Here is your plaque for 10 years of service as
a business development coordinator. Thank you.
thank you.
that's it, mayor, thank you.
all right, next up is a presentation
it's gonna be
proclamations b, armature radio week
and do I have, is ben here? Yes
good. It's good to see you. You too.
see some familiar faces
so I'm going to read the proclamation for armature radio week. But for those that
don't know,
with armature radio, while many see it as a hobby, they also play a critical role
during disasters
it's my understanding that you guys volunteer with the broward eoc and potentially
the state during natural disasters,
especially after hurricanes for, you know, communication, lines of communication. And
they're having an event, if you want to
mentioned the dates. Fill day is the last end of june.
last weekend of june, they're having their field day. The 27th and the 28th of june
will be our field day, and it'll be a quiet waters park at 401 south power line.
and I've been to that, the last couple years, and it's pretty neat. They actually,
through
radios, can communicate with people across the world if the weather is, and
everything lines up
so I will try to be there on sunday to stop by and see you guys. And I know that tom
savoka is also involved. He
had work tonight, he couldn't be here for those that are wondering where tom is.
so now I'll read the proclamation
whereas amateur radio operators are celebrating over a century of the miracle of the
human voice broadcast over the airwaves.
and whereas amateur radio has continued to provide a bridge between peoples,
societies, and countries by creating friendships
and the sharing of ideas. And whereas amateur radio operators have also provided
countless hours
of community service, both in emergencies and to other local organizations throughout
these decades
and whereas these armature radio services are provided wholly uncompensated,
and whereas the state also recognizes the services amateur radios
people also provide to our many emergency response organizations
and whereas the city of margate recognizes and appreciates the diligence of these
hams, who also
serve as weather spotters in the skywarn program of the national weather service, and
whereas
a-r-r-l is the national association for armature radio in the usa, and whereas the
arrl amateur radio field
day exercise will take place on june 27th and 28th, 2026, and is a 24-hour emergency
preparedness exercise
and demonstration of the radio amateur skills and readiness to provide
self-supporting communications without further infrastructure being required.
and now, in a moment, I will present to you the plaque with the
city seal signed by myself, the mayor, and the commissioners
and I'll read the rest.
signed by the mayor, the commissioners, and the armature radio week, and we appreciate
everything that you do for the community, especially in times of need. Thank you.
we'll see you on sunday. Yep, I've seen you.
we need to squish. I can't see that gentlemen
and elsa's going to get a picture, too
these are also all served members from parkland and coral springs,
so I am very proud to be a part of your cert team. Thank you
thank you. Thank you.
but if you could just take those off to the side, please
thanks again. Thank you.
okay, next up is public discussion. You have three
minutes to speak about anything that's not on the agenda.
donna fellows, margate resident for six more months. Yay! But I just wanted to find
out something. I
haven't been here for a while due to circumstances and I just wanted to ask if the
fair owner has paid up
I've been wanting to ask this, but I haven't been here.
it's an item on the agenda tonight, however, it's my understanding he has paid
in full plus interest. Yes. Okay, so now I hold the ones that have voted for it
has learned their lessons
because the residents have been trying to tell you this
obviously, if he didn't pay the first time, the 100,000 and finally came up with it
because he was putting in
another thing, I hope you all have learned your lessons because the residents have
been talking to you, but obviously
you are ignoring residents
you're not listening to the residents when they're speaking
so to me, this is a disgrace
for the ones who are running again, or who are running against people, or running
for it, I hope that you do not follow in these footsteps that have been already done.
because of the fact that if you are, you're just gonna be losing
a lot of people
so I think that it's best that maybe you all think about what you're doing and start
listening to your residents and what your residents really want, and what they
are really saying to you in reference to this, because I know I have spoke to a lot
of you in reference to this carnival thing, and him doing this, and why are we
bringing him back here for it, which almost led us into litigation
against him, which would have cost the residents more money
because we're having to pay for the attorneys to go there and represent the
city, which is wrong. Listen to your residents when they say no, it's no
if it's only one resident telling you this, but it's not just one resident
I know there's a few residents that have been saying it, and this
is really ridiculous. Listen to your residents and take it from them
don't just do it to line your own pockets for your campaign money of whatever it was,
$1,000, $1,500 he used
to give you, and josh rydell. Josh rydell stood up at this podium here and lied to
you, saying he would never
do that again. Well, he did it to us again, and
look, we finally got it. Fine. Thank you. Thank you.
good evening, jonathan crojick, margaret resident. Public trust in government is at a
historic low, including at the local level, according to research
by pew and gallup. Trust is not built through words alone, it's built through actions.
when elected officials promise one thing and do another.
public trust suffers. When tactics are used to avoid transparency, the sunshine law
and the creation of public records,
trust suffers. When an ordinance is passed to later not be adhered to by giving
support and promoting an individual
who is in clear violation of that said ordinance. Trust suffers. When a commission
adopts rules of procedure,
but does not consistently follow those same rules, while expecting residents to do so,
trust suffers
and when the city manager and city attorney appear more focused on
satisfying the commission rather than serving the residents, trust suffers.
if we want residents to trust the government, then government must demonstrate
trustworthiness
by honoring its commitments, following its own rules, and upholding the oath of office
as trust in government declines, it is natural that residents will seek to petition
their government and voice their concerns. The first amendment protects that right.
unfortunately, city halls across florida and the nation have increasingly become
battlegrounds over public participation, and margate is no
exception. The current mayor has continuously suppressed free speech and public
participation at meetings by discontinuing zoom public comment
starting when he was last mayor in 2022. And for zoom, only to be brought back by the
following mayor. And
then again, this mayor took away the public's ability to comment using zoom once he
got back in rain this year
it's as though public comment is perceived as a threat. In 2022, the mayor removed
the public's ability to
have three minutes to comment on the consent agenda as a whole, only for it to never
be brought back since.
the mayor's latest attack on public comment came this year, when both of the two
required monthly commission
meetings are held on the same night. This mayor no longer recognizes public comment
for the first of the two meetings
although, once again, it's in the rules of procedure that this commission adopted,
which states the second item of each commission
meeting shall be public comment, limiting opportunities for public participation
weakens public confidence in government
if this commission truly wants to restore trust, it should lead by example, follow
its own rules, expand opportunities
for public comment, and demonstrate the resident voices are valued rather than viewed
as an inconvenience. Thank you.
good evening, elsa sanchez, moorgate resident
at the last meeting, there were different opinions about the proposed idea of
making changes and removing property taxes and what the consequences could be.
