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whatever time when finished we're not we're we're asking the
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... if we're done at twelve will still take the
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later we will look at that time on okay so
that's
because we do have the applications on the market center
I have nine deputations on item seven to
so I think we can get going
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I like the approval of the previous minutes which is
the development services committee that minutes January twenty fifth
comment on that let's
I have a comment on the previous minutes okay
moved ministers will be moved by
respondents sector by the Deputy Mayor Hamilton
councillor ray Hey on the I. ninety nine hundred Markham
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it was requested that staff to provide an update status
report on the vacant heritage buildings within the city in
any process and process improvements I asked for that to
be done in ninety days otherwise it'll go missing and
it's a more about the enforcement which so Reagan has
a list of her to chose but so I'm is
gonna bring back the enforcement on it as well so
I just wanna make sure the invoice mentioned in their
within ninety days
so it doesn't get lost
okay
thank you
so all in favor
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we'll do the deputations with the item
communications received from
we had twenty six on the ... thanks for us
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overall we got about 70
blinders okay communications moved to receive the communications
councillor Lee and seconded by councillor Paul all in favor
oppose carrots no no projections
and a on the regular report ... seven point one
city of Markham comments to the province on a ministers
owning a larger request by Maanshan foundation to remain at
a long term care facility
within a learning center an assisted living communication at thirty
six apple creek Boulevard Ward two Mr commissioner you wanna
kick this off yes thank you Mr chairman for the
opportunity so we have request you have received a request
from the province of Ontario for comments on the proposed
ministers only water this is by the Maanshan foundation
and it's not you to permit a long term care
facility there is a learning center component there's also an
assisted living ... community also being a proposed at thirty
six apple creek Boulevard
hello this is apple creek and ... just east of
Woodbine
... this is within ... so employment lands I was
surrounded by some employment lands and ... this is ...
and ... and item that staff would be working on
it's been led by Stephen Lew Stephen to manager in
our planning department
and ... Mister chairman Stephen is here with a ...
short our presentation and then if you're a willing you
can introduce the representatives from Maanshan iron and they also
have a short presentation
a Stephen
thank you Mr Prasad's ... and and good morning committee
and and and members of committee here are today we
do have Stephanie Wong we have Frank child and we
have ... ... that Tim Klein are from Maanshan foundation
we also have all been theater from image you see
who's representing ... Maanshan there's any consultants I do have
a quick presentation I do want to share with you
one second
Mr Prasad mentioned I am Stephen ... I am the
manager of the central planning district in the city of
Markham ... today as I said we have a presentation
to committee on the city's comments the province on Marchand's
ministers only order request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard
section forty seven of the planning act provides the Ministry
principal fears and housing with authority to make ends it
does Mr zoning orders to control use of land anywhere
in Ontario and it does require mail over local plans
and zoning bylaws and they're intended to be used to
protect matters of provincial interest
Furthermore ministers decision on Ms L. application is required to
be consistent with the provincial policy statement and that's in
accordance with the planning act
on February second two thousand twenty one the Ministry requested
for the city of Markham comments on Marchand's spends that'll
request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard
to set the context in twenty twenty the Ontario government's
committed to an aggressive modernization plan to create a long
term care facility long term care sector that is really
resident centered while providing high quality care
the commitment included point seven five billion dollar investment to
create thirty thousand modern long term care spaces over ten
years
the new spaces would increase access to long term care
to meet clinical safety and social needs of Ontarians
respecting the policy context the centre image here
shows that apple creek Boulevard is located east of Woodbine
Avenue on the west side of the Rouge river system
and on the north side of apple creek road
the image on the left here
is an excerpt from York region's official plan where designates
thirty six apple creek as urban area and regional agreements
system
the regional official plan requires a local municipalities to designate
and protect employment lands in local municipal official plans and
only permits the conversion to non employment uses through the
municipal comprehensive review
Furthermore the policies require local official plans to identify opportunities
to integrate the regional green land system into community design
encourage remedial works hands means opportunities which can be determined
through a future municipal site plan approval application and approval
by the Toronto region conservation authority
the image to the right here
is an excerpt from the city's official plan which designates
thirty six appropriate as business parks and greenway system
with an employment areas the policies of our official plan
like for a range of employment uses a corporate location
contributes to the creation of complete communities and protection of
employment lands land uses that may affect the continued viability
of existing employment uses
similar to the official plan of the region the city's
official plan only permits the conversion of employment lands to
non employment uses through municipal comprehensive review or an ANSI
art
in Q. three twenty twenty March John expressed interest to
locate a long term care facility and life lease housing
at thirty six apple creek to provide for the escalating
demands for support to the city's aging population
in fact the Markham older adults strategy report from two
thousand seventeen identified a hundred and twenty three percent increase
expected growth of older adults from twenty eleven to twenty
twenty six
compared to sixteen percent increase of adults and five percent
of you
as already noted the thirty six apple creek Boulevard location
is currently within an existing and established business park employment
area
the introduction of the Maanshan development is considered an employment
land conversion
York region is currently conducting a review of its official
plan through an MCR process
the growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe requires the
designation of employment areas in the regional official plan only
allows for employment your conversions through regional and see our
the region opposed the November twenty nine two thousand nineteen
deadline for conversion request submissions as part of their current
and see our process
in response the timing challenges and in light of the
twenty twenty provincial government commitments resulting from York region no
longer considering any further employment conversions during their MCR process
Maanshan foundation requested the minister minutes photo appears and housing
for themselves
Ms that'll request books the following
construction of two new seven story mixed use buildings as
conceptually showing here
the proposed development consists of an approximate GFA of fifty
two thousand square meters I density of two point five
F. aside and includes a hundred and twelve parking spaces
building one
right here along apple creek includes approximately two hundred and
fifty affordable units life least likely skewness
in a mixed use building approximately thirty one thousand square
meters
with a vocational training centre for personal support workers I
heritage learning center
and after school and weekend heritage and immersion youth programs
like space age in place opportunities
building too at the rear of the property
includes approximately a hundred and sixty bed long term care
facility with about sixteen thousand square meters including medical exam
rooms classrooms and a comment residents dining hall
upon review and consultation with the city's engineering urban design
policy planning environmental planning and development planning teams the following
is recommended
that the City courts the M. zero request by Maanshan
subject to the recommendation zoning standards attached in appendix D.
this particular fabric a twenty twenty one staff report and
for the following reasons
both nearby low rise residential to the east the main
distinguishing factor with the subject lands its location at the
periphery of an existing employment area
and it's a media adjacency to the north south and
west businesses exist smaller scale office industrial and retail uses
a further contextual distinguishes the location of the subject from
its overall employment area in the vicinity shown in figure
two of the attached report
between reasons a and B. the introduction of Maanshan developments
which is a sense of land use would less likely
destabilize the remaining employment area while the adjacent smaller scale
uses will likely not negatively impact the development
additionally the subject lands are within the built up area
that is well served with existing infrastructure including water and
sanitary
other supporting services within a five hundred metre radius of
the subject lands would complement the uses proposed in the
end that all requests including but not limited to medical
facilities retail places of worship and educational institute
as reflected in appendix D. other tax report staff recommends
the proposed development as part of Marchand's and that ...
request be subject to the city site plan control process
being the optimal tool to enable a thorough and full
some evaluation of the proposal
Maanshan is aware of this and a high staff they
have no objection
and staff recommend intricate the introduction of the full one
sorry the old one open spaces a home in the
draft and that'll that would ensure the protection and enhancement
of the interface with the natural heritage features immediately east
Maanshan is aware of this and by staff they have
no objection
for the next steps staff recommends the February two thousand
twenty one report be forwarded to the Ministry York region
and a trauma region conservation authority as Markham's comments on
the Maanshan foundation ends at a request for thirty six
apple creek Boulevard
thank you this concludes staff's presentation on and that report
I will now head over to Albin Theodore planning consultants
for Marcia foundation
hello I just have a
Deputy Mayor Hamilton one the question to you steeple
yes Mr
unmute yourself okay
okay go ahead not
yes thanks Mr Charles gonna wait till after the present
all the presentations were
okay we'll do that thank you
next is so this won't
is it Stephanie Wong are you making the presentation
no Mr Jacobs albeit or from M. H. B. C.
okay Oakland
thank you Mr chair a wasn't able to
... I need myself until now ... I'm going to
share screen
I wanna make sure that everyone is able to see
our presentation
so just stop thank you everyone and ... our presentation
is going to be our presenter by a number of
of us from from Sean Chen Quan ... representing Maanshan
myself ... ... represent much of a planning perspective in
our architect ... Michael I will also be speaking just
to some of the specifics of the proposal ...
it's an honor to be able to speak today ...
I request for support of an and settle for a
mixed use multi purpose continuum of care seniors living facility
... what I'd like to do is ... I'll turn
it over to him who's going to speak a bit
about Maanshan with history um and what motion generally don't
thank you Evelyn
this is chairman and members of council my name is
Tim Kwan
I'm D. volunteer chairman of monsoon foundation
for more than 10 years now
to get with me today
our number one all past presidents current director and board
advisor saying Charles
N. I. S. C. O. Stephanie Wong
all planner Elden CeeLo who just spoke
an architect Michael Nicholas Smith
so this project we
seeking to support all
city of Markham
on the project which will consist of 3 major items
number one one hundred and sixty long term capex all
private
the light of the recent endemic infections
the assistant affordable senior Caleb
the third component will be PSW training school training center
all together this will be a continuum of care
well we have a short very short redial to
... ... the several cells as to the services we
provide to the community
I hope this coming on the screen for you right
now
N. P.
the video presentation is about one minute
here it is
yeah
the long term care
I saw
I don't know what it everyone's got the video because
I don't
okay everyone the C. D. D. audio part of it
did you get the other part because I did not
get it
although
and that's okay I think he may just tells ...
what we're doing and
was this year's permission I don't want to take more
time and replay it suffice to say that we provide
services in the food sectors of long term care about
who was senior private chair and serving well over a
few thousand
residents twenty four seven as well as residents people who
are coming in during the week
all right was there I'm good to go back to
... ... didn't see it all to talk more specifically
about the site and the application
Mr chip
thank you Jim I'm sorry about the technical difficulties in
terms of the volume ... so just to put the
problem into contacts in terms of the trends for long
term care ...
the fifty five thousand marchers ... require long term care
placement in twenty thirty three to twenty thirty four of
that ... the number visible minority seniors in on terror
increased by forty four percent between twenty eleven to twenty
sixteen that compared to a sixteen percent increase among non
visible minorities seniors
and what that sixty percent of the twenty LTC homes
with the longest median wait times are no specific or
religious homes and that includes Marchand's Scarborough and Richmond hill
... to see homes which are ranked number three and
number four respectively and that list of top twenty
... and the central local health integrated network of which
Markham is a part of it is on track to
become the region with the longest LTC wait times ...
skiing and Marchand's Richmond hill okay if you centre has
the longest wait times in the region so that's just
putting a bit of the problem into context
when we look from a ... provincial policy perspective ...
we know that of the provincial policy statement ... looks
for an appropriate range and mix of housing options to
meet projected market needs by promoting and facilitating all housing
options required to meet social health economic well being requirements
for Kurt for current and future residents
we also counters action plan twenty twenty ... which Stephen
spoke to ... which notes that thirty eight thousand Ontarians
are currently waiting to get into long term care homes
and some of the objectives of that plan which includes
eliminating four bed wards in on tears up you see
homes prioritizing new bags that serve cultural needs
building thirty thousand new long term care beds over the
next ten years the choosing an average rate of daily
direct patient care of four hours a day per resident
by twenty twenty four twenty twenty five
from a regional perspective York region senior strategy thinking had
twenty sixteen ... support age friendly and complete communities for
older adults can land in the home or community of
their choice for as long as they're available advocating to
support the need for more long term care beds across
the region as well working with local municipalities a few
organizations to create access accessible spaces innovative and affordable housing
options convenient transportation programs that supports use independence inclusion
I'm just looking at the city of Markham itself of
the official plan seeks to work in partnership with the
region many organizations development industry to develop a strategy for
portable and shared housing to coordinate efforts to ensure a
diverse range of housing options increasing affordability options of as
well as for seniors use whenever and Spencer will person
household entering Krista supply and shared housing including housing for
persons with special needs I particularly ... figure Markham's older
adults strategy which Stephen had mentioned earlier chemist to ensuring
that the city's decision making process always considers the components
of age friendly cities and recognizes the diverse needs of
older adults in Markham and then important point that was
noted out of that ... with which even had also
mentioned was that between twenty eleven to twenty twenty six
older adults are next are expected to grow by hundred
twenty three percent in Markham so that's a staggering number
and it's a it's a recognition of the importance of
being able to find ... housing options for seniors within
the city
and lastly city marking diversity action plan seeks to leverage
the multi cultural and multi lingual character of Markham population
to track international partners and new opportunities for economic development
so Marchand has found the ideal site um thirty six
battle creek Boulevard which is currently occupied by a two
story brick building and warehouse tent at the rear
the surrounding land uses are for the most part to
the west small format commercial retail style uses and to
the south ... business employment type uses but the balance
predominately to the east and to the north ... is
the existing routes river system the existing valley corridor and
beyond that ... the existing residential community so it's it's
on the edge of employment area it's well served by
transit ... that's locally available in the area it's walkable
to amenities ... of that many who ... who would
be ... could be operating on the site would have
access to on a daily basis so we see this
location as an ideal set ... to provide for this
unique opportunity I'm gonna turn it over to our architect
who's going to speak to ... the vision for the
state
thank you this is Michael Douglas spent sneaky speaking
the overall high level concept is to create two buildings
two separate buildings with that continue our cares of the
sidewalk building and it's ... would contain multi use programming
with primarily the life leads units
looting the vocational training education facility concise in Chinese language
... to the sound would be be the long term
care facility in oxalate one hundred sixty hundred ninety long
term care beds thank the corporate in single rooms with
private washrooms so there is the site that around includes
about a hundred twelve parking spots and one level of
underground parking hello this so building primarily due to a
common and rest of the needs and these two buildings
are really understood
to be constructed together read that continuum of care and
use that site the variety since that artist and
so there it is but instruct to gather as a
single ... facility
not the drawing at the bottom of the page it
is a diagrammatic cat site section showing you the seven
story building along up a creek Boulevard to the west
the Rouge river ravine system next to it and in
the residential development so you can see the building is
all the way from that region system and well distance
hello the yeah and replying to the residential development so
it yeah hi has little to no impact on the
surrounding areas and and sent back not residential area
so thanks a lot Michael out ... I'm just going
to wrap up the presentation so ... as
part of the Ms auto that that stuff is included
in the package ... the request is not seeking to
change the designation is not seeking to actually change the
zoning in itself it simply seeking to add institutional uses
as additional permitted uses within the systems on today ...
it's amending the lot coverage to provide for the increased
density as shown in the proposed will support area ...
and it's technically not adding any residential units at that
it's actually adding institutional units in the form of long
term care and retirement or assisted living units ... as
Michael mentioned hundreds all service parking spaces and and the
one level underground parking which we see across one hundred
spaces fitting within
... all of that we believe this is the zoning
will put in place the necessary framework that allow for
the future site plan application to help us implement this
vision as we work with staff in that process
overall the request is to permit for the introduction of
the institutional uses and the request is necessary to assist
Maanshan with the LTC license application which does require the
site to have the right zoning and it's also necessary
given as mentioned earlier ... but regions and Ms Addo
... excuse me the region's MCR process ... has come
and gone with respect for options for consideration ... so
the necessity to be able to consider through and I'm
sort of process ... will assist ... to advance this
opportunity on this property within the city
so last week with council support ... the ends in
a will provide an opportunity for Markham seniors to age
in place along proved seniors care support ... my high
quality PSW training provided options for multi generational interaction increase
support for high demand ethno specific seniors living in long
term care offering the full spectrum of care for seniors
with the diversity of unit types and tenures having flexible
program space that can adapt based on the needs and
opportunities for youth education services with emphasis on Chinese heritage
language
and
want to thank you for being able to make this
presentation ... we reviewed ... staffs so our report and
staff recommendation a were supportive of that recommendation I would
like to thank staff for their guidance in our request
that we've made today and ... we are happy to
answer our teams happy I'm sure when questions councillor
thank you I do have a list of speakers Deputy
Mayor Hamilton then regional cancer a cancer of all their
stupidity councillor keys in constantly I have one question is
is there any need to enter connect the two buildings
either underground or on a second level
... thank you for the question ... I may turn
it over to ... architect Michael who may be able
to kind of speak to that particular as it relates
to underground parking
I was sick I was thinking moral as you know
like one area has more programming than the other area
what's more interconnecting the buildings from our activity standpoint
we don't currently anticipate interconnecting them up or the need
because they sort of operate as independent facilities what related
in terms of that continued continuity of care so currently
we're not anticipating connection okay thank you Deputy Mayor Hamilton
yes thank you Mr chairman so it good morning to
a
Sam and Frank and Stephanie and formerly Doris who I've
worked with before
I'm glad to see you here this morning ... I
want to speak in in support of this application ...
this Ms that'll but I do have a couple of
questions up first of all maybe for Tim if I
could ... Mr chairman through you ... I noticed the
word ethno specific was mentioned by your your planner there
I would just mean that that ... anybody can join
in the the building like could I command good my
mom come in you know is it open to anybody
in in the area or is it specific for a
certain group
through you Mr chair let me double check if I'm
I was on mute he Keren yes I think okay
thank you Mr chairman ...
Mr Deputy Mayor and they said seeing your game online
we have been
... started to serve more more mainstream now particularly in
the store real long term care
as you may or may not know ... Maanshan two
years ago has started a big long term care three
hundred twenty basis he stole real
that building is almost finish we are
less than 6 months from this grand opening
it will be the first all this size under the
new build in the entire province ... we were lucky
because we just plan ahead of time and so it
was all this way so that we're able to do
not install video is ... that because of the demographics
it is clear that last number all mainstream clients will
coming
and you most of us also role if we got
family even look at chair we know that it is
key ministries
and send us
the residents we really do not have control would be
sent
and she remained of that might come with the diversity
of residents I am quite sure that we will be
serving more and more mainstream clients
Mr chips which
thank you very much Tim I appreciate that answer ...
I'd like to go over to Stephen low if I
could Mr chairman and ask him a few questions
Steven are you there your email yeah good morning good
morning so last week I I had a number of
calls from people that wanted to brand all Ms Santos
as bad
all Ms adults are bad they told me we should
get rid of them
and I said no all not all and zeros are
back
we have to look at them on a case by
case basis they have a useful purpose sometimes
so this one that we're looking at right now
... there's not gonna be any consultation with neighbors whether
those neighbors being the residential neighbors in the area or
the business neighbours or the commercial neighbors in the area
am I correct on that
through you Mr chair to the Deputy Mayor ... the
planning process at this point ... should council our supporters
Ms that ... and should the minister ... grant bands
at all ... we're not warranted a public consultation in
that respect ... it will be referred to a site
plan approval application ... however ... ... nothing is precluding
community information meetings to occur ... where ... the long
where Maanshan can engage with the surrounding office surrounding land
uses and and owners ... at that point but that
would have to be a call from from committee and
and members of council and that would have to be
done before
we as a council approved
the Ms at all going forward
do you to Mr Jerry to deafening they're not necessarily
at this point ... as always you're worth mentioning at
this point it's a it's a request for comments from
the minister on the and settle on to stab wish
to development standards ... at that point but the site
plan approval process we can fine tune ... ... the
the developments in accordance with those development standards
but realistically speaking Steven isn't it true that if the
local council approves that that it's pretty much a done
deal
he is Mr Jerry yes it is yes so would
be kind of pointless the whole the community information meeting
after we approved it as a local council
for you to Mr chair
technically yes it would be but ... with community engagements
and with the introduction of this use and fine tuning
the that the concept itself ... I think it could
be beneficial to engage with the local with local community
so you're talking more about sort of when you get
a site plan that's correct okay
the
just so we have a comparison
I mean and again I repeat I'm supporting this application
no question in my mind there was never a question
in my mind
about that but I'd like to know why
11 shown
hasn't gone through the formal process is there any other
reason besides what was illustrated today by the planner and
by yourself that the opportunity for for doing this as
passed us by
from a regional standpoint
through you Mr chair can I get some a representative
from Maanshan to respond to that one
Mr chairman before that happened maybe I can take a
bit of a stab at it it's Arvin Prasad commissioner
Drummond services one of the issues here with among Sharman
application Mr chairman is that it is located within employment
area
the planning act growth plan requires that an employment area
stays employment unless it's converted through ... do I reached
all municipal comprehensive review
municipal comprehensive reviews are done every five to ten years
so don't they're currently doing MCR right now dad the
ship has sailed on that one so it's a long
delay
so that's one of the regional perspectives we need to
think about in terms of the planning controls that might
impact solid long chunk could come in tomorrow and apply
for employment conversion here is a regional just say to
them will consider it to our next MCR process
and that next steps are process may be a very
long time away
thank you Mr chair thank you very much commissioner for
that explanation I'm just trying to set up for for
the people who who said to me that all and
settles are back just trying to illustrate for them Y.
Maanshan has done what it's done and while I'm supporting
that process ...
so I think all believe it at that the only
other concern I have Mister chairman yeah M. and I
hope we can address it and it came up a
while ago and it wasn't through them said all but
it was through an application by a church and I'm
sure members of
any that have been around for awhile will remember it
it was close to a cement plants
and the church was obligated to put in extra so
roofing in the in their unit that they were in
the church or wanted to use as a church and
also for other noise abatement they had to to put
in place ...
actual windows that type of thing so I'm just I'm
just throwing caution to the wind that ... we want
strong
should probably do the same thing
to protect our peace and tranquility on this site
so that if any of the other surrounding neighbors decided
to do at some other kind of use change the
current use so it was noise here that it would
not disrupt one shell in the long term and that's
where I'm thinking long term because this is a of
a longer term ... enterprise
so again I am saying thank you Tim ... thank
you Frank thank you Stephanie for bringing this forward and
also for Doris ... I recall remember very fondly I
think it's a great use I think it's in the
in a good place and I'm going to support a
hundred percent thank you very much Mr chairman
the recommendations are going to be moved by their stability
and seconded by councillor bowl next is regional
councillor Keith
thank you Mr chair and ... ... this is a
quite a an interesting and good application ... and ...
I'm glad there was a slide there or true presented
Mister chair about the need for more long term care
and the pressing need in the future ... as the
numbers grow ... ... in York region and across of
course and I I see the government has laid aside
or set aside um closing in on two billion dollars
... if I read it correctly thirty thousand ... ...
have been injured chatter ... extra beds and trying to
get away I can see weasel are ... words trying
to get away from ... from the four beds per
room ... and they didn't say trying to get away
from any more than one bed room which means a
... it's still too bad future might be tolerated I'm
sure that we get to that later I am ...
wanted to ask a few questions ... because ... and
I'll get to which how long do we have to
respond to the ministry's letter ... Stephen
it's attached to it and ... that there's so much
paper here I can quickly get to it but it's
there somewhere
I think you to Mr Mr to regional council he
... my understanding is it's it's it's a bit time
sensitive here ... from from what was explained to staff
is that there's been a purchase to the to a
purchase not to put there's an offer to purchase the
property at thirty six ... apple creek ... and that
due diligence is is ending end of the month in
order for Maanshan to make and to render a decision
... so so the minister would have to render decisions
around that time so it is a bit time sensitive
yes
... is this a because I believe very strongly that
to that too no Ms at all whether it's one
is favorable of what Tim is making this morning and
I've known him for quite awhile and the anti Maanshan
I guess I've known
for thirty or forty years ... I hate to say
it
is that long ... and ... they have done good
work over that those many years ... ... but I
found out about this last night are you yesterday afternoon
I guess ... we have letters from ... seventy five
people I'd be willing to bet the dates ... ...
creek ... are in advance of the revised agenda which
this is wrong so where do we have to follow
the question is and I will present a motion that
we have before we ... we answer this question that
we have a community information meeting ... ... do we
is there any time frame ... that ... ... we
need to follow in this instance or community information meeting
so we can hear from the public
through you Mr chair ... sorry the condo ... it
was a question about our community permission meeting and and
holding it now yes it is there any time frame
required under the planning act ... for us to to
hold one know that we have to give notice ...
three weeks in advance or something like that or can
we hold a ... a a public information meeting next
... Tuesday a week from tomorrow
okay through you Mr shared out to council region concert
he no there is no ... planning regulations without woods
... are still doing that ... how it next question
is to the people who live on the east of
this proposal in the residential community ... have they been
notified that this proposals coming through
through you to me ... Mister chair to regional council
he's now is my understanding do the of businesses in
the ... ... the plaza to the west and the
businesses in the are to the south ... have they've
been notified of this proposal
no
... ... is there now I've got a few other
questions when did staff find out about this
when when when was staff notified that there's something coming
okay thank god
what
my internet unstable I apologize
question when did stuff
our were where this yes okay through you Mr church
to reserve house or he ... Maanshan approached staff end
of October of last year identify their interest in this
parcel of land ... after consultation with staff staff or
by that's what was reported in the report staff advised
that if they deem the employment land conversion and that
the deadline for the regional MCR
past ... it wasn't until I would say mid January
that word got around that much John was um a
plan for an exam and general and it wasn't until
last she was the that received a formal communication from
the minister of their request on this and that a
request for comments
this is
are there others
are there others to staff know of other in general
statement of that are that are coming for we up
to today other others coming to my knowledge with the
Social Planning districts I don't have anything else central planning
district there are four planning districts are not yet
my knowledge
what
I understand I don't know I don't built as a
great ... and so ... one trong does not have
the land does not own the land present so our
our quick action ... ... ... somehow by before the
end of the month is required from on strong ...
