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good morning

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Jim Johnson share of the global services and welcome to

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today's meeting of the city of Markham's development services committee

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kind of those in favor tentacles deputations although we are

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gathered remotely all of our proceedings remain open to the

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confidential matters there are confidential items scheduled on today's meeting

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when reached the section of the being the only required

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members are requested us to ... remain on the current

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zoom meeting link let's begin one of the things are

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going to do today on the agenda we're gonna do

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items seven one in seven to

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and ... this I believe it's one of the items

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or maybe both one of the items will take a

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long time and we're going to ...

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whatever time when finished we're not we're we're asking the

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people who are doing the Markham city center that plan

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to be on stream at twelve thirty so if we're

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done a quarter to twelve take a lunch break or

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... if we're done at twelve will still take the

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lunch break in the back to twelve thirty four done

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later we will look at that time on okay so

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because we do have the applications on the market center

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I have nine deputations on item seven to

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so I think we can get going

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yeah can I

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not a slur can you do a roll call of

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the council ... the committee members that are here

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Irish here

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councillor hole president

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councillor one here

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councillor rate

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councillor Usman present

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councillor we present

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more regional councillor he

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president

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regional councillor lean I sent

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regional council Jones press

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Deputy Mayor Hamilton

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Mayor skyrocketing

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all members of council are here today you have a

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quorum it's section of

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in regional council be

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read your account clerking this year only showed up

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is there any disclosure of pecuniary interests

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seeing none

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I like the approval of the previous minutes which is

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the development services committee that minutes January twenty fifth

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comment on that let's

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I have a comment on the previous minutes okay

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moved ministers will be moved by

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respondents sector by the Deputy Mayor Hamilton

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councillor ray Hey on the I. ninety nine hundred Markham

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it was requested that staff to provide an update status

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report on the vacant heritage buildings within the city in

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any process and process improvements I asked for that to

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be done in ninety days otherwise it'll go missing and

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it's a more about the enforcement which so Reagan has

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a list of her to chose but so I'm is

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gonna bring back the enforcement on it as well so

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I just wanna make sure the invoice mentioned in their

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within ninety days

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so it doesn't get lost

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thank you

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so all in favor

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opposed carries

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we'll do the deputations with the item

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communications received from

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we had twenty six on the ... thanks for us

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you gave me another

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overall we got about 70

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blinders okay communications moved to receive the communications

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councillor Lee and seconded by councillor Paul all in favor

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oppose carrots no no projections

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and a on the regular report ... seven point one

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city of Markham comments to the province on a ministers

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owning a larger request by Maanshan foundation to remain at

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a long term care facility

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within a learning center an assisted living communication at thirty

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six apple creek Boulevard Ward two Mr commissioner you wanna

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kick this off yes thank you Mr chairman for the

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opportunity so we have request you have received a request

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from the province of Ontario for comments on the proposed

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ministers only water this is by the Maanshan foundation

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and it's not you to permit a long term care

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facility there is a learning center component there's also an

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assisted living ... community also being a proposed at thirty

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six apple creek Boulevard

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hello this is apple creek and ... just east of

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Woodbine

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... this is within ... so employment lands I was

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surrounded by some employment lands and ... this is ...

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and ... and item that staff would be working on

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it's been led by Stephen Lew Stephen to manager in

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our planning department

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and ... Mister chairman Stephen is here with a ...

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short our presentation and then if you're a willing you

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can introduce the representatives from Maanshan iron and they also

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have a short presentation

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a Stephen

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thank you Mr Prasad's ... and and good morning committee

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and and and members of committee here are today we

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do have Stephanie Wong we have Frank child and we

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have ... ... that Tim Klein are from Maanshan foundation

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we also have all been theater from image you see

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who's representing ... Maanshan there's any consultants I do have

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a quick presentation I do want to share with you

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one second

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Mr Prasad mentioned I am Stephen ... I am the

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manager of the central planning district in the city of

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Markham ... today as I said we have a presentation

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to committee on the city's comments the province on Marchand's

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ministers only order request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard

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section forty seven of the planning act provides the Ministry

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principal fears and housing with authority to make ends it

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does Mr zoning orders to control use of land anywhere

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in Ontario and it does require mail over local plans

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and zoning bylaws and they're intended to be used to

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protect matters of provincial interest

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Furthermore ministers decision on Ms L. application is required to

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be consistent with the provincial policy statement and that's in

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accordance with the planning act

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on February second two thousand twenty one the Ministry requested

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for the city of Markham comments on Marchand's spends that'll

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request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard

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to set the context in twenty twenty the Ontario government's

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committed to an aggressive modernization plan to create a long

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term care facility long term care sector that is really

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resident centered while providing high quality care

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the commitment included point seven five billion dollar investment to

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create thirty thousand modern long term care spaces over ten

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years

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the new spaces would increase access to long term care

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to meet clinical safety and social needs of Ontarians

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respecting the policy context the centre image here

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shows that apple creek Boulevard is located east of Woodbine

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Avenue on the west side of the Rouge river system

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and on the north side of apple creek road

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the image on the left here

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is an excerpt from York region's official plan where designates

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thirty six apple creek as urban area and regional agreements

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system

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the regional official plan requires a local municipalities to designate

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and protect employment lands in local municipal official plans and

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only permits the conversion to non employment uses through the

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municipal comprehensive review

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Furthermore the policies require local official plans to identify opportunities

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to integrate the regional green land system into community design

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encourage remedial works hands means opportunities which can be determined

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through a future municipal site plan approval application and approval

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by the Toronto region conservation authority

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the image to the right here

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is an excerpt from the city's official plan which designates

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thirty six appropriate as business parks and greenway system

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with an employment areas the policies of our official plan

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like for a range of employment uses a corporate location

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contributes to the creation of complete communities and protection of

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employment lands land uses that may affect the continued viability

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of existing employment uses

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similar to the official plan of the region the city's

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official plan only permits the conversion of employment lands to

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non employment uses through municipal comprehensive review or an ANSI

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art

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in Q. three twenty twenty March John expressed interest to

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locate a long term care facility and life lease housing

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at thirty six apple creek to provide for the escalating

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demands for support to the city's aging population

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in fact the Markham older adults strategy report from two

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thousand seventeen identified a hundred and twenty three percent increase

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expected growth of older adults from twenty eleven to twenty

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twenty six

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compared to sixteen percent increase of adults and five percent

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of you

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as already noted the thirty six apple creek Boulevard location

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is currently within an existing and established business park employment

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area

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the introduction of the Maanshan development is considered an employment

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land conversion

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York region is currently conducting a review of its official

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plan through an MCR process

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the growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe requires the

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designation of employment areas in the regional official plan only

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allows for employment your conversions through regional and see our

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the region opposed the November twenty nine two thousand nineteen

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deadline for conversion request submissions as part of their current

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and see our process

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in response the timing challenges and in light of the

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twenty twenty provincial government commitments resulting from York region no

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longer considering any further employment conversions during their MCR process

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Maanshan foundation requested the minister minutes photo appears and housing

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for themselves

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Ms that'll request books the following

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construction of two new seven story mixed use buildings as

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conceptually showing here

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the proposed development consists of an approximate GFA of fifty

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two thousand square meters I density of two point five

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F. aside and includes a hundred and twelve parking spaces

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building one

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right here along apple creek includes approximately two hundred and

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fifty affordable units life least likely skewness

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in a mixed use building approximately thirty one thousand square

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meters

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with a vocational training centre for personal support workers I

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heritage learning center

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and after school and weekend heritage and immersion youth programs

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like space age in place opportunities

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building too at the rear of the property

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includes approximately a hundred and sixty bed long term care

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facility with about sixteen thousand square meters including medical exam

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rooms classrooms and a comment residents dining hall

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upon review and consultation with the city's engineering urban design

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policy planning environmental planning and development planning teams the following

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is recommended

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that the City courts the M. zero request by Maanshan

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subject to the recommendation zoning standards attached in appendix D.

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this particular fabric a twenty twenty one staff report and

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for the following reasons

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both nearby low rise residential to the east the main

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distinguishing factor with the subject lands its location at the

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periphery of an existing employment area

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and it's a media adjacency to the north south and

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west businesses exist smaller scale office industrial and retail uses

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a further contextual distinguishes the location of the subject from

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its overall employment area in the vicinity shown in figure

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two of the attached report

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between reasons a and B. the introduction of Maanshan developments

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which is a sense of land use would less likely

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destabilize the remaining employment area while the adjacent smaller scale

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uses will likely not negatively impact the development

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additionally the subject lands are within the built up area

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that is well served with existing infrastructure including water and

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sanitary

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other supporting services within a five hundred metre radius of

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the subject lands would complement the uses proposed in the

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end that all requests including but not limited to medical

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facilities retail places of worship and educational institute

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as reflected in appendix D. other tax report staff recommends

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the proposed development as part of Marchand's and that ...

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request be subject to the city site plan control process

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being the optimal tool to enable a thorough and full

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some evaluation of the proposal

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Maanshan is aware of this and a high staff they

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have no objection

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and staff recommend intricate the introduction of the full one

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sorry the old one open spaces a home in the

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draft and that'll that would ensure the protection and enhancement

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of the interface with the natural heritage features immediately east

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Maanshan is aware of this and by staff they have

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no objection

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for the next steps staff recommends the February two thousand

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twenty one report be forwarded to the Ministry York region

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and a trauma region conservation authority as Markham's comments on

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the Maanshan foundation ends at a request for thirty six

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apple creek Boulevard

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thank you this concludes staff's presentation on and that report

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I will now head over to Albin Theodore planning consultants

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for Marcia foundation

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hello I just have a

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Deputy Mayor Hamilton one the question to you steeple

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yes Mr

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unmute yourself okay

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okay go ahead not

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yes thanks Mr Charles gonna wait till after the present

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all the presentations were

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okay we'll do that thank you

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next is so this won't

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is it Stephanie Wong are you making the presentation

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no Mr Jacobs albeit or from M. H. B. C.

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okay Oakland

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thank you Mr chair a wasn't able to

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... I need myself until now ... I'm going to

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share screen

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I wanna make sure that everyone is able to see

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our presentation

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so just stop thank you everyone and ... our presentation

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is going to be our presenter by a number of

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of us from from Sean Chen Quan ... representing Maanshan

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myself ... ... represent much of a planning perspective in

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our architect ... Michael I will also be speaking just

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to some of the specifics of the proposal ...

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it's an honor to be able to speak today ...

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I request for support of an and settle for a

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mixed use multi purpose continuum of care seniors living facility

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... what I'd like to do is ... I'll turn

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it over to him who's going to speak a bit

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about Maanshan with history um and what motion generally don't

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thank you Evelyn

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this is chairman and members of council my name is

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Tim Kwan

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I'm D. volunteer chairman of monsoon foundation

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for more than 10 years now

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to get with me today

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our number one all past presidents current director and board

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advisor saying Charles

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N. I. S. C. O. Stephanie Wong

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all planner Elden CeeLo who just spoke

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an architect Michael Nicholas Smith

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so this project we

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seeking to support all

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city of Markham

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on the project which will consist of 3 major items

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number one one hundred and sixty long term capex all

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private

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the light of the recent endemic infections

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the assistant affordable senior Caleb

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the third component will be PSW training school training center

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all together this will be a continuum of care

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well we have a short very short redial to

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... ... the several cells as to the services we

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provide to the community

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I hope this coming on the screen for you right

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now

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N. P.

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the video presentation is about one minute

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here it is

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yeah

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the long term care

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I saw

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I don't know what it everyone's got the video because

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I don't

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okay everyone the C. D. D. audio part of it

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did you get the other part because I did not

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get it

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although

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and that's okay I think he may just tells ...

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what we're doing and

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was this year's permission I don't want to take more

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time and replay it suffice to say that we provide

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services in the food sectors of long term care about

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who was senior private chair and serving well over a

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few thousand

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residents twenty four seven as well as residents people who

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are coming in during the week

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all right was there I'm good to go back to

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... ... didn't see it all to talk more specifically

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about the site and the application

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Mr chip

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thank you Jim I'm sorry about the technical difficulties in

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terms of the volume ... so just to put the

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problem into contacts in terms of the trends for long

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term care ...

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the fifty five thousand marchers ... require long term care

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placement in twenty thirty three to twenty thirty four of

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that ... the number visible minority seniors in on terror

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increased by forty four percent between twenty eleven to twenty

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sixteen that compared to a sixteen percent increase among non

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visible minorities seniors

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and what that sixty percent of the twenty LTC homes

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with the longest median wait times are no specific or

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religious homes and that includes Marchand's Scarborough and Richmond hill

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... to see homes which are ranked number three and

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number four respectively and that list of top twenty

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... and the central local health integrated network of which

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Markham is a part of it is on track to

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become the region with the longest LTC wait times ...

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skiing and Marchand's Richmond hill okay if you centre has

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the longest wait times in the region so that's just

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putting a bit of the problem into context

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when we look from a ... provincial policy perspective ...

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we know that of the provincial policy statement ... looks

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for an appropriate range and mix of housing options to

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meet projected market needs by promoting and facilitating all housing

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options required to meet social health economic well being requirements

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for Kurt for current and future residents

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we also counters action plan twenty twenty ... which Stephen

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spoke to ... which notes that thirty eight thousand Ontarians

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are currently waiting to get into long term care homes

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and some of the objectives of that plan which includes

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eliminating four bed wards in on tears up you see

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homes prioritizing new bags that serve cultural needs

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building thirty thousand new long term care beds over the

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next ten years the choosing an average rate of daily

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direct patient care of four hours a day per resident

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by twenty twenty four twenty twenty five

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from a regional perspective York region senior strategy thinking had

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twenty sixteen ... support age friendly and complete communities for

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older adults can land in the home or community of

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their choice for as long as they're available advocating to

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support the need for more long term care beds across

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the region as well working with local municipalities a few

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organizations to create access accessible spaces innovative and affordable housing

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options convenient transportation programs that supports use independence inclusion

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I'm just looking at the city of Markham itself of

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the official plan seeks to work in partnership with the

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region many organizations development industry to develop a strategy for

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portable and shared housing to coordinate efforts to ensure a

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diverse range of housing options increasing affordability options of as

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well as for seniors use whenever and Spencer will person

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household entering Krista supply and shared housing including housing for

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persons with special needs I particularly ... figure Markham's older

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adults strategy which Stephen had mentioned earlier chemist to ensuring

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that the city's decision making process always considers the components

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of age friendly cities and recognizes the diverse needs of

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older adults in Markham and then important point that was

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noted out of that ... with which even had also

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mentioned was that between twenty eleven to twenty twenty six

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older adults are next are expected to grow by hundred

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twenty three percent in Markham so that's a staggering number

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and it's a it's a recognition of the importance of

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being able to find ... housing options for seniors within

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the city

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and lastly city marking diversity action plan seeks to leverage

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the multi cultural and multi lingual character of Markham population

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to track international partners and new opportunities for economic development

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so Marchand has found the ideal site um thirty six

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battle creek Boulevard which is currently occupied by a two

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story brick building and warehouse tent at the rear

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the surrounding land uses are for the most part to

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the west small format commercial retail style uses and to

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the south ... business employment type uses but the balance

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predominately to the east and to the north ... is

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the existing routes river system the existing valley corridor and

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beyond that ... the existing residential community so it's it's

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on the edge of employment area it's well served by

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transit ... that's locally available in the area it's walkable

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to amenities ... of that many who ... who would

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be ... could be operating on the site would have

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access to on a daily basis so we see this

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location as an ideal set ... to provide for this

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unique opportunity I'm gonna turn it over to our architect

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who's going to speak to ... the vision for the

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state

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thank you this is Michael Douglas spent sneaky speaking

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the overall high level concept is to create two buildings

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two separate buildings with that continue our cares of the

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sidewalk building and it's ... would contain multi use programming

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with primarily the life leads units

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looting the vocational training education facility concise in Chinese language

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... to the sound would be be the long term

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care facility in oxalate one hundred sixty hundred ninety long

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term care beds thank the corporate in single rooms with

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private washrooms so there is the site that around includes

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about a hundred twelve parking spots and one level of

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underground parking hello this so building primarily due to a

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common and rest of the needs and these two buildings

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are really understood

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to be constructed together read that continuum of care and

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use that site the variety since that artist and

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so there it is but instruct to gather as a

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single ... facility

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not the drawing at the bottom of the page it

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is a diagrammatic cat site section showing you the seven

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story building along up a creek Boulevard to the west

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the Rouge river ravine system next to it and in

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the residential development so you can see the building is

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all the way from that region system and well distance

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hello the yeah and replying to the residential development so

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it yeah hi has little to no impact on the

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surrounding areas and and sent back not residential area

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so thanks a lot Michael out ... I'm just going

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to wrap up the presentation so ... as

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part of the Ms auto that that stuff is included

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in the package ... the request is not seeking to

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change the designation is not seeking to actually change the

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zoning in itself it simply seeking to add institutional uses

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as additional permitted uses within the systems on today ...

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it's amending the lot coverage to provide for the increased

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density as shown in the proposed will support area ...

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and it's technically not adding any residential units at that

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it's actually adding institutional units in the form of long

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term care and retirement or assisted living units ... as

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Michael mentioned hundreds all service parking spaces and and the

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one level underground parking which we see across one hundred

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spaces fitting within

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... all of that we believe this is the zoning

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will put in place the necessary framework that allow for

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the future site plan application to help us implement this

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vision as we work with staff in that process

526
00:50:02,116 --> 00:50:05,616
overall the request is to permit for the introduction of

527
00:50:05,616 --> 00:50:09,656
the institutional uses and the request is necessary to assist

528
00:50:09,656 --> 00:50:13,726
Maanshan with the LTC license application which does require the

529
00:50:13,726 --> 00:50:17,466
site to have the right zoning and it's also necessary

530
00:50:17,466 --> 00:50:23,226
given as mentioned earlier ... but regions and Ms Addo

531
00:50:23,256 --> 00:50:28,406
... excuse me the region's MCR process ... has come

532
00:50:28,406 --> 00:50:32,216
and gone with respect for options for consideration ... so

533
00:50:32,216 --> 00:50:34,906
the necessity to be able to consider through and I'm

534
00:50:34,906 --> 00:50:39,076
sort of process ... will assist ... to advance this

535
00:50:39,076 --> 00:50:42,706
opportunity on this property within the city

536
00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:46,086
so last week with council support ... the ends in

537
00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:48,776
a will provide an opportunity for Markham seniors to age

538
00:50:48,776 --> 00:50:53,046
in place along proved seniors care support ... my high

539
00:50:53,046 --> 00:50:58,776
quality PSW training provided options for multi generational interaction increase

540
00:50:58,776 --> 00:51:02,426
support for high demand ethno specific seniors living in long

541
00:51:02,426 --> 00:51:06,036
term care offering the full spectrum of care for seniors

542
00:51:06,036 --> 00:51:10,306
with the diversity of unit types and tenures having flexible

543
00:51:10,306 --> 00:51:13,516
program space that can adapt based on the needs and

544
00:51:13,576 --> 00:51:18,666
opportunities for youth education services with emphasis on Chinese heritage

545
00:51:18,696 --> 00:51:20,636
language

546
00:51:20,636 --> 00:51:22,446
and

547
00:51:22,446 --> 00:51:23,946
want to thank you for being able to make this

548
00:51:23,946 --> 00:51:30,026
presentation ... we reviewed ... staffs so our report and

549
00:51:30,026 --> 00:51:34,196
staff recommendation a were supportive of that recommendation I would

550
00:51:34,196 --> 00:51:37,266
like to thank staff for their guidance in our request

551
00:51:37,266 --> 00:51:40,566
that we've made today and ... we are happy to

552
00:51:40,566 --> 00:51:45,926
answer our teams happy I'm sure when questions councillor

553
00:51:45,926 --> 00:51:49,356
thank you I do have a list of speakers Deputy

554
00:51:50,066 --> 00:51:54,436
Mayor Hamilton then regional cancer a cancer of all their

555
00:51:54,436 --> 00:51:59,946
stupidity councillor keys in constantly I have one question is

556
00:52:00,086 --> 00:52:03,276
is there any need to enter connect the two buildings

557
00:52:03,276 --> 00:52:09,546
either underground or on a second level

558
00:52:09,546 --> 00:52:12,806
... thank you for the question ... I may turn

559
00:52:12,806 --> 00:52:17,266
it over to ... architect Michael who may be able

560
00:52:17,266 --> 00:52:19,306
to kind of speak to that particular as it relates

561
00:52:19,306 --> 00:52:22,376
to underground parking

562
00:52:22,376 --> 00:52:25,636
I was sick I was thinking moral as you know

563
00:52:25,636 --> 00:52:28,956
like one area has more programming than the other area

564
00:52:29,296 --> 00:52:36,876
what's more interconnecting the buildings from our activity standpoint

565
00:52:36,876 --> 00:52:40,026
we don't currently anticipate interconnecting them up or the need

566
00:52:40,026 --> 00:52:43,906
because they sort of operate as independent facilities what related

567
00:52:43,906 --> 00:52:47,656
in terms of that continued continuity of care so currently

568
00:52:47,656 --> 00:52:52,156
we're not anticipating connection okay thank you Deputy Mayor Hamilton

569
00:52:52,876 --> 00:52:55,436
yes thank you Mr chairman so it good morning to

570
00:52:55,436 --> 00:52:56,586
a

571
00:52:56,586 --> 00:53:00,646
Sam and Frank and Stephanie and formerly Doris who I've

572
00:53:00,646 --> 00:53:02,566
worked with before

573
00:53:02,566 --> 00:53:05,456
I'm glad to see you here this morning ... I

574
00:53:05,456 --> 00:53:09,746
want to speak in in support of this application ...

575
00:53:09,746 --> 00:53:12,346
this Ms that'll but I do have a couple of

576
00:53:12,346 --> 00:53:15,136
questions up first of all maybe for Tim if I

577
00:53:15,136 --> 00:53:19,486
could ... Mr chairman through you ... I noticed the

578
00:53:19,486 --> 00:53:23,816
word ethno specific was mentioned by your your planner there

579
00:53:24,236 --> 00:53:29,536
I would just mean that that ... anybody can join

580
00:53:29,616 --> 00:53:33,776
in the the building like could I command good my

581
00:53:33,776 --> 00:53:36,866
mom come in you know is it open to anybody

582
00:53:36,866 --> 00:53:42,546
in in the area or is it specific for a

583
00:53:42,546 --> 00:53:46,056
certain group

584
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:51,126
through you Mr chair let me double check if I'm

585
00:53:51,126 --> 00:53:55,596
I was on mute he Keren yes I think okay

586
00:53:55,976 --> 00:53:58,746
thank you Mr chairman ...

587
00:53:58,746 --> 00:54:03,566
Mr Deputy Mayor and they said seeing your game online

588
00:54:04,236 --> 00:54:06,596
we have been

589
00:54:06,596 --> 00:54:12,836
... started to serve more more mainstream now particularly in

590
00:54:12,866 --> 00:54:15,586
the store real long term care

591
00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:18,936
as you may or may not know ... Maanshan two

592
00:54:18,936 --> 00:54:23,506
years ago has started a big long term care three

593
00:54:23,506 --> 00:54:26,816
hundred twenty basis he stole real

594
00:54:26,816 --> 00:54:30,946
that building is almost finish we are

595
00:54:30,946 --> 00:54:33,986
less than 6 months from this grand opening

596
00:54:33,986 --> 00:54:37,386
it will be the first all this size under the

597
00:54:37,386 --> 00:54:42,736
new build in the entire province ... we were lucky

598
00:54:42,736 --> 00:54:46,546
because we just plan ahead of time and so it

599
00:54:46,546 --> 00:54:48,566
was all this way so that we're able to do

600
00:54:49,066 --> 00:54:53,676
not install video is ... that because of the demographics

601
00:54:54,066 --> 00:54:58,536
it is clear that last number all mainstream clients will

602
00:54:58,536 --> 00:54:59,966
coming

603
00:54:59,966 --> 00:55:03,456
and you most of us also role if we got

604
00:55:03,456 --> 00:55:08,236
family even look at chair we know that it is

605
00:55:08,236 --> 00:55:10,746
key ministries

606
00:55:10,746 --> 00:55:13,666
and send us

607
00:55:13,666 --> 00:55:18,376
the residents we really do not have control would be

608
00:55:18,376 --> 00:55:19,866
sent

609
00:55:19,866 --> 00:55:24,226
and she remained of that might come with the diversity

610
00:55:24,226 --> 00:55:27,516
of residents I am quite sure that we will be

611
00:55:27,516 --> 00:55:32,956
serving more and more mainstream clients

612
00:55:32,956 --> 00:55:37,036
Mr chips which

613
00:55:37,036 --> 00:55:40,826
thank you very much Tim I appreciate that answer ...

614
00:55:41,146 --> 00:55:43,146
I'd like to go over to Stephen low if I

615
00:55:43,146 --> 00:55:49,936
could Mr chairman and ask him a few questions

616
00:55:49,936 --> 00:55:54,416
Steven are you there your email yeah good morning good

617
00:55:54,416 --> 00:55:57,876
morning so last week I I had a number of

618
00:55:57,876 --> 00:56:03,186
calls from people that wanted to brand all Ms Santos

619
00:56:03,216 --> 00:56:05,406
as bad

620
00:56:05,406 --> 00:56:08,266
all Ms adults are bad they told me we should

621
00:56:08,266 --> 00:56:10,186
get rid of them

622
00:56:10,186 --> 00:56:13,026
and I said no all not all and zeros are

623
00:56:13,026 --> 00:56:14,796
back

624
00:56:14,796 --> 00:56:16,786
we have to look at them on a case by

625
00:56:16,786 --> 00:56:21,696
case basis they have a useful purpose sometimes

626
00:56:21,696 --> 00:56:25,206
so this one that we're looking at right now

627
00:56:25,206 --> 00:56:30,556
... there's not gonna be any consultation with neighbors whether

628
00:56:30,556 --> 00:56:35,026
those neighbors being the residential neighbors in the area or

629
00:56:35,026 --> 00:56:39,466
the business neighbours or the commercial neighbors in the area

630
00:56:39,896 --> 00:56:42,396
am I correct on that

631
00:56:42,396 --> 00:56:45,606
through you Mr chair to the Deputy Mayor ... the

632
00:56:45,746 --> 00:56:50,646
planning process at this point ... should council our supporters

633
00:56:50,646 --> 00:56:54,406
Ms that ... and should the minister ... grant bands

634
00:56:54,406 --> 00:56:57,966
at all ... we're not warranted a public consultation in

635
00:56:57,966 --> 00:57:00,596
that respect ... it will be referred to a site

636
00:57:00,596 --> 00:57:07,006
plan approval application ... however ... ... nothing is precluding

637
00:57:07,126 --> 00:57:11,596
community information meetings to occur ... where ... the long

638
00:57:11,746 --> 00:57:14,696
where Maanshan can engage with the surrounding office surrounding land

639
00:57:14,696 --> 00:57:18,646
uses and and owners ... at that point but that

640
00:57:18,646 --> 00:57:20,776
would have to be a call from from committee and

641
00:57:20,776 --> 00:57:22,966
and members of council and that would have to be

642
00:57:22,966 --> 00:57:25,236
done before

643
00:57:25,236 --> 00:57:29,026
we as a council approved

644
00:57:29,026 --> 00:57:32,626
the Ms at all going forward

645
00:57:32,626 --> 00:57:35,126
do you to Mr Jerry to deafening they're not necessarily

646
00:57:35,126 --> 00:57:39,016
at this point ... as always you're worth mentioning at

647
00:57:39,016 --> 00:57:42,256
this point it's a it's a request for comments from

648
00:57:42,256 --> 00:57:45,076
the minister on the and settle on to stab wish

649
00:57:45,076 --> 00:57:48,526
to development standards ... at that point but the site

650
00:57:48,526 --> 00:57:52,516
plan approval process we can fine tune ... ... the

651
00:57:52,516 --> 00:57:56,436
the developments in accordance with those development standards

652
00:57:56,436 --> 00:58:00,256
but realistically speaking Steven isn't it true that if the

653
00:58:00,586 --> 00:58:03,956
local council approves that that it's pretty much a done

654
00:58:03,956 --> 00:58:05,806
deal

655
00:58:05,806 --> 00:58:08,846
he is Mr Jerry yes it is yes so would

656
00:58:08,846 --> 00:58:11,956
be kind of pointless the whole the community information meeting

657
00:58:12,526 --> 00:58:17,956
after we approved it as a local council

658
00:58:17,956 --> 00:58:20,876
for you to Mr chair

659
00:58:20,876 --> 00:58:25,126
technically yes it would be but ... with community engagements

660
00:58:25,686 --> 00:58:28,396
and with the introduction of this use and fine tuning

661
00:58:28,396 --> 00:58:31,746
the that the concept itself ... I think it could

662
00:58:31,746 --> 00:58:34,986
be beneficial to engage with the local with local community

663
00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:37,646
so you're talking more about sort of when you get

664
00:58:37,646 --> 00:58:41,516
a site plan that's correct okay

665
00:58:41,516 --> 00:58:43,426
the

666
00:58:43,426 --> 00:58:46,256
just so we have a comparison

667
00:58:46,256 --> 00:58:49,756
I mean and again I repeat I'm supporting this application

668
00:58:49,886 --> 00:58:52,916
no question in my mind there was never a question

669
00:58:52,916 --> 00:58:54,446
in my mind

670
00:58:54,446 --> 00:58:59,926
about that but I'd like to know why

671
00:58:59,926 --> 00:59:02,036
11 shown

672
00:59:02,036 --> 00:59:05,206
hasn't gone through the formal process is there any other

673
00:59:05,206 --> 00:59:09,576
reason besides what was illustrated today by the planner and

674
00:59:09,576 --> 00:59:14,536
by yourself that the opportunity for for doing this as

675
00:59:14,536 --> 00:59:16,636
passed us by

676
00:59:16,636 --> 00:59:20,226
from a regional standpoint

677
00:59:20,226 --> 00:59:23,176
through you Mr chair can I get some a representative

678
00:59:23,176 --> 00:59:26,446
from Maanshan to respond to that one

679
00:59:26,446 --> 00:59:28,666
Mr chairman before that happened maybe I can take a

680
00:59:28,666 --> 00:59:31,746
bit of a stab at it it's Arvin Prasad commissioner

681
00:59:31,746 --> 00:59:35,046
Drummond services one of the issues here with among Sharman

682
00:59:35,046 --> 00:59:39,026
application Mr chairman is that it is located within employment

683
00:59:39,026 --> 00:59:40,516
area

684
00:59:40,516 --> 00:59:45,296
the planning act growth plan requires that an employment area

685
00:59:45,326 --> 00:59:50,936
stays employment unless it's converted through ... do I reached

686
00:59:50,936 --> 00:59:54,736
all municipal comprehensive review

687
00:59:54,736 --> 00:59:57,936
municipal comprehensive reviews are done every five to ten years

688
00:59:58,656 --> 01:00:03,266
so don't they're currently doing MCR right now dad the

689
01:00:03,266 --> 01:00:06,056
ship has sailed on that one so it's a long

690
01:00:06,056 --> 01:00:07,546
delay

691
01:00:07,546 --> 01:00:10,776
so that's one of the regional perspectives we need to

692
01:00:10,776 --> 01:00:16,036
think about in terms of the planning controls that might

693
01:00:16,036 --> 01:00:20,236
impact solid long chunk could come in tomorrow and apply

694
01:00:20,236 --> 01:00:23,886
for employment conversion here is a regional just say to

695
01:00:23,886 --> 01:00:28,506
them will consider it to our next MCR process

696
01:00:28,506 --> 01:00:31,436
and that next steps are process may be a very

697
01:00:31,436 --> 01:00:33,256
long time away

698
01:00:33,256 --> 01:00:37,026
thank you Mr chair thank you very much commissioner for

699
01:00:37,026 --> 01:00:40,056
that explanation I'm just trying to set up for for

700
01:00:40,056 --> 01:00:43,156
the people who who said to me that all and

701
01:00:43,156 --> 01:00:46,896
settles are back just trying to illustrate for them Y.

702
01:00:46,896 --> 01:00:51,676
Maanshan has done what it's done and while I'm supporting

703
01:00:51,856 --> 01:00:57,596
that process ...

704
01:00:57,596 --> 01:01:00,916
so I think all believe it at that the only

705
01:01:00,916 --> 01:01:04,356
other concern I have Mister chairman yeah M. and I

706
01:01:04,356 --> 01:01:07,276
hope we can address it and it came up a

707
01:01:07,276 --> 01:01:10,046
while ago and it wasn't through them said all but

708
01:01:10,046 --> 01:01:13,036
it was through an application by a church and I'm

709
01:01:13,036 --> 01:01:15,406
sure members of

710
01:01:15,406 --> 01:01:17,486
any that have been around for awhile will remember it

711
01:01:17,936 --> 01:01:20,696
it was close to a cement plants

712
01:01:20,696 --> 01:01:26,316
and the church was obligated to put in extra so

713
01:01:26,376 --> 01:01:29,386
roofing in the in their unit that they were in

714
01:01:29,876 --> 01:01:33,196
the church or wanted to use as a church and

715
01:01:33,336 --> 01:01:37,766
also for other noise abatement they had to to put

716
01:01:37,766 --> 01:01:39,946
in place ...

717
01:01:39,946 --> 01:01:43,856
actual windows that type of thing so I'm just I'm

718
01:01:43,856 --> 01:01:47,876
just throwing caution to the wind that ... we want

719
01:01:47,876 --> 01:01:49,306
strong

720
01:01:49,306 --> 01:01:52,576
should probably do the same thing

721
01:01:52,576 --> 01:01:57,196
to protect our peace and tranquility on this site

722
01:01:57,196 --> 01:02:01,806
so that if any of the other surrounding neighbors decided

723
01:02:01,806 --> 01:02:05,476
to do at some other kind of use change the

724
01:02:05,476 --> 01:02:09,946
current use so it was noise here that it would

725
01:02:09,946 --> 01:02:13,436
not disrupt one shell in the long term and that's

726
01:02:13,436 --> 01:02:16,346
where I'm thinking long term because this is a of

727
01:02:16,466 --> 01:02:19,666
a longer term ... enterprise

728
01:02:19,666 --> 01:02:23,616
so again I am saying thank you Tim ... thank

729
01:02:23,616 --> 01:02:27,516
you Frank thank you Stephanie for bringing this forward and

730
01:02:27,516 --> 01:02:32,086
also for Doris ... I recall remember very fondly I

731
01:02:32,086 --> 01:02:34,506
think it's a great use I think it's in the

732
01:02:34,506 --> 01:02:38,326
in a good place and I'm going to support a

733
01:02:38,326 --> 01:02:42,276
hundred percent thank you very much Mr chairman

734
01:02:42,276 --> 01:02:45,596
the recommendations are going to be moved by their stability

735
01:02:45,626 --> 01:02:50,006
and seconded by councillor bowl next is regional

736
01:02:50,006 --> 01:02:53,076
councillor Keith

737
01:02:53,076 --> 01:02:56,646
thank you Mr chair and ... ... this is a

738
01:02:56,956 --> 01:03:01,686
quite a an interesting and good application ... and ...

739
01:03:01,686 --> 01:03:05,126
I'm glad there was a slide there or true presented

740
01:03:05,126 --> 01:03:08,816
Mister chair about the need for more long term care

741
01:03:08,996 --> 01:03:11,816
and the pressing need in the future ... as the

742
01:03:11,816 --> 01:03:15,646
numbers grow ... ... in York region and across of

743
01:03:16,156 --> 01:03:19,326
course and I I see the government has laid aside

744
01:03:19,326 --> 01:03:23,156
or set aside um closing in on two billion dollars

745
01:03:23,416 --> 01:03:28,076
... if I read it correctly thirty thousand ... ...

746
01:03:28,076 --> 01:03:32,586
have been injured chatter ... extra beds and trying to

747
01:03:32,586 --> 01:03:35,746
get away I can see weasel are ... words trying

748
01:03:35,746 --> 01:03:39,046
to get away from ... from the four beds per

749
01:03:39,076 --> 01:03:41,886
room ... and they didn't say trying to get away

750
01:03:41,886 --> 01:03:45,626
from any more than one bed room which means a

751
01:03:45,626 --> 01:03:49,276
... it's still too bad future might be tolerated I'm

752
01:03:49,276 --> 01:03:52,996
sure that we get to that later I am ...

753
01:03:52,996 --> 01:03:55,686
wanted to ask a few questions ... because ... and

754
01:03:55,686 --> 01:03:57,926
I'll get to which how long do we have to

755
01:03:57,926 --> 01:04:04,166
respond to the ministry's letter ... Stephen

756
01:04:04,166 --> 01:04:06,746
it's attached to it and ... that there's so much

757
01:04:06,966 --> 01:04:09,786
paper here I can quickly get to it but it's

758
01:04:09,786 --> 01:04:11,486
there somewhere

759
01:04:11,486 --> 01:04:13,746
I think you to Mr Mr to regional council he

760
01:04:14,176 --> 01:04:16,986
... my understanding is it's it's it's a bit time

761
01:04:16,986 --> 01:04:20,816
sensitive here ... from from what was explained to staff

762
01:04:21,276 --> 01:04:23,966
is that there's been a purchase to the to a

763
01:04:23,966 --> 01:04:27,396
purchase not to put there's an offer to purchase the

764
01:04:27,396 --> 01:04:31,776
property at thirty six ... apple creek ... and that

765
01:04:31,806 --> 01:04:35,646
due diligence is is ending end of the month in

766
01:04:35,646 --> 01:04:38,236
order for Maanshan to make and to render a decision

767
01:04:38,626 --> 01:04:41,286
... so so the minister would have to render decisions

768
01:04:41,286 --> 01:04:44,066
around that time so it is a bit time sensitive

769
01:04:44,146 --> 01:04:45,376
yes

770
01:04:45,376 --> 01:04:49,796
... is this a because I believe very strongly that

771
01:04:49,796 --> 01:04:53,636
to that too no Ms at all whether it's one

772
01:04:53,636 --> 01:04:56,976
is favorable of what Tim is making this morning and

773
01:04:56,976 --> 01:05:00,396
I've known him for quite awhile and the anti Maanshan

774
01:05:00,396 --> 01:05:02,196
I guess I've known

775
01:05:02,196 --> 01:05:05,436
for thirty or forty years ... I hate to say

776
01:05:05,436 --> 01:05:06,666
it

777
01:05:06,666 --> 01:05:10,126
is that long ... and ... they have done good

778
01:05:10,126 --> 01:05:14,136
work over that those many years ... ... but I

779
01:05:14,136 --> 01:05:17,306
found out about this last night are you yesterday afternoon

780
01:05:17,306 --> 01:05:21,226
I guess ... we have letters from ... seventy five

781
01:05:21,226 --> 01:05:24,236
people I'd be willing to bet the dates ... ...

782
01:05:24,236 --> 01:05:29,616
creek ... are in advance of the revised agenda which

783
01:05:29,616 --> 01:05:32,486
this is wrong so where do we have to follow

784
01:05:32,486 --> 01:05:35,826
the question is and I will present a motion that

785
01:05:35,826 --> 01:05:38,926
we have before we ... we answer this question that

786
01:05:38,926 --> 01:05:43,106
we have a community information meeting ... ... do we

787
01:05:43,136 --> 01:05:46,016
is there any time frame ... that ... ... we

788
01:05:46,016 --> 01:05:50,086
need to follow in this instance or community information meeting

789
01:05:50,136 --> 01:05:57,166
so we can hear from the public

790
01:05:57,166 --> 01:06:00,616
through you Mr chair ... sorry the condo ... it

791
01:06:00,616 --> 01:06:03,356
was a question about our community permission meeting and and

792
01:06:03,356 --> 01:06:07,006
holding it now yes it is there any time frame

793
01:06:07,006 --> 01:06:10,476
required under the planning act ... for us to to

794
01:06:10,476 --> 01:06:12,986
hold one know that we have to give notice ...

795
01:06:13,456 --> 01:06:16,066
three weeks in advance or something like that or can

796
01:06:16,066 --> 01:06:19,456
we hold a ... a a public information meeting next

797
01:06:19,456 --> 01:06:22,036
... Tuesday a week from tomorrow

798
01:06:22,036 --> 01:06:24,526
okay through you Mr shared out to council region concert

799
01:06:24,526 --> 01:06:28,646
he no there is no ... planning regulations without woods

800
01:06:28,696 --> 01:06:33,876
... are still doing that ... how it next question

801
01:06:33,876 --> 01:06:36,016
is to the people who live on the east of

802
01:06:36,016 --> 01:06:40,156
this proposal in the residential community ... have they been

803
01:06:40,156 --> 01:06:45,786
notified that this proposals coming through

804
01:06:45,786 --> 01:06:47,706
through you to me ... Mister chair to regional council

805
01:06:47,706 --> 01:06:51,936
he's now is my understanding do the of businesses in

806
01:06:51,936 --> 01:06:55,316
the ... ... the plaza to the west and the

807
01:06:55,316 --> 01:07:00,306
businesses in the are to the south ... have they've

808
01:07:00,306 --> 01:07:05,056
been notified of this proposal

809
01:07:05,056 --> 01:07:06,556
no

810
01:07:06,556 --> 01:07:09,846
... ... is there now I've got a few other

811
01:07:09,846 --> 01:07:18,046
questions when did staff find out about this

812
01:07:18,046 --> 01:07:21,876
when when when was staff notified that there's something coming

813
01:07:21,876 --> 01:07:24,596
okay thank god

814
01:07:24,596 --> 01:07:26,126
what

815
01:07:26,126 --> 01:07:29,556
my internet unstable I apologize

816
01:07:29,556 --> 01:07:31,966
question when did stuff

817
01:07:31,966 --> 01:07:35,526
our were where this yes okay through you Mr church

818
01:07:35,526 --> 01:07:40,646
to reserve house or he ... Maanshan approached staff end

819
01:07:40,646 --> 01:07:45,296
of October of last year identify their interest in this

820
01:07:45,296 --> 01:07:49,756
parcel of land ... after consultation with staff staff or

821
01:07:49,756 --> 01:07:54,296
by that's what was reported in the report staff advised

822
01:07:54,296 --> 01:07:56,706
that if they deem the employment land conversion and that

823
01:07:56,706 --> 01:08:00,126
the deadline for the regional MCR

824
01:08:00,126 --> 01:08:04,906
past ... it wasn't until I would say mid January

825
01:08:04,936 --> 01:08:08,146
that word got around that much John was um a

826
01:08:08,146 --> 01:08:11,676
plan for an exam and general and it wasn't until

827
01:08:11,676 --> 01:08:14,486
last she was the that received a formal communication from

828
01:08:14,486 --> 01:08:17,616
the minister of their request on this and that a

829
01:08:17,616 --> 01:08:22,186
request for comments

830
01:08:22,186 --> 01:08:23,906
this is

831
01:08:23,906 --> 01:08:25,706
are there others

832
01:08:25,706 --> 01:08:28,266
are there others to staff know of other in general

833
01:08:28,266 --> 01:08:31,996
statement of that are that are coming for we up

834
01:08:31,996 --> 01:08:35,406
to today other others coming to my knowledge with the

835
01:08:35,406 --> 01:08:39,646
Social Planning districts I don't have anything else central planning

836
01:08:39,646 --> 01:08:44,736
district there are four planning districts are not yet

837
01:08:44,736 --> 01:08:46,326
my knowledge

838
01:08:46,326 --> 01:08:48,536
what

839
01:08:48,536 --> 01:08:50,506
I understand I don't know I don't built as a

840
01:08:50,506 --> 01:08:54,856
great ... and so ... one trong does not have

841
01:08:54,856 --> 01:08:58,436
the land does not own the land present so our

842
01:08:58,616 --> 01:09:03,836
our quick action ... ... ... somehow by before the

843
01:09:03,836 --> 01:09:06,606
end of the month is required from on strong ...

844
01:09:06,606 --> 01:09:09,616
... ... ... say yes or no war on the

845
01:09:09,616 --> 01:09:12,296
purchase of the land if they can't get the image

846
01:09:12,296 --> 01:09:15,706
that all from approval by Markham and then approval by

847
01:09:15,706 --> 01:09:19,246
the Ministry before let us say what is this and

848
01:09:19,506 --> 01:09:21,916
I'm looking at the calendar coverage twenty eight I'm trying

849
01:09:21,916 --> 01:09:25,146
to members leave here ... February twenty eighth well then

850
01:09:25,146 --> 01:09:29,006
... ... they will not they won't purchase the land

851
01:09:29,146 --> 01:09:31,736
that's the situation we're in

852
01:09:31,736 --> 01:09:34,886
correct that is my understanding and ... should I ask

853
01:09:34,886 --> 01:09:39,096
your ... ... Tim ... is their inability to extend

854
01:09:39,096 --> 01:09:41,156
that

855
01:09:41,156 --> 01:09:44,366
I don't I'll tell you I'm a huge fan of

856
01:09:44,366 --> 01:09:47,026
the Maanshan but I do not like the feeling of

857
01:09:47,026 --> 01:09:49,976
being rush I do not like the feeling of non

858
01:09:49,976 --> 01:09:53,876
consulting with the the bit a community around the residential

859
01:09:53,876 --> 01:09:57,656
and the employment community that is so anti what we

860
01:09:57,656 --> 01:10:00,496
do in Markham so I'm wondering whether or not there's

861
01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:04,656
an opportunity and worst him my he's there somewhere ...

862
01:10:04,686 --> 01:10:06,746
... whether or not we can get another month in

863
01:10:06,746 --> 01:10:11,696
this process

864
01:10:11,696 --> 01:10:13,196


865
01:10:13,196 --> 01:10:16,036
Mr regional councillor through

866
01:10:16,036 --> 01:10:17,796
as the chair

867
01:10:17,796 --> 01:10:22,136
we actually had enter into agreement to purchase a slam

868
01:10:22,606 --> 01:10:25,296
approximately six months ago

869
01:10:25,296 --> 01:10:28,846
and there was a time that we discussed what might

870
01:10:28,846 --> 01:10:35,376
come about the process of making the application

871
01:10:35,376 --> 01:10:39,636
they were advised that we will not be able to

872
01:10:39,686 --> 01:10:43,226
do the first step through the region because the timing

873
01:10:43,226 --> 01:10:46,976
is not right it would takes quite some time years

874
01:10:47,296 --> 01:10:51,146
before the review ... the change of use

875
01:10:51,146 --> 01:10:56,456
... so that we had to ... look at any

876
01:10:56,456 --> 01:11:00,676
and all options and the only option wasn't available to

877
01:11:00,676 --> 01:11:04,486
us was and said ...

878
01:11:04,486 --> 01:11:07,496
in order to do that we actually went back to

879
01:11:07,496 --> 01:11:13,416
the owner and ask for an extension we wanted a

880
01:11:13,416 --> 01:11:17,596
little bit more time but the owner was quite clear

881
01:11:17,596 --> 01:11:20,136
that they do not want to give us more time

882
01:11:20,826 --> 01:11:25,766
and D. rage when right now with the extension it

883
01:11:25,766 --> 01:11:31,186
would have expired in December thirty first twenty twenty now

884
01:11:31,186 --> 01:11:35,136
we have to do an extension until the end of

885
01:11:35,236 --> 01:11:36,876
separate

886
01:11:36,876 --> 01:11:39,866
I do not know what the date will be amenable

887
01:11:39,866 --> 01:11:42,976
to give us a little bit more time ... I

888
01:11:43,006 --> 01:11:46,316
don't get because last time it took us quite a

889
01:11:46,316 --> 01:11:49,506
bit of a happen so the law is to to

890
01:11:49,536 --> 01:11:51,586
get that option

891
01:11:51,586 --> 01:11:56,456
... however if ... we must go back and add

892
01:11:56,456 --> 01:12:00,506
because we're running out of time because the ministry will

893
01:12:00,506 --> 01:12:04,386
take longer all it might come want to do ...

894
01:12:04,646 --> 01:12:08,676
mall consultation then we just have to

895
01:12:08,676 --> 01:12:10,676
see if we can find a way to to make

896
01:12:10,676 --> 01:12:12,346
that happen

897
01:12:12,346 --> 01:12:16,476
... of addition is also because we're not land developers

898
01:12:16,936 --> 01:12:21,366
we only look at land as ... will only be

899
01:12:21,396 --> 01:12:23,716
more of a leading to a lot of proofs for

900
01:12:23,716 --> 01:12:28,066
all uses ... we've never purchased a piece of land

901
01:12:28,326 --> 01:12:33,506
that may get a certain zoning arose will be end

902
01:12:33,506 --> 01:12:38,026
up with land banking which is not the objective all

903
01:12:38,056 --> 01:12:39,766
the vocation

904
01:12:39,766 --> 01:12:42,706
so ... we're working as hard as we can we

905
01:12:42,706 --> 01:12:46,846
hope this will go through ... and ... I just

906
01:12:46,846 --> 01:12:50,696
leave it that I've been just stating our situation as

907
01:12:50,696 --> 01:12:54,776
clearly as I can I hope

908
01:12:54,776 --> 01:12:57,986
and that's one good thing that I've always appreciated but

909
01:12:57,986 --> 01:13:00,736
... Jim Kwan who I've dealt with as I said

910
01:13:00,736 --> 01:13:03,536
many times it's he makes it clear he makes honest

911
01:13:03,776 --> 01:13:07,146
is quite forthright and ... and that does such a

912
01:13:07,146 --> 01:13:09,986
good job representing on strong and select thank you for

913
01:13:09,986 --> 01:13:14,946
that ... ... D. what is done unfortunately ... I'll

914
01:13:14,946 --> 01:13:18,796
go back to Steven is that ... the deadline ...

915
01:13:18,796 --> 01:13:25,116
is three weeks from ... ... yesterday ... maybe staff

916
01:13:25,116 --> 01:13:29,256
knew about this ... and who knows whether or not

917
01:13:29,296 --> 01:13:32,416
the local councillor knew about this but I found out

918
01:13:32,416 --> 01:13:34,746
about it three weeks from the deadline to do it

919
01:13:35,296 --> 01:13:40,296
now and ... ... I have never ... we thought

920
01:13:40,296 --> 01:13:43,636
that we should proceed without public consultation we are not

921
01:13:43,636 --> 01:13:47,866
the owners of the ... of the planning opportunities to

922
01:13:47,866 --> 01:13:51,506
the planning system in in ... Markham the residents are

923
01:13:51,626 --> 01:13:55,106
and the businesses that the work here so I mean

924
01:13:55,106 --> 01:13:58,316
that's my problem ... and that's why I think that

925
01:13:58,316 --> 01:14:01,856
we should be and I certainly will move ... ...

926
01:14:01,886 --> 01:14:04,786
that we have a community information meeting in one week

927
01:14:05,116 --> 01:14:09,066
... maybe potentially one week tomorrow ... and that we

928
01:14:09,066 --> 01:14:12,276
have a council meeting immediately afterwards to decide whether we

929
01:14:12,276 --> 01:14:15,806
want to do it ... but ... and that maybe

930
01:14:15,806 --> 01:14:18,776
that we deferred this or send this to were and

931
01:14:18,776 --> 01:14:22,316
the next council meeting up tomorrow ... and ... in

932
01:14:22,316 --> 01:14:26,276
the meantime request staff to have the ... a community

933
01:14:26,276 --> 01:14:30,196
information meetings ... idea and weight at some point in

934
01:14:30,196 --> 01:14:33,206
time we'll talk about the site plan ... because there

935
01:14:33,206 --> 01:14:35,856
are some issues that relate to the environment the Roach

936
01:14:35,916 --> 01:14:39,626
Rusia valley there ... and I noticed that the ...

937
01:14:39,996 --> 01:14:44,706
the land has some very small amounts that are beyond

938
01:14:44,706 --> 01:14:48,456
the top of bank and that potentially may be dedicated

939
01:14:48,456 --> 01:14:51,476
or should be dedicated maybe Steven can tell me who

940
01:14:51,476 --> 01:14:53,856
is the landowner of the valley

941
01:14:53,856 --> 01:14:57,276
the land right to the west right to the story

942
01:14:57,276 --> 01:14:59,906
through you Mr direct regional council he's that steer try

943
01:14:59,906 --> 01:15:04,816
to region conservation authority ... are you sure it's ...

944
01:15:04,856 --> 01:15:08,306
... all all of T. R. C. A. land except

945
01:15:08,306 --> 01:15:10,716
for one small I guess they could own it but

946
01:15:10,716 --> 01:15:14,526
we manage it where one small area in the northeast

947
01:15:14,816 --> 01:15:17,136
all that land is managed by the city of Markham

948
01:15:17,516 --> 01:15:21,286
... and I was ... I thought that was city

949
01:15:21,286 --> 01:15:23,676
mark next to it

950
01:15:23,676 --> 01:15:26,676
if you look into it regional council he okay councillor

951
01:15:26,676 --> 01:15:31,246
Geetha Frank Joe and Stephanie Wong would want to speak

952
01:15:31,246 --> 01:15:34,686
I guess and I am finish that Mr Jeremy please

953
01:15:34,686 --> 01:15:36,726
that but at some point in time if you would

954
01:15:36,726 --> 01:15:38,876
come back to me I would like to the and

955
01:15:38,876 --> 01:15:42,366
a motion or a an amendment which calls for a

956
01:15:42,366 --> 01:15:45,606
public information meeting ... within a week and a council

957
01:15:45,606 --> 01:15:48,696
meeting to deal with the matter immediately afterwards thank you

958
01:15:49,146 --> 01:15:53,106
who wants to go first Frankford Stephanie

959
01:15:53,106 --> 01:15:57,186
the French are here to handle and just ... two

960
01:15:57,186 --> 01:16:01,986
teams of a comment ... the reason for this a

961
01:16:01,986 --> 01:16:04,906
bit of a Russian we apologize for not have IT

962
01:16:04,906 --> 01:16:09,656
consulting maybe body is the need to very urgent need

963
01:16:09,786 --> 01:16:15,206
all LTC bets against it but damn it ... give

964
01:16:15,206 --> 01:16:18,696
us those who H. and we are the operator off

965
01:16:19,016 --> 01:16:21,556
... the long term care beds and we feel the

966
01:16:21,556 --> 01:16:26,466
pressure and do we actually build install real into year

967
01:16:26,466 --> 01:16:29,336
two or not yet that doesn't top years of three

968
01:16:29,336 --> 01:16:32,056
hundred twenty batch and we could do that and we

969
01:16:32,056 --> 01:16:35,366
want to do it in Moscow because bottom site as

970
01:16:35,366 --> 01:16:39,326
the world's longest we do this ... in the area

971
01:16:39,326 --> 01:16:41,786
for us and do we really want to do it

972
01:16:41,906 --> 01:16:45,096
and this is a excellent site where it was right

973
01:16:45,126 --> 01:16:48,756
in the middle of the community at the it always

974
01:16:48,756 --> 01:16:51,846
suitable for everybody and certainly

975
01:16:51,846 --> 01:16:56,506
crudest program may also open up the

976
01:16:56,506 --> 01:17:02,006
you urgent request off

977
01:17:02,006 --> 01:17:03,786
mold

978
01:17:03,786 --> 01:17:09,166
PSW and we are planning a training center Ryan does

979
01:17:09,166 --> 01:17:10,996
compacts

980
01:17:10,996 --> 01:17:14,566
so that it would be like a teaching hospital it

981
01:17:14,736 --> 01:17:19,426
just just teaching ... LDCs sorry and then the practicum

982
01:17:19,456 --> 01:17:21,696
we'll be right at the back of the of the

983
01:17:21,696 --> 01:17:23,906
OCC building

984
01:17:23,906 --> 01:17:26,806
this is the ideal situation for us and this is

985
01:17:26,806 --> 01:17:30,066
why I don't put in the video that we have

986
01:17:30,066 --> 01:17:33,596
us was it all a set team saying we R.

987
01:17:33,596 --> 01:17:36,356
charity we cannot spend money I had with the ...

988
01:17:36,356 --> 01:17:39,326
doing anything so we want to be sure that we

989
01:17:39,326 --> 01:17:42,436
have all of the zoning and then at the same

990
01:17:42,436 --> 01:17:46,726
time the Ministry want us to have the right song

991
01:17:46,726 --> 01:17:50,046
and before the issue the license so this is sort

992
01:17:50,046 --> 01:17:52,526
of a but

993
01:17:52,526 --> 01:17:55,886
urgent appeal and I understand that and also ... the

994
01:17:55,886 --> 01:17:59,576
processes that that respect everything that that they would contact

995
01:17:59,756 --> 01:18:03,686
us and we actually we went to the city consultants

996
01:18:04,206 --> 01:18:06,726
... do we kneel down and that it would take

997
01:18:06,726 --> 01:18:10,626
years to that and present our opportunity we don't want

998
01:18:10,626 --> 01:18:13,976
the groups at the that's why we ask you ...

999
01:18:14,046 --> 01:18:16,936
... to support us what is the ... seals or

1000
01:18:16,936 --> 01:18:21,006
would be quickly what I can promise if you are

1001
01:18:21,296 --> 01:18:24,666
give us is only a December zero we could do

1002
01:18:24,666 --> 01:18:28,126
this very quickly yeah and build on our long term

1003
01:18:28,126 --> 01:18:31,676
care and training facility right there with you what I

1004
01:18:31,676 --> 01:18:34,506
mean so I think this would be beneficial for the

1005
01:18:34,626 --> 01:18:37,606
whole community at all where it was sent and we

1006
01:18:37,986 --> 01:18:41,896
have to track record of doing this if she is

1007
01:18:42,116 --> 01:18:45,116
not just a but just talking and we have the

1008
01:18:45,116 --> 01:18:49,846
resources we are people we have team as of

1009
01:18:49,846 --> 01:18:53,216
are we to a builder and the ... we will

1010
01:18:53,216 --> 01:18:56,326
be able to do that this is the moving on

1011
01:18:56,326 --> 01:18:59,826
things that we would like to council I guess you

1012
01:18:59,986 --> 01:19:02,616
because a lot of members have come to the Markham

1013
01:19:03,066 --> 01:19:06,376
... ... that we have and also Scotland so what

1014
01:19:06,626 --> 01:19:09,156
I need to see what we have thought this is

1015
01:19:09,156 --> 01:19:12,676
a hard cross a type of thing and then if

1016
01:19:12,676 --> 01:19:14,926
you have a chance we will bring you to do

1017
01:19:14,926 --> 01:19:18,196
so we have to look at what we have done

1018
01:19:18,196 --> 01:19:22,616
D. rules that we designed it out his used oleo

1019
01:19:22,696 --> 01:19:26,556
is single room I just saw important about it now

1020
01:19:26,556 --> 01:19:30,136
they decide in their P. C. of because the old

1021
01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:34,456
the delegations for that group well done to to better

1022
01:19:34,456 --> 01:19:38,116
route now we have single room and so this is

1023
01:19:38,116 --> 01:19:41,746
something that we want to implement the bottom for the

1024
01:19:41,746 --> 01:19:47,306
community that's what she thank you Stephanie

1025
01:19:47,306 --> 01:19:51,326
thank you Mr chair and good morning everyone ... Frank

1026
01:19:51,326 --> 01:19:55,176
has almost a talk about what kind of phone ...

