I woke Muskoka ... good on my end yeah we're
streaming now Mr chairman
okay or
good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's development services statutory
public meeting
I'm Keith Irish the ward one councillor for the city
of Markham vice chair of the city's development services committee
and chair of its statutory public meetings
I want to extend a warm welcome on a beautiful
June evening to those that are joining us my colleagues
and I know you're giving up of your time this
evening and we appreciated as to the applicants and staff
from the city of Markham
under the authority of bill one ninety seven and the
city's procedural by law and in consideration of the advice
of public health authorities this meeting is being conducted electronically
before we begin the development services public meeting there are
a few housekeeping matters that I need to address
this is a statutory public meeting being held pursuant to
the planning act with respect to the two items before
us tonight
the purpose of this meeting is to receive feedback from
members of the public on the proposals submitted
no decision has been made on these applications any final
decision will not be made tonight
please note that a person or public body must make
an oral or written submissions to the City before a
decision is made if they wish to have status in
the event that the application is appealed to the local
planning appeal tribunal or L. Pat
I think members of committee of enough experience working with
this format and with me is there chair
excuse me I'm just counting a few technical problems there
my apologies
excuse me I think I'm I think members of committee
of enough experience working with this format and me is
there chair that'll just quickly remind everyone
that if you'd like to speak to let the clerk
know using the chat function and please keep your microphone
muted when you're not addressing the committee
although we are gathering remotely all of our proceedings remain
open to the public as always tonight's meeting is being
live streamed on the city's website Markham dot CA we
also welcome and encourage participation by members of the public
on this point members of the public can participate in
tonight's meeting by written submission to clerks public at Markham
dot CA or by making a life deputation to the
committee using zoom or your telephone
if you would like to speak of tonight's meeting please
contact the city clerk's office at the email or phone
number that appears at the bottom of the public live
stream and I get that again is clerks public at
Markham dot CA or nine oh five four seven nine
seven seven six zero staff are standing by and will
provide those requesting to join with the information to access
the video conference
I will call for deputations after staff and the applicants
have made their presentations and Alaska each to keep them
to ten minutes or less I will pause periodically throughout
the meeting to allow members of the public to reach
out and join us if they'd like to
I will now now ask our director of planning actually
I think it's our senior development manager Ron Blake who
I saw a little earlier to introduce themselves and the
city staff who are with us tonight run over to
you
thank you Mr chairman I name is Ron Blake and
senior manager of development and ... the planning department in
the city of Markham and with me tonight for the
first item is ... Dimitri pack rat us the senior
planner with the city of Markham who will be presenting
from ... the city standpoint on the proposed application for
a auto repair and body shop on toward pre road
as well Stephen Lew who is the manager of the
Central District is also present and for the second item
Rick Cefaratti is who is a senior planner with the
city of Markham he's the file planner for the shoulder
I saw ... hospital application redevelopment by liberty developments and
... Stephen Kinnock I'll lie is the ... manager of
the west district who is also in attendance
okay thank you Ron I'm also going to take advantage
of the fact that I have everyone's attention here at
the beginning of the meeting and thank those members of
the clerk's department that are supporting us right for all
that they do that would be Martha Pettit tennis whether
... Mary Jane quit Chesney and lower goal so with
that let's begin on call upon the clerk to do
a roll call of members Laura already
thank you Mr chair I will now start the will
call
mayor Frank Scarpitti
I'm here
Deputy Mayor gone
good evening president
our regional councillor Jackie
I'm here
regional councillor Joe Li crescent
regional councillor Jim Jones president
councillor Keith Irish
here
councillor Alan Ho
sends
councillor Reid McAlpine here
councillor Karen rait presents
councillor Andrew looking
president
councillor Amanda Collucci
yeah
councillor calendars men
councillor following
president
I have not completed the roll call and I and
you may proceed to start the meeting
right thank you Lauren I'll now ask the clerk to
confirm the Mandarin date upon which notice of this meeting
was provided
thank you Mr chair for the first item for Wayne
Canada thank you to all five four of the road
there were thirty nine notices mailed on may twenty sixth
two thousand and twenty one and the public meeting farmers
posted on may twenty fifth two thousand and twenty one
well ... and it was also confirmed on that particular
day there was no written submissions
right on thank you Mr
okay thank you Laura so run Dimitri over to you
thank you Mr chair ... Dimitri up her gratis who
is the father planner on this application has a presentation
and the after Dimitri the applicant is also available for
presentation as well
so Dimitri you can begin
okay great hi everybody
once again
I will concede us
good evening Mr chairman committee members and members of the
public my name is to meet for gratis I am
a senior planner with the city's planning and urban design
department and the purpose of Plains public meeting is to
discuss application submitted by wings Canada ink One official plan
and zoning bylaw amendment to prevent an automotive service building
and body shop development at two five towards the road
we note that there's also a concurrent site plan application
under review for this proposal as well let's begin with
the area context
this
subject lands as outlined in red
approximately two point zero nine hectares in size are located
on the west west of the intersection of Torbay road
and Victoria Park Avenue missling illness to five Tory rode
subject lands came in existing one story ... multi unit
industrial mixed use office warehouse building with an FSA of
with the G. a fair cross for area of eight
thousand seven hundred eighty two square meters
surrounding land uses include to the north toward the road
and industrial uses to the east industrial uses as well
as Norodom calling or through a dealership the future wins
... Office nexus three dollar dealership parking area
to the south don mills channel watercourse along with commercial
office uses an existing dealership of Donnelly north Lexus
and to the to the what ... to the ...
to the status of west it is office uses gas
station parking lots an existing commercial and office uses as
well including Woodbine Avenue and Steeles Avenue to the south
moving on to the current proposal
the owner proposes to demolish half of the west portion
of the existing commercial building on the subject lands to
construct two story automotive service building and body shop development
with a gross floor area of three thousand three hundred
thirty three square meters
this will include thirty one vehicular parking stalls for automotive
repair and servicing the parts department office storage and berries
employee ploy amenities they're also hundred ninety six surface parking
spaces proposed on site
the owner proposes vehicular access on the subject lands on
to five toward the road as shown here
and from the lands the salsa don valley north Lexus
of thirty one twenty skills Avenue a shown here
the proposed development would provide an additional service to other
regions automotive sales and service facilities within this vicinity
during this first submission review the owner requested to change
their current proposed current development tools will submission for automotive
service building used by adding and body shop development use
on the subject the site as well as we'd like
to know further details on the proposals was contemplated updates
will be provided in the applicant's presentational
moving on to the political planning policies and application requirements
the subject lands are designated employment area and green way
in the twenty fourteen official plan general employment permits maximum
heights of two stories to common industrial warehousing activities at
work such free office space automotive services ... uses are
not permitted on general employment designations however body shop uses
are permitted as a discretionary land use which requires a
review of site specific development application our policies on the
zoning approval to look at building conformity traffic impractical greenest
meeting specific design designation policies land use compatibility impact mitigation
measures and specific use provisions such as excess realtor display
storage and sense of land use provisions of the owner's
top submitted and Tricia planning them an application from at
the proposed development
within the green way designation or the dawn news channel
so she'd flood plain any new development would require an
appropriate set back from the environmental buffer which which will
determine which will be determined consultation with cities natural heritage
stop and your CA
required zoning bylaw amendment of the subject lands under by
law wanna wait eighty one as amended which sells the
subject lands are M. or select industrial all the zoning
category ...
permits a range of industrial uses however does not permit
the proposed development prohibits repair of ... of ... repair
and servicing of the internal combustion engines and motor vehicles
and some of the uses your submitted as owning bottle
lemon application to permit the proposed development in this case
in terms of outstanding I'd concerns of our items under
review and next steps the following have been identified and
have been updated to consider the added auto body use
city stopper examining the proposal for matters including but not
limited to discretionary land use policies including lands compatibility of
Development compatibility with surrounding uses and including the TRC screenings
all matters as identified before
city staff are also assessing the application for site plan
matters such as building interface compatibility design landscape design and
vehicular put up industrial access matters
other items and ... reviews under under other items under
review next steps to continue all the city bus stop
will examine transportation traffic influx of the city walls review
technical studies submitted in support of the application and the
next step in the planning process includes a consideration the
recommendation report by development service committee and in the event
of approval and adoption of the city's a specific official
plan amendment and an act of the zoning bylaw by
council the endorsement associated ... a contract and by council
endorsement of the social a site plan application would follow
... this concludes my presentation researcher ... I believe Nicolette
G. is here from ... and I miss each and
his also occurred presentation on behalf of the owner thank
you very much
Hey thanks to meet 3 net 40 of
thank you Mr chair and members of council hi my
name is Nick Pelagian I'm a planner with macaulay show
me house and also wanted to note that ... one
of my partners Lorelei Jones is also here this evening
I ... unfortunate scheduling issue where I have to public
meetings in two different units apologies from the same desk
this evening so hopefully I finish this one in time
to catch the next one in ... instill ... but
... Lorelei may end you to assist me with questions
if ... if I do have to leave so she
had her being here and I appreciate the your indulgence
so thanks to Dimitri producing a really good job of
showing the context of the site as he mentioned ...
the site is accessed off of ... Torme road which
is largely an industrial area and have some service commercial
uses surrounding it
the proposal is to demolish the western half of the
building ... the devising line ... is left over there
... and construct motor vehicle sales absurd motor vehicle repair
facility in body shop in its place in the new
facility with thirty one base this gives you ... the
floor plan showing the thirty one days on it the
little ... instead area at the top is the ...
mezzanine area which makes it a two story building there's
some other minor ... tire repair parts the facilities are
small collaboration area on the right
... and the the main change in terms of the
body shop ... that came forward was with regards to
... Wayne's Canada has three or four dealerships in the
area ... don valley north Lexus Don valley Toyota in
the Hyundai dealership and they have a mobile I'll ...
body shop repair ...
company that goes from site to site and sometimes ends
up outside so what they determine those that they will
take some of these ... these days and make them
specific body shop
based
these are the proposed elevations and that I just put
them up there to show you that the building does
look like ... I typical industrial building it's not a
number of garage doors ... you know basically their cars
will be shuttled in from one end of the building
park and then come out on the other end of
the basically the building itself looks like an industrial building
would look in an area
and I mentioned the other ... weeds properties in the
area ... Donna Eleanor flexes stumbling or Toyota and then
in read the ... future head office site ... which
you're just getting ready to start construction on
... and they also on the Hyundai dealership on Woodbine
just south of the floral seven so all of these
facilities will shuttle vehicles already here the public will not
come to this site they will continue to go to
their ... original ... dealership and then ... the technicians
will bring the cars over here for the surplus capacity
it's gonna be created here through through this application
so just to go through the discretionary policies in the
official plan ... you can see that a discretionary uses
permitted in the general employment area for me motor vehicle
body shop and repair facility we're not proposing any outdoor
storage ... so we have made the change to include
the body shop along with that repair facility we believe
an official plan releases longer necessary but certainly if ...
if stop wanna approved or go ahead with no P.
M. M. as well then ... we don't really think
... there's ... there's a need to anymore but ...
it it certainly can go ahead as well we do
one one or the other
so ... as Dimitri mentioned ... winds has submitted a
site plan application ... and we continue to work with
staff on site plan related matters ... I do agree
with Dimitri that there are a number of matters related
to site plan to continue to to ... for us
to work on
... again it's our submission that OP relief is no
longer necessary and that the proposal is for permitted discretionary
use in the official plan
... the site is internal to an employment area and
in our view has no impact on the adjacent uses
... the traffic study that we submitted ... generally shows
work we're actually removing square footage here so we don't
think ... the P. traffic ... is actually lessened
... the proposed vehicle repair and body shop is located
within a holding flows building I showed you the elevations
which show the roll up doors only three roll up
doors at the rear of the site so we're not
looking at thirty at a different pace so I I
do think ... Mr cheer through you to council members
that this is a final P. as owning bylaw that
can proceed directly to council I believe that the matters
... that need to be resolves ... through working with
staff in terms of design and so on and so
forth can certainly be done at the ...
at the site plan process level and we're committed to
continuing to do that ... I think Wayne's as a
good corporate citizen in Markham ... has a lot of
business going on here and certainly ... this would help
expedite the application will be through the process of those
are my submissions Mister chair thank you very much for
your time this evening
Hey thank you neck I have no doubt the tents
that is no members of the public that it registered
to speak on this item so I will move straight
to members of the committee first up is Deputy Mayor
Hamilton
yes thank you Mister chairman I'll try to be brief
...
I was going to move that that ... on page
six of our agenda the bottom a resolution but based
on what next legs you have to say that there
still are site plan issues outstanding and although he and
and although he believes an official plan amendment is not
either ... I'd like to ask our staff ... which
they feel is the more appropriate for a resolution to
move whether it's page six the top resolution which is
a refer back to staff for a recommendation report or
whether we can move this on ... as per the
bottom resolution on page six
but I I do agree with neck that Wayne's is
a great corporate citizen ... they run a great business
there're a very professional
and ... so I'm sort of be talks between so
I wonder either wrong or maybe ... Dimitri
let me know which one they prefer is even known
Nick does prefer one he's the he's the client he's
not the staff
run your muted Sir
my apologies
through you Mr chair
since our we need to review the site plan and
we there's some discussion outstanding as well about the need
for an official plan amendment ... my recommendation would be
good to go back to staff ... with the report
and ... bring that report forward so that we can
discuss these ... these issues more
okay Mister chairman that's what I I'd be happy to
move when the time is right thank you all take
a second or now Deputy Mayor Hamilton moved by the
Deputy Mayor that recommendations seconded by councillor Lee
next up is read this ... sorry Deputy Mayor we've
done yes Sir thank you
regional council he
thank you Mr chair and ... both for good presentations
I noticed in the staff presentation ... Mister chair there's
reference to the need for a transportation study are my
reading I maybe and this is where I would love
that to be corrected is that nobody's driving directly to
it the only transportation impact will be from this location
true greens other locations down the street or at the
end of the block ... then really there's no cars
even going out on to add Tor bay are there
on to our make know unto a larger arterials it's
just in in it just between the various Wiens buildings
are is that is that the correct
that's my understanding but
H. we do want to take that
it was my understanding that there was some sort of
that that there was traffic concern ... I believe there
is a I'm not sure whether there's action number transportation
stuff here but ... even Steven look looks he's going
to come to your rescue years
through you Mr Jeremiah you're standing water transportation our study
is not needed there's a transportation pre McCain are there
won't be any traffic impacts from this
okay
and knowing how this thing works ... ... I thought
that too I didn't see any need for transportation study
actually ... you know a paragraph or two but I
didn't think it study was needed thank you
our to get some air time there Steven your gonna
concur
ghetto
Mister chair all right wonderful next steps mayors carpeting Mr
Mayor
wires to late I was trying to this to say
maybe we could keep our comments brief and back in
on to the next item because you have quite a
number of deputations so I think if there's no one
else ... I guess you can call the question the
structure
it will indeed
all in favor of the motion on the floor
opposed
that's carried wonderful all right we'll move on to the
next item
and I'll ask the clerk to confirm the manner date
upon which notice of this meeting was provided Laura overdue
you
what
well for the item seven five seven seven five believe
you Avenue then in partnership there was one thousand one
hundred and fifty
mark on may twenty sixth two thousand and one and
one of the public meeting fine with posted on may
twentieth two thousand and twenty one there were two hundred
and fifty five written submissions on
all in all
all right thank you Laura run over for the introductions
thank you Mr chair of this application is for a
... high density residential redevelopment on not ... the shoulders
hospital site at seven seven five oh baby l'avenue Rick
Cefaratti is the file planner ... who is handling this
application he has a presentation are on the overall context
and ... after ... Rick Cefaratti has done his presentation
David McKay has who is the planning consultant out working
for the applicant also has a presentation on the detailed
proposal
recklezz recovered you you're still muted back
just so you know
and we can see your slides
thank you Mr our
welcome
thank you ... and members of committee the purpose of
this presentation is to provide an overview
by the area contacts and planning and regulatory framework ...
as Ron mentioned
for the proposal to permit the highrise residential development on
the show this property
and to receive input from the committee and members of
the public so that ... informed recommendation on the proposal
can be provided at a later date
and as Ron mentioned David Makai from MHP MHC binding
is also in attendance for presentation
the show nice property is approximately nine hectares in size
which is about twenty two acres and it's located on
the west side of Bayview Avenue
the ladies golf club of Toronto is located immediately to
the north
to the south of the property is the Glenwood ...
seniors facility
and some low rise residential development
a cross beat you Avenue to the east R. three
high rise towers which are the landmark towers of Thornhill
the fire station
and the foreign health community center
over to the west across the valley is Pomona mills
park and some more low rise residential
the subject lands contain several call cultural heritage resources
including the McCollum the state house which forms part of
the show based hospital itself a a a a gatehouse
and stables adjacent to Bayview Avenue
formal gardens
stone gates and pillars and the gardener's cottage
there are other active development applications in the area which
includes as you well know the the tried out twelve
and fourteen storey residential towers on a ... severed portion
of the ladies golf club property
which also includes a a public park
our Glenwood over to the south is also proposing a
...
I need story building on the existing surface parking lot
and a statutory public meeting was held in may of
twenty eighteen
a cross Bayview Avenue is the timber K. temper creek
proposal ... for approximately five hundred and seventy nine residential
units it's a mixed use mid rise sorry ... high
rise development that will also include a public park fronting
onto John street staff anticipate that a public meeting will
be held ... later in in the fall of of
of this year
in terms of the dish the proposal at seventy seven
fifty Bayview Avenue
the proposal is is for five residential towers ranging in
height between twenty four and thirty five stories and twelve
hundred eighty seven residential units ...
the existing private hospital will continue to operate on the
property for the foreseeable future through a long term lease
arrangement
... the the applicant's presentation will provide more details on
the on the proposal
media the proposal itself will be evaluated within the framework
of the provincial policy statement informing to the growth plan
other provinces growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe the
greenbelt plan
and at the regional level the York region official plan
the provincial policy policy statement provides policy direction to municipalities
to facilitate efficient land use that supports strong healthy communities
through the appropriate mix of residential
institutional employment and recreational uses the growth plan provides a
framework to manage growth by promoting developments of compact complete
communities within the existing built up areas and a green
top and green bell plan identifies natural heritage features for
permanent protection while supporting conservation of forests watersheds recreation and
trail connections
the region's official plan designates the subject lands is urban
area and this provides for a wide range of uses
including residential commercial and institutional uses
in terms of the twenty fourteen market Fisher plan the
property is designated mixed use mid rise and greenway
the mixed use mid rise designation provides for residential dwellings
retail service will tell another commercial uses with a maximum
building height eight stories
the green way designation provides free to logical restoration activity
conservation watershed management but erosion control trails and passive recreation
uses
the site is also subject to a site specific policies
under the twenty fourteen official plan which are under appeal
the purpose of the appeal relates to whether the site
specific policies provide an appropriate policy framework
to to guide potential redevelopment of the subject lands
staff are hoping to resolve this matter through the current
proposal
so until the appeal is resolved the policies of the
nineteen seven official plan remain in force
under the nineteen eighty seven of financial plan the subject
lands are designated institutional and hazard lands
the institutional designation provides for community educational healthcare uses and
hazard lands designation generally prohibits development provides for outdoor recreation
conservation parks and pathway uses
in addition there are there are site specific policies that
the lands are subject to under the Thornhill secondary plan
and these policies provide
from a wide variety of uses including a private hospital
a nursing home retirement housing and residential apartments up to
a maximum of seven hundred twenty five units
amendments to both the market official plan
twenty fourteen and the current and I had the inforce
nineteen eighty seven plan are required to permit the proposed
development
the site is zoned for institutional residential and open space
uses under bylaw twenty to thirty seven
which permits multiple dwelling units a hotel an accessory restaurant
a nursing home
and a private hospital
the zoning permits a maximum seven hundred twenty five units
and this includes dwelling units hotel suites nursing home beds
and private hospital beds and also permits a maximum height
of ten stories adjacent to Bayview Avenue
the zoning is also subject to holding provisions and these
provisions are to ensure that the policies and provisions of
the Thornhill secondary plan with respect to phasing of Development
are implemented in conjunction with servicing allocation the requirement for
future studies of the traffic generation and associated impacts and
the parkland demand from the development
as owning bylaw amendment is also required to prevent the
proposed development
I dropped five subdivision was recently submitted to facilitate the
future extension of royal orchard bill of Boulevard in a
southerly direction to connect to the baby you
green lane intersection
to date staff have identified a number of matters to
be addressed through the review of the subject applications and
these include
compatibility with the existing and planned surrounding surrounding land uses
the appropriateness of the proposed building heights inside density
the proposed form massing orientation and transitions to the existing
residential areas
opportunities to provide affordable housing seniors housing and willing units
that can accommodate a family household size
staff have requested the conceptual master plan for the entire
site showing a full build out scenario from the western
edge of the site to Bayview Avenue
staff will also continue to work
with the applicants to now on the review of the
applicants transportation studies to determine the traffic impacts
staff will also continue an analysis on whether there will
be any impacts on the existing community and recreation facilities
and staff as identified that the proposed concept plan does
not it does not indicate any public park land dedication
and staff will continue to work with the option to
determine the appropriate medication requirements
staff will also continue to review a heritage impact assessment
of the historical and architectural features on the property
in terms of next steps staff recommends that the record
of tonight's public meeting be received that the application be
referred back to staff for a recommendation report that addresses
all of the comments received from the public members of
council staff and external agencies
and so that concludes my presentation as I said earlier
David much Makai from an H. B. C. planning is
available to make a presentation on the details of the
proposal
okay thank you record it over to you
thank you Mr chair ... I'm going to ask ...