... ... ... say yes or no war on the
purchase of the land if they can't get the image
that all from approval by Markham and then approval by
the Ministry before let us say what is this and
I'm looking at the calendar coverage twenty eight I'm trying
to members leave here ... February twenty eighth well then
... ... they will not they won't purchase the land
that's the situation we're in
correct that is my understanding and ... should I ask
your ... ... Tim ... is their inability to extend
that
I don't I'll tell you I'm a huge fan of
the Maanshan but I do not like the feeling of
being rush I do not like the feeling of non
consulting with the the bit a community around the residential
and the employment community that is so anti what we
do in Markham so I'm wondering whether or not there's
an opportunity and worst him my he's there somewhere ...
... whether or not we can get another month in
this process
Mr regional councillor through
as the chair
we actually had enter into agreement to purchase a slam
approximately six months ago
and there was a time that we discussed what might
come about the process of making the application
they were advised that we will not be able to
do the first step through the region because the timing
is not right it would takes quite some time years
before the review ... the change of use
... so that we had to ... look at any
and all options and the only option wasn't available to
us was and said ...
in order to do that we actually went back to
the owner and ask for an extension we wanted a
little bit more time but the owner was quite clear
that they do not want to give us more time
and D. rage when right now with the extension it
would have expired in December thirty first twenty twenty now
we have to do an extension until the end of
separate
I do not know what the date will be amenable
to give us a little bit more time ... I
don't get because last time it took us quite a
bit of a happen so the law is to to
get that option
... however if ... we must go back and add
because we're running out of time because the ministry will
take longer all it might come want to do ...
mall consultation then we just have to
see if we can find a way to to make
that happen
... of addition is also because we're not land developers
we only look at land as ... will only be
more of a leading to a lot of proofs for
all uses ... we've never purchased a piece of land
that may get a certain zoning arose will be end
up with land banking which is not the objective all
the vocation
so ... we're working as hard as we can we
hope this will go through ... and ... I just
leave it that I've been just stating our situation as
clearly as I can I hope
and that's one good thing that I've always appreciated but
... Jim Kwan who I've dealt with as I said
many times it's he makes it clear he makes honest
is quite forthright and ... and that does such a
good job representing on strong and select thank you for
that ... ... D. what is done unfortunately ... I'll
go back to Steven is that ... the deadline ...
is three weeks from ... ... yesterday ... maybe staff
knew about this ... and who knows whether or not
the local councillor knew about this but I found out
about it three weeks from the deadline to do it
now and ... ... I have never ... we thought
that we should proceed without public consultation we are not
the owners of the ... of the planning opportunities to
the planning system in in ... Markham the residents are
and the businesses that the work here so I mean
that's my problem ... and that's why I think that
we should be and I certainly will move ... ...
that we have a community information meeting in one week
... maybe potentially one week tomorrow ... and that we
have a council meeting immediately afterwards to decide whether we
want to do it ... but ... and that maybe
that we deferred this or send this to were and
the next council meeting up tomorrow ... and ... in
the meantime request staff to have the ... a community
information meetings ... idea and weight at some point in
time we'll talk about the site plan ... because there
are some issues that relate to the environment the Roach
Rusia valley there ... and I noticed that the ...
the land has some very small amounts that are beyond
the top of bank and that potentially may be dedicated
or should be dedicated maybe Steven can tell me who
is the landowner of the valley
the land right to the west right to the story
through you Mr direct regional council he's that steer try
to region conservation authority ... are you sure it's ...
... all all of T. R. C. A. land except
for one small I guess they could own it but
we manage it where one small area in the northeast
all that land is managed by the city of Markham
... and I was ... I thought that was city
mark next to it
if you look into it regional council he okay councillor
Geetha Frank Joe and Stephanie Wong would want to speak
I guess and I am finish that Mr Jeremy please
that but at some point in time if you would
come back to me I would like to the and
a motion or a an amendment which calls for a
public information meeting ... within a week and a council
meeting to deal with the matter immediately afterwards thank you
who wants to go first Frankford Stephanie
the French are here to handle and just ... two
teams of a comment ... the reason for this a
bit of a Russian we apologize for not have IT
consulting maybe body is the need to very urgent need
all LTC bets against it but damn it ... give
us those who H. and we are the operator off
... the long term care beds and we feel the
pressure and do we actually build install real into year
two or not yet that doesn't top years of three
hundred twenty batch and we could do that and we
want to do it in Moscow because bottom site as
the world's longest we do this ... in the area
for us and do we really want to do it
and this is a excellent site where it was right
in the middle of the community at the it always
suitable for everybody and certainly
crudest program may also open up the
you urgent request off
mold
PSW and we are planning a training center Ryan does
compacts
so that it would be like a teaching hospital it
just just teaching ... LDCs sorry and then the practicum
we'll be right at the back of the of the
OCC building
this is the ideal situation for us and this is
why I don't put in the video that we have
us was it all a set team saying we R.
charity we cannot spend money I had with the ...
doing anything so we want to be sure that we
have all of the zoning and then at the same
time the Ministry want us to have the right song
and before the issue the license so this is sort
of a but
urgent appeal and I understand that and also ... the
processes that that respect everything that that they would contact
us and we actually we went to the city consultants
... do we kneel down and that it would take
years to that and present our opportunity we don't want
the groups at the that's why we ask you ...
... to support us what is the ... seals or
would be quickly what I can promise if you are
give us is only a December zero we could do
this very quickly yeah and build on our long term
care and training facility right there with you what I
mean so I think this would be beneficial for the
whole community at all where it was sent and we
have to track record of doing this if she is
not just a but just talking and we have the
resources we are people we have team as of
are we to a builder and the ... we will
be able to do that this is the moving on
things that we would like to council I guess you
because a lot of members have come to the Markham
... ... that we have and also Scotland so what
I need to see what we have thought this is
a hard cross a type of thing and then if
you have a chance we will bring you to do
so we have to look at what we have done
D. rules that we designed it out his used oleo
is single room I just saw important about it now
they decide in their P. C. of because the old
the delegations for that group well done to to better
route now we have single room and so this is
something that we want to implement the bottom for the
community that's what she thank you Stephanie
thank you Mr chair and good morning everyone ... Frank
has almost a talk about what kind of phone ...
wanna mention ends on not to repeat itself or what
team and offering said but I would like to echo
the importance for us to getting the right spelling out
to expedite our application of the long term care licenses
that behalf of fighting with the Ministry of long term
care and they are actually reviewing our application
we are very determined to build a long term care
a new long term care center in Markham and I'll
wait list as mentioned now presentation about it move ranks
number one in terms of the wait list so people
have to wait to like many many years to get
into a long term care
and that is why it is urgent for us to
to get the right zoning to get the lands which
I think everybody knows not easy to get land in
Markham well with the price that we can afford actually
it will be a substantial investment on the part of
mahjong we are not a real estate developer we would
not find land just to for the purpose of land
banking and for future development so we have to get
the right news before we can make a decision to
purchase that land the owner off thirty six apple creek
actually it's been very combine to extend for months and
that is right before Christmas that we've been working very
hard with them to get the extension and they've indicated
already it's very hard for them to so the extent
so we know that is only three weeks from that
that line and we very much wanted to know what
the we can actually proceed with the acquisition
besides working with the ministry of health on our application
we are also looking at other opportunities to acquire licenses
from the LTZ operators for whoever is the one to
operate in the future because we see the needs of
the LTC licenses for the community and in particular for
the city of Markham because as mentioned the population the
senior population is rising not in proportion of the availability
of the long term care beds which is actually in
very dire need so we hope that the council would
support us ... and then we could move this as
quickly as we can and I would like to have
this opportunity to thank the staff team actually have several
meetings of the mention to us what the requirements are
and now what usually the owner or the ... are
the operator has to go through which we have already
promised that we will comply with the requirements man comes
to the site plan stage
thank you Mr chair
councillor whole
yeah thank you Mr chair well ... I would appreciate
you know ... ... public consultation meetings before you know
... and you decision however I also understand that it's
not you know ...
you showcase you know fall most of you know the
provincial ... regulations so that case you know I would
not Graydon the applicant no I was stopped or not
you know heavy and the public meetings and not everybody
knows that you know opportunities you know running short of
time because you know they they need you know I'll
be in lights in order to close seat so in
that case you know I of course you know ...
really ... you know some of you know at this
project and
everybody knows that you know in the past I very
much you know objectives ... to land conversion however this
time is not a LED conversion from the employment land
to residential is we are always expanding the jewels to
mixed use including ... institutional ... purpose as well as
you know at providing services to long term care see
India ... home that kind of thing so I I
think ... we should not have been the big problem
... talk about you know ... Mahneshan ... as you
know and everybody knows that my should you know it
used a name up to you though ... I committee
leader three thousand years ago providing not only for three
at lunch but free meals to more than three thousand
people at that time so I appreciate that you know
... that this my son has been doing a great
job over the years of providing services to senior community
long term care committee as well as you know the
young people so this is you know where good of
them and I also remember that when could you listed
bent you know visit to you know Canada my show
was the only chart the charitable organizer you should she
wish to take so you can see you know a
how good they are because to note that nonprofit organizations
and they also you know go white services tool ...
committee in
I am not the way this is long and now
it is time um well finally you know find a
good location he might walk you but to get a
lot that's very good
so all right well ... all right I thank you
know all the previous us because you know supporting on
this project and I'm more than happy to second you
know the motion moved by
thank you
okay next is a master duty after that it's transfer
keys Guelph Line rate and ... Smith
thank you very much share and not responsive thank you
to Maanshan ground floor being as
man man diligent to try and stop motion along here
facility are in the city Marquard and not particularly here
not but certainly for York region as well I think
you're going to go over ... did need not for
long term care facilities nothing was lost the Canadian minor
violence and by him and the numbers nine and certainly
not that the crisis that we're chasing our with not
only long term care not responsible ... housing in a
range of constant nah nah nah I I guess
I would say that in some respects it's too bad
... fine our our you know our songs and in
this position ... generally ... but I think it's determined
something I've been speaking to the process
for several months now ... you know I I would
say that in our planning process now it's probably broken
Robinson Ontario are there needs to be changes made to
the process that aren't certainly allows were modestly local decision
making local inbox but the process is just economy hearing
early to number some and and and way too long
to allow ... projects like this is not absolute near
in our community
seated in a timely fashion so you know I think
it's indicative of
I know how may some may not agree to resistance
broke
certainly needs a hell of a lot of retention in
my opinion so when you take a look at the
fact
members of council members birds status will be
it is where we stand our to accommodate future growth
within our community I mean it's been over ten years
not that those areas have been under our review of
non wage and hasn't been wanna hold built in those
areas one home where a young family are managed to
or a senior would move into our seniors
and that's just too long I think it speaks to
the crisis that we have I'm gonna miss you shorter
than this I don't wanna highlighted anything yeah you know
you're not a professional planning purposes Sam continue to advocate
the province of Ontario not to make the changes that
that are needed for us to have greater flexibility not
seeking an honorable contracts certainly not being able to get
things not because not the process stand in the way
of getting things not
during the motion he shows one in three years just
asking us not to comment on the existing zoning so
what would be the full range of uses the the
existing zoning
even
thanks Mr through you into two Mayor start pretty ...
the the zoning right now on the lands are what
we call M. C. forty under ... under zoning bylaw
one six five PD
about zone category permits a range of industrial uses as
well as commercial uses including banks and financial institutions business
offices
social schools hotels and motels and that's specifically what it
says in the zoning right now
someone that speaks to select industrial warehouse building here and
then operating under the
Zacks
through you Mr Shettar the property correct that is correct
you know it's it's
I perfectly understand all of the previous comments ... and
and and and all in the spirit of which they
work worked Saturday I don't disagree with that
not being sent to moral ... because zoning is in
place not a warehouse ... would be allowed to use
the site and not and not everybody you see things
from a different perspective that certainly
not a lot of more impacts you one of the
existing community these are our hands obviously they wouldn't need
not rezoning amendment to facilitate that thank you bye property
remain with the site plan and the and the operations
there so while I understand this
I think that's been sent I also say there your
grand we want these things
welcome back to be more detrimental to the surrounding area
and Mister chairman reason that I'm I'm not leaving the
motion not to provide comments by the way I think
in the motion we should actually well appreciated optional square
now really I like the fact that the manager clauses
the City marker ... ... is
ask our students he site plan approval I think this
is not an important aspect of marketing a public process
which can certainly deal with issues within the context of
the site plan application I think it should be something
that that's highlighted because not you know we take great
pride have to sign it urban form here in the
city of Markham and that's very much a part of
the site plan application the other part of that speaks
a little bit too some of the issues that ranks
... if it's not actually in the main resolution are
like look man one of the conditions are and you
know not be X. also include the normal units on
the east side of the front portion of the building
on our free no units stocks onto that site fees
these are so high and I'm assuming you tonight maybe
the wrong assumption when I see the lay out of
these don't last I assume that we don't we units
with your answers your marks now monitor would be court
orders ... down there obviously in order to be windows
on the east side now that allow natural light into
those corridors that actually units on that the small most
easterly wall not
on to the eastern
are working on that and not to the east so
back could be it also included in that the rear
portion is fine because it's further away from the residents
and then even with the ... with the green space
there which is not a wonderful buffer ... I think
we should incorporate not dish so we're not procedural will
move on the recommendation I cannot out of lost my
leading that the city of Markham is requesting site plan
we will not be retained by the city of Markham
and then we had and the ... the appendixes runner
condition all units are which means you strictly not necessarily
are on the front wait while the building that is
not on that front
we noticed you are I think this is an IBM
site ... I think we're fortunate in that there is
a popular we need to see unity that allows not
only distance greenery between the existing community and that's not
in this project and is an ideal ... again everyone
comes at this from different perspectives when is this moral
warehouse to go in there and it's not it would
be shocking activity not trucks not running that Solana early
morning or late night now I think someone that is
not being ideal I
and I think it's really nice the prices very very
dignity in our community here her mark and taking early
in York region right now I want to say thank
you shop for sticking with it and and working through
a process that you know it's not easy to find
sites number one and number two you are through whatever
process is that when I say that the planning process
is broken it's broken for everyone because organizations like this
moment your word and we get it you know a
lot of time trying to do these things for the
better part of our community and I think it's an
ideal site marker to the east the residential community and
to the west Palm are we can ... you know
it's all intensive purposes you cannot plaza and it's not
some rock climbing not facility so I don't think there's
going to be certain to the west to the south
this is not it is close not only some of
our retail but even the park in a little bit
should you stop on that three there's definitely an opportunity
here with these residents to be enjoying some of the
amenities that are already in the future and I believe
that seconded by council
next year
thank you next is our trusted keys but Mr Mayor
on your
when the situation it's seventy five meters and three hundred
meters it's a for a lot of ways away from
the residential
it
we just get a clarification the distance of the valley
yes the mayor wants to speak again ons
I just need to be absolutely clear maybe Steven or
someone who just what are the site plan I don't
disagree there is distance I'm just not saying it can't
be any windows I think we should be when the
bills so it's not building number one
east wall of the front portion right there that ...
again I am not opposed to windows that would let
natural light into corridors and things like that it's just
units fronting looking east with Lake are interconnected it was
not all lower rise building I might not necessarily have
an issue with that we just because we are you
know sort of the mid rise here that's really why
I'm making that condition I would be the only portion
is to share on pocket I'm okay with windows it's
just units looking out he's easterly are from that section
the other party in the pocket don't have a problem
with it now because those units as soon where would
he be contributor artists not winning Park Steven a building
one
make there yeah the ... yeah right there are we
don't have a problem with units frankly not to that
area yeah there's not distance and I'm not making the
same requirements building to Mister chair is building number two
was a long term care facility and then we looked
at our
councillor keys
thank you Mr chair ... I just want to share
it I guess some by personal experience here with long
term care and and ... give some perspective I guess
not all of us have had to deal with it
but it was probably ... I guess about five years
ago where my yeah I guess my ninety two year
old father found that he was no longer able to
... support himself in his in his apartment and we
found ourselves having for the first time actually having to
I guess get an education and in the in the
situation in terms of
for our seniors and ... it was quite an education
... ... I discovered very quickly first of all to
get into anything in Markham was a seven year wait
time which ... at ninety two ... that seemed ...
... certainly ... onerous the other was the was actually
the costs and so the so the wait time obviously
relates to the supply
... but the other thing that I I discovered was
that Markham is is in is in terms of ...
the ratio of of long term care and senior beds
for
well as for seniors in the region is one of
the lowest so there's a there really isn't a short
supply ... that's my ... perhaps long winded way of
saying that I'm I'm certainly in support of of any
any increase in the supply whether it's private whether it's
a non profit I believe that increasing the supply is
critical we have to do it
... so I certainly support this project and I would
echo what ... of the mayor said earlier about the
planning process one of the reasons we're seeing the shortages
one of the reasons were saying the high costs it's
not just a matter of of shortages but when you
can't find a place
... because of such a short supply of the prices
are are are quite X. extravagant as well so I
think we really have to do all we can to
us to move projects like this forward ... and ...
and certainly I welcome it so I'm I'm in support
of that all the best that thank you
councillor I see Lee
thank you Mr characterful I again thank you so much
for bringing this presentation up and I agree with well
I I agree with Mr Mayor and also I council
keys and many others I just mentioned I don't want
to repeat anything I just also wanted to share some
experiences I just got a call from a resident at
at much time courting my wife and that she asking
if there if they had the opportunity of foreign ...
to to move to any a long term care to
see if they're actually X. actually a sort of shortage
and ... the resident is actually now living is private
care it is clear and to think that and actually
that that person is living in a private here at
some and they are waiting for it moving up to
long term can't that's why they're living there and there
has been a few years ask you a few months
already so they're actually still waiting for the clock to
get into a long term care and I really understand
how one of brushed out what the situation would be
when their parents at a point where they can't do
you think about all these planning about so I again
I'm unsure project pointing out that application and yes I'll
just yeah I'll just put them connect thank you
councillor McAlpine
... thank you Mr chair ... I will echo I
think most of my fellow councillors that I'm and I'm
very much in support of this I have a father
on the waiting list for long term care so this
hits pretty close to home ... ... I I also
think that this is this is the sort of situation
for which Ms that always word design
... and so from that perspective I think supporting it
as you know the PM's and ... processes good here
it's really unfortunate that the M. that ... protest in
other instances has been used recently in in ... in
Ontario and it's sort of given the process a bad
name but this is exactly the sort of situation with
designed to address in my reading and so I I
have no problem in supporting it ... ... I would
however support ... councillor Keith in in in ...
the notion that there should be some ... public consultation
and I say that based on experience ... and I
know councillor keys was there and I think Deputy Mayor
Hamilton ... we held a community meeting ... a couple
of years ago with respect to a very high level
conceptual notion of of adding maybe twenty ... retirement recordable
retirement units in Ward three and the public opposition was
shocking and with the Chris we sat ... through a
two hour meeting you know hot very crowded ... ...
church hall and ... were yelled after two hours ...
so don't over estimate public support for this when it's
close to people's homes and I think ... as much
as I support this I think that we we can't
be seen because you're simply being railroaded through or ramming
it through so ... I do think that we need
to ... we do need to include some some public
consultation in this process so from that perspective all support
that councillor ... it's amendment I guess to the motion
thank you
councillor right
she
thank you I'm I just have a further comment to
what the massacre if I had appendix E. as well
... question to Stephen
site plan doesn't come back to development services correct it's
author it's them delegated authority to staff
Bob through you Mr chair too councillor ray ... in
this situation they would be coming back to DST
so do we need that in the resolution
so there to make sure it does come back to
DSC
what number times very
do we need that in the resolution that it comes
back to DSC
from
sorry my apologies Austin Mr question maybe I can assist
here this evening share well so I use
... sure yes I can do I can tell you
that there's no need for a resolution councillor ray on
this particular one because it's part of the delegates bylaw
for delegation ... so Biju is on the line the
director of planning and most teams having some audio issues
maybe beach you can clarify the bylaw and in what
instances it comes back in and not so we can
be absolutely clear ... in terms of ... whether you
need a resolution or not so be you could you
just clarify that for us
just one
13 foot account
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I'm sorry
I think
I'm trying to get my most
working here
your most of your money
book book
so
councillor great is that the question that you're asking
yeah I structure
sheriff I could just the structure could just intervene the
best of my recollection is when a road is on
a collector when a story about a project is on
a collector wrote ... that is not delegated to style
I would say though just to be clear we do
want this coming back to committee and I don't think
we should included in this resolution because this is our
comments to the province but we can pass a separate
resolution but because it's on a collector road I believe
that delegated authority is that it's not obligated to stop
it has to come back to development services but I'm
going from recollection we can process separate no motion just
to be clear Bruce Jenner ... I'm I'm online now
... this site plan application for this product will be
coming back to DC at some point the zoning bylaw
this is a common doesn't as commission mentioned is there
a comment to the Ministry told this that matter once
a
it community information meeting if it is to be held
we would need a resolution from council but after back
well we can certainly ... ... students come to the
province the site plan the promise agrees ... right now
under the legislation seven approved is subject is with the
province but if the promise agrees and allows us to
deal with like one application we will bring that back
to DC
and the and the second question I mean I don't
like the and said ... process and I didn't find
out about this until the weekend because I read the
agenda last weekend
until I got an email knowing that there was two
of them on today ... council's February twenty third so
maybe ... what councillor pokedex is a local councillor maybe
have a community information meeting between now and Feb twenty
third to let the residents don't of that are backing
onto this into the side of this know what's going
on so at that time
that might resolve all the issues that there is no
public consultation but it goes every twenty third council hope
could have that community meeting to let the residents know
what's going on
thank you
Posner hall not on mute please
okay yeah thank you Mr chair well I don't mind
you know hosting a sub ... public information meeting however
since you know ... this was not required to eat
a pasta and that's why you know the applicant and
also I was stopped you know ... did not you
know the thing about having public meeting Ed the time
is running short for the applicant so I just don't
want to end up imitating we'll you know ... it
into the process of this application and I I also
think that you know in the future we may be
we need to get out ... have some sort of
public meeting in a fall while ... both of the
issues even under the provincial regulation but not this case
because you know as you all have heard that the
application will expire you know by February twenty eight only
well less than three weeks from now so ... this
case would be you know ... very unique case thank
you
so my understanding is staff didn't know about this until
choosing the gender was already got that's what I would
imagine it and so does have thirty days
Stephen
what
easy my internet or is it your into that because
I just upgraded mine my apologies I'm hearing every third
word ... I heard thirty days isn't and doesn't MTO
after being reported back to the province within thirty days
is that what
yes I know it's it's within 30 days
with my
they're always there is no time
there is no timeline I think the issue here is
the closing up of the property on the end of
that's what the issue so it's not that NCOs have
to be responded to within thirty days okay all right
share researcher ... I'm happy I'm happy again I think
it should be a separate resolution but I'm happy to
include that a public information meeting ... I think that
you know in some respects site
right support.
but in some respects I also think it's it's gonna
be a bit misleading to the public there's going to
be ample opportunity to have those those meetings ... I
should've included destiny are in the resolution I apologize ...