comments were made about reviewing the city budget and maybe making some cuts. I hope
the change does not happen,
because I do not know what the city would be able to do as far as keeping up services
and real expenses. But
if they're going to be cuts in the city budget, I would like to suggest that the $600
cal allowance that four of the commissioners receive every month could be one of them
you will know that I have been against this from the beginning because I think
it's an abuse of power since you proposed it, voted and approved it yourselves
and just to that point, I know that the vice mayor attends events by bicycle, so I
don't know if he
does for health reasons, or if he does for if he does not have a car.
so I'm wondering about that, too.
does he still get the $600 car allowance? Does
he have a car? I would like to an answer to that.
another thing that happened at the last meeting was what I considered to be childish,
unprofessional, and embarrassing
behavior, when from the day as commissioners attack each other and bring up past
issues and subjects about each other
I have seen that happen here quite often, and I will continue to
call it out to try to see if we can stop that, or we can change
I really am embarrassed about it. Yes, you have the right to disagree and discuss
issues, but just because
someone disagrees or you're not getting what you want, there should not be this
immature, unprofessional
and embarrassing behavior. But I want to end with a positive comment. I
want to thank city manager kel curtis, parks and recreation mike jones
public works do. Another city staff that are doing such a
beautiful job sprucing up the city for the 4th of july celebration
and they are not doing that just for the 4th of july.
they always do that. So thank you. I appreciate you.
thank you
hello, mindy w. Lee, 27-year resident of margate. I have two things I want to discuss.
the first one is just a point of clarification. At the last meeting,
commissioner arsario brought something up, and I just wanted to clarify it, and I'm
not campaigning, but he had said that I had ran for the city commission in the past
he encouraged all the residents to google the sun sentinel to see the horrible things
that they wrote about me.
I'm guessing here, arsario, you must have been 14 or 15 when I ran the first time, so
you
probably did not know that the sun sentinel actually endorsed me when I ran. For
those of you that don't know what that means, it means that they chose me as the best
candidate when I was running way back then
so that's the first thing I'd like to point out. Now, why I'm here tonight is very
important. I would like all five of you to vote in a moratorium for six months on any
development deals that are possibly going to be signed into
contract this year. Why? Because of what she just said. The property tax amendment is
on the ballot in november. If that passes, we are going to lose a ton of revenue.
we will not be able to operate the city without that tax revenue.
that money can no longer be spent on fire, police, maintenance, building, landscape,
even city salaries cannot be used on the money that we're
getting from the property taxes. And we're about to sign away millions of dollars
worth of real estate that we as taxpayers helped you buy
the deal that you're putting into place right now, a 99-year lease worth the
developer, that is not what the city wants. 2,000 residents signed a petition to tell
you that they are against the
development deals that are going on right now. Listen to the people of margate. You
don't have five votes up there to decide what our future is going to be regarding
that land. And we right now
need that land in case we can't operate the budget come 2027.
it's the worst-case scenario is, we could sell the land, take some of those millions,
and pay for the services that we need. And I don't think any of
you are taking that into consideration. So, rosano, I'm looking at you, sir.
I'd like for you to make a motion.
I'd like you to second the motion and bring it before the commission tonight and I
hope that one of you
has it in your heart to listen to the residents and think about the future of margate,
because if we lose that tax revenue come the end of the year, the city, I don't care
who's sitting up on that
board, will not be able to run this city. Last meeting, he… city manager said we
needed $1.6 million to pay for the firefighters that we have in place right now.
if we do all of this development
how are we going to pay for the firefighters and the police and all the other things
that we need when we don't have the revenue from the property? So
we need to take that into consideration right now. The future of margate and all the
residents are in your hands. So please, tonight, pass a moratorium
six months isn't going to make or break any development negotiation that you're
dealing with right now, but it could possibly break the city, break the home that
we've
all decided to live in. 20 seconds. That's all I have to say. Please do the right
thing, make the motion, second it. I'm begging arlene, pass it, please, tonight, guys.
give us 6 months till we see what the city holds with
the property tax bill. That's my time. Thank you.
I think rich has a few
I guess you forgot about rentals.
before I start talking, just a question. Richard zucchini, lakewood circle. Before I
start talking,
stop, stop, stop the button. Item 7a, will the public be able to speak on item 7a?
yes or no tonight?
yeah.
yeah, of course. I thought it was gonna be, postponed.
are you referring to 6a, the military? Oh, I'm talking to 6a
68
it's a development agreement. It still has to come up. It still has to come up, yes.
but if
you're going to table it, then the public doesn't have the chance to speak about it.
correct.
you'll have the opportunity to speak about it when it comes back up
your honors want me to start your clock? Yes, please. More
than likely, I won't be able to speak about it tonight.
okay, a couple questions. Your name? We need a better quality of candidates running
for commission that
know what they're talking about. It's just absurd. On the one hand, you talk about
the loss of revenue
possible for homestead exemption. And on the other hand, you say stop development,
which is exactly what is needed to generate
the revenue. So, you know, it makes no sense when these candidates come up, and they
don't know what they're talking about
they don't know what the brownfield act is. They don't know what the live local act
is. They don't know what the infill development
act is, and they come up out of ignorance, and they think they know what they're
talking about. It's just amazing. You know.
we hired ron book as our lobbyist, and he came up in a previous meeting and presented
and said, hey city,
be aware, we are losing our home rule. So anytime we can do a development and have
input to the development
we should grab it, because very soon, we're not going to have that ability.
like tonight, with the golf course, they can come back and they could say we want you
to declare it brownfield and they would have every right to
do that. It was a golf course. It is a brownfield. Then they would build whatever
they want to build, and they wouldn't have to come back before you
for permission, including the infield act. So, you know, the people that are coming
up and think that they're campaigning and appealing
to people by saying, no, no development, that's exactly what we need to generate
revenue, to make up for, likely, what's going to pass
and that is the homestead exemption
the other issue is cra. You know, again, it's just so disappointing. We have
nominated a developer. We don't
call them in to have workshop meetings in front of the public, in front of all five
board members on the cra
to discuss
what they have in mind. What's going to happen is you're setting them up for failure
again. They're gonna come up with a plan, and you're gonna
say, oh, no, no, I don't like it. Where you didn't… they can't read your mind. You
don't give them a chance to present and have interaction with you
so that the board can come to a consensus. And I think it's about time, like mr.
rosano said, some many years ago, that we should have a new
cra chair every year. So I'm going to nominate arlene schwartz. I think she should be
the new cra chair, and maybe the vice chair should be
joanne simone, we've had seven years of rosano as chair, and we didn't get anything
accomplished. So
please, let's put that on the agenda. The new cra chair. Yeah, no, no, lift it up,
make sure I'm on camera.
anybody else? Okay.
