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Jen, call the roll, please. Mr. Casiano. He just stepped out of your right back. Mr. Smone. Yeah, Mr. Serio. Here. Thanks for your short. Yeah, Arizona. Here. We're going to start off with an invocation from Marguer resident and a master sergeant. Also, pastor, Mr. Gary Wilder, and then after that, we're going to go into our plagues of allegiance, which will be done by Emmett Garberino. So Mr. Wilder.

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Good evening, everyone. Let us pray. Father, we come to you now in the name of Jesus. We thank you for this moment, this opportunity, that we can come together, Father God, and just to, first of all, lift you up in everything that we do.

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Father, we invite your spirit into this session tonight. And we ask you, Father God, that you would just continue to guide the leadership of this city, our mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, Father God, give them what they need to lead this city in the right direction.

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So, Father, we ask you to let you anoint to be a pun them, guide them and protect them,

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Father God, and everything that they do.

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We pray for all of our city leaders, Father God.

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We pray for our police, Father God, is there out there protecting us each and every day

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our fire, department, and all the ones that are out there on the front line protecting us

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in this city.

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So, Father, we pray and ask that you just be with this session tonight that every decision

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made, not be made by human minds, but let it be made by your Spirit, Father, so it would

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be led in the right direction.

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We thank you for everything that you're doing in and around us, Father, and we just thank you for everything that you're going to continue to do.

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To let this city be a beacon on the hill that other cities will see what market is doing to take it to the next level in you.

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We thank you for this time. We thank you for this moment as we exalt and praise and magnify your holy name.

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And we claim the victory now as we stand on your covenant, stand on your will and on your way. For in Jesus name we pray. Amen.

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and, thank you, as well.

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And now we're going to have Emmet Gavarrina from,

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for a second.

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Come down to the podium, Daniel.

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I'll come down there with you.

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What's

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the pleasure of allegiance?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic of Administration.

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What nation, what do you call,

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Intervisible will live in the domain.

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Thank you very much, Ellen.

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You guys can see it. That's good. Thank you guys want to thank Amick for leading the pledge tonight. He's also going to be our athlete of the month.

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So Amick, this is for you. I love the pledge. City of Marguerite. Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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I'm going to serve for Todd and Christmas and again.

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Don't go too far.

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Come here, Emmett, you're still here.

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All right.

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For those that don't know, once a month, we do our athlete of the month.

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In this month, our winner is Emmett.

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Gabriino.

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Let's share it for Adam.

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You just

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grab the info.

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So Emmett, who are you here with tonight?

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Mom and dad want to come up.

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What do you got the whole family here?

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Come on up, guys.

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I'm gonna tell you guys a little bit about Emmett,

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and why he's the athlete of the month.

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And we do this once a month, guys.

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We honor an athlete of the month.

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There's no age range.

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It could be whoever, as long as you're a Marguerite resident.

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And tonight we're fortunate.

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Hey, guys done.

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Do I have a Marguerite over here?

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And I'm gonna tell you a little bit about him.

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For the past three years, Emmett has been involving

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his baseball skills under his current coach

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with the City of Marguerite.

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His eagerness to learn, strong motivation and high confidence, not only enhances his

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skills as baseball player, but also establishes Emmett as a reliable teammate. Others can

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depend on Emmett in addition to baseball. Emmett plays hockey, and is an excellent student

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at Margate Elementary. Let's hear it from Emmett guys.

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Emmett, the team is here as the...

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the hooks and that's the 10-year-old age. Can you? You coached that? You're out there, right?

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I see you. Yeah. All right, and then we got some great prizes for it.

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You have a point,

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plus point from the police department, the city of Margate, and you have a bag of goodies in here.

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Let's see if we got this one. You already got your carnival passes, that correct?

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You have your fire department, athlete of the month, T-shirt.

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You have a $10 one more gift card,

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and four passes to our water park,

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Olipso Coat, you ever been there?

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It's gonna be very new this year,

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so I hope you guys enjoy it.

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You also have a water bottle,

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courtesy of the Marguerite Police Department.

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Some pens and pencils, and you got

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this little firefighter guy here.

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Marguerite, it's very cool.

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So Emmett, congratulations on this award.

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You want to say anything in it.

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How's your tenets of states, anything you want?

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You don't look like a shy guy, tell us.

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How's baseball going?

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Good. What position do you play? Shortstop picture, catcher, and burst face. Very good.

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You've probably had about 16 games already? Yeah. Gone defeated. Very nice. Very nice.

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Anything else you want us to introduce? Who's here with you? Who did you got?

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I got my Blizzard Dylan and my sister Charlie. And who are these? Your sisters and brother?

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You guys want to say anything you guys good. Well guys, congratulations. I'll see you guys out there. Hope you guys

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enjoyed spring break is coming up. Maybe you have a game Saturday. I don't know, but have a great spring break and I have a lot of fun.

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I appreciate it. Thank you.

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We also have a letter from our state representative, Steve Hamsowski, congratulating you and also Emmett

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I've got a arena, the studio market.

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Congratulations on the athlete of the month.

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Signed by me, vice mayor Erwin Schwartz,

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Commissioner Norserro, Commissioner Simone,

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Commissioner Casiano.

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Congratulations, and have a great season, guys.

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Now we're going to give it a try.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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Yes.

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We're glasses.

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I'm going to have a pair.

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All right guys now we're going to do something else we do we just start it and I should

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skip the order here.

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If this is our 50th year resident so if I can have Kevin Ward come on down Kevin, is

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he here?

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I read the bio today you've been here since 68?

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Don't look that old but I'll give it to you.

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You look great.

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All right I can tell you a little bit about Kevin.

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Kevin Ward's roots were planted and marigaded in 1968 when as an infant his parents moved

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to the city and as a child he attended Atlantic West in Margate Middle. Two institutions

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that remained pillars of the city. Today, Kevin resides in the same house he grew up

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in and said the most noticeable change to the city is how the city has grown while

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remaining a working person's city. Some of the city's events you will find Kevin enjoying

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or the sounds of sundown and the annual winter festival. Kevin, thank you for being here

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for 50 years. We love all the tax money you gave us, so we appreciate that. I always forget this.

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I put it in the same spot, so I don't lose it. We have a $50 bill for you for the 50th,

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being the market's 50th year resident, and also we have a certificate of recognition, a letter from

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Christine Humcowski, our state representative, and also a certificate of recognition to Kevin

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award for the City of Marigay for 50-year residency. Find by me, the Vice Mayor, and the commissioners.

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We really want to say congratulations. Thank you for staying in Marigay for all these years. Great job.

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Is there anything you'd like to say?

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Are you sure?

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That's about to go over.

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Alright, I appreciate that. Thanks for having me.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks like it.

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We're going to go into employee recognition. It's just time I'll hand it over to the City Manager.

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Of course.

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Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, everybody.

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I don't think we have any of the employees on a list here tonight.

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If you do, flag me down please, and we'll call you up.

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First on the list is Keith Toby, Parks and Rec, celebrating 30 years of service.

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Next is Chad Ryan, police sergeant, celebrating 20 years of service.

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Marissa Otero, crime analyst, 15 years of service.

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Joseph Seward, environmental and engineering services with 10 years of service.

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Laura Jimenez, police officer with five years of service and

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Luke O'Loughlin, Service Worker 1 in D's with five years of service.

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And then, O'Mayne Dennis, Human Resources Generalist, he's celebrating five years of service

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with us.

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I'll be at he's been deployed over the last year and a half as he's in the reserve.

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So we thank all these employees and we especially thank O'Mayne for his service to our country.

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If anybody would like to speak on any item that is not on the agenda, you will have three

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30 minutes to come up and do so, so at this time we're going to open up public discussion.

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No?

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Anybody on Zoom?

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For public discussion?

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Good evening, Julie Jones.

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I would just like to thank Mike Jones and the whole Parks and Recreation Department for

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the awesome spring cleanup they put on.

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It was extremely organized and very successful.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Jones.

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Next is going to be our city manager, our actually commission comments to start with Commissioner

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want to thank everyone for being here and

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let's get on with it.

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We have important things to talk about tonight.

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Good.

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Commissioner Simone.

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I'd like to once again thank all our employees for their wonderful years of service and their dedication to our city.

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And also Broward County Library is giving away free solar eclipse glasses to card holders of the library and preparation for the solar eclipse.

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that's coming on April 8th.

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So you have to show your library card

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and it's first come, first serve.

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But our library here in Marigay

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is on the list to also pass them out to our residents.

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That's all I have.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Sarria.

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Good evening, everyone.

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Just one announcement.

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We're finally gonna be doing

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our teddy bear drive snuggle buddy for a child in need.

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My police and firefighters collect teddy bears.

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I found out using their own money.

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So I wanted to do something to help them out, kind of make it a community effort.

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It's an event that I'm hosting with the support of all of the commissioners up here.

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So thank you for allowing me to do that.

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I hope to see everyone there.

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It's going to be Saturday, April 16th, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m.

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It's going to be at the Culver's in Wawa, we'll have police and fire truck there.

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If you bring a new and unused teddy bear, you'll receive either for the children or adults free ice cream from Culver's and a free coffee from Wawa.

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So again, that's going to be April 6th from 11 to 1. That's it, Mayor. Thank you.

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Thank you. Vice Mayor.

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I think other than the fact that it is nice to see a full audience regardless of reason.

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Thank you all for coming and I'll close any other comments.

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Thank you.

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I apologize for my voice, but I had a baseball game last night.

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Did they win?

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What do you think?

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That's why you were screaming.

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I just want to make sure.

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Might be getting another call, Kale.

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I just have two things.

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There's going to be a workshop coming up for addressing the firefighters, the addition of

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three men, a possibility on a track, three men on a rescue. If anything, you want to add to that?

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I have a date.

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Commissioner, I've got you.

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I just want to show you guys that forgotten mention, you have an 8th, you've got it.

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9.05, there's 10,000 eggs that are gone. They're all gone. So make sure you're there. Also, I got a call from Margate Elementary. Once a year for graduation for the fifth graders, they do a party eclipse of code. I was always under depression, and maybe I forgot, but I thought it was a free event that we did for them, but I don't think it is. No, I think that there was a, I don't know when, but we implemented that. It was $5.00.

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was a person, I think.

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So they asked me, I know we opened it up to all the schools

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and I think Margaret Elementary was the only one

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that really did it because the other schools needed busing.

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So they were conveniently, they could just walk over there.

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So I asked the city manager if we can put it on

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possibly for the agenda for the next meeting

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to see if we can wave the fee.

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I know it might be during the construction time as well.

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So they might be without a pool,

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the big, the kitty pool I'm assuming, right?

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Would that be the only thing?

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I have to talk with Mike Jones

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to see how construction is staged in there. I don't know if it'll be worth them going there or not.

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Okay, but you know, I've been there a couple of times where they do use the like the basketball

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area, the picnic area because they have a food and stuff. So I don't know if they've

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they're really looking for the water rise if they can't get them, but they're just looking for a place

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to have the car. I think it's getting there, it's going to be the problem. So since they're right there,

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they walk there so we could find out Kale it's going to be even usable and then we can get back to

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them and let them. I was going to say that the resident reached out to me as well and I was on

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that same impression. I spoke to Kale about it. I have no problem waving the fee. If they're

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support for that my only concern was that I don't based on the date. I don't know if the park is

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going to be ready or not, but it is ready. I have no problem. Do you know how many students it is?

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I think $175 total, it was somewhere around $1,000, so it's probably about $180, 200 people.

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Mayor, if it's your wish, the commission can give me consensus tonight if you all want to waive those fees and I can report back next meeting whether or not it's going to be a usable facility for them or not.

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Okay, is the park going to be on a normal circumstances would that park be open anyways?

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Where do they open it up just for them? It would be it would be a private event just for them. I

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Still have no problem with it

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Yeah, it's during a school day as well. So I don't think anybody's really there. So

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But you will have a life card. Yes

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Are you guys okay with that?

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Okay, cool. All right, that is all I have. We're going to go to the consent agenda item.

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No, there's nothing on it.

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Yeah, the agenda is for it. Oh, city manager's report.

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Thank you, Mayor. Good evening, everybody. Nothing to report to me.

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David, you good? Jen, everything good?

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Thanks.

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Thank you guys for coming. The looks at it.

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Okay, item number five, consent agenda.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, David Tulsa City Attorney.

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These items are on your consent agenda this evening.

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Item 5A is the motion to approve the City Commission Minutes for the February 7th, 2024 Regular City Commission Meeting.

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The February 21st, 2024 Regular City Commission Meeting, and the March 6th, 2024 Regular City Commission Meeting.

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Item 5D is a resolution of the City of Marguerite Florida authorizing the approval of the change order to the

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The Coral Gate Tank Rehabilitation Project Resolution No. 23-094 to include an additional scope of work and an additional amount of $145,000 providing for an effective date item 5c is a resolution of the City Commission of the City of Marguerite Florida, authorizing the addition of four seasonal part-time lifeguard positions to the Parks and Recreation Department subject to the necessary budget amendment, providing for an effective date.

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Item 5D is a resolution of the City of Commission of the City of Marguerite Florida, authorizing the addition of the position of maintenance worker 1 to the Public Works Department, providing for the vacant service worker 1 or maintenance worker 1 position to be filled and funded at the same time, providing for a budget amendment, providing for an effective date.

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These items are for your considerations, part of the consent agenda this evening.

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Thank you, what's the wish of the board?

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Second.

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Question.

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All the roll.

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Mr. Casriano? Yes. Mr. Somon? Yes. Mr. Serio? Yes. Vice Mayor Short? Yes. Mayor Rosano? Yes.

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Okay. Item six is the as a resolution for the approving of the appointment for the board members and

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I think we're going to start with as a matter of which one. I'm getting back to the question.

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Go ahead. Thank you. Maybe I was there was a not a lot of applicants and I know there were some

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last minute with draws as well. So I was wondering, I'd like to make a motion to table this to a time

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certain. Both of them? Yes. And I'm going to add because it wasn't realized that some of the

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resumes weren't attached, so that some applications had nothing because it was a resume that nobody got

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to see. And I had asked that today we just get them so they haven't seen them yet.

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This idea, other than the fact that there may be a bunch of people sitting here who are up

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for appointment, up to you, but it would be hard to do some of this without now seeing the

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resumes because the attachments weren't there.

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I have no problem with that. I mean, is there

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anybody here for the board? If you guys don't mind, if we still have whoever wants to nominate,

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if not, you could just say, we'll wait till next meeting or whatever. You guys want to do that

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since they're here? Or do you want to just table the whole item? I have no pro, I'd still like

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to table it, but I would certainly want to hear what they have to say. We can ask some questions

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and then they don't have to show up at the next meeting. If they can't make it, we'll have already

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have spoken to them. Okay. So at least, you know, they did take the time to come here tonight.

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That was my other concern. So let's, so let's not table it so we could talk to them and then

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the side of the table as well. Sure. You can always withhold the rest of my motion from now.

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And let's, if we, the mayor is okay, we can listen to them.

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That's sure. Is there any board members that would like to come up that can't make it next

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meeting? Or people who have applied who are not necessarily board members would like to be board members.

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And I know you have two resolutions. So if you'd like me to read the first one,

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We're the first ones so you know which board we're talking about first. Yes. Okay. So this is a resolution of the city of Margate Florida

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Approving appointment for the position on the Margate Planning and Zoning Board for term commencing March 20 of 2024 through March 19, 2025

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Providing for an effective date. Thank you. Okay. So is anybody here looking actually anybody that is here now that wanted to be on the board?

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is it is why?

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Tony Osier.

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Sure.

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There's anybody that would like, say a few words in Tonyo?

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Tonyo.

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That's his name.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I call him something else.

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Well, I know.

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I call you something else.

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I call you something else too.

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Tony Osier.

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I know.

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I call you something else too.

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Tony Osier.

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last year, as always, I'm at the service of the city to be of any help I could be.

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I'm a 50-year local resident.

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I drove to Coconut Creek High School in 75 and 76 down these same roads that we were

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driving today, 25-year homeowner in Coral Bay, and I was at all the meetings for your plan

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development of downtown, which I told you is not to do, and they did, and I was at all the

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meetings for the bicycle trails that I asked you not to do, and thankfully you didn't, and I very

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much was involved in the signage at Coral Landings 2 and Best Buy came in, so I've been coming to

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For instance, 2003, I don't know from my service.

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Appreciate it. He's ready board. Tony, you would be perfect.

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He only picked for one. I don't know.

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I was only going to ask Keith Tony.

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Yeah, you only checked. I believe one box, which is planning and zoning.

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I was only going to ask you how are you feeling?

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You look good.

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Okay.

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Let me see.

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Who else coming down?

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Thanks for coming out, sir.

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Hi, Mr. Sanchez.

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I know you know me.

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I don't know if you have any questions.

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I applied for both, whichever I do decide that I could serve

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the best, I will be happy and able to. I will be here at the next meeting as well.

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I also stay there for a minute. I know sometimes, and I know the answer, but she's standing there,

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I know sometimes people don't see all questions, and the particular box you didn't see was the one

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that asked if you've ever been arrested.

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If you've ever been arrested. Oh no, thank you. I just wanted

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Because that was the one box.

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The one box you didn't check.

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Maybe the computer didn't click.

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And Elsa, you've served on the board recently, right?

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I served two years ago on the board or board of adjustments.

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I believe what did I appoint you to that?

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I believe so.

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So just because we don't agree on everything,

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I still felt that you would do well on the board

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and I would consider you again.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Elsa.

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So, is there anybody else that would like to speak on behalf of being a board member that possibly will make it?

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Hi, I'm Shakina with the Daisy Major.

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I'm currently on the board. I'm enjoying my time.

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I am enjoying serving the community and I hope to be able to do it for a second year.

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Awesome. First I want to say thank you for being on the board.

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I know it hasn't been that busy for the last year.

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I think it's going to be picking up again.

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I hope to see you back there.

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Thank you so much.

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Is there anybody else?

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Good

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evening, everyone.

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My name is Eugene Eckley.

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I'm new to your community.

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I hope to be of service.

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I have an extensive background in planning.

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Operations planning, contingency planning, emergency planning.

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Both at a local level and at a federal level.

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and also in corporate positions that I've held.

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If I'm appointed, I would consider it a privilege

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and apply the effort that I think you need

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to make it a success.

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Nice to meet you.

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Where did you move from?

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I was in town where I've three and a half years.

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You moved up awesome.

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You moved up town.

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The choice.

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Yeah, glad to be here.

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Nice to meet you.

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Thank you.

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Is there anybody else?

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Absolutely.

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Okay, so for that resolution the planning which one was it the planning and zoning out motion to table I'll second it and that's till the April 3rd meeting.

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I think time certain, right.

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Okay.

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So

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time's certain, okay? Yeah, just the April 3rd meeting. Okay. All right. There you go. Great. Next to the next commission meeting, right? They're going to give you a time.

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Well, if applications close two weeks before they're closing right now. Right. So we need. Oh, right. I'm going to have the same applicant pool.

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So it'll be the second meeting to open the applications back up to people two weeks April 17. Okay. Okay. All right. Is there a second? Is there a second? I did. All right. Call the roll.

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Mr. Casano. Yes. Mr. Smone. No. Mr. Osterio. Yes. Vice Mayor Schwartz. Yes. Marathon. I don't mind doing it now, but.

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I will, but it's going to be a useless road, but I'll say no.

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I wouldn't mind.

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Does anybody bring it back up?

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No, I wouldn't mind.

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I mean, I think we got qualified applicants.

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And I'm sure we'll get more qualified, but I respect the people coming here.

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You only want to do the number of people who are here that you actually have a completed application.

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I'm fine with that.

398
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I don't know if I can bring it back up though.

399
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If you vote in favor of the motion, you can make a motion reconsider, because the motion will pass.

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You need to vote yes, in other words, he's telling me to bring it back up.

401
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Can I do that as in there?

402
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I'm going to have to get out of here.

403
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I'm trying to do as clean as possible.

404
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Either way.

405
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So even seconded, you don't have to pass.

406
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Okay, I will vote no.

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So the motion pass is three to two.

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We have a motion for reconsideration made by Commissioner Caggiano, who was on the prevailing side, but you just need a second.

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So now you have a second to reconsider the motion to table.

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All right, we're going to call for a vote.

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Mr. Cagiano? Yes. Mr. Simone? Yes. Mr. Serio? Sure. Yes. Vice Mayor Schwartz? Yes.

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Mayor Rosanna? Yes. So now the motion to table is back on the table. Oh come on. So if the

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maker of the motion wants to remove the motion from the table, we just did that. No, no, now you're

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So, I'll pull my motion.

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Perfect.

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Okay, so the motion to table is no longer on the table.

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I have the resolution before you.

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If you would like to make a motion to appoint certain members to the planning and zoning board,

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you can with the understanding that the full resolution would need to come back to you

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probably at your April 17th meeting to nominate other individuals, but you can

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certainly...

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Point individuals tonight. All right, so we can appoint some. We don't have to fill the entire thing because some of these applications were not correct. That works. Okay. All right. So we'll start with the commission. I'd like to enter a name for planning and zoning. To a gentleman. I think we're doing board of the just. No, no, I'm sorry.

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I read them out of order in the agenda. I apologize.

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I read it in order.

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I know how to read.

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Okay.

427
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Yeah.

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I read them out of order.

429
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So we are on item 6B.

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I apologize.

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Okay.

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So this is planning on zoning.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I have a name I'd like to insert for planning and zoning.

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A 50 year resident.

437
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A person who I disagree with so often.

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but he also, as Antonio Shadouba, Elsa, he doesn't come unprepared, so I'm going to insert the name Antonio Spavento and hope that he plays well in the sandbox with the others.

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Antonio is my friend.

440
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I want to shock everyone here.

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I was waiting. I'm going to second it just so that I can hear what he says and then disagree with but I'll say well, let's hope we agree on whether we disagree and if we disagree with him, let's hope that he gives us something that's worth looking at. Change your mind. I say jokingly but even though I disagree with people, I certainly take back things that they said.

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I'll tell you what, I'll referee the sandbox.

443
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I'm sorry, I don't know how to say your last name.

444
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Okay.

445
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So just because I pulled the table so that we can vote for some of the people that are here,

446
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but not am I able to hold my appointment for now and make it at a future meeting?

447
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I don't even want if you make it now for someone who's not here, their name is still on the list and if we're going to do it, we can do it even if we don't have them here.

448
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They wouldn't have been here if we did it tonight.

449
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They said yes to you.

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All

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right,

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I'll just do it now.

453
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Right now, she's mismajor, but it's of off the day, too, because I can fit Mrs.

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off a day, too.

455
00:32:59,890 --> 00:33:03,850
Not good with pronouncing names, but I've seen you here at the meetings before,

456
00:33:03,910 --> 00:33:05,710
and I know you served on the board previously.

457
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:06,590
She's on it right now.

458
00:33:06,850 --> 00:33:07,370
So, right.

459
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:07,870
So.

460
00:33:08,410 --> 00:33:10,890
I'll second that because I can say your name.

461
00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:23,000
I'm going to put back on Mohammed Suleiman, who's a board member and also a plumbing inspector.

462
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,760
Somebody second that.

463
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,400
Oh, thank you.

464
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:31,740
That's easy.

465
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:32,620
That leaves me.

466
00:33:33,020 --> 00:33:34,540
We're on planning zoning, right?

467
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,300
You are.

468
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:39,710
Oh, also.

469
00:33:39,970 --> 00:33:40,690
Shopped everybody.

470
00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:41,190
Get ahead.

471
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:42,070
Elsa Sanchez.

472
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:45,500
I'll second that.

473
00:33:46,580 --> 00:33:47,180
Okay.

474
00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:47,960
That's one board.

475
00:33:47,960 --> 00:34:00,200
So for the record for the planning and zoning board, which is item 6B on tonight's agenda, you have Antonio Spavento, Eugene Eckley, Shakina, Wapadejo, Major, Muhammad, Suleiman, and Elsa Sanchez.

476
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,260
All right.

477
00:34:02,060 --> 00:34:05,920
So we vote as a slate, David.

478
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Okay.

479
00:34:07,020 --> 00:34:07,580
All right.

480
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:12,080
So we're done with that.

481
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,340
So many made a motion. You seconded each names.

482
00:34:16,020 --> 00:34:18,880
You know, okay, now now we'll go to the

483
00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:21,100
You said we go.

484
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,880
Call the roll call the roll call the roll.

485
00:34:23,940 --> 00:34:25,660
Just second in.

486
00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:26,760
And we do it this way.

487
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:27,660
Call the roll.

488
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:28,380
We did it this way.

489
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,040
Now we have to vote on this.

490
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:30,580
Yeah.

491
00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:32,300
Mr. Casiano.

492
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,060
Yes.

493
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,300
Mr. Simone.

494
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:34,980
Yes.

495
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,120
Mr. Serio.

496
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:36,900
Yes.

497
00:34:37,300 --> 00:34:37,860
Vice Mayor Schwarz.

498
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:38,020
Yes.

499
00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:39,120
Yes.

500
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:39,900
Thank you everybody.

501
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:43,640
That's probably the easiest board appointments we've done in the years.

502
00:34:48,640 --> 00:35:02,100
We're going to do the Board of Adjustment, right, which is item 6A, which is a resolution of the city of Margae, Florida, proving appointments for the Margae Board of Adjustment for a term commencing March 20, 2024, the March 19, 2025, but right before an effective date.

503
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:06,040
Thank you. All right, we'll start with Commissioner Cajana.

504
00:35:07,870 --> 00:35:09,590
I'm going to go with Aaron N. Wright.

505
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:25,060
I'm going to go with Joey Brando.

506
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:29,160
Oh, yeah, was there a second for everybody?

507
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:30,980
I'll second for Joey.

508
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,120
All right.

509
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,020
That was Joe Brando.

510
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Yeah.

511
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:34,580
Okay.

512
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,800
Commissioner Arserio.

513
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,780
What was the name of the gentleman that came up and spoke with the planning experience?

514
00:35:42,780 --> 00:35:43,600
He was picked up.

515
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,720
on the left.

516
00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:54,450
As Eugene been picked. No.

517
00:35:56,540 --> 00:35:59,860
No. Yes. Oh, you changed. Oh, yeah,

518
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,360
in equity. Yeah.

519
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,480
Sloan Robbins. There's not one to be reappointing.

520
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:17,960
Because it's on the list here. Yeah. You could wait. Yeah, I'll wait on this one.

521
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,400
And I'll decide at the next meeting. Thank you. All right.

522
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,680
Vice Mayor. All right, since there is one more member that does want to be reappointed,

523
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,140
I will submit your name of Barbara Farias.

524
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:36,270
Tell me one second. Second.

525
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Okay. Um, you know, I'm going to hold on to my vote because I was

526
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:53,560
going to not be afraid, but I saw his application expire. So you're going to hold yours as well.

527
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:59,360
all hold mine as well. So we'll have three and then wait until next year. If you want to

528
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,680
vote on the three tonight, you can. That's fine. So you have motion is second for

529
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,580
Aaron N. Wright, Joe, Brenda, and Barbara Ferris.

530
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:15,500
Seconded. Call the room.

531
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,460
Mr. Cagiano? Yes. Mr. Smone? Yes. Mr. Arsario? Yes. Vice Mayor Schwartz? Yes.

532
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,060
Yes. Marathon? Yes. Is it supposed to be this easy?

533
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:31,490
Yeah. And then we'll come back on the

534
00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:35,350
470. The other two will come back next for Board of Adjustment. Right.

535
00:37:35,550 --> 00:37:35,750
Correct.

536
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:47,360
Okay. Next, we are going to go to item 7a, discussion and possible action. With

537
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,460
that being said, I

538
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,580
know there are people here that want to speak on the side of

539
00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:56,480
the more commissioners here that want to speak on the item.

540
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,760
Chief, I'm going to allow you, if you want to speak first, you want to welcome

541
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:08,320
to come speak. And then commissioners, you can play however you want after that.

542
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,580
Good evening, Joe Galaska, Chief of Police. I'd like to begin by offering my sincere

543
00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:20,740
apologies to anyone I may have offended with previous text messages due to my

544
00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:21,720
choice of words.

545
00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:26,500
Approximately a year and a half ago, I communicated with somebody who might believe to be a friend.

546
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,520
I deeply regret any unprofessional remarks I made about others.

547
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:34,840
It's important to note at the time I had been in the role of chief for about six months,

548
00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:37,300
and still learning a lot of the nuances of the position.

549
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:43,100
It's worth considering that I was speaking to someone whom I believed I could confide in,

550
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,600
as they incurred me to vent to them.

551
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,300
However, I now understand the lines can become blurred, especially after spending decades working closely

552
00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,660
closely with colleagues, you begin to feel like friends.

553
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,440
The hard reality is that they are employees first.

554
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,140
As chief, I recognize the expectations of professionalism are high.

555
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,180
I take full responsibility for falling short in that regard.

556
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:10,960
I want to clarify that my expressions of frustration were not reflective of my professional decisions.

557
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,600
I never allowed my personal feelings to influence my actions.

558
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,400
In fact, despite the incident, I promoted an individual in question.

559
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,560
to trust them with important projects, such as our peer counseling and critical stress management program.

560
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,160
Regarding recent events, it's unfortunate that some individuals have chosen to exploit the situation.

561
00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:35,860
I urge those who are quickly judged to consider the facts before making assumptions.

562
00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:45,240
So here are some facts that are not opinions a few, to demonstrate the allegations that I have bias against female employees.

563
00:39:45,240 --> 00:40:02,640
There is a movement along the law enforcement for females in the occupation called 30 and 30 and that's trying to get 30% of female employees in law enforcement by 2030 because currently in the nation there's 12%.

564
00:40:04,060 --> 00:40:07,260
Ashley Moody put an article out that Florida is doing better than that.

565
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:17,440
And she had indicated that, she encouraged women to join the law enforcement ranks to help Floridians keep Floridians safe.

566
00:40:18,020 --> 00:40:25,840
According to the Department of Law Enforcement, the record 7,410 sworn female officers in the state make up 16%.

567
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:35,710
Before my tenure, we were at 17% female employees.

568
00:40:36,570 --> 00:40:39,910
During my tenure, we were up to 21% female employees.

569
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:48,430
Out of the 22 officers I've hired since I've been as chief, was nine females, which is 41%.

570
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:58,230
Promotions in December 2021 for sergeants, there were six promotions, three of them were females, that's 50%.

571
00:41:00,150 --> 00:41:10,750
In May of 2022, Lieutenant's exam, there were five applicants, two female, three male, another female was promoted, that's 33%.

572
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,880
And then in September of 2023, there were two male officers, one female officer, and one male officer was promoted on that one.

573
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:29,620
So the facts and the percentages don't lie that my hiring practice and promotion practice does not have any bias against women.

574
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:39,300
How to adjust a broader issue?

575
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:45,160
When I assume the role of chief of police about two years ago, it was not a seamless transition.

576
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,960
I was handed a broken department, broken culture, riddled with issues.

577
00:41:52,020 --> 00:42:05,140
Transforming the culture of police agencies is a gradual process that requires time, resources, and support, and unfortunately, despite my repeated requests, I did not receive the necessary assistance I needed to successfully implement the changes I wanted to make.

578
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:12,480
I want to emphasize that I'm not here for personal game, but rather because I'm committed to making a positive difference in our community.

579
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:19,720
Despite the challenges and setbacks I remain steadfast in my determination to affect change, whatever I cannot do it alone.

580
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:23,340
I need your support and cooperation to move forward.

581
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:30,100
I believe with your support and willingness to listen to my proposals, we can gradually transform the culture of our police agencies for the better.

582
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:33,300
The decision to continue pressing forward rests with you,

583
00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:38,990
but I am hopeful that together we can make a lasting impact.

584
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:50,860
What this incident also has showed me throughout the period of time that this has been going on is it outlined a lot more dysfunction that we even realized was there.

585
00:42:51,740 --> 00:43:00,940
So, there is a lot of work to be done, and I'm more than willing and ready to continue

586
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:04,740
to try to make the positive changes that I've been trying to make for the two years I've

587
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:05,020
been here.

588
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,060
But I was not handed the keys to a brand new Mercedes, I was handed the keys to a lemon

589
00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:10,720
from a junkyard.

590
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:16,960
So I'm trying to help me establish something, this is a step back, and often there's a step

591
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,220
back in a step forward when you're trying to make change.

592
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,440
But I'm committed to trying to do the best I can, as I always have for the city.

593
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:24,800
Thank you.

594
00:43:35,550 --> 00:43:40,670
The other is three lights lit, so we're going to start off with Commissioner Simone.

595
00:43:45,060 --> 00:43:45,600
Thank you.

596
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:56,440
This situation is very difficult to talk about publicly, but is required by the charter amendment

597
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:07,280
that was passed in 2018 where the commissioners are responsible for hiring and firing the chief of police and also the fire chief.

598
00:44:08,140 --> 00:44:16,040
The investigative report has brought severe doubt about the leadership skills of chief Galasca.

599
00:44:16,660 --> 00:44:26,420
Many disturbing character flaws have been brought to light to make delivery of the responsibilities entrusted to a police chief

600
00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:36,100
and effective. The safety of law enforcement personnel, city employees, residents and businesses

601
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:45,980
are in jeopardy without stable, trusted leadership. The reputation of Margate is stained.

602
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,180
Rebuilding trust and respect can only be achieved with new leadership.

603
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:59,980
Let's look at facts, there was an outside unbiased

604
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:31,260
Investigation conducted. It revealed evidence to substantiate a female lieutenants claims of harassment and hostile work environments. Text messages from the chief violate of conduct and the city's professional conduct and respectful workplace policies. His conduct ultimately creates a potential liability for

605
00:45:31,260 --> 00:45:33,100
the city in the future.

606
00:45:35,230 --> 00:45:43,290
Text messages raises concern regarding potential gender bias within the Margate Police

607
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:49,190
Department and again has a potential of creating future issues for the city.

608
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:56,230
The chief stated that he will never trust 7.7 out of 12 under him.

609
00:45:58,170 --> 00:46:01,650
He doesn't trust the people to run the lieutenant's tests.

610
00:46:01,650 --> 00:46:05,230
It makes derogatory statements about others.

611
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:11,290
There is no chain of command with regard to complaints within the department.

612
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:17,310
The investigators stated that the commission expanded the scope of the investigation.

613
00:46:18,050 --> 00:46:26,070
She would confirm the veracity of a statement the chief made to a sergeant texting, and

614
00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:28,790
I quote, he had to promote her.

615
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:36,150
There are three findings of untruthfulness by the chief.

616
00:46:36,810 --> 00:46:43,170
One was a video incident where he stated the production crew asked for a male officer

617
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:48,070
that was confirmed by the production crew to be not true.

618
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:57,070
Number two, text messages to a sergeant relay a different perspective than he answered

619
00:46:57,070 --> 00:46:59,850
on a female lieutenant being promoted.

620
00:47:00,870 --> 00:47:07,450
Number three, the female lieutenant according to the chief was having performance issues.

621
00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:12,770
However, her direct supervisor denied such claims.

622
00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:21,090
This isn't the first time complaints of a hostile environment and retaliation have surfaced.

623
00:47:21,090 --> 00:47:25,530
There were similar complaints when he was interim chief.

624
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:33,470
The investigator recommends an additional investigation be conducted due to potential

625
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:35,430
gender bias within the department.

626
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:43,510
Two separate votes of no confidence overwhelmingly passed throughout the command staff and officers.

627
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:52,310
Re-reports, all naming, cheese involvement, and various disconcerning ways.

628
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:54,730
There have been three reports.

629
00:47:57,740 --> 00:48:03,060
The training on the city's policies and procedures was August of 2023.

630
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:10,740
The training was entitled, workplace harassment and bullying, managing threats to respectful

631
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:19,280
work culture. And the second training was diversity in the workplace. At least one text message

632
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:29,580
sent September of 2023 from the chief was just one month after this training. Those were the

633
00:48:29,580 --> 00:48:39,180
facts taken from the investigative report. Facts don't lie. In my research, police chief magazine

634
00:48:39,180 --> 00:48:43,340
had an article about essential qualities of effective leaders.

635
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:50,320
The Police Chief Magazine listed integrity as an essential attribute, and I quote,

636
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,300
the strong morals and honesty demonstrated by a leader with integrity will enforce

637
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:04,380
the agency's mission statement and the community's expectations of professional policing.

638
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:15,300
Without integrity, there is little hope for trust and legitimacy to be perceived by the officers or the community."

639
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:29,820
Traits that have come up consistently in researching the characteristics of a chief must have to be a chief, must have to be a good leader listed the following.

640
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:42,040
integrity, ethics, support of transparent, inspiring his or her people to achieve, compassion,

641
00:49:42,740 --> 00:49:51,340
self-awareness, courage, respect, honesty, accountability, and team building.

642
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,820
I have no ill will towards the chief.

643
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:58,740
I had left the running of the department up to the chief.

644
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:06,340
A chief should be a board, a board in all words and deeds.

645
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,360
He sets the standards for others to follow.

646
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:19,040
It is not to say mistakes don't happen, but these behaviors are serious, repetitive patterns.

647
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:29,580
On truthfulness is a lack of moral character. Not a mistake. No excuse on that. I know of many men,

648
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:37,200
not to mention women, who, if the verbiage in the text were about a female family member,

649
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:47,680
they would not sit guy idly. Let me ask some serious questions to ponder going forward. Number one,

650
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,880
How does the department come back from this, with this chief at the helm?

651
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:59,420
Number two, how do you expect there to be unity and trust within the department?

652
00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:07,020
Number three, how do we expect our police to have the confidence to continue to put their

653
00:51:07,020 --> 00:51:14,720
lives on the line every day when they don't feel supported by each other or the chief?

654
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:22,920
Number four, how do you dismiss the chief violating his own police department standard

655
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:29,980
of conduct and the city's professional conduct and respectful worst workplace policies?

656
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:35,200
Retention is vital to a police department.

657
00:51:35,740 --> 00:51:42,340
How many of our officers are or will be actively looking elsewhere should the chief remain.

658
00:51:42,340 --> 00:51:46,760
and what does that do to the reputation of our city?

659
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,660
If the chief is retained, there is no doubt going forward,

660
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:56,280
there will be a lot of anger and retaliation on many different levels.

661
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:02,560
This resentment will cause safety issues and liability to the city,

662
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,040
residents and businesses.

663
00:52:05,980 --> 00:52:08,140
This is a fractured unit.

664
00:52:09,380 --> 00:52:17,040
Many of you here tonight, I know, are supporting one person, not the entire police organization.

665
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:25,500
These men and women who sacrifice for us, us each and every day, need to know we respect

666
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:29,440
them, their decisions, and they have our support.

667
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,280
They are the ones on the front lines with firsthand knowledge.

668
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:41,900
that department needs accountability and discipline from a leader they can trust to protect them.

669
00:52:42,660 --> 00:52:49,540
Many of our police don't want to come to work. They fear retaliation. They need an environment

670
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:56,480
where they can feel safe and protected. There needs to be an overhaul of the promotion process

671
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:01,640
as a broken system, particularly on the oral exam part.

672
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:08,440
The chief convinced the commission to be allowed to go to the 60% of the grading process

673
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,700
on the oral exam.

674
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:17,240
What I did not know at that time is that the oral exam board of how the oral exam board

675
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:23,880
is conducted is made up of the chief and officers he promoted to the title of major.

676
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:31,680
The oral exam portion needs to be conducted by an outside entity where it is completely

677
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,060
unbiased and not subjective from your peers.

678
00:53:36,980 --> 00:53:41,080
I cannot and will not support the chief to stay.

679
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,080
I hold the title and position of chief and higher esteem and standard.

680
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,960
He is accountable to a higher standard.

681
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:58,740
I respect and support the members of the union's recommendation of immediate resignation.

682
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,740
The damage is irreparable.

683
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,180
We need new leadership.

684
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:13,160
We have a responsibility to protect all police officers and the department, all employees,

685
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,400
residents, businesses, and the reputation of our city.

686
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:27,530
I have read the city's code, city code of ethical conduct, and I would like to quote it.

687
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:37,110
All city employees are expected to conduct themselves on an off-duty and a manner which

688
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:44,130
does not erode public confidence in the city or bring the city into disrepute.

689
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:52,070
I have read the City Employment Guide and the guides on bias policing.

690
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:54,370
I would like to pass them out to each of you.

691
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:56,730
I know a lot of you probably have not read them.

692
00:54:57,230 --> 00:55:02,250
When I saw them in the report, I took it upon myself before they investigate.

693
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:12,750
And I have highlighted in here if you'd like to give it a quick hand or some things that

694
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:16,270
but I think are important to this discussion tonight.

695
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:29,960
There's, sorry.

696
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:32,460
That's why I'm sure it isn't a public vote.

697
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:36,900
Should I have one on, yes?

698
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,020
Should I have two different ones on the bias policing?

699
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,420
Yes, I do.

700
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:57,100
And also, I am passing out the City of Marigate Employment Guide with the areas on ethical

701
00:55:57,100 --> 00:55:59,580
standards, professional conduct.

702
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,720
You did say on and off duty, right?

703
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:02,420
I did.

704
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:03,400
It is in here.

705
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:05,800
If you would like to see it right here on the very first page.

706
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,960
No, I just, I'm going to ask you about that in the memory, but that's okay.

707
00:56:12,180 --> 00:56:15,080
Respect the workplace and technology use and security.

708
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,560
and also the last page is an employee acknowledging form showing that all

709
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:27,360
employees need to read and understand these employment guides.

710
00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:30,020
Thank

711
00:56:37,380 --> 00:56:38,080
you.

712
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,300
Thank you.

713
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,300
Um, vice mayor, you're next.

714
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:43,380
I'm.

715
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,920
I just want to make sure that.

716
00:56:50,620 --> 00:56:51,780
Everybody got.

717
00:56:51,980 --> 00:56:53,200
Give my copy.

718
00:56:53,820 --> 00:56:54,660
Okay.

719
00:56:56,740 --> 00:56:58,760
You're all different.

720
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,680
You're all.

721
00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:05,460
That's.

722
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,040
Right.

723
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,040
just went back. Okay. Okay.

724
00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:15,310
All right, vice mayor. Those of you who know me know I rarely write

725
00:57:15,310 --> 00:57:17,710
something down. Today I did.

726
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:23,790
And not speaking for anyone else, I will tell you that over the last

727
00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:28,750
week and a half, although I haven't lost the pound, I haven't eaten. I haven't slept. This is,

728
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:35,570
this for me is a big deal. So I'm going to read you what I wrote so that I say exactly what's been

729
00:57:35,570 --> 00:57:37,310
going on in my mind for quite a while.

730
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:40,850
Today, regardless of which side you're on of this issue,

731
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:42,710
it's a sad day for the city of Margate,

732
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:44,590
its residence and its police department.

733
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:48,210
First, we are faced with deciding an appropriate

734
00:57:48,210 --> 00:57:51,170
disciplinary action for what was an egregious,

735
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:53,410
thoughtful, and offensive text message,

736
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:56,170
which while an expression of free speech

737
00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:59,590
should discuss each and every one of us

738
00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:03,350
who has a mother, a sister, a wife, a female child,

739
00:58:03,350 --> 00:58:11,250
or a female friend. The chief is just spoken to that, although I told him delaying such an apology

740
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:18,170
for three weeks in my mind adds to the outrage. I believe that the City Commission will come up

741
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:24,730
with an appropriate discipline action for that. Unfortunately, there is more that needs to be discussed

742
00:58:24,730 --> 00:58:31,350
tonight. He goes without saying that when Joseph Galaska was appointed chief, he inherited a

743
00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:37,850
Department with problems that he was aware of, and although I think we thought that his

744
00:58:37,850 --> 00:58:42,270
was a temporary appointment, I didn't believe that the commission—I don't believe

745
00:58:42,270 --> 00:58:47,050
that the commission received any complaints that would indicate that many of the old issues

746
00:58:47,050 --> 00:58:51,710
so existed. Unfortunately, I now know that that's clearly not true.

747
00:58:52,330 --> 00:58:57,270
The text messages on coverage during the independent investigation have opened up a pen

748
00:58:57,270 --> 00:59:00,710
and or as box of other systemic and toxic issues

749
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:02,390
within the police department.

750
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:06,110
Since the investigative reports were released,

751
00:59:06,750 --> 00:59:09,070
I've been contacted by and spoken with

752
00:59:09,070 --> 00:59:11,510
both male and female members of our department,

753
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,230
each of whom independently relates

754
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:18,290
into instances of cronism, gender bias,

755
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:21,090
infighting among upper management ranks

756
00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:24,290
and a general lack of respect for the chain of command.

757
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:30,730
Many believe that their complaints fell on deaf ears within the department and we're not fully investigated.

758
00:59:31,570 --> 00:59:38,730
The female officers that asked to meet with me several of whom have been with the Margate Police Department for more than two decades

759
00:59:39,250 --> 00:59:43,110
said they did so to prevent their female complaint.

760
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:53,520
They did so to prevent their other, they met with me to prevent other female officers from having the same experience they did

761
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,620
and discuss being given less than favorable assignments

762
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:58,920
that their male peers with less experience.

763
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,920
We're not given. They told me of opportunities that they had to work harder for simply because

764
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:13,020
they were women. And in one spoke of an instance where a female had to prove she could take the

765
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:19,280
bruises that came along with the job to gain respect. As a female I realized that these issues

766
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:25,040
are not unique to the Marguerite Police Department. This is where I live and serve and try and make

767
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,520
a difference on the days. As a female, it's a problem.

