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Good morning everyone.
Like to call this meeting to order.

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Could please stand in the pledge of
allegiance.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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could you do roll call please
John

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» here
>> Jim

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» here Steve Mcomes
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» entertain a motion for today's agenda
>> move to approve today's agenda

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» second
momes

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donor I

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» on the communications
board is there any communications

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questions.

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You have any seeing that?

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Moving on to public comments. This is
the portion of the agenda where we can

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hear from the public on um about items
that are not listed below. These can

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become items that for future topics for
future agendas. If you're here to to

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speak on something on the agenda, we'll
speak about those later. So, do we have

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any public comments?

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Good morning board. I just wanted to let
everybody know that Sunday, September

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13th, so this Sunday we have our annual
public safety night out. So we have all

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of our departments between EMS, fire,
law enforcement, utilities, public

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works, um coming and bringing um
vehicles, demonstrations, just kind of a

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time for the whole county to get
together and meet these individuals

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before maybe their black sky day. Um
it's a full family day of fun. It's

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free. We've done sponsors. We always try
to make this a free family event. Um, so

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we're hoping for perfect weather. It's
going to be at the Marian County

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Fairgrounds from 2:00 to 5:00. So I hope
to see everybody there. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Emily. Appreciate that.
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» Any other public comments?

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» Anything online?
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Entertain a motion for approval for the
consent agenda.

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» I move we approve the consent agenda.

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Wheeler.
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» John.
>> Hi.

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» McCi.
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» On to business. Item number one is
county uh economic development. This

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would be our um second annual cleanup
day funding request. Good morning.

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» Good morning. Thank you for your
consideration today. Um the and Kelly

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Mitchell is here from the hope group as
well. So if you have questions that she

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can answer for you because I've just
seen it from the outside. Short version

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is uh they are having their second
annual cleanup. You assisted last year

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um in their first annual one and I can
she can cover all the things that were

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picked up. They did a they did a great
job. They had uh community meeting

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earlier this summer. Uh and she can tell
you a little bit about that. But this is

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a group that's really trying to make a
difference in a small community. Um and

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I think from the outside looking in,
they've already done a great job. But

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again, for a small community coming
together, uh I would just appreciate

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your consideration of this ask,

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» Dan. Um and the request is um $1,000 to
help with the roll off dumpsters tipping

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fees. That's correct. All right. Um last
year those funds um come out of the

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zoning department, I believe. Where was
the request were you looking at and have

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you talked to zoning about that at all?
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a better job. I will tell you that
checking with Missy beforehand. I

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honestly didn't realize or didn't
understand where the money might come

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from. Was going to leave that to your
discretion. Uh last year it did come out

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of the zoning spun for cleaning up these
type of places, these type of

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properties. So u I in all honesty it's
entirely up to you.

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» And Kelly, are you
>> Yes. If you could could you step to the

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podium, please?
>> Um, good morning.

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» Yeah. Tell us your name and address
there so that we have it for record.

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» Yeah. Kelly Mitchell, uh, from 29070th
Avenue in Otuley, uh, president of Hope,

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Inc., uh, we're a small group of
concerned citizens looking to revitalize

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our small town. Um, and so through that
work, uh, a cleanup day, an annual

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cleanup day is part of that. and we're
just trying to uh make that available to

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folks to clean up their properties and
keep them um I don't know up to date I

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guess so to speak. Um you know we're
unincorporated little town. We don't

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have a cleanup day. All the towns around
us do. Um and we just wanted to bring

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that to make it as convenient as
possible for our long-term goal is to uh

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make Otley be as attractive as possible.
keep um growing businesses that have

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established around there and also make
it more attractive so that people will

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want to live and possibly build there.
>> So, Kelly, I know that uh you guys had

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quite success last year. Are you seeing
any um what I would consider repeat

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offenders where they're just, you know,
they cleaned up or somebody helped them

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cleaned up and they're just accumulating
again? Yeah, I think there are always

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going to be some and um you know we
continue to try to build a sense of

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community in Otley. Um so that it's um I
want to be, you know, I want to be part

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of the solution, that kind of thing. And
those conversations are always ongoing

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and we try to be as open as possible and
but making this available um the cleanup

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day is to help uh those folks know that
they do have a resource and we'll

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continue to help them. Um, but as far as
targeting any businesses, uh, no, we're

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not targeting. We're just trying to make
an event available and if any of the

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businesses that hap that the county
happens to be working with, uh, come

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forward, we absolutely will be helping
them.

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» Does this look like this is going to be
an annual thing for Alley? The only

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reason I asked if if we're going to have
to be looking at Alley and maybe other

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rural town, are we going to have to
increase the budget for zoning to cover

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these costs or where this money coming
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» So, we are also doing fundraising. We
estimate our goal this year to be around

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$2,800. We're asking for a thousand to
help with tipping fees. Uh we will have

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rolloff box rentals, those kinds of
thing. I think some of the difference

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that sets us aside from some of the
other unincorporated communities is we

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are a group that has come together and
established a 501c3 specifically for um

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just trying to revitalize our town. I
don't know if there are other groups and

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some of the other ones uh some of the
other small towns but it but we are

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reaching out to the county again because
we are unincorporated. We are a rural

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part of this county and we're just
trying to make it better.

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» Yeah, I get that. My point is
if it's if it's going to be an annual

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thing we have we have to start looking
at budgetary things.

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» So do we increase
on that? I guess not a question to you.

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» Yeah. But
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you know obviously oddly you know has
formed a group and um you know when

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others do it and as costs rise those are
all things that uh we as a board have to

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consider especially when um you know
when we're being with how you know when

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we have Senate file 2472 coming at us
which is the 2% property tax you know

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those are things that we're just going
to have to be mindful whether you know,

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[clears throat] I also uh low, you know,
lowhanging fruit, right? You know, it's

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it's it's come to us, you know, and and
and ask that. I do think that um the

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businesses and I'm appreciative of them
stepping forward and helping with you.

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Um I do hope that maybe you can keep
generating and maybe if you're not

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spending all your funds that it it
carries over to the next

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» year. Um, when it comes to the funds
that you're using, I'm assuming that

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would be directly is that something that
we in the when we paid lat in the past,

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did that go um directly to you or did
that go to the landfill? Do we know the

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landfill?
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» Landfill.
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in that fund currently?
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» Okay. All right. So you're right, Steve,
to answer your question, if they're

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going to make it available to all the
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there's seven. So we need to look at
that. And then there still needs to be

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funds. The intent is when we set it
forth when Steve and I um talked about

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this, we set it forth and it was put
forth because I've worked with property

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owners that maybe they don't have the
money to pay the tipping fees. That's

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the difference between them being
compliant and non-compliant. And so we

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put that money in there. Um cotton did
clean up properties last year that were

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very non-compliant. We sent out notices
to let people,

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» hey, your property may not be in
compliance of these things and

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properties were cleaned up. We were
still we um just recently had another

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trailer house removed. Another house
sold was going to be cleaned up. We've

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worked on projects um and Kim part of it
was um inspired by the group and the

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group helping. So
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for any landfill

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» 501c3 correct [clears throat]
>> grants that have you guys I guess that's

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a good question Tyler. Have you saw any
grants at all when it comes to that? We

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have I did not know that the landfill
had one available. We will go and check

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that out. I think you know we continue
to fund raise. We have inkind donations

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in terms of equipment for that day. So
um skid steer tractors those kinds of

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things. So people are bringing that in.
Um and then also yes we have done some

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fundraising where we are reaching out to
the businesses and also those who

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invested in us last year. Uh again we
will continue. Um, you know, I wish I

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could say that we were able to fund
raise enough to fund all of it, but

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that's why I'm here today. Um, we, you
know, we just continue on that on that

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path.
>> I think it's just I'll go on records and

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say I think it's just absolutely
fantastic that you guys have taken this

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on and trying to improve the community
and make it a great place to live and

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and move forward with that. Quite
frankly, I I wish that more of the

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unincorporated incorporated areas would
do that self-determination and take

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those things on as well because we can't
legislate everything from a three person

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panel up here. So, people need to take
responsibility for their areas of those

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things. We're here to support those
things. And quite frankly, $1,000 last

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year, $1,000 this year, and $1,000 going
forward, quite frankly, to me doesn't

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move the needle very much. coming from a
county perspective, but yet it can

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directly impact positively impact so
many people their their lives and how

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they um look at the community and the
county as well as others. And again, I

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would encourage other uninccorporated
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I've got no problem whatsoever with
thousands this year or into the future.

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We do need to take consideration if it
becomes a budget issue. Absolutely. we

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need to make sure that we put it in
there, but I don't want to solve a

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problem I don't have yet. So, I mean, I
don't have a problem whatsoever ask this

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year. Um, a discussion that we could
have at the next budget session is, you

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know, maybe we increase that cleanup
budget from 2500 to 10,000. I don't know

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what that right number is, but other
than just to say I don't want to drive

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by the unincorporated areas and see junk
sitting at all the place and not feel

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like we've done our very best to get it
cleaned up. And if it's simply a matter

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of writing a check for $1,000 to get it
cleaned up, I got no problem whatsoever

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with that. We're not made of money. I
don't want to give any

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but uh but there are priorities that I
know that we need to be able to pick and

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the personal commitment by the
individuals and the businesses in a late

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is something that I think other
communities should emulate and try with

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the same kind of thing.
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Don't get me wrong, there I'm at that
point also that

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we need to look at the funding sources
and how how we're going to fund these if

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if they become, you know, the other
unincorporated areas want to do the same

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thing. We need to we need to increase
the the fund that line item. My next

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question would be miss what what Missy
brought up. If somebody does not have

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the money to pay the tipping fee,
how do we determine if that is true or

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not or if they just don't want to pay
it? I mean,

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» fine line. And honestly, we've never
actually since the funds were set forth,

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we've never actually I had one contact
me, but they wanted me to actually pay

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for the roll off and and all that stuff.
Well, that's not the intent. I mean,

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» I don't mind I don't mind helping people
that need help. I just don't I just

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don't want to help somebody that's lazy.
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And again, that money is I'm not in
support of giving the group the $1,000.

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If it's coming out of my budget, it
needs to be paid up to $1,000 to the

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landfill drip.
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» Okay. So, I'm hearing from the board
that they're supported. Um I I guess to

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me, um it makes the most sense to come
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where we've had it before. Um, that
would be my request. Um, I do think that

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we are going to have to be mindful when
it comes to if other unincorporated

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areas do this and at the end of the day.
Um, you know,

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» that's going to be that's going to be a
budget discussion we have with Missy and

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Zoning as far as increasing that budget
if if we're if we're going to be

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supportive in the future of these
things.

