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It's Monday, December 8th.

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Welcome to the City Council meeting.

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Joe, would you please call the Yes.

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Councilor Henry here Councilor Kohler here Councilor back next year.

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Vice chair champagne here Councilor on Air Councilor Gray and chair Palumbo here.

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All accounted for guys tonight doing the indication reference Scot Kerns from the Marco Presbyterian Church right after that, we're going to the Pledge of Allegiance by Courtney Garwood.

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I'll get a little more about Courtney when we get to that.

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James chapter on.

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Count it all.

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Joy, my brothers when you meet chiles of various kind for, you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness and steadfastness have its full effect.

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That you may be perfect, incomplete, lacking in nothing if you any of who is dumb.

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But Ascot.

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He generously get it.

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To without it will be given him.

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God, thank you for your word.

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And we do see your word says that we can ask for wisdom.

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So for tonight, father for this council who serves faithfully, we pray that you would give all of us wisdom, father, we pray for our city staff that you encourage them.

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We pray for each of these issues that we will as a community address tonight from water quality to land management father, we pray that you would give us each wisdom but also father, would you give us kindness toward one another, help us to

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deal?

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Well with one another.

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And father, we pray that this community would flourish and Sundays.

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This name.

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We pray.

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If you come And guys, Courtney is from the charter middle school.

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She enjoys civic last season.

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Engage students.

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She said her genetic.

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She likes being a leader of her peers.

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She's also a volleyball player.

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She enjoys reading and she loves being around her friend group.

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So according to happy to have could please lead us in the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag.

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The United States of America and to Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God.

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And it is a goal with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That's gonna get motion for approval of the agenda.

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So moved.

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Mister Chairman.

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I if I can know when to to announce that the city's going withdraw item 15, see which is the John Jay Workers, compensation resolution.

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Very news.

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Is that the insurance carrier already paid the funds into our account.

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And so that will be taken care of no need for the resolution to be approved.

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We're going motion to approve as amended.

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So moved.

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we have a motion by council gray second the council Rechnitz.

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All those in favor say Aye.

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Any opposed motion passes 7, 0, Approval of the minutes as anybody have any changes to the minutes from the previous.

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All right.

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On to a motion to approve motion approve the minutes as presented second motion approve of made by a council gray seconded by Vice Chair Champagne.

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All those in favor say Aye.

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motion passes approval of consent agenda because before we get to that and any removals, Mister Chair, have a light on.

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I apologize.

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Please go.

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I would like to 7 a for discussion and 7 E is the next month.

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I was right where I was going with So thank you.

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Would like to discuss.

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Thank you.

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so they become 16 16 E.

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Anybody want to remove anything else from the consent agenda.

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Can I get a motion to approve as amended?

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Make a motion second motion by counselor a second by vice-chair champagne owl's.

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Improves I and II post ayes have it 7 to 0.

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Tonight, guys.

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One proclamation, one presentation for employee service award Kathleen Belt.

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5 Year award of counselors community over here and step down and will present that.

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Congratulations that.

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We have a staff.

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Today.

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We are proud to celebrate Kathy Bills 5 year anniversary with the city of Marco Island.

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Kathy first discovered Marco Island back in 1992.

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During yearly visits from her home town in northeast Pennsylvania.

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She fell in love with the island's charm so deeply that she became a full-time resident 8 years ago.

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Kathy began her journey with the city as a receptionist at City Hall during the height of COVID.

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She often jokes several months.

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She didn't realize people had a nose and a mouth.

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Now, 5 years later, Kathy continues to be a valued member of the city of Marco Island.

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Family.

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We're grateful for her dedication.

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Her positivity and her commitment to serving our beautiful community.

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Please join us in congratulating Kathy on this.

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Wonderful my milestone.

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greatly appreciate your service to the community.

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And I remember you from being at that window statement and that's going to be for you.

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Thank you so much for your 5 years and we appreciate

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guys were well ahead of time.

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So we do have 6 o'clock.

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Citizens comments or time certain.

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So we're going to leave that for a moment.

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Circle back and will head to item 10.

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The city manager's report.

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Thank you count.

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Thank you, council.

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I do have a written report on the agenda, but I would like share 2 pieces of good news with the council and the public.

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And the first is to recognize our new HR director who you just heard from Diana Snover.

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She's been with us for about 2 months now as a new employee.

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I think it was a week and a half ago she was with her daughter at Paddy Murphy's playing trivia and gentlemen, passed out, had a seizure.

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She was able to revive him using CPR and she was the first to respond.

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And and for about 7 minutes, I believe until our EMS and firefighters arrived to then continue and transport her.

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We have heard from the gentleman spouse who is thrilled that he's still alive.

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And we're very proud of Diana and thankful for.

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What a great story.

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We're so lucky to have people like that could represent absolutely absolutely so.

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Thank you.

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The second piece of good news is last week we had a team of assessors who were here on campus and they were examining my PD policies and procedures as part of the Florida accreditation process.

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We were accredited 3 years ago.

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So this was a real credit ation process and what they found after 3 days their thorough examination was no corrective actions, know areas out of compliance.

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They were very impressed with our agency and they recommended re accreditation.

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And I want to recognize Chief Frazzano for her efforts.

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But I also want to say this is an example of where many of our departments work together because not only was it just the police department, HR was involved.

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The fire department was involved, fleeing facilities are involved.

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It was involved.

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And of course, I also want to recognize the Chiefs employee Lori Green, who is our accreditation manager.

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they all just did a fabulous job.

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It was an extremely smooth process.

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There will be a formal report and the actual re accreditation ceremony will be in February.

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So more to follow on a formal ceremony and report.

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But I wanted to make sure I shared the good news and congratulate the chief.

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Cases.

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See no lights signs.

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But thank you for taking the time to highlight those who are doing so on.

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It's good that we hear this.

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We appreciate you acknowledging such actual excellent service.

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All right.

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On to the city attorney's report.

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Thank you, Mr.

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Chairman Councils some reports before you, but I just wanted to bring to your attention since you remove the James J Workers compensation matter from the agenda.

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I wanted to let you know that we are successful having a workers compensation, the mediation that occurred there where claimant had actually asked for over a million dollars worth of the of claim.

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And that was settled behalf of the city for a total of $47,850.

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So to the extent that when it was.

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So thank you.

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Council backed it.

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couple of questions at on personal and the settlement that you just made.

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Who pays your attorneys fees?

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Everything is paid out of the insurance carrier.

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Or insurance carrier pays your versus city for all funds.

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Anything that relates to that matter.

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The app.

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So it will be reflected in rates.

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And next time around, and you're right that I can't speak to kuz.

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I have nothing to do with that.

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Okay.

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And paid the other side attorneys it's all part of the settlement.

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It's all including that we pay for their ensure that we all court required in city was out of pocket 0 in this.

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really this settlement of $405,000.

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We definitely larger than that because of those are 4 7,800 That includes the attorneys attorneys fees, costs and everything.

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Ok, thank you one other quick There are 2 other.

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Really length the work that we're workman's comp issues still outstanding would be possible for you to send the council.

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Recap of where those stand and what we expect to happened in those cases, cases I can attempt to.

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But those are done by through the insurance carrier, but I can reach out to them.

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Thank you.

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That's Thank you for You know the questions departmental have reports.

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Anything from counselors.

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Right?

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We're moving right along.

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We're still 20 minutes before 6 o'clock.

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So we have nothing under 13 cause.

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I public hearings.

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Nothing under 14.

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Let's go right up to 15 resolution for utility easement a vacation.

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I would like to read the resolution 25 dash.

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57 by title in 2 record place.

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Thank you.

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A resolution of the city of Marco Island, Florida approving the vacation of the Chipley Street right of way more particularly described here in generally located between 3, 4, 8, Colonial Avenue and 3, 3, 6 Colonial Avenue, Marco Island, Florida,

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making findings and conditions providing definitions approving the right away vacation, providing for failure to obtain other development permits, providing for failure to comply with approval and providing an effective date.

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replaced.

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Good evening, mayor.

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hold in your planning manager.

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Please excuse my voice.

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I have a cold.

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Before you is a request to vacate Chipley Street right of way.

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It's approximately 6,877 square feet.

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And it's basically it could not basically it dead ends into hideaway and it will never be built through unless something drastically happens to hide away and it goes away.

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Which I don't see that plan happening.

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That planning board considered this request at their October 3rd and their November 7th.

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there was discussion at the October 3rd regarding whether or not easements for going to be needed along the new but outside lot side yard on.

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And so we ran that down.

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It is not.

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Because there easements on the other side's and one that back.

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So.

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That was not needed.

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And then there is discussion and ownership and the ability to.

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Vacate that right of way.

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There was some question about whether or not the city had the right to and we've done the research and we do have the right because those.

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Roadway streets, alleys drives were dedicated for public use to the public with the original plan, which is outlined in underneath Project description.

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And it was Marketbeat's unit 12 Platt recorded in plat book 6 page.

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So after discussion, the planning board is recommending that the city Council.

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Go ahead and fake hate that ship lease to right away and half goes to.

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One owner and half goes to the other owner and I'm happy to answer any questions.

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Send second bar that was here representing the applicants.

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see some light sun's counts of reckless.

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Area.

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Sorry that you're under the weather.

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Hope you feel better too.

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I drove by the property yesterday.

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the weather. Hope you feel better too. I drove by the recollection erday. My

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the weather. Hope you feel better too. I drove by the recollection is ay. My

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the weather. Hope you feel better too. I drove by the recollection is that y

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the weather. Hope you feel better too. I drove by the recollection is that in the original love Mackall plan that was supposed to be a road.

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And of course, that didn't happen because I that correct?

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that is correct.

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I've never seen the original development only see the plat maps.

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Okay.

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And there finish.

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This is a really large, large, large right away.

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Is it customary for the city just to give away land?

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Of that size?

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It's not going comment because it was dedicated to the city for public use the city didn't pay for it.

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It just rolled over to the city while the county first and then the city when we incorporated.

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So.

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It's not uncommon to vacate right away.

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That is not being used.

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know it's not that I've never seen one quite that big 4.

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It's a 60 foot right of We have 60 foot right away throughout the city.

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That is unusual right.

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We have others.

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I don't know about single-family.

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I can't speak to that.

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Kelso.

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I was going to move to approve.

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second that.

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We have a motion a second.

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Still some life sign like signs on council.

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Great.

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Larry.

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Would you like the halls meant I have super it trying to make an offer for it.

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So the city on is part parcel with the city be signing that the so that the owners would then have sure title of this property.

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It's it's the city, its public right of way that was dedicated to the city.

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So that there's no deed.

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Assigned to the right of way.

245
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It's been dedicated through the plat through the subdividing and planning of Marco Beach, which is what Marco Island is primarily made up of is the Marco Beach various units locks.

246
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So there assuming this for to be approved.

247
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Their property lines are going to be different.

248
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How does that get affected to protect those properties?

249
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Owners under this agreement?

250
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They will.

251
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They will revise.

252
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I will second part of the attorney.

253
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I'm not.

254
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Solid in answering legal issues, but my understanding is they will file a deed and that will become part of their property.

255
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So that it will reflect on their deeds on the tax assessor site except Okay.

256
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2 more quick questions.

257
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So this really isn't a parcel we could use for any other purposes that.

258
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Is there any other conceivable purpose for its part or, you know, I've not heard any discussion okay for for using this lot.

259
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I've been here a year.

260
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So thank Heard that assuming that these lots that acquire this additional property, will that be included, the assessed value.

261
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And so we'll be collecting taxes off of that.

262
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Yes, it will.

263
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Thank you.

264
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Councils want thank you.

265
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So I was at the planning board meeting when they did approve.

266
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This Senate is slated consult Ellen Gabriel today to in regards to weather and not this was abnormal.

267
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And that question was brought up by Eric over there.

268
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And it is not is something I folie deux support.

269
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And thank you kind, sir.

270
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Henry for making the motion.

271
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I wil be voting.

272
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Yes.

273
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Thank you.

274
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Thank you.

275
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you know the lights and I have one quick question.

276
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Look at these conditions.

277
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And in my time I see we have a $25,000 bond required of the owners.

278
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Is that correct?

279
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That is correct.

280
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Is that customer members haven't?

281
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I don't recall seeing that Something we do often for homeowners or is it?

282
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a city not.

283
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And I will let Justin Martin chime in on this one.

284
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If I if he needs to.

285
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No, it is not customary because typically what happens is homes are built and the sidewalks are built in conjunction with the homes.

286
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This is a right of way that is being vacated.

287
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There is no home associated with it.

288
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So they are requesting and requiring as part of a vacation that those that sidewalk in that swale be That's why they have in there.

289
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Do we know the cost of these constructions when a chance I would defer to our public works.

290
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Director Justin Martin.

291
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do you know?

292
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Maybe I'm just curious how the bond relate to the actual cost of the job.

293
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Yes Council.

294
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Good evening, Justin Martin public works director so yes, this is similar to other situations that we've had where actually they've had.

295
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Demolition permits and remove sidewalks, us Wales.

296
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And we've imposed a $25,000 bond in order for that sidewalk and swelled to be restored, which was not authorized to taken out in this case.

297
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They're on Colonial Avenue.

298
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You have sidewalks that are intermittent.

299
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So there is no sidewalk on this land between these 2.

300
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Lots right now.

301
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So if if the right away vacation is granted and this is not required, then nobody will build a sidewalk connecting the venue would not have a continuous sidewalk.

302
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So this is a mechanism that the city uses in order to ensure that that sidewalk is constructed, they have to pull right of way permit.

303
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And construct a sidewalk within one year.

304
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If they don't.

305
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The bond allows the city to make a claim on that bond to actually have that sidewalk constructed.

306
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Yes, the other thing I was doing, may know the cost of this project is what I was looking for.

307
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the cost of the sidewalk and the swale is a slightly less net.

308
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$25,000 that we've when the city has costs that are I know the the applicant is saying they got a cost for last, but this will cover the costs the sidewalk if the city had to drawn that van and get a constructed still.

309
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Authorities seem like you want to speak.

310
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Are you down with me thank Just back on Florida for the record, I do have the answer to that question.

311
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Are costing out is on the overhead here at $13,975 to build the sidewalk and swell and I appreciate the discussion on this.

312
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We're certainly not opposed to building sidewalk and swelling point out that in the letters of no objection that we received, which included all surrounding property owners, at least one property owner specifically said that they only not objecting

313
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if the sidewalk and were being built.

314
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And so we're acknowledging that and we're not pushing back on that.

315
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I do think we would appreciate some consideration on the bond about since we have gone to the vendor that was pointed out towards us and its 13,009 75 south.

316
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The bond could be less than 25,000.

317
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I think be appreciated.

318
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But if I don't, I was trying to ascertain.

319
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Is there a standard operating procedure like it, for example, in your right of way handbook.

320
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I didn't see this in their address to the costing and how are calculating casting.

321
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So and that's why we thought if we have this conversation great.

322
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But I don't want this to jeopardize the shovel and if necessary.

323
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There are a series of questions about ownership that I would love to address, but also don't want to the labor issues that may not need to be discussed.

324
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So got right was going to just quick question for a turnover.

325
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Is there a sizable cost difference?

326
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I see these names of owners.

327
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I know them.

328
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I trust them.

329
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That should mean we don't follow rules.

330
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see I see people that I know can do the right.

331
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Things are big cost difference in this pond for 25,000 to 15,000 or that's what been trying to get that.

332
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The bonds are fractional percentages of the total amount.

333
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And so I don't know that there's a massive cost difference, which is why I don't want to create a huge discussion point Thank you.

334
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Council grant.

335
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Typically bond issuance costs around one percent.

336
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Are these fixed price contracts and other words to your point, maybe the does not need to be 25,000.

337
00:24:07,346 --> 00:24:10,490
How long is this price assured?

338
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:15,321
Can we get it done in time or is there are risks of cost overruns that were to to Mr.

339
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Martin's Point, this is the estimate as to my clients.

340
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And so I think Mr.

341
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Martin's trying to plan for is my clients don't do this in time.

342
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You all have to go get it done as opposed to my clients doing it.

343
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And so I think that if it were more than the 13, but less than 25.

344
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We appreciate the consideration.

345
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are these vendors approved by the city?

346
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This was the venue recommended by the city.

347
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Thank you.

348
00:24:39,445 --> 00:24:44,984
And other questions, John, anybody signed up for public comment on this.

349
00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:46,819
No, no one has signed up for public comment.

350
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You could call the roll.

351
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,790
Please.

352
00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:50,990
councilor Henry.

353
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Yes.

354
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Councilor swan.

355
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Councilor next.

356
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Yes.

357
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,336
Vice chair champagne.

358
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,805
Yes.

359
00:25:05,805 --> 00:25:06,239
Councilor Gray.

360
00:25:06,239 --> 00:25:08,307
Yes.

361
00:25:08,307 --> 00:25:10,610
Councilor Kohler yes.

362
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chair plum yes.

363
00:25:12,745 --> 00:25:13,790
Motion passes 7 to 0.

364
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Thank you.

365
00:25:19,118 --> 00:25:19,151
Ehlinger.

366
00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:24,991
6 minutes before 6 o'clock and I go to public commenters at 6 o'clock time certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are signed up.

367
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Thank you for that.

368
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369
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certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are So ned up. Thank you for that. -

370
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certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are So many p. Thank you for that. -

371
00:25:27,793 --> 00:25:27,860
certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are So many people k you for that. -

372
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certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are So many people for u for that. -

373
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,432
certain I guess you should ask and see how many people are So many people for public hat. - comment.

374
00:25:33,432 --> 00:25:36,680
There are 4 people signed up for public comment with actually take you into 6 o'clock.

375
00:25:36,602 --> 00:25:38,237
So you should be fine.

376
00:25:38,237 --> 00:25:38,738
All right.

377
00:25:38,738 --> 00:25:39,338
Let's start with that.

378
00:25:39,338 --> 00:25:39,405
Cool.

379
00:25:39,405 --> 00:25:41,440
The first person place or thing.

380
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,877
So the first person to come forward is too nice.

381
00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:53,812
Homes followed by Peter purring.

382
00:25:55,521 --> 00:26:04,497
I-10 Congratulations on becoming our chair will thank you.

383
00:26:04,497 --> 00:26:06,666
Enough like it's a quick we appreciate you coming in, guys.

384
00:26:06,666 --> 00:26:10,236
Dennis is going to be still some compliments on our police force and a police chief.

385
00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:14,730
Thank you right.

386
00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:19,845
I'm here tonight representing Naples Elks Lodge 2010 in Naples.

387
00:26:19,845 --> 00:26:20,880
I'm also the chairperson.

388
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:28,888
The drug awareness person the Elks Lodge Chairperson.

389
00:26:28,888 --> 00:26:31,390
the the lodge every year.

390
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:35,328
Elks Lodge.

391
00:26:35,328 --> 00:26:38,564
Has on riki Cameron drug Ward.

392
00:26:38,564 --> 00:26:46,973
And if you all know about and Ricky Cameron, he was 8 DEA agent that was killed by the Mexican cartel.

393
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:56,549
So the else who's very red week, they go into the schools and they tried to educate kids about drug awareness.

394
00:26:56,549 --> 00:27:01,120
So as chair person also family Gray's, I nominated.

395
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:06,325
Our police chief Tracy Frazzano for board.

396
00:27:06,325 --> 00:27:12,310
And the reason I gave her that award was in 2019.

397
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:23,843
I personally went to as families Grace to the chief and asked her to please get Narcan sprays into our police department.

398
00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,770
And of course, she has.

399
00:27:25,770 --> 00:27:32,451
And in 2020, they saved the first person on Marco Island because of that.

400
00:27:32,451 --> 00:27:35,870
So she is very well deserving of this award.

401
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:39,992
And I would like to present it to her tonight.

402
00:27:39,992 --> 00:27:42,940
Chief, on behalf yourself and also your entire force that implement these programs doesn't phenomenal job.

403
00:27:42,928 --> 00:27:44,563
Another Amir.

404
00:27:44,563 --> 00:27:45,931
Of your quality leadership.

405
00:27:45,931 --> 00:27:46,899
You want to come on up and accept this.

406
00:27:46,899 --> 00:27:56,499
Please.

407
00:28:01,514 --> 00:28:01,781
It's beautiful.

408
00:28:01,781 --> 00:28:07,486
Don't break it I can't promise that because broke rating ones.

409
00:28:07,486 --> 00:28:22,993
had to get think is a photo opportunity here, ladies and take that and turn around and say.

410
00:28:29,708 --> 00:28:34,113
And may I also know at 100 lodges and into the microphone, state of Florida.

411
00:28:34,113 --> 00:28:35,347
She won.

412
00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:35,815
That's Chief.

413
00:28:35,815 --> 00:28:42,415
It.

414
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:50,663
Well, first of all, that was just very, very kind of Dennis and to nominate me.

415
00:28:50,663 --> 00:28:54,400
she knows that that nomination is really for the police department.

416
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,505
It's the the men and women that are out there that are actually deploying it that are making the difference.

417
00:28:59,505 --> 00:29:04,430
So and it all started with her gut with her donation to our police department.

418
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:08,514
So thank you very much to to nice and to the Elks Lodge for everything that they did for this.

419
00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:10,490
I really appreciate it.

420
00:29:10,182 --> 00:29:19,216
And thank you to your force.

421
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:20,590
Thank Thank you so much to this.

422
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:22,394
We appreciate it.

423
00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:26,899
His next, the next person is Mister Peter Purring followed by Mister Robber.

424
00:29:26,899 --> 00:29:31,337
But right now.

425
00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:33,606
Evening, Peter Green.

426
00:29:33,606 --> 00:29:38,611
49 Street.

427
00:29:38,611 --> 00:29:46,685
is relationship to the year in basketball court, rebuild.

428
00:29:46,685 --> 00:29:56,610
Decisions who made decision for the timeline for the Year Project.

429
00:29:56,610 --> 00:30:00,499
Who else involved who else was involved in the decision?

430
00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:01,534
What project dates are in the project.

431
00:30:01,534 --> 00:30:05,905
Contract.

432
00:30:05,905 --> 00:30:10,843
As the project timeline stands now, it is a risky decision.

433
00:30:10,843 --> 00:30:15,481
Considering number one.

434
00:30:15,481 --> 00:30:20,886
Projects don't always begin and end on time.

435
00:30:20,886 --> 00:30:26,258
This spring's risk to Bocce league season January to March and to Marco Island.

436
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:30,930
Winter season, the height of the bocce.

437
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:31,397
Court use.

438
00:30:31,397 --> 00:30:33,132
This affects hundreds about you.

439
00:30:33,132 --> 00:30:35,167
Players.

440
00:30:35,167 --> 00:30:38,404
Impacts the high school.

441
00:30:38,404 --> 00:30:44,810
Children and families that bring there children to play basketball.

442
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:46,979
Number 2 tariffs.

443
00:30:46,979 --> 00:30:49,548
And supply chain issues.

444
00:30:49,548 --> 00:30:53,252
Our problem everywhere.

445
00:30:53,252 --> 00:30:58,457
This should have been factored into the decision of scheduling the project.

446
00:30:58,457 --> 00:31:02,328
Number 3.

447
00:31:02,328 --> 00:31:10,669
If a contractor availability for 2025 didn't allow for less risky timing to bocce court use.

448
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:15,874
Then the project should have been scheduled for 26.

449
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:17,810
On requesting.

450
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:24,650
A written response to these decision-making questions and issues.

451
00:31:24,650 --> 00:31:28,854
I do want to appreciate.

452
00:31:28,854 --> 00:31:31,323
Give appreciation to Casey's intervention in this matter.

453
00:31:31,323 --> 00:31:36,823
Thank you.

454
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:44,690
Case even an e-mail chain with this back and forth and appreciate you taking point on this and continuing to answer those questions.

455
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:44,690
Thank you.

456
00:31:44,203 --> 00:31:48,841
We have next.

457
00:31:48,841 --> 00:31:51,110
The next person is Mister rapper.

458
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:56,515
But right now followed by Mister Dwayne Thomas.

459
00:31:56,515 --> 00:32:02,454
Robert, that route 68 to erode my topic this evening as revenue.

460
00:32:02,454 --> 00:32:11,300
While reviewing your capital workshop meeting, there was discussion that some of the proposed projects may appear on a referendum for vote in the near future.

461
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:16,769
I've also heard that property owners may not get a vote in these projects may get added to our tax bill.

462
00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:22,700
Obviously, with the serious need for the infrastructure improvements here on Marco.

463
00:32:22,574 --> 00:32:25,511
Something's going to happen rather sooner than later.

464
00:32:25,511 --> 00:32:36,210
But the one thing I've not heard about is revenue producing ideas to help fund these massive infrastructure projects.

465
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:39,725
It does not have to be one great idea.

466
00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:51,437
It can be multiple ideas provided they help reduce the revenue that's needed to pay for such massive infrastructure proposals.

467
00:32:51,437 --> 00:33:01,380
Coming up with revenue programs is a perfect opportunity to show you as a council can work together and accomplish a revenue plan to help fund these projects.

468
00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:03,549
Marco Island's a business.

469
00:33:03,549 --> 00:33:06,752
And it should be run as a business.

470
00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:11,557
A revenue producing business.

471
00:33:11,557 --> 00:33:19,198
To fund these massive infrastructure projects that have a few men humungous cost to him.

472
00:33:19,198 --> 00:33:24,837
Property owners shouldn't be expected to nearly fully fund these projects by added taxes.

473
00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:31,410
These added taxes will decrease interest in our properties and they will increase.

474
00:33:31,410 --> 00:33:33,780
Property taxes.

475
00:33:33,780 --> 00:33:35,214
Obviously, you guys have some very important discussions ahead.

476
00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:41,487
And once again, take this opportunity to show the residents of Marco Island.

477
00:33:41,487 --> 00:33:45,657
This council can work together, stand for its citizens.

478
00:33:45,657 --> 00:33:50,829
Keep Marco Strong and maintain its paradise charm.

479
00:33:50,829 --> 00:33:51,960
Happy holidays.

480
00:33:51,196 --> 00:33:51,697
Happy Holidays.

481
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:53,980
Robert, thank you.

482
00:33:53,298 --> 00:33:58,337
John is next.

483
00:33:58,337 --> 00:34:05,778
The final person to speak is Mister Dwayne Thomas.

484
00:34:05,778 --> 00:34:10,816
Good evening going Thomas tonight said for appeal court, Marco Island, Florida.

485
00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:11,683
topic tonight is a Marine staging lots.

486
00:34:11,683 --> 00:34:13,886
Marco Island.

487
00:34:13,886 --> 00:34:17,756
Back in.

488
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:21,693
June, July me and 3 other Marine contractors went in front of Collier County commissioners.

489
00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:26,999
And asking them for permission news, the base of the Jolley Bridge for staging.

490
00:34:26,999 --> 00:34:38,430
We got in front of the commissioners I representative for district one was not in favor of any of the Marine contractors using that area for staging.

491
00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:51,190
They said the only way we can get that done is if got the blessing of Marco Island City Council and we can come back in front of Collier County commissioners and probably get their blessing.

492
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:58,564
We met with Mister Mcnees several months ago and he was trying to put a plan together to make some.

493
00:34:58,564 --> 00:34:59,698
Alterations in our ordinances.

494
00:34:59,698 --> 00:35:12,511
So to make it a little easier, more flexible for staging launch from for contractors here on the island as it is now we have to depend on private citizens use of they'll option order to do our jobs.

495
00:35:12,511 --> 00:35:24,323
I'm sure we've all seen in the paper that there's been a big construction project that's going to be happening into Naples City Pier and they're going to be using the base of the Jolley Bridge for 9 months for demolition.

496
00:35:24,323 --> 00:35:25,757
And for 18 months for construction.

497
00:35:25,757 --> 00:35:29,461
So basically 2 and a half years.

498
00:35:29,461 --> 00:35:42,708
In light of all And, you know, it's just really we need to take a hit the head out of this and realize that we have a staging lot issue for not just here, but everywhere in Collier County, I'm hoping the boy can take it this time.

499
00:35:42,708 --> 00:35:47,145
Kind of come up with a permanent resolution for this.

500
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:58,891
Including not just a temporary situation at the base of the budget, Ali Bridge, but use Collier County tax dollars, city of Naples, tax dollars put up a prominent wall.

501
00:35:58,891 --> 00:36:06,164
Some proper barricading with with horticulture to make it unsightly and possibly even a fishing pier that we used to have at the base of both bridges.

502
00:36:06,164 --> 00:36:07,320
I hope you consider that.

503
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,269
Thank you.

504
00:36:10,269 --> 00:36:14,740
They will tell you going to be bringing this up under council communication, some updates.

505
00:36:14,740 --> 00:36:16,740
So if you're not here for that, you can watch it later on.

506
00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:17,576
But I do have some notes.

507
00:36:17,576 --> 00:36:20,846
I'm talking county commissioner Locastro on So spoke about detail later in the meeting.

508
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,214
Thank you.

509
00:36:22,214 --> 00:36:27,152
Cho was at it.

510
00:36:27,152 --> 00:36:27,419
Yes, sir.

511
00:36:27,419 --> 00:36:30,355
That was last public speaker.

512
00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,570
Very So we'll be moving on.

513
00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:36,562
We are 15 of the I believe it is.

514
00:36:36,562 --> 00:36:41,330
Utility This is from look properties located at one.

515
00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:44,360
38 1.48 58 60 itself.

516
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:45,871
Barfield least yes, please.

517
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:47,806
Thank you.

518
00:36:47,806 --> 00:37:01,860
I'm reading resolution 25 dash 58 by title in to record a resolution of the city of Marco Island, Florida approving the vacation of the utility and drainage easement along the common lot lines of Marco Beach unit.

519
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:21,600
5 buck 83 lot, 7, 8, 9.10 located at 1, 6, 8, 1, 5, 8, 1, 4, 8, and 1, 3, 8 South Barfield drive Marco Island, Florida making findings and conditions providing definitions approving the easement vacation, providing for failure to obtain other

520
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:28,130
development permits, providing for failure to comply with approval and providing an effective date.

521
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:28,714
Mary, welcome back.

522
00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:30,449
And sorry, we need to use your voice up again.

523
00:37:30,449 --> 00:37:35,530
fix, some I apologize before you Martin.

524
00:37:35,454 --> 00:37:38,190
Can you pull that up?

525
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:41,193
remember use the power point this time.