1027
01:19:55,176 --> 01:19:59,036
wanna mention ends on not to repeat itself or what

1028
01:19:59,036 --> 01:20:01,936
team and offering said but I would like to echo

1029
01:20:02,426 --> 01:20:06,646
the importance for us to getting the right spelling out

1030
01:20:06,646 --> 01:20:10,406
to expedite our application of the long term care licenses

1031
01:20:10,406 --> 01:20:14,216
that behalf of fighting with the Ministry of long term

1032
01:20:14,216 --> 01:20:19,616
care and they are actually reviewing our application

1033
01:20:19,616 --> 01:20:22,756
we are very determined to build a long term care

1034
01:20:22,756 --> 01:20:26,366
a new long term care center in Markham and I'll

1035
01:20:26,366 --> 01:20:30,536
wait list as mentioned now presentation about it move ranks

1036
01:20:30,536 --> 01:20:33,296
number one in terms of the wait list so people

1037
01:20:33,296 --> 01:20:36,116
have to wait to like many many years to get

1038
01:20:36,116 --> 01:20:38,626
into a long term care

1039
01:20:38,626 --> 01:20:41,666
and that is why it is urgent for us to

1040
01:20:41,726 --> 01:20:44,286
to get the right zoning to get the lands which

1041
01:20:44,286 --> 01:20:47,346
I think everybody knows not easy to get land in

1042
01:20:47,346 --> 01:20:51,146
Markham well with the price that we can afford actually

1043
01:20:51,146 --> 01:20:53,826
it will be a substantial investment on the part of

1044
01:20:53,826 --> 01:20:57,506
mahjong we are not a real estate developer we would

1045
01:20:57,506 --> 01:21:00,366
not find land just to for the purpose of land

1046
01:21:00,366 --> 01:21:03,466
banking and for future development so we have to get

1047
01:21:03,836 --> 01:21:07,346
the right news before we can make a decision to

1048
01:21:07,346 --> 01:21:11,196
purchase that land the owner off thirty six apple creek

1049
01:21:11,366 --> 01:21:14,986
actually it's been very combine to extend for months and

1050
01:21:14,986 --> 01:21:18,166
that is right before Christmas that we've been working very

1051
01:21:18,166 --> 01:21:22,196
hard with them to get the extension and they've indicated

1052
01:21:22,196 --> 01:21:25,856
already it's very hard for them to so the extent

1053
01:21:26,426 --> 01:21:28,676
so we know that is only three weeks from that

1054
01:21:28,676 --> 01:21:31,716
that line and we very much wanted to know what

1055
01:21:31,716 --> 01:21:35,716
the we can actually proceed with the acquisition

1056
01:21:35,716 --> 01:21:39,226
besides working with the ministry of health on our application

1057
01:21:39,546 --> 01:21:44,776
we are also looking at other opportunities to acquire licenses

1058
01:21:44,776 --> 01:21:49,516
from the LTZ operators for whoever is the one to

1059
01:21:49,516 --> 01:21:53,336
operate in the future because we see the needs of

1060
01:21:53,646 --> 01:21:57,796
the LTC licenses for the community and in particular for

1061
01:21:57,796 --> 01:22:01,946
the city of Markham because as mentioned the population the

1062
01:22:01,946 --> 01:22:07,306
senior population is rising not in proportion of the availability

1063
01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:10,366
of the long term care beds which is actually in

1064
01:22:10,366 --> 01:22:15,506
very dire need so we hope that the council would

1065
01:22:15,536 --> 01:22:19,056
support us ... and then we could move this as

1066
01:22:19,056 --> 01:22:21,606
quickly as we can and I would like to have

1067
01:22:21,636 --> 01:22:25,666
this opportunity to thank the staff team actually have several

1068
01:22:25,666 --> 01:22:29,466
meetings of the mention to us what the requirements are

1069
01:22:29,836 --> 01:22:34,586
and now what usually the owner or the ... are

1070
01:22:34,586 --> 01:22:37,836
the operator has to go through which we have already

1071
01:22:37,836 --> 01:22:41,306
promised that we will comply with the requirements man comes

1072
01:22:41,306 --> 01:22:44,666
to the site plan stage

1073
01:22:44,666 --> 01:22:55,586
thank you Mr chair

1074
01:23:03,106 --> 01:23:04,916
councillor whole

1075
01:23:04,916 --> 01:23:09,406
yeah thank you Mr chair well ... I would appreciate

1076
01:23:09,406 --> 01:23:14,656
you know ... ... public consultation meetings before you know

1077
01:23:14,656 --> 01:23:18,866
... and you decision however I also understand that it's

1078
01:23:18,896 --> 01:23:21,896
not you know ...

1079
01:23:21,896 --> 01:23:25,106
you showcase you know fall most of you know the

1080
01:23:25,106 --> 01:23:30,116
provincial ... regulations so that case you know I would

1081
01:23:30,146 --> 01:23:34,106
not Graydon the applicant no I was stopped or not

1082
01:23:34,136 --> 01:23:39,046
you know heavy and the public meetings and not everybody

1083
01:23:39,166 --> 01:23:43,056
knows that you know opportunities you know running short of

1084
01:23:43,056 --> 01:23:46,656
time because you know they they need you know I'll

1085
01:23:46,656 --> 01:23:50,956
be in lights in order to close seat so in

1086
01:23:50,956 --> 01:23:53,006
that case you know I of course you know ...

1087
01:23:53,006 --> 01:23:56,126
really ... you know some of you know at this

1088
01:23:56,126 --> 01:23:58,716
project and

1089
01:23:58,716 --> 01:24:01,296
everybody knows that you know in the past I very

1090
01:24:01,296 --> 01:24:05,346
much you know objectives ... to land conversion however this

1091
01:24:05,346 --> 01:24:08,756
time is not a LED conversion from the employment land

1092
01:24:08,756 --> 01:24:13,216
to residential is we are always expanding the jewels to

1093
01:24:13,256 --> 01:24:19,106
mixed use including ... institutional ... purpose as well as

1094
01:24:19,106 --> 01:24:22,236
you know at providing services to long term care see

1095
01:24:22,236 --> 01:24:27,346
India ... home that kind of thing so I I

1096
01:24:27,346 --> 01:24:31,306
think ... we should not have been the big problem

1097
01:24:31,866 --> 01:24:35,486
... talk about you know ... Mahneshan ... as you

1098
01:24:35,486 --> 01:24:38,436
know and everybody knows that my should you know it

1099
01:24:38,436 --> 01:24:41,566
used a name up to you though ... I committee

1100
01:24:41,566 --> 01:24:45,466
leader three thousand years ago providing not only for three

1101
01:24:45,466 --> 01:24:49,016
at lunch but free meals to more than three thousand

1102
01:24:49,016 --> 01:24:53,286
people at that time so I appreciate that you know

1103
01:24:53,286 --> 01:24:55,666
... that this my son has been doing a great

1104
01:24:55,696 --> 01:25:01,266
job over the years of providing services to senior community

1105
01:25:01,436 --> 01:25:04,546
long term care committee as well as you know the

1106
01:25:04,546 --> 01:25:09,296
young people so this is you know where good of

1107
01:25:09,296 --> 01:25:12,826
them and I also remember that when could you listed

1108
01:25:12,826 --> 01:25:15,866
bent you know visit to you know Canada my show

1109
01:25:15,896 --> 01:25:19,846
was the only chart the charitable organizer you should she

1110
01:25:19,846 --> 01:25:23,466
wish to take so you can see you know a

1111
01:25:23,466 --> 01:25:27,026
how good they are because to note that nonprofit organizations

1112
01:25:27,246 --> 01:25:32,906
and they also you know go white services tool ...

1113
01:25:32,906 --> 01:25:35,726
committee in

1114
01:25:35,726 --> 01:25:39,226
I am not the way this is long and now

1115
01:25:39,226 --> 01:25:44,086
it is time um well finally you know find a

1116
01:25:44,086 --> 01:25:47,726
good location he might walk you but to get a

1117
01:25:47,726 --> 01:25:50,256
lot that's very good

1118
01:25:50,256 --> 01:25:54,226
so all right well ... all right I thank you

1119
01:25:54,226 --> 01:25:57,116
know all the previous us because you know supporting on

1120
01:25:57,486 --> 01:26:02,036
this project and I'm more than happy to second you

1121
01:26:02,036 --> 01:26:04,426
know the motion moved by

1122
01:26:04,426 --> 01:26:06,816
thank you

1123
01:26:06,816 --> 01:26:11,196
okay next is a master duty after that it's transfer

1124
01:26:11,196 --> 01:26:18,806
keys Guelph Line rate and ... Smith

1125
01:26:18,806 --> 01:26:23,616
thank you very much share and not responsive thank you

1126
01:26:23,616 --> 01:26:28,016
to Maanshan ground floor being as

1127
01:26:28,016 --> 01:26:32,526
man man diligent to try and stop motion along here

1128
01:26:32,526 --> 01:26:38,456
facility are in the city Marquard and not particularly here

1129
01:26:38,666 --> 01:26:42,106
not but certainly for York region as well I think

1130
01:26:42,136 --> 01:26:45,796
you're going to go over ... did need not for

1131
01:26:45,796 --> 01:26:50,106
long term care facilities nothing was lost the Canadian minor

1132
01:26:50,106 --> 01:26:54,476
violence and by him and the numbers nine and certainly

1133
01:26:54,506 --> 01:26:57,766
not that the crisis that we're chasing our with not

1134
01:26:57,766 --> 01:27:02,636
only long term care not responsible ... housing in a

1135
01:27:02,636 --> 01:27:07,266
range of constant nah nah nah I I guess

1136
01:27:07,266 --> 01:27:10,466
I would say that in some respects it's too bad

1137
01:27:11,036 --> 01:27:14,316
... fine our our you know our songs and in

1138
01:27:14,316 --> 01:27:19,706
this position ... generally ... but I think it's determined

1139
01:27:19,706 --> 01:27:22,596
something I've been speaking to the process

1140
01:27:22,596 --> 01:27:25,676
for several months now ... you know I I would

1141
01:27:25,676 --> 01:27:32,016
say that in our planning process now it's probably broken

1142
01:27:32,016 --> 01:27:37,266
Robinson Ontario are there needs to be changes made to

1143
01:27:37,296 --> 01:27:44,046
the process that aren't certainly allows were modestly local decision

1144
01:27:44,046 --> 01:27:48,976
making local inbox but the process is just economy hearing

1145
01:27:48,976 --> 01:27:52,816
early to number some and and and way too long

1146
01:27:53,226 --> 01:27:57,486
to allow ... projects like this is not absolute near

1147
01:27:57,936 --> 01:28:00,186
in our community

1148
01:28:00,186 --> 01:28:04,466
seated in a timely fashion so you know I think

1149
01:28:04,496 --> 01:28:06,646
it's indicative of

1150
01:28:06,646 --> 01:28:09,756
I know how may some may not agree to resistance

1151
01:28:09,756 --> 01:28:11,216
broke

1152
01:28:11,216 --> 01:28:13,446
certainly needs a hell of a lot of retention in

1153
01:28:13,446 --> 01:28:16,106
my opinion so when you take a look at the

1154
01:28:16,106 --> 01:28:17,886
fact

1155
01:28:17,886 --> 01:28:22,086
members of council members birds status will be

1156
01:28:22,086 --> 01:28:26,816
it is where we stand our to accommodate future growth

1157
01:28:26,816 --> 01:28:30,996
within our community I mean it's been over ten years

1158
01:28:31,176 --> 01:28:35,196
not that those areas have been under our review of

1159
01:28:35,196 --> 01:28:39,686
non wage and hasn't been wanna hold built in those

1160
01:28:39,686 --> 01:28:44,416
areas one home where a young family are managed to

1161
01:28:44,446 --> 01:28:49,196
or a senior would move into our seniors

1162
01:28:49,196 --> 01:28:52,166
and that's just too long I think it speaks to

1163
01:28:52,166 --> 01:28:56,916
the crisis that we have I'm gonna miss you shorter

1164
01:28:56,916 --> 01:28:59,956
than this I don't wanna highlighted anything yeah you know

1165
01:29:00,426 --> 01:29:05,076
you're not a professional planning purposes Sam continue to advocate

1166
01:29:05,256 --> 01:29:08,766
the province of Ontario not to make the changes that

1167
01:29:08,766 --> 01:29:13,386
that are needed for us to have greater flexibility not

1168
01:29:13,386 --> 01:29:18,196
seeking an honorable contracts certainly not being able to get

1169
01:29:18,236 --> 01:29:22,396
things not because not the process stand in the way

1170
01:29:22,436 --> 01:29:24,526
of getting things not

1171
01:29:24,526 --> 01:29:28,486
during the motion he shows one in three years just

1172
01:29:28,526 --> 01:29:33,536
asking us not to comment on the existing zoning so

1173
01:29:33,536 --> 01:29:37,836
what would be the full range of uses the the

1174
01:29:37,836 --> 01:29:43,956
existing zoning

1175
01:29:43,956 --> 01:29:45,996
even

1176
01:29:45,996 --> 01:29:50,236
thanks Mr through you into two Mayor start pretty ...

1177
01:29:50,266 --> 01:29:53,206
the the zoning right now on the lands are what

1178
01:29:53,206 --> 01:29:57,206
we call M. C. forty under ... under zoning bylaw

1179
01:29:57,206 --> 01:29:59,316
one six five PD

1180
01:29:59,316 --> 01:30:04,296
about zone category permits a range of industrial uses as

1181
01:30:04,296 --> 01:30:10,666
well as commercial uses including banks and financial institutions business

1182
01:30:10,666 --> 01:30:12,406
offices

1183
01:30:12,406 --> 01:30:17,656
social schools hotels and motels and that's specifically what it

1184
01:30:17,656 --> 01:30:20,226
says in the zoning right now

1185
01:30:20,226 --> 01:30:25,946
someone that speaks to select industrial warehouse building here and

1186
01:30:26,006 --> 01:30:28,266
then operating under the

1187
01:30:28,266 --> 01:30:30,406
Zacks

1188
01:30:30,406 --> 01:30:36,686
through you Mr Shettar the property correct that is correct

1189
01:30:36,686 --> 01:30:40,046
you know it's it's

1190
01:30:40,046 --> 01:30:45,446
I perfectly understand all of the previous comments ... and

1191
01:30:45,446 --> 01:30:48,426
and and and all in the spirit of which they

1192
01:30:48,426 --> 01:30:52,356
work worked Saturday I don't disagree with that

1193
01:30:52,356 --> 01:30:56,846
not being sent to moral ... because zoning is in

1194
01:30:56,846 --> 01:31:03,466
place not a warehouse ... would be allowed to use

1195
01:31:03,496 --> 01:31:09,306
the site and not and not everybody you see things

1196
01:31:09,306 --> 01:31:12,876
from a different perspective that certainly

1197
01:31:12,876 --> 01:31:15,686
not a lot of more impacts you one of the

1198
01:31:15,686 --> 01:31:22,216
existing community these are our hands obviously they wouldn't need

1199
01:31:22,216 --> 01:31:27,066
not rezoning amendment to facilitate that thank you bye property

1200
01:31:27,096 --> 01:31:30,686
remain with the site plan and the and the operations

1201
01:31:30,686 --> 01:31:33,496
there so while I understand this

1202
01:31:33,496 --> 01:31:36,666
I think that's been sent I also say there your

1203
01:31:36,716 --> 01:31:40,106
grand we want these things

1204
01:31:40,106 --> 01:31:44,806
welcome back to be more detrimental to the surrounding area

1205
01:31:45,516 --> 01:31:49,396
and Mister chairman reason that I'm I'm not leaving the

1206
01:31:49,396 --> 01:31:53,456
motion not to provide comments by the way I think

1207
01:31:53,456 --> 01:31:58,136
in the motion we should actually well appreciated optional square

1208
01:31:58,536 --> 01:32:02,626
now really I like the fact that the manager clauses

1209
01:32:02,676 --> 01:32:07,326
the City marker ... ... is

1210
01:32:07,326 --> 01:32:11,776
ask our students he site plan approval I think this

1211
01:32:11,776 --> 01:32:16,756
is not an important aspect of marketing a public process

1212
01:32:16,756 --> 01:32:20,736
which can certainly deal with issues within the context of

1213
01:32:20,736 --> 01:32:24,606
the site plan application I think it should be something

1214
01:32:24,606 --> 01:32:27,726
that that's highlighted because not you know we take great

1215
01:32:27,726 --> 01:32:31,726
pride have to sign it urban form here in the

1216
01:32:31,816 --> 01:32:34,466
city of Markham and that's very much a part of

1217
01:32:34,466 --> 01:32:38,276
the site plan application the other part of that speaks

1218
01:32:38,276 --> 01:32:42,566
a little bit too some of the issues that ranks

1219
01:32:42,956 --> 01:32:46,906
... if it's not actually in the main resolution are

1220
01:32:46,906 --> 01:32:51,306
like look man one of the conditions are and you

1221
01:32:51,306 --> 01:32:57,206
know not be X. also include the normal units on

1222
01:32:57,206 --> 01:33:04,016
the east side of the front portion of the building

1223
01:33:04,016 --> 01:33:09,586
on our free no units stocks onto that site fees

1224
01:33:09,866 --> 01:33:14,076
these are so high and I'm assuming you tonight maybe

1225
01:33:14,076 --> 01:33:16,746
the wrong assumption when I see the lay out of

1226
01:33:16,746 --> 01:33:20,206
these don't last I assume that we don't we units

1227
01:33:20,206 --> 01:33:24,396
with your answers your marks now monitor would be court

1228
01:33:24,396 --> 01:33:29,336
orders ... down there obviously in order to be windows

1229
01:33:30,016 --> 01:33:33,556
on the east side now that allow natural light into

1230
01:33:33,556 --> 01:33:37,676
those corridors that actually units on that the small most

1231
01:33:37,676 --> 01:33:39,976
easterly wall not

1232
01:33:39,976 --> 01:33:42,596
on to the eastern

1233
01:33:42,596 --> 01:33:46,446
are working on that and not to the east so

1234
01:33:46,446 --> 01:33:50,036
back could be it also included in that the rear

1235
01:33:50,066 --> 01:33:53,876
portion is fine because it's further away from the residents

1236
01:33:54,356 --> 01:33:57,956
and then even with the ... with the green space

1237
01:33:57,956 --> 01:34:02,016
there which is not a wonderful buffer ... I think

1238
01:34:02,486 --> 01:34:06,576
we should incorporate not dish so we're not procedural will

1239
01:34:06,576 --> 01:34:11,026
move on the recommendation I cannot out of lost my

1240
01:34:11,026 --> 01:34:16,486
leading that the city of Markham is requesting site plan

1241
01:34:16,486 --> 01:34:20,276
we will not be retained by the city of Markham

1242
01:34:20,656 --> 01:34:23,216
and then we had and the ... the appendixes runner

1243
01:34:23,216 --> 01:34:29,486
condition all units are which means you strictly not necessarily

1244
01:34:29,906 --> 01:34:35,116
are on the front wait while the building that is

1245
01:34:35,116 --> 01:34:37,656
not on that front

1246
01:34:37,656 --> 01:34:41,756
we noticed you are I think this is an IBM

1247
01:34:41,866 --> 01:34:45,896
site ... I think we're fortunate in that there is

1248
01:34:45,896 --> 01:34:50,186
a popular we need to see unity that allows not

1249
01:34:50,186 --> 01:34:54,946
only distance greenery between the existing community and that's not

1250
01:34:54,996 --> 01:34:59,806
in this project and is an ideal ... again everyone

1251
01:34:59,806 --> 01:35:03,716
comes at this from different perspectives when is this moral

1252
01:35:03,716 --> 01:35:06,906
warehouse to go in there and it's not it would

1253
01:35:06,906 --> 01:35:12,406
be shocking activity not trucks not running that Solana early

1254
01:35:12,406 --> 01:35:16,016
morning or late night now I think someone that is

1255
01:35:16,016 --> 01:35:18,226
not being ideal I

1256
01:35:18,226 --> 01:35:21,926
and I think it's really nice the prices very very

1257
01:35:22,486 --> 01:35:26,866
dignity in our community here her mark and taking early

1258
01:35:27,076 --> 01:35:29,506
in York region right now I want to say thank

1259
01:35:29,506 --> 01:35:33,896
you shop for sticking with it and and working through

1260
01:35:33,896 --> 01:35:36,816
a process that you know it's not easy to find

1261
01:35:36,816 --> 01:35:42,096
sites number one and number two you are through whatever

1262
01:35:42,256 --> 01:35:45,136
process is that when I say that the planning process

1263
01:35:45,136 --> 01:35:48,766
is broken it's broken for everyone because organizations like this

1264
01:35:49,376 --> 01:35:51,746
moment your word and we get it you know a

1265
01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,306
lot of time trying to do these things for the

1266
01:35:54,306 --> 01:35:57,986
better part of our community and I think it's an

1267
01:35:57,986 --> 01:36:02,776
ideal site marker to the east the residential community and

1268
01:36:02,776 --> 01:36:07,476
to the west Palm are we can ... you know

1269
01:36:07,476 --> 01:36:13,496
it's all intensive purposes you cannot plaza and it's not

1270
01:36:13,856 --> 01:36:18,806
some rock climbing not facility so I don't think there's

1271
01:36:18,806 --> 01:36:22,946
going to be certain to the west to the south

1272
01:36:24,336 --> 01:36:26,816
this is not it is close not only some of

1273
01:36:26,816 --> 01:36:30,046
our retail but even the park in a little bit

1274
01:36:30,046 --> 01:36:34,436
should you stop on that three there's definitely an opportunity

1275
01:36:34,436 --> 01:36:38,346
here with these residents to be enjoying some of the

1276
01:36:38,586 --> 01:36:42,386
amenities that are already in the future and I believe

1277
01:36:42,386 --> 01:36:46,106
that seconded by council

1278
01:36:46,106 --> 01:36:48,186
next year

1279
01:36:48,186 --> 01:36:52,086
thank you next is our trusted keys but Mr Mayor

1280
01:36:52,086 --> 01:36:53,786
on your

1281
01:36:53,786 --> 01:36:57,346
when the situation it's seventy five meters and three hundred

1282
01:36:57,346 --> 01:37:00,206
meters it's a for a lot of ways away from

1283
01:37:00,236 --> 01:37:04,736
the residential

1284
01:37:04,736 --> 01:37:10,186
it

1285
01:37:10,186 --> 01:37:15,246
we just get a clarification the distance of the valley

1286
01:37:15,246 --> 01:37:26,426
yes the mayor wants to speak again ons

1287
01:37:26,426 --> 01:37:31,276
I just need to be absolutely clear maybe Steven or

1288
01:37:31,276 --> 01:37:35,046
someone who just what are the site plan I don't

1289
01:37:35,046 --> 01:37:39,286
disagree there is distance I'm just not saying it can't

1290
01:37:39,286 --> 01:37:41,296
be any windows I think we should be when the

1291
01:37:41,296 --> 01:37:44,786
bills so it's not building number one

1292
01:37:44,786 --> 01:37:49,966
east wall of the front portion right there that ...

1293
01:37:50,106 --> 01:37:53,046
again I am not opposed to windows that would let

1294
01:37:53,126 --> 01:37:56,646
natural light into corridors and things like that it's just

1295
01:37:56,766 --> 01:38:01,706
units fronting looking east with Lake are interconnected it was

1296
01:38:01,706 --> 01:38:04,736
not all lower rise building I might not necessarily have

1297
01:38:04,736 --> 01:38:07,786
an issue with that we just because we are you

1298
01:38:07,786 --> 01:38:10,636
know sort of the mid rise here that's really why

1299
01:38:10,786 --> 01:38:13,276
I'm making that condition I would be the only portion

1300
01:38:13,276 --> 01:38:16,506
is to share on pocket I'm okay with windows it's

1301
01:38:16,506 --> 01:38:23,206
just units looking out he's easterly are from that section

1302
01:38:23,946 --> 01:38:26,046
the other party in the pocket don't have a problem

1303
01:38:26,046 --> 01:38:29,396
with it now because those units as soon where would

1304
01:38:29,496 --> 01:38:34,746
he be contributor artists not winning Park Steven a building

1305
01:38:34,746 --> 01:38:36,266
one

1306
01:38:36,266 --> 01:38:41,506
make there yeah the ... yeah right there are we

1307
01:38:41,506 --> 01:38:44,026
don't have a problem with units frankly not to that

1308
01:38:44,026 --> 01:38:47,446
area yeah there's not distance and I'm not making the

1309
01:38:47,446 --> 01:38:51,686
same requirements building to Mister chair is building number two

1310
01:38:51,716 --> 01:38:55,286
was a long term care facility and then we looked

1311
01:38:55,286 --> 01:38:58,146
at our

1312
01:38:58,146 --> 01:39:01,016
councillor keys

1313
01:39:01,016 --> 01:39:03,646
thank you Mr chair ... I just want to share

1314
01:39:03,646 --> 01:39:06,166
it I guess some by personal experience here with long

1315
01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:09,516
term care and and ... give some perspective I guess

1316
01:39:09,516 --> 01:39:11,326
not all of us have had to deal with it

1317
01:39:11,326 --> 01:39:13,726
but it was probably ... I guess about five years

1318
01:39:13,726 --> 01:39:16,526
ago where my yeah I guess my ninety two year

1319
01:39:16,526 --> 01:39:19,306
old father found that he was no longer able to

1320
01:39:19,306 --> 01:39:23,196
... support himself in his in his apartment and we

1321
01:39:23,196 --> 01:39:26,126
found ourselves having for the first time actually having to

1322
01:39:26,696 --> 01:39:28,866
I guess get an education and in the in the

1323
01:39:28,866 --> 01:39:31,306
situation in terms of

1324
01:39:31,306 --> 01:39:34,866
for our seniors and ... it was quite an education

1325
01:39:34,906 --> 01:39:38,366
... ... I discovered very quickly first of all to

1326
01:39:38,366 --> 01:39:41,546
get into anything in Markham was a seven year wait

1327
01:39:42,066 --> 01:39:45,846
time which ... at ninety two ... that seemed ...

1328
01:39:46,076 --> 01:39:50,526
... certainly ... onerous the other was the was actually

1329
01:39:50,526 --> 01:39:52,726
the costs and so the so the wait time obviously

1330
01:39:52,726 --> 01:39:54,776
relates to the supply

1331
01:39:54,776 --> 01:39:57,086
... but the other thing that I I discovered was

1332
01:39:57,086 --> 01:40:00,446
that Markham is is in is in terms of ...

1333
01:40:01,306 --> 01:40:04,076
the ratio of of long term care and senior beds

1334
01:40:04,076 --> 01:40:05,326
for

1335
01:40:05,326 --> 01:40:07,736
well as for seniors in the region is one of

1336
01:40:07,736 --> 01:40:11,036
the lowest so there's a there really isn't a short

1337
01:40:11,036 --> 01:40:15,026
supply ... that's my ... perhaps long winded way of

1338
01:40:15,026 --> 01:40:17,566
saying that I'm I'm certainly in support of of any

1339
01:40:18,046 --> 01:40:20,816
any increase in the supply whether it's private whether it's

1340
01:40:20,816 --> 01:40:23,996
a non profit I believe that increasing the supply is

1341
01:40:23,996 --> 01:40:26,036
critical we have to do it

1342
01:40:26,036 --> 01:40:29,326
... so I certainly support this project and I would

1343
01:40:29,326 --> 01:40:32,276
echo what ... of the mayor said earlier about the

1344
01:40:32,276 --> 01:40:35,736
planning process one of the reasons we're seeing the shortages

1345
01:40:35,736 --> 01:40:38,166
one of the reasons were saying the high costs it's

1346
01:40:38,166 --> 01:40:40,456
not just a matter of of shortages but when you

1347
01:40:40,456 --> 01:40:42,296
can't find a place

1348
01:40:42,296 --> 01:40:45,276
... because of such a short supply of the prices

1349
01:40:45,276 --> 01:40:48,346
are are are quite X. extravagant as well so I

1350
01:40:48,346 --> 01:40:50,336
think we really have to do all we can to

1351
01:40:50,336 --> 01:40:55,516
us to move projects like this forward ... and ...

1352
01:40:56,036 --> 01:40:58,196
and certainly I welcome it so I'm I'm in support

1353
01:40:58,196 --> 01:41:00,616
of that all the best that thank you

1354
01:41:00,616 --> 01:41:03,536
councillor I see Lee

1355
01:41:03,536 --> 01:41:06,736
thank you Mr characterful I again thank you so much

1356
01:41:06,736 --> 01:41:09,886
for bringing this presentation up and I agree with well

1357
01:41:09,886 --> 01:41:12,506
I I agree with Mr Mayor and also I council

1358
01:41:12,506 --> 01:41:15,206
keys and many others I just mentioned I don't want

1359
01:41:15,206 --> 01:41:18,696
to repeat anything I just also wanted to share some

1360
01:41:18,696 --> 01:41:21,526
experiences I just got a call from a resident at

1361
01:41:21,726 --> 01:41:25,456
at much time courting my wife and that she asking

1362
01:41:25,486 --> 01:41:28,896
if there if they had the opportunity of foreign ...

1363
01:41:29,066 --> 01:41:31,356
to to move to any a long term care to

1364
01:41:31,356 --> 01:41:35,866
see if they're actually X. actually a sort of shortage

1365
01:41:35,926 --> 01:41:38,976
and ... the resident is actually now living is private

1366
01:41:38,976 --> 01:41:42,466
care it is clear and to think that and actually

1367
01:41:42,566 --> 01:41:44,586
that that person is living in a private here at

1368
01:41:44,586 --> 01:41:47,906
some and they are waiting for it moving up to

1369
01:41:47,906 --> 01:41:50,766
long term can't that's why they're living there and there

1370
01:41:50,766 --> 01:41:53,066
has been a few years ask you a few months

1371
01:41:53,066 --> 01:41:56,086
already so they're actually still waiting for the clock to

1372
01:41:56,086 --> 01:41:58,906
get into a long term care and I really understand

1373
01:41:58,906 --> 01:42:01,936
how one of brushed out what the situation would be

1374
01:42:01,966 --> 01:42:04,336
when their parents at a point where they can't do

1375
01:42:04,336 --> 01:42:08,576
you think about all these planning about so I again

1376
01:42:08,646 --> 01:42:12,686
I'm unsure project pointing out that application and yes I'll

1377
01:42:12,686 --> 01:42:15,866
just yeah I'll just put them connect thank you

1378
01:42:15,866 --> 01:42:17,786
councillor McAlpine

1379
01:42:17,786 --> 01:42:21,566
... thank you Mr chair ... I will echo I

1380
01:42:21,566 --> 01:42:23,946
think most of my fellow councillors that I'm and I'm

1381
01:42:23,986 --> 01:42:26,586
very much in support of this I have a father

1382
01:42:26,586 --> 01:42:28,856
on the waiting list for long term care so this

1383
01:42:28,856 --> 01:42:33,256
hits pretty close to home ... ... I I also

1384
01:42:33,256 --> 01:42:36,396
think that this is this is the sort of situation

1385
01:42:36,396 --> 01:42:39,716
for which Ms that always word design

1386
01:42:39,716 --> 01:42:42,536
... and so from that perspective I think supporting it

1387
01:42:42,536 --> 01:42:45,116
as you know the PM's and ... processes good here

1388
01:42:45,116 --> 01:42:48,566
it's really unfortunate that the M. that ... protest in

1389
01:42:48,566 --> 01:42:52,226
other instances has been used recently in in ... in

1390
01:42:52,226 --> 01:42:54,856
Ontario and it's sort of given the process a bad

1391
01:42:54,856 --> 01:42:57,666
name but this is exactly the sort of situation with

1392
01:42:57,666 --> 01:43:00,306
designed to address in my reading and so I I

1393
01:43:00,306 --> 01:43:05,486
have no problem in supporting it ... ... I would

1394
01:43:05,486 --> 01:43:11,876
however support ... councillor Keith in in in ...

1395
01:43:11,876 --> 01:43:15,056
the notion that there should be some ... public consultation

1396
01:43:15,056 --> 01:43:19,026
and I say that based on experience ... and I

1397
01:43:19,026 --> 01:43:21,586
know councillor keys was there and I think Deputy Mayor

1398
01:43:21,586 --> 01:43:26,676
Hamilton ... we held a community meeting ... a couple

1399
01:43:26,676 --> 01:43:29,206
of years ago with respect to a very high level

1400
01:43:29,206 --> 01:43:34,816
conceptual notion of of adding maybe twenty ... retirement recordable

1401
01:43:34,816 --> 01:43:39,806
retirement units in Ward three and the public opposition was

1402
01:43:39,856 --> 01:43:43,136
shocking and with the Chris we sat ... through a

1403
01:43:43,136 --> 01:43:47,786
two hour meeting you know hot very crowded ... ...

1404
01:43:47,786 --> 01:43:52,286
church hall and ... were yelled after two hours ...

1405
01:43:52,396 --> 01:43:57,286
so don't over estimate public support for this when it's

1406
01:43:57,286 --> 01:44:00,406
close to people's homes and I think ... as much

1407
01:44:00,406 --> 01:44:03,526
as I support this I think that we we can't

1408
01:44:03,526 --> 01:44:07,006
be seen because you're simply being railroaded through or ramming

1409
01:44:07,006 --> 01:44:10,556
it through so ... I do think that we need

1410
01:44:10,556 --> 01:44:12,836
to ... we do need to include some some public

1411
01:44:12,836 --> 01:44:15,796
consultation in this process so from that perspective all support

1412
01:44:15,876 --> 01:44:19,426
that councillor ... it's amendment I guess to the motion

1413
01:44:19,696 --> 01:44:20,776
thank you

1414
01:44:20,776 --> 01:44:26,066
councillor right

1415
01:44:26,066 --> 01:44:27,346
she

1416
01:44:27,346 --> 01:44:30,406
thank you I'm I just have a further comment to

1417
01:44:30,406 --> 01:44:33,476
what the massacre if I had appendix E. as well

1418
01:44:33,876 --> 01:44:36,536
... question to Stephen

1419
01:44:36,536 --> 01:44:39,826
site plan doesn't come back to development services correct it's

1420
01:44:39,826 --> 01:44:43,966
author it's them delegated authority to staff

1421
01:44:43,966 --> 01:44:47,466
Bob through you Mr chair too councillor ray ... in

1422
01:44:47,466 --> 01:44:52,906
this situation they would be coming back to DST

1423
01:44:52,906 --> 01:44:59,106
so do we need that in the resolution

1424
01:44:59,106 --> 01:45:00,916
so there to make sure it does come back to

1425
01:45:00,916 --> 01:45:03,206
DSC

1426
01:45:03,206 --> 01:45:05,546
what number times very

1427
01:45:05,546 --> 01:45:08,096
do we need that in the resolution that it comes

1428
01:45:08,096 --> 01:45:11,436
back to DSC

1429
01:45:11,436 --> 01:45:13,786
from

1430
01:45:13,786 --> 01:45:17,826
sorry my apologies Austin Mr question maybe I can assist

1431
01:45:17,856 --> 01:45:22,256
here this evening share well so I use

1432
01:45:22,256 --> 01:45:25,176
... sure yes I can do I can tell you

1433
01:45:25,176 --> 01:45:28,876
that there's no need for a resolution councillor ray on

1434
01:45:28,876 --> 01:45:32,146
this particular one because it's part of the delegates bylaw

1435
01:45:32,146 --> 01:45:36,746
for delegation ... so Biju is on the line the

1436
01:45:36,746 --> 01:45:39,936
director of planning and most teams having some audio issues

1437
01:45:39,936 --> 01:45:43,036
maybe beach you can clarify the bylaw and in what

1438
01:45:43,036 --> 01:45:45,896
instances it comes back in and not so we can

1439
01:45:45,896 --> 01:45:49,346
be absolutely clear ... in terms of ... whether you

1440
01:45:49,346 --> 01:45:51,816
need a resolution or not so be you could you

1441
01:45:51,816 --> 01:45:54,106
just clarify that for us

1442
01:45:54,106 --> 01:45:59,976
just one

1443
01:45:59,976 --> 01:46:02,196
13 foot account

1444
01:46:02,196 --> 01:46:03,496
he

1445
01:46:03,496 --> 01:46:04,966
I'm sorry

1446
01:46:04,966 --> 01:46:07,786
I think

1447
01:46:07,786 --> 01:46:09,976
I'm trying to get my most

1448
01:46:09,976 --> 01:46:11,686
working here

1449
01:46:11,686 --> 01:46:13,516
your most of your money

1450
01:46:13,516 --> 01:46:15,446
book book

1451
01:46:15,446 --> 01:46:17,126
so

1452
01:46:17,126 --> 01:46:21,476
councillor great is that the question that you're asking

1453
01:46:21,476 --> 01:46:23,386
yeah I structure

1454
01:46:23,386 --> 01:46:26,996
sheriff I could just the structure could just intervene the

1455
01:46:26,996 --> 01:46:30,466
best of my recollection is when a road is on

1456
01:46:30,466 --> 01:46:33,806
a collector when a story about a project is on

1457
01:46:33,806 --> 01:46:37,696
a collector wrote ... that is not delegated to style

1458
01:46:37,816 --> 01:46:40,796
I would say though just to be clear we do

1459
01:46:40,796 --> 01:46:44,856
want this coming back to committee and I don't think

1460
01:46:44,856 --> 01:46:48,226
we should included in this resolution because this is our

1461
01:46:48,286 --> 01:46:51,136
comments to the province but we can pass a separate

1462
01:46:51,136 --> 01:46:55,276
resolution but because it's on a collector road I believe

1463
01:46:55,276 --> 01:46:58,566
that delegated authority is that it's not obligated to stop

1464
01:46:58,956 --> 01:47:01,766
it has to come back to development services but I'm

1465
01:47:01,766 --> 01:47:05,526
going from recollection we can process separate no motion just

1466
01:47:05,526 --> 01:47:09,106
to be clear Bruce Jenner ... I'm I'm online now

1467
01:47:09,506 --> 01:47:12,366
... this site plan application for this product will be

1468
01:47:12,366 --> 01:47:16,246
coming back to DC at some point the zoning bylaw

1469
01:47:16,276 --> 01:47:18,986
this is a common doesn't as commission mentioned is there

1470
01:47:18,986 --> 01:47:22,546
a comment to the Ministry told this that matter once

1471
01:47:22,546 --> 01:47:24,116
a

1472
01:47:24,116 --> 01:47:26,326
it community information meeting if it is to be held

1473
01:47:26,326 --> 01:47:28,686
we would need a resolution from council but after back

1474
01:47:29,196 --> 01:47:32,376
well we can certainly ... ... students come to the

1475
01:47:32,376 --> 01:47:36,126
province the site plan the promise agrees ... right now

1476
01:47:36,126 --> 01:47:39,016
under the legislation seven approved is subject is with the

1477
01:47:39,016 --> 01:47:42,176
province but if the promise agrees and allows us to

1478
01:47:42,176 --> 01:47:44,586
deal with like one application we will bring that back

1479
01:47:44,636 --> 01:47:50,346
to DC

1480
01:47:50,346 --> 01:47:52,356
and the and the second question I mean I don't

1481
01:47:52,356 --> 01:47:54,886
like the and said ... process and I didn't find

1482
01:47:54,886 --> 01:47:57,486
out about this until the weekend because I read the

1483
01:47:57,486 --> 01:48:00,586
agenda last weekend

1484
01:48:00,586 --> 01:48:02,606
until I got an email knowing that there was two

1485
01:48:02,606 --> 01:48:06,426
of them on today ... council's February twenty third so

1486
01:48:06,426 --> 01:48:11,326
maybe ... what councillor pokedex is a local councillor maybe

1487
01:48:11,326 --> 01:48:14,336
have a community information meeting between now and Feb twenty

1488
01:48:14,336 --> 01:48:17,316
third to let the residents don't of that are backing

1489
01:48:17,316 --> 01:48:19,386
onto this into the side of this know what's going

1490
01:48:19,386 --> 01:48:22,156
on so at that time

1491
01:48:22,156 --> 01:48:24,536
that might resolve all the issues that there is no

1492
01:48:24,536 --> 01:48:28,296
public consultation but it goes every twenty third council hope

1493
01:48:28,956 --> 01:48:31,516
could have that community meeting to let the residents know

1494
01:48:31,516 --> 01:48:33,556
what's going on

1495
01:48:33,556 --> 01:48:35,576
thank you

1496
01:48:35,576 --> 01:48:43,906
Posner hall not on mute please

1497
01:48:43,906 --> 01:48:47,186
okay yeah thank you Mr chair well I don't mind

1498
01:48:47,186 --> 01:48:52,746
you know hosting a sub ... public information meeting however

1499
01:48:52,876 --> 01:48:55,866
since you know ... this was not required to eat

1500
01:48:55,866 --> 01:48:59,426
a pasta and that's why you know the applicant and

1501
01:48:59,686 --> 01:49:02,456
also I was stopped you know ... did not you

1502
01:49:02,456 --> 01:49:07,086
know the thing about having public meeting Ed the time

1503
01:49:07,086 --> 01:49:10,796
is running short for the applicant so I just don't

1504
01:49:10,796 --> 01:49:14,096
want to end up imitating we'll you know ... it

1505
01:49:14,466 --> 01:49:21,586
into the process of this application and I I also

1506
01:49:21,586 --> 01:49:24,386
think that you know in the future we may be

1507
01:49:24,386 --> 01:49:27,096
we need to get out ... have some sort of

1508
01:49:27,606 --> 01:49:31,026
public meeting in a fall while ... both of the

1509
01:49:31,026 --> 01:49:36,396
issues even under the provincial regulation but not this case

1510
01:49:36,396 --> 01:49:40,736
because you know as you all have heard that the

1511
01:49:40,736 --> 01:49:45,176
application will expire you know by February twenty eight only

1512
01:49:45,406 --> 01:49:49,276
well less than three weeks from now so ... this

1513
01:49:49,276 --> 01:49:52,696
case would be you know ... very unique case thank

1514
01:49:52,976 --> 01:49:54,106
you

1515
01:49:54,106 --> 01:49:56,906
so my understanding is staff didn't know about this until

1516
01:49:56,906 --> 01:50:00,276
choosing the gender was already got that's what I would

1517
01:50:00,276 --> 01:50:03,526
imagine it and so does have thirty days

1518
01:50:03,526 --> 01:50:04,906
Stephen

1519
01:50:04,906 --> 01:50:11,156
what

1520
01:50:11,156 --> 01:50:13,326
easy my internet or is it your into that because

1521
01:50:13,326 --> 01:50:17,186
I just upgraded mine my apologies I'm hearing every third

1522
01:50:17,186 --> 01:50:21,536
word ... I heard thirty days isn't and doesn't MTO

1523
01:50:21,536 --> 01:50:25,616
after being reported back to the province within thirty days

1524
01:50:25,616 --> 01:50:27,186
is that what

1525
01:50:27,186 --> 01:50:30,396
yes I know it's it's within 30 days

1526
01:50:30,396 --> 01:50:31,926
with my

1527
01:50:31,926 --> 01:50:34,806
they're always there is no time

1528
01:50:34,806 --> 01:50:37,666
there is no timeline I think the issue here is

1529
01:50:37,666 --> 01:50:40,416
the closing up of the property on the end of

1530
01:50:41,126 --> 01:50:43,566
that's what the issue so it's not that NCOs have

1531
01:50:43,676 --> 01:50:47,786
to be responded to within thirty days okay all right

1532
01:50:47,786 --> 01:50:53,606
share researcher ... I'm happy I'm happy again I think

1533
01:50:53,606 --> 01:50:56,626
it should be a separate resolution but I'm happy to

1534
01:50:56,626 --> 01:51:01,686
include that a public information meeting ... I think that

1535
01:51:01,686 --> 01:51:04,106
you know in some respects site

1536
01:51:04,106 --> 01:51:06,826
right support.

1537
01:51:06,826 --> 01:51:09,436
but in some respects I also think it's it's gonna

1538
01:51:09,436 --> 01:51:13,166
be a bit misleading to the public there's going to

1539
01:51:13,166 --> 01:51:17,926
be ample opportunity to have those those meetings ... I

1540
01:51:17,926 --> 01:51:22,836
should've included destiny are in the resolution I apologize ...

1541
01:51:22,836 --> 01:51:26,126
I think this needs to go to council tomorrow and

1542
01:51:26,126 --> 01:51:29,266
it's not just about it's not just about their land

1543
01:51:29,266 --> 01:51:34,106
deal ... I I think the province of Ontario is

1544
01:51:34,106 --> 01:51:39,626
going to be dealing with Amazon does imminently and ...

1545
01:51:39,766 --> 01:51:43,436
from my perspective hi I'd like to get our comments

1546
01:51:43,476 --> 01:51:46,876
into the problems now they can choose their timing of

1547
01:51:46,876 --> 01:51:48,876
when they want to do it if they want to

1548
01:51:48,876 --> 01:51:50,676
do it eminently or they want to do it in

1549
01:51:50,676 --> 01:51:53,816
two weeks time whatever the case may be but from

1550
01:51:53,816 --> 01:51:56,796
my perspective is is from us from a city of

1551
01:51:56,796 --> 01:52:00,476
Markham perspective I think we should get our comments in

1552
01:52:00,906 --> 01:52:05,736
we can hold public information meetings we got outlined ...

1553
01:52:05,736 --> 01:52:10,836
how the project is proposed are obviously deal with comments

1554
01:52:10,836 --> 01:52:13,406
a comment from the public on issues that we can

1555
01:52:13,406 --> 01:52:18,446
still deal with ... but you know it's it's not

1556
01:52:18,446 --> 01:52:21,916
if if the province deals with with them settles imminently

1557
01:52:22,366 --> 01:52:25,486
... them out we're not going to get our comments

1558
01:52:25,486 --> 01:52:28,536
and and I and I just from my perspective I'd

1559
01:52:28,536 --> 01:52:31,106
like to get our common sense and it doesn't take

1560
01:52:31,106 --> 01:52:36,376
away our opportunity the whole public information meetings yeah ...

1561
01:52:36,406 --> 01:52:40,046
so that's gonna include that in in the resolution because

1562
01:52:40,046 --> 01:52:43,116
I think that there's two there's actually a few things

1563
01:52:43,116 --> 01:52:46,106
one I I believe and I may be wrong but

1564
01:52:46,106 --> 01:52:48,646
I believe the province is that a deal with themselves

1565
01:52:48,676 --> 01:52:51,906
imminently so we want to get our comments and to

1566
01:52:52,416 --> 01:52:57,426
... you've heard articulated quite well by Maanshan that they're

1567
01:52:57,816 --> 01:53:00,836
under a time line to secure at least happen out

1568
01:53:01,446 --> 01:53:04,946
I believe that that's okay for them to secure our

1569
01:53:04,946 --> 01:53:09,856
this particular property for this purpose and I'll say three

1570
01:53:09,856 --> 01:53:12,166
and it's an important one

1571
01:53:12,166 --> 01:53:16,086
if they miss this window to proceed

1572
01:53:16,086 --> 01:53:19,826
then they will miss probably the window to get funding

1573
01:53:19,976 --> 01:53:23,486
in the next phase of of funding and allocation for

1574
01:53:23,486 --> 01:53:26,976
beds and that's not to say they'll never get them

1575
01:53:27,436 --> 01:53:31,876
... but you know when we have an opportunity with

1576
01:53:31,876 --> 01:53:35,536
an organization that's committed to delivering when there is a

1577
01:53:35,566 --> 01:53:39,196
a program ... allocation that's going to be coming shortly

1578
01:53:39,646 --> 01:53:41,996
... and there's a deadline for that they have really

1579
01:53:41,996 --> 01:53:45,386
spoken about that but there's a deadline after that part

1580
01:53:45,386 --> 01:53:48,246
of the process as well and if they minutes that

1581
01:53:48,246 --> 01:53:50,486
they will miss this rounds at the say that they'll

1582
01:53:50,486 --> 01:53:53,886
never get beds in the future I wouldn't say that

1583
01:53:54,286 --> 01:53:56,826
but it certainly puts it off to the future and

1584
01:53:56,826 --> 01:53:59,976
I don't know again whether anyone from Maanshan wants to

1585
01:53:59,976 --> 01:54:03,376
comment on that but ... so I think there's lots

1586
01:54:03,376 --> 01:54:05,916
of opportunity for us to go out to the community

1587
01:54:05,916 --> 01:54:10,106
and get further impact and and hear from them I

1588
01:54:10,106 --> 01:54:12,946
I I understand about that they'll be certain things obviously

1589
01:54:12,946 --> 01:54:16,586
we can't change your for an order it is it

1590
01:54:16,586 --> 01:54:19,426
is approved but there's certain things we can take into

1591
01:54:19,426 --> 01:54:23,686
consideration and work with Maanshan as they happen we've seen

1592
01:54:23,686 --> 01:54:26,956
this demonstrated before they tried to do that in in

1593
01:54:26,956 --> 01:54:30,646
other projects work with the surrounding not a community obviously

1594
01:54:30,926 --> 01:54:33,136
they have to get things done they have to build

1595
01:54:33,136 --> 01:54:36,336
an LTC building and the other building but they do

1596
01:54:36,336 --> 01:54:39,156
work with the community as well

1597
01:54:39,156 --> 01:54:42,156
so I think those are the 3 drivers

1598
01:54:42,156 --> 01:54:45,376
and I support the application I think ... we have

1599
01:54:45,376 --> 01:54:47,976
the desperate need for a long term care especially ones

1600
01:54:47,976 --> 01:54:50,036
are not private

1601
01:54:50,036 --> 01:54:52,286
can you please send a copy of the presentation as

1602
01:54:52,286 --> 01:54:55,406
well I think yeah thank you had some interesting stats

1603
01:54:55,406 --> 01:54:57,956
in there so if you can forward that to the

1604
01:54:57,956 --> 01:55:02,076
clerk so we can get a copy would be appreciated

1605
01:55:02,076 --> 01:55:05,746
councillor Holtzman

1606
01:55:05,746 --> 01:55:09,516
Stephanie along the did you want to say something

1607
01:55:09,516 --> 01:55:15,056
then council whose

1608
01:55:15,056 --> 01:55:17,136
on your

1609
01:55:17,136 --> 01:55:21,156
thank you thank you Mr chair R. thanks Mr Mayor

1610
01:55:21,266 --> 01:55:24,426
... forwarding that comp that part of the comments beach

1611
01:55:24,566 --> 01:55:26,856
we have not addressed

1612
01:55:26,856 --> 01:55:31,866
... obviously through the discussions of impact is very clearly

1613
01:55:31,866 --> 01:55:34,516
seen that the support from the scene of a Markham

1614
01:55:35,156 --> 01:55:40,406
is critical critical to the Ms it'll close S.

1615
01:55:40,406 --> 01:55:44,466
bank going should be Ms that'll process is the likelihood

1616
01:55:44,466 --> 01:55:47,016
that we get the right zoning if the items are

1617
01:55:47,016 --> 01:55:50,756
those of who's been that with this

1618
01:55:50,756 --> 01:55:54,416
let me expedite our application with the ministry of long

1619
01:55:54,416 --> 01:55:55,776
term care

1620
01:55:55,776 --> 01:55:58,806
this from time to time there were already mentioned facts

1621
01:55:59,416 --> 01:56:03,096
up by giving licenses to and our buildings the operator

1622
01:56:03,526 --> 01:56:08,096
one of the very important consideration is the operator has

1623
01:56:08,096 --> 01:56:11,666
to get the land with right zoning

1624
01:56:11,666 --> 01:56:15,406
so imagine that the process let's say everything is approved

1625
01:56:15,406 --> 01:56:19,166
today and we have licenses today you have to go

1626
01:56:19,166 --> 01:56:23,126
through site plan application we have to go through everything

1627
01:56:23,656 --> 01:56:26,416
before we can actually stop build

1628
01:56:26,416 --> 01:56:30,036
using our store real long term care the new facility

1629
01:56:30,036 --> 01:56:31,836
is an example

1630
01:56:31,836 --> 01:56:37,276
it takes us two years to complete the construction and

1631
01:56:37,276 --> 01:56:42,546
that is like really fast track construction process not not

1632
01:56:42,546 --> 01:56:44,846
too many people can do that

1633
01:56:44,846 --> 01:56:48,116
and even taken into account all these where you can

1634
01:56:48,116 --> 01:56:52,846
easily imagine when that new long term care facility can

1635
01:56:52,846 --> 01:56:55,926
be made available in the city of Markham in a

1636
01:56:55,926 --> 01:56:59,756
location which is very good for everybody good for the

1637
01:56:59,756 --> 01:57:03,306
families to visit their loved ones and together with that

1638
01:57:03,336 --> 01:57:08,146
senior campus that actually can be for the needs of

1639
01:57:08,696 --> 01:57:13,676
the more intensive care for the seniors I believe in

1640
01:57:13,676 --> 01:57:18,256
the healthy happy environment and that actually helped the community

1641
01:57:18,256 --> 01:57:19,826
a lot

1642
01:57:19,826 --> 01:57:24,016
that is what Marshall is there for serving the community

1643
01:57:24,046 --> 01:57:27,836
and that these we work towards a hundred percent of

1644
01:57:27,836 --> 01:57:33,406
our resources and also everything our investments are resources including

1645
01:57:33,406 --> 01:57:37,066
people we are working to a hundred percent to make

1646
01:57:37,066 --> 01:57:45,266
this project are reasonable and break this arm in reality

1647
01:57:45,266 --> 01:57:48,296
thank you Mr chair you

1648
01:57:48,296 --> 01:57:51,506
thank you Stephanie next council whose

1649
01:57:51,506 --> 01:57:54,846
thank you Mr chair I'll just make my comments very

1650
01:57:54,846 --> 01:57:57,706
briefly because I think ... quite a bit has been

1651
01:57:57,706 --> 01:57:59,896
said so

1652
01:57:59,896 --> 01:58:01,346
to start I'm going to tell you that I am

1653
01:58:01,346 --> 01:58:05,776
in support of this application because I know I'm trying

1654
01:58:05,776 --> 01:58:09,836
as been working ... in other years ... and I

1655
01:58:09,836 --> 01:58:12,076
think it's just that we're lucky that we're gonna be

1656
01:58:12,076 --> 01:58:16,796
having this long term care facility and when I heard

1657
01:58:16,796 --> 01:58:19,226
that they also want to have a training center there

1658
01:58:19,506 --> 01:58:23,456
for the PS W's I think that is fantastic because

1659
01:58:23,986 --> 01:58:26,896
to me those are some things that we needed mark

1660
01:58:27,566 --> 01:58:32,276
there's a big need for the seniors of Markham

1661
01:58:32,276 --> 01:58:36,906
especially ... because of the the pressure that is zero

1662
01:58:36,906 --> 01:58:40,936
nine long term care I think this is fantastic and

1663
01:58:40,936 --> 01:58:43,136
it would not be a perfect location than what it

1664
01:58:43,136 --> 01:58:46,206
is here by the way I live alone again so

1665
01:58:46,206 --> 01:58:51,256
I know exactly what it is so ... and we

1666
01:58:51,256 --> 01:58:53,856
did it is and I'll tell you something even though

1667
01:58:53,856 --> 01:58:57,956
existing debt is for employment use only but I also

1668
01:58:57,956 --> 01:59:00,746
it may not be the perfect employment what does this

1669
01:59:00,746 --> 01:59:05,446
does have employment of people that will be working for

1670
01:59:05,476 --> 01:59:07,986
for the long term get it set up so does

1671
01:59:07,986 --> 01:59:10,096
have that and you know and I like that we

1672
01:59:10,096 --> 01:59:12,966
have more the man made it very simply that it

1673
01:59:12,966 --> 01:59:15,636
would be the real house goes in there I think

1674
01:59:15,726 --> 01:59:18,676
this is what the I wouldn't wanna warehouse in my

1675
01:59:18,676 --> 01:59:23,066
neighborhood so I personally believe that get all the issues

1676
01:59:23,066 --> 01:59:26,956
that we have talked about since morning they're only does

1677
01:59:26,956 --> 01:59:30,896
me that this is a perfect location where this ...

1678
01:59:31,466 --> 01:59:35,166
you should location communities in DC should be going and

1679
01:59:35,166 --> 01:59:38,496
I'm gonna fully support it so the motion as already

1680
01:59:38,496 --> 01:59:42,006
being made and seconded and so I'm going to support

1681
01:59:42,006 --> 01:59:45,986
this ... ... when it comes to what he might

1682
01:59:45,986 --> 01:59:50,356
each account certainly

1683
01:59:50,356 --> 01:59:51,986
I'm beautifully

1684
01:59:51,986 --> 01:59:56,626
... thank you Mr chair yeah I support among shown

1685
01:59:56,696 --> 02:00:01,316
that M. zero application at thirty six apple creek well

1686
02:00:01,316 --> 02:00:05,026
I have in depth knowledge on what long Chantiers undisclosed

1687
02:00:05,026 --> 02:00:08,456
site facility in Markham and Scarborough

1688
02:00:08,456 --> 02:00:13,286
I had an opportunity to visit both locations numerous times

1689
02:00:13,656 --> 02:00:16,776
in the last ten years as a member of council

1690
02:00:16,776 --> 02:00:21,406
and I am immensely impressed with the lifestyle enjoy but

1691
02:00:21,406 --> 02:00:23,776
the resident who lifted

1692
02:00:23,776 --> 02:00:26,716
I know the urgency for the neat off long term

1693
02:00:26,716 --> 02:00:28,836
care

1694
02:00:28,836 --> 02:00:33,236
before slowly for always senior in the city of mock

1695
02:00:33,236 --> 02:00:37,286
I remember not long ago I try to apply for

1696
02:00:37,286 --> 02:00:40,896
support for my dying mother in law at the motion

1697
02:00:40,896 --> 02:00:43,876
on Scarborough and Markham site

1698
02:00:43,876 --> 02:00:48,656
she had dementia and language communication issue it would be

1699
02:00:48,656 --> 02:00:52,726
greatly appreciated to live in a culture environment that sort

1700
02:00:52,726 --> 02:00:53,866
of the

1701
02:00:53,866 --> 02:00:59,886
but unfortunately the waiting time what simply unbearable

1702
02:00:59,886 --> 02:01:03,146
and he and she died two years ago it puts

1703
02:01:03,146 --> 02:01:06,686
you can really realize a dream

1704
02:01:06,686 --> 02:01:09,546
so having gone to

1705
02:01:09,546 --> 02:01:12,466
the pain waiting

1706
02:01:12,466 --> 02:01:17,786
I can wholeheartedly support this application thank you

1707
02:01:17,786 --> 02:01:21,556
regional cancer he

1708
02:01:21,556 --> 02:01:26,406
I'm thank you Mr chair

1709
02:01:26,406 --> 02:01:29,356
it seems like I I I guess we probably heard

1710
02:01:29,356 --> 02:01:33,436
from ... ... three quarters of council we haven't heard

1711
02:01:33,436 --> 02:01:36,736
from all of you for for three quarters and ...

1712
02:01:36,836 --> 02:01:41,756
... everybody including me ... has nothing to say except

1713
02:01:41,756 --> 02:01:46,646
really good things about mantra and the need ... and

1714
02:01:46,646 --> 02:01:50,436
... at this specific needs for long term care are

1715
02:01:50,436 --> 02:01:53,636
and the work they've done ... and I go back

1716
02:01:53,636 --> 02:01:56,486
to my ... working with team over the many years

1717
02:01:56,816 --> 02:02:01,056
... as well as our first meeting mon Sharman back

1718
02:02:01,056 --> 02:02:06,966
in the nineteen eighties um in their downtown area ...

