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I woke Muskoka ... good on my end yeah we're

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streaming now Mr chairman

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okay or

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good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's development services statutory

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public meeting

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I'm Keith Irish the ward one councillor for the city

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of Markham vice chair of the city's development services committee

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and chair of its statutory public meetings

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I want to extend a warm welcome on a beautiful

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June evening to those that are joining us my colleagues

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and I know you're giving up of your time this

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evening and we appreciated as to the applicants and staff

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from the city of Markham

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under the authority of bill one ninety seven and the

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city's procedural by law and in consideration of the advice

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of public health authorities this meeting is being conducted electronically

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before we begin the development services public meeting there are

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a few housekeeping matters that I need to address

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this is a statutory public meeting being held pursuant to

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the planning act with respect to the two items before

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us tonight

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the purpose of this meeting is to receive feedback from

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members of the public on the proposals submitted

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no decision has been made on these applications any final

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decision will not be made tonight

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please note that a person or public body must make

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an oral or written submissions to the City before a

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decision is made if they wish to have status in

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the event that the application is appealed to the local

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planning appeal tribunal or L. Pat

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I think members of committee of enough experience working with

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this format and with me is there chair

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excuse me I'm just counting a few technical problems there

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my apologies

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excuse me I think I'm I think members of committee

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of enough experience working with this format and me is

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there chair that'll just quickly remind everyone

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that if you'd like to speak to let the clerk

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know using the chat function and please keep your microphone

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muted when you're not addressing the committee

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although we are gathering remotely all of our proceedings remain

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open to the public as always tonight's meeting is being

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live streamed on the city's website Markham dot CA we

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also welcome and encourage participation by members of the public

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on this point members of the public can participate in

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tonight's meeting by written submission to clerks public at Markham

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dot CA or by making a life deputation to the

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committee using zoom or your telephone

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if you would like to speak of tonight's meeting please

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contact the city clerk's office at the email or phone

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number that appears at the bottom of the public live

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stream and I get that again is clerks public at

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Markham dot CA or nine oh five four seven nine

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seven seven six zero staff are standing by and will

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provide those requesting to join with the information to access

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the video conference

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I will call for deputations after staff and the applicants

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have made their presentations and Alaska each to keep them

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to ten minutes or less I will pause periodically throughout

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the meeting to allow members of the public to reach

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out and join us if they'd like to

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I will now now ask our director of planning actually

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I think it's our senior development manager Ron Blake who

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I saw a little earlier to introduce themselves and the

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city staff who are with us tonight run over to

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you

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thank you Mr chairman I name is Ron Blake and

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senior manager of development and ... the planning department in

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the city of Markham and with me tonight for the

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first item is ... Dimitri pack rat us the senior

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planner with the city of Markham who will be presenting

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from ... the city standpoint on the proposed application for

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a auto repair and body shop on toward pre road

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as well Stephen Lew who is the manager of the

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Central District is also present and for the second item

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Rick Cefaratti is who is a senior planner with the

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city of Markham he's the file planner for the shoulder

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I saw ... hospital application redevelopment by liberty developments and

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... Stephen Kinnock I'll lie is the ... manager of

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the west district who is also in attendance

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okay thank you Ron I'm also going to take advantage

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of the fact that I have everyone's attention here at

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the beginning of the meeting and thank those members of

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the clerk's department that are supporting us right for all

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that they do that would be Martha Pettit tennis whether

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... Mary Jane quit Chesney and lower goal so with

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that let's begin on call upon the clerk to do

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a roll call of members Laura already

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thank you Mr chair I will now start the will

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call

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mayor Frank Scarpitti

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I'm here

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Deputy Mayor gone

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good evening president

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our regional councillor Jackie

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I'm here

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regional councillor Joe Li crescent

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regional councillor Jim Jones president

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councillor Keith Irish

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councillor Alan Ho

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sends

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councillor Reid McAlpine here

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councillor Karen rait presents

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councillor Andrew looking

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councillor Amanda Collucci

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councillor calendars men

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councillor following

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I have not completed the roll call and I and

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you may proceed to start the meeting

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right thank you Lauren I'll now ask the clerk to

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confirm the Mandarin date upon which notice of this meeting

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was provided

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thank you Mr chair for the first item for Wayne

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Canada thank you to all five four of the road

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there were thirty nine notices mailed on may twenty sixth

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two thousand and twenty one and the public meeting farmers

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posted on may twenty fifth two thousand and twenty one

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well ... and it was also confirmed on that particular

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day there was no written submissions

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right on thank you Mr

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okay thank you Laura so run Dimitri over to you

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thank you Mr chair ... Dimitri up her gratis who

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is the father planner on this application has a presentation

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and the after Dimitri the applicant is also available for

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presentation as well

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so Dimitri you can begin

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okay great hi everybody

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once again

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I will concede us

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good evening Mr chairman committee members and members of the

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public my name is to meet for gratis I am

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a senior planner with the city's planning and urban design

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department and the purpose of Plains public meeting is to

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discuss application submitted by wings Canada ink One official plan

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and zoning bylaw amendment to prevent an automotive service building

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and body shop development at two five towards the road

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we note that there's also a concurrent site plan application

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under review for this proposal as well let's begin with

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the area context

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subject lands as outlined in red

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approximately two point zero nine hectares in size are located

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on the west west of the intersection of Torbay road

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and Victoria Park Avenue missling illness to five Tory rode

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subject lands came in existing one story ... multi unit

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industrial mixed use office warehouse building with an FSA of

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with the G. a fair cross for area of eight

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thousand seven hundred eighty two square meters

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surrounding land uses include to the north toward the road

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and industrial uses to the east industrial uses as well

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as Norodom calling or through a dealership the future wins

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... Office nexus three dollar dealership parking area

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to the south don mills channel watercourse along with commercial

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office uses an existing dealership of Donnelly north Lexus

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and to the to the what ... to the ...

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to the status of west it is office uses gas

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station parking lots an existing commercial and office uses as

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well including Woodbine Avenue and Steeles Avenue to the south

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moving on to the current proposal

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the owner proposes to demolish half of the west portion

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of the existing commercial building on the subject lands to

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construct two story automotive service building and body shop development

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with a gross floor area of three thousand three hundred

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thirty three square meters

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this will include thirty one vehicular parking stalls for automotive

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repair and servicing the parts department office storage and berries

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employee ploy amenities they're also hundred ninety six surface parking

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spaces proposed on site

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the owner proposes vehicular access on the subject lands on

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to five toward the road as shown here

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and from the lands the salsa don valley north Lexus

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of thirty one twenty skills Avenue a shown here

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the proposed development would provide an additional service to other

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regions automotive sales and service facilities within this vicinity

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during this first submission review the owner requested to change

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their current proposed current development tools will submission for automotive

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service building used by adding and body shop development use

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on the subject the site as well as we'd like

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to know further details on the proposals was contemplated updates

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will be provided in the applicant's presentational

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moving on to the political planning policies and application requirements

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the subject lands are designated employment area and green way

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in the twenty fourteen official plan general employment permits maximum

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heights of two stories to common industrial warehousing activities at

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work such free office space automotive services ... uses are

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not permitted on general employment designations however body shop uses

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are permitted as a discretionary land use which requires a

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review of site specific development application our policies on the

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zoning approval to look at building conformity traffic impractical greenest

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meeting specific design designation policies land use compatibility impact mitigation

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measures and specific use provisions such as excess realtor display

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storage and sense of land use provisions of the owner's

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top submitted and Tricia planning them an application from at

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the proposed development

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within the green way designation or the dawn news channel

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so she'd flood plain any new development would require an

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appropriate set back from the environmental buffer which which will

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determine which will be determined consultation with cities natural heritage

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stop and your CA

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required zoning bylaw amendment of the subject lands under by

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law wanna wait eighty one as amended which sells the

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subject lands are M. or select industrial all the zoning

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category ...

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permits a range of industrial uses however does not permit

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the proposed development prohibits repair of ... of ... repair

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and servicing of the internal combustion engines and motor vehicles

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and some of the uses your submitted as owning bottle

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lemon application to permit the proposed development in this case

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in terms of outstanding I'd concerns of our items under

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review and next steps the following have been identified and

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have been updated to consider the added auto body use

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city stopper examining the proposal for matters including but not

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limited to discretionary land use policies including lands compatibility of

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Development compatibility with surrounding uses and including the TRC screenings

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all matters as identified before

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city staff are also assessing the application for site plan

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matters such as building interface compatibility design landscape design and

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vehicular put up industrial access matters

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other items and ... reviews under under other items under

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review next steps to continue all the city bus stop

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will examine transportation traffic influx of the city walls review

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technical studies submitted in support of the application and the

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next step in the planning process includes a consideration the

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recommendation report by development service committee and in the event

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of approval and adoption of the city's a specific official

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plan amendment and an act of the zoning bylaw by

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council the endorsement associated ... a contract and by council

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endorsement of the social a site plan application would follow

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... this concludes my presentation researcher ... I believe Nicolette

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G. is here from ... and I miss each and

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his also occurred presentation on behalf of the owner thank

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you very much

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Hey thanks to meet 3 net 40 of

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thank you Mr chair and members of council hi my

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name is Nick Pelagian I'm a planner with macaulay show

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me house and also wanted to note that ... one

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of my partners Lorelei Jones is also here this evening

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I ... unfortunate scheduling issue where I have to public

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meetings in two different units apologies from the same desk

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this evening so hopefully I finish this one in time

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to catch the next one in ... instill ... but

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... Lorelei may end you to assist me with questions

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if ... if I do have to leave so she

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had her being here and I appreciate the your indulgence

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so thanks to Dimitri producing a really good job of

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showing the context of the site as he mentioned ...

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the site is accessed off of ... Torme road which

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is largely an industrial area and have some service commercial

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uses surrounding it

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the proposal is to demolish the western half of the

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building ... the devising line ... is left over there

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... and construct motor vehicle sales absurd motor vehicle repair

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facility in body shop in its place in the new

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facility with thirty one base this gives you ... the

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floor plan showing the thirty one days on it the

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little ... instead area at the top is the ...

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mezzanine area which makes it a two story building there's

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some other minor ... tire repair parts the facilities are

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small collaboration area on the right

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... and the the main change in terms of the

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body shop ... that came forward was with regards to

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... Wayne's Canada has three or four dealerships in the

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area ... don valley north Lexus Don valley Toyota in

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the Hyundai dealership and they have a mobile I'll ...

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body shop repair ...

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company that goes from site to site and sometimes ends

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up outside so what they determine those that they will

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take some of these ... these days and make them

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specific body shop

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based

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these are the proposed elevations and that I just put

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them up there to show you that the building does

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look like ... I typical industrial building it's not a

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number of garage doors ... you know basically their cars

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will be shuttled in from one end of the building

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park and then come out on the other end of

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the basically the building itself looks like an industrial building

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would look in an area

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and I mentioned the other ... weeds properties in the

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area ... Donna Eleanor flexes stumbling or Toyota and then

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in read the ... future head office site ... which

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you're just getting ready to start construction on

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... and they also on the Hyundai dealership on Woodbine

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just south of the floral seven so all of these

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facilities will shuttle vehicles already here the public will not

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come to this site they will continue to go to

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their ... original ... dealership and then ... the technicians

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will bring the cars over here for the surplus capacity

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it's gonna be created here through through this application

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so just to go through the discretionary policies in the

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official plan ... you can see that a discretionary uses

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permitted in the general employment area for me motor vehicle

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body shop and repair facility we're not proposing any outdoor

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storage ... so we have made the change to include

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the body shop along with that repair facility we believe

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an official plan releases longer necessary but certainly if ...

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if stop wanna approved or go ahead with no P.

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M. M. as well then ... we don't really think

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... there's ... there's a need to anymore but ...

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it it certainly can go ahead as well we do

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one one or the other

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so ... as Dimitri mentioned ... winds has submitted a

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site plan application ... and we continue to work with

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staff on site plan related matters ... I do agree

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with Dimitri that there are a number of matters related

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to site plan to continue to to ... for us

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to work on

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... again it's our submission that OP relief is no

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longer necessary and that the proposal is for permitted discretionary

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use in the official plan

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... the site is internal to an employment area and

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in our view has no impact on the adjacent uses

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... the traffic study that we submitted ... generally shows

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work we're actually removing square footage here so we don't

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think ... the P. traffic ... is actually lessened

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... the proposed vehicle repair and body shop is located

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within a holding flows building I showed you the elevations

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which show the roll up doors only three roll up

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doors at the rear of the site so we're not

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looking at thirty at a different pace so I I

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do think ... Mr cheer through you to council members

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that this is a final P. as owning bylaw that

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can proceed directly to council I believe that the matters

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... that need to be resolves ... through working with

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staff in terms of design and so on and so

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forth can certainly be done at the ...

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at the site plan process level and we're committed to

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continuing to do that ... I think Wayne's as a

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good corporate citizen in Markham ... has a lot of

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business going on here and certainly ... this would help

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expedite the application will be through the process of those

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are my submissions Mister chair thank you very much for

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your time this evening

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Hey thank you neck I have no doubt the tents

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that is no members of the public that it registered

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to speak on this item so I will move straight

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to members of the committee first up is Deputy Mayor

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Hamilton

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yes thank you Mister chairman I'll try to be brief

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...

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I was going to move that that ... on page

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six of our agenda the bottom a resolution but based

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on what next legs you have to say that there

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still are site plan issues outstanding and although he and

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and although he believes an official plan amendment is not

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either ... I'd like to ask our staff ... which

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they feel is the more appropriate for a resolution to

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move whether it's page six the top resolution which is

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a refer back to staff for a recommendation report or

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whether we can move this on ... as per the

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bottom resolution on page six

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but I I do agree with neck that Wayne's is

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a great corporate citizen ... they run a great business

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there're a very professional

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and ... so I'm sort of be talks between so

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I wonder either wrong or maybe ... Dimitri

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let me know which one they prefer is even known

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Nick does prefer one he's the he's the client he's

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not the staff

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run your muted Sir

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my apologies

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through you Mr chair

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since our we need to review the site plan and

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we there's some discussion outstanding as well about the need

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for an official plan amendment ... my recommendation would be

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good to go back to staff ... with the report

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and ... bring that report forward so that we can

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discuss these ... these issues more

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okay Mister chairman that's what I I'd be happy to

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move when the time is right thank you all take

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a second or now Deputy Mayor Hamilton moved by the

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Deputy Mayor that recommendations seconded by councillor Lee

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next up is read this ... sorry Deputy Mayor we've

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done yes Sir thank you

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regional council he

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thank you Mr chair and ... both for good presentations

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I noticed in the staff presentation ... Mister chair there's

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reference to the need for a transportation study are my

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reading I maybe and this is where I would love

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that to be corrected is that nobody's driving directly to

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it the only transportation impact will be from this location

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true greens other locations down the street or at the

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end of the block ... then really there's no cars

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even going out on to add Tor bay are there

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on to our make know unto a larger arterials it's

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just in in it just between the various Wiens buildings

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are is that is that the correct

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that's my understanding but

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H. we do want to take that

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it was my understanding that there was some sort of

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that that there was traffic concern ... I believe there

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is a I'm not sure whether there's action number transportation

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stuff here but ... even Steven look looks he's going

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to come to your rescue years

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through you Mr Jeremiah you're standing water transportation our study

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is not needed there's a transportation pre McCain are there

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won't be any traffic impacts from this

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okay

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and knowing how this thing works ... ... I thought

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that too I didn't see any need for transportation study

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actually ... you know a paragraph or two but I

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didn't think it study was needed thank you

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our to get some air time there Steven your gonna

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concur

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ghetto

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Mister chair all right wonderful next steps mayors carpeting Mr

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Mayor

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wires to late I was trying to this to say

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maybe we could keep our comments brief and back in

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on to the next item because you have quite a

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number of deputations so I think if there's no one

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else ... I guess you can call the question the

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structure

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it will indeed

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all in favor of the motion on the floor

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opposed

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that's carried wonderful all right we'll move on to the

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next item

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and I'll ask the clerk to confirm the manner date

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upon which notice of this meeting was provided Laura overdue

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you

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what

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well for the item seven five seven seven five believe

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you Avenue then in partnership there was one thousand one

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hundred and fifty

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mark on may twenty sixth two thousand and one and

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one of the public meeting fine with posted on may

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twentieth two thousand and twenty one there were two hundred

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and fifty five written submissions on

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all in all

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all right thank you Laura run over for the introductions

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thank you Mr chair of this application is for a

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... high density residential redevelopment on not ... the shoulders

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hospital site at seven seven five oh baby l'avenue Rick

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Cefaratti is the file planner ... who is handling this

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application he has a presentation are on the overall context

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and ... after ... Rick Cefaratti has done his presentation

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David McKay has who is the planning consultant out working

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for the applicant also has a presentation on the detailed

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proposal

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recklezz recovered you you're still muted back

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just so you know

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and we can see your slides

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thank you Mr our

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welcome

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thank you ... and members of committee the purpose of

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this presentation is to provide an overview

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by the area contacts and planning and regulatory framework ...

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as Ron mentioned

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for the proposal to permit the highrise residential development on

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the show this property

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and to receive input from the committee and members of

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the public so that ... informed recommendation on the proposal

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can be provided at a later date

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and as Ron mentioned David Makai from MHP MHC binding

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is also in attendance for presentation

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the show nice property is approximately nine hectares in size

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which is about twenty two acres and it's located on

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the west side of Bayview Avenue

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the ladies golf club of Toronto is located immediately to

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the north

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to the south of the property is the Glenwood ...

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seniors facility

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and some low rise residential development

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a cross beat you Avenue to the east R. three

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high rise towers which are the landmark towers of Thornhill

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the fire station

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and the foreign health community center

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over to the west across the valley is Pomona mills

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park and some more low rise residential

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the subject lands contain several call cultural heritage resources

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including the McCollum the state house which forms part of

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the show based hospital itself a a a a gatehouse

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and stables adjacent to Bayview Avenue

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formal gardens

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stone gates and pillars and the gardener's cottage

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there are other active development applications in the area which

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includes as you well know the the tried out twelve

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and fourteen storey residential towers on a ... severed portion

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of the ladies golf club property

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which also includes a a public park

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our Glenwood over to the south is also proposing a

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...

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I need story building on the existing surface parking lot

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and a statutory public meeting was held in may of

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twenty eighteen

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a cross Bayview Avenue is the timber K. temper creek

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proposal ... for approximately five hundred and seventy nine residential

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units it's a mixed use mid rise sorry ... high

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rise development that will also include a public park fronting

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onto John street staff anticipate that a public meeting will

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be held ... later in in the fall of of

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of this year

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in terms of the dish the proposal at seventy seven

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fifty Bayview Avenue

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the proposal is is for five residential towers ranging in

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height between twenty four and thirty five stories and twelve

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hundred eighty seven residential units ...

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the existing private hospital will continue to operate on the

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property for the foreseeable future through a long term lease

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arrangement

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... the the applicant's presentation will provide more details on

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the on the proposal

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media the proposal itself will be evaluated within the framework

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of the provincial policy statement informing to the growth plan

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other provinces growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe the

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greenbelt plan

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and at the regional level the York region official plan

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the provincial policy policy statement provides policy direction to municipalities

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to facilitate efficient land use that supports strong healthy communities

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through the appropriate mix of residential

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institutional employment and recreational uses the growth plan provides a

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framework to manage growth by promoting developments of compact complete

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communities within the existing built up areas and a green

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top and green bell plan identifies natural heritage features for

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permanent protection while supporting conservation of forests watersheds recreation and

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trail connections

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the region's official plan designates the subject lands is urban

523
00:43:32,155 --> 00:43:35,455
area and this provides for a wide range of uses

524
00:43:35,455 --> 00:43:40,975
including residential commercial and institutional uses

525
00:43:40,975 --> 00:43:44,115
in terms of the twenty fourteen market Fisher plan the

526
00:43:44,115 --> 00:43:49,415
property is designated mixed use mid rise and greenway

527
00:43:49,415 --> 00:43:53,825
the mixed use mid rise designation provides for residential dwellings

528
00:43:54,125 --> 00:43:58,345
retail service will tell another commercial uses with a maximum

529
00:43:58,345 --> 00:44:00,645
building height eight stories

530
00:44:00,645 --> 00:44:04,585
the green way designation provides free to logical restoration activity

531
00:44:04,585 --> 00:44:10,685
conservation watershed management but erosion control trails and passive recreation

532
00:44:10,685 --> 00:44:12,685
uses

533
00:44:12,685 --> 00:44:15,725
the site is also subject to a site specific policies

534
00:44:15,725 --> 00:44:20,445
under the twenty fourteen official plan which are under appeal

535
00:44:20,445 --> 00:44:23,185
the purpose of the appeal relates to whether the site

536
00:44:23,265 --> 00:44:27,065
specific policies provide an appropriate policy framework

537
00:44:27,065 --> 00:44:31,555
to to guide potential redevelopment of the subject lands

538
00:44:31,555 --> 00:44:34,205
staff are hoping to resolve this matter through the current

539
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:35,845
proposal

540
00:44:35,845 --> 00:44:38,495
so until the appeal is resolved the policies of the

541
00:44:38,495 --> 00:44:43,085
nineteen seven official plan remain in force

542
00:44:43,085 --> 00:44:46,465
under the nineteen eighty seven of financial plan the subject

543
00:44:46,465 --> 00:44:50,865
lands are designated institutional and hazard lands

544
00:44:50,865 --> 00:44:55,635
the institutional designation provides for community educational healthcare uses and

545
00:44:55,635 --> 00:45:00,495
hazard lands designation generally prohibits development provides for outdoor recreation

546
00:45:00,925 --> 00:45:04,285
conservation parks and pathway uses

547
00:45:04,285 --> 00:45:07,855
in addition there are there are site specific policies that

548
00:45:07,855 --> 00:45:10,715
the lands are subject to under the Thornhill secondary plan

549
00:45:10,825 --> 00:45:12,985
and these policies provide

550
00:45:12,985 --> 00:45:16,445
from a wide variety of uses including a private hospital

551
00:45:16,475 --> 00:45:20,905
a nursing home retirement housing and residential apartments up to

552
00:45:20,905 --> 00:45:25,045
a maximum of seven hundred twenty five units

553
00:45:25,045 --> 00:45:28,495
amendments to both the market official plan

554
00:45:28,495 --> 00:45:31,415
twenty fourteen and the current and I had the inforce

555
00:45:31,415 --> 00:45:34,965
nineteen eighty seven plan are required to permit the proposed

556
00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:38,325
development

557
00:45:38,325 --> 00:45:41,725
the site is zoned for institutional residential and open space

558
00:45:41,725 --> 00:45:44,985
uses under bylaw twenty to thirty seven

559
00:45:44,985 --> 00:45:49,305
which permits multiple dwelling units a hotel an accessory restaurant

560
00:45:49,335 --> 00:45:51,025
a nursing home

561
00:45:51,025 --> 00:45:55,035
and a private hospital

562
00:45:55,035 --> 00:45:58,135
the zoning permits a maximum seven hundred twenty five units

