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>> all right.
Let's do this.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
>> and if you please stand for the prayer in the pledge now your heads please father god, we come to you and we just are so thankful for this day.
First of all, we are thankful for the beautiful weather that you've given us in this glorious sunshine that we will all live under today.
Father, we just ask that you put your hands upon each and every one of us and continue to bless us and you continue to bless this county.
Father, we ask that you instill your will in each one of us that sit up here so that we make decisions that are in the benefit of all citizens of marion county.
And father, we just thank you that we live in marion county where we are able to come together and we're able to do the work for the citizens of this county in your name and that you continue to bless each and every one of us.
Please watch over our first responders as they go about their daily business and watch over our service men and women here and abroad in the lord jesus name we pray.
>> amen.
And as we just do the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all
.
>> good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Madam clerk, if you'll call the roll.
Yes, sir.
Chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here.
Commissioner curry?
chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here. Commissioner curry?-
chairman zalak, your vice chairman mcclain here. Yeah.ssioner curry?- commissioner bryant here.
Commissioner stone.
>> you're all right.
So we can have our meeting.
Everyone, just a reminder if you would please take out your cell phone and any other devices that ring or do anything funky and please put them on silence.
If you have to take a phone call, please go outside to take that.
If not please come to the podium so we can all participate.
Today we have our regular scheduled board of county commissioners meeting.
At 150 we have our c.r.a.
Community redevelopment agency meeting.
At 2:00 today we'll have our regularly scheduled third tuesday of every month planning and zoning meeting and hen tomorrow at 130 we ill have our ext regularly scheduled wednesday planning and zoning meeting with that commissioners.
We have a couple of proclamations and to go so moved I have a motion by commissioner bryant second by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passes unanimously.
You throw me around front.
>> commissioner mcclain will present engineering we all the engineers come on up.
Look at all these people beautiful.
Thank you.
Thanks for being in.
Good morning.
>> good morning.
Morning.
Marcus is here in the morning.
>> and he wins attorneys week.
>> yeah, whatever that is.
You know there should be man, I wish I could be your public comment.
You come up and.
Good morning.
Hey, how are you?
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How are you?
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These are great until the engineers are on journeys.
>> yeah.
That's awesome.
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>> very good.
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>> all right.
Well, good morning, everyone.
Thank you for being here with us.
I keep forgetting mike mccain's an engineer.
That's the you know, university of florida engineer got here.
All right.
Well, thank you all for joining us today.
Let me present this proclamation from the board of county commissioners.
Says whereas national engineers week founded in 1951 by the national society of professional engineers is always celebrated at the time of george washington's birthday in february because he was our first president and military engineer.
And.
Whereas, professional engineers make significant contributions to improve and support our quality of life in marion county through innovative and creative solutions to technical problems.
And.
Wereas, professional engineers hold considerable responsibilities for the benefit and protection of marion county citizens and the areas of public safety, health, welfare, the environment, transportation, water power and communications as well
as mechanical electrical and electronic devices important to everyday life.
And.
Whereas, engineers are encouraging our young math and science students to realize the practical power of their knowledge.
And.
Whereas, the purpose of national engineers week is to increase public awareness and appreciation of the engineering profession.
And.
Whereas, the 2026 national engineers week theme transform your future is a powerful reminder that engineering shapes our opportunities, our communities and the futures we can imagine for ourselves and for our children.
Now therefore the board of county commissioners of marion county, florida by virtue of the authority vested in us do hereby proclaim february 22nd through february 28th 2026 be known as the engineers week duly proclaimed the 17th day of february
2026, signed by all five county commissioners and attested to by greg harrell, our clerk of the court.
So I want to first want to thank all of you for all that you do in the community, all that you do for our county.
We have so many talented people in all areas with our stakeholders in the county.
Our folks here even in our administration we have a number of engineers.
You uys help.
You guys are the problem solvers for this community and we depend on you for a lot.
So thank you very much for all that you do.
>> yes.
Well thank you so much.
We appreciate t.
We are here on behalf of florida engineering society and we are here to, you know, promote the advancement for and advocate for the engineering profession we have a couple of stem outreach programs coming up shortly that I just want to do a
quick shout out for which is mouth the counts which is february 21st and that is for middle school students.
And then we also have engineering day march 7th.
>> so we really hope to see more young professionals out there and bring them into the community and e appreciate that.
>> thank you.
Wonderful.
Right.
Thank you very an engineering thing.
>> yeah.
Yeah.
At the discovery center.
>> so you had a you had a question.
You're ready for the discovery center?
Oh yeah.
>> at the discovery center is engineering day and it's a really cool activity for students of all ages to come and we do egg drops rom dfferent heights and they have to protect that egg and then water filtration systems and it's a cool engaging
activity for you know, children to to learn a little bit of engineering that's great.
>> let's give all of our engineering professionals another round of applause please.
>> thank you.
You
all.
I was there there I know you have you all are proud of you I guess problem solvers.
Yeah, I know I didn't yeah yeah right yeah I know I let's bring the curry difference in had me so sidebar sidebar turn that tile.
All right we have next we have public comment mr.
Walker is signed up for five minutes to talk about item nine one update on various road projects.
Mr.
Walker, I'm not here and you signed up.
>> okay.
Wow.
Hurry up.
Move on.
Oh, all right.
>> anybody else in the public like to speak on one of the agenda items are seeing none.
Fantastic.
We'll bring it back to the board.
>> we have five sets of minutes, commissioners so moved have a motion ith the minutes by commissioner bryant second by commissioner stone.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously have no constitutional officers mr.
Clerk good morning, sir.
>> good morning, mr.
Chair.
Good morning.
Board have for the board's consideration and adoption budget amendment resolution items 511 through 516 would point out that item 513 relates to consent agenda item 764.
>> kay commissioners, would you like to pull anything?
Okay.
All right.
I'm in motion for the consent here.
>> sure.
Does anybody want to pull 764?
No, no.
All right, I'll move up.
Seven, six four as well as 511351 six a motion by commissioner bryant second by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed I passed unanimously as for making it easy for me today thank you.
>> thank you, mr.
Chair.
Item 521 is a project adjustment request related to the infrastructure surtax capital project fund.
>> all right, excellent update the sales tax so moved on second motion by commissioner bryant second by commissioner mcclain.
All those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously s well.
>> all right.
Finally, mr.
Chair item 31 which is a request for disposition of miscellaneous property by commissioners any questions on the property to approve?
I have a motion approved by commissioner curry second by commissioner stone.
All those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously.
All right.
Questions we're going to move on consent.
Commissioner stone I have nothing all my questions got answered as late s even this morning.
>> so thank you.
Perfect.
Commissioner bryant, I have nothing.
>> I just will make one note.
I'm really glad to see and we already passed it ut 764.
Yeah.
Finally.
Okay, good.
Yeah.
No, that's been a long time coming.
Yes.
>> all right.
Any other questions or comments?
Commissioner curry good.
>> no question.
Mclane we do have a couple of revisions on 732751 eight one a a walk on and eight two is a walk on by the county attorney so commissioners in regards to the revisions any questions or issues mounir just let's go over those revisions real quick
please.
>> 732 commissioners that's the county state housing initiative partnership but the revision on page eight section h one in page ten section eight one to include priority will be given to families who wish to reside in an unincorporated arion
county.
>> okay, excellent.
That's the addition we added to the plan.
Thank you for fixing that.
>> sure appreciate you and seven five one it's the letter of engagement with the trust for public land.
We are adding that regional parks would be the focus of that study to we clarify in parks and recreation to be at the regional level.
>> yeah ommissioners I know that we had that conversation already and I just wanted even our letter to be on notice that we're focused on regional parks.
If we're talking about parks at all in that egard.
>> so any other questions or comments on those?
All right.
Or good to its core, can we move them ll in the consent agenda with the revisions?
All right.
Commissioners will take a motion if you guys are prepared.
>> so I moved have a motion to move the consent agenda with the revisions by commissioner stone or seconded by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
All right, r.
Attorney, we've got a couple of walk ons from you, sir.
Cmmissioners, I need a motion to accept both these walk ons I moved second motion to consider by commissioner mcclain, second by commissioner bryant.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed passes unanimously.
>> all right, mr.
Minter.
Good morning, mr.
Chair.
>> item 8.1 relates o a board decision back in december of last year denying a small scale plan amendment that had a concurrent result owning for a period attached to t for a property off of southwest 80th street and southwest 72nd court.
So he board denied that application and for the small scale amendment and then the property owner withdrew the rezoning because they needed the complaint amendment for the rezoning.
Subsequent to that in january of this year the applicant ms.
Campos only through her attorney mr.
Roper in orlando filed a request for a mediation and I flew her hearing.
We're becoming more familiar with those things lately and among other things that would call for a mediation process that could take a day of board a board member and staff time to go through that in lieu of that and discussions with attorney
roper, we've subject to the board's approval of course agreed that we would I would recommend to the board that the board allow this as a way to be able to bring her application potentially with modifications back before the normal 12 month
period that you usually have to wait and then that would come before the board.
This this agreement makes no commitment whatsoever that the board would approve any new application for ms.
Campos okay.
But this is in lieu of the the florida proceeding.
One of the outcome potential outcomes of the polluter proceeding is that it might end up coming back before the board anyway.
So it's the thought of mr.
Roper and myself that this might save all the parties concerned some time and attorney fees.
>> so my recommendation is the board allow this if the board agrees with this then at the next board meeting I would bring a very brief agreement signed by both parties back to the board itemizing these items.
>> mr.
Mitchell the reason you're considering this is because there's some technicality otherwise we wouldn't bring these back in before 12 months, correct?
>> normally, right.
Yeah.
There was an issue with he notice in the application last time, you know otherwise we wouldn't consider it within a year.
Commissioners, if you remember this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that intersection especially but was
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that intersection especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there ection especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. On especially but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman ally but was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman mr. But was-
this this is the one that we denied on 80th because of that there mr. Chairman mr. Mr.t was- minter was there a reason that we had to do this on a walk on and it couldn't have just come to us in our agenda in march?
>> well again I think here's a thought that we're trying to do this as expeditiously as possible to give her an opportunity to go ahead and bring this back within six months.
So that was the rather just the timing issue our commissioners any other questions anyone in the public want to comment about bringing this hearing back?
>> yes, mr.
Little please.
>> yes, bernie little 4899 northwest 90th avenue, ocala.
It's a walk on item and so I don't I wasn't aware of it.
It's not on the current agenda for the county right.
Will these documents be posted to where someone like me can look at them publicly?
>> we're talking about the walk on item or are we talking about the walk on this particular walk on item?
I just checked again, it's not on the current agenda for this morning so if I assume they're public record and if they are a copy of there you go right here.
Well thank you so much.
>> I'm happy to give it to simone or this this does get updated.
When does it get updated and how does it work?
We will we will post them with the after agenda material and then they will be this item will be on the next agenda.
>> was all the information you're discussing today and and there will be an additional agreement from mr.
Minter bringing it to you for approval.
>> okay.
Hopefully that makes sense.
Mr.
Little any other questions or comments?
>> all right.
So you know, we'll bring it back to the board commissioners.
So mr.
Chair, before we make a motion but I would just like to say this on something like this I think it's important when it comes to the public and it's a decision that we've already made that it could possibly be coming back to us and the decision
could be changed that these don't come to us in a walk on unless it's absolutely necessary.
You know, in light of mr.
Little's comments, the ublic has no idea that this is going on.
So they've had no opportunity to come out and give any input on this and I understand that it's all being done on a technicality.
But unless this was super time sensitive, I really believe that these items should be on a published agenda.
>> I don't disagree.
I mean we aren't going to republish it though and have an entire public hearing on it.
So I mean yeah I, I, I understand your sentiments though and I understand mr.
Little sentiment so we will publish them and make them part of the agenda.
>> so thank you commissioner bryant as always.
So any other concerns or are you okay to move this forward?
>> I'll make a motion to approve the agreement waiving the 12 month limitation for refiling of this application.
>> thank you commissioner stone have a motion to approve second by commissioner mcclain.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
So please make sure that these get on the updated agenda.
Thank you, sir.
>> yes, sir.
All right.
We also have the second item, mr.
Minter yes.
>> the board will recall that back in november of 25 mr.
Jason roberts, the ceo of upper communities made a presentation to the board regarding his firm's proposal a very unique proposal to provide affordable housing for essential workforce for government agencies including potentially marion county
employee city of ocala employees, marion county public school and marion county sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique project that among other things
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique project that among other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would t that among other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide mong other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for other things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for marion things-
sheriff's office employees and this would be a a unique would provide for marion county- to own the tract of land and then there would be a master lease agreement between marion county and the developer.
The developer would develop several hundred a single family homes, single family and or potentially multifamily homes that would have the benefit of lower than normal arket rates for rentals for qualifying public employees the idea being that
this would address the dual needs of public agencies both for attracting new employees because of the need for affordable housing and also retaining employees that we already have for the same reason.
So it's a very interesting proposal.
The same company currently has a project that they're working through the details on up in franklin county a little bit different than us but at this point all I'm asking for from the board is consensus is for us to continue our due diligence
review of this.
That was a request of upward communities they have a council with gray robinson in orlando and also their bond counsel up in tallahassee, brian miller and have and we're going to be having a subsequent meeting when I say we chris traver, our
bond counsel and myself and representatives from the clerk's office this coming friday to continue to evaluate the aspects of the financing.
Of course our objective in this is to look at it from every possible angle and determine that this would be safe for the board of county commissioners to enter into such a deal.
It would be kind of somewhat similar to a conduit financing that we enter into with industrial revenue bonds.
So generally speaking the board would not have direct liability on any of the bonds that would be used to finance it.
But we want to make sure that the board wouldn't be exposed to any indirect negative impacts on our financial statement as a result of the project.
So again we've been working aong in discussions both in person with representative from upwork communities and munir's office and online zoom calls with their representatives and we're just asking for their benefit.
They want to know that the board is really has an interest in this and that's so I'm asking for today commissioners any questions comments yeah I mean yeah I'm still very interested to to see the process through and to see what the possibility
of doing that is.
I think there's a significant benefit that that could that could be for for the county and for our staff and employees and I think it's a great idea.
>> so I'd like to see it continue doesn't mean we have to do it but I'd like to see the process through.
>> right.
I feel the same way.
I mean good opportunity but as I we had a conversation previously mr.
Minter I want to make sure that the county and the taxpayers are very protected.
You know, just like when we kind of did the landfill deal, I want to make sure at the end of it that worst case scenario and we know exactly what that is and taxpayers don't lose.
Right?
I mean I think the court will make sure that that happens between all of us.
I think we're we're in good shape so long as we can all come to some kind of agreement.
>> mr.
Kirk, I just wanted to see if the clerk had any if you had any involvement of this since the last.
Yes and certainly the finance team under.
Ms.
Cole and myself we've had conversations with mr.
Minter, mr.
Traver, you know mr.
Minter and it's typical way very well.
And so ust wanting to continue those discussions more than anything I think the concern is how what the actual documents would look like and say and how that would translate to what would be on the county's books as far s potential liability
and long term debt obligations .
>> yeah.
Would it affect our bonding in the future those kind of questions right.