I think this needs to go to council tomorrow and
it's not just about it's not just about their land
deal ... I I think the province of Ontario is
going to be dealing with Amazon does imminently and ...
from my perspective hi I'd like to get our comments
into the problems now they can choose their timing of
when they want to do it if they want to
do it eminently or they want to do it in
two weeks time whatever the case may be but from
my perspective is is from us from a city of
Markham perspective I think we should get our comments in
we can hold public information meetings we got outlined ...
how the project is proposed are obviously deal with comments
a comment from the public on issues that we can
still deal with ... but you know it's it's not
if if the province deals with with them settles imminently
... them out we're not going to get our comments
and and I and I just from my perspective I'd
like to get our common sense and it doesn't take
away our opportunity the whole public information meetings yeah ...
so that's gonna include that in in the resolution because
I think that there's two there's actually a few things
one I I believe and I may be wrong but
I believe the province is that a deal with themselves
imminently so we want to get our comments and to
... you've heard articulated quite well by Maanshan that they're
under a time line to secure at least happen out
I believe that that's okay for them to secure our
this particular property for this purpose and I'll say three
and it's an important one
if they miss this window to proceed
then they will miss probably the window to get funding
in the next phase of of funding and allocation for
beds and that's not to say they'll never get them
... but you know when we have an opportunity with
an organization that's committed to delivering when there is a
a program ... allocation that's going to be coming shortly
... and there's a deadline for that they have really
spoken about that but there's a deadline after that part
of the process as well and if they minutes that
they will miss this rounds at the say that they'll
never get beds in the future I wouldn't say that
but it certainly puts it off to the future and
I don't know again whether anyone from Maanshan wants to
comment on that but ... so I think there's lots
of opportunity for us to go out to the community
and get further impact and and hear from them I
I I understand about that they'll be certain things obviously
we can't change your for an order it is it
is approved but there's certain things we can take into
consideration and work with Maanshan as they happen we've seen
this demonstrated before they tried to do that in in
other projects work with the surrounding not a community obviously
they have to get things done they have to build
an LTC building and the other building but they do
work with the community as well
so I think those are the 3 drivers
and I support the application I think ... we have
the desperate need for a long term care especially ones
are not private
can you please send a copy of the presentation as
well I think yeah thank you had some interesting stats
in there so if you can forward that to the
clerk so we can get a copy would be appreciated
councillor Holtzman
Stephanie along the did you want to say something
then council whose
on your
thank you thank you Mr chair R. thanks Mr Mayor
... forwarding that comp that part of the comments beach
we have not addressed
... obviously through the discussions of impact is very clearly
seen that the support from the scene of a Markham
is critical critical to the Ms it'll close S.
bank going should be Ms that'll process is the likelihood
that we get the right zoning if the items are
those of who's been that with this
let me expedite our application with the ministry of long
term care
this from time to time there were already mentioned facts
up by giving licenses to and our buildings the operator
one of the very important consideration is the operator has
to get the land with right zoning
so imagine that the process let's say everything is approved
today and we have licenses today you have to go
through site plan application we have to go through everything
before we can actually stop build
using our store real long term care the new facility
is an example
it takes us two years to complete the construction and
that is like really fast track construction process not not
too many people can do that
and even taken into account all these where you can
easily imagine when that new long term care facility can
be made available in the city of Markham in a
location which is very good for everybody good for the
families to visit their loved ones and together with that
senior campus that actually can be for the needs of
the more intensive care for the seniors I believe in
the healthy happy environment and that actually helped the community
a lot
that is what Marshall is there for serving the community
and that these we work towards a hundred percent of
our resources and also everything our investments are resources including
people we are working to a hundred percent to make
this project are reasonable and break this arm in reality
thank you Mr chair you
thank you Stephanie next council whose
thank you Mr chair I'll just make my comments very
briefly because I think ... quite a bit has been
said so
to start I'm going to tell you that I am
in support of this application because I know I'm trying
as been working ... in other years ... and I
think it's just that we're lucky that we're gonna be
having this long term care facility and when I heard
that they also want to have a training center there
for the PS W's I think that is fantastic because
to me those are some things that we needed mark
there's a big need for the seniors of Markham
especially ... because of the the pressure that is zero
nine long term care I think this is fantastic and
it would not be a perfect location than what it
is here by the way I live alone again so
I know exactly what it is so ... and we
did it is and I'll tell you something even though
existing debt is for employment use only but I also
it may not be the perfect employment what does this
does have employment of people that will be working for
for the long term get it set up so does
have that and you know and I like that we
have more the man made it very simply that it
would be the real house goes in there I think
this is what the I wouldn't wanna warehouse in my
neighborhood so I personally believe that get all the issues
that we have talked about since morning they're only does
me that this is a perfect location where this ...
you should location communities in DC should be going and
I'm gonna fully support it so the motion as already
being made and seconded and so I'm going to support
this ... ... when it comes to what he might
each account certainly
I'm beautifully
... thank you Mr chair yeah I support among shown
that M. zero application at thirty six apple creek well
I have in depth knowledge on what long Chantiers undisclosed
site facility in Markham and Scarborough
I had an opportunity to visit both locations numerous times
in the last ten years as a member of council
and I am immensely impressed with the lifestyle enjoy but
the resident who lifted
I know the urgency for the neat off long term
care
before slowly for always senior in the city of mock
I remember not long ago I try to apply for
support for my dying mother in law at the motion
on Scarborough and Markham site
she had dementia and language communication issue it would be
greatly appreciated to live in a culture environment that sort
of the
but unfortunately the waiting time what simply unbearable
and he and she died two years ago it puts
you can really realize a dream
so having gone to
the pain waiting
I can wholeheartedly support this application thank you
regional cancer he
I'm thank you Mr chair
it seems like I I I guess we probably heard
from ... ... three quarters of council we haven't heard
from all of you for for three quarters and ...
... everybody including me ... has nothing to say except
really good things about mantra and the need ... and
... at this specific needs for long term care are
and the work they've done ... and I go back
to my ... working with team over the many years
... as well as our first meeting mon Sharman back
in the nineteen eighties um in their downtown area ...
and so ... I think that to ... ... they
brought the right application to is that centre but I
would like to move it an additional clause ... which
... ... ... works towards what I said previously and
I know where some of the councillors have ever talked
about it and ... this would be another a closet
in the ... ... for three or four five I
know the mayor talked about a couple things that and
... those are more site plan but the relationship with
the windows is important for the residents ... to the
east I don't with somewhat similar ... when I was
local councillor over on sixteenth Avenue when a ... seniors
of facility was being built ... and the distance a
little shorter like eighty meters or so and but people
did ask about the ... the higher floors looking into
the backyards each center and it may be that when
we get the site plan we may want to talk
about with Americans a reduced because I think it's important
but also may only apply for a Dutch third floor
and not ... Hey this Matt this release the site
plan so there is the additional cost would be that
the recommendations go to a special council meeting next week
... after four after the holding
of the committee information meeting in the intro ... I'm
very I acknowledge that ... ... ... Maanshan has got
a ... significant deadline we want them to meet the
deadline I think that the ... the ministry is going
to say having issue the letter only last week are
the Ministry is is ... going to say you didn't
respond fast enough if we don't respond ... in five
or six days rather than in a um thirteen or
fourteen days you know what I mean twelve or thirteen
or fourteen days whatever the length would be ... I
would presume that this special council meeting with the whole
double ... within the probably a day ... of ...
unfolding the community there could be a few things come
up with the community ... we know that when we
hold community meetings one of the things that does come
up is parking ... and it could be the plaza
or the business community the employment area they need dust
related to the south or maybe just to the west
... may have some issues that that we need to
think about it parking whether or not we can't that
giving us in general moving the M. general will ...
it would just totally incompatible with parking I don't think
it is ... of the issue about the ... the
distance and ... making sure there's no overlooking the that
it may very well come up ... and there are
ways to members already hinted at the fact that ways
to do that ... and that's good wage I also
think to be one more that will lead I certainly
want to give it some thought anyways and I I
I I think can be answered the ... the roof
river valley ... to ensure that to ... that you
know if there's land that's over the top of bank
that it intentionally it that would go to the city
of Markham etcetera so that would be my recommendation that
the recommendation go to special counsel be next week
after holding a ... community information in the interim this
is very important Mr chair for precedent
this is not just this specific proposal we ought not
to do things that are significant within communities without consulting
the community and I think we can find a time
frame to do it within a week ... that will
meet with the ministries ... ... requirements are will meet
the city of Markham we ought to be able to
hold our head high and say nobody comes to Markham
and makes proposals and tried to do an end run
around our planning system ... without consultation and the consultation
is what's what we do a lot of them very
well so ... I think that it's important that we
hold such a meeting I'm hoping there's a second ...
and I think it meets the requirement for tying up
and meets the requirement for the city of Markham to
do justice to applications that come in front of it
so the public has an opportunity to give input anyway
so that's my my recommendation for net ... an amendment
or a an extra closet is the man that actually
not
councillor home I was gonna ask mayors on a friendly
amendment your motion
yeah thank you Mr Tripp it seems that you know
this application has ... the majority support if not you
know unanimous ... by ... console I wonder if we
can move you know ... you know application to tomorrow's
council meeting because you know they they really need time
and also time is running short and it but you
know we have had you know ... more than two
hours discussion are already and ... everybody understand you know
the situation so well and also you know
have has expressed their full support so ... it could
be done to move it to to most council meeting
okay well the question would be how do you hold
a community meeting between now and that
I'll talk about this application I don't think you know
public meeting will be an issue you know ... all
of this application because note he was not required you
know cost unless you know we changed some summer did
a procedure by law to have probably be taking a
full you know all applications ... ... two and that
... that kind of thing and so is not free
and you know to the application know what to our
stock either so I don't think you know ... and
the public we take would be at least on this
application also I I first of all I wanna know
if there's a second ... ... I had heard there
would be ... ... councillor recount fine or or the
Deputy Mayor what hatch which have both talk to this
matter ... and ... I'd like to get on the
floor so that that the opportunity are is for council
to vote on the matter this is our second year
I can't nobody can get there might unlike general committee
and development services second was councillor McAlpine
R. O. sorry my mistake well then it is on
the floor I don't think ... Mister chair that ...
that ... this is a matter of of ... not
making that deadline ... remember there are two councillors myself
and councillor ray who said he only found out about
this on the weekend I read it Sunday morning ...
and ... and so basically in because of the deadline
which I had no knowledge of I didn't know about
it I still didn't until today know about the knowledge
that we are basically saying we shouldn't consult with our
public we're basically going against the the very purpose of
the development service in the planning system public information public
input and hear what they have to say I can't
think of anything more important than that I can't think
of anything at a higher level of what we should
be doing as a council then consulting with the public
and saying you like this and I bet you they
do like it like our council does but I can't
prove that and neither can anybody else it looks also
repeat I'm asking Americans deserve that much because you had
suggested nationally ministers to council tomorrow
and this Mister chair ... the way it's worded right
now it would have to be ... an amendment that
smoked and seconded and ... I would just say that
I'd like to go to moral ... again I have
no problem with public consultation R. I think to to
do something like that at this point might actually ...
and I know this is not the intent but I
actually might mislead the public
because they think were in control of items at all
... I think that that we're not and and I'd
like to again ... I'd like to get our comments
into the province and if there's more time it's it's
we hear that that there's more time well then now
we can always get more comments ... to the province
something stops us from providing further comment I'm not against
having a public information meeting I just think you know
to try to characterize of the bet that we hold
this and and somehow this is you know again I
think it's indicative of the process I'm not going to
repeat what I said earlier I think unfortunately some of
these things are indicative of the process that needs fixing
... and I know from my perspective ... whether it's
this one or any other one I think we have
an opportunity to comment we don't control the levers Mister
chair but let's be clear about that so when we
have an opportunity to comment and to perhaps influence the
process
we should do it that doesn't mean we can't send
other comments down if if it's been six weeks the
province is not approved then M. zero nothing stops us
from saying a further to our our our comments are
further to our resolution here's something else ... but if
it's an unknown if it is then I'd like some
comments to go down and ... and at least they
get incorporated hopefully we'll keep our fingers crossed because there
may be aspects here I don't know that the province
may not necessarily agree to but at least we put
it on the record and so if the resolution gets
worded that we hold a public information meeting
it in the near future I don't have a problem
with that ... but not getting any comments to the
problems I think ... really leaves us vulnerable even more
perhaps than people may feel we're vulnerable already ... because
we need more time to get them let's get some
comments down there and then we can always add more
to it if we have the luxury of getting more
down now and I hope I've made that clear I
haven't let's just vote on the amendment but I can't
support the way it's worded now
thank you is Mr each of the house or eight
well Mr chair
I I don't think I can't imagine that the problems
who issued a letter to us on the on not
one which is the fifth ... or the second of
February six days ago ... ... requires an answer on
the night one week later our and cannot have an
answer two weeks later ... I I I just find
that it's preposterous and it is I mean it's something
that we should be defending it's not something we should
be because this is the most important decision of what
we're doing we're putting it off the saying okay if
there's official plan there's no proposal for official plan amendment
therefore required about putting it often ineffective site plan ...
really basically says that all we want to do is
we want to decide whether it's the ... that's got
six or seven floors and whether their windows and I
really agree with the mayor on that matter ... windows
facing east on the southern on Monday yeah the southern
building ... and you know it and we could talk
about that one all those kinds of things that's all
we have to do with it I would planning anymore
I mean we have to right now I asked Stephen
I don't know if you can hear us ... but
that Stephen I must say that you're in a perfect
position as a if you were politicians and that is
we can hear you recently ... we can ... taken
all that you're saying you're presentations but you can't work
your work from us H. ... ... which is excellent
for politician because you just back but not for staff
we want you to be able to hear
okay that being said Mr chair I think we I
look forward to the vote on this one because this
one is probably one of the most important votes we've
had in years we're trying to find a way to
meet the requirements of the province as quickly as we
can but we're also defending the Markham's position should consult
our residents before we make important decisions and this is
an important decision it decides that this is going there
I support it every member of council instead they supported
but the consultation should be first not after we make
the decision of ... so anyways we it's on the
floor thank you
call the question
all in favor of demand
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for
a post
one two three maybe just to roll call yes I
can't
6
thank you your local
the question is are you in favor of the amendment
or not
January
Mr
Mr chairman is the reason why we can't on your
own microphone I can't hear you
is there a reason why we cannot
are you in favor of the amendment
no okay next
councillor oh no
councillor McAlpine
yes
councillor right
they start with to check my put out S. on
to the amendment is to have a community caught community
meetings and have a special council meeting next week that's
correct yes so I support that
councillor keys
we cannot know
councillor Collucci
you're not
all
I want
you know councillor whose mind
no
councillor late
now
councillor
their stupidity
the way it's worded in the future sorry
your animal feed
you should let me on mute educationists Austin
that's not
no I can't I just on mute them automatically
yeah
okay councillor he regional council he
yes regional council Lee
what
you know
no
councillor regional cancer Jones is no
she defeated now the motions on the floor of
they're scripted in second by councillor
hold
did you wanna speak Mr Mayor
you know based
I would ask the student council tomorrow and not
this is the motion regional council he wants to make
that ... I don't think we need it as a
motion I would just ask that work councillor and this
is comments the problem with the work councillor and not
launching poster community information meeting thanks for reading I think
we are on the work councillor he's happy to do
that it was just time it ends meet to our
council meeting which again we've got more comments our rate
let me see got some comments so long as the
wording is captured with schools council moral
any
all in favor of yeah thank you no Sir all
so it will be brought to to most consummate take
and also you know public meeting will be held up
to it thank you thank
all in
of the motion
opposed
the C. nobody carried no no I'm opposed to your
post okay yes Mr Mr Turner I'm very much in
favor but we're setting precedent here and it's gonna come
back to us so I'm opposed right now we'll deal
with it tomorrow
okay
anyway that's the motion is carried
what I'm gonna suggest is we take a five minute
break and then we're going to take on the next
Ms adults
should be back to work with you
for the 12
yes
I'd like to reconvene the meeting
you can hear me
this is just you hear me Jack
yes
okay so 6 to 7.2
I have one two three four five six seven I
have some opening date okay city of Markham's comments to
the province on the ministers zoning order request by flat
on developments in to prevent residential development on lands that
fifty four seventy four and fifty six sixty to nineteen
th Avenue
Mr commissioner do wanna kick this off please thank you
Mr chairman for the opportunity
having someone tell you has requested the city of Markham
to provide comments on a proposed ministers owning order
and that has been requested by flat developments incorporated
to permit residential developments on lands at fifty four seventy
four
and 5660 to 19 th Avenue
the proposal Mr chairman is to permit three hundred and
twenty five to four hundred and eighty five single detached
dwellings
hundred ninety to three hundred and eighty townhouses and two
six two eight story apartment buildings with approximately two hundred
forty two three hundred and twenty units
general lines the manager pause here to the city of
Markham he's here with us today
vied you a brief overview of the presentation and then
he'll invite representatives from flooded developments Mr chairman thank you
just like to remind you all that we are leading
you to be able to mute or unmute yourself okay
so please leave your
your microphone on mute do you want
thank you
I'm gonna test that Mr thank you for that
okay good morning or good after that still as good
morning
not only 7 minutes
I will take those 7 minutes Mister chair
hi good morning my name is generalized ends I am
the manager of policy in the development services commission today
I'll be protuberance chin on comments to the province on
a ministers zoning order by flight or developments a corporate
it four five four seven four and five six six
to nineteen th Avenue
in November twenty twenty flat or developments incorporated wrote to
the minister of municipal affairs and housing requesting a minister's
own in order to permit residential development on thirty two
hectare of land at five four seven four and five
six six two nineteenth Avenue as you can see on
the map in front of you it's the two areas
the two polygons shone in the light blue color ...
labeled as proposed Ms at a request
on January fifth twenty twenty one the minister of municipal
affairs and housing or the Ministry staff sent a letter
to the city asking for comments from the city on
this request items that out
the lands within the fleet ... Ms at a request
or designated as agricultural area in York region official plan
the subject lands are also designated countryside and green way
in the Markham official plan
the lands are located outside of the city's urban boundary
and are identified as prime agricultural lands to be used
for our primarily agricultural uses
the lands are also within the white belt
but has some green we features which I'll go into
a little bit further in the stack
in both the York region official plan and Markham official
plan the lands are identified as lands outside of the
urban area and outside of the greenbelt plan area which
could potentially be identified for future urban development through a
future municipal comprehensive review
this is the second ministers owning order request in Markham
from Plato developments cooperated the first minister's zoning order which
I'm outlining here with ... my mouse
is ... was granted by the minister in April of
twenty twenty and area regulation of one seventy two slash
twenty is located adjacent to Dixon help permits three hundred
and fifty three dwelling units on eight point four hectares
in which are still an additional one hundred and fifty
four units on three point five factors within the city
of Markham
with respect to ministers owning orders I'm going to go
over this part a little bit quickly as you had
a very similar ... overview provided by my colleague Stephen
later on the last item but he's actually with respect
to ministers owning orders the planning act allows the minister
of municipal affairs does owned lands anywhere in the province
through a ministers owning order ministers owning orders are intended
to be used to protect our facilitate provincial interests and
the minister's decision to make a ministers owning order is
required to be consistent with the provincial policy statement
minister zoning orders override local official plans and so that
and zoning bylaws
more specifically the fleet ... Ms that a request it
seeks to permit three hundred twenty five to four hundred
eighty five single detached detached dwellings in R. one zone
one hundred and ninety to three hundred eighty townhouses in
R. two zone and to sixty eight story apartment buildings
of two hundred and forty to three hundred and twenty
units in our four zone the proposal also seeks various
exceptions to the R. one R. two and R. four
four zones more specifically looking at minimum lot frontages of
eleven point five meters and a lot area of three
hundred and forty five square meters in the R. one
zone minimum lot frontage on a lot not access by
late of six meters and a Max height of twelve
metres in the R. two zone
and a minimum your rear yard setback eleven meters and
a number of apartment dwelling units of between a hundred
and twenty minimum and five hundred maximum in the R.
four so
... with respect to the current zoning the subject lands
are currently zoned A. one agriculture and our our work
for which is world residential and zoning bylaw three zero
four dash eight seven as amended
with respect to the city staff recommendations essentially recommendation one
is that the city of Markham not support the ministers
owning order request by fleet ... developments a corporation for
the lands at five four seven four and five six
six to nineteen th Avenue and the requested urban boundary
expansion be considered instead through the York region's current municipal
comprehensive review process York region is currently undertaking an official
plan review through a municipal comprehensive review process to address
land needs to the year twenty fifty one
the York region official plan in the market official plan
currently designates land needs to twenty thirty one
as part of the municipal comprehensive review process York region
is completing a land needs assessment to inform land use
needs and allocate population and employment growth to area municipalities
to twenty fifty one
the land needs assessment will apply a region wide approach
to determine how much growth can be accommodated within the
current urban boundary and how much additional land if any
is needed through urban boundary expansions
the land needs assessment is expected to be released in
the coming months and will identify the need in appropriate
locations for any required urban boundary expansions in Markham or
elsewhere in the region to twenty fifty one
once the draft plan needs assessment and forecast for Markham
is released marking council will consider the implications of the
forecast on a city wide basis
the region's municipal comprehensive review process and local planning processes
to comprehensively insured alignment between land use fiscal and infrastructure
planning and to ensure that growth is appropriately directed and
faced across the region and city respectively
as the later ones that ... request lands are located
outside of the urban boundary and council is not yet
considered how growth to twenty fifty one should be directed
city staff is of the opinion that this request is
premature pending completion of the York region's municipal comprehensive review
process and recommends that the city does not support the
sense that ... request
city staff recommends that the requested urban boundary expansion therefore
be considered instead through the York region MCR process and
local planning process
the second recommendation that is provided in our staff report
number two is should the minister determine appropriate to issue
and administer zoning order it is recommended that the minister
consider the zoning standards attached in appendix D. to the
staff report although staff does not support the flood ...