1719
02:02:07,016 --> 02:02:10,596
and so ... I think that to ... ... they

1720
02:02:10,596 --> 02:02:14,056
brought the right application to is that centre but I

1721
02:02:14,056 --> 02:02:17,626
would like to move it an additional clause ... which

1722
02:02:17,626 --> 02:02:21,656
... ... ... works towards what I said previously and

1723
02:02:21,656 --> 02:02:24,456
I know where some of the councillors have ever talked

1724
02:02:24,456 --> 02:02:27,956
about it and ... this would be another a closet

1725
02:02:27,986 --> 02:02:31,566
in the ... ... for three or four five I

1726
02:02:31,566 --> 02:02:34,256
know the mayor talked about a couple things that and

1727
02:02:34,256 --> 02:02:37,406
... those are more site plan but the relationship with

1728
02:02:37,406 --> 02:02:41,026
the windows is important for the residents ... to the

1729
02:02:41,056 --> 02:02:45,486
east I don't with somewhat similar ... when I was

1730
02:02:45,486 --> 02:02:49,516
local councillor over on sixteenth Avenue when a ... seniors

1731
02:02:49,516 --> 02:02:52,726
of facility was being built ... and the distance a

1732
02:02:52,726 --> 02:02:57,166
little shorter like eighty meters or so and but people

1733
02:02:57,166 --> 02:03:00,606
did ask about the ... the higher floors looking into

1734
02:03:00,606 --> 02:03:03,676
the backyards each center and it may be that when

1735
02:03:03,676 --> 02:03:05,616
we get the site plan we may want to talk

1736
02:03:05,616 --> 02:03:08,686
about with Americans a reduced because I think it's important

1737
02:03:08,796 --> 02:03:12,426
but also may only apply for a Dutch third floor

1738
02:03:12,426 --> 02:03:16,256
and not ... Hey this Matt this release the site

1739
02:03:16,256 --> 02:03:19,826
plan so there is the additional cost would be that

1740
02:03:19,826 --> 02:03:23,476
the recommendations go to a special council meeting next week

1741
02:03:23,756 --> 02:03:26,336
... after four after the holding

1742
02:03:26,336 --> 02:03:30,596
of the committee information meeting in the intro ... I'm

1743
02:03:30,596 --> 02:03:34,986
very I acknowledge that ... ... ... Maanshan has got

1744
02:03:35,016 --> 02:03:38,976
a ... significant deadline we want them to meet the

1745
02:03:38,976 --> 02:03:43,956
deadline I think that the ... the ministry is going

1746
02:03:43,956 --> 02:03:48,606
to say having issue the letter only last week are

1747
02:03:48,606 --> 02:03:51,416
the Ministry is is ... going to say you didn't

1748
02:03:51,416 --> 02:03:55,746
respond fast enough if we don't respond ... in five

1749
02:03:55,746 --> 02:03:59,166
or six days rather than in a um thirteen or

1750
02:03:59,166 --> 02:04:01,996
fourteen days you know what I mean twelve or thirteen

1751
02:04:01,996 --> 02:04:04,946
or fourteen days whatever the length would be ... I

1752
02:04:04,946 --> 02:04:09,046
would presume that this special council meeting with the whole

1753
02:04:09,046 --> 02:04:13,536
double ... within the probably a day ... of ...

1754
02:04:13,566 --> 02:04:16,876
unfolding the community there could be a few things come

1755
02:04:16,876 --> 02:04:19,706
up with the community ... we know that when we

1756
02:04:19,706 --> 02:04:22,786
hold community meetings one of the things that does come

1757
02:04:22,786 --> 02:04:26,166
up is parking ... and it could be the plaza

1758
02:04:26,166 --> 02:04:30,256
or the business community the employment area they need dust

1759
02:04:30,256 --> 02:04:32,916
related to the south or maybe just to the west

1760
02:04:33,296 --> 02:04:35,516
... may have some issues that that we need to

1761
02:04:35,516 --> 02:04:38,616
think about it parking whether or not we can't that

1762
02:04:38,616 --> 02:04:42,056
giving us in general moving the M. general will ...

1763
02:04:42,056 --> 02:04:45,106
it would just totally incompatible with parking I don't think

1764
02:04:45,106 --> 02:04:49,316
it is ... of the issue about the ... the

1765
02:04:49,316 --> 02:04:53,096
distance and ... making sure there's no overlooking the that

1766
02:04:53,096 --> 02:04:55,756
it may very well come up ... and there are

1767
02:04:55,756 --> 02:04:58,606
ways to members already hinted at the fact that ways

1768
02:04:58,606 --> 02:05:01,696
to do that ... and that's good wage I also

1769
02:05:01,696 --> 02:05:04,426
think to be one more that will lead I certainly

1770
02:05:04,426 --> 02:05:07,406
want to give it some thought anyways and I I

1771
02:05:07,686 --> 02:05:10,226
I I think can be answered the ... the roof

1772
02:05:10,226 --> 02:05:14,236
river valley ... to ensure that to ... that you

1773
02:05:14,236 --> 02:05:17,596
know if there's land that's over the top of bank

1774
02:05:17,596 --> 02:05:19,756
that it intentionally it that would go to the city

1775
02:05:19,756 --> 02:05:23,116
of Markham etcetera so that would be my recommendation that

1776
02:05:23,116 --> 02:05:26,336
the recommendation go to special counsel be next week

1777
02:05:26,336 --> 02:05:29,976
after holding a ... community information in the interim this

1778
02:05:29,976 --> 02:05:33,336
is very important Mr chair for precedent

1779
02:05:33,336 --> 02:05:38,806
this is not just this specific proposal we ought not

1780
02:05:38,986 --> 02:05:42,836
to do things that are significant within communities without consulting

1781
02:05:42,836 --> 02:05:45,596
the community and I think we can find a time

1782
02:05:45,596 --> 02:05:48,876
frame to do it within a week ... that will

1783
02:05:48,876 --> 02:05:52,736
meet with the ministries ... ... requirements are will meet

1784
02:05:52,736 --> 02:05:55,266
the city of Markham we ought to be able to

1785
02:05:55,416 --> 02:05:58,576
hold our head high and say nobody comes to Markham

1786
02:05:58,816 --> 02:06:01,896
and makes proposals and tried to do an end run

1787
02:06:01,926 --> 02:06:06,726
around our planning system ... without consultation and the consultation

1788
02:06:06,726 --> 02:06:08,946
is what's what we do a lot of them very

1789
02:06:08,946 --> 02:06:12,466
well so ... I think that it's important that we

1790
02:06:12,466 --> 02:06:14,786
hold such a meeting I'm hoping there's a second ...

1791
02:06:15,036 --> 02:06:18,356
and I think it meets the requirement for tying up

1792
02:06:18,386 --> 02:06:21,246
and meets the requirement for the city of Markham to

1793
02:06:21,246 --> 02:06:24,176
do justice to applications that come in front of it

1794
02:06:24,326 --> 02:06:27,436
so the public has an opportunity to give input anyway

1795
02:06:27,436 --> 02:06:32,216
so that's my my recommendation for net ... an amendment

1796
02:06:32,476 --> 02:06:36,106
or a an extra closet is the man that actually

1797
02:06:36,136 --> 02:06:37,696
not

1798
02:06:37,696 --> 02:06:40,606
councillor home I was gonna ask mayors on a friendly

1799
02:06:40,606 --> 02:06:43,306
amendment your motion

1800
02:06:43,306 --> 02:06:47,526
yeah thank you Mr Tripp it seems that you know

1801
02:06:47,816 --> 02:06:52,136
this application has ... the majority support if not you

1802
02:06:52,136 --> 02:06:57,396
know unanimous ... by ... console I wonder if we

1803
02:06:57,396 --> 02:07:01,876
can move you know ... you know application to tomorrow's

1804
02:07:01,876 --> 02:07:05,916
council meeting because you know they they really need time

1805
02:07:05,916 --> 02:07:08,616
and also time is running short and it but you

1806
02:07:08,616 --> 02:07:10,996
know we have had you know ... more than two

1807
02:07:10,996 --> 02:07:15,406
hours discussion are already and ... everybody understand you know

1808
02:07:15,406 --> 02:07:18,746
the situation so well and also you know

1809
02:07:18,746 --> 02:07:24,726
have has expressed their full support so ... it could

1810
02:07:24,726 --> 02:07:28,466
be done to move it to to most council meeting

1811
02:07:28,466 --> 02:07:30,496
okay well the question would be how do you hold

1812
02:07:30,496 --> 02:07:33,276
a community meeting between now and that

1813
02:07:33,276 --> 02:07:37,426
I'll talk about this application I don't think you know

1814
02:07:37,426 --> 02:07:40,536
public meeting will be an issue you know ... all

1815
02:07:40,536 --> 02:07:44,376
of this application because note he was not required you

1816
02:07:44,376 --> 02:07:47,466
know cost unless you know we changed some summer did

1817
02:07:47,466 --> 02:07:50,826
a procedure by law to have probably be taking a

1818
02:07:50,826 --> 02:07:55,486
full you know all applications ... ... two and that

1819
02:07:55,486 --> 02:07:58,536
... that kind of thing and so is not free

1820
02:07:58,536 --> 02:08:00,736
and you know to the application know what to our

1821
02:08:00,736 --> 02:08:03,916
stock either so I don't think you know ... and

1822
02:08:03,916 --> 02:08:07,346
the public we take would be at least on this

1823
02:08:07,376 --> 02:08:10,746
application also I I first of all I wanna know

1824
02:08:10,746 --> 02:08:13,276
if there's a second ... ... I had heard there

1825
02:08:13,276 --> 02:08:17,726
would be ... ... councillor recount fine or or the

1826
02:08:17,726 --> 02:08:20,296
Deputy Mayor what hatch which have both talk to this

1827
02:08:20,296 --> 02:08:23,186
matter ... and ... I'd like to get on the

1828
02:08:23,186 --> 02:08:26,606
floor so that that the opportunity are is for council

1829
02:08:26,606 --> 02:08:32,816
to vote on the matter this is our second year

1830
02:08:32,816 --> 02:08:36,336
I can't nobody can get there might unlike general committee

1831
02:08:36,336 --> 02:08:41,096
and development services second was councillor McAlpine

1832
02:08:41,096 --> 02:08:43,666
R. O. sorry my mistake well then it is on

1833
02:08:43,666 --> 02:08:46,656
the floor I don't think ... Mister chair that ...

1834
02:08:46,936 --> 02:08:50,136
that ... this is a matter of of ... not

1835
02:08:50,136 --> 02:08:54,586
making that deadline ... remember there are two councillors myself

1836
02:08:54,586 --> 02:08:57,396
and councillor ray who said he only found out about

1837
02:08:57,396 --> 02:09:00,816
this on the weekend I read it Sunday morning ...

1838
02:09:00,816 --> 02:09:05,316
and ... and so basically in because of the deadline

1839
02:09:05,316 --> 02:09:08,446
which I had no knowledge of I didn't know about

1840
02:09:08,446 --> 02:09:12,146
it I still didn't until today know about the knowledge

1841
02:09:12,456 --> 02:09:14,896
that we are basically saying we shouldn't consult with our

1842
02:09:14,896 --> 02:09:19,266
public we're basically going against the the very purpose of

1843
02:09:19,266 --> 02:09:23,816
the development service in the planning system public information public

1844
02:09:23,846 --> 02:09:26,986
input and hear what they have to say I can't

1845
02:09:26,986 --> 02:09:30,116
think of anything more important than that I can't think

1846
02:09:30,116 --> 02:09:32,636
of anything at a higher level of what we should

1847
02:09:32,636 --> 02:09:36,096
be doing as a council then consulting with the public

1848
02:09:36,096 --> 02:09:38,466
and saying you like this and I bet you they

1849
02:09:38,466 --> 02:09:41,186
do like it like our council does but I can't

1850
02:09:41,186 --> 02:09:44,276
prove that and neither can anybody else it looks also

1851
02:09:44,276 --> 02:09:48,336
repeat I'm asking Americans deserve that much because you had

1852
02:09:48,336 --> 02:09:52,106
suggested nationally ministers to council tomorrow

1853
02:09:52,106 --> 02:09:55,446
and this Mister chair ... the way it's worded right

1854
02:09:55,446 --> 02:09:58,276
now it would have to be ... an amendment that

1855
02:09:58,276 --> 02:10:02,786
smoked and seconded and ... I would just say that

1856
02:10:02,786 --> 02:10:06,336
I'd like to go to moral ... again I have

1857
02:10:06,336 --> 02:10:11,526
no problem with public consultation R. I think to to

1858
02:10:11,526 --> 02:10:17,106
do something like that at this point might actually ...

1859
02:10:17,106 --> 02:10:19,216
and I know this is not the intent but I

1860
02:10:19,216 --> 02:10:21,736
actually might mislead the public

1861
02:10:21,736 --> 02:10:24,976
because they think were in control of items at all

1862
02:10:25,516 --> 02:10:28,616
... I think that that we're not and and I'd

1863
02:10:28,616 --> 02:10:31,766
like to again ... I'd like to get our comments

1864
02:10:31,796 --> 02:10:36,546
into the province and if there's more time it's it's

1865
02:10:36,546 --> 02:10:39,776
we hear that that there's more time well then now

1866
02:10:39,776 --> 02:10:42,326
we can always get more comments ... to the province

1867
02:10:42,326 --> 02:10:45,486
something stops us from providing further comment I'm not against

1868
02:10:45,856 --> 02:10:49,686
having a public information meeting I just think you know

1869
02:10:49,686 --> 02:10:52,986
to try to characterize of the bet that we hold

1870
02:10:52,986 --> 02:10:56,446
this and and somehow this is you know again I

1871
02:10:56,446 --> 02:10:59,806
think it's indicative of the process I'm not going to

1872
02:10:59,806 --> 02:11:02,836
repeat what I said earlier I think unfortunately some of

1873
02:11:02,836 --> 02:11:05,896
these things are indicative of the process that needs fixing

1874
02:11:06,366 --> 02:11:10,726
... and I know from my perspective ... whether it's

1875
02:11:10,726 --> 02:11:13,366
this one or any other one I think we have

1876
02:11:13,366 --> 02:11:17,526
an opportunity to comment we don't control the levers Mister

1877
02:11:17,526 --> 02:11:21,526
chair but let's be clear about that so when we

1878
02:11:21,526 --> 02:11:25,736
have an opportunity to comment and to perhaps influence the

1879
02:11:25,736 --> 02:11:27,206
process

1880
02:11:27,206 --> 02:11:30,426
we should do it that doesn't mean we can't send

1881
02:11:30,506 --> 02:11:34,126
other comments down if if it's been six weeks the

1882
02:11:34,126 --> 02:11:37,806
province is not approved then M. zero nothing stops us

1883
02:11:37,806 --> 02:11:41,436
from saying a further to our our our comments are

1884
02:11:41,436 --> 02:11:45,896
further to our resolution here's something else ... but if

1885
02:11:45,976 --> 02:11:49,176
it's an unknown if it is then I'd like some

1886
02:11:49,176 --> 02:11:52,646
comments to go down and ... and at least they

1887
02:11:52,646 --> 02:11:56,576
get incorporated hopefully we'll keep our fingers crossed because there

1888
02:11:56,576 --> 02:11:59,266
may be aspects here I don't know that the province

1889
02:11:59,266 --> 02:12:02,816
may not necessarily agree to but at least we put

1890
02:12:02,816 --> 02:12:06,596
it on the record and so if the resolution gets

1891
02:12:06,596 --> 02:12:10,346
worded that we hold a public information meeting

1892
02:12:10,346 --> 02:12:13,026
it in the near future I don't have a problem

1893
02:12:13,026 --> 02:12:15,786
with that ... but not getting any comments to the

1894
02:12:15,786 --> 02:12:20,826
problems I think ... really leaves us vulnerable even more

1895
02:12:20,826 --> 02:12:25,506
perhaps than people may feel we're vulnerable already ... because

1896
02:12:25,536 --> 02:12:27,836
we need more time to get them let's get some

1897
02:12:27,836 --> 02:12:30,616
comments down there and then we can always add more

1898
02:12:30,616 --> 02:12:33,166
to it if we have the luxury of getting more

1899
02:12:33,166 --> 02:12:36,066
down now and I hope I've made that clear I

1900
02:12:36,066 --> 02:12:38,476
haven't let's just vote on the amendment but I can't

1901
02:12:38,476 --> 02:12:42,226
support the way it's worded now

1902
02:12:42,226 --> 02:12:45,256
thank you is Mr each of the house or eight

1903
02:12:45,676 --> 02:12:48,256
well Mr chair

1904
02:12:48,256 --> 02:12:52,596
I I don't think I can't imagine that the problems

1905
02:12:52,596 --> 02:12:56,266
who issued a letter to us on the on not

1906
02:12:56,686 --> 02:12:59,896
one which is the fifth ... or the second of

1907
02:12:59,896 --> 02:13:06,086
February six days ago ... ... requires an answer on

1908
02:13:06,086 --> 02:13:10,826
the night one week later our and cannot have an

1909
02:13:10,826 --> 02:13:14,746
answer two weeks later ... I I I just find

1910
02:13:14,746 --> 02:13:19,336
that it's preposterous and it is I mean it's something

1911
02:13:19,336 --> 02:13:22,316
that we should be defending it's not something we should

1912
02:13:22,316 --> 02:13:24,876
be because this is the most important decision of what

1913
02:13:24,876 --> 02:13:28,136
we're doing we're putting it off the saying okay if

1914
02:13:28,136 --> 02:13:31,436
there's official plan there's no proposal for official plan amendment

1915
02:13:31,436 --> 02:13:36,616
therefore required about putting it often ineffective site plan ...

1916
02:13:36,646 --> 02:13:39,656
really basically says that all we want to do is

1917
02:13:39,656 --> 02:13:42,346
we want to decide whether it's the ... that's got

1918
02:13:42,346 --> 02:13:45,706
six or seven floors and whether their windows and I

1919
02:13:45,706 --> 02:13:48,396
really agree with the mayor on that matter ... windows

1920
02:13:48,396 --> 02:13:52,386
facing east on the southern on Monday yeah the southern

1921
02:13:52,386 --> 02:13:55,636
building ... and you know it and we could talk

1922
02:13:55,636 --> 02:13:57,756
about that one all those kinds of things that's all

1923
02:13:57,756 --> 02:14:00,916
we have to do with it I would planning anymore

1924
02:14:00,916 --> 02:14:03,516
I mean we have to right now I asked Stephen

1925
02:14:03,786 --> 02:14:06,306
I don't know if you can hear us ... but

1926
02:14:06,306 --> 02:14:08,696
that Stephen I must say that you're in a perfect

1927
02:14:08,696 --> 02:14:11,976
position as a if you were politicians and that is

1928
02:14:11,976 --> 02:14:15,076
we can hear you recently ... we can ... taken

1929
02:14:15,076 --> 02:14:17,886
all that you're saying you're presentations but you can't work

1930
02:14:17,886 --> 02:14:21,656
your work from us H. ... ... which is excellent

1931
02:14:21,656 --> 02:14:25,206
for politician because you just back but not for staff

1932
02:14:25,206 --> 02:14:28,096
we want you to be able to hear

1933
02:14:28,096 --> 02:14:31,846
okay that being said Mr chair I think we I

1934
02:14:31,846 --> 02:14:33,986
look forward to the vote on this one because this

1935
02:14:33,986 --> 02:14:37,216
one is probably one of the most important votes we've

1936
02:14:37,216 --> 02:14:41,156
had in years we're trying to find a way to

1937
02:14:41,156 --> 02:14:45,016
meet the requirements of the province as quickly as we

1938
02:14:45,016 --> 02:14:50,476
can but we're also defending the Markham's position should consult

1939
02:14:50,506 --> 02:14:54,736
our residents before we make important decisions and this is

1940
02:14:54,736 --> 02:14:58,516
an important decision it decides that this is going there

1941
02:14:58,806 --> 02:15:01,796
I support it every member of council instead they supported

1942
02:15:02,086 --> 02:15:05,376
but the consultation should be first not after we make

1943
02:15:05,376 --> 02:15:08,106
the decision of ... so anyways we it's on the

1944
02:15:08,106 --> 02:15:11,616
floor thank you

1945
02:15:11,616 --> 02:15:13,976
call the question

1946
02:15:13,976 --> 02:15:18,406
all in favor of demand

1947
02:15:18,406 --> 02:15:22,176
123

1948
02:15:22,176 --> 02:15:23,796
for

1949
02:15:23,796 --> 02:15:27,616
a post

1950
02:15:27,616 --> 02:15:32,236
one two three maybe just to roll call yes I

1951
02:15:32,236 --> 02:15:37,896
can't

1952
02:15:37,896 --> 02:15:39,016
6

1953
02:15:39,016 --> 02:15:50,096
thank you your local

1954
02:16:08,566 --> 02:16:10,866
the question is are you in favor of the amendment

1955
02:16:10,866 --> 02:16:13,086
or not

1956
02:16:13,086 --> 02:16:16,806
January

1957
02:16:16,806 --> 02:16:18,546
Mr

1958
02:16:18,546 --> 02:16:21,256
Mr chairman is the reason why we can't on your

1959
02:16:21,256 --> 02:16:25,686
own microphone I can't hear you

1960
02:16:25,686 --> 02:16:33,076
is there a reason why we cannot

1961
02:16:33,076 --> 02:16:35,496
are you in favor of the amendment

1962
02:16:35,496 --> 02:16:40,896
no okay next

1963
02:16:40,896 --> 02:16:43,676
councillor oh no

1964
02:16:43,676 --> 02:16:45,826
councillor McAlpine

1965
02:16:45,826 --> 02:16:47,076
yes

1966
02:16:47,076 --> 02:16:53,846
councillor right

1967
02:16:53,846 --> 02:16:56,336
they start with to check my put out S. on

1968
02:16:56,336 --> 02:16:59,906
to the amendment is to have a community caught community

1969
02:16:59,906 --> 02:17:02,736
meetings and have a special council meeting next week that's

1970
02:17:02,736 --> 02:17:05,936
correct yes so I support that

1971
02:17:05,936 --> 02:17:09,826
councillor keys

1972
02:17:09,826 --> 02:17:13,166
we cannot know

1973
02:17:13,166 --> 02:17:16,026
councillor Collucci

1974
02:17:16,026 --> 02:17:24,656
you're not

1975
02:17:24,656 --> 02:17:28,576
all

1976
02:17:28,576 --> 02:17:31,726
I want

1977
02:17:31,726 --> 02:17:38,426
you know councillor whose mind

1978
02:17:38,426 --> 02:17:39,796
no

1979
02:17:39,796 --> 02:17:46,016
councillor late

1980
02:17:46,016 --> 02:17:48,546
now

1981
02:17:48,546 --> 02:17:50,736
councillor

1982
02:17:50,736 --> 02:17:56,216
their stupidity

1983
02:17:56,216 --> 02:18:00,116
the way it's worded in the future sorry

1984
02:18:00,116 --> 02:18:09,186
your animal feed

1985
02:18:09,186 --> 02:18:12,396
you should let me on mute educationists Austin

1986
02:18:12,396 --> 02:18:14,466
that's not

1987
02:18:14,466 --> 02:18:20,916
no I can't I just on mute them automatically

1988
02:18:20,916 --> 02:18:22,726
yeah

1989
02:18:22,726 --> 02:18:31,296
okay councillor he regional council he

1990
02:18:31,296 --> 02:18:38,246
yes regional council Lee

1991
02:18:38,246 --> 02:18:40,536
what

1992
02:18:40,536 --> 02:18:42,846
you know

1993
02:18:42,846 --> 02:18:44,396
no

1994
02:18:44,396 --> 02:18:55,236
councillor regional cancer Jones is no

1995
02:18:55,236 --> 02:19:00,166
she defeated now the motions on the floor of

1996
02:19:00,166 --> 02:19:03,456
they're scripted in second by councillor

1997
02:19:03,456 --> 02:19:06,116
hold

1998
02:19:06,116 --> 02:19:10,506
did you wanna speak Mr Mayor

1999
02:19:10,506 --> 02:19:12,956
you know based

2000
02:19:12,956 --> 02:19:17,846
I would ask the student council tomorrow and not

2001
02:19:17,846 --> 02:19:21,176
this is the motion regional council he wants to make

2002
02:19:21,176 --> 02:19:23,576
that ... I don't think we need it as a

2003
02:19:23,576 --> 02:19:28,016
motion I would just ask that work councillor and this

2004
02:19:28,016 --> 02:19:31,476
is comments the problem with the work councillor and not

2005
02:19:31,476 --> 02:19:36,696
launching poster community information meeting thanks for reading I think

2006
02:19:36,786 --> 02:19:39,796
we are on the work councillor he's happy to do

2007
02:19:39,796 --> 02:19:43,656
that it was just time it ends meet to our

2008
02:19:43,886 --> 02:19:47,486
council meeting which again we've got more comments our rate

2009
02:19:47,806 --> 02:19:50,946
let me see got some comments so long as the

2010
02:19:50,986 --> 02:19:56,286
wording is captured with schools council moral

2011
02:19:56,286 --> 02:19:57,566
any

2012
02:19:57,566 --> 02:20:03,156
all in favor of yeah thank you no Sir all

2013
02:20:03,156 --> 02:20:05,796
so it will be brought to to most consummate take

2014
02:20:05,826 --> 02:20:08,986
and also you know public meeting will be held up

2015
02:20:08,986 --> 02:20:12,286
to it thank you thank

2016
02:20:12,286 --> 02:20:13,636
all in

2017
02:20:13,636 --> 02:20:18,496
of the motion

2018
02:20:18,496 --> 02:20:21,206
opposed

2019
02:20:21,206 --> 02:20:24,516
the C. nobody carried no no I'm opposed to your

2020
02:20:24,516 --> 02:20:28,746
post okay yes Mr Mr Turner I'm very much in

2021
02:20:28,746 --> 02:20:32,616
favor but we're setting precedent here and it's gonna come

2022
02:20:32,616 --> 02:20:35,366
back to us so I'm opposed right now we'll deal

2023
02:20:35,366 --> 02:20:36,776
with it tomorrow

2024
02:20:36,776 --> 02:20:39,626
okay

2025
02:20:39,626 --> 02:20:42,906
anyway that's the motion is carried

2026
02:20:42,906 --> 02:20:45,076
what I'm gonna suggest is we take a five minute

2027
02:20:45,076 --> 02:20:47,706
break and then we're going to take on the next

2028
02:20:48,056 --> 02:20:50,186
Ms adults

2029
02:20:50,186 --> 02:20:53,356
should be back to work with you

2030
02:20:53,356 --> 02:21:04,286
for the 12

2031
02:31:33,256 --> 02:31:40,756
yes

2032
02:31:40,756 --> 02:31:45,286
I'd like to reconvene the meeting

2033
02:31:45,286 --> 02:31:49,536
you can hear me

2034
02:31:49,536 --> 02:31:55,286
this is just you hear me Jack

2035
02:31:55,286 --> 02:31:56,656
yes

2036
02:31:56,656 --> 02:32:01,566
okay so 6 to 7.2

2037
02:32:01,566 --> 02:32:06,276
I have one two three four five six seven I

2038
02:32:06,276 --> 02:32:10,886
have some opening date okay city of Markham's comments to

2039
02:32:10,886 --> 02:32:14,496
the province on the ministers zoning order request by flat

2040
02:32:14,496 --> 02:32:19,016
on developments in to prevent residential development on lands that

2041
02:32:19,406 --> 02:32:24,316
fifty four seventy four and fifty six sixty to nineteen

2042
02:32:24,316 --> 02:32:26,516
th Avenue

2043
02:32:26,516 --> 02:32:29,836
Mr commissioner do wanna kick this off please thank you

2044
02:32:29,836 --> 02:32:32,466
Mr chairman for the opportunity

2045
02:32:32,466 --> 02:32:35,336
having someone tell you has requested the city of Markham

2046
02:32:35,336 --> 02:32:40,026
to provide comments on a proposed ministers owning order

2047
02:32:40,026 --> 02:32:44,926
and that has been requested by flat developments incorporated

2048
02:32:44,926 --> 02:32:48,776
to permit residential developments on lands at fifty four seventy

2049
02:32:48,776 --> 02:32:50,086
four

2050
02:32:50,086 --> 02:32:54,296
and 5660 to 19 th Avenue

2051
02:32:54,296 --> 02:32:57,686
the proposal Mr chairman is to permit three hundred and

2052
02:32:57,686 --> 02:33:01,876
twenty five to four hundred and eighty five single detached

2053
02:33:01,876 --> 02:33:03,296
dwellings

2054
02:33:03,296 --> 02:33:07,286
hundred ninety to three hundred and eighty townhouses and two

2055
02:33:07,286 --> 02:33:11,006
six two eight story apartment buildings with approximately two hundred

2056
02:33:11,006 --> 02:33:14,106
forty two three hundred and twenty units

2057
02:33:14,106 --> 02:33:17,136
general lines the manager pause here to the city of

2058
02:33:17,136 --> 02:33:19,556
Markham he's here with us today

2059
02:33:19,556 --> 02:33:23,406
vied you a brief overview of the presentation and then

2060
02:33:23,406 --> 02:33:28,066
he'll invite representatives from flooded developments Mr chairman thank you

2061
02:33:28,386 --> 02:33:32,536
just like to remind you all that we are leading

2062
02:33:32,536 --> 02:33:36,446
you to be able to mute or unmute yourself okay

2063
02:33:36,546 --> 02:33:39,256
so please leave your

2064
02:33:39,256 --> 02:33:41,976
your microphone on mute do you want

2065
02:33:41,976 --> 02:33:44,306
thank you

2066
02:33:44,306 --> 02:33:51,126
I'm gonna test that Mr thank you for that

2067
02:33:51,126 --> 02:33:54,346
okay good morning or good after that still as good

2068
02:33:54,346 --> 02:33:59,066
morning

2069
02:33:59,066 --> 02:34:01,726
not only 7 minutes

2070
02:34:01,726 --> 02:34:04,646
I will take those 7 minutes Mister chair

2071
02:34:04,646 --> 02:34:07,346
hi good morning my name is generalized ends I am

2072
02:34:07,346 --> 02:34:11,096
the manager of policy in the development services commission today

2073
02:34:11,096 --> 02:34:14,806
I'll be protuberance chin on comments to the province on

2074
02:34:14,806 --> 02:34:17,656
a ministers zoning order by flight or developments a corporate

2075
02:34:17,656 --> 02:34:21,086
it four five four seven four and five six six

2076
02:34:21,086 --> 02:34:26,496
to nineteen th Avenue

2077
02:34:26,496 --> 02:34:29,986
in November twenty twenty flat or developments incorporated wrote to

2078
02:34:29,986 --> 02:34:33,826
the minister of municipal affairs and housing requesting a minister's

2079
02:34:33,826 --> 02:34:36,996
own in order to permit residential development on thirty two

2080
02:34:36,996 --> 02:34:40,326
hectare of land at five four seven four and five

2081
02:34:40,326 --> 02:34:43,226
six six two nineteenth Avenue as you can see on

2082
02:34:43,226 --> 02:34:46,106
the map in front of you it's the two areas

2083
02:34:46,146 --> 02:34:49,106
the two polygons shone in the light blue color ...

2084
02:34:49,106 --> 02:34:52,256
labeled as proposed Ms at a request

2085
02:34:52,256 --> 02:34:56,026
on January fifth twenty twenty one the minister of municipal

2086
02:34:56,026 --> 02:34:59,086
affairs and housing or the Ministry staff sent a letter

2087
02:34:59,086 --> 02:35:02,286
to the city asking for comments from the city on

2088
02:35:02,286 --> 02:35:04,896
this request items that out

2089
02:35:04,896 --> 02:35:07,126
the lands within the fleet ... Ms at a request

2090
02:35:07,126 --> 02:35:11,766
or designated as agricultural area in York region official plan

2091
02:35:11,766 --> 02:35:15,056
the subject lands are also designated countryside and green way

2092
02:35:15,186 --> 02:35:17,336
in the Markham official plan

2093
02:35:17,336 --> 02:35:20,266
the lands are located outside of the city's urban boundary

2094
02:35:20,366 --> 02:35:23,306
and are identified as prime agricultural lands to be used

2095
02:35:23,306 --> 02:35:26,736
for our primarily agricultural uses

2096
02:35:26,736 --> 02:35:30,676
the lands are also within the white belt

2097
02:35:30,676 --> 02:35:33,726
but has some green we features which I'll go into

2098
02:35:33,726 --> 02:35:36,556
a little bit further in the stack

2099
02:35:36,556 --> 02:35:40,716
in both the York region official plan and Markham official

2100
02:35:40,716 --> 02:35:43,656
plan the lands are identified as lands outside of the

2101
02:35:43,656 --> 02:35:47,556
urban area and outside of the greenbelt plan area which

2102
02:35:47,556 --> 02:35:50,406
could potentially be identified for future urban development through a

2103
02:35:50,406 --> 02:35:53,196
future municipal comprehensive review

2104
02:35:53,196 --> 02:35:55,976
this is the second ministers owning order request in Markham

2105
02:35:55,976 --> 02:36:00,666
from Plato developments cooperated the first minister's zoning order which

2106
02:36:00,666 --> 02:36:05,036
I'm outlining here with ... my mouse

2107
02:36:05,036 --> 02:36:08,356
is ... was granted by the minister in April of

2108
02:36:08,356 --> 02:36:12,386
twenty twenty and area regulation of one seventy two slash

2109
02:36:12,386 --> 02:36:16,356
twenty is located adjacent to Dixon help permits three hundred

2110
02:36:16,356 --> 02:36:19,446
and fifty three dwelling units on eight point four hectares

2111
02:36:19,686 --> 02:36:22,566
in which are still an additional one hundred and fifty

2112
02:36:22,566 --> 02:36:25,206
four units on three point five factors within the city

2113
02:36:25,206 --> 02:36:30,856
of Markham

2114
02:36:30,856 --> 02:36:33,206
with respect to ministers owning orders I'm going to go

2115
02:36:33,206 --> 02:36:35,836
over this part a little bit quickly as you had

2116
02:36:35,836 --> 02:36:39,536
a very similar ... overview provided by my colleague Stephen

2117
02:36:39,536 --> 02:36:43,436
later on the last item but he's actually with respect

2118
02:36:43,436 --> 02:36:46,216
to ministers owning orders the planning act allows the minister

2119
02:36:46,216 --> 02:36:49,066
of municipal affairs does owned lands anywhere in the province

2120
02:36:49,066 --> 02:36:52,886
through a ministers owning order ministers owning orders are intended

2121
02:36:52,886 --> 02:36:56,656
to be used to protect our facilitate provincial interests and

2122
02:36:56,656 --> 02:36:59,816
the minister's decision to make a ministers owning order is

2123
02:36:59,816 --> 02:37:03,516
required to be consistent with the provincial policy statement

2124
02:37:03,516 --> 02:37:07,216
minister zoning orders override local official plans and so that

2125
02:37:07,216 --> 02:37:12,006
and zoning bylaws

2126
02:37:12,006 --> 02:37:14,876
more specifically the fleet ... Ms that a request it

2127
02:37:14,876 --> 02:37:17,716
seeks to permit three hundred twenty five to four hundred

2128
02:37:17,716 --> 02:37:21,336
eighty five single detached detached dwellings in R. one zone

2129
02:37:21,896 --> 02:37:25,466
one hundred and ninety to three hundred eighty townhouses in

2130
02:37:25,466 --> 02:37:29,286
R. two zone and to sixty eight story apartment buildings

2131
02:37:29,286 --> 02:37:31,836
of two hundred and forty to three hundred and twenty

2132
02:37:31,836 --> 02:37:35,926
units in our four zone the proposal also seeks various

2133
02:37:35,926 --> 02:37:38,666
exceptions to the R. one R. two and R. four

2134
02:37:38,736 --> 02:37:43,736
four zones more specifically looking at minimum lot frontages of

2135
02:37:43,736 --> 02:37:47,116
eleven point five meters and a lot area of three

2136
02:37:47,116 --> 02:37:49,306
hundred and forty five square meters in the R. one

2137
02:37:49,306 --> 02:37:52,926
zone minimum lot frontage on a lot not access by

2138
02:37:52,926 --> 02:37:56,136
late of six meters and a Max height of twelve

2139
02:37:56,136 --> 02:37:58,396
metres in the R. two zone

2140
02:37:58,396 --> 02:38:02,306
and a minimum your rear yard setback eleven meters and

2141
02:38:02,306 --> 02:38:04,646
a number of apartment dwelling units of between a hundred

2142
02:38:04,646 --> 02:38:07,416
and twenty minimum and five hundred maximum in the R.

2143
02:38:07,416 --> 02:38:09,286
four so

2144
02:38:09,286 --> 02:38:12,316
... with respect to the current zoning the subject lands

2145
02:38:12,316 --> 02:38:16,206
are currently zoned A. one agriculture and our our work

2146
02:38:16,206 --> 02:38:19,776
for which is world residential and zoning bylaw three zero

2147
02:38:19,776 --> 02:38:26,926
four dash eight seven as amended

2148
02:38:26,926 --> 02:38:31,546
with respect to the city staff recommendations essentially recommendation one

2149
02:38:31,626 --> 02:38:34,006
is that the city of Markham not support the ministers

2150
02:38:34,006 --> 02:38:36,916
owning order request by fleet ... developments a corporation for

2151
02:38:36,916 --> 02:38:39,606
the lands at five four seven four and five six

2152
02:38:39,606 --> 02:38:42,416
six to nineteen th Avenue and the requested urban boundary

2153
02:38:42,416 --> 02:38:46,616
expansion be considered instead through the York region's current municipal

2154
02:38:46,616 --> 02:38:51,286
comprehensive review process York region is currently undertaking an official

2155
02:38:51,286 --> 02:38:55,236
plan review through a municipal comprehensive review process to address

2156
02:38:55,236 --> 02:38:58,216
land needs to the year twenty fifty one

2157
02:38:58,216 --> 02:39:00,706
the York region official plan in the market official plan

2158
02:39:00,706 --> 02:39:04,456
currently designates land needs to twenty thirty one

2159
02:39:04,456 --> 02:39:08,016
as part of the municipal comprehensive review process York region

2160
02:39:08,016 --> 02:39:10,846
is completing a land needs assessment to inform land use

2161
02:39:10,846 --> 02:39:15,466
needs and allocate population and employment growth to area municipalities

2162
02:39:15,466 --> 02:39:17,796
to twenty fifty one

2163
02:39:17,796 --> 02:39:21,436
the land needs assessment will apply a region wide approach

2164
02:39:21,436 --> 02:39:24,186
to determine how much growth can be accommodated within the

2165
02:39:24,186 --> 02:39:28,826
current urban boundary and how much additional land if any

2166
02:39:29,116 --> 02:39:32,396
is needed through urban boundary expansions

2167
02:39:32,396 --> 02:39:34,886
the land needs assessment is expected to be released in

2168
02:39:34,886 --> 02:39:38,016
the coming months and will identify the need in appropriate

2169
02:39:38,016 --> 02:39:41,826
locations for any required urban boundary expansions in Markham or

2170
02:39:41,826 --> 02:39:44,676
elsewhere in the region to twenty fifty one

2171
02:39:44,676 --> 02:39:47,266
once the draft plan needs assessment and forecast for Markham

2172
02:39:47,266 --> 02:39:50,916
is released marking council will consider the implications of the

2173
02:39:50,916 --> 02:39:53,876
forecast on a city wide basis

2174
02:39:53,876 --> 02:39:57,936
the region's municipal comprehensive review process and local planning processes

2175
02:39:57,936 --> 02:40:02,396
to comprehensively insured alignment between land use fiscal and infrastructure

2176
02:40:02,396 --> 02:40:05,726
planning and to ensure that growth is appropriately directed and

2177
02:40:05,726 --> 02:40:09,036
faced across the region and city respectively

2178
02:40:09,036 --> 02:40:11,566
as the later ones that ... request lands are located

2179
02:40:11,566 --> 02:40:14,806
outside of the urban boundary and council is not yet

2180
02:40:14,806 --> 02:40:18,036
considered how growth to twenty fifty one should be directed

2181
02:40:18,206 --> 02:40:20,616
city staff is of the opinion that this request is

2182
02:40:20,616 --> 02:40:24,906
premature pending completion of the York region's municipal comprehensive review

2183
02:40:24,906 --> 02:40:28,616
process and recommends that the city does not support the

2184
02:40:28,616 --> 02:40:30,876
sense that ... request

2185
02:40:30,876 --> 02:40:34,286
city staff recommends that the requested urban boundary expansion therefore

2186
02:40:34,286 --> 02:40:37,696
be considered instead through the York region MCR process and

2187
02:40:37,696 --> 02:40:41,326
local planning process

2188
02:40:41,326 --> 02:40:44,636
the second recommendation that is provided in our staff report

2189
02:40:44,636 --> 02:40:48,466
number two is should the minister determine appropriate to issue

2190
02:40:48,466 --> 02:40:51,576
and administer zoning order it is recommended that the minister

2191
02:40:51,576 --> 02:40:54,976
consider the zoning standards attached in appendix D. to the

2192
02:40:54,976 --> 02:40:58,706
staff report although staff does not support the flood ...

2193
02:40:58,706 --> 02:41:02,646
Ms auto request for the reasons mentioned earlier should the

2194
02:41:02,646 --> 02:41:05,636
minister determine appropriate to issue this ministers on order we

2195
02:41:05,636 --> 02:41:09,296
have provided technical standards for the ministers consideration in that

2196
02:41:09,296 --> 02:41:12,446
appendix some of the matters that is looking to address

2197
02:41:12,446 --> 02:41:15,636
is that the townhouses be redistributed through the R. one

2198
02:41:15,636 --> 02:41:18,576
and R. two designations in the flight for a final

2199
02:41:18,576 --> 02:41:21,856
draft Ms that ... in order to facilitate on street

2200
02:41:21,856 --> 02:41:26,216
parking street ... tree planting and planning and more appropriate

2201
02:41:26,216 --> 02:41:27,606
streetscape

2202
02:41:27,606 --> 02:41:30,086
also that the R. one designation be replaced with an

2203
02:41:30,086 --> 02:41:33,496
R. two designation with use is restricted to only single

2204
02:41:33,496 --> 02:41:39,376
detached dwellings townhouse dwellings accessory dwelling units home childcare and

2205
02:41:39,376 --> 02:41:41,336
home occupations

2206
02:41:41,336 --> 02:41:43,956
the proposed R. one designation is not appropriate it is

2207
02:41:43,956 --> 02:41:46,986
said more typically as applied to areas that transform from

2208
02:41:46,986 --> 02:41:50,616
large lot development urban area developments

2209
02:41:50,616 --> 02:41:54,876
the introduction of restricted uses under the R. two designation

2210
02:41:55,386 --> 02:41:58,066
is in line with the city's design principles of two

2211
02:41:58,066 --> 02:42:01,676
car garages on eleven point six meter lots and would

2212
02:42:01,676 --> 02:42:05,486
give flexibility to include housing nexus smaller than nine meters

2213
02:42:05,516 --> 02:42:09,836
wide with single detached dwellings and single car garages and

2214
02:42:09,836 --> 02:42:12,826
the final matter that we have dressed in the index

2215
02:42:12,826 --> 02:42:15,466
is that the open space owned should be reflect a

2216
02:42:15,466 --> 02:42:18,736
revised to reflect the green we designation in the Markham

2217
02:42:18,736 --> 02:42:22,316
official plan as detailed analysis of studies have not been

2218
02:42:22,316 --> 02:42:25,916
completed to determine the actual size of the open space

2219
02:42:26,406 --> 02:42:29,666
that is why were respond respectfully asking that it would

2220
02:42:29,666 --> 02:42:33,786
reflect the current open space ... designation within the official

2221
02:42:33,786 --> 02:42:36,506
plan

2222
02:42:36,506 --> 02:42:39,916
for next steps stop recommend that this report be forwarded

2223
02:42:39,986 --> 02:42:43,166
to the ministry of municipal affairs and housing York region

2224
02:42:43,276 --> 02:42:45,646
and the town of which are still bill as the

2225
02:42:45,646 --> 02:42:47,886
city's comments on the ends that are requests to be

2226
02:42:47,886 --> 02:42:51,856
submitted by Plato developments incorporated for five four seven four

2227
02:42:51,936 --> 02:42:57,846
and five six six to nineteen Avenue

2228
02:42:57,846 --> 02:43:01,246
so with that ... as it meant been mentioned by

2229
02:43:01,246 --> 02:43:03,506
our commissioner I would like to now turn it over

2230
02:43:03,506 --> 02:43:06,456
to you should hear from until I from ... Fleta

2231
02:43:06,456 --> 02:43:10,616
developments of cooperated and Katarina sleeve what ... from Dentons

2232
02:43:10,616 --> 02:43:13,216
on behalf of later development incorporated that I understand I

2233
02:43:13,216 --> 02:43:15,676
have a presentation

2234
02:43:15,676 --> 02:43:19,426
thank you

2235
02:43:19,426 --> 02:43:22,866
yes good afternoon Mr chairman presents a committee can you

2236
02:43:22,866 --> 02:43:31,746
hear me OK I can't I can't see a

2237
02:43:31,746 --> 02:43:33,536
can you see me now my videos to be honest

2238
02:43:33,536 --> 02:43:35,886
it's

2239
02:43:35,886 --> 02:43:38,526
yeah

2240
02:43:38,526 --> 02:43:41,376
I see an excellent I'm hoping that you can see

2241
02:43:41,376 --> 02:43:43,996
this as well because I'm going to be sharing my

2242
02:43:43,996 --> 02:43:53,696
screen with you ... to show a presentation here

2243
02:43:53,696 --> 02:43:56,146
okay so M. as Mr Lyons said I'm here to

2244
02:43:56,146 --> 02:43:59,186
speak to item seven point to the minister's owning order

2245
02:43:59,186 --> 02:44:02,256
request for flauto and I'm joined by a ... our

2246
02:44:02,256 --> 02:44:05,066
clients and she came from a to let today the

2247
02:44:05,066 --> 02:44:07,836
purpose of this and that ... is to further facilitate

2248
02:44:07,836 --> 02:44:11,106
the development of lands within the block bounded by nineteen

2249
02:44:11,106 --> 02:44:14,096
th Avenue McAllen's still still road and highway forty eight

2250
02:44:14,626 --> 02:44:17,156
an area that was included in the joint Markham and

2251
02:44:17,156 --> 02:44:23,736
which are still felt ... visioning exercise

2252
02:44:23,736 --> 02:44:26,946
I which which should still fill has now and recently

2253
02:44:26,946 --> 02:44:29,706
changed to a land use study as you know the

2254
02:44:29,736 --> 02:44:32,346
answer to build upon the existing that and that ...

2255
02:44:32,346 --> 02:44:34,896
is located to the north and east of the subject

2256
02:44:34,896 --> 02:44:37,346
site

2257
02:44:37,346 --> 02:44:41,016
is contiguous communities would create a complete community I want

2258
02:44:41,016 --> 02:44:43,206
to be clear that the proposed Ms that ... is

2259
02:44:43,206 --> 02:44:46,156
located outside of the green belt outside of the oak

2260
02:44:46,156 --> 02:44:49,116
ridges moraine and respect the boundaries of the natural heritage

2261
02:44:49,116 --> 02:44:52,846
system included in the city's official plan in fact of

2262
02:44:52,846 --> 02:44:56,436
the one hundred and ten acres of the property approximately

2263
02:44:56,436 --> 02:44:58,846
thirty nine acres will not be developed and will continue

2264
02:44:58,846 --> 02:45:00,436
to be protected

2265
02:45:00,436 --> 02:45:01,226
opposed develop

2266
02:45:01,226 --> 02:45:04,736
and addresses several of the province is priorities include including

2267
02:45:04,736 --> 02:45:08,936
increasing housing supply and importantly providing much needed affordable and

2268
02:45:08,936 --> 02:45:12,256
senior housing options in the original submission to the province

2269
02:45:12,256 --> 02:45:14,816
in November we estimated that the lands could yield up

2270
02:45:14,816 --> 02:45:18,186
to eleven hundred eighty five units however since the submission

2271
02:45:18,186 --> 02:45:20,316
revisions to the plan have been made and with the

2272
02:45:20,316 --> 02:45:24,196
integration of Parks stormwater management facilities and a modified road

2273
02:45:24,196 --> 02:45:27,846
network we now estimate that the developer lands could yield

2274
02:45:27,846 --> 02:45:32,146
approximately six hundred and sixty units this includes two one

2275
02:45:32,146 --> 02:45:35,456
hundred unit apartment buildings which are purpose built rental for

2276
02:45:35,456 --> 02:45:39,006
seniors hundred ninety seven townhouse units and two hundred and

2277
02:45:39,006 --> 02:45:42,056
nineteen single detached dwellings

2278
02:45:42,056 --> 02:45:47,406
the townhouse units will be designed to provide

2279
02:45:47,406 --> 02:45:49,966
the townhouse units will be designed to provide a secondary

2280
02:45:49,966 --> 02:45:54,086
suite on the ground floor supporting affordable housing options in

2281
02:45:54,086 --> 02:45:57,356
the community of the single detached dwellings twenty five percent

2282
02:45:57,356 --> 02:46:00,396
will be designed as accessible homes limiting the number of

2283
02:46:00,396 --> 02:46:03,166
stairs to enter the ground level it will include a

2284
02:46:03,166 --> 02:46:05,866
bedroom on the ground floor and wider hallways to support

2285
02:46:05,866 --> 02:46:10,076
mobility devices other enhanced options for seniors and affordable housing

2286
02:46:10,076 --> 02:46:13,296
are also being considered with the road and trail network

2287
02:46:13,296 --> 02:46:16,026
that would connect into the adjacent and that all areas

2288
02:46:16,226 --> 02:46:19,266
these new neighborhoods would be located within walking distance to

2289
02:46:19,266 --> 02:46:22,716
a mix of uses including a community center commercial areas

2290
02:46:22,716 --> 02:46:26,516
at the smart centres plazas schools and additional parks contributing

2291
02:46:26,516 --> 02:46:29,276
to the creation of an complete community and this block

2292
02:46:29,276 --> 02:46:32,966
west of highway forty the lands can be serviced flattest

2293
02:46:32,966 --> 02:46:36,716
engineering consultants at crozier determined that the preferred option would

2294
02:46:36,716 --> 02:46:39,006
be to connect at Sam's way from which are still

2295
02:46:39,006 --> 02:46:42,786
felt for both water and sanitary these servicing connections would

2296
02:46:42,786 --> 02:46:46,786
benefit Dixon Hellebuyck sending servicing to the hamlet limit in

2297
02:46:46,786 --> 02:46:48,846
the time that I had before you today but I'm

2298
02:46:48,846 --> 02:46:52,446
happy to answer additional questions regarding the servicing options should

2299
02:46:52,446 --> 02:46:55,676
you have any flattest team review the staff report and

2300
02:46:55,676 --> 02:46:58,496
the submissions sense to the city by residents I also

2301
02:46:58,496 --> 02:47:00,586
understand that the son of the farmer who sold these

2302
02:47:00,586 --> 02:47:03,226
lands has raised some concerns he would like to continue

2303
02:47:03,226 --> 02:47:05,396
to form his own lands and that's fine and this

2304
02:47:05,396 --> 02:47:10,336
proposal was not interfering with his lands remaining twenty six

2305
02:47:10,336 --> 02:47:13,436
submissions appear to be identical ... but for to the

2306
02:47:13,436 --> 02:47:16,356
speaks of concerns about health and well being and Markham

2307
02:47:16,356 --> 02:47:20,776
stay sustainable complete communities the proposed community addresses just that

2308
02:47:21,066 --> 02:47:24,406
there's also mention of the Ms ... circumventing public engagement

2309
02:47:24,406 --> 02:47:27,596
however this meeting today is not the first opportunity for

2310
02:47:27,596 --> 02:47:30,106
public engagement as you know as part of the highway

2311
02:47:30,106 --> 02:47:32,876
forty eight visioning exercise to public meetings were held in

2312
02:47:32,876 --> 02:47:37,036
Markham and additional meetings were held in Richard Stossel what's

2313
02:47:37,036 --> 02:47:39,746
more is that there will be a statutory public meeting

2314
02:47:39,746 --> 02:47:42,376
for this proposal at the draft plan approval stage and

2315
02:47:42,376 --> 02:47:46,136
site plan approval with respect to concerns raised regarding headwaters

2316
02:47:46,136 --> 02:47:46,506
and the not

2317
02:47:46,506 --> 02:47:50,706
full employment letters environmental consultants are working closely and will

2318
02:47:50,706 --> 02:47:52,956
continue to work with a T. RCA to respect the

2319
02:47:52,956 --> 02:47:56,386
requirements and guidelines with respect to the suggestion that they

2320
02:47:56,386 --> 02:47:59,826
should wait for the MCR the MCR is anticipated to

2321
02:47:59,826 --> 02:48:03,186
be completed image twenty twenty as Mr Prasad said this

2322
02:48:03,186 --> 02:48:06,056
morning waiting for the MCR takes a very long time

2323
02:48:06,366 --> 02:48:09,966
seniors housing and affordable housing are issues that the province

2324
02:48:09,966 --> 02:48:13,156
has identified as a priority they're issues that exist not

2325
02:48:13,156 --> 02:48:15,836
just in interior or Canada but frankly around the world

2326
02:48:16,316 --> 02:48:19,316
we've been discussing these challenges for years and they continue

2327
02:48:19,706 --> 02:48:22,146
the pandemic has brought these issues into the spotlight like

2328
02:48:22,146 --> 02:48:25,186
never before the issues with this vulnerable segment of the

2329
02:48:25,186 --> 02:48:28,276
population have touched so many of us the solution is

2330
02:48:28,276 --> 02:48:30,346
not just in the retirement home in long term care

2331
02:48:30,346 --> 02:48:33,826
beds after appropriate opportunities for seniors to live within our

2332
02:48:33,826 --> 02:48:36,606
community are missing this is one of those moments where

2333
02:48:36,606 --> 02:48:40,616
my personal my professional life have intersected recently I was

2334
02:48:40,616 --> 02:48:43,476
recently in a position to really experience how the lack

2335
02:48:43,476 --> 02:48:46,166
of having our aging population close to us within our

2336
02:48:46,166 --> 02:48:51,116
communities and inappropriate housing is problematic my grandmother's I'm health

2337
02:48:51,146 --> 02:48:54,136
turned very suddenly for the worse ... until then she

2338
02:48:54,136 --> 02:48:57,596
was living alone without someone close by to her situation

2339
02:48:57,596 --> 02:49:00,556
deteriorated quickly and resulted in hospitalization by the time I

2340
02:49:00,556 --> 02:49:03,426
was able to get to reach we need appropriate housing

2341
02:49:03,426 --> 02:49:06,476
for senior ones that allow them to stay close to

2342
02:49:06,476 --> 02:49:10,216
their family friends and within their communities this community provides

2343
02:49:10,216 --> 02:49:11,706
that option

2344
02:49:11,706 --> 02:49:15,326
the provincial government has focused its resources on exploring solutions

2345
02:49:15,606 --> 02:49:18,356
on doing something about this now I commend the city

2346
02:49:18,356 --> 02:49:21,276
of Markham for actively pursuing solutions and moving the dial

2347
02:49:21,276 --> 02:49:24,506
with the mayors affordable rental housing strategy let us team

2348
02:49:24,506 --> 02:49:26,616
join the zoom call last week to participate in not

2349
02:49:26,616 --> 02:49:30,256
important undertaking we will continue to stay engaged what is

2350
02:49:30,256 --> 02:49:33,936
proposed here will respect the strategy and providing innovative solutions

2351
02:49:33,936 --> 02:49:37,126
to address housing affordability the city seeks waiting for the

2352
02:49:37,126 --> 02:49:39,966
outcome of the MCR as a lost opportunity to round

2353
02:49:39,966 --> 02:49:42,096
out this part of Markham adjacent to which are still

2354
02:49:42,096 --> 02:49:45,216
felt the proposed community it is an obvious pocket to

2355
02:49:45,216 --> 02:49:48,506
include within the proposed community with McAllen as a natural

2356
02:49:48,506 --> 02:49:52,316
boundary the presentation that I circulated for this meeting includes

2357
02:49:52,316 --> 02:49:55,186
an overview of the community very much like the one

2358
02:49:55,186 --> 02:49:59,046
proposed here the plateau created in Dundalk including the seniors

2359
02:49:59,046 --> 02:50:03,586
rental we respectfully request that the committee and council support

2360
02:50:03,586 --> 02:50:06,136
the sense at all because these affordable units and seniors

2361
02:50:06,136 --> 02:50:09,436
rental housing are needed in the community and every community

2362
02:50:09,686 --> 02:50:12,656
the proposal provides an opportunity for Markham to address these

2363
02:50:12,656 --> 02:50:15,516
needs thank you for your time and for allowing me

2364
02:50:15,516 --> 02:50:18,966
to make this deputation as I said ... Mr remit

2365
02:50:18,966 --> 02:50:21,336
to let joins us today and is happy to answer

2366
02:50:21,336 --> 02:50:31,476
any questions

2367
02:50:32,426 --> 02:50:35,126
before we take any questions do I'd like to do

2368
02:50:35,126 --> 02:50:38,836
that the deputations the site okay

2369
02:50:38,836 --> 02:50:40,996
Mayor script any

2370
02:50:40,996 --> 02:50:44,796
one minute you're on mute yourself

2371
02:50:44,796 --> 02:50:48,686
thanks Mr chair and I don't want I appreciate you

2372
02:50:48,686 --> 02:50:51,946
want to hear from the documents but could either stop

2373
02:50:52,226 --> 02:50:56,716
or the consultant just walk us through a little bit

2374
02:50:56,716 --> 02:51:00,896
more on the mapping ... I want to be clear

2375
02:51:00,926 --> 02:51:04,526
how big this site is how much is being preserved

2376
02:51:04,756 --> 02:51:08,396
obviously through the green belt and then our own our

2377
02:51:08,396 --> 02:51:12,556
green Waye system and I want to understand the status

2378
02:51:12,586 --> 02:51:16,536
of the ... the development on on the north side

2379
02:51:16,536 --> 02:51:19,336
of our boundary in which church stole gold and you

2380
02:51:19,426 --> 02:51:22,736
you talk about your I heard the consultant mention complete

2381
02:51:22,736 --> 02:51:26,586
communities a one understand the relationship between the two sorry

2382
02:51:26,586 --> 02:51:30,486
to take extra time but I hope that this information

2383
02:51:30,486 --> 02:51:32,966
will be helpful to not only members of council but

2384
02:51:32,966 --> 02:51:36,956
the public as well Mr Mayor before somebody answers yet

2385
02:51:37,656 --> 02:51:41,566
we've made the decision to defer the Markham center to

2386
02:51:41,566 --> 02:51:44,206
another date

2387
02:51:44,206 --> 02:51:45,436
okay

2388
02:51:45,436 --> 02:51:49,756
start up information from the city L.