projects to follow
lauren, baraka, margate resident
the first thing I wanted to say is, I found out at the last meeting
a lifesaver. If any awards are given out for anything, he should definitely be
nominated.
he probably would have been good running for commissioner, because you call him
you text him and within 24 hours he takes he
he comes up with a solution, and he has made it so much easier of being a
representative of a community when you have somebody like gio that, I mean
out of the ordinary. So I really would like to say that. And then of course
mayor, you always say, I have something negative to say, so here we go. I think it's
very unfair. Kajiani, you're
shaking your head at me. I don't, I don't… I'm not… okay. So, anyway, what happens is
that when we get up to speak
we have people that are making faces at us, rolling their eyes, or an eye roll, but
I'm up here for that. And, it's very disrespectful, to have that happen, because
some of us, it's hard for us to come up and speak, like myself, and so when I see
that going on, you know, it really is
unfair. And then we go and we sit down, and then we're pretty much attacked by the
person that doesn't like what we're saying
so I think it's very unfair that residents get to speak, voice our feelings
about what's going on, and then get attacked afterwards. Thank you.
nina culver, moorgate resident
I was actually shocked when I got their awards today, that I knew everybody that
had gotten them. Manny from fire has always been a tremendous community partner.
I can remember the first time I met paul. He was extremely helpful over at the
building department. I couldn't find my way or how to process papers, and he was just
it was amazing
gio's always great, but I just wanted to come up and say that,
you know, the last meeting was a bit of a circus. It really was
but other than the normal few crazy comments, you
guys did very well. So I just wanted to give props.
have a good night.
as you're running your election now
please no outbursts from the crowd
thank you. You could be asked, you may be asked to leave if you do it again.
I can wait.
okay, public discussions closed.
commission comments?
commissioner schwartz, go ahead. Mrs. Baraka, geo has a better job.
he's got job security.
sitting up here, you don't have that. So I'm sure he's happier exactly where he is.
with that in mind, I want to remind — well, actually, I was going to remind you about
hurricane supplies, but since the vice mayor is here,
I'll let him do that. I am going to remind you that children are out of school.
it would be great if people stopped parking over the sidewalk
kids are out of school, people are pushing strollers, people are in wheelchairs.
it's an ada
violation. That's a national policy that you cannot obstruct the sidewalk. It would
be great if one day
in this city, people stopped doing it
having said that, apparently when it comes time to vote, we're going to have a new
school board member to vote for because
nora rupert chose at the last minute, I guess, not to qualify. So pay attention to
whoever that may be who's running
right now, I have no clue. And actually, that might be a good thing because
margate has issues and perhaps someone new will pay attention to them.
with that, happy father's day on june 21st. I wish everyone who is a father has the
role of a father, is about to be a father, or is just a good
guy to some kid. Happy father's day. I wish you all an absolutely sunny, great day to
take advantage of it. And that's all for me, thank you.
and gio, he turned a beautiful shade of red.
commissioner simone
yes, I'd also like to congratulate our employees for the great service they do for
the city, our fire
department is the best in the county. We're very proud of them. Each and every one of
them is extremely
proficient in what they do, and very helpful to the residents. So, manny, that was
well deserved, and liz from our, development services director, she
was absolutely correct in what she said about paul. At grand openings, all we hear is
accolades for paul. How helpful he was and what a great asset
to the community and to the businesses that he was. So that
was well-deserved. So thank you, paul, for what you do.
the sign that's in the works on paradise gardens looks awesome.
yeah, it's not, it's in the early stages, but if you haven't seen it, it looks really
nice, so I'm sure it is going to be beautiful when it's done. So, great job on that.
mentioning children, you know, that summer is here, it's extremely warm outside, so
if your child does not know how
to swim, please take advantage of the swim central voucher. You can apply for a
voucher. It's free to apply. It's $55.
worth has a net value of $55. You can bring it to calypso cove and it will defer the
cost of what calypso cove charges for swim lessons.
so it's well worth it. Please take advantage of that. We hear all the time how many
drownings there are of children over the summer
so take advantage. And lastly, I implore you to, if fireworks are not banned from
the governor this year because of the drought, please take advantage of going
to a professional fireworks display and not do them in your own backyard.
it's very disturbing to the
veterans, it's very disturbing to pets, it's very disturbing to your neighbors who
get up in the morning
and see the soot and the ash on their cars. Have a fear that night that the roof may
be burned
from the fireworks landing on their roof, and also the harm that it causes dogs not
only that night
but also the following day, when you take your dog out, and they see the paper and
the rolls with
the material still inside that dogs are curious, they put it in their mouth, and it's
deadly to them.
so please think about your neighbors, be courteous, be a good neighbor,
don't light fireworks at your house. It's for your own safety as well.
and with that, I think that's it. Thank you.
yes, good afternoon. Good evening everyone
gio, you got a lot of props tonight, good job. But
but, there's a guy sitting here, where is he here? I don't even know
if he's here. Kurt, you here? Is kurt here? Yes, he is, isn't that?
cal, can you just refresh everybody about the letter you sent us
this week that involved kurt with the, the water department with the
oh.
yeah, put me on a spot. You gonna save that? Were you gonna save that?
I'll let you think about it, and then when it comes to you…
it's, you know, just real quick, so, I got an email
from, kurt, which was authored by marta resko, who's the assistant director for the
water plant over there. And as you all know, we have, you know, a $100 million bond
project in the works
a lot of design and planning going on
and, you know, we're dealing with a lot of aging infrastructure over
there that has become obsolete, but through the collective efforts of
department staff, you know, their hard work, their ingenuity, they were able to
bring back to life one of the older systems that we have and get some extra life out
of it, and do that in-house with in-house labor.
and so a lot of blood, sweat, and tears and the details of that email tell the story
much better than what I'm telling right now
but what I close the email off with you, and what I genuinely feel is that we are in
great hands
when it comes to using these bond dollars for the system, that we have the right
people in place
with the right mindset, the right work ethic that will utilize these funds and
get the most bang for our buck and set the city up for the next 40 years. So
that's the story. Thank you. I appreciate that, kurt. And I'm not comparing you guys
or anything, but you guys all do a great job. We heard about the fire chief tonight,
the public works and these guys do an incredible job and I just want to say thank you.
and when the residents come up and say it means even more to us. So great job, guys.
keep doing it. July 4th, the 4th of july
parade, don't miss it. Starts at 9, I think nine
on july 4th. Oh, the little dolls. So check.
each one of the commissioners has a little, it's
not a bobblehead, I don't even know what it is.