Ms auto request for the reasons mentioned earlier should the
minister determine appropriate to issue this ministers on order we
have provided technical standards for the ministers consideration in that
appendix some of the matters that is looking to address
is that the townhouses be redistributed through the R. one
and R. two designations in the flight for a final
draft Ms that ... in order to facilitate on street
parking street ... tree planting and planning and more appropriate
streetscape
also that the R. one designation be replaced with an
R. two designation with use is restricted to only single
detached dwellings townhouse dwellings accessory dwelling units home childcare and
home occupations
the proposed R. one designation is not appropriate it is
said more typically as applied to areas that transform from
large lot development urban area developments
the introduction of restricted uses under the R. two designation
is in line with the city's design principles of two
car garages on eleven point six meter lots and would
give flexibility to include housing nexus smaller than nine meters
wide with single detached dwellings and single car garages and
the final matter that we have dressed in the index
is that the open space owned should be reflect a
revised to reflect the green we designation in the Markham
official plan as detailed analysis of studies have not been
completed to determine the actual size of the open space
that is why were respond respectfully asking that it would
reflect the current open space ... designation within the official
plan
for next steps stop recommend that this report be forwarded
to the ministry of municipal affairs and housing York region
and the town of which are still bill as the
city's comments on the ends that are requests to be
submitted by Plato developments incorporated for five four seven four
and five six six to nineteen Avenue
so with that ... as it meant been mentioned by
our commissioner I would like to now turn it over
to you should hear from until I from ... Fleta
developments of cooperated and Katarina sleeve what ... from Dentons
on behalf of later development incorporated that I understand I
have a presentation
thank you
yes good afternoon Mr chairman presents a committee can you
hear me OK I can't I can't see a
can you see me now my videos to be honest
it's
yeah
I see an excellent I'm hoping that you can see
this as well because I'm going to be sharing my
screen with you ... to show a presentation here
okay so M. as Mr Lyons said I'm here to
speak to item seven point to the minister's owning order
request for flauto and I'm joined by a ... our
clients and she came from a to let today the
purpose of this and that ... is to further facilitate
the development of lands within the block bounded by nineteen
th Avenue McAllen's still still road and highway forty eight
an area that was included in the joint Markham and
which are still felt ... visioning exercise
I which which should still fill has now and recently
changed to a land use study as you know the
answer to build upon the existing that and that ...
is located to the north and east of the subject
site
is contiguous communities would create a complete community I want
to be clear that the proposed Ms that ... is
located outside of the green belt outside of the oak
ridges moraine and respect the boundaries of the natural heritage
system included in the city's official plan in fact of
the one hundred and ten acres of the property approximately
thirty nine acres will not be developed and will continue
to be protected
opposed develop
and addresses several of the province is priorities include including
increasing housing supply and importantly providing much needed affordable and
senior housing options in the original submission to the province
in November we estimated that the lands could yield up
to eleven hundred eighty five units however since the submission
revisions to the plan have been made and with the
integration of Parks stormwater management facilities and a modified road
network we now estimate that the developer lands could yield
approximately six hundred and sixty units this includes two one
hundred unit apartment buildings which are purpose built rental for
seniors hundred ninety seven townhouse units and two hundred and
nineteen single detached dwellings
the townhouse units will be designed to provide
the townhouse units will be designed to provide a secondary
suite on the ground floor supporting affordable housing options in
the community of the single detached dwellings twenty five percent
will be designed as accessible homes limiting the number of
stairs to enter the ground level it will include a
bedroom on the ground floor and wider hallways to support
mobility devices other enhanced options for seniors and affordable housing
are also being considered with the road and trail network
that would connect into the adjacent and that all areas
these new neighborhoods would be located within walking distance to
a mix of uses including a community center commercial areas
at the smart centres plazas schools and additional parks contributing
to the creation of an complete community and this block
west of highway forty the lands can be serviced flattest
engineering consultants at crozier determined that the preferred option would
be to connect at Sam's way from which are still
felt for both water and sanitary these servicing connections would
benefit Dixon Hellebuyck sending servicing to the hamlet limit in
the time that I had before you today but I'm
happy to answer additional questions regarding the servicing options should
you have any flattest team review the staff report and
the submissions sense to the city by residents I also
understand that the son of the farmer who sold these
lands has raised some concerns he would like to continue
to form his own lands and that's fine and this
proposal was not interfering with his lands remaining twenty six
submissions appear to be identical ... but for to the
speaks of concerns about health and well being and Markham
stay sustainable complete communities the proposed community addresses just that
there's also mention of the Ms ... circumventing public engagement
however this meeting today is not the first opportunity for
public engagement as you know as part of the highway
forty eight visioning exercise to public meetings were held in
Markham and additional meetings were held in Richard Stossel what's
more is that there will be a statutory public meeting
for this proposal at the draft plan approval stage and
site plan approval with respect to concerns raised regarding headwaters
and the not
full employment letters environmental consultants are working closely and will
continue to work with a T. RCA to respect the
requirements and guidelines with respect to the suggestion that they
should wait for the MCR the MCR is anticipated to
be completed image twenty twenty as Mr Prasad said this
morning waiting for the MCR takes a very long time
seniors housing and affordable housing are issues that the province
has identified as a priority they're issues that exist not
just in interior or Canada but frankly around the world
we've been discussing these challenges for years and they continue
the pandemic has brought these issues into the spotlight like
never before the issues with this vulnerable segment of the
population have touched so many of us the solution is
not just in the retirement home in long term care
beds after appropriate opportunities for seniors to live within our
community are missing this is one of those moments where
my personal my professional life have intersected recently I was
recently in a position to really experience how the lack
of having our aging population close to us within our
communities and inappropriate housing is problematic my grandmother's I'm health
turned very suddenly for the worse ... until then she
was living alone without someone close by to her situation
deteriorated quickly and resulted in hospitalization by the time I
was able to get to reach we need appropriate housing
for senior ones that allow them to stay close to
their family friends and within their communities this community provides
that option
the provincial government has focused its resources on exploring solutions
on doing something about this now I commend the city
of Markham for actively pursuing solutions and moving the dial
with the mayors affordable rental housing strategy let us team
join the zoom call last week to participate in not
important undertaking we will continue to stay engaged what is
proposed here will respect the strategy and providing innovative solutions
to address housing affordability the city seeks waiting for the
outcome of the MCR as a lost opportunity to round
out this part of Markham adjacent to which are still
felt the proposed community it is an obvious pocket to
include within the proposed community with McAllen as a natural
boundary the presentation that I circulated for this meeting includes
an overview of the community very much like the one
proposed here the plateau created in Dundalk including the seniors
rental we respectfully request that the committee and council support
the sense at all because these affordable units and seniors
rental housing are needed in the community and every community
the proposal provides an opportunity for Markham to address these
needs thank you for your time and for allowing me
to make this deputation as I said ... Mr remit
to let joins us today and is happy to answer
any questions
before we take any questions do I'd like to do
that the deputations the site okay
Mayor script any
one minute you're on mute yourself
thanks Mr chair and I don't want I appreciate you
want to hear from the documents but could either stop
or the consultant just walk us through a little bit
more on the mapping ... I want to be clear
how big this site is how much is being preserved
obviously through the green belt and then our own our
green Waye system and I want to understand the status
of the ... the development on on the north side
of our boundary in which church stole gold and you
you talk about your I heard the consultant mention complete
communities a one understand the relationship between the two sorry
to take extra time but I hope that this information
will be helpful to not only members of council but
the public as well Mr Mayor before somebody answers yet
we've made the decision to defer the Markham center to
another date
okay
start up information from the city L.
what's that
can I have a motion to June move that
moved by regional council Heath and second by council right
now we move it to another date and that's the
only topic that's going to be on the agenda
all in favor
opposed carries okay now whoever is supposed to answer your
question Mr Mayor please answer
thank you Mr chairman through you start to ... the
Mayor if I could just share my screen again here
and I do appreciate the question of land with a
five minute deputation the Mets ... I have to go
very quickly ... so the lands in question are here
if you can see my cursor
and and over here
and the and I'm single lands and which are still
feel are just just about over here
clear to starting around but the sign clear there was
a a previous smaller and several I thought the cocktail
with the lands you just pointed to an which should
still are they already designated by names ... at all
or is it is that happening concurrently
no assistance Mr Mayor three Mr Jackson and answer the
question D. lands in which are still fell and the
pocket over here and and and and I hope you
can see my cursor ... R. M. settles and that
are already issued by the province and if they have
rezone the lands to ... a similar use that Sam
is being requested with respect to the lands here so
a community that is geared for seniors
okay so that whole purple outlined the area in which
it sold well is already approved correct it's one of
the blue as I remember that one I remember that
one I just didn't appreciate that okay so site sorry
to break your flow of trying to the question I
just want to get back where to gauge thank you
no problem happy added to address any questions to help
clarify the presentation and the Ms that all that is
required assisted ... it so with respect to the unit
count you'll see here the notation that of what is
being ... asked a or what is being proposed R.
six hundred and sixteen units and I provided a breakdown
... in my presentation but I'll mention that again those
six hundred and sixteen units includes two one hundred unit
apartment buildings which are proposed to be ... purpose built
rental for seniors and a hundred and ninety seven townhouse
units ... as well as two hundred and nineteen single
detached dwellings
perhaps this is Jim done version of the album
of the concept might be helpful
and on the third page of the concept plan and
just to clarify a little bit of intersection servicing you'll
see at that I mentioned the servicing option as if
you could follow my cursor along here ... for both
water and wastewater is ... Ward Sam's way ... and
coming from which are still
could you run up you're gonna have more could you
just again reiterate the total size of the urban area
and how much is and and also kind of maybe
highlighting it forswear that situated how much is in the
green belts and the green way
through you Mr chair D.
area of the proposed Ms that owes is one hundred
and ten acres
approximately thirty nine at acres are in the green belt
... you'll see the two areas here
and natural heritage and the thirty nine acres will not
or not proposed to be developed a the will continue
to be protected
so that's
just shy about half of the area that would would
be proposed to be developed
so the natural heritage area would that also be defined
as our green Waye system in Markham's official plan just
so I'm clear
through you Mr Terry yes that that that's correct ...
the natural heritage system the greenway system is being protected
and are
the consulting team at SLR is working with the T.
RCA and with mark on to ensure that that's the
case I believe this is the area here that your
residence
and you shorter servicing
... and I wasn't really clear guests which is are
those lines representatives of both water and sewer the orange
lines are they is one water one sewer
the Orange Line ... I'll take you through the options
of this Orange Line that's coming through Sam's way as
some external sanitary servicing options ...
what what is proposed or the preferred option for the
external sanitary servicing is up through Sam's way ... force
main gravity twinning ... sewage is collected at the pumping
station and that that is over here if you could
see the the area where my cursor is ...
so do we just collected at the pumping station shown
in games nineteenth Avenue and pumped via the force main
internally through fly does lands to Sam's way ultimately just
charging to the main why DSS sewer trunk on Nightline
and that's the orange I dotted line with the arrows
that you're seeing there there is the option to twin
a portion of the story through nuclear arsenal subdivision shown
in the thin red line ... just here if you
could again see my cursor
... asked the judge that as was suggested by which
are still feel otherwise it can be a direct force
main connection all the way to through ... all the
way tonight line
another option ... is shown here with the other Orange
Line ... going across nineteenth Avenue and that's also forced
me an option so we just collected at the pumping
station shown at nineteenth Avenue and pumped via forced me
directly to nine flying why DSS sewer trunk there are
also two alternatives ... that that have been campus that
bring ... the sanitary south of but ...
if the what when where and what is important to
note is that the sanitary sewer can be provided ...
it would also provide an opportunity to
... to the community or the hamlets ... with respect
to all of these options that would be the
with respect to water and through you Mr chair all
water servicing can be supplied by existing water main connections
that sounds way and highway forty eight preliminary water modeling
supports this option so that's the option I walked you
through earlier there will be no water connection points to
the Markham system importantly water main extension again can be
provided to the Dixon hill community to service the hamlet
and lastly ... there's stormwater management ... that I can
get into in detail but I can just simply say
that to onsite onsite stormwater management ponds will treat runoff
from the Markham and zero two lands east and west
of the parcels and three stormwater management ponds will be
provided on the still feel entitled to lands and one
underground storage facilities provided to treat stormwater on the M.
settlements I just I do want to clarify though ...
that I raise these at this overview where these options
just to ... show that there are options that have
been considered with the preferred option at Sam's way and
the options will be explored working with city staff going
forward in the committee today is not being asked to
approve any one of the ... options that I walked
you through
just one last thing Mr Churkin you shorts at least
you know not all post secondary but just the major
collector roles I understand the interface between
are the 2 communities
I think that this would be helpful you have to
bear with me three Mister chair ... Mr Mayor I
I'm a lawyer not a land use planner so this
is a job exactly my area of expertise but we
have ... D. major roads that are showing I you
have nineteen W. across here ... it does does lands
are bounded by McAllen ... up to still so road
that gets a little bit much further north than what
we're dealing with ... and then highway forty eight that's
the the boundary of as I mentioned in my presentation
of the community focuses on connectivity cement connecting the proposed
community to the community that was approved of the order
... rezoned by way of the met and settled into
which are still fell and the Ms at all in
Markham ... and provides opportunities for connections right through the
community and to the commercial of plaza on the other
side of highway forty eight
I hope that answers your question Mr Mayor thank you
thanks Mr chair what one question I have
do not map
there isn't
all the lands all the lands and still built that
are in the Ms and all Ms not all have
been approved by still built council is that correct
the lands that are in is still still ... have
been zoned for development by way of the minister zoning
order ends ...
there was a in that the highway forty eight visioning
exercise that was under way that considered the development of
the disease a statement of of both Markham and which
are still felt dot division ing exercise has now been
converted to a land use studies so we are with
Markham and and which are still full staff working through
that exercise ... with our client and it's planners and
... engineers and transportation consultants an environmental consultants ... we
are also working through the draft plan of subdivision process
Mister chair my question is if this is gone through
several built council and they have
... the Ms at all they're working down to the
property sector
that is correct Mister chair thank you for clarifying that
it that is correct but council in which are still
feel did support and the Ms that ... that was
issued a rezoning the lands and in which are still
okay now
should I take the questions are should I do the
Deputy that's
I was gonna do the jacket transcendent
get finance Jack first on the list is Alan research
she there
no
unmute yourself Alan
I don't see
okay next is a
Peter me eyes that
okay ... I presume you can hear me I can
hear you yes a great I'm representing the union will
residents association in this application you've heard the background from
... the previous speakers we strongly endorse the staff recommendation
that Markham not support this Ms at all request we
can't undo what's still real is done but Markham conserving
speak for itself and the U. R. A. has always
opposed spot zoning that goes against official plans or secondary
plans come in the staff report really says it all
the R.
regional comprehensive municipal comprehensive reviews under way it's going to
produce a lands needs assessment that'll tell us the appropriate
amount location and freezing of any urban boundary expansion from
Markham and the staff report also points out the need
for a secondary plan and that was raised in question
but the Mayor like to collect a road network things
like that and so until these two plans are in
place the land use plan and the secondary plan no
spot zoning should occur I want to note that ...
the lands are about three kilometers beyond the future urban
area which is a which is intended to handle handle
Markham's growth to at least twenty thirty one
... and the lands need assessment is very important because
this white belt land may not be needed until well
into the future
you're going to hear it later not today I guess
but ... that the options for Markham center include a
population of about a hundred and one thousand
... versus forty thousand in the twenty ten growth strategy
that's sixty thousand people less
what into the white belt
that's really important that may tell us that we don't
need these flat ... lands in Markham until beyond twenty
fifty one which is the
the outlook for the uh plan it's important to that
market may indicate to the ministry that we do not
support this Ms that'll request the ministry stated publicly that
every Ms that'll made by the minister on non provincially
owned land has been at the request of the local
municipality
and I'm quoting here the government does not consider municipalities
to be special interests and what can you do work
with local governments to accelerate priority provincial and municipal projects
so it sounds like the ministry will heed Markham's opposition
to the ends at all and will not issue it
if we indicate we are opposed and I think we
should be opposed so let's pursue that path thank you
any questions of Peter
seeing none next is Alexis edge
yeah
she's
good morning can you hear me
yes I can okay great our server good afternoon I
guess twelve thirty ... thank you I chaired committee members
I appreciate the opportunity to ... to speak to you
today on item seven point two ... my name's Alexis
I chill well and I live in Markham village I
previously spoke to issues related to this area in may
of last year I just want to take this very
brief opportunity to acknowledge all of your hard work and
service in our community at this extraordinary time ... I've
been following long waste your meetings and communications your immense
efforts to keep our constituency state and supported has not
gone unnoticed so I just wanted to take a moment
to say thank you
... I'm here today to encourage you to adopt planning
staff's recommendation and should not endorse this Ms at all
on the northern edge of marca I think it's really
important that we decouple the request from the applicant our
gratitude to Mr until of for his generosity in our
community is universal however it's incredibly vital that we disentangle
the philanthropy from the facts associated with this case ...
blinder anonymous recruiting and job applications are now extremely common
I might argue that we may be using anonymous development
applications out sometime soon so we can really fairly consider
the implications of request like these so today I implore
you to suspend your bias and consider this case through
the lens of an average citizen here today asking to
be exempted from a process that keeps all of us
healthy able to meet lifecycle financial obligations and considers the
long term needs of future generations
and Santos I would argue invite chaos taking in orderly
and transparent process and incinerating it staff and city wide
priorities are shuffled from projects that are already in the
queue and landowners patiently waiting for consideration are penalized as
a result this chaos cost time time costs money and
what was supposed to be sold as a tool for
cutting so called red tape in actual fact could make
more of it as a local taxpayer I contribute to
the professional the planning department's here end up the region
Ms it does cut out the expertise of our professional
planners and associated conservation authority so I ask you is
the perceived short term benefit of this and that ...
override the long term cost of the chaos it creates
the intent of these tools were historically in urgent circumstances
where there was a declared emergency ... queen's park now
courage is their water use is part of a COVID
recovery strategy to bring shovel ready products projects online rapidly
unlike the previous and settled here today this is not
shovel ready it is not solving a local universally agreed
upon emergency even though it might offer some affordable housing
which I'd knowledge is the dire region wide crisis this
highly difficult car dependent location is mismatched to this challenge
at the region their ongoing conversations about servicing the critical
importance of which is not to be under under rated
we don't have clear answers from the region
for up already approved growth ... in our region and
how that will be managed so we don't have answers
for this location either does anyone have an answer to
whether we can afford to service this area over the
lifespan of the infrastructure who will be denied servicing capacity
to accelerated development here endorsing this concept prematurely presents a
massive risk when we just don't have the solutions in
place right I don't see how this committee can justify
endorsing and I'm set out when the project is not
at all shovel ready my last point I'll try and
wrap up very quickly B. where the unforeseen consequences of
endorsing this some of you are are thinking this is
just a small thirty somebody or parcel tiny footprint in
the context of the big wide world but it is
beyond urgent that we meeting fully consider future growth with
greenhouse gas emissions emissions in mind growth must adhere to
a robot robust mitigation strategy and my fear that it
is the decision here today triggers a domino effect the
urbanized is Marcus remaining farmland in the northeast this and
that ... could be the third edge at the edge
of the wedge that launches an assault on the lands
not currently within the urban boundary you call them white
belts I called them prime agricultural lands and class one
soil they are exceptionally rare and we have a shared
obligation to protect them they both represent our best opportunity
to sequester carbon and make prudent use of ecosystem services
one thing is for sure we cannot do any of
those things if we allow organization to take them out
of service we're in a climate crisis the way to
emerge from called it is not to loosen the policies
that help us preserve a livable planet for future generations
we must lean into those policies and make them more
robust please respect the recommendations you're planning professionals thank you
thank you any questions of Alexia 9 regional council he
I have ... no questions ... Mister chair I thought
that presentation was the one of the best I've ever
heard I just would like her to submit it to
the clerk clearly she was reading yet ... and therefore
it's written down and therefore I'd like to have it
in the record yes she would submit it to the
clerk so that we can I read it as well
later
and I must say I admire the picture in the
background although you'll never create a market like that Alexis
because we ain't got no amounts but everything else we're
trying to do thank you
now it a lane Ms Valentine a researcher is here
ready to go
hi there arm just give me one second yeah
see for her my name is Alan research
I'm the owner of kind yoga a small business that
is operated in mark and for the past five and
a half years I was raised on these agricultural lands
and was immensely privileged to have natural nature directly outside
my doorstep
giant trees and wild grasses as my please state whenever
I desired I think wrap these lands became so much
more than a playground he became where I got my
first job where I learned the value and satisfaction of
hard work the work that goes into growing harvesting and
delivering the food that nourishes me day in and day
out
at eighteen years old I left home and traveled explored
many corners of the world mesmerized by the beauty of
these places but deep down I miss home I miss
Ontario and our beautiful lush farmland in the powerful community
that exists within it sometimes it takes leading to realize
what you left behind I had spent time in places
where the soil is so dry and undernourished that food
is frighteningly scarce I saw places where clean water was
a luxurious expense and a resource that is not easily
accessed I saw places where communities are struggling day by
day make ends meet because of their lack of natural
resources
growing up my aunt and uncle always told me to
whom much is given much is expected and those words
have stuck like glue we stand on some of the
world's richest yet most endangered soil which provide which provides
the most basic human need food we must protect it
twenty sixteen census of agriculture reports at a hundred and
seventy five acres of workable farmland are lost every day
to development that's one average size farm vanishing every forty
eight hours many are unaware that tragically once developed or
converted to other uses farmland is permanently lost for agricultural
purposes for thousands of years
the loss of this land is an urgent issue issue
and due to the unsustainable urban expansion practices of the
past century much of the world's food producing soil has
been subject to sailing the station erosion drought flooding and
permanent degradation as concerns about climate change and the loss
of in the invaluable land escalate many worry about food
scarcity and many producing countries around the world are facing
the same pressures due to endangered farmland in a world
that is on the verge of a critical tipping point
of a global climate catastrophe supporting this and DO which
would destroy more of our land some of our country's
most valuable and would be a calamitous mistake another shameful
addition to our history textbooks we're running out of time
environmental scientists warned that humans have very little time meeting
to change our direction before the world as we know
it faces your reversible damage I speak on behalf of
my generation when I say that was beyond frightened of
the impending consequences of past generations environmental choices
over the past five and a half years two thousand
plus students out my yoga studio which is surrounded by
farm fields and nature's have connected with the lan experiences
experiencing it's healing capabilities they're becoming more passionate about its
importance as a result I speak for myself and our
community when I say that this land is a rare
gem increasingly more valuable as the struggle with climate change
worsens we live in a world of finite resources and
the long term damage to the Rouge river watershed and
our rich lands that we so heavily rely and will
cause your personal damage supporters of this Ms Addo CD's
rich lands located just outside the city as flashing neon
dollar signs choosing to turn their heads from looming environmental
consequences I speak from the perspective of someone from the
younger generation time is not in our favor but we
have just enough of it to fix mistakes and make
things right I urge you to make the logical and
ethical choice and refuses Ms auto and meeting believe protect
our farmland and watersheds for future generations thank you
regional council he I'm the same age I think she
has a written speech she gave a very well ...
and it was right in front of Ryan I don't
know but if she does I'd like to read it
again so do you have a written speech Alan yes
all then please give it and send it into the
clerk ... it was very good and birch I have
to ask who is your and local I. J. in
Merion research oh oh oh oh your I know him
well thank you
your uncle
next is Valerie Berkes
next
who should
she there
Valerie Berkey and their
we will catch up in a minute if you still
are
one of
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Maryland Ginsburg's
it's
hello regional councillor Jones can you save me I can
see your iPhone Maryland's iPhone I don't see your picture
I can hear you let me see
okay
now we can see
right thank you my name is Maryland Ginsburg I've lived
in Thornhill for thirty nine years I'm opposed to the
flood of development application for items that ... I understood
the reason for them on trying application it did not
oppose
having said that you could not have scheduled a more
dramatic contrast and to Ms that ... applications if you
tried
in my view there is one reason and only one
reason that any member of Markham council would focus in
favor of the slot allow publication
that is because water development is a local up standing
developer and is owned by a local civic minded nice
guy that is all this application has going for it
is not enough bands diminish and degrade the entire planning
protests of the city of Markham I hope not because
there are quite a few other upstanding local developers who
are civic minded nice guys just waiting in the wings
to see how this application is handled before they get
on the bandwagon and request their own themselves
so what does this application have against it everything else
to begin with it doesn't comply with the basic requirements
the minister so anymore the sounds that ... would not
be used to protect our facilitate matters of provincial interest
any more than any other housing development anywhere in Markham
or in the rest of Ontario in spite of the
developers now including what they're calling seniors rentals not good
enough we are not working which church still overall and
there is no critical time period for this development no
lost opportunity
after recognizing that the application simply does not comply with
the basic elements of it and said oh we move
on to some of the other reasons why it should
not be approved
as a matter rock American farmers stated in his written
submission the constant destruction of agricultural land for housing is
endangering Canada's food security and water quality and supply we
cannot continue to go blindly down this path and it
nor the effects it will have on future generations at
some point we have to begin to live up to
our responsibilities to them why not now
Mr rock also raised another excellent point where council approves
and Ms at all for this kind of project it
serves the developer but ignores the planners the environmentalists the
conservationist the agriculturalist and the rights of ordinary citizens who
voted you all into office in order to serve our
interests and plan our city in a way that makes
sense for all of us in the long run
what else would you have to ignore in order to
vote in favor of this application you'd have to ignore
the York region official plan two thousand ten the Markham
official plan two thousand fourteen the local zoning bylaw and
the recommendations of your own planning staff
Furthermore you would have to ignore the very definition and
purpose of planning
this application that you have before you has nothing to
do with planning this is what you're planning staff is
trying to tell you this is reacting the residents of
Markham elected you to plan responsibly for our future not
to react favorably to every Ms auto application that every
nice developer brings before you as the deputation by the
Unionville residents association said this is spot zoning and I
might add sponsoring of the worst kind
over the past several years Markham council and many other
municipalities have strongly objected when the province increased the use
of Ms ... does when it increased the authority of
the local planning appeals tribunal when it diminish the authority
of the Toronto region conservation authority and when the province
decrease the required park land allotment for each new housing
development and why did you object to these changes
because they all decrease your ability to plan your sit
these future
if you approve this new flat ... Ms Addo you
diminish your own authority to plan when you lose you
then lose credibility with your residence and Markham's residents associations
because we see the inconsistency you cannot object when the
province diminishes your authority to plan and then intentionally and
publicly do it yourself
make no mistake this application is as one of the
previous doctor Chen said the financial the wedge a future
Ms that ... applications for developers who want to avoid
the cost house bill and delay admittedly that is involved
in allowing you to actually use your authority and exercise
your responsibility as elected officials to plan for the long
term and sustainable future of our city
I agree with the mayor the planning process has problems
but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater
I urge you to stick with the plan and turning
down this application thank you for your attention
questions aha Matthew rock
good afternoon Mr chairman here me yes we can't
my name is not rock
I would like to address the chair and mayor in
council
I'm a farmer Martin I'm a lifelong Markham resident
and I intend of farm market for the next fifty
years
I heard you do not endorse most recent and then
a request by flight of Development think
this land is upon the roof watershed minutes on class
one form and
it's agricultural land that feeds Aspin underpins our economy
contrary to public perception Austin park land is a scarce
resource and we're losing farmland at alarming rates
the agricultural industry represents nearly half of the Ontario economy
and development on farmland is the most imminent threat to
the security of our food and to our economy
from 1996 to 2016
Ontario lost one point five million acres of farmland to
development
we are of the minuscule
of the seven billion people on earth who have access
to clean fresh water
as we March forward in the twenty first century the
value of our freshwater resources cannot be understated
the world knows this
lane twenty twenty water features BKN trading on the Chicago
mercantile exchange
this move indicates the first commodification of water and the
recognition of the increasing scarcity of clean water in this
world
the lands of concern carry significant identifiers including source water
protection areas
significant groundwater recharge areas and highly highly vulnerable aquifers
downlands forested wetlands are crucial in the recharge
about can you hear me OK
yes
yes we can you hear me OK Bustos thank you
Thurman's forests and wetlands are crucial in the recharge of
aquifers and the safeguard of our watersheds
last year in keeping with Martin's official plan market began
at approximately three thousand acre residential development
this development constitutes a major to loss of class when
farmland in the critical impact on sensitive watershed areas
of these developments zones are known as the Angus one
the person land the Robinson landed Act for England blocks
the land stretches from Woodbine Avenue to Macau Roque ...