768
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:36,460
Chief Colaska has had an almost 30-year career with the department. The last two-and-a-half

769
01:00:36,460 --> 01:00:41,160
years is chief. I know that he's tried to make a difference, but I also know that the

770
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:46,540
department is broken, that morale is at its lowest, and there is a need for a cultural change

771
01:00:46,540 --> 01:00:52,180
that cannot be ignored any longer. I've been told that if there is no change, we may see

772
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:57,780
a mass exodus of over 20% of the young members of the department who have watched the previous

773
01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:04,680
chief's resume be replaced by a new regime and believe those of them which make up the majority

774
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:11,240
of the rank and file have been ignored and abandoned. So with this in mind, I also met with

775
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:18,680
Raj Skurven, president of the PVA union and I heard him and he heard me. We are all aware that

776
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,080
There are no confidence vote conducted by the union members and the letter, Mr.

777
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Sturvin, sent to the commission as a result of that vote.

778
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:33,240
I wanted to know how to make this better for everyone, and I proposed the compromise.

779
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:36,200
Those who know me know how I always try and do that when I'm up here.

780
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,200
I spoke with Chief Colasco last night and discussed this idea with him, and

781
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,280
I'm now going to share it with the commission.

782
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:49,320
I propose that aside from the disciplinary action to be taken regarding the inappropriate

783
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,840
text messages, we give the chief six months to bring meaningful change to his department

784
01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,240
with our support to weed out the problems that he inherited, inspire confidence among

785
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,480
the men and women of this department that stand on their accomplishment and not their friendships.

786
01:02:06,420 --> 01:02:11,680
As I said to the chief, it's lonely at the top for a reason, and he can have no personal

787
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,500
friendships among the ranks that he shares his personal feelings with.

788
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:22,200
This is also what I proposed to the Union President, and he agreed it was possible.

789
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:25,740
We need to learn from our mistakes and never repeat them.

790
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:34,560
I would also like to ask Mr. Skervin to come up and speak now, but before I look to an end

791
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:39,620
of this with an amicable and palatable solution for all sides and an opportunity to change

792
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:45,640
to the right direction. And one last thing, for those of you who think, I care whether

793
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:52,040
or not I get a union endorsement, let me be very clear. I've never gotten it from me.

794
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:58,500
I've won. I've lost. I've won. I've lost. I've won. I've won. With or without that, this

795
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:05,900
is about my city. Although I live in the last 40 years, this is not about whether I win or

796
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:10,400
I lose. It's about being able to go to sleep tonight, wake up in the morning, and like

797
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:16,400
what I look at in the window, in the mirror. It's about healing a fracture of this department

798
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:22,560
that goes long and deep and finding some way to do it. Quite frankly, even six months,

799
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,080
that isn't done. I vote to bring somebody in from the outside because I can tell you right

800
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:34,520
now, I will never vote to promote from within because that's not systemic change. That's

801
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,500
It's just deepening of chasm we already have.

802
01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:44,080
You need somebody who has no alliances, no friendships, and no desire to do anything,

803
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,680
but make our city better.

804
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:51,080
And with that, if it would not be a problem for you and Mr. Scurvin would like to get up

805
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:51,780
and say something.

806
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:52,620
I would.

807
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,700
Can I ask, can I ask you a question?

808
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:55,300
Sure.

809
01:04:01,690 --> 01:04:04,490
I didn't have as big of a writing as you had.

810
01:04:05,230 --> 01:04:06,110
Mine is going to be real quick.

811
01:04:06,110 --> 01:04:08,770
You didn't do it at 6.15 before we,

812
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:17,470
I think, that we should suspend the chief for a month without pay.

813
01:04:20,380 --> 01:04:26,480
I think we need department-wide in person as opposed to computer,

814
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,940
diversity training, and harassment training,

815
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,740
and the chief needs a letter of discipline in his,

816
01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:38,980
in his jacket. Listen, I want to make sure we haven't

817
01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:45,440
understanding what he did. The trust he put in others. Well, it

818
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:52,040
taught him a lesson. Bob Mollie has a line about your best

819
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,520
friends can be your worst enemies because they know your

820
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:59,740
secrets. So only they can reveal them. Well, this is not

821
01:04:59,740 --> 01:05:07,560
a friendship. And I just think when you wait over a year and a half to do something, you're

822
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:17,400
doing it for a reason. So if we can maybe have this break up a little soon at this conversation,

823
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:25,520
I'm going to say a month suspension without pay, department wide, diversity, harassment training,

824
01:05:26,540 --> 01:05:34,320
whether it's discipline in his jacket and I'm hoping that a month's pay cut will teach him

825
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:40,560
what I tell people all the time. What are you writing this stuff for? It's going to come back

826
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:47,780
to hit you. You had a bad day, you wrote a bad thing and it's going to come back and hurt you.

827
01:05:47,900 --> 01:05:51,680
Are you agreeing with my six months? I'll agree with six months.

828
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:20,940
I guess it's like pornography, you know, when you see it, and I think, and I think in six months, well, you know what, I did it, I did it, okay?

829
01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:23,740
change? You know what changes to me?

830
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:28,990
Your heart is far. I wasn't expecting to have to

831
01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:36,830
make an analysis. That's hard to follow. I think changes, recognizing the fact that your

832
01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:42,950
friendships change, possibly the people you rely on change, and that you know what? We

833
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:48,250
should not be the last people to know. And I recognize that charter doesn't give us the right to

834
01:06:48,250 --> 01:06:54,230
do anything other than higher, higher, and disciplined, because the chief works for the

835
01:06:54,230 --> 01:07:01,430
city manager. So let me say to the city manager that if this comes to you as it should based

836
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:07,550
on the hierarchy, you sure as heck better tell it does, because we shouldn't be sitting

837
01:07:07,550 --> 01:07:14,130
here having this conversation after the fact or after two and a half years or after two years

838
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:19,890
before that that I had the pleasure of reading those books shouldn't happen so if it means

839
01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:25,210
that during your weekly meetings you have to say to each department how's it going and

840
01:07:25,210 --> 01:07:29,510
if you need to talk to me my door is open because I'd rather you do it than the members

841
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:34,730
of the staff come in and if it means you have to enter Vene because that is your role

842
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:42,210
your role and you do so but I sure as heck would expect them to be briefed weekly if necessary

843
01:07:42,210 --> 01:07:49,430
daily if you have to because as much as I will tell every member here or already has my telephone

844
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:54,730
number it hasn't changed in 40 years. I don't have a problem getting a phone call and clearly I don't

845
01:07:54,730 --> 01:08:00,650
have a problem keeping people's names anonymous but if it has to get to me because it didn't get to

846
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:11,510
you to get to me we have a problem. We all understand what I just said. Pretty clear to me and so if you

847
01:08:11,510 --> 01:08:19,070
Hello, I think commissioner sorry. I wouldn't speak. Yeah, I was going to ask if maybe the commissioners can speak and then I would just like to believe he's

848
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:23,310
the union rep is here. I believe the investigators here as well.

849
01:08:24,350 --> 01:08:26,750
All right, so Mr. Scarver, do you like to come up?

850
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:30,810
Well, I was going to ask you to speak first.

851
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:34,450
I'll, I'll, I'll uphold my comments till I hear from Mr. Scarver.

852
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:40,180
So if you have some, I'll say, I'm done. Yeah, right now I'm done.

853
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:48,780
What do I start? First of all, as Commissioner Simone said, this is not personal.

854
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:56,160
Chief Galasca has worked for this city a long time. He's a resident and personally he's a

855
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,100
really nice guy. I'm sure there's going to be people that are going to come up and tell

856
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:08,520
you how great he is. I'm not questioning that at all. Without question. When I ran the

857
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:13,380
first time and he wasn't chief, he had my signs in his yard when I was running for election.

858
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:22,760
I can easily, easily defend him 100%, but I think I'm trying to do what I believe

859
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:23,220
is right.

860
01:09:27,570 --> 01:09:32,990
We usually agree most of us up here, sometimes we don't, it's not personal against any one

861
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:33,530
of you either.

862
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:38,730
I'm not here to talk about this or that.

863
01:09:38,730 --> 01:09:43,350
I'm talking about strictly the facts and what was in the investigation.

864
01:09:44,830 --> 01:09:50,470
Based on some of the comments I've already heard, I hope it's not going the way I think it's

865
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:55,710
going to go. But if it does go a different direction than what I believe or commission or some

866
01:09:55,710 --> 01:10:00,910
own beliefs, I'm going to respect that decision. I'm going to respect my colleagues. I might not be happy

867
01:10:00,910 --> 01:10:07,370
about it, but I'll respect it. And if the chief comes back and I don't know how he can,

868
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:09,050
and I'll explain why in a little bit,

869
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:12,170
but I'm gonna be professional in work with them.

870
01:10:12,690 --> 01:10:15,050
I'm a professional in the private sector.

871
01:10:15,250 --> 01:10:16,230
I have clients screaming,

872
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:17,250
custom yawning at me.

873
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:18,570
I never lose my composure

874
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:22,030
and I always conduct myself in a professional manner.

875
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:23,590
Now, if someone cusses at me in the hallway,

876
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:24,610
I'll tell them off, too.

877
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:26,790
Like someone confronting me the other night.

878
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:29,110
But professionally, I remain a professional.

879
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:33,210
So chief, if you're here, no hard feeling,

880
01:10:33,450 --> 01:10:36,610
no, I meant whatever the future holds,

881
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:39,870
I will continue to work with him in a professional manner.

882
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:48,170
So I'm going to dive in, first of all, the charter allows us to hire fire to spend.

883
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:50,930
That's something that the residents chose to do.

884
01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:52,770
I know you were against it.

885
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:53,830
I wasn't here.

886
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:56,670
I did support the initiative, but I didn't bring that up.

887
01:10:57,230 --> 01:10:57,710
It was here.

888
01:10:58,030 --> 01:11:00,090
It was voted on when I first got elected.

889
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:09,270
We had a previous police chief, I don't want to mention their name, but they did things

890
01:11:09,270 --> 01:11:14,750
things that were wrong. These things were from 10 years ago. We get about two years or

891
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:19,490
years. These two things were from 10 years ago and they weren't achieved. I'm not dismissing

892
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:26,610
what that person did. They were wrong. But we've got to be consistent. So when I hear comments

893
01:11:26,610 --> 01:11:31,810
like, well, these are from two years ago or this, that or whatever, we had no problem terminating

894
01:11:31,810 --> 01:11:35,330
a chief that did things from 10 years ago.

895
01:11:37,550 --> 01:11:42,590
So I like to try to be consistent and be, if I'm going to treat that person like that,

896
01:11:43,170 --> 01:11:46,010
I'm going to take these issues and treat them similarly.

897
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:54,520
You know, I've heard just from reading comments or things, you know, like there's conspiracy

898
01:11:54,520 --> 01:12:01,140
this, conspiracy that that, you know, the city manager was behind this or I was behind this

899
01:12:01,140 --> 01:12:08,080
or commissioner Simone and I were behind that commissioner everyone knows we don't agree on 95% of things

900
01:12:08,940 --> 01:12:15,160
so the day that commissioner and I Simone and I conspire on something is probably the day health

901
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:26,330
freezes over okay as far as the age of the text I hear well people held them back for personal gain

902
01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:33,690
Okay. Let's look at the history of the city, though. Okay. We had a firefighter several

903
01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:41,090
years back that came forward, had mental problem issues, mental health issues. Basically, railroad

904
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:49,850
it is career. Can't even be a firefighter anymore. Then we had another first responder that developed

905
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:53,770
an alcohol and drug addiction and was actually using drugs on the job.

906
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,020
And you know what happened?

907
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:03,780
You want to know what their reasoning was for not coming forward because we rewrote the last person.

908
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:08,720
So yeah, people are scared.

909
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:14,730
They're scared to come forward. And we've got an overwhelming

910
01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:20,550
vote of no confidence, which is not easy to do. I know it's easy to throw that term out,

911
01:13:21,790 --> 01:13:30,050
But to actually successfully have a vote of no confidence, I mean, I've been here, people

912
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:32,610
have been here longer than me, but I don't think this has ever happened before.

913
01:13:33,310 --> 01:13:36,650
This is not something that you could just, oh yeah, vote of no confidence.

914
01:13:41,670 --> 01:13:46,190
So they're scared to come forward because even with a vote of no confidence, even without

915
01:13:46,190 --> 01:13:49,930
range of the apartment it seems like it's just going to fall on deaf ears.

916
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:54,470
I've heard that it's

917
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:59,270
because it didn't get raises or promotions. This is nothing to do with that.

918
01:14:01,770 --> 01:14:02,450
Say it again.

919
01:14:03,390 --> 01:14:09,930
I heard that this was about raises and promotions. Mr. Scarver will answer that when he comes back.

920
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:15,610
I don't know, I, listen, I'm just, this is what I see online, I hear, I read, okay?

921
01:14:22,270 --> 01:14:23,470
So, where are we at?

922
01:14:23,970 --> 01:14:24,110
Chris?

923
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:26,050
Yeah, raising promotions.

924
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:27,770
Let's talk about the length of the text.

925
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:35,270
If you read the reports, which, I got to be honest, I'm not sure a lot of people in here

926
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:35,870
read this all.

927
01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:39,810
Some of these texts were, is latest September,

928
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:45,490
the first complaint regarding the chief and

929
01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:57,690
There were some before, but I'm talking about this topic came in in November just a month or two later, two months later to the city manager.

930
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:07,330
Okay. We all knew about it. All right. You can speak during public comment, please. Thank you.

931
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:27,480
I was on the chief side. Okay. When this complaint first came in, I said this is just another, he said she said I'm tired of the nonsense. And there was consensus because I know kale asked all of us. And a letter was sent back to that officer rejecting the investigation.

932
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:33,080
said, basically saying you got to come forward with evidence, we're not going to go off a

933
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:33,520
hearsay.

934
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:43,110
Then in December the complaint came back with screenshots.

935
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:48,060
We were on break for the

936
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:54,760
winner. We came back in January and 5.0 voted to have a third party investigator.

937
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:57,740
It took about

938
01:15:57,740 --> 01:16:03,460
a month and a half to do the investigation. So to say like these texts are two years old and this

939
01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:10,020
that, some of them were as late a September and going through the process, this is where we are now.

940
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:16,680
So to say that they were being held on to for all these years, I just don't buy it.

941
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:25,250
I've heard conspiracies that, well, the investigators, you know, making it up. The investigators

942
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:29,910
a lawyer. They're an officer of the court. They're not going to jeopardize their career and an

943
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:34,470
ethics complaint with the Florida bar to lie about something.

944
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,460
And the chief admitted that he sent

945
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:43,720
the text. Undeniably, he sent them.

946
01:16:46,890 --> 01:16:52,170
I've heard that I've heard that these texts are taken out of

947
01:16:52,170 --> 01:17:00,330
context. So I'm going to ask the clerk to put some of these messages on the screen. Oh no, listen,

948
01:17:00,330 --> 01:17:01,490
And this is what it is.

949
01:17:01,830 --> 01:17:03,330
We're not going to put this under the rug.

950
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:06,250
So they are graphic.

951
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:08,390
And if anyone does not want to hear it or see it,

952
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:10,250
you can, I'll give you a moment to leave.

953
01:17:12,750 --> 01:17:13,030
OK?

954
01:17:13,470 --> 01:17:14,330
It's not loud, though.

955
01:17:14,470 --> 01:17:18,390
This is something that our chief of police sent undeniably.

956
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:21,310
And I'm not going to just sweep this under the rug.

957
01:17:22,290 --> 01:17:25,530
However, you could have rejected the name because I can't

958
01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:26,330
read it from here anyway.

959
01:17:26,690 --> 01:17:28,710
You could have rejected the name on the word.

960
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:30,490
This is all public record.

961
01:17:30,710 --> 01:17:30,930
OK.

962
01:17:30,930 --> 01:17:38,440
Okay, and I will apologize to the person sitting here who's going to have to see that

963
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:38,880
again.

964
01:17:39,020 --> 01:17:45,460
We'll live through it two years ago, and work out a six month agreement.

965
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:47,280
It's ridiculous.

966
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:47,760
Okay.

967
01:17:48,420 --> 01:17:48,920
You know what?

968
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:53,000
The six month was to allow somebody to leave the department.

969
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:57,920
This is no win-win no matter how you do it, but to leave the department attempting to

970
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,980
do something that should have been done for a long time, and then just plainly leave the

971
01:18:01,980 --> 01:18:06,780
department. But what are you talking about to do? What? What's he going to do? There's,

972
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:11,080
I don't know, it's time to clean a house. First of all, he can't just clean house. There's

973
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:16,140
union contracts. And that's why the union might get up and say there are ways to do some of these

974
01:18:16,140 --> 01:18:20,960
things because regardless of whether a union member I would assume there's a certain amount of

975
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:28,780
ethical conscience here. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I don't want,

976
01:18:28,780 --> 01:18:37,420
Our purview is not the individual officers. That's not in our authority. Do I believe some of them should be

977
01:18:37,420 --> 01:18:43,900
reprimanded and broke policy? There is policy in there that if they are aware of these things, they're supposed to report it.

978
01:18:44,020 --> 01:18:56,980
So it doesn't sit in festival, but that's not something that I have the authority or you or anyone else up here, other than Kale to deal with.

979
01:19:00,260 --> 01:19:03,940
So, you know, if the messages aren't going to play, I'll read them.

980
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:05,880
It's not on my screen.

981
01:19:11,790 --> 01:19:18,370
I would like them up because I'm not sure that the public, you know, the public sees things like,

982
01:19:18,650 --> 01:19:23,190
we got to support, do they know what they're supporting when they see these messages?

983
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:28,870
Well, maybe they don't, and you can read them and let us know what we're really talking about.

984
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:34,790
Well, let's see. It says, I've heard that these messages are taken out of contact.

985
01:19:35,650 --> 01:19:40,070
Contacts, which one? Well, like for instance, either you sucked someone's

986
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:48,810
DICK or you did not. LOL, that's pretty funny, but you know it's true. How do you take it out of context?

987
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:56,430
Is it true? Listen, who are you referring to? And who are you referring to? And who is it?

988
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:59,970
I said that I'm not going to disrespect anyone up here.

989
01:20:00,130 --> 01:20:00,870
But you're using this.

990
01:20:01,570 --> 01:20:10,930
Using it, this is what, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me, guys stop, stop, stop, hold on.

991
01:20:11,050 --> 01:20:20,120
Listen, this is real life, city business, not what you heard on Facebook or read somewhere, okay?

992
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,840
This is what our chief of police wrote in a text message.

993
01:20:24,380 --> 01:20:25,500
Maybe he was a friend.

994
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:29,660
But you know what? He's a city employee and he said a Mali was chief,

995
01:20:31,930 --> 01:20:34,130
okay? So that's one of them

996
01:20:35,550 --> 01:20:42,190
You're talking about using a male over a female to handcuff someone. You're calling another officer a pussy

997
01:20:42,190 --> 01:20:46,110
You're telling in another thread here that

998
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:49,570
So and so and so and so can go suck each other

999
01:20:51,210 --> 01:20:57,110
It's it's disgusting. I don't understand how we're even debating this if this was any of

1000
01:20:57,130 --> 01:21:03,790
person. If it was me, y'all, we'd be dragging me out of here right now, and you know it. And I'm

1001
01:21:03,790 --> 01:21:08,270
not mad at anyone here. There's people here that have supported me. There's people that I work

1002
01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:18,610
with, work for, okay? And I'll still respect all of you regardless, okay? So, but I want everyone to

1003
01:21:18,610 --> 01:21:25,390
know when they wear that pin or they come in here and wear blue, you want to support the police?

1004
01:21:25,390 --> 01:21:38,370
Listen to them. You, calling out here, you said to listen to our employees. You said it at multiple meetings. Listen to our employees.

1005
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:50,070
Oh, well, so we could pick and choose. So I am listening to our employees, okay?

1006
01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:55,690
I would like, and I'm not going to make the motion now.

1007
01:21:55,690 --> 01:21:59,550
But at some point I will, I don't, it's probably not going to go anywhere.

1008
01:22:00,210 --> 01:22:03,550
I was trying to get a compromise and a voice of reason here.

1009
01:22:04,810 --> 01:22:09,010
You know, if it was me and I knew I had all the votes, I would terminate with cause.

1010
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:09,850
It's easy.

1011
01:22:10,090 --> 01:22:11,830
It's right here in the investigation reports.

1012
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:19,110
There's also a criminal complaint that is with the FDLE and the state attorney.

1013
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:21,290
They have it.

1014
01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:22,310
They're looking at it.

1015
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:28,090
So you talk about the chief coming back, I have a feeling, a strong feeling, we're going

1016
01:22:28,090 --> 01:22:28,910
to be up here again.

1017
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:34,510
It's going to probably be worse, and we got another complaint today.

1018
01:22:35,410 --> 01:22:38,850
At some point you've got to do what's best, as you said, for the city.

1019
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:45,430
What's best for the city is for the chief to resign, and he's not going to do it.

1020
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:51,830
But I'd like to see him, his contract terminated, no cause, ten weeks.

1021
01:22:52,690 --> 01:22:54,050
Thank you for your service.

1022
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:57,350
I just don't see how the city moves forward.

1023
01:22:58,710 --> 01:23:04,570
When you've got a majority of the department and command staff that don't have confidence

1024
01:23:04,570 --> 01:23:05,110
in him,

1025
01:23:07,700 --> 01:23:12,800
others, I mean, the chief of police has to work with other departments.

1026
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:21,170
There's other females in this part in this city, and it's just, it's not the right thing.

1027
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:27,230
Look, I'm just speaking what I think is the right thing to do.

1028
01:23:28,170 --> 01:23:35,310
So again, I'm going to respect the wish of the commission and try to work in a professional manner.

1029
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:43,370
But I know that I can sleep at night, sticking up for the men and women that are sitting up here that put their life on the line for us.

1030
01:23:44,930 --> 01:23:50,270
And you know what, because they're professionals, they may not be able to clap and cheer and come up here like everyone else.

1031
01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:52,790
So I feel like I have to be a voice for them.

1032
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:59,650
And I'm sure I'll have more things to say or ask as the union and the investigator come up here.

1033
01:24:00,190 --> 01:24:02,210
I appreciate everyone listening to me.

1034
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:05,390
And again, it's, I'm just doing what I think is right.

1035
01:24:06,190 --> 01:24:11,890
And this is probably one of the hardest things in five plus years I've been up here that I've had to deal with.

1036
01:24:11,890 --> 01:24:14,050
I'm sure it's not easy for any folks.

1037
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:15,830
So that's it.

1038
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:30,610
For the record, I'm Rod Scurvin,

1039
01:24:30,790 --> 01:24:32,190
President of the Robert County PBA,

1040
01:24:32,530 --> 01:24:33,730
and I represent the men and women

1041
01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:35,470
of the Marguerite Police Department.

1042
01:24:37,050 --> 01:24:38,630
We have contracts with the officers,

1043
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:40,130
sergeants, and tenants.

1044
01:24:41,170 --> 01:24:43,670
You have recently made the position of Major,

1045
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:45,830
which are out of our purview,

1046
01:24:47,490 --> 01:24:50,570
but they are still members of the Robert County PBA.

1047
01:24:51,550 --> 01:24:54,130
It brings me no pleasure to be here

1048
01:24:54,130 --> 01:25:03,010
tonight to say anything disparaging about chief Galaska or anyone else in this room.

1049
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:11,130
In fact, every conversation that I've had with the chief has been pleasant and I felt

1050
01:25:11,130 --> 01:25:12,110
at the time productive.

1051
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:25,110
In fact, I was not even going to come here tonight and speak until I was made aware that it

1052
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:32,870
was being represented that this was a union ploy to get higher wages and better benefits.

1053
01:25:34,110 --> 01:25:37,970
And I can only assume, Mr. Mayor, that came from a conversation I had with you.

1054
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:38,490
Correct.

1055
01:25:39,250 --> 01:25:40,490
And I have no idea.

1056
01:25:41,410 --> 01:25:43,850
Let me stop you right there on refreshing memory.

1057
01:25:44,210 --> 01:25:46,310
No, let me continue, please, since it's my problem.

1058
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:52,830
No, no, just on that, because I want to make it clear, when I spoke to you on the phone, about the letter you had sent.

1059
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:58,330
I said about the no confidence vote and you said that it was more of the chief could

1060
01:25:58,330 --> 01:26:02,770
not get us what we want. And I said, what do you mean by that? He said he's not able

1061
01:26:02,770 --> 01:26:09,590
to negotiate our contracts to get these guys upper more money and be in the top one third

1062
01:26:10,170 --> 01:26:12,630
of the county. You said that they were in the bottom third.

1063
01:26:12,910 --> 01:26:13,150
They are.

1064
01:26:13,870 --> 01:26:16,010
Okay, so you admit the conversation we had.

1065
01:26:16,630 --> 01:26:20,530
Let's not, but that's not what I said and that's not the context in which that came about.

1066
01:26:20,530 --> 01:26:26,510
No. Mr. Scurvin, did you also say that the next Union negotiation, you were going to come in, offer something to the city.

1067
01:26:26,990 --> 01:26:29,170
If we didn't take it, you were going straight to Impass.

1068
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:33,150
I said, I said we're going to give you two meetings and we will go to Impass.

1069
01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:33,570
You said one.

1070
01:26:34,030 --> 01:26:34,930
No, not one.

1071
01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:35,330
I said one.

1072
01:26:35,550 --> 01:26:36,670
Mr. Scurvin, I'm not making this up.

1073
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:38,430
Well, apparently you are, sir.

1074
01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:41,870
I don't mind, Mr. Scurvin.

1075
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:42,990
We had a conversation.

1076
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:48,990
I agree we did have a conversation, but apparently you've misunderstood several facts in that conversation.

1077
01:26:48,990 --> 01:26:53,330
And would you like to let me complete my statement to the rest of the commission?

1078
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:54,650
Thank you, I appreciate that.

1079
01:26:57,370 --> 01:27:02,750
Like I said, I was not even going to come to this meeting, and so my conversation with the mayor

1080
01:27:02,750 --> 01:27:08,270
was misrepresented online, and I feel bad for the people that came here tonight thinking

1081
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:09,710
that this was a union ploy.

1082
01:27:10,490 --> 01:27:16,130
In fact, you should know the union did not even get involved with the voter no confidence

1083
01:27:16,130 --> 01:27:23,830
And until after the independent investigation was complete, the union did not call for

1084
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:30,570
that independent investigation, the commission did, and I believe, Mr. Mayor, you voted for that.

1085
01:27:30,930 --> 01:27:31,510
I had to.

1086
01:27:31,870 --> 01:27:32,830
You have to?

1087
01:27:33,430 --> 01:27:34,330
Go on by our turn.

1088
01:27:34,330 --> 01:27:35,530
You're saying you didn't want to?

1089
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:38,390
We had to vote to move the investigation.

1090
01:27:38,730 --> 01:27:42,470
I asked a question at the meeting, and he said we had to do it according to FDLE.

1091
01:27:42,850 --> 01:27:43,470
We had to do it.

1092
01:27:43,470 --> 01:27:52,190
I'm glad you did do it because the findings, as we're pointed out, were astonishingly bad in

1093
01:27:52,930 --> 01:27:54,910
reflections of the Chiefs Actions.

1094
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:02,980
One of the very few things that the Broward County PBA does not get involved with and

1095
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:08,600
provide attorneys for, for our members are those kind of complaints, hostile work environment,

1096
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:19,000
or anything of that nature, that falls under federal purview, not us. I had nothing to do with the investigation.

1097
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:33,740
It was after the investigation that the members called me unendingly, begging me, begging me to be a voice for them because they were in fear of retribution.

1098
01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:42,480
Women, multiple females of this department feel oppressed and afraid to come to work

1099
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:45,320
because of what might happen to them.

1100
01:28:46,020 --> 01:28:52,220
They cannot come to work and act like every other male in this department does.

1101
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:58,760
They have to work twice as hard and receive every

1102
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:06,240
chore that should be beneath them that

1103
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:13,220
gets given to them. If they're senior officers, senior lieutenants, senior sergeants, they

1104
01:29:13,220 --> 01:29:21,460
are given menial tasks that should be going to junior people. It is incredibly rare

1105
01:29:22,460 --> 01:29:32,320
for a command staff picked by the chief that's sitting to vote a no confidence against their

1106
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:39,980
boss that's unheard of and you should take note of that. Not only the officers of this

1107
01:29:39,980 --> 01:29:46,660
department, the sergeants of this department, the lieutenants of this department and the

1108
01:29:46,660 --> 01:29:55,240
majors of this department voted no confidence. You cannot ignore that and say it's a union

1109
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:59,480
Employee, there's something wrong in the city of Marguerite.

1110
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:28,260
This chief, I met with him when he was in the intern and getting the permanent job. I was more than willing to sit down and help him. We knew that the department was broken, we agreed the department was broken, and we knew it might at the end of the day be a losing cause for him to fix. It was a monumental task. Unfortunately, not only do I not think he fixed it, I think he made it works.

1111
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:37,900
on this is a month that we celebrate in America as women's history month.

1112
01:30:40,340 --> 01:30:47,500
I hope you realize that and what's happening to the women in 2024 of the Marguerite Police Department.

1113
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:48,800
What's happening?

1114
01:30:51,140 --> 01:30:52,860
Read the report, I guess you haven't read.

1115
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,320
Read the report, our chief just gave us, that doesn't mean nothing right.

1116
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:02,800
I applaud the fact that he came and apologized, not that part, but he's not going to fix it at this point.

1117
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:10,940
you will. I will help any way I can. How did you help? But I can't. You just said that

1118
01:31:10,940 --> 01:31:14,180
they've been screaming. They can't go to work. They're afraid to go to work. What have

1119
01:31:14,180 --> 01:31:21,900
you done when they were telling you this? They came to me after. This vote after this

1120
01:31:21,900 --> 01:31:22,520
investigation.

1121
01:31:24,940 --> 01:31:28,560
I don't know why you're looking at me with doubt. It's your own employees

1122
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:32,560
that are begging you for relief when you're done so

1123
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,700
you can ignore them. I hope the rest of the

1124
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:45,880
commissioners do not. I'm not here to bash the chief in any way shape or form chief. I'm not

1125
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:55,220
here to bash you. But this is not about Joe Galaska, the neighbor, the brother, the father, the

1126
01:31:55,220 --> 01:32:01,420
baseball coach. This is about Chief Galaska of the Margate Police Department.

1127
01:32:03,790 --> 01:32:04,030
And what

1128
01:32:04,030 --> 01:32:09,850
I just saw on the screen, I had not seen before. I had heard there were Texas that were

1129
01:32:09,850 --> 01:32:19,630
extremely offensive, demeaning, and that should require immediate action by you as elected

1130
01:32:19,630 --> 01:32:23,910
officials. But that was the first time I saw them.

1131
01:32:33,580 --> 01:32:35,060
Stop. If

1132
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:41,650
any of you, and I think it was mentioned,

1133
01:32:42,270 --> 01:32:51,130
if it was any officer that said that about the chief or any other supervisor, they wouldn't be

1134
01:32:51,130 --> 01:32:54,310
here. I'd be fighting for their job back. There was unquestionable.

1135
01:32:56,780 --> 01:32:58,060
And I don't think you can disagree

1136
01:32:58,060 --> 01:32:58,480
with that.

1137
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:05,260
And I don't know how you can look at any woman in this room with

1138
01:33:07,630 --> 01:33:08,550
a straight face and say

1139
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:14,030
that's not a problem. And, sir, a month, I find appalling.

1140
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,420
I'm sorry, sir. I just find

1141
01:33:18,420 --> 01:33:23,000
that appalling that that's a month and everything's okay after what was done and said.

1142
01:33:23,620 --> 01:33:23,620
And

1143
01:33:25,770 --> 01:33:38,610
I agree with the vice mayor that in six months, if we don't see any changes, we make more changes.

1144
01:33:38,610 --> 01:33:41,630
Okay. I applauded that. I applauded that.

1145
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:50,850
Okay, because after the last meeting we had here, I went home.

1146
01:33:52,550 --> 01:34:00,030
And my niece was looking at the printouts of what we saw somebody's.

1147
01:34:01,350 --> 01:34:04,650
And my niece asked me, what would you do if it was Sophia's name?

1148
01:34:04,750 --> 01:34:06,810
My daughter's name there. I said I'd go for the guy's throat.

1149
01:34:08,130 --> 01:34:15,810
and she said well are you gonna do this and I think that this is

1150
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:20,100
a middle

1151
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:27,080
ground there has to be there has to be something done this is unacceptable I

1152
01:34:30,170 --> 01:34:39,970
just don't think it deserves a firing but it deserves it deserves punishment

1153
01:34:39,970 --> 01:34:44,030
It deserves a whole lot of stuff, I

1154
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:47,800
just can't fire them on this.

1155
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:54,020
But believe me, I have a daughter, I have a niece, they will look, and this has been

1156
01:34:54,020 --> 01:34:57,060
one of the harder decisions I've had to make up here in seven years.

1157
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:02,340
Mr. Mayor, I appreciate your passion, you know, it's not passion.

1158
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:04,300
Well, it comes off as passion.

1159
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:04,920
It's fairness.

1160
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:05,840
What?

1161
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:06,680
I don't know about that.

1162
01:35:06,740 --> 01:35:09,160
I think everybody up there has a diversion of fairness.

1163
01:35:09,420 --> 01:35:09,600
Okay.

1164
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:15,420
You've seen very passionate about yours in defending the chief and that's fine.

1165
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,480
I don't have a problem with that.

1166
01:35:16,540 --> 01:35:21,440
I really don't, but in my view, what's fair to them?

1167
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:22,280
What's fair to her?

1168
01:35:24,530 --> 01:35:28,970
Look at her and tell me that what you're saying you think is fair to her for what's been

1169
01:35:28,970 --> 01:35:29,530
done to her.

1170
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:33,690
She's been humiliated in front of the whole department.

1171
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:35,170
She's a lieutenant.

1172
01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:39,980
How does she supervise some of these people now?

1173
01:35:39,980 --> 01:35:40,040
Now,

1174
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:46,310
how does anybody in that command staff have confidence in the chief that he's a good

1175
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:47,570
leader moving forward?

1176
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:56,690
How do the officers, the street level officers knowing how he's talking to sergeants about

1177
01:35:56,690 --> 01:36:01,210
a lieutenant have confidence in what the chief thinks about them?

1178
01:36:02,730 --> 01:36:03,470
It's broken.

1179
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,820
The promotional process that was brought up, that's a good old boy system.

1180
01:36:10,820 --> 01:36:26,010
That needs to go and those are the things I'm more than happy to sit down with any of you the chief, the city manager, anybody and to help fix.

1181
01:36:26,990 --> 01:36:35,650
I'm not here to cause a bigger problem. I'm here to help fix the problem that is existing within this police department.

1182
01:36:37,250 --> 01:36:40,650
It's infected the entire police department and

1183
01:36:42,660 --> 01:36:44,980
there's no easy fix and this chief has

1184
01:36:44,980 --> 01:36:49,900
had over two years to try to fix it and I don't think he has and I don't see how he will

1185
01:36:49,900 --> 01:36:50,600
move him forward.

1186
01:36:55,840 --> 01:37:03,240
Thank you. So then just so I am clear because I have broken this up into two

1187
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:11,160
different parts. There is nothing that would ever make me think that was put in print on any day

1188
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:19,380
of the week by anybody at any time would be okay. There are no words that I can use for how

1189
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:27,040
disgusting I find that to be. So I separated that clearly saying there will be a consequence

1190
01:37:27,660 --> 01:37:32,940
because if my son who did that after I washed his mouth out with soap, I'd smack him on the top

1191
01:37:32,940 --> 01:37:39,240
of the head so we never forgot it. That's my personal opinion. I looked at and tried to say

1192
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,700
There's a systemic problem with the department period.

1193
01:37:43,260 --> 01:37:46,140
He may have inherited it, it clearly didn't get fixed,

1194
01:37:46,460 --> 01:37:50,140
but I will tell you that I believe quite frankly,

1195
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,000
some of it's from the command staff straight down

1196
01:37:53,460 --> 01:37:56,240
because as I've said before and I'll say it now out loud,

1197
01:37:56,860 --> 01:38:00,580
the outs became the ins, the ins became the outs

1198
01:38:00,580 --> 01:38:03,700
from the other and everybody in the middle is sick and tired of it.

1199
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:06,220
And that's what I think I see here.

1200
01:38:06,220 --> 01:38:11,360
The people who really were never on either side and just came to work to do their job.

1201
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:18,460
And they're the ones to look up and say, this is a horrible place to work possibly because

1202
01:38:18,460 --> 01:38:19,640
I don't see an end to it.

1203
01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:26,400
So are you then saying to me that giving any sort of chance for six months that I don't

1204
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:27,640
know that anything can be done?

1205
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:34,200
But I also look at a 30-year career, but in some way, shape or form, I would rather see

1206
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:40,820
We end on a better note than what's happening tonight, your thoughts.

1207
01:38:44,850 --> 01:38:50,570
You know, and speaking with the people that, at least some of the people that were affected

1208
01:38:51,090 --> 01:38:58,890
by the comments, the actions, the culture of what's going on right now, I've spoken to them

1209
01:38:58,890 --> 01:39:00,390
about several options.

1210
01:39:01,510 --> 01:39:05,210
We're not here to humiliate anybody like they were humiliated.

1211
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:06,350
I don't want that.

1212
01:39:06,350 --> 01:39:11,110
But I don't think that's professional in any way and I'm here to be professional about

1213
01:39:11,110 --> 01:39:15,650
the problem we have and like I said I'm here to help you fix it if I can.

1214
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:18,190
And that's what I'm trying to find the way to do.

1215
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:29,570
I think if you assure us that you will take this up in six months, that's a possibility.

1216
01:39:30,710 --> 01:39:36,190
Obviously, I think the men and women that were affected would prefer he be terminated tonight.

1217
01:39:37,010 --> 01:39:40,050
That's their preference, and I think that that is justified.

1218
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:41,890
I think you have every right to do that.

1219
01:39:42,590 --> 01:39:45,230
And I think it's almost a stretch not to do that,

1220
01:39:45,250 --> 01:39:47,710
other than we're trying to save some face

1221
01:39:47,710 --> 01:39:49,330
for the city of Margate in this police chief

1222
01:39:49,330 --> 01:39:50,530
that's been here for 30 years.

1223
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:54,600
But I will say this,

1224
01:39:58,940 --> 01:40:00,540
in no way shape or form,

1225
01:40:00,860 --> 01:40:02,340
do I think he is going to change the culture

1226
01:40:02,340 --> 01:40:03,720
of this police department in six months.

1227
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:07,280
And if we were to meet again in six months,

1228
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:09,240
I will be here again.

1229
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,460
And it will be a stronger conversation.

1230
01:40:13,860 --> 01:40:16,080
I won't be here to fix it at that point.

1231
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,100
I'm going to tell you, I'll go on record saying,

1232
01:40:19,700 --> 01:40:23,320
if nothing changes, I won't vote to retain.

1233
01:40:24,440 --> 01:40:24,840
I agree.

1234
01:40:26,180 --> 01:40:26,760
I have a comment.

1235
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:27,880
Go for it.

1236
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:33,180
What do you consider change?

1237
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,240
Because we had a third party investigator,

1238
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,420
investigator, who's here?

1239
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:41,500
So, let me interrupt you before you go in on that,

1240
01:40:41,780 --> 01:40:45,020
because this is important to your topic.

1241
01:40:45,540 --> 01:40:46,760
Two things that I didn't mention.

1242
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,600
You say there was mention that there is gonna be an exodus.

1243
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:52,240
There is gonna be an exodus.

1244
01:40:52,620 --> 01:40:54,020
And I can tell you firsthand why,

1245
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:58,180
because people are coming to me asking for me to help them exit.

1246
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,400
And I'm gonna do that, because they shouldn't be working

1247
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,640
in this environment when other departments, they can flourish.

1248
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:05,520
That's one.

1249
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:16,280
No. Two. I by no means mean this as a threat, but you have more complaints coming. There's more text messages coming and there's more embarrassment coming to the city.

1250
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:17,780
And you're okay with that.

1251
01:41:18,140 --> 01:41:22,800
I'm not okay with what you're doing to try to fix this problem.

1252
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:29,000
How do I fix text that were already censored? How do I fix that? I can't retract somebody else's text.

1253
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,340
Okay, so your check, can we check everybody's phone, everyone in the department?

1254
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:33,600
I don't know what you're asking.

1255
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:35,880
There will be official complaints filed.

1256
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,440
You'll get the information, you'll have to do more investigations.

1257
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:46,000
And when this investigator, if you give her the green light to continue on, the can of

1258
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,120
worms has been open, sir.

1259
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:47,640
Okay.

1260
01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:49,780
It's been open for a long time, Rod.

1261
01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:50,520
Nobody's done anything.

1262
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:51,460
That's the problem.

1263
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,300
Well, I think we're here tonight to do something.

1264
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:54,640
Right.

1265
01:41:54,700 --> 01:41:56,000
How long have you been representing this union?

1266
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:57,780
A little over two years.

1267
01:41:58,040 --> 01:41:58,480
Two years.

1268
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:02,840
It was a disaster when we got it it was a total disaster yes a total disaster

1269
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:06,060
You even told me on the phone you love the chief think is a great guy

1270
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,400
What have you guys done to try to fix this? I know us when I found out about it

1271
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:14,660
I got a list of stuff here that as policy makers we could try to fix

1272
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,780
but as far as

1273
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:22,060
If he stays more text are gonna start coming this isn't gonna end no one's gonna win

1274
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:27,060
It's already no one's winning. Wait. It's not about winning. So Rod what is it about then?

1275
01:42:27,060 --> 01:42:31,240
So when you come for the union negotiation, you guys get your money, the next sheet comes

1276
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:32,220
in, everything's good.

1277
01:42:33,500 --> 01:42:34,180
Is that the win?

1278
01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:35,380
That's not the win.

1279
01:42:38,280 --> 01:42:43,020
You're combining two different topics, and let me talk about two different topics.

1280
01:42:43,460 --> 01:42:44,480
We spoke on the phone.

1281
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,220
You told me, out of your mouth, he doesn't negotiate for us.

1282
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,060
I said, do chiefs negotiate.

1283
01:42:50,220 --> 01:42:51,020
You said they always do.

1284
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:52,060
They absolutely.

1285
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,940
We have chiefs negotiate in other cities all the time, let's sit at the table.

1286
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:56,480
But he doesn't.

1287
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,940
And that's the problem. That was one of the problems you told me.

1288
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:11,500
I said he couldn't convince the commission, the electeds, to get better benefits to keep and attract new people to the city of Marguerite.

1289
01:43:11,620 --> 01:43:12,680
Correct, now we agree.

1290
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,580
I didn't say that that's why this investigation took place.

1291
01:43:16,820 --> 01:43:18,080
You told me that was part of it.

1292
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:19,940
No, absolutely not, sir.

1293
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,780
May you rest in peace, the officer who passed away, Monday morning.

1294
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:25,040
I was told.

1295
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:28,940
Chief Galaska never even met the family.

1296
01:43:29,420 --> 01:43:31,420
Chief Galaska wasn't going to the briefings.

1297
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:33,360
There's gonna be, I didn't.

1298
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,160
I didn't tell you that.

1299
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:35,100
I'm not saying you.

1300
01:43:35,180 --> 01:43:36,240
I don't know what you're talking about.

1301
01:43:36,240 --> 01:43:36,660
I'm not saying you, but I'm saying.

1302
01:43:36,940 --> 01:43:38,760
I'm just gonna be a no-confidence vote.

1303
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:40,240
I was told that Monday morning,

1304
01:43:40,900 --> 01:43:42,060
then come to find out,

1305
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:43,200
had the stuff that I was told

1306
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:44,680
wasn't even true about the chief.

1307
01:43:45,340 --> 01:43:46,580
Chief did go meet the family.

1308
01:43:47,020 --> 01:43:49,840
So now, your union people here are being told,

1309
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:51,060
chiefs checked out.

1310
01:43:51,380 --> 01:43:52,480
He hasn't been to the family.

1311
01:43:52,620 --> 01:43:53,240
He hasn't done this.

1312
01:43:53,260 --> 01:43:55,580
I am not, I wasn't told that.

1313
01:43:55,580 --> 01:43:57,980
I don't know what you're talking about.

1314
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:58,660
You went after him.

1315
01:43:59,020 --> 01:44:00,260
You went after him when he was vulnerable,

1316
01:44:00,260 --> 01:44:01,600
and you're going to continue doing it.

1317
01:44:01,620 --> 01:44:02,240
You just said it.

1318
01:44:02,620 --> 01:44:03,280
I just said what?

1319
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,400
What you just said made no sense to me

1320
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,200
because I didn't have any of those conversations.

1321
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:09,940
So, of no confidence vote, doesn't have to go before you?

1322
01:44:10,860 --> 01:44:11,260
Absolutely.

1323
01:44:12,180 --> 01:44:12,440
Okay.

1324
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,800
I was told Monday there was going to be no confidence vote.

1325
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:15,680
Okay, there was.

1326
01:44:16,460 --> 01:44:18,840
I think you guys just run it, correct?

1327
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:19,680
Yes, sir.

1328
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:20,300
That's it.

1329
01:44:20,900 --> 01:44:23,580
We just, we provide the action.

1330
01:44:23,580 --> 01:44:30,680
action. Yes sir. That's it. Okay. It's not as speaking as it works out. Okay. Is there any other

1331
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:35,920
questions for me? I'm sorry for interrupting you. No, it's okay. I was just asking what the change is.

1332
01:44:35,980 --> 01:44:42,800
I hear it's not going to change. The outs become the Indians out. You need someone from the outside at

1333
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:50,660
this point. Okay. But going back to the change because everyone's like all conspiracy conspiracy. So in

1334
01:44:50,660 --> 01:44:56,120
six months, we have more complaints and more proven text messages and more this and more

1335
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:56,320
that.

