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All right. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our

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public hearing to discuss the proposed land development code amendments.

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if you'd please stand with me for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one ation.

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under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Right, madam clerk.

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good morning. If you call the roll. Chairman alec here, vice

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chairman mcclain here. Commissioner curry. Commissioner bryant here.

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commissioner stone. All right. And proofs of publication.

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I have six proofs of publication. I approve publication of legal

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aid entitled notice of public hearing by the board of the county commissioners of marion

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county, florida to consider a land development code amendment related article four zoning

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division three special requirements section 4.3.6 manufactured home park trailer

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and recreation vehicle regulations I have proof of publication of notice of public

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hearing by the board of county commissioners of marion county, florida to consider a land

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development code amendment related to the article four zoning division three special

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requirements section 4.3.1 to roadside vendors I pray for publication of legal aid

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entitled notice of public hearing by the board of county commissioners of marion county

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,florida to consider a land development code amendment related to article four zoning

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division three special requirements section 4.3.30 smoke shops I approve

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publication of legal aid entitled notice of public hearing by the board of county

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commissioners of marion county, florida to consider a land development code amendment

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related to article one administration division two definitions I approve for

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publication of legal aid and title notice of public hearing to by the board of county

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commissioners of marion county ,florida to consider a land development code amendment

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related to article six technical standards and requirements division seven

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tree protection and replacement and I approve a publication of legal ad entitled notice of

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public hearing by the board of county commissioners of marion county, florida to consider a

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land development code amendment related to article six technical standards and

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requirements division eight landscaping all published on the publicly accessible website

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marion flora legal notices on august 10th 2026. All right.

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>> thank you, madam clerk. All right. Good morning muneer, kick us

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off. I will turn it over. Commissioner to the, you know,

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services staff to present uh, the changes. Good morning, kathleen burke

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nolan growth services this is going to. Be um, the first item on the

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agenda. This is section 4.3.6 manufactured home park trailer

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and recreation vehicle regulations. Um, the changes that are being

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proposed are under the subsection for a temporary use. Um number three the for

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agriculturally um zoned properties there where there is a 60 day period in any 365 day

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period, um, where someone could get a temporary use permit to have their rv m or travel

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trailer on heir own property. Um, where this came about was um from a citizen who um wrote

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in suggesting a change um, they noted that some of the um equestrian related circuits

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that happen locally um, happen for periods going past the 60 days some of them being 90

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days. I know there's a winter circuit um, that's for a three month

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period. So they suggested a change um, which we're proposing which

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would be 90 days in a 365 day period with the option for a 30 day extension by growth

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services director approval. Um, which was not something that we had previously but it

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would give the opportunity um should there be a situation where an extension um ould be

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appropriate it would give the director the opportunity to do that.

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um, the other change in that subsection three was uh, a change from a limit of five

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travel trailers to four um, five or more by department of health is considered an v

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park. So at the five that would be where we would be looking for a

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special event permit. Um, those have some more rules regulations, more things that

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need to be provided um to growth services and those are only for a seven day period.

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um, so there is a restriction on the special event. Permits should they be wanting

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more than four travel trailers at one time to be on the property?

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and then lastly um the subsection b parking of recreation vehicles this was a

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change that um while we were going through this ldr c um suggested that the rv and

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travel trailers may be permitted to be parked beside or behind the residence um,

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which is similar to what we see with accessory structures um unless stored in the driveway.

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if they are stored in the driveway they can't be um blocking the right of way or

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sidewalks anything like that. And if they are parked beside or behind the property they

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need to be at least the ten feet away from the property line.

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um so those are the proposed changes. Um, we're looking for any

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feedback you may have on those. Measures.

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>> uh. Mister chair. Um I've had some calls.

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from people who have children who come to the community to compete during the season and

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so extending that timeline, um ,for them to keep their families um rv on their

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property and then giving them that one month extension um um very much in support of.

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and it brings it down to four right. From 5 to.

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>> for health department reasons, correct?

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>> yes. There.

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>> yeah. Just a comment. Um, something that seems a

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little off just so you go from . Four you're.

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allowed to have. 90 days to do. Something plus an optional 30.

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day extension but the minute you add one more you're allowed a.

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maximum of. >> seven days with a special

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event permit, correct? Yes.

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>> and so what is the department of health I mean. Y'all see what I'm saying?-

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>> you go. >> from.

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4 to 5 and all of a sudden you're going down from possibility of 120.

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days to seven. It's a.

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>> state statute of some sort though I think. But I'll let them explain it.

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they have to provide public bathhouses if you go to that five.

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yes, sir. Can we work across services. At the fifth rv that does.

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trigger an rv park to the department of health and that's where they require an on site

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like physical bathhouse would uh, restrooms and ll that other stuff and laundry.

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um, so we did not want to have any issues with folks who are just trying to have family out

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there for a little bit of time. Um have been told that now they got to provide a full on

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bathhouse but they're not an rv park. Right.

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so that's the intention is this is very temporary. You come in, you do what you're

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supposed to do for up to 90 days and then you go go back to wherever you come from.

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okay? >> thanks.

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commissioners. Any other questions or comments on the section?

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and we do signed up for public. Is there anyone in the audience I want to talk about this

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section on the rv park or rv element okay back to the board I mean we move this section I

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think. >> this is just.

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for this part of the other one. Yeah.

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>> so this. >> is the first of the two eek

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hearings. Um the next one um if you choose you would be confirming

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to the second public hearing the change september 14th. We just need a motion to move

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it to the next well we can do. Consensus o move this to the next.

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yes. Um.

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>> public hearing without any changes. Yes.

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there you go. Which is september.

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>> 14th t 5:30 p.m.. Okay.

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>> bring it. All right. Thank you.

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sir. >> you did.

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I'll let the. Vice chair do that. Okay okay.

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we're getting ready. Cancer can wear off. Deputy director, growth

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services uh, this is item two. This is section 4.3.12 temporary roadside vendors.

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only previously was or currently in the code it is labeled roadside vendors.

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uh we've added the temporary to it so we're looking at this includes roadside food vendors

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uh food trucks um it includes. Uh fireworks things I think are separate but it includes.

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um like your produce stands on the side of the road and stuff like that.

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so fruits, vegetables produce peanuts, uh, christmas trees, firewood and then your, um,

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florida department of business and professional regulation division of hotels and

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restaurants approved, um, food carts. Um.

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so he language provided today is we're looking at trying to clarify what the language

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trying to provide better clarity of the language that's in the um code oday while.

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um being it. We think it's less restrictive .

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it's currently today if you have more than two workers on the site you have to have you

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have to provide restrooms and stuff like that here where um specifying that.

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uh per parcel. To two roadside vendors or two food trucks can be on a parcel

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with property um, ownership permission and. Um.

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>> you know, they can't be in a right away so can't be in the easements and that they are

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intended to be temporary so that services such as electric water sewer are not permitted

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and that's existing code today . And if they're going to be in

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permanent structures. Uh.

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>> you know ermanent structures are not are not prohibited or are prohibited.

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so I'm sorry which is urrent code today is just worded a little bit different where we

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say shall be prohibited and now we say are prohibited. Um if it's a roadside vendor

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for like a or um a protest and they have to get permits or that if it's um adjacent to a

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farm. Um and we do look for them to have a driveway permit coming

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off of the right of way, especially on county roads. We wanted to clarify that here

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in uh. One uh, because oftentimes we're seeing where these

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roadside vendors are just pulling off the road and sometimes their vehicles are a

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little bit heavier and over time that is uh tearing up or messing up the apron of the

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road. So wanting to clarify that a driveway permit needs to be

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obtained, um, and that they have to have adequate parking, a stabilized area for ada

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access and then. If there are more than two employees site on the site we

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just wanted to clarify temporary restroom facilities which are before for just a

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restroom facilities which could have been interpreted either needing to be a brick and

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mortar type facility. But this does say that you can have temporary facilities.

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um clarifying that. Mr. Chair, can we go.

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>> back to that section again? Yes ma'am. So I.

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>> just have a question on-site. Temporary facilities are to be

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provided when more than two employees are present. So that does not include an

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owner. It would.

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>> just be the owners employee . Or anybody working in the in

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the roadside vendor. So if somebody was there all day working and as an owner to

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collect supervising I don't I don't know. I mean I think that you're you

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could be in a great you could be in an area there. We can add owners to.

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people you know to. Yeah you need to do persons instead of you're ever going to

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try to do that because lots of you know so we also have these small businesses the owner is

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that. We would go back to more than two persons language which is

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what's currently in the code today. And would that include

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customers. No okay so. We may need to clarify that

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you. >> need.

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to clarify that. Yeah.

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>> because everything is you know up for how someone interprets it.

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and we'll wordsmith that after we get out of here. Oh I also have a question bout

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the parking. So what how do we what what's the process for determining

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adequate parking? There currently today when so code enforcement if they were

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to come out to he place where a roadside vendor is it would be just doing a spot check you

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know, does t look stabilized so that there's at least somewhere safe for um, somebody

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with disabilities to park so that they could park, get out and go to the stand and get

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back to their vehicle safely. We don't have a whole lot of. Um.

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>> regulation here as far as what that what the standards are is just just as adequate

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and it's more of a um. A call on the site, you know, so if it if it looks dangerous

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and you ask them can you fix this if it's if it looks okay then they just leave it alone.

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where's robin at here. Yes. Get you an answer?

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I think this is I don't know this is more about judging the parking as much as it is like

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hey, if you're obviously in the right of way. So robin, can you help us?

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so just as you look at these. Yes, sir. Code enforcement manager robin.

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hough for. Um, growth services code enforcement manager.

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um. >> what we're looking for is

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that there's adequate amount of parking on the private property so that the people that are, uh

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,patronizing these locations are not just driving off the side of the road and parking

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along the edge of the page or the roadside. So why can't.

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>> we just put. Why can't we just put. That into.

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the the. Language that parking. Parking must be contained.

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>> on site because adequate that. Just it's I don't know.

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as a as a vendor how you're supposed to try to comply with something that's so subjective.

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I mean just say that parking shall be contained on site. I mean we could put in there if

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you want to commissioner, just to make it have a little bit of you know yeah you have to have

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at least two spots that are on private property. You're causing an issue where

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traffic is backing up then you need to manage that or something like that something.

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uh yeah I mean. Yeah or. Just parking contained on site

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I don't know this so designate spots.

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>> because. There's not I mean they just. Try to draw lines and stuff

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like that and ou don't want to get into all that and you just you just parking needs to be

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contained on site if the if the goal is to keep them off. Of the.

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right of way off of the road parking just needs to be we stay on site we.

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>> can. Clarify that because you know different trucks different

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amount of customers we saw um you know remember remember big lease when they were a food

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truck. >> out there.

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you didn't get there arly. They sell out and there might be 30 people there.

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so well and then some of the food trucks you know they have to they end up having to

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go into some of these bigger parking lots because you may have a big crowd.

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yeah I was I went to lowe's to go pick up something and there was a egg one was there and I

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was like man that'd be great to get one. And then you see the line and

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the whole half of the parking lot is, you know, taken up by the egg roll truck.

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so yeah. Okay. Okay.

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yeah. >> those aren't very.

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healthy. >> I know I'm just saying there

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was a long line I saved myself probably lost a pound right there by not going.

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no hating the egg roll people. No no no no we've.

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>> all been trying to be a little healthier. And trying.

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the next uh. Clarify we're trying to clarify that overnight food.

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vegetables. >> produce and storage is not

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permitted. Everything has to be inside of the vehicle.

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um, they can't leave stuff outside. Um, arch advertising signs,

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trash tables, chairs and other necessities shall be removed when the temporary roadside

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vendor ceases business. Where do they and the maximum number of signs shall not

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exceed for signs per endor. Is that is that include for uh for a stand like a sign about

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stand there we just talked about the truck both. Oh yes.

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so when you're when you're I guess when you're driving down the road you see like the

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different fruits and vegetables they would need to limit that to four per vehicle per per

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stand. What does that mean I'm sorry. Um so I don't know if you're

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when you're driving and you start seeing like mangos and peaches and tomatoes they would

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need to consolidate there was a little bit and limit there were still just for signs for that

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one stand. Sure.

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>> yeah I understand f it's a temporary but we also have some ag pieces where they have

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basically almost permanent. Like um um fixtures you know what I mean?

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like the stand part is there and and you have lots of people popping up these um, you know,

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lttle wooden reas where people can come and buy, you know, something, ight?

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so does that have to be movable? If so.

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so that's what I'm trying to figure out because people you know, they're working the

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weekend they're probably going to leave that farm stand. They might take all the produce

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away but they're probably still going to have the farm stand. I believe the ones.

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>> that are there maybe for the weekend or for the week I don't know.

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we can look into that and give you a better understanding of the peanut.

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thing at sollers has been there for I don't know how long it's been long and longer than me so

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um right and so what do we do with that particular peanut stand that's pretty much there

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but it operates significantly during gator football season right.

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and so you just have those kind of elements there aybe that should have a special use

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permit if it's going to be there all year long right. Or if it's a permanent thing it

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probably should have a special use permit of ome. Sort and but we'll.

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we'll work through those pieces I guess I'll. Bring you that information back

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at the next meeting okay. >> thank you can appreciate

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that as long. >> as your commissioner on.

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it talks about the farm stance okay. What side stands you want to

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help you. Ammonia it. Reference uh state statute

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right. So I think the stands are allowed to remain.

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yes perfect. So we're good to go then right.

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>> and I believe that's looking at it's on the premise where the food on the premise.

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yeah so. There's a little bit different rules there and they get some

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different signage rules based on our sign code as well and within the statutes and we

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can bring back some specifics about that okay. To clarify.

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>> that. But if if it's another farm stand that's selling both maybe

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what's produced there and a couple other things then it might fall into a different

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category or no. Maybe but probably not because if it's on if it's on the farm

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that it's some of the stuff's produced. Okay it would be okay.

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it would fall under that um statute all. Right to farm.

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yeah and that's fine. I want to make sure I just don't want to cause some other

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kind of unintended consequence . Yes.

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one thing to clarify in the stuff that was published it did say tables and chairs were

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prohibited. That was a mistake. Um, we had a lot of

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conversation through elders. So you're trying to work that out?

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what what is everybody comfortable with? And we agreed that tables and

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chairs should be limited to two tables with chairs because at one point we had a question

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well what if somebody brought out a table that fit 40 people and that as you know, you get

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into those discussions and it's it is if we have those issues we'll deal with it then okay.

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it was basically what we came up with. Okay okay.

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>> um and then section g is talking about if there's more than two temporary roadside

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vendors or vendors on site they do need a special use permit because that would be a food

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truck park and that's where we're looking at. While the statutes say we have

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to treat roadside vendors and food trucks or food trucks like restaurants, we're not asking

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them to go do um, site plans and traffic studies for everything.

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however, we have seen a couple of food truck parks that come in and um, one try to you know

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what came in and they were at a place where they had to do a uh a full traffic study with 15

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trucks or more. Um, but this clarifies the path that if you want more than two

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trucks and ou're going to be somewhat permanent there, here's the process that we're

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looking for you to follow. And here are some of the um, minimum standards that we're

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looking to address within that special use permit. And then you will do a site

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plan and provide paid parking or get waivers if that's a potential um, but you're going

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to ave permanent restrooms and all that ther stuff and if you're within connection

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distance to water sewer you will have water sewer on the site for your um for your

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vendors. Tose are the um proposed changes to the section.

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did we? I'm looking through this right now.

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did we clarify I mean are they supposed to be in and out each allowed to.they.-

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keep it there in. If they're going. To or.

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if they're going through the special use permit they would address that during the

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application. I'm talking about the ones that fall underneath.

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the the. Minimum like when there's two food trucks.

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yeah we're just asking that they pack up all their stuff at night because if they have

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permission to park there on that site, we're not making them leave the site every day

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as long as or temporary but they can leave that.

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>> it's not temporary if. If it's staying there all the time.

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and we can put that in there I think.

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>> I think. We least need to put it in there that it needs to stay or

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have. I think the one problem that we're seeing is that it needs.

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to be able to be moved out. Serviceable like it has to be serviceable if somebody comes

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up and says hey, we haven't seen you moving, you know all the tires are flat and it's on

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blocks now or you know what I mean? You can't right?

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it can't go to some other kind of permanent structure uh because.

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>> they. Don't know how to evaluate yours.

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it we probably need to talk about that rocess because having them leave every single

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day is maybe something but maybe we do need some kind of I don't really know.

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okay. Um maybe if it's.

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>> you talking about move the. If it's permanently basically parked there right.

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so I mean the whole premise of a food truck is for it to be able to ove around right?

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and it's supposed to be mobile. It's you know, but we do have some of them that are staying

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in fixed locations and then we have the problem in some locations where they they just

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ended up building they get. Security and stuff.

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>> I don't know that one spot down in marion oaks had right? I don't even know how many food

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trucks permanently partner in other things. And so it becomes a problem

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because then they can't run water and sewer, they can't put in the bathrooms, they can't do

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all these things and they're actually drawing lots of customers and you know now now

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it's. >> a fixed location.

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it's a fixed location and a fixed location needs to be like a restaurant.

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and so that we've got to figure out that. Okay.

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>> to allow the entrepreneur to be able to do their business but it needs to be what it was

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purpose to be in a food truck and to be able to be mobile and then that's fine and once it

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becomes a fixed location well then they become under the code of all the other state

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regulations that a restaurant would have to have. And so we're trying to parse

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that line and figure out your point like how do we put in the right things for the good

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actors that want to do the good business and want to, you know ,aren't causing the issues

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right so. We can work but we also have to be able to weed out the bad

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actors that are causing issues and bad recommendations for the rest of the community.

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and so that's and that's what we're trying to figure out. But we'll we'll bring you back

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some language. U, I'll work with our code enforcement to make sure it's

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something that I think we need. To have.

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>> something that's enforceable for robin and her team. Yes, that is common sense

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policy, right? That that that makes sense that and any normal business

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operator would be okay with that. We're not restricting them but

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we're also not impacting right away. He's not putting people in

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dangerous positions not having you know, groups of people in places with no restrooms.

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yeah. All of those kind of issues that we run into.

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the other um thing that I was looking for in here commissioners.

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was I mean I have had some complaints of some locations where they're playing loud

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music and. Well that should be an easy noise ordinance.

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well I understand but if we address it within this section of our land development code

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and we don't allow it, then it's not a problem. It's a food truck.

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you're supposed to be walking up getting your food and leaving.

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yeah. >> I gotcha.

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it shouldn't be a hangout spot. Where we have said tables and chairs well are not permitted.

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to. You now have to change that. But still.

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and I mean having a ittle bit of music is fine I don't have a problem with that I mean but

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but I don't it doesn't need to be blaring. Where it is though.

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okay you know what I mean. It could be next to it in some of these locations to a

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residential spot. Yeah. In you know in some of our more

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agricultural locations. Well why isn't that just enforceable by our right?

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how do we have no amplified sound equipment allowed? But that would be part of our

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noise ordinance lready. I understand, but why should somebody have to call code

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enforcement and have code enforcement come out and deal with this?

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we can just put it in the code and then have to argue with the person who is there saying oh

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I'm not playing loud music if it's already in the code code enforcement gets called out

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they can say no, it's in the code. Okay we can do it.

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as well okay with. That I. It's a way so that is way not

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having it in the code and having code enforcement have to go out and pull out the decibel

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meter and all that stuff is a waste of staff's time if they can just go out there and say

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I'm sorry but you're not allowed to have amplified sound equipment.

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what? >> okay.

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>> I don't know what I don't know what. What does that mean to find

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amplified right. So an I have a bluetooth speaker?

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all those can be quite loud as well. And hat's my point is I like

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that's fine I'm just trying to figure out like amplified do you mean why.

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>> don't we let staff work on that and bring us something back?

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okay. Robin, are you seeing that as a problem?

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robin come on. Can you come here for a second, please?

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robin. Can I bother you again? Uh, think.

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that's why I'm here. Yeah.

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>> robin, what are you running into in this regard. So we don't get a lot of

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complaints about music being played t, a single food truck location.

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but we. Have had. Complaints few and far between

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. And what we do is we do apply the plainly audible noise

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ordinance. So it's plainly audible. You don't get to bring the

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stuff ut there. If we if we can hear the music off the property that they're

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on then they could very possibly be in violation of the plainly audible sections.

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okay so. To address the amplified so anything coming through a

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speaker or live instrument is um covered under our plainly audible.

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noise ordinance okay yeah so so I mean just like if you're in an rv and some of them have

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built in, you know, speakers I've seen food trucks with built in a little bit of built

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in audio. Is that going to be considered amplified?

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yes. >> hey would need to.

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be ike a car tereo right? Correct. It would need to e turned

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down. .

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>> you need to hear it off site. So you can't hear it outside.

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well that's fine I mean I'm okay with that I just I don't want to if somebody does have a

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little coffee truck and they have people staying there for a few minutes talking I you know

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and they have a little bit of jazz music playing in the background.

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all anybody's complaining about that but they are. Complaining one of those that

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huh so can you tell me where there's one.

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>> right by gator joe's on like we are. Yeah lady in the and she's

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she's got one yeah there you go. And we can exempt the ice.

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cream truck. >> oh no.

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yeah we we'll be okay. >> with the ice cream truck

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because they play music all the time. That's how we know they're

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coming. Yeah. All right.

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good. >> we're covering.

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>> on that. I think they're playing unless we get a bunch of complaints.

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I think we're okay with plainly audible. Okay.

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gotcha. >> uh.

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>> you. >> uh those are all the

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proposed changes for the section okay. Or any other questions?

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any other questions? Commissioners for staff? If not, I got some folks signed

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up. Uh, don landry uh, and then butch torched.

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uh, you can both come to the podiums uh, right here and right here.

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you get two minutes to speak if you please give your name and address for the record for the

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clerk of the court, please. Good morning, john. Landry 11930 southeast 123rd at

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arthur aw. Thank you sir. So I'm.

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>> with sprinkles ice cream. And we have a powerful.

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>> put in there. Uh it's been there for.

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>> over nine. Years and now all f a sudden we can't have a power pole.

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or they're not wanting to. Power pole.

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>> they're I don't understand. Why not? Sir?

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>> it's because it's supposed to be temporary. Probably power pole makes it

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permanent, but, uh, I'll ask staff once we're done with this and I don't know what the issue

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is exactly. Uh, I don't know either. Uh, they don't want no more

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power pole there. Um.

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>> we made a few runs off the power pole, but there should be no reason.

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duke energy. Put the power pole there. Marion county, uh, allowed the

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power pole would be there. >> I'm not even sure how you

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got a power pole and I'm in a blank spot on I. Purchased a trailer, came with

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the pole. >> uh, okay.

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um, but I do ice cream so without the power there and shutting down, unplugging and

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moving every day, it's going to be a little difficult, right? I don't know.

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oh, you. Stay there pretty consistently but you do move for events uh,

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about how it works. Well, the we're there all the time.

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w don't we don't do events. Okay okay. Yeah.

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so you probably we probably just need to have a pecial use permit if you need power and

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and you're in a permanent you're in a semi-permanent location.

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yeah probably we just need a special use permit for that particular entity because it's

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different than probably the classification we're trying to address in food trucks right.

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so we need to figure that out okay. That's it for.

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me that's good feedback thank you sir thank you. Um margaret is up next over

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here yes sir. I don't know do you.

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>> have a name and address for the record? Uh.

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but to say. Um 17320 northeast 37 court citra.

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thank you sir. Um.

432
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:30,109
>> I'll shorten this down. Um, if my food truck leaves the property every night, is it

433
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:33,679
still considered temporary if I return regularly? Yes, I believe every night.

434
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:36,182
but I come back to the same spot every day. Yes, sir.

435
00:56:36,182 --> 00:56:39,182
okay. >> that's my understanding I

436
00:56:40,787 --> 00:56:43,923
will I will get corrected. Staff will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's

437
00:56:43,923 --> 00:56:46,192
correct. Yeah, because I was trying to figure out at what point does a

438
00:56:46,192 --> 00:56:48,994
rear crank food truck location become not perating on a temporary basis?

439
00:56:48,994 --> 00:56:51,431
yes, sir. >> as long as you can move,

440
00:56:51,431 --> 00:56:53,431
it's temporary. Okay.

441
00:56:53,532 --> 00:56:57,904
> um, and how does this affect food trucks hat are operating at established businesses?

442
00:56:57,904 --> 00:57:01,273
um. >> as far as the like how many

443
00:57:01,273 --> 00:57:06,790
foods how many customer parking spots are required and ada spots are required if we're

444
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:09,749
operating at an already established business. Um yes sir.

445
00:57:09,749 --> 00:57:14,954
so as we talked about earlier, I think robin is just looking to make sure that t's adequate

446
00:57:14,954 --> 00:57:19,826
parking and that it is accessible um and meaning that we're not parking vehicles in

447
00:57:19,826 --> 00:57:22,228
the right of way in those things. So if you're at an established

448
00:57:22,228 --> 00:57:25,832
business it's probably even easier because it's got a parking lot and people can pull

449
00:57:25,832 --> 00:57:30,170
into those spots so that shouldn't be an issue. Um, but we can.

450
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:33,340
>> I can get. Some staff feedback if there are issues.

451
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:35,574
okay. >> um and he mentioned earlier

452
00:57:35,574 --> 00:57:40,313
about the overnight storage that it has to go inside. So if my trailer is parked

453
00:57:40,313 --> 00:57:44,384
overnight I do obviously barbecue and tacos. Yes sir.

454
00:57:44,384 --> 00:57:49,550
so I have refrigeration and a freezer in my trailer. If my trailer is going to be

455
00:57:49,550 --> 00:57:52,525
parked there overnight I can leave my food inside that refrigerator freezer inside my

456
00:57:52,525 --> 00:57:56,596
trailer. I believe so. Okay well I said.

457
00:57:56,596 --> 00:57:59,132
>> it's contained. It's contained. Okay because it said it can't

458
00:57:59,132 --> 00:58:02,402
be on site overnight so I just want to make sure. It's not permitted.

459
00:58:02,402 --> 00:58:06,940
oh it does say it's not for me all right so we'll we'll talk with staff about that.

460
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:13,790
so basically leaving. You want to leave food in your refrigerator on your trailer

461
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:17,150
overnight. That could be an issue okay. We need to address that and

462
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:22,622
look at it sir okay. Um and it said about the signs I'm assuming that it's just

463
00:58:22,622 --> 00:58:26,250
signs that aren't attached to the trailer because ike my menu board is attached to my

464
00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:28,895
trailer. Does that count against my six square feet?

465
00:58:28,895 --> 00:58:32,197
that's a great question. Let's have that answered. Okay.

466
00:58:32,197 --> 00:58:39,705
>> um and if a special use permit or a minor a major site plan is required who has to

467
00:58:39,705 --> 00:58:45,711
obtain it? Is it the third truck? You're talking about of more

468
00:58:45,711 --> 00:58:49,248
than the two trucks parked there? Yeah it says it you know and.

469
00:58:49,248 --> 00:58:54,319
so the the um the. At the end of the day. Uh quite onestly the unless

470
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:58,991
the food trucks are the property owner the property owner has to do it.

471
00:58:58,991 --> 00:59:04,620
so if if the property owner makes the decision to allow more than two trucks then they

472
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:09,602
are obligating themselves as the property owner with in all honesty I don't know that

473
00:59:09,602 --> 00:59:13,806
the county cares. Who they leased to and how ll that works.

474
00:59:13,806 --> 00:59:18,344
we care to make sure that the infrastructure that's our that's what we have to make

475
00:59:18,344 --> 00:59:21,680
sure is done right. So it would be the onus of the property owner.

476
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,629
okay so therefore the special use permit stays with the property owner not the

477
00:59:25,629 --> 00:59:28,832
individual food truck. That's correct yeah no special use permit would be to the food

478
00:59:28,832 --> 00:59:34,104
truck unless it was the entity that owned the property okay. And how do we verify before

479
00:59:34,104 --> 00:59:38,374
setting up whether or not a special use permit? It's been a call to our growth

480
00:59:38,374 --> 00:59:43,747
services department okay. Or an email and we an verify any special use permit.

481
00:59:43,747 --> 00:59:46,850
okay so now I just need to make sure I get his contact. Absolutely yes.

482
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:50,354
our team would be more than happy to help you. All right.

483
00:59:50,354 --> 00:59:53,190
if you're looking for if you're you know if you're looking for a piece of property.

484
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:56,460
yes. Well and I also think that it would be something if that they

485
00:59:56,460 --> 01:00:00,130
need that would need to be a conversation they would need to have with the property owner

486
01:00:00,130 --> 01:00:03,133
as well. Yeah because they don't know what a property owners thinking

487
01:00:03,133 --> 01:00:07,404
and a property owner might say sure you're good and then ll of a sudden he's got three

488
01:00:07,404 --> 01:00:09,940
trucks in there. >> and they might not know and.

489
01:00:09,940 --> 01:00:14,278
he's getting t code enforcements coming right and saying hey you're not in

490
01:00:14,278 --> 01:00:19,683
compliance. So and they're in you you lie on the property because the

491
01:00:19,683 --> 01:00:21,850
property. >> owner had to figure out

492
01:00:21,850 --> 01:00:23,887
which one they don't want any longer. Well you might have a property

493
01:00:23,887 --> 01:00:26,757
owner in new york and then you got three businesses renting that property from said

494
01:00:26,757 --> 01:00:29,226
property owner. It's not even in the state of florida.

495
01:00:29,226 --> 01:00:35,599
yeah and we will notice that property owner because we can't all right are as far s our

496
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,360
process goes it has to o to the property owner. It can't go to the food trucks

497
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,873
now we can cite you for other things operationally but we can't cite you.

498
01:00:42,873 --> 01:00:46,310
for um. The property piece I don't think.

499
01:00:46,310 --> 01:00:48,711
I know we'll find out though. Yeah.

500
01:00:48,711 --> 01:00:52,549
>> the only other thing I wanted clarification on um, is the tables and chairs.

501
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:57,454
I understand that miss bryant feels like people shouldn't be allowed to enjoy hanging out at

502
01:00:57,454 --> 01:01:00,791
a food trailer. Not but what I. Said occasionally.

503
01:01:00,791 --> 01:01:02,993
um. >> occasionally actually your

504
01:01:02,993 --> 01:01:06,263
words were that they should take their food when they're supposed.

505
01:01:06,263 --> 01:01:09,199
>> to be getting it. But I do understand sometimes people sit down and they

506
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:14,400
actually eat their food. But what my intention was so just so I can clarify it was

507
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,475
that it should it become a hangout spot because we did have a large area that ended up

508
01:01:18,475 --> 01:01:22,679
becoming a hangout spot. So I apologize if my words came out like that.

509
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,617
well ironically part of my business plan is I have a canopy set up with a

510
01:01:26,617 --> 01:01:33,157
self-contained battery operated down and there's ceiling fans- inside the canopy that are

511
01:01:33,157 --> 01:01:37,594
lighted to make people more comfortable because customer comfort is one f my things.

512
01:01:37,594 --> 01:01:42,599
and then I lso have standing bar height tables without chairs so that people

513
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:47,303
can actually stand there and eat food and perchance talk to each other nd hang out.