it's like funko pop. What is it? So the… you'll see them around there, they're funko
pops. They're little cartoon caricatures, and, you
know, they're caricatures, but they're sold, there's a brand name of them, funko pops,
and so these were, 3d printed by our assistant
director. Parks and rec. Parks and rec team. They got photos of us, loaded it into an
ai software and
had our pictures turned into these funko pops. And then they loaded that image into
the 3d printer
which produced these, these, you know, customized, caricatures of you all. And then,
ben and his, spare time, hand-painted all of these, and, and they all have
little individual details that, that reflect you all, and so, he surprised me with
them, earlier this week, and, and so we've surprised you with them here tonight
ben, thank you. And it's funny, when you mentioned ben, he always says it's not ben,
it's public works. I'm stuck on gio. It's
parks and rec. Ben's a humble guy, and you guys do a great job, and mike jones,
everybody from there down, you do a great job.
mayor, the golf course item we're going to be able to talk about that tonight, or we
just if there's a motion to table it, because I just had a couple
questions when it comes up, so… yeah, I believe, I believe, yeah, I mean, as far as
reviewing the hearing that they were going to have, they are
postponing that, so they're not going to be here. But if there's some housekeeping
things that we want to talk
about… that's all, and I'd appreciate it. That's it, guys. Thank you. God bless, and
thank you. Take care.
vice mayor
thank you, ben. It's so cool.
thank you.
I talk about it often every meeting, whether it's cra meeting or commission meeting
I talk about june 1st being the start of hurricane season
and
anyone who
opens up the news this morning, saw that the first storm of
the season hit today in the panhandle. Tropical storm arthur
causing
dangerous flooding
I don't care what you want to call it
global warming, warming, cow farts, climate change
whatever it is, the storms are coming
faster and harder and I'm going to say it over and over and over again.
start preparing now.
buy a little extra food, buy some canned stuff, go out and get
a jug for gasoline for your generator. Get it now before they're all gone
do it now a little bit at a time
because when a storm hits and the stores are empty,
you're not going to be able to get what you need.
so I'm going to say what I say all the time.
prepare, prepare, prepare, prepare, prepare, prepare
and I hope to see all of you at the 4th of july
just be safe. Thank you.
all right, good evening, everyone.
as mentioned, the 4th of july is fast approaching, and we have a day full of
festivities, 9 a.m. Is the parade,
I believe from 1 to 4 is going to be a pool party at calypso cove, and then starting
at 5 o'clock to about 9 o'
the evening event and fireworks, so come out for that. And while I'm on the other
side of commissioner
simone on 4th of july and fireworks, because I know there's going to be people that
will light them off
I personally am someone that likes to light fireworks, but
while I will agree with her is you need to be considerate
and pick up after yourselves
I know our neighbors the next morning were up bright and early cleaning the street
off, picking stuff up because you don't want a dog or
something to pick it up. So we do have a or child, we do have a show. It's great.
come out and see it. If you are going to light them off
just be a good neighbor and clean up your mess when you're done
something that's coming up which I'm kind of surprised by now. We don't recognize it,
but juneteenth, I know in
the past year, 2 years when the calendar gets approved for the city days off, I've
asked for it to be a holiday
I don't believe it is yet, but I would like to see it. It is a federal holiday.
I know it's
a new federal holiday, but it's something that we should be observing here in the
city.
and I'd also like consideration on for next year, some sort of
events or celebration or ceremony for juneteent
I know most of the other cities are doing it
so if we can look into that
for next year, does anyone have an issue with it being holiday with the city
I'll let cal go into it and see what he
what the numbers are
I don't have a problem with it. I just would rather
cal have to take a look at it and see what would entail
okay.
I know the downtown came up a few times tonight. I have not seen any of the
new reiterations of it. I, to be clear myself and commissioner rosano voted no
on it. I'm not against the development of a downtown, but it was a lot of units
and it's a piece of one of the few pieces of property left in the city that we can
control. We don't have control on most of the 441 corridor and now golf courses
so I was really adamant about making sure we get a proper balance in there. But
myself and rosano voted no on that.
I have not seen the renderings and the drawings since then.
I do hope that we can get with the cra executive director
to find out when we're gonna have our next round of discussions with them
I can give you an update on it. So I had a meeting with brookfield this morning
and the development agreement provides for a schedule, and so the next
process is for them to come before the cra
board with the initial or the preliminary design
per the meeting that we had this morning, it looks like that is going to be our next
cra meeting, so that'll be, I think it's july 9th, where they will present to you
their,
if it's preliminary or initial design and get feedback from you and the public
all right, thank you. Calypso cove, do we know when the pump is going to be
back and running again
ben, do you have an update on that?
in the process of being installed
midday today, we're starting it back up tomorrow.
okay. So we should be back up by the weekend
so for the record, it's being installed as of now. It should be back up and running
by the weekend.
okay, perfect. Yeah, because I know a lot of residents have been asking about it.
we've had some
bad luck recently. I know it was shut down a few weeks ago for a similar issue.
it's my
understanding talking with the parks director that we are going to be getting a second
pumped to have so when one fails for redundancy, we can,
while that one's being serviced, put the new one on.
that is correct. So the pump that's coming out will be refurbished. That'll go on a
shelf, new pump will
be in and so we will have a backup that is ready to go in case we find ourselves in
this situation again.
perfect. And then just kind of a quick comment, wanted to thank kale. I know
I'm not thanking you for the hiring freeze, but I know there's a hiring freeze in
anticipation for any potential tax implications. I know with that sometimes you can't
foresee everything,
so there may be a position here or there that we may deem critical or that we need to
second review. I know something was brought to my attention with fire and a chief's
training position
and so I know a meeting was set up with the union and the chief and yourself,
and you guys are working through that. So just thank you for being open and
sometimes there's things need to be adjusted or exceptions made.
so I don't know the final outcome of that, but I
know that you guys are working on a solution. Yes, sir. That's correct. All right,
and that's all I have city attorney
thank you, alan gabriel, for davitosis. He sends his regards and wishes everyone a
happy day and he's obviously not here, I am and happy to be here with you. Thank you.
the manager? Nothing further to add tonight. Thanks. City clerk, go. Go ahead.
since it has been brought up, and you said that the next time we see something from
brookfield will be at our next cra meeting, and there are certain things scheduled,
and that the public can get up and speak, is there a possibility that there will be
city workshops so that the public actually gets to see something in advance
and then gets up to question
yes, the possibility for that is there. What I would suggest is we have this initial
presentation, and based on feedback
from the board, you may need to solicit further, you know, public input. You may want
to provide further input yourself
but I think we get the initial reaction from you as the board and from the public at
that meeting, and then we'll know where to go from there.
okay, because I will suggest that then we have workshops afterwards. This is for the
future of the city, one way or the other, the good, the bad
so thank you.
