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All right. So we will call the meeting of the select board to order on Wednesday,

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September 23rd. I'd like you to know that this meeting is being recorded.

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We have three members present, with Ms. Noonan and Mr. Greater absent tonight.

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Open up with public comment.

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Going online?

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No.

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All right. Beautiful. Patrick, move on. Time for his update.

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Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The one update I have for you tonight is an update

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on the Coffee School FB.

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Okay.

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We conducted a site walk yesterday for potential bidders.

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It was handled by Allison Jenkins, our chief procurement officer, Chief Jason

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Gilliland, who had the keys to the building-

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Mm-hmm

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... so folks could get in there, and Jacinta Williams, our town planner,

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participating in the walkthrough.

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There was a total of 10 potential bidders,

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folks looking at it. And so basically, the purpose is to walk through the building

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for them to get eyes on, take a look at it, at the site,

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ask questions about the site, look at the existing conditions, so that they can

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have all the information they need to put in very responsive and well-informed

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proposals. So it's in our interest that they have as much information as possible

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for the proposal.

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So we are somewhat encouraged based on the level of participation.

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The

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deadline is October 19th. So, this gives

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these potential bidders enough time to assess the information, build it in their

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proposals, and submit for the October 19th deadline.

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Excellent. Well, thank you for that. Any questions?

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All right. We're moving along here.

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Next up, we have Roe from Veterans Agent to discuss our POW chair.

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Thank you.

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Yep. Oh, sorry. And you've got a sidekick as well.

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I do.

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Appreciate that secret snuffing club sergeant for captain.

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Roe, you're our captain.

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So I did between-

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Danny Driver. Yes. Good evening.

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So I am come to you before to present the POW MIA chair dedicated to those who

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never made it home. To date, there are over 83,000 military members, both men and

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women, who have not made it back. Either missing in action or former POWs.

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And over 30, 130 cities and towns across the Commonwealth has a chair similar to...

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Well, not anything like this chair because this is an old chair.

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This fits into decor, and it's a chair of honor.

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No one is supposed to sit in it, hence the stanchions and the flags, and I have a

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plaque, so I will unveil that with the commander.

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And, I got one of the first ones when I was in Winter Gas, the VSO, and Speaker Leo

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had paid for the whole thing.

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Mm.

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And back then it was Rolling Thunder who was doing it.

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So it's just a chair of honor to recognize those who have not made it home, who've

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made the ultimate sacrifice. So if I may open the chair and show it to you?

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Any idea through the chair where it came from or?

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Oh, Chief Jason.

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Oh, Chief Jason. I think it was the Masonic Lodge. Oh, cool.

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It's over 200 years old.

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Oh, great.

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And it was one of the only ones that wasn't damaged, and then I restored it in my

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side office there and refinished it all, and I think it came out pretty good.

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The VFW donated the stanchions and the flags, and we paid for the plaque, and the

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chair, again, was donated, so it didn't really cost much at all.

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I thought it was supposed to go in the chamber.

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Multiple.

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Right.

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Multiple. Beeswax and-

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It's kind of lonely.

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It's that.

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That's why you're here, Chief? You're doing fire watch?

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Sorry. He took it down from the fifth floor of the Mason Hall.

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I want to see pictures.

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And when he took me up to the Mason Hall, I'm like, "How are we getting up here?"

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So I had to find my two flagestias after going up to the elevator to the third

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floor. And then we came for it, and Bruce helped me with setting it all

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up. So it's a team effort. Willisia helped me, and so it's truly been a group

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effort in putting this together.

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Well, thank you to the team. This is overdue, and I'm glad that you've brought this

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Last time I came here and I asked Thatcher about it and he's like, "No." I'm like,

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"This is one of the oldest town halls in the Commonwealth.

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Why don't we have that?"

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Well, now we're about to.

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Well, I'm going to show it to you.

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Great.

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Excellent.

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Commander?

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And if you would read the plaque, Mayor?

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You got my glasses? You should wear them.

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Let this empty chair serve as a memorial to those who served in our military of

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our great nation, but have not returned home to us.

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They are prisoners of war or missing in action.

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The Army will forever be grateful for your bravery and sacrifice and service to our

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nation. We will never forget. God bless all of us. God bless America.

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Dedicated by the town of Marblehead, Marblehead Veteran Services, and Marblehead

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VFW Post 2000.

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So with your vote, Mr. Chair, do you think it stays on right here or it goes back

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in the hall?

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I understand this might not be a huge celebration, but we will follow our

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formalities for sure.

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Okay, Roe, you got anything else? She wants to be there just in case you have

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paradox. Jason, can you get over and be ready just in case you have paradox?

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Great up in this honor. Yeah, no, I'm not supposed to. Exactly.

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If I could have a motion to accept the placement of the chair and coordinate

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placement of the chair in Abbott Hall with the town administrator.

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Second.

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All in favor?

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All right. Congratulations. Thank you.

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Real, real quick, I just wanted to add on, I wanted to thank everybody for taking

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part in the Company of Heroes road race, walk, everything else.

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Rumor has it that Moses is still out walking the route, so

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we will see about that. I also want to thank Rosanna for her coming to the race and

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everything else. First year we did this, with Kate Van Auken, we had 17 people

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that did it. Second year it was 67.

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Latest race was 123. Great. We raised over $7,000 for Company to Heroes,

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which provides PTSD dogs to veterans.

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I just want to thank the town, all the selectmen, Marblehead police, fire,

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everything else, for allowing us to do this.

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I know it's never easy running through town on a Saturday.

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But I want to thank everybody for their help.

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Bigger and better next year, so looking forward to it.

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If I don't get to talk to you again, we've got a big event coming up in November

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for the New England Center for Homeless Veterans.

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But also too, please make sure that you're available for Army Navy, things like

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that. Roe and I will be duking it out downstairs in the bunker because she's former

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Army and we're Air Force. But thank you very much. Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you all again. Remember, Jimmy Full always wins. I know he always do.

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You never lose. You never lose. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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So pleased to. Thank you. We can't wait to-

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So, Mr. Donald, we thought this would be best to fill the void in here, not that

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you have the author online, but basically a portrait.

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Well, we appreciate that. Absolutely.

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And yeah, well, Patrick and Mark, we'll love to have your input as well, since you

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guys were instrumental.

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And it's a full dedication on Veterans Day.

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Great.

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That's wonderful. Amazing.

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Great.

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No problem.

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Look forward to it. Great.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Have a great night. Thank you. All right.

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Next up we have Historical Commission. Pam Peterson, if you want to come on up?

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Donation to the town of some portraits. Pam. Good evening.

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Evening.

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Peter just wanted to, we've got the letter from Sharon Heim-

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... about donating. I just wanted to give us a little history.

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I know you and I were discussing before.

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So this is a donation that we just received over the summer, the end of the summer,

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from a woman who is sort of

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tidying up her affairs, and she has these four portraits from her family.

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And it's fascinating because the four women are

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related by birth or by marriage. And

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they're all from 19th century Marblehead, and none of them are-

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... famous women, but

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several of them were wives of ship captains, several others were involved in

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maritime trade, and they all lived in Marblehead all their lives.

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last year, we actually had a couple of people who commented that there are no

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portraits in Abbott Hall of any women, which is true.

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And that is because we don't have any portrait.

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We didn't until now have any portraits of any women from Marblehead.

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So having this essentially come out of the blue is really wonderful.

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So we would like to install them here in the Select Board room,

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and somewhere on this wall.

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One thing, the

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image of Judge Story, who was certainly an important Marbleheader, but that's a

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photograph. It's not a painting. And it's very badly faded.

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And so we would remove that, slightly rearrange things, and put the four

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paintings on this wall, so that they receive some prominence.

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And then Judge Story will come back once we've gotten a new photographic image.

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I was just saying to Dan, I believe the original is at the State House in Boston,

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the original of that painting.

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But we can get a color reproduction of it to put in either that frame or

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potentially a smaller one, or however we do it.

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Obviously, we're going to have to do some rearranging in this room, in general, to

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the chair might go. So, anyway, that will be part of our

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So anyway, but this is a great opportunity to

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introduce some women into Abbott Hall and also into this room.

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And so we were very pleased to receive it, and we wanted to inform you of it.

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Great. Okay. So Story's coming back, that's-

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He will come back, yeah. I just don't know

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if we can get a good copy of that image, it will be that one, or there may be

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another portrait of him somewhere that we don't-

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There is one in my office.

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Of this one?

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It's not the same. It's a different portrait of Justice Story.

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So maybe we can just swap it out?

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We could put this one. It's fading in the room.

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Yes. Well, this one really has-

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The one thing-

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Fading away.

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The one thing I did notice, although it's photographic, it was donated, and then

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redone through slate. So I think there's some sensitivity to that.

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So I would say if you can get the same-

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... image.

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That is the intent, because it would be the same image and go back into the same

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frame, so it would have the same plaque on it and everything.

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I know there's a book, "The Women of Marblehead."

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Mm-hmm.

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And by chance, these women probably are not in that book.

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I don't believe they are.

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But that would've been really cool-

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... if they were.

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Right. The women of Marblehead's an interesting mix of women that are in there, but

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again, they are often not necessarily famous women.

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That's right, yeah. Not famous.

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But people who certainly lived. So is it very characteristic of lives that they

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lived in the time period that they were-

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I think that's great that they have come about.

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Yeah. Great. Nice little nod to some women in history.

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It is, yes.

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For sure.

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So very serendipitous that that just happened.

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Great. All right.

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Thank you for coming tonight. I appreciate you spending all that time.

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And Dan, as I was mentioning, I think you should go to the State House and tell

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them we want the original.

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I volunteer.

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Sure.

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So if I get a motion to accept as a gift to the town, four family portraits from

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Sharonheim, and put in the care and custody of the Historical Commission.

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Installation of portraits shall be coordinated with Town Administrator and

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Historical Commission.

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So moved.

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Second.

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All in favor? Thank you, Pam.

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Thank you.

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Have a good night.

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You, too.

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Next up, AMQ from the head of DPW to talk about ride, road,

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and sidewalk improvements. In particular,

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their implementation of Article 11.

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And Maggie, good evening.

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Good

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evening.

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Maybe your portraits will be up next one assumption.

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It's amazing to think of this one.

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I know. It's one second.

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That's okay.

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And I saw the letter from her like, "There's not a woman in it." Yeah. It's great.

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So the floor is yours.

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Okay. So good evening, and thank you for having me. I'm Maggie.

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Tonight, I'm excited to walk you through how transforming Marblehead's streets and

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sidewalks into safer and more accessible, more connected networks than ever before.

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We're going to look at how a street moves from assessment to construction, how

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Article 11 has allowed us to elevate our standards, and the results your support

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have made possible. We also will be previewing what's coming next, including new

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tools for communication and public access.

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This work is more coordinated, more strategic, and more community-centered than

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ever, and I'm thrilled to share our progress.

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Our goal is simple: fix the right streets at the right time, once.

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To make this happen, DPW blends pavement conditions, safety needs, accessibility

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requirements, and utility coordination, so we're not just resurfacing old roads.

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We're building long-lasting, integrated public ways.

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This is how we achieve total street projects, by combining engineering data with

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real-world coordination. It's smarter, it's more efficient, and it protects the

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taxpayer's investment.

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Every decision is grounded in real data and formal planning documents, pavement

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assessments, sidewalk network analysis, ADA compliance planning, bicycle facility

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work, and resident input. There aren't isolated plans.

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Together, they create a full picture of condition, mobility, safety, accessibility,

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and demand, guiding us toward designs that match each street's needs.

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The result is predictable, clear, data-driven project selection.

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Here's the heart of our approach. Condition, utility review, scope development,

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funding path, and prioritization.

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The workflow helps prevent streets from being repaved before planned utility work

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occurs. It incorporates ADA upgrades into the initial project planning process, and

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it promotes early coordination of funding.

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Most importantly, it ensures that each project is completed appropriately the first

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time, maximizing the long-term value.

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Tonight, I would like to show you this in practice.

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When streets are in decent shape, we seize the opportunity to improve sidewalks,

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ramps, and connectivity.

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These projects are fast-moving because the utilities do not require planned

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improvements and design needs are minimal.

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Examples like West Shore Drive, Lafayette Street, and Tedesco Street show how we

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enhance safety and accessibility even when the pavement doesn't need full

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reconstruction. This is how we elevate our network without waiting for pavement

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failure.

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Streets with poor pavement condition and completed utility upgrades are ready to

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go. These projects move through the workflow faster because utilities do

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not require planned improvements and design needs are minimal.

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These become prime candidates for the total street treatment, appropriate road

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rehabilitation, sidewalk ADA, and network improvements.

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Streets such as Elm Street, Commercial Street, and State Street demonstrate how

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quickly a location can move

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through the workflow once utility conditions have been confirmed.

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Some streets require comprehensive total street treatment.

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Utility upgrades incorporated into the improvement plans.

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Rather than paving a street, then excavating it later, we coordinate with the

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utility providers to ensure that water and gas, for example, and other

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infrastructure projects are completed first.

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As utility work progresses, the Department of Public Works develops the scope for

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corresponding public way improvements.

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Streets such as West, Mystic, Florence, and Bouvier demonstrate how effective

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coordination can accelerate utility projects and advance the roadway improvements.

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Before Article 11, most of our work relied on Chapter 90, limited state funding,

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allowing only basic resurfacing and minimal sidewalk upgrades.

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Article 11 transformed our capabilities, supporting full holistic total street

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projects that combine roadway structure, sidewalks, ADA, utilities, and

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connectivity.

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This map is an example of tracking maps we plan to make available on the town

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website.

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Article 11 authorized $12.475 million,

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and your support has turned the investment into over six miles of full total street

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projects, plus minor rehabilitation and major ADA and sidewalk advancements.

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We've expended $4.17 million, committed $1.82 million, and

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have $6.48 million remaining. The funding is delivering real, visible results

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across Marblehead.

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What's next follows the same proven workflow. A few highlights.

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Pleasant Street road diet, turning the corridor with the crash history, including

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two fatalities, into a safer redesigned road.

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We put in a grant application for $1 million.

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The total cost is approximately $3.5 million, which will be supported by Article 11

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money.

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Curtis, Roosevelt, and Maverick, approximately $1 million are slotted for public

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way improvements. Utilities are done and it is ready for the total street redesign.

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$1 million has been put towards sidewalk upgrades town wide, and $800,000

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for minor road rehabilitation, which is for sections of Pleasant Street, Humphrey

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Street, and Evans Road. While all this is going on, we've coordinated with

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utilities, so Laurel Street, Doane Street, Washington Street, Front Street, Gregory

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Street, and the Prospect Street area have utility projects that are underway now.

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We're moving from reactive repairs to long-term infrastructure planning.

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This year, we expanded public communication significantly.

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Residents now get regular Marblehead TD updates, we have an updated town meeting,

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and website updates. We have monthly traffic safety advisory committee briefings,

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and every two to three weeks prior to a project, you would get advance notice.

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Weekly website updates, Zoom meeting, Zoom neighborhood meetings before

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construction, and 24-hour paving door tags.

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Communication is faster, clearer, and more consistent, but we still need to keep

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improving.

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So what's next? We're launching several major communication tools.

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Marblehead Alerts is already up and running and will be used for additional

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notification for the next roadway project. That is launched now.

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We have an FAQ page, which is centralizing project status, funding sources, and

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workflow explanations. That's expected to launch by October 2026.