526
00:37:41,193 --> 00:37:42,828
This is for Barfield.

527
00:37:42,828 --> 00:37:46,980
These are the lots right here identified that are highlighted.

528
00:37:46,465 --> 00:37:53,338
There's 4 live through requesting easement vacations along the 3 common property boundaries.

529
00:37:53,338 --> 00:37:53,939
That's the zoning.

530
00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:58,343
It's C 3.

531
00:37:58,343 --> 00:38:05,617
The applicant has been requested by the utilities department and then also Lumen.

532
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:26,438
I believe it was Lehman to keep, as you can at 10 by 12 easement in the front and then in the alley, the front is for public works and the rears for So that request is a vacate all the areas and Highland highlighted in yellow.

533
00:38:26,438 --> 00:38:27,606
Staff.

534
00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:44,890
I'm sorry, Planning Board considered this request that their November 7th meeting and after brief discussion, they approved at recommending the planning So I mean, the city council from this.

535
00:38:44,890 --> 00:38:47,959
And I'm happy answer any questions in the applicant is here tonight.

536
00:38:47,959 --> 00:38:48,600
2 very good.

537
00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:49,270
Thank you for the presentation.

538
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:49,461
Counsel Henry.

539
00:38:49,461 --> 00:38:50,962
have to approve.

540
00:38:50,962 --> 00:38:57,169
I'll second that motion by counsel Henry a second by council Shrum.

541
00:38:57,169 --> 00:38:57,402
Council records.

542
00:38:57,402 --> 00:39:02,240
Your light is on.

543
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:10,716
Mary a got number of questions about this not really a question about the unity of title issue.

544
00:39:10,716 --> 00:39:16,888
That's on the agenda tonight because I have no problem with with any of that.

545
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:21,326
But what I do have a problem with.

546
00:39:21,326 --> 00:39:24,563
Is it in 2024 and October of 2024.

547
00:39:24,563 --> 00:39:31,200
This project came before the playing board and also.

548
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:48,820
The city Council and the conditional use permit to use that for and out of storage project was approved our coach says that.

549
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:54,226
If if nothing has been done within a year.

550
00:39:54,226 --> 00:39:59,300
That conditional permit goes away.

551
00:39:59,197 --> 00:40:01,566
And the applicant has to start over again.

552
00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:07,339
My question is, are, are we prepared to have them do that?

553
00:40:07,339 --> 00:40:09,875
If they have to?

554
00:40:09,875 --> 00:40:10,410
They will.

555
00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:14,913
But they have been they have submitted building permit plans they in May.

556
00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:18,350
And so they have been going back and forth.

557
00:40:18,350 --> 00:40:36,802
so for that reason, they have started the project in trying to get building permits, but I would defer to our attorney to see if he sure Alan has been well versed on this and has an answer.

558
00:40:36,802 --> 00:40:41,273
It's my understanding based on the ldc that.

559
00:40:41,273 --> 00:40:44,276
You've got to do something more than just filed for a permit.

560
00:40:44,276 --> 00:40:50,215
Well, that's the beginning stage of being able to come forward and get approval suffer develop purposes.

561
00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:51,683
So they've started the process within a timeframe.

562
00:40:51,683 --> 00:40:54,286
Then they satisfy that requirement.

563
00:40:54,286 --> 00:40:56,210
As long as it as long as it diligently pursuing it.

564
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:59,558
And that would be satisfactory.

565
00:40:59,558 --> 00:40:59,724
Okay.

566
00:40:59,724 --> 00:41:03,328
If the Ldc doesn't say that, well, it would.

567
00:41:03,328 --> 00:41:07,980
But that the law the law does provide for them.

568
00:41:07,980 --> 00:41:07,980
And what was case.

569
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:13,905
Law and other development regulations would provide for that.

570
00:41:13,905 --> 00:41:19,411
I have some doubt that that's the case.

571
00:41:19,411 --> 00:41:27,285
They didn't come back to to the planning board with this particular issue until November.

572
00:41:27,285 --> 00:41:31,656
And which is well after the 365 day period.

573
00:41:31,656 --> 00:41:35,126
And really what they needed to do was to file for an extension.

574
00:41:35,126 --> 00:41:37,950
Of the conditional use permit.

575
00:41:37,295 --> 00:41:40,699
that wasn't done.

576
00:41:40,699 --> 00:41:42,701
Growth management department.

577
00:41:42,701 --> 00:41:44,803
Should know.

578
00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:45,360
That.

579
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,700
That's the case.

580
00:41:49,700 --> 00:41:51,343
This has been.

581
00:41:51,343 --> 00:41:51,776
Decades ago.

582
00:41:51,776 --> 00:41:56,748
But when I chairman, the plane board.

583
00:41:56,748 --> 00:42:03,855
Our growth management Department wrote people with a conditional use permit 90 days before they're conditional.

584
00:42:03,855 --> 00:42:13,198
Conditional use permit expired to let them know that they that it was beginning to expire and they had certain things they need to do.

585
00:42:13,198 --> 00:42:16,801
I I suspect that current departments that do it.

586
00:42:16,801 --> 00:42:25,410
I can't speak to that and I would I would encourage it to be done because I think you have to start over Zach.

587
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:26,770
That's my that's my opinion.

588
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:28,446
Read the argument.

589
00:42:28,446 --> 00:42:31,583
Obviously, our attorney has been well versed in this.

590
00:42:31,583 --> 00:42:36,321
And supporting the staff's position.

591
00:42:36,321 --> 00:42:39,524
But I I strongly disagree.

592
00:42:39,524 --> 00:42:40,580
Thank you.

593
00:42:40,580 --> 00:42:40,580
That's accounts.

594
00:42:40,258 --> 00:42:43,395
A great.

595
00:42:43,395 --> 00:42:52,404
I'm just fine upon what Council productions just Are we certain of the determination, Allen, you're Wilson careful.

596
00:42:52,404 --> 00:42:57,800
So we're council bucshon says brought up I'd like to know we're on firm ground.

597
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,878
Well as a land use zoning attorney.

598
00:42:59,878 --> 00:43:14,292
I've been involved in these discussions personally and and and every jurisdiction I've been involved in whenever act of activity on the property based upon approval that would satisfy the least for the purposes of what we're talking about.

599
00:43:14,292 --> 00:43:16,661
That work is being done.

600
00:43:16,661 --> 00:43:17,128
Timely.

601
00:43:17,128 --> 00:43:18,363
Now they have to pursue it.

602
00:43:18,363 --> 00:43:19,970
They just can't file it and leave.

603
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:26,137
It said and do nothing who is that would it wouldn't be in good faith.

604
00:43:26,137 --> 00:43:34,679
But however, in the conversation that I've heard so far, there's no indication or evidence that that's not the case.

605
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:35,580
one.

606
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:36,881
Thank you.

607
00:43:36,881 --> 00:43:41,190
Yes, I would like to remind the counselors to heed the advice of the city attorney.

608
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:42,520
He's practiced in this area.

609
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:51,596
You know, we've gone down this road before Land Council does not watch the red flags that we are being advised by our city attorney.

610
00:43:51,596 --> 00:43:56,501
So please heed the advice of or city Thank you.

611
00:43:56,501 --> 00:43:58,703
Don't just want echo you know, the light side, some of the same.

612
00:43:58,703 --> 00:44:01,773
Well, I appreciate the council's bringing this up and exploring it.

613
00:44:01,773 --> 00:44:10,615
I do always listen City Attorney Mary, reapplied, if this had to happen with anything or been different with this approvals or any trigger mechanism that would have made this outcome of the different.

614
00:44:10,615 --> 00:44:14,753
We've got the same.

615
00:44:14,753 --> 00:44:16,540
And just so, you know, easement vacation is fair.

616
00:44:16,521 --> 00:44:18,390
It's separate.

617
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:20,658
From the conditional use permit leather.

618
00:44:20,658 --> 00:44:23,610
They have to go back through or not.

619
00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:24,329
This can carry forward.

620
00:44:24,329 --> 00:44:25,530
Very good.

621
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:37,275
Councilor Bettis policed well I started up my conversation, but and I have no problem with this unity of title issue.

622
00:44:37,275 --> 00:44:42,213
It's not related to the issue that I brought up.

623
00:44:42,213 --> 00:44:45,517
In it except in an indirect way.

624
00:44:45,517 --> 00:44:50,655
I did look at the approval of the original conditional use permit.

625
00:44:50,655 --> 00:44:55,600
I found it that the one-year it expired.

626
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,229
I saw nothing in the land development code.

627
00:44:58,229 --> 00:45:01,699
That just say they didn't have to start over.

628
00:45:01,699 --> 00:45:06,871
Obviously the city attorney is seeing something in the land development code that allows it.

629
00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:10,800
I personally did not.

630
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,946
so that's just a that's what makes interesting around here.

631
00:45:14,946 --> 00:45:18,650
Sometimes we don't always agree.

632
00:45:18,650 --> 00:45:20,185
Thank you, council.

633
00:45:20,185 --> 00:45:22,200
I may just one place for the record.

634
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,550
Zach Osborne on behalf of Marco Lux.

635
00:45:24,222 --> 00:45:29,940
The one additional item I would put on here is that this application.

636
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:30,462
Was filed before that expiration deadline.

637
00:45:30,462 --> 00:45:38,236
So addition of the permit being filed before the expiration when talking about this was also filed before that, and I want to just provide some additional context to file a vacation.

638
00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:41,473
We have to go get.

639
00:45:41,473 --> 00:45:42,407
Letters.

640
00:45:42,407 --> 00:45:44,209
No objection from the utility companies.

641
00:45:44,209 --> 00:45:48,379
That takes a substantial amount of time because they don't have to respond within a particular time frame.

642
00:45:48,379 --> 00:45:57,956
And so when I when I write a letter to Luminance Century Link Comcast, we're sort of at their mercy on the review times in this particular case because there were facilities on the back.

643
00:45:57,956 --> 00:45:59,570
We had to do site visits.

644
00:45:59,124 --> 00:46:02,927
And so we're having this question about was were being diligently performed.

645
00:46:02,927 --> 00:46:09,934
Even the filing date doesn't represent when this process was started because we had to go get all these approvals and work through it.

646
00:46:09,934 --> 00:46:13,371
But you said, Jack, these are 2 issues.

647
00:46:13,371 --> 00:46:14,720
They are 2 separate issues.

648
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,609
But what I'm saying, I'm not talking about your issue about unity of title.

649
00:46:17,609 --> 00:46:21,146
I'm talking about conditional use permit.

650
00:46:21,146 --> 00:46:25,884
I understand you've called in to question my clients ability to follow through the conditional use permits.

651
00:46:25,884 --> 00:46:35,930
I would like to take this opportunity put on the record that this does go towards that effort of diligently pursuing the development of the site.

652
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:44,802
So in addition to the building permit, this is part of that process, however, because there are other permitted uses that could take place in the zoning district that could be built across the lot lines.

653
00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:46,370
This should be able to stand on its own.

654
00:46:46,171 --> 00:46:47,906
So I think we're in agreement there.

655
00:46:47,906 --> 00:46:50,800
I'm just saying that because that was called the question around a public meeting.

656
00:46:50,542 --> 00:46:57,682
I need to make it clear that this is part of my clients, diligent effort to make sure that that conditional use permit is being called through.

657
00:46:57,682 --> 00:46:58,283
appreciate that consideration.

658
00:46:58,283 --> 00:46:59,350
On the record, of course.

659
00:46:59,350 --> 00:46:59,584
Thank you.

660
00:46:59,584 --> 00:47:02,187
Joining the signed up to public comment on this.

661
00:47:02,187 --> 00:47:04,455
There is not.

662
00:47:04,455 --> 00:47:05,924
You know, the light signs, would you call the roll?

663
00:47:05,924 --> 00:47:09,360
Please.

664
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:09,794
Councilor Henry.

665
00:47:09,794 --> 00:47:12,163
Yes.

666
00:47:12,163 --> 00:47:14,966
Counselors, Yes.

667
00:47:14,966 --> 00:47:15,660
Cancer.

668
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:15,660
Back next.

669
00:47:15,233 --> 00:47:17,802
Yes.

670
00:47:17,802 --> 00:47:18,690
Councilor champagne.

671
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:20,171
Yes.

672
00:47:20,171 --> 00:47:20,371
Councilor great.

673
00:47:20,371 --> 00:47:22,600
Yes.

674
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,577
Council Agholor us.

675
00:47:25,577 --> 00:47:25,710
Palumbo.

676
00:47:25,710 --> 00:47:26,770
Yes, motion passes 7 to 0.

677
00:47:26,644 --> 00:47:30,480
Thank you.

678
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,382
All right, guys.

679
00:47:31,382 --> 00:47:33,518
15 see has been removed from the agenda tonight.

680
00:47:33,518 --> 00:47:35,587
One less thing snow around to 15 day.

681
00:47:35,587 --> 00:47:39,123
Award of contract too.

682
00:47:39,123 --> 00:47:40,358
not going to try this one.

683
00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:50,602
vocal water Technologies, LLC replay some of North water treatment plant filter oppress model.

684
00:47:50,602 --> 00:47:51,869
Jeff, don't get any counsel for the record.

685
00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,806
Deputy general manager of your water and sewer department.

686
00:47:54,806 --> 00:48:08,119
Yes, this item is through request is to approve the replacement of the lime sludge press at the North Water treatment plant in the amount of $452,078.

687
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:09,530
A little background.

688
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:16,761
The North Water treatment plant uses the line softening process to remove hardness from the city's water.

689
00:48:16,761 --> 00:48:24,350
This process produces a lime sludge, which is then thickened and the watering.

690
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:25,690
Before it is hauled off to an off-site location.

691
00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:32,210
The watering is in Horton because it reduces our sludge, hauling costs.

692
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:36,481
The existing press was purchased in 2004 used.

693
00:48:36,481 --> 00:48:39,917
And it is at the end of its service life.

694
00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:48,726
It operates nearly 8 to 10 hours a day and it it.

695
00:48:48,726 --> 00:48:53,931
runs continuously for the entire 365 they year.

696
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:57,802
The watering that sludge.

697
00:48:57,802 --> 00:49:01,239
It now requires nearly weekly repairs.

698
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:06,444
The one or 2 departments, a long range plan.

699
00:49:06,444 --> 00:49:10,480
converting the North Water treatment plant from lime softening to membrane.

700
00:49:10,348 --> 00:49:11,449
Softening.

701
00:49:11,449 --> 00:49:23,940
This transition is being considered because the current process needs major upgrades and still win that meet future regulatory requirements for this reason.

702
00:49:23,728 --> 00:49:34,380
Staff has delayed replacing the press to avoid investing in equipment that will eventually become obolete.

703
00:49:34,205 --> 00:49:39,744
the treatment conversion is still 3 to 5 years away.

704
00:49:39,744 --> 00:49:43,147
the existing press can no longer.

705
00:49:43,147 --> 00:49:43,214
Rely.

706
00:49:43,214 --> 00:49:47,218
We support plant operations.

707
00:49:47,218 --> 00:49:50,880
A vocal water technologies is the original manufacturer of the press.

708
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:57,228
The only supplier able to provide a fully compatible replacement.

709
00:49:57,228 --> 00:49:59,564
In the plant.

710
00:49:59,564 --> 00:50:02,734
Existing footprint staff have reviewed the turn.

711
00:50:02,734 --> 00:50:06,604
Key proposal and determine the cause is fair and reasonable.

712
00:50:06,604 --> 00:50:14,245
Normally this type a request would have come to city Council.

713
00:50:14,245 --> 00:50:26,591
Through the water and sewer capital budget program.

714
00:50:26,591 --> 00:50:30,728
we and then it would follow up as a single line item in the budget.

715
00:50:30,728 --> 00:50:40,710
However, we were we differing replacing it and it wasn't until September that we determined that this Preston needed to be replaced.

716
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:58,356
Now to fund the replacement, we recommend using the water and sewer, renew, replace, and renew, renew, replace an improvement fund, which is provides $800,000 annually for an anticipated equipment failures in the water and wastewater systems.

717
00:50:58,356 --> 00:51:08,699
This purchase will use approximately 56% of the funding with only 17% of the fiscal year.

718
00:51:08,699 --> 00:51:13,404
Complete while we are not requesting the use of reserves at this time, additional unforeseen failures.

719
00:51:13,404 --> 00:51:28,820
We're always possible and we may need to reprioritize other projects or ask counsel for the use of reserves if if unforeseen failures occur and we need additional funding.

720
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:32,790
It would have been remiss of me not to mention that right here.

721
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:40,631
So replacing this equipment is essential to maintaining reliable and uninterrupted operations at the North Water treatment plant.

722
00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:44,569
And I hope you consider a motion to approve.

723
00:51:44,569 --> 00:51:46,700
Council, but move.

724
00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:50,274
I'll second that.

725
00:51:50,274 --> 00:51:53,578
We have a motion by council pregnant a second, I think by council swan.

726
00:51:53,578 --> 00:51:55,813
should've I signed up for public comment.

727
00:51:55,813 --> 00:51:58,115
There is no one signed up for public comments.

728
00:51:58,115 --> 00:51:59,500
You know, let's call the roll.

729
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,786
Please.

730
00:52:01,786 --> 00:52:11,280
And counselor, next councilor Yes, Councilor Gray.

731
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:11,529
Councilor Agholor.

732
00:52:11,529 --> 00:52:13,831
Yes.

733
00:52:13,831 --> 00:52:16,200
Vice chair champagne.

734
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:16,367
Yes.

735
00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:17,702
Councilor Henry.

736
00:52:17,702 --> 00:52:17,768
Yes.

737
00:52:17,768 --> 00:52:20,171
And chair Palumbo.

738
00:52:20,171 --> 00:52:20,271
Yes.

739
00:52:20,271 --> 00:52:20,838
Motion passes 7 to 0.

740
00:52:20,838 --> 00:52:23,941
Thank you, Jeff.

741
00:52:23,941 --> 00:52:25,900
All right.

742
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:35,253
Moving on the award of a contract to Douglas Higgins in for the Collier Boulevard, alternate like Lane Project in amount of 200 excuse me, 2 million, 929,000 $967.

743
00:52:35,253 --> 00:52:37,321
Justin Martin, director of Department of Public Works to present.

744
00:52:37,321 --> 00:52:38,990
Thank you.

745
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:55,720
Just anything council as mentioned, Justin Martin public works and you've seen this item here It is the alternate bike lanes for to Collier Boulevard and it's called alternate Collier Boulevard alternate because it's an alternate north-south

746
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,375
route.

747
00:52:57,375 --> 00:53:10,888
On parallel roads to Collier Boulevard which allows bicycle traffic not to be on Collier Boulevard, but on the lesser used parallel side streets.

748
00:53:10,888 --> 00:53:15,260
And the this this is part of the shared pass and bike lanes.

749
00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:18,620
Master plan approved by the Collier County Mpo.

750
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:19,564
It's 100% reimburse.

751
00:53:19,564 --> 00:53:27,138
The construction of it is 100% reimbursed by FDOT mine FDOT grant that has already been secured.

752
00:53:27,138 --> 00:53:35,646
This received FDOT approval to proceed with the bidding and received FDOT approval to proceed with the contract award.

753
00:53:35,646 --> 00:53:42,954
This project is the South segment of 8 to segment component Project.

754
00:53:42,954 --> 00:53:51,162
And the South segment includes Peru Street, which is a length of street between Winterberry in.

755
00:53:51,162 --> 00:54:08,145
And see great and includes the entirety of see great drive and the with the exception of the and cul-de-sac there at the North end and the entirety of Swallow Avenue which has a wide right away.

756
00:54:08,145 --> 00:54:20,391
This project will not remove any of the newly planted trees on Swallow Avenue, which has what right away as mentioned, the future X filtration swells will also fit in the right away with a new bike lanes.

757
00:54:20,391 --> 00:54:34,739
And the city will seek to rebid the North segment, which includes portions of Amazon Court castaways Court center court and Green Briar Street in the future pending FDOT approval.

758
00:54:34,739 --> 00:54:37,875
The project includes water and sewer relocations as needed and driveway.

759
00:54:37,875 --> 00:54:38,142
Accommodations.

760
00:54:38,142 --> 00:54:45,116
The center portion landmark Street between San Marco Road in Winterberry Drive is existing.

761
00:54:45,116 --> 00:54:46,500
This is constructed over 6 years ago.

762
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:55,459
So this is another the component to complete that alternate north-south bike lanes to Collier Boulevard.

763
00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:57,940
And with that, I'll be glad to take any questions.

764
00:54:57,495 --> 00:54:57,695
Thank you.

765
00:54:57,695 --> 00:54:59,630
Justin Councils, one.

766
00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:03,134
Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve this as presented.

767
00:55:03,134 --> 00:55:14,712
The most important thing we do is councilors is to keep our residents and our guests safe and the bike lane and getting people off from Collier Boulevard is key to this.

768
00:55:14,712 --> 00:55:18,883
And this is being fully funded by FDOT.

769
00:55:18,883 --> 00:55:23,200
And if we would accept this, this will put his to the back of the line with all these issues.

770
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:32,129
And as our and P o Board Council rep to I would highly recommend we approve and I hope we have a second time this second.

771
00:55:32,129 --> 00:55:34,980
Thank you.

772
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:37,201
Concert tonight, we have a motion by council shore on a second by counsel.

773
00:55:37,201 --> 00:55:42,506
see some more light Science Council Rechnitz.

774
00:55:42,506 --> 00:55:46,711
I'm going by memory.

775
00:55:46,711 --> 00:55:51,182
Which is always dangerous for me.

776
00:55:51,182 --> 00:56:00,257
Didn't we have another grant on on this project some time ago.

777
00:56:00,257 --> 00:56:01,692
may be 1.5 million.

778
00:56:01,692 --> 00:56:05,162
We started off with that grant amount.

779
00:56:05,162 --> 00:56:05,329
Yeah.

780
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:13,237
And as the design progressed, saw that there needed to be watermain new locations.

781
00:56:13,237 --> 00:56:14,405
The costs went up.

782
00:56:14,405 --> 00:56:16,730
we requested an increase to the grant amount from DOT.

783
00:56:16,474 --> 00:56:17,475
They approved it.

784
00:56:17,475 --> 00:56:21,445
We went out a bit.

785
00:56:21,445 --> 00:56:27,170
The bids came in higher than That revise grant amount.

786
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:35,793
And subsequent to that requested another grant increase, DOT approved that grant increase.

787
00:56:35,793 --> 00:56:37,695
And we went out to Ben again.

788
00:56:37,695 --> 00:56:55,450
And here we are with the final product now, which has 100% grant funding to cover what's in this portion of the that I commend you for all Ish and it needs to be done what about original 1.5 million.

789
00:56:55,279 --> 00:56:57,882
What has happened to that?

790
00:56:57,882 --> 00:57:00,500
That's part of the 5.1 which is in this DOT grant.

791
00:57:00,217 --> 00:57:05,489
So every time they got increased, it didn't go away.

792
00:57:05,489 --> 00:57:07,910
It just wasn't there.

793
00:57:07,391 --> 00:57:14,765
Also a grant back in 2023 at 900 and some $1000.

794
00:57:14,765 --> 00:57:19,670
There was an original 1.5 And then there was an additional 2.3, I believe.

795
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:25,109
And now we're up to total cumulative.

796
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:35,519
5.1 million which covers is I drove the Swallow Avenue portion yesterday and got and and walked in, looked at this Wales, which are on the list to be.

797
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:41,580
To be fixed.

798
00:57:41,580 --> 00:57:47,231
And the new trees that have just been put by the Beautification committee.

799
00:57:47,231 --> 00:57:50,901
And they go most of the way, all the way down to.

800
00:57:50,901 --> 00:57:53,300
To the end of the street.

801
00:57:53,300 --> 00:57:57,408
But not quite.

802
00:57:57,408 --> 00:58:02,460
What makes you think there's enough room to Putin about bike lane without affecting this?

803
00:58:02,379 --> 00:58:08,953
construction and or affect the trees plants.

804
00:58:08,953 --> 00:58:11,121
100 foot right-of-way and Swallow Avenue.

805
00:58:11,121 --> 00:58:15,326
It's one of our white right of ways.

806
00:58:15,326 --> 00:58:19,230
This added plan and that includes the where the trees are planted includes were the swells?

807
00:58:19,230 --> 00:58:23,400
Are?

808
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,603
Yet the swells that are there now?

809
00:58:25,603 --> 00:58:30,740
What's planned is and what you approved last month was the design for export ration swells right?

810
00:58:30,441 --> 00:58:33,844
That design will take into account this project.

811
00:58:33,844 --> 00:58:43,420
So those exit ration swells will be constructed in a location that already takes this project into account.

812
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:46,357
What about the trees?

813
00:58:46,357 --> 00:58:48,920
The ex filtration did didn't take into account the trees because they work.

814
00:58:48,259 --> 00:58:51,562
They weren't plant, right?

815
00:58:51,562 --> 00:58:56,834
There's doesn't 27 trees and the this project can accommodate those trees.

816
00:58:56,834 --> 00:59:01,305
Also, there's plenty of right away and swale area to be able to accommodate that.

817
00:59:01,305 --> 00:59:05,376
Bush or look like it OK?

818
00:59:05,376 --> 00:59:09,460
Vice chair shipping?

819
00:59:09,413 --> 00:59:10,470
Yes, good presentation.

820
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:13,484
I happen to support the project of soon.

821
00:59:13,484 --> 00:59:20,240
If we approve it, how soon can start and how long will it take to complete?

822
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:25,863
Well, the next step after this would be to submitted DOT for approval of the contract award.

823
00:59:25,863 --> 00:59:29,767
Once we have their approval.

824
00:59:29,767 --> 00:59:34,505
Then it is issuing a notice proceed to the contractor and based on their availability.

825
00:59:34,505 --> 00:59:40,770
We established that notice proceed 8, which will then start the clock on the contract time for this to be constructed.

826
00:59:40,477 --> 00:59:47,551
But the goal is to have this done this fiscal year because the grant funds go through this fiscal year.

827
00:59:47,551 --> 00:59:47,651
Good.

828
00:59:47,651 --> 00:59:51,655
Thank you.

829
00:59:51,655 --> 00:59:52,790
Counselor.

830
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:55,726
Justin, thank you for your presentation.

831
00:59:55,726 --> 00:59:57,728
Constitution pain just my questions.

832
00:59:57,728 --> 01:00:03,670
My last question would be what would be the disruption for the roads on the clear Boulevard.

833
01:00:03,670 --> 01:00:05,636
And Collier practically none.

834
01:00:05,636 --> 01:00:09,974
This is not a well on this.

835
01:00:09,974 --> 01:00:10,641
on swallow.

836
01:00:10,641 --> 01:00:10,708
Again.

837
01:00:10,708 --> 01:00:14,110
This is going to be on the roadsides existing pavement.

838
01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:15,579
That's their We're adding pavement.

839
01:00:15,579 --> 01:00:24,755
So we're adding bike lanes on each side and that that can be done without money without impacting the two-way traffic.

840
01:00:24,755 --> 01:00:33,163
There may be some shifting temporarily as they do the construction there, but it will be able to maintain two-way traffic on swallow.

841
01:00:33,163 --> 01:00:38,802
Thank Kallstrom 40 going take a step my real quick.

842
01:00:38,802 --> 01:00:41,572
First of all, thank you so much for the work on this.

843
01:00:41,572 --> 01:00:42,606
I appreciated.

844
01:00:42,606 --> 01:00:45,900
I think this is a great idea.

845
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:45,900
Also counsels one.

846
01:00:45,342 --> 01:00:49,380
Thank you for your time on the mpo your produce an actual tangible results.

847
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:52,490
When I run down the street and I see a speed limit and I see things.

848
01:00:52,249 --> 01:00:54,318
So I greatly appreciate that, too.

849
01:00:54,318 --> 01:00:56,320
I would have made a motion a second chair.

850
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:57,254
Not because this is such a worthy cause.

851
01:00:57,254 --> 01:00:59,656
think with that councils want.

852
01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:06,530
Yes, I did just want to remind all of us here in council and there are rules of procedure.

853
01:01:06,530 --> 01:01:06,930
Section 7.

854
01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:16,730
If you go to number 10 under be 10, just reminder to all of us to try to keep meetings moving quicker.

855
01:01:16,730 --> 01:01:18,909
So we're not going into 4 hours.

856
01:01:18,909 --> 01:01:35,492
So under 10, it encourages says as counsel to please ask many questions in advance to City Hall prior to these meetings because I think certainly these questions that were just bought out could have been asked previously because its past history.

857
01:01:35,492 --> 01:01:36,727
So just to kind reminder, thank you.

858
01:01:36,727 --> 01:01:37,861
Thank you.

859
01:01:37,861 --> 01:01:38,929
Council on it.

860
01:01:38,929 --> 01:01:42,733
They do have the right to ask him here in the public forum that they might want a reason for them to be brought to the public.

861
01:01:42,733 --> 01:01:44,435
So that is their prerogative.

862
01:01:44,435 --> 01:01:50,841
But we are moving along pretty good in this meeting, folks that Council Council great.

863
01:01:50,841 --> 01:01:51,809
I just want respond to that.

864
01:01:51,809 --> 01:02:01,285
There remains questions are for the benefit of the community because when you read this documents, it doesn't scream the answers and the perceptions and the reality a situation.

865
01:02:01,285 --> 01:02:07,991
So I understand following the charter, but this is really about making sure that communities informed correctly about the decisions we're making.

866
01:02:07,991 --> 01:02:08,920
Thank you.

867
01:02:08,192 --> 01:02:08,625
Thank you.

868
01:02:08,625 --> 01:02:09,860
Council.

869
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:10,627
fun place.

870
01:02:10,627 --> 01:02:17,334
Quickly, Yes, quickly, I would say also we do have the duty to our citizens.

871
01:02:17,334 --> 01:02:18,102
They are turning this off.

872
01:02:18,102 --> 01:02:18,335
They're not.

873
01:02:18,335 --> 01:02:20,300
They're leaving the room.

874
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:21,710
We have these for our meetings.

875
01:02:21,305 --> 01:02:28,479
So we do have that duty to be fair facilitators and movies, timely meetings.

876
01:02:28,479 --> 01:02:29,460
That's why bring it up.

877
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:29,790
But I agree.

878
01:02:29,213 --> 01:02:32,883
I understand what you're saying.

879
01:02:32,883 --> 01:02:34,451
Counterpoint and I agree with that as well.