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So K should come just so there is um
last I think it was last meeting Busy

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was here so there was some room in that
line item as well as department 99 that

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was pre-budgeted and there is also that
other big cleanup amount that wasn't in

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isn't directly out of Missy's as
available if you'd want to use that as

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well on
>> there are options is what we're saying

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» but I think we have to give direction in
which what we're looking at

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» so are we looking at bringing it out of
Missy's budget. And

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that's that would be my recommendation
at this point. We just use uh a little

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bit for what we did for Busy out of that
other line item. Um, so [clears throat]

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yeah,
>> and actually I don't disagree with that,

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Kesha, but I would also um say that if
we do get into the situation where we

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spent that
uh and we still have needs that are

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unfunded, that's when we go back to the
99 and we remind Jake of what commented

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about, right? So I'm just suggesting is
don't feel like, oh, we're spending your

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budget now. They got no options.
>> I do have absolutely do have options.

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» I do have actually right now we have
four under notice of violation that may

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have to be cleaned up by the county and
we have 25 million bucks. So,

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» and if you and if we run above that then
let's talk to Jake on department 999. We

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need to hear about it.
>> Yeah. Currently your line item is

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» it's not it's not big enough to cover
what we're trying to do here. So that's

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that's an issue we're going to have to
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» So do we have a motion?
>> I move to approve the funding request

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for the office. Second of
>> second

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John IS.

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» Thank you. On behalf of Oley, thank you
all so much. Thanks.

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Item number two is Marian County
Courthouse Special Event Application,

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Hospital Area Community Hospital, Girls
Night Out

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before us. Um, this is the application
that we have received. They've been

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doing this for several years. Um, I have
not heard anything. Facilities, are you

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good with this request? Okay.
>> 100%. They've been great partners.

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» Okay, great. Um, they, you know, have
checked all the boxes. I just don't know

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if you have any special event
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Just know that they're not requesting to
use restrooms. So, it's just uh the

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grounds. So, all right. Entertain a
motion for

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area community growth.
>> So, moved. Support

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Mcomes.
>> Hi.

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» Wheeler.
>> Hi.

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» John.
>> Hi.

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» Item number three is resolution 2026-98.
A resolution designating the place at

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which notice of meetings of the Marian
County Board of Supervisors shall be

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posted
on the attorney. Mr. Har.

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» Thank you. There were some changes made
to chapters 21 and 22 the Iowa code this

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year changing the requirements for
notification of public meetings and in

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an effort to make sure we're in
compliance with that. Um one of the

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changes was that um we have to have a
designated place where we post uh

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meeting notices. um the internet or
website uh isn't sufficient although we

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are required to do that but a physical
location is required and uh there is

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language in the statute that says that
it must be displayed uh continuously. Um

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the advice that we've gotten from the
attorney general's office means that

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that's 24 hours a day. So um placing
them within the courthouse uh during

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business hours only um there's a matter
of some debate about whether that's uh

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sufficient or not. And I think it's
probably best that we are safe rather

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than sorry and designate a place where
we can continuously display our public

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notices. I've had uh discussions with uh
Drew and Chris and Jake and I think we

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have some ideas about the south side of
the courthouse. Uh however, whatever the

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board decides is best. But uh I do think
it's good that we um make this decision

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so we're in compliance with the law. Hey
Jared, I think after me and Chris were

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looking at it, we kind of looked at west
side be the best spot. Sure. So,

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» okay.
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» is this is this the TV screen we were
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» Okay.
>> And that has been ordered or after this

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I mean like
>> case

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TV is coming in today.
>> Is the state going to help us pay for

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this Jim? [laughter]
>> I'll ask him Steve.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. So I do think the west side um

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makes sense. I do think uh having it
under a screen so people can walk up to

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see it and visualize. So um yes and then
that means also I think it's important

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that uh we'll be able to log will be a
system that we can log in so um those

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that are having meetings um can post
there too. So yeah,

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» I'm assuming my suggestion didn't apply
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» [laughter]
>> They haven't gotten back to me.

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» So, we'll just be on a scrolling
basically. We can have other

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announcements and things.
>> Yeah. Going on.

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» So, right now it's kind of going to be
like how the other displays are in the

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courthouse which just Google slide which
we can update slides and stuff like

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that.

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» That'll be good. I do think designating
this and obviously we have to do it um

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to follow code. So,
You have no further questions and we'll

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entertain a motion for resolution
2026-98.

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» Are we designating the place to in this
resolution?

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» Yep, it is. It's it's designated on the
west Yep. entry.

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» Okay. Yep.
>> All right. And thank you to Jane for all

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your help with this.
We go approve resolution 2026-98.

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» Second.
>> Hi.

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» Hi.
>> Holmes.

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» Hi.
So item number four is resolution

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2026-97.
This is adopting new load limits on

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certain bridges located in Marian County
on the secondary road system.

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» Yeah. During the most recent uh
inspection cycle from our bridge

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inspection consultant heard from Michael
Associates that uh particular bridge was

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in need of
uh an updated post. currently not

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posted. Uh we have done repairs on this
bridge in the past extending the life

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maybe eight years ago. We did this eight
or 10 years ago. Um but you know as

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things changed and deteriorate
the result is we do have a load posting

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284040. So what that means is the 28 is
a load limit for your single unit

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vehicles. So your standard dump truck of
three to seven axles where everything

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else your combination units would still
be at the 8010 legal load limit. Uh so I

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recommend this
resolution be approved and signage is

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already underway.
>> 80 ton is the semi truck.

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» Yeah. Yeah. T typical
depending on its configuration but right

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typical combination unit so semi would
be 80,000 pounds or 40.

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» Yeah,
>> which is the current legal load.

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» Okay.
>> Or but this would not be legal for any

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of the all systems permits which is a a
new law went into replacement two or

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three years ago. Okay.
>> Which I was against.

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Yeah. Or just to re every bridge.
>> All right.

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Is there any further questions to tie
in? It seems pretty straightforward to

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me. I'll entertain a motion for
resolution 2026-97.

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» Move we approve resolution 2026-97.

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That sorry
[clears throat] John.

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» Hi.
>> Hi. Hi.

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» Thank you. On to item number five. This
is the Maring County Humane Society

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contract review notice. Um what I have
before you today is um a contract renew

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um contract review notice and uh it's
brought to us because currently um the

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agreement that we've had in place has
been in since 2013.

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Uh, as you're fully aware,
Senate File 2472, as I mentioned

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earlier, is making us think about what
contracts we have and and looking at

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those things. And I do feel that it's
important that we bring before um the

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the contract. And uh this would be just
a notice. So when [clears throat] you

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look at the current agreement, if you if
you look in your packet, um item number

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four states that this agreement shall
have a term of 12 months from the date

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of complete execution by both parties
and shall renew automatically each year

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unless written notice is given by either
party of intent to terminate or

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renegotiate the agreement 60 days prior
to renewal. That is why this is being

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brought before um the board today is
that we have to to be able to even start

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talking about the contract. We have to
give them notice that we're wanting to

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um discuss that. Um I would also like to
note um that I also serve on uh as a

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board of supervisor, I serve on the
board of health and uh there does need

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to be some language updated in regarding
quarantine. um we the board of health

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recently had an issue um in a situation
with um a quarantine animal. So I do

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think it is important that we give them
their notice and it is just to start the

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negotiation. That is what this is about
and and I frankly I really appreciate

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all the input that we've received for
all the concern citizens. That's

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absolutely I encourage that. Uh I love
getting a full email box. It's great to

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hear from everybody. Um, I also think we
need to, as Kesha just said, put it in

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perspective. This is not, we are not out
trying to cut, eliminate, diminish, or

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that humane society does uh
periodically. All contracts should be

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reviewed. This one's not been looked at
since 2013. We all know things change.

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Uh, and this is simply an announcement,
a notice that we just want to look at.

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So, all the the keyboard warriors out
there that are uh sending out

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information that we're going to get rid
of this and defund it and all those

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things. Uh please just hold back, take a
breath, and let it play out. This is

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simply a notice that we're going to talk
about it.

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» Yeah. And I do think it is important
that we understand what we're paying

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for. I mean, we haven't we haven't
talked about it since 2013. Um it is

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important and it is a time for where
they can speak and we can speak and uh I

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do think from my perspective I do think
people need to understand that these

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contracts we it's no different than
library. The library comes to us on a

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yearly basis. These are contracts that
we're going to have to look at on yearly

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basis. That's just the way it is. Um,
and uh I'm I know that this ruffled

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feathers. Um, and
if those of you

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that went back and looked at the can I
can I hairless pose notice that I did do

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a disclaimer because I felt that it was
misleading and uh so uh yeah and uh I do

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think that that is something that
sometimes people read it and don't read

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the full story of it. Um, and uh,
yeah, I just I mean I do appreciate you

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reaching out, but you have to understand
that this is part of our job too that

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with taxpayer funds, we do have to look
at these things and these are contracts

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that we are I personally plan to look on
a basis. So, Steve, if you have

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comments,
>> yeah, I got some comments.

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I I don't me personally
I have no intent of defunding the humane

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society nor do I believe this board has
any intent

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I we do need fiscal accountability to
the taxpayers so we need to know where

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what where the money's going how it's
being used that's simple plain and

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simple like people need to get their
facts and details together before they

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jump to conclusions
You know, there may be a time in the not

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too distant future that the citizens of
Marian County may be asked what taxpayer

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services are most important to them
because that decision may have be made

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down the road one of these days because
there's only so much money to go around.

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That's that's all I got to say.

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So
this um you know contract uh renew uh

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review notice board what I would like to
discuss is is um obviously that would

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our county attorney would help assist
that with us and um and then in turn we

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would um if you want myself to work with
the county attorney to start that

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process um I need to hear from the court
I guess that's why it's so

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» I think with you serving as a member of
the uh board of public health, I think

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it's appropriate that you would
represent the board of supervisors

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process.
>> All right. I think that would be

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logical.
>> Okay. I appreciate that.

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» Steve, do you have any thoughts?
>> Well, yeah. I mean, we have to answer to

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the state on where what where we spend
our money. So, anybody that receives

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taxpayer money should have the same
requirements.

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» Yeah. I I do think uh financials um
understanding what's being paid um it is

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important. Uh I do know that there is a
request out there. Um we have received

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uh some documentation from Humane
Society and I'm grateful for that. Um I

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do believe the last time I checked the
last three years of financials. We're

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still waiting on those. So those could
come to us that would be helpful. I do

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think that the board needs to be able to
review those. Um when you're taking

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taxpayer money um it is important that
we understand where that money is going.

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So, um, so with that board,
what I'm what I'm seeking today is a

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notice that, uh, if we're going to give
the Humane Society contract review

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notice of their 60 days. Um, and that we
would like to, uh, discuss, um,

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renegotiate the agreement.
>> Yeah. With no intent of defunding, I

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mean, or getting rid of it.
>> Eliminate.

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» Yeah. Eliminate.
>> Yep.

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you want to have special meetings for
that?