They're all great questions that we need to know at least if we yeah and just as an aside commissioner curry, I would say to you know I think you know as the discussion goes forward if the sort of methodology nd approach looks sound you know
I think it's worth having an honest conversation for you all amongst yourselves and with each other at meetings.
>> you know there is sort of the national narrative of a need for public housing.
I will say at least in my own experience part of the growth we're experiencing here in marion county is still relative to other places even in the state, much less he country.
We're actually in pretty good shape.
I mean I keep getting new employees from south florida because they're moving up here because it's more affordable to buy housing here.
So I think, you know, before you get too far down the road of does the financial package make sense, it's like is that something you really want to commit to or not?
>> your question thank you, mr.
Craig well, you know the only originally I think the big concern from the commission was that it was looking like we were going to encumber upwards of $200 million of bonding but that doesn't seem to be the case.
>> yeah, I think you know all that remains to be seen.
We certainly we've heard representations from their principal that it wouldn't be the case but it's still a fairly novel concept that's still being worked out in its first iterations elsewhere.
So it's not in my opinion sort of a tried and true proven approach yet it's not to say can't work or you can't get there but there's definitely some lingering concern about you know, somebody is going to be on the hook and it's most likely the
county that kind of money in that scope project isn't done without somebody ultimately being on the hook for it.
>> great questions.
Commissioner curry anyone else real good with your staff?
>> well, I mean I think we've all said about the same thing and I don't think our position has changed.
W're very interested but again we are not willing to encumber our our borrowing abilities and bonding abilities in the future .
>> yeah, I mean I think listen until until there's a documentation I don't think anyone's changed their mind right until we can evaluate the actual deal there's no deal in front of us at this point.
We need to figure that part out and then once once the deal comes to us and we get a draft paper document then we can actually make it we can actually start to make some decisions until then we're interested.
So I'm not guidance that's good .
All right.
Any anyone of the public you heard our discussion anyone in the public would like to comment.
This is a walk on item thing.
None.
We'll bring it back to the board is all you needed was consensus.
>> yeah.
All right.
>> excellent.
Anything else, mr.
Attorney?
No, thank you.
No story?
>> no.
All right.
We'll move on to the stories of our county administrator.
>> good morning.
Good morning, commissioners.
>> and the story for you today is an update on our road projects.
Excellent.
>> favorite story ur favorite story.
Good morning.
Stephen kane, county engineer.
I'm here to present the february 2026 update.
Just a reminder for the public to this is just a snapshot of what we've got going on in the county.
If you o to the agenda you can download the map of some of our highest priority projects as well as more information on numerous projects throughout the county.
With that I'll go right into the presentation.
I wanted to highlight the southwest 40th the 49th avenue phase one project as well lots o work going on right now southwest 60 street 66th street intersection improvement phase one detour is an acted.
We're also improving upon that detour.
So we did get some citizen concerns.
The phase two detour is expected to have portable changeable message boards on 200 with some of the confusion we heard from the community we're going to go ahead move forward with that in our phase one so our teams are out there putting some
of those message boards out today on 200 coordinating with dot as well as the contractor to try to get some additional information out to the community.
Aso finding ways to improve coordination, other ways we were meeting with numerous entities throughout the county giving presentations last night my deputy county engineer was giving a presentation to a group as well.
>> this detour is expected to be complete without signage on 200 and what is that?
It's 80th right?
Tat is that right steven I'm sorry on 80th itself I don't believe there's any signage on .
We need signage there.
Right.
So at least put it there.
So when people hit 80th they know the detour for the bridge.
We need something they're saying hey, this is the way you should go instead of making people go like we talked about all the way down to 66 right or 60th going all the way down all the way back around back to 80th and then down like that's so
annoying.
>> it is and I get it if you already hit it but if you haven't hit it yet and you're coming from there we need to be warning people like we talked about all the way down 200 hey the bridge has a detour right?
Fastest way there or whatever you want to say.
Yep.
Need to be turning on trying to divert as much traffic on 80th as we can.
>> I'll bring that back to the team this morning for the phase one and see what we can do in coordination with d.o.t.
As well to get all that taken care of.
The city did approve the left turn lane extension at 42nd or 43rd street and 40th avenue and then the design is underway for the dual lefts at 27 as well as the extension for the westbound left turn lane southwest 80th avenue segment one.
So with today's approval of these various agreements we'll be able to move forward with the construction activities.
We're reviewing the schedule right now, the cpm schedule.
There's a lot of back and forth with the contractor identifying what is the critical path.
We all agree to that.
Then we move forward with the pre con and ultimately construction we're looking at around a february 15th date to give that notice to proceed to the contractor and let them loose or 16th I'm sorry also talking about that coordination we've been
meeting with numerous entities and we've got an indigo east meeting that's going to be coming up to try to get more word out as construction activities ramp up.
Just last week we met with the school board and the new principal at the south marion high school and have some more school presentations that will be giving the later part of this month southwest 80th and 70th avenue segment three.
>> so this is going to e the next major project that lets loose out f the office of the county engineer.
We're finishing up some of our last few negotiations.
The good news for us work is the largest roperty owner as it relates to outstanding teaching properties.
They have agreed verbally to let us have a right of entry agreement.
What that does is open up that project for us as we're negotiating and settling the last few remaining parcels that'll open up the entire north half of this project potentially they have a lot of holdings on the east side down here as well that
gives us a comfort level to move forward.
We talked a little bit about the cpm schedule.
We can work with the contractor saying you can work in these areas, you cannot work in these areas.
Concurrent activities start to open up and we can start to see some progress out here on this particular project you have that agreement.
>> I don't have it yet verbally they've agreed to I'm working with their attorney as well as our legal team getting all of that squared away will execute.
That gives us the comfort level to move forward with an advertisement as well as some additional parcels that are going to stipulate or of taking hearing in april once we see how all of this plays out which I don't have any hesitation but that
allows us to advertise this project and start construction out here.
>> so it's it's coming it's coming quick hold on one second mr.
West are we getting close on that agreement so we can start work or no, I haven't seen the agreement yet.
I can't tell you but I think it would be a pretty straightforward agreement.
>> okay.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
We're we're expecting atp to the contractor june july of this year and then right behind that's going to be the 49th street project as well while we also are gearing up for the 38th and 40th 38th 40th avenue project as well.
So we talked a little bit about bonding at the strategic plan update.
I believe the 80th 70th avenue segment three we will have enough funds to move that one forward without a bond consideration.
It starts to become a real conversation where the 40 not street 38 40th avenue as well the marion oaks flyover all of those are going to start the discussion for the bonding and in a nutshell I know I jumped around a little bit those are those
are the highlights that I've got before you today and will absolutely be working to get some improved signage out there for that reason and any other questions or comments?
>> mr.
Curry yes, sir.
Is it fair to say from your best guesstimate that he four lining of ideas the entire 11 miles while seeing 27 going up to the new interchange and including bucky's that all of this will be completed by 28?
I think we're going to be extremely close with the exception of the segment two so when you go south of 40 and you tie in to where our phase 1/80 avenue project is that segment two it's a little over a mile and a half remnant that will still
be in design and gearing up for construction.
So thinking about the top that's the one that's kind of tucked in between one and three and that'll come after that construction is wrapping up on 1 in 3 as well.
>> well that's one of the questions I'm sure everybody's getting and I know I get it up .
Paramount number one when's bucky's coming?
Keep telling them 2028.
That's what I've been told.
And then when those ideas are going to be completed then it all kind of fits together because once you close 27 you got to cut that new road into the new interchange.
But you know it is oh go ahead.
>> I think bucky's also is contingent upon that interchange being done.
They can't start until that interchange gets done.
>> so be simultaneous.
Yeah.
We don't have and that's out of our I would I would start telling people 29 that way if it's earlier they think you're a hero I think we're going to be at the tail end 35 of 20 we did coordinate closely with dot as well I understand that they're
going to start breaking ground within the next week or two at that interchange.
So the interchange work is actually going to be one of the early out components of that project.
They identified that in their schedule as needing to be completed at the onset for the new florida and the interchange is funded they to have that interchange funded and the 49th street extension that's he bond discussion that we're going to
have to have to make that all fall into place.
>> excellent.
Sir, I did speak with secretary tyler told me in mid-march that turn lane on 44 will be done and hopefully he's going to help me not to let the contractor linger too long after that to get the rest of it cleaned up.
So that's our we're working on that as well.
>> so everybody knows anything else stephen.
All right, commissioners, any other questions for stephen?
Thank you so much.
Christopher stephen as always, like everybody.
>> are we have committee items.
Mr.
Clerk thank ou, mr.
Chair.
>> yes, we have a handful of them today.
First is item 10.1 which was a request to appoint one member to serve on the code enforcement board for the remainder of a full unexpired term ending august 26th or a new alternate term ending february 29th.
Mr.
David francis received the appropriate votes to serve for the full term expiring august 26th so moved.
>> I have a motion by commissioner bryant second by commissioner curry all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously.
>> item 10.2 is a request to reappoint one full member to the hills of ocala to you for recreation advisory council for a new term ending february 2030 and mr.
Victor m for rare jr received the appropriate votes so moved our motion by commissioner bryant second by cmmissioner mcclain all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously.
>> item ten point three is a request for ratification of commissioner ron livesey or livesey as the city of belleview representative on the tourist development council so moved by motion y commissioner ryan, second by commissioner mcclain all
those in favor signify by saying any opposed that passes unanimously.
>> item 10.4 is a request for ratification of councilmember barry mansfield as the city of ocala representative on the tdc so moved back I'm most american mr.
Bryant second by commissioner curry.
I think we should mess with him and send him a letter.
All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I opposed that passes unanimously.
Item 10.5 is a equest to appoint two collector members to the tourist development council for individual new terms ending february 2030.
Douglas cone and rich larkin received the appropriate votes so moved I have a motion mr.
Stone the second commissioner mcclain all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passed unanimously.
Finally, item 10.6 is a request to appoint two non ollector members to the tdc for individual new terms ending february 2030 mr.
Robert walker and mr.
Christopher fernandez as received the appropriate votes so moved by commissioner o'brien second by mr.
Mcclain.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
>> all right.
Thank you mr.
Clerk.
Appreciate it.
Notation for action commissioners we are scheduling a workshop with the trust for public land regarding the actually in regarding the thing we did today in regards to the support letter that will be march 3rd at 2 p.m.
Any.
>> good so moved all right o move by commissioner bryant second by commissioner stone all those in favor signify by saying I.
I opposed that passes unanimously we're going to move on to general public comments.
I don't have anyone signed up so would anyone like to speak on any item?
Oh no.
Imean I'm calling so anybody know?
All right.
We'll bring it back to the board.
Commissioner curry?
>> no.
Good.
Mr.
Stone if.
>> any banners?
Yeah.
I'll just remind everyone that we have the rent for the springs coming up in the end of february 28th.
That'll take place a beautiful silver spring state park.
But many old come out and join us that day.
>> thank you, mr.
Bryant.
I'm good.
Oh, all right.
Let me go quick.
Mr.
Mcclain.
Ribbons today.
No ribbons and I'm great.
What a great day in marion county.
942 that's pretty darn good.
I will be in recess till this afternoon.
>> thank you, mr.
Chair.
Are we doing sierra at 154?
>> are we?
Well, we're this meeting is in recess right.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, have a seat.
Get comfortable.
I was going to go to the bathroom.
Do you want.
Yeah, I did.
>> and you know, welcome to our continuation of our board of county commissioners meeting into our zoning portion of your please again, I know you guys are already practiced up but please stand for the pledge of allegiance.
>> make it sound good.
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands.
Why wasting your time and liberty and justice for a man that don't get you excited?
I don't know what will madam clerk call the roll chairman zalak vice chairman mcclain.
Commissioner curry.
>> commissioner bryant commissioner so I'm here.
All right.
>> thank you.
And proof of publication I have proof of publication entitled notice of public hearing by marion county board of county commissioners to consider adoption of an ordinance published on the publicly accessible website marion f l.org/legal notices
on february 2nd, 2026.
>> thank you so much.
All right ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our zoning.
This does work a little bit differently than our our normal legislative meetings so we're going to get it kicked off with our waiver requests.
These are waivers for the land development code.
After that we're going to go into our consent agenda and then.
As I'm sure most of you are here, we've got a couple items for individual consideration I'm going to pass it over to our county attorney.
He's going to talk to you and give you a super bowl analogy.
Riveting information.
Also make sure that you take your phone and your ipad and any other thing that beeps vibrate or whatever and make sure it's on silent.
If you don't have it on silent, you're going to come up here because the price will be right and you're going to share your conversation with the rest of us.
Otherwise.
Put them on silent and if you have a call please take it out into the corridor, wait for the door to close.
Otherwise we hear all of your conversations as these meetings go on.
We're going to have a great vibrant discourse together.
Everybody's opinion actually matters and we're here to listen to all of those opinions as your commissioners.
What we will not do is allow if you come up to the podium to turn around and point at someone, accuse someone you are more than welcome to come give your opinion to the county commissioners you are not welcome to attack people in the audience.
Okay so we're going to have a great discourse but we're going to have a civil discourse if you don't.
These fine officers in the back will escort you out.
Okay with that, mr.
Attorney, if you will please give everybody the information they need and swear everybody that will be speaking in.
>> okay.
Thank you, mr.
Chair.
So as the chair said, the first three items will be the development review committee request.
I don't speak any of you except the property owners are here for those items.
They usually go pretty quickly .
We have two items on consent the consent agenda is tems as to which before today we have not received any letters of objection.
In a moment.
When I'm finished with my little talk here.
The grow services irector will read off the two items on consent if you're here today and do have an objection and you haven't previously had an opportunity to voice that when he reads the items off.
Raise your hand and we will move those items either one of them on to the next category which is the category of items for individual consideration.
If nobody has any objection or question about the two items on consent, the board will make a single motion at and approve both of those at one time.
>> even if you just have a question about something on consent, if you just have a question raise your hand.
We'll try to address that question right away and see if that resolves your issue.
Then we get into the item 15.3 which is the items that almost all of you are here for and these are the items for individual consideration and for the land use law.
We have two main categories of activities that the board of county commissioners deals with.
The most important category is comprehensive land use planning state of florida and florida courts have called the comprehensive plan the land use constitution for the state of florida when the board is dealing with comprehensive plan issues
they are acting in a legislative policymaking function and they have broad discretion in the decisions they can make about that.
The chairman indicated that we're where you have a forum where you can express a your opinions and actually the opinions are more relevant when we're dealing with policymaking functions.
In contrast to that.
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we're dealing with policymaking functions. As it turns out today on this particular agenda, none of the items here today are comprehensive plan amendments.
All of the items are what we call quasi judicial proceedings and that means they're either rezonings or special use permits and the rezoning include applications for a planned unit development which is a specific type of rezoning .
The issue for special use permits and planning developments is there are three three criteria that are most important.
Number one, all of these applications have to be consistent with the future land use map in our comprehensive plan.
For instance, if someone was coming in for some kind of intense commercial development in a rezoning but he comprehensive plan for that property said it was for agricultural or rural property it would be inconsistent and would not be allowed.
I don't think we have that situation here today.
So the first item is is the application consistent with the cob plan?
Second item is is the item in the public interest and now this is an area where the board really engages in quite a bit of balancing of different interests between the interests of the public at large.