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We're working on our foundational GIS map. So that's your GIS base map.

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We're developing the foundation GIS base map to support a public-facing project

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information map. That's expected to launch internally summer

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2027. Then we'll be building an interactive public map.

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Past, current, and future capital projects will all be visible online.

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There'll be a map on the town website of past, current, and future projects, and

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then also your public way improvements.

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That's expected to launch, and that we'll be playing with for quite a while to make

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sure that it's interactive and what people want to see.

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So that will be summer of 2029. This effort represents the DPW's commitment to

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significantly improving transparency and residents' access to information.

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Thank you for your continued support of the Total Street projects and the care

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you've shown to Marblehead's infrastructure.

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Together, we are modernizing and improving safety, expanding accessibility, and

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building a system the community can rely on.

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I'm happy to take any questions on the project selection, timelines, utility

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coordination, funding, communications, or whatever else you might have.

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So Amy, can we go back to where you talked about kind of what's next?

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Sure.

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I think that's on everybody's mind in terms of what the plan is, at least right

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now.

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Yeah. So, the only thing that we're highlighting tonight or showing you is the

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capital improvement plans, right? So there's still maintenance going on.

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You would still see Chapter 90 money that will be put towards designs,

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or is actually right now going towards designs.

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And, we still have design work that's happening with the Article 11 money.

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But I think the biggest project that we have, and the most important, is what we

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consider the Pleasant Street corridor.

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MBTA has already put funds towards a design and the construction of

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the intersection at Smith, improvements for the intersection at Smith, Baldwin, and

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Pleasant. So that's one anchor on one end.

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And then that is the area that we had the two fatalities.

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So we currently have Apex redesigning what they call a road diet.

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It's trying to slow everyone down, so that will narrow the road.

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That is one of the larger roads in Marblehead, so we have the ability to put in now

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bike plans, and all the plans converge right here and actually work.

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So you're going to see everything that people have proposed that should be done to

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make things better, you'll be able to see it in this section.

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So we'll have a shared use sidewalk on one side, a different sidewalk, a plain

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sidewalk on the other side. You'll be down to two lanes, so you won't have multiple

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lanes converging into a smaller amount.

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There's space for a bus to still pull over.

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And that will go from Devereux Street to

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Smith. Now, even with the money, the upgrades, we'll also be doing the lights.

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Even with the upgrades that MBTA is going to be funding for the town, we still are

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looking at a project of $3.5 million.

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Unless we get this.

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Unless we get that, right. So if we do get the $1 million grant, it will be $2.5

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million for Marblehead to-

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So following up on, because this is such a big project and so important, right?

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And so I think you said that there's about $6 million in change remaining of

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Article 11, right? So this project is about half of it.

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Yes.

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And so what's the thought with the other half? Or not?

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So the roads that DPW has put forward, and everybody's

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taking write down because they really are roads that need to be upgraded, is

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Curtis, Roosevelt, and Maverick. So they now had poor road ratings to start with.

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And then they needed a lot of utility upgrades.

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So water went down, gas went down, then water went down.

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And if you go down that, that brought the road rating way down, because now you

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have two large trenches on opposite sides of the street.

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They're also digging in a street that isn't very thick anymore, right?

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So as soon as they start to dig, it starts to crumble, so the trenches look even

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worse. Trying to patch them makes it very difficult because the road just kind of

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disappears as you cut it. So, those are part of that project.

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Those are estimated $1 million. Those right now are in deep discussion with our

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consultant about what we do with the public way. How much sidewalk do we install?

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Those are dead-end roads. But they all do have somewhere that you want to be

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connected to. So, it might be coming off the main road that you need some sidewalks

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that get you further down. And then we are discussing

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neighborhood greenways or safe streets, which would be some kind of sign and some

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kind of slowing traffic down and letting people know that you're sharing the street

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with a bike or a vulnerable user or walker.

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Maverick Street, we're looking at, there are sidewalks.

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So where there are sidewalks or holes of sidewalks, that would be continuing to

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where the sidewalk goes, is where we are right now.

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Granted, this is all in discussion right now.

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And these roads are really difficult because they have a lot of parking, they have

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a lot of trees, they have intermittent sidewalks, and they're pretty much dead ends

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that don't go anywhere. So we have to take that balance into account, how we're

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going to do that piece.

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You mean balancing because it's a dead end and it's not necessarily a priority as

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far as traffic and safety, but then obviously they're in poor condition.

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Right.

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So as you go through that grid

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When you get to the sidewalk assessment and advancement, that's where we start to

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question. And of course,

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we have a longstanding thing of not taking trees down here.

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So trees are difficult because they push your sidewalk further in to the street.

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Then all of a sudden, parking has to be removed because you don't have enough space

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for parking and a tree, and the sidewalk. So, we're working our way through that.

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Maverick Street is, we're planning on sidewalk right to the rail trail, right?

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That's an access point, that's a connectivity point.

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Very similar to Bouvier Road, which has a path that goes somewhere.

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So that will definitely be sidewalks on both sides, I think.

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At least on both sides, we're planning there.

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And then we're talking with what we do beyond there, because now you're a dead-end

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street, it's quiet.

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So, that will be where that goes.

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So there's another million. Then, right now, I've proposed that we hold a million

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for our sidewalk upgrade. So, we put in two years ago for a grant

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for, it might be one year ago, for

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ADA ramps down Tedesco and Humphrey Street. That's why you didn't see us do those.

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We did Washburn Drive first, hoping we were going to get that money.

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We were denied that grant or not awarded that grant, so that will be the next place

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we look. We're going to look around target school areas and then Humphrey and

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Tedesco to get those ramps in.

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So,

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that's kind of your slush bucket too.

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You can do ramps, you can do five ramps, you can do a whole bunch of ramps.

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So as your funding starts to get restricted, that would be a spot that you would

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have to wait and put those onto the future projects.

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And then the next one is, we're looking at $800,000 for roads that

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are major throughways but do need some kind of utility upgrade.

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But the utility plans do not have that work happening in the next three, five

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years. These roads

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do have a lower road rating and need some type of it, so we're looking at minor

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rehabilitation on those roads. And that's basically what Marblehead had done all

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the time in the past, right? So we're just going to mill and overlay those roads,

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or maybe just overlay, depending on which road it is.

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Which ones would be examples of that?

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So we're looking at sections of Pleasant Street, which are Pleasant Street from

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Devereux Terrace, because mind you, the first part's getting a full total streets.

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So we're going to go from Devereux Terrace to Prospect, because Vine and Village

477
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:10,620
was done with the TIP program when they redid that.

478
00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:16,410
During a drain project, you got the next section of Pleasant Street paved to

479
00:30:17,071 --> 00:30:22,770
Spring. So then we'll jump over and do Spring to Watson, and then you've had Watson

480
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:26,071
to Washington paved recently. So, we'll stop there.

481
00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:29,280
So those are the sections of Pleasant, and then we're going to look at Humphrey

482
00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:30,840
from Maple to

483
00:30:32,700 --> 00:30:35,670
Tenth Corner or to the high school. So that would be paved.

484
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,420
And then if anyone drives down Evans Road, Evans Road is one of those that they

485
00:30:39,449 --> 00:30:40,861
consider just unraveling.

486
00:30:42,361 --> 00:30:46,861
That will need design work if you were going to do a total street project.

487
00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:50,370
It does need water upgrade, it does need gas upgrade.

488
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:54,361
So, that one, just keep the road together until those times come.

489
00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:56,250
That is just a straight overlay.

490
00:30:57,601 --> 00:31:01,321
It might be a mill and overlay, so we can make all of the grades at the different

491
00:31:01,380 --> 00:31:02,310
sidewalks though.

492
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,750
Is Washington on any of those?

493
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,790
So Washington is, if you go back to the workflow, Washington is stuck in the

494
00:31:08,851 --> 00:31:13,351
utility upgrades right now. So the gas company has committed to doing the utility

495
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,000
upgrades, and I

496
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,650
can't thank them enough for being great partners with Marblehead.

497
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,720
We didn't have a lot of gas work done previously. It was all just kind of patching.

498
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,150
Now that we have put our pavement management plan forward, they've been really good

499
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:31,801
partners in trying to get ahead of us.

500
00:31:32,370 --> 00:31:37,560
So Washington Street, you saw them do some upgrades right here, from Five Corners

501
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:39,510
to here. I don't know how much they did there.

502
00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:42,930
But they did go down to Rockaway Street.

503
00:31:42,991 --> 00:31:46,470
Now they're picking up at Rockaway Street and going all the way to Orange Street.

504
00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:52,530
Okay. So you're holding off on that because you're in that chart, you're in the

505
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:57,120
utility replacement, so then once that's done, that could become more of a

506
00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:57,630
priority.

507
00:31:58,140 --> 00:32:03,601
Yes, exactly. As I said, while the utility replacement is working, we're also

508
00:32:03,630 --> 00:32:07,230
looking at the design, because that's not what Maggie likes to call a book job,

509
00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:11,010
right? We have to look at the materials that sidewalks are already, because a lot

510
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,120
of them are not really conducive to accessibility.

511
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,370
We have to look at telephone poles, because they're actually in the middle of where

512
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,071
we need to put ramps to get across the town hall.

513
00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:29,821
We're also looking at some narrowing and what we can get in without losing parking.

514
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:34,200
It also is part of, you've already invested in the Five Corners design, right?

515
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:37,801
So, we don't want to do anything beyond Five Corners design.

516
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:38,880
We still have that design-

517
00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:41,280
Where does the Five Corners design fit in all this?

518
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:45,660
So the Five Corners design, while utilities are working, the Five Corners design is

519
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,340
part of the design. So they're working on that piece of design, and then once that

520
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:54,060
is settled, we'll move them up the street, the designers up the street to make sure

521
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,440
that we can get it-

522
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:58,230
So here's a question, and this will be my last one.

523
00:32:58,290 --> 00:32:59,580
I'm sure they all have questions too.

524
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:06,540
So what happens when the utilities are ready for that, for Five Corners, and then

525
00:33:06,601 --> 00:33:09,060
your design's done, right? Because you're working that parallel, but then you get

526
00:33:09,090 --> 00:33:10,560
to the point and you don't have the money.

527
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:11,430
Right.

528
00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:14,760
Like because there's other projects that are ready, right?

529
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,241
Yep.

530
00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:18,150
So that 6 million seems it's going to go pretty quick.

531
00:33:18,361 --> 00:33:18,540
Yep.

532
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,330
And so the timing, so then what happens to that?

533
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:24,991
It waits until-- You can't borrow Chapter 90 money.

534
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,060
No, we can use Chapter 90 money for that, right? Chapter 90 money is limited.

535
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:35,130
It's generally around 400,000. This year, we got 600,000 without a gas tax.

536
00:33:35,220 --> 00:33:38,250
That's how it comes. We could go back to 200,000 one year.

537
00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:42,150
So it's not something you can count on, but it is something that you gather your

538
00:33:42,210 --> 00:33:45,601
Chapter 90 money, you wait to pave everywhere else, and you say, "We're going to

539
00:33:45,660 --> 00:33:50,880
pave Washington Street." Or you do just a sidewalk.

540
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:54,900
Pieces of the sidewalk, not the whole sidewalk.

541
00:33:56,190 --> 00:33:59,520
So those will be difficult decisions for Marblehead to make.

542
00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:05,071
Now, when they voted in 2022, the idea was that this was going to happen every five

543
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:10,530
years. You were going to fund your streets for the next 20, 30 years at that rate.

544
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:17,101
So every five years, you were going to give 12 or seven five to the

545
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,920
town to continue with that. And if you go back to that presentation, you'll see

546
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:27,571
they have a whole bunch of graphs of where you're trying to be, and that basically

547
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:30,420
that 3.1 million a year, roughly,

548
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,700
which part of that's your Chapter 90 money too, it's supposed to maintain where you

549
00:34:35,821 --> 00:34:40,020
are and give you a slight increase of where your roads are.

550
00:34:41,130 --> 00:34:45,060
Marblehead's a little difficult, though, because they just looked at roads, they

551
00:34:45,091 --> 00:34:51,000
didn't look at utilities, and utilities have been, gas utilities, and water

552
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:55,591
was slow for a while. Water's been cranking out work for a lot of years right now.

553
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:58,440
The drainage project was huge, but

554
00:34:59,670 --> 00:35:05,370
they are hard to say that if you only spend 3.1 million you're going to see huge

555
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:09,510
raises in where your conditions assessments are.

556
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:10,050
But

557
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,200
they definitely, cast iron gas from the early 1900s, and I'm glad to see it

558
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:17,070
replaced right now.

559
00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:20,610
Terry, you had a question?

560
00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:25,890
Yeah. So, as a matter of fact, I was heading out of town about 6:00 a.m.

561
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:31,950
this morning, up on Pleasant Street, approaching Baldwin and Smith, and

562
00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:37,050
all of a sudden, the light change coming inbound, and the usual jockeying for the

563
00:35:37,140 --> 00:35:41,880
lane, two cars hit each other. The big huge pickup truck came into my lane.

564
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:48,270
I just missed it, but that is just a horrible place, and the sooner we can get

565
00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:50,130
that done, the better. And that was just-

566
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:51,060
Yeah

567
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:54,750
... to me, we call the fire chief, but they didn't want to walk and stuff.

568
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:57,721
But anyhow, no, it's very good.

569
00:35:58,110 --> 00:36:01,110
Personally committed to making that section safe.

570
00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:03,601
This morning, this happened to happen.

571
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,221
On 6:00 o'clock, this

572
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:11,221
just ended up. But anyhow, the question I have is timing of all this stuff.

573
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:12,570
We heard about a lot of

574
00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:19,620
streets, and the question I always get, and the question I have is, when is this

575
00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:23,460
going to happen next year, the year after?

576
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,520
A good example, we always hear about Washington Street here.

577
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:27,960
Understand there's utility work.

578
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:29,310
But does that mean,

579
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,290
I try to respond to people, and you always say, "There's utility work, there's

580
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,680
this." And they say, "When? When is it going to be done?" And I don't have a good

581
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,005
answer. So do we have- That I know there's a lot of moving parts, but when is

582
00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:47,835
Washington Street kind of done? When is Pleasant? What are the jobs for next year?

583
00:36:50,385 --> 00:36:53,265
That is, I think, what people are asking for.

584
00:36:54,735 --> 00:36:56,295
Do we have that or can we-

585
00:36:57,465 --> 00:37:01,785
So we don't have a five-year plan is what people want to see, right?

586
00:37:02,355 --> 00:37:02,476
Well-

587
00:37:02,535 --> 00:37:04,695
Water and sewer, you can kind of do a five-year plan.

588
00:37:04,905 --> 00:37:05,565
No, I don't think-

589
00:37:05,655 --> 00:37:07,035
When you get to the roads

590
00:37:07,305 --> 00:37:09,315
... I think people want to see a couple of things.

591
00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:14,175
One is what's going to happen in the next year or two, and then there's specific

592
00:37:14,205 --> 00:37:19,425
hotspots. We hear about Washington and Pleasant, when those are going to be done.

593
00:37:19,515 --> 00:37:21,795
I don't think there is as much concern about

594
00:37:23,205 --> 00:37:26,895
five-year, unless it happens to be Washington or Pleasant or one of those.