major mackenzie drive north Elgin mills road it constitutes the
majority of three major American blocks hundred twenty million square
feet
and or 12 square corners of my concern
and those are not consistent with markings official plan estate
sustainable and complete communities and zero compromise their ... planning
processes and practices and zero circumvent public engagement and this
indicates that citizens scientists and planners input is not considered
in it's not important
this and that ... will compromise their crash water little
compromise our food security and ... compromise our
the need for short term gain will permanently destroy
Mr Sparling administer fresh water
we need to think about long term investments
please adopt a staff recommendation and notify the minister of
housing and municipal affairs as well as MPP Paul Calandra
that this and that I was on welcome and not
in keeping with markets growth strategy thank you
next is a Richard Reese are
you can see here okay I'm here yeah good afternoon
okay
go ahead
Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor council town staff and administrative support
staff
I appreciate the work you do is elected representatives and
public servants
I recognize that the way to the office is heavy
in difficult times and faced with difficult issues
you for your service
I recently learned of the MTO request by flight or
developments for properties on nineteenth Avenue east of McAllen
I'm speaking today to voice some concerns and to raise
some questions
I will first introduce myself
I am writing as a partner in a farm business
based in Markham style area our farming operation produces crops
on multiple properties within Markham and York region and elsewhere
in southwestern Ontario
and so the stir United States we primarily produce fresh
market vegetables
no doubt many of you have consumed some of my
products
I will I'd also that for number of years I
served the town in Markham on the agricultural advisory committee
I have an interesting public policy and in particular through
it
and sustainable food systems policy
so it is through this lens that I won't comment
today
I would like to add a disclosure
I'm speaking today as an individual with a long history
of farming in the community
I also have a relationship with the lands in question
due to a family connections with the previous farming family
N. as a farmer on the land in question in
recent years I also the farm properties in Markham one
by the town so I have an interesting maintaining farmlands
within mark although I would argue my interest in maintaining
Farmington market are not financially related
I'm sure many of you have been made aware of
the classification of the remaining farmlands within markets namely that
they are primarily class one and class two farm lands
these types of land are characterized as having good natural
fertility Armacell type that is not drone drug problem and
the lands are naturally sloped providing good natural drainage without
being at risk of erosion
by and large this describes a property being considered for
development
there are other features to mark and farm land that
are less likely to be appreciated
as a former operating across the white production area I
have the privilege to be able to manage crops across
a wide range of soil types implemented conditions
based on this experience I can say without reservation
at the farm lands contain within working among are among
the best I farm
this is due to soil type it also has to
do with a moderate
excuse me Sir
has to do with the moderating effects of the Great
Lakes that surround our growing region
the lakes provide
last year for regular rainfall making irrigation and necessary
additionally the lakes provide a barrier that keeps airborne tests
from coming into our region from the southern U. S.
and therefore minimizing the need for either synthetic or botanical
pest control in short marking lands can produce high yielding
crops of high quality with the fewest resources
this is why I am interested in this issue in
the end C. O. application before us
in light of these factors I will eventually be questions
for you to consider
one
have you considered the local environment environmental impact of removing
in perpetuity high quality land which provides ecosystem services and
naturally produces high quality crops for our community
question to
have you considered the larger environmental questions related to climate
change namely that by removing highly productive land in mark
and you are all things being equal transferring agricultural production
to region of the world not currently in agricultural production
it is most likely that the lands needed to be
brought into production are either tropical forests rangelands these are
lands containing substantial carbon sinks both in the trees covering
the lands
and his style organic matter present in the soil's carbon
sinks that will be released into the environment exacerbating the
problems associated with climate change
question three have you considered the opportunities keeping the Markham
farmlands and agricultural production have for both economic activity and
the social well being of your credit and your citizens
question for
have you done an analysis which considers the economic environmental
and social benefits to estimate the net present value and
keeping the land in agriculture compared to developing it and
destroying it in perpetuity
I will summarize by asking what is the rush to
decide
I encourage you to take some time to reflect
Martin soils and nursed my family and the wider American
community for
well over
200 years
all
before that the same soils provided food security for the
wind that makes and populated region
as a council
you're in position to make a decision that will have
everlasting consequence
I urge you to take your time choose wisely
thank you for the opportunity to share my concerns thanks
thanks for your
I guess another another recent generation
open normal
Mr
regional councillor eight ... thank you right I don't know
if Richard sent in his comments I know the previous
speaker hats ... ... I don't what Richard did you
send in the comments or your because clearly you're reading
something and it's very important but agriculture ... yes you
haven't said that in the clerk yes senator the clerk
I'd appreciate that thank you
okay thanks Richard Jack Reacher
it's
thank you for the opportunity to speak today can everybody
hear me okay I can hear you but I don't
know we are I see it now okay ... I
would like to speak up for the city
even though council does not have the pecuniary interest in
the development project I feel like the city does the
city has signed contracts with water developments force once you
have a flatter market view perhaps some of the things
that I'm not aware off and these contracts are not
insignificant
on the fire I understand it correctly that the city
will receive over two million dollars on over the course
of the contracts ... correct me if I'm wrong on
any of these things so this being the case I
believe it is inappropriate for the city to receive applications
replied of Development at this time while being a beneficiary
of Saddam's generosity of the city
... to avoid any hint of conflict of interest I
would encourage plateau to consider making their generous contributions in
other ways in the community I feel really strongly that
for our flagship to be ... giving money to the
city for very good things and then coming to the
city for ...
favors not a favor by making significant request of the
of the of the city I think that it's
inappropriate and ... I want to encourage flagyl and thank
them for their generosity but I think it makes for
a very difficult decision for council so for the above
mentioned reason I would encourage you expect council to reject
this application and to follow staff's advice three gardens application
continue the plan growth in the bottom of the market
is known for
so thanks yup to speak today and ... to Mary
counsel if you continue to make important decisions ... in
very challenging times thanks very much
okay thank you
I have the lawyer from Dentons if she wants to
say anything more and then secure and then we'll go
to lunch this
thank you Mr chair ... I defer to Mister ram
a to let this time since I did have an
opportunity to speak unless there are specific questions for me
so she here with your permission I would just basically
first of all like to thank each and every one
who spoke and I respect all over their concerns ...
I believe in farming I believe in farms I believe
everybody in everybody doing business to raise their family all
have to work everybody has their own way of ...
earning money somebody's a farmer somebody's a doctor somebody's under
somebody works at Tim Horton's somebody is going to be
building communities we all have our own things we respect
everybody as far as trees and Rouge and environment is
concerned I think I am very very very big supporter
of the trees the environment and the green spaces if
you can see on the plan you have to look
at it very carefully a lot of land surrounding this
... proposed a community which is like very very very
small if you look at it ... the over plan
of the city of Markham eight it's like it's protected
by a green belt we're not requesting the province or
anyone to touch the green belt we're not proposing anything
on the green belt
this green belt was studied by the province and Bambi's
lines were drawn up and we're respecting them the city
of Markham has commented on the natural heritage system they
have the the Markham Green Bay plan if you look
at on our on our proposal the line ... which
we believe is smaller than what the town is proposing
so we're respecting what the city of Markham is proposed
because we know all the city of Markham has done
a lot of work they have a hard environmental experts
and they must have studied this for a long time
which I know the date and then the lines were
drawn so we respecting them as far as working with
the with the city and their trees ... and all
those things we are going to be working with the
tier CA one hundred percent the application which was approved
by the city of Markham in our first ... Ms
that'll in Markham ... ... last year we ... tron
is the city of Markham and that's exactly what we
have done that we would come in for a draft
plan ... application I am of subdivision which we have
done and then we are going to have a statutory
public meeting through which we are going to listen to
each and everyone in the general public which we have
done so we have a we have completed all the
studies we had a pre consultation meeting after the ministers
on an order was issued we had a public we
we had a complete consultation meeting we were required to
do a number of studies which we have done ...
including an environmental study we met with the T. R.
C. A. R. consultants our staff we all met with
with the DRC A. we walk the site and the
tears you came back and said no no guys you
need doing trees a little bit of a buffer over
here we lost a few homes over there we said
fine because we respected we have to work with everyone
so we are not touching any language is in the
green belt or would just protected by the city of
Markham or by the province yes if you're building yes
we're gonna build on our own lands but we are
not affecting any farm land which is owned by anyone
else and I respect all the farmers out there I
respect and I like you guys keep on doing what
you guys are doing because you feed you feed us
like I do my job you do your job the
dentist will do their job the doctor will do their
job we all need different professions to do their things
so I respect all of you guys I respect all
of your comments we are going to work with the
with the city and with the tier CA and with
the region once the ministers on orders approved we are
just getting the designation we have to come back to
the city for a pre consultation meeting and then the
city will tell us do these ten or twelve studies
will do those studies Dan will have to post a
board on the sign on the site of what we're
proposing the end there will be a statutory public meeting
at that time then people will come in they will
go to the DSE then it will come back to
the council then we'll come back to be Essien council
again for the site plan applications so that's the process
we will be going through and then the major major
major thing I would just like to clarify maybe some
of the speakers ... and some of the people may
not know is that this development and bees drawings are
not doing the justice because store will has developments planned
along highway forty eight between nineteen th Avenue and stole
will wrote there's going to be a lot of developments
coming by a lot of different companies and they have
amazing plans so this is going to be connected this
proposed parcel is going to be connected to the approved
development so the roads are going to get connected there's
a lot of great things happening over here there's going
to be a community park
... install bill we are proposing to more parks there's
gonna be a community center a new community center in
the town of stole bill which is gonna be walking
distance from this site so we are not looking to
work all the benefits and all the things that's going
to provide benefits is one thing but the major justification
over here and it is that it's can it's continuous
it's continuous development to the existing proposed approved not proposed
to the approved community so we're not just going out
there in the middle of nowhere and just building homes
we are going to be building a community we're not
just building homes we're gonna help Parks we're gonna have
seniors housing seniors housing which is going to be ...
which is gonna of amenities for the seniors it's gonna
be purpose built rental for the seniors we are going
to have town homes which are going to be twenty
three foot wide ... and ... and and up to
twenty six foot white so that they can have a
secondary suite on the main floor the single detached homes
... ... ... up the twenty five percent of the
homes will point bedrooms on the main floor so that
they can be accommodated ... with the seniors we're gonna
have ... we're going to respect the seniors guidelines which
I understand the city Markham it is developing such as
... making sure that the entrance steps are flush to
the ground there's many many many things that we are
proposing and I think we should take this as a
big opportunity the guys what we can do over here
how we can work together when we have Province listening
to us this is writing over time we all talk
about housing crisis we all talk about doing this we
all talk about seniors housing how we can help the
seniors how we can provide affordable housing now when we
have this opportunity guys we all have to work together
city market was blessed with amazing councillors with the women
with great staff members I think we're all smart people
over here we can work out a plan it through
which we can respond to do housing crisis city of
Markham last week had this ...
meeting and and staff spoke well and I heard councillor
speaking as well that there's a requirement for affordable housing
there's there's requirement for seniors housing how we can make
things affordable but if council is not gonna be making
these bold decisions on how we are going to to
be able to address these are these concerns and I
respect the stuff the stuff was supposed to write this
that they cannot support this application because we don't have
the mandate because these things are supposed to be coming
from council these are you guys are policy makers so
you guys will have to direct staff to work with
us and that's the reason the minister's warning orders required
now is it legal yes it's a lot through the
planning act but my major thing is this there's it's
gonna be can take as development it's gonna be connected
to store bill ... we have a we have servicing
solutions available we are working with the town of the
store will still is gonna have a lot of community
new things developed along highway forty eight this development is
going to be connected to do the store will our
will of the parks will be shared the community center
will be used by the these read the residents in
the in the style and there's a big smart center
plaza there's a Walmart there's grocery stores there's Walmart there's
Tim Horton's everything is there we are sitting on the
south side of market maybe and then we're thinking the
old my daughter's like way far north it is not
you have to go there you have to drive there
you have to see this you have to vision we
are planning for the future
these things are not going to happen in a day
we do we have to work together and we have
to take this opportunity to work together so this is
my initial response and I'll continue to to respond as
the questions will will will right thank you
thank you Mr chair
your microphones ought Jim Mister chair your microphone is off
and so I said I'm going to recess until one
fifty and ... we also have a rescheduling M. A.
C. to another day so the afternoon is clear okay
so this is what's on the agenda okay so see
you back at one fifty
okay like to get started
6
okay and
the last time before when before we reconvene councillor councillor
Valerie Burke listen here now she's here and she liked
to do different application so Valerie Berkes you're welcome to
give your justification
thank you can you hear me I can hear you
but I can't see okay I can see it now
thank you ... Mr Mayor and members of development services
committee
we strongly urge you to support staff recommendations and tonight's
Lotto developments ministerial zoning order application in the Rouge watershed
is requested to develop outside of Markham's urban boundary is
premature since York region is in the process of conducting
an official plan review population and employment growth to twenty
fifty one base Ms that ... does not align with
a complete and thorough planning process or Markham's official plan
to build safe sustainable and complete communities it is incumbent
upon our elected representatives to follow a fair holistic and
comprehensive planning process with proper evaluation of studies scientific environmental
analysis and public consultation it is important to note that
the staff report states undertaking a lands needs assessment at
a region wide scale ensures a comprehensive approach to growth
management in an effort to among other things ensure efficient
use of existing and future infrastructure unquote Markham has always
endeavored to beef positionally responsible with taxpayer money careful planning
helps ensure cost effective communities and push it positions us
favorably in the global economy flood was request for M.
several application does not align with these principles in conclusion
Markham council should support staff recommendations and tonight the application
sincerely Valerie and Dave Burke thank you very much thank
you the only
in now I have a speakers list
hi which accounts for he
just trying to keep it under five minutes I will
do my best ... ... and I have no doubt
I just wanted to know ... ... there is description
here that ... this could very well be affordable housing
and so ... I wanted to know what the price
range they're thinking on the applicant is thinking out for
the singles and ... for
... the townhouses ... what kind of price range ...
... are we looking at ... and ...
how do they fit into the affordable price ranges that
we have seen our capital region we actually saw here
... ... but we can have to go on the
the mayor's housing or
Stafford Shakir or someone can they
no steps ... ... through you Mr chair ... ...
... cancer Jackie that's ... that's a very good question
... so I'll just touch upon ... the town homes
first and I had said that we are going to
be building wider town homes and I must say that
... I've got some guidance and some motivation and a
little bit of push I must agree from
... councillor ray because she's always promoting wider town homes
... and I've also been working with the the city
of Markham staff on other applications where data staff has
commented and they have suggested that we should be incorporating
us a separate suite on the main floor to accommodate
seniors or ... or someone else to live on the
main floor and I know the mayors of housing summit
spoke about that the City of Markham's ... event last
week spoke about that so the way to answer your
question the way the town homes will be affordable so
for example if the townhouse just selling in Markham for
example say eight hundred thousand dollars so are townhouse will
be more less the same price bought
when the person the the person who will buy that
townhouse will be living up stairs let's say a guy
buys it with his he has a wife and he
has two kids so they're going to be living upstairs
now they can rent out their main floor to a
senior so when they rent out their suite to the
seniors less they collect the rent of say a thousand
dollars
now that thousand dollars will help the family the young
family living upstairs the their mortgage that's how that you
need these units affordable by having a secondary suite on
the town homes so once again we're making these town
homes from twenty three four two up to twenty six
foot wide that can accommodate a senior suite on the
main floor we're gonna work with the city of Markham
staff to have the entrance level flush to the ground
so that there are ... S. less steps are noise
steps for the seniors to walk into if somebody has
a parent or they have their in laws if somebody's
a senior they can live close to them they can
age within the community they don't have to have their
seniors or or or patterns or or in laws or
to somebody else moved out from the home and as
you know in Markham it's or anyone she gets really
difficult and it's it's ... it's hard for a typical
family to ... to to buy a home these days
maybe you and I we were able to afford a
house but when I think of my kids I don't
know how my kids are going to be able to
afford homes in Markham will be like really really difficult
even if they get good jobs it will be really
challenging so I think we'll see a market is on
the right track I think the staff is is on
the right track I think we all are headed towards
the the right path of of affordability we cannot just
say that this one particular development is going to be
affordable without doing these things so these are the things
we're going to do and I hope ... I answered
your question councillor heat what about the singles in single
detached homes what we are proposing twenty five percent of
the home so we will have a bedroom on the
main floor for seniors so if a family lives they
will be able to have their parents live on the
main for with the bathroom we're gonna have wider hallways
we're gonna incorporate the seniors the guy I'd like to
see Markham I believe is working on which will help
as a family to have their parents live with them
in their homes I have seen some home some single
detached homes in Ontario where they have built a bedroom
on the main for for their for their parents or
for their in laws that's a very practical thing and
and and and and once we design it we will
work closely with your staff to have the north steps
or is less steps as possible for the so that
the seniors a wheelchair can comment will make the the
hallways weiter so that the wheelchair can access we can
make the bathrooms bigger to accommodate a wheelchair so that
seniors can go in and take a bathroom so these
are the things we have to do to make things
affordable otherwise we see when things are not designed right
people tried to jam people in and it doesn't work
and then they have to send out there the parents
or or or or or seniors outside so the whole
idea that we are falling for this community is an
adult lifestyle community
so so that's what we're doing for senior Sir well
thank you and I must to and say I appreciate
your reading my report I helped author vote two years
ago because you just want one through three or ...
of items in there and so I really appreciate that
the last one I don't have the previous sentence general
had some time pressures ... you know three weeks they
... they had a problem with the land ownership etcetera
I assume you don't have that therefore I assume that
you would not be ... ... in opposition to a
community consultation before council actually deals with this ... so
that we hear from the community so ...
nope okay so with your permission I would just to
say that ... see in in our business we're always
in a rush because when we buy land we have
to keep on going when we have a plan we
have to keep on going but I am with you
one hundred percent that there has to be public consultation
I agree with all the comments raised today by each
and every one and it's not like I'm saying I'm
not going to address anything we're going to address everybody
concerns raised by all the residents all the citizens and
all the councillors here so what all we occurred requesting
for two days a resolution to support this ministers on
order and settle once this and that was approved we
will come to the to the city to the city
well we'll request for drop an application then staff will
make us do all the studies they they require and
then we will have a statutory public meeting and through
that statutory public meeting we will be getting old all
the import all the comments get the draft and approved
then we will have to come back again to the
DSC into the council to work on on the site
plan because we have two buildings ... I propose for
seniors purpose built rental for the senior so we'll have
to come back again so there's gonna be a lot
of public process and by by seeing the comments and
the letters and everybody received I think everybody knows about
this development and and ... somebody's doing a good job
by spreading the word about this to this proposed Ms
at all so I don't think they should additional protocol
on consultation ... now required by how I I give
you will have the statutory public meeting through the DS
you will it will it will come to council again
and during that process if you guys want to have
another meeting for a public information meeting when the time
comes hundred percent I will work with you guys by
we're not however is it not should gear the most
important decision is the one we're making today and that
is true we rezone the land so it's residential and
it's better us ... as opposed to maybe agriculture that
makes it the most important for the public that would
be the most important decisions whether we want to do
in the first place and that's why I'm asking the
question it's a very good question Sir support the other
and settled it just stopped when you guys were referring
to the floor so when we came in over there
we've got the ministers owning approved we have not even
put up a sign on the property that we will
have something coming soon because we are not allowed to
and we set this to the to the and I
said myself to the same ... DSE and the same
council that we're not going to the public until we
go through the draft approval process until we have the
site plan approved by the DSE so we are we
haven't done that for that parcel we're not gonna do
it for this parcel we have to come back to
you we respect the process process we respect the the
the the the policies with respect and we have a
healthy root good working relationship with the city of Marco
and we that this and you can put it in
in in the agreement that we are not allowed to
market or sell into the draft plan is approved I
totally agree with that so we will come back into
the drop in approval there will be public meeting at
that time you want to do a public information house
... and through the site plan process same thing you
guys will even have to literally you guys will have
the power of selecting if the color of the break
on on on on the buildings so Sir some had
said that I would like to just go ahead and
start building tomorrow we have to this is a long
road this is just the start we're just seeking the
designation so that we can start this is just the
first step and once again public will be informed there
will be a public meeting and there will be a
lot to look like I can and I
thank you thank you from Sir also right
thank you I look which is doing questions now right
yes we are okay ... I have a question for
general
where we meeting in the zoning that's attached why we
meeting duplexes tri plex system detached homes and my favorite
bungalows bungalow Austin Bunn the town's from the zoning
this typically set in there that we're not gonna allow
semi detached duplexes triplexes vortexes
through the chair this might be a better question actually
addressed by Bijou our pride from zoning but essentially what
we were doing was aligning through a technical exercise as
I indicated in the presentation will staff are not supported
at the ends in a request we did provide commentary
to address similar zoning that is currently used within the
city of Markham so that is generally the the approach
that we use and with that I'm not sure ...