514
01:01:47,303 --> 01:01:50,507
yeah. >> so would that be permitted

515
01:01:50,507 --> 01:01:55,612
or is that one of those things that you want to prohibit. You can I mean under this thing

516
01:01:55,612 --> 01:01:59,383
at least what's proposed so far and we're and we're making adjustments but you would be

517
01:01:59,383 --> 01:02:05,655
able to have two of them if I understand correctly. Um but what is your

518
01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:09,960
recommendation? Well I'm just curious because my bar height tables are, u,

519
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,863
six feet long. So okay.

520
01:02:12,863 --> 01:02:16,540
>> it's for more than for people to be able to so if you can get at.

521
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:21,292
all I mean technically I don't think we're going to and that was the debate that they were

522
01:02:21,292 --> 01:02:23,294
having at the land development code. But you technically you could

523
01:02:23,294 --> 01:02:24,628
have two of them. Yep.

524
01:02:24,628 --> 01:02:29,166
>> but commissioner I mean what he just said he has is he's got a canopy and I'm assuming that

525
01:02:29,166 --> 01:02:34,572
canopy stays there every day. It sets up when I set up. Okay it sets up so you take it

526
01:02:34,572 --> 01:02:39,510
and does your truck stay there. So it's it's an outside area that you've created.

527
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:44,915
you have a anopy you have a fan you have misters. And you have the.

528
01:02:44,915 --> 01:02:49,887
table I have a 24 foot. I have a 24 foot food trailer with a smoker on the porch.

529
01:02:49,887 --> 01:02:56,327
okay off to the side of that I have actually 210 by ten canopies that I set up

530
01:02:56,327 --> 01:03:01,650
every morning with battery operated and misting systems. To keep people cool.

531
01:03:01,650 --> 01:03:07,938
we're ceiling fans inside the canopies and then the six foot bar height standing table so

532
01:03:07,938 --> 01:03:11,975
people can get their food and have somewhere to set it down and eat so you don't have to

533
01:03:11,975 --> 01:03:15,279
take it and run while at the same time I'm trying to cool them off a little bit

534
01:03:15,279 --> 01:03:18,816
because florida hot. Oh well because you're putting it up and down every day.

535
01:03:18,816 --> 01:03:24,822
it's it's it's still a temporary use and your table seems fine to me we'll we'll

536
01:03:24,822 --> 01:03:28,759
just make sure that that's what we're looking at. Yeah I thought you were saying

537
01:03:28,759 --> 01:03:32,430
it was a permanent fixture and you're pulling your truck in every day.

538
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:34,364
that's what I heard the first. >> oh no, ma'am.

539
01:03:34,364 --> 01:03:35,700
sorry. >> okay.

540
01:03:35,700 --> 01:03:38,436
>> we'll address those questions with staff there writing them down.

541
01:03:38,436 --> 01:03:41,436
thank you. Um. Megan's next.

542
01:03:41,506 --> 01:03:43,506
yes, ma'am. >> hi.

543
01:03:43,741 --> 01:03:46,900
>> good morning. Good morning. I'm argaret renard.

544
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:50,347
I am a lifelong resident here in marion county and I own not. One but.

545
01:03:50,347 --> 01:03:56,120
>> two food trucks. Um, my address is 4001 southeast 20th terrace here in

546
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:01,992
ocala. Um, I think that one of the things that we haven't talked a

547
01:04:01,992 --> 01:04:03,794
lot about you guys have mentioned.

548
01:04:03,794 --> 01:04:09,400
>> it a few times though. A lot of the language in the proposed ordinance is not

549
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:16,139
specific enough. Um, item article number nine in here you need to define what

550
01:04:16,139 --> 01:04:22,546
temporary actually. Means because as you can see here from today from the

551
01:04:22,546 --> 01:04:24,215
comments that you're hearing there's.

552
01:04:24,215 --> 01:04:27,551
>> a lot of. Confusion as to is my is my business temporary?

553
01:04:27,551 --> 01:04:30,821
am I mobile enough? Is it permanent? I understand there's been

554
01:04:30,821 --> 01:04:35,621
issues with several. Um both formal. And informal.

555
01:04:36,927 --> 01:04:42,320
food truck parks but part of that. Language stipulate it's very.

556
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:47,104
contradictory in that section. Being temporary is okay. So you can have.

557
01:04:47,104 --> 01:04:50,341
>> more. Than two. Or can you not because f.

558
01:04:50,341 --> 01:04:53,777
you're two trucks. Set up at one location or two vendors.

559
01:04:53,777 --> 01:04:55,179
>> a farm. >> tent, whatever the case

560
01:04:55,179 --> 01:04:58,490
might be do you now are you. Now considered a food truck park?

561
01:04:58,490 --> 01:05:03,553
they are separate things. I pop up on occasion. With my friends.

562
01:05:03,553 --> 01:05:08,799
from red riding coffee. That's two of us now what if what if our riend who makes

563
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:16,173
soap brings her tent and sets up to do we need a special use. Permit or are.

564
01:05:16,173 --> 01:05:19,643
we still temporary. Enough that we don't require that so.

565
01:05:19,643 --> 01:05:22,279
>> that language needs to be. >> a little bit more specific

566
01:05:22,279 --> 01:05:29,219
so that vendors know exactly regulation is fine. It's necessary in many cases we

567
01:05:29,219 --> 01:05:31,321
many of us will follow. > the rules.

568
01:05:31,321 --> 01:05:32,622
but we need. >> to.

569
01:05:32,622 --> 01:05:36,860
understand what's being expected of us. But second to that something

570
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:39,496
that's not been talked about and. Forgive me if I missed

571
01:05:39,496 --> 01:05:41,565
something and. Didn't read it that there.

572
01:05:41,565 --> 01:05:43,133
>> had. Been a change. But isn't.

573
01:05:43,133 --> 01:05:47,104
there something about notarized permission from the. Parcel owner for every

574
01:05:47,104 --> 01:05:52,504
time somebody sets up somewhere? Is that part of.

575
01:05:52,943 --> 01:06:01,510
oh I haven't seen it but. Yeah so. Yeah and part of the problem is

576
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:06,790
and that's what we were talking about is that it's it it's hard for us right just just like

577
01:06:06,790 --> 01:06:13,597
anything else we can enforce regulation land development cde on the property owner

578
01:06:13,597 --> 01:06:17,300
right. We don't go and get in the middle of the business if

579
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:22,139
publix leases part of their space to some other folks in the shopping center right where

580
01:06:22,139 --> 01:06:27,277
but if the shopping center is out of compliance we got to go to he owner nd they have

581
01:06:27,277 --> 01:06:31,382
to fix it with their tenant. And so that's the process that that we're in.

582
01:06:31,382 --> 01:06:35,819
so yeah we don't. We don't like go to the property owner and check and

583
01:06:35,819 --> 01:06:39,689
see if they have a notarized agreement with ou and then try to get in the middle of your

584
01:06:39,689 --> 01:06:43,259
agreement and make sure you e we don't police that. No, I completely.

585
01:06:43,259 --> 01:06:47,631
understand that and I understand from the comments that we've had today, the

586
01:06:47,631 --> 01:06:53,170
majority of the language of this ordinance is to address these quote unquote food truck

587
01:06:53,170 --> 01:06:57,107
parks whether they're formal or informal. However, the language is

588
01:06:57,107 --> 01:07:05,149
extremely broad and it does put every food truck or roadside vendor it makes them question

589
01:07:05,149 --> 01:07:10,320
what is allowed for them and it's a hardship if. I so I'm I'm very mobile

590
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,591
completely mobile I own a dessert trailer a bakery. And a.

591
01:07:14,591 --> 01:07:18,128
mobile ice cream shop. Which hasn't even opened its. Doors yet.

592
01:07:18,128 --> 01:07:25,602
I've spent substantial money on my brand, on my trailers, on just hard work and I know that

593
01:07:25,602 --> 01:07:31,800
every other food truck person in here or oadside vendor has done the same trying to build.

594
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:33,443
something for themselves. >> or for their families.

595
01:07:33,443 --> 01:07:37,147
absolutely. >> so to most of the time when

596
01:07:37,147 --> 01:07:42,820
I'm setting up it's a casual text to a friend hey jana, can. I set up at your place on

597
01:07:42,820 --> 01:07:45,956
saturday? Yeah, you're good to go. No problem.

598
01:07:45,956 --> 01:07:51,280
so now jana who rents her. Building it is a commercial property.

599
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:52,896
she leases. >> her property.

600
01:07:52,896 --> 01:07:57,901
do I now need to go to the parcel. Owner and get a notarized

601
01:07:57,901 --> 01:08:01,870
document from said parcel owner. Or what's so.

602
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:04,991
why is specifically the owner? Why not an. Authorized manager or.

603
01:08:04,991 --> 01:08:07,660
I don't even see it in here. We don't have.

604
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:11,130
>> that language so you don't have to get me no no I. Where do I have it at

605
01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:13,933
chris because I've read through it. Where is that in there

606
01:08:13,933 --> 01:08:18,204
somewhere can. See es that is um in part b section.

607
01:08:18,204 --> 01:08:24,711
b okay I missed it too so I apologize. I want to make sure we're

608
01:08:24,711 --> 01:08:29,482
addressing language that's not prohibitive because where I still don't want to say it's

609
01:08:29,482 --> 01:08:34,353
not in our. Yeah it's not where we are though can.

610
01:08:34,353 --> 01:08:37,557
it's just. >> not in the published stuff.

611
01:08:37,557 --> 01:08:43,763
it is not in what is published right here in my docs. Okay so what yeah so where is

612
01:08:43,763 --> 01:08:46,366
it what section of what line is it. It's b but it.

613
01:08:46,366 --> 01:08:50,637
comes right after that online not here for us. Okay okay I got it man.

614
01:08:50,637 --> 01:08:58,310
thank you. So so we were removing um proposed language I think it's

615
01:08:58,310 --> 01:09:02,782
proposed language of uh this facility shall e located on private property which is

616
01:09:02,782 --> 01:09:05,918
either owned or leased by the vendor. So there would be some kind of

617
01:09:05,918 --> 01:09:11,824
a lease agreement. Um, and instead we're adding otain notarized written

618
01:09:11,824 --> 01:09:17,960
permission from the parcel owner because there was a there's concern that there are

619
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:23,836
vendors who are just pulling up on vacant properties where the owner may be absentee, may even

620
01:09:23,836 --> 01:09:27,406
live out of town and they have no idea what's going on. So it's just a question of do

621
01:09:27,406 --> 01:09:31,877
you actually have the owner's property, um, permission to remain on their property?

622
01:09:31,877 --> 01:09:36,516
okay, I see what you're trying to get to. And through the ldc.

623
01:09:36,516 --> 01:09:43,890
um the notarized part came that was an agreement. So that's a decision that we're

624
01:09:43,890 --> 01:09:47,559
looking for the board for direction on. Ten is that for every time they

625
01:09:47,559 --> 01:09:52,765
come on and off the property or was it just like uh they could. There's an easy ix for that.

626
01:09:52,765 --> 01:09:56,769
banket permit just to add vendor shall obtain notarized.

627
01:09:56,769 --> 01:09:59,772
>> written. Permission from the parcel owner.

628
01:09:59,772 --> 01:10:05,978
slash or representative. But I don't know if it needs to be notarized.

629
01:10:05,978 --> 01:10:09,648
how about just written. Permission from the owner slash representative?

630
01:10:09,648 --> 01:10:14,520
yeah I mean do y'all want it to be notarized? Then you can make it up.

631
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,390
yeah, I'm gonna. Say how uch do you want o police it?

632
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:23,790
yeah, I. Kow what. Problem we're we trying to

633
01:10:24,196 --> 01:10:25,864
solve here though. Let's let's just talk about.

634
01:10:25,864 --> 01:10:30,136
>> people pulling up on property and property that they don't have permission from the

635
01:10:30,136 --> 01:10:36,750
owner or a representative and just setting up shop and it's bad actors, right?

636
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:41,475
that's what this all comes down to. And as.

637
01:10:42,140 --> 01:10:48,907
usual when we have to take care of that it always the uintended consequences affect

638
01:10:48,907 --> 01:10:52,745
the people that are following the rules. Commissioners I think it's the

639
01:10:52,745 --> 01:10:57,449
duty of the property owner to make sure that their property is secured.

640
01:10:57,449 --> 01:11:03,550
and f they didn't if they're if they're having a problem with this they need to go fix

641
01:11:03,550 --> 01:11:05,256
it. They need to put up a fence and a gate on their property and

642
01:11:05,256 --> 01:11:06,658
that allow people to. >> pull up.

643
01:11:06,658 --> 01:11:10,620
>> on their I think the problem that we've had though and ask robin about it yeah I mean you

644
01:11:10,620 --> 01:11:13,799
might as well bring robin up. She's probably the one that's had issues with it right.

645
01:11:13,799 --> 01:11:19,905
and and this. Is a business I mean businesses do have to take certain.

646
01:11:19,905 --> 01:11:22,674
steps o operate. Just like.

647
01:11:22,674 --> 01:11:24,610
>> a brick. And mortar business. That's true.

648
01:11:24,610 --> 01:11:32,410
I'm not trying to overextend. For the business. So I I'm in agreement.

649
01:11:36,321 --> 01:11:40,359
but you know it will be interesting right? Especially for the folks that

650
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:47,990
are very mobile then that means single time right?ure out every- I mean every single time you

651
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:53,205
know I mean any of these folks are somewhere else, you know? I mean every time you

652
01:11:53,205 --> 01:11:55,374
go somewhere then you have to have. Well but if they're.

653
01:11:55,374 --> 01:12:00,712
on site at a business yeah, they already have the permission and the business is

654
01:12:00,712 --> 01:12:04,316
open I got to step inside and prove that. But if you're on a vacant piece

655
01:12:04,316 --> 01:12:08,387
of property then that's where. >> it becomes questionable.

656
01:12:08,387 --> 01:12:11,390
>> who then. Can we specify that language? Because I completely.

657
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:16,528
understand where the concern comes from and I agree I do think that.

658
01:12:16,528 --> 01:12:19,732
>> the. Land owner does have a certain responsibility and I think that

659
01:12:19,732 --> 01:12:22,434
the law protects them. Should they file a complaint they.

660
01:12:22,434 --> 01:12:26,939
can put it in a trespass request and then if somebody breaks that rule.

661
01:12:26,939 --> 01:12:28,940
then they have to. >> pay the consequences for

662
01:12:28,940 --> 01:12:33,780
that for being a bad operator as you said. But for me to have to go and

663
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:37,215
get paperwork notarized every. >> single time that I'm going

664
01:12:37,215 --> 01:12:39,818
to set up and that might be 3 or 4 locations. In a week.

665
01:12:39,818 --> 01:12:44,223
and maybe eight. I own two. Trucks and it's not like they

666
01:12:44,223 --> 01:12:50,290
can just take a paper. Well maybe they could attest to it.

667
01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:53,899
maybe you could be the one attesting to it that you've received permission but it's

668
01:12:53,899 --> 01:12:57,970
still your take. It can be very blanket. Of you have permission to use

669
01:12:57,970 --> 01:13:01,406
this property t your discretion. Certainly and.

670
01:13:01,406 --> 01:13:03,842
>> being able. To say that we have to.

671
01:13:03,842 --> 01:13:07,120
>> get permission I'm a fan. >> of even to a certain.

672
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,184
extent having to prove. That you have said permission but the step of actually asking

673
01:13:12,184 --> 01:13:13,986
us to. >> have it notarized.

674
01:13:13,986 --> 01:13:16,722
>> for every single time that we're. Setting up or even say hey,

675
01:13:16,722 --> 01:13:21,127
it's blanket you can set up. Here anytime. Nonetheless, if I'm setting up

676
01:13:21,127 --> 01:13:24,396
at eight. Locations in a week. I am a tiny business that I

677
01:13:24,396 --> 01:13:27,867
now. Have to find a. Notary, coordinate multiple

678
01:13:27,867 --> 01:13:29,668
schedules. Pay said. Notary as.

679
01:13:29,668 --> 01:13:34,339
an extra. Expense to my small business. Well it's a hardship you know

680
01:13:34,339 --> 01:13:38,377
it's not ne time. If it is a blanket you have permission to use that

681
01:13:38,377 --> 01:13:40,378
poperty. >> one not for that one

682
01:13:40,378 --> 01:13:43,682
business and by nature. Were mobile. So do you have to.

683
01:13:43,682 --> 01:13:46,118
carry insurance. >> I do okay.

684
01:13:46,118 --> 01:13:51,190
and all those papers have to be on site with you and okay this is no different.

685
01:13:51,190 --> 01:13:52,958
it becomes a. Piece of.

686
01:13:52,958 --> 01:13:59,231
>> paper that you pull out and show I have permission to use this property and again it

687
01:13:59,231 --> 01:14:02,768
doesn't have to be date specific. I have permission to use this

688
01:14:02,768 --> 01:14:04,503
property. >> I don't have an issue with

689
01:14:04,503 --> 01:14:06,572
that. My issue. Is again the.

690
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:11,110
notarization one. Time you get it notarized. One time ma'am.

691
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:14,646
just like. >> you got if the eal if you

692
01:14:14,646 --> 01:14:16,449
had. >> any if every store that you

693
01:14:16,449 --> 01:14:20,319
went to you had to get your your receipt notarized. Would you have an issue with

694
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:22,654
that? That's not what we're talking about.

695
01:14:22,654 --> 01:14:24,590
even if you only had to do it one.

696
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:25,791
>> time when you went to walmart.

697
01:14:25,791 --> 01:14:28,160
>> one time when you went to publix. That's what I'm talking about,

698
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:29,528
ma'am. That's not what.

699
01:14:29,528 --> 01:14:31,130
>> we're talking about there. So is there.

700
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:32,397
>> anything else that you need? Yes.

701
01:14:32,397 --> 01:14:34,266
>> so yeah a couple. >> of things.

702
01:14:34,266 --> 01:14:39,604
some of the regulation that's in here is being duplicated by dpr um and.

703
01:14:39,604 --> 01:14:44,243
the department of agriculture. So for example. The expectation of restrooms

704
01:14:44,243 --> 01:14:48,481
once you exceed the threshold of two employees we are here are.

705
01:14:48,481 --> 01:14:52,284
expectations already. >> in the laws that govern us

706
01:14:52,284 --> 01:14:56,555
as food businesses. So it's redundant. It's not I mean do it if you

707
01:14:56,555 --> 01:14:57,622
want it's just. A statement.

708
01:14:57,622 --> 01:14:58,723
>> that. It is edundant.

709
01:14:58,723 --> 01:15:01,560
>> but we. Need it in our codes in order for our code enforcement to be

710
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:05,697
able to enforce it okay. Unlike state statute they're there folks will be able to

711
01:15:05,697 --> 01:15:09,701
force it. So lot of our ordinances and laws follow that of state

712
01:15:09,701 --> 01:15:11,970
statute okay. And then it was.

713
01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:15,140
>> brought up. So I just want to kind of touch on it and um just.

714
01:15:15,140 --> 01:15:20,790
reiterate or say for from my end. The sound.

715
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:23,150
ordinance I think that kind. >> of goes back to.

716
01:15:23,150 --> 01:15:26,985
again duplicating law. And regulation. There is an.

717
01:15:26,985 --> 01:15:31,556
expectation by every. Business, every. Person that you follow.

718
01:15:31,556 --> 01:15:34,126
the rules of. >> code enforcement and.

719
01:15:34,126 --> 01:15:37,329
if someone is violating that. There are already. Regulations in.

720
01:15:37,329 --> 01:15:40,199
place to address it already addressed it. We did.

721
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,734
but yes, you've addressed it with.

722
01:15:42,734 --> 01:15:44,235
>> the. Statement that you want to add regulations.

723
01:15:44,235 --> 01:15:45,270
I'm going. >> to.

724
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:50,275
we're just going to follow the noise. When we had a conversation when

725
01:15:50,275 --> 01:15:53,111
robin came up. Okay I appreciate that. And I.

726
01:15:53,111 --> 01:15:56,281
just ask that you consider it. >> that every grouping of food.

727
01:15:56,281 --> 01:16:02,265
trucks or vendors. Is not a food truck park. So consider that as this is

728
01:16:02,265 --> 01:16:03,733
redrafted. Um.

729
01:16:03,733 --> 01:16:06,569
>> to be specific about what addresses foods. You know, food.

730
01:16:06,569 --> 01:16:11,841
truck parks as opposed to. Groupings or smaller. Groupings in the community of

731
01:16:11,841 --> 01:16:13,643
food. Trucks and vendors. Okay.

732
01:16:13,643 --> 01:16:15,445
>> thank you. >> thank you.

733
01:16:15,445 --> 01:16:20,845
megan and rachel. Uh, megan knits, 65 olive road ocala.

734
01:16:23,153 --> 01:16:26,523
uh, a lot of what I was going to bring up is actually already been addressed.

735
01:16:26,523 --> 01:16:31,995
I have a question of when it's two or more does that count as far as food trucks serving

736
01:16:31,995 --> 01:16:37,801
burgers, things like that or is that could also include things like what we do with the frozen

737
01:16:37,801 --> 01:16:40,437
kiwi. We do desserts, we do ice cream, we do drinks.

738
01:16:40,437 --> 01:16:42,938
how is that going to be navigated?

739
01:16:42,938 --> 01:16:46,176
>> I don't think food type matters okay? It's just how many.

740
01:16:46,176 --> 01:16:50,120
because again just like. Before you know we. Collaborate with other food

741
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,284
vendors we brings in the crowd, it brings in income from us but this is our primary source of

742
01:16:54,284 --> 01:16:57,219
income. So we do want to make sure that we're following rules but we

743
01:16:57,219 --> 01:17:00,423
also want make sure it's going to be profitable for us as well as business owners.

744
01:17:00,423 --> 01:17:03,426
another question that I have and this will probably be my last one everything kind of got

745
01:17:03,426 --> 01:17:07,630
addressed already. Um as far as school events, sporting events, churches,

746
01:17:07,630 --> 01:17:10,300
apartment complexes, things like that. If there are more than two

747
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:14,304
trucks how are we going to address that for like more private areas like schools and

748
01:17:14,304 --> 01:17:18,508
churches things like that for carnivals, community events a lot of times they have more

749
01:17:18,508 --> 01:17:20,420
than two food trucks. Yes ma'am.

750
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:24,242
>> that's probably addressed when that. School or.

751
01:17:25,115 --> 01:17:28,384
apartment complex generally they'll come in for a special event.

752
01:17:28,384 --> 01:17:30,520
permit okay. What about.

753
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:35,250
>> like local church fairs things like that and such same kind of thing.

754
01:17:35,250 --> 01:17:38,661
it should be we'll we'll work through the clarification. I think that was the other

755
01:17:38,661 --> 01:17:42,265
point of several of the other vendors is that we just need to clarify some of that language

756
01:17:42,265 --> 01:17:43,466
to make it more. Okay.

757
01:17:43,466 --> 01:17:50,206
>> in general I would even say I mean that goes back to the property owner that is inviting

758
01:17:50,206 --> 01:17:53,743
you on. So it wouldn't fall to the food truck.

759
01:17:53,743 --> 01:17:59,140
>> and what we're talking about as far as food truck park is is more so not really a emporary

760
01:17:59,140 --> 01:18:01,751
event right? You're having an event on a weekend and you go to that.

761
01:18:01,751 --> 01:18:04,754
we're not talking about events. We're talking about people that are set up.

762
01:18:04,754 --> 01:18:10,326
yeah I'm for. And in most of the cases that we're having issues with

763
01:18:10,326 --> 01:18:13,396
they're set up for a long period. They're basically not moving

764
01:18:13,396 --> 01:18:19,369
and they're setting up two, three 4 or 5 trucks and they're just parking there and they

765
01:18:19,369 --> 01:18:23,639
don't move them and they become by essence a restaurant. Yeah right.

766
01:18:23,639 --> 01:18:27,444
and that's that's the difference. And so we need to clarify that

767
01:18:27,444 --> 01:18:31,381
we need to make sure the law that we want to work through is very clear about the

768
01:18:31,381 --> 01:18:35,518
differences between it doesn't matter if ten of you re getting set up for, you know,

769
01:18:35,518 --> 01:18:38,721
marion county day or whatever else or 4th of july. Right?

770
01:18:38,721 --> 01:18:40,523
that's an event. >> okay.

771
01:18:40,523 --> 01:18:45,662
what we're worried of what we're talking about is what a food truck park is and then if

772
01:18:45,662 --> 01:18:49,746
they want to become a food truck park, then they need to go through the proper

773
01:18:49,746 --> 01:18:53,817
regulation process for that. So we're trying that's why we're having these meetings so

774
01:18:53,817 --> 01:18:57,870
we can get your input to make this all better. Yes ma'am.

775
01:18:57,870 --> 01:18:59,756
thank you. >> my name is rachel next 13

776
01:18:59,756 --> 01:19:07,970
for drive. Um I have red riding coffee and have been invited to the rose

777
01:19:07,970 --> 01:19:11,101
barn drive-thru flower shop that recently opened this year and.

778
01:19:11,101 --> 01:19:15,672
we collaborate together. I advertise for for them. They advertise for us.

779
01:19:15,672 --> 01:19:20,309
I's just a really good combination and the community like we have just been loved on

780
01:19:20,309 --> 01:19:25,916
by the community so much that it's just been growing. We're out there about three

781
01:19:25,916 --> 01:19:34,240
days a week thursday friday from 630 in the morning till like two saturday from 9 to 3.

782
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,527
um unless we get hired for an event. .

783
01:19:37,527 --> 01:19:41,531
but again the person leasing that property invited us to come.

784
01:19:41,531 --> 01:19:47,404
so just to clarify as far as like the representative would that be the person

785
01:19:47,404 --> 01:19:54,911
leasing the property or is it still like somebody from the property owners like office?

786
01:19:54,911 --> 01:20:00,883
I mean technically it would still be the property owner but maybe again maybe we can tweak

787
01:20:00,883 --> 01:20:03,953
that language and maybe we just need to have something in there it.

788
01:20:03,953 --> 01:20:06,890
shouldn't be a representative should be if.

789
01:20:06,890 --> 01:20:10,961
>> somebody is leasing a property they have the authority and.

790
01:20:10,961 --> 01:20:13,363
>> they were to use. >> that property and they can.

791
01:20:13,363 --> 01:20:16,499
so yeah I mean. I don't know what's in.

792
01:20:16,499 --> 01:20:18,969
>> there. And I don't think it should fall back on the food truck

793
01:20:18,969 --> 01:20:23,740
vendor if they've been invited by that business to be on site. Right.

794
01:20:23,740 --> 01:20:27,577
they're not I think. >> we can maybe solve that by

795
01:20:27,577 --> 01:20:30,914
just saying hey, if they got invited or something else basically just having that

796
01:20:30,914 --> 01:20:34,785
information there that the code enforcement officer when they come up if they have a question

797
01:20:34,785 --> 01:20:38,188
they come up and you can say hey I was invited by this person.

798
01:20:38,188 --> 01:20:41,124
there's a name and phone number. You give them a call a code

799
01:20:41,124 --> 01:20:43,259
enforcement officer checks keep going.

800
01:20:43,259 --> 01:20:44,994
>> yeah I think. Maybe we can.

801
01:20:44,994 --> 01:20:48,131
>> solve it at anybody. And then actually the owner of the property comes and gets

802
01:20:48,131 --> 01:20:50,133
coffee from s. Sure. Same with his office.

803
01:20:50,133 --> 01:20:52,533
yeah. >> um, and then.

804
01:20:53,103 --> 01:20:57,607
to what is the maximum number of days that you can be there because I like.

805
01:20:57,607 --> 01:21:02,145
for me to set up my husband and I built our trailer so it's not typical.

806
01:21:02,145 --> 01:21:06,149
um, we converted a horse trailer. It's all wood on the inside.

807
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:08,840
it's a lot of work. I work.

808
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,688
>> like 16 18 hour days. I have a full time job and I do this on the side trying to

809
01:21:11,688 --> 01:21:16,493
build it up, but it's like a two hour process between packing it up, bringing it, you

810
01:21:16,493 --> 01:21:21,564
know, going and dumping, refilling, bringing it there, setting it up and then

811
01:21:21,564 --> 01:21:25,101
basically closing it back up getting it ready for shop. It's probably about a three

812
01:21:25,101 --> 01:21:31,174
hour deal to have to move it every so often like it's. Like aren't you moving it once

813
01:21:31,174 --> 01:21:34,121
a week anyway or are you leaving it there all the time?

814
01:21:34,121 --> 01:21:37,458
>> well I'm leaving it there for about three days straight right now for if it's just.

815
01:21:37,458 --> 01:21:40,194
>> too hot to pack up because. Sometimes I'm just like I'm done.

816
01:21:40,194 --> 01:21:45,700
but I was looking into maybe adding like a ednesday but now I was like after seeing this

817
01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:50,700
yesterday I was flipping out thinking we're done. Like are you moving it once a

818
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:54,608
week? Yes okay I again we need to tweak that but I think that's

819
01:21:54,608 --> 01:21:58,479
fine because that in my mind that still. That's still a temporary type

820
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,149
of thing. And I think some of the maybe the.

821
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:08,880
the reasoning behind we have a thank goodness we've been very blessed we haven't had

822
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,160
hurricanes or anything coming through if there is bad weather forecasted those things need to

823
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:19,100
be packed up, moved away or they become so I think that is another piece of why they need

824
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:23,370
to be mobile right? Even if it's sitting there consistently but you don't have

825
01:22:23,370 --> 01:22:27,141
the food on site. I mean all of that is addressed .

826
01:22:27,141 --> 01:22:31,445
it's got to be able to be moved immediately. That means the tires are ready

827
01:22:31,445 --> 01:22:34,480
. You hook it up. To the vehicle and it always

828
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:36,383
is. Exactly. So I think that is.

829
01:22:36,383 --> 01:22:40,454
and that's the spirit of temporary right is that it has to be wheels.

830
01:22:40,454 --> 01:22:49,960
so as far as electric. Light because I am a coffee trailer I have a generator on

831
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:53,000
my back. So when I'm in when I'm operating I have the generator

832
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:59,139
going but when I'm not the generator goes off. I plug in just a long extension

833
01:22:59,139 --> 01:23:03,760
cord. Is that an issue? You know.

834
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,714
>> I don't know I don't know if that's overed in our code or if that's an issue.

835
01:23:06,714 --> 01:23:12,860
I don't know that it is but we'll ask our team. Kind of safety issue I.

836
01:23:12,860 --> 01:23:14,210
>> don't I don't know if it's a. Safety issue but I'm sure I got

837
01:23:14,210 --> 01:23:17,924
you know I don't know there's there's all kinds of electrical code that I don't completely

838
01:23:17,924 --> 01:23:22,329
understand right? I mean. And it's just for refrigeration

839
01:23:22,329 --> 01:23:23,464
right. So.

840
01:23:23,464 --> 01:23:29,837
>> I an answer that one really quick in the existing code today they're not supposed to

841
01:23:29,837 --> 01:23:34,441
be connected to electric water or sewer. So they're supposed to be

842
01:23:34,441 --> 01:23:37,711
self-contained and not connected to anything. Okay that's.

843
01:23:37,711 --> 01:23:40,314
existing code today that part has not changed.

844
01:23:40,314 --> 01:23:48,189
>> gotcha. So just asking a question if we're not able to or if they're

845
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:53,194
not able to put electric in for people to hook up how can like why do we have that owntown?

846
01:23:53,194 --> 01:23:58,932
what's time. You have where we can hook up electric 50 and 30 amp

847
01:23:58,932 --> 01:24:01,302
downtown? Oh that's ot us that's the city of ocala.