595
00:37:26,955 --> 00:37:30,885
Which Washington, for all I know, the utility work might take five years, but I

596
00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:36,705
don't know that. That's really what I'm, in this design work and all that, and I

597
00:37:36,765 --> 00:37:37,065
think

598
00:37:39,015 --> 00:37:42,045
people will feel better if they see that timeline.

599
00:37:42,135 --> 00:37:46,366
And we know what we learned from Bouvier Road on the other end.

600
00:37:46,905 --> 00:37:50,775
People want to know what's actually going to happen this spring, and that's a

601
00:37:50,805 --> 00:37:56,205
real-- So I think there's two things going on there, and I think that was the

602
00:37:56,235 --> 00:37:59,805
lesson from Bouvier, is people didn't realize what was coming.

603
00:38:01,726 --> 00:38:03,465
And I would say it was me on-

604
00:38:03,555 --> 00:38:03,945
So-

605
00:38:04,035 --> 00:38:04,665
Yeah, so

606
00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:07,605
... that I think is a communication issue.

607
00:38:07,726 --> 00:38:08,866
Okay. But yeah.

608
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:14,775
I think that when we started this, the town meeting we started talking about and we

609
00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:17,624
came to the select board and talked about roadways 101.

610
00:38:18,044 --> 00:38:18,195
Yeah.

611
00:38:18,915 --> 00:38:23,175
That was really to understand, and if you call DPW and they say, "When is my road

612
00:38:23,205 --> 00:38:27,645
going to be paved?" Well, gas is there this year, so next year's water.

613
00:38:27,705 --> 00:38:30,645
You're looking at three to four years before you get your road paved.

614
00:38:31,335 --> 00:38:35,505
That was said to Bouvier, West, Maverick.

615
00:38:35,565 --> 00:38:39,765
And after the first, everybody's pretty okay when gas goes down.

616
00:38:40,125 --> 00:38:42,465
When water goes down, they start to get really frustrated.

617
00:38:42,855 --> 00:38:46,366
And then by waiting, which you have to wait for the freeze-thaw and to make sure

618
00:38:46,395 --> 00:38:51,825
all your trenches are correct, that time period is when people don't want to see

619
00:38:51,855 --> 00:38:52,425
you anymore.

620
00:38:53,715 --> 00:38:56,055
Right in the middle of the water project, people are pretty done seeing

621
00:38:56,116 --> 00:38:59,866
construction. Prospect Street is right there, right now. Right?

622
00:39:00,435 --> 00:39:05,745
Prospect's not on my list for the Article 11 money because it didn't make it to the

623
00:39:05,805 --> 00:39:11,565
flow yet for the funding, so that will be, maybe we'll have to go back in front of

624
00:39:11,596 --> 00:39:14,025
town meeting and say, "This is what five years has done.

625
00:39:14,085 --> 00:39:14,925
This is how you see it."

626
00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:19,005
So I understand that, but what we know is going to be done, whatever it is-

627
00:39:19,305 --> 00:39:22,726
So what I just told you is what will be done in the next three years, two to three

628
00:39:22,726 --> 00:39:22,726
years.

629
00:39:22,755 --> 00:39:26,445
But what is going to be done in 2027, in 2028?

630
00:39:26,505 --> 00:39:26,985
That's-

631
00:39:27,645 --> 00:39:31,665
So I don't want to jump to 2020. Oh, so the other thing we've done also is-

632
00:39:31,755 --> 00:39:32,145
Well, just 2020

633
00:39:32,175 --> 00:39:36,585
... there's a working group. We're all talking about how designs work, how things

634
00:39:36,645 --> 00:39:42,045
happen. Every job we've been to, we've learned something, and it's created a

635
00:39:43,335 --> 00:39:49,275
pause for the next one to make sure that we don't make those same, they're not

636
00:39:49,335 --> 00:39:53,025
wrong, but same decisions that people are upset about.

637
00:39:53,535 --> 00:39:58,215
That's why Maverick Street and Roosevelt and Curtis are with consultants now.

638
00:39:58,455 --> 00:39:59,715
Right? They could've been book jobs.

639
00:40:00,045 --> 00:40:01,125
Would've been very simple, but-

640
00:40:01,846 --> 00:40:04,366
So when you say consultants, you mean full design so that-

641
00:40:04,425 --> 00:40:04,695
Yeah

642
00:40:04,695 --> 00:40:05,895
... people who are making sure-

643
00:40:06,226 --> 00:40:10,125
So consultant-wise would be, we'll have a surveyor come in and mark things.

644
00:40:10,665 --> 00:40:10,695
Okay.

645
00:40:10,755 --> 00:40:12,945
That's going to take funding that isn't private.

646
00:40:13,605 --> 00:40:17,085
I understand. What street's going to be done next year? Do we know that?

647
00:40:17,625 --> 00:40:19,935
So in the next two to three years.

648
00:40:20,085 --> 00:40:20,655
No, next year.

649
00:40:20,655 --> 00:40:25,305
Next year. So this fall, I hope to see, of course, you're at the end of the season

650
00:40:25,366 --> 00:40:25,755
now, right?

651
00:40:25,815 --> 00:40:25,935
Yeah.

652
00:40:26,355 --> 00:40:31,245
So we have requested, we've given him a big list because we still have a contract

653
00:40:31,305 --> 00:40:32,145
until June 30th.

654
00:40:32,205 --> 00:40:32,596
DNR?

655
00:40:32,866 --> 00:40:36,346
DNR. Right. So he's got sections of Pleasant Street.

656
00:40:36,855 --> 00:40:40,366
He's got Humphrey Street, section that I read from Maple to-

657
00:40:41,805 --> 00:40:45,616
See, that would be very helpful because I hear a lot of complaints about those two

658
00:40:45,705 --> 00:40:46,185
sections.

659
00:40:46,395 --> 00:40:46,395
Yep.

660
00:40:46,425 --> 00:40:47,325
But keep going.

661
00:40:47,866 --> 00:40:50,895
So these are what we've put forward to him right now.

662
00:40:51,135 --> 00:40:51,346
Okay.

663
00:40:51,405 --> 00:40:55,425
This is what we want to have done. We have time constraints and other people

664
00:40:55,455 --> 00:40:56,685
constraints, but whether he gets it-

665
00:40:56,685 --> 00:40:56,715
But if DNR-

666
00:40:56,775 --> 00:40:57,616
But those are on there

667
00:40:57,795 --> 00:41:01,305
... if DNR came back and said, "I can't do it till next April," that's-

668
00:41:01,515 --> 00:41:03,195
And Evans Road is on his list.

669
00:41:03,495 --> 00:41:05,955
Okay. I have a separate question about Evans Road.

670
00:41:06,045 --> 00:41:07,545
Okay. Well, Evans Road is on his list.

671
00:41:07,995 --> 00:41:09,616
So if he doesn't get it done this fall,

672
00:41:11,565 --> 00:41:13,665
we'll be out the gates in the spring with those three.

673
00:41:13,726 --> 00:41:17,715
Okay. And I heard about Roosevelt, Curtis, and Maverick are those-

674
00:41:18,285 --> 00:41:21,165
Those I hope to follow right after.

675
00:41:21,795 --> 00:41:22,425
Okay. That's-

676
00:41:22,515 --> 00:41:24,165
In the spring. Those aren't going to be done this year

677
00:41:24,285 --> 00:41:25,155
... knowing-

678
00:41:25,366 --> 00:41:25,846
But in the spring

679
00:41:25,846 --> 00:41:29,415
... the short-term interest people have, I think it would be helpful to have that

680
00:41:29,476 --> 00:41:32,535
somewhere that we plan on doing these in the next 12 months.

681
00:41:32,805 --> 00:41:34,035
I realize there's a lot of,

682
00:41:35,685 --> 00:41:39,495
Pleasant Street is going to take a lot of work in certain sections, but certain

683
00:41:39,555 --> 00:41:44,775
sections will be improved. And Washington Street is hot button, but

684
00:41:44,835 --> 00:41:49,905
if people can understand that it's-- If I could tell someone, people say to me,

685
00:41:49,995 --> 00:41:55,035
"You work at the hall, and the street is horrible." And if I say, "Well, it's going

686
00:41:55,035 --> 00:41:56,775
to be like that for three years because of

687
00:41:58,455 --> 00:42:02,415
design work," that's fine. So, just getting that-

688
00:42:02,505 --> 00:42:05,775
And what might happen, that town administrator at the end of the third year might

689
00:42:05,835 --> 00:42:10,335
say, "Take the Chapter 90 money and Mellon overlay, this section of Washington

690
00:42:10,395 --> 00:42:10,605
Street."

691
00:42:10,665 --> 00:42:10,785
Okay.

692
00:42:10,785 --> 00:42:12,375
"But we won't do the sidewalks until later."

693
00:42:13,065 --> 00:42:13,366
That's-

694
00:42:13,425 --> 00:42:14,866
That's where it could end up

695
00:42:14,866 --> 00:42:19,815
... that's fine. So I think my interest, after hearing all this, is what is the

696
00:42:19,905 --> 00:42:25,726
next 12 months? And, as you know, over in my neighborhood, we did a private road.

697
00:42:25,995 --> 00:42:28,425
It takes about two years to do it, to figure it out.

698
00:42:29,025 --> 00:42:29,235
And-

699
00:42:30,075 --> 00:42:32,535
And you didn't do your water, so you didn't upgrade the utilities.

700
00:42:32,866 --> 00:42:38,685
No, but that, sure. Two years, and we actually had Eric come out.

701
00:42:38,775 --> 00:42:40,935
I think you sent Eric out to do a flow test because-

702
00:42:41,025 --> 00:42:43,005
Yeah. No, by understanding that he is-

703
00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:47,476
We rubbed our hands. Are we going to get the eight-inch pipe or the six-inch pipe?

704
00:42:47,955 --> 00:42:51,285
And I talked to, God love him, Kyle Siegel, and he said, "No way.

705
00:42:51,375 --> 00:42:53,835
You're not getting nothing." But believe me.

706
00:42:53,866 --> 00:42:54,346
But anyhow,

707
00:42:55,815 --> 00:42:56,205
so the-

708
00:42:56,295 --> 00:42:59,745
The water and sewer does run with it, by their depth, because they only dig things

709
00:42:59,805 --> 00:43:00,015
out.

710
00:43:00,435 --> 00:43:00,915
Within the-

711
00:43:01,185 --> 00:43:04,274
And theirs is all done on water quality and fire flow.

712
00:43:04,305 --> 00:43:04,665
Don't-

713
00:43:05,294 --> 00:43:06,465
So it's different than a lot of-

714
00:43:06,495 --> 00:43:11,895
It sounds like you do have line of sight, at least based on design being done,

715
00:43:11,985 --> 00:43:15,976
based on some other moving parts, but that you do have some line of sight as to

716
00:43:16,035 --> 00:43:16,185
what-

717
00:43:16,275 --> 00:43:20,775
It would be helpful if we could get out the next, whenever you have good

718
00:43:20,835 --> 00:43:23,476
confidence, which I think is 12 months, maybe 18.

719
00:43:24,165 --> 00:43:24,976
Right.

720
00:43:25,005 --> 00:43:25,065
And-

721
00:43:25,215 --> 00:43:29,715
So we have those listed in our first FAQ sheet that we're putting out?

722
00:43:30,135 --> 00:43:30,405
Okay.

723
00:43:30,525 --> 00:43:30,976
Is that-

724
00:43:31,485 --> 00:43:34,965
Is it with a map, too? Because when I say-

725
00:43:35,055 --> 00:43:35,235
Yeah

726
00:43:35,295 --> 00:43:37,065
... Pleasant from Rockaway to this and that-

727
00:43:37,275 --> 00:43:37,395
Right

728
00:43:37,395 --> 00:43:42,495
... most people, except I wish the fire chief, can't visualize the streets.

729
00:43:44,355 --> 00:43:47,385
So all of them, so that would be helpful.

730
00:43:47,445 --> 00:43:50,596
That's what-- And that was a sample of the map, and that won't be-

731
00:43:51,405 --> 00:43:56,535
The other thing, I have a question about Evans Road, is if I go down to Kyle

732
00:43:56,596 --> 00:44:00,405
Siegel's old house, God bless his soul, is that end unaccepted?

733
00:44:01,155 --> 00:44:04,785
I keep hearing that end of Evans Road is an unaccepted road, that to Washington-

734
00:44:04,815 --> 00:44:06,855
I'm sure it was across the street that's in question.

735
00:44:07,635 --> 00:44:08,265
The end where it's-

736
00:44:08,685 --> 00:44:10,305
On the other side of West Shore Drive. Yeah.

737
00:44:10,605 --> 00:44:11,265
Oh, it's the other side?

738
00:44:11,295 --> 00:44:13,065
That's what I thought, but I'll double-check that.

739
00:44:13,335 --> 00:44:14,805
Okay. But a-

740
00:44:15,045 --> 00:44:15,315
And I can't remember if-

741
00:44:15,346 --> 00:44:17,866
... part of Evans is in question as being unaccepted, is that-

742
00:44:18,435 --> 00:44:20,116
The extension, I think, but I don't-

743
00:44:20,505 --> 00:44:25,785
Okay. I thought it was because the part by Kyle Siegel's old house, see, that's why

744
00:44:25,995 --> 00:44:28,785
you need a map because people say, "What is this guy talking about?"

745
00:44:28,846 --> 00:44:31,275
I know where Dr. Drethall lives, too, and I don't even know him.

746
00:44:32,745 --> 00:44:33,675
Or did live.

747
00:44:33,735 --> 00:44:37,846
Oh, okay. So Evans is on there. But I think the important part is when that facts

748
00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:41,505
comes out, is the 12 to 18 months, and then there's a list-

749
00:44:41,625 --> 00:44:45,375
I will tell you that I've gotten a lot of pushback because it kills me to pave a

750
00:44:45,435 --> 00:44:48,346
road knowing that I have to dig it up to do all these utilities.

751
00:44:48,705 --> 00:44:51,315
But common sense does say-

752
00:44:51,346 --> 00:44:51,405
Yeah

753
00:44:51,405 --> 00:44:54,105
... if it's going to be 10 years for a utility, you might as well pave.

754
00:44:54,495 --> 00:44:59,175
So, okay, and I don't want it to be labored, but if Don Dolgov was here, he might

755
00:44:59,265 --> 00:45:04,635
say, "I've got the 400th anniversary coming up in '29.

756
00:45:04,755 --> 00:45:07,065
Is Washington Street going to be done?" That might be-

757
00:45:07,515 --> 00:45:08,055
Mm-hmm

758
00:45:08,055 --> 00:45:12,226
... and if the answer is yes, that's good. If it's no, whatever, fine.

759
00:45:12,255 --> 00:45:15,226
And that's the kind of feedback we want to get, right?

760
00:45:15,405 --> 00:45:20,145
Because that changes from a total street project, right?

761
00:45:20,955 --> 00:45:21,945
Because that might slow it down-

762
00:45:22,305 --> 00:45:22,395
Yeah

763
00:45:22,425 --> 00:45:26,295
... waiting for the design. Pleasant Street, we've been talking about how to design

764
00:45:26,355 --> 00:45:27,585
Pleasant Street now for-

765
00:45:27,976 --> 00:45:28,935
Since 1998.

766
00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:30,315
Yeah.

767
00:45:30,375 --> 00:45:30,945
I'm not kidding.