Bijou did you want to weigh in on this a
bit further
is the brand's online because we brag about rex and
and write magic yeah
I thank you through you Mr chair ... a lot
of the used again what Daryl said was we were
... we were aligning the uses with ... with the
applicant had proposed ... we're trying a single detached dwelling
dwellings in town as dwellings I believe the base own
does permit ... semi detached ... tri plex and four
plex is ... the the other uses are built forms
that were were described there are not actually uses within
our bylaw specifically that would fall within one of the
other category so like a bungalow loft is not actually
a a defined term so
okay so in the draft the edits to the draft
ministers owning or down it says despite paragraph five subsection
the following uses are not committed in the area shown
as R. two in this the same thing for the
R. one semi detached dwelling duplex tri plex and four
plex like I've been a broken record since twenty fourteen
we are building detached homes and townhouses there is no
diverse city in the housing stock that we are being
built and you're putting this out right there that we're
not going to look at it all those items Sam
is a duplex a tri plex is the full plexus
and if the bank accounts of bungalows have to go
in a separate that should be included in all zoning
for all future open areas
right off the bat
something may have to build it it's allowing them the
option to build that we're saying right now is that
they're not gonna be able to build that in there
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the issue
somebody will second that that those those are added into
the zoning order
do you have any problems that secure no I actually
... command councillor ray ... for raising this in fact
I spoke with her and ... she had suggested be
a couple of ... seniors ... buildings ... close to
the site and I drove ... drove by over there
and I agreed to her comments and we are happy
to work with her and and the staff to achieve
different housing stock I think that is required to achieve
affordability and to have variation in the streetscape as well
and to provide different kinds of housing I think the
idea is our main goal here is how do we
come up with the community which is age friendly which
is an adult lifestyle community which is going to serve
the seniors while providing affordability to these buyers but we
have been working on with our consulting team is what
can we do to me immunity
very different from a typical subdivision in Markham ... what
can we do how we can do things so I
think we all are sort of saying the same thing
I've seen stop working towards the same thing cancer res
saying the same thing I guess I'm going to work
so right being the mayors a house housing summit was
speaking was going towards the same direction last week's meeting
about affordability was was about the same thing so I
agree with councillor ray and I'm more than happy to
work with her and with staff on this thank you
Sir
hit second question
the question okay go ahead at the other question I
have is there's a discrepancy and I'm sure here if
you want to one side of your consultants still here
there's a discrepancy in the letter that you provided to
the province on what was presented on this slide show
regarding the number of units so are you can I
can correct that because they're not councillor raid the the
numbers have changed because we have introduced parks we have
made the green space wider because of the natural heritage
system as requested by the city stop so that has
eaten into the number of units then we had to
... ... amend the plan to accommodate the we have
to increase the size of this the town homes from
the typical style home sizes two to twenty three and
twenty six borders to accommodate the seniors suite on the
main floor in fact the numbers that you see in
front of you right now which are like four hundred
and changed including the two hundred units which is say
six hundred units those numbers will in fact will further
go down because we have ... increase the frontage of
the town homes and we have also increases the frontage
of of the the singles last winter used to park
so that's why the numbers have significantly have dropped from
the initial proposal
so I'm not sure on who to ask that so
what happens when the letters already gone into our Steve
Clark asking for more units how does that get addressed
so basically when one on staff or a secure like
that letter would need to be revised
because the ministers going to stamp his approval or non
approval depend on what council does on your letter I
would think she cared me I lost her so basically
in this resolution which gets approved today ... you will
be writing to the minister that these are the number
of units and this is the front page that you
would like to see and these are the type of
housing that you would see and this is the zoning
bylaw that you would like to see the minister to
approve and that's what we'll do we'll be following because
that's that's why they've asked you for your comments so
those are the moments which will be going back to
the problems
okay that's all I have two questions Mr chart comments
later councillor Lee
thank you Mr chair um well I she
the previous councillor has already addressed many of my concerns
I would like to get things that they income of
plateau for bringing this application up at like I really
like the idea of having town homes having more it
a more variety of housing and of course your energy
on taking care of the families of the seniors as
well so yeah personally I my family as well ...
and she and she considering having like a bathroom on
the ground floor for my rest that book for my
parents just just in case all week we are going
to plan ahead well my my my parents are actually
rate already rich reached senior H. so yeah this is
actually common and it's a trend so I really commend
your thought and yet you're for us for for this
neighborhood so
exactly what I was saying is that you know we
all need these things when we are young we don't
realize these sayings but as we have parents who are
aging or in Los were aging or aunt or uncle
living with us was aging then we realize these things
so so thank you for your comments thank you I
I really like the idea that that's the thinking councillor
Irish
thank you thank you Mr chairman I have three questions
of the first relates to ... a quote which will
read from page four of the staff report which is
York region is expected to release a draft land needs
assessment for consultation in the coming months which will identified
the need an appropriate location for any required urban boundary
expansion in Markham or elsewhere in the region in twenty
fifty one so the question is and I guess it's
directed to staff probably ... Daryl's part of the most
appropriate one in your opinion
how likely is that review to include urban boundary expansion
that includes these lands
also through the chair in response to that it's hard
to say until we see something come out of the
reach and that actually provides the draft plan needs assessment
for us to look at it is unknown how much
land may or may not be required within the city
of Markham so to see that it may or may
not include those lands staff are not aware at this
point about whether it would or may not we anticipate
that there will be an expansion within the city of
Markham through the process and we said that previously to
council through staff reports
but at this point whether it includes these specific lands
or not it's unknown at this point we'll have to
see when the draft land needs assessment is released by
the region so I I appreciate that there is an
element of crystal balling here but the fact that this
property would be continuous with what's happening north of the
border in style though does that in your opinion increase
or decrease the likelihood that the boundary would be expanded
to include these lands
through the chair I would suggest the question that will
come before council is where appropriately growth should be directed
and we're boundary expansion should occur within the city of
Markham historically the city of Markham has expanded its urban
boundary from the styles working its way north and northeast
this would be a different a deviation from that approach
and that would have to be considered through council when
we would report back through the drive through and needs
assessment work as well as to the region's municipal comprehensive
review
okay so it's still entirely possible though that in a
few months time we could be looking at a report
from the region that includes this land as part of
the urban boundary expansion that is a very real possibility
it is possible okay thank you I'd like to dig
a little bit deeper ... on the proposed servicing arrangements
pardon the pun ... I had a conversation Friday with
commissioner Prasad and was told in answer to a question
that if the M. zero was approved by council or
... supported by council and of course ...
moved by the minister for the city of Markham would
be responsible for the servicing
and yet today ... I saw a different plan proposed
by the applicant ... so have we done anything similar
in other parts of marking where we've had the servicing
at least some of it run through a neighboring municipality
and if so how well is that arrangement worked
I would ask ... Brian Lee director of engineering to
respond to that place
through you Mr chat as subprime lead director of engineering
...
responding to ... councillor Irish question ... there are some
cross boundary servicing ... in other parts of ... Markham
... namely ... there are few on Steeles Avenue between
... Markham and the city of Toronto and there is
some limited very limited between the ...
Richmond hill and Markham boundary as well but cross boundary
... servicing is not something that is typical something that
is ... we can't do we tend to avoid these
type of cross boundary ... servicing ...
because of legislative and also administrative issues
okay
it's interesting I guess at
sorry Mr chairman
no I I use motioning to regional council E. W.
A. model list I don't just quickly we don't have
a stormwater management on from stove build
the north Markham in the east and that's the only
one I know from stole
so I can ... free check and speak to that
... I was actually involved in that on the peripheral
when I first joined Markham and
that storm water management pond service a subdivision install bill
the pond itself is located in Markham however that Paul
does not serve anything in Markham so it's a servicing
... someone management point that is located in Markham but
is service a subdivision ends in Snellville
to date
I appreciate to that the applicants ... consultant ... has
something that they should like to add as it relates
to this but ... well maybe it is maybe I
saw secure had stand up that one to respond to
well okay I've got one last bit related to this
particular issue but I'll let them go first she's here
... I'm just gonna before I would like Katerina respond
to the servicing question we have been working with the
town of still bill and the city of Markham has
been participating in the joint servicing ... ... ... works
and we have been planning with the between the city
of Markham and the town is still will so we
have been working together and I was just gonna say
that yes you Markham has done something which it with
the city of Toronto and with the storm water management
pond which got picked up so so now carry no
would have she would like to add something Katerina I
didn't want to ... clarifying that she here ... as
he sometimes tends to do stole my thunder as well
simply added to it and not the lawyers for the
town of which are still so under city of Markham
and she cares lawyers myself and then my colleague Mary
Ellen bench we've been in discussions with respect to the
servicing arrangements for the answer to one lands ... and
adding to that discussion to service these additional lands I
would not be problematic we've identified the need for various
agreements ... which could address the servicing expenditure trust the
servicing of these lands and I will keep it ...
brief on that
okay I guess but
sorry Mr chairman I'll just say council Irish proceed
and very polite of you
I guess
when people
yeah yeah I suppose ... if if again ... committee
and council were to approve this and it made its
way to queens park and was approved again by the
minister what kind of guarantee and I see our solicitor
is is here what kind of guaranteed is the city
of Markham have that these arrangements would be the arrangements
of
would be honored
versus us suddenly finding out that ... we were on
the hook for all the servicing
so how much of a guarantee would we have
through through the chair it said challenge to answer that
question with a hundred percent certainty the province now has
... has expanded to their ability to our direct municipalities
to enter into site plan agreements ... I don't know
if that extends to all of the other agreements that
would be required for development of this nature ... so
we alternately you could be left I've negotiating what are
cross boundary servicing agreement would look like I don't have
the status of the existing when I do know that
we are working on as a cross boundary agreement to
servicing agreements with respect to the previous sunset ... approved
... but if we are unable to come to an
agreement ... I don't know if the province would then
have the authority to step in and and make an
order in that regard or not that's still a little
green we haven't seen enough ... of these sinus sorts
of cases where the province has stepped in to what
would typically be a municipal authority I'm sorry my answer
and that is that it's a bit up in the
air
all right my last question I hope it's a simple
one it should be
I'm sorry sugar did you have something you want to
add to that last one
yeah if me if I may please I
the thank you Sir so I just want to add
that I I ... ... so I would just like
to add that typically what happens is when we come
in well for the draft plan of subdivision application through
the draft approval process there's dropping conditions which the city
of Markham would ask us to enter into and those
will be conditions of the approval and we have to
fulfill all those conditions and then through those conditions usually
wanted the condition is to enter into a subdivision agreement
with the city of Markham through that subdivision agreement we
would be entering and posting the required letters of credit
for the infrastructure we would have to submit our engineering
drawings to the city of Markham older drawings once they're
approved once we have posted the required letters of credit
only then we can start the servicing so this would
be treated like a typical subdivision you would have in
the city of Markham when C. over dropping of ...
subdivision approved for residential ... the applicant comes then enters
into a subdivision agreement a go through your legal department
and we post the required securities we get the approvals
from your engineering planning urban design and only then we
can proceed so it will be very similar to ...
or it will be the same process that's what I
want to answer that's it thank you Hey thank you
so my my last question which I hope is a
simple one a straight forward one ... it it follows
along the mayors line of questioning at the very beginning
of this item ... before we took the break can
you answer for me how many acres are actually develop
a bowl because the staff report indicates that it's thirty
two hectares I'm old school so that seventy nine acres
and of what is developed people how much of that
is ... I guess it's classified as a one farmland
okay so ... I will answer this question so we
have grossed more or less area of one hundred and
ten acres so from the hundred and ten acres the
green belt and national heritage system mistaking thirty nine point
three acres
so if I take 10 minus 39.
three acres so we are left with seventy point seven
acres now on that seventy point seven acres we're going
to have the the seniors buildings we're going to have
roads we're going to have public parks we're going to
have ... to stormwater management ponds we're gonna have the
residential and open spaces everything else so ... out of
the grows hundred and ten acres thirty nine point eighty
six acres is gone towards the green belt and the
the City Markham's national heritage system as defined in the
official plan so that's that's the answer Sir
and look the last the last bit of my question
then was up that seventy how much of that is
farmland all of but
source thirty acre is basically the white belt or the
you call it farm where ... we are growing corn
for the animals ... ... so if you see these
two ... I don't know if you can see my
cursor loop the two big blue lines this is basically
the area we're developing but then this green area here
it's the natural heritage system which we cannot touch
Dan we have this green belt now we have a
little bit of national heritage system expanded here a little
bit here then we have the green belt on the
corner so that's something we cannot touch the the white
belt or the farm land where we are going forms
for the animals are here and here
in this area
so so that's what's gonna get developed developed all of
this plus this is seventy point seven acres more or
less which includes two parks which includes to stormwater management
ponds which include a pumping station which at one point
one hectare alone ... and all the real world species
shown over here and the seniors buildings
okay okay thank you thank you Mr chairman ... actually
could I just weigh in for one quick second please
so to also respond to councillor Irish the simple answer
is all of the lands are prime agricultural here so
they're all designated they are all rec recognizes primary cultural
class one and two lands
Deputy Mayor Hamilton
thank you Mr chair
I'm
listening intently with all the plans that are coming forward
but
and I am absolutely hundred percent sure that the Mr
ram to align flat or we'll do a cracker Jack
job a fantastic job of building what they promised the
bill it'll be a quality build it'll be a full
fledged community you'll have everything that the that we we
would like to have but I'm not at that point
where I won't even discuss that
I'm still wait back and trying to decide whether we
should be approving this Ms at all whether we should
get even past the post I don't know whether we
should Mister chair and so I do have a couple
of questions I'd like to ask for staff the first
one is sort of in response to councillor Irish question
about the likelihood of being part of the land needs
assessment so if this land is not part of the
municipal comprehensive review isn't it
practically speaking an impossibility for this land not even one
centimeter of it to be included
in the land needs assessment that's going to come out
from the region
zoom in response to the chair the region is undertaking
and municipal comprehensive review looking at all lands across the
entire region it includes these lands as well the land
needs assessment will identify determined existing needs existing supply and
then output what potential additional lands may be required for
urban expansion through their municipal comprehensive review and their official
plan review process once that is a determined they would
then apply the other policies of the growth plan for
the greater golden horseshoe and provincial policy statement to look
at where lands should be urbanized which looks at agricultural
lands it looks at heritage it looks that were a
lands as well and the White the lands that have
been part of this conversation
but realistically I mean sure they're looking at every square
inch of ... York region but really realistically as you
said earlier I believe they're all that we move from
south to north and I think you said west to
east I think you said it could have been East
West but certainly from the south to the north so
this parcel really practically speaking is not not on the
radar whatsoever isn't
soon through the chair I can't speak for the region
and what they are putting forward or not but I
can advise that in order to do a municipal comprehensive
review they need to assess all lands look at the
existing supply and then determine where future need as as
I indicated earlier historic pattern of growth for the city
has been building before you build out and starting from
the south and west and then moving north and east
so essentially that is why there is a gap of
non urban lands ... between this proposed ministers on an
order request and the urban area to the south
so this your comment brings me to my second question
which I think I'm going to direct Mr chairman through
you to ... commissioner Prasad ...
the region seems to be the the ghost partner here
... they don't seem to be consulted on these M.
settles and and when we were talking about the one
this morning I can understand it really doesn't have much
to do with the region it's really focused on the
city but here we've heard repeatedly about sewage about water
you know about the the
comprehensive review the municipal comprehensive review that's going on that's
all being conducted by the region and yet I don't
see anybody on this call from the region to say
yes this is a good idea to have have this
land or no it's not a good idea so I'll
be I'll be honest I think I called the the
... chief planner for York region all three men unfortunately
he couldn't be here today to to ... to participate
but I think he did speak to commissioner Prasad so
I'd like commissioner Prasad to to let us know where
the region stance on this because I'm quite concerned that
we're doing things without any concern for the region and
it's planning this is it you know they go through
planning for every municipality through the MCR and they're the
ones that originally ... allocate the sewage they are the
ones that built the big York a district sewer pipes
etcetera so can I hear please Mister chairman former commissioner
Mr Prasad yes throughout through you Mr chairman I did
have an opportunity to speak to you ... the regional
chief planner about this matter and I can confirm that
you know what to do with weird it to the
two tier system
rate if you if you got it ends that ...
and Hamilton and our Toronto
... it's gonna be good the municipality has all the
information in front of it ... we have a two
tier system the region is responsible for certain things that
today let the local area municipality is not responsible for
servicing and some aspects of servicing some aspects of environmental
regional roads are transit so do it didn't deter so
there there is unless the region is consulted you're not
gonna get a lot of intelligence in terms of what
is the impact of any proposal on those types of
regional services remember this is the best phone zoning or
a ministers only order zoning is the operative word zoning
rests with the local municipality with their it is folly
the city of Markham
we take care of zoning so the minister in circulating
them settle for comments it's going to circulated to that
but I asked for comments from that level of minutes
of government that's responsible for zoning so it comes to
us in Markham Intrada comes across but you know there
too no one here right so I did speak to
him and he is frustrated about that process the chief
planner is frustrated that the ... the region are rarely
... gets asked for comments on these types of our
publications is definitely something that I encourage fall to talk
to the minister's office about and discuss because they provide
a valuable service
to us in terms of development
so ... does but my discussion with him ball ...
Freeman ... has reviewed the report on your agenda today
and he agrees with it
he agrees that it's premature this application he agrees that
his misspoke comprehensive review process which is going to establish
the land needed
for development going forward is just several months away
so his point of view on this matter is you
know we're almost there at the finish line and working
on my MCR for number of ... you months or
I guess the over a year now ... and his
process will advise the city of Markham all the Ministry
all these how much urban land is required
having regard for the areas that are intensifying in our
communities having regard for the density that we're trying to
create having regard for the need for ground related housing
issues or not I delighted to do of what's called
the land budget assessment
the province gives us criteria to do this assessment so
the region is gone pretty much completed that process and
we'll be hearing soon from them the next several months
from what I understand in terms of how much additional
land is required in York region and its member municipalities
for urban expansion which this is
so my safe to say that but not only the
city staff not support this but the chief planner of
York region does does agree with
city staff and therefore does not support this Ms that'll
yeah I did you have spoken to him directly he
agrees with the staff recommendation okay
okay thank you for that my last question I think
this goes to Daryl alliance through you Mr chairman if
I may
what does comply with city and regional facing policies
and if not what sort of consequences are
possible
so through the chair the current market official plan twenty
fourteen these lands are outside of the urban area the
phasing of Development is for dealing with lands with in
the urban area so in this situation our official plan
currently has policies that for any land outside to do
is I'm the better expansion shall be undertaken through and
that's full comprehensive review
the region's official plan currently requires a meniscal comprehensive review
for settlement boundary expansions as well that's based on the
old version of that at the growth plan and the
new new growth plan as well carries for with the
framework which is why the region is doing in the
next full comprehensive review process right now in order to
do their conformity exercise to the growth plan
well I remain concerned about about this ... it was
that ... I wasn't concerned about the other one I
agree with the Maryland Ginsburg and also Peter me ask
in their comments that this is leapfrogging therefore spots only
and given what I've heard it just I think it's
gonna throw the plan of like I'm even concerned Mr
chairman
and I guess it's a question to Daryl if if
there's certain allocations given ... like in aggregate there's a
certain number of allocations available once this MCR is done
and this spot zoning if you wanna call it that
this Ms that'll
uses some of that up then that means there is
gonna be last four goals that have been in the
normal processes in the normal queue am I right on
that
through the chair you are correct in the fact that
went any development occurs in any area of the city
of course that could potentially have an impact on service
allocation and on land use implication the amenities transit supportive
nest there's a whole bunch of different things that would
go into that type of exercise so yes there is
a possibility that if development is directed in this direction
as I mentioned before the approach that mark and at
has taken historically is is urban expansions from the south
going north and northeast not from the north going down
having recognizing as well that the minister has need ministers
on order which are still and that is what top
rated development incorporated is looking after that visioning exercise that
we don't know at this point we're only a short
few months away to see what the land needs assessment
is going to give us from the region and at
this point we don't know where that growth is going
to be allocated or needed for boundary expansion
would you expect Darryl ... through you Mr chairman to
Darrell again would you expect to see ... more Ms
that all applications from other developers ... if this one
is successful
through the internet I think it what what wouldn't site
people are incentivize them to use that recourse rather than
what all being the normal process
through the chair that is quite possible in the fact
that administers zoning order essentially console right through the region's
planning process the city's planning process and technically the minister
of municipal affairs has owned and has all of the
wording regarding that piece of land that they include your
ministers on in order to the extent of any conflict
with our local documents so it is possible and if
people find that this is a path that they can
get through quicker potentially then it could be I used
in the future but it's unknown it depends on when
an applicant or not comes forward to the minister of
municipal affairs requesting in order
but it quickly pressure
thank you thank you Mr chairman those are my questions
here all when we moved from ... twenty forty one
to twenty fifty one what was the increase in population
that the region has to
so currently just give me one moment
all
I want to say that it increased the number of
eight thousand but
I don't have to just grab that schedule 3
in the province is consistently always up updating our numbers
are increasing their numbers maybe two year and maybe it's
a hundred thousand today two reasons it could be a
hundred and fifty thousand
corrected so ... regional chair so just start data growth
plan for the greater golden horseshoe to schedule three it
only allocates up to a single tear or not particular
out level so we don't have specific numbers for the
city of Markham that's what the land needs assessment work
and the municipal comprehensive review process that the region is
currently undertaking would then allocate population employment forecast to ...
to the City of ... of Markham so currently within
York region the numbers have changed in the fact that
I twenty ... forty one numbers were seventeen one one
point one point million seven hundred ninety thousand for population
for twenty forty one and when it went out through
amendment one to the growth plan it increased the numbers
to one point nine so it increased two point two
point six we're sorry two hundred sixty thousand population difference
of twenty forty one to twenty five only certain municipalities
that have room for growth okay Martin's one of up
on ten these culinary but he's calling very and that
we have a a servicing problem let's look at the
results
our next is
hello Catherine
wants to speak
thank you Mr chair I just wanted to comment with
respect to the MCR ... discussion that we're having ...
and I'm not suggesting that the and so that was
approved in this morning is is not appropriate but in
in terms of the ... it considerations of an MCR
process and what goes into the land needs and Alice
as a defeat some of the uses that are proposed
in the minister zoning water from this morning would equally
be ones that would be considered through an MCR process
such as I believe and I'm I'm not a land
use plan or
a lawyer but I believe ... the retirement home and
life lease as would also be residential uses ... what
I'm trying to say Sir is the MCR although that
is what we are asked to do in the province
of Ontario and that hasn't changed I think there's been
a recognition by our provincial government not as a the
Mayor puts it the planning process is broken and there
has been some additional opportunity of both through the use
of and Santos and indeed growth plan policies to recognize
that growth could occur outside of that MCR process if
we're waiting for the MCR to be concluded and I'm
not faulting the region for this it's a complicated process
that has changed and the only has just been finalized
recently ... in terms of the province's process but if
we're waiting for that and see are to be concluded
as I mentioned earlier this afternoon we're losing an opportunity
here ... debt it will extend these lands coming in
if they are brought into the urban and inter the
urban boundary for anywhere from five to ten years or
more ...
if we're serious about fixing the problem of where to
pull housing of seniors affordability and and allowing that segment
of the population have access to homes I am clear
that the time is now for this and not waiting
for the answer to be concluded
okay thank you
next is nurse for PT
I'm sure ... banks and and ... it's it's been
McCrank great to hear both the questions and the answers
and and to hear some context of what what's before
us maybe just to clarify something ... the the region
... was delegated a certain planning approvals maybe Daryl can
confirm this so in in some respects and certain parts
of the planning process ... the region acts on behalf
of the province in that it's been delegated authority to
approve our official plan so and I will go through
the long list that I ate does maybe Gerald can
use speaks about just for a second
yes so through the chair in in response to that
question the province has it through the structure created for
a particular lower tier single tear has delegated and or
assigned planning authorities for a variety of different things but
in this situation given that the region is undertaking a
municipal comprehensive review which is under section twenty six of
the planning act that's the five year or ten year
review depending on which one you're doing bye under that
the province is the planning authority so once the region
has completed their new official plan program through this municipal
comprehensive review process it would be adopted and sent to
the province for approval
okay so I just I just in case there was
questions about some of the region's Roland announcement Lee ...
who gives approval to these things ... I think that
there are you provided even further clarification and then maybe
I was even suggesting so about that right I really
do appreciate that and I I'm glad we've got general
to provide that so that expertise because he came from
the province of Ontario
well Mister chair I I wanna others of seven but
I wanna thank the ... the people who came forward
today and and mate ... deputations ... ... it's clear
... that that again ... these comments that have been
made about this ... particular application some of them what
apply generally to the ... the issue that we have
at hand and many of you ever for so where
is the ... the planning and ... gross that's going
to happen in the region for the next forty years
and and that's a big undertaking and ... would like
to be able to say that in in forty years
of projection moving forward ... that that serve planning would
be a science and ... would be able to figure
out every last square sports and just how much space
we need to accommodate that growth and to to meet
the various ... demands so I I do appreciate that
the perspectives are brought forward I I will maybe in
on again ... one could probably saying if if he
one thing hadn't happened and then the other thing hadn't
happened ... I might not be able to say what
I'm about to say but I think this particular ...
issue that's before us this morning is in the context
of what exists today and I and I and that's
is why ask for clarification of the status of the
lands are north of us ... I wouldn't necessarily classify
as a spot rezoning
now now let me tell you if a similar type
of applications demand
on Allegan mills
are in the middle of nowhere ... not connected to
any other community ... and certainly not planned for ...
in terms of the context of a of a broader
community then I agree that that is an eighty
what you might want to qualify as either spot rezoning
or or something being dealt with in an isolation and
... I would just say that that given that the
previous decisions not just of the province of Ontario but
also the municipality of which sold well ... I I
wouldn't go as far as saying that it's spot rezoning
there is very much integrated into our broader plan
and and the other thing I'll say it's tough you
know because we we do take pride in our political
... slash municipal boundaries
but let's face it if you were dividing up the
lines today
I'm between minister polities are the reality is you wouldn't
call one block north are a part of a lot
of north of nineteen thousand you give someone was dividing
that line up today in reality they say nineteenth Avenue
letter realistically probably should be the ... the ... miscible
boundary between Markham and stalled out that by the way
I'm not ... indicating in any way that I think
the boundary should be both just in case someone is
getting so excited the north of us ... with which
would still while I'm not advocating that at all fair
to say though that I think if we were doing
municipal boundaries planning properly it would be a major roles
like ... nineteenth Avenue that would most likely be the
dividing line between the two municipalities so I I appreciate
the comments other comments made today in relation to some
other issues up and Mister chair I think they do
apply generally and you know again ... maybe in another
forum maybe the province ... should be demonstrating yet again
... but there's been a lot of work ... pertaining
to the growth that stuff happened in in the GTA
are out for the next used to be twenty years
now they used to be thirty years now we're up
to forty years and who knows ... you never know
if there is a ... ... something that happens it
sells is the plan even further out from that but
many of the issues ... spoken about they do relate
to those fundamental debates about how much we can grow
where can we grow and then the viability of a
food ... source and and all of those issues that
their politicians to to raise and I think we do
need to be raised within the broader context of of
the the the policy related to
two of the province of Ontario or not so they're
they're not small items to deal with and they should
be should be dealt with so I just say this
... and I thought it was going to come up
and and perhaps some of the commentary ... I wanna
let you know that when I found out about this
as late as last week ... I reached out to
... the applicant because I wanted to understand what was
being proposed but I also wanted to make sure
that as much as ... this is being driven perhaps
by another process Mister chair that the city of Markham
was also going to derive ... as much benefit recognizing
that at some point ... we ... we probably are
in a position where we've asked for so much that
that so perhaps ... the applicant wouldn't wouldn't proceed I
don't know all but I certainly did have the discussion
about other things that that we can do and let
me just start off by saying the first thing you
know when we talk about environmental impacts
you know ... and it's not necessarily related to the
current the ends at all but yeah as part of
the condition of the last one we ensure that the
servicing both water and sewer was going to be extended
to Dixon now now that's something and maybe some of
the new new worker ... members of council on may
not appreciate that history but that's something we've been trying
to figure out how to do for for well I
won't say decades but a number of years of how
the servicing could be extended and get back community off
of private wells get them off of their ...
their tanks and ... look them up to municipal service
to tell me that that's an environmental benefit and again
we can you know Garrick us in the right for
a Mister chair we could debate some of these things
but I just put that on its out a perspective
about how I see that as a as a benefit
for ... Markham and and Markham residents anyways ...