1336
01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:59,860
We're going to dismiss that too and say, well, you know, it's all corrupt, it was just

1337
01:44:59,860 --> 01:44:59,980
a

1338
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,700
Another conspiracy, you know, you never heard me say, I'm just saying public people, things, comments, I read everything, I don't comment, but I read a lot. Okay.

1339
01:45:11,020 --> 01:45:14,740
For the record, I didn't read anybody's response on anybody's Facebook page.

1340
01:45:15,020 --> 01:45:21,740
I read everything. I was not to do that. I read everything. I decided this was for me to decide what I was going to do.

1341
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:25,820
I just I don't know what the change would be.

1342
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:32,000
The change would be that people start to see an improvement in the morale and the desire

1343
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:37,540
to come to work, and if that doesn't exist, how's that going to exist if more stuff's

1344
01:45:37,540 --> 01:45:37,760
coming?

1345
01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:38,820
You have that?

1346
01:45:38,820 --> 01:45:39,180
I don't care.

1347
01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:39,540
I don't care.

1348
01:45:39,940 --> 01:45:41,080
I'm working on this stuff.

1349
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:41,540
I've got that.

1350
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:42,960
SDLE and state attorney.

1351
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:44,540
Let me interrupt you.

1352
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:45,540
You can't stop it.

1353
01:45:45,820 --> 01:45:45,900
You can't stop it.

1354
01:45:46,120 --> 01:45:46,520
You can't stop it.

1355
01:45:46,540 --> 01:45:46,960
You can't stop it.

1356
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:47,020
You can't stop it.

1357
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:48,800
That report, first of all, is under investigation.

1358
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:50,800
And it's an opinion report.

1359
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,440
There's nothing about the last concern.

1360
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:52,820
Fairness.

1361
01:45:52,820 --> 01:45:58,600
And it's basically questioning the report that was done two years ago.

1362
01:45:59,020 --> 01:46:02,300
So you're waving it like it's like all the information is here.

1363
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:02,880
It's not there.

1364
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,920
I can't go into the information that's on it.

1365
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:10,600
If you actually read the whole thing and click all the links, it's the methods that they

1366
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:12,800
were done and the tactics that were used.

1367
01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:22,800
So listen, I'm going to make a, because I want it on the record where I stand, I want to

1368
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,160
and if I can get a second so we can vote on it.

1369
01:46:25,660 --> 01:46:25,880
Second.

1370
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,240
All right, now we're going to the discussion.

1371
01:46:29,420 --> 01:46:30,940
Joanna, I just want to say a couple things to you.

1372
01:46:31,580 --> 01:46:33,860
You sat there and you praised and read your five pages

1373
01:46:33,860 --> 01:46:34,280
as normal.

1374
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,720
You handed out your 50 sheets of copy, write it,

1375
01:46:37,820 --> 01:46:38,740
highlight it, things.

1376
01:46:40,780 --> 01:46:43,420
You talked about on and off duty, correct?

1377
01:46:44,300 --> 01:46:45,420
The more out, they did the ethics.

1378
01:46:45,620 --> 01:46:47,960
They should be a former chief.

1379
01:46:51,300 --> 01:46:52,020
Do you know the report?

1380
01:46:52,580 --> 01:46:53,380
That was done with the former chief.

1381
01:46:53,380 --> 01:47:01,800
you familiar with it? You don't know? I did not read it. I did not read it. So you made a decision

1382
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:07,980
on a chief without even looking into the investigation without even going by any information. I'm not going

1383
01:47:07,980 --> 01:47:16,380
to read a bunch of things that contain explicit, you read these? You read these? You have no problem

1384
01:47:16,380 --> 01:47:21,840
reading these? They're not the same kind of report. What a penis in the hand is a different than a

1385
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,220
then a text

1386
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:46,020
and for you and for you to come after me for what I say guys there

1387
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:50,000
was a report there was an investigation done by our former chief pages and

1388
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,940
pages of pictures nothing to compare to this the reason what I'm saying is

1389
01:47:53,940 --> 01:47:59,560
her little spiel she did she kept she was the only one to vote to keep the

1390
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:08,560
former chief the only one you're the only one however some text messages said

1391
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:14,180
whether they're true or not you're gonna crucify the chief after being here for

1392
01:48:14,180 --> 01:48:20,300
30 plus years never said though Tommy I mean so it's not true then it doesn't

1393
01:48:20,300 --> 01:48:22,580
matter if it's true or not, but it doesn't matter if it's true or not.

1394
01:48:22,700 --> 01:48:23,320
I think that stuff.

1395
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:24,180
You're right.

1396
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,060
You have to separate this person.

1397
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:28,480
You're going to get a raise it.

1398
01:48:28,540 --> 01:48:29,500
Put all that aside.

1399
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:30,980
Look at the text.

1400
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:35,500
So in other words, if somebody texts something and it's not true, you need a basic decision

1401
01:48:35,500 --> 01:48:35,980
on that.

1402
01:48:36,620 --> 01:48:38,260
But Chief said those words.

1403
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:39,120
He said it.

1404
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:40,120
We're not saying the words.

1405
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:41,440
The text.

1406
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,360
It doesn't matter if he shouldn't be talking about employees, a female like that.

1407
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:50,280
Whether it's true or not, I'm not here to decide if what was meant to be true.

1408
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:52,520
mentioned was actually true or not.

1409
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,660
The fact is that's something that the chief of police said,

1410
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:58,480
and you know that if one of us up here said it,

1411
01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:00,600
I'm not saying anything I want to feel.

1412
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,060
If I have an opinion, I'll say it.

1413
01:49:02,060 --> 01:49:02,720
Everybody knows that.

1414
01:49:03,460 --> 01:49:04,440
I have no problem with that.

1415
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:05,500
Why don't you do the right thing?

1416
01:49:06,540 --> 01:49:07,620
We'll do the right thing.

1417
01:49:08,380 --> 01:49:10,520
Consider to be the right thing.

1418
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:11,480
We're full of it.

1419
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:15,340
That's why there's no compromise there.

1420
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,140
I heard two of you talk about being fair and doing compromise.

1421
01:49:18,140 --> 01:49:21,500
I think that, so I think that he should go.

1422
01:49:21,900 --> 01:49:23,180
So it's all right.

1423
01:49:23,420 --> 01:49:23,900
I hold on.

1424
01:49:24,220 --> 01:49:25,040
I had the floor.

1425
01:49:25,220 --> 01:49:26,020
I was still speaking.

1426
01:49:26,140 --> 01:49:26,360
Hold on.

1427
01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:26,840
One second.

1428
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:29,200
Everyone of us agrees here.

1429
01:49:29,380 --> 01:49:30,320
Our system is broken.

1430
01:49:30,700 --> 01:49:30,940
Yes.

1431
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:31,740
Everyone agrees.

1432
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:35,740
There's a hostile work environment that carried over from the last thing.

1433
01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:38,440
And I talked to the city manager.

1434
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:40,960
We have to address some of these problems as a commission.

1435
01:49:42,020 --> 01:49:42,800
I think the,

1436
01:49:44,100 --> 01:49:46,480
the testing needs to be revamped.

1437
01:49:46,480 --> 01:49:48,320
I don't agree with it.

1438
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:52,220
I think the anti-fragrization has to come into play.

1439
01:49:52,780 --> 01:49:56,640
We have probably nine 10 Navy couples that are police officers.

1440
01:49:57,500 --> 01:49:59,540
That could cause a potential problem.

1441
01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:03,040
So there's certain things we need to do as a commission.

1442
01:50:03,780 --> 01:50:07,440
I know Commissioner Serio has his motion, it was seconded.

1443
01:50:10,020 --> 01:50:13,760
The public is going to come up, but I just don't want you guys are going to be able to speak one time.

1444
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:15,840
So if we come back to it and there's another thing.

1445
01:50:16,180 --> 01:50:17,040
I don't want to hear it again.

1446
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,080
What do you want to do?

1447
01:50:21,980 --> 01:50:23,560
Technically, they're allowed to come up and speak.

1448
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,100
I don't want to hold any way from not speaking.

1449
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:26,280
But I don't want to be here too.

1450
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:28,000
I don't mind being here, trust me.

1451
01:50:29,060 --> 01:50:29,460
What's that?

1452
01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:33,020
It can be amended if that's not what you want.

1453
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:36,440
I just give one comment regarding the motion.

1454
01:50:38,540 --> 01:50:40,980
In 20, I just want to, this relates to the motion.

1455
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:42,760
In 2023, the Florida legislature,

1456
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:54,660
the legislature, you know, passed a new statute which provides the chief of police with an opportunity to speak following receipt of a notice of his termination.

1457
01:50:55,120 --> 01:51:11,240
So if there is any motion to terminate, that motion needs to recognize the fact that there's a statute in here and that he needs to be given to your next meeting to come back with the ability to speak in response.

1458
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:18,900
that doesn't mean that you can't vote tonight and make his termination effective at 1159 in the date of your next meeting.

1459
01:51:19,420 --> 01:51:25,000
But you just need to provide him with that opportunity to come back before the termination is effective.

1460
01:51:25,340 --> 01:51:25,920
It's a hearing.

1461
01:51:26,420 --> 01:51:27,000
It's not a hearing.

1462
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:28,020
No, it's not a hearing.

1463
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:36,320
I guess probably the easiest way to do this is if somebody wants to amend it, amend it now, so we can be on a level playing ground.

1464
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:43,960
So my recommendation would be, with respect to the motion made by Commissioner

1465
01:51:43,960 --> 01:51:51,080
Osario, that he included a provision that the termination would be effective as of 11.59 p.m.

1466
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:57,060
On April 3, which is the date of your next meeting, and that during this period of time that

1467
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:59,700
the chief would be on leave with pay.

1468
01:51:59,700 --> 01:51:59,760
Okay.

1469
01:52:02,200 --> 01:52:03,220
That's my motion.

1470
01:52:07,930 --> 01:52:08,250
You left.

1471
01:52:08,890 --> 01:52:09,650
I will.

1472
01:52:10,030 --> 01:52:10,330
I will.

1473
01:52:10,330 --> 01:52:10,390
Okay.

1474
01:52:11,170 --> 01:52:11,650
All right.

1475
01:52:12,090 --> 01:52:12,810
Thank you.

1476
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:15,850
Are you on?

1477
01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:16,510
Yeah.

1478
01:52:16,730 --> 01:52:17,410
I am on.

1479
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:21,290
Because this has nothing to do with the Sean Vestigation.

1480
01:52:21,870 --> 01:52:23,130
So you mudding the waters.

1481
01:52:23,130 --> 01:52:24,210
It doesn't have a lot to do with it.

1482
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:25,670
No, it doesn't.

1483
01:52:25,690 --> 01:52:26,210
No, it doesn't.

1484
01:52:26,610 --> 01:52:28,410
We all had carried over.

1485
01:52:28,750 --> 01:52:33,230
By bringing up that has nothing to do with my investigation on this.

1486
01:52:33,230 --> 01:52:38,350
How can you sit up here, and condone this kind of behavior?

1487
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:41,930
Commissioner, how can you listen to these women,

1488
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:46,650
pouring their hearts out, telling you what was wrong,

1489
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:49,550
and you're going to recommend six months?

1490
01:52:50,090 --> 01:52:53,090
It's not going to be fixed, it's damaged, it's broken.

1491
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:54,830
This has been on the news.

1492
01:52:55,170 --> 01:52:57,130
The city's reputation is stained.

1493
01:52:58,550 --> 01:53:00,770
I don't condone what he said.

1494
01:53:00,890 --> 01:53:02,070
I would never condone.

1495
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:05,230
and Commissioner, he would go after their throats,

1496
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:08,350
but yet suspend for one month.

1497
01:53:09,070 --> 01:53:12,330
How can you go after somebody's throats

1498
01:53:12,330 --> 01:53:13,850
if it happened to your child

1499
01:53:13,850 --> 01:53:17,390
and not recommend anything more severe?

1500
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:22,930
Because I had this step back and give a deeper thought.

1501
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:26,600
You know, the chief had the opportunity,

1502
01:53:27,010 --> 01:53:28,280
and I wasn't gonna say this,

1503
01:53:28,540 --> 01:53:30,280
but the chief had the opportunity

1504
01:53:30,280 --> 01:53:35,900
to come up to every single one of us and apologize and say something to the

1505
01:53:35,900 --> 01:53:38,380
effect of I am so sorry.

1506
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:43,340
Yes did he initiate it or did you?

1507
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:49,620
I did. I initiated it.

1508
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:56,420
Okay. He should have come up to each one of us individually and apologize and

1509
01:53:56,420 --> 01:54:02,360
said I am so sorry for what happens. I don't know what happens. I I regret

1510
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,600
We're doing it, but I love my job.

1511
01:54:06,020 --> 01:54:07,380
I love the city of Morrigate.

1512
01:54:07,500 --> 01:54:09,100
I will fight to keep my job.

1513
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,040
What can I do to make this right?

1514
01:54:11,480 --> 01:54:13,320
That never happened actually.

1515
01:54:13,340 --> 01:54:17,060
How do you describe up to every female that he said it to

1516
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:18,600
before he came up to us?

1517
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,700
And I told him yesterday, when I asked the question

1518
01:54:22,700 --> 01:54:25,860
which surprised me the answer, did you apologize?

1519
01:54:26,620 --> 01:54:28,520
And the answer was I'm gonna do it tonight,

1520
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,220
and I said, why now?

1521
01:54:30,220 --> 01:54:35,900
I'm not before because I know what I would have done it. I know that if this would be me

1522
01:54:35,900 --> 01:54:41,420
I would have stepped back and said, you know what? The system's broken. I inherited something broken

1523
01:54:41,420 --> 01:54:45,980
I'm for the good of the city and the people who work for it. I

1524
01:54:45,980 --> 01:54:52,740
Would be walking away and let somebody heal it. That would be me. That's always been me. That's I can't make somebody

1525
01:54:52,740 --> 01:54:55,620
that. But that's what I would have done.

1526
01:54:58,220 --> 01:55:02,900
How do you, how do you, how do you accept, and I'm

1527
01:55:02,900 --> 01:55:08,200
going to say it? I've been nice. I've used the word untruthfulness, but now I'm going to say it.

1528
01:55:08,380 --> 01:55:17,140
How do you accept lying? How do you accept lying from the chief of police? It has the three lies in the

1529
01:55:17,140 --> 01:55:23,020
report? Were you not, did you not listen to what I, I, I absolutely listened to

1530
01:55:23,020 --> 01:55:28,480
everything? Well, how do you, how do you, how do you accept that from the

1531
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:33,940
chief of police? How do you expect, how do you expect him to have respect from the

1532
01:55:33,940 --> 01:55:39,800
rest of the unit? When you know the man does not tell the truth,

1533
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:44,280
not severe.

1534
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:47,880
I think

1535
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:55,200
these people have trust in him. I'm trying to make the punishment fit the crime. I think the

1536
01:55:55,200 --> 01:56:00,980
punishment does fit the crime, then I will tell you that I have never met a man who in a locker room

1537
01:56:00,980 --> 01:56:09,040
would mix disgusting remarks about females. The stupidity here is about judgment. The judgment sucks.

1538
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:14,540
I'm going to go further. Judgment should never be questioned. That's true. And yes,

1539
01:56:14,540 --> 01:56:19,660
Yes, it's a term that I think came up in the 2016 locker room talk, okay?

1540
01:56:19,940 --> 01:56:21,440
Oh, I don't, I don't forgive it.

1541
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:23,900
I don't forgive it.

1542
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:27,440
I grew up, I've done it, okay?

1543
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,960
I work on construction, the mayor does.

1544
01:56:30,380 --> 01:56:31,300
I'm sure we all do it.

1545
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:32,260
Women don't do it.

1546
01:56:32,280 --> 01:56:33,340
But let me tell you something though.

1547
01:56:33,460 --> 01:56:35,000
And I'm not saying it's necessarily okay.

1548
01:56:35,500 --> 01:56:36,540
But there's a difference.

1549
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:43,940
You don't talk about a city employee to another city employee about city business that way.

1550
01:56:43,940 --> 01:56:47,800
And I'm not saying that that type of talk is acceptable.

1551
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:50,860
I would not talk in front of my daughter like that.

1552
01:56:50,860 --> 01:56:56,140
I've done it, you've all, and if any guy in here says they have never done it, they're

1553
01:56:56,140 --> 01:56:56,840
definitely lying.

1554
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:05,460
But to do it about an employee to another employee is crossing a line, it's poor judgment.

1555
01:57:06,620 --> 01:57:11,720
The chief of police and the fire chief, they make decisions of life and death.

1556
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:21,100
If you can't question their judgment, it cannot be questioned and 100% about the chief

1557
01:57:21,100 --> 01:57:21,660
coming to me.

1558
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,580
I was mentioned in the last meeting while I blasted the chief.

1559
01:57:24,120 --> 01:57:24,520
Let me tell you something.

1560
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:26,920
I didn't blast the chief for months.

1561
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:31,140
When the first complaint came in, I never heard a single word.

1562
01:57:31,940 --> 01:57:32,780
It was rejected.

1563
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,200
I was sticking up for him.

1564
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:39,600
They want to come back again with the text messages, but before we started the investigation,

1565
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:43,880
I mean, if I was in his shoes, I would have came right away to my boss and said, listen,

1566
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:49,080
I'm so sorry, or it's not true, or whatever the case may be.

1567
01:57:49,980 --> 01:57:56,240
And you know what, it really bothers me because he is a friend, or whatever, probably hard

1568
01:57:56,240 --> 01:57:58,080
to like someone that wants your job.

1569
01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:03,300
But I considered him a friend, I figured he could come and talk to me, and the same thing

1570
01:58:03,300 --> 01:58:04,660
with the previous lease chief.

1571
01:58:04,660 --> 01:58:10,700
If it was similar, the behavior and what, I'm not comparing the two behaviors as far as the acts,

1572
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:16,460
but the, after the fact, the other chief didn't come to me either, and it just bothered me.

1573
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:20,800
It really bothered me that you wouldn't come and try to explain your case.

1574
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,380
Oh, I don't think there was anything to explain the eight and a half by eleven.

1575
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:25,400
Yeah, all by themselves.

1576
01:58:25,540 --> 01:58:29,500
But again, I saw that it was nothing to explain.

1577
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:30,640
It was explicit.

1578
01:58:31,580 --> 01:58:40,180
right. But I don't know why our chief didn't do that as well. Again I'm looking

1579
01:58:40,180 --> 01:58:45,460
out for the best interest of the city. There's 60,000 residents there's

1580
01:58:45,460 --> 01:58:50,480
about 25 people here. Most of them half of them disagree with me all the

1581
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:55,900
time. The other half okay so they've seen it baseball yada yada yada I'm sure

1582
01:58:55,900 --> 01:59:00,260
they never read the reports but I've talked to a lot of people out in the

1583
01:59:00,260 --> 01:59:01,980
community that are disgusted by it.

1584
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:06,140
And I just don't see how this is going to work.

1585
01:59:06,260 --> 01:59:07,720
We're going to be back here in six months again.

1586
01:59:10,260 --> 01:59:14,220
So, you know, I broke his own department's policies.

1587
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:18,280
Robber's rules, emotions, calm down.

1588
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:19,060
They've got it.

1589
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:22,290
All right, if you guys don't mind, we're going to go to public.

1590
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:22,910
Yeah, no, that's fine.

1591
01:59:23,210 --> 01:59:23,930
Thank you for.

1592
01:59:24,430 --> 01:59:24,790
Good.

1593
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:26,430
Yes, Robber's rules.

1594
01:59:26,570 --> 01:59:27,390
The motion's been made.

1595
01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:27,890
It's been said.

1596
01:59:27,890 --> 01:59:28,650
I can say your name, please.

1597
01:59:28,930 --> 01:59:29,390
The public speak.

1598
01:59:29,390 --> 01:59:32,770
Robert, Richard Zucchini and Lakewood Circle.

1599
01:59:33,590 --> 01:59:36,570
Okay, first off, commissioners are Serio and Simone.

1600
01:59:37,230 --> 01:59:39,510
I don't know how you can make a moral equivalent

1601
01:59:39,940 --> 01:59:44,490
between bad unfortunate texts and sanctioned org orgies

1602
01:59:44,490 --> 01:59:47,030
from the previous administration and culture.

1603
01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:49,970
It's not even close while

1604
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,060
poor texts

1605
01:59:54,430 --> 01:59:57,100
do not rise to the level of termination.

1606
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,800
and where was the union leader

1607
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,720
The chief before, under the old chief, when we really had a culture of problems, where was

1608
02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:06,860
that union leadership?

1609
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:15,240
That's when we needed you. Facts don't lie. The chief has appointed

1610
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:22,700
a higher percentage of females. Hostile environment? My God, if it was any less hostile, I'd be afraid

1611
02:00:22,700 --> 02:00:29,080
to hear about it. There was a ridiculous culture throughout the force and that has to be corrected.

1612
02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:35,440
It was a cancer running through the force. It's a big job. It's a difficult job and he needs help to get it done

1613
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:39,980
Look, this entire thing was handled, mishandled from the very beginning

1614
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:45,740
City manager, I'm a big fan. I'm a supporter. I really like you. I think you do a great job

1615
02:00:45,740 --> 02:00:54,120
But on this issue this should have been a meeting in your office with all of the people before this came out in the press

1616
02:00:54,120 --> 02:01:03,080
before this came and blew up and you should have said to the female lieutenant, I am going to pay particular attention to your career

1617
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:13,580
and I will make sure that you get career advancements but based on performance, job performance, not based on relationships.

1618
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:20,000
So, you know, I have so much more to say, I could never do it in three minutes, but this

1619
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:20,660
is ridiculous.

1620
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:24,720
This is not a moral equivalent to what happened with the last chief.

1621
02:01:25,660 --> 02:01:31,200
And for all of a sudden to act, so, oh my God, he said something that was untoward in the

1622
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:31,780
text message.

1623
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:34,340
But his actions were very, very different.

1624
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,520
He deserves a chance to make it right.

1625
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,420
He deserves to get guidance to make it right.

1626
02:01:51,700 --> 02:01:55,640
Grant O'Donnell, I live in Colody Springs, Boulevard.

1627
02:01:56,380 --> 02:02:01,340
So my whole thing about this, I think the city manager also has some blame in this.

1628
02:02:02,060 --> 02:02:07,620
He should have been with the chief and helping the chief find a better way and better solutions

1629
02:02:07,620 --> 02:02:10,460
when he knew there was already a problem from the last chief.

1630
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:12,020
And that wasn't done.

1631
02:02:12,780 --> 02:02:18,700
The chief and him need to work together and sit down every month or every week, whatever

1632
02:02:18,700 --> 02:02:23,400
it takes and listen to what's going on into the department. These police officers are

1633
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:31,440
therefore our protection. We need these guys. I love our police and I cannot fathom the fact

1634
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:36,760
that one police officer is throwing another police officer under the bus. That is absolutely

1635
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:44,100
horrible. It should never ever come to that. These guys have to have each other's backs every single day.

1636
02:02:44,100 --> 02:02:54,720
Now, I have to wonder, is there a police officer that works for the city of Margate that might pull me over and he doesn't like something that I said, so he's gonna do something that's wrong.

1637
02:02:55,540 --> 02:02:59,560
Because he doesn't like me, that's crazy that I have to think that.

1638
02:03:00,180 --> 02:03:06,440
If he's willing to do this to the police chief, what's he willing to do to the neighborhood and to the people that are out there?

1639
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:13,900
And not only should the chief be held accountable, what about the other police officer that did this with the text messages?

1640
02:03:13,900 --> 02:03:19,660
held on to him, and then said, if you don't give my girlfriend a promotion, I'm going

1641
02:03:19,660 --> 02:03:23,980
to release these text messages. That's absolutely absurd.

1642
02:03:26,040 --> 02:03:33,600
I just cannot believe that, and I do think that some of this does fall on City Manager.

1643
02:03:33,860 --> 02:03:38,380
He has to work with the police chief to get things straightened out.

1644
02:03:38,540 --> 02:03:43,260
And going forward, I really hope that maybe somebody from the outside needs to sit in

1645
02:03:43,260 --> 02:03:49,060
when they do hiring, maybe somebody else from the outside needs to sit in on some of the

1646
02:03:49,060 --> 02:03:53,880
department things that are going on, so that this doesn't ever happen again.

1647
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:58,960
And the women, especially the women, listen, if this happened to my girlfriend, my wife,

1648
02:03:59,340 --> 02:04:03,120
I would be outrageously crazy going after him.

1649
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:04,460
I'll tell you right now, I would.

1650
02:04:05,320 --> 02:04:10,780
The guy is 30 years trying to help our city, and I don't want to see him lose his job.

1651
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:11,980
I think that's crazy.

1652
02:04:12,820 --> 02:04:20,340
I think what you suggested with, you know, giving him a suspension, hurt him in his pocket.

1653
02:04:20,820 --> 02:04:24,920
No pay for, you know, if I didn't get paid, a paycheck for a month, that would hurt me.

1654
02:04:25,120 --> 02:04:26,840
And I'm sure he's going to feel it.

1655
02:04:27,420 --> 02:04:33,100
And I hope going forward that he is open to communicating with the female officers and he

1656
02:04:33,100 --> 02:04:35,700
should go to every single one of them and apologize for what he did.

1657
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:40,540
That I do believe, not to the commissioners, to the female police officers.

1658
02:04:40,540 --> 02:04:42,160
That's who he owes an apology to.

1659
02:04:42,620 --> 02:04:48,620
Not to you guys, you know, and the city manager has to get this on the control.

1660
02:04:49,120 --> 02:04:53,780
It does fall in under him because he does work for the city manager.

1661
02:04:54,460 --> 02:04:55,900
That's all I got to say. Thank you.

1662
02:05:03,680 --> 02:05:11,900
Donna Fellows, I just want to say you all are saying that they have to act professional on enough duty.

1663
02:05:11,900 --> 02:05:20,620
Well, when Sergeant Horn has a domestic violence and is on a police report, I'm sorry, and he

1664
02:05:20,620 --> 02:05:24,460
broke picture frames, and he broke a MacBook computer.

1665
02:05:25,000 --> 02:05:26,300
That's not professional.

1666
02:05:26,820 --> 02:05:28,540
That is hostile.

1667
02:05:29,260 --> 02:05:34,740
So the hostile part came from the home to begin with.

1668
02:05:34,740 --> 02:05:44,020
Now, Chief, he has brought so much good to this department, to the city and to us residents.

1669
02:05:44,420 --> 02:05:46,840
He has brought you a SWAT vehicle.

1670
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:54,560
He has brought you technical gear for your police technical, special technical things.

1671
02:05:55,320 --> 02:06:01,480
He has brought you the, he's bringing in the red dots for our police, women and men.

1672
02:06:02,600 --> 02:06:08,180
He is bringing in a lot of good to protect our women and men.

1673
02:06:08,940 --> 02:06:12,540
He is not putting them down like that.

1674
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:19,420
Just a text message, I'm sorry, but I can tell you one incident right here on the City Hall property

1675
02:06:19,420 --> 02:06:23,600
where a commissioner told someone that he hated me.

1676
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:28,940
And I'm glad because the feeling is mutual.

1677
02:06:28,940 --> 02:06:35,500
and I'm going to let you know you told Anna Grace that yes you did and I'm

1678
02:06:35,500 --> 02:06:40,440
happy with it hate me all you want I don't care but remember your

1679
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:45,400
residents are your bosses I don't usually hate because it takes too much work to

1680
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:54,340
hate yeah wow oh my god please it's my time stop so you got to think of the good

1681
02:06:54,340 --> 02:07:04,080
And for Sergeant Horne to take a police vehicle and go lights and sirens chasing his girlfriend down in

1682
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:14,680
Moor from Margate to coconut Creek and doing that and putting us in jeopardy, he's the one that needs to have his job lost.

1683
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:42,070
I said, I don't understand why you gave people bullets and put them in your guns, they could shoot you with them.

1684
02:07:42,070 --> 02:07:50,350
These are his texts. I agree with, they are his texts. And the issues that we have with the other

1685
02:07:50,350 --> 02:07:56,250
people, they should be dealt with. All right, they should be dealt with and they should be dealt

1686
02:07:56,250 --> 02:08:09,010
with good. But this still is about the chief and the text. It's not, we need them and at the problem.

1687
02:08:09,710 --> 02:08:17,930
We made this agree on, but the important thing is, is that he wrote them, he sent them out, and

1688
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:21,680
that should not be forgotten in any of this.

1689
02:08:28,360 --> 02:08:40,960
Tracy Van Winkle, first of all, I would just like to say to Commissioner Assyrio, don't put that off on me that I keep saying, check your department because it had nothing to do with the police department.

1690
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:43,760
I'll spell it out for you this meeting, okay?

1691
02:08:44,740 --> 02:08:46,580
Check these, check wastewater.

1692
02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:49,600
There you go, now go check those employees, okay?

1693
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:51,960
Check the management and check those employees

1694
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:53,200
and see how they're being treated.

1695
02:08:53,980 --> 02:08:56,340
Now that I've spelled it out for you, do that, okay?

1696
02:08:56,680 --> 02:08:58,500
I wasn't talking about the police department.

1697
02:09:01,500 --> 02:09:04,900
We love all of you in the Margate Police Department.

1698
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:08,000
We love Chief Galaska, we love all of you.

1699
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:18,260
My grandchildren every single one of them have been raised when they see an officer, they say thank you for your service, we love you, thank you for your service.

1700
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:35,620
I can't tell you probably on one hand that there have been probably five market officers that do not even respond to my grandchildren and it really pisses me off, but that's okay because some people just don't like kids I guess I don't know.

1701
02:09:35,620 --> 02:09:44,660
but we always do. We love all of you. I am here tonight for my granddaughter that's 15 and she asked

1702
02:09:44,660 --> 02:09:51,020
me to read this because she can't be here tonight. Dear Chief Galaska, I am sorry that I have to

1703
02:09:51,020 --> 02:09:57,700
miss the meeting tonight. I wanted to be here in person but I want the commissioners to know that I

1704
02:09:57,700 --> 02:10:05,120
support you Chief Galaska because you help our city out so much. You and all the other police men and

1705
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:12,660
women. You care about our community and who knows what will happen if we lose you. Please,

1706
02:10:13,940 --> 02:10:20,920
I see you at every meeting and if something happens, I see you leave sometimes

1707
02:10:21,580 --> 02:10:29,240
when you have to on an emergency. The chief cares so much about our community. I hope you guys and

1708
02:10:29,240 --> 02:10:34,540
and gals on the commission and the mayor make the right decision about our chief.

1709
02:10:34,860 --> 02:10:38,100
He is the best, love, Cheyenne Van Winkle.

1710
02:10:38,780 --> 02:10:42,320
He also changed so much in our city to make it safer.

1711
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:48,900
That's it, and me and my husband do support the chief and the rest of the police in Marguerite.

1712
02:10:49,340 --> 02:10:49,640
Thank you.

1713
02:10:49,940 --> 02:10:50,080
Okay.

1714
02:10:55,340 --> 02:10:58,720
Robert Cangelosi, I'd like to read something to you.

1715
02:11:00,620 --> 02:11:03,400
Larissa went to the fountain to show Teddy its delights.

1716
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:08,180
I went into the farmhouse with Morton, who turned out to be the lawyer for the estate.

1717
02:11:09,100 --> 02:11:13,700
He explained he had driven all the way from San Antonio and had stayed there on the farm

1718
02:11:13,700 --> 02:11:18,960
for the last three days to sort out issues among the few relatives who had arrived in pickup

1719
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:20,520
trucks after the news got out.

1720
02:11:21,500 --> 02:11:24,740
You'll arrive the half hour later and I would have been gone, he said.

1721
02:11:27,530 --> 02:11:28,170
Is that a good book?

1722
02:11:29,210 --> 02:11:35,990
had a bad book? Do you understand the book? You can't. You can't possibly understand this book

1723
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:42,530
because you only saw a tiny bit that I read. Chief Galaska has been here 30 years. Don't judge

1724
02:11:42,530 --> 02:11:51,670
his whole career on statements that were made off the cuff to a friend. He's got 30 years serving

1725
02:11:51,670 --> 02:11:57,810
you a city. The day you appointed him, he was the best person you could find. He's still

1726
02:11:57,810 --> 02:12:03,950
that same man. He may have made a text that was wrong, but he is still the best man.

1727
02:12:04,570 --> 02:12:05,030
Thank you.

1728
02:12:11,620 --> 02:12:19,600
Good evening, Julie Jones. I did a public records request, and God is good all the time because

1729
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:28,380
I got a report that I didn't even know existed and I would like to read it to you. On March

1730
02:12:28,380 --> 02:12:35,780
March 8, 2020, I responded to redacted address in reference to a domestic disturbance.

1731
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:43,300
Upon arrival, contact was made with a male in the front yard later identified by his Florida

1732
02:12:43,300 --> 02:12:45,040
driver's license as Phil Horn.

1733
02:12:47,910 --> 02:12:53,470
Horn said that he and his living girl from the seven years Aaron Blanton had a verbal agreement

1734
02:12:53,470 --> 02:12:54,470
over infidelity.

1735
02:12:54,470 --> 02:13:01,150
Horn further stated that the argument became escalated to the point we began to break picture

1736
02:13:01,150 --> 02:13:04,310
frames and pictures within the residence.

1737
02:13:04,810 --> 02:13:12,030
Contact was made with Blanton in the residence who related that the argument was over infidelity

1738
02:13:12,030 --> 02:13:16,630
and only picture frames and an Applebook computer was broken.

1739
02:13:17,810 --> 02:13:19,830
And it goes on to say that it was just verbal.

1740
02:13:19,950 --> 02:13:21,570
No mayor, I'd like to ask you a question.

1741
02:13:23,810 --> 02:13:29,270
Okay, verbally. Can I knock all these pictures off the wall? I asked the sergeant today.

1742
02:13:29,710 --> 02:13:37,970
He said, no, verbally. Can I break your phone and MacBook? No, this was physical.

1743
02:13:38,450 --> 02:13:43,910
And you see this, this, this is a fraudulent report because it says on here, and I asked

1744
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:48,470
the sergeant and that's why I went to the police department today. The sergeant said to

1745
02:13:48,470 --> 02:13:54,790
me. I said, does this say not a law enforcement officer? It says they are both not law enforcement

1746
02:13:54,790 --> 02:14:02,450
officers. So number one, if you are going to be going around with your car in another

1747
02:14:02,450 --> 02:14:09,750
city and threatening your girlfriend's dogs, doing this and then sending intimidating messages

1748
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:17,690
to my phone that FDLI wants to see tomorrow and the governor because the vice mayor is

1749
02:14:17,690 --> 02:14:24,590
very aware that there were toys donated by H.O.A.'s in residence. He put them in his private garage,

1750
02:14:25,390 --> 02:14:31,990
and I personally went to the police chief and said, please do me a favor. Please, the right

1751
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:38,570
thing is to have them removed because if the H.O.A.'s in residence find out those toys were gone in Miami

1752
02:14:38,570 --> 02:14:44,210
because Hannah Grace sent me a text. They're all going to F.D. L.E. tomorrow of the text, saying that

1753
02:14:44,210 --> 02:14:51,170
they were going to Miami. So horn sends me intimidations because I don't want to be involved

1754
02:14:51,170 --> 02:14:57,190
in illegal immigration that I was asked to get in. No, that's the person that these

1755
02:14:57,190 --> 02:14:58,770
There's a little confidence vote not UK.

1756
02:15:02,010 --> 02:15:03,590
Once again, this is about the chief.

1757
02:15:07,860 --> 02:15:12,760
We can deal with the other situation at a later date, but

1758
02:15:12,760 --> 02:15:17,140
this is about the chief right now. Well, this is also about the credibility of the, I understand

1759
02:15:17,140 --> 02:15:25,420
that, but I'm going to say it again, is the text, sort of text, or the text, or the text. Understand.

1760
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:32,360
Okay,

1761
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:34,480
deal with the others later on.

1762
02:15:37,300 --> 02:15:40,160
When I ask you that, it's been going on for a while.

1763
02:15:40,460 --> 02:15:41,580
When is something going to happen?

1764
02:15:42,120 --> 02:15:43,420
Well, I think it's the time.

1765
02:15:43,580 --> 02:15:45,180
I'm not asking you, person.

1766
02:15:45,300 --> 02:15:46,600
No, the time.

1767
02:15:46,980 --> 02:15:47,820
We all agree.

1768
02:15:47,980 --> 02:15:48,640
It's been going on for a while.

1769
02:15:48,820 --> 02:15:49,560
And nothing's being done.

1770
02:15:50,420 --> 02:15:55,460
I'm the kind of person who wants to have a rule that I will talk

1771
02:15:55,460 --> 02:15:58,720
about another time is that if you would get a text like this,

1772
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:05,500
because you need to report it within 72 hours. You can't be letting, because you know what,

1773
02:16:06,220 --> 02:16:12,460
every single person in this room probably has probably put something in text that they

1774
02:16:12,460 --> 02:16:18,740
wish they could pull back. And the last thing, and I'm not asking for applause. And the

1775
02:16:18,740 --> 02:16:24,940
thing is, is this, is that number one, you shouldn't be doing that stuff in text, you should

1776
02:16:24,940 --> 02:16:28,300
be a whole lot smarter than that, right? But

1777
02:16:30,440 --> 02:16:35,420
it's just it's just it's it's because what

1778
02:16:35,420 --> 02:16:42,600
we're looking at here is things that have just been just boiling and bubbling and just

1779
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:49,860
stewing and growing. And why? Because it wasn't given in within 72 hours so it could be taken

1780
02:16:49,860 --> 02:16:54,400
care of that. And that's what we need to do. We need to have some kind of a policy where

1781
02:16:54,400 --> 02:16:58,560
that this doesn't, because this could literally go on forever.

1782
02:16:59,220 --> 02:17:00,820
And it could happen to the next person,

1783
02:17:01,060 --> 02:17:03,140
and it could happen to the person who's a major next,

1784
02:17:03,300 --> 02:17:04,900
it could happen to a person who's a lieutenant next,

1785
02:17:05,220 --> 02:17:06,560
it could happen to a sergeant next.

1786
02:17:07,160 --> 02:17:10,360
Who knows what stupid things people put on text

1787
02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:11,880
when they think they're talking to their friends?

1788
02:17:12,500 --> 02:17:15,000
Then they think they're talking to their friends.

1789
02:17:15,560 --> 02:17:17,520
But we can't stop people from being stupid.

1790
02:17:17,940 --> 02:17:19,420
What we need to do is make sure people

1791
02:17:19,420 --> 02:17:21,340
who do stupid things get penalized.

1792
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:34,880
But we need to put something together with where we can't be looking at this stuff two months later, two years later, it's got to be done ASAP.

1793
02:17:36,360 --> 02:17:37,380
I agree with you.

1794
02:17:37,380 --> 02:17:43,640
If I could just say one thing, I don't disagree with that and I do agree with you, Mayor

1795
02:17:43,640 --> 02:17:46,520
Rosano, on making some policy changes.

1796
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:53,600
I don't want to seem like, well, first of all, we can't go after anyone else but the

1797
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:54,400
chartered officers.

1798
02:17:55,500 --> 02:18:01,780
So for disciplinary actions, for other people mentioned, which I do think to some extent,

1799
02:18:01,780 --> 02:18:06,740
they shouldn't, you know, certain people shouldn't be looked at absolutely, but that's not

1800
02:18:06,740 --> 02:18:12,400
in our purview. But what the mayor did bring up, which I do agree with, is certain policies,

1801
02:18:12,460 --> 02:18:19,800
because we do set the policies to prevent this type of stuff in the future. But that doesn't

1802
02:18:20,500 --> 02:18:25,840
mean that I or we get sidetracked from the topic, which is the chief. Right. That's why I've sent

1803
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:31,580
a couple of times. The credibility of the person on the other end, I understand why people question

1804
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:37,620
not. But he didn't write those messages and sheathed it. I said, yeah, I agree with it.

1805
02:18:37,640 --> 02:18:43,640
We're chang on a moment to show you how conflicted I am with this. I downloaded the law enforcement code

1806
02:18:43,640 --> 02:18:51,120
of ethics. I'm going to read one of them to you because I will keep my private life unsullied

1807
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:56,100
as an example to all, maintain courageous calm in the face of dangerous scorn or ridicule,

1808
02:18:56,720 --> 02:19:00,540
develop self-restraint and be consistently mindful of the welfare of others.

1809
02:19:00,540 --> 02:19:07,580
Honesty and thought indeed is both my personal and official, both my personal official life,

1810
02:19:07,720 --> 02:19:12,720
a weak exemplary, you know, obeying the laws of the land and the regulations of the department.

1811
02:19:13,160 --> 02:19:20,340
Whatever I see or hear of a confidential nature, or that is confided to me in my official,

1812
02:19:20,460 --> 02:19:29,200
you walked out, in my official capacity, will be kept under ever-secret unless revelation is

1813
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:34,660
necessary in the performance of my duty, revelation was not necessary for that.

1814
02:19:35,980 --> 02:19:42,360
So, I'm fair on both sides, those texts should never have been let out regardless of what date,

1815
02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:48,380
what month, what year, or for what reason, because there is a law enforcement code of ethics.

1816
02:19:49,060 --> 02:19:54,480
The only thing that didn't pass out, Joanne, that says that shouldn't happen and it is my guess

1817
02:19:54,480 --> 02:20:02,740
that everyone who is inducted into the service of the law enforcement swears to uphold that,

1818
02:20:03,100 --> 02:20:08,260
not of unright. I assume that that's something that everybody gets that I didn't just find

1819
02:20:08,260 --> 02:20:14,960
it somewhere. So just to show you, I clearly understand, I have seriously read all of this

1820
02:20:14,960 --> 02:20:21,140
stuff and tried to figure out what to do because if it's already here, then it should be said

1821
02:20:21,140 --> 02:20:27,820
that I hear you. I saw this. I'm sorry now Rich. Go ahead. But this goes past the text.

1822
02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:32,960
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying it says it shouldn't be done. I know, but this investigation

1823
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:40,280
has more than just the text in it. There's more said there's more substance to it. That's why I said

1824
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:46,800
there's two parts to me. This is not only about text. This is about conduct unbecoming among many

1825
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:55,640
people. I'm sorry. Thank you. Good evening, everybody. Rich Allie, and all. It's not a good day in

1826
02:20:55,640 --> 02:21:02,500
Margate. I'm just coming up here to just try to soften things up a little bit. And I could say

1827
02:21:02,500 --> 02:21:08,980
this. I hope the man doesn't lose his job. I mean, you smack him on the head, do what you got to do,

1828
02:21:08,980 --> 02:21:17,540
but he's been here 30 years. My goodness, he's crafted to the mongey. If we can just take a deep breath

1829
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:25,700
and sit back and say, all right, let's get all these facts and figures together and let's try to

1830
02:21:25,700 --> 02:21:34,400
make the best of life with this gentleman who has to work here in the future. By the way, chief,

1831
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:37,920
If, when this is all done tonight, do you want to work here anymore?

1832
02:21:39,100 --> 02:21:41,480
Do you want to face all this garbage?

1833
02:21:42,300 --> 02:21:43,680
I don't think so.

1834
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:47,420
If I had that kind of talent, I could probably find another job.

1835
02:21:48,440 --> 02:21:49,700
But then again, he's rooted.

1836
02:21:50,100 --> 02:21:51,080
He knows his job.

1837
02:21:51,740 --> 02:21:52,780
He likes his job.

1838
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:54,740
He made a lot of mistakes.

1839
02:21:55,860 --> 02:21:59,440
And be careful who your text, folks, watch out.

1840
02:22:00,120 --> 02:22:01,980
That's a death wish for anybody.

1841
02:22:01,980 --> 02:22:04,940
especially if it's texting like that.

1842
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:11,640
I don't know what else to say, standing up here, I've been in Margie a long time, went

1843
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:17,400
to a lot of meetings, and I never really faced anything like this tonight.

1844
02:22:18,300 --> 02:22:25,020
Once again, commission, please, don't pick on each other, don't block on each other's faces,

1845
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:28,580
stay friendly to you because you need your power together.

1846
02:22:29,660 --> 02:22:36,040
like it says we work together we make things great that's the way it is in

1847
02:22:36,040 --> 02:22:40,540
Margie I always thought of that so be careful what you do up there the

1848
02:22:40,540 --> 02:22:48,000
dias it's doesn't look good from down here it looks terrible but stay close to

1849
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:55,000
this thing and I'll end with this I hope he can get a choice to come back and keep

1850
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:55,460
is sharp.

1851
02:23:13,980 --> 02:23:21,000
Good evening, Elsa Sanchez. I have been for a week writing stuff up and crossing it

1852
02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:27,100
off and putting it back on again and off again. And it's so hard, so hard to make this.

1853
02:23:27,640 --> 02:23:35,040
My personal opinion, Jesus Galaska, he has responded to different requests from me or our community

1854
02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:39,920
and personal issues in a very prompt, responsible and respectful way.

1855
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:47,180
For my community, after a couple of years dealing with a lady with Alzheimer's, getting

1856
02:23:47,180 --> 02:23:52,580
lost, and having to have the police bring her home over and over, she ended up going

1857
02:23:52,580 --> 02:23:58,900
in the canal. That's when the chief took charge of the situation and with his help, she

1858
02:23:58,900 --> 02:24:06,220
was placed where she could be safe. On a personal note, issue, event, even though he was

1859
02:24:06,220 --> 02:24:13,440
away, he sent me help from two different officers to guide me and to help me with it. Several

1860
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:20,620
other requests have been, he has responded very favorably. I believe he cares for the community,

1861
02:24:21,880 --> 02:24:29,800
but I'm yes, there is a but. The bodies, my concern is his department. My concern is his people,

1862
02:24:29,800 --> 02:24:36,440
The people that he has to supervise, the people that have to confide in him, that he has

1863
02:24:36,440 --> 02:24:42,180
to vote a vote of confidence that he did not get.