848
01:24:01,302 --> 01:24:05,539
but I just I'm wondering like how that's how they're able to do that.

849
01:24:05,539 --> 01:24:10,811
>> but if. Say the rose balm wanted to put in that I still wouldn't be

850
01:24:10,811 --> 01:24:17,411
able to connect. Yeah we need obviously that's a great question.

851
01:24:18,285 --> 01:24:21,489
we need to we need to figure that out. Okay.

852
01:24:21,489 --> 01:24:26,846
>> um and then technically like the chairs and table. I think here we're going to

853
01:24:26,846 --> 01:24:30,983
end up just so you know, is that if you're oing to hook up to electric, you're probably

854
01:24:30,983 --> 01:24:34,530
going to have to force a special use permit. Okay.

855
01:24:34,530 --> 01:24:39,125
> but I'm not 100% sure yet. You mean. As in just taking an extension

856
01:24:39,125 --> 01:24:42,595
cord and plugging it in? Well, technically they shouldn't be plugging in an

857
01:24:42,595 --> 01:24:45,398
extension cord. Technically they should be the rose barn or somebody else

858
01:24:45,398 --> 01:24:48,734
should actually put a service in and you should plug in to that service right.

859
01:24:48,734 --> 01:24:51,371
like that's how it should work. Is that.

860
01:24:51,371 --> 01:24:56,275
>> what you do downtown? Yes I mean that's that's. Like an rv set up right down

861
01:24:56,275 --> 01:24:59,344
but that's what they actually have a 30 or 50 amp service you're.

862
01:24:59,344 --> 01:25:02,748
talking about down where the market is the market right. Yeah well I mean that's a.

863
01:25:02,748 --> 01:25:05,752
>> that's a market. I mean I know I mean I just didn't get.

864
01:25:05,752 --> 01:25:08,621
>> it's set up for that particular thing and so I. Think if if.

865
01:25:08,621 --> 01:25:11,758
you're going to want to use electric you would have to figure out the service the same

866
01:25:11,758 --> 01:25:15,627
thing this gentleman over here right he's got an ice cream shop and he's got to set up a

867
01:25:15,627 --> 01:25:19,899
service then those things are probably if you're going to plug n to a permanent

868
01:25:19,899 --> 01:25:24,170
structure you may have to get a special use permit for that. And so we're going to ave to

869
01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:27,373
figure out what the right code is for that I don't think that's necessarily addressed in

870
01:25:27,373 --> 01:25:31,911
in these comments today, but it's a great question that we're going to have to work

871
01:25:31,911 --> 01:25:32,778
through. Right.

872
01:25:32,778 --> 01:25:37,517
>> nd then as far as the for signs, if it's like a flag on the trailer which I don't have

873
01:25:37,517 --> 01:25:39,852
right now. Mhm. But if that was.

874
01:25:39,852 --> 01:25:43,622
attached to the trailer like that does that count as one of those signs.

875
01:25:43,622 --> 01:25:47,727
I'll ask our team is the same the same question. The gentleman had the same

876
01:25:47,727 --> 01:25:51,531
question over here in regards to the signage on the trailer itself if it counted or not.

877
01:25:51,531 --> 01:25:56,402
um I we need to make sure how our team is anticipating addressing that.

878
01:25:56,402 --> 01:26:00,372
and then. Let's see. I think there was um something

879
01:26:00,372 --> 01:26:04,430
about tents so like I'm licensed through dpr. Yep.

880
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:09,948
and I'm able to also have a tent set up somewhere else if I wanted to under the same

881
01:26:09,948 --> 01:26:12,484
license. Okay. So they just added that this

882
01:26:12,484 --> 01:26:14,190
year. Oh okay. Okay.

883
01:26:14,190 --> 01:26:18,900
>> um just because. It's like a separate location. It can be a separate location

884
01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:22,294
or it can even be same location. Um, if I wanted to say they

885
01:26:22,294 --> 01:26:27,566
have like a big event going on and I want to be set up one end to the other, okay, I'm able to

886
01:26:27,566 --> 01:26:32,966
do that. Um. And I think what I was.

887
01:26:33,171 --> 01:26:34,390
>> going. To ask.

888
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:39,979
>> do different rules apply to that? You mean same vendor wo spots

889
01:26:39,979 --> 01:26:45,685
on the same location though. I mean we follow all the rules through the dpr, right?

890
01:26:45,685 --> 01:26:50,990
we're going to have to have our team check. The db pr regulation and then

891
01:26:50,990 --> 01:26:54,794
maybe modify our code. Mister chair yes. When you're done answering that

892
01:26:54,794 --> 01:26:58,430
I want to ask staff a question. Okay go ahead. Let me let's just have her

893
01:26:58,430 --> 01:27:02,134
finish. And then I think I have one more question to um so at

894
01:27:02,134 --> 01:27:07,139
rotary baseball I did get approved for being a vendor there okay.

895
01:27:07,139 --> 01:27:12,645
so I was just told to contact the county every time I go out there.

896
01:27:12,645 --> 01:27:18,358
I mean that's still do the same thing. Yeah you can do that or we

897
01:27:18,358 --> 01:27:21,695
can set up a like if you're if you're if you're going to rotary and then we can just

898
01:27:21,695 --> 01:27:26,700
you go out there too if it's.- jim can. Probably jump on top of that

899
01:27:26,700 --> 01:27:31,838
work for that. Thank you ma'am thank you. Good morning.

900
01:27:31,838 --> 01:27:33,573
uh, jim. Coulthard, parks and.

901
01:27:33,573 --> 01:27:34,975
>> recreation director. >> we do have a.

902
01:27:34,975 --> 01:27:37,477
mobile food vendor packet. >> that we we issue.

903
01:27:37,477 --> 01:27:40,580
uh, we also work with our municipalities.

904
01:27:40,580 --> 01:27:44,184
>> even down in belleview. Uh, we work with. Down there, uh, chauncey.

905
01:27:44,184 --> 01:27:46,530
shawna chauncey. So if.

906
01:27:46,530 --> 01:27:49,522
>> people want to apply to have food trucks there you have to coordinate.

907
01:27:49,522 --> 01:27:52,926
to the city. Then they have our packet. A an overlap but it works out

908
01:27:52,926 --> 01:27:57,197
well okay. So they don't have to call every time necessarily once

909
01:27:57,197 --> 01:27:59,132
they get approved they're approved. How does that work?

910
01:27:59,132 --> 01:28:02,602
well we'd. Like to know the dates that they're having in there but

911
01:28:02,602 --> 01:28:05,605
we'll we'll keep the packet nd just make sure they're insurance and we do have

912
01:28:05,605 --> 01:28:08,408
background reason why we ave background screening requirements.

913
01:28:08,408 --> 01:28:12,110
we want to make sure that all those drivers are background screening if they're going to

914
01:28:12,110 --> 01:28:15,150
be in the parks um individually like that that's real important.

915
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:18,217
but once they go through the package they just need to notify us what things are going

916
01:28:18,217 --> 01:28:19,219
to be there. >> yes sir.

917
01:28:19,219 --> 01:28:21,821
and our staff is really great at walking people through the process.

918
01:28:21,821 --> 01:28:23,957
very helpful. Thank you.

919
01:28:23,957 --> 01:28:31,157
>> all right tiffany and todd are up next. It's it's tiffany here.

920
01:28:33,667 --> 01:28:37,904
oh okay. Come on down sir. Name and address for the

921
01:28:37,904 --> 01:28:39,904
record. Hi my.

922
01:28:41,707 --> 01:28:48,281
>> name is todd foster I own odd todd's over in salt springs 735 nfr 75 fort mccoy.

923
01:28:48,281 --> 01:28:52,852
um. I woke up the other morning to read this in the newspaper and

924
01:28:52,852 --> 01:28:53,653
I was. Like.

925
01:28:53,653 --> 01:28:59,392
>> holy cow, what's going on here? Um, I mean, I'm shocked uh, if

926
01:28:59,392 --> 01:29:05,465
you would go and look at our present um, on facebook google you would see a very successful

927
01:29:05,465 --> 01:29:11,271
business. Uh, and we uh, nine years ago we started actually a little

928
01:29:11,271 --> 01:29:17,310
over nine years ago we started this uh, process looking in multiple counties to find a

929
01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:25,840
location a complete atrix for every county that allows, uh, open air produce, uh, food

930
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:30,223
truck. Is it open ir? Uh or is it, uh, open air under

931
01:29:30,223 --> 01:29:34,270
an enclosure? Saint johns county has a huge matrix.

932
01:29:34,270 --> 01:29:41,234
we put um, hundreds of thousands of dollars we own uh uh, the whole front section of

933
01:29:41,234 --> 01:29:51,234
commercial property in salt springs uh, next to the sunoco um and when I woke up and I

934
01:29:51,711 --> 01:29:54,111
looked at this. Uh.

935
01:29:54,330 --> 01:29:57,667
>> I was like okay, what does this mean? So then I called down to the

936
01:29:57,667 --> 01:30:01,804
county. She said okay, go here and I and I, I read it my wife read

937
01:30:01,804 --> 01:30:08,578
it to me and everything that's in there is contradictory to what we started nine years ago.

938
01:30:08,578 --> 01:30:12,148
okay. All of the regulations and we don't move.

939
01:30:12,148 --> 01:30:18,870
I have two food trucks one for catering, one stays there okay so I'm one of those that maybe

940
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:22,291
is the bad guy that doesn't move but my place is very clean okay?

941
01:30:22,291 --> 01:30:26,829
it's very organized. It's uh um there's temporary tnts.

942
01:30:26,829 --> 01:30:33,569
uh, I would consider like if you went down south to uh uh I mean we have produce.

943
01:30:33,569 --> 01:30:36,538
uh. >> it's just it's a it's a

944
01:30:36,538 --> 01:30:40,843
wonderful place people come for an experience. If I was to go and look at this

945
01:30:40,843 --> 01:30:45,347
and like, uh, do under the sunshine act and say how in the world did this come about?

946
01:30:45,347 --> 01:30:50,119
why did. Who brought this up to bring to you guys in the first place?

947
01:30:50,119 --> 01:30:53,189
how did this start? I think we can. I could.

948
01:30:53,189 --> 01:31:00,562
uh, logically say that there's been problems with food trucks getting together that created

949
01:31:00,562 --> 01:31:05,601
this situation. Okay, well, te state has regulations that we have to

950
01:31:05,601 --> 01:31:09,739
follow what we can hook into what we can't we have to have a commissary.

951
01:31:09,739 --> 01:31:15,878
we have all these regulations. Um, I'm listening to music I was driving uh, can we have

952
01:31:15,878 --> 01:31:19,148
music? Not have music. I was thinking of the vfw out

953
01:31:19,148 --> 01:31:23,820
there in salt springs and they have music out there and then all of a sudden they have seven

954
01:31:23,820 --> 01:31:27,523
food trucks around the baseball field. Heck, they're going to be in

955
01:31:27,523 --> 01:31:33,280
violation of everything we're talking about here. Um, are they hooked up to

956
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:35,698
power? There's power out there. Can you hook up to power, not

957
01:31:35,698 --> 01:31:42,371
hook up to power? Um, all of a sudden we have all this stuff that's struck of the

958
01:31:42,371 --> 01:31:47,443
parking lot. Um, what's on the parking lot? What's not on the parking lot?

959
01:31:47,443 --> 01:31:51,914
I've never had code enforcement out there o to get on my case about any of that stuff.

960
01:31:51,914 --> 01:31:56,686
yeah. Road side, you know, some some signage, um.

961
01:31:56,686 --> 01:32:01,657
that are on the early days uh, you know, people complaining that kind of stuff.

962
01:32:01,657 --> 01:32:08,640
let me tell you what I've got photo photographs for this very reason right now of fire

963
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,640
trucks. Sheriff.

964
01:32:10,366 --> 01:32:15,438
>> the sheriff cars, everybody how they're parked. Okay, we're out in the woods

965
01:32:15,438 --> 01:32:20,209
and last thing they want is oversight of being told how and what.

966
01:32:20,209 --> 01:32:25,313
now I understand there's got to be rules. But my.

967
01:32:25,313 --> 01:32:31,554
whole business in I mean, I will make it through this. Trust me, I mean, I this isn't

968
01:32:31,554 --> 01:32:35,424
going to stop me from what I'm doing. I can do other things to go and

969
01:32:35,424 --> 01:32:40,363
maneuver around some of these things like two tables. You got to be kidding me.

970
01:32:40,363 --> 01:32:48,576
two tables I have a it's like a restaurant and. The rules uh, so I'm going to

971
01:32:48,576 --> 01:32:53,781
be punished because I have a very successful business and it comes out of a food truck.

972
01:32:53,781 --> 01:33:01,188
um hmm. As I drove by the wilderness, uh, rv park out here, I was

973
01:33:01,188 --> 01:33:07,661
thinking to myself ow these how these poor people every time they go around to all

974
01:33:07,661 --> 01:33:13,667
these locations and they have to have a, um. A signature and there's got to

975
01:33:13,667 --> 01:33:20,241
be notarized they may be in a month they may go to 35 different places.

976
01:33:20,241 --> 01:33:26,130
that's 35 notaries just to go around. Um, that makes no sense to me.

977
01:33:26,130 --> 01:33:32,452
uh, and especially when and then I own a 30 acre farm. So that even complicates this

978
01:33:32,452 --> 01:33:39,160
because I have a farm and I'm doing, uh. Do the uh, ight to farm act

979
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:46,660
selling my. Product at my food truck that people come to buy organic

980
01:33:46,660 --> 01:33:49,103
food. Okay. And you're going to take away

981
01:33:49,103 --> 01:33:53,674
my right to be able so there's there's this gray area of if do I have power?

982
01:33:53,674 --> 01:33:59,713
the very first thing that came from my mind is I have to prove to putnam county because I live

983
01:33:59,713 --> 01:34:06,987
in putnam county. That my farm produces through my schedule f how I sell my

984
01:34:06,987 --> 01:34:12,927
product. Okay and I'm making a profit. Well then now now now my right

985
01:34:12,927 --> 01:34:18,432
is being taken away because I'm selling my product at this roadside stand.

986
01:34:18,432 --> 01:34:24,605
it's been part of florida history for a very long time now we have two issues

987
01:34:24,605 --> 01:34:27,941
going on. We've got. This conglomeration of food

988
01:34:27,941 --> 01:34:33,481
trucks and individuals like myself and others and I think that there's a lot of ambiguity

989
01:34:33,481 --> 01:34:36,850
in in these documents and there's stuff that's been stricken.

990
01:34:36,850 --> 01:34:44,358
um, again, I don't have issues with anybody coming out to my place of business and giving me

991
01:34:44,358 --> 01:34:47,294
a hard time. I follow the laws. I follow the regulations.

992
01:34:47,294 --> 01:34:54,367
um, but I just think that this is. This document n itself needs a

993
01:34:54,367 --> 01:35:00,574
lot of it needs lot of work and it will leave me no right other than how this is written

994
01:35:00,574 --> 01:35:04,779
up. If you give me two tables. You will kill my you will kill

995
01:35:04,779 --> 01:35:09,850
my business. If my business gets killed then I have to come back and I have

996
01:35:09,850 --> 01:35:16,220
to say look at where like that's that's going to cause friction between the county and

997
01:35:16,220 --> 01:35:22,596
myself and then not only that it's going to kill my farm. Okay, walden farms like if

998
01:35:22,596 --> 01:35:26,533
sheriff I want to set up and I want to do agritourism I have the ight I have a full green

999
01:35:26,533 --> 01:35:32,139
belt on my property. I can do all those things. Um, but the fact of the matter

1000
01:35:32,139 --> 01:35:38,427
is I have a massive amount of money invested in salt springs and that business is very

1001
01:35:38,427 --> 01:35:41,897
successful. And mrs. Alec, I know those people are chewing on you all

1002
01:35:41,897 --> 01:35:47,502
the time out there in salt springs about things going on. This business means a lot to

1003
01:35:47,502 --> 01:35:50,572
the people that are out there, okay? And there's not a lot of places

1004
01:35:50,572 --> 01:35:56,579
to eat. Um, but I myself am not a fan of the language that's in this

1005
01:35:56,579 --> 01:36:00,179
document yet. So appreciate. Your testimony.

1006
01:36:00,282 --> 01:36:04,587
uh, and I've been to your place a handful of times and so thank you for that.

1007
01:36:04,587 --> 01:36:08,890
and you know, the good thing about yours is that, you know, you're you own it.

1008
01:36:08,890 --> 01:36:12,610
right? And nd it's on a piece of commercial property and so it

1009
01:36:12,610 --> 01:36:16,732
is a little different but these are the cases that we need to look at to understand.

1010
01:36:16,732 --> 01:36:22,505
um and if it's outside of the requirements for a temporary or moving or whatever then again

1011
01:36:22,505 --> 01:36:27,760
we may have to go through a special use process. But I again I think all of

1012
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:28,811
those things to your point are solvable.

1013
01:36:28,811 --> 01:36:35,217
>> you know the hard and the hard thing with that I, I bought and paid okay I owed no

1014
01:36:35,217 --> 01:36:41,230
money on this thing. I I purposely did what I did and now I had to come back and

1015
01:36:41,230 --> 01:36:46,161
I got to ask the government for especially in trust me I have. It's a busy.

1016
01:36:46,161 --> 01:36:52,134
place and so how how it zoned so many lots back or b2. Behind me.

1017
01:36:52,134 --> 01:36:54,534
>> is residential. >> um I.

1018
01:36:55,170 --> 01:36:58,307
>> have a couple I have a couple of folks that are in that neighborhood.

1019
01:36:58,307 --> 01:37:04,313
they probably would love to see me gone now. Now you're introducing these

1020
01:37:04,313 --> 01:37:09,651
folks into my livelihood that they're going to get a say hey ,that.

1021
01:37:09,651 --> 01:37:13,456
what? I don't like him. Make him k make him go away and

1022
01:37:13,456 --> 01:37:21,229
now I have to deal with that when I followed the rules from the eginning many years go

1023
01:37:21,229 --> 01:37:27,536
and now I see this flashing and you know, being able to pass this on to our children to be

1024
01:37:27,536 --> 01:37:34,777
able to carry this on I'm like ww, this is this is shocking. So all right.

1025
01:37:34,777 --> 01:37:38,800
thank you sir. Yeah thank you. All right anyone else want to

1026
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,884
speak on food trucks yep okay. Come on down. Hi.

1027
01:37:41,884 --> 01:37:48,957
my name is carmen mervin 2166 northwest 10th street ocala. I've been following, um, these

1028
01:37:48,957 --> 01:37:53,280
meetings and unfortunately I've only been able to attend one, but I've written a couple of

1029
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,320
letters and just like this gentleman who's four food trucks.

1030
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:03,380
um, I have a lot of problems with what's going on here. I feel like you're trying to

1031
01:38:03,380 --> 01:38:08,143
regulate, um, two businesses that are very foreign. You have food vendors and then

1032
01:38:08,143 --> 01:38:12,581
food trucks and then you have produce sales. That's like trying to regulate

1033
01:38:12,581 --> 01:38:16,485
publix the same way you o mcdonald's. I mean, it's two totally

1034
01:38:16,485 --> 01:38:23,400
different types of businesses. So on one hand you tell the vegetable salesman that he

1035
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:27,541
can have a permanent structure but then you tell the food truck he can't have a permanent

1036
01:38:27,541 --> 01:38:32,346
structure. So I'll get to some of my real issues that I have problems

1037
01:38:32,346 --> 01:38:36,650
with. Number one, my big issue the reason that drew me to this was

1038
01:38:36,650 --> 01:38:40,520
because a lot of these food trucks are coming out to a-1 properties.

1039
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:46,626
I don't agree with food trucks locating in a-1 properties unless they are truly there for

1040
01:38:46,626 --> 01:38:51,232
one day and then they move because a-1 we live in farm areas.

1041
01:38:51,232 --> 01:38:56,103
um michelle stone, you live in a-1 property. I don't think you want to drive

1042
01:38:56,103 --> 01:39:00,708
out of your driveway and see a food truck sitting there, especially when now you're

1043
01:39:00,708 --> 01:39:05,646
going to tell the food truck if he has more than two employees he has to set up a port, a

1044
01:39:05,646 --> 01:39:10,500
toilet and a wash stand. So let me ask you does the porta toilet go on the back of

1045
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:14,455
the food truck and leave when the food truck leaves and does the washed and leave when you

1046
01:39:14,455 --> 01:39:20,160
know I mean it's not realistic you know it's just not realistic and then you're

1047
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:26,000
giving them four signs. My business gets one sign on the road and one sign on the

1048
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,137
building. So it's different rules you know and I think you have to

1049
01:39:30,137 --> 01:39:36,643
have some consistency and I don't mind the food trucks in commercial areas or rural

1050
01:39:36,643 --> 01:39:40,414
activity centers I don't mind that at all. But he problem is when the

1051
01:39:40,414 --> 01:39:44,885
food trucks come out into a1 territories they tend to make themselves permanent.

1052
01:39:44,885 --> 01:39:49,557
and just like you said a minute ago karl, the lady wanted to keep her coffee station for 3

1053
01:39:49,557 --> 01:39:53,761
or 4 days. I understand for her it's a tremendous amount of ork to

1054
01:39:53,761 --> 01:39:58,165
pack up and leave. Yeah, but for us living in one area we don't want

1055
01:39:58,165 --> 01:40:01,468
permanent set ups next door to us. We don't want permanent food

1056
01:40:01,468 --> 01:40:05,272
trucks. You know, I've been in marion county a long time.

1057
01:40:05,272 --> 01:40:10,211
I have various businesses and every time I do a business I have to jump through the

1058
01:40:10,211 --> 01:40:13,948
regular hoops. I have to pay the bill. I have to pay the licensing.

1059
01:40:13,948 --> 01:40:18,986
I have to dig retention areas and do all these things. And I'm not asking that the

1060
01:40:18,986 --> 01:40:24,191
food trucks have to do this, but I think you need better rules and I know that the land

1061
01:40:24,191 --> 01:40:28,662
development group has worked very hard on this, but I still think you need a segregation

1062
01:40:28,662 --> 01:40:34,401
between food sales which are also governed by the state under the farm, you know,

1063
01:40:34,401 --> 01:40:39,340
trying to make farmers thrive and food trucks and when you say they have to have wheel

1064
01:40:39,340 --> 01:40:43,477
they're they're a mobile unit. They have wheels for a reason. They have wheels so they

1065
01:40:43,477 --> 01:40:47,681
can move and the minute you tell them hey can set up permanent structures oh you

1066
01:40:47,681 --> 01:40:52,860
can set up a tent. Well unfortunately then your poor code enforcement officer

1067
01:40:52,860 --> 01:40:56,356
now that tent stays there now she's going to have to be called out more often.

1068
01:40:56,356 --> 01:41:00,360
they set up lights they there are many ood trucks right now in marion county.

1069
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:04,651
maybe not these nice people who are attending the meeting but there are many that are set up

1070
01:41:04,651 --> 01:41:09,389
permanently. They're not moving at all. There's one out by um the high

1071
01:41:09,389 --> 01:41:14,610
school on on 80th here's one down on 475. They have lights, they're set

1072
01:41:14,610 --> 01:41:16,797
up permanently and they're operating. I don't have an objection to

1073
01:41:16,797 --> 01:41:21,535
that so much when they're on commercial property but when they're on a1 property doing

1074
01:41:21,535 --> 01:41:27,700
that it's a no go for me and I think it should be not allowed at all ctually in a one.

1075
01:41:27,700 --> 01:41:31,945
but you have a hard job in front of you because you have to come up with rules that work

1076
01:41:31,945 --> 01:41:36,216
and rules that don't work your code enforcement officer to death thank you.

1077
01:41:36,216 --> 01:41:42,816
thank you appreciate it. Yes ma'am. Is there anybody else that

1078
01:41:42,822 --> 01:41:45,359
wanted to speak? Come on. If you come to this podium.

1079
01:41:45,359 --> 01:41:48,595
good morning. My name is. Katrina bakewell and I

1080
01:41:48,595 --> 01:41:50,897
apologize for not signing up ahead next time.

1081
01:41:50,897 --> 01:41:52,166
>> oh no. >> no it's fine.

1082
01:41:52,166 --> 01:41:56,503
uh, and I appreciate being heard. I'll make it as brief as I can.

1083
01:41:56,503 --> 01:42:02,503
um, I live at 16053 south highway 475. Probably live right next.

1084
01:42:02,542 --> 01:42:06,647
door to the food truck that's. Being mentioned. And I may be a little.

1085
01:42:06,647 --> 01:42:14,588
late to the party. Um, I bought of a farm and building a horse farm on um the

1086
01:42:14,588 --> 01:42:21,595
property that I purchased and it is zoned a1 uh, as are all of the properties along the

1087
01:42:21,595 --> 01:42:26,800
stretch where my uh, farm is located. I'm investing looking to buy uh

1088
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:34,740
,area of acreage next door that's vacant and to build as there are a number of horse

1089
01:42:34,740 --> 01:42:39,112
farms along that stretch. Very nice ones, very high end ones that are being.

1090
01:42:39,112 --> 01:42:41,512
developed and um. ,so.

1091
01:42:42,782 --> 01:42:50,424
>> about a year ago my next door neighbor. Nice nice fellow um I think he

1092
01:42:50,424 --> 01:42:55,495
had a food truck that was uh part of that group that was disbanded over by marion oaks.

1093
01:42:55,495 --> 01:43:03,103
I go out and suddenly there's a a food stand next door to me and it's grown and now has a

1094
01:43:03,103 --> 01:43:07,441
like a tent structure. It's got tables and chairs. I has lighting.

1095
01:43:07,441 --> 01:43:13,580
uh, we see all kinds of trash a couple times week I make the trek out in front of my

1096
01:43:13,580 --> 01:43:17,316
property to go pick up all the trash because. We're very careful with that.

1097
01:43:17,316 --> 01:43:20,187
kind of. >> thing and, um, it's got big

1098
01:43:20,187 --> 01:43:27,127
signs that blow in the wind sometimes there's music and um, I guess I have the same concern

1099
01:43:27,127 --> 01:43:32,799
I just heard voiced no problem at all with food trucks. I mean I'm a fan of them

1100
01:43:32,799 --> 01:43:38,500
actually operating out of commercial spaces or semi commercial spaces.

1101
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:46,833
but it's this kind of uh, location where we are I didn't buy the property to invest and

1102
01:43:46,833 --> 01:43:53,173
build it up and be part of that whole network of um forced businesses along there so that

1103
01:43:53,173 --> 01:44:01,573
I be next to ind of. Um noisy colorful uh uh, taco stand basically.

1104
01:44:02,416 --> 01:44:09,589
and o a slippery uh, I understand I'm late to the party n it but uh, now we're

1105
01:44:09,589 --> 01:44:11,989
talking about two. Uh.

1106
01:44:12,325 --> 01:44:16,896
>> food trucks per property. What if a year rom now we're talking about three suddenly

1107
01:44:16,896 --> 01:44:21,602
we're back to the whole location. So it is a slippery and it's

1108
01:44:21,602 --> 01:44:26,540
going to be a disincentive I'm now considering do I stay here and build and put more money

1109
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:33,947
into building my farm and make that whole area in there kind of um, you know, to uh, upgrade

1110
01:44:33,947 --> 01:44:40,721
it in terms of the farm qualities or do I look to move to another location because

1111
01:44:40,721 --> 01:44:46,259
it's not the character of the property that I wanted o purchase and thought I did

1112
01:44:46,259 --> 01:44:47,727
purchase? Um.

1113
01:44:47,727 --> 01:44:53,433
>> second question really has to do with the code enforcement which I've called talked to a

1114
01:44:53,433 --> 01:44:59,639
very nice gentleman there several times very helpful. But um, as I understand it,

1115
01:44:59,639 --> 01:45:05,713
there's a limit to what can be done to bring uh, people like my neighbor into compliance

1116
01:45:05,713 --> 01:45:12,419
because he said 've been out there uh, we've sent letters cited the property.

1117
01:45:12,419 --> 01:45:18,625
um, but uh and the minute that they've done that everything goes back right?

1118
01:45:18,625 --> 01:45:23,864
right the way it was it's almost laughable. And uh and so the the lights

1119
01:45:23,864 --> 01:45:28,602
are back, the tables and chairs are back, the tent is back, the big signs are.

1120
01:45:28,602 --> 01:45:36,743
back and um, you know, I don't know where the teeth are in trms of the enforcement but

1121
01:45:36,743 --> 01:45:42,849
you know it's. It's and the laws are there for a reason but they only do so

1122
01:45:42,849 --> 01:45:47,200
much if there's no uh, force. Behind them. So I appreciate the chance to

1123
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:48,321
be heard. Thank you.

1124
01:45:48,321 --> 01:45:50,457
>> appreciate it. Yes, ma'am. Good morning.

1125
01:45:50,457 --> 01:45:53,527
my name is. Tika johnson to. Cedar tree terrace.

1126
01:45:53,527 --> 01:45:58,331
um, I think that this ordinance is probably. Speaking about a food truck,

1127
01:45:58,331 --> 01:46:00,834
um, area. >> that my husband and I own.

1128
01:46:00,834 --> 01:46:02,469
there are. >> four food trucks there.

1129
01:46:02,469 --> 01:46:04,771
and a farm stand. Um.

1130
01:46:04,771 --> 01:46:06,973
>> the. Food trucks. Are not in commission monday

1131
01:46:06,973 --> 01:46:11,110
through wednesday and they open . Thursday through saturday.

1132
01:46:11,110 --> 01:46:16,583
so my question is um and they are on a. Property that is owned by the.

1133
01:46:16,583 --> 01:46:20,454
church and we all have um adequate. Permission from the church to

1134
01:46:20,454 --> 01:46:24,858
be there. So does it work out better or is this ordinance.

1135
01:46:24,858 --> 01:46:27,594
saying that if we're not there monday.

1136
01:46:27,594 --> 01:46:29,730
>> through. Wednesday we. Need to move the trucks.

1137
01:46:29,730 --> 01:46:34,201
and then bring them back. For thursday through saturday? But the reason.

1138
01:46:34,201 --> 01:46:36,102
>> why. They are. There seven.

1139
01:46:36,102 --> 01:46:39,770
days a. Week is. Because we are hooked up o.

1140
01:46:39,770 --> 01:46:43,281
electric, right? Um so I just want further. Clarification so that.

1141
01:46:43,281 --> 01:46:47,418
>> I can bring this information back to the. Property owner to see who he

1142
01:46:47,418 --> 01:46:50,422
needs to. Speak with or what. He needs to do.

1143
01:46:50,422 --> 01:46:52,424
>> to get the. Special permit. Or if.

1144
01:46:52,424 --> 01:46:54,920
>> that is something that's needed. Yes.

1145
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:56,961
>> yes ma'am. >> I mean and that's and that's

1146
01:46:56,961 --> 01:47:01,699
the case we're kind of not not in your particular case but that is the scenario we're

1147
01:47:01,699 --> 01:47:05,236
talking about where people are just there all the time. They're hooked up to electric,

1148
01:47:05,236 --> 01:47:08,240
they're having those kind of things they're having when you have four trucks you're

1149
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:12,243
bringing in more people a lot of times without adequate restrooms and all those kind of

1150
01:47:12,243 --> 01:47:17,182
things and it triggers that that part that we were talking about where really you need to

1151
01:47:17,182 --> 01:47:20,652
make sure you know, you would need to go through a site plan just like everybody else would

1152
01:47:20,652 --> 01:47:25,724
to build a permanent business. Right. And so um, I don't know that

1153
01:47:25,724 --> 01:47:29,527
all the answers that's the part of the process I'm going to have our staff walk through

1154
01:47:29,527 --> 01:47:33,532
like what what criteria but it sounds like you would meet that criteria.