768
00:45:31,005 --> 00:45:34,366
Only you and I on the last, that section.

769
00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:38,985
So that might be where you do what we're doing right now on Humphrey and the other

770
00:45:39,045 --> 00:45:42,616
sections of Pleasant, but still need the utility upgrade. Let's just build that.

771
00:45:42,705 --> 00:45:48,525
The 1998 conversation ends. So where are we on that design for Pleasant

772
00:45:48,555 --> 00:45:49,005
Street?

773
00:45:50,463 --> 00:45:54,993
I'm speaking off the cuff, but I think that was $18 million we were at right now.

774
00:45:55,683 --> 00:45:55,803
No.

775
00:45:59,404 --> 00:46:01,053
Is it completely designed?

776
00:46:02,763 --> 00:46:05,013
So when will the design phase be done of that?

777
00:46:05,373 --> 00:46:06,963
Of the portion you're going to-

778
00:46:06,963 --> 00:46:07,953
Of the portion from-

779
00:46:08,013 --> 00:46:08,193
Yeah

780
00:46:08,193 --> 00:46:11,583
... from, I think it was from Smith Street to Deborah Terrace.

781
00:46:12,154 --> 00:46:16,383
Yes. I don't have a date on that. We meet with him tomorrow to get the exact-

782
00:46:16,443 --> 00:46:16,863
But not-

783
00:46:16,923 --> 00:46:17,553
There'll be a few months

784
00:46:17,583 --> 00:46:18,333
... that's 48.

785
00:46:18,753 --> 00:46:22,503
No, no. That little section. But I think that's what Marblehead needs to look at

786
00:46:22,563 --> 00:46:26,013
doing is sections, not these humongous projects.

787
00:46:26,103 --> 00:46:29,133
Yeah, like Jim said from his example this morning, that's obviously the-

788
00:46:30,303 --> 00:46:30,393
Yeah

789
00:46:30,423 --> 00:46:32,553
... probably one of the most critical areas in town.

790
00:46:32,973 --> 00:46:35,703
And I just want to also highlight, so there was two fatalities.

791
00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:39,423
One was a former planning board member, one was a high school student, and then

792
00:46:39,453 --> 00:46:45,154
there was a critical bike accident at the trail crossing there, and it also spokes

793
00:46:45,243 --> 00:46:46,443
out from the

794
00:46:47,703 --> 00:46:52,353
trail, which is a utility corridor and the backbone to the town's active

795
00:46:52,413 --> 00:46:57,303
transportation network. So it does link between your schools and gets you kind of

796
00:46:57,393 --> 00:46:57,723
off that-

797
00:46:57,753 --> 00:46:58,623
Almost every school

798
00:46:58,623 --> 00:47:04,413
... yeah. When we wrote the grant application, you have to check a mile radius from

799
00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:07,233
the project area, and we hit every public school.

800
00:47:07,953 --> 00:47:07,953
Yeah.

801
00:47:08,013 --> 00:47:11,193
So if we're picking the heart of Marblehead, we found it.

802
00:47:12,603 --> 00:47:12,753
And-

803
00:47:13,023 --> 00:47:15,813
I really hope we get awarded that grant.

804
00:47:15,843 --> 00:47:15,963
Yeah.

805
00:47:16,023 --> 00:47:17,793
Because that will allow us to do more work.

806
00:47:17,853 --> 00:47:21,483
If we don't get awarded that grant, then everything I just said might get done, we

807
00:47:21,513 --> 00:47:24,753
have to look at it again because funding always is going to shift.

808
00:47:25,023 --> 00:47:27,423
Yeah. It's definitely worth

809
00:47:29,103 --> 00:47:29,373
it.

810
00:47:30,063 --> 00:47:32,913
And just to shift a little bit to the communication. So then what's next?

811
00:47:33,123 --> 00:47:37,233
I think that FAQ page is going to be really big for the community to be able to

812
00:47:37,293 --> 00:47:40,713
just kind of at least a starting point if they have more questions they can call.

813
00:47:40,773 --> 00:47:44,553
But I know the FAQ page you have for water and sewer is really good.

814
00:47:45,423 --> 00:47:50,343
It's very easy to use. It's one of the obvious questions people might have.

815
00:47:50,793 --> 00:47:54,423
So I think that's going to be very useful, especially to Jim's point, just even

816
00:47:54,453 --> 00:47:58,533
highlighting what part, year by year, 12 months at a time.

817
00:47:58,923 --> 00:47:59,133
Yes.

818
00:47:59,553 --> 00:48:03,813
Knowing that things could change based on funding or priority or something else

819
00:48:03,873 --> 00:48:04,353
happening.

820
00:48:06,183 --> 00:48:09,393
But it sounds like there's a lot of good work here, and it's not easy.

821
00:48:09,933 --> 00:48:14,253
And right now I think that FAQ page is going to have a stagnant map with things on

822
00:48:14,313 --> 00:48:14,523
it.

823
00:48:15,783 --> 00:48:18,693
Once we get to that interactive map, that's a whole different story.

824
00:48:18,753 --> 00:48:19,743
Yeah. That's next level.

825
00:48:20,103 --> 00:48:23,373
Yeah. That would be great. But right now you're going to have to stick with the map

826
00:48:23,463 --> 00:48:25,383
that was in this presentation. Like-

827
00:48:26,163 --> 00:48:27,183
So will the interactive-

828
00:48:27,183 --> 00:48:29,404
... here's what fall is, here's what spring is.

829
00:48:29,433 --> 00:48:34,203
Will the interactive map be like my job if enabling actually gets delayed all of a

830
00:48:34,263 --> 00:48:39,963
sudden, the end project automatically gets delayed, tackling like a smart sheet or

831
00:48:40,023 --> 00:48:40,383
something?

832
00:48:43,503 --> 00:48:43,623
Probably.

833
00:48:43,623 --> 00:48:45,393
I don't know the amount of that in the end, but...

834
00:48:47,074 --> 00:48:51,933
You're going to click online on a street, and it will say, "This was paved in

835
00:48:52,113 --> 00:48:54,393
2010." It'll just drop down-

836
00:48:54,574 --> 00:48:54,663
No.

837
00:48:54,693 --> 00:48:55,654
... that kind of thing.

838
00:48:55,743 --> 00:48:57,513
Just with all that goes into changing this-

839
00:48:57,723 --> 00:48:58,173
Project

840
00:48:58,173 --> 00:49:03,303
... so you have a plan to do Washington Street, then National Grid told you, "I'm

841
00:49:03,332 --> 00:49:08,703
going to be done with my work in April of 2028," and then you get a call, "Well,

842
00:49:08,943 --> 00:49:09,093
it's-"

843
00:49:09,363 --> 00:49:10,233
So we could definitely-

844
00:49:10,324 --> 00:49:15,453
Yeah. And by the way, I heard they're thinking of canceling the yellow pipe

845
00:49:15,483 --> 00:49:19,953
project, but we can work on that on a different day. But true, let's see.

846
00:49:20,793 --> 00:49:21,753
Okay. Yeah.

847
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:27,574
And that's why if National Grid's willing to put people here and put design in and

848
00:49:27,633 --> 00:49:29,553
do it, I'm taking it as much as we can.

849
00:49:29,613 --> 00:49:30,093
Here for safety.

850
00:49:30,123 --> 00:49:32,133
Because I have heard that they're going to stop that.

851
00:49:32,193 --> 00:49:36,513
And it does bother me that we have a cast iron pipe from 1901 that's still carrying

852
00:49:36,574 --> 00:49:37,143
gas through-

853
00:49:37,413 --> 00:49:37,533
Yeah

854
00:49:37,533 --> 00:49:40,773
... a lot of these neighborhoods. So I'll take it.

855
00:49:40,833 --> 00:49:41,283
Yeah.

856
00:49:41,313 --> 00:49:42,813
And that's what they're addressing right now.

857
00:49:42,904 --> 00:49:44,283
It's going to be very painful, though.

858
00:49:44,583 --> 00:49:46,683
Washington Street, Front Street, Gregory Street, those are-

859
00:49:46,743 --> 00:49:46,863
Sure

860
00:49:47,793 --> 00:49:48,633
... very painful.

861
00:49:49,263 --> 00:49:54,993
So I'd like to close off here. Thank you. This is very informative.

862
00:49:55,053 --> 00:50:00,123
For those looking at it for the first time, it seems very simple, but I know from

863
00:50:00,453 --> 00:50:03,063
sitting with you all, Louisa, I know you've helped these guys out.

864
00:50:03,093 --> 00:50:04,473
There was a lot of hard work.

865
00:50:04,983 --> 00:50:04,983
Thank you.

866
00:50:05,013 --> 00:50:07,953
And seeing your different books, is it the blue book or the green book?

867
00:50:08,223 --> 00:50:08,583
Green book.

868
00:50:08,643 --> 00:50:09,123
Green book.

869
00:50:10,623 --> 00:50:14,343
And all these different components that go in, and that you guys had this in your

870
00:50:14,404 --> 00:50:15,753
minds and putting it on paper,

871
00:50:17,074 --> 00:50:21,093
I know your engineering, to simplify this was, it's great.

872
00:50:21,123 --> 00:50:22,863
So thank you for all the time you guys put into this.

873
00:50:22,923 --> 00:50:27,603
I know that it was a big effort to compile years of information in one place, so I

874
00:50:27,633 --> 00:50:29,673
think it's very helpful. Thank you very much.

875
00:50:30,093 --> 00:50:33,933
Thank you. And thank you for your help, as that was very difficult for us to get

876
00:50:33,963 --> 00:50:35,223
down to a simple workflow.

877
00:50:35,253 --> 00:50:36,603
We just wanted a crayon.

878
00:50:36,693 --> 00:50:36,873
Yeah.

879
00:50:38,523 --> 00:50:39,574
Like everybody else. Give it to us.

880
00:50:39,663 --> 00:50:45,063
Doing it in your mind for so long. Years with these. Forget it. So all right.

881
00:50:45,093 --> 00:50:45,843
Well, thank you all.

882
00:50:45,873 --> 00:50:46,233
Thanks, Mike.

883
00:50:46,324 --> 00:50:47,013
Appreciate it.

884
00:50:47,103 --> 00:50:47,493
Thank you.

885
00:50:47,583 --> 00:50:52,713
All right. Moving on, we have a license revocation hearing for 257 Washington

886
00:50:52,833 --> 00:50:58,803
Street, Hank Barrelman. There was a certified letter that went out

887
00:50:58,863 --> 00:51:03,453
on September 11th to Benjamin Newman to both his private home as well as The

888
00:51:03,513 --> 00:51:07,863
Barrelman. We do have a certified receipt that it was delivered.

889
00:51:08,583 --> 00:51:10,383
It's attached in your packet.

890
00:51:12,153 --> 00:51:13,923
Top of the mind, you guys have it in yours, too.

891
00:51:14,643 --> 00:51:15,153
Mm-hmm.

892
00:51:15,153 --> 00:51:15,213
Yes.

893
00:51:15,243 --> 00:51:17,614
And it does not look like Ben is here.

894
00:51:18,813 --> 00:51:23,824
The last communication that we did have from The Barrelman was back in July.

895
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:28,834
He was unable to attend our board meeting when he called us trying to update Ben,

896
00:51:29,793 --> 00:51:35,643
and it looks like he was trying to clean up some issues, I will call

897
00:51:35,704 --> 00:51:39,213
it, for certificates of standing for DOR and DUA.

898
00:51:40,804 --> 00:51:45,213
And as most people probably know that he did sell the property.

899
00:51:45,993 --> 00:51:49,864
However, the liquor license still stays with him and that property until it's

900
00:51:49,923 --> 00:51:54,574
transferred. So with him not being here tonight, we do have a couple of options.

901
00:51:56,913 --> 00:52:01,983
We can actually vote to revoke the license.

902
00:52:02,313 --> 00:52:04,923
Oh, no, I'm sorry. Sorry. So we can vote to continue,

903
00:52:06,393 --> 00:52:10,143
or we could vote to definitely suspend the license due to failure to appear, and to

904
00:52:10,204 --> 00:52:13,293
send notice that license need to appear before the board at the next meeting of

905
00:52:13,383 --> 00:52:17,614
October 14th. Now, suspending the license doesn't take it away, suspends it.

906
00:52:18,033 --> 00:52:21,603
It's giving a notice at that time, if he doesn't show up again, we then have the

907
00:52:21,632 --> 00:52:22,443
right to revoke it.

908
00:52:22,834 --> 00:52:25,533
Did we hear anything from him why he wouldn't be here tonight?

909
00:52:26,163 --> 00:52:26,253
No.

910
00:52:27,663 --> 00:52:30,243
This receipt just said unveiled it. We didn't get that.

911
00:52:30,273 --> 00:52:30,723
We didn't get to that.

912
00:52:30,813 --> 00:52:31,443
Right, but I mean-

913
00:52:31,653 --> 00:52:31,923
I'm sorry.

914
00:52:31,923 --> 00:52:32,763
Right. Okay.

915
00:52:33,183 --> 00:52:34,084
Yep. No.

916
00:52:35,373 --> 00:52:38,463
And I'm sorry to interrupt. Just briefly, do you have choices we have?

917
00:52:38,584 --> 00:52:38,824
So

918
00:52:40,893 --> 00:52:46,293
we can start the revocation process. We can vote to wait about six months. No?

919
00:52:46,473 --> 00:52:48,603
I think he needs to be in front of us.

920
00:52:48,663 --> 00:52:51,364
He needs to be in front of us. So I think our only option tonight

921
00:52:52,623 --> 00:52:58,263
is to-- I thought he had to-- Is suspend the license or not act at all.

922
00:52:58,773 --> 00:52:59,074
Correct?

923
00:53:00,393 --> 00:53:05,704
So we could suspend the license indefinitely, and then we would send notice and ask

924
00:53:05,733 --> 00:53:09,753
him to come back to our next meeting, at which time he has the right to come and

925
00:53:09,873 --> 00:53:14,793
ask us to give us his plan, basically, on how he plans to move forward.

926
00:53:14,824 --> 00:53:17,074
We haven't heard anything. He did sell this.

927
00:53:17,163 --> 00:53:19,653
I understand that he has sold his property to Honeycomb.

928
00:53:20,013 --> 00:53:21,873
Looks like they are doing some work in there.

929
00:53:22,713 --> 00:53:27,123
And the next step, regardless, even if he still had his license, was to apply for

930
00:53:27,153 --> 00:53:31,114
renewal in November, which in order to get that, there are a bunch of conditions

931
00:53:31,173 --> 00:53:36,033
which would include the chief going in, passing permits, inspection, all that type

932
00:53:36,093 --> 00:53:39,933
of stuff, which to my layman's eye, doesn't look like he's going to be there

933
00:53:39,963 --> 00:53:43,383
anyway. This is not just one more thing here.

934
00:53:43,893 --> 00:53:47,763
According to him, and I think we've got some different things, but according to

935
00:53:47,793 --> 00:53:52,743
him, the last operating day at The Barrelman was New Year's Eve of last year, so

936
00:53:52,834 --> 00:53:54,213
12/31/2025.

937
00:53:55,353 --> 00:53:57,813
And so he's been aware that he's had to do something with this?

938
00:53:58,023 --> 00:53:58,413
Correct.

939
00:53:59,643 --> 00:54:04,653
So I would lean towards the suspension until he can come in here.