commissioner rosano? Yeah, I just want to say this. The one thing I'm
totally against with this whole downtown project is the 99-year lease.
when I had mentioned months ago, meetings ago, whatever,
about a 99-year lease, I was talking about the city renting to
businesses to come in for a 99-year lease. That would be the incentive to get them
here. So when people hear about the
99-year lease, there's no way in I would ever vote for a 99-year lease to give a
developer a piece of property where we're
never gonna do anything. We have no say on it for 99 years.
so to me, that's the worst part of the whole deal, the 99-year lease. What they're
going to develop, who knows what it's going to be. But if there's going
to be something that we want, I know donna and I want a steakhouse, if we want a
steakhouse, that money to get them here, it's going to come out of the
the money that the city's gonna receive.
so I can tell you this, whatever we want, we're going
to get charged for it. So look, looking at the projected numbers that we're supposed
to get
they're all just numbers, it's just, as we were told earlier,
arlene, placeholders years ago. They're just placeholders there.
but, a 99-year lease is totally crazy to give a developer. We're better
off selling the property and putting restrictions on what we want there.
that's all. Thank you.
okay, commission comments is closed. City manager report
yep, nothing further. Thank you. Okay, consent agenda.
and there's one item on the consent agenda, it's resolution 2026-155, a resolution of
the city of margate, florida, approving a revocable license agreement with
broward county and tcmc margate apartments llc, and assigns for the maintenance of
landscaping and related improvements within the coconut creek parkway swale
adjacent to 5205-5231, coconut creek parkway and providing for an effective date
what is the wish of the commission
I'll second that. Please call the roll.
commissioner schwartz? Yes. Commissioner simone? Yes. Commissioner rosano? Yes.
vice mayor kagiano? Yes. Mayor serio.
yes, now we have public hearings 6a. I believe the applicant has requested a
continuance to september, but city attorney, I believe we still reading, yes, yes,
sir.
this is resolution 2026-154, resolution of the city of margate, florida, approving a
development agreement pursuant
to florida statute section 163.3220-163.3243, known as the florida local government
development agreement act
to govern the development of the approximately 143.5 acres located north of royal
palm boulevard, south of west sample road, east of holiday springs boulevard,
and west of north rock island road at 3011 north rock island road, providing for
proposed development of 540 townhouses at a maximum density of 10 units per acre
not exceeding 35 feet in height, maximum of 30,000 square feet of commercial space,
not exceeding
40 feet in height, and not less than 65.3 acres of open space, providing for an
effective date.
this is a matter that
continuous is going to be considered, and I think
it's a motion. I'll make a motion to the table
as long as he doesn't get a second, yes
go ahead, commissioner
thank you for allowing me to speak on it before we table it. First of all,
I don't even think this should be tabled. I think this should be voted down
the property out there and
I mean, there's no hiding it, I don't like it, none of the residents don't like it.
we went from apartments being out there to
now townhomes being out there, and people kind of think that that's a win.
to me, it's not a win for this project to be voted down
take a step back. That would be a win
but the way I look at it is we're not getting anything for this property.
I know arlene is kind of like, I don't know where
she is on it, but I heard her say at the meeting that
maybe she's not in favor of as well. So, joanna, I'm going to ask you when this comes…
tommy, I thought you and I, since we constantly hear who has
the downtown, you and I have voted against this project. Yes, I didn't want to put
words in your mouth. I just said that. No, I voted against it. Okay
so hopefully, joanne, I'm going to ask you, when this does come back, maybe you
can possibly fight for that building or something that the city's going to get.
because today, I heard that there's possibly going to be residential homes on there,
which
is all new to me. Then I also got a call from a resident saying that they're out there
working on the lakes, measuring them, checking them, and now they're talking about
filling them in,
which is all new to me. So there's a lot of people out there that don't really know
what's going on
I don't know what's going on out there. I would
love to see this thing stopped, not get approved
I think the owner of the property has driven this place into a nightmare
for eight years. Not only the property, but the residents living out there
he was holding out for something that he was hoping to get from the
commission, and he's already got his 3 votes to move on to the second reading.
but to me, this is a horrible project. It should not move forward, and something
should have been done years ago about it.
there should have been fines all over that property. Residents get a fine for a blade
of grass dead or something like that
this property just keeps on going and going,
complaints, it doesn't really matter. Private property
you know what? The owner out there has been horrible to us and the residents.
I'm not going to vote for this. I hope nobody else
will vote for it. Let's just end it and let them go back to the drawing board and let
them work with the city and the residents.
to me, I don't think this is a good proposal.
I heard from residents tonight, listen to
since your residence, listen to your people. So I support the people
on this, and there's no way I'm going to vote on this. Thank you.
commissioner schwartz? It's my understanding that actually they would… that the city
would like us
to vote yes to postpone this, but I read it all.
so my question more is, since there are changes
does that go back before development review and start all over again with the drc
since it's not what was originally proposed?
and so I'll tell you exactly what the changes are.
it's getting rid of the commercial property and building either more townhouses
or single-family homes, because I read all of it
so it's a change from what was originally brought to
us, whether you voted for it or you didn't vote for it
so my question becomes, do they start the process all over again? Because
this was not what was originally proposed, whether I voted for it or not
I don't think they start from square one, but there will be reviews
by drc for any site plan changes, any site plan submittals, yes.
so I think, tommy, that the city would prefer that you do vote to table it or
whatever this is right now so that it is still
postponed and we at least get to see what the changes. This would be a motion to
continue the public hearing september 2nd, 2026.
well, it doesn't appease us because number one, if they're housing
that isn't going to give us any tax money, it's not appeasing us
but that's what my understanding was that at
this point it would serve us better to just
let this go for the next couple of months and then see what the next step is.
thank you. That was it for me.
okay, I will second the motion to table. Continue. Continue to december 2nd was
what was recommended. Yeah, september 2nd. September. September 2nd. September 2nd.
please call the roll.
commissioner schwartz? Yes
commissioner simone. Yes. Commissioner rosano? No
vice mayor kojihanna? Yes. Mayor asario? Yes
okay, 7a resolutions
this is a resolution for 2026-158, a resolution of the city of margate, florida,
approving change order number 1 to the agreement with mbr construction for rfq 2025-01
centennial park improvements awarded under resolution number 26-026,
providing for a not to exceed increase of $532,350 per conversion of a
sentinel park basketball court to one tennis, two pickleball,
and one basketball court, providing for an effective date
what is the wish of the commission?
this is the change order to mbr construction for centennial park.