2389
02:51:49,756 --> 02:51:51,766
what's that

2390
02:51:51,766 --> 02:51:55,476
can I have a motion to June move that

2391
02:51:55,476 --> 02:51:59,836
moved by regional council Heath and second by council right

2392
02:52:00,156 --> 02:52:02,566
now we move it to another date and that's the

2393
02:52:02,566 --> 02:52:06,186
only topic that's going to be on the agenda

2394
02:52:06,186 --> 02:52:08,796
all in favor

2395
02:52:08,796 --> 02:52:13,126
opposed carries okay now whoever is supposed to answer your

2396
02:52:13,126 --> 02:52:17,426
question Mr Mayor please answer

2397
02:52:17,426 --> 02:52:20,356
thank you Mr chairman through you start to ... the

2398
02:52:20,356 --> 02:52:28,686
Mayor if I could just share my screen again here

2399
02:52:28,686 --> 02:52:30,926
and I do appreciate the question of land with a

2400
02:52:30,926 --> 02:52:33,236
five minute deputation the Mets ... I have to go

2401
02:52:33,236 --> 02:52:36,976
very quickly ... so the lands in question are here

2402
02:52:36,976 --> 02:52:39,186
if you can see my cursor

2403
02:52:39,186 --> 02:52:41,456
and and over here

2404
02:52:41,456 --> 02:52:44,696
and the and I'm single lands and which are still

2405
02:52:44,696 --> 02:52:51,636
feel are just just about over here

2406
02:52:51,636 --> 02:52:56,006
clear to starting around but the sign clear there was

2407
02:52:56,006 --> 02:52:59,916
a a previous smaller and several I thought the cocktail

2408
02:52:59,916 --> 02:53:02,066
with the lands you just pointed to an which should

2409
02:53:02,066 --> 02:53:05,646
still are they already designated by names ... at all

2410
02:53:05,646 --> 02:53:09,076
or is it is that happening concurrently

2411
02:53:09,076 --> 02:53:12,386
no assistance Mr Mayor three Mr Jackson and answer the

2412
02:53:12,386 --> 02:53:15,796
question D. lands in which are still fell and the

2413
02:53:15,796 --> 02:53:18,086
pocket over here and and and and I hope you

2414
02:53:18,086 --> 02:53:21,786
can see my cursor ... R. M. settles and that

2415
02:53:21,786 --> 02:53:24,956
are already issued by the province and if they have

2416
02:53:24,956 --> 02:53:29,726
rezone the lands to ... a similar use that Sam

2417
02:53:29,726 --> 02:53:32,936
is being requested with respect to the lands here so

2418
02:53:32,936 --> 02:53:37,236
a community that is geared for seniors

2419
02:53:37,236 --> 02:53:41,746
okay so that whole purple outlined the area in which

2420
02:53:41,746 --> 02:53:46,756
it sold well is already approved correct it's one of

2421
02:53:46,756 --> 02:53:51,116
the blue as I remember that one I remember that

2422
02:53:51,116 --> 02:53:55,236
one I just didn't appreciate that okay so site sorry

2423
02:53:55,236 --> 02:53:57,896
to break your flow of trying to the question I

2424
02:53:57,896 --> 02:54:00,156
just want to get back where to gauge thank you

2425
02:54:00,526 --> 02:54:03,426
no problem happy added to address any questions to help

2426
02:54:03,876 --> 02:54:06,336
clarify the presentation and the Ms that all that is

2427
02:54:06,336 --> 02:54:09,746
required assisted ... it so with respect to the unit

2428
02:54:09,746 --> 02:54:12,206
count you'll see here the notation that of what is

2429
02:54:12,206 --> 02:54:15,706
being ... asked a or what is being proposed R.

2430
02:54:15,706 --> 02:54:19,666
six hundred and sixteen units and I provided a breakdown

2431
02:54:19,696 --> 02:54:23,046
... in my presentation but I'll mention that again those

2432
02:54:23,046 --> 02:54:26,266
six hundred and sixteen units includes two one hundred unit

2433
02:54:26,266 --> 02:54:31,236
apartment buildings which are proposed to be ... purpose built

2434
02:54:31,236 --> 02:54:35,166
rental for seniors and a hundred and ninety seven townhouse

2435
02:54:35,166 --> 02:54:38,826
units ... as well as two hundred and nineteen single

2436
02:54:38,826 --> 02:54:43,356
detached dwellings

2437
02:54:43,356 --> 02:54:47,736
perhaps this is Jim done version of the album

2438
02:54:47,736 --> 02:54:51,096
of the concept might be helpful

2439
02:54:51,096 --> 02:54:54,296
and on the third page of the concept plan and

2440
02:54:54,296 --> 02:54:57,856
just to clarify a little bit of intersection servicing you'll

2441
02:54:57,856 --> 02:55:01,256
see at that I mentioned the servicing option as if

2442
02:55:01,256 --> 02:55:04,296
you could follow my cursor along here ... for both

2443
02:55:04,296 --> 02:55:08,546
water and wastewater is ... Ward Sam's way ... and

2444
02:55:08,546 --> 02:55:15,136
coming from which are still

2445
02:55:15,136 --> 02:55:17,716
could you run up you're gonna have more could you

2446
02:55:17,716 --> 02:55:25,656
just again reiterate the total size of the urban area

2447
02:55:25,656 --> 02:55:29,326
and how much is and and also kind of maybe

2448
02:55:29,326 --> 02:55:33,286
highlighting it forswear that situated how much is in the

2449
02:55:33,326 --> 02:55:37,586
green belts and the green way

2450
02:55:37,586 --> 02:55:41,206
through you Mr chair D.

2451
02:55:41,206 --> 02:55:44,696
area of the proposed Ms that owes is one hundred

2452
02:55:44,696 --> 02:55:46,736
and ten acres

2453
02:55:46,736 --> 02:55:51,366
approximately thirty nine at acres are in the green belt

2454
02:55:51,406 --> 02:55:53,936
... you'll see the two areas here

2455
02:55:53,936 --> 02:55:57,546
and natural heritage and the thirty nine acres will not

2456
02:55:57,576 --> 02:56:00,716
or not proposed to be developed a the will continue

2457
02:56:00,716 --> 02:56:03,686
to be protected

2458
02:56:03,686 --> 02:56:06,016
so that's

2459
02:56:06,016 --> 02:56:08,596
just shy about half of the area that would would

2460
02:56:08,596 --> 02:56:12,036
be proposed to be developed

2461
02:56:12,036 --> 02:56:17,556
so the natural heritage area would that also be defined

2462
02:56:17,556 --> 02:56:21,516
as our green Waye system in Markham's official plan just

2463
02:56:21,516 --> 02:56:24,006
so I'm clear

2464
02:56:24,006 --> 02:56:26,376
through you Mr Terry yes that that that's correct ...

2465
02:56:26,406 --> 02:56:29,546
the natural heritage system the greenway system is being protected

2466
02:56:29,546 --> 02:56:31,196
and are

2467
02:56:31,196 --> 02:56:33,756
the consulting team at SLR is working with the T.

2468
02:56:33,756 --> 02:56:36,046
RCA and with mark on to ensure that that's the

2469
02:56:36,046 --> 02:56:38,436
case I believe this is the area here that your

2470
02:56:38,436 --> 02:56:44,016
residence

2471
02:56:44,016 --> 02:56:46,646
and you shorter servicing

2472
02:56:46,646 --> 02:56:51,146
... and I wasn't really clear guests which is are

2473
02:56:51,146 --> 02:56:56,356
those lines representatives of both water and sewer the orange

2474
02:56:56,356 --> 02:57:01,376
lines are they is one water one sewer

2475
02:57:01,376 --> 02:57:04,296
the Orange Line ... I'll take you through the options

2476
02:57:04,296 --> 02:57:07,056
of this Orange Line that's coming through Sam's way as

2477
02:57:07,056 --> 02:57:12,176
some external sanitary servicing options ...

2478
02:57:12,176 --> 02:57:14,786
what what is proposed or the preferred option for the

2479
02:57:14,786 --> 02:57:19,036
external sanitary servicing is up through Sam's way ... force

2480
02:57:19,036 --> 02:57:22,756
main gravity twinning ... sewage is collected at the pumping

2481
02:57:22,756 --> 02:57:24,856
station and that that is over here if you could

2482
02:57:24,856 --> 02:57:30,196
see the the area where my cursor is ...

2483
02:57:30,196 --> 02:57:32,676
so do we just collected at the pumping station shown

2484
02:57:32,676 --> 02:57:35,526
in games nineteenth Avenue and pumped via the force main

2485
02:57:35,596 --> 02:57:39,456
internally through fly does lands to Sam's way ultimately just

2486
02:57:39,456 --> 02:57:43,126
charging to the main why DSS sewer trunk on Nightline

2487
02:57:43,356 --> 02:57:45,706
and that's the orange I dotted line with the arrows

2488
02:57:45,706 --> 02:57:49,106
that you're seeing there there is the option to twin

2489
02:57:49,106 --> 02:57:52,916
a portion of the story through nuclear arsenal subdivision shown

2490
02:57:52,916 --> 02:57:56,296
in the thin red line ... just here if you

2491
02:57:56,296 --> 02:57:59,476
could again see my cursor

2492
02:57:59,476 --> 02:58:01,836
... asked the judge that as was suggested by which

2493
02:58:01,836 --> 02:58:04,896
are still feel otherwise it can be a direct force

2494
02:58:04,896 --> 02:58:07,326
main connection all the way to through ... all the

2495
02:58:07,326 --> 02:58:09,496
way tonight line

2496
02:58:09,496 --> 02:58:13,286
another option ... is shown here with the other Orange

2497
02:58:13,286 --> 02:58:18,386
Line ... going across nineteenth Avenue and that's also forced

2498
02:58:18,386 --> 02:58:20,736
me an option so we just collected at the pumping

2499
02:58:20,736 --> 02:58:23,836
station shown at nineteenth Avenue and pumped via forced me

2500
02:58:23,836 --> 02:58:28,426
directly to nine flying why DSS sewer trunk there are

2501
02:58:28,426 --> 02:58:33,526
also two alternatives ... that that have been campus that

2502
02:58:33,846 --> 02:58:39,476
bring ... the sanitary south of but ...

2503
02:58:39,476 --> 02:58:41,576
if the what when where and what is important to

2504
02:58:41,576 --> 02:58:45,396
note is that the sanitary sewer can be provided ...

2505
02:58:45,426 --> 02:58:51,336
it would also provide an opportunity to

2506
02:58:51,336 --> 02:58:54,006
... to the community or the hamlets ... with respect

2507
02:58:54,006 --> 02:58:56,736
to all of these options that would be the

2508
02:58:56,736 --> 02:58:59,796
with respect to water and through you Mr chair all

2509
02:58:59,796 --> 02:59:03,246
water servicing can be supplied by existing water main connections

2510
02:59:03,246 --> 02:59:07,586
that sounds way and highway forty eight preliminary water modeling

2511
02:59:07,586 --> 02:59:10,746
supports this option so that's the option I walked you

2512
02:59:10,746 --> 02:59:13,946
through earlier there will be no water connection points to

2513
02:59:13,946 --> 02:59:18,226
the Markham system importantly water main extension again can be

2514
02:59:18,226 --> 02:59:21,176
provided to the Dixon hill community to service the hamlet

2515
02:59:21,776 --> 02:59:25,836
and lastly ... there's stormwater management ... that I can

2516
02:59:26,196 --> 02:59:28,946
get into in detail but I can just simply say

2517
02:59:28,946 --> 02:59:34,136
that to onsite onsite stormwater management ponds will treat runoff

2518
02:59:34,136 --> 02:59:36,776
from the Markham and zero two lands east and west

2519
02:59:36,776 --> 02:59:40,076
of the parcels and three stormwater management ponds will be

2520
02:59:40,076 --> 02:59:43,676
provided on the still feel entitled to lands and one

2521
02:59:43,886 --> 02:59:47,416
underground storage facilities provided to treat stormwater on the M.

2522
02:59:47,416 --> 02:59:51,976
settlements I just I do want to clarify though ...

2523
02:59:51,976 --> 02:59:55,326
that I raise these at this overview where these options

2524
02:59:55,326 --> 02:59:59,176
just to ... show that there are options that have

2525
02:59:59,176 --> 03:00:02,386
been considered with the preferred option at Sam's way and

2526
03:00:02,386 --> 03:00:05,366
the options will be explored working with city staff going

2527
03:00:05,366 --> 03:00:08,206
forward in the committee today is not being asked to

2528
03:00:08,206 --> 03:00:11,146
approve any one of the ... options that I walked

2529
03:00:11,146 --> 03:00:13,126
you through

2530
03:00:13,126 --> 03:00:16,276
just one last thing Mr Churkin you shorts at least

2531
03:00:16,916 --> 03:00:20,876
you know not all post secondary but just the major

2532
03:00:20,876 --> 03:00:25,156
collector roles I understand the interface between

2533
03:00:25,156 --> 03:00:34,966
are the 2 communities

2534
03:00:34,966 --> 03:00:36,746
I think that this would be helpful you have to

2535
03:00:36,746 --> 03:00:39,336
bear with me three Mister chair ... Mr Mayor I

2536
03:00:39,336 --> 03:00:41,606
I'm a lawyer not a land use planner so this

2537
03:00:41,606 --> 03:00:44,626
is a job exactly my area of expertise but we

2538
03:00:44,626 --> 03:00:48,366
have ... D. major roads that are showing I you

2539
03:00:48,366 --> 03:00:51,706
have nineteen W. across here ... it does does lands

2540
03:00:51,706 --> 03:00:55,356
are bounded by McAllen ... up to still so road

2541
03:00:55,396 --> 03:00:57,946
that gets a little bit much further north than what

2542
03:00:57,946 --> 03:01:00,936
we're dealing with ... and then highway forty eight that's

2543
03:01:00,936 --> 03:01:05,176
the the boundary of as I mentioned in my presentation

2544
03:01:05,516 --> 03:01:11,116
of the community focuses on connectivity cement connecting the proposed

2545
03:01:11,116 --> 03:01:15,126
community to the community that was approved of the order

2546
03:01:15,126 --> 03:01:18,506
... rezoned by way of the met and settled into

2547
03:01:18,796 --> 03:01:20,636
which are still fell and the Ms at all in

2548
03:01:20,636 --> 03:01:24,726
Markham ... and provides opportunities for connections right through the

2549
03:01:24,726 --> 03:01:28,676
community and to the commercial of plaza on the other

2550
03:01:28,676 --> 03:01:33,296
side of highway forty eight

2551
03:01:33,296 --> 03:01:37,456
I hope that answers your question Mr Mayor thank you

2552
03:01:37,456 --> 03:01:41,116
thanks Mr chair what one question I have

2553
03:01:41,116 --> 03:01:49,016
do not map

2554
03:01:49,016 --> 03:01:55,036
there isn't

2555
03:01:55,036 --> 03:01:58,316
all the lands all the lands and still built that

2556
03:01:58,316 --> 03:02:01,816
are in the Ms and all Ms not all have

2557
03:02:01,816 --> 03:02:07,236
been approved by still built council is that correct

2558
03:02:07,236 --> 03:02:10,566
the lands that are in is still still ... have

2559
03:02:10,566 --> 03:02:13,876
been zoned for development by way of the minister zoning

2560
03:02:13,876 --> 03:02:16,776
order ends ...

2561
03:02:16,776 --> 03:02:19,936
there was a in that the highway forty eight visioning

2562
03:02:19,936 --> 03:02:22,596
exercise that was under way that considered the development of

2563
03:02:22,736 --> 03:02:26,536
the disease a statement of of both Markham and which

2564
03:02:26,536 --> 03:02:30,106
are still felt dot division ing exercise has now been

2565
03:02:30,336 --> 03:02:33,156
converted to a land use studies so we are with

2566
03:02:33,156 --> 03:02:36,526
Markham and and which are still full staff working through

2567
03:02:36,526 --> 03:02:41,006
that exercise ... with our client and it's planners and

2568
03:02:41,006 --> 03:02:46,976
... engineers and transportation consultants an environmental consultants ... we

2569
03:02:46,976 --> 03:02:50,316
are also working through the draft plan of subdivision process

2570
03:02:50,806 --> 03:02:54,466
Mister chair my question is if this is gone through

2571
03:02:54,466 --> 03:02:57,686
several built council and they have

2572
03:02:57,686 --> 03:03:00,696
... the Ms at all they're working down to the

2573
03:03:00,696 --> 03:03:03,436
property sector

2574
03:03:03,436 --> 03:03:06,586
that is correct Mister chair thank you for clarifying that

2575
03:03:06,616 --> 03:03:09,466
it that is correct but council in which are still

2576
03:03:09,466 --> 03:03:12,426
feel did support and the Ms that ... that was

2577
03:03:12,426 --> 03:03:16,596
issued a rezoning the lands and in which are still

2578
03:03:16,596 --> 03:03:18,336
okay now

2579
03:03:18,336 --> 03:03:20,496
should I take the questions are should I do the

2580
03:03:20,496 --> 03:03:24,836
Deputy that's

2581
03:03:24,836 --> 03:03:28,016
I was gonna do the jacket transcendent

2582
03:03:28,016 --> 03:03:42,586
get finance Jack first on the list is Alan research

2583
03:03:45,446 --> 03:03:47,016
she there

2584
03:03:47,016 --> 03:03:57,176
no

2585
03:04:11,496 --> 03:04:16,996
unmute yourself Alan

2586
03:04:16,996 --> 03:04:24,656
I don't see

2587
03:04:24,656 --> 03:04:27,366
okay next is a

2588
03:04:27,366 --> 03:04:31,186
Peter me eyes that

2589
03:04:31,186 --> 03:04:35,376
okay ... I presume you can hear me I can

2590
03:04:35,376 --> 03:04:38,176
hear you yes a great I'm representing the union will

2591
03:04:38,176 --> 03:04:42,386
residents association in this application you've heard the background from

2592
03:04:42,386 --> 03:04:47,586
... the previous speakers we strongly endorse the staff recommendation

2593
03:04:47,586 --> 03:04:52,206
that Markham not support this Ms at all request we

2594
03:04:52,206 --> 03:04:55,696
can't undo what's still real is done but Markham conserving

2595
03:04:55,696 --> 03:04:58,906
speak for itself and the U. R. A. has always

2596
03:04:58,906 --> 03:05:02,786
opposed spot zoning that goes against official plans or secondary

2597
03:05:02,786 --> 03:05:05,736
plans come in the staff report really says it all

2598
03:05:06,376 --> 03:05:07,916
the R.

2599
03:05:07,916 --> 03:05:11,936
regional comprehensive municipal comprehensive reviews under way it's going to

2600
03:05:11,936 --> 03:05:16,276
produce a lands needs assessment that'll tell us the appropriate

2601
03:05:16,276 --> 03:05:20,866
amount location and freezing of any urban boundary expansion from

2602
03:05:20,866 --> 03:05:23,956
Markham and the staff report also points out the need

2603
03:05:23,956 --> 03:05:26,776
for a secondary plan and that was raised in question

2604
03:05:26,776 --> 03:05:29,616
but the Mayor like to collect a road network things

2605
03:05:29,616 --> 03:05:33,356
like that and so until these two plans are in

2606
03:05:33,356 --> 03:05:38,266
place the land use plan and the secondary plan no

2607
03:05:38,296 --> 03:05:42,096
spot zoning should occur I want to note that ...

2608
03:05:42,426 --> 03:05:46,386
the lands are about three kilometers beyond the future urban

2609
03:05:46,386 --> 03:05:49,166
area which is a which is intended to handle handle

2610
03:05:49,166 --> 03:05:52,666
Markham's growth to at least twenty thirty one

2611
03:05:52,666 --> 03:05:56,196
... and the lands need assessment is very important because

2612
03:05:56,196 --> 03:05:59,206
this white belt land may not be needed until well

2613
03:05:59,206 --> 03:06:00,906
into the future

2614
03:06:00,906 --> 03:06:03,616
you're going to hear it later not today I guess

2615
03:06:03,616 --> 03:06:09,026
but ... that the options for Markham center include a

2616
03:06:09,026 --> 03:06:12,596
population of about a hundred and one thousand

2617
03:06:12,596 --> 03:06:16,816
... versus forty thousand in the twenty ten growth strategy

2618
03:06:17,106 --> 03:06:21,166
that's sixty thousand people less

2619
03:06:21,166 --> 03:06:23,426
what into the white belt

2620
03:06:23,426 --> 03:06:27,016
that's really important that may tell us that we don't

2621
03:06:27,016 --> 03:06:31,896
need these flat ... lands in Markham until beyond twenty

2622
03:06:31,896 --> 03:06:34,416
fifty one which is the

2623
03:06:34,416 --> 03:06:37,606
the outlook for the uh plan it's important to that

2624
03:06:37,606 --> 03:06:40,206
market may indicate to the ministry that we do not

2625
03:06:40,206 --> 03:06:44,676
support this Ms that'll request the ministry stated publicly that

2626
03:06:44,726 --> 03:06:49,176
every Ms that'll made by the minister on non provincially

2627
03:06:49,176 --> 03:06:51,656
owned land has been at the request of the local

2628
03:06:51,656 --> 03:06:53,786
municipality

2629
03:06:53,786 --> 03:06:56,826
and I'm quoting here the government does not consider municipalities

2630
03:06:56,826 --> 03:06:58,976
to be special interests and what can you do work

2631
03:06:58,976 --> 03:07:03,336
with local governments to accelerate priority provincial and municipal projects

2632
03:07:03,866 --> 03:07:08,316
so it sounds like the ministry will heed Markham's opposition

2633
03:07:08,316 --> 03:07:10,856
to the ends at all and will not issue it

2634
03:07:11,216 --> 03:07:14,226
if we indicate we are opposed and I think we

2635
03:07:14,226 --> 03:07:21,356
should be opposed so let's pursue that path thank you

2636
03:07:21,356 --> 03:07:25,736
any questions of Peter

2637
03:07:25,736 --> 03:07:30,696
seeing none next is Alexis edge

2638
03:07:30,696 --> 03:07:31,856
yeah

2639
03:07:31,856 --> 03:07:33,526
she's

2640
03:07:33,526 --> 03:07:36,336
good morning can you hear me

2641
03:07:36,336 --> 03:07:40,416
yes I can okay great our server good afternoon I

2642
03:07:40,416 --> 03:07:44,656
guess twelve thirty ... thank you I chaired committee members

2643
03:07:44,656 --> 03:07:47,446
I appreciate the opportunity to ... to speak to you

2644
03:07:47,446 --> 03:07:51,796
today on item seven point two ... my name's Alexis

2645
03:07:51,826 --> 03:07:53,826
I chill well and I live in Markham village I

2646
03:07:53,826 --> 03:07:57,546
previously spoke to issues related to this area in may

2647
03:07:57,576 --> 03:08:00,096
of last year I just want to take this very

2648
03:08:00,096 --> 03:08:02,766
brief opportunity to acknowledge all of your hard work and

2649
03:08:02,766 --> 03:08:07,016
service in our community at this extraordinary time ... I've

2650
03:08:07,016 --> 03:08:10,686
been following long waste your meetings and communications your immense

2651
03:08:10,716 --> 03:08:14,996
efforts to keep our constituency state and supported has not

2652
03:08:14,996 --> 03:08:17,236
gone unnoticed so I just wanted to take a moment

2653
03:08:17,236 --> 03:08:18,776
to say thank you

2654
03:08:18,776 --> 03:08:22,006
... I'm here today to encourage you to adopt planning

2655
03:08:22,006 --> 03:08:25,256
staff's recommendation and should not endorse this Ms at all

2656
03:08:25,256 --> 03:08:28,376
on the northern edge of marca I think it's really

2657
03:08:28,376 --> 03:08:33,526
important that we decouple the request from the applicant our

2658
03:08:33,526 --> 03:08:36,506
gratitude to Mr until of for his generosity in our

2659
03:08:36,506 --> 03:08:42,186
community is universal however it's incredibly vital that we disentangle

2660
03:08:42,186 --> 03:08:46,926
the philanthropy from the facts associated with this case ...

2661
03:08:47,286 --> 03:08:51,926
blinder anonymous recruiting and job applications are now extremely common

2662
03:08:51,956 --> 03:08:56,176
I might argue that we may be using anonymous development

2663
03:08:56,176 --> 03:09:00,426
applications out sometime soon so we can really fairly consider

2664
03:09:00,426 --> 03:09:03,926
the implications of request like these so today I implore

2665
03:09:03,926 --> 03:09:07,186
you to suspend your bias and consider this case through

2666
03:09:07,186 --> 03:09:10,876
the lens of an average citizen here today asking to

2667
03:09:10,876 --> 03:09:14,076
be exempted from a process that keeps all of us

2668
03:09:14,076 --> 03:09:19,156
healthy able to meet lifecycle financial obligations and considers the

2669
03:09:19,156 --> 03:09:22,396
long term needs of future generations

2670
03:09:22,396 --> 03:09:26,186
and Santos I would argue invite chaos taking in orderly

2671
03:09:26,186 --> 03:09:31,326
and transparent process and incinerating it staff and city wide

2672
03:09:31,326 --> 03:09:34,196
priorities are shuffled from projects that are already in the

2673
03:09:34,196 --> 03:09:39,056
queue and landowners patiently waiting for consideration are penalized as

2674
03:09:39,056 --> 03:09:43,696
a result this chaos cost time time costs money and

2675
03:09:43,696 --> 03:09:46,036
what was supposed to be sold as a tool for

2676
03:09:46,036 --> 03:09:49,266
cutting so called red tape in actual fact could make

2677
03:09:49,266 --> 03:09:52,506
more of it as a local taxpayer I contribute to

2678
03:09:52,506 --> 03:09:55,846
the professional the planning department's here end up the region

2679
03:09:56,426 --> 03:09:59,316
Ms it does cut out the expertise of our professional

2680
03:09:59,316 --> 03:10:03,956
planners and associated conservation authority so I ask you is

2681
03:10:03,956 --> 03:10:07,346
the perceived short term benefit of this and that ...

2682
03:10:07,586 --> 03:10:12,496
override the long term cost of the chaos it creates

2683
03:10:12,496 --> 03:10:16,806
the intent of these tools were historically in urgent circumstances

2684
03:10:16,966 --> 03:10:21,396
where there was a declared emergency ... queen's park now

2685
03:10:21,396 --> 03:10:23,826
courage is their water use is part of a COVID

2686
03:10:23,826 --> 03:10:28,546
recovery strategy to bring shovel ready products projects online rapidly

2687
03:10:28,906 --> 03:10:32,656
unlike the previous and settled here today this is not

2688
03:10:32,656 --> 03:10:38,806
shovel ready it is not solving a local universally agreed

2689
03:10:38,806 --> 03:10:42,956
upon emergency even though it might offer some affordable housing

2690
03:10:42,956 --> 03:10:46,666
which I'd knowledge is the dire region wide crisis this

2691
03:10:46,666 --> 03:10:52,336
highly difficult car dependent location is mismatched to this challenge

2692
03:10:52,336 --> 03:10:56,286
at the region their ongoing conversations about servicing the critical

2693
03:10:56,286 --> 03:10:59,436
importance of which is not to be under under rated

2694
03:10:59,726 --> 03:11:03,756
we don't have clear answers from the region

2695
03:11:03,756 --> 03:11:07,746
for up already approved growth ... in our region and

2696
03:11:07,746 --> 03:11:10,206
how that will be managed so we don't have answers

2697
03:11:10,206 --> 03:11:13,266
for this location either does anyone have an answer to

2698
03:11:13,266 --> 03:11:15,986
whether we can afford to service this area over the

2699
03:11:15,986 --> 03:11:20,366
lifespan of the infrastructure who will be denied servicing capacity

2700
03:11:20,366 --> 03:11:25,856
to accelerated development here endorsing this concept prematurely presents a

2701
03:11:25,856 --> 03:11:29,156
massive risk when we just don't have the solutions in

2702
03:11:29,156 --> 03:11:32,336
place right I don't see how this committee can justify

2703
03:11:32,336 --> 03:11:35,036
endorsing and I'm set out when the project is not

2704
03:11:35,036 --> 03:11:38,306
at all shovel ready my last point I'll try and

2705
03:11:38,306 --> 03:11:41,776
wrap up very quickly B. where the unforeseen consequences of

2706
03:11:41,776 --> 03:11:44,966
endorsing this some of you are are thinking this is

2707
03:11:44,966 --> 03:11:48,796
just a small thirty somebody or parcel tiny footprint in

2708
03:11:48,796 --> 03:11:51,696
the context of the big wide world but it is

2709
03:11:51,726 --> 03:11:56,006
beyond urgent that we meeting fully consider future growth with

2710
03:11:56,006 --> 03:12:00,196
greenhouse gas emissions emissions in mind growth must adhere to

2711
03:12:00,196 --> 03:12:04,086
a robot robust mitigation strategy and my fear that it

2712
03:12:04,216 --> 03:12:07,466
is the decision here today triggers a domino effect the

2713
03:12:07,496 --> 03:12:11,556
urbanized is Marcus remaining farmland in the northeast this and

2714
03:12:11,556 --> 03:12:14,306
that ... could be the third edge at the edge

2715
03:12:14,306 --> 03:12:16,836
of the wedge that launches an assault on the lands

2716
03:12:16,836 --> 03:12:20,016
not currently within the urban boundary you call them white

2717
03:12:20,016 --> 03:12:23,396
belts I called them prime agricultural lands and class one

2718
03:12:23,396 --> 03:12:26,956
soil they are exceptionally rare and we have a shared

2719
03:12:26,956 --> 03:12:31,206
obligation to protect them they both represent our best opportunity

2720
03:12:31,206 --> 03:12:36,816
to sequester carbon and make prudent use of ecosystem services

2721
03:12:36,816 --> 03:12:40,236
one thing is for sure we cannot do any of

2722
03:12:40,236 --> 03:12:43,226
those things if we allow organization to take them out

2723
03:12:43,226 --> 03:12:46,006
of service we're in a climate crisis the way to

2724
03:12:46,006 --> 03:12:48,726
emerge from called it is not to loosen the policies

2725
03:12:48,726 --> 03:12:52,476
that help us preserve a livable planet for future generations

2726
03:12:52,566 --> 03:12:55,386
we must lean into those policies and make them more

2727
03:12:55,386 --> 03:13:01,196
robust please respect the recommendations you're planning professionals thank you

2728
03:13:01,196 --> 03:13:07,146
thank you any questions of Alexia 9 regional council he

2729
03:13:07,146 --> 03:13:10,336
I have ... no questions ... Mister chair I thought

2730
03:13:10,336 --> 03:13:12,966
that presentation was the one of the best I've ever

2731
03:13:12,966 --> 03:13:15,556
heard I just would like her to submit it to

2732
03:13:15,556 --> 03:13:19,006
the clerk clearly she was reading yet ... and therefore

2733
03:13:19,006 --> 03:13:21,646
it's written down and therefore I'd like to have it

2734
03:13:21,646 --> 03:13:23,966
in the record yes she would submit it to the

2735
03:13:23,966 --> 03:13:28,226
clerk so that we can I read it as well

2736
03:13:28,516 --> 03:13:29,676
later

2737
03:13:29,676 --> 03:13:31,876
and I must say I admire the picture in the

2738
03:13:31,876 --> 03:13:35,686
background although you'll never create a market like that Alexis

2739
03:13:35,686 --> 03:13:38,686
because we ain't got no amounts but everything else we're

2740
03:13:38,686 --> 03:13:41,366
trying to do thank you

2741
03:13:41,366 --> 03:13:45,586
now it a lane Ms Valentine a researcher is here

2742
03:13:45,616 --> 03:13:50,096
ready to go

2743
03:13:50,096 --> 03:13:54,986
hi there arm just give me one second yeah

2744
03:13:54,986 --> 03:13:58,826
see for her my name is Alan research

2745
03:13:58,826 --> 03:14:01,716
I'm the owner of kind yoga a small business that

2746
03:14:01,716 --> 03:14:03,766
is operated in mark and for the past five and

2747
03:14:03,766 --> 03:14:07,236
a half years I was raised on these agricultural lands

2748
03:14:07,236 --> 03:14:11,486
and was immensely privileged to have natural nature directly outside

2749
03:14:11,486 --> 03:14:12,896
my doorstep

2750
03:14:12,896 --> 03:14:16,146
giant trees and wild grasses as my please state whenever

2751
03:14:16,146 --> 03:14:19,706
I desired I think wrap these lands became so much

2752
03:14:19,706 --> 03:14:21,936
more than a playground he became where I got my

2753
03:14:21,936 --> 03:14:24,876
first job where I learned the value and satisfaction of

2754
03:14:24,876 --> 03:14:27,996
hard work the work that goes into growing harvesting and

2755
03:14:27,996 --> 03:14:30,556
delivering the food that nourishes me day in and day

2756
03:14:30,556 --> 03:14:32,126
out

2757
03:14:32,126 --> 03:14:35,176
at eighteen years old I left home and traveled explored

2758
03:14:35,176 --> 03:14:37,346
many corners of the world mesmerized by the beauty of

2759
03:14:37,346 --> 03:14:40,226
these places but deep down I miss home I miss

2760
03:14:40,226 --> 03:14:43,676
Ontario and our beautiful lush farmland in the powerful community

2761
03:14:43,676 --> 03:14:47,076
that exists within it sometimes it takes leading to realize

2762
03:14:47,076 --> 03:14:50,556
what you left behind I had spent time in places

2763
03:14:50,556 --> 03:14:53,306
where the soil is so dry and undernourished that food

2764
03:14:53,306 --> 03:14:56,656
is frighteningly scarce I saw places where clean water was

2765
03:14:56,656 --> 03:14:59,516
a luxurious expense and a resource that is not easily

2766
03:14:59,516 --> 03:15:03,376
accessed I saw places where communities are struggling day by

2767
03:15:03,376 --> 03:15:06,176
day make ends meet because of their lack of natural

2768
03:15:06,176 --> 03:15:07,756
resources

2769
03:15:07,756 --> 03:15:10,206
growing up my aunt and uncle always told me to

2770
03:15:10,206 --> 03:15:13,776
whom much is given much is expected and those words

2771
03:15:13,776 --> 03:15:16,366
have stuck like glue we stand on some of the

2772
03:15:16,366 --> 03:15:20,286
world's richest yet most endangered soil which provide which provides

2773
03:15:20,286 --> 03:15:25,196
the most basic human need food we must protect it

2774
03:15:25,196 --> 03:15:28,416
twenty sixteen census of agriculture reports at a hundred and

2775
03:15:28,416 --> 03:15:31,736
seventy five acres of workable farmland are lost every day

2776
03:15:31,736 --> 03:15:36,156
to development that's one average size farm vanishing every forty

2777
03:15:36,156 --> 03:15:40,346
eight hours many are unaware that tragically once developed or

2778
03:15:40,346 --> 03:15:44,036
converted to other uses farmland is permanently lost for agricultural

2779
03:15:44,036 --> 03:15:46,946
purposes for thousands of years

2780
03:15:46,946 --> 03:15:49,156
the loss of this land is an urgent issue issue

2781
03:15:49,596 --> 03:15:52,626
and due to the unsustainable urban expansion practices of the

2782
03:15:52,626 --> 03:15:56,136
past century much of the world's food producing soil has

2783
03:15:56,136 --> 03:16:00,356
been subject to sailing the station erosion drought flooding and

2784
03:16:00,356 --> 03:16:04,426
permanent degradation as concerns about climate change and the loss

2785
03:16:04,426 --> 03:16:08,076
of in the invaluable land escalate many worry about food

2786
03:16:08,076 --> 03:16:12,016
scarcity and many producing countries around the world are facing

2787
03:16:12,016 --> 03:16:15,906
the same pressures due to endangered farmland in a world

2788
03:16:15,906 --> 03:16:18,016
that is on the verge of a critical tipping point

2789
03:16:18,306 --> 03:16:22,376
of a global climate catastrophe supporting this and DO which

2790
03:16:22,376 --> 03:16:24,866
would destroy more of our land some of our country's

2791
03:16:24,866 --> 03:16:29,096
most valuable and would be a calamitous mistake another shameful

2792
03:16:29,096 --> 03:16:32,896
addition to our history textbooks we're running out of time

2793
03:16:33,126 --> 03:16:36,436
environmental scientists warned that humans have very little time meeting

2794
03:16:36,436 --> 03:16:39,226
to change our direction before the world as we know

2795
03:16:39,226 --> 03:16:43,036
it faces your reversible damage I speak on behalf of

2796
03:16:43,036 --> 03:16:46,256
my generation when I say that was beyond frightened of

2797
03:16:46,256 --> 03:16:51,096
the impending consequences of past generations environmental choices

2798
03:16:51,096 --> 03:16:53,476
over the past five and a half years two thousand

2799
03:16:53,476 --> 03:16:56,466
plus students out my yoga studio which is surrounded by

2800
03:16:56,466 --> 03:17:00,536
farm fields and nature's have connected with the lan experiences

2801
03:17:00,676 --> 03:17:05,076
experiencing it's healing capabilities they're becoming more passionate about its

2802
03:17:05,076 --> 03:17:08,256
importance as a result I speak for myself and our

2803
03:17:08,256 --> 03:17:10,336
community when I say that this land is a rare

2804
03:17:10,336 --> 03:17:14,106
gem increasingly more valuable as the struggle with climate change

2805
03:17:14,106 --> 03:17:18,066
worsens we live in a world of finite resources and

2806
03:17:18,066 --> 03:17:21,156
the long term damage to the Rouge river watershed and

2807
03:17:21,156 --> 03:17:23,496
our rich lands that we so heavily rely and will

2808
03:17:23,496 --> 03:17:27,786
cause your personal damage supporters of this Ms Addo CD's

2809
03:17:27,786 --> 03:17:31,136
rich lands located just outside the city as flashing neon

2810
03:17:31,136 --> 03:17:34,476
dollar signs choosing to turn their heads from looming environmental

2811
03:17:34,476 --> 03:17:37,986
consequences I speak from the perspective of someone from the

2812
03:17:37,986 --> 03:17:41,806
younger generation time is not in our favor but we

2813
03:17:41,806 --> 03:17:44,546
have just enough of it to fix mistakes and make

2814
03:17:44,546 --> 03:17:47,886
things right I urge you to make the logical and

2815
03:17:47,916 --> 03:17:51,926
ethical choice and refuses Ms auto and meeting believe protect

2816
03:17:51,926 --> 03:18:00,886
our farmland and watersheds for future generations thank you

2817
03:18:00,886 --> 03:18:04,436
regional council he I'm the same age I think she

2818
03:18:04,436 --> 03:18:07,286
has a written speech she gave a very well ...

2819
03:18:07,286 --> 03:18:08,926
and it was right in front of Ryan I don't

2820
03:18:08,956 --> 03:18:10,906
know but if she does I'd like to read it

2821
03:18:10,906 --> 03:18:14,346
again so do you have a written speech Alan yes

2822
03:18:14,686 --> 03:18:16,466
all then please give it and send it into the

2823
03:18:16,466 --> 03:18:19,706
clerk ... it was very good and birch I have

2824
03:18:19,706 --> 03:18:23,516
to ask who is your and local I. J. in

2825
03:18:23,516 --> 03:18:27,256
Merion research oh oh oh oh your I know him

2826
03:18:27,256 --> 03:18:28,926
well thank you

2827
03:18:28,926 --> 03:18:30,426
your uncle

2828
03:18:30,426 --> 03:18:36,896
next is Valerie Berkes

2829
03:18:36,896 --> 03:18:45,046
next

2830
03:18:45,046 --> 03:18:49,036
who should

2831
03:18:49,036 --> 03:18:53,096
she there

2832
03:18:53,096 --> 03:18:55,326
Valerie Berkey and their

2833
03:18:55,326 --> 03:18:57,366
we will catch up in a minute if you still

2834
03:18:57,366 --> 03:18:58,576
are

2835
03:18:58,576 --> 03:19:00,286
one of

2836
03:19:00,286 --> 03:19:04,736
what happened to 6

2837
03:19:04,736 --> 03:19:06,816
Maryland Ginsburg's

2838
03:19:06,816 --> 03:19:10,586
it's

2839
03:19:10,586 --> 03:19:13,546
hello regional councillor Jones can you save me I can

2840
03:19:13,546 --> 03:19:18,596
see your iPhone Maryland's iPhone I don't see your picture

2841
03:19:18,596 --> 03:19:23,606
I can hear you let me see

2842
03:19:23,606 --> 03:19:24,936
okay

2843
03:19:24,936 --> 03:19:26,686
now we can see

2844
03:19:26,686 --> 03:19:29,916
right thank you my name is Maryland Ginsburg I've lived

2845
03:19:29,916 --> 03:19:33,336
in Thornhill for thirty nine years I'm opposed to the

2846
03:19:33,336 --> 03:19:37,396
flood of development application for items that ... I understood

2847
03:19:37,396 --> 03:19:40,026
the reason for them on trying application it did not

2848
03:19:40,026 --> 03:19:41,306
oppose

2849
03:19:41,306 --> 03:19:43,746
having said that you could not have scheduled a more

2850
03:19:43,746 --> 03:19:47,866
dramatic contrast and to Ms that ... applications if you

2851
03:19:47,866 --> 03:19:49,806
tried

2852
03:19:49,806 --> 03:19:52,426
in my view there is one reason and only one

2853
03:19:52,426 --> 03:19:55,846
reason that any member of Markham council would focus in

2854
03:19:55,846 --> 03:19:58,706
favor of the slot allow publication

2855
03:19:58,706 --> 03:20:02,416
that is because water development is a local up standing

2856
03:20:02,416 --> 03:20:06,226
developer and is owned by a local civic minded nice

2857
03:20:06,226 --> 03:20:09,886
guy that is all this application has going for it

2858
03:20:10,626 --> 03:20:15,236
is not enough bands diminish and degrade the entire planning

2859
03:20:15,236 --> 03:20:19,416
protests of the city of Markham I hope not because

2860
03:20:19,416 --> 03:20:23,076
there are quite a few other upstanding local developers who

2861
03:20:23,076 --> 03:20:26,706
are civic minded nice guys just waiting in the wings

2862
03:20:26,706 --> 03:20:30,076
to see how this application is handled before they get

2863
03:20:30,076 --> 03:20:35,116
on the bandwagon and request their own themselves

2864
03:20:35,116 --> 03:20:39,216
so what does this application have against it everything else

2865
03:20:39,756 --> 03:20:42,836
to begin with it doesn't comply with the basic requirements

2866
03:20:42,866 --> 03:20:46,226
the minister so anymore the sounds that ... would not

2867
03:20:46,226 --> 03:20:49,846
be used to protect our facilitate matters of provincial interest

2868
03:20:50,116 --> 03:20:53,566
any more than any other housing development anywhere in Markham

2869
03:20:53,596 --> 03:20:56,246
or in the rest of Ontario in spite of the

2870
03:20:56,246 --> 03:21:01,146
developers now including what they're calling seniors rentals not good

2871
03:21:01,146 --> 03:21:04,526
enough we are not working which church still overall and

2872
03:21:04,526 --> 03:21:08,206
there is no critical time period for this development no

2873
03:21:08,206 --> 03:21:10,626
lost opportunity

2874
03:21:10,626 --> 03:21:14,486
after recognizing that the application simply does not comply with

2875
03:21:14,486 --> 03:21:17,626
the basic elements of it and said oh we move

2876
03:21:17,626 --> 03:21:19,596
on to some of the other reasons why it should

2877
03:21:19,596 --> 03:21:22,116
not be approved

2878
03:21:22,116 --> 03:21:25,256
as a matter rock American farmers stated in his written

2879
03:21:25,256 --> 03:21:30,436
submission the constant destruction of agricultural land for housing is

2880
03:21:30,436 --> 03:21:35,496
endangering Canada's food security and water quality and supply we

2881
03:21:35,496 --> 03:21:39,246
cannot continue to go blindly down this path and it

2882
03:21:39,246 --> 03:21:42,706
nor the effects it will have on future generations at

2883
03:21:42,706 --> 03:21:44,876
some point we have to begin to live up to

2884
03:21:44,876 --> 03:21:49,416
our responsibilities to them why not now

2885
03:21:49,416 --> 03:21:53,646
Mr rock also raised another excellent point where council approves

2886
03:21:53,646 --> 03:21:56,506
and Ms at all for this kind of project it

2887
03:21:56,506 --> 03:22:01,016
serves the developer but ignores the planners the environmentalists the

2888
03:22:01,016 --> 03:22:06,456
conservationist the agriculturalist and the rights of ordinary citizens who

2889
03:22:06,456 --> 03:22:10,016
voted you all into office in order to serve our

2890
03:22:10,016 --> 03:22:13,316
interests and plan our city in a way that makes

2891
03:22:13,316 --> 03:22:17,356
sense for all of us in the long run

2892
03:22:17,356 --> 03:22:20,076
what else would you have to ignore in order to

2893
03:22:20,076 --> 03:22:23,846
vote in favor of this application you'd have to ignore

2894
03:22:23,846 --> 03:22:27,976
the York region official plan two thousand ten the Markham

2895
03:22:28,006 --> 03:22:32,726
official plan two thousand fourteen the local zoning bylaw and

2896
03:22:32,726 --> 03:22:36,396
the recommendations of your own planning staff

2897
03:22:36,396 --> 03:22:39,016
Furthermore you would have to ignore the very definition and

2898
03:22:39,016 --> 03:22:41,096
purpose of planning

2899
03:22:41,096 --> 03:22:44,176
this application that you have before you has nothing to

2900
03:22:44,176 --> 03:22:47,446
do with planning this is what you're planning staff is

2901
03:22:47,446 --> 03:22:51,546
trying to tell you this is reacting the residents of

2902
03:22:51,546 --> 03:22:56,516
Markham elected you to plan responsibly for our future not

2903
03:22:56,516 --> 03:23:00,206
to react favorably to every Ms auto application that every

2904
03:23:00,206 --> 03:23:04,316
nice developer brings before you as the deputation by the

2905
03:23:04,316 --> 03:23:08,796
Unionville residents association said this is spot zoning and I

2906
03:23:08,796 --> 03:23:12,956
might add sponsoring of the worst kind

2907
03:23:12,956 --> 03:23:16,236
over the past several years Markham council and many other

2908
03:23:16,236 --> 03:23:21,126
municipalities have strongly objected when the province increased the use

2909
03:23:21,126 --> 03:23:24,756
of Ms ... does when it increased the authority of

2910
03:23:24,756 --> 03:23:29,216
the local planning appeals tribunal when it diminish the authority

2911
03:23:29,216 --> 03:23:33,206
of the Toronto region conservation authority and when the province

2912
03:23:33,206 --> 03:23:37,436
decrease the required park land allotment for each new housing

2913
03:23:37,436 --> 03:23:42,006
development and why did you object to these changes

2914
03:23:42,006 --> 03:23:45,736
because they all decrease your ability to plan your sit

2915
03:23:45,866 --> 03:23:47,736
these future

2916
03:23:47,736 --> 03:23:50,636
if you approve this new flat ... Ms Addo you

2917
03:23:50,636 --> 03:23:54,936
diminish your own authority to plan when you lose you

2918
03:23:54,936 --> 03:23:59,826
then lose credibility with your residence and Markham's residents associations

2919
03:24:00,236 --> 03:24:04,236
because we see the inconsistency you cannot object when the

2920
03:24:04,236 --> 03:24:08,956
province diminishes your authority to plan and then intentionally and

2921
03:24:08,956 --> 03:24:11,886
publicly do it yourself

2922
03:24:11,886 --> 03:24:16,136
make no mistake this application is as one of the

2923
03:24:16,296 --> 03:24:20,186
previous doctor Chen said the financial the wedge a future

2924
03:24:20,216 --> 03:24:24,246
Ms that ... applications for developers who want to avoid

2925
03:24:24,246 --> 03:24:28,586
the cost house bill and delay admittedly that is involved

2926
03:24:28,586 --> 03:24:33,326
in allowing you to actually use your authority and exercise

2927
03:24:33,326 --> 03:24:37,796
your responsibility as elected officials to plan for the long

2928
03:24:37,796 --> 03:24:41,956
term and sustainable future of our city

2929
03:24:41,956 --> 03:24:45,376
I agree with the mayor the planning process has problems

2930
03:24:45,716 --> 03:24:48,476
but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater

2931
03:24:48,986 --> 03:24:51,816
I urge you to stick with the plan and turning

2932
03:24:51,816 --> 03:24:56,986
down this application thank you for your attention

2933
03:24:56,986 --> 03:25:08,026
questions aha Matthew rock

2934
03:25:08,026 --> 03:25:12,406
good afternoon Mr chairman here me yes we can't

2935
03:25:12,406 --> 03:25:14,546
my name is not rock

2936
03:25:14,546 --> 03:25:17,036
I would like to address the chair and mayor in

2937
03:25:17,036 --> 03:25:20,466
council

2938
03:25:20,466 --> 03:25:24,936
I'm a farmer Martin I'm a lifelong Markham resident

2939
03:25:24,936 --> 03:25:26,966
and I intend of farm market for the next fifty

2940
03:25:26,966 --> 03:25:29,016
years

2941
03:25:29,016 --> 03:25:31,856
I heard you do not endorse most recent and then

2942
03:25:31,856 --> 03:25:34,676
a request by flight of Development think

2943
03:25:34,676 --> 03:25:38,666
this land is upon the roof watershed minutes on class

2944
03:25:38,666 --> 03:25:41,266
one form and

2945
03:25:41,266 --> 03:25:46,126
it's agricultural land that feeds Aspin underpins our economy

2946
03:25:46,126 --> 03:25:49,266
contrary to public perception Austin park land is a scarce

2947
03:25:49,266 --> 03:25:55,576
resource and we're losing farmland at alarming rates

2948
03:25:55,576 --> 03:26:02,936
the agricultural industry represents nearly half of the Ontario economy

2949
03:26:02,936 --> 03:26:06,046
and development on farmland is the most imminent threat to

2950
03:26:06,046 --> 03:26:09,536
the security of our food and to our economy

2951
03:26:09,536 --> 03:26:12,786
from 1996 to 2016

2952
03:26:12,786 --> 03:26:15,926
Ontario lost one point five million acres of farmland to

2953
03:26:15,926 --> 03:26:19,606
development

2954
03:26:19,606 --> 03:26:22,076
we are of the minuscule

2955
03:26:22,076 --> 03:26:24,556
of the seven billion people on earth who have access

2956
03:26:24,556 --> 03:26:27,576
to clean fresh water

2957
03:26:27,576 --> 03:26:30,256
as we March forward in the twenty first century the

2958
03:26:30,256 --> 03:26:33,966
value of our freshwater resources cannot be understated

2959
03:26:33,966 --> 03:26:35,776
the world knows this

2960
03:26:35,776 --> 03:26:39,976
lane twenty twenty water features BKN trading on the Chicago

2961
03:26:39,976 --> 03:26:43,196
mercantile exchange

2962
03:26:43,196 --> 03:26:47,606
this move indicates the first commodification of water and the

2963
03:26:47,606 --> 03:26:51,286
recognition of the increasing scarcity of clean water in this

2964
03:26:51,286 --> 03:26:52,846
world

2965
03:26:52,846 --> 03:26:57,016
the lands of concern carry significant identifiers including source water

2966
03:26:57,016 --> 03:26:58,706
protection areas

2967
03:26:58,706 --> 03:27:05,486
significant groundwater recharge areas and highly highly vulnerable aquifers

2968
03:27:05,486 --> 03:27:11,336
downlands forested wetlands are crucial in the recharge

2969
03:27:11,336 --> 03:27:14,616
about can you hear me OK

2970
03:27:14,616 --> 03:27:16,216
yes

2971
03:27:16,216 --> 03:27:21,496
yes we can you hear me OK Bustos thank you

2972
03:27:21,496 --> 03:27:24,656
Thurman's forests and wetlands are crucial in the recharge of

2973
03:27:24,656 --> 03:27:29,056
aquifers and the safeguard of our watersheds

2974
03:27:29,056 --> 03:27:32,186
last year in keeping with Martin's official plan market began

2975
03:27:32,216 --> 03:27:36,356
at approximately three thousand acre residential development

2976
03:27:36,356 --> 03:27:39,766
this development constitutes a major to loss of class when

2977
03:27:39,766 --> 03:27:44,546
farmland in the critical impact on sensitive watershed areas

2978
03:27:44,546 --> 03:27:47,096
of these developments zones are known as the Angus one

2979
03:27:47,746 --> 03:27:50,616
the person land the Robinson landed Act for England blocks

2980
03:27:50,686 --> 03:27:54,016
the land stretches from Woodbine Avenue to Macau Roque ...

2981
03:27:54,016 --> 03:27:58,266
major mackenzie drive north Elgin mills road it constitutes the

2982
03:27:58,266 --> 03:28:02,766
majority of three major American blocks hundred twenty million square

2983
03:28:02,766 --> 03:28:04,626
feet

2984
03:28:04,626 --> 03:28:08,656
and or 12 square corners of my concern

2985
03:28:08,656 --> 03:28:12,856
and those are not consistent with markings official plan estate

2986
03:28:12,856 --> 03:28:16,686
sustainable and complete communities and zero compromise their ... planning

2987
03:28:16,686 --> 03:28:21,016
processes and practices and zero circumvent public engagement and this

2988
03:28:21,016 --> 03:28:26,016
indicates that citizens scientists and planners input is not considered

2989
03:28:26,056 --> 03:28:29,216
in it's not important

2990
03:28:29,216 --> 03:28:32,306
this and that ... will compromise their crash water little

2991
03:28:32,306 --> 03:28:36,876
compromise our food security and ... compromise our

2992
03:28:36,876 --> 03:28:41,146
the need for short term gain will permanently destroy

2993
03:28:41,146 --> 03:28:44,576
Mr Sparling administer fresh water

2994
03:28:44,576 --> 03:28:47,316
we need to think about long term investments

2995
03:28:47,316 --> 03:28:50,546
please adopt a staff recommendation and notify the minister of

2996
03:28:50,546 --> 03:28:54,776
housing and municipal affairs as well as MPP Paul Calandra

2997
03:28:54,956 --> 03:28:57,366
that this and that I was on welcome and not

2998
03:28:57,396 --> 03:29:01,986
in keeping with markets growth strategy thank you

2999
03:29:01,986 --> 03:29:14,586
next is a Richard Reese are

3000
03:29:15,496 --> 03:29:20,746
you can see here okay I'm here yeah good afternoon

3001
03:29:20,746 --> 03:29:24,186
okay

3002
03:29:24,186 --> 03:29:25,596
go ahead

3003
03:29:25,596 --> 03:29:29,696
Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor council town staff and administrative support

3004
03:29:29,696 --> 03:29:31,626
staff

3005
03:29:31,626 --> 03:29:34,636
I appreciate the work you do is elected representatives and

3006
03:29:34,636 --> 03:29:37,096
public servants

3007
03:29:37,096 --> 03:29:39,326
I recognize that the way to the office is heavy

3008
03:29:39,326 --> 03:29:42,786
in difficult times and faced with difficult issues

3009
03:29:42,786 --> 03:29:45,896
you for your service

3010
03:29:45,896 --> 03:29:48,386
I recently learned of the MTO request by flight or

3011
03:29:48,386 --> 03:29:53,266
developments for properties on nineteenth Avenue east of McAllen

3012
03:29:53,266 --> 03:29:56,316
I'm speaking today to voice some concerns and to raise

3013
03:29:56,316 --> 03:29:58,556
some questions

3014
03:29:58,556 --> 03:30:01,226
I will first introduce myself

3015
03:30:01,226 --> 03:30:03,456
I am writing as a partner in a farm business

3016
03:30:03,456 --> 03:30:08,686
based in Markham style area our farming operation produces crops

3017
03:30:08,716 --> 03:30:13,396
on multiple properties within Markham and York region and elsewhere

3018
03:30:13,396 --> 03:30:16,416
in southwestern Ontario

3019
03:30:16,416 --> 03:30:20,236
and so the stir United States we primarily produce fresh

3020
03:30:20,236 --> 03:30:22,186
market vegetables

3021
03:30:22,186 --> 03:30:24,686
no doubt many of you have consumed some of my

3022
03:30:24,686 --> 03:30:26,556
products

3023
03:30:26,556 --> 03:30:28,716
I will I'd also that for number of years I

3024
03:30:28,716 --> 03:30:33,686
served the town in Markham on the agricultural advisory committee

3025
03:30:33,686 --> 03:30:37,756
I have an interesting public policy and in particular through

3026
03:30:37,756 --> 03:30:38,886
it

3027
03:30:38,886 --> 03:30:41,996
and sustainable food systems policy

3028
03:30:41,996 --> 03:30:44,536
so it is through this lens that I won't comment

3029
03:30:44,536 --> 03:30:46,236
today

3030
03:30:46,236 --> 03:30:49,076
I would like to add a disclosure

3031
03:30:49,076 --> 03:30:52,366
I'm speaking today as an individual with a long history

3032
03:30:52,556 --> 03:30:56,016
of farming in the community

3033
03:30:56,016 --> 03:30:58,486
I also have a relationship with the lands in question

3034
03:30:58,486 --> 03:31:01,536
due to a family connections with the previous farming family

3035
03:31:02,076 --> 03:31:04,746
N. as a farmer on the land in question in

3036
03:31:04,746 --> 03:31:08,406
recent years I also the farm properties in Markham one

3037
03:31:08,406 --> 03:31:11,826
by the town so I have an interesting maintaining farmlands

3038
03:31:11,826 --> 03:31:15,936
within mark although I would argue my interest in maintaining

3039
03:31:15,936 --> 03:31:21,486
Farmington market are not financially related

3040
03:31:21,486 --> 03:31:23,346
I'm sure many of you have been made aware of

3041
03:31:23,346 --> 03:31:27,456
the classification of the remaining farmlands within markets namely that

3042
03:31:27,456 --> 03:31:30,846
they are primarily class one and class two farm lands

3043
03:31:31,346 --> 03:31:34,766
these types of land are characterized as having good natural

3044
03:31:34,766 --> 03:31:40,076
fertility Armacell type that is not drone drug problem and

3045
03:31:40,076 --> 03:31:43,966
the lands are naturally sloped providing good natural drainage without

3046
03:31:43,996 --> 03:31:47,036
being at risk of erosion

3047
03:31:47,036 --> 03:31:50,806
by and large this describes a property being considered for

3048
03:31:50,806 --> 03:31:53,146
development

3049
03:31:53,146 --> 03:31:55,086
there are other features to mark and farm land that

3050
03:31:55,086 --> 03:31:57,786
are less likely to be appreciated

3051
03:31:57,786 --> 03:32:01,266
as a former operating across the white production area I

3052
03:32:01,266 --> 03:32:04,446
have the privilege to be able to manage crops across

3053
03:32:04,446 --> 03:32:08,856
a wide range of soil types implemented conditions

3054
03:32:08,856 --> 03:32:13,326
based on this experience I can say without reservation

3055
03:32:13,326 --> 03:32:16,606
at the farm lands contain within working among are among

3056
03:32:16,606 --> 03:32:18,346
the best I farm

3057
03:32:18,346 --> 03:32:21,316
this is due to soil type it also has to

3058
03:32:21,316 --> 03:32:24,266
do with a moderate

3059
03:32:24,266 --> 03:32:27,726
excuse me Sir

3060
03:32:27,726 --> 03:32:29,806
has to do with the moderating effects of the Great

3061
03:32:29,806 --> 03:32:33,406
Lakes that surround our growing region

3062
03:32:33,406 --> 03:32:35,196
the lakes provide

3063
03:32:35,196 --> 03:32:40,286
last year for regular rainfall making irrigation and necessary

3064
03:32:40,286 --> 03:32:44,136
additionally the lakes provide a barrier that keeps airborne tests

3065
03:32:44,136 --> 03:32:46,706
from coming into our region from the southern U. S.