880
01:02:34,451 --> 01:02:45,950
There are actually some past councils that actually booked more meeting so they make meeting timelines sufficiently, respectable the community and still allowed for comprehensive conversation as we could follow something council communication.

881
01:02:45,729 --> 01:02:50,200
If you like Jones, anybody signed up for public speaking on this.

882
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,350
There is there is one member of the public.

883
01:02:52,350 --> 01:03:00,978
It's Mister Allen who would like to How are you use?

884
01:03:00,978 --> 01:03:04,681
Go 15.

885
01:03:04,681 --> 01:03:05,282
45 Serrano.

886
01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:08,886
Socal probably a lifetime rose to chair the bypass committee.

887
01:03:08,886 --> 01:03:15,759
I just want express support This particular.

888
01:03:15,759 --> 01:03:19,163
Lane, the Poly open, very important to get the traffic Wolf of Collier Boulevard.

889
01:03:19,163 --> 01:03:25,836
It was originally envisioned as one continuous Lane extending landmark to the north and to the South.

890
01:03:25,836 --> 01:03:29,673
But I strongly support breaking it up.

891
01:03:29,673 --> 01:03:38,782
Because when we did the traffic surveys in the bicycle surveys, we found out the traffic on that South segment is 5 to 10 times what it is on the North segment.

892
01:03:38,782 --> 01:03:45,220
And that's just because you have so many condos down there and they will channel into that one little segment on swallow between.

893
01:03:45,220 --> 01:03:46,924
See great and Collier.

894
01:03:46,924 --> 01:03:51,895
anybody to go anywhere, you have to go to that little half block segment.

895
01:03:51,895 --> 01:03:53,430
So all the costs go up.

896
01:03:53,430 --> 01:03:56,800
See great little bicycles go up, see break.

897
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:04,942
So I strongly support this and we're not going forget about the North segment and there are multiple ways to follow up and try to get that done afterwards.

898
01:04:04,942 --> 01:04:11,810
But it's worth while to get this locked in on the way because it is a dangerous area.

899
01:04:11,810 --> 01:04:11,810
Thank you.

900
01:04:11,582 --> 01:04:11,782
Thank you.

901
01:04:11,782 --> 01:04:13,500
Thank you for all you've done for us.

902
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:15,520
Yes, they make one comment.

903
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,920
Police And none of the sidewalk projects.

904
01:04:22,292 --> 01:04:26,129
What did pup would have been possible without al music?

905
01:04:26,129 --> 01:04:33,604
Oh, yes, Doing it for years.

906
01:04:33,604 --> 01:04:37,874
now we have we appreciate you and what you've done.

907
01:04:37,874 --> 01:04:39,810
Well said, Mister Chair, a former Mister Chair for giving.

908
01:04:39,810 --> 01:04:41,612
I just can't get past me.

909
01:04:41,612 --> 01:04:42,479
Joe, would you call the roll?

910
01:04:42,479 --> 01:04:46,483
Please?

911
01:04:46,483 --> 01:04:49,586
Counselors tried s.

912
01:04:49,586 --> 01:04:50,200
Councilor Henry.

913
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,489
Yes.

914
01:04:52,489 --> 01:04:53,560
Councilor packed next.

915
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,625
Yes.

916
01:04:54,625 --> 01:04:58,629
Councilor gray Councilor Kohler.

917
01:04:58,629 --> 01:04:59,496
Yes, vice chair champagne.

918
01:04:59,496 --> 01:05:00,864
Yes.

919
01:05:00,864 --> 01:05:03,700
And chair Palumbo, yes.

920
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:04,670
Motion passes 7 to 0.

921
01:05:04,268 --> 01:05:08,505
Thank you.

922
01:05:08,505 --> 01:05:16,213
Your of 15 F a well, guys, put this at the end of the gender for a reason.

923
01:05:16,213 --> 01:05:17,470
I thought it's going to take a bit of time.

924
01:05:17,180 --> 01:05:20,117
So we have plenty of it.

925
01:05:20,117 --> 01:05:22,286
Item 15 f review of the public private partnership.

926
01:05:22,286 --> 01:05:28,725
He 3 proposal from still in development Corporation title coastal Habitat and Water Development Seahawk initiative.

927
01:05:28,725 --> 01:05:32,620
As we all know it, it's going to be also presented just Martin.

928
01:05:32,195 --> 01:05:34,498
Justin, please.

929
01:05:34,498 --> 01:05:37,601
Or do we need John, we to read this into record?

930
01:05:37,601 --> 01:05:42,139
No, there's nothing like it.

931
01:05:42,139 --> 01:05:44,700
Justin, Again, Council just Martin public works.

932
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:54,318
And yet the item before you is the waterway stretching public private partnership proposal by Earth works and in Camp.

933
01:05:54,318 --> 01:06:04,961
The water quality has been a constant topic of concern in the waterways Advisory Committee in 2018, the city hired to real whole to to analyze nitrogen levels in the city's waterways.

934
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:06,960
Results of that analysis.

935
01:06:06,596 --> 01:06:13,704
Analysis was presented to city Council in March of 2019 during the first of 2 water quality workshops at that time.

936
01:06:13,704 --> 01:06:19,576
In April of 2019 at the second Water Quality Workshop.

937
01:06:19,576 --> 01:06:28,180
The the Waterways Advisory Committee chair recommended a nutrient source study in August of 2019 review.

938
01:06:28,180 --> 01:06:42,499
The nutrient levels in the surface waters and issued a letter indicating that Marco Island that the marquam water body was added to the impaired list for nitrogen and requires a which is total maximum daily load limit.

939
01:06:42,499 --> 01:06:52,709
The city then commission a nutrient source evaluation study the an rfq process and selected a consultant and awarded the $200,000 Study in December of 2019.

940
01:06:52,709 --> 01:06:59,549
The study was completed in September of 2021, the study indicated that release of nutrients.

941
01:06:59,549 --> 01:07:16,660
From the canal bottom sediments accounts for 70% nutrients in the water easement put up that a chart that was presented here in July at Water Quality Workshop.

942
01:07:17,868 --> 01:07:21,638
So you can see there that the pie chart on the right is 70 an area.

943
01:07:21,638 --> 01:07:25,409
Oops.

944
01:07:25,409 --> 01:07:38,622
Is an area represent 70% of this settlement in the city's waterways, which is embedded in the nutrients of the canal bottoms.

945
01:07:38,622 --> 01:07:47,664
The study, the nutrient Evaluation study, Justin, part of an image of Martin.

946
01:07:47,664 --> 01:07:49,650
If you get a chance, he council fragments, the screen has gone down.

947
01:07:49,266 --> 01:07:53,170
Maybe take a quick look at it.

948
01:07:53,170 --> 01:07:53,837
Just give us a second.

949
01:07:53,837 --> 01:08:03,380
I'm sorry about Turner.

950
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:09,786
It comes Marvel but the but the expert take take a stab at it.

951
01:08:09,786 --> 01:08:15,425
Just if you could, please okay.

952
01:08:15,425 --> 01:08:21,631
The study provided a comprehensive list of recommendations for implementation.

953
01:08:21,631 --> 01:08:31,675
Number one was dredging to remove the embedded nutrients in the canal bottom sediments.

954
01:08:31,675 --> 01:08:35,780
Or come out of and take care We got a big enough.

955
01:08:35,780 --> 01:08:35,780
All right.

956
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:36,847
Justin will keep this moving.

957
01:08:36,847 --> 01:08:39,850
We got a screen to share for the moment.

958
01:08:39,850 --> 01:08:40,830
Sorry for the interruption.

959
01:08:40,484 --> 01:08:51,424
So as as mentioned, the nutrient evaluation study had a comprehensive list of recommendations for implementation.

960
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,664
One of them being dredging to remove the embedded nutrients in the canal.

961
01:08:54,664 --> 01:08:57,901
Bottom sediments.

962
01:08:57,901 --> 01:09:08,912
Another once well improvements to detain runoff soil infiltration and do not nation, which that took the form of exploitation swells as what we're doing now.

963
01:09:08,912 --> 01:09:13,984
Number 3 was in screens is what we're putting in our storm water in.

964
01:09:13,984 --> 01:09:20,724
That's to catch that leaves grass clippings.

965
01:09:20,724 --> 01:09:25,128
Any landscape, debris from work from being screened before it gets into waterways.

966
01:09:25,128 --> 01:09:32,200
Number 4 was property owners stormwater management or what was then known as rain Gardens.

967
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,171
Number 5 was seepage management.

968
01:09:35,171 --> 01:09:38,575
And this modifications that the seawalls to have been done by homeowners.

969
01:09:38,575 --> 01:09:41,645
Number 6 was reclaimed water.

970
01:09:41,645 --> 01:09:49,953
Reuse application rate management alternate disposals, an educational program, nutrient reduction in Overspray region reduction.

971
01:09:49,953 --> 01:09:54,190
Number 7, improve Recirculation, also known as title Flushing.

972
01:09:54,190 --> 01:10:01,731
So these are recommendations from that 500 page study, which was a nutrient source evaluation.

973
01:10:01,731 --> 01:10:11,708
Number 8, fertilizer and landscape management application management of fertilizer, eliminate grass clippings and landscape debris going into the canals.

974
01:10:11,708 --> 01:10:18,748
And number recommend that they recommended a stormwater utility to fund all the water quality remediation improvements.

975
01:10:18,748 --> 01:10:27,791
The recommendations and quartered incorporated into our incorporated into a Matrix which is incuded in every public works monthly departmental report.

976
01:10:27,791 --> 01:10:42,706
The city prepared and submitted the Category 4 E alternate water quality plan in Louisville ATM video where state mandate mandated water quality improvements, testing reports and spending would have been imposed by the state DP.

977
01:10:42,706 --> 01:10:49,713
So the category for you plan includes the recommended actions from the nutrient study.

978
01:10:49,713 --> 01:10:59,356
And the nutrients or study the hydrodynamic study for title Flushing in the evaluation of nutrients study as it relates reuse water is available online and city's website.

979
01:10:59,356 --> 01:11:17,207
The city the city received an unsolicited public private partnership proposal for the dredging component of the aforementioned comprehensive water quality Restoration Action plan from Earthworks end cap initiative in the proposal is titled Seahawk.

980
01:11:17,207 --> 01:11:26,216
The Public-Private Partnership Statute allows for the municipality to hire a consultant to review the proposal reimbursed by the Proposer.

981
01:11:26,216 --> 01:11:34,190
The city hired subsequently hired Homestead and more to evaluate the proposal, send more and their team of experts are here, too.

982
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:39,290
Present the findings of the ripples valuation and answer any questions.

983
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:42,732
Earthworks an end cap are also here to present their proposal and answer any questions.

984
01:11:42,732 --> 01:11:57,800
City Council is asked to listen to the presentations and participate by asking questions and then direct staff to for that for to further actions regarding any potential agreement for proceeding and with that, I'd like to turn it over to hot

985
01:11:57,247 --> 01:11:57,414
Dr.

986
01:11:57,414 --> 01:11:57,981
Mohammed Dabees of Homs.

987
01:11:57,981 --> 01:12:04,540
That and more for the consultancy evaluation of the proposal.

988
01:12:04,154 --> 01:12:06,890
Thank you, Justin.

989
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:10,293
Talk to the beach area today.

990
01:12:10,293 --> 01:12:10,860
for the record.

991
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:22,505
Muhammad to be some Sunday morning, years had Justin's introduction and we the a similar view team here.

992
01:12:22,505 --> 01:12:26,543
Debbie well.

993
01:12:26,543 --> 01:12:31,470
Represent a brief presentation Fuller, our teams presentation.

994
01:12:31,114 --> 01:12:39,155
And then then she and the rest of the team would be available for as we can to make for a nice place.

995
01:12:39,155 --> 01:12:41,224
To become please identify yourself.

996
01:12:41,224 --> 01:12:41,691
Yes, Debbie mad.

997
01:12:41,691 --> 01:12:44,794
And then with the law from going stir.

998
01:12:44,794 --> 01:12:47,964
Good evening Chair Vice Chair City Council.

999
01:12:47,964 --> 01:12:54,370
It's a privilege represent you tonight and share our thoughts setting the table just a little background.

1000
01:12:54,370 --> 01:13:04,881
We're talking about the unsolicited Pete, 3 proposal that you all received the proposal in 10 students address water, quality improvements from nutrient rich sediments.

1001
01:13:04,881 --> 01:13:08,952
can now bottoms.

1002
01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:23,990
As you all know, there's extensive canal network on this island constructed in the 1960's and this project would involve dredging the center part of the canals, not seawall the seawall, but focusing on the center part of the canals and then

1003
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:34,978
making beneficial reuse of the sediments from that dredging effort to build mangrove islands, which would be habitat for Birds and wildlife.

1004
01:13:34,978 --> 01:13:47,524
As Muhammad mentioned, this team here tonight, we have homes to more engineers, Mohammed dabees Terrell Phone associates covering the biology ecology aspects of this proposal.

1005
01:13:47,524 --> 01:13:57,000
Tim Hall and my real name Jean de La Tom and of Derby with cancer.

1006
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:09,512
without going into lot of detail here, we review the 50 page proposal that you all received from the Seahawk team and sent our questions on the topics listed here on the slide, course, in much more detail.

1007
01:14:09,512 --> 01:14:12,482
But that's in our experience.

1008
01:14:12,482 --> 01:14:20,990
These were the topics that we would wanted to learn more about in evaluating the pros and cons of this proposal.

1009
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:25,228
Following that we met with the Seahawk team.

1010
01:14:25,228 --> 01:14:27,831
And discussed our questions and their responses.

1011
01:14:27,831 --> 01:14:33,903
And then we received written responses from the Seahawk team.

1012
01:14:33,903 --> 01:14:46,820
Just last month we completed our review report sticking closely to the statutory mandate in section to 55 Point '06, 5, per in 3 per 5.

1013
01:14:46,616 --> 01:14:56,192
And so I'm gonna go over these bulleted items which are the statutory items and findings as to each one.

1014
01:14:56,192 --> 01:15:00,697
So the material quality standards were evaluated from what was presented.

1015
01:15:00,697 --> 01:15:12,775
And we found that the assurance was incomplete while the materials like vinyl seawall, rip rap and plant types are typical of these types of projects.

1016
01:15:12,775 --> 01:15:23,186
Questions remained about sediment, quality stability in volumes for the Mangrove islands and sources of outside material like sand and Rep Rep were not provided.

1017
01:15:23,186 --> 01:15:32,595
The team also had an answer questions about the mechanical dredging techniques proposed that would be used in conjunction with fluid canal sediments.

1018
01:15:32,595 --> 01:15:41,504
the concern was avoiding the spreading of find sediments in that process.

1019
01:15:41,504 --> 01:15:42,438
On the next item.

1020
01:15:42,438 --> 01:15:49,412
The budget estimate we were provided that the budget estimate was not to exceed 60 million dollars.

1021
01:15:49,412 --> 01:15:59,550
And that would cover permitting construction and 3 years of post-construction monitoring.

1022
01:15:59,222 --> 01:16:05,795
The team reviewing found that there was a lack of detail and how this budget was determined.

1023
01:16:05,795 --> 01:16:10,990
There was a somewhat lacking detail of how it how to establish the pre agreed.

1024
01:16:10,199 --> 01:16:12,402
City funding amount.

1025
01:16:12,402 --> 01:16:23,613
There was a discussion of grants and the proposal, but generally the team did not know which grants would be pursued and what requirements this would have.

1026
01:16:23,613 --> 01:16:27,116
What also on the budget topic.

1027
01:16:27,116 --> 01:16:34,257
They're the proposal included a one percent retention of payments until completion.

1028
01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:41,164
And the team noted that this was lower than the industry standard for dredging and marine projects.

1029
01:16:41,164 --> 01:16:46,402
And finally, long-term operation and maintenance costs would be the city's responsibility.

1030
01:16:46,402 --> 01:16:55,144
And those costs were not estimated in the proposal other than the Proposer told us that they were expected to be minimal.

1031
01:16:55,144 --> 01:17:07,724
However, we thought that the city could should consider the operation and maintenance costs of final seawall material, vegetation, maintenance, post-hurricane inspection and repair and the need for future canal maintenance.

1032
01:17:07,724 --> 01:17:11,940
Through dredging.

1033
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:13,863
sorry, I have a couple more there.

1034
01:17:13,863 --> 01:17:17,660
go There we Thank you.

1035
01:17:17,233 --> 01:17:18,100
All right.

1036
01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:22,138
Moving on to the design and construction schedule.

1037
01:17:22,138 --> 01:17:25,308
The schedules left somewhat vague.

1038
01:17:25,308 --> 01:17:33,216
The proposal or a asked us to assume that there would be one to 2 years of design and permitting 2 years for dredging an island construction.

1039
01:17:33,216 --> 01:17:39,622
One year for planting of the islands and 3 years of post-construction monitoring.

1040
01:17:39,622 --> 01:17:45,161
In our experience, the schedule is optimistic, but feasible.

1041
01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:52,101
And given the location of the islands and the dredging happening at the same time, it could be feasible.

1042
01:17:52,101 --> 01:18:03,346
And then item of from the statute was evaluation of assurance of sustainable design and construction standards consistent with public projects.

1043
01:18:03,346 --> 01:18:07,784
The project design is to conceptual at this moment for U.S.

1044
01:18:07,784 --> 01:18:14,724
to opine on whether this is sustainable design and construction standards consistent with public projects.

1045
01:18:14,724 --> 01:18:29,939
The team raised concerns about potential deepening of canals that can make the low flushing capacity worse and the establishment of mangrove islands in the canals hasn't been studied to ensure the bio accumulation of sediment and nutrients in

1046
01:18:29,939 --> 01:18:34,377
the canals is not made worse.

1047
01:18:34,377 --> 01:18:40,116
The team also laid out some other considerations are risks to consider and we can do it.

1048
01:18:40,116 --> 01:18:40,550
Elaborate further.

1049
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:49,358
If you have any questions, these centered on the design concept ensuring that the water quality objective is meant alternatives.

1050
01:18:49,358 --> 01:18:55,231
Analysis, which would be part of the permitting process was not provided in the proposal.

1051
01:18:55,231 --> 01:19:02,939
Also long-term costs, which I mentioned earlier, considering that the long-term operation maintenance with city's costs.

1052
01:19:02,939 --> 01:19:07,910
Acetic some public interests.

1053
01:19:07,910 --> 01:19:17,860
discussion the proposal was insufficient as to whether the Mangrove Islands would be excepted by the public and then the lack of precedent was a concern.

1054
01:19:17,860 --> 01:19:23,493
The proposal did not include similar projects of scale or a pilot success.

1055
01:19:23,493 --> 01:19:33,350
And so on that note, if you have any questions, we have the team here or I can turn it over to the next presenter.

1056
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:35,338
Well, thank you for presentation to have one question for now.

1057
01:19:35,338 --> 01:19:42,311
Made love some after the next presentation Council Thank This might be for any one of the attorneys.

1058
01:19:42,311 --> 01:19:43,546
I'm under the impression an attorney.

1059
01:19:43,546 --> 01:19:54,230
So I can assure you of Deltona Settlement Agreement of 1982 prohibits creation of any new lands in this jurisdiction.

1060
01:19:54,230 --> 01:19:56,580
fact, the creations for all islands would violate that settlement.

1061
01:19:56,580 --> 01:20:00,963
Can anybody opine on that?

1062
01:20:00,963 --> 01:20:03,990
Let I don't have a full answer.

1063
01:20:03,699 --> 01:20:13,876
I know that there are state lands, restoration projects that there's a difference between spoil islands and restoration projects that are not developed land.

1064
01:20:13,876 --> 01:20:23,819
So I may be a Thanks Hi, Tim Hall, a trial Holland Associates and I was going to just expand with Debbie said there's.

1065
01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:42,171
That there's a differentiation between restoration or habitat enhancement versus development lands developed that Deltona Settlement Agreement precludes the creation of any new development plans, but it's not.

1066
01:20:42,171 --> 01:20:47,276
Clear there's no really definition in terms of whether or not land could be created for habitat enhancement.

1067
01:20:47,276 --> 01:20:49,645
The state has done that in other areas within the Deltona area.

1068
01:20:49,645 --> 01:20:57,787
So you know, it's it's a may go more of a legal issue.

1069
01:20:57,787 --> 01:21:01,457
But right now the the prohibition is specifically to develop plans.

1070
01:21:01,457 --> 01:21:07,960
It could be subject to litigation debate over whether or not he create it could that looking for.

1071
01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:08,864
Thank you.

1072
01:21:08,864 --> 01:21:13,336
10 suspects.

1073
01:21:13,336 --> 01:21:14,700
I agree with counselor agree.

1074
01:21:14,237 --> 01:21:16,572
I I took a look at that 1982.

1075
01:21:16,572 --> 01:21:20,676
Document as well.

1076
01:21:20,676 --> 01:21:30,620
And it does prohibit the creation of a a new land, dozen doesn't specify what kind of land.

1077
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:33,550
So I think it's something that we need to be.

1078
01:21:33,256 --> 01:21:40,229
Riley concerned about.

1079
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:43,699
Any thoughts on this before we proceed?

1080
01:21:43,699 --> 01:21:51,307
No, sir, I think you just keep we may come back to as I see no other Thank you for now.

1081
01:21:51,307 --> 01:21:52,708
I'm sure we'll have you back up for some more questions.

1082
01:21:52,708 --> 01:21:52,875
Thank Mr.

1083
01:21:52,875 --> 01:21:58,881
Chair.

1084
01:21:58,881 --> 01:22:04,587
Council now following will be the Proposer earthworks an end cap.

1085
01:22:04,587 --> 01:22:05,154
Mr.

1086
01:22:05,154 --> 01:22:10,293
Bartos here to represent them.

1087
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:11,727
Good evening outside Dan Davies.

1088
01:22:11,727 --> 01:22:12,940
The principal for work.

1089
01:22:12,328 --> 01:22:16,899
So looking about.

1090
01:22:16,899 --> 01:22:26,800
Briefly on the Deltona Settlement Agreement, the certainly does on so compliance is going be demonstrators part of the project.

1091
01:22:26,409 --> 01:22:30,946
I think that that would be something that we would have to cross as part of the environmental permitting.

1092
01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:34,617
In fact, most DP level permitting in this area.

1093
01:22:34,617 --> 01:22:35,551
Brings into play that document.

1094
01:22:35,551 --> 01:22:36,850
And so that would come through in the process.

1095
01:22:36,519 --> 01:22:41,924
I think that is maybe the right way to set the table as far as the way we see where this is in them process.

1096
01:22:41,924 --> 01:22:47,530
This is a proposal at a conceptual level, too.

1097
01:22:47,530 --> 01:22:49,532
Get to design and get to permitting.

1098
01:22:49,532 --> 01:23:02,712
And so today and and really any proposal where you're going to be designing a full project, it's not typical for the engineering company to show up with the fully design project all the permits and say, hey, here you go.

1099
01:23:02,712 --> 01:23:04,947
Here's everything.

1100
01:23:04,947 --> 01:23:06,480
Let's move forward.

1101
01:23:06,182 --> 01:23:11,620
Instead, what we're doing is saying we've reviewed the history of the analysis of the problems that have been identified that I believe Mr.

1102
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:17,493
Martin articulated very well and here's a concept way in which this could be done.

1103
01:23:17,493 --> 01:23:23,265
Third-party review is accomplished to look at what is the feasibility of the concept in the way that we're looking at?

1104
01:23:23,265 --> 01:23:25,701
A lot of the feedback there is more details needed.

1105
01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:35,277
And of course, more details provided in the engineering and permitting and Lamb pointed out here is I think it's important to back up and look at the proposed deal structure.

1106
01:23:35,277 --> 01:23:47,560
The proposed deal structure is that all of the design and permitting will be done at risk by the proposer and so and after that point after the completion of the actual permitting peace, the city will have the opportunity at that point to find

1107
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,794
that it's not in the best interest to proceed and would be able to not proceed at that point.

1108
01:23:51,794 --> 01:24:03,873
And so the way that we're looking at this is you have invest and spend a lot of time and effort ends tax dollars trying to identify the problem.

1109
01:24:03,873 --> 01:24:04,390
Proposes.

1110
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:06,800
Looked at that and said, okay, we can take this to the next step.

1111
01:24:06,375 --> 01:24:11,800
We can design a solution to this.

1112
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:22,291
And and really at the current stage, the question is, should we let the proposer take that risk for the city to get to that point many times in the city's decision-making processes.

1113
01:24:22,291 --> 01:24:27,830
You will design a project all the way through and then did it and then decide whether or not you can do it.

1114
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:29,999
But at that point, you've already paid for the design.

1115
01:24:29,999 --> 01:24:30,990
You paid for the permanent.

1116
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:41,744
You've walked through all this and you've spent money and sometimes you decide not to move forward here if you decided not to move forward at that point, the city is not actually in Carney, financial obligations and that point.

1117
01:24:41,744 --> 01:24:53,989
And that's so what I'm seeing and what I see in that review is these are all good guide rails for what could be in the comprehensive agreement to make sure that all of the various concerns that we have are addressed by we I mean, you, the city

1118
01:24:53,989 --> 01:24:59,528
has can be addressed in a comprehensive agreement so that you're going to get the product that you won't hear.

1119
01:24:59,528 --> 01:25:08,804
I think when we look at the history of this discussion back to 2018 forward, the reason why it's hard to get because you all went to bid.

1120
01:25:08,804 --> 01:25:09,772
You did an rfq to try to solve this problem.

1121
01:25:09,772 --> 01:25:19,181
You generally get responses that work for the city in part because this is very hard problem and it's a very complicated solve.

1122
01:25:19,181 --> 01:25:27,890
And so the project proposal has to be scalable has to be able adjust to the real conditions, but get that those data points.

1123
01:25:27,890 --> 01:25:29,580
Real investment has to be made to figure those things out.

1124
01:25:29,492 --> 01:25:32,328
Every single canal is going to have to be analyzed individually for design.

1125
01:25:32,328 --> 01:25:33,950
Some canals will not need dredging.

1126
01:25:33,562 --> 01:25:34,630
Some will need more dredging than others.

1127
01:25:34,463 --> 01:25:38,000
And all of that can be done and what we're proposing.

1128
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,710
And it's certainly there's any number of possible answers here.

1129
01:25:42,710 --> 01:25:50,790
But what Earth looks is proposing is that the negotiations continue so that they can get those answers to you at their risk.

1130
01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:53,849
The I think that is 8 really interesting offer.

1131
01:25:53,849 --> 01:25:57,419
I think it allows the city to get real data to make this decision.

1132
01:25:57,419 --> 01:25:58,921
I think it's putting you in a position.

1133
01:25:58,921 --> 01:26:12,701
It is unique because there is almost no other situation where a contractor comes to you and says we'll go figure this out for you and then you can decide whether this is in the best interest or not.

1134
01:26:12,701 --> 01:26:16,605
Typically you have to pay significantly well before that point.

1135
01:26:16,605 --> 01:26:19,241
And so I I share all that only to help try to frame.

1136
01:26:19,241 --> 01:26:32,121
What is the question today because inside of the statutory process where we are is you received the unsolicited proposal, which is part of Florida law, a 3rd party reviewer has taken a look at it and they providing very good feedback and very

1137
01:26:32,121 --> 01:26:32,588
good guide.

1138
01:26:32,588 --> 01:26:35,570
Rails for negotiation.

1139
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:42,640
And the next piece of this would be moving forward to a potentially comprehensive agreement to actually get there.

1140
01:26:42,398 --> 01:26:50,720
But in a normal scenario, what might happen is you would do an interim agreement to design it and you would pay for the design.

1141
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,740
What is making this a typical?

1142
01:26:52,508 --> 01:26:54,910
And I think worth your consideration is instead of doing that.

1143
01:26:54,910 --> 01:26:58,470
The contractor will designed permit.

1144
01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:04,860
Get your feedback and then they'll be a discussion about whether you plan to move forward.

1145
01:27:04,420 --> 01:27:09,580
also, as we discussed in the first couple meetings comes to funding plans to develop how to actually pay for the project.

1146
01:27:09,491 --> 01:27:14,630
And so I I want to pause there because I don't know.

1147
01:27:14,163 --> 01:27:17,320
want to belabor the point respectful of everyone's time.

1148
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:21,604
But I think that the deal structure was is what makes this so interesting and worth considering?

1149
01:27:21,604 --> 01:27:28,477
I think that the team that you have hired to review this has proven to be very thorough.

1150
01:27:28,477 --> 01:27:33,949
And I think that there will be able to guide the negotiation of this so that the end of the day product is not something that earthworks that, hey, this is what you should do.

1151
01:27:33,949 --> 01:27:35,840
do it.

1152
01:27:35,351 --> 01:27:35,551
It's hey.

1153
01:27:35,551 --> 01:27:36,850
Here's what we think.

1154
01:27:36,850 --> 01:27:43,826
The answer is and your independent reviewers are going to help make sure that we provide objective guide rails to get to the right answers.

1155
01:27:43,826 --> 01:27:54,103
But at the end of the day, and I want to emphasize this, if the project is not profitable, if the court will not issue the permits, if the Deltona Settlement Agreement becomes an insurmountable problem.

1156
01:27:54,103 --> 01:28:01,210
If Fish and Wildlife Commission one issue the permits, then a project will not happen in the city, will have no financial obligation.

1157
01:28:01,210 --> 01:28:03,946
That is a large at-risk component to this proposal.

1158
01:28:03,946 --> 01:28:08,350
And I just want to make sure it's clear on the record that what we're saying is.

1159
01:28:08,350 --> 01:28:21,630
Arthrex understands that that's that's the pitch and Earth looks feels it needs to take that level of skin in the game approach to this because it's such a unique project there or not as the reviewers pointed out, they were not good comparable

1160
01:28:21,597 --> 01:28:22,765
projects that they were aware of.

1161
01:28:22,765 --> 01:28:33,108
And so it's fair to at for the for thrust to say, OK, we need to earn your trust by proving that this is a feasible concept, but we're not going to ask you to pay to prove it's feasible.

1162
01:28:33,108 --> 01:28:39,848
We just want to know that we can be partners in the operation to prove it to you.

1163
01:28:39,848 --> 01:28:40,490
I'm sorry, Dan Davies.

1164
01:28:40,215 --> 01:28:44,860
15 55 Jamaica Court that that's that's I've stressed all along.