Nick is out the ... who is our our clients
architects from WCMH
who is also going to present the other proposal ...
with each night ... to put up his presentation so
if you could let him share his screen not be
wonderful
and while that's going on ... I'll just do some
quick introductions my name is Stephen macaulay I'm a registered
professional planner with an H. B. C. as I said
Nick is with us from a W. Zedd MH architects
and we have a number of other ... of our
consultants you cling engineer and traffic on the line as
well to respond to any detail questions that may occur
Nick are you able to share that your present the
presentation was willing up mount David okay thank you very
much
so thanks for brick for for that introduction I'll go
to the first slide
sorry
great thank you very much
so as recognition the site is located on the shortlist
hospital our property and ... on fronting onto baby other
is as part of this development and the extension of
royal orchard Boulevard to the Greenlee and a Bayview intersection
proposed as part of the plan of subdivision
in the context as you can see we are proposing
five ... ... Toler elements of it as part of
three buildings on the site ... that surround the existing
hospital including the heritage elements and those ... and as
you'll see later on ... that's a good portion of
the site is subject to a long term lease to
shortlist possible so those lands are not going to be
redeveloped in the near future ... as you can see
the proposal located outside of the the green areas which
represent the valley land offers and what we're
as will be shown in the further slides there's a
substantial amount of green space being remaining on the property
as well looks like
in terms of the development ... we are dealing with
that the north walk the area in yellow ... this
represents approximately
thirty percent of the entire property about six point seven
acres ... and we are looking at said extension of
royal orchard Boulevard which splits of the site between the
north walk in the cell block and the east bloc
and so the north walk is what the applications are
intended to deal with
all within that block in NYC begin smart the design
details but we are proposing a private road system that
will continue through ... encircle in blue through and connect
into the existing drive we are system the services shoulders
and they're ready arrows at the bottom are the existing
fire emergency access to the repair site
with regards to the cell block as it mentioned it
is remaining as part of a long term lease of
so that area is not subject to any redevelopment at
this time
and you can see a purple area which is the
identified heritage features which is the formal gardens associated with
the original house on the property and we're working with
staff with regards to the preservation of that and designation
of that feature as well as other features on site
... through the process so that is an ongoing process
that we're dealing with but the intent obviously is that
the shoulder operations will remain a place where they are
medium to long term at this point talk
next slide
as I mentioned the yellow area the north block is
approximately thirty percent of the site ... that's almost equivalent
to what is being dedicated to the municipality through the
development process in terms of the valley lands are associated
with more the creek as well as the royal orchard
road extension the long term leasehold lands represent thirty six
percent and will stay largely in the current configuration of
subject to some upgrades to to the ... formal gardens
that are proposed and then the east what was left
over that is subject to a number of different constraints
and opportunities that will be explored through a future application
in the future ... once were larger distance
Ford and other road trips are undertaken
so with that I'm gonna passed over to next to
describe some of the details of this on the site
and how we came up with the design that you
see before you today thank you
thank you David good evening everyone my name is Nichola
cosatu principle of this ... WCMH architects and I will
be presenting a few slides talking about the design of
seventy seven fifty Bayview
first I would like to discuss the key feature of
the development which is to provide a public access through
the site to the Pomona creek valley here ... this
path starts at the royal orchard
comes along the north edge of the site and then
comes right down into the site past the formal gardens
with a great view of the existing heritage hospital and
comes around
and goes right down into the valley away from any
kind of traffic or ...
the roadway that's actually going through the site
this is a view looking at that walkway that goes
through this multi use path that goes through the site
and what we've done with the design of the residential
towers is to place all of the very active amenities
on the ground floor and on some of the higher
terraces ... so that this pathway is animated and it's
also well lit and safe for pedestrians to use to
get down to the OP homeowner Creek Valley so we'd
landed with landscape features and we've also animated it with
the existing
terrorists that the hospital currently enjoys looking on to that
walkways we feel that this is a very
pleasant environment for ... community members to actually pass through
the site and go down and enjoy the Pomona Creek
Valley
as David mentioned we place the buildings on the yellow
portion of the site that you saw and that's as
far away as possible that we can get from the
residential neighborhoods and you can see some of the dimensions
here that we're talking about ... the closest dimensions to
the southern neighborhood is about one hundred meters
to the west the development is a hundred and fifty
meters away from the western neighbourhood and into the southeast
were two hundred and thirty meters away from the residence
to the south
and then were generally two hundred and twenty plus or
minus meters away from a few happen you so we've
concentrated our density into the middle of the site so
that we can stay away from the residential neighborhoods and
mitigate the impact we have on
the highest building is in fact 30
4 story building here
and then the buildings we get lower and lower as
we go towards the south and west
one of the strategies that we took here was to
create tall and slender buildings as opposed to a lower
and wider buildings lower and wider buildings cast bigger shadows
than taller and slender buildings so we opted for that
approach you can see clearly here the taller angular line
is the forty five degree angular plane that cities will
use to mitigate the shadowing impact and impact of the
views from the residential neighborhood and we're well below those
forty five degree angular planes were in the low thirties
and high twenties but twenty I think ... twenty nine
on the baby's side in thirty five thirty two thirty
five on the on the residential sites were well below
the anchor plane which means we're doing our utmost to
keep the impact to the residential neighborhoods to a minimum
the site plan itself up to take you through the
site plan which
the first thing we did is put a private drive
around the perimeter of the site to capture all of
the entrances to the three buildings that we are proposing
so one of the entrances drop off areas is here
just north looking over the golf course the other one
is sort of in the
F. middle of the site to drop off with these
two buildings which collected those into one entrance and then
finally the south tower as a drop off located here
and that means that we can connect this to the
existing south service drive that connects back to royal orchard
so nice neat circular vehicular patterns which is in line
by sidewalks will have provisions for cycling ... infrastructure as
per the the standards
the existing hospital as David save Russia remains for the
foreseeable future and the five towers are located here here
here here and in this location here you can clearly
see the path that cuts through the site so that
residents and the public can enjoy the existing out formal
gardens of the hospital and we turn towards the south
and west and come through this with this beautiful landscape
that takes us out to the Pomona valley
not only Creek Valley
the buildings it is it's very early stages of the
building but in this case here we've looked at stepping
the top of the buildings to mitigate their impact and
to create a very unique look for ... for the
development on the skyline
so this is a view from the
north east looking southwest
thank you very much
thank you Mr chair were we're pleased to answer any
questions that you may have been to respond yeah and
listen to any comments that we come from the public
thank you very much thank you David could I get
you to stop Schering screen
thank
so ... I have a few items I just quickly
want to cover before I start calling on members of
the public who have registered to speak to us this
evening
so I want everyone to be aware that we have
a long meeting ahead of us you need to be
patient as I move through the list of currently forty
five people who have registered to address committee on this
item
like to remind the debutantes that they have five minutes
to address the committee I will be adhering to the
speaking limit to ensure an efficient meaning
please don't take offense I will give you a one
minute warning and then we'll have to move on to
the next speaker I think that's not only fair to
you but to your neighbors as well
if you are registered to speak please be patient we
have probably more than three hours of public deputations and
your name will be called eventually I promise you
the clerk is also advised me the Deputy and should
keep their video turned off until it is their turn
to speak and their microphones turned off as well
the clerk is also advised me the deputation should leave
the zoom meeting once they have finished speaking and join
the live stream where you can continue to listen in
to the other debutants and our proceedings this will make
it easier from a meeting management perspective
so with that I'll call on the first registered debutante
and that is Eric Lincoln Eric
you have 5 minutes
Erica you with us
Eric Laken last call
for people who are registered and are unavailable when I
called them I will call them again a little bit
later when it's convenient
I am committed to hearing from everyone that has registered
if they're here Eric last call
Jerry Brown not
okay let me know Laura when you just text me
when he does join us next up is Raymond William
Raymond
and when you are dressing committee we prefer that you
show your video
Raymond yes hi
okay Irish thank you
what we moved into this area a few years ago
we we love it here we love the community fuel
we actually moved over from the east side of Markham
in Cornell ... and what we noticed there was like
it was the area was very intentionally plans all right
so parks schools community centers and the whole area was
developed with those amenities and I I mean like the
city I'm sure paid for it but I know that
like the builders ... you know also put in their
fair share report so I'm definitely not against ... I
guess densification and better use of our space what I'm
asking that you know amenities Buie
how great or you don't improve to match the improvement
of the incoming
I density if we keep everything as is but we
adding all these extra people well it's going to put
a lot of burden on our roads our schools on
our community center and it be great to have this
as a like ... of fox ... and intentionally planned
community with you know with these new residents moving in
with that climbed out and made space made for them
in our parks on our roads with ... you know
I don't think our community center can accommodate this extra
use and I don't want them going to like
private services I I'd I'd love to see our library
be expanded the community center expanded more services added more
facilities made available ... and I think this would be
a great opportunity to do so so thank you for
the for the opportunity to speak
this year we have his address
stop sign so do you want me to tell you
my address yes so I'm sixty four tamarack Dr
thank you
yeah regional cancer Jones the clerk at the clerk captures
all of that information when they register is just
no but be nice to know when introduce themselves that
where they live to
and
... so anybody coming from after that's not absolutely necessary
if you're not comfortable you don't need to but we
do have a record of it
next up is it still be a got to climb
Sylvia
yeah yeah okay okay there you go you're sharing your
screen
and you might be of falling off my screen you
might be muted Sylvia
let me just see if I can see you
thank you Mr chairman members of committee for the opportunity
to speak to this evening
my name is still being Daddy Klein and I am
assist thirty two year resident of Thornhill and co chair
of the Mona Valley steering committee whose interests include the
proposed development and proposed subdivision to facilitate the extension overall
orchard Boulevard the Pomona valley steering committee is made up
of ward one residents our objectives are to educate and
help organize local residents to express expressed concerns regarding the
proposed development more than three hundred residents subscribe to our
newsletter we are in the process of engaging a planning
expert to work with us to and ensure residents voices
are heard throughout the review process
we have eight key concerns with the development as proposed
the density is unsuitable for the low cation the design
is not well integrated within the existing mature community mobility
options at this location are inferior to those on young
street traffic from the site will be even more of
a nightmare the proposed development will damage the rich natural
heritage of the site the cultural heritage aspects will be
overwhelmed
the uncertainty attached to the future phases is worrisome and
there is a need to safeguard the future for the
next generation
liberty is proposed density of twelve hundred ninety seven units
as unsuitable for this location design revisions are needed to
reduce density move the tallest buildings to the part of
the site along Bayview respect the green way areas and
better integrate the overall design within the existing community it
is disappointing to learn that liberty has not taken advantage
of early negative feedback from residents to bring design changes
to this public meeting
this is the current entrance to the site as you
can clearly see this is not young street the phase
one development is set far back from Bayview there is
no higher order transit in the area no go train
no nearby subway station no bus rapid transit
just leaving the site in the morning heart in rush
hour is going to break gridlock in the site and
air pollution for a long line of arguing vehicles will
liberty is proposing a second way on and off the
site with the subdivision plan for roll larger Boulevard good
luck with getting into the line of cars making their
way down roller chain to baby in the morning including
all the cars leaving the new tried old buildings just
north of here
end of day gridlock can be expected on northbound Bayview
as cars queue up to turn left onto the site
further gridlock can be expected as westbound Karsten John street
turned north on Bayview and attempt to cross two lanes
to get to the left turn lane to access the
site
another aspect of how this design is unsuitable for the
location is the proposed placement of the tallest thirty five
storey building buried deep within the site why is this
big building so far off Bayview Avenue away from the
amenities Don this major north south corridor and while I
locate the salt the second tallest building at thirty one
storeys in the corner of the site furthest from Bayview
the approved zoning requires that the tallest buildings be located
along Bayview Avenue well this current zoning defines the tallest
building set ten stories before even discussing suitable building heights
let's at least start with locating the tallest buildings directly
on the major corridor with immediate pedestrian and transit access
the final aspect of unsuitability as shown on this slide
the red cross hatched area shows the parts of the
site that is currently designated as green way lands based
on the two thousand and fourteen Markham official plan this
designation is intended to protect national natural heritage including wildlife
habitat a range of environmental uses are permitted
liberty's proposal would put four of the five total towers
in the green light designated area
closely packed high density design that liberty has advanced could
not be more at all odds with the planning intentions
for this site
opposed degree of intensification is completely unsuitable for the location
on Bayview thank you
Hey thank you Sylvia
next up is very sad sort of gar where is
that are you with us
yes I'm here
I think you have five minutes Sir thank you Mr
Turner my name use force at sonic our my wife
and I need to get some in the million turning
Larry out for about ten years and currency at more
nobody
in this section are gonna provide context for why it's
clear that the heights opposed with this development far beyond
anything that could be considered reasonable for this metro suburban
coming
this rendering from the developer shows just how to face
the proposed development is four days community this is in
view looking south west in many houses nearby are hard
to see as the are completed talk by Bob
it highlighted the Bayview they would court and the morning
value houses at as D. are quite close to the
southwest what top right in this picture you can see
some taller buildings one that is over on young street
young street has higher order transit as much more suitable
for this degree of intensification compared to be accurate
contacts with seventeen because ... ski for putting together this
trox we can see the existing buildings are in great
with the largest existing building being the fifteen storey landmark
convenience and technical houses in presented by trying to brief
you on the following the proposed zoning described development isn't
do it talks going up to fifteen stories this is
what a high rise building it is in this area
fifteen story
we'll try to development is twelve to fourteen stories so
our existing development in program development and other applications are
all these facts the maximum of fifteen stories you can
see the proposed liberty developments in orange simply does not
fix when measured in meters as opposed to storing it
is three times the height of the land
it is even harder and what that's the same developer
builds over on Long Street
more than the all
you start looking west from Bayview is one of the
analysis provided by the developer and you have adding orange
hi
you can clearly see that there are adequate transition's in
several respects starting from the low rise residential to the
south which is shown by the highlighted house in nondescript
A. G. some property and this picture is in fact
the Rivera Glenwood to try and residents which seems to
be happening completely ignore
you are older residents no matter this may not take
maybe residential Karofsky hundred seventy people again on the seventy
people live here long last and it should be treated
as such that brings us to renounce will das hospital
what would be the impact of construction all those in
the office and ultimately tall buildings on the hospital and
patient because this is where integrated very negative environment for
the hospital it wouldn't be surprising if it's because the
hospital determined at least at eight three so we need
the same to future phases sooner rather than later the
developer is using this analysis to claim we are creating
an appropriate relationship to be discouraged mentions how it is
in your ears
the map on the right of this slide these outlining
tremendous heights in the current zoning north is at the
top would be view Avenue on the east right you
can see that the plan is for only three stories
on the western portion of the property but most of
the fees more educated it's thirty five storey building being
proposed is more than eleven times the three stories over
and four times eight stones this is a drastic change
in direction what was agreed to but Mr
as noted by the previous speaker you can also see
that the highlights increases as you move towards the average
two eight and then ten stores this exhibits the sound
planning principles of keeping the height close to the major
corridor which will help to improve proximity shoe boxes and
amenities it also allowance for more gradual transition from the
houses and park on the west side of this
to the proposed development not only ignores existing plan when
you turn is completely on its head
the proposed heights need to substantially reviews and strong positions
need to be respectful of the strategy
thanks very much message
Hey thank you for that next up is fine if
it's
thank you Mr chair my name is fine habits and
... a culture of our committee
my wife by Sharon and I have lived in Pomona
about eight for thirty three years
I will be speaking about alternative mobility options and how
they options on Bayview are far inferior to those on
young street
we all know that the quality of life depends on
many factors one aspect of urban livability is how easy
it is to
to shop go to work and enjoy local services and
amenities
our moment by Kirk can be convenient there's also a
strong interest in being able to walk cycle or take
transit to avoid the hassles of traffic and parking
an American company has developed an online tool called the
walk score that gives information to help understand how livable
and address may be
it provides information including walkability and transit friendliness
when you enter seven seven five zero Bayview Avenue you'll
see the scores on the left
they show that many errands require her
there's a transit on Bayview but the relatively low score
of thirty nine out of one hundred reflects a long
interval of more than fifteen minutes between buses
by comparison the liberty bell world on your own it's
a walk score that just nearly double that of the
baby of the site
this is much more pedestrian friendly area given that most
errands can be accomplished to walking to shops in and
around the on the street
the transit score for young street is more than double
that of Bayview was an excellent rating this is because
of a range of options including bus rapid transit correct
of French subway station
was no ready access to higher order transit in the
John and Bayview area the next best option is to
go to young street to access the future subway extension
assuming the closest station will be a young and raw
orchard it would take about a half an hour to
walk there
maybe on a beautiful spring day but not so appealing
and winter
SS Reid shoals Markham has a metric that is used
to track the number of residents who live in areas
with access to higher order transit
this metric is based on an eight hundred meter or
ten minute walk
as you can see from the snapshot the walk to
young and rural orchard is two point five Kelco longer
sports three times the eight hundred meter distance which is
seen as a reasonable access distance ... so what are
the other mobility just mobility choices
private shuttle option is proposed by liberty but this gets
a yellow rating and a green yellow red rating scheme
the issue with the private supershuttle is that there's no
certainty as to whether the person proposed service will be
maintained
also there are no transparent judge standards for training safety
cleanliness and even time in the house it all boils
down to what the private operator and our climate ...
client decide
the private shuttle would have a high degree of uncertainty
for the long term sustainability and dependability for future residents
cycling has potential as a yellow rating shows but without
bicycle lanes on Bayview there's a gap to access major
north south routes
change the rest for cyclists on roads such as baby
rise significantly and the absence of bike lanes
Karcher Anna's Chanos vehicles may factor in the future but
right now there are no cursor share services such as
comment out ... or zip her operating in Markham as
a result this option is shown in red
in conclusion allowing the major highrise development proposed by liberty
without strong mobility options would be simply you're responsible
please do not allow this misplaced and extreme development to
proceed thank you Mr chairman
alright thank you bye next up is Monica Macintosh
Monica if you're with this you have five minutes thank
you
thank you Mr chairman name is Monica Macintosh and my
husband and I have lived in Pomona valley for twenty
seven years I want to demonstrate just talking full traffic
already is in the John B. U. area and how
will be even worse
first though let's take a step back and ask why
is track report
we all know what they're looking for station and I
will be getting to that soon but the other important
issues as well emergency vehicles will be delayed I might
not make it in time when seconds can make the
difference between life and death is actually a fire station
right at the intersection it's going to be used by
this development it's frightening to think how their operations may
be affected
their studies to support what we intuitively know
that more traffic means more accidents and of course increased
traffic leads to more air pollution more noise pollution
for those of you who are familiar with John of
baby here's how it looks clearly this picture wasn't taken
during rush hour because of it because it would be
packed with cars
now take a closer look at John street traveling eastbound
at the red arrow
there is a short span of about fifty meters to
the writer east appear only at where we have three
lanes as we approach the intersection but the street to
the left or west of the ... was one way
so during rush hour I did the through lane fax
two words one lane blocking everyone's trying to act or
the left hand turn lane backs up in everyone's trying
to go straight through as well and one of those
two things happens almost every afternoon rush hour
so here we have a wider perspective John and B.
