[15:40] good morning
[15:42] Jim Johnson share of the global services and welcome to
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[19:15] items seven one in seven to
[19:19] and ... this I believe it's one of the items
[19:23] or maybe both one of the items will take a
[19:25] long time and we're going to ...
[19:29] whatever time when finished we're not we're we're asking the
[19:33] people who are doing the Markham city center that plan
[19:37] to be on stream at twelve thirty so if we're
[19:40] done a quarter to twelve take a lunch break or
[19:43] ... if we're done at twelve will still take the
[19:46] lunch break in the back to twelve thirty four done
[19:48] later we will look at that time on okay so
[19:52] that's
[19:54] because we do have the applications on the market center
[19:57] I have nine deputations on item seven to
[20:02] so I think we can get going
[20:06] so
[20:09] yeah can I
[20:11] not a slur can you do a roll call of
[20:13] the council ... the committee members that are here
[20:40] Irish here
[20:44] councillor hole president
[20:47] councillor one here
[20:50] councillor rate
[20:52] president
[20:56] president
[20:58] councillor
[21:00] president
[21:02] councillor Usman present
[21:05] councillor we present
[21:09] more regional councillor he
[21:12] president
[21:14] regional councillor lean I sent
[21:17] regional council Jones press
[21:21] Deputy Mayor Hamilton
[21:23] president
[21:25] Mayor skyrocketing
[21:30] present
[21:32] all members of council are here today you have a
[21:34] quorum it's section of
[21:37] in regional council be
[21:39] read your account clerking this year only showed up
[21:45] mostly
[21:49] this
[21:50] okay
[21:52] is there any disclosure of pecuniary interests
[21:57] seeing none
[21:59] I like the approval of the previous minutes which is
[22:01] the development services committee that minutes January twenty fifth
[22:08] comment on that let's
[22:11] I have a comment on the previous minutes okay
[22:15] moved ministers will be moved by
[22:18] respondents sector by the Deputy Mayor Hamilton
[22:22] councillor ray Hey on the I. ninety nine hundred Markham
[22:25] Roach
[22:31] it was requested that staff to provide an update status
[22:34] report on the vacant heritage buildings within the city in
[22:37] any process and process improvements I asked for that to
[22:41] be done in ninety days otherwise it'll go missing and
[22:45] it's a more about the enforcement which so Reagan has
[22:49] a list of her to chose but so I'm is
[22:51] gonna bring back the enforcement on it as well so
[22:54] I just wanna make sure the invoice mentioned in their
[22:56] within ninety days
[22:59] so it doesn't get lost
[23:04] okay
[23:06] thank you
[23:08] so all in favor
[23:11] opposed carries
[23:14] we'll do the deputations with the item
[23:18] communications received from
[23:22] we had twenty six on the ... thanks for us
[23:25] you gave me another
[23:27] overall we got about 70
[23:29] blinders okay communications moved to receive the communications
[23:36] councillor Lee and seconded by councillor Paul all in favor
[23:42] oppose carrots no no projections
[23:46] and a on the regular report ... seven point one
[23:50] city of Markham comments to the province on a ministers
[23:54] owning a larger request by Maanshan foundation to remain at
[23:59] a long term care facility
[24:02] within a learning center an assisted living communication at thirty
[24:06] six apple creek Boulevard Ward two Mr commissioner you wanna
[24:12] kick this off yes thank you Mr chairman for the
[24:15] opportunity so we have request you have received a request
[24:19] from the province of Ontario for comments on the proposed
[24:24] ministers only water this is by the Maanshan foundation
[24:30] and it's not you to permit a long term care
[24:32] facility there is a learning center component there's also an
[24:37] assisted living ... community also being a proposed at thirty
[24:41] six apple creek Boulevard
[24:44] hello this is apple creek and ... just east of
[24:48] Woodbine
[24:49] ... this is within ... so employment lands I was
[24:54] surrounded by some employment lands and ... this is ...
[24:57] and ... and item that staff would be working on
[25:00] it's been led by Stephen Lew Stephen to manager in
[25:04] our planning department
[25:06] and ... Mister chairman Stephen is here with a ...
[25:08] short our presentation and then if you're a willing you
[25:14] can introduce the representatives from Maanshan iron and they also
[25:18] have a short presentation
[25:22] a Stephen
[25:24] thank you Mr Prasad's ... and and good morning committee
[25:28] and and and members of committee here are today we
[25:31] do have Stephanie Wong we have Frank child and we
[25:35] have ... ... that Tim Klein are from Maanshan foundation
[25:41] we also have all been theater from image you see
[25:44] who's representing ... Maanshan there's any consultants I do have
[25:48] a quick presentation I do want to share with you
[25:51] one second
[26:05] Mr Prasad mentioned I am Stephen ... I am the
[26:07] manager of the central planning district in the city of
[26:09] Markham ... today as I said we have a presentation
[26:13] to committee on the city's comments the province on Marchand's
[26:17] ministers only order request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard
[26:24] section forty seven of the planning act provides the Ministry
[26:27] principal fears and housing with authority to make ends it
[26:30] does Mr zoning orders to control use of land anywhere
[26:35] in Ontario and it does require mail over local plans
[26:39] and zoning bylaws and they're intended to be used to
[26:42] protect matters of provincial interest
[26:45] Furthermore ministers decision on Ms L. application is required to
[26:49] be consistent with the provincial policy statement and that's in
[26:52] accordance with the planning act
[26:55] on February second two thousand twenty one the Ministry requested
[26:59] for the city of Markham comments on Marchand's spends that'll
[27:02] request at thirty six apple creek Boulevard
[27:08] to set the context in twenty twenty the Ontario government's
[27:12] committed to an aggressive modernization plan to create a long
[27:16] term care facility long term care sector that is really
[27:21] resident centered while providing high quality care
[27:25] the commitment included point seven five billion dollar investment to
[27:28] create thirty thousand modern long term care spaces over ten
[27:32] years
[27:34] the new spaces would increase access to long term care
[27:37] to meet clinical safety and social needs of Ontarians
[27:45] respecting the policy context the centre image here
[27:49] shows that apple creek Boulevard is located east of Woodbine
[27:53] Avenue on the west side of the Rouge river system
[27:58] and on the north side of apple creek road
[28:01] the image on the left here
[28:04] is an excerpt from York region's official plan where designates
[28:08] thirty six apple creek as urban area and regional agreements
[28:12] system
[28:14] the regional official plan requires a local municipalities to designate
[28:17] and protect employment lands in local municipal official plans and
[28:22] only permits the conversion to non employment uses through the
[28:25] municipal comprehensive review
[28:28] Furthermore the policies require local official plans to identify opportunities
[28:34] to integrate the regional green land system into community design
[28:38] encourage remedial works hands means opportunities which can be determined
[28:43] through a future municipal site plan approval application and approval
[28:47] by the Toronto region conservation authority
[28:51] the image to the right here
[28:54] is an excerpt from the city's official plan which designates
[28:57] thirty six appropriate as business parks and greenway system
[29:02] with an employment areas the policies of our official plan
[29:06] like for a range of employment uses a corporate location
[29:10] contributes to the creation of complete communities and protection of
[29:15] employment lands land uses that may affect the continued viability
[29:19] of existing employment uses
[29:22] similar to the official plan of the region the city's
[29:26] official plan only permits the conversion of employment lands to
[29:29] non employment uses through municipal comprehensive review or an ANSI
[29:34] art
[29:38] in Q. three twenty twenty March John expressed interest to
[29:42] locate a long term care facility and life lease housing
[29:47] at thirty six apple creek to provide for the escalating
[29:49] demands for support to the city's aging population
[29:54] in fact the Markham older adults strategy report from two
[29:58] thousand seventeen identified a hundred and twenty three percent increase
[30:04] expected growth of older adults from twenty eleven to twenty
[30:08] twenty six
[30:10] compared to sixteen percent increase of adults and five percent
[30:13] of you
[30:15] as already noted the thirty six apple creek Boulevard location
[30:18] is currently within an existing and established business park employment
[30:22] area
[30:24] the introduction of the Maanshan development is considered an employment
[30:28] land conversion
[30:30] York region is currently conducting a review of its official
[30:33] plan through an MCR process
[30:37] the growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe requires the
[30:40] designation of employment areas in the regional official plan only
[30:44] allows for employment your conversions through regional and see our
[30:49] the region opposed the November twenty nine two thousand nineteen
[30:54] deadline for conversion request submissions as part of their current
[30:58] and see our process
[31:01] in response the timing challenges and in light of the
[31:04] twenty twenty provincial government commitments resulting from York region no
[31:08] longer considering any further employment conversions during their MCR process
[31:14] Maanshan foundation requested the minister minutes photo appears and housing
[31:20] for themselves
[31:26] Ms that'll request books the following
[31:29] construction of two new seven story mixed use buildings as
[31:33] conceptually showing here
[31:35] the proposed development consists of an approximate GFA of fifty
[31:39] two thousand square meters I density of two point five
[31:43] F. aside and includes a hundred and twelve parking spaces
[31:48] building one
[31:50] right here along apple creek includes approximately two hundred and
[31:54] fifty affordable units life least likely skewness
[31:59] in a mixed use building approximately thirty one thousand square
[32:03] meters
[32:04] with a vocational training centre for personal support workers I
[32:09] heritage learning center
[32:11] and after school and weekend heritage and immersion youth programs
[32:16] like space age in place opportunities
[32:20] building too at the rear of the property
[32:23] includes approximately a hundred and sixty bed long term care
[32:28] facility with about sixteen thousand square meters including medical exam
[32:33] rooms classrooms and a comment residents dining hall
[32:41] upon review and consultation with the city's engineering urban design
[32:46] policy planning environmental planning and development planning teams the following
[32:51] is recommended
[32:53] that the City courts the M. zero request by Maanshan
[32:58] subject to the recommendation zoning standards attached in appendix D.
[33:03] this particular fabric a twenty twenty one staff report and
[33:06] for the following reasons
[33:09] both nearby low rise residential to the east the main
[33:13] distinguishing factor with the subject lands its location at the
[33:17] periphery of an existing employment area
[33:21] and it's a media adjacency to the north south and
[33:24] west businesses exist smaller scale office industrial and retail uses
[33:32] a further contextual distinguishes the location of the subject from
[33:36] its overall employment area in the vicinity shown in figure
[33:40] two of the attached report
[33:43] between reasons a and B. the introduction of Maanshan developments
[33:48] which is a sense of land use would less likely
[33:51] destabilize the remaining employment area while the adjacent smaller scale
[33:55] uses will likely not negatively impact the development
[34:00] additionally the subject lands are within the built up area
[34:03] that is well served with existing infrastructure including water and
[34:07] sanitary
[34:09] other supporting services within a five hundred metre radius of
[34:13] the subject lands would complement the uses proposed in the
[34:17] end that all requests including but not limited to medical
[34:22] facilities retail places of worship and educational institute
[34:29] as reflected in appendix D. other tax report staff recommends
[34:34] the proposed development as part of Marchand's and that ...
[34:37] request be subject to the city site plan control process
[34:42] being the optimal tool to enable a thorough and full
[34:46] some evaluation of the proposal
[34:49] Maanshan is aware of this and a high staff they
[34:52] have no objection
[34:54] and staff recommend intricate the introduction of the full one
[34:58] sorry the old one open spaces a home in the
[35:01] draft and that'll that would ensure the protection and enhancement
[35:06] of the interface with the natural heritage features immediately east
[35:10] Maanshan is aware of this and by staff they have
[35:14] no objection
[35:18] for the next steps staff recommends the February two thousand
[35:22] twenty one report be forwarded to the Ministry York region
[35:27] and a trauma region conservation authority as Markham's comments on
[35:31] the Maanshan foundation ends at a request for thirty six
[35:34] apple creek Boulevard
[35:38] thank you this concludes staff's presentation on and that report
[35:42] I will now head over to Albin Theodore planning consultants
[35:45] for Marcia foundation
[35:47] hello I just have a
[35:50] Deputy Mayor Hamilton one the question to you steeple
[35:54] yes Mr
[36:00] unmute yourself okay
[36:10] okay go ahead not
[36:13] yes thanks Mr Charles gonna wait till after the present
[36:16] all the presentations were
[36:18] okay we'll do that thank you
[36:21] next is so this won't
[36:26] is it Stephanie Wong are you making the presentation
[36:30] no Mr Jacobs albeit or from M. H. B. C.
[36:33] okay Oakland
[36:38] thank you Mr chair a wasn't able to
[36:41] ... I need myself until now ... I'm going to
[36:44] share screen
[36:48] I wanna make sure that everyone is able to see
[36:52] our presentation
[36:58] so just stop thank you everyone and ... our presentation
[37:02] is going to be our presenter by a number of
[37:05] of us from from Sean Chen Quan ... representing Maanshan
[37:09] myself ... ... represent much of a planning perspective in
[37:13] our architect ... Michael I will also be speaking just
[37:17] to some of the specifics of the proposal ...
[37:20] it's an honor to be able to speak today ...
[37:23] I request for support of an and settle for a
[37:26] mixed use multi purpose continuum of care seniors living facility
[37:31] ... what I'd like to do is ... I'll turn
[37:34] it over to him who's going to speak a bit
[37:37] about Maanshan with history um and what motion generally don't
[37:44] thank you Evelyn
[37:46] this is chairman and members of council my name is
[37:49] Tim Kwan
[37:51] I'm D. volunteer chairman of monsoon foundation
[37:55] for more than 10 years now
[37:58] to get with me today
[38:00] our number one all past presidents current director and board
[38:07] advisor saying Charles
[38:11] N. I. S. C. O. Stephanie Wong
[38:15] all planner Elden CeeLo who just spoke
[38:20] an architect Michael Nicholas Smith
[38:25] so this project we
[38:29] seeking to support all
[38:31] city of Markham
[38:33] on the project which will consist of 3 major items
[38:38] number one one hundred and sixty long term capex all
[38:43] private
[38:45] the light of the recent endemic infections
[38:49] the assistant affordable senior Caleb
[38:54] the third component will be PSW training school training center
[39:00] all together this will be a continuum of care
[39:06] well we have a short very short redial to
[39:11] ... ... the several cells as to the services we
[39:15] provide to the community
[39:19] I hope this coming on the screen for you right
[39:22] now
[39:25] N. P.
[39:28] the video presentation is about one minute
[39:32] here it is
[39:54] yeah
[40:01] the long term care
[40:03] I saw
[40:04] I don't know what it everyone's got the video because
[40:08] I don't
[40:36] okay everyone the C. D. D. audio part of it
[40:41] did you get the other part because I did not
[40:43] get it
[40:46] although
[40:49] and that's okay I think he may just tells ...
[40:52] what we're doing and
[40:55] was this year's permission I don't want to take more
[40:59] time and replay it suffice to say that we provide
[41:04] services in the food sectors of long term care about
[41:08] who was senior private chair and serving well over a
[41:12] few thousand
[41:14] residents twenty four seven as well as residents people who
[41:19] are coming in during the week
[41:22] all right was there I'm good to go back to
[41:26] ... ... didn't see it all to talk more specifically
[41:30] about the site and the application
[41:34] Mr chip
[41:37] thank you Jim I'm sorry about the technical difficulties in
[41:41] terms of the volume ... so just to put the
[41:45] problem into contacts in terms of the trends for long
[41:49] term care ...
[41:52] the fifty five thousand marchers ... require long term care
[41:55] placement in twenty thirty three to twenty thirty four of
[42:00] that ... the number visible minority seniors in on terror
[42:03] increased by forty four percent between twenty eleven to twenty
[42:07] sixteen that compared to a sixteen percent increase among non
[42:12] visible minorities seniors
[42:14] and what that sixty percent of the twenty LTC homes
[42:19] with the longest median wait times are no specific or
[42:23] religious homes and that includes Marchand's Scarborough and Richmond hill
[42:28] ... to see homes which are ranked number three and
[42:31] number four respectively and that list of top twenty
[42:36] ... and the central local health integrated network of which
[42:40] Markham is a part of it is on track to
[42:42] become the region with the longest LTC wait times ...
[42:47] skiing and Marchand's Richmond hill okay if you centre has
[42:51] the longest wait times in the region so that's just
[42:54] putting a bit of the problem into context
[42:58] when we look from a ... provincial policy perspective ...
[43:02] we know that of the provincial policy statement ... looks
[43:07] for an appropriate range and mix of housing options to
[43:11] meet projected market needs by promoting and facilitating all housing
[43:15] options required to meet social health economic well being requirements
[43:20] for Kurt for current and future residents
[43:23] we also counters action plan twenty twenty ... which Stephen
[43:26] spoke to ... which notes that thirty eight thousand Ontarians
[43:30] are currently waiting to get into long term care homes
[43:34] and some of the objectives of that plan which includes
[43:36] eliminating four bed wards in on tears up you see
[43:40] homes prioritizing new bags that serve cultural needs
[43:45] building thirty thousand new long term care beds over the
[43:48] next ten years the choosing an average rate of daily
[43:51] direct patient care of four hours a day per resident
[43:55] by twenty twenty four twenty twenty five
[43:59] from a regional perspective York region senior strategy thinking had
[44:03] twenty sixteen ... support age friendly and complete communities for
[44:08] older adults can land in the home or community of
[44:11] their choice for as long as they're available advocating to
[44:15] support the need for more long term care beds across
[44:18] the region as well working with local municipalities a few
[44:21] organizations to create access accessible spaces innovative and affordable housing
[44:27] options convenient transportation programs that supports use independence inclusion
[44:33] I'm just looking at the city of Markham itself of
[44:36] the official plan seeks to work in partnership with the
[44:40] region many organizations development industry to develop a strategy for
[44:45] portable and shared housing to coordinate efforts to ensure a
[44:48] diverse range of housing options increasing affordability options of as
[44:53] well as for seniors use whenever and Spencer will person
[44:56] household entering Krista supply and shared housing including housing for
[45:01] persons with special needs I particularly ... figure Markham's older
[45:05] adults strategy which Stephen had mentioned earlier chemist to ensuring
[45:09] that the city's decision making process always considers the components
[45:14] of age friendly cities and recognizes the diverse needs of
[45:17] older adults in Markham and then important point that was
[45:21] noted out of that ... with which even had also
[45:23] mentioned was that between twenty eleven to twenty twenty six
[45:27] older adults are next are expected to grow by hundred
[45:30] twenty three percent in Markham so that's a staggering number
[45:33] and it's a it's a recognition of the importance of
[45:36] being able to find ... housing options for seniors within
[45:41] the city
[45:42] and lastly city marking diversity action plan seeks to leverage
[45:46] the multi cultural and multi lingual character of Markham population
[45:51] to track international partners and new opportunities for economic development
[45:57] so Marchand has found the ideal site um thirty six
[46:02] battle creek Boulevard which is currently occupied by a two
[46:05] story brick building and warehouse tent at the rear
[46:10] the surrounding land uses are for the most part to
[46:13] the west small format commercial retail style uses and to
[46:18] the south ... business employment type uses but the balance
[46:23] predominately to the east and to the north ... is
[46:27] the existing routes river system the existing valley corridor and
[46:30] beyond that ... the existing residential community so it's it's
[46:35] on the edge of employment area it's well served by
[46:39] transit ... that's locally available in the area it's walkable
[46:43] to amenities ... of that many who ... who would
[46:48] be ... could be operating on the site would have
[46:51] access to on a daily basis so we see this
[46:54] location as an ideal set ... to provide for this
[46:58] unique opportunity I'm gonna turn it over to our architect
[47:03] who's going to speak to ... the vision for the
[47:06] state
[47:09] thank you this is Michael Douglas spent sneaky speaking
[47:13] the overall high level concept is to create two buildings
[47:17] two separate buildings with that continue our cares of the
[47:20] sidewalk building and it's ... would contain multi use programming
[47:24] with primarily the life leads units
[47:28] looting the vocational training education facility concise in Chinese language
[47:34] ... to the sound would be be the long term
[47:38] care facility in oxalate one hundred sixty hundred ninety long
[47:43] term care beds thank the corporate in single rooms with
[47:47] private washrooms so there is the site that around includes
[47:50] about a hundred twelve parking spots and one level of
[47:53] underground parking hello this so building primarily due to a
[47:57] common and rest of the needs and these two buildings
[48:01] are really understood
[48:04] to be constructed together read that continuum of care and
[48:07] use that site the variety since that artist and
[48:11] so there it is but instruct to gather as a
[48:13] single ... facility
[48:18] not the drawing at the bottom of the page it
[48:21] is a diagrammatic cat site section showing you the seven
[48:25] story building along up a creek Boulevard to the west
[48:28] the Rouge river ravine system next to it and in
[48:31] the residential development so you can see the building is
[48:34] all the way from that region system and well distance
[48:38] hello the yeah and replying to the residential development so
[48:43] it yeah hi has little to no impact on the
[48:45] surrounding areas and and sent back not residential area
[48:55] so thanks a lot Michael out ... I'm just going
[48:57] to wrap up the presentation so ... as
[49:02] part of the Ms auto that that stuff is included
[49:04] in the package ... the request is not seeking to
[49:08] change the designation is not seeking to actually change the
[49:11] zoning in itself it simply seeking to add institutional uses
[49:16] as additional permitted uses within the systems on today ...
[49:20] it's amending the lot coverage to provide for the increased
[49:22] density as shown in the proposed will support area ...
[49:27] and it's technically not adding any residential units at that
[49:31] it's actually adding institutional units in the form of long
[49:35] term care and retirement or assisted living units ... as
[49:40] Michael mentioned hundreds all service parking spaces and and the
[49:43] one level underground parking which we see across one hundred
[49:46] spaces fitting within
[49:48] ... all of that we believe this is the zoning
[49:51] will put in place the necessary framework that allow for
[49:55] the future site plan application to help us implement this
[49:59] vision as we work with staff in that process
[50:02] overall the request is to permit for the introduction of
[50:05] the institutional uses and the request is necessary to assist
[50:09] Maanshan with the LTC license application which does require the
[50:13] site to have the right zoning and it's also necessary
[50:17] given as mentioned earlier ... but regions and Ms Addo
[50:23] ... excuse me the region's MCR process ... has come
[50:28] and gone with respect for options for consideration ... so
[50:32] the necessity to be able to consider through and I'm
[50:34] sort of process ... will assist ... to advance this
[50:39] opportunity on this property within the city
[50:42] so last week with council support ... the ends in
[50:46] a will provide an opportunity for Markham seniors to age
[50:48] in place along proved seniors care support ... my high
[50:53] quality PSW training provided options for multi generational interaction increase
[50:58] support for high demand ethno specific seniors living in long
[51:02] term care offering the full spectrum of care for seniors
[51:06] with the diversity of unit types and tenures having flexible
[51:10] program space that can adapt based on the needs and
[51:13] opportunities for youth education services with emphasis on Chinese heritage
[51:18] language
[51:20] and
[51:22] want to thank you for being able to make this
[51:23] presentation ... we reviewed ... staffs so our report and
[51:30] staff recommendation a were supportive of that recommendation I would
[51:34] like to thank staff for their guidance in our request
[51:37] that we've made today and ... we are happy to
[51:40] answer our teams happy I'm sure when questions councillor
[51:45] thank you I do have a list of speakers Deputy
[51:50] Mayor Hamilton then regional cancer a cancer of all their
[51:54] stupidity councillor keys in constantly I have one question is
[52:00] is there any need to enter connect the two buildings
[52:03] either underground or on a second level
[52:09] ... thank you for the question ... I may turn
[52:12] it over to ... architect Michael who may be able
[52:17] to kind of speak to that particular as it relates
[52:19] to underground parking
[52:22] I was sick I was thinking moral as you know
[52:25] like one area has more programming than the other area
[52:29] what's more interconnecting the buildings from our activity standpoint
[52:36] we don't currently anticipate interconnecting them up or the need
[52:40] because they sort of operate as independent facilities what related
[52:43] in terms of that continued continuity of care so currently
[52:47] we're not anticipating connection okay thank you Deputy Mayor Hamilton
[52:52] yes thank you Mr chairman so it good morning to
[52:55] a
[52:56] Sam and Frank and Stephanie and formerly Doris who I've
[53:00] worked with before
[53:02] I'm glad to see you here this morning ... I
[53:05] want to speak in in support of this application ...
[53:09] this Ms that'll but I do have a couple of
[53:12] questions up first of all maybe for Tim if I
[53:15] could ... Mr chairman through you ... I noticed the
[53:19] word ethno specific was mentioned by your your planner there
[53:24] I would just mean that that ... anybody can join
[53:29] in the the building like could I command good my
[53:33] mom come in you know is it open to anybody
[53:36] in in the area or is it specific for a
[53:42] certain group
[53:46] through you Mr chair let me double check if I'm
[53:51] I was on mute he Keren yes I think okay
[53:55] thank you Mr chairman ...
[53:58] Mr Deputy Mayor and they said seeing your game online
[54:04] we have been
[54:06] ... started to serve more more mainstream now particularly in
[54:12] the store real long term care
[54:15] as you may or may not know ... Maanshan two
[54:18] years ago has started a big long term care three
[54:23] hundred twenty basis he stole real
[54:26] that building is almost finish we are
[54:30] less than 6 months from this grand opening
[54:33] it will be the first all this size under the
[54:37] new build in the entire province ... we were lucky
[54:42] because we just plan ahead of time and so it
[54:46] was all this way so that we're able to do
[54:49] not install video is ... that because of the demographics
[54:54] it is clear that last number all mainstream clients will
[54:58] coming
[54:59] and you most of us also role if we got
[55:03] family even look at chair we know that it is
[55:08] key ministries
[55:10] and send us
[55:13] the residents we really do not have control would be
[55:18] sent
[55:19] and she remained of that might come with the diversity
[55:24] of residents I am quite sure that we will be
[55:27] serving more and more mainstream clients
[55:32] Mr chips which
[55:37] thank you very much Tim I appreciate that answer ...
[55:41] I'd like to go over to Stephen low if I
[55:43] could Mr chairman and ask him a few questions
[55:49] Steven are you there your email yeah good morning good
[55:54] morning so last week I I had a number of
[55:57] calls from people that wanted to brand all Ms Santos
[56:03] as bad
[56:05] all Ms adults are bad they told me we should
[56:08] get rid of them
[56:10] and I said no all not all and zeros are
[56:13] back
[56:14] we have to look at them on a case by
[56:16] case basis they have a useful purpose sometimes
[56:21] so this one that we're looking at right now
[56:25] ... there's not gonna be any consultation with neighbors whether
[56:30] those neighbors being the residential neighbors in the area or
[56:35] the business neighbours or the commercial neighbors in the area
[56:39] am I correct on that
[56:42] through you Mr chair to the Deputy Mayor ... the
[56:45] planning process at this point ... should council our supporters
[56:50] Ms that ... and should the minister ... grant bands
[56:54] at all ... we're not warranted a public consultation in
[56:57] that respect ... it will be referred to a site
[57:00] plan approval application ... however ... ... nothing is precluding
[57:07] community information meetings to occur ... where ... the long
[57:11] where Maanshan can engage with the surrounding office surrounding land
[57:14] uses and and owners ... at that point but that
[57:18] would have to be a call from from committee and
[57:20] and members of council and that would have to be
[57:22] done before
[57:25] we as a council approved
[57:29] the Ms at all going forward
[57:32] do you to Mr Jerry to deafening they're not necessarily
[57:35] at this point ... as always you're worth mentioning at
[57:39] this point it's a it's a request for comments from
[57:42] the minister on the and settle on to stab wish
[57:45] to development standards ... at that point but the site
[57:48] plan approval process we can fine tune ... ... the
[57:52] the developments in accordance with those development standards
[57:56] but realistically speaking Steven isn't it true that if the
[58:00] local council approves that that it's pretty much a done
[58:03] deal
[58:05] he is Mr Jerry yes it is yes so would
[58:08] be kind of pointless the whole the community information meeting
[58:12] after we approved it as a local council
[58:17] for you to Mr chair
[58:20] technically yes it would be but ... with community engagements
[58:25] and with the introduction of this use and fine tuning
[58:28] the that the concept itself ... I think it could
[58:31] be beneficial to engage with the local with local community
[58:35] so you're talking more about sort of when you get
[58:37] a site plan that's correct okay
[58:41] the
[58:43] just so we have a comparison
[58:46] I mean and again I repeat I'm supporting this application
[58:49] no question in my mind there was never a question
[58:52] in my mind
[58:54] about that but I'd like to know why
[58:59] 11 shown
[59:02] hasn't gone through the formal process is there any other
[59:05] reason besides what was illustrated today by the planner and
[59:09] by yourself that the opportunity for for doing this as
[59:14] passed us by
[59:16] from a regional standpoint
[59:20] through you Mr chair can I get some a representative
[59:23] from Maanshan to respond to that one
[59:26] Mr chairman before that happened maybe I can take a
[59:28] bit of a stab at it it's Arvin Prasad commissioner
[59:31] Drummond services one of the issues here with among Sharman
[59:35] application Mr chairman is that it is located within employment
[59:39] area
[59:40] the planning act growth plan requires that an employment area
[59:45] stays employment unless it's converted through ... do I reached
[59:50] all municipal comprehensive review
[59:54] municipal comprehensive reviews are done every five to ten years
[59:58] so don't they're currently doing MCR right now dad the
[1:00:03] ship has sailed on that one so it's a long
[1:00:06] delay
[1:00:07] so that's one of the regional perspectives we need to
[1:00:10] think about in terms of the planning controls that might
[1:00:16] impact solid long chunk could come in tomorrow and apply
[1:00:20] for employment conversion here is a regional just say to
[1:00:23] them will consider it to our next MCR process
[1:00:28] and that next steps are process may be a very
[1:00:31] long time away
[1:00:33] thank you Mr chair thank you very much commissioner for
[1:00:37] that explanation I'm just trying to set up for for
[1:00:40] the people who who said to me that all and
[1:00:43] settles are back just trying to illustrate for them Y.
[1:00:46] Maanshan has done what it's done and while I'm supporting
[1:00:51] that process ...
[1:00:57] so I think all believe it at that the only
[1:01:00] other concern I have Mister chairman yeah M. and I
[1:01:04] hope we can address it and it came up a
[1:01:07] while ago and it wasn't through them said all but
[1:01:10] it was through an application by a church and I'm
[1:01:13] sure members of
[1:01:15] any that have been around for awhile will remember it
[1:01:17] it was close to a cement plants
[1:01:20] and the church was obligated to put in extra so
[1:01:26] roofing in the in their unit that they were in
[1:01:29] the church or wanted to use as a church and
[1:01:33] also for other noise abatement they had to to put
[1:01:37] in place ...
[1:01:39] actual windows that type of thing so I'm just I'm
[1:01:43] just throwing caution to the wind that ... we want
[1:01:47] strong
[1:01:49] should probably do the same thing
[1:01:52] to protect our peace and tranquility on this site
[1:01:57] so that if any of the other surrounding neighbors decided
[1:02:01] to do at some other kind of use change the
[1:02:05] current use so it was noise here that it would
[1:02:09] not disrupt one shell in the long term and that's
[1:02:13] where I'm thinking long term because this is a of
[1:02:16] a longer term ... enterprise
[1:02:19] so again I am saying thank you Tim ... thank
[1:02:23] you Frank thank you Stephanie for bringing this forward and
[1:02:27] also for Doris ... I recall remember very fondly I
[1:02:32] think it's a great use I think it's in the
[1:02:34] in a good place and I'm going to support a
[1:02:38] hundred percent thank you very much Mr chairman
[1:02:42] the recommendations are going to be moved by their stability
[1:02:45] and seconded by councillor bowl next is regional
[1:02:50] councillor Keith
[1:02:53] thank you Mr chair and ... ... this is a
[1:02:56] quite a an interesting and good application ... and ...
[1:03:01] I'm glad there was a slide there or true presented
[1:03:05] Mister chair about the need for more long term care
[1:03:08] and the pressing need in the future ... as the
[1:03:11] numbers grow ... ... in York region and across of
[1:03:16] course and I I see the government has laid aside
[1:03:19] or set aside um closing in on two billion dollars
[1:03:23] ... if I read it correctly thirty thousand ... ...
[1:03:28] have been injured chatter ... extra beds and trying to
[1:03:32] get away I can see weasel are ... words trying
[1:03:35] to get away from ... from the four beds per
[1:03:39] room ... and they didn't say trying to get away
[1:03:41] from any more than one bed room which means a
[1:03:45] ... it's still too bad future might be tolerated I'm
[1:03:49] sure that we get to that later I am ...
[1:03:52] wanted to ask a few questions ... because ... and
[1:03:55] I'll get to which how long do we have to
[1:03:57] respond to the ministry's letter ... Stephen
[1:04:04] it's attached to it and ... that there's so much
[1:04:06] paper here I can quickly get to it but it's
[1:04:09] there somewhere
[1:04:11] I think you to Mr Mr to regional council he
[1:04:14] ... my understanding is it's it's it's a bit time
[1:04:16] sensitive here ... from from what was explained to staff
[1:04:21] is that there's been a purchase to the to a
[1:04:23] purchase not to put there's an offer to purchase the
[1:04:27] property at thirty six ... apple creek ... and that
[1:04:31] due diligence is is ending end of the month in
[1:04:35] order for Maanshan to make and to render a decision
[1:04:38] ... so so the minister would have to render decisions
[1:04:41] around that time so it is a bit time sensitive
[1:04:44] yes
[1:04:45] ... is this a because I believe very strongly that
[1:04:49] to that too no Ms at all whether it's one
[1:04:53] is favorable of what Tim is making this morning and
[1:04:56] I've known him for quite awhile and the anti Maanshan
[1:05:00] I guess I've known
[1:05:02] for thirty or forty years ... I hate to say
[1:05:05] it
[1:05:06] is that long ... and ... they have done good
[1:05:10] work over that those many years ... ... but I
[1:05:14] found out about this last night are you yesterday afternoon
[1:05:17] I guess ... we have letters from ... seventy five
[1:05:21] people I'd be willing to bet the dates ... ...
[1:05:24] creek ... are in advance of the revised agenda which
[1:05:29] this is wrong so where do we have to follow
[1:05:32] the question is and I will present a motion that
[1:05:35] we have before we ... we answer this question that
[1:05:38] we have a community information meeting ... ... do we
[1:05:43] is there any time frame ... that ... ... we
[1:05:46] need to follow in this instance or community information meeting
[1:05:50] so we can hear from the public
[1:05:57] through you Mr chair ... sorry the condo ... it
[1:06:00] was a question about our community permission meeting and and
[1:06:03] holding it now yes it is there any time frame
[1:06:07] required under the planning act ... for us to to
[1:06:10] hold one know that we have to give notice ...
[1:06:13] three weeks in advance or something like that or can
[1:06:16] we hold a ... a a public information meeting next
[1:06:19] ... Tuesday a week from tomorrow
[1:06:22] okay through you Mr shared out to council region concert
[1:06:24] he no there is no ... planning regulations without woods
[1:06:28] ... are still doing that ... how it next question
[1:06:33] is to the people who live on the east of
[1:06:36] this proposal in the residential community ... have they been
[1:06:40] notified that this proposals coming through
[1:06:45] through you to me ... Mister chair to regional council
[1:06:47] he's now is my understanding do the of businesses in
[1:06:51] the ... ... the plaza to the west and the
[1:06:55] businesses in the are to the south ... have they've
[1:07:00] been notified of this proposal
[1:07:05] no
[1:07:06] ... ... is there now I've got a few other
[1:07:09] questions when did staff find out about this
[1:07:18] when when when was staff notified that there's something coming
[1:07:21] okay thank god
[1:07:24] what
[1:07:26] my internet unstable I apologize
[1:07:29] question when did stuff
[1:07:31] our were where this yes okay through you Mr church
[1:07:35] to reserve house or he ... Maanshan approached staff end
[1:07:40] of October of last year identify their interest in this
[1:07:45] parcel of land ... after consultation with staff staff or
[1:07:49] by that's what was reported in the report staff advised
[1:07:54] that if they deem the employment land conversion and that
[1:07:56] the deadline for the regional MCR
[1:08:00] past ... it wasn't until I would say mid January
[1:08:04] that word got around that much John was um a
[1:08:08] plan for an exam and general and it wasn't until
[1:08:11] last she was the that received a formal communication from
[1:08:14] the minister of their request on this and that a
[1:08:17] request for comments
[1:08:22] this is
[1:08:23] are there others
[1:08:25] are there others to staff know of other in general
[1:08:28] statement of that are that are coming for we up
[1:08:31] to today other others coming to my knowledge with the
[1:08:35] Social Planning districts I don't have anything else central planning
[1:08:39] district there are four planning districts are not yet
[1:08:44] my knowledge
[1:08:46] what
[1:08:48] I understand I don't know I don't built as a
[1:08:50] great ... and so ... one trong does not have
[1:08:54] the land does not own the land present so our
[1:08:58] our quick action ... ... ... somehow by before the
[1:09:03] end of the month is required from on strong ...