I did raise some issues with that the applicant that
while I was pleased to see some elements are incorporated
about what was presented today that I thought there were
other things that that the the city of Markham could
could benefit by and ...
things like
hiding for additional ... park land and what the planning
act ... describes and ... I have to say ...
the applicant kind of made a suggestion or potentially other
to wake her up park and ... I thought about
that a bit more over the last a couple of
days thinking about work while while it's nice to get
that open space additional open space I would like to
see something that at least could accommodate ... some kind
of recreational facility like a full of regulation soccer field
and and some other uses so ... as much as
I appreciate the initial discussion of of two acres I
I thought about it a bit more and ... I
thought you know as nice as that would be in
terms of open space I think ... our community also
needs some of those other facilities as well and you
can accommodate that on on two acres ... so I'm
I'd like applicants or perhaps ... respond to that because
all of say one of the things again and ...
I think what we've maybe are saying they're not and
then when I made my comments earlier today it wasn't
in relation necessarily to either of these applications that we're
dealing with but I I think we've seen our system
... that needs to be revamped in the province of
Ontario that's that is by the way ... it's not
a pass by any stretch of the imagination I say
a revamping it's about deciding where growth is going to
go it's about deciding the type of growth that we're
going to have and it's also about how we put
in place ... best practices when it comes to sustainability
and environmental protection which I think the city of Markham
has demonstrated on on many many occasions on a number
fronts and not just when we have a development application
... before us the other part that I asked ...
the applicant to consider as much as he's got to
our seniors buildings are and in the US and they
are ... rental select that's good are you know that
that's a that's a plus I I really wanted to
see an injection of ... but short of bold rental
in this plan and again not just tender or twenty
units are just to say look we've got some units
that are affordable here something substantial but I did mention
sort of something I had in my mind but would
like to hear from the applicant ... so that we
not only have rental but we actually have affordable rental
for seniors incorporated and that's because yes many seniors will
be able to sell their home and and ranks and
use ... that as a potential ... a potential ...
stream to support themselves I know there's other seniors that
that that won't have that luxury and again ... that
are looking for affordable ranks all as defined by the
region of York and in in our community so I'd
like to see us comment on this application again ...
the province of Ontario ... in its wisdom has inserted
itself because I think they are dealing with a few
major issues not just the fact that the planning process
is is we can convert to the point that it's
not allowing certain things to move forward and I appreciate
all the comments that were said earlier I don't dismiss
and I think again we've been a shining example when
it comes to public engagement and involvement I'm not saying
we always agree
eighty but we we have those discussions and debates and
if it does arrive to a conclusion and and that
I I do support ...
but aside from from ... those particular aspects one of
park that goes beyond what's required units that would be
deemed affordable under the definition of York region and then
the other ... Mister chair is that I'd I'd want
to ensure ... that ... the environmental impact studies ...
what in fact all of the studies that would typically
be undertaken as we've done with so many developments and
mark I would also have to be undertaken for that
so that we don't we don't give up one I
order when it comes to the best practices are that
we have put in place and obviously that we ...
T. RCA conditions would also be incorporated into the approval
of of the Ms at all and ... not unlike
the previous one and I don't know if that was
a shot at being a but we get to choose
the color of the brick I'm proud of the fact
that we take the time that we do in Markham
to make sure we have good design and ... good
materials and ... I think we should have that opportunity
with this particular development as well now ... again you
know we have a we have a or perhaps a
decision to make are the province of Ontario can deal
with this ... with this application I think the fact
that it's before us members of council I would I
would view that as the province taking this seriously
R. I I don't think the province waste our time
if they work if this wasn't under serious consideration I
don't like the province likes to waste people's time I
think it's here for a reason and ... I think
we have a a moment here to say that it
you know the the Ms at all ... would permit
certain things and if it's going to permit certain things
then we the city of Markham would want to see
certain things incorporated and not is it perfect it's not
but I think to categorize this is somehow a development
that's happening in an island ... you don't know the
area very well and then secondly I would say ...
because of the other planning decisions that have been made
others an opportunity here to integrate and and to make
sure that there is in fact complete communities and on
that score I want to publicly thank mayor Ian Lovett
... I also reached out to our because I think
there was referencing a member who made it but ...
part of the ... ... an important amenity that's that's
being incorporated in the lands and what should stole will
is a community center and I did reach out to
Maryland but and I asked these residents are going to
be closer really in many respects which you're still with
them they will be to the amenities that we have
been in Markham and would he consider ... allowing these
residents to in fact be able to utilize that community
center as if they were residents of which sold well
and that that's something that that he didn't really hesitating
said now about that something obviously ... he be very
supportive of them and again over the years and I
I've mechanical waste everyone's time but over the years we've
had agreements like that I think particularly up in Thornhill
... to accommodate certain non sports groups
so ... I want to thank him for for being
open to that so ... Mister chair are perhaps before
I say anything further I want to put on the
table the the inclusion of a four acre park in
addition to the required park land and I also want
to get a better understanding because I did mention what
I'd like to see ... about increasing the number of
seniors units here but having ... a number and as
I said not a small number are deemed to be
affordable rents all and I like to hear what the
applicants ... considerations down on on some of those aspects
I should hear
through you Mr chair thank you Mr mayor and ...
I ... I respect your comments and ...
I've also got some good comments from cancer rate
also briefly spoken with the local council ... so ...
I think you are making a very good point and
this is exactly what I was trying to hit that
before that ... we had the mayors housing summit we
had to me from from the city of Markham in
which everybody was speaking about ... affordable housing and this
is what I've been basically saying please guide me please
show me what you think what we can do to
make this community different
so we have an opportunity over here this community is
connected with store bill with the a new on a
school new parts installed build new community center what else
can we do so Mr Mayor like I'm I'm I'm
happy to confirm that we have to proposed ... seniors
senior buildings with the one hundred apartments in each building
so we are going to do a third building with
one hundred units completely affordable housing as per the guidelines
of York region and the city of Markham so I
repeat and a complete one building where one hundred apartments
a foldable housing and we will work with the region
of your gear guidelines one hundred percent and with the
city of Markham one hundred percent Mr Mayor you also
raised a good point about the park ...
and once again standing on my on my words before
that how we can make this community different so I
agree with your idea of expanding the park ... I
know you've suggested the soccer field I I love soccer
... but I would also like to add if we
could because we're doing something very similar in another community
in Ontario where we are doing seniors housing that in
the parks if you're making apart from two acres to
say four acres I'm happy to do that no problem
and it in that park if you can
in have a community garden where the seniors can grow
vegetables they can go out big enough I do a
little bit of ... of planting a little bit of
farming it kind of gives them some some space to
go out and we're gonna make that parking sensible to
the seniors which means flush to the ground making ...
wheelchair accessible so so just to say yes Sir I
agree are we are happy to provide additional two acres
of parkland my request would be to ... to allow
us to have a community garden for the seniors ...
and we will provide another building
M. P. one hundred percent affordable housing ... hundred units
in it thank you Sir
okay well the details of of location on and that
the the uses and I only use the soccer field
as an example I just didn't think ... in your
initial discussions of two acres what would have been enough
to really put in anything substantial in terms of of
community amenities so that that so all right however that
gets accommodated I think your your idea of whether it's
community gardens or anything else that would be beneficial for
the ... the seniors buildings ... that's sort of a
level of detail when we deal with the subdivision and
draft plan that that when that comes back to us
we we can not get into so so Mister chair
... I'm sort of happy I don't know how many
other speakers are are on the list but I would
just reiterate once again are we we have been able
to get benefits for the existing community the the extension
of services ... is ... is ... both ... a
benefit and environmental positive environmental impact ... the fact that
if we put in in this resolution the ... the
... addition of a four acre park above the park
land dedication that's required under the planning act one story
and ends up again ... these conditions but also that
that ... that ... the capital costs for that part
... would be borne by the applicant so that we're
not utilizing ... funds from other areas ... that ...
were collecting money for it so that the capital costs
for that would be it would be borne by the
by the applicant and ... and then if you're commitment
as four hundred affordable housing units for seniors but that
also be rid
not been in our comments such as the province of
Ontario and then of course the environmental impact studies would
be undertaken T. RCA conditions will be incorporated and that
we retain ... site plan ... control and again this
was sitting in the middle of nowhere ... I think
us as it said I would agree with that the
spot rezoning and realistically as I get back to it's
it's the boundaries were divvied up today I'd probably be
nineteen thousand years old and in some respects ... this
deals with the complete communities out there that again yes
has undergone decisions by Richard Stockwell and and the province
and you know you
don't dismiss that ... but at the same time ...
the incorporation of some of these things that allow us
to get something for the city of Markham if this
sounds that always gonna be considered and I and I
think Mister chair the fact that it's here ... I
would take that as a signal that it's under serious
consideration and ... and I think it does speak to
the comments I made earlier about what we need to
do to fix the planning process and I'll just leave
it at that and then owned by the way I
fully support as well ... the comments made by councillor
ray about whether you know alternately when the draft plan
comes in but we shouldn't ... but I I like
the approach that has been explained and by then we
have other examples of this that we've done recently were
townhouses built and it purposely built secondary unit has been
incorporated into the design I I think is is something
again that increases the um housing stock ... for rentals
potentially and and certainly makes it affordable for people who
want to buy and then know that they have that
right secondary suite that's been incorporated and designed for in
the community design which again I I have supported as
others are known for for other areas so I'll leave
it at that I don't know what other speakers but
... I agree with conservation include the the range of
housing what ultimately gets built in maybe maybe a block
after everything is done we're sending is our or or
... ...
as Nancy quadruples whatever the whatever they're called ... could
be incorporated but I wouldn't I wouldn't leave anything out
at this point I believe more flexibility rather than ...
they're not not even a thought
thank you Mr Merrin I I first of all the
speakers I have in the queue is councillor key regional
council early councillor McAlpine councillor ray in a closing up
this accounts for Collucci I do agree with almost everything
you said Mr Mayor I don't called planning a thousand
acres part res on in fact this type of planning
should be done all over the city and all over
the region this is effectively what I like about this
type of planning okay it's comprehensive and that's complete planning
and I think what you said earlier
that if we had to do divvy up the boundaries
again nineteenth Avenue would be yeah the boundary instead of
but I wasn't a thousand meters whatever the distances up
into that intersection
and she care quite a few years ago when I
came on council one of the things we went looked
at was can't lands outside of the outside of worship
them and what I'd like to but that was on
the same street was all kinds of mix of house
big houses town houses ... different types the only thing
is what they call density we would call almost a
cristatus but yeah I mean there lots of hot bigger
than what we're doing today but that type of housing
or that type of glass plant community be a great
and ... ... so here again I don't think that
spot rezoning what you're doing here I thank that up
and I don't think this is trivial I don't think
this is a trivial Ms at all and I think
there's quite a few more Ms on homes that could
be happening on the fourth floor and possibly even the
floor under each so
I think that the province is trying to show us
the direction and I'd like to see more Ms the
old stuff around transit stations but the not leaks more
now ... in councillor Keith improvement are in the queue
and how to councillor keys
thank you Mr chair ... I actually I don't have
questions I just have a few comments that I'd like
to to ... to contribute and ... some of this
has been covered ... I I also agree with a
lot of what ... the Mayor had to say
... in it but in general I don't see this
one of the main ... criticisms or concerns that we've
heard today and from from people who have submitted ...
... Dapitan deputations is that the process in the speed
... and that and it in the idea that really
this came out of the blue I just want to
I guess push back a little bit on that one
and say that I don't really don't see that this
came out of the blue
... I guess has been referenced at this is a
been I've been at least two or three meetings public
meetings where we were discussing of these lands or at
least in this in this area ... primarily with the
the the town of Stowe bill and during those meetings
there was never discussion about whether ... the land would
be converted ... from from world to ... to mixed
use but just more more the discussion was house so
the configuration of the roads and whatnot so I guess
from my perspective this is not a new out of
the blue application ... I think some of the resistance
that we're getting also from the city of Markham is
the fact that it's at the northern border I'm a
little bit more familiar with that because of my ward
boundaries ... but this I also see is is it
is a continuous ... piece of land that's contiguous to
just overall into what's being developed there so it's not
isolated and I agree it's not spot ... of Development
... second thing again the second thing that we I
guess that a lot of correspondence on heard from a
lot of residents about was just the the issue of
of value of farmland and I certainly I I can
appreciate the interests of our rural landowners ...
and they're wanting to protect farmland but I think at
the same time we have to recognize that there is
a need to expand the urban boundary whether it's now
or whether it's in ten years or where whether it's
here or whether it's there it's something that we've been
doing for you know for two hundred years frankly
... and I think that is to say that we
cannot do that because because it's farmland is a little
short sighted and ... I just don't think it's workable
... so I would say that this is particularly the
case for stove L. ... which is one of the
reasons that I'm I'm not not resisting this and that
... they do need to expand their urban boundary ...
and you can't obviously expand your urban boundary to the
green belt or to the the moraine so so there
is there are limits to where this expansion can take
place ... and and on that ...
really if you look at the the region if you
look at Southern Ontario a lot of land has been
set aside for protection ... this application doesn't affect those
lands so we're looking at the green belt we're looking
at the oak ridges moraine and and and sixty five
percent of of my ward ward five is is a
national ... the Rouge national urban park so I would
argue that there is a lot of farmland being protected
one and two I think it's inevitable that we need
great we need to accommodate for growth it can all
go ... ... sky word if you will and install
condominiums so the general comments and in terms of response
to some of the deputations ... and I I would
just echo the mint and many of the merits comments
in terms of the merits particular the merits ... and
I spoke about this earlier in the in the application
that came before us this morning
parents of ... the services that this is going to
deliver for seniors ... and ... you know a purpose
built rentals in the ATM affordable rentals is something that
I've certainly been advocating for and I really in good
conscience couldn't couldn't reject this proposal ... ... I would
be a hypocrite
and she's locust hill was referenced earlier locust hill is
in ward five so I know that those those residents
have been waiting an awful long time for for services
... watered and spent sewer sanitary services so I'm I'm
sure that ...
this work in this development will be welcome there so
... and with all of the amendments I think we
did some good work today terms of identifying some of
the areas that can be improved so with those amendments
I'm certainly supportive of so that's that's All I Want
to say thank you
tell regional councillor Joe Li
thank you this year first of all I
I appreciate the stop common ... that they need to
wait for the region ... comprehension the report in the
March but I do also remember in the last October
regional council meeting ... relating to regional mapping up a
future employment lands
the city ... on stated that because four hundred highway
live within
the business of a palm tree therefore it should be
left to the city along with the site where the
bill from should should take place I remember most of
my come council members disagree and one of the region
to act on behalf of the province in the planning
act to provide a comprehensive review where the bill function
I mean should take place but unfortunately regional council voted
in favor of a city of one position to allow
them to decide what is best for them to build
but in the municipal bond just two days obligation is
within the city of Markham municipal boundaries and I'm not
come council should be doing the same thing telling the
region that we know best
what we want to build
I don't know what the bill fun to happen in
the city of Markham
your day
and I listen your Shakira much to love presentation carefully
up all his development plan he states
the proposed development address several of the problems visitation of
priorities set out in the mold more choice action plan
it will increase housing supply and bring that supply to
market quickly while respecting and maintaining Ontario strong environmental protection
and on then bring the creation of the complete communities
within the highway forty eight corridor
I am particularly paying attention
what do you just say
follow up for Bali senior home
a portable and rental housing market for young people
and surprisingly of all these comment about twenty three to
twenty four feet wide come home as compared to the
fifteen white home built by most builder in the industry
this morning
I supported a motion on the long term care application
focus for considering the urgency needs all which I just
paid affordable operable issue for our senior
young people and the rental market
so I will support this application going follow thank you
councillor McAlpine
thank you Mr chair and I'm like to say I
I agree with much with the the mayor had to
say ... and ... you know and some of the
improvements I guess that's the application that that have been
sort of expressed here today in the park land and
so forth
I'm a little bit concerned about the placement of affordable
seniors housing on that in in a place that's not
well served by transit ... ... I think that's not
necessarily a good planning outcome I think some work to
be done there but all of that ... ... ...
and I would also agree with that with the Mayor
that that that the planning process is broken I I
agree and I think we would all agree with that
but to me the solution isn't to bypass the planning
process the solution is to fix the planning process and
... and I think we we would serve ourselves better
by working out what we can do to improve the
planning process in conjunction with with the region obviously and
... and then making proposals to the provinces to what
they need to do as opposed to just sitting back
and saying all the planning process is broken it's broken
fix it and ... and while and while you figure
out how to fix it will just we'll do this
this kind of ad hoc planning ... I just don't
think that's the the right solution we're making decisions here
that will have an impact for hundreds of years and
... have major environmental impacts and to simply sort of
do them on that they say kind of an ad
hoc basis I think it is it's just simply not
not good planning it's also not clear to me at
all nobody has really made the case at all today
as to why we have to go through this process
by and Ms at all why doesn't the developers simply
put forward at the dead be a an OPA application
just like anybody else how much work to the tended
to to process like we would any other application and
again if we want to figure out how we can
do that more efficiently than in the past all to
the good ... but why we need an Ms and
... to the to do this is beyond me at
this point ... and ... and again I have to
support the staff ... position that there's an awful lot
of home work still to be done to determine whether
this is the right the right location and I and
it would not surprise me if in fact coming out
of the the the regional the MCR that in fact
... there is some allocation of ... or a suggestion
of a of an urban boundary expansion into markets in
this location and so as councillor Keith pointed out that's
really the only ... place or direction that still has
to expand ... so it may well be that this
is a logical place but we just don't
no and you know why we hire staff and experts
in higher all these consultants simply to just ignore them
and bypass them and and and and and do our
own thing ... I think we need to we need
to listen ... we need to have all the information
in front of us before we make these sorts of
decisions and quite frankly we don't have that information for
us today we're talking about a few months we're not
talking about years and years so I don't really understand
the Russian this case I appreciate that affordable housing is
an issue cetera etcetera but it's been an issue for
years and years and years and why suddenly we have
to rush ahead by a few months ... is not
it's not obvious to me at all so ... I
will be supporting the staff direction thank you
councillor ray
thank you
I agree a hundred percent with what that counts McAlpine
just and I did does she care over the weekend
so we had a couple conversations
if you were deferred this application for now until the
region does to review
I'm having setbacks the consulting keeps saying you know we
need to Sam said ... because we're gonna do affordable
housing we gonna do seniors housing so what is affordable
housing
I don't personally believe that we will be able to
have affordable housing for purchase anywhere in Markham Lancaster expensive
and the days of buying properties of four hundred five
hundred thousand a long gone
put in a second fleets whether it's on the main
floor the basement or the second story in the million
dollar plus town house is not in my definition of
affordable housing
we are missing purpose built rentals and I applaud Giaschi
careful putting into apartment buildings and now the third one
so thank you and designated name for seniors
these apartments and not within walking distance your transit grocery
stores or mean it is there was a little hard
to tell on the map where the building was actually
gonna go so I'm gonna take cost way on nineteenth
Avenue between them
McAlinden Markham road that is not walkable to go to
Markham road and then north up to the SmartCentres
... I did talk to she care about seniors housing
and asked me if he had time to go visit
park view in Easton gate which is install which is
the closest
park view villages seniors housing consisting of a rental buildings
life please bungalows with no basements
long term care a cafe which is open to buy
lunches for the seniors a library and a full calendar
of events and activities the seniors to be engaged in
that is what is needed for seniors
this land was sold and it will never be farmland
again I pre and I understand that it is going
to be developed whether it's today five years ten years
or forty years in the future there will be development
on this property the question is should it be zoned
for development today
I'm going to guess that every single developer that owns
land is listening in to see what we say
whether it's green park that that my commode major mackenzie
whether it's in Cornell whether it's in line staff whether
it's one young St Buttonville they're all gonna be looking
to see what we say and they're all they all
want a fast track process with no public consultation and
that the province approve the zoning
we will have a little say on a few things
but the zoning will already be in place
Shakira did express interest in building something that is similar
to park view but that is not what is being
asked for today we cannot fast track process remove public
consultation in Norfolk in ignored the region's M. C. R.
is M. said always premature and we should support the
staff recommendation
well serviceman
thank you Mr chair
you know I am the today it's been a real
learning lesson for me
I have read all these ... thirty or forty different
emails that have gone on this issue and then of
course so many brilliant people have spoken again today and
that was really really sort of ... I was able
to grasp quite a few things and I think it's
a great process that we have well having public input
to me this is public input
I think the Mayor has shut explained what he has
been able to achieve with the builder
and I think the be ... the output that he's
been able to get meeting Dave forty acre park and
the additional seniors building affordable building one hundred percent affordable
and some of the questions that have been raised by
my fellow councillors
we do this year's walk by the way I don't
see many seniors walking can you anybody tell me where
is it should I in downtown somewhere seniors ... get
the the either they take their cars with their kids
or they are driven by the do you go by
the bus or not a major me so this question
already walking seniors on nineteen blind to reserve ready please
you know the other question that I would buy again
this is not that I'm a trying to answer the
questions raised by my fellow councillors would still have some
things in mind what was my mind changed a little
we should hide the stuff so that they can meet
are you expecting the stock to make decisions I don't
view it elected to make decisions from the expertise of
this stuff that's how it is supposed to be you
get the input and then these thirteen don't have me
sorry
and
and you said you'd be able then make the decisions
and that's how I like it so do you remember
have by dragonfish we are the ones who can be
making a decision not to stop otherwise we don't need
you councillors let this job on the city
now you know why I like this because I think
this development again that has been spoken before
one of the issues that we have really is that
the ... we're seeing the ... the infantry's scares and
broke his nose this
I promise once some obligation this process so until we
can fix it
what it what it needs to fix we should be
able to fix it until then I don't think the
applicant should be suffering does because we haven't got a
lot of our house in order
so I I think what a lot of people on
because I but I would be able to make a
lot of notes so ... from the input that I
got today but I think the important thing is again
and I think the room the mayor said well the
service connections to for the benefit of Dixon hill I
think that's a very important issue for that if they're
going to get it which this application I think this
is fantastic
so would really be getting here is a complete community
the farmers already sold his land the farmer decided that
he no longer wants to do is farming
and since when do we judge somebody what do you
what to do
so the farmers made a decision the applicant is in
and I think this is one of the good that
dive word today since morning will he is compromised and
is given back to the community even though he's philanthropic
things I I don't wanna make a comment on that
that's his personal business or his company's business but as
far as this project is concerned here's again being generous
and we're wise offering we are all dreaming that how
can we get these affordable housing I think at every
meeting to talk about we've done a builders you must
can you give us to be units it is going
to give you a whole
so I am taking this very seriously and Mr Mayor
I'm gonna second your motion if you are the local
councillor has a year yet seconded it I'll be I'll
be very happy to second the motion because I think
we should support this and and and get the development
that is needed in that area I can also host
none Amanda is go up to blast and she's got
a motion that she'll be making that's that's okay I
do want to make sure that it is seconded Pacific
councillor it's going to be great local councillor thank
okay
anyways thank you okay your comments regional councillor he's
thank you Mr chair is three forty I. I. S.