so if you recall a couple meetings ago, the board
authorized an agreement with nbr construction to make improvements at centennial park
a component of those improvements were
replacing the existing basketball court with a multi-purpose tennis court structure
that
could be used as tennis or the nets could be configured so that it could be used as
pickleball
since that approval, we got some resident feedback that they did not want to eliminate
the basketball court, and petition this board to have us look into getting pricing
to redesign so that we can have basketball,
pickleball, and tennis at that court. So, this is the
requested a change order, change of design, and cost of construction for completing
that project with the three components,
the pickleball courts, tennis court, and basketball. It would be a half court, it
wouldn't be a full court basketball court.
yeah, you're still up. Okay, first off, I think a
half a million dollars is absolutely ridiculous.
when this came about, I think there was a resident that came up and went on tiktok
about why
are we taking out basketball courts? I agreed, I don't want to take out the
basketball court. So
when I saw the line items in there for, I don't know if it wasn't specifically about
removing of the basketball court. Why did we remove it? Well, that's the question.
it was, I think, 130, don't quote me on this, about $130,000. Because the residents
asked at
the time that they not, when we first went through this that we not have basketball
courts and lights on and kids playing late in the evening. If you go way back when
this was proposed, it was proposed as a bigger park with a lot more amenities, a lot
more money.
and they didn't want it. So we tapered it back. So when this came out, it was a
design build. Let's remember that
it's a design build. There's nothing in writing. There's no drawing that we're going
by. So there's nothing basically
to build by. It's just what we want and how much it's going to cost and
who's going to build it. So it came back as a design build mbr got it
a couple of residents came up and said that why are we taking out the
basketball courts? Even my kids said, why are we taking it out? I read
from the city that they did a poll in the neighborhood
some residents wanted tennis courts. I don't know who wants
tennis courts. I'd rather have a basketball than a tennis court.
but these are parks that are not specifically for
residents in that area
as much as people don't want to hear that, I know it is in royal spring
south. However, it's being paid for by all the residents in the city.
okay? So when I look at this, I talk to the city manager after the meeting,
and I say, what kind of credit can we get if we leave the basketball court
because you're not taking it out. So we're saving $130,000
so ask the general contractor what kind of a credit we're going to get to come back
with an increase of $530,000
just blew me away. Supposedly, from what I'm hearing is because it's redesigning the
property for the stormwater
am I correct on that?
it's not just that, but we can't leave the basketball court the way it is. Why
not? 20 plus years old, it is full of cracks. And if we are investing in putting in a
new park out there
we would have a new basketball court
and the way we were doing this before is we were taking out the surface of the
basketball court and
using that area, that sub base for the installation of a tennis court. And so now if
we are looking at
adding additional square footage out there, additional blacktop, additional earth
removal, additional sub-base
putting in. And yes, there is a counting that goes into that for stormwater retention,
water displacement, or whatnot
this is the price that the contractors come back to us for that.
okay, and I think it's absolutely ridiculous. I wouldn't
mind seeing a 20 by 20 concrete slab with a basketball hoop.
so I don't know for a half a million dollars what kind of basketball
court we're getting. And I understand it's a lot of it's going towards the
the stormwater
so my question is, because I've been in that neighborhood, it floods
out all the time. Is the stormwater connected to the lake out there?
just curious.
I don't know
because I think more of an issue of improving the park would probably be fixing the
storm order.
in case you're familiar with that area, there's a lake probably about a couple
hundred yards away
I don't know what it's used for. If it's not used for stormwater,
for retaining water or overflow of the water on that property
and why are we going to increase it? Why are we going to put all
this money to a park that's still going to have a flooding issue
so I don't think
this proposal for $530,000 is actually
I don't know, substantial. I think it's crazy, to be honest with you
but more in all, I've heard that it's the stormwater is going to be the problem
or the cost, so it just made me think that maybe the stormwater system in that area
is flawed.
maybe we should say it's the stormwater system or that it's a flooding issue out
there, but
you have the basketball court, and then you have, you know, it's all grass field, and
so it's all
impervious, and right? And so now we're looking at adding more asphalt into that area
and displacing that
grass. And so we have to account for that impervious area now, and so the stormwater
retention becomes
on the site, not necessarily tying into stormwater lines.
it's not a flooding issue in that area.
I don't disagree with you.
it's saddening to see the cost of these construction projects
and how much everything is coming in.
we've gone back and forth on this project for years
and, you know, the original design was a very grand type of
project, and the community came out and said they didn't want that.
so we went back to the drawing board, and we spoke to the community
out there, and they told us that they wanted, you know, tennis courts
and they wanted a very minimal
you know, improvements to that park. And I certainly understand what you're saying,
that this is… this is not their exclusive
neighborhood park. This is a, you know, a citywide that it's anybody that lives here
in the city is paying for and can use that
and we heard from residents in that area and outside of
that area saying that they wanted basketball as well.
and so we are we're trying to, you know, appease, you know, the desires of
many different users of that park out there
and we have a price from our contractor to do that. And we can, you know, agree, you
know or disagree with that pricing. But that's what it's come
at come back at. That neighborhood definitely has a history of being divided. Is that
the same neighborhood with the speed bumps? Correct, yes.
they wanted speed bumps. They went through the process. The hoa voted on it, yes
and then a whole half a residence that all of a sudden found out now don't want speed
bumps, and they're bombarding the city. So it's kind of a history with that nature.
to ask for things and then not want them
I understand that. I remember the night that it came up with the basketball
and I was in favor of keeping the basketball court and I don't even mind paying
some money to
create a new court or whatever additions that are necessary but
for $500,000, and you being a contractor, and saying that is outrageous.
take your expertise on that
it's probably a little too excessive.
well, I'm just saying, if we were going to offer the amenity, I'd rather
have basketball over tennis, but to come back with a half a million dollars
I would just like to see a 20 by 20 concrete slab with a
basketball hoop so the kids can continue playing basketball
not to mention, they do make asphalt now out of
basketball. Of course, they use asphalt, that is pervious
so there'd be no drainage issue, no problem with the stormwater
but when I see this
drives me nuts. And just for those that don't know, once you take on a job as a
contractor, anything you want on that property, it has to go through that contractor.
so, in other words, if we're doing this park
and we say, hey, we want to add a flagpole
the contractor doing the job has to do the flagpole, and you have to basically use his
price or wait till he closes out the permit, and then you got to go pay to have it
done.
so it's one of these catch-22s where honestly,
you know, I didn't think tennis was that big
I've only read one letter of somebody that wanted tennis
but I hate to give up the basketball court,
but to see this price, half a million dollars
because the neighborhood… and you have a good point. It's a city park. The
neighborhood treats it like their own exclusive club and they
didn't want people all these cars and coming in, but yet they want pickleball that's
going to be being in a ball back and forth, making noise
kind of just doesn't make sense
no, it doesn't. Well, it's going to be one that I would rather see basketball than
and I know pickleball is probably more popular right now, but based on the history of
that neighborhood and them
not wanting all of this attention and noise, it kind of baffles me that they would
want pickleball just doesn't
and that's where I agree with you. You know, I believe that this park is being
funded by every taxpayer. So everybody in the city of margate can go there. But yet
some people in there want tennis courts, and we're putting tennis courts in
that's the way I feel about it. Pickleball is way more popular
joanne, I congratulate you for bringing up pickleball when you first got here.