1864
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:45,280
And that concerns me very much.

1865
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:47,580
I think it's a good man.

1866
02:24:48,180 --> 02:24:55,800
I think in many ways he made a many mistakes about doing this.

1867
02:24:55,800 --> 02:25:25,000
But my concern is for the police officers, for the lieutenants, for the officers, for the whole entire department, that they should have somebody that they can trust, that they can feel that they have their support, and he has their support, and that is the part that hurts me, that I don't see that, and that is the part that I am really upset about, sad for me and for the city.

1868
02:25:25,000 --> 02:25:25,960
Thank you.

1869
02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:26,680
Thank you.

1870
02:25:33,770 --> 02:25:39,630
Jill Sarcioni, I am a mom of five children, four of them daughters.

1871
02:25:40,130 --> 02:25:43,070
I have ten grandchildren, six of them girls.

1872
02:25:44,010 --> 02:25:45,830
So do I condone the chief's tax?

1873
02:25:46,250 --> 02:25:47,150
Absolutely not.

1874
02:25:47,310 --> 02:25:49,990
And I think that's probably the only thing we can all agree on here.

1875
02:25:50,310 --> 02:25:52,810
The tax learned mistake and should never have happened.

1876
02:25:53,550 --> 02:26:00,810
But having said that, the man has dedicated 30 years of his life to this city, but his life

1877
02:26:00,810 --> 02:26:06,630
on the line, but his family through stress. And I feel like we're setting him up to fail.

1878
02:26:08,050 --> 02:26:12,750
Up here, we've had some suggestions about giving him a second chance. Our Lee and you mentioned

1879
02:26:12,750 --> 02:26:18,590
six months. But then Anthony, you said a month of suspension, which would give him five months

1880
02:26:18,590 --> 02:26:23,530
if you do both. Oh, I give him six months after that. Okay, good, because he's going to need time

1881
02:26:23,530 --> 02:26:29,610
to fix this. And the idea of saying, well, let's see in six months, what happens if things have

1882
02:26:29,610 --> 02:26:35,650
improved if the culture is better. There's no specific benchmarks. That's what needs to be put

1883
02:26:35,650 --> 02:26:41,590
in place. New policies, benchmarks that are specific so that you can actually judge whether there

1884
02:26:41,590 --> 02:26:45,830
is change or not. Otherwise, you're just setting him up for success and the poor man's got to go

1885
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:48,010
through this again and again for

1886
02:26:50,090 --> 02:26:54,510
failure. Thank you. We're setting him up to fail and we bring up that

1887
02:26:54,510 --> 02:27:00,710
more texts are coming. It's the same thing. He should not have made these texts. No one will

1888
02:27:00,710 --> 02:27:07,750
argue that. So it's the same offense that we're talking about. So let's settle this once and

1889
02:27:07,750 --> 02:27:12,790
for all. If you're going to keep him, make specific guidelines, benchmarks that are attainable

1890
02:27:12,790 --> 02:27:20,410
and measurable, and give the guy a chance 30 years. As a law abiding citizen, I've had no interaction

1891
02:27:20,410 --> 02:27:26,170
personally with Chief Galasco. But I have witnessed many times his interactions throughout the

1892
02:27:26,170 --> 02:27:31,930
community at many of our events, his interactions with residents, with children and they have been

1893
02:27:31,930 --> 02:27:36,550
exemplarary. And I think that needs to be taken into consideration. Thank you.

1894
02:27:48,060 --> 02:27:55,060
Hello, Stacey Angel, 49-year resident of Margate. So I didn't make the 50 years that you recognized

1895
02:27:55,060 --> 02:28:03,060
earlier. So I've been around longer than Chief Galaska. And I agree with our previous speaker that

1896
02:28:03,060 --> 02:28:04,760
It said nobody can argue that the text

1897
02:28:04,760 --> 02:28:05,800
or something that we'd want.

1898
02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:08,920
Okay, all of us have made comments

1899
02:28:08,920 --> 02:28:12,000
whether they were written or verbal about someone

1900
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:13,720
that later we should have taken back.

1901
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:15,680
We should have never said everybody here.

1902
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:17,400
I don't like them.

1903
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:20,880
I don't like that, but I like Chief Kalaska.

1904
02:28:22,020 --> 02:28:25,240
Every time I reached out to him when I was at a button at life

1905
02:28:25,240 --> 02:28:26,660
as the administrator there,

1906
02:28:26,940 --> 02:28:29,100
and I had questions about the school zone.

1907
02:28:29,460 --> 02:28:32,100
People driving like 60 miles an hour

1908
02:28:32,100 --> 02:28:36,560
in the morning down Banks Road, cutting people off and I'm sitting there thinking they're

1909
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:41,040
going to kill somebody. They're going to kill one of the kids. He was responsive to anything

1910
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:49,220
I asked. Okay. Is he perfect? No, but none of us are. And in all honesty, obviously I ran

1911
02:28:49,220 --> 02:28:53,980
a Christian school so you know I'm a Christian, right? Matthew 18 tells us that we go to the

1912
02:28:53,980 --> 02:28:59,860
person. So when the text started, they should have stopped. Okay. And that needs to happen

1913
02:28:59,860 --> 02:29:05,680
throughout the department. We have a great group of police officers and firefighters, but

1914
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:11,440
every one of them is human. Every one of them makes mistakes, just like every one of you and

1915
02:29:11,440 --> 02:29:16,680
everybody in my household, we're not perfect. There is going to be times where we do things that we

1916
02:29:16,680 --> 02:29:26,360
regret. Is it what he did? Is it worth throwing away a 30 year career? What do we do to fix things?

1917
02:29:26,360 --> 02:29:28,700
Number one, nobody's mentioned training.

1918
02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:32,140
There needs to be training, not just for him, for everybody.

1919
02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:35,320
And if you have this problem with the police department,

1920
02:29:35,500 --> 02:29:36,720
you have it in every department.

1921
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:41,380
So we need to sit down and get together and address

1922
02:29:41,380 --> 02:29:42,860
what's going on in Margate.

1923
02:29:43,480 --> 02:29:45,640
You guys are leaders, work together.

1924
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,680
You've talked about policy changes.

1925
02:29:47,880 --> 02:29:48,600
That's important.

1926
02:29:49,080 --> 02:29:53,080
Talk about training, but give chief Alaska the support.

1927
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:59,660
I heard the union representative and I heard at least one commissioner say it's going to be the same thing at the end of six months.

1928
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,380
That's not the attitude. We're going to give the support, Kale, to help him do a good job if you're going to keep him. Give him a fair chance. I have no problem with reevaluation at six months. And if it's positive there, at another six months, keep track on it. But he spent 30 years serving our community. He spent 30 years here. Do I want him to apologize to any officer that he offended? Absolutely.

1929
02:30:29,380 --> 02:30:30,980
Absolutely, absolutely.

1930
02:30:31,800 --> 02:30:35,080
Do I want anybody not promoted because of gender?

1931
02:30:35,800 --> 02:30:37,220
That should not be the reason.

1932
02:30:37,960 --> 02:30:42,080
Promotion should be based upon performance, okay?

1933
02:30:42,700 --> 02:30:48,140
But he has been fair, he has been honorable, he's served our community.

1934
02:30:48,820 --> 02:30:51,640
Yes, he made a mistake, give him an opportunity to correct.

1935
02:30:51,920 --> 02:30:52,260
Thank you.

1936
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:52,960
Thank you, Susan.

1937
02:30:59,110 --> 02:31:01,270
Is there anybody else from the public that would like to sign?

1938
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:09,320
Lauren Baraka, the Maggate resident,

1939
02:31:12,190 --> 02:31:14,810
it's always difficult for me to get up

1940
02:31:14,810 --> 02:31:15,350
and speak.

1941
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:27,800
I, it's far as the vote of no confidence is concerned. I don't know

1942
02:31:27,800 --> 02:31:39,100
of any of you up here have ever had a well-vote of no confidence potential

1943
02:31:39,100 --> 02:31:51,780
recall done against you, I have to say that I did experience this. And what made it so difficult

1944
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:59,760
is that people that we had helped through the years,

1945
02:32:01,970 --> 02:32:07,010
they just turned and somebody goes

1946
02:32:07,010 --> 02:32:23,290
And somebody says something and then somebody else says something and somebody else says something and guess what you can almost have had the recall had we not resigned before they tried to do a recall of all lines.

1947
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:33,100
The biggest mistake here was trusting somebody and putting it in writing.

1948
02:32:34,380 --> 02:32:41,240
It is so called that you think that people are your friends, one day they are your friends,

1949
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:44,100
the next day they are your enemy.

1950
02:32:44,980 --> 02:32:45,680
And you know what?

1951
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:47,960
Trust nobody.

1952
02:32:48,260 --> 02:32:54,980
That's the biggest mistake and actually just listening to what's happened here, it makes

1953
02:32:54,980 --> 02:32:58,600
me feel more confident that that is the right decision.

1954
02:32:59,540 --> 02:33:01,040
Trust nobody.

1955
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:10,240
like, it is so sad. And you know what? I listen to you speak up here and people come up

1956
02:33:10,240 --> 02:33:17,140
and speak and this is not the first blemish on Margate. They could seem like this is

1957
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:25,240
like the beginning of the end, but there's been other things that have gone on. And other

1958
02:33:25,240 --> 02:33:31,260
people talking about it and other cities laughing about Margate and it has nothing to do

1959
02:33:31,260 --> 02:33:38,620
with the chief. It has to do with I don't know what lots of people have left. So I think

1960
02:33:38,620 --> 02:33:45,620
that everybody needs to look in the mirror and also people that are sitting up there.

1961
02:33:46,080 --> 02:33:52,420
Think about text and stuff that you yourself put out and you're the one that's judging

1962
02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:58,360
others. Think about what you wrote. Too bad I didn't say those.

1963
02:34:01,140 --> 02:34:01,780
Thank you.

1964
02:34:10,510 --> 02:34:11,330
Nicole Collins.

1965
02:34:14,660 --> 02:34:16,260
I'm sorry. One more time into the mic. Sorry about that.

1966
02:34:16,260 --> 02:34:23,780
Nicole Collins. We all agree the Texas. Okay. There's not a one of you here who has

1967
02:34:23,780 --> 02:34:28,860
never said anything bad about any person.

1968
02:34:31,100 --> 02:34:34,220
So whether you said it in a text or you

1969
02:34:34,220 --> 02:34:35,600
You said it face to face.

1970
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:37,100
You all have done it.

1971
02:34:37,480 --> 02:34:38,860
Every one of us have done it.

1972
02:34:39,540 --> 02:34:41,800
So if I can give him his punishment and let's keep going.

1973
02:34:42,060 --> 02:34:47,280
The stuff coming up, it needs to be all done together as far as,

1974
02:34:49,750 --> 02:34:51,850
as far as the whole training

1975
02:34:51,850 --> 02:34:55,730
and getting the right things, yes, he needs the right training.

1976
02:34:55,890 --> 02:35:05,910
But your union reps stood up here and just said that it was broke and he said when Joe started

1977
02:35:05,910 --> 02:35:11,630
it was broke. So if you knew it was broke then then you should have said hey Joe let's fix this

1978
02:35:12,350 --> 02:35:20,070
but instead you didn't you sat there what did you give them the right tools did you do that?

1979
02:35:20,510 --> 02:35:24,850
No you didn't so you were part of the problem you weren't part of a solution

1980
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:31,570
shame on you as far as some of you are saying you stand up here and you're professional

1981
02:35:31,570 --> 02:35:36,470
I'm not even going to tell you how last weekend's meeting went.

1982
02:35:37,770 --> 02:35:39,430
I'm talking about my talk and the stuff.

1983
02:35:39,810 --> 02:35:44,770
I said if someone stops me on the street and flicks me off into my face, I'm not

1984
02:35:44,770 --> 02:35:46,930
allowed to stand up for myself because I'm elected official.

1985
02:35:47,230 --> 02:35:50,190
You see me on the street, I will tell you the same thing that you tell me.

1986
02:35:50,670 --> 02:35:51,350
I treat people.

1987
02:35:51,490 --> 02:35:54,550
They treat me professionally in a professional setting.

1988
02:35:54,970 --> 02:35:58,230
I am always remain in my composure, okay?

1989
02:35:58,850 --> 02:36:03,910
And I will continue to work with the Chief if he still is here, which it seems like he's going to be

1990
02:36:04,610 --> 02:36:07,710
And I will have no animosity, and I will continue to work with him

1991
02:36:08,450 --> 02:36:14,030
But yes, when some wise guy wants to confront me. Why is that who is a Margate rent? I don't care

1992
02:36:14,890 --> 02:36:18,330
Okay, you heard him yourself. He doesn't care about his Margate rent. Okay. Let me know

1993
02:36:18,330 --> 02:36:22,590
Don't get in my face. I treat people. They want to treat I say hi to people

1994
02:36:22,590 --> 02:36:27,450
I say hi to people. I don't even like but if you flick me off and you get in my face and you tell me things

1995
02:36:27,450 --> 02:36:29,370
I'm going to say I'm right back to you.

1996
02:36:29,710 --> 02:36:30,190
Sorry.

1997
02:36:32,610 --> 02:36:33,370
Yeah, Nicole.

1998
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:35,190
Of course.

1999
02:36:35,890 --> 02:36:43,410
And as far as what he didn't come to you guys and say anything, you don't know if his

2000
02:36:43,410 --> 02:36:46,250
attorney told him not to say anything.

2001
02:36:46,730 --> 02:36:51,150
Because if any one of you guys did something wrong, your attorney would say, shut your mouth

2002
02:36:51,150 --> 02:36:52,450
and I'll tell you one to talk.

2003
02:36:53,070 --> 02:36:58,250
So sometimes people's hands are tied and every one of you know that and so does the city attorney.

2004
02:36:59,990 --> 02:37:01,510
Now let's go with

2005
02:37:01,510 --> 02:37:04,050
starts from the bottom or starts from the top

2006
02:37:04,050 --> 02:37:09,050
The way your union record is that it threatened your own

2007
02:37:09,050 --> 02:37:10,190
cheaper police

2008
02:37:10,770 --> 02:37:19,230
How is that going to make his job safe and the way some of you commissioners are talking about him you're threatening him

2009
02:37:19,230 --> 02:37:24,750
How could you expect him to do his job when you guys are making it a hostile work environment?

2010
02:37:25,470 --> 02:37:26,610
So that's from the top

2011
02:37:27,270 --> 02:37:29,250
Figure it out. If you can't fix yourself

2012
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:36,810
Then you better raise your bars higher because he's got a long haul and you guys need to help him and so you need to help yourselves

2013
02:37:36,810 --> 02:37:41,990
And I stand for the chief not that I agree with the text, but I stand for the chief

2014
02:37:51,810 --> 02:37:52,250
Hi

2015
02:37:53,090 --> 02:37:55,230
Julie Vander Mewen Margate resident

2016
02:37:55,230 --> 02:38:12,650
I had everything written down and planned out, but I'm not going to speak really from this maybe for just a couple of lines, but I have to say I do agree with what everybody has been saying about the texts.

2017
02:38:12,930 --> 02:38:16,710
They were absolutely inappropriate and wrong.

2018
02:38:16,710 --> 02:38:25,530
The man has dedicated nearly three decades of service to the Margate Police Department.

2019
02:38:26,110 --> 02:38:31,430
Throughout his tenure, he has exemplified professionalism, commitment, leadership.

2020
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:36,490
His record remains largely unturnished.

2021
02:38:37,130 --> 02:38:45,390
The problems that I see being in human resources, where is human resources here today,

2022
02:38:45,390 --> 02:38:51,770
is he had an infected toxic department.

2023
02:38:53,440 --> 02:38:57,380
He didn't fire because he couldn't, because his hands were tied,

2024
02:38:57,960 --> 02:39:01,380
the people that were making this a toxic department.

2025
02:39:01,880 --> 02:39:04,960
That has to be done.

2026
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:09,980
Something needs to be done to help him do what he needs to do.

2027
02:39:10,400 --> 02:39:16,620
But everybody is always saying that the city manager, and I'm sorry,

2028
02:39:18,340 --> 02:39:31,840
And somehow it did. And that's wrong because you are the CEO of this city. So shame on you for letting it get by you. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.

2029
02:39:32,500 --> 02:39:41,160
I also feel with the training and with everything else that is needed.

2030
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:53,620
the leadership in the police department needs the help and everything that has been

2031
02:39:53,620 --> 02:40:00,940
going on has been nothing has been done. I should say nothing has been done to help this

2032
02:40:00,940 --> 02:40:09,780
man correct this department. It was toxic before he got here. It remain toxic and it's going

2033
02:40:09,780 --> 02:40:17,160
to stay this way unless you change it. And it has to be changed. But you're not going to change it

2034
02:40:17,160 --> 02:40:25,500
by firing a man that has been here for 30 years. That is really trying to help Margate. And I

2035
02:40:25,500 --> 02:40:34,640
don't know what else to say except thank you for the 30 years that you have given Margate,

2036
02:40:34,640 --> 02:40:44,900
this department and people that are here because we appreciate you very much. So, thank you very much.

2037
02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:47,180
Thank you.

2038
02:40:50,420 --> 02:40:52,600
Is there anybody else from the public that would like to speak?

2039
02:40:58,080 --> 02:40:58,120
Hi,

2040
02:41:01,110 --> 02:41:05,450
I'm John Donahue. I live in Paradise Garden Section 4.

2041
02:41:07,830 --> 02:41:09,050
A couple of old sayings.

2042
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:16,050
definition of insanity is when you continue to do the same thing over and over and over and over and over again

2043
02:41:16,050 --> 02:41:17,490
I expect a different result

2044
02:41:18,190 --> 02:41:23,090
The other way to say this is long as you keep doing what you've always done. You always keep getting what you've always gotten

2045
02:41:24,270 --> 02:41:28,710
I don't think this is about chief Kalaska, and I don't think it's necessary about tax. We all make mistakes

2046
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:31,310
We've heard that thousands of times. We've always done the same thing

2047
02:41:31,770 --> 02:41:35,930
This is about a system that's broken and so what we need to do is

2048
02:41:35,930 --> 02:41:41,230
is focus on fixing the system and not necessarily throwing the man out.

2049
02:41:42,130 --> 02:41:47,430
If you're replacing with the same system, the next guy is going to fail again.

2050
02:41:48,010 --> 02:41:49,470
No question about it.

2051
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:53,970
I've been involved with a lot of police departments in my career,

2052
02:41:54,470 --> 02:42:00,690
City of Cincinnati, Miami Township East of Cincinnati.

2053
02:42:01,410 --> 02:42:04,770
I've done a lot of work with different police departments.

2054
02:42:04,770 --> 02:42:10,390
And I think one thing we need to keep in perspective here is we don't have problems here.

2055
02:42:11,890 --> 02:42:15,270
I've seen larger cities and you've seen it on news recently.

2056
02:42:16,290 --> 02:42:22,550
We're police officers who are being attacked in the cities and are being killed, stabbed, you name it, disrespected.

2057
02:42:23,270 --> 02:42:24,650
We don't have that culture here.

2058
02:42:25,170 --> 02:42:27,910
We should be thankful for the environment that we're in.

2059
02:42:28,710 --> 02:42:29,610
We really should.

2060
02:42:31,710 --> 02:42:36,150
So let's work together and find common agreement.

2061
02:42:37,350 --> 02:42:40,010
That's the solution to the problems that we have here.

2062
02:42:40,270 --> 02:42:45,590
Let's identify what needs to be fixed and who can fix them and who best to fix it.

2063
02:42:46,490 --> 02:42:52,570
The solution is not just kicking the can down the street for another six months or whatever.

2064
02:42:53,210 --> 02:42:55,510
That's not going to set him up for success.

2065
02:42:55,510 --> 02:43:02,490
us, it's not going to set you up for success, let's work together and find common goals

2066
02:43:02,490 --> 02:43:04,790
where we can all improve as a group.

2067
02:43:06,130 --> 02:43:06,310
Thank you.

2068
02:43:06,590 --> 02:43:07,150
Thank you.

2069
02:43:14,010 --> 02:43:14,470
Good evening.

2070
02:43:15,670 --> 02:43:20,530
My name is Sergeant Anthony Scalfani, and for the early three decades as well, I have served

2071
02:43:20,530 --> 02:43:22,150
the city as a devoted police officer.

2072
02:43:22,950 --> 02:43:29,210
Today I stand before you with solemn obligation to address the false public assertions being

2073
02:43:29,210 --> 02:43:35,670
made by Marisano regarding Chief Galasca assertions that fail to capture the full extent of the truth.

2074
02:43:36,570 --> 02:43:41,170
Allow me to present a detailed rebuttal grounded in facts and supported evidence.

2075
02:43:42,270 --> 02:43:47,630
Contrary to Marisano's portrayal, Chief Galasca has indeed been the subject of complaints

2076
02:43:47,630 --> 02:43:54,630
prior to assuming his role as Chief. In March of 2021, I personally filed a discrimination

2077
02:43:54,630 --> 02:43:56,150
the nation, hostile work environment,

2078
02:43:56,530 --> 02:43:58,910
complaint that then against then Captain Galaska,

2079
02:43:59,710 --> 02:44:02,990
also citing numerous policy, police policy violation.

2080
02:44:03,630 --> 02:44:05,250
This was not an isolated incident,

2081
02:44:05,470 --> 02:44:07,890
rather it was part of a broader pattern of behavior

2082
02:44:07,890 --> 02:44:10,550
that warranted serious consideration.

2083
02:44:11,850 --> 02:44:13,810
Furthermore, in June of the same year,

2084
02:44:13,910 --> 02:44:16,230
the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,

2085
02:44:16,410 --> 02:44:19,850
EEOC accepted my complaint and it should be a notice to sue,

2086
02:44:20,410 --> 02:44:23,450
leading to an ongoing federal lawsuit against the city.

2087
02:44:23,450 --> 02:44:30,170
but it's not being disclosed. Yet, Marisana chooses to remain silent on these critical matters.

2088
02:44:31,730 --> 02:44:37,490
Marisana, despite being aware of Chief Kaleska's pending EEOC complaint and ongoing investigation,

2089
02:44:38,230 --> 02:44:42,610
all of you proceeded with his appointment as acting and then permanent Chief of Police.

2090
02:44:43,350 --> 02:44:47,830
The decision was made despite multiple individuals, including Mitch Pileci,

2091
02:44:47,830 --> 02:44:52,410
if a Margate news that dead and form a commission of leap impairment, raising concerns regarding

2092
02:44:52,410 --> 02:44:57,850
the appropriateness of such an appointment among these ongoing investigations.

2093
02:44:57,850 --> 02:44:59,830
even commissioners.

2094
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,420
In a commendable act of transparency at the following commission meeting, voiced apprehensions as she discovered there was an ongoing investigation against then Captain Galasca. In addition, she was highly along with the relationship between Captain Galasca and the individual handling the investigation, then Sajun Kostik. Regrettably, Mayor Rosano and the commission chose to remain silent. Nobody reopened it. This regarding the ethical priority for

2095
02:45:29,420 --> 02:45:35,680
transparency and accountability. The city's response to my discrimination complaint has been

2096
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:43,480
said in adequate, despite my efforts to bring forth legitimate concerns, internal affairs completed

2097
02:45:43,480 --> 02:45:49,840
a deceitful investigation against Chief Galaska, focused solely on policy, police policy violation,

2098
02:45:50,400 --> 02:45:56,000
neglecting the core issues of discrimination and hostile work environment. That's three years ago.

2099
02:45:57,060 --> 02:46:02,600
3 years have now passed and the city has yet to conduct an investigation into my discrimination

2100
02:46:02,600 --> 02:46:04,620
in hostile work environment complaint.

2101
02:46:05,220 --> 02:46:06,000
You ignored it.

2102
02:46:06,320 --> 02:46:08,180
You just let it go, like it wasn't there.

2103
02:46:09,140 --> 02:46:14,400
This negligence has allowed the scrimmary practices, personal attacks and manipulated

2104
02:46:14,400 --> 02:46:20,380
promotional exams to persist uncheck, causing a taxing environment within our department.

2105
02:46:20,780 --> 02:46:21,620
This is a good city.

2106
02:46:22,180 --> 02:46:23,080
It's a good department.

2107
02:46:23,400 --> 02:46:24,220
These are good people.

2108
02:46:24,780 --> 02:46:30,380
Notably, everything I said in my complaint three years ago has been proven to be true.

2109
02:46:31,180 --> 02:46:39,140
Read it, pull the public records, yet, Arizona, you choose to remain silent about those.

2110
02:46:39,700 --> 02:46:40,680
You don't bring it up.

2111
02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:41,280
Why?

2112
02:46:42,020 --> 02:46:44,720
You bring up everything else, but you don't bring that up.

2113
02:46:45,140 --> 02:46:50,360
In addition to my lawsuit, another EOC complaint for discrimination and fail you to promote-

2114
02:46:50,360 --> 02:46:51,920
You want to keep, you want to keep going, right?

2115
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:57,860
I would like to keep going. I need maybe two months to deal with the time to. How much more do you have?

2116
02:46:59,000 --> 02:47:02,960
I have one just this much.

2117
02:47:03,080 --> 02:47:04,720
Good. Thank you.

2118
02:47:05,500 --> 02:47:13,860
In addition to my lawsuit, another EEOC complaint for discrimination and failure to promote was lodged against Chief Galaska.

2119
02:47:14,420 --> 02:47:19,940
Now you have two. Furthermore, there is another ongoing lawsuit against Chief Galaska.

2120
02:47:19,940 --> 02:47:24,820
multiple other complaints for sexist and discriminatory comments that have been previously filed.

2121
02:47:25,700 --> 02:47:31,160
Despite these alarming developments, Mayor Rosano has chosen to remain silent, failing to disclose

2122
02:47:31,160 --> 02:47:37,100
these critical facts to the public or the news media. Furthermore, the city's expenditure of

2123
02:47:37,100 --> 02:47:42,280
thousands of dollars on legal defense to a significant law firm they hired to shield Chief Galasca

2124
02:47:42,280 --> 02:47:46,400
from accountability raises serious questions about misplaced priorities.

2125
02:47:49,400 --> 02:47:50,640
Mayor Rosano,

2126
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:52,960
Vice Mayor Schwartz, commissioners and residents.

2127
02:47:53,460 --> 02:47:56,760
I present these facts, not as mere allegations,

2128
02:47:57,260 --> 02:48:00,440
but irrefutable evidence of a troubling pattern

2129
02:48:00,440 --> 02:48:02,480
of behavior within the police department.

2130
02:48:02,940 --> 02:48:05,460
The overwhelming vote of no confidence

2131
02:48:05,460 --> 02:48:08,860
from over 75% of our department underscores

2132
02:48:08,860 --> 02:48:10,700
the urgency of the situation.

2133
02:48:11,220 --> 02:48:12,920
Morale is at all all time low.

2134
02:48:13,040 --> 02:48:14,540
All right, thank you.

2135
02:48:15,500 --> 02:48:17,360
The attorney would like to say so.

2136
02:48:17,360 --> 02:48:19,780
I would just say that I would request

2137
02:48:19,780 --> 02:48:22,780
As a commission, not comment or respond in light of the pending litigation.

2138
02:48:23,060 --> 02:48:23,320
Thank you.

2139
02:48:36,770 --> 02:48:37,750
I'm Laurie Moreiro.

2140
02:48:38,230 --> 02:48:44,190
I wanted you to put a face with the name and took a lot from you to come forward with this complaint and even more to stand up here tonight.

2141
02:48:45,690 --> 02:48:49,330
Mayor, you've made a massive public turnout to have the support chief, Alaska.

2142
02:48:49,670 --> 02:48:54,610
However, you're being misled by lies, contrary to what the mayor is saying on social media,

2143
02:48:54,670 --> 02:48:57,870
this has nothing to do with contracts, wages, officers not getting what they want.

2144
02:48:57,990 --> 02:49:00,590
Black male or people not liking the chief as some of you have claimed.

2145
02:49:00,590 --> 02:49:06,470
The truth is you're protecting him because he's your friend and your neighbor, although

2146
02:49:06,470 --> 02:49:09,030
I do not need to defend myself or my actions.

2147
02:49:09,210 --> 02:49:11,850
These messages are not two years old like you want people to believe.

2148
02:49:12,030 --> 02:49:16,290
According to the investigator, these messages referencing me were written in September of 2023.

2149
02:49:16,770 --> 02:49:17,890
That's not two years ago.

2150
02:49:18,350 --> 02:49:22,990
This isn't the first complaint against Joe Gulaski because he's had multiple against him going

2151
02:49:22,990 --> 02:49:24,230
back to when he was a captain.

2152
02:49:24,650 --> 02:49:28,190
As a matter of fact, he was in the middle of being investigated by internal affairs when

2153
02:49:28,190 --> 02:49:30,210
when he was appointed by the commission is in term chief.

2154
02:49:30,930 --> 02:49:34,250
I know this because I was one of the investigators assigned to investigate the allegations

2155
02:49:34,250 --> 02:49:34,930
against him.

2156
02:49:35,270 --> 02:49:35,950
That's another story.

2157
02:49:36,490 --> 02:49:40,030
My first complaint was filed in October of 2021, which was conveniently swept under

2158
02:49:40,030 --> 02:49:40,610
the rug.

2159
02:49:41,030 --> 02:49:44,010
As many of the complaints are, so the public never seasoned or knows about it.

2160
02:49:44,390 --> 02:49:48,230
The bottom line here is that my second complaint was taken seriously and warranted an investigation

2161
02:49:48,230 --> 02:49:50,650
by a third party agreed upon by the commission.

2162
02:49:51,390 --> 02:49:55,330
The findings which apparently were not in your favor were sustained as Sep 4th and the report

2163
02:49:55,330 --> 02:49:56,310
which is public record.

2164
02:49:56,310 --> 02:50:00,830
The independent investigator found that the chief does in fact foster a hostile work environment.

2165
02:50:01,190 --> 02:50:09,250
The second amendment to her investigation states that there's sufficient evidence to support further investigation into gender bias that needs to be voted on by you, the commission.

2166
02:50:10,450 --> 02:50:14,830
The only way she was able to do that was to do it in two parts so that you would have to vote on it.

2167
02:50:16,450 --> 02:50:20,790
It is clear, Mayor, that you're biased in this incident.

2168
02:50:20,790 --> 02:50:26,490
These findings themselves are grounds for termination of the chief, but you clearly don't care about the employees of this city,

2169
02:50:26,770 --> 02:50:29,510
which you have proven with your social media post protecting him.

2170
02:50:29,830 --> 02:50:35,270
And lying about how, why we have come to this point is clear you care more about politics and protecting your friend.

2171
02:50:35,630 --> 02:50:42,090
We're not here to debate whether you think that he is a good coach, a friend, a neighbor, or whatever he is to any of you and he probably is.

2172
02:50:42,410 --> 02:50:48,030
We're telling you that chief Galaska is not fit to lead this agency and the agency has no confidence in his ability and

2173
02:50:48,030 --> 02:50:49,290
that has been proven without a doubt.

2174
02:50:49,650 --> 02:50:51,090
The voter no confidence was called for

2175
02:50:51,090 --> 02:50:52,630
by the members of this department solely

2176
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:53,910
because of the investigation.

2177
02:50:54,350 --> 02:50:56,190
And the revelation of his true feelings,

2178
02:50:56,290 --> 02:50:57,450
Chief Galasca's true feelings,

2179
02:50:57,770 --> 02:50:59,050
toward the members of the department,

2180
02:50:59,190 --> 02:51:00,690
they called for it, we called for it.

2181
02:51:01,110 --> 02:51:02,750
Women, officers, officer wellness,

2182
02:51:03,030 --> 02:51:05,790
he put it all in there in how he feels about it

2183
02:51:05,790 --> 02:51:07,670
and those text messages and its public record.

2184
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:09,910
Chief Galasca has now muddied the waters

2185
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:11,630
for any future promotion, demotion,

2186
02:51:11,630 --> 02:51:14,270
or specific specialty unit assignment within the department.

2187
02:51:14,490 --> 02:51:16,630
He's paved the way for retaliatory lawsuits,

2188
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:18,490
who's hostile work environment agenda bias

2189
02:51:18,490 --> 02:51:19,490
and LEOC complaints.

2190
02:51:19,870 --> 02:51:21,710
If you vote to keep Chief Klassga tonight,

2191
02:51:22,050 --> 02:51:23,190
a Chief who now has a sustained

2192
02:51:23,190 --> 02:51:25,170
hostile work environment complaint against him,

2193
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:26,670
along with evidence of gender bias,

2194
02:51:26,890 --> 02:51:27,830
this will not end.

2195
02:51:28,150 --> 02:51:30,810
We will continue to seek the justice that we deserve.

2196
02:51:30,990 --> 02:51:32,810
We as police officers want true leadership,

2197
02:51:32,910 --> 02:51:35,390
which is something Chief Klassga cannot provide to us.

2198
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:38,070
Allowing Chief Klassga to continue as a Chief of police,

2199
02:51:38,410 --> 02:51:40,010
you will be allowing the hostile work environment

2200
02:51:40,010 --> 02:51:42,430
to continue and create a division between our department

2201
02:51:42,430 --> 02:51:44,690
and the citizens which has never happened before.

2202
02:51:44,690 --> 02:51:47,410
And frankly, that's not something you'll ever recover from.

2203
02:51:47,630 --> 02:51:52,630
I know you're going to attack me publicly and say bad things and my statement, and I'm prepared for it, but this is different.

2204
02:51:58,470 --> 02:51:59,510
I'll do anybody else.

2205
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:06,040
Hi, Good evening, Jonathan Krajik, Margaret Resident.

2206
02:52:06,760 --> 02:52:08,580
There's an old saying that love is blind.

2207
02:52:09,080 --> 02:52:15,920
Sometimes we have such love and admiration for another person that we can't cope with except in an individual's false or mistakes.

2208
02:52:16,560 --> 02:52:22,540
You need to ask yourselves if you were to find out that a loved one did something that they shouldn't have, how would you react?

2209
02:52:23,020 --> 02:52:27,280
Or if you turn on the news and saw the picture of someone who you love wanted for a crime,

2210
02:52:28,120 --> 02:52:29,860
would you bring yourself to turn them in?

2211
02:52:30,440 --> 02:52:35,400
This should not be personal or a popularity contest because that just maintains the good old

2212
02:52:35,400 --> 02:52:37,480
boy system that we're trying to rid our system of.

2213
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:42,900
You need to set aside your personal relationship or friendships for the individual just because

2214
02:52:42,900 --> 02:52:44,840
you may be best buds or neighbors.

2215
02:52:45,420 --> 02:52:48,860
He could be the best baseball coach or best neighbor anyone could have ever asked for.

2216
02:52:49,180 --> 02:52:50,500
That's not what we're here for today.

2217
02:52:50,500 --> 02:52:56,120
We're here to decide if we, as a city, are going to condone this type of behavior from any employee.

2218
02:52:56,620 --> 02:53:02,560
Replace the accused name with John Doe, and if John Doe had spoken about a colleague, superior, or subordinate,

2219
02:53:02,980 --> 02:53:08,740
the way we seen in the report and text messages from less than a year ago, what would you expect the consequence to be?

2220
02:53:09,220 --> 02:53:13,840
Last meeting, one commissioner told us what he'd expect to happen if he'd ever sent those type of messages,

2221
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:15,920
and we're not talking about just any employee.

2222
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:22,340
We're talking about a department head who's expected to be the pillar of integrity in our city and held to the highest standard.

2223
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:27,840
If you cannot see past your love for somebody, then place your loved one in the position of the victim.

2224
02:53:28,340 --> 02:53:33,160
If your spouse or daughter was the victim in this case, what punishment would you want for their cues?

2225
02:53:33,720 --> 02:53:36,060
It's a position no one had ever hoped to be in.

2226
02:53:36,520 --> 02:53:41,580
And we wouldn't be here if it weren't for the actions of a city employee who violated police department policy,

2227
02:53:41,580 --> 02:53:51,940
the city's policy on professional conduct, which states all employees are expected to conduct themselves in a manner to promote the best interest of the city department and other employees.

2228
02:53:52,420 --> 02:54:08,540
Positive conduct includes treating all employees with dignity, courtesy, refraining from conduct, behavior, and language deemed offensive or undesirable, or which is contrary to the city's best interest, being responsible and accountable for the employees own conduct.

2229
02:54:08,540 --> 02:54:14,940
Conduct result in an accelerated disciplinary action includes violation of respectful workplace or

2230
02:54:14,940 --> 02:54:21,500
ethical standard policies spread in malicious rumors or gossip in about another employee concerning their personal

2231
02:54:21,500 --> 02:54:26,480
character conduct or conduct and the market police department standards of conduct is

2232
02:54:26,480 --> 02:54:33,220
personal personnel should not engage in gossip detrimental to other personal the public or the department

2233
02:54:33,220 --> 02:54:39,920
veracity, personnel should not know only make false written or oral statements, and job actions

2234
02:54:39,920 --> 02:54:47,100
personnel should not instigate, lead or contribute to job actions that undermine supervisory authority.

2235
02:54:47,580 --> 02:54:51,840
It's time to stop the bleeding and put this to rest before the city's reputation is so badly

2236
02:54:51,840 --> 02:54:56,900
tarnished that no decent play will ever want to work for our city again. They'll know that nobody

2237
02:54:56,900 --> 02:55:02,760
here has their back or will protect them against discrimination harassment. And it's time to do the right

2238
02:55:02,760 --> 02:55:05,400
and noble thing for everyone. Thank you.

2239
02:55:13,860 --> 02:55:14,500
Good evening.

2240
02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:17,300
Scott Sawyer, Sergeant with the Montague Police Department.

2241
02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:20,060
You could speak into the mic.

2242
02:55:20,320 --> 02:55:21,160
Sure. Thank you.

2243
02:55:21,420 --> 02:55:22,380
Put it up. Sorry about that.

2244
02:55:23,380 --> 02:55:25,620
I never wanted to be involved in anything like this.

2245
02:55:25,840 --> 02:55:27,060
I appreciate your time this evening.

2246
02:55:28,500 --> 02:55:32,260
It's embarrassing to stand here and have to go through all of this.

2247
02:55:33,320 --> 02:55:35,400
Get your mental to the police department for sure.

2248
02:55:38,120 --> 02:55:43,100
You know, I know a lot of citizens have come up here and spoken and they all love chief

2249
02:55:43,100 --> 02:55:46,520
Alaska and I have no doubt that chief Alaska to them is a great guy.

2250
02:55:46,700 --> 02:55:47,440
He is too a lot of people.

2251
02:55:47,580 --> 02:55:50,220
I don't think that anybody is disputing he's a great guy.

2252
02:55:50,480 --> 02:55:51,300
It's not a matter of that.

2253
02:55:51,620 --> 02:55:55,080
It's about the type of leader he is and the type of leader that's needed in this police department.

2254
02:55:58,110 --> 02:56:02,550
People talk about, you know, give him six more months.

2255
02:56:03,250 --> 02:56:04,510
What's going to change in six months?

2256
02:56:05,830 --> 02:56:09,590
I don't think a lot of people, the citizens of the city, know how police department operates.

2257
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:11,030
This operates on a chain of command.

2258
02:56:12,490 --> 02:56:16,610
We had votes, there were three majors who don't have confidence in them.

2259
02:56:17,370 --> 02:56:20,210
Six out of seven lieutenants, who don't have confidence in them.

2260
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:24,370
I'm pretty certain all 12 sergeants don't have confidence in them.

2261
02:56:24,530 --> 02:56:27,330
Unfortunately, they weren't broken out, but we've certainly had conversations.

2262
02:56:28,270 --> 02:56:31,870
Then a vast majority of the rank and file don't have confidence in him.

2263
02:56:32,690 --> 02:56:49,150
So, I ask you, in six months, what's going to change Commissioner Schwartz when there are three majors who won't potentially follow commands, six out of seven lieutenants, 12 sergeants, many officers, and people say, well, just fire them, right?

2264
02:56:49,570 --> 02:56:50,550
Well, what will be left?

2265
02:56:51,030 --> 02:56:52,190
I understand they won't follow command.

2266
02:56:52,770 --> 02:56:53,390
I don't know.

2267
02:56:53,870 --> 02:56:54,710
I don't know.

2268
02:56:55,170 --> 02:56:58,450
I suppose it's a possibility, right?

2269
02:56:59,410 --> 02:57:09,350
So, so how is he supposed to fix things how will he how is he supposed to fix when you all have all those how is anybody supposed to fix if if well it you just answer the question.

2270
02:57:10,170 --> 02:57:14,010
I'm looking for the answer right you knew the answer let us know bring someone in from the outside.

2271
02:57:14,330 --> 02:57:24,510
Okay, maybe we will right under him so he can still see what's going on and he could be an earful for that person seems like you already have a plan sir because bringing somebody in is not going to solve the problem.

2272
02:57:24,510 --> 02:57:29,670
You're going to bring it? We heard it tonight. Again, I've been policing for 18 years, sir,

2273
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:34,910
and I actually have worked in several departments and I haven't seen a department so dysfunctional.

2274
02:57:35,670 --> 02:57:45,790
And that starts at the top. It starts at the top. Okay. So a police department works from the top

2275
02:57:45,790 --> 02:57:51,890
and without a leader that's trusted, we have enough problems with outside in the public.

2276
02:57:53,310 --> 02:57:59,410
You need to trust what you have inside and feel safe in there, and if you have a vast

2277
02:57:59,410 --> 02:58:03,150
majority of the police support and voting, no confidence, you know what the answer is.

2278
02:58:03,710 --> 02:58:04,950
So what's going to change in six months?

2279
02:58:05,990 --> 02:58:07,710
What metrics will you be measuring it by?

2280
02:58:14,280 --> 02:58:14,960
Thank you.

2281
02:58:24,250 --> 02:58:27,730
Just give me a second before you speak, because you've asked me.

2282
02:58:28,610 --> 02:58:31,890
You've asked me what would change in six months?

2283
02:58:31,890 --> 02:58:37,830
It would be my hope that friendships would be cut, whether it's upper management

2284
02:58:37,830 --> 02:58:44,130
or not. It would be my hope that it would be a wake-up call, something that should have

2285
02:58:44,130 --> 02:58:48,830
been done two and a half years ago. I'm not foolish, neither are any of the rest. It

2286
02:58:48,830 --> 02:58:54,670
would be my hope that a message was sent loud and clear that you either have this

2287
02:58:54,670 --> 02:58:59,630
amount of time to fix what you should have fixed before, or there's the door.

2288
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:07,320
I understand you are telling me certain things are not

2289
02:59:07,320 --> 02:59:15,020
for parable with the administration, but then I would also wonder if the rest of

2290
02:59:15,020 --> 02:59:20,560
the leadership on down to a certain point also needs to go, because I would like

2291
02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:27,140
to think that even though there's a protocol and a line that people who saw

2292
02:59:27,140 --> 02:59:54,120
something wrong would have said something regardless of where they were, and if they felt they couldn't speak to the city manager or the people above them, then I would have hoped that those people would have found my phone number, figured when I with my car was in the parking lot and said something to me, because if nothing else, I have a record of being tremendously fair with this.

2293
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:59,940
This is giving me as much as I had it as it's given you because you work there. You have no eye.

2294
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,720
How listening to all of this conflicts me, you have no clue of the headache I feel right now

2295
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:12,100
and where my blood pressure is because I don't know how to do a win-win on something that

2296
03:00:12,100 --> 03:00:18,060
has long passed that. Now it's simply a matter of who saves space and how we make the

2297
03:00:18,060 --> 03:00:24,120
department better. Do I know if he's the person that can do that in six months? No, I don't.

2298
03:00:24,120 --> 03:00:26,760
Do I think it's possible? Not even sure.

2299
03:00:28,300 --> 03:00:34,420
But I listen and do I think that 30 years in a job makes it necessarily

2300
03:00:35,020 --> 03:00:38,320
that you've been the rules to make it okay for those things to happen?

2301
03:00:38,520 --> 03:00:42,140
No, I don't either, because it makes me wonder about the 30 years.

2302
03:00:42,640 --> 03:00:45,300
Now, am I aware of some of the things that are out there?

2303
03:00:45,580 --> 03:00:48,180
No, I've never gotten to read them, but I will now,

2304
03:00:49,000 --> 03:00:53,540
because it didn't come across our desk and we're told we can't have this conversation.

2305
03:00:53,540 --> 03:00:58,360
and anyhow, because I assume it's pending, and therefore we can have this conversation.

2306
03:00:58,860 --> 03:01:04,220
It's been eye-opening in the last three weeks about some of this stuff, because you know

2307
03:01:04,220 --> 03:01:07,460
when no one complains, you assume everything is good.

2308
03:01:08,340 --> 03:01:15,820
Just as me sitting there for weekends of my life reading those three volumes after the fact

2309
03:01:15,820 --> 03:01:22,380
of our last chief, after the fact it's a little late, during the fact it would have been great.

2310
03:01:22,380 --> 03:01:26,800
So I think there's a responsibility from people in the department.

2311
03:01:27,540 --> 03:01:38,100
You see something, say something, but if you wait for two and a half years to go by, regardless of whether the text, and I know the text message is way sooner than that.

2312
03:01:38,520 --> 03:01:40,960
But if they're held on, they're held for a reason.