563
00:45:58,165 --> 00:46:01,965
and this includes dwelling units hotel suites nursing home beds

564
00:46:02,345 --> 00:46:05,935
and private hospital beds and also permits a maximum height

565
00:46:05,935 --> 00:46:10,545
of ten stories adjacent to Bayview Avenue

566
00:46:10,545 --> 00:46:14,345
the zoning is also subject to holding provisions and these

567
00:46:14,345 --> 00:46:17,575
provisions are to ensure that the policies and provisions of

568
00:46:17,575 --> 00:46:21,975
the Thornhill secondary plan with respect to phasing of Development

569
00:46:21,975 --> 00:46:26,635
are implemented in conjunction with servicing allocation the requirement for

570
00:46:26,635 --> 00:46:32,145
future studies of the traffic generation and associated impacts and

571
00:46:32,175 --> 00:46:37,485
the parkland demand from the development

572
00:46:37,485 --> 00:46:40,855
as owning bylaw amendment is also required to prevent the

573
00:46:40,855 --> 00:46:45,495
proposed development

574
00:46:45,495 --> 00:46:50,115
I dropped five subdivision was recently submitted to facilitate the

575
00:46:50,115 --> 00:46:53,965
future extension of royal orchard bill of Boulevard in a

576
00:46:53,965 --> 00:46:58,835
southerly direction to connect to the baby you

577
00:46:58,835 --> 00:47:04,295
green lane intersection

578
00:47:04,295 --> 00:47:08,385
to date staff have identified a number of matters to

579
00:47:08,385 --> 00:47:11,605
be addressed through the review of the subject applications and

580
00:47:11,605 --> 00:47:13,125
these include

581
00:47:13,125 --> 00:47:19,235
compatibility with the existing and planned surrounding surrounding land uses

582
00:47:19,355 --> 00:47:23,815
the appropriateness of the proposed building heights inside density

583
00:47:23,815 --> 00:47:27,915
the proposed form massing orientation and transitions to the existing

584
00:47:27,915 --> 00:47:30,065
residential areas

585
00:47:30,065 --> 00:47:35,035
opportunities to provide affordable housing seniors housing and willing units

586
00:47:35,095 --> 00:47:39,045
that can accommodate a family household size

587
00:47:39,045 --> 00:47:42,165
staff have requested the conceptual master plan for the entire

588
00:47:42,165 --> 00:47:45,355
site showing a full build out scenario from the western

589
00:47:45,355 --> 00:47:49,015
edge of the site to Bayview Avenue

590
00:47:49,015 --> 00:47:51,845
staff will also continue to work

591
00:47:51,845 --> 00:47:54,715
with the applicants to now on the review of the

592
00:47:54,715 --> 00:48:01,425
applicants transportation studies to determine the traffic impacts

593
00:48:01,425 --> 00:48:05,315
staff will also continue an analysis on whether there will

594
00:48:05,315 --> 00:48:10,175
be any impacts on the existing community and recreation facilities

595
00:48:10,175 --> 00:48:13,745
and staff as identified that the proposed concept plan does

596
00:48:13,745 --> 00:48:18,065
not it does not indicate any public park land dedication

597
00:48:18,115 --> 00:48:20,385
and staff will continue to work with the option to

598
00:48:20,385 --> 00:48:25,425
determine the appropriate medication requirements

599
00:48:25,425 --> 00:48:29,325
staff will also continue to review a heritage impact assessment

600
00:48:29,385 --> 00:48:35,145
of the historical and architectural features on the property

601
00:48:35,145 --> 00:48:38,305
in terms of next steps staff recommends that the record

602
00:48:38,305 --> 00:48:42,005
of tonight's public meeting be received that the application be

603
00:48:42,005 --> 00:48:45,895
referred back to staff for a recommendation report that addresses

604
00:48:45,955 --> 00:48:48,775
all of the comments received from the public members of

605
00:48:48,775 --> 00:48:52,565
council staff and external agencies

606
00:48:52,565 --> 00:48:57,125
and so that concludes my presentation as I said earlier

607
00:48:57,125 --> 00:49:00,075
David much Makai from an H. B. C. planning is

608
00:49:00,395 --> 00:49:03,455
available to make a presentation on the details of the

609
00:49:03,455 --> 00:49:05,185
proposal

610
00:49:05,185 --> 00:49:08,485
okay thank you record it over to you

611
00:49:08,485 --> 00:49:11,425
thank you Mr chair ... I'm going to ask ...

612
00:49:11,705 --> 00:49:14,475
Nick is out the ... who is our our clients

613
00:49:14,475 --> 00:49:17,285
architects from WCMH

614
00:49:17,285 --> 00:49:21,095
who is also going to present the other proposal ...

615
00:49:21,365 --> 00:49:25,795
with each night ... to put up his presentation so

616
00:49:25,795 --> 00:49:28,265
if you could let him share his screen not be

617
00:49:28,265 --> 00:49:30,175
wonderful

618
00:49:30,175 --> 00:49:33,035
and while that's going on ... I'll just do some

619
00:49:33,035 --> 00:49:36,265
quick introductions my name is Stephen macaulay I'm a registered

620
00:49:36,265 --> 00:49:39,265
professional planner with an H. B. C. as I said

621
00:49:39,265 --> 00:49:43,345
Nick is with us from a W. Zedd MH architects

622
00:49:43,755 --> 00:49:45,855
and we have a number of other ... of our

623
00:49:45,855 --> 00:49:49,045
consultants you cling engineer and traffic on the line as

624
00:49:49,045 --> 00:49:53,935
well to respond to any detail questions that may occur

625
00:49:53,935 --> 00:49:56,265
Nick are you able to share that your present the

626
00:49:56,265 --> 00:49:59,875
presentation was willing up mount David okay thank you very

627
00:49:59,875 --> 00:50:01,305
much

628
00:50:01,305 --> 00:50:05,375
so thanks for brick for for that introduction I'll go

629
00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:11,405
to the first slide

630
00:50:11,405 --> 00:50:21,215
sorry

631
00:50:21,215 --> 00:50:23,195
great thank you very much

632
00:50:23,195 --> 00:50:26,805
so as recognition the site is located on the shortlist

633
00:50:26,875 --> 00:50:32,195
hospital our property and ... on fronting onto baby other

634
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:35,155
is as part of this development and the extension of

635
00:50:35,155 --> 00:50:39,485
royal orchard Boulevard to the Greenlee and a Bayview intersection

636
00:50:39,485 --> 00:50:43,075
proposed as part of the plan of subdivision

637
00:50:43,075 --> 00:50:46,205
in the context as you can see we are proposing

638
00:50:46,245 --> 00:50:50,405
five ... ... Toler elements of it as part of

639
00:50:50,405 --> 00:50:53,955
three buildings on the site ... that surround the existing

640
00:50:54,235 --> 00:50:58,255
hospital including the heritage elements and those ... and as

641
00:50:58,255 --> 00:51:01,515
you'll see later on ... that's a good portion of

642
00:51:01,515 --> 00:51:03,665
the site is subject to a long term lease to

643
00:51:03,665 --> 00:51:06,855
shortlist possible so those lands are not going to be

644
00:51:06,855 --> 00:51:11,435
redeveloped in the near future ... as you can see

645
00:51:11,435 --> 00:51:17,345
the proposal located outside of the the green areas which

646
00:51:17,345 --> 00:51:21,345
represent the valley land offers and what we're

647
00:51:21,345 --> 00:51:24,425
as will be shown in the further slides there's a

648
00:51:24,425 --> 00:51:27,925
substantial amount of green space being remaining on the property

649
00:51:28,455 --> 00:51:32,235
as well looks like

650
00:51:32,235 --> 00:51:34,795
in terms of the development ... we are dealing with

651
00:51:34,825 --> 00:51:38,475
that the north walk the area in yellow ... this

652
00:51:38,475 --> 00:51:41,675
represents approximately

653
00:51:41,675 --> 00:51:45,185
thirty percent of the entire property about six point seven

654
00:51:45,455 --> 00:51:49,235
acres ... and we are looking at said extension of

655
00:51:49,235 --> 00:51:52,815
royal orchard Boulevard which splits of the site between the

656
00:51:52,815 --> 00:51:56,035
north walk in the cell block and the east bloc

657
00:51:56,605 --> 00:51:59,545
and so the north walk is what the applications are

658
00:51:59,545 --> 00:52:01,585
intended to deal with

659
00:52:01,585 --> 00:52:04,885
all within that block in NYC begin smart the design

660
00:52:04,885 --> 00:52:08,165
details but we are proposing a private road system that

661
00:52:08,165 --> 00:52:12,605
will continue through ... encircle in blue through and connect

662
00:52:12,605 --> 00:52:17,165
into the existing drive we are system the services shoulders

663
00:52:17,505 --> 00:52:21,055
and they're ready arrows at the bottom are the existing

664
00:52:21,055 --> 00:52:24,935
fire emergency access to the repair site

665
00:52:24,935 --> 00:52:26,425


666
00:52:26,425 --> 00:52:29,345
with regards to the cell block as it mentioned it

667
00:52:29,395 --> 00:52:33,395
is remaining as part of a long term lease of

668
00:52:33,615 --> 00:52:36,415
so that area is not subject to any redevelopment at

669
00:52:36,415 --> 00:52:37,795
this time

670
00:52:37,795 --> 00:52:40,835
and you can see a purple area which is the

671
00:52:40,835 --> 00:52:45,345
identified heritage features which is the formal gardens associated with

672
00:52:45,345 --> 00:52:48,415
the original house on the property and we're working with

673
00:52:48,755 --> 00:52:53,135
staff with regards to the preservation of that and designation

674
00:52:53,135 --> 00:52:56,035
of that feature as well as other features on site

675
00:52:56,345 --> 00:52:59,675
... through the process so that is an ongoing process

676
00:52:59,855 --> 00:53:02,705
that we're dealing with but the intent obviously is that

677
00:53:02,705 --> 00:53:06,395
the shoulder operations will remain a place where they are

678
00:53:06,395 --> 00:53:09,335
medium to long term at this point talk

679
00:53:09,335 --> 00:53:11,935
next slide

680
00:53:11,935 --> 00:53:15,355
as I mentioned the yellow area the north block is

681
00:53:15,355 --> 00:53:20,355
approximately thirty percent of the site ... that's almost equivalent

682
00:53:20,355 --> 00:53:23,725
to what is being dedicated to the municipality through the

683
00:53:23,725 --> 00:53:27,925
development process in terms of the valley lands are associated

684
00:53:27,925 --> 00:53:31,875
with more the creek as well as the royal orchard

685
00:53:32,275 --> 00:53:36,025
road extension the long term leasehold lands represent thirty six

686
00:53:36,025 --> 00:53:40,285
percent and will stay largely in the current configuration of

687
00:53:40,285 --> 00:53:43,305
subject to some upgrades to to the ... formal gardens

688
00:53:43,305 --> 00:53:46,075
that are proposed and then the east what was left

689
00:53:46,075 --> 00:53:49,395
over that is subject to a number of different constraints

690
00:53:49,425 --> 00:53:53,475
and opportunities that will be explored through a future application

691
00:53:53,475 --> 00:53:58,105
in the future ... once were larger distance

692
00:53:58,105 --> 00:54:03,175
Ford and other road trips are undertaken

693
00:54:03,175 --> 00:54:05,555
so with that I'm gonna passed over to next to

694
00:54:05,555 --> 00:54:08,455
describe some of the details of this on the site

695
00:54:08,815 --> 00:54:11,155
and how we came up with the design that you

696
00:54:11,155 --> 00:54:14,525
see before you today thank you

697
00:54:14,525 --> 00:54:17,655
thank you David good evening everyone my name is Nichola

698
00:54:17,655 --> 00:54:22,935
cosatu principle of this ... WCMH architects and I will

699
00:54:23,195 --> 00:54:26,465
be presenting a few slides talking about the design of

700
00:54:26,465 --> 00:54:29,095
seventy seven fifty Bayview

701
00:54:29,095 --> 00:54:31,585
first I would like to discuss the key feature of

702
00:54:31,585 --> 00:54:35,095
the development which is to provide a public access through

703
00:54:35,125 --> 00:54:40,855
the site to the Pomona creek valley here ... this

704
00:54:41,135 --> 00:54:45,885
path starts at the royal orchard

705
00:54:45,885 --> 00:54:49,225
comes along the north edge of the site and then

706
00:54:49,225 --> 00:54:53,035
comes right down into the site past the formal gardens

707
00:54:53,225 --> 00:54:58,365
with a great view of the existing heritage hospital and

708
00:54:58,365 --> 00:55:00,055
comes around

709
00:55:00,055 --> 00:55:04,115
and goes right down into the valley away from any

710
00:55:04,115 --> 00:55:07,525
kind of traffic or ...

711
00:55:07,525 --> 00:55:14,015
the roadway that's actually going through the site

712
00:55:14,015 --> 00:55:17,435
this is a view looking at that walkway that goes

713
00:55:17,435 --> 00:55:21,605
through this multi use path that goes through the site

714
00:55:22,045 --> 00:55:25,135
and what we've done with the design of the residential

715
00:55:25,135 --> 00:55:28,795
towers is to place all of the very active amenities

716
00:55:28,795 --> 00:55:31,645
on the ground floor and on some of the higher

717
00:55:31,645 --> 00:55:37,195
terraces ... so that this pathway is animated and it's

718
00:55:37,195 --> 00:55:40,515
also well lit and safe for pedestrians to use to

719
00:55:40,515 --> 00:55:44,455
get down to the OP homeowner Creek Valley so we'd

720
00:55:44,455 --> 00:55:48,925
landed with landscape features and we've also animated it with

721
00:55:48,955 --> 00:55:50,875
the existing

722
00:55:50,875 --> 00:55:54,725
terrorists that the hospital currently enjoys looking on to that

723
00:55:54,785 --> 00:55:57,915
walkways we feel that this is a very

724
00:55:57,915 --> 00:56:03,115
pleasant environment for ... community members to actually pass through

725
00:56:03,115 --> 00:56:06,335
the site and go down and enjoy the Pomona Creek

726
00:56:06,335 --> 00:56:08,585
Valley

727
00:56:08,585 --> 00:56:12,345
as David mentioned we place the buildings on the yellow

728
00:56:12,345 --> 00:56:15,255
portion of the site that you saw and that's as

729
00:56:15,255 --> 00:56:19,145
far away as possible that we can get from the

730
00:56:19,455 --> 00:56:22,785
residential neighborhoods and you can see some of the dimensions

731
00:56:22,785 --> 00:56:26,215
here that we're talking about ... the closest dimensions to

732
00:56:26,215 --> 00:56:30,395
the southern neighborhood is about one hundred meters

733
00:56:30,395 --> 00:56:33,185
to the west the development is a hundred and fifty

734
00:56:33,185 --> 00:56:38,405
meters away from the western neighbourhood and into the southeast

735
00:56:38,455 --> 00:56:41,535
were two hundred and thirty meters away from the residence

736
00:56:41,535 --> 00:56:43,185
to the south

737
00:56:43,185 --> 00:56:47,145
and then were generally two hundred and twenty plus or

738
00:56:47,145 --> 00:56:51,645
minus meters away from a few happen you so we've

739
00:56:51,645 --> 00:56:55,605
concentrated our density into the middle of the site so

740
00:56:55,605 --> 00:56:58,085
that we can stay away from the residential neighborhoods and

741
00:56:58,085 --> 00:57:01,545
mitigate the impact we have on

742
00:57:01,545 --> 00:57:04,245
the highest building is in fact 30

743
00:57:04,245 --> 00:57:06,865
4 story building here

744
00:57:06,865 --> 00:57:09,015
and then the buildings we get lower and lower as

745
00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:16,685
we go towards the south and west

746
00:57:16,685 --> 00:57:18,655
one of the strategies that we took here was to

747
00:57:18,655 --> 00:57:22,355
create tall and slender buildings as opposed to a lower

748
00:57:22,675 --> 00:57:26,815
and wider buildings lower and wider buildings cast bigger shadows

749
00:57:26,815 --> 00:57:29,975
than taller and slender buildings so we opted for that

750
00:57:30,005 --> 00:57:35,035
approach you can see clearly here the taller angular line

751
00:57:35,035 --> 00:57:39,325
is the forty five degree angular plane that cities will

752
00:57:39,325 --> 00:57:44,865
use to mitigate the shadowing impact and impact of the

753
00:57:44,865 --> 00:57:48,585
views from the residential neighborhood and we're well below those

754
00:57:48,585 --> 00:57:51,605
forty five degree angular planes were in the low thirties

755
00:57:51,605 --> 00:57:55,145
and high twenties but twenty I think ... twenty nine

756
00:57:55,145 --> 00:57:58,095
on the baby's side in thirty five thirty two thirty

757
00:57:58,095 --> 00:58:00,975
five on the on the residential sites were well below

758
00:58:00,975 --> 00:58:03,965
the anchor plane which means we're doing our utmost to

759
00:58:03,965 --> 00:58:10,785
keep the impact to the residential neighborhoods to a minimum

760
00:58:10,785 --> 00:58:13,105
the site plan itself up to take you through the

761
00:58:13,105 --> 00:58:14,705
site plan which

762
00:58:14,705 --> 00:58:17,315
the first thing we did is put a private drive

763
00:58:17,345 --> 00:58:20,935
around the perimeter of the site to capture all of

764
00:58:21,205 --> 00:58:24,985
the entrances to the three buildings that we are proposing

765
00:58:25,225 --> 00:58:29,195
so one of the entrances drop off areas is here

766
00:58:29,225 --> 00:58:33,525
just north looking over the golf course the other one

767
00:58:33,525 --> 00:58:35,445
is sort of in the

768
00:58:35,445 --> 00:58:38,195
F. middle of the site to drop off with these

769
00:58:38,195 --> 00:58:41,935
two buildings which collected those into one entrance and then

770
00:58:41,935 --> 00:58:45,735
finally the south tower as a drop off located here

771
00:58:46,125 --> 00:58:48,255
and that means that we can connect this to the

772
00:58:48,255 --> 00:58:52,115
existing south service drive that connects back to royal orchard

773
00:58:52,115 --> 00:58:56,495
so nice neat circular vehicular patterns which is in line

774
00:58:56,495 --> 00:59:02,525
by sidewalks will have provisions for cycling ... infrastructure as

775
00:59:02,525 --> 00:59:06,175
per the the standards

776
00:59:06,175 --> 00:59:09,315
the existing hospital as David save Russia remains for the

777
00:59:09,315 --> 00:59:13,295
foreseeable future and the five towers are located here here

778
00:59:13,415 --> 00:59:17,275
here here and in this location here you can clearly

779
00:59:17,275 --> 00:59:19,785
see the path that cuts through the site so that

780
00:59:19,785 --> 00:59:24,265
residents and the public can enjoy the existing out formal

781
00:59:24,265 --> 00:59:29,295
gardens of the hospital and we turn towards the south

782
00:59:29,325 --> 00:59:32,955
and west and come through this with this beautiful landscape

783
00:59:33,195 --> 00:59:36,635
that takes us out to the Pomona valley

784
00:59:36,635 --> 00:59:41,585
not only Creek Valley

785
00:59:41,585 --> 00:59:45,685
the buildings it is it's very early stages of the

786
00:59:45,685 --> 00:59:48,855
building but in this case here we've looked at stepping

787
00:59:48,855 --> 00:59:51,855
the top of the buildings to mitigate their impact and

788
00:59:51,855 --> 00:59:55,885
to create a very unique look for ... for the

789
00:59:55,885 --> 01:00:01,245
development on the skyline

790
01:00:01,245 --> 01:00:04,375
so this is a view from the

791
01:00:04,375 --> 01:00:08,225
north east looking southwest

792
01:00:08,225 --> 01:00:13,205
thank you very much

793
01:00:13,205 --> 01:00:15,765
thank you Mr chair were we're pleased to answer any

794
01:00:15,765 --> 01:00:20,645
questions that you may have been to respond yeah and

795
01:00:20,645 --> 01:00:23,995
listen to any comments that we come from the public

796
01:00:24,385 --> 01:00:26,735
thank you very much thank you David could I get

797
01:00:26,735 --> 01:00:32,345
you to stop Schering screen

798
01:00:32,345 --> 01:00:33,965
thank

799
01:00:33,965 --> 01:00:36,315
so ... I have a few items I just quickly

800
01:00:36,315 --> 01:00:40,075
want to cover before I start calling on members of

801
01:00:40,135 --> 01:00:43,035
the public who have registered to speak to us this

802
01:00:43,035 --> 01:00:44,585
evening

803
01:00:44,585 --> 01:00:46,615
so I want everyone to be aware that we have

804
01:00:46,615 --> 01:00:49,365
a long meeting ahead of us you need to be

805
01:00:49,365 --> 01:00:53,265
patient as I move through the list of currently forty

806
01:00:53,265 --> 01:00:57,285
five people who have registered to address committee on this

807
01:00:57,285 --> 01:00:59,065
item

808
01:00:59,065 --> 01:01:01,975
like to remind the debutantes that they have five minutes

809
01:01:02,235 --> 01:01:05,365
to address the committee I will be adhering to the

810
01:01:05,365 --> 01:01:09,045
speaking limit to ensure an efficient meaning

811
01:01:09,045 --> 01:01:11,525
please don't take offense I will give you a one

812
01:01:11,525 --> 01:01:13,745
minute warning and then we'll have to move on to

813
01:01:13,745 --> 01:01:17,075
the next speaker I think that's not only fair to

814
01:01:17,075 --> 01:01:19,875
you but to your neighbors as well

815
01:01:19,875 --> 01:01:23,995
if you are registered to speak please be patient we

816
01:01:23,995 --> 01:01:27,765
have probably more than three hours of public deputations and

817
01:01:27,765 --> 01:01:32,135
your name will be called eventually I promise you

818
01:01:32,135 --> 01:01:34,895
the clerk is also advised me the Deputy and should

819
01:01:34,895 --> 01:01:38,415
keep their video turned off until it is their turn

820
01:01:38,415 --> 01:01:42,965
to speak and their microphones turned off as well

821
01:01:42,965 --> 01:01:46,055
the clerk is also advised me the deputation should leave

822
01:01:46,055 --> 01:01:49,405
the zoom meeting once they have finished speaking and join

823
01:01:49,405 --> 01:01:51,965
the live stream where you can continue to listen in

824
01:01:51,965 --> 01:01:55,795
to the other debutants and our proceedings this will make

825
01:01:55,795 --> 01:01:59,475
it easier from a meeting management perspective

826
01:01:59,475 --> 01:02:03,975
so with that I'll call on the first registered debutante

827
01:02:04,295 --> 01:02:07,865
and that is Eric Lincoln Eric

828
01:02:07,865 --> 01:02:13,725
you have 5 minutes

829
01:02:13,725 --> 01:02:24,575
Erica you with us

830
01:02:24,575 --> 01:02:32,295
Eric Laken last call

831
01:02:32,295 --> 01:02:36,685
for people who are registered and are unavailable when I

832
01:02:36,685 --> 01:02:38,845
called them I will call them again a little bit