I didn't think it was going to be so popular.
it's huge, but to have pickleball there, you're going to have more people than
playing basketball. And if they don't want
basketball just doesn't make sense
just the way I feel about it. That's all. Thank you.
is there a motion? How about my number.
go ahead, sorry, commissioner schwartz. We built
the dog park for $499,999. Just thought I'd reminded
I will tell you my conversation with the city manager. This is a city park, and I
said to him, I'd like a sign out there so that people
actually know where it is, because it is treated as a community park. They didn't
walk on the walkways, they didn't want the bathrooms.
they didn't want originally the basketball because they didn't want to have the lights
we have redone this two or three times, and each time the price goes up.
so I agree with
you, if 20 by 20 does it, and we have to close out the permit and then bring it back
with somebody else doing it at a normal price, but for
a basketball court to cost as much as the dog parks did
it's ridiculous
and to be honest, if there was a petition, I never saw it for this, for basketball.
I heard the
person who came up and asked for it. But again, those people would like this to
remain their park
it's a city park funded by city dollars. I want a city sign
out there that says centennial park, so people can find it
because that doesn't exist right now. To add to your
comment, I made the suggestion a long time ago because
the first term I was here, I didn't even know… I didn't even know
it existed. And I live at that intersection. I'm there all the time.
lower the hedge. Right. Hedge… you've got the neighborhood fence, and then that
podocarpus hedge. It's so tall, and
unless you know the park is back in there, you do not see it.
in 40 years, I've never had a reason to go in there.
but now it's a city park funded, and it's a city park. People should know
it existed. But if, indeed we don't have to spend a half a million dollars
to put in a basketball court
and maybe we ought to find another way to do that, even if it means that mbr, who
happens to do all of our parks and all of our
stuff, doesn't get to do that and that we do it after market when that's finished
with a different way, with a different vendor
so city manager, if do we already have a contract
executed, I guess what I'm getting at is if this doesn't
pass or it seems like it's not even going to get a motion
what happens with the project? Doesn't pass, and it doesn't get a motion. We will
move forward with the contract that you
have approved, which is for an upgrade to the playground. It would be replacing the,
basketball court with a tennis court
now, if this board wants us to not do that and keep the basketball court there, we can
that is probably a much easier thing to do. I don't know if there's going to be a
cost change of that,
just changing out, you know, the basketball hoops and whatnot, that all needs to be,
you know, upgraded.
but I think that would be substantially less. I would
rather do that, and if the people really want tennis
there are other city parks. Or they could justify $500,000
I like the suggestion of just leaving the basketball court
and not doing anything to prepare it? No. Yes, resurface
it, repaint it, the nets, the hoops, whatever, but
to dig out the
we wouldn't be adding any more asphalt out there. We would be using the existing area,
we'd be replacing
the existing asphalt out there. What that use would be, whether it's tennis and
pickleball or basketball
you know, I think that should be very interchangeable within this contract, not
a substantial cost, if any, but I don't know that without going back and speaking
with the contractor. And if it's such a big deal, then instead of two pickleball,
do one tennis and one raise the net. I mean, that's substantially the whole
difference there. Right. And so, you know that's that's what we were doing with the
the initial project was to put in a tennis court size piece of asphalt where the
existing basketball court was and then on one
tennis court, you can get two pickleball courts going, you know sideways. And so we
were going to put the nets in this. It was just
using that same existing space
this change expands that footprint, so you have basketball and the tennis and
pickleball courts. Do you have any parks besides firefighters
park that has that much going on in it? Coral gate park has basketball, it has tennis
and it has pickleball, and it has playground, yeah
bigger areas
so if this doesn't pass, I would certainly like direction from the board
tonight if you want us to revisit taking out the basketball court and leaving in
refurbished. Refurbishing the basketball court and leaving the basketball court and
getting going away from putting in tennis
courts, eliminating the basketball court. So let me do this. The first half of the
puzzle is, is there a motion for this?
seeing no motion, so this fails.
right, so now I think the city manager, as he just said, is looking for direction.
it's as far as do you want
to remove the basketball court and move forward with the original agreement or to
keep it a basketball court
so any comment on
keeping at a basketball court.
commissioner schwartz, you're first. No, I'm
sorry. I'll cancel that. Commissioner rosano.
I mean, like it's been said, we've been going back and forth with this for a long time
I would just like to see the pickleball courts, the tennis court, and
the basketball area. Doesn't have to be a full-blown-out basketball court
and my next question is, is there contingency money in this project?
always.
yeah, I believe there is. I don't have what that is. No, it's always 20. There's
always a… it's never 10. It's always
20. It's a lot. It's always 20, and it's amazing how it always hits that.
it's more than that. It's more than that.
so, is it possible we can ask him what a
concrete slab would be for a future purpose use?
just to make everybody happy with the basketball, the tennis
and just come back and put a hoop there, or whatever? I mean
I have a feeling if we cancel the tennis
those two or three residents are going to ask why we did that.
I don't think converting
tennis courts to pickleball courts make sense, though.
I'd rather have just strict pickleball
courts.
it's just a matter of the height of the no no no it's got to be restripped and oh
yes, it is
it's not ideal to have pickleball courts on a tennis court. It has different striping,
you know, it would really just be for, you know, people practicing out there.
you wouldn't be able to host a, you know, a legitimate game or tournament style
thing. So it's kind of like two-folded here, because if they don't want people there.
go with the tennis courts. You know what I'm saying? If you want people to enjoy
their parks, since
they're paying for them, put the pickleball courts, put the basketball, and possibly
a tennis court.
but if you go by firefighters park, I don't think the tennis
courts are being used that much. The pickleball courts are packed
so common sense would say go with the one that's more popular. But
that's not what the residents want. They want something that
isn't going to draw people in. And we've seen that because of the
proposal we had, it was beautiful, but that's not what they wanted
so I'm going to leave it up to you guys, and I'll just
go with you guys on this one
it started it
vice mayor.