he was in the top right now and we see
a lot more of John street as well as hands
and that
during rush hour in the afternoon here's what happens to
traffic in this otherwise three neighborhoods this is part of
the for healthcare each district is down traffic backs up
and up and up
this used to work longer in life when you're looking
along John street or the branch down Henderson
so my husband and I are in this yellow car
we're trying to get home from work we're so close
media seven may minute walk away
we're home free if we can get here which is
the only way interests of division but we can't
our understanding just can't get over the finish line because
everyone ahead of us is trying to turn right onto
John and they're playing chicken with the cars coming from
the left and the four way stop is everyone wants
to get into the next stage of the game
but enough about me
what about all the people who live on Henderson and
John I can't get out of the driveway
in terms of the Google have one of the cameras
cameras that John Anderson during rush hour
now that's in the afternoon rush hour mornings also bad
but not as bad so what happens if the new
development goes in
well according to a reduced traffic study the morning will
be even worse than the acting
are you kidding me
why would that happen based on the location of this
development there actually aren't that many cars being added to
this route now the traffic study mentioned signal calibration so
I think that's what's happening is that they're giving more
single time to north south traffic on beating and cutting
signal time for good old is down John street
and according to their study only the left turn from
Gianna to B. he's problematic somehow your study shows that
he's found through will be just fine which is impossible
because of the left hand turn lane is backed up
and so is the through line because we're all in
the same lane
and not just one place at the liberty study underestimates
the impact additional traffic
when we went to the traffic study we found a
number of inconsistencies errors and overly aggressive assumptions it would
understate the existing traffic situation and severely understate the future
traffic situation I've listed a few them here I'm not
gonna go through the money just a time and as
we were you sure defining the staff other than to
note that the missing no general growth in traffic last
I heard Martin was brought
there's no recognition of other developments in the area other
than the relatively small one by trial nothing for Thornhill
square redevelopment nothing to regular choosing young and even if
there is a subway they're not gonna be taking it
and many others will now be driving into the subway
to drop off and pick up
not to mention the link staff development north of this
one again not all residents are gonna be taking transit
and this is just a subset what a couple of
non experts found
despite all that you can still see in the study
that traffic is bad I'm going to get worse so
let me just finish this section with a quote from
the traffic study in defending their position on not factoring
in any general population growth they say
well I am so long baby you have in your
height and it is not anticipated but additional general quarter
growth will occur due to the existing capacity issues and
delays along the border well let me translate
traffic is already show bad any general population growth will
take the long way around this intersection and not actually
seriously
so everyone understands just how bad traffic already is
but how can anyone possibly justify putting an immense hi
Ryan this development thank you
okay thank you Monica next up is premier a shot
so then
America
hi good evening thank you Mr
you have 5 minutes
thank you thank you Mr chairman member of the committee
Mandy in his home and I'll shout seven I made
residents of at one forty five John street M. within
a decade I lived at my husband and my sons
I am and I environmental sign just more than H.
twenty three years experience I will be speaking about that
reach natural heritage of the site and about how we
scale up the proposed development it put the natural heritage
at the risk
given this property many people may not fully appreciated just
how incredible this twenty two acre site it
property lies within the eastern river watershed Jason to true
whether courses there are extensive bylines and we'll do land
and particularly on this site to sign to surveys more
than ninety four types of the plant twenty eight species
dubbed the breeding Barrett's and six hundred plus mature trees
have been identified there are few other sites with the
mark on that could that robo impressive the diversity of
natural features and why not right on the site
this is also remarkable in that it is the home
two days three endangered and threatened species which are protected
under I'm tired species at risk act so she needs
to their diet to the observer living in Germany my
colleague state tax the little brown myotis is an endanger
back to speech heritage building on the east side of
this site there noted as being potential bad habits and
bad calls very recorded sure monitoring
sorry days isn't it endangers our future species this is
smaller you know I like fifties lives in the street
and has been funded in up her done quicker
so
reach national heritage features of the site being taking into
consideration by the developer well not entirely what is troubling
is that delivery take spirit have basically acknowledged activities that
tremendous amount that is unknown about the natural heritage features
of the site
during expect observe on it only took the time to
potentially significant about Atlanta and woodlands and potential fish habitat
all of which are beyond the school environmental impact I
suspect
I think that's Donnelly's Lori done under impact on one
unbelievably difficult to quantify but somehow they could endorse the
proposed settlement which would puts the Turkey one twenty one
eighteen the story building in very close proximity to significant
environmentally sensitive areas
the liberty engineering expert this state that
area are converted to hard surface this
I want to grow as more run of interest to
what across experience with the Ontario ministry of environment consideration
and park a grease that this is a major risk
associated with the largest scale urban development
and
as significant news of the tree canopy the day two
hundred fifty eight mature trees for more this goes against
the direction of the city is taking as six to
increase three a can opener from eighteen percent to two
percent what
he clearly state that preservation is a priority over the
replacement and compensation cash compensation instead of the preservation does
not help Markham achieve its can OP goal
this is station on the left shows the extended up
the proposed underground parking garage excavation to build this garage
means the most of the existing vegetation will be removed
in whatever during the space remains or mental and in
mature trees are to be correct are ... substitute for
the current mature trees and if they experience a deliberate
you were going young development is any example it can
be expected that mature trees very struggle to roll in
the shallow selected by double occur
as you can see the proposed development of real damage
to natural heritage of the site thank you Mr chair
and to come to you for this opportunity
thank you of America next is Cathy mobilis S. Q.
U. with us yes I am thank you very much
Mister chair you're welcome
alright as a twenty six year resident in history teacher
in Markham I am concerned about the cultural heritage aspects
of this project we would all agree that cultural heritage
features are fragile and non renewable
we would also all agree that we owe a duty
to future generations to ensure that our shared history is
protected
the proposed development risks overwhelming the unique cultural heritage of
the site
Markham has four designated areas called heritage conservation districts one
of these war torn hell as it is commonly called
is shown on the slide it begins on young street
and stretches east past Henderson robin
this year in the area has a special character that
is reflected in the workers talked region's architectural styles and
streetscapes
of course changes will occur in these districts in fact
the purpose of the heritage designation is to guide changes
so they contribute to the unique historical character
construction in these areas is to be complimentary and respectful
given that the proposed development is in very close proximity
to the eastern edge of the district and given that
the scale of this development works anything else in the
area there is a very real risk of overwhelming to
her church district
the proposed development site is unique in that it contains
a rear is state house on significant acreage right in
the city join me in admiring what colour Steve house
shown on the slide which is listed in Markham's register
properties of cultural heritage built in nineteen thirty seven it
is the largest and most sophisticated example of Georgian revival
style and city
it is a real cultural heritage treasure
the house was originally built as a country estate hi
Clement George McCullough who just like his home is an
important figure in our region's history he ran a successful
brokerage firm in Toronto and went on to buy the
Toronto globe and the mailing them for any merged the
two newspapers to form the globe and mail
he was also part owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs
any hired the same architects to build another architectural maple
leaf gardens to design this home
Markham has shown leadership when it comes to cultural heritage
including being one of the first municipalities to establish a
cultural heritage committee in nineteen seventy five
Markham also was adopted guidelines related to developments in close
proximity to cultural culturally significant structure
these guidelines which cover shown on this slide require thought
one new developments for respond to and respected Houston heritage
building too at the height of any new buildings should
transition within one story of the height of the heritage
building and three but I heritage building should not be
integrated with them higher density development it should exist as
a significant an independent structure
looking at the proposed development it is clear that these
guidelines have not been applied I'm not the proposed treatment
of the McCullough statehouse as a cultural heritage asset is
one a fundamental disrespect I'm sorry but a pathway does
not fix the problem
the proposed development does not respect the cultural heritage of
the color state house neither in height more proximity liberty
proposes to build a thirty four story tower fourteen meters
from what is arguably one of Martin's most in the
store
this is of great concern to all of us to
appreciate and want to protect cultural heritage more community for
future generations thank you so much for your time
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HM
M. A. with us yes I am Mr chair
and
thank you very much Mr chairman I name is Tim
Herron I like many of other of our presenters this
evening and my concern residents of Amona valley I live
on Cedar forest court my wife Linda and I and
our two grown children have been residents of this area
for twenty two years
as you've already seen the we have several concerns for
phase one of the development those concerns just multiplied when
we combined them with uncertainty of future phases
future phases will cause even more traffic as you for
natural and cultural heritage aspects will be further diminished there
will be greater impact on schools community centers medical services
and so on
staff and council members should ask themselves if we knew
what the future phases were going to look like what
it change our view on the density of phase one
the current zoning applies to the whole site well we
don't know what the other future phases will look like
the developers proposing to transfer the current zoning to the
portion of the site being left for future phases
current zoning for this site allows for seven hundred twenty
five units after holding provisions have been satisfied
but if all the developers going to do is keep
the current zoning I don't understand why they are proposing
so many changes to do it
we know staff are aware of all of this so
I won't spend too much time on it however I
will give you just a couple of examples
the maximum of seven hundred twenty five units under the
current zoning in close the current eighty nine bed hospital
with the proposed changes the hospital is in addition
and effectively giving them another eighty nine units this is
not a trivial change for comparison this is about the
same number of units in try dell's largest tower
they also want to change what is counted as a
unit
this just seems strange we don't understand why they're asking
for this
another aspect of the current zoning or the requirements spelled
out in the holding provisions from what we can tell
the developers proposing to have these provisions removed without actually
satisfying
one extremely important provision is the adequacy of still of
sewer and water infrastructure
are the storm water management facilities to the satisfaction of
the city we constantly see evidence that the existing infrastructures
being stretched to its Max this is obviously critical
another provision is you can sit to consider is the
existing transportation network able to handle the development without adversely
impact there will not there we'll mostly definitely be adverse
impact so I suppose it's not a surprise that the
solution is to remove remove the requirement and lastly a
third requirement would mean that they have to provide actual
adequate parkland which of course they don't have to do
despite how important it is for the community and the
new residents in the development
so why would any of these changes be made that
affect future phases before the developers actually disclosed with a
plan to build if the current zoning is going to
be capped then there should be minimal changes and the
holding provision should be kept to we asked the city
to hold the developer to the holding provisions for phase
one and not simply cost and the entire existing plants
favour of the developer
we encourage staff and Markham council to seriously consider not
only what makes sense for phase one but also we
make sense at this time in respect of the zoning
for the portion of the site designated for future phases
and we will continue to worry unless someone can tell
us what stops the developer from coming back later and
asking for even more future phases thank you Mr chair
all right thank you HM reshape that up next up
is Kristin and
Mr
yes thank you Mr Cher ... my name is christening
and I'm twenty three years old I was born and
raised on Cedar four score implement a valley ... growing
up I was fortunate to participate in many city of
Markham programs and even got to work for the city
for four years as a camp counselor and supervisor just
down the street at the throne community center ... yep
I hearing about this proposal I'm quite concerned about the
future of my home almost everything that has already been
said really comes under the heading of safeguarding the future
but I particularly want to talk about the neighbourhood walking
trail and park land
the developer has proposed a public trail through the development
which is a good step forward for pedestrian connectivity in
order to ensure that access cannot be denied by future
condo board we request that the city secure a public
easement as well the diagram to the right is taking
from the existing existing Markham trail not you better start
indicate where the Cremona mills trail ends and a circle
where the trail from the new developmental and and as
you can see there is a gap ... there's currently
an informal trail in that gap to ensure safety these
two endpoints need to properly connect over one a creek
and we trust that the city will work to ensure
this happens
so earlier on this year I was actually given the
opportunity to volunteer the city of Markham and develop a
project with the sustainability in asset management department tell the
sitting in their goal of net zero carbon emissions by
twenty fifteen and working on this project in many so
really hopeful about our future Markham and their serious commitment
to the environment yes ladies development is compromising the city's
volumes
parkland is extremely important for the community and I was
appalled to learn of the developers composing no parkland allocation
... despite potentially adding two thousand five hundred new residents
in just the first phase of development
park was very busy for Kobe and our joint experience
COVID was certainly shown imports of access to green space
for both physical and mental well being
I've also learned that the current zoning has a holding
provision which requires that adequate park land be provided in
phase one and I hope that the City one says
I'm not being satisfied
in closing we understand that development is necessary a growing
city is a healthy city increasing density within the existing
boundaries does reduce urban sprawl we also understand that there
will be new development in our area yeah there are
other qualities of life to consider when thinking about growth
and development any new development needs of into the existing
mature neighbourhood recognize existing pressures on services and transportation and
be done in the context of all of the development
under consideration keeping in mind that this is not young
street
it is upsetting that the serene peaceful green space of
the site that has a such biodiversity will be raised
so that downtown style condominiums he dropped onto it but
if there's going to be higher as development let's not
exceed the president's and the area for the building up
for buildings up to fifteen stories with heights generally kept
close to the main road
it does really scare me to think what is going
to happen if the developer is allowed to build something
that is even remotely close to what they have proposed
and I'm not just talking in terms of integration with
the neighbourhood or the impact on traffic but what it
would mean for the next development if the new president
is that
... enclosing it has been a privilege to grow up
in such a diverse and welcoming neighborhood speaking to my
friends and Mona value all agree that staying in this
neighborhood and raising a family here in this kind of
environment do you dream of however this proposal if this
proposal does go forward with that substantial change we all
feel like we may have to reconsider
I want to take this time to respect women stocking
council members that what happens with this development will be
permanent and the impact is something that we as residents
will have to live with for decades
this is our community this is our home and this
is our future and it's my future so thank you
Mr chairman of the committee for the opportunity to speak
to you this evening
okay thank you Kristin appreciate that ... just before I
go to Eric Clayton who is first up on our
list and ... has since joined us ... I wanna
thank the steering committee the promoter that we steering committee
on behalf of I think quite comfortably on behalf of
all of my colleagues on the committee for a very
thorough and well orchestrated and well coordinated presentation and for
being respectful of the time limit in it hearing each
and then dip each and every individual speaker and hearing
to the time when that ... you've set you've set
the bar rather high for tonight and ... I appreciated
so thanks very much for that all rights over to
Erik Lake and
thank you Mr chairman and thank you the committee apologize
for the technical issues that have prevented me from getting
on zoom so quickly I also just want to say
thank you to the bone about the steering committee for
picking up on so many ... salient points I am
authorized to represent the three boards of directors of the
landmark condominiums just across the road on Bayview and our
shared facility common facilities committee we represent nine hundred and
forty seven units within this complex
the city of Markham strategic plan building Markham's future together
contains a number of impressive goals in particular goal three
safe sustainable and complete community emphasizes we strive to achieve
complete communities with excellent quality of life
the quality of life is a serious ... impact with
the proposed development we are aware that the town of
market official plan designated properties institutional a hazard the latter
of which generally prohibits such development notwithstanding that site specific
policies permit up to seven hundred twenty nine units which
would include the hospital we understand the application by ...
seventy seven fifty Bayview
is six approval to build there are complex in addition
to the site specific policy it leaves us with the
capability of adding more towers R. two to the up
to the area on behalf of the seven hundred and
forty seven nine hundred forty seven owners which are boards
represents we want to express our objections for the following
reasons from the perspective on the other side of being
you first of all the lands are part of the
rich heritage as pointed out by the steering committee the
show that I see is a state has existed in
its present form providing a hospital for almost seventy years
a city commitment is preserving the heritage the massive development
being contemplated paves over the historical ledges legacy
the subject lands are a wonderful green space in fact
the proposed zoning includes public spaces it was still have
a major impact on the environment has been pointed out
in addition to the proposed are the approved development project
for while Bayview to try del project that is where
ham then by plans from Rivera Glenwood proposed time square
development in foreign hell square
elad fourteen hundred below grade parking spaces for residents and
visitors this adds greatly to the native vehicle precedent presence
we feel this very very strongly in the landmark campus
because our property is used as a short cut to
get from a royal orchard through the green lane thereby
avoiding ... Bayview entirely ... this development what add additional
traffic on the side street or streets as well we
have risks of seniors and many ... ... younger apadaz
tree ins in the area we ask that you denied
this application and limit the development to that in the
current official plan that is seven hundred twenty five units
including all permitted types of of Eunice units thank you
very much for this opportunity to speak
all right thank you Eric it was good to tell
you could join us and but have worked at so
thank you for your reputation tonight next up is picky
long thank you
hi I think you have five minutes great thank you
so I am on the line I am a resident
at the Eileen Willowbrook neighbourhood and ... I agree with
many of what the previous speakers have spoken about ...