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» We will have to what we uh Linda what
we'll end up have to do is we'll give

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notice. So our legal counsel and I will
sit down and discuss and then we'll give

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legal notice and then uh we'll go from
there.

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» Yeah. Yeah. And so then that will start
that process if that makes sense. Okay.

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All right. So
I have a motion. Is that correct?

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» Yeah.

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Mcomes.
>> Hi,

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» Eeler.
>> Hi, Joner.

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» Hi.
>> Thank you everyone. Appreciate that.

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Item number six, um board before us is
what I have called and I don't know that

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we've had one before is called a work
session discussion. Um this is over

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overtime and compensatory um time
policy. Uh if you recall back in uh late

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June um there was a I believe it was
June 23rd um we had stated that we would

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look at um an updating of a policy
at that meeting. Um it was brought to us

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that uh there was um I believe it was
specifically mainly the road department

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that was not um very happy with the way
that was reading in the overtime policy.

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So we had given uh the direction of 90
days to go back um kind of come

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specifically said come best scenario
uh well um I have been meeting with

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Tyler and I met with him last week um
because as you know we're getting ready

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to uh come upon our 90 days that I felt
like we needed to know where where they

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were at and uh the road department um
has met with um Tyler has met with his

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road department personnel and I believe
they're here with us today and uh at

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this point they um they feel that they
do not want to make any changes uh that

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they like what they have they feel that
it has worked and they want to continue

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with that
>> clarification it status quo

414
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:36,399
with any amendments
for non-compliance if there are truly

415
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,919
things which I do believe there are a
couple things that would need to be

416
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:46,840
amended to be compliant with Iowa or
federal code

417
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:46,840
» status quo amending a non-compliance.

418
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:57,919
I determined at that time that it was
important that since

419
00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:03,760
uh as uh several of you are aware we
can't talk behind the scenes. So it's

420
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,840
time that we sat and talk and uh I know
that sometimes this type of situation

421
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:14,559
doesn't always make people feel very
comfortable. Um but it is one thing that

422
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:19,039
we need to hear what the other thinks
because you know it's just not me as

423
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:26,080
chair going to be saying this is what
we're doing. We as a board need

424
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:32,000
I do um Tyler and I have chatted and um
I do

425
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:37,679
think when you're sitting in this seat
big picture

426
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:42,799
um when you come into this role
and you have all these different silos

427
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:49,039
it's really hard to follow. it's really
hard to know who's doing what, who's,

428
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:54,320
you know, um, and when it comes to
office hours, when it comes to overtime,

429
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:57,679
um, I didn't realize that there was such
a difference.

430
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,919
» Um, and there is there's there's a huge
difference.

431
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:06,480
» And, um, I think that it's important
that we just discuss what we're looking

432
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:11,760
at, what we we are not making a decision
today. uh this is a work session um for

433
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:18,240
the board to you know if there's
questions um we can ask those questions

434
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:26,919
but then hopefully in the near future uh
by the next meeting if uh we decide then

435
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,919
we can help me so I'm opening the

436
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:40,800
I'd like to provide some justification
of why we ended up at that where we did

437
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:46,079
as a department,
if if you don't mind,

438
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:48,399
» please any and all.
>> I want to make sure that people can see

439
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:53,200
you. Tyler, could you
>> Yeah, you come up.

440
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:58,640
» Yeah. And please come. And and Tyler, I
appreciate

441
00:34:54,879 --> 00:35:04,640
uh your premise when you first started
uh your when you when you first spoke up

442
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:10,160
earlier that because I made the comment
a while back that however we end up with

443
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:14,880
all the pain policies and all those
things. As a supervisor,

444
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:21,920
we are all concerned to make sure that
whatever that policy looks like, it must

445
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:26,079
be legal both by the state and the
federal guidelines. And I know there's

446
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:29,920
some question on how that thing works
and different rules apply to different

447
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:36,240
departments and those things. I
recognize that. And to Kesha's point, we

448
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:41,599
only know what we know. My history has
never been managing a sheriff's

449
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:49,359
department or law enforcement or a road
crew or so my experience is much

450
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,760
different bringing that to the table. So
this is a learning process for me too.

451
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:59,359
So there may well be things that are
legal that just seems odd to me from my

452
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,560
history. So I'm learning as things go.
So

453
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:08,160
» that's a prime example of coming into
this role and you're you're

454
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,320
when you're looking at big picture
because that's what we're supposed to be

455
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,800
looking at. We're supposed to be looking
at budgets and the work department falls

456
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,440
under us. So I do want to make sure that
people understand the direct departments

457
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:24,880
that fall under us are IT, roads,
facilities, HR, economic development and

458
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:29,599
planning in the me right those others
are either elected or they have their

459
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:33,119
own level. Yep. And board.
>> Yeah. It's confusing.

460
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,000
» It's very confusing, right?
>> Yeah.

461
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,920
» So, this is a department that we do
directly oversee. I do think that we

462
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:43,920
need to make sure that we we have an
understanding that

463
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:47,280
» the typical taxpayer to think uh not
every department

464
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,480
works directly for us.
>> Exactly.

465
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:53,680
» Right.
>> Which was surprising to me as I got into

466
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,160
this role because I you would naturally
assume that they do, but in fact they

467
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,079
don't.
>> We just oversee their budget. I think

468
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,680
» that being said,
>> yeah, I think another important

469
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:08,880
clarification of that point is or
statement maybe not clarification is

470
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:12,640
there's always a lot of discussion about
how the private sector does things and

471
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:18,160
you know this board and previous boards
have mentioned that and and I think it's

472
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:23,520
it's okay to look at that through that
lens occasionally and and

473
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:28,480
but government efficiencies are
different but that doesn't mean we can't

474
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:34,640
still be efficient and budgetary,
fiscally responsible and whatnot,

475
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:40,079
but the county operating as one private
sector or one employer is really

476
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,839
difficult due to the nature of the work.
You're really administering in my

477
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:48,079
opinion
many different

478
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,320
companies within the county because they
all back they all operate so differently

479
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:58,079
and the nature of the work is so
different here.

480
00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:01,520
Just just a statement some How are they?
I mean,

481
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:07,119
» yeah. And and for clarification, which
this is clarification, the previous

482
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:10,880
handbook did define departments
individually specifically on how what

483
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:16,320
their work hours were, their overtime
comp, how that was approved and whatnot.

484
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:21,520
And it was very specifically defined by
department, lumping some together, uh I

485
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:27,119
think as courthouse employees and
whatnot. I think so we need to make sure

486
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:32,000
that when we redid the handbook we kept
it more of a high level and the reason

487
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:39,119
the reason we are here today is because
we had a was approximately 30 that went

488
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:44,400
from um exempt to non-exempt. So that
brought up the question, okay, and then

489
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:48,480
we come to find out and it Tyler's
correct. It was in the handbook before.

490
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:53,119
I did not fetch that that we had all
this difference. That's on me.

491
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:57,119
» I think from from road department
perspective, I think it's important to

492
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:00,880
note that that handbook is no longer in
effect. The new handbook as of July one

493
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:06,640
last year is in effect and does not
clearly define those things. We at the

494
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:11,920
road department, I issued as the
department head a memo to employees that

495
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:17,680
we will retain the policies and
practices of the previous handbook until

496
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:23,680
further notice at which point I was
drafting a policy for work hours and

497
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:28,400
overtime compensation to clarify with
the department of 38

498
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:34,320
full-time employees and over 40 part
with part-time we have to define things

499
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:39,520
and and have polic policies and
procedures in place to manage a

500
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:47,359
department such as that.
So I think if you will remember that

501
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:53,200
that is an important piece later on. Um
so I guess I I came up here to tell you

502
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:59,200
how I arrived at status quo with
amending any non-compliance.

503
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:03,599
So after the last board meeting uh took
so I do have my personnel committee here

504
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:09,280
again uh plus one Mike as our road
maintenance supervisor who is most

505
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:15,520
directly involved with administering
policies and review and time off and and

506
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:20,320
whatnot uh through
through time tracking and and what and

507
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:25,520
approving different things. So Mike is
here and this is our first note as our

508
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:31,119
revenue supervisor.
So we left the last meeting um

509
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:38,160
and provide got some further
clarification about the budget being a

510
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:43,760
key point in in this and dur ahead of
that meeting I provided you with some

511
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:49,440
information that overtime in totality
overtime paid to road department

512
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:56,560
employees is roughly4% of the road
department's budget

513
00:40:52,000 --> 00:41:01,200
and 09% of the county's overall budget.
Uh so the fiscal impact for from a road

514
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:05,520
department perspective if changes were
made and all the overtime was eliminated

515
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:10,560
would be
a fairly small piece of the pie if you

516
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:16,400
will.
So I also looked at

517
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:21,760
» just for one just one for clarification.
So I mean the 0809

518
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:25,359
I mean that seems like a really small
number. Give me a dollar amount rather

519
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,200
than a percentage.
>> If we were

520
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,960
» I mean tell me is that $100,000 is that
$50,000 or is that

521
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:38,880
» So the over put it in perspective
>> the overtime paid out is 37

522
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,960
for road department employees.
>> Okay.

523
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,960
» And I annually
>> but there's comp

524
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:48,000
» on average annually.
>> But then the comp time can you include

525
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:52,079
» but the but the fiscal impact is $37,000
annually. On average that's okay

526
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,400
average. [cough] and and [clears throat]
that was the number I was

527
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,960
» and
>> percentages can be

528
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:06,240
» and those hours can't all be eliminated
and 37 is paying time and so if you take

529
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:12,240
the halftime portion that's $12,000. So
12,000 is the max potential savings if

530
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,160
you eliminated 100% of all overtime
because you're we still work those

531
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:19,440
overtime hours in some way shape or
>> Okay. Okay. So, Tyler, I think though we

532
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:26,079
need to make sure we understand that the
public um we're not talking overtime

533
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:30,079
over 40. We're talking overtime explain
explain how your overtime because you do

534
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:33,119
overtime different in the summer versus
in the winter. So,

535
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,000
» we do not do overtime different in the
summer versus the winter.

536
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:40,079
» I thought you did um because you work
10our days of

537
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:45,359
» four. Sorry. Yes. Yes.
>> So, that's a work hour change. should

538
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:50,000
say not necessarily a overtime approval
change necessarily.