1155
01:47:33,532 --> 01:47:39,270
you can either go down to wo okay right. Or you would need to then

1156
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:43,275
go into building permanent. Infrastructure on the site. Right.

1157
01:47:43,275 --> 01:47:45,543
if you wanted to have 3 or. >> 4 or more.

1158
01:47:45,543 --> 01:47:51,216
of them because then at this point I think our our staff would look at you um

1159
01:47:51,216 --> 01:47:53,485
as becoming a food truck park. Okay.

1160
01:47:53,485 --> 01:47:56,421
>> so even if. Permanently there. Even if we made it through

1161
01:47:56,421 --> 01:47:57,622
wednesday, if. >> you.

1162
01:47:57,622 --> 01:47:59,891
moved it off site. That's going to. Come back.

1163
01:47:59,891 --> 01:48:04,362
>> when it's in service. But they have. Four trucks and a produce

1164
01:48:04,362 --> 01:48:05,163
stand. Yeah.

1165
01:48:05,163 --> 01:48:07,310
>> and so that's. That's the part I. Don't understand.

1166
01:48:07,310 --> 01:48:12,104
and so uh let me allow our our our team to address your particular situation as well.

1167
01:48:12,104 --> 01:48:16,574
uh I exactly what would need to happen okay. But I think today if they

1168
01:48:16,574 --> 01:48:20,112
pulled up on site and they were there seven days a week and not moving.

1169
01:48:20,112 --> 01:48:23,515
it would technically be a a food truck park. I think.

1170
01:48:23,515 --> 01:48:24,316
even if. >> you.

1171
01:48:24,316 --> 01:48:27,519
had four of them on the weekends you would still be a food truck park.

1172
01:48:27,519 --> 01:48:32,123
all right. So that's what I don't. 100% know if that qualifies,

1173
01:48:32,123 --> 01:48:33,725
but I want. >> to get our team to.

1174
01:48:33,725 --> 01:48:37,294
answer that and help walk through that process with you. Okay great.

1175
01:48:37,294 --> 01:48:39,998
thank you so much. Yes, ma'am. Hi.

1176
01:48:39,998 --> 01:48:45,937
>> my name is eric. Martinez and my 500 on. Southwest 20th street.

1177
01:48:45,937 --> 01:48:52,543
um I am a local vendor here. In ocala and. This touches a little deeper to

1178
01:48:52,543 --> 01:48:55,747
me because. Waldron farms has. Been supportive.

1179
01:48:55,747 --> 01:48:57,615
>> of. Me as a vendor and I've had the.

1180
01:48:57,615 --> 01:49:01,919
opportunity to also be supported. By the city amongst many other

1181
01:49:01,919 --> 01:49:04,288
things. I think we have to lead by example.

1182
01:49:04,288 --> 01:49:09,861
because obviously. Not many and even the biggest, maybe smallest part here in.

1183
01:49:09,861 --> 01:49:13,831
ocala that supports the food trucks is also not in. Compliance.

1184
01:49:13,831 --> 01:49:17,602
>> and the code. Enforcement for. Enforcement that's.

1185
01:49:17,602 --> 01:49:19,504
>> trying to be placed. >> it's not.

1186
01:49:19,504 --> 01:49:22,574
clear enough. Even for them when they speak. Up here.

1187
01:49:22,574 --> 01:49:25,577
and when you go to. Other cities in florida you see that.

1188
01:49:25,577 --> 01:49:28,925
the food trucks have. You know what you are looking for.

1189
01:49:28,925 --> 01:49:31,610
here but. >> it's because.

1190
01:49:31,610 --> 01:49:34,865
the city has these. Parking lots. Parks ready.

1191
01:49:34,865 --> 01:49:37,934
for them to be there. >> we also have to show them

1192
01:49:37,934 --> 01:49:42,390
the support so that they can comply with what we are looking for.

1193
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:47,344
that's all I have to say. No and you're right in others in other cities and other towns

1194
01:49:47,344 --> 01:49:51,648
. It's not usually the city or the town but it is a property

1195
01:49:51,648 --> 01:49:56,887
owner will go through the process of building. The elements of a food truck,

1196
01:49:56,887 --> 01:49:59,289
parking them and allowing people to lease those out. Right.

1197
01:49:59,289 --> 01:50:05,328
and so um, in those cases that's fine. But it's it's it's when people

1198
01:50:05,328 --> 01:50:10,434
start setting up in higher numbers especially um without the infrastructure in place

1199
01:50:10,434 --> 01:50:12,769
that is necessary for the state.

1200
01:50:12,769 --> 01:50:14,104
>> and we have. >> to be fair to you, right?

1201
01:50:14,104 --> 01:50:17,774
I mean if you were investing I mean same thing if you have a food ruck and you pull up and

1202
01:50:17,774 --> 01:50:23,513
you compete with another small business, right, that spent $5 million to buy a building and

1203
01:50:23,513 --> 01:50:27,383
put in, you know, all of the infrastructure and all the things required and hooked up

1204
01:50:27,383 --> 01:50:31,721
to water and sewer and right like we have to be fair o those businesses as well.

1205
01:50:31,721 --> 01:50:37,461
and so again that's why the food truck thing it needs to be temporary.

1206
01:50:37,461 --> 01:50:39,195
if it becomes permanent well. >> then.

1207
01:50:39,195 --> 01:50:44,267
they need to be under. The same regulation. To be fair as a permanent

1208
01:50:44,267 --> 01:50:48,739
business is nd. That's that's the. Difference I think I don't know

1209
01:50:48,739 --> 01:50:51,800
commissioner if I'm wrong but. Yes there. Is the.

1210
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:52,942
>> battle. This is the. Battle that.

1211
01:50:52,942 --> 01:50:57,140
>> we're that we're trying to figure out because I love the entrepreneurial spirit of a

1212
01:50:57,140 --> 01:51:00,484
food truck, right? I mean I love the hustle that something that people can go in

1213
01:51:00,484 --> 01:51:07,290
and do that but it needs to stay in that frame of being a temporary process versus when

1214
01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:10,960
you become permanent when you set down your stuff and you stay.

1215
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,695
>> there 24 hours. >> a day and you hook up to

1216
01:51:12,695 --> 01:51:15,165
electric. As soon as you hook. Up to electric.

1217
01:51:15,165 --> 01:51:19,836
in all honesty. Now that infrastructure. Requires a different set of

1218
01:51:19,836 --> 01:51:20,937
rules. Um.

1219
01:51:20,937 --> 01:51:25,408
>> you're no longer mobile. You're no longer. Running off your own power uh,

1220
01:51:25,408 --> 01:51:28,110
in essence. Right. And so.

1221
01:51:28,110 --> 01:51:32,282
we're we're. Trying to figure out what's the right balance to allow those

1222
01:51:32,282 --> 01:51:36,953
operators to have. To have that and then also be fair to our uh, local

1223
01:51:36,953 --> 01:51:42,659
businesses as well that have to come under, you know, excessive uh, some in some case when you

1224
01:51:42,659 --> 01:51:47,531
have to run water and sewer and do all those things and parking lots and site plans and drc

1225
01:51:47,531 --> 01:51:49,399
and. Right right.

1226
01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:50,533
>> so and. >> so we're figuring.

1227
01:51:50,533 --> 01:51:54,738
that out the. Food trucks have to find a spot and not only do they have to

1228
01:51:54,738 --> 01:51:57,607
find a spot, they have to find a spot that needs to be compliant.

1229
01:51:57,607 --> 01:52:00,410
okay yes I. Know that. That's there.

1230
01:52:00,410 --> 01:52:02,713
>> so another thing that's their responsibility. Absolutely.

1231
01:52:02,713 --> 01:52:07,217
when their whole point was being mobile so there should be certain spots that should

1232
01:52:07,217 --> 01:52:13,924
already readily be available for those mobile. Trucks but private the private

1233
01:52:13,924 --> 01:52:17,327
sector the private. Sector is not government is. Not government.

1234
01:52:17,327 --> 01:52:20,431
>> job right. >> it's right it's not but not

1235
01:52:20,431 --> 01:52:25,536
everybody's complying. And the main area that we have here which is downtown market

1236
01:52:25,536 --> 01:52:28,606
obviously someone said you have to connect and they shouldn't be connecting.

1237
01:52:28,606 --> 01:52:31,908
so we. What do they have. .

1238
01:52:31,908 --> 01:52:34,678
>> yeah no they can kind of throw it out. Yeah right.

1239
01:52:34,678 --> 01:52:36,847
you can. Connect downtown because it's set up for that.

1240
01:52:36,847 --> 01:52:38,849
and there. >> are other places that could

1241
01:52:38,849 --> 01:52:43,788
be set up for that and and they're listen that one at some point a property owner will

1242
01:52:43,788 --> 01:52:48,392
find it profitable enough to set up like a mini you.

1243
01:52:48,392 --> 01:52:51,928
>> know. Rv park where you have. Slots and people ould come in

1244
01:52:51,928 --> 01:52:55,332
there with their food trucks and come in and set it up and if they want to do that.

1245
01:52:55,332 --> 01:52:56,967
that's fine. But you.

1246
01:52:56,967 --> 01:53:01,739
>> can't do it. Set up a uh a temporary uh or a permanent food truck park

1247
01:53:01,739 --> 01:53:05,342
without the nfrastructure in place. So um so those are the

1248
01:53:05,342 --> 01:53:07,770
differences. Thank you.

1249
01:53:07,770 --> 01:53:12,830
>> thank you, mister goody. Give me going 1531. Southeast 36th avenue.

1250
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:14,685
I'll be brief. This is a really good public hearing.

1251
01:53:14,685 --> 01:53:15,820
um. >> I recently.

1252
01:53:15,820 --> 01:53:18,522
got appointed ldc. And attended their last meeting on this issue and.

1253
01:53:18,522 --> 01:53:20,424
frankly I didn't. Realize as.

1254
01:53:20,424 --> 01:53:24,828
>> many issues as they were. It looks to me like y'all had to decide a couple of things or

1255
01:53:24,828 --> 01:53:29,330
get staff to work on them. One is this a1 zoning issue. The second is the electric

1256
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:34,905
hookups but my concern is not related to that particularly my concern is that it appears that

1257
01:53:34,905 --> 01:53:40,478
we are headed to a scheme that's going to require more special use permits.

1258
01:53:40,478 --> 01:53:46,500
um, you already have capped those at ten a month. Um, I'm going to ask you all to

1259
01:53:46,500 --> 01:53:49,987
be thinking in the back of your heads just not right to this issue about perhaps increasing

1260
01:53:49,987 --> 01:53:54,992
that cap. We've been hitting that cap lately and postponing

1261
01:53:54,992 --> 01:53:58,729
applications because of it. Now we're going to put another layer on them including I think

1262
01:53:58,729 --> 01:54:05,869
what's going to be a rush to get more than two uh uh, food trucks approved on the existing

1263
01:54:05,869 --> 01:54:08,805
site. So that's ust for y'all to be. Thinking about later.

1264
01:54:08,805 --> 01:54:13,677
but I did want to mention it because it is of a concern. My last concern is it's really

1265
01:54:13,677 --> 01:54:15,946
I'm not here for this. It's really tough. Listen to this.

1266
01:54:15,946 --> 01:54:19,616
I'm a big food truck fan, can I ask I know e're not supposed to speak to them, but.

1267
01:54:19,616 --> 01:54:22,419
I know their. Trucks set up outside that we could.

1268
01:54:22,419 --> 01:54:23,420
>> go. After this year.

1269
01:54:23,420 --> 01:54:24,488
>> you know. >> you wouldn't.

1270
01:54:24,488 --> 01:54:25,822
it would have happened. Somebody would have.

1271
01:54:25,822 --> 01:54:27,490
>> brought a thought that they. >> would have brought us some

1272
01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:30,160
barbecue. Ice cream or some. Coffee and you know what I

1273
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,290
mean? You know. Just kidding.

1274
01:54:32,290 --> 01:54:33,763
thanks, jimmy. Thanks.

1275
01:54:33,763 --> 01:54:35,966
>> okay. >> he might be kidding, but I'm

1276
01:54:35,966 --> 01:54:39,436
not because I'm getting hungry and we all know how grumpy I get when I get hungry.

1277
01:54:39,436 --> 01:54:41,371
all right, we. Got a lot I can. Tell you.

1278
01:54:41,371 --> 01:54:43,640
>> there was a lot of. Questions there. Let's talk through.

1279
01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:46,877
okay? Let's talk through the questions that the he the

1280
01:54:46,877 --> 01:54:54,451
folks had and and let's um. And let's work on bringing back language that helps o address

1281
01:54:54,451 --> 01:55:01,941
these things and and uh and I think to um I believe was carmen's point we may need to

1282
01:55:01,941 --> 01:55:08,647
differentiate these produce stands and I think that point may be well taken, uh, because.

1283
01:55:08,647 --> 01:55:12,184
I think that helps us to address the ag issue as well because the.

1284
01:55:12,184 --> 01:55:14,953
farm stand on. >> a on a piece of ag hat

1285
01:55:14,953 --> 01:55:19,425
produces there ain't nothing we can do about that that needs to be held in right by by by the

1286
01:55:19,425 --> 01:55:23,228
farm act but a food truck in there maybe we need to be looking at so.

1287
01:55:23,228 --> 01:55:27,699
and mister chair yes what I was going to talk about earlier but now that we've are we done with

1288
01:55:27,699 --> 01:55:28,967
public comment. >> as far as I know yes.

1289
01:55:28,967 --> 01:55:32,710
there was no one else right. Got everybody yes ma'am. Okay we're done.

1290
01:55:32,710 --> 01:55:36,442
so the other thing that I think staff needs to do is they do need to take a look at an ldr,

1291
01:55:36,442 --> 01:55:40,112
see if they have to if they have another meeting before our next public hearing because

1292
01:55:40,112 --> 01:55:41,681
this is I. >> don't think so.

1293
01:55:41,681 --> 01:55:43,515
I mean not on this. We may.

1294
01:55:43,515 --> 01:55:46,252
>> have to push this we might have. To push this one off.

1295
01:55:46,252 --> 01:55:53,725
but we need to look at the regulations that dpr does require and instead of having

1296
01:55:53,725 --> 01:55:58,531
that incorporated into our land development code, that could just be a sheet that goes along

1297
01:55:58,531 --> 01:56:03,869
that you could say referencing that they have to meet all the requirements of dpr and you

1298
01:56:03,869 --> 01:56:08,374
reference what those requirements are instead of making them separate elements

1299
01:56:08,374 --> 01:56:12,411
within the land development code. And also take a look at what

1300
01:56:12,411 --> 01:56:20,619
all that what are the requirements from dpr are. It ight already answer some of

1301
01:56:20,619 --> 01:56:25,900
the stuff hat we're talking about right now. So I definitely think there to

1302
01:56:25,900 --> 01:56:27,826
be a whole lot more work on this before it's brought back.

1303
01:56:27,826 --> 01:56:29,695
>> and I would. I do we need.

1304
01:56:29,695 --> 01:56:31,897
>> to have that. Some of those references from dpr.

1305
01:56:31,897 --> 01:56:36,902
>> in. Our ordinance or no. Not if you just say.

1306
01:56:36,902 --> 01:56:39,302
blanket statement meets requirements.

1307
01:56:39,538 --> 01:56:41,574
>> just like we have. Yeah to.

1308
01:56:41,574 --> 01:56:45,711
>> the state. Statute correct? Yeah like that's adequate.

1309
01:56:45,711 --> 01:56:50,850
all right can. And for one to as they change we wouldn't have to go back and

1310
01:56:50,850 --> 01:56:54,854
amend. This correct. So a couple of things.

1311
01:56:54,854 --> 01:57:03,595
a lot of notes here. Um connecting to electric. The for signs with the same

1312
01:57:03,595 --> 01:57:11,536
with the size um as. No more no larger than six square feet in size um site

1313
01:57:11,536 --> 01:57:15,875
restrooms for two or more employees and wash stations. Um all.

1314
01:57:15,875 --> 01:57:23,783
of that has been in the code since 2013 with all of that came into the code and um.

1315
01:57:23,783 --> 01:57:28,521
so but just to answer the questions on the signage right is is the sign on the truck

1316
01:57:28,521 --> 01:57:33,492
counted to the four or they can have the for like basically yard signs going down the

1317
01:57:33,492 --> 01:57:39,735
street or flags on the truck or whatever like what counts as signage let's just so.

1318
01:57:39,735 --> 01:57:44,206
flags and signs are the same thing. Okay no code.

1319
01:57:44,206 --> 01:57:47,442
um if it's a menu board on the truck. Yes sir.

1320
01:57:47,442 --> 01:57:51,713
I don't believe we view that as a we do not really view that as a sign.

1321
01:57:51,713 --> 01:57:55,517
common sense would say wanted. I wanted just to make, um confirmation code enforcement

1322
01:57:55,517 --> 01:58:00,122
since they're the ones I'm. Sure no I want to make sure. Um, so we're looking at just

1323
01:58:00,122 --> 01:58:03,591
the actual signs that are posted out and they can't be in the right of way and they can't

1324
01:58:03,591 --> 01:58:06,695
be in the easement. So if you have a flag that counts as one if.

1325
01:58:06,695 --> 01:58:10,732
you and then you can have three more signs yard signs or whatever, right?

1326
01:58:10,732 --> 01:58:13,268
>> as long as they're under six feet and six square foot and signs.

1327
01:58:13,268 --> 01:58:21,543
um um so on the ice um so just one note um the nest over at kolesar that's being.

1328
01:58:21,543 --> 01:58:26,882
built um, when they came in with their pd modification most recently they included food

1329
01:58:26,882 --> 01:58:31,620
trucks as a and they put in parking and pedestals for those food.

1330
01:58:31,620 --> 01:58:34,550
>> trucks to be able to come in and hook up right. So so it's.

1331
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:37,693
made for that. So yes they went through the process to do that.

1332
01:58:37,693 --> 01:58:42,430
um anything that has a power pole connected to electricity they would need a special use

1333
01:58:42,430 --> 01:58:46,768
permit. More than two trucks on site. They need a special use permit.

1334
01:58:46,768 --> 01:58:52,174
uh, we can look into if they were going to have it for the weekend and they're going to

1335
01:58:52,174 --> 01:58:54,643
have a bunch of trucks over. That would be a special event permit.

1336
01:58:54,643 --> 01:59:00,782
ideally the church school apartment complex business has filed the appropriate package

1337
01:59:00,782 --> 01:59:05,253
for the special use permit and they can or special event permit and they can do a

1338
01:59:05,253 --> 01:59:11,259
special event permit once per quarter. Um so if it but and answer the

1339
01:59:11,259 --> 01:59:15,430
young lady's question if if they have four trucks on site at the church.

1340
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:17,466
they can. >> they can have a special

1341
01:59:17,466 --> 01:59:20,602
event if they're doing something per quarter or for whatever.

1342
01:59:20,602 --> 01:59:23,738
right. And then they can have that many otherwise they have to

1343
01:59:23,738 --> 01:59:28,900
go down under two if they're going to have them there. And that one the most recent

1344
01:59:28,900 --> 01:59:28,877
one. So they.

1345
01:59:28,877 --> 01:59:32,881
>> also have. The four trucks produce stand and a electric connection.

1346
01:59:32,881 --> 01:59:37,852
um so that one they would they really need a special a special use permit because they're

1347
01:59:37,852 --> 01:59:40,421
there every week you know they're not moving they're just.

1348
01:59:40,421 --> 01:59:44,192
they're they're just they're okay. Um and.

1349
01:59:44,192 --> 01:59:48,896
ken are we calling I mean connecting to electric. We're I mean, that's as simple

1350
01:59:48,896 --> 01:59:51,832
as running an extension cord from an existing. Yes.

1351
01:59:51,832 --> 01:59:53,901
>> yeah. >> and that's the way we've

1352
01:59:53,901 --> 01:59:55,470
been. Um.

1353
01:59:55,470 --> 02:00:01,470
>> doing the regulations series 2013. So is that a building permit.

1354
02:00:04,746 --> 02:00:08,949
issue or is that a building and safety issue? Yes okay.

1355
02:00:08,949 --> 02:00:14,456
and we would require special and for. The rose barn that's inside the

1356
02:00:14,456 --> 02:00:17,525
city of ocala. So right there code nforcement will take care of that if

1357
02:00:17,525 --> 02:00:19,961
that's an issue. We're just talking about marion county right.

1358
02:00:19,961 --> 02:00:26,100
and and understanding that. Um food truck vendors. While the workers are inside

1359
02:00:26,100 --> 02:00:32,200
the truck, most of their activity is outside and in most of you know, most of our, uh,

1360
02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:35,756
commercial zoning we require everything to happen in an enclosed building.

1361
02:00:35,756 --> 02:00:43,431
so there's also a concern when it comes to these regulations is we're now allowing outside

1362
02:00:43,431 --> 02:00:49,270
uses outside tables. Um, uh, one question that I'll have to look into is.

1363
02:00:49,270 --> 02:00:52,907
uh a. Couple of them come up and they said they have generators.

1364
02:00:52,907 --> 02:00:59,580
it seems like running 24 seven. Um especially in like one like so if somebody had a commercial

1365
02:00:59,580 --> 02:01:03,451
vehicle the first regulation we put on it is no commercial refrigeration.

1366
02:01:03,451 --> 02:01:04,585
no. Yes.

1367
02:01:04,585 --> 02:01:07,722
>> yeah. Um so that's a that is a concern because you don't want

1368
02:01:07,722 --> 02:01:13,695
that noise to be a nuisance to the neighbors and residential or agricultural areas.

1369
02:01:13,695 --> 02:01:17,295
u. >> when it when we're looking

1370
02:01:19,670 --> 02:01:26,207
at when we're looking at the um notarized permission robin and I were speaking and she

1371
02:01:26,207 --> 02:01:31,813
mentioned if we were to get written permission from the owner with the owner's contact

1372
02:01:31,813 --> 02:01:34,682
information. So it became an issue. What I thought would be.

1373
02:01:34,682 --> 02:01:38,787
good let's let's just be able to check let's contact the owner okay.

1374
02:01:38,787 --> 02:01:42,957
so they don't need it. So we did hat they don't need a notarization we just need to

1375
02:01:42,957 --> 02:01:45,260
be able to contact the owner if it seems a little iffy right.

1376
02:01:45,260 --> 02:01:48,363
>> so if we approach if code enforcement approaches somebody on a piece of property they

1377
02:01:48,363 --> 02:01:51,632
just need to be able to produce proof that they got permission from the property owner with a

1378
02:01:51,632 --> 02:01:55,503
name number and a contact information. Right I like that and that's

1379
02:01:55,503 --> 02:01:58,573
easier. For the owner and commissioner. Yeah it probably need.

1380
02:01:58,573 --> 02:02:01,376
>> to be more than just the owner. It could be the lease holder.

1381
02:02:01,376 --> 02:02:05,312
it could be the agent. One of those three people who represent the property.

1382
02:02:05,312 --> 02:02:08,283
it hould. >> be satisfactory right?

1383
02:02:08,283 --> 02:02:11,186
yes foreign language for that. And as.

1384
02:02:11,186 --> 02:02:13,921
>> far as. It having to be notarized. I think he just pulled that

1385
02:02:13,921 --> 02:02:15,123
out. >> yeah we would pull that out.

1386
02:02:15,123 --> 02:02:19,194
so an authorized signature. And authorized like there's. Some business folks.

1387
02:02:19,194 --> 02:02:25,200
um or even if you wanted to do it from the if somebody was leasing from a property if they

1388
02:02:25,200 --> 02:02:29,370
if they signed off on it and it was an issue we would then go after the property owner.

1389
02:02:29,370 --> 02:02:31,739
right. And then they would have to go after their tenant and.

1390
02:02:31,739 --> 02:02:34,942
or but at least. >> at least we know that the

1391
02:02:34,942 --> 02:02:37,345
food truck got permission from somebody right. And so.

1392
02:02:37,345 --> 02:02:39,514
that's that's the whole thing. So at that. Point it's not the food.

1393
02:02:39,514 --> 02:02:42,283
truck exactly. Oh it's. Somebody else doing.

1394
02:02:42,283 --> 02:02:47,830
>> something um talked about special events maintaining mobility.

1395
02:02:49,857 --> 02:02:55,563
we discussed that early earlier and we I think that would help you know for the vehicles

1396
02:02:55,563 --> 02:02:59,330
as long as they an maintain mobility and they can leave the site if needed to especially in

1397
02:02:59,330 --> 02:03:07,775
cases of emergencies. Um, there ay be a desire to rework the a1 portion a little

1398
02:03:07,775 --> 02:03:12,714
bit because if there are trucks there just parked there the whole time I don't know what

1399
02:03:12,714 --> 02:03:14,582
you want to do with that. Um.

1400
02:03:14,582 --> 02:03:18,253
>> you ant them to come and go every day? We don't have a they can only

1401
02:03:18,253 --> 02:03:21,122
be open from this time to this time.

1402
02:03:21,122 --> 02:03:23,210
>> I. Think I think that I'm not sure that they should be allowed by

1403
02:03:23,210 --> 02:03:27,214
right and they want anyway I think that's probably the bigger conversation.

1404
02:03:27,214 --> 02:03:31,818
and okay and then going back to the um the zoning classifications, I did forget

1405
02:03:31,818 --> 02:03:38,559
to mention that we are proposing to add to our c1 and g2 is those three zoning are

1406
02:03:38,559 --> 02:03:41,696
more commercial in nature or industrial. Yeah.

1407
02:03:41,696 --> 02:03:47,101
so I think if we take out the a's then we'll be fine. And do the a's by special use

1408
02:03:47,101 --> 02:03:49,236
permit. Yeah they got to go especially if.

1409
02:03:49,236 --> 02:03:51,105
>> they want to be. >> there for more than you know

1410
02:03:51,105 --> 02:03:55,442
like a weekend right. And for now we'll add that language to this so that it's

1411
02:03:55,442 --> 02:03:59,847
at least listed. I think so um unless the board has a.

1412
02:03:59,847 --> 02:04:05,453
different due to the you can't ask for a special use permit in a1 unless it's specifically

1413
02:04:05,453 --> 02:04:10,191
listed somewhere so we can add it here. And list it so that they

1414
02:04:10,191 --> 02:04:12,993
can apply. Yes okay. I think that would be better.

1415
02:04:12,993 --> 02:04:16,463
and then when we come back to the a1 here in a little bit that ould be a listed special

1416
02:04:16,463 --> 02:04:19,299
use permit request. Mhm mhm. And what.

1417
02:04:19,299 --> 02:04:26,374
wre we adding into our c1 and. Greek government use. So right.

1418
02:04:26,374 --> 02:04:28,942
there yeah yeah. >> so that allows them to

1419
02:04:28,942 --> 02:04:32,480
operate in our. Parks or in. Some other event or.

1420
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:38,819
here at a library okay at fire station if they wanted to do I mean when I was a kid they did

1421
02:04:38,819 --> 02:04:42,489
the halloween at the fire station out in the florida highlands and.

1422
02:04:42,489 --> 02:04:51,489
>> right you want to make sure that that's available. When it comes to produce stands

1423
02:04:51,766 --> 02:04:56,437
so we don't allow permanent structures through the the roads temporary uh, roadside

1424
02:04:56,437 --> 02:05:01,541
vendors. But if it's a produce stand on a farm that's under the state

1425
02:05:01,541 --> 02:05:05,246
statutes, right. They have to get permits or that stand everything else.

1426
02:05:05,246 --> 02:05:08,682
we don't allow for a permanent structure. However, if it is a temporary.

1427
02:05:08,682 --> 02:05:13,653
tent pole barn facility or temporary structure they do need to get permits and that

1428
02:05:13,653 --> 02:05:18,325
might be for like your. Um christmas trees and stuff like that when they put up the

1429
02:05:18,325 --> 02:05:20,928
big tent for the christmas trees. I don't think we see a whole

1430
02:05:20,928 --> 02:05:27,201
lot of those in the county um anymore mostly. Populated area.

1431
02:05:27,201 --> 02:05:32,139
yeah they do have in town but. Yes, I don't know if we do any in the in the county anymore I

1432
02:05:32,139 --> 02:05:38,139
think. So but that's been in the code since 2013 okay.

1433
02:05:39,580 --> 02:05:42,949
and then we need to address the the gentleman's question about you.

1434
02:05:42,949 --> 02:05:48,155
know the. The food inside the trailer. So yes.

1435
02:05:48,155 --> 02:05:53,293
right now it says overnight food vegetables produce and that storage is not permitted.

1436
02:05:53,293 --> 02:05:54,494
did you. >> mean.

1437
02:05:54,494 --> 02:05:56,163
inside the trailer or. >> did.

1438
02:05:56,163 --> 02:05:58,432
you we can clarify if you would like to. Put it.

1439
02:05:58,432 --> 02:06:02,503
>> we need to put contained must be contained. It is not restored outside or

1440
02:06:02,503 --> 02:06:06,840
whatever. Then t becomes a question of if it's a do they have a

1441
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:09,242
generator to keep it nice and cool. You know.

1442
02:06:09,242 --> 02:06:15,190
> where are they located, what's adjacent to them kind of question and that's here I

1443
02:06:15,190 --> 02:06:19,195
understand it was a question you know you know we regulate but we do regulate publix at

1444
02:06:19,195 --> 02:06:22,664
mcdonald's the same when that came up. But so we're trying to treat

1445
02:06:22,664 --> 02:06:28,270
everybody the same here. You know we're not saying if you're in on a highway 200

1446
02:06:28,270 --> 02:06:33,275
corridor and be two away from all the way from any residential uses, you do this

1447
02:06:33,275 --> 02:06:39,148
but if you're out somewhere where in the in the rural areas next to a bunch of homes then

1448
02:06:39,148 --> 02:06:41,884
you do this. We don't have that and built into this.

1449
02:06:41,884 --> 02:06:46,688
so well yeah but. There's also I mean in essence listen if they want to run

1450
02:06:46,688 --> 02:06:49,524
their generator and it's not causing an issue. Right right.

1451
02:06:49,524 --> 02:06:51,761
because there's a lot of them out there that are really quiet now.

1452
02:06:51,761 --> 02:06:55,698
oh yes right. And so they may I've run to several of them they make no

1453
02:06:55,698 --> 02:06:59,340
noise. Yeah so it could be a non-issue.

1454
02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:03,239
right that's true. But if it is an issue and it's audible off the property then

1455
02:07:03,239 --> 02:07:08,644
we take care of it through the sound ordinance that generator can't run.

1456
02:07:08,644 --> 02:07:11,646
I think we can do it that way. >> so you're just going to put

1457
02:07:11,646 --> 02:07:17,460
no outside. No outside overnight. Food vegetable produce it's

1458
02:07:17,152 --> 02:07:19,855
better for storage. >> there is going to be no

1459
02:07:19,855 --> 02:07:22,525
matter which one of these whenever they close up the food truck they're going to have

1460
02:07:22,525 --> 02:07:23,259
food in. >> it.