Obviously the board is elected by the electors f marion county so the board has to consider the interests of the public at large.
But at the same time the board also has to balance the interest and concerns of the public at large with the property rights of the property owner and or developer who is making the application and property rights have constitutional protections
in in america and in the state of oregon.
And so the board is always concerned about both of those factors when balancing considerations of whether something is or is not in the public interest.
And then finally we have the issue of whether or not the application is compatible with the surrounding property.
>> the unique thing about special use permits and planning developments as opposed to a regular rezoning is that both the special use permit and the planning unit developments allow the board to impose certain specific conditions on that particular
project.
One of the most important goals of those conditions is to provide for enhancing the compatibility of the application with the surrounding property and when the application comes up the applicant or our staff will read out the conditions that
are recommended if the board is going to approve that item.
If you are here not upporting the item but if you're opposed to it listen carefully to the conditions that are being recommended.
If there's some reason that you believe some additional condition or more stringent conditions should be imposed imposed as part of your statement to the board, you're free to recommend omething in addition to what staff has already listed in
the application materials and the board has the discretion to evaluate that when it comes to their deliberation the order of presentation is that generally speaking the staff will introduce the item then we will invite the applicant up to provide
more specific information about why they're asking for what they're asking for, what the project will entail and so forth.
After we finish the staff presents ation and the individual applicant's presentation then we open the hearing up to comments from the public and we have two podiums and particularly with an enthusiastic crowd like we have today we encourage
people that want to speak to utilize both of these podiums and so what does that mean?
We recommend that a couple of people kind of line up on the wall not candy but a couple of people and kind of wait your turn behind the podium so that as soon as someone speaks at this podium we usually go to that one but then you'll be moving
up to this podium so that you can be ready to speak so that we can keep the proceedings moving along steadily.
>> the chair indicated that I would make some reference to the super bowl and many of you have heard that before about four or the people speaking either in favor or against the application.
You have a two minute time limit.
Some people may think well that's that doesn't sound fair because we do allow the applicant to pend more time.
>> of course the applicant.
All right.
Come on down.
Spend a lot more money.
We're bringing to apply for the application.
No, no takers.
The super bowl silence the super bowl analogy is that I think in the most recent super bowl the advertisements or a 32nd ad were going like $7 million for a 32nd ad and somehow they get their point across in 30s.
So I'm sure if you work your real hard you can get your point across in two minutes.
The main point all kidding aside is make sure you you get your most important point out first whatever it is and it should be factual information not not opinion in the sense of well we have 50 people here and we're all against this that kind
of opinion legally is not something the board can rely on.
The board has o make its decision based on what the courts call competent substantial evidence.
That's fact based evidence.
If you have specific concerns about traffic or you know, environmental issues or whatever it might be but it shouldn't just be that I don't like it if you're here in opposition to one of these applications and also on that point just like if
we were in a court of law downtown generally speaking the courts don't allow what they call repetitive evidence.
They don't allow ten people to say the same testimony over and over again.
So if you're here and someone in front of you has already spoken the same concerns you have, there is no reason to get up and say the same thing again .
I'm not trying to discourage anyone who wants to speak from saying that but but again try to bring new information to the board.
If somebody as already said something you have in mind getting back to the final item I indicated that the board's decision has to be based on competence substantial evidence.
And so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and everyone who even thinks you
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and so with that in mind, I'm going to ask anyone and may speak today stand up and- I'm going to in mass place you all under oath so that we can get the oath out of the way at one time.
>> and if you will raise your right hand and repeat after me I solemnly swear or affirm the testimony I will give today will be the truth and nothing but the truth under penalty of all.
>> thank you.
Be seated.
Mr.
Chair.
Thank you, sir.
>> all right.
First up, we have a couple of waivers.
>> want to tackle those first?
So if I have one 1 in 5.
>> one two.
Sir.
Good afternoon, commissioners.
Cuck varian, director of group services.
I'm going to get us started today with item 15.1.
Point one as noted that was a that is a buffer waiver request and if we could pull up the screens this was a buffer waiver request that was denied by the drc january 5th, 2026 and they're appealing the drc decision just to get us oriented a
ittle bit.
This kind of pinkish box is the location.
This is like we're high school so it's a little south of there of southeast mary camp and right next door to the silver springs shores vfw it is does have a commercial land use and it does have a two zoning sorry it's not one to here we go all
right.
Looking at the zoning and the buffer requirements, it does this is sorry this is the subject property aerial view.
So it is commercial zone to eg to the east which requires a type d buffer by the code that's 15ft wide and with a six foot wall to the south is residential zoning.
So commercial to residential requires a b-type buffer which is a 20 foot wide landscaping and a six foot wall.
They are requesting to waive the wall requirement completely so not been an offense or anything but nstead provide an enhanced buffer.
There is some visuals of that drc just to be brief knowing the agenda we did recommend to do a precast masonry wall we did not see any visuals at that time.
One of the concerns from staff and this is their site plan they are doing a retail store I believe it's going to be a dollar general store.
One of the concerns from staff is with enhanced buffers.
They'll look good initially but a lot of times especially with some of these dollar generals we've had a number of code cases where for whatever reason if they turn off the water the vegetation dies off.
So from a staff perspective our concern would be the long term maintenance of the enhanced buffer was good.
This is their landscape plan and that's a picture of their enhanced buffer applicant here no yes.
Okay.
>> yes I'm on a first in the back
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>> I need our name and address for the record.
My name is lindsey klein.
Address james 4656 ellis park avenue charleston, south carolina.
>> okay.
And your six, five six also.
Okay.
Okay with that madam clerk okay.
Thank you, bn I mean we kind of just wanted to be able to dive into this a little bit more.
The drc comments that we got all recommended approval we didn't receive any comments from them besides presenting a rendering for you all here.
>> so that's kind of what we're here to do and I believe drc denied your request correct and then they pushed it to here but we didn't receive any comments besides drc or recommended approval so that's where we were unsure they didn't recommend
approval so it was so drc with these kinds of requests for the board's direction with these walls we deny it and then will this I think what she's referring to is staff like maybe susan hand I'm guessing in her review recommended approval from
a a landscape architect perspective.
>> okay.
Anyway, just so you're clear your request got denied and sent us to make the decision.
>> okay.
Okay.
I was just we didn't receive like specific comments is all I'm saying about what we could have changed to get this to be approved.
But basically the point is to keep the esthetic of this area the same and ot include a six foot wall on both sides where we feel hat the landscape and agricultural feel of this area is more prevalent than a six foot wall.
But what are you going to do with that?
So just for curiosity, what are you going to do with the store to make it fit into this community?
>> I mean I feel like the store itself fits in the community with the way that it is built.
I mean it's really it's it serves the community in the neighborhood.
That's the whole intention of it.
But I think that the landscaping here would look reduces the amount of concrete in the area at least I understand.
Anything else?
>> okay.
We'll bring it back to the board commissioners.
>> any questions?
Mr.
Chair, I'm going to make a motion for denial.
We have we have standards in place for a reason.
You've got residential to the south.
You've got agricultural to the east.
We put those standards in place to protect hose neighbors.
When you come in your what you're oing to do the business you're going to put there is going to be a disruption to that residential neighbor to the south of you.
And so we have these standards in place for that reason.
So with that I recommend and I'll have a motion by commissioner bryant okay.
>> second by commissioner curry all those in favor of kind of comment?
Sure commissioners, I don't I appreciate what walls do as far as buffers and protecting neighbors and things like that but I hate putting up concrete in the middle of nowhere especially six foot high concrete all over the place.
I felt like there was another way we could have gotten here with a with a maybe a fence or something else that was that's better than just throwing up concrete in the middle of summer springs when there's nothing else on that.
>> it's not silver springs shores yeah.
On that silver spring shores when there's nothing else on mary camp that has these walls if it's if it is a dollar general there's another dollar general right down the road that doesn't have that that doesn't have this either.
>> so I'm against throwing up concrete all over the place right now but it's there with all due respect, I understand no worries.
But it's their job to give us an alternative plan.
They provided none except more trees, right?
I mean o we've done this all the time.
The commissioner where we asked the person to do something else so well but that's the problem is we're not holding people to the standards that we've set and in 20 years as that area develops and it will because there's going to be more development
in there, you're going to see more waivers and then you're going to end up with people who have these businesses abutting their residential properties and they have no protection from the business activity that's going on in those properties
and that wall is there for sound abatement for vehicles coming in and out.
I mean if you look at the way that this residential property abuts that commercial property you're going to have headlights coming right into it.
And so I think as a protection to the person that's already there, we owe them that to stick to the standards we put in place.
>> and I and I've been against those standards as I know because you don't like that because I think there's a better way we can do this with vegetation or an opaque fence or something else that's not okay.
>> fences are terrible and they look terrible after so long and they fall down in vegetation unless it's well taken care of.
It does not provide the protection for the residents fom the business going in there and that's one of the things we need to work on in our code is to have a little bit of flexibility but then also have long term maintenance of landscaping because
that's what happens, right?
Is that they put it in and they plant it and then they don't irrigate it or they get in there and then they shut off the irrigation and the fertilizer and they don't take care of it for the first five years and then all of a sudden I mean no
disrespect but there's $3 general on my way home and they all put them all in and almost all of the vegetation is is is destroyed.
The one closest to my house the opaque fence is laying on its side.
So yeah, I'm not in favor of anyway so e have a motion by commissioner bryant denial and seconded by commissioner curry all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passes unanimous I'm sorry that passes 4 to 1 with commissioner
mcclain dissenting yes or sorry about that.
>> all right.
415 one two.
Thank you mr.
Chair.
>> could I just verify a precast wall though is also available for just making sure that they understood that?
Yep.
Our staff can give you those indications as well.
All right, tony, I want to put in one two.
>> sorry.
Good afternoon, mr.
Chair.
Commissioners, my name is tony cunningham.
I serve in the role as a utility director here in marion county.
We had a project that came before the development review committee on december 15th.
That project was denied or the waiver request for that project was denied and so they appealed that and we're here today to have a further discussion on that project 15.12 and 15.13 are both are ones water and one sewer.
>> so I'm going to kind of talk about them together.
Okay, good.
We're going to take them up to you.
>> all right.
How do you want to go so this project is located in I'll zoom out in my in my head in words so you can see it not not on the map itself.
So this project is located north of ocala south of 20 six about midway between and the midway between I-75 and 441.
It's in the urban growth boundary but it's in an area where we don't have our utilities water and sewer utilities located city of ocala has utilities that are further south.
>> they're not near it as well.
So typically I come before you and there's usually a request because of connection distance this is not about connection distance so there they are outside of connection distance.
What our code says is if you have a project that's like a multi family project or a commercial project that's outside of connection distance then they're required to construct a decentralized water system, a ecentralized wastewater system package
plants package plants.
The waiver is a request to a waiver from that so the applicant in lieu of that and the applicants here or the representative is here help come up in a second because we've met several times since the since the drc meeting on december 17th.
So they're looking for a waiver from that.
It's a it's a rather small site.
They're trying to put six buildings which consist of 12 duplexes on that site.
And so I think what his what he'll talk about I won't put words in his model let him do his thing but we'll be that there's not enough room and there's a quite an expense to putting those package plants tony from from our notes here it says
12 duplex units is that like 12 buildings or 12 unix buildings with 12 you okay thank you and so so again his waiver request is from that from our perspective what we have to think about is several things.
So one is the desire in the future if utilities are in this area for them to connect to the central are centralized utilities.
We don't have any plans right now.
There aren't any developments that are about to extend the bunch of water and sewer in the area so we don't know the timing of that in the future.
And the other thing we have to think about is just our our natural resources of water and the impacts of putting in non decentralized or centralized water or sewer in the area.
And so from both of those reasons my recommendation would be to continue to enforce our code and have what's in the code in there and I'm here to go into more detail and answer questions as mr.
Ratcliffe I think will represent the applicant and provide some perspective as well.
>> let me just verify because you know we deal with this somewhat but not all he time as more of the connection issue.
So if they were to put in a water we'd have one central connection at least going into the project that in the future some utility connect to same thing on the sewer side right you have one connection that you could take a package plant offline.
Yes.
Otherwise you get six different units if you do it the other way possibly.
What else is the benefit of the package plant that we need to be aware of?
>> the other benefits would be just more requirements are monitoring requirements they're meeting more as opposed to just a well or a septic tank or meeting certain monitoring requirements and the quality because you're providing you're not
just doing a single family home with a well, you're providing it to a development units and different owners.
So I think it's those those monitoring requirements on a wastewater side they'd have to treat to a higher level to meet I think it's ten I think it'll be ten parts per million would be the package plant for the treat the 90% you could roughly
say around 90% yeah but you have to treat to limit that then you are then sampling and making sure you're below going into the future.
>> all right.
Any other questions for staff commissioners?
All right, mr.
Ratcliffe.
Good afternoon.
>> afternoon commissioners mike radcliffe radcliffe engineering 2611 outh east lake weir avenue ocala.
>> I would actually echo what tony has said so far as far as being correct in actual factual.
We have met several times trying to figure out how to a solution to this project because it just seems to fall into all the cracks regulatory and size.
It is a very small low flow project.
The six duplexes total of 12 units I did submit and I intended or assumed that it would be part of the submittal package but it as not in the packet.
Thank you.
>> so in showing how the site the site lays out it is a it is a small site.
So one of the difficulties of a decentralized system is that dep regulates that they usually regulated it and you put this on hold on one second mr.
Ratcliffe we just need to make sure that everybody gets to see the same thing.
Sure.
>> tony can you make sure this gets on the screen?
Give us one moment, sir
.
>> perfect.
Go ahead.
A very fine.
So the connection distance where is required 30 840ft where 7000 you may see 10,000 as one number on my particular plan.
But this was created before the latest site distance was uploaded by him in marion county utilities which was around 7000 both for water and sewer.
>> but those numbers are exorbitant half $1 million for water and 700,000 for sewer for 12 duplex units is quite
exorbitant half $1 million for water and 700,000 for sewer for 12 duplex units is quite-
exorbitant half $1 million for water and 700,000 for sewer for unreasonable.ts is quite- so back to the decentralized system typically that is the package plant which I wouldn't say they're necessarily out of style but they're not the greatest
thing going.
They're regulated by dep usually they're starting gallons per day for that is 5000 gallons per day.
The setbacks on those basically wipe out the entire site, the setbacks and the disposal system to meet the actual wwt of package plant standards are extreme for this site so we're proposing other types another type of decentralized system and
in the simplest form separate tanks our decentralized system according to department of health but we're not we're not proposing that we go with a standard septic tank.
There's there's two and I'm glad tony linked them together for the water and the sewer if we re regulated by the fda.
>> yep.
>> well it has a 200 foot radius for our 2400 gallons per day so under the way the package plant limit for dep we for the well it has a 200 foot radius which wipes out most of the development.
So what we're proposing for the well are to limited use department of department of health wells they are constructed to the same standard with grouting as a dep well but it's just not regulated by dep.
I ave talked to evan searcy with the department of health and it could be permitted permitted with two wells and they would have 100 foot radiuses which would allow the the the sewer systems to operate it.
Mr.
Ratcliffe is one well going to is going to service all ix units it would be two but they would be next to each other.