833
01:02:38,845 --> 01:02:41,125
later when it's convenient

834
01:02:41,125 --> 01:02:44,065
I am committed to hearing from everyone that has registered

835
01:02:44,095 --> 01:02:47,715
if they're here Eric last call

836
01:02:47,715 --> 01:02:50,485
Jerry Brown not

837
01:02:50,485 --> 01:02:52,965
okay let me know Laura when you just text me

838
01:02:52,965 --> 01:02:56,285
when he does join us next up is Raymond William

839
01:02:56,675 --> 01:02:59,305
Raymond

840
01:02:59,305 --> 01:03:02,065
and when you are dressing committee we prefer that you

841
01:03:02,065 --> 01:03:04,565
show your video

842
01:03:04,565 --> 01:03:08,575
Raymond yes hi

843
01:03:08,575 --> 01:03:12,255
okay Irish thank you

844
01:03:12,255 --> 01:03:15,395
what we moved into this area a few years ago

845
01:03:15,675 --> 01:03:18,265
we we love it here we love the community fuel

846
01:03:18,375 --> 01:03:20,825
we actually moved over from the east side of Markham

847
01:03:21,095 --> 01:03:24,795
in Cornell ... and what we noticed there was like

848
01:03:24,825 --> 01:03:30,605
it was the area was very intentionally plans all right

849
01:03:30,605 --> 01:03:35,755
so parks schools community centers and the whole area was

850
01:03:35,755 --> 01:03:41,195
developed with those amenities and I I mean like the

851
01:03:41,195 --> 01:03:43,225
city I'm sure paid for it but I know that

852
01:03:43,475 --> 01:03:46,265
like the builders ... you know also put in their

853
01:03:46,265 --> 01:03:51,765
fair share report so I'm definitely not against ... I

854
01:03:51,765 --> 01:03:55,645
guess densification and better use of our space what I'm

855
01:03:55,645 --> 01:03:59,315
asking that you know amenities Buie

856
01:03:59,315 --> 01:04:03,095
how great or you don't improve to match the improvement

857
01:04:03,095 --> 01:04:05,155
of the incoming

858
01:04:05,155 --> 01:04:08,475
I density if we keep everything as is but we

859
01:04:08,505 --> 01:04:11,625
adding all these extra people well it's going to put

860
01:04:11,625 --> 01:04:14,515
a lot of burden on our roads our schools on

861
01:04:14,515 --> 01:04:17,405
our community center and it be great to have this

862
01:04:17,405 --> 01:04:21,835
as a like ... of fox ... and intentionally planned

863
01:04:21,835 --> 01:04:26,345
community with you know with these new residents moving in

864
01:04:26,375 --> 01:04:29,225
with that climbed out and made space made for them

865
01:04:29,255 --> 01:04:32,505
in our parks on our roads with ... you know

866
01:04:32,505 --> 01:04:35,615
I don't think our community center can accommodate this extra

867
01:04:35,615 --> 01:04:38,725
use and I don't want them going to like

868
01:04:38,725 --> 01:04:42,425
private services I I'd I'd love to see our library

869
01:04:42,425 --> 01:04:45,995
be expanded the community center expanded more services added more

870
01:04:45,995 --> 01:04:49,315
facilities made available ... and I think this would be

871
01:04:49,315 --> 01:04:52,445
a great opportunity to do so so thank you for

872
01:04:52,445 --> 01:04:55,015
the for the opportunity to speak

873
01:04:55,015 --> 01:04:58,775
this year we have his address

874
01:04:58,775 --> 01:05:01,105
stop sign so do you want me to tell you

875
01:05:01,105 --> 01:05:08,845
my address yes so I'm sixty four tamarack Dr

876
01:05:08,845 --> 01:05:10,495
thank you

877
01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:13,845
yeah regional cancer Jones the clerk at the clerk captures

878
01:05:13,845 --> 01:05:16,845
all of that information when they register is just

879
01:05:16,845 --> 01:05:19,205
no but be nice to know when introduce themselves that

880
01:05:19,205 --> 01:05:20,865
where they live to

881
01:05:20,865 --> 01:05:22,455
and

882
01:05:22,455 --> 01:05:27,455
... so anybody coming from after that's not absolutely necessary

883
01:05:27,485 --> 01:05:29,935
if you're not comfortable you don't need to but we

884
01:05:29,935 --> 01:05:32,335
do have a record of it

885
01:05:32,335 --> 01:05:34,875
next up is it still be a got to climb

886
01:05:35,155 --> 01:05:45,155
Sylvia

887
01:05:46,085 --> 01:05:49,075
yeah yeah okay okay there you go you're sharing your

888
01:05:49,075 --> 01:05:53,075
screen

889
01:05:53,075 --> 01:05:55,815
and you might be of falling off my screen you

890
01:05:55,815 --> 01:05:59,615
might be muted Sylvia

891
01:05:59,615 --> 01:06:02,605
let me just see if I can see you

892
01:06:02,605 --> 01:06:05,835
thank you Mr chairman members of committee for the opportunity

893
01:06:05,835 --> 01:06:08,385
to speak to this evening

894
01:06:08,385 --> 01:06:10,695
my name is still being Daddy Klein and I am

895
01:06:10,695 --> 01:06:14,465
assist thirty two year resident of Thornhill and co chair

896
01:06:14,495 --> 01:06:17,815
of the Mona Valley steering committee whose interests include the

897
01:06:17,815 --> 01:06:22,435
proposed development and proposed subdivision to facilitate the extension overall

898
01:06:22,435 --> 01:06:26,265
orchard Boulevard the Pomona valley steering committee is made up

899
01:06:26,265 --> 01:06:30,245
of ward one residents our objectives are to educate and

900
01:06:30,245 --> 01:06:34,905
help organize local residents to express expressed concerns regarding the

901
01:06:34,905 --> 01:06:39,025
proposed development more than three hundred residents subscribe to our

902
01:06:39,025 --> 01:06:43,305
newsletter we are in the process of engaging a planning

903
01:06:43,305 --> 01:06:47,005
expert to work with us to and ensure residents voices

904
01:06:47,005 --> 01:06:50,255
are heard throughout the review process

905
01:06:50,255 --> 01:06:53,865
we have eight key concerns with the development as proposed

906
01:06:54,355 --> 01:06:58,525
the density is unsuitable for the low cation the design

907
01:06:58,525 --> 01:07:03,405
is not well integrated within the existing mature community mobility

908
01:07:03,405 --> 01:07:06,825
options at this location are inferior to those on young

909
01:07:06,825 --> 01:07:10,125
street traffic from the site will be even more of

910
01:07:10,125 --> 01:07:14,775
a nightmare the proposed development will damage the rich natural

911
01:07:14,775 --> 01:07:19,005
heritage of the site the cultural heritage aspects will be

912
01:07:19,005 --> 01:07:21,035
overwhelmed

913
01:07:21,035 --> 01:07:25,245
the uncertainty attached to the future phases is worrisome and

914
01:07:25,245 --> 01:07:28,165
there is a need to safeguard the future for the

915
01:07:28,165 --> 01:07:30,535
next generation

916
01:07:30,535 --> 01:07:33,825
liberty is proposed density of twelve hundred ninety seven units

917
01:07:33,825 --> 01:07:38,425
as unsuitable for this location design revisions are needed to

918
01:07:38,425 --> 01:07:41,945
reduce density move the tallest buildings to the part of

919
01:07:41,945 --> 01:07:45,915
the site along Bayview respect the green way areas and

920
01:07:45,915 --> 01:07:50,285
better integrate the overall design within the existing community it

921
01:07:50,285 --> 01:07:53,805
is disappointing to learn that liberty has not taken advantage

922
01:07:53,805 --> 01:07:57,755
of early negative feedback from residents to bring design changes

923
01:07:57,755 --> 01:08:02,275
to this public meeting

924
01:08:02,275 --> 01:08:04,955
this is the current entrance to the site as you

925
01:08:04,955 --> 01:08:08,535
can clearly see this is not young street the phase

926
01:08:08,535 --> 01:08:11,925
one development is set far back from Bayview there is

927
01:08:11,925 --> 01:08:15,595
no higher order transit in the area no go train

928
01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:20,525
no nearby subway station no bus rapid transit

929
01:08:20,525 --> 01:08:23,885
just leaving the site in the morning heart in rush

930
01:08:23,885 --> 01:08:26,745
hour is going to break gridlock in the site and

931
01:08:26,745 --> 01:08:30,635
air pollution for a long line of arguing vehicles will

932
01:08:30,635 --> 01:08:33,305
liberty is proposing a second way on and off the

933
01:08:33,305 --> 01:08:37,115
site with the subdivision plan for roll larger Boulevard good

934
01:08:37,115 --> 01:08:39,755
luck with getting into the line of cars making their

935
01:08:39,755 --> 01:08:43,145
way down roller chain to baby in the morning including

936
01:08:43,145 --> 01:08:45,835
all the cars leaving the new tried old buildings just

937
01:08:45,835 --> 01:08:48,145
north of here

938
01:08:48,145 --> 01:08:51,465
end of day gridlock can be expected on northbound Bayview

939
01:08:51,495 --> 01:08:54,045
as cars queue up to turn left onto the site

940
01:08:54,535 --> 01:08:58,605
further gridlock can be expected as westbound Karsten John street

941
01:08:58,605 --> 01:09:02,425
turned north on Bayview and attempt to cross two lanes

942
01:09:02,425 --> 01:09:04,945
to get to the left turn lane to access the

943
01:09:04,945 --> 01:09:06,785
site

944
01:09:06,785 --> 01:09:10,015
another aspect of how this design is unsuitable for the

945
01:09:10,015 --> 01:09:13,795
location is the proposed placement of the tallest thirty five

946
01:09:13,795 --> 01:09:17,645
storey building buried deep within the site why is this

947
01:09:17,645 --> 01:09:21,755
big building so far off Bayview Avenue away from the

948
01:09:21,755 --> 01:09:25,595
amenities Don this major north south corridor and while I

949
01:09:25,595 --> 01:09:28,835
locate the salt the second tallest building at thirty one

950
01:09:28,835 --> 01:09:33,625
storeys in the corner of the site furthest from Bayview

951
01:09:33,625 --> 01:09:37,405
the approved zoning requires that the tallest buildings be located

952
01:09:37,405 --> 01:09:41,795
along Bayview Avenue well this current zoning defines the tallest

953
01:09:41,795 --> 01:09:46,465
building set ten stories before even discussing suitable building heights

954
01:09:46,465 --> 01:09:50,075
let's at least start with locating the tallest buildings directly

955
01:09:50,075 --> 01:09:56,785
on the major corridor with immediate pedestrian and transit access

956
01:09:56,785 --> 01:10:00,295
the final aspect of unsuitability as shown on this slide

957
01:10:01,455 --> 01:10:04,115
the red cross hatched area shows the parts of the

958
01:10:04,295 --> 01:10:08,435
site that is currently designated as green way lands based

959
01:10:08,435 --> 01:10:12,225
on the two thousand and fourteen Markham official plan this

960
01:10:12,225 --> 01:10:17,765
designation is intended to protect national natural heritage including wildlife

961
01:10:17,765 --> 01:10:23,215
habitat a range of environmental uses are permitted

962
01:10:23,215 --> 01:10:26,785
liberty's proposal would put four of the five total towers

963
01:10:26,785 --> 01:10:29,785
in the green light designated area

964
01:10:29,785 --> 01:10:34,125
closely packed high density design that liberty has advanced could

965
01:10:34,125 --> 01:10:37,125
not be more at all odds with the planning intentions

966
01:10:37,125 --> 01:10:39,045
for this site

967
01:10:39,045 --> 01:10:43,775
opposed degree of intensification is completely unsuitable for the location

968
01:10:43,805 --> 01:10:47,295
on Bayview thank you

969
01:10:47,295 --> 01:10:49,885
Hey thank you Sylvia

970
01:10:49,885 --> 01:10:53,875
next up is very sad sort of gar where is

971
01:10:53,875 --> 01:10:55,785
that are you with us

972
01:10:55,785 --> 01:10:57,425
yes I'm here

973
01:10:57,425 --> 01:11:00,395
I think you have five minutes Sir thank you Mr

974
01:11:00,395 --> 01:11:03,275
Turner my name use force at sonic our my wife

975
01:11:03,275 --> 01:11:05,535
and I need to get some in the million turning

976
01:11:05,535 --> 01:11:09,005
Larry out for about ten years and currency at more

977
01:11:09,005 --> 01:11:12,225
nobody

978
01:11:12,225 --> 01:11:15,225
in this section are gonna provide context for why it's

979
01:11:15,225 --> 01:11:19,585
clear that the heights opposed with this development far beyond

980
01:11:19,645 --> 01:11:25,535
anything that could be considered reasonable for this metro suburban

981
01:11:25,685 --> 01:11:28,365
coming

982
01:11:28,365 --> 01:11:32,985
this rendering from the developer shows just how to face

983
01:11:32,985 --> 01:11:36,625
the proposed development is four days community this is in

984
01:11:36,805 --> 01:11:40,805
view looking south west in many houses nearby are hard

985
01:11:40,805 --> 01:11:44,645
to see as the are completed talk by Bob

986
01:11:44,645 --> 01:11:47,875
it highlighted the Bayview they would court and the morning

987
01:11:47,875 --> 01:11:51,965
value houses at as D. are quite close to the

988
01:11:51,965 --> 01:11:54,575
southwest what top right in this picture you can see

989
01:11:54,575 --> 01:11:58,155
some taller buildings one that is over on young street

990
01:11:58,455 --> 01:12:02,895
young street has higher order transit as much more suitable

991
01:12:03,095 --> 01:12:10,405
for this degree of intensification compared to be accurate

992
01:12:10,405 --> 01:12:13,395
contacts with seventeen because ... ski for putting together this

993
01:12:13,395 --> 01:12:17,855
trox we can see the existing buildings are in great

994
01:12:18,105 --> 01:12:22,525
with the largest existing building being the fifteen storey landmark

995
01:12:22,925 --> 01:12:26,505
convenience and technical houses in presented by trying to brief

996
01:12:26,505 --> 01:12:30,945
you on the following the proposed zoning described development isn't

997
01:12:30,945 --> 01:12:35,285
do it talks going up to fifteen stories this is

998
01:12:35,285 --> 01:12:39,395
what a high rise building it is in this area

999
01:12:39,835 --> 01:12:42,585
fifteen story

1000
01:12:42,585 --> 01:12:46,005
we'll try to development is twelve to fourteen stories so

1001
01:12:46,035 --> 01:12:51,565
our existing development in program development and other applications are

1002
01:12:51,815 --> 01:12:55,855
all these facts the maximum of fifteen stories you can

1003
01:12:55,855 --> 01:13:00,975
see the proposed liberty developments in orange simply does not

1004
01:13:00,975 --> 01:13:04,675
fix when measured in meters as opposed to storing it

1005
01:13:04,675 --> 01:13:07,675
is three times the height of the land

1006
01:13:07,675 --> 01:13:12,265
it is even harder and what that's the same developer

1007
01:13:12,305 --> 01:13:14,595
builds over on Long Street

1008
01:13:14,595 --> 01:13:18,105
more than the all

1009
01:13:18,105 --> 01:13:21,275
you start looking west from Bayview is one of the

1010
01:13:21,275 --> 01:13:25,335
analysis provided by the developer and you have adding orange

1011
01:13:25,365 --> 01:13:26,825
hi

1012
01:13:26,825 --> 01:13:30,045
you can clearly see that there are adequate transition's in

1013
01:13:30,045 --> 01:13:34,135
several respects starting from the low rise residential to the

1014
01:13:34,135 --> 01:13:38,105
south which is shown by the highlighted house in nondescript

1015
01:13:38,105 --> 01:13:41,265
A. G. some property and this picture is in fact

1016
01:13:41,265 --> 01:13:44,555
the Rivera Glenwood to try and residents which seems to

1017
01:13:44,555 --> 01:13:48,005
be happening completely ignore

1018
01:13:48,005 --> 01:13:51,605
you are older residents no matter this may not take

1019
01:13:51,605 --> 01:13:55,475
maybe residential Karofsky hundred seventy people again on the seventy

1020
01:13:55,475 --> 01:13:59,175
people live here long last and it should be treated

1021
01:13:59,325 --> 01:14:03,275
as such that brings us to renounce will das hospital

1022
01:14:03,375 --> 01:14:07,655
what would be the impact of construction all those in

1023
01:14:07,655 --> 01:14:11,045
the office and ultimately tall buildings on the hospital and

1024
01:14:11,045 --> 01:14:15,595
patient because this is where integrated very negative environment for

1025
01:14:15,595 --> 01:14:18,385
the hospital it wouldn't be surprising if it's because the

1026
01:14:18,385 --> 01:14:22,645
hospital determined at least at eight three so we need

1027
01:14:22,645 --> 01:14:25,965
the same to future phases sooner rather than later the

1028
01:14:25,965 --> 01:14:31,345
developer is using this analysis to claim we are creating

1029
01:14:31,345 --> 01:14:37,085
an appropriate relationship to be discouraged mentions how it is

1030
01:14:37,325 --> 01:14:41,785
in your ears

1031
01:14:41,785 --> 01:14:44,675
the map on the right of this slide these outlining

1032
01:14:45,025 --> 01:14:48,305
tremendous heights in the current zoning north is at the

1033
01:14:48,305 --> 01:14:52,335
top would be view Avenue on the east right you

1034
01:14:52,335 --> 01:14:56,455
can see that the plan is for only three stories

1035
01:14:56,455 --> 01:14:59,245
on the western portion of the property but most of

1036
01:14:59,245 --> 01:15:02,905
the fees more educated it's thirty five storey building being

1037
01:15:02,905 --> 01:15:06,705
proposed is more than eleven times the three stories over

1038
01:15:06,995 --> 01:15:11,195
and four times eight stones this is a drastic change

1039
01:15:11,195 --> 01:15:15,775
in direction what was agreed to but Mr

1040
01:15:15,775 --> 01:15:18,965
as noted by the previous speaker you can also see

1041
01:15:18,965 --> 01:15:22,295
that the highlights increases as you move towards the average

1042
01:15:22,845 --> 01:15:26,785
two eight and then ten stores this exhibits the sound

1043
01:15:27,025 --> 01:15:30,225
planning principles of keeping the height close to the major

1044
01:15:30,225 --> 01:15:35,395
corridor which will help to improve proximity shoe boxes and

1045
01:15:35,425 --> 01:15:39,175
amenities it also allowance for more gradual transition from the

1046
01:15:39,175 --> 01:15:42,905
houses and park on the west side of this

1047
01:15:42,905 --> 01:15:47,695
to the proposed development not only ignores existing plan when

1048
01:15:47,695 --> 01:15:50,805
you turn is completely on its head

1049
01:15:50,805 --> 01:15:55,875
the proposed heights need to substantially reviews and strong positions

1050
01:15:56,185 --> 01:15:59,845
need to be respectful of the strategy

1051
01:15:59,845 --> 01:16:01,805
thanks very much message

1052
01:16:01,805 --> 01:16:04,215
Hey thank you for that next up is fine if

1053
01:16:04,215 --> 01:16:07,645
it's

1054
01:16:07,645 --> 01:16:11,525
thank you Mr chair my name is fine habits and

1055
01:16:11,525 --> 01:16:14,715
... a culture of our committee

1056
01:16:14,715 --> 01:16:17,285
my wife by Sharon and I have lived in Pomona

1057
01:16:17,285 --> 01:16:20,125
about eight for thirty three years

1058
01:16:20,125 --> 01:16:24,815
I will be speaking about alternative mobility options and how

1059
01:16:24,815 --> 01:16:29,005
they options on Bayview are far inferior to those on

1060
01:16:29,005 --> 01:16:30,735
young street

1061
01:16:30,735 --> 01:16:33,625
we all know that the quality of life depends on

1062
01:16:33,625 --> 01:16:38,865
many factors one aspect of urban livability is how easy

1063
01:16:38,865 --> 01:16:40,675
it is to

1064
01:16:40,675 --> 01:16:45,295
to shop go to work and enjoy local services and

1065
01:16:45,295 --> 01:16:47,025
amenities

1066
01:16:47,025 --> 01:16:50,515
our moment by Kirk can be convenient there's also a

1067
01:16:50,515 --> 01:16:54,925
strong interest in being able to walk cycle or take

1068
01:16:54,925 --> 01:17:00,085
transit to avoid the hassles of traffic and parking

1069
01:17:00,085 --> 01:17:04,025
an American company has developed an online tool called the

1070
01:17:04,025 --> 01:17:09,055
walk score that gives information to help understand how livable

1071
01:17:09,385 --> 01:17:11,685
and address may be

1072
01:17:11,685 --> 01:17:17,845
it provides information including walkability and transit friendliness

1073
01:17:17,845 --> 01:17:22,875
when you enter seven seven five zero Bayview Avenue you'll

1074
01:17:22,875 --> 01:17:25,305
see the scores on the left

1075
01:17:25,305 --> 01:17:28,965
they show that many errands require her

1076
01:17:28,965 --> 01:17:32,735
there's a transit on Bayview but the relatively low score

1077
01:17:32,735 --> 01:17:36,385
of thirty nine out of one hundred reflects a long

1078
01:17:36,385 --> 01:17:41,145
interval of more than fifteen minutes between buses

1079
01:17:41,145 --> 01:17:45,585
by comparison the liberty bell world on your own it's

1080
01:17:45,585 --> 01:17:48,225
a walk score that just nearly double that of the

1081
01:17:48,225 --> 01:17:50,375
baby of the site

1082
01:17:50,375 --> 01:17:54,845
this is much more pedestrian friendly area given that most

1083
01:17:54,845 --> 01:17:58,495
errands can be accomplished to walking to shops in and

1084
01:17:58,495 --> 01:18:00,895
around the on the street

1085
01:18:00,895 --> 01:18:04,435
the transit score for young street is more than double

1086
01:18:04,515 --> 01:18:08,585
that of Bayview was an excellent rating this is because

1087
01:18:08,585 --> 01:18:13,345
of a range of options including bus rapid transit correct

1088
01:18:13,345 --> 01:18:15,995
of French subway station

1089
01:18:15,995 --> 01:18:19,435
was no ready access to higher order transit in the

1090
01:18:19,435 --> 01:18:23,445
John and Bayview area the next best option is to

1091
01:18:23,445 --> 01:18:28,395
go to young street to access the future subway extension

1092
01:18:28,395 --> 01:18:31,485
assuming the closest station will be a young and raw

1093
01:18:31,485 --> 01:18:34,595
orchard it would take about a half an hour to

1094
01:18:34,595 --> 01:18:36,175
walk there

1095
01:18:36,175 --> 01:18:39,645
maybe on a beautiful spring day but not so appealing

1096
01:18:39,645 --> 01:18:41,525
and winter

1097
01:18:41,525 --> 01:18:45,555
SS Reid shoals Markham has a metric that is used

1098
01:18:45,555 --> 01:18:49,275
to track the number of residents who live in areas

1099
01:18:49,345 --> 01:18:52,855
with access to higher order transit

1100
01:18:52,855 --> 01:18:56,525
this metric is based on an eight hundred meter or

1101
01:18:56,525 --> 01:18:58,665
ten minute walk

1102
01:18:58,665 --> 01:19:01,775
as you can see from the snapshot the walk to

1103
01:19:01,775 --> 01:19:05,875
young and rural orchard is two point five Kelco longer

1104
01:19:05,875 --> 01:19:10,605
sports three times the eight hundred meter distance which is

1105
01:19:10,605 --> 01:19:15,255
seen as a reasonable access distance ... so what are

1106
01:19:15,255 --> 01:19:19,355
the other mobility just mobility choices

1107
01:19:19,355 --> 01:19:23,725
private shuttle option is proposed by liberty but this gets

1108
01:19:23,725 --> 01:19:29,005
a yellow rating and a green yellow red rating scheme

1109
01:19:29,005 --> 01:19:32,105
the issue with the private supershuttle is that there's no

1110
01:19:32,105 --> 01:19:36,055
certainty as to whether the person proposed service will be

1111
01:19:36,055 --> 01:19:37,815
maintained

1112
01:19:37,815 --> 01:19:43,265
also there are no transparent judge standards for training safety

1113
01:19:43,295 --> 01:19:47,305
cleanliness and even time in the house it all boils

1114
01:19:47,305 --> 01:19:50,705
down to what the private operator and our climate ...