1461
02:07:23,259 --> 02:07:28,960
at ome sort right? I mean that's okay right?

1462
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:31,801
>> I mean how do you how do you not have something in there? Okay we can put it outside.

1463
02:07:31,801 --> 02:07:37,206
and robin mentioned that this may be covered under the dpr. I bet you most f it is.

1464
02:07:37,206 --> 02:07:38,507
can we just check that? Yeah. Before we.

1465
02:07:38,507 --> 02:07:43,110
mister chair, can I just. Make a suggestion? Let's have staff go back and

1466
02:07:43,110 --> 02:07:45,414
look at everything that we've. >> asked.

1467
02:07:45,414 --> 02:07:50,619
them to look at and bring this back revised. It's way too many changes.

1468
02:07:50,619 --> 02:07:53,422
>> there's a I mean and then we're going to have to have another we're.

1469
02:07:53,422 --> 02:07:54,356
going to have. >> to.

1470
02:07:54,356 --> 02:07:57,626
have some more. Time to look over it. I mean they have a list of all

1471
02:07:57,626 --> 02:08:00,696
the questions and and all the concerns. We're trying to work through

1472
02:08:00,696 --> 02:08:07,103
this on the dais and. Yes it needs it needs a lot of work.

1473
02:08:07,103 --> 02:08:08,771
>> all right well. We'll we'll take it back going to be.

1474
02:08:08,771 --> 02:08:11,771
able to dated. September 14th.

1475
02:08:12,241 --> 02:08:14,843
>> no no but. >> I think they want to send it

1476
02:08:14,843 --> 02:08:18,180
back so send it back and then we can maybe hear this in october or something like that.

1477
02:08:18,180 --> 02:08:21,490
we can we will have I don't know. In the land development codes

1478
02:08:21,490 --> 02:08:24,953
meetings. We will have one drc meeting before the september.

1479
02:08:24,953 --> 02:08:28,991
>> 14th okay. And we can put this on there. Put it on there and see what we

1480
02:08:28,991 --> 02:08:31,993
can do. Then we if we come. Back if it's ready bring it

1481
02:08:31,993 --> 02:08:33,929
back. If it's not we'll. Bring it back and.

1482
02:08:33,929 --> 02:08:36,650
may I squeeze. >> it I mean yeah give him some

1483
02:08:36,650 --> 02:08:39,134
elders he's looking at a lot. Yeah I wouldn't say it's to try and squeeze this.

1484
02:08:39,134 --> 02:08:42,672
okay o we'll we'll. Just get let's get time to work on this.

1485
02:08:42,672 --> 02:08:46,108
we'll put it back into the cycle let it work through drc and come back with it.

1486
02:08:46,108 --> 02:08:48,678
yeah and I. >> would say too I would give

1487
02:08:48,678 --> 02:08:52,497
all of the people that have come out today make sure that we have all their contact

1488
02:08:52,497 --> 02:08:57,769
information so that they know when that ldr rc meeting is happening so they can come and

1489
02:08:57,769 --> 02:09:00,372
be a part of the process. >> well they've all been here

1490
02:09:00,372 --> 02:09:04,176
today and have heard what we're trying to do and it's not no one's trying to shut them down

1491
02:09:04,176 --> 02:09:08,460
or hurt them. So if you have suggestions about how we can fix the

1492
02:09:08,460 --> 02:09:12,183
problem that we're trying to fix without impacting you know the people who are doing it

1493
02:09:12,183 --> 02:09:14,986
right, send us those suggestions of how we can how we can do that.

1494
02:09:14,986 --> 02:09:17,455
yeah. >> can you have somebody from

1495
02:09:17,455 --> 02:09:21,860
staff meet everybody out in the lobby when we move into the next portion of our public

1496
02:09:21,860 --> 02:09:24,796
hearing so that we ake sure we have everyone's contact information?

1497
02:09:24,796 --> 02:09:31,803
can someone take one of these sheets and give it to who's presenting next, who's who's

1498
02:09:31,803 --> 02:09:37,742
not presenting next. I'm presenting next them. There you go check and grab

1499
02:09:37,742 --> 02:09:39,742
this. I know.

1500
02:09:41,145 --> 02:09:43,882
>> but then we can we can get the information on there and get a copy.

1501
02:09:43,882 --> 02:09:44,816
>> of it. Thank you.

1502
02:09:44,816 --> 02:09:49,153
>> thanks 14. I think he's got people out there.

1503
02:09:49,153 --> 02:09:53,358
all right so commissioners we're going to send this back to ask you to

1504
02:09:53,358 --> 02:09:54,760
work through. Yes yes. All right.

1505
02:09:54,760 --> 02:09:58,663
item number one of six. Moving to.

1506
02:09:58,663 --> 02:10:04,630
>> number two moving to. Number three. Oh yes three.

1507
02:10:05,837 --> 02:10:08,173
I just. >> is reminding us what.

1508
02:10:08,173 --> 02:10:13,211
we have in. Front of us. Yeah why how did this happen.

1509
02:10:13,211 --> 02:10:16,581
this was a. >> yeah how did we end up with

1510
02:10:16,581 --> 02:10:21,253
all of this with a scheduled to our public hearing. Because we should have been

1511
02:10:21,253 --> 02:10:23,788
better. We're counting on you to be better.

1512
02:10:23,788 --> 02:10:28,326
no way. This should not have been scheduled like this is what I'm

1513
02:10:28,326 --> 02:10:30,195
saying. Um.

1514
02:10:30,195 --> 02:10:33,899
>> should have been taken in a couple of different. We can take it differently.

1515
02:10:33,899 --> 02:10:35,734
all right. >> so thank you.

1516
02:10:35,734 --> 02:10:38,937
all for being here. We appreciate it. Um.

1517
02:10:38,937 --> 02:10:42,607
all right, you guys need. All good. We need a couple.

1518
02:10:42,607 --> 02:10:44,709
minutes now. We need to move along. Let's go.

1519
02:10:44,709 --> 02:10:46,611
all right. >> henry, deputy director,

1520
02:10:46,611 --> 02:10:49,611
growth services, this is section 4.3.30. .

1521
02:10:53,151 --> 02:11:00,609
>> we were scheduled for. Uh, this is a this would be a new section under, um, special

1522
02:11:00,609 --> 02:11:04,809
requirements of zoning. Spoke shops. So the.

1523
02:11:06,715 --> 02:11:12,860
one note hat we would like to say from what was published versus what's here today in the

1524
02:11:12,860 --> 02:11:20,628
red you'll see. Um we have changed the language a little bit just to include

1525
02:11:20,628 --> 02:11:26,734
schools, licensed daycare center, church place of worship or public park to be consistent

1526
02:11:26,734 --> 02:11:29,337
throughout the whole document so that they're in the same order.

1527
02:11:29,337 --> 02:11:35,544
and every time one of these items were mentioned all of them were mentioned and we

1528
02:11:35,544 --> 02:11:40,114
mimic this language off of the separation for alcohol.

1529
02:11:40,114 --> 02:11:43,551
>> sales or. You know, for on-site consumption or offsite

1530
02:11:43,551 --> 02:11:45,551
consumption and. Um.

1531
02:11:46,688 --> 02:11:51,126
>> you want to go through this line by line or. Mister just.

1532
02:11:51,126 --> 02:11:53,295
>> want me to summarize what. I'm good with.

1533
02:11:53,295 --> 02:11:54,562
>> you can just. >> give us a summary.

1534
02:11:54,562 --> 02:12:01,236
I just have one addition I'd like to include and that would be to insert language for the

1535
02:12:01,236 --> 02:12:07,709
synthetic kratom. That that's not in here. Yeah that was one of the things

1536
02:12:07,709 --> 02:12:12,247
commissioner stern that I wanted to do as well. Um, except that I think I think

1537
02:12:12,247 --> 02:12:17,519
trying to put synthetic in there is going to be an issue. I'm okay with just saying

1538
02:12:17,519 --> 02:12:22,423
kratom in general at smoke shops next to schools. I don't care if it's that way.

1539
02:12:22,423 --> 02:12:26,610
we don't get into this thing of having to have code enforcement go test if this is synthetic or

1540
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:26,995
not. Okay there.

1541
02:12:26,995 --> 02:12:28,496
>> you go. >> yeah I'm fine.

1542
02:12:28,496 --> 02:12:30,999
oay so this is. >> it's.

1543
02:12:30,999 --> 02:12:34,100
not banning it. It's just. Only in these shops next to

1544
02:12:34,100 --> 02:12:38,706
schools in these places where. You want that item to only be sold in these two shops.

1545
02:12:38,706 --> 02:12:43,445
so what you're asking. Not to be sold in these shops in these locations.

1546
02:12:43,445 --> 02:12:48,550
not to be sold in these locations. So where it says no commercial

1547
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:53,121
establishment use for premises selling consumption of tobacco ,tobacco, tobacco products,

1548
02:12:53,121 --> 02:12:55,490
tobacco paraphernalia or kratom . Okay exactly.

1549
02:12:55,490 --> 02:12:58,250
as my thought. But yes. So how does.

1550
02:12:58,250 --> 02:13:04,320
that goes? I fall into place it with a c store.

1551
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,802
that already in those locations . Well those are those are

1552
02:13:07,802 --> 02:13:09,504
grandfathered. We can't do anything about that.

1553
02:13:09,504 --> 02:13:12,974
it's just that there will be no new establishments. But I would note though that.

1554
02:13:12,974 --> 02:13:19,648
um ike we had in the discussion last week uh, you know, we're waiting on dea to

1555
02:13:19,648 --> 02:13:26,621
do whatever they're going to do but there's currently the statute the 500.092 that all

1556
02:13:26,621 --> 02:13:33,295
florida statute that already bans sale of even the leaves or t to people under 21.

1557
02:13:33,295 --> 02:13:35,597
right. >> so if it's close to school

1558
02:13:35,597 --> 02:13:39,434
presumably all those kids. Those tobacco though. Yeah and.

1559
02:13:39,434 --> 02:13:41,736
that's the. >> that's the.

1560
02:13:41,736 --> 02:13:47,136
>> point okay. Back when tobacco products are not supposed.

1561
02:13:47,689 --> 02:13:52,694
over 18 year. Why why do we I mean why. Do we.

1562
02:13:52,694 --> 02:13:56,398
>> need to I'm just out of curiosity why do you call out. Great freedom?

1563
02:13:56,398 --> 02:13:59,835
I mean. When you're not calling out tobacco or any other derivative

1564
02:13:59,835 --> 02:14:01,636
of that we. >> are we.

1565
02:14:01,636 --> 02:14:03,838
are calling it out tobacco. >> we're calling out tobacco

1566
02:14:03,838 --> 02:14:05,706
tobacco products and tobacco paraphernalia. Yeah.

1567
02:14:05,706 --> 02:14:10,278
>> and I just want to include kratom after that so that you don't have a standalone kratom.

1568
02:14:10,278 --> 02:14:13,848
I'm not a smoke shop. I'm just selling kratom. Okay.

1569
02:14:13,848 --> 02:14:15,784
>> yeah okay. I see what you're saying.

1570
02:14:15,784 --> 02:14:16,584
> mr.. Sure.

1571
02:14:16,584 --> 02:14:20,856
>> thank you. Yes, commissioner. Um or any of the changes.

1572
02:14:20,856 --> 02:14:25,660
um. Do we have any current businesses that are operating

1573
02:14:25,660 --> 02:14:29,260
that would. Violate these. Changes and.

1574
02:14:29,831 --> 02:14:32,000
is there. >> going to be a grandfather

1575
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,402
clause. Or what. If here is.

1576
02:14:34,402 --> 02:14:38,673
>> a grandfather in here. I know, I know there's one shop this next to anthony.

1577
02:14:38,673 --> 02:14:43,770
it's going to be the one at least that I know of and there might be more but I know that

1578
02:14:43,770 --> 02:14:45,413
there's that because I get complaints on the one and anthony.

1579
02:14:45,413 --> 02:14:47,749
all the time. But is it.

1580
02:14:47,749 --> 02:14:49,617
>> going to be grandfathered? >> it has to be grandfathered

1581
02:14:49,617 --> 02:14:54,589
okay. Yeah so there needs to be some. Line yeah.

1582
02:14:54,589 --> 02:15:01,129
it's so on the item see here I apologize we don't have the. Um line numbers here but item

1583
02:15:01,129 --> 02:15:04,729
c. Yeah it says. Establishments existing.

1584
02:15:05,567 --> 02:15:10,972
um on this the effective date of this code do not that do not meet the above requirements

1585
02:15:10,972 --> 02:15:15,143
shall be deemed preexisting and nonconforming uses so it would just be preexisting

1586
02:15:15,143 --> 02:15:21,249
nonconforming and we would let them live out their business life if they happen to close

1587
02:15:21,249 --> 02:15:26,455
they try to come back later than they would have to follow the code.

1588
02:15:26,455 --> 02:15:30,570
okay okay. Any other questions or comments for staff?

1589
02:15:30,570 --> 02:15:35,430
anyone in the public want to speak on this? Any anyone else?

1590
02:15:35,430 --> 02:15:37,830
mhm. >> come on down.

1591
02:15:39,100 --> 02:15:44,740
southeast 36th avenue I would suggest instead of adding the word kratom that you say kratom

1592
02:15:44,740 --> 02:15:50,612
product as defined in section whatever it was or as defined in florida law because all

1593
02:15:50,612 --> 02:15:56,151
somebody has to do is put a different label on it and say oh this isn't right um this is

1594
02:15:56,151 --> 02:16:01,623
k12 or something. So you need to define what it is with kratom and mr. Minor

1595
02:16:01,623 --> 02:16:06,610
cited the correct statute you can either get definition out of that or you can say create

1596
02:16:06,610 --> 02:16:09,130
product as defined in section. So it's just a.

1597
02:16:09,130 --> 02:16:14,530
>> suggestion. Thank you right mhm. Good suggestion for ra.

1598
02:16:18,841 --> 02:16:23,346
morning. My name is joseph walker. I live at 18820.

1599
02:16:23,346 --> 02:16:29,946
southeast fourthly. Oklahoma florida 32179. And I see we're going to be

1600
02:16:30,586 --> 02:16:35,624
talking about smoke shop just also going to include alcohol places too around schools and

1601
02:16:35,624 --> 02:16:39,195
parks. That's already in place that's been in place yes sir.

1602
02:16:39,195 --> 02:16:41,364
well I. >> my my biggest problem is.

1603
02:16:41,364 --> 02:16:44,166
they don't maintain the properties. We have.

1604
02:16:44,166 --> 02:16:48,337
them in the forest area. We have. People they buy.

1605
02:16:48,337 --> 02:16:53,175
>> the liquor there and they go on to a county park. And also on our first.

1606
02:16:53,175 --> 02:16:55,644
slide library. >> which is coming property and

1607
02:16:55,644 --> 02:16:58,747
grant can do the drugs back in there. Are we going to have.

1608
02:16:58,747 --> 02:17:00,749
something in here that said. We have to they.

1609
02:17:00,749 --> 02:17:02,251
>> have. To. Maintain the properties.

1610
02:17:02,251 --> 02:17:06,856
along side here. And then when in push from beginning to get from these.

1611
02:17:06,856 --> 02:17:11,961
so-called stores and stuff. That don't comply with the. Laws on.

1612
02:17:11,961 --> 02:17:17,433
it we have garbage, we have litter, we have them you know, we have fences down because

1613
02:17:17,433 --> 02:17:22,671
they're not repaired. On a here. And we need to have something

1614
02:17:22,671 --> 02:17:28,711
called here says we have to maintain properties on here even with the alcohol stuff

1615
02:17:28,711 --> 02:17:31,647
here so we don't get the kids to start. Happening and.

1616
02:17:31,647 --> 02:17:35,985
>> there's no reason why we don't have an enforcement. Of litter laws and garbage laws

1617
02:17:35,985 --> 02:17:42,791
in here that require them to maintain the properties. You know, it just ain't the

1618
02:17:42,791 --> 02:17:48,764
smoke shops only it's and liquor stores also it's the. Whole that about that issue

1619
02:17:48,764 --> 02:17:53,635
mr.. Um walker thank you and mr. Chair if you don't mind me

1620
02:17:53,635 --> 02:17:58,307
saying um yeah that that's not necessarily what we're addressing here today in this

1621
02:17:58,307 --> 02:17:59,608
particular well. >> I.

1622
02:17:59,608 --> 02:18:05,800
understand what I'm looking at. What I'm looking at is here is we have an orange n there.

1623
02:18:05,800 --> 02:18:10,686
it says when they don't maintain the property and let illegal activities go on here

1624
02:18:10,686 --> 02:18:14,230
we can pull their license and get it out of here. That's what I'm.

1625
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:15,900
looking at. >> yeah.

1626
02:18:15,900 --> 02:18:19,694
>> and mr. Walker, we can enforce, you know, regulations and littering and

1627
02:18:19,694 --> 02:18:24,633
loitering and all that kind of stuff on their property. But you know we can't if

1628
02:18:24,633 --> 02:18:25,901
somebody walked across. >> the street.

1629
02:18:25,901 --> 02:18:30,706
I don't know how you would enforce that on on a county property enforce that against

1630
02:18:30,706 --> 02:18:34,710
them. The law says e ain't supposed to have liquor on the property

1631
02:18:34,710 --> 02:18:39,749
anyhow and our our county property and nobody nobody enforces it.

1632
02:18:39,749 --> 02:18:45,654
so well we enforce it when we see it or we get a complaint. So thank you for your comment.

1633
02:18:45,654 --> 02:18:51,527
all right commissioner. Hey I got one more I mean is this going to cover tobacco?

1634
02:18:51,527 --> 02:18:57,967
is this going to cover vape vape products I mean is that considered tobacco and.

1635
02:18:57,967 --> 02:19:03,760
yes but we can clarify just to be sure please we can. Because I think because that's

1636
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:07,213
because that's you know, I just says smoke shops and is this tobacco tobacco products

1637
02:19:07,213 --> 02:19:10,550
tobacco paraphernalia I don't know f vape products are considered tobacco.

1638
02:19:10,550 --> 02:19:14,870
um, now that we're talking about definitions and statute and stuff that's what brought

1639
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:18,492
it up. The vape part I think is even more so the the concern if

1640
02:19:18,492 --> 02:19:22,930
someone were to just say well I don't have any tobacco, I only have nicotine products.

1641
02:19:22,930 --> 02:19:26,300
um, that's actually more of. >> the issue that.

1642
02:19:26,300 --> 02:19:27,501
>> you're. Trying to. Capture is all.

1643
02:19:27,501 --> 02:19:28,435
these all. >> these.

1644
02:19:28,435 --> 02:19:31,105
color off and you look at that for us please. Raspberry flavored vapes.

1645
02:19:31,105 --> 02:19:35,943
and stuff. We need we need a definition for that.

1646
02:19:35,943 --> 02:19:44,385
we I think you should do it. If we're going to get into legal definitions.

1647
02:19:44,385 --> 02:19:47,321
all right. >> any other questions or

1648
02:19:47,321 --> 02:19:48,388
comments. Mhm.

1649
02:19:48,388 --> 02:19:50,757
>> and can you get from us. I'm good. All right.

1650
02:19:50,757 --> 02:19:54,495
so move this on to the. September chairman. Uh yes.

1651
02:19:54,495 --> 02:20:02,335
uh what mr. Walker was just referring to um uh is here any chance of incorporating ome of

1652
02:20:02,335 --> 02:20:09,535
that wording in the litter ordinance in terms of responsibility keep things

1653
02:20:09,643 --> 02:20:14,815
clean property requirements? Um, that would be the place for it.

1654
02:20:14,815 --> 02:20:20,860
yeah. Maybe a better place for it. Associated not here but if we

1655
02:20:20,860 --> 02:20:26,930
could just look at that and see if it could be as simple as and inserting something in that

1656
02:20:26,930 --> 02:20:29,693
ordinance. Any other questions or comments ?

1657
02:20:31,165 --> 02:20:35,369
commissioners you go ahead and move this on. September september 14th all

1658
02:20:35,369 --> 02:20:42,569
right we're good to go. All right number four. Uh good morning

1659
02:20:45,212 --> 02:20:50,117
cmmissioners jim cooler your county's landscape architect. Uh uh, number four is actually

1660
02:20:50,117 --> 02:20:55,923
definitions and if if I may entertain you of moving trees ahead of definitions because

1661
02:20:55,923 --> 02:20:58,859
there's some discussions within the tree code that will affect definition.

1662
02:20:58,859 --> 02:21:00,600
oh that's a. >> good point okay.

1663
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:03,464
could move on to number five. Yes, sir. Uh, that'd be great.

1664
02:21:03,464 --> 02:21:05,864
um. Yes, sir. Uh.

1665
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:16,600
>> uh, commissioners, I did provide you with a packet on the left side of each one of

1666
02:21:18,145 --> 02:21:22,820
your, um, workstations there that had some, uh, hard copies .

1667
02:21:22,820 --> 02:21:25,819
these were these are and the clerk has this the county administration team has it

1668
02:21:25,819 --> 02:21:27,637
as well. Um.

1669
02:21:27,637 --> 02:21:32,576
>> staff went through all of the ldr changes. We found a couple of things

1670
02:21:32,576 --> 02:21:38,783
that we think we should adjust. Um, and we can go line item by line item through uh, the drc

1671
02:21:38,783 --> 02:21:43,200
version so we can uh, tell you where we align and uh where we do not align.

1672
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,123
okay. >> uh so we're going to start

1673
02:21:46,123 --> 02:21:50,923
first with um tree protection. Uh. Hans got.

1674
02:21:51,795 --> 02:21:55,933
>> this up on the screen and this includes our our edits as well.

1675
02:21:55,933 --> 02:22:00,404
um and I'm going to use the term support or not support when we come across some of

1676
02:22:00,404 --> 02:22:03,874
their changes for you. So we're clear and then we're going to just keep on moving

1677
02:22:03,874 --> 02:22:09,213
okay. Uh so your first one is n line uh page one and line b or

1678
02:22:09,213 --> 02:22:14,884
excuse me on line 11 uh with the word trees uh being replaced by new we support

1679
02:22:14,884 --> 02:22:21,191
that. Um go ahead scroll down the bottom can uh here's the, u

1680
02:22:21,191 --> 02:22:24,561
agricultural clawback. We support the removal of that as well.

1681
02:22:24,561 --> 02:22:31,168
um, you're on ine 30 here. It's that item d yep. Uh, we're going to go to the

1682
02:22:31,168 --> 02:22:36,639
next page line three here's a proposed change. Um, so the tree removal of

1683
02:22:36,639 --> 02:22:43,580
trees that have a dba of less than the current code which was approved on july 7th or eighth,

1684
02:22:43,580 --> 02:22:50,520
uh, this commission has t as 20in but going back through this code uh, and shade tree

1685
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:54,324
credits and everything else and the other credits that they're being they're asking for uh

1686
02:22:54,324 --> 02:22:58,796
we're proposing to go back to the 2013 definition of regulated tree going back down

1687
02:22:58,796 --> 02:23:03,133
to ten inches. Uh, 've talked o some of our local landscape architects and

1688
02:23:03,133 --> 02:23:07,804
they're at all that we actually raised it to 20. There's a lot of good trees

1689
02:23:07,804 --> 02:23:13,877
that are between 10 and 19in um that we should be preserving as well and count those

1690
02:23:13,877 --> 02:23:21,218
as trees that need to be re uh re replaced so we support the the strikethrough of as in

1691
02:23:21,218 --> 02:23:25,555
conservation and the add of as replacement. Yet the change that we're

1692
02:23:25,555 --> 02:23:30,994
looking for today would be to go from ten inches or may 20th inches down to ten.

1693
02:23:30,994 --> 02:23:36,300
uh and there's more discussion about that and some of the future tables to help anchor

1694
02:23:36,300 --> 02:23:41,572
your decision. Um what um know we're going to get there at some point, but

1695
02:23:41,572 --> 02:23:43,239
just since we're here now. Um.

1696
02:23:43,239 --> 02:23:47,544
>> hen we do the the the credits for the trees, what size do they start up?

1697
02:23:47,544 --> 02:23:53,684
uh, right now they're being proposed from 4 inch to 9 inch and then above and I think

1698
02:23:53,684 --> 02:23:59,189
that's where the disparity is if we're going to give credits for shade trees uh, reserving

1699
02:23:59,189 --> 02:24:03,427
four inch trees we should regulate at ten inches and move over.

1700
02:24:03,427 --> 02:24:06,620
thank you. >> and that's what I was going

1701
02:24:06,620 --> 02:24:09,330
to allude to in the future. Bt thank you. Uh, commissioner mcclain.

1702
02:24:09,330 --> 02:24:17,551
uh, the next change, um, is on line 19 of page two we support um we that is a staff edit uh,

1703
02:24:17,551 --> 02:24:23,490
you see the strike through uf ifas assessment of non-native plants in the landscape code we

1704
02:24:23,490 --> 02:24:29,960
did shift over to the florida invasive species council. Uh, so I just made that change

1705
02:24:29,960 --> 02:24:37,710
to be consistent between trees uh, the the tree section and the andscape section.

1706
02:24:37,710 --> 02:24:46,247
um this next section here which says the area on line 30 uh, we support that uh we also support

1707
02:24:46,247 --> 02:24:53,821
the item uh in five except for the word as non-viable. Uh, we'd prefer to have that

1708
02:24:53,821 --> 02:24:57,925
removed. Uh, but the rest of the the additions and deletions in that

1709
02:24:57,925 --> 02:25:04,525
section are so we support. There's no changes on page three.

1710
02:25:05,660 --> 02:25:10,570
that's all about the tree protection and the critical zones we get into.

1711
02:25:10,570 --> 02:25:19,570
um page four um item 14 the county's landscape architect designee we do we are proposing

1712
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:27,755
a change um in this section because this relates to the. Pre construction inspection and

1713
02:25:27,755 --> 02:25:35,963
the final tree inspection at the bottom of this this uh article um so we can we'll get

1714
02:25:35,963 --> 02:25:41,369
to that and refer back to this. But what this is actually showing is that a pre clearing

1715
02:25:41,369 --> 02:25:47,575
grubbing grading on site review of all required tree protection barricades shall be conducted

1716
02:25:47,575 --> 02:25:55,816
in accordance with section 6.7. 12 which is at the bottom of this section and required

1717
02:25:55,816 --> 02:26:00,554
certification shall be provided to the county's landscape architect or their designee.

1718
02:26:00,554 --> 02:26:07,595
ecuse me uh on that typo prior to any clearing grubbing grading operations.

1719
02:26:07,595 --> 02:26:12,999
um so that would effectively replace their proposed uh if the county fails to inspect

1720
02:26:12,999 --> 02:26:16,604
within ten days, they can proceed with. The work we can get.

1721
02:26:16,604 --> 02:26:22,760
if you'd like, I an jump down to 6.7. 12 to see how that ties in.

1722
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:26,547
uh or we can get there. I would discuss it when we get there and then follow back up

1723
02:26:26,547 --> 02:26:29,483
with that. Either way I'm prepared. Yep.

1724
02:26:29,483 --> 02:26:30,885
>> go ahead. You want to.

1725
02:26:30,885 --> 02:26:33,153
>> go to it. Please jump to it. Commissioner mcclain would like

1726
02:26:33,153 --> 02:26:36,153
to see it. >> yes, sir.

1727
02:26:36,991 --> 02:26:43,171
what page is that on? Uh, so it is on page. Where are we at here.

1728
02:26:43,171 --> 02:26:47,443
make sure age ten. Page ten. Page ten I don't have the page

1729
02:26:47,443 --> 02:26:48,577
dividers up. Thank you.

1730
02:26:48,577 --> 02:26:56,652
>> there we go. So, um, so what we've done here uh, with the re-construction

1731
02:26:56,652 --> 02:27:01,357
remember this was something that we had as our team would go out and do the

1732
02:27:01,357 --> 02:27:08,897
pre-construction inspections. Uh, dr rc came n with the proposal uh or the

1733
02:27:08,897 --> 02:27:14,690
appropriately licensed design professional designated by the applicant so the or in that

1734
02:27:14,690 --> 02:27:18,674
would pretty much default to them using their la or their engineer whoever that

1735
02:27:18,674 --> 02:27:25,214
pofessional is. So what we're proposing is to say uh to remove the county's

1736
02:27:25,214 --> 02:27:30,185
landscape architect, our team's job of going out and do those inspections and putting it

1737
02:27:30,185 --> 02:27:35,624
solely on the appropriately licensed design professional whether it's the la or the

1738
02:27:35,624 --> 02:27:38,961
civil engineer for the project . And then they would certify

1739
02:27:38,961 --> 02:27:43,898
that they've completed that post or pre-construction through a certification signed

1740
02:27:43,898 --> 02:27:47,536
and sealed letter to our department saying yes they have done that.

1741
02:27:47,536 --> 02:27:52,608
they have inspected the tree barricades, they are installed prior to construction that

1742
02:27:52,608 --> 02:27:56,712
takes us out of the mix. It does not delay anything on our end.

1743
02:27:56,712 --> 02:28:01,150
we are not uh. Cog a block any cog in any wheel.

1744
02:28:01,150 --> 02:28:07,589
um it also helps defer liability uh, towards the county and that's important.

1745
02:28:07,589 --> 02:28:15,397
um, the same idea is in the post construction um opportunity here where we've

1746
02:28:15,397 --> 02:28:21,603
also removed the county's landscape architect and our designee and put it solely on

1747
02:28:21,603 --> 02:28:24,540
the design professionals license. Sure.

1748
02:28:24,540 --> 02:28:31,280
um, there is an option that we do have provided an item c in lieu of applicant designating

1749
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:36,752
their appropriately licensed design professional to onduct the preconstruction inspection

1750
02:28:36,752 --> 02:28:42,324
or the final inspection. They may equest us to do that for an appropriate fee and our

1751
02:28:42,324 --> 02:28:44,724
fes resolution. That's good.

1752
02:28:45,860 --> 02:28:48,430
>> hey on the pre-approval. >> yes sir.

1753
02:28:48,430 --> 02:28:53,635
besides just a letter can we also have them provide you know the documentation that

1754
02:28:53,635 --> 02:28:58,107
it was done for photographs? I mean typically they had to do that anyway right?

1755
02:28:58,107 --> 02:29:02,444
I that may be a little redundant if they're if they're providing a letter on their

1756
02:29:02,444 --> 02:29:07,316
letterhead that signed sealed then uh that's good enough. We'll put that into the epl

1757
02:29:07,316 --> 02:29:11,386
system will be on the record for that parcel and then the same thing would happen at the

1758
02:29:11,386 --> 02:29:13,388
final okay. >> so if.

1759
02:29:13,388 --> 02:29:16,992
>> they've disturbed any root zones or if they've created any danger positions or these trees

1760
02:29:16,992 --> 02:29:20,278
are no longer viable that's that's for them to take care.

1761
02:29:20,278 --> 02:29:22,678
>> of. Okay I'm good.

1762
02:29:22,881 --> 02:29:27,618
>> with that. So it all ties together back up with the original section 6.7.3

1763
02:29:27,618 --> 02:29:32,157
and we're going to go back to uh page. We're going to jump to page

1764
02:29:32,157 --> 02:29:40,165
five then um which starts off with some uh of the shade tree credits that we were talking

1765
02:29:40,165 --> 02:29:43,234
about just a moment ago. On the table. Ys, sir.