They would service all six units okay and they will be connected they would they would provide ndividual services to each unit as would be a future marion county requirement so it could be metered and it would be right next to the highway.
>> so connection could be easily made in the future.
>> we have said that e would connect at such time as as water becomes available and sewer and sewer yes we on our on our site plan we've shown where the piping would go for the sewer future sewer connection it would go we would go ahead and
build it all the way out to the road and cap it and just wait until sewer became available.
>> mr.
Ratcliffe, mr.
Stone has a question for you.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you for the map that you've provided, mr.
Ratcliffe can you tell me about the project itself?
Is this going to be affordable?
>> okay.
Okay.
Well tony, it is such a good job of introducing it.
I'd kind of jump right into the details but I did have some information about that.
It is supposed to be or proposed to be affordable housing there duplexes the market is very tight in in marion county s you know for reasonable housing and there's not too many residential areas sorry residents for projects going into this area
and it is in kendrick essentially it's in the so when you say affordable housing, can you give me a dollar value of what those rents are going to okay okay the rents would be 1400 or $1500 which is based on the cost of development.
I would as an aside or just further information let you know that all the other landscaping requirements buffer requirements, fencing and those sort of things have been met.
Drainage on the site and fire fire requirements how big are these units going to be?
>> pardon how big are these units going to be?
>> I believe they're about 900ft2.
>> okay.
So with all due respect that is not affordable.
So not that much standing right housing or more for that square footage and you're bringing in $18,000 a month at $1,500 per unit with 12 units.
>> you can't afford to do it.
You need to rent and I understand it's not and but it is not subsidized housing.
Some of that is much more is more affordable.
>> this is not subsidized housing so yes, so curry mr.
Griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this location?
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this location?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> ation?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> uh, n?-
griffin, what is what's the cost of a package plan for this >> uh, it's in the hundreds of thousands.
I used to design them 20 years ago but I probably haven't designed 1 in 20 years and for this size it was two $300,000.
>> then the disposal puzzle takes up quite a bit of area whether you can't you could get it approved for a spray feel which takes up a lot more area than percolation ponds but you know that just doesn't have enough room to fit.
I do have some information on what we're proposing if I could go ahead and continue.
>> yes, sir.
>> that the answer your question.
Yeah, I'll follow.
Okay.
So what we're proposing is a and you know I in rb which is in ground nitrogen reducing bio filter and I do realize it's and which is a septic tank with enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin management action plan and
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin management action plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another nt action plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack ion plan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that lan and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that it and-
enhanced drain field treatment it is in the b map area basin another crack that it kind of falls in is the under the beam out regulations beginning june 1st 2023 lots less than one acre requires 65% nitrogen reduction or over an acre.
It doesn't qualify for that but beginning june 1st, 20, 34 years from now all our lots would require 65% nitrogen reduction and for a comparison, conventional septic systems only remove about 25 to 30% nitrogen and ground nitrogen reducing by
filter does remove 65% nitrogen.
>> so we would be meeting the requirement that's going to come into effect in 20.
>> mr.
Chair all right.
Those are all current.
>> I mean that's basically almost current code we're doing that, correct?
Correct.
Right.
>> that's what I'm doing.
That's yeah, that was my point.
So the code or the code is coming.
We will be meeting the 65% nitrogen at that that would be about $4,500 a unit $54,000 there there also advanced treatment units are appropriate treatment units or just distributed wastewater treatment systems which offer up to 80% 80% reduction.
Those are almost double in cost little over double only $350 per unit for that.
Those also have more mechanical parts and pumps, that sort of thing that that could fail in about a $6,000 per year operating cost.
So that's those are the the the difference in costs.
>> so we are requesting in lieu of a wastewater treatment plant to use the I in rb and also the two limited use wells otherwise the radiuses and the setbacks pretty much wipe out the project I think we understand that right brian had a question
for you how big are the I mean we know how big they are square footage how many bedrooms are these units going to be two bedroom or two bedrooms for staff or I'm just thinking about this morning when we had our l have a plan that we approved
this morning and I made specific notes that we have rental new construction and acquisition and rehabilitation at the 250,000 per unit available through community services.
We desperately need some true affordable housing.
We've approved a lot of market rate housing, multifamily, single family and I really think this may be before its time because it doesn't have the the lines that you need to develop this that you would have to do the well in the septic right
and they right and they would be temporary we're going to put in the piping so that we can connect as well.
>> if you told me you doing affordable housing I'd lean more into making that exception .
But I hear what your plan is or what your applicant's plan is for that though I think I'm going to pause on this one today and I'm sorry I didn't catch the program that you were talking about.
>> we have assistance through our community development excuse me community services.
>> okay.
>> and there are dollars available to help developers truly do true affordable housing.
That means it's going to be based on a sliding scale.
However much that applet or the the person renting that property makes and it's a sliding scale based on that household income that's the type of housing we need and that's the type of housing I'd be more inclined to want to make exceptions
for especially for multifamily housing at this juncture in the urban growth boundary.
Mr.
Stone mr.
Curry tony, yes.
How temporary is this going to be?
>> yeah, I think we just we just don't know.
So we don't have utility has no plans to extend facilities into this so it would be driven by other growth that would be extending years of you know things in here this is in the urban growth boundary but we aren't seeing significant amount
of activity here that we're seeing in other places and from the cost standpoint, the the package plan would be just for storage.
>> yes, the water would be in addition.
Yes, sir.
>> so just so so that would be $25,000 a year unit 300,000.
So the enhanced septic is what ?
>> well, 15,000 per unit is 40 55.
Right.
Per unit that's the enhanced septic with it because they're not it's not a 80 years not anaerobic treatment unit and mr.
Radcliffe it's not one for each unit, right?
>> correct.
>> right.
That's it.
Right.
It would be one for two units.
>> all right.
Let me tell you my concern that I understand the cracks through your hand.
Right.
But you know, we've just spent over $40 million of arpa money and other money to try to put water and septic and silver spring shores and we keep going out and and making these accommodations to put more holes in the ground when we're trying
to cover them up.
>> and the thing that's always bothered me about the well aspect is that nobody is keeping up with that usage with that water t just seems like we keep working against that's correct.
Right?
Correct.
But there they're going to be using about 200 gallons per day so they know about how much water they're going to be using, whether it's regulated by that limited use ell or the the p well or if it's connected to the central water system and
which will eventually get better get there and we certainly would would like to have that there it's much easier to connect and just pay the pay the connection fees so and we we pay in the connection fees at a future point whenever it does connect
so about the 45 hundred dollars debt yes and that's for one duplex or two unit is for $4,500 per unit not thousand per duplex.
Okay.
Right.
And then the upper the higher level of treatment which was but certainly I guess in today's regulation and some of the regulations are still being developed for a decentralized system would be he itu.
>> yeah and the distributed waste now that would fit also double the cost but probably wouldn't kill the project.
>> thank you mr.
Radcliffe.
Mr.
Echo, I'm going o bring this back to the board.
We need to we need to move on.
Okay.
Sorry, ma'am.
Thank you for your time, sir.
So commissioners, I think here's the simple thing they're going to sign two agreements to say hey, if you run the utilities, whether it's water and sewer that they're going to automatically connect.
So that is a plus if we want to give a waiver of sorts to the septic tank systems, I think what we should do is like what we've done in the past and put our performance based standard on it.
So we would say hey mike, if you want to make this work some other way you still need to make meet the 90% criteria in mr.
Chair before you keep going, let me just jump on out there and say I make a motion to uphold the trustees action to deny the waiver request and I'm going to second that.
>> I think that that's too intense of a use on that property right there.
I understand that it has our three zoning but they are trying to cram 12 duplexes on an acre and a half six no it's 12 units six duplexes 12 units that's 40 eight people on an acre and a half on septic tanks when we have been working hard to
make sure that that doesn't happen.
And if you look at the surrounding area, it's certainly I know it has the zoning but it doesn't match the homes that are around it that are single family residential homes on acre lots.
So for me I'm going to be in no at this time so that a second that's a second might be a third.
>> all right have a motion by commissioners no motion by commissioner stone second by commissioner bryant a question of discussion.
I see none.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed sorry mr.
Radcliffe that that's denied.
>> thank ou for both of them.
15 one two and 15 one three.
All right, let's get into our consent agenda
.
>> good afternoon, commissioners.
Chuck very and again charter growth services if we could bring up the map or sorry the screen so the community can see the map.
So I'm going to go through the two consent items and we'll hopefully the community can follow along and see where these are at.
So the first one is item 15.2.
Point one.
This is case number 26 0201 issue for seeing okay nine a llc as well as christina sanders and charles kent wall they're requesting a special use permit to allow three things outdoor torage and sales of propane to up to five 53 foot trailers
to store hay and three a saturday farmer's market from 9 a.m.
To 2 p.m.
In a community business be to zone it's an 8.58 acre parcel parcel account number is 18 01-000a-001 site address is 4860 as well as 4880 and 4900 us highway 41 in dunellen this is this was a result of a court case.
It was self generated case so there's no opposition to this at the moment storage in trailers so pull it all to be heard individually okay.
The next one is 15.2.
Point two case number 26 0206 zc mike kirby in amber kirby and roberta peyton is a zoning change from general culture a-1 to single family dwelling are one zone for all permitted uses.
It's a little over four acre portion of a 6.23 acre parcel.
The parcel account number is 30 9279-010-00 so that address is 80 107 and 8111 east highway 25 belleview, florida 34420.
They're requesting a to rezone the whole property to r one so they can put two single family dwellings on it and they did sign an affidavit saying that they would remove the mobile home that's currently on the site within 60 days if those owners
approved.
Those are for your consideration commissioners 15 to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any issues with any of these I
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to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think with any of these I-
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to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll f these I-
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to 2 or good with anyone in the public have any items or any think then we'll bring it back to the board of approval if you guys want move approval 15 to 2 I moved section move 15 to 2 by commissioner mcclain second by commissioner bryant.
>> all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes unanimously.
>> hey can't let's just take a look at 15 to 1.
Can we just I don't mind.
>> I love the farmer's market.
I love all the other stuff but I hate these these tractor broken down tractor trailer sitting out there or 20 years and I understand that is actually one of the the items that we are excuse me kenneth gregg services item number 260201 issue
that is one of the things that we had a discussion with the applicants about there are unsightly one of the things there's two alternatives one in the temporary staff requested to install a custom head on the north or excuse me the south side
of the property where there's a direct visual buffer between the residences that do have a line of sight with them.
The intent of the applicant is actually to install a drive through metal building to dispense of those at some point in the future although that time has not been illustrated or delineated and it was not a recommendation by staff, it is not
an intent to have this term.
Is there a long term other than delivery instead to be replaced by storage f that metal building at some point in time?
So that could be something that the board could recommend to use.
>> let's just get rid of that and put the I mean if if we can get three votes but rather than do some kind of metal building or a lean to or something else like that meets the standard, those trailers are just we did not mr.
Chairman we never we never discussed any kind of timeline .
Would you mind if I actually brought the applicant ups or we yes, we have to remember they are excellent.
>> come on down.
>> they can probably give us some remedy quicker.
Hello my name's can't all 6650 southeast u.s.
Highway 41 morrison florida north for we are the owners of the feed store it is a feed store and trailers are part of the feed store that's where we store a so in you have had no complaints have you been out there and seen them?
Yeah I've seen them all.
They're all over marion county.
Okay but have you seen our property where it's at.
Yeah.
Yes okay well that's what I was we could do anything but that's that's part of our business.
That's part of our business for this community is people who need their hay.
They need their feed.
Yes, they're all over.
But we are essential to our area and that's part of it and nobody's complained about it.
Nobody said anything or is ruining the looks of anything.
>> that was just your opinion?
Yes, sir.
It is my yeah and but if you would like I mean if you want me to paint them but there's no I don't I don't see the big problem with it in there we have discussed I probably even need more but we have discussed with him about wo the five there
and then in the future we are wanting to try to build a bigger building so it all can go in there but we got to understand that these trailers people will come in and drop the hay off and then when we sell it then they come back and pick it
up and replace it with another trailer to just not just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field.
>> I am christina sanders 6650
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. >> I am christina sanders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast ristina sanders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri anders 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri 41 ers 6650-
just junkies trailers sitting out in the middle of the field. Southeast missouri 41 marston0- florida we have just discussed with them visually about putting something different there and these railers can be moved and we can get something more
of a better eye appeal to replace the hay that's in them or or whatever you suggest for us to do.
>> so we don't have a problem with helping you.
I like what you guys are doing.
I love it.
I just these trailers in the practice that they use or yeah it's just terrible.
>> so if we can figure out a different way to do it but they don't have the they don't have the current right to have those trailers, they're not on the beach, you know.
>> right.
So you don't have the right my opinion.
Yes, absolutely because you don't have the right to have them there so I think you need to make it as unsightly as possible.
>> you know, understand that that's what we're trying to make mr.
And mr.
Chair, I just want to verify so people load that hay up, bring it to you, leave the trailer taken they went out that that's the business model that it's operating with.
>> but the bottom line is is that there's always a set of trailers but hat's what the special use I mean for them yeah I live out you get it an area where I see that often I mean that that's them on so hold on a second this happens to be in
my district I have never not one time gotten an email or a phone call from a constituent complaining about this business.
>> they've come in, they've self-reported.
They're trying to make it right .
>> I don't think that we need to make it harder on them.
We can just plant the heads though, right?
Like our staff is there and like I do, I'm willing to do whatever you want us to do to increase the line of sight.
>> that's what I'm sure you're willing to do that you willing to do whatever whatever you'd like us to do, make sure it's as was mentioned before this was a self generated case of of course we're not agents are officer maureen bennett actually
located this area.
There were a few other things that we noticed in the area upon site visits they've immediately corrected these these issues if we have a screen up please.
This was a temporary fix as far as staff was concerned.
The the trailers are located in a revetment on the southern portion of the property.
This location the residences are located around this corner.
This is heavily wooded.
The temporary fix that we were suggesting was all a customer by burnham hedge that would come up on the north side of this small parcel which is a lip station and then across the southern face of their parcel until uch time as they were able
to have a permanent building installed and that's in the permit.
It is, yes, sir.
We're going to go hold on.
Can you bring me up a picture of the view along that side there that you're talking about having them a lie by burnham hedge and we've got some others located right here down in the lower left corner.
Okay.
>> and you're seeing that from that is the first home that's the driveway of the first time we're right out in front of it at that location you're out in front of the driveway of the first home.
The driveway is just down to the bottom.
You can see it right there right in front of the hedge.
But I'm in front of the home when I was taking that photo there's a series of homes that are extending from north to south that go up the street.
Yes, ma'am.
They're not working up to it.
>> that's correct.
Away from the property and so is it as their view is their view that or only when they're coming out of the driveway is going down the driveway the first two homes probably the first permit I actually walked up on to the sidewalk near one of
the homes.
The first two homes have a visual line of sight to this.
The rest of the homes do not appear in their yard and as I mentioned before, staff recommended we feel like custom edge and started that location would completely stop ny kind of line of sight to those trailers from that location.
>> okay.
All right then.
Yes, sir.
This note to two of the people who live on that road or my drivers that leave their truck or at their place.
So it ain't like they're not used to seeing trailers.
How long have you been there?