539
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,480
So typical
work week regularly scheduled work week

540
00:42:52,079 --> 00:43:00,640
for the road department is 7 to 3:30
with a half hour unpaid lunch. Overtime

541
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:05,760
is after eight hours in a workday.
The current employee handbook states

542
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:10,720
that all time off is counted as time
work except sick leave. So that's one of

543
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:16,480
the changes that will have to be made.
So that the employee handbook for all

544
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:21,440
county employees states that
per Iowa code comp time cannot be used

545
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:26,240
as time work. That's one of the
non-compliance things that's come to

546
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:30,319
light through this process that we
>> which I appreciate you

547
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:36,960
» have been doing have explained.
>> So yes, in the summer we have a 10-hour

548
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:42,720
we have in place a policy that the board
approved

549
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:49,200
I don't know 20 17 maybe a 10-hour day
workday policy in which we can implement

550
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:54,000
with two weeks notice a change to four
10-hour days with overtime after 10 in

551
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:56,880
those for those specific employees that
are on that schedule

552
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:00,800
» which theoretically save us money
because we don't have to

553
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:07,599
we don't have to we don't have to gear
up for them the next day you know

554
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:12,480
» yeah already on site it saves us money
>> plus travel time to and from work sites

555
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:16,079
efficiency gains was the intent with
that.

556
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:21,160
» Do you how much do you typically have
for overtime in the summer when you do

557
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,160
the 10 hours?

558
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,040
Do you have a lot working on Friday?
Guess what I'm asking? It' be very I

559
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:33,040
mean the bulk of our overtime on an
annual basis is incurred in the

560
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:38,079
you know rare instances 2015 probably
the last time we really incurred

561
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:44,560
substantial overtime due to flooding
when we were just trying to get drugs

562
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:50,240
paid drugs included tobacco but so
typical average

563
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:56,680
uh year is borrow times incurred between
the months of November and April May end

564
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,680
of Okay.

565
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
And and

566
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:10,319
yes, there is overtime on Fridays for a
variety of different reasons. Um

567
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:15,920
I still we've run analysis. I think in
2021 was probably the last time, you

568
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:20,480
know, after that policy of 10our days
have been in place for a while where we

569
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,960
look re-evaluated the efficiencies
there. Is this still making sense for us

570
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,880
as a department? uh and and it was at
that time

571
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:34,400
uh even though there are instances of
that um again for a variety of reasons

572
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:38,720
and we still get called out at 8:00 p.m.
you know, when after working a 10hour

573
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:44,000
day doesn't eliminate those and and and
that's a good point that the nature of

574
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:50,400
our work is not typically dictated by a
schedule or a schedule overtime even the

575
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:55,440
nature of our work is something that's
dictated outside of our control warrants

576
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:59,839
overtime. So whether that's a road
hazard, a weather event, whatnot, we

577
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:03,119
have very little control there. And I
think that's an important piece that's

578
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:09,760
defined in the code of federal
regulation that talks about the reason

579
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:15,680
some of these extra compensations. So
something like overtime after 8 is

580
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:21,280
provided to employees is because of the
disarrangement in their words of

581
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:27,440
personal time and personal watch or the
lack of notice provided to work those

582
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:35,440
overtime hours or to work hours in which
you were scheduled to have a day of rest

583
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:40,000
i.e. holidays or Saturdays and Sundays.
But I do think

584
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,880
» that we're saying
currently overtime over eight and it's

585
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,880
including vacation. That's not common. I
I want to say that overtime over eight

586
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:54,319
may be in the field and some what you're
doing but including vacation is a

587
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:56,480
premium. I do think that we need to make
sure and make that aware that's a

588
00:46:56,079 --> 00:47:01,040
premium.
>> So give us an example.

589
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:04,480
» Perfect. I have I have an example. So
it's actually an example is given in the

590
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:09,839
code of f federal regulation when
talking about working technicals.

591
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:15,359
» So overtime after a is
in the federal regulations as a

592
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:17,920
recognized and approved method of
compensation.

593
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,079
» Yes.
>> So here

594
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,599
» I think that's an important clarifying
point from the meeting we had back in

595
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:30,720
April when it was when there was some
panic around that being legal or not.

596
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,480
» Right. and and by the state too. I mean
you got you gota I mean is the state

597
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,960
follow those same rules.
>> So how important is that?

598
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,680
» Yep. Sorry. Yes. For the most part the
state of Iowa follows the Fair Labor

599
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,920
Standards Act
>> which is overtime over 40.

600
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,319
» Over time over
>> right you can be more

601
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:53,440
» right. Okay.
>> Uh um you can you can give over that.

602
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:57,040
That's being more generous. Right. But
standard is over 40.

603
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:03,359
» Okay.
There is a section of Iowa code specific

604
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:08,000
to state and local government employees
called application of fair labor

605
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:12,160
standards act for state and local
government employees.

606
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:15,839
Uh that's where it's defined that comp
time cannot be used as time work. So

607
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:21,599
that's where that okay
>> came from.

608
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Otherwise, Fair Labor Standards Act
warrants

609
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:30,520
overtime and work rules for for local.

610
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:40,079
However, there are and I've asked for
clarification from our HR attorney and

611
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:44,319
from ISAC
council

612
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:50,640
that there are sections of the code of
federal regulations. This is 29 CFR 778

613
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:57,280
defines
has sections that allow for overtime

614
00:48:53,839 --> 00:49:05,359
after 8. They also allow for holidays,
vacation, weekends to be counted as time

615
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:09,920
work or automatic overtime would be both
of those things. It also allows for many

616
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:13,920
other things that apply to other county
departments that don't necessarily apply

617
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,119
to the road department. And full
clarification here, I looked at that

618
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:20,640
code of federal regulation through the
lens of the road department only. Now,

619
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:25,760
did I come across things that apply to
other departments? Yes. My review was

620
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:31,440
simply pertinent to the road department.
They can speak for themselves uh

621
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:37,839
regarding specific issues.
So

622
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:43,599
yes, it also states that it has to be
written or unwritten contract, employee

623
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:50,160
agreement, policy or established
practice. So to my point earlier that we

624
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:55,760
had a handbook that defined then it was
taken out then I implemented a memo that

625
00:49:53,839 --> 00:50:02,000
we're going to retain that established
practice that was previously defined

626
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:07,599
with the intent of writing a policy. My
policy has not been effective because

627
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:12,319
this conversation started back in April
when I was planning to implement that

628
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:19,680
policy in March and I held off until
this discussion had worked itself out.

629
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:24,160
So to that point we are still legal
because we have that policy or

630
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:30,440
established practice in my opinion. That
is not a legal opinion. That's my

631
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:30,440
interpretation of what I read.

632
00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:39,920
So, so
>> I I would like to just Yeah.

633
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:44,480
» So, we have had uh legal counsel
uh employment

634
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:50,960
legal not to not to throw shade on our
county attorney uh but I mean it's

635
00:50:47,680 --> 00:51:00,559
employment laws is a specific kind of
law. So I just so we have had an opinion

636
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:08,400
from our u employment law consultation
that says yes this is a legal process

637
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:14,160
that we have for the overtime after a
>> and there is count time cannot be

638
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,559
counted as work hours.
I mean I would suggest to go back and

639
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:22,720
define what that is too for the public
so that everybody really understands

640
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:27,680
that that just means that count time
means you have to take other time off

641
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:32,720
you can't get paid for it right it
doesn't count for time if they choose to

642
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:37,599
» well
go ahead explain to explain to us

643
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:42,319
explain to how the comp
>> in lie of being paid at time and you can

644
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:47,920
acrew a bank of hours at time and so
it's a It's a benefit offered allowable

645
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:54,240
up to 240 hours per code of federal
regulation

646
00:51:49,760 --> 00:52:02,400
typically for public sector employees.
>> We we have dialed that back a little

647
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:09,079
bit. We h we as a department only allow
a comp time approval of 120 hours, not

648
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,079
240.

649
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:18,319
Okay. But but you can bank hours at a at
time and a half

650
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:22,319
for overtime hours work in lie of
payment

651
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:25,920
at time and a half.
>> And that is

652
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:31,760
» there's a section within the handbook
that the employee gets the choice

653
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:37,960
» to whether they do this or that with the
except for the road department. Other

654
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,960
departments handle that differently.

655
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:47,440
In order to separate the road department
out from our current handbook, then you

656
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:51,839
would have to write a policy.
>> I wrote a policy already because the

657
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:56,559
current [clears throat] handbook does
not define what

658
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:00,640
» overtime approval
and and use of comp time and and

659
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:05,040
different things. So it defines work
hours and which raises back what we

660
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:10,800
talked about and every department is
different. We're not we're not a factory

661
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:14,559
that runs eight hours a day move. You
know, everything's different. I would

662
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:17,119
like to go back and answer the question
about the legal opinion.

663
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:23,040
» Sure.
>> I don't know that there's been a formal

664
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:32,160
legal opinion. I have an email and
Alicia can speak to this August

665
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:37,680
from from our council HR council on
August 21st with some specific questions

666
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:41,760
that I had to know about.
Is overtime after eight hours a day

667
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:46,960
allowed? If an individual policy
allowing it, then it is allowed stating

668
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:51,200
some code of federal regulation. Can
vacation count as time work for

669
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:55,920
calculating the overtime?
If you have an individual policy

670
00:53:52,640 --> 00:54:02,079
allowing it, then it is allowed.
Same question for holidays. Same answer.

671
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,839
So, I didn't just take those answers and
say we're done. I investigated those

672
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,839
codes of federal regulation and how they
specifically would apply to the Maring

673
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:16,319
County Secondary Road Department.
I would like to give an example if you

674
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:24,160
have a few more minutes.
So the example given in 29 CFR 778

675
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:30,480
for uh calculating overtime for a
holiday in a work week

676
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:35,880
as time work or not as time work it gave
scenarios

677
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,880
and I actually I'll

678
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:43,599
be best to look at the second page I
want to hear the back side of

679
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:54,480
So the in this example the employee is
working a 40hour week five eight hour

680
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:59,920
days.
Uh

681
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:03,839
Tuesday is a holiday in that week. Okay.
And

682
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:10,559
they worked eight hours on Monday, nine
hours on Tuesday which was the hall. So

683
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:14,400
physically working 8 n 88 88 8 and then
they also worked a nine hour day on

684
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Saturday. Very typical example for the
roof.

685
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:23,280
We only get one holiday for Christmas.
Christmas lands on a Tuesday. We're

686
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:28,800
pushing snow on a Tuesday.
Snow's on a Friday night. We're pushing

687
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:32,400
snow on that Saturday. Okay. So very
very typical. And that's very typical

688
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:39,680
for multiple holidays for the road
department. Thanksgiving, Christmas, New

689
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:47,680
Year's, Veterans Day, Mday Day, any of
those are fair game for this instance.

690
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:54,160
If we apply the overtime after 8 rule,
so what our current practice status quo,

691
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:58,240
we would get nine hours of overtime pay
and the holiday pay of eight hours on

692
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:02,799
Tuesday. Additionally, we would get nine
hours for Saturday because the hand

693
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:06,440
previous defined Saturdays and Sundays
as as overtime.