3066
03:32:47,346 --> 03:32:51,996
and therefore minimizing the need for either synthetic or botanical

3067
03:32:52,266 --> 03:32:56,246
pest control in short marking lands can produce high yielding

3068
03:32:56,246 --> 03:33:01,166
crops of high quality with the fewest resources

3069
03:33:01,166 --> 03:33:04,226
this is why I am interested in this issue in

3070
03:33:04,226 --> 03:33:08,386
the end C. O. application before us

3071
03:33:08,386 --> 03:33:11,236
in light of these factors I will eventually be questions

3072
03:33:11,236 --> 03:33:13,066
for you to consider

3073
03:33:13,066 --> 03:33:14,466
one

3074
03:33:14,466 --> 03:33:18,896
have you considered the local environment environmental impact of removing

3075
03:33:18,896 --> 03:33:24,016
in perpetuity high quality land which provides ecosystem services and

3076
03:33:24,016 --> 03:33:28,316
naturally produces high quality crops for our community

3077
03:33:28,316 --> 03:33:30,656
question to

3078
03:33:30,656 --> 03:33:33,966
have you considered the larger environmental questions related to climate

3079
03:33:33,966 --> 03:33:38,106
change namely that by removing highly productive land in mark

3080
03:33:38,106 --> 03:33:42,446
and you are all things being equal transferring agricultural production

3081
03:33:42,446 --> 03:33:46,936
to region of the world not currently in agricultural production

3082
03:33:46,936 --> 03:33:49,296
it is most likely that the lands needed to be

3083
03:33:49,296 --> 03:33:54,036
brought into production are either tropical forests rangelands these are

3084
03:33:54,036 --> 03:33:57,886
lands containing substantial carbon sinks both in the trees covering

3085
03:33:57,886 --> 03:34:01,476
the lands

3086
03:34:01,476 --> 03:34:05,366
and his style organic matter present in the soil's carbon

3087
03:34:05,366 --> 03:34:08,696
sinks that will be released into the environment exacerbating the

3088
03:34:08,696 --> 03:34:12,256
problems associated with climate change

3089
03:34:12,256 --> 03:34:17,356
question three have you considered the opportunities keeping the Markham

3090
03:34:17,356 --> 03:34:22,156
farmlands and agricultural production have for both economic activity and

3091
03:34:22,156 --> 03:34:26,136
the social well being of your credit and your citizens

3092
03:34:26,136 --> 03:34:27,846
question for

3093
03:34:27,846 --> 03:34:32,416
have you done an analysis which considers the economic environmental

3094
03:34:32,686 --> 03:34:37,116
and social benefits to estimate the net present value and

3095
03:34:37,116 --> 03:34:40,686
keeping the land in agriculture compared to developing it and

3096
03:34:40,686 --> 03:34:44,656
destroying it in perpetuity

3097
03:34:44,656 --> 03:34:47,356
I will summarize by asking what is the rush to

3098
03:34:47,356 --> 03:34:49,116
decide

3099
03:34:49,116 --> 03:34:55,606
I encourage you to take some time to reflect

3100
03:34:55,606 --> 03:34:58,776
Martin soils and nursed my family and the wider American

3101
03:34:58,776 --> 03:35:00,716
community for

3102
03:35:00,716 --> 03:35:01,226
well over

3103
03:35:01,226 --> 03:35:03,926
200 years

3104
03:35:03,926 --> 03:35:05,106
all

3105
03:35:05,106 --> 03:35:08,176
before that the same soils provided food security for the

3106
03:35:08,176 --> 03:35:16,836
wind that makes and populated region

3107
03:35:16,836 --> 03:35:18,546
as a council

3108
03:35:18,546 --> 03:35:20,466
you're in position to make a decision that will have

3109
03:35:20,496 --> 03:35:23,106
everlasting consequence

3110
03:35:23,106 --> 03:35:28,766
I urge you to take your time choose wisely

3111
03:35:28,766 --> 03:35:31,486
thank you for the opportunity to share my concerns thanks

3112
03:35:31,516 --> 03:35:33,186
thanks for your

3113
03:35:33,186 --> 03:35:37,346
I guess another another recent generation

3114
03:35:37,346 --> 03:35:39,076
open normal

3115
03:35:39,076 --> 03:35:40,106
Mr

3116
03:35:40,106 --> 03:35:44,526
regional councillor eight ... thank you right I don't know

3117
03:35:44,526 --> 03:35:47,816
if Richard sent in his comments I know the previous

3118
03:35:47,816 --> 03:35:51,366
speaker hats ... ... I don't what Richard did you

3119
03:35:51,366 --> 03:35:54,676
send in the comments or your because clearly you're reading

3120
03:35:54,676 --> 03:35:58,866
something and it's very important but agriculture ... yes you

3121
03:35:59,276 --> 03:36:03,076
haven't said that in the clerk yes senator the clerk

3122
03:36:03,076 --> 03:36:06,796
I'd appreciate that thank you

3123
03:36:06,796 --> 03:36:11,176
okay thanks Richard Jack Reacher

3124
03:36:11,176 --> 03:36:13,736
it's

3125
03:36:13,736 --> 03:36:16,156
thank you for the opportunity to speak today can everybody

3126
03:36:16,156 --> 03:36:18,246
hear me okay I can hear you but I don't

3127
03:36:18,246 --> 03:36:22,896
know we are I see it now okay ... I

3128
03:36:22,896 --> 03:36:25,336
would like to speak up for the city

3129
03:36:25,336 --> 03:36:28,286
even though council does not have the pecuniary interest in

3130
03:36:28,286 --> 03:36:32,026
the development project I feel like the city does the

3131
03:36:32,026 --> 03:36:35,286
city has signed contracts with water developments force once you

3132
03:36:35,286 --> 03:36:37,476
have a flatter market view perhaps some of the things

3133
03:36:37,476 --> 03:36:40,326
that I'm not aware off and these contracts are not

3134
03:36:40,326 --> 03:36:42,276
insignificant

3135
03:36:42,276 --> 03:36:44,816
on the fire I understand it correctly that the city

3136
03:36:44,816 --> 03:36:47,986
will receive over two million dollars on over the course

3137
03:36:47,986 --> 03:36:50,506
of the contracts ... correct me if I'm wrong on

3138
03:36:50,506 --> 03:36:53,256
any of these things so this being the case I

3139
03:36:53,256 --> 03:36:56,216
believe it is inappropriate for the city to receive applications

3140
03:36:56,216 --> 03:36:59,666
replied of Development at this time while being a beneficiary

3141
03:36:59,666 --> 03:37:02,876
of Saddam's generosity of the city

3142
03:37:02,876 --> 03:37:05,826
... to avoid any hint of conflict of interest I

3143
03:37:05,826 --> 03:37:10,096
would encourage plateau to consider making their generous contributions in

3144
03:37:10,096 --> 03:37:13,146
other ways in the community I feel really strongly that

3145
03:37:13,146 --> 03:37:16,896
for our flagship to be ... giving money to the

3146
03:37:16,896 --> 03:37:19,186
city for very good things and then coming to the

3147
03:37:19,186 --> 03:37:23,536
city for ...

3148
03:37:23,536 --> 03:37:27,646
favors not a favor by making significant request of the

3149
03:37:27,646 --> 03:37:30,306
of the of the city I think that it's

3150
03:37:30,306 --> 03:37:34,496
inappropriate and ... I want to encourage flagyl and thank

3151
03:37:34,496 --> 03:37:36,346
them for their generosity but I think it makes for

3152
03:37:36,346 --> 03:37:39,246
a very difficult decision for council so for the above

3153
03:37:39,246 --> 03:37:42,286
mentioned reason I would encourage you expect council to reject

3154
03:37:42,286 --> 03:37:46,436
this application and to follow staff's advice three gardens application

3155
03:37:46,436 --> 03:37:49,256
continue the plan growth in the bottom of the market

3156
03:37:49,256 --> 03:37:51,316
is known for

3157
03:37:51,316 --> 03:37:54,486
so thanks yup to speak today and ... to Mary

3158
03:37:54,486 --> 03:37:59,026
counsel if you continue to make important decisions ... in

3159
03:37:59,026 --> 03:38:02,686
very challenging times thanks very much

3160
03:38:02,686 --> 03:38:05,426
okay thank you

3161
03:38:05,426 --> 03:38:08,896
I have the lawyer from Dentons if she wants to

3162
03:38:08,896 --> 03:38:11,676
say anything more and then secure and then we'll go

3163
03:38:11,676 --> 03:38:20,636
to lunch this

3164
03:38:20,636 --> 03:38:23,076
thank you Mr chair ... I defer to Mister ram

3165
03:38:23,076 --> 03:38:24,796
a to let this time since I did have an

3166
03:38:24,796 --> 03:38:30,656
opportunity to speak unless there are specific questions for me

3167
03:38:30,656 --> 03:38:34,426
so she here with your permission I would just basically

3168
03:38:34,426 --> 03:38:37,496
first of all like to thank each and every one

3169
03:38:37,496 --> 03:38:42,216
who spoke and I respect all over their concerns ...

3170
03:38:42,246 --> 03:38:46,536
I believe in farming I believe in farms I believe

3171
03:38:46,706 --> 03:38:51,036
everybody in everybody doing business to raise their family all

3172
03:38:51,036 --> 03:38:54,216
have to work everybody has their own way of ...

3173
03:38:54,536 --> 03:38:57,826
earning money somebody's a farmer somebody's a doctor somebody's under

3174
03:38:57,826 --> 03:39:00,846
somebody works at Tim Horton's somebody is going to be

3175
03:39:00,846 --> 03:39:04,216
building communities we all have our own things we respect

3176
03:39:04,216 --> 03:39:09,246
everybody as far as trees and Rouge and environment is

3177
03:39:09,246 --> 03:39:13,196
concerned I think I am very very very big supporter

3178
03:39:13,196 --> 03:39:17,536
of the trees the environment and the green spaces if

3179
03:39:17,536 --> 03:39:20,436
you can see on the plan you have to look

3180
03:39:20,436 --> 03:39:24,946
at it very carefully a lot of land surrounding this

3181
03:39:24,976 --> 03:39:28,776
... proposed a community which is like very very very

3182
03:39:28,776 --> 03:39:30,866
small if you look at it ... the over plan

3183
03:39:30,866 --> 03:39:34,746
of the city of Markham eight it's like it's protected

3184
03:39:34,746 --> 03:39:37,676
by a green belt we're not requesting the province or

3185
03:39:37,676 --> 03:39:40,536
anyone to touch the green belt we're not proposing anything

3186
03:39:40,536 --> 03:39:42,216
on the green belt

3187
03:39:42,216 --> 03:39:46,106
this green belt was studied by the province and Bambi's

3188
03:39:46,106 --> 03:39:49,396
lines were drawn up and we're respecting them the city

3189
03:39:49,396 --> 03:39:52,536
of Markham has commented on the natural heritage system they

3190
03:39:52,536 --> 03:39:56,516
have the the Markham Green Bay plan if you look

3191
03:39:56,516 --> 03:39:59,286
at on our on our proposal the line ... which

3192
03:39:59,286 --> 03:40:02,956
we believe is smaller than what the town is proposing

3193
03:40:03,246 --> 03:40:05,996
so we're respecting what the city of Markham is proposed

3194
03:40:06,176 --> 03:40:08,186
because we know all the city of Markham has done

3195
03:40:08,186 --> 03:40:11,556
a lot of work they have a hard environmental experts

3196
03:40:11,856 --> 03:40:15,006
and they must have studied this for a long time

3197
03:40:15,006 --> 03:40:17,346
which I know the date and then the lines were

3198
03:40:17,346 --> 03:40:20,586
drawn so we respecting them as far as working with

3199
03:40:20,586 --> 03:40:24,066
the with the city and their trees ... and all

3200
03:40:24,066 --> 03:40:25,796
those things we are going to be working with the

3201
03:40:25,796 --> 03:40:29,996
tier CA one hundred percent the application which was approved

3202
03:40:29,996 --> 03:40:32,876
by the city of Markham in our first ... Ms

3203
03:40:32,876 --> 03:40:38,626
that'll in Markham ... ... last year we ... tron

3204
03:40:38,626 --> 03:40:40,716
is the city of Markham and that's exactly what we

3205
03:40:40,716 --> 03:40:42,956
have done that we would come in for a draft

3206
03:40:42,956 --> 03:40:47,366
plan ... application I am of subdivision which we have

3207
03:40:47,366 --> 03:40:49,836
done and then we are going to have a statutory

3208
03:40:49,836 --> 03:40:52,156
public meeting through which we are going to listen to

3209
03:40:52,186 --> 03:40:55,566
each and everyone in the general public which we have

3210
03:40:55,566 --> 03:40:57,566
done so we have a we have completed all the

3211
03:40:57,566 --> 03:41:00,216
studies we had a pre consultation meeting after the ministers

3212
03:41:00,216 --> 03:41:03,226
on an order was issued we had a public we

3213
03:41:03,256 --> 03:41:05,696
we had a complete consultation meeting we were required to

3214
03:41:05,696 --> 03:41:09,106
do a number of studies which we have done ...

3215
03:41:09,106 --> 03:41:11,566
including an environmental study we met with the T. R.

3216
03:41:11,566 --> 03:41:15,586
C. A. R. consultants our staff we all met with

3217
03:41:15,586 --> 03:41:18,106
with the DRC A. we walk the site and the

3218
03:41:18,106 --> 03:41:20,286
tears you came back and said no no guys you

3219
03:41:20,286 --> 03:41:22,196
need doing trees a little bit of a buffer over

3220
03:41:22,196 --> 03:41:24,526
here we lost a few homes over there we said

3221
03:41:24,526 --> 03:41:27,116
fine because we respected we have to work with everyone

3222
03:41:27,526 --> 03:41:30,476
so we are not touching any language is in the

3223
03:41:30,476 --> 03:41:32,426
green belt or would just protected by the city of

3224
03:41:32,426 --> 03:41:35,986
Markham or by the province yes if you're building yes

3225
03:41:35,986 --> 03:41:37,786
we're gonna build on our own lands but we are

3226
03:41:37,786 --> 03:41:41,116
not affecting any farm land which is owned by anyone

3227
03:41:41,116 --> 03:41:43,866
else and I respect all the farmers out there I

3228
03:41:43,866 --> 03:41:46,046
respect and I like you guys keep on doing what

3229
03:41:46,046 --> 03:41:48,616
you guys are doing because you feed you feed us

3230
03:41:48,876 --> 03:41:51,136
like I do my job you do your job the

3231
03:41:51,136 --> 03:41:53,416
dentist will do their job the doctor will do their

3232
03:41:53,416 --> 03:41:56,826
job we all need different professions to do their things

3233
03:41:57,146 --> 03:42:00,696
so I respect all of you guys I respect all

3234
03:42:00,696 --> 03:42:02,556
of your comments we are going to work with the

3235
03:42:03,126 --> 03:42:05,886
with the city and with the tier CA and with

3236
03:42:05,886 --> 03:42:09,476
the region once the ministers on orders approved we are

3237
03:42:09,476 --> 03:42:11,596
just getting the designation we have to come back to

3238
03:42:11,596 --> 03:42:14,496
the city for a pre consultation meeting and then the

3239
03:42:14,496 --> 03:42:17,206
city will tell us do these ten or twelve studies

3240
03:42:17,206 --> 03:42:20,326
will do those studies Dan will have to post a

3241
03:42:20,326 --> 03:42:23,746
board on the sign on the site of what we're

3242
03:42:23,746 --> 03:42:26,196
proposing the end there will be a statutory public meeting

3243
03:42:26,196 --> 03:42:28,156
at that time then people will come in they will

3244
03:42:28,156 --> 03:42:30,236
go to the DSE then it will come back to

3245
03:42:30,236 --> 03:42:32,926
the council then we'll come back to be Essien council

3246
03:42:32,926 --> 03:42:37,096
again for the site plan applications so that's the process

3247
03:42:37,096 --> 03:42:39,866
we will be going through and then the major major

3248
03:42:39,866 --> 03:42:42,056
major thing I would just like to clarify maybe some

3249
03:42:42,056 --> 03:42:44,436
of the speakers ... and some of the people may

3250
03:42:44,436 --> 03:42:47,586
not know is that this development and bees drawings are

3251
03:42:47,586 --> 03:42:51,166
not doing the justice because store will has developments planned

3252
03:42:51,526 --> 03:42:55,936
along highway forty eight between nineteen th Avenue and stole

3253
03:42:55,936 --> 03:42:58,156
will wrote there's going to be a lot of developments

3254
03:42:58,156 --> 03:43:01,146
coming by a lot of different companies and they have

3255
03:43:01,286 --> 03:43:04,716
amazing plans so this is going to be connected this

3256
03:43:04,716 --> 03:43:08,596
proposed parcel is going to be connected to the approved

3257
03:43:08,626 --> 03:43:11,946
development so the roads are going to get connected there's

3258
03:43:11,946 --> 03:43:14,376
a lot of great things happening over here there's going

3259
03:43:14,376 --> 03:43:15,976
to be a community park

3260
03:43:15,976 --> 03:43:19,286
... install bill we are proposing to more parks there's

3261
03:43:19,286 --> 03:43:22,816
gonna be a community center a new community center in

3262
03:43:22,816 --> 03:43:24,806
the town of stole bill which is gonna be walking

3263
03:43:24,806 --> 03:43:28,496
distance from this site so we are not looking to

3264
03:43:28,496 --> 03:43:31,306
work all the benefits and all the things that's going

3265
03:43:31,306 --> 03:43:35,056
to provide benefits is one thing but the major justification

3266
03:43:35,056 --> 03:43:38,286
over here and it is that it's can it's continuous

3267
03:43:38,286 --> 03:43:43,216
it's continuous development to the existing proposed approved not proposed

3268
03:43:43,216 --> 03:43:46,616
to the approved community so we're not just going out

3269
03:43:46,766 --> 03:43:49,376
there in the middle of nowhere and just building homes

3270
03:43:49,756 --> 03:43:53,286
we are going to be building a community we're not

3271
03:43:53,286 --> 03:43:55,396
just building homes we're gonna help Parks we're gonna have

3272
03:43:55,396 --> 03:43:59,476
seniors housing seniors housing which is going to be ...

3273
03:43:59,476 --> 03:44:01,396
which is gonna of amenities for the seniors it's gonna

3274
03:44:01,396 --> 03:44:04,146
be purpose built rental for the seniors we are going

3275
03:44:04,146 --> 03:44:06,126
to have town homes which are going to be twenty

3276
03:44:06,126 --> 03:44:10,066
three foot wide ... and ... and and up to

3277
03:44:10,066 --> 03:44:12,036
twenty six foot white so that they can have a

3278
03:44:12,036 --> 03:44:15,666
secondary suite on the main floor the single detached homes

3279
03:44:15,916 --> 03:44:18,446
... ... ... up the twenty five percent of the

3280
03:44:18,446 --> 03:44:21,026
homes will point bedrooms on the main floor so that

3281
03:44:21,056 --> 03:44:24,206
they can be accommodated ... with the seniors we're gonna

3282
03:44:24,206 --> 03:44:27,616
have ... we're going to respect the seniors guidelines which

3283
03:44:27,616 --> 03:44:30,266
I understand the city Markham it is developing such as

3284
03:44:30,296 --> 03:44:33,616
... making sure that the entrance steps are flush to

3285
03:44:33,616 --> 03:44:36,326
the ground there's many many many things that we are

3286
03:44:36,326 --> 03:44:38,206
proposing and I think we should take this as a

3287
03:44:38,206 --> 03:44:41,286
big opportunity the guys what we can do over here

3288
03:44:41,286 --> 03:44:44,346
how we can work together when we have Province listening

3289
03:44:44,346 --> 03:44:47,646
to us this is writing over time we all talk

3290
03:44:47,646 --> 03:44:51,866
about housing crisis we all talk about doing this we

3291
03:44:51,866 --> 03:44:54,536
all talk about seniors housing how we can help the

3292
03:44:54,536 --> 03:44:57,696
seniors how we can provide affordable housing now when we

3293
03:44:57,696 --> 03:45:00,516
have this opportunity guys we all have to work together

3294
03:45:00,776 --> 03:45:04,116
city market was blessed with amazing councillors with the women

3295
03:45:04,146 --> 03:45:06,986
with great staff members I think we're all smart people

3296
03:45:06,986 --> 03:45:09,336
over here we can work out a plan it through

3297
03:45:09,336 --> 03:45:13,236
which we can respond to do housing crisis city of

3298
03:45:13,236 --> 03:45:15,816
Markham last week had this ...

3299
03:45:15,816 --> 03:45:19,016
meeting and and staff spoke well and I heard councillor

3300
03:45:19,016 --> 03:45:22,136
speaking as well that there's a requirement for affordable housing

3301
03:45:22,526 --> 03:45:25,346
there's there's requirement for seniors housing how we can make

3302
03:45:25,346 --> 03:45:28,216
things affordable but if council is not gonna be making

3303
03:45:28,216 --> 03:45:31,736
these bold decisions on how we are going to to

3304
03:45:31,736 --> 03:45:34,706
be able to address these are these concerns and I

3305
03:45:34,706 --> 03:45:37,736
respect the stuff the stuff was supposed to write this

3306
03:45:37,736 --> 03:45:40,876
that they cannot support this application because we don't have

3307
03:45:40,876 --> 03:45:44,586
the mandate because these things are supposed to be coming

3308
03:45:44,586 --> 03:45:47,766
from council these are you guys are policy makers so

3309
03:45:47,766 --> 03:45:50,426
you guys will have to direct staff to work with

3310
03:45:50,426 --> 03:45:53,026
us and that's the reason the minister's warning orders required

3311
03:45:53,196 --> 03:45:55,046
now is it legal yes it's a lot through the

3312
03:45:55,046 --> 03:45:59,036
planning act but my major thing is this there's it's

3313
03:45:59,036 --> 03:46:01,256
gonna be can take as development it's gonna be connected

3314
03:46:01,256 --> 03:46:04,746
to store bill ... we have a we have servicing

3315
03:46:04,746 --> 03:46:07,526
solutions available we are working with the town of the

3316
03:46:07,526 --> 03:46:10,536
store will still is gonna have a lot of community

3317
03:46:10,856 --> 03:46:15,266
new things developed along highway forty eight this development is

3318
03:46:15,266 --> 03:46:18,686
going to be connected to do the store will our

3319
03:46:18,686 --> 03:46:21,196
will of the parks will be shared the community center

3320
03:46:21,196 --> 03:46:23,746
will be used by the these read the residents in

3321
03:46:23,746 --> 03:46:27,096
the in the style and there's a big smart center

3322
03:46:27,096 --> 03:46:30,026
plaza there's a Walmart there's grocery stores there's Walmart there's

3323
03:46:30,026 --> 03:46:33,986
Tim Horton's everything is there we are sitting on the

3324
03:46:33,986 --> 03:46:36,406
south side of market maybe and then we're thinking the

3325
03:46:36,406 --> 03:46:38,916
old my daughter's like way far north it is not

3326
03:46:39,476 --> 03:46:41,346
you have to go there you have to drive there

3327
03:46:41,346 --> 03:46:44,116
you have to see this you have to vision we

3328
03:46:44,116 --> 03:46:47,656
are planning for the future

3329
03:46:47,656 --> 03:46:49,356
these things are not going to happen in a day

3330
03:46:49,736 --> 03:46:51,386
we do we have to work together and we have

3331
03:46:51,386 --> 03:46:54,066
to take this opportunity to work together so this is

3332
03:46:54,066 --> 03:46:56,396
my initial response and I'll continue to to respond as

3333
03:46:56,396 --> 03:47:01,856
the questions will will will right thank you

3334
03:47:01,856 --> 03:47:12,786
thank you Mr chair

3335
03:47:13,506 --> 03:47:19,366
your microphones ought Jim Mister chair your microphone is off

3336
03:47:19,366 --> 03:47:23,186
and so I said I'm going to recess until one

3337
03:47:23,186 --> 03:47:27,936
fifty and ... we also have a rescheduling M. A.

3338
03:47:27,936 --> 03:47:32,056
C. to another day so the afternoon is clear okay

3339
03:47:32,176 --> 03:47:36,016
so this is what's on the agenda okay so see

3340
03:47:36,016 --> 03:47:46,746
you back at one fifty

3341
04:43:05,708 --> 04:43:08,208
okay like to get started

3342
04:43:08,208 --> 04:43:11,818
6

3343
04:43:11,818 --> 04:43:14,188
okay and

3344
04:43:14,188 --> 04:43:19,318
the last time before when before we reconvene councillor councillor

3345
04:43:19,638 --> 04:43:22,538
Valerie Burke listen here now she's here and she liked

3346
04:43:22,818 --> 04:43:28,228
to do different application so Valerie Berkes you're welcome to

3347
04:43:28,228 --> 04:43:30,498
give your justification

3348
04:43:30,498 --> 04:43:33,278
thank you can you hear me I can hear you

3349
04:43:33,278 --> 04:43:36,508
but I can't see okay I can see it now

3350
04:43:36,998 --> 04:43:41,338
thank you ... Mr Mayor and members of development services

3351
04:43:41,338 --> 04:43:42,678
committee

3352
04:43:42,678 --> 04:43:46,848
we strongly urge you to support staff recommendations and tonight's

3353
04:43:46,848 --> 04:43:51,668
Lotto developments ministerial zoning order application in the Rouge watershed

3354
04:43:52,228 --> 04:43:56,208
is requested to develop outside of Markham's urban boundary is

3355
04:43:56,208 --> 04:43:59,828
premature since York region is in the process of conducting

3356
04:43:59,828 --> 04:44:04,518
an official plan review population and employment growth to twenty

3357
04:44:04,518 --> 04:44:08,078
fifty one base Ms that ... does not align with

3358
04:44:08,078 --> 04:44:12,578
a complete and thorough planning process or Markham's official plan

3359
04:44:12,608 --> 04:44:16,828
to build safe sustainable and complete communities it is incumbent

3360
04:44:16,828 --> 04:44:21,438
upon our elected representatives to follow a fair holistic and

3361
04:44:21,438 --> 04:44:27,698
comprehensive planning process with proper evaluation of studies scientific environmental

3362
04:44:27,698 --> 04:44:32,308
analysis and public consultation it is important to note that

3363
04:44:32,308 --> 04:44:36,798
the staff report states undertaking a lands needs assessment at

3364
04:44:36,798 --> 04:44:40,528
a region wide scale ensures a comprehensive approach to growth

3365
04:44:40,528 --> 04:44:45,128
management in an effort to among other things ensure efficient

3366
04:44:45,128 --> 04:44:50,078
use of existing and future infrastructure unquote Markham has always

3367
04:44:50,078 --> 04:44:55,468
endeavored to beef positionally responsible with taxpayer money careful planning

3368
04:44:55,468 --> 04:44:59,728
helps ensure cost effective communities and push it positions us

3369
04:44:59,798 --> 04:45:04,118
favorably in the global economy flood was request for M.

3370
04:45:04,118 --> 04:45:09,258
several application does not align with these principles in conclusion

3371
04:45:09,908 --> 04:45:14,468
Markham council should support staff recommendations and tonight the application

3372
04:45:15,008 --> 04:45:19,908
sincerely Valerie and Dave Burke thank you very much thank

3373
04:45:19,908 --> 04:45:22,718
you the only

3374
04:45:22,718 --> 04:45:26,588
in now I have a speakers list

3375
04:45:26,588 --> 04:45:31,358
hi which accounts for he

3376
04:45:31,358 --> 04:45:35,358
just trying to keep it under five minutes I will

3377
04:45:35,358 --> 04:45:38,248
do my best ... ... and I have no doubt

3378
04:45:38,618 --> 04:45:42,448
I just wanted to know ... ... there is description

3379
04:45:42,448 --> 04:45:46,288
here that ... this could very well be affordable housing

3380
04:45:46,738 --> 04:45:49,938
and so ... I wanted to know what the price

3381
04:45:49,938 --> 04:45:53,998
range they're thinking on the applicant is thinking out for

3382
04:45:54,298 --> 04:45:57,818
the singles and ... for

3383
04:45:57,818 --> 04:46:02,188
... the townhouses ... what kind of price range ...

3384
04:46:02,568 --> 04:46:07,598
... are we looking at ... and ...

3385
04:46:07,598 --> 04:46:11,528
how do they fit into the affordable price ranges that

3386
04:46:11,558 --> 04:46:15,118
we have seen our capital region we actually saw here

3387
04:46:15,428 --> 04:46:18,078
... ... but we can have to go on the

3388
04:46:18,108 --> 04:46:21,658
the mayor's housing or

3389
04:46:21,658 --> 04:46:26,208
Stafford Shakir or someone can they

3390
04:46:26,208 --> 04:46:31,478
no steps ... ... through you Mr chair ... ...

3391
04:46:31,908 --> 04:46:34,428
... cancer Jackie that's ... that's a very good question

3392
04:46:35,028 --> 04:46:38,198
... so I'll just touch upon ... the town homes

3393
04:46:38,198 --> 04:46:40,068
first and I had said that we are going to

3394
04:46:40,068 --> 04:46:43,118
be building wider town homes and I must say that

3395
04:46:43,118 --> 04:46:46,488
... I've got some guidance and some motivation and a

3396
04:46:46,488 --> 04:46:49,108
little bit of push I must agree from

3397
04:46:49,108 --> 04:46:53,418
... councillor ray because she's always promoting wider town homes

3398
04:46:53,728 --> 04:46:56,428
... and I've also been working with the the city

3399
04:46:56,428 --> 04:47:02,008
of Markham staff on other applications where data staff has

3400
04:47:02,008 --> 04:47:05,788
commented and they have suggested that we should be incorporating

3401
04:47:06,038 --> 04:47:09,878
us a separate suite on the main floor to accommodate

3402
04:47:09,878 --> 04:47:13,478
seniors or ... or someone else to live on the

3403
04:47:13,478 --> 04:47:16,978
main floor and I know the mayors of housing summit

3404
04:47:16,978 --> 04:47:19,818
spoke about that the City of Markham's ... event last

3405
04:47:19,818 --> 04:47:22,428
week spoke about that so the way to answer your

3406
04:47:22,428 --> 04:47:25,568
question the way the town homes will be affordable so

3407
04:47:25,568 --> 04:47:28,098
for example if the townhouse just selling in Markham for

3408
04:47:28,098 --> 04:47:31,488
example say eight hundred thousand dollars so are townhouse will

3409
04:47:31,488 --> 04:47:34,458
be more less the same price bought

3410
04:47:34,458 --> 04:47:37,318
when the person the the person who will buy that

3411
04:47:37,378 --> 04:47:40,108
townhouse will be living up stairs let's say a guy

3412
04:47:40,108 --> 04:47:42,238
buys it with his he has a wife and he

3413
04:47:42,238 --> 04:47:44,338
has two kids so they're going to be living upstairs

3414
04:47:44,618 --> 04:47:47,138
now they can rent out their main floor to a

3415
04:47:47,138 --> 04:47:50,618
senior so when they rent out their suite to the

3416
04:47:50,618 --> 04:47:53,388
seniors less they collect the rent of say a thousand

3417
04:47:53,388 --> 04:47:54,688
dollars

3418
04:47:54,688 --> 04:47:58,128
now that thousand dollars will help the family the young

3419
04:47:58,128 --> 04:48:02,068
family living upstairs the their mortgage that's how that you

3420
04:48:02,068 --> 04:48:06,588
need these units affordable by having a secondary suite on

3421
04:48:06,588 --> 04:48:09,838
the town homes so once again we're making these town

3422
04:48:09,838 --> 04:48:12,268
homes from twenty three four two up to twenty six

3423
04:48:12,268 --> 04:48:15,738
foot wide that can accommodate a senior suite on the

3424
04:48:15,738 --> 04:48:18,088
main floor we're gonna work with the city of Markham

3425
04:48:18,088 --> 04:48:21,998
staff to have the entrance level flush to the ground

3426
04:48:22,028 --> 04:48:24,538
so that there are ... S. less steps are noise

3427
04:48:24,538 --> 04:48:27,578
steps for the seniors to walk into if somebody has

3428
04:48:27,578 --> 04:48:30,788
a parent or they have their in laws if somebody's

3429
04:48:30,788 --> 04:48:33,788
a senior they can live close to them they can

3430
04:48:33,818 --> 04:48:36,718
age within the community they don't have to have their

3431
04:48:36,718 --> 04:48:40,318
seniors or or or patterns or or in laws or

3432
04:48:40,318 --> 04:48:43,508
to somebody else moved out from the home and as

3433
04:48:43,508 --> 04:48:46,578
you know in Markham it's or anyone she gets really

3434
04:48:46,578 --> 04:48:51,078
difficult and it's it's ... it's hard for a typical

3435
04:48:51,078 --> 04:48:55,608
family to ... to to buy a home these days

3436
04:48:55,608 --> 04:48:57,318
maybe you and I we were able to afford a

3437
04:48:57,318 --> 04:48:59,468
house but when I think of my kids I don't

3438
04:48:59,468 --> 04:49:00,818
know how my kids are going to be able to

3439
04:49:00,818 --> 04:49:04,388
afford homes in Markham will be like really really difficult

3440
04:49:04,418 --> 04:49:07,288
even if they get good jobs it will be really

3441
04:49:07,288 --> 04:49:10,928
challenging so I think we'll see a market is on

3442
04:49:10,928 --> 04:49:13,298
the right track I think the staff is is on

3443
04:49:13,298 --> 04:49:15,988
the right track I think we all are headed towards

3444
04:49:15,988 --> 04:49:20,088
the the right path of of affordability we cannot just

3445
04:49:20,148 --> 04:49:22,988
say that this one particular development is going to be

3446
04:49:23,228 --> 04:49:26,908
affordable without doing these things so these are the things

3447
04:49:26,908 --> 04:49:29,358
we're going to do and I hope ... I answered

3448
04:49:29,358 --> 04:49:34,068
your question councillor heat what about the singles in single

3449
04:49:34,068 --> 04:49:37,278
detached homes what we are proposing twenty five percent of

3450
04:49:37,278 --> 04:49:40,468
the home so we will have a bedroom on the

3451
04:49:40,468 --> 04:49:44,808
main floor for seniors so if a family lives they

3452
04:49:44,808 --> 04:49:46,688
will be able to have their parents live on the

3453
04:49:46,688 --> 04:49:50,408
main for with the bathroom we're gonna have wider hallways

3454
04:49:50,678 --> 04:49:54,848
we're gonna incorporate the seniors the guy I'd like to

3455
04:49:54,848 --> 04:49:58,698
see Markham I believe is working on which will help

3456
04:49:58,868 --> 04:50:02,508
as a family to have their parents live with them

3457
04:50:02,538 --> 04:50:05,218
in their homes I have seen some home some single

3458
04:50:05,218 --> 04:50:09,318
detached homes in Ontario where they have built a bedroom

3459
04:50:09,318 --> 04:50:11,588
on the main for for their for their parents or

3460
04:50:11,588 --> 04:50:14,348
for their in laws that's a very practical thing and

3461
04:50:14,348 --> 04:50:16,908
and and and and once we design it we will

3462
04:50:16,908 --> 04:50:20,778
work closely with your staff to have the north steps

3463
04:50:20,778 --> 04:50:22,718
or is less steps as possible for the so that

3464
04:50:22,718 --> 04:50:25,458
the seniors a wheelchair can comment will make the the

3465
04:50:25,458 --> 04:50:28,458
hallways weiter so that the wheelchair can access we can

3466
04:50:28,458 --> 04:50:31,878
make the bathrooms bigger to accommodate a wheelchair so that

3467
04:50:31,878 --> 04:50:34,498
seniors can go in and take a bathroom so these

3468
04:50:34,498 --> 04:50:36,898
are the things we have to do to make things

3469
04:50:36,928 --> 04:50:41,248
affordable otherwise we see when things are not designed right

3470
04:50:41,248 --> 04:50:43,698
people tried to jam people in and it doesn't work

3471
04:50:43,698 --> 04:50:45,658
and then they have to send out there the parents

3472
04:50:45,948 --> 04:50:50,578
or or or or or seniors outside so the whole

3473
04:50:50,608 --> 04:50:53,888
idea that we are falling for this community is an

3474
04:50:53,918 --> 04:50:55,748
adult lifestyle community

3475
04:50:55,748 --> 04:50:58,218
so so that's what we're doing for senior Sir well

3476
04:50:58,218 --> 04:51:00,808
thank you and I must to and say I appreciate

3477
04:51:00,808 --> 04:51:04,158
your reading my report I helped author vote two years

3478
04:51:04,158 --> 04:51:07,868
ago because you just want one through three or ...

3479
04:51:07,868 --> 04:51:10,228
of items in there and so I really appreciate that

3480
04:51:10,258 --> 04:51:13,778
the last one I don't have the previous sentence general

3481
04:51:13,778 --> 04:51:17,618
had some time pressures ... you know three weeks they

3482
04:51:17,618 --> 04:51:20,438
... they had a problem with the land ownership etcetera

3483
04:51:20,878 --> 04:51:24,208
I assume you don't have that therefore I assume that

3484
04:51:24,208 --> 04:51:27,508
you would not be ... ... in opposition to a

3485
04:51:27,508 --> 04:51:32,388
community consultation before council actually deals with this ... so

3486
04:51:32,388 --> 04:51:35,848
that we hear from the community so ...

3487
04:51:35,848 --> 04:51:38,538
nope okay so with your permission I would just to

3488
04:51:38,808 --> 04:51:42,708
say that ... see in in our business we're always

3489
04:51:42,708 --> 04:51:44,778
in a rush because when we buy land we have

3490
04:51:44,778 --> 04:51:46,498
to keep on going when we have a plan we

3491
04:51:46,498 --> 04:51:48,888
have to keep on going but I am with you

3492
04:51:48,888 --> 04:51:51,888
one hundred percent that there has to be public consultation

3493
04:51:52,168 --> 04:51:55,078
I agree with all the comments raised today by each

3494
04:51:55,078 --> 04:51:57,188
and every one and it's not like I'm saying I'm

3495
04:51:57,188 --> 04:52:00,358
not going to address anything we're going to address everybody

3496
04:52:00,358 --> 04:52:04,008
concerns raised by all the residents all the citizens and

3497
04:52:04,008 --> 04:52:08,568
all the councillors here so what all we occurred requesting

3498
04:52:08,568 --> 04:52:10,938
for two days a resolution to support this ministers on

3499
04:52:10,938 --> 04:52:14,268
order and settle once this and that was approved we

3500
04:52:14,268 --> 04:52:16,448
will come to the to the city to the city

3501
04:52:16,738 --> 04:52:20,428
well we'll request for drop an application then staff will

3502
04:52:20,428 --> 04:52:23,428
make us do all the studies they they require and

3503
04:52:23,428 --> 04:52:26,528
then we will have a statutory public meeting and through

3504
04:52:26,528 --> 04:52:29,648
that statutory public meeting we will be getting old all

3505
04:52:29,648 --> 04:52:33,178
the import all the comments get the draft and approved

3506
04:52:33,208 --> 04:52:35,178
then we will have to come back again to the

3507
04:52:35,178 --> 04:52:38,418
DSC into the council to work on on the site

3508
04:52:38,418 --> 04:52:41,958
plan because we have two buildings ... I propose for

3509
04:52:41,958 --> 04:52:44,468
seniors purpose built rental for the senior so we'll have

3510
04:52:44,468 --> 04:52:47,128
to come back again so there's gonna be a lot

3511
04:52:47,128 --> 04:52:50,258
of public process and by by seeing the comments and

3512
04:52:50,258 --> 04:52:53,638
the letters and everybody received I think everybody knows about

3513
04:52:53,638 --> 04:52:56,698
this development and and ... somebody's doing a good job

3514
04:52:56,698 --> 04:52:59,528
by spreading the word about this to this proposed Ms

3515
04:52:59,528 --> 04:53:03,588
at all so I don't think they should additional protocol

3516
04:53:03,588 --> 04:53:07,388
on consultation ... now required by how I I give

3517
04:53:07,388 --> 04:53:10,108
you will have the statutory public meeting through the DS

3518
04:53:10,108 --> 04:53:11,898
you will it will it will come to council again

3519
04:53:12,198 --> 04:53:14,028
and during that process if you guys want to have

3520
04:53:14,028 --> 04:53:17,098
another meeting for a public information meeting when the time

3521
04:53:17,098 --> 04:53:20,918
comes hundred percent I will work with you guys by

3522
04:53:20,918 --> 04:53:24,008
we're not however is it not should gear the most

3523
04:53:24,008 --> 04:53:27,368
important decision is the one we're making today and that

3524
04:53:27,368 --> 04:53:30,578
is true we rezone the land so it's residential and

3525
04:53:30,578 --> 04:53:34,458
it's better us ... as opposed to maybe agriculture that

3526
04:53:34,458 --> 04:53:36,938
makes it the most important for the public that would

3527
04:53:36,938 --> 04:53:39,648
be the most important decisions whether we want to do

3528
04:53:39,648 --> 04:53:42,168
in the first place and that's why I'm asking the

3529
04:53:42,168 --> 04:53:44,918
question it's a very good question Sir support the other

3530
04:53:44,918 --> 04:53:47,428
and settled it just stopped when you guys were referring

3531
04:53:47,428 --> 04:53:50,098
to the floor so when we came in over there

3532
04:53:50,168 --> 04:53:53,068
we've got the ministers owning approved we have not even

3533
04:53:53,068 --> 04:53:55,218
put up a sign on the property that we will

3534
04:53:55,218 --> 04:53:58,308
have something coming soon because we are not allowed to

3535
04:53:58,308 --> 04:53:59,998
and we set this to the to the and I

3536
04:53:59,998 --> 04:54:03,198
said myself to the same ... DSE and the same

3537
04:54:03,198 --> 04:54:05,968
council that we're not going to the public until we

3538
04:54:05,968 --> 04:54:08,288
go through the draft approval process until we have the

3539
04:54:08,288 --> 04:54:12,178
site plan approved by the DSE so we are we

3540
04:54:12,178 --> 04:54:14,278
haven't done that for that parcel we're not gonna do

3541
04:54:14,278 --> 04:54:16,318
it for this parcel we have to come back to

3542
04:54:16,318 --> 04:54:19,458
you we respect the process process we respect the the

3543
04:54:19,458 --> 04:54:22,168
the the the policies with respect and we have a

3544
04:54:22,168 --> 04:54:24,968
healthy root good working relationship with the city of Marco

3545
04:54:25,348 --> 04:54:27,848
and we that this and you can put it in

3546
04:54:27,848 --> 04:54:29,758
in in the agreement that we are not allowed to

3547
04:54:29,758 --> 04:54:32,018
market or sell into the draft plan is approved I

3548
04:54:32,018 --> 04:54:34,848
totally agree with that so we will come back into

3549
04:54:34,848 --> 04:54:37,478
the drop in approval there will be public meeting at

3550
04:54:37,478 --> 04:54:39,718
that time you want to do a public information house

3551
04:54:40,038 --> 04:54:42,988
... and through the site plan process same thing you

3552
04:54:42,988 --> 04:54:46,118
guys will even have to literally you guys will have

3553
04:54:46,118 --> 04:54:49,328
the power of selecting if the color of the break

3554
04:54:49,328 --> 04:54:53,028
on on on on the buildings so Sir some had

3555
04:54:53,028 --> 04:54:54,658
said that I would like to just go ahead and

3556
04:54:54,658 --> 04:54:57,688
start building tomorrow we have to this is a long

3557
04:54:57,688 --> 04:55:00,598
road this is just the start we're just seeking the

3558
04:55:00,598 --> 04:55:03,028
designation so that we can start this is just the

3559
04:55:03,028 --> 04:55:07,418
first step and once again public will be informed there

3560
04:55:07,418 --> 04:55:09,978
will be a public meeting and there will be a

3561
04:55:09,978 --> 04:55:14,208
lot to look like I can and I

3562
04:55:14,208 --> 04:55:22,078
thank you thank you from Sir also right

3563
04:55:22,078 --> 04:55:24,588
thank you I look which is doing questions now right

3564
04:55:25,308 --> 04:55:29,198
yes we are okay ... I have a question for

3565
04:55:29,198 --> 04:55:33,228
general

3566
04:55:33,228 --> 04:55:36,288
where we meeting in the zoning that's attached why we

3567
04:55:36,288 --> 04:55:40,908
meeting duplexes tri plex system detached homes and my favorite

3568
04:55:40,908 --> 04:55:45,718
bungalows bungalow Austin Bunn the town's from the zoning

3569
04:55:45,718 --> 04:55:47,858
this typically set in there that we're not gonna allow

3570
04:55:47,858 --> 04:55:53,488
semi detached duplexes triplexes vortexes

3571
04:55:53,488 --> 04:55:55,908
through the chair this might be a better question actually

3572
04:55:55,908 --> 04:56:00,638
addressed by Bijou our pride from zoning but essentially what

3573
04:56:00,638 --> 04:56:04,228
we were doing was aligning through a technical exercise as

3574
04:56:04,228 --> 04:56:06,758
I indicated in the presentation will staff are not supported

3575
04:56:06,758 --> 04:56:10,478
at the ends in a request we did provide commentary

3576
04:56:10,688 --> 04:56:14,578
to address similar zoning that is currently used within the

3577
04:56:14,578 --> 04:56:18,558
city of Markham so that is generally the the approach

3578
04:56:18,558 --> 04:56:21,728
that we use and with that I'm not sure ...

3579
04:56:21,728 --> 04:56:23,598
Bijou did you want to weigh in on this a

3580
04:56:23,598 --> 04:56:28,018
bit further

3581
04:56:28,018 --> 04:56:30,968
is the brand's online because we brag about rex and

3582
04:56:31,038 --> 04:56:34,348
and write magic yeah

3583
04:56:34,348 --> 04:56:37,798
I thank you through you Mr chair ... a lot

3584
04:56:37,798 --> 04:56:40,388
of the used again what Daryl said was we were

3585
04:56:40,388 --> 04:56:43,858
... we were aligning the uses with ... with the

3586
04:56:43,858 --> 04:56:47,628
applicant had proposed ... we're trying a single detached dwelling

3587
04:56:47,628 --> 04:56:51,238
dwellings in town as dwellings I believe the base own

3588
04:56:51,238 --> 04:56:55,638
does permit ... semi detached ... tri plex and four

3589
04:56:55,638 --> 04:57:00,048
plex is ... the the other uses are built forms

3590
04:57:00,048 --> 04:57:03,228
that were were described there are not actually uses within

3591
04:57:03,228 --> 04:57:05,998
our bylaw specifically that would fall within one of the

3592
04:57:05,998 --> 04:57:09,248
other category so like a bungalow loft is not actually

3593
04:57:09,248 --> 04:57:13,238
a a defined term so

3594
04:57:13,238 --> 04:57:16,198
okay so in the draft the edits to the draft

3595
04:57:16,198 --> 04:57:21,888
ministers owning or down it says despite paragraph five subsection

3596
04:57:21,888 --> 04:57:24,858
the following uses are not committed in the area shown

3597
04:57:24,858 --> 04:57:26,428
as R. two in this the same thing for the

3598
04:57:26,428 --> 04:57:30,018
R. one semi detached dwelling duplex tri plex and four

3599
04:57:30,018 --> 04:57:33,818
plex like I've been a broken record since twenty fourteen

3600
04:57:33,848 --> 04:57:38,408
we are building detached homes and townhouses there is no

3601
04:57:38,408 --> 04:57:41,278
diverse city in the housing stock that we are being

3602
04:57:41,278 --> 04:57:45,228
built and you're putting this out right there that we're

3603
04:57:45,228 --> 04:57:48,388
not going to look at it all those items Sam

3604
04:57:48,388 --> 04:57:51,118
is a duplex a tri plex is the full plexus

3605
04:57:51,438 --> 04:57:53,808
and if the bank accounts of bungalows have to go

3606
04:57:53,808 --> 04:57:56,348
in a separate that should be included in all zoning

3607
04:57:56,348 --> 04:57:59,148
for all future open areas

3608
04:57:59,148 --> 04:58:01,498
right off the bat

3609
04:58:01,498 --> 04:58:04,638
something may have to build it it's allowing them the

3610
04:58:04,638 --> 04:58:07,758
option to build that we're saying right now is that

3611
04:58:07,758 --> 04:58:10,368
they're not gonna be able to build that in there

3612
04:58:10,368 --> 04:58:15,418
6

3613
04:58:15,418 --> 04:58:16,848
the issue

3614
04:58:16,848 --> 04:58:20,388
somebody will second that that those those are added into

3615
04:58:20,388 --> 04:58:23,278
the zoning order

3616
04:58:23,278 --> 04:58:27,028
do you have any problems that secure no I actually

3617
04:58:27,028 --> 04:58:30,988
... command councillor ray ... for raising this in fact

3618
04:58:30,988 --> 04:58:33,548
I spoke with her and ... she had suggested be

3619
04:58:33,548 --> 04:58:37,588
a couple of ... seniors ... buildings ... close to

3620
04:58:37,588 --> 04:58:40,728
the site and I drove ... drove by over there

3621
04:58:41,088 --> 04:58:43,608
and I agreed to her comments and we are happy

3622
04:58:43,608 --> 04:58:46,418
to work with her and and the staff to achieve

3623
04:58:46,418 --> 04:58:49,668
different housing stock I think that is required to achieve

3624
04:58:49,668 --> 04:58:53,618
affordability and to have variation in the streetscape as well

3625
04:58:53,868 --> 04:58:56,038
and to provide different kinds of housing I think the

3626
04:58:56,038 --> 04:59:00,098
idea is our main goal here is how do we

3627
04:59:00,528 --> 04:59:03,568
come up with the community which is age friendly which

3628
04:59:03,568 --> 04:59:06,358
is an adult lifestyle community which is going to serve

3629
04:59:06,358 --> 04:59:11,378
the seniors while providing affordability to these buyers but we

3630
04:59:11,378 --> 04:59:14,368
have been working on with our consulting team is what

3631
04:59:14,368 --> 04:59:17,898
can we do to me immunity

3632
04:59:17,898 --> 04:59:23,208
very different from a typical subdivision in Markham ... what

3633
04:59:23,208 --> 04:59:25,018
can we do how we can do things so I

3634
04:59:25,018 --> 04:59:28,558
think we all are sort of saying the same thing

3635
04:59:29,008 --> 04:59:33,248
I've seen stop working towards the same thing cancer res

3636
04:59:33,298 --> 04:59:35,308
saying the same thing I guess I'm going to work

3637
04:59:35,308 --> 04:59:38,748
so right being the mayors a house housing summit was

3638
04:59:38,748 --> 04:59:42,658
speaking was going towards the same direction last week's meeting

3639
04:59:42,658 --> 04:59:45,598
about affordability was was about the same thing so I

3640
04:59:45,598 --> 04:59:47,728
agree with councillor ray and I'm more than happy to

3641
04:59:47,728 --> 04:59:49,788
work with her and with staff on this thank you

3642
04:59:49,788 --> 04:59:51,788
Sir

3643
04:59:51,788 --> 04:59:54,728
hit second question

3644
04:59:54,728 --> 04:59:57,568
the question okay go ahead at the other question I

3645
04:59:57,568 --> 05:00:00,008
have is there's a discrepancy and I'm sure here if

3646
05:00:00,008 --> 05:00:02,358
you want to one side of your consultants still here

3647
05:00:02,818 --> 05:00:05,178
there's a discrepancy in the letter that you provided to

3648
05:00:05,178 --> 05:00:08,168
the province on what was presented on this slide show

3649
05:00:08,168 --> 05:00:11,298
regarding the number of units so are you can I

3650
05:00:11,298 --> 05:00:13,848
can correct that because they're not councillor raid the the

3651
05:00:13,848 --> 05:00:17,998
numbers have changed because we have introduced parks we have

3652
05:00:17,998 --> 05:00:21,878
made the green space wider because of the natural heritage

3653
05:00:21,878 --> 05:00:25,458
system as requested by the city stop so that has

3654
05:00:25,488 --> 05:00:29,078
eaten into the number of units then we had to

3655
05:00:29,108 --> 05:00:34,208
... ... amend the plan to accommodate the we have

3656
05:00:34,208 --> 05:00:37,118
to increase the size of this the town homes from

3657
05:00:37,118 --> 05:00:39,698
the typical style home sizes two to twenty three and

3658
05:00:39,698 --> 05:00:42,678
twenty six borders to accommodate the seniors suite on the

3659
05:00:42,678 --> 05:00:44,978
main floor in fact the numbers that you see in

3660
05:00:44,978 --> 05:00:46,918
front of you right now which are like four hundred

3661
05:00:46,918 --> 05:00:49,338
and changed including the two hundred units which is say

3662
05:00:49,338 --> 05:00:52,408
six hundred units those numbers will in fact will further

3663
05:00:52,408 --> 05:00:56,418
go down because we have ... increase the frontage of

3664
05:00:56,418 --> 05:00:59,418
the town homes and we have also increases the frontage

3665
05:00:59,448 --> 05:01:03,098
of of the the singles last winter used to park

3666
05:01:03,098 --> 05:01:07,388
so that's why the numbers have significantly have dropped from

3667
05:01:07,388 --> 05:01:09,618
the initial proposal

3668
05:01:09,618 --> 05:01:11,918
so I'm not sure on who to ask that so

3669
05:01:11,918 --> 05:01:15,668
what happens when the letters already gone into our Steve

3670
05:01:15,668 --> 05:01:18,748
Clark asking for more units how does that get addressed

3671
05:01:19,168 --> 05:01:23,258
so basically when one on staff or a secure like

3672
05:01:23,638 --> 05:01:26,588
that letter would need to be revised

3673
05:01:26,588 --> 05:01:29,518
because the ministers going to stamp his approval or non

3674
05:01:29,518 --> 05:01:33,888
approval depend on what council does on your letter I

3675
05:01:33,888 --> 05:01:38,718
would think she cared me I lost her so basically

3676
05:01:39,088 --> 05:01:42,368
in this resolution which gets approved today ... you will

3677
05:01:42,368 --> 05:01:44,498
be writing to the minister that these are the number

3678
05:01:44,498 --> 05:01:46,488
of units and this is the front page that you

3679
05:01:46,488 --> 05:01:48,548
would like to see and these are the type of

3680
05:01:48,548 --> 05:01:50,918
housing that you would see and this is the zoning

3681
05:01:50,918 --> 05:01:53,098
bylaw that you would like to see the minister to

3682
05:01:53,098 --> 05:01:55,798
approve and that's what we'll do we'll be following because

3683
05:01:55,798 --> 05:01:58,578
that's that's why they've asked you for your comments so

3684
05:01:58,578 --> 05:02:00,688
those are the moments which will be going back to

3685
05:02:00,688 --> 05:02:02,838
the problems

3686
05:02:02,838 --> 05:02:05,338
okay that's all I have two questions Mr chart comments

3687
05:02:05,338 --> 05:02:10,538
later councillor Lee

3688
05:02:10,538 --> 05:02:13,458
thank you Mr chair um well I she

3689
05:02:13,458 --> 05:02:16,868
the previous councillor has already addressed many of my concerns

3690
05:02:17,078 --> 05:02:20,878
I would like to get things that they income of

3691
05:02:20,878 --> 05:02:24,598
plateau for bringing this application up at like I really

3692
05:02:24,598 --> 05:02:29,088
like the idea of having town homes having more it

3693
05:02:29,088 --> 05:02:33,228
a more variety of housing and of course your energy

3694
05:02:33,228 --> 05:02:35,748
on taking care of the families of the seniors as

3695
05:02:35,748 --> 05:02:39,588
well so yeah personally I my family as well ...

3696
05:02:39,588 --> 05:02:42,988
and she and she considering having like a bathroom on

3697
05:02:42,988 --> 05:02:45,148
the ground floor for my rest that book for my

3698
05:02:45,148 --> 05:02:47,608
parents just just in case all week we are going

3699
05:02:47,608 --> 05:02:50,398
to plan ahead well my my my parents are actually

3700
05:02:50,398 --> 05:02:53,798
rate already rich reached senior H. so yeah this is

3701
05:02:53,798 --> 05:02:57,308
actually common and it's a trend so I really commend

3702
05:02:57,308 --> 05:03:00,658
your thought and yet you're for us for for this

3703
05:03:00,778 --> 05:03:02,708
neighborhood so

3704
05:03:02,708 --> 05:03:04,688
exactly what I was saying is that you know we

3705
05:03:04,688 --> 05:03:07,538
all need these things when we are young we don't

3706
05:03:07,538 --> 05:03:10,368
realize these sayings but as we have parents who are

3707
05:03:10,368 --> 05:03:13,078
aging or in Los were aging or aunt or uncle

3708
05:03:13,078 --> 05:03:15,818
living with us was aging then we realize these things

3709
05:03:15,818 --> 05:03:18,248
so so thank you for your comments thank you I

3710
05:03:18,248 --> 05:03:21,318
I really like the idea that that's the thinking councillor

3711
05:03:21,348 --> 05:03:26,138
Irish

3712
05:03:26,138 --> 05:03:29,918
thank you thank you Mr chairman I have three questions

3713
05:03:30,448 --> 05:03:33,618
of the first relates to ... a quote which will

3714
05:03:33,618 --> 05:03:37,418
read from page four of the staff report which is

3715
05:03:37,418 --> 05:03:41,428
York region is expected to release a draft land needs

3716
05:03:41,428 --> 05:03:46,368
assessment for consultation in the coming months which will identified

3717
05:03:46,368 --> 05:03:50,258
the need an appropriate location for any required urban boundary

3718
05:03:50,258 --> 05:03:55,518
expansion in Markham or elsewhere in the region in twenty

3719
05:03:55,518 --> 05:03:59,088
fifty one so the question is and I guess it's

3720
05:03:59,088 --> 05:04:02,398
directed to staff probably ... Daryl's part of the most

3721
05:04:02,398 --> 05:04:05,068
appropriate one in your opinion

3722
05:04:05,068 --> 05:04:10,158
how likely is that review to include urban boundary expansion

3723
05:04:10,158 --> 05:04:13,558
that includes these lands

3724
05:04:13,558 --> 05:04:17,168
also through the chair in response to that it's hard

3725
05:04:17,168 --> 05:04:19,728
to say until we see something come out of the

3726
05:04:19,728 --> 05:04:22,838
reach and that actually provides the draft plan needs assessment

3727
05:04:23,238 --> 05:04:25,428
for us to look at it is unknown how much

3728
05:04:25,428 --> 05:04:27,638
land may or may not be required within the city

3729
05:04:27,638 --> 05:04:30,638
of Markham so to see that it may or may

3730
05:04:30,638 --> 05:04:33,498
not include those lands staff are not aware at this

3731
05:04:33,498 --> 05:04:37,698
point about whether it would or may not we anticipate

3732
05:04:37,698 --> 05:04:40,348
that there will be an expansion within the city of

3733
05:04:40,348 --> 05:04:43,218
Markham through the process and we said that previously to

3734
05:04:43,218 --> 05:04:45,548
council through staff reports

3735
05:04:45,548 --> 05:04:47,828
but at this point whether it includes these specific lands

3736
05:04:47,828 --> 05:04:50,398
or not it's unknown at this point we'll have to

3737
05:04:50,398 --> 05:04:52,568
see when the draft land needs assessment is released by

3738
05:04:52,568 --> 05:04:56,038
the region so I I appreciate that there is an

3739
05:04:56,038 --> 05:04:59,878
element of crystal balling here but the fact that this

3740
05:04:59,878 --> 05:05:03,478
property would be continuous with what's happening north of the

3741
05:05:03,478 --> 05:05:07,948
border in style though does that in your opinion increase

3742
05:05:07,948 --> 05:05:10,858
or decrease the likelihood that the boundary would be expanded

3743
05:05:10,858 --> 05:05:13,338
to include these lands

3744
05:05:13,338 --> 05:05:15,928
through the chair I would suggest the question that will

3745
05:05:15,928 --> 05:05:19,278
come before council is where appropriately growth should be directed

3746
05:05:19,588 --> 05:05:21,908
and we're boundary expansion should occur within the city of

3747
05:05:21,908 --> 05:05:25,638
Markham historically the city of Markham has expanded its urban

3748
05:05:25,638 --> 05:05:29,218
boundary from the styles working its way north and northeast

3749
05:05:29,678 --> 05:05:32,708
this would be a different a deviation from that approach

3750
05:05:33,238 --> 05:05:35,668
and that would have to be considered through council when

3751
05:05:35,668 --> 05:05:37,718
we would report back through the drive through and needs

3752
05:05:37,718 --> 05:05:40,448
assessment work as well as to the region's municipal comprehensive

3753
05:05:40,448 --> 05:05:41,708
review

3754
05:05:41,708 --> 05:05:44,388
okay so it's still entirely possible though that in a

3755
05:05:44,388 --> 05:05:47,638
few months time we could be looking at a report

3756
05:05:47,638 --> 05:05:49,748
from the region that includes this land as part of

3757
05:05:49,748 --> 05:05:54,088
the urban boundary expansion that is a very real possibility

3758
05:05:54,088 --> 05:05:57,688
it is possible okay thank you I'd like to dig

3759
05:05:57,688 --> 05:06:00,938
a little bit deeper ... on the proposed servicing arrangements

3760
05:06:00,968 --> 05:06:05,178
pardon the pun ... I had a conversation Friday with

3761
05:06:05,178 --> 05:06:09,048
commissioner Prasad and was told in answer to a question

3762
05:06:09,368 --> 05:06:12,558
that if the M. zero was approved by council or

3763
05:06:12,558 --> 05:06:16,398
... supported by council and of course ...