2313
03:01:41,960 --> 03:01:49,300
There's so much wrong with this that I can't figure out a way to heal any of you tonight.

2314
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:57,760
Because one way or the other, whether it's Get rid of him tonight, the union feels that

2315
03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:03,480
no one's heard them, whether it's keep him tonight. The citizens feel like they've,

2316
03:02:03,540 --> 03:02:07,860
what, see other way around. Get rid of him and the union feels that they have heard him, but

2317
03:02:07,860 --> 03:02:15,380
the citizens will feel that we're not weighing 30 years of work against some of that. Now, do I know

2318
03:02:15,380 --> 03:02:21,040
more, and do you know more than they know, yeah, not more than the union because this is

2319
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:26,880
all new, but it's a very difficult decision to make. And if you don't think that some

2320
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:31,980
people have already made it, I get it. Some of us are trying to figure out how this works

2321
03:02:31,980 --> 03:02:36,740
out, good for the people who have been maligned, who have felt that they have not been able

2322
03:02:36,740 --> 03:02:44,280
to move up for whatever reason because of a culture that was inherited. For me, this is

2323
03:02:45,160 --> 03:02:46,040
extraordinarily difficult.

2324
03:02:46,860 --> 03:02:50,660
Depending on who standing up there, I change my mind each time.

2325
03:02:52,040 --> 03:02:54,720
I don't know what to do with this at the end of this.

2326
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:59,060
The commissioners were in fairness, and I agree with you.

2327
03:02:59,080 --> 03:03:02,580
I understand your passion, but the commissioners, she had her light on commissioners.

2328
03:03:02,700 --> 03:03:03,920
Simone, if you wanted to go, we'll let him go.

2329
03:03:04,300 --> 03:03:04,880
I'll be quick.

2330
03:03:08,900 --> 03:03:11,220
If it sees something, say something.

2331
03:03:12,240 --> 03:03:17,540
I mean, look, someone saw something, they said something, multiple people have said something,

2332
03:03:17,760 --> 03:03:22,160
officers, I'll pause if you guys want to keep talking, I'll wait till you know, and I've

2333
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:22,640
got all night.

2334
03:03:25,660 --> 03:03:28,800
Why are they going to come forward if you're just going to shoot down what they're telling

2335
03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:29,060
you?

2336
03:03:29,480 --> 03:03:33,400
Why didn't they come forward and tell it to me when it was happening so that it wouldn't

2337
03:03:33,400 --> 03:03:33,900
have been shot?

2338
03:03:33,900 --> 03:03:35,580
They did, and we had an investigation.

2339
03:03:36,520 --> 03:03:36,540
No.

2340
03:03:36,860 --> 03:03:37,740
No, they didn't.

2341
03:03:38,240 --> 03:03:39,820
I read what somebody wrote.

2342
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:45,440
So he's one of the text messages was from September.

2343
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:51,400
Yeah, but this is one big one. This is a culture.

2344
03:03:51,900 --> 03:03:53,820
When somebody tells me I'm going to see more.

2345
03:03:54,160 --> 03:03:55,100
I'm going to see more.

2346
03:03:55,480 --> 03:03:58,720
When somebody tells me that now people will finally,

2347
03:03:58,920 --> 03:04:00,480
I asked the union,

2348
03:04:00,880 --> 03:04:04,200
why, if there were such problems going on,

2349
03:04:04,520 --> 03:04:08,560
why didn't we go through HR and use the grievance procedure?

2350
03:04:08,560 --> 03:04:12,180
And the answer I got is people in this profession don't like to do that.

2351
03:04:12,680 --> 03:04:16,740
You know, can I say that people in this profession in Marguerite don't trust your HR.

2352
03:04:17,420 --> 03:04:19,860
They don't trust them because you've stuck up for them in the past.

2353
03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:22,600
No, wait till I press the button and you say who you are.

2354
03:04:22,600 --> 03:04:23,820
But that's your answer right there.

2355
03:04:23,840 --> 03:04:24,380
But you can answer.

2356
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:29,800
They don't trust HR because they stuck up for the wrong people that were filing sexual

2357
03:04:29,800 --> 03:04:30,920
harassment complaints.

2358
03:04:31,140 --> 03:04:31,320
Okay.

2359
03:04:31,320 --> 03:04:31,960
You need a way.

2360
03:04:32,300 --> 03:04:33,160
You need a way.

2361
03:04:33,620 --> 03:04:36,980
I'm the last person that wants to be up here to speak and stay there.

2362
03:04:41,220 --> 03:04:42,220
You also left tonight.

2363
03:04:43,760 --> 03:04:44,120
Oh, Briana.

2364
03:04:44,120 --> 03:04:45,600
Got it now.

2365
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:47,600
She said something to me.

2366
03:04:48,180 --> 03:04:48,720
She outranks.

2367
03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:49,280
Hi, right now.

2368
03:04:49,460 --> 03:04:50,600
Here are

2369
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:53,940
anybody else who want.

2370
03:04:54,100 --> 03:04:55,340
Otherwise, thank you.

2371
03:04:55,340 --> 03:04:55,620
Done.

2372
03:04:56,600 --> 03:04:57,200
OK.

2373
03:04:57,200 --> 03:05:00,840
Okay, now your name and name.

2374
03:05:01,080 --> 03:05:02,720
Phil Horn, City of Marguerite resident,

2375
03:05:04,160 --> 03:05:07,300
and I am currently employed as a sergeant here on Road Patrol.

2376
03:05:10,070 --> 03:05:11,770
Chief Glasca is not a bad person.

2377
03:05:12,910 --> 03:05:14,350
I never release those text messages

2378
03:05:14,350 --> 03:05:16,050
because of his character of who he is

2379
03:05:16,050 --> 03:05:18,270
as a family man, baseball player, anything like that.

2380
03:05:18,990 --> 03:05:21,390
All right, no one here knows the facts.

2381
03:05:22,130 --> 03:05:24,710
None of you sitting in this room know the facts

2382
03:05:24,710 --> 03:05:25,730
because you're all his friend.

2383
03:05:26,370 --> 03:05:27,610
I was part of that group.

2384
03:05:27,610 --> 03:05:34,230
group. I was in the circle. He promoted me. He mentored me. He was my friend. We spoke

2385
03:05:34,230 --> 03:05:38,190
every day of the week. But you

2386
03:05:42,700 --> 03:05:46,140
guys don't know what it's like working here. My new employees

2387
03:05:46,140 --> 03:05:53,640
are miserable. They don't want to come to work. We're working on minimal. The admin upstairs

2388
03:05:53,640 --> 03:06:01,800
is fighting each other daily. And it's coming right down to our new employees. I have a new

2389
03:06:01,800 --> 03:06:06,680
second phase of FTO, and all she hears is screaming and kicking about how miserable

2390
03:06:06,680 --> 03:06:08,320
the officers are in this place.

2391
03:06:09,220 --> 03:06:10,540
So, isn't about him as a person.

2392
03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:13,360
You hear about his leadership.

2393
03:06:14,280 --> 03:06:15,740
You read the text messages.

2394
03:06:15,900 --> 03:06:18,040
Those were said, I didn't save those to blackmail.

2395
03:06:18,520 --> 03:06:20,280
You guys need to look up what blackmail is.

2396
03:06:20,840 --> 03:06:22,960
I have not gained anything from this.

2397
03:06:24,580 --> 03:06:27,460
You guys also need to look up what insubordinate means.

2398
03:06:28,000 --> 03:06:29,120
I'm going to read you something.

2399
03:06:29,120 --> 03:06:36,800
is to finance of authority. It's refusal to obey orders. There's an open door policy

2400
03:06:36,800 --> 03:06:40,480
here with our administration. You can go into any one of their offices and talk to them

2401
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:41,120
all you want.

2402
03:06:43,870 --> 03:06:50,050
After Sergeant Blanton took her lieutenant oral interview test, she was

2403
03:06:50,050 --> 03:06:56,890
able to express how she felt about that test. And this is what was said. It's very disappointing

2404
03:06:56,890 --> 03:07:01,170
pointing that the other two were informed and I wasn't given the same courtesy.

2405
03:07:01,390 --> 03:07:06,130
The other two was now Lieutenant Bill Schneider, who is my direct supervisor and Sergeant

2406
03:07:06,130 --> 03:07:06,550
Cobain.

2407
03:07:07,650 --> 03:07:09,350
Blame has always pointed to other people.

2408
03:07:10,130 --> 03:07:12,350
Why didn't I pass, she asked the chief?

2409
03:07:13,290 --> 03:07:17,310
Honestly, when I saw the panel, I knew it wasn't going to be impartial.

2410
03:07:17,650 --> 03:07:18,810
That was spoken about today.

2411
03:07:19,570 --> 03:07:21,730
It was the chief and his majors inside that interview.

2412
03:07:21,870 --> 03:07:26,170
They controlled the way the interview went because she passed the same interview on the

2413
03:07:26,170 --> 03:07:32,190
last time and he promoted her twice. Two times she was told that she was promoted to

2414
03:07:32,190 --> 03:07:37,330
Lieutenant and it never happened because there's a friendship problem here. There's a circle here

2415
03:07:37,330 --> 03:07:38,930
that I removed myself from.

2416
03:07:41,600 --> 03:07:45,200
I knew it wasn't going to be impartial. I have a lot to say but I'm

2417
03:07:45,200 --> 03:07:49,120
so angry and disappointed that I can't find the words I want to say at the moment.

2418
03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:57,980
That's what she

2419
03:07:57,980 --> 03:07:59,360
professional and insubordinate.

2420
03:08:01,270 --> 03:08:05,950
You will meet with me and Major Palma on Tuesday at 4 p.m. in my office.

2421
03:08:07,450 --> 03:08:09,690
That is why I released these text messages.

2422
03:08:10,470 --> 03:08:15,370
I gave her power to fight someone that accused her of being insubordinate.

2423
03:08:15,910 --> 03:08:21,910
How is her expressing her opinion on how she felt about his interview process in

2424
03:08:21,910 --> 03:08:22,410
subordinate?

2425
03:08:27,480 --> 03:08:28,780
Those messages are real.

2426
03:08:29,320 --> 03:08:30,040
They were said.

2427
03:08:32,400 --> 03:08:35,700
The women here in our police department do not have a fair shot.

2428
03:08:36,700 --> 03:08:41,380
You need to hire someone that knows how to run a proper police department.

2429
03:08:42,320 --> 03:08:45,780
Stop with the, I'm going to give them 30 days or I'm going to give them 90 days.

2430
03:08:45,960 --> 03:08:50,440
I don't want to see the guy who's his job, but he's not fit to lead this agency.

2431
03:08:51,340 --> 03:08:52,520
Bill, can you sum it up?

2432
03:08:54,560 --> 03:08:55,240
Have a good night.

2433
03:08:55,720 --> 03:08:56,940
Stay there for a minute, Phil.

2434
03:08:57,080 --> 03:08:57,720
No, I don't want to.

2435
03:08:57,760 --> 03:08:58,460
I have a question.

2436
03:08:58,460 --> 03:08:59,020
I don't want to.

2437
03:08:59,220 --> 03:09:03,220
There's so much favoritism and there's so many problems going on.

2438
03:09:03,220 --> 03:09:07,300
here that all you guys want to listen, you guys want to protect your friend, they get it.

2439
03:09:07,540 --> 03:09:12,120
Get out of that circle, it is, it is, it is, it is you haven't coaching with you.

2440
03:09:12,520 --> 03:09:15,360
You're not in partial, you haven't coaching with you.

2441
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:19,260
They all moved up because of people they knew, and that's what it was.

2442
03:09:19,480 --> 03:09:20,460
There were games played then.

2443
03:09:20,460 --> 03:09:24,300
It's not, there was a problem here, there was a problem in this department, I didn't give

2444
03:09:24,300 --> 03:09:28,760
a statement to Rhea, okay, I spoke to her briefly on the phone, I didn't, you want

2445
03:09:28,760 --> 03:09:31,980
investigation, authorize Reya to do a full investigation.

2446
03:09:31,980 --> 03:09:35,660
I'm telling you right now, you guys won't be having this conversation

2447
03:09:35,660 --> 03:09:36,320
afterwards.

2448
03:09:36,660 --> 03:09:39,220
So we're discussing the investigative report we have.

2449
03:09:39,340 --> 03:09:41,700
That's the preliminary analysis that you held on to.

2450
03:09:41,840 --> 03:09:42,360
They're not even.

2451
03:09:42,600 --> 03:09:43,480
You said a text message.

2452
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:47,180
We saw you said, hey, you're going to use them.

2453
03:09:47,380 --> 03:09:48,180
Thank you.

2454
03:09:48,180 --> 03:09:48,820
Trust me, Mayor.

2455
03:09:48,920 --> 03:09:51,560
Trust me, Mayor, there's a lot more that you need to hear, okay?

2456
03:09:51,800 --> 03:09:52,760
Stuff involving you.

2457
03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:53,740
But I didn't give those.

2458
03:09:53,900 --> 03:09:55,120
I didn't give those out.

2459
03:09:55,200 --> 03:09:55,520
For what?

2460
03:09:55,800 --> 03:09:57,660
There's stuff involving you in my text messages.

2461
03:09:57,660 --> 03:09:59,060
They haven't been released.

2462
03:09:59,860 --> 03:10:05,340
I don't save messages on my phone or save in a cloud automatically. It's called technology.

2463
03:10:05,820 --> 03:10:09,120
I can scroll right now. I can scroll right now and go back two years.

2464
03:10:09,400 --> 03:10:14,280
I go back two years. These were not saved to blackmail anybody. I did not benefit from this.

2465
03:10:14,820 --> 03:10:18,700
This is causing me nothing, but probably live in the city. I work in the city.

2466
03:10:19,040 --> 03:10:22,800
And now I'm having a hard time seeing the city because I exposed people.

2467
03:10:28,040 --> 03:10:34,560
I'm going to keep going. Okay. I'm going to keep going. I'm going to release my entire phone to everybody. Okay. Good.

2468
03:10:35,140 --> 03:10:35,580
Good.

2469
03:10:46,700 --> 03:10:48,580
I wish I could have asked the questions.

2470
03:10:49,200 --> 03:10:59,190
Good evening everyone. My name is Katina and I'm a sergeant on rope patrol. I've been working in the city of Margate for 18 years.

2471
03:11:00,530 --> 03:11:06,310
And I too like Joe Glasgow as a person, but there are many different ways to lead.

2472
03:11:07,250 --> 03:11:12,230
Leadership is about providing an environment for those under you to learn and blossom

2473
03:11:12,230 --> 03:11:16,170
so that after you leave, the place continues to evolve.

2474
03:11:17,740 --> 03:11:22,810
It's also about taking care of the people in your charge, and this is not being done.

2475
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:28,060
He does not support the supervisors, which is a big problem.

2476
03:11:29,040 --> 03:11:33,900
Specifically, when he creates an environment that allows officers, which are his friends,

2477
03:11:34,780 --> 03:11:37,580
to jump chain a command because they have a complaint.

2478
03:11:38,800 --> 03:11:43,860
When supervisors try to implement accountability for those officers, so that the community

2479
03:11:43,860 --> 03:11:46,840
receives the proper service from us,

2480
03:11:51,180 --> 03:11:53,780
and also blossoms on camaraderie between coworkers,

2481
03:11:54,720 --> 03:11:59,020
on numerous occasions, if the officer doesn't agree, all they have to do is send him a text

2482
03:11:59,020 --> 03:11:59,440
message.

2483
03:12:00,260 --> 03:12:04,720
He then shuts it down, ultimately undermining the supervisors and causing a lot of confusion

2484
03:12:05,320 --> 03:12:07,640
with how a proper rank and file should go.

2485
03:12:08,680 --> 03:12:11,040
This lowers the bar for overall police work.

2486
03:12:11,500 --> 03:12:13,100
This affects the community.

2487
03:12:14,360 --> 03:12:17,940
And the future of how police should be expected to work.

2488
03:12:18,980 --> 03:12:21,620
He continues to undermine and discredit those under him.

2489
03:12:22,400 --> 03:12:23,240
This is not leadership.

2490
03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:24,760
This is destruction.

2491
03:12:26,040 --> 03:12:28,720
He is not honest and he does not take accountability.

2492
03:12:30,520 --> 03:12:34,820
This has created a tone within the department and instead of inspiring officers to do better,

2493
03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:36,900
it has shut officers down.

2494
03:12:37,960 --> 03:12:44,640
And this kind of leadership creates mass confusion and because there's no trust, it creates a dog

2495
03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:47,060
eat dog world amongst the department.

2496
03:12:48,700 --> 03:12:52,620
This will be tough to repair as an agency.

2497
03:12:53,120 --> 03:12:57,540
And a good leader would not allow this mockery and embarrassment to ever take place.

2498
03:12:58,560 --> 03:12:59,760
That's all I have to say, thank you.

2499
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:00,420
Thank you.

2500
03:13:04,420 --> 03:13:06,360
Is there anybody else from the public that would like to speak?

2501
03:13:07,620 --> 03:13:07,760
All right.

2502
03:13:08,640 --> 03:13:09,660
You want to take a break?

2503
03:13:10,600 --> 03:13:15,800
All right, we're going to take a break, a 10 minute recess and we'll come back in 10 minutes, meeting recess.

2504
03:13:19,100 --> 03:13:21,140
Good evening, I am Sergeant Crabtree.

2505
03:13:21,140 --> 03:13:25,100
I work for the Market Police Department and I am in charge of the traffic division.

2506
03:13:25,940 --> 03:13:28,900
I just had a few things I wanted to speak about, I'm sorry, I'm late.

2507
03:13:29,740 --> 03:13:34,180
First thing I wanted to go about is I heard a bunch of comments go on about how Chief

2508
03:13:34,180 --> 03:13:35,960
Glasgow has been here for 30 years.

2509
03:13:36,620 --> 03:13:39,000
That is correct, and I commend him for that time.

2510
03:13:39,240 --> 03:13:45,020
However, that was said in a manner that we should take that in consideration of keeping him.

2511
03:13:45,640 --> 03:13:50,680
And personally, I think that that should also prove that he should have known better than

2512
03:13:50,680 --> 03:13:58,500
to do the actions that he did. I also personally prior to the chief being the chief he was a captain

2513
03:13:58,500 --> 03:14:07,560
and I overheard him speaking derogatory remarks about Lieutenant Eller at the time she was my direct

2514
03:14:07,560 --> 03:14:14,900
supervisor and this was in a group setting where he was speaking to a sergeant and I was present

2515
03:14:14,900 --> 03:14:16,400
and he was aware that I was present.

2516
03:14:16,960 --> 03:14:21,760
So he has a history of speaking about people's direct supervisors

2517
03:14:21,760 --> 03:14:25,340
in a derogatory manner to their subordinates.

2518
03:14:25,760 --> 03:14:28,240
Because in my opinion, yes, the contents

2519
03:14:28,240 --> 03:14:30,980
of the text messages are a major issue,

2520
03:14:31,320 --> 03:14:32,980
but that's only one of the issues.

2521
03:14:33,180 --> 03:14:36,080
The other issues are the fact that this,

2522
03:14:36,240 --> 03:14:40,400
he was speaking to Lieutenant Ellers subordinate.

2523
03:14:41,020 --> 03:14:43,260
That was Sergeant Horn.

2524
03:14:43,260 --> 03:14:48,720
She was Sergeant Horn's direct supervisor and he was speaking about her in a

2525
03:14:48,720 --> 03:14:55,460
derogatory manner. And in my opinion as being a supervisor, if I knew that my

2526
03:14:55,460 --> 03:14:59,980
supervisor or my chief was talking derogatory remarks about me.

2527
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:08,080
Along with the fact that he also made derogatory remarks about several different supervisors in our department to Sergeant Horn.

2528
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:29,520
This is not an example of a leadership. Everybody has said here that Chief Glasgow is a good guy. He is. He's a very nice guy. I've never had an issue with Chief Glasgow. However, his lack of leadership has affected this department greatly. And it is trickled down to even my level in the fact that

2529
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:39,680
With the lack of chain of command, it takes away from my authority because my guys or the guys in the

2530
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:44,160
department feel that they can just go directly to him as if asking for a favor.

2531
03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:51,240
And they know that he will either grant it or he will listen to what they have to say and make

2532
03:15:51,240 --> 03:15:58,840
promises. There's leadership is about communication, clear concise communication, and there's not clear

2533
03:15:58,840 --> 03:16:04,160
concise communication in this department. And you guys want to give him six months to fix it.

2534
03:16:05,220 --> 03:16:10,160
I don't even think an outside person can fix it in six months. However, I do think that only

2535
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:14,160
an outside person would be able to fix the problems that we have in this department.

2536
03:16:16,060 --> 03:16:20,360
Sergeant Scophani didn't get to finish his speech and so I like to try to finish it for him.

2537
03:16:20,860 --> 03:16:27,340
Morales at an all-time low and the department of our officers and wait, hold on.

2538
03:16:27,340 --> 03:16:32,880
and the department of our officers through other departments is indicative of a deep-seated

2539
03:16:32,880 --> 03:16:38,540
dissatisfaction that demands immediate intervention. Despite irrefutable evidence, the city has

2540
03:16:38,540 --> 03:16:43,980
failed to provide a meaningful remedy leading victims of discrimination and misconduct stranded

2541
03:16:43,980 --> 03:16:51,400
in a sea of governmental inaction. Marisano, will you continue turning a blind eye to the two EEOC

2542
03:16:51,400 --> 03:16:56,340
complaints lodged against Chief Galaska? While you persist in disregarding the two lawsuits

2543
03:16:56,340 --> 03:17:01,400
it's arriving from his discriminatory practices where you overlook look the manipulated

2544
03:17:01,400 --> 03:17:03,160
promotional processes.

2545
03:17:03,700 --> 03:17:08,200
Will you dismiss the pain and embarrassment, disappointment, and despair felt by the men

2546
03:17:08,200 --> 03:17:09,760
and women of the Marguerite Police Department?

2547
03:17:10,180 --> 03:17:13,760
Will you disregard disrespectful and discriminatory text messages?

2548
03:17:14,140 --> 03:17:19,160
And finally, will you ignore the findings of the independent investigation conducted by

2549
03:17:19,160 --> 03:17:24,860
the law form you hired, which concluded that chief Kalaska has created a harassing and

2550
03:17:24,860 --> 03:17:30,040
cell work environment. Despite undemiable evidence, Mayor Rosano and this city have failed

2551
03:17:30,040 --> 03:17:35,200
to take action in providing meaningful remedy, leading victims of discrimination and misconduct,

2552
03:17:36,140 --> 03:17:41,020
neglected and abandoned. I employ Mayor Rosano and the commission to heed the call for transparency,

2553
03:17:41,420 --> 03:17:47,900
accountability, and ethical leadership. It is the incumbent upon us to prioritize the well-being

2554
03:17:47,900 --> 03:17:52,900
of the community and the integrity of the police department over personal loyalties and friendships.

2555
03:17:52,900 --> 03:18:04,840
Let us rise and let us rise above the bias and work together to heal our broken department by removing chief glass can from his position of authority.

2556
03:18:05,580 --> 03:18:09,760
Also, if chief glass cared about the city in this department, he would resign.

2557
03:18:10,360 --> 03:18:11,060
Thank you.

2558
03:18:11,420 --> 03:18:11,780
Thank you.

2559
03:18:14,320 --> 03:18:16,360
Anybody else for public discussion on this item?

2560
03:18:17,340 --> 03:18:18,920
Now, okay, we have a motion on the table.

2561
03:18:18,920 --> 03:18:20,440
when we have come back to the commissioners.

2562
03:18:20,900 --> 03:18:21,300
What's that?

2563
03:18:22,500 --> 03:18:23,520
Is there people on Zoom?

2564
03:18:26,780 --> 03:18:27,900
Is there a lot of people on Zoom?

2565
03:18:28,180 --> 03:18:28,940
I'm going to ask the commission,

2566
03:18:28,940 --> 03:18:30,700
you guys want to hear them from Zoom?

2567
03:18:30,900 --> 03:18:31,200
Is that okay?

2568
03:18:32,800 --> 03:18:33,700
You got it, no problem.

2569
03:18:34,500 --> 03:18:36,240
All right, we're going to open it up to the Zoom calls

2570
03:18:37,800 --> 03:18:38,120
and...

2571
03:18:38,120 --> 03:18:39,280
We have Margate Mardi.

2572
03:18:40,040 --> 03:18:40,680
Margate Mardi.

2573
03:18:40,900 --> 03:18:42,040
It has to have a name on it.

2574
03:18:42,440 --> 03:18:43,620
No, go to the next one.

2575
03:18:48,190 --> 03:18:51,730
You want to speak on Zoom if you can hear us.

2576
03:18:51,830 --> 03:18:53,030
You have to put your name down

2577
03:18:53,770 --> 03:18:56,290
and we'll let you speak, but good.

2578
03:18:58,250 --> 03:18:59,110
That's a person.

2579
03:18:59,410 --> 03:18:59,490
Good.

2580
03:19:02,040 --> 03:19:03,200
Some people don't live here.

2581
03:19:05,410 --> 03:19:06,610
Tell them it's fine.

2582
03:19:08,070 --> 03:19:08,250
Hello.

2583
03:19:08,810 --> 03:19:09,670
Sam, can you hear us?

2584
03:19:10,230 --> 03:19:10,850
Yeah, I hear you guys.

2585
03:19:11,250 --> 03:19:11,830
All right, good, Sam.

2586
03:19:12,830 --> 03:19:16,710
As you guys know, I was a police officer at City of Market

2587
03:19:17,230 --> 03:19:19,970
and I'm super proud of all the officers over there

2588
03:19:19,970 --> 03:19:21,630
for speaking their mind.

2589
03:19:21,630 --> 03:19:28,850
And my career ended because of Joe, it was a hard decision and every day I regret it.

2590
03:19:30,970 --> 03:19:36,810
So if you guys can really understand the officers are in real pain, the reason I left my

2591
03:19:36,810 --> 03:19:39,970
career, I would have been there till this day, you know.

2592
03:19:40,310 --> 03:19:42,030
So that's all I had to say.

2593
03:19:42,450 --> 03:19:44,730
And I'm proud of the Market Police Officers out of there.

2594
03:19:46,570 --> 03:19:47,270
Thank you, Sam.

2595
03:19:49,860 --> 03:19:50,200
Who's next?

2596
03:19:52,750 --> 03:19:57,230
John, can you hear us?

2597
03:19:58,590 --> 03:19:58,910
Yes.

2598
03:20:03,010 --> 03:20:06,790
Unfortunately, you folks have just become nationwide.

2599
03:20:08,490 --> 03:20:09,090
Unfortunately.

2600
03:20:09,630 --> 03:20:11,570
And it's a shame that it's come to it.

2601
03:20:11,730 --> 03:20:15,330
But at this, you guys aren't seeing the biggest picture here.

2602
03:20:16,290 --> 03:20:19,370
What you're seeing is you're having all these offices come forward.

2603
03:20:19,370 --> 03:20:26,570
And you're damned if you're doing damned if you're done at this point, but you're trying to be quite a 30-year career

2604
03:20:27,130 --> 03:20:32,990
With an entire department and you got those you guys have no way to go. You're in a corner and

2605
03:20:34,750 --> 03:20:35,270
essentially

2606
03:20:36,490 --> 03:20:40,310
The right thing here would be to let the chief go

2607
03:20:41,170 --> 03:20:47,310
You're not gonna change this in six months. You're not gonna change it in a year. I

2608
03:20:47,310 --> 03:20:48,270
Mean, that's just fact

2609
03:20:49,770 --> 03:20:55,030
Okay, you kidn yourself. If you think this is gonna go away, you heard that the union

2610
03:20:55,610 --> 03:21:02,010
President or the union rep tell you that there's more stuff coming out. There's more suits that are

2611
03:21:02,010 --> 03:21:08,990
Probably gonna end up getting filed filed against the town. Well the city. I'm sorry. It's you know, it's unavoidable

2612
03:21:10,250 --> 03:21:17,490
You know and the people that are in the room that are for the two second around it's gonna cry to your pockets

2613
03:21:18,010 --> 03:21:22,250
I don't think you guys realize you're gonna end up having to pay for the lawyers to defend him and

2614
03:21:23,110 --> 03:21:25,490
If you guys lose it's still gonna cost you

2615
03:21:26,650 --> 03:21:28,430
You're in a no-win situation here

2616
03:21:30,050 --> 03:21:34,910
You know and at the end of the day you should do what's right the chief made the text messages

2617
03:21:34,910 --> 03:21:39,170
He admitted to it. You should have never done it and if I sit near go on

2618
03:21:39,170 --> 03:21:42,330
Well, you shouldn't have put in writing that's more of us condoning

2619
03:21:43,030 --> 03:21:44,930
That's wrong. You're all wrong.

2620
03:21:47,020 --> 03:21:49,120
You need to fix the problem and the problem is

2621
03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:58,480
achieved. If you've got 75% of your boss gone, we don't want them. There's an issue here and I suggest

2622
03:21:58,480 --> 03:22:04,160
you get rid of the chief. Thank you. Thank you. Who's next?

2623
03:22:09,440 --> 03:22:10,480
Eddie, Margate resident?

2624
03:22:13,690 --> 03:22:14,650
Eddie, do you have a last name?

2625
03:22:17,000 --> 03:22:17,740
Can you hear us, Eddie?

2626
03:22:21,160 --> 03:22:24,120
Yeah, I can hear you. All right, Eddie, just give us your full name, please.

2627
03:22:24,120 --> 03:22:26,840
Is this the steady because the far off?

2628
03:22:27,340 --> 03:22:28,280
I get it.

2629
03:22:29,060 --> 03:22:30,960
Well, number one, I want to apologize

2630
03:22:30,960 --> 03:22:33,060
for not being there because of my health issues.

2631
03:22:34,260 --> 03:22:36,220
But with that being said,

2632
03:22:37,560 --> 03:22:40,920
this whole situation that has happened,

2633
03:22:41,180 --> 03:22:45,240
it's been for seven years since even before Dana Watson.

2634
03:22:46,800 --> 03:22:50,620
You can't expect Chief Glasgow to fix this problem

2635
03:22:51,460 --> 03:22:52,760
in this short amount of time

2636
03:22:52,760 --> 03:22:55,520
and that he's been there, especially with no help.

2637
03:22:56,460 --> 03:22:59,320
I've known Joe for a very long time,

2638
03:23:00,280 --> 03:23:02,460
working with him with Safety Fest

2639
03:23:02,460 --> 03:23:04,360
and through the Cert Program.

2640
03:23:05,360 --> 03:23:09,960
He has been an exemplary police officer,

2641
03:23:10,740 --> 03:23:13,880
captain, and my opinion chief.

2642
03:23:14,900 --> 03:23:20,720
I believe that Vice Mayor Swords had a good idea

2643
03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:27,900
with the six months, I also think a one year would be better because he's not

2644
03:23:27,900 --> 03:23:33,820
going to be able to completely fix the problem in six months. My wife and I

2645
03:23:33,820 --> 03:23:41,040
both feel the same way that a third year career should not end because of one

2646
03:23:41,040 --> 03:23:47,060
bad mistake. I don't know what the other text messages that other

2647
03:23:47,060 --> 03:23:54,060
commissioners are talking about but in my opinion he should have enough time to try

2648
03:23:54,060 --> 03:23:58,880
to fix this. I do appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. I hope you're feeling

2649
03:23:58,880 --> 03:24:00,500
well. Who's next?

2650
03:24:03,220 --> 03:24:04,120
Andrea, can you hear us?

2651
03:24:07,640 --> 03:24:10,960
Andrea? Hello? Yeah. All right. Just say

2652
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:17,460
your name and then go ahead. Hi, Andrea Grunfelder, Marguerite resident. I never thought that

2653
03:24:17,460 --> 03:24:20,720
I would find myself agreeing with Antonio Arcerio.

2654
03:24:20,840 --> 03:24:24,460
I think he's also as surprised as I am, but he's right.

2655
03:24:24,940 --> 03:24:30,560
I mean, Chief Galaska has been the Chief for three years,

2656
03:24:30,820 --> 03:24:34,140
and he hasn't managed to change the culture to this point.

2657
03:24:34,300 --> 03:24:36,580
What makes you think that another six months,

2658
03:24:36,860 --> 03:24:38,720
he's going to be able to make any changes.

2659
03:24:41,360 --> 03:24:45,520
You've heard the union captain get up and say that

2660
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:47,100
they're going to have more complaints

2661
03:24:47,100 --> 03:24:51,000
and we're going to lose officers if we don't make a change.

2662
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:57,080
Why risk losing more officers and how are we going to replace them?

2663
03:24:57,260 --> 03:25:01,140
Who's going to want to work in a department that has this kind of culture?

2664
03:25:03,590 --> 03:25:07,850
You're saying that the text messages were sent between friends.

2665
03:25:09,230 --> 03:25:14,090
That may be true. We've all made mistakes. We've all said things that we regret.

2666
03:25:14,090 --> 03:25:16,690
but our actions have consequences.

2667
03:25:17,210 --> 03:25:19,090
If you're at the top of the chain,

2668
03:25:19,950 --> 03:25:23,590
you have the responsibility to lead

2669
03:25:23,590 --> 03:25:25,010
and set the example,

2670
03:25:25,270 --> 03:25:27,890
and you should be set or held to a higher standard.

2671
03:25:31,800 --> 03:25:34,600
I stand with Lieutenant Moreno

2672
03:25:34,600 --> 03:25:38,420
and the rest of the Margate police officers

2673
03:25:38,420 --> 03:25:41,420
who work so hard to protect us

2674
03:25:41,420 --> 03:25:43,220
and keep us safe on a daily basis

2675
03:25:43,220 --> 03:25:44,960
and if they don't have confidence

2676
03:25:44,960 --> 03:25:49,060
and the chief's ability to lead, then why keep him?

2677
03:25:50,060 --> 03:25:55,260
I also think that Mayor Rosano should recuse himself from voting on this issue

2678
03:25:55,260 --> 03:25:58,580
due to his personal relationship with the chief.

2679
03:25:59,460 --> 03:26:03,460
Thank you for letting me have this time to voice my opinion and have a good night.

2680
03:26:04,020 --> 03:26:07,620
Thank you. Guys, just to let you know, Joe lives two houses down for me.

2681
03:26:08,060 --> 03:26:09,340
I've been to his house probably once.

2682
03:26:09,980 --> 03:26:12,800
I've never been out to dinner with them, never hung out with him and his wife.

2683
03:26:12,800 --> 03:26:17,620
That's it. There's no relationship. So I'm going to just clarify that.

2684
03:26:18,740 --> 03:26:19,880
All right, is anybody else?

2685
03:26:25,180 --> 03:26:26,240
A.R., can you hear us?

2686
03:26:29,390 --> 03:26:29,650
A.R.

2687
03:26:32,720 --> 03:26:32,960
On mute.

2688
03:26:36,020 --> 03:26:36,660
All right, next.

2689
03:26:38,220 --> 03:26:38,800
Who's that?

2690
03:26:43,880 --> 03:26:45,980
G. Cremor, you there? It's a joke.

2691
03:26:48,300 --> 03:26:48,540
Z.

2692
03:26:53,630 --> 03:26:58,670
Okay. Anybody else? Now? Nobody else on Zoom?

2693
03:26:58,670 --> 03:27:02,190
Okay. Okay. We have two. What's that?

2694
03:27:04,190 --> 03:27:07,810
All right. We have two commissioners' lights, commissioner Simone.

2695
03:27:13,100 --> 03:27:18,100
I just want to clarify something when I was asked earlier that I read Shaw's reports.

2696
03:27:18,940 --> 03:27:22,280
Okay. During the investigation, I did read the reports.

2697
03:27:22,780 --> 03:27:30,280
When I answered no, I did not. It was to the three volumes that commissioner Schwartz

2698
03:27:30,280 --> 03:27:34,740
This keeps talking about that was after the investigation was closed, but I certainly

2699
03:27:34,740 --> 03:27:39,020
did my homework during the investigation like I do with everything.

2700
03:27:39,620 --> 03:27:42,300
So I just wanted to clarify that for the record.

2701
03:27:43,360 --> 03:27:45,640
And I also would like to make two motions.

2702
03:27:46,900 --> 03:27:53,020
One, in the investigative report, the investigative stated that if the commission expanded the

2703
03:27:53,020 --> 03:27:58,120
scope of the investigation, that she would confirm the veracity of a statement that chief

2704
03:27:58,120 --> 03:28:04,700
made to a sergeant texting quote he had to promote her, I'd like an investigation

2705
03:28:06,090 --> 03:28:15,400
to be expanded on that and also the investigator also recommended an additional investigation

2706
03:28:15,400 --> 03:28:21,380
be conducted due to the potential gender bias within the department. I also would like to go

2707
03:28:21,380 --> 03:28:30,360
with an additional investigation on that point of order for the city attorney. Should

2708
03:28:30,360 --> 03:28:35,640
we vote on this motion first since they're like completely separate, but I do agree

2709
03:28:35,640 --> 03:28:42,080
and I will second that one when that comes up, and I just want more thing because I believe

2710
03:28:42,080 --> 03:28:47,060
the is the investigators still here? Yes. I'm sure I'm sure we're paying her good money

2711
03:28:47,060 --> 03:28:49,780
We need to sit here so I think that we should have her come up as well.

2712
03:28:50,580 --> 03:28:50,940
What?

2713
03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:53,560
Maybe on the second topic.

2714
03:28:54,200 --> 03:28:54,780
She will own what?

2715
03:28:55,280 --> 03:28:57,020
On the issue, Joel.

2716
03:28:57,120 --> 03:29:00,720
First of all, in order for her to move on with the next investigation,

2717
03:29:00,720 --> 03:29:03,800
we're not going to handle that separately because we have a motion on the table right now.

2718
03:29:03,880 --> 03:29:04,480
That's what I'm saying.

2719
03:29:04,600 --> 03:29:05,020
We should do this.

2720
03:29:05,540 --> 03:29:10,120
I'm on the favor of what Vice Mayor Schwartz said originally.

2721
03:29:10,820 --> 03:29:14,120
And if we're going to do that, I think we all need to work collaboratively,

2722
03:29:14,120 --> 03:29:19,580
meeting the union, the officers, the chief, the staff, the commission.

2723
03:29:20,240 --> 03:29:21,700
So I understand where you're going with this.

2724
03:29:22,060 --> 03:29:25,140
You and Simone won another investigation, you want more stuff to come out.

2725
03:29:25,220 --> 03:29:25,660
I get it.

2726
03:29:25,700 --> 03:29:26,740
There's probably a ton more.

2727
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:27,540
I get it.

2728
03:29:27,820 --> 03:29:30,720
But it's been there, and it's still going to go on.

2729
03:29:31,020 --> 03:29:32,240
This is a never ending battle.

2730
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:36,860
There's no answer to this, so we're just trying to come to a reasonable answer.

2731
03:29:37,400 --> 03:29:41,620
So right now there's a motion on the table for the chief.

2732
03:29:44,060 --> 03:29:46,320
I was going

2733
03:29:51,320 --> 03:29:58,780
to answer you unless, you know, you don't want another investigation, but unless

2734
03:29:58,780 --> 03:29:59,900
this is addressed.

2735
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,860
The chief, so we can't go that first, David. Yes, that's what I was asking as well.

2736
03:30:11,820 --> 03:30:21,240
Joanne, is she still wrong? I was going to answer you, unless, you know, you don't want another investigation, but unless this is addressed, how is it going to be corrected?

2737
03:30:24,900 --> 03:30:34,520
I don't know if we can correct it, Joanne. I know we could probably be proactive and look forward to new policy and trying to fix the problems, try to make the problems stop.

2738
03:30:34,520 --> 03:30:37,680
but we already heard from the union rap and Sergeant Horn.

2739
03:30:38,100 --> 03:30:39,880
They're going to keep continuing with these messages.

2740
03:30:40,640 --> 03:30:41,980
They're going to keep going and then what happens?

2741
03:30:42,060 --> 03:30:44,640
You get rid of the chief and then all of a sudden they stop.

2742
03:30:45,300 --> 03:30:47,580
But what happens to all the text messages that they do have still

2743
03:30:47,980 --> 03:30:49,140
that affect other people?

2744
03:30:49,340 --> 03:30:50,100
They just go away.

2745
03:30:51,620 --> 03:30:54,140
So it's a no-win situation here.

2746
03:30:54,180 --> 03:30:56,180
We're trying to figure out what is best for the city,

2747
03:30:56,380 --> 03:30:58,620
for the residents, for the police department.

2748
03:30:59,360 --> 03:31:01,020
I don't disagree with you as far.

2749
03:31:01,020 --> 03:31:07,500
I think we should vote on this issue first, but I will second her motion after we vote on this.

2750
03:31:08,660 --> 03:31:13,580
It sounds like it's going to go a different way than her and I are speaking about.

2751
03:31:14,140 --> 03:31:17,200
So we'll address that once the next round comes.

2752
03:31:17,880 --> 03:31:23,980
But I think that if there is some type of probationary period, we do need to...

2753
03:31:23,980 --> 03:31:27,260
I don't want more things to come out.

2754
03:31:27,800 --> 03:31:29,400
It's a bad look for the city.

2755
03:31:29,400 --> 03:31:34,020
But in order to fix problems, we need to know what the problem is.

2756
03:31:34,980 --> 03:31:51,700
So we probably should have the investigation continued so that we can get all of this stuff laid out so that we can set goals and objectives and work with the union and whoever we need to work with to fix whatever the issue is.

2757
03:31:52,620 --> 03:31:54,760
So it's not that I want dirt to come out.

2758
03:31:54,940 --> 03:31:56,600
This is the last thing I wanted to do.

2759
03:31:57,960 --> 03:32:07,920
So if you read the report, the closing statement by the person investigating it said there's

2760
03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:08,780
more problems there.

2761
03:32:09,540 --> 03:32:10,340
She knows that.

2762
03:32:10,580 --> 03:32:11,300
We all know that.

2763
03:32:11,560 --> 03:32:13,120
I mean, how deep do you want to go with this?

2764
03:32:13,860 --> 03:32:17,500
I mean, if we were to remove the chief, would you still want the investigation to go on?

2765
03:32:18,780 --> 03:32:24,600
It's, we're going to have to work together on this, just to give it a little bit of a

2766
03:32:24,600 --> 03:32:31,720
I'm not, there's probably other bad actors in fairness to the chief, they're probably are,

2767
03:32:32,280 --> 03:32:38,990
and it all does need to be looked at. But I don't want to get sidetracked from the original

2768
03:32:38,990 --> 03:32:49,420
motion. All right. I'm going to assume that there's plenty more because I'm under the impression that

2769
03:32:49,420 --> 03:32:56,720
when some of this was done, other people who could have been investigated, or maybe it was a prior

2770
03:32:56,720 --> 03:33:03,060
investigation, but other people who could have been asked their opinion were excluded from

2771
03:33:03,060 --> 03:33:10,880
the scope of the investigation, which I assume would mean other females, other people who

2772
03:33:10,880 --> 03:33:21,100
have issues. So I guess I'm going to ask Mr. Skervin with the union degree to bring all

2773
03:33:21,100 --> 03:33:27,220
the issues as well as some possible solutions to the city manager because I'm not foolish

2774
03:33:27,220 --> 03:33:32,260
enough to think that they haven't come and told you, and if they haven't, then you've

2775
03:33:32,260 --> 03:33:39,300
got a problem. But would you be willing, regardless of what winds up? If you see something

2776
03:33:39,300 --> 03:33:46,340
to say something to him and if not to us, if nothing gets done, because otherwise there's

2777
03:33:46,340 --> 03:33:50,920
some deep-seated things here that regardless of what happens tonight aren't going away

2778
03:33:50,920 --> 03:33:58,540
until they're brought to the surface and something's done about it. I'm going to unfortunately

2779
03:33:58,540 --> 03:34:00,760
rod because I asked you you get to go back up there.

2780
03:34:03,110 --> 03:34:04,670
And then you have to say who you are just for

2781
03:34:04,670 --> 03:34:05,030
the record.

2782
03:34:07,850 --> 03:34:15,610
Rods Garvin, Barred County PBA President. I work very well with Mr. Curtis. I'll be

2783
03:34:15,610 --> 03:34:21,790
more than happy as the complaints come to me to address them with him and or you if

2784
03:34:21,790 --> 03:34:25,730
nothing gets resolved. And are there more that you know? There are more.

2785
03:34:26,110 --> 03:34:31,090
Okay. Does he know that there are more? Probably not. Well, he knows in general that there's

2786
03:34:31,090 --> 03:34:38,530
more coming, I believe, but not specifically. Because regardless, that's really important for them

2787
03:34:38,530 --> 03:34:46,210
and for us because nobody wants to sit here and then here there's more coming there's more

2788
03:34:46,210 --> 03:34:51,690
that you didn't know there are reports out there you never got to see and any of the rest of that.

2789
03:34:51,970 --> 03:34:59,490
Yeah and I think it's important for the investigator to if you're going to delay the action I think

2790
03:34:59,490 --> 03:35:05,510
it is very important for the investigator to have one-on-ones with some of these people and really bring

2791
03:35:05,510 --> 03:35:11,530
it out. You know, I don't like to, like you said, I'm not happy about it, because it's

2792
03:35:11,530 --> 03:35:15,110
just going to bring more mud out to the city of Margate, and that's ultimately not what

2793
03:35:15,110 --> 03:35:20,970
we want, but unfortunately, we're going to have to. It looks like, but I don't think for

2794
03:35:20,970 --> 03:35:27,450
one moment that that mud won't eventually surface. I agree with you. It doesn't really

2795
03:35:27,450 --> 03:35:34,750
matter if it's today, tomorrow, the next day, at some point, human nature is such that it's

2796
03:35:34,750 --> 03:35:38,690
It's very difficult to throw things away or swallow them because we've seen that people

2797
03:35:38,690 --> 03:35:39,550
have saved things.