1115
01:19:50,705 --> 01:19:52,945
client decide

1116
01:19:52,945 --> 01:19:56,545
the private shuttle would have a high degree of uncertainty

1117
01:19:56,595 --> 01:20:03,265
for the long term sustainability and dependability for future residents

1118
01:20:03,265 --> 01:20:07,525
cycling has potential as a yellow rating shows but without

1119
01:20:07,525 --> 01:20:11,935
bicycle lanes on Bayview there's a gap to access major

1120
01:20:11,935 --> 01:20:14,145
north south routes

1121
01:20:14,145 --> 01:20:17,145
change the rest for cyclists on roads such as baby

1122
01:20:17,145 --> 01:20:22,055
rise significantly and the absence of bike lanes

1123
01:20:22,055 --> 01:20:27,105
Karcher Anna's Chanos vehicles may factor in the future but

1124
01:20:27,105 --> 01:20:30,795
right now there are no cursor share services such as

1125
01:20:30,795 --> 01:20:35,575
comment out ... or zip her operating in Markham as

1126
01:20:35,575 --> 01:20:39,775
a result this option is shown in red

1127
01:20:39,775 --> 01:20:45,615
in conclusion allowing the major highrise development proposed by liberty

1128
01:20:45,775 --> 01:20:52,125
without strong mobility options would be simply you're responsible

1129
01:20:52,125 --> 01:20:56,445
please do not allow this misplaced and extreme development to

1130
01:20:56,445 --> 01:20:59,815
proceed thank you Mr chairman

1131
01:20:59,815 --> 01:21:07,085
alright thank you bye next up is Monica Macintosh

1132
01:21:07,085 --> 01:21:09,875
Monica if you're with this you have five minutes thank

1133
01:21:09,875 --> 01:21:11,695
you

1134
01:21:11,695 --> 01:21:14,745
thank you Mr chairman name is Monica Macintosh and my

1135
01:21:14,745 --> 01:21:17,515
husband and I have lived in Pomona valley for twenty

1136
01:21:17,515 --> 01:21:21,465
seven years I want to demonstrate just talking full traffic

1137
01:21:21,465 --> 01:21:24,255
already is in the John B. U. area and how

1138
01:21:24,255 --> 01:21:27,095
will be even worse

1139
01:21:27,095 --> 01:21:29,175
first though let's take a step back and ask why

1140
01:21:29,175 --> 01:21:31,175
is track report

1141
01:21:31,175 --> 01:21:33,035
we all know what they're looking for station and I

1142
01:21:33,035 --> 01:21:35,855
will be getting to that soon but the other important

1143
01:21:35,855 --> 01:21:39,215
issues as well emergency vehicles will be delayed I might

1144
01:21:39,215 --> 01:21:41,645
not make it in time when seconds can make the

1145
01:21:41,645 --> 01:21:45,165
difference between life and death is actually a fire station

1146
01:21:45,195 --> 01:21:47,375
right at the intersection it's going to be used by

1147
01:21:47,375 --> 01:21:50,605
this development it's frightening to think how their operations may

1148
01:21:50,605 --> 01:21:52,525
be affected

1149
01:21:52,525 --> 01:21:56,025
their studies to support what we intuitively know

1150
01:21:56,025 --> 01:21:59,225
that more traffic means more accidents and of course increased

1151
01:21:59,225 --> 01:22:04,185
traffic leads to more air pollution more noise pollution

1152
01:22:04,185 --> 01:22:05,675
for those of you who are familiar with John of

1153
01:22:05,675 --> 01:22:08,765
baby here's how it looks clearly this picture wasn't taken

1154
01:22:08,765 --> 01:22:11,105
during rush hour because of it because it would be

1155
01:22:11,105 --> 01:22:13,005
packed with cars

1156
01:22:13,005 --> 01:22:15,565
now take a closer look at John street traveling eastbound

1157
01:22:15,565 --> 01:22:17,135
at the red arrow

1158
01:22:17,135 --> 01:22:19,445
there is a short span of about fifty meters to

1159
01:22:19,445 --> 01:22:21,755
the writer east appear only at where we have three

1160
01:22:21,755 --> 01:22:24,395
lanes as we approach the intersection but the street to

1161
01:22:24,395 --> 01:22:26,905
the left or west of the ... was one way

1162
01:22:26,905 --> 01:22:29,745
so during rush hour I did the through lane fax

1163
01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:32,695
two words one lane blocking everyone's trying to act or

1164
01:22:32,695 --> 01:22:35,115
the left hand turn lane backs up in everyone's trying

1165
01:22:35,115 --> 01:22:37,355
to go straight through as well and one of those

1166
01:22:37,355 --> 01:22:41,385
two things happens almost every afternoon rush hour

1167
01:22:41,385 --> 01:22:43,415
so here we have a wider perspective John and B.

1168
01:22:43,415 --> 01:22:45,845
he was in the top right now and we see

1169
01:22:45,845 --> 01:22:47,455
a lot more of John street as well as hands

1170
01:22:47,455 --> 01:22:48,855
and that

1171
01:22:48,855 --> 01:22:51,045
during rush hour in the afternoon here's what happens to

1172
01:22:51,045 --> 01:22:54,285
traffic in this otherwise three neighborhoods this is part of

1173
01:22:54,285 --> 01:22:57,725
the for healthcare each district is down traffic backs up

1174
01:22:58,205 --> 01:23:00,825
and up and up

1175
01:23:00,825 --> 01:23:03,325
this used to work longer in life when you're looking

1176
01:23:03,325 --> 01:23:07,125
along John street or the branch down Henderson

1177
01:23:07,125 --> 01:23:09,095
so my husband and I are in this yellow car

1178
01:23:09,125 --> 01:23:11,805
we're trying to get home from work we're so close

1179
01:23:11,845 --> 01:23:15,035
media seven may minute walk away

1180
01:23:15,035 --> 01:23:16,845
we're home free if we can get here which is

1181
01:23:16,845 --> 01:23:21,005
the only way interests of division but we can't

1182
01:23:21,005 --> 01:23:23,715
our understanding just can't get over the finish line because

1183
01:23:23,715 --> 01:23:26,035
everyone ahead of us is trying to turn right onto

1184
01:23:26,035 --> 01:23:28,755
John and they're playing chicken with the cars coming from

1185
01:23:28,755 --> 01:23:31,325
the left and the four way stop is everyone wants

1186
01:23:31,325 --> 01:23:34,095
to get into the next stage of the game

1187
01:23:34,095 --> 01:23:35,995
but enough about me

1188
01:23:35,995 --> 01:23:37,805
what about all the people who live on Henderson and

1189
01:23:37,805 --> 01:23:41,355
John I can't get out of the driveway

1190
01:23:41,355 --> 01:23:42,945
in terms of the Google have one of the cameras

1191
01:23:43,025 --> 01:23:46,195
cameras that John Anderson during rush hour

1192
01:23:46,195 --> 01:23:49,505
now that's in the afternoon rush hour mornings also bad

1193
01:23:49,505 --> 01:23:52,425
but not as bad so what happens if the new

1194
01:23:52,425 --> 01:23:54,175
development goes in

1195
01:23:54,175 --> 01:23:56,705
well according to a reduced traffic study the morning will

1196
01:23:56,705 --> 01:23:59,215
be even worse than the acting

1197
01:23:59,215 --> 01:24:01,205
are you kidding me

1198
01:24:01,205 --> 01:24:03,985
why would that happen based on the location of this

1199
01:24:03,985 --> 01:24:06,415
development there actually aren't that many cars being added to

1200
01:24:06,415 --> 01:24:09,865
this route now the traffic study mentioned signal calibration so

1201
01:24:09,865 --> 01:24:12,505
I think that's what's happening is that they're giving more

1202
01:24:12,505 --> 01:24:16,285
single time to north south traffic on beating and cutting

1203
01:24:16,285 --> 01:24:20,055
signal time for good old is down John street

1204
01:24:20,055 --> 01:24:23,405
and according to their study only the left turn from

1205
01:24:23,405 --> 01:24:26,995
Gianna to B. he's problematic somehow your study shows that

1206
01:24:27,025 --> 01:24:30,535
he's found through will be just fine which is impossible

1207
01:24:31,015 --> 01:24:32,835
because of the left hand turn lane is backed up

1208
01:24:32,835 --> 01:24:34,995
and so is the through line because we're all in

1209
01:24:35,025 --> 01:24:37,415
the same lane

1210
01:24:37,415 --> 01:24:40,465
and not just one place at the liberty study underestimates

1211
01:24:40,465 --> 01:24:44,045
the impact additional traffic

1212
01:24:44,045 --> 01:24:45,825
when we went to the traffic study we found a

1213
01:24:45,825 --> 01:24:49,605
number of inconsistencies errors and overly aggressive assumptions it would

1214
01:24:49,635 --> 01:24:53,405
understate the existing traffic situation and severely understate the future

1215
01:24:53,405 --> 01:24:56,015
traffic situation I've listed a few them here I'm not

1216
01:24:56,015 --> 01:24:58,145
gonna go through the money just a time and as

1217
01:24:58,145 --> 01:25:01,065
we were you sure defining the staff other than to

1218
01:25:01,065 --> 01:25:05,735
note that the missing no general growth in traffic last

1219
01:25:05,735 --> 01:25:08,255
I heard Martin was brought

1220
01:25:08,255 --> 01:25:10,925
there's no recognition of other developments in the area other

1221
01:25:10,925 --> 01:25:14,495
than the relatively small one by trial nothing for Thornhill

1222
01:25:14,495 --> 01:25:18,175
square redevelopment nothing to regular choosing young and even if

1223
01:25:18,175 --> 01:25:21,285
there is a subway they're not gonna be taking it

1224
01:25:21,285 --> 01:25:23,835
and many others will now be driving into the subway

1225
01:25:23,985 --> 01:25:26,025
to drop off and pick up

1226
01:25:26,025 --> 01:25:28,205
not to mention the link staff development north of this

1227
01:25:28,205 --> 01:25:32,215
one again not all residents are gonna be taking transit

1228
01:25:32,215 --> 01:25:34,045
and this is just a subset what a couple of

1229
01:25:34,045 --> 01:25:37,005
non experts found

1230
01:25:37,005 --> 01:25:39,315
despite all that you can still see in the study

1231
01:25:39,315 --> 01:25:41,835
that traffic is bad I'm going to get worse so

1232
01:25:41,835 --> 01:25:44,065
let me just finish this section with a quote from

1233
01:25:44,065 --> 01:25:47,765
the traffic study in defending their position on not factoring

1234
01:25:47,765 --> 01:25:50,965
in any general population growth they say

1235
01:25:50,965 --> 01:25:52,505
well I am so long baby you have in your

1236
01:25:52,505 --> 01:25:56,545
height and it is not anticipated but additional general quarter

1237
01:25:56,545 --> 01:25:59,995
growth will occur due to the existing capacity issues and

1238
01:25:59,995 --> 01:26:03,455
delays along the border well let me translate

1239
01:26:03,455 --> 01:26:07,895
traffic is already show bad any general population growth will

1240
01:26:07,895 --> 01:26:11,635
take the long way around this intersection and not actually

1241
01:26:11,635 --> 01:26:13,615
seriously

1242
01:26:13,615 --> 01:26:18,475
so everyone understands just how bad traffic already is

1243
01:26:18,475 --> 01:26:22,275
but how can anyone possibly justify putting an immense hi

1244
01:26:22,275 --> 01:26:25,685
Ryan this development thank you

1245
01:26:25,685 --> 01:26:28,915
okay thank you Monica next up is premier a shot

1246
01:26:28,915 --> 01:26:30,855
so then

1247
01:26:30,855 --> 01:26:32,175
America

1248
01:26:32,175 --> 01:26:35,035
hi good evening thank you Mr

1249
01:26:35,035 --> 01:26:36,895
you have 5 minutes

1250
01:26:36,895 --> 01:26:39,735
thank you thank you Mr chairman member of the committee

1251
01:26:39,735 --> 01:26:41,855
Mandy in his home and I'll shout seven I made

1252
01:26:41,855 --> 01:26:45,415
residents of at one forty five John street M. within

1253
01:26:45,415 --> 01:26:47,705
a decade I lived at my husband and my sons

1254
01:26:47,705 --> 01:26:50,145
I am and I environmental sign just more than H.

1255
01:26:50,145 --> 01:26:53,785
twenty three years experience I will be speaking about that

1256
01:26:53,785 --> 01:26:57,135
reach natural heritage of the site and about how we

1257
01:26:57,135 --> 01:27:00,775
scale up the proposed development it put the natural heritage

1258
01:27:00,805 --> 01:27:02,425
at the risk

1259
01:27:02,425 --> 01:27:08,315
given this property many people may not fully appreciated just

1260
01:27:08,345 --> 01:27:12,815
how incredible this twenty two acre site it

1261
01:27:12,815 --> 01:27:17,695
property lies within the eastern river watershed Jason to true

1262
01:27:17,695 --> 01:27:21,845
whether courses there are extensive bylines and we'll do land

1263
01:27:21,845 --> 01:27:26,315
and particularly on this site to sign to surveys more

1264
01:27:26,315 --> 01:27:30,095
than ninety four types of the plant twenty eight species

1265
01:27:30,095 --> 01:27:34,105
dubbed the breeding Barrett's and six hundred plus mature trees

1266
01:27:34,315 --> 01:27:38,215
have been identified there are few other sites with the

1267
01:27:38,215 --> 01:27:43,495
mark on that could that robo impressive the diversity of

1268
01:27:43,495 --> 01:27:48,945
natural features and why not right on the site

1269
01:27:48,945 --> 01:27:52,535
this is also remarkable in that it is the home

1270
01:27:52,535 --> 01:27:56,725
two days three endangered and threatened species which are protected

1271
01:27:56,795 --> 01:28:01,945
under I'm tired species at risk act so she needs

1272
01:28:02,235 --> 01:28:05,425
to their diet to the observer living in Germany my

1273
01:28:05,425 --> 01:28:10,475
colleague state tax the little brown myotis is an endanger

1274
01:28:10,475 --> 01:28:13,965
back to speech heritage building on the east side of

1275
01:28:13,965 --> 01:28:19,215
this site there noted as being potential bad habits and

1276
01:28:19,215 --> 01:28:23,305
bad calls very recorded sure monitoring

1277
01:28:23,305 --> 01:28:28,375
sorry days isn't it endangers our future species this is

1278
01:28:28,375 --> 01:28:32,715
smaller you know I like fifties lives in the street

1279
01:28:32,905 --> 01:28:36,635
and has been funded in up her done quicker

1280
01:28:36,635 --> 01:28:38,815
so

1281
01:28:38,815 --> 01:28:43,445
reach national heritage features of the site being taking into

1282
01:28:43,445 --> 01:28:49,715
consideration by the developer well not entirely what is troubling

1283
01:28:49,715 --> 01:28:53,825
is that delivery take spirit have basically acknowledged activities that

1284
01:28:53,825 --> 01:28:58,075
tremendous amount that is unknown about the natural heritage features

1285
01:28:58,225 --> 01:29:00,165
of the site

1286
01:29:00,165 --> 01:29:03,705
during expect observe on it only took the time to

1287
01:29:03,705 --> 01:29:08,515
potentially significant about Atlanta and woodlands and potential fish habitat

1288
01:29:08,875 --> 01:29:13,435
all of which are beyond the school environmental impact I

1289
01:29:13,435 --> 01:29:15,115
suspect

1290
01:29:15,115 --> 01:29:20,275
I think that's Donnelly's Lori done under impact on one

1291
01:29:20,275 --> 01:29:25,095
unbelievably difficult to quantify but somehow they could endorse the

1292
01:29:25,095 --> 01:29:29,435
proposed settlement which would puts the Turkey one twenty one

1293
01:29:29,435 --> 01:29:34,575
eighteen the story building in very close proximity to significant

1294
01:29:34,755 --> 01:29:38,175
environmentally sensitive areas

1295
01:29:38,175 --> 01:29:42,435
the liberty engineering expert this state that

1296
01:29:42,435 --> 01:29:47,615
area are converted to hard surface this

1297
01:29:47,615 --> 01:29:51,075
I want to grow as more run of interest to

1298
01:29:51,075 --> 01:29:56,015
what across experience with the Ontario ministry of environment consideration

1299
01:29:56,015 --> 01:29:59,555
and park a grease that this is a major risk

1300
01:29:59,585 --> 01:30:05,295
associated with the largest scale urban development

1301
01:30:05,295 --> 01:30:06,705
and

1302
01:30:06,705 --> 01:30:10,485
as significant news of the tree canopy the day two

1303
01:30:10,485 --> 01:30:15,195
hundred fifty eight mature trees for more this goes against

1304
01:30:15,195 --> 01:30:19,475
the direction of the city is taking as six to

1305
01:30:19,805 --> 01:30:24,525
increase three a can opener from eighteen percent to two

1306
01:30:24,825 --> 01:30:26,785
percent what

1307
01:30:26,785 --> 01:30:31,015
he clearly state that preservation is a priority over the

1308
01:30:31,015 --> 01:30:36,945
replacement and compensation cash compensation instead of the preservation does

1309
01:30:36,945 --> 01:30:41,825
not help Markham achieve its can OP goal

1310
01:30:41,825 --> 01:30:44,895
this is station on the left shows the extended up

1311
01:30:44,895 --> 01:30:49,855
the proposed underground parking garage excavation to build this garage

1312
01:30:49,855 --> 01:30:55,375
means the most of the existing vegetation will be removed

1313
01:30:55,375 --> 01:30:58,915
in whatever during the space remains or mental and in

1314
01:30:58,915 --> 01:31:04,355
mature trees are to be correct are ... substitute for

1315
01:31:04,355 --> 01:31:08,865
the current mature trees and if they experience a deliberate

1316
01:31:08,865 --> 01:31:12,605
you were going young development is any example it can

1317
01:31:12,605 --> 01:31:17,045
be expected that mature trees very struggle to roll in

1318
01:31:17,045 --> 01:31:20,355
the shallow selected by double occur

1319
01:31:20,355 --> 01:31:23,925
as you can see the proposed development of real damage

1320
01:31:23,925 --> 01:31:27,225
to natural heritage of the site thank you Mr chair

1321
01:31:27,325 --> 01:31:30,525
and to come to you for this opportunity

1322
01:31:30,525 --> 01:31:34,555
thank you of America next is Cathy mobilis S. Q.