940
00:54:05,913 --> 00:54:10,893
I think suspending it gives him a, at least, elevates us

941
00:54:11,943 --> 00:54:16,054
to the next level, lets him know, and the new owners, if they want to come in,

942
00:54:17,403 --> 00:54:20,013
and put some pressure on him to get in front of us.

943
00:54:20,103 --> 00:54:24,543
I think we have a right to know what's going on with a license that has not been

944
00:54:24,693 --> 00:54:28,054
used for 10 months, basically.

945
00:54:28,443 --> 00:54:29,433
Yeah, because we have limited licenses.

946
00:54:29,493 --> 00:54:31,233
We have limited licenses to begin with.

947
00:54:32,433 --> 00:54:32,523
So

948
00:54:33,873 --> 00:54:35,584
I would tend to lean that way as well.

949
00:54:36,753 --> 00:54:38,763
And if we did suspend it, if

950
00:54:40,054 --> 00:54:41,193
Mr. Newman could

951
00:54:43,084 --> 00:54:44,883
get it back if he was so declined.

952
00:54:45,123 --> 00:54:45,334
Yeah.

953
00:54:46,054 --> 00:54:50,313
How long does that suspension last before it's revoked?

954
00:54:50,463 --> 00:54:52,533
So it would be indefinite suspension.

955
00:54:54,213 --> 00:54:55,653
And then, in theory,

956
00:54:56,853 --> 00:54:57,693
we could

957
00:54:59,601 --> 00:55:05,451
Revoke as of March 23rd, correct? So based on when we gave him the notice, we

958
00:55:05,481 --> 00:55:08,751
could revoke on March 23rd, which is my birthday, for anyone paying attention,

959
00:55:10,011 --> 00:55:12,321
of 2027.

960
00:55:13,071 --> 00:55:13,341
Okay.

961
00:55:13,402 --> 00:55:14,121
Yep. So it's-

962
00:55:14,331 --> 00:55:16,731
So there would be six months.

963
00:55:17,811 --> 00:55:17,962
Yeah.

964
00:55:17,991 --> 00:55:18,111
Yeah,

965
00:55:20,422 --> 00:55:21,531
we have an empty storefront-

966
00:55:21,561 --> 00:55:21,682
Fair

967
00:55:21,682 --> 00:55:26,841
... a building that could probably be somewhere. And I hate to discourage that.

968
00:55:27,291 --> 00:55:29,361
Without question, I think what we would like to think.

969
00:55:29,422 --> 00:55:30,741
So just so you are aware,

970
00:55:32,751 --> 00:55:33,652
if we suspend tonight-

971
00:55:33,951 --> 00:55:34,041
Yeah

972
00:55:34,071 --> 00:55:36,891
... we will send out notice again for October 14th.

973
00:55:37,491 --> 00:55:38,721
If he does not appear-

974
00:55:39,081 --> 00:55:39,141
Yeah

975
00:55:39,141 --> 00:55:43,672
... then, or hear from him, we have the right, according to ABCC, to revoke on

976
00:55:43,761 --> 00:55:44,541
October 14th.

977
00:55:45,141 --> 00:55:45,201
Okay.

978
00:55:45,231 --> 00:55:48,621
But we can speed that up for failure to show up twice in a row.

979
00:55:49,101 --> 00:55:52,701
Once with initial notice, and on the second one on Catherine being suspended.

980
00:55:52,941 --> 00:55:57,591
And I'm sorry, kind of, Kyle, you mentioned something about being in person.

981
00:55:57,981 --> 00:55:59,962
What was that for, to revoke?

982
00:55:59,991 --> 00:56:04,881
Well, they said the six-month process would start if he was in person tonight, if

983
00:56:04,911 --> 00:56:07,161
he wanted to start the revocation process.

984
00:56:07,701 --> 00:56:09,861
But since he didn't show up tonight,

985
00:56:11,541 --> 00:56:16,911
they suggest to suspend, and then after the second time, he could revoke.

986
00:56:17,361 --> 00:56:22,672
Okay. So if we suspend tonight, and he shows up, then we could have a conversation,

987
00:56:22,701 --> 00:56:23,631
at least hear his side.

988
00:56:23,841 --> 00:56:24,021
Yeah.

989
00:56:24,081 --> 00:56:29,152
And then we could start the revocation process then, because he's in person.

990
00:56:29,212 --> 00:56:33,981
If he doesn't show up, we have the right to revoke on October 14th.

991
00:56:35,302 --> 00:56:35,390
Am I

992
00:56:36,861 --> 00:56:37,191
saying that right?

993
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:39,231
Yeah. If he doesn't show up, you have the right to revoke him-

994
00:56:39,411 --> 00:56:39,501
Yeah

995
00:56:39,501 --> 00:56:42,891
... to meet. If he shows up, that kicks off the six-month process.

996
00:56:43,041 --> 00:56:43,221
Yeah.

997
00:56:45,021 --> 00:56:47,932
And if we did revoke at the next meeting, then?

998
00:56:50,061 --> 00:56:53,661
We then send certified mail and notify the ABC.

999
00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:57,741
At that point, I'm assuming he has a right to

1000
00:57:00,111 --> 00:57:03,231
appeal. And then if not, the liquor license would come back to the town.

1001
00:57:03,861 --> 00:57:07,011
From a notice standpoint, can we make sure the address is correct and everything?

1002
00:57:07,071 --> 00:57:07,941
Just double-check.

1003
00:57:08,001 --> 00:57:09,201
Right off his application.

1004
00:57:09,471 --> 00:57:12,052
Okay. Yeah, I just want to make sure, since we didn't get the green card back.

1005
00:57:13,071 --> 00:57:13,552
Correct.

1006
00:57:13,641 --> 00:57:15,591
Right. I know sometimes we don't...

1007
00:57:16,402 --> 00:57:19,251
Just make sure that he's getting the notices and that's all.

1008
00:57:22,011 --> 00:57:23,331
Okay.

1009
00:57:23,422 --> 00:57:24,231
More questions, sir?

1010
00:57:24,951 --> 00:57:25,071
Yeah,

1011
00:57:26,902 --> 00:57:29,121
I don't have a big problem with the suspension either.

1012
00:57:29,241 --> 00:57:34,402
Seems like the owner, and is the owner of the liquor license, does have some

1013
00:57:34,432 --> 00:57:35,841
additional opportunity to--

1014
00:57:38,061 --> 00:57:43,221
We're a little bit low on forum, but I guess if it's 3-0, then

1015
00:57:45,291 --> 00:57:46,071
the math works.

1016
00:57:46,281 --> 00:57:48,291
Yeah, I don't think it's something we're making our final decision.

1017
00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:52,281
Yeah, I would feel very uncomfortable revoking without having all five people here.

1018
00:57:52,311 --> 00:57:52,701
Correct.

1019
00:57:52,761 --> 00:57:52,881
Yeah.

1020
00:57:52,911 --> 00:57:58,731
Yeah. And the restaurant industry's been

1021
00:57:58,791 --> 00:58:01,221
real tough and stuff like that, and I don't know all the things.

1022
00:58:01,821 --> 00:58:04,821
I'm a little bit sympathetic, but this will have some

1023
00:58:06,861 --> 00:58:07,941
leeway to come in and-

1024
00:58:08,182 --> 00:58:12,981
It does. On the other side of that, we do have some empty spaces, big spaces that

1025
00:58:13,071 --> 00:58:16,552
in the event that we do get it back, I'm sure there's some other people who could

1026
00:58:16,641 --> 00:58:16,881
use that.

1027
00:58:16,941 --> 00:58:20,691
Yeah. Well, I'm also thinking, again, I'm not trying to play business developer-

1028
00:58:20,751 --> 00:58:20,751
Yeah

1029
00:58:20,751 --> 00:58:23,541
... but if there is someone that's trying to get in that space that currently wants

1030
00:58:23,571 --> 00:58:24,111
the license-

1031
00:58:24,172 --> 00:58:24,351
Right

1032
00:58:24,712 --> 00:58:25,552
... that's what it is.

1033
00:58:25,941 --> 00:58:26,751
Well, that means-

1034
00:58:27,201 --> 00:58:32,811
That's the next. So if I could have a motion to indefinitely suspend the license

1035
00:58:32,871 --> 00:58:36,891
due to failure to appear, and to send notice to the licensee to appear before the

1036
00:58:36,922 --> 00:58:39,802
board at the next meeting on October 14th for license number

1037
00:58:39,891 --> 00:58:44,241
00024-RS-0657.

1038
00:58:44,511 --> 00:58:44,932
So moved.

1039
00:58:45,321 --> 00:58:45,712
Second.

1040
00:58:46,911 --> 00:58:51,141
We don't need to poll this, do we? Okay. All in favor? Okay.

1041
00:58:53,302 --> 00:58:54,411
Moving along.

1042
00:58:55,881 --> 00:59:00,621
Next up, we are going to go back and review the Selectboard goals that we did at

1043
00:59:00,652 --> 00:59:02,121
our retreat over the summer.

1044
00:59:03,411 --> 00:59:05,241
I think, Patrick, you put together

1045
00:59:08,031 --> 00:59:10,491
a memo for us, sort of going over it all.

1046
00:59:10,611 --> 00:59:14,031
It's great how you've broken it down based on financial management and the

1047
00:59:14,061 --> 00:59:15,712
different sections that it falls in.

1048
00:59:15,831 --> 00:59:21,351
I think what we did discuss, or I know what we did discuss at our retreat was that

1049
00:59:22,402 --> 00:59:25,641
in order to stay on top of this, clearly a lot of these don't fall necessarily

1050
00:59:25,672 --> 00:59:29,031
directly to the Selectboard, that a lot of this is going to be done by

1051
00:59:30,261 --> 00:59:34,971
town administrator and staff. However, communication and tracking it is something

1052
00:59:35,031 --> 00:59:39,981
that we can take some responsibility for to make sure, and this all doesn't fall on

1053
00:59:40,041 --> 00:59:44,001
one person. So I don't know if, Patrick, you want to go over a quick overview of

1054
00:59:44,031 --> 00:59:49,402
what you put together for us, and then we can have a discussion and maybe assign or

1055
00:59:49,462 --> 00:59:54,081
volunteer for individual goals. And then what I'd like to see is throughout the

1056
00:59:54,141 --> 00:59:58,101
year, have an update on where we are on these so they don't just fall into the

1057
00:59:58,131 --> 01:00:01,851
background, and we can track them, and people can keep them moving forward.

1058
01:00:02,631 --> 01:00:08,541
So, if I was to summarize the outcome of the retreat, I would

1059
01:00:08,601 --> 01:00:13,521
put it the board's goals are centered on stronger financial oversight, preparing

1060
01:00:13,552 --> 01:00:18,081
the organization for leadership transition, improving accountability and

1061
01:00:18,111 --> 01:00:23,091
performance management, strengthening long-term capital planning, modernizing

1062
01:00:23,121 --> 01:00:27,771
communications and governance, and making deliberate decisions about key town

1063
01:00:27,922 --> 01:00:33,741
assets. That's the top level, so it breaks out into 13 goals

1064
01:00:35,841 --> 01:00:39,081
that are listed on the pages.

1065
01:00:41,121 --> 01:00:46,611
And let's quickly run through it. Number one, monthly financial reporting.

1066
01:00:47,422 --> 01:00:50,751
Number two is a quarterly town school financial review.

1067
01:00:51,831 --> 01:00:55,221
And we're anticipating that in October.

1068
01:00:56,271 --> 01:00:58,491
Procurement of major services.

1069
01:00:59,932 --> 01:01:01,941
Independent operational review.

1070
01:01:02,932 --> 01:01:07,011
So that's having someone come in and look at how we're structured and organized.

1071
01:01:08,751 --> 01:01:10,641
Leadership transition succession.

1072
01:01:11,241 --> 01:01:15,291
So that's developing succession planning, not just because of town administrator

1073
01:01:15,351 --> 01:01:20,331
position transition, but looking at the top levels of the organization, department

1074
01:01:20,391 --> 01:01:25,641
heads. And so what the longer-term succession plan is for that.

1075
01:01:26,721 --> 01:01:27,981
Performance management.

1076
01:01:29,691 --> 01:01:34,731
Basically, the board wants to implement its annual evaluation process for the town

1077
01:01:34,791 --> 01:01:39,111
administrator, and have the town administrator have a goal of implementing at the

1078
01:01:39,141 --> 01:01:43,911
department head level. Selectboard liaison assignments, so that's members of this

1079
01:01:43,971 --> 01:01:48,741
board liaison with other boards and committees of the town.

1080
01:01:50,061 --> 01:01:50,991
By-law review,

1081
01:01:52,791 --> 01:01:54,441
to do administrative

1082
01:01:55,701 --> 01:01:59,061
look at all the by-laws. And as it was highlighted,

1083
01:02:00,441 --> 01:02:05,451
that I was emphasizing is looking at the personnel by-laws, the priority to update.

1084
01:02:06,831 --> 01:02:10,971
Capital planning committee, to strengthen that committee's role.

1085
01:02:11,541 --> 01:02:14,091
Long-term capital and debt forecasting.

1086
01:02:14,331 --> 01:02:16,851
Develop a forward-looking forecast of capital needs.

1087
01:02:18,531 --> 01:02:23,212
Townwide communications. Establish communication best practices.

1088
01:02:23,601 --> 01:02:28,911
Amy and Maggie had touched about one component of that in the realm of

1089
01:02:29,001 --> 01:02:33,291
infrastructure work, but also more broadly for the town.

1090
01:02:35,091 --> 01:02:38,451
GFOA-aligned strategic budget document.

1091
01:02:39,321 --> 01:02:45,141
So that's the main document that ties your goals

1092
01:02:45,261 --> 01:02:49,462
to the funding mechanism, your budgets, and your department head goals.

1093
01:02:49,521 --> 01:02:52,221
That's the document that links all of this together.

1094
01:02:53,061 --> 01:02:57,531
And then the Turner Road, AKA, the former coffin school,

1095
01:02:59,091 --> 01:03:03,231
determine the highest and best use and was updated. That is in process.

1096
01:03:03,291 --> 01:03:09,261
So those are the 13 top-level goals that were discussed with a whole bunch

1097
01:03:09,321 --> 01:03:13,131
of detail and specific action items behind those.

1098
01:03:16,131 --> 01:03:16,521
Great.

1099
01:03:18,172 --> 01:03:21,021
Open to hearing, does it make sense to just go through the list?

1100
01:03:21,501 --> 01:03:24,231
Or do we have a discussion? Does this accurately represent?

1101
01:03:24,652 --> 01:03:24,802
Yeah.

1102
01:03:25,011 --> 01:03:27,891
I feel like they've done a great job of summarizing what we did with some more

1103
01:03:27,951 --> 01:03:33,172
details, like how we have immediate follow-up actions, and also discussing some of

1104
01:03:33,201 --> 01:03:38,962
the things that we talked about, but weren't necessarily dropped as goals to

1105
01:03:38,991 --> 01:03:41,691
move forward with, because it's a good way to track this.

1106
01:03:41,902 --> 01:03:47,241
I would propose that we go through one by one, and either decide whether or not.

1107
01:03:47,302 --> 01:03:49,971
There appears to be, there's some here we don't even need somebody to be tracking.

1108
01:03:50,031 --> 01:03:52,011
Like for instance, the coffin school, what's happening.