1766
02:29:43,234 --> 02:29:46,771
there's a couple of words up here. Uh, some changes we support all

1767
02:29:46,771 --> 02:29:50,242
of these changes. You'll see assessment substituted with the word

1768
02:29:50,242 --> 02:29:55,460
evaluation which we are fine with. Uh other other a little clean

1769
02:29:55,460 --> 02:29:59,184
up in here is all good. It's been very helpful. Jessica and her team have been

1770
02:29:59,184 --> 02:30:02,554
great with some of these changes and made everything a lot more consistent.

1771
02:30:02,554 --> 02:30:08,660
um, so here's the shade tree credit table. Um, and you can see that they

1772
02:30:08,660 --> 02:30:16,267
had gone down to 4 inch to 9 inch on getting credits for shade saving trees that small.

1773
02:30:16,267 --> 02:30:21,606
if we're giving people credit for saving trees that small, then let's make sure that we're

1774
02:30:21,606 --> 02:30:25,676
at a decent level for protecting and regulating trees .

1775
02:30:25,676 --> 02:30:31,282
um, even with the proposed uh hey, they're only going to get credit if they meet a certain

1776
02:30:31,282 --> 02:30:35,153
standard. You can see that sub note underneath the table it would

1777
02:30:35,153 --> 02:30:42,527
have read to receive credit preserve shade trees under ten inches gain uh shall be uh

1778
02:30:42,527 --> 02:30:45,463
florida number two quality or better established by grades and standards.

1779
02:30:45,463 --> 02:30:51,869
so that means their la or their engineer which I've cautioned them about is going out and

1780
02:30:51,869 --> 02:30:57,509
evaluating every tree as a potential save if you just lump them in is regulated trees at

1781
02:30:57,509 --> 02:31:01,179
ten inches it over you've automatically drawn the line at ten inches.

1782
02:31:01,179 --> 02:31:05,170
anything below ten inches you can remove without without permission.

1783
02:31:05,170 --> 02:31:08,953
I saves a lot of time, it saves a lot and. It removes lot.

1784
02:31:08,953 --> 02:31:12,591
of confusion in the shade tree and the credits and the replacement requirements.

1785
02:31:12,591 --> 02:31:16,661
put remove the 4 to 9 yes. >> yep so our suggestion was

1786
02:31:16,661 --> 02:31:22,167
remove 4 to 9 and then they did consolidate the sizes. So yes.

1787
02:31:22,167 --> 02:31:23,802
you're good with that. Yes sir.

1788
02:31:23,802 --> 02:31:31,900
>> yes I am very um and they did consolidate the sizes for trade you credits from uh 10

1789
02:31:31,900 --> 02:31:35,547
inch to 29 inch it's one credit and then you can see down there from 30 to 35 it's two and 36

1790
02:31:35,547 --> 02:31:41,186
and above is three. We're good with all this changes.

1791
02:31:41,186 --> 02:31:49,160
um the the next uh edit here on e they have uh minimum size caliper 3.5in.

1792
02:31:49,160 --> 02:31:54,298
this is just repeating and clarifying what's in the landscape code as this is the

1793
02:31:54,298 --> 02:31:57,690
tree code they brought it in which is an appropriate reference.

1794
02:31:57,690 --> 02:32:04,642
so we support that. Um I am skipping ahead um and just just for reference I make

1795
02:32:04,642 --> 02:32:07,913
sure everybody knows this the black text you see is. What we what.

1796
02:32:07,913 --> 02:32:10,480
>> we already done right? Yep. It's what you already adopted.

1797
02:32:10,480 --> 02:32:20,480
um um 6.7.7 at the top of page 11 or excuse me page 711 um item b is uh, a strikethrough

1798
02:32:22,760 --> 02:32:25,397
request. Uh, the applicant will be required to revise and update

1799
02:32:25,397 --> 02:32:28,233
to the tree preservation information. We support that removal.

1800
02:32:28,233 --> 02:32:36,341
uh, edit um here's one that we do not support and that would be under perrin three the

1801
02:32:36,341 --> 02:32:41,141
protected tree eplacement requirements. Um, that sentence under

1802
02:32:41,246 --> 02:32:46,918
parentheses is in no case shall the replacement tree count exceed 100in per acre.

1803
02:32:46,918 --> 02:32:51,223
that automatically brings us back to the 2013 ode. Yeah.

1804
02:32:51,223 --> 02:32:56,528
>> uh, so we we do not support that addition. And get rid of that.

1805
02:32:56,528 --> 02:33:00,798
we didn't even have it in our other correct. We only do a different system.

1806
02:33:00,798 --> 02:33:02,798
yep. Very good.

1807
02:33:03,968 --> 02:33:09,374
>> yeah okay next one uh. The one below that where regulated trees do not have

1808
02:33:09,374 --> 02:33:15,279
federal exemptions we support that uh we support uh the the part underneath here which is

1809
02:33:15,279 --> 02:33:21,852
permissible the typo correcting that and then the assessment the evaluation um this this is

1810
02:33:21,852 --> 02:33:27,692
another one we do not support per into the specimen tree is located within or materially

1811
02:33:27,692 --> 02:33:31,796
interferes with the proposed building footprint. Uh, this would essentially take

1812
02:33:31,796 --> 02:33:37,802
your specimen tree regulation and throw it out the window. Uh, we'd still believe and the

1813
02:33:37,802 --> 02:33:42,807
opportunity to work with applicants to to see what we can do is a balance between

1814
02:33:42,807 --> 02:33:46,944
their proposed tree preservation and their desire to develop a site and that'll

1815
02:33:46,944 --> 02:33:51,549
work out well, um, we have w've had great success doing that.

1816
02:33:51,549 --> 02:33:54,152
that's what we've talked. About that they have to if they have to remove it and it's

1817
02:33:54,152 --> 02:33:56,200
special and they have to at least demonstrate it. Yes.

1818
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:57,688
okay. So we need to go back to what we had.

1819
02:33:57,688 --> 02:34:05,830
yes like that okay. Uh bottom of that you see existing change preserve that's

1820
02:34:05,830 --> 02:34:13,630
fine. Um then we get into page eight item 14 uh, removal of 25% of

1821
02:34:13,771 --> 02:34:17,642
the trees cannot canopy ithout the approval of an arborist or landscape architect.

1822
02:34:17,642 --> 02:34:20,812
this is about tree abuse. This is a good addition. We support that.

1823
02:34:20,812 --> 02:34:25,612
okay. >> uh, then we get into item g

1824
02:34:26,384 --> 02:34:32,290
where you see the preservation of existing regulated says noninvasive I would strike

1825
02:34:32,290 --> 02:34:37,929
noninvasive so we don't support that and I would keep the term regulated here um because then

1826
02:34:37,929 --> 02:34:44,336
you start going down into the whole tree replacement criteria uh tree preserve criteria and

1827
02:34:44,336 --> 02:34:48,240
it starts at ten inches. So again we're going back to the ten inches consistently.

1828
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:53,946
we were okay with leaving that uh as they're proposed but that top section there we would like

1829
02:34:53,946 --> 02:34:57,516
to strike uh noninvasive and leave the term. Regulated.

1830
02:34:57,516 --> 02:34:59,516
>> okay. >> quick question.

1831
02:35:00,153 --> 02:35:05,324
um I think I asked you this before I can't remember what your answer or any of our

1832
02:35:05,324 --> 02:35:08,324
regulated trees considered invasive. No.

1833
02:35:09,795 --> 02:35:12,795
>> they're not invasive anyway . Right.

1834
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:19,505
>> um, we do require the removal of invasive species within the project area and

1835
02:35:19,505 --> 02:35:21,374
that's been a change in hat it's not.

1836
02:35:21,374 --> 02:35:23,843
>> the entire project site. We're only. Looking for he project area

1837
02:35:23,843 --> 02:35:27,246
within that. So if they're working on large piece of property they

1838
02:35:27,246 --> 02:35:31,317
just want to. Do a project n a corner of it. Then we only focus on the

1839
02:35:31,317 --> 02:35:36,923
removal of invasive species in that. Um it makes a lot more sense uh

1840
02:35:36,923 --> 02:35:42,895
this big uh strikethrough on h item line 15 we support that because uh, through mr.

1841
02:35:42,895 --> 02:35:48,468
gooding's help we were ble to combine h in the eye and clarify that the only change

1842
02:35:48,468 --> 02:35:53,339
that we need to make is on line 20 where it's reference is 20 inch.

1843
02:35:53,339 --> 02:35:58,878
we want to make sure that we're consistent and use ten inch uh the rest of that paragraph we

1844
02:35:58,878 --> 02:36:05,478
support. Uh tree mitigation fund. Uh this was a revision comes

1845
02:36:06,151 --> 02:36:10,423
from county administration uh, that last sentence there this fund shall be used to enhance

1846
02:36:10,423 --> 02:36:15,227
tree replacement on county owned and or managed property period.

1847
02:36:15,227 --> 02:36:20,366
um um that's good. That'll allow for parks libraries right of ways

1848
02:36:20,366 --> 02:36:25,638
whichever we can do to help the county enhance our our ssets. .

1849
02:36:25,638 --> 02:36:31,444
um and then we have we support the tree the strike through the tree mitigation section here on

1850
02:36:31,444 --> 02:36:38,785
item b and then the uh the solid the the point down in paragraph c about the process

1851
02:36:38,785 --> 02:36:42,721
of determining the cost for tree mitigation. That's what we do already and

1852
02:36:42,721 --> 02:36:47,590
we support that. There was a typo in the reference to development review

1853
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:52,598
it said commission we clarified that with committee and then in paragraph d on the following

1854
02:36:52,598 --> 02:36:58,871
page we had the same the same edit uh committee was uh changed or commission was

1855
02:36:58,871 --> 02:37:06,671
changed to committee. Um and tree maintenance and management uh the we support

1856
02:37:07,450 --> 02:37:10,916
this addition and strike through here appropriate notice and governing documents for the

1857
02:37:10,916 --> 02:37:15,321
community. . Um and then we get into tree

1858
02:37:15,321 --> 02:37:19,425
inspections. We've already talked about 6.7. 12 and how that system would

1859
02:37:19,425 --> 02:37:24,825
change for preconstruction and final uh inspections. Um, that.

1860
02:37:26,712 --> 02:37:31,684
mr. Chair, board members summarizes all the changes that we support and do not support.

1861
02:37:31,684 --> 02:37:38,884
for are e are we keeping that in in 067 12. Um things forgot.

1862
02:37:40,559 --> 02:37:47,800
the pre the preconstruction inspection can be done by any anybody the designee and the

1863
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:51,403
post. Uh yeah for both of them would be consistent so hey're

1864
02:37:51,403 --> 02:37:56,141
they're um licensed professional can do that. Uh liz just jumped up and

1865
02:37:56,141 --> 02:37:57,609
pointed out. Which section was. That was.

1866
02:37:57,609 --> 02:38:07,209
>> 710 d okay. Um I need to go back up I miss I lew by a rather.

1867
02:38:07,786 --> 02:38:17,386
quickly here. I am back on page ten at the very top line one payment into

1868
02:38:17,629 --> 02:38:27,229
the tree mitigation fund and it was proposed to be shall uh actually it was right.

1869
02:38:27,573 --> 02:38:34,773
proposed to be may and with um . We partial and now they're

1870
02:38:35,113 --> 02:38:40,385
proposing striking shall and proposing may. Yes we wanted to change that

1871
02:38:40,385 --> 02:38:42,860
back. Shall yes.

1872
02:38:42,860 --> 02:38:49,694
>> and then jim can you. Go to um there's another strike through six 712.

1873
02:38:49,694 --> 02:38:53,894
on item c um that's. Through because.

1874
02:38:54,933 --> 02:38:58,200
>> I uh that's right. We do not support that.

1875
02:38:58,200 --> 02:39:02,106
>> we don't support right. So they damage it. They should have to replace it.

1876
02:39:02,106 --> 02:39:05,210
yes. Reconstruction we do ot support that okay.

1877
02:39:05,210 --> 02:39:09,114
commissioners, are you okay with keeping that? It's um.

1878
02:39:09,114 --> 02:39:15,714
page 11. Line for item c. If the tree you know if

1879
02:39:16,154 --> 02:39:19,691
basically the save the tree and then the ree is is damaged during.

1880
02:39:19,691 --> 02:39:24,829
construction there should be. No point is to say right tree and if they don't correct then

1881
02:39:24,829 --> 02:39:30,235
we need to have the ability to replace the tree. Or whatever that is.

1882
02:39:30,235 --> 02:39:32,370
they struck it. Right right.

1883
02:39:32,370 --> 02:39:36,274
>> we want we don't we don't. Support the donation. Right.

1884
02:39:36,274 --> 02:39:42,274
>> okay so that was everything there. Yes okay commissioners any

1885
02:39:42,447 --> 02:39:43,715
other questions for. >> staff.

1886
02:39:43,715 --> 02:39:48,920
yeah can I go back to six 710 the last one that you just did. So you're changing made a shout

1887
02:39:48,920 --> 02:39:56,120
or show why what's. The yeah um. I don't understand what they

1888
02:39:56,728 --> 02:40:05,128
were originally. And just refer to my notes that on my document. T circle-

1889
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:14,889
so what what that says if it's if it's we already know the difference between shall and

1890
02:40:14,889 --> 02:40:21,280
may but I do believe it needs to stay is may because now you're saying that it has to be

1891
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:24,280
approved. You want it to.

1892
02:40:24,499 --> 02:40:25,833
>> stay my getting confused. >> yeah.

1893
02:40:25,833 --> 02:40:28,102
you're getting it confused. I was gonna say.

1894
02:40:28,102 --> 02:40:31,872
>> you're sorry. I was like getting enamored with smoke shops and trucks

1895
02:40:31,872 --> 02:40:36,672
and. And we want to make it commissioner.

1896
02:40:37,578 --> 02:40:40,648
either way, if it's not approved by the by then they go to the.

1897
02:40:40,648 --> 02:40:41,582
>> it. Does it.

1898
02:40:41,582 --> 02:40:43,518
>> all and brc would make the. All of this does.

1899
02:40:43,518 --> 02:40:46,540
>> yeah. So may is fine then. Yes ma'am.

1900
02:40:46,540 --> 02:40:48,723
mayo shell would. >> work I'll.

1901
02:40:48,723 --> 02:40:51,125
put a. >> slash there like a.

1902
02:40:51,125 --> 02:40:54,962
there were some relief so we're leaving may as well as the rest of the green line.

1903
02:40:54,962 --> 02:41:00,768
yeah yeah yes. And we're adding. Uh adding anything back.

1904
02:41:00,768 --> 02:41:03,937
there okay. On the other places that we talked about.

1905
02:41:03,937 --> 02:41:07,275
yeah I just heard a comment from the audience that might come up so subject.

1906
02:41:07,275 --> 02:41:08,743
>> for approval. Um.

1907
02:41:08,743 --> 02:41:11,145
>> we'll discuss that in public. Comment okay.

1908
02:41:11,145 --> 02:41:13,313
>> anything else? Okay. Yes.

1909
02:41:13,313 --> 02:41:20,154
guy jim, did you go over he um, comments at the top f page 11?

1910
02:41:20,154 --> 02:41:21,955
yes. >> okay.

1911
02:41:21,955 --> 02:41:24,955
>> you covered then. Okay. Yep.

1912
02:41:25,293 --> 02:41:30,665
>> that was all the inspections okay. Are we good guy yeah.

1913
02:41:30,665 --> 02:41:35,465
all right. I had jessica eisenman signed up.

1914
02:41:39,207 --> 02:41:45,207
getting your not signed up. I'm just kidding. No, sir.

1915
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:48,783
oh. I think we need to keep things in order here.

1916
02:41:48,783 --> 02:41:52,653
so, mr. Goodwin, can you go sit back down? I was going to preface I was

1917
02:41:52,653 --> 02:41:56,557
going to ive a introduction for her. Kind of.

1918
02:41:56,557 --> 02:42:00,157
>> jimmy gooding 1531 southeast 36th avenue. Um.

1919
02:42:00,828 --> 02:42:04,399
>> I'm glad to say I got two minutes. I'm glad to see that staff's

1920
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:07,669
okay with some of this, but I'm a little confused by this late document here.

1921
02:42:07,669 --> 02:42:15,676
um, we went to great lengths at these ldc meetings to try and get input from staff and some

1922
02:42:15,676 --> 02:42:19,680
of these things. In jim's defense he brought out he wasn't happy with them.

1923
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:24,418
um but others are a great surprise to me. What's even more surprising and

1924
02:42:24,418 --> 02:42:27,522
disturbing is that we weren't given a copy of this. Before we.

1925
02:42:27,522 --> 02:42:31,959
walked in here. It's extremely difficult to follow these changes on the

1926
02:42:31,959 --> 02:42:37,310
board. Mrs. Herman went through this stuff in great detail and

1927
02:42:37,310 --> 02:42:41,836
worked laboriously to try and get something that avoids the problems that we had with the

1928
02:42:41,836 --> 02:42:45,873
laughter ordinance where some people felt disenfranchized by it.

1929
02:42:45,873 --> 02:42:51,951
I find it. It's disturbing to me not to be given a copy of this in advance

1930
02:42:51,951 --> 02:42:57,257
and for mrs. Herman now to have to respond to all of these by memory ithout even having a

1931
02:42:57,257 --> 02:43:02,529
copy of it up here. Um, I'm I'm. I'm so so all.

1932
02:43:02,529 --> 02:43:05,866
jim did was. Tell us what he liked and didn't like the the land

1933
02:43:05,866 --> 02:43:09,350
development code. No he didn't. Some of these changes may e

1934
02:43:09,350 --> 02:43:11,672
okay. Some of them may not be.

1935
02:43:11,672 --> 02:43:13,139
>> we don't. >> have a copy of them.

1936
02:43:13,139 --> 02:43:15,975
>> we're having to. Go from memory of what he showed up on the screen there.

1937
02:43:15,975 --> 02:43:19,479
w still don't have this I mean. Here.-

1938
02:43:19,479 --> 02:43:20,580
>> I understand. But it's a.

1939
02:43:20,580 --> 02:43:22,483
>> and it's a. Hearing we got.

1940
02:43:22,483 --> 02:43:23,483
>> into. This problem.

1941
02:43:23,483 --> 02:43:26,920
>> but there should have been. Maybe copies of it out there I mean it is.

1942
02:43:26,920 --> 02:43:30,391
pretty what jim. I do have I do have extra copies right here if they want.

1943
02:43:30,391 --> 02:43:34,428
there you go. Yeah I mean I know we just jumped into trees but we do

1944
02:43:34,428 --> 02:43:37,564
have more work to take a look at. Commissioner, this is.

1945
02:43:37,564 --> 02:43:41,350
>> the first hearing. A staff were. Asked to.

1946
02:43:41,350 --> 02:43:45,172
>> look at the document that came from ldc and provide your comments.

1947
02:43:45,172 --> 02:43:48,108
that those. >> came to us yesterday or

1948
02:43:48,108 --> 02:43:49,509
today. It's a.

1949
02:43:49,509 --> 02:43:52,746
>> lot. Nicer and they have. I'm sorry go ahead.

1950
02:43:52,746 --> 02:43:57,584
I should have interrupted no watch us. That's the direction that was

1951
02:43:57,584 --> 02:44:01,522
given to staff. Look at this document. Provide your comments and what

1952
02:44:01,522 --> 02:44:05,792
you. Suggest. And that happened in the last

1953
02:44:05,792 --> 02:44:10,630
couple days and this is the first hearing I.

1954
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:12,165
>> mean. We received development agreements from you all the

1955
02:44:12,165 --> 02:44:13,600
time like. >> the day.

1956
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:14,935
>> you're. You're right you're on. The dais.

1957
02:44:14,935 --> 02:44:16,870
you're right. But we did we went.

1958
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:21,274
>> through this process to avoid a fight here. Um we went to great lengths to

1959
02:44:21,274 --> 02:44:23,210
try and do that. >> we knew that jim.

1960
02:44:23,210 --> 02:44:26,130
wasn't okay with some of these. Look, I respect him. He knows more.

1961
02:44:26,130 --> 02:44:27,948
>> about trees. >> than I ever will, but but

1962
02:44:27,948 --> 02:44:34,454
there's a process here and I appreciate it. Um, uh, mr. A's, um, that they

1963
02:44:34,454 --> 02:44:38,458
may not have gotten it until yesterday but there's no reason it could have been emailed to

1964
02:44:38,458 --> 02:44:42,696
us last night so we can at least look through it to see if we're okay with it.

1965
02:44:42,696 --> 02:44:46,166
uh, rather than have to argue about it. I think it puts mrs. German at

1966
02:44:46,166 --> 02:44:48,635
a disadvantage to have to go through this thing page.

1967
02:44:48,635 --> 02:44:51,171
>> by. Page and try and see what we have a problem.

1968
02:44:51,171 --> 02:44:54,207
I'm objecting to the process. I'm not objecting to his positions.

1969
02:44:54,207 --> 02:45:01,470
um, although I do think he's right on the may um uh but but in any event, um, I'll I'll let

1970
02:45:01,470 --> 02:45:02,715
mr. Smith speak. We have.

1971
02:45:02,715 --> 02:45:03,784
>> another public hearing. Yeah.

1972
02:45:03,784 --> 02:45:05,651
>> not we're not. We're not voting today. Okay.

1973
02:45:05,651 --> 02:45:10,123
>> I just. >> I was trying to avoid a big.

1974
02:45:10,123 --> 02:45:16,123
>> fight up here. And I think we're fighting. Well, uh.

1975
02:45:22,536 --> 02:45:25,710
good after. Almost afternoon. Good morning, mr. Chair.

1976
02:45:25,710 --> 02:45:31,311
I will say, um, when I had my one on one tracy was extremely complimentary of miss iseman.

1977
02:45:31,311 --> 02:45:34,369
oh, yes. And how much she did work with .

1978
02:45:34,369 --> 02:45:35,837
staff to. >> put what we.

1979
02:45:35,837 --> 02:45:37,572
>> had. Before us today together. So I thank you.

1980
02:45:37,572 --> 02:45:39,574
we do. Appreciate your work on it. Thank you.

1981
02:45:39,574 --> 02:45:42,943
you're welcome. Uh, this has not been an inexpensive endeavor.

1982
02:45:42,943 --> 02:45:46,280
this if you would call just jessica. Yes I.

1983
02:45:46,280 --> 02:45:48,316
dress oh I'm sorry, I'm. Sorry.

1984
02:45:48,316 --> 02:45:51,520
>> jessica seman. 401 east jackson street. U.

1985
02:45:51,520 --> 02:45:51,986
>> suite. 2100.

1986
02:45:51,986 --> 02:45:56,557
>> tampa, florida. Um, a you know, I'm here.

1987
02:45:56,557 --> 02:45:58,326
>> you know, I worked with a lot.

1988
02:45:58,326 --> 02:45:59,260
>> of individuals. >> in.

1989
02:45:59,260 --> 02:46:01,662
our. Development community and unfortunately due to the length

1990
02:46:01,662 --> 02:46:06,401
of the hearing, it was delayed. Um, some people had to leave. So you're just.

1991
02:46:06,401 --> 02:46:09,804
>> left with. The remainders. All right.

1992
02:46:09,804 --> 02:46:13,340
>> so to. >> give you just a recap to

1993
02:46:13,340 --> 02:46:14,208
how. >> we got.

1994
02:46:14,208 --> 02:46:15,676
here. >> his ordinance was brought.

1995
02:46:15,676 --> 02:46:20,181
before you and I came. And spoke and mentioned senate bill 180 as a ossibility.

1996
02:46:20,181 --> 02:46:25,519
you directed you sent the ordinance back to the rc and directed.

1997
02:46:25,519 --> 02:46:29,891
staff and the ldr. Specifically you know, mister tillman directed him.

1998
02:46:29,891 --> 02:46:32,894
okay, let's. Work together and see if we can come up with a.

1999
02:46:32,894 --> 02:46:35,363
solution to avoid a senate bill 180.

2000
02:46:35,363 --> 02:46:39,133
>> because. Staff put in so much work. To update and revise.

2001
02:46:39,133 --> 02:46:42,703
>> the landscaping the. Tree protection ordinances. So that's what we did.

2002
02:46:42,703 --> 02:46:46,400
we went. >> back to lrc and I presented

2003
02:46:46,400 --> 02:46:52,914
that numerous meetings before drc and got everyone's input, got staff's input to the extent

2004
02:46:52,914 --> 02:46:57,518
that they were willing to provide the input at that time. And we came.

2005
02:46:57,518 --> 02:47:01,656
>> up with a what I believe was a very. Well compromised solution.

2006
02:47:01,656 --> 02:47:04,525
we're not going we're not. Going back to.

2007
02:47:04,525 --> 02:47:09,931
>> what. The old code is where. You don't et any of the great

2008
02:47:09,931 --> 02:47:14,802
staff improvements that have been made to date. And we.

2009
02:47:14,802 --> 02:47:22,210
thought we came up with a very great ordinance and today my intent was to come up here and

2010
02:47:22,210 --> 02:47:26,881
say I have no comments. We we hope you. Adopt this.

2011
02:47:26,881 --> 02:47:31,619
ordinance now I. Need to go back and completely regroup.

2012
02:47:31,619 --> 02:47:32,553
>> with. All the the.

2013
02:47:32,553 --> 02:47:35,560
>> proposed edits and some. >> of which I heard.

2014
02:47:35,560 --> 02:47:41,560
are unacceptable. To the development community. So I will regroup.

2015
02:47:41,762 --> 02:47:43,431
>> and we will hopefully. >> work together.

2016
02:47:43,431 --> 02:47:47,468
between now and the second meeting and maybe we will come up with a compromise solution.

2017
02:47:47,468 --> 02:47:54,668
with with mr. Yard and your staff but maybe not. Thank you.

2018
02:47:56,310 --> 02:48:00,815
anyone else in the audience like to speak? For mr. Walker?

2019
02:48:00,815 --> 02:48:06,815
mhm mhm. Is there anybody else close it after you.

2020
02:48:10,458 --> 02:48:15,396
good morning. My name is joshua walker I live at 18820 shellfish very.

2021
02:48:15,396 --> 02:48:22,491
importantly ocala florida 32179 in district one now we talk about trees here.

2022
02:48:22,491 --> 02:48:29,310
my biggest problem is we have a developer coming in. He takes all the trees away and

2023
02:48:29,310 --> 02:48:33,535
then e developed part of the property and part of it doesn't you know hester.

2024
02:48:33,535 --> 02:48:39,942
well we got weeds growing. We don't want it to go up there and not maintain it.

2025
02:48:39,942 --> 02:48:45,414
so we had to they put the sidewalks in, we took over the sidewalks.

2026
02:48:45,414 --> 02:48:49,585
we got the fire hydrants in here. You can't even find them on a

2027
02:48:49,585 --> 02:48:53,722
tree. We got to stop signs that the weeds are now up there about

2028
02:48:53,722 --> 02:49:00,529
five feet tall and by the time they cut it into it mary combustible area they'll be

2029
02:49:00,529 --> 02:49:05,600
as high as the stop signs. Nothing's maintained. Why don't we have an ordinance

2030
02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:10,138
in here that says they have to maintain the property because they cut the weeds.

2031
02:49:10,138 --> 02:49:14,810
we are there. Trees are gone. So what's growing the weeds and

2032
02:49:14,810 --> 02:49:18,346
we don't maintain this weed bank. I don't know how many thousands

2033
02:49:18,346 --> 02:49:22,484
of dollars the county has spent over there with code enforcement, solid waste and

2034
02:49:22,484 --> 02:49:27,556
our utility company you know, fire department, you know, utilities that come in there

2035
02:49:27,556 --> 02:49:32,227
for maintaining the you know, the. Fire hydrants stuff in here and

2036
02:49:32,227 --> 02:49:34,263
if they come along and. >> just.

2037
02:49:34,263 --> 02:49:40,969
mow 5 or 6ft in on the property line and get bear on it and down in front of the stop sign

2038
02:49:40,969 --> 02:49:44,906
we won't have this problem but we don't. We only auburn addresses the

2039
02:49:44,906 --> 02:49:49,877
trees today here once the trees are gone we got to have something put in there.

2040
02:49:49,877 --> 02:49:54,248
why are we going through this every year and keep john was here we keep on.

2041
02:49:54,248 --> 02:50:00,122
but what's his problem? Why is this happening? Why can't we get this just

2042
02:50:00,122 --> 02:50:03,592
secured here? What you do when you take a tree out of here you

2043
02:50:03,592 --> 02:50:08,262
can maintain the property. At least keep them maintained. But we just up along the right

2044
02:50:08,262 --> 02:50:14,202
of ways but we're not doing that so I appreciate that you guys get together here and get

2045
02:50:14,202 --> 02:50:17,339
it taken care of. We've been on this over three years now.

2046
02:50:17,339 --> 02:50:19,740
on it. >> so thank you.

2047
02:50:19,740 --> 02:50:23,110
thank you mr. Walker. Mr. Chair can I ask mr. Minter a question?

2048
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:26,415
yeah. Mr. Minter. Do we require the property

2049
02:50:26,415 --> 02:50:32,888
owner to keep their right away maintain can we legally because it.

2050
02:50:32,888 --> 02:50:36,290
well even on any property based on.

2051
02:50:36,290 --> 02:50:39,694
>> oh t's a private subdivision really the commercial property in there is

2052
02:50:39,694 --> 02:50:42,300
a private private property. Exactly.

2053
02:50:42,300 --> 02:50:48,437
>> now the roads are dedicated in some instances right mounir. So how I.

2054
02:50:48,437 --> 02:50:53,674
mean how does that work? Cmmissioner I think if I understand your question we do

2055
02:50:53,674 --> 02:51:00,448
not we don't have an ordinance in lace requiring how properties are being maintained

2056
02:51:00,448 --> 02:51:04,200
or should be maintained during the. The right of way.

2057
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:08,404
even the right of way. We don't have an ordinance in place requiring how to

2058
02:51:08,404 --> 02:51:09,205
maintain. >> it.

2059
02:51:09,205 --> 02:51:10,340
if I want. >> to.

2060
02:51:10,340 --> 02:51:11,273
we have. >> a.

2061
02:51:11,273 --> 02:51:15,544
policy on public ight of way how to maintain it. That's policy.

2062
02:51:15,544 --> 02:51:17,580
but if it's. Not an.

2063
02:51:17,580 --> 02:51:23,186
>> ordinary roadway. And it is a county roadway in the county mows it every

2064
02:51:23,186 --> 02:51:29,225
quarter, I'm not. Required o mow my right away. Because it's county property.

2065
02:51:29,225 --> 02:51:34,831
>> that's correct. Thank you. You can't make me go mobile

2066
02:51:34,831 --> 02:51:38,368
right away. The right of way that. Belongs to the county.

2067
02:51:38,368 --> 02:51:43,573
well yeah. What about the. I think I think.

2068
02:51:43,573 --> 02:51:48,440
what mr. Walker is talking about that that right away doesn't that right away doesn't

2069
02:51:48,440 --> 02:51:49,713
belong to us in that particular instance.

2070
02:51:49,713 --> 02:51:52,782
>> but. In subdivision where it's private right of way it's

2071
02:51:52,782 --> 02:51:55,718
private. Thoughtful private subdivision or most.

2072
02:51:55,718 --> 02:51:57,921
>> basic. Private subdivision would be private right of way.

2073
02:51:57,921 --> 02:51:59,522
so we still. You can.