today ... I agree with intensification of the general area
around Bayview and young in accordance to the official plan
that's currently in force I'm deeply concerned about the proposal
that liberty development has put forward to build three colossal
buildings with five large tower on the show nice property
thank me because I think it goes beyond what is
reasonable what is sustainable for the existing community this is
not just the only major new development for this area
but we because we know if the additional towers are
being built by trend out and as well as additional
powers that are being billed for Thornhill square
we think that for I think that for Thornhill center
an area that the official plan has called for as
a new town center we have not seen any plans
or visions about what the store knows answer would look
like so it does feel like John and Bayview is
being built up an intensified haphazardly without engagement from the
community our planning from the experts this is going to
result in a in additional influx of of people on
lease two thousand twenty five hundred people and I think
many of the previous speakers have spoken very eloquently about
the impacts of traffic the lack of ... high of
... kind of heightened density transit that is available the
limited infrastructure when it comes to things like stormwater armed
or capacity are when it comes when we're thinking about
flooding and then demands on the community center as well
as well so I would like to see the city
and the staff hire experts to that specialize in holistic
urban design of the town centre to redesign John in
Bayview appropriately with mid rise building the planned infrastructure and
design Thornhill center to accommodate the additional people that will
be coming so that is the wording ... community will
be a thriving place for people to work play and
live
so thank you
thank you
yeah next UP is Ian Goldberg
Mr chan members of the committee thank you for the
opportunity to speak tonight my name is Ian Goldberg and
I'm a resident of the Pomona fatty I am deeply
concerned about the proposed liberty project on the shoulder Austin
I strongly believe that the proposed project is completely out
of sync with the character of the existing neighbourhood and
if allowed to be extremely prejudicial to the quality of
life in our community
I would like to address a few of my specific
concerns with you
I have lived in the Pomona valley and the synergy
for twenty five years in that time traffic and development
has increased substantially in Thornhill as the one who has
developed along with Richmond hill and most of the York
region our infrastructure has not kept pace with this at
all and now we face traffic gridlock in a very
long commute home from work our working downtown Toronto in
pre coated to drive home from finch subway has had
been quite easy until a few years ago when it
becomes had become very long and stressful after a day
of work I would drive north along Henderson to John
cross over John to the Pomona fatty it was an
effort to strike before as I see it but in
recent years the drive can take twenty to thirty minutes
from steel and Henderson to my hood as everyone knows
John street is completely jam flappy three hours a day
from the intersection of John Henderson to the intersection of
John and Bayview
the problem is I'm sure the Markham traffic experts will
acknowledge is at the intersection John and baby I know
that mom
can this tried various ways of controlling the traffic lights
at that intersection and I truly appreciate their efforts but
it has proved difficult to arrive at a solution because
easing the congestion on John street increases the congestion on
baby
S. core of course is everyone here tonight appreciates liberties
proposal is for a massive increase in density at the
precise point of maximum pressure Bayview and John I respectfully
submit that a high density build will substantially increase the
existing traffic problem we need to make the assumption but
that by early next year cope what code will be
behind us and that these traffic issues will once again
be major daily issues for the lives of all residents
I'd like to next address the nature of the project
itself I honestly find a truly depressing that all mature
community is under such a grave threat from the company
which is proposing the project which is so completely and
fundamentally incompatible with the existing neighbourhood
the Pomona valley neighborhood has been around for almost fifteen
years fifty years and this proposed project entirely disregards the
character nature of the area
the proposed project does not in any way harmonize or
blend in with the existing neighbourhood and I will submit
to be permanently destructive to the existing neighbourhood
liberty's proposal would make a lot of sense in my
view if it was to be built at young in
college or young and Eglington but it makes no sense
at all on the beautiful shoulder last lands in a
residential area of mature single family houses with there is
a valuable valuable belt of greenery and a real community
the T. is literally proposing building multiple skyscraper skyscrapers overlooking
residents homes in a pristine and beautiful area of low
rise single family residences bail proposing massive density in an
area which quite obviously lacks the infrastructure to support it
they are proposing to fundamentally change the area full time
when we purchased our homes and made this part of
Markham L. community we had a reasonable expectation that we
could continue to live in the area when we which
and we did not expect that builders would be seeking
to build multiple highrises including the thirty fourth storey skyscraper
overlooking outhouses and of course Markham's current regulations do not
permit anything of the sort
many years ago when I made my home in the
Pomona fed you I like my neighbors was attracted by
the greenery the quality of the schools the serenity the
quiet and peaceful neighborhood and the opportunity to raise my
family in a very special area within the town of
mock incident was I never wanted to live in young
in college in congested surroundings if I'd wanted to do
so I would have thought in that area all those
years ago of course had I done so I would
have at least had the benefits of such in areas
such as effective infrastructure I don't want young and college
streets to be brought up your full neighbourhood and I
would humbly and respectfully request that the city of Markham
should not allow this to happen
if the proposed project goes ahead the quality of our
day to die lots will decline the value of the
homes with a road and Markham will be a far
less desirable place to live the wonderful quality of life
that we've enjoyed in our beautiful community will be substantially
diminished the issue the issue is a huge issue for
us is the residents of Markham but it will not
be liberties problem as they will have moved on to
the next project thank you very much for your time
all right thank you
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next up is
Martin churi Martin
thank you Mr chairman I hope the rest you can
I trust you can hear me yes
I'm I had more extensive
comments prepared with given the quality in detail the we've
heard from other residents
I'm gonna skip over some of that and get to
a couple of points that I don't think I've been
raised
my name is Martin to worry either forty nine forest
park crescent in Markham's Ward one
my family and I moved here twenty six years ago
it's a wonderful area
very briefly the proposed density and height for the development
the liberty ... that this company is looking to do
on shoulder east is just so over the top it's
unbelievable
it simply doesn't fit with the character of the neighborhood
secondly the proposed development is ill suited to this location
and we've heard about transit traffic schools libraries all the
infrastructure that makes this a wonderful neighborhood in which to
live we'll all come under tremendous pressure
and these concerns are not adequately addressed in the proposal
or sorry seven fifty baby
we're currently looking only at phase one
so anything that is agreed to for this phase we
can expect even more of in subsequent phases
York region is setting a target intensification of the city
of Markham of seventy five to eighty percent over the
next thirty years are we heard this from all bottom
leave York region in his presentation on April nineteenth
I know those numbers aren't final but I get the
sense that that level of intensification is coming to America
and I don't I don't have a problem with that
let's take a look a word one which currently has
forty five thousand residents
several already approved developments most significantly blank staff gateway will
increase the population award won by the divisional thirty four
thousand residents were seventy five percent
meeting the 30 year intensification intensification goal for the area
further high intensity developments expected particularly around young street and
Steeles Avenue at around young street and were a larger
sites that are far better suited for the level of
intensification that's being proposed on the shoulders plans
the city American does not need to approve this ad
hoc high density project in order to meet its long
term intensification calls
Mr chairman I strongly urge development services committee and the
city of Markham to stick to the existing plan
do not amend the current limits has requested in the
proposal
further if the city does decide to modify the current
zoning or density for this site please first undertake comprehensive
plan for the future of this area around Bayview Angela
it's a wonderful area
let's not spoil
instead let's use careful planning and appropriate development to make
it even better
thank you for your time
all right thank you Martin next up Jennifer Copeland
I hi Jennifer yeah follow yes I'm here thank you
very much
the thank you Mr chair of for the opportunity to
speak on this important matter
I speak to you this evening as your average Joe
public I've never done anything in the public sphere like
this and yet I felt compelled to speak at this
meeting because of what I feel is the massively excessive
nature of this proposal
some of my remarks you may have already heard in
a slightly different format from another speaker but they bear
hearing again for emphasis and to convey the widespread opposition
to the proposal under discussion as it is currently defined
to place the proposal in context consider the following
directly across the street on the east side of Bayview
the existing landmark of Thornhill buildings are twelve to fifteen
storeys each
to the north the royal bank if you condominiums on
the adjacent lands sold by the trying to ladies golf
course would be twelve and fourteen stories
the application to redevelop Thornhill square proposes buildings that will
range from eight to fifteen stories
close by there's an application to redevelop thirty six to
sixty Steeles Avenue east and thirty seven to sixty three
highland park Boulevard the proposed is the building of two
thirteen story and two eight story buildings note that this
is very close to young and stills which is of
great significance both as an intersection of two major traffic
arteries and for being within steps of the proposed subway
station to be built as part of the young north
subway extension and still this is a very reasonable application
for such a significant location
in fact all of the previously mentioned buildings are reasonable
for their locations all are consistent with similar nearby buildings
existing or planned and all are respectful of adjacent existing
residential neighborhoods even under current dozens densification directives the criteria
of reasonable lady consistency and respect are still mandate for
good urban design
the proposal for seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue is none
of these things it is not reasonable for the location
is not consistent with similar nearby buildings the maximum proposed
height of thirty five stories is more than twice what
should be permitted
buildings of eighteen twenty one twenty four thirty one and
thirty five stories are all completely inappropriate for that site
the excessive increased population would overwhelm local infrastructure in terms
of the impact to traffic public transit shopping schools recreation
facilities and available green space and because of this I
find that the proposal is not in any way respectful
of the adjacent community
it is difficult to know whether the proposal as a
cynical ploy to ask for the moon expecting that it
will be cut back to what the developer has in
mind anyway
or whether the developer has the audacity to think that
the City of mark would actually approve such an excessive
proposal
in conclusion this proposal fails the test of reasonable eighty
consistency and respect for the community and therefore urge committee
members in the city of Markham to reject it as
it is currently proposed we all of us want to
see for hill to continue to grow as a vibrant
successful community
growth is inevitable and in fact should be embraced Thornhill
square is a perfect example of a long overdue need
for revitalization so we need development but we need the
development the proposal for seventy seven fifty Bayview would not
provide good development
thank you Mr chairman this concludes my remarks
thank you Jennifer appreciate that next up is Brian Fisher
Ryan you have 5 minutes
thank you Mr chairman press you can hear me
yes
... good evening my name is Bryan Fischer residents are
held for more than forty years and I represent the
executive board one so formula residents there I look at
seventy Julia street your order maybe even drawn much for
what I have to say you heard in the fine
print suggestion made by the owner group I think there's
strength in repetition
we do not support the current proposal to redevelop the
shoulders all property because of the excess of height and
density a lack of transit and the incompatibility with the
heritage buildings the neighbourhood
also needs to demonstrate more respect for the wildlife order
along more creek as well as for the residents in
the area
the project should be no higher than eight stories the
maximum overall slight density of through floor space index
this would be compatible with the mark I'm official plan
of two thousand and fourteen which was based on all
stakeholder parties coming together to agree on these density light
armors
the project lacks a vision and compatibility with the existing
heritage buildings in the surrounding neighbourhood is exceptional heritage site
as an integral part of historic foreign help and it
should be preserved and respected
there needs to be a more robust green way protection
area to reserve the natural heritage while white order and
biodiversity
there is no ... from school he's the plan or
design criteria for the immediate area to accommodate the numerous
development projects which less far include this one or elsewhere
plaza we try to development on former land so the
Florida ladies golf club all of these need to be
worked out together decide on an acceptable criteria for height
and density and understand resulting community impacts for the outside
under discussion now low rise design searchers awards stage ...
Sunnybrook hospital be a major enhancement the currently proposed unimaginable
concrete and glass high rises
there is no higher order transit support the proposed density
debut Abby was not designated for intensification and there will
be severe traffic issues specially on drums Street and roll
orchard
these forty kilometer hour per hour two lane streets are
the only East West arterials roadways in the area connecting
to young street
the entire park land allocation which would be provided on
this site especially since far hills experienced over crowded parks
during the open pandemic the availability of our plans next
three main portent for the health and well being of
our residents so we respectfully submit these concerns for your
consideration and your resolution and I thank you Mr chairman
the opportunity to speak
all right thank you Brian next up is Stanley and
Stanley are you
are you there at the other
I understand you have 5 minutes
thank you ... good evening ... my name is Stanley
ng and ... I'd like to thank ... the sale
marketing for the opportunity to speak on a subject that
will have a lasting and transformative impact on Thornhill I
lived in formula over twenty six years I move to
the audio because of his reputation so triangle and pastore
place to live and raise a family however this amendment
would transform this historic community into a dense community of
highrises that will be very similar to the lake shore
in Toronto and young street
for this reason I strongly oppose the amendment proposed by
delivery development to the Markham official plan does not currently
designed for make ... you slash make rice development
there are 3 reasons for my opposition the first
is that liberty development proposal is out of character with
depth on your community Thornhill is a mature community steep
in history and then deal with a living heritage that
can be felt just by walking along John street I
do not believe that development with five highrises all jamming
to about nine acres is compatible with a vibrant community
that treasures and respect the pass
I am not opposed to development they try down development
on that Toronto ladies golf club is a good example
where the developer work with our citizens to bill approach
I just very much in keeping with the character of
the community with two towers of fourteen and twelve storage
try does development placing with Thornhill
liberties development plans both activations and Erica additions because there's
no attempt to adopted development to the characters Don hill
arrogant because liberty is not listening to the community there
is development is more suited to regional corridors such as
those along highway four seven and young street where DR
infrastructures to support such massive developments Thornhill is far lower
on intensification scale because it does not have the infrastructure
or order support services to accommodate one thousand two hundred
and eighty seven new units would be even more to
come in their faces
this leads me to my second concern and does traffic
flow
as I drive to my office in Toronto every day
just a constant and heavy streamer traffic from cities north
of Markham creating congestion and delays the reverse flow in
the evening we turn home is no different
the increase in funding of tribe which forced many drivers
to seek alternate routes including John street in both directions
between Bayview and young for anyone who traverses John street
during the rush hours is this a painstakingly long drive
when I used to take my children to music classic
six PM it takes about ten minutes to reach Bayview
from Henderson a long time adjusting over near one kilometer
my understanding is that there are no plans to widening
bagel Avenue north for steals until twenty thirty at the
earliest Toronto also crew has no plans to widen Bayview
so for steals
the result is that liberty development proposal is better on
a winding off baby out when you yes a decade
away and may never occur
even the one it does take place
do only funnel traffic into a more narrow Bayview Avenue
south of Steeles Avenue this is not public landing and
there is no such roads infrastructure in place to support
such a substantial groping traffic
what their concern is enjoyment of life namely access to
parks and green space
it liberty development office limited additional green space meeting our
current available parks such as promoting bills will be overwhelmed
even now for Mona it's filled with visitors nightly and
especially on weekends this is a welcome sight Mr green
space should be accessible to everyone however with so many
new resident of residential units and more to come the
Mona is not sustainable well additional parks we will be
which a point where there will be overcrowded and enjoyment
open space would be severely limited
in closing I asked a city ... so a Markham
city councillors when deciding where to approved amendment what kind
of city it once though hello once what don't have
to look like in the future but the one who
will be history heritage triangle living in one or one
dominated by high prices congestion and delays I urge the
development services committee to reject amendment and work with that
community to address land development that's more in character with
historic Thornhill thank you and the Instacart's
right thank you Stanley
next is Joan Anderton
hello Mister Sherman can you hear me if we can
hear you can you turn your video on jump on
just a second
there we go
you've got 5 minutes thank you very much Mr chairman
thank you very much Mr chairman for the opportunity to
speak to the development services committee this evening I am
here to represent ladies golf club of Toronto and to
speak in opposition to the application submitted by seventy seven
fifty Bayview limited partnership
ladies owns a hundred and thirty acres of land in
Thornhill extending from young street in the west to Bayview
Avenue in the east south of royal orchard Boulevard
we share a common property line on our southeast border
with the shoulders property at seventy seven fifty Bayview
ladies established in nineteen twenty four is the only private
golf club in North America owned and operated by women
the club has been operating as a private golf club
and a successful business employing local residents for ninety seven
years
over the years ladies members have witnessed on all sides
of our property the gradual transition of this area from
remote farmland to the neighborhood that we all enjoy today
many of our members live in the townhouses single family
homes and the mid rise apartments and condos developed along
young and Bayview
the presence of the golf club is a defining feature
of this community
late is as well known to this committee and to
the staff having recently received planning approval of the try
to allow publication involving R. two point four acre site
at the corner of Bayview unreal or triple of art
during that four year process many of you have visited
the club to better understand our plan to secure the
future of the golf club in this location
make no mistake the decision to sell a piece of
our land to secure our future as a golf club
was very very difficult
however we believe the application before you tonight threatened stuck
future
why you might ask
the height and density of this proposal is appropriate in
downtown Toronto or within the regional centre of learning stuff
it is not appropriate at this location
five point towers ranging in height from eighteen to thirty
five stories is an extreme overbuild of this property
density of this magnitude is not supported in this location
by either the York region official plan or the Markham
official plan both of which direct density of this type
to the regional centers and identified corridors such as young
street that will be served by higher order transit such
as subways
these towers are proposed at the very back of the
shoulders property away from Bayview behind the existing hospital and
within the existing greenway system identified in both official plans
the height limit proposed on shoulder Mason the twenty fourteen
Markham official plan is eight stories and the zoning as
you've heard many times places ten stories on the frontage
of Bayview and three stories exactly where this development is
proposed
but for ladies this application presents many concerns about the
most significant for us is the height density amassing
three of the five towers the three tallest are aligned
east to west directly along the border with our golf
club
when combined with a six story podium between the two
closest to the border the application presents a downtown presence
right along the south side of our existing twelfth fairway
the size and scale of these buildings when seen from
the ground where golf is played will be massive and
overwhelming
in addition the tall towers are separated from our property
by a natural private road located directly along the private
the property line which is expected to carry a very
very large volume of entrance and exit traffic for all
five buildings
in our view the development as proposed is not compatible
with the existing and planned surrounding land uses
but there are other considerations in addition to the ominous
presence of these towers the technical studies on this application
have failed to consider the impact of this development on
our land it's as if we don't exist
shadows from these tall towers will impact our ability to
grow grass fairways greens and landscaping as well as the
quality of playing conditions during the active season from April
to November
the shuttle study shows areas of concern on the eastern
half of our golf course
when studies are especially important when dealing with densely packed
our buildings as the impact of ground level can be
extreme for those on the ground the wind study is
inward facing only considers the ground level conditions at the
base of the towers themselves there is no consideration of
the impact of wind on neighboring properties
the arborist report is intended to account for all trees
over eight inches in trunk diameter all in order within
six meters of the property line of the development this
report addresses off site trees on the east boundary of
Bayview and the west boundary near promote creek but is
absolutely silent on any trees within six metres of the
north property line on ladies property
the proposed landscape plan does little to address the loss
of significant trees along the border north to mitigate the
impacts of the road and the sidewalk directly along the
edge of the border to the properties mature trees along
the shared border are an important mitigating factors for noise
disruption wind and visual disturbance in the context of this
huge development
and density of this magnitude in a setting with few
supports for the resident population will bring its own problems
to neighboring properties
dozens of such a densely packed population invites the irresistible
and somewhat understandable urge to trespass on the beautiful neighboring
property full of green space
so in closing having briefly set up some of our
significant concerns with this proposal one might think that we
are opposed to any development on the shoulders property
but as I mentioned in my opening remarks ladies recently
completed the planning approval process for the royal Bayview the
tried all development at the corner of royal orchard and
Bayview Avenue
so are we being inconsistent
not in the least we worked hard over forty one
years with try to help and the community to do
the right thing with our development
the buildings are fourteen and twelve storeys in height less
than the fifteen stories of the landmark building directly across
Bayview and less than the fifteen stories currently being considered
on John street just east of Bayview
the building is an enhancement to the community
the neighbourhood residents associations all supported the development when it
came forward to council for approval and members of our
club have pre purchased units in the buildings to downsize
and not least of all the money from the sale
carefully invested secures our legacy is the only private golf
club owned and operated for women by women it allows
for careful investment in our course an investment in our
heritage club house which will soon be in front of
your heritage committee
most of all it secures our future in this location
for the long term
we do expect to see some development on the shoulders
lands but it must be compatible with the neighbourhood context
with fifteen stories maximum along Bayview frontage and stepping down
in height when moving west and particularly protecting the greenway
system
development must also respect the existing planning framework of the
region of York and the city of Markham represented in
the official plans which are in fact a covenant between
council and the community that you serve
we also expect anything that happen on this property to
enhance the community we have all come to love
in the end our hope our efforts to secure ladies
for the future in this location will not have been
in vain thank you very much
thank you thank you John I I I must confess
that's long as close ... tonight
sorry you said in closing I think you were getting
your pushing the outer limits of your time but in
any event I'm glad you got to finish thank you
for here
you
all right next up is Elena got
next up is Elena dot a leaner you that I
am here how do I get money
can you see me you can see me
no we can all it doesn't seem to ... give
me an option tool there should be a video option
if you members over the bottom of your window your
zoom window second button from the left is the video
click that and we'll see you
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okay ... can everybody see that screen please year and
getting so ... I showed I used Ms our orchard
yes we can okay
thank you Mr chairman members of the committee my name
is Sonny and I got some the president of the
eighteen go crazy residents association member founding member since two
thousand and five
we believe the people of farm hell have a very
strong sense of place that is defined by the town's
two hundred and thirty years of rich history
historic houses and the shelters are so nice good outcomes
and as soon Hill square up part of that heritage
being torn Heller is a state of mind deriving from
its rich history and from living in harmony with this
beautiful place and its people
I would like to present to you our petition and
you will get it as a package
on our petition that has been signed by by know
precisely seven hundred and fourteen people song Heller's the seven
hundred and fourteen people are appalled
at the image of Fife and later H. towers yes
this is not going to be straight with five eight
towers arising from the beautiful grounds alone up valley like
this story at least nightmare
the people reject the proposal the building costs on health
square was chief prefabricated boxes you will see in the
next which are as well
we believe that hard ice age and the fact my
colleagues both the built form and the sense of place
also on health center
do you see that might come centre they constituents are
being treated quite differently the Oscar we have the mark
come
Markham center subcommittee so we ask where is our song
health center subcommittee our expertise sign a team our new
moved start secondary plan
the answer is that our most recent secondary plan exists
in this campaign first paper form lofty price in nineteen
ninety seven the twenty fourteen official plan was never finalized
because of the delay in getting our twenty fifteen out
back yeah my show digest and the same time two
large tried out Tyler Smith recently approved to be built
over a large area we understood that it was necessary
to preserve going these golf course and the fact if
I had to be met and the buildings are beautiful
or will be beautiful and and in in in keeping
with the extracting built form however you that peer respect
some people took are good well as a message that
they had built all over some health without drying or
you sent project by project project without regard to the
cumulative affect on that place the environment the green space
and our people but for healers do not make the
same mistake twice this accidental approach and it's cumulative effect
all in all of these projects into question the character
of our beautiful community to take away our green space
the teams based on our clean air with that take
the weight of family oriented community one project at a
time until all lost forever and so this time we
really need you are council to really hear our voices
marks mother comes public ground play each set and we
saw your work should be off mark come is committed
to enhancing and sustaining a unique and vibrant place to
live work play and invest this is based on providing
quality design suspects Austin about community and development which reflect
and recognize a rich history
the study collective see your works
we need your commitment Mr mayor and councillors to preserve
and enhance the beauty also on help with sensitive development
that will complement the built form and to respect the
fence off place a phone health center
this is a fuel from green lane looking west that
will be designed as part of this whole that will
respect the functional questions and the configuration of the buildings
and decorations she blasts streets open spaces and our part
plans for mobility I will quote from nineteen
watch which states regional staff have commented that the heights
and densities all the current proposal ... more appropriate where
supported by higher order transit such as subway which of
course you don't have to look at
please do the right thing deferred the proposal and gifts
on her constituents are due process our song health center
subcommittee so we can develop a secondary plan but respect
and protect some hail and our students thank you for
listening to the people who live in sun hill now
for inspecting the people who built it and for thinking
about the health and welfare of the people who inhabited
in that in the future thank you
thank you Elena just to correct the record so your
survey was completed by one thousand seven hundred and fourteen
people you you said seven hundred and what we're looking
at yeah
so I doubt you one thousand seven hundred and fourteen
have signed our yeah and and I can also show
you
if you wish there is also our site that we
have developed at next door of where we have right
now two hundred and eleven I see that as a
whole
okay that that
eight that won't be necessary to show is that we'll
take your word for that I I want to get
moving along here in
I just want to ... I just wanted to ...