694
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:16,720
If you apply
the basic code effect of f federal

695
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:23,440
regulation 29 CFR 778 refers to the act
as section 7A of the act of the fair

696
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:30,720
labor standards act which is overtime
after 40 hours of work as the required

697
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:34,559
minimum overtime payment.
The only overtime [clears throat] during

698
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:39,920
the work week would be one hour on
Friday because they worked

699
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:43,760
Monday through Friday and didn't hit
over 40 until Friday. So, one hour of

700
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:48,079
overtime paid on Friday and then all
nine on Saturday would then be overtime.

701
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:53,920
In this example, the work week begins on
a Monday. Current practice, u so you're

702
00:56:51,599 --> 00:57:00,720
all aware, Mary County Handbook defines
the work week beginning at 12:01 a.m. on

703
00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:04,880
Saturday morning. So, our work week is
Saturday 12:01 a.m. to Friday at

704
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,000
midnight.
There's been some discussion. I'm not

705
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:12,640
really going to get into that today, but
for an equal comparison in this example,

706
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:20,799
I use Monday 12:1 a.m. as the beginning
of the work week. So, in overtime after

707
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:24,880
40, there would be 10 hours of overtime
versus the overtime after 8, we would

708
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:30,559
have 18 hours of overtime, whether
that's taken as overtime pay or overtime

709
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:35,280
or comp comp time
also as proposed in June. So the policy

710
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:41,680
that amendment or excuse me the handbook
amendment section 4 that was brought

711
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:46,240
before this board June 23rd of 2026 said
overtime after 40 with holidays as time

712
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:51,920
work
not vacation holidays as time under that

713
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:58,400
scenario with the work week as stated
that would also yield 18 hours of time

714
00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:02,559
work. So now you may be asking well why
that's that's equal to what we're doing

715
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:06,720
now. Why am I so opposed to that? Well,
there are also policies and practices

716
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,920
that would have to be in place. So, as
we work through pros and cons of

717
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:16,000
overtime after 8 versus overtime after
40, there are pros and cons to each.

718
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:19,680
But with overtime after 40, there were
more cons regarding policies that we

719
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:24,000
would have to put into place on how to
administer

720
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:28,799
and regulate time off, time work,
regular hours. If some like in this

721
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:34,079
example, if on Thursday somebody hits
their overtime after 40, now we're going

722
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:38,559
to have to have a policy that says, "Do
you or do you not get time off on

723
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:43,280
Friday? Are you expected to return to
work?"

724
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:47,680
There are ways to work through that.
Though those are challenges that don't

725
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:53,440
exist under Overtime Act 8 that we would
have to work through. Is it impossible?

726
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:59,200
No. But I'd like to provide a little bit
more explanation.

727
00:58:55,599 --> 00:59:03,280
on this uh or insight of those scenarios
where let's say we worked on Christmas

728
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,920
pushing snow and then the following
Saturday.

729
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,880
» Before we leave this though, can I can I
>> Yep.

730
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:16,400
» Okay. So currently your second line
overtime over 40. But if the compromise

731
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:20,000
was to pay for holidays,
>> that's the last one.

732
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:27,280
» As proposed,
>> time over 40, but including

733
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:29,040
vacation and holiday.
>> What was proposed in June did not

734
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:33,359
include
>> No, no, no. I said if that was a

735
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:39,200
compromise, okay,
>> you would still read 18.

736
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:43,040
» That is correct.
But there are

737
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,359
policy and procedural challenges that
come from.

738
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:51,040
» I just think that we need to make sure
that we understand that there yes there

739
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:55,839
is policies there is procedural things
that change.

740
00:59:54,079 --> 01:00:02,480
Tyler and I have had this discussion and
I I will be frank. It it is really hard

741
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:07,839
when you're governing taxpayer dollars
and they're saying

742
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:14,720
I don't get overtime rate. Why do they
get it? I don't get the luxury of the 18

743
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:20,000
days of, you know, of sick leave or the
extra vacation, the comp time, the, you

744
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:24,240
know, the diapers, the all that. And
then when you come into this seat and

745
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:30,079
you look at it big picture, you're like,
"Oh my goodness, this is this is so

746
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:34,319
different in every it's like all
different silos, and you're supposed to

747
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:40,240
try to keep track of it."
And I I just I frankly I struggle with

748
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:45,119
that. I think part of the tangible
tangibleness of what was presented at

749
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:50,640
the last board meeting was that if this
is a budgetary discussion

750
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:55,920
and everyone goes to the same work hours
and overtime policies, it's actually

751
01:00:53,359 --> 01:01:02,319
going to cost the county money. Correct.
>> Okay. So, I think what we have to think

752
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:06,640
about is when you have law enforcement,
okay, they're going to be carved out.

753
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:13,839
Other than I do know that the sheriff's
department, jailers and and um dispatch

754
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:15,920
they are over um 40 with holidays and
vacation included.

755
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:21,319
» It's just the dispatch.
>> It's just the dispatch, not the jailers.

756
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:21,319
Okay. Sorry.

757
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:32,000
» They're under 171 over 28. Okay. Um and
then we have the rest of these. We have

758
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:39,680
I mean we have some that currently are
working 37 and a half and their overtime

759
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:44,160
is 37. We have some that are 40. We have
some that are eight.

760
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,680
» We have no control over.
>> No, we do on these six departments.

761
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:53,520
» Oh, okay.
>> Yeah. Just in ours. Just in ours, we

762
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:58,839
have two that are over 40, two that are
over 37 and a half, and two that are

763
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,839
over eight.

764
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:10,160
Regardless, I think what my point was
was that leaving that meeting, it it's

765
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:16,640
hard for me and hard for my employees to
grasp

766
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:20,400
this is a fiscal issue when when I state
those numbers of potential savings for

767
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:26,000
the road department and ultimately for
the county as as a whole, but other

768
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:32,000
departments going to the same policies
will cost more So cumulatively

769
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:37,920
» that doesn't make sense. So why make the
change when it implements other

770
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:43,040
challenges and the b the benefits
they're getting? I'm going to explain a

771
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:48,559
little bit more here if you like. But
that I think

772
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:52,960
one point that I I would tell you that
is also a consideration for me is it's

773
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:58,480
not all about the money. It's not all
about pennies times. Some of it is just

774
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:02,640
a matter of being consistent fair across
all departments. Make sure everybody is

775
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:07,119
treated as
>> equable equally as we can. You can't

776
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:11,440
have them all identical. I recognize
that everybody's doing a different job.

777
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:16,319
» And I think one of my next points will
>> but I think you have to also make sure

778
01:03:14,799 --> 01:03:21,359
that
one department isn't and I'm not

779
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:24,079
suggesting you are. I'm just saying we
have to look objectively each

780
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:29,039
department. to make sure that each
department is being treated fairly for

781
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:34,480
the work that they do and the
environment that they work in. They

782
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:39,680
don't have to be identical. Fair is not
identical.

783
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:43,599
So that being said is it's not all about
nickels and dimes. I want to make sure

784
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,000
that we're treating everybody whether
I'm in the auditor's office or the

785
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:52,240
treasurer's office or the road
department. Everybody feels like, yeah,

786
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:55,920
you know what? I'm in great shape here.
That's what I'm at.

787
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:59,520
» So So I'm I'm I'm hearing that we're
we're not looking at a one policy cover

788
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:05,200
all
>> if it doesn't fit. No.

789
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,720
If it can't work, I don't.
And again, anybody who's watched other

790
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:11,920
people in there to Kisha's point earlier
on,

791
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:16,400
» the way the open meetings law, we've
never had this discussion. So we're up

792
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:21,440
here throwing stuff out that
>> that's what's hard about this job and I

793
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:25,680
find so frustrating. I am so
oldfashioned, Jim. If I got a problem

794
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:29,359
with somebody,
I walk up to them and look in the face

795
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:32,880
and I ask. We can't do that without
breaking the law.

796
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:37,920
» I agree.
>> And I want to make sure that the public

797
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:42,960
understands where we're we're going from
this, too. Because again, I go big

798
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:49,200
picture and I know that Tyler and I I
have had our disagreements in the aspect

799
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:56,160
of when you got 40% of your workforce in
the county as um you know and they're

800
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:01,520
looking at overtime over 40 and not
including vacation and sick leave. It

801
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:06,079
makes or not sick, sorry, holidays and
vacation.

802
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:11,599
We do have a premium and I I you know
and I'm assuming Tyler's gonna say it is

803
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:17,440
a premium. Okay, I get it that not all
departments are going to be the same

804
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:22,079
meaning from this department to what
somebody you know sort of Henworthy did,

805
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:26,240
you know, right? Um I just think while
they're trying to fix

806
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:33,359
» well because here here in lies the
situation. We have these 30 employees

807
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:39,599
that I felt like, oh, now what are we
going to do with them from exempt to

808
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:44,960
non-exempt? And this is what opened up.
Um,

809
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:50,720
I struggle with all the differences. I
do I struggle with all the different

810
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:56,319
silos and it's uh don't touch my silo.
Don't touch me. This is what I've done.

811
01:05:53,440 --> 01:06:01,520
And I think that we need to be looking
at big picture and I said this to Tyler

812
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:05,599
and I would say this, you know, again,
I'm saying this in an open meeting. If

813
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,920
it's not that much of an impact, what's
the big deal? What's the big deal in the

814
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:12,640
change?
>> Well, I still have a really important

815
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:17,359
thing. Why don't
in your thought

816
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:23,440
that I
unless you want to jump at

817
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:28,160
» But yeah, I have a very important that I
really would appreciate.

818
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:33,520
» Okay. So, um, as the only other
department that you all control that is

819
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:37,599
overtime after 8, Tyler and I are lost
out of this. Okay. It's important. Do

820
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:42,160
you guys understand that hearing from
the other side of overtime after 8?

821
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:47,599
Yeah. At least the big pie is a lot
smaller than his. So, we're somewhere

822
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:53,280
around 13,000 in total overtime. We
average three call outs a week all year

823
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:57,920
long. That's while my people, my two
guys are at home with their families.

824
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:04,799
That's while it's holidays, that's on
weekends. So, knowing that we are

825
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:08,720
following federal statute minus the comp
timing,

826
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:14,319
I'm 100% fine of changing that aspect of
it. And I would encourage the board. I

827
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:17,680
understand because as a department head,
I hear people say things to, "Well, it

828
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:22,000
seems like you guys had it really,
really good."