3764
05:06:16,398 --> 05:06:19,318
moved by the minister for the city of Markham would

3765
05:06:19,318 --> 05:06:22,328
be responsible for the servicing

3766
05:06:22,328 --> 05:06:27,318
and yet today ... I saw a different plan proposed

3767
05:06:27,318 --> 05:06:31,978
by the applicant ... so have we done anything similar

3768
05:06:32,368 --> 05:06:35,288
in other parts of marking where we've had the servicing

3769
05:06:35,428 --> 05:06:38,398
at least some of it run through a neighboring municipality

3770
05:06:38,398 --> 05:06:42,928
and if so how well is that arrangement worked

3771
05:06:42,928 --> 05:06:45,818
I would ask ... Brian Lee director of engineering to

3772
05:06:45,818 --> 05:06:51,438
respond to that place

3773
05:06:51,438 --> 05:06:54,638
through you Mr chat as subprime lead director of engineering

3774
05:06:55,158 --> 05:06:57,548
...

3775
05:06:57,548 --> 05:07:03,728
responding to ... councillor Irish question ... there are some

3776
05:07:03,728 --> 05:07:08,558
cross boundary servicing ... in other parts of ... Markham

3777
05:07:08,988 --> 05:07:14,308
... namely ... there are few on Steeles Avenue between

3778
05:07:14,338 --> 05:07:18,738
... Markham and the city of Toronto and there is

3779
05:07:18,738 --> 05:07:23,958
some limited very limited between the ...

3780
05:07:23,958 --> 05:07:28,258
Richmond hill and Markham boundary as well but cross boundary

3781
05:07:28,338 --> 05:07:33,048
... servicing is not something that is typical something that

3782
05:07:33,048 --> 05:07:36,348
is ... we can't do we tend to avoid these

3783
05:07:36,718 --> 05:07:42,128
type of cross boundary ... servicing ...

3784
05:07:42,128 --> 05:07:51,148
because of legislative and also administrative issues

3785
05:07:51,148 --> 05:07:54,108
okay

3786
05:07:54,108 --> 05:07:58,408
it's interesting I guess at

3787
05:07:58,408 --> 05:08:00,558
sorry Mr chairman

3788
05:08:00,558 --> 05:08:05,478
no I I use motioning to regional council E. W.

3789
05:08:05,558 --> 05:08:09,168
A. model list I don't just quickly we don't have

3790
05:08:09,168 --> 05:08:13,238
a stormwater management on from stove build

3791
05:08:13,238 --> 05:08:15,538
the north Markham in the east and that's the only

3792
05:08:15,538 --> 05:08:17,868
one I know from stole

3793
05:08:17,868 --> 05:08:20,498
so I can ... free check and speak to that

3794
05:08:20,978 --> 05:08:23,508
... I was actually involved in that on the peripheral

3795
05:08:23,508 --> 05:08:27,098
when I first joined Markham and

3796
05:08:27,098 --> 05:08:32,858
that storm water management pond service a subdivision install bill

3797
05:08:33,238 --> 05:08:37,788
the pond itself is located in Markham however that Paul

3798
05:08:37,788 --> 05:08:41,418
does not serve anything in Markham so it's a servicing

3799
05:08:41,838 --> 05:08:46,088
... someone management point that is located in Markham but

3800
05:08:46,088 --> 05:08:52,368
is service a subdivision ends in Snellville

3801
05:08:52,368 --> 05:08:53,598
to date

3802
05:08:53,598 --> 05:08:57,568
I appreciate to that the applicants ... consultant ... has

3803
05:08:57,568 --> 05:08:59,788
something that they should like to add as it relates

3804
05:08:59,788 --> 05:09:03,778
to this but ... well maybe it is maybe I

3805
05:09:03,778 --> 05:09:06,478
saw secure had stand up that one to respond to

3806
05:09:07,008 --> 05:09:10,738
well okay I've got one last bit related to this

3807
05:09:10,738 --> 05:09:14,108
particular issue but I'll let them go first she's here

3808
05:09:14,808 --> 05:09:18,368
... I'm just gonna before I would like Katerina respond

3809
05:09:18,368 --> 05:09:20,488
to the servicing question we have been working with the

3810
05:09:20,488 --> 05:09:22,488
town of still bill and the city of Markham has

3811
05:09:22,488 --> 05:09:26,778
been participating in the joint servicing ... ... ... works

3812
05:09:26,808 --> 05:09:29,828
and we have been planning with the between the city

3813
05:09:29,828 --> 05:09:31,538
of Markham and the town is still will so we

3814
05:09:31,538 --> 05:09:34,528
have been working together and I was just gonna say

3815
05:09:34,528 --> 05:09:37,448
that yes you Markham has done something which it with

3816
05:09:37,448 --> 05:09:39,798
the city of Toronto and with the storm water management

3817
05:09:39,798 --> 05:09:42,428
pond which got picked up so so now carry no

3818
05:09:42,428 --> 05:09:46,158
would have she would like to add something Katerina I

3819
05:09:46,158 --> 05:09:49,238
didn't want to ... clarifying that she here ... as

3820
05:09:49,238 --> 05:09:52,138
he sometimes tends to do stole my thunder as well

3821
05:09:52,138 --> 05:09:56,268
simply added to it and not the lawyers for the

3822
05:09:56,268 --> 05:09:59,408
town of which are still so under city of Markham

3823
05:09:59,408 --> 05:10:02,558
and she cares lawyers myself and then my colleague Mary

3824
05:10:02,558 --> 05:10:05,638
Ellen bench we've been in discussions with respect to the

3825
05:10:05,638 --> 05:10:09,508
servicing arrangements for the answer to one lands ... and

3826
05:10:09,538 --> 05:10:13,278
adding to that discussion to service these additional lands I

3827
05:10:13,278 --> 05:10:16,298
would not be problematic we've identified the need for various

3828
05:10:16,298 --> 05:10:21,058
agreements ... which could address the servicing expenditure trust the

3829
05:10:21,058 --> 05:10:24,298
servicing of these lands and I will keep it ...

3830
05:10:24,388 --> 05:10:27,978
brief on that

3831
05:10:27,978 --> 05:10:30,298
okay I guess but

3832
05:10:30,298 --> 05:10:35,218
sorry Mr chairman I'll just say council Irish proceed

3833
05:10:35,218 --> 05:10:40,338
and very polite of you

3834
05:10:40,338 --> 05:10:42,658
I guess

3835
05:10:42,658 --> 05:10:44,608
when people

3836
05:10:44,608 --> 05:10:50,078
yeah yeah I suppose ... if if again ... committee

3837
05:10:50,078 --> 05:10:53,258
and council were to approve this and it made its

3838
05:10:53,258 --> 05:10:55,318
way to queens park and was approved again by the

3839
05:10:55,318 --> 05:10:58,868
minister what kind of guarantee and I see our solicitor

3840
05:10:58,868 --> 05:11:02,008
is is here what kind of guaranteed is the city

3841
05:11:02,008 --> 05:11:04,878
of Markham have that these arrangements would be the arrangements

3842
05:11:04,878 --> 05:11:05,858
of

3843
05:11:05,858 --> 05:11:07,728
would be honored

3844
05:11:07,728 --> 05:11:10,928
versus us suddenly finding out that ... we were on

3845
05:11:10,928 --> 05:11:13,928
the hook for all the servicing

3846
05:11:13,928 --> 05:11:17,218
so how much of a guarantee would we have

3847
05:11:17,218 --> 05:11:19,818
through through the chair it said challenge to answer that

3848
05:11:19,818 --> 05:11:23,888
question with a hundred percent certainty the province now has

3849
05:11:24,498 --> 05:11:29,938
... has expanded to their ability to our direct municipalities

3850
05:11:29,938 --> 05:11:33,348
to enter into site plan agreements ... I don't know

3851
05:11:33,348 --> 05:11:36,698
if that extends to all of the other agreements that

3852
05:11:36,698 --> 05:11:40,428
would be required for development of this nature ... so

3853
05:11:40,898 --> 05:11:44,648
we alternately you could be left I've negotiating what are

3854
05:11:44,648 --> 05:11:48,068
cross boundary servicing agreement would look like I don't have

3855
05:11:48,068 --> 05:11:50,098
the status of the existing when I do know that

3856
05:11:50,098 --> 05:11:53,798
we are working on as a cross boundary agreement to

3857
05:11:53,798 --> 05:11:57,858
servicing agreements with respect to the previous sunset ... approved

3858
05:11:58,218 --> 05:12:00,558
... but if we are unable to come to an

3859
05:12:00,558 --> 05:12:04,218
agreement ... I don't know if the province would then

3860
05:12:04,218 --> 05:12:07,208
have the authority to step in and and make an

3861
05:12:07,208 --> 05:12:09,988
order in that regard or not that's still a little

3862
05:12:09,988 --> 05:12:13,658
green we haven't seen enough ... of these sinus sorts

3863
05:12:13,658 --> 05:12:16,868
of cases where the province has stepped in to what

3864
05:12:16,868 --> 05:12:20,898
would typically be a municipal authority I'm sorry my answer

3865
05:12:20,898 --> 05:12:22,848
and that is that it's a bit up in the

3866
05:12:22,848 --> 05:12:25,248
air

3867
05:12:25,248 --> 05:12:28,208
all right my last question I hope it's a simple

3868
05:12:28,208 --> 05:12:30,108
one it should be

3869
05:12:30,108 --> 05:12:32,278
I'm sorry sugar did you have something you want to

3870
05:12:32,278 --> 05:12:35,848
add to that last one

3871
05:12:35,848 --> 05:12:40,418
yeah if me if I may please I

3872
05:12:40,418 --> 05:12:43,188
the thank you Sir so I just want to add

3873
05:12:43,188 --> 05:12:45,928
that I I ... ... so I would just like

3874
05:12:45,928 --> 05:12:48,128
to add that typically what happens is when we come

3875
05:12:48,128 --> 05:12:51,918
in well for the draft plan of subdivision application through

3876
05:12:51,918 --> 05:12:56,068
the draft approval process there's dropping conditions which the city

3877
05:12:56,068 --> 05:12:58,778
of Markham would ask us to enter into and those

3878
05:12:58,778 --> 05:13:01,678
will be conditions of the approval and we have to

3879
05:13:01,678 --> 05:13:04,748
fulfill all those conditions and then through those conditions usually

3880
05:13:04,748 --> 05:13:07,408
wanted the condition is to enter into a subdivision agreement

3881
05:13:07,408 --> 05:13:11,158
with the city of Markham through that subdivision agreement we

3882
05:13:11,158 --> 05:13:14,898
would be entering and posting the required letters of credit

3883
05:13:14,898 --> 05:13:17,488
for the infrastructure we would have to submit our engineering

3884
05:13:17,488 --> 05:13:21,008
drawings to the city of Markham older drawings once they're

3885
05:13:21,038 --> 05:13:24,638
approved once we have posted the required letters of credit

3886
05:13:24,668 --> 05:13:27,638
only then we can start the servicing so this would

3887
05:13:27,638 --> 05:13:30,378
be treated like a typical subdivision you would have in

3888
05:13:30,378 --> 05:13:33,048
the city of Markham when C. over dropping of ...

3889
05:13:33,048 --> 05:13:37,558
subdivision approved for residential ... the applicant comes then enters

3890
05:13:37,558 --> 05:13:40,068
into a subdivision agreement a go through your legal department

3891
05:13:40,408 --> 05:13:43,118
and we post the required securities we get the approvals

3892
05:13:43,118 --> 05:13:45,938
from your engineering planning urban design and only then we

3893
05:13:45,938 --> 05:13:49,118
can proceed so it will be very similar to ...

3894
05:13:49,118 --> 05:13:51,088
or it will be the same process that's what I

3895
05:13:51,088 --> 05:13:54,048
want to answer that's it thank you Hey thank you

3896
05:13:54,358 --> 05:13:56,368
so my my last question which I hope is a

3897
05:13:56,368 --> 05:14:00,088
simple one a straight forward one ... it it follows

3898
05:14:00,088 --> 05:14:02,718
along the mayors line of questioning at the very beginning

3899
05:14:02,718 --> 05:14:06,178
of this item ... before we took the break can

3900
05:14:06,178 --> 05:14:10,848
you answer for me how many acres are actually develop

3901
05:14:10,848 --> 05:14:14,118
a bowl because the staff report indicates that it's thirty

3902
05:14:14,118 --> 05:14:18,628
two hectares I'm old school so that seventy nine acres

3903
05:14:18,628 --> 05:14:22,288
and of what is developed people how much of that

3904
05:14:22,288 --> 05:14:26,938
is ... I guess it's classified as a one farmland

3905
05:14:26,938 --> 05:14:30,808
okay so ... I will answer this question so we

3906
05:14:30,808 --> 05:14:34,508
have grossed more or less area of one hundred and

3907
05:14:34,508 --> 05:14:38,068
ten acres so from the hundred and ten acres the

3908
05:14:38,068 --> 05:14:42,598
green belt and national heritage system mistaking thirty nine point

3909
05:14:42,598 --> 05:14:44,408
three acres

3910
05:14:44,408 --> 05:14:48,268
so if I take 10 minus 39.

3911
05:14:48,268 --> 05:14:51,618
three acres so we are left with seventy point seven

3912
05:14:51,648 --> 05:14:55,858
acres now on that seventy point seven acres we're going

3913
05:14:55,858 --> 05:14:58,888
to have the the seniors buildings we're going to have

3914
05:14:58,888 --> 05:15:02,628
roads we're going to have public parks we're going to

3915
05:15:02,628 --> 05:15:06,748
have ... to stormwater management ponds we're gonna have the

3916
05:15:06,748 --> 05:15:12,508
residential and open spaces everything else so ... out of

3917
05:15:12,508 --> 05:15:15,528
the grows hundred and ten acres thirty nine point eighty

3918
05:15:15,528 --> 05:15:19,698
six acres is gone towards the green belt and the

3919
05:15:19,698 --> 05:15:23,178
the City Markham's national heritage system as defined in the

3920
05:15:23,178 --> 05:15:27,448
official plan so that's that's the answer Sir

3921
05:15:27,448 --> 05:15:30,438
and look the last the last bit of my question

3922
05:15:30,438 --> 05:15:33,068
then was up that seventy how much of that is

3923
05:15:33,068 --> 05:15:36,158
farmland all of but

3924
05:15:36,158 --> 05:15:40,318
source thirty acre is basically the white belt or the

3925
05:15:40,318 --> 05:15:44,448
you call it farm where ... we are growing corn

3926
05:15:45,258 --> 05:15:50,218
for the animals ... ... so if you see these

3927
05:15:50,298 --> 05:15:52,438
two ... I don't know if you can see my

3928
05:15:52,438 --> 05:15:58,758
cursor loop the two big blue lines this is basically

3929
05:15:59,398 --> 05:16:02,128
the area we're developing but then this green area here

3930
05:16:02,128 --> 05:16:05,938
it's the natural heritage system which we cannot touch

3931
05:16:05,938 --> 05:16:09,218
Dan we have this green belt now we have a

3932
05:16:09,218 --> 05:16:11,558
little bit of national heritage system expanded here a little

3933
05:16:11,558 --> 05:16:13,938
bit here then we have the green belt on the

3934
05:16:13,938 --> 05:16:18,378
corner so that's something we cannot touch the the white

3935
05:16:18,378 --> 05:16:21,028
belt or the farm land where we are going forms

3936
05:16:21,028 --> 05:16:26,628
for the animals are here and here

3937
05:16:26,628 --> 05:16:28,508
in this area

3938
05:16:28,508 --> 05:16:33,668
so so that's what's gonna get developed developed all of

3939
05:16:33,668 --> 05:16:37,558
this plus this is seventy point seven acres more or

3940
05:16:37,558 --> 05:16:42,688
less which includes two parks which includes to stormwater management

3941
05:16:42,688 --> 05:16:46,988
ponds which include a pumping station which at one point

3942
05:16:46,988 --> 05:16:51,278
one hectare alone ... and all the real world species

3943
05:16:51,278 --> 05:16:54,508
shown over here and the seniors buildings

3944
05:16:54,508 --> 05:16:58,988
okay okay thank you thank you Mr chairman ... actually

3945
05:16:58,988 --> 05:17:01,408
could I just weigh in for one quick second please

3946
05:17:01,408 --> 05:17:06,288
so to also respond to councillor Irish the simple answer

3947
05:17:06,288 --> 05:17:09,588
is all of the lands are prime agricultural here so

3948
05:17:09,588 --> 05:17:13,168
they're all designated they are all rec recognizes primary cultural

3949
05:17:13,168 --> 05:17:17,438
class one and two lands

3950
05:17:17,438 --> 05:17:21,768
Deputy Mayor Hamilton

3951
05:17:21,768 --> 05:17:24,318
thank you Mr chair

3952
05:17:24,318 --> 05:17:25,648
I'm

3953
05:17:25,648 --> 05:17:28,528
listening intently with all the plans that are coming forward

3954
05:17:28,528 --> 05:17:29,738
but

3955
05:17:29,738 --> 05:17:33,778
and I am absolutely hundred percent sure that the Mr

3956
05:17:33,778 --> 05:17:36,368
ram to align flat or we'll do a cracker Jack

3957
05:17:36,368 --> 05:17:39,778
job a fantastic job of building what they promised the

3958
05:17:39,778 --> 05:17:43,118
bill it'll be a quality build it'll be a full

3959
05:17:43,118 --> 05:17:47,428
fledged community you'll have everything that the that we we

3960
05:17:47,428 --> 05:17:50,858
would like to have but I'm not at that point

3961
05:17:50,858 --> 05:17:53,218
where I won't even discuss that

3962
05:17:53,218 --> 05:17:57,758
I'm still wait back and trying to decide whether we

3963
05:17:57,758 --> 05:18:01,038
should be approving this Ms at all whether we should

3964
05:18:01,038 --> 05:18:04,508
get even past the post I don't know whether we

3965
05:18:04,508 --> 05:18:07,178
should Mister chair and so I do have a couple

3966
05:18:07,178 --> 05:18:10,468
of questions I'd like to ask for staff the first

3967
05:18:10,468 --> 05:18:13,698
one is sort of in response to councillor Irish question

3968
05:18:13,698 --> 05:18:17,618
about the likelihood of being part of the land needs

3969
05:18:17,618 --> 05:18:20,748
assessment so if this land is not part of the

3970
05:18:20,748 --> 05:18:24,728
municipal comprehensive review isn't it

3971
05:18:24,728 --> 05:18:29,028
practically speaking an impossibility for this land not even one

3972
05:18:29,028 --> 05:18:31,878
centimeter of it to be included

3973
05:18:31,878 --> 05:18:34,028
in the land needs assessment that's going to come out

3974
05:18:34,028 --> 05:18:35,848
from the region

3975
05:18:35,848 --> 05:18:39,268
zoom in response to the chair the region is undertaking

3976
05:18:39,268 --> 05:18:42,748
and municipal comprehensive review looking at all lands across the

3977
05:18:42,748 --> 05:18:46,588
entire region it includes these lands as well the land

3978
05:18:46,588 --> 05:18:52,268
needs assessment will identify determined existing needs existing supply and

3979
05:18:52,268 --> 05:18:56,998
then output what potential additional lands may be required for

3980
05:18:57,028 --> 05:19:00,908
urban expansion through their municipal comprehensive review and their official

3981
05:19:00,908 --> 05:19:05,898
plan review process once that is a determined they would

3982
05:19:05,898 --> 05:19:08,938
then apply the other policies of the growth plan for

3983
05:19:08,938 --> 05:19:12,568
the greater golden horseshoe and provincial policy statement to look

3984
05:19:12,568 --> 05:19:17,018
at where lands should be urbanized which looks at agricultural

3985
05:19:17,018 --> 05:19:19,638
lands it looks at heritage it looks that were a

3986
05:19:19,638 --> 05:19:22,298
lands as well and the White the lands that have

3987
05:19:22,298 --> 05:19:25,118
been part of this conversation

3988
05:19:25,118 --> 05:19:28,408
but realistically I mean sure they're looking at every square

3989
05:19:28,408 --> 05:19:33,398
inch of ... York region but really realistically as you

3990
05:19:33,398 --> 05:19:36,698
said earlier I believe they're all that we move from

3991
05:19:36,698 --> 05:19:39,908
south to north and I think you said west to

3992
05:19:39,908 --> 05:19:42,108
east I think you said it could have been East

3993
05:19:42,108 --> 05:19:45,338
West but certainly from the south to the north so

3994
05:19:45,338 --> 05:19:49,828
this parcel really practically speaking is not not on the

3995
05:19:49,828 --> 05:19:53,518
radar whatsoever isn't

3996
05:19:53,518 --> 05:19:57,008
soon through the chair I can't speak for the region

3997
05:19:57,288 --> 05:20:00,458
and what they are putting forward or not but I

3998
05:20:00,458 --> 05:20:03,508
can advise that in order to do a municipal comprehensive

3999
05:20:03,508 --> 05:20:06,638
review they need to assess all lands look at the

4000
05:20:06,638 --> 05:20:10,778
existing supply and then determine where future need as as

4001
05:20:10,778 --> 05:20:13,948
I indicated earlier historic pattern of growth for the city

4002
05:20:13,948 --> 05:20:17,368
has been building before you build out and starting from

4003
05:20:17,368 --> 05:20:20,438
the south and west and then moving north and east

4004
05:20:21,128 --> 05:20:23,788
so essentially that is why there is a gap of

4005
05:20:23,818 --> 05:20:28,318
non urban lands ... between this proposed ministers on an

4006
05:20:28,318 --> 05:20:32,418
order request and the urban area to the south

4007
05:20:32,418 --> 05:20:35,538
so this your comment brings me to my second question

4008
05:20:35,538 --> 05:20:38,288
which I think I'm going to direct Mr chairman through

4009
05:20:38,288 --> 05:20:42,698
you to ... commissioner Prasad ...

4010
05:20:42,698 --> 05:20:46,118
the region seems to be the the ghost partner here

4011
05:20:46,588 --> 05:20:49,508
... they don't seem to be consulted on these M.

4012
05:20:49,508 --> 05:20:52,738
settles and and when we were talking about the one

4013
05:20:52,738 --> 05:20:55,818
this morning I can understand it really doesn't have much

4014
05:20:55,818 --> 05:20:58,238
to do with the region it's really focused on the

4015
05:20:58,238 --> 05:21:04,978
city but here we've heard repeatedly about sewage about water

4016
05:21:04,978 --> 05:21:08,188
you know about the the

4017
05:21:08,188 --> 05:21:12,468
comprehensive review the municipal comprehensive review that's going on that's

4018
05:21:12,468 --> 05:21:15,358
all being conducted by the region and yet I don't

4019
05:21:15,358 --> 05:21:18,748
see anybody on this call from the region to say

4020
05:21:18,748 --> 05:21:21,448
yes this is a good idea to have have this

4021
05:21:21,448 --> 05:21:25,028
land or no it's not a good idea so I'll

4022
05:21:25,028 --> 05:21:28,788
be I'll be honest I think I called the the

4023
05:21:28,788 --> 05:21:33,428
... chief planner for York region all three men unfortunately

4024
05:21:33,428 --> 05:21:37,958
he couldn't be here today to to ... to participate

4025
05:21:38,608 --> 05:21:42,878
but I think he did speak to commissioner Prasad so

4026
05:21:42,878 --> 05:21:46,628
I'd like commissioner Prasad to to let us know where

4027
05:21:46,628 --> 05:21:49,928
the region stance on this because I'm quite concerned that

4028
05:21:49,928 --> 05:21:53,238
we're doing things without any concern for the region and

4029
05:21:53,238 --> 05:21:57,088
it's planning this is it you know they go through

4030
05:21:57,088 --> 05:22:01,948
planning for every municipality through the MCR and they're the

4031
05:22:01,948 --> 05:22:05,588
ones that originally ... allocate the sewage they are the

4032
05:22:05,588 --> 05:22:09,178
ones that built the big York a district sewer pipes

4033
05:22:09,448 --> 05:22:15,988
etcetera so can I hear please Mister chairman former commissioner

4034
05:22:15,988 --> 05:22:20,208
Mr Prasad yes throughout through you Mr chairman I did

4035
05:22:20,208 --> 05:22:23,538
have an opportunity to speak to you ... the regional

4036
05:22:23,538 --> 05:22:28,108
chief planner about this matter and I can confirm that

4037
05:22:28,138 --> 05:22:29,678
you know what to do with weird it to the

4038
05:22:30,028 --> 05:22:32,288
two tier system

4039
05:22:32,288 --> 05:22:33,908
rate if you if you got it ends that ...

4040
05:22:33,908 --> 05:22:37,548
and Hamilton and our Toronto

4041
05:22:37,548 --> 05:22:40,598
... it's gonna be good the municipality has all the

4042
05:22:40,598 --> 05:22:44,008
information in front of it ... we have a two

4043
05:22:44,008 --> 05:22:48,688
tier system the region is responsible for certain things that

4044
05:22:48,858 --> 05:22:53,938
today let the local area municipality is not responsible for

4045
05:22:53,938 --> 05:22:58,698
servicing and some aspects of servicing some aspects of environmental

4046
05:22:58,878 --> 05:23:04,638
regional roads are transit so do it didn't deter so

4047
05:23:04,638 --> 05:23:08,188
there there is unless the region is consulted you're not

4048
05:23:08,188 --> 05:23:11,308
gonna get a lot of intelligence in terms of what

4049
05:23:11,308 --> 05:23:14,988
is the impact of any proposal on those types of

4050
05:23:14,988 --> 05:23:18,768
regional services remember this is the best phone zoning or

4051
05:23:18,768 --> 05:23:23,338
a ministers only order zoning is the operative word zoning

4052
05:23:23,338 --> 05:23:25,898
rests with the local municipality with their it is folly

4053
05:23:26,158 --> 05:23:28,088
the city of Markham

4054
05:23:28,088 --> 05:23:32,888
we take care of zoning so the minister in circulating

4055
05:23:32,888 --> 05:23:36,418
them settle for comments it's going to circulated to that

4056
05:23:36,668 --> 05:23:40,668
but I asked for comments from that level of minutes

4057
05:23:41,358 --> 05:23:45,298
of government that's responsible for zoning so it comes to

4058
05:23:45,298 --> 05:23:48,718
us in Markham Intrada comes across but you know there

4059
05:23:48,718 --> 05:23:51,708
too no one here right so I did speak to

4060
05:23:51,708 --> 05:23:55,458
him and he is frustrated about that process the chief

4061
05:23:55,458 --> 05:24:00,398
planner is frustrated that the ... the region are rarely

4062
05:24:00,398 --> 05:24:03,818
... gets asked for comments on these types of our

4063
05:24:04,128 --> 05:24:08,338
publications is definitely something that I encourage fall to talk

4064
05:24:08,338 --> 05:24:11,788
to the minister's office about and discuss because they provide

4065
05:24:11,788 --> 05:24:13,828
a valuable service

4066
05:24:13,828 --> 05:24:16,258
to us in terms of development

4067
05:24:16,258 --> 05:24:19,308
so ... does but my discussion with him ball ...

4068
05:24:19,308 --> 05:24:23,528
Freeman ... has reviewed the report on your agenda today

4069
05:24:23,798 --> 05:24:25,558
and he agrees with it

4070
05:24:25,558 --> 05:24:30,318
he agrees that it's premature this application he agrees that

4071
05:24:30,598 --> 05:24:34,658
his misspoke comprehensive review process which is going to establish

4072
05:24:34,658 --> 05:24:36,468
the land needed

4073
05:24:36,468 --> 05:24:41,718
for development going forward is just several months away

4074
05:24:41,718 --> 05:24:44,688
so his point of view on this matter is you

4075
05:24:44,688 --> 05:24:46,758
know we're almost there at the finish line and working

4076
05:24:46,758 --> 05:24:50,168
on my MCR for number of ... you months or

4077
05:24:50,168 --> 05:24:53,948
I guess the over a year now ... and his

4078
05:24:53,948 --> 05:24:57,708
process will advise the city of Markham all the Ministry

4079
05:24:57,708 --> 05:25:01,218
all these how much urban land is required

4080
05:25:01,218 --> 05:25:04,508
having regard for the areas that are intensifying in our

4081
05:25:04,508 --> 05:25:07,958
communities having regard for the density that we're trying to

4082
05:25:07,958 --> 05:25:11,588
create having regard for the need for ground related housing

4083
05:25:11,588 --> 05:25:14,268
issues or not I delighted to do of what's called

4084
05:25:14,268 --> 05:25:17,378
the land budget assessment

4085
05:25:17,378 --> 05:25:21,298
the province gives us criteria to do this assessment so

4086
05:25:21,298 --> 05:25:24,598
the region is gone pretty much completed that process and

4087
05:25:24,598 --> 05:25:27,398
we'll be hearing soon from them the next several months

4088
05:25:27,398 --> 05:25:29,958
from what I understand in terms of how much additional

4089
05:25:29,958 --> 05:25:33,818
land is required in York region and its member municipalities

4090
05:25:33,818 --> 05:25:38,438
for urban expansion which this is

4091
05:25:38,438 --> 05:25:41,578
so my safe to say that but not only the

4092
05:25:41,578 --> 05:25:45,868
city staff not support this but the chief planner of

4093
05:25:45,868 --> 05:25:49,048
York region does does agree with

4094
05:25:49,048 --> 05:25:53,788
city staff and therefore does not support this Ms that'll

4095
05:25:53,788 --> 05:25:56,808
yeah I did you have spoken to him directly he

4096
05:25:56,808 --> 05:25:59,908
agrees with the staff recommendation okay

4097
05:25:59,908 --> 05:26:02,988
okay thank you for that my last question I think

4098
05:26:02,988 --> 05:26:06,708
this goes to Daryl alliance through you Mr chairman if

4099
05:26:06,708 --> 05:26:08,108
I may

4100
05:26:08,108 --> 05:26:13,758
what does comply with city and regional facing policies

4101
05:26:13,758 --> 05:26:18,068
and if not what sort of consequences are

4102
05:26:18,068 --> 05:26:20,168
possible

4103
05:26:20,168 --> 05:26:24,078
so through the chair the current market official plan twenty

4104
05:26:24,078 --> 05:26:27,348
fourteen these lands are outside of the urban area the

4105
05:26:27,348 --> 05:26:30,178
phasing of Development is for dealing with lands with in

4106
05:26:30,178 --> 05:26:34,078
the urban area so in this situation our official plan

4107
05:26:34,078 --> 05:26:37,488
currently has policies that for any land outside to do

4108
05:26:37,488 --> 05:26:40,108
is I'm the better expansion shall be undertaken through and

4109
05:26:40,108 --> 05:26:42,548
that's full comprehensive review

4110
05:26:42,548 --> 05:26:46,098
the region's official plan currently requires a meniscal comprehensive review

4111
05:26:46,098 --> 05:26:49,748
for settlement boundary expansions as well that's based on the

4112
05:26:49,778 --> 05:26:52,008
old version of that at the growth plan and the

4113
05:26:52,008 --> 05:26:55,078
new new growth plan as well carries for with the

4114
05:26:55,078 --> 05:26:57,388
framework which is why the region is doing in the

4115
05:26:57,388 --> 05:27:00,088
next full comprehensive review process right now in order to

4116
05:27:00,088 --> 05:27:04,458
do their conformity exercise to the growth plan

4117
05:27:04,458 --> 05:27:09,518
well I remain concerned about about this ... it was

4118
05:27:09,518 --> 05:27:13,478
that ... I wasn't concerned about the other one I

4119
05:27:13,568 --> 05:27:17,828
agree with the Maryland Ginsburg and also Peter me ask

4120
05:27:18,128 --> 05:27:23,628
in their comments that this is leapfrogging therefore spots only

4121
05:27:24,298 --> 05:27:27,028
and given what I've heard it just I think it's

4122
05:27:27,028 --> 05:27:30,048
gonna throw the plan of like I'm even concerned Mr

4123
05:27:30,048 --> 05:27:31,748
chairman

4124
05:27:31,748 --> 05:27:34,928
and I guess it's a question to Daryl if if

4125
05:27:34,928 --> 05:27:39,118
there's certain allocations given ... like in aggregate there's a

4126
05:27:39,118 --> 05:27:43,948
certain number of allocations available once this MCR is done

4127
05:27:44,648 --> 05:27:49,048
and this spot zoning if you wanna call it that

4128
05:27:49,048 --> 05:27:51,008
this Ms that'll

4129
05:27:51,008 --> 05:27:54,098
uses some of that up then that means there is

4130
05:27:54,098 --> 05:27:57,698
gonna be last four goals that have been in the

4131
05:27:57,698 --> 05:28:00,878
normal processes in the normal queue am I right on

4132
05:28:00,878 --> 05:28:01,998
that

4133
05:28:01,998 --> 05:28:04,978
through the chair you are correct in the fact that

4134
05:28:04,978 --> 05:28:07,798
went any development occurs in any area of the city

4135
05:28:07,798 --> 05:28:10,838
of course that could potentially have an impact on service

4136
05:28:10,838 --> 05:28:15,158
allocation and on land use implication the amenities transit supportive

4137
05:28:15,158 --> 05:28:17,288
nest there's a whole bunch of different things that would

4138
05:28:17,288 --> 05:28:20,488
go into that type of exercise so yes there is

4139
05:28:20,488 --> 05:28:24,318
a possibility that if development is directed in this direction

4140
05:28:24,348 --> 05:28:27,568
as I mentioned before the approach that mark and at

4141
05:28:27,618 --> 05:28:32,028
has taken historically is is urban expansions from the south

4142
05:28:32,458 --> 05:28:36,278
going north and northeast not from the north going down

4143
05:28:36,698 --> 05:28:40,198
having recognizing as well that the minister has need ministers

4144
05:28:40,198 --> 05:28:43,318
on order which are still and that is what top

4145
05:28:43,318 --> 05:28:46,978
rated development incorporated is looking after that visioning exercise that

4146
05:28:47,168 --> 05:28:49,528
we don't know at this point we're only a short

4147
05:28:49,528 --> 05:28:51,938
few months away to see what the land needs assessment

4148
05:28:51,938 --> 05:28:54,758
is going to give us from the region and at

4149
05:28:54,758 --> 05:28:56,758
this point we don't know where that growth is going

4150
05:28:56,758 --> 05:29:00,938
to be allocated or needed for boundary expansion

4151
05:29:00,938 --> 05:29:04,428
would you expect Darryl ... through you Mr chairman to

4152
05:29:04,428 --> 05:29:08,948
Darrell again would you expect to see ... more Ms

4153
05:29:08,948 --> 05:29:14,088
that all applications from other developers ... if this one

4154
05:29:14,088 --> 05:29:16,648
is successful

4155
05:29:16,648 --> 05:29:19,358
through the internet I think it what what wouldn't site

4156
05:29:19,358 --> 05:29:23,478
people are incentivize them to use that recourse rather than

4157
05:29:24,118 --> 05:29:28,018
what all being the normal process

4158
05:29:28,018 --> 05:29:31,698
through the chair that is quite possible in the fact

4159
05:29:31,698 --> 05:29:35,708
that administers zoning order essentially console right through the region's

4160
05:29:35,708 --> 05:29:39,798
planning process the city's planning process and technically the minister

4161
05:29:39,798 --> 05:29:42,498
of municipal affairs has owned and has all of the

4162
05:29:42,498 --> 05:29:44,808
wording regarding that piece of land that they include your

4163
05:29:44,808 --> 05:29:47,538
ministers on in order to the extent of any conflict

4164
05:29:47,538 --> 05:29:51,228
with our local documents so it is possible and if

4165
05:29:51,228 --> 05:29:53,558
people find that this is a path that they can

4166
05:29:53,558 --> 05:29:58,008
get through quicker potentially then it could be I used

4167
05:29:58,008 --> 05:30:00,948
in the future but it's unknown it depends on when

4168
05:30:00,948 --> 05:30:03,838
an applicant or not comes forward to the minister of

4169
05:30:03,838 --> 05:30:06,678
municipal affairs requesting in order

4170
05:30:06,678 --> 05:30:08,758
but it quickly pressure

4171
05:30:08,758 --> 05:30:11,268
thank you thank you Mr chairman those are my questions

4172
05:30:11,898 --> 05:30:15,618
here all when we moved from ... twenty forty one

4173
05:30:15,758 --> 05:30:19,378
to twenty fifty one what was the increase in population

4174
05:30:19,378 --> 05:30:22,488
that the region has to

4175
05:30:22,488 --> 05:30:27,668
so currently just give me one moment

4176
05:30:27,668 --> 05:30:31,738
all

4177
05:30:31,738 --> 05:30:33,688
I want to say that it increased the number of

4178
05:30:33,688 --> 05:30:36,408
eight thousand but

4179
05:30:36,408 --> 05:30:46,068
I don't have to just grab that schedule 3

4180
05:30:46,068 --> 05:30:50,528
in the province is consistently always up updating our numbers

4181
05:30:50,558 --> 05:30:54,248
are increasing their numbers maybe two year and maybe it's

4182
05:30:54,248 --> 05:30:57,058
a hundred thousand today two reasons it could be a

4183
05:30:57,058 --> 05:30:59,868
hundred and fifty thousand

4184
05:30:59,868 --> 05:31:05,548
corrected so ... regional chair so just start data growth

4185
05:31:05,548 --> 05:31:08,138
plan for the greater golden horseshoe to schedule three it

4186
05:31:08,288 --> 05:31:11,448
only allocates up to a single tear or not particular

4187
05:31:11,448 --> 05:31:14,518
out level so we don't have specific numbers for the

4188
05:31:14,518 --> 05:31:17,258
city of Markham that's what the land needs assessment work

4189
05:31:17,538 --> 05:31:20,298
and the municipal comprehensive review process that the region is

4190
05:31:20,298 --> 05:31:25,088
currently undertaking would then allocate population employment forecast to ...

4191
05:31:25,548 --> 05:31:29,338
to the City of ... of Markham so currently within

4192
05:31:29,338 --> 05:31:33,358
York region the numbers have changed in the fact that

4193
05:31:33,738 --> 05:31:38,008
I twenty ... forty one numbers were seventeen one one

4194
05:31:38,008 --> 05:31:41,638
point one point million seven hundred ninety thousand for population

4195
05:31:41,638 --> 05:31:45,748
for twenty forty one and when it went out through

4196
05:31:45,748 --> 05:31:50,258
amendment one to the growth plan it increased the numbers

4197
05:31:50,288 --> 05:31:55,258
to one point nine so it increased two point two

4198
05:31:55,258 --> 05:31:59,548
point six we're sorry two hundred sixty thousand population difference

4199
05:31:59,548 --> 05:32:02,888
of twenty forty one to twenty five only certain municipalities

4200
05:32:02,888 --> 05:32:06,438
that have room for growth okay Martin's one of up

4201
05:32:06,948 --> 05:32:10,968
on ten these culinary but he's calling very and that

4202
05:32:10,968 --> 05:32:14,168
we have a a servicing problem let's look at the

4203
05:32:14,168 --> 05:32:16,118
results

4204
05:32:16,118 --> 05:32:18,008
our next is

4205
05:32:18,008 --> 05:32:22,408
hello Catherine

4206
05:32:22,408 --> 05:32:25,678
wants to speak

4207
05:32:25,678 --> 05:32:27,988
thank you Mr chair I just wanted to comment with

4208
05:32:27,988 --> 05:32:33,538
respect to the MCR ... discussion that we're having ...

4209
05:32:33,568 --> 05:32:36,808
and I'm not suggesting that the and so that was

4210
05:32:36,808 --> 05:32:39,718
approved in this morning is is not appropriate but in

4211
05:32:39,718 --> 05:32:43,608
in terms of the ... it considerations of an MCR

4212
05:32:43,608 --> 05:32:46,708
process and what goes into the land needs and Alice

4213
05:32:46,708 --> 05:32:50,028
as a defeat some of the uses that are proposed

4214
05:32:50,028 --> 05:32:53,478
in the minister zoning water from this morning would equally

4215
05:32:53,478 --> 05:32:56,508
be ones that would be considered through an MCR process

4216
05:32:56,598 --> 05:32:58,748
such as I believe and I'm I'm not a land

4217
05:32:58,748 --> 05:32:59,348
use plan or

4218
05:32:59,348 --> 05:33:02,378
a lawyer but I believe ... the retirement home and

4219
05:33:02,378 --> 05:33:06,048
life lease as would also be residential uses ... what

4220
05:33:06,048 --> 05:33:10,008
I'm trying to say Sir is the MCR although that

4221
05:33:10,008 --> 05:33:12,308
is what we are asked to do in the province

4222
05:33:12,308 --> 05:33:15,068
of Ontario and that hasn't changed I think there's been

4223
05:33:15,068 --> 05:33:18,978
a recognition by our provincial government not as a the

4224
05:33:18,978 --> 05:33:21,858
Mayor puts it the planning process is broken and there

4225
05:33:21,858 --> 05:33:26,568
has been some additional opportunity of both through the use

4226
05:33:26,568 --> 05:33:30,468
of and Santos and indeed growth plan policies to recognize

4227
05:33:30,798 --> 05:33:35,058
that growth could occur outside of that MCR process if

4228
05:33:35,058 --> 05:33:37,578
we're waiting for the MCR to be concluded and I'm

4229
05:33:37,578 --> 05:33:40,568
not faulting the region for this it's a complicated process

4230
05:33:40,858 --> 05:33:43,788
that has changed and the only has just been finalized

4231
05:33:43,788 --> 05:33:46,388
recently ... in terms of the province's process but if

4232
05:33:46,388 --> 05:33:48,498
we're waiting for that and see are to be concluded

4233
05:33:48,858 --> 05:33:52,048
as I mentioned earlier this afternoon we're losing an opportunity

4234
05:33:52,048 --> 05:33:56,178
here ... debt it will extend these lands coming in

4235
05:33:56,178 --> 05:33:58,258
if they are brought into the urban and inter the

4236
05:33:58,258 --> 05:34:02,458
urban boundary for anywhere from five to ten years or

4237
05:34:02,458 --> 05:34:04,528
more ...

4238
05:34:04,528 --> 05:34:06,948
if we're serious about fixing the problem of where to

4239
05:34:06,948 --> 05:34:11,548
pull housing of seniors affordability and and allowing that segment

4240
05:34:11,548 --> 05:34:14,658
of the population have access to homes I am clear

4241
05:34:14,658 --> 05:34:17,388
that the time is now for this and not waiting

4242
05:34:17,388 --> 05:34:21,558
for the answer to be concluded

4243
05:34:21,558 --> 05:34:23,498
okay thank you

4244
05:34:23,498 --> 05:34:30,548
next is nurse for PT

4245
05:34:30,548 --> 05:34:34,998
I'm sure ... banks and and ... it's it's been

4246
05:34:34,998 --> 05:34:39,188
McCrank great to hear both the questions and the answers

4247
05:34:39,188 --> 05:34:43,168
and and to hear some context of what what's before

4248
05:34:43,168 --> 05:34:49,468
us maybe just to clarify something ... the the region

4249
05:34:49,728 --> 05:34:54,238
... was delegated a certain planning approvals maybe Daryl can

4250
05:34:54,238 --> 05:34:58,528
confirm this so in in some respects and certain parts

4251
05:34:58,558 --> 05:35:03,508
of the planning process ... the region acts on behalf

4252
05:35:03,538 --> 05:35:07,718
of the province in that it's been delegated authority to

4253
05:35:07,718 --> 05:35:11,338
approve our official plan so and I will go through

4254
05:35:11,338 --> 05:35:14,018
the long list that I ate does maybe Gerald can

4255
05:35:14,018 --> 05:35:16,868
use speaks about just for a second

4256
05:35:16,868 --> 05:35:20,058
yes so through the chair in in response to that

4257
05:35:20,058 --> 05:35:24,218
question the province has it through the structure created for

4258
05:35:24,218 --> 05:35:27,698
a particular lower tier single tear has delegated and or

4259
05:35:27,698 --> 05:35:31,258
assigned planning authorities for a variety of different things but

4260
05:35:31,258 --> 05:35:34,078
in this situation given that the region is undertaking a

4261
05:35:34,078 --> 05:35:37,578
municipal comprehensive review which is under section twenty six of

4262
05:35:37,578 --> 05:35:39,738
the planning act that's the five year or ten year

4263
05:35:39,738 --> 05:35:42,928
review depending on which one you're doing bye under that

4264
05:35:42,958 --> 05:35:46,328
the province is the planning authority so once the region

4265
05:35:46,328 --> 05:35:49,368
has completed their new official plan program through this municipal

4266
05:35:49,368 --> 05:35:52,978
comprehensive review process it would be adopted and sent to

4267
05:35:52,978 --> 05:35:55,638
the province for approval

4268
05:35:55,638 --> 05:35:58,058
okay so I just I just in case there was

4269
05:35:58,058 --> 05:36:03,488
questions about some of the region's Roland announcement Lee ...

4270
05:36:03,538 --> 05:36:07,318
who gives approval to these things ... I think that

4271
05:36:07,318 --> 05:36:10,968
there are you provided even further clarification and then maybe

4272
05:36:10,968 --> 05:36:14,378
I was even suggesting so about that right I really

4273
05:36:14,378 --> 05:36:17,448
do appreciate that and I I'm glad we've got general

4274
05:36:17,948 --> 05:36:21,118
to provide that so that expertise because he came from

4275
05:36:21,118 --> 05:36:23,348
the province of Ontario

4276
05:36:23,348 --> 05:36:26,708
well Mister chair I I wanna others of seven but

4277
05:36:26,708 --> 05:36:29,798
I wanna thank the ... the people who came forward

4278
05:36:29,798 --> 05:36:35,138
today and and mate ... deputations ... ... it's clear

4279
05:36:35,168 --> 05:36:38,268
... that that again ... these comments that have been

4280
05:36:38,268 --> 05:36:42,278
made about this ... particular application some of them what

4281
05:36:42,278 --> 05:36:46,508
apply generally to the ... the issue that we have

4282
05:36:46,508 --> 05:36:49,328
at hand and many of you ever for so where

4283
05:36:49,878 --> 05:36:53,748
is the ... the planning and ... gross that's going

4284
05:36:53,748 --> 05:36:57,518
to happen in the region for the next forty years

4285
05:36:57,698 --> 05:37:01,858
and and that's a big undertaking and ... would like

4286
05:37:01,858 --> 05:37:04,798
to be able to say that in in forty years

4287
05:37:05,038 --> 05:37:09,808
of projection moving forward ... that that serve planning would

4288
05:37:09,808 --> 05:37:12,768
be a science and ... would be able to figure

4289
05:37:12,768 --> 05:37:16,828
out every last square sports and just how much space

4290
05:37:16,828 --> 05:37:20,408
we need to accommodate that growth and to to meet

4291
05:37:20,408 --> 05:37:24,568
the various ... demands so I I do appreciate that

4292
05:37:24,568 --> 05:37:28,388
the perspectives are brought forward I I will maybe in

4293
05:37:28,388 --> 05:37:31,908
on again ... one could probably saying if if he

4294
05:37:31,908 --> 05:37:34,488
one thing hadn't happened and then the other thing hadn't

4295
05:37:34,488 --> 05:37:37,588
happened ... I might not be able to say what

4296
05:37:37,588 --> 05:37:41,588
I'm about to say but I think this particular ...

4297
05:37:42,278 --> 05:37:46,648
issue that's before us this morning is in the context

4298
05:37:46,648 --> 05:37:48,568
of what exists today and I and I and that's

4299
05:37:48,568 --> 05:37:52,828
is why ask for clarification of the status of the

4300
05:37:52,828 --> 05:37:58,308
lands are north of us ... I wouldn't necessarily classify

4301
05:37:58,308 --> 05:38:00,928
as a spot rezoning

4302
05:38:00,928 --> 05:38:04,098
now now let me tell you if a similar type

4303
05:38:04,098 --> 05:38:06,868
of applications demand

4304
05:38:06,868 --> 05:38:09,728
on Allegan mills

4305
05:38:09,728 --> 05:38:14,278
are in the middle of nowhere ... not connected to

4306
05:38:14,618 --> 05:38:20,498
any other community ... and certainly not planned for ...

4307
05:38:20,498 --> 05:38:23,258
in terms of the context of a of a broader

4308
05:38:23,258 --> 05:38:28,018
community then I agree that that is an eighty

4309
05:38:28,018 --> 05:38:31,748
what you might want to qualify as either spot rezoning

4310
05:38:31,748 --> 05:38:36,158
or or something being dealt with in an isolation and

4311
05:38:36,188 --> 05:38:39,448
... I would just say that that given that the

4312
05:38:39,448 --> 05:38:43,758
previous decisions not just of the province of Ontario but

4313
05:38:43,758 --> 05:38:49,518
also the municipality of which sold well ... I I

4314
05:38:49,518 --> 05:38:52,218
wouldn't go as far as saying that it's spot rezoning

4315
05:38:52,218 --> 05:38:56,398
there is very much integrated into our broader plan

4316
05:38:56,398 --> 05:38:58,938
and and the other thing I'll say it's tough you

4317
05:38:58,938 --> 05:39:01,888
know because we we do take pride in our political

4318
05:39:02,378 --> 05:39:05,868
... slash municipal boundaries

4319
05:39:05,868 --> 05:39:08,368
but let's face it if you were dividing up the

4320
05:39:08,368 --> 05:39:10,428
lines today

4321
05:39:10,428 --> 05:39:14,978
I'm between minister polities are the reality is you wouldn't

4322
05:39:14,978 --> 05:39:18,978
call one block north are a part of a lot

4323
05:39:18,978 --> 05:39:22,778
of north of nineteen thousand you give someone was dividing

4324
05:39:22,778 --> 05:39:27,618
that line up today in reality they say nineteenth Avenue

4325
05:39:28,178 --> 05:39:32,988
letter realistically probably should be the ... the ... miscible

4326
05:39:32,988 --> 05:39:36,668
boundary between Markham and stalled out that by the way

4327
05:39:37,018 --> 05:39:39,908
I'm not ... indicating in any way that I think

4328
05:39:39,908 --> 05:39:42,428
the boundary should be both just in case someone is

4329
05:39:43,058 --> 05:39:45,938
getting so excited the north of us ... with which

4330
05:39:45,938 --> 05:39:48,818
would still while I'm not advocating that at all fair

4331
05:39:48,818 --> 05:39:52,568
to say though that I think if we were doing

4332
05:39:52,568 --> 05:39:57,678
municipal boundaries planning properly it would be a major roles

4333
05:39:57,778 --> 05:40:01,628
like ... nineteenth Avenue that would most likely be the

4334
05:40:01,758 --> 05:40:07,518
dividing line between the two municipalities so I I appreciate

4335
05:40:07,518 --> 05:40:10,538
the comments other comments made today in relation to some

4336
05:40:10,538 --> 05:40:14,028
other issues up and Mister chair I think they do

4337
05:40:14,028 --> 05:40:18,818
apply generally and you know again ... maybe in another

4338
05:40:18,818 --> 05:40:23,588
forum maybe the province ... should be demonstrating yet again

4339
05:40:23,658 --> 05:40:26,928
... but there's been a lot of work ... pertaining

4340
05:40:26,928 --> 05:40:30,848
to the growth that stuff happened in in the GTA

4341
05:40:31,328 --> 05:40:34,658
are out for the next used to be twenty years

4342
05:40:34,838 --> 05:40:37,308
now they used to be thirty years now we're up

4343
05:40:37,308 --> 05:40:40,468
to forty years and who knows ... you never know

4344
05:40:40,468 --> 05:40:43,368
if there is a ... ... something that happens it

4345
05:40:43,438 --> 05:40:46,628
sells is the plan even further out from that but

4346
05:40:46,628 --> 05:40:50,338
many of the issues ... spoken about they do relate

4347
05:40:50,338 --> 05:40:54,058
to those fundamental debates about how much we can grow

4348
05:40:54,058 --> 05:40:58,558
where can we grow and then the viability of a

4349
05:40:58,558 --> 05:41:01,858
food ... source and and all of those issues that

4350
05:41:01,858 --> 05:41:04,908
their politicians to to raise and I think we do

4351
05:41:04,908 --> 05:41:08,198
need to be raised within the broader context of of

4352
05:41:08,198 --> 05:41:10,428
the the the policy related to

4353
05:41:10,428 --> 05:41:14,298
two of the province of Ontario or not so they're

4354
05:41:14,398 --> 05:41:16,588
they're not small items to deal with and they should

4355
05:41:16,588 --> 05:41:19,938
be should be dealt with so I just say this

4356
05:41:19,968 --> 05:41:21,828
... and I thought it was going to come up

4357
05:41:21,828 --> 05:41:25,598
and and perhaps some of the commentary ... I wanna

4358
05:41:25,598 --> 05:41:28,128
let you know that when I found out about this

4359
05:41:28,428 --> 05:41:33,178
as late as last week ... I reached out to

4360
05:41:33,218 --> 05:41:35,868
... the applicant because I wanted to understand what was

4361
05:41:35,868 --> 05:41:39,828
being proposed but I also wanted to make sure

4362
05:41:39,828 --> 05:41:43,628
that as much as ... this is being driven perhaps

4363
05:41:43,628 --> 05:41:47,658
by another process Mister chair that the city of Markham

4364
05:41:47,658 --> 05:41:52,228
was also going to derive ... as much benefit recognizing

4365
05:41:52,228 --> 05:41:56,758
that at some point ... we ... we probably are

4366
05:41:56,758 --> 05:41:59,408
in a position where we've asked for so much that

4367
05:41:59,488 --> 05:42:03,168
that so perhaps ... the applicant wouldn't wouldn't proceed I

4368
05:42:03,168 --> 05:42:06,658
don't know all but I certainly did have the discussion

4369
05:42:06,658 --> 05:42:08,908
about other things that that we can do and let

4370
05:42:08,908 --> 05:42:11,428
me just start off by saying the first thing you

4371
05:42:11,428 --> 05:42:14,958
know when we talk about environmental impacts

4372
05:42:14,958 --> 05:42:17,888
you know ... and it's not necessarily related to the

4373
05:42:17,888 --> 05:42:20,448
current the ends at all but yeah as part of

4374
05:42:20,448 --> 05:42:24,488
the condition of the last one we ensure that the

4375
05:42:24,488 --> 05:42:30,228
servicing both water and sewer was going to be extended

4376
05:42:30,228 --> 05:42:33,758
to Dixon now now that's something and maybe some of

4377
05:42:33,758 --> 05:42:37,838
the new new worker ... members of council on may

4378
05:42:37,838 --> 05:42:41,848
not appreciate that history but that's something we've been trying

4379
05:42:41,848 --> 05:42:45,058
to figure out how to do for for well I

4380
05:42:45,058 --> 05:42:48,238
won't say decades but a number of years of how

4381
05:42:48,238 --> 05:42:52,448
the servicing could be extended and get back community off

4382
05:42:53,138 --> 05:42:57,708
of private wells get them off of their ...

4383
05:42:57,708 --> 05:43:02,718
their tanks and ... look them up to municipal service

4384
05:43:02,718 --> 05:43:07,448
to tell me that that's an environmental benefit and again

4385
05:43:07,448 --> 05:43:10,458
we can you know Garrick us in the right for

4386
05:43:10,458 --> 05:43:12,648
a Mister chair we could debate some of these things

4387
05:43:12,648 --> 05:43:15,528
but I just put that on its out a perspective

4388
05:43:15,528 --> 05:43:19,838
about how I see that as a as a benefit

4389
05:43:19,868 --> 05:43:25,118
for ... Markham and and Markham residents anyways ...

4390
05:43:25,118 --> 05:43:28,608
I did raise some issues with that the applicant that

4391
05:43:29,278 --> 05:43:33,108
while I was pleased to see some elements are incorporated

4392
05:43:33,138 --> 05:43:36,818
about what was presented today that I thought there were

4393
05:43:36,818 --> 05:43:40,418
other things that that the the city of Markham could

4394
05:43:40,418 --> 05:43:44,278
could benefit by and ...

4395
05:43:44,278 --> 05:43:46,338
things like

4396
05:43:46,338 --> 05:43:51,598
hiding for additional ... park land and what the planning

4397
05:43:51,598 --> 05:43:56,208
act ... describes and ... I have to say ...

4398
05:43:56,298 --> 05:44:00,348
the applicant kind of made a suggestion or potentially other

4399
05:44:00,348 --> 05:44:04,698
to wake her up park and ... I thought about

4400
05:44:04,698 --> 05:44:06,898
that a bit more over the last a couple of

4401
05:44:06,898 --> 05:44:10,198
days thinking about work while while it's nice to get

4402
05:44:10,198 --> 05:44:14,088
that open space additional open space I would like to

4403
05:44:14,088 --> 05:44:18,108
see something that at least could accommodate ... some kind

4404
05:44:18,108 --> 05:44:23,258
of recreational facility like a full of regulation soccer field

4405
05:44:23,258 --> 05:44:28,228
and and some other uses so ... as much as

4406
05:44:28,228 --> 05:44:31,248
I appreciate the initial discussion of of two acres I

4407
05:44:31,248 --> 05:44:33,928
I thought about it a bit more and ... I

4408
05:44:33,928 --> 05:44:36,278
thought you know as nice as that would be in

4409
05:44:36,278 --> 05:44:40,218
terms of open space I think ... our community also

4410
05:44:40,218 --> 05:44:43,508
needs some of those other facilities as well and you

4411
05:44:43,508 --> 05:44:47,638
can accommodate that on on two acres ... so I'm

4412
05:44:47,638 --> 05:44:51,368
I'd like applicants or perhaps ... respond to that because

4413
05:44:51,368 --> 05:44:55,288
all of say one of the things again and ...