2798
03:35:40,290 --> 03:35:41,730
We all have something.

2799
03:35:42,270 --> 03:35:48,870
If we're going to fix it as a whole, as this broken system that we keep talking about

2800
03:35:48,870 --> 03:35:54,970
which I truly believe is broken, then we need to flesh it all out and eventually get to

2801
03:35:54,970 --> 03:35:57,570
sleep clean and start cleaning out of the way.

2802
03:35:57,590 --> 03:36:00,850
Each person needs to bear their soul because it's unfair to expect that they're going to

2803
03:36:00,850 --> 03:36:05,590
area to go past it and say, I had something I needed to say, and I never got to say.

2804
03:36:05,590 --> 03:36:06,830
Yeah, we want everybody to have a voice.

2805
03:36:07,290 --> 03:36:07,510
Correct.

2806
03:36:08,070 --> 03:36:09,350
So thank you for that answer.

2807
03:36:09,590 --> 03:36:15,310
And to the city manager, I can then say, can we also be assured that each and every pending

2808
03:36:15,310 --> 03:36:22,110
and future grievance is fairly investigative, and that we know that these are things are

2809
03:36:22,110 --> 03:36:25,210
going on, so I don't have to sit here and hear about them now.

2810
03:36:26,190 --> 03:36:26,550
Yes.

2811
03:36:27,610 --> 03:36:28,950
Then I'm going to ask the chief.

2812
03:36:28,950 --> 03:36:30,850
please come out.

2813
03:36:39,590 --> 03:36:43,530
Exactly what do you figure if given six months you can do?

2814
03:36:45,870 --> 03:36:50,150
Try. I can't promise you six months is going to fix anything.

2815
03:36:50,730 --> 03:36:52,210
I don't think so either.

2816
03:36:55,000 --> 03:36:58,800
Clearly you have had no one I'm hearing because I was

2817
03:36:58,800 --> 03:37:04,800
not under the impression that your majors voted but clearly the people under you

2818
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:09,400
who I would assume the whole reason of them being out of actually the union

2819
03:37:09,400 --> 03:37:10,860
you need if they're still paying the dues,

2820
03:37:11,000 --> 03:37:15,820
but not what's to be able to tell you to your face.

2821
03:37:16,200 --> 03:37:18,860
This works, this doesn't work, and this is my suggestion.

2822
03:37:19,140 --> 03:37:22,840
If that hasn't happened, you have a clear problem

2823
03:37:22,840 --> 03:37:24,180
with the people beneath you.

2824
03:37:25,020 --> 03:37:27,300
On the other hand, if it has happened

2825
03:37:27,880 --> 03:37:32,360
and you want only disregard it, we got a problem.

2826
03:37:33,920 --> 03:37:37,060
And so, well, again, the charter says,

2827
03:37:37,060 --> 03:37:43,760
I can't tell him what to do with the people beneath you because that's a charter violation.

2828
03:37:44,140 --> 03:37:57,240
I can only suggest you report to him, he reports to us and so there is a chasm of where things

2829
03:37:57,240 --> 03:38:05,660
are and what we know and what he knows and I will repeat what I once said to a former

2830
03:38:05,660 --> 03:38:11,800
city manager. Sometimes I feel like there's a black ops group operating that tells me

2831
03:38:11,800 --> 03:38:16,720
only what they think I need to know when they think I need to know it and to which my

2832
03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:23,240
response is, I don't do stupid well. I never want to sit here and say, I didn't know that.

2833
03:38:23,740 --> 03:38:30,520
I'm supposed to. They're supposed to. And I've heard a lot of stuff today that I can honestly say,

2834
03:38:30,520 --> 03:38:32,020
I didn't know that.

2835
03:38:32,740 --> 03:38:35,060
I'm past stupid text messages,

2836
03:38:35,260 --> 03:38:37,480
because stupid text messages we can't take back.

2837
03:38:38,120 --> 03:38:40,480
I'm worried about the future of the department

2838
03:38:41,440 --> 03:38:44,780
and what I've heard started a long time ago.

2839
03:38:45,400 --> 03:38:49,200
But I also know that you were here a long time ago

2840
03:38:49,200 --> 03:38:51,960
and I would like to think that there weren't

2841
03:38:51,960 --> 03:38:55,240
that many blind eyes turned because of problem

2842
03:38:55,240 --> 03:38:56,980
because it wasn't your problem,

2843
03:38:56,980 --> 03:39:02,780
was on somebody else's problem. Do I know if six months will make a difference?

2844
03:39:03,060 --> 03:39:10,500
No, I don't. But for me, six months is it. And perhaps we call it, would you call it probationary?

2845
03:39:10,660 --> 03:39:17,040
Whatever we call it. Do I think it's separate from that? If you survive this tonight,

2846
03:39:17,520 --> 03:39:24,300
comes a hell of a suspension without pay, or the text messages, you get your life. Because I

2847
03:39:24,300 --> 03:39:27,940
And nobody disagrees with that.

2848
03:39:30,140 --> 03:39:31,740
Let me ask a question.

2849
03:39:32,960 --> 03:39:35,960
So if it does happen, what you're saying, he's given six months.

2850
03:39:36,900 --> 03:39:38,640
The first month, he's going to be suspended.

2851
03:39:40,480 --> 03:39:45,820
The first month, the complaints are going to come in like you cannot believe, it's got no

2852
03:39:45,820 --> 03:39:46,060
defense.

2853
03:39:47,120 --> 03:39:48,520
You're setting them up for failure.

2854
03:39:48,960 --> 03:39:52,860
Then he comes back and he wants to do what he wants to do.

2855
03:39:52,860 --> 03:39:54,160
and it's going to look like

2856
03:39:54,720 --> 03:39:56,860
this guy's going after me now because I said something.

2857
03:39:57,740 --> 03:39:59,180
I think they are ready.

2858
03:39:59,600 --> 03:40:00,760
How do you fix a problem

2859
03:40:01,500 --> 03:40:02,920
when you're hands are tied?

2860
03:40:05,250 --> 03:40:06,370
Well, I'm going to give you one

2861
03:40:06,370 --> 03:40:07,130
of two choices.

2862
03:40:07,810 --> 03:40:10,070
Either we figure out a way for that to work

2863
03:40:10,670 --> 03:40:12,470
or today I changed my vote

2864
03:40:12,470 --> 03:40:13,570
because it won't work.

2865
03:40:14,770 --> 03:40:16,370
You have to be wanting

2866
03:40:16,370 --> 03:40:17,210
for it to work.

2867
03:40:17,410 --> 03:40:17,950
You have to be...

2868
03:40:19,050 --> 03:40:22,550
So when he comes back one month

2869
03:40:22,550 --> 03:40:29,450
from now if he wants to demote somebody and that person has a complaint in about him how's that

2870
03:40:29,450 --> 03:40:37,050
going to work? Sitting home on suspension doesn't stop you from writing a plan. It doesn't mean

2871
03:40:37,050 --> 03:40:42,890
you stop breathing reading your text messages. It simply means that you're sitting home not running

2872
03:40:42,890 --> 03:40:48,510
a department. So if you want me what to wait a month and then give him a suspension? No, no,

2873
03:40:48,510 --> 03:40:52,410
I don't know. I'm saying, if you're going to get into suspension, he's out for a month.

2874
03:40:52,790 --> 03:40:57,250
Right? The texts are going to, we've already heard they're going to keep coming.

2875
03:40:57,390 --> 03:40:59,310
Right. No, no. This is the last time.

2876
03:40:59,530 --> 03:41:03,890
This is a cold. No, no, no. The complaints will come in. He's going to be suspended sitting

2877
03:41:03,890 --> 03:41:07,530
at home. The complaints will come in. We've already been told by the Union rep by another

2878
03:41:07,530 --> 03:41:09,690
officer or sergeant, they're going to keep coming.

2879
03:41:10,030 --> 03:41:10,250
Yeah.

2880
03:41:10,490 --> 03:41:15,470
Many comes back and there's 20 more complaints against him. Now he's like, you know what?

2881
03:41:15,470 --> 03:41:19,330
But I've wanted to move this guy and demote him for months now.

2882
03:41:19,770 --> 03:41:25,710
He's back, he's coming back, and he's told he can't do it because there's complain

2883
03:41:25,710 --> 03:41:26,290
against you.

2884
03:41:27,050 --> 03:41:27,650
All right.

2885
03:41:27,850 --> 03:41:32,410
So my answer is, if you've wanted to move and demote someone for months, I sure self

2886
03:41:32,410 --> 03:41:33,630
suggests you do it tomorrow.

2887
03:41:34,710 --> 03:41:35,910
But you don't wait.

2888
03:41:36,310 --> 03:41:39,250
I think there's merit to what the mayor's saying, but we're not there yet.

2889
03:41:39,470 --> 03:41:44,010
I'm sure we're going to get there because I'm assuming the vote's going to go three, two

2890
03:41:44,010 --> 03:41:49,890
on that termination, but can I throw something in also, but I think it was to go to,

2891
03:41:50,650 --> 03:41:57,370
I wouldn't suspend, I would severely reduce the pay because you know what,

2892
03:41:57,490 --> 03:42:01,170
but frankly we're probably going to get sued and it's going to cost us money.

2893
03:42:02,070 --> 03:42:08,050
But again, I think we're getting ahead of potentially another vote here. I think the motion

2894
03:42:08,050 --> 03:42:14,670
right now is notions right now of determination determination see where that goes and then we can

2895
03:42:15,230 --> 03:42:20,870
you know I I don't want to I don't agree with another solution but I'll respect the board if

2896
03:42:20,870 --> 03:42:26,710
that's the way they go and we'll come up with a solution on the next vote okay I'm sure that

2897
03:42:26,710 --> 03:42:31,150
the chief has spoken with the city manager about some changes that he would like to make

2898
03:42:31,150 --> 03:42:37,450
way before this stuff was ever started before and I think he should be allowed to make those changes

2899
03:42:37,450 --> 03:42:40,430
that he wanted to make before this stuff started.

2900
03:42:41,850 --> 03:42:44,990
Before these complaints came in, he had changes he wanted to make.

2901
03:42:45,450 --> 03:42:47,410
I think he should be allowed to make them.

2902
03:42:48,090 --> 03:42:53,550
I would also hope that I hear clearly that there's no respect for Cheta command.

2903
03:42:54,130 --> 03:42:55,090
That needs to stop.

2904
03:42:57,930 --> 03:43:02,850
Nobody calls up the president of the United States, who's me, and gets through.

2905
03:43:03,490 --> 03:43:04,950
That just doesn't happen.

2906
03:43:04,950 --> 03:43:12,370
I guarantee you that nobody gets to the city manager without going through whomever their

2907
03:43:12,370 --> 03:43:17,570
uppers are and sometimes through a grievance procedure, because that's why what I think

2908
03:43:17,570 --> 03:43:18,270
we have on.

2909
03:43:20,090 --> 03:43:25,710
I think you've heard a lot, I've heard a lot, and I'm not a police officer, so I don't

2910
03:43:25,710 --> 03:43:33,820
necessarily, from a school perspective, we hold people to a higher standard and there

2911
03:43:33,820 --> 03:43:40,500
have been somebody in my office that would have understood way before. Whether you understood

2912
03:43:40,500 --> 03:43:47,320
how bad the situation was or not, you certainly do now. Whether they trust you or not,

2913
03:43:47,560 --> 03:43:52,740
that's something you're going to have to earn. I can't do for you. And whether they will,

2914
03:43:53,020 --> 03:43:56,960
the things that are going on here that are apparently endemic for a long time,

2915
03:43:57,140 --> 03:44:02,880
heal, can help you with that one either. That's peace. Each person is going to have to make

2916
03:44:02,880 --> 03:44:09,700
with you during that time and if it doesn't happen, then my next vote will be for them and I say it

2917
03:44:09,700 --> 03:44:17,960
right here. So if any of them comes to me even in a month and says nothing has changed, and I'll

2918
03:44:17,960 --> 03:44:24,720
bring it back up if I'm on the prevailing side, we won't wait for this next month. I just, you know,

2919
03:44:25,660 --> 03:44:31,340
I know that the public feels one way has not seen some of the stuff or heard some of the stuff

2920
03:44:31,340 --> 03:44:38,320
we'd heard today. I just am so conflicted with this because I'm trying to find a solution

2921
03:44:38,320 --> 03:44:43,140
that probably, as the guy on the rate on Zoom said, doesn't exist anymore.

2922
03:44:48,250 --> 03:44:53,490
For up to me, I'd get another week to think about this and just simply say, here's your

2923
03:44:53,490 --> 03:44:59,790
punishment for the stupid text messages. Sit home and let us figure out what we do afterwards.

2924
03:45:03,580 --> 03:45:28,680
We can, we can discuss that. So. Yes. Yes. And what are those changes? I don't know. I think she's just asking. The issue of a fourth major is that the addition of a deputy chief. Because those are positions that are at the staff that go before the commission. They're not my decisions. And chief and I have had discussions on that.

2925
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:32,900
There's been time in discussions, there are financial implications.

2926
03:45:33,660 --> 03:45:36,180
Look at that. It's not something that I can just grant and give.

2927
03:45:36,920 --> 03:45:38,880
No, the things that were discussed tonight.

2928
03:45:40,500 --> 03:45:45,000
Is there personnel? Has he spoken to you at all about personnel changes that he wants to make?

2929
03:45:45,440 --> 03:45:48,520
If we're referring to a major personnel.

2930
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:53,040
I'm not asking for positions. I'm asking, has he spoken to you about in general?

2931
03:45:53,180 --> 03:45:55,840
I, in general, that there are positions that he wants to move around.

2932
03:45:55,840 --> 03:46:01,580
There was a motion that he was going to make and as long as and there was a discussion about the timing of that okay

2933
03:46:01,580 --> 03:46:06,740
Well, I'm saying that is that he should be given the opportunity to make those changes since they were before

2934
03:46:07,400 --> 03:46:09,780
Any of this stuff came out is not not before

2935
03:46:10,400 --> 03:46:15,490
It was there wasn't before no and in fair and in fairness

2936
03:46:16,510 --> 03:46:17,670
To the city manager

2937
03:46:18,590 --> 03:46:21,810
I'm pretty sure he pulled all of us on a lot of this these items

2938
03:46:22,510 --> 03:46:25,510
I know I've been asked a few times about a deputy chief

2939
03:46:25,510 --> 03:46:36,350
I spoke to the chief about it, and I told him I would support a deputy chief with the caveat that I would not hire from within.

2940
03:46:36,690 --> 03:46:42,410
So he gave me the deputy chief, but he won't be the chief of police if he retires, leaves, whatever.

2941
03:46:42,970 --> 03:46:43,350
That's correct.

2942
03:46:43,510 --> 03:46:45,390
I've been asking for that for almost two years.

2943
03:46:45,390 --> 03:46:56,490
So, you know, but can I make this suggestion then, no matter how this goes, we feel he needs help.

2944
03:46:57,370 --> 03:46:58,690
Some of us feel we shouldn't be here.

2945
03:46:58,850 --> 03:47:05,450
How about open up that position of deputy chief and have the commission interview rather

2946
03:47:05,450 --> 03:47:12,510
than it not be the chief's pick, the unions pick, but our pick, if possible, even if we can

2947
03:47:12,510 --> 03:47:12,810
do that.

2948
03:47:12,810 --> 03:47:19,350
But the purpose of the debt-gated chief at this point would be what to do the job you really should have done?

2949
03:47:21,490 --> 03:47:23,370
Well, I'm on both sides here.

2950
03:47:23,670 --> 03:47:27,470
No, because from what I'm hearing is there's two commissioners that want him gone.

2951
03:47:29,570 --> 03:47:33,170
And from what you said, you want to hire from the outside.

2952
03:47:33,610 --> 03:47:35,710
For the next chief, 1,000 percent.

2953
03:47:36,410 --> 03:47:41,510
So why not have that person in the wings in case something doesn't happen?

2954
03:47:42,010 --> 03:47:43,610
It should be a much wider issue.

2955
03:47:43,990 --> 03:47:46,230
It depends on the chief, number one.

2956
03:47:46,350 --> 03:47:49,690
It certainly would be better if we did it.

2957
03:47:50,330 --> 03:47:57,730
But I still don't know, I just don't know how that fixes all of the issues.

2958
03:47:58,130 --> 03:48:00,290
I don't know if we can fix it, but I can tell you this.

2959
03:48:00,630 --> 03:48:03,270
When you have, like I heard, and I'm not going to have to,

2960
03:48:03,330 --> 03:48:07,050
commissioners from Owen say, promotions.

2961
03:48:07,050 --> 03:48:10,910
questions. The way it works in the city of Margette and I don't know if it's just our

2962
03:48:10,910 --> 03:48:17,870
police department, but you can only hire from within. So in other words, promote from within.

2963
03:48:19,330 --> 03:48:25,310
So if you have a sergeant's test, Lieutenant's test, and I think it happened recently, there

2964
03:48:25,310 --> 03:48:33,230
was five or six sergeants chosen. You're basically saying that the first three made it, everybody

2965
03:48:33,230 --> 03:48:34,450
everybody made, everybody moved on.

2966
03:48:35,310 --> 03:48:37,590
So you're basically promoting, you have to promote.

2967
03:48:38,570 --> 03:48:42,430
There's no saying you failed, you're done, you're over,

2968
03:48:42,690 --> 03:48:45,450
or opening it up to the outside and saying,

2969
03:48:45,610 --> 03:48:48,990
hey, we're gonna hire a first sergeant and open it up.

2970
03:48:49,450 --> 03:48:51,070
It's one of the only departments in the city

2971
03:48:51,630 --> 03:48:54,390
that you have to hire or promote from within.

2972
03:48:54,650 --> 03:48:55,130
Is that true?

2973
03:48:56,170 --> 03:48:57,030
I think it is.

2974
03:48:57,190 --> 03:48:57,270
I mean.

2975
03:48:57,690 --> 03:48:57,950
All right.

2976
03:48:59,370 --> 03:49:02,430
So if you're a chief and I'm just saying,

2977
03:49:02,430 --> 03:49:05,150
I mean, if you have bad apples to pick from, where do you go?

2978
03:49:06,070 --> 03:49:06,910
Where do you go?

2979
03:49:07,090 --> 03:49:10,670
The question is, is why is that a must?

2980
03:49:11,290 --> 03:49:12,170
Why is, I don't know.

2981
03:49:13,090 --> 03:49:15,270
A lot of that is governed by union contracts.

2982
03:49:15,890 --> 03:49:20,830
So, getting back to that, that's where the policy has to be talked to and set with the union.

2983
03:49:22,490 --> 03:49:26,350
You know, there's a lot of things like the dates of the text messages.

2984
03:49:26,510 --> 03:49:30,070
We need to put something in place where, like you were saying, a month, two months.

2985
03:49:30,270 --> 03:49:31,310
That's it. We don't want to hear the complaint.

2986
03:49:31,310 --> 03:49:35,550
It happened. You didn't say nothing. Must not have been that important. Let's move on.

2987
03:49:36,730 --> 03:49:42,470
You know, the hiring process, I think the oral part weighing 60 percent, I think that's ridiculous.

2988
03:49:42,690 --> 03:49:47,950
I think you should be based on your testing score. Anybody can get nervous and fail in oral.

2989
03:49:48,930 --> 03:49:55,510
So I don't think that that has such a big weight on it where it could be used as a tool in some areas.

2990
03:49:56,050 --> 03:49:58,290
So the certain things that we need to do, we need to look at,

2991
03:49:58,290 --> 03:50:01,750
But we're going to have to have collaboration with the union.

2992
03:50:01,990 --> 03:50:02,610
It's going to have to be.

2993
03:50:02,630 --> 03:50:04,190
It's not going to work.

2994
03:50:04,830 --> 03:50:05,350
It's not going to work.

2995
03:50:05,470 --> 03:50:07,090
With the complaints, it's kind of too part.

2996
03:50:08,330 --> 03:50:11,710
Personally, I feel like they should be brought forth right away.

2997
03:50:11,910 --> 03:50:13,930
And I believe there's policy that requires it.

2998
03:50:14,290 --> 03:50:15,250
I'm going to read it, too.

2999
03:50:15,630 --> 03:50:15,930
Correct.

3000
03:50:17,930 --> 03:50:23,390
However, they can go outside of here with lawsuits and stuff that just because it happened certain

3001
03:50:23,390 --> 03:50:25,290
amount of time ago doesn't make it go away.

3002
03:50:25,950 --> 03:50:27,590
So it's kind of a two-part thing.

3003
03:50:27,590 --> 03:50:32,550
I mean, they can still take action with those complaints, but as far as breaking policy,

3004
03:50:34,830 --> 03:50:38,050
you know, it is breaking policy if they don't come forward. But again,

3005
03:50:38,790 --> 03:50:45,450
my whole thing is that the argument is that they have come forward in times past, or even now,

3006
03:50:45,690 --> 03:50:48,510
and it's not being addressed.

3007
03:50:52,810 --> 03:50:53,890
Do you want to speak?

3008
03:50:56,230 --> 03:51:03,270
It just bothers me what the answer was when they were asked about the motion.

3009
03:51:03,850 --> 03:51:10,880
And it's taken place after this. That's a very worrisome about the what promotion and

3010
03:51:10,880 --> 03:51:18,100
promotion. Oh, the motion. I've said the motion. Now, that the chief went that the

3011
03:51:18,100 --> 03:51:25,000
chief went to him after this investigation. Chief, can you clarify that? It was, did

3012
03:51:25,000 --> 03:51:28,920
you go after the investigation as for as one to be done over the time? Exactly. But I know

3013
03:51:28,920 --> 03:51:31,920
was the third time that I had brought it up to the third time.

3014
03:51:31,920 --> 03:51:43,360
Yes. And it was before. I don't know if it was during this, but it wasn't because of this. It was because the same issue that kept persisting was persisting. And I wasn't able to correct it.

3015
03:51:44,300 --> 03:51:47,140
So we didn't have anything to do with this investigation.

3016
03:51:47,140 --> 03:51:54,040
the commission. But it doesn't, the chief picks the major is not city manager or the commission.

3017
03:51:54,620 --> 03:51:58,060
Why did you go to the city manager, your reason? Did you have to go to the church?

3018
03:51:58,420 --> 03:52:00,580
Yes, he has to approve it. Okay.

3019
03:52:00,980 --> 03:52:01,120
Okay.

3020
03:52:05,220 --> 03:52:06,820
Are you not talking about the debt?

3021
03:52:07,500 --> 03:52:08,280
Are you talking about the debt?

3022
03:52:08,280 --> 03:52:08,500
No.

3023
03:52:08,700 --> 03:52:09,140
No.

3024
03:52:11,560 --> 03:52:17,120
Are you talking about the debt?

3025
03:52:17,120 --> 03:52:18,140
And then happened.

3026
03:52:18,680 --> 03:52:19,120
Right.

3027
03:52:19,340 --> 03:52:24,420
Again, because I was trying to give a chance for the person to correct their actions.

3028
03:52:24,900 --> 03:52:25,060
Okay.

3029
03:52:25,320 --> 03:52:26,840
So maybe did I clarify it?

3030
03:52:27,080 --> 03:52:27,240
Do you mind?

3031
03:52:27,820 --> 03:52:27,960
No.

3032
03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:29,420
Just a story.

3033
03:52:29,660 --> 03:52:31,280
You changed the story twice now.

3034
03:52:31,580 --> 03:52:34,140
The first time they said he couldn't recall the date.

3035
03:52:34,660 --> 03:52:39,160
I don't recall the exact date the last time that I brought it up with in conjunction with when

3036
03:52:39,160 --> 03:52:41,620
this investigation was going on because it had nothing to do with the investigation.

3037
03:52:41,620 --> 03:52:43,560
But then you said it was before the investigation.

3038
03:52:43,880 --> 03:52:44,920
So you've double talked.

3039
03:52:45,240 --> 03:52:46,100
No, it didn't.

3040
03:52:46,100 --> 03:52:50,460
I explained that there was three times I've gone to the city manager about the same issue over time.

3041
03:52:51,100 --> 03:52:54,840
And I've given three chances for the person to make correct to correct some of the actions.

3042
03:52:55,420 --> 03:52:59,880
The third time I don't remember exactly what the date was in conjunction with this investigation.

3043
03:53:00,900 --> 03:53:04,300
But it wasn't because of this investigation, it was the same issue that was recurring.

3044
03:53:04,940 --> 03:53:07,360
But I just don't see how one thing has to do with the other.

3045
03:53:07,740 --> 03:53:12,840
There's the actions of the chief and then there's the actions of this major who I've heard

3046
03:53:12,840 --> 03:53:21,020
things about two, and probably should potentially be demoted. But one, again, one has nothing to do

3047
03:53:21,020 --> 03:53:26,480
with the other. Can I just ask question? Just kicked in. The complaint we got today was that from the

3048
03:53:26,480 --> 03:53:26,720
major?

3049
03:53:29,400 --> 03:53:34,880
Yes. It was from the major. The major we're talking about. Yes. Put a complaint in today.

3050
03:53:35,620 --> 03:53:39,940
See how this is going to play out? Well, and I met one a couple of days ago, and he never said

3051
03:53:39,940 --> 03:53:46,280
words me about it. Okay. Do you guys see where this is going? I met with him for almost an hour

3052
03:53:46,280 --> 03:53:47,800
and he never said a word to me about it.

3053
03:53:52,080 --> 03:53:52,920
Can you help us run?

3054
03:53:56,920 --> 03:53:59,860
Well, we can't. We have a complaint

3055
03:53:59,860 --> 03:54:04,360
that was fine. That's true. We can't talk about it against our chiefs. All right. All I'm just

3056
03:54:04,360 --> 03:54:08,720
going to say is I spoke to him just a couple of days ago and he never said a word to me about it.

3057
03:54:08,720 --> 03:54:18,780
Yeah, and I made a couple of days ago, not a bunch of days ago, a couple, but that's why aside from the actions that he did with the messages,

3058
03:54:21,850 --> 03:54:41,230
we know they're going to come out, whether they're right or wrong, the apartment's going to continue to be in this disarray, unless we have somebody new come in, and that's why I said before it got to this point to retire and let someone come in and

3059
03:54:41,230 --> 03:54:47,730
take over. How is the new person, how are they going to complain against he or she?

3060
03:54:49,490 --> 03:54:54,850
It wasn't like the shop people are now going after this or vice versa. All that's gone.

3061
03:54:55,930 --> 03:55:02,490
Is it gone? Why not? Why wouldn't it be gone?

3062
03:55:03,510 --> 03:55:07,550
It's still over. There's still issues with the department that we need to investigate and

3063
03:55:07,550 --> 03:55:11,590
Look at, but from the top, there's not going to be,

3064
03:55:11,750 --> 03:55:13,170
how is there going to be favoritism,

3065
03:55:13,290 --> 03:55:14,690
or this one was friends with that one?

3066
03:55:21,330 --> 03:55:22,830
In answer to a question,

3067
03:55:23,510 --> 03:55:26,590
I'm guessing this is from the standard operating procedure,

3068
03:55:26,870 --> 03:55:29,450
7.3.80, reporting violations.

3069
03:55:30,230 --> 03:55:32,810
Personnel having knowledge of a violation of the standards

3070
03:55:32,810 --> 03:55:36,150
of conduct, general orders, standard operating procedure,

3071
03:55:36,370 --> 03:55:38,450
any official direction by another officer

3072
03:55:38,770 --> 03:55:42,270
or employee shall immediately report the violation

3073
03:55:42,270 --> 03:55:51,590
to a supervisor. And then there's others that say that personnel shall support the policies

3074
03:55:51,590 --> 03:55:57,910
orders directions and procedures of the department and shall not criticize or get rid of my own

3075
03:55:57,910 --> 03:56:04,530
or whatever it is. The department, its policies orders are personnel in speech writing or by expression

3076
03:56:04,530 --> 03:56:10,550
where such interferes with the maintenance of discipline or otherwise undermines the effectiveness

3077
03:56:10,550 --> 03:56:11,590
this of the department.

3078
03:56:14,810 --> 03:56:18,630
There's a lot of stuff out there that I think has not been adhered to.

3079
03:56:20,250 --> 03:56:25,650
I don't disagree with that, but that doesn't then justify the action of others.

3080
03:56:26,170 --> 03:56:30,810
Of course not. I'm just simply saying that a lot of stuff that should have been done

3081
03:56:30,810 --> 03:56:31,670
have been done.

3082
03:56:33,840 --> 03:56:35,120
And I don't really know where you go.

3083
03:56:37,590 --> 03:56:40,830
All right. There's no more discussion.

3084
03:56:45,750 --> 03:56:46,190
We're

3085
03:56:46,190 --> 03:56:51,790
It would be to provide Chief Galasco with a notice of termination, which would be effective

3086
03:56:51,790 --> 03:57:00,850
on 11.59 p.m. on April 3rd, 2024, and he would be on leave with pay until that time.

3087
03:57:01,370 --> 03:57:09,950
In order to allow him the opportunity to provide a response pursuant to Section 166.0494

3088
03:57:09,950 --> 03:57:10,810
for a Florida statute.

3089
03:57:11,590 --> 03:57:11,870
All right.

3090
03:57:12,210 --> 03:57:14,410
And at that time, if something were to change,

3091
03:57:14,410 --> 03:57:15,930
could it change at that point?

3092
03:57:16,590 --> 03:57:19,270
Whoever's on the prevailing side can always make a motion

3093
03:57:19,270 --> 03:57:21,750
to reconsider at the same or the next meeting.

3094
03:57:23,970 --> 03:57:25,030
All right, call the roll.

3095
03:57:26,330 --> 03:57:27,210
Mr. Cajiano?

3096
03:57:29,520 --> 03:57:30,040
No.

3097
03:57:30,920 --> 03:57:31,760
Mr. Simone?

3098
03:57:32,200 --> 03:57:32,380
Yes.

3099
03:57:33,160 --> 03:57:33,820
Mr. Rosario?

3100
03:57:34,340 --> 03:57:34,540
Yes.

3101
03:57:35,160 --> 03:57:36,020
Vice Mayor Schwartz.

3102
03:57:37,400 --> 03:57:38,700
Does maybe count?

3103
03:57:40,220 --> 03:57:41,700
This is a tough one, all right.

3104
03:57:43,120 --> 03:57:44,540
Trust me, I take an aspirin.

3105
03:57:46,040 --> 03:57:49,140
To wind up on the prevailing side, I'm going to say no.

3106
03:57:49,340 --> 03:57:50,280
That's the lame answer.

3107
03:57:50,760 --> 03:57:56,540
No, because I want to see, no means not get rid of it.

3108
03:57:56,960 --> 03:57:59,180
I understand that, but the reason you gave it's...

3109
03:57:59,180 --> 03:58:03,340
No, I read my reasons and I would like to see something change.

3110
03:58:03,760 --> 03:58:06,140
And I would like to give him an opportunity to see

3111
03:58:06,140 --> 03:58:08,140
if he can work with the union and do that.

3112
03:58:08,660 --> 03:58:11,900
But if that doesn't happen, then I'm going

3113
03:58:11,900 --> 03:58:16,560
to bring it back. And that is, that's not a layman's here. That's the truth if it doesn't work.

3114
03:58:16,740 --> 03:58:19,640
What's your vote, Tommy? And the answer is I'm going to bring it back.

3115
03:58:19,980 --> 03:58:21,720
Oh, man. This is the answer. Call you me. All right.

3116
03:58:22,080 --> 03:58:26,940
So, you know, so we got motion fails three to two. Okay. And then the next motion.

3117
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:34,440
All right. Do you want me to make the motion? All right. Let me get my

3118
03:58:34,440 --> 03:58:37,040
question before you make the motion. Go for it.

3119
03:58:39,720 --> 03:58:41,440
Do we want to talk about

3120
03:58:41,440 --> 03:58:47,580
the recommendations of looking at other issues in the department so that we can set,

3121
03:58:47,800 --> 03:58:53,760
because clearly there's going to be a punishment, probably some type of probationary period.

3122
03:58:54,420 --> 03:58:59,600
But in order to set those metrics, we need to know fully what's going on.

3123
03:58:59,980 --> 03:59:05,120
And there were other issues that were brought up that I'm not bringing them up to it because I

3124
03:59:05,120 --> 03:59:11,020
can't call it back. I'm not on the prevailing side, but at least so that we can set based on

3125
03:59:11,440 --> 03:59:17,120
the findings set goals and parameters so that in six months from now we can say, okay,

3126
03:59:17,180 --> 03:59:21,400
look, we looked at this. This is what the investigator found recommended.

3127
03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:27,640
We agreed, disagreed, set these parameters. And now we have something to

3128
03:59:28,360 --> 03:59:33,440
determine. All right, it's number one and seven months because I'm going to make the motion

3129
03:59:33,940 --> 03:59:39,180
that he is suspended for one month without pay. And then when he comes back, he has six months.

3130
03:59:39,760 --> 03:59:43,260
How about we do the investigation after the seven months?

3131
03:59:44,040 --> 03:59:44,440
No.

3132
03:59:46,540 --> 03:59:51,180
So you're asking for an investigation to be going on while the man suspend it.

3133
03:59:51,920 --> 03:59:53,600
And back, and back.

3134
03:59:54,640 --> 03:59:56,340
Can I make a recommendation?

3135
03:59:56,520 --> 03:59:58,120
We find somebody new to investigate it?

3136
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:29,980
I don't have a problem with any outside investigator. Okay, I would like to see somebody new investigator in the commission actually interview them and talk to them and do the investigation. I definitely, I definitely want to investigate. I have no problem with an outside investigator in a different one. That's fine. And I, I actually agree with you in that. I don't think he should be suspended where he's not

3137
04:00:29,980 --> 04:00:34,580
here in the office because like you have a good point. I mean, if you're giving him six months

3138
04:00:34,580 --> 04:00:41,260
and he's suspended for a month to whatever it is, then how could he justifiably make the, you know,

3139
04:00:41,400 --> 04:00:51,440
given a shot to make the changes? So I would like to see something where his pay is, maybe he

3140
04:00:51,440 --> 04:00:58,460
comes to work, but his pay is, you know, he uses a month's pay and then maybe there's a 25% reduction

3141
04:00:58,460 --> 04:01:04,800
in his pay during his six-month period, but the point that I'm trying to make is that he's not

3142
04:01:06,780 --> 04:01:12,840
at home. He's still here. He's able to give given the opportunity to make the changes.

3143
04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:22,080
I think drastic pay reductions temporarily, but still is here in the office.

3144
04:01:22,840 --> 04:01:25,900
You don't think one-twelfth of your salary being gone is enough?

3145
04:01:27,180 --> 04:01:32,380
Can I give a recommendation, but basically our past practice for people that get suspended

3146
04:01:32,380 --> 04:01:37,100
is the first two days you don't get paid and then you can dock the rest of it from

3147
04:01:37,100 --> 04:01:38,040
my annual time.

3148
04:01:38,420 --> 04:01:39,200
People take your time.

3149
04:01:39,300 --> 04:01:43,320
You take my time away for the month, so all the time that I have worked, the money is taken

3150
04:01:43,320 --> 04:01:44,480
away, but I'm still here to work.

3151
04:01:47,940 --> 04:01:48,660
That sounds...

3152
04:01:48,660 --> 04:01:50,300
I don't know when to say that's David, is that so?

3153
04:01:50,320 --> 04:01:51,860
We'll let David...

3154
04:01:51,860 --> 04:01:53,460
I don't have a problem with that.

3155
04:01:53,460 --> 04:01:59,740
I know we have a contract with the chief we being the city, so if you're going to adjust the pay,

3156
04:02:00,200 --> 04:02:04,920
then you'd need to amend the contract to reflect whatever that is going to be.

3157
04:02:04,940 --> 04:02:10,060
But if we do it the way the chief is saying, we wouldn't have to change the contract, right?

3158
04:02:11,160 --> 04:02:11,920
You know, you still would.

3159
04:02:12,520 --> 04:02:16,720
But even if you amend the contract, doesn't the contract say both parties have to agree to it?

3160
04:02:17,380 --> 04:02:20,500
Well, that's part of the resolution that you're talking about.

3161
04:02:20,500 --> 04:02:26,400
doesn't agree to it. Well, as far as seconds, if he doesn't agree to it, then that's a

3162
04:02:26,400 --> 04:02:32,580
whole other story. But he doesn't agree to it. I'm going to change my vote. Let me go

3163
04:02:32,580 --> 04:02:39,720
back to something. This is another option, potentials to use leave time. That's right.

3164
04:02:39,720 --> 04:02:43,640
I said, yeah, he talked to leave time for. Could use leave time, and that would avoid having

3165
04:02:43,640 --> 04:02:45,200
Well, what's the value on that?

3166
04:02:47,360 --> 04:02:49,500
We've got to pay money.

3167
04:02:51,440 --> 04:02:56,700
Well, I don't want to get into hypotheticals because each potential lawsuit, who knows?

3168
04:02:57,380 --> 04:02:59,200
And so, facts and circumstances, everything.

3169
04:02:59,440 --> 04:03:04,040
So, you can't play, you know, that type of game that you're dealing with what you have

3170
04:03:04,040 --> 04:03:04,920
here today.

3171
04:03:05,940 --> 04:03:10,600
So, let me ask you this, if you wanted to make changes next few days, would you be able

3172
04:03:10,600 --> 04:03:11,580
to change it?

3173
04:03:11,580 --> 04:03:18,540
as far as, well, it's all subject to union contracts and, you know, all those other things as well.

3174
04:03:18,880 --> 04:03:26,060
To the extent that the employees have been covered by union contract and they have certain rights.

3175
04:03:26,420 --> 04:03:29,600
We were talking about a major before if he wanted to make a change to a major.

3176
04:03:30,580 --> 04:03:36,180
I think it's in the contract that a major can be demoted but he would have to go, he doesn't get fired.

3177
04:03:36,180 --> 04:03:41,620
Right. He returns back to the senator. I guess I don't know the order to rank skies.

3178
04:03:41,780 --> 04:03:48,140
I'm sorry. Lieutenant. Right. That's that's up to him. Okay. If I, you know, so he'd still be able to conduct

3179
04:03:48,140 --> 04:03:52,500
every day business being suspended? No, if he's suspended, he would be awakened in the department.

3180
04:03:52,960 --> 04:04:01,240
So what's the word you want to use, Antonio? Because I pay for a significant temper rarely

3181
04:04:01,240 --> 04:04:05,040
significant pay reduction in his salary.

3182
04:04:05,580 --> 04:04:05,780
Okay.

3183
04:04:05,980 --> 04:04:07,860
Well, can you, would you take that?

3184
04:04:07,980 --> 04:04:10,800
To me, to me, a suspension is your home.

3185
04:04:11,100 --> 04:04:12,240
No, no, I don't want to.

3186
04:04:12,320 --> 04:04:13,140
I understand what you're saying.

3187
04:04:13,260 --> 04:04:15,180
It's in a bad way, but it's almost like home on vacation.

3188
04:04:15,740 --> 04:04:17,640
But the mayor has a good point, though.

3189
04:04:18,040 --> 04:04:21,800
If we're going to tell, give him parameters in six months to correct it,

3190
04:04:21,900 --> 04:04:23,960
it doesn't make sense for him to be home for a month.

3191
04:04:24,040 --> 04:04:25,460
Well, then let's get the correct wording.

3192
04:04:25,460 --> 04:04:27,400
Maybe Dave can help us with the correct wording,

3193
04:04:27,400 --> 04:04:27,980
but I agree.

3194
04:04:28,160 --> 04:04:29,120
I understand what you're saying.

3195
04:04:29,340 --> 04:04:30,640
I believe it's in the union contract.

3196
04:04:30,640 --> 04:04:32,120
Or what's the word?

3197
04:04:32,920 --> 04:04:34,280
If I may, I'm not called.

3198
04:04:34,760 --> 04:04:37,380
What you're referring to a temporary reduction in salary?

3199
04:04:37,620 --> 04:04:37,800
Correct.

3200
04:04:38,340 --> 04:04:40,020
So I'm not making a motion.

3201
04:04:40,140 --> 04:04:41,400
I'm just throwing out for discussion.

3202
04:04:42,340 --> 04:04:47,040
I would say a one month suspension of pay.

3203
04:04:47,940 --> 04:04:48,180
Okay.

3204
04:04:48,500 --> 04:04:49,720
And then 25.

3205
04:04:49,900 --> 04:04:50,760
That's not what he's saying.

3206
04:04:51,280 --> 04:04:53,420
He's asking to use accumulated time.

3207
04:04:53,540 --> 04:04:55,620
That's like telling a kid they can't watch TV.

3208
04:04:56,200 --> 04:04:58,640
And then I'm saying, but I've accumulated 400 hours

3209
04:04:58,640 --> 04:05:08,240
can I use them instead? Where's the discipline part then? If he's not getting paid for a month

3210
04:05:08,240 --> 04:05:13,540
and then... No, but he's not asking not to get paid. He's asking to have that taken off.

3211
04:05:13,640 --> 04:05:17,480
That's what he's asking. But I'm saying something different. What do you say?

3212
04:05:17,540 --> 04:05:20,840
As the commission... Well, what I'm saying is just paid him money, not current money.

3213
04:05:29,320 --> 04:05:29,700
I'm

3214
04:05:29,700 --> 04:05:34,360
six months is up. Can you ask somebody to come to work for a month without pay? No,

3215
04:05:34,540 --> 04:05:39,460
it works. I'm asking you to turn it. Does that exist in any world? I've got a question.

3216
04:05:40,000 --> 04:05:46,000
I hold on for a person with me. I'm dying for the answer. I think that you would end up doing

3217
04:05:46,000 --> 04:05:50,560
is just doing an overall adjustment to a salary, you know, commencing on a certain date,

3218
04:05:51,000 --> 04:05:56,160
because I don't think that you can have somebody do work for the city and not receive a salary.

3219
04:05:57,160 --> 04:06:04,860
So a 75% reduction for one month and then a 25% reduction for the remaining five months

3220
04:06:05,340 --> 04:06:07,080
until we review again.

3221
04:06:08,140 --> 04:06:09,920
We still comes into work.

3222
04:06:11,680 --> 04:06:20,640
We had a officer who I felt was very wrongly treated for picking up a child and moving

3223
04:06:20,640 --> 04:06:25,040
him out of a lunch room and had a month pay from his pay.

3224
04:06:26,840 --> 04:06:36,260
How was that work? Was that person home for a month? Were they working, but had the money that way?

3225
04:06:36,780 --> 04:06:42,840
It's two days that they get unpaid usually from the union contract. It's two days you service suspension unpaid.

3226
04:06:43,440 --> 04:06:48,540
And then the rest of the time they deduct your annual pay or whatever accumulated time paid you have.

3227
04:06:48,540 --> 04:06:51,560
You lose the money that's accumulated in your bank of time.

3228
04:06:52,660 --> 04:06:54,940
I have no understanding of what it has said.

3229
04:06:55,160 --> 04:06:58,300
I have covered using that, so I need some help with this.

3230
04:06:58,520 --> 04:07:02,420
But I have my law partner, Caroline's size has been patiently waiting in the back.

3231
04:07:02,580 --> 04:07:06,700
I know Caroline if you want to come up and possibly help with answering these questions.

3232
04:07:07,740 --> 04:07:09,940
I don't know, thanks of time.

3233
04:07:10,260 --> 04:07:10,840
Thanks of time.

3234
04:07:14,480 --> 04:07:15,720
Thank you, Caroline.

3235
04:07:18,780 --> 04:07:19,260
Thank you.

3236
04:07:19,260 --> 04:07:21,320
If you're serving a suspension,

3237
04:07:21,620 --> 04:07:23,600
you can serve it time-unpaid,

3238
04:07:23,840 --> 04:07:25,580
or you could have it taken from your leave bank,

3239
04:07:25,740 --> 04:07:26,860
so you report to work,

3240
04:07:27,200 --> 04:07:29,920
and that amount of suspension time

3241
04:07:29,920 --> 04:07:31,080
is just taken from your leave bank,

3242
04:07:31,080 --> 04:07:34,140
so ultimately when you separate from employment,

3243
04:07:34,960 --> 04:07:36,780
you're not paid for that amount.

3244
04:07:37,000 --> 04:07:38,680
That's where the suspension park comes in.

3245
04:07:38,960 --> 04:07:39,100
Okay.

3246
04:07:41,100 --> 04:07:42,000
They're clear?

3247
04:07:42,200 --> 04:07:42,760
It's still ahead.

3248
04:07:45,660 --> 04:07:47,540
Yeah, it's still ahead.

3249
04:07:47,540 --> 04:07:54,720
I don't care if you want to talk about the adjustment in the salary and how that might work similarly or with the leave something like that with the chief in his contract

3250
04:07:55,780 --> 04:07:58,300
Well, right, but I mean that would have to be a new

3251
04:07:59,900 --> 04:08:05,600
Employment yes is employment agreement, so that would have to be renegotiated with him. I don't know if you've conducted

3252
04:08:07,440 --> 04:08:08,740
evaluations or if that's up

3253
04:08:09,600 --> 04:08:12,540
Soon, we're that adjustment could be made at that time

3254
04:08:14,920 --> 04:08:23,420
Why wait for an evaluation? We have misconduct. It didn't go particularly my way. But this is where we're at now.

3255
04:08:23,860 --> 04:08:32,520
I'm not saying you have to wait for the evaluation. If I don't know if you've done it yet, you can call for an evaluation and then make an adjustment at that point.