[1:09:06] ... ... ... say yes or no war on the
[1:09:09] purchase of the land if they can't get the image
[1:09:12] that all from approval by Markham and then approval by
[1:09:15] the Ministry before let us say what is this and
[1:09:19] I'm looking at the calendar coverage twenty eight I'm trying
[1:09:21] to members leave here ... February twenty eighth well then
[1:09:25] ... ... they will not they won't purchase the land
[1:09:29] that's the situation we're in
[1:09:31] correct that is my understanding and ... should I ask
[1:09:34] your ... ... Tim ... is their inability to extend
[1:09:39] that
[1:09:41] I don't I'll tell you I'm a huge fan of
[1:09:44] the Maanshan but I do not like the feeling of
[1:09:47] being rush I do not like the feeling of non
[1:09:49] consulting with the the bit a community around the residential
[1:09:53] and the employment community that is so anti what we
[1:09:57] do in Markham so I'm wondering whether or not there's
[1:10:00] an opportunity and worst him my he's there somewhere ...
[1:10:04] ... whether or not we can get another month in
[1:10:06] this process
[1:10:11] 
[1:10:13] Mr regional councillor through
[1:10:16] as the chair
[1:10:17] we actually had enter into agreement to purchase a slam
[1:10:22] approximately six months ago
[1:10:25] and there was a time that we discussed what might
[1:10:28] come about the process of making the application
[1:10:35] they were advised that we will not be able to
[1:10:39] do the first step through the region because the timing
[1:10:43] is not right it would takes quite some time years
[1:10:47] before the review ... the change of use
[1:10:51] ... so that we had to ... look at any
[1:10:56] and all options and the only option wasn't available to
[1:11:00] us was and said ...
[1:11:04] in order to do that we actually went back to
[1:11:07] the owner and ask for an extension we wanted a
[1:11:13] little bit more time but the owner was quite clear
[1:11:17] that they do not want to give us more time
[1:11:20] and D. rage when right now with the extension it
[1:11:25] would have expired in December thirty first twenty twenty now
[1:11:31] we have to do an extension until the end of
[1:11:35] separate
[1:11:36] I do not know what the date will be amenable
[1:11:39] to give us a little bit more time ... I
[1:11:43] don't get because last time it took us quite a
[1:11:46] bit of a happen so the law is to to
[1:11:49] get that option
[1:11:51] ... however if ... we must go back and add
[1:11:56] because we're running out of time because the ministry will
[1:12:00] take longer all it might come want to do ...
[1:12:04] mall consultation then we just have to
[1:12:08] see if we can find a way to to make
[1:12:10] that happen
[1:12:12] ... of addition is also because we're not land developers
[1:12:16] we only look at land as ... will only be
[1:12:21] more of a leading to a lot of proofs for
[1:12:23] all uses ... we've never purchased a piece of land
[1:12:28] that may get a certain zoning arose will be end
[1:12:33] up with land banking which is not the objective all
[1:12:38] the vocation
[1:12:39] so ... we're working as hard as we can we
[1:12:42] hope this will go through ... and ... I just
[1:12:46] leave it that I've been just stating our situation as
[1:12:50] clearly as I can I hope
[1:12:54] and that's one good thing that I've always appreciated but
[1:12:57] ... Jim Kwan who I've dealt with as I said
[1:13:00] many times it's he makes it clear he makes honest
[1:13:03] is quite forthright and ... and that does such a
[1:13:07] good job representing on strong and select thank you for
[1:13:09] that ... ... D. what is done unfortunately ... I'll
[1:13:14] go back to Steven is that ... the deadline ...
[1:13:18] is three weeks from ... ... yesterday ... maybe staff
[1:13:25] knew about this ... and who knows whether or not
[1:13:29] the local councillor knew about this but I found out
[1:13:32] about it three weeks from the deadline to do it
[1:13:35] now and ... ... I have never ... we thought
[1:13:40] that we should proceed without public consultation we are not
[1:13:43] the owners of the ... of the planning opportunities to
[1:13:47] the planning system in in ... Markham the residents are
[1:13:51] and the businesses that the work here so I mean
[1:13:55] that's my problem ... and that's why I think that
[1:13:58] we should be and I certainly will move ... ...
[1:14:01] that we have a community information meeting in one week
[1:14:05] ... maybe potentially one week tomorrow ... and that we
[1:14:09] have a council meeting immediately afterwards to decide whether we
[1:14:12] want to do it ... but ... and that maybe
[1:14:15] that we deferred this or send this to were and
[1:14:18] the next council meeting up tomorrow ... and ... in
[1:14:22] the meantime request staff to have the ... a community
[1:14:26] information meetings ... idea and weight at some point in
[1:14:30] time we'll talk about the site plan ... because there
[1:14:33] are some issues that relate to the environment the Roach
[1:14:35] Rusia valley there ... and I noticed that the ...
[1:14:39] the land has some very small amounts that are beyond
[1:14:44] the top of bank and that potentially may be dedicated
[1:14:48] or should be dedicated maybe Steven can tell me who
[1:14:51] is the landowner of the valley
[1:14:53] the land right to the west right to the story
[1:14:57] through you Mr direct regional council he's that steer try
[1:14:59] to region conservation authority ... are you sure it's ...
[1:15:04] ... all all of T. R. C. A. land except
[1:15:08] for one small I guess they could own it but
[1:15:10] we manage it where one small area in the northeast
[1:15:14] all that land is managed by the city of Markham
[1:15:17] ... and I was ... I thought that was city
[1:15:21] mark next to it
[1:15:23] if you look into it regional council he okay councillor
[1:15:26] Geetha Frank Joe and Stephanie Wong would want to speak
[1:15:31] I guess and I am finish that Mr Jeremy please
[1:15:34] that but at some point in time if you would
[1:15:36] come back to me I would like to the and
[1:15:38] a motion or a an amendment which calls for a
[1:15:42] public information meeting ... within a week and a council
[1:15:45] meeting to deal with the matter immediately afterwards thank you
[1:15:49] who wants to go first Frankford Stephanie
[1:15:53] the French are here to handle and just ... two
[1:15:57] teams of a comment ... the reason for this a
[1:16:01] bit of a Russian we apologize for not have IT
[1:16:04] consulting maybe body is the need to very urgent need
[1:16:09] all LTC bets against it but damn it ... give
[1:16:15] us those who H. and we are the operator off
[1:16:19] ... the long term care beds and we feel the
[1:16:21] pressure and do we actually build install real into year
[1:16:26] two or not yet that doesn't top years of three
[1:16:29] hundred twenty batch and we could do that and we
[1:16:32] want to do it in Moscow because bottom site as
[1:16:35] the world's longest we do this ... in the area
[1:16:39] for us and do we really want to do it
[1:16:41] and this is a excellent site where it was right
[1:16:45] in the middle of the community at the it always
[1:16:48] suitable for everybody and certainly
[1:16:51] crudest program may also open up the
[1:16:56] you urgent request off
[1:17:02] mold
[1:17:03] PSW and we are planning a training center Ryan does
[1:17:09] compacts
[1:17:10] so that it would be like a teaching hospital it
[1:17:14] just just teaching ... LDCs sorry and then the practicum
[1:17:19] we'll be right at the back of the of the
[1:17:21] OCC building
[1:17:23] this is the ideal situation for us and this is
[1:17:26] why I don't put in the video that we have
[1:17:30] us was it all a set team saying we R.
[1:17:33] charity we cannot spend money I had with the ...
[1:17:36] doing anything so we want to be sure that we
[1:17:39] have all of the zoning and then at the same
[1:17:42] time the Ministry want us to have the right song
[1:17:46] and before the issue the license so this is sort
[1:17:50] of a but
[1:17:52] urgent appeal and I understand that and also ... the
[1:17:55] processes that that respect everything that that they would contact
[1:17:59] us and we actually we went to the city consultants
[1:18:04] ... do we kneel down and that it would take
[1:18:06] years to that and present our opportunity we don't want
[1:18:10] the groups at the that's why we ask you ...
[1:18:14] ... to support us what is the ... seals or
[1:18:16] would be quickly what I can promise if you are
[1:18:21] give us is only a December zero we could do
[1:18:24] this very quickly yeah and build on our long term
[1:18:28] care and training facility right there with you what I
[1:18:31] mean so I think this would be beneficial for the
[1:18:34] whole community at all where it was sent and we
[1:18:37] have to track record of doing this if she is
[1:18:42] not just a but just talking and we have the
[1:18:45] resources we are people we have team as of
[1:18:49] are we to a builder and the ... we will
[1:18:53] be able to do that this is the moving on
[1:18:56] things that we would like to council I guess you
[1:18:59] because a lot of members have come to the Markham
[1:19:03] ... ... that we have and also Scotland so what
[1:19:06] I need to see what we have thought this is
[1:19:09] a hard cross a type of thing and then if
[1:19:12] you have a chance we will bring you to do
[1:19:14] so we have to look at what we have done
[1:19:18] D. rules that we designed it out his used oleo
[1:19:22] is single room I just saw important about it now
[1:19:26] they decide in their P. C. of because the old
[1:19:30] the delegations for that group well done to to better
[1:19:34] route now we have single room and so this is
[1:19:38] something that we want to implement the bottom for the
[1:19:41] community that's what she thank you Stephanie
[1:19:47] thank you Mr chair and good morning everyone ... Frank
[1:19:51] has almost a talk about what kind of phone ...
[1:19:55] wanna mention ends on not to repeat itself or what
[1:19:59] team and offering said but I would like to echo
[1:20:02] the importance for us to getting the right spelling out
[1:20:06] to expedite our application of the long term care licenses
[1:20:10] that behalf of fighting with the Ministry of long term
[1:20:14] care and they are actually reviewing our application
[1:20:19] we are very determined to build a long term care
[1:20:22] a new long term care center in Markham and I'll
[1:20:26] wait list as mentioned now presentation about it move ranks
[1:20:30] number one in terms of the wait list so people
[1:20:33] have to wait to like many many years to get
[1:20:36] into a long term care
[1:20:38] and that is why it is urgent for us to
[1:20:41] to get the right zoning to get the lands which
[1:20:44] I think everybody knows not easy to get land in
[1:20:47] Markham well with the price that we can afford actually
[1:20:51] it will be a substantial investment on the part of
[1:20:53] mahjong we are not a real estate developer we would
[1:20:57] not find land just to for the purpose of land
[1:21:00] banking and for future development so we have to get
[1:21:03] the right news before we can make a decision to
[1:21:07] purchase that land the owner off thirty six apple creek
[1:21:11] actually it's been very combine to extend for months and
[1:21:14] that is right before Christmas that we've been working very
[1:21:18] hard with them to get the extension and they've indicated
[1:21:22] already it's very hard for them to so the extent
[1:21:26] so we know that is only three weeks from that
[1:21:28] that line and we very much wanted to know what
[1:21:31] the we can actually proceed with the acquisition
[1:21:35] besides working with the ministry of health on our application
[1:21:39] we are also looking at other opportunities to acquire licenses
[1:21:44] from the LTZ operators for whoever is the one to
[1:21:49] operate in the future because we see the needs of
[1:21:53] the LTC licenses for the community and in particular for
[1:21:57] the city of Markham because as mentioned the population the
[1:22:01] senior population is rising not in proportion of the availability
[1:22:07] of the long term care beds which is actually in
[1:22:10] very dire need so we hope that the council would
[1:22:15] support us ... and then we could move this as
[1:22:19] quickly as we can and I would like to have
[1:22:21] this opportunity to thank the staff team actually have several
[1:22:25] meetings of the mention to us what the requirements are
[1:22:29] and now what usually the owner or the ... are
[1:22:34] the operator has to go through which we have already
[1:22:37] promised that we will comply with the requirements man comes
[1:22:41] to the site plan stage
[1:22:44] thank you Mr chair
[1:23:03] councillor whole
[1:23:04] yeah thank you Mr chair well ... I would appreciate
[1:23:09] you know ... ... public consultation meetings before you know
[1:23:14] ... and you decision however I also understand that it's
[1:23:18] not you know ...
[1:23:21] you showcase you know fall most of you know the
[1:23:25] provincial ... regulations so that case you know I would
[1:23:30] not Graydon the applicant no I was stopped or not
[1:23:34] you know heavy and the public meetings and not everybody
[1:23:39] knows that you know opportunities you know running short of
[1:23:43] time because you know they they need you know I'll
[1:23:46] be in lights in order to close seat so in
[1:23:50] that case you know I of course you know ...
[1:23:53] really ... you know some of you know at this
[1:23:56] project and
[1:23:58] everybody knows that you know in the past I very
[1:24:01] much you know objectives ... to land conversion however this
[1:24:05] time is not a LED conversion from the employment land
[1:24:08] to residential is we are always expanding the jewels to
[1:24:13] mixed use including ... institutional ... purpose as well as
[1:24:19] you know at providing services to long term care see
[1:24:22] India ... home that kind of thing so I I
[1:24:27] think ... we should not have been the big problem
[1:24:31] ... talk about you know ... Mahneshan ... as you
[1:24:35] know and everybody knows that my should you know it
[1:24:38] used a name up to you though ... I committee
[1:24:41] leader three thousand years ago providing not only for three
[1:24:45] at lunch but free meals to more than three thousand
[1:24:49] people at that time so I appreciate that you know
[1:24:53] ... that this my son has been doing a great
[1:24:55] job over the years of providing services to senior community
[1:25:01] long term care committee as well as you know the
[1:25:04] young people so this is you know where good of
[1:25:09] them and I also remember that when could you listed
[1:25:12] bent you know visit to you know Canada my show
[1:25:15] was the only chart the charitable organizer you should she
[1:25:19] wish to take so you can see you know a
[1:25:23] how good they are because to note that nonprofit organizations
[1:25:27] and they also you know go white services tool ...
[1:25:32] committee in
[1:25:35] I am not the way this is long and now
[1:25:39] it is time um well finally you know find a
[1:25:44] good location he might walk you but to get a
[1:25:47] lot that's very good
[1:25:50] so all right well ... all right I thank you
[1:25:54] know all the previous us because you know supporting on
[1:25:57] this project and I'm more than happy to second you
[1:26:02] know the motion moved by
[1:26:04] thank you
[1:26:06] okay next is a master duty after that it's transfer
[1:26:11] keys Guelph Line rate and ... Smith
[1:26:18] thank you very much share and not responsive thank you
[1:26:23] to Maanshan ground floor being as
[1:26:28] man man diligent to try and stop motion along here
[1:26:32] facility are in the city Marquard and not particularly here
[1:26:38] not but certainly for York region as well I think
[1:26:42] you're going to go over ... did need not for
[1:26:45] long term care facilities nothing was lost the Canadian minor
[1:26:50] violence and by him and the numbers nine and certainly
[1:26:54] not that the crisis that we're chasing our with not
[1:26:57] only long term care not responsible ... housing in a
[1:27:02] range of constant nah nah nah I I guess
[1:27:07] I would say that in some respects it's too bad
[1:27:11] ... fine our our you know our songs and in
[1:27:14] this position ... generally ... but I think it's determined
[1:27:19] something I've been speaking to the process
[1:27:22] for several months now ... you know I I would
[1:27:25] say that in our planning process now it's probably broken
[1:27:32] Robinson Ontario are there needs to be changes made to
[1:27:37] the process that aren't certainly allows were modestly local decision
[1:27:44] making local inbox but the process is just economy hearing
[1:27:48] early to number some and and and way too long
[1:27:53] to allow ... projects like this is not absolute near
[1:27:57] in our community
[1:28:00] seated in a timely fashion so you know I think
[1:28:04] it's indicative of
[1:28:06] I know how may some may not agree to resistance
[1:28:09] broke
[1:28:11] certainly needs a hell of a lot of retention in
[1:28:13] my opinion so when you take a look at the
[1:28:16] fact
[1:28:17] members of council members birds status will be
[1:28:22] it is where we stand our to accommodate future growth
[1:28:26] within our community I mean it's been over ten years
[1:28:31] not that those areas have been under our review of
[1:28:35] non wage and hasn't been wanna hold built in those
[1:28:39] areas one home where a young family are managed to
[1:28:44] or a senior would move into our seniors
[1:28:49] and that's just too long I think it speaks to
[1:28:52] the crisis that we have I'm gonna miss you shorter
[1:28:56] than this I don't wanna highlighted anything yeah you know
[1:29:00] you're not a professional planning purposes Sam continue to advocate
[1:29:05] the province of Ontario not to make the changes that
[1:29:08] that are needed for us to have greater flexibility not
[1:29:13] seeking an honorable contracts certainly not being able to get
[1:29:18] things not because not the process stand in the way
[1:29:22] of getting things not
[1:29:24] during the motion he shows one in three years just
[1:29:28] asking us not to comment on the existing zoning so
[1:29:33] what would be the full range of uses the the
[1:29:37] existing zoning
[1:29:43] even
[1:29:45] thanks Mr through you into two Mayor start pretty ...
[1:29:50] the the zoning right now on the lands are what
[1:29:53] we call M. C. forty under ... under zoning bylaw
[1:29:57] one six five PD
[1:29:59] about zone category permits a range of industrial uses as
[1:30:04] well as commercial uses including banks and financial institutions business
[1:30:10] offices
[1:30:12] social schools hotels and motels and that's specifically what it
[1:30:17] says in the zoning right now
[1:30:20] someone that speaks to select industrial warehouse building here and
[1:30:26] then operating under the
[1:30:28] Zacks
[1:30:30] through you Mr Shettar the property correct that is correct
[1:30:36] you know it's it's
[1:30:40] I perfectly understand all of the previous comments ... and
[1:30:45] and and and all in the spirit of which they
[1:30:48] work worked Saturday I don't disagree with that
[1:30:52] not being sent to moral ... because zoning is in
[1:30:56] place not a warehouse ... would be allowed to use
[1:31:03] the site and not and not everybody you see things
[1:31:09] from a different perspective that certainly
[1:31:12] not a lot of more impacts you one of the
[1:31:15] existing community these are our hands obviously they wouldn't need
[1:31:22] not rezoning amendment to facilitate that thank you bye property
[1:31:27] remain with the site plan and the and the operations
[1:31:30] there so while I understand this
[1:31:33] I think that's been sent I also say there your
[1:31:36] grand we want these things
[1:31:40] welcome back to be more detrimental to the surrounding area
[1:31:45] and Mister chairman reason that I'm I'm not leaving the
[1:31:49] motion not to provide comments by the way I think
[1:31:53] in the motion we should actually well appreciated optional square
[1:31:58] now really I like the fact that the manager clauses
[1:32:02] the City marker ... ... is
[1:32:07] ask our students he site plan approval I think this
[1:32:11] is not an important aspect of marketing a public process
[1:32:16] which can certainly deal with issues within the context of
[1:32:20] the site plan application I think it should be something
[1:32:24] that that's highlighted because not you know we take great
[1:32:27] pride have to sign it urban form here in the
[1:32:31] city of Markham and that's very much a part of
[1:32:34] the site plan application the other part of that speaks
[1:32:38] a little bit too some of the issues that ranks
[1:32:42] ... if it's not actually in the main resolution are
[1:32:46] like look man one of the conditions are and you
[1:32:51] know not be X. also include the normal units on
[1:32:57] the east side of the front portion of the building
[1:33:04] on our free no units stocks onto that site fees
[1:33:09] these are so high and I'm assuming you tonight maybe
[1:33:14] the wrong assumption when I see the lay out of
[1:33:16] these don't last I assume that we don't we units
[1:33:20] with your answers your marks now monitor would be court
[1:33:24] orders ... down there obviously in order to be windows
[1:33:30] on the east side now that allow natural light into
[1:33:33] those corridors that actually units on that the small most
[1:33:37] easterly wall not
[1:33:39] on to the eastern
[1:33:42] are working on that and not to the east so
[1:33:46] back could be it also included in that the rear
[1:33:50] portion is fine because it's further away from the residents
[1:33:54] and then even with the ... with the green space
[1:33:57] there which is not a wonderful buffer ... I think
[1:34:02] we should incorporate not dish so we're not procedural will
[1:34:06] move on the recommendation I cannot out of lost my
[1:34:11] leading that the city of Markham is requesting site plan
[1:34:16] we will not be retained by the city of Markham
[1:34:20] and then we had and the ... the appendixes runner
[1:34:23] condition all units are which means you strictly not necessarily
[1:34:29] are on the front wait while the building that is
[1:34:35] not on that front
[1:34:37] we noticed you are I think this is an IBM
[1:34:41] site ... I think we're fortunate in that there is
[1:34:45] a popular we need to see unity that allows not
[1:34:50] only distance greenery between the existing community and that's not
[1:34:54] in this project and is an ideal ... again everyone
[1:34:59] comes at this from different perspectives when is this moral
[1:35:03] warehouse to go in there and it's not it would
[1:35:06] be shocking activity not trucks not running that Solana early
[1:35:12] morning or late night now I think someone that is
[1:35:16] not being ideal I
[1:35:18] and I think it's really nice the prices very very
[1:35:22] dignity in our community here her mark and taking early
[1:35:27] in York region right now I want to say thank
[1:35:29] you shop for sticking with it and and working through
[1:35:33] a process that you know it's not easy to find
[1:35:36] sites number one and number two you are through whatever
[1:35:42] process is that when I say that the planning process
[1:35:45] is broken it's broken for everyone because organizations like this
[1:35:49] moment your word and we get it you know a
[1:35:51] lot of time trying to do these things for the
[1:35:54] better part of our community and I think it's an
[1:35:57] ideal site marker to the east the residential community and
[1:36:02] to the west Palm are we can ... you know
[1:36:07] it's all intensive purposes you cannot plaza and it's not
[1:36:13] some rock climbing not facility so I don't think there's
[1:36:18] going to be certain to the west to the south
[1:36:24] this is not it is close not only some of
[1:36:26] our retail but even the park in a little bit
[1:36:30] should you stop on that three there's definitely an opportunity
[1:36:34] here with these residents to be enjoying some of the
[1:36:38] amenities that are already in the future and I believe
[1:36:42] that seconded by council
[1:36:46] next year
[1:36:48] thank you next is our trusted keys but Mr Mayor
[1:36:52] on your
[1:36:53] when the situation it's seventy five meters and three hundred
[1:36:57] meters it's a for a lot of ways away from
[1:37:00] the residential
[1:37:04] it
[1:37:10] we just get a clarification the distance of the valley
[1:37:15] yes the mayor wants to speak again ons
[1:37:26] I just need to be absolutely clear maybe Steven or
[1:37:31] someone who just what are the site plan I don't
[1:37:35] disagree there is distance I'm just not saying it can't
[1:37:39] be any windows I think we should be when the
[1:37:41] bills so it's not building number one
[1:37:44] east wall of the front portion right there that ...
[1:37:50] again I am not opposed to windows that would let
[1:37:53] natural light into corridors and things like that it's just
[1:37:56] units fronting looking east with Lake are interconnected it was
[1:38:01] not all lower rise building I might not necessarily have
[1:38:04] an issue with that we just because we are you
[1:38:07] know sort of the mid rise here that's really why
[1:38:10] I'm making that condition I would be the only portion
[1:38:13] is to share on pocket I'm okay with windows it's
[1:38:16] just units looking out he's easterly are from that section
[1:38:23] the other party in the pocket don't have a problem
[1:38:26] with it now because those units as soon where would
[1:38:29] he be contributor artists not winning Park Steven a building
[1:38:34] one
[1:38:36] make there yeah the ... yeah right there are we
[1:38:41] don't have a problem with units frankly not to that
[1:38:44] area yeah there's not distance and I'm not making the
[1:38:47] same requirements building to Mister chair is building number two
[1:38:51] was a long term care facility and then we looked
[1:38:55] at our
[1:38:58] councillor keys
[1:39:01] thank you Mr chair ... I just want to share
[1:39:03] it I guess some by personal experience here with long
[1:39:06] term care and and ... give some perspective I guess
[1:39:09] not all of us have had to deal with it
[1:39:11] but it was probably ... I guess about five years
[1:39:13] ago where my yeah I guess my ninety two year
[1:39:16] old father found that he was no longer able to
[1:39:19] ... support himself in his in his apartment and we
[1:39:23] found ourselves having for the first time actually having to
[1:39:26] I guess get an education and in the in the
[1:39:28] situation in terms of
[1:39:31] for our seniors and ... it was quite an education
[1:39:34] ... ... I discovered very quickly first of all to
[1:39:38] get into anything in Markham was a seven year wait
[1:39:42] time which ... at ninety two ... that seemed ...
[1:39:46] ... certainly ... onerous the other was the was actually
[1:39:50] the costs and so the so the wait time obviously
[1:39:52] relates to the supply
[1:39:54] ... but the other thing that I I discovered was
[1:39:57] that Markham is is in is in terms of ...
[1:40:01] the ratio of of long term care and senior beds
[1:40:04] for
[1:40:05] well as for seniors in the region is one of
[1:40:07] the lowest so there's a there really isn't a short
[1:40:11] supply ... that's my ... perhaps long winded way of
[1:40:15] saying that I'm I'm certainly in support of of any
[1:40:18] any increase in the supply whether it's private whether it's
[1:40:20] a non profit I believe that increasing the supply is
[1:40:23] critical we have to do it
[1:40:26] ... so I certainly support this project and I would
[1:40:29] echo what ... of the mayor said earlier about the
[1:40:32] planning process one of the reasons we're seeing the shortages
[1:40:35] one of the reasons were saying the high costs it's
[1:40:38] not just a matter of of shortages but when you
[1:40:40] can't find a place
[1:40:42] ... because of such a short supply of the prices
[1:40:45] are are are quite X. extravagant as well so I
[1:40:48] think we really have to do all we can to
[1:40:50] us to move projects like this forward ... and ...
[1:40:56] and certainly I welcome it so I'm I'm in support
[1:40:58] of that all the best that thank you
[1:41:00] councillor I see Lee
[1:41:03] thank you Mr characterful I again thank you so much
[1:41:06] for bringing this presentation up and I agree with well
[1:41:09] I I agree with Mr Mayor and also I council
[1:41:12] keys and many others I just mentioned I don't want
[1:41:15] to repeat anything I just also wanted to share some
[1:41:18] experiences I just got a call from a resident at
[1:41:21] at much time courting my wife and that she asking
[1:41:25] if there if they had the opportunity of foreign ...
[1:41:29] to to move to any a long term care to
[1:41:31] see if they're actually X. actually a sort of shortage
[1:41:35] and ... the resident is actually now living is private
[1:41:38] care it is clear and to think that and actually
[1:41:42] that that person is living in a private here at
[1:41:44] some and they are waiting for it moving up to
[1:41:47] long term can't that's why they're living there and there
[1:41:50] has been a few years ask you a few months
[1:41:53] already so they're actually still waiting for the clock to
[1:41:56] get into a long term care and I really understand
[1:41:58] how one of brushed out what the situation would be
[1:42:01] when their parents at a point where they can't do
[1:42:04] you think about all these planning about so I again
[1:42:08] I'm unsure project pointing out that application and yes I'll
[1:42:12] just yeah I'll just put them connect thank you
[1:42:15] councillor McAlpine
[1:42:17] ... thank you Mr chair ... I will echo I
[1:42:21] think most of my fellow councillors that I'm and I'm
[1:42:23] very much in support of this I have a father
[1:42:26] on the waiting list for long term care so this
[1:42:28] hits pretty close to home ... ... I I also
[1:42:33] think that this is this is the sort of situation
[1:42:36] for which Ms that always word design
[1:42:39] ... and so from that perspective I think supporting it
[1:42:42] as you know the PM's and ... processes good here
[1:42:45] it's really unfortunate that the M. that ... protest in
[1:42:48] other instances has been used recently in in ... in
[1:42:52] Ontario and it's sort of given the process a bad
[1:42:54] name but this is exactly the sort of situation with
[1:42:57] designed to address in my reading and so I I
[1:43:00] have no problem in supporting it ... ... I would
[1:43:05] however support ... councillor Keith in in in ...
[1:43:11] the notion that there should be some ... public consultation
[1:43:15] and I say that based on experience ... and I
[1:43:19] know councillor keys was there and I think Deputy Mayor
[1:43:21] Hamilton ... we held a community meeting ... a couple
[1:43:26] of years ago with respect to a very high level
[1:43:29] conceptual notion of of adding maybe twenty ... retirement recordable
[1:43:34] retirement units in Ward three and the public opposition was
[1:43:39] shocking and with the Chris we sat ... through a
[1:43:43] two hour meeting you know hot very crowded ... ...
[1:43:47] church hall and ... were yelled after two hours ...
[1:43:52] so don't over estimate public support for this when it's
[1:43:57] close to people's homes and I think ... as much
[1:44:00] as I support this I think that we we can't
[1:44:03] be seen because you're simply being railroaded through or ramming
[1:44:07] it through so ... I do think that we need
[1:44:10] to ... we do need to include some some public
[1:44:12] consultation in this process so from that perspective all support
[1:44:15] that councillor ... it's amendment I guess to the motion
[1:44:19] thank you
[1:44:20] councillor right
[1:44:26] she
[1:44:27] thank you I'm I just have a further comment to
[1:44:30] what the massacre if I had appendix E. as well
[1:44:33] ... question to Stephen
[1:44:36] site plan doesn't come back to development services correct it's
[1:44:39] author it's them delegated authority to staff
[1:44:43] Bob through you Mr chair too councillor ray ... in
[1:44:47] this situation they would be coming back to DST
[1:44:52] so do we need that in the resolution
[1:44:59] so there to make sure it does come back to
[1:45:00] DSC
[1:45:03] what number times very
[1:45:05] do we need that in the resolution that it comes
[1:45:08] back to DSC
[1:45:11] from
[1:45:13] sorry my apologies Austin Mr question maybe I can assist
[1:45:17] here this evening share well so I use
[1:45:22] ... sure yes I can do I can tell you
[1:45:25] that there's no need for a resolution councillor ray on
[1:45:28] this particular one because it's part of the delegates bylaw
[1:45:32] for delegation ... so Biju is on the line the
[1:45:36] director of planning and most teams having some audio issues
[1:45:39] maybe beach you can clarify the bylaw and in what
[1:45:43] instances it comes back in and not so we can
[1:45:45] be absolutely clear ... in terms of ... whether you
[1:45:49] need a resolution or not so be you could you
[1:45:51] just clarify that for us
[1:45:54] just one
[1:45:59] 13 foot account
[1:46:02] he
[1:46:03] I'm sorry
[1:46:04] I think
[1:46:07] I'm trying to get my most
[1:46:09] working here
[1:46:11] your most of your money
[1:46:13] book book
[1:46:15] so
[1:46:17] councillor great is that the question that you're asking
[1:46:21] yeah I structure
[1:46:23] sheriff I could just the structure could just intervene the
[1:46:26] best of my recollection is when a road is on
[1:46:30] a collector when a story about a project is on
[1:46:33] a collector wrote ... that is not delegated to style
[1:46:37] I would say though just to be clear we do
[1:46:40] want this coming back to committee and I don't think
[1:46:44] we should included in this resolution because this is our
[1:46:48] comments to the province but we can pass a separate
[1:46:51] resolution but because it's on a collector road I believe
[1:46:55] that delegated authority is that it's not obligated to stop
[1:46:58] it has to come back to development services but I'm
[1:47:01] going from recollection we can process separate no motion just
[1:47:05] to be clear Bruce Jenner ... I'm I'm online now
[1:47:09] ... this site plan application for this product will be
[1:47:12] coming back to DC at some point the zoning bylaw
[1:47:16] this is a common doesn't as commission mentioned is there
[1:47:18] a comment to the Ministry told this that matter once
[1:47:22] a
[1:47:24] it community information meeting if it is to be held
[1:47:26] we would need a resolution from council but after back
[1:47:29] well we can certainly ... ... students come to the
[1:47:32] province the site plan the promise agrees ... right now
[1:47:36] under the legislation seven approved is subject is with the
[1:47:39] province but if the promise agrees and allows us to
[1:47:42] deal with like one application we will bring that back
[1:47:44] to DC
[1:47:50] and the and the second question I mean I don't
[1:47:52] like the and said ... process and I didn't find
[1:47:54] out about this until the weekend because I read the
[1:47:57] agenda last weekend
[1:48:00] until I got an email knowing that there was two
[1:48:02] of them on today ... council's February twenty third so
[1:48:06] maybe ... what councillor pokedex is a local councillor maybe
[1:48:11] have a community information meeting between now and Feb twenty
[1:48:14] third to let the residents don't of that are backing
[1:48:17] onto this into the side of this know what's going
[1:48:19] on so at that time
[1:48:22] that might resolve all the issues that there is no
[1:48:24] public consultation but it goes every twenty third council hope
[1:48:28] could have that community meeting to let the residents know
[1:48:31] what's going on
[1:48:33] thank you
[1:48:35] Posner hall not on mute please
[1:48:43] okay yeah thank you Mr chair well I don't mind
[1:48:47] you know hosting a sub ... public information meeting however
[1:48:52] since you know ... this was not required to eat
[1:48:55] a pasta and that's why you know the applicant and
[1:48:59] also I was stopped you know ... did not you
[1:49:02] know the thing about having public meeting Ed the time
[1:49:07] is running short for the applicant so I just don't
[1:49:10] want to end up imitating we'll you know ... it
[1:49:14] into the process of this application and I I also
[1:49:21] think that you know in the future we may be
[1:49:24] we need to get out ... have some sort of
[1:49:27] public meeting in a fall while ... both of the
[1:49:31] issues even under the provincial regulation but not this case
[1:49:36] because you know as you all have heard that the
[1:49:40] application will expire you know by February twenty eight only
[1:49:45] well less than three weeks from now so ... this
[1:49:49] case would be you know ... very unique case thank
[1:49:52] you
[1:49:54] so my understanding is staff didn't know about this until
[1:49:56] choosing the gender was already got that's what I would
[1:50:00] imagine it and so does have thirty days
[1:50:03] Stephen
[1:50:04] what
[1:50:11] easy my internet or is it your into that because
[1:50:13] I just upgraded mine my apologies I'm hearing every third
[1:50:17] word ... I heard thirty days isn't and doesn't MTO
[1:50:21] after being reported back to the province within thirty days
[1:50:25] is that what
[1:50:27] yes I know it's it's within 30 days
[1:50:30] with my
[1:50:31] they're always there is no time
[1:50:34] there is no timeline I think the issue here is
[1:50:37] the closing up of the property on the end of
[1:50:41] that's what the issue so it's not that NCOs have
[1:50:43] to be responded to within thirty days okay all right
[1:50:47] share researcher ... I'm happy I'm happy again I think
[1:50:53] it should be a separate resolution but I'm happy to
[1:50:56] include that a public information meeting ... I think that
[1:51:01] you know in some respects site
[1:51:04] right support.
[1:51:06] but in some respects I also think it's it's gonna
[1:51:09] be a bit misleading to the public there's going to
[1:51:13] be ample opportunity to have those those meetings ... I
[1:51:17] should've included destiny are in the resolution I apologize ...
[1:51:22] I think this needs to go to council tomorrow and
[1:51:26] it's not just about it's not just about their land
[1:51:29] deal ... I I think the province of Ontario is
[1:51:34] going to be dealing with Amazon does imminently and ...
[1:51:39] from my perspective hi I'd like to get our comments
[1:51:43] into the problems now they can choose their timing of
[1:51:46] when they want to do it if they want to
[1:51:48] do it eminently or they want to do it in
[1:51:50] two weeks time whatever the case may be but from
[1:51:53] my perspective is is from us from a city of
[1:51:56] Markham perspective I think we should get our comments in
[1:52:00] we can hold public information meetings we got outlined ...
[1:52:05] how the project is proposed are obviously deal with comments
[1:52:10] a comment from the public on issues that we can
[1:52:13] still deal with ... but you know it's it's not
[1:52:18] if if the province deals with with them settles imminently
[1:52:22] ... them out we're not going to get our comments
[1:52:25] and and I and I just from my perspective I'd
[1:52:28] like to get our common sense and it doesn't take
[1:52:31] away our opportunity the whole public information meetings yeah ...