soon we're gonna come to the end of this sometime
before dinner or else we'll have to announce that a
half an hour so this is our longest meeting in
quite awhile ... yeah I just wanted to say that
to
I am very surprised Mister chair add to the approach
which I think council maybe taking next there have been
no no ... ... amendment to presented ... to the
proposed staff for a motion and ... I support the
proposed staff motion as listed ... I don't this is
going to
we have been working very hard on making out transit
oriented community you yourself are the best known on our
council for that purpose this is going to be the
most car oriented ... development made significant development than we
do yeah in ... quite some time ... it it
wouldn't be not very well serviced by transit ... it's
not as if there's going to be ... every ten
or twenty minute buses along nineteenth Avenue ... let alone
... further up that way
it is a long way away from shopping
it's about two to three kilometers which means you're driving
... to move the the US market center ... mention
install real let alone down let's say you go down
the columns a lot closer to you so a little
bit further so it's gonna be occurring in the community
the other thing is going to be is not affordable
you heard the definition as when I asked about what
affordable meant to them it's the same price as townhouses
a little bit removed from the center ... and probably
not that different than the townhouses that might be build
install will accept an original thought and I really do
applaud original thoughts on that and there will be the
building now a second suites which allows someone who is
paying the eight hundred thousand dollars for the townhouses ...
to get some money back and also be able to
afford it's almost double the price of that the region
pushing for affordable which there was no answer on the
on the singles ... we actually didn't hear price on
singles are I have no doubt it's over million over
the million dollar level
but nevertheless ... if people actually think on our council
but this is affordable then they ought to just go
back two weeks and see how our portable was to
find out when we had a workshop on the subject
a good deal lower than this so it's neither affordable
it is in a you know it's going to it
doesn't got long term care but I would advise the
people are listening I would advise the developers of the
land owners who are listening and there are probably as
one of the other council sets many listening ... and
they're trying to see how that they get their land
that is not in the urban boundary how did they
get it developed sooner rather than ten twenty or thirty
years from now you know they're sitting on investment equity
etcetera in a be best to get that money moves
well tell you come with three things to the province
and then Martin council by the looks of it will
be persuaded say something about long term care say something
about seniors and then say something about affordable and now
we have heard about the long term care in the
previous one and I certainly applaud that but if you
bring those things in there's a good chance you can
jump the queue that's really what we're looking at is
how do you get around the political system that we
have established and run with for many years here in
in Markham on how planning is orderly our planning will
each age ... five to ten years we'll take another
small amount they will take in this quadrant or what
have you and then the next ... ten years will
take a few more ... Markham has and we heard
at the region five regional councillors given the current system
we have land in the White House in Markham which
could remain still in the white belt and not in
the urban boundary in twenty fifty one thirty years from
now we have the ability we have intersected the lands
in the white belts which takes is this all this
land is white that would set her off to the
east even further we have landed that the region estimated
two weeks ago will remain
still White built and nonlinear boundaries for and thirty years
well of course what I'm saying to the people who
are listening Mr chair is you better find a way
to get around that or else you could be sitting
with land on your hand for thirty years how do
you get around it long term care has to be
in your development somewhere you have to appeal to somehow
procedures although all tell you the housing situation is much
worse for single families for families who are the working
poor um that's the ones you really have the greatest
need and then you wanna talk about affordable whether it's
affordable or not that will allow you to jump the
queue
so that's what we're doing right now we're avoiding the
system that we established in over many many years we
work on so I sit and we're also when we
missing well we orderly planning is at the window that's
what this is and ... we're also not going to
the public now I will present to my motion again
... ... that the recommendations ... go to I changed
from special counsel next week through a future council needy
... after ... ... any after holding a ... community
information meeting and yet for
I do think that's important we're skipping that as well
the defense is that we are committing are in the
process of committee against the orderly planning system that we've
had and being a part of your the chair Mister
Mister chair you you run it and if you can
be proud of the system that you been the chair
of the committee the the offenses against the orderly system
of planning R. as long as my arm
we should not be doing this we should not be
... listening to this if you and we and we
can talk about a boundary change today you know that
did come up maybe we just give it all snowball
that doesn't mean that the official plan and that doesn't
mean it's the overall planning system comes into in place
and all of a sudden it goes down to nineteen
that being said so ... you know I just think
that ... and we should look at least holding a
public meeting let's hear what public say at least don't
do that offense the planning system ... and ... we
got lots of time we asked whether or not there
was a ... any need to be rushed on this
I'm sure ... one or two weeks to more or
three weeks more can be and also that would be
my ... amendments ... that the recommendations ... go through
a future council meeting
absolutely
click she's gonna move the motion and yet you can
see what it is and then you thought I'd like
to move right like to move while I've been holding
you know you I'd like to move the motion of
the staff is presented the recommendations that have been brought
forward by the staff I'd like to move that and
no one smoked it and maybe there's a second ...
I got shot it's her ward she is asked to
be lasting she wants she's got a motion she's gonna
move an amendment if she wishes ... ... and parts
that then she
someone else may wish to move it I'm not I'm
already hopeless due respect the other local councillor I have
asked to be a speaking ... to be the last
one to speak so let me see you respect the
local councillor to to speak for all I have no
idea modeling
we're speaking I know I've made a motion some we
turn any speaker the recommendation of nociceptive nerves and I'm
I'm not and seconded Mr chair there could be a
motion to
recommendation councillor clergy Austin hour and a half ago the
last and she has a motion okay yeah okay thank
you I thank you Mr chair really really appreciate it
... I was going to speak actually before lunch time
barred sour cherry said that you know what let all
the councils speak first and ... I do appreciate that
are giving me the opportunity to finally speak this is
my first time to speak and I've been extremely extremely
patients you want to listen to all the ... you
know all the previous speaker sound you know to express
their opinions manner and also ... the perspective as well
I'm going to have for the last many years Samuel
as soon as I got a lack of the councillors
no back in twenty fourteen ... your affordable housing and
senior housing has always been on top of the hour
many residents sound mind and that in fact in my
ward you know I can't could only wish to have
applications you'll related to senior housing I'll be a long
term care definitely you know we are or we all
know that you know the community is in our dying
need like huge need for long term care but I
think that the old most of the the people probably
kinda neglected ... independence our senior living you know people
like say for example you all my own mother or
my mother in law you know who can you know
take care of themselves but they want a place for
their wrong and it is something that I have been
always advocating and ... also ... soliciting ... developers every
time that they went when they have five applications come
come ye and I always ask them what is your
components to support that type of that group of residents
or citizens so ... obviously you know when I when
I saw this application come in and I do agree
with the walks ... the Mayor has to say that
you know that the
it's not a a spots you'll type of the development
our our application this application is really could in conjunction
with what is already approved by the I'll go to
council of FISA I tell still fill up north there
and ... most often that you know we see a
developing ... development which is the old kind of to
worse to the south and we complain about the traffic
because you know all the traffic always go to the
south and and west and this development is actually north
east which is I I in my opinion I think
that is fantastic because you know we we're not going
to be adding your traffic to the most congested out
way already ... yeah which is to the north east
and ... no I really like the the components of
... ... those so senior buildings and Daniel I do
hope that the applicants would also add ... out to
the ... the the bottom amenities would allow ... no
doctor's office or ... don't like medical offices there to
support that community as well ... so we'll which is
so very very important for many seniors and in fact
in the past ... I have always been advocating that
... you'll any application related to senior senior housing or
affordable housing should be ... somehow on your speed dial
in terms of the process because you know we we
frankly we don't have enough of that type of the
application that we don't have enough stock like that kind
of housing stock I easy of Markham or even the
in the GTA area so with that ... I'm really
in support of this application in fact I am really
excited to see this is happening in
in my war again thanks to to ... that time
will still feel ... you'll because they're they're do all
majority of the chunk of the development is really in
in their town and ... the old the the north
part of my ward how or secure Markham is benefiting
from whites ... a majority of that develop in is
that happening it it's going to happen in that in
still feel so I Mr tab I actually missed the
chair ... I'm going to move to ... I support
our this application with the amendments that the ... the
Mayor has mentioned and also I wanted to make sure
that are the applicants I it's also are considering ...
yell at the bottom floor all of those city ...
buildings that would have ... does some medical centers site
amenities so that many of the seniors don't have to
go go too far out to pick up the medication
or goes to a doctor or down no to do
blood Pastorini of the health check ... I think that
this pending make has really taught us a lot of
lessons including how we can actually protect our seniors ...
you know if we have those type of our facilities
are downstairs it would actually help our seniors to provide
more via the convenience and also a safety protection as
well so I know that it's ... councillor keys meeting
is actually right next to my ward and I know
that you know he's residents with with repair likely be
... benefits ... from from this development so I believe
that that council the cases okay to second it
yes
okay that's it yes I just wanted to move the
motion thank you
I remember years ago when we were doing that green
belts white belt I forget how many years ago it's
not Frank it though it that eleven hundred node at
the Hilton suites
I can't hear you
12 years ago 1213 years ago
but one of the things okay that's been change okay
we're we're doing a planning based at twenty forty one
now it's fifty one but if you're going to integrate
transit into into it too is probably twenty sixty one
anything that I said back then thirteen years ago I'm
in favor of doing complete planning and and so my
recommendation to staff would be start planning the rest right
over the forty eight one there and you can freeze
but we should start planning that implant a complete integrated
community and plan to what we're gonna be when they
grow up and it's a lot easier to eat to
start really planning your integrated rail transit is when you
have the complete plan so I support your motion that
you just made but I think gonna ... looks the
planning staff should be trying to figure out a way
how they could complete the future urban areas right or
forty eight to
I have no speakers
come on their stupidity
so Mister chair I just wanna make sure ... that
all the elements were captured in concert Collucci stop motion
and that is ... the requirement of a four acre
park above the ... Park dedication required for under the
planning act the contribution of the capital dollars towards the
construction of the park ... and that ... an additional
... seniors building one hundred units of affordable rental as
defined under York regions are definition for a affordable ...
... rental and that the environmental impact studies be undertaken
and that T. RCA conditions be incorporated as part of
the ... conditions of of approval and that the site
plan ... remained are under the control of the city
of Barca and ... I guess it has to be
a supper clause which include the clause councillor ray refer
to ... the ...
I guess permission to have Sammy's
and what was that I wanna make sure capture all
the range that the OP Sammy's just American check check
and jump in so semi detached houses
yeah duplexes tri plex
for praxis
bungalows the bungalows offs and bunga towns
okay so that that be included in the range of
... Club uses and ...
sorry it was one more
what things
so yes Mr chair sorry I'd also like the inclusion
and ... I think we'll leave it more general now
but also the inclusion of ... ... some commercial ...
and again I think it speaks to our accounts are
Collucci touched on one aspect of it and that is
... having some ... medical ... and I would be
incorporated but ... also some commercial art you know I
at this notion and maybe I'll say a little bit
more at another time ... but we have seniors within
in different facilities now some of them actually are in
close proximity of shopping yet they still get a bus
to pick them up and take them to go shopping
... so again I'm not gonna go and and debate
necessarily all of the points that were raised fair to
say that there is shopping close by yeah there may
have to be a shuttle bus that takes on there
but then I I wouldn't want to exclude ... commercial
... completely in that you know that can be incorporated
within the community ... without also be ... usana maybe
stopped and helped me there but I don't want to
get there I don't want to get a up
I'll tell you right now I don't want to have
those of the the big box retailers incorporate the side
because there across the street so ... I I wanna
make sure that's not what we're suggesting here and that
the proper working as a corporate sector allows for our
commercial but I think stop understand the type of commercial
so you might have to help in the wording here
... it's not it's not a whole sale a by
the way you can now set up on the big
box retailer here it's it's about incorporating detailed that sign
up it's obviously available to not just the seniors but
the families with them number
maybe start can help ... help craft that particular box
lots
and ... the other thank you Mr chairman it really
speaks to ... regional council pizza comments which
I'll tire I I
I've tried to stick to the issue and I will
stick to the issue I'll take my own advice ...
but after hearing those comments I I have a few
comments of my own for the next fifteen minutes and
I don't want to waste committees time ... by our
I would just say and I think others of Senate
while we get advice from our style
we take everything into consideration and then there's council makes
a decision and let's be very very clear
this is in front of us
we didn't ask to be here it's in front of
us and now we have a decision to make do
you want to incorporate these elements in a response to
the province to what's been put in front of us
or do you want not to do that and ...
you know maybe lose a an opportunity to get some
things for the city of Markham and that that's what
life is it's about decisions and ... and even when
you don't want to deal with something ... I think
you have to sort of make a statement about how
you want to deal with something and and ... trying
to avoid it doesn't necessarily get you anymore benefit for
the community that that we're trying to Sir ... so
I'll leave my comments for another day Mister chair ...
because everyone awaits committees time but I I will just
say that this should go to council tomorrow as well
and again I only say that because I think it's
before us because it's being given serious consideration and the
ward councillor and others you know we can help meetings
we can certainly provide further comments ... I I want
perhaps to take another two minutes for ... Carolines or
the commissioner just to confirm there will be other parts
of this process that will have to come back to
council and will be subject to artificial
planning hearing those elements of the planning process and maybe
they could describe what they are
Mr Mayor
thank you very much Mister chair the planning process is
subsequent to this and said ... and it's not flat
it would come in with a ... subdivision application
there are some blocks on the plans to there be
site plan required for all the blocks in the plan
to those processes staff will be engaged involved here statutory
requirements associated with these processes which do include public consultation
on the subdivision review they'll be dropped lands of sub
subdivision which will address many of the issues you're we
talk about today including servicing and ... and so forth
will be able to capture a lot of what we
talked about to that to that of doubt planned subdivision
process of falling which obviously they'll be registration and so
forth ... in terms of next steps up we've heard
Mr Mayor and ... Mister chair some of the comments
and ... cancer Collucci from your proposed a motion and
that somebody at the digitalized for council tomorrow what we
could do is bring back a ... a resolution that
council could consider dial can caps late will be heard
here today specifically around the provision of affordable housing we
talked a lot about that we talked about exceeding the
park land requirements and so forth so we could bring
some of that back to more to council Mr archer
and that works
and I start shooting stand up you want to speak
a few minutes ago so you still want to speak
secure
no Sir I'm good for now thank you all
thanks maybe I would just like to confirm hi ...
I agree with cancer Colucci of adding the commercial space
... ... on the main floor to have ... maybe
doctors offices or things like that and maybe like the
mayor said maybe even a little bit general so that
if he needed to have like a convenience or grocery
store for the seniors but we if we are given
a bit of flexibility that would just help us out
thank you Sir all
... grace can you put the you know the motion
up on the screen if you're gonna ready and in
Calgary Joe councillor Keith
thank you Mr chair ... ... I would like to
move but under management so I'm not going to insist
on the fact that the motion was on the floor
because I think from having read it reading the cards
... I can re did it it likely wouldn't pass
and just the latest all process ... so let's move
on if people don't agree with the motion being put
forward by council cheating Morgenstern as I will ... but
nevertheless are presented a ... an amendment there is no
urgency remember we talked about urgency to last time but
there is no urgency in this one ... so I
would like to move ... and members that the recommendations
... ... and ... as adopted by council ... and
no the recommendation go to future council ... ... after
holding a community information meeting in the end for ...
and so this would mean that it wouldn't go tomorrow
it could go in two weeks tomorrow ... ... but
in the interim there would be a ... community information
meeting such a ... such an amendment would at least
honor ... the process that ... we have always followed
here in Markham that church important should developments planning development
it's better I think this one is ... at least
to have a public meeting or a community meeting I
was it may not be required I remind council that
we unanimously sent down to the same ministry ... is
that going to get the response are requesting them to
introduce uh this kind of public consultations into the process
at present it's not there it would be reasonable for
Martin to honor the resolution we sent down two weeks
ago to have such a meeting even though it's right
now it's not in the process that's why we call
it community information meeting rather than a public meeting which
is the official word for it so there's my recommendation
... Ford amendment
and I'm hoping I can find a second year I
think we'll narrow strip hideous motion included going to council
tomorrow
yes and I'm making a ... a recommendation look at
their goal ... in probably in two weeks tomorrow I
think we have a meeting in two weeks tomorrow got
a next meeting in my mind ... but nevertheless it's
this of passes then back to the recommendation passes name
with the ... it we're going to weeks and I
think it's reasonable to ... we took it once already
and I'm I'm I'm thinking out because there's no rush
Mr chair ... that there may be others who would
like to support this time because it's not our urgent
need it's not urgent that we have some kind of
resolution by the end of the month
Skippy
our future
if the date is referencing reference I don't I don't
mind a reference to the community leading aren't for nations
meeting ... I think if the date is taken out
of that ... actually are friendly ... change that could
be incorporated ... I I I think it was very
evident this morning because of a number of factors why
so we probably should have gotten comments stock ... you
know funding for the LTC was was one of them
and I will go through the other elements I think
that with this I would really hate for us to
Mr a window of opportunity and ... I think guarantees
comments to the province we can always add more ...
but I think it it clearly states what our interests
are in our interests are in the interests of ...
of the broader community so certainly an information meeting I'll
tire ... I can't speak to it but I think
that's probably been ... certainly much more people aware in
that area related to the planning process and the witcher
Stovall side ... over the past several months and then
... this may generate ... that being sad ... I
think having a community meeting that that we can share
some of this information more widely but I would just
say this I I I think it's important we get
comments actually down to the province of Ontario because after
the fact so it's a little tougher to do and
I'm always one to say use the levers that you
have available to you to look out for what we
want and then that if we have more levers if
we have the luxury of more Sievers down the road
... ... then we use them but I'd hate for
that opportunity to pass by site I will disagree and
there were other other factors as to why getting comments
down the problem
once with the previous application and for this one I
would just say I don't want to miss the window
of opportunity
can you open up sold on the motion to go
to council tomorrow
... Mr okay I've got my thing on to speak
B. R. N. men's earlier meant it's councillor Calpine I'm
sorry
earn
thank you Mr chair ... yes it looks like ...
we need a second or for regional council heats motion
for the amendment so if he's if he still wants
to leave that amendment on the floor then I'll I'll
I'll seconded
and I also would like to respond very briefly to
a couple of comments from the Mayor ... ... I'm
not quite sure
really I was the target of of of his comments
and ... and I'm not quite sure why he was
getting so agitated when I said that we needed to
listen to our consultants and our expert staff and so
forth I was really quite frankly referring to the MCR
in the LNA and that absolutely I agree we need
to make decisions but we need to make decisions when
we have all the information and quite frankly were were
it looks like we're rushing to make a decision today
part partner ... and all in a border I want
to make it abundantly here are wasn't agitated because of
council McAlpine I was not at all no no I
was I I respect that perspective of getting a staff
comments and and I'd never at but I wasn't educated
... about anything you said after hearing a speech a
quite lengthy one I've got another
you say about refuting everything that was said and one
thing I will say is that if we're going to
share something publicly that was discussed in camera at least
get your information right but I'll leave that for another
day Mister chair and I wasn't educated about you at
all councillor
well thank you very much anyway my point was that
if we're going to involves as I said our consultants
and staff at the region of the city cetera ...
I think we do it behooves us to to to
listen to them not definitely to follow them but to
listen to them and can make make sure we have
all the information and quite frankly we don't have all
the information today so I'm as I said earlier I
think ... it premature to B. two B. ... ...
voting on this application and it's not clear to me
at all white needs to go by and Ms that
out ... what's the rush there's no emergency ... and
I think we would make better planning decisions anyway I
will second ... ... councillor it's a regional conflict
also right
thank you and the other adjustment that needs to be
made in the ... amendments that Mr method risk here
is that the number of units had gone down so
that needs to be incorporated in the resolution the staff
councillor hosted and the other thing Mr Mr tears ...
regional council he put the motion on the floor to
meet the staff recommendation I second it suits their to
be voted so it needs to be voted down first
also right motions already on the floor I was holding
it down councillor Colucci had indicated an hour and a
half or actually book two or three hours ago that
location read the rest of us didn't know so maybe
the club can help out but there is a motion
on the floor and that can be voted down and
then council pollute you can put her motion and that's
the way my understanding is how it works but there
is a motion on the floor and then now we
have the amendment to the motion right so we're not
making up the rules as we go I'm
I'll post the chair I am withdrawing my motion my
account as well as you can and I don't want
to delay distribu longer work or fourteen I can see
on my clock so I'm withdrawing my motion in favor
of their what they recommend staff recommendation council include cheese
motion is what we vote on okay enough the first
thing if I'm one of the vote on the amendment
is
2 weeks to council instead of tomorrow
okay can
if you wanna
can we gotta do the roll call ... he's in
favor Mr Mayor
Marge's gonna say just just be clear what you're asking
us to vote on because ... particularly in this form
I don't want any misunderstandings at all yes tomorrow is
what
the night
so instead of going to nine it's going to go
to two weeks from that once the next council working
days all
January twenty third so instead of the nine go to
February twenty third
all in favor
mmhm well I agree that includes Mr share any community
information meeting in the end for
that that that's part of it I mean there's no
need to delay it if you're not doing something Indian
we'll be doing a lot of information
I have 4 opposed
where's your hand Mr Mayor I'm sorry you didn't say
in favor also had Florida okay a post
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TJ Jones nine for the night okay now will go
back to the main motion which is councillor Collucci certainly
yeah with masking fifties the add ons
can you put up on the screen please slash race
that's
sorry
check
that would be
you could a little bigger
the thing on the bottom right hand corner just move
that
yeah
the
Mr chairman there's no approval in their their needs vehicle
route
even though I'm not favorite there's no approval clause in
there which has been taken out of the old one
which for the staff turned down now and yet to
have that it be approved
she
can you
so
can we put approval that we which are
we're looking at yeah
and Committee approved the consent of all
with the following conditions Mr I think the wording is
not approved we don't we don't approve ministers owning orders
but support with the following conditions
when committee supports the Ministry of sorting order with the
following additional permit conditions
we could see committee not to council
especially
all ICS which
okay
everybody okay with that yeah
Mr Mayor
I can't see anybody
loans chair I think ... I mean stock could fix
this up but I I really think that so after
clause one
yes I understand the intent of the resolution so you
have clause one and I think clause to because that
will be ... you know are because this does go
to council this isn't delegated to ... development services close
to would be ... that the city of Markham supports
B. at AM central and our obviously there's a number
or some kind of number associated with that I think
they can put that in later the city of Markham
supports that the minister zoning ... order which is ...
the following conditions and request the minister peninsula municipal affairs
to include these conditions in order
so
okay
so should she give
what
this okay well you can work it you can check
set up after that Mr chairman what about the servicing
it they should be in there is the condition I
think it should or is the covered in something that's
already there the first
I think we need it in there
the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant
yeah sure Prasad we needed and yes Mr chairman you
definitely needed in there I think it could be that
confirmation of the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant
so is that for a minute there I thought I
was talking to myself
and Mister chair Mister chair we could that stop look
at this tonight and
the matter is making it all the lots are
it's servicing servicing arrangements
I see I NG
okay maybe just put municipal servicing in front municipal just
to be clear
okay
the staff to clean it up has to be absolutely
Mister chairman was the consistent I to get back to
you okay can I share last year sorry not and
I may have confused the issue ... when I said
that so
the applicant had offered up to additional acres it's not
expanding the existing park from two it would it would
that the applicants ...
and and again it whether it's the applicant or the
ministers zoning order but either way the applicant provide
shortly yours
of occasional park land
above and beyond the requirements in the planning act
so would be our transitional four acre park as I
said whatever amenities we alternately decided if this zoning order
gets gets approved
the park land dedication in in the planning act
required by the planning act sorry
we're
okay
I can't he would go along so everybody okay with
that Mr merry okay
the next order we've we've missed anything bigger probably catch
it tomorrow it accounts okay so let's go to this
so I can of the boat because I can't see
anybody
so all in favor of the
Clea
motion
the Cao one
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questions where are we now
second markets general be at another date
we don't need the part will have the presentation everything
motions anybody got any
regional council he
we did did for Mr chaired the Markham center to
... another DST but we also have the ... the
confidential agenda and I read it carefully ... I eat
let's get into that I just wanna go through ...
I was just gonna recommend we send it on to
council ... ... it to
I have no problem with that
it
moved the motion sent on the council's seconded by councilor
Luci all in favor
opposed carries
so there's no motions no notice of motions any new
or other business
announcements
so we just have a motion to adjourn
moved by concert Eastman second by councillor I Keyes all
in favor
opposed carries 6
four twenty five jujur four twenty five well I think
so lot of territory
one way or the other
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