2074
02:51:59,522 --> 02:52:02,191
>> have a you'd have to have an ordinance. That but we don't.

2075
02:52:02,191 --> 02:52:04,127
>> don't have to have it right. You'd have to have an ordinance.

2076
02:52:04,127 --> 02:52:10,166
that said you have to maintain that private right away right. Yeah I mean there are standard

2077
02:52:10,166 --> 02:52:16,766
good housekeeping expectations but no there s no ordinance. And and.

2078
02:52:16,806 --> 02:52:20,430
probably what you should do is a developer's agreement when you approve those.

2079
02:52:20,430 --> 02:52:24,547
some level maybe that's what you should boland. Homeowners associations they.

2080
02:52:24,547 --> 02:52:26,416
your homeowners. Expect oh.

2081
02:52:26,416 --> 02:52:29,619
>> yeah the whole to be maintained. Right yeah this is a commercial

2082
02:52:29,619 --> 02:52:32,856
the. Particular project he's talking about is.

2083
02:52:32,856 --> 02:52:37,260
basically like is it a commercial subdivision. Basically I think the one he's

2084
02:52:37,260 --> 02:52:41,464
talking about is commercial subdivision. I took it very.

2085
02:52:41,464 --> 02:52:46,864
open broad. I didn't zero. In on a particular.

2086
02:52:47,971 --> 02:52:50,673
subdivision. >> the examples he keeps he was

2087
02:52:50,673 --> 02:52:57,447
you if I recall correctly I think it's a commercial subdivision and we do have a

2088
02:52:57,447 --> 02:53:02,419
mr. You that recently was established but it's not going to take effect till october.

2089
02:53:02,419 --> 02:53:07,389
then we can provide a little bit more better maintenance and routine maintenance that

2090
02:53:07,389 --> 02:53:12,996
doesn't exist today. Good question. And just to clarify mr. Walker

2091
02:53:12,996 --> 02:53:15,865
did. Reach out to us about. Issues around forest community

2092
02:53:15,865 --> 02:53:18,334
center sandhill park. >> and I've.

2093
02:53:18,334 --> 02:53:21,337
>> already asked my team to meet with him and take a look at property ownership and who

2094
02:53:21,337 --> 02:53:25,541
owns what to see what we an do to help and if we can we will. I not we'll we'll turn things

2095
02:53:25,541 --> 02:53:28,177
over to code. Enforcement thanks to you. You're welcome.

2096
02:53:28,177 --> 02:53:30,546
all right commissioners, any other questions or comments on this?

2097
02:53:30,546 --> 02:53:33,150
I think we can, uh we can get this back. I mean.

2098
02:53:33,150 --> 02:53:36,619
uh I mean look at it again. That's fine. Um, and then we'll bring it

2099
02:53:36,619 --> 02:53:37,906
back to the next hearing. Okay.

2100
02:53:37,906 --> 02:53:40,908
>> um, do you want to do you want to go too? Yeah, definitely.

2101
02:53:40,908 --> 02:53:41,709
yep. It's up.

2102
02:53:41,709 --> 02:53:46,515
>> on the screen already. Um there was there seems to be this missing sentence that

2103
02:53:46,515 --> 02:53:49,985
keeps falling off the definition of critical root zone.

2104
02:53:49,985 --> 02:53:56,525
we we found it and added it back in so it just ended after crc with a critical reason with

2105
02:53:56,525 --> 02:54:01,629
a comma. And the rest of the sentences is established by definition um

2106
02:54:01,629 --> 02:54:05,667
or based on an onsite. Review and assessment by either a certified arborist or

2107
02:54:05,667 --> 02:54:09,137
landscape architect uh prior to construction that. That language.

2108
02:54:09,137 --> 02:54:11,600
>> should have never been removed. And it just.

2109
02:54:11,600 --> 02:54:12,674
>> seemed. To drop off. It's not onerous.

2110
02:54:12,674 --> 02:54:16,411
it's it's in line with the code. And then the other one was the

2111
02:54:16,411 --> 02:54:22,284
tree regulated and this is where we changed from 2010. That aligns with the changes

2112
02:54:22,284 --> 02:54:28,230
that we just talked about. And uh division seven. That wraps up that.

2113
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:31,759
section and you were good with the shade tree. Yes.

2114
02:54:31,759 --> 02:54:33,828
>> yep okay. >> those are all fine.

2115
02:54:33,828 --> 02:54:39,801
u they did they did uh, ask for the longleaf pine to go down to uh to line up with

2116
02:54:39,801 --> 02:54:44,906
20in uh, we're fine with that. It was 18 and that's fine with us.

2117
02:54:44,906 --> 02:54:51,130
any other comments on the definitions commissioners. Or questions for staff?

2118
02:54:51,130 --> 02:54:54,582
jim you changing the design? You're the only one I had signed up for that.

2119
02:54:54,582 --> 02:54:56,118
that's what they. >> did right?

2120
02:54:56,118 --> 02:54:59,520
>> yeah okay okay okay. Anyone else in the audience like to speak on the

2121
02:54:59,520 --> 02:55:02,424
definitions? All right seeing none we'll move on.

2122
02:55:02,424 --> 02:55:07,395
uh number six. Okay so number six is division uh eight landscaping.

2123
02:55:07,395 --> 02:55:13,802
I'm going to get right into it um, globally and the h proposed code the the word

2124
02:55:13,802 --> 02:55:19,140
fences was added in front of walls. Uh, so it implies it's that's

2125
02:55:19,140 --> 02:55:24,645
the priority or it could be the number one, you know, it could be considered the number one

2126
02:55:24,645 --> 02:55:28,349
option when it comes into the code. Uh, so all did on this

2127
02:55:28,349 --> 02:55:34,155
section were you see it was showing fences or walls I. Struck walls put it in front of

2128
02:55:34,155 --> 02:55:37,910
fences. So it s. Walls or fences.

2129
02:55:37,910 --> 02:55:40,280
um just. Just for context and clarity for staff.

2130
02:55:40,280 --> 02:55:43,310
um but it doesn't. >> change the meaning of of any

2131
02:55:43,310 --> 02:55:45,330
of the code and there's references. Okay.

2132
02:55:45,330 --> 02:55:51,330
>> um I got it. So the 683 line was. I see.

2133
02:55:54,409 --> 02:56:02,209
132 right 30 um so removal of eradication prohibited. We support all these changes on

2134
02:56:02,450 --> 02:56:08,450
this page. Okay, good. Uh the next section here the

2135
02:56:09,524 --> 02:56:18,699
top of um section 8.4 uh we support that change um and talks with uh, tracy about the

2136
02:56:18,699 --> 02:56:23,637
solid side slopes and the solid bottoms of drugs counting as landscape areas.

2137
02:56:23,637 --> 02:56:26,740
she did not support that. >> and so.

2138
02:56:26,740 --> 02:56:28,209
we were presenting that to you. Yeah.

2139
02:56:28,209 --> 02:56:33,923
>> so the landscape and or side of and we're striking sided back out right okay.

2140
02:56:33,923 --> 02:56:37,560
any roblem I mean. I don't know what the board wants to do staff is

2141
02:56:37,560 --> 02:56:38,894
recommending I don't know. >> I understand I'm.

2142
02:56:38,894 --> 02:56:46,469
asking you guys are okay with that I don't know how I got in there so.

2143
02:56:46,469 --> 02:56:48,838
all right. >> let's move on for now that.

2144
02:56:48,838 --> 02:56:54,309
uh we're all the way down the bottom of this page would be um these are about ffl florida

2145
02:56:54,309 --> 02:56:59,582
friendly landscaping and encouragement of use of that 20 lots or more in any development

2146
02:56:59,582 --> 02:57:04,530
we support these changes this roll this rolls over to the next page.

2147
02:57:04,530 --> 02:57:11,928
we support all of these uh strikethrough and additions. Um we get into buffers and this

2148
02:57:11,928 --> 02:57:16,432
is the uh pretty much the description of how buffers work.

2149
02:57:16,432 --> 02:57:22,605
so they did change trying to go to the amount of deciduous trees from 25% up.

2150
02:57:22,605 --> 02:57:30,790
to 50% within a buffer. We prefer to stick with the 25% as buffers are a screening

2151
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:31,147
mechanism. Commissioners.

2152
02:57:31,147 --> 02:57:36,886
>> are you okay with that? You want to stick with the 25 or you want to go to 50 and

2153
02:57:36,886 --> 02:57:42,240
deciduous trees and buffers. Take deciduous trees in the subdivision are fine or do you

2154
02:57:42,240 --> 02:57:45,828
want them in I guess the question jim's asking is do you want deciduous trees in the

2155
02:57:45,828 --> 02:57:50,990
buffers more than 25%. So right. So I think.

2156
02:57:50,990 --> 02:57:52,301
it's a good. >> question is good.

2157
02:57:52,301 --> 02:57:54,971
>> but when they do. They're going to lose all their lives right.

2158
02:57:54,971 --> 02:57:57,373
>> nd that's just. Point half half of it. Would be.

2159
02:57:57,373 --> 02:57:59,410
less okay. >> and the buffer is something

2160
02:57:59,410 --> 02:58:02,545
that you actually want to try to keep somewhat opaque. In the spirit of buffers.

2161
02:58:02,545 --> 02:58:05,615
yes I don't know but it's a great conversation. So commissioners uh.

2162
02:58:05,615 --> 02:58:07,650
you want to stay at 25? Yeah.

2163
02:58:07,650 --> 02:58:14,250
>> everybody okay stay at home. All right. Um, see, uh, we're.

2164
02:58:16,459 --> 02:58:18,427
>> just now we're good. >> so that was just, uh.

2165
02:58:18,427 --> 02:58:20,129
we're just moving that. Yep. Okay.

2166
02:58:20,129 --> 02:58:26,335
>> then we're on page four. Uh, excuse me page five. Okay.

2167
02:58:26,335 --> 02:58:30,406
>> um line 14. Let me get that. Up on the screen.

2168
02:58:30,406 --> 02:58:36,278
so we did do some of the word swaps with walls and ences. Uh, the the group elder c

2169
02:58:36,278 --> 02:58:43,753
proposed to authorize drc uh to to approve the placement of required buffer and landscaping

2170
02:58:43,753 --> 02:58:48,624
yet that can be deemed uh something that we can review. This is for where we have the

2171
02:58:48,624 --> 02:58:53,228
areas where it's hard. To yeah I just want to go above that I saw the change from to

2172
02:58:53,228 --> 02:58:58,968
design professional design for oh my gosh yeah who is the design professional.

2173
02:58:58,968 --> 02:59:05,174
so we don't support striking that from registered landscape architect and that you know

2174
02:59:05,174 --> 02:59:07,430
that you would. >> hate that but I just want to

2175
02:59:07,430 --> 02:59:10,612
understand by definition what is the design. Use either a licensed uh

2176
02:59:10,612 --> 02:59:14,851
egineer or a certified landscape architect. Either or.

2177
02:59:14,851 --> 02:59:17,928
>> it could be more than that. Well it does. A design.

2178
02:59:17,928 --> 02:59:21,131
professional I yeah. >> is that a is that a

2179
02:59:21,131 --> 02:59:25,436
licensee? Yeah it could be a draft person.

2180
02:59:25,436 --> 02:59:28,405
uh it. >> licensee it doesn't say

2181
02:59:28,405 --> 02:59:32,742
licensed. So it could be. Tat's what I was concerned

2182
02:59:32,742 --> 02:59:37,130
about is it could be someone that's just a a draftee. It'd be it.

2183
02:59:37,130 --> 02:59:39,820
>> could be an engineer and there might not be as good at maybe.

2184
02:59:39,820 --> 02:59:43,860
or an intern. Or intern. I mean if you want to say

2185
02:59:43,860 --> 02:59:49,927
licensed design professional that probably would limit. Um somebody was a licensed.

2186
02:59:49,927 --> 02:59:56,527
if I may be. So I use the. Registered landscape architect.

2187
02:59:56,900 --> 03:00:01,972
they drew me up some plans it was going to cost me. Enough to build another home.

2188
03:00:01,972 --> 03:00:05,642
to design. The landscape in my house around.

2189
03:00:05,642 --> 03:00:08,879
my house? Yes ma'am. I went to.

2190
03:00:08,879 --> 03:00:11,879
a local. Um. ,plant place.

2191
03:00:13,951 --> 03:00:18,655
they designed me something great that I could afford. To do and.

2192
03:00:18,655 --> 03:00:23,626
I did it and I love it so I'm not I.

2193
03:00:23,626 --> 03:00:32,135
>> I prefer to stay with a. Design professional in this. And that will include that

2194
03:00:32,135 --> 03:00:34,672
experience. Those people will be able to do it.

2195
03:00:34,672 --> 03:00:36,440
yeah. >> so I am.

2196
03:00:36,440 --> 03:00:41,445
in your yard that's not a subdivision. Well I've seen the.

2197
03:00:41,445 --> 03:00:44,415
work that. This group is a very big. Group and.

2198
03:00:44,415 --> 03:00:46,817
>> yes sir it it's. >> I get.

2199
03:00:46,817 --> 03:00:51,654
>> it but that's if. We've got plants that says we already have.

2200
03:00:51,654 --> 03:00:56,493
a list you can use these number of trees and all. Why not.

2201
03:00:56,493 --> 03:01:02,265
and you go ahead. I've missioner so these plans are required to be.

2202
03:01:02,265 --> 03:01:05,769
signed and sealed. So the. Landscape designers that work

2203
03:01:05,769 --> 03:01:08,739
at those shops are not licensed to sign and. Seal drawings.

2204
03:01:08,739 --> 03:01:12,442
so um that's part of the. Submittal requirements earlier in the.

2205
03:01:12,442 --> 03:01:17,180
code just like a stormwater plan we can draw those but we hand them over to the ngineers

2206
03:01:17,180 --> 03:01:21,385
to make them permeable and everything else. Um, but landscape plans and

2207
03:01:21,385 --> 03:01:26,560
other plans are required to be signed and sealed. Well, they can take in maybe I

2208
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:27,790
just on't. Understand the process.

2209
03:01:27,790 --> 03:01:31,261
>> they have to work directly under a licensed landscape architect for that.

2210
03:01:31,261 --> 03:01:34,331
>> to happen. I think that company has a la and they're doing that as part

2211
03:01:34,331 --> 03:01:38,268
of their their design build business that's appropriate. Um.

2212
03:01:38,268 --> 03:01:43,730
>> but just hiring a landscape designer out of the phone book to say design this and let me

2213
03:01:43,730 --> 03:01:48,770
get it signed and seal that's. That's against state law. I like that.

2214
03:01:48,770 --> 03:01:52,348
but if you want if if you're looking for a medium it could be the same reference that we

2215
03:01:52,348 --> 03:01:57,287
have in other sections of the code and that would be. The licensed design

2216
03:01:57,287 --> 03:02:00,524
professional. Uh phrase that you see. And that would mean.

2217
03:02:00,524 --> 03:02:02,759
somebody that does have that a license.

2218
03:02:02,759 --> 03:02:04,961
>> that they can see you. Comfortable with licensed design.

2219
03:02:04,961 --> 03:02:08,516
yes that'd be fine I think if as long as you had a license in there then it would comply

2220
03:02:08,516 --> 03:02:09,518
with. The rest of the.

2221
03:02:09,518 --> 03:02:12,687
>> code okay. All right now jump to the next section okay.

2222
03:02:12,687 --> 03:02:21,195
um the next section. Will uh that uh was the perin one here and the ldcs version

2223
03:02:21,195 --> 03:02:28,136
wanted to default to automatically to uh drc for these no man land buffers where

2224
03:02:28,136 --> 03:02:33,141
you have a development that has a wall with landscaping outside of the wall and then next to it

2225
03:02:33,141 --> 03:02:38,120
you would have had another similar development that had a wall with landscaping outside

2226
03:02:38,120 --> 03:02:42,840
of it. So you'd have two walls with an unacceptable landscape strip.

2227
03:02:42,840 --> 03:02:47,622
we'd like to be able to provide an administrative approval of working with the later

2228
03:02:47,622 --> 03:02:52,127
applicant of moving the landscaping on the inside or possibly doing away with it for

2229
03:02:52,127 --> 03:02:56,164
redundancy purposes. And if they don't like our decision of supporting that or

2230
03:02:56,164 --> 03:02:59,701
if they don't if we don't support it then they can appeal to drc and go through the

2231
03:02:59,701 --> 03:03:03,380
process. But spelling it out specifically in this section of

2232
03:03:03,380 --> 03:03:07,976
code of uh automatically jumping to uh drc is not necessary.

2233
03:03:07,976 --> 03:03:09,778
okay. >> so the.

2234
03:03:09,778 --> 03:03:11,713
>> change that we have there highlighted is what we're.

2235
03:03:11,713 --> 03:03:16,718
>> looking for. But I mean I want to process I want to make sure the process

2236
03:03:16,718 --> 03:03:20,121
is streamlined. If you want to go through drc to waive any of the codes, it's

2237
03:03:20,121 --> 03:03:24,459
going to be a waiver process in those situations when you are looking at improvement plans

2238
03:03:24,459 --> 03:03:29,797
for example the county engineer makes decision yeah the landscape architects make a

2239
03:03:29,797 --> 03:03:36,700
decision if the developer doesn't agree they do have a process they can go to drc was

2240
03:03:36,700 --> 03:03:41,543
a waiver request or they can escalate the issue up to assistant county administrator

2241
03:03:41,543 --> 03:03:45,680
or county administrator or it can come to the board if they want to at the end of the.

2242
03:03:45,680 --> 03:03:47,882
day okay. So that problem we have.

2243
03:03:47,882 --> 03:03:52,870
>> so we have so much flexibility how we can get a plans through the final.

2244
03:03:52,870 --> 03:03:57,158
approval commission. The best place is to. Work at it that's going to and

2245
03:03:57,158 --> 03:03:59,940
then if you have a problem with the. Staff level.

2246
03:03:59,940 --> 03:04:02,964
go to drc. But the review team. Aren't we do that a lot already

2247
03:04:02,964 --> 03:04:04,980
and. It's not.

2248
03:04:04,980 --> 03:04:08,103
>> I'm sure. Um the uh the rest of this is just changing walls and fences

2249
03:04:08,103 --> 03:04:14,776
around on uh line 30. They've changed the type c buffer for this is the um,

2250
03:04:14,776 --> 03:04:21,450
equestrian or agricultural themed rail fence buffers uh, from 25 to 15 foot wide.

2251
03:04:21,450 --> 03:04:24,519
that's consistent with the buffer tables. And the.

2252
03:04:24,519 --> 03:04:27,255
>> changes that they've made. There to. That's for the buffer buffers

2253
03:04:27,255 --> 03:04:31,455
adjacent to the following roadways. Yes, sir.

2254
03:04:38,100 --> 03:04:44,600
um the next section is on page six under uh buffer walls fences and berms.

2255
03:04:44,600 --> 03:04:50,145
so the proposed language notwithstanding any reference in section 6.8.6 to buffer

2256
03:04:50,145 --> 03:04:54,850
fences. Buffer fences may be used as a substitute for buffer walls

2257
03:04:54,850 --> 03:05:01,693
only if approved by the drc through the waiver process. This is something that we do

2258
03:05:01,693 --> 03:05:06,631
not support and that if they want to get a waiver to go from a wall to a buffer.

2259
03:05:06,631 --> 03:05:07,966
>> that should be just through the.

2260
03:05:07,966 --> 03:05:10,302
>> normal waiver process and. >> commission.

2261
03:05:10,302 --> 03:05:11,303
what we. Talked about.

2262
03:05:11,303 --> 03:05:14,106
>> the. Nonsupport here. Is is thematic.

2263
03:05:14,106 --> 03:05:18,309
we don't we don't feel that statements need to be added right.

2264
03:05:18,309 --> 03:05:23,348
there is a process any time you want to waive any technical issue in the code there's a

2265
03:05:23,348 --> 03:05:30,722
process to do it through drc. Okay adding calling out specifically that item with the

2266
03:05:30,722 --> 03:05:36,362
waiver process I don't know what it does to any other requirements in the code that

2267
03:05:36,362 --> 03:05:41,200
also are available. We already have this process in place.

2268
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:43,535
the process. Is um your from your perspective okay.

2269
03:05:43,535 --> 03:05:50,742
and I think there has been discussion between tracy and jimmy specifically related to

2270
03:05:50,742 --> 03:05:53,742
that. Section to that item.

2271
03:05:54,879 --> 03:06:00,552
>> no no okay to. Leave for doctor's. Appointments I'm going to.

2272
03:06:00,552 --> 03:06:05,230
day and I'm seeking okay. Excellent thank you guy thank you.

2273
03:06:05,230 --> 03:06:09,828
okay but just just so we're clear ammonia you believe that this sentence we already have

2274
03:06:09,828 --> 03:06:12,231
this process. We already have the process.

2275
03:06:12,231 --> 03:06:18,970
>> we already have the process. I mean if. They are adamant it needs to be

2276
03:06:18,970 --> 03:06:23,575
here I don't know that it will hurt anything but cause a little confusion.

2277
03:06:23,575 --> 03:06:25,975
yeah. >> it's just redundant.

2278
03:06:26,778 --> 03:06:28,313
all right. >> jim.

2279
03:06:28,313 --> 03:06:30,313
um, line 15. Uh.

2280
03:06:30,315 --> 03:06:33,652
>> line all. That's the typical. Swapping words around for walls

2281
03:06:33,652 --> 03:06:39,858
and fences. We jump down the line 18 uh and 19 uh, ldcs proposing to bring

2282
03:06:39,858 --> 03:06:43,328
the buffer wall height back down to six feet. Okay.

2283
03:06:43,328 --> 03:06:49,935
>> um, and then we get down to uh, this this addition here about buffer walls and

2284
03:06:49,935 --> 03:06:53,371
maintenance and this is something that I wanted to make sure that we were clarifying

2285
03:06:53,371 --> 03:06:54,806
and. Um.

2286
03:06:54,806 --> 03:06:58,844
>> this is a staff edition. And I would like to propose this language.

2287
03:06:58,844 --> 03:07:02,414
>> where a. Buffer wall or fence s required and in public view the

2288
03:07:02,414 --> 03:07:08,386
property owner must maintain it in good repair and parents in perpetuity any buffer walls or

2289
03:07:08,386 --> 03:07:12,591
fences that are damaged, deteriorating or removed without authorization.

2290
03:07:12,591 --> 03:07:15,930
must be fully repaired and replaced within.

2291
03:07:15,930 --> 03:07:19,765
>> 30 days of receiving notice from the marion not marino um county.

2292
03:07:19,765 --> 03:07:25,503
uh if you could type that for me. Um code enforcement so this is

2293
03:07:25,503 --> 03:07:29,307
in line with your buffer requirements where you do have a buffer maintained in

2294
03:07:29,307 --> 03:07:34,879
perpetuity clause. That was added back in 2013. Um, but what we're seeing is

2295
03:07:34,879 --> 03:07:38,983
the conditions of if you're using excess walls are going to be fine.

2296
03:07:38,983 --> 03:07:41,920
they're going to be a lot easier to maintain. But in high wind tornadic

2297
03:07:41,920 --> 03:07:45,794
activity hurricanes we're going to have to work with vinyl fences.

2298
03:07:45,794 --> 03:07:50,866
when you have just. Hundreds of feet of it they will pitch and they will all

2299
03:07:50,866 --> 03:07:53,803
down like dominoes. We've seen it happen in the villages.

2300
03:07:53,803 --> 03:07:58,808
we've seen it happen on three and one down in hat area. Any type of heavy wind those

2301
03:07:58,808 --> 03:08:03,479
things aren't when rated. Other other structural walls would be fine but with vinyl

2302
03:08:03,479 --> 03:08:08,170
fences and we didn't want to just isolate vinyl fences in this this particular comment

2303
03:08:08,170 --> 03:08:13,690
just maintain them especially in public view so they're not you know, broken and stay that

2304
03:08:13,690 --> 03:08:16,959
way for months and months. That's not how we want your community.

2305
03:08:16,959 --> 03:08:20,296
>> do we have them on 60th uh today or in disrepair? Yep.

2306
03:08:20,296 --> 03:08:25,696
>> leaning over so. Commissioners any comments on that language?

2307
03:08:26,369 --> 03:08:35,369
are you okay with it? Uh next up is the land use categories for buffers.

2308
03:08:36,790 --> 03:08:41,450
uh, you can see the changes that ldc proposed. The first one is in single

2309
03:08:41,450 --> 03:08:47,990
family residential against uh they've recommended going from a type d which is narrow with a

2310
03:08:47,990 --> 03:08:54,864
wall back to a type e. Which is ten feet wide, double staggered road hedges and

2311
03:08:54,864 --> 03:08:59,664
trees. Every 20ft 25ft. This is your old.

2312
03:08:59,802 --> 03:09:07,602
type e buffer. Uh multifamily against ag there's a or b um just.

2313
03:09:08,277 --> 03:09:11,613
>> a little. Clarification on that. Those are tied to optional

2314
03:09:11,613 --> 03:09:15,651
buffers keeping in the table and it actually gives you options.

2315
03:09:15,651 --> 03:09:19,489
to decide. Whether you want one with a wide landscape buffer.

2316
03:09:19,489 --> 03:09:21,624
uh. >> or one with a slightly

2317
03:09:21,624 --> 03:09:27,530
narrow buffer with a wall depending on the site design that you're reviewing, distance

2318
03:09:27,530 --> 03:09:31,300
can be a better buffer, but there may be concerned with. Constituents about.

2319
03:09:31,300 --> 03:09:34,370
building next to other areas. >> where they do want to have

2320
03:09:34,370 --> 03:09:36,972
security. Away from these sorts of things that a wall may be more

2321
03:09:36,972 --> 03:09:40,776
appropriate. So we just. Lft that flexible thing with

2322
03:09:40,776 --> 03:09:47,976
public against ag both of those a or b. Commercial against single

2323
03:09:50,986 --> 03:09:56,526
family a six foot opaque fence may be used in lieu of the vegetative.

2324
03:09:56,526 --> 03:10:00,126
>> buffer that was recently um . A.

2325
03:10:07,537 --> 03:10:09,380
or is. >> that that?

2326
03:10:09,380 --> 03:10:13,238
yes sir. That's single family again single.

2327
03:10:13,275 --> 03:10:19,148
family that single family yes but what about. Commercial against it.

2328
03:10:19,148 --> 03:10:24,620
that stays as a b with a wall. With a wall okay. Ad then.

2329
03:10:24,620 --> 03:10:29,625
and then. Line two there the. The whole thing we were talking

2330
03:10:29,625 --> 03:10:37,425
about previously with a residential against the right away that's going to have.

2331
03:10:38,649 --> 03:10:45,249
uh a four lane right d4. He's talking about footnote two.

2332
03:10:48,250 --> 03:10:51,261
right right. Um are you talking about against.

2333
03:10:51,261 --> 03:10:53,130
yeah ken's. Confusing me.

2334
03:10:53,130 --> 03:10:55,665
>> got me a little. Messed up here. So, uh, the.

2335
03:10:55,665 --> 03:10:58,201
are you talking about sub note two? Yes.

2336
03:10:58,201 --> 03:11:04,541
>> so a type. A a type buffer d buffer is required where residential is.

2337
03:11:04,541 --> 03:11:08,178
adjacent to opposite right. Away in a road less than four lanes.

2338
03:11:08,178 --> 03:11:10,614
so yeah ou're. >> up here single family

2339
03:11:10,614 --> 03:11:16,860
against right of way. Um is actually. Number four down at the bottom

2340
03:11:16,860 --> 03:11:20,957
with a. Six foot wall and this. Um this ice from it actually

2341
03:11:20,957 --> 03:11:24,940
provided. You with additional. Language on that that you.

2342
03:11:24,940 --> 03:11:28,294
have uh in the packet. At the.

2343
03:11:32,569 --> 03:11:37,508
>> very top of it it's just the a copy of the email that she she sent in to administration

2344
03:11:37,508 --> 03:11:40,310
in the rest of the review team. Jim.

2345
03:11:40,310 --> 03:11:41,712
>> before you get. To that.

2346
03:11:41,712 --> 03:11:44,712
>> yeah. >> commissioner note number two

2347
03:11:45,282 --> 03:11:51,522
applies industrial against right of way if across from the right of way there is a

2348
03:11:51,522 --> 03:11:58,261
residential subdivision and that applies only between industrial and right of way in

2349
03:11:58,261 --> 03:12:07,861
that condition that's where you see the do the d with a uh footnote to um.

2350
03:12:08,672 --> 03:12:13,409
so how would that work? It works if you have an industrial development

2351
03:12:13,409 --> 03:12:19,148
happening here. There's that road adjacent to it across from that road there

2352
03:12:19,148 --> 03:12:25,148
is a subdivision d two will apply right. Here okay.

2353
03:12:30,627 --> 03:12:37,501
and d2 is going down from a 25 foot buffer to a 15 foot buffer or d in general it's.

2354
03:12:37,501 --> 03:12:42,301
>> not right. All of these got smaller right ?

2355
03:12:42,839 --> 03:12:49,379
the flexibility if you flip over to the next page. Um they went back to the old

2356
03:12:49,379 --> 03:12:52,716
yeah. So they basically. Removed the.

2357
03:12:52,716 --> 03:12:59,916
options of going from. Y smaller to wider or wider to narrower.

2358
03:13:01,158 --> 03:13:04,127
how much time did we pend. >> on this?

2359
03:13:04,127 --> 03:13:08,931
I prefer not to. Think about we uh. And now it's coming back.

2360
03:13:08,931 --> 03:13:11,768
>> to us and going back. >> to what we had originally.

2361
03:13:11,768 --> 03:13:14,137
oh, you mean. The whole.

2362
03:13:14,137 --> 03:13:20,644
>> process that so buffer buffer workshop stopped. Started back in april of 2024.

2363
03:13:20,644 --> 03:13:27,244
okay anything we need to change on this? Uh, actually only.

2364
03:13:28,489 --> 03:13:33,289
>> footnote yeah. Do I need to address that?

2365
03:13:43,104 --> 03:13:49,476
I believe the biggest concern, commissioner, is the requirement of wall adjacent to

2366
03:13:49,476 --> 03:13:50,577
highways. Right.

2367
03:13:50,577 --> 03:13:58,452
>> and I think it was not discussed during drc and then mrs. Isom and send us this note

2368
03:13:58,452 --> 03:14:00,921
I mean that's what her client has been. Talking about.

2369
03:14:00,921 --> 03:14:05,860
and they she sent us this recommendation. That was handed out to you

2370
03:14:05,860 --> 03:14:07,461
today. Yeah it's a and.

2371
03:14:07,461 --> 03:14:09,397
>> we. Hve told you about it before. All ight.

2372
03:14:09,397 --> 03:14:15,903
so how will that apply. It ill apply you can use a fence instead of a wall without

2373
03:14:15,903 --> 03:14:24,110
any waiver or any uh. ,other approval. Now if you put a wall there is

2374
03:14:24,110 --> 03:14:29,283
an incentive to reduce the width of your, uh. Buffer buffer.

2375
03:14:29,283 --> 03:14:34,830
yeah. And that that incentive says. Um, is.

2376
03:14:34,822 --> 03:14:39,427
provided in lieu of a fence. The required buffer shall be.

2377
03:14:39,427 --> 03:14:41,228
>> reduced and. That was one.

2378
03:14:41,228 --> 03:14:45,433
>> I wanted to change to may. Oh okay. Yeah.