[1:52:36] so that's gonna include that in in the resolution because
[1:52:40] I think that there's two there's actually a few things
[1:52:43] one I I believe and I may be wrong but
[1:52:46] I believe the province is that a deal with themselves
[1:52:48] imminently so we want to get our comments and to
[1:52:52] ... you've heard articulated quite well by Maanshan that they're
[1:52:57] under a time line to secure at least happen out
[1:53:01] I believe that that's okay for them to secure our
[1:53:04] this particular property for this purpose and I'll say three
[1:53:09] and it's an important one
[1:53:12] if they miss this window to proceed
[1:53:16] then they will miss probably the window to get funding
[1:53:19] in the next phase of of funding and allocation for
[1:53:23] beds and that's not to say they'll never get them
[1:53:27] ... but you know when we have an opportunity with
[1:53:31] an organization that's committed to delivering when there is a
[1:53:35] a program ... allocation that's going to be coming shortly
[1:53:39] ... and there's a deadline for that they have really
[1:53:41] spoken about that but there's a deadline after that part
[1:53:45] of the process as well and if they minutes that
[1:53:48] they will miss this rounds at the say that they'll
[1:53:50] never get beds in the future I wouldn't say that
[1:53:54] but it certainly puts it off to the future and
[1:53:56] I don't know again whether anyone from Maanshan wants to
[1:53:59] comment on that but ... so I think there's lots
[1:54:03] of opportunity for us to go out to the community
[1:54:05] and get further impact and and hear from them I
[1:54:10] I I understand about that they'll be certain things obviously
[1:54:12] we can't change your for an order it is it
[1:54:16] is approved but there's certain things we can take into
[1:54:19] consideration and work with Maanshan as they happen we've seen
[1:54:23] this demonstrated before they tried to do that in in
[1:54:26] other projects work with the surrounding not a community obviously
[1:54:30] they have to get things done they have to build
[1:54:33] an LTC building and the other building but they do
[1:54:36] work with the community as well
[1:54:39] so I think those are the 3 drivers
[1:54:42] and I support the application I think ... we have
[1:54:45] the desperate need for a long term care especially ones
[1:54:47] are not private
[1:54:50] can you please send a copy of the presentation as
[1:54:52] well I think yeah thank you had some interesting stats
[1:54:55] in there so if you can forward that to the
[1:54:57] clerk so we can get a copy would be appreciated
[1:55:02] councillor Holtzman
[1:55:05] Stephanie along the did you want to say something
[1:55:09] then council whose
[1:55:15] on your
[1:55:17] thank you thank you Mr chair R. thanks Mr Mayor
[1:55:21] ... forwarding that comp that part of the comments beach
[1:55:24] we have not addressed
[1:55:26] ... obviously through the discussions of impact is very clearly
[1:55:31] seen that the support from the scene of a Markham
[1:55:35] is critical critical to the Ms it'll close S.
[1:55:40] bank going should be Ms that'll process is the likelihood
[1:55:44] that we get the right zoning if the items are
[1:55:47] those of who's been that with this
[1:55:50] let me expedite our application with the ministry of long
[1:55:54] term care
[1:55:55] this from time to time there were already mentioned facts
[1:55:59] up by giving licenses to and our buildings the operator
[1:56:03] one of the very important consideration is the operator has
[1:56:08] to get the land with right zoning
[1:56:11] so imagine that the process let's say everything is approved
[1:56:15] today and we have licenses today you have to go
[1:56:19] through site plan application we have to go through everything
[1:56:23] before we can actually stop build
[1:56:26] using our store real long term care the new facility
[1:56:30] is an example
[1:56:31] it takes us two years to complete the construction and
[1:56:37] that is like really fast track construction process not not
[1:56:42] too many people can do that
[1:56:44] and even taken into account all these where you can
[1:56:48] easily imagine when that new long term care facility can
[1:56:52] be made available in the city of Markham in a
[1:56:55] location which is very good for everybody good for the
[1:56:59] families to visit their loved ones and together with that
[1:57:03] senior campus that actually can be for the needs of
[1:57:08] the more intensive care for the seniors I believe in
[1:57:13] the healthy happy environment and that actually helped the community
[1:57:18] a lot
[1:57:19] that is what Marshall is there for serving the community
[1:57:24] and that these we work towards a hundred percent of
[1:57:27] our resources and also everything our investments are resources including
[1:57:33] people we are working to a hundred percent to make
[1:57:37] this project are reasonable and break this arm in reality
[1:57:45] thank you Mr chair you
[1:57:48] thank you Stephanie next council whose
[1:57:51] thank you Mr chair I'll just make my comments very
[1:57:54] briefly because I think ... quite a bit has been
[1:57:57] said so
[1:57:59] to start I'm going to tell you that I am
[1:58:01] in support of this application because I know I'm trying
[1:58:05] as been working ... in other years ... and I
[1:58:09] think it's just that we're lucky that we're gonna be
[1:58:12] having this long term care facility and when I heard
[1:58:16] that they also want to have a training center there
[1:58:19] for the PS W's I think that is fantastic because
[1:58:23] to me those are some things that we needed mark
[1:58:27] there's a big need for the seniors of Markham
[1:58:32] especially ... because of the the pressure that is zero
[1:58:36] nine long term care I think this is fantastic and
[1:58:40] it would not be a perfect location than what it
[1:58:43] is here by the way I live alone again so
[1:58:46] I know exactly what it is so ... and we
[1:58:51] did it is and I'll tell you something even though
[1:58:53] existing debt is for employment use only but I also
[1:58:57] it may not be the perfect employment what does this
[1:59:00] does have employment of people that will be working for
[1:59:05] for the long term get it set up so does
[1:59:07] have that and you know and I like that we
[1:59:10] have more the man made it very simply that it
[1:59:12] would be the real house goes in there I think
[1:59:15] this is what the I wouldn't wanna warehouse in my
[1:59:18] neighborhood so I personally believe that get all the issues
[1:59:23] that we have talked about since morning they're only does
[1:59:26] me that this is a perfect location where this ...
[1:59:31] you should location communities in DC should be going and
[1:59:35] I'm gonna fully support it so the motion as already
[1:59:38] being made and seconded and so I'm going to support
[1:59:42] this ... ... when it comes to what he might
[1:59:45] each account certainly
[1:59:50] I'm beautifully
[1:59:51] ... thank you Mr chair yeah I support among shown
[1:59:56] that M. zero application at thirty six apple creek well
[2:00:01] I have in depth knowledge on what long Chantiers undisclosed
[2:00:05] site facility in Markham and Scarborough
[2:00:08] I had an opportunity to visit both locations numerous times
[2:00:13] in the last ten years as a member of council
[2:00:16] and I am immensely impressed with the lifestyle enjoy but
[2:00:21] the resident who lifted
[2:00:23] I know the urgency for the neat off long term
[2:00:26] care
[2:00:28] before slowly for always senior in the city of mock
[2:00:33] I remember not long ago I try to apply for
[2:00:37] support for my dying mother in law at the motion
[2:00:40] on Scarborough and Markham site
[2:00:43] she had dementia and language communication issue it would be
[2:00:48] greatly appreciated to live in a culture environment that sort
[2:00:52] of the
[2:00:53] but unfortunately the waiting time what simply unbearable
[2:00:59] and he and she died two years ago it puts
[2:01:03] you can really realize a dream
[2:01:06] so having gone to
[2:01:09] the pain waiting
[2:01:12] I can wholeheartedly support this application thank you
[2:01:17] regional cancer he
[2:01:21] I'm thank you Mr chair
[2:01:26] it seems like I I I guess we probably heard
[2:01:29] from ... ... three quarters of council we haven't heard
[2:01:33] from all of you for for three quarters and ...
[2:01:36] ... everybody including me ... has nothing to say except
[2:01:41] really good things about mantra and the need ... and
[2:01:46] ... at this specific needs for long term care are
[2:01:50] and the work they've done ... and I go back
[2:01:53] to my ... working with team over the many years
[2:01:56] ... as well as our first meeting mon Sharman back
[2:02:01] in the nineteen eighties um in their downtown area ...
[2:02:07] and so ... I think that to ... ... they
[2:02:10] brought the right application to is that centre but I
[2:02:14] would like to move it an additional clause ... which
[2:02:17] ... ... ... works towards what I said previously and
[2:02:21] I know where some of the councillors have ever talked
[2:02:24] about it and ... this would be another a closet
[2:02:27] in the ... ... for three or four five I
[2:02:31] know the mayor talked about a couple things that and
[2:02:34] ... those are more site plan but the relationship with
[2:02:37] the windows is important for the residents ... to the
[2:02:41] east I don't with somewhat similar ... when I was
[2:02:45] local councillor over on sixteenth Avenue when a ... seniors
[2:02:49] of facility was being built ... and the distance a
[2:02:52] little shorter like eighty meters or so and but people
[2:02:57] did ask about the ... the higher floors looking into
[2:03:00] the backyards each center and it may be that when
[2:03:03] we get the site plan we may want to talk
[2:03:05] about with Americans a reduced because I think it's important
[2:03:08] but also may only apply for a Dutch third floor
[2:03:12] and not ... Hey this Matt this release the site
[2:03:16] plan so there is the additional cost would be that
[2:03:19] the recommendations go to a special council meeting next week
[2:03:23] ... after four after the holding
[2:03:26] of the committee information meeting in the intro ... I'm
[2:03:30] very I acknowledge that ... ... ... Maanshan has got
[2:03:35] a ... significant deadline we want them to meet the
[2:03:38] deadline I think that the ... the ministry is going
[2:03:43] to say having issue the letter only last week are
[2:03:48] the Ministry is is ... going to say you didn't
[2:03:51] respond fast enough if we don't respond ... in five
[2:03:55] or six days rather than in a um thirteen or
[2:03:59] fourteen days you know what I mean twelve or thirteen
[2:04:01] or fourteen days whatever the length would be ... I
[2:04:04] would presume that this special council meeting with the whole
[2:04:09] double ... within the probably a day ... of ...
[2:04:13] unfolding the community there could be a few things come
[2:04:16] up with the community ... we know that when we
[2:04:19] hold community meetings one of the things that does come
[2:04:22] up is parking ... and it could be the plaza
[2:04:26] or the business community the employment area they need dust
[2:04:30] related to the south or maybe just to the west
[2:04:33] ... may have some issues that that we need to
[2:04:35] think about it parking whether or not we can't that
[2:04:38] giving us in general moving the M. general will ...
[2:04:42] it would just totally incompatible with parking I don't think
[2:04:45] it is ... of the issue about the ... the
[2:04:49] distance and ... making sure there's no overlooking the that
[2:04:53] it may very well come up ... and there are
[2:04:55] ways to members already hinted at the fact that ways
[2:04:58] to do that ... and that's good wage I also
[2:05:01] think to be one more that will lead I certainly
[2:05:04] want to give it some thought anyways and I I
[2:05:07] I I think can be answered the ... the roof
[2:05:10] river valley ... to ensure that to ... that you
[2:05:14] know if there's land that's over the top of bank
[2:05:17] that it intentionally it that would go to the city
[2:05:19] of Markham etcetera so that would be my recommendation that
[2:05:23] the recommendation go to special counsel be next week
[2:05:26] after holding a ... community information in the interim this
[2:05:29] is very important Mr chair for precedent
[2:05:33] this is not just this specific proposal we ought not
[2:05:38] to do things that are significant within communities without consulting
[2:05:42] the community and I think we can find a time
[2:05:45] frame to do it within a week ... that will
[2:05:48] meet with the ministries ... ... requirements are will meet
[2:05:52] the city of Markham we ought to be able to
[2:05:55] hold our head high and say nobody comes to Markham
[2:05:58] and makes proposals and tried to do an end run
[2:06:01] around our planning system ... without consultation and the consultation
[2:06:06] is what's what we do a lot of them very
[2:06:08] well so ... I think that it's important that we
[2:06:12] hold such a meeting I'm hoping there's a second ...
[2:06:15] and I think it meets the requirement for tying up
[2:06:18] and meets the requirement for the city of Markham to
[2:06:21] do justice to applications that come in front of it
[2:06:24] so the public has an opportunity to give input anyway
[2:06:27] so that's my my recommendation for net ... an amendment
[2:06:32] or a an extra closet is the man that actually
[2:06:36] not
[2:06:37] councillor home I was gonna ask mayors on a friendly
[2:06:40] amendment your motion
[2:06:43] yeah thank you Mr Tripp it seems that you know
[2:06:47] this application has ... the majority support if not you
[2:06:52] know unanimous ... by ... console I wonder if we
[2:06:57] can move you know ... you know application to tomorrow's
[2:07:01] council meeting because you know they they really need time
[2:07:05] and also time is running short and it but you
[2:07:08] know we have had you know ... more than two
[2:07:10] hours discussion are already and ... everybody understand you know
[2:07:15] the situation so well and also you know
[2:07:18] have has expressed their full support so ... it could
[2:07:24] be done to move it to to most council meeting
[2:07:28] okay well the question would be how do you hold
[2:07:30] a community meeting between now and that
[2:07:33] I'll talk about this application I don't think you know
[2:07:37] public meeting will be an issue you know ... all
[2:07:40] of this application because note he was not required you
[2:07:44] know cost unless you know we changed some summer did
[2:07:47] a procedure by law to have probably be taking a
[2:07:50] full you know all applications ... ... two and that
[2:07:55] ... that kind of thing and so is not free
[2:07:58] and you know to the application know what to our
[2:08:00] stock either so I don't think you know ... and
[2:08:03] the public we take would be at least on this
[2:08:07] application also I I first of all I wanna know
[2:08:10] if there's a second ... ... I had heard there
[2:08:13] would be ... ... councillor recount fine or or the
[2:08:17] Deputy Mayor what hatch which have both talk to this
[2:08:20] matter ... and ... I'd like to get on the
[2:08:23] floor so that that the opportunity are is for council
[2:08:26] to vote on the matter this is our second year
[2:08:32] I can't nobody can get there might unlike general committee
[2:08:36] and development services second was councillor McAlpine
[2:08:41] R. O. sorry my mistake well then it is on
[2:08:43] the floor I don't think ... Mister chair that ...
[2:08:46] that ... this is a matter of of ... not
[2:08:50] making that deadline ... remember there are two councillors myself
[2:08:54] and councillor ray who said he only found out about
[2:08:57] this on the weekend I read it Sunday morning ...
[2:09:00] and ... and so basically in because of the deadline
[2:09:05] which I had no knowledge of I didn't know about
[2:09:08] it I still didn't until today know about the knowledge
[2:09:12] that we are basically saying we shouldn't consult with our
[2:09:14] public we're basically going against the the very purpose of
[2:09:19] the development service in the planning system public information public
[2:09:23] input and hear what they have to say I can't
[2:09:26] think of anything more important than that I can't think
[2:09:30] of anything at a higher level of what we should
[2:09:32] be doing as a council then consulting with the public
[2:09:36] and saying you like this and I bet you they
[2:09:38] do like it like our council does but I can't
[2:09:41] prove that and neither can anybody else it looks also
[2:09:44] repeat I'm asking Americans deserve that much because you had
[2:09:48] suggested nationally ministers to council tomorrow
[2:09:52] and this Mister chair ... the way it's worded right
[2:09:55] now it would have to be ... an amendment that
[2:09:58] smoked and seconded and ... I would just say that
[2:10:02] I'd like to go to moral ... again I have
[2:10:06] no problem with public consultation R. I think to to
[2:10:11] do something like that at this point might actually ...
[2:10:17] and I know this is not the intent but I
[2:10:19] actually might mislead the public
[2:10:21] because they think were in control of items at all
[2:10:25] ... I think that that we're not and and I'd
[2:10:28] like to again ... I'd like to get our comments
[2:10:31] into the province and if there's more time it's it's
[2:10:36] we hear that that there's more time well then now
[2:10:39] we can always get more comments ... to the province
[2:10:42] something stops us from providing further comment I'm not against
[2:10:45] having a public information meeting I just think you know
[2:10:49] to try to characterize of the bet that we hold
[2:10:52] this and and somehow this is you know again I
[2:10:56] think it's indicative of the process I'm not going to
[2:10:59] repeat what I said earlier I think unfortunately some of
[2:11:02] these things are indicative of the process that needs fixing
[2:11:06] ... and I know from my perspective ... whether it's
[2:11:10] this one or any other one I think we have
[2:11:13] an opportunity to comment we don't control the levers Mister
[2:11:17] chair but let's be clear about that so when we
[2:11:21] have an opportunity to comment and to perhaps influence the
[2:11:25] process
[2:11:27] we should do it that doesn't mean we can't send
[2:11:30] other comments down if if it's been six weeks the
[2:11:34] province is not approved then M. zero nothing stops us
[2:11:37] from saying a further to our our our comments are
[2:11:41] further to our resolution here's something else ... but if
[2:11:45] it's an unknown if it is then I'd like some
[2:11:49] comments to go down and ... and at least they
[2:11:52] get incorporated hopefully we'll keep our fingers crossed because there
[2:11:56] may be aspects here I don't know that the province
[2:11:59] may not necessarily agree to but at least we put
[2:12:02] it on the record and so if the resolution gets
[2:12:06] worded that we hold a public information meeting
[2:12:10] it in the near future I don't have a problem
[2:12:13] with that ... but not getting any comments to the
[2:12:15] problems I think ... really leaves us vulnerable even more
[2:12:20] perhaps than people may feel we're vulnerable already ... because
[2:12:25] we need more time to get them let's get some
[2:12:27] comments down there and then we can always add more
[2:12:30] to it if we have the luxury of getting more
[2:12:33] down now and I hope I've made that clear I
[2:12:36] haven't let's just vote on the amendment but I can't
[2:12:38] support the way it's worded now
[2:12:42] thank you is Mr each of the house or eight
[2:12:45] well Mr chair
[2:12:48] I I don't think I can't imagine that the problems
[2:12:52] who issued a letter to us on the on not
[2:12:56] one which is the fifth ... or the second of
[2:12:59] February six days ago ... ... requires an answer on
[2:13:06] the night one week later our and cannot have an
[2:13:10] answer two weeks later ... I I I just find
[2:13:14] that it's preposterous and it is I mean it's something
[2:13:19] that we should be defending it's not something we should
[2:13:22] be because this is the most important decision of what
[2:13:24] we're doing we're putting it off the saying okay if
[2:13:28] there's official plan there's no proposal for official plan amendment
[2:13:31] therefore required about putting it often ineffective site plan ...
[2:13:36] really basically says that all we want to do is
[2:13:39] we want to decide whether it's the ... that's got
[2:13:42] six or seven floors and whether their windows and I
[2:13:45] really agree with the mayor on that matter ... windows
[2:13:48] facing east on the southern on Monday yeah the southern
[2:13:52] building ... and you know it and we could talk
[2:13:55] about that one all those kinds of things that's all
[2:13:57] we have to do with it I would planning anymore
[2:14:00] I mean we have to right now I asked Stephen
[2:14:03] I don't know if you can hear us ... but
[2:14:06] that Stephen I must say that you're in a perfect
[2:14:08] position as a if you were politicians and that is
[2:14:11] we can hear you recently ... we can ... taken
[2:14:15] all that you're saying you're presentations but you can't work
[2:14:17] your work from us H. ... ... which is excellent
[2:14:21] for politician because you just back but not for staff
[2:14:25] we want you to be able to hear
[2:14:28] okay that being said Mr chair I think we I
[2:14:31] look forward to the vote on this one because this
[2:14:33] one is probably one of the most important votes we've
[2:14:37] had in years we're trying to find a way to
[2:14:41] meet the requirements of the province as quickly as we
[2:14:45] can but we're also defending the Markham's position should consult
[2:14:50] our residents before we make important decisions and this is
[2:14:54] an important decision it decides that this is going there
[2:14:58] I support it every member of council instead they supported
[2:15:02] but the consultation should be first not after we make
[2:15:05] the decision of ... so anyways we it's on the
[2:15:08] floor thank you
[2:15:11] call the question
[2:15:13] all in favor of demand
[2:15:18] 123
[2:15:22] for
[2:15:23] a post
[2:15:27] one two three maybe just to roll call yes I
[2:15:32] can't
[2:15:37] 6
[2:15:39] thank you your local
[2:16:08] the question is are you in favor of the amendment
[2:16:10] or not
[2:16:13] January
[2:16:16] Mr
[2:16:18] Mr chairman is the reason why we can't on your
[2:16:21] own microphone I can't hear you
[2:16:25] is there a reason why we cannot
[2:16:33] are you in favor of the amendment
[2:16:35] no okay next
[2:16:40] councillor oh no
[2:16:43] councillor McAlpine
[2:16:45] yes
[2:16:47] councillor right
[2:16:53] they start with to check my put out S. on
[2:16:56] to the amendment is to have a community caught community
[2:16:59] meetings and have a special council meeting next week that's
[2:17:02] correct yes so I support that
[2:17:05] councillor keys
[2:17:09] we cannot know
[2:17:13] councillor Collucci
[2:17:16] you're not
[2:17:24] all
[2:17:28] I want
[2:17:31] you know councillor whose mind
[2:17:38] no
[2:17:39] councillor late
[2:17:46] now
[2:17:48] councillor
[2:17:50] their stupidity
[2:17:56] the way it's worded in the future sorry
[2:18:00] your animal feed
[2:18:09] you should let me on mute educationists Austin
[2:18:12] that's not
[2:18:14] no I can't I just on mute them automatically
[2:18:20] yeah
[2:18:22] okay councillor he regional council he
[2:18:31] yes regional council Lee
[2:18:38] what
[2:18:40] you know
[2:18:42] no
[2:18:44] councillor regional cancer Jones is no
[2:18:55] she defeated now the motions on the floor of
[2:19:00] they're scripted in second by councillor
[2:19:03] hold
[2:19:06] did you wanna speak Mr Mayor
[2:19:10] you know based
[2:19:12] I would ask the student council tomorrow and not
[2:19:17] this is the motion regional council he wants to make
[2:19:21] that ... I don't think we need it as a
[2:19:23] motion I would just ask that work councillor and this
[2:19:28] is comments the problem with the work councillor and not
[2:19:31] launching poster community information meeting thanks for reading I think
[2:19:36] we are on the work councillor he's happy to do
[2:19:39] that it was just time it ends meet to our
[2:19:43] council meeting which again we've got more comments our rate
[2:19:47] let me see got some comments so long as the
[2:19:50] wording is captured with schools council moral
[2:19:56] any
[2:19:57] all in favor of yeah thank you no Sir all
[2:20:03] so it will be brought to to most consummate take
[2:20:05] and also you know public meeting will be held up
[2:20:08] to it thank you thank
[2:20:12] all in
[2:20:13] of the motion
[2:20:18] opposed
[2:20:21] the C. nobody carried no no I'm opposed to your
[2:20:24] post okay yes Mr Mr Turner I'm very much in
[2:20:28] favor but we're setting precedent here and it's gonna come
[2:20:32] back to us so I'm opposed right now we'll deal
[2:20:35] with it tomorrow
[2:20:36] okay
[2:20:39] anyway that's the motion is carried
[2:20:42] what I'm gonna suggest is we take a five minute
[2:20:45] break and then we're going to take on the next
[2:20:48] Ms adults
[2:20:50] should be back to work with you
[2:20:53] for the 12
[2:31:33] yes
[2:31:40] I'd like to reconvene the meeting
[2:31:45] you can hear me
[2:31:49] this is just you hear me Jack
[2:31:55] yes
[2:31:56] okay so 6 to 7.2
[2:32:01] I have one two three four five six seven I
[2:32:06] have some opening date okay city of Markham's comments to
[2:32:10] the province on the ministers zoning order request by flat
[2:32:14] on developments in to prevent residential development on lands that
[2:32:19] fifty four seventy four and fifty six sixty to nineteen
[2:32:24] th Avenue
[2:32:26] Mr commissioner do wanna kick this off please thank you
[2:32:29] Mr chairman for the opportunity
[2:32:32] having someone tell you has requested the city of Markham
[2:32:35] to provide comments on a proposed ministers owning order
[2:32:40] and that has been requested by flat developments incorporated
[2:32:44] to permit residential developments on lands at fifty four seventy
[2:32:48] four
[2:32:50] and 5660 to 19 th Avenue
[2:32:54] the proposal Mr chairman is to permit three hundred and
[2:32:57] twenty five to four hundred and eighty five single detached
[2:33:01] dwellings
[2:33:03] hundred ninety to three hundred and eighty townhouses and two
[2:33:07] six two eight story apartment buildings with approximately two hundred
[2:33:11] forty two three hundred and twenty units
[2:33:14] general lines the manager pause here to the city of
[2:33:17] Markham he's here with us today
[2:33:19] vied you a brief overview of the presentation and then
[2:33:23] he'll invite representatives from flooded developments Mr chairman thank you
[2:33:28] just like to remind you all that we are leading
[2:33:32] you to be able to mute or unmute yourself okay
[2:33:36] so please leave your
[2:33:39] your microphone on mute do you want
[2:33:41] thank you
[2:33:44] I'm gonna test that Mr thank you for that
[2:33:51] okay good morning or good after that still as good
[2:33:54] morning
[2:33:59] not only 7 minutes
[2:34:01] I will take those 7 minutes Mister chair
[2:34:04] hi good morning my name is generalized ends I am
[2:34:07] the manager of policy in the development services commission today
[2:34:11] I'll be protuberance chin on comments to the province on
[2:34:14] a ministers zoning order by flight or developments a corporate
[2:34:17] it four five four seven four and five six six
[2:34:21] to nineteen th Avenue
[2:34:26] in November twenty twenty flat or developments incorporated wrote to
[2:34:29] the minister of municipal affairs and housing requesting a minister's
[2:34:33] own in order to permit residential development on thirty two
[2:34:36] hectare of land at five four seven four and five
[2:34:40] six six two nineteenth Avenue as you can see on
[2:34:43] the map in front of you it's the two areas
[2:34:46] the two polygons shone in the light blue color ...
[2:34:49] labeled as proposed Ms at a request
[2:34:52] on January fifth twenty twenty one the minister of municipal
[2:34:56] affairs and housing or the Ministry staff sent a letter
[2:34:59] to the city asking for comments from the city on
[2:35:02] this request items that out
[2:35:04] the lands within the fleet ... Ms at a request
[2:35:07] or designated as agricultural area in York region official plan
[2:35:11] the subject lands are also designated countryside and green way
[2:35:15] in the Markham official plan
[2:35:17] the lands are located outside of the city's urban boundary
[2:35:20] and are identified as prime agricultural lands to be used
[2:35:23] for our primarily agricultural uses
[2:35:26] the lands are also within the white belt
[2:35:30] but has some green we features which I'll go into
[2:35:33] a little bit further in the stack
[2:35:36] in both the York region official plan and Markham official
[2:35:40] plan the lands are identified as lands outside of the
[2:35:43] urban area and outside of the greenbelt plan area which
[2:35:47] could potentially be identified for future urban development through a
[2:35:50] future municipal comprehensive review
[2:35:53] this is the second ministers owning order request in Markham
[2:35:55] from Plato developments cooperated the first minister's zoning order which
[2:36:00] I'm outlining here with ... my mouse
[2:36:05] is ... was granted by the minister in April of
[2:36:08] twenty twenty and area regulation of one seventy two slash
[2:36:12] twenty is located adjacent to Dixon help permits three hundred
[2:36:16] and fifty three dwelling units on eight point four hectares
[2:36:19] in which are still an additional one hundred and fifty
[2:36:22] four units on three point five factors within the city
[2:36:25] of Markham
[2:36:30] with respect to ministers owning orders I'm going to go
[2:36:33] over this part a little bit quickly as you had
[2:36:35] a very similar ... overview provided by my colleague Stephen
[2:36:39] later on the last item but he's actually with respect
[2:36:43] to ministers owning orders the planning act allows the minister
[2:36:46] of municipal affairs does owned lands anywhere in the province
[2:36:49] through a ministers owning order ministers owning orders are intended
[2:36:52] to be used to protect our facilitate provincial interests and
[2:36:56] the minister's decision to make a ministers owning order is
[2:36:59] required to be consistent with the provincial policy statement
[2:37:03] minister zoning orders override local official plans and so that
[2:37:07] and zoning bylaws
[2:37:12] more specifically the fleet ... Ms that a request it
[2:37:14] seeks to permit three hundred twenty five to four hundred
[2:37:17] eighty five single detached detached dwellings in R. one zone
[2:37:21] one hundred and ninety to three hundred eighty townhouses in
[2:37:25] R. two zone and to sixty eight story apartment buildings
[2:37:29] of two hundred and forty to three hundred and twenty
[2:37:31] units in our four zone the proposal also seeks various
[2:37:35] exceptions to the R. one R. two and R. four
[2:37:38] four zones more specifically looking at minimum lot frontages of
[2:37:43] eleven point five meters and a lot area of three
[2:37:47] hundred and forty five square meters in the R. one
[2:37:49] zone minimum lot frontage on a lot not access by
[2:37:52] late of six meters and a Max height of twelve
[2:37:56] metres in the R. two zone
[2:37:58] and a minimum your rear yard setback eleven meters and
[2:38:02] a number of apartment dwelling units of between a hundred
[2:38:04] and twenty minimum and five hundred maximum in the R.
[2:38:07] four so
[2:38:09] ... with respect to the current zoning the subject lands
[2:38:12] are currently zoned A. one agriculture and our our work
[2:38:16] for which is world residential and zoning bylaw three zero
[2:38:19] four dash eight seven as amended
[2:38:26] with respect to the city staff recommendations essentially recommendation one
[2:38:31] is that the city of Markham not support the ministers
[2:38:34] owning order request by fleet ... developments a corporation for
[2:38:36] the lands at five four seven four and five six
[2:38:39] six to nineteen th Avenue and the requested urban boundary
[2:38:42] expansion be considered instead through the York region's current municipal
[2:38:46] comprehensive review process York region is currently undertaking an official
[2:38:51] plan review through a municipal comprehensive review process to address
[2:38:55] land needs to the year twenty fifty one
[2:38:58] the York region official plan in the market official plan
[2:39:00] currently designates land needs to twenty thirty one
[2:39:04] as part of the municipal comprehensive review process York region
[2:39:08] is completing a land needs assessment to inform land use
[2:39:10] needs and allocate population and employment growth to area municipalities
[2:39:15] to twenty fifty one
[2:39:17] the land needs assessment will apply a region wide approach
[2:39:21] to determine how much growth can be accommodated within the
[2:39:24] current urban boundary and how much additional land if any
[2:39:29] is needed through urban boundary expansions
[2:39:32] the land needs assessment is expected to be released in
[2:39:34] the coming months and will identify the need in appropriate
[2:39:38] locations for any required urban boundary expansions in Markham or
[2:39:41] elsewhere in the region to twenty fifty one
[2:39:44] once the draft plan needs assessment and forecast for Markham
[2:39:47] is released marking council will consider the implications of the
[2:39:50] forecast on a city wide basis
[2:39:53] the region's municipal comprehensive review process and local planning processes
[2:39:57] to comprehensively insured alignment between land use fiscal and infrastructure
[2:40:02] planning and to ensure that growth is appropriately directed and
[2:40:05] faced across the region and city respectively
[2:40:09] as the later ones that ... request lands are located
[2:40:11] outside of the urban boundary and council is not yet
[2:40:14] considered how growth to twenty fifty one should be directed
[2:40:18] city staff is of the opinion that this request is
[2:40:20] premature pending completion of the York region's municipal comprehensive review
[2:40:24] process and recommends that the city does not support the
[2:40:28] sense that ... request
[2:40:30] city staff recommends that the requested urban boundary expansion therefore
[2:40:34] be considered instead through the York region MCR process and
[2:40:37] local planning process
[2:40:41] the second recommendation that is provided in our staff report
[2:40:44] number two is should the minister determine appropriate to issue
[2:40:48] and administer zoning order it is recommended that the minister
[2:40:51] consider the zoning standards attached in appendix D. to the
[2:40:54] staff report although staff does not support the flood ...
[2:40:58] Ms auto request for the reasons mentioned earlier should the
[2:41:02] minister determine appropriate to issue this ministers on order we
[2:41:05] have provided technical standards for the ministers consideration in that
[2:41:09] appendix some of the matters that is looking to address
[2:41:12] is that the townhouses be redistributed through the R. one
[2:41:15] and R. two designations in the flight for a final
[2:41:18] draft Ms that ... in order to facilitate on street
[2:41:21] parking street ... tree planting and planning and more appropriate
[2:41:26] streetscape
[2:41:27] also that the R. one designation be replaced with an
[2:41:30] R. two designation with use is restricted to only single
[2:41:33] detached dwellings townhouse dwellings accessory dwelling units home childcare and
[2:41:39] home occupations
[2:41:41] the proposed R. one designation is not appropriate it is
[2:41:43] said more typically as applied to areas that transform from
[2:41:46] large lot development urban area developments
[2:41:50] the introduction of restricted uses under the R. two designation
[2:41:55] is in line with the city's design principles of two
[2:41:58] car garages on eleven point six meter lots and would
[2:42:01] give flexibility to include housing nexus smaller than nine meters
[2:42:05] wide with single detached dwellings and single car garages and
[2:42:09] the final matter that we have dressed in the index
[2:42:12] is that the open space owned should be reflect a
[2:42:15] revised to reflect the green we designation in the Markham
[2:42:18] official plan as detailed analysis of studies have not been
[2:42:22] completed to determine the actual size of the open space
[2:42:26] that is why were respond respectfully asking that it would
[2:42:29] reflect the current open space ... designation within the official
[2:42:33] plan
[2:42:36] for next steps stop recommend that this report be forwarded
[2:42:39] to the ministry of municipal affairs and housing York region
[2:42:43] and the town of which are still bill as the
[2:42:45] city's comments on the ends that are requests to be
[2:42:47] submitted by Plato developments incorporated for five four seven four
[2:42:51] and five six six to nineteen Avenue
[2:42:57] so with that ... as it meant been mentioned by
[2:43:01] our commissioner I would like to now turn it over
[2:43:03] to you should hear from until I from ... Fleta
[2:43:06] developments of cooperated and Katarina sleeve what ... from Dentons
[2:43:10] on behalf of later development incorporated that I understand I
[2:43:13] have a presentation
[2:43:15] thank you
[2:43:19] yes good afternoon Mr chairman presents a committee can you
[2:43:22] hear me OK I can't I can't see a
[2:43:31] can you see me now my videos to be honest
[2:43:33] it's
[2:43:35] yeah
[2:43:38] I see an excellent I'm hoping that you can see
[2:43:41] this as well because I'm going to be sharing my
[2:43:43] screen with you ... to show a presentation here
[2:43:53] okay so M. as Mr Lyons said I'm here to
[2:43:56] speak to item seven point to the minister's owning order
[2:43:59] request for flauto and I'm joined by a ... our
[2:44:02] clients and she came from a to let today the
[2:44:05] purpose of this and that ... is to further facilitate
[2:44:07] the development of lands within the block bounded by nineteen
[2:44:11] th Avenue McAllen's still still road and highway forty eight
[2:44:14] an area that was included in the joint Markham and
[2:44:17] which are still felt ... visioning exercise
[2:44:23] I which which should still fill has now and recently
[2:44:26] changed to a land use study as you know the
[2:44:29] answer to build upon the existing that and that ...