it mention to members of the committee I'm gonna try
to get us to the halfway mark in terms of
the number of the deputations we're now up to forty
six we've completed nineteen so I'm gonna try to get
us through the next four and then we'll take a
break and then not come back so next up is
Luis Oliveira
Louis thank you Mr chairman let me share my screen
yeah I later could I ask you to mute yourself
please yes
close to have 5 minutes
so hi my name is we sort of area my
family include my wife who are not Keith so the
long and the other three generations I've been a long
time residents of Bayview ... John area I live in
don't feel relation on now and the phone call on
the screen and Congress sent back into a grueling
we walk cycle Dr right transit commute use the community
services and enjoy the area so we could directly impact
that that these applications
today I would like to share our perspective on the
development application some attention fact impact on the quality of
life and the needs of our or run plan to
create a better future for rested
so I spent quite some time reading the application documents
... what surprised for the magnitude of the request
first I found out the number of units to be
developed with the over to the south of us the
request is for additional software once one thousand two hundred
eighty seven units and they're keeping the right all day
origin of seven hundred twenty five units
it would be naive to think about both units one
one be developed at some point
so this is basically almost three times are what the
bus or unity and exceed on the official plan there
are a number of they are phase one which is
not approved a picture that each child on their on
right up the right process well you know five hours
they are in the office up that says thank you
twenty one ... floors it's going to be one and
one hundred twenty nine stories
the card will be sixty nine what is that supposed
to be in the official plan and the density is
more than double ... it doesn't the reference the head
sideways and the balance on the subway line density minimums
yes the point five we're talking four point eight here
how do we already approved that seven eight hundred twenty
five units it's unclear
based on the signing ... and then signed a maintenance
that they ask you need to go to ... three
thousand three ... fifty percent increase ... ... Kate so
thirty five metres with eight to ten thirty so you
do the math simple math you can do it need
at least forty hours five hours to be able to
yeah I come with a dot are I put what
they show places in the east bloc I maybe it's
south block I don't know it's not clear what these
corporation would be
so
great departure from The Oprah okay so plan on swinging
by law
it's really they were so bad I don't think but
I don't think so
intensification of the
he's only supposed to happen on our run growth center
like Longstock gateway around the first or the transit which
is not the case here
are there is no up
I need off these
level of intensification the top already and
yeah said that he
our gets the fifty two percent target for intensification Markram
should be able to be accommodated on there they both
lights for their twenty by twenty fifty one
also stopped is thinking that this could be a way
to several that relate that outside a few
... issues one forty seven on two eighty eight I
hope that's not the case I really think that those
issues that basically ask for
who are
how plan for the area I'll run plan for the
area how DO in that way
so from that initial point of
impacts we are talking thank you we all want a
strong livable healthy communities
thank you centre is supposed to be the card of
the community
so let's do a stress test on that car
how do five thousand residents sharing the transit roads community
services daycares and schools I'm adding
okay 2200 more cars on the roads
... for anyone who lives in the area like me
the test will fail about me
it took my granddaughter over a year to get that
fought in the day care
my neighbors are still waiting government programs get feel as
soon as they open
traffic on transit the server hi special note and many
people have talked about this but I have a health
service beyond self commuting for many years by car on
our public transit
the level of service is quite low is that and
level he
anything I will see you got a score that goes
from eight yeah is
yeah I just you're approaching your time limit can I
get a wrap up please Sir sure so normal transit
in summary that's gonna block the proposed development is to
match the
and your reviews the quite light I am asking you
to give the false bottom on
how these areas can up we will go moment runs
even cool or maturity and I knew that in the
coming years we will continue in this direction it will
create a monster you we continue doing application by application
it will not work
yeah corrugations are seven thousand more residents please three thousand
three hundred more cars they come only thinking back for
both current application development applications are you meant
we are required a comprehensive for one secondary plan on
similar to too great of a failed
okay Sir gonna ask you a lot on this basis
who is stuff that provides the local economy
okay thank you thank you rose appreciate it next up
is Brian course
her
okay I'd like to share my screen
Mr chairman council members and guests
my name is Brian course in a thirty nine year
resident on Brekken with crescent and star hill I applaud
progress in construction in Thornhill
but not happenstance and for the city of Markham deregulated
to something that is tasteful my primary concern is that
the secondary plan was prepared in nineteen eighty seven and
amended it several times including a further amendment request at
this date and is totally out of date thirty four
years later the city is using a bandaid approach to
patch up a secondary plan it is no longer relevant
it doesn't build in the current and future infrastructure support
work that is needed to observe the approximately three thousand
five thousand new residents from this project during the two
thousand new residents from the proposed tritone Serrano square developments
nor does it account for the spillover impact from the
thirty thousand new blank staff gateway residents market needs to
put a hold on all developments in this area until
there is a new secondary plan which takes into account
all current and future developments to gather and a new
transportation plan to support that secondary plan the key statement
here again is that all current and future developments be
considered together with regards to the impacts on infrastructure
calling from councillor Irish's latest newsletter Ward one with an
existing population of forty five thousand is mornings Markham's most
populous area COVID nineteen the Thornhill community center is the
city's most over used complex that has been for the
last many years only being some of the needs of
some of its existing residents we have the potential of
three to four new massive developments and no where in
the secondary plan is there mention of investment in the
community centres growth in keeping with the evolutionary population growth
and with approximately seven thousand new residents expected or more
in additional traffic is going to be horrendous and there
are no closed by public schools children these new developments
will have to be driven by parents are best there
are no active plans for upgrading transit our road infrastructure
to support the collective impact of these developments to reiterate
market needs to put a hold on all developments in
this area until there is a new secondary plan which
takes into account all current and future developments together and
a new transportation plan to support the new secondary plan
thank you Mr trump
thank you all right yeah before we move on to
the next speaker the clerk is reminded me please if
you are addressing committee you should be showing your video
so next up is soo Shiloh through are you with
us
yes I am I could
I'm sorry
what
perfect you've got five minutes all right I just went
off again sorry
Mr good evening Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor council members I
guess my name is Michelle and I've been a resident
on tamarack Dr here informed health for the last thirty
four years I've raised my family here and I love
the community
I'm here to address the council concerning decisions you will
have to make pertaining to development adjacent to the show
thanks hospital otherwise known as seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue
when I heard that there would be five take towers
some as high as thirty five stories my first question
was why why would any developer wants to destroy the
visual the air space on the tallest structure in the
area of the land
mark is only 15 storeys high
why would any developer not trying preserve green space and
integrate their buildings to distant the area they are beautiful
examples of condo living in the area at the Albion
thank you for example north of Steeles and Unionville gardens
at Markham center
why would any developer wanted dressed up to five thousand
people into an area with no plans to expand the
main corridor a few afternoon why indeed I for one
am not the only one who is asking these questions
almost seventeen hundred households have expressed that opinion by signing
the petition that has been circulating in the last month
this is far too much and proceeding far too quickly
the relationship between seventy seven fifty and at the potential
developments in the area must be examined as well as
the collective impact to reiterate Brian's words market needs to
first put a hold on all the developments in the
area until a new secondary plan is in place a
plan which takes into consideration all current and future developments
together together and a new transportation plan to support the
secondary plan I would like to quote councillors councillor Keith
Irish when he gave his opinion to date almost oxen
on T. R. NTL dot com how would by post
city on January sixth twenty twenty one about the development
I'm young and while Archie to quote I think it's
completely incompatible with the existing neighbourhood there is development and
then there's development imagine a fifty nine story tower at
the top of the hill it's going to be enormous
I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Irish and even though we
are not getting a fifty nine story tower I reiterate
these words for seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue
thank you very very much for allowing me to address
thank you through and and thank you for calling me
accurately
reshape that
next up is Johnnie Lynn
Johnny Linda you with us
yes hi hi Johnny
yeah members your presentation as well right and then
yes ... as many of my neighbors I've already said
I'm not gonna repeat ... what's I would just focus
on the main points of the usage of the committee
I mean Johnny lives are in the market cross the
street and I strongly feel the community ... the councillors
rejected the zoning amendment give the sales development urban landscape
something issues and environmental sustainability
so in the urban design section of the tallest towers
of this project will be a hundred twenty meters and
one of six meters tall the complete
I will be more than double the height of existing
landmark condominiums and little possibly over existing nearby neighborhoods therefore
they don't fit the urban design of the community that
consists of mostly single detached homes townhomes and two four
star units next up is that city so actually the
maximum height of highrise residential buildings is fifteen stories according
this is ... the city's official plan chapter eight land
use so this amendment we actually set a negative precedent
for future developments in the area mainly the south of
block or face to by the same developer timber creek
hello baby
additionally there's again the insufficient transit issue ... the budget
of the size needs to be near a major highway
or close access debate the subways or buses and actually
the city already designated areas along highway seven young street
lanes that gateway and downtown markup of the site hi
this is open
also according to the twenty seventeen York regional traffic study
undertaken corridors it's an existing group lots as John street
and green lane Jersey calyx
next up is the through traffic issue a landmark adding
to Eric's point earlier many drivers use the landmark we
are late as you can see here I was treated
right ... the bypass traffic lights at green lane faxes
Wilson Boulevard in bay view in orange and actually doing
a lot of times they go against the traffic flow
which is illustrated in green arrow it's a one way
direction call your
and also a lot of drivers don't obey speed limits
so this is ... increase of traffic flow will lead
to more reckless driving
next up we have ... why we need mixed use
development
so currently the mixed use zoning was safe trips and
travel times residents and prevent Thornhill from being further entrenched
as just another car in December we need a community
with diverse the abuses so residents can access services easily
by walking or cycling and work late and shop all
in the same neighborhood
for the councillors amended ground levels the shops and offices
such as pharmacies doctors offices and corner stores
and these are the reasons why homogeneous use of this
property is bad the city's official plan actually requires high
density residential development staff institutional entities such as daycare places
of worship the public schools none of which the current
development as proposed the city's also met a family from
the units both in square footage in the lay out
I with the building's not for the micro single studio
units that cater heavily to overseas investors who do not
care for the local community
also the city must reserve density for purpose built rental
units for families and young professionals seven price out of
the housing market in terms
also the exhibits ... city community amenities and place making
so the existing community facilities are more than twenty years
old and have rich the capacity limits and will not
be able to support so many families without permits therefore
it surely residential development will not for new municipal services
and will add significant stress the existing community facilities schools
daycare senior centre and parts
next up is a bimonthly packed ... this neighbourhood is
not flood vulnerable clustered identified by the Toronto regional conservatory
as already
and this areas actually flooded back in two thousand five
and repairs on water sewer upgrade are still under way
as of today and also residents are worried about floods
if the builder punches one of the highly vulnerable aquifers
underground during construction which immediately leave the flights as soon
I gentle condo Intrada
lastly the greenway designation limits of total argues service area
to ten percent of the developer like to protect national
stormwater management in the area
so in summary I heard City council to keep the
current mixed use and it right zoning this neighbourhood understands
the importance of development and supports reasonable intensification of the
proposed development does not address any of the needs of
the current residents north support sufficient amenities that truly build
towards a complete communities that people can live work and
play so we got this proposal is much too intensive
for the urban design contradicts the city's official plan in
many ways does not promote social inclusion nor equitable community
and ... adds considerable stress so the public infrastructure so
thank you kindly for your time and I look forward
to hearing from council regarding the support for community oriented
development and I pulled good urban design and place it
thank you
eight thank you Johnny appreciate that and your obvious preparation
and preparing the slides
a lot of effort and a lot of thinking so
thank you for that alright ... committee we are going
to recess ...
until nine fifty PM we have twenty three more people
registered to speak and that will take us to approximately
two more hours so I would appreciate everybody coming back
on time at nine fifty and ... we'll get started
then so thank you
not sure if that's the type of maybe it's John
Hughes John thank you this
Johnny with us
I don't see you
Madame clerk any news on John
I was just searching for John and I don't
why don't see okay well I'll put it on hold
the mean come back Jeff but
Jeff but
Jeff I've seen previously
yes hi Jeff you've got five minutes okay thank you
...
yes thank you Mr chair for more than thirty five
years I've lived in the baby when John area of
Thornhill and if concerns over the post baby ever you
Avenue liberty development after reviewing in detail the urban transportation
considerations study provided for this site I only have time
to address the transportation demand management strategies developers strategy for
how all these people get around and we'll point out
in five minutes why it will fail this entire proposed
development is predicated on transportation as long as a future
contemplated two thousand five hundred plus new residents can get
around fit into the existing transportation system without causing chaos
and all is great all will not be great
I will at times be referring to the municipal quality
of service ratings for transit and cycling services these range
from a the best to ask the worst possible and
our call the level of service or LOS ratings
table one lists the six potential mobility plan strategies for
this site the first strategies proximity to transit the study
sites
eight B. development sites proximity to bus service along young
street steals Avenue provides convenient access and connections either thirty
minute walks from the site not really convenient access in
that rain and heat and slush and ice there is
a bus stop close to the site however the level
of service rating is easy for the transit headway or
bust frequency this is very unsatisfactory checking the walk scores
for transit it is rated as thirty nine out of
one hundred or bad some transit a few nearby public
transportation options the second mobility strategy is bicycle facilities they
claim connections allow for a variety of commuting and recreational
cycling choices when looking at the level of service for
bicycles in appendix D. they evaluate the Bayview intersections at
green lane royal orchard in John street each intersection corner
and road segment were rated for combines twenty four scores
well for ratings had a level of service of the
E. very unsatisfactory the other twenty ratings all have LOS
scores of ash the worst possible bicycling is very dangerous
of the site very few people ride a bicycle for
commuting or errands nor let their children ride to school
or to their friends homes third mobility strategies to pedestrian
context the walk score for the site is thirty seven
on a scale of one hundred equating to car dependent
most errands require a car yes you can safely walk
to the unsatisfactory LOS E. transit and can visit the
local neighborhoods on foot but not much chance of walking
for your errands this site is card opinions the fourth
mobility strategy is a private shuttle service the study claims
and efficient on site site channel connection is supportive of
a reduction in Ottawa who use and ownership for residents
once you own your necessary car pay for insurance and
parking you'll not want your condo fees going towards paying
for any level of shuttle service the fifth mobility strategy
is to reduce car usage this will be accomplished by
reduce parking standards to encourage residents employee
some visitors to reconsider the use and ownership of a
vehicle if there is limited parking at my place of
employment that is poor transit services or limited parking at
a friend's home that has poor transit services I will
not consider selling my car but will consider finding another
job that is great transit will not visit my friends
and relatives they can come to visit me it is
suggested providing insufficient parking isn't the most effective measure to
get people on transit the the is written in bold
italicized and underlined perhaps the actual most effective measure to
get people on transit is to build the project on
a site that has good transit available such as beside
higher order transit or subway station with good transit you
don't need to restrict parking to get people on if
you have to restrict parking to get people in transit
the development is not in the correct place and should
not be built at all
after the above five mobility strategies unsatisfactory transit bicycling through
deadly intersections restaurant context to me was you to walk
to poor transit and around the neighborhood but not for
Erin's a glorious free shuttle that the private citizens would
have to pay for in will likely never operate in
restricted parking so scarce is to force residents reserves employees
to take transit their last great mobility travel strategy is
communication promotion to talk the residents into using these alternatives
they state communication promotion will successfully manage events in special
circumstances as they arise their plan is no plan at
all entire transportation demand management proposal the whole urban transportation
considerations study just proves this development is is raster waiting
to happen
this development does not fit in the into the context
of the very suburban and very car centric John Bayview
area it does not deserve to see the light of
day in the city of Markham thank you for your
time
all right thank you Jeff and ... appreciate went through
that quickly but you were right on the button that
five minutes so great thanks thank you for that and
some good some good points made as well naturally next
up is Susan many students
are you with us
I see as soon as you are I'm hearing you
yep there you are perfect any
Jamie
yep we can hear and see okay
just give me one second here
I'm reading off of my screen so hopefully that's not
interfering with the performance all right thank you Mr mayor
Mr Deputy Mayor chair and committee members for hearing my
comments this evening my name is Susan Anne and I
am not an expert and urban planning nor member of
any neighbourhood executive nor an environmental scientist will nor even
an accountant I come to you to speak with our
as a concerned citizen with the expertise of living in
the community of foreign help we currently live online and
have resided in Thornhill since nineteen eighty so forty one
years both our sons were born and raised here over
those years we have watched many changes the community has
grown and evolved we witnessed the building of the original
Thornhill square mall in nineteen eighty one the arrival of
St Luke's accessible living accommodation the rise of the land
most of the townhouse development to the east of Thornhill
square the addition the only secondary school just to mention
a few
our family has personally utilize the local community resources for
many years including the ice rink soccer fields will be
disabilities library resources community center spaces in activities in with
personally Dennison managing those facilities intensifying her soon to be
launched into like with their own families now and my
husband and I sadly have graduated into the arena of
the senior centre
I've also worked in Borneo and formula the teacher Thornlea
secondary school for approximately nineteen years during that time I
served as the chair of the committee which was established
to plan the usage of the new bringing which was
founded with classrooms and computer labs our goal with insuring
fair apple access for both students and teachers as you
the stewards of our future in this community move forward
with these proposals we ask that you ensure the fair
in fact will access of all residents equal access to
community resources
changing noble but I believe that there's a fair and
equitable access should be the primary driver of decisions it
must be thought without considered I'm not opposed to development
but this massive development this massive request on the part
of liberty is beyond the pale
the two towers have been approved for baby worthwhile orchard
that was done sensitive with five towers are proposed at
Thornhill square formulas where she needed redevelopment for a long
time the phase five towers with potentially a total of
eight including face to our as I said beyond the
pale
this represents an increase if you take into it top
fifteen percent of the population towards one in its entirety
and increase which would be significantly greater for considered immediate
impact of eight hundred meters we're getting us to the
interest section phase three nine this increase does not include
the development proposed for World War Jim Young which will
be on the subway line and it does not include
the proposals some of which have been approved for lunch
actively if you exclude the current proposal for seventy seven
fifty baby we will reach over thirty three thousand three
thirty two thousand new future Imran documents and this intensification
will result in an increase of eighty three percent we
didn't well within the poll's of the York region intensification
plans
there's one small story that I would like to challenge
them running out of time just give me the hands
I worked with the quality of the secondary moved north
to sixteenth Avenue in the late nineteen nineties a year
and a half later they moved back down onto the
on to ... Lindemann they could not stand the traffic
and that was in nineteen ninety eight the traffic is
absolutely impossible and to put this amount of
occupants on that land the traffic plans that they are
proposing we just create total chaos you would be empty
to the fire station and the paramedics to come out
of there this development should be pursued with that in
mind for compatibility in both design and client these buildings
that are proposed far more than double the proposed held
square development two point six times the height of the
existing landmark condominiums five point five times higher than the
office tower eight times higher than the John street in
Johnson village townhomes and twelve times the height the average
from these buildings are much more in line with what
should be in the high impact transit corridors which have
been
set aside it does not belong in this particular area
thank you and thank you to all of the other
individuals who have presented I have learned so much from
her presentation and I ask you the community as the
steward future should consider this
thank you I thank you thank you Susan next up
is Transocean
see you on the screen there
PM I'm your body about five minutes thank you thank
you for giving them
I am it is different than property owner
and so wanted to fire yeah when you look at
it on the east side of did you have when
you
the girls from the subject lands
there is quality of life impact with the proposed development
excellence on Plains you'll be here when you the property
is currently zoned was there one thank you for your
needs this application ignores
this is N. six the amendment approvals to build does
include one thousand to eighty seven units
that use them three do add the seven twenty five
units of the liturgy that you rent your total the
two thousand drainage almost did but all of that but
we get by the site specific policies
I was beginning I am speaking today to express my
concern and objection to the application for the immense N.