1109
01:03:52,311 --> 01:03:52,432
Right.

1110
01:03:52,432 --> 01:03:54,741
I don't think we need a lead on that one.

1111
01:03:55,581 --> 01:03:55,821
Right.

1112
01:03:55,851 --> 01:03:56,631
But to go through.

1113
01:03:56,661 --> 01:04:00,741
Yeah. No, because I think we did talk about who would be doing some of them anyway

1114
01:04:00,771 --> 01:04:01,371
at that meeting.

1115
01:04:01,432 --> 01:04:01,641
Yeah.

1116
01:04:01,672 --> 01:04:05,962
Because I already know kind of the ones I had mentioned. So, yeah.

1117
01:04:06,021 --> 01:04:09,351
So let's just make sure, just go through on monthly financial reporting.

1118
01:04:09,441 --> 01:04:15,405
So- Establishment size monthly report that highlights material budget variances,

1119
01:04:15,495 --> 01:04:17,535
revenue trends, risks, and emerging concerns.

1120
01:04:18,076 --> 01:04:23,925
Feels to me like that is in process and will be developed as part of what's

1121
01:04:23,985 --> 01:04:27,435
going to be reported on the MOU, and then we can do that movement up,

1122
01:04:30,135 --> 01:04:34,125
basically to being compliant with the MOU and to follow up with that.

1123
01:04:34,514 --> 01:04:35,385
I feel like that is a good next one.

1124
01:04:35,445 --> 01:04:36,795
I think it's a subset. Yeah.

1125
01:04:36,826 --> 01:04:36,915
Yeah.

1126
01:04:36,945 --> 01:04:41,745
No, I think so. I'm working with Molly as a lead for the MOU.

1127
01:04:42,915 --> 01:04:46,545
What we consider really a best practice would be the quarterly update.

1128
01:04:46,905 --> 01:04:50,655
And so I think the monthly financial reporting is going to flow out of that.

1129
01:04:50,865 --> 01:04:54,135
That's going to get established, and then we can go to the monthly version.

1130
01:04:54,465 --> 01:04:57,255
Yep. And I see somebody sitting over in the corner here who's going to be very

1131
01:04:57,285 --> 01:04:58,096
helpful with that. Nick?

1132
01:04:59,655 --> 01:05:01,125
Yes, Nick. Thank you very much.

1133
01:05:01,155 --> 01:05:01,726
Thank you. Yep, that's it.

1134
01:05:01,755 --> 01:05:03,795
Nick has been working with Molly, and I've been working with Molly.

1135
01:05:04,485 --> 01:05:05,805
So, it sounds like one

1136
01:05:08,295 --> 01:05:12,555
and two, you're sort of working on already, continue to work on with Anna.

1137
01:05:13,606 --> 01:05:13,606
Yep.

1138
01:05:13,665 --> 01:05:16,846
And I honestly don't think it's a ton of input here.

1139
01:05:18,735 --> 01:05:21,375
I think we're going to know pretty soon what this looks like.

1140
01:05:21,915 --> 01:05:24,795
But if we're going to assign anybody. Feel good?

1141
01:05:25,035 --> 01:05:27,945
Yeah, no, totally. I think we're on track for October.

1142
01:05:28,395 --> 01:05:31,995
Yeah. I think there's a couple of moving parts going on.

1143
01:05:32,596 --> 01:05:37,875
The migration, implementation of UNIS, which gives us a whole lot of accounting

1144
01:05:38,535 --> 01:05:39,766
reporting capability.

1145
01:05:41,115 --> 01:05:45,705
There is ongoing work to clean up the chart of accounts to make it-- Right?

1146
01:05:45,766 --> 01:05:49,455
And actually, a little much work. There's a ton of work going on in the background

1147
01:05:50,235 --> 01:05:55,695
for those things. The point being that even as we start this process of

1148
01:05:55,755 --> 01:05:56,445
reporting,

1149
01:05:58,395 --> 01:06:00,076
it'll get better and better as time goes.

1150
01:06:00,106 --> 01:06:00,106
Mm-hmm.

1151
01:06:00,135 --> 01:06:03,346
Because our tools are going to get settled in.

1152
01:06:04,726 --> 01:06:10,185
What information that's being reported out, what will happen is you might get a

1153
01:06:10,275 --> 01:06:13,185
whole bunch of data, and you'll look at it and say, "I don't know what this means."

1154
01:06:13,846 --> 01:06:15,285
And then you do a different version.

1155
01:06:15,315 --> 01:06:19,305
You say, "Okay, now this presented this way is very useful." So it'll

1156
01:06:20,596 --> 01:06:25,905
be refined as you go so that it's a more useful information tool as we go.

1157
01:06:25,965 --> 01:06:29,625
So the point being, whatever you do on the first set,

1158
01:06:31,035 --> 01:06:32,295
it may change over time.

1159
01:06:32,385 --> 01:06:33,766
Well, we're going to get feedback on what's helpful.

1160
01:06:33,766 --> 01:06:35,685
Yeah, of course. No, of course. It'll evolve, right?

1161
01:06:37,096 --> 01:06:41,565
But in speaking to Molly, and working again with Nick as well, we're confident that

1162
01:06:41,625 --> 01:06:43,035
we can report on something-

1163
01:06:43,335 --> 01:06:43,455
Yeah

1164
01:06:43,455 --> 01:06:46,125
... in October and at least start, right?

1165
01:06:46,275 --> 01:06:46,995
We have to start with-

1166
01:06:46,995 --> 01:06:50,445
We'll have the quarterly report, as discussed, mid-October

1167
01:06:50,985 --> 01:06:56,596
with the chairs discuss, and then the plan

1168
01:06:56,715 --> 01:07:02,625
is on October 28th, that'll be reported back to the full board, and we'll use

1169
01:07:02,655 --> 01:07:06,585
that first quarterly as our monthly, three monthly updates.

1170
01:07:07,215 --> 01:07:07,455
Yeah.

1171
01:07:07,905 --> 01:07:12,045
And then we can use that, and we'll give feedback on what's helpful, what isn't.

1172
01:07:12,826 --> 01:07:13,576
And we'll ultimately-

1173
01:07:13,635 --> 01:07:16,726
Yeah, we just have to start somewhere, and then we'll-- But yes, it'll evolve.

1174
01:07:16,905 --> 01:07:19,516
So number three, I think with that, am I right?

1175
01:07:19,785 --> 01:07:22,365
I think for that would be, you feel comfortable-

1176
01:07:23,085 --> 01:07:23,596
Yeah

1177
01:07:23,596 --> 01:07:25,965
... since that was, I think you brought that, Aaron.

1178
01:07:26,055 --> 01:07:26,175
Yeah.

1179
01:07:26,204 --> 01:07:26,565
Yeah.

1180
01:07:26,596 --> 01:07:31,606
And I think actually, that kind of falls into the first two, because as we look at

1181
01:07:31,665 --> 01:07:37,455
the monthly reporting and quarterly reporting, we'll see if there's big cost

1182
01:07:37,455 --> 01:07:37,815
centers.

1183
01:07:37,905 --> 01:07:38,055
Mm-hmm.

1184
01:07:39,195 --> 01:07:40,935
And we did one of my favorite subjects,

1185
01:07:42,555 --> 01:07:46,155
Lee played right into my hand about the legal costs this week in the comment.

1186
01:07:46,665 --> 01:07:51,465
And as we move forward with the budget, I think for next year, we should look

1187
01:07:51,525 --> 01:07:54,285
forward, if we're spending that level of money on legal services,

1188
01:07:56,055 --> 01:08:01,635
maybe the schools and towns should look to maybe come back to the same level.

1189
01:08:01,665 --> 01:08:03,555
But I think, yeah, that would be wise to do that.

1190
01:08:03,585 --> 01:08:08,805
Okay. So the independent operational review, which is a thing that we put out for

1191
01:08:08,865 --> 01:08:11,565
bid, didn't get anyone. I think you do have an update on that as well, correct?

1192
01:08:11,655 --> 01:08:14,326
Yeah. So I'm working with the call center.

1193
01:08:15,375 --> 01:08:16,125
Once again,

1194
01:08:17,326 --> 01:08:21,255
we're lining someone up for them to come in and start that process.

1195
01:08:21,316 --> 01:08:23,925
So yeah, we put it on the street. Nobody bit on it.

1196
01:08:25,995 --> 01:08:28,995
One of the advantages of the call center, they're a government entity, so we can

1197
01:08:29,025 --> 01:08:32,175
just engage into an agreement, and they can proceed.

1198
01:08:32,806 --> 01:08:38,175
So I'll have a little more information soon as to who exactly and when things will

1199
01:08:38,235 --> 01:08:38,625
start.

1200
01:08:38,985 --> 01:08:40,155
In the cost.

1201
01:08:40,215 --> 01:08:44,205
In the cost, yeah. I'm estimating about 25,000.

1202
01:08:44,895 --> 01:08:45,195
So,

1203
01:08:46,695 --> 01:08:52,485
that's my estimated number. This is a high-level review of the organization, so I

1204
01:08:52,485 --> 01:08:57,945
don't think it's not analyzing deep every position

1205
01:08:58,485 --> 01:09:00,016
and things of that sort, so I think that'd be-

1206
01:09:00,045 --> 01:09:02,806
But it's looking at different boards, maybe how they can work out together.

1207
01:09:03,135 --> 01:09:03,135
Yeah.

1208
01:09:03,195 --> 01:09:04,516
Efficiencies, looking at-

1209
01:09:04,726 --> 01:09:06,945
Cross-departmental stuff. Yeah.

1210
01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:08,895
I'm going to put Aaron on that one-

1211
01:09:09,465 --> 01:09:09,525
Yeah

1212
01:09:09,525 --> 01:09:14,385
... since he drove that. Sound fair? Leadership transition and succession.

1213
01:09:14,955 --> 01:09:17,085
I don't remember who brought that one. Anybody here?

1214
01:09:19,066 --> 01:09:20,685
I may have been part of that.

1215
01:09:20,745 --> 01:09:21,106
Okay.

1216
01:09:22,545 --> 01:09:24,165
I think I was-- I'm not going to claim-

1217
01:09:24,675 --> 01:09:24,826
Full

1218
01:09:24,856 --> 01:09:26,566
... full credit, but the next two I was.

1219
01:09:27,255 --> 01:09:30,226
So I would like to say number five goes to Aaron as well, if that's good.

1220
01:09:30,525 --> 01:09:32,985
And then number six, performance management is all you.

1221
01:09:33,645 --> 01:09:33,766
Yeah.

1222
01:09:33,826 --> 01:09:37,516
I think that you brought that, and you had some background in that.

1223
01:09:37,606 --> 01:09:42,435
Yeah, and I think what we talked about was that actually back in the day, was kind

1224
01:09:42,465 --> 01:09:44,655
of surprised that he wasn't going to have a performance-

1225
01:09:44,806 --> 01:09:44,985
Right

1226
01:09:45,165 --> 01:09:45,705
... review.

1227
01:09:46,185 --> 01:09:46,185
Yeah.

1228
01:09:46,215 --> 01:09:50,266
And I think the way forward is, I think we all agree that the new town

1229
01:09:50,326 --> 01:09:52,335
administrator, that would be in the contract.

1230
01:09:52,935 --> 01:09:57,885
And that would, I think, be a good way to tee it off for the new person.

1231
01:09:58,485 --> 01:09:59,745
I'm being reviewed, so-

1232
01:09:59,835 --> 01:09:59,985
Yeah

1233
01:10:00,015 --> 01:10:01,635
... that can flow down from there.

1234
01:10:01,935 --> 01:10:07,305
And does Tom Howard have some type of-- Can he start working on that,

1235
01:10:07,395 --> 01:10:10,905
recommendations on what that looks like? Or where would that come from?

1236
01:10:11,205 --> 01:10:15,675
So there are plenty of example contracts.

1237
01:10:15,856 --> 01:10:18,405
So the first step, as far as the town initiative?

1238
01:10:18,675 --> 01:10:20,356
Well, not the contract, but actually like-

1239
01:10:20,415 --> 01:10:20,505
The review

1240
01:10:20,535 --> 01:10:21,285
... the review.

1241
01:10:21,375 --> 01:10:21,915
Oh, that.

1242
01:10:21,975 --> 01:10:22,066
Yeah.

1243
01:10:22,755 --> 01:10:25,965
Yeah. We can reach out to the HR-

1244
01:10:26,775 --> 01:10:27,165
Network

1245
01:10:27,195 --> 01:10:29,955
... network, is to get the evaluation forms.

1246
01:10:30,015 --> 01:10:30,195
Okay.

1247
01:10:30,615 --> 01:10:34,845
Yeah, certainly, if he can get that rolling in advance of the town administrator.

1248
01:10:34,904 --> 01:10:38,205
Well, we should have it for the town administrator contract, but then

1249
01:10:40,215 --> 01:10:42,674
we have some ideas in place for the new town administrator.

1250
01:10:42,705 --> 01:10:44,865
I think it'd be nice to propose something that they-

1251
01:10:45,195 --> 01:10:45,435
Yeah

1252
01:10:45,465 --> 01:10:48,405
... but it takes a little time to gather, so if he could, I don't know, start-

1253
01:10:48,495 --> 01:10:48,675
Yeah

1254
01:10:49,365 --> 01:10:49,875
... gathering.

1255
01:10:51,135 --> 01:10:53,326
So moving on to number seven.

1256
01:10:56,085 --> 01:10:58,395
I'd like to take that one if everyone's okay with that.

1257
01:10:58,455 --> 01:10:59,235
Yeah, I think you have to take it.

1258
01:10:59,295 --> 01:10:59,775
You'll take that from-

1259
01:10:59,835 --> 01:11:01,305
The ethics.

1260
01:11:01,395 --> 01:11:01,785
Yeah, ethics.

1261
01:11:01,816 --> 01:11:02,535
Yep.

1262
01:11:02,566 --> 01:11:06,735
And I think I'm going to start, I mentioned what I'd like to do is start meeting

1263
01:11:07,606 --> 01:11:11,535
with other chairs to start and then expand from there.

1264
01:11:11,595 --> 01:11:11,835
Yep.

1265
01:11:12,165 --> 01:11:14,175
So I'm working on that bylaw review.

1266
01:11:14,235 --> 01:11:14,655
That's me.

1267
01:11:14,745 --> 01:11:16,215
That's definitely not me.

1268
01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:18,856
No, Aaron and I have already talked about that.

1269
01:11:18,915 --> 01:11:20,475
Okay. All right. For those, we'll go Ari.

1270
01:11:20,625 --> 01:11:22,455
And we'll start with personnel after.

1271
01:11:22,785 --> 01:11:22,905
Yeah.

1272
01:11:23,295 --> 01:11:25,215
Because we were like, where do we start?

1273
01:11:25,305 --> 01:11:27,495
Because that's hopefully actually-

1274
01:11:27,675 --> 01:11:27,975
Okay.

1275
01:11:28,035 --> 01:11:29,295
Yeah. So we're on that.

1276
01:11:29,535 --> 01:11:30,645
The output planning committee.

1277
01:11:32,055 --> 01:11:32,625
Feels-

1278
01:11:34,215 --> 01:11:34,725
Noonan.

1279
01:11:34,845 --> 01:11:35,655
Yeah, that's Noonan.

1280
01:11:36,885 --> 01:11:39,705
Long-term capital and debt forecast.