829
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:26,079
I always win that argument. Believe it
or not, I have never lost the argument

830
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:31,839
when someone approaches me with either
what we make or how good our benefits

831
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:35,599
are. Because every time we have to go
back and compare like to like. This is

832
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,680
not apples to pairs. This is like to
like. I understand that let's say 40% of

833
01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:45,119
our workforce in Marian County is
overtime after eight. 40%

834
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:49,599
» 40 or sorry, overtime after 40.
>> Yeah, you're fine. Yep. That group of

835
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:52,000
people doesn't get called in unscheduled
an average three times a week. They

836
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,920
don't
>> on their behalf though. They are called

837
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:59,760
in maybe that Thursday they're told
they're showing up for overtime the next

838
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:03,200
day and there's no or Saturday without
>> that is that is an exception not the

839
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,280
rule
>> and that I do know that they have

840
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,359
» it does happen. That is an exception not
the rule. So my encouragement to the

841
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:16,159
board is compare like to like because I
hear it on wages too. It's been brought

842
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:21,279
up both within county and out of county
how well my people are compensated. I

843
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:27,520
would encourage anyone to find someone
like in the county that would be jealous

844
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:34,159
of what my guys make because you won't.
My son is a first year first year

845
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:37,440
journeyman and makes more than I do.
First year

846
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:41,600
» and but we know that how many hours he
puts in too, right? I mean a journeyman

847
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:46,159
does. He puts in an hour. I bet he
doesn't put more hours than I do in

848
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,520
and this is not coming from a place of
complaining about wages because this

849
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,359
board will ask, "You've never heard a
complaint about wage without my

850
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:57,440
department." Not me, not any of my
people. We're totally satisfied because

851
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:04,159
the reason we do government service is
the key word service.

852
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:07,920
We don't do this job just because it's a
job. We do this because we care about

853
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:12,719
our communities. We care about our
taxpayers. we are taxpayers and we want

854
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:16,400
what's best for our local government. So
I think that's an important distinction

855
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:19,679
to make that every single county
employee [clears throat] that I'm aware

856
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:24,159
of comes to work because there's a
service aspect of giving back to their

857
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:28,960
community that matters. So what we're
asking in return is let's compare like

858
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:34,080
to like when my guys leave. The reason
I'm in favor of overtime after 8 with

859
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:38,880
the removal of comp time, which I'm 100%
for, because federal law dictates it, is

860
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:42,880
when they leave their families because I
gave them 15 minutes because the jail

861
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:49,600
had another issue or another air handler
is down or there's an electrical outage,

862
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:53,520
that should come with a premium. So, I'm
I'm open to say it is premium.

863
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:58,120
Absolutely. And it should be because
everyone else in the trades gets that

864
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,120
safe.

865
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:10,159
That's where I'm at. So,
>> yeah, I I can't argue that. I also look

866
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:15,600
at it as um
calculating the payroll and getting all

867
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:20,960
that information and managing it and
getting it to Jake's office in order to

868
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:27,120
make the payrolls and everything. And I,
you know, I would just propose or

869
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:34,560
suggest that we as a group or we as a
county also look at a pain management

870
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:39,679
system that gets us off of, you know,
doing time cards, time sheets and

871
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:45,920
submitting stuff that I mean the
environment I came from, you know, yes,

872
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:51,280
the department heads and managers would
get a rolled up calendar look at it and

873
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:55,600
see what hours worked, hours in, hours
out, whether they were on an hourly or

874
01:10:53,199 --> 01:11:01,120
whether they were exempt. Uh, and then
they would approve or disapprove work

875
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:06,320
with the employee on Yeah, it's a And in
doing so, it sets us up in a situation

876
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:11,679
where yeah, you may not call it overtime
after eight, but we called it a

877
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:16,480
differential rate or a call out rate or
something that said exactly to your

878
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:21,600
point is, okay, I've already worked my
eight hours. I only had half an hour at

879
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:25,920
home with my family and I got called in.
That would be a call out rate, which

880
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:28,080
it's not overtime, but it's a call out.
You know what I mean?

881
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:32,800
» And we actually do that now a little
bit. So my department, they get two

882
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:38,239
hours for a call out. I do not count
that two hours as OT for clarification.

883
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:43,199
So what I count is their phys to the
jail and it takes an hour. They get one

884
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:47,520
hour of o overtime and then they get two
hours of straight time. And and let me

885
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:52,800
clarify too is my my intention here is
not to cut overtime for the sake of

886
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:58,159
cutting overtime because we all know
with the new tax laws. I don't want to

887
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:01,840
define things not as overtime simply to
make sure that it's taxable to the

888
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,760
federal government because I don't want
to put anybody in that kind of a

889
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:10,719
situation either. I'm just suggesting
that we're we're trying to look at it in

890
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:15,199
a way that again is simplifying the
process but still making sure that we

891
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:19,840
take care of the employees in the face
that set them uh in a way that yeah they

892
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:24,080
are being compensated fairly and
appropriately for the work that they do

893
01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:28,640
in the time that they're doing. So
Chris, I just for clarification, so if

894
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:32,560
they have a call out and it's takes them
an hour, but you give them two hours, do

895
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:37,280
you pay them overtime or straight?
>> Pay them overtime only for the time

896
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:40,320
work. So let's say so we have a twohour
minimum that they're getting paid for.

897
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:46,800
If that took one hour, that's one hour
of overtime, one hour of straight time.

898
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:52,000
» Okay.
there there is some code of federal

899
01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:57,440
regulation specific to call out pay um
that will likely impact how we currently

900
01:12:54,880 --> 01:13:02,560
do it. So when I talk the two things
that were the non-compliance issues that

901
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:09,199
I mentioned very early on would be the
comp time worked and how call out pay is

902
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:13,760
it's really on the payroll side we have
to change how we're paying it depending

903
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:18,640
whether they actually work let's say
they get a minimum of two but they only

904
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:25,199
work one that's recorded differently
unless they from if they worked two or

905
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:29,760
half hour
That's different because the time that

906
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:34,000
they're getting paid for that they don't
work is treated differently than the

907
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:38,880
time they work in that call period per
code of regulation.

908
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:42,800
So I think the county would need to be
on board the code of regulation

909
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,360
regardless of how departments handle
call.

910
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:50,080
» Yes. I I think that's
>> I think that there's so many differences

911
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:53,760
that I also at the end of the day we
need as a board need to think about

912
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:59,120
» some departments you know are going to
be like well I want to have that too

913
01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:04,400
right so when looking at the budget
overall it may come to a point that we

914
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:11,120
may say you got to look at your overtime
right you know and um I guess as a as it

915
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:14,800
a budget time we need to know more about
how much money you are spending in your

916
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,520
overtime what you have aotted in your
budget for that

917
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:23,920
» I have
on typically use 38% of that

918
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:27,199
which 37 and change that I gave you
earlier

919
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:34,080
and half
>> um

920
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:38,400
» so limiting overs like Chris is
way easier said than done

921
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:42,000
» my point earlier about the nature of our
work is dictated by things that are out

922
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:46,560
of our control
>> and I think Chris's point about

923
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:52,880
providing public service. The sacrifice
so far because we provide public service

924
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:56,960
and that's part of our
part of the way that our policies are

925
01:14:54,719 --> 01:15:03,920
set up make it so we don't have a
problem with employees showing up in

926
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,440
those difficult crazy hours and
oftentimes very repetitive crazy hours.

927
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:15,040
I think that part of my point that I
wanted to make earlier about

928
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:21,280
if Christmas is on that Tuesday, you
know, we're reporting to work on that

929
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:26,400
Tuesday. Yes, we get paid eight hours,
but we and we also get overtime. Well,

930
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:33,440
then we're going to look at Saturday,
too. So, in in Christmas, and Chris is

931
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:37,360
probably similar stays.
>> They they lost the benefit of the

932
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,920
holiday. Yeah. they got picked. You
know, they lost the benefit of what a

933
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:47,600
holiday is. It's a time of rest. And I
think CO better regulation defines that

934
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,600
weekends and holidays as times of reps
intentionally.

935
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:58,880
We lose that. We lose time. So if you
look at this in a net personal time

936
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:03,920
overtime after 40 in that scenario I
gave you is a net negative -3 hours of

937
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:08,960
personal time lost by these employees
provided public service. Under our

938
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:16,880
current practice they would net nine
hours of personal time through comp time

939
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:22,560
or through payment o of overtime. But
that's the benefit to them for

940
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:27,679
disarranging their life being called in
at 11 p.m. on Christmas Eve to come work

941
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:32,719
on Christmas because the weatherman
didn't get a ride

942
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:39,360
and now we're here so everybody else can
get to Christmas and now we're reporting

943
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:42,880
to work six days later. House employee
doesn't have that opportunity. Got their

944
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:46,719
holiday reported four times.
>> Let me ask you this and again I'm I'm

945
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:52,480
asking only because they don't know So
who manages the call outs

946
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:58,719
» in my department? Largely Mike McMurray
the road manage super.

947
01:16:53,760 --> 01:17:04,719
» Okay. I mean I've again question because
past history I mean there are occasions

948
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:08,960
where people can manage people can
manage and I'm not suggesting we are

949
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:15,840
please don't misunderstand my question.
My only comment is we just need separate

950
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:20,000
those so that there is a clear line of
distinction between you know who who has

951
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,719
the authority to do that.
>> I manage the overtime in my department

952
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:31,040
and I would happily tell you that
neither one of my guys are ecstatic when

953
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:33,040
I call at night or 2 o'clock in the
morning and say, "Hey, I need to go to

954
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:37,360
the jail."
>> Yeah. I I

955
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,520
» and and
>> I have to ask that question. Absolutely.

956
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:45,360
Good question.
>> Snow removal is actually in part

957
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:49,440
dictated by the snow and removal
ordinance that the county have in

958
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:53,600
effect. Our work hours are dictated
somewhat by that ordinance. And Mike

959
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:58,320
works within the confines of that. And
generally

960
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:04,239
I I trust Mike 100% with his judgment.
>> So do I. days. We still have many

961
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:08,800
conversations throughout the banner and
many of those are at 11 p.m. when he's

962
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:12,719
going to be calling these guys at 2 a.m.
and we're trying to make a decision or

963
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:15,760
he's letting know what his decision is,
which I trust.

964
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,920
» Believe me, Jim, I know what it's all
about.

965
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:21,360
» I'm sure you do.
>> I'm sure you can give me an education.

966
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,800
We haven't been able to sit down and
have that talk.