I got a text a little while back saying that on the basketball court with
the issues that's there, that you can put an epoxy down on the old asphalt
and make it level
and make it look like a brand new surface for only a little bit of money
I'm not sure. I don't know the product, but I'll find out the product, but I'm told
that there's an epoxy that you can use that would… that would, make it look almost
brand new again
for a little bit of money. So you can, right, you can resurface, repaint, you know,
there's stuff out there for it, but we've got, you know, lifting of asphalt, and, you
know, you can't
so the asphalt itself is… it is falling apart as 25, 30 years old. It is…
it's due for replacement. Regardless of whether it's tennis or basketball.
we're putting money into, you know, we're improving our park. And we've heard for a
number of years that we don't want to, you know shortcut
things. We want a park to be done nice and new, and if we're investing, you know
parks bond dollars in there, it doesn't mean we, you know
we're frivolous, but, you know. But cal, this half a million dollars would come from
the general fund. Would
come from a combination of rec trust funds and general fund? Not the bond anymore.
we would be over that money
we're finished with that. Correct.
so I'm not interested in spending money out of those two pots. The original
project, the original agreement was for 2.3 million. Correct. We have $1.3 million of
parks bond dollars left
correct. In that agenda item, we got authorization to use
up to a million dollars of park and rec trust funds, right?
if you approve this change order
you can authorize the park and rec trust funds for it, which would
ultimately deplete those park and rec trust funds or general fund
right. Neither, to me, are good options
I'm done. Commissioner simone
so because this is such a controversy and going
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth
I think we should have a workshop on it
and get the residents to
come out and voice their opinion and let us know one way or another
what they would like and be done with this. And how much it costs and let
them know how much it costs. Yeah. So I think this calls for a workshop
I would agree with that
because how many times, this is the third change. Correct. And every time we change
the price goes up for
less. And it will continue to do that. And I don't want to pressure the board into
doing one thing or the other
but we are way past due on using these bond funds, to have a workshop. I think we've
heard… we've got a community survey that
showed what we wanted.
we've heard from social media about, you know, other things that they want.
we've gotten emails about it.
I
again, I don't want to pressure the board. If you want to have a workshop, we
certainly can. But I think we have enough information. We don't like the cost
and that's the difficult part of this. I don't think you can, you know, in the
community, find out whether or not they approve of spending that
additional dollar. I think the basketball folks are going to say they want basketball
and spend the money, and I don't think either side will back off
on saying what they want
you know, the one thing that we could do is we can leave the original design in there,
finish that
project and come back in the future and look at putting in a pad for a basketball
court on our own
maybe it's not a bad idea.
see how the community reacts to this project being completed? It won't be done with a
basketball court. We
can say we, you know, we're deferring that to future years. Let's see how property
taxes, you know, roll out.
evaluate, you know, feedback that we get from residents, asking
where the basketball court went. It's not ideal to do that, but
it's somewhat reactionary, but in my opinion, I think we've heard from the
neighborhood out
there, it's not a overwhelming majority of people that decided on this, but the
majority did
so we can continue to try to get more and more feedback,
but I think we'll find ourselves in the same boat.
I mean, at the end of the day — my suggestion, my recommendation at this point is
to not move forward with this change order. Let's complete the project
and we can evaluate expanding it in the future and adding in a basketball court
or pickleball courts as trends change.
cal, I'll go with that.
commissioner rosano?
do that, I don't mind doing that, but I would like to
see that contingency money moved out for a concrete slab
I know it's over $100,000
so rather than see it get used up on
revelist stuff
maybe put a tag on it and cut the contingency down to 5%.
it's still going to be over $100,000
I think it's 160,000, I think
no, no, no, the contingency. Okay.
and every job we do, the contractors eat up the contingency.
always. So at least we could say, hey, listen
we're going to add a line item of $50,000 for the slab
reducing the contingency, but at least we're going to be able to have a future by
taking it out of
contingency or line item it line item it instead of contingency being so high line
item it, then
he has to do it. Well, then they would have to do it. Correct.
do we want them having to do it when they're making a prices like you're thinking,
out of thin
air? Well, he needs to go back and look at the real numbers. I mean, if you need a
contractor to give a concrete number… I'm listening to what you're saying
and if what you're saying is correct, that they'll find a way to spend whatever
money's available, then we should remove that money, not give them the opportunity to
spend it. Then later on, go to somebody else, say, this is the
money we have. Correct. And that's what we want to spend. And listen, the reason why
I'm saying that… 100%. The reason why I'm saying that, because supposedly, what I've
been heard is the contingency money is for future lights
so if these people don't want lights. If they don't want people there, they're
not going to want lights. They told us they don't want lights. So take that
whatever it is, thousand, I wish we knew the number. I'm
looking it up. And use that towards the possibility of a
basketball area. Doesn't have to be a full-blown-out court.
no, it could be a half court. Exactly. Just, just something. I disagree with
you. I just think that we should not only pull the money out, we should pull the
money out and not leave it anywhere where it can be touched.
but I think we've already approved the contract, if I'm not mistaken.
yes, you've approved the base contract. So the base contract, it has a lump sum in it
with a contingency, which we
know is going to get eaten up. So why not draw some of that money back out, put a
line item as the basketball area
and go from there. I don't care how you do it, cal.
if you can get it done, get it done. I mean, I don't disagree with you. Obviously, you
know I'm on the same page with you. I just want him to have an opportunity to do it
however, he thinks he can do it and get away with it within the contract parameters,
that works for me. I honestly think it's doable with the contingency
money there. Okay. And if we're not going to do capture lights there… you're right.
well, how about the reminder that mbr has been doing all of our stuff
and that they owe us a little bit for that.
sometimes goodwill should work. I've done every park
they've done every… I don't even think anybody bids against them. What you're
saying is they should work with us. They should work with us. I got you.
don't get complacent
that's right
because I think getting a check mark and an excellent
rating from us might help them when they go to other cities
all right, so there's no motion, there's no second. So this change order fails. What
I'm hearing for
direction is to move forward with the existing design as it is with the tennis and
pickleball courts
and using when I identify what the contingency is or allowances,
finding a way to put in a… some sort of a pad for basketball. And I will
see what we can do there. I will report back.
good. Thank you. And then I think… last item
discussion and possible action
it's been withdrawn. It's formally be withdrawn from the agenda.
okay, so it's we're done. Yeah, but just so that the public knows if it
wasn't it was mentioned during public comment, but since the item is here
the reason why we're not discussing it is there's no need for litigation because the
person
in question paid in full plus interest. So that defeats the purpose of us having today
that's right, but… today. But the item was, if we're gonna sue them
or not, we don't need to… no, no, but I'm just saying, today. Yeah
meeting is adjour