Yeah,we have motion for a year and we're planning second by commission.
So all those in favor signify by saying I opposed that passed unanimously.
Thank you for taking care of that.
Thank you.
>> thank you.
All right.
>> wow.
You need to relax.
You had too much caffeine on lunch.
>> well, he gave it to me.
He gave it and it's been going on for a while, huh?
All right.
And lord, lord have mercy.
>> good afternoon.
Kathleen bagnoli growth services this is 25 050 to asu.
This is fish hawk distillery.
This is coming back before you as the six month update.
>> so I'm just kind of as a refresher this was a special use permit to allow for an artisanal micro distillery and an a-1 zoning classification.
The properties there's two parcels they are located in a rural land land use and general agriculture a-1 zone.
They're currently listed as I production with the marion county property appraisers.
As far as the two parcels that I just mentioned they are outside the urban growth boundary.
They're inside the primary springs protection zone.
They're part of westwood acas north subdivision initially the first as up for this was granted in 2012.
This is the concept plan provided over to the left is the western property currently vacant except for a storage a storage unit there that they're using for the business or for the distillery and then of course the parcel to the east is the
gift shop, the distillery itself and a couple of outbuildings just some site photos of the property.
>> so we initially posted t and this is our most recent posting for this meeting some of the buildings on site, the distillery this was the tasting room and then a couple more shots of the distillery itself .
>> so as far as the history again 2012 was initially the micro distillery at that time it was just the 280 square foot accessory building is essentially like a hobby.
There were no commercial sales on sites, no commercial traffic on site in 2015 they came back in for their renewal the same conditions.
So between 2015 and 2021 there were a number of buildings that were constructed.
Those were done without permitting and then sales started taking place on site.
They have that tasting room so commercial traffic was coming on site.
So at that time and 2021 they were giving an itemized list of things that they needed to do to bring that back into compliance.
That permit expired as of may 2025 and then that's kind of bringing us up to date here 2025 they came in or their renewal.
It was to be heard in may.
We gave them a little bit more time to try to get things finalized.
Came before you in august and then at that time they were granted the six month period in which to have one of two things happen which we'll get into in a moment.
Of course we had those list of concerns at the time staff recommended denial planning and zoning recommended denial and that brought us to the six months.
>> so as of today as of this meeting we did each out and we spoke to mr.
Pheno.
We had a phone call with him and I believe it was the ceo for fish hawk was also on the call just asking them what the two conditions that were provided were.
Option number one, bring the site into compliance, get that site plan approval, get those building permits, get everything up to code.
The other option that was provided back in august by the board was to find an alternative location that perhaps worked better for the distillery to move to.
So during the food conference we did discuss those two options and what had happened with both of them as of today there's no site plan review in process and there's none approved.
There are also no building permits that have been pulled.
So we did ask why that was.
We were told that the process itself was cost prohibitive just for needing to do things like reach out to have an engineer provide a site plan the cost of building permits.
So they said that the that option was cost prohibitive and then option two they said that they did look for some alternative locations but they did not find anything that would match the needs of the distillery for present or future.
So currently either of those things have happened and that's where we are today.
Applicant here come on down.
Question for you yeah commissioner have we ever received any complaints about this location?
Yes at our last hearing I oh I'm sorry.
So in speaking yes people came up to speak but I don't think that we've had I don't recall any written opposition that we have received no formal complaints from neighbors or anything like that.
>> I don't believe so.
>> no.
No.
Only the gunman like some of the gunshots stuff and then the building permit?
No, the building permit is not issued.
>> right.
But not complaints from there.
Yeah.
The neighbors were here at our last hearing and they had come they had complaints and there were concerns.
>> okay.
All right.
Hey, guys.
Hey, how you doing?
Why did you have it done?
Joe for, you know, 19375 northwest highway 335 williston, florida three two again 19375 five northwest highway 335 williston 32696.
>> I am dr.
Molineaux.
I'm the ceo of fish hawk spirits 1102 mary water drive tampa, florida.
>> do either of you live on the property?
No, ma'am.
More.
Master distiller matthew bag damage does that was part of the original recipe.
I just want to give you a quick update so I'm trying to get close to the microphone.
First of all, thank you for your time.
I'm going to be extremely brief .
Thank you very much for the board and the previous boards that allowed us to operate for over 13 years here in marion county.
>> we're very appreciative that we've invested over $4.5 million into this business now in people equipment inventory and also into our brand itself .
>> we've been given six months.
We have exhausted all our opportunities to try to stir up some more capital to be able to renovate the site to meet the requirements that marion county has placed on us.
And you know, there there is nothing that we can do to bring it up to code right now with you know, the amount of money that it's going to require.
We've taken the suggestions of the board from last meeting to seek alternative locations and we're actually in negotiations right now with a couple of different distilleries and this is the plan that we are pursuing.
So it's going to take about 60 days for us to completely remove ourself from the premises, turn it back over to the landlord.
We already started ramping up production at the end of last year.
We've already laid off one of our staff members early this year we have another one that's put in his two week notice because he's pursuing other opportunities.
We have transfers and bonds n place.
That's part of that state and federal requirement for us to be able to transfer liquor off the site in a legal manner because it's got to be in a bonded area and bonded and transfer and I'm going to turn it over to dr.
Molineaux.
I'll answer any questions you guys have after he gets a chance to speak.
>> thank you.
And just reiterate what joe said.
Thank you very much for the opportunity and the years we've been here.
We have exhausted all possibilities.
The site itself doesn't lend itself to the type of business that we currently have.
We could modify the business and maybe continue to operate there but then we have other problems with buildings we built septic system e were told we got to pave from southwest 27th avenue.
It's almost a mile so it's $1 million a mile to pay for road.
These are just unreasonable requirements.
We can't do it again.
The building that we have will not be compliant.
Even if we brought in engineers we would have to tear it down and then rebuild the building.
Okay.
Very apologetic that we did not follow procedures and protocols.
We were working in an agricultural zone and we were a little craft company just trying to get and get our get ourselves going.
>> and as joe indicated, we've spent over $4 million on this business.
We've only had a few hundred thousand dollars in actual revenue when you look at it all said and done and there's just no possible way we can do anything there to meet the current building requirements that are placed on us.
So with that said, we've gone and tried to find other buildings in marion county, other locations that we could maybe move into make modifications.
We found nothing that's suitable in marion county so we are going to have to move the business out of marion county and he distilleries that we're working with right now to get this transfer and bond that joe was talking about will be outside
of marion county.
We are the last distillery left in marion county and I know you guys watch the news and the whiskey business is terrible right now the whole alcohol industry is just dying out and we're suffering from that and we don't have any choice but to
try to find some other location and work with another place to continue to have our 27 brands propagate throughout the united states.
S thank you very much.
We appreciate everything.
You have any questions for me or any comments from the audience?
>> mr.
Chair?
Any questions?
I have a question.
I mean I hate that it's come to this I mean you're a small craft business.
You grew out of an area and it's just unfortunate that you can't bring yourself into compliance and I hate that and especially that you have to take it outside of marion county.
How long is it going to take you to exit the property?
>> it's going to take us 60 days probably to get the alcohol and the equipment out and then probably another 30 days or so to move the other ancillary equipment.
We do have two lots there.
One of them is a leased lot.
>> the other one where our distiller lives and our facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the court on that we actually use
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the court on that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in rt on that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the n that we actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey e actually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we ctually use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make ly use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make so use-
facility is the one next to it is the lot that we grow the in the whiskey we make so we'll continue to own that lot and be able to do agricultural things like grow corn but clearly we can't make liquor on that site.
We can't pave a mile highway.
>> it's just inconceivable.
Yeah, I don't by the way I don't know that anyone is actually to pave a mile road.
>> I yeah actually it's it's in the documents that we were to pay from southwest 27th all the way up to the driveway five handicapped parking parking spots handicapped parking spots regular parking spots it just it's you don't do that in the
middle of a farm field so and there's lots of farms out here that on't have that understand but well, you're operating a commercial business in a residential area.
>> I mean I mean that's the problem.
Well, kathleen, it's impossible that you could pull up that one document that has the drc requirements that we were put under in order to be compliant.
>> it does it doesn't matter.
>> okay.
We just want to make sure that you can you know, at the end of the day we've we've tried to give you we've actually we've given you years to come into compliance with the building permits.
Yes, sir.
You have we have done everything we can.
You knew for years this process was coming.
Yes, sir.
And we don't want you to leave.
We don't want you to go.
But you have to come in compliance at some level.
So I understand you have to make a business decision whether to put money into the current property and bring it up to code or to go try to do something else and I respect the business but I just want to say I mean we have for years tried to
work with you because we love what you do.
Thank you.
You know and appreciate what you do.
And so but unfortunately we can't waive the building code for for any longer and that's kind of what got us to this point.
We try to give you time and time and time and time and unfortunately we've we've seen no progress and so we you know but we'll try to give you the 90 days after that you'll force our hand into code enforcement to actually start filing if that's
if that's up to the board to take public comment.
>> yeah.
Well no, I don't think so.
No.
Okay.
>> sorry.
Any anything else on your side?
I noticed we didn't the time to be able to make this move and make everything happen correctly because we have a lot of state and federal requirements besides the ones that exist in marion county with respect to alcohol production and distribution,
etc.
I mean I know we can grow corn but you know, I don't know what I'm going to do with it.
> okay.
Questions or comments?
Questions.
All right.
Anyone in the public want to speak?
Aren't seeing none.
>> we'll bring it back to the board for denial and give them 90 days to vacate and to shut the business down on enforcement.
>> yep.
Yep.
So madam commissioner, I mean would you be willing to add an additional 60 days?
I think 90 days is plenty.
>> he said he needs 60 days to get his alcohol and all the equipment off of there and then an additional 30 days.
>> so I think 90 days is plenty.
They knew this was coming.
I just would have been operating in a residential area for however many years and quite frankly I I'm not really appreciative of the fact that you made this sound like a marion county problem because it's not a marion county problem.
It's a you problem.
You set up a business in a residential area.
You operated this business where you shouldn't have been operating it and we told you time and time again look for alternative locations come into compliance and you didn't do it.
So you are here where you are at because of the decisions that were made by you, your management team, whomever.
>> so no, I'm good.
May I comment on hat?
Nope.
Okay.
Thank you, sir.
All right.
All those in favor signify by saying I got a second.
We had a motion by commissioner o'brien.
I thought you know, I ask if we could mr.
Curry a second have a motion by commissioner o'brien second by commissioner curry.
All those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passed unanimously.
Thank you.
>> thank you very much.
All right.
Next we have 1532 blue sky towers
.
>> we're getting closer and closer to food trucks and margaritaville and it's getting closer and closer to 5:00.
>> I guess that's about perfect, isn't it?
You know, I can work with grow services.
This is item number 15 .3.2 I think it is you know this is case number 260202 issued a special use permit request for a 225 foot tall telecommunication tower in a one general agriculture the location is est highway 40.
We'll get to it and property s ten acas.
We have sent out 35 letters and we received one letter of opposition which is why it's not on consent here you can see the location a little bit better.
It's west of 140th on the south side of the road over by rainbow park over just south of animal park.
Here's the land use.
You can see it's rural land which allows for one dwelling unit per ten acas and general agriculture zoning.
You look at the existing uses to the south there's mostly large lots that are agricultural production into te north is rural park which is a mixture of developed an undeveloped residential lots.
This is the proposed conceptual plan so they would have access coming off of highway 40 and then this second conceptual plan shows the fall radius within their leased area for the most part or think it goes outside a little bit right there but
on the fall radius would be within the developed within the parcel and at 225ft it would be required to have a light on top for faa purposes.
And the next map over here showing this will be read at night right?
>> yes, sir.
It would have to flash and we show that it right.
>> we do have a condition for shielding from the ground.
>> okay.
This is showing the distance to existing at&t towers.
There's a five miles 4.7 miles, 3.5 and 3.3 miles and we would have the current coverage for at&t.
As you can see right here the applicant is showing that there's a gap in service.
This is showing how that service would be covered.
Currently the site is wooded and undeveloped.
>> this is for two hundred 25 foot tower and a1 general agriculture.
>> it is allowed to be requested for special use permit at least space would be 30 600 square foot but an eight foot security fence around it and would be lit and staff is recommending approval.
What conditions we can go through the conditions if you would like but I believe the applicant is here for sure.
>> you have any questions of the commission's or the conditions applicant here from on now and an address for the record please.
>> good afternoon mary soul at 121 south orange avenue suite 1500 orlando, lorida I am the applicant and I'm legal counsel for blue sky towers.
Let's say to ramos with blue sky is with me here today we are in agreement with all of the conditions of approval.
We meet all of your code requirements.
Do you have any questions for me?
We don't need water.
We don't need sewer.
We don't have any trailers.
I think we're I think we have followed the letter of the law.
>> thank you, ma'am.
>> I'm glad that many attorneys have a sense of humor.
I do.
>> you have to have one.
So we appreciate that.
That's great.
Hey, by the way, we need one at&t tower just east of silver springs.
>> all right.
Okay.
Was it is on it it goes that every time we the people drive through there and our citizens complain if you can get it up and going, w'd appreciate it.
>> okay.
All right.
Any questions for I'd love a chance to respond to any citizens who yeah think we'll do that anyone in the public want to speak I this the only other question we had and just to make sure lighting right at night yeah consistent with faa yes thank
you any other questions or comments?
>> commissioners will take a motion.
Motion to approve a motion to approve by commissioner bryant second seconded by commissioner curry.
>> all in favor signify by saying I opposed think that passes unanimously.
>> thank you for doing everything you're supposed to do.
Can we all right before we go into this one.
>> all right.
Hey guys, we're going to we're going to be food trucks next man.
>> so we're going to take five minutes.
>> we're going to the restroom so we can buckle in for this exciting moment.
>> buckle in.
You like .
We're not playing again though, right?
We're just going.
Yeah.
All right.
>> gracious.
Obviously.
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to to bed we women to 1533 kick it off all right and we walk across services this is item 15 .3.3 is case number 260204 issued is a special use permit request for a permanent food truck park and b one
zoning on 2.02 acas.
The applicants are carla garcia and walter pimentel.
We have notified 47 folks that says here's opposition in the zero but that's not true.
We have a a petition with over 100 signatures on it from residents within the neighborhood to the north tropicana villas village.
>> these villas well see the village so the location here is on highway 44 just east of southeast 47th avenue.
There's a dollar general on the northeast quadrant and this is adjacent to the dollar general .
It s inside of the urban growth boundary just barely and the intended use is for a permanent food truck park with up to 24 food trucks.
But but here we can see the surrounding area.
There is commercial here to the west which is the dollar general and then to the south there's also a little bit of commercial to the north is the tropicana village residential community and into the west and south you have other residential
communities and to the far east over here and the belleview area is an industrial commercial park coming in future land use is commercial and the zoning is b one hich allows for restaurants but no drive thrus and everything must be completely
indoors and as it is intended to serve neighborhoods, here's some site photos.
This is the location the actual property here and this site this part this one right here is looking through north into the vacant parcel.
>> basically you can see the the dollar general here and then the gas station across the street.
Here's the proposed site plan originally the request was for 24 food trucks is the applicant did back it down to 21.