1323
01:31:34,555 --> 01:31:37,105
U. with us yes I am thank you very much

1324
01:31:37,105 --> 01:31:39,685
Mister chair you're welcome

1325
01:31:39,685 --> 01:31:42,975
alright as a twenty six year resident in history teacher

1326
01:31:42,975 --> 01:31:46,755
in Markham I am concerned about the cultural heritage aspects

1327
01:31:46,755 --> 01:31:50,405
of this project we would all agree that cultural heritage

1328
01:31:50,405 --> 01:31:54,245
features are fragile and non renewable

1329
01:31:54,245 --> 01:31:56,615
we would also all agree that we owe a duty

1330
01:31:56,615 --> 01:31:59,905
to future generations to ensure that our shared history is

1331
01:31:59,905 --> 01:32:01,515
protected

1332
01:32:01,515 --> 01:32:05,575
the proposed development risks overwhelming the unique cultural heritage of

1333
01:32:05,575 --> 01:32:07,185
the site

1334
01:32:07,185 --> 01:32:12,695
Markham has four designated areas called heritage conservation districts one

1335
01:32:12,695 --> 01:32:15,305
of these war torn hell as it is commonly called

1336
01:32:15,665 --> 01:32:18,815
is shown on the slide it begins on young street

1337
01:32:18,815 --> 01:32:22,205
and stretches east past Henderson robin

1338
01:32:22,205 --> 01:32:24,705
this year in the area has a special character that

1339
01:32:24,705 --> 01:32:28,725
is reflected in the workers talked region's architectural styles and

1340
01:32:28,725 --> 01:32:30,315
streetscapes

1341
01:32:30,315 --> 01:32:34,505
of course changes will occur in these districts in fact

1342
01:32:34,505 --> 01:32:38,135
the purpose of the heritage designation is to guide changes

1343
01:32:38,525 --> 01:32:42,265
so they contribute to the unique historical character

1344
01:32:42,265 --> 01:32:47,325
construction in these areas is to be complimentary and respectful

1345
01:32:47,325 --> 01:32:50,325
given that the proposed development is in very close proximity

1346
01:32:50,325 --> 01:32:53,225
to the eastern edge of the district and given that

1347
01:32:53,225 --> 01:32:55,645
the scale of this development works anything else in the

1348
01:32:55,645 --> 01:32:59,125
area there is a very real risk of overwhelming to

1349
01:32:59,125 --> 01:33:02,365
her church district

1350
01:33:02,365 --> 01:33:05,695
the proposed development site is unique in that it contains

1351
01:33:05,875 --> 01:33:09,405
a rear is state house on significant acreage right in

1352
01:33:09,405 --> 01:33:14,055
the city join me in admiring what colour Steve house

1353
01:33:14,295 --> 01:33:17,535
shown on the slide which is listed in Markham's register

1354
01:33:17,535 --> 01:33:21,895
properties of cultural heritage built in nineteen thirty seven it

1355
01:33:21,895 --> 01:33:25,465
is the largest and most sophisticated example of Georgian revival

1356
01:33:25,465 --> 01:33:27,285
style and city

1357
01:33:27,285 --> 01:33:30,445
it is a real cultural heritage treasure

1358
01:33:30,445 --> 01:33:32,655
the house was originally built as a country estate hi

1359
01:33:32,655 --> 01:33:35,805
Clement George McCullough who just like his home is an

1360
01:33:35,805 --> 01:33:39,315
important figure in our region's history he ran a successful

1361
01:33:39,315 --> 01:33:41,815
brokerage firm in Toronto and went on to buy the

1362
01:33:41,815 --> 01:33:45,105
Toronto globe and the mailing them for any merged the

1363
01:33:45,105 --> 01:33:48,315
two newspapers to form the globe and mail

1364
01:33:48,315 --> 01:33:50,555
he was also part owner of the Toronto Maple Leafs

1365
01:33:50,705 --> 01:33:54,895
any hired the same architects to build another architectural maple

1366
01:33:54,895 --> 01:33:58,415
leaf gardens to design this home

1367
01:33:58,415 --> 01:34:02,275
Markham has shown leadership when it comes to cultural heritage

1368
01:34:02,415 --> 01:34:05,485
including being one of the first municipalities to establish a

1369
01:34:05,485 --> 01:34:09,415
cultural heritage committee in nineteen seventy five

1370
01:34:09,415 --> 01:34:12,875
Markham also was adopted guidelines related to developments in close

1371
01:34:12,875 --> 01:34:16,935
proximity to cultural culturally significant structure

1372
01:34:16,935 --> 01:34:20,385
these guidelines which cover shown on this slide require thought

1373
01:34:20,605 --> 01:34:25,085
one new developments for respond to and respected Houston heritage

1374
01:34:25,085 --> 01:34:28,795
building too at the height of any new buildings should

1375
01:34:28,795 --> 01:34:32,015
transition within one story of the height of the heritage

1376
01:34:32,015 --> 01:34:35,625
building and three but I heritage building should not be

1377
01:34:35,625 --> 01:34:38,915
integrated with them higher density development it should exist as

1378
01:34:38,915 --> 01:34:41,815
a significant an independent structure

1379
01:34:41,815 --> 01:34:44,185
looking at the proposed development it is clear that these

1380
01:34:44,185 --> 01:34:47,395
guidelines have not been applied I'm not the proposed treatment

1381
01:34:47,395 --> 01:34:51,385
of the McCullough statehouse as a cultural heritage asset is

1382
01:34:51,385 --> 01:34:56,155
one a fundamental disrespect I'm sorry but a pathway does

1383
01:34:56,155 --> 01:34:59,535
not fix the problem

1384
01:34:59,535 --> 01:35:02,845
the proposed development does not respect the cultural heritage of

1385
01:35:02,845 --> 01:35:08,305
the color state house neither in height more proximity liberty

1386
01:35:08,305 --> 01:35:14,185
proposes to build a thirty four story tower fourteen meters

1387
01:35:14,555 --> 01:35:17,495
from what is arguably one of Martin's most in the

1388
01:35:17,495 --> 01:35:19,035
store

1389
01:35:19,035 --> 01:35:20,695
this is of great concern to all of us to

1390
01:35:20,695 --> 01:35:24,875
appreciate and want to protect cultural heritage more community for

1391
01:35:24,875 --> 01:35:29,065
future generations thank you so much for your time

1392
01:35:29,065 --> 01:35:31,195
8

1393
01:35:31,195 --> 01:35:33,585
HM

1394
01:35:33,585 --> 01:35:36,955
M. A. with us yes I am Mr chair

1395
01:35:36,955 --> 01:35:38,845
and

1396
01:35:38,845 --> 01:35:41,045
thank you very much Mr chairman I name is Tim

1397
01:35:41,045 --> 01:35:44,455
Herron I like many of other of our presenters this

1398
01:35:44,455 --> 01:35:47,615
evening and my concern residents of Amona valley I live

1399
01:35:47,615 --> 01:35:51,695
on Cedar forest court my wife Linda and I and

1400
01:35:51,695 --> 01:35:54,425
our two grown children have been residents of this area

1401
01:35:54,425 --> 01:35:56,795
for twenty two years

1402
01:35:56,795 --> 01:35:59,545
as you've already seen the we have several concerns for

1403
01:35:59,545 --> 01:36:03,985
phase one of the development those concerns just multiplied when

1404
01:36:03,985 --> 01:36:08,545
we combined them with uncertainty of future phases

1405
01:36:08,545 --> 01:36:11,715
future phases will cause even more traffic as you for

1406
01:36:12,295 --> 01:36:16,195
natural and cultural heritage aspects will be further diminished there

1407
01:36:16,195 --> 01:36:20,915
will be greater impact on schools community centers medical services

1408
01:36:20,945 --> 01:36:22,625
and so on

1409
01:36:22,625 --> 01:36:26,845
staff and council members should ask themselves if we knew

1410
01:36:26,885 --> 01:36:29,715
what the future phases were going to look like what

1411
01:36:29,715 --> 01:36:34,935
it change our view on the density of phase one

1412
01:36:34,935 --> 01:36:38,555
the current zoning applies to the whole site well we

1413
01:36:38,555 --> 01:36:41,165
don't know what the other future phases will look like

1414
01:36:41,165 --> 01:36:44,885
the developers proposing to transfer the current zoning to the

1415
01:36:44,885 --> 01:36:48,745
portion of the site being left for future phases

1416
01:36:48,745 --> 01:36:51,715
current zoning for this site allows for seven hundred twenty

1417
01:36:51,715 --> 01:36:56,575
five units after holding provisions have been satisfied

1418
01:36:56,575 --> 01:36:58,765
but if all the developers going to do is keep

1419
01:36:58,765 --> 01:37:02,085
the current zoning I don't understand why they are proposing

1420
01:37:02,085 --> 01:37:04,555
so many changes to do it

1421
01:37:04,555 --> 01:37:06,685
we know staff are aware of all of this so

1422
01:37:06,685 --> 01:37:09,265
I won't spend too much time on it however I

1423
01:37:09,265 --> 01:37:12,155
will give you just a couple of examples

1424
01:37:12,155 --> 01:37:14,835
the maximum of seven hundred twenty five units under the

1425
01:37:14,835 --> 01:37:19,335
current zoning in close the current eighty nine bed hospital

1426
01:37:19,335 --> 01:37:23,415
with the proposed changes the hospital is in addition

1427
01:37:23,415 --> 01:37:26,825
and effectively giving them another eighty nine units this is

1428
01:37:26,825 --> 01:37:30,405
not a trivial change for comparison this is about the

1429
01:37:30,405 --> 01:37:34,005
same number of units in try dell's largest tower

1430
01:37:34,005 --> 01:37:36,315
they also want to change what is counted as a

1431
01:37:36,315 --> 01:37:37,765
unit

1432
01:37:37,765 --> 01:37:41,365
this just seems strange we don't understand why they're asking

1433
01:37:41,365 --> 01:37:43,755
for this

1434
01:37:43,755 --> 01:37:46,715
another aspect of the current zoning or the requirements spelled

1435
01:37:46,715 --> 01:37:49,845
out in the holding provisions from what we can tell

1436
01:37:49,845 --> 01:37:54,325
the developers proposing to have these provisions removed without actually

1437
01:37:54,325 --> 01:37:56,565
satisfying

1438
01:37:56,565 --> 01:37:59,985
one extremely important provision is the adequacy of still of

1439
01:37:59,985 --> 01:38:02,585
sewer and water infrastructure

1440
01:38:02,585 --> 01:38:06,545
are the storm water management facilities to the satisfaction of

1441
01:38:06,545 --> 01:38:10,885
the city we constantly see evidence that the existing infrastructures

1442
01:38:10,885 --> 01:38:15,815
being stretched to its Max this is obviously critical

1443
01:38:15,815 --> 01:38:19,685
another provision is you can sit to consider is the

1444
01:38:19,685 --> 01:38:24,195
existing transportation network able to handle the development without adversely

1445
01:38:24,195 --> 01:38:28,945
impact there will not there we'll mostly definitely be adverse

1446
01:38:28,945 --> 01:38:31,425
impact so I suppose it's not a surprise that the

1447
01:38:31,425 --> 01:38:35,785
solution is to remove remove the requirement and lastly a

1448
01:38:35,785 --> 01:38:38,785
third requirement would mean that they have to provide actual

1449
01:38:38,815 --> 01:38:42,575
adequate parkland which of course they don't have to do

1450
01:38:42,735 --> 01:38:45,665
despite how important it is for the community and the

1451
01:38:45,665 --> 01:38:48,805
new residents in the development

1452
01:38:48,805 --> 01:38:51,775
so why would any of these changes be made that

1453
01:38:51,775 --> 01:38:55,525
affect future phases before the developers actually disclosed with a

1454
01:38:55,525 --> 01:38:58,615
plan to build if the current zoning is going to

1455
01:38:58,615 --> 01:39:01,755
be capped then there should be minimal changes and the

1456
01:39:01,755 --> 01:39:05,105
holding provision should be kept to we asked the city

1457
01:39:05,105 --> 01:39:08,505
to hold the developer to the holding provisions for phase

1458
01:39:08,505 --> 01:39:12,085
one and not simply cost and the entire existing plants

1459
01:39:12,225 --> 01:39:14,315
favour of the developer

1460
01:39:14,315 --> 01:39:18,815
we encourage staff and Markham council to seriously consider not

1461
01:39:18,815 --> 01:39:22,095
only what makes sense for phase one but also we

1462
01:39:22,585 --> 01:39:25,305
make sense at this time in respect of the zoning

1463
01:39:25,675 --> 01:39:29,095
for the portion of the site designated for future phases

1464
01:39:29,725 --> 01:39:32,615
and we will continue to worry unless someone can tell

1465
01:39:32,615 --> 01:39:36,325
us what stops the developer from coming back later and

1466
01:39:36,325 --> 01:39:41,965
asking for even more future phases thank you Mr chair

1467
01:39:41,965 --> 01:39:45,125
all right thank you HM reshape that up next up

1468
01:39:45,155 --> 01:39:48,255
is Kristin and

1469
01:39:48,255 --> 01:39:49,425
Mr

1470
01:39:49,425 --> 01:39:52,955
yes thank you Mr Cher ... my name is christening

1471
01:39:52,985 --> 01:39:55,325
and I'm twenty three years old I was born and

1472
01:39:55,325 --> 01:39:58,465
raised on Cedar four score implement a valley ... growing

1473
01:39:58,465 --> 01:40:00,905
up I was fortunate to participate in many city of

1474
01:40:00,905 --> 01:40:03,035
Markham programs and even got to work for the city

1475
01:40:03,035 --> 01:40:05,575
for four years as a camp counselor and supervisor just

1476
01:40:05,575 --> 01:40:09,035
down the street at the throne community center ... yep

1477
01:40:09,035 --> 01:40:11,765
I hearing about this proposal I'm quite concerned about the

1478
01:40:11,765 --> 01:40:14,855
future of my home almost everything that has already been

1479
01:40:14,855 --> 01:40:17,725
said really comes under the heading of safeguarding the future

1480
01:40:17,995 --> 01:40:20,495
but I particularly want to talk about the neighbourhood walking

1481
01:40:20,495 --> 01:40:24,925
trail and park land

1482
01:40:24,925 --> 01:40:27,835
the developer has proposed a public trail through the development

1483
01:40:27,835 --> 01:40:31,015
which is a good step forward for pedestrian connectivity in

1484
01:40:31,015 --> 01:40:33,605
order to ensure that access cannot be denied by future

1485
01:40:33,605 --> 01:40:37,285
condo board we request that the city secure a public

1486
01:40:37,285 --> 01:40:40,245
easement as well the diagram to the right is taking

1487
01:40:40,245 --> 01:40:43,705
from the existing existing Markham trail not you better start

1488
01:40:43,705 --> 01:40:46,695
indicate where the Cremona mills trail ends and a circle

1489
01:40:46,695 --> 01:40:48,995
where the trail from the new developmental and and as

1490
01:40:48,995 --> 01:40:51,455
you can see there is a gap ... there's currently

1491
01:40:51,455 --> 01:40:54,115
an informal trail in that gap to ensure safety these

1492
01:40:54,115 --> 01:40:56,665
two endpoints need to properly connect over one a creek

1493
01:40:56,665 --> 01:40:58,335
and we trust that the city will work to ensure

1494
01:40:58,335 --> 01:41:01,915
this happens

1495
01:41:01,915 --> 01:41:04,275
so earlier on this year I was actually given the

1496
01:41:04,275 --> 01:41:06,825
opportunity to volunteer the city of Markham and develop a

1497
01:41:06,825 --> 01:41:10,305
project with the sustainability in asset management department tell the

1498
01:41:10,305 --> 01:41:12,385
sitting in their goal of net zero carbon emissions by

1499
01:41:12,385 --> 01:41:15,225
twenty fifteen and working on this project in many so

1500
01:41:15,225 --> 01:41:18,245
really hopeful about our future Markham and their serious commitment

1501
01:41:18,245 --> 01:41:22,275
to the environment yes ladies development is compromising the city's

1502
01:41:22,275 --> 01:41:23,905
volumes

1503
01:41:23,905 --> 01:41:27,185
parkland is extremely important for the community and I was

1504
01:41:27,185 --> 01:41:30,635
appalled to learn of the developers composing no parkland allocation

1505
01:41:31,215 --> 01:41:34,465
... despite potentially adding two thousand five hundred new residents

1506
01:41:34,465 --> 01:41:37,305
in just the first phase of development

1507
01:41:37,305 --> 01:41:40,265
park was very busy for Kobe and our joint experience

1508
01:41:40,295 --> 01:41:42,915
COVID was certainly shown imports of access to green space

1509
01:41:42,915 --> 01:41:46,135
for both physical and mental well being

1510
01:41:46,135 --> 01:41:48,395
I've also learned that the current zoning has a holding

1511
01:41:48,395 --> 01:41:51,275
provision which requires that adequate park land be provided in

1512
01:41:51,275 --> 01:41:53,395
phase one and I hope that the City one says

1513
01:41:53,395 --> 01:41:57,575
I'm not being satisfied

1514
01:41:57,575 --> 01:42:01,115
in closing we understand that development is necessary a growing

1515
01:42:01,115 --> 01:42:04,155
city is a healthy city increasing density within the existing

1516
01:42:04,155 --> 01:42:08,105
boundaries does reduce urban sprawl we also understand that there

1517
01:42:08,105 --> 01:42:11,075
will be new development in our area yeah there are

1518
01:42:11,075 --> 01:42:13,605
other qualities of life to consider when thinking about growth

1519
01:42:13,605 --> 01:42:17,065
and development any new development needs of into the existing

1520
01:42:17,065 --> 01:42:21,655
mature neighbourhood recognize existing pressures on services and transportation and

1521
01:42:21,655 --> 01:42:24,515
be done in the context of all of the development

1522
01:42:24,515 --> 01:42:27,515
under consideration keeping in mind that this is not young

1523
01:42:27,515 --> 01:42:30,035
street

1524
01:42:30,035 --> 01:42:33,035
it is upsetting that the serene peaceful green space of

1525
01:42:33,035 --> 01:42:35,675
the site that has a such biodiversity will be raised

1526
01:42:35,675 --> 01:42:39,745
so that downtown style condominiums he dropped onto it but

1527
01:42:40,035 --> 01:42:42,025
if there's going to be higher as development let's not

1528
01:42:42,025 --> 01:42:44,265
exceed the president's and the area for the building up

1529
01:42:44,495 --> 01:42:47,495
for buildings up to fifteen stories with heights generally kept

1530
01:42:47,495 --> 01:42:50,075
close to the main road

1531
01:42:50,075 --> 01:42:52,085
it does really scare me to think what is going

1532
01:42:52,085 --> 01:42:54,855
to happen if the developer is allowed to build something

1533
01:42:54,855 --> 01:42:57,355
that is even remotely close to what they have proposed

1534
01:42:57,765 --> 01:42:59,765
and I'm not just talking in terms of integration with

1535
01:42:59,765 --> 01:43:02,515
the neighbourhood or the impact on traffic but what it

1536
01:43:02,515 --> 01:43:04,715
would mean for the next development if the new president

1537
01:43:04,745 --> 01:43:07,915
is that

1538
01:43:07,915 --> 01:43:10,515
... enclosing it has been a privilege to grow up

1539
01:43:10,515 --> 01:43:13,285
in such a diverse and welcoming neighborhood speaking to my

1540
01:43:13,285 --> 01:43:15,795
friends and Mona value all agree that staying in this

1541
01:43:15,795 --> 01:43:18,035
neighborhood and raising a family here in this kind of

1542
01:43:18,035 --> 01:43:22,125
environment do you dream of however this proposal if this

1543
01:43:22,125 --> 01:43:25,525
proposal does go forward with that substantial change we all

1544
01:43:25,525 --> 01:43:28,255
feel like we may have to reconsider

1545
01:43:28,255 --> 01:43:30,655
I want to take this time to respect women stocking

1546
01:43:30,655 --> 01:43:33,275
council members that what happens with this development will be

1547
01:43:33,275 --> 01:43:36,405
permanent and the impact is something that we as residents

1548
01:43:36,405 --> 01:43:38,825
will have to live with for decades

1549
01:43:38,825 --> 01:43:41,395
this is our community this is our home and this

1550
01:43:41,395 --> 01:43:44,415
is our future and it's my future so thank you

1551
01:43:44,415 --> 01:43:46,845
Mr chairman of the committee for the opportunity to speak

1552
01:43:46,845 --> 01:43:49,335
to you this evening

1553
01:43:49,335 --> 01:43:52,435
okay thank you Kristin appreciate that ... just before I

1554
01:43:52,435 --> 01:43:55,465
go to Eric Clayton who is first up on our

1555
01:43:55,495 --> 01:43:58,835
list and ... has since joined us ... I wanna

1556
01:43:58,835 --> 01:44:01,715
thank the steering committee the promoter that we steering committee

1557
01:44:01,745 --> 01:44:04,685
on behalf of I think quite comfortably on behalf of

1558
01:44:04,685 --> 01:44:07,435
all of my colleagues on the committee for a very

1559
01:44:07,435 --> 01:44:13,835
thorough and well orchestrated and well coordinated presentation and for

1560
01:44:13,835 --> 01:44:16,935
being respectful of the time limit in it hearing each

1561
01:44:16,935 --> 01:44:19,955
and then dip each and every individual speaker and hearing

1562
01:44:19,955 --> 01:44:22,695
to the time when that ... you've set you've set

1563
01:44:22,695 --> 01:44:26,355
the bar rather high for tonight and ... I appreciated

1564
01:44:26,355 --> 01:44:29,375
so thanks very much for that all rights over to

1565
01:44:29,405 --> 01:44:31,325
Erik Lake and

1566
01:44:31,325 --> 01:44:34,405
thank you Mr chairman and thank you the committee apologize

1567
01:44:34,405 --> 01:44:37,105
for the technical issues that have prevented me from getting

1568
01:44:37,105 --> 01:44:40,875
on zoom so quickly I also just want to say

1569
01:44:40,875 --> 01:44:43,265
thank you to the bone about the steering committee for

1570
01:44:43,265 --> 01:44:47,765
picking up on so many ... salient points I am

1571
01:44:47,765 --> 01:44:51,655
authorized to represent the three boards of directors of the

1572
01:44:51,655 --> 01:44:56,605
landmark condominiums just across the road on Bayview and our

1573
01:44:56,605 --> 01:45:01,625
shared facility common facilities committee we represent nine hundred and

1574
01:45:01,625 --> 01:45:05,905
forty seven units within this complex

1575
01:45:05,905 --> 01:45:09,885
the city of Markham strategic plan building Markham's future together

1576
01:45:09,885 --> 01:45:13,575
contains a number of impressive goals in particular goal three

1577
01:45:13,825 --> 01:45:19,575
safe sustainable and complete community emphasizes we strive to achieve

1578
01:45:19,575 --> 01:45:23,275
complete communities with excellent quality of life

1579
01:45:23,275 --> 01:45:28,495
the quality of life is a serious ... impact with

1580
01:45:28,495 --> 01:45:31,995
the proposed development we are aware that the town of

1581
01:45:31,995 --> 01:45:37,025
market official plan designated properties institutional a hazard the latter

1582
01:45:37,025 --> 01:45:41,835
of which generally prohibits such development notwithstanding that site specific

1583
01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:45,895
policies permit up to seven hundred twenty nine units which

1584
01:45:45,895 --> 01:45:50,385
would include the hospital we understand the application by ...

1585
01:45:50,385 --> 01:45:52,955
seventy seven fifty Bayview

1586
01:45:52,955 --> 01:45:56,605
is six approval to build there are complex in addition

1587
01:45:56,605 --> 01:45:59,735
to the site specific policy it leaves us with the

1588
01:45:59,735 --> 01:46:03,785
capability of adding more towers R. two to the up

1589
01:46:03,785 --> 01:46:06,885
to the area on behalf of the seven hundred and

1590
01:46:06,885 --> 01:46:10,145
forty seven nine hundred forty seven owners which are boards

1591
01:46:10,145 --> 01:46:16,655
represents we want to express our objections for the following

1592
01:46:16,655 --> 01:46:19,175
reasons from the perspective on the other side of being

1593
01:46:19,175 --> 01:46:23,025
you first of all the lands are part of the

1594
01:46:23,025 --> 01:46:26,835
rich heritage as pointed out by the steering committee the

1595
01:46:26,835 --> 01:46:29,355
show that I see is a state has existed in

1596
01:46:29,355 --> 01:46:33,905
its present form providing a hospital for almost seventy years

1597
01:46:34,345 --> 01:46:38,745
a city commitment is preserving the heritage the massive development

1598
01:46:38,785 --> 01:46:43,285
being contemplated paves over the historical ledges legacy

1599
01:46:43,285 --> 01:46:47,415
the subject lands are a wonderful green space in fact

1600
01:46:47,455 --> 01:46:51,615
the proposed zoning includes public spaces it was still have

1601
01:46:51,615 --> 01:46:54,505
a major impact on the environment has been pointed out

1602
01:46:55,185 --> 01:46:59,005
in addition to the proposed are the approved development project

1603
01:46:59,005 --> 01:47:02,455
for while Bayview to try del project that is where

1604
01:47:02,455 --> 01:47:07,315
ham then by plans from Rivera Glenwood proposed time square

1605
01:47:07,315 --> 01:47:10,455
development in foreign hell square

1606
01:47:10,455 --> 01:47:14,715
elad fourteen hundred below grade parking spaces for residents and

1607
01:47:14,715 --> 01:47:19,445
visitors this adds greatly to the native vehicle precedent presence

1608
01:47:19,715 --> 01:47:23,945
we feel this very very strongly in the landmark campus

1609
01:47:24,235 --> 01:47:28,115
because our property is used as a short cut to

1610
01:47:28,115 --> 01:47:31,565
get from a royal orchard through the green lane thereby

1611
01:47:31,655 --> 01:47:39,105
avoiding ... Bayview entirely ... this development what add additional

1612
01:47:39,105 --> 01:47:43,795
traffic on the side street or streets as well we

1613
01:47:43,795 --> 01:47:49,065
have risks of seniors and many ... ... younger apadaz

1614
01:47:49,065 --> 01:47:52,495
tree ins in the area we ask that you denied

1615
01:47:52,495 --> 01:47:56,855
this application and limit the development to that in the

1616
01:47:56,855 --> 01:48:00,115
current official plan that is seven hundred twenty five units

1617
01:48:00,325 --> 01:48:04,745
including all permitted types of of Eunice units thank you

1618
01:48:04,745 --> 01:48:08,035
very much for this opportunity to speak

1619
01:48:08,035 --> 01:48:10,015
all right thank you Eric it was good to tell

1620
01:48:10,015 --> 01:48:11,965
you could join us and but have worked at so

1621
01:48:11,965 --> 01:48:15,905
thank you for your reputation tonight next up is picky

1622
01:48:15,905 --> 01:48:20,435
long thank you

1623
01:48:20,435 --> 01:48:24,595
hi I think you have five minutes great thank you

1624
01:48:24,895 --> 01:48:27,375
so I am on the line I am a resident

1625
01:48:27,375 --> 01:48:31,715
at the Eileen Willowbrook neighbourhood and ... I agree with

1626
01:48:31,715 --> 01:48:35,575
many of what the previous speakers have spoken about ...