to go on record to request that it be denied
I have a dream
concerns one of the enrollment
again safety impacts and turn is you energizing Clement damaging
his intense you doing that you
in terms of the environment
the subject lands are currently a wonderful green space in
spite of the fact that the proposed zoning includes the
public spaces and walking trails you could have a major
impact on the environment
in regards to safety and traffic impacts
I have a number of points I am pleased to
continue
number one is there are you needed muster Johnson they
have yet
a long value or John street
WFSB buster and it's just dumb
to get started extent
there are no plans for higher order transit development
in the immediate area
therefore he connect you would be willing pays to an
unsafe level
secondly Steffi can be done in the area
of the subject lands on Bayview Avenue in Glendora extremely
congested during the morning and late afternoon Russell's
significant delays that experienced a southbound in the morning and
northbound in the late afternoon
it in one thousand to eighty seven involvement dwelling units
we've only had to this traffic condition
it also goes more motor used to used
but the residential streets redemption will award the trophy
in particular that a long road or Jack Williams willow
brook road Elland road green lane and joins Street would
be seriously affected by hearing significantly more residential units and
the vehicles in the area ... the existing orders from
the recital debut religion that proceeds noted to Laura to
orchard Boulevard is very musical and you read the graphic
using it to go to the landmark buildings Israel is
still loyal generous but we
user says the lord is also used by vehicles wishing
to close out one two billion
the proposed development plans agree extend that exist in order
to meet the rest on extension of Green late that
the current insurance or to short as well
this is related to you one more where he goes
on to the accessible and we're committed to backups and
the drilling and Bayview intersection that featured south of Lolo
Jones was in get ready unzips the judicial for drivers
and pedestrians
do exist but it does you
the rail crossing along green lane is a level crossing
and you just considerably that the traffic could make up
moved maybe you run a slow moving god will bring
is busting with the initial notes so many new units
for
the land mine complex where are you there is a
serious problem with the both commercial and personal vehicle using
a lot of private roads is a shortcut menu and
green lane ... err Ward the congestion on the view
this is a serious their duty is to oversee done
in particular children and seniors walking the sidewalks and by
to give you a local report
increasing the number of road residence immediately just on your
property related to the number of vehicles using this shortcut
in addition to the approved allotment project
well the oil then you the expansion plans for the
red hat being loaded the proposed Ms bread known open
football news grant this development will add tremendous population density
in the local area sergeant
such a drastic rise in dense you can relate them
soon really negative impacts on already
since since I was calling community and recreation facilities serving
the area
the development application is of serious concern to the old
one if you don't
there and I expect this committee and all of council
board to reviews consultant every
and for our councillor to represent the supporting G. I.
O. did you ... denied the application and limit development
device that once implanted been there when you limited partners
in that currently in the official plan seven hundred by
units the building will what is height thank you very
much of them the chit at Miller's mobile manner
eight thank you thank you Sir Mister chair Mister chair
yes Sir sorry sorry to interrupt you but ... only
because I think there's still some landmark residence ... better
either watching ... or stolen in the zoom meeting and
and started back to grasp but ... just because a
couple couple people brought it up ... one it's just
to kind of highlight the work that you did with
of the tri del application could you just give a
quick like I mean quick ... update on on what
you agreed to in terms of dealing with the people
cutting through in the landmark is a few people have
brought it up now and I won you know obviously
it's not it's tough to always get
... communication out to everybody and that they understand that
so could you just quickly say what you accomplish their
... with the support of council and the and obviously
try to all the applicant
well I think if you're if you're referring to there's
two things obviously ... you we lobbied very very hard
for a traffic light wear Ward orchard currently meets baby
but in lieu of that the application before us tonight
of course would extend the warlord true to connected green
lane at Bayview if it if it proceeds to council
the other areas it's actually the shared services board of
the three landmark buildings made an arrangement with tri delts
for technology that will read license plate numbers so that
only those vehicles authorized under the landmark property will be
able to automatically activate the traffic arms thereby eliminating any
cross through traffic on one
thanks yes it was the second point the first one
... yeah we all worked out and I and I
just I know you were involved in all aspects of
it but that's the one I want to highlight just
because some people a great step a few times so
obviously they are on aware of the ... the advance
advancement you made ... what we were dealing with that
application so thanks I didn't want to pick up a
lot of time but it is worth mentioning okay thank
you I appreciate that okay next up is Lulu we
did have a note in the chat though that they
were putting their children to bed a few minutes before
ten and they were are gonna do that and come
back at the back
it's been a while since I've had to put children
to bed so I can't recall how long it takes
sometimes it can take a while I think
all right not yet not back yet okay welcome back
Andrew Chung
Andrew are you with us
I see you on the screen there you are just
a new yourself and you have five minutes Sir
okay
good evening my name is amber Chong thank you for
the opportunity to voice my concerns regarding the development at
seven seven fifty baby robin you I've been a resident's
on Julia street in Thornhill for over forty years and
I've seen many changes during to the community during this
time I am very concerned with this current development proposal
called the proposal calls for five towers ranging in height
from eighteen to thirty four stories this does not fit
in with the look and feel of our neighbor community
the market regional plan permits a maximum of 8 stories
calls requesting an increase of approximately two to four times
the permitted height
the proposal also requests an increase in the site density
from two point zero four point zero eight SR or
floor space index this is twice the permitted amount buildings
eighteen to thirty five stories does not conform to our
community
the market official plan provides for a maximum of seven
hundred twenty five units the proposal calls for one thousand
two hundred eighty seven residential units or one point eight
times the units per minute
including face to a total of two thousand and twelve
units are proposed fourteen point eight times units permitted
I hope the council will reject the proposed increase in
height density and the number of units to support the
development which will result in increased traffic and congestion especially
on our smaller residential streets
the proposal calls for a reduction in resolution residential parking
rates from one point two five to one point zero
space per unit
the lack of rapid transit in the areas such as
the subway may result in a higher number of occupants
of the development using a car to commute to work
thus requiring more parking spaces than being proposed by the
developer
the proposal also calls for reduction in visitor parking rates
from zero point two five to zero point one visitor
spaces per unit
or reduction in the visitor parking space could result in
gas parking on nearby side streets Thornhill community center and
the proponent males Park I hope the amendments to permit
the reduction residential district park manager also rejected
I am also concerned about any changes to the green
wave boundaries that would reduce the available green space we
need to preserve as much screen space in the community
as possible
I am not against the development of the property but
I do believe it should be done in a way
that fits in with the community and follows the Markham
official plan and zoning bylaws thank you very much for
your time
thank you Andrew next is David Ellison
I gave you have 5 minutes
your presentation
the presentation
yes we can
okay thank you
members of council starts on residential phone hello
soon home is one of the largest areas of Markham
comprising four thousand acres
it has been largely develops according to the official plan
is land use patterns are well established stable until
we should make sure we protect heritage buildings just west
side of July fourth middle which I'm showing on the
presentation here
this is all conjecture is based on Frank Lloyd Wright's
with the building being integrated into the landscape
the surrounding natural heritage in the garden landscape should also
be designated and protected
the promoter creek ecological corridor
needs to be wider and better protected than is currently
proposed in the development plan
this can be done
property has a very high water table as you can
see on this map
the right hand side inside the right over the projections
location over shoulders hospital is
you should also be taken into account when taking anyone
doing any part of the problem
in addition to members there are examples of new developments
the respect the surrounding areas and the previous neighbourhoods
one of them is a point was at Huntington condominium
on Bayview Avenue which is just north of Eglinton Avenue
it's a good problem such that it is not possible
to see the two programs from the houses to the
sales to the rules so it is point two condominiums
being on higher ground this picture was taken pointed directly
to the condominiums and then all of a little
... because of the way this is being done that
before and also the condominiums I'll be restricted to a
storage
if we look at the actual condominium cells they are
like this is the storeys high and on the north
side on the rights you can see the beginning of
the both of which separates it from the previous photograph
with rivers I'm sure
we moved out to for help
this is what the residents on the south side of
the full size property currently seen this is ... bear
with gates which is the nearest ... seven presidential properties
south of the proposed development
and I have an artistic rendering that this is approximately
what they might see as volume goes ahead
so there's a significant change in a landscape for these
residents
another view is taken here this is from confiscates further
to the south on the other side of Jones once
again with an artistic rendering we can see that the
development will produce a significant change in the arm what
the residents would see
the proposal does not take into account I think the
heritage building
the natural environment more former residence which is from cells
we can understand the voting in areas that is already
on the concrete
one of those rules and does not have any green
error
this for example is not how we anticipate what how
we she's one hell to be with a small amount
of green area and a large developments
June this is the ... source code I should run
lands took to green area around shoulder ice this is
true the droll that is one of the green centres
of phone hello
it contrary to the current approach needs to combat such
things as global warming
what what the green area developments for something on highway
seven
for district closes on my research from Kennedy rose one
steel Avenue where there are jobs
someone who is already being inundated with developments on the
young street corridor
as well as owning stocks
we expect this plan to be sent back to the
drawing board
it can be scaled down to a more reasonable level
8 storeys as defined in the official plan
or even better move this development to another area of
Markham
thank you for your time
thank you David next is Joan on's burger
it just get you to stop sharing your screen David
if you may
getting to work
yeah
your own Joan arms burger journey with us I think
I lost you yep we can see in the area
of John you have five minutes yes ... the salient
question I would ask the council is what does this
development do for Thornhill what does it add to our
community
it add shadows to people's backyards it adds traffic and
up on a narrow road
it adds the amount of people and pets in the
surrounding parks if there's going to be twenty five hundred
people in units there's going to be a thousand dogs
who need to be watered where
they will add to the manure produced
this
condominium development does not follow the secondary plan of the
intensification only young street and highway seven were identified for
intensification millionaires do not take buses they are going to
be in cars
it doesn't meet the housing needs of of our people
where are the workers who support the million Arabs where
are they coming from how are we going to help
the homeless how are we going to help the disadvantage
with more millionaires to Thornhill
there isn't enough transition from the buildings of the heritage
to this huge intensification the glass facade is probably going
to increase the bird strike for the birds next door
to it it will lead to the destruction of animal
life
it will add the on fire of response twinning as
an example I was requesting a ... I live on
Elkan Street ... which is one street so th of
John street I lived in the community for over fifty
years and I was asking for street of Perot's speed
hump on elegant Street in the fire chief told me
Donna and this was five years ago over five years
ago on average of three there were thirty calls on
royal orchard fifteen on John street and to on elegant
Street that's without increasing the population from this development the
development across the street and its surrounding so the current
residents are going to increase the response time for their
fire of people even though the new of
paramedic building is not going to be on Glen Cameron
so at least we might get an ambulance
because Barker trucks can't go down that pinch point on
the bridge at John street because it's one way and
there's no place for anyone to pullover if a fire
truck needed to go down there
it takes away the privacy of the existing homes it
lurches over of the golf course in the homes
and some
of with earlier tried all of the building they were
going to leave standards I don't see anything that helps
the environment
the other thing this development is being taken in isolation
if they develop across the street to John and Bayview
... the food basics will go if they developed the
royal orchards ... development the food basics goes the the
new development a calmer and young food basics has been
eliminated there is food security
issues also with this and if we are to talk
about ...
I just wanna make sure
the other is an example I was going to talk
about in terms of increased and traffic are at Arnold
and young ... which is the extension of elegant ...
date built one seven storey condo
the increase in traffic was ten fold on one seven
story condominium and all of that traffic filters on to
Henderson so that they can then turn right on to
John street so with one
increase if it was ten fold on one seven storey
condo five stories I can't imagine
and
let's get to the developer itself let's use your own
jump start interrupt you have about a minute yes ...
past the past performance doesn't predict future performance world on
young was allowed forty five and that was brought down
to thirty five because the subway was going to be
built right away and we know if we put a
shovel in the ground today it will be ten years
on young street there is no buses no subways that
will match
so I think we have to look at the past
performance of those developer in in trying to build and
listen and to know that if they how many times
did they actually to deliver what they said and they're
park space for world on young is one kilometer away
from their five towers so I believe they should have
a lot more green space a lot more parkland if
they're going to bring in that incredible incredible amount thank
you for your time
thank you John okay I'm just gonna go back up
to two people that were on the list but ...
were no shows when I call them John this
or if that's the type of John Hughes is John
joined this
Laura any sign of John
your character don't see any signs of John okay all
right I'm gonna scratch him from the list is next
is Lulu
Maria back from putting your children to bed yeah I
just got back
there you are okay can you spell your video
yeah and you have 5 minutes
I wanna
okay it's not I mean need shoreline way to Constantine
or
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okay now online the showroom I may go go if
you mouse over the bottom of the zoom window it's
the second button from the left yeah I'm clicking on
it but it's not going to get alright it's alright
I'll just I'll be short okay so my name is
Leo ... ideas on the twenty seven don street ...
thank you will give me to proceed to speak often
so I I'm I I live in the H. all
calls are so I think a lot of people have
already made my points so I just want to say
that ... but also noble heritage house the city hospital
has cost to make a lot of big providers both
in terms of our meeting conferred on data comes are
all providers so we have available pay those sacrifices because
we love this committee on the rear lot to ...
history offered on the we love to walk in the
neighbourhood estate circle go back to history my soul I
think a this is the bottom proposal will significantly impact
significantly impact the heritage value of the neighbourhood on the
real us technique the increase of traffic but don't street
is right the a major our heart article School ...
... from baby will too young and ... we see
the traffic on junction sorry day so I think this
will sit in a free ... impact back on the
you'll also impact the environmentally sensitive ... ...
yes also that's that's just my two plans so thank
you
okay
thank you thank you Sir next up is choice LEED
told him
choice there
I Joyce I am I don't know if you can
hear me yep we can see and hear you you
have five minutes great thank you very much for the
opportunity to speak ... my name is Joyce the Tobin
and I've been living on tamarack Dr since may of
twenty twenty ... but I've been a resident of the
Thornhill Markham community since nineteen eighty five originally originally living
on Summerdale I've also seen first hand the impact of
massive developments as a floral seven was being built on
my doorstep as I was progressing through primary school my
husband and I purchased our first family home in Tamarac
in February of twenty twenty nearly breaking the bank and
had we known that there would be these massive developments
forthcoming we would not have purchased this house the massive
increase in population and traffic density are exactly what we
wanted to avoid
we're not against development but the proposed a shoulders development
buildings are simply not in keeping with the character of
the existing community and would create a tremendous strain on
the existing infrastructure and community amenities which already require continual
maintenance and upgrading due to the age of the neighbourhood
as mentioned earlier the existing zoning laws permit mixed use
mid rise
all in all such mid rise buildings with the majority
of two to three bedroom units would be in keeping
with the current character and make about the community and
would make much more sense than adding several city skyscrapers
there is a need for more affordable housing for young
families and these mid rise buildings could provide this to
the neighbourhood and as a young family such a development
would have been a very attractive option had we not
purchased a home in Tamarac
in addition as a mother of two young children one
of my primary concerns and one of the reasons we
moved to the neighborhood is access to recreational programming for
children this is provided primarily by the Thornhill community center
with the addition of thousands of new residents how will
the community center which is already struggling to accommodate current
residents deal with this additional influx if development is to
proceed and it should only proceed by honoring the existing
and appropriate zoning laws the community center contact itself must
be significantly expanded to accommodate the influx of residents and
to ensure that local residents have easy access to programming
it is also necessary to have expanded outdoor programming as
a sort of community center does not have green space
or outdoor recreational space directly on the premises the dire
need for programming and outdoor programming especially for children and
seniors has been clearly highlighted during this pandemic
in addition as mentioned over and over again the traffic
on baby was already considerably heavy with the addition of
a few more thousand residents this will only increase congestion
local residents will also choose to divert their routes
and take Willowbrook and green lane as an alternative which
will increase traffic right on our doorstep and for obvious
reasons this is problematic
development is to proceed and it should only proceed by
honoring the existing an appropriate zoning laws there must be
a mass transit hub within walking distance of the proposed
developments and perhaps underground pedestrian access to the community center
and shopping center at the were no square this will
encourage local residents not to get in their cars I
contribute to the already highly congested beat you traffic and
finally with additional child Sir what what additional child care
options will exist for the huge influx of residents at
the moment there is only one day care within the
immediate vicinity that accepts invents and this is rocking horse
daycare on guardian Street there are waiting lists for most
classes which leaves many parents struggling to find viable child
care options there is the early on child care center
within Florida community center and this is government funded which
is fantastic but they do not take in bins and
with the proposed development also at your goals are square
there's no clear communication as to whether this child care
facility will remain and if so will its capacity increased
to accommodate the influx of residents so it is obvious
that additional child care centers will be required if development
is to proceed and again it should only proceed by
honoring the existing and appropriate zoning laws the center should
be incorporated into the ground level units of the proposed
developments to accommodate this massive increase in residence and once
again to discourage unnecessary driving that will further contribute to
our traffic congestion thank you for the opportunity opportunity to
speak today
thank thank you Joyce do you want to and the
microphone over to Patrick she is it is up next
but it didn't beside you know
so
good evening Patrick you have five minutes and are asked
our doctor follow Patrick's
nobody user thank you very much ... so greeting Mr
Mayor Deputy Mayor council members and guests the so we'll
take long since it's so late so my name is
projects open and ... they live in a time or
a year a young families my wife decides and ...
week we really enjoy living this year's end however as
you mentioned we possibly would not have purchased here we've
known of the extensive both above ground power has sitting
directly now the source development so I believe that's critical
in the city of Markham sure the proposed assurance developments
... respects the wishes of local residents the development plans
presented by liberty size are totally unacceptable in the current
form informovala steering committee and other contributors have convinced me
of this slide on all aspects that make strong arguments
that liberties presentation in comparison with uninspiring lacking in clarity
and weak arguments unfortunately is that me with very little
coffins the parties intentions
so here my three main concerns and recommendations ... and
my first concern is that elected officials may not be
representing the region's wishes all of real afternoon residents sell
recommendations that councillors reject the developers propose it's nice until
one the wishes of local residents are part of the
but my developers bands into the updated developers plans respect
the existing policies were corrected density use zoning and permitted
storeys in certain number two
I am concerned for the currently in the center of
my wife is ... so that if they would meet
the needs of existing residents are the needs of addition
of thousands of new residents from the proposed development recommendation
is apparently thank you centre will increase the size in
line with inflation increase in population receive this concert should
propose an independent study commissioned by the city marketer says
poetry Don what additional facilities needed and how much with
a coffee I've been in this thirty and presented to
local residents for consultation on a recommendation from the war
concert on the significant contribution is required on the developer
to find any proposed expansion is concerned three is there
is no major transit hub in the vicinity traffic congestion
is going on bear of a problem for existing and
potentially new residents recommendations I wore councillors propose an independent
study commissioned to investigate a traffic management solutions to address
concerns the seven thirty again to be presented to local
residents for consultation and to consider all the developments not
just short this ... and they're work ons of recommend
that developers in the cost of accepted sustainable solutions should
they exist so soon basis around Bayview ... John street
green lane and
so I could look up to
okay thank you Patrick next up is bill Wheeler
bill you with us
yes I'd rather just to name here you've got five
minutes bill okay R. Mr chairman and members of the
committee yes my name is bill Wheeler are my wife
and I have lived on margin core which is near
the John and Bayview area for the past forty years
we are not against increased density the proposed far towers
on the shoulders property are completely unacceptable because of the
extreme remember stories reach building from all over eighteen to
hire thirty five nothing in this area are there existing
or planned is even close what are markets fifteen story
use roar rave use approved for twelve and fourteen concerning
square six to fifteen
much higher population density in this area will have a
negative effect on traffic one Bayview and roll archer and
even more on John street which is already bumper to
bumper during rush hours
these are 2:00 hours or more certain
to downtown Toronto for young street ... completely unsuited to
the character of the existing neighborhoods
almost all right to say thank you for your time
okay thank you bill next is Jeffrey Cahn
Jeffrey
we'll get to the right group phone one the other
minute
Jeffrey current
Jeffrey with us
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through
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all right you've got we can see you and hear
you you've got five minutes
well
the agility of the teams that I was
trying to explain was explain meets my neighbour's
so when
the only thing that I want to I had maybe
...