[2:44:32] is located to the north and east of the subject
[2:44:34] site
[2:44:37] is contiguous communities would create a complete community I want
[2:44:41] to be clear that the proposed Ms that ... is
[2:44:43] located outside of the green belt outside of the oak
[2:44:46] ridges moraine and respect the boundaries of the natural heritage
[2:44:49] system included in the city's official plan in fact of
[2:44:52] the one hundred and ten acres of the property approximately
[2:44:56] thirty nine acres will not be developed and will continue
[2:44:58] to be protected
[2:45:00] opposed develop
[2:45:01] and addresses several of the province is priorities include including
[2:45:04] increasing housing supply and importantly providing much needed affordable and
[2:45:08] senior housing options in the original submission to the province
[2:45:12] in November we estimated that the lands could yield up
[2:45:14] to eleven hundred eighty five units however since the submission
[2:45:18] revisions to the plan have been made and with the
[2:45:20] integration of Parks stormwater management facilities and a modified road
[2:45:24] network we now estimate that the developer lands could yield
[2:45:27] approximately six hundred and sixty units this includes two one
[2:45:32] hundred unit apartment buildings which are purpose built rental for
[2:45:35] seniors hundred ninety seven townhouse units and two hundred and
[2:45:39] nineteen single detached dwellings
[2:45:42] the townhouse units will be designed to provide
[2:45:47] the townhouse units will be designed to provide a secondary
[2:45:49] suite on the ground floor supporting affordable housing options in
[2:45:54] the community of the single detached dwellings twenty five percent
[2:45:57] will be designed as accessible homes limiting the number of
[2:46:00] stairs to enter the ground level it will include a
[2:46:03] bedroom on the ground floor and wider hallways to support
[2:46:05] mobility devices other enhanced options for seniors and affordable housing
[2:46:10] are also being considered with the road and trail network
[2:46:13] that would connect into the adjacent and that all areas
[2:46:16] these new neighborhoods would be located within walking distance to
[2:46:19] a mix of uses including a community center commercial areas
[2:46:22] at the smart centres plazas schools and additional parks contributing
[2:46:26] to the creation of an complete community and this block
[2:46:29] west of highway forty the lands can be serviced flattest
[2:46:32] engineering consultants at crozier determined that the preferred option would
[2:46:36] be to connect at Sam's way from which are still
[2:46:39] felt for both water and sanitary these servicing connections would
[2:46:42] benefit Dixon Hellebuyck sending servicing to the hamlet limit in
[2:46:46] the time that I had before you today but I'm
[2:46:48] happy to answer additional questions regarding the servicing options should
[2:46:52] you have any flattest team review the staff report and
[2:46:55] the submissions sense to the city by residents I also
[2:46:58] understand that the son of the farmer who sold these
[2:47:00] lands has raised some concerns he would like to continue
[2:47:03] to form his own lands and that's fine and this
[2:47:05] proposal was not interfering with his lands remaining twenty six
[2:47:10] submissions appear to be identical ... but for to the
[2:47:13] speaks of concerns about health and well being and Markham
[2:47:16] stay sustainable complete communities the proposed community addresses just that
[2:47:21] there's also mention of the Ms ... circumventing public engagement
[2:47:24] however this meeting today is not the first opportunity for
[2:47:27] public engagement as you know as part of the highway
[2:47:30] forty eight visioning exercise to public meetings were held in
[2:47:32] Markham and additional meetings were held in Richard Stossel what's
[2:47:37] more is that there will be a statutory public meeting
[2:47:39] for this proposal at the draft plan approval stage and
[2:47:42] site plan approval with respect to concerns raised regarding headwaters
[2:47:46] and the not
[2:47:46] full employment letters environmental consultants are working closely and will
[2:47:50] continue to work with a T. RCA to respect the
[2:47:52] requirements and guidelines with respect to the suggestion that they
[2:47:56] should wait for the MCR the MCR is anticipated to
[2:47:59] be completed image twenty twenty as Mr Prasad said this
[2:48:03] morning waiting for the MCR takes a very long time
[2:48:06] seniors housing and affordable housing are issues that the province
[2:48:09] has identified as a priority they're issues that exist not
[2:48:13] just in interior or Canada but frankly around the world
[2:48:16] we've been discussing these challenges for years and they continue
[2:48:19] the pandemic has brought these issues into the spotlight like
[2:48:22] never before the issues with this vulnerable segment of the
[2:48:25] population have touched so many of us the solution is
[2:48:28] not just in the retirement home in long term care
[2:48:30] beds after appropriate opportunities for seniors to live within our
[2:48:33] community are missing this is one of those moments where
[2:48:36] my personal my professional life have intersected recently I was
[2:48:40] recently in a position to really experience how the lack
[2:48:43] of having our aging population close to us within our
[2:48:46] communities and inappropriate housing is problematic my grandmother's I'm health
[2:48:51] turned very suddenly for the worse ... until then she
[2:48:54] was living alone without someone close by to her situation
[2:48:57] deteriorated quickly and resulted in hospitalization by the time I
[2:49:00] was able to get to reach we need appropriate housing
[2:49:03] for senior ones that allow them to stay close to
[2:49:06] their family friends and within their communities this community provides
[2:49:10] that option
[2:49:11] the provincial government has focused its resources on exploring solutions
[2:49:15] on doing something about this now I commend the city
[2:49:18] of Markham for actively pursuing solutions and moving the dial
[2:49:21] with the mayors affordable rental housing strategy let us team
[2:49:24] join the zoom call last week to participate in not
[2:49:26] important undertaking we will continue to stay engaged what is
[2:49:30] proposed here will respect the strategy and providing innovative solutions
[2:49:33] to address housing affordability the city seeks waiting for the
[2:49:37] outcome of the MCR as a lost opportunity to round
[2:49:39] out this part of Markham adjacent to which are still
[2:49:42] felt the proposed community it is an obvious pocket to
[2:49:45] include within the proposed community with McAllen as a natural
[2:49:48] boundary the presentation that I circulated for this meeting includes
[2:49:52] an overview of the community very much like the one
[2:49:55] proposed here the plateau created in Dundalk including the seniors
[2:49:59] rental we respectfully request that the committee and council support
[2:50:03] the sense at all because these affordable units and seniors
[2:50:06] rental housing are needed in the community and every community
[2:50:09] the proposal provides an opportunity for Markham to address these
[2:50:12] needs thank you for your time and for allowing me
[2:50:15] to make this deputation as I said ... Mr remit
[2:50:18] to let joins us today and is happy to answer
[2:50:21] any questions
[2:50:32] before we take any questions do I'd like to do
[2:50:35] that the deputations the site okay
[2:50:38] Mayor script any
[2:50:40] one minute you're on mute yourself
[2:50:44] thanks Mr chair and I don't want I appreciate you
[2:50:48] want to hear from the documents but could either stop
[2:50:52] or the consultant just walk us through a little bit
[2:50:56] more on the mapping ... I want to be clear
[2:51:00] how big this site is how much is being preserved
[2:51:04] obviously through the green belt and then our own our
[2:51:08] green Waye system and I want to understand the status
[2:51:12] of the ... the development on on the north side
[2:51:16] of our boundary in which church stole gold and you
[2:51:19] you talk about your I heard the consultant mention complete
[2:51:22] communities a one understand the relationship between the two sorry
[2:51:26] to take extra time but I hope that this information
[2:51:30] will be helpful to not only members of council but
[2:51:32] the public as well Mr Mayor before somebody answers yet
[2:51:37] we've made the decision to defer the Markham center to
[2:51:41] another date
[2:51:44] okay
[2:51:45] start up information from the city L.
[2:51:49] what's that
[2:51:51] can I have a motion to June move that
[2:51:55] moved by regional council Heath and second by council right
[2:52:00] now we move it to another date and that's the
[2:52:02] only topic that's going to be on the agenda
[2:52:06] all in favor
[2:52:08] opposed carries okay now whoever is supposed to answer your
[2:52:13] question Mr Mayor please answer
[2:52:17] thank you Mr chairman through you start to ... the
[2:52:20] Mayor if I could just share my screen again here
[2:52:28] and I do appreciate the question of land with a
[2:52:30] five minute deputation the Mets ... I have to go
[2:52:33] very quickly ... so the lands in question are here
[2:52:36] if you can see my cursor
[2:52:39] and and over here
[2:52:41] and the and I'm single lands and which are still
[2:52:44] feel are just just about over here
[2:52:51] clear to starting around but the sign clear there was
[2:52:56] a a previous smaller and several I thought the cocktail
[2:52:59] with the lands you just pointed to an which should
[2:53:02] still are they already designated by names ... at all
[2:53:05] or is it is that happening concurrently
[2:53:09] no assistance Mr Mayor three Mr Jackson and answer the
[2:53:12] question D. lands in which are still fell and the
[2:53:15] pocket over here and and and and I hope you
[2:53:18] can see my cursor ... R. M. settles and that
[2:53:21] are already issued by the province and if they have
[2:53:24] rezone the lands to ... a similar use that Sam
[2:53:29] is being requested with respect to the lands here so
[2:53:32] a community that is geared for seniors
[2:53:37] okay so that whole purple outlined the area in which
[2:53:41] it sold well is already approved correct it's one of
[2:53:46] the blue as I remember that one I remember that
[2:53:51] one I just didn't appreciate that okay so site sorry
[2:53:55] to break your flow of trying to the question I
[2:53:57] just want to get back where to gauge thank you
[2:54:00] no problem happy added to address any questions to help
[2:54:03] clarify the presentation and the Ms that all that is
[2:54:06] required assisted ... it so with respect to the unit
[2:54:09] count you'll see here the notation that of what is
[2:54:12] being ... asked a or what is being proposed R.
[2:54:15] six hundred and sixteen units and I provided a breakdown
[2:54:19] ... in my presentation but I'll mention that again those
[2:54:23] six hundred and sixteen units includes two one hundred unit
[2:54:26] apartment buildings which are proposed to be ... purpose built
[2:54:31] rental for seniors and a hundred and ninety seven townhouse
[2:54:35] units ... as well as two hundred and nineteen single
[2:54:38] detached dwellings
[2:54:43] perhaps this is Jim done version of the album
[2:54:47] of the concept might be helpful
[2:54:51] and on the third page of the concept plan and
[2:54:54] just to clarify a little bit of intersection servicing you'll
[2:54:57] see at that I mentioned the servicing option as if
[2:55:01] you could follow my cursor along here ... for both
[2:55:04] water and wastewater is ... Ward Sam's way ... and
[2:55:08] coming from which are still
[2:55:15] could you run up you're gonna have more could you
[2:55:17] just again reiterate the total size of the urban area
[2:55:25] and how much is and and also kind of maybe
[2:55:29] highlighting it forswear that situated how much is in the
[2:55:33] green belts and the green way
[2:55:37] through you Mr chair D.
[2:55:41] area of the proposed Ms that owes is one hundred
[2:55:44] and ten acres
[2:55:46] approximately thirty nine at acres are in the green belt
[2:55:51] ... you'll see the two areas here
[2:55:53] and natural heritage and the thirty nine acres will not
[2:55:57] or not proposed to be developed a the will continue
[2:56:00] to be protected
[2:56:03] so that's
[2:56:06] just shy about half of the area that would would
[2:56:08] be proposed to be developed
[2:56:12] so the natural heritage area would that also be defined
[2:56:17] as our green Waye system in Markham's official plan just
[2:56:21] so I'm clear
[2:56:24] through you Mr Terry yes that that that's correct ...
[2:56:26] the natural heritage system the greenway system is being protected
[2:56:29] and are
[2:56:31] the consulting team at SLR is working with the T.
[2:56:33] RCA and with mark on to ensure that that's the
[2:56:36] case I believe this is the area here that your
[2:56:38] residence
[2:56:44] and you shorter servicing
[2:56:46] ... and I wasn't really clear guests which is are
[2:56:51] those lines representatives of both water and sewer the orange
[2:56:56] lines are they is one water one sewer
[2:57:01] the Orange Line ... I'll take you through the options
[2:57:04] of this Orange Line that's coming through Sam's way as
[2:57:07] some external sanitary servicing options ...
[2:57:12] what what is proposed or the preferred option for the
[2:57:14] external sanitary servicing is up through Sam's way ... force
[2:57:19] main gravity twinning ... sewage is collected at the pumping
[2:57:22] station and that that is over here if you could
[2:57:24] see the the area where my cursor is ...
[2:57:30] so do we just collected at the pumping station shown
[2:57:32] in games nineteenth Avenue and pumped via the force main
[2:57:35] internally through fly does lands to Sam's way ultimately just
[2:57:39] charging to the main why DSS sewer trunk on Nightline
[2:57:43] and that's the orange I dotted line with the arrows
[2:57:45] that you're seeing there there is the option to twin
[2:57:49] a portion of the story through nuclear arsenal subdivision shown
[2:57:52] in the thin red line ... just here if you
[2:57:56] could again see my cursor
[2:57:59] ... asked the judge that as was suggested by which
[2:58:01] are still feel otherwise it can be a direct force
[2:58:04] main connection all the way to through ... all the
[2:58:07] way tonight line
[2:58:09] another option ... is shown here with the other Orange
[2:58:13] Line ... going across nineteenth Avenue and that's also forced
[2:58:18] me an option so we just collected at the pumping
[2:58:20] station shown at nineteenth Avenue and pumped via forced me
[2:58:23] directly to nine flying why DSS sewer trunk there are
[2:58:28] also two alternatives ... that that have been campus that
[2:58:33] bring ... the sanitary south of but ...
[2:58:39] if the what when where and what is important to
[2:58:41] note is that the sanitary sewer can be provided ...
[2:58:45] it would also provide an opportunity to
[2:58:51] ... to the community or the hamlets ... with respect
[2:58:54] to all of these options that would be the
[2:58:56] with respect to water and through you Mr chair all
[2:58:59] water servicing can be supplied by existing water main connections
[2:59:03] that sounds way and highway forty eight preliminary water modeling
[2:59:07] supports this option so that's the option I walked you
[2:59:10] through earlier there will be no water connection points to
[2:59:13] the Markham system importantly water main extension again can be
[2:59:18] provided to the Dixon hill community to service the hamlet
[2:59:21] and lastly ... there's stormwater management ... that I can
[2:59:26] get into in detail but I can just simply say
[2:59:28] that to onsite onsite stormwater management ponds will treat runoff
[2:59:34] from the Markham and zero two lands east and west
[2:59:36] of the parcels and three stormwater management ponds will be
[2:59:40] provided on the still feel entitled to lands and one
[2:59:43] underground storage facilities provided to treat stormwater on the M.
[2:59:47] settlements I just I do want to clarify though ...
[2:59:51] that I raise these at this overview where these options
[2:59:55] just to ... show that there are options that have
[2:59:59] been considered with the preferred option at Sam's way and
[3:00:02] the options will be explored working with city staff going
[3:00:05] forward in the committee today is not being asked to
[3:00:08] approve any one of the ... options that I walked
[3:00:11] you through
[3:00:13] just one last thing Mr Churkin you shorts at least
[3:00:16] you know not all post secondary but just the major
[3:00:20] collector roles I understand the interface between
[3:00:25] are the 2 communities
[3:00:34] I think that this would be helpful you have to
[3:00:36] bear with me three Mister chair ... Mr Mayor I
[3:00:39] I'm a lawyer not a land use planner so this
[3:00:41] is a job exactly my area of expertise but we
[3:00:44] have ... D. major roads that are showing I you
[3:00:48] have nineteen W. across here ... it does does lands
[3:00:51] are bounded by McAllen ... up to still so road
[3:00:55] that gets a little bit much further north than what
[3:00:57] we're dealing with ... and then highway forty eight that's
[3:01:00] the the boundary of as I mentioned in my presentation
[3:01:05] of the community focuses on connectivity cement connecting the proposed
[3:01:11] community to the community that was approved of the order
[3:01:15] ... rezoned by way of the met and settled into
[3:01:18] which are still fell and the Ms at all in
[3:01:20] Markham ... and provides opportunities for connections right through the
[3:01:24] community and to the commercial of plaza on the other
[3:01:28] side of highway forty eight
[3:01:33] I hope that answers your question Mr Mayor thank you
[3:01:37] thanks Mr chair what one question I have
[3:01:41] do not map
[3:01:49] there isn't
[3:01:55] all the lands all the lands and still built that
[3:01:58] are in the Ms and all Ms not all have
[3:02:01] been approved by still built council is that correct
[3:02:07] the lands that are in is still still ... have
[3:02:10] been zoned for development by way of the minister zoning
[3:02:13] order ends ...
[3:02:16] there was a in that the highway forty eight visioning
[3:02:19] exercise that was under way that considered the development of
[3:02:22] the disease a statement of of both Markham and which
[3:02:26] are still felt dot division ing exercise has now been
[3:02:30] converted to a land use studies so we are with
[3:02:33] Markham and and which are still full staff working through
[3:02:36] that exercise ... with our client and it's planners and
[3:02:41] ... engineers and transportation consultants an environmental consultants ... we
[3:02:46] are also working through the draft plan of subdivision process
[3:02:50] Mister chair my question is if this is gone through
[3:02:54] several built council and they have
[3:02:57] ... the Ms at all they're working down to the
[3:03:00] property sector
[3:03:03] that is correct Mister chair thank you for clarifying that
[3:03:06] it that is correct but council in which are still
[3:03:09] feel did support and the Ms that ... that was
[3:03:12] issued a rezoning the lands and in which are still
[3:03:16] okay now
[3:03:18] should I take the questions are should I do the
[3:03:20] Deputy that's
[3:03:24] I was gonna do the jacket transcendent
[3:03:28] get finance Jack first on the list is Alan research
[3:03:45] she there
[3:03:47] no
[3:04:11] unmute yourself Alan
[3:04:16] I don't see
[3:04:24] okay next is a
[3:04:27] Peter me eyes that
[3:04:31] okay ... I presume you can hear me I can
[3:04:35] hear you yes a great I'm representing the union will
[3:04:38] residents association in this application you've heard the background from
[3:04:42] ... the previous speakers we strongly endorse the staff recommendation
[3:04:47] that Markham not support this Ms at all request we
[3:04:52] can't undo what's still real is done but Markham conserving
[3:04:55] speak for itself and the U. R. A. has always
[3:04:58] opposed spot zoning that goes against official plans or secondary
[3:05:02] plans come in the staff report really says it all
[3:05:06] the R.
[3:05:07] regional comprehensive municipal comprehensive reviews under way it's going to
[3:05:11] produce a lands needs assessment that'll tell us the appropriate
[3:05:16] amount location and freezing of any urban boundary expansion from
[3:05:20] Markham and the staff report also points out the need
[3:05:23] for a secondary plan and that was raised in question
[3:05:26] but the Mayor like to collect a road network things
[3:05:29] like that and so until these two plans are in
[3:05:33] place the land use plan and the secondary plan no
[3:05:38] spot zoning should occur I want to note that ...
[3:05:42] the lands are about three kilometers beyond the future urban
[3:05:46] area which is a which is intended to handle handle
[3:05:49] Markham's growth to at least twenty thirty one
[3:05:52] ... and the lands need assessment is very important because
[3:05:56] this white belt land may not be needed until well
[3:05:59] into the future
[3:06:00] you're going to hear it later not today I guess
[3:06:03] but ... that the options for Markham center include a
[3:06:09] population of about a hundred and one thousand
[3:06:12] ... versus forty thousand in the twenty ten growth strategy
[3:06:17] that's sixty thousand people less
[3:06:21] what into the white belt
[3:06:23] that's really important that may tell us that we don't
[3:06:27] need these flat ... lands in Markham until beyond twenty
[3:06:31] fifty one which is the
[3:06:34] the outlook for the uh plan it's important to that
[3:06:37] market may indicate to the ministry that we do not
[3:06:40] support this Ms that'll request the ministry stated publicly that
[3:06:44] every Ms that'll made by the minister on non provincially
[3:06:49] owned land has been at the request of the local
[3:06:51] municipality
[3:06:53] and I'm quoting here the government does not consider municipalities
[3:06:56] to be special interests and what can you do work
[3:06:58] with local governments to accelerate priority provincial and municipal projects
[3:07:03] so it sounds like the ministry will heed Markham's opposition
[3:07:08] to the ends at all and will not issue it
[3:07:11] if we indicate we are opposed and I think we
[3:07:14] should be opposed so let's pursue that path thank you
[3:07:21] any questions of Peter
[3:07:25] seeing none next is Alexis edge
[3:07:30] yeah
[3:07:31] she's
[3:07:33] good morning can you hear me
[3:07:36] yes I can okay great our server good afternoon I
[3:07:40] guess twelve thirty ... thank you I chaired committee members
[3:07:44] I appreciate the opportunity to ... to speak to you
[3:07:47] today on item seven point two ... my name's Alexis
[3:07:51] I chill well and I live in Markham village I
[3:07:53] previously spoke to issues related to this area in may
[3:07:57] of last year I just want to take this very
[3:08:00] brief opportunity to acknowledge all of your hard work and
[3:08:02] service in our community at this extraordinary time ... I've
[3:08:07] been following long waste your meetings and communications your immense
[3:08:10] efforts to keep our constituency state and supported has not
[3:08:14] gone unnoticed so I just wanted to take a moment
[3:08:17] to say thank you
[3:08:18] ... I'm here today to encourage you to adopt planning
[3:08:22] staff's recommendation and should not endorse this Ms at all
[3:08:25] on the northern edge of marca I think it's really
[3:08:28] important that we decouple the request from the applicant our
[3:08:33] gratitude to Mr until of for his generosity in our
[3:08:36] community is universal however it's incredibly vital that we disentangle
[3:08:42] the philanthropy from the facts associated with this case ...
[3:08:47] blinder anonymous recruiting and job applications are now extremely common
[3:08:51] I might argue that we may be using anonymous development
[3:08:56] applications out sometime soon so we can really fairly consider
[3:09:00] the implications of request like these so today I implore
[3:09:03] you to suspend your bias and consider this case through
[3:09:07] the lens of an average citizen here today asking to
[3:09:10] be exempted from a process that keeps all of us
[3:09:14] healthy able to meet lifecycle financial obligations and considers the
[3:09:19] long term needs of future generations
[3:09:22] and Santos I would argue invite chaos taking in orderly
[3:09:26] and transparent process and incinerating it staff and city wide
[3:09:31] priorities are shuffled from projects that are already in the
[3:09:34] queue and landowners patiently waiting for consideration are penalized as
[3:09:39] a result this chaos cost time time costs money and
[3:09:43] what was supposed to be sold as a tool for
[3:09:46] cutting so called red tape in actual fact could make
[3:09:49] more of it as a local taxpayer I contribute to
[3:09:52] the professional the planning department's here end up the region
[3:09:56] Ms it does cut out the expertise of our professional
[3:09:59] planners and associated conservation authority so I ask you is
[3:10:03] the perceived short term benefit of this and that ...
[3:10:07] override the long term cost of the chaos it creates
[3:10:12] the intent of these tools were historically in urgent circumstances
[3:10:16] where there was a declared emergency ... queen's park now
[3:10:21] courage is their water use is part of a COVID
[3:10:23] recovery strategy to bring shovel ready products projects online rapidly
[3:10:28] unlike the previous and settled here today this is not
[3:10:32] shovel ready it is not solving a local universally agreed
[3:10:38] upon emergency even though it might offer some affordable housing
[3:10:42] which I'd knowledge is the dire region wide crisis this
[3:10:46] highly difficult car dependent location is mismatched to this challenge
[3:10:52] at the region their ongoing conversations about servicing the critical
[3:10:56] importance of which is not to be under under rated
[3:10:59] we don't have clear answers from the region
[3:11:03] for up already approved growth ... in our region and
[3:11:07] how that will be managed so we don't have answers
[3:11:10] for this location either does anyone have an answer to
[3:11:13] whether we can afford to service this area over the
[3:11:15] lifespan of the infrastructure who will be denied servicing capacity
[3:11:20] to accelerated development here endorsing this concept prematurely presents a
[3:11:25] massive risk when we just don't have the solutions in
[3:11:29] place right I don't see how this committee can justify
[3:11:32] endorsing and I'm set out when the project is not
[3:11:35] at all shovel ready my last point I'll try and
[3:11:38] wrap up very quickly B. where the unforeseen consequences of
[3:11:41] endorsing this some of you are are thinking this is
[3:11:44] just a small thirty somebody or parcel tiny footprint in
[3:11:48] the context of the big wide world but it is
[3:11:51] beyond urgent that we meeting fully consider future growth with
[3:11:56] greenhouse gas emissions emissions in mind growth must adhere to
[3:12:00] a robot robust mitigation strategy and my fear that it
[3:12:04] is the decision here today triggers a domino effect the
[3:12:07] urbanized is Marcus remaining farmland in the northeast this and
[3:12:11] that ... could be the third edge at the edge
[3:12:14] of the wedge that launches an assault on the lands
[3:12:16] not currently within the urban boundary you call them white
[3:12:20] belts I called them prime agricultural lands and class one
[3:12:23] soil they are exceptionally rare and we have a shared
[3:12:26] obligation to protect them they both represent our best opportunity
[3:12:31] to sequester carbon and make prudent use of ecosystem services
[3:12:36] one thing is for sure we cannot do any of
[3:12:40] those things if we allow organization to take them out
[3:12:43] of service we're in a climate crisis the way to
[3:12:46] emerge from called it is not to loosen the policies
[3:12:48] that help us preserve a livable planet for future generations
[3:12:52] we must lean into those policies and make them more
[3:12:55] robust please respect the recommendations you're planning professionals thank you
[3:13:01] thank you any questions of Alexia 9 regional council he
[3:13:07] I have ... no questions ... Mister chair I thought
[3:13:10] that presentation was the one of the best I've ever
[3:13:12] heard I just would like her to submit it to
[3:13:15] the clerk clearly she was reading yet ... and therefore
[3:13:19] it's written down and therefore I'd like to have it
[3:13:21] in the record yes she would submit it to the
[3:13:23] clerk so that we can I read it as well
[3:13:28] later
[3:13:29] and I must say I admire the picture in the
[3:13:31] background although you'll never create a market like that Alexis
[3:13:35] because we ain't got no amounts but everything else we're
[3:13:38] trying to do thank you
[3:13:41] now it a lane Ms Valentine a researcher is here
[3:13:45] ready to go
[3:13:50] hi there arm just give me one second yeah
[3:13:54] see for her my name is Alan research
[3:13:58] I'm the owner of kind yoga a small business that
[3:14:01] is operated in mark and for the past five and
[3:14:03] a half years I was raised on these agricultural lands
[3:14:07] and was immensely privileged to have natural nature directly outside
[3:14:11] my doorstep
[3:14:12] giant trees and wild grasses as my please state whenever
[3:14:16] I desired I think wrap these lands became so much
[3:14:19] more than a playground he became where I got my
[3:14:21] first job where I learned the value and satisfaction of
[3:14:24] hard work the work that goes into growing harvesting and
[3:14:27] delivering the food that nourishes me day in and day
[3:14:30] out
[3:14:32] at eighteen years old I left home and traveled explored
[3:14:35] many corners of the world mesmerized by the beauty of
[3:14:37] these places but deep down I miss home I miss
[3:14:40] Ontario and our beautiful lush farmland in the powerful community
[3:14:43] that exists within it sometimes it takes leading to realize
[3:14:47] what you left behind I had spent time in places
[3:14:50] where the soil is so dry and undernourished that food
[3:14:53] is frighteningly scarce I saw places where clean water was
[3:14:56] a luxurious expense and a resource that is not easily
[3:14:59] accessed I saw places where communities are struggling day by
[3:15:03] day make ends meet because of their lack of natural
[3:15:06] resources
[3:15:07] growing up my aunt and uncle always told me to
[3:15:10] whom much is given much is expected and those words
[3:15:13] have stuck like glue we stand on some of the
[3:15:16] world's richest yet most endangered soil which provide which provides
[3:15:20] the most basic human need food we must protect it
[3:15:25] twenty sixteen census of agriculture reports at a hundred and
[3:15:28] seventy five acres of workable farmland are lost every day
[3:15:31] to development that's one average size farm vanishing every forty
[3:15:36] eight hours many are unaware that tragically once developed or
[3:15:40] converted to other uses farmland is permanently lost for agricultural
[3:15:44] purposes for thousands of years
[3:15:46] the loss of this land is an urgent issue issue
[3:15:49] and due to the unsustainable urban expansion practices of the
[3:15:52] past century much of the world's food producing soil has
[3:15:56] been subject to sailing the station erosion drought flooding and
[3:16:00] permanent degradation as concerns about climate change and the loss
[3:16:04] of in the invaluable land escalate many worry about food
[3:16:08] scarcity and many producing countries around the world are facing
[3:16:12] the same pressures due to endangered farmland in a world
[3:16:15] that is on the verge of a critical tipping point
[3:16:18] of a global climate catastrophe supporting this and DO which
[3:16:22] would destroy more of our land some of our country's
[3:16:24] most valuable and would be a calamitous mistake another shameful
[3:16:29] addition to our history textbooks we're running out of time
[3:16:33] environmental scientists warned that humans have very little time meeting
[3:16:36] to change our direction before the world as we know
[3:16:39] it faces your reversible damage I speak on behalf of
[3:16:43] my generation when I say that was beyond frightened of
[3:16:46] the impending consequences of past generations environmental choices
[3:16:51] over the past five and a half years two thousand
[3:16:53] plus students out my yoga studio which is surrounded by
[3:16:56] farm fields and nature's have connected with the lan experiences
[3:17:00] experiencing it's healing capabilities they're becoming more passionate about its
[3:17:05] importance as a result I speak for myself and our
[3:17:08] community when I say that this land is a rare
[3:17:10] gem increasingly more valuable as the struggle with climate change
[3:17:14] worsens we live in a world of finite resources and
[3:17:18] the long term damage to the Rouge river watershed and
[3:17:21] our rich lands that we so heavily rely and will
[3:17:23] cause your personal damage supporters of this Ms Addo CD's
[3:17:27] rich lands located just outside the city as flashing neon
[3:17:31] dollar signs choosing to turn their heads from looming environmental
[3:17:34] consequences I speak from the perspective of someone from the
[3:17:37] younger generation time is not in our favor but we
[3:17:41] have just enough of it to fix mistakes and make
[3:17:44] things right I urge you to make the logical and
[3:17:47] ethical choice and refuses Ms auto and meeting believe protect
[3:17:51] our farmland and watersheds for future generations thank you
[3:18:00] regional council he I'm the same age I think she
[3:18:04] has a written speech she gave a very well ...
[3:18:07] and it was right in front of Ryan I don't
[3:18:08] know but if she does I'd like to read it
[3:18:10] again so do you have a written speech Alan yes
[3:18:14] all then please give it and send it into the
[3:18:16] clerk ... it was very good and birch I have
[3:18:19] to ask who is your and local I. J. in
[3:18:23] Merion research oh oh oh oh your I know him
[3:18:27] well thank you
[3:18:28] your uncle
[3:18:30] next is Valerie Berkes
[3:18:36] next
[3:18:45] who should
[3:18:49] she there
[3:18:53] Valerie Berkey and their
[3:18:55] we will catch up in a minute if you still
[3:18:57] are
[3:18:58] one of
[3:19:00] what happened to 6
[3:19:04] Maryland Ginsburg's
[3:19:06] it's
[3:19:10] hello regional councillor Jones can you save me I can
[3:19:13] see your iPhone Maryland's iPhone I don't see your picture
[3:19:18] I can hear you let me see
[3:19:23] okay
[3:19:24] now we can see
[3:19:26] right thank you my name is Maryland Ginsburg I've lived
[3:19:29] in Thornhill for thirty nine years I'm opposed to the
[3:19:33] flood of development application for items that ... I understood
[3:19:37] the reason for them on trying application it did not
[3:19:40] oppose
[3:19:41] having said that you could not have scheduled a more
[3:19:43] dramatic contrast and to Ms that ... applications if you
[3:19:47] tried
[3:19:49] in my view there is one reason and only one
[3:19:52] reason that any member of Markham council would focus in
[3:19:55] favor of the slot allow publication
[3:19:58] that is because water development is a local up standing
[3:20:02] developer and is owned by a local civic minded nice
[3:20:06] guy that is all this application has going for it
[3:20:10] is not enough bands diminish and degrade the entire planning
[3:20:15] protests of the city of Markham I hope not because
[3:20:19] there are quite a few other upstanding local developers who
[3:20:23] are civic minded nice guys just waiting in the wings
[3:20:26] to see how this application is handled before they get
[3:20:30] on the bandwagon and request their own themselves
[3:20:35] so what does this application have against it everything else
[3:20:39] to begin with it doesn't comply with the basic requirements
[3:20:42] the minister so anymore the sounds that ... would not
[3:20:46] be used to protect our facilitate matters of provincial interest
[3:20:50] any more than any other housing development anywhere in Markham
[3:20:53] or in the rest of Ontario in spite of the
[3:20:56] developers now including what they're calling seniors rentals not good
[3:21:01] enough we are not working which church still overall and
[3:21:04] there is no critical time period for this development no
[3:21:08] lost opportunity
[3:21:10] after recognizing that the application simply does not comply with
[3:21:14] the basic elements of it and said oh we move
[3:21:17] on to some of the other reasons why it should
[3:21:19] not be approved
[3:21:22] as a matter rock American farmers stated in his written
[3:21:25] submission the constant destruction of agricultural land for housing is
[3:21:30] endangering Canada's food security and water quality and supply we
[3:21:35] cannot continue to go blindly down this path and it
[3:21:39] nor the effects it will have on future generations at
[3:21:42] some point we have to begin to live up to
[3:21:44] our responsibilities to them why not now
[3:21:49] Mr rock also raised another excellent point where council approves
[3:21:53] and Ms at all for this kind of project it
[3:21:56] serves the developer but ignores the planners the environmentalists the
[3:22:01] conservationist the agriculturalist and the rights of ordinary citizens who
[3:22:06] voted you all into office in order to serve our
[3:22:10] interests and plan our city in a way that makes
[3:22:13] sense for all of us in the long run
[3:22:17] what else would you have to ignore in order to
[3:22:20] vote in favor of this application you'd have to ignore
[3:22:23] the York region official plan two thousand ten the Markham
[3:22:28] official plan two thousand fourteen the local zoning bylaw and
[3:22:32] the recommendations of your own planning staff
[3:22:36] Furthermore you would have to ignore the very definition and
[3:22:39] purpose of planning
[3:22:41] this application that you have before you has nothing to
[3:22:44] do with planning this is what you're planning staff is
[3:22:47] trying to tell you this is reacting the residents of
[3:22:51] Markham elected you to plan responsibly for our future not
[3:22:56] to react favorably to every Ms auto application that every
[3:23:00] nice developer brings before you as the deputation by the
[3:23:04] Unionville residents association said this is spot zoning and I
[3:23:08] might add sponsoring of the worst kind
[3:23:12] over the past several years Markham council and many other
[3:23:16] municipalities have strongly objected when the province increased the use
[3:23:21] of Ms ... does when it increased the authority of
[3:23:24] the local planning appeals tribunal when it diminish the authority
[3:23:29] of the Toronto region conservation authority and when the province
[3:23:33] decrease the required park land allotment for each new housing
[3:23:37] development and why did you object to these changes
[3:23:42] because they all decrease your ability to plan your sit
[3:23:45] these future
[3:23:47] if you approve this new flat ... Ms Addo you
[3:23:50] diminish your own authority to plan when you lose you
[3:23:54] then lose credibility with your residence and Markham's residents associations
[3:24:00] because we see the inconsistency you cannot object when the
[3:24:04] province diminishes your authority to plan and then intentionally and
[3:24:08] publicly do it yourself
[3:24:11] make no mistake this application is as one of the
[3:24:16] previous doctor Chen said the financial the wedge a future
[3:24:20] Ms that ... applications for developers who want to avoid
[3:24:24] the cost house bill and delay admittedly that is involved
[3:24:28] in allowing you to actually use your authority and exercise
[3:24:33] your responsibility as elected officials to plan for the long
[3:24:37] term and sustainable future of our city
[3:24:41] I agree with the mayor the planning process has problems
[3:24:45] but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater
[3:24:48] I urge you to stick with the plan and turning
[3:24:51] down this application thank you for your attention
[3:24:56] questions aha Matthew rock
[3:25:08] good afternoon Mr chairman here me yes we can't
[3:25:12] my name is not rock
[3:25:14] I would like to address the chair and mayor in
[3:25:17] council
[3:25:20] I'm a farmer Martin I'm a lifelong Markham resident
[3:25:24] and I intend of farm market for the next fifty
[3:25:26] years
[3:25:29] I heard you do not endorse most recent and then
[3:25:31] a request by flight of Development think
[3:25:34] this land is upon the roof watershed minutes on class
[3:25:38] one form and
[3:25:41] it's agricultural land that feeds Aspin underpins our economy
[3:25:46] contrary to public perception Austin park land is a scarce
[3:25:49] resource and we're losing farmland at alarming rates
[3:25:55] the agricultural industry represents nearly half of the Ontario economy
[3:26:02] and development on farmland is the most imminent threat to
[3:26:06] the security of our food and to our economy
[3:26:09] from 1996 to 2016
[3:26:12] Ontario lost one point five million acres of farmland to
[3:26:15] development
[3:26:19] we are of the minuscule
[3:26:22] of the seven billion people on earth who have access
[3:26:24] to clean fresh water
[3:26:27] as we March forward in the twenty first century the
[3:26:30] value of our freshwater resources cannot be understated
[3:26:33] the world knows this
[3:26:35] lane twenty twenty water features BKN trading on the Chicago
[3:26:39] mercantile exchange
[3:26:43] this move indicates the first commodification of water and the
[3:26:47] recognition of the increasing scarcity of clean water in this
[3:26:51] world
[3:26:52] the lands of concern carry significant identifiers including source water
[3:26:57] protection areas
[3:26:58] significant groundwater recharge areas and highly highly vulnerable aquifers
[3:27:05] downlands forested wetlands are crucial in the recharge
[3:27:11] about can you hear me OK
[3:27:14] yes
[3:27:16] yes we can you hear me OK Bustos thank you
[3:27:21] Thurman's forests and wetlands are crucial in the recharge of
[3:27:24] aquifers and the safeguard of our watersheds
[3:27:29] last year in keeping with Martin's official plan market began
[3:27:32] at approximately three thousand acre residential development
[3:27:36] this development constitutes a major to loss of class when
[3:27:39] farmland in the critical impact on sensitive watershed areas
[3:27:44] of these developments zones are known as the Angus one
[3:27:47] the person land the Robinson landed Act for England blocks
[3:27:50] the land stretches from Woodbine Avenue to Macau Roque ...