1165
01:28:44,553 --> 01:28:47,189
But like?

1166
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:48,570
Posing here is a true partnership.

1167
01:28:48,570 --> 01:28:49,910
We're not here to tell you how you should fix this.

1168
01:28:49,358 --> 01:28:53,729
We're here to to do your tool to to get answer.

1169
01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:59,368
If you see the can take action, we can get you to a point that we're confident we can get to.

1170
01:28:59,368 --> 01:29:01,437
And that's all I can stand behind is what we're offering to do.

1171
01:29:01,437 --> 01:29:04,573
And then still up to you to decide to do it or not.

1172
01:29:04,573 --> 01:29:06,909
So we're not adding any penalty to decide not to do.

1173
01:29:06,909 --> 01:29:10,379
I trust that you're going to do what's in the best interest of Marco Island.

1174
01:29:10,379 --> 01:29:12,548
All I'm doing is designing something that's the most.

1175
01:29:12,548 --> 01:29:15,551
Affordable.

1176
01:29:15,551 --> 01:29:17,619
And the most effective approach to your problem.

1177
01:29:17,619 --> 01:29:23,992
So we're starting from that standpoint, what's the most affordable and most effective to solve the problem.

1178
01:29:23,992 --> 01:29:25,694
It's still up to you to decide whether that's a path you want to take.

1179
01:29:25,694 --> 01:29:27,429
But we want to.

1180
01:29:27,429 --> 01:29:29,765
We want at least partner with you to show you that you can.

1181
01:29:29,765 --> 01:29:36,638
That's an option for you and we'll take the risk to Thank you because we for open up to questions.

1182
01:29:36,638 --> 01:29:39,808
John, I'm just curious how many registered speakers that we have on this?

1183
01:29:39,808 --> 01:29:45,647
There are 4 register speakers who are signed up for what I have a 5 registered speakers who are excited.

1184
01:29:45,647 --> 01:29:47,490
open up the council questions.

1185
01:29:47,416 --> 01:29:49,585
Guys are not just limited to a of art Mr.

1186
01:29:49,585 --> 01:29:49,685
Davies.

1187
01:29:49,685 --> 01:29:49,918
also a syringe.

1188
01:29:49,918 --> 01:29:53,822
And here's our staff council records.

1189
01:29:53,822 --> 01:29:56,391
couple of questions.

1190
01:29:56,391 --> 01:30:07,903
My recollection is that when we voted to give you the go ahead to begin this process.

1191
01:30:07,903 --> 01:30:09,738
Yeah, you want to die or consultant and you did.

1192
01:30:09,738 --> 01:30:12,674
must and more.

1193
01:30:12,674 --> 01:30:15,711
Who paid it.

1194
01:30:15,711 --> 01:30:25,354
Take that pursuant to the statute earthworks paid for the consultant cost didn't the And then you read the reimbursements.

1195
01:30:25,354 --> 01:30:27,723
I don't know what the actual mechanism was.

1196
01:30:27,723 --> 01:30:36,640
I can answer that Justin Martin public works how it worked is the city that is the city's consultant, the city selected that consultant with no input.

1197
01:30:36,632 --> 01:30:39,334
From the Proposer.

1198
01:30:39,334 --> 01:30:39,434
Yeah.

1199
01:30:39,434 --> 01:30:43,710
That that was the deal.

1200
01:30:43,238 --> 01:30:47,776
The Proposer provided the funds prior to the city.

1201
01:30:47,776 --> 01:30:50,179
Doing any purchase order to that consultant.

1202
01:30:50,179 --> 01:30:51,413
So they prepaid.

1203
01:30:51,413 --> 01:30:56,652
based on the press pozole that we got from the consultant.

1204
01:30:56,652 --> 01:30:58,921
They prepaid the total amount.

1205
01:30:58,921 --> 01:31:02,570
Then the city prepared to purchase water to hire the consultant to do that.

1206
01:31:02,570 --> 01:31:04,927
So they paid up front.

1207
01:31:04,927 --> 01:31:08,960
Next question.

1208
01:31:08,263 --> 01:31:11,330
For the expenses going forward.

1209
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:17,673
Proving expenses further engineering design caused cetera.

1210
01:31:17,673 --> 01:31:23,579
Will you be paying those directly to that to the vendor?

1211
01:31:23,579 --> 01:31:31,860
The proposal is that in the pre in the design and permitting phase that Earthworks would be fully responsible in pale cause.

1212
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:32,421
So we wouldn't be at new reimburses.

1213
01:31:32,421 --> 01:31:32,855
That's correct.

1214
01:31:32,855 --> 01:31:36,725
Okay.

1215
01:31:36,725 --> 01:31:41,960
I've got further comment, but I'll wait But it's like going a vacation pay.

1216
01:31:41,196 --> 01:31:57,980
Yeah, I'm a little surprised that you didn't address directly with the indicated where been pretty serious concerns from my standpoint, very to talk about concepts without getting into details and answering concerns.

1217
01:31:57,980 --> 01:32:02,284
Seems to me the concept.

1218
01:32:02,284 --> 01:32:08,390
Continues to fail to address the issue of water, quality and canals.

1219
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:10,959
Are you going to improve the quality and canals?

1220
01:32:10,959 --> 01:32:13,695
I haven't heard that.

1221
01:32:13,695 --> 01:32:21,536
You been challenged by a consultant who said they can't cannot tell by what your answers were to them.

1222
01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:23,472
That you can improve the water.

1223
01:32:23,472 --> 01:32:27,309
Quality and canals.

1224
01:32:27,309 --> 01:32:28,760
So why no rebook to what they were saying?

1225
01:32:28,677 --> 01:32:30,780
It was pretty scathing report.

1226
01:32:30,379 --> 01:32:33,649
They just made.

1227
01:32:33,649 --> 01:32:37,190
Well, first to point out that the well, we have this written report.

1228
01:32:37,190 --> 01:32:37,920
not seen that slide before us.

1229
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,822
I didn't see the individual bullet points there.

1230
01:32:40,822 --> 01:32:56,905
But as to the water quality piece the erd report makes the finding that the dredging improves the water quality and the largest possible contributing factor to the improvement of the water quality on the island.

1231
01:32:56,905 --> 01:33:02,544
But the consulting firm is indicating doing only the center dredge of a canal.

1232
01:33:02,544 --> 01:33:02,644
Leaves.

1233
01:33:02,644 --> 01:33:09,484
Both the seawalls untouched more likely than not.

1234
01:33:09,484 --> 01:33:15,123
think they were saying it's likely to fill the vacuum created in the middle middle of the canal.

1235
01:33:15,123 --> 01:33:20,762
Again, to me.

1236
01:33:20,762 --> 01:33:22,965
Your concept raises more questions than it answers.

1237
01:33:22,965 --> 01:33:32,941
I'm looking for answers I don't care if you're standing up here and say trust us, it's a concept and believe work some day.

1238
01:33:32,941 --> 01:33:35,344
How do you prove something like that?

1239
01:33:35,344 --> 01:33:40,349
I think the way that it's proven is to is to the permit process.

1240
01:33:40,349 --> 01:33:42,840
think that but that's fine if that's not acceptable.

1241
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:49,624
But what it does is it ties the city up for years to go through this, proving the concept.

1242
01:33:49,624 --> 01:33:50,459
Unnecessarily.

1243
01:33:50,459 --> 01:33:57,399
It's already consuming too much time to perfectly honest with you, with no answers, no answers.

1244
01:33:57,399 --> 01:34:02,404
I'm very concerned that we're being.

1245
01:34:02,404 --> 01:34:04,600
Presented material with no solutions at this moment.

1246
01:34:04,506 --> 01:34:08,577
I mean, no.

1247
01:34:08,577 --> 01:34:13,348
The city would be hammered for approving any kind of deal like that.

1248
01:34:13,348 --> 01:34:21,490
And frequently you do as a community cameras for making better decisions in this.

1249
01:34:21,490 --> 01:34:21,957
Ask you a question.

1250
01:34:21,957 --> 01:34:26,940
Is that I love question.

1251
01:34:26,940 --> 01:34:29,965
We can't take the next step.

1252
01:34:29,965 --> 01:34:39,574
And invest that money unless we know there's commitment in a partnership that your along with us to do that week you have a very valid question, there's a lot of details and want answers.

1253
01:34:39,574 --> 01:34:41,900
We've got to do hydraulic studies of the canals.

1254
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:45,213
We've got to We've got to do to got surveys.

1255
01:34:45,213 --> 01:34:46,480
We go to a local reports.

1256
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:48,650
There's a lot of things that go involved in the process.

1257
01:34:48,650 --> 01:34:57,392
But once again, I can't invest that money up front and bring all that to you and then and then ask if you would like to pursue this project.

1258
01:34:57,392 --> 01:35:00,796
At least I have a commitment that we're in a partnership to pursue an end goal.

1259
01:35:00,796 --> 01:35:14,276
If we can't prove that to you at any time, then if you don't think it's a long best interest of Marco Island, then you just cancel the contract that no penalty Q and will say sorry, we can help you and hope we can be of service in the future.

1260
01:35:14,276 --> 01:35:19,481
But we're what I'm trying to do is what similar to what another resident maybe did when you build Veterans Park.

1261
01:35:19,481 --> 01:35:21,850
I think a resident donate close to a million dollars Veterans Park.

1262
01:35:21,850 --> 01:35:28,457
If I'm not mistaken and I'm sure we the our community appreciated that.

1263
01:35:28,457 --> 01:35:33,462
What I'm investing is close to 2 million dollars in services to help us solve a real urgent problem that we have.

1264
01:35:33,462 --> 01:35:36,131
And it's the water quality in our canals.

1265
01:35:36,131 --> 01:35:38,667
And this is a problem that's going on to this point.

1266
01:35:38,667 --> 01:35:42,871
That's going to continue every day to get worse and worse and harder to reverse.

1267
01:35:42,871 --> 01:35:47,175
So we're helping you take actions what we're trying to do and taking the risk.

1268
01:35:47,175 --> 01:35:51,379
We The reason that the partnerships were not tying you up with all these details.

1269
01:35:51,379 --> 01:35:53,982
We don't have to come for funding to go to national media.

1270
01:35:53,982 --> 01:35:56,351
fortunately, that's not the case.

1271
01:35:56,351 --> 01:36:04,893
Continuing to proceed on the basis that you're proceeding, ties the city up, our hands are tied.

1272
01:36:04,893 --> 01:36:10,632
We're devoting manpower, hours and time on a project that is totally unproven.

1273
01:36:10,632 --> 01:36:15,300
There's no proven concept here at all.

1274
01:36:15,203 --> 01:36:16,771
None that I can see.

1275
01:36:16,771 --> 01:36:18,740
And you pretty much agree to it.

1276
01:36:18,740 --> 01:36:19,241
It's a concept.

1277
01:36:19,241 --> 01:36:24,746
Well, if we're asked to buy a concept.

1278
01:36:24,746 --> 01:36:26,140
We're not asking why it's great team here.

1279
01:36:26,140 --> 01:36:26,748
not asking you to buy any.

1280
01:36:26,748 --> 01:36:42,697
There's no no topic facing this city that I have received more negativity from the community on this project and it's 99% against the project against correcting our water quality issues.

1281
01:36:42,697 --> 01:36:44,990
No, they know what they think.

1282
01:36:44,466 --> 01:36:47,769
They have solutions for that squall Awt.

1283
01:36:47,769 --> 01:36:50,205
Well, that has nothing to do with dredging canals.

1284
01:36:50,205 --> 01:36:56,745
So that's why we brought you back to the report that that's an ancillary addition to it without doing dredging of the canals.

1285
01:36:56,745 --> 01:36:59,814
You're not you can't you have to reverse what's been done it.

1286
01:36:59,814 --> 01:37:03,752
You can't prove they're dredging a canal cleans the water.

1287
01:37:03,752 --> 01:37:04,520
Of course we can.

1288
01:37:04,452 --> 01:37:07,550
We've done for 30 years.

1289
01:37:07,550 --> 01:37:07,550
Not with so.

1290
01:37:07,289 --> 01:37:09,758
you have with salt water with any water are are canal system.

1291
01:37:09,758 --> 01:37:15,960
You have not provided any documentation all guys question and answer, please.

1292
01:37:15,864 --> 01:37:16,970
Yes, not state.

1293
01:37:16,970 --> 01:37:17,199
You want to do a better pipe.

1294
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:17,766
I'm sorry.

1295
01:37:17,766 --> 01:37:23,505
You want play back to I think what's important to understand.

1296
01:37:23,505 --> 01:37:24,973
The Marconi Canal system is not a natural habitat.

1297
01:37:24,973 --> 01:37:27,642
Okay.

1298
01:37:27,642 --> 01:37:30,912
It's part of our storm water system that utility.

1299
01:37:30,912 --> 01:37:32,948
Ok and like every utility, it requires maintenance.

1300
01:37:32,948 --> 01:37:35,717
Every utility does.

1301
01:37:35,717 --> 01:37:46,595
anyone knows what a catch basin is, when you have settlements in your water running down the street, they go into a catch basin that catch basin fills up eventually with the solids that are flowing through the water system right.

1302
01:37:46,595 --> 01:37:52,567
And you go in, you get your country sons in a city situation where you yearly multi 5 years down the road for years.

1303
01:37:52,567 --> 01:37:55,737
You clean your catch basin.

1304
01:37:55,737 --> 01:38:01,443
our canal system is our catch basin for the entire island of That's our canal system.

1305
01:38:01,443 --> 01:38:02,844
It's not a natural habitat.

1306
01:38:02,844 --> 01:38:05,680
It's essentially an alley way to the back of our homes.

1307
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:12,287
And it's the worst environment we can try have clean Water shallow boxed in and just know move.

1308
01:38:12,287 --> 01:38:12,520
Okay.

1309
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,357
That's the reality we have here.

1310
01:38:15,357 --> 01:38:20,662
So we're looking at this as utility problem, which is essentially maintenance, stretching your canal system.

1311
01:38:20,662 --> 01:38:30,405
But when we look at the cost of that, OK, to make this stretch of canal system, we're not going to get funding from the state to say, you know what, your wealthy community, but let us pay your maintenance costs for your infrastructure.

1312
01:38:30,405 --> 01:38:32,173
We're not gonna do that.

1313
01:38:32,173 --> 01:38:37,779
But with their with funding opportunities that the state has for water, quality projects.

1314
01:38:37,779 --> 01:38:40,849
We take the projects complete dredging project in the water Quality project.

1315
01:38:40,849 --> 01:38:43,840
Then it opens us up to that funding that the state has for water, quality projects.

1316
01:38:43,718 --> 01:38:53,361
Plenty of funny which we have preempted upstate in Tallahassee and gotten great reviews on the project for from them and from how it met the funding requirements.

1317
01:38:53,361 --> 01:38:56,931
We spent a lot of money and time setting this thing out.

1318
01:38:56,931 --> 01:39:03,571
We can't answer questions to your consultant in details until we start the design process for those details analyzing the materials.

1319
01:39:03,571 --> 01:39:08,209
And doing the surveys and doing a hydraulic studies.

1320
01:39:08,209 --> 01:39:10,345
That's all part of this process along.

1321
01:39:10,345 --> 01:39:14,382
This is a long, arduous design process.

1322
01:39:14,382 --> 01:39:16,685
So we can't we can't give you those answers up front.

1323
01:39:16,685 --> 01:39:27,729
But we know that our concept and I think your consultants, if you asked with the concept is doable, maybe them some questions like that rather than to detailed questions of all these construction and permitting details that were involved in

1324
01:39:27,729 --> 01:39:29,497
that we have to overcome.

1325
01:39:29,497 --> 01:39:33,134
If we can't satisfy the board that the community supports us.

1326
01:39:33,134 --> 01:39:35,170
Then vote to cancel the contract.

1327
01:39:35,170 --> 01:39:41,276
If we can satisfy the board that we've got permits and that we got regulatory body signed off on it.

1328
01:39:41,276 --> 01:39:44,145
Thank you there is no project.

1329
01:39:44,145 --> 01:39:48,830
If we can't get the funding for the project for the city and you decide that we can't get the funding for you.

1330
01:39:48,583 --> 01:39:49,951
Like we said, we could.

1331
01:39:49,951 --> 01:39:51,186
And you don't want to fund it.

1332
01:39:51,186 --> 01:39:53,988
There's no project.

1333
01:39:53,988 --> 01:39:56,891
But all along there is not one dollar that we're asking Marco Island put forward.

1334
01:39:56,891 --> 01:39:58,260
Not one.

1335
01:39:58,260 --> 01:40:03,398
We're asking a partner with you to help you come up with a solution to this problem.

1336
01:40:03,398 --> 01:40:08,636
What we propose is most economical.

1337
01:40:08,636 --> 01:40:13,575
Effective solution, ecologically anytime we introduce natural habitat into manmade environments when it comes to water quality.

1338
01:40:13,575 --> 01:40:16,111
We improve that water quality.

1339
01:40:16,111 --> 01:40:16,411
That's a proven fact.

1340
01:40:16,411 --> 01:40:21,583
The methods reusing she pollen rocket been used for 150 years.

1341
01:40:21,583 --> 01:40:26,855
We're just implementing it in a different way, Insider canal system because we have skill doing that making big things in a small area.

1342
01:40:26,855 --> 01:40:27,155
Okay.

1343
01:40:27,155 --> 01:40:27,922
Thank you.

1344
01:40:27,922 --> 01:40:28,256
Thank you.

1345
01:40:28,256 --> 01:40:29,524
Accounts are great.

1346
01:40:29,524 --> 01:40:39,367
Thank Coming up, 3 project City previously we've done 3 design constructs.

1347
01:40:39,367 --> 01:40:41,636
not peak 3 in different states.

1348
01:40:41,636 --> 01:40:42,971
So thank you.

1349
01:40:42,971 --> 01:40:50,178
because the city has never P 3 as well correct and the complexity of this project is monumental.

1350
01:40:50,178 --> 01:40:52,800
The amount of staff work would be monumental.

1351
01:40:52,447 --> 01:41:00,210
But just I look at this more as a joint venture and having confidence in the partners and not to go forward.

1352
01:41:00,210 --> 01:41:02,424
I do appreciate your your comment about conceptually.

1353
01:41:02,424 --> 01:41:06,270
There are things we have to do to address in the canals no doubt about it.

1354
01:41:06,161 --> 01:41:10,980
I saw Capital improvement plans going back to the early 2.

1355
01:41:10,265 --> 01:41:10,432
Thousands were.

1356
01:41:10,432 --> 01:41:12,901
This has been highlighted as a conversation point.

1357
01:41:12,901 --> 01:41:29,717
I just absolutely don't believe that we should be in and going and this type of scope of project this But the fte PA, there are preliminary conversations and I thought it'd been signal that there were serious concerns that they would actually

1358
01:41:29,717 --> 01:41:30,351
approved the spoil islands.

1359
01:41:30,351 --> 01:41:32,220
Can you give any perspective on that?

1360
01:41:32,220 --> 01:41:32,821
Not whatsoever.

1361
01:41:32,821 --> 01:41:36,858
Not in our communication with piano.

1362
01:41:36,858 --> 01:41:41,996
got no indication from Fte Pa anywhere in this process that they might be concerned about the spoil islands.

1363
01:41:41,996 --> 01:41:51,406
Now from our Yeah, not sure referring to.

1364
01:41:51,406 --> 01:42:01,820
There's been a conversation with the fte PA on creating spoil islands and whether in concept they feel that is viable.

1365
01:42:01,820 --> 01:42:03,885
propose our particular project to be the southwest Fort Myers.

1366
01:42:03,885 --> 01:42:07,856
And then we did have a meeting with the EPA in Tallahassee and show them our project.

1367
01:42:07,856 --> 01:42:13,862
got and both cases we had prix at preliminary discussions.

1368
01:42:13,862 --> 01:42:16,331
I'm unaware of there being any comments that indicate that it was not.

1369
01:42:16,331 --> 01:42:19,934
He's a possible.

1370
01:42:19,934 --> 01:42:24,772
So best indication us with more they're excited about.

1371
01:42:24,772 --> 01:42:31,646
So they're signaling to you that they are potentially willing to entertain this That's what brought us to this point.

1372
01:42:31,646 --> 01:42:35,950
And reading your proposal, which was attached to this agenda.

1373
01:42:35,950 --> 01:42:41,990
It continues to reference Naples, Botanic Gardens and the representation about their role in this.

1374
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:46,294
That's very unclear to me what role they do or do not have at this point.

1375
01:42:46,294 --> 01:42:47,962
The process had submitted a revised proposal after the last discussion.

1376
01:42:47,962 --> 01:43:03,144
I don't know which proposal you're looking at, but the proposal is that they will be paid as a consultant to help consult on the specific plan types that will be used in the various islands.

1377
01:43:03,144 --> 01:43:06,114
The proposal that was attached again, reference them as a partner.

1378
01:43:06,114 --> 01:43:11,850
The last I have asked multiple times at that proposal be language replaced with the one that I resubmitted.

1379
01:43:11,386 --> 01:43:13,588
And I was told that we're going pass along the original one.

1380
01:43:13,588 --> 01:43:17,910
So I can't I apologize.

1381
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:19,727
I don't want chase a bad information.

1382
01:43:19,727 --> 01:43:20,929
I have a lot more questions.

1383
01:43:20,929 --> 01:43:23,970
I have a great, great concerns about come forward with this project.

1384
01:43:23,731 --> 01:43:26,100
Thank you.

1385
01:43:26,100 --> 01:43:26,868
Council goal.

1386
01:43:26,868 --> 01:43:38,780
I'm going to make this very quick and I think you remember last time we've had this conversation, you presented your project front of us and I asked you that at some point we had the got Fiddler's credit.

1387
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:42,216
Felix.

1388
01:43:42,216 --> 01:43:45,386
Remember, though, just in had a calm conversation.

1389
01:43:45,386 --> 01:43:53,161
There was a dump around that we could actually take sentiment from the bottom all our canals and dump over there.

1390
01:43:53,161 --> 01:43:56,640
And if you Creek residents just went absolutely.

1391
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,667
Do not want the garbage on But the act and I'm going to repeat myself.

1392
01:43:59,667 --> 01:44:08,900
Why do you think I would want my constituents are residents to have that sediment.

1393
01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:11,120
Whatever trying to get it, you don't even know what's in there.

1394
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:15,950
I think build the island in the middle of that.

1395
01:44:15,950 --> 01:44:18,486
Also to finish my another comment.

1396
01:44:18,486 --> 01:44:21,255
I specifically spoke with the Pete.

1397
01:44:21,255 --> 01:44:27,795
This specifically told me that there will not permanent floor island built in the canals.

1398
01:44:27,795 --> 01:44:29,998
I had the conversation.

1399
01:44:29,998 --> 01:44:33,801
I can give your name of lady as well.

1400
01:44:33,801 --> 01:44:35,737
So yes, I did have a conversation.

1401
01:44:35,737 --> 01:44:45,913
And this had that absolutely will They would probably approve dredging, but they will not permit to build islands in middle of the canals.

1402
01:44:45,913 --> 01:44:49,384
That's all I have so far and that they want to buy idyllic consulting for you.

1403
01:44:49,384 --> 01:44:52,220
Guys did a great job on that.

1404
01:44:52,220 --> 01:44:54,922
First piece of I can address the Fiddler's Creek.

1405
01:44:54,922 --> 01:45:04,499
I think the distinction here, what you proposing doing was using a former I wastewater facility for ad watering ground.

1406
01:45:04,499 --> 01:45:10,380
And so you're going to take the spoil pump it there and then let it dry.

1407
01:45:10,371 --> 01:45:19,130
what's being proposed here just for distinction purposes is that these spoil would be used to create the structures and then cap.

1408
01:45:19,130 --> 01:45:21,315
So we're nice, a different format.

1409
01:45:21,315 --> 01:45:21,916
So we're we're not.

1410
01:45:21,916 --> 01:45:24,886
We're not taking this dirt and just letting it sit on the ground.

1411
01:45:24,886 --> 01:45:31,590
These big giant pile chair mentioned now.

1412
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:31,959
Kuala question, please your style.

1413
01:45:31,959 --> 01:45:33,294
You saying that you would put the cap over settlement.

1414
01:45:33,294 --> 01:45:35,463
Is the switch saying what I'm saying?

1415
01:45:35,463 --> 01:45:36,970
Is flash going on?

1416
01:45:36,130 --> 01:45:39,670
I add up.

1417
01:45:39,670 --> 01:45:40,835
There's mangroves that are going to be as vegetation on top of it.

1418
01:45:40,835 --> 01:45:44,305
That are gonna be part of the nutrient uptake.

1419
01:45:44,305 --> 01:45:46,708
And how does a member of take it to chilly to grow?

1420
01:45:46,708 --> 01:45:53,347
don't have Jonathan here, but and fully function.

1421
01:45:53,347 --> 01:45:55,817
So and how many anytime height?

1422
01:45:55,817 --> 01:45:58,720
It looked duking within a year.

1423
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:03,291
not just the vegetation that keeps the that's an erosion control issue to the islands and a stability issue for the island.

1424
01:46:03,291 --> 01:46:06,661
It is it a question of stability or is it a question of the type of material we're using?

1425
01:46:06,661 --> 01:46:12,330
Well, both are both are answered in the regulatory process.

1426
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:16,504
We've got to demonstrate to the record for We've got to demonstrate to the regulatory bodies.

1427
01:46:16,504 --> 01:46:19,730
The very questions are asked.

1428
01:46:19,730 --> 01:46:23,277
We've got to demonstrate that we're containing the sediment and it's not moving from the island.

1429
01:46:23,277 --> 01:46:24,110
We're doing that with our design.

1430
01:46:24,110 --> 01:46:24,979
We feel confident with our council showtime.

1431
01:46:24,979 --> 01:46:37,992
And I think if you ask your consultants, it's possible to contain the settlement in the design that our concept is sheet pile and rock Dallas design that simple math, it's been done for years.

1432
01:46:37,992 --> 01:46:42,563
This isn't any we're not using new techniques to do this, sir.

1433
01:46:42,563 --> 01:46:43,931
I'm sorry, Mister Chair.

1434
01:46:43,931 --> 01:46:47,335
think I'm I cannot I cannot approve this project.

1435
01:46:47,335 --> 01:46:47,435
Sorry.

1436
01:46:47,435 --> 01:46:50,905
Thank Thank the light side, guys, I'm gonna jump in and try to tie in a few questions.

1437
01:46:50,905 --> 01:46:51,572
I've heard a lot personal.

1438
01:46:51,572 --> 01:46:53,574
Thank you for presenting.

1439
01:46:53,574 --> 01:46:54,800
Thank you for being bold enough.

1440
01:46:54,408 --> 01:46:55,900
Try to solve the problem.

1441
01:46:55,900 --> 01:46:57,411
I know it's not an easy.

1442
01:46:57,411 --> 01:47:05,486
Thing to do and there's a bit of pushback because it's complicated and it's lately and he's confirmed lot of impact for the entire problem that's getting worse and worse.

1443
01:47:05,486 --> 01:47:11,425
And we are a little more confused than maybe we know where we're going and appreciate the engineering report.

1444
01:47:11,425 --> 01:47:14,662
We're left with more questions and answers now I realize or very early on in the process.

1445
01:47:14,662 --> 01:47:17,899
One of the challenges facing team is it.

1446
01:47:17,899 --> 01:47:19,867
I believe we're going to go with Awt first.

1447
01:47:19,867 --> 01:47:24,710
seems like he's going to be the first direction of I guess, right with the referendum in the citizens.

1448
01:47:24,472 --> 01:47:26,607
And believe even sent to it.

1449
01:47:26,607 --> 01:47:31,450
That's part of your questions or clean-up, but also clean up what's have?

1450
01:47:31,245 --> 01:47:31,312
Yeah.

1451
01:47:31,312 --> 01:47:34,810
So we move what's been put there.

1452
01:47:34,248 --> 01:47:36,170
So dredging does seem be a viable solution to doctor.

1453
01:47:36,170 --> 01:47:36,284
Harper mentioned it.

1454
01:47:36,284 --> 01:47:38,920
I think you mentioned it wasn't because of the cost.

1455
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:39,860
That was one of the challenges.

1456
01:47:39,754 --> 01:47:41,589
Now we didn't get into creations of islands.

1457
01:47:41,589 --> 01:47:42,890
And that challenge.

1458
01:47:42,256 --> 01:47:44,792
And I do think.

1459
01:47:44,792 --> 01:47:47,328
That's going to be a tremendous hurdle, has to put something where it wasn't before.

1460
01:47:47,328 --> 01:47:56,804
And think our citizens are going up a good amount of pushback As I mentioned, I also think if they had islands and with the takeaway to be a lot of pushback, it's I don't want change.

1461
01:47:56,804 --> 01:47:57,238
Now.

1462
01:47:57,238 --> 01:48:02,677
Council shipping out agree I did receive more negativity here, but I don't 30 people.

1463
01:48:02,677 --> 01:48:03,911
I didn't receive hundreds of e-mails or comments.

1464
01:48:03,911 --> 01:48:09,450
I mean, very small microcosm of those who don't like the idea.

1465
01:48:09,450 --> 01:48:13,688
I approve this to go forward to this level because might always have to be open-minded and try to explore all options.

1466
01:48:13,688 --> 01:48:20,628
Also, you're paying for the bill and bringing us information so said, look, I you're going to retain studies.

1467
01:48:20,628 --> 01:48:21,395
We're gonna provide for you.

1468
01:48:21,395 --> 01:48:28,350
The thing so we're saying is I'm taking the risk to know that you're in you're looking at the best interest of Marco Island and I'm getting it me to tie this up So here's the challenge.

1469
01:48:28,236 --> 01:48:36,177
I have going forward and maybe it's guilt and I got to get to staff and men about their time committed to this.

1470
01:48:36,177 --> 01:48:39,460
I see this being the same conversation we had a while back.

1471
01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:44,118
You are willing to foot the bill for us to consider moving forward and I'm not even convinced they would move forward.

1472
01:48:44,118 --> 01:48:47,488
I'm very far off from a yes decision on this.

1473
01:48:47,488 --> 01:48:49,991
I'm trying to wrap myself my head around.

1474
01:48:49,991 --> 01:48:55,630
Is this still a viable enough conversation to keep going on your dime and your time to see where we might go.

1475
01:48:55,630 --> 01:48:58,299
And Holden this was I can.