3256
04:08:32,520 --> 04:08:39,580
I think the idea would be to, you know, upon a certain date, you know, that the salary

3257
04:08:39,580 --> 04:08:45,420
be reduced by 75% for the first month, and then 25% for the remaining five months,

3258
04:08:45,420 --> 04:08:48,780
and at the end of the six-month period, you would conduct an evaluation.

3259
04:08:49,880 --> 04:08:50,720
That's what I've heard.

3260
04:08:50,960 --> 04:08:51,920
I am correct.

3261
04:08:52,400 --> 04:08:53,080
Everything's great.

3262
04:08:53,220 --> 04:08:55,000
He gets everything back.

3263
04:08:55,360 --> 04:09:00,260
And if it's not, then it's our commissioner's fortune said bye-bye.

3264
04:09:01,080 --> 04:09:02,100
I'll go with that.

3265
04:09:05,080 --> 04:09:06,440
Listen, Joe, I'm sorry.

3266
04:09:07,460 --> 04:09:08,780
You put those bullets in the gun

3267
04:09:08,780 --> 04:09:09,980
and shut yourself for them.

3268
04:09:11,220 --> 04:09:13,240
This is going to have to make you

3269
04:09:13,240 --> 04:09:14,960
and everyone else know that you can't do this.

3270
04:09:15,280 --> 04:09:16,480
It's not acceptable behavior.

3271
04:09:17,940 --> 04:09:19,960
And I was taking notes earlier

3272
04:09:19,960 --> 04:09:21,300
if I might miss a minute.

3273
04:09:22,500 --> 04:09:24,380
Just regarding what I think

3274
04:09:24,380 --> 04:09:26,060
Commissioner Kajian has said there was also

3275
04:09:26,060 --> 04:09:28,600
comments related to training in person.

3276
04:09:28,620 --> 04:09:29,900
Oh, absolutely in person.

3277
04:09:29,900 --> 04:09:37,080
We just did an ethics diversity thing and it was on the computer where you just sit there. You just push buttons

3278
04:09:37,700 --> 04:09:42,420
No, in this case it's gotta be him. That's right. I said that I wrote

3279
04:09:43,580 --> 04:09:50,920
Department why all right, I miss that person. I miss that diversity training. Okay, I miss that person guys

3280
04:09:50,920 --> 04:09:52,640
We're gonna have to start

3281
04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:56,000
We're gonna have to put a new wheel together. So

3282
04:09:56,000 --> 04:10:04,620
So obviously, if people are writing texts at any time, they're not paying attention to

3283
04:10:04,620 --> 04:10:05,020
their training.

3284
04:10:06,340 --> 04:10:12,960
So we need to get people to pay attention to their training, because it's in the code.

3285
04:10:13,860 --> 04:10:16,560
So let's get people to understand that this can't be happening.

3286
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:23,180
What I'd also say is we

3287
04:10:25,420 --> 04:10:29,320
can, let's put together what we, what Antonio I believe is saying

3288
04:10:29,320 --> 04:10:35,800
because I agree with him, I agree with what Commissioner Vice Mayor Schwartz and we

3289
04:10:35,800 --> 04:10:40,320
give the chief an opportunity to agree to accept or to not.

3290
04:10:41,100 --> 04:10:47,040
And if he doesn't accept, I would call him meeting the next day and then pay him his money

3291
04:10:47,040 --> 04:10:52,440
and then he goes. He either agrees, he made this bed, he's got a lay in it. Either agrees

3292
04:10:52,440 --> 04:10:57,760
or he doesn't agree. And if he doesn't agree, it's, thank you for being here.

3293
04:11:00,420 --> 04:11:08,940
I have heard that prior to your, the last year's person prior to you, that chiefs prior to them

3294
04:11:09,460 --> 04:11:16,260
might not have been liked, but they were respected. They understood what was expected of them.

3295
04:11:16,260 --> 04:11:23,790
they understood the rules of the game. You have been described as too touchy

3296
04:11:23,790 --> 04:11:24,030
feeling.

3297
04:11:26,600 --> 04:11:30,060
I'm going to suggest that in this amount of time, if it means you

3298
04:11:30,060 --> 04:11:35,000
have to learn a whole new way of doing business, that people understand what's

3299
04:11:35,000 --> 04:11:39,880
expected of them, their superiors understand what's expected of them and will

3300
04:11:39,880 --> 04:11:45,160
not be tolerated otherwise, that the females who feel like they have been the

3301
04:11:45,160 --> 04:11:50,280
underdogs of the department and are trying to pave the way that it's better for the rest.

3302
04:11:50,740 --> 04:11:57,320
Get that respect. And that if there's a promotion that should be, that no one has the nerve

3303
04:11:57,320 --> 04:12:03,440
to say that if a female is promoted, it's because they were afraid we were afraid of a lawsuit.

3304
04:12:03,440 --> 04:12:08,880
It's because they should have been. And at the same point, I would suggest that whoever

3305
04:12:08,880 --> 04:12:14,680
whatever makes up whatever the percentage is on I know we changed it at your suggestion

3306
04:12:15,180 --> 04:12:20,620
that maybe there's I understand that other cities do 10% of evaluations from their

3307
04:12:20,620 --> 04:12:25,200
superiors and I think that should be looked at because you don't get a promotion anywhere

3308
04:12:25,200 --> 04:12:31,320
else where there isn't an evaluation that's seen by someone and we readjust everybody

3309
04:12:31,320 --> 04:12:36,400
knows if you want to crash somebody's career you do it on an oral exam because a true

3310
04:12:36,400 --> 04:12:41,400
You in fall to a multiple choice test has only one answer.

3311
04:12:42,480 --> 04:12:46,820
But I also was under the impression and correct me if I'm wrong, that I thought when

3312
04:12:46,820 --> 04:12:52,320
you did some of these exams, that you had someone from HR, that you had someone from

3313
04:12:52,320 --> 04:12:57,880
civil service sitting there, and that it wasn't just you and your three majors.

3314
04:12:57,880 --> 04:13:00,480
If that's not the case, then we have a problem.

3315
04:13:00,480 --> 04:13:09,580
And it also isn't that the people who are voting have to come within a certain band with that part.

3316
04:13:09,580 --> 04:13:12,920
He has to explain everything that they've never seen that before in my life.

3317
04:13:13,200 --> 04:13:21,580
Yes, basically the criteria is if we each category that the person is scored on have to be within two to three points of each other.

3318
04:13:21,920 --> 04:13:25,520
Or else you have to deliberate to find out why we're not on the same page with this for.

3319
04:13:26,280 --> 04:13:26,460
Okay.

3320
04:13:26,460 --> 04:13:28,380
I would also say that.

3321
04:13:28,380 --> 04:13:29,860
In the case of the last test that happened.

3322
04:13:30,100 --> 04:13:31,020
Why is HR?

3323
04:13:31,500 --> 04:13:33,460
It was HR and who else in that meeting?

3324
04:13:33,660 --> 04:13:34,200
That's not a law.

3325
04:13:35,040 --> 04:13:35,700
Civil service.

3326
04:13:35,700 --> 04:13:35,960
Civil service person.

3327
04:13:36,100 --> 04:13:36,300
Okay.

3328
04:13:36,700 --> 04:13:38,280
Why did they not have votes?

3329
04:13:39,820 --> 04:13:40,620
Is that...

3330
04:13:40,620 --> 04:13:46,840
That was taken out in, I think, 2014, where the Civil Service Board was disabled.

3331
04:13:47,300 --> 04:13:48,360
Before we got here.

3332
04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:51,400
It was cut out, and I think it was a power thing.

3333
04:13:52,080 --> 04:13:52,340
All right.

3334
04:13:52,500 --> 04:13:53,620
So, should we put it back in?

3335
04:13:54,000 --> 04:13:54,200
Probably.

3336
04:13:54,200 --> 04:14:00,120
I think we need to have as many people as special and people who are outside the inside

3337
04:14:01,260 --> 04:14:06,360
Being able sure to make a vote and and and one of the

3338
04:14:07,040 --> 04:14:09,780
People who I spoke with just a couple of days ago

3339
04:14:09,780 --> 04:14:11,560
said to me

3340
04:14:12,420 --> 04:14:12,940
Well

3341
04:14:13,640 --> 04:14:18,420
These people who get promotions they can't or don't get promotions

3342
04:14:19,360 --> 04:14:23,420
They can't trust the system and I said to them

3343
04:14:24,940 --> 04:14:26,820
I said, aren't you on the board?

3344
04:14:28,420 --> 04:14:34,580
Aren't you, I was sat with two people out of the four who voted and if they literally

3345
04:14:34,580 --> 04:14:39,560
walk out of one of these things saying that you can't trust us when they're half of the

3346
04:14:39,560 --> 04:14:47,020
committee and the committee has to be within that band with, well, there's a big problem

3347
04:14:47,020 --> 04:14:51,120
with those people who are sitting on that board who actually walk outside and say, you can't

3348
04:14:51,120 --> 04:14:52,300
trust them when they're on it.

3349
04:14:52,300 --> 04:14:59,980
That's bogus to the max yep all right so we have to make sure

3350
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,420
Or that we talk about making sure things are open and visible and all that stuff. I think

3351
04:15:06,420 --> 04:15:11,460
we need to make sure that people understand that there's four voting people on that, and

3352
04:15:11,460 --> 04:15:14,840
I spoke with two people who would tell me that people don't feel that they can trust

3353
04:15:14,840 --> 04:15:18,920
the results, and I'm like, you're on that board. Are you telling me that they're not supposed

3354
04:15:18,920 --> 04:15:19,780
to trust you?

3355
04:15:21,960 --> 04:15:26,280
Especially when it has to be within that family. So I think we need to get

3356
04:15:26,280 --> 04:15:32,880
more information out, letting people know what the criteria is, what the voting is, and I would

3357
04:15:32,880 --> 04:15:40,580
also ask that we get an HR person and a person from the civil service. If nothing else we consider

3358
04:15:40,580 --> 04:15:44,920
putting them back on, I think we need people from outside the department to make sure not only that

3359
04:15:45,600 --> 04:15:53,240
they're watching and making sure that it's right to being responsible for making a vote to make sure

3360
04:15:55,620 --> 04:16:01,140
I'd also like to suggest that we go back to when the Civil Service Board heard complaints

3361
04:16:01,140 --> 04:16:06,720
from people who felt that they were unjustly denied a position.

3362
04:16:07,380 --> 04:16:13,360
I would also suggest that instead of ten people being on a promotion list, we go back

3363
04:16:13,360 --> 04:16:16,260
to the fact that it used to be the top three.

3364
04:16:16,880 --> 04:16:21,760
And when that was over with, the test was done again because I will be very honest with you.

3365
04:16:21,760 --> 04:16:29,420
When number eight and nine get promoted off of a list of ten, it tells me that F minus minus is now a standard

3366
04:16:30,040 --> 04:16:31,580
Nobody does that

3367
04:16:31,580 --> 04:16:32,800
I agree

3368
04:16:32,800 --> 04:16:35,260
I agree with that

3369
04:16:35,860 --> 04:16:39,300
If you have the top scorers

3370
04:16:39,300 --> 04:16:43,340
Because what if you add the written and the oral together you have

3371
04:16:43,340 --> 04:16:46,440
Whatever the top people should get it you know

3372
04:16:46,440 --> 04:16:51,260
So this isn't like buying old rings for the space shuttle that you get the lowest one.

3373
04:16:51,640 --> 04:16:52,900
You know, this is important stuff.

3374
04:16:53,080 --> 04:16:54,980
I mean, that that the shuttle was wasn't important.

3375
04:16:55,200 --> 04:16:56,720
I can't believe that was in Europe.

3376
04:16:56,860 --> 04:16:58,120
I'm sorry, my, my-

3377
04:16:58,120 --> 04:17:00,520
Anyway, I'm just venting or just-

3378
04:17:00,520 --> 04:17:01,840
But I agree with you.

3379
04:17:02,340 --> 04:17:03,120
Alright, so where are we?

3380
04:17:03,360 --> 04:17:08,160
Just in FYI, a lot of stuff you're discussing and it's in the UU contract, so-

3381
04:17:08,160 --> 04:17:08,400
What?

3382
04:17:08,640 --> 04:17:11,140
I'm sure it's not the-

3383
04:17:11,140 --> 04:17:13,720
I'm sure it's not the-

3384
04:17:13,720 --> 04:17:14,460
We need to talk.

3385
04:17:14,880 --> 04:17:15,740
I'm sure it's not that-

3386
04:17:15,740 --> 04:17:16,360
I'm sure it's not that you could pick eight.

3387
04:17:16,360 --> 04:17:18,720
nine and skip over one through seven.

3388
04:17:18,860 --> 04:17:19,840
Well, if it's in the contract.

3389
04:17:20,020 --> 04:17:21,360
And if it is, that should change, too.

3390
04:17:21,940 --> 04:17:22,260
Okay.

3391
04:17:22,840 --> 04:17:23,540
In the contract.

3392
04:17:23,780 --> 04:17:23,940
All right.

3393
04:17:24,100 --> 04:17:25,680
So let's move this on.

3394
04:17:25,880 --> 04:17:26,060
All right.

3395
04:17:26,380 --> 04:17:26,420
So.

3396
04:17:27,680 --> 04:17:28,320
Good question.

3397
04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:30,060
We have, there was a recommendation.

3398
04:17:30,380 --> 04:17:30,940
There was a motion.

3399
04:17:31,080 --> 04:17:31,840
No, there was an emotion.

3400
04:17:31,880 --> 04:17:34,600
There was just a recommendation about the pay.

3401
04:17:35,840 --> 04:17:36,620
Do you remember what it was?

3402
04:17:36,720 --> 04:17:37,200
I don't remember.

3403
04:17:39,100 --> 04:17:42,660
So the motion, the motion, I'll make the official motion

3404
04:17:42,660 --> 04:17:59,520
reduction would be a one-month reduction in pay, the first month, and then 25% reduction

3405
04:17:59,520 --> 04:18:03,760
in pay for the remaining five months of the probationary period.

3406
04:18:06,620 --> 04:18:11,260
And then, of course, with the diversity in person, the diversity training.

3407
04:18:11,260 --> 04:18:13,020
Well, that will be accepted.

3408
04:18:13,680 --> 04:18:14,100
I'll accept it.

3409
04:18:14,100 --> 04:18:15,280
Oh, I'll accept it.

3410
04:18:15,280 --> 04:18:15,520
Okay.

3411
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:16,080
Okay.

3412
04:18:16,920 --> 04:18:21,220
And then a evaluation at the end of the six-month period.

3413
04:18:21,860 --> 04:18:22,820
I'll second that.

3414
04:18:22,880 --> 04:18:23,100
Yes.

3415
04:18:23,920 --> 04:18:25,040
I'll second that, Joe.

3416
04:18:25,380 --> 04:18:26,960
Would you accept that?

3417
04:18:27,180 --> 04:18:27,340
Yes.

3418
04:18:27,780 --> 04:18:27,980
Okay.

3419
04:18:28,220 --> 04:18:29,080
Then we can vote on it.

3420
04:18:29,140 --> 04:18:30,280
I would take my vote.

3421
04:18:30,460 --> 04:18:31,740
I've got to bring it back up to public.

3422
04:18:32,640 --> 04:18:33,700
It's part of that motion.

3423
04:18:33,700 --> 04:18:34,660
Basers to direct.

3424
04:18:35,180 --> 04:18:37,400
City Attorney's Office to draft an amendment to the employment.

3425
04:18:37,500 --> 04:18:37,920
Absolutely.

3426
04:18:37,920 --> 04:18:41,520
and authorize the mayor's city manager to sign it.

3427
04:18:41,520 --> 04:18:43,140
So we don't have to bring it back to you again.

3428
04:18:43,660 --> 04:18:44,060
Absolutely.

3429
04:18:45,720 --> 04:18:48,320
If there's anybody on clear, we could explain it again.

3430
04:18:48,600 --> 04:18:50,300
If anybody would like to come up and say anything else.

3431
04:18:52,180 --> 04:18:52,860
That's fine.

3432
04:18:53,660 --> 04:18:54,380
Anybody up here?

3433
04:18:55,020 --> 04:18:55,580
And your lights on?

3434
04:18:56,080 --> 04:18:56,540
Oh, sorry.

3435
04:18:57,520 --> 04:18:58,080
I'm sorry.

3436
04:18:58,860 --> 04:18:59,780
Is there anybody on Zoom?

3437
04:19:03,560 --> 04:19:03,900
Is it?

3438
04:19:05,780 --> 04:19:06,840
Is there hands raised?

3439
04:19:07,640 --> 04:19:08,120
All right.

3440
04:19:08,300 --> 04:19:08,580
Who is it?

3441
04:19:08,660 --> 04:19:08,960
Is there anyone?

3442
04:19:09,560 --> 04:19:10,260
First hand, they are.

3443
04:19:10,620 --> 04:19:11,300
They are.

3444
04:19:11,300 --> 04:19:18,820
AR. AR, are you there? Who's AR? We're about to find out. AR, can you unmute? I think

3445
04:19:18,820 --> 04:19:19,260
mute it?

3446
04:19:24,140 --> 04:19:24,460
All right, next.

3447
04:19:28,430 --> 04:19:35,390
M-P. M-P, many people. M-P? We're trying, next.

3448
04:19:40,310 --> 04:19:44,550
Martin's plus and found this name. Martin, Martin, you put your name down, you can speak.

3449
04:19:45,070 --> 04:19:45,390
Yeah, next.

3450
04:19:48,730 --> 04:19:52,570
I think he spoke earlier. Is that the... Yeah, well, he's the guy who said

3451
04:19:52,570 --> 04:19:55,790
you're in a no-win position, I don't know what to do, not that I paid attention.

3452
04:19:57,130 --> 04:19:57,970
So no?

3453
04:19:58,130 --> 04:19:58,910
Yes, there's a few guys.

3454
04:19:58,990 --> 04:20:00,210
Oh, it's a different motion.

3455
04:20:00,210 --> 04:20:01,230
It's a different motion.

3456
04:20:01,530 --> 04:20:01,730
Okay.

3457
04:20:01,890 --> 04:20:02,610
John, are you there?

3458
04:20:03,010 --> 04:20:03,350
It's here.

3459
04:20:06,880 --> 04:20:07,240
John.

3460
04:20:07,980 --> 04:20:08,340
Yeah.

3461
04:20:08,600 --> 04:20:09,120
How are you doing, John?

3462
04:20:09,280 --> 04:20:09,600
We hear you.

3463
04:20:10,700 --> 04:20:10,960
Okay.

3464
04:20:13,160 --> 04:20:19,080
So I'm just curious, what we're talking about is you're talking about suspending his pay

3465
04:20:19,080 --> 04:20:28,140
for a month or cut for reducing it 75% right and then 25% over the next five months that was on this expansion.

3466
04:20:29,240 --> 04:20:39,040
Oh, the most I didn't hear what he said is that if you're going to suspend them as well and you have to explain why you didn't do that if you want to explain.

3467
04:20:39,620 --> 04:20:40,020
Thank you, sir.

3468
04:20:41,360 --> 04:20:42,320
We're motion.

3469
04:20:42,700 --> 04:20:48,760
If you want to repeat the motion, yeah, the baby tells the city attorney the current motion is.

3470
04:20:49,080 --> 04:20:56,340
that the salary be reduced by 75% in the first month and 25% for the following five months

3471
04:20:56,840 --> 04:21:00,500
and then a evaluation at the conclusion of the six month period.

3472
04:21:03,220 --> 04:21:04,180
So essentially you're still

3473
04:21:04,180 --> 04:21:11,840
going to be paying him really again you're still putting yourself into no one's situation. I mean

3474
04:21:11,840 --> 04:21:17,120
no matter what you do you're going to have to pay him and at the end of this what happens when

3475
04:21:17,120 --> 04:21:22,520
more stuff comes out, more stuff comes out, like the mayor was saying. You're just putting

3476
04:21:22,520 --> 04:21:29,880
yourself in a deeper hole. I don't understand why you're talking about suspending this

3477
04:21:29,880 --> 04:21:35,400
pay. If realistically you're still going to be paying him. He's not losing anything.

3478
04:21:35,920 --> 04:21:40,480
He may be losing a couple of shackles here and there, but he also was saying that he could

3479
04:21:40,480 --> 04:21:43,020
you could take it out of time accrued.

3480
04:21:43,860 --> 04:21:46,280
So essentially, he's not losing anything.

3481
04:21:47,140 --> 04:21:49,820
It's not gonna come out of time accrued.

3482
04:21:50,120 --> 04:21:50,220
Yeah.

3483
04:21:50,720 --> 04:21:52,420
And I don't disagree with you, John,

3484
04:21:52,900 --> 04:21:55,540
but I was on the losing side and so now I'm,

3485
04:21:56,060 --> 04:22:00,220
I made a commitment to respect the board's vote

3486
04:22:00,220 --> 04:22:01,620
and move forward.

3487
04:22:01,880 --> 04:22:05,240
So this is the next thing that I could come up with.

3488
04:22:07,560 --> 04:22:09,260
I'm not on the board,

3489
04:22:09,260 --> 04:22:16,560
But my suggestion would be that if you, if within the first month, if more allegations

3490
04:22:16,560 --> 04:22:21,640
come out, he should be suspended immediately without pay, if this is the way you guys

3491
04:22:21,640 --> 04:22:22,260
are going to go.

3492
04:22:22,440 --> 04:22:25,520
I mean, that would be the smart move, in my opinion.

3493
04:22:26,240 --> 04:22:27,900
And that's all I have to say.

3494
04:22:28,020 --> 04:22:28,480
Thank you.

3495
04:22:30,040 --> 04:22:35,460
I'm talking to ask the question, because maybe it has to be part of this as opposed to anything

3496
04:22:35,460 --> 04:22:35,900
else.

3497
04:22:35,900 --> 04:22:49,280
I would request the city manager and anybody else that if more stuff comes up then maybe by the second month we reevaluate this if it is beyond repair.

3498
04:22:50,300 --> 04:22:51,600
You know that's common.

3499
04:22:52,100 --> 04:22:55,720
I would rather wait six months and be done with it.

3500
04:22:55,940 --> 04:22:57,580
We treat those as a case by case.

3501
04:23:00,340 --> 04:23:06,840
If I might respond to that because you as the City Commission know that you have the

3502
04:23:07,820 --> 04:23:14,380
duty and responsibility to hire fire discipline the chief of police. So the issue is that if

3503
04:23:14,380 --> 04:23:21,900
there are rumors or there's an email sent or something like that that you know isn't

3504
04:23:21,900 --> 04:23:31,140
isn't necessarily in the form of a complaint, which is what you've seen, then, you know, whose responsibility, you know, legally, is it to bring it to you?

3505
04:23:31,600 --> 04:23:39,400
Is the city manager isn't necessarily the gatekeeper for complaints against the chief of police?

3506
04:23:40,040 --> 04:23:42,880
He's been acting as a gatekeeper when he receives a complaint.

3507
04:23:43,160 --> 04:23:43,800
And who is?

3508
04:23:44,180 --> 04:23:45,760
So, that's his question.

3509
04:23:45,760 --> 04:23:49,540
Yeah, but correct me. Is it the chain? I thought if an officer has a plan, they have to go to their

3510
04:23:49,960 --> 04:23:54,700
sergeant. They go to the superior, but the problem is if their superior is the chief,

3511
04:23:55,120 --> 04:23:59,080
then it's got to come to you. Correct. Should it not happen? But I mean,

3512
04:23:59,140 --> 04:24:04,440
by the way, everything else goes to the chief or to IA and they handle that. Okay.

3513
04:24:04,660 --> 04:24:10,380
Like with respect to issues related to timeliness of reporting text messages from those officers

3514
04:24:10,380 --> 04:24:14,140
that don't necessarily. But let me let me ask you some questions because there was a complaint

3515
04:24:14,140 --> 04:24:20,180
that came through today. Yes. And it was from a major. Yes. And it was regarding a lieutenant

3516
04:24:20,180 --> 04:24:24,980
and somebody else. How do you handle something like that? Well, because you're basically,

3517
04:24:24,980 --> 04:24:31,300
it's a major making a complaint about, what was it, sorry, I don't even remember when it was just

3518
04:24:31,300 --> 04:24:31,520
sorry.

3519
04:24:34,560 --> 04:24:40,940
Yeah, but it was in lieu of the two also that were lower than the change for them.

3520
04:24:40,940 --> 04:24:44,840
So why wouldn't they go to their superior? It's almost like right now everybody is

3521
04:24:45,300 --> 04:24:48,820
Going right to the city manager and I feel bad for him because he's gonna get bombarded

3522
04:24:48,820 --> 04:24:53,240
But it's gonna be like you know what this officer went right to the city manager. So where does it stop?

3523
04:24:53,440 --> 04:24:55,700
I mean, we have to put some sort of let them know

3524
04:24:56,560 --> 04:25:00,260
There's just why we do not tell people that if you're

3525
04:25:01,020 --> 04:25:03,260
Rankin file you go to a sergeant

3526
04:25:04,200 --> 04:25:05,820
Exactly the sergeant

3527
04:25:06,220 --> 04:25:10,140
If it rises to an occasion. I would assume that a sergeant can't handle

3528
04:25:10,140 --> 04:25:15,020
they have to take it to a lieutenant, but I would still like to see the people in charge

3529
04:25:15,020 --> 04:25:22,200
of whom ever take care of the issue unless it's so agree just that it's over their skill

3530
04:25:22,200 --> 04:25:22,580
level.

3531
04:25:23,260 --> 04:25:28,080
And I would have to defer to the, you know, internal affairs officers or police department

3532
04:25:28,080 --> 04:25:32,640
as far as how they handle that, but as far as what you're dealing with and what you're

3533
04:25:32,640 --> 04:25:37,740
seeing, you know, that's, you know, the past couple has been the gatekeeper because he

3534
04:25:37,740 --> 04:25:43,580
It's a complaint and brings it to you, because you're the only ones that can take any action or direct any action.

3535
04:25:43,800 --> 04:25:46,120
It is such a bond how all of this came about.

3536
04:25:46,440 --> 04:25:55,080
Yeah, but isn't it strange how if there's a complaint by an officer, city manager can receive it via major.

3537
04:25:56,740 --> 04:25:57,520
Am I correct?

3538
04:25:58,360 --> 04:25:59,380
That's how it's happened.

3539
04:25:59,540 --> 04:26:01,160
Yes, because it might have stayed.

3540
04:26:01,260 --> 04:26:02,080
Isn't that a problem?

3541
04:26:02,080 --> 04:26:30,460
I think there isn't a definite issue with respect to the reporting of complaints that involve the chief, maybe involved majors because of the fact that the chief is their supervisor, but that's how the current process is set up, and I think the chief said he's, you know, he's going to look at things and maybe that's something that he looks at to see how there is a better reporting process, how there's a better investigative process.

3542
04:26:30,460 --> 04:26:38,960
If it's needed to go to an outside third party, not as that get done, so that the officers are confident that there's a fair and impartial investigation

3543
04:26:38,960 --> 04:26:42,200
performed, and those are all things that can be accomplished.

3544
04:26:44,580 --> 04:26:47,080
Would the Civil Service Board help in that regard?

3545
04:26:47,720 --> 04:26:48,500
Not currently.

3546
04:26:49,220 --> 04:26:50,160
But they use it.

3547
04:26:50,160 --> 04:26:50,640
I don't know.

3548
04:26:51,060 --> 04:26:56,740
But if we brought it back, would that help to bring compliance rights straight to the Civil Service Board?

3549
04:26:57,160 --> 04:26:58,660
That's something we can discuss.

3550
04:26:59,200 --> 04:26:59,580
Okay.

3551
04:26:59,580 --> 04:27:01,980
I used to be their job.

3552
04:27:02,600 --> 04:27:04,100
All right. So, everybody's clear on the motion.

3553
04:27:04,640 --> 04:27:05,720
Zoom is done.

3554
04:27:06,080 --> 04:27:06,580
We have one more?

3555
04:27:07,480 --> 04:27:07,780
A.R.

3556
04:27:07,900 --> 04:27:08,280
Two more.

3557
04:27:08,480 --> 04:27:08,980
Two more.

3558
04:27:09,060 --> 04:27:09,280
Two more.

3559
04:27:09,280 --> 04:27:09,680
Who's that?

3560
04:27:12,720 --> 04:27:13,080
Z.

3561
04:27:13,780 --> 04:27:13,960
Crem.

3562
04:27:14,400 --> 04:27:14,540
All

3563
04:27:16,620 --> 04:27:17,260
right.

3564
04:27:17,500 --> 04:27:18,560
Try that the last one.

3565
04:27:18,880 --> 04:27:19,420
Is there any more?

3566
04:27:20,920 --> 04:27:22,800
We have, we have another one, so we have Reggie.

3567
04:27:23,200 --> 04:27:23,780
Some low.

3568
04:27:25,140 --> 04:27:25,920
D, same well?

3569
04:27:26,480 --> 04:27:26,880
Reggie.

3570
04:27:27,760 --> 04:27:28,160
Reggie.

3571
04:27:29,660 --> 04:27:30,440
Can you hear us?

3572
04:27:30,440 --> 04:27:37,060
Yes. Yes. How are you? We're here. You say your please your full name. Yes, it's

3573
04:27:37,060 --> 04:27:44,320
Rajeev Somal, Marguid resident, just as I would suggest contracting the police

3574
04:27:44,320 --> 04:27:46,200
department to the Brown County Sheriff.

3575
04:27:49,100 --> 04:27:50,140
What do you say?

3576
04:27:54,020 --> 04:27:55,140
All right.

3577
04:27:55,700 --> 04:27:58,160
Is anybody else?

3578
04:27:59,040 --> 04:27:59,160
Yeah.

3579
04:27:59,840 --> 04:28:00,500
All right.

3580
04:28:00,580 --> 04:28:01,000
Call the roll.

3581
04:28:02,160 --> 04:28:02,720
Oh.

3582
04:28:05,970 --> 04:28:06,530
Marty.

3583
04:28:06,830 --> 04:28:07,570
Marty Cappello.

3584
04:28:07,950 --> 04:28:08,950
Marty, can you hear us?

3585
04:28:11,910 --> 04:28:12,150
Marty?

3586
04:28:15,910 --> 04:28:16,330
All right.

3587
04:28:16,850 --> 04:28:17,090
All right.

3588
04:28:17,430 --> 04:28:18,270
No buttons pressed.

3589
04:28:18,490 --> 04:28:18,930
No public.

3590
04:28:19,150 --> 04:28:19,730
Call the roll, please.

3591
04:28:20,450 --> 04:28:21,230
Mr. Cajiano.

3592
04:28:21,510 --> 04:28:21,670
Yes.

3593
04:28:22,130 --> 04:28:22,730
Mr. Smone.

3594
04:28:23,250 --> 04:28:23,430
No.

3595
04:28:24,070 --> 04:28:24,850
Mr. Serio.

3596
04:28:25,790 --> 04:28:26,350
Yes.

3597
04:28:27,130 --> 04:28:27,770
By the way, I'm sorry.

3598
04:28:27,770 --> 04:28:32,470
Yes, Mayor Schor. Yes, Mayor Mazzona. Yes, now a couple more things.

3599
04:28:34,130 --> 04:28:41,470
Yeah, about the, about the, the Paulman-Widen person harassment diversity training.

3600
04:28:41,750 --> 04:28:44,210
In person. If I can just before that.

3601
04:28:44,990 --> 04:28:49,550
I still think we need to get to the root of all of the issues and concerns.

3602
04:28:49,550 --> 04:28:59,700
I do think that we should still conduct additional investigations, and I'm not necessarily

3603
04:28:59,700 --> 04:29:05,960
pointing them at the chief, although he probably is included in that, but to see what

3604
04:29:05,960 --> 04:29:06,960
else is going on.

3605
04:29:07,900 --> 04:29:11,220
I have no problem going as the mayor said with that.

3606
04:29:11,400 --> 04:29:18,300
That's why it all out for the third-party investigator, so that this way we can come back and we

3607
04:29:18,300 --> 04:29:20,440
We know the issues and we can come up with solutions.

3608
04:29:21,840 --> 04:29:29,520
The current investigator is here, at least like to see what she has to say or recommend.

3609
04:29:30,260 --> 04:29:31,700
I just figured out who she is.

3610
04:29:32,380 --> 04:29:36,700
You know, we know what we need to continue to fulfill.

3611
04:29:38,620 --> 04:29:40,100
Rhea Chattergune is here.

3612
04:29:41,180 --> 04:29:42,320
She's been sitting very patiently.

3613
04:29:43,700 --> 04:29:46,120
We haven't had a 12 o'clock meeting in years.

3614
04:29:47,480 --> 04:29:49,120
So I apologize.

3615
04:29:50,200 --> 04:29:58,820
Good night everyone. My name is Rhea Chattergoon. I was the investigator on the matter. I wrote the report that you guys have been debating all night.

3616
04:29:58,820 --> 04:29:59,380
Thank you.

3617
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:19,560
I practice in the field of employment discrimination. I represent both employer and employees, and I conduct investigations, third party investigations. I've conducted a number of investigations for a number of police departments in South Florida. And I'm happy to entertain any questions you may have.

3618
04:30:22,290 --> 04:30:31,150
I know there were, there was one report regarding the limited scope of the text messages. During that,

3619
04:30:31,150 --> 04:30:42,530
investigation there were some other issues that were raised by police officers who I interviewed

3620
04:30:42,530 --> 04:30:48,190
during the investigation. Sorry, it's late. And there were some issues that concerned me,

3621
04:30:48,450 --> 04:30:55,430
which is why I prepared a second correspondence addressing those issues and suggesting and

3622
04:30:55,430 --> 04:30:59,990
recommending a continued investigation on those issues.

3623
04:31:00,730 --> 04:31:07,690
The scope of my investigation with regard to the text messages, like I said, were limited.

3624
04:31:08,550 --> 04:31:17,150
There were some issues that I did want to explore, but I didn't, because the scope was determined

3625
04:31:17,150 --> 04:31:26,590
whether the text messages existed, whether they were sent and to determine whether hostile work

3626
04:31:26,590 --> 04:31:35,570
environment and or discrimination was present. As been discussed tonight, the chief did admit to

3627
04:31:35,570 --> 04:31:43,450
sending the text messages. What concerned me about the text messages was not just that they were sent,

3628
04:31:43,450 --> 04:31:53,570
But the tone of the message, there were some portions of the messages that were included,

3629
04:31:54,530 --> 04:32:01,930
specifically that the chief did not want to promote Lieutenant Marrero.

3630
04:32:02,730 --> 04:32:04,670
I believe she's had a name change, I apologize.

3631
04:32:07,410 --> 04:32:11,850
He did not want to promote her and that he would remote her if he could.

3632
04:32:12,430 --> 04:32:17,870
that was alarming to me and I don't let me let me say I don't live in your city

3633
04:32:17,870 --> 04:32:22,010
I never googled anything about your city before the investigation I do that

3634
04:32:22,010 --> 04:32:26,950
purposely because I don't want to be influenced and actually today was the

3635
04:32:26,950 --> 04:32:31,130
first day I found out that there was a no-confidence vote I had no

3636
04:32:31,130 --> 04:32:37,510
communications with the the PBA president or anything like that so today was the

3637
04:32:37,510 --> 04:32:39,950
first day I found that out sitting here in this meeting.

3638
04:32:41,270 --> 04:32:48,050
You do have some issues within the police department that I think need to be investigated,

3639
04:32:48,210 --> 04:32:50,090
whether it's me or another investigator.

3640
04:32:50,790 --> 04:32:54,690
I do think, from a legal perspective, you want to look into some of those issues.

3641
04:32:55,490 --> 04:33:02,310
That was part of my job, was not only ascertaining whether the text messages existed, but also to

3642
04:33:02,890 --> 04:33:06,170
determine what liability, if any, there would be for the city.

3643
04:33:06,770 --> 04:33:11,470
and so I think in order to give an opinion on that, a further investigation is needed.

3644
04:33:12,850 --> 04:33:20,410
May I ask what things you suggest we additionally look into? I know you had mentioned a couple

3645
04:33:20,410 --> 04:33:23,370
things in the report. Are there any other things that maybe weren't mentioned?

3646
04:33:24,610 --> 04:33:30,390
I prepared a second correspondence. I'm not sure if that's already public, been made public.

3647
04:33:30,930 --> 04:33:36,770
But there was with Sergeant Blanton, the promotional exam, which you guys have already discussed tonight.

3648
04:33:39,430 --> 04:33:47,590
I'll be very honest with you, there was a discussion with the K-9 unit and the promotion

3649
04:33:47,590 --> 04:33:52,870
in that portion of it with a female officer, and that she had to go through additional

3650
04:33:52,870 --> 04:33:56,390
hoops to get the same treatment as a male officer.

3651
04:33:56,390 --> 04:34:04,010
So, that was a little concerning, and I think it should be looked into a little bit more than I was given the opportunity to.

3652
04:34:04,670 --> 04:34:20,850
And do you think, and I don't want specific names or anything like that, but do you think in fairness to the chief that there's potentially other bad actors that the city needs to look at, or is it strictly?

3653
04:34:20,850 --> 04:34:28,270
I can't comment on that because the scope of my investigation was the complaint to towards

3654
04:34:28,270 --> 04:34:35,710
the chief or against the chief. So I can't really comment on that. I mean, I will tell you

3655
04:34:35,710 --> 04:34:43,090
from interviewing the various police officers that, you know, you have some other issues going

3656
04:34:43,090 --> 04:34:48,530
on in the department that you guys have discussed here and that the residents have raised and

3657
04:34:48,530 --> 04:34:53,030
the police officers have raised, so I can't really comment on that because I don't have

3658
04:34:53,030 --> 04:34:54,570
the facts for that, just to support that.

3659
04:34:56,820 --> 04:35:03,860
Well, because I clearly read all of that, no one woke up that morning and decided to

3660
04:35:03,860 --> 04:35:10,800
make the comment that we read, yet there was nothing prior to to show me how that came

3661
04:35:10,800 --> 04:35:17,280
about because again, and I had no intentions of ever repeating what the comment was, but

3662
04:35:17,280 --> 04:35:25,400
It was a standalone and I didn't see what had been asked before that to have elicited something

3663
04:35:25,400 --> 04:35:33,820
like that. And I think it's curious that if we're going to see some, show me all. You understand

3664
04:35:33,820 --> 04:35:38,440
what I'm saying to you. Yes, I understand and I think you're referring to that one text message,

3665
04:35:38,440 --> 04:35:45,480
which I won't repeat. Prior to that and I believe I produced the chain of text messages that I

3666
04:35:45,480 --> 04:35:46,480
did receive.

3667
04:35:49,540 --> 04:35:53,120
I'm going to tell you that the way I got it, some of them were

3668
04:35:53,120 --> 04:35:57,480
repeated constantly, but I didn't have a time or a day to know what really

3669
04:35:57,480 --> 04:36:01,800
came. And that made it very difficult. The ones I never wanted to see again

3670
04:36:01,800 --> 04:36:07,660
were over and over and over. And I had no context as to where it really belonged.

3671
04:36:07,860 --> 04:36:12,840
But if I read it the way I read it, I should have seen something that brought up

3672
04:36:12,840 --> 04:36:16,040
that whole subject because again, I don't believe you just wake up in the morning

3673
04:36:16,040 --> 04:36:22,000
and decided to make a comment like that unless somehow it was elicited from you or the other person

3674
04:36:22,000 --> 04:36:27,540
was having a conversation that led to it. I do think it was a conversation that led to it. I do

3675
04:36:27,540 --> 04:36:38,100
believe the chain of text messages that I were able to obtain. And let me make it clear, I had to

3676
04:36:38,100 --> 04:36:44,960
really seek to get those text messages. I heard Sergeant Horn get up here and talk about the releasing

3677
04:36:44,960 --> 04:36:50,420
of the text messages. I did have to hunt those down and that's why my investigation took

3678
04:36:50,420 --> 04:36:59,800
a little bit longer than it probably should have. The chain of messages is a conversation

3679
04:36:59,800 --> 04:37:08,820
between two people. One of those people, Sergeant Horn, happened to be Lieutenant Moreiro's

3680
04:37:10,580 --> 04:37:16,800
And so the chain of text messages, as I read them, was Sergeant Horn making a comment

3681
04:37:16,800 --> 04:37:21,120
about Lieutenant Marrero, and then that's where the comments came in.

3682
04:37:21,360 --> 04:37:27,040
And in fairness, I would have liked to have seen Sergeant Horn's comment, because as passionate

3683
04:37:27,040 --> 04:37:31,920
as he was standing here, I do believe it's in that.

3684
04:37:31,960 --> 04:37:32,380
That's in the cloud.

3685
04:37:32,680 --> 04:37:33,120
Yeah.

3686
04:37:33,480 --> 04:37:34,260
Well, it's in the cloud.

3687
04:37:34,260 --> 04:37:38,960
I don't, I have, I haven't been elevated yet and I'm in no rush to get here.

3688
04:37:39,140 --> 04:37:43,200
I do believe those in there in the additional text messages, I attach.

3689
04:37:43,500 --> 04:37:48,280
All right, then maybe I'm missing something because I sure as heck did not see what elicited that response,

3690
04:37:48,680 --> 04:37:54,920
but I also have to know that having read just that section, not the second section,

3691
04:37:55,080 --> 04:38:00,100
the addendum part, which is clearly only about one particular thing in a promotion,

3692
04:38:01,640 --> 04:38:13,120
that, oh, that's taxis here, I didn't, that wasn't as offensive to me as the first part

3693
04:38:13,120 --> 04:38:18,860
for obvious reasons because the second part was about someone who should never have said

3694
04:38:18,860 --> 04:38:24,440
to a subordinate, congratulations, there's something coming and they were in Barcelona when

3695
04:38:24,440 --> 04:38:25,000
they heard that.

3696
04:38:25,580 --> 04:38:29,860
So I got that and I understood why that didn't happen because someone did not retire.

3697
04:38:30,500 --> 04:38:36,040
nobody's fault. And I get the fact that the second time it probably didn't happen

3698
04:38:36,040 --> 04:38:41,640
because a list expired. And the third time, if I'm wrong, tell me.

3699
04:38:41,800 --> 04:38:48,060
Well, I think that's part of my recommendation for the second part is why was

3700
04:38:48,060 --> 04:38:52,340
that list allowed to be expired? And I think that needs to be looked into.

3701
04:38:52,520 --> 04:38:58,940
Okay. Which has a lot to be fair, which has a lot to do with the context of this.

3702
04:38:58,940 --> 04:39:03,940
correct which would never have come to us otherwise because it's just not part of our

3703
04:39:03,940 --> 04:39:11,380
purview. It disturbed me that all of that came the way it came because there were also

3704
04:39:11,380 --> 04:39:16,900
text messages there that said to somebody, stop. I didn't have anything to do with it.

3705
04:39:17,000 --> 04:39:21,480
Now that's not true and that person had something to do with it then we need to know that too.

3706
04:39:21,480 --> 04:39:28,460
So correct, but yeah, just I don't have the answers to your question because that's

3707
04:39:28,460 --> 04:39:31,340
why I recommended an additional investigation.

3708
04:39:31,860 --> 04:39:33,000
Thank you.

3709
04:39:33,320 --> 04:39:34,340
Commissioner Semon.

3710
04:39:36,420 --> 04:39:39,580
I think we know I think we need to keep her.

3711
04:39:40,000 --> 04:39:45,760
She's already started and to start with somebody brand new is just going to open everything

3712
04:39:45,760 --> 04:39:47,780
up again and take even longer.

3713
04:39:47,780 --> 04:39:56,800
But I also think that we need to give her free reign to do a complete investigation and ask the questions and seek the answers that she wants to seek.

3714
04:39:58,950 --> 04:40:02,430
Let me just correct that. It's not seek the answers I want to seek.

3715
04:40:04,110 --> 04:40:05,150
That's not what I meant.

3716
04:40:05,450 --> 04:40:08,610
Well, the problem is I hear your residents.

3717
04:40:08,970 --> 04:40:11,850
And so let me be clear. I've never met any of the commission.

3718
04:40:12,350 --> 04:40:15,250
This is the first day. I'm actually meeting them.

3719
04:40:16,290 --> 04:40:22,270
And I do this purposely when I do investigations because I do want it to be a neutral investigation.

3720
04:40:22,530 --> 04:40:26,450
You know, I don't have anything against Chief Galaska.

3721
04:40:26,670 --> 04:40:28,630
I met him for the first time in the interview.

3722
04:40:29,350 --> 04:40:33,650
And I explained to him during the interview, you know, I'm going to have to say

3723
04:40:34,390 --> 04:40:37,830
you wrote these messages because I have them and he understood that.

3724
04:40:39,330 --> 04:40:46,450
So, you know, I want to be very clear that, you know, as an investigator, you don't have

3725
04:40:47,270 --> 04:40:53,950
a dog in the fight, right? I don't live in your city. This isn't going to affect me

3726
04:40:54,750 --> 04:41:00,450
regardless of the decision, regardless of the decision if you keep me to continue the investigation.

3727
04:41:00,790 --> 04:41:05,290
I think even if you hire another investigator that comes in, they're going to have to read my report

3728
04:41:05,290 --> 04:41:10,630
and sort of go from there, and any qualified investigator will be able to do that.

3729
04:41:11,510 --> 04:41:16,930
My qualifications come from, I represent both employer and employees, I represented cities

3730
04:41:16,930 --> 04:41:23,330
before, I represented employees who sue cities. So I do have that unique experience with that,

3731
04:41:23,490 --> 04:41:27,230
and I think that's why your city attorney reached out to me.