2379
03:14:45,433 --> 03:14:48,235
>> because you may have a developer who doesn't want to. Reduce and.

2380
03:14:48,235 --> 03:14:49,970
>> it might be fine with it. >> don't make it show.

2381
03:14:49,970 --> 03:14:53,941
me I mean. That's good but. Um and that.

2382
03:14:53,941 --> 03:14:57,845
that basically goes ack to our code previously then right where you could put a fence or

2383
03:14:57,845 --> 03:15:04,445
a wall. Is that correct? Even sure we had a fence.

2384
03:15:06,320 --> 03:15:07,988
I don't know that. >> we I don't know.

2385
03:15:07,988 --> 03:15:11,592
we yeah. Even have a fence it's clear.

2386
03:15:11,592 --> 03:15:13,327
>> well there. Was still a buffer requirement of some sort.

2387
03:15:13,327 --> 03:15:17,798
yeah doesn't have to be a fence could have been a vegetated buffer.

2388
03:15:17,798 --> 03:15:24,398
s it says without. A drc waiver um. I don't know.

2389
03:15:24,772 --> 03:15:27,874
I don't think in the past we even required a. Fence right, ight.

2390
03:15:27,874 --> 03:15:32,413
so at the end of the day at least there would be a fence vegetative buffer and a wall or

2391
03:15:32,413 --> 03:15:36,316
a wall and that was the compromise we talked about or at least they're proposing.

2392
03:15:36,316 --> 03:15:41,955
is that correct jessica okay. Yeah it went from um okay. Anything else on this

2393
03:15:41,955 --> 03:15:48,963
no I think that that one here I want to make sure we're okay with this as long as we change

2394
03:15:48,963 --> 03:15:52,566
that uh, from a may o. A, uh, shout out to a may as far.

2395
03:15:52,566 --> 03:15:54,501
>> as the. Buffer size reduction.

2396
03:15:54,501 --> 03:15:56,103
>> I. Don't think that really necessarily matters.

2397
03:15:56,103 --> 03:16:02,703
okay, ask if it matters. I actually ave a 12:00 doctor's appointment.

2398
03:16:02,877 --> 03:16:04,845
thank you. So I. Appreciate your time for me.

2399
03:16:04,845 --> 03:16:06,781
thank you. >> sorry.

2400
03:16:06,781 --> 03:16:10,651
I thought we were. Scheduled until 11. Uh, um.

2401
03:16:10,651 --> 03:16:14,221
>> yes. >> I am right, I am down.

2402
03:16:14,221 --> 03:16:15,856
where are we. >> at now?

2403
03:16:15,856 --> 03:16:18,900
>> yeah I'm getting on the right document. You are on parking lot areas.

2404
03:16:18,900 --> 03:16:22,337
these changes are all uh, fine. These are just expansions of.

2405
03:16:22,337 --> 03:16:25,339
>> all of the ther, uh, parking lot islands, which is fine.

2406
03:16:25,339 --> 03:16:30,780
mhm. Um, to accommodate root growth ,um, landscape building

2407
03:16:30,780 --> 03:16:33,948
landscape. Public side view sides proposed structure that's clarification

2408
03:16:33,948 --> 03:16:42,757
that we support. Um then I'm on page ten uh item c which is line item 25.

2409
03:16:42,757 --> 03:16:48,830
we support these changes as well as far as biodiversity goes these are good changes.

2410
03:16:48,830 --> 03:16:53,634
uh excuse me commissioners at the top you see line item five where they added the word large

2411
03:16:53,634 --> 03:16:57,638
in front of shade tree. So large shade rees not. Shall not be located within

2412
03:16:57,638 --> 03:17:02,844
20ft of a building with good, uh, lines good with their table uh, of trees.

2413
03:17:02,844 --> 03:17:05,979
mhm. >> um and then you I'm.

2414
03:17:05,979 --> 03:17:08,716
>> glad you were able to put the first thing in here. Yeah looks that looks good.

2415
03:17:08,716 --> 03:17:09,917
you got. >> that and.

2416
03:17:09,917 --> 03:17:11,385
>> it's retty. Clear now. Yes sir.

2417
03:17:11,385 --> 03:17:18,393
and then on page uh page 12 lines even underneath the table changing palm trees um

2418
03:17:18,393 --> 03:17:24,393
back to. Shall not be substituted for uh shade trees.

2419
03:17:24,699 --> 03:17:27,670
oh yeah okay. >> all right.

2420
03:17:27,670 --> 03:17:33,641
and then this last page is the last page of adjustments. Um and we support all of these

2421
03:17:33,641 --> 03:17:38,546
as far as uh the after the first 24 months of the maintenance period that's the

2422
03:17:38,546 --> 03:17:43,840
initial buffer inspection. Um, and down at the bottom you hear you talk.

2423
03:17:43,840 --> 03:17:44,885
about. >> uh, tree trimming approved

2424
03:17:44,885 --> 03:17:48,689
by a certified arborist or survival. And that wraps up all the

2425
03:17:48,689 --> 03:17:52,326
proposed changes back from ldc . And staff edits.

2426
03:17:52,326 --> 03:17:56,997
uh, for this section of. Them on page commissioner, if you don't if you would allow.

2427
03:17:56,997 --> 03:18:01,197
yes, sir. On page. On page eight.

2428
03:18:06,340 --> 03:18:09,940
yes, sir. Uh, buffer. Description um.

2429
03:18:10,845 --> 03:18:17,510
and buffer type e. Um we went back to five. I think the elder c is

2430
03:18:17,510 --> 03:18:23,156
recommending going back to the five feet wide uffer, but then they added double row of

2431
03:18:23,156 --> 03:18:31,650
continuous shrub. Um I mean is that practical? It's going to be tight because

2432
03:18:31,650 --> 03:18:34,735
I know the type of plants are going to be specifying to meet. That growth height or.

2433
03:18:34,735 --> 03:18:39,674
in e what did we have I mean what was in the 13 code. Kept that.

2434
03:18:39,674 --> 03:18:47,474
>> section uh with me um. The duncan's going to. Bring that up because.

2435
03:18:47,681 --> 03:18:50,551
>> I'm not really sure we should have any buffer that's less than like ten.

2436
03:18:50,551 --> 03:18:52,799
>> foot. No, 13. No, we had mean.

2437
03:18:52,799 --> 03:18:54,567
five foot stuff. Yeah.

2438
03:18:54,567 --> 03:19:00,907
>> I don't know what the plan thing was. Ssan's telling me that this

2439
03:19:00,907 --> 03:19:02,308
is. >> the 13 code.

2440
03:19:02,308 --> 03:19:04,778
okay? >> this is the 13 code.

2441
03:19:04,778 --> 03:19:07,514
um. >> do you think it's wise to

2442
03:19:07,514 --> 03:19:09,514
keep double? Um.

2443
03:19:09,883 --> 03:19:13,386
>> it does. Provide a solid screen, but you're going to end up seeing

2444
03:19:13,386 --> 03:19:16,790
what you had. Before, which is oak. Trees or magnolias every.

2445
03:19:16,790 --> 03:19:18,391
2ft and in. >> double row.

2446
03:19:18,391 --> 03:19:21,610
>> of sweet by verse um um. >> and that can get very

2447
03:19:21,610 --> 03:19:22,262
crowded. >> in a five.

2448
03:19:22,262 --> 03:19:25,899
>> foot. Strip it would be best to. Go to ten uh to give room.

2449
03:19:25,899 --> 03:19:31,437
>> room for growth. It may be an idea you we discuss with.

2450
03:19:31,437 --> 03:19:36,209
yeah okay. It really would be I mean you're going from 15 to 5 if if

2451
03:19:36,209 --> 03:19:39,245
we could meet in the middle there with ten foot. For that type of double.

2452
03:19:39,245 --> 03:19:40,546
row that would. >> give.

2453
03:19:40,546 --> 03:19:42,810
it room. >> to growth and you wouldn't

2454
03:19:42,810 --> 03:19:46,285
be forced to put the trees in the hedge. That's what you've seen before

2455
03:19:46,285 --> 03:19:49,555
. And then they start limit up the tree to accommodate the

2456
03:19:49,555 --> 03:19:54,960
hedge to grow up. Uh the john deere up on 44 to 41 just ripped out all their

2457
03:19:54,960 --> 03:19:57,764
sweet viburnum. So you have clear. Story magnolias that are.

2458
03:19:57,764 --> 03:20:02,836
six feet tall which shouldn't be they shouldn't be allowed to be pruned like that.

2459
03:20:02,836 --> 03:20:07,239
um I think robin's working on. >> that one okay.

2460
03:20:07,239 --> 03:20:11,578
>> and that type buffer is only between residential and residential.

2461
03:20:11,578 --> 03:20:15,849
yeah or residential and. Eg um. Before 2013 that.

2462
03:20:15,849 --> 03:20:17,517
>> was your right of way buffer. All right.

2463
03:20:17,517 --> 03:20:22,988
that's the. Way he saw a lot. Of very thin okay pleasure

2464
03:20:22,988 --> 03:20:28,988
pleasure me oh mr. Gooding I guess. Southeast 6th avenue.

2465
03:20:32,398 --> 03:20:35,135
could we show up the page again. Which is the language.

2466
03:20:35,135 --> 03:20:38,671
>> that staff now wants to, uh ,do away with which one? Jim?

2467
03:20:38,671 --> 03:20:46,913
um, it was the one, uh, line six on page six out of 17. Let me explain.

2468
03:20:46,913 --> 03:20:52,850
this is my language and why I put it in here. I put it in the county under

2469
03:20:52,850 --> 03:20:57,357
the under the code that existed before y'all did what you did several months ago.

2470
03:20:57,357 --> 03:21:04,297
fences were only allowed if permitted by drc. The language was in there.

2471
03:21:04,297 --> 03:21:11,237
one of the changes that was made in this ldc revision is they added fence before wall.

2472
03:21:11,237 --> 03:21:19,780
I wanted to make sure. That fences were only permitted if drc approved them like was

2473
03:21:19,780 --> 03:21:26,853
the case in the old code. Thus I suggested this language notwithstanding any reference

2474
03:21:26,853 --> 03:21:32,580
in this to fit buffer fences may be used only as a substitute for buffer walls

2475
03:21:32,580 --> 03:21:38,665
only if approved by drc. That was my language at the drc meeting they said they wanted

2476
03:21:38,665 --> 03:21:43,870
it done through the waiver process and I don't know if any engineers are still here but it

2477
03:21:43,870 --> 03:21:49,209
was the engineers that wanted it done that way. This language other than the

2478
03:21:49,209 --> 03:21:52,178
waiver process was put in to protect the county. Um.

2479
03:21:52,178 --> 03:21:57,818
>> I think dana was there and remembers that this wasn't this isn't an effort to do anything

2480
03:21:57,818 --> 03:22:04,240
that's not already required under the old code. Drc has to approve fences and

2481
03:22:04,240 --> 03:22:07,270
that's why that language is in there. Now we can talk about the

2482
03:22:07,270 --> 03:22:10,297
waiver process. Maybe jim remembers it better than I do or tracy may

2483
03:22:10,297 --> 03:22:14,101
remember. It in jimmy. I believe even in the past when

2484
03:22:14,101 --> 03:22:19,773
we did that through drc, I believe it came through a waiver process but I could e

2485
03:22:19,773 --> 03:22:21,842
mistaken. Yeah that's something we need but.

2486
03:22:21,842 --> 03:22:26,380
there's and there's some confusion on that I, I wasn't I didn't advocate the waiver

2487
03:22:26,380 --> 03:22:31,852
thing I can't vote in any way but I'm an alternate but but I. Don't the waiver process to me

2488
03:22:31,852 --> 03:22:36,220
is the only thing that should be just the subject of debate. I think the sentences needed

2489
03:22:36,220 --> 03:22:39,590
and I think if dana's given enough time to look at it she'll agree.

2490
03:22:39,590 --> 03:22:44,597
but but in any event I put that in there now the only exception is the new footnote that

2491
03:22:44,597 --> 03:22:48,680
they're. Uh adding I think in. For um uh.

2492
03:22:48,680 --> 03:22:51,271
that allows fences without a. Drc waiver. But I.

2493
03:22:51,271 --> 03:22:56,276
>> just I just wanted to point out that language is the same as the old code in that you

2494
03:22:56,276 --> 03:23:00,413
can't put a fence up unless drc is okay with it. I don't care if it's a waiver

2495
03:23:00,413 --> 03:23:03,417
process r not but but that language needs to stay in there.

2496
03:23:03,417 --> 03:23:04,751
that's that's. My only point.

2497
03:23:04,751 --> 03:23:08,521
>> you're still talking about the same paragraph. Yeah but.

2498
03:23:08,521 --> 03:23:13,321
if we talk about the waiver process. Yeah.

2499
03:23:14,528 --> 03:23:20,200
>> jeremy before you sit down, uh. On six egarding the berms.

2500
03:23:20,200 --> 03:23:25,772
um uh. And you go through the. Explanation of the use of the

2501
03:23:25,772 --> 03:23:35,820
berms because I remember. When we went to an eight foot wall the berms kind of made

2502
03:23:35,820 --> 03:23:41,388
sense if you're going to put a to foot berm and six foot wall to get eight feet, but now

2503
03:23:41,388 --> 03:23:45,925
we're coming down to a six foot wall. Uh, how are the berms?

2504
03:23:45,925 --> 03:23:48,694
figured. Um, tell us. The commissioner.

2505
03:23:48,694 --> 03:23:50,363
>> can you use berm? Thank you.

2506
03:23:50,363 --> 03:23:52,650
>> totally. Yes.

2507
03:23:52,650 --> 03:23:53,200
>> yeah. >> okay.

2508
03:23:53,200 --> 03:23:54,868
>> yeah. >> if you have the space and

2509
03:23:54,868 --> 03:23:57,700
the resources. Yes. Bill largo did that years ago

2510
03:23:57,700 --> 03:23:59,672
out on state road 200. That's a lot bigger than six.

2511
03:23:59,672 --> 03:24:02,809
>> feet but. It works. Um, but it does.

2512
03:24:02,809 --> 03:24:05,512
>> it takes. Space and that and that's valuable land.

2513
03:24:05,512 --> 03:24:11,752
uh, o using a combination either a fence, a wall, a berm or any they're n uh,

2514
03:24:11,752 --> 03:24:15,789
combination. Is suitable for a. Farm and a two foot wall.

2515
03:24:15,789 --> 03:24:20,159
you can. Accomplish the opacity with a berm at six feet and

2516
03:24:20,159 --> 03:24:23,530
landscaping on it. You're good. And that's always been

2517
03:24:23,530 --> 03:24:25,899
permitted. It always has. That's always been permitted in

2518
03:24:25,899 --> 03:24:27,330
the case that's. >> not.

2519
03:24:27,330 --> 03:24:30,504
no yeah. And honestly commissioner it's a very good combination.

2520
03:24:30,504 --> 03:24:35,676
it gives you a different character to the perimeter. I'm not opposed to it I just.

2521
03:24:35,676 --> 03:24:40,725
but I like jim's example. Bell largo that's ne of my clients and that is the most

2522
03:24:40,725 --> 03:24:44,950
extraordinary berm I've. Ever seen. Uh, yeah.

2523
03:24:44,950 --> 03:24:48,399
that was designed by the same client that tried to sell you a new house with their.

2524
03:24:48,399 --> 03:24:50,399
landscape package. Jim.

2525
03:24:50,735 --> 03:24:54,639
>> jimmy, you haven't seen. You haven't. Seen summer glen.

2526
03:24:54,639 --> 03:24:58,209
I haven't seen summer glen. I must not have. Because if.

2527
03:24:58,209 --> 03:25:02,347
>> their buffer is better than that, then I haven't. Seen, uh, anyone else.

2528
03:25:02,347 --> 03:25:06,547
um. It almost. Afternoon jessica isom 401 east

2529
03:25:10,655 --> 03:25:15,994
jackson street, suite 2100, tampa, florida. Um, you do have a handout.

2530
03:25:15,994 --> 03:25:20,231
>> that was provided to you. In mr. Cool yard's packet? Um, it does say.

2531
03:25:20,231 --> 03:25:21,232
>> at. The. Top provided by.

2532
03:25:21,232 --> 03:25:24,936
jessica iseman august 19th the track. Changes are.

2533
03:25:24,936 --> 03:25:29,400
changes from what the. Drc approved. At their or recommended for

2534
03:25:29,400 --> 03:25:31,842
approval at their public hearing. So this is not the existing

2535
03:25:31,842 --> 03:25:34,545
code. This is. Changes to the what is.

2536
03:25:34,545 --> 03:25:38,145
>> being proposed. So because. Jimmy alluded.

2537
03:25:38,583 --> 03:25:43,754
to it just now initially when this was ordinance was drafted. It was.

2538
03:25:43,754 --> 03:25:48,590
>> that fences were allowed basically by right. With approval.

2539
03:25:48,590 --> 03:25:52,664
>> of drc. That changed during one of the ldr sees that last ldr see

2540
03:25:52,664 --> 03:25:56,670
public hearing it changed from abuy right to a. Waiver which.

2541
03:25:56,670 --> 03:26:00,572
>> is why jimmy is talking about that language. Well in that shift we idn't

2542
03:26:00,572 --> 03:26:03,908
catch this change because. With the.

2543
03:26:03,908 --> 03:26:07,745
>> right away so what we're really talking about with. That said.

2544
03:26:07,745 --> 03:26:11,149
that footnote. Four we're only. Talking about single family and

2545
03:26:11,149 --> 03:26:14,850
multifamily next to right away. That's the only time this footnote applies.

2546
03:26:14,850 --> 03:26:18,156
so with single family and multifamily next to right away that.

2547
03:26:18,156 --> 03:26:20,158
>> used. To be a type c buffer in the old.

2548
03:26:20,158 --> 03:26:25,763
code that does not require a. Wall or a fence. So as a compromise what we are

2549
03:26:25,763 --> 03:26:30,468
proposing is requiring a ence in that condition instead of nothing.

2550
03:26:30,468 --> 03:26:34,939
provide a fence. And if a wall is provided. Have an incentive.

2551
03:26:34,939 --> 03:26:37,942
to provide the wall by reducing. The buffer to ten feet.

2552
03:26:37,942 --> 03:26:42,647
so that's what's proposed. >> with this um language change

2553
03:26:42,647 --> 03:26:46,985
and doing that shift from a fence by right to by waiver we had to make this language

2554
03:26:46,985 --> 03:26:50,989
change to make it clear. That you do get in the instance of single family and

2555
03:26:50,989 --> 03:26:55,626
multifamily next to right way. You do get a fence by right. You don't have.

2556
03:26:55,626 --> 03:26:58,496
>> to go. Through the drc waiver process. But it.

2557
03:26:58,496 --> 03:27:01,599
is required. >> a ences required and if a

2558
03:27:01,599 --> 03:27:05,200
wall is provided then you get. A reduced buffer. That's hat.

2559
03:27:05,200 --> 03:27:09,306
>> we're proposing. Again with the additional language changes I'll have to

2560
03:27:09,306 --> 03:27:11,776
go back. These are not I believe a lot of these.

2561
03:27:11,776 --> 03:27:18,149
are are usable. Um so I would I am hoping just so we're all on the same page

2562
03:27:18,149 --> 03:27:23,870
is when we come back to the next public hearing staff and the development community may

2563
03:27:23,870 --> 03:27:27,191
have different ordinances proposed if we cannot come to an agreement hopefully we.

2564
03:27:27,191 --> 03:27:31,800
do but if we don't. I will give. You an ordinance that's being

2565
03:27:31,800 --> 03:27:36,318
proposed by the development community and so that you can make a decision basically

2566
03:27:36,318 --> 03:27:44,718
and decide make no changes, staff changes or changes. Or potentially revert back to

2567
03:27:44,894 --> 03:27:47,129
the old. Code if you have to.

2568
03:27:47,129 --> 03:27:48,931
>> do. A reversion under a senate bill.

2569
03:27:48,931 --> 03:27:53,102
180 right. Thank you. One question essica, before.

2570
03:27:53,102 --> 03:27:56,272
>> you leave. That same footnote, uh, we.

2571
03:27:56,272 --> 03:28:00,472
>> are. Suggesting we change shell to may.

2572
03:28:00,476 --> 03:28:03,946
I if you. Guys would onsider that because if you have a developer

2573
03:28:03,946 --> 03:28:09,485
that does not want to reduce the buffer I think may will give us that flexibility.

2574
03:28:09,485 --> 03:28:11,454
yeah. >> my thought was.

2575
03:28:11,454 --> 03:28:15,525
the the shall meaning the required. Buffer shall be reduced.

2576
03:28:15,525 --> 03:28:19,428
but of course an applicant can always go more than what code is required.

2577
03:28:19,428 --> 03:28:24,133
and what I did and what I'm concerned about with may instead of shell is that staff

2578
03:28:24,133 --> 03:28:29,505
could say o even though you're putting in a wall I'm going to say no even though you've

2579
03:28:29,505 --> 03:28:32,842
designed a wall and put it on your plans and designed your community with a ten foot.

2580
03:28:32,842 --> 03:28:35,111
buffer. >> we're saying no because you

2581
03:28:35,111 --> 03:28:40,916
want even bigger. And so. This that's why we said may

2582
03:28:40,916 --> 03:28:45,721
reduce the required buffer. With yeah because if it says there if it says the

2583
03:28:45,721 --> 03:28:50,359
requirement may the only one who can waive the requirement is the county.

2584
03:28:50,359 --> 03:28:54,263
so the requirements on us not on them. So that's.

2585
03:28:54,263 --> 03:28:55,264
>> the part. >> so we.

2586
03:28:55,264 --> 03:28:58,670
need to figure out a way how to clarify that. Right and I will.

2587
03:28:58,670 --> 03:29:03,500
but can't can't any it can't any applicant go above and beyond the code.

2588
03:29:03,500 --> 03:29:07,877
so a wall is more intensive is a more intense buffer than a fence.

2589
03:29:07,877 --> 03:29:12,681
we would allow that anyway right. And it's saying if if.

2590
03:29:12,681 --> 03:29:17,486
>> a wall is. Provided in those situations and in only those situations

2591
03:29:17,486 --> 03:29:19,880
the buffer width could. >> be.

2592
03:29:19,880 --> 03:29:21,357
reduced to ten at the option of that I.

2593
03:29:21,357 --> 03:29:22,758
>> think it's fine. Yeah to. Keep it well.

2594
03:29:22,758 --> 03:29:26,628
I mean I think it's. >> good but I to your point.

2595
03:29:26,628 --> 03:29:30,766
I think. Shall require the I mean what she's saying is.

2596
03:29:30,766 --> 03:29:35,370
that your requirement shall change. Correct your discretion doesn't

2597
03:29:35,370 --> 03:29:38,140
change. Maybe we just need to tweak it so that.

2598
03:29:38,140 --> 03:29:41,377
we can see those. That hey I still have the discretion to leave it.

2599
03:29:41,377 --> 03:29:49,177
I can see a situation when a reviewer see that it's still. 15 foot.

2600
03:29:49,818 --> 03:29:54,857
>> why did they say. You need to get a waiver to change to keep it the way it.

2601
03:29:54,857 --> 03:29:57,193
>> is right? Even to go bigger? A waiver to have a bigger

2602
03:29:57,193 --> 03:29:58,127
buffer. Than what's.

2603
03:29:58,127 --> 03:30:01,797
>> required I can. See because of the shell then that you were saying well just

2604
03:30:01,797 --> 03:30:03,465
oh it's not. What work.

2605
03:30:03,465 --> 03:30:04,600
>> on it. >> but well.

2606
03:30:04,600 --> 03:30:08,471
>> I'm not I don't know. What you want. It makes a lot of sense so I

2607
03:30:08,471 --> 03:30:10,272
think that's good right. >> and if.

2608
03:30:10,272 --> 03:30:14,543
you'd like when we come back for a second public hearing I'd be happy to do a larger

2609
03:30:14,543 --> 03:30:18,717
presentation or more than two minutes. Um, to explain some of our

2610
03:30:18,717 --> 03:30:20,119
decision points. Absolutely.

2611
03:30:20,119 --> 03:30:23,756
>> if you're to clarify jessica and she. Said jessica if you if you'll

2612
03:30:23,756 --> 03:30:28,894
um. Just send me a note o. Jen how much time you want and

2613
03:30:28,894 --> 03:30:31,831
set it up and then if you can get the presentation to. Us.

2614
03:30:31,831 --> 03:30:34,166
>> okay. Um. We'll give you the

2615
03:30:34,166 --> 03:30:37,235
time necessary to go through. The work that you did. Okay.

2616
03:30:37,235 --> 03:30:38,370
>> sounds good. >> thank you.

2617
03:30:38,370 --> 03:30:40,206
could you step here? I know I'm not supposed to speak again, but I'd.

2618
03:30:40,206 --> 03:30:41,373
like appreciate. >> to.

2619
03:30:41,373 --> 03:30:45,845
clarify something she said the development community this is ldcs product.

2620
03:30:45,845 --> 03:30:50,449
it's not just miss isom and some other client. She brought some changes.

2621
03:30:50,449 --> 03:30:55,154
ldc accepted some of them and not others. So this this is an ldr rc

2622
03:30:55,154 --> 03:30:59,250
proposal. Some of us who represent developers are sitting up here

2623
03:30:59,250 --> 03:31:04,997
making changes that we thought protected the county um and may our clients.ily be the best for-

2624
03:31:04,997 --> 03:31:09,735
so so this is an ldr she's representing developers. I just want to let y'all know

2625
03:31:09,735 --> 03:31:13,439
that this product. Was the. Drc okay thank you.

2626
03:31:13,439 --> 03:31:18,210
so what ordinance would you be bringing in on behalf of the developers.

2627
03:31:18,210 --> 03:31:21,279
so well yeah she was working for the developers. I'm working right with the

2628
03:31:21,279 --> 03:31:25,584
development community and what I what the. Drc approved.

2629
03:31:25,584 --> 03:31:28,587
at their. Public hearing is completely acceptable.

2630
03:31:28,587 --> 03:31:34,660
so if you accepted. These ordinances with only this one edit change on the footnote

2631
03:31:34,660 --> 03:31:35,561
four. >> we.

2632
03:31:35,561 --> 03:31:39,498
would have absolutely no objections without mr. Cooley or to added changes that were

2633
03:31:39,498 --> 03:31:43,502
presented today. Now it's on us. We need to go back and speak

2634
03:31:43,502 --> 03:31:47,640
with mr. Cooley, art and his staff and determine is there some meeting of the minds

2635
03:31:47,640 --> 03:31:50,609
there? If there is. We're not going to say no but.

2636
03:31:50,609 --> 03:31:53,379
there could be some conflict and so that's why.

2637
03:31:53,379 --> 03:31:55,381
>> so if there's conflict you'll bring back your proposal.

2638
03:31:55,381 --> 03:31:59,452
right? Tim and our eam will bring back their proposal and the

2639
03:31:59,452 --> 03:32:00,986
commission will decide. Yeah, exactly.

2640
03:32:00,986 --> 03:32:02,521
>> I want you to be very clear. With what.

2641
03:32:02,521 --> 03:32:05,190
>> your options. Are and what the consequences are.

2642
03:32:05,190 --> 03:32:07,460
>> and that'll be a little actually that'll be a little bit clearer han today's.

2643
03:32:07,460 --> 03:32:12,465
yes mixed ordinance. Yes we appreciate that I appreciate that.

2644
03:32:12,465 --> 03:32:16,100
so are we going to end up getting okay. So are we going to end up

2645
03:32:16,100 --> 03:32:20,673
getting an ordinance from yep jim and staff one from drc and then one from.

2646
03:32:20,673 --> 03:32:23,909
her no no no. But we won't get another one from el drc.

2647
03:32:23,909 --> 03:32:27,513
we will get. The proposals changed that jim had today.

2648
03:32:27,513 --> 03:32:32,218
this is not going back to el paso is going to be this and. You're going.

2649
03:32:32,218 --> 03:32:36,220
>> to get staff. Version that we might like just one that I agree on.

2650
03:32:36,220 --> 03:32:38,824
that I. Appreciate you saying that or. We might get to.

2651
03:32:38,824 --> 03:32:43,495
and and if there are any differences why don't we prepare a single document with

2652
03:32:43,495 --> 03:32:46,899
just he differences? Yes that's what my intent is is to highlight where.

2653
03:32:46,899 --> 03:32:50,690
our differences are. And just focus on those issues .

2654
03:32:50,690 --> 03:32:52,638
and to show you. Both options correct.

2655
03:32:52,638 --> 03:32:54,974
>> we appreciate that very much. Because we appreciate all your

2656
03:32:54,974 --> 03:32:57,540
percent aligned right. We are we're.

2657
03:32:57,540 --> 03:32:58,989
>> getting we're close we're getting we're getting real close.

2658
03:32:58,989 --> 03:33:00,257
and I'm. >> glad that we've taken the

2659
03:33:00,257 --> 03:33:02,459
time. To go. Back and forth and have all

2660
03:33:02,459 --> 03:33:06,163
these debates. And in your time with ld, rc and in the time of the land

2661
03:33:06,163 --> 03:33:08,731
development code committee they they've done some really good work.

2662
03:33:08,731 --> 03:33:11,735
they help us get to a good spot you know.

2663
03:33:11,735 --> 03:33:14,471
>> because. At the end of the day everybody does care about the community

2664
03:33:14,471 --> 03:33:19,576
and wants to be exactly and so I ppreciate your time as well thank you or anything else.

2665
03:33:19,576 --> 03:33:23,681
we don't need to go back to elder c right now we can meet with.

2666
03:33:23,681 --> 03:33:26,350
we can just meet we'll set. >> that up right away.

2667
03:33:26,350 --> 03:33:28,618
hopefully we. Could just meet meeting come up with the right compromises and

2668
03:33:28,618 --> 03:33:30,954
tweaks that we can both all live with it.

2669
03:33:30,954 --> 03:33:32,622
>> we'll set that up right. >> away okay.

2670
03:33:32,622 --> 03:33:34,491
>> and so that one will come back to us september.

2671
03:33:34,491 --> 03:33:36,626
>> 14th and that everything will come back to us on the 14th.

2672
03:33:36,626 --> 03:33:40,230
the only thing that comes back to us on the 14th. Is unless we have some magic

2673
03:33:40,230 --> 03:33:45,350
happen with vendors but otherwise the food trucks will come back at a different date

2674
03:33:45,350 --> 03:33:46,236
maybe in october. >> the food.

2675
03:33:46,236 --> 03:33:51,841
truck ordinance it's very complicated commissioner you're talking about I mean some very

2676
03:33:51,841 --> 03:33:55,845
good public comments you've been talking about different. Lots of.

2677
03:33:55,845 --> 03:33:57,981
>> different issues. >> we are combining everything

2678
03:33:57,981 --> 03:33:59,917
in one short ordinance to help .

2679
03:33:59,917 --> 03:34:01,952
>> us help. Us with that one. Jessica.

2680
03:34:01,952 --> 03:34:03,320
yeah? >> do you.

2681
03:34:03,320 --> 03:34:04,588
>> have. Any food truck? Hi, jessica.

2682
03:34:04,588 --> 03:34:11,788
all right, all right. Anything else y'all? If not, we'll e adjourned.

2683
03:34:13,463 --> 03:34:17,663
thanks, guys. Appreciate the work. Let's go.