1476
01:48:58,299 --> 01:48:59,133
Justin, can you give me an idea?

1477
01:48:59,133 --> 01:49:07,800
Is format to much time with the staff time involved is a big rain on you to move forward or are they doing most of the work?

1478
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:07,800
Try to give us an idea.

1479
01:49:07,541 --> 01:49:11,979
So we know where we stand.

1480
01:49:11,979 --> 01:49:12,146
Okay.

1481
01:49:12,146 --> 01:49:22,990
Up until now, the staff time involved with this has coordination with the consultant to review the propose or proposes proposal going forward.

1482
01:49:22,990 --> 01:49:34,680
I can't quantify the amount of staff time that it would take, but I would suspect that all of consulting will be done by the proposer.

1483
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:38,239
The permitting would be done by the proposer.

1484
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:48,482
We would like any other project be doing coordination and making sure that things are submitted on time.

1485
01:49:48,482 --> 01:49:55,690
And looking at any reports that are submitted staff will have a valuation as far as those reports that get submitted.

1486
01:49:55,690 --> 01:49:58,960
They would.

1487
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:03,364
Potentially be some.

1488
01:50:03,364 --> 01:50:09,804
independent review that the city would have to contract with its consultants independently.

1489
01:50:09,804 --> 01:50:13,107
If there's any question of what what is being presented?

1490
01:50:13,107 --> 01:50:16,911
I can't right now.

1491
01:50:16,911 --> 01:50:21,215
Quantify that and give you an estimate of staff time with, you know, I just don't have that.

1492
01:50:21,215 --> 01:50:30,825
This sounds promising it is a one of the things mentioned in the nutrient source evaluation.

1493
01:50:30,825 --> 01:50:35,629
That is, as I mentioned earlier, 70% of the nutrients are embedded in the sediments.

1494
01:50:35,629 --> 01:50:40,101
There have been.

1495
01:50:40,101 --> 01:50:43,971
Dredging projects elsewhere in salt water down in the keys.

1496
01:50:43,971 --> 01:50:53,140
There was a project that was discussed by the Waterways Advisory Committee where they did do dredging it did improve water quality, but dredging alone just like everything.

1497
01:50:53,140 --> 01:50:56,450
As I mentioned.

1498
01:50:56,450 --> 01:50:59,487
Water quality improvement has to be a comprehensive solution.

1499
01:50:59,487 --> 01:51:06,761
Not one thing alone is going to solve the problems, not awt alone, not dredging loan, not in that screens alone.

1500
01:51:06,761 --> 01:51:10,965
It has to be a comprehensive approach.

1501
01:51:10,965 --> 01:51:13,667
I mean, that's that's what I can share right now at this point.

1502
01:51:13,667 --> 01:51:14,902
I appreciate that.

1503
01:51:14,902 --> 01:51:18,839
And I appreciate your honesty, guys.

1504
01:51:18,839 --> 01:51:23,310
I'm going to fight turned over counter say I view this similar to our first capital workshop.

1505
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:26,470
I don't expect there coming to us with all the answers I expected.

1506
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:30,351
This was one of 6 or 7 meetings of detailed.

1507
01:51:30,351 --> 01:51:30,384
Conversation.

1508
01:51:30,384 --> 01:51:36,570
I understand it's it's not the maybe most popular approach amongst those who have been full color.

1509
01:51:36,570 --> 01:51:37,491
For the most part, our communities remain quiet.

1510
01:51:37,491 --> 01:51:45,733
So I'm torn with trying to cast aside Oran torn with asking these folks to keep moving forward.

1511
01:51:45,733 --> 01:51:49,103
When I know I'm fully not decided.

1512
01:51:49,103 --> 01:51:52,940
So that we've got we've got even according to Councilman Practice, we've got.

1513
01:51:52,940 --> 01:51:55,420
2 years of permitting.

1514
01:51:55,209 --> 01:52:03,517
You know, that's our point is you've got to it's your 4 years out having even though So going turn and we'll go back.

1515
01:52:03,517 --> 01:52:05,619
And after the round trip, more questions Councilor Henry, thank you.

1516
01:52:05,619 --> 01:52:06,870
Thank you again.

1517
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:08,956
Thank you for your thorough review.

1518
01:52:08,956 --> 01:52:09,900
That was very helpful.

1519
01:52:09,523 --> 01:52:14,895
And as always, thank you guys for just being honest with thanks.

1520
01:52:14,895 --> 01:52:15,960
I agree.

1521
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:17,310
I'm counselor Palumbo.

1522
01:52:17,310 --> 01:52:18,990
I I'm not quite sure.

1523
01:52:18,365 --> 01:52:20,670
My question for you.

1524
01:52:20,634 --> 01:52:22,603
Would you be willing to revise your proposal?

1525
01:52:22,603 --> 01:52:27,641
Do a mock up.

1526
01:52:27,641 --> 01:52:32,813
Is there a way that that can be that just one can now one?

1527
01:52:32,813 --> 01:52:39,386
just because one of the things that was not included in the paperwork was a schedule map or anything like that.

1528
01:52:39,386 --> 01:52:42,623
I didn't know if that's something cause.

1529
01:52:42,623 --> 01:52:46,600
I think a lot of these things that they need to beat and what we need to be able to see it and understand it.

1530
01:52:46,293 --> 01:52:49,497
The sketches.

1531
01:52:49,497 --> 01:52:51,980
little more detail.

1532
01:52:51,980 --> 01:52:57,671
And since this is hasn't been done anywhere else here in Florida Idol.

1533
01:52:57,671 --> 01:53:00,400
If that is an option, I know expense Wise, obviously to bring everything out.

1534
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:00,541
That's significant.

1535
01:53:00,541 --> 01:53:03,410
But that also.

1536
01:53:03,410 --> 01:53:07,915
I think would be a way maybe for because I agree exactly.

1537
01:53:07,915 --> 01:53:12,860
what Justin said in the fact of it's more than one thing.

1538
01:53:12,319 --> 01:53:14,540
Awt is not going to solve the problems.

1539
01:53:14,121 --> 01:53:15,890
We need a lot of different factors.

1540
01:53:15,122 --> 01:53:19,960
So just feel like then once it if one or 2 canals are done.

1541
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:24,980
can see what with the repercussions are in going forward.

1542
01:53:24,398 --> 01:53:28,680
So that's my question.

1543
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,538
We're here to establish a partnership to solve your problem.

1544
01:53:30,538 --> 01:53:33,841
We're not here to force you into one solution.

1545
01:53:33,841 --> 01:53:37,444
I start off by saying we came up with writer right now.

1546
01:53:37,444 --> 01:53:40,800
Economical and effective solution.

1547
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:40,800
doesn't mean it's a solution.

1548
01:53:40,714 --> 01:53:43,170
We have to use.

1549
01:53:43,170 --> 01:53:56,797
If we're going to move due out exterior islands to save costs room that didn't kill, then we would modify the project to the ice, but then we have to look into as well would be qualify for the funding we affect in our own water quality to qualify

1550
01:53:56,797 --> 01:53:57,640
for the funding.

1551
01:53:57,264 --> 01:54:00,334
If that's the case, we can move forward that direction.

1552
01:54:00,334 --> 01:54:03,700
We can't get you answers that you need until we take more steps forward.

1553
01:54:03,370 --> 01:54:06,740
We have to take some action to do that.

1554
01:54:06,740 --> 01:54:10,277
And to make it easier on the city of Marco Island to take action.

1555
01:54:10,277 --> 01:54:13,480
I was willing to front those cost to take that action.

1556
01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:20,421
I'm not here to try and make money on Marco Island.

1557
01:54:20,421 --> 01:54:21,288
We offer in low-speed place.

1558
01:54:21,288 --> 01:54:31,332
I'll be happy to offer in the contract that you can review our financial statements past and forward from this project in the margin to be authentic the same as they are in every other project.

1559
01:54:31,332 --> 01:54:36,300
I I'm resident Mike I love this place and that's why I'm giving my time and my treasure to try and do something about it.

1560
01:54:36,300 --> 01:54:40,674
So that's what were often do.

1561
01:54:40,674 --> 01:54:44,780
The pilot program, if that's part of our conference agreement, you guys, hey, we're all were on board.

1562
01:54:44,678 --> 01:54:45,913
This meet a pilot program.

1563
01:54:45,913 --> 01:54:50,451
Will least we know you're committed to something and that gives energy, say, OK, then we'll invest in a pilot program.

1564
01:54:50,451 --> 01:54:51,919
But we're trying to get the ball started.

1565
01:54:51,919 --> 01:54:56,900
We're just trying to take the next step in in.

1566
01:54:56,900 --> 01:54:59,930
Doing a public private partnership to explore these answers.

1567
01:54:59,293 --> 01:55:02,396
But we're here to offer help get those answers.

1568
01:55:02,396 --> 01:55:04,640
That's what we're here to do.

1569
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:05,320
We're not here to force you on one particular project.

1570
01:55:05,232 --> 01:55:10,404
We started off with the most economical with the funding available to state.

1571
01:55:10,404 --> 01:55:12,720
That's why we designed it that we did.

1572
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:12,720
Is it that way?

1573
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:14,908
Because we thought everyone would love island's.

1574
01:55:14,908 --> 01:55:25,850
We designed it that way because he argues proposal said 190 million dollars, which I think is actually low to try and reg that much material in a local cloak Haitian like Marco Island, how far you have to get it and then dispose of it.

1575
01:55:25,552 --> 01:55:26,860
Now you've got to win.

1576
01:55:26,287 --> 01:55:26,787
You dispose.

1577
01:55:26,787 --> 01:55:28,188
You've got a classified.

1578
01:55:28,188 --> 01:55:30,157
You've got to do all these other expensive thing to do.

1579
01:55:30,157 --> 01:55:30,524
It.

1580
01:55:30,524 --> 01:55:34,295
I simply looked at were value engineering the projects every day.

1581
01:55:34,295 --> 01:55:37,498
We simply looked at it approach that is way more affordable and way more construct.

1582
01:55:37,498 --> 01:55:38,732
A bull than what was proposed in the yard.

1583
01:55:38,732 --> 01:55:40,267
You report.

1584
01:55:40,267 --> 01:55:43,304
And report starts off with 70%.

1585
01:55:43,304 --> 01:55:45,806
The main problem is dredging.

1586
01:55:45,806 --> 01:55:49,900
We they knew that that was so economically unfeasible.

1587
01:55:49,109 --> 01:55:52,460
They said you can start with these other things to make a dent in your problem.

1588
01:55:52,112 --> 01:55:54,448
But the reality is materials there.

1589
01:55:54,448 --> 01:55:54,682
Thank you.

1590
01:55:54,682 --> 01:56:01,615
Dr wishes.

1591
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:08,762
Just in follow-up to what Justin was talking about and the city's role and someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

1592
01:56:08,762 --> 01:56:16,360
But I do believe that as part of the next steps you would be applying for permits.

1593
01:56:16,203 --> 01:56:27,470
But the permits would be in the city's name where the property owners we would be the permit holder, which means we're on the hook for permit compliance the same with grants next step grant applications.

1594
01:56:27,114 --> 01:56:33,854
But the grants would be in the city's name, which means we're on the hook for Grant compliance and Grant reporting.

1595
01:56:33,854 --> 01:56:39,593
And one of the things that we're learning as we learned from the audit is.

1596
01:56:39,593 --> 01:56:43,230
We have a short fall and you know, our grant reporting and grant staffing so forth.

1597
01:56:43,230 --> 01:56:59,179
I'm I'm not, you know, taking a are advocating one side the other and just adding an additional perspective that there's not a passive role for the city and this there would be a very active role for the city because ultimately we would be responsible

1598
01:56:59,179 --> 01:57:05,652
for grants and permits.

1599
01:57:05,652 --> 01:57:11,158
Yes, I did want to concur with what Justin said in regards to having a comprehensive plan.

1600
01:57:11,158 --> 01:57:17,640
And I also is going to point out what Casey just pointed out about his would-be permits and the city's names and the grants to.

1601
01:57:17,197 --> 01:57:19,660
But I do.

1602
01:57:19,660 --> 01:57:25,372
I I actually have signed Awt and as part of this comprehensive plan.

1603
01:57:25,372 --> 01:57:29,900
It's going to take a lot of different avenues for this.

1604
01:57:29,900 --> 01:57:29,900
And I think we all agreed that.

1605
01:57:29,743 --> 01:57:34,140
So I would like our chair pointed that out, too.

1606
01:57:34,140 --> 01:57:37,885
So we just need to decide what we're going to do them right now.

1607
01:57:37,885 --> 01:57:41,880
I make one comment before we get to that because I see it the same way.

1608
01:57:41,722 --> 01:57:42,356
I'm gonna take my second.

1609
01:57:42,356 --> 01:57:44,725
Go around its.

1610
01:57:44,725 --> 01:57:47,600
We have all vowed to solve water problems and it's difficult to quit.

1611
01:57:47,561 --> 01:57:49,960
When one has more questions than answers.

1612
01:57:49,663 --> 01:57:53,133
But it's also being touted as part of your solution.

1613
01:57:53,133 --> 01:57:54,168
I descended over the lakes are understandable.

1614
01:57:54,168 --> 01:57:54,601
Our citizens.

1615
01:57:54,601 --> 01:57:57,337
But we don't have that privilege.

1616
01:57:57,337 --> 01:57:58,672
And I just don't like I'm not gonna look anymore.

1617
01:57:58,672 --> 01:58:02,242
We need to try to look at.

1618
01:58:02,242 --> 01:58:02,609
Every solution.

1619
01:58:02,609 --> 01:58:05,450
Our own Department of Public Works one size will not fit.

1620
01:58:05,212 --> 01:58:07,848
All one's not going to cure everything.

1621
01:58:07,848 --> 01:58:12,586
If somebody here also trying to present an opportunity, whether it's for.

1622
01:58:12,586 --> 01:58:14,955
Good for Love Island are for-profit regardless.

1623
01:58:14,955 --> 01:58:19,993
The bottom line is it fits into an equation of part of the solution.

1624
01:58:19,993 --> 01:58:23,831
I I do feel part of me feels it's a little premature.

1625
01:58:23,831 --> 01:58:28,535
We have so many moving pieces and some of the solutions coming to us that once we're very early on the process, also.

1626
01:58:28,535 --> 01:58:35,800
And that's why state conflicted but I'm gonna leave it at that for a moment.

1627
01:58:35,509 --> 01:58:35,609
Council.

1628
01:58:35,609 --> 01:58:36,477
Great quickly that I go to public comment.

1629
01:58:36,477 --> 01:58:40,647
If you want to just what am I permitted to make a motion at this point, I suggest to public comment.

1630
01:58:40,647 --> 01:58:43,951
Okay.

1631
01:58:43,951 --> 01:58:45,786
government as we take a moment call the public comment.

1632
01:58:45,786 --> 01:58:46,530
Bring it back up between in.

1633
01:58:46,487 --> 01:58:50,491
Thank you, Joe, who's first on the list?

1634
01:58:50,491 --> 01:58:58,665
Yes, the first person on the list Doctor Bill Trotter followed by MS Julia Brenner.

1635
01:58:58,665 --> 01:59:02,536
Counselor Counselor, you.

1636
01:59:02,536 --> 01:59:04,738
I think approval of this.

1637
01:59:04,738 --> 01:59:08,408
My one of my major concerns is approval of this project.

1638
01:59:08,408 --> 01:59:14,810
We're going forward, at least to the permitting, really implies that it has a public benefit as part of it.

1639
01:59:14,381 --> 01:59:20,320
And that PPP approach very clearly says you need to establish public benefit.

1640
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:28,495
I think one of the reasons to Mr, chaired that you said to run, but a lot of comments is because it had been very well advertised or publicized in terms of the public.

1641
01:59:28,495 --> 01:59:33,200
I actually asked for copies of the pictures.

1642
01:59:33,200 --> 01:59:39,907
If you remember getting getting enlarged and the back from the city is we don't want to we'll have those public workshops and comments to distribute after the approval.

1643
01:59:39,907 --> 01:59:40,574
I'm saying wait a minute.

1644
01:59:40,574 --> 01:59:44,770
The whole point here is to get public involvement.

1645
01:59:44,770 --> 01:59:46,346
And, you know, before the approval.

1646
01:59:46,346 --> 01:59:48,315
So you, you know, the course going forward.

1647
01:59:48,315 --> 01:59:52,686
So that's again, I think it's the public is, as you can hear from the audience is very much against this.

1648
01:59:52,686 --> 02:00:10,700
I think in terms of the FDP I submitted a in an email to you from the F D E P citing a meeting with the proposer and city staff that said basically they would not allow the subject summer.

1649
02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:12,720
The be called the Muck islands or spoil islands in our waterways there.

1650
02:00:12,706 --> 02:00:14,942
You know.

1651
02:00:14,942 --> 02:00:16,877
State or whatever is a real plans.

1652
02:00:16,877 --> 02:00:18,450
And they said absolutely not.

1653
02:00:18,450 --> 02:00:20,800
So if you want me re send that I would be happy to our staff.

1654
02:00:20,314 --> 02:00:22,516
Doesn't have that.

1655
02:00:22,516 --> 02:00:29,423
But they met that was never addressed and that the questions they came You know what, what they had gotten satellite.

1656
02:00:29,423 --> 02:00:33,160
That's important.

1657
02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:38,599
Again, I think it's a it's as I said before my previous correspondents, it's a high-risk project.

1658
02:00:38,599 --> 02:00:53,480
Hurricanes sediment and tidal flow navigation property values and my communication with that with the rest of the community, there's been real concerns and all of those areas that have been expressed and I think it's important it whatever next

1659
02:00:53,480 --> 02:01:06,590
step is to have more of a public type of thing where where the proposal is thoroughly explained and you get a discussion and dialogue with the public as opposed to, you know, and I don't know council meeting or something like that being discussed

1660
02:01:06,293 --> 02:01:11,965
before you make any decisions because I think again, it's it's ultimately the public benefit to establish a public benefit.

1661
02:01:11,965 --> 02:01:17,704
Uni, public input, public discussion and you need and you need this vetted.

1662
02:01:17,704 --> 02:01:32,850
Also the I was at the recent waterways committee with being discussed and they're still talking about alternatives to this in terms of bio type of mechanisms that can that can do something in terms of putting a hard surface on the bottom of

1663
02:01:32,152 --> 02:01:35,555
the canal, which would impede any any future activity.

1664
02:01:35,555 --> 02:01:43,230
And they also mentioned there was a discussion about this Florida key resident, the Florida Keys Restoration Project which is referenced.

1665
02:01:43,230 --> 02:01:59,846
And I think the discussion at that time was that the the Restoration Project head observed or at least in discussion with of the members of the Walk Committee that the central dredging, if you will, which is what this proposal is away from riparian

1666
02:01:59,846 --> 02:02:12,959
rights and that these t walls center that that dredging would they look at that as an alternative look at alternate said this is not a very desirable alternative because it would fill in somewhere around 2 years.

1667
02:02:12,959 --> 02:02:13,427
Naturally.

1668
02:02:13,427 --> 02:02:25,105
So you got number one is you're disturbing the whole bottom initially and the turbidity goes down, sediment get spread all over the place, including your your path for the artificial islands.

1669
02:02:25,105 --> 02:02:29,543
So again, it's they did not recommend this particular.

1670
02:02:29,543 --> 02:02:30,430
Form you know, as part of the project.

1671
02:02:30,377 --> 02:02:38,985
And again, there are alternatives and the whack we've used back in my day and on the council and on the waterways, the committee was used to really get more into the details.

1672
02:02:38,985 --> 02:02:40,530
Know yours.

1673
02:02:40,287 --> 02:02:42,890
That's why you appointed them to really get into this.

1674
02:02:42,155 --> 02:02:43,924
And they were to some degree unaware of December 8th meeting.

1675
02:02:43,924 --> 02:02:47,461
I had to mention it.

1676
02:02:47,461 --> 02:02:48,295
2 that all there is embrace meeting.

1677
02:02:48,295 --> 02:02:59,406
So my point is they need to you have to integrate this process and use the resources that we have in terms of the whack and also get the public, the public input on this in terms of alternatives.

1678
02:02:59,406 --> 02:03:01,441
Again, I think they're just a tremendous, tremendous risk.

1679
02:03:01,441 --> 02:03:06,246
And even as was was observed by the consultants, you know, looking at alternatives.

1680
02:03:06,246 --> 02:03:10,450
And you know, beginning to have a dialogue with the public.

1681
02:03:10,450 --> 02:03:14,200
And as they propose or said, you know, he but he needs a commitment to go forward.

1682
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:19,526
Well, how can we have a commitment without better, without better input from the public and really betting this.

1683
02:03:19,526 --> 02:03:26,299
And again, this probably the most important issue for Marco Island or his a quality of our life and waterways.

1684
02:03:26,299 --> 02:03:26,633
Thank you.

1685
02:03:26,633 --> 02:03:29,436
I try to thank you for your past and continued service to the community next speaker.

1686
02:03:29,436 --> 02:03:34,400
Please.

1687
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:37,770
The next speaker is Julia Brenner followed by Mr.

1688
02:03:37,770 --> 02:03:40,460
Richard Good evening.

1689
02:03:40,380 --> 02:03:43,150
Joya Brenner, Wayne Avenue.

1690
02:03:43,150 --> 02:03:53,293
I want to sincerely thank you for taking the important step of hiring an independent professional review of the Seahawk proposal that was responsible and thoughtful decision.

1691
02:03:53,293 --> 02:03:57,731
And I appreciate the council's commitment to seeking objective information.

1692
02:03:57,731 --> 02:04:07,440
It would also be my hope that if you're going to spend taxpayer dollars on that analysis, that you would actually listen to and respect the findings of that report.

1693
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:08,740
After reading that report.

1694
02:04:08,341 --> 02:04:20,587
I came here tonight, assuming that we would now be on the same page regarding the concerns that raised in great agreement with Vice chair champagnes concerns and questions about this.

1695
02:04:20,587 --> 02:04:26,920
The review outlines significant uncertainties, a non answer questions about the feasibility environmental impacts engineering.

1696
02:04:26,693 --> 02:04:32,299
Details long-term costs of the judging and muck island building concept.

1697
02:04:32,299 --> 02:04:34,670
It also notes that many key components are missing here.

1698
02:04:34,167 --> 02:04:41,575
Such a settlement testing validated water, quality benefits and a clear operational plan.

1699
02:04:41,575 --> 02:04:45,645
There are gaping holes in the proposal as we've all discussed already.

1700
02:04:45,645 --> 02:04:55,755
From what I understand, there's still no evidence showing that this type of dredging would improve water quality in the canals and some environmental experts, even Warren.

1701
02:04:55,755 --> 02:04:58,580
That it could make conditions much worse.

1702
02:04:58,580 --> 02:05:03,129
By stirring up find mock and the pollutants buried there in.

1703
02:05:03,129 --> 02:05:08,568
Causing to bit turbid a And damaging the very ecosystems.

1704
02:05:08,568 --> 02:05:11,471
We are trying to protect.

1705
02:05:11,471 --> 02:05:14,708
Which could be potentially disastrous for marine life.

1706
02:05:14,708 --> 02:05:19,813
And the long-term health of our waters.

1707
02:05:19,813 --> 02:05:26,286
They're also open questions about future maintenance costs, potential impacts on canal navigation.

1708
02:05:26,286 --> 02:05:33,560
And the effect that constructing islands out of mock might have on property owners quality of life.

1709
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:35,896
Those islands could smell awful.

1710
02:05:35,896 --> 02:05:40,800
Ruan water views and destroyed property values.

1711
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:52,946
I can't even begin estimate what this could cost Marco and money and man hours in the future, especially given the destruction that we should expect with frequent hurricanes.

1712
02:05:52,946 --> 02:05:56,983
Because the independent review highlights so many risks and unknowns.

1713
02:05:56,983 --> 02:05:59,152
I came here assuming.

1714
02:05:59,152 --> 02:06:02,722
That we would all be on the same page.

1715
02:06:02,722 --> 02:06:04,570
With so much cost risk and uncertainty.

1716
02:06:04,124 --> 02:06:11,197
It's obvious to me that it would be foolhardy to move forward with this project.

1717
02:06:11,197 --> 02:06:17,237
I do want to express my gratitude for the council's wisdom and diligence and to share my hope.

1718
02:06:17,237 --> 02:06:19,539
That the conclusions.

1719
02:06:19,539 --> 02:06:22,776
Of independent analysis.

1720
02:06:22,776 --> 02:06:25,879
We'll guide you toward putting this proposal to rest.

1721
02:06:25,879 --> 02:06:40,393
Doing so would allow us to focus on more promising and genuine approaches for improving water quality, supporting marine life, protecting property values and enhancing the quality of life for everyone who calls Marco Island home.

1722
02:06:40,393 --> 02:06:44,970
Thank you again for your service and for your thoughtful consideration of this issue.

1723
02:06:44,197 --> 02:06:50,804
Thank you.

1724
02:06:50,804 --> 02:06:51,710
2 councilors tonight.

1725
02:06:51,638 --> 02:06:54,708
Former counselor counselor counts of one.

1726
02:06:54,708 --> 02:06:57,477
Good Evening Council thank you for your service.

1727
02:06:57,477 --> 02:06:57,577
Eric.

1728
02:06:57,577 --> 02:06:59,546
It's so good to see you back at the dais.

1729
02:06:59,546 --> 02:07:00,130
Thank you.

1730
02:07:00,130 --> 02:07:03,183
I'm going to be the.

1731
02:07:03,183 --> 02:07:06,619
On person out and speak in favor of this project.

1732
02:07:06,619 --> 02:07:17,970
I actually I don't have any of you have gone to Crystal River, but Crystal River had the exact same kind of problem and they had a multi-year project and they solve their problem.

1733
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:29,420
They went from having poor water quality, poor turbidity lack shellfish and lack of regular fish and no seaweed to the bottom of their canals.

1734
02:07:29,420 --> 02:07:32,812
After this project, the water is clarified.

1735
02:07:32,812 --> 02:07:35,150
The shellfish came back.

1736
02:07:35,150 --> 02:07:41,755
Other fish came back and their tourism really improved as a result of that.

1737
02:07:41,755 --> 02:07:48,128
So I urge you if you haven't gone to Crystal River go, I could probably take up the name of the engineer.

1738
02:07:48,128 --> 02:07:52,799
couple of It was a different project in Okay.

1739
02:07:52,799 --> 02:07:53,330
The Crystal River project.

1740
02:07:53,233 --> 02:08:02,442
It was similar in that the dredge materials, they dredge material from the bottom, but they use barges and they use vacuum devices like huge vacuum cleaners actually was on the barge.

1741
02:08:02,442 --> 02:08:04,978
He's on a boat.

1742
02:08:04,978 --> 02:08:09,382
And and so this process.

1743
02:08:09,382 --> 02:08:14,200
And then they actually took the barges to land and they had these huge.

1744
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:17,757
They look like big sausage casings to to to put it mildly.

1745
02:08:17,757 --> 02:08:37,277
They're about 9 in diameter and about 2030, feet long and they pump the slurry into the sausage, you know, skins and then the water was actually pumped into but was really a freight container that had chemicals that clean the water and then

1746
02:08:37,277 --> 02:08:41,648
from container, they pump it back into the canal.

1747
02:08:41,648 --> 02:08:42,480
So they went separate.

1748
02:08:42,382 --> 02:08:47,620
The bottom, put it into the sausage, separate the border, treat the water, put it back in the canal.

1749
02:08:47,620 --> 02:08:54,427
Now, the one thing they also did those difference, they planted seagrass after that and the seagrass took off.

1750
02:08:54,427 --> 02:08:56,290
So when I went there, it was incredible.

1751
02:08:56,196 --> 02:08:57,630
You could literally see to the bottom.

1752
02:08:57,630 --> 02:09:03,690
And you can see you can see the seagrass.

1753
02:09:03,690 --> 02:09:07,907
What word to dissimilar is they stored the sausage like containers on vacant.

1754
02:09:07,907 --> 02:09:08,740
Lots.

1755
02:09:08,740 --> 02:09:10,900
We don't have a lot of vacant.

1756
02:09:10,210 --> 02:09:10,543
Lots.

1757
02:09:10,543 --> 02:09:13,947
They had many, many vacant lot right on the edge of the canal.

1758
02:09:13,947 --> 02:09:17,617
So so that's that's a difference.

1759
02:09:17,617 --> 02:09:23,356
And they treated the water too late to Putin's before they put it back into the canals.

1760
02:09:23,356 --> 02:09:31,300
And it actually remove the nitrogen and other it south to of our problems, water quality and the dredging.

1761
02:09:31,300 --> 02:09:37,360
And they had such a problem with the sediment on the bottom that they're, you know, pleasure boats could navigate the canals.

1762
02:09:37,360 --> 02:09:41,407
So this also enhanced navigation.

1763
02:09:41,407 --> 02:09:49,716
Now, the other difference is once they had these big sausages filled with this material, they sold it to farms inland from from Crystal River area.

1764
02:09:49,716 --> 02:09:53,686
I guess, you know, two-thirds of the way up to state.

1765
02:09:53,686 --> 02:09:56,890
So they had farmers come in, put it on trucks and they actually sold it in.

1766
02:09:56,890 --> 02:09:59,926
That looks at some of the cost of the project.

1767
02:09:59,926 --> 02:10:04,797
So what's the uniqueness of our project?

1768
02:10:04,797 --> 02:10:12,939
Well, what Seahawk will do by going directly from the bottom to forming these little islands as we limit the whole need for barging.

1769
02:10:12,939 --> 02:10:20,914
We eliminate all the costs associated with transportation and eliminate all the costs associated with getting rid of this material.

1770
02:10:20,914 --> 02:10:26,186
Now, I've done a little research on my own and there are ways to.

1771
02:10:26,186 --> 02:10:32,759
Line the bottom of these collection islands and feel to them and it's not that's going to be they're going to dump the scrapping the the ONS.

1772
02:10:32,759 --> 02:10:33,927
It's going to be filtered going to be stones.

1773
02:10:33,927 --> 02:10:36,229
But you can enhance that filtration process.

1774
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:41,834
So that's one thing we could They also use same.

1775
02:10:41,834 --> 02:10:47,407
We're going to use a judge material to build islands now what these islands will do is create additional habitat.

1776
02:10:47,407 --> 02:10:49,750
You know, we're going to have a detention.