1627
01:48:35,575 --> 01:48:39,805
today ... I agree with intensification of the general area

1628
01:48:39,805 --> 01:48:43,035
around Bayview and young in accordance to the official plan

1629
01:48:43,035 --> 01:48:46,865
that's currently in force I'm deeply concerned about the proposal

1630
01:48:46,865 --> 01:48:50,555
that liberty development has put forward to build three colossal

1631
01:48:50,555 --> 01:48:54,155
buildings with five large tower on the show nice property

1632
01:48:54,475 --> 01:48:56,235
thank me because I think it goes beyond what is

1633
01:48:56,235 --> 01:49:00,015
reasonable what is sustainable for the existing community this is

1634
01:49:00,015 --> 01:49:03,445
not just the only major new development for this area

1635
01:49:03,445 --> 01:49:06,175
but we because we know if the additional towers are

1636
01:49:06,175 --> 01:49:08,715
being built by trend out and as well as additional

1637
01:49:08,715 --> 01:49:12,275
powers that are being billed for Thornhill square

1638
01:49:12,275 --> 01:49:15,605
we think that for I think that for Thornhill center

1639
01:49:15,835 --> 01:49:19,455
an area that the official plan has called for as

1640
01:49:19,455 --> 01:49:21,985
a new town center we have not seen any plans

1641
01:49:21,985 --> 01:49:24,725
or visions about what the store knows answer would look

1642
01:49:24,725 --> 01:49:27,895
like so it does feel like John and Bayview is

1643
01:49:27,895 --> 01:49:32,375
being built up an intensified haphazardly without engagement from the

1644
01:49:32,375 --> 01:49:36,185
community our planning from the experts this is going to

1645
01:49:36,185 --> 01:49:40,315
result in a in additional influx of of people on

1646
01:49:40,315 --> 01:49:43,735
lease two thousand twenty five hundred people and I think

1647
01:49:43,735 --> 01:49:47,375
many of the previous speakers have spoken very eloquently about

1648
01:49:47,375 --> 01:49:52,025
the impacts of traffic the lack of ... high of

1649
01:49:52,025 --> 01:49:56,175
... kind of heightened density transit that is available the

1650
01:49:56,175 --> 01:50:00,605
limited infrastructure when it comes to things like stormwater armed

1651
01:50:00,635 --> 01:50:04,025
or capacity are when it comes when we're thinking about

1652
01:50:04,025 --> 01:50:07,625
flooding and then demands on the community center as well

1653
01:50:07,625 --> 01:50:12,015
as well so I would like to see the city

1654
01:50:12,175 --> 01:50:16,365
and the staff hire experts to that specialize in holistic

1655
01:50:16,365 --> 01:50:20,035
urban design of the town centre to redesign John in

1656
01:50:20,035 --> 01:50:24,845
Bayview appropriately with mid rise building the planned infrastructure and

1657
01:50:24,845 --> 01:50:28,885
design Thornhill center to accommodate the additional people that will

1658
01:50:28,885 --> 01:50:31,845
be coming so that is the wording ... community will

1659
01:50:31,845 --> 01:50:34,805
be a thriving place for people to work play and

1660
01:50:34,805 --> 01:50:36,555
live

1661
01:50:36,555 --> 01:50:44,735
so thank you

1662
01:50:44,735 --> 01:50:46,215
thank you

1663
01:50:46,215 --> 01:50:53,225
yeah next UP is Ian Goldberg

1664
01:50:53,225 --> 01:50:55,985
Mr chan members of the committee thank you for the

1665
01:50:55,985 --> 01:50:59,415
opportunity to speak tonight my name is Ian Goldberg and

1666
01:50:59,415 --> 01:51:02,735
I'm a resident of the Pomona fatty I am deeply

1667
01:51:02,735 --> 01:51:06,285
concerned about the proposed liberty project on the shoulder Austin

1668
01:51:06,985 --> 01:51:10,765
I strongly believe that the proposed project is completely out

1669
01:51:10,765 --> 01:51:14,075
of sync with the character of the existing neighbourhood and

1670
01:51:14,075 --> 01:51:17,415
if allowed to be extremely prejudicial to the quality of

1671
01:51:17,415 --> 01:51:19,355
life in our community

1672
01:51:19,355 --> 01:51:21,565
I would like to address a few of my specific

1673
01:51:21,565 --> 01:51:23,905
concerns with you

1674
01:51:23,905 --> 01:51:26,895
I have lived in the Pomona valley and the synergy

1675
01:51:26,895 --> 01:51:31,315
for twenty five years in that time traffic and development

1676
01:51:31,315 --> 01:51:34,595
has increased substantially in Thornhill as the one who has

1677
01:51:34,595 --> 01:51:37,835
developed along with Richmond hill and most of the York

1678
01:51:37,835 --> 01:51:41,265
region our infrastructure has not kept pace with this at

1679
01:51:41,295 --> 01:51:45,005
all and now we face traffic gridlock in a very

1680
01:51:45,005 --> 01:51:49,065
long commute home from work our working downtown Toronto in

1681
01:51:49,065 --> 01:51:52,525
pre coated to drive home from finch subway has had

1682
01:51:52,525 --> 01:51:56,935
been quite easy until a few years ago when it

1683
01:51:56,935 --> 01:51:59,795
becomes had become very long and stressful after a day

1684
01:51:59,795 --> 01:52:02,885
of work I would drive north along Henderson to John

1685
01:52:02,915 --> 01:52:06,315
cross over John to the Pomona fatty it was an

1686
01:52:06,315 --> 01:52:08,635
effort to strike before as I see it but in

1687
01:52:08,635 --> 01:52:12,155
recent years the drive can take twenty to thirty minutes

1688
01:52:12,155 --> 01:52:16,075
from steel and Henderson to my hood as everyone knows

1689
01:52:16,075 --> 01:52:19,195
John street is completely jam flappy three hours a day

1690
01:52:19,485 --> 01:52:22,175
from the intersection of John Henderson to the intersection of

1691
01:52:22,175 --> 01:52:23,805
John and Bayview

1692
01:52:23,805 --> 01:52:26,435
the problem is I'm sure the Markham traffic experts will

1693
01:52:26,435 --> 01:52:30,165
acknowledge is at the intersection John and baby I know

1694
01:52:30,165 --> 01:52:30,655
that mom

1695
01:52:30,655 --> 01:52:33,455
can this tried various ways of controlling the traffic lights

1696
01:52:33,455 --> 01:52:37,155
at that intersection and I truly appreciate their efforts but

1697
01:52:37,155 --> 01:52:40,315
it has proved difficult to arrive at a solution because

1698
01:52:40,465 --> 01:52:44,285
easing the congestion on John street increases the congestion on

1699
01:52:44,285 --> 01:52:45,595
baby

1700
01:52:45,595 --> 01:52:49,445
S. core of course is everyone here tonight appreciates liberties

1701
01:52:49,445 --> 01:52:52,965
proposal is for a massive increase in density at the

1702
01:52:52,965 --> 01:52:58,115
precise point of maximum pressure Bayview and John I respectfully

1703
01:52:58,115 --> 01:53:01,795
submit that a high density build will substantially increase the

1704
01:53:01,795 --> 01:53:05,325
existing traffic problem we need to make the assumption but

1705
01:53:05,355 --> 01:53:07,905
that by early next year cope what code will be

1706
01:53:07,905 --> 01:53:11,315
behind us and that these traffic issues will once again

1707
01:53:11,315 --> 01:53:15,775
be major daily issues for the lives of all residents

1708
01:53:15,775 --> 01:53:18,255
I'd like to next address the nature of the project

1709
01:53:18,255 --> 01:53:23,205
itself I honestly find a truly depressing that all mature

1710
01:53:23,205 --> 01:53:26,965
community is under such a grave threat from the company

1711
01:53:27,305 --> 01:53:30,985
which is proposing the project which is so completely and

1712
01:53:30,985 --> 01:53:36,005
fundamentally incompatible with the existing neighbourhood

1713
01:53:36,005 --> 01:53:38,925
the Pomona valley neighborhood has been around for almost fifteen

1714
01:53:38,925 --> 01:53:43,335
years fifty years and this proposed project entirely disregards the

1715
01:53:43,335 --> 01:53:45,565
character nature of the area

1716
01:53:45,565 --> 01:53:48,825
the proposed project does not in any way harmonize or

1717
01:53:48,825 --> 01:53:52,865
blend in with the existing neighbourhood and I will submit

1718
01:53:52,865 --> 01:53:57,385
to be permanently destructive to the existing neighbourhood

1719
01:53:57,385 --> 01:54:00,375
liberty's proposal would make a lot of sense in my

1720
01:54:00,375 --> 01:54:02,915
view if it was to be built at young in

1721
01:54:02,915 --> 01:54:06,205
college or young and Eglington but it makes no sense

1722
01:54:06,205 --> 01:54:08,745
at all on the beautiful shoulder last lands in a

1723
01:54:08,745 --> 01:54:13,545
residential area of mature single family houses with there is

1724
01:54:13,545 --> 01:54:18,345
a valuable valuable belt of greenery and a real community

1725
01:54:18,345 --> 01:54:25,205
the T. is literally proposing building multiple skyscraper skyscrapers overlooking

1726
01:54:25,205 --> 01:54:29,445
residents homes in a pristine and beautiful area of low

1727
01:54:29,445 --> 01:54:34,145
rise single family residences bail proposing massive density in an

1728
01:54:34,145 --> 01:54:39,595
area which quite obviously lacks the infrastructure to support it

1729
01:54:39,595 --> 01:54:42,985
they are proposing to fundamentally change the area full time

1730
01:54:43,405 --> 01:54:46,275
when we purchased our homes and made this part of

1731
01:54:46,275 --> 01:54:50,775
Markham L. community we had a reasonable expectation that we

1732
01:54:50,775 --> 01:54:54,125
could continue to live in the area when we which

1733
01:54:54,125 --> 01:54:56,635
and we did not expect that builders would be seeking

1734
01:54:56,635 --> 01:55:02,345
to build multiple highrises including the thirty fourth storey skyscraper

1735
01:55:02,405 --> 01:55:07,065
overlooking outhouses and of course Markham's current regulations do not

1736
01:55:07,065 --> 01:55:10,015
permit anything of the sort

1737
01:55:10,015 --> 01:55:11,915
many years ago when I made my home in the

1738
01:55:11,915 --> 01:55:15,905
Pomona fed you I like my neighbors was attracted by

1739
01:55:15,905 --> 01:55:19,765
the greenery the quality of the schools the serenity the

1740
01:55:19,765 --> 01:55:23,165
quiet and peaceful neighborhood and the opportunity to raise my

1741
01:55:23,165 --> 01:55:26,635
family in a very special area within the town of

1742
01:55:26,635 --> 01:55:29,785
mock incident was I never wanted to live in young

1743
01:55:29,785 --> 01:55:33,815
in college in congested surroundings if I'd wanted to do

1744
01:55:33,815 --> 01:55:36,345
so I would have thought in that area all those

1745
01:55:36,345 --> 01:55:39,325
years ago of course had I done so I would

1746
01:55:39,325 --> 01:55:42,205
have at least had the benefits of such in areas

1747
01:55:42,205 --> 01:55:45,995
such as effective infrastructure I don't want young and college

1748
01:55:45,995 --> 01:55:49,005
streets to be brought up your full neighbourhood and I

1749
01:55:49,005 --> 01:55:52,695
would humbly and respectfully request that the city of Markham

1750
01:55:52,695 --> 01:55:55,475
should not allow this to happen

1751
01:55:55,475 --> 01:55:58,735
if the proposed project goes ahead the quality of our

1752
01:55:58,735 --> 01:56:01,445
day to die lots will decline the value of the

1753
01:56:01,445 --> 01:56:03,815
homes with a road and Markham will be a far

1754
01:56:03,815 --> 01:56:07,335
less desirable place to live the wonderful quality of life

1755
01:56:07,335 --> 01:56:10,905
that we've enjoyed in our beautiful community will be substantially

1756
01:56:10,905 --> 01:56:14,565
diminished the issue the issue is a huge issue for

1757
01:56:14,565 --> 01:56:17,385
us is the residents of Markham but it will not

1758
01:56:17,385 --> 01:56:20,175
be liberties problem as they will have moved on to

1759
01:56:20,175 --> 01:56:24,965
the next project thank you very much for your time

1760
01:56:24,965 --> 01:56:27,025
all right thank you

1761
01:56:27,025 --> 01:56:30,015
thank you in ... just a reminder that we welcome

1762
01:56:30,015 --> 01:56:33,635
and encourage participation by members of the public if you

1763
01:56:33,635 --> 01:56:36,665
would like to speak at tonight's meeting in your following

1764
01:56:36,665 --> 01:56:39,925
the meeting on the live stream please contact the city

1765
01:56:39,925 --> 01:56:42,495
clerk's office at the email or phone number that appears

1766
01:56:42,495 --> 01:56:45,455
at the bottom and that is clerks public at Markham

1767
01:56:45,455 --> 01:56:49,615
dot CA or nine oh five four seven nine seven

1768
01:56:49,615 --> 01:56:52,625
seven six zero

1769
01:56:52,625 --> 01:57:00,575
next up is

1770
01:57:00,575 --> 01:57:05,315
Martin churi Martin

1771
01:57:05,315 --> 01:57:07,645
thank you Mr chairman I hope the rest you can

1772
01:57:07,805 --> 01:57:11,465
I trust you can hear me yes

1773
01:57:11,465 --> 01:57:15,235
I'm I had more extensive

1774
01:57:15,235 --> 01:57:19,215
comments prepared with given the quality in detail the we've

1775
01:57:19,215 --> 01:57:21,535
heard from other residents

1776
01:57:21,535 --> 01:57:23,625
I'm gonna skip over some of that and get to

1777
01:57:23,625 --> 01:57:25,295
a couple of points that I don't think I've been

1778
01:57:25,295 --> 01:57:27,205
raised

1779
01:57:27,205 --> 01:57:29,685
my name is Martin to worry either forty nine forest

1780
01:57:29,685 --> 01:57:32,795
park crescent in Markham's Ward one

1781
01:57:32,795 --> 01:57:35,035
my family and I moved here twenty six years ago

1782
01:57:35,035 --> 01:57:39,585
it's a wonderful area

1783
01:57:39,585 --> 01:57:45,425
very briefly the proposed density and height for the development

1784
01:57:45,425 --> 01:57:48,625
the liberty ... that this company is looking to do

1785
01:57:48,625 --> 01:57:52,185
on shoulder east is just so over the top it's

1786
01:57:52,185 --> 01:57:53,745
unbelievable

1787
01:57:53,745 --> 01:57:58,535
it simply doesn't fit with the character of the neighborhood

1788
01:57:58,535 --> 01:58:03,235
secondly the proposed development is ill suited to this location

1789
01:58:03,235 --> 01:58:09,175
and we've heard about transit traffic schools libraries all the

1790
01:58:09,175 --> 01:58:11,895
infrastructure that makes this a wonderful neighborhood in which to

1791
01:58:11,895 --> 01:58:16,085
live we'll all come under tremendous pressure

1792
01:58:16,085 --> 01:58:19,855
and these concerns are not adequately addressed in the proposal

1793
01:58:19,945 --> 01:58:23,945
or sorry seven fifty baby

1794
01:58:23,945 --> 01:58:26,845
we're currently looking only at phase one

1795
01:58:26,845 --> 01:58:30,335
so anything that is agreed to for this phase we

1796
01:58:30,335 --> 01:58:36,975
can expect even more of in subsequent phases

1797
01:58:36,975 --> 01:58:40,015
York region is setting a target intensification of the city

1798
01:58:40,015 --> 01:58:43,195
of Markham of seventy five to eighty percent over the

1799
01:58:43,195 --> 01:58:46,565
next thirty years are we heard this from all bottom

1800
01:58:46,565 --> 01:58:51,165
leave York region in his presentation on April nineteenth

1801
01:58:51,165 --> 01:58:54,775
I know those numbers aren't final but I get the

1802
01:58:54,775 --> 01:58:58,205
sense that that level of intensification is coming to America

1803
01:58:58,655 --> 01:59:01,775
and I don't I don't have a problem with that

1804
01:59:01,775 --> 01:59:04,135
let's take a look a word one which currently has

1805
01:59:04,135 --> 01:59:07,195
forty five thousand residents

1806
01:59:07,195 --> 01:59:13,085
several already approved developments most significantly blank staff gateway will

1807
01:59:13,085 --> 01:59:17,155
increase the population award won by the divisional thirty four

1808
01:59:17,155 --> 01:59:21,235
thousand residents were seventy five percent

1809
01:59:21,235 --> 01:59:27,585
meeting the 30 year intensification intensification goal for the area

1810
01:59:27,585 --> 01:59:31,615
further high intensity developments expected particularly around young street and

1811
01:59:31,615 --> 01:59:35,015
Steeles Avenue at around young street and were a larger

1812
01:59:35,285 --> 01:59:38,515
sites that are far better suited for the level of

1813
01:59:38,515 --> 01:59:42,995
intensification that's being proposed on the shoulders plans

1814
01:59:42,995 --> 01:59:46,585
the city American does not need to approve this ad

1815
01:59:46,585 --> 01:59:50,465
hoc high density project in order to meet its long

1816
01:59:50,465 --> 01:59:54,975
term intensification calls

1817
01:59:54,975 --> 01:59:59,625
Mr chairman I strongly urge development services committee and the

1818
01:59:59,625 --> 02:00:03,705
city of Markham to stick to the existing plan

1819
02:00:03,705 --> 02:00:06,475
do not amend the current limits has requested in the

1820
02:00:06,475 --> 02:00:08,085
proposal

1821
02:00:08,085 --> 02:00:11,905
further if the city does decide to modify the current

1822
02:00:11,905 --> 02:00:16,785
zoning or density for this site please first undertake comprehensive

1823
02:00:16,785 --> 02:00:21,775
plan for the future of this area around Bayview Angela

1824
02:00:21,775 --> 02:00:24,685
it's a wonderful area

1825
02:00:24,685 --> 02:00:27,705
let's not spoil

1826
02:00:27,705 --> 02:00:32,295
instead let's use careful planning and appropriate development to make

1827
02:00:32,295 --> 02:00:33,965
it even better

1828
02:00:33,965 --> 02:00:35,935
thank you for your time

1829
02:00:35,935 --> 02:00:43,095
all right thank you Martin next up Jennifer Copeland

1830
02:00:43,095 --> 02:00:46,645
I hi Jennifer yeah follow yes I'm here thank you

1831
02:00:46,645 --> 02:00:49,515
very much

1832
02:00:49,515 --> 02:00:52,565
the thank you Mr chair of for the opportunity to

1833
02:00:52,565 --> 02:00:55,405
speak on this important matter

1834
02:00:55,405 --> 02:00:57,935
I speak to you this evening as your average Joe

1835
02:00:57,935 --> 02:01:01,735
public I've never done anything in the public sphere like

1836
02:01:01,735 --> 02:01:04,765
this and yet I felt compelled to speak at this

1837
02:01:04,765 --> 02:01:08,435
meeting because of what I feel is the massively excessive

1838
02:01:08,435 --> 02:01:11,015
nature of this proposal

1839
02:01:11,015 --> 02:01:13,525
some of my remarks you may have already heard in

1840
02:01:13,525 --> 02:01:17,165
a slightly different format from another speaker but they bear

1841
02:01:17,165 --> 02:01:21,535
hearing again for emphasis and to convey the widespread opposition

1842
02:01:21,535 --> 02:01:26,705
to the proposal under discussion as it is currently defined

1843
02:01:26,705 --> 02:01:31,335
to place the proposal in context consider the following

1844
02:01:31,335 --> 02:01:34,485
directly across the street on the east side of Bayview

1845
02:01:34,805 --> 02:01:38,255
the existing landmark of Thornhill buildings are twelve to fifteen

1846
02:01:38,255 --> 02:01:40,185
storeys each

1847
02:01:40,185 --> 02:01:43,895
to the north the royal bank if you condominiums on

1848
02:01:43,895 --> 02:01:46,305
the adjacent lands sold by the trying to ladies golf

1849
02:01:46,305 --> 02:01:49,755
course would be twelve and fourteen stories

1850
02:01:49,755 --> 02:01:54,155
the application to redevelop Thornhill square proposes buildings that will

1851
02:01:54,155 --> 02:01:57,675
range from eight to fifteen stories

1852
02:01:57,675 --> 02:02:01,565
close by there's an application to redevelop thirty six to

1853
02:02:01,565 --> 02:02:05,675
sixty Steeles Avenue east and thirty seven to sixty three

1854
02:02:05,865 --> 02:02:09,335
highland park Boulevard the proposed is the building of two

1855
02:02:09,335 --> 02:02:13,935
thirteen story and two eight story buildings note that this

1856
02:02:13,935 --> 02:02:16,125
is very close to young and stills which is of

1857
02:02:16,125 --> 02:02:20,315
great significance both as an intersection of two major traffic

1858
02:02:20,315 --> 02:02:24,765
arteries and for being within steps of the proposed subway

1859
02:02:24,765 --> 02:02:28,055
station to be built as part of the young north

1860
02:02:28,175 --> 02:02:33,355
subway extension and still this is a very reasonable application

1861
02:02:33,355 --> 02:02:36,255
for such a significant location

1862
02:02:36,255 --> 02:02:40,595
in fact all of the previously mentioned buildings are reasonable

1863
02:02:40,625 --> 02:02:45,005
for their locations all are consistent with similar nearby buildings

1864
02:02:45,065 --> 02:02:50,545
existing or planned and all are respectful of adjacent existing

1865
02:02:50,575 --> 02:02:56,665
residential neighborhoods even under current dozens densification directives the criteria

1866
02:02:56,665 --> 02:03:01,825
of reasonable lady consistency and respect are still mandate for

1867
02:03:01,825 --> 02:03:04,025
good urban design

1868
02:03:04,025 --> 02:03:07,265
the proposal for seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue is none

1869
02:03:07,265 --> 02:03:10,825
of these things it is not reasonable for the location

1870
02:03:11,265 --> 02:03:16,365
is not consistent with similar nearby buildings the maximum proposed