One key note here is anything above 15 food trucks would require a full traffic study a 15 food trucks and below is a traffic assessment and they are proposing 120 seats within the facility with a dining hall and permanent restrooms with parking
of 60 spaces and on the site plan here they're showing two two buffers the first one being 25 foot with a six foot vinyl fence and the second being another 25ft with a nother six foot vinyl fence.
One thing to note here is this site plan does not account for stormwater if approved they would need a place to put heir stormwater and it's likely that it would be pointers not working today very well likely would be in the buffer rea so that
needs to be taken into account if this is approved when it comes to access the applicant would like access here where there's an existing apron curb cut for on highway 44 however stuff does not like that access code they would need to come in
through on southeast fourth avenue come through the dollar general and through parallel access and enter the site that way.
One issue here this does not this this access does not meet the distance between access points for measurement and also you have the merge lane coming in from from belleview that is like right here at the end of the property and that would be
potentially a very dangerous access point.
Here's he site with the site plan on it showing the growing the access through dollar general when we compare this to other restaurants we're looking at a high turnover sit down restaurant.
They might get what 142 seats they get 55 peak hour trips in the evening fast food with a drive through with 103 seats but get 99.9 peak hour trips and then you can see here when we calculate the different food trucks at nine food trucks 5,
1592 and then at 0 food trucks you get 123 123 premium peak hour trips that's comparable to more of a fast food restaurant when you come nto the the pm peak hour trips when parking looking at the required parking staff broke it down to something
comparable to a food truck park like in osceola county which is right here they have for food for for parking spaces for the first vehicle and then two spaces for each additional vehicle beyond that .
And here a proposed 120 seats and of 20 food trucks they would need t least 42 parking spaces and they're offering 60 .
>> it is one when we look at utilities, the water sewer is about 1000ft away and they are within connection distance to the city of belleview central water and central waste sewer water, sewer lines.
The applicant I believe just not want to connect to centralized water sewer looking at planning principles within the rugby his would allow for a mix of land ses to create compact commercial areas and employment hubs that would strengthen and
direct development towards existing communities and foster distinct and communities.
That's what staff's analysis found.
So with that said we have found that it on its face it would not affect would not adversely affect a public interest.
It is consistent with a comprehensive plan and may e or would be compatible with the surrounding area.
We're recommending approval would conditions pnc had no recommendation they had a33 tie .
One of the limitations staff has is that the food trucks would be late we're sorry limited to 15 instead of the full 2020 or 24 and that we have hours of operation.
We have other conditions if you'd like to go through that.
>> the applicant is here if you'd like to talk to him and then of course any questions for staff if not the applicant here, come on down.
>> name and address for the record tell us your plan
.
Well, first of all, good afternoon, your honor.
Their honorary commission and everyone I showed up today.
>> believe it or not I am very thankful for everyone showing another name for the oh yeah, of course.
I'm orry.
I'm going ahead of myself here.
Walter five four, six, six.
>> blue azura drive.
Why mama?
Florida 33598.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, of course.
>> give us last name.
Last name pimental p I am ncl perfect.
>> thank you.
Yes, of course.
Yes, sir.
>> so what I do like about this proposal it is very open ended .
I'm open to anything really and I really do want to make a holistically comprehensive plan and development one that works for the surrounding communities, one that works for the greater region f course and of course one that follows health in
development code and all the governing bodies in our region.
Originally we had a proposal to have a playground for all the kids in the area and all of our visitors our ommunity behind us voiced their concern about noise after certain hour that playground was going to have a fence around it nd it was going
to be closed.
The fence and the playground itself 20 minutes before closing but in light and in lieu of what everyone has voiced like said, it is a very open ended project and I'm very open minded to everything and the concerns of our community.
We've gotten rid of the playground itself on top of that we've gone ahead and we've done two buffers to 25 foot buffers which I don't want to speak for everyone but that's that's a pretty big buffer and it's a total of 50 50 foot buffer approximately
14,000ft2 of buffer area and I'm proposing two different fences one at the 25 foot mark and one at a 50 foot mark as well.
We have brought down the the amount of proposed food trucks to 2024 could add traffic to the area.
So obviously we're very cautious like I said, we are down to 20 and ithin our market study and our business study 20 is what we need to operate within business sense and business bounds.
Like said we are a full operational we plan on being there for for a while for decades to come.
This is a heavy investment obviously not $24 million like the previous gentleman I'm just a kid that grew up in a low income family and worked his way up in the world and intend to keep it so it's about 600,000 as far as development costs go
and I mean for someone like me or someone like us that's pretty half the amount we are.
We know we understand that all of the conditions are public that would deter most developers and most entrepreneurs.
That's one we welcome.
Actually there probably can.
The reason we didn't run away from it is because we had good intention and we need to do well and we plan on being there for or decades to come like I said.
>> and of course the investment itself that's not monopoly money for us that's a real investment and down could drag us into the hole if we're not successful.
So having said that, we do have nothing but great intentions on being there for while and complying not just with the conditions but also with ongoing and rolling concerns for the community we intend on having an office which will be open to
the public and very accessible a lot of the members of our community behind us they have my phone number, they have my email.
I'm very accessible.
I'll be there all the time.
They can come and talk to me whenever any concern that I can take care of in the future I will do so in a comprehensive way the way I've been doing it so far it is of no that this project has a predecessor.
I don't talk negatively of anyone as a predecessor and we intend on picking that up and doing it the right way not taking a single shortcut.
We have not taken a shortcut.
This has been a very arduous, very tough and challenging process where we you know, it's a business but we have to meet all of the development and health codes and then of course we all have to meet in the middle and we've been doing this for
quite some time now.
Like I said, we're very formal and want to be there for quite a long time.
>> we will be employing about 7 or 8 employees that would be property management employees, maintenance crew and janitorial crew.
We intend on keeping the property clean all the time and really whenever we're open before we're open, after we're done with the day's operation, we intend to be in cleveland all at once.
We will we will have a management company taking care of the place, making sure we're always up to par with all the conditions that have been placed upon us.
>> with that being said, I do want to make a note that the hours of operation the proposed hours of operation are monday through thursday from 10 to 9 p.m., 10 a.m.
To 9 p.m.
And I did that because I know there's a retirement community behind us and they're retired and that is our sleep and in lieu of that I brought up the 10 a.m.
Opening hours monday through thursday 10 a.m.
At 9 p.m.
Friday and saturday 10 a.m.
To 9:30 p.m.
And then sunday 10 a.m.
To 8:30 p.m..
I think those are pretty comprehensive hours again as part of a holistic strategy of making sure that we take care of our community not just the whole region because I know the whole region is going to want to be there but our community as a
whole as well our surrounding community we will have ada compliant bathrooms two of them one for a gentleman, one for ladies.
We will have four handicapped parking spots with an aisle so that our community with special needs may enjoy our place as well.
Obviously we're going to have ramps around the dining hall, the bathrooms so that the whole place is accessible to everyone and we care very much about the flow and interface between our patrons and the place itself and I think we've done a
pretty good job of creating one that does that.
Having said that, our food vendors are to be inspected periodic periodically and actually I'm the one to impose this periodically by the health and fire department as mandated by applicable restaurant industry standards.
We will have a victorian era style they saw it victorian era style sidewalk lamp placed in front of every food vendor along the sidewalks an ornamental tree planted near each corner of the dining hall all of the different variety we want this
place to be different everywhere you look and unique in every angle 20 varied food
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want this place to be different everywhere you look and unique vendors and it is of no that we will be searching for american cuisine before we go abroad.
I'm one of the biggest patrons will ever be america first at all times and it's nothing personal but we will be looking for a new england coastal cuisine texas barbecue creative hamburger waste cuisine louisiana cajun cuisine pizzeria pennsylvania
dutch cuisine pastry and coffee shop.
>> and then of course we will start going abroad asian cuisine, mexican cuisine, caribbean cuisine, central and south american cuisine and european vendors among many others.
One of our main one of my main one of our main goals here is to be very varied have a lot of variety, make sure there's no too many of one thing because we want to place everyone in our region and we do have a special a few special considerations
in mind given the fact that I'm just here every day american I'm not a corporation.
I do not come from money.
I have worked my way up from a mobile home where ten of us live and that's where I come from.
So in lieu of that I would like to have the following special considerations we asked that we may have an initial in period of five years instead of three.
This is due to the time period it will take to permit, construct and finally open to our community and also due to the formal and sizable investment that we will make upon for development we asset in consideration of the 50 foot buffer and its
two line of fences one at the 25 foot mark and one at the 50 foot mark that we may be given a waiver for the mason wall.
It is of note that we are also proposing a chain link fence at the very front and sides of the whole compound for safekeeping and to be able to close the entry gate to public access 20 minutes before closing so that way we ensure that we are
following what we propose at all times.
It ill be like clockwork 20 minutes before closing time no one else will be allowed in, will be allowed in.
This is a one way driveway so the entry get will be closed 20 minutes before closing time and again those are pretty comprehensive and very limited hours but alas something that I'm willing to work with we ask that we are able to get the here's
the bill the boogeyman that always keeps coming back.
We asked that we are able to connect to a water well with a filtration system and a septic tank for the first five years we asked that we are able to connect to our local water and sewer systems between year five and six.
This is obviously as part of a five year business plan as right now the closest per the city of belleview, the closest connection point for both water and sewer sewage are at 1006 hundred and 30ft.
>> that's 1630ft.
That's I mean that's pretty cost prohibitive for any corporation.
Never mind someone like ourselves at this point in water sewer connection of this magnitude is understandably cost prohibitive worth it is cost prohibitive for us and that is of note that I myself proposed and insisted on providing clean water
for the greater safety of our community.
For this project's very inception we will be providing water to all of the food vendors and we will also be clean water of course and we will also be providing electrical hookups 30 amp 50 amp hookups that way there is virtually zero noise coming
out of our compound that is 50ft of buffer space two separate fences that is no not a single generator site.
Everything will be underground electric joint underground infrastructure that is very expensive as revenue up our cost but I'll be this is something we're okay with because again we re here to do right by the community and if you want to you
know if people talk about traffic okay is now the number two most moved to region in the whole country I can't stop it no of course not that developers are developing left and right.
We can't stop that at all.
So as far as traffic goes, I do apologize.
There's not much any of us in the area could do about that.
What I can do is mitigate noise which I completely have mitigate buffering which not many actually implement more buffering which I completely have done and we're going to be providing clean water electricity with no noise where we providing
park service that is a centralized company, a centralized subcontractor company by ourselves by the management company company that guarantees that all the trucks are pumped out at the right time and it's done in a professional manner.
We're not going to let anyone just do what they want to do the dining hall itself was and actually I did the scientist myself I did take a little bit credit for that.
I'm not an architect.
I'm not a civil engineer so the scientist myself and I designed a second one myself as well.
The what we're looking at now and the goal of the dining hall is to control the flow and the movement of the whole place and to make sure that it is always clean and sanitize from the center out.
And this also does make it easier on us.
>> we're looking to build eight bathrooms.
That's what was recommended by the county and that's what we will be doing.
And let's see ere we have all the easements necessary 20 foot by front of 50ft buffer on the north side towards tropicana village and we would like a special consideration for the entrance at 484.
I'm not going to go further into detail whether it's just a developer or another one.
I think a special consideration should be given the fact that the lep at dollar general it's not the biggest as everyone here knows it is pretty congested as it is a lot of delivery trucks have trouble coming in and out and the last thing I
would want is a kid an emergency vehicle got her better as an emergency to not be able to get through because because of the bottleneck effect that this cross access will create and besides that just five years where the water well with a filtration
system a proper septic tank I was hearing about the specific requirements you guys were talking about with their previous gentlemen we're okay with that between year five and six we will go ahead and take o 2630ft endeavor.
We're not against that at all.
We just need the financing capacity to do it.
We're not looking to avoid, evade and take any shortcuts we have not done that at all.
We have done this n a proper manner by gathering everyone here today and the last during the last meeting I wasn't as we payers today I didn't know what the concerns were going to be.
I think I've taken a pretty holistic approach at making sure that we meet the county's demands of our local communities demands and I mean I'm sure as heck this is going to meet all of our regional demands.
A lot of people have messaged me, a lot of people have called me and support unfortunately fortunately because of the 2:00 time a lot of them are at work.
They can't be here today.
Having said that, I appreciate the county for having given me this opportunity to be here and I appreciate everyone who has shown up and has been very civil and that's the way I intended to be at all times.
>> thank you so much.
Thank you.
Yeah.
All right, commissioners, any questions?
>> we'll take public comment first.
Yes.
Do you own the property or is it subject to I'm sorry, sir.
Do you own the property now?
>> my auntie and I own it.
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
>> all right.
Yeah.
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, I do have a list of if you would just sit here if you come up if you'll take notes or try to answer the questions of the people the best you can when you come back.
Okay?
Yes, sir.
All right.
We're going to take public comments so the way this is going to work as we get into these bigger, you know, hearings where we have multiple people signed up.
I'm going to call your ames out.
I'm going to call them out 2 or 3 at a time.
Okay.
So we have two podiums.
You come to both podiums.
I'm also call the next person on deck so you know you're on deck.
Okay.
And we're going to rotate through this as fast as we can.
We don't take comments from the from the audience.
All right.
Pamela newell yes.
Come on down.
Randy steward, margaret cardenas, you'll be on deck.
All right.
If you come down to the podium name, address, record remember this is a quasi judicial hearing.
We need to hear three things.
Is it compatible with the comp plan?
Is it in the public interest and is it compatible with the surrounding areas?
This is the decision and the legal decision that the county commission can make.
>> yes, ma'am.
Cme to this podium, don.
Yes, ma'am.
Go ahead.
Name and address.
>> good afternoon.
Thank you, commissioners, for letting me speak.
My name is pamela noel and I live in tropicana village.
I'd like to summarize the traffic impact analysis for this project.
>> address darlin.
Name address please.
>> address 13350 southeast 49th court belleview, florida 34420.
>> perfect.
Thank you so much.
>> I'd like o summarize the traffic impact analysis for this project.
What's missing?
There is no published f d o t marion county safety audit specifically for this intersection.
>> that means no official crash rate calculations, no signal warrant analysis and no engineering determinations for this site.
Study shows this site is expected to germinate generate 160 plus trips during peak hours which means we must carefully manage how traffic uses the exits and property.
Where were the key intersections on county road or 84 and 47th avenue?
Well they seemed to handle the additional volume mitigation on these roads are required.
>> this includes turn and lane improvements and signal timing adjustments to maintain safe and efficient flow.
>> also reviewed is access management making sure driveway spacing and site distance meet county standards.
Proper spacing is essential to reduce conflict points and keep traffic moving safely inside the site.
The layout must prevent stacking meaning vehicles cannot be allowed to back p on county road for a 47 avenue adequate road up clear site length and internal irculation design will ensure traffic stays within the site and does not spill on to
the roadway.
I oppose the food truck park in this location.
Thank you again for this time.
>> so just so you know and for the rest of the audience I know you're asking about some of the traffic concerns they would have to do a complete traffic study.
They would have to if it got approved.
Right.
They would have to make those accommodations as our staff has already recommend.
I'm assuming the county engineer his office that that a entrance off directly off a 44 at that curve would be dangerous.
So I think that our staff would recommend probably against that and that's why they're saying hey you probably need to go through the cross access easement through dollar general but what all of those things would get handled in a traffic study
just if it did get approved.