1281
01:11:39,826 --> 01:11:43,305
I don't feel like that necessarily sits with the board.

1282
01:11:43,545 --> 01:11:47,685
I think it's a goal to make sure that is happening with our new head of finance.

1283
01:11:49,335 --> 01:11:53,235
I almost feel like that comes into play with that monthly reporting and financial

1284
01:11:53,326 --> 01:11:53,805
oversight.

1285
01:11:54,165 --> 01:11:55,845
Yeah. Don't we have a committee?

1286
01:11:55,905 --> 01:12:01,576
Well, yeah, the debt forecast. So I almost feel like nine and ten go together.

1287
01:12:05,745 --> 01:12:08,445
But we also already have this chart in lots of ways-

1288
01:12:08,566 --> 01:12:08,566
Yeah

1289
01:12:08,566 --> 01:12:11,895
... Alicia put together, and I think you guys have that, how much

1290
01:12:11,925 --> 01:12:15,375
debt we have-

1291
01:12:15,945 --> 01:12:15,975
Yeah

1292
01:12:15,975 --> 01:12:18,316
... what our obligations are, and when they fade off.

1293
01:12:18,375 --> 01:12:22,545
And I think what it's doing is taking that and overlaying it with future capital

1294
01:12:22,606 --> 01:12:24,106
projects to keep that level.

1295
01:12:24,705 --> 01:12:29,595
So there is the capital planning committee.

1296
01:12:30,555 --> 01:12:35,475
Once they figure out, they do a review and for recommendation to town meeting.

1297
01:12:36,585 --> 01:12:42,525
The actual capital planning is primarily at the professional staff, department

1298
01:12:42,585 --> 01:12:48,495
head level, where we put together, because you have your vehicle equipment, rolling

1299
01:12:48,585 --> 01:12:52,485
stock, walls and fences, facilities.

1300
01:12:52,845 --> 01:12:58,005
So that's more of an internal process, and then those projects that rise over a

1301
01:12:58,066 --> 01:13:03,795
certain threshold of a million dollars or above are the ones that then go to that

1302
01:13:04,066 --> 01:13:09,585
capital planning committee. So the point being that a lot of your capital debt is

1303
01:13:09,705 --> 01:13:14,115
more of an internal process that gets presented to the boards that accept it.

1304
01:13:14,385 --> 01:13:17,835
I think we also, a part of this is just evaluating that.

1305
01:13:17,985 --> 01:13:17,985
Yeah.

1306
01:13:18,076 --> 01:13:21,255
Is it doing what it's supposed to do? Should it be composed differently?

1307
01:13:21,555 --> 01:13:24,285
It hadn't been realized.

1308
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:27,360
Town-wide communications

1309
01:13:27,451 --> 01:13:27,990
That was me.

1310
01:13:30,451 --> 01:13:31,590
Unless you want it, Dan.

1311
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:36,330
So yeah, I'm happy to let you do that. I think we know who number 12 is.

1312
01:13:36,691 --> 01:13:42,210
The FOA is Moses, whether he wants it or not, that is his baby.

1313
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:45,060
And then the Turner Road property, as I mentioned before, I don't think...

1314
01:13:45,330 --> 01:13:51,120
Where, obviously, we have-- Maybe this comes into play if we don't choose somebody,

1315
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,280
or if we don't get applications for-

1316
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,451
But there's going to be a committee, right?

1317
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:57,120
Yes. We're going to put together that committee, which after we'll convene.

1318
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:57,900
Yeah.

1319
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,630
Yes. So, I think we're going to have a committee on that already.

1320
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,100
I would say whoever ends up on the committee-

1321
01:14:02,731 --> 01:14:03,270
Yeah

1322
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:04,020
... goes with that.

1323
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:11,010
I don't feel any need to have more discussion on this. Everyone good? Great. Jim?

1324
01:14:11,490 --> 01:14:11,610
Yeah.

1325
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:16,080
All right. Great. After our discussion on flexible work policy.

1326
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,000
Yeah, so I have

1327
01:14:19,290 --> 01:14:23,400
sent it to you electronically also, so you can review at your leisure.

1328
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:30,360
So I had mentioned I was putting together a flexible workplace policy.

1329
01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:37,170
I went back. One, I am on the MMA's policy committee on labor

1330
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:42,630
and personnel, and so we had a meeting last week in Boston, and this was actually

1331
01:14:42,691 --> 01:14:44,941
one of the topics that was discussed.

1332
01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:48,720
Not the marblehead one, but just in general.

1333
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:54,420
And the MMA shared their best practice, which I have on the next page

1334
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:59,910
down on this. And I just wanted to do that, get some additional

1335
01:14:59,970 --> 01:15:05,670
communities as references, as well as conversation with the other

1336
01:15:05,731 --> 01:15:10,710
members of the policy committee. So with all that input, I've created an updated,

1337
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:15,780
revised version. So it's not just flexible

1338
01:15:16,231 --> 01:15:21,510
location, which is what I was putting together initially, but it

1339
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:26,490
would involve the options of hybrid, remote work, temporary arrangements,

1340
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:30,600
which was flex.

1341
01:15:34,620 --> 01:15:38,340
Starting, flexible starting and end times, compressed schedules,

1342
01:15:40,020 --> 01:15:42,210
hybrid work, remote work, and temporary arrangements.

1343
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:48,180
So the whole idea is giving department heads a number of tools to

1344
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:50,850
address workforce,

1345
01:15:53,790 --> 01:15:56,160
providing flexibility for the workforce.

1346
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:57,750
The key ingredient here,

1347
01:15:59,070 --> 01:15:59,731
whatever

1348
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,320
flexible arrangements are done, are done in the interest of the town,

1349
01:16:06,090 --> 01:16:07,170
to meet all of its

1350
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:12,270
duties and needs. So I can lay that out in the top of memo.

1351
01:16:14,941 --> 01:16:20,010
But we are trying to respond to, one, the situation with the construction at Mary

1352
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:22,441
Alley. That's sort of driving it along.

1353
01:16:24,150 --> 01:16:26,280
But also workforce expectations.

1354
01:16:26,340 --> 01:16:28,800
As we're hiring new people coming in,

1355
01:16:31,770 --> 01:16:34,110
the expectation in the workforce is having

1356
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:41,219
more flexibility arrangements. It's recognizing all the challenges that

1357
01:16:41,340 --> 01:16:46,500
as a municipality, we provide a wide range of services and functions.

1358
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,410
So, not all positions are conducive.

1359
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:56,460
By adding some of the other flexibility options, it does allow us to

1360
01:16:57,691 --> 01:17:02,640
expand the number of employees that may be eligible for some type of flexibility.

1361
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:08,790
So the original just remote work is great if you work in an office environment.

1362
01:17:09,390 --> 01:17:11,280
It doesn't work for you if you're on the street.

1363
01:17:11,850 --> 01:17:17,100
But if arrangements of compressed work times, altering times,

1364
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,510
that opens up the workforce that would be eligible for some type of options.

1365
01:17:21,540 --> 01:17:22,260
Interesting. Yeah.

1366
01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:28,290
The key factor is this is the decision of being able to do this is at the

1367
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:32,370
department head working with HR, working with the town manager at a level.

1368
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:39,270
There are no expectations of this. This is not a benefit. It can be revoked.

1369
01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:41,670
It can be altered at the town's needs.

1370
01:17:41,731 --> 01:17:47,701
So there's setting clarification that what comes first is

1371
01:17:47,790 --> 01:17:53,370
meeting the service needs of the town first, and then doing those things that are

1372
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:56,490
available to accommodate the workforce demands.

1373
01:17:57,540 --> 01:18:02,820
I also read in there that clearly anyone under collective bargaining, this doesn't

1374
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,400
go into effect for that. They would have to go back-

1375
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,240
Sure

1376
01:18:06,270 --> 01:18:09,510
... to be part of the agreements with the affected unions.

1377
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:15,451
Yeah. So if the board were to accept this, it would immediately apply

1378
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:19,201
to the, in here, the non-represented, meaning the non-union-

1379
01:18:19,470 --> 01:18:19,560
Mm-hmm

1380
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:20,191
... it would apply.

1381
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:27,240
For any of the collective bargaining units that are not going to be you folks, we

1382
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:31,800
would have to sit down and make an agreement with them for it to affect them.

1383
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,280
And this excludes anybody on the school side.

1384
01:18:35,340 --> 01:18:35,460
Sure.

1385
01:18:35,460 --> 01:18:40,110
So this is town side only. So any employees that fall under the school community

1386
01:18:40,201 --> 01:18:45,270
are not part of this. School committee manages that side of the house.

1387
01:18:47,010 --> 01:18:52,380
So the immediate effect would be for non-union, and then obviously I've already

1388
01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:58,320
given the union president a heads up that this is forthcoming and we'll sit down

1389
01:18:58,380 --> 01:18:59,040
and discuss.

1390
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,610
I think the HR support is going to be really important-

1391
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:03,570
Yes

1392
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,280
... there for sure for the department heads.

1393
01:19:05,731 --> 01:19:11,430
And then I noticed you talked about a flexible, a written arrangement.

1394
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:12,180
Yeah.

1395
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,000
That again, sounds great, but for the practicality of that,

1396
01:19:16,590 --> 01:19:17,670
again, they're going to need help.

1397
01:19:17,970 --> 01:19:18,180
Yeah.

1398
01:19:19,140 --> 01:19:20,490
For sure with that.

1399
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:22,231
Yeah, I mean, there's some flexibility in that.

1400
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:27,300
So of what we've had is, I remember the morning we all showed up when the Mary

1401
01:19:27,420 --> 01:19:30,630
Alley building was broken into. And

1402
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:36,900
I just issued the order, "Everybody's working remote. Grab your laptop.

1403
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:37,530
Here you go."

1404
01:19:38,191 --> 01:19:38,520
Mm-hmm.

1405
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:42,750
And we actually were able to maintain levels of productivity even though folks

1406
01:19:43,140 --> 01:19:45,691
couldn't go in the building for a day or so.

1407
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:51,089
So there are short-term situations where it'll mostly be a verbal

1408
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:52,320
go.

1409
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:59,970
And there's some definitions in here on categories of flexibility, of ad hoc versus

1410
01:20:00,691 --> 01:20:02,760
long-term, and then there's a 30-day.

1411
01:20:03,691 --> 01:20:09,630
Even in the long-term, there's a 30-day

1412
01:20:09,691 --> 01:20:15,630
initial one, evaluate, and then permission to continue the practice on

1413
01:20:15,660 --> 01:20:16,380
the longer term.

1414
01:20:17,731 --> 01:20:21,420
Yeah. And is there timing on this that you would like us to

1415
01:20:23,191 --> 01:20:24,030
go back to you with?

1416
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:25,410
If you're ready. So

1417
01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:30,750
sort of tying along with the project at Mary Alley right now, the work that's being

1418
01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:33,660
done is not being very impactful to us or the building.

1419
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:37,860
In two weeks or four weeks, that may change on us.

1420
01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:41,520
My desire would be, if you're ready at the next meeting-

1421
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:42,180
Yeah

1422
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:44,100
... we can do it. If you-

1423
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,201
And there'll be comments about individuals.

1424
01:20:46,500 --> 01:20:46,650
Yeah.

1425
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,270
Specifics getting too direct with-

1426
01:20:48,330 --> 01:20:50,970
I think that board can resolve

1427
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,840
... along those lines, like for collectors, drivers where people drop stuff off,

1428
01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:56,731
what will happen to the Mary Alley?

1429
01:20:57,420 --> 01:20:59,731
So the plan is so up where they are now-

1430
01:20:59,850 --> 01:20:59,910
Yeah

1431
01:20:59,941 --> 01:21:00,570
... unaffected.

1432
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:01,080
Oh, it is?

1433
01:21:01,140 --> 01:21:02,370
They're doing the lower level.

1434
01:21:02,670 --> 01:21:03,150
Okay.

1435
01:21:03,210 --> 01:21:05,910
They're doing all the conference rooms.

1436
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:06,120
Mm-hmm.

1437
01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:11,460
When that is done, we're actually going to move those services into the conference

1438
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:15,000
room, and that'll be the customer service-

1439
01:21:15,150 --> 01:21:15,451
Gotcha

1440
01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:18,630
... area while the other parts of the building are being done.

1441
01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:23,731
Sounds like you guys actually planned this out. This is, yeah. Awesome. All right.

1442
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,191
I'm good. Good work.

1443
01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:26,460
Yeah.

1444
01:21:26,490 --> 01:21:30,810
All right. Let's move on to agenda item number nine, consent to agenda items.

1445
01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:34,050
If I could have a motion to approve the following consent to agenda items subject

1446
01:21:34,110 --> 01:21:35,910
to usual rules or additional fees.

1447
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,430
Minutes of May 27th, August 12th, and September 9th to 26th.

1448
01:21:42,300 --> 01:21:44,880
Abbott Hall, Marblehead High School, and Veterans Memorial Middle School Art Show,

1449
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,370
May 10th through the 26th of 26th. Opening rece--

1450
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:53,850
These dates right?

1451
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,280
Yeah. May 10th through the 26th.

1452
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:58,260
It's included for the whole month, but they have an exhibit.

1453
01:21:58,290 --> 01:22:01,981
But they don't really pass. Am I just getting really tired?

1454
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:02,580
Yeah.

1455
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,290
Is it supposed to be 27th?

1456
01:22:04,290 --> 01:22:04,500
27th.

1457
01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:05,550
Okay. Just want to make sure.

1458
01:22:07,170 --> 01:22:08,820
So next, 27th.

1459
01:22:10,620 --> 01:22:14,760
And I'm assuming that these are all... Yeah. Okay.

1460
01:22:15,210 --> 01:22:19,470
So Veterans Memorial School Art Show, May 10th through 26th, 2027.

1461
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:23,701
Opening reception, May 18th, 2027, Abbott Hall.

1462
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,231
Congressman Moulton's Veterans Town Hall, November 11th, 2026.

1463
01:22:28,380 --> 01:22:32,670
Chamber of Commerce, Trick-or-Treat, Temple Park restrictions, October 29th, 2026.

1464
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:35,250
Subject to approval from police and fire.

1465
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:39,930
Chamber of Commerce sidewalk sale, Saturday, October 3rd, 2016, subject to

1466
01:22:39,930 --> 01:22:42,691
compliance with all ADA, fire zoning, building codes.

1467
01:22:43,410 --> 01:22:48,720
DPW request for Roundhouse Road annual cleanup, October 19th,

1468
01:22:49,110 --> 01:22:49,951
2026.

1469
01:22:51,282 --> 01:22:57,103
Abbott Hall, September 26th, bowling, park wedding, and MHS All Sports Boosters

1470
01:22:57,192 --> 01:23:03,042
annual door-to-door canvas on Sunday October 18th, 2026 from 12 noon to

1471
01:23:03,192 --> 01:23:03,522
3:00 PM.

1472
01:23:06,012 --> 01:23:06,432
Move.

1473
01:23:07,272 --> 01:23:07,662
Second.

1474
01:23:08,052 --> 01:23:08,652
In favor.

1475
01:23:10,032 --> 01:23:14,742
Unanimous. Moving on. We have reappointment of a registrar.

1476
01:23:15,942 --> 01:23:18,972
We have one that is appointed by the Democratic

1477
01:23:21,042 --> 01:23:24,402
Town Committee. This one is coming from Republican Town Committee.