[3:27:54] major mackenzie drive north Elgin mills road it constitutes the
[3:27:58] majority of three major American blocks hundred twenty million square
[3:28:02] feet
[3:28:04] and or 12 square corners of my concern
[3:28:08] and those are not consistent with markings official plan estate
[3:28:12] sustainable and complete communities and zero compromise their ... planning
[3:28:16] processes and practices and zero circumvent public engagement and this
[3:28:21] indicates that citizens scientists and planners input is not considered
[3:28:26] in it's not important
[3:28:29] this and that ... will compromise their crash water little
[3:28:32] compromise our food security and ... compromise our
[3:28:36] the need for short term gain will permanently destroy
[3:28:41] Mr Sparling administer fresh water
[3:28:44] we need to think about long term investments
[3:28:47] please adopt a staff recommendation and notify the minister of
[3:28:50] housing and municipal affairs as well as MPP Paul Calandra
[3:28:54] that this and that I was on welcome and not
[3:28:57] in keeping with markets growth strategy thank you
[3:29:01] next is a Richard Reese are
[3:29:15] you can see here okay I'm here yeah good afternoon
[3:29:20] okay
[3:29:24] go ahead
[3:29:25] Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor council town staff and administrative support
[3:29:29] staff
[3:29:31] I appreciate the work you do is elected representatives and
[3:29:34] public servants
[3:29:37] I recognize that the way to the office is heavy
[3:29:39] in difficult times and faced with difficult issues
[3:29:42] you for your service
[3:29:45] I recently learned of the MTO request by flight or
[3:29:48] developments for properties on nineteenth Avenue east of McAllen
[3:29:53] I'm speaking today to voice some concerns and to raise
[3:29:56] some questions
[3:29:58] I will first introduce myself
[3:30:01] I am writing as a partner in a farm business
[3:30:03] based in Markham style area our farming operation produces crops
[3:30:08] on multiple properties within Markham and York region and elsewhere
[3:30:13] in southwestern Ontario
[3:30:16] and so the stir United States we primarily produce fresh
[3:30:20] market vegetables
[3:30:22] no doubt many of you have consumed some of my
[3:30:24] products
[3:30:26] I will I'd also that for number of years I
[3:30:28] served the town in Markham on the agricultural advisory committee
[3:30:33] I have an interesting public policy and in particular through
[3:30:37] it
[3:30:38] and sustainable food systems policy
[3:30:41] so it is through this lens that I won't comment
[3:30:44] today
[3:30:46] I would like to add a disclosure
[3:30:49] I'm speaking today as an individual with a long history
[3:30:52] of farming in the community
[3:30:56] I also have a relationship with the lands in question
[3:30:58] due to a family connections with the previous farming family
[3:31:02] N. as a farmer on the land in question in
[3:31:04] recent years I also the farm properties in Markham one
[3:31:08] by the town so I have an interesting maintaining farmlands
[3:31:11] within mark although I would argue my interest in maintaining
[3:31:15] Farmington market are not financially related
[3:31:21] I'm sure many of you have been made aware of
[3:31:23] the classification of the remaining farmlands within markets namely that
[3:31:27] they are primarily class one and class two farm lands
[3:31:31] these types of land are characterized as having good natural
[3:31:34] fertility Armacell type that is not drone drug problem and
[3:31:40] the lands are naturally sloped providing good natural drainage without
[3:31:43] being at risk of erosion
[3:31:47] by and large this describes a property being considered for
[3:31:50] development
[3:31:53] there are other features to mark and farm land that
[3:31:55] are less likely to be appreciated
[3:31:57] as a former operating across the white production area I
[3:32:01] have the privilege to be able to manage crops across
[3:32:04] a wide range of soil types implemented conditions
[3:32:08] based on this experience I can say without reservation
[3:32:13] at the farm lands contain within working among are among
[3:32:16] the best I farm
[3:32:18] this is due to soil type it also has to
[3:32:21] do with a moderate
[3:32:24] excuse me Sir
[3:32:27] has to do with the moderating effects of the Great
[3:32:29] Lakes that surround our growing region
[3:32:33] the lakes provide
[3:32:35] last year for regular rainfall making irrigation and necessary
[3:32:40] additionally the lakes provide a barrier that keeps airborne tests
[3:32:44] from coming into our region from the southern U. S.
[3:32:47] and therefore minimizing the need for either synthetic or botanical
[3:32:52] pest control in short marking lands can produce high yielding
[3:32:56] crops of high quality with the fewest resources
[3:33:01] this is why I am interested in this issue in
[3:33:04] the end C. O. application before us
[3:33:08] in light of these factors I will eventually be questions
[3:33:11] for you to consider
[3:33:13] one
[3:33:14] have you considered the local environment environmental impact of removing
[3:33:18] in perpetuity high quality land which provides ecosystem services and
[3:33:24] naturally produces high quality crops for our community
[3:33:28] question to
[3:33:30] have you considered the larger environmental questions related to climate
[3:33:33] change namely that by removing highly productive land in mark
[3:33:38] and you are all things being equal transferring agricultural production
[3:33:42] to region of the world not currently in agricultural production
[3:33:46] it is most likely that the lands needed to be
[3:33:49] brought into production are either tropical forests rangelands these are
[3:33:54] lands containing substantial carbon sinks both in the trees covering
[3:33:57] the lands
[3:34:01] and his style organic matter present in the soil's carbon
[3:34:05] sinks that will be released into the environment exacerbating the
[3:34:08] problems associated with climate change
[3:34:12] question three have you considered the opportunities keeping the Markham
[3:34:17] farmlands and agricultural production have for both economic activity and
[3:34:22] the social well being of your credit and your citizens
[3:34:26] question for
[3:34:27] have you done an analysis which considers the economic environmental
[3:34:32] and social benefits to estimate the net present value and
[3:34:37] keeping the land in agriculture compared to developing it and
[3:34:40] destroying it in perpetuity
[3:34:44] I will summarize by asking what is the rush to
[3:34:47] decide
[3:34:49] I encourage you to take some time to reflect
[3:34:55] Martin soils and nursed my family and the wider American
[3:34:58] community for
[3:35:00] well over
[3:35:01] 200 years
[3:35:03] all
[3:35:05] before that the same soils provided food security for the
[3:35:08] wind that makes and populated region
[3:35:16] as a council
[3:35:18] you're in position to make a decision that will have
[3:35:20] everlasting consequence
[3:35:23] I urge you to take your time choose wisely
[3:35:28] thank you for the opportunity to share my concerns thanks
[3:35:31] thanks for your
[3:35:33] I guess another another recent generation
[3:35:37] open normal
[3:35:39] Mr
[3:35:40] regional councillor eight ... thank you right I don't know
[3:35:44] if Richard sent in his comments I know the previous
[3:35:47] speaker hats ... ... I don't what Richard did you
[3:35:51] send in the comments or your because clearly you're reading
[3:35:54] something and it's very important but agriculture ... yes you
[3:35:59] haven't said that in the clerk yes senator the clerk
[3:36:03] I'd appreciate that thank you
[3:36:06] okay thanks Richard Jack Reacher
[3:36:11] it's
[3:36:13] thank you for the opportunity to speak today can everybody
[3:36:16] hear me okay I can hear you but I don't
[3:36:18] know we are I see it now okay ... I
[3:36:22] would like to speak up for the city
[3:36:25] even though council does not have the pecuniary interest in
[3:36:28] the development project I feel like the city does the
[3:36:32] city has signed contracts with water developments force once you
[3:36:35] have a flatter market view perhaps some of the things
[3:36:37] that I'm not aware off and these contracts are not
[3:36:40] insignificant
[3:36:42] on the fire I understand it correctly that the city
[3:36:44] will receive over two million dollars on over the course
[3:36:47] of the contracts ... correct me if I'm wrong on
[3:36:50] any of these things so this being the case I
[3:36:53] believe it is inappropriate for the city to receive applications
[3:36:56] replied of Development at this time while being a beneficiary
[3:36:59] of Saddam's generosity of the city
[3:37:02] ... to avoid any hint of conflict of interest I
[3:37:05] would encourage plateau to consider making their generous contributions in
[3:37:10] other ways in the community I feel really strongly that
[3:37:13] for our flagship to be ... giving money to the
[3:37:16] city for very good things and then coming to the
[3:37:19] city for ...
[3:37:23] favors not a favor by making significant request of the
[3:37:27] of the of the city I think that it's
[3:37:30] inappropriate and ... I want to encourage flagyl and thank
[3:37:34] them for their generosity but I think it makes for
[3:37:36] a very difficult decision for council so for the above
[3:37:39] mentioned reason I would encourage you expect council to reject
[3:37:42] this application and to follow staff's advice three gardens application
[3:37:46] continue the plan growth in the bottom of the market
[3:37:49] is known for
[3:37:51] so thanks yup to speak today and ... to Mary
[3:37:54] counsel if you continue to make important decisions ... in
[3:37:59] very challenging times thanks very much
[3:38:02] okay thank you
[3:38:05] I have the lawyer from Dentons if she wants to
[3:38:08] say anything more and then secure and then we'll go
[3:38:11] to lunch this
[3:38:20] thank you Mr chair ... I defer to Mister ram
[3:38:23] a to let this time since I did have an
[3:38:24] opportunity to speak unless there are specific questions for me
[3:38:30] so she here with your permission I would just basically
[3:38:34] first of all like to thank each and every one
[3:38:37] who spoke and I respect all over their concerns ...
[3:38:42] I believe in farming I believe in farms I believe
[3:38:46] everybody in everybody doing business to raise their family all
[3:38:51] have to work everybody has their own way of ...
[3:38:54] earning money somebody's a farmer somebody's a doctor somebody's under
[3:38:57] somebody works at Tim Horton's somebody is going to be
[3:39:00] building communities we all have our own things we respect
[3:39:04] everybody as far as trees and Rouge and environment is
[3:39:09] concerned I think I am very very very big supporter
[3:39:13] of the trees the environment and the green spaces if
[3:39:17] you can see on the plan you have to look
[3:39:20] at it very carefully a lot of land surrounding this
[3:39:24] ... proposed a community which is like very very very
[3:39:28] small if you look at it ... the over plan
[3:39:30] of the city of Markham eight it's like it's protected
[3:39:34] by a green belt we're not requesting the province or
[3:39:37] anyone to touch the green belt we're not proposing anything
[3:39:40] on the green belt
[3:39:42] this green belt was studied by the province and Bambi's
[3:39:46] lines were drawn up and we're respecting them the city
[3:39:49] of Markham has commented on the natural heritage system they
[3:39:52] have the the Markham Green Bay plan if you look
[3:39:56] at on our on our proposal the line ... which
[3:39:59] we believe is smaller than what the town is proposing
[3:40:03] so we're respecting what the city of Markham is proposed
[3:40:06] because we know all the city of Markham has done
[3:40:08] a lot of work they have a hard environmental experts
[3:40:11] and they must have studied this for a long time
[3:40:15] which I know the date and then the lines were
[3:40:17] drawn so we respecting them as far as working with
[3:40:20] the with the city and their trees ... and all
[3:40:24] those things we are going to be working with the
[3:40:25] tier CA one hundred percent the application which was approved
[3:40:29] by the city of Markham in our first ... Ms
[3:40:32] that'll in Markham ... ... last year we ... tron
[3:40:38] is the city of Markham and that's exactly what we
[3:40:40] have done that we would come in for a draft
[3:40:42] plan ... application I am of subdivision which we have
[3:40:47] done and then we are going to have a statutory
[3:40:49] public meeting through which we are going to listen to
[3:40:52] each and everyone in the general public which we have
[3:40:55] done so we have a we have completed all the
[3:40:57] studies we had a pre consultation meeting after the ministers
[3:41:00] on an order was issued we had a public we
[3:41:03] we had a complete consultation meeting we were required to
[3:41:05] do a number of studies which we have done ...
[3:41:09] including an environmental study we met with the T. R.
[3:41:11] C. A. R. consultants our staff we all met with
[3:41:15] with the DRC A. we walk the site and the
[3:41:18] tears you came back and said no no guys you
[3:41:20] need doing trees a little bit of a buffer over
[3:41:22] here we lost a few homes over there we said
[3:41:24] fine because we respected we have to work with everyone
[3:41:27] so we are not touching any language is in the
[3:41:30] green belt or would just protected by the city of
[3:41:32] Markham or by the province yes if you're building yes
[3:41:35] we're gonna build on our own lands but we are
[3:41:37] not affecting any farm land which is owned by anyone
[3:41:41] else and I respect all the farmers out there I
[3:41:43] respect and I like you guys keep on doing what
[3:41:46] you guys are doing because you feed you feed us
[3:41:48] like I do my job you do your job the
[3:41:51] dentist will do their job the doctor will do their
[3:41:53] job we all need different professions to do their things
[3:41:57] so I respect all of you guys I respect all
[3:42:00] of your comments we are going to work with the
[3:42:03] with the city and with the tier CA and with
[3:42:05] the region once the ministers on orders approved we are
[3:42:09] just getting the designation we have to come back to
[3:42:11] the city for a pre consultation meeting and then the
[3:42:14] city will tell us do these ten or twelve studies
[3:42:17] will do those studies Dan will have to post a
[3:42:20] board on the sign on the site of what we're
[3:42:23] proposing the end there will be a statutory public meeting
[3:42:26] at that time then people will come in they will
[3:42:28] go to the DSE then it will come back to
[3:42:30] the council then we'll come back to be Essien council
[3:42:32] again for the site plan applications so that's the process
[3:42:37] we will be going through and then the major major
[3:42:39] major thing I would just like to clarify maybe some
[3:42:42] of the speakers ... and some of the people may
[3:42:44] not know is that this development and bees drawings are
[3:42:47] not doing the justice because store will has developments planned
[3:42:51] along highway forty eight between nineteen th Avenue and stole
[3:42:55] will wrote there's going to be a lot of developments
[3:42:58] coming by a lot of different companies and they have
[3:43:01] amazing plans so this is going to be connected this
[3:43:04] proposed parcel is going to be connected to the approved
[3:43:08] development so the roads are going to get connected there's
[3:43:11] a lot of great things happening over here there's going
[3:43:14] to be a community park
[3:43:15] ... install bill we are proposing to more parks there's
[3:43:19] gonna be a community center a new community center in
[3:43:22] the town of stole bill which is gonna be walking
[3:43:24] distance from this site so we are not looking to
[3:43:28] work all the benefits and all the things that's going
[3:43:31] to provide benefits is one thing but the major justification
[3:43:35] over here and it is that it's can it's continuous
[3:43:38] it's continuous development to the existing proposed approved not proposed
[3:43:43] to the approved community so we're not just going out
[3:43:46] there in the middle of nowhere and just building homes
[3:43:49] we are going to be building a community we're not
[3:43:53] just building homes we're gonna help Parks we're gonna have
[3:43:55] seniors housing seniors housing which is going to be ...
[3:43:59] which is gonna of amenities for the seniors it's gonna
[3:44:01] be purpose built rental for the seniors we are going
[3:44:04] to have town homes which are going to be twenty
[3:44:06] three foot wide ... and ... and and up to
[3:44:10] twenty six foot white so that they can have a
[3:44:12] secondary suite on the main floor the single detached homes
[3:44:15] ... ... ... up the twenty five percent of the
[3:44:18] homes will point bedrooms on the main floor so that
[3:44:21] they can be accommodated ... with the seniors we're gonna
[3:44:24] have ... we're going to respect the seniors guidelines which
[3:44:27] I understand the city Markham it is developing such as
[3:44:30] ... making sure that the entrance steps are flush to
[3:44:33] the ground there's many many many things that we are
[3:44:36] proposing and I think we should take this as a
[3:44:38] big opportunity the guys what we can do over here
[3:44:41] how we can work together when we have Province listening
[3:44:44] to us this is writing over time we all talk
[3:44:47] about housing crisis we all talk about doing this we
[3:44:51] all talk about seniors housing how we can help the
[3:44:54] seniors how we can provide affordable housing now when we
[3:44:57] have this opportunity guys we all have to work together
[3:45:00] city market was blessed with amazing councillors with the women
[3:45:04] with great staff members I think we're all smart people
[3:45:06] over here we can work out a plan it through
[3:45:09] which we can respond to do housing crisis city of
[3:45:13] Markham last week had this ...
[3:45:15] meeting and and staff spoke well and I heard councillor
[3:45:19] speaking as well that there's a requirement for affordable housing
[3:45:22] there's there's requirement for seniors housing how we can make
[3:45:25] things affordable but if council is not gonna be making
[3:45:28] these bold decisions on how we are going to to
[3:45:31] be able to address these are these concerns and I
[3:45:34] respect the stuff the stuff was supposed to write this
[3:45:37] that they cannot support this application because we don't have
[3:45:40] the mandate because these things are supposed to be coming
[3:45:44] from council these are you guys are policy makers so
[3:45:47] you guys will have to direct staff to work with
[3:45:50] us and that's the reason the minister's warning orders required
[3:45:53] now is it legal yes it's a lot through the
[3:45:55] planning act but my major thing is this there's it's
[3:45:59] gonna be can take as development it's gonna be connected
[3:46:01] to store bill ... we have a we have servicing
[3:46:04] solutions available we are working with the town of the
[3:46:07] store will still is gonna have a lot of community
[3:46:10] new things developed along highway forty eight this development is
[3:46:15] going to be connected to do the store will our
[3:46:18] will of the parks will be shared the community center
[3:46:21] will be used by the these read the residents in
[3:46:23] the in the style and there's a big smart center
[3:46:27] plaza there's a Walmart there's grocery stores there's Walmart there's
[3:46:30] Tim Horton's everything is there we are sitting on the
[3:46:33] south side of market maybe and then we're thinking the
[3:46:36] old my daughter's like way far north it is not
[3:46:39] you have to go there you have to drive there
[3:46:41] you have to see this you have to vision we
[3:46:44] are planning for the future
[3:46:47] these things are not going to happen in a day
[3:46:49] we do we have to work together and we have
[3:46:51] to take this opportunity to work together so this is
[3:46:54] my initial response and I'll continue to to respond as
[3:46:56] the questions will will will right thank you
[3:47:01] thank you Mr chair
[3:47:13] your microphones ought Jim Mister chair your microphone is off
[3:47:19] and so I said I'm going to recess until one
[3:47:23] fifty and ... we also have a rescheduling M. A.
[3:47:27] C. to another day so the afternoon is clear okay
[3:47:32] so this is what's on the agenda okay so see
[3:47:36] you back at one fifty
[4:43:05] okay like to get started
[4:43:08] 6
[4:43:11] okay and
[4:43:14] the last time before when before we reconvene councillor councillor
[4:43:19] Valerie Burke listen here now she's here and she liked
[4:43:22] to do different application so Valerie Berkes you're welcome to
[4:43:28] give your justification
[4:43:30] thank you can you hear me I can hear you
[4:43:33] but I can't see okay I can see it now
[4:43:36] thank you ... Mr Mayor and members of development services
[4:43:41] committee
[4:43:42] we strongly urge you to support staff recommendations and tonight's
[4:43:46] Lotto developments ministerial zoning order application in the Rouge watershed
[4:43:52] is requested to develop outside of Markham's urban boundary is
[4:43:56] premature since York region is in the process of conducting
[4:43:59] an official plan review population and employment growth to twenty
[4:44:04] fifty one base Ms that ... does not align with
[4:44:08] a complete and thorough planning process or Markham's official plan
[4:44:12] to build safe sustainable and complete communities it is incumbent
[4:44:16] upon our elected representatives to follow a fair holistic and
[4:44:21] comprehensive planning process with proper evaluation of studies scientific environmental
[4:44:27] analysis and public consultation it is important to note that
[4:44:32] the staff report states undertaking a lands needs assessment at
[4:44:36] a region wide scale ensures a comprehensive approach to growth
[4:44:40] management in an effort to among other things ensure efficient
[4:44:45] use of existing and future infrastructure unquote Markham has always
[4:44:50] endeavored to beef positionally responsible with taxpayer money careful planning
[4:44:55] helps ensure cost effective communities and push it positions us
[4:44:59] favorably in the global economy flood was request for M.
[4:45:04] several application does not align with these principles in conclusion
[4:45:09] Markham council should support staff recommendations and tonight the application
[4:45:15] sincerely Valerie and Dave Burke thank you very much thank
[4:45:19] you the only
[4:45:22] in now I have a speakers list
[4:45:26] hi which accounts for he
[4:45:31] just trying to keep it under five minutes I will
[4:45:35] do my best ... ... and I have no doubt
[4:45:38] I just wanted to know ... ... there is description
[4:45:42] here that ... this could very well be affordable housing
[4:45:46] and so ... I wanted to know what the price
[4:45:49] range they're thinking on the applicant is thinking out for
[4:45:54] the singles and ... for
[4:45:57] ... the townhouses ... what kind of price range ...
[4:46:02] ... are we looking at ... and ...
[4:46:07] how do they fit into the affordable price ranges that
[4:46:11] we have seen our capital region we actually saw here
[4:46:15] ... ... but we can have to go on the
[4:46:18] the mayor's housing or
[4:46:21] Stafford Shakir or someone can they
[4:46:26] no steps ... ... through you Mr chair ... ...
[4:46:31] ... cancer Jackie that's ... that's a very good question
[4:46:35] ... so I'll just touch upon ... the town homes
[4:46:38] first and I had said that we are going to
[4:46:40] be building wider town homes and I must say that
[4:46:43] ... I've got some guidance and some motivation and a
[4:46:46] little bit of push I must agree from
[4:46:49] ... councillor ray because she's always promoting wider town homes
[4:46:53] ... and I've also been working with the the city
[4:46:56] of Markham staff on other applications where data staff has
[4:47:02] commented and they have suggested that we should be incorporating
[4:47:06] us a separate suite on the main floor to accommodate
[4:47:09] seniors or ... or someone else to live on the
[4:47:13] main floor and I know the mayors of housing summit
[4:47:16] spoke about that the City of Markham's ... event last
[4:47:19] week spoke about that so the way to answer your
[4:47:22] question the way the town homes will be affordable so
[4:47:25] for example if the townhouse just selling in Markham for
[4:47:28] example say eight hundred thousand dollars so are townhouse will
[4:47:31] be more less the same price bought
[4:47:34] when the person the the person who will buy that
[4:47:37] townhouse will be living up stairs let's say a guy
[4:47:40] buys it with his he has a wife and he
[4:47:42] has two kids so they're going to be living upstairs
[4:47:44] now they can rent out their main floor to a
[4:47:47] senior so when they rent out their suite to the
[4:47:50] seniors less they collect the rent of say a thousand
[4:47:53] dollars
[4:47:54] now that thousand dollars will help the family the young
[4:47:58] family living upstairs the their mortgage that's how that you
[4:48:02] need these units affordable by having a secondary suite on
[4:48:06] the town homes so once again we're making these town
[4:48:09] homes from twenty three four two up to twenty six
[4:48:12] foot wide that can accommodate a senior suite on the
[4:48:15] main floor we're gonna work with the city of Markham
[4:48:18] staff to have the entrance level flush to the ground
[4:48:22] so that there are ... S. less steps are noise
[4:48:24] steps for the seniors to walk into if somebody has
[4:48:27] a parent or they have their in laws if somebody's
[4:48:30] a senior they can live close to them they can
[4:48:33] age within the community they don't have to have their
[4:48:36] seniors or or or patterns or or in laws or
[4:48:40] to somebody else moved out from the home and as
[4:48:43] you know in Markham it's or anyone she gets really
[4:48:46] difficult and it's it's ... it's hard for a typical
[4:48:51] family to ... to to buy a home these days
[4:48:55] maybe you and I we were able to afford a
[4:48:57] house but when I think of my kids I don't
[4:48:59] know how my kids are going to be able to
[4:49:00] afford homes in Markham will be like really really difficult
[4:49:04] even if they get good jobs it will be really
[4:49:07] challenging so I think we'll see a market is on
[4:49:10] the right track I think the staff is is on
[4:49:13] the right track I think we all are headed towards
[4:49:15] the the right path of of affordability we cannot just
[4:49:20] say that this one particular development is going to be
[4:49:23] affordable without doing these things so these are the things
[4:49:26] we're going to do and I hope ... I answered
[4:49:29] your question councillor heat what about the singles in single
[4:49:34] detached homes what we are proposing twenty five percent of
[4:49:37] the home so we will have a bedroom on the
[4:49:40] main floor for seniors so if a family lives they
[4:49:44] will be able to have their parents live on the
[4:49:46] main for with the bathroom we're gonna have wider hallways
[4:49:50] we're gonna incorporate the seniors the guy I'd like to
[4:49:54] see Markham I believe is working on which will help
[4:49:58] as a family to have their parents live with them
[4:50:02] in their homes I have seen some home some single
[4:50:05] detached homes in Ontario where they have built a bedroom
[4:50:09] on the main for for their for their parents or
[4:50:11] for their in laws that's a very practical thing and
[4:50:14] and and and and once we design it we will
[4:50:16] work closely with your staff to have the north steps
[4:50:20] or is less steps as possible for the so that
[4:50:22] the seniors a wheelchair can comment will make the the
[4:50:25] hallways weiter so that the wheelchair can access we can
[4:50:28] make the bathrooms bigger to accommodate a wheelchair so that
[4:50:31] seniors can go in and take a bathroom so these
[4:50:34] are the things we have to do to make things
[4:50:36] affordable otherwise we see when things are not designed right
[4:50:41] people tried to jam people in and it doesn't work
[4:50:43] and then they have to send out there the parents
[4:50:45] or or or or or seniors outside so the whole
[4:50:50] idea that we are falling for this community is an
[4:50:53] adult lifestyle community
[4:50:55] so so that's what we're doing for senior Sir well
[4:50:58] thank you and I must to and say I appreciate
[4:51:00] your reading my report I helped author vote two years
[4:51:04] ago because you just want one through three or ...
[4:51:07] of items in there and so I really appreciate that
[4:51:10] the last one I don't have the previous sentence general
[4:51:13] had some time pressures ... you know three weeks they
[4:51:17] ... they had a problem with the land ownership etcetera
[4:51:20] I assume you don't have that therefore I assume that
[4:51:24] you would not be ... ... in opposition to a
[4:51:27] community consultation before council actually deals with this ... so
[4:51:32] that we hear from the community so ...
[4:51:35] nope okay so with your permission I would just to
[4:51:38] say that ... see in in our business we're always
[4:51:42] in a rush because when we buy land we have
[4:51:44] to keep on going when we have a plan we
[4:51:46] have to keep on going but I am with you
[4:51:48] one hundred percent that there has to be public consultation
[4:51:52] I agree with all the comments raised today by each
[4:51:55] and every one and it's not like I'm saying I'm
[4:51:57] not going to address anything we're going to address everybody
[4:52:00] concerns raised by all the residents all the citizens and
[4:52:04] all the councillors here so what all we occurred requesting
[4:52:08] for two days a resolution to support this ministers on
[4:52:10] order and settle once this and that was approved we
[4:52:14] will come to the to the city to the city
[4:52:16] well we'll request for drop an application then staff will
[4:52:20] make us do all the studies they they require and
[4:52:23] then we will have a statutory public meeting and through
[4:52:26] that statutory public meeting we will be getting old all
[4:52:29] the import all the comments get the draft and approved
[4:52:33] then we will have to come back again to the
[4:52:35] DSC into the council to work on on the site
[4:52:38] plan because we have two buildings ... I propose for
[4:52:41] seniors purpose built rental for the senior so we'll have
[4:52:44] to come back again so there's gonna be a lot
[4:52:47] of public process and by by seeing the comments and
[4:52:50] the letters and everybody received I think everybody knows about
[4:52:53] this development and and ... somebody's doing a good job
[4:52:56] by spreading the word about this to this proposed Ms
[4:52:59] at all so I don't think they should additional protocol
[4:53:03] on consultation ... now required by how I I give
[4:53:07] you will have the statutory public meeting through the DS
[4:53:10] you will it will it will come to council again
[4:53:12] and during that process if you guys want to have
[4:53:14] another meeting for a public information meeting when the time
[4:53:17] comes hundred percent I will work with you guys by
[4:53:20] we're not however is it not should gear the most
[4:53:24] important decision is the one we're making today and that
[4:53:27] is true we rezone the land so it's residential and
[4:53:30] it's better us ... as opposed to maybe agriculture that
[4:53:34] makes it the most important for the public that would
[4:53:36] be the most important decisions whether we want to do
[4:53:39] in the first place and that's why I'm asking the
[4:53:42] question it's a very good question Sir support the other
[4:53:44] and settled it just stopped when you guys were referring
[4:53:47] to the floor so when we came in over there
[4:53:50] we've got the ministers owning approved we have not even
[4:53:53] put up a sign on the property that we will
[4:53:55] have something coming soon because we are not allowed to
[4:53:58] and we set this to the to the and I
[4:53:59] said myself to the same ... DSE and the same
[4:54:03] council that we're not going to the public until we
[4:54:05] go through the draft approval process until we have the
[4:54:08] site plan approved by the DSE so we are we
[4:54:12] haven't done that for that parcel we're not gonna do
[4:54:14] it for this parcel we have to come back to
[4:54:16] you we respect the process process we respect the the
[4:54:19] the the the policies with respect and we have a
[4:54:22] healthy root good working relationship with the city of Marco
[4:54:25] and we that this and you can put it in
[4:54:27] in in the agreement that we are not allowed to
[4:54:29] market or sell into the draft plan is approved I
[4:54:32] totally agree with that so we will come back into
[4:54:34] the drop in approval there will be public meeting at
[4:54:37] that time you want to do a public information house
[4:54:40] ... and through the site plan process same thing you
[4:54:42] guys will even have to literally you guys will have
[4:54:46] the power of selecting if the color of the break
[4:54:49] on on on on the buildings so Sir some had
[4:54:53] said that I would like to just go ahead and
[4:54:54] start building tomorrow we have to this is a long
[4:54:57] road this is just the start we're just seeking the
[4:55:00] designation so that we can start this is just the
[4:55:03] first step and once again public will be informed there
[4:55:07] will be a public meeting and there will be a
[4:55:09] lot to look like I can and I
[4:55:14] thank you thank you from Sir also right
[4:55:22] thank you I look which is doing questions now right
[4:55:25] yes we are okay ... I have a question for
[4:55:29] general
[4:55:33] where we meeting in the zoning that's attached why we
[4:55:36] meeting duplexes tri plex system detached homes and my favorite
[4:55:40] bungalows bungalow Austin Bunn the town's from the zoning
[4:55:45] this typically set in there that we're not gonna allow
[4:55:47] semi detached duplexes triplexes vortexes
[4:55:53] through the chair this might be a better question actually
[4:55:55] addressed by Bijou our pride from zoning but essentially what
[4:56:00] we were doing was aligning through a technical exercise as
[4:56:04] I indicated in the presentation will staff are not supported
[4:56:06] at the ends in a request we did provide commentary
[4:56:10] to address similar zoning that is currently used within the
[4:56:14] city of Markham so that is generally the the approach
[4:56:18] that we use and with that I'm not sure ...
[4:56:21] Bijou did you want to weigh in on this a
[4:56:23] bit further
[4:56:28] is the brand's online because we brag about rex and
[4:56:31] and write magic yeah
[4:56:34] I thank you through you Mr chair ... a lot
[4:56:37] of the used again what Daryl said was we were
[4:56:40] ... we were aligning the uses with ... with the
[4:56:43] applicant had proposed ... we're trying a single detached dwelling
[4:56:47] dwellings in town as dwellings I believe the base own
[4:56:51] does permit ... semi detached ... tri plex and four
[4:56:55] plex is ... the the other uses are built forms
[4:57:00] that were were described there are not actually uses within
[4:57:03] our bylaw specifically that would fall within one of the
[4:57:05] other category so like a bungalow loft is not actually
[4:57:09] a a defined term so
[4:57:13] okay so in the draft the edits to the draft
[4:57:16] ministers owning or down it says despite paragraph five subsection
[4:57:21] the following uses are not committed in the area shown
[4:57:24] as R. two in this the same thing for the
[4:57:26] R. one semi detached dwelling duplex tri plex and four
[4:57:30] plex like I've been a broken record since twenty fourteen
[4:57:33] we are building detached homes and townhouses there is no
[4:57:38] diverse city in the housing stock that we are being
[4:57:41] built and you're putting this out right there that we're
[4:57:45] not going to look at it all those items Sam
[4:57:48] is a duplex a tri plex is the full plexus
[4:57:51] and if the bank accounts of bungalows have to go
[4:57:53] in a separate that should be included in all zoning
[4:57:56] for all future open areas
[4:57:59] right off the bat
[4:58:01] something may have to build it it's allowing them the
[4:58:04] option to build that we're saying right now is that
[4:58:07] they're not gonna be able to build that in there
[4:58:10] 6
[4:58:15] the issue
[4:58:16] somebody will second that that those those are added into
[4:58:20] the zoning order
[4:58:23] do you have any problems that secure no I actually
[4:58:27] ... command councillor ray ... for raising this in fact
[4:58:30] I spoke with her and ... she had suggested be
[4:58:33] a couple of ... seniors ... buildings ... close to
[4:58:37] the site and I drove ... drove by over there
[4:58:41] and I agreed to her comments and we are happy
[4:58:43] to work with her and and the staff to achieve
[4:58:46] different housing stock I think that is required to achieve
[4:58:49] affordability and to have variation in the streetscape as well
[4:58:53] and to provide different kinds of housing I think the
[4:58:56] idea is our main goal here is how do we
[4:59:00] come up with the community which is age friendly which
[4:59:03] is an adult lifestyle community which is going to serve
[4:59:06] the seniors while providing affordability to these buyers but we
[4:59:11] have been working on with our consulting team is what
[4:59:14] can we do to me immunity
[4:59:17] very different from a typical subdivision in Markham ... what
[4:59:23] can we do how we can do things so I
[4:59:25] think we all are sort of saying the same thing
[4:59:29] I've seen stop working towards the same thing cancer res
[4:59:33] saying the same thing I guess I'm going to work
[4:59:35] so right being the mayors a house housing summit was
[4:59:38] speaking was going towards the same direction last week's meeting
[4:59:42] about affordability was was about the same thing so I
[4:59:45] agree with councillor ray and I'm more than happy to
[4:59:47] work with her and with staff on this thank you
[4:59:49] Sir
[4:59:51] hit second question
[4:59:54] the question okay go ahead at the other question I
[4:59:57] have is there's a discrepancy and I'm sure here if
[5:00:00] you want to one side of your consultants still here
[5:00:02] there's a discrepancy in the letter that you provided to
[5:00:05] the province on what was presented on this slide show
[5:00:08] regarding the number of units so are you can I
[5:00:11] can correct that because they're not councillor raid the the
[5:00:13] numbers have changed because we have introduced parks we have
[5:00:17] made the green space wider because of the natural heritage
[5:00:21] system as requested by the city stop so that has
[5:00:25] eaten into the number of units then we had to
[5:00:29] ... ... amend the plan to accommodate the we have
[5:00:34] to increase the size of this the town homes from
[5:00:37] the typical style home sizes two to twenty three and
[5:00:39] twenty six borders to accommodate the seniors suite on the
[5:00:42] main floor in fact the numbers that you see in
[5:00:44] front of you right now which are like four hundred
[5:00:46] and changed including the two hundred units which is say
[5:00:49] six hundred units those numbers will in fact will further
[5:00:52] go down because we have ... increase the frontage of
[5:00:56] the town homes and we have also increases the frontage
[5:00:59] of of the the singles last winter used to park
[5:01:03] so that's why the numbers have significantly have dropped from
[5:01:07] the initial proposal
[5:01:09] so I'm not sure on who to ask that so
[5:01:11] what happens when the letters already gone into our Steve
[5:01:15] Clark asking for more units how does that get addressed
[5:01:19] so basically when one on staff or a secure like
[5:01:23] that letter would need to be revised
[5:01:26] because the ministers going to stamp his approval or non
[5:01:29] approval depend on what council does on your letter I
[5:01:33] would think she cared me I lost her so basically
[5:01:39] in this resolution which gets approved today ... you will
[5:01:42] be writing to the minister that these are the number
[5:01:44] of units and this is the front page that you
[5:01:46] would like to see and these are the type of
[5:01:48] housing that you would see and this is the zoning
[5:01:50] bylaw that you would like to see the minister to
[5:01:53] approve and that's what we'll do we'll be following because
[5:01:55] that's that's why they've asked you for your comments so
[5:01:58] those are the moments which will be going back to
[5:02:00] the problems
[5:02:02] okay that's all I have two questions Mr chart comments
[5:02:05] later councillor Lee
[5:02:10] thank you Mr chair um well I she
[5:02:13] the previous councillor has already addressed many of my concerns
[5:02:17] I would like to get things that they income of
[5:02:20] plateau for bringing this application up at like I really
[5:02:24] like the idea of having town homes having more it
[5:02:29] a more variety of housing and of course your energy
[5:02:33] on taking care of the families of the seniors as
[5:02:35] well so yeah personally I my family as well ...