3732
04:41:29,500 --> 04:41:35,640
But you agree that regardless of who continues this, it needs to be beginning a middle and a

3733
04:41:35,640 --> 04:41:41,240
end, and so if people have grievances, they need to have a timely amount of time to

3734
04:41:41,970 --> 04:41:47,340
bring it forward because I want to keep hearing about this five months later when somebody

3735
04:41:47,340 --> 04:41:52,640
just thought of something new, that if indeed this is a deep-seated problem, we need to know

3736
04:41:52,640 --> 04:41:53,220
about it.

3737
04:41:56,100 --> 04:41:57,420
Can I answer that, David?

3738
04:41:58,800 --> 04:41:58,920
Okay.

3739
04:41:59,680 --> 04:42:00,260
I'm not saying anything.

3740
04:42:00,260 --> 04:42:09,460
My only comment to that is, based on my investigation, I will tell you that there is a deep-seated

3741
04:42:09,460 --> 04:42:15,580
fear of retaliation within the department, from the police officers that I have interviewed.

3742
04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:20,100
No, no, I know, but from whom? From the chief? Or retaliation from whom?

3743
04:42:20,240 --> 04:42:26,700
Yes, yes. From the chief. From the top, from the chief, okay? And so, you know,

3744
04:42:26,700 --> 04:42:33,740
So that always, and the police department, fire department is very unique in their culture.

3745
04:42:34,080 --> 04:42:39,920
Because it's not a culture where you go complain against someone within the department.

3746
04:42:40,340 --> 04:42:46,300
I think you saw the text messages as said, you know, you broke code or you crossed the

3747
04:42:46,300 --> 04:42:46,860
blue line.

3748
04:42:47,320 --> 04:42:49,800
You see things like that when I do investigations.

3749
04:42:50,440 --> 04:42:56,500
So I think putting a time limit, I mean, I'm sure you can, you know, we have statutes

3750
04:42:56,500 --> 04:42:59,120
of limitations in different types of cases, that sort of thing.

3751
04:42:59,660 --> 04:43:04,180
You could do that, but I think you need to be sensitive to your employees and then the

3752
04:43:04,180 --> 04:43:08,440
particular agencies that you're working with because there's different cultures within

3753
04:43:08,440 --> 04:43:08,800
each agency.

3754
04:43:08,800 --> 04:43:10,960
No, I just meant with this one.

3755
04:43:11,460 --> 04:43:18,200
When this goes on, I would like to hope that there's something that comes from the investigation,

3756
04:43:18,560 --> 04:43:24,380
but yet six months after it's over with to have somebody say, gee, I forgot something that

3757
04:43:24,380 --> 04:43:25,540
that happened three years ago.

3758
04:43:25,980 --> 04:43:28,100
There's got to be a beginning of middle and an end

3759
04:43:28,100 --> 04:43:30,820
so that some kind of decision is made

3760
04:43:31,440 --> 04:43:34,040
without somebody saying, I should have told you this.

3761
04:43:34,300 --> 04:43:36,880
So, you know, I mean, I would agree with that

3762
04:43:36,880 --> 04:43:39,740
in fairness to the chief.

3763
04:43:40,560 --> 04:43:41,880
In fairness to everyone.

3764
04:43:42,620 --> 04:43:43,740
Including on sitting up here.

3765
04:43:43,920 --> 04:43:47,300
So, yeah, I mean, I do think that if you are going

3766
04:43:47,300 --> 04:43:50,000
to continue the investigation,

3767
04:43:52,300 --> 04:43:57,000
that maybe a statement be put out that, you know, if you have a complaint, if something's

3768
04:43:57,000 --> 04:44:00,840
going on, this is a time you're allowed to do it. I don't know what the charter says.

3769
04:44:01,200 --> 04:44:05,900
I haven't reviewed your charter. All of that. So you'd have to get guidance from David on that.

3770
04:44:07,560 --> 04:44:15,120
And regardless of whether it's the chief or not, if there are some deep-seated problems that have been going on for ten years, five years, we need to know.

3771
04:44:16,340 --> 04:44:19,680
I don't think for one moment it's all about him.

3772
04:44:20,340 --> 04:44:23,100
I think there's been a culture for a very long time

3773
04:44:23,100 --> 04:44:25,760
that either people are willing to live with,

3774
04:44:26,760 --> 04:44:29,120
retired from, or whatever,

3775
04:44:30,060 --> 04:44:31,260
or found themselves moving,

3776
04:44:31,720 --> 04:44:34,580
having been upward mobility

3777
04:44:34,580 --> 04:44:36,380
and it didn't become a problem anymore.

3778
04:44:36,620 --> 04:44:41,060
But I believe it's way more than just today

3779
04:44:41,060 --> 04:44:44,140
or what I've read because it has to be.

3780
04:44:44,140 --> 04:44:50,380
And I heard that today, let me be just very clear, my investigation was based on this company.

3781
04:44:50,380 --> 04:44:50,920
No, I know that.

3782
04:44:51,000 --> 04:44:54,620
I did not look into what happened with the former chief.

3783
04:44:54,740 --> 04:44:55,240
No, I know that.

3784
04:44:55,460 --> 04:44:57,920
You know, former complaints, any other complaints.

3785
04:44:57,980 --> 04:44:59,800
I wasn't even aware that there were any other complaints.

3786
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:14,680
My scope was very limited to this complaint. It would just be my hope that if we continue to do this, we get to hear the deep-seated things that aren't about this, but people have been hanging on to for the longest time. That was my only comment.

3787
04:45:19,580 --> 04:45:26,820
Thank you very much, thank you for sitting here so long, yes thank you so is there anything

3788
04:45:26,820 --> 04:45:27,140
else?

3789
04:45:31,420 --> 04:45:38,560
I would say that we should have something where we can implement some policy to try

3790
04:45:38,560 --> 04:45:44,120
to. And does that take a special meeting for us to do it? So we can all sit down together

3791
04:45:44,120 --> 04:45:46,760
with that. I think so. I think I think this is something that's definitely going to

3792
04:45:46,760 --> 04:45:51,980
go on. Yeah, going to go on. It's going to be. And we just we just figure it out. You know,

3793
04:45:51,980 --> 04:45:57,280
go buy the complaint that we had. I would also invite. Oh, I would. I would. I would I would like

3794
04:45:57,280 --> 04:46:03,520
for Mr. Scherven to show up. And you know, because I heard tonight that there's some deep concerns

3795
04:46:03,520 --> 04:46:08,340
with their contract related um well and he needs you know what yes that is he's in the table

3796
04:46:08,340 --> 04:46:14,800
this can't be uh done in isolation whatever it is now it's going to be his joint effort and uh

3797
04:46:15,660 --> 04:46:21,680
in terms of the investigation yeah I was going to make a motion where do we where do we go with that

3798
04:46:21,680 --> 04:46:29,840
so I'd like to make a motion that we retain uh this investigator to um investigate what she feels

3799
04:46:31,580 --> 04:46:36,540
needs to be investigated in regard to this case.

3800
04:46:37,000 --> 04:46:38,240
Joanne, I'll second.

3801
04:46:39,560 --> 04:46:41,680
I'm going to speak on that.

3802
04:46:43,100 --> 04:46:44,900
I don't mind the investigation.

3803
04:46:47,020 --> 04:46:51,180
However, I'm going to be very candid because candid as I can because I am.

3804
04:46:51,180 --> 04:47:01,420
And I found out that it was our attorney's firm who knew this woman, that was a bad

3805
04:47:01,420 --> 04:47:01,700
start.

3806
04:47:06,640 --> 04:47:07,900
That's your imagination.

3807
04:47:10,380 --> 04:47:13,460
Second is I did a little background on Miss Rita.

3808
04:47:15,180 --> 04:47:15,500
Rita?

3809
04:47:16,440 --> 04:47:16,600
Rita?

3810
04:47:17,000 --> 04:47:17,060
Rita?

3811
04:47:17,920 --> 04:47:18,060
Okay.

3812
04:47:19,860 --> 04:47:22,920
And she's definitely pro woman, which I get.

3813
04:47:23,240 --> 04:47:24,380
I understand that.

3814
04:47:24,380 --> 04:47:31,780
Nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with it, but when you're investigating something with a hostile work environment with women, let's be a little bit more

3815
04:47:33,740 --> 04:47:34,720
Unjudgmental from the beginning

3816
04:47:35,520 --> 04:47:37,560
Hey, we should get some trans people to do with that

3817
04:47:38,160 --> 04:47:39,060
Is that what you say?

3818
04:47:39,180 --> 04:47:40,720
Is that what you say?

3819
04:47:40,940 --> 04:47:50,140
I can't do it or a girl can't do it. I mean, that's not what I'm saying man, I'm trying to be as honest as I am

3820
04:47:50,140 --> 04:47:56,580
I just asked for a fair investigation being done.

3821
04:47:57,120 --> 04:47:58,920
Yeah, none of us want anything that's unfair.

3822
04:47:59,600 --> 04:48:05,380
Okay, then from the beginning, let's start with someone new and start fresh.

3823
04:48:05,660 --> 04:48:06,320
That's all I'm saying.

3824
04:48:11,730 --> 04:48:17,050
But then don't you have to bring them up to speed and slowly the process

3825
04:48:17,050 --> 04:48:21,330
because it's a new person who has no clue as an expert.

3826
04:48:21,330 --> 04:48:23,830
But I think that if we want to get this done right,

3827
04:48:24,030 --> 04:48:27,250
I don't think that should be a time on it.

3828
04:48:27,630 --> 04:48:29,550
I think it should all investigate it.

3829
04:48:31,550 --> 04:48:33,310
But I think it should be fair.

3830
04:48:33,550 --> 04:48:35,990
I mean, if you're going to look into,

3831
04:48:37,190 --> 04:48:38,710
I mean, basically the second part,

3832
04:48:38,990 --> 04:48:41,070
the event or the supplemental, whatever you want to call it,

3833
04:48:41,310 --> 04:48:43,250
was about the hostile work environment for the women.

3834
04:48:44,110 --> 04:48:46,950
I just heard a bunch of men talk tonight that are pissed.

3835
04:48:47,870 --> 04:48:49,990
I didn't hear anything about hostile men in the environment.

3836
04:48:50,630 --> 04:48:51,810
just want to be fair.

3837
04:48:54,790 --> 04:49:01,890
Good job. Did a check on her pro woman. I'm going to say

3838
04:49:01,890 --> 04:49:07,610
anti-man and I just think it ought to be more level playing field to do an

3839
04:49:07,610 --> 04:49:14,630
investigation with somebody new. And she please get up and answer that. What's

3840
04:49:14,630 --> 04:49:18,570
that? I'd like her to get up and answer that. She can answer it.

3841
04:49:24,690 --> 04:49:25,190
I'm

3842
04:49:25,190 --> 04:49:31,150
I'm not sure how to take that comment, pro-women, but just the groups that you're involved with, just want to talk to the public?

3843
04:49:32,010 --> 04:49:36,570
The groups that I'm involved with, as far as a law association?

3844
04:49:36,870 --> 04:49:37,810
No, just in general.

3845
04:49:40,650 --> 04:49:43,470
I'm not sure what you mean by that, but let me be very clear.

3846
04:49:44,770 --> 04:49:49,730
I conducted a neutral third party investigation.

3847
04:49:50,070 --> 04:49:50,290
Okay.

3848
04:49:50,770 --> 04:49:54,130
There was nothing pro-women about my investigation.

3849
04:49:54,130 --> 04:50:02,330
My investigation was based on the facts as I ascertained them and then an analyzed against the law,

3850
04:50:03,050 --> 04:50:11,490
which is my specialty. I have been an employment lawyer for 18 years. I'm very good at what I do.

3851
04:50:13,070 --> 04:50:15,570
But let me, I've

3852
04:50:18,860 --> 04:50:24,020
never met David or Caroline before. I've worked with their firm, but I've never met

3853
04:50:24,020 --> 04:50:31,820
David, I wasn't sure what that comment was about, but I was hired because of my qualifications.

3854
04:50:32,760 --> 04:50:38,960
I also want to mention that two of the men that I interviewed in

3855
04:50:42,130 --> 04:50:43,290
addition to the women

3856
04:50:44,710 --> 04:50:52,030
specifically stated to me that they believed the chief had a bias against women,

3857
04:50:52,030 --> 04:50:59,970
female officers. I think that's clearly put in my report. So it wasn't my

3858
04:50:59,970 --> 04:51:07,730
opinion. I took the facts as I investigated them and I wrote a report based on

3859
04:51:07,730 --> 04:51:13,650
those facts. There was no bias on my end. I have investigated other police

3860
04:51:13,650 --> 04:51:20,670
departments. I've investigated other police chiefs. Similar complaints. More

3861
04:51:20,670 --> 04:51:26,010
more egregious complaints and not found in anyone's favor.

3862
04:51:26,530 --> 04:51:32,670
And again, I did not make any recommendations if you read the report on hiring, firing

3863
04:51:32,670 --> 04:51:35,610
suspension because that is your job as the commission.

3864
04:51:36,190 --> 04:51:39,290
So I reported the facts as I found them.

3865
04:51:40,010 --> 04:51:46,810
To say that I am pro woman, I mean, I'm sorry, it's not a bad thing.

3866
04:51:46,930 --> 04:51:47,810
It's not a bad thing.

3867
04:51:47,810 --> 04:51:53,670
It is an opinion that you and I have not spoken at all,

3868
04:51:54,350 --> 04:51:58,050
but I think it's sort of damaging to my reputation

3869
04:51:58,050 --> 04:52:03,030
as an investigator for you to say that in a capacity

3870
04:52:03,030 --> 04:52:06,710
as a mayor who hired me to conduct an investigation.

3871
04:52:06,970 --> 04:52:09,970
And you may never hire me again after this,

3872
04:52:10,050 --> 04:52:12,890
but I will say that is damaging to my reputation

3873
04:52:13,370 --> 04:52:14,470
as an investigator.

3874
04:52:14,470 --> 04:52:23,490
and I think you should be a little bit more conscious of saying things like that in your position as a mayor.

3875
04:52:24,950 --> 04:52:30,070
And I will say during the investigation I did not put this in the report.

3876
04:52:30,710 --> 04:52:34,330
I took it out of my report, I put it in and I took it out.

3877
04:52:34,750 --> 04:52:39,070
One of the things that was said to me by every single person,

3878
04:52:39,890 --> 04:52:45,810
I interviewed was that this was going to go nowhere because you are friends with the mayor.

3879
04:52:45,990 --> 04:52:46,550
I'm sure you heard.

3880
04:52:46,590 --> 04:52:52,730
And I didn't think that was fair to put in the report because I didn't, I don't know

3881
04:52:52,730 --> 04:52:52,950
you.

3882
04:52:53,150 --> 04:52:57,130
I don't want to, and I don't want to disparage you and that had nothing to do with the

3883
04:52:57,130 --> 04:52:58,830
scope of the investigation.

3884
04:52:59,170 --> 04:53:03,730
So I just put that to say, you know, I'm sorry,

3885
04:53:06,740 --> 04:53:09,420
I reported the facts as they were told

3886
04:53:09,420 --> 04:53:17,120
to me. And I think any investigator is going to do that. Any person who does their

3887
04:53:17,120 --> 04:53:17,620
job properly.

3888
04:53:17,760 --> 04:53:22,420
Okay, but I heard you say before you use the word bro code and stuff that those were

3889
04:53:22,420 --> 04:53:27,560
in the text messages, sir. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So getting back to the

3890
04:53:27,560 --> 04:53:32,000
original investigation, you were asked to investigate the text messages, correct?

3891
04:53:32,160 --> 04:53:32,420
Correct.

3892
04:53:32,720 --> 04:53:36,680
So how did it go into all this other stuff? Was that asked for you to do or did you just

3893
04:53:36,680 --> 04:53:42,860
do that. What other stuff? The the addendum or the supplemental pages? Those were things that I

3894
04:53:42,860 --> 04:53:49,840
determined during the investigation facts that were told to me that I felt that you knew. Were you

3895
04:53:49,840 --> 04:53:59,680
asked to do that? No, I was not. And in fact, I conducted my investigation and then alerted

3896
04:53:59,680 --> 04:54:05,300
your city manager and your city attorney that there could be potential like other liability for the

3897
04:54:05,300 --> 04:54:10,340
city and I put it in a letter to alert you to that because that is the

3898
04:54:10,340 --> 04:54:13,640
proper thing to do. And what were they again? The liabilities?

3899
04:54:14,280 --> 04:54:15,080
So, being seen.

3900
04:54:15,180 --> 04:54:21,980
Gender discrimination. Yeah. You have a you have a potential liability of gender

3901
04:54:21,980 --> 04:54:24,100
discrimination, sir. But now we don't.

3902
04:54:26,460 --> 04:54:29,740
Now you don't what? I'm asking you put it in

3903
04:54:29,740 --> 04:54:35,620
the report that there's possibility. I don't know because I haven't

3904
04:54:35,620 --> 04:54:37,480
Invest, further investigated it.

3905
04:54:37,620 --> 04:54:38,600
Isn't it in the report, though?

3906
04:54:39,320 --> 04:54:40,360
In which you're-

3907
04:54:40,360 --> 04:54:41,180
No, I think so.

3908
04:54:43,360 --> 04:54:48,460
The second report that Ms. Chategun provided laid out

3909
04:54:48,460 --> 04:54:51,640
a couple of factual instances where she's concerned

3910
04:54:51,640 --> 04:54:53,460
about potential liability.

3911
04:54:54,280 --> 04:54:58,480
But she did not further that investigation because that was

3912
04:54:58,480 --> 04:54:59,420
not within her scope.

3913
04:54:59,860 --> 04:55:02,080
So the words potential liability are there.

3914
04:55:02,680 --> 04:55:04,280
You know, it all depends on what I'm talking about.

3915
04:55:04,280 --> 04:55:10,840
Or it might not be correct and that is just issue spotting for me as as an attorney and as

3916
04:55:10,840 --> 04:55:16,620
investigator to say to you as the commission. Look at this. You may need you may want to look at this.

3917
04:55:16,640 --> 04:55:19,040
You need to go. You might need to go for it. Thank you.

3918
04:55:19,940 --> 04:55:28,440
I'm my commissioner Kajano. I just I just want to get this moving. I think the city needs and by

3919
04:55:28,440 --> 04:55:36,640
way. I want the investigation. I want to see all the pus come out. No, this is poison.

3920
04:55:36,780 --> 04:55:42,140
So that's fine. This is poison. Well, I'm sorry. You know what? We got to bust this, this

3921
04:55:42,140 --> 04:55:47,500
pimple, and we need to get this stuff out. Guys, well, tonight's night of really good

3922
04:55:48,840 --> 04:55:53,620
omajas or whatever you want to call them. Harbor and knowledge. Harbor, but you know what? You know

3923
04:55:53,620 --> 04:55:59,260
what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? This stuff needs to come out. The only way we can

3924
04:55:59,260 --> 04:56:05,800
clean this stuff up is if all of it comes out, and then we deal with it so that we can go move

3925
04:56:05,800 --> 04:56:13,040
forward. So I have no problem with continuing the investigation because I don't want anyone to

3926
04:56:13,040 --> 04:56:18,400
ever say that we did not do our due diligence and didn't look into this stuff when we had an

3927
04:56:18,400 --> 04:56:34,520
opportunity and with the current firm to continue where they left off or I don't have

3928
04:56:34,520 --> 04:56:40,060
a problem either way. I like the report. I mean I like the report. I mean it was well written.

3929
04:56:42,540 --> 04:56:49,900
It wasn't full of a lot of opinion. It was filled with items. I want a fact-based report

3930
04:56:49,900 --> 04:56:56,900
not an opinion-based report, so I don't have a problem with continuing with her, but I also have

3931
04:56:56,900 --> 04:57:02,820
a problem going with somebody else. What I have a problem with is if we don't do a continuing

3932
04:57:02,820 --> 04:57:15,060
investigation. My gut is continuing with her, and then based on those findings, bring in a consultant,

3933
04:57:15,060 --> 04:57:23,180
not an investigator, but bring in an HR consultant to let us know how to address the issues so that we

3934
04:57:23,180 --> 04:57:29,260
could set the chief up for success. I know it didn't go my way, but like I said in the beginning,

3935
04:57:29,540 --> 04:57:33,860
I'm going to work with whoever I need to work with to bring this department and try to make

3936
04:57:33,860 --> 04:57:37,200
everything work. I didn't think people were going to agree to that once we got started, huh?

3937
04:57:37,780 --> 04:57:41,720
If you need to bring in an HR consultant, what do you do with your HR director?

3938
04:57:41,720 --> 04:57:41,820
Okay.

3939
04:57:43,060 --> 04:57:50,600
Well, listen, if this is only a short thing, this is, this is, we need outside eyes on this.

3940
04:57:51,600 --> 04:57:52,700
We need outside eyes.

3941
04:57:52,700 --> 04:57:59,220
I think the person looks at discipline and I'm talking about making policy recommendations

3942
04:57:59,220 --> 04:58:01,900
whether it's the hiring process, the civil service.

3943
04:58:02,840 --> 04:58:08,020
Somebody explains to me that what the director functions are in our HR department, if we

3944
04:58:08,020 --> 04:58:10,140
I have to hire somebody to do that job.

3945
04:58:10,860 --> 04:58:11,920
So maybe we can look at that.

3946
04:58:11,920 --> 04:58:14,220
Well, when we've been in these situations before

3947
04:58:14,220 --> 04:58:15,600
with internal investigations,

3948
04:58:16,240 --> 04:58:18,900
they're always questioned by one side or the other.

3949
04:58:18,980 --> 04:58:19,240
That's right.

3950
04:58:21,420 --> 04:58:24,220
So if we finish the investigation, we continue it,

3951
04:58:24,320 --> 04:58:27,360
we get the results, we hire an expert

3952
04:58:27,360 --> 04:58:29,300
that can bring, we're the policymakers,

3953
04:58:29,440 --> 04:58:31,940
but then can bring recommendations to us.

3954
04:58:32,480 --> 04:58:34,040
And so we can work with the union,

3955
04:58:34,260 --> 04:58:35,240
we can work with the chief,

3956
04:58:35,480 --> 04:58:38,520
we can work with the city manager's office

3957
04:58:38,520 --> 04:58:43,720
do correct those issues from the policies to make a motion and I'll second it.

3958
04:58:43,960 --> 04:58:50,680
You currently have a motion to have Ms. Chattergoon continue the investigation

3959
04:58:51,640 --> 04:58:56,040
that was started with respect to her supplement letter and anything else that comes back.

3960
04:58:56,340 --> 04:59:00,720
Second. You did second. Can I amend it to ask Mike?

3961
04:59:00,900 --> 04:59:02,820
It's not going on so long that it's going to get this.

3962
04:59:02,820 --> 04:59:09,740
So, can I amend it to then once that investigation is concluded that we hire a third-party consultant

3963
04:59:10,360 --> 04:59:16,680
to make recommendations on policies and procedures and other things that we're not experts in?

3964
04:59:17,800 --> 04:59:20,200
So, the second better, I can better make those policies.

3965
04:59:20,780 --> 04:59:23,760
There's nothing to prohibit you from doing that once you get the investigation back.

3966
04:59:24,500 --> 04:59:29,600
My resume should be, you wait on that, is wait on that, see what the investigation comes

3967
04:59:29,600 --> 04:59:30,020
back with.

3968
04:59:30,020 --> 04:59:34,680
Okay. I'm still sorry. I'm not the policy manager because I think you made a good point.

3969
04:59:35,060 --> 04:59:36,960
All right. And your lights still on. Do you want to say anything?

3970
04:59:37,100 --> 04:59:38,860
So are you continuing with the person?

3971
04:59:39,100 --> 04:59:39,780
Yes. Okay.

3972
04:59:39,860 --> 04:59:45,240
Yeah. I just wanted to comment again about the civil service board and the HR. We need to

3973
04:59:46,760 --> 04:59:53,980
expand these more training, the oral exams. We need to figure out how to make.

3974
04:59:56,280 --> 04:59:59,700
You need to revisit the purpose of the civil service board. How's that?

3975
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:07,260
Exact. Well, that's one part, but yes. Yes. All right. So, Commissioner Simone.

3976
05:00:09,300 --> 05:00:31,640
I am really confused as to how from what the investigator said, how the people on the prevailing side are sticking with their original vote and not bringing this up for a new vote, seeing that there is a definite problem with the

3977
05:00:31,640 --> 05:00:42,700
chief and with females. And it's not going to be solved by workshops. That's his personality,

3978
05:00:44,340 --> 05:00:52,540
apparently. And that was made clear by the investigator. So how can you allow him to stay

3979
05:00:53,460 --> 05:00:59,800
after what the investigator just got up and said? It is just completely baffling my mind.

3980
05:01:01,640 --> 05:01:03,220
And I don't disagree with the commissioner.

3981
05:01:03,560 --> 05:01:06,060
I still think there's going to be issues in the end,

3982
05:01:06,060 --> 05:01:10,560
but clearly, we don't have the support for that.

3983
05:01:12,320 --> 05:01:14,340
And so I've got to go with the cards

3984
05:01:14,340 --> 05:01:15,600
I'm dealt with at this point.

3985
05:01:18,580 --> 05:01:19,780
But I do agree with it.

3986
05:01:21,260 --> 05:01:22,860
So, are you okay?

3987
05:01:24,620 --> 05:01:28,100
So we have a motion on the table for a continuing investigation.

3988
05:01:29,740 --> 05:01:30,300
I know.

3989
05:01:30,760 --> 05:01:31,880
So I got to open up to the public.

3990
05:01:39,190 --> 05:01:46,530
I don't know if you you should look at the books and see how much you have in there now to get this over with.

3991
05:01:47,310 --> 05:01:51,970
We would like to get it over with I know you people are doing the best you possibly can.

3992
05:01:52,110 --> 05:01:58,170
I'm going to give you credit as a citizen of Margate by the way folks I live in this city for 30 years.

3993
05:01:58,170 --> 05:02:04,130
And I've seen a lot of people sit up there, and these guys are doing everything possible

3994
05:02:04,770 --> 05:02:08,410
to get the fairs deal going for this gentleman.

3995
05:02:09,090 --> 05:02:10,170
For everybody.

3996
05:02:10,630 --> 05:02:16,230
I mean, I'm just saying is, if we spend more money and do more investigation, what more can we find?

3997
05:02:17,390 --> 05:02:18,650
Can we find more?

3998
05:02:19,070 --> 05:02:23,750
I mean, if more people have problems, is it going to make it better?

3999
05:02:23,990 --> 05:02:24,850
No, it's going to make it worse.

4000
05:02:24,850 --> 05:02:33,090
so can't we work with what we have? You know it's 12.30 folks almost you guys

4001
05:02:33,090 --> 05:02:38,730
want to go home I know but can we get this over with? Look at it you got five

4002
05:02:38,730 --> 05:02:43,650
years up there just look at the information you have do we have enough to do

4003
05:02:43,650 --> 05:02:48,450
this tonight? I would like to see the chief go home with at least something on his

4004
05:02:48,450 --> 05:02:54,050
mind and he says you know I mean something to say you know let's it's it's

4005
05:02:54,050 --> 05:02:58,270
starting to materialize the way I want because I would say he's going to work with his union

4006
05:02:58,850 --> 05:03:03,110
before we do anything else. I was a union representative, I was a chief

4007
05:03:03,110 --> 05:03:09,330
student for an airline and I was an international association machinist and trust me this man

4008
05:03:09,330 --> 05:03:16,650
has to go through all the channels to work with his union 100%. You guys are trying your best

4009
05:03:16,650 --> 05:03:21,210
to do what you can but at the same time when he makes his decision he's going to go to his union

4010
05:03:21,210 --> 05:03:23,370
and say, am I doing the right thing?

4011
05:03:24,010 --> 05:03:24,970
Are we on the right track?

4012
05:03:25,330 --> 05:03:27,170
And I'm sure the union representative is going to say,

4013
05:03:27,770 --> 05:03:28,850
let's see what we can do.

4014
05:03:29,310 --> 05:03:30,330
And we're not finished yet.

4015
05:03:31,990 --> 05:03:35,190
But I'm only telling you this from my past experience

4016
05:03:35,190 --> 05:03:38,590
because I've never seen anything like this before,

4017
05:03:38,590 --> 05:03:42,390
but working for an airline and being a chief steward,

4018
05:03:42,810 --> 05:03:46,190
I had a lot of experience with different things going on.

4019
05:03:46,690 --> 05:03:50,330
This is probably very much of a problem

4020
05:03:50,330 --> 05:03:54,510
for you guys to work with, but if you can, work it out tonight, let's do it.

4021
05:03:54,630 --> 05:03:56,510
If not, do what you got to do.

4022
05:03:56,810 --> 05:03:58,610
Thank you, Rich, for anybody else.

4023
05:03:58,850 --> 05:03:59,010
Next.

4024
05:04:01,440 --> 05:04:04,920
Donna Fellows, you want to say that he's against women.

4025
05:04:05,120 --> 05:04:06,000
He's not against women.

4026
05:04:06,160 --> 05:04:07,640
He hired 40% more.

4027
05:04:08,300 --> 05:04:11,820
Since he became chief, he's promoted 30% more.

4028
05:04:12,240 --> 05:04:15,860
Since he became chief, what is this against women?

4029
05:04:16,220 --> 05:04:17,320
He's not against women.

4030
05:04:17,640 --> 05:04:19,000
He's not against anybody.

4031
05:04:19,000 --> 05:04:29,350
men, women, black, white, Chinese, transgender, nothing. He's not against that. You all need to

4032
05:04:29,350 --> 05:04:36,790
see that. You're saying that he's against women. He's not. He's proved. He's got the facts that

4033
05:04:36,790 --> 05:04:42,730
he's hired more and he's promoted more. Come on. Thank you. Next.

4034
05:04:47,530 --> 05:04:50,290
Tracey Van Linkle, what is it that we're

4035
05:04:50,290 --> 05:04:52,330
looking for in this investigation.

4036
05:04:52,750 --> 05:04:55,890
I mean, are we going to all the officers

4037
05:04:55,890 --> 05:04:58,970
that did the no confidence vote?

4038
05:04:59,110 --> 05:05:00,770
Are we going to pull all of their text messages

4039
05:05:00,770 --> 05:05:03,670
and see if they said that chief was a dick

4040
05:05:03,670 --> 05:05:04,990
or chief was an asshole?

4041
05:05:05,470 --> 05:05:08,030
Or, I mean, where are we going to go with this?

4042
05:05:08,610 --> 05:05:10,250
Everybody calling each other names?

4043
05:05:10,830 --> 05:05:11,650
I don't understand.

4044
05:05:12,510 --> 05:05:14,030
Where are we going to go with this?

4045
05:05:14,810 --> 05:05:16,910
Because if you find one of the officers

4046
05:05:17,410 --> 05:05:19,910
that wrote a text message that chief was a jerk

4047
05:05:19,910 --> 05:05:24,750
or an asshole or whatever. What are you going to do to that officer? Are you going to bring

4048
05:05:24,750 --> 05:05:31,410
him up here and crucify him and terminate them, suspend them with no pay? I don't understand

4049
05:05:31,410 --> 05:05:38,250
what we're doing more of an investigation for. Well I think in fairness it could be policy

4050
05:05:38,250 --> 05:05:45,050
violations if there are other officers that have messages that didn't turn them in that they knew

4051
05:05:45,050 --> 05:05:52,890
about, but are they going to turn in the whole message or just their part? Because the

4052
05:05:52,890 --> 05:05:58,050
whole message is not turned in. Horne took out what he didn't want to send. You didn't

4053
05:05:58,050 --> 05:06:05,370
see the whole thing. You can cut out what you don't want to send. So are they going to

4054
05:06:05,370 --> 05:06:09,710
get the whole message or are they going to get everything? I don't understand why we're

4055
05:06:09,710 --> 05:06:11,730
we're opening all this Pandora box.

4056
05:06:12,510 --> 05:06:15,030
Margate's already, I mean, we're already on the scope.

4057
05:06:15,430 --> 05:06:18,210
I mean, the carnival, everything else,

4058
05:06:18,510 --> 05:06:19,850
everything else in Margate.

4059
05:06:20,050 --> 05:06:21,110
And we've got no restaurants.

4060
05:06:21,450 --> 05:06:22,730
All the restaurants are closing.

4061
05:06:22,890 --> 05:06:23,550
They're all leaving.

4062
05:06:24,430 --> 05:06:24,790
Okay.

4063
05:06:25,430 --> 05:06:26,390
I appreciate that.

4064
05:06:26,490 --> 05:06:27,370
I mean, thank you.

4065
05:06:27,410 --> 05:06:27,590
Thank you.

4066
05:06:28,450 --> 05:06:29,150
Is there anybody else?

4067
05:06:30,430 --> 05:06:31,750
All right. Before we vote, guys,

4068
05:06:31,750 --> 05:06:33,330
I'm just going to say the same with the residents.

4069
05:06:33,350 --> 05:06:36,150
Just said, I don't even know where you guys want to go with this.

4070
05:06:36,330 --> 05:06:37,170
Another investigation.

4071
05:06:37,910 --> 05:06:43,150
We just we just we're told that the only text message is given with the ones that want to be given

4072
05:06:43,910 --> 05:06:48,110
They weren't full text messages. So I don't know where you guys want to go with this

4073
05:06:48,110 --> 05:06:51,470
You know, we're trying to be working as a group here

4074
05:06:52,210 --> 05:06:55,710
We just decided to keep the chief for a little bit longer see what happens

4075
05:06:55,710 --> 05:06:57,390
But yet again now we're going to open up another

4076
05:06:58,150 --> 05:07:00,690
Can of worms which I'm sure every union

4077
05:07:01,250 --> 05:07:05,330
Curse in here is going to have something to complain about and what's that going to do?

4078
05:07:06,610 --> 05:07:09,110
It's going to make it so they're going to be untouchable.

4079
05:07:09,430 --> 05:07:13,010
This is a giant squirrel chase going in a circle.

4080
05:07:13,770 --> 05:07:17,490
If you guys want to do something, I do not recommend the investigation.

4081
05:07:18,010 --> 05:07:22,130
There's a process right now, if somebody's upset, whatever, go through the process.

4082
05:07:22,610 --> 05:07:26,090
But to start a whole nother investigation, it's going to be a nightmare.

4083
05:07:26,630 --> 05:07:29,610
I'm not going to support it and you guys are going to be, you know what?

4084
05:07:29,750 --> 05:07:31,870
Maybe we shouldn't have done this because it's going to be a mess.

4085
05:07:31,870 --> 05:07:36,950
Yes, so that being said, we will call the vote.

4086
05:07:39,750 --> 05:07:40,450
Yes.

4087
05:07:41,910 --> 05:07:47,830
Is this or is this not something that you would recommend that we continue to do?

4088
05:07:48,870 --> 05:07:50,190
I'm going to answer that.

4089
05:07:50,870 --> 05:07:51,750
I'm Diana here.

4090
05:07:51,750 --> 05:08:00,870
I think from a legal perspective, from a liability perspective, whenever you have any potential,

4091
05:08:03,450 --> 05:08:09,110
whenever you have, it's brought to light that there's any potential or existing issue.

4092
05:08:09,590 --> 05:08:18,230
Whether it's a crack sidewalk, whether it's a faulty vehicle, whether it's a bad driver,

4093
05:08:18,230 --> 05:08:23,810
whether it's a rogue employee, I think this city does have a legal obligation to look

4094
05:08:23,810 --> 05:08:30,810
into that to see what the issues are. And then if there's anything to come from that,

4095
05:08:31,550 --> 05:08:37,990
if you don't conduct the investigation, you won't know. So that's, you know, we're here

4096
05:08:37,990 --> 05:08:42,590
to ask for, we can ask for an investigation on the chief.

4097
05:08:44,130 --> 05:08:49,530
commission wants to do is do an investigation on everybody. Maybe that's your job and his

4098
05:08:49,530 --> 05:08:55,970
job to do, not our job. It's really not up for us to do. We can't do nothing. When this

4099
05:08:55,970 --> 05:09:01,390
information comes back and it's found that this officer said this and what are you guys

4100
05:09:01,390 --> 05:09:05,890
going to do with it? You're going to tell Cal to take care of it. If you guys really want

4101
05:09:05,890 --> 05:09:11,930
this done right, let Cal or let David do it, let them ask for it, let them do the investigate

4102
05:09:11,930 --> 05:09:16,290
And then you know what, report back to us, because there's nothing we can do if this

4103
05:09:16,290 --> 05:09:17,090
comes back road.

4104
05:09:17,590 --> 05:09:18,130
What are you going to do?

4105
05:09:19,170 --> 05:09:23,190
Well, I think that we have to approve the funding to conducting investigation.

4106
05:09:24,890 --> 05:09:29,190
I didn't think this was about officers staying nasty.

4107
05:09:29,250 --> 05:09:36,590
I think the issue, I mean, the issue before you in the supplemental report that Ms. Chategun

4108
05:09:36,590 --> 05:09:41,030
provided, related to additional complaint regarding Joseph Galaska, chief of police.

4109
05:09:41,030 --> 05:09:47,110
So, to the extent that that is going to be investigated, that's under your purview because

4110
05:09:47,110 --> 05:09:48,710
it's an investigation, the chief.

4111
05:09:49,310 --> 05:09:55,530
The other issues that may come up, you know, with respect to any other officer's policy

4112
05:09:56,170 --> 05:09:59,110
violations, that's typically handed through internal affairs.

4113
05:09:59,530 --> 05:09:59,930
Okay?

4114
05:10:00,050 --> 05:10:05,930
So, I don't play a role in that, city managers and play a role in that, and the, you know,

4115
05:10:05,930 --> 05:10:15,270
The hope is that through internal affairs, through the chain of command, that whatever issues are there are dealt with through their policies and procedures.

4116
05:10:16,030 --> 05:10:35,470
So what you're voting on tonight is primarily with respect to this additional complaint that Ms. Chategun prepared, and she'll, you know, if you authorize it, then she will conduct a more thorough investigation to identify the facts related to those two matters and bring that back to you for your review.

4117
05:10:37,260 --> 05:10:42,780
I don't think that this motion is saying that she's going to conduct a whole investigation to the entire police department.

4118
05:10:43,480 --> 05:10:45,740
Well, would I go when I want that?

4119
05:10:46,220 --> 05:10:51,680
And I think if she comes at the end of her investigation, she comes up with other issues or other recommendations.

4120
05:10:52,200 --> 05:10:54,880
She may very well decide to put that in the supplemental report.

4121
05:10:55,260 --> 05:10:58,640
And whether that's within your home, whether it's within your, your, your prison end.

4122
05:10:58,960 --> 05:11:00,640
Well, I don't know where it is.

4123
05:11:00,780 --> 05:11:01,720
I don't have a crystal ball.

4124
05:11:01,900 --> 05:11:02,900
But why start it up again?

4125
05:11:02,900 --> 05:11:05,860
That's why can't we just talk to the union so you know what guys?

4126
05:11:06,240 --> 05:11:11,200
Less anything happened the last two months. We'll listen to it anything prior to that. I don't want to hear it

4127
05:11:11,200 --> 05:11:15,920
That's fine, but this relates to the chief who is your employee. So that's outside

4128
05:11:16,700 --> 05:11:22,680
Understand it, but this has it's a trickle-down. I understand I understand and I don't disagree with you

4129
05:11:22,680 --> 05:11:26,340
Okay, I don't disagree with you. It's gonna be six more months of catastrophe

4130
05:11:26,340 --> 05:11:29,240
It's all this is setting up for failure

4131
05:11:29,960 --> 05:11:34,520
If you don't disagree with him, then explain to me why I should do it.

4132
05:11:34,980 --> 05:11:35,560
I just explained it.

4133
05:11:35,560 --> 05:11:36,100
No, I'm not.

4134
05:11:36,620 --> 05:11:36,940
I know.

4135
05:11:37,560 --> 05:11:42,660
The point that I don't know, I don't have a crystal ball, so I can't say it's the end

4136
05:11:42,660 --> 05:11:42,900
of it.

4137
05:11:43,300 --> 05:11:50,520
But you have these two matters in this additional supplemental report that are provided to you

4138
05:11:50,520 --> 05:11:55,740
related to the chief, and you are the body that's supervising disciplines of chief.

4139
05:11:55,740 --> 05:12:01,540
So it's your responsibility to decide whether or not to do that.

4140
05:12:02,320 --> 05:12:05,780
On these specific complaints.

4141
05:12:06,260 --> 05:12:07,840
Yes, those specific complaints.

4142
05:12:09,320 --> 05:12:09,560
Okay.

4143
05:12:10,160 --> 05:12:11,260
Thank you.

4144
05:12:12,300 --> 05:12:13,080
All right.

4145
05:12:13,420 --> 05:12:14,320
All right.

4146
05:12:14,520 --> 05:12:15,000
Call the roll.

4147
05:12:16,020 --> 05:12:16,800
Mr. Castellano.

4148
05:12:17,360 --> 05:12:17,920
Yes.

4149
05:12:18,420 --> 05:12:18,980
Mr. Smone.

4150
05:12:19,260 --> 05:12:19,460
Yes.

4151
05:12:20,120 --> 05:12:20,780
Mr. Serio.

4152
05:12:21,140 --> 05:12:21,400
Yes.

4153
05:12:29,800 --> 05:12:32,300
No more new discussions if I could just say something.

4154
05:12:34,620 --> 05:12:41,160
I know we don't all disagree up here in the audience, but this is what makes our country great.

4155
05:12:41,440 --> 05:12:47,400
Is it gives us the opportunity to speak our minds whether we agree with each other or not.

4156
05:12:48,680 --> 05:13:03,440
And so I respect everyone's opinion, I respect, I don't agree with the decision tonight, but I respect it, and I'll do what I can to make sure that we can move forward.

4157
05:13:03,440 --> 05:13:05,980
We've all been on some end of the city.

4158
05:13:06,960 --> 05:13:11,340
It wasn't a personal attack against the chief, I said it in the beginning else again.

4159
05:13:11,540 --> 05:13:12,580
He's a nice guy.

4160
05:13:13,580 --> 05:13:17,520
No one is going to, I think, to speed that.

4161
05:13:19,080 --> 05:13:22,920
And it's not an attack on any commissioner.

4162
05:13:23,640 --> 05:13:29,780
I know sometimes the conversations tonight were a little heated, but I think we're just speaking in passion.

4163
05:13:29,780 --> 05:13:36,300
and we all care about the city and we all think that we were trying to do what we thought was right.

4164
05:13:38,080 --> 05:13:49,540
So, thank you for those of you that agreed with me, thanks to those who didn't agree with me, but I've heard everyone, and I appreciate everyone coming tonight.

4165
05:13:50,220 --> 05:13:55,200
Thank you. I just want everybody to know that nobody's going to win at this. When this is all over, nobody's winning. It's not about winning.

4166
05:13:55,200 --> 05:13:57,520
I mean, it's about the best for our city.

4167
05:13:58,320 --> 05:13:59,760
We love our police department.

4168
05:13:59,960 --> 05:14:01,400
We support them with everything they do.

4169
05:14:02,880 --> 05:14:04,520
The residents love them.

4170
05:14:04,760 --> 05:14:05,540
That's not going to change.

4171
05:14:05,720 --> 05:14:06,500
I guarantee you.

4172
05:14:06,940 --> 05:14:13,900
We just need to get better policy in place, better steps in place, just make it transparent.

4173
05:14:14,240 --> 05:14:15,140
That's all this is about.

4174
05:14:15,460 --> 05:14:16,860
Everybody's a level playing field.

4175
05:14:17,300 --> 05:14:22,260
We need to set new policy, but I can tell you what, we might have disagreed on things,

4176
05:14:22,260 --> 05:14:27,380
but we're all here to guarantee you for the best for our city and our residents and our staff.

4177
05:14:29,640 --> 05:14:32,440
I don't know what else to say guys, I just hope in six months from now we're

4178
05:14:34,280 --> 05:14:39,600
in a different spot. I'm not moving to John, I'm just saying we're just in a better position,

4179
05:14:39,600 --> 05:14:43,100
we're all getting along and things are back to normal, but I gotta tell you.

4180
05:14:43,140 --> 05:14:45,080
I hope you want a healthier environment for the people.

4181
05:14:45,320 --> 05:14:48,360
It's not going to get any better for this tech specialist to just keep coming in, it's not.

4182
05:14:48,360 --> 05:14:53,040
It's it's gonna get worse and worse. So just something to consider. I understand you guys might be pissed

4183
05:14:53,040 --> 05:14:54,480
You have a text message whatever

4184
05:14:55,260 --> 05:14:59,900
Take it up in another way. This is the last thing I want to do is come back here for five hours

4185
05:15:00,720 --> 05:15:30,700
I just talk about text messages. It's, it's, we've all done it. We're all guilty of it. Everybody's done it. Just can't, can't keep it going and good. I just want to my last comment, be listen, I go around the city talking constantly about how this is a city where people run to the police not from the police. And I'll be damned if I have the police running from the police. We have to work this out. We can't have the police running from the police. It's got to, we've got to work together.

4186
05:15:30,700 --> 05:15:35,990
We've got to make this work and that's it.

4187
05:15:35,990 --> 05:15:40,590
Yeah, if you can arrange a meeting for us to discuss policy or whatever.

4188
05:15:42,970 --> 05:15:43,970
Maybe a workshop?

4189
05:15:44,350 --> 05:15:44,990
That'd be fine.

4190
05:15:45,290 --> 05:15:49,030
But we do a public safety workshop and we see what happens.

4191
05:15:50,050 --> 05:15:50,910
Guys, we're long meeting.

4192
05:15:51,070 --> 05:15:51,710
Thank you for everybody.

4193
05:15:52,210 --> 05:15:55,570
I appreciate everybody staying here and meeting adjourned.

4194
05:15:55,630 --> 05:15:55,890
God bless.