1871
02:03:16,365 --> 02:03:19,245
height of thirty five stories is more than twice what

1872
02:03:19,245 --> 02:03:21,105
should be permitted

1873
02:03:21,105 --> 02:03:24,525
buildings of eighteen twenty one twenty four thirty one and

1874
02:03:24,525 --> 02:03:31,145
thirty five stories are all completely inappropriate for that site

1875
02:03:31,145 --> 02:03:36,425
the excessive increased population would overwhelm local infrastructure in terms

1876
02:03:36,425 --> 02:03:41,065
of the impact to traffic public transit shopping schools recreation

1877
02:03:41,065 --> 02:03:45,965
facilities and available green space and because of this I

1878
02:03:45,965 --> 02:03:48,995
find that the proposal is not in any way respectful

1879
02:03:49,085 --> 02:03:51,385
of the adjacent community

1880
02:03:51,385 --> 02:03:53,735
it is difficult to know whether the proposal as a

1881
02:03:53,735 --> 02:03:57,285
cynical ploy to ask for the moon expecting that it

1882
02:03:57,285 --> 02:03:59,395
will be cut back to what the developer has in

1883
02:03:59,395 --> 02:04:01,125
mind anyway

1884
02:04:01,125 --> 02:04:04,135
or whether the developer has the audacity to think that

1885
02:04:04,135 --> 02:04:07,535
the City of mark would actually approve such an excessive

1886
02:04:07,535 --> 02:04:09,105
proposal

1887
02:04:09,105 --> 02:04:13,955
in conclusion this proposal fails the test of reasonable eighty

1888
02:04:14,205 --> 02:04:18,775
consistency and respect for the community and therefore urge committee

1889
02:04:18,775 --> 02:04:22,075
members in the city of Markham to reject it as

1890
02:04:22,075 --> 02:04:25,395
it is currently proposed we all of us want to

1891
02:04:25,395 --> 02:04:28,125
see for hill to continue to grow as a vibrant

1892
02:04:28,125 --> 02:04:30,305
successful community

1893
02:04:30,305 --> 02:04:34,555
growth is inevitable and in fact should be embraced Thornhill

1894
02:04:34,555 --> 02:04:38,045
square is a perfect example of a long overdue need

1895
02:04:38,145 --> 02:04:42,605
for revitalization so we need development but we need the

1896
02:04:42,605 --> 02:04:47,415
development the proposal for seventy seven fifty Bayview would not

1897
02:04:47,455 --> 02:04:49,675
provide good development

1898
02:04:49,675 --> 02:04:53,675
thank you Mr chairman this concludes my remarks

1899
02:04:53,675 --> 02:04:58,485
thank you Jennifer appreciate that next up is Brian Fisher

1900
02:04:58,485 --> 02:05:02,505
Ryan you have 5 minutes

1901
02:05:02,505 --> 02:05:05,505
thank you Mr chairman press you can hear me

1902
02:05:05,505 --> 02:05:07,085
yes

1903
02:05:07,085 --> 02:05:11,035
... good evening my name is Bryan Fischer residents are

1904
02:05:11,035 --> 02:05:14,785
held for more than forty years and I represent the

1905
02:05:14,815 --> 02:05:18,465
executive board one so formula residents there I look at

1906
02:05:18,465 --> 02:05:22,685
seventy Julia street your order maybe even drawn much for

1907
02:05:22,685 --> 02:05:24,455
what I have to say you heard in the fine

1908
02:05:24,455 --> 02:05:27,705
print suggestion made by the owner group I think there's

1909
02:05:27,705 --> 02:05:30,225
strength in repetition

1910
02:05:30,225 --> 02:05:33,085
we do not support the current proposal to redevelop the

1911
02:05:33,085 --> 02:05:37,675
shoulders all property because of the excess of height and

1912
02:05:37,675 --> 02:05:42,245
density a lack of transit and the incompatibility with the

1913
02:05:42,245 --> 02:05:45,085
heritage buildings the neighbourhood

1914
02:05:45,085 --> 02:05:48,755
also needs to demonstrate more respect for the wildlife order

1915
02:05:48,755 --> 02:05:52,365
along more creek as well as for the residents in

1916
02:05:52,365 --> 02:05:53,905
the area

1917
02:05:53,905 --> 02:05:57,375
the project should be no higher than eight stories the

1918
02:05:57,375 --> 02:06:02,625
maximum overall slight density of through floor space index

1919
02:06:02,625 --> 02:06:05,845
this would be compatible with the mark I'm official plan

1920
02:06:05,845 --> 02:06:09,265
of two thousand and fourteen which was based on all

1921
02:06:09,265 --> 02:06:14,575
stakeholder parties coming together to agree on these density light

1922
02:06:14,995 --> 02:06:16,485
armors

1923
02:06:16,485 --> 02:06:20,015
the project lacks a vision and compatibility with the existing

1924
02:06:20,375 --> 02:06:25,035
heritage buildings in the surrounding neighbourhood is exceptional heritage site

1925
02:06:25,035 --> 02:06:28,365
as an integral part of historic foreign help and it

1926
02:06:28,365 --> 02:06:30,865
should be preserved and respected

1927
02:06:30,865 --> 02:06:33,665
there needs to be a more robust green way protection

1928
02:06:33,665 --> 02:06:37,525
area to reserve the natural heritage while white order and

1929
02:06:37,525 --> 02:06:39,475
biodiversity

1930
02:06:39,475 --> 02:06:42,365
there is no ... from school he's the plan or

1931
02:06:42,365 --> 02:06:47,635
design criteria for the immediate area to accommodate the numerous

1932
02:06:47,635 --> 02:06:52,395
development projects which less far include this one or elsewhere

1933
02:06:52,395 --> 02:06:56,295
plaza we try to development on former land so the

1934
02:06:56,295 --> 02:06:59,425
Florida ladies golf club all of these need to be

1935
02:06:59,425 --> 02:07:03,595
worked out together decide on an acceptable criteria for height

1936
02:07:03,595 --> 02:07:10,655
and density and understand resulting community impacts for the outside

1937
02:07:10,685 --> 02:07:15,475
under discussion now low rise design searchers awards stage ...

1938
02:07:15,475 --> 02:07:21,615
Sunnybrook hospital be a major enhancement the currently proposed unimaginable

1939
02:07:21,615 --> 02:07:26,435
concrete and glass high rises

1940
02:07:26,435 --> 02:07:30,775
there is no higher order transit support the proposed density

1941
02:07:31,305 --> 02:07:35,285
debut Abby was not designated for intensification and there will

1942
02:07:35,285 --> 02:07:38,915
be severe traffic issues specially on drums Street and roll

1943
02:07:38,915 --> 02:07:40,395
orchard

1944
02:07:40,395 --> 02:07:44,655
these forty kilometer hour per hour two lane streets are

1945
02:07:44,825 --> 02:07:49,735
the only East West arterials roadways in the area connecting

1946
02:07:49,735 --> 02:07:52,005
to young street

1947
02:07:52,005 --> 02:07:55,765
the entire park land allocation which would be provided on

1948
02:07:55,765 --> 02:08:00,395
this site especially since far hills experienced over crowded parks

1949
02:08:00,395 --> 02:08:04,695
during the open pandemic the availability of our plans next

1950
02:08:04,855 --> 02:08:07,745
three main portent for the health and well being of

1951
02:08:07,835 --> 02:08:12,055
our residents so we respectfully submit these concerns for your

1952
02:08:12,055 --> 02:08:16,185
consideration and your resolution and I thank you Mr chairman

1953
02:08:16,185 --> 02:08:18,745
the opportunity to speak

1954
02:08:18,745 --> 02:08:28,455
all right thank you Brian next up is Stanley and

1955
02:08:28,455 --> 02:08:30,995
Stanley are you

1956
02:08:30,995 --> 02:08:34,065
are you there at the other

1957
02:08:34,065 --> 02:08:36,705
I understand you have 5 minutes

1958
02:08:36,705 --> 02:08:39,575
thank you ... good evening ... my name is Stanley

1959
02:08:39,575 --> 02:08:42,965
ng and ... I'd like to thank ... the sale

1960
02:08:42,965 --> 02:08:46,275
marketing for the opportunity to speak on a subject that

1961
02:08:46,275 --> 02:08:50,445
will have a lasting and transformative impact on Thornhill I

1962
02:08:50,445 --> 02:08:53,725
lived in formula over twenty six years I move to

1963
02:08:53,725 --> 02:08:57,885
the audio because of his reputation so triangle and pastore

1964
02:08:58,235 --> 02:09:02,265
place to live and raise a family however this amendment

1965
02:09:02,265 --> 02:09:06,225
would transform this historic community into a dense community of

1966
02:09:06,225 --> 02:09:09,735
highrises that will be very similar to the lake shore

1967
02:09:09,735 --> 02:09:12,275
in Toronto and young street

1968
02:09:12,275 --> 02:09:14,985
for this reason I strongly oppose the amendment proposed by

1969
02:09:14,985 --> 02:09:19,215
delivery development to the Markham official plan does not currently

1970
02:09:19,215 --> 02:09:23,595
designed for make ... you slash make rice development

1971
02:09:23,595 --> 02:09:27,245
there are 3 reasons for my opposition the first

1972
02:09:27,245 --> 02:09:31,475
is that liberty development proposal is out of character with

1973
02:09:31,985 --> 02:09:35,835
depth on your community Thornhill is a mature community steep

1974
02:09:35,835 --> 02:09:38,945
in history and then deal with a living heritage that

1975
02:09:38,945 --> 02:09:42,105
can be felt just by walking along John street I

1976
02:09:42,105 --> 02:09:45,965
do not believe that development with five highrises all jamming

1977
02:09:45,965 --> 02:09:50,355
to about nine acres is compatible with a vibrant community

1978
02:09:50,385 --> 02:09:53,265
that treasures and respect the pass

1979
02:09:53,265 --> 02:09:56,435
I am not opposed to development they try down development

1980
02:09:56,465 --> 02:09:59,945
on that Toronto ladies golf club is a good example

1981
02:10:00,255 --> 02:10:03,755
where the developer work with our citizens to bill approach

1982
02:10:03,755 --> 02:10:06,515
I just very much in keeping with the character of

1983
02:10:06,515 --> 02:10:10,465
the community with two towers of fourteen and twelve storage

1984
02:10:10,995 --> 02:10:14,195
try does development placing with Thornhill

1985
02:10:14,195 --> 02:10:18,655
liberties development plans both activations and Erica additions because there's

1986
02:10:18,655 --> 02:10:22,305
no attempt to adopted development to the characters Don hill

1987
02:10:22,785 --> 02:10:26,545
arrogant because liberty is not listening to the community there

1988
02:10:26,545 --> 02:10:29,925
is development is more suited to regional corridors such as

1989
02:10:29,925 --> 02:10:33,655
those along highway four seven and young street where DR

1990
02:10:33,655 --> 02:10:38,455
infrastructures to support such massive developments Thornhill is far lower

1991
02:10:38,455 --> 02:10:42,835
on intensification scale because it does not have the infrastructure

1992
02:10:42,835 --> 02:10:46,205
or order support services to accommodate one thousand two hundred

1993
02:10:46,205 --> 02:10:48,825
and eighty seven new units would be even more to

1994
02:10:48,825 --> 02:10:51,105
come in their faces

1995
02:10:51,105 --> 02:10:53,865
this leads me to my second concern and does traffic

1996
02:10:53,865 --> 02:10:55,065
flow

1997
02:10:55,065 --> 02:10:57,425
as I drive to my office in Toronto every day

1998
02:10:57,625 --> 02:11:00,895
just a constant and heavy streamer traffic from cities north

1999
02:11:00,895 --> 02:11:05,285
of Markham creating congestion and delays the reverse flow in

2000
02:11:05,285 --> 02:11:07,985
the evening we turn home is no different

2001
02:11:07,985 --> 02:11:10,705
the increase in funding of tribe which forced many drivers

2002
02:11:10,705 --> 02:11:14,395
to seek alternate routes including John street in both directions

2003
02:11:14,395 --> 02:11:19,015
between Bayview and young for anyone who traverses John street

2004
02:11:19,015 --> 02:11:22,975
during the rush hours is this a painstakingly long drive

2005
02:11:22,975 --> 02:11:25,045
when I used to take my children to music classic

2006
02:11:25,045 --> 02:11:28,385
six PM it takes about ten minutes to reach Bayview

2007
02:11:28,495 --> 02:11:33,185
from Henderson a long time adjusting over near one kilometer

2008
02:11:33,745 --> 02:11:36,185
my understanding is that there are no plans to widening

2009
02:11:36,185 --> 02:11:39,765
bagel Avenue north for steals until twenty thirty at the

2010
02:11:39,765 --> 02:11:43,415
earliest Toronto also crew has no plans to widen Bayview

2011
02:11:43,415 --> 02:11:45,195
so for steals

2012
02:11:45,195 --> 02:11:48,075
the result is that liberty development proposal is better on

2013
02:11:48,075 --> 02:11:50,955
a winding off baby out when you yes a decade

2014
02:11:50,955 --> 02:11:53,385
away and may never occur

2015
02:11:53,385 --> 02:11:56,255
even the one it does take place

2016
02:11:56,255 --> 02:11:59,865
do only funnel traffic into a more narrow Bayview Avenue

2017
02:12:00,045 --> 02:12:03,895
south of Steeles Avenue this is not public landing and

2018
02:12:03,895 --> 02:12:07,285
there is no such roads infrastructure in place to support

2019
02:12:07,285 --> 02:12:10,265
such a substantial groping traffic

2020
02:12:10,265 --> 02:12:13,575
what their concern is enjoyment of life namely access to

2021
02:12:13,575 --> 02:12:15,505
parks and green space

2022
02:12:15,505 --> 02:12:19,535
it liberty development office limited additional green space meeting our

2023
02:12:19,535 --> 02:12:23,355
current available parks such as promoting bills will be overwhelmed

2024
02:12:23,785 --> 02:12:27,385
even now for Mona it's filled with visitors nightly and

2025
02:12:27,385 --> 02:12:30,905
especially on weekends this is a welcome sight Mr green

2026
02:12:30,905 --> 02:12:35,275
space should be accessible to everyone however with so many

2027
02:12:35,275 --> 02:12:38,835
new resident of residential units and more to come the

2028
02:12:38,835 --> 02:12:42,515
Mona is not sustainable well additional parks we will be

2029
02:12:42,545 --> 02:12:45,875
which a point where there will be overcrowded and enjoyment

2030
02:12:45,875 --> 02:12:48,905
open space would be severely limited

2031
02:12:48,905 --> 02:12:52,285
in closing I asked a city ... so a Markham

2032
02:12:52,285 --> 02:12:56,265
city councillors when deciding where to approved amendment what kind

2033
02:12:56,265 --> 02:12:58,965
of city it once though hello once what don't have

2034
02:12:58,965 --> 02:13:01,335
to look like in the future but the one who

2035
02:13:01,335 --> 02:13:05,645
will be history heritage triangle living in one or one

2036
02:13:05,645 --> 02:13:09,925
dominated by high prices congestion and delays I urge the

2037
02:13:09,925 --> 02:13:13,625
development services committee to reject amendment and work with that

2038
02:13:13,685 --> 02:13:17,295
community to address land development that's more in character with

2039
02:13:17,295 --> 02:13:21,465
historic Thornhill thank you and the Instacart's

2040
02:13:21,465 --> 02:13:23,535
right thank you Stanley

2041
02:13:23,535 --> 02:13:29,525
next is Joan Anderton

2042
02:13:29,525 --> 02:13:32,315
hello Mister Sherman can you hear me if we can

2043
02:13:32,315 --> 02:13:34,935
hear you can you turn your video on jump on

2044
02:13:34,935 --> 02:13:36,305
just a second

2045
02:13:36,305 --> 02:13:37,975
there we go

2046
02:13:37,975 --> 02:13:42,015
you've got 5 minutes thank you very much Mr chairman

2047
02:13:42,015 --> 02:13:44,375
thank you very much Mr chairman for the opportunity to

2048
02:13:44,375 --> 02:13:47,705
speak to the development services committee this evening I am

2049
02:13:47,705 --> 02:13:50,835
here to represent ladies golf club of Toronto and to

2050
02:13:50,835 --> 02:13:54,125
speak in opposition to the application submitted by seventy seven

2051
02:13:54,125 --> 02:13:56,835
fifty Bayview limited partnership

2052
02:13:56,835 --> 02:13:59,445
ladies owns a hundred and thirty acres of land in

2053
02:13:59,445 --> 02:14:02,925
Thornhill extending from young street in the west to Bayview

2054
02:14:02,925 --> 02:14:06,505
Avenue in the east south of royal orchard Boulevard

2055
02:14:06,505 --> 02:14:09,895
we share a common property line on our southeast border

2056
02:14:09,895 --> 02:14:13,825
with the shoulders property at seventy seven fifty Bayview

2057
02:14:13,825 --> 02:14:17,655
ladies established in nineteen twenty four is the only private

2058
02:14:17,655 --> 02:14:21,785
golf club in North America owned and operated by women

2059
02:14:21,785 --> 02:14:24,565
the club has been operating as a private golf club

2060
02:14:24,595 --> 02:14:28,715
and a successful business employing local residents for ninety seven

2061
02:14:28,715 --> 02:14:30,045
years

2062
02:14:30,045 --> 02:14:33,555
over the years ladies members have witnessed on all sides

2063
02:14:33,555 --> 02:14:37,235
of our property the gradual transition of this area from

2064
02:14:37,235 --> 02:14:41,605
remote farmland to the neighborhood that we all enjoy today

2065
02:14:41,605 --> 02:14:44,655
many of our members live in the townhouses single family

2066
02:14:44,655 --> 02:14:48,285
homes and the mid rise apartments and condos developed along

2067
02:14:48,285 --> 02:14:50,655
young and Bayview

2068
02:14:50,655 --> 02:14:53,785
the presence of the golf club is a defining feature

2069
02:14:53,975 --> 02:14:56,305
of this community

2070
02:14:56,305 --> 02:14:58,465
late is as well known to this committee and to

2071
02:14:58,465 --> 02:15:01,635
the staff having recently received planning approval of the try

2072
02:15:01,635 --> 02:15:05,125
to allow publication involving R. two point four acre site

2073
02:15:05,155 --> 02:15:08,445
at the corner of Bayview unreal or triple of art

2074
02:15:08,445 --> 02:15:11,715
during that four year process many of you have visited

2075
02:15:11,715 --> 02:15:15,515
the club to better understand our plan to secure the

2076
02:15:15,515 --> 02:15:19,245
future of the golf club in this location

2077
02:15:19,245 --> 02:15:22,325
make no mistake the decision to sell a piece of

2078
02:15:22,325 --> 02:15:25,235
our land to secure our future as a golf club

2079
02:15:25,375 --> 02:15:28,805
was very very difficult

2080
02:15:28,805 --> 02:15:33,365
however we believe the application before you tonight threatened stuck

2081
02:15:33,365 --> 02:15:35,515
future

2082
02:15:35,515 --> 02:15:37,845
why you might ask

2083
02:15:37,845 --> 02:15:40,435
the height and density of this proposal is appropriate in

2084
02:15:40,435 --> 02:15:43,775
downtown Toronto or within the regional centre of learning stuff

2085
02:15:44,185 --> 02:15:47,545
it is not appropriate at this location

2086
02:15:47,545 --> 02:15:50,455
five point towers ranging in height from eighteen to thirty

2087
02:15:50,455 --> 02:15:55,685
five stories is an extreme overbuild of this property

2088
02:15:55,685 --> 02:15:59,235
density of this magnitude is not supported in this location

2089
02:15:59,585 --> 02:16:02,545
by either the York region official plan or the Markham

2090
02:16:02,545 --> 02:16:06,355
official plan both of which direct density of this type

2091
02:16:06,355 --> 02:16:10,035
to the regional centers and identified corridors such as young

2092
02:16:10,035 --> 02:16:13,405
street that will be served by higher order transit such

2093
02:16:13,405 --> 02:16:14,955
as subways

2094
02:16:14,955 --> 02:16:17,175
these towers are proposed at the very back of the

2095
02:16:17,175 --> 02:16:21,865
shoulders property away from Bayview behind the existing hospital and

2096
02:16:21,865 --> 02:16:27,485
within the existing greenway system identified in both official plans

2097
02:16:27,485 --> 02:16:30,065
the height limit proposed on shoulder Mason the twenty fourteen

2098
02:16:30,065 --> 02:16:33,975
Markham official plan is eight stories and the zoning as

2099
02:16:33,975 --> 02:16:37,795
you've heard many times places ten stories on the frontage

2100
02:16:37,795 --> 02:16:41,325
of Bayview and three stories exactly where this development is

2101
02:16:41,325 --> 02:16:43,105
proposed

2102
02:16:43,105 --> 02:16:47,455
but for ladies this application presents many concerns about the

2103
02:16:47,455 --> 02:16:51,575
most significant for us is the height density amassing

2104
02:16:51,575 --> 02:16:55,175
three of the five towers the three tallest are aligned

2105
02:16:55,225 --> 02:16:58,205
east to west directly along the border with our golf

2106
02:16:58,205 --> 02:16:59,485
club

2107
02:16:59,485 --> 02:17:02,115
when combined with a six story podium between the two

2108
02:17:02,115 --> 02:17:06,595
closest to the border the application presents a downtown presence

2109
02:17:07,025 --> 02:17:11,305
right along the south side of our existing twelfth fairway

2110
02:17:11,305 --> 02:17:14,395
the size and scale of these buildings when seen from

2111
02:17:14,395 --> 02:17:18,135
the ground where golf is played will be massive and

2112
02:17:18,135 --> 02:17:19,815
overwhelming

2113
02:17:19,815 --> 02:17:22,715
in addition the tall towers are separated from our property

2114
02:17:22,715 --> 02:17:26,395
by a natural private road located directly along the private

2115
02:17:26,645 --> 02:17:30,015
the property line which is expected to carry a very

2116
02:17:30,265 --> 02:17:34,025
very large volume of entrance and exit traffic for all

2117
02:17:34,025 --> 02:17:35,985
five buildings

2118
02:17:35,985 --> 02:17:39,395
in our view the development as proposed is not compatible

2119
02:17:39,395 --> 02:17:44,245
with the existing and planned surrounding land uses

2120
02:17:44,245 --> 02:17:47,915
but there are other considerations in addition to the ominous

2121
02:17:47,915 --> 02:17:51,915
presence of these towers the technical studies on this application

2122
02:17:51,915 --> 02:17:54,895
have failed to consider the impact of this development on

2123
02:17:54,895 --> 02:17:59,305
our land it's as if we don't exist

2124
02:17:59,305 --> 02:18:02,235
shadows from these tall towers will impact our ability to

2125
02:18:02,235 --> 02:18:05,895
grow grass fairways greens and landscaping as well as the

2126
02:18:05,895 --> 02:18:08,975
quality of playing conditions during the active season from April

2127
02:18:08,975 --> 02:18:10,715
to November

2128
02:18:10,715 --> 02:18:13,675
the shuttle study shows areas of concern on the eastern