1777
02:10:49,750 --> 02:10:49,750
We're going to have trees.

1778
02:10:49,742 --> 02:10:51,211
We're going to have stones.

1779
02:10:51,211 --> 02:10:54,614
They're going to attract shellfish and they're going to track questions.

1780
02:10:54,614 --> 02:10:57,500
Fish and birds.

1781
02:10:57,250 --> 02:11:00,587
Well, things that, you know, we value on Marco Island.

1782
02:11:00,587 --> 02:11:02,550
So I would look at them just the initial estimate.

1783
02:11:02,550 --> 02:11:09,950
Please okay.

1784
02:11:09,229 --> 02:11:14,334
I really taking the time to get a quick K all right.

1785
02:11:14,334 --> 02:11:18,371
I'm concerned as a homeowner who lives on San Marco Road.

1786
02:11:18,371 --> 02:11:23,900
3 of you live on the beach and you have absolutely you can see no benefit of this person in your own life.

1787
02:11:23,900 --> 02:11:25,945
I live in San Marco Road not on a canal.

1788
02:11:25,945 --> 02:11:38,240
And I think by cleaning up the waterways and creating these islands, I think we should ask for additional component to provide better access for non motorized boats like come to us.

1789
02:11:38,240 --> 02:11:38,324
Thank you.

1790
02:11:38,324 --> 02:11:39,125
Thank you.

1791
02:11:39,125 --> 02:11:39,626
And I'm available.

1792
02:11:39,626 --> 02:11:49,302
If you want to call me and to have an appointment to talk about the thank U Thank John is that next person up is Miss Cindy Shaw.

1793
02:11:49,302 --> 02:11:52,238
Pullman.

1794
02:11:52,238 --> 02:11:52,705
Followed by Mr.

1795
02:11:52,705 --> 02:12:00,639
John Martini.

1796
02:12:09,889 --> 02:12:12,189
Tom, thank you.

1797
02:12:16,496 --> 02:12:16,896
Sunday supplement.

1798
02:12:16,896 --> 02:12:19,732
Forget 1, 2, 3, 4 treasure court.

1799
02:12:19,732 --> 02:12:27,507
I've lived here full-time for almost 15 years I really I'm not for sure what to say, though.

1800
02:12:27,507 --> 02:12:27,940
I was ready.

1801
02:12:27,940 --> 02:12:33,946
And then as I listen all of you all of you to thank I guess I thought -

1802
02:12:33,946 --> 02:12:34,130
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we to thank I guess I thought -

1803
02:12:34,130 --> 02:12:34,130
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were hank I guess I thought -

1804
02:12:34,113 --> 02:12:34,180
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were done I guess I thought -

1805
02:12:34,180 --> 02:12:34,447
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were done with ss I thought -

1806
02:12:34,447 --> 02:12:34,580
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were done with this. hought -

1807
02:12:34,580 --> 02:12:34,681
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were done with this. I ught -

1808
02:12:34,681 --> 02:12:39,852
though. I was ready. And then as I listen all of you all of we were done with this. I came - to that first meeting when the company that came from Chicago, I believe, told us all about it.

1809
02:12:39,852 --> 02:12:44,324
And then there was another meeting in the daytime.

1810
02:12:44,324 --> 02:12:45,910
And I thought that that was pushed aside.

1811
02:12:45,858 --> 02:12:54,567
Also that it wouldn't really work on the island because one thing I think the company and I'm sorry, I believe it's called.

1812
02:12:54,567 --> 02:12:54,634
Earthworks.

1813
02:12:54,634 --> 02:12:59,772
Is that how they say the company the Chicago McAuliffe.

1814
02:12:59,772 --> 02:13:07,347
They've never really worked on Salt water or they are from the Illinois from Central Illinois.

1815
02:13:07,347 --> 02:13:15,210
We have no salt water and my parents And so I think at the time it all sounded good.

1816
02:13:15,210 --> 02:13:22,280
And also at the time it was 60 million dollars that would have been their first meeting here prices have gone up, but it still be 60 million dollars.

1817
02:13:22,195 --> 02:13:23,960
I don't know.

1818
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:33,720
The other thing would be if if we need to have, I believe this Henry said maybe we need to have like a pilot.

1819
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:37,900
Pro pro program or a place to try it.

1820
02:13:37,443 --> 02:13:45,510
Well, is that going to be perhaps like on the river on the Marco River or Factory Bay.

1821
02:13:45,418 --> 02:13:48,870
I know a lot of fishermen, captains on the island.

1822
02:13:48,870 --> 02:13:52,759
They now tell me when I asked questions because ask a lot of questions on the island.

1823
02:13:52,759 --> 02:13:52,825
This.

1824
02:13:52,825 --> 02:13:55,561
How are the fishing going, guys?

1825
02:13:55,561 --> 02:13:57,290
It's not going good.

1826
02:13:57,130 --> 02:13:59,632
They have to go out a lot farther than they used to go out to catch.

1827
02:13:59,632 --> 02:14:05,371
And you have the fishermen that are closer, inshore fishing and then our shore fishing.

1828
02:14:05,371 --> 02:14:13,546
Allow those guys go up 30 out there going even farher out sometimes because of how awful our water is and what it's doing, you know, to our fish.

1829
02:14:13,546 --> 02:14:14,280
I do live on canal.

1830
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:17,917
My canal I called a little can now.

1831
02:14:17,917 --> 02:14:25,658
yes, I did have a dolphin there once, but I think he was mistaken for where he was for I don't have show my canal anymore.

1832
02:14:25,658 --> 02:14:30,960
I don't really think that I believe that this is an idea that really will work on the island.

1833
02:14:30,863 --> 02:14:42,575
I know the gentleman, the talk before me that they did something at that other place in the Orlando area that seemed to But I also thought that there was one down in the keys that didn't really work.

1834
02:14:42,575 --> 02:14:45,770
And when the company talk to us that day, they said they would do this.

1835
02:14:45,711 --> 02:14:50,850
And again, I apologize with my wording that it would be like a 3 year deal.

1836
02:14:50,850 --> 02:14:53,520
And after the 3 years, then they would go away.

1837
02:14:53,252 --> 02:14:58,900
Well, after the 3 years of let's say the little islands that they put all around, who's going to be in charge of those islands.

1838
02:14:58,858 --> 02:15:03,463
I want to be in charge of those highlands and also some people have talked about.

1839
02:15:03,463 --> 02:15:07,400
Will it affect even my seawall?

1840
02:15:07,400 --> 02:15:12,672
place my see while this year, my insurance uncommon that and I'll be darned c*** certified and replace my seawall again.

1841
02:15:12,672 --> 02:15:14,600
You can all give me the money to replace my seawall.

1842
02:15:14,407 --> 02:15:16,342
But I'm not gonna do it.

1843
02:15:16,342 --> 02:15:29,255
I think th other thing we really need to think about as you are, you are were voted hear from the residents and I've talked to weigh more than 30 people that aren't into this like hundreds hence.

1844
02:15:29,255 --> 02:15:31,891
The reason sometimes I talk are too scared to talk.

1845
02:15:31,891 --> 02:15:33,993
I talk a lot even though I very well.

1846
02:15:33,993 --> 02:15:36,620
So please think about that.

1847
02:15:36,362 --> 02:15:37,290
Think about the residents.

1848
02:15:37,290 --> 02:15:37,960
Think why you're here.

1849
02:15:37,530 --> 02:15:39,165
I mean.

1850
02:15:39,165 --> 02:15:40,199
I think we're all here for a reason.

1851
02:15:40,199 --> 02:15:47,730
But our reasoning of this island, yes, it's changed.

1852
02:15:47,730 --> 02:15:48,908
And you're right, honey, and we know we have change.

1853
02:15:48,908 --> 02:15:52,780
We know we need change, but maybe sometimes this kind of stuff.

1854
02:15:52,378 --> 02:15:53,790
That's a huge change.

1855
02:15:53,790 --> 02:15:54,130
We know our waters crappie.

1856
02:15:54,130 --> 02:15:57,416
They've been talking about that.

1857
02:15:57,416 --> 02:16:08,895
One of the people said maybe since 2016, 2019 things have been, you know, this lawyer does this or this person research is that and those seem to just float away and nobody talks about what we're really talking about it right now.

1858
02:16:08,895 --> 02:16:15,340
So I just don't think this is the thing that is going to really work well for the island, at least until we know more about it.

1859
02:16:15,301 --> 02:16:19,972
And even if there is a place where they're going, try one, what does that try?

1860
02:16:19,972 --> 02:16:22,808
One mean, where would that be?

1861
02:16:22,808 --> 02:16:23,442
certainly think about you guys.

1862
02:16:23,442 --> 02:16:30,583
I mean, I think we all the residents in a so sorry, the residents.

1863
02:16:30,583 --> 02:16:33,920
That's why you're sitting in those 7 So, you know, really think about it.

1864
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,923
And I promise lots of people are talking about it.

1865
02:16:36,923 --> 02:16:45,498
They're just too afraid to come to these meetings, kind of boring Joan, anybody else?

1866
02:16:45,498 --> 02:16:47,700
Yes, we have 2 more speakers.

1867
02:16:47,700 --> 02:16:52,104
Mister John Martini followed by MS Victoria Myers.

1868
02:16:52,104 --> 02:16:54,730
Because I tried to give you a little extra time to finish your thoughts.

1869
02:16:54,574 --> 02:16:55,274
Not to be rude.

1870
02:16:55,274 --> 02:16:56,676
It's a sensitive subject try to keep that in the 4 minutes.

1871
02:16:56,676 --> 02:16:58,611
If you could please.

1872
02:16:58,611 --> 02:17:00,680
Hello, Mister Martin.

1873
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:02,949
Ready set, go.

1874
02:17:02,949 --> 02:17:06,118
John Martini, Nassau Court.

1875
02:17:06,118 --> 02:17:06,385
I'm a resident.

1876
02:17:06,385 --> 02:17:09,221
I'm a taxpayer.

1877
02:17:09,221 --> 02:17:10,890
I don't want the money tree.

1878
02:17:10,222 --> 02:17:11,457
There's no money tree in my backyard.

1879
02:17:11,457 --> 02:17:13,859
And I looked around the island.

1880
02:17:13,859 --> 02:17:14,694
I can't find any money.

1881
02:17:14,694 --> 02:17:16,228
Trees on the island.

1882
02:17:16,228 --> 02:17:18,130
And you folks it up there.

1883
02:17:18,130 --> 02:17:20,900
And I'm not politically correct.

1884
02:17:20,900 --> 02:17:23,169
So I'll say it.

1885
02:17:23,169 --> 02:17:25,710
You want to listen to snake oil salesman.

1886
02:17:25,638 --> 02:17:29,410
Anybody have a synod ridge work.

1887
02:17:29,410 --> 02:17:32,440
I happened to come up from come from Massachusetts and ocean.

1888
02:17:32,211 --> 02:17:37,249
We had 2 harbors these to get dredge periodically the dredges.

1889
02:17:37,249 --> 02:17:38,500
That's a big steam shovel.

1890
02:17:38,351 --> 02:17:38,951
It comes up.

1891
02:17:38,951 --> 02:17:45,758
It's got to bucket full and everything is streaming down at the same time.

1892
02:17:45,758 --> 02:17:50,960
So if you think this dredging is going to be a clean operation, you're all dreaming.

1893
02:17:50,196 --> 02:17:51,764
It's going to be messy.

1894
02:17:51,764 --> 02:17:58,871
It's going to stink because the bottom stink here on these canals, nobody knows what's under there.

1895
02:17:58,871 --> 02:18:05,277
You have no idea and you're not going know until they start doing this nonsense.

1896
02:18:05,277 --> 02:18:08,314
We need an advanced water treatment plant.

1897
02:18:08,314 --> 02:18:22,228
If you're going to spend the money, spend it to And then let these characters come back years from now because they're promising, you know, when I know there's nothing free in this world.

1898
02:18:22,228 --> 02:18:23,796
You're going to do this study for free?

1899
02:18:23,796 --> 02:18:27,366
No, then not.

1900
02:18:27,366 --> 02:18:28,670
One way or the other.

1901
02:18:28,670 --> 02:18:29,769
And counselor Champagne is correct.

1902
02:18:29,769 --> 02:18:32,380
We're going to be on the hook for this.

1903
02:18:32,380 --> 02:18:37,760
You can end this very quickly because Mr.

1904
02:18:37,543 --> 02:18:39,845
Martin got the report most and more.

1905
02:18:39,845 --> 02:18:46,952
You read And you still think this is worth pursuing.

1906
02:18:46,952 --> 02:18:47,753
You've done more than I ever thought.

1907
02:18:47,753 --> 02:18:50,756
You were.

1908
02:18:50,756 --> 02:18:51,157
Folks.

1909
02:18:51,157 --> 02:18:55,127
There's your answer out right here.

1910
02:18:55,127 --> 02:18:56,629
They're being very nice.

1911
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:58,640
But they're saying I'm calling them snake oil salesman.

1912
02:18:58,397 --> 02:19:02,134
They're being polite about it.

1913
02:19:02,134 --> 02:19:08,400
So take Let's be photo be respectful to everything, guys.

1914
02:19:08,340 --> 02:19:09,108
He's entitled to his opinion.

1915
02:19:09,108 --> 02:19:10,900
There's nothing against his freedom of speech.

1916
02:19:10,342 --> 02:19:17,516
Whether you like it or not, gets nasty Certainly.

1917
02:19:17,516 --> 02:19:23,956
Councilor the chair Rechnitz said here and got buried in one day and took it like a man and smiled left us title to speak.

1918
02:19:23,956 --> 02:19:26,525
I want get to a point where you think it's approaching citizens rights.

1919
02:19:26,525 --> 02:19:26,792
Let me know.

1920
02:19:26,792 --> 02:19:30,429
don't think the gavel who's next in there.

1921
02:19:30,429 --> 02:19:35,340
The last person who's registered to speak his miss Victoria Myers.

1922
02:19:35,340 --> 02:19:37,970
Good evening, counselors, Victoria Myers, Bluebonnet Court.

1923
02:19:37,970 --> 02:19:39,538
I'm part of the 99% Club.

1924
02:19:39,538 --> 02:19:42,740
And terror plum bow.

1925
02:19:42,575 --> 02:19:47,120
If you haven't heard from in people, I invite everybody in the community.

1926
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:47,847
He's watching tonight.

1927
02:19:47,847 --> 02:19:51,784
Spread the word Shater to let him know how you feel.

1928
02:19:51,784 --> 02:19:52,510
All right.

1929
02:19:52,118 --> 02:19:53,986
Just made all of us, correct.

1930
02:19:53,986 --> 02:19:57,890
But it seems like a lot the people have heard more.

1931
02:19:57,356 --> 02:19:59,525
So I'm just trying to help out.

1932
02:19:59,525 --> 02:20:04,797
This is an unsolicited 60 Million Dollar project unsolicited.

1933
02:20:04,797 --> 02:20:09,468
And I'm just going to briefly kept I learned here tonight.

1934
02:20:09,468 --> 02:20:20,246
We hired Homestead in more independently and my takeaway tonight is number one, there's no assurances number 2, lots of risk.

1935
02:20:20,246 --> 02:20:20,980
Number 3 lack of presidents.

1936
02:20:20,980 --> 02:20:31,857
This is not been done if you really wanted to do this, they should be able to tell us what the result is going to be, how they can measure how much it's improved.

1937
02:20:31,857 --> 02:20:32,458
Our water quality.

1938
02:20:32,458 --> 02:20:34,527
They've never once got near that.

1939
02:20:34,527 --> 02:20:38,898
I do find it concerning that the Naples Botanical Garden is still being referenced.

1940
02:20:38,898 --> 02:20:43,702
And apparently there was a meeting that they should or were part of that.

1941
02:20:43,702 --> 02:20:48,407
The EPA said no to these islands and they are not.

1942
02:20:48,407 --> 02:20:48,607
Voicing that.

1943
02:20:48,607 --> 02:20:51,210
That is their understanding.

1944
02:20:51,210 --> 02:20:55,140
Now, whether that's a lack of understanding or holding back, I don't know.

1945
02:20:55,140 --> 02:20:55,714
But that's a concern to me.

1946
02:20:55,714 --> 02:20:58,617
Also.

1947
02:20:58,617 --> 02:21:01,587
I don't know why our city would move forward.

1948
02:21:01,587 --> 02:21:05,591
It with this partnership.

1949
02:21:05,591 --> 02:21:11,430
I do think it's going to be multi-pronged and they do think Awt is a very important and probably first step.

1950
02:21:11,430 --> 02:21:23,909
So in that regard, all the citizens out there again, please sign the petition to put Awt on our ballot next November and one to spare vote.

1951
02:21:23,909 --> 02:21:24,743
Yes.

1952
02:21:24,743 --> 02:21:26,780
Thank you very much.

1953
02:21:26,278 --> 02:21:27,413
Thank you.

1954
02:21:27,413 --> 02:21:29,181
Of month.

1955
02:21:29,181 --> 02:21:32,218
Any further comments?

1956
02:21:32,218 --> 02:21:35,588
There is no further public comment.

1957
02:21:35,588 --> 02:21:36,550
Guys, life-size cows again.

1958
02:21:36,355 --> 02:21:39,391
They want to speak.

1959
02:21:39,391 --> 02:21:42,962
This is a time to make a motion.

1960
02:21:42,962 --> 02:21:43,950
Absolutely.

1961
02:21:43,950 --> 02:21:45,640
It's acceptable with the grounds.

1962
02:21:45,631 --> 02:21:53,873
I moved to the climate proposal, not proceed with any agreement, either an interim agreement or a comprehensive agreement.

1963
02:21:53,873 --> 02:21:59,445
And that is based on the dramatic complexity, the incredible work hours that would be taken.

1964
02:21:59,445 --> 02:22:05,317
I think there be a great deal of legal effort to try even craft an interim or final agreement.

1965
02:22:05,317 --> 02:22:17,263
And I think our resources contained enough that we can even entertain this with the other projects we have to take serious consideration for cancer.

1966
02:22:17,263 --> 02:22:20,232
want to shorten that down to just a declining of it.

1967
02:22:20,232 --> 02:22:21,634
I moved to decline.

1968
02:22:21,634 --> 02:22:23,200
The proposal not proceed with an agreement avoid Mr.

1969
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:23,936
please.

1970
02:22:23,936 --> 02:22:33,120
I don't think we can offer a the negative in the negative.

1971
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:38,817
That of turnover effect by what we cannot do.

1972
02:22:38,817 --> 02:22:40,252
it's that the Finnish that's what our city attorney weigh in.

1973
02:22:40,252 --> 02:22:43,322
That is correct.

1974
02:22:43,322 --> 02:22:48,270
We are your your rules basically provide to be positive emotion.

1975
02:22:48,270 --> 02:22:48,594
Yeah, very good.

1976
02:22:48,594 --> 02:22:52,731
So other option is that.

1977
02:22:52,731 --> 02:22:57,236
The asked for a motion to approve and it doesn't get a motion.

1978
02:22:57,236 --> 02:23:02,410
Second, then it dies on the management go to next.

1979
02:23:02,410 --> 02:23:02,740
As I appreciate.

1980
02:23:02,308 --> 02:23:08,470
I just find that was going least finish up executive brief potential motions and or 2.

1981
02:23:08,470 --> 02:23:10,182
I read it the way it was put in the executive branch.

1982
02:23:10,182 --> 02:23:15,354
So I actually thought it was found the coaching of the city.

1983
02:23:15,354 --> 02:23:16,488
Of learning as before.

1984
02:23:16,488 --> 02:23:18,490
so the just any other light Signs Co counsels.

1985
02:23:18,490 --> 02:23:20,492
Business analysts thing.

1986
02:23:20,492 --> 02:23:22,962
I think we're dealing with this at some point.

1987
02:23:22,962 --> 02:23:23,950
Cleaning them up.

1988
02:23:23,195 --> 02:23:27,232
Seems like it's viable solution.

1989
02:23:27,232 --> 02:23:30,736
Our last 2 speakers might have hit the nail on the head with a city wt.

1990
02:23:30,736 --> 02:23:35,674
First we have a process clean up what's going in first and we have to look at what's in there.

1991
02:23:35,674 --> 02:23:40,245
Some of these and deal with this, whether be also something down the road, it's going to be unpleasant task and you're going.

1992
02:23:40,245 --> 02:23:46,552
If a list of the impaired you can get, please, please, please you're going you're going to we're going to deal with.

1993
02:23:46,552 --> 02:23:47,860
And now we're going to that down the road.

1994
02:23:47,686 --> 02:23:50,222
It seems to me.

1995
02:23:50,222 --> 02:23:59,640
That that there's a conflicting thoughts we have we know we're going to or we hear from our experts and they say it's part of this equation.

1996
02:23:59,198 --> 02:24:01,300
But as the part of the equation today, so that's rice.

1997
02:24:01,300 --> 02:24:04,300
They conflicted with that counsel.

1998
02:24:04,300 --> 02:24:05,504
I just want to clarify our rules.

1999
02:24:05,504 --> 02:24:10,609
So section 7 C.

2000
02:24:10,609 --> 02:24:16,448
Where he referred to that we cannot Motion shall be made in an affirmative.

2001
02:24:16,448 --> 02:24:18,830
But we do need to follow these rules.

2002
02:24:18,117 --> 02:24:22,488
I know there was negative motion made at the last meeting also.

2003
02:24:22,488 --> 02:24:23,880
So let's really keen and thank you.

2004
02:24:23,589 --> 02:24:24,690
Thank you.

2005
02:24:24,690 --> 02:24:30,362
Can I get a motion to approve?

2006
02:24:30,362 --> 02:24:32,831
Dies for lack of emotion.

2007
02:24:32,831 --> 02:24:40,839
Next on agenda item 16.

2008
02:24:40,839 --> 02:24:41,373
5 minute break.

2009
02:24:41,373 --> 02:24:49,773
Please.

2010
02:26:03,880 --> 02:26:03,880
We are all on 16 item.

2011
02:26:03,856 --> 02:26:06,258
items removed from the consent agenda.

2012
02:26:06,258 --> 02:26:06,892
I see it right here.

2013
02:26:06,892 --> 02:26:11,960
Ready to go most my mic Okay.

2014
02:26:11,296 --> 02:26:20,439
Just have to this the resolution approving the uniform method for collecting non ad valorem assessments I would like to read the title 4.

2015
02:26:20,439 --> 02:26:27,913
I would just like the room to be I would like to read the title resolution.

2016
02:26:27,913 --> 02:26:45,970
25 59 into record resolution of the City Council of Marco Island, Florida, electing to use uniform method of collecting non ad valorem assessments for more than one year levied in Marco Island, Florida stating in need for such levy providing

2017
02:26:45,163 --> 02:26:49,535
for the mailing of this resolution and providing an effective date.

2018
02:26:49,535 --> 02:26:53,380
Good evening Council Carol McDermott finance.

2019
02:26:53,380 --> 02:27:06,451
I really appreciate the opportunity to provide an overview of this resolution and they want to something straight Council asked me to be very clear that this resolution and the approval of this resolution for the non.

2020
02:27:06,451 --> 02:27:12,157
I say this ad valorem taxes.

2021
02:27:12,157 --> 02:27:15,627
Are have anything to do with the future referendums that we're working on.

2022
02:27:15,627 --> 02:27:32,377
This is a the adoption of this resolution is only for the purpose of complying with the statutory requirements that the city publicly announce to the public to the Florida Department of revenue to Collier County Property appraiser and the call

2023
02:27:32,377 --> 02:27:35,280
Collier County tax collector.

2024
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:35,814
Before January.

2025
02:27:35,814 --> 02:27:38,617
First 2026, which I can't believe it.

2026
02:27:38,617 --> 02:27:40,819
It's coming up so fast.

2027
02:27:40,819 --> 02:27:44,356
We're talking about the on the calendar.

2028
02:27:44,356 --> 02:27:47,920
And I also can't believe the room cleared and we're talking about assessments.

2029
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:55,667
just say that we do this before January first, 2026 sets a statutory requirement.

2030
02:27:55,667 --> 02:28:05,177
it's really that we may levy the non ad valorem assessments we do as a city have some assessments.

2031
02:28:05,177 --> 02:28:06,812
One is for your waste disposal.

2032
02:28:06,812 --> 02:28:10,282
So that's included.

2033
02:28:10,282 --> 02:28:14,286
And the other one is the sewer septic to sewer replacement.

2034
02:28:14,286 --> 02:28:16,880
That's a 20 program.

2035
02:28:16,588 --> 02:28:22,260
That's on the tax bills for the for the by region and some of them are rolling off.

2036
02:28:22,260 --> 02:28:27,332
And you know, so that's a rolling 20 years depending upon when that went into play.

2037
02:28:27,332 --> 02:28:29,267
So I can give you a brief overview of what these they are.

2038
02:28:29,267 --> 02:28:37,175
The assessments are special charges for specific services They will appear in the property tax bill.

2039
02:28:37,175 --> 02:28:41,847
These charges and not calculated based on your property value.

2040
02:28:41,847 --> 02:28:45,150
So it's not based on the assessed value of your property.

2041
02:28:45,150 --> 02:28:46,118
They're calculated.

2042
02:28:46,118 --> 02:28:48,820
That could be a flat fee per unit basis.

2043
02:28:48,820 --> 02:28:54,526
But its based on a what they call a benefit principle.

2044
02:28:54,526 --> 02:28:59,531
so they charged the owners who benefit from the specific services or improvements.

2045
02:28:59,531 --> 02:29:03,835
So again, it's on your tax bill that's not related to your property valuation.

2046
02:29:03,835 --> 02:29:06,872
These assessments are not part of what we're trying to do with the referendum.

2047
02:29:06,872 --> 02:29:07,506
Any referendum.

2048
02:29:07,506 --> 02:29:09,741
It's a standard fare.

2049
02:29:09,741 --> 02:29:15,781
This is really to fill us a statutory requirement that excuse me.

2050
02:29:15,781 --> 02:29:15,947
It's late.

2051
02:29:15,947 --> 02:29:25,570
You also provide the council flexibility as we move into Fy 27 for special assessments.

2052
02:29:25,123 --> 02:29:30,562
They It's ths is the first thank you questions.

2053
02:29:30,562 --> 02:29:30,729
Council Henry.

2054
02:29:30,729 --> 02:29:34,566
I move to approve a second that.

2055
02:29:34,566 --> 02:29:38,300
motion by counsel Henry second by Council swan.

2056
02:29:38,300 --> 02:29:39,371
Council, vice Chair Champagne.

2057
02:29:39,371 --> 02:29:57,389
Your light signs I have a question with regard to Assessment of well I guess the method of collecting Real estate assessments.

2058
02:29:57,389 --> 02:30:02,940
Is this something new or have we done this every year for last years?

2059
02:30:02,940 --> 02:30:02,940
We do this every year.

2060
02:30:02,694 --> 02:30:07,199
If you look at your tax bill, at mine.

2061
02:30:07,199 --> 02:30:08,330
Said education itself a little bit really now.

2062
02:30:08,300 --> 02:30:16,700
And I had to read my tax bill instead of blindly pay You'll see there's a section for your non ad valorem taxes and I'll show you, you're you right now.

2063
02:30:16,341 --> 02:30:25,984
My has waste disposal other part of Residents will have waste disposal and it may have something with the water sewer for those septic to sewer replacement.

2064
02:30:25,984 --> 02:30:33,580
All right.

2065
02:30:33,580 --> 02:30:40,866
Are there any guardrails, I assume under this authorization the city could assess any amount for any purpose of teams appropriate?

2066
02:30:40,866 --> 02:30:41,933
Is that correct?

2067
02:30:41,933 --> 02:30:42,434
That is correct.

2068
02:30:42,434 --> 02:30:46,238
But you'd have to to a vote that have to be another resolution.

2069
02:30:46,238 --> 02:30:46,905
You have public comment.

2070
02:30:46,905 --> 02:30:49,541
It's.

2071
02:30:49,541 --> 02:30:53,780
have to do it within a time frame to have all of that approved with public comment.

2072
02:30:53,512 --> 02:31:01,190
The resolution approved before you can get this on November tax bill.

2073
02:31:01,190 --> 02:31:01,860
Okay.

2074
02:31:01,860 --> 02:31:01,860
So Carol, thank you for that.

2075
02:31:01,820 --> 02:31:14,990
Those I think the community need to hear that this is the normal course improving this because we have ongoing expenses that we do pass through under this basis.

2076
02:31:14,990 --> 02:31:24,409
But there are strong safeguards that this would interest and other types of assessments that would put the community and some tax bill without those strong approval.

2077
02:31:24,409 --> 02:31:24,676
The council.

2078
02:31:24,676 --> 02:31:24,843
Thank you.

2079
02:31:24,843 --> 02:31:27,846
Thank you.

2080
02:31:27,846 --> 02:31:28,613
See no other light signs.

2081
02:31:28,613 --> 02:31:31,983
Do we have any public comment on There is no public comment for this item.

2082
02:31:31,983 --> 02:31:32,830
Very good.

2083
02:31:32,150 --> 02:31:32,651
Call the roll.

2084
02:31:32,651 --> 02:31:36,755
Please.

2085
02:31:36,755 --> 02:31:39,257
And counselor Henry.

2086
02:31:39,257 --> 02:31:41,459
Councilor Yes.

2087
02:31:41,459 --> 02:31:43,962
Councilor gray Agholor.

2088
02:31:43,962 --> 02:31:44,930
Yes.

2089
02:31:44,930 --> 02:31:47,499
Councilor Brecht next.

2090
02:31:47,499 --> 02:31:47,732
Yes.

2091
02:31:47,732 --> 02:31:50,135
Vice chair champagne.

2092
02:31:50,135 --> 02:31:50,368
Yes.

2093
02:31:50,368 --> 02:31:52,804
And chair Paul about yes, motion passes 7 to 0.

2094
02:31:52,804 --> 02:31:56,308
Thank you very much.

2095
02:31:56,308 --> 02:31:56,641
All right.

2096
02:31:56,641 --> 02:32:00,946
The other item removed from consent agenda which is now at 16 E.

2097
02:32:00,946 --> 02:32:03,448
I move this can from consent agenda.

2098
02:32:03,448 --> 02:32:08,787
Reason being it's spoke with Casey today weekly meetings.

2099
02:32:08,787 --> 02:32:12,900
I just want to know, Joe, this building is fairly new.