>> and that would be for anybody's case.
Yeah, whenever we do a development they have to meet those land development code regulations.
>> thank you again.
All right.
The next person on deck would be mark barton.
>> yes, ma'am.
My name is margaret guardian at 4812 southeast 100th place belleview in tropicana village.
>> I want to focus on one core issue the pedestrian safety and legal compliance.
The intersection of southeast highway 44 and southeast 47th avenue is a high speed multi-lane highway.
>> it has no pedestrian crosswalks, no pedestrian signals, imited sidewalks, poor lighting, no refuge lanes and a documented history of pedestrian fatalities.
Under florida department of transportation rules, pedestrians are expected on all state roadways unless it is a limited access highway one pedestrian infrastructure is not provided.
Fda requires formal design variation and there are only three allowable reasons.
>> none of those apply here especially when pedestrian oriented business like a food truck park is being introduced.
>> this project would increase pedestrian traffic, not reduce it.
>> there is also the americans with disabilities act to consider ada is a civil rights law.
If pedestrians are expected and they will be then accessible routes curb rants continuous sidewalks lighting safe crossing with signals are legally required.
This intersection is not ada compliant.
This location is especially dangerous at night during peak dining hours and when families and children are present.
High speeds multi lanes and turning traffic create a serious risk of injury or death.
>> in closing, think of this as a car and truck dominated highway where you're about to inject a lot of pedestrian foot.
>> thank you for your time.
>> thank you, ma'am.
Gojo you'll be up next.
Yes, sir.
>> go ahead.
Name and address.
Okay.
Name randy stewart.
Address 13350 southeast 49th court belleview, florida.
My name is randy stewart and I want to thank you commissioners, for letting me speak.
I served in the u.s.
Army under a secret clearance stationed at fort bragg, north carolina.
After leaving the army, I became a commercial diver performing duties for large corporations throughout the u.s..
I've owned my own construction company for 40 years.
The reason I'm getting into this I learned that details are the most important part of business and leadership positions.
Details ept me alive.
A stop lawsuits.
They protected employees and they helped design long lasting projects.
My concern for this food truck park our roads merging lanes, fire and ambulance access crosswalks at the lights truck and trailer parking congestion crime and accidents.
We in tropicana village are not against the business we're just against the food truck park.
>> we hope that all the details are considered to achieve the findings for the proper decisions not for revenue alone but for the safety of communities vehicle and road safety, public safety and safety in general.
>> being mindful as well of the marion county growth, we asked the good commissioners what are our assurances that all of the rules, regulations and statutes will be followed?
At the I-75 food truck park.
It's now closed down because they didn't follow these rules logs and regulations.
>> here is the paperwork containing the findings that we all from tropicana came up with and I'd like to give these to the carmel county commissioners.
>> you can hand them to our county minister asthma and so anyway, I would just like to finish my time with this.
>> honestly, any business is we're not against the business.
It's just this business, this particular type.
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this particular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> ticular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it ular type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it just type.-
we're not against the business. It's just this business, this >> it just addresses way too little and creates a lot of crime and different things.
So that's all I have to say.
>> thank you for.
All right.
Thank you.
Yes, sir.
You are up next.
>> name and address for the record.
And by the way, everybody everybody gets two minutes.
You'll see that the green light turns the yellow, right?
That means red is coming.
Red means stop.
Okay.
So that gives you your two minutes helps to guide you through this process.
>> yes, sir.
Okay.
>> my name is mark ryden and it's 13117 south east 49th court and belleview.
>> perfect.
>> okay.
I'd like to thank the commissioners for every seen everybody today.
I really appreciate that.
Okay.
The guidance for used oil grease from this charter 62710 are facilities with and p.
D.
S permits no person may discharge used oil on the ground septics in the sewers, septic tanks or any type of drainage oc must have a license to be a hauler to haul all this grease okay and self cleaners.
Section 4030741 regional it's the removal and transport its own grease as long as it's less than 55 gallons if they do it themselves haulers must have a license documentation for removal and disposal of the grease.
Okay.
A disposal facility must be permitted and certified to collect the grease must have a manifest of where the grease was picked up and where it's going.
>> okay, that's that's my say right there.
Ys, sir.
So so just so you know, I mean obviously we're not you know we're not in the food truck.
The county commission itself we're not in the food truck regulation business.
They are licensed through the state of florida and those requirements will be held by the I believe the department of health.
Is that correct, tracy?
So so the department of health does the inspections on trucks.
They're the ones that make sure the manifest is correct that make sure all those things happen.
>> so if if any food truck parked anywhere ever got permitted the department of health would be the one just like the restaurant business, right?
They'd be the one regulating and making sure that they kept up with the grease and all the other health inspection items for food trucks and or restaurants.
>> okay.
For your information, thank you, sir.
I'm glad you explained that to everybody and I appreciate that.
>> I know there's lots of questions out there.
Okay.
Thank you.
>> mr.
Weston is up next.
Sanley.
Yes, sir.
>> good afternoon.
My name is scott jewell.
I live at 13031 southeast 49th court.
I recently retired from the federal government as an environmental safety and compliance administrator for the past 20 years with the department f justice.
>> we are an adult community that has been in existence since 1986.
We are governed by five member board elected by our residents and have 111 homes which is consisting of 174 voting constituents.
We alue and expect a specific quality of life and wish to protect and maintain the same.
>> the food truck proposal which will be adjacent to our park has become a serious concern.
A committee has been formed and formed information research thoroughly and compiled into a report that we will present to you today for review several committee members will be making presentations today.
Communication has been presented to a targeted audience consisting of only three senior residents.
The developer has come or the developer has come to our private clubhouse with written proposals or changes to the site plan at the front entrance of our park is signage that clearly states that solicitation is not allowed.
His intimidation tactic to this targeted audience has raised safety concerns.
Perception is everything I know workshops or eetings have been established by two county commissioners and developer with our community.
Funding for this endeavor has not been transparent and the taxpayers of marion county all complaints will be irected to the stakeholders for example the state of florida, the board of health, the fire marshal osha and the department of environmental
protection in order to be transparent to the taxpayers a public vote by the commissioners should be held.
>> thank you for your time.
That's what we're doing here today, sir.
Having a public vote.
>> mr.
Watson, you're up next.
>> theresa bush you'll be on deck.
>> well, to the next podium, please.
Okay.
My name is stanley weston.
My wife and I reside at 1305 8000 east 49th court in
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 8000 east 49th court in-
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 tropicana 49th court in-
my name is stanley weston. My wife and I reside at 1305 tropicana village. T in- >> we are both taxpaying residents of marion county.
I am speaking about the b1 zoning designation for the 2.02 acre site under review within the guidelines within the guidelines established previously by the planning commissions in this county be one designation is for neighborhood businesses
small scale local commercial businesses operating within the confines of their interior spaces nothing in outside spaces.
Your examples stated in b1 zoning are a bank barber salon bakery, medical and business offices and etc.
A b1 special use variance deviates from these guidelines.
The property is surrounded by residential areas needing services that are brick and mortar established businesses food and truck truck trailers do not comply with the commission's designate designation 4b1 zoning and are not needed near our
community.
All we ask is that you that this commission follow their own previous designation.
>> thank you.
>> thank you sir harrell caraway will be up next.
>> yes.
Yes ma'am.
Afternoon.
My name is 206 southeast 47th terrace and belleview 34420.
>> ma'am, could you pull the microphone a little bit closer?
Okay.
Thank you.
I am a resident of tropicana tropicana village of 55 and over community.
You could tell we're very passionate about this are safety concerns or tropicana village residents have expressed concern that permanent food trucks in florida are facing crime.
Rising crime crime in florida food truck ones include serious violations incidents, theft of equipment allegations of such areas function as common nuisances due to chronic criminal activity.
>> that's the second time I just I just want to
chronic criminal activity. >> that's the second time I just I just want to make sure that you guys now this is a quasi judicial hearing so we have to have actual evidence if you can provide evidence of increased crime no problem.
But this is a zoning hearing and we do need to stick with facts hearsay with all due respect, as the attorney illustrated earlier is not a fact.
Okay.
So if you don't have proof with number of crime stats and fdle information reports, then it really I mean I don't want to waste your time but it's not admissible.
We can't use it as fact.
Does that make sense?
I just want you to know I mean I don't want to be a but at the end of the day we have to we can only make these decisions based on a set of criteria and facts.
>> okay.
So some of the stuff that's being mentioned right now is hearsay and we can't use it.
Okay.
Well I will skip my next paragraph.
Okay.
Belleview has an acted stricter ordinances banning food trucks not owned by the vendor to curb theft and complaints and april 2025 a deadly shooting occurred at a food truck gathering and made miami dade resulting in two deaths.
These mobile home businesses are particularly vulnerable during off hours especially when parked in unattended poorly lit areas on outskirts of commercial or in residential areas.
Security measures should increase include increased security with enhanced lighting, fencing and cameras, low security storage trucks parked in open and monitored lots easy access points order vehicles often lack advanced built in security making
them easy for breaking low visible values which include cash tip jars equipment left in plain sight as a resident of tropicana village I am against a food truck behind our 5 and over community.
>> thank you.
Thank you for your time.
>> all right.
>> tom hill will be the following.
Yes, ma'am.
> kyra crawley I live at 13097 some of these following night court and basically I'm doing the crime thing too.
But what you said we're like repeating ourselves so yes, ma'am, I'm just I guess maybe I'm just waving denial that you don't like it.
Yes.
No, and I.
I come home.
Do I work a day, night hours and I come home nine 10:00 at night sometimes and there's I can tell you at least once or twice a week those police cars and the dollar general parking lot that back area I took pictures the other day.
It shows laura with all kinds of stuff.
There is just not a good place for that part to come in.
>> thank you.
Yes, please if you have if you if you're going to make criminal allegations, you need to bring criminal support.
I's me, sir.
>> all right.
Marlene turin.
Is that right?
>> if I said that right?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
My name is tom hills.
I live at 13179 southeast 49th court belleview.
>> I have my two minute speech here but it's been touched on quite a bit.
>> but I want to reiterate it just because the developer wants to get like special permission from you about that entry way off before 84.
>> that's correct.
>> and plus I want to get rid of this stupid thing but yes, I'll just reiterate merging traffic coming in here, the entrances here you can't, you know, even start to merge to go into the other lane till you get 356ft away from the entrance and
then also anybody coming from this way going westbound who would want to go into that would be utting right straight across the traffic there.
>> so I'll get rid of this too.
Thank you sir.
Appreciate it.
Be a bit of work.
Steven.
Did you receive a traffic?
Can you just address the curve?
Let me let me help us out here.
>> let me fast forward this little bit and let me have my county engineer just come up quickly and give us a testimony in regards to the traffic at that at that curve.
>> yes, sir.
Good afternoon.
Sticking here in county engineer so the county engineer does not support that driveway that's proposed there that driveway you see today actually predates the arrival of the dollar general so that was the legal access that had to be a part of
our project that happened back in 2008.
Not long after that the d.g.
Came through cross access was required that would be the new legal access 440ft is what the code requires from driveway spacings for this criteria of why 45 miles an hour just to the west of this is a 55 mile an hour stretch so speeds are probably
higher than 45 miles an hour at times.
Also looking t the merge and that tapered distance there is indeed a merge conflict that would be present at this location further supporting our recommendation not to allow driveway at this location.
>> so I think what you're hearing ladies and gentlemen especially for you that live there pretty much no matter what business ever comes here in the future our county engineer would not approve an entrance off a 44 right.
So if that helps to alleviate some of your concerns I think you've addressed that.
Thank you, stephen.
I appreciate it.
>> by the way, if if if your friends and neighbors have already, you know, said everything you were going to say when I call your name you can just raise your hand and say I'm just opposed or for okay, we can help expedite this process if you'd
like.
I think it's loud tall toro as well.
>> it's up to me.
You're up.
Okay.
>> my name my name is maryland third rail I live at 13339 southeast 49th court in tropicana village belleview.
My husband and I do not want this project behind our home because we fear it will draw drug dealers, squatters and homeless people it will provide please try to keep well we know what we see and what we experience in our I can disrespect but
the project isn't there so you can't say that's going to draw drug dealers you don't know.
So it's just hearsay and I appreciate my fear.
>> that's why it's my fear, right?
I'm not saying I read it somewhere.
Okay.
I fear it will draw drug dealers, squatters and homeless people.
It will provide them with handicap bathrooms, running water, shelter and places to eat, congregate, relax, hide and sleep.
It could become their home in tropicana village could become a ew target for crime and themes will experience heavy traffic in tropicana village because as their customers order food and eat and check out the park they will notice for the first
time probably this home development behind here which is tropicana village and they'll probably come check us out as they are checking out the park.
We believe our property value will plummet with food trucks in our backyard because it will destroy our privacy and safety .
The back of a home actually butts the back of the proposed site.
Their customers will be able to see me wash my dishes, eat and play games.
They can also climb the trees in my back yard on the other side of the fence and hide in my backyard behind my sheds.
Tropicana residents have had golf carts stolen and vandalized and items missing so more traffic could easily lead to more crime.
We're also had outsiders use our water, our swimming pool and facilities without our permission.
We are concerned about the all day activities basically from 9 a.m.
To 10 p.m.
All these activities that cause issues like loud noises from traffic and crowds and generators if they're used for temporarily vehicles and speakers even our own dogs will be barking all the time because they're seeing and hearing strangers.
They'll be strong odors all day long from different foods being cooked burnt to even cigaret smoke issues like trash litter and garbage will draw cockroaches, flies and rats if it's not removed every single day by the way, the two 25 foot buffer
between the fences won't stop noise but it could provide areas for storing supplies, cardboard boxes, rubbish and a nice place for places like homeless or run less homeless runaways to to sleep and hide long I have enjoyed living at tropicana
village for nine years.
>> it's safe, peaceful and tranquil.
Thank you so much for your testimony.
Thank you.
Yes sir.
The next is michelle jungle for me.
Is that right?
I was supposed to go before her.
You would have been better off ,huh?
>> yes, sir.
I understand.
I mean she said she she she basically spoke for you.
She said me and my husband that's how my wife starts off because I'm already in agreement.
>> okay?
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
Name and address for the record.
>> yes.
Lyle thrill 13 339 southeast 49th court in belleview and that is directly about abuts the main part of the of the where the business is going.
>> yes so go ahead and I'm concerned about lighting requirements.
I have a picture of a food truck lighting acility.
>> yes, sir.
And if you notice this, those are not regulation lights for being outside a residential area.
>> yes, sir.
And there is such a thing as light pollution, outdoor lighting or parking areas, signage and truck service lights can create lights spill over into nearby homes, bright lights at night can be blinding and diminish sleep quality for all ages
glare controlled lighting design and operational hours are commonly a part of the special use permit conditions to minimize impacts on neighbors especially sensitive communities like 55 plus neighborhoods.
I am a disabled american veteran vietnam veteran thank you for your service.
I don't want or need a food truck in my backyard.
I don't think it's it's not not a part of the tranquil life that we have been used to and also I was concerned about security but there's not hasn't been any designated security part the security that they said they were having is consists of
three janitors and I don't think that's adequate security.