the safety
and then
also there is we don't have enough
the public amenities
4 dead present population
for example whenever you go to library there's only a
few
the struggle by
I live here in landmark for 15 years we might
moved going children
we use the need more spaces for youth to
do I support during winter time and also bigger library
for the year committee which we are just out and
I'm sure
regardless of the height of the
these colors which are ready the
strange this area
and doesn't conform to texture of
when these
the area
did population will
who do you
which you already is raising this which is our most
would not have a good life
in these neighborhoods after
there is a building up these colors
moreover
the safety in one week be very impact at the
traffic and
and safety which we call the movie there
as
I think jam and
in the street which you see now even in the
rush hour in the reasoning that speech cores are retired
drivers are retired to come back to home and safety
matters turning
the one hurting god which is very
who
it can be moved considered is safety during construction I'm
sure
all those
things which
construction will bring in the neighbourhood
is
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that's all that I can add to other teams sign
players strategic these
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okay
infrastructure
thank you very much for taking all
thank you say reshape that ... just gonna go back
Jeffrey Karnes any sign Laura Jeffrey
or broke
thank
thanks Jack okay mute your microphone say please Starkiller I
don't think Jack curry and ... the other person
our records
I don't know
your let me know what they join us next up
is very Nelson
thank you I have a and screen sure
Mr checking hearing
I can hear you thank you
Mr Jeremiah names very Nelson heritage advocate with spot the
society for the preservation of historic Thornhill ... we've were
founded in nineteen seventy four
we're medium through which we preserve the heritage both cultural
and military heritage heritage in Thornhill over the last forty
six years to run thirty nine Thornhill village festivals installed
over doesn't heritage markers to produce newsletters
another a historical education resources we built the Thornhill archives
and we've also hosted many guest speakers and other special
events over the years
there are four major problems with this application I'd like
to speak to tonight first one is building heights to
go beyond ten floors densities to high
we need to perform stages three and four of an
archaeological excavation they're missing and then for the the built
and cultural heritage resources within the site to become a
new heritage district
I'm look at the first the building heights I'm incredibly
disappointed and saddened to observe the common disregard for our
Markham official plan of two thousand fourteen snow legal document
that you as a
council created to negotiated outcome it's already based on stakeholder
parties coming together over
literally hundreds and hundreds of dollars probably well over a
thousand hours Dainik dedicated to creating these protocols amongst other
defined requirements it's a violation of the intent of our
lawful two thousand fourteen official plan word twenty four to
thirty five floors or thirty four floors would be a
major increase of approximately three point five times the regional
plan
the density is too high
it's beyond the intent of the complex calculation that local
residents agencies businesses as well as distant municipalities north and
south depend upon planning professionals within water sewer power education
transportation communications fire law enforcement all depends on this plan
the notation for future planning when it comes to support
of our residents as well we've heard so many instances
of that tonight
U. S. custody ends need to enable our partners by
following the intentions of the law that you as council
have created
her three is performing stages three and four of an
archaeological excavation
with our current learnings global focus and mandatory sensitivities to
understand our history writing historical cultural wrongs and focusing on
diversity and inclusion whether it be in the past or
present or planning into our future and for our future
generations to come we're obliged to make every effort now
to do the right thing before any masticating occurs near
our east on river heritage and culture resources within the
site go well beyond white settlers
we're living on lands within approximately twenty pre historic indigenous
settlements every council meeting we listen to the Mayor pay
hommage to these people
who are not following through right now marquis logical survey
near a river the only went to a tested steps
of five centimeters that's two inches into the subsoil finding
no evidence of habitat course wouldn't well it won't provide
an identification of the a rich cultural resources that lie
within our now natural heritage setting Langstaff oversight found two
thousand four hundred and seventy two prehistoric artifacts over seventeen
week period in ninety three I mention this and heritage
Markham and it was ignored nobody followed up
so here is
it's not an easy document to get it takes a
few minutes it took me a total of one our
investment of trying to get this document
nobody's found
what's really interesting is the document defines within both within
five years five kilometers which which is where the lank
staff location was from this site it's estimated that twenty
probably are not your call village sites exist within the
ten climbers here's a few of them
the ladies golf course is a site as defined in
the document the east on river this is that our
area is defined within the document the Thornhill site to
find within the document needs to be some rich work
done here it's not enough
the built and cultural heritage resources within the site have
now become a new judge district albeit it's a small
one these assets need to be protected from the height
inclusions by legal instruments available to our planning staff our
planning staff can look after all of these issues in
the great document that you created before this yes it's
been challenged but still it's a great legal document
when this proposal was being discussed in February twenty twenty
one heritage market meeting by members the chair repeatedly into
properly instructed the group that height of the proposed new
towers was not considered a heritage impact would not be
included in the discussions and recommendations and actually it was
included in the minutes until follow
why was the committee instructed to do so heritage assets
are always impacted by the height of surrounding infrastructure I've
never seen otherwise it heritage Markham no the council members
attending challenge this assertion why not no big deal talk
about height but not in a strong way it wasn't
even on the minutes of the beginning
please send this item back to heritage Markham
also please follow our legal two thousand fourteen official plan
Mister chair how long do I have left Sir
the clerk keeps the time all of us the clerk
okay you told me at the beginning to be a
can you please advise how much time do this step
intent as remaining
okay I'll continue to share the two thousand fourteen a
fair market official plan is the law yes it's been
challenge but needs to be followed by you elected representatives
and we you are Cristo dein's of the current lawful
plant
if you change R. two thousand fourteen oh key and
set a new standard you'll also be making the standard
available to all future legally for sophisticated applications of a
similar nature within a reasonable reasonable raise the radius more
seen these pop up as proposed the changes of the
official plan or major and you've now seen charged in
deviating from the lawful interpretation of our official plan within
a zoom call also members of this development services committee
through the chair are charged with the impossible review of
**** the context of the official plan within the full
Markham community of review within times of a normal communication
protocol protocols is COVID nineteen at the rate okay
one
second let's hear I'm done
we don't
all right thank you very much
next up is up Alaina all clock alignment
I'm very could I please ask you to meet your
microphone
hi Alaina Allana
okay well I am gonna be shorter than that because
a lot of my points have already been made very
eloquently ... so basically the traffic issue the infrastructure issue
the increased surface water which is the flooding issue and
then the building not being compatible with heritage and then
being very surprised that we have to endangered species on
that land that are now ... theoretically if this project
goes forward going to be in even more in you
know more jeopardy so all of that put together I
do hope that the committee ... season they've got a
lot of work to do with liberty to make this
project work with Lauren hill thank you okay thanks a
lot next up is Robert Miller
hi Robert you have five minutes Sir thank you can
you hear me
yes
Mr chairman ... members of council thanks for the opportunity
to speak with you ... my name's Robert Miller I'm
a lawyer at Davies how I've very recently been retained
by shoulders hospital limited
... as you're well aware ... Chile's hospital has operated
a world renowned ... private hospital on seventy seven fifty
baby for sixty eight years
primarily doing hernia surgery
in twenty sixteen ... shoulders ... sold the property at
seventy seven fifty two ... atlas shoulders healthcare who intended
to build a a health care campus there and ...
the existing hospitals gonna be one component of that campus
and to implement that ... the shoulders hospital least back
... the side of their hospital and to the immediate
grounds around if that were necessary for the function of
their business
and I mentioned this is true because it's important because
it it it gives rise to our concerns so I
want I want I want to be clear that my
clients not opposed to development on the property but it
wants to make sure that it's existing operations is not
adversely impacted by about development and there is currently a
fifteen year term left on the lease and and the
hospital intends to stay there for the full term
so
I'm advising my clients submitted a letter I hope you
have it and that you've had a chance to look
at it not touch to it there was an aerial
photo that ... outlines in read the the lands that
all referred to as the least promises that they released
back that is sort of the shoulders property in the
middle of of seventy seven fifty
and it's important because my clients got three areas of
concern the first is parking the second is the sort
of ring road access configuration for the proposed development and
the third is the servicing infrastructure plan
so with regard to parking the lease requires that ...
the landlord ... and an atlas sold to liberty in
twenty nineteen so and and liberty assume the lease so
there now the landlord they have to provide the hospital
with surface parking for a specified number of cars in
a location as specified distance from the front door of
the hospital
and we've had discussions about our concerns with liberty over
the past weeks since we were made aware of some
of the details of the project and they've never been
named we we haven't resolved this concern from the plans
that we've seen there's no guarantee that are parking is
going to be retained
so the hospital will end up with certainly less parking
than they have now and that they're entitled to and
and we have no idea how much parking will be
locked
the second concern with parking arises from the request for
the reduced parking rate which seems to be a parking
read more appropriate for development located in a regional centre
corridor where it's you know a mixed use development better
served by higher order transit
that is not
this site and the impact that we're concerned about is
that the overflow parking that'll be generated by the parking
deficiency well then use our parking and and our grounds
to park a similar concern was raised by one of
the residents who said they would park on side streets
in the area that we are the side street in
the
the the ring road ... the issue that comes from
that is that the southern portion of the ring road
that swings around south of the hospital is actually located
within our least promise it's currently a driveway for ambulances
and it's used by recovering patients for their daily exercise
it's not well traveled it's not it's it's not the
constructed for frequent traffic
... we don't support the location of the ring road
in this location and and frankly where we
it basically goes to our lease premises we we don't
we don't favor that
we have a similar concern with the infrastructure plan the
plans that we've seen show that the height that services
the development also goes through the leased premises to the
north of the hospital the construction of that piece of
infrastructure and its maintenance will certainly ... disturb ... patients
recovering patients at and possibly you know interfere with ...
surgeries so
these are legitimate concerns that we've tried to resolve with
the applicant ... we're bringing them to your attention so
that they can be considered and addressed and ... in
in the ... review process for this application and and
in any approvals that are give
thank you for your time but ... please these are
all set out in the letter and I hope you
have a chance to read it and ... thank you
very much
okay thank you thank you Robert ... I for one
of not seeing this letter
many of my colleagues senior I'm a local councillor I've
not seen the letter Deputy Mayor shaking his head is
not seen the letter where's the other
my understanding was that the hospital themselves sent in a
letter yesterday that they had a deadline of four o'clock
yesterday so I thought it would be on your agenda
actually it's not it's not in our material
plants the clerk where's the letter
the mobile care in the summer
we think it's in the primary package but we were
verifying at the moment
we just hang in there Robert this is important enough
I wanna make sure we got it
yes thank you very much I would like to know
that myself
well
Robert are you are you actually in the office it's
at your office but you're working late
are you at home that's a drop
I'm at home
alright I actually haven't been to my office for over
a year
yeah we know what that's like yes yeah
anyway you fooled me if you said you were in
the office I would have believed you
any other year but this one it would have been
true yeah I bet that Laura any luck
we saw a
our locating the documents
perhaps one of the letter is from the hospital themselves
it's not it's not a letter from me it's it's
a letter I think it's from doctor shoulders
I thank you for that are you going to twenty
one why don't you got
a letter
or in the primaries Park and she
do you actually have done that there was a lot
much all right so they're saying we've got it I
guess it's just a matter Robert have been coming in
late yesterday
so ... yeah I think you probably came man fairly
close to four o'clock girl or the other I think
they knew they had to have it in by four
o'clock
yeah right okay all right well thank the letter is
there it's confirmed it and some of the there is
that aerial photo attached to that shows what I mean
by the the leased premises like that when you look
at the ring road the problem with the ring road
is it's it's as if they were trying to put
a road for your apartment like they're they're they're putting
a piece in there in a couple of pieces of
their infrastructure to our least promise right right okay so
thank you thank you Robert reshaped you're bringing that to
our attention I'm gonna just in the interest of time
gonna move on I've got ... certainly work all right
you're welcome take care okay yeah you too Messier I
had them ahead them Messier
all right when Oriol
when are you with us
hi I'm trying to get the to you but my
phone is dying and
I hope you can hear me but I cannot show
my screen at this time okay alright when when like
if you can just hold on that's years during this
new was ahead of you so actual Magyar
my we are one of the before crime
he's yeah he's number forty one on the list yep
all right Messier over to you Sir five minutes
just give me one second
would be good if you can show your video but
I if you have if you have been talking yes
actually I just took my ... your phone out I
I I just need a lot of stuff that everyone
that they have the address thing about this development I
totally agree and ... my major issue with this developer
... I know just the blooper Maryville and daisy going
to neighbourhoods and daisy develop high rises will lower prices
and at the end of the day they don't deliver
and the qualities that they build their buildings are very
low they don't deliver to their customers ... Dave makes
so much promises and ... they make a lot of
unhappy customers but that now is that the actually this
development is coming in my neighborhood which ... I leave
for past 20 years
I just completely
disagree with this development I don't think if it's the
neighbourhood yes Sir two high ... they must go back
and if they come back with something that can fit
this neighbourhood I'd like Lohri ease ... something that can
the sought the heritage up toward you know and ...
something different than what they have in mind they have
to take this the neighbourhood into consideration they have to
take our parks and our trails into consideration that they
have to also respect the neighbourhood not their future developments
... dead developers up this the development they don't live
around this neighborhood they leave around baby on York mills
area or some other areas that they would not bill
come this type of development in their own neighborhood as
well I'm sure but ... I speak about this area
and ... if you drive around be view and steals
if you can just imagine that hi ... you know
that's about height of these buildings actually with
come out from that far away and would literally destroyed
the facade up the neighbourhood with take away on that
a lot of shape will disturb neighbourhoods backyards will take
away and ... they're all good neighbors from this the
neighbourhood and will replace them with ... newcomers in this
neighborhood which we don't want I mean is not that
I don't like diversity but I ... I would like
to see that is happening by the ... by respect
... and but not by force so at this development
will literally forced the ... a lot of residents are
up this area due to their privacy if you to
their safety you too can you so is going to
have an impact in many many ways but if they
reconsider their designed a bring
the density must be lower than the design must be
a game meet the neighbourhood demands ... I think something
can be done in the ... if everyone approved ...
the lastly I wanted just to to bring ... bird
to your attention is that ...
if you make your comparisons between this development and tried
the level of men you can see a lot in
that differences there at least tried they'll have the respect
for a dear of future development but they've received has
no respect in the neighbourhood and ... I would like
... everyone to pay attention to that and I have
them accountable and have them to re visit their plan
and ... my only request is to not allow them
to build more than eight story and ... even with
eight storey height they must make a lot of room
for ...
are there other ways of
commuting to the trails to the park and they must
compromise even with ... coming down with their heights I
have nothing else to say and thank you very much
for listening and I wish everyone good luck
Hey thank you Sir
next up is going
I Glenn sorry about that five minutes that's fine thank
you very much for allowing me to speak and ...
I I compliment you on being able to stay up
so late and job alerts you when everyone is saying
my family and I moved on to the record the
northwest side of baby when John in nineteen eighty one
John street with a quiet street has construction of houses
highrises shops and businesses has continued to grow the traffic
in the area and John street in particular has
offic has increased greatly
in twenty nineteen before the COVID situation on lock down
my time just a couple of times trying to turn
left in rush hour from baby gate arch insurance co
east on John street to Bayview it took about a
minute several times that's a long time from a residential
streets onto another residential street but it was to get
somewhere
in the early nineteen eighties are there was a request
from the citizens on the street that traffic lights being
installed at the intersection of Julia and B. E. Woodgate
and John street that was rejected because the city planners
decided that it would back up traffic into baby when
John
so
we live in a small street
there's only one entrance and exit I'm very concerned that
the increased traffic with the increased developments will cause great
difficulty in making a left turn out of our street
to go anywhere
and ... so I'm appreciating the fact that you are
considering
curtailing are greatly reducing the size and of this development
thank you
okay thank you Glenn reshape that next up is change
this Jane feel this
is Jane with us
okay Natalie Telfer
I did see Natalie's name not that long ago not
only tell for you still with us yes I am
hi okay Natalie if you could show your video and
you've got five minutes okay ... I live on ...
I was that my family moved here just after was
born and I'm back again I live most of my
life here I live bomb off the but Johnson on
double lane
... so I was happy with what the last person
spoke about about the quality of liberty development ... I
am wish that the darn hill had the highest building
standards I understand that I think it's Toronto and another
missed municipality has and I think that would bring us
things like ... like tried out tried out ... worked
with Toronto atmosphere fine to build two condos next door
to each other and ... they built that one to
forty one percent higher efficiency and not is really crucial
because it's kind of development ... use a lot of
... create a lot of greenhouse gases huge amounts and
and ... and it's it's
so important ... ... ... to fight climate change on
that they'd be as efficient as possible ... so
so if we had hired standards I think we would
get like the best kind of building I mean there's
landmark right across the road and I was there a
year ago or so and it ... it had an
award for being the best condo ... management of the
decade ... so I think you can only get that
if you've got a really good quality quality building ...
so it it lasts for ... ... very long time
and like on the other hand for the opposite situation
I was just reading about a rancher is that the
landlord doesn't care ... that her bills in the winter
or super high that they can't ... place affected Lee
in the summer ... because the tenant eight about so
if we want to preserve like
the quality of living for people and not and not
bring him out and in the world we need to
fight ... the green house gas emission
and ... and if we had higher building standards we
could have maybe some innovative builders like they did not
Vancouver they've building non
high pressure ... mid rise building they can build up
to I don't know six stories high ... using high
pressure ... would and that is on the new kind
of by idea and it ... it stores carbon right
in the woods so the building last a hundred years
because it'll be I really are um well built ...
then not then it it ... holding that carbon four
hundred years so and now I'm going to start to
repeat myself probably
so yeah ... I don't know how to how it
works that that you know that you change the building
standards but I guess it is up to you guys
... so thank you very much
bash
okay thanks Natalie appreciate your comments a Jane field us
one more time Japan are you with us to me
miss you
previously
okay that she's not in the local okay all right
members of the committee we have come to our last
step you tent and that is can Steinberg and can
if you don't know ... is the chair of the
huntsman I was bored and he's doing a wonderful job
so ... can are you still with us I hope
after that introduction there you are you better be
good to see it can your me to
I think I don't matter I thank you councillor ...
and Mister chair and ... I thank you for
for your attention and consideration of this very important matter
this evening
there's really probably not left to say and at this
point in time you will probably glad that I don't
have a lot to add because it's been it's been
a long evening I do want to point out ...
and thank all the previous speakers my ... my fellow
community members who have spoken so thoughtfully ...
convincingly they are with their arguments well articulated wealth out
out ...
and and their arguments were really very compelling
there was talk about gridlock and ... somebody yelling at
me
there was talk about gridlock there already is plenty of
gridlock and and I'm sure you're already aware of that
I
what I was but I'm pleased about is through all
the presentations I didn't you're really any
growth and development and that's a really important thing to
note that
I think the community understands welcomes and supports growth and
development and Markham is enjoying unprecedented growth and development right
now with the blank staff development coming about ... Rivera
with that the traditional ...