2100
02:32:12,324 --> 02:32:12,824
Wright told just knew.

2101
02:32:12,824 --> 02:32:16,862
I mean, the whole just as Bill Clinton, Chris, 2007.

2102
02:32:16,862 --> 02:32:18,630
don't know.

2103
02:32:18,630 --> 02:32:22,400
17, 17 are 17.

2104
02:32:22,400 --> 02:32:23,668
2019 at 7 years old.

2105
02:32:23,668 --> 02:32:26,538
Okay.

2106
02:32:26,538 --> 02:32:30,876
So I don't understand how we already having like almost $86,000.

2107
02:32:30,876 --> 02:32:35,460
So so just a question, what we're doing things.

2108
02:32:35,460 --> 02:32:45,900
So that proposal is worst-case scenario because the leaks inside the wall and we've been trying find this for quite some time now, the only thing that we can do is I got a proposal for a worst-case scenario where this week, as with all removing

2109
02:32:45,900 --> 02:32:52,397
all the drywall, it's in the apparatus Bay, that's underneath all the showers that we think the water is coming from.

2110
02:32:52,397 --> 02:32:56,601
So if we do that, that price, we will go down if they find the leak right away.

2111
02:32:56,601 --> 02:33:00,839
So that leak is encompassing replacing everything.

2112
02:33:00,839 --> 02:33:02,374
And that's worst case scenario.

2113
02:33:02,374 --> 02:33:07,780
And it's epc which or they can be more of a brutal plumbing.

2114
02:33:07,780 --> 02:33:12,500
So the spectrum packs which is a softer last longer supposedly.

2115
02:33:12,500 --> 02:33:14,850
So that is the don't like I said, that's the worst case scenario on there.

2116
02:33:14,452 --> 02:33:18,456
If they finally right away and the plumbing number would go way down.

2117
02:33:18,456 --> 02:33:26,932
However, the drywall number, which is the 42,400 that number will stay because then that's going entire lower area of the year.

2118
02:33:26,932 --> 02:33:34,239
Upper area of the Apparatus Bay needs to be replaced and that also includes drywall and mechanical area in the utility room, which is behind the shower areas.

2119
02:33:34,239 --> 02:33:37,420
So we can't pinpoint an area.

2120
02:33:37,142 --> 02:33:37,876
We've we've tried multiple times.

2121
02:33:37,876 --> 02:33:46,785
We even had a company come in 2 thermal scans and we tried to Clark and grout everywhere that they gave us locations of the thought it might be coming from.

2122
02:33:46,785 --> 02:33:47,850
And felt like it got a little bit better.

2123
02:33:47,719 --> 02:33:48,386
And then it just came back.

2124
02:33:48,386 --> 02:33:51,189
Do you do have an ideal cause of it?

2125
02:33:51,189 --> 02:33:55,260
Not until we will remove all the drywall so it could be a waistline.

2126
02:33:55,260 --> 02:34:04,769
It could be shower lines behind one of the showers and this is leaking and traveling water always finds the least point of resistance so it can come out 20 feet away from coming.

2127
02:34:04,769 --> 02:34:07,672
So we won't know until we start removing the drywall.

2128
02:34:07,672 --> 02:34:08,940
Thank you.

2129
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:10,875
And number on the bottom, which is not included.

2130
02:34:10,875 --> 02:34:12,944
The 65,000 are sorry.

2131
02:34:12,944 --> 02:34:15,113
The 65,750.

2132
02:34:15,113 --> 02:34:18,550
That is in case we have to redo shower pans.

2133
02:34:18,550 --> 02:34:24,890
So the shower pans were installed incorrectly at the time of the building being constructed.

2134
02:34:24,890 --> 02:34:26,240
Then we will have to replace all those shower pens.

2135
02:34:26,191 --> 02:34:27,759
And that's a much larger project.

2136
02:34:27,759 --> 02:34:30,996
Did not put that in here because we're hopeful that that's not it.

2137
02:34:30,996 --> 02:34:35,467
If it ends up being that will have to come back in as counsel for more funds.

2138
02:34:35,467 --> 02:34:35,734
Thank you.

2139
02:34:35,734 --> 02:34:42,700
Joe counts of reckless move to approve.

2140
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:42,307
Second.

2141
02:34:42,307 --> 02:34:43,908
We have a motion by council back just a second by a counsel.

2142
02:34:43,908 --> 02:34:44,609
Sean.

2143
02:34:44,609 --> 02:34:48,680
Kessler, a Jewish speak.

2144
02:34:48,680 --> 02:34:49,914
Just one quick question.

2145
02:34:49,914 --> 02:34:50,582
If their father to sharp.

2146
02:34:50,582 --> 02:34:52,517
And so the installation was impaired.

2147
02:34:52,517 --> 02:34:55,954
Do we have any recourse to the vendors or do we have to eat this?

2148
02:34:55,954 --> 02:34:59,324
So we did reach out to our insurance consultant to see.

2149
02:34:59,324 --> 02:35:04,796
And it seems like we won't have any recourse other than if it is the shower pans, then we might be able to do that.

2150
02:35:04,796 --> 02:35:06,698
So to to your point, shower pans.

2151
02:35:06,698 --> 02:35:12,570
Give We did need to get some reimbursement, not with anything else, Thank you.

2152
02:35:12,570 --> 02:35:13,872
I'll just make one quick comment.

2153
02:35:13,872 --> 02:35:15,740
I had the same thoughts Co counsels.

2154
02:35:15,740 --> 02:35:16,740
Why are we on the hook?

2155
02:35:16,374 --> 02:35:19,277
It's pretty new facility.

2156
02:35:19,277 --> 02:35:23,548
I trust you're looking at all options and all the viable solutions to keep the taxpayers obligation down.

2157
02:35:23,548 --> 02:35:24,916
But at the end of the day has to be done.

2158
02:35:24,916 --> 02:35:28,530
This is no way around And we have anybody signed up for public.

2159
02:35:28,530 --> 02:35:29,387
Speaking for the show.

2160
02:35:29,387 --> 02:35:31,222
We do not have anyone signed up for this.

2161
02:35:31,222 --> 02:35:36,795
You would please call the roll.

2162
02:35:36,795 --> 02:35:37,128
?

2163
02:35:37,128 --> 02:35:40,131
Councilor Breck next.

2164
02:35:40,131 --> 02:35:40,331
Councilor swan.

2165
02:35:40,331 --> 02:35:42,967
Yes.

2166
02:35:42,967 --> 02:35:43,635
Vice chair champagne.

2167
02:35:43,635 --> 02:35:45,603
Yes.

2168
02:35:45,603 --> 02:35:47,439
Councilor Henry.

2169
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:49,541
Yes, Councilor gray U.S.

2170
02:35:49,541 --> 02:35:51,242
Councilor Kohler.

2171
02:35:51,242 --> 02:35:51,409
Yes.

2172
02:35:51,409 --> 02:35:53,511
And chair Palumbo.

2173
02:35:53,511 --> 02:35:54,790
Yes, motion passes 7, 0.

2174
02:35:54,179 --> 02:35:56,614
Thank you.

2175
02:35:56,614 --> 02:36:01,252
All right, Council communications, future agenda, items like science.

2176
02:36:01,252 --> 02:36:03,221
Councilor Henry up first.

2177
02:36:03,221 --> 02:36:07,392
I just wanted to throw out there.

2178
02:36:07,392 --> 02:36:09,861
That was a great time.

2179
02:36:09,861 --> 02:36:11,620
Its Christmas tree lighting on Saturday I know I saw counts.

2180
02:36:11,496 --> 02:36:17,402
The poem, though, and I saw council's fun and I all social media that Dr Lucious is there with her family.

2181
02:36:17,402 --> 02:36:22,574
So a big thank you to Christmas Island style for their hard So that.

2182
02:36:22,574 --> 02:36:30,215
We do have a fabulous Christmas on the island was a beautiful night and it just made me love living in this small town.

2183
02:36:30,215 --> 02:36:31,820
This coming weekend is the Christmas parade.

2184
02:36:31,583 --> 02:36:36,821
The parade starts at 6.30 The route is down San Marco Road from Balfour to Barfield.

2185
02:36:36,821 --> 02:36:39,900
So for the newbies out there, get your lawn chair out.

2186
02:36:39,691 --> 02:36:46,531
You'll start to see him showing off this week and secure a spot to enjoy this fabulous holiday tradition.

2187
02:36:46,531 --> 02:36:50,340
So basically, thank you, everyone have a wonderful holiday.

2188
02:36:50,335 --> 02:36:51,690
Merry Christmas.

2189
02:36:51,690 --> 02:36:53,138
Happy Hanukkah and looking forward to seeing you all next year.

2190
02:36:53,138 --> 02:36:54,205
Thank you.

2191
02:36:54,205 --> 02:36:57,609
Council wrecked it.

2192
02:36:57,609 --> 02:37:04,249
Yeah, I I just would like to 2, jet with a staffer just a moment.

2193
02:37:04,249 --> 02:37:10,622
Ed Henry, constant articles most recent want today.

2194
02:37:10,622 --> 02:37:14,592
By the governor of the state of Florida.

2195
02:37:14,592 --> 02:37:19,230
Relative to the elimination are greatly curtailing.

2196
02:37:19,230 --> 02:37:20,431
Property taxes.

2197
02:37:20,431 --> 02:37:29,174
And I see a number of potential proposals that floating around out of that introduced it to committee.

2198
02:37:29,174 --> 02:37:30,740
That there's lots of conversation as I'm sure.

2199
02:37:30,141 --> 02:37:34,245
You know, Casey.

2200
02:37:34,245 --> 02:37:48,590
I'm I'm really concerned that that limit the exemption that they they take their homestead property out of.

2201
02:37:48,590 --> 02:37:53,798
equation for assessing property taxes, which would have a profound effect on us.

2202
02:37:53,798 --> 02:37:56,340
And and how we go forward.

2203
02:37:56,340 --> 02:37:59,470
And I think it's important to start.

2204
02:37:59,470 --> 02:38:04,943
Communicate with their.

2205
02:38:04,943 --> 02:38:09,547
Legislative group through through Mister Booker, maybe directly.

2206
02:38:09,547 --> 02:38:13,718
As to what kind of alternatives are going to give us.

2207
02:38:13,718 --> 02:38:20,910
If that option is taken away because city is is constituted.

2208
02:38:20,910 --> 02:38:23,928
Cannot survive without that income.

2209
02:38:23,928 --> 02:38:27,650
8% revenue comes from property tax income.

2210
02:38:27,650 --> 02:38:38,643
And then we take a significant part of that away that that's going to have really difficult make it made it very difficult for us to proceed.

2211
02:38:38,643 --> 02:38:45,283
So yes, bring it Read another article where the governor said that last year.

2212
02:38:45,283 --> 02:38:47,619
In 2020.

2213
02:38:47,619 --> 02:38:52,900
A four-week elected 52 billion in property taxes for the state.

2214
02:38:52,657 --> 02:38:54,250
Then.

2215
02:38:54,250 --> 02:39:00,865
Now they've gotten this year over 70.

2216
02:39:00,865 --> 02:39:01,650
Anything that kind back.

2217
02:39:01,432 --> 02:39:08,306
And I'm afraid with another 2 years in office are more than 2 years.

2218
02:39:08,306 --> 02:39:12,877
just about 2 years that the governor will.

2219
02:39:12,877 --> 02:39:14,746
Well, also be pushing for that.

2220
02:39:14,746 --> 02:39:16,781
So do we have an option?

2221
02:39:16,781 --> 02:39:20,840
And and what to wear like that?

2222
02:39:20,451 --> 02:39:21,686
Officials say about what options there might exist.

2223
02:39:21,686 --> 02:39:25,757
Wars.

2224
02:39:25,757 --> 02:39:40,438
It's all to council right council, vice chair Champagne, thank I've had it covers a nation with our interim city manager.

2225
02:39:40,438 --> 02:39:45,900
with regard to the failure to review financial results for fiscal.

2226
02:39:45,310 --> 02:39:47,512
25.

2227
02:39:47,512 --> 02:39:52,917
Which I think extremely serious.

2228
02:39:52,917 --> 02:39:55,987
She indicated they will no longer never again occur.

2229
02:39:55,987 --> 02:40:04,195
There are reasons why it may have occurred my personal opinion is we should have had.

2230
02:40:04,195 --> 02:40:07,699
Review of the financial results at this meeting.

2231
02:40:07,699 --> 02:40:13,371
I was upset it wasn't on the agenda.

2232
02:40:13,371 --> 02:40:20,111
is it appropriate to ask questions of the director of finance?

2233
02:40:20,111 --> 02:40:27,618
There have been questions and passed as we were coming close to end of the fiscal year.

2234
02:40:27,618 --> 02:40:32,790
That perhaps the city was generating far more revenue than expenses.

2235
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:40,565
And we might have generated as much 1.5 million excess of expenses.

2236
02:40:40,565 --> 02:40:46,237
What did occur?

2237
02:40:46,237 --> 02:40:50,410
I don't have the sheet with I remember that.

2238
02:40:50,410 --> 02:40:51,800
Yeah, I can.

2239
02:40:51,309 --> 02:40:52,900
I can give you a quick summary.

2240
02:40:52,430 --> 02:40:53,911
I don't have the sheet in front of me.

2241
02:40:53,911 --> 02:40:54,278
Carol has prepared it.

2242
02:40:54,278 --> 02:41:02,453
And she reviewed the year and financials with the audit Committee last week.

2243
02:41:02,453 --> 02:41:06,230
She's going to finalize that document and then we'll email it to all of the council.

2244
02:41:06,230 --> 02:41:09,460
So you don't have to wait until January to receive that.

2245
02:41:09,460 --> 02:41:11,696
But just to just to answer your questions.

2246
02:41:11,696 --> 02:41:22,173
So Fy 25 total General fund revenues were 32.6 million fy 25 total general fund expenses.

2247
02:41:22,173 --> 02:41:25,510
We're about 32.1 million.

2248
02:41:25,510 --> 02:41:36,530
So we had about 500,000 that work was able to go back to general fund reserves at the end of the year.

2249
02:41:36,530 --> 02:41:44,695
That aligns with That aligns with what every college has been trying to research.

2250
02:41:44,695 --> 02:41:48,833
Some of the variances actual versus budget year over year.

2251
02:41:48,833 --> 02:41:53,404
So that's where my focus has been is is cleaning that up so that they.

2252
02:41:53,404 --> 02:41:54,939
The explanations a cogent we can move things forward.

2253
02:41:54,939 --> 02:41:57,575
We did get feedback from the audit committee.

2254
02:41:57,575 --> 02:42:01,646
One of the things that's missing from report, which would into this right away.

2255
02:42:01,646 --> 02:42:04,916
So we have to do the math my head is adding that line to the report.

2256
02:42:04,916 --> 02:42:10,822
So that shows, you know, revenue minds expense actual versus budget where we stand.

2257
02:42:10,822 --> 02:42:18,362
You know, we are For the year and then how it looks versus the prior year.

2258
02:42:18,362 --> 02:42:24,702
And I know you're working on closing a lot.

2259
02:42:24,702 --> 02:42:26,704
It's absolutely upsetting that.

2260
02:42:26,704 --> 02:42:29,841
We don't close our books.

2261
02:42:29,841 --> 02:42:32,677
What I would classify as being on time.

2262
02:42:32,677 --> 02:42:33,770
And we're here.

2263
02:42:33,770 --> 02:42:34,412
We are.

2264
02:42:34,412 --> 02:42:38,316
You know, still.

2265
02:42:38,316 --> 02:42:38,850
Wondering about fiscal.

2266
02:42:38,850 --> 02:42:40,184
25 should never occur.

2267
02:42:40,184 --> 02:42:50,761
This is just I know that up to your hips and alligators here, it should never occur again.

2268
02:42:50,761 --> 02:42:53,397
And the sooner we can get the information and better.

2269
02:42:53,397 --> 02:42:57,235
I don't think anyone on this council has seen a balance sheet and 12 months.

2270
02:42:57,235 --> 02:43:00,705
That's a shame.

2271
02:43:00,705 --> 02:43:02,707
concur.

2272
02:43:02,707 --> 02:43:09,800
do agree, as I've stated to the audit committee, the short term goals are year end on it.

2273
02:43:09,800 --> 02:43:19,657
feel that the audit will be beneficial understanding where we can improve because we do need to turn around and get the information out faster.

2274
02:43:19,657 --> 02:43:22,660
So we understand it.

2275
02:43:22,660 --> 02:43:26,898
So I'm looking forward to being able to improve the process ease as we move into as we end this year.

2276
02:43:26,898 --> 02:43:32,837
Fiscal year, 26, please with the conversations I've had with you and Doctor Lucius.

2277
02:43:32,837 --> 02:43:35,940
I think we are going in the right direction.

2278
02:43:35,940 --> 02:43:37,740
I'm just making I'm upset about U.S.

2279
02:43:37,108 --> 02:43:41,479
I.

2280
02:43:41,479 --> 02:43:42,880
I do feel that the team is doing the best.

2281
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:45,490
They're relatively green.

2282
02:43:45,490 --> 02:43:49,860
So it's a learning opportunity for everybody else.

2283
02:43:49,153 --> 02:43:50,870
But I do realize that at some point you have to stop learning.

2284
02:43:50,655 --> 02:43:52,356
You have to start delivering.

2285
02:43:52,356 --> 02:43:56,193
And one last point before turning it over those speakers.

2286
02:43:56,193 --> 02:44:00,970
I just want to remind the council.

2287
02:44:00,264 --> 02:44:01,499
Mr.

2288
02:44:01,499 --> 02:44:10,541
Kessler, Whoa, C l a during the meeting in which we significantly grilled him about the cost.

2289
02:44:10,541 --> 02:44:18,482
Pointed out to us up on someone's asking a question and don't recall who asked the question.

2290
02:44:18,482 --> 02:44:21,552
Someone asked what's fiscal 25 audit likely to look like.

2291
02:44:21,552 --> 02:44:28,359
I just want to remind everyone he cautioned us.

2292
02:44:28,359 --> 02:44:29,961
He pretty much said expect some problems.

2293
02:44:29,961 --> 02:44:43,174
He did say if we continue to work in cooperation with his that more likely not we would achieve a clean opinion, but don't be surprised.

2294
02:44:43,174 --> 02:44:53,918
If we have some citations so I point that out because I don't want anyone being I'm assuming he's going to get going in January.

2295
02:44:53,918 --> 02:44:55,653
Is that correct?

2296
02:44:55,653 --> 02:44:57,455
Work starts in January.

2297
02:44:57,455 --> 02:45:09,000
Rippling Howard documentation together as we speak to, you know, for the documentation requests, I would say, I will say you know, Chris and I have been in contact.

2298
02:45:09,000 --> 02:45:14,572
We're having an official kickoff meeting with the team's the audit team and my team this week.

2299
02:45:14,572 --> 02:45:17,800
So it's an opportunity for us to tell them where we stand as questions.

2300
02:45:17,608 --> 02:45:22,480
Get a feel for communication across the teams and how we want to manage that.

2301
02:45:22,480 --> 02:45:28,386
So Chris and are committed to communicating and keeping the lines open.

2302
02:45:28,386 --> 02:45:33,224
What I asked of him is as he finds things, bring them to our attention.

2303
02:45:33,224 --> 02:45:34,759
So that we can mediate.

2304
02:45:34,759 --> 02:45:38,950
So it becomes an observation versus a weakness.

2305
02:45:38,950 --> 02:45:39,730
So that's that's where we stand right now.

2306
02:45:39,730 --> 02:45:49,407
And I would hope you refresh his memory that if he does point out some citations.

2307
02:45:49,407 --> 02:45:55,146
That he let you know so that you can then begin to communicate with the interim city manager with the audit committee.

2308
02:45:55,146 --> 02:45:58,150
And the chair and the council.

2309
02:45:58,150 --> 02:46:05,389
We all need to know at approximately the same point in time to prevent what occurred previously.

2310
02:46:05,389 --> 02:46:09,460
This is committed to attending in-person the February audit committee meeting.

2311
02:46:09,460 --> 02:46:11,562
Very good.

2312
02:46:11,562 --> 02:46:11,829
That's important.

2313
02:46:11,829 --> 02:46:15,900
Very important.

2314
02:46:15,900 --> 02:46:16,867
That's it.

2315
02:46:16,867 --> 02:46:17,835
Thank you.

2316
02:46:17,835 --> 02:46:19,300
Thank you.

2317
02:46:19,300 --> 02:46:21,720
Thank Council I'm going to say a couple things short and sweet.

2318
02:46:21,105 --> 02:46:23,374
I want to thank every single one of you.

2319
02:46:23,374 --> 02:46:32,830
Our staff, our costs, ours residence aren't have beautiful We are going the right direction.

2320
02:46:32,750 --> 02:46:40,991
And I think all of us are united in working for good of our our residents and our beautiful community.

2321
02:46:40,991 --> 02:46:52,536
I just want to wish you the most beautiful, healthy Christmas and Hanukkah and wishing you the most beautiful, healthy and prosperous many years and all seal next year.

2322
02:46:52,536 --> 02:46:57,575
Council day.

2323
02:46:57,575 --> 02:46:57,708
Thank you.

2324
02:46:57,708 --> 02:47:00,644
I need to go back for sensitivity tree.

2325
02:47:00,644 --> 02:47:04,749
You 2 are wonderful with your holiday wishes of really impressed with that.

2326
02:47:04,749 --> 02:47:05,216
Thank you.

2327
02:47:05,216 --> 02:47:06,984
very Mr.

2328
02:47:06,984 --> 02:47:07,840
Chairman.

2329
02:47:07,840 --> 02:47:12,560
Yes, I don't believe we approve the consent agenda.

2330
02:47:12,560 --> 02:47:12,757
Somebody else can confirm that.

2331
02:47:12,757 --> 02:47:18,129
But I don't think we want to leave here with not having approve the consent agenda.

2332
02:47:18,129 --> 02:47:20,970
Could somebody confirm we approved what was left of up on the amendment?

2333
02:47:20,264 --> 02:47:20,531
did the night.

2334
02:47:20,531 --> 02:47:23,000
was.

2335
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:35,579
We voted separately I know we lift it to him that I thought we moved down the down the agenda and had we approved as amended and then okay to prove as amended for and that was to move 2 of the items, of consent.

2336
02:47:35,579 --> 02:47:38,482
But I'm not above making a mistake.

2337
02:47:38,482 --> 02:47:43,187
just trying to be One more quick one.

2338
02:47:43,187 --> 02:47:47,958
The Pensacola Republican looks Andrea.

2339
02:47:47,958 --> 02:47:52,229
Is sponsoring a bill that changes the Florida clean air.

2340
02:47:52,229 --> 02:48:05,442
At the reason I'm bringing this up and you'll see the title articles in the Naples Daily News November was that they were going to ban smoking weed in public, making vaping in cigarettes, too.

2341
02:48:05,442 --> 02:48:08,879
The point bringing this up because I had mentioned get rid of boats on the beach meeting.

2342
02:48:08,879 --> 02:48:17,888
Cigarette butts and I got an education after having brought that up, that there are a couple of cross currents and actually executing that.

2343
02:48:17,888 --> 02:48:23,594
And I think one of them the the root of this is there's a great deal defense for cigars.

2344
02:48:23,594 --> 02:48:26,497
Nobody wants cigarette filters on the beach.

2345
02:48:26,497 --> 02:48:29,967
But I just I had mentioned bring it forward.

2346
02:48:29,967 --> 02:48:34,705
And actually think this legislation might help sharpen the conversation.

2347
02:48:34,705 --> 02:48:36,600
I am intrigued that this goes forward.

2348
02:48:36,600 --> 02:48:44,348
Why if we do want to smell marijuana on the patron public ones, cigars, but I won't be pushing that conversation.

2349
02:48:44,348 --> 02:48:48,953
So to see how this develops Pensacola, not that circle of Tallahassee.

2350
02:48:48,953 --> 02:48:52,156
Thank Council show up.

2351
02:48:52,156 --> 02:48:53,230
Thank you.

2352
02:48:53,230 --> 02:48:55,359
have 3 items that I was meant show.

2353
02:48:55,359 --> 02:48:58,950
The first one has to do with our rules.

2354
02:48:58,950 --> 02:49:05,769
Section 7 conduct of the meetings I just want has told us those just want to make sure that we're following all of it.

2355
02:49:05,769 --> 02:49:07,571
Here's another one that we need to improve on.

2356
02:49:07,571 --> 02:49:10,674
So section solving the chair show.

2357
02:49:10,674 --> 02:49:14,144
When you go to.

2358
02:49:14,144 --> 02:49:26,757
And then 7 allow interruption of the speaker only by consent and then also section be city councilors shell.

2359
02:49:26,757 --> 02:49:31,962
Number 5, avoid interrupting a speaker who has the floor without the consent of the speaker.

2360
02:49:31,962 --> 02:49:32,620
I know myself.

2361
02:49:32,429 --> 02:49:37,434
I was interrupted evening with that and I did not get my permission to go ahead.

2362
02:49:37,434 --> 02:49:40,771
The that person he did that just continued on.

2363
02:49:40,771 --> 02:49:43,807
It also happened at the last meeting to me twice.

2364
02:49:43,807 --> 02:49:44,800
And so chair.

2365
02:49:44,141 --> 02:49:47,511
I would like you to be sure.

2366
02:49:47,511 --> 02:49:52,883
you are the one who's been are up to I just one to To abide by our You noted.

2367
02:49:52,883 --> 02:49:53,830
Yes.

2368
02:49:53,830 --> 02:49:54,184
Thank you.

2369
02:49:54,184 --> 02:49:54,251
Okay.

2370
02:49:54,251 --> 02:49:59,957
The second line I want to go to our will start to climb, but think we all have a copy of agenda here.

2371
02:49:59,957 --> 02:50:05,863
So on the back of the agenda, it's state star Marco Island City Council rules of decorum.

2372
02:50:05,863 --> 02:50:13,504
If you go down to the second point, it talks about ring when recognized by the chair citizens participants.

2373
02:50:13,504 --> 02:50:23,414
just your comments speaking from the podium and no individual show makes lander U.S.

2374
02:50:23,414 --> 02:50:31,822
disparaging are I duly repetitive remarks and very concerning tonight that we did have a speaker who did call the council down?

2375
02:50:31,822 --> 02:50:37,795
He called a earlier presenters snake oil.

2376
02:50:37,795 --> 02:50:39,897
And that's just not appropriate under our rules of decorum.

2377
02:50:39,897 --> 02:50:47,370
And we have to enforce these rules of decorum and I I would like other councilors to weigh in on this, too.

2378
02:50:47,370 --> 02:50:51,208
How are we going to handle this issue with the rules of decorum?

2379
02:50:51,208 --> 02:50:55,479
Because this is not the first time the speaker.

2380
02:50:55,479 --> 02:50:58,349
He sees fala language up here when he's provided other citizens comments.

2381
02:50:58,349 --> 02:51:02,920
He also is a member of our parks and ice or a committee.

2382
02:51:02,920 --> 02:51:09,994
So these are important, you know, he's representing our city and I do feel he is in violation of our rules to crime as he presented today.

2383
02:51:09,994 --> 02:51:13,163
So I'd like some discussion on that.

2384
02:51:13,163 --> 02:51:13,564
Sure.

2385
02:51:13,564 --> 02:51:14,640
I'll be the first on the way.

2386
02:51:14,231 --> 02:51:20,971
And if you like or well, I agree with you.

2387
02:51:20,971 --> 02:51:23,400
That to me wasn't time or place to go to battle.

2388
02:51:23,400 --> 02:51:24,410
This has been dealt with this weekend.

2389
02:51:24,410 --> 02:51:27,544
Doctor Lucius was up and we're talking Saturday morning at 10 o'clock.

2390
02:51:27,544 --> 02:51:30,614
And I think it needs to absolutely be dealt with.

2391
02:51:30,614 --> 02:51:36,286
But I was able to live with those comments there because I didn't want to incite what would become a bigger challenge.

2392
02:51:36,286 --> 02:51:38,880
Now with that, there's going to be a conversation myself in the city manager.

2393
02:51:38,822 --> 02:51:46,430
City police chief, because this person is getting to the point where getting concerning for our safety.

2394
02:51:46,430 --> 02:51:48,565
And he can't control himself and his to strip.

2395
02:51:48,565 --> 02:51:49,660
He's he's beyond control.

2396
02:51:49,299 --> 02:51:52,360
His emotions.

2397
02:51:52,360 --> 02:51:56,730
So forgive me, counselors for not maybe banging the gavel and making it what I thought was worse at the time.

2398
02:51:56,240 --> 02:51:56,907
But it didn't go unnoticed.

2399
02:51:56,907 --> 02:51:59,430
a big note here.

2400
02:51:59,430 --> 02:52:02,790
And I tried to speak to Mister Martinez afterwards.

2401
02:52:02,112 --> 02:52:08,218
He was beyond speak is beyond having a rational We're going to speak about public safety and council safety and a great.

2402
02:52:08,218 --> 02:52:11,210
Detailed level.

2403
02:52:11,210 --> 02:52:13,357
That to me just maybe wasn't the place to bring it up.

2404
02:52:13,357 --> 02:52:15,590
But for that, I apologize.

2405
02:52:15,392 --> 02:52:19,630
If let it go too far for the fight, May I think I believe I get the point order.

2406
02:52:19,329 --> 02:52:23,767
I think that and it happens.

2407
02:52:23,767 --> 02:52:25,200
What other things happen.

2408
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:32,676
So I think calling just a point of order and stopping someone despite their anger, I mean, that's why we do have police here.

2409
02:52:32,676 --> 02:52:37,114
my belief is that should have been stopped only for the reason is just escalating.

2410
02:52:37,114 --> 02:52:49,793
And did you know if the but but yet, no, I would asked that in the future that those type of out first I and this one, I think a systematic, a much bigger challenge that's going to be dealt with this a whole level.

2411
02:52:49,793 --> 02:52:54,698
So because the truth, the feedback and counselor talk about that.

2412
02:52:54,698 --> 02:53:06,610
Well, I think if the worst thing where recall is down, that would be plum I've been called so much worse reference that.

2413
02:53:06,610 --> 02:53:11,782
we'll have a different temperament that I can let pretty easily.

2414
02:53:11,782 --> 02:53:20,230
And But on larger, more philosophical note.

2415
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:25,829
there such a thing is as freedom of speech.