2129
02:18:13,675 --> 02:18:15,745
half of our golf course

2130
02:18:15,745 --> 02:18:19,435
when studies are especially important when dealing with densely packed

2131
02:18:19,435 --> 02:18:22,365
our buildings as the impact of ground level can be

2132
02:18:22,365 --> 02:18:26,225
extreme for those on the ground the wind study is

2133
02:18:26,225 --> 02:18:29,685
inward facing only considers the ground level conditions at the

2134
02:18:29,685 --> 02:18:34,185
base of the towers themselves there is no consideration of

2135
02:18:34,185 --> 02:18:38,095
the impact of wind on neighboring properties

2136
02:18:38,095 --> 02:18:41,685
the arborist report is intended to account for all trees

2137
02:18:41,685 --> 02:18:45,545
over eight inches in trunk diameter all in order within

2138
02:18:45,545 --> 02:18:49,265
six meters of the property line of the development this

2139
02:18:49,265 --> 02:18:53,005
report addresses off site trees on the east boundary of

2140
02:18:53,005 --> 02:18:56,975
Bayview and the west boundary near promote creek but is

2141
02:18:57,005 --> 02:19:00,695
absolutely silent on any trees within six metres of the

2142
02:19:00,695 --> 02:19:04,325
north property line on ladies property

2143
02:19:04,325 --> 02:19:07,145
the proposed landscape plan does little to address the loss

2144
02:19:07,145 --> 02:19:10,345
of significant trees along the border north to mitigate the

2145
02:19:10,345 --> 02:19:13,395
impacts of the road and the sidewalk directly along the

2146
02:19:13,425 --> 02:19:17,255
edge of the border to the properties mature trees along

2147
02:19:17,255 --> 02:19:20,625
the shared border are an important mitigating factors for noise

2148
02:19:20,625 --> 02:19:24,025
disruption wind and visual disturbance in the context of this

2149
02:19:24,025 --> 02:19:26,315
huge development

2150
02:19:26,315 --> 02:19:29,155
and density of this magnitude in a setting with few

2151
02:19:29,155 --> 02:19:32,875
supports for the resident population will bring its own problems

2152
02:19:32,875 --> 02:19:34,945
to neighboring properties

2153
02:19:34,945 --> 02:19:39,055
dozens of such a densely packed population invites the irresistible

2154
02:19:39,085 --> 02:19:43,255
and somewhat understandable urge to trespass on the beautiful neighboring

2155
02:19:43,365 --> 02:19:45,935
property full of green space

2156
02:19:45,935 --> 02:19:48,515
so in closing having briefly set up some of our

2157
02:19:48,515 --> 02:19:51,965
significant concerns with this proposal one might think that we

2158
02:19:51,965 --> 02:19:56,175
are opposed to any development on the shoulders property

2159
02:19:56,175 --> 02:19:59,075
but as I mentioned in my opening remarks ladies recently

2160
02:19:59,075 --> 02:20:02,305
completed the planning approval process for the royal Bayview the

2161
02:20:02,305 --> 02:20:04,705
tried all development at the corner of royal orchard and

2162
02:20:04,705 --> 02:20:06,345
Bayview Avenue

2163
02:20:06,345 --> 02:20:09,295
so are we being inconsistent

2164
02:20:09,295 --> 02:20:13,205
not in the least we worked hard over forty one

2165
02:20:13,205 --> 02:20:16,025
years with try to help and the community to do

2166
02:20:16,025 --> 02:20:19,465
the right thing with our development

2167
02:20:19,465 --> 02:20:22,605
the buildings are fourteen and twelve storeys in height less

2168
02:20:22,605 --> 02:20:25,575
than the fifteen stories of the landmark building directly across

2169
02:20:25,575 --> 02:20:29,075
Bayview and less than the fifteen stories currently being considered

2170
02:20:29,385 --> 02:20:32,615
on John street just east of Bayview

2171
02:20:32,615 --> 02:20:35,965
the building is an enhancement to the community

2172
02:20:35,965 --> 02:20:40,075
the neighbourhood residents associations all supported the development when it

2173
02:20:40,075 --> 02:20:43,255
came forward to council for approval and members of our

2174
02:20:43,255 --> 02:20:47,165
club have pre purchased units in the buildings to downsize

2175
02:20:47,165 --> 02:20:50,315
and not least of all the money from the sale

2176
02:20:50,525 --> 02:20:54,925
carefully invested secures our legacy is the only private golf

2177
02:20:54,925 --> 02:20:58,745
club owned and operated for women by women it allows

2178
02:20:58,745 --> 02:21:02,425
for careful investment in our course an investment in our

2179
02:21:02,425 --> 02:21:04,785
heritage club house which will soon be in front of

2180
02:21:04,785 --> 02:21:06,735
your heritage committee

2181
02:21:06,735 --> 02:21:10,015
most of all it secures our future in this location

2182
02:21:10,435 --> 02:21:12,805
for the long term

2183
02:21:12,805 --> 02:21:15,355
we do expect to see some development on the shoulders

2184
02:21:15,355 --> 02:21:19,595
lands but it must be compatible with the neighbourhood context

2185
02:21:20,165 --> 02:21:24,515
with fifteen stories maximum along Bayview frontage and stepping down

2186
02:21:24,515 --> 02:21:28,145
in height when moving west and particularly protecting the greenway

2187
02:21:28,145 --> 02:21:29,645
system

2188
02:21:29,645 --> 02:21:33,795
development must also respect the existing planning framework of the

2189
02:21:33,795 --> 02:21:37,215
region of York and the city of Markham represented in

2190
02:21:37,215 --> 02:21:41,205
the official plans which are in fact a covenant between

2191
02:21:41,205 --> 02:21:44,625
council and the community that you serve

2192
02:21:44,625 --> 02:21:47,585
we also expect anything that happen on this property to

2193
02:21:47,585 --> 02:21:50,715
enhance the community we have all come to love

2194
02:21:50,715 --> 02:21:53,325
in the end our hope our efforts to secure ladies

2195
02:21:53,325 --> 02:21:56,465
for the future in this location will not have been

2196
02:21:56,465 --> 02:21:59,795
in vain thank you very much

2197
02:21:59,795 --> 02:22:02,635
thank you thank you John I I I must confess

2198
02:22:02,635 --> 02:22:06,095
that's long as close ... tonight

2199
02:22:06,095 --> 02:22:09,665
sorry you said in closing I think you were getting

2200
02:22:09,705 --> 02:22:12,585
your pushing the outer limits of your time but in

2201
02:22:12,585 --> 02:22:15,025
any event I'm glad you got to finish thank you

2202
02:22:15,025 --> 02:22:17,245
for here

2203
02:22:17,245 --> 02:22:18,415
you

2204
02:22:18,415 --> 02:22:30,595
all right next up is Elena got

2205
02:22:33,345 --> 02:22:36,935
next up is Elena dot a leaner you that I

2206
02:22:36,935 --> 02:22:42,945
am here how do I get money

2207
02:22:42,945 --> 02:22:45,625
can you see me you can see me

2208
02:22:45,625 --> 02:22:49,395
no we can all it doesn't seem to ... give

2209
02:22:49,395 --> 02:22:53,385
me an option tool there should be a video option

2210
02:22:53,385 --> 02:22:55,835
if you members over the bottom of your window your

2211
02:22:55,835 --> 02:22:59,575
zoom window second button from the left is the video

2212
02:23:00,175 --> 02:23:03,955
click that and we'll see you

2213
02:23:03,955 --> 02:23:06,275
there you are

2214
02:23:06,275 --> 02:23:08,555
thank your mute

2215
02:23:08,555 --> 02:23:12,795
later you're muted

2216
02:23:12,795 --> 02:23:17,155
it 00 okay you have 5 minutes

2217
02:23:17,155 --> 02:23:20,175
okay ... hold on I'm not still there are you

2218
02:23:20,175 --> 02:23:21,775
need to get

2219
02:23:21,775 --> 02:23:33,005
my screen up

2220
02:23:35,335 --> 02:23:39,605
okay

2221
02:23:39,605 --> 02:23:42,025
all right

2222
02:23:42,025 --> 02:23:47,035
okay ... can everybody see that screen please year and

2223
02:23:47,035 --> 02:23:53,155
getting so ... I showed I used Ms our orchard

2224
02:23:53,155 --> 02:23:56,735
yes we can okay

2225
02:23:56,735 --> 02:24:00,415
thank you Mr chairman members of the committee my name

2226
02:24:00,415 --> 02:24:02,385
is Sonny and I got some the president of the

2227
02:24:02,385 --> 02:24:06,945
eighteen go crazy residents association member founding member since two

2228
02:24:06,945 --> 02:24:09,295
thousand and five

2229
02:24:09,295 --> 02:24:12,705
we believe the people of farm hell have a very

2230
02:24:12,705 --> 02:24:16,915
strong sense of place that is defined by the town's

2231
02:24:16,915 --> 02:24:22,005
two hundred and thirty years of rich history

2232
02:24:22,005 --> 02:24:26,345
historic houses and the shelters are so nice good outcomes

2233
02:24:26,685 --> 02:24:31,455
and as soon Hill square up part of that heritage

2234
02:24:31,975 --> 02:24:36,595
being torn Heller is a state of mind deriving from

2235
02:24:36,595 --> 02:24:40,785
its rich history and from living in harmony with this

2236
02:24:40,785 --> 02:24:43,925
beautiful place and its people

2237
02:24:43,925 --> 02:24:47,755
I would like to present to you our petition and

2238
02:24:47,785 --> 02:24:51,655
you will get it as a package

2239
02:24:51,655 --> 02:24:57,565
on our petition that has been signed by by know

2240
02:24:57,565 --> 02:25:03,985
precisely seven hundred and fourteen people song Heller's the seven

2241
02:25:03,985 --> 02:25:08,595
hundred and fourteen people are appalled

2242
02:25:08,595 --> 02:25:14,515
at the image of Fife and later H. towers yes

2243
02:25:14,515 --> 02:25:17,635
this is not going to be straight with five eight

2244
02:25:18,265 --> 02:25:24,105
towers arising from the beautiful grounds alone up valley like

2245
02:25:24,105 --> 02:25:26,885
this story at least nightmare

2246
02:25:26,885 --> 02:25:30,595
the people reject the proposal the building costs on health

2247
02:25:30,595 --> 02:25:34,055
square was chief prefabricated boxes you will see in the

2248
02:25:34,055 --> 02:25:36,345
next which are as well

2249
02:25:36,345 --> 02:25:39,775
we believe that hard ice age and the fact my

2250
02:25:39,775 --> 02:25:43,535
colleagues both the built form and the sense of place

2251
02:25:43,565 --> 02:25:45,785
also on health center

2252
02:25:45,785 --> 02:25:49,285
do you see that might come centre they constituents are

2253
02:25:49,405 --> 02:25:54,035
being treated quite differently the Oscar we have the mark

2254
02:25:54,035 --> 02:25:55,315
come

2255
02:25:55,315 --> 02:26:00,695
Markham center subcommittee so we ask where is our song

2256
02:26:00,695 --> 02:26:06,565
health center subcommittee our expertise sign a team our new

2257
02:26:06,565 --> 02:26:09,865
moved start secondary plan

2258
02:26:09,865 --> 02:26:15,105
the answer is that our most recent secondary plan exists

2259
02:26:15,105 --> 02:26:18,905
in this campaign first paper form lofty price in nineteen

2260
02:26:18,905 --> 02:26:23,595
ninety seven the twenty fourteen official plan was never finalized

2261
02:26:23,595 --> 02:26:26,995
because of the delay in getting our twenty fifteen out

2262
02:26:26,995 --> 02:26:31,075
back yeah my show digest and the same time two

2263
02:26:31,075 --> 02:26:35,385
large tried out Tyler Smith recently approved to be built

2264
02:26:35,385 --> 02:26:40,345
over a large area we understood that it was necessary

2265
02:26:40,345 --> 02:26:43,955
to preserve going these golf course and the fact if

2266
02:26:43,955 --> 02:26:47,965
I had to be met and the buildings are beautiful

2267
02:26:47,995 --> 02:26:52,315
or will be beautiful and and in in in keeping

2268
02:26:52,345 --> 02:26:56,765
with the extracting built form however you that peer respect

2269
02:26:56,765 --> 02:27:00,495
some people took are good well as a message that

2270
02:27:00,495 --> 02:27:04,375
they had built all over some health without drying or

2271
02:27:04,375 --> 02:27:08,915
you sent project by project project without regard to the

2272
02:27:08,915 --> 02:27:13,685
cumulative affect on that place the environment the green space

2273
02:27:13,715 --> 02:27:16,965
and our people but for healers do not make the

2274
02:27:16,965 --> 02:27:22,495
same mistake twice this accidental approach and it's cumulative effect

2275
02:27:22,645 --> 02:27:27,435
all in all of these projects into question the character

2276
02:27:27,465 --> 02:27:31,625
of our beautiful community to take away our green space

2277
02:27:32,025 --> 02:27:35,055
the teams based on our clean air with that take

2278
02:27:35,055 --> 02:27:39,855
the weight of family oriented community one project at a

2279
02:27:39,855 --> 02:27:45,635
time until all lost forever and so this time we

2280
02:27:45,635 --> 02:27:51,095
really need you are council to really hear our voices

2281
02:27:51,095 --> 02:27:55,495
marks mother comes public ground play each set and we

2282
02:27:55,495 --> 02:27:59,125
saw your work should be off mark come is committed

2283
02:27:59,125 --> 02:28:02,685
to enhancing and sustaining a unique and vibrant place to

2284
02:28:02,685 --> 02:28:07,925
live work play and invest this is based on providing

2285
02:28:07,925 --> 02:28:14,775
quality design suspects Austin about community and development which reflect

2286
02:28:14,995 --> 02:28:18,355
and recognize a rich history

2287
02:28:18,355 --> 02:28:21,435
the study collective see your works

2288
02:28:21,435 --> 02:28:26,085
we need your commitment Mr mayor and councillors to preserve

2289
02:28:26,115 --> 02:28:31,465
and enhance the beauty also on help with sensitive development

2290
02:28:31,755 --> 02:28:36,045
that will complement the built form and to respect the

2291
02:28:36,045 --> 02:28:39,255
fence off place a phone health center

2292
02:28:39,255 --> 02:28:43,155
this is a fuel from green lane looking west that

2293
02:28:43,155 --> 02:28:47,075
will be designed as part of this whole that will

2294
02:28:47,075 --> 02:28:51,395
respect the functional questions and the configuration of the buildings

2295
02:28:51,425 --> 02:28:55,945
and decorations she blasts streets open spaces and our part

2296
02:28:55,945 --> 02:29:01,635
plans for mobility I will quote from nineteen

2297
02:29:01,635 --> 02:29:06,385
watch which states regional staff have commented that the heights

2298
02:29:06,415 --> 02:29:10,315
and densities all the current proposal ... more appropriate where

2299
02:29:10,315 --> 02:29:15,135
supported by higher order transit such as subway which of

2300
02:29:15,135 --> 02:29:18,245
course you don't have to look at

2301
02:29:18,245 --> 02:29:22,065
please do the right thing deferred the proposal and gifts

2302
02:29:22,065 --> 02:29:27,065
on her constituents are due process our song health center

2303
02:29:27,065 --> 02:29:32,415
subcommittee so we can develop a secondary plan but respect

2304
02:29:32,445 --> 02:29:36,605
and protect some hail and our students thank you for

2305
02:29:36,605 --> 02:29:40,035
listening to the people who live in sun hill now

2306
02:29:40,435 --> 02:29:44,365
for inspecting the people who built it and for thinking

2307
02:29:44,365 --> 02:29:48,485
about the health and welfare of the people who inhabited

2308
02:29:48,555 --> 02:29:55,175
in that in the future thank you

2309
02:29:55,175 --> 02:29:59,005
thank you Elena just to correct the record so your

2310
02:29:59,005 --> 02:30:03,745
survey was completed by one thousand seven hundred and fourteen

2311
02:30:03,745 --> 02:30:06,985
people you you said seven hundred and what we're looking

2312
02:30:07,105 --> 02:30:08,775
at yeah

2313
02:30:08,775 --> 02:30:12,555
so I doubt you one thousand seven hundred and fourteen

2314
02:30:12,595 --> 02:30:16,485
have signed our yeah and and I can also show

2315
02:30:16,485 --> 02:30:17,925
you

2316
02:30:17,925 --> 02:30:22,395
if you wish there is also our site that we

2317
02:30:22,395 --> 02:30:27,465
have developed at next door of where we have right

2318
02:30:27,465 --> 02:30:30,775
now two hundred and eleven I see that as a

2319
02:30:31,175 --> 02:30:33,225
whole

2320
02:30:33,225 --> 02:30:35,085
okay that that

2321
02:30:35,085 --> 02:30:37,295
eight that won't be necessary to show is that we'll

2322
02:30:37,295 --> 02:30:39,445
take your word for that I I want to get

2323
02:30:39,445 --> 02:30:43,495
moving along here in

2324
02:30:43,495 --> 02:30:46,035
I just want to ... I just wanted to ...

2325
02:30:46,035 --> 02:30:48,735
it mention to members of the committee I'm gonna try

2326
02:30:48,735 --> 02:30:51,315
to get us to the halfway mark in terms of

2327
02:30:51,315 --> 02:30:54,105
the number of the deputations we're now up to forty

2328
02:30:54,105 --> 02:30:58,095
six we've completed nineteen so I'm gonna try to get

2329
02:30:58,095 --> 02:31:00,455
us through the next four and then we'll take a

2330
02:31:00,455 --> 02:31:03,975
break and then not come back so next up is

2331
02:31:04,005 --> 02:31:06,455
Luis Oliveira

2332
02:31:06,455 --> 02:31:11,535
Louis thank you Mr chairman let me share my screen

2333
02:31:11,535 --> 02:31:14,165
yeah I later could I ask you to mute yourself

2334
02:31:14,165 --> 02:31:19,935
please yes

2335
02:31:19,935 --> 02:31:24,345
close to have 5 minutes

2336
02:31:24,345 --> 02:31:26,995
so hi my name is we sort of area my

2337
02:31:26,995 --> 02:31:30,265
family include my wife who are not Keith so the

2338
02:31:30,265 --> 02:31:33,785
long and the other three generations I've been a long

2339
02:31:33,785 --> 02:31:38,335
time residents of Bayview ... John area I live in

2340
02:31:38,335 --> 02:31:40,755
don't feel relation on now and the phone call on

2341
02:31:40,755 --> 02:31:46,125
the screen and Congress sent back into a grueling

2342
02:31:46,125 --> 02:31:51,755
we walk cycle Dr right transit commute use the community

2343
02:31:51,755 --> 02:31:54,815
services and enjoy the area so we could directly impact

2344
02:31:54,815 --> 02:31:57,355
that that these applications

2345
02:31:57,355 --> 02:32:00,835
today I would like to share our perspective on the

2346
02:32:01,075 --> 02:32:05,745
development application some attention fact impact on the quality of

2347
02:32:05,745 --> 02:32:08,955
life and the needs of our or run plan to

2348
02:32:08,955 --> 02:32:14,865
create a better future for rested

2349
02:32:14,865 --> 02:32:18,875
so I spent quite some time reading the application documents

2350
02:32:19,005 --> 02:32:23,585
... what surprised for the magnitude of the request

2351
02:32:23,585 --> 02:32:25,995
first I found out the number of units to be

2352
02:32:25,995 --> 02:32:29,355
developed with the over to the south of us the

2353
02:32:29,355 --> 02:32:33,975
request is for additional software once one thousand two hundred

2354
02:32:33,975 --> 02:32:37,415
eighty seven units and they're keeping the right all day

2355
02:32:37,445 --> 02:32:40,315
origin of seven hundred twenty five units

2356
02:32:40,315 --> 02:32:44,125
it would be naive to think about both units one

2357
02:32:44,155 --> 02:32:46,855
one be developed at some point

2358
02:32:46,855 --> 02:32:50,985
so this is basically almost three times are what the

2359
02:32:50,985 --> 02:32:55,925
bus or unity and exceed on the official plan there

2360
02:32:55,925 --> 02:32:58,885
are a number of they are phase one which is

2361
02:32:58,915 --> 02:33:01,985
not approved a picture that each child on their on

2362
02:33:02,015 --> 02:33:07,915
right up the right process well you know five hours

2363
02:33:07,915 --> 02:33:09,715
they are in the office up that says thank you

2364
02:33:09,885 --> 02:33:13,245
twenty one ... floors it's going to be one and

2365
02:33:13,395 --> 02:33:15,925
one hundred twenty nine stories

2366
02:33:15,925 --> 02:33:20,035
the card will be sixty nine what is that supposed

2367
02:33:20,035 --> 02:33:24,695
to be in the official plan and the density is

2368
02:33:24,865 --> 02:33:29,845
more than double ... it doesn't the reference the head

2369
02:33:29,845 --> 02:33:33,875
sideways and the balance on the subway line density minimums

2370
02:33:33,905 --> 02:33:39,745
yes the point five we're talking four point eight here

2371
02:33:39,745 --> 02:33:43,715
how do we already approved that seven eight hundred twenty

2372
02:33:43,715 --> 02:33:46,205
five units it's unclear

2373
02:33:46,205 --> 02:33:49,335
based on the signing ... and then signed a maintenance

2374
02:33:49,365 --> 02:33:52,215
that they ask you need to go to ... three

2375
02:33:52,265 --> 02:33:57,115
thousand three ... fifty percent increase ... ... Kate so

2376
02:33:57,195 --> 02:34:00,835
thirty five metres with eight to ten thirty so you

2377
02:34:00,835 --> 02:34:04,275
do the math simple math you can do it need

2378
02:34:04,275 --> 02:34:08,745
at least forty hours five hours to be able to

2379
02:34:08,745 --> 02:34:13,185
yeah I come with a dot are I put what

2380
02:34:13,185 --> 02:34:17,015
they show places in the east bloc I maybe it's

2381
02:34:17,015 --> 02:34:20,435
south block I don't know it's not clear what these

2382
02:34:20,435 --> 02:34:24,115
corporation would be

2383
02:34:24,115 --> 02:34:26,035
so

2384
02:34:26,035 --> 02:34:29,745
great departure from The Oprah okay so plan on swinging

2385
02:34:29,745 --> 02:34:31,685
by law

2386
02:34:31,685 --> 02:34:35,125
it's really they were so bad I don't think but

2387
02:34:35,165 --> 02:34:37,275
I don't think so

2388
02:34:37,275 --> 02:34:40,505
intensification of the

2389
02:34:40,505 --> 02:34:44,095
he's only supposed to happen on our run growth center

2390
02:34:44,125 --> 02:34:48,395
like Longstock gateway around the first or the transit which

2391
02:34:48,395 --> 02:34:50,785
is not the case here

2392
02:34:50,785 --> 02:34:53,055
are there is no up

2393
02:34:53,055 --> 02:34:56,005
I need off these

2394
02:34:56,005 --> 02:35:00,985
level of intensification the top already and

2395
02:35:00,985 --> 02:35:