967
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,320
» It looks like Jason
behind you,

968
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:33,360
» Tyler. The guy behind you with a gun
wants to say just two seconds on it. I

969
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:36,480
and I do realize that no matter where
the overtime is in different

970
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:40,400
departments, whether it be at the
courthouse, whether it be here,

971
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:45,199
different places, I mean, my what I just
would encourage is the leaders of those

972
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:49,760
areas, just listen to them. I mean,
where it is because everybody, the

973
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:52,400
public service side, I know people don't
want to be called out. We have it all

974
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:56,159
the time. We're our guys. I mean,
whether it be overtime or different

975
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,520
things. Society's changed. I mean,
there's a lot of people that I mean,

976
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:04,080
will give up to to have that time at
home with their families versus getting

977
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:08,239
the extra pay or what, but just please
listen to them. I mean, that's all I

978
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:12,320
want to add to it is and and and I know
the fairness side of this came up in my

979
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:16,320
14 years at chair. I mean, but there's
times that different positions, that's

980
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:18,960
where you have to listen to. I mean, if
he's making that decision to call

981
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:22,880
somebody out, he's doing it for a
reason. If Tyler is, they're doing it

982
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:26,960
for a reason. They're not to screw over
another department or to hurt another

983
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:31,760
department or to say, "Hey, we're better
than other department. They're just

984
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:35,120
trying to provide a public service."
>> In every decision that I make, I know

985
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,800
some other department heads are in the
same with accountability to the

986
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:45,440
taxpayer. I know guarantees too.
>> Yes. But I also know I also know that

987
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:48,800
when I make those calls or Mike makes
those calls,

988
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:53,040
every hand in this aisle is going to go
up when it's Christmas Day and we got to

989
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:57,520
go push up because they understand that
responsibility of public service that

990
01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,080
they signed up for. But they also
understand that we're going to get a

991
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:06,400
benefit for disarranging our life,
upsetting our personal time, losing it

992
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:11,280
entirely. You can't always get that
back.

993
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:16,960
And nobody's calling my phone and saying
you're working too many hours.

994
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:22,960
» In fact, it's very much of the opposite.
>> So, I'm gonna say this because I think

995
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:29,920
it's important that when time comes and
if it does and we're looking at because

996
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:35,360
of the 2% cap that we may have to have a
discussion on overtime and it may affect

997
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:39,600
the citizens
because why? Because there at the end of

998
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:43,440
the day, we only have so much money.
>> It may affect the laws of sweet.

999
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:47,600
» Exactly. And that's what I think that
people need to understand that no

1000
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,000
difference than when we were talking
about humane society is that we have to

1001
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:55,679
look at the contracts whether it's the
library. We have to look at we have to

1002
01:20:53,760 --> 01:21:02,400
look at all this. It doesn't make our
job any easier. But I think that I also

1003
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:06,080
don't want to have um oh gosh, they're
doing it so I'm going to do it. And then

1004
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:10,960
all of a sudden we're creating this m
mon montrocity of overtime because we

1005
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:16,719
can because we've all done our own thing
and that's hard too. And so when we look

1006
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:22,159
at big picture it makes it when when I
have in my own six and then we have all

1007
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:26,000
the others there's like 17 departments
just so the public knows there's 17

1008
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:30,800
different departments in county
government and they may all have their

1009
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:35,440
own policy. What? Just a quick question
in regards to that. Do we know what

1010
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:40,159
other counties spend on overtime rate at
the road departments? Do we know? I

1011
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:44,000
mean, way, way low. I mean, maybe you go
to a county west of us, north of us,

1012
01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:46,960
east of us, and they're spending 100,000
in [clears throat] overtime on different

1013
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:50,880
things. I mean, those are the things.
And I understand what you're saying as

1014
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,800
supervisors on that budgetary side of
it, but sometimes I don't know if we

1015
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:58,159
look at the big picture of where it is
everywhere else around us. And these

1016
01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:00,800
guys might be doing a fabulous job on
keeping it at 39.

1017
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,920
» Everybody else is going to taste it if
you can't afford it.

1018
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:08,639
» I I I understand, but I mean there's
areas that I mean we had discussions.

1019
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:11,600
» Yeah, we we've had areas of discussion
on on where to cut and different things.

1020
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,199
That's a whole another discussion.
>> When I wor when I worked I didn't want

1021
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:19,040
to work all the time, but when I was
called I came.

1022
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:22,560
» Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, wait. I don't think
anybody's going to abuse.

1023
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:25,920
» Got to bring up something though because
we're having a work session and I think

1024
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:30,400
it's important to talk about it. Let's
talk about it.

1025
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:35,600
They're called out. What is their
overtime?

1026
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:40,480
» Most time we I now talk with my employee
comp time. I've already done overtime

1027
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:45,520
between previous employee and employee I
have now. So, what do you do for when

1028
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:49,840
you call out like midnight, server's
down, sheriff can't be down?

1029
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:56,159
» Usually, most times it's me who gets
called out for that that type of stuff.

1030
01:22:52,239 --> 01:23:03,840
But if it's something like um a deputy
calls, usually it's like every half an

1031
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:06,480
hour at cop time that after like 31
that's another half an hour. So,

1032
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,679
» but your salary?
>> Yeah.

1033
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,480
» So, you're doing that for
>> under your salary? You're not doing it

1034
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,679
for extra comp.
>> No.

1035
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,480
» Okay.
>> But I think

1036
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,280
» No, I just I just think that the board
needs to think of those things.

1037
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:22,560
» But I but I also think we can't get away
from the times that I mean I can tell

1038
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:27,040
you this in my office. There's many
times deputies stay after. I mean and

1039
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:31,920
and they they get to the point that
they're giving hours far far more than

1040
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:37,040
taking. So at some point if if it
becomes so strict on whatever it is on

1041
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,360
if it's whatever the policies if there's
no leeway ever in county government or

1042
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:47,679
whatever it's going to cost more
>> Jason that's not my my that's my point

1043
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:51,679
I'm just thinking of your just said what
you're supportive so I'm just saying I

1044
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:56,000
think that what we have to be mindful of
>> I'm supportive of it too but

1045
01:23:54,320 --> 01:24:00,320
» I'm supportive of your office too
>> but what I'm saying is it can cost far

1046
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:04,719
more when when when you start getting to
places on it, it can cost far more. I

1047
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:09,040
mean, we're at 171. I won't even get to
the sheriff's office, but but getting

1048
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:11,920
you you give up. We're giving up those
11 hours.

1049
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:15,440
» So, all of a sudden, you get to the
point or whatever where where you no

1050
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,800
longer have that flexibility on
different things and it's going to and

1051
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:24,000
you now have a sheriff's office with
that's high going to be far far more on

1052
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:27,679
overtime rates or different things too
when that discussion comes into play.

1053
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:32,080
So, you just have to balance that whole
side of things. You know what? At at the

1054
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:36,800
end of the day, I bring it up because I
want people to know that there are Drews

1055
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:41,600
out there saying a word.
>> He's not He's not saying a word. And I

1056
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:46,239
appreciate that. And I know that he's
doing it because he's doing his service.

1057
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:51,600
And I appreciate that. Um I do think
though that we have some that will be

1058
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:56,719
Tyler, I appreciate you going to bat for
your for, you know, your team. Okay. And

1059
01:24:54,320 --> 01:25:00,239
that's important just as Chris did.
Okay. just as you are.

1060
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:05,600
» I'm going about I'm going to bat for all
counting points. I mean that that's what

1061
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:09,520
I'm truly trying to to say here is is no
matter if it's Drew or whoever it is and

1062
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:13,920
there's different times.
>> Yeah. I mean that that you have to I

1063
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:18,159
mean if somebody calls somebody Jake
during election years if his people are

1064
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:24,880
going above and beyond which they are
numerous times how do we make that fair

1065
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:28,239
and that's there's a difference
but you have to trust the electeds or

1066
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:34,719
those people to do that
>> it's pretty hard to be equitable with a

1067
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:37,280
division of the services that are
provided

1068
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:41,280
» and I don't think anybody's intention is
to screw it down so tight so that the

1069
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:44,960
department don't have some flexibility
how to manage their reporting needs to

1070
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:49,040
do those things. I think at least from
my perspective I have two goals here.

1071
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:53,600
Number one uh make sure that we're
legal, make sure that we're doing things

1072
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:59,199
that meet the smell test from the state
and federal government because I really

1073
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:02,639
don't get uh don't uh uh enjoy getting
subpoenas and those kind of things or

1074
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:06,400
threatened by the government that we're
doing something wrong. That's number

1075
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:11,360
one. And number two is I don't
understand how this that process works

1076
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:15,600
for the department.
And you know what? That's what we're

1077
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:19,840
here for is if a constituent comes up to
me and says, "I've heard these things on

1078
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:24,320
how the sheriff's department is paid or
the road department or the maintenance

1079
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:29,280
department and I disagree with it. What
do you think?" I sure as hell better

1080
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:34,560
know what to think because I don't know.
I mean, right? It falls on us and we're

1081
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:39,040
we're elected just as those other
elected departments.

1082
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:41,760
» Oh yeah.
>> And shruging my shoulders and saying I

1083
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:48,800
don't know.
>> I let them do whatever. I'm um back to

1084
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:56,239
what you were talking about software um
for doing. Yep. I think that is

1085
01:26:52,159 --> 01:27:01,760
important especially with
>> and it's ending in 28 but doesn't mean

1086
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:05,040
that overtime isn't going to happen. Um
Tyler, how much time do you guys spend

1087
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:09,840
on tracking overtime?
>> Not over time tracking time sheets.

1088
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:14,719
» D I mean Mike has to drive around to
pick up paper time cards

1089
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:19,120
» from all the shops. He reviews them.
Brian reviews them. I mean hours every

1090
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:23,520
other week.
>> I I'm involved. Tammy, Brian, Mike, and

1091
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:28,000
Mike.
>> This is so that everybody understands

1092
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:34,880
perspective. This is the first anybody
has talked about this publicly. Jake has

1093
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:39,520
got a scared look on this.
>> But also, I mean, those are some of the

1094
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:42,560
things where I clearly come from the
private sector and we try to build

1095
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:46,800
efficiency in doing some of those
things. And that's all my suggestion is

1096
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:50,239
is we're trying to build accuracy and
efficiency for that process.

1097
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:54,159
» Yeah. the trade management.
>> Yeah. No, I know. I recognize that, but

1098
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:57,760
there's certain things that can't be
>> and just making sure that in under

1099
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:02,239
compliance. I mean, there are things
that I mean, we can key in things wrong.

1100
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:06,880
I mean, not that we do, but I mean, I do
think that it would help with the

1101
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:11,920
process and it it's a time reference. I
do think so. If Mike's not doing that,

1102
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:14,239
taking how muchever time it takes, you
know, he could work on another project.

1103
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,600
Correct.
>> Right.