2416
02:53:25,829 --> 02:53:34,710
And where rules of procedure Wright had a long into freedom of speech.

2417
02:53:34,204 --> 02:53:37,941
I rules of procedure can lose.

2418
02:53:37,941 --> 02:53:41,311
It in my opinion out.

2419
02:53:41,311 --> 02:53:44,414
Yes, the speaker got a little bit out of hand.

2420
02:53:44,414 --> 02:53:46,617
A says Ben was not.

2421
02:53:46,617 --> 02:53:48,986
The complimentary.

2422
02:53:48,986 --> 02:53:55,325
Down was not complimentary.

2423
02:53:55,325 --> 02:53:56,593
bordered on the line.

2424
02:53:56,593 --> 02:54:07,304
But the legend huge, an I believe that chairman, the Long Bull is correct.

2425
02:54:07,304 --> 02:54:09,339
That The civic individual has a problem.

2426
02:54:09,339 --> 02:54:11,975
That's got to be addressed.

2427
02:54:11,975 --> 02:54:20,500
But anyway, I I personally wasn't offended I've been called much worse.

2428
02:54:20,250 --> 02:54:21,552
agree the offense of what he said.

2429
02:54:21,552 --> 02:54:23,820
It's the the offense of his behavior.

2430
02:54:23,820 --> 02:54:28,358
for this particular because it's not the first time he's acted up, he can say whatever he wants.

2431
02:54:28,358 --> 02:54:36,567
My concern is the reaction of what he says may be at the body language, a he he's not someone I've to say.

2432
02:54:36,567 --> 02:54:39,603
There's many of us that feel safe in his company.

2433
02:54:39,603 --> 02:54:43,941
I would like to add part of our rules of current.

2434
02:54:43,941 --> 02:54:50,447
The very first sentence is the city of Marco Island is committed to the First Amendment principle of free speech and a full and open discussion.

2435
02:54:50,447 --> 02:54:57,688
So we do acknowledge that I'm just trying to make sure we're abiding by our rules of decorum.

2436
02:54:57,688 --> 02:55:07,965
And additionally, I would like to say to receipt as a few other people up here did too email from Mr.

2437
02:55:07,965 --> 02:55:10,234
Martini also where I I'm concerned about our staff.

2438
02:55:10,234 --> 02:55:15,872
And an e-mail that went out in the wording by Mr.

2439
02:55:15,872 --> 02:55:18,542
Martini in that e-mail.

2440
02:55:18,542 --> 02:55:23,213
So this is a very serious issue.

2441
02:55:23,213 --> 02:55:27,684
believe that I'm going to make one comment Mr.

2442
02:55:27,684 --> 02:55:32,656
Martin, me is my opening Tee on Parks are at and I have had a long discussion with him.

2443
02:55:32,656 --> 02:55:34,625
He means well, but he's too fiery.

2444
02:55:34,625 --> 02:55:40,397
And I take that actually, John Taylor brought it to my attention and we've had a good discussion about it.

2445
02:55:40,397 --> 02:55:45,836
I actually discussed with our interim manager as well.

2446
02:55:45,836 --> 02:55:51,740
I do take responsibility because I did appoint him and I will speak with again.

2447
02:55:51,740 --> 02:55:59,182
And I do apologize to everyone who has been offended by his, he will ease a firecracker.

2448
02:55:59,182 --> 02:56:02,850
And I'm going speak with him again and tried to, you know, calm him down.

2449
02:56:02,619 --> 02:56:02,919
80 years old, man.

2450
02:56:02,919 --> 02:56:05,255
I have a hard time too.

2451
02:56:05,255 --> 02:56:05,889
You cannot trying.

2452
02:56:05,889 --> 02:56:10,994
I mean, you cannot train me so, but I do apologize and I will make comment.

2453
02:56:10,994 --> 02:56:13,130
I will speak with him again.

2454
02:56:13,130 --> 02:56:18,168
Does my thought reasonable that missed But let me let me away.

2455
02:56:18,168 --> 02:56:20,804
And I thought missed the martini is the rest of the should be dealt with with staff behind closed doors.

2456
02:56:20,804 --> 02:56:25,420
I think we've said enough here with him individually.

2457
02:56:25,420 --> 02:56:26,143
We stated our case.

2458
02:56:26,143 --> 02:56:26,877
We can see in general.

2459
02:56:26,877 --> 02:56:40,900
But I think the rest of its between the city attorney city manager and a private conversation, I would like to add one likely specific talk to the city attorney about this today after that e-mail, I did talk to him about what is there as has

2460
02:56:40,357 --> 02:56:40,891
happened in the past.

2461
02:56:40,891 --> 02:56:44,940
What's an appropriate course action?

2462
02:56:44,940 --> 02:56:53,236
And I'm not saying that we call on this right now, but we do per our city attorney, the council can remove him from the Parks and Recs Committee advisory committee.

2463
02:56:53,236 --> 02:56:54,371
I just wanted to give you that recall.

2464
02:56:54,371 --> 02:56:57,841
Thank you.

2465
02:56:57,841 --> 02:57:00,177
Because I a list of things to go over.

2466
02:57:00,177 --> 02:57:03,313
I'm going to start and we're moving pretty quick aside.

2467
02:57:03,313 --> 02:57:06,830
Put that thing that the couple more.

2468
02:57:06,450 --> 02:57:12,356
And can you put up the oil petition that I emailed you today?

2469
02:57:12,356 --> 02:57:13,560
As we all received this?

2470
02:57:13,156 --> 02:57:14,570
This is time census want to bring it up.

2471
02:57:14,570 --> 02:57:14,825
This was a request.

2472
02:57:14,825 --> 02:57:16,590
For all.

2473
02:57:16,590 --> 02:57:21,310
Us to consider.

2474
02:57:21,310 --> 02:57:25,836
To write a letter of was a disapproval are concerns for offshore oil drilling in the Gulf.

2475
02:57:25,836 --> 02:57:26,803
I do.

2476
02:57:26,803 --> 02:57:30,600
If you recall seeing this came just maybe a couple days ago, quickly.

2477
02:57:30,600 --> 02:57:38,148
And because this time sensitive, I'm personally pursue this person is a citizen as a counselor and certainly gonna defend our goals from oil drilling.

2478
02:57:38,148 --> 02:57:41,651
I remember the Deepwater Horizon.

2479
02:57:41,651 --> 02:57:44,221
If you folks who are living here, that was that BP oil spill is just terrific.

2480
02:57:44,221 --> 02:57:46,590
And we didn't really have it here with the actual oil.

2481
02:57:46,590 --> 02:57:50,260
But the economic impact.

2482
02:57:50,260 --> 02:57:51,762
Was horrific and in the panhandle.

2483
02:57:51,762 --> 02:57:54,131
So I'm just curious, I'd like to ask my co-counsel, what are your thoughts?

2484
02:57:54,131 --> 02:57:57,401
see there?

2485
02:57:57,401 --> 02:58:03,730
Deal with it individually dealing with it as a council giving the staff some direction to reach out and the one of the 110 communities.

2486
02:58:03,106 --> 02:58:05,409
I think to hear that.

2487
02:58:05,409 --> 02:58:07,210
Voice their opinion against this.

2488
02:58:07,210 --> 02:58:15,519
Well, any 2 women individual counsel, Henry, I didn't get this e-mail.

2489
02:58:15,519 --> 02:58:18,321
Can I will be happy to send it to you.

2490
02:58:18,321 --> 02:58:19,823
Thank you.

2491
02:58:19,823 --> 02:58:20,590
We got one individual.

2492
02:58:20,590 --> 02:58:23,994
Does anybody want to do this is collective or we leave it up to each other to pursue this.

2493
02:58:23,994 --> 02:58:24,261
We desire, Mr.

2494
02:58:24,261 --> 02:58:28,532
City Attorney S.

2495
02:58:28,532 --> 02:58:33,603
I was just thinking to the extent of Joan should the city clerk should send a letter out to all of you councilmembers.

2496
02:58:33,603 --> 02:58:34,638
Make sure that they get that way.

2497
02:58:34,638 --> 02:58:34,704
Okay.

2498
02:58:34,704 --> 02:58:41,711
Very good.

2499
02:58:41,711 --> 02:58:43,880
I'm the individual camp of the 2.

2500
02:58:43,880 --> 02:58:43,947
Okay.

2501
02:58:43,947 --> 02:58:45,382
So we'll deal with that individual basis.

2502
02:58:45,382 --> 02:58:46,950
I recommend everybody take a look at it and decide on yourself.

2503
02:58:46,950 --> 02:58:47,684
What's best?

2504
02:58:47,684 --> 02:58:53,890
Couple quick updates few things all concerts want to appreciate the rules of procedure.

2505
02:58:53,690 --> 02:58:55,910
Appreciate help me stay on track as it insurance.

2506
02:58:55,358 --> 02:58:57,828
His position.

2507
02:58:57,828 --> 02:59:01,364
One of our rules, section 8 motions.

2508
02:59:01,364 --> 02:59:04,301
Each council shull limit his or her comments to 10 minutes with an additional 5 minute period.

2509
02:59:04,301 --> 02:59:07,304
If granted by the chair.

2510
02:59:07,304 --> 02:59:11,308
I understand some of these meetings were long in my first meeting room long because I what about us a little nervous.

2511
02:59:11,308 --> 02:59:12,209
And I was getting my feet wet.

2512
02:59:12,209 --> 02:59:14,578
However, this is our meeting.

2513
02:59:14,578 --> 02:59:15,779
And this is our time together.

2514
02:59:15,779 --> 02:59:17,147
That's going to run long.

2515
02:59:17,147 --> 02:59:19,382
Sometimes this isn't a TV show.

2516
02:59:19,382 --> 02:59:21,510
This isn't on a time limit.

2517
02:59:21,117 --> 02:59:21,685
This is our time.

2518
02:59:21,685 --> 02:59:27,824
The only time we have together to spend as much time as it takes to get things right.

2519
02:59:27,824 --> 02:59:31,828
And sometimes just in conversation like this, we want things.

2520
02:59:31,828 --> 02:59:37,300
So some of these meetings are going however, I will try to make sure we have to go around and we stay on topic.

2521
02:59:37,300 --> 02:59:40,700
There's a workshop be much more on point and I will try to limit.

2522
02:59:40,700 --> 02:59:45,809
the the chatter that's not conducive to us.

2523
02:59:45,809 --> 02:59:47,100
Getting from point A to point B, that's for sure.

2524
02:59:47,100 --> 02:59:47,744
We would yes.

2525
02:59:47,744 --> 02:59:55,752
I think if you re further on that, it typically point yes, rules of procedure.

2526
02:59:55,752 --> 03:00:01,791
I think the 10 minute and 5 minute time period apply only when there's a motion on correct?

2527
03:00:01,791 --> 03:00:02,580
Correct.

2528
03:00:02,580 --> 03:00:06,596
So if there's conversation prior to a motion being put on the floor.

2529
03:00:06,596 --> 03:00:08,765
There are no time.

2530
03:00:08,765 --> 03:00:09,199
correct.

2531
03:00:09,199 --> 03:00:10,660
And we still have to be conscious of that.

2532
03:00:10,300 --> 03:00:11,340
Also as a team.

2533
03:00:11,101 --> 03:00:12,680
But we are working well together.

2534
03:00:12,335 --> 03:00:15,605
We're getting a lot done and thank you, Mr.

2535
03:00:15,605 --> 03:00:19,543
Former chair appreciate guys.

2536
03:00:19,543 --> 03:00:20,410
Couple updates on the list give you before.

2537
03:00:20,410 --> 03:00:21,378
We should be happy.

2538
03:00:21,378 --> 03:00:21,444
Holidays.

2539
03:00:21,444 --> 03:00:29,986
Also seawalls spoke with a spoke with County Commissioner Locastro in great detail about the staging area on the North side.

2540
03:00:29,986 --> 03:00:31,210
The bridge.

2541
03:00:31,154 --> 03:00:34,224
I want to citizens understand this so that they could know where we're at.

2542
03:00:34,224 --> 03:00:39,963
First of all, we as a community to not control the north side of the bridge, although we have been elsewhere, opinion and our help.

2543
03:00:39,963 --> 03:00:42,933
There's been some courtesy involved in there.

2544
03:00:42,933 --> 03:00:48,338
But ultimately the county commissioners deemed this has the least of the worst choices.

2545
03:00:48,338 --> 03:00:51,141
Casey, what is this?

2546
03:00:51,141 --> 03:00:58,315
it's Wednesday, the 10th doing a trial run remember correctly where they're going to do this 3 point turn, tried to go through the median and see how it works.

2547
03:00:58,315 --> 03:01:00,500
Everybody can reach out to our commissioners individually.

2548
03:01:00,500 --> 03:01:02,485
Also community can do so.

2549
03:01:02,485 --> 03:01:08,158
But for now, this trial runs in to go forward and good attempt to see if the staging area works.

2550
03:01:08,158 --> 03:01:12,429
Also Commissioner Locastro is very adamant about he would be more than open.

2551
03:01:12,429 --> 03:01:15,599
So using this area as they are for public.

2552
03:01:15,599 --> 03:01:19,690
Benefit is considering the Naples Pier a public benefit.

2553
03:01:19,269 --> 03:01:25,375
When I mentioned the possibility of a fishing pier in different things, you consider that public benefit.

2554
03:01:25,375 --> 03:01:25,842
And things of that nature.

2555
03:01:25,842 --> 03:01:27,978
But he certainly not open at this point.

2556
03:01:27,978 --> 03:01:31,982
2 open that up to the seawall contractors at this point.

2557
03:01:31,982 --> 03:01:33,883
His belief system is the citizens do not want it there.

2558
03:01:33,883 --> 03:01:36,419
Enough of them have reached out.

2559
03:01:36,419 --> 03:01:45,128
So for that, if you are a citizen and you think you'll be benefited by your country, seawall contractors using the north end of the bridge, reach out to your county commissioners and say I think this is helpful.

2560
03:01:45,128 --> 03:01:46,290
I think it'll keep cost down.

2561
03:01:46,290 --> 03:01:49,566
I think the new staging area for now, that's not going to be in play.

2562
03:01:49,566 --> 03:01:54,537
And I recommend for now the council's not going to have.

2563
03:01:54,537 --> 03:01:58,108
Any success in my belief has led to believe in the conversation and drafting anonymous letter lobbying for that.

2564
03:01:58,108 --> 03:01:58,742
That's just my opinion.

2565
03:01:58,742 --> 03:02:00,377
If you guys feel differently could do.

2566
03:02:00,377 --> 03:02:01,845
But that's for now.

2567
03:02:01,845 --> 03:02:06,316
I believe it's going it's going to stay just the way it not open to.

2568
03:02:06,316 --> 03:02:10,200
Business is open for any type of public usage.

2569
03:02:10,200 --> 03:02:11,540
Any questions on counselor?

2570
03:02:11,354 --> 03:02:12,880
Sorry city manager.

2571
03:02:12,155 --> 03:02:15,458
was just.

2572
03:02:15,458 --> 03:02:15,859
No just when you're done.

2573
03:02:15,859 --> 03:02:18,610
I have an announcement.

2574
03:02:18,610 --> 03:02:18,610
Okay.

2575
03:02:18,461 --> 03:02:19,129
Start accounts of a joint.

2576
03:02:19,129 --> 03:02:35,478
Weigh in on raise great point I think are haunted by A strategic thinker, a strategic so aggravated that the city didn't buy that couple lots when they were cheap.

2577
03:02:35,478 --> 03:02:40,450
2 created a a staging area for seawalls into perpetuity.

2578
03:02:40,450 --> 03:02:42,850
thank you for the homework.

2579
03:02:42,719 --> 03:02:44,387
You're doing this to chairman the right direction.

2580
03:02:44,387 --> 03:02:45,622
You're having the right conversations somewhere.

2581
03:02:45,622 --> 03:02:49,325
We got seawalls.

2582
03:02:49,325 --> 03:02:50,660
In the long long futures.

2583
03:02:50,660 --> 03:02:56,132
Somehow we have to try and come up with the service delivery apps of to do with the seawall.

2584
03:02:56,132 --> 03:02:56,499
Guys need to get done.

2585
03:02:56,499 --> 03:02:59,202
So.

2586
03:02:59,202 --> 03:03:02,372
We got half of the focus time where we can't go.

2587
03:03:02,372 --> 03:03:09,713
I don't know how we try and arrive at where we can go, maybe drenching want to deal with the seawall to the same time could be an island.

2588
03:03:09,713 --> 03:03:15,985
Guys get to more of I got together with representative up in a row per our conversation.

2589
03:03:15,985 --> 03:03:16,453
I reached out.

2590
03:03:16,453 --> 03:03:17,870
I copied you on the email.

2591
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:20,230
I got together for coffee.

2592
03:03:20,230 --> 03:03:20,890
I appreciate time together.

2593
03:03:20,890 --> 03:03:22,992
We spoke about many things, including the referendum.

2594
03:03:22,992 --> 03:03:31,670
And pretty much finality of the conversation, as you know, that she was willing to move on the.

2595
03:03:31,670 --> 03:03:42,450
A regional days, 60 days, 230, we're not going to get any movement on the governor being the trigger mechanism for us not deciding above and beyond just that there is.

2596
03:03:42,450 --> 03:03:49,819
A lack of for for counselors are not on the dais, meaning lack of a above and beyond that trigger mechanism still is next.

2597
03:03:49,819 --> 03:03:54,991
Council in her referendum is not pick and that time period in the governor's going to step in and pick.

2598
03:03:54,991 --> 03:03:56,392
I don't like that particular part of it.

2599
03:03:56,392 --> 03:04:00,230
However, this is going to a vote of the people and our citizens are gonna side of like it either.

2600
03:04:00,230 --> 03:04:01,364
They will forward.

2601
03:04:01,364 --> 03:04:09,939
But as far as I'm concerned, unless you want to lobby individually, this matter is closed with us on a representative and it will be going to the citizens for their vote some point.

2602
03:04:09,939 --> 03:04:13,143
Last thing on a positive.

2603
03:04:13,143 --> 03:04:13,743
Florida Trend magazine.

2604
03:04:13,743 --> 03:04:15,812
We all got one.

2605
03:04:15,812 --> 03:04:16,790
Guys get your mailbox.

2606
03:04:16,279 --> 03:04:21,500
If you haven't done something just piqued my interest.

2607
03:04:21,284 --> 03:04:21,584
Osceola counties.

2608
03:04:21,584 --> 03:04:24,320
Tuition Free College program is building a pipeline of talent from the region.

2609
03:04:24,320 --> 03:04:24,988
And I started reading it.

2610
03:04:24,988 --> 03:04:27,590
It's a good read.

2611
03:04:27,590 --> 03:04:31,761
But I connected it to another newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my desk and it was.

2612
03:04:31,761 --> 03:04:33,963
Marco Island -

2613
03:04:33,963 --> 03:04:34,300
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy it was. Marco Island -

2614
03:04:34,300 --> 03:04:34,300
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy has was. Marco Island -

2615
03:04:34,197 --> 03:04:34,230
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy has a s. Marco Island -

2616
03:04:34,230 --> 03:04:34,330
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy has a 5 Marco Island -

2617
03:04:34,330 --> 03:04:34,464
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy has a 5 time o Island -

2618
03:04:34,464 --> 03:04:37,100
newspaper article that I just haven't have sitting on my Academy has a 5 time matching - program.

2619
03:04:37,100 --> 03:04:37,233
Guys.

2620
03:04:37,233 --> 03:04:40,436
I love the kind of you know that I believe their colors.

2621
03:04:40,436 --> 03:04:45,975
And I thought how can I help this incredible institution of higher learning?

2622
03:04:45,975 --> 03:04:49,712
My my daughter saved a year of college because of the credit she received in the academy.

2623
03:04:49,712 --> 03:04:51,314
My son got tremendous.

2624
03:04:51,314 --> 03:04:52,382
Most scholarships.

2625
03:04:52,382 --> 03:04:56,419
It was the greatest at coaching.

2626
03:04:56,419 --> 03:04:57,530
Council should be new.

2627
03:04:57,530 --> 03:05:00,890
Jane want everybody involved to have done the heavy lifting from time.

2628
03:05:00,890 --> 03:05:01,958
Energy effort volunteering.

2629
03:05:01,958 --> 03:05:02,910
What greater cause than a kid.

2630
03:05:02,659 --> 03:05:04,260
So.

2631
03:05:04,260 --> 03:05:08,131
And Greg, you up.

2632
03:05:08,131 --> 03:05:08,832
You helped.

2633
03:05:08,832 --> 03:05:14,671
But uses to every time every month I take my council salary donated something.

2634
03:05:14,671 --> 03:05:15,839
Well, this particular month as the chairman.

2635
03:05:15,839 --> 03:05:18,241
And thank you for your support there.

2636
03:05:18,241 --> 03:05:23,947
My monthly income is $546.20 after taxes.

2637
03:05:23,947 --> 03:05:27,617
So $546.20 is going to the Marco Island Academy.

2638
03:05:27,617 --> 03:05:30,653
We're going to get them started company.

2639
03:05:30,653 --> 03:05:36,920
I do business with Steven to be from home pros funding a local lender had always supported by soccer teams.

2640
03:05:36,492 --> 03:05:37,694
And I was.

2641
03:05:37,694 --> 03:05:39,729
Having a conversation with him -

2642
03:05:39,729 --> 03:05:41,164
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. a conversation with him -

2643
03:05:41,164 --> 03:05:41,431
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. He onversation with him -

2644
03:05:41,431 --> 03:05:41,497
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. He said sation with him -

2645
03:05:41,497 --> 03:05:41,631
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. He said even n with him -

2646
03:05:41,631 --> 03:05:41,698
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. He said even though him -

2647
03:05:41,698 --> 03:05:44,267
lender had always supported by soccer teams. And I was. today. He said even though are - charitable donations of clothes for the year.

2648
03:05:44,267 --> 03:05:50,406
I'm gonna donate $250 in school for those matching funds or other $250 coming in.

2649
03:05:50,406 --> 03:05:56,479
guys, if you do all this right, and if you benefit this incredible school, you get the greatest experience.

2650
03:05:56,479 --> 03:05:56,813
All right.

2651
03:05:56,813 --> 03:05:59,315
You get a team of some of the most forgiving.

2652
03:05:59,315 --> 03:05:59,616
Some don't.

2653
03:05:59,616 --> 03:06:09,250
Some of the most amazing woman in the world give you a Ward's and they give you great notes and they say, coach, we love you and it's incredible and you're living through their eyes.

2654
03:06:09,192 --> 03:06:18,201
But this all happens because schools because of health of this community and a gymnasium named after, you know, everything you do and everybody here.

2655
03:06:18,201 --> 03:06:19,736
And so the market Academy is a great cause on this island.

2656
03:06:19,736 --> 03:06:25,708
If you do it right, they give you give your coaches jacket and they call you coach for life.

2657
03:06:25,708 --> 03:06:26,910
And there's no greater job.

2658
03:06:26,910 --> 03:06:35,852
So these children of not just the school, but all schools are incredible worthy cause some of the brightest kids have ever met scene.

2659
03:06:35,852 --> 03:06:39,422
I employ them of coach them.

2660
03:06:39,422 --> 03:06:41,858
I'm honored to know them if anybody out there as one helped him out, please do so.

2661
03:06:41,858 --> 03:06:44,694
They're a great cause.

2662
03:06:44,694 --> 03:06:47,630
Councilor Henry, thank you for coming into the shop.

2663
03:06:47,630 --> 03:06:57,573
The ice cream shop and I never named by name but thank you for coming in and taking all the names off the giving tree for the UK been children.

2664
03:06:57,573 --> 03:07:00,843
What a rough deal would be displaced for the holidays.

2665
03:07:00,843 --> 03:07:02,946
And all you want is batteries or a gift card.

2666
03:07:02,946 --> 03:07:05,281
Think the biggest one.

2667
03:07:05,281 --> 03:07:06,490
It clearly sits at homeless child and all they want.

2668
03:07:06,349 --> 03:07:10,186
It was a wild card.

2669
03:07:10,186 --> 03:07:10,486
Encounter.

2670
03:07:10,486 --> 03:07:12,956
Henry took every name off and you came back and said I'm going to give you 5 more if you like.

2671
03:07:12,956 --> 03:07:13,560
I took them all.

2672
03:07:13,289 --> 03:07:18,194
But I got a clear the tree again, when you load it up again.

2673
03:07:18,194 --> 03:07:20,697
And this isn't just everybody here does amazing deeds on this council.

2674
03:07:20,697 --> 03:07:20,997
I'm so proud.

2675
03:07:20,997 --> 03:07:23,166
Honored to serve with all of you.

2676
03:07:23,166 --> 03:07:24,300
And I Echo Merry Christmas.

2677
03:07:24,300 --> 03:07:25,401
Happy New Year.

2678
03:07:25,401 --> 03:07:33,910
Happy Hanukkah and guys, I think when you get right in the New Year.

2679
03:07:33,910 --> 03:07:35,440
Finish Strong, had a little rough start.

2680
03:07:35,440 --> 03:07:38,140
Some of those.

2681
03:07:38,140 --> 03:07:38,810
Councils.

2682
03:07:38,810 --> 03:07:46,522
I know we we took off the agenda to go every meeting through and P o through League of Cities as we didn't always have something.

2683
03:07:46,522 --> 03:07:47,323
There was tdc meeting.

2684
03:07:47,323 --> 03:07:53,730
Does anybody have anything they want to the organization's of so light side and go for it?

2685
03:07:53,730 --> 03:07:56,650
a swamp mpo will be meeting.

2686
03:07:56,132 --> 03:08:05,208
The Collier County Mpo will be meeting on Thursday and we are interviewing the top 3 candidates to replace our current executive director.

2687
03:08:05,208 --> 03:08:11,481
So in our file and our next meeting in January said, haven't you Mpo executive director, of the legends that.

2688
03:08:11,481 --> 03:08:11,748
Thank you.

2689
03:08:11,748 --> 03:08:12,815
Appreciate your efforts.

2690
03:08:12,815 --> 03:08:15,218
Cases are there for about you.

2691
03:08:15,218 --> 03:08:16,586
Police that's okay.

2692
03:08:16,586 --> 03:08:20,890
Just this is for future agenda for the council's information.

2693
03:08:20,256 --> 03:08:24,861
And also in follow-up to counselor Rechnitz concern.

2694
03:08:24,861 --> 03:08:33,870
I did speak to run a Brown today from run books office and we were talking about a couple local pieces of legislation.

2695
03:08:33,870 --> 03:08:45,448
But I ask her if Ron would be willing to zoom in and give us an update at one of our February meetings that will be right in the be right in the middle of session session.

2696
03:08:45,448 --> 03:08:47,830
Search January 13th and goes through March 4th, though.

2697
03:08:47,830 --> 03:08:49,180
So I thought to be nice to get just that.

2698
03:08:49,180 --> 03:08:56,920
Give you all a short update of what's being proposed he's willing to do that.

2699
03:08:56,559 --> 03:08:58,610
One of your February agendas.

2700
03:08:58,127 --> 03:08:58,828
That would just be via zoom.

2701
03:08:58,828 --> 03:08:59,950
Quick update.

2702
03:08:59,228 --> 03:09:06,169
But hopefully at that point he can also address some of the concerns that council pregnant brought up that absolutely concerning.

2703
03:09:06,169 --> 03:09:08,471
So thank you.

2704
03:09:08,471 --> 03:09:09,272
Snow.

2705
03:09:09,272 --> 03:09:09,739
The lights signs.

2706
03:09:09,739 --> 03:09:13,776
Don't anybody signed up for the final citizens comments?

2707
03:09:13,776 --> 03:09:24,654
I yes, there is one person and that doctor rich Welcome back.

2708
03:09:24,654 --> 03:09:24,821
Ridge.

2709
03:09:24,821 --> 03:09:25,588
Hello again, rich up on a 15.

2710
03:09:25,588 --> 03:09:29,580
41 Marco Road.

2711
03:09:29,580 --> 03:09:32,610
So you just defeated that one item regarding clean water.

2712
03:09:32,610 --> 03:09:37,900
And I wanted to throw out a question that advanced wastewater treatment, which conceptually I support.

2713
03:09:37,900 --> 03:09:50,346
Is there any guarantee that we spend all this money and clean our water with a W t that it just won't get polluted again because of the muck that remaining on the bottom.

2714
03:09:50,346 --> 03:09:59,755
So are we kicking the can down the road spending millions of dollars on the process that doesn't solve the root.

2715
03:09:59,755 --> 03:10:01,491
The other thing I have again, I'm gonna bring up again.

2716
03:10:01,491 --> 03:10:05,610
There's a lot of us that don't live on canals.

2717
03:10:05,261 --> 03:10:08,364
Those of you who live on the condos on the beach, you don't want a canal.

2718
03:10:08,364 --> 03:10:09,980
Those of us who live in center island.

2719
03:10:09,398 --> 03:10:11,300
We don't live on a canal.

2720
03:10:11,300 --> 03:10:14,303
And we don't have access to the canals in the past.

2721
03:10:14,303 --> 03:10:30,653
When I've asked this council to think about public access for non motorized vehicles for kayaks, canoes paddleboards things that if you want to take your grandchild out for a little gentle paddle in the canal, you have no access.

2722
03:10:30,653 --> 03:10:37,426
So you're asking people to spend millions of dollars to clean water that they don't even have access to.

2723
03:10:37,426 --> 03:10:40,530
So I really want you to rethink about this.

2724
03:10:40,530 --> 03:10:55,745
If you're going to spend millions and millions of dollars and a W t how about spending a couple 100,000 to drop a couple of docks and public access spots like Veterans Park like the new park by the assisted living community.

2725
03:10:55,745 --> 03:11:04,453
Even If you if you attempt to launch a canoe or kayak out of Caixin Biz with all these power boaters, you're really taking your life in your hands.

2726
03:11:04,453 --> 03:11:06,255
Believe met, done enough times to know.

2727
03:11:06,255 --> 03:11:21,300
So again, if it were going up, spend all this money on trying to improve our waterways, we really need to think beyond this immediate were suppose media awt fix and we need to think about better access.

2728
03:11:21,237 --> 03:11:23,406
Thanks and happy holidays to all of Thanks for your service.

2729
03:11:23,406 --> 03:11:25,700
Happy out as rich.

2730
03:11:25,700 --> 03:11:27,000
with that,