How and at the time thank you very much for your testimony, sir and thank you for your service.
>> I didn't say that to the other gentleman also there's a couple other folks that served.
Thank you for your service.
We appreciate you especially in light of america 250 we're here and we have this opportunity today because of you.
>> we appreciate it.
All right.
Yes, ma'am.
Richard and then richard, you learn let your wife go first to well, he was supposed to go before me.
>> oh, where's richard at?
All ight.
Come on down, sir.
And that's young erman.
Young for okay.
Okay.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
I did.
>> I messed that up.
I apologize.
Everybody does.
Don't worry about it.
Douglas mcgee, you'll be on deck 13134 southeast 48th terrace belleview tropicana village.
My concern is with fires, fuel and power sources from the nfpa codes one and 6 from various chapters and also national electric code 70 the common causes of fires and food trucks are malfunctioning electrical systems grease build up and improper
use of cooking equipment in food trucks.
The use of liquefied petroleum gas or propane to fuel cooking operations presents additional hazards.
Many accidents involving gas cylinders used by food trucks have occurred over the years from leaking propane tanks.
>> any engine driven source of power must be checked on a regular basis.
Generators must be separated from the public by barriers such as physical guards, fencing or enclosures any engine driven source of power must be shut own prior to refueling from a portable container.
Also the exhaust from the engine driven source of power complies with the following it must be at least 12 foot in all directions from openings air intakes and have an unobstructed path from any point to a public way.
The designed for safe evacuation of the area it must be directed away from all buildings.
It must be directed away from any mobile or temporary cooking operations.
Also and electrical appliances, fixtures, equipment and wiring must comply with the national electric code and then we get into the propane tank integrity main shut off valve for liquid and vapors pressure on piping systems piping and flexible
connectors, leak detection systems.
Each food truck is an independent business.
Not all businesses are created equally.
My hope is that if this is passed the fire marshal can inspect them on a regular basis before an accident occurs at our back doors.
>> yes, ma'am.
Thank you again, the department of health is in charge of these particular inspections and they would make sure but before any business whether it's this one or anything else ever gets approved for a marshal inspects all the connections how
it works.
I know I called the fire department and and and the building department would make sure that the correct electrical pedestals are in place.
>> he said once a year or every three months depending.
>> yeah.
I mean if we had an incident or something happened you know I don't I don't recall any fire trucks catching on fire but we could always oh I checked out in our in our area yeah I checked over the over the national average and they explode so
that was just too enforcement too much information to bring with me.
>> well thank you, darlin.
>> thank you.
Take your time and our brenda hampton will be n deck.
>> yes, sir.
We gave you the microphone perfect.
Hello, rick young from in 13134 our company that's working years it isn't.
>> it is on perfect.
All right, we'll get you taken care of.
Okay.
There we go.
Oh, rick young four men 13134 southeast 48 terrace and belleview.
I wanted to talk about general safety checklist from the national fire prevention association and you need to make sure or ensure that all trucks are properly licensed and that we verify that the proper fire department vehicular access is provided
for the fire lanes and access roads.
The fire trucks might have to go through that donald general parking lot just to gain access to this property should an accident occur, ensure clearance of the fire department access to the fire hydrants and fire department connections, ensure
all the appliances are checked to that produced grease laden vapors and that might be the source of grease in the hood.
Also grease removal devices or ducts are protected by fire extinguisher equipment.
Portable fire extinguishers have been selected and installed in all kitchen cooking areas whether it's type a, b, c, d or k depending on the type f the truck.
>> also ensuring that all the workers are trained in the following areas proper use of portable fire extinguishers proper method of shutting off fuel sources, proper procedures to notify the local fire department and how to perform a simple
leak test on lp gas connections according to the nfpa codes you can congesting a lot of different sources all in one congested area.
That's where fire becomes my concern if one truck goes there's a real possibility many more can go further.
I've looked up many food truck court locations in florida as many as I can find and I can't find any that are adjacent to a residential area .
>> thank you for your time.
Thank you for your comments or all right, brenda hampton one 3100 southeast 47th court belleview, florida tropicana villages I oppose the food truck park.
>> I back every one from tropicana that said anything most everything that I wanted to say is already been said.
>> so thank you for your time.
Appreciate that.
Thank you.
Mary ellen bennett and jason terry, you next couple up.
>> yes, sir.
My name's douglas mcgee live at 13162 southeast 7th court here in belleview.
I too am against the food court but my biggest concern is my background and my employment was a traffic accident reconstructionist with the pennsylvania state police and I there is nothing more sobering than anyone whether it's first responder
ems, police officer, whatever.
Go to ind a a body that is that is dead and obviously it could have been prevented just you know, this past february 8th a individual was trying to cross 44 to go to dollar general.
I don't know whether he was crossing illegally with a red light or the car was going through a red light but nonetheless a human body was, you know, glittering the same thing whether or not in ocala or any large city there is crosswalk lights
and pedestrians are still run over.
There is no crosswalk there.
Maybe that'll be covered with a traffic and engineering study I don't know but at this point it is a dangerous situation to think that young people are going to be crossing a highly busy traffic roadway there wether or not their traffic crossing
with a green light or not they could still have a lot of a lot of individuals hurt and killed.
And last thing I want to do is to see many more crosses flowers, wreaths, teddy bears, laudatory charts because these children in schools out there are going to be crossing I'm sure to get go to the food trucks.
>> thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Right.
Oh, jason terry already I think.
And carrie mcgee will be following.
>> yes, ma'am.
Mary ellen bennett 13159 south east 49th court belleview.
My main concern is the safety issues created by the use of the dollar general parking lot as egress to and from 47th avenue kids jump out of cars in ad in their excitement make a beeline to the store not waiting for the adult or thought of checking
left or right for through traffic like the traffic they're used to is parking.
They're not used to people traveling through the lot can get very congested when there is a delivery truck let alone two of them in a parking lot at the same time and it is quite possible and highly probable that people will use the parking
lot of the church located directly across on the north side of 44 thereby crossing four lanes of traffic with no designated pedestrian crossing or lights only a ditch as a safety zone separating the lanes.
I do not see the priority in this for pedestrian safety in this plan to the degree that it warrants.
This is a recipe for disaster and it's ot a question of if but when.
Thank you, ma'am.
You all right?
>> and then charlene lagasse.
Yes, jason terry 13451 south east 46th court belleview.
I live across the street from the dollar general.
Unfortunately for us in growth ,whether it's a business or a food truck or whatever, it's going to be traffic is going to be inevitable.
We're going to have to deal with it.
Our concern on that end is it really doesn't benefit the community and surrounding area like it doesn't enefit jobs like a fast food restaurant or a jiffy store or things like that.
Also it's the noise that's outside the area will be confined inside if it was a regular business as it's oned.
Is that correct?
He would be one?
Yes, sir.
So I think our concerns is we would rather see it stay that way than to have this permit be approved.
>> so thank you.
Appreciate your comments.
>> yes, sir.
Leaving a humble chairman I will just district members please.
My name's coby mcgee.
I live at 13200 southeast fourth seventh court belleview, florida.
I am a member of the hoa for tropicana village and I think my fellow tropicana village members have done their best to explain their displeasure with this this concern going on and also they did my research and I mean I hope you guys realize
how much this means to this community.
I being a councilman for ten years I know what you guys go through and I know your job is also to bring it been this business into the town but it is not a good idea.
We have we didn't we don't want this place to go up in here.
It's not going to be good for our community again, you've heard it you've heard it all and I don't want to reiterate what everybody has said but these people are your constituents.
These are the people who vote for you into office.
Just please take that into consideration.
>> thank you, sir.
All right, charlene charlene lagasse 4413 southeast 134th street, belleview, florida.
We do not live in tropicana estates.
>> we live are you sure?
Yeah.
So look, I just double checking because we live in belleview heights estates.
>> all right?
From what I understand with the access and from 484 not being allowed you want to send them through the door?
Correct.
In sending the traffic through dollar general we lready experience traffic that goes through belleview heights estates trying to avoid the traffic light at 484 going westbound by sending people to that traffic light to go through dollar general
we're going to have more people cutting out that light going up 40 fourth court my house is right on the corner of 100 and 34th street and 44th court.
>> all of the traffic that comes through there avoiding the traffic light then turns right on 4130 fourth street and it would turn into dollar general after dark every one of those cars shines lights in my windows so I can you please fix that,
sir?
>> he has a question about or concern of the traffic signal the traffic signal you give your name and address for the record jean lee ac 4413 southeast 1/34 street.
>> thank you sir.
Right now the traffic light is a fixed traffic light because of the 55 mile per hour 44th court is the last median exit onto our street.
>> so we get a lot of traffic cutting the light because of its time duration as a result we get a back up of traffic at rush hour traffic as it is this would only lend more to that and at the end of 44th street 44th court and 1/34 street people
going to the store already have to take a very short right turn and a left turn right at the traffic light.
>> so it incurs a ot of lock up traffic coming down 47th and it's only going to get worse.
Thank you, sir.
That's it ery much.
>> thank you.
All right.
So that's everybody that signed up for the entertainment of the evening if if you have listen, I'm going to invite some other folks to come speak but you got to say something different.
Okay?
All right.
Anyone else want to speak?
Come on.
Anybody else after that I'm going to close public comment.
>> all right?
It's like you'll be the last one to speak.
I I'm short.
>> nicole grant 13279 southeast 49th court belleview, florida tropicana village.
I'll be really brief.
So the gentleman the mr.
Pimentel mentioned that a dining hall so I don't think it's a dining hall because to you maybe a dining hall is a closed building but it's a pavilion so people are going to come in, they're going to be at the pavilion and they're going to talk
till 930, 9:00 whenever they're going to close.
>> so there's more noise and the other thing the fence in the back so there's going to be a fence between tropicana and then two fences.
>> but what about the sides?
>> the sides it's going to be chain link so it's like the noise is going to come from that pavilion might be blocked in the back for some of these people.
I live two doors down from that.
I live in the retention pond right behind the retention pond and the retention pond.
>> no, but I'm glad it's there .
I'm only two doors down from all this noise so I'm going to hear it.
I'm not hearing it in the back but I'm going to hear it on the sides.
And let's talk about the lights in our backyard.
So just want you to consider that do you want to pavilion in your backyard?
>> unless I'm mistaken, it's a civilian.
>> so.
All right.
Thank you.
All right.
The applicants come back and you can address some of these comments.
>> well, thank you so much for coming up and voicing your concerns and thank you for the opportunity to speak as a follow up to their comments before I do so I do want to say thank you for your service to all the veterans who stepped up.
It means a lot to us.
It is our 250 50th anniversary and we have 250 more.
I really do mean it.
Before I do address everyone's concerns I will say the following I did talk to mr.
Todd ms..
Lisa at veterans health and veterans usa and one of the proposals I made and I actually made a pledge and it's written down so there's no going back and doesn't matter because I fully made it is to set up a donation box, a safe a donation safe
box on our own dime where veterans helping veterans usa will have a key to it where they can pick up the nation's every week.
They will also have the right in our blessing to set up a van is called a vet van close to our pavilion so they can bring awareness to the costs which is our shared costs and also accept more donations whether it be funds financial donations,
clothes, shoes and all that good stuff.
So that is something to keep in mind.
I do want to be a part of the community and contribute and you can ask mr.
Lisa and mr.
Todd I walk through their facilities and I think that you're doing a lovely job and are actually thoughtful over here.
>> yeah, they really are and in tandem with that I've also gone to the vet center by the paddock mall and that one's actually a so veterans help and veterans usa it's a nonprofit organization to stick to this yes I really do appreciate it.
Yeah for ure.
Yeah but there's a lot of people ere and I still have another hearing after you.
>> yeah, of course I do.
Yeah.
Yeah, I saw veterans coming up and address their yeah, their concerns and then what the county commission make a vote.
We'd appreciate it.
Yes, of course.
Yeah, definitely.
And I do thank everyone for coming up here.
It does make us a lot better and and being better every day is what are we strive for.
So I'm going to try to address everyone's concerns to the best of my ability.
So s far as lighting goes there will be a photometric plan obviously has to pass code that's we're not going to throw up lights that we could never do it.
What goes into putting up lights a lot of underground digging a lot of tube wiring through tubes it's all expensive.
It all has to be done the right way.
So obviously there will be a photometric plan and also a photometric plan for a soft light nightlight and so that obviously because we're going to have a 24 hour surveillance system at all times as far as security goes, we're going to have a
going to be one fence at the front the chain link fence.
There's going to be a second fence at the 50 foot mark, a third fence at a 25 foot mark and then a fourth fence at the at your own on your own perimeter on your own property's perimeter.
That's four fences.
I mean it's it can't be any more safety net as far as the sides go.
>> we were proposed to have vinyl on the sides within the well.
They can't see it but within the first 25 foot buffer and a second buffer I would propose to put vinyl on the side.
>> obviously that would walk out noise and anyone from seeing into their properties which they already do but obviously we're here to provide even more security with through four fences.
So let's see here we have a okay for adventure when the homeless again we will have a 24 hour surveillance so we will have a fence.
This will not be open door and there will be soft light and expose and anyone coming in and out and at some point we're thinking about hiring a security guard.
I'm not sure if that's allowed for someone to stay overnight.
Is that is that okay or is that not permissible?
>> I don't know.
You can figure that out later.
Okay.
Yeah.
And that is within our plans as well.
Like I said, we are trying to do a real permanent a permanent infrastructure, a permanent development let's see here.
So oak oil and pick up again that's not something we plan on doing ourselves.
This will be under contract every vendor will be under contract to have their oil pumped out by a company hat we choose based on uality and experience of service.
This is not so free nelly thing where everyone just does what they want.
There have been things on the floor today that that we would be closed down in a heartbeat and respectfully so of course I mean that the environmental protection agency will be on our backs and I want to be to actually I would never allow that
in in a hundred years and again by contract they will be forced and obligated to be pumped out by our pre-selected company and that is a part of their package as far as their rent package goes that is a part of their package there will be again
I'm not sure if everyone heard that there will be no generators 3050 amp connections all very expensive.
They all add a whole much a whole lot of more expensive to us but we're willing to do it because e want to do it the right way.
>> let's see here real quick.
Oh okay.
Again the last thing is traffic.
Traffic okay.
And traffic.
Oh yeah.
As far as traffic goes we have gone down from 24 to 20.
Whether it's this development or all the fall on a permissible with everyone hospitals that operate 24 seven urgent care centers with sirens and emergency vehicles running all the time they could be restaurants that run into late hours, 24 hour
drapes and laundromats as well.
There could be a big plaza there as well.
So as far as traffic goes, I mean that's pretty trivial and I don't mean to downplay that.
I can't help all the people moving into the area and whether it's me or someone else there's going to be traffic and that's so much something I can do.
I, I can't do much about that myself.
>> and as far as all the trucks being inspected there will be inspected by the health departments and the fire departments and actually one of the public conditions is that the county will have a list of everyone hat is operating.
So that is I mean that's everything right there.
There will have a list of everyone operating if anyone ever goes away and someone new comes in as a new vendor they have to be notified by public condition.
Again, I want to reiterate this is a 600,000 plus $600,000 plus investment on our part.
We're not playing around with that kind of money.
I mean it might be monopoly money for others, definitely not for me.
We are looking to be a permanent staple