4414
05:44:55,818 --> 05:44:58,938
I think what we've maybe are saying they're not and

4415
05:44:58,938 --> 05:45:02,458
then when I made my comments earlier today it wasn't

4416
05:45:02,458 --> 05:45:06,708
in relation necessarily to either of these applications that we're

4417
05:45:06,708 --> 05:45:10,158
dealing with but I I think we've seen our system

4418
05:45:10,668 --> 05:45:13,818
... that needs to be revamped in the province of

4419
05:45:13,818 --> 05:45:19,508
Ontario that's that is by the way ... it's not

4420
05:45:19,508 --> 05:45:22,458
a pass by any stretch of the imagination I say

4421
05:45:22,458 --> 05:45:26,358
a revamping it's about deciding where growth is going to

4422
05:45:26,358 --> 05:45:30,038
go it's about deciding the type of growth that we're

4423
05:45:30,038 --> 05:45:34,448
going to have and it's also about how we put

4424
05:45:34,448 --> 05:45:39,378
in place ... best practices when it comes to sustainability

4425
05:45:39,408 --> 05:45:43,118
and environmental protection which I think the city of Markham

4426
05:45:43,118 --> 05:45:46,338
has demonstrated on on many many occasions on a number

4427
05:45:46,338 --> 05:45:50,118
fronts and not just when we have a development application

4428
05:45:50,148 --> 05:45:53,338
... before us the other part that I asked ...

4429
05:45:53,578 --> 05:45:58,958
the applicant to consider as much as he's got to

4430
05:45:58,988 --> 05:46:03,238
our seniors buildings are and in the US and they

4431
05:46:03,238 --> 05:46:07,458
are ... rental select that's good are you know that

4432
05:46:07,458 --> 05:46:10,598
that's a that's a plus I I really wanted to

4433
05:46:10,598 --> 05:46:15,008
see an injection of ... but short of bold rental

4434
05:46:15,058 --> 05:46:18,948
in this plan and again not just tender or twenty

4435
05:46:18,948 --> 05:46:22,588
units are just to say look we've got some units

4436
05:46:22,588 --> 05:46:26,348
that are affordable here something substantial but I did mention

4437
05:46:26,348 --> 05:46:28,868
sort of something I had in my mind but would

4438
05:46:28,868 --> 05:46:33,198
like to hear from the applicant ... so that we

4439
05:46:33,198 --> 05:46:37,078
not only have rental but we actually have affordable rental

4440
05:46:37,078 --> 05:46:42,458
for seniors incorporated and that's because yes many seniors will

4441
05:46:42,458 --> 05:46:46,298
be able to sell their home and and ranks and

4442
05:46:46,298 --> 05:46:52,658
use ... that as a potential ... a potential ...

4443
05:46:52,918 --> 05:46:57,098
stream to support themselves I know there's other seniors that

4444
05:46:57,098 --> 05:47:02,308
that that won't have that luxury and again ... that

4445
05:47:02,308 --> 05:47:06,408
are looking for affordable ranks all as defined by the

4446
05:47:06,408 --> 05:47:10,798
region of York and in in our community so I'd

4447
05:47:10,798 --> 05:47:16,458
like to see us comment on this application again ...

4448
05:47:16,488 --> 05:47:21,048
the province of Ontario ... in its wisdom has inserted

4449
05:47:21,048 --> 05:47:25,148
itself because I think they are dealing with a few

4450
05:47:25,178 --> 05:47:28,738
major issues not just the fact that the planning process

4451
05:47:29,198 --> 05:47:32,398
is is we can convert to the point that it's

4452
05:47:32,398 --> 05:47:35,458
not allowing certain things to move forward and I appreciate

4453
05:47:35,748 --> 05:47:38,198
all the comments that were said earlier I don't dismiss

4454
05:47:38,198 --> 05:47:41,498
and I think again we've been a shining example when

4455
05:47:41,498 --> 05:47:45,438
it comes to public engagement and involvement I'm not saying

4456
05:47:45,438 --> 05:47:46,338
we always agree

4457
05:47:46,338 --> 05:47:49,278
eighty but we we have those discussions and debates and

4458
05:47:49,278 --> 05:47:53,158
if it does arrive to a conclusion and and that

4459
05:47:53,158 --> 05:47:56,568
I I do support ...

4460
05:47:56,568 --> 05:48:02,838
but aside from from ... those particular aspects one of

4461
05:48:03,028 --> 05:48:07,898
park that goes beyond what's required units that would be

4462
05:48:07,898 --> 05:48:12,908
deemed affordable under the definition of York region and then

4463
05:48:12,908 --> 05:48:15,818
the other ... Mister chair is that I'd I'd want

4464
05:48:15,818 --> 05:48:21,528
to ensure ... that ... the environmental impact studies ...

4465
05:48:21,528 --> 05:48:24,408
what in fact all of the studies that would typically

4466
05:48:25,358 --> 05:48:29,078
be undertaken as we've done with so many developments and

4467
05:48:29,078 --> 05:48:33,438
mark I would also have to be undertaken for that

4468
05:48:33,438 --> 05:48:36,768
so that we don't we don't give up one I

4469
05:48:36,768 --> 05:48:40,208
order when it comes to the best practices are that

4470
05:48:40,208 --> 05:48:44,478
we have put in place and obviously that we ...

4471
05:48:44,528 --> 05:48:50,738
T. RCA conditions would also be incorporated into the approval

4472
05:48:51,128 --> 05:48:54,848
of of the Ms at all and ... not unlike

4473
05:48:54,848 --> 05:48:56,838
the previous one and I don't know if that was

4474
05:48:56,838 --> 05:48:58,878
a shot at being a but we get to choose

4475
05:48:58,878 --> 05:49:01,598
the color of the brick I'm proud of the fact

4476
05:49:01,598 --> 05:49:04,358
that we take the time that we do in Markham

4477
05:49:04,358 --> 05:49:07,598
to make sure we have good design and ... good

4478
05:49:07,598 --> 05:49:11,288
materials and ... I think we should have that opportunity

4479
05:49:11,648 --> 05:49:18,448
with this particular development as well now ... again you

4480
05:49:18,448 --> 05:49:21,398
know we have a we have a or perhaps a

4481
05:49:21,398 --> 05:49:25,328
decision to make are the province of Ontario can deal

4482
05:49:25,328 --> 05:49:29,208
with this ... with this application I think the fact

4483
05:49:29,208 --> 05:49:33,378
that it's before us members of council I would I

4484
05:49:33,378 --> 05:49:38,078
would view that as the province taking this seriously

4485
05:49:38,078 --> 05:49:41,408
R. I I don't think the province waste our time

4486
05:49:41,808 --> 05:49:46,048
if they work if this wasn't under serious consideration I

4487
05:49:46,048 --> 05:49:49,488
don't like the province likes to waste people's time I

4488
05:49:49,488 --> 05:49:52,968
think it's here for a reason and ... I think

4489
05:49:52,968 --> 05:49:56,458
we have a a moment here to say that it

4490
05:49:56,488 --> 05:49:59,628
you know the the Ms at all ... would permit

4491
05:49:59,628 --> 05:50:02,358
certain things and if it's going to permit certain things

4492
05:50:02,718 --> 05:50:05,668
then we the city of Markham would want to see

4493
05:50:05,668 --> 05:50:10,768
certain things incorporated and not is it perfect it's not

4494
05:50:10,838 --> 05:50:14,618
but I think to categorize this is somehow a development

4495
05:50:14,618 --> 05:50:17,988
that's happening in an island ... you don't know the

4496
05:50:17,988 --> 05:50:21,788
area very well and then secondly I would say ...

4497
05:50:21,788 --> 05:50:24,608
because of the other planning decisions that have been made

4498
05:50:25,208 --> 05:50:29,118
others an opportunity here to integrate and and to make

4499
05:50:29,118 --> 05:50:32,488
sure that there is in fact complete communities and on

4500
05:50:32,488 --> 05:50:36,118
that score I want to publicly thank mayor Ian Lovett

4501
05:50:36,218 --> 05:50:39,538
... I also reached out to our because I think

4502
05:50:39,538 --> 05:50:42,038
there was referencing a member who made it but ...

4503
05:50:42,038 --> 05:50:46,688
part of the ... ... an important amenity that's that's

4504
05:50:46,688 --> 05:50:50,088
being incorporated in the lands and what should stole will

4505
05:50:50,448 --> 05:50:53,118
is a community center and I did reach out to

4506
05:50:53,118 --> 05:50:56,238
Maryland but and I asked these residents are going to

4507
05:50:56,238 --> 05:50:59,748
be closer really in many respects which you're still with

4508
05:50:59,748 --> 05:51:02,728
them they will be to the amenities that we have

4509
05:51:02,728 --> 05:51:07,828
been in Markham and would he consider ... allowing these

4510
05:51:07,828 --> 05:51:12,608
residents to in fact be able to utilize that community

4511
05:51:12,608 --> 05:51:16,418
center as if they were residents of which sold well

4512
05:51:16,958 --> 05:51:20,448
and that that's something that that he didn't really hesitating

4513
05:51:20,448 --> 05:51:23,998
said now about that something obviously ... he be very

4514
05:51:23,998 --> 05:51:27,758
supportive of them and again over the years and I

4515
05:51:27,758 --> 05:51:30,678
I've mechanical waste everyone's time but over the years we've

4516
05:51:30,678 --> 05:51:34,778
had agreements like that I think particularly up in Thornhill

4517
05:51:35,068 --> 05:51:38,078
... to accommodate certain non sports groups

4518
05:51:38,078 --> 05:51:41,078
so ... I want to thank him for for being

4519
05:51:41,078 --> 05:51:46,378
open to that so ... Mister chair are perhaps before

4520
05:51:46,378 --> 05:51:49,158
I say anything further I want to put on the

4521
05:51:49,158 --> 05:51:54,238
table the the inclusion of a four acre park in

4522
05:51:54,238 --> 05:51:58,478
addition to the required park land and I also want

4523
05:51:58,478 --> 05:52:02,128
to get a better understanding because I did mention what

4524
05:52:02,128 --> 05:52:06,298
I'd like to see ... about increasing the number of

4525
05:52:06,298 --> 05:52:10,678
seniors units here but having ... a number and as

4526
05:52:10,678 --> 05:52:14,238
I said not a small number are deemed to be

4527
05:52:14,268 --> 05:52:17,928
affordable rents all and I like to hear what the

4528
05:52:17,928 --> 05:52:24,488
applicants ... considerations down on on some of those aspects

4529
05:52:24,488 --> 05:52:26,118
I should hear

4530
05:52:26,118 --> 05:52:29,558
through you Mr chair thank you Mr mayor and ...

4531
05:52:29,588 --> 05:52:34,318
I ... I respect your comments and ...

4532
05:52:34,318 --> 05:52:38,888
I've also got some good comments from cancer rate

4533
05:52:38,888 --> 05:52:43,868
also briefly spoken with the local council ... so ...

4534
05:52:43,898 --> 05:52:45,878
I think you are making a very good point and

4535
05:52:45,878 --> 05:52:47,668
this is exactly what I was trying to hit that

4536
05:52:47,668 --> 05:52:51,158
before that ... we had the mayors housing summit we

4537
05:52:51,158 --> 05:52:54,238
had to me from from the city of Markham in

4538
05:52:54,238 --> 05:52:57,918
which everybody was speaking about ... affordable housing and this

4539
05:52:57,918 --> 05:53:01,658
is what I've been basically saying please guide me please

4540
05:53:01,658 --> 05:53:04,488
show me what you think what we can do to

4541
05:53:04,488 --> 05:53:06,768
make this community different

4542
05:53:06,768 --> 05:53:09,658
so we have an opportunity over here this community is

4543
05:53:09,708 --> 05:53:13,248
connected with store bill with the a new on a

4544
05:53:13,248 --> 05:53:16,748
school new parts installed build new community center what else

4545
05:53:16,748 --> 05:53:19,788
can we do so Mr Mayor like I'm I'm I'm

4546
05:53:19,788 --> 05:53:23,588
happy to confirm that we have to proposed ... seniors

4547
05:53:23,698 --> 05:53:27,478
senior buildings with the one hundred apartments in each building

4548
05:53:27,718 --> 05:53:30,078
so we are going to do a third building with

4549
05:53:30,108 --> 05:53:34,858
one hundred units completely affordable housing as per the guidelines

4550
05:53:34,858 --> 05:53:37,748
of York region and the city of Markham so I

4551
05:53:37,748 --> 05:53:43,878
repeat and a complete one building where one hundred apartments

4552
05:53:43,878 --> 05:53:46,728
a foldable housing and we will work with the region

4553
05:53:46,728 --> 05:53:48,918
of your gear guidelines one hundred percent and with the

4554
05:53:48,918 --> 05:53:52,138
city of Markham one hundred percent Mr Mayor you also

4555
05:53:52,138 --> 05:53:55,378
raised a good point about the park ...

4556
05:53:55,378 --> 05:53:59,448
and once again standing on my on my words before

4557
05:53:59,448 --> 05:54:01,968
that how we can make this community different so I

4558
05:54:01,968 --> 05:54:05,668
agree with your idea of expanding the park ... I

4559
05:54:05,668 --> 05:54:09,688
know you've suggested the soccer field I I love soccer

4560
05:54:09,688 --> 05:54:13,208
... but I would also like to add if we

4561
05:54:13,208 --> 05:54:16,798
could because we're doing something very similar in another community

4562
05:54:16,798 --> 05:54:21,598
in Ontario where we are doing seniors housing that in

4563
05:54:21,598 --> 05:54:24,188
the parks if you're making apart from two acres to

4564
05:54:24,188 --> 05:54:27,648
say four acres I'm happy to do that no problem

4565
05:54:28,118 --> 05:54:31,358
and it in that park if you can

4566
05:54:31,358 --> 05:54:34,358
in have a community garden where the seniors can grow

4567
05:54:34,358 --> 05:54:38,578
vegetables they can go out big enough I do a

4568
05:54:38,788 --> 05:54:41,408
little bit of ... of planting a little bit of

4569
05:54:41,408 --> 05:54:44,448
farming it kind of gives them some some space to

4570
05:54:44,448 --> 05:54:46,488
go out and we're gonna make that parking sensible to

4571
05:54:46,488 --> 05:54:49,578
the seniors which means flush to the ground making ...

4572
05:54:49,578 --> 05:54:53,958
wheelchair accessible so so just to say yes Sir I

4573
05:54:53,958 --> 05:54:57,598
agree are we are happy to provide additional two acres

4574
05:54:57,598 --> 05:55:00,958
of parkland my request would be to ... to allow

4575
05:55:00,958 --> 05:55:04,088
us to have a community garden for the seniors ...

4576
05:55:04,118 --> 05:55:07,428
and we will provide another building

4577
05:55:07,428 --> 05:55:10,608
M. P. one hundred percent affordable housing ... hundred units

4578
05:55:10,928 --> 05:55:14,178
in it thank you Sir

4579
05:55:14,178 --> 05:55:17,888
okay well the details of of location on and that

4580
05:55:17,888 --> 05:55:21,698
the the uses and I only use the soccer field

4581
05:55:21,698 --> 05:55:25,818
as an example I just didn't think ... in your

4582
05:55:25,818 --> 05:55:29,128
initial discussions of two acres what would have been enough

4583
05:55:29,538 --> 05:55:32,868
to really put in anything substantial in terms of of

4584
05:55:32,868 --> 05:55:38,208
community amenities so that that so all right however that

4585
05:55:38,208 --> 05:55:41,718
gets accommodated I think your your idea of whether it's

4586
05:55:41,718 --> 05:55:46,358
community gardens or anything else that would be beneficial for

4587
05:55:46,358 --> 05:55:50,498
the ... the seniors buildings ... that's sort of a

4588
05:55:50,498 --> 05:55:53,618
level of detail when we deal with the subdivision and

4589
05:55:53,618 --> 05:55:56,278
draft plan that that when that comes back to us

4590
05:55:56,868 --> 05:56:00,458
we we can not get into so so Mister chair

4591
05:56:00,498 --> 05:56:03,358
... I'm sort of happy I don't know how many

4592
05:56:03,358 --> 05:56:06,138
other speakers are are on the list but I would

4593
05:56:06,138 --> 05:56:10,448
just reiterate once again are we we have been able

4594
05:56:10,448 --> 05:56:14,258
to get benefits for the existing community the the extension

4595
05:56:14,258 --> 05:56:17,558
of services ... is ... is ... both ... a

4596
05:56:17,558 --> 05:56:24,308
benefit and environmental positive environmental impact ... the fact that

4597
05:56:24,338 --> 05:56:29,188
if we put in in this resolution the ... the

4598
05:56:29,288 --> 05:56:33,408
... addition of a four acre park above the park

4599
05:56:33,408 --> 05:56:38,578
land dedication that's required under the planning act one story

4600
05:56:39,058 --> 05:56:43,418
and ends up again ... these conditions but also that

4601
05:56:43,418 --> 05:56:47,508
that ... that ... the capital costs for that part

4602
05:56:48,028 --> 05:56:51,598
... would be borne by the applicant so that we're

4603
05:56:51,598 --> 05:56:57,148
not utilizing ... funds from other areas ... that ...

4604
05:56:57,178 --> 05:57:00,178
were collecting money for it so that the capital costs

4605
05:57:00,458 --> 05:57:03,008
for that would be it would be borne by the

4606
05:57:03,138 --> 05:57:07,848
by the applicant and ... and then if you're commitment

4607
05:57:07,848 --> 05:57:13,078
as four hundred affordable housing units for seniors but that

4608
05:57:13,078 --> 05:57:13,908
also be rid

4609
05:57:13,908 --> 05:57:17,698
not been in our comments such as the province of

4610
05:57:17,698 --> 05:57:22,808
Ontario and then of course the environmental impact studies would

4611
05:57:22,808 --> 05:57:28,408
be undertaken T. RCA conditions will be incorporated and that

4612
05:57:28,408 --> 05:57:33,408
we retain ... site plan ... control and again this

4613
05:57:33,408 --> 05:57:37,308
was sitting in the middle of nowhere ... I think

4614
05:57:37,308 --> 05:57:39,538
us as it said I would agree with that the

4615
05:57:39,538 --> 05:57:44,068
spot rezoning and realistically as I get back to it's

4616
05:57:44,068 --> 05:57:47,428
it's the boundaries were divvied up today I'd probably be

4617
05:57:47,428 --> 05:57:51,618
nineteen thousand years old and in some respects ... this

4618
05:57:51,618 --> 05:57:55,788
deals with the complete communities out there that again yes

4619
05:57:55,788 --> 05:58:00,588
has undergone decisions by Richard Stockwell and and the province

4620
05:58:00,858 --> 05:58:03,268
and you know you

4621
05:58:03,268 --> 05:58:07,728
don't dismiss that ... but at the same time ...

4622
05:58:07,808 --> 05:58:11,008
the incorporation of some of these things that allow us

4623
05:58:11,008 --> 05:58:14,328
to get something for the city of Markham if this

4624
05:58:14,328 --> 05:58:16,748
sounds that always gonna be considered and I and I

4625
05:58:16,748 --> 05:58:19,908
think Mister chair the fact that it's here ... I

4626
05:58:19,908 --> 05:58:23,118
would take that as a signal that it's under serious

4627
05:58:23,118 --> 05:58:26,988
consideration and ... and I think it does speak to

4628
05:58:27,018 --> 05:58:30,028
the comments I made earlier about what we need to

4629
05:58:30,028 --> 05:58:32,818
do to fix the planning process and I'll just leave

4630
05:58:32,818 --> 05:58:35,368
it at that and then owned by the way I

4631
05:58:35,368 --> 05:58:39,278
fully support as well ... the comments made by councillor

4632
05:58:39,278 --> 05:58:42,918
ray about whether you know alternately when the draft plan

4633
05:58:42,918 --> 05:58:45,868
comes in but we shouldn't ... but I I like

4634
05:58:45,868 --> 05:58:49,698
the approach that has been explained and by then we

4635
05:58:49,698 --> 05:58:52,348
have other examples of this that we've done recently were

4636
05:58:52,348 --> 05:58:57,778
townhouses built and it purposely built secondary unit has been

4637
05:58:57,778 --> 05:59:02,028
incorporated into the design I I think is is something

4638
05:59:02,028 --> 05:59:07,758
again that increases the um housing stock ... for rentals

4639
05:59:07,758 --> 05:59:11,918
potentially and and certainly makes it affordable for people who

4640
05:59:11,918 --> 05:59:14,718
want to buy and then know that they have that

4641
05:59:14,748 --> 05:59:19,398
right secondary suite that's been incorporated and designed for in

4642
05:59:19,398 --> 05:59:23,308
the community design which again I I have supported as

4643
05:59:23,308 --> 05:59:27,628
others are known for for other areas so I'll leave

4644
05:59:27,628 --> 05:59:29,508
it at that I don't know what other speakers but

4645
05:59:29,628 --> 05:59:33,218
... I agree with conservation include the the range of

4646
05:59:33,218 --> 05:59:36,938
housing what ultimately gets built in maybe maybe a block

4647
05:59:36,938 --> 05:59:40,828
after everything is done we're sending is our or or

4648
05:59:40,828 --> 05:59:42,998
... ...

4649
05:59:42,998 --> 05:59:48,688
as Nancy quadruples whatever the whatever they're called ... could

4650
05:59:48,688 --> 05:59:51,908
be incorporated but I wouldn't I wouldn't leave anything out

4651
05:59:51,908 --> 05:59:55,598
at this point I believe more flexibility rather than ...

4652
05:59:55,598 --> 05:59:58,508
they're not not even a thought

4653
05:59:58,508 --> 06:00:01,658
thank you Mr Merrin I I first of all the

4654
06:00:01,688 --> 06:00:05,718
speakers I have in the queue is councillor key regional

4655
06:00:05,718 --> 06:00:12,048
council early councillor McAlpine councillor ray in a closing up

4656
06:00:12,048 --> 06:00:16,358
this accounts for Collucci I do agree with almost everything

4657
06:00:16,358 --> 06:00:20,468
you said Mr Mayor I don't called planning a thousand

4658
06:00:20,468 --> 06:00:24,298
acres part res on in fact this type of planning

4659
06:00:24,298 --> 06:00:26,498
should be done all over the city and all over

4660
06:00:26,498 --> 06:00:30,208
the region this is effectively what I like about this

4661
06:00:30,208 --> 06:00:34,808
type of planning okay it's comprehensive and that's complete planning

4662
06:00:35,138 --> 06:00:37,628
and I think what you said earlier

4663
06:00:37,628 --> 06:00:40,618
that if we had to do divvy up the boundaries

4664
06:00:40,618 --> 06:00:44,738
again nineteenth Avenue would be yeah the boundary instead of

4665
06:00:45,398 --> 06:00:48,818
but I wasn't a thousand meters whatever the distances up

4666
06:00:49,128 --> 06:00:51,478
into that intersection

4667
06:00:51,478 --> 06:00:54,788
and she care quite a few years ago when I

4668
06:00:54,788 --> 06:00:58,268
came on council one of the things we went looked

4669
06:00:58,268 --> 06:01:02,448
at was can't lands outside of the outside of worship

4670
06:01:02,448 --> 06:01:05,278
them and what I'd like to but that was on

4671
06:01:05,278 --> 06:01:07,788
the same street was all kinds of mix of house

4672
06:01:08,458 --> 06:01:13,748
big houses town houses ... different types the only thing

4673
06:01:13,778 --> 06:01:16,798
is what they call density we would call almost a

4674
06:01:16,798 --> 06:01:19,648
cristatus but yeah I mean there lots of hot bigger

4675
06:01:19,858 --> 06:01:22,518
than what we're doing today but that type of housing

4676
06:01:22,898 --> 06:01:26,378
or that type of glass plant community be a great

4677
06:01:26,378 --> 06:01:30,318
and ... ... so here again I don't think that

4678
06:01:30,318 --> 06:01:33,698
spot rezoning what you're doing here I thank that up

4679
06:01:34,048 --> 06:01:36,438
and I don't think this is trivial I don't think

4680
06:01:36,438 --> 06:01:39,798
this is a trivial Ms at all and I think

4681
06:01:39,798 --> 06:01:43,358
there's quite a few more Ms on homes that could

4682
06:01:43,358 --> 06:01:46,088
be happening on the fourth floor and possibly even the

4683
06:01:46,088 --> 06:01:49,078
floor under each so

4684
06:01:49,078 --> 06:01:51,548
I think that the province is trying to show us

4685
06:01:51,548 --> 06:01:54,358
the direction and I'd like to see more Ms the

4686
06:01:54,358 --> 06:01:58,708
old stuff around transit stations but the not leaks more

4687
06:01:58,708 --> 06:02:02,848
now ... in councillor Keith improvement are in the queue

4688
06:02:02,848 --> 06:02:07,988
and how to councillor keys

4689
06:02:07,988 --> 06:02:10,308
thank you Mr chair ... I actually I don't have

4690
06:02:10,308 --> 06:02:12,348
questions I just have a few comments that I'd like

4691
06:02:12,348 --> 06:02:15,258
to to ... to contribute and ... some of this

4692
06:02:15,258 --> 06:02:17,778
has been covered ... I I also agree with a

4693
06:02:17,778 --> 06:02:20,428
lot of what ... the Mayor had to say

4694
06:02:20,428 --> 06:02:24,008
... in it but in general I don't see this

4695
06:02:24,008 --> 06:02:27,298
one of the main ... criticisms or concerns that we've

4696
06:02:27,298 --> 06:02:31,148
heard today and from from people who have submitted ...

4697
06:02:31,278 --> 06:02:35,228
... Dapitan deputations is that the process in the speed

4698
06:02:35,748 --> 06:02:38,008
... and that and it in the idea that really

4699
06:02:38,008 --> 06:02:39,588
this came out of the blue I just want to

4700
06:02:39,948 --> 06:02:41,868
I guess push back a little bit on that one

4701
06:02:41,868 --> 06:02:43,448
and say that I don't really don't see that this

4702
06:02:43,448 --> 06:02:45,198
came out of the blue

4703
06:02:45,198 --> 06:02:47,878
... I guess has been referenced at this is a

4704
06:02:47,878 --> 06:02:51,038
been I've been at least two or three meetings public

4705
06:02:51,038 --> 06:02:54,878
meetings where we were discussing of these lands or at

4706
06:02:54,878 --> 06:02:58,208
least in this in this area ... primarily with the

4707
06:02:58,208 --> 06:03:02,298
the the town of Stowe bill and during those meetings

4708
06:03:02,368 --> 06:03:05,738
there was never discussion about whether ... the land would

4709
06:03:05,738 --> 06:03:09,928
be converted ... from from world to ... to mixed

4710
06:03:09,928 --> 06:03:12,898
use but just more more the discussion was house so

4711
06:03:12,898 --> 06:03:15,918
the configuration of the roads and whatnot so I guess

4712
06:03:15,918 --> 06:03:18,198
from my perspective this is not a new out of

4713
06:03:18,198 --> 06:03:23,138
the blue application ... I think some of the resistance

4714
06:03:23,138 --> 06:03:25,208
that we're getting also from the city of Markham is

4715
06:03:25,208 --> 06:03:27,268
the fact that it's at the northern border I'm a

4716
06:03:27,268 --> 06:03:29,598
little bit more familiar with that because of my ward

4717
06:03:29,908 --> 06:03:33,588
boundaries ... but this I also see is is it

4718
06:03:33,588 --> 06:03:37,588
is a continuous ... piece of land that's contiguous to

4719
06:03:37,668 --> 06:03:40,398
just overall into what's being developed there so it's not

4720
06:03:40,398 --> 06:03:45,638
isolated and I agree it's not spot ... of Development

4721
06:03:45,638 --> 06:03:48,838
... second thing again the second thing that we I

4722
06:03:48,838 --> 06:03:51,218
guess that a lot of correspondence on heard from a

4723
06:03:51,218 --> 06:03:53,628
lot of residents about was just the the issue of

4724
06:03:53,768 --> 06:03:56,208
of value of farmland and I certainly I I can

4725
06:03:56,208 --> 06:04:01,308
appreciate the interests of our rural landowners ...

4726
06:04:01,308 --> 06:04:04,838
and they're wanting to protect farmland but I think at

4727
06:04:04,838 --> 06:04:07,328
the same time we have to recognize that there is

4728
06:04:07,328 --> 06:04:10,828
a need to expand the urban boundary whether it's now

4729
06:04:10,828 --> 06:04:13,178
or whether it's in ten years or where whether it's

4730
06:04:13,178 --> 06:04:15,098
here or whether it's there it's something that we've been

4731
06:04:15,098 --> 06:04:18,528
doing for you know for two hundred years frankly

4732
06:04:18,528 --> 06:04:21,058
... and I think that is to say that we

4733
06:04:21,058 --> 06:04:24,648
cannot do that because because it's farmland is a little

4734
06:04:24,648 --> 06:04:28,828
short sighted and ... I just don't think it's workable

4735
06:04:28,828 --> 06:04:31,618
... so I would say that this is particularly the

4736
06:04:31,618 --> 06:04:33,888
case for stove L. ... which is one of the

4737
06:04:33,888 --> 06:04:36,588
reasons that I'm I'm not not resisting this and that

4738
06:04:36,588 --> 06:04:39,988
... they do need to expand their urban boundary ...

4739
06:04:40,028 --> 06:04:42,688
and you can't obviously expand your urban boundary to the

4740
06:04:42,688 --> 06:04:46,238
green belt or to the the moraine so so there

4741
06:04:46,238 --> 06:04:49,478
is there are limits to where this expansion can take

4742
06:04:49,478 --> 06:04:54,358
place ... and and on that ...

4743
06:04:54,358 --> 06:04:56,298
really if you look at the the region if you

4744
06:04:56,298 --> 06:04:58,578
look at Southern Ontario a lot of land has been

4745
06:04:58,578 --> 06:05:03,588
set aside for protection ... this application doesn't affect those

4746
06:05:03,588 --> 06:05:06,828
lands so we're looking at the green belt we're looking

4747
06:05:06,828 --> 06:05:09,338
at the oak ridges moraine and and and sixty five

4748
06:05:09,338 --> 06:05:12,378
percent of of my ward ward five is is a

4749
06:05:12,378 --> 06:05:16,268
national ... the Rouge national urban park so I would

4750
06:05:16,268 --> 06:05:19,608
argue that there is a lot of farmland being protected

4751
06:05:19,638 --> 06:05:23,458
one and two I think it's inevitable that we need

4752
06:05:23,458 --> 06:05:25,788
great we need to accommodate for growth it can all

4753
06:05:25,788 --> 06:05:29,508
go ... ... sky word if you will and install

4754
06:05:29,508 --> 06:05:32,758
condominiums so the general comments and in terms of response

4755
06:05:32,758 --> 06:05:35,968
to some of the deputations ... and I I would

4756
06:05:35,968 --> 06:05:38,468
just echo the mint and many of the merits comments

4757
06:05:38,468 --> 06:05:41,068
in terms of the merits particular the merits ... and

4758
06:05:41,068 --> 06:05:43,348
I spoke about this earlier in the in the application

4759
06:05:43,348 --> 06:05:46,148
that came before us this morning

4760
06:05:46,148 --> 06:05:48,198
parents of ... the services that this is going to

4761
06:05:48,408 --> 06:05:53,608
deliver for seniors ... and ... you know a purpose

4762
06:05:53,608 --> 06:05:57,558
built rentals in the ATM affordable rentals is something that

4763
06:05:57,558 --> 06:06:00,688
I've certainly been advocating for and I really in good

4764
06:06:00,688 --> 06:06:05,178
conscience couldn't couldn't reject this proposal ... ... I would

4765
06:06:05,178 --> 06:06:06,768
be a hypocrite

4766
06:06:06,768 --> 06:06:08,598


4767
06:06:08,598 --> 06:06:11,698
and she's locust hill was referenced earlier locust hill is

4768
06:06:11,698 --> 06:06:15,188
in ward five so I know that those those residents

4769
06:06:15,188 --> 06:06:18,178
have been waiting an awful long time for for services

4770
06:06:18,208 --> 06:06:22,938
... watered and spent sewer sanitary services so I'm I'm

4771
06:06:22,938 --> 06:06:25,198
sure that ...

4772
06:06:25,198 --> 06:06:27,898
this work in this development will be welcome there so

4773
06:06:28,558 --> 06:06:30,638
... and with all of the amendments I think we

4774
06:06:30,638 --> 06:06:33,048
did some good work today terms of identifying some of

4775
06:06:33,048 --> 06:06:35,808
the areas that can be improved so with those amendments

4776
06:06:35,808 --> 06:06:38,138
I'm certainly supportive of so that's that's All I Want

4777
06:06:38,138 --> 06:06:40,008
to say thank you

4778
06:06:40,008 --> 06:06:43,108
tell regional councillor Joe Li

4779
06:06:43,108 --> 06:06:46,998
thank you this year first of all I

4780
06:06:46,998 --> 06:06:50,938
I appreciate the stop common ... that they need to

4781
06:06:50,938 --> 06:06:54,828
wait for the region ... comprehension the report in the

4782
06:06:55,328 --> 06:06:59,468
March but I do also remember in the last October

4783
06:06:59,468 --> 06:07:04,648
regional council meeting ... relating to regional mapping up a

4784
06:07:04,648 --> 06:07:07,188
future employment lands

4785
06:07:07,188 --> 06:07:10,928
the city ... on stated that because four hundred highway

4786
06:07:11,358 --> 06:07:12,998
live within

4787
06:07:12,998 --> 06:07:15,648
the business of a palm tree therefore it should be

4788
06:07:15,648 --> 06:07:18,378
left to the city along with the site where the

4789
06:07:18,378 --> 06:07:22,068
bill from should should take place I remember most of

4790
06:07:22,068 --> 06:07:26,168
my come council members disagree and one of the region

4791
06:07:26,168 --> 06:07:29,448
to act on behalf of the province in the planning

4792
06:07:29,448 --> 06:07:34,148
act to provide a comprehensive review where the bill function

4793
06:07:34,148 --> 06:07:38,708
I mean should take place but unfortunately regional council voted

4794
06:07:38,928 --> 06:07:42,518
in favor of a city of one position to allow

4795
06:07:42,518 --> 06:07:46,498
them to decide what is best for them to build

4796
06:07:46,498 --> 06:07:51,028
but in the municipal bond just two days obligation is

4797
06:07:51,028 --> 06:07:54,638
within the city of Markham municipal boundaries and I'm not

4798
06:07:54,638 --> 06:07:58,988
come council should be doing the same thing telling the

4799
06:07:58,988 --> 06:08:02,038
region that we know best

4800
06:08:02,038 --> 06:08:04,158
what we want to build

4801
06:08:04,158 --> 06:08:06,608
I don't know what the bill fun to happen in

4802
06:08:06,608 --> 06:08:09,298
the city of Markham

4803
06:08:09,298 --> 06:08:10,778
your day

4804
06:08:10,778 --> 06:08:16,108
and I listen your Shakira much to love presentation carefully

4805
06:08:16,108 --> 06:08:19,328
up all his development plan he states

4806
06:08:19,328 --> 06:08:24,338
the proposed development address several of the problems visitation of

4807
06:08:24,338 --> 06:08:28,678
priorities set out in the mold more choice action plan

4808
06:08:29,328 --> 06:08:32,848
it will increase housing supply and bring that supply to

4809
06:08:32,848 --> 06:08:40,008
market quickly while respecting and maintaining Ontario strong environmental protection

4810
06:08:40,418 --> 06:08:43,698
and on then bring the creation of the complete communities

4811
06:08:43,698 --> 06:08:52,108
within the highway forty eight corridor

4812
06:08:52,108 --> 06:08:56,278
I am particularly paying attention

4813
06:08:56,278 --> 06:08:58,188
what do you just say

4814
06:08:58,188 --> 06:09:01,588
follow up for Bali senior home

4815
06:09:01,588 --> 06:09:06,338
a portable and rental housing market for young people

4816
06:09:06,338 --> 06:09:11,218
and surprisingly of all these comment about twenty three to

4817
06:09:11,218 --> 06:09:15,208
twenty four feet wide come home as compared to the

4818
06:09:15,208 --> 06:09:21,288
fifteen white home built by most builder in the industry

4819
06:09:21,288 --> 06:09:23,388
this morning

4820
06:09:23,388 --> 06:09:26,878
I supported a motion on the long term care application

4821
06:09:27,458 --> 06:09:32,478
focus for considering the urgency needs all which I just

4822
06:09:32,478 --> 06:09:37,308
paid affordable operable issue for our senior

4823
06:09:37,308 --> 06:09:40,148
young people and the rental market

4824
06:09:40,148 --> 06:09:46,618
so I will support this application going follow thank you

4825
06:09:46,618 --> 06:09:51,268
councillor McAlpine

4826
06:09:51,268 --> 06:09:54,528
thank you Mr chair and I'm like to say I

4827
06:09:54,528 --> 06:09:56,608
I agree with much with the the mayor had to

4828
06:09:56,608 --> 06:09:59,008
say ... and ... you know and some of the

4829
06:09:59,008 --> 06:10:02,008
improvements I guess that's the application that that have been

4830
06:10:02,008 --> 06:10:04,588
sort of expressed here today in the park land and

4831
06:10:04,588 --> 06:10:05,908
so forth

4832
06:10:05,908 --> 06:10:09,658
I'm a little bit concerned about the placement of affordable

4833
06:10:09,658 --> 06:10:12,368
seniors housing on that in in a place that's not

4834
06:10:12,368 --> 06:10:16,658
well served by transit ... ... I think that's not

4835
06:10:16,658 --> 06:10:19,508
necessarily a good planning outcome I think some work to

4836
06:10:19,508 --> 06:10:24,018
be done there but all of that ... ... ...

4837
06:10:24,018 --> 06:10:25,638
and I would also agree with that with the Mayor

4838
06:10:25,638 --> 06:10:27,908
that that that the planning process is broken I I

4839
06:10:27,908 --> 06:10:30,738
agree and I think we would all agree with that

4840
06:10:30,738 --> 06:10:34,128
but to me the solution isn't to bypass the planning

4841
06:10:34,128 --> 06:10:39,238
process the solution is to fix the planning process and

4842
06:10:39,238 --> 06:10:43,418
... and I think we we would serve ourselves better

4843
06:10:43,568 --> 06:10:46,188
by working out what we can do to improve the

4844
06:10:46,188 --> 06:10:50,848
planning process in conjunction with with the region obviously and

4845
06:10:50,848 --> 06:10:53,708
... and then making proposals to the provinces to what

4846
06:10:53,748 --> 06:10:56,498
they need to do as opposed to just sitting back

4847
06:10:56,498 --> 06:10:58,838
and saying all the planning process is broken it's broken

4848
06:10:58,838 --> 06:11:01,908
fix it and ... and while and while you figure

4849
06:11:01,908 --> 06:11:03,888
out how to fix it will just we'll do this

4850
06:11:03,918 --> 06:11:07,168
this kind of ad hoc planning ... I just don't

4851
06:11:07,168 --> 06:11:09,928
think that's the the right solution we're making decisions here

4852
06:11:09,928 --> 06:11:12,828
that will have an impact for hundreds of years and

4853
06:11:12,828 --> 06:11:16,038
... have major environmental impacts and to simply sort of

4854
06:11:16,038 --> 06:11:18,648
do them on that they say kind of an ad

4855
06:11:18,648 --> 06:11:21,668
hoc basis I think it is it's just simply not

4856
06:11:21,838 --> 06:11:25,448
not good planning it's also not clear to me at

4857
06:11:25,448 --> 06:11:28,338
all nobody has really made the case at all today

4858
06:11:28,338 --> 06:11:30,348
as to why we have to go through this process

4859
06:11:30,348 --> 06:11:33,638
by and Ms at all why doesn't the developers simply

4860
06:11:33,638 --> 06:11:37,078
put forward at the dead be a an OPA application

4861
06:11:37,078 --> 06:11:40,078
just like anybody else how much work to the tended

4862
06:11:40,078 --> 06:11:43,208
to to process like we would any other application and

4863
06:11:43,208 --> 06:11:44,978
again if we want to figure out how we can

4864
06:11:44,978 --> 06:11:47,508
do that more efficiently than in the past all to

4865
06:11:47,508 --> 06:11:49,788
the good ... but why we need an Ms and

4866
06:11:49,788 --> 06:11:52,848
... to the to do this is beyond me at

4867
06:11:52,848 --> 06:11:56,558
this point ... and ... and again I have to

4868
06:11:56,558 --> 06:12:00,258
support the staff ... position that there's an awful lot

4869
06:12:00,258 --> 06:12:02,968
of home work still to be done to determine whether

4870
06:12:02,968 --> 06:12:06,458
this is the right the right location and I and

4871
06:12:06,458 --> 06:12:08,698
it would not surprise me if in fact coming out

4872
06:12:08,698 --> 06:12:11,818
of the the the regional the MCR that in fact

4873
06:12:11,888 --> 06:12:16,228
... there is some allocation of ... or a suggestion

4874
06:12:16,228 --> 06:12:18,788
of a of an urban boundary expansion into markets in

4875
06:12:18,788 --> 06:12:21,798
this location and so as councillor Keith pointed out that's

4876
06:12:21,798 --> 06:12:25,088
really the only ... place or direction that still has

4877
06:12:25,088 --> 06:12:27,718
to expand ... so it may well be that this

4878
06:12:27,718 --> 06:12:30,738
is a logical place but we just don't

4879
06:12:30,738 --> 06:12:34,268
no and you know why we hire staff and experts

4880
06:12:34,268 --> 06:12:37,448
in higher all these consultants simply to just ignore them

4881
06:12:37,448 --> 06:12:39,768
and bypass them and and and and and do our

4882
06:12:39,768 --> 06:12:42,758
own thing ... I think we need to we need

4883
06:12:42,758 --> 06:12:45,848
to listen ... we need to have all the information

4884
06:12:45,848 --> 06:12:47,608
in front of us before we make these sorts of

4885
06:12:47,608 --> 06:12:50,758
decisions and quite frankly we don't have that information for

4886
06:12:50,758 --> 06:12:53,308
us today we're talking about a few months we're not

4887
06:12:53,308 --> 06:12:56,448
talking about years and years so I don't really understand

4888
06:12:56,448 --> 06:12:59,488
the Russian this case I appreciate that affordable housing is

4889
06:12:59,488 --> 06:13:02,328
an issue cetera etcetera but it's been an issue for

4890
06:13:02,328 --> 06:13:04,828
years and years and years and why suddenly we have

4891
06:13:04,828 --> 06:13:07,988
to rush ahead by a few months ... is not

4892
06:13:08,198 --> 06:13:11,028
it's not obvious to me at all so ... I

4893
06:13:11,028 --> 06:13:14,938
will be supporting the staff direction thank you

4894
06:13:14,938 --> 06:13:20,938
councillor ray

4895
06:13:20,938 --> 06:13:22,658
thank you

4896
06:13:22,658 --> 06:13:25,888
I agree a hundred percent with what that counts McAlpine

4897
06:13:25,888 --> 06:13:28,098
just and I did does she care over the weekend

4898
06:13:28,098 --> 06:13:30,508
so we had a couple conversations

4899
06:13:30,508 --> 06:13:33,238
if you were deferred this application for now until the

4900
06:13:33,238 --> 06:13:35,928
region does to review

4901
06:13:35,928 --> 06:13:39,708
I'm having setbacks the consulting keeps saying you know we

4902
06:13:39,708 --> 06:13:41,778
need to Sam said ... because we're gonna do affordable

4903
06:13:41,778 --> 06:13:44,908
housing we gonna do seniors housing so what is affordable

4904
06:13:44,908 --> 06:13:46,518
housing

4905
06:13:46,518 --> 06:13:49,168
I don't personally believe that we will be able to

4906
06:13:49,168 --> 06:13:55,038
have affordable housing for purchase anywhere in Markham Lancaster expensive

4907
06:13:55,038 --> 06:13:57,638
and the days of buying properties of four hundred five

4908
06:13:57,638 --> 06:14:00,688
hundred thousand a long gone

4909
06:14:00,688 --> 06:14:03,278
put in a second fleets whether it's on the main

4910
06:14:03,278 --> 06:14:05,838
floor the basement or the second story in the million

4911
06:14:05,838 --> 06:14:08,878
dollar plus town house is not in my definition of

4912
06:14:08,878 --> 06:14:11,538
affordable housing

4913
06:14:11,538 --> 06:14:15,008
we are missing purpose built rentals and I applaud Giaschi

4914
06:14:15,008 --> 06:14:18,148
careful putting into apartment buildings and now the third one

4915
06:14:18,148 --> 06:14:22,618
so thank you and designated name for seniors

4916
06:14:22,618 --> 06:14:26,328
these apartments and not within walking distance your transit grocery

4917
06:14:26,328 --> 06:14:29,058
stores or mean it is there was a little hard

4918
06:14:29,058 --> 06:14:31,188
to tell on the map where the building was actually

4919
06:14:31,188 --> 06:14:33,758
gonna go so I'm gonna take cost way on nineteenth

4920
06:14:33,758 --> 06:14:36,088
Avenue between them

4921
06:14:36,088 --> 06:14:40,098
McAlinden Markham road that is not walkable to go to

4922
06:14:40,098 --> 06:14:44,198
Markham road and then north up to the SmartCentres

4923
06:14:44,198 --> 06:14:47,098
... I did talk to she care about seniors housing

4924
06:14:47,098 --> 06:14:48,808
and asked me if he had time to go visit

4925
06:14:48,848 --> 06:14:51,348
park view in Easton gate which is install which is

4926
06:14:51,348 --> 06:14:53,328
the closest

4927
06:14:53,328 --> 06:14:56,768
park view villages seniors housing consisting of a rental buildings

4928
06:14:57,138 --> 06:15:01,298
life please bungalows with no basements

4929
06:15:01,298 --> 06:15:04,358
long term care a cafe which is open to buy

4930
06:15:04,358 --> 06:15:08,098
lunches for the seniors a library and a full calendar

4931
06:15:08,098 --> 06:15:11,918
of events and activities the seniors to be engaged in

4932
06:15:11,918 --> 06:15:15,438
that is what is needed for seniors

4933
06:15:15,438 --> 06:15:18,168
this land was sold and it will never be farmland

4934
06:15:18,168 --> 06:15:21,128
again I pre and I understand that it is going

4935
06:15:21,128 --> 06:15:24,928
to be developed whether it's today five years ten years

4936
06:15:24,928 --> 06:15:26,988
or forty years in the future there will be development

4937
06:15:26,988 --> 06:15:29,878
on this property the question is should it be zoned

4938
06:15:29,878 --> 06:15:32,118
for development today

4939
06:15:32,118 --> 06:15:35,148
I'm going to guess that every single developer that owns

4940
06:15:35,148 --> 06:15:39,258
land is listening in to see what we say

4941
06:15:39,258 --> 06:15:42,688
whether it's green park that that my commode major mackenzie

4942
06:15:42,688 --> 06:15:45,338
whether it's in Cornell whether it's in line staff whether

4943
06:15:45,338 --> 06:15:48,128
it's one young St Buttonville they're all gonna be looking

4944
06:15:48,128 --> 06:15:50,268
to see what we say and they're all they all

4945
06:15:50,268 --> 06:15:54,138
want a fast track process with no public consultation and

4946
06:15:54,138 --> 06:15:56,888
that the province approve the zoning

4947
06:15:56,888 --> 06:15:59,608
we will have a little say on a few things

4948
06:15:59,848 --> 06:16:03,878
but the zoning will already be in place

4949
06:16:03,878 --> 06:16:07,058
Shakira did express interest in building something that is similar

4950
06:16:07,058 --> 06:16:09,228
to park view but that is not what is being

4951
06:16:09,228 --> 06:16:13,688
asked for today we cannot fast track process remove public

4952
06:16:13,688 --> 06:16:18,068
consultation in Norfolk in ignored the region's M. C. R.

4953
06:16:18,478 --> 06:16:21,738
is M. said always premature and we should support the

4954
06:16:21,738 --> 06:16:25,778
staff recommendation

4955
06:16:25,778 --> 06:16:34,798
well serviceman

4956
06:16:34,798 --> 06:16:36,998
thank you Mr chair

4957
06:16:36,998 --> 06:16:41,098
you know I am the today it's been a real

4958
06:16:41,428 --> 06:16:43,458
learning lesson for me

4959
06:16:43,458 --> 06:16:47,308
I have read all these ... thirty or forty different

4960
06:16:47,308 --> 06:16:50,858
emails that have gone on this issue and then of

4961
06:16:50,858 --> 06:16:54,578
course so many brilliant people have spoken again today and

4962
06:16:54,578 --> 06:16:58,108
that was really really sort of ... I was able

4963
06:16:58,108 --> 06:17:01,418
to grasp quite a few things and I think it's

4964
06:17:01,418 --> 06:17:04,958
a great process that we have well having public input

4965
06:17:05,208 --> 06:17:09,158
to me this is public input

4966
06:17:09,158 --> 06:17:13,718
I think the Mayor has shut explained what he has

4967
06:17:13,718 --> 06:17:17,738
been able to achieve with the builder

4968
06:17:17,738 --> 06:17:22,298
and I think the be ... the output that he's

4969
06:17:22,298 --> 06:17:26,128
been able to get meeting Dave forty acre park and

4970
06:17:26,128 --> 06:17:32,578
the additional seniors building affordable building one hundred percent affordable

4971
06:17:32,578 --> 06:17:34,628
and some of the questions that have been raised by

4972
06:17:34,628 --> 06:17:36,888
my fellow councillors

4973
06:17:36,888 --> 06:17:39,578
we do this year's walk by the way I don't

4974
06:17:39,578 --> 06:17:42,948
see many seniors walking can you anybody tell me where

4975
06:17:43,228 --> 06:17:47,968
is it should I in downtown somewhere seniors ... get

4976
06:17:47,968 --> 06:17:50,938
the the either they take their cars with their kids

4977
06:17:51,018 --> 06:17:53,408
or they are driven by the do you go by

4978
06:17:53,408 --> 06:17:57,258
the bus or not a major me so this question

4979
06:17:57,258 --> 06:18:05,578
already walking seniors on nineteen blind to reserve ready please

4980
06:18:05,578 --> 06:18:08,638
you know the other question that I would buy again

4981
06:18:08,638 --> 06:18:11,348
this is not that I'm a trying to answer the

4982
06:18:11,348 --> 06:18:14,388
questions raised by my fellow councillors would still have some

4983
06:18:14,388 --> 06:18:17,548
things in mind what was my mind changed a little

4984
06:18:17,548 --> 06:18:20,828
we should hide the stuff so that they can meet

4985
06:18:21,018 --> 06:18:24,278
are you expecting the stock to make decisions I don't

4986
06:18:24,278 --> 06:18:27,988
view it elected to make decisions from the expertise of

4987
06:18:27,988 --> 06:18:31,228
this stuff that's how it is supposed to be you

4988
06:18:31,228 --> 06:18:35,058
get the input and then these thirteen don't have me

4989
06:18:35,338 --> 06:18:36,708
sorry

4990
06:18:36,708 --> 06:18:38,948
and

4991
06:18:38,948 --> 06:18:42,828
and you said you'd be able then make the decisions

4992
06:18:42,828 --> 06:18:45,978
and that's how I like it so do you remember

4993
06:18:45,978 --> 06:18:48,518
have by dragonfish we are the ones who can be

4994
06:18:48,518 --> 06:18:51,858
making a decision not to stop otherwise we don't need

4995
06:18:51,858 --> 06:18:56,558
you councillors let this job on the city

4996
06:18:56,558 --> 06:18:59,768
now you know why I like this because I think

4997
06:19:00,088 --> 06:19:05,048
this development again that has been spoken before

4998
06:19:05,048 --> 06:19:07,858
one of the issues that we have really is that

4999
06:19:07,858 --> 06:19:12,408
the ... we're seeing the ... the infantry's scares and

5000
06:19:12,408 --> 06:19:14,608
broke his nose this

5001
06:19:14,608 --> 06:19:20,108
I promise once some obligation this process so until we

5002
06:19:20,108 --> 06:19:22,278
can fix it

5003
06:19:22,278 --> 06:19:24,688
what it what it needs to fix we should be

5004
06:19:24,688 --> 06:19:27,608
able to fix it until then I don't think the

5005
06:19:27,608 --> 06:19:31,518
applicant should be suffering does because we haven't got a

5006
06:19:31,518 --> 06:19:34,278
lot of our house in order

5007
06:19:34,278 --> 06:19:36,738
so I I think what a lot of people on

5008
06:19:36,738 --> 06:19:38,878
because I but I would be able to make a

5009
06:19:39,058 --> 06:19:41,958
lot of notes so ... from the input that I

5010
06:19:41,958 --> 06:19:45,948
got today but I think the important thing is again

5011
06:19:45,978 --> 06:19:48,648
and I think the room the mayor said well the

5012
06:19:48,648 --> 06:19:51,798
service connections to for the benefit of Dixon hill I

5013
06:19:51,798 --> 06:19:54,398
think that's a very important issue for that if they're

5014
06:19:54,398 --> 06:19:57,568
going to get it which this application I think this

5015
06:19:57,568 --> 06:19:59,658
is fantastic

5016
06:19:59,658 --> 06:20:06,108
so would really be getting here is a complete community

5017
06:20:06,108 --> 06:20:09,928
the farmers already sold his land the farmer decided that

5018
06:20:09,928 --> 06:20:12,748
he no longer wants to do is farming

5019
06:20:12,748 --> 06:20:15,618
and since when do we judge somebody what do you

5020
06:20:15,768 --> 06:20:17,738
what to do

5021
06:20:17,738 --> 06:20:20,838
so the farmers made a decision the applicant is in

5022
06:20:21,148 --> 06:20:23,138
and I think this is one of the good that

5023
06:20:23,138 --> 06:20:27,888
dive word today since morning will he is compromised and

5024
06:20:27,888 --> 06:20:31,258
is given back to the community even though he's philanthropic

5025
06:20:31,258 --> 06:20:33,488
things I I don't wanna make a comment on that

5026
06:20:33,488 --> 06:20:36,828
that's his personal business or his company's business but as

5027
06:20:36,828 --> 06:20:41,698
far as this project is concerned here's again being generous

5028
06:20:41,698 --> 06:20:45,368
and we're wise offering we are all dreaming that how

5029
06:20:45,368 --> 06:20:48,338
can we get these affordable housing I think at every

5030
06:20:48,338 --> 06:20:51,628
meeting to talk about we've done a builders you must

5031
06:20:51,658 --> 06:20:54,148
can you give us to be units it is going

5032
06:20:54,148 --> 06:20:56,968
to give you a whole

5033
06:20:56,968 --> 06:21:00,728
so I am taking this very seriously and Mr Mayor

5034
06:21:00,958 --> 06:21:05,158
I'm gonna second your motion if you are the local

5035
06:21:05,158 --> 06:21:10,098
councillor has a year yet seconded it I'll be I'll

5036
06:21:10,098 --> 06:21:12,738
be very happy to second the motion because I think

5037
06:21:12,738 --> 06:21:17,828
we should support this and and and get the development

5038
06:21:17,828 --> 06:21:20,598
that is needed in that area I can also host

5039
06:21:20,598 --> 06:21:23,658
none Amanda is go up to blast and she's got

5040
06:21:23,658 --> 06:21:27,088
a motion that she'll be making that's that's okay I

5041
06:21:27,088 --> 06:21:29,958
do want to make sure that it is seconded Pacific

5042
06:21:29,998 --> 06:21:35,468
councillor it's going to be great local councillor thank

5043
06:21:35,468 --> 06:21:36,838
okay

5044
06:21:36,838 --> 06:21:44,648
anyways thank you okay your comments regional councillor he's

5045
06:21:44,648 --> 06:21:49,748
thank you Mr chair is three forty I. I. S.

5046
06:21:49,898 --> 06:21:52,198
soon we're gonna come to the end of this sometime

5047
06:21:52,198 --> 06:21:55,088
before dinner or else we'll have to announce that a

5048
06:21:55,088 --> 06:21:58,828
half an hour so this is our longest meeting in

5049
06:21:58,828 --> 06:22:02,348
quite awhile ... yeah I just wanted to say that

5050
06:22:02,348 --> 06:22:03,588
to

5051
06:22:03,588 --> 06:22:08,308
I am very surprised Mister chair add to the approach

5052
06:22:08,308 --> 06:22:11,348
which I think council maybe taking next there have been

5053
06:22:11,348 --> 06:22:16,608
no no ... ... amendment to presented ... to the

5054
06:22:16,638 --> 06:22:20,428
proposed staff for a motion and ... I support the

5055
06:22:20,428 --> 06:22:25,218
proposed staff motion as listed ... I don't this is

5056
06:22:25,218 --> 06:22:26,598
going to

5057
06:22:26,598 --> 06:22:30,218
we have been working very hard on making out transit

5058
06:22:30,218 --> 06:22:33,978
oriented community you yourself are the best known on our

5059
06:22:33,978 --> 06:22:36,498
council for that purpose this is going to be the

5060
06:22:36,498 --> 06:22:41,998
most car oriented ... development made significant development than we

5061
06:22:41,998 --> 06:22:46,078
do yeah in ... quite some time ... it it

5062
06:22:46,108 --> 06:22:50,118
wouldn't be not very well serviced by transit ... it's

5063
06:22:50,118 --> 06:22:52,378
not as if there's going to be ... every ten

5064
06:22:52,378 --> 06:22:56,898
or twenty minute buses along nineteenth Avenue ... let alone

5065
06:22:56,948 --> 06:22:59,568
... further up that way

5066
06:22:59,568 --> 06:23:02,878
it is a long way away from shopping

5067
06:23:02,878 --> 06:23:06,018
it's about two to three kilometers which means you're driving

5068
06:23:06,328 --> 06:23:10,378
... to move the the US market center ... mention

5069
06:23:10,378 --> 06:23:12,838
install real let alone down let's say you go down

5070
06:23:12,838 --> 06:23:15,318
the columns a lot closer to you so a little

5071
06:23:15,318 --> 06:23:18,878
bit further so it's gonna be occurring in the community

5072
06:23:19,378 --> 06:23:22,168
the other thing is going to be is not affordable

5073
06:23:22,388 --> 06:23:25,108
you heard the definition as when I asked about what

5074
06:23:25,108 --> 06:23:30,108
affordable meant to them it's the same price as townhouses

5075
06:23:30,138 --> 06:23:33,248
a little bit removed from the center ... and probably

5076
06:23:33,248 --> 06:23:35,998
not that different than the townhouses that might be build

5077
06:23:35,998 --> 06:23:40,248
install will accept an original thought and I really do

5078
06:23:40,248 --> 06:23:43,418
applaud original thoughts on that and there will be the

5079
06:23:43,418 --> 06:23:47,588
building now a second suites which allows someone who is

5080
06:23:47,588 --> 06:23:51,388
paying the eight hundred thousand dollars for the townhouses ...