[5:02:39] and she and she considering having like a bathroom on
[5:02:42] the ground floor for my rest that book for my
[5:02:45] parents just just in case all week we are going
[5:02:47] to plan ahead well my my my parents are actually
[5:02:50] rate already rich reached senior H. so yeah this is
[5:02:53] actually common and it's a trend so I really commend
[5:02:57] your thought and yet you're for us for for this
[5:03:00] neighborhood so
[5:03:02] exactly what I was saying is that you know we
[5:03:04] all need these things when we are young we don't
[5:03:07] realize these sayings but as we have parents who are
[5:03:10] aging or in Los were aging or aunt or uncle
[5:03:13] living with us was aging then we realize these things
[5:03:15] so so thank you for your comments thank you I
[5:03:18] I really like the idea that that's the thinking councillor
[5:03:21] Irish
[5:03:26] thank you thank you Mr chairman I have three questions
[5:03:30] of the first relates to ... a quote which will
[5:03:33] read from page four of the staff report which is
[5:03:37] York region is expected to release a draft land needs
[5:03:41] assessment for consultation in the coming months which will identified
[5:03:46] the need an appropriate location for any required urban boundary
[5:03:50] expansion in Markham or elsewhere in the region in twenty
[5:03:55] fifty one so the question is and I guess it's
[5:03:59] directed to staff probably ... Daryl's part of the most
[5:04:02] appropriate one in your opinion
[5:04:05] how likely is that review to include urban boundary expansion
[5:04:10] that includes these lands
[5:04:13] also through the chair in response to that it's hard
[5:04:17] to say until we see something come out of the
[5:04:19] reach and that actually provides the draft plan needs assessment
[5:04:23] for us to look at it is unknown how much
[5:04:25] land may or may not be required within the city
[5:04:27] of Markham so to see that it may or may
[5:04:30] not include those lands staff are not aware at this
[5:04:33] point about whether it would or may not we anticipate
[5:04:37] that there will be an expansion within the city of
[5:04:40] Markham through the process and we said that previously to
[5:04:43] council through staff reports
[5:04:45] but at this point whether it includes these specific lands
[5:04:47] or not it's unknown at this point we'll have to
[5:04:50] see when the draft land needs assessment is released by
[5:04:52] the region so I I appreciate that there is an
[5:04:56] element of crystal balling here but the fact that this
[5:04:59] property would be continuous with what's happening north of the
[5:05:03] border in style though does that in your opinion increase
[5:05:07] or decrease the likelihood that the boundary would be expanded
[5:05:10] to include these lands
[5:05:13] through the chair I would suggest the question that will
[5:05:15] come before council is where appropriately growth should be directed
[5:05:19] and we're boundary expansion should occur within the city of
[5:05:21] Markham historically the city of Markham has expanded its urban
[5:05:25] boundary from the styles working its way north and northeast
[5:05:29] this would be a different a deviation from that approach
[5:05:33] and that would have to be considered through council when
[5:05:35] we would report back through the drive through and needs
[5:05:37] assessment work as well as to the region's municipal comprehensive
[5:05:40] review
[5:05:41] okay so it's still entirely possible though that in a
[5:05:44] few months time we could be looking at a report
[5:05:47] from the region that includes this land as part of
[5:05:49] the urban boundary expansion that is a very real possibility
[5:05:54] it is possible okay thank you I'd like to dig
[5:05:57] a little bit deeper ... on the proposed servicing arrangements
[5:06:00] pardon the pun ... I had a conversation Friday with
[5:06:05] commissioner Prasad and was told in answer to a question
[5:06:09] that if the M. zero was approved by council or
[5:06:12] ... supported by council and of course ...
[5:06:16] moved by the minister for the city of Markham would
[5:06:19] be responsible for the servicing
[5:06:22] and yet today ... I saw a different plan proposed
[5:06:27] by the applicant ... so have we done anything similar
[5:06:32] in other parts of marking where we've had the servicing
[5:06:35] at least some of it run through a neighboring municipality
[5:06:38] and if so how well is that arrangement worked
[5:06:42] I would ask ... Brian Lee director of engineering to
[5:06:45] respond to that place
[5:06:51] through you Mr chat as subprime lead director of engineering
[5:06:55] ...
[5:06:57] responding to ... councillor Irish question ... there are some
[5:07:03] cross boundary servicing ... in other parts of ... Markham
[5:07:08] ... namely ... there are few on Steeles Avenue between
[5:07:14] ... Markham and the city of Toronto and there is
[5:07:18] some limited very limited between the ...
[5:07:23] Richmond hill and Markham boundary as well but cross boundary
[5:07:28] ... servicing is not something that is typical something that
[5:07:33] is ... we can't do we tend to avoid these
[5:07:36] type of cross boundary ... servicing ...
[5:07:42] because of legislative and also administrative issues
[5:07:51] okay
[5:07:54] it's interesting I guess at
[5:07:58] sorry Mr chairman
[5:08:00] no I I use motioning to regional council E. W.
[5:08:05] A. model list I don't just quickly we don't have
[5:08:09] a stormwater management on from stove build
[5:08:13] the north Markham in the east and that's the only
[5:08:15] one I know from stole
[5:08:17] so I can ... free check and speak to that
[5:08:20] ... I was actually involved in that on the peripheral
[5:08:23] when I first joined Markham and
[5:08:27] that storm water management pond service a subdivision install bill
[5:08:33] the pond itself is located in Markham however that Paul
[5:08:37] does not serve anything in Markham so it's a servicing
[5:08:41] ... someone management point that is located in Markham but
[5:08:46] is service a subdivision ends in Snellville
[5:08:52] to date
[5:08:53] I appreciate to that the applicants ... consultant ... has
[5:08:57] something that they should like to add as it relates
[5:08:59] to this but ... well maybe it is maybe I
[5:09:03] saw secure had stand up that one to respond to
[5:09:07] well okay I've got one last bit related to this
[5:09:10] particular issue but I'll let them go first she's here
[5:09:14] ... I'm just gonna before I would like Katerina respond
[5:09:18] to the servicing question we have been working with the
[5:09:20] town of still bill and the city of Markham has
[5:09:22] been participating in the joint servicing ... ... ... works
[5:09:26] and we have been planning with the between the city
[5:09:29] of Markham and the town is still will so we
[5:09:31] have been working together and I was just gonna say
[5:09:34] that yes you Markham has done something which it with
[5:09:37] the city of Toronto and with the storm water management
[5:09:39] pond which got picked up so so now carry no
[5:09:42] would have she would like to add something Katerina I
[5:09:46] didn't want to ... clarifying that she here ... as
[5:09:49] he sometimes tends to do stole my thunder as well
[5:09:52] simply added to it and not the lawyers for the
[5:09:56] town of which are still so under city of Markham
[5:09:59] and she cares lawyers myself and then my colleague Mary
[5:10:02] Ellen bench we've been in discussions with respect to the
[5:10:05] servicing arrangements for the answer to one lands ... and
[5:10:09] adding to that discussion to service these additional lands I
[5:10:13] would not be problematic we've identified the need for various
[5:10:16] agreements ... which could address the servicing expenditure trust the
[5:10:21] servicing of these lands and I will keep it ...
[5:10:24] brief on that
[5:10:27] okay I guess but
[5:10:30] sorry Mr chairman I'll just say council Irish proceed
[5:10:35] and very polite of you
[5:10:40] I guess
[5:10:42] when people
[5:10:44] yeah yeah I suppose ... if if again ... committee
[5:10:50] and council were to approve this and it made its
[5:10:53] way to queens park and was approved again by the
[5:10:55] minister what kind of guarantee and I see our solicitor
[5:10:58] is is here what kind of guaranteed is the city
[5:11:02] of Markham have that these arrangements would be the arrangements
[5:11:04] of
[5:11:05] would be honored
[5:11:07] versus us suddenly finding out that ... we were on
[5:11:10] the hook for all the servicing
[5:11:13] so how much of a guarantee would we have
[5:11:17] through through the chair it said challenge to answer that
[5:11:19] question with a hundred percent certainty the province now has
[5:11:24] ... has expanded to their ability to our direct municipalities
[5:11:29] to enter into site plan agreements ... I don't know
[5:11:33] if that extends to all of the other agreements that
[5:11:36] would be required for development of this nature ... so
[5:11:40] we alternately you could be left I've negotiating what are
[5:11:44] cross boundary servicing agreement would look like I don't have
[5:11:48] the status of the existing when I do know that
[5:11:50] we are working on as a cross boundary agreement to
[5:11:53] servicing agreements with respect to the previous sunset ... approved
[5:11:58] ... but if we are unable to come to an
[5:12:00] agreement ... I don't know if the province would then
[5:12:04] have the authority to step in and and make an
[5:12:07] order in that regard or not that's still a little
[5:12:09] green we haven't seen enough ... of these sinus sorts
[5:12:13] of cases where the province has stepped in to what
[5:12:16] would typically be a municipal authority I'm sorry my answer
[5:12:20] and that is that it's a bit up in the
[5:12:22] air
[5:12:25] all right my last question I hope it's a simple
[5:12:28] one it should be
[5:12:30] I'm sorry sugar did you have something you want to
[5:12:32] add to that last one
[5:12:35] yeah if me if I may please I
[5:12:40] the thank you Sir so I just want to add
[5:12:43] that I I ... ... so I would just like
[5:12:45] to add that typically what happens is when we come
[5:12:48] in well for the draft plan of subdivision application through
[5:12:51] the draft approval process there's dropping conditions which the city
[5:12:56] of Markham would ask us to enter into and those
[5:12:58] will be conditions of the approval and we have to
[5:13:01] fulfill all those conditions and then through those conditions usually
[5:13:04] wanted the condition is to enter into a subdivision agreement
[5:13:07] with the city of Markham through that subdivision agreement we
[5:13:11] would be entering and posting the required letters of credit
[5:13:14] for the infrastructure we would have to submit our engineering
[5:13:17] drawings to the city of Markham older drawings once they're
[5:13:21] approved once we have posted the required letters of credit
[5:13:24] only then we can start the servicing so this would
[5:13:27] be treated like a typical subdivision you would have in
[5:13:30] the city of Markham when C. over dropping of ...
[5:13:33] subdivision approved for residential ... the applicant comes then enters
[5:13:37] into a subdivision agreement a go through your legal department
[5:13:40] and we post the required securities we get the approvals
[5:13:43] from your engineering planning urban design and only then we
[5:13:45] can proceed so it will be very similar to ...
[5:13:49] or it will be the same process that's what I
[5:13:51] want to answer that's it thank you Hey thank you
[5:13:54] so my my last question which I hope is a
[5:13:56] simple one a straight forward one ... it it follows
[5:14:00] along the mayors line of questioning at the very beginning
[5:14:02] of this item ... before we took the break can
[5:14:06] you answer for me how many acres are actually develop
[5:14:10] a bowl because the staff report indicates that it's thirty
[5:14:14] two hectares I'm old school so that seventy nine acres
[5:14:18] and of what is developed people how much of that
[5:14:22] is ... I guess it's classified as a one farmland
[5:14:26] okay so ... I will answer this question so we
[5:14:30] have grossed more or less area of one hundred and
[5:14:34] ten acres so from the hundred and ten acres the
[5:14:38] green belt and national heritage system mistaking thirty nine point
[5:14:42] three acres
[5:14:44] so if I take 10 minus 39.
[5:14:48] three acres so we are left with seventy point seven
[5:14:51] acres now on that seventy point seven acres we're going
[5:14:55] to have the the seniors buildings we're going to have
[5:14:58] roads we're going to have public parks we're going to
[5:15:02] have ... to stormwater management ponds we're gonna have the
[5:15:06] residential and open spaces everything else so ... out of
[5:15:12] the grows hundred and ten acres thirty nine point eighty
[5:15:15] six acres is gone towards the green belt and the
[5:15:19] the City Markham's national heritage system as defined in the
[5:15:23] official plan so that's that's the answer Sir
[5:15:27] and look the last the last bit of my question
[5:15:30] then was up that seventy how much of that is
[5:15:33] farmland all of but
[5:15:36] source thirty acre is basically the white belt or the
[5:15:40] you call it farm where ... we are growing corn
[5:15:45] for the animals ... ... so if you see these
[5:15:50] two ... I don't know if you can see my
[5:15:52] cursor loop the two big blue lines this is basically
[5:15:59] the area we're developing but then this green area here
[5:16:02] it's the natural heritage system which we cannot touch
[5:16:05] Dan we have this green belt now we have a
[5:16:09] little bit of national heritage system expanded here a little
[5:16:11] bit here then we have the green belt on the
[5:16:13] corner so that's something we cannot touch the the white
[5:16:18] belt or the farm land where we are going forms
[5:16:21] for the animals are here and here
[5:16:26] in this area
[5:16:28] so so that's what's gonna get developed developed all of
[5:16:33] this plus this is seventy point seven acres more or
[5:16:37] less which includes two parks which includes to stormwater management
[5:16:42] ponds which include a pumping station which at one point
[5:16:46] one hectare alone ... and all the real world species
[5:16:51] shown over here and the seniors buildings
[5:16:54] okay okay thank you thank you Mr chairman ... actually
[5:16:58] could I just weigh in for one quick second please
[5:17:01] so to also respond to councillor Irish the simple answer
[5:17:06] is all of the lands are prime agricultural here so
[5:17:09] they're all designated they are all rec recognizes primary cultural
[5:17:13] class one and two lands
[5:17:17] Deputy Mayor Hamilton
[5:17:21] thank you Mr chair
[5:17:24] I'm
[5:17:25] listening intently with all the plans that are coming forward
[5:17:28] but
[5:17:29] and I am absolutely hundred percent sure that the Mr
[5:17:33] ram to align flat or we'll do a cracker Jack
[5:17:36] job a fantastic job of building what they promised the
[5:17:39] bill it'll be a quality build it'll be a full
[5:17:43] fledged community you'll have everything that the that we we
[5:17:47] would like to have but I'm not at that point
[5:17:50] where I won't even discuss that
[5:17:53] I'm still wait back and trying to decide whether we
[5:17:57] should be approving this Ms at all whether we should
[5:18:01] get even past the post I don't know whether we
[5:18:04] should Mister chair and so I do have a couple
[5:18:07] of questions I'd like to ask for staff the first
[5:18:10] one is sort of in response to councillor Irish question
[5:18:13] about the likelihood of being part of the land needs
[5:18:17] assessment so if this land is not part of the
[5:18:20] municipal comprehensive review isn't it
[5:18:24] practically speaking an impossibility for this land not even one
[5:18:29] centimeter of it to be included
[5:18:31] in the land needs assessment that's going to come out
[5:18:34] from the region
[5:18:35] zoom in response to the chair the region is undertaking
[5:18:39] and municipal comprehensive review looking at all lands across the
[5:18:42] entire region it includes these lands as well the land
[5:18:46] needs assessment will identify determined existing needs existing supply and
[5:18:52] then output what potential additional lands may be required for
[5:18:57] urban expansion through their municipal comprehensive review and their official
[5:19:00] plan review process once that is a determined they would
[5:19:05] then apply the other policies of the growth plan for
[5:19:08] the greater golden horseshoe and provincial policy statement to look
[5:19:12] at where lands should be urbanized which looks at agricultural
[5:19:17] lands it looks at heritage it looks that were a
[5:19:19] lands as well and the White the lands that have
[5:19:22] been part of this conversation
[5:19:25] but realistically I mean sure they're looking at every square
[5:19:28] inch of ... York region but really realistically as you
[5:19:33] said earlier I believe they're all that we move from
[5:19:36] south to north and I think you said west to
[5:19:39] east I think you said it could have been East
[5:19:42] West but certainly from the south to the north so
[5:19:45] this parcel really practically speaking is not not on the
[5:19:49] radar whatsoever isn't
[5:19:53] soon through the chair I can't speak for the region
[5:19:57] and what they are putting forward or not but I
[5:20:00] can advise that in order to do a municipal comprehensive
[5:20:03] review they need to assess all lands look at the
[5:20:06] existing supply and then determine where future need as as
[5:20:10] I indicated earlier historic pattern of growth for the city
[5:20:13] has been building before you build out and starting from
[5:20:17] the south and west and then moving north and east
[5:20:21] so essentially that is why there is a gap of
[5:20:23] non urban lands ... between this proposed ministers on an
[5:20:28] order request and the urban area to the south
[5:20:32] so this your comment brings me to my second question
[5:20:35] which I think I'm going to direct Mr chairman through
[5:20:38] you to ... commissioner Prasad ...
[5:20:42] the region seems to be the the ghost partner here
[5:20:46] ... they don't seem to be consulted on these M.
[5:20:49] settles and and when we were talking about the one
[5:20:52] this morning I can understand it really doesn't have much
[5:20:55] to do with the region it's really focused on the
[5:20:58] city but here we've heard repeatedly about sewage about water
[5:21:04] you know about the the
[5:21:08] comprehensive review the municipal comprehensive review that's going on that's
[5:21:12] all being conducted by the region and yet I don't
[5:21:15] see anybody on this call from the region to say
[5:21:18] yes this is a good idea to have have this
[5:21:21] land or no it's not a good idea so I'll
[5:21:25] be I'll be honest I think I called the the
[5:21:28] ... chief planner for York region all three men unfortunately
[5:21:33] he couldn't be here today to to ... to participate
[5:21:38] but I think he did speak to commissioner Prasad so
[5:21:42] I'd like commissioner Prasad to to let us know where
[5:21:46] the region stance on this because I'm quite concerned that
[5:21:49] we're doing things without any concern for the region and
[5:21:53] it's planning this is it you know they go through
[5:21:57] planning for every municipality through the MCR and they're the
[5:22:01] ones that originally ... allocate the sewage they are the
[5:22:05] ones that built the big York a district sewer pipes
[5:22:09] etcetera so can I hear please Mister chairman former commissioner
[5:22:15] Mr Prasad yes throughout through you Mr chairman I did
[5:22:20] have an opportunity to speak to you ... the regional
[5:22:23] chief planner about this matter and I can confirm that
[5:22:28] you know what to do with weird it to the
[5:22:30] two tier system
[5:22:32] rate if you if you got it ends that ...
[5:22:33] and Hamilton and our Toronto
[5:22:37] ... it's gonna be good the municipality has all the
[5:22:40] information in front of it ... we have a two
[5:22:44] tier system the region is responsible for certain things that
[5:22:48] today let the local area municipality is not responsible for
[5:22:53] servicing and some aspects of servicing some aspects of environmental
[5:22:58] regional roads are transit so do it didn't deter so
[5:23:04] there there is unless the region is consulted you're not
[5:23:08] gonna get a lot of intelligence in terms of what
[5:23:11] is the impact of any proposal on those types of
[5:23:14] regional services remember this is the best phone zoning or
[5:23:18] a ministers only order zoning is the operative word zoning
[5:23:23] rests with the local municipality with their it is folly
[5:23:26] the city of Markham
[5:23:28] we take care of zoning so the minister in circulating
[5:23:32] them settle for comments it's going to circulated to that
[5:23:36] but I asked for comments from that level of minutes
[5:23:41] of government that's responsible for zoning so it comes to
[5:23:45] us in Markham Intrada comes across but you know there
[5:23:48] too no one here right so I did speak to
[5:23:51] him and he is frustrated about that process the chief
[5:23:55] planner is frustrated that the ... the region are rarely
[5:24:00] ... gets asked for comments on these types of our
[5:24:04] publications is definitely something that I encourage fall to talk
[5:24:08] to the minister's office about and discuss because they provide
[5:24:11] a valuable service
[5:24:13] to us in terms of development
[5:24:16] so ... does but my discussion with him ball ...
[5:24:19] Freeman ... has reviewed the report on your agenda today
[5:24:23] and he agrees with it
[5:24:25] he agrees that it's premature this application he agrees that
[5:24:30] his misspoke comprehensive review process which is going to establish
[5:24:34] the land needed
[5:24:36] for development going forward is just several months away
[5:24:41] so his point of view on this matter is you
[5:24:44] know we're almost there at the finish line and working
[5:24:46] on my MCR for number of ... you months or
[5:24:50] I guess the over a year now ... and his
[5:24:53] process will advise the city of Markham all the Ministry
[5:24:57] all these how much urban land is required
[5:25:01] having regard for the areas that are intensifying in our
[5:25:04] communities having regard for the density that we're trying to
[5:25:07] create having regard for the need for ground related housing
[5:25:11] issues or not I delighted to do of what's called
[5:25:14] the land budget assessment
[5:25:17] the province gives us criteria to do this assessment so
[5:25:21] the region is gone pretty much completed that process and
[5:25:24] we'll be hearing soon from them the next several months
[5:25:27] from what I understand in terms of how much additional
[5:25:29] land is required in York region and its member municipalities
[5:25:33] for urban expansion which this is
[5:25:38] so my safe to say that but not only the
[5:25:41] city staff not support this but the chief planner of
[5:25:45] York region does does agree with
[5:25:49] city staff and therefore does not support this Ms that'll
[5:25:53] yeah I did you have spoken to him directly he
[5:25:56] agrees with the staff recommendation okay
[5:25:59] okay thank you for that my last question I think
[5:26:02] this goes to Daryl alliance through you Mr chairman if
[5:26:06] I may
[5:26:08] what does comply with city and regional facing policies
[5:26:13] and if not what sort of consequences are
[5:26:18] possible
[5:26:20] so through the chair the current market official plan twenty
[5:26:24] fourteen these lands are outside of the urban area the
[5:26:27] phasing of Development is for dealing with lands with in
[5:26:30] the urban area so in this situation our official plan
[5:26:34] currently has policies that for any land outside to do
[5:26:37] is I'm the better expansion shall be undertaken through and
[5:26:40] that's full comprehensive review
[5:26:42] the region's official plan currently requires a meniscal comprehensive review
[5:26:46] for settlement boundary expansions as well that's based on the
[5:26:49] old version of that at the growth plan and the
[5:26:52] new new growth plan as well carries for with the
[5:26:55] framework which is why the region is doing in the
[5:26:57] next full comprehensive review process right now in order to
[5:27:00] do their conformity exercise to the growth plan
[5:27:04] well I remain concerned about about this ... it was
[5:27:09] that ... I wasn't concerned about the other one I
[5:27:13] agree with the Maryland Ginsburg and also Peter me ask
[5:27:18] in their comments that this is leapfrogging therefore spots only
[5:27:24] and given what I've heard it just I think it's
[5:27:27] gonna throw the plan of like I'm even concerned Mr
[5:27:30] chairman
[5:27:31] and I guess it's a question to Daryl if if
[5:27:34] there's certain allocations given ... like in aggregate there's a
[5:27:39] certain number of allocations available once this MCR is done
[5:27:44] and this spot zoning if you wanna call it that
[5:27:49] this Ms that'll
[5:27:51] uses some of that up then that means there is
[5:27:54] gonna be last four goals that have been in the
[5:27:57] normal processes in the normal queue am I right on
[5:28:00] that
[5:28:01] through the chair you are correct in the fact that
[5:28:04] went any development occurs in any area of the city
[5:28:07] of course that could potentially have an impact on service
[5:28:10] allocation and on land use implication the amenities transit supportive
[5:28:15] nest there's a whole bunch of different things that would
[5:28:17] go into that type of exercise so yes there is
[5:28:20] a possibility that if development is directed in this direction
[5:28:24] as I mentioned before the approach that mark and at
[5:28:27] has taken historically is is urban expansions from the south
[5:28:32] going north and northeast not from the north going down
[5:28:36] having recognizing as well that the minister has need ministers
[5:28:40] on order which are still and that is what top
[5:28:43] rated development incorporated is looking after that visioning exercise that
[5:28:47] we don't know at this point we're only a short
[5:28:49] few months away to see what the land needs assessment
[5:28:51] is going to give us from the region and at
[5:28:54] this point we don't know where that growth is going
[5:28:56] to be allocated or needed for boundary expansion
[5:29:00] would you expect Darryl ... through you Mr chairman to
[5:29:04] Darrell again would you expect to see ... more Ms
[5:29:08] that all applications from other developers ... if this one
[5:29:14] is successful
[5:29:16] through the internet I think it what what wouldn't site
[5:29:19] people are incentivize them to use that recourse rather than
[5:29:24] what all being the normal process
[5:29:28] through the chair that is quite possible in the fact
[5:29:31] that administers zoning order essentially console right through the region's
[5:29:35] planning process the city's planning process and technically the minister
[5:29:39] of municipal affairs has owned and has all of the
[5:29:42] wording regarding that piece of land that they include your
[5:29:44] ministers on in order to the extent of any conflict
[5:29:47] with our local documents so it is possible and if
[5:29:51] people find that this is a path that they can
[5:29:53] get through quicker potentially then it could be I used
[5:29:58] in the future but it's unknown it depends on when
[5:30:00] an applicant or not comes forward to the minister of
[5:30:03] municipal affairs requesting in order
[5:30:06] but it quickly pressure
[5:30:08] thank you thank you Mr chairman those are my questions
[5:30:11] here all when we moved from ... twenty forty one
[5:30:15] to twenty fifty one what was the increase in population
[5:30:19] that the region has to
[5:30:22] so currently just give me one moment
[5:30:27] all
[5:30:31] I want to say that it increased the number of
[5:30:33] eight thousand but
[5:30:36] I don't have to just grab that schedule 3
[5:30:46] in the province is consistently always up updating our numbers
[5:30:50] are increasing their numbers maybe two year and maybe it's
[5:30:54] a hundred thousand today two reasons it could be a
[5:30:57] hundred and fifty thousand
[5:30:59] corrected so ... regional chair so just start data growth
[5:31:05] plan for the greater golden horseshoe to schedule three it
[5:31:08] only allocates up to a single tear or not particular
[5:31:11] out level so we don't have specific numbers for the
[5:31:14] city of Markham that's what the land needs assessment work
[5:31:17] and the municipal comprehensive review process that the region is
[5:31:20] currently undertaking would then allocate population employment forecast to ...
[5:31:25] to the City of ... of Markham so currently within
[5:31:29] York region the numbers have changed in the fact that
[5:31:33] I twenty ... forty one numbers were seventeen one one
[5:31:38] point one point million seven hundred ninety thousand for population
[5:31:41] for twenty forty one and when it went out through
[5:31:45] amendment one to the growth plan it increased the numbers
[5:31:50] to one point nine so it increased two point two
[5:31:55] point six we're sorry two hundred sixty thousand population difference
[5:31:59] of twenty forty one to twenty five only certain municipalities
[5:32:02] that have room for growth okay Martin's one of up
[5:32:06] on ten these culinary but he's calling very and that
[5:32:10] we have a a servicing problem let's look at the
[5:32:14] results
[5:32:16] our next is
[5:32:18] hello Catherine
[5:32:22] wants to speak
[5:32:25] thank you Mr chair I just wanted to comment with
[5:32:27] respect to the MCR ... discussion that we're having ...
[5:32:33] and I'm not suggesting that the and so that was
[5:32:36] approved in this morning is is not appropriate but in
[5:32:39] in terms of the ... it considerations of an MCR
[5:32:43] process and what goes into the land needs and Alice
[5:32:46] as a defeat some of the uses that are proposed
[5:32:50] in the minister zoning water from this morning would equally
[5:32:53] be ones that would be considered through an MCR process
[5:32:56] such as I believe and I'm I'm not a land
[5:32:58] use plan or
[5:32:59] a lawyer but I believe ... the retirement home and
[5:33:02] life lease as would also be residential uses ... what
[5:33:06] I'm trying to say Sir is the MCR although that
[5:33:10] is what we are asked to do in the province
[5:33:12] of Ontario and that hasn't changed I think there's been
[5:33:15] a recognition by our provincial government not as a the
[5:33:18] Mayor puts it the planning process is broken and there
[5:33:21] has been some additional opportunity of both through the use
[5:33:26] of and Santos and indeed growth plan policies to recognize
[5:33:30] that growth could occur outside of that MCR process if
[5:33:35] we're waiting for the MCR to be concluded and I'm
[5:33:37] not faulting the region for this it's a complicated process
[5:33:40] that has changed and the only has just been finalized
[5:33:43] recently ... in terms of the province's process but if
[5:33:46] we're waiting for that and see are to be concluded
[5:33:48] as I mentioned earlier this afternoon we're losing an opportunity
[5:33:52] here ... debt it will extend these lands coming in
[5:33:56] if they are brought into the urban and inter the
[5:33:58] urban boundary for anywhere from five to ten years or
[5:34:02] more ...
[5:34:04] if we're serious about fixing the problem of where to
[5:34:06] pull housing of seniors affordability and and allowing that segment
[5:34:11] of the population have access to homes I am clear
[5:34:14] that the time is now for this and not waiting
[5:34:17] for the answer to be concluded
[5:34:21] okay thank you
[5:34:23] next is nurse for PT
[5:34:30] I'm sure ... banks and and ... it's it's been
[5:34:34] McCrank great to hear both the questions and the answers
[5:34:39] and and to hear some context of what what's before
[5:34:43] us maybe just to clarify something ... the the region
[5:34:49] ... was delegated a certain planning approvals maybe Daryl can
[5:34:54] confirm this so in in some respects and certain parts
[5:34:58] of the planning process ... the region acts on behalf
[5:35:03] of the province in that it's been delegated authority to
[5:35:07] approve our official plan so and I will go through
[5:35:11] the long list that I ate does maybe Gerald can
[5:35:14] use speaks about just for a second
[5:35:16] yes so through the chair in in response to that
[5:35:20] question the province has it through the structure created for
[5:35:24] a particular lower tier single tear has delegated and or
[5:35:27] assigned planning authorities for a variety of different things but
[5:35:31] in this situation given that the region is undertaking a
[5:35:34] municipal comprehensive review which is under section twenty six of
[5:35:37] the planning act that's the five year or ten year
[5:35:39] review depending on which one you're doing bye under that
[5:35:42] the province is the planning authority so once the region
[5:35:46] has completed their new official plan program through this municipal
[5:35:49] comprehensive review process it would be adopted and sent to
[5:35:52] the province for approval
[5:35:55] okay so I just I just in case there was
[5:35:58] questions about some of the region's Roland announcement Lee ...
[5:36:03] who gives approval to these things ... I think that
[5:36:07] there are you provided even further clarification and then maybe
[5:36:10] I was even suggesting so about that right I really
[5:36:14] do appreciate that and I I'm glad we've got general
[5:36:17] to provide that so that expertise because he came from
[5:36:21] the province of Ontario
[5:36:23] well Mister chair I I wanna others of seven but
[5:36:26] I wanna thank the ... the people who came forward
[5:36:29] today and and mate ... deputations ... ... it's clear
[5:36:35] ... that that again ... these comments that have been
[5:36:38] made about this ... particular application some of them what
[5:36:42] apply generally to the ... the issue that we have
[5:36:46] at hand and many of you ever for so where
[5:36:49] is the ... the planning and ... gross that's going
[5:36:53] to happen in the region for the next forty years
[5:36:57] and and that's a big undertaking and ... would like
[5:37:01] to be able to say that in in forty years
[5:37:05] of projection moving forward ... that that serve planning would
[5:37:09] be a science and ... would be able to figure
[5:37:12] out every last square sports and just how much space
[5:37:16] we need to accommodate that growth and to to meet
[5:37:20] the various ... demands so I I do appreciate that
[5:37:24] the perspectives are brought forward I I will maybe in
[5:37:28] on again ... one could probably saying if if he
[5:37:31] one thing hadn't happened and then the other thing hadn't
[5:37:34] happened ... I might not be able to say what
[5:37:37] I'm about to say but I think this particular ...
[5:37:42] issue that's before us this morning is in the context
[5:37:46] of what exists today and I and I and that's
[5:37:48] is why ask for clarification of the status of the
[5:37:52] lands are north of us ... I wouldn't necessarily classify
[5:37:58] as a spot rezoning
[5:38:00] now now let me tell you if a similar type
[5:38:04] of applications demand
[5:38:06] on Allegan mills
[5:38:09] are in the middle of nowhere ... not connected to
[5:38:14] any other community ... and certainly not planned for ...
[5:38:20] in terms of the context of a of a broader
[5:38:23] community then I agree that that is an eighty
[5:38:28] what you might want to qualify as either spot rezoning
[5:38:31] or or something being dealt with in an isolation and
[5:38:36] ... I would just say that that given that the
[5:38:39] previous decisions not just of the province of Ontario but
[5:38:43] also the municipality of which sold well ... I I
[5:38:49] wouldn't go as far as saying that it's spot rezoning
[5:38:52] there is very much integrated into our broader plan
[5:38:56] and and the other thing I'll say it's tough you
[5:38:58] know because we we do take pride in our political
[5:39:02] ... slash municipal boundaries
[5:39:05] but let's face it if you were dividing up the
[5:39:08] lines today
[5:39:10] I'm between minister polities are the reality is you wouldn't
[5:39:14] call one block north are a part of a lot
[5:39:18] of north of nineteen thousand you give someone was dividing
[5:39:22] that line up today in reality they say nineteenth Avenue
[5:39:28] letter realistically probably should be the ... the ... miscible
[5:39:32] boundary between Markham and stalled out that by the way
[5:39:37] I'm not ... indicating in any way that I think
[5:39:39] the boundary should be both just in case someone is
[5:39:43] getting so excited the north of us ... with which
[5:39:45] would still while I'm not advocating that at all fair
[5:39:48] to say though that I think if we were doing
[5:39:52] municipal boundaries planning properly it would be a major roles
[5:39:57] like ... nineteenth Avenue that would most likely be the
[5:40:01] dividing line between the two municipalities so I I appreciate
[5:40:07] the comments other comments made today in relation to some
[5:40:10] other issues up and Mister chair I think they do
[5:40:14] apply generally and you know again ... maybe in another
[5:40:18] forum maybe the province ... should be demonstrating yet again
[5:40:23] ... but there's been a lot of work ... pertaining
[5:40:26] to the growth that stuff happened in in the GTA
[5:40:31] are out for the next used to be twenty years
[5:40:34] now they used to be thirty years now we're up
[5:40:37] to forty years and who knows ... you never know
[5:40:40] if there is a ... ... something that happens it
[5:40:43] sells is the plan even further out from that but
[5:40:46] many of the issues ... spoken about they do relate
[5:40:50] to those fundamental debates about how much we can grow
[5:40:54] where can we grow and then the viability of a
[5:40:58] food ... source and and all of those issues that
[5:41:01] their politicians to to raise and I think we do
[5:41:04] need to be raised within the broader context of of
[5:41:08] the the the policy related to
[5:41:10] two of the province of Ontario or not so they're
[5:41:14] they're not small items to deal with and they should
[5:41:16] be should be dealt with so I just say this
[5:41:19] ... and I thought it was going to come up
[5:41:21] and and perhaps some of the commentary ... I wanna
[5:41:25] let you know that when I found out about this
[5:41:28] as late as last week ... I reached out to
[5:41:33] ... the applicant because I wanted to understand what was
[5:41:35] being proposed but I also wanted to make sure
[5:41:39] that as much as ... this is being driven perhaps
[5:41:43] by another process Mister chair that the city of Markham
[5:41:47] was also going to derive ... as much benefit recognizing
[5:41:52] that at some point ... we ... we probably are
[5:41:56] in a position where we've asked for so much that
[5:41:59] that so perhaps ... the applicant wouldn't wouldn't proceed I
[5:42:03] don't know all but I certainly did have the discussion
[5:42:06] about other things that that we can do and let
[5:42:08] me just start off by saying the first thing you
[5:42:11] know when we talk about environmental impacts
[5:42:14] you know ... and it's not necessarily related to the
[5:42:17] current the ends at all but yeah as part of
[5:42:20] the condition of the last one we ensure that the
[5:42:24] servicing both water and sewer was going to be extended
[5:42:30] to Dixon now now that's something and maybe some of
[5:42:33] the new new worker ... members of council on may
[5:42:37] not appreciate that history but that's something we've been trying
[5:42:41] to figure out how to do for for well I
[5:42:45] won't say decades but a number of years of how
[5:42:48] the servicing could be extended and get back community off
[5:42:53] of private wells get them off of their ...