1478
01:23:24,972 --> 01:23:30,942
They have asked us, provided response, that we approve Timothy Swiger's

1479
01:23:30,972 --> 01:23:35,593
appointment to Registrar of Voters, and that it is the unanimous intention of their

1480
01:23:35,682 --> 01:23:36,343
members.

1481
01:23:39,432 --> 01:23:42,822
Do I have a motion to appoint Timothy Swiger Registrar of Voters for the term to

1482
01:23:42,853 --> 01:23:44,262
expire in June of 2028?

1483
01:23:44,472 --> 01:23:44,862
So moved.

1484
01:23:45,642 --> 01:23:45,942
Second.

1485
01:23:46,212 --> 01:23:46,782
All in favor?

1486
01:23:48,942 --> 01:23:49,332
How about the

1487
01:23:51,522 --> 01:23:51,822
vodka?

1488
01:23:51,853 --> 01:23:53,052
Just a little bit.

1489
01:23:54,282 --> 01:23:57,792
So we have some contracts. These all-- Oh, I didn't look.

1490
01:23:59,832 --> 01:24:02,982
Because I don't have my glasses on. Here's what I thought.

1491
01:24:04,392 --> 01:24:07,932
These are all historical commission.

1492
01:24:09,072 --> 01:24:14,142
First contract is, if I could have motion approved, contract 26-67 for mechanical

1493
01:24:14,202 --> 01:24:18,282
engineering services between the town and GGD Consulting Engineers Inc., not to

1494
01:24:18,343 --> 01:24:22,452
exceed $24,400. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.

1495
01:24:22,692 --> 01:24:23,082
So moved.

1496
01:24:23,502 --> 01:24:23,862
Second.

1497
01:24:24,042 --> 01:24:29,742
In favor? If I could have a motion to approve contract 26-67 for structural

1498
01:24:29,772 --> 01:24:32,172
engineering service between the town and Gale Associates Inc.

1499
01:24:32,262 --> 01:24:36,912
not to exceed $29,700. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.

1500
01:24:37,722 --> 01:24:38,353
So moved.

1501
01:24:38,412 --> 01:24:38,832
Second.

1502
01:24:38,892 --> 01:24:43,752
In favor? And a motion to approve contract for architectural services between the

1503
01:24:43,843 --> 01:24:47,982
town and Nilsson and Studio Associates not to exceed $25,000.

1504
01:24:48,042 --> 01:24:49,722
Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.

1505
01:24:51,343 --> 01:24:54,883
So moved. Second. Yeah, I just have one thing of discussion on that before we vote.

1506
01:24:56,952 --> 01:24:57,162
Yep.

1507
01:24:57,222 --> 01:24:59,832
It says Ed is doing it pro bono, which is great.

1508
01:25:00,883 --> 01:25:02,742
But then, oh, I guess it's reimbursables.

1509
01:25:02,922 --> 01:25:05,292
If he has reimbursables, he needs-

1510
01:25:05,593 --> 01:25:06,312
Not-- Right.

1511
01:25:06,402 --> 01:25:08,292
Okay. Directly reimbursable to someone else.

1512
01:25:08,922 --> 01:25:10,452
And that's all coming from there. Yep.

1513
01:25:10,512 --> 01:25:10,633
Yeah.

1514
01:25:10,692 --> 01:25:10,902
Yeah.

1515
01:25:11,262 --> 01:25:11,622
Gotcha.

1516
01:25:11,682 --> 01:25:15,552
My understanding, ran it through commission with Adam and chilled it.

1517
01:25:15,732 --> 01:25:17,383
Yeah, he can do that.

1518
01:25:17,383 --> 01:25:18,372
He can do this role.

1519
01:25:19,093 --> 01:25:21,822
Yeah, I'm sure. I've known him. Yes, I'm sure he would.

1520
01:25:21,822 --> 01:25:21,853
Yeah.

1521
01:25:21,883 --> 01:25:23,772
So we've got a motion and a second. All in favor?

1522
01:25:25,542 --> 01:25:26,112
Approved.

1523
01:25:26,202 --> 01:25:29,892
And if I could have a motion to approve contract for survey services between the

1524
01:25:29,952 --> 01:25:33,972
Town and John Punchin for $50,000. Authorize Fairie to sign on behalf of the board.

1525
01:25:34,603 --> 01:25:34,962
So moved.

1526
01:25:35,262 --> 01:25:36,072
So moved.

1527
01:25:36,133 --> 01:25:41,082
And that is for contract number 26-65. All in favor? All right.

1528
01:25:41,322 --> 01:25:43,633
That was paid for by the grant you all approved-

1529
01:25:43,872 --> 01:25:44,172
That they-

1530
01:25:44,172 --> 01:25:44,682
... last month

1531
01:25:45,072 --> 01:25:45,732
Okay, great.

1532
01:25:47,112 --> 01:25:51,432
Moving on. We have a one-day liquor license, Little Harbor Printmakers

1533
01:25:51,462 --> 01:25:55,122
Collaborative on October 19th. I have a motion to approve the application for the

1534
01:25:55,152 --> 01:25:58,122
following one-day liquor license from Little Harbor Printmakers Collaborative,

1535
01:25:58,182 --> 01:26:03,822
October 19th, 2026 from 7:00 PM to 10:00 PM for beer and wine only at Abbott

1536
01:26:03,912 --> 01:26:06,343
Library, Pleasant Street, subject to the following conditions.

1537
01:26:07,451 --> 01:26:10,093
Delivery of and receipt by licensed authority of required fee of $50.

1538
01:26:10,542 --> 01:26:13,452
Delivery of and receipt by licensed authority of proof that the alcohol be

1539
01:26:13,512 --> 01:26:14,892
purchased from an authorized source.

1540
01:26:15,462 --> 01:26:18,492
Proof that applicant can receive proper delivery, provide proper storage and

1541
01:26:18,522 --> 01:26:21,762
disposal of all alcohol beverages purchased all in accordance with the requirements

1542
01:26:21,792 --> 01:26:24,853
of GLC 138. Liquor liability insurance.

1543
01:26:24,942 --> 01:26:28,182
No alcohol is allowed to remain on premises unattended overnight.

1544
01:26:28,242 --> 01:26:31,272
And alcohol will be purchased from True North Ales.

1545
01:26:31,692 --> 01:26:32,383
So moved.

1546
01:26:32,892 --> 01:26:34,062
Second. It's approved.

1547
01:26:34,332 --> 01:26:35,292
Withholding?

1548
01:26:36,312 --> 01:26:36,792
In favor.

1549
01:26:37,392 --> 01:26:38,652
Does it-- Mr. Zitin?

1550
01:26:38,862 --> 01:26:39,432
In favor.

1551
01:26:39,462 --> 01:26:39,942
Mr. Potter?

1552
01:26:40,062 --> 01:26:40,752
In favor.

1553
01:26:41,383 --> 01:26:45,972
And last but not least, we have received letters of interest from Donald Henrik for

1554
01:26:46,062 --> 01:26:50,802
CONCOM and Andy Garnets for harbors and waters.

1555
01:26:51,343 --> 01:26:56,922
So what we usually do here is we set some deadlines for applications and then also

1556
01:26:57,042 --> 01:26:57,912
for interviews.

1557
01:27:00,103 --> 01:27:01,362
Why don't we give them

1558
01:27:03,103 --> 01:27:08,982
till-- Why don't we set the interviews for the 28th, and why don't

1559
01:27:09,042 --> 01:27:11,472
we close that out, Kyle, the 23rd?

1560
01:27:12,972 --> 01:27:13,212
Yeah.

1561
01:27:13,603 --> 01:27:17,502
The Friday before. Great. Any select board announcements?

1562
01:27:18,162 --> 01:27:19,242
I have two very brief ones.

1563
01:27:19,302 --> 01:27:19,782
Okay.

1564
01:27:19,872 --> 01:27:22,482
Okay. Dan and I last week attended-

1565
01:27:22,872 --> 01:27:23,022
Okay

1566
01:27:23,022 --> 01:27:26,383
... South Essex Storage, I guess open house.

1567
01:27:26,712 --> 01:27:31,512
And just two comments on that is, one, that I've driven by there 32 million times

1568
01:27:31,542 --> 01:27:37,302
in my life, maybe 35. It was bigger and more technically complex than I thought.

1569
01:27:37,992 --> 01:27:42,792
Bigger, it was an understatement because I'd gone by it on the water and the

1570
01:27:42,853 --> 01:27:44,532
roadside and never been in.

1571
01:27:44,593 --> 01:27:45,462
Stuff went underground.

1572
01:27:45,522 --> 01:27:47,353
Yeah, underground. A lot of it's underground.

1573
01:27:48,012 --> 01:27:53,952
The other thing, David Masterson did talk about the $400 million elephant, if

1574
01:27:54,012 --> 01:27:58,482
you will, which is a lot of money, but I felt a little bit better about it.

1575
01:27:58,812 --> 01:28:03,822
There's five communities, and we're the smallest, so 190,000

1576
01:28:04,542 --> 01:28:10,452
population it serves. We're 20. So roughly, we're just 10% of that, rough numbers.

1577
01:28:10,692 --> 01:28:15,492
But with that said, some of the work associated with it, like we've already done

1578
01:28:15,522 --> 01:28:21,252
our pipeline. In walking through this, there is essentially Roble head property on

1579
01:28:21,282 --> 01:28:25,932
the site, like the intake, and then it's, oh, by the way, that's Beverly's and

1580
01:28:26,022 --> 01:28:31,482
Danvers' intake over there. And the last thing he impressed me with

1581
01:28:31,692 --> 01:28:36,762
is they have 16 different cost centers for all the spending there.

1582
01:28:37,032 --> 01:28:40,812
And as he said, I love this, you can tell when engineers in charge want to break

1583
01:28:40,872 --> 01:28:46,392
down the expenses. But the important part of that is, it's not like going out to

1584
01:28:46,452 --> 01:28:50,982
dinner with five different couples and someone gets six drinks and dessert.

1585
01:28:51,042 --> 01:28:52,332
They really break down

1586
01:28:53,562 --> 01:28:59,292
what you pay for. And we pay forward our pipes, for instance.

1587
01:28:59,383 --> 01:29:03,282
So, it's going to be a hit. It's going to be over time, but I don't think it's

1588
01:29:03,312 --> 01:29:03,822
going to be

1589
01:29:07,542 --> 01:29:08,802
end-of-the-world type yet.

1590
01:29:08,862 --> 01:29:11,383
I think I was also impressed by really the need for it-

1591
01:29:11,593 --> 01:29:11,682
Yeah

1592
01:29:11,682 --> 01:29:14,682
... from an operational standpoint and their fixed costs.

1593
01:29:15,072 --> 01:29:18,912
They're getting rid of the sludge, if we take away the cost of having to move that

1594
01:29:18,972 --> 01:29:19,692
by diesel.

1595
01:29:19,991 --> 01:29:20,202
Yeah.

1596
01:29:20,561 --> 01:29:23,472
And also the fact that there's not going to be a place for it in Massachusetts.

1597
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:26,442
And looking at some of it, they actually talked about some things that have

1598
01:29:26,442 --> 01:29:27,702
happened that we didn't know about-

1599
01:29:28,062 --> 01:29:28,332
Yeah

1600
01:29:28,332 --> 01:29:31,512
... that could be catastrophic and what would happen-

1601
01:29:31,902 --> 01:29:32,082
Yeah

1602
01:29:32,112 --> 01:29:33,912
... in the event of a contempt decree.

1603
01:29:34,572 --> 01:29:35,082
Mm-hmm.

1604
01:29:35,172 --> 01:29:39,732
So, it has turned into a little bit of a political game over there to get this

1605
01:29:39,762 --> 01:29:39,942
through.

1606
01:29:40,002 --> 01:29:40,362
Yeah.

1607
01:29:40,392 --> 01:29:43,932
But it's pretty clear that it's necessary.

1608
01:29:44,022 --> 01:29:47,682
Yeah. And they do it, I think, every six months, and it's open to the public.

1609
01:29:47,742 --> 01:29:48,462
So I would say-

1610
01:29:48,702 --> 01:29:49,302
It's important

1611
01:29:49,332 --> 01:29:51,372
... it's really worth going to.

1612
01:29:51,402 --> 01:29:54,462
Well, and to look at that water that comes out at the end-

1613
01:29:55,002 --> 01:29:55,122
Yeah

1614
01:29:55,362 --> 01:29:56,442
... which is clear as can be.

1615
01:29:56,832 --> 01:29:57,222
It is.

1616
01:29:57,672 --> 01:29:58,843
It's impressive what they're doing over there.

1617
01:29:58,902 --> 01:29:59,593
It's incredible. Yeah.

1618
01:30:00,762 --> 01:30:01,782
We learned a lot.

1619
01:30:01,872 --> 01:30:02,262
A lot.

1620
01:30:02,262 --> 01:30:03,672
A lot of stuff we didn't want to learn, either.

1621
01:30:03,972 --> 01:30:04,093
Yeah.

1622
01:30:06,672 --> 01:30:11,472
Forget about your dog poo bags. Like, that's not... Yeah, no, it's incredible.

1623
01:30:13,572 --> 01:30:17,472
If there's any questions, fine. The only other thing, I'm enrolled in the Police

1624
01:30:17,562 --> 01:30:20,952
Academy 2.0, so you have your next chief right here.

1625
01:30:21,192 --> 01:30:21,402
Okay.

1626
01:30:21,762 --> 01:30:24,582
Actually, I'm over the age limit, but otherwise, I think I'd be a great candidate.

1627
01:30:24,822 --> 01:30:26,532
But Thatcher

1628
01:30:29,712 --> 01:30:35,262
Thatcher gives a lecture every year, and a very good one, and he spoke for a little

1629
01:30:35,292 --> 01:30:41,202
bit over an hour. And when he concluded it, Lieutenant Ozzie Ostrovich said

1630
01:30:41,502 --> 01:30:44,472
this is his last lecture because he's going to be moving on.

1631
01:30:44,532 --> 01:30:49,122
And I'll just say, there's about 25 people in the class, and one of the class

1632
01:30:49,182 --> 01:30:53,712
members stood up and said, "We wanted to thank you for everything you did for the

1633
01:30:53,772 --> 01:30:55,633
town." And there was a big ovation.

1634
01:30:55,722 --> 01:30:59,712
And I think it's maybe the first of many, or certainly one of many that's going to

1635
01:30:59,742 --> 01:31:03,522
be over the next few months. And it was really-- We all know superintendents and

1636
01:31:03,582 --> 01:31:07,992
town administrators can be punching bags at times, but this was a mixed group of

1637
01:31:08,052 --> 01:31:12,822
people that really-- It was a genuine recognition, so that was good.

1638
01:31:13,093 --> 01:31:18,222
So that's another thing, if anyone ever gets the time to take that police academy,

1639
01:31:18,222 --> 01:31:22,512
it's really enlightening. So that's it.

1640
01:31:22,542 --> 01:31:25,332
All right. Thank you. All right. With that, can I have a motion to adjourn?

1641
01:31:26,022 --> 01:31:26,562
So moved.

1642
01:31:26,982 --> 01:31:27,432
Second.

1643
01:31:27,522 --> 01:31:27,972
All in favor?

1644
01:31:29,532 --> 01:31:31,572
All right. Thank you all.