towers there's an application that says presently being considered for
the Thornhill square redevelopment so it's really a wonderful time
my concern is that these things should be looked at
within the context of a and B. should be considered
in relation to one another not individually so tonight we
speak about one particular development and and we're looking at
at the details concerning this project but as one of
the former speakers ... indicated and and I think I
jot down the words correctly they said our current and
future plans need to be considered together and I think
that's really really important
the ... again I have to go back to the
official plan but in in that ... is section eight
where there's discussion about land use the talk is about
use around areas where there is sufficient infrastructure and transit
and I think that that I also want to point
out that when we
look at the greater Toronto area and give
what's the thought about
what major arteries north south arteries have buildings that are
the height of the one or ones that that are
being considered here really I I can only think about
construction around the ... don mills and
this is don mills and Sheppard area which is really
a whole block allocated towards highrise development so the the
question that comes to my mind is is that one
of the considerations for this particular intersection being John
intersections is going to be a high rise development
because
that seems to be what is happening on
we all understand that there's fear of the unknown people
are resistant to change I don't hear a great resistance
to change and I encourage the committee to
the brace that embrace the willingness of the community members
to themselves embrace change but to tread carefully into in
a way which creates mutual satisfaction at benefits everyone
as we move forward thank you very much for your
time I appreciate your consideration
alright thank you again and thanks for staying to the
near near the end so ... we appreciate that too
all right another return to members of the committee and
I have a speakers list first up is Deputy Mayor
Hamilton
thank you Mr chairman so I just wanted to know
Mr chairman and not through you but to you I
wonder if you can tell me or maybe we have
to refer ask for staff what happened to our request
for a more comprehensive planning exercise for this area that
would incorporate that Thornhill square proposed development a redevelopment I
should say and the shoulder ice and incorporate also what
currently exists and what's coming pretty soon I eat a
landmark and the tried L. buildings
it term it was ... it was referring to at
council last Tuesday to staff for further analysis
yes my thought is that we should be moving ahead
on sorry
clause by clause remember was quite lengthy okay and I
shared I chaired that portion actually was a councillor Deacy
now it was Deacy
or I I assume that wait a minute now
Mr Mayor money
it was hammer ours Elton because you second the motion
there were three that's right there were three motions ...
the Deputy Mayor actual that's the one yeah okay ...
yeah
anyway I I you know
to consider this now without that comprehensive look
... I don't think it's right Mr chairman so you
know I don't really like either the options of we're
we're being afforded tonight but I'll see what you have
to say is the local councillor
I can tell you that regional councillor Jones and I
met with the planning staff on January seventh of this
year and had this very discussion yeah and ask staff
as a position on this ... so it is easier
was at the meeting at rhomb Lake can correct and
the restaurant I don't know if you're prepared to share
that the and what do you want I know I
know I put you on the spot service ... why
don't you share it it's more less to along the
lines of about two months ago I made the case
or at least I I reached out to the planners
and asked for a comprehensive traffic study at least in
the neighbourhood and they they have a similar position as
they had with regional council Jones tonight on January seventh
round you want to share that
through you Mr juror mom
I guess there's a
a couple of ... couple of issues ... in terms
of the transportation study I think we have staff agree
that the transportation impacts from this development and from the
other applications that are being proposed in the area do
need to be looked at comprehensively and we're we fully
support that I think the question is how do you
actually achieve a comprehensive review and there's a number of
different ways that that can be
through our ... you know separate standalone independent study it
can also be achieved through ... the traffic studies that
are being prepared and being reviewed right now by staff
... and
by the
I guess the comments in the ... terms of reference
that staff will be looking for in those studies that
look at a full accounting background study background traffic the
full accounting of the other development applications that are being
proposed in the area and a full accounting of the
future implications so I I think from you know from
that standpoint whether or not this is a completely independent
third party study or whether it's ... ... thoroughly reviewed
comprehensive traffic study that's been prepared by the individual ...
applicant ... I think it can achieve the same goals
the traffic studies are being prepared by ... competent professionals
and ... they are being thoroughly reviewed by staff
so Mister chairman art it through you to run are
they looking at different scenarios because along with the transportation
and they're all intertwined it's sort of a chicken and
egg thing ... you got the building heights which which
impact the densities or the density impacts the building heights
and the transit options ... which we talked about you
know many of the residents talk about that tonight the
higher order transit options that are open
all these things filter into one another and so as
long as the the professional transportation person is looking at
you know different scenarios you know if we give you
this much density this is going to be the effect
on the transportation or if we give you this much
density then you know this is going to be the
effect right and and you know what's happening with the
higher order transit are can we expect any you know
and so on
through you Mr chairman ... the scenarios being examined artists
in areas that are being proposed by the applicant and
in many ways the worst case scenario speakers the density
of the running yes I'm going to go any higher
than what's being proposed right now so if you can
make it work and I'm not saying you can on
your phone bills I'm not we now have been finished
yet you make it work and ... that is the
worst case scenario arm the other thing too is that
these traffic impact studies normally look at all the traffic
obviously but they're looking at transit you're looking at proposed
improvements and they're also looking at ... are not you
know nontraditional forms of transit like biking and walking you
know how those particular ... molds can also help in
the area but mentally it's not a highly urban areas
and that's been have lasted much of an impact Wednesday
over young street most of those those are certain service
well
okay that's all I have for now Mister chairman thank
you Hey baby ... if we may yet if I
may on the same topic ... I'd like regional cancer
Jones two two way and because what is essentially is
motion the one that said that I'd seconded and that's
been referred to staff for further study and analysis is
envisioning a higher order transit network servicing this part of
Thornhill which
naturally begs
increased density and more people to use that I order
transit Jim did you did you want to add anything
to that because I I know you've been you've been
at this for at least seven years so overview
thank you what I was looking for as a holistic
comprehensive study and how at all buildings involved what you're
trying to do relate to each other
and like ... the redoing of Thornhill square just making
sure that you had the right road patterns six Sentra
and then how you could we've been
show based and also your planning the the ... the
low rise ... Clement areas there re purposing that Kenny
and and the goal is to get a transit station
there our goal transit station
and so that that that's what the goal is and
and ... the other thing I had in there because
I know that for example the future of go stations
are going to have minimal parking is to maybe do
a studies but the study could be done in Markham
center of Thomas vehicles to get people within a five
hundred or a thousand meter of the station to the
station but also to shopping and things like that so
try to look at the future
and ... and try to make this a transit oriented
community
that's our goal
okay thank you regional campuses John next sorry Mr teacher
sorry Justin ... Jack not that the regional council Jones
needs my help but just just to be clear because
people have different definitions yeah I think what he meant
to say was a goal train station ... and so
when they say goal goal still tracked local transit's station
and I just wanna make sure people are clear as
to what your objectives the was yes yeah yeah okay
thank you
regional councillor 8
well thank you and I think it's quite late there
Mister chair so be very quick ... I think several
of the speakers ... hit bang on ... and that
I thought they all were actually and they just really
all sorts of great ideas and ... it lots of
consideration I congratulate to all your residents Mister chair there
and I think they were coached all by you are
because they really did a good job ... ... anyways
I think we should be looking at something like an
interim control bylaw something that says stop
this kind of these independent developments that don't relate to
each other we've got tried L. which is yet to
break ground with the two of buildings just to the
north we've got the the one over formula square which
we still we're going to have a public meeting sometime
in in the fall I assume we got this one
which is turned out to be phase one we got
other opportunities right in the area ... that could happen
and then we got Langstaff all of about a quarter
and a half nor and I have no idea Mr
chair what's your Richmond hill is thinking all north of
the floral seven
all the way up but who knows how far up
it could be ... it are they have developments to
the east over near the borough court ... so I
just think we need some ... something that stops this
process for a year or two we need a ...
a secondary plan committee like we have over market center
... and we probably have you have to find a
way to do an independent transportation study
I have limited confidence ... I've never forgotten and I
tell the story often the only time I've ever heard
a transportation consultant in twenty three years say it won't
work this development will not work
I eat the person who's paying me I don't think
it'll work was Buttonville that's the only time all the
others instead they'll find a lot of work for them
the bear you shouldn't in infrastructure that'll be in place
will work
hi Joe Arron Blake wherever you are I want an
independent one I don't want to take studies that I've
that have been proven that will prove that it'll work
I want us to do one of our own
so an internal control bylaw our own transportation study and
a subcommittee with maybe an updating of the secondary plan
that's the only way through this or else what we
do is basically we Marshall stack cars and Bayview and
John ... so that you know you you comment take
on a little thing like your COVID nineteen shot and
you get your chance at the intersection and a half
an hour
I've been there and I'm not that often because in
the last year so I've been confined ... near Nightline
I was seven but I didn't earn injured in ...
in Russia are once and I think some of us
have been the only ones that is my rush hours
are on highway seven near forty eight main street market
so ... but ... I'll tell you I think those
are the only ouch you're going to be aggressive we
ought not to sit back and just say okay we'll
let it happen no we do we take it we
take the control are on hand to do it and
those are the three things I recommend ... that we
do right now or we do let us say in
the next at two or three weeks or whatever ...
and get off and get on with this ... or
else will drift into it accepting pretty close to all
of this
when I have one more comment ... the gentleman from
shoulder ice ... the lawyer was it was quite interesting
and I I can't wait to read this letter I've
not read the letter my apology ... the course rolled
ice is the one who is ... you know I'm
sympathetic they're a great hospital I've never used them but
I know others there's you have ... and they've been
they've done a great job which rolled ice is the
one who issued ... are either sold the property or
or a long term lease to the applicant ... and
... and now is complaining about some of the other
problems ... so I'm hoping that there if they can
work out their issues with them ... and the third
I guess one more I've been here while we are
improve the Thornhill community center three times three projects major
million dollar projects that are now community center this one
means number four five and six extra probably in in
that in our future ... and the merits been here
when we've done all that work and then he'd been
there when we got the ribbons and they were really
important I think I can name them exactly it was
done the committee for the mall for those things I'm
glad that we have a very good active committee now
but I remember the senior centre in all the work
we get there and he would remember we discovered at
one point Mr decks that all my god there's a
... there's some infrastructure under the building we didn't even
unknown up which crosses at half a million all over
if I'm not mistaken something like that anyway thank you
regional cancer if I must ask are you tired
because you were on fire your lawyer Sir
thirty at night it in your eyes I'd seldom seen
news so robust
and you're doing a good job Mr Jericho carry on
all right next up is Mayor Scarpitti
well thank you Mr chair I will say to very
good presentation set tonight and ... I'm glad you're able
to ... certainly give ... you know that it knowledge
meant to throw throughout the evening
... so you know I think I I don't want
to go into all the details because it is it
is late but ... I think Mister chair let's let's
just ... I heard a bit of a pausing to
pause right now is let's just go back and I
is I much as I appreciate stop or are doing
what they do and that's process applications and I think
... it was pretty obvious ... it tonight that this
is a proposal that we have and and I think
there might have been some knowledge by many that ...
proposals come in ... almost everyday to the city and
we have to evaluate them and and consider them and
and ... certain contacts them so I appreciate the fact
that people have realized you know sort of how the
process so how the process works and I think that
was almost inherent in recognizing that with all the comments
a very very good comments ... both the concerns are
great comments about the connectivity to the open space and
I'm not gonna go back and look for all the
names but the one suggestion about well if you're gonna
have a connection through this development get a public easement
so that it's ... it's part of the public property
are going through this area to connect to the open
space ... the impacts ... to the ... adjoining neighbors
certainly traffic hi ... and again I don't wanna sound
like we can go through some of the points made
tonight I think we ... and rightly so ... gave
every speaker there moment and rather than clarify or ask
questions almost every speaker ... in trying to get to
a timely fashion this allowed everyone to to speak but
I think it does ... beg the question and it
was a small point but even the point about the
people cutting through landmark and people not recognizing there's already
been a solution for for that particular
the issue I think speaks to the fact that we
still have to share quite a bit of information it's
not higher order transit by any stretch of the imagination
but you know they're whether with see the widening of
Bayview there is an HOV lane wait the reason the
HOV lane as there is in fact to make transit
more competitive with us some of the gridlock that that
the community faces not just in part help by the
way but not everywhere in the GTA so I think
... the pauses let's just go back let's let's think
about how we move forward ... there's been a suggestion
I think ...
we we take
we have to think about what our next steps are
going to be a you know it's interesting everything is
relative and I heard quite a few people this evening
comment positively about the redevelopment of support elsewhere which ...
I guess was interesting to kinda here well there was
a reasonableness and approach to the redevelopment that we've got
in front of us there and this is going back
many years ago but when we're dealing with the landmark
... you know we we had ... even more people
that showed up tonight saying that if landmark ever got
approved it was going to destroy torn hell and ...
you know we had that development there ... it's fit
in ... as one of the speakers ... spoke about
the fact that it's it's been well managed and they've
won awards for that and I and I also wanted
to reiterate there's a lot of things that that have
been brought up in relation to heritage preservation and sustainability
... a number of points products at this evening that
I think we as the city of Markham either have
a track record or certainly ... there's more of the
process to be undertaken that this is not the end
of the process this is really in many respects the
beginning of the process and there is still a lot
more work to do so I would just say it's
for the purpose of this evening the community's been loud
and clear the the the points were well articulated and
... let us go back and think about how we
move forward with you as the the local councillor working
with ... the developer taking into account that I think
there's probably gonna be a layering of this ... because
unfortunately the planning process also to some degree ... forces
our hand to be able to respond to applications that
being said I think there's many points
so the community of made and we've already heard from
members of council that there needs to be and if
it's not in totality in other words the admission of
the new and and regional council Jones moved ... about
a week ago or so that's a very comprehensive perhaps
a bit more longer term thought about what should happen
in the area in the meantime though I think there
are elements like traffic and perhaps relationships and perhaps when
we take a look and by the way it may
not necessarily be it may not necessarily be a bad
thing that there isn't park land on the shoulders property
and maybe that there isn't enough park land on the
redevelopment of Thornhill square property but when you combine what
they have to give to the municipality maybe we can
develop ... further park land as as part of the
community so these are the where I say I think
we can take elements of what's happening in the area
thanks things through a little bit more comprehensively than just
dealing with one application it's generally done but I think
we have to take this up several levels and and
really do it and and not necessarily because I I'm
not sure we're gonna have the luxury of waiting with
the process that that you regional council Jones asked us
to do in a in a broader sense and with
the objective of ultimately getting a goal
Raymond station there which may or may not happen so
anything we we think about in the future would have
to be tied in with that actually happening because you
don't want to embark on something that the won't come
about but in the meantime I think those elements that
we can combine and be more comprehensive so I'm gonna
move we receive all the deputations ... is lets us
talk about this a little bit more and and we'll
move forward and and a commitment will be I'll make
it right now and I say it with confidence ...
with all members of council we will not be dealing
with these applications in isolation they may not be subject
to an overall comprehensive plan as I said the planning
process may not give us the luxury of time to
do that but there will be traffic park land dedication
... the issue of capacity of recreational facilities I think
I think those are the types of things that we
don't have to say well you know let's deal with
them individually know there's enough property here but there's aspects
of this that we can come together on and develop
... a response and a strategy in what applicants have
come in to us asking for so I'll move that
they be received and that ... you know obviously this
be referred back to stop but in that will get
back to the community with the developing a process that
allows us to deal with the applications and deal with
many of the issues they raised tonight I you know
will work out them and then say that will take
a comprehensive approach in response to the applications that we
perceived as well
Hey ... I think that thank you so moved by
... moved by mayor Scarpitti seconded by regional councillor Keith
I still love regional council Jones on the speakers list
over to you Sir yes thank you Mr chair ...
yeah but I think what we gotta do here Mister
chair is an and I've created a fifteen sixteen page
document it's only ten points of the lot of reading
but I've been looking at the Vancouver system and both
the Canada we explore the millennium line and how they're
doing transit oriented communities and that's what I'd like when
I put this document together I took both positions hi
and then also I took a
and people that are against by but I think the
issue here is ... is it is it the institutional
height towards the issues design and I think the issue
here is minimum design and how integrated all together and
Mister chair I'd like this to try to make this
station a model of TOC because this by itself will
not solve our transit or transit problems but I think
I think somebody said earlier that we have to work
with Richmond hill on this line to see what they're
gonna do and some of their transit orientated community and
the potential and also we have to work with the
city across
and and the goal it on this station here what
do you have a retail so that it is accessible
by everybody needs to be a teacher get some office
and and residential and an integrated in and that and
also make this a destination every station that we plan
from here on in should become destinations right now the
Richmond hill goal line does ten thousand wall before Colbert
did ten thousand riders today I'd like to see by
twenty fifty one that this line those three hundred thousand
passengers okay so that's the serious type of planning we
gotta do to make transit work and the motion that
I tabled with your seconded Mr chair it was also
revealed by Metrolinx so Metrolinx is aware that we're trying
to do this I also know the big problem we
have with transit here is the diamond and that's substantial
dollars to fix that but ... I I'd like I
didn't go out to try to slow down timber creek
the September creek or show vice or try dell or
anybody else but I think what we gotta do this
we've us all in together maybe there are some retrofitting
done for the community center there yeah but the thing
is that we got a look at all that stuff
and make it a great place and the
I I look forward to doing this type of planning
and ... and I enjoyed all the comments and ...
I had a meeting a couple weeks ago Mister chair
with the Eileen ratepayers under zoom gonna Friday night and
they're they're they seem to be located in the like
to do this but the planning act I think the
faster we can get on the list the greater and
and and the drop in the thing that I put
in the other day I think staff misinterpreted my circles
wasn't my intent wasn't necessary to a secondary band my
circles was how far do I go out with a
times vehicles okay do I go five hundred meters and
try to get you in the regular thousand meters by
go two thousand I'm on the other side of the
ball seven I don't want to do that but anyways
... I will enjoy the evening and there's a lot
of challenges here but I think we have a great
opportunity to have a great stuff and great job so
I look forward to working on that
okay thank you next up is councillor cheese
yes thank you Mr chairman I know what it it
has been a long evening so I'll keep my remarks
brief and I just wanna touch on something that the
regional council Jones just said I think it's important
for us to all keep in mind and that is
... I do have I do have confidence and faith
in in ... in ... the city of Markham in
the staff of the City of mark when we look
at growth and growth is one of the greatest challenges
I think we all have here Oct council in terms
of how we manage it where we put it and
and many of the concerns that we heard this evening
we're related to ... capacity will the capacity of recreation
facilities the libraries at Setra be maintained as growth happens
I do want to say that I am confident that
that that's a process that I think we do we're
we're we're doing our best at and I think that
... the growth that is inevitably going to be coming
across the city and including Thornhill to certain degree will
support that ... infrastructure and I think councillor are regional
cancer Jones was just touching on that terms of
of of how we planned it where we put it
and and I think this is one of the sites
that that is very unique in in that again the
natural heritage the be ... ... the the historical heritage
and and I have to say that even though it's
it's quite far from my ward when I when I
initially saw the drawings and I saw the plans I
thought that the ...
the treatment of the site was fairly respectful of of
...
until of the land if you will and and again
I know that we talk about shuttle studies somewhat there
there are gonna be shadowing issues I think we got
a lot of work to do no question about height
... and specifics but ... generally I I think ...
my my position and I deal with this as well
in my ward is ... as a council we do
have to figure out how we manage growth and ...
maintain the services and and infrastructure and and certainly ...
ensure that the residences that are existing are are are
well taken care of so I just want to leave
it I'll leave it at that say that ... we
got a ways to go on this on this proposal
but ... I am grateful for hearing from from the
public today and certainly look forward to seeing this thing
up through thanks very much
all right thank you cancer keys
no one else on the list
so we do have a motion on the floor moved
by the Mayor seconded by regional council he
all in favor Mr chairman are you gonna make any
comments is the local councillor
before we vote or no no okay
no
nope the community the community knows where I stand
those
does does that have reached out to their local councillor
those that have wanted to meet with their local councillor
those community groups and there are several and we've heard
from many of them tonight not all that we heard
from tonight but many know my position
so you would you show courtesy towards the local councillor
and invite him and asked for his views and have
a robust discussion it's amazing what you're learn
so the people who know know
all in favor
a post
one of post
okay
moved to adjourn moved to adjourn moved by regional councillor
Jones seconded by the Deputy Mayor all in favor
opposed that scared thank you and good night everyone one
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