5081
06:23:51,388 --> 06:23:53,988
to get some money back and also be able to

5082
06:23:53,988 --> 06:23:58,508
afford it's almost double the price of that the region

5083
06:23:58,508 --> 06:24:01,758
pushing for affordable which there was no answer on the

5084
06:24:01,788 --> 06:24:04,868
on the singles ... we actually didn't hear price on

5085
06:24:04,868 --> 06:24:08,308
singles are I have no doubt it's over million over

5086
06:24:08,308 --> 06:24:10,788
the million dollar level

5087
06:24:10,788 --> 06:24:14,278
but nevertheless ... if people actually think on our council

5088
06:24:14,278 --> 06:24:16,918
but this is affordable then they ought to just go

5089
06:24:16,918 --> 06:24:19,328
back two weeks and see how our portable was to

5090
06:24:19,328 --> 06:24:22,268
find out when we had a workshop on the subject

5091
06:24:22,518 --> 06:24:26,078
a good deal lower than this so it's neither affordable

5092
06:24:26,408 --> 06:24:28,628
it is in a you know it's going to it

5093
06:24:28,628 --> 06:24:31,878
doesn't got long term care but I would advise the

5094
06:24:31,878 --> 06:24:35,018
people are listening I would advise the developers of the

5095
06:24:35,018 --> 06:24:37,438
land owners who are listening and there are probably as

5096
06:24:37,438 --> 06:24:41,078
one of the other council sets many listening ... and

5097
06:24:41,078 --> 06:24:43,588
they're trying to see how that they get their land

5098
06:24:43,588 --> 06:24:45,818
that is not in the urban boundary how did they

5099
06:24:45,818 --> 06:24:49,838
get it developed sooner rather than ten twenty or thirty

5100
06:24:49,838 --> 06:24:52,968
years from now you know they're sitting on investment equity

5101
06:24:52,968 --> 06:24:55,518
etcetera in a be best to get that money moves

5102
06:24:55,548 --> 06:24:57,788
well tell you come with three things to the province

5103
06:24:57,788 --> 06:24:59,868
and then Martin council by the looks of it will

5104
06:24:59,868 --> 06:25:03,738
be persuaded say something about long term care say something

5105
06:25:03,738 --> 06:25:07,498
about seniors and then say something about affordable and now

5106
06:25:07,528 --> 06:25:10,008
we have heard about the long term care in the

5107
06:25:10,008 --> 06:25:12,758
previous one and I certainly applaud that but if you

5108
06:25:12,758 --> 06:25:15,328
bring those things in there's a good chance you can

5109
06:25:15,328 --> 06:25:18,438
jump the queue that's really what we're looking at is

5110
06:25:18,438 --> 06:25:21,288
how do you get around the political system that we

5111
06:25:21,288 --> 06:25:23,988
have established and run with for many years here in

5112
06:25:24,248 --> 06:25:28,298
in Markham on how planning is orderly our planning will

5113
06:25:28,458 --> 06:25:31,838
each age ... five to ten years we'll take another

5114
06:25:31,838 --> 06:25:35,368
small amount they will take in this quadrant or what

5115
06:25:35,368 --> 06:25:37,958
have you and then the next ... ten years will

5116
06:25:37,958 --> 06:25:41,908
take a few more ... Markham has and we heard

5117
06:25:41,908 --> 06:25:46,318
at the region five regional councillors given the current system

5118
06:25:46,578 --> 06:25:48,898
we have land in the White House in Markham which

5119
06:25:48,898 --> 06:25:51,918
could remain still in the white belt and not in

5120
06:25:51,918 --> 06:25:55,368
the urban boundary in twenty fifty one thirty years from

5121
06:25:55,368 --> 06:25:58,628
now we have the ability we have intersected the lands

5122
06:25:58,658 --> 06:26:02,018
in the white belts which takes is this all this

5123
06:26:02,018 --> 06:26:04,348
land is white that would set her off to the

5124
06:26:04,348 --> 06:26:08,218
east even further we have landed that the region estimated

5125
06:26:08,248 --> 06:26:10,998
two weeks ago will remain

5126
06:26:10,998 --> 06:26:15,038
still White built and nonlinear boundaries for and thirty years

5127
06:26:15,358 --> 06:26:17,118
well of course what I'm saying to the people who

5128
06:26:17,118 --> 06:26:19,938
are listening Mr chair is you better find a way

5129
06:26:19,938 --> 06:26:22,368
to get around that or else you could be sitting

5130
06:26:22,368 --> 06:26:24,438
with land on your hand for thirty years how do

5131
06:26:24,438 --> 06:26:26,988
you get around it long term care has to be

5132
06:26:26,988 --> 06:26:30,638
in your development somewhere you have to appeal to somehow

5133
06:26:30,638 --> 06:26:34,518
procedures although all tell you the housing situation is much

5134
06:26:34,518 --> 06:26:39,338
worse for single families for families who are the working

5135
06:26:39,338 --> 06:26:42,778
poor um that's the ones you really have the greatest

5136
06:26:42,778 --> 06:26:45,868
need and then you wanna talk about affordable whether it's

5137
06:26:45,868 --> 06:26:48,738
affordable or not that will allow you to jump the

5138
06:26:48,738 --> 06:26:49,858
queue

5139
06:26:49,858 --> 06:26:52,158
so that's what we're doing right now we're avoiding the

5140
06:26:52,158 --> 06:26:55,728
system that we established in over many many years we

5141
06:26:55,728 --> 06:26:59,188
work on so I sit and we're also when we

5142
06:26:59,188 --> 06:27:02,908
missing well we orderly planning is at the window that's

5143
06:27:02,908 --> 06:27:06,308
what this is and ... we're also not going to

5144
06:27:06,308 --> 06:27:09,338
the public now I will present to my motion again

5145
06:27:09,648 --> 06:27:13,498
... ... that the recommendations ... go to I changed

5146
06:27:13,498 --> 06:27:17,118
from special counsel next week through a future council needy

5147
06:27:17,268 --> 06:27:22,008
... after ... ... any after holding a ... community

5148
06:27:22,008 --> 06:27:24,808
information meeting and yet for

5149
06:27:24,808 --> 06:27:28,698
I do think that's important we're skipping that as well

5150
06:27:29,188 --> 06:27:31,928
the defense is that we are committing are in the

5151
06:27:31,928 --> 06:27:36,088
process of committee against the orderly planning system that we've

5152
06:27:36,088 --> 06:27:39,238
had and being a part of your the chair Mister

5153
06:27:39,418 --> 06:27:42,348
Mister chair you you run it and if you can

5154
06:27:42,348 --> 06:27:44,728
be proud of the system that you been the chair

5155
06:27:44,728 --> 06:27:49,248
of the committee the the offenses against the orderly system

5156
06:27:49,248 --> 06:27:52,958
of planning R. as long as my arm

5157
06:27:52,958 --> 06:27:55,598
we should not be doing this we should not be

5158
06:27:55,598 --> 06:27:58,578
... listening to this if you and we and we

5159
06:27:58,608 --> 06:28:01,918
can talk about a boundary change today you know that

5160
06:28:01,918 --> 06:28:04,158
did come up maybe we just give it all snowball

5161
06:28:04,448 --> 06:28:07,648
that doesn't mean that the official plan and that doesn't

5162
06:28:07,648 --> 06:28:10,768
mean it's the overall planning system comes into in place

5163
06:28:10,768 --> 06:28:12,488
and all of a sudden it goes down to nineteen

5164
06:28:12,758 --> 06:28:16,268
that being said so ... you know I just think

5165
06:28:16,268 --> 06:28:19,048
that ... and we should look at least holding a

5166
06:28:19,048 --> 06:28:22,068
public meeting let's hear what public say at least don't

5167
06:28:22,068 --> 06:28:25,888
do that offense the planning system ... and ... we

5168
06:28:25,888 --> 06:28:28,358
got lots of time we asked whether or not there

5169
06:28:28,358 --> 06:28:31,568
was a ... any need to be rushed on this

5170
06:28:31,758 --> 06:28:35,568
I'm sure ... one or two weeks to more or

5171
06:28:35,568 --> 06:28:38,248
three weeks more can be and also that would be

5172
06:28:38,248 --> 06:28:42,498
my ... amendments ... that the recommendations ... go through

5173
06:28:42,498 --> 06:28:45,068
a future council meeting

5174
06:28:45,068 --> 06:28:46,788
absolutely

5175
06:28:46,788 --> 06:28:49,388
click she's gonna move the motion and yet you can

5176
06:28:49,388 --> 06:28:52,038
see what it is and then you thought I'd like

5177
06:28:52,038 --> 06:28:56,088
to move right like to move while I've been holding

5178
06:28:56,088 --> 06:28:58,968
you know you I'd like to move the motion of

5179
06:28:58,968 --> 06:29:02,198
the staff is presented the recommendations that have been brought

5180
06:29:02,198 --> 06:29:04,948
forward by the staff I'd like to move that and

5181
06:29:04,948 --> 06:29:07,328
no one smoked it and maybe there's a second ...

5182
06:29:07,638 --> 06:29:10,898
I got shot it's her ward she is asked to

5183
06:29:10,898 --> 06:29:13,508
be lasting she wants she's got a motion she's gonna

5184
06:29:13,508 --> 06:29:17,718
move an amendment if she wishes ... ... and parts

5185
06:29:17,718 --> 06:29:19,528
that then she

5186
06:29:19,528 --> 06:29:22,568
someone else may wish to move it I'm not I'm

5187
06:29:22,568 --> 06:29:25,238
already hopeless due respect the other local councillor I have

5188
06:29:25,238 --> 06:29:28,198
asked to be a speaking ... to be the last

5189
06:29:28,198 --> 06:29:31,378
one to speak so let me see you respect the

5190
06:29:31,378 --> 06:29:34,528
local councillor to to speak for all I have no

5191
06:29:34,528 --> 06:29:36,118
idea modeling

5192
06:29:36,118 --> 06:29:39,328
we're speaking I know I've made a motion some we

5193
06:29:39,328 --> 06:29:43,838
turn any speaker the recommendation of nociceptive nerves and I'm

5194
06:29:43,918 --> 06:29:50,058
I'm not and seconded Mr chair there could be a

5195
06:29:50,058 --> 06:29:51,328
motion to

5196
06:29:51,328 --> 06:29:55,818
recommendation councillor clergy Austin hour and a half ago the

5197
06:29:55,818 --> 06:29:59,418
last and she has a motion okay yeah okay thank

5198
06:29:59,418 --> 06:30:01,928
you I thank you Mr chair really really appreciate it

5199
06:30:02,258 --> 06:30:05,998
... I was going to speak actually before lunch time

5200
06:30:05,998 --> 06:30:08,508
barred sour cherry said that you know what let all

5201
06:30:08,508 --> 06:30:11,958
the councils speak first and ... I do appreciate that

5202
06:30:11,958 --> 06:30:14,628
are giving me the opportunity to finally speak this is

5203
06:30:14,628 --> 06:30:18,468
my first time to speak and I've been extremely extremely

5204
06:30:18,468 --> 06:30:21,618
patients you want to listen to all the ... you

5205
06:30:21,618 --> 06:30:24,608
know all the previous speaker sound you know to express

5206
06:30:24,608 --> 06:30:28,098
their opinions manner and also ... the perspective as well

5207
06:30:28,568 --> 06:30:32,638
I'm going to have for the last many years Samuel

5208
06:30:32,638 --> 06:30:35,508
as soon as I got a lack of the councillors

5209
06:30:35,558 --> 06:30:39,028
no back in twenty fourteen ... your affordable housing and

5210
06:30:39,028 --> 06:30:42,578
senior housing has always been on top of the hour

5211
06:30:42,608 --> 06:30:46,318
many residents sound mind and that in fact in my

5212
06:30:46,318 --> 06:30:50,628
ward you know I can't could only wish to have

5213
06:30:50,698 --> 06:30:54,988
applications you'll related to senior housing I'll be a long

5214
06:30:54,988 --> 06:30:58,338
term care definitely you know we are or we all

5215
06:30:58,338 --> 06:31:01,618
know that you know the community is in our dying

5216
06:31:01,618 --> 06:31:05,038
need like huge need for long term care but I

5217
06:31:05,038 --> 06:31:08,208
think that the old most of the the people probably

5218
06:31:08,208 --> 06:31:14,228
kinda neglected ... independence our senior living you know people

5219
06:31:14,228 --> 06:31:17,208
like say for example you all my own mother or

5220
06:31:17,208 --> 06:31:19,848
my mother in law you know who can you know

5221
06:31:19,848 --> 06:31:22,698
take care of themselves but they want a place for

5222
06:31:22,698 --> 06:31:25,178
their wrong and it is something that I have been

5223
06:31:25,208 --> 06:31:31,708
always advocating and ... also ... soliciting ... developers every

5224
06:31:31,708 --> 06:31:34,268
time that they went when they have five applications come

5225
06:31:34,328 --> 06:31:36,218
come ye and I always ask them what is your

5226
06:31:36,218 --> 06:31:41,128
components to support that type of that group of residents

5227
06:31:41,128 --> 06:31:45,018
or citizens so ... obviously you know when I when

5228
06:31:45,018 --> 06:31:47,488
I saw this application come in and I do agree

5229
06:31:47,488 --> 06:31:50,578
with the walks ... the Mayor has to say that

5230
06:31:50,908 --> 06:31:51,328
you know that the

5231
06:31:51,328 --> 06:31:55,008
it's not a a spots you'll type of the development

5232
06:31:55,008 --> 06:31:59,458
our our application this application is really could in conjunction

5233
06:31:59,488 --> 06:32:03,758
with what is already approved by the I'll go to

5234
06:32:03,758 --> 06:32:07,908
council of FISA I tell still fill up north there

5235
06:32:08,308 --> 06:32:11,238
and ... most often that you know we see a

5236
06:32:11,238 --> 06:32:14,038
developing ... development which is the old kind of to

5237
06:32:14,038 --> 06:32:18,498
worse to the south and we complain about the traffic

5238
06:32:18,498 --> 06:32:20,478
because you know all the traffic always go to the

5239
06:32:20,478 --> 06:32:24,898
south and and west and this development is actually north

5240
06:32:25,058 --> 06:32:27,968
east which is I I in my opinion I think

5241
06:32:27,968 --> 06:32:31,778
that is fantastic because you know we we're not going

5242
06:32:31,778 --> 06:32:36,478
to be adding your traffic to the most congested out

5243
06:32:36,478 --> 06:32:40,518
way already ... yeah which is to the north east

5244
06:32:40,838 --> 06:32:45,588
and ... no I really like the the components of

5245
06:32:45,618 --> 06:32:49,518
... ... those so senior buildings and Daniel I do

5246
06:32:49,518 --> 06:32:53,998
hope that the applicants would also add ... out to

5247
06:32:53,998 --> 06:32:57,818
the ... the the bottom amenities would allow ... no

5248
06:32:57,818 --> 06:33:03,248
doctor's office or ... don't like medical offices there to

5249
06:33:03,248 --> 06:33:07,778
support that community as well ... so we'll which is

5250
06:33:07,778 --> 06:33:11,928
so very very important for many seniors and in fact

5251
06:33:12,478 --> 06:33:15,748
in the past ... I have always been advocating that

5252
06:33:16,108 --> 06:33:21,298
... you'll any application related to senior senior housing or

5253
06:33:21,298 --> 06:33:27,938
affordable housing should be ... somehow on your speed dial

5254
06:33:28,128 --> 06:33:30,158
in terms of the process because you know we we

5255
06:33:30,158 --> 06:33:33,278
frankly we don't have enough of that type of the

5256
06:33:33,518 --> 06:33:36,828
application that we don't have enough stock like that kind

5257
06:33:36,828 --> 06:33:40,238
of housing stock I easy of Markham or even the

5258
06:33:40,238 --> 06:33:44,458
in the GTA area so with that ... I'm really

5259
06:33:44,458 --> 06:33:48,728
in support of this application in fact I am really

5260
06:33:48,728 --> 06:33:51,328
excited to see this is happening in

5261
06:33:51,328 --> 06:33:54,138
in my war again thanks to to ... that time

5262
06:33:54,138 --> 06:33:57,178
will still feel ... you'll because they're they're do all

5263
06:33:57,238 --> 06:34:00,268
majority of the chunk of the development is really in

5264
06:34:00,298 --> 06:34:03,538
in their town and ... the old the the north

5265
06:34:03,538 --> 06:34:07,478
part of my ward how or secure Markham is benefiting

5266
06:34:07,888 --> 06:34:11,988
from whites ... a majority of that develop in is

5267
06:34:11,988 --> 06:34:14,878
that happening it it's going to happen in that in

5268
06:34:14,878 --> 06:34:18,418
still feel so I Mr tab I actually missed the

5269
06:34:18,418 --> 06:34:22,878
chair ... I'm going to move to ... I support

5270
06:34:22,908 --> 06:34:26,618
our this application with the amendments that the ... the

5271
06:34:26,618 --> 06:34:29,538
Mayor has mentioned and also I wanted to make sure

5272
06:34:29,538 --> 06:34:33,618
that are the applicants I it's also are considering ...

5273
06:34:33,618 --> 06:34:36,248
yell at the bottom floor all of those city ...

5274
06:34:36,278 --> 06:34:40,528
buildings that would have ... does some medical centers site

5275
06:34:40,558 --> 06:34:43,668
amenities so that many of the seniors don't have to

5276
06:34:43,668 --> 06:34:47,538
go go too far out to pick up the medication

5277
06:34:47,538 --> 06:34:50,808
or goes to a doctor or down no to do

5278
06:34:50,808 --> 06:34:55,028
blood Pastorini of the health check ... I think that

5279
06:34:55,028 --> 06:34:57,278
this pending make has really taught us a lot of

5280
06:34:57,278 --> 06:35:02,118
lessons including how we can actually protect our seniors ...

5281
06:35:02,118 --> 06:35:04,628
you know if we have those type of our facilities

5282
06:35:04,988 --> 06:35:09,088
are downstairs it would actually help our seniors to provide

5283
06:35:09,088 --> 06:35:12,728
more via the convenience and also a safety protection as

5284
06:35:12,728 --> 06:35:17,308
well so I know that it's ... councillor keys meeting

5285
06:35:17,308 --> 06:35:20,308
is actually right next to my ward and I know

5286
06:35:20,308 --> 06:35:23,708
that you know he's residents with with repair likely be

5287
06:35:23,708 --> 06:35:26,988
... benefits ... from from this development so I believe

5288
06:35:26,988 --> 06:35:31,908
that that council the cases okay to second it

5289
06:35:31,908 --> 06:35:34,868
yes

5290
06:35:34,868 --> 06:35:37,908
okay that's it yes I just wanted to move the

5291
06:35:37,908 --> 06:35:40,148
motion thank you

5292
06:35:40,148 --> 06:35:44,208
I remember years ago when we were doing that green

5293
06:35:44,208 --> 06:35:47,108
belts white belt I forget how many years ago it's

5294
06:35:47,108 --> 06:35:49,788
not Frank it though it that eleven hundred node at

5295
06:35:49,788 --> 06:35:53,158
the Hilton suites

5296
06:35:53,158 --> 06:35:55,418
I can't hear you

5297
06:35:55,418 --> 06:35:58,438
12 years ago 1213 years ago

5298
06:35:58,438 --> 06:36:01,398
but one of the things okay that's been change okay

5299
06:36:01,398 --> 06:36:04,778
we're we're doing a planning based at twenty forty one

5300
06:36:05,128 --> 06:36:06,978
now it's fifty one but if you're going to integrate

5301
06:36:06,978 --> 06:36:10,578
transit into into it too is probably twenty sixty one

5302
06:36:11,278 --> 06:36:14,938
anything that I said back then thirteen years ago I'm

5303
06:36:14,938 --> 06:36:18,948
in favor of doing complete planning and and so my

5304
06:36:18,948 --> 06:36:22,888
recommendation to staff would be start planning the rest right

5305
06:36:22,888 --> 06:36:25,588
over the forty eight one there and you can freeze

5306
06:36:25,748 --> 06:36:29,268
but we should start planning that implant a complete integrated

5307
06:36:29,268 --> 06:36:32,208
community and plan to what we're gonna be when they

5308
06:36:32,208 --> 06:36:34,888
grow up and it's a lot easier to eat to

5309
06:36:34,888 --> 06:36:38,378
start really planning your integrated rail transit is when you

5310
06:36:38,378 --> 06:36:43,008
have the complete plan so I support your motion that

5311
06:36:43,008 --> 06:36:46,478
you just made but I think gonna ... looks the

5312
06:36:46,478 --> 06:36:49,218
planning staff should be trying to figure out a way

5313
06:36:49,268 --> 06:36:52,578
how they could complete the future urban areas right or

5314
06:36:52,578 --> 06:36:56,408
forty eight to

5315
06:36:56,408 --> 06:37:01,468
I have no speakers

5316
06:37:01,468 --> 06:37:05,078
come on their stupidity

5317
06:37:05,078 --> 06:37:08,748
so Mister chair I just wanna make sure ... that

5318
06:37:08,748 --> 06:37:13,598
all the elements were captured in concert Collucci stop motion

5319
06:37:13,628 --> 06:37:16,618
and that is ... the requirement of a four acre

5320
06:37:16,618 --> 06:37:21,288
park above the ... Park dedication required for under the

5321
06:37:21,288 --> 06:37:26,508
planning act the contribution of the capital dollars towards the

5322
06:37:26,548 --> 06:37:32,598
construction of the park ... and that ... an additional

5323
06:37:32,978 --> 06:37:39,118
... seniors building one hundred units of affordable rental as

5324
06:37:39,118 --> 06:37:45,328
defined under York regions are definition for a affordable ...

5325
06:37:45,958 --> 06:37:52,018
... rental and that the environmental impact studies be undertaken

5326
06:37:52,538 --> 06:37:56,878
and that T. RCA conditions be incorporated as part of

5327
06:37:56,878 --> 06:38:00,958
the ... conditions of of approval and that the site

5328
06:38:00,958 --> 06:38:05,168
plan ... remained are under the control of the city

5329
06:38:05,168 --> 06:38:09,268
of Barca and ... I guess it has to be

5330
06:38:09,268 --> 06:38:13,228
a supper clause which include the clause councillor ray refer

5331
06:38:13,228 --> 06:38:16,848
to ... the ...

5332
06:38:16,848 --> 06:38:24,838
I guess permission to have Sammy's

5333
06:38:24,838 --> 06:38:27,468
and what was that I wanna make sure capture all

5334
06:38:27,468 --> 06:38:31,168
the range that the OP Sammy's just American check check

5335
06:38:31,168 --> 06:38:34,638
and jump in so semi detached houses

5336
06:38:34,638 --> 06:38:39,398
yeah duplexes tri plex

5337
06:38:39,398 --> 06:38:42,598
for praxis

5338
06:38:42,598 --> 06:38:47,278
bungalows the bungalows offs and bunga towns

5339
06:38:47,278 --> 06:38:50,318
okay so that that be included in the range of

5340
06:38:50,318 --> 06:38:56,128
... Club uses and ...

5341
06:38:56,128 --> 06:38:58,038


5342
06:38:58,038 --> 06:39:01,668
sorry it was one more

5343
06:39:01,668 --> 06:39:04,468
what things

5344
06:39:04,468 --> 06:39:08,768
so yes Mr chair sorry I'd also like the inclusion

5345
06:39:08,838 --> 06:39:12,068
and ... I think we'll leave it more general now

5346
06:39:12,068 --> 06:39:18,348
but also the inclusion of ... ... some commercial ...

5347
06:39:18,378 --> 06:39:20,468
and again I think it speaks to our accounts are

5348
06:39:20,468 --> 06:39:23,508
Collucci touched on one aspect of it and that is

5349
06:39:23,998 --> 06:39:28,038
... having some ... medical ... and I would be

5350
06:39:28,038 --> 06:39:32,718
incorporated but ... also some commercial art you know I

5351
06:39:32,718 --> 06:39:36,048
at this notion and maybe I'll say a little bit

5352
06:39:36,048 --> 06:39:40,568
more at another time ... but we have seniors within

5353
06:39:40,818 --> 06:39:44,378
in different facilities now some of them actually are in

5354
06:39:44,378 --> 06:39:48,278
close proximity of shopping yet they still get a bus

5355
06:39:48,718 --> 06:39:51,958
to pick them up and take them to go shopping

5356
06:39:52,528 --> 06:39:55,918
... so again I'm not gonna go and and debate

5357
06:39:55,918 --> 06:39:59,018
necessarily all of the points that were raised fair to

5358
06:39:59,018 --> 06:40:02,128
say that there is shopping close by yeah there may

5359
06:40:02,128 --> 06:40:04,508
have to be a shuttle bus that takes on there

5360
06:40:04,758 --> 06:40:08,428
but then I I wouldn't want to exclude ... commercial

5361
06:40:08,428 --> 06:40:12,428
... completely in that you know that can be incorporated

5362
06:40:12,668 --> 06:40:18,608
within the community ... without also be ... usana maybe

5363
06:40:18,608 --> 06:40:20,838
stopped and helped me there but I don't want to

5364
06:40:20,838 --> 06:40:23,928
get there I don't want to get a up

5365
06:40:23,928 --> 06:40:25,118
I'll tell you right now I don't want to have

5366
06:40:25,118 --> 06:40:29,208
those of the the big box retailers incorporate the side

5367
06:40:29,208 --> 06:40:32,208
because there across the street so ... I I wanna

5368
06:40:32,208 --> 06:40:35,098
make sure that's not what we're suggesting here and that

5369
06:40:35,098 --> 06:40:39,548
the proper working as a corporate sector allows for our

5370
06:40:39,548 --> 06:40:42,918
commercial but I think stop understand the type of commercial

5371
06:40:42,918 --> 06:40:45,208
so you might have to help in the wording here

5372
06:40:45,638 --> 06:40:48,468
... it's not it's not a whole sale a by

5373
06:40:48,468 --> 06:40:50,548
the way you can now set up on the big

5374
06:40:50,548 --> 06:40:55,608
box retailer here it's it's about incorporating detailed that sign

5375
06:40:55,608 --> 06:41:00,298
up it's obviously available to not just the seniors but

5376
06:41:00,298 --> 06:41:03,428
the families with them number

5377
06:41:03,428 --> 06:41:07,968
maybe start can help ... help craft that particular box

5378
06:41:07,968 --> 06:41:09,978
lots

5379
06:41:09,978 --> 06:41:13,178
and ... the other thank you Mr chairman it really

5380
06:41:13,238 --> 06:41:19,208
speaks to ... regional council pizza comments which

5381
06:41:19,208 --> 06:41:22,868
I'll tire I I

5382
06:41:22,868 --> 06:41:25,778
I've tried to stick to the issue and I will

5383
06:41:25,778 --> 06:41:28,908
stick to the issue I'll take my own advice ...

5384
06:41:28,908 --> 06:41:32,278
but after hearing those comments I I have a few

5385
06:41:32,278 --> 06:41:35,438
comments of my own for the next fifteen minutes and

5386
06:41:35,438 --> 06:41:39,708
I don't want to waste committees time ... by our

5387
06:41:39,708 --> 06:41:41,858
I would just say and I think others of Senate

5388
06:41:41,858 --> 06:41:46,118
while we get advice from our style

5389
06:41:46,118 --> 06:41:50,608
we take everything into consideration and then there's council makes

5390
06:41:50,608 --> 06:41:54,448
a decision and let's be very very clear

5391
06:41:54,448 --> 06:41:56,868
this is in front of us

5392
06:41:56,868 --> 06:41:58,898
we didn't ask to be here it's in front of

5393
06:41:58,898 --> 06:42:02,878
us and now we have a decision to make do

5394
06:42:02,878 --> 06:42:06,598
you want to incorporate these elements in a response to

5395
06:42:06,598 --> 06:42:09,138
the province to what's been put in front of us

5396
06:42:09,628 --> 06:42:13,558
or do you want not to do that and ...

5397
06:42:13,758 --> 06:42:17,588
you know maybe lose a an opportunity to get some

5398
06:42:17,588 --> 06:42:21,028
things for the city of Markham and that that's what

5399
06:42:21,028 --> 06:42:25,228
life is it's about decisions and ... and even when

5400
06:42:25,258 --> 06:42:28,248
you don't want to deal with something ... I think

5401
06:42:28,248 --> 06:42:31,928
you have to sort of make a statement about how

5402
06:42:31,928 --> 06:42:35,148
you want to deal with something and and ... trying

5403
06:42:35,148 --> 06:42:39,098
to avoid it doesn't necessarily get you anymore benefit for

5404
06:42:39,098 --> 06:42:42,528
the community that that we're trying to Sir ... so

5405
06:42:42,528 --> 06:42:46,158
I'll leave my comments for another day Mister chair ...

5406
06:42:46,158 --> 06:42:49,568
because everyone awaits committees time but I I will just

5407
06:42:49,568 --> 06:42:52,588
say that this should go to council tomorrow as well

5408
06:42:53,108 --> 06:42:56,128
and again I only say that because I think it's

5409
06:42:56,128 --> 06:43:02,058
before us because it's being given serious consideration and the

5410
06:43:02,058 --> 06:43:05,768
ward councillor and others you know we can help meetings

5411
06:43:05,768 --> 06:43:09,668
we can certainly provide further comments ... I I want

5412
06:43:09,848 --> 06:43:14,678
perhaps to take another two minutes for ... Carolines or

5413
06:43:14,678 --> 06:43:19,428
the commissioner just to confirm there will be other parts

5414
06:43:19,428 --> 06:43:22,988
of this process that will have to come back to

5415
06:43:22,988 --> 06:43:28,278
council and will be subject to artificial

5416
06:43:28,278 --> 06:43:32,288
planning hearing those elements of the planning process and maybe

5417
06:43:32,288 --> 06:43:35,958
they could describe what they are

5418
06:43:35,958 --> 06:43:37,348
Mr Mayor

5419
06:43:37,348 --> 06:43:41,488
thank you very much Mister chair the planning process is

5420
06:43:41,488 --> 06:43:44,768
subsequent to this and said ... and it's not flat

5421
06:43:44,768 --> 06:43:48,378
it would come in with a ... subdivision application

5422
06:43:48,378 --> 06:43:50,548
there are some blocks on the plans to there be

5423
06:43:50,548 --> 06:43:53,618
site plan required for all the blocks in the plan

5424
06:43:54,268 --> 06:43:58,568
to those processes staff will be engaged involved here statutory

5425
06:43:58,568 --> 06:44:03,568
requirements associated with these processes which do include public consultation

5426
06:44:03,568 --> 06:44:06,688
on the subdivision review they'll be dropped lands of sub

5427
06:44:06,918 --> 06:44:10,028
subdivision which will address many of the issues you're we

5428
06:44:10,028 --> 06:44:14,178
talk about today including servicing and ... and so forth

5429
06:44:14,178 --> 06:44:17,968
will be able to capture a lot of what we

5430
06:44:17,968 --> 06:44:21,298
talked about to that to that of doubt planned subdivision

5431
06:44:21,298 --> 06:44:24,978
process of falling which obviously they'll be registration and so

5432
06:44:24,978 --> 06:44:30,998
forth ... in terms of next steps up we've heard

5433
06:44:30,998 --> 06:44:34,088
Mr Mayor and ... Mister chair some of the comments

5434
06:44:34,088 --> 06:44:38,968
and ... cancer Collucci from your proposed a motion and

5435
06:44:38,968 --> 06:44:41,898
that somebody at the digitalized for council tomorrow what we

5436
06:44:41,898 --> 06:44:46,518
could do is bring back a ... a resolution that

5437
06:44:46,748 --> 06:44:49,968
council could consider dial can caps late will be heard

5438
06:44:49,968 --> 06:44:54,368
here today specifically around the provision of affordable housing we

5439
06:44:54,368 --> 06:44:57,408
talked a lot about that we talked about exceeding the

5440
06:44:57,408 --> 06:45:00,428
park land requirements and so forth so we could bring

5441
06:45:00,428 --> 06:45:03,748
some of that back to more to council Mr archer

5442
06:45:04,028 --> 06:45:06,778
and that works

5443
06:45:06,778 --> 06:45:09,318
and I start shooting stand up you want to speak

5444
06:45:09,318 --> 06:45:11,268
a few minutes ago so you still want to speak

5445
06:45:11,268 --> 06:45:13,628
secure

5446
06:45:13,628 --> 06:45:16,518
no Sir I'm good for now thank you all

5447
06:45:16,518 --> 06:45:19,278
thanks maybe I would just like to confirm hi ...

5448
06:45:19,308 --> 06:45:22,708
I agree with cancer Colucci of adding the commercial space

5449
06:45:22,738 --> 06:45:26,398
... ... on the main floor to have ... maybe

5450
06:45:26,398 --> 06:45:29,018
doctors offices or things like that and maybe like the

5451
06:45:29,018 --> 06:45:31,068
mayor said maybe even a little bit general so that

5452
06:45:31,068 --> 06:45:33,478
if he needed to have like a convenience or grocery

5453
06:45:33,478 --> 06:45:36,478
store for the seniors but we if we are given

5454
06:45:36,478 --> 06:45:38,568
a bit of flexibility that would just help us out

5455
06:45:39,078 --> 06:45:40,978
thank you Sir all

5456
06:45:40,978 --> 06:45:44,188
... grace can you put the you know the motion

5457
06:45:44,188 --> 06:45:47,348
up on the screen if you're gonna ready and in

5458
06:45:47,348 --> 06:45:51,758
Calgary Joe councillor Keith

5459
06:45:51,758 --> 06:45:56,038
thank you Mr chair ... ... I would like to

5460
06:45:56,038 --> 06:45:59,078
move but under management so I'm not going to insist

5461
06:45:59,078 --> 06:46:01,618
on the fact that the motion was on the floor

5462
06:46:01,878 --> 06:46:04,748
because I think from having read it reading the cards

5463
06:46:04,828 --> 06:46:08,488
... I can re did it it likely wouldn't pass

5464
06:46:08,488 --> 06:46:11,948
and just the latest all process ... so let's move

5465
06:46:11,948 --> 06:46:14,708
on if people don't agree with the motion being put

5466
06:46:14,708 --> 06:46:19,128
forward by council cheating Morgenstern as I will ... but

5467
06:46:19,128 --> 06:46:22,648
nevertheless are presented a ... an amendment there is no

5468
06:46:22,678 --> 06:46:26,458
urgency remember we talked about urgency to last time but

5469
06:46:26,458 --> 06:46:29,648
there is no urgency in this one ... so I

5470
06:46:29,648 --> 06:46:33,208
would like to move ... and members that the recommendations

5471
06:46:33,208 --> 06:46:37,928
... ... and ... as adopted by council ... and

5472
06:46:37,928 --> 06:46:41,978
no the recommendation go to future council ... ... after

5473
06:46:41,978 --> 06:46:46,078
holding a community information meeting in the end for ...

5474
06:46:46,108 --> 06:46:48,578
and so this would mean that it wouldn't go tomorrow

5475
06:46:48,828 --> 06:46:52,368
it could go in two weeks tomorrow ... ... but

5476
06:46:52,368 --> 06:46:55,488
in the interim there would be a ... community information

5477
06:46:55,488 --> 06:46:59,238
meeting such a ... such an amendment would at least

5478
06:46:59,238 --> 06:47:02,618
honor ... the process that ... we have always followed

5479
06:47:02,618 --> 06:47:07,098
here in Markham that church important should developments planning development

5480
06:47:07,098 --> 06:47:10,118
it's better I think this one is ... at least

5481
06:47:10,118 --> 06:47:13,568
to have a public meeting or a community meeting I

5482
06:47:13,568 --> 06:47:16,628
was it may not be required I remind council that

5483
06:47:16,628 --> 06:47:21,798
we unanimously sent down to the same ministry ... is

5484
06:47:21,798 --> 06:47:25,358
that going to get the response are requesting them to

5485
06:47:25,358 --> 06:47:29,888
introduce uh this kind of public consultations into the process

5486
06:47:30,328 --> 06:47:33,418
at present it's not there it would be reasonable for

5487
06:47:33,418 --> 06:47:36,588
Martin to honor the resolution we sent down two weeks

5488
06:47:36,588 --> 06:47:39,478
ago to have such a meeting even though it's right

5489
06:47:39,478 --> 06:47:41,738
now it's not in the process that's why we call

5490
06:47:41,738 --> 06:47:46,168
it community information meeting rather than a public meeting which

5491
06:47:46,168 --> 06:47:50,028
is the official word for it so there's my recommendation

5492
06:47:50,028 --> 06:47:51,378
... Ford amendment

5493
06:47:51,378 --> 06:47:53,678
and I'm hoping I can find a second year I

5494
06:47:53,678 --> 06:47:58,278
think we'll narrow strip hideous motion included going to council

5495
06:47:58,278 --> 06:47:59,588
tomorrow

5496
06:47:59,588 --> 06:48:03,828
yes and I'm making a ... a recommendation look at

5497
06:48:03,908 --> 06:48:08,708
their goal ... in probably in two weeks tomorrow I

5498
06:48:08,708 --> 06:48:10,758
think we have a meeting in two weeks tomorrow got

5499
06:48:10,788 --> 06:48:15,418
a next meeting in my mind ... but nevertheless it's

5500
06:48:15,418 --> 06:48:19,808
this of passes then back to the recommendation passes name

5501
06:48:19,808 --> 06:48:23,098
with the ... it we're going to weeks and I

5502
06:48:23,098 --> 06:48:25,478
think it's reasonable to ... we took it once already

5503
06:48:25,478 --> 06:48:28,518
and I'm I'm I'm thinking out because there's no rush

5504
06:48:28,518 --> 06:48:31,358
Mr chair ... that there may be others who would

5505
06:48:31,358 --> 06:48:34,488
like to support this time because it's not our urgent

5506
06:48:34,488 --> 06:48:37,088
need it's not urgent that we have some kind of

5507
06:48:37,088 --> 06:48:39,258
resolution by the end of the month

5508
06:48:39,258 --> 06:48:40,868
Skippy

5509
06:48:40,868 --> 06:48:43,798
our future

5510
06:48:43,798 --> 06:48:47,018
if the date is referencing reference I don't I don't

5511
06:48:47,018 --> 06:48:50,548
mind a reference to the community leading aren't for nations

5512
06:48:50,548 --> 06:48:53,568
meeting ... I think if the date is taken out

5513
06:48:53,568 --> 06:48:56,308
of that ... actually are friendly ... change that could

5514
06:48:56,308 --> 06:49:00,408
be incorporated ... I I I think it was very

5515
06:49:00,408 --> 06:49:04,668
evident this morning because of a number of factors why

5516
06:49:04,808 --> 06:49:08,958
so we probably should have gotten comments stock ... you

5517
06:49:08,958 --> 06:49:12,408
know funding for the LTC was was one of them

5518
06:49:12,518 --> 06:49:14,928
and I will go through the other elements I think

5519
06:49:14,928 --> 06:49:19,238
that with this I would really hate for us to

5520
06:49:19,268 --> 06:49:24,648
Mr a window of opportunity and ... I think guarantees

5521
06:49:24,648 --> 06:49:29,208
comments to the province we can always add more ...

5522
06:49:29,208 --> 06:49:32,618
but I think it it clearly states what our interests

5523
06:49:32,618 --> 06:49:35,948
are in our interests are in the interests of ...

5524
06:49:35,978 --> 06:49:41,668
of the broader community so certainly an information meeting I'll

5525
06:49:41,668 --> 06:49:44,838
tire ... I can't speak to it but I think

5526
06:49:44,838 --> 06:49:49,138
that's probably been ... certainly much more people aware in

5527
06:49:49,138 --> 06:49:52,238
that area related to the planning process and the witcher

5528
06:49:52,238 --> 06:49:57,468
Stovall side ... over the past several months and then

5529
06:49:57,498 --> 06:50:01,548
... this may generate ... that being sad ... I

5530
06:50:01,548 --> 06:50:05,588
think having a community meeting that that we can share

5531
06:50:05,828 --> 06:50:09,478
some of this information more widely but I would just

5532
06:50:09,478 --> 06:50:12,558
say this I I I think it's important we get

5533
06:50:12,558 --> 06:50:16,328
comments actually down to the province of Ontario because after

5534
06:50:16,328 --> 06:50:19,728
the fact so it's a little tougher to do and

5535
06:50:19,728 --> 06:50:22,658
I'm always one to say use the levers that you

5536
06:50:22,658 --> 06:50:26,668
have available to you to look out for what we

5537
06:50:26,668 --> 06:50:29,298
want and then that if we have more levers if

5538
06:50:29,298 --> 06:50:32,278
we have the luxury of more Sievers down the road

5539
06:50:32,668 --> 06:50:35,648
... ... then we use them but I'd hate for

5540
06:50:35,648 --> 06:50:39,178
that opportunity to pass by site I will disagree and

5541
06:50:39,178 --> 06:50:42,588
there were other other factors as to why getting comments

5542
06:50:42,588 --> 06:50:43,318
down the problem

5543
06:50:43,318 --> 06:50:46,368
once with the previous application and for this one I

5544
06:50:46,368 --> 06:50:47,908
would just say I don't want to miss the window

5545
06:50:47,908 --> 06:50:50,938
of opportunity

5546
06:50:50,938 --> 06:50:53,078
can you open up sold on the motion to go

5547
06:50:53,078 --> 06:50:55,198
to council tomorrow

5548
06:50:55,198 --> 06:50:58,028
... Mr okay I've got my thing on to speak

5549
06:50:58,118 --> 06:51:03,778
B. R. N. men's earlier meant it's councillor Calpine I'm

5550
06:51:03,778 --> 06:51:05,168
sorry

5551
06:51:05,168 --> 06:51:06,538
earn

5552
06:51:06,538 --> 06:51:11,548
thank you Mr chair ... yes it looks like ...

5553
06:51:12,228 --> 06:51:15,208
we need a second or for regional council heats motion

5554
06:51:15,658 --> 06:51:18,008
for the amendment so if he's if he still wants

5555
06:51:18,008 --> 06:51:20,228
to leave that amendment on the floor then I'll I'll

5556
06:51:20,418 --> 06:51:21,978
I'll seconded

5557
06:51:21,978 --> 06:51:25,348
and I also would like to respond very briefly to

5558
06:51:25,348 --> 06:51:29,358
a couple of comments from the Mayor ... ... I'm

5559
06:51:29,358 --> 06:51:31,078
not quite sure

5560
06:51:31,078 --> 06:51:33,638
really I was the target of of of his comments

5561
06:51:33,718 --> 06:51:36,038
and ... and I'm not quite sure why he was

5562
06:51:36,078 --> 06:51:39,038
getting so agitated when I said that we needed to

5563
06:51:39,038 --> 06:51:41,608
listen to our consultants and our expert staff and so

5564
06:51:41,608 --> 06:51:44,578
forth I was really quite frankly referring to the MCR

5565
06:51:44,578 --> 06:51:48,018
in the LNA and that absolutely I agree we need

5566
06:51:48,018 --> 06:51:50,148
to make decisions but we need to make decisions when

5567
06:51:50,148 --> 06:51:53,798
we have all the information and quite frankly were were

5568
06:51:53,798 --> 06:51:56,228
it looks like we're rushing to make a decision today

5569
06:51:56,228 --> 06:51:59,358
part partner ... and all in a border I want

5570
06:51:59,358 --> 06:52:02,588
to make it abundantly here are wasn't agitated because of

5571
06:52:02,588 --> 06:52:07,168
council McAlpine I was not at all no no I

5572
06:52:07,618 --> 06:52:12,088
was I I respect that perspective of getting a staff

5573
06:52:12,088 --> 06:52:15,488
comments and and I'd never at but I wasn't educated

5574
06:52:15,988 --> 06:52:20,118
... about anything you said after hearing a speech a

5575
06:52:20,118 --> 06:52:23,608
quite lengthy one I've got another

5576
06:52:23,608 --> 06:52:27,298
you say about refuting everything that was said and one

5577
06:52:27,298 --> 06:52:29,388
thing I will say is that if we're going to

5578
06:52:29,388 --> 06:52:33,078
share something publicly that was discussed in camera at least

5579
06:52:33,078 --> 06:52:36,218
get your information right but I'll leave that for another

5580
06:52:36,218 --> 06:52:39,568
day Mister chair and I wasn't educated about you at

5581
06:52:39,568 --> 06:52:41,348
all councillor

5582
06:52:41,348 --> 06:52:43,898
well thank you very much anyway my point was that

5583
06:52:44,458 --> 06:52:47,328
if we're going to involves as I said our consultants

5584
06:52:47,328 --> 06:52:50,808
and staff at the region of the city cetera ...

5585
06:52:50,838 --> 06:52:53,728
I think we do it behooves us to to to

5586
06:52:53,728 --> 06:52:55,968
listen to them not definitely to follow them but to

5587
06:52:55,968 --> 06:52:58,288
listen to them and can make make sure we have

5588
06:52:58,448 --> 06:53:01,228
all the information and quite frankly we don't have all

5589
06:53:01,228 --> 06:53:04,278
the information today so I'm as I said earlier I

5590
06:53:04,278 --> 06:53:08,158
think ... it premature to B. two B. ... ...

5591
06:53:08,308 --> 06:53:10,968
voting on this application and it's not clear to me

5592
06:53:10,968 --> 06:53:12,708
at all white needs to go by and Ms that

5593
06:53:12,708 --> 06:53:17,308
out ... what's the rush there's no emergency ... and

5594
06:53:17,308 --> 06:53:19,618
I think we would make better planning decisions anyway I

5595
06:53:19,618 --> 06:53:25,238
will second ... ... councillor it's a regional conflict

5596
06:53:25,238 --> 06:53:28,168
also right

5597
06:53:28,168 --> 06:53:30,548
thank you and the other adjustment that needs to be

5598
06:53:30,548 --> 06:53:33,628
made in the ... amendments that Mr method risk here

5599
06:53:33,628 --> 06:53:36,188
is that the number of units had gone down so

5600
06:53:36,188 --> 06:53:44,298
that needs to be incorporated in the resolution the staff

5601
06:53:44,298 --> 06:53:48,348
councillor hosted and the other thing Mr Mr tears ...

5602
06:53:48,398 --> 06:53:50,578
regional council he put the motion on the floor to

5603
06:53:50,578 --> 06:53:53,118
meet the staff recommendation I second it suits their to

5604
06:53:53,118 --> 06:53:55,548
be voted so it needs to be voted down first

5605
06:53:55,688 --> 06:53:58,778
also right motions already on the floor I was holding

5606
06:53:58,778 --> 06:54:02,988
it down councillor Colucci had indicated an hour and a

5607
06:54:02,988 --> 06:54:05,848
half or actually book two or three hours ago that

5608
06:54:06,458 --> 06:54:08,978
location read the rest of us didn't know so maybe

5609
06:54:08,978 --> 06:54:10,878
the club can help out but there is a motion

5610
06:54:10,878 --> 06:54:12,748
on the floor and that can be voted down and

5611
06:54:12,748 --> 06:54:14,968
then council pollute you can put her motion and that's

5612
06:54:14,968 --> 06:54:17,408
the way my understanding is how it works but there

5613
06:54:17,408 --> 06:54:20,018
is a motion on the floor and then now we

5614
06:54:20,018 --> 06:54:22,668
have the amendment to the motion right so we're not

5615
06:54:22,948 --> 06:54:25,668
making up the rules as we go I'm

5616
06:54:25,668 --> 06:54:29,238
I'll post the chair I am withdrawing my motion my

5617
06:54:29,488 --> 06:54:31,918
account as well as you can and I don't want

5618
06:54:31,918 --> 06:54:35,058
to delay distribu longer work or fourteen I can see

5619
06:54:35,058 --> 06:54:38,868
on my clock so I'm withdrawing my motion in favor

5620
06:54:39,038 --> 06:54:42,358
of their what they recommend staff recommendation council include cheese

5621
06:54:42,358 --> 06:54:46,088
motion is what we vote on okay enough the first

5622
06:54:46,088 --> 06:54:47,948
thing if I'm one of the vote on the amendment

5623
06:54:47,948 --> 06:54:49,238
is

5624
06:54:49,238 --> 06:54:52,668
2 weeks to council instead of tomorrow

5625
06:54:52,668 --> 06:54:55,148
okay can

5626
06:54:55,148 --> 06:54:57,868
if you wanna

5627
06:54:57,868 --> 06:55:00,838
can we gotta do the roll call ... he's in

5628
06:55:00,838 --> 06:55:03,328
favor Mr Mayor

5629
06:55:03,328 --> 06:55:06,168
Marge's gonna say just just be clear what you're asking

5630
06:55:06,168 --> 06:55:09,818
us to vote on because ... particularly in this form

5631
06:55:09,818 --> 06:55:13,428
I don't want any misunderstandings at all yes tomorrow is

5632
06:55:13,428 --> 06:55:14,508
what

5633
06:55:14,508 --> 06:55:15,988
the night

5634
06:55:15,988 --> 06:55:18,748
so instead of going to nine it's going to go

5635
06:55:18,748 --> 06:55:22,438
to two weeks from that once the next council working

5636
06:55:22,438 --> 06:55:25,488
days all

5637
06:55:25,488 --> 06:55:30,188
January twenty third so instead of the nine go to

5638
06:55:30,188 --> 06:55:32,558
February twenty third

5639
06:55:32,558 --> 06:55:34,858
all in favor

5640
06:55:34,858 --> 06:55:39,498
mmhm well I agree that includes Mr share any community

5641
06:55:39,498 --> 06:55:42,978
information meeting in the end for

5642
06:55:42,978 --> 06:55:44,958
that that that's part of it I mean there's no

5643
06:55:44,958 --> 06:55:49,298
need to delay it if you're not doing something Indian

5644
06:55:49,298 --> 06:55:52,418
we'll be doing a lot of information

5645
06:55:52,418 --> 06:55:56,918
I have 4 opposed

5646
06:55:56,918 --> 06:55:59,748
where's your hand Mr Mayor I'm sorry you didn't say

5647
06:55:59,748 --> 06:56:04,308
in favor also had Florida okay a post

5648
06:56:04,308 --> 06:56:08,938
123456

5649
06:56:08,938 --> 06:56:11,468
coach and also your hand

5650
06:56:11,468 --> 06:56:13,498
7

5651
06:56:13,498 --> 06:56:18,508
TJ Jones nine for the night okay now will go

5652
06:56:18,508 --> 06:56:22,768
back to the main motion which is councillor Collucci certainly

5653
06:56:24,078 --> 06:56:27,858
yeah with masking fifties the add ons

5654
06:56:27,858 --> 06:56:30,808
can you put up on the screen please slash race

5655
06:56:31,038 --> 06:56:41,038
that's

5656
06:56:48,678 --> 06:56:53,928
sorry

5657
06:56:53,928 --> 06:56:58,908
check

5658
06:56:58,908 --> 06:57:01,078
that would be

5659
06:57:01,078 --> 06:57:04,238
you could a little bigger

5660
06:57:04,238 --> 06:57:07,268
the thing on the bottom right hand corner just move

5661
06:57:07,268 --> 06:57:14,088
that

5662
06:57:14,088 --> 06:57:15,088
yeah

5663
06:57:15,088 --> 06:57:17,308
the

5664
06:57:17,308 --> 06:57:20,628
Mr chairman there's no approval in their their needs vehicle

5665
06:57:21,138 --> 06:57:22,438
route

5666
06:57:22,438 --> 06:57:25,428
even though I'm not favorite there's no approval clause in

5667
06:57:25,428 --> 06:57:27,358
there which has been taken out of the old one

5668
06:57:27,358 --> 06:57:30,458
which for the staff turned down now and yet to

5669
06:57:30,458 --> 06:57:34,968
have that it be approved

5670
06:57:34,968 --> 06:57:38,658
she

5671
06:57:38,658 --> 06:57:42,168
can you

5672
06:57:42,168 --> 06:57:52,488
so

5673
06:57:54,238 --> 06:58:00,758
can we put approval that we which are

5674
06:58:00,758 --> 06:58:04,478
we're looking at yeah

5675
06:58:04,478 --> 06:58:09,898
and Committee approved the consent of all

5676
06:58:09,898 --> 06:58:13,368
with the following conditions Mr I think the wording is

5677
06:58:13,368 --> 06:58:16,448
not approved we don't we don't approve ministers owning orders

5678
06:58:16,448 --> 06:58:28,698
but support with the following conditions

5679
06:58:37,178 --> 06:58:41,028
when committee supports the Ministry of sorting order with the

5680
06:58:41,028 --> 06:58:45,438
following additional permit conditions

5681
06:58:45,438 --> 06:58:50,248
we could see committee not to council

5682
06:58:50,248 --> 06:58:52,478
especially

5683
06:58:52,478 --> 06:58:59,298
all ICS which

5684
06:58:59,298 --> 06:59:01,358
okay

5685
06:59:01,358 --> 06:59:04,478
everybody okay with that yeah

5686
06:59:04,478 --> 06:59:09,338
Mr Mayor

5687
06:59:09,338 --> 06:59:11,938
I can't see anybody

5688
06:59:11,938 --> 06:59:15,958
loans chair I think ... I mean stock could fix

5689
06:59:15,958 --> 06:59:18,698
this up but I I really think that so after

5690
06:59:18,698 --> 06:59:20,508
clause one

5691
06:59:20,508 --> 06:59:24,138
yes I understand the intent of the resolution so you

5692
06:59:24,138 --> 06:59:28,388
have clause one and I think clause to because that

5693
06:59:28,698 --> 06:59:32,358
will be ... you know are because this does go

5694
06:59:32,358 --> 06:59:38,528
to council this isn't delegated to ... development services close

5695
06:59:38,528 --> 06:59:42,268
to would be ... that the city of Markham supports

5696
06:59:42,898 --> 06:59:47,528
B. at AM central and our obviously there's a number

5697
06:59:47,528 --> 06:59:51,018
or some kind of number associated with that I think

5698
06:59:51,018 --> 06:59:53,558
they can put that in later the city of Markham

5699
06:59:53,558 --> 06:59:58,988
supports that the minister zoning ... order which is ...

5700
06:59:58,988 --> 07:00:04,628
the following conditions and request the minister peninsula municipal affairs

5701
07:00:04,958 --> 07:00:15,168
to include these conditions in order

5702
07:00:15,168 --> 07:00:22,378
so

5703
07:00:22,378 --> 07:00:32,968
okay

5704
07:00:42,248 --> 07:00:46,098
so should she give

5705
07:00:46,098 --> 07:00:51,508
what

5706
07:00:51,508 --> 07:00:54,268
this okay well you can work it you can check

5707
07:00:54,268 --> 07:00:58,258
set up after that Mr chairman what about the servicing

5708
07:00:58,258 --> 07:01:00,378
it they should be in there is the condition I

5709
07:01:00,378 --> 07:01:03,798
think it should or is the covered in something that's

5710
07:01:03,798 --> 07:01:15,178
already there the first

5711
07:01:19,178 --> 07:01:21,788
I think we need it in there

5712
07:01:21,788 --> 07:01:28,558
the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant

5713
07:01:28,558 --> 07:01:32,618
yeah sure Prasad we needed and yes Mr chairman you

5714
07:01:32,618 --> 07:01:36,318
definitely needed in there I think it could be that

5715
07:01:36,758 --> 07:01:45,928
confirmation of the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant

5716
07:01:45,928 --> 07:01:48,038
so is that for a minute there I thought I

5717
07:01:48,038 --> 07:01:52,478
was talking to myself

5718
07:01:52,478 --> 07:01:55,018
and Mister chair Mister chair we could that stop look

5719
07:01:55,018 --> 07:01:56,928
at this tonight and

5720
07:01:56,928 --> 07:01:59,808
the matter is making it all the lots are

5721
07:01:59,808 --> 07:02:07,478
it's servicing servicing arrangements

5722
07:02:07,478 --> 07:02:15,248
I see I NG

5723
07:02:15,248 --> 07:02:19,218
okay maybe just put municipal servicing in front municipal just

5724
07:02:19,218 --> 07:02:22,928
to be clear

5725
07:02:22,928 --> 07:02:24,638
okay

5726
07:02:24,638 --> 07:02:27,338
the staff to clean it up has to be absolutely

5727
07:02:27,338 --> 07:02:29,498
Mister chairman was the consistent I to get back to

5728
07:02:29,498 --> 07:02:33,578
you okay can I share last year sorry not and

5729
07:02:33,578 --> 07:02:37,298
I may have confused the issue ... when I said

5730
07:02:37,298 --> 07:02:38,998
that so

5731
07:02:38,998 --> 07:02:43,768
the applicant had offered up to additional acres it's not

5732
07:02:43,768 --> 07:02:48,178
expanding the existing park from two it would it would

5733
07:02:48,178 --> 07:02:51,688
that the applicants ...

5734
07:02:51,688 --> 07:02:54,068
and and again it whether it's the applicant or the

5735
07:02:54,068 --> 07:03:00,178
ministers zoning order but either way the applicant provide

5736
07:03:00,178 --> 07:03:02,438
shortly yours

5737
07:03:02,438 --> 07:03:05,948
of occasional park land

5738
07:03:05,948 --> 07:03:15,578
above and beyond the requirements in the planning act

5739
07:03:15,578 --> 07:03:18,548
so would be our transitional four acre park as I

5740
07:03:18,548 --> 07:03:24,338
said whatever amenities we alternately decided if this zoning order

5741
07:03:24,338 --> 07:03:30,698
gets gets approved

5742
07:03:30,698 --> 07:03:35,438
the park land dedication in in the planning act

5743
07:03:35,438 --> 07:03:42,648
required by the planning act sorry

5744
07:03:42,648 --> 07:03:48,078
we're

5745
07:03:48,078 --> 07:03:50,898
okay

5746
07:03:50,898 --> 07:03:53,518
I can't he would go along so everybody okay with

5747
07:03:53,518 --> 07:03:55,748
that Mr merry okay

5748
07:03:55,748 --> 07:03:59,478
the next order we've we've missed anything bigger probably catch

5749
07:03:59,478 --> 07:04:03,318
it tomorrow it accounts okay so let's go to this

5750
07:04:03,318 --> 07:04:05,568
so I can of the boat because I can't see

5751
07:04:05,568 --> 07:04:11,448
anybody

5752
07:04:11,448 --> 07:04:14,848
so all in favor of the

5753
07:04:14,848 --> 07:04:17,108
Clea

5754
07:04:17,108 --> 07:04:21,868
motion

5755
07:04:21,868 --> 07:04:24,288
the Cao one

5756
07:04:24,288 --> 07:04:29,988
2345678

5757
07:04:29,988 --> 07:04:32,408
post

5758
07:04:32,408 --> 07:04:39,718
12345 let's 13 miscarriage

5759
07:04:39,718 --> 07:04:46,688
questions where are we now

5760
07:04:46,688 --> 07:04:50,828
second markets general be at another date

5761
07:04:50,828 --> 07:04:53,158
we don't need the part will have the presentation everything

5762
07:04:53,398 --> 07:04:55,708
motions anybody got any

5763
07:04:55,708 --> 07:04:59,488
regional council he

5764
07:04:59,488 --> 07:05:03,398
we did did for Mr chaired the Markham center to

5765
07:05:03,708 --> 07:05:07,918
... another DST but we also have the ... the

5766
07:05:07,918 --> 07:05:13,248
confidential agenda and I read it carefully ... I eat

5767
07:05:13,248 --> 07:05:15,308
let's get into that I just wanna go through ...

5768
07:05:15,308 --> 07:05:17,448
I was just gonna recommend we send it on to

5769
07:05:17,448 --> 07:05:20,728
council ... ... it to

5770
07:05:20,728 --> 07:05:22,598
I have no problem with that

5771
07:05:22,598 --> 07:05:24,468
it

5772
07:05:24,468 --> 07:05:29,208
moved the motion sent on the council's seconded by councilor

5773
07:05:29,248 --> 07:05:32,608
Luci all in favor

5774
07:05:32,608 --> 07:05:35,148
opposed carries

5775
07:05:35,148 --> 07:05:38,878
so there's no motions no notice of motions any new

5776
07:05:38,878 --> 07:05:41,318
or other business

5777
07:05:41,318 --> 07:05:44,128
announcements

5778
07:05:44,128 --> 07:05:47,628
so we just have a motion to adjourn

5779
07:05:47,628 --> 07:05:53,008
moved by concert Eastman second by councillor I Keyes all

5780
07:05:53,008 --> 07:05:54,748
in favor

5781
07:05:54,748 --> 07:05:59,008
opposed carries 6

5782
07:05:59,008 --> 07:06:03,058
four twenty five jujur four twenty five well I think

5783
07:06:03,518 --> 07:06:06,008
so lot of territory

5784
07:06:06,008 --> 07:06:08,478
one way or the other

5785
07:06:08,478 --> 07:06:19,178
6