[5:42:57] their tanks and ... look them up to municipal service
[5:43:02] to tell me that that's an environmental benefit and again
[5:43:07] we can you know Garrick us in the right for
[5:43:10] a Mister chair we could debate some of these things
[5:43:12] but I just put that on its out a perspective
[5:43:15] about how I see that as a as a benefit
[5:43:19] for ... Markham and and Markham residents anyways ...
[5:43:25] I did raise some issues with that the applicant that
[5:43:29] while I was pleased to see some elements are incorporated
[5:43:33] about what was presented today that I thought there were
[5:43:36] other things that that the the city of Markham could
[5:43:40] could benefit by and ...
[5:43:44] things like
[5:43:46] hiding for additional ... park land and what the planning
[5:43:51] act ... describes and ... I have to say ...
[5:43:56] the applicant kind of made a suggestion or potentially other
[5:44:00] to wake her up park and ... I thought about
[5:44:04] that a bit more over the last a couple of
[5:44:06] days thinking about work while while it's nice to get
[5:44:10] that open space additional open space I would like to
[5:44:14] see something that at least could accommodate ... some kind
[5:44:18] of recreational facility like a full of regulation soccer field
[5:44:23] and and some other uses so ... as much as
[5:44:28] I appreciate the initial discussion of of two acres I
[5:44:31] I thought about it a bit more and ... I
[5:44:33] thought you know as nice as that would be in
[5:44:36] terms of open space I think ... our community also
[5:44:40] needs some of those other facilities as well and you
[5:44:43] can accommodate that on on two acres ... so I'm
[5:44:47] I'd like applicants or perhaps ... respond to that because
[5:44:51] all of say one of the things again and ...
[5:44:55] I think what we've maybe are saying they're not and
[5:44:58] then when I made my comments earlier today it wasn't
[5:45:02] in relation necessarily to either of these applications that we're
[5:45:06] dealing with but I I think we've seen our system
[5:45:10] ... that needs to be revamped in the province of
[5:45:13] Ontario that's that is by the way ... it's not
[5:45:19] a pass by any stretch of the imagination I say
[5:45:22] a revamping it's about deciding where growth is going to
[5:45:26] go it's about deciding the type of growth that we're
[5:45:30] going to have and it's also about how we put
[5:45:34] in place ... best practices when it comes to sustainability
[5:45:39] and environmental protection which I think the city of Markham
[5:45:43] has demonstrated on on many many occasions on a number
[5:45:46] fronts and not just when we have a development application
[5:45:50] ... before us the other part that I asked ...
[5:45:53] the applicant to consider as much as he's got to
[5:45:58] our seniors buildings are and in the US and they
[5:46:03] are ... rental select that's good are you know that
[5:46:07] that's a that's a plus I I really wanted to
[5:46:10] see an injection of ... but short of bold rental
[5:46:15] in this plan and again not just tender or twenty
[5:46:18] units are just to say look we've got some units
[5:46:22] that are affordable here something substantial but I did mention
[5:46:26] sort of something I had in my mind but would
[5:46:28] like to hear from the applicant ... so that we
[5:46:33] not only have rental but we actually have affordable rental
[5:46:37] for seniors incorporated and that's because yes many seniors will
[5:46:42] be able to sell their home and and ranks and
[5:46:46] use ... that as a potential ... a potential ...
[5:46:52] stream to support themselves I know there's other seniors that
[5:46:57] that that won't have that luxury and again ... that
[5:47:02] are looking for affordable ranks all as defined by the
[5:47:06] region of York and in in our community so I'd
[5:47:10] like to see us comment on this application again ...
[5:47:16] the province of Ontario ... in its wisdom has inserted
[5:47:21] itself because I think they are dealing with a few
[5:47:25] major issues not just the fact that the planning process
[5:47:29] is is we can convert to the point that it's
[5:47:32] not allowing certain things to move forward and I appreciate
[5:47:35] all the comments that were said earlier I don't dismiss
[5:47:38] and I think again we've been a shining example when
[5:47:41] it comes to public engagement and involvement I'm not saying
[5:47:45] we always agree
[5:47:46] eighty but we we have those discussions and debates and
[5:47:49] if it does arrive to a conclusion and and that
[5:47:53] I I do support ...
[5:47:56] but aside from from ... those particular aspects one of
[5:48:03] park that goes beyond what's required units that would be
[5:48:07] deemed affordable under the definition of York region and then
[5:48:12] the other ... Mister chair is that I'd I'd want
[5:48:15] to ensure ... that ... the environmental impact studies ...
[5:48:21] what in fact all of the studies that would typically
[5:48:25] be undertaken as we've done with so many developments and
[5:48:29] mark I would also have to be undertaken for that
[5:48:33] so that we don't we don't give up one I
[5:48:36] order when it comes to the best practices are that
[5:48:40] we have put in place and obviously that we ...
[5:48:44] T. RCA conditions would also be incorporated into the approval
[5:48:51] of of the Ms at all and ... not unlike
[5:48:54] the previous one and I don't know if that was
[5:48:56] a shot at being a but we get to choose
[5:48:58] the color of the brick I'm proud of the fact
[5:49:01] that we take the time that we do in Markham
[5:49:04] to make sure we have good design and ... good
[5:49:07] materials and ... I think we should have that opportunity
[5:49:11] with this particular development as well now ... again you
[5:49:18] know we have a we have a or perhaps a
[5:49:21] decision to make are the province of Ontario can deal
[5:49:25] with this ... with this application I think the fact
[5:49:29] that it's before us members of council I would I
[5:49:33] would view that as the province taking this seriously
[5:49:38] R. I I don't think the province waste our time
[5:49:41] if they work if this wasn't under serious consideration I
[5:49:46] don't like the province likes to waste people's time I
[5:49:49] think it's here for a reason and ... I think
[5:49:52] we have a a moment here to say that it
[5:49:56] you know the the Ms at all ... would permit
[5:49:59] certain things and if it's going to permit certain things
[5:50:02] then we the city of Markham would want to see
[5:50:05] certain things incorporated and not is it perfect it's not
[5:50:10] but I think to categorize this is somehow a development
[5:50:14] that's happening in an island ... you don't know the
[5:50:17] area very well and then secondly I would say ...
[5:50:21] because of the other planning decisions that have been made
[5:50:25] others an opportunity here to integrate and and to make
[5:50:29] sure that there is in fact complete communities and on
[5:50:32] that score I want to publicly thank mayor Ian Lovett
[5:50:36] ... I also reached out to our because I think
[5:50:39] there was referencing a member who made it but ...
[5:50:42] part of the ... ... an important amenity that's that's
[5:50:46] being incorporated in the lands and what should stole will
[5:50:50] is a community center and I did reach out to
[5:50:53] Maryland but and I asked these residents are going to
[5:50:56] be closer really in many respects which you're still with
[5:50:59] them they will be to the amenities that we have
[5:51:02] been in Markham and would he consider ... allowing these
[5:51:07] residents to in fact be able to utilize that community
[5:51:12] center as if they were residents of which sold well
[5:51:16] and that that's something that that he didn't really hesitating
[5:51:20] said now about that something obviously ... he be very
[5:51:23] supportive of them and again over the years and I
[5:51:27] I've mechanical waste everyone's time but over the years we've
[5:51:30] had agreements like that I think particularly up in Thornhill
[5:51:35] ... to accommodate certain non sports groups
[5:51:38] so ... I want to thank him for for being
[5:51:41] open to that so ... Mister chair are perhaps before
[5:51:46] I say anything further I want to put on the
[5:51:49] table the the inclusion of a four acre park in
[5:51:54] addition to the required park land and I also want
[5:51:58] to get a better understanding because I did mention what
[5:52:02] I'd like to see ... about increasing the number of
[5:52:06] seniors units here but having ... a number and as
[5:52:10] I said not a small number are deemed to be
[5:52:14] affordable rents all and I like to hear what the
[5:52:17] applicants ... considerations down on on some of those aspects
[5:52:24] I should hear
[5:52:26] through you Mr chair thank you Mr mayor and ...
[5:52:29] I ... I respect your comments and ...
[5:52:34] I've also got some good comments from cancer rate
[5:52:38] also briefly spoken with the local council ... so ...
[5:52:43] I think you are making a very good point and
[5:52:45] this is exactly what I was trying to hit that
[5:52:47] before that ... we had the mayors housing summit we
[5:52:51] had to me from from the city of Markham in
[5:52:54] which everybody was speaking about ... affordable housing and this
[5:52:57] is what I've been basically saying please guide me please
[5:53:01] show me what you think what we can do to
[5:53:04] make this community different
[5:53:06] so we have an opportunity over here this community is
[5:53:09] connected with store bill with the a new on a
[5:53:13] school new parts installed build new community center what else
[5:53:16] can we do so Mr Mayor like I'm I'm I'm
[5:53:19] happy to confirm that we have to proposed ... seniors
[5:53:23] senior buildings with the one hundred apartments in each building
[5:53:27] so we are going to do a third building with
[5:53:30] one hundred units completely affordable housing as per the guidelines
[5:53:34] of York region and the city of Markham so I
[5:53:37] repeat and a complete one building where one hundred apartments
[5:53:43] a foldable housing and we will work with the region
[5:53:46] of your gear guidelines one hundred percent and with the
[5:53:48] city of Markham one hundred percent Mr Mayor you also
[5:53:52] raised a good point about the park ...
[5:53:55] and once again standing on my on my words before
[5:53:59] that how we can make this community different so I
[5:54:01] agree with your idea of expanding the park ... I
[5:54:05] know you've suggested the soccer field I I love soccer
[5:54:09] ... but I would also like to add if we
[5:54:13] could because we're doing something very similar in another community
[5:54:16] in Ontario where we are doing seniors housing that in
[5:54:21] the parks if you're making apart from two acres to
[5:54:24] say four acres I'm happy to do that no problem
[5:54:28] and it in that park if you can
[5:54:31] in have a community garden where the seniors can grow
[5:54:34] vegetables they can go out big enough I do a
[5:54:38] little bit of ... of planting a little bit of
[5:54:41] farming it kind of gives them some some space to
[5:54:44] go out and we're gonna make that parking sensible to
[5:54:46] the seniors which means flush to the ground making ...
[5:54:49] wheelchair accessible so so just to say yes Sir I
[5:54:53] agree are we are happy to provide additional two acres
[5:54:57] of parkland my request would be to ... to allow
[5:55:00] us to have a community garden for the seniors ...
[5:55:04] and we will provide another building
[5:55:07] M. P. one hundred percent affordable housing ... hundred units
[5:55:10] in it thank you Sir
[5:55:14] okay well the details of of location on and that
[5:55:17] the the uses and I only use the soccer field
[5:55:21] as an example I just didn't think ... in your
[5:55:25] initial discussions of two acres what would have been enough
[5:55:29] to really put in anything substantial in terms of of
[5:55:32] community amenities so that that so all right however that
[5:55:38] gets accommodated I think your your idea of whether it's
[5:55:41] community gardens or anything else that would be beneficial for
[5:55:46] the ... the seniors buildings ... that's sort of a
[5:55:50] level of detail when we deal with the subdivision and
[5:55:53] draft plan that that when that comes back to us
[5:55:56] we we can not get into so so Mister chair
[5:56:00] ... I'm sort of happy I don't know how many
[5:56:03] other speakers are are on the list but I would
[5:56:06] just reiterate once again are we we have been able
[5:56:10] to get benefits for the existing community the the extension
[5:56:14] of services ... is ... is ... both ... a
[5:56:17] benefit and environmental positive environmental impact ... the fact that
[5:56:24] if we put in in this resolution the ... the
[5:56:29] ... addition of a four acre park above the park
[5:56:33] land dedication that's required under the planning act one story
[5:56:39] and ends up again ... these conditions but also that
[5:56:43] that ... that ... the capital costs for that part
[5:56:48] ... would be borne by the applicant so that we're
[5:56:51] not utilizing ... funds from other areas ... that ...
[5:56:57] were collecting money for it so that the capital costs
[5:57:00] for that would be it would be borne by the
[5:57:03] by the applicant and ... and then if you're commitment
[5:57:07] as four hundred affordable housing units for seniors but that
[5:57:13] also be rid
[5:57:13] not been in our comments such as the province of
[5:57:17] Ontario and then of course the environmental impact studies would
[5:57:22] be undertaken T. RCA conditions will be incorporated and that
[5:57:28] we retain ... site plan ... control and again this
[5:57:33] was sitting in the middle of nowhere ... I think
[5:57:37] us as it said I would agree with that the
[5:57:39] spot rezoning and realistically as I get back to it's
[5:57:44] it's the boundaries were divvied up today I'd probably be
[5:57:47] nineteen thousand years old and in some respects ... this
[5:57:51] deals with the complete communities out there that again yes
[5:57:55] has undergone decisions by Richard Stockwell and and the province
[5:58:00] and you know you
[5:58:03] don't dismiss that ... but at the same time ...
[5:58:07] the incorporation of some of these things that allow us
[5:58:11] to get something for the city of Markham if this
[5:58:14] sounds that always gonna be considered and I and I
[5:58:16] think Mister chair the fact that it's here ... I
[5:58:19] would take that as a signal that it's under serious
[5:58:23] consideration and ... and I think it does speak to
[5:58:27] the comments I made earlier about what we need to
[5:58:30] do to fix the planning process and I'll just leave
[5:58:32] it at that and then owned by the way I
[5:58:35] fully support as well ... the comments made by councillor
[5:58:39] ray about whether you know alternately when the draft plan
[5:58:42] comes in but we shouldn't ... but I I like
[5:58:45] the approach that has been explained and by then we
[5:58:49] have other examples of this that we've done recently were
[5:58:52] townhouses built and it purposely built secondary unit has been
[5:58:57] incorporated into the design I I think is is something
[5:59:02] again that increases the um housing stock ... for rentals
[5:59:07] potentially and and certainly makes it affordable for people who
[5:59:11] want to buy and then know that they have that
[5:59:14] right secondary suite that's been incorporated and designed for in
[5:59:19] the community design which again I I have supported as
[5:59:23] others are known for for other areas so I'll leave
[5:59:27] it at that I don't know what other speakers but
[5:59:29] ... I agree with conservation include the the range of
[5:59:33] housing what ultimately gets built in maybe maybe a block
[5:59:36] after everything is done we're sending is our or or
[5:59:40] ... ...
[5:59:42] as Nancy quadruples whatever the whatever they're called ... could
[5:59:48] be incorporated but I wouldn't I wouldn't leave anything out
[5:59:51] at this point I believe more flexibility rather than ...
[5:59:55] they're not not even a thought
[5:59:58] thank you Mr Merrin I I first of all the
[6:00:01] speakers I have in the queue is councillor key regional
[6:00:05] council early councillor McAlpine councillor ray in a closing up
[6:00:12] this accounts for Collucci I do agree with almost everything
[6:00:16] you said Mr Mayor I don't called planning a thousand
[6:00:20] acres part res on in fact this type of planning
[6:00:24] should be done all over the city and all over
[6:00:26] the region this is effectively what I like about this
[6:00:30] type of planning okay it's comprehensive and that's complete planning
[6:00:35] and I think what you said earlier
[6:00:37] that if we had to do divvy up the boundaries
[6:00:40] again nineteenth Avenue would be yeah the boundary instead of
[6:00:45] but I wasn't a thousand meters whatever the distances up
[6:00:49] into that intersection
[6:00:51] and she care quite a few years ago when I
[6:00:54] came on council one of the things we went looked
[6:00:58] at was can't lands outside of the outside of worship
[6:01:02] them and what I'd like to but that was on
[6:01:05] the same street was all kinds of mix of house
[6:01:08] big houses town houses ... different types the only thing
[6:01:13] is what they call density we would call almost a
[6:01:16] cristatus but yeah I mean there lots of hot bigger
[6:01:19] than what we're doing today but that type of housing
[6:01:22] or that type of glass plant community be a great
[6:01:26] and ... ... so here again I don't think that
[6:01:30] spot rezoning what you're doing here I thank that up
[6:01:34] and I don't think this is trivial I don't think
[6:01:36] this is a trivial Ms at all and I think
[6:01:39] there's quite a few more Ms on homes that could
[6:01:43] be happening on the fourth floor and possibly even the
[6:01:46] floor under each so
[6:01:49] I think that the province is trying to show us
[6:01:51] the direction and I'd like to see more Ms the
[6:01:54] old stuff around transit stations but the not leaks more
[6:01:58] now ... in councillor Keith improvement are in the queue
[6:02:02] and how to councillor keys
[6:02:07] thank you Mr chair ... I actually I don't have
[6:02:10] questions I just have a few comments that I'd like
[6:02:12] to to ... to contribute and ... some of this
[6:02:15] has been covered ... I I also agree with a
[6:02:17] lot of what ... the Mayor had to say
[6:02:20] ... in it but in general I don't see this
[6:02:24] one of the main ... criticisms or concerns that we've
[6:02:27] heard today and from from people who have submitted ...
[6:02:31] ... Dapitan deputations is that the process in the speed
[6:02:35] ... and that and it in the idea that really
[6:02:38] this came out of the blue I just want to
[6:02:39] I guess push back a little bit on that one
[6:02:41] and say that I don't really don't see that this
[6:02:43] came out of the blue
[6:02:45] ... I guess has been referenced at this is a
[6:02:47] been I've been at least two or three meetings public
[6:02:51] meetings where we were discussing of these lands or at
[6:02:54] least in this in this area ... primarily with the
[6:02:58] the the town of Stowe bill and during those meetings
[6:03:02] there was never discussion about whether ... the land would
[6:03:05] be converted ... from from world to ... to mixed
[6:03:09] use but just more more the discussion was house so
[6:03:12] the configuration of the roads and whatnot so I guess
[6:03:15] from my perspective this is not a new out of
[6:03:18] the blue application ... I think some of the resistance
[6:03:23] that we're getting also from the city of Markham is
[6:03:25] the fact that it's at the northern border I'm a
[6:03:27] little bit more familiar with that because of my ward
[6:03:29] boundaries ... but this I also see is is it
[6:03:33] is a continuous ... piece of land that's contiguous to
[6:03:37] just overall into what's being developed there so it's not
[6:03:40] isolated and I agree it's not spot ... of Development
[6:03:45] ... second thing again the second thing that we I
[6:03:48] guess that a lot of correspondence on heard from a
[6:03:51] lot of residents about was just the the issue of
[6:03:53] of value of farmland and I certainly I I can
[6:03:56] appreciate the interests of our rural landowners ...
[6:04:01] and they're wanting to protect farmland but I think at
[6:04:04] the same time we have to recognize that there is
[6:04:07] a need to expand the urban boundary whether it's now
[6:04:10] or whether it's in ten years or where whether it's
[6:04:13] here or whether it's there it's something that we've been
[6:04:15] doing for you know for two hundred years frankly
[6:04:18] ... and I think that is to say that we
[6:04:21] cannot do that because because it's farmland is a little
[6:04:24] short sighted and ... I just don't think it's workable
[6:04:28] ... so I would say that this is particularly the
[6:04:31] case for stove L. ... which is one of the
[6:04:33] reasons that I'm I'm not not resisting this and that
[6:04:36] ... they do need to expand their urban boundary ...
[6:04:40] and you can't obviously expand your urban boundary to the
[6:04:42] green belt or to the the moraine so so there
[6:04:46] is there are limits to where this expansion can take
[6:04:49] place ... and and on that ...
[6:04:54] really if you look at the the region if you
[6:04:56] look at Southern Ontario a lot of land has been
[6:04:58] set aside for protection ... this application doesn't affect those
[6:05:03] lands so we're looking at the green belt we're looking
[6:05:06] at the oak ridges moraine and and and sixty five
[6:05:09] percent of of my ward ward five is is a
[6:05:12] national ... the Rouge national urban park so I would
[6:05:16] argue that there is a lot of farmland being protected
[6:05:19] one and two I think it's inevitable that we need
[6:05:23] great we need to accommodate for growth it can all
[6:05:25] go ... ... sky word if you will and install
[6:05:29] condominiums so the general comments and in terms of response
[6:05:32] to some of the deputations ... and I I would
[6:05:35] just echo the mint and many of the merits comments
[6:05:38] in terms of the merits particular the merits ... and
[6:05:41] I spoke about this earlier in the in the application
[6:05:43] that came before us this morning
[6:05:46] parents of ... the services that this is going to
[6:05:48] deliver for seniors ... and ... you know a purpose
[6:05:53] built rentals in the ATM affordable rentals is something that
[6:05:57] I've certainly been advocating for and I really in good
[6:06:00] conscience couldn't couldn't reject this proposal ... ... I would
[6:06:05] be a hypocrite
[6:06:06] 
[6:06:08] and she's locust hill was referenced earlier locust hill is
[6:06:11] in ward five so I know that those those residents
[6:06:15] have been waiting an awful long time for for services
[6:06:18] ... watered and spent sewer sanitary services so I'm I'm
[6:06:22] sure that ...
[6:06:25] this work in this development will be welcome there so
[6:06:28] ... and with all of the amendments I think we
[6:06:30] did some good work today terms of identifying some of
[6:06:33] the areas that can be improved so with those amendments
[6:06:35] I'm certainly supportive of so that's that's All I Want
[6:06:38] to say thank you
[6:06:40] tell regional councillor Joe Li
[6:06:43] thank you this year first of all I
[6:06:46] I appreciate the stop common ... that they need to
[6:06:50] wait for the region ... comprehension the report in the
[6:06:55] March but I do also remember in the last October
[6:06:59] regional council meeting ... relating to regional mapping up a
[6:07:04] future employment lands
[6:07:07] the city ... on stated that because four hundred highway
[6:07:11] live within
[6:07:12] the business of a palm tree therefore it should be
[6:07:15] left to the city along with the site where the
[6:07:18] bill from should should take place I remember most of
[6:07:22] my come council members disagree and one of the region
[6:07:26] to act on behalf of the province in the planning
[6:07:29] act to provide a comprehensive review where the bill function
[6:07:34] I mean should take place but unfortunately regional council voted
[6:07:38] in favor of a city of one position to allow
[6:07:42] them to decide what is best for them to build
[6:07:46] but in the municipal bond just two days obligation is
[6:07:51] within the city of Markham municipal boundaries and I'm not
[6:07:54] come council should be doing the same thing telling the
[6:07:58] region that we know best
[6:08:02] what we want to build
[6:08:04] I don't know what the bill fun to happen in
[6:08:06] the city of Markham
[6:08:09] your day
[6:08:10] and I listen your Shakira much to love presentation carefully
[6:08:16] up all his development plan he states
[6:08:19] the proposed development address several of the problems visitation of
[6:08:24] priorities set out in the mold more choice action plan
[6:08:29] it will increase housing supply and bring that supply to
[6:08:32] market quickly while respecting and maintaining Ontario strong environmental protection
[6:08:40] and on then bring the creation of the complete communities
[6:08:43] within the highway forty eight corridor
[6:08:52] I am particularly paying attention
[6:08:56] what do you just say
[6:08:58] follow up for Bali senior home
[6:09:01] a portable and rental housing market for young people
[6:09:06] and surprisingly of all these comment about twenty three to
[6:09:11] twenty four feet wide come home as compared to the
[6:09:15] fifteen white home built by most builder in the industry
[6:09:21] this morning
[6:09:23] I supported a motion on the long term care application
[6:09:27] focus for considering the urgency needs all which I just
[6:09:32] paid affordable operable issue for our senior
[6:09:37] young people and the rental market
[6:09:40] so I will support this application going follow thank you
[6:09:46] councillor McAlpine
[6:09:51] thank you Mr chair and I'm like to say I
[6:09:54] I agree with much with the the mayor had to
[6:09:56] say ... and ... you know and some of the
[6:09:59] improvements I guess that's the application that that have been
[6:10:02] sort of expressed here today in the park land and
[6:10:04] so forth
[6:10:05] I'm a little bit concerned about the placement of affordable
[6:10:09] seniors housing on that in in a place that's not
[6:10:12] well served by transit ... ... I think that's not
[6:10:16] necessarily a good planning outcome I think some work to
[6:10:19] be done there but all of that ... ... ...
[6:10:24] and I would also agree with that with the Mayor
[6:10:25] that that that the planning process is broken I I
[6:10:27] agree and I think we would all agree with that
[6:10:30] but to me the solution isn't to bypass the planning
[6:10:34] process the solution is to fix the planning process and
[6:10:39] ... and I think we we would serve ourselves better
[6:10:43] by working out what we can do to improve the
[6:10:46] planning process in conjunction with with the region obviously and
[6:10:50] ... and then making proposals to the provinces to what
[6:10:53] they need to do as opposed to just sitting back
[6:10:56] and saying all the planning process is broken it's broken
[6:10:58] fix it and ... and while and while you figure
[6:11:01] out how to fix it will just we'll do this
[6:11:03] this kind of ad hoc planning ... I just don't
[6:11:07] think that's the the right solution we're making decisions here
[6:11:09] that will have an impact for hundreds of years and
[6:11:12] ... have major environmental impacts and to simply sort of
[6:11:16] do them on that they say kind of an ad
[6:11:18] hoc basis I think it is it's just simply not
[6:11:21] not good planning it's also not clear to me at
[6:11:25] all nobody has really made the case at all today
[6:11:28] as to why we have to go through this process
[6:11:30] by and Ms at all why doesn't the developers simply
[6:11:33] put forward at the dead be a an OPA application
[6:11:37] just like anybody else how much work to the tended
[6:11:40] to to process like we would any other application and
[6:11:43] again if we want to figure out how we can
[6:11:44] do that more efficiently than in the past all to
[6:11:47] the good ... but why we need an Ms and
[6:11:49] ... to the to do this is beyond me at
[6:11:52] this point ... and ... and again I have to
[6:11:56] support the staff ... position that there's an awful lot
[6:12:00] of home work still to be done to determine whether
[6:12:02] this is the right the right location and I and
[6:12:06] it would not surprise me if in fact coming out
[6:12:08] of the the the regional the MCR that in fact
[6:12:11] ... there is some allocation of ... or a suggestion
[6:12:16] of a of an urban boundary expansion into markets in
[6:12:18] this location and so as councillor Keith pointed out that's
[6:12:21] really the only ... place or direction that still has
[6:12:25] to expand ... so it may well be that this
[6:12:27] is a logical place but we just don't
[6:12:30] no and you know why we hire staff and experts
[6:12:34] in higher all these consultants simply to just ignore them
[6:12:37] and bypass them and and and and and do our
[6:12:39] own thing ... I think we need to we need
[6:12:42] to listen ... we need to have all the information
[6:12:45] in front of us before we make these sorts of
[6:12:47] decisions and quite frankly we don't have that information for
[6:12:50] us today we're talking about a few months we're not
[6:12:53] talking about years and years so I don't really understand
[6:12:56] the Russian this case I appreciate that affordable housing is
[6:12:59] an issue cetera etcetera but it's been an issue for
[6:13:02] years and years and years and why suddenly we have
[6:13:04] to rush ahead by a few months ... is not
[6:13:08] it's not obvious to me at all so ... I
[6:13:11] will be supporting the staff direction thank you
[6:13:14] councillor ray
[6:13:20] thank you
[6:13:22] I agree a hundred percent with what that counts McAlpine
[6:13:25] just and I did does she care over the weekend
[6:13:28] so we had a couple conversations
[6:13:30] if you were deferred this application for now until the
[6:13:33] region does to review
[6:13:35] I'm having setbacks the consulting keeps saying you know we
[6:13:39] need to Sam said ... because we're gonna do affordable
[6:13:41] housing we gonna do seniors housing so what is affordable
[6:13:44] housing
[6:13:46] I don't personally believe that we will be able to
[6:13:49] have affordable housing for purchase anywhere in Markham Lancaster expensive
[6:13:55] and the days of buying properties of four hundred five
[6:13:57] hundred thousand a long gone
[6:14:00] put in a second fleets whether it's on the main
[6:14:03] floor the basement or the second story in the million
[6:14:05] dollar plus town house is not in my definition of
[6:14:08] affordable housing
[6:14:11] we are missing purpose built rentals and I applaud Giaschi
[6:14:15] careful putting into apartment buildings and now the third one
[6:14:18] so thank you and designated name for seniors
[6:14:22] these apartments and not within walking distance your transit grocery
[6:14:26] stores or mean it is there was a little hard
[6:14:29] to tell on the map where the building was actually
[6:14:31] gonna go so I'm gonna take cost way on nineteenth
[6:14:33] Avenue between them
[6:14:36] McAlinden Markham road that is not walkable to go to
[6:14:40] Markham road and then north up to the SmartCentres
[6:14:44] ... I did talk to she care about seniors housing
[6:14:47] and asked me if he had time to go visit
[6:14:48] park view in Easton gate which is install which is
[6:14:51] the closest
[6:14:53] park view villages seniors housing consisting of a rental buildings
[6:14:57] life please bungalows with no basements
[6:15:01] long term care a cafe which is open to buy
[6:15:04] lunches for the seniors a library and a full calendar
[6:15:08] of events and activities the seniors to be engaged in
[6:15:11] that is what is needed for seniors
[6:15:15] this land was sold and it will never be farmland
[6:15:18] again I pre and I understand that it is going
[6:15:21] to be developed whether it's today five years ten years
[6:15:24] or forty years in the future there will be development
[6:15:26] on this property the question is should it be zoned
[6:15:29] for development today
[6:15:32] I'm going to guess that every single developer that owns
[6:15:35] land is listening in to see what we say
[6:15:39] whether it's green park that that my commode major mackenzie
[6:15:42] whether it's in Cornell whether it's in line staff whether
[6:15:45] it's one young St Buttonville they're all gonna be looking
[6:15:48] to see what we say and they're all they all
[6:15:50] want a fast track process with no public consultation and
[6:15:54] that the province approve the zoning
[6:15:56] we will have a little say on a few things
[6:15:59] but the zoning will already be in place
[6:16:03] Shakira did express interest in building something that is similar
[6:16:07] to park view but that is not what is being
[6:16:09] asked for today we cannot fast track process remove public
[6:16:13] consultation in Norfolk in ignored the region's M. C. R.
[6:16:18] is M. said always premature and we should support the
[6:16:21] staff recommendation
[6:16:25] well serviceman
[6:16:34] thank you Mr chair
[6:16:36] you know I am the today it's been a real
[6:16:41] learning lesson for me
[6:16:43] I have read all these ... thirty or forty different
[6:16:47] emails that have gone on this issue and then of
[6:16:50] course so many brilliant people have spoken again today and
[6:16:54] that was really really sort of ... I was able
[6:16:58] to grasp quite a few things and I think it's
[6:17:01] a great process that we have well having public input
[6:17:05] to me this is public input
[6:17:09] I think the Mayor has shut explained what he has
[6:17:13] been able to achieve with the builder
[6:17:17] and I think the be ... the output that he's
[6:17:22] been able to get meeting Dave forty acre park and
[6:17:26] the additional seniors building affordable building one hundred percent affordable
[6:17:32] and some of the questions that have been raised by
[6:17:34] my fellow councillors
[6:17:36] we do this year's walk by the way I don't
[6:17:39] see many seniors walking can you anybody tell me where
[6:17:43] is it should I in downtown somewhere seniors ... get
[6:17:47] the the either they take their cars with their kids
[6:17:51] or they are driven by the do you go by
[6:17:53] the bus or not a major me so this question
[6:17:57] already walking seniors on nineteen blind to reserve ready please
[6:18:05] you know the other question that I would buy again
[6:18:08] this is not that I'm a trying to answer the
[6:18:11] questions raised by my fellow councillors would still have some
[6:18:14] things in mind what was my mind changed a little
[6:18:17] we should hide the stuff so that they can meet
[6:18:21] are you expecting the stock to make decisions I don't
[6:18:24] view it elected to make decisions from the expertise of
[6:18:27] this stuff that's how it is supposed to be you
[6:18:31] get the input and then these thirteen don't have me
[6:18:35] sorry
[6:18:36] and
[6:18:38] and you said you'd be able then make the decisions
[6:18:42] and that's how I like it so do you remember
[6:18:45] have by dragonfish we are the ones who can be
[6:18:48] making a decision not to stop otherwise we don't need
[6:18:51] you councillors let this job on the city
[6:18:56] now you know why I like this because I think
[6:19:00] this development again that has been spoken before
[6:19:05] one of the issues that we have really is that
[6:19:07] the ... we're seeing the ... the infantry's scares and
[6:19:12] broke his nose this
[6:19:14] I promise once some obligation this process so until we
[6:19:20] can fix it
[6:19:22] what it what it needs to fix we should be
[6:19:24] able to fix it until then I don't think the
[6:19:27] applicant should be suffering does because we haven't got a
[6:19:31] lot of our house in order
[6:19:34] so I I think what a lot of people on
[6:19:36] because I but I would be able to make a
[6:19:39] lot of notes so ... from the input that I
[6:19:41] got today but I think the important thing is again
[6:19:45] and I think the room the mayor said well the
[6:19:48] service connections to for the benefit of Dixon hill I
[6:19:51] think that's a very important issue for that if they're
[6:19:54] going to get it which this application I think this
[6:19:57] is fantastic
[6:19:59] so would really be getting here is a complete community
[6:20:06] the farmers already sold his land the farmer decided that
[6:20:09] he no longer wants to do is farming
[6:20:12] and since when do we judge somebody what do you
[6:20:15] what to do
[6:20:17] so the farmers made a decision the applicant is in
[6:20:21] and I think this is one of the good that
[6:20:23] dive word today since morning will he is compromised and
[6:20:27] is given back to the community even though he's philanthropic
[6:20:31] things I I don't wanna make a comment on that
[6:20:33] that's his personal business or his company's business but as
[6:20:36] far as this project is concerned here's again being generous
[6:20:41] and we're wise offering we are all dreaming that how
[6:20:45] can we get these affordable housing I think at every
[6:20:48] meeting to talk about we've done a builders you must
[6:20:51] can you give us to be units it is going
[6:20:54] to give you a whole
[6:20:56] so I am taking this very seriously and Mr Mayor
[6:21:00] I'm gonna second your motion if you are the local
[6:21:05] councillor has a year yet seconded it I'll be I'll
[6:21:10] be very happy to second the motion because I think
[6:21:12] we should support this and and and get the development
[6:21:17] that is needed in that area I can also host
[6:21:20] none Amanda is go up to blast and she's got
[6:21:23] a motion that she'll be making that's that's okay I
[6:21:27] do want to make sure that it is seconded Pacific
[6:21:29] councillor it's going to be great local councillor thank
[6:21:35] okay
[6:21:36] anyways thank you okay your comments regional councillor he's
[6:21:44] thank you Mr chair is three forty I. I. S.