1104
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:19,199
» Correct. Okay.
>> Two quick points. Over the last couple

1105
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:23,679
years, I've researched a lot of those
softwares and they are capable of doing

1106
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:31,600
really whatever you wanted to do with
county department crew and individual

1107
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:36,880
personnel level policies for whatever
whether it's overtime, regular hours

1108
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:41,760
very they a good version of those
softwares is very capable of really

1109
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:46,560
tailoring to the needs and some are very
specific to local governments. My other

1110
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:51,920
point is I hope when we get into the
discussions about in-depth discussions

1111
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:56,800
about budgets moving forward, I hope the
road department still gets credits for a

1112
01:28:54,639 --> 01:29:02,800
proactive approach of reducing our
full-time employees by two at the

1113
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:07,679
supervisory level
that we've dealt with which has resulted

1114
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:12,480
in some more overtime for certain
personnel because of that reduction in

1115
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:17,199
full-time staff. I hope we get credit
for that because I proactively took a

1116
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:24,000
look at our budget in our incoming
revenues, not including House File 718

1117
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:28,159
or Senate File 2472,
not looking at restrictions imposed by

1118
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:34,400
the state legislator,
just looking at revenues coming in as

1119
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:40,000
property tax and secondary or excuse me,
road use tax. I un understood

1120
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:43,199
difficult times were coming because
those revenues coming into the road

1121
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:46,800
department were not keeping up with
inflation and we needed to make tangible

1122
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:52,560
changes and we've done it across the
board including sacrificing in our

1123
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:57,120
personnel line item already. I hope we
get credit for that

1124
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:59,120
when looking at things moving forward
which [clears throat] resulted in more

1125
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:03,120
overtime
>> and yes I agree and I but I also would

1126
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:07,040
think that all departments are looking
at that.

1127
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:11,440
» I think we all have to look at how we're
going to be more efficient. It's you

1128
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:15,199
know that's just what part of management
is is being more efficient. No different

1129
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:19,199
than us. We're just looking. We're
wanting to talk about this again about

1130
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,639
any public feeding. Making sure
efficiencies.

1131
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:27,639
» I think we said something. Did you have
something you wanted to say? I

1132
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,639
» want to say that um

1133
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:35,600
» I just want to say that I have been
looking at uh software for the whole

1134
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:40,080
county and I'm confident that we can
find something out there that that's

1135
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:46,080
within our budget. Um it takes longer
than um I've anticipated to get some

1136
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:53,600
quotes. Um, I've had ask for some. Um,
I'm looking at one. Um, I think Neo gov

1137
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:56,480
uh was one that we looked at, wasn't it?
>> Yep.

1138
01:30:54,239 --> 01:31:00,159
» Um, of course you can have the Taj Mahal
and you can have all of it, which I

1139
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:05,600
would love, but um, a small portion of
it. I think it's something that the

1140
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:11,120
county will need to look at and it's
affordable and I think that it would

1141
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,920
save a lot of time and then also make
sure that we calculate everything

1142
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,440
correctly.
>> That is

1143
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:22,639
» I think that's important.
>> Yes. Making sure that due to not Yeah.

1144
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:25,040
stacking, filing, whatever you want.
>> I didn't say that. Nope. Nope. I I

1145
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,280
didn't
>> No, you said we're saying that we're

1146
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:33,840
doing it. It's just we're human and if
we can have the system to make sure that

1147
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:36,639
we're not doing it, it just safeguards
us.

1148
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:41,679
» I remember when I started county, we
didn't have computers.

1149
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:46,703
» We didn't have cell phones either. We
didn't have internet.

1150
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:46,703
» Did we have bars then? [laughter]

1151
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:52,880
» Okay.
>> I will have a I will have quotes for you

1152
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:57,920
at some point. It's just not going to be
immediately. Um it is time consuming.

1153
01:31:55,679 --> 01:32:01,760
And I have one vendor that's out that I
really want to quote from. Uh so I won't

1154
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:04,880
have anything until the middle of
September.

1155
01:32:03,199 --> 01:32:09,120
» Okay.
>> Appreciate that.

1156
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:14,639
» I have one final thought for
and it's a good one. Okay. We may be at

1157
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:20,159
disagreement on this, but I think I can
speak for every single county employee

1158
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:25,199
and every department head
almost eight years. The one thing I've

1159
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:31,520
everybody is willing to come to the
what's best for the taxpayer. Everybody.

1160
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:36,800
We are going to disagree on small things
which I think from a budgetary

1161
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:40,880
standpoint it is a small portion but an
important portion to consider. The

1162
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:46,480
overtime aspect of it. I don't want to
minimize a dollar let alone between both

1163
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:51,920
of our eight hour overtime pay
departments roughly 47 to 48,000. Right?

1164
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,120
I don't want to minimize that. That's a
lot of money.

1165
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:58,400
» We're all willing to come to the table
and have conversations.

1166
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:01,360
» No, I know. And I appreciate I really
do.

1167
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:04,320
» We appreciate that the poor also take
seriously.

1168
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:06,880
» And if we allis
that would be boring.

1169
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:10,239
» It would be extremely boring.
>> I mean, that's the truth. I mean, we

1170
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,719
should be able to sit here and have
conversation and not be like, "Okay,

1171
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,320
yep." You know,
>> and I made that statement, right? for

1172
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:22,000
the benefit of the public to understand
that we may have our disagreements on

1173
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:26,560
things like this, but as a whole, I I've
been around a as a former military man,

1174
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:30,000
I've been around a lot of government,
and I've been around a lot of private

1175
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:34,719
sector, which is most of my life. I
would say that as a whole, this place

1176
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:40,560
works more efficiently than most private
sector businesses I've been in

1177
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:43,920
management in in a long time. So, I I
think we're on the right track. I like

1178
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:46,960
the fact that we had communication
today. So, I appreciate that and we look

1179
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:49,840
forward to having more communication as
we start talking about budgets. So,

1180
01:33:49,199 --> 01:33:53,679
thank you for that.
>> You know, Chris, it's really hard making

1181
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:58,560
decisions on
if even if you agree with somebody.

1182
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:03,040
I want to make that decision, but
sometimes the checkbook don't let you.

1183
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:06,480
» Absolutely.
>> That's the hard part.

1184
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:12,000
Okay.
>> So, it's now back to us board. I feel

1185
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:17,360
that it's important. Um
if you go to your packet

1186
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:23,280
in your packet we have what is the
current um policy and then what was

1187
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:30,320
proposed.
Um I'm the proposal was just changing a

1188
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:35,840
couple of words which but did impact
greatly when it come to uh overtime

1189
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:40,320
because David
did not

1190
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:45,280
Uh, [clears throat]
I need to know where we're going from.

1191
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:51,120
Are we
putting this on the agenda for the end

1192
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:58,800
of the month uh to make that decision?
Do you even want an agenda item? Do you

1193
01:34:53,760 --> 01:35:04,080
want to leave it as current and not?
And know that come budget time, we're

1194
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,600
probably going to have to talk to each
department a little bit more about in

1195
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,600
depth. about their overtime

1196
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:25,920
or do you want to just have the agenda
item and we'll think on it and then

1197
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:29,120
we'll make a decision there. I just I
want to know whether we want the agenda

1198
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:36,120
item or not. That's kind of where I'm
with and that's why I brought it in as a

1199
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:36,120
» my personal opinion.

1200
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:44,000
I don't want to. I like I said, why why
why fix it if it ain't broke? I I just

1201
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:48,480
assume leave it the way and I'm not
saying what what what are you calling

1202
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:52,400
the current?
>> Uh the current is we'd have to change

1203
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:56,400
some verbiage. I think there's an update
in there. It talks about comp and that

1204
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:02,159
has to be removed um because
compensation can't be considered. Um and

1205
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:06,800
that's uh so there would be some sort of
update but it would not be significantly

1206
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:11,840
updating it to what was proposed in
June.

1207
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:18,080
I would put it on the agenda
in 30 days give us an opportunity to

1208
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:22,560
digest this a little bit further. Uh but
I also don't think we want to ignore it

1209
01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:28,000
especially after a hour long work
session here. um that we need to

1210
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:34,400
consciously make the decision to either
maintain where we are today or make a

1211
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:40,480
change. So I think it does warrant us
having it on the agenda for a vote

1212
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:45,119
changes. We've looked at it, we've
investigated it, and this is what we

1213
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:48,560
want to stay with or we've looked at it.
We've investigated it and these are the

1214
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:53,280
changes that we're going to make.
However it is presented is doesn't

1215
01:36:51,040 --> 01:37:01,360
matter to me. But I think it's important
for us to make a uh a

1216
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:06,000
communicated and a thoughtful vote on
whether we maintain it or we change

1217
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:12,639
» and not just ignore it.
>> Okay. So the next meeting is the 22nd.

1218
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:17,360
Um we give the 90 days on the 23rd for
kind of how our ruling. Are you wanting

1219
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:21,280
to do that in two weeks? Um are you but
because the next meeting because of the

1220
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:28,159
way the land's going to be till October
13th

1221
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:34,320
» is that going to affect any
timing things or anything?

1222
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:40,400
» Not really. I mean it's just
I'm just a rule follower. I'm just I

1223
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:44,159
said 90 days so I like to follow. Well,
I'm I'm leaning towards Kyler and

1224
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:48,960
Chris's.
>> So, but I mean, at the end of the day, I

1225
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:53,840
mean, if we're gonna make that Yeah.
decision just to put it on there. I just

1226
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:57,600
um and it gives us time to hear from the
people.

1227
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:02,960
» I mean, it does. It does. I mean, we
clearly, you know, I'm sure there'll be

1228
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:06,719
some sort of, you know, posting and that
we have this work session and then, you

1229
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:11,119
know, the people we'll hear from people.
So I have no issue with putting it on

1230
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:13,920
either any
nor do I. I think either one is fine.

1231
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:19,679
» Okay.
>> Well, I think for my sake to be

1232
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:22,400
compliant, I would like it to be um for
my

1233
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:25,520
22nd.
>> That's fine.

1234
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:31,360
» Okay. All right.
>> Okay. Um great discussion.

1235
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:35,040
Uh, I appreciate your guys's willingness
and if there's topics like this, this is

1236
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:38,320
probably what we'll have to do in the
future because this is I think

1237
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:42,000
effective. I think what you hear from
the people and it gives everybody else

1238
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:44,400
chance the public to hear what we have
to say too. So,

1239
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:49,679
» well, we can make we can make these
decisions when we like this. But in the

1240
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:55,520
future, like like I said earlier, there
may there may become a time in the not

1241
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:59,840
so distant future when the people and us
are going to have to decide what

1242
01:38:56,719 --> 01:39:04,159
services are most important.
>> And just like the main society, we love

1243
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:08,778
to hear from the public. Send us
information, your thoughts, your

1244
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:15,328
concerns. Love to hear from you. So
[clears throat] I've got a great big

1245
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:19,199
huge inbox email. So fill it up.
>> [laughter]

1246
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:24,960
» All right, with that I entertain a
motion to close the discussion.

1247
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:27,960
» So second
>> I

1248
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:40,639
» item number seven order.
>> Uh I have aation meeting next week.

1249
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:46,320
» Uh I have a landfill meeting tomorrow.
Um just to update the board, uh continue

1250
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:52,080
to have meetings for uh the task force
for the the governor on the outdoor rent

1251
01:39:48,719 --> 01:40:00,000
um department. We need our
um now a couple times meetings tomorrow.

1252
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:05,360
So long hours long three hours. So
>> that's all I have a motion to move to.

1253
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:09,080
» Second
oppose. All right.

1254
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,840
Thank you everyone.