[6:21:49] soon we're gonna come to the end of this sometime
[6:21:52] before dinner or else we'll have to announce that a
[6:21:55] half an hour so this is our longest meeting in
[6:21:58] quite awhile ... yeah I just wanted to say that
[6:22:02] to
[6:22:03] I am very surprised Mister chair add to the approach
[6:22:08] which I think council maybe taking next there have been
[6:22:11] no no ... ... amendment to presented ... to the
[6:22:16] proposed staff for a motion and ... I support the
[6:22:20] proposed staff motion as listed ... I don't this is
[6:22:25] going to
[6:22:26] we have been working very hard on making out transit
[6:22:30] oriented community you yourself are the best known on our
[6:22:33] council for that purpose this is going to be the
[6:22:36] most car oriented ... development made significant development than we
[6:22:41] do yeah in ... quite some time ... it it
[6:22:46] wouldn't be not very well serviced by transit ... it's
[6:22:50] not as if there's going to be ... every ten
[6:22:52] or twenty minute buses along nineteenth Avenue ... let alone
[6:22:56] ... further up that way
[6:22:59] it is a long way away from shopping
[6:23:02] it's about two to three kilometers which means you're driving
[6:23:06] ... to move the the US market center ... mention
[6:23:10] install real let alone down let's say you go down
[6:23:12] the columns a lot closer to you so a little
[6:23:15] bit further so it's gonna be occurring in the community
[6:23:19] the other thing is going to be is not affordable
[6:23:22] you heard the definition as when I asked about what
[6:23:25] affordable meant to them it's the same price as townhouses
[6:23:30] a little bit removed from the center ... and probably
[6:23:33] not that different than the townhouses that might be build
[6:23:35] install will accept an original thought and I really do
[6:23:40] applaud original thoughts on that and there will be the
[6:23:43] building now a second suites which allows someone who is
[6:23:47] paying the eight hundred thousand dollars for the townhouses ...
[6:23:51] to get some money back and also be able to
[6:23:53] afford it's almost double the price of that the region
[6:23:58] pushing for affordable which there was no answer on the
[6:24:01] on the singles ... we actually didn't hear price on
[6:24:04] singles are I have no doubt it's over million over
[6:24:08] the million dollar level
[6:24:10] but nevertheless ... if people actually think on our council
[6:24:14] but this is affordable then they ought to just go
[6:24:16] back two weeks and see how our portable was to
[6:24:19] find out when we had a workshop on the subject
[6:24:22] a good deal lower than this so it's neither affordable
[6:24:26] it is in a you know it's going to it
[6:24:28] doesn't got long term care but I would advise the
[6:24:31] people are listening I would advise the developers of the
[6:24:35] land owners who are listening and there are probably as
[6:24:37] one of the other council sets many listening ... and
[6:24:41] they're trying to see how that they get their land
[6:24:43] that is not in the urban boundary how did they
[6:24:45] get it developed sooner rather than ten twenty or thirty
[6:24:49] years from now you know they're sitting on investment equity
[6:24:52] etcetera in a be best to get that money moves
[6:24:55] well tell you come with three things to the province
[6:24:57] and then Martin council by the looks of it will
[6:24:59] be persuaded say something about long term care say something
[6:25:03] about seniors and then say something about affordable and now
[6:25:07] we have heard about the long term care in the
[6:25:10] previous one and I certainly applaud that but if you
[6:25:12] bring those things in there's a good chance you can
[6:25:15] jump the queue that's really what we're looking at is
[6:25:18] how do you get around the political system that we
[6:25:21] have established and run with for many years here in
[6:25:24] in Markham on how planning is orderly our planning will
[6:25:28] each age ... five to ten years we'll take another
[6:25:31] small amount they will take in this quadrant or what
[6:25:35] have you and then the next ... ten years will
[6:25:37] take a few more ... Markham has and we heard
[6:25:41] at the region five regional councillors given the current system
[6:25:46] we have land in the White House in Markham which
[6:25:48] could remain still in the white belt and not in
[6:25:51] the urban boundary in twenty fifty one thirty years from
[6:25:55] now we have the ability we have intersected the lands
[6:25:58] in the white belts which takes is this all this
[6:26:02] land is white that would set her off to the
[6:26:04] east even further we have landed that the region estimated
[6:26:08] two weeks ago will remain
[6:26:10] still White built and nonlinear boundaries for and thirty years
[6:26:15] well of course what I'm saying to the people who
[6:26:17] are listening Mr chair is you better find a way
[6:26:19] to get around that or else you could be sitting
[6:26:22] with land on your hand for thirty years how do
[6:26:24] you get around it long term care has to be
[6:26:26] in your development somewhere you have to appeal to somehow
[6:26:30] procedures although all tell you the housing situation is much
[6:26:34] worse for single families for families who are the working
[6:26:39] poor um that's the ones you really have the greatest
[6:26:42] need and then you wanna talk about affordable whether it's
[6:26:45] affordable or not that will allow you to jump the
[6:26:48] queue
[6:26:49] so that's what we're doing right now we're avoiding the
[6:26:52] system that we established in over many many years we
[6:26:55] work on so I sit and we're also when we
[6:26:59] missing well we orderly planning is at the window that's
[6:27:02] what this is and ... we're also not going to
[6:27:06] the public now I will present to my motion again
[6:27:09] ... ... that the recommendations ... go to I changed
[6:27:13] from special counsel next week through a future council needy
[6:27:17] ... after ... ... any after holding a ... community
[6:27:22] information meeting and yet for
[6:27:24] I do think that's important we're skipping that as well
[6:27:29] the defense is that we are committing are in the
[6:27:31] process of committee against the orderly planning system that we've
[6:27:36] had and being a part of your the chair Mister
[6:27:39] Mister chair you you run it and if you can
[6:27:42] be proud of the system that you been the chair
[6:27:44] of the committee the the offenses against the orderly system
[6:27:49] of planning R. as long as my arm
[6:27:52] we should not be doing this we should not be
[6:27:55] ... listening to this if you and we and we
[6:27:58] can talk about a boundary change today you know that
[6:28:01] did come up maybe we just give it all snowball
[6:28:04] that doesn't mean that the official plan and that doesn't
[6:28:07] mean it's the overall planning system comes into in place
[6:28:10] and all of a sudden it goes down to nineteen
[6:28:12] that being said so ... you know I just think
[6:28:16] that ... and we should look at least holding a
[6:28:19] public meeting let's hear what public say at least don't
[6:28:22] do that offense the planning system ... and ... we
[6:28:25] got lots of time we asked whether or not there
[6:28:28] was a ... any need to be rushed on this
[6:28:31] I'm sure ... one or two weeks to more or
[6:28:35] three weeks more can be and also that would be
[6:28:38] my ... amendments ... that the recommendations ... go through
[6:28:42] a future council meeting
[6:28:45] absolutely
[6:28:46] click she's gonna move the motion and yet you can
[6:28:49] see what it is and then you thought I'd like
[6:28:52] to move right like to move while I've been holding
[6:28:56] you know you I'd like to move the motion of
[6:28:58] the staff is presented the recommendations that have been brought
[6:29:02] forward by the staff I'd like to move that and
[6:29:04] no one smoked it and maybe there's a second ...
[6:29:07] I got shot it's her ward she is asked to
[6:29:10] be lasting she wants she's got a motion she's gonna
[6:29:13] move an amendment if she wishes ... ... and parts
[6:29:17] that then she
[6:29:19] someone else may wish to move it I'm not I'm
[6:29:22] already hopeless due respect the other local councillor I have
[6:29:25] asked to be a speaking ... to be the last
[6:29:28] one to speak so let me see you respect the
[6:29:31] local councillor to to speak for all I have no
[6:29:34] idea modeling
[6:29:36] we're speaking I know I've made a motion some we
[6:29:39] turn any speaker the recommendation of nociceptive nerves and I'm
[6:29:43] I'm not and seconded Mr chair there could be a
[6:29:50] motion to
[6:29:51] recommendation councillor clergy Austin hour and a half ago the
[6:29:55] last and she has a motion okay yeah okay thank
[6:29:59] you I thank you Mr chair really really appreciate it
[6:30:02] ... I was going to speak actually before lunch time
[6:30:05] barred sour cherry said that you know what let all
[6:30:08] the councils speak first and ... I do appreciate that
[6:30:11] are giving me the opportunity to finally speak this is
[6:30:14] my first time to speak and I've been extremely extremely
[6:30:18] patients you want to listen to all the ... you
[6:30:21] know all the previous speaker sound you know to express
[6:30:24] their opinions manner and also ... the perspective as well
[6:30:28] I'm going to have for the last many years Samuel
[6:30:32] as soon as I got a lack of the councillors
[6:30:35] no back in twenty fourteen ... your affordable housing and
[6:30:39] senior housing has always been on top of the hour
[6:30:42] many residents sound mind and that in fact in my
[6:30:46] ward you know I can't could only wish to have
[6:30:50] applications you'll related to senior housing I'll be a long
[6:30:54] term care definitely you know we are or we all
[6:30:58] know that you know the community is in our dying
[6:31:01] need like huge need for long term care but I
[6:31:05] think that the old most of the the people probably
[6:31:08] kinda neglected ... independence our senior living you know people
[6:31:14] like say for example you all my own mother or
[6:31:17] my mother in law you know who can you know
[6:31:19] take care of themselves but they want a place for
[6:31:22] their wrong and it is something that I have been
[6:31:25] always advocating and ... also ... soliciting ... developers every
[6:31:31] time that they went when they have five applications come
[6:31:34] come ye and I always ask them what is your
[6:31:36] components to support that type of that group of residents
[6:31:41] or citizens so ... obviously you know when I when
[6:31:45] I saw this application come in and I do agree
[6:31:47] with the walks ... the Mayor has to say that
[6:31:50] you know that the
[6:31:51] it's not a a spots you'll type of the development
[6:31:55] our our application this application is really could in conjunction
[6:31:59] with what is already approved by the I'll go to
[6:32:03] council of FISA I tell still fill up north there
[6:32:08] and ... most often that you know we see a
[6:32:11] developing ... development which is the old kind of to
[6:32:14] worse to the south and we complain about the traffic
[6:32:18] because you know all the traffic always go to the
[6:32:20] south and and west and this development is actually north
[6:32:25] east which is I I in my opinion I think
[6:32:27] that is fantastic because you know we we're not going
[6:32:31] to be adding your traffic to the most congested out
[6:32:36] way already ... yeah which is to the north east
[6:32:40] and ... no I really like the the components of
[6:32:45] ... ... those so senior buildings and Daniel I do
[6:32:49] hope that the applicants would also add ... out to
[6:32:53] the ... the the bottom amenities would allow ... no
[6:32:57] doctor's office or ... don't like medical offices there to
[6:33:03] support that community as well ... so we'll which is
[6:33:07] so very very important for many seniors and in fact
[6:33:12] in the past ... I have always been advocating that
[6:33:16] ... you'll any application related to senior senior housing or
[6:33:21] affordable housing should be ... somehow on your speed dial
[6:33:28] in terms of the process because you know we we
[6:33:30] frankly we don't have enough of that type of the
[6:33:33] application that we don't have enough stock like that kind
[6:33:36] of housing stock I easy of Markham or even the
[6:33:40] in the GTA area so with that ... I'm really
[6:33:44] in support of this application in fact I am really
[6:33:48] excited to see this is happening in
[6:33:51] in my war again thanks to to ... that time
[6:33:54] will still feel ... you'll because they're they're do all
[6:33:57] majority of the chunk of the development is really in
[6:34:00] in their town and ... the old the the north
[6:34:03] part of my ward how or secure Markham is benefiting
[6:34:07] from whites ... a majority of that develop in is
[6:34:11] that happening it it's going to happen in that in
[6:34:14] still feel so I Mr tab I actually missed the
[6:34:18] chair ... I'm going to move to ... I support
[6:34:22] our this application with the amendments that the ... the
[6:34:26] Mayor has mentioned and also I wanted to make sure
[6:34:29] that are the applicants I it's also are considering ...
[6:34:33] yell at the bottom floor all of those city ...
[6:34:36] buildings that would have ... does some medical centers site
[6:34:40] amenities so that many of the seniors don't have to
[6:34:43] go go too far out to pick up the medication
[6:34:47] or goes to a doctor or down no to do
[6:34:50] blood Pastorini of the health check ... I think that
[6:34:55] this pending make has really taught us a lot of
[6:34:57] lessons including how we can actually protect our seniors ...
[6:35:02] you know if we have those type of our facilities
[6:35:04] are downstairs it would actually help our seniors to provide
[6:35:09] more via the convenience and also a safety protection as
[6:35:12] well so I know that it's ... councillor keys meeting
[6:35:17] is actually right next to my ward and I know
[6:35:20] that you know he's residents with with repair likely be
[6:35:23] ... benefits ... from from this development so I believe
[6:35:26] that that council the cases okay to second it
[6:35:31] yes
[6:35:34] okay that's it yes I just wanted to move the
[6:35:37] motion thank you
[6:35:40] I remember years ago when we were doing that green
[6:35:44] belts white belt I forget how many years ago it's
[6:35:47] not Frank it though it that eleven hundred node at
[6:35:49] the Hilton suites
[6:35:53] I can't hear you
[6:35:55] 12 years ago 1213 years ago
[6:35:58] but one of the things okay that's been change okay
[6:36:01] we're we're doing a planning based at twenty forty one
[6:36:05] now it's fifty one but if you're going to integrate
[6:36:06] transit into into it too is probably twenty sixty one
[6:36:11] anything that I said back then thirteen years ago I'm
[6:36:14] in favor of doing complete planning and and so my
[6:36:18] recommendation to staff would be start planning the rest right
[6:36:22] over the forty eight one there and you can freeze
[6:36:25] but we should start planning that implant a complete integrated
[6:36:29] community and plan to what we're gonna be when they
[6:36:32] grow up and it's a lot easier to eat to
[6:36:34] start really planning your integrated rail transit is when you
[6:36:38] have the complete plan so I support your motion that
[6:36:43] you just made but I think gonna ... looks the
[6:36:46] planning staff should be trying to figure out a way
[6:36:49] how they could complete the future urban areas right or
[6:36:52] forty eight to
[6:36:56] I have no speakers
[6:37:01] come on their stupidity
[6:37:05] so Mister chair I just wanna make sure ... that
[6:37:08] all the elements were captured in concert Collucci stop motion
[6:37:13] and that is ... the requirement of a four acre
[6:37:16] park above the ... Park dedication required for under the
[6:37:21] planning act the contribution of the capital dollars towards the
[6:37:26] construction of the park ... and that ... an additional
[6:37:32] ... seniors building one hundred units of affordable rental as
[6:37:39] defined under York regions are definition for a affordable ...
[6:37:45] ... rental and that the environmental impact studies be undertaken
[6:37:52] and that T. RCA conditions be incorporated as part of
[6:37:56] the ... conditions of of approval and that the site
[6:38:00] plan ... remained are under the control of the city
[6:38:05] of Barca and ... I guess it has to be
[6:38:09] a supper clause which include the clause councillor ray refer
[6:38:13] to ... the ...
[6:38:16] I guess permission to have Sammy's
[6:38:24] and what was that I wanna make sure capture all
[6:38:27] the range that the OP Sammy's just American check check
[6:38:31] and jump in so semi detached houses
[6:38:34] yeah duplexes tri plex
[6:38:39] for praxis
[6:38:42] bungalows the bungalows offs and bunga towns
[6:38:47] okay so that that be included in the range of
[6:38:50] ... Club uses and ...
[6:38:56] 
[6:38:58] sorry it was one more
[6:39:01] what things
[6:39:04] so yes Mr chair sorry I'd also like the inclusion
[6:39:08] and ... I think we'll leave it more general now
[6:39:12] but also the inclusion of ... ... some commercial ...
[6:39:18] and again I think it speaks to our accounts are
[6:39:20] Collucci touched on one aspect of it and that is
[6:39:23] ... having some ... medical ... and I would be
[6:39:28] incorporated but ... also some commercial art you know I
[6:39:32] at this notion and maybe I'll say a little bit
[6:39:36] more at another time ... but we have seniors within
[6:39:40] in different facilities now some of them actually are in
[6:39:44] close proximity of shopping yet they still get a bus
[6:39:48] to pick them up and take them to go shopping
[6:39:52] ... so again I'm not gonna go and and debate
[6:39:55] necessarily all of the points that were raised fair to
[6:39:59] say that there is shopping close by yeah there may
[6:40:02] have to be a shuttle bus that takes on there
[6:40:04] but then I I wouldn't want to exclude ... commercial
[6:40:08] ... completely in that you know that can be incorporated
[6:40:12] within the community ... without also be ... usana maybe
[6:40:18] stopped and helped me there but I don't want to
[6:40:20] get there I don't want to get a up
[6:40:23] I'll tell you right now I don't want to have
[6:40:25] those of the the big box retailers incorporate the side
[6:40:29] because there across the street so ... I I wanna
[6:40:32] make sure that's not what we're suggesting here and that
[6:40:35] the proper working as a corporate sector allows for our
[6:40:39] commercial but I think stop understand the type of commercial
[6:40:42] so you might have to help in the wording here
[6:40:45] ... it's not it's not a whole sale a by
[6:40:48] the way you can now set up on the big
[6:40:50] box retailer here it's it's about incorporating detailed that sign
[6:40:55] up it's obviously available to not just the seniors but
[6:41:00] the families with them number
[6:41:03] maybe start can help ... help craft that particular box
[6:41:07] lots
[6:41:09] and ... the other thank you Mr chairman it really
[6:41:13] speaks to ... regional council pizza comments which
[6:41:19] I'll tire I I
[6:41:22] I've tried to stick to the issue and I will
[6:41:25] stick to the issue I'll take my own advice ...
[6:41:28] but after hearing those comments I I have a few
[6:41:32] comments of my own for the next fifteen minutes and
[6:41:35] I don't want to waste committees time ... by our
[6:41:39] I would just say and I think others of Senate
[6:41:41] while we get advice from our style
[6:41:46] we take everything into consideration and then there's council makes
[6:41:50] a decision and let's be very very clear
[6:41:54] this is in front of us
[6:41:56] we didn't ask to be here it's in front of
[6:41:58] us and now we have a decision to make do
[6:42:02] you want to incorporate these elements in a response to
[6:42:06] the province to what's been put in front of us
[6:42:09] or do you want not to do that and ...
[6:42:13] you know maybe lose a an opportunity to get some
[6:42:17] things for the city of Markham and that that's what
[6:42:21] life is it's about decisions and ... and even when
[6:42:25] you don't want to deal with something ... I think
[6:42:28] you have to sort of make a statement about how
[6:42:31] you want to deal with something and and ... trying
[6:42:35] to avoid it doesn't necessarily get you anymore benefit for
[6:42:39] the community that that we're trying to Sir ... so
[6:42:42] I'll leave my comments for another day Mister chair ...
[6:42:46] because everyone awaits committees time but I I will just
[6:42:49] say that this should go to council tomorrow as well
[6:42:53] and again I only say that because I think it's
[6:42:56] before us because it's being given serious consideration and the
[6:43:02] ward councillor and others you know we can help meetings
[6:43:05] we can certainly provide further comments ... I I want
[6:43:09] perhaps to take another two minutes for ... Carolines or
[6:43:14] the commissioner just to confirm there will be other parts
[6:43:19] of this process that will have to come back to
[6:43:22] council and will be subject to artificial
[6:43:28] planning hearing those elements of the planning process and maybe
[6:43:32] they could describe what they are
[6:43:35] Mr Mayor
[6:43:37] thank you very much Mister chair the planning process is
[6:43:41] subsequent to this and said ... and it's not flat
[6:43:44] it would come in with a ... subdivision application
[6:43:48] there are some blocks on the plans to there be
[6:43:50] site plan required for all the blocks in the plan
[6:43:54] to those processes staff will be engaged involved here statutory
[6:43:58] requirements associated with these processes which do include public consultation
[6:44:03] on the subdivision review they'll be dropped lands of sub
[6:44:06] subdivision which will address many of the issues you're we
[6:44:10] talk about today including servicing and ... and so forth
[6:44:14] will be able to capture a lot of what we
[6:44:17] talked about to that to that of doubt planned subdivision
[6:44:21] process of falling which obviously they'll be registration and so
[6:44:24] forth ... in terms of next steps up we've heard
[6:44:30] Mr Mayor and ... Mister chair some of the comments
[6:44:34] and ... cancer Collucci from your proposed a motion and
[6:44:38] that somebody at the digitalized for council tomorrow what we
[6:44:41] could do is bring back a ... a resolution that
[6:44:46] council could consider dial can caps late will be heard
[6:44:49] here today specifically around the provision of affordable housing we
[6:44:54] talked a lot about that we talked about exceeding the
[6:44:57] park land requirements and so forth so we could bring
[6:45:00] some of that back to more to council Mr archer
[6:45:04] and that works
[6:45:06] and I start shooting stand up you want to speak
[6:45:09] a few minutes ago so you still want to speak
[6:45:11] secure
[6:45:13] no Sir I'm good for now thank you all
[6:45:16] thanks maybe I would just like to confirm hi ...
[6:45:19] I agree with cancer Colucci of adding the commercial space
[6:45:22] ... ... on the main floor to have ... maybe
[6:45:26] doctors offices or things like that and maybe like the
[6:45:29] mayor said maybe even a little bit general so that
[6:45:31] if he needed to have like a convenience or grocery
[6:45:33] store for the seniors but we if we are given
[6:45:36] a bit of flexibility that would just help us out
[6:45:39] thank you Sir all
[6:45:40] ... grace can you put the you know the motion
[6:45:44] up on the screen if you're gonna ready and in
[6:45:47] Calgary Joe councillor Keith
[6:45:51] thank you Mr chair ... ... I would like to
[6:45:56] move but under management so I'm not going to insist
[6:45:59] on the fact that the motion was on the floor
[6:46:01] because I think from having read it reading the cards
[6:46:04] ... I can re did it it likely wouldn't pass
[6:46:08] and just the latest all process ... so let's move
[6:46:11] on if people don't agree with the motion being put
[6:46:14] forward by council cheating Morgenstern as I will ... but
[6:46:19] nevertheless are presented a ... an amendment there is no
[6:46:22] urgency remember we talked about urgency to last time but
[6:46:26] there is no urgency in this one ... so I
[6:46:29] would like to move ... and members that the recommendations
[6:46:33] ... ... and ... as adopted by council ... and
[6:46:37] no the recommendation go to future council ... ... after
[6:46:41] holding a community information meeting in the end for ...
[6:46:46] and so this would mean that it wouldn't go tomorrow
[6:46:48] it could go in two weeks tomorrow ... ... but
[6:46:52] in the interim there would be a ... community information
[6:46:55] meeting such a ... such an amendment would at least
[6:46:59] honor ... the process that ... we have always followed
[6:47:02] here in Markham that church important should developments planning development
[6:47:07] it's better I think this one is ... at least
[6:47:10] to have a public meeting or a community meeting I
[6:47:13] was it may not be required I remind council that
[6:47:16] we unanimously sent down to the same ministry ... is
[6:47:21] that going to get the response are requesting them to
[6:47:25] introduce uh this kind of public consultations into the process
[6:47:30] at present it's not there it would be reasonable for
[6:47:33] Martin to honor the resolution we sent down two weeks
[6:47:36] ago to have such a meeting even though it's right
[6:47:39] now it's not in the process that's why we call
[6:47:41] it community information meeting rather than a public meeting which
[6:47:46] is the official word for it so there's my recommendation
[6:47:50] ... Ford amendment
[6:47:51] and I'm hoping I can find a second year I
[6:47:53] think we'll narrow strip hideous motion included going to council
[6:47:58] tomorrow
[6:47:59] yes and I'm making a ... a recommendation look at
[6:48:03] their goal ... in probably in two weeks tomorrow I
[6:48:08] think we have a meeting in two weeks tomorrow got
[6:48:10] a next meeting in my mind ... but nevertheless it's
[6:48:15] this of passes then back to the recommendation passes name
[6:48:19] with the ... it we're going to weeks and I
[6:48:23] think it's reasonable to ... we took it once already
[6:48:25] and I'm I'm I'm thinking out because there's no rush
[6:48:28] Mr chair ... that there may be others who would
[6:48:31] like to support this time because it's not our urgent
[6:48:34] need it's not urgent that we have some kind of
[6:48:37] resolution by the end of the month
[6:48:39] Skippy
[6:48:40] our future
[6:48:43] if the date is referencing reference I don't I don't
[6:48:47] mind a reference to the community leading aren't for nations
[6:48:50] meeting ... I think if the date is taken out
[6:48:53] of that ... actually are friendly ... change that could
[6:48:56] be incorporated ... I I I think it was very
[6:49:00] evident this morning because of a number of factors why
[6:49:04] so we probably should have gotten comments stock ... you
[6:49:08] know funding for the LTC was was one of them
[6:49:12] and I will go through the other elements I think
[6:49:14] that with this I would really hate for us to
[6:49:19] Mr a window of opportunity and ... I think guarantees
[6:49:24] comments to the province we can always add more ...
[6:49:29] but I think it it clearly states what our interests
[6:49:32] are in our interests are in the interests of ...
[6:49:35] of the broader community so certainly an information meeting I'll
[6:49:41] tire ... I can't speak to it but I think
[6:49:44] that's probably been ... certainly much more people aware in
[6:49:49] that area related to the planning process and the witcher
[6:49:52] Stovall side ... over the past several months and then
[6:49:57] ... this may generate ... that being sad ... I
[6:50:01] think having a community meeting that that we can share
[6:50:05] some of this information more widely but I would just
[6:50:09] say this I I I think it's important we get
[6:50:12] comments actually down to the province of Ontario because after
[6:50:16] the fact so it's a little tougher to do and
[6:50:19] I'm always one to say use the levers that you
[6:50:22] have available to you to look out for what we
[6:50:26] want and then that if we have more levers if
[6:50:29] we have the luxury of more Sievers down the road
[6:50:32] ... ... then we use them but I'd hate for
[6:50:35] that opportunity to pass by site I will disagree and
[6:50:39] there were other other factors as to why getting comments
[6:50:42] down the problem
[6:50:43] once with the previous application and for this one I
[6:50:46] would just say I don't want to miss the window
[6:50:47] of opportunity
[6:50:50] can you open up sold on the motion to go
[6:50:53] to council tomorrow
[6:50:55] ... Mr okay I've got my thing on to speak
[6:50:58] B. R. N. men's earlier meant it's councillor Calpine I'm
[6:51:03] sorry
[6:51:05] earn
[6:51:06] thank you Mr chair ... yes it looks like ...
[6:51:12] we need a second or for regional council heats motion
[6:51:15] for the amendment so if he's if he still wants
[6:51:18] to leave that amendment on the floor then I'll I'll
[6:51:20] I'll seconded
[6:51:21] and I also would like to respond very briefly to
[6:51:25] a couple of comments from the Mayor ... ... I'm
[6:51:29] not quite sure
[6:51:31] really I was the target of of of his comments
[6:51:33] and ... and I'm not quite sure why he was
[6:51:36] getting so agitated when I said that we needed to
[6:51:39] listen to our consultants and our expert staff and so
[6:51:41] forth I was really quite frankly referring to the MCR
[6:51:44] in the LNA and that absolutely I agree we need
[6:51:48] to make decisions but we need to make decisions when
[6:51:50] we have all the information and quite frankly were were
[6:51:53] it looks like we're rushing to make a decision today
[6:51:56] part partner ... and all in a border I want
[6:51:59] to make it abundantly here are wasn't agitated because of
[6:52:02] council McAlpine I was not at all no no I
[6:52:07] was I I respect that perspective of getting a staff
[6:52:12] comments and and I'd never at but I wasn't educated
[6:52:15] ... about anything you said after hearing a speech a
[6:52:20] quite lengthy one I've got another
[6:52:23] you say about refuting everything that was said and one
[6:52:27] thing I will say is that if we're going to
[6:52:29] share something publicly that was discussed in camera at least
[6:52:33] get your information right but I'll leave that for another
[6:52:36] day Mister chair and I wasn't educated about you at
[6:52:39] all councillor
[6:52:41] well thank you very much anyway my point was that
[6:52:44] if we're going to involves as I said our consultants
[6:52:47] and staff at the region of the city cetera ...
[6:52:50] I think we do it behooves us to to to
[6:52:53] listen to them not definitely to follow them but to
[6:52:55] listen to them and can make make sure we have
[6:52:58] all the information and quite frankly we don't have all
[6:53:01] the information today so I'm as I said earlier I
[6:53:04] think ... it premature to B. two B. ... ...
[6:53:08] voting on this application and it's not clear to me
[6:53:10] at all white needs to go by and Ms that
[6:53:12] out ... what's the rush there's no emergency ... and
[6:53:17] I think we would make better planning decisions anyway I
[6:53:19] will second ... ... councillor it's a regional conflict
[6:53:25] also right
[6:53:28] thank you and the other adjustment that needs to be
[6:53:30] made in the ... amendments that Mr method risk here
[6:53:33] is that the number of units had gone down so
[6:53:36] that needs to be incorporated in the resolution the staff
[6:53:44] councillor hosted and the other thing Mr Mr tears ...
[6:53:48] regional council he put the motion on the floor to
[6:53:50] meet the staff recommendation I second it suits their to
[6:53:53] be voted so it needs to be voted down first
[6:53:55] also right motions already on the floor I was holding
[6:53:58] it down councillor Colucci had indicated an hour and a
[6:54:02] half or actually book two or three hours ago that
[6:54:06] location read the rest of us didn't know so maybe
[6:54:08] the club can help out but there is a motion
[6:54:10] on the floor and that can be voted down and
[6:54:12] then council pollute you can put her motion and that's
[6:54:14] the way my understanding is how it works but there
[6:54:17] is a motion on the floor and then now we
[6:54:20] have the amendment to the motion right so we're not
[6:54:22] making up the rules as we go I'm
[6:54:25] I'll post the chair I am withdrawing my motion my
[6:54:29] account as well as you can and I don't want
[6:54:31] to delay distribu longer work or fourteen I can see
[6:54:35] on my clock so I'm withdrawing my motion in favor
[6:54:39] of their what they recommend staff recommendation council include cheese
[6:54:42] motion is what we vote on okay enough the first
[6:54:46] thing if I'm one of the vote on the amendment
[6:54:47] is
[6:54:49] 2 weeks to council instead of tomorrow
[6:54:52] okay can
[6:54:55] if you wanna
[6:54:57] can we gotta do the roll call ... he's in
[6:55:00] favor Mr Mayor
[6:55:03] Marge's gonna say just just be clear what you're asking
[6:55:06] us to vote on because ... particularly in this form
[6:55:09] I don't want any misunderstandings at all yes tomorrow is
[6:55:13] what
[6:55:14] the night
[6:55:15] so instead of going to nine it's going to go
[6:55:18] to two weeks from that once the next council working
[6:55:22] days all
[6:55:25] January twenty third so instead of the nine go to
[6:55:30] February twenty third
[6:55:32] all in favor
[6:55:34] mmhm well I agree that includes Mr share any community
[6:55:39] information meeting in the end for
[6:55:42] that that that's part of it I mean there's no
[6:55:44] need to delay it if you're not doing something Indian
[6:55:49] we'll be doing a lot of information
[6:55:52] I have 4 opposed
[6:55:56] where's your hand Mr Mayor I'm sorry you didn't say
[6:55:59] in favor also had Florida okay a post
[6:56:04] 123456
[6:56:08] coach and also your hand
[6:56:11] 7
[6:56:13] TJ Jones nine for the night okay now will go
[6:56:18] back to the main motion which is councillor Collucci certainly
[6:56:24] yeah with masking fifties the add ons
[6:56:27] can you put up on the screen please slash race
[6:56:31] that's
[6:56:48] sorry
[6:56:53] check
[6:56:58] that would be
[6:57:01] you could a little bigger
[6:57:04] the thing on the bottom right hand corner just move
[6:57:07] that
[6:57:14] yeah
[6:57:15] the
[6:57:17] Mr chairman there's no approval in their their needs vehicle
[6:57:21] route
[6:57:22] even though I'm not favorite there's no approval clause in
[6:57:25] there which has been taken out of the old one
[6:57:27] which for the staff turned down now and yet to
[6:57:30] have that it be approved
[6:57:34] she
[6:57:38] can you
[6:57:42] so
[6:57:54] can we put approval that we which are
[6:58:00] we're looking at yeah
[6:58:04] and Committee approved the consent of all
[6:58:09] with the following conditions Mr I think the wording is
[6:58:13] not approved we don't we don't approve ministers owning orders
[6:58:16] but support with the following conditions
[6:58:37] when committee supports the Ministry of sorting order with the
[6:58:41] following additional permit conditions
[6:58:45] we could see committee not to council
[6:58:50] especially
[6:58:52] all ICS which
[6:58:59] okay
[6:59:01] everybody okay with that yeah
[6:59:04] Mr Mayor
[6:59:09] I can't see anybody
[6:59:11] loans chair I think ... I mean stock could fix
[6:59:15] this up but I I really think that so after
[6:59:18] clause one
[6:59:20] yes I understand the intent of the resolution so you
[6:59:24] have clause one and I think clause to because that
[6:59:28] will be ... you know are because this does go
[6:59:32] to council this isn't delegated to ... development services close
[6:59:38] to would be ... that the city of Markham supports
[6:59:42] B. at AM central and our obviously there's a number
[6:59:47] or some kind of number associated with that I think
[6:59:51] they can put that in later the city of Markham
[6:59:53] supports that the minister zoning ... order which is ...
[6:59:58] the following conditions and request the minister peninsula municipal affairs
[7:00:04] to include these conditions in order
[7:00:15] so
[7:00:22] okay
[7:00:42] so should she give
[7:00:46] what
[7:00:51] this okay well you can work it you can check
[7:00:54] set up after that Mr chairman what about the servicing
[7:00:58] it they should be in there is the condition I
[7:01:00] think it should or is the covered in something that's
[7:01:03] already there the first
[7:01:19] I think we need it in there
[7:01:21] the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant
[7:01:28] yeah sure Prasad we needed and yes Mr chairman you
[7:01:32] definitely needed in there I think it could be that
[7:01:36] confirmation of the servicing arrangement proposed by the applicant
[7:01:45] so is that for a minute there I thought I
[7:01:48] was talking to myself
[7:01:52] and Mister chair Mister chair we could that stop look
[7:01:55] at this tonight and
[7:01:56] the matter is making it all the lots are
[7:01:59] it's servicing servicing arrangements
[7:02:07] I see I NG
[7:02:15] okay maybe just put municipal servicing in front municipal just
[7:02:19] to be clear
[7:02:22] okay
[7:02:24] the staff to clean it up has to be absolutely
[7:02:27] Mister chairman was the consistent I to get back to
[7:02:29] you okay can I share last year sorry not and
[7:02:33] I may have confused the issue ... when I said
[7:02:37] that so
[7:02:38] the applicant had offered up to additional acres it's not
[7:02:43] expanding the existing park from two it would it would
[7:02:48] that the applicants ...
[7:02:51] and and again it whether it's the applicant or the
[7:02:54] ministers zoning order but either way the applicant provide
[7:03:00] shortly yours
[7:03:02] of occasional park land
[7:03:05] above and beyond the requirements in the planning act
[7:03:15] so would be our transitional four acre park as I
[7:03:18] said whatever amenities we alternately decided if this zoning order
[7:03:24] gets gets approved
[7:03:30] the park land dedication in in the planning act
[7:03:35] required by the planning act sorry
[7:03:42] we're
[7:03:48] okay
[7:03:50] I can't he would go along so everybody okay with
[7:03:53] that Mr merry okay
[7:03:55] the next order we've we've missed anything bigger probably catch
[7:03:59] it tomorrow it accounts okay so let's go to this
[7:04:03] so I can of the boat because I can't see
[7:04:05] anybody
[7:04:11] so all in favor of the
[7:04:14] Clea
[7:04:17] motion
[7:04:21] the Cao one
[7:04:24] 2345678
[7:04:29] post
[7:04:32] 12345 let's 13 miscarriage
[7:04:39] questions where are we now
[7:04:46] second markets general be at another date
[7:04:50] we don't need the part will have the presentation everything
[7:04:53] motions anybody got any
[7:04:55] regional council he
[7:04:59] we did did for Mr chaired the Markham center to
[7:05:03] ... another DST but we also have the ... the
[7:05:07] confidential agenda and I read it carefully ... I eat
[7:05:13] let's get into that I just wanna go through ...
[7:05:15] I was just gonna recommend we send it on to
[7:05:17] council ... ... it to
[7:05:20] I have no problem with that
[7:05:22] it
[7:05:24] moved the motion sent on the council's seconded by councilor
[7:05:29] Luci all in favor
[7:05:32] opposed carries
[7:05:35] so there's no motions no notice of motions any new
[7:05:38] or other business
[7:05:41] announcements
[7:05:44] so we just have a motion to adjourn
[7:05:47] moved by concert Eastman second by councillor I Keyes all
[7:05:53] in favor
[7:05:54] opposed carries 6
[7:05:59] four twenty five jujur four twenty five well I think
[7:06:03] so lot of territory
[7:06:06] one way or the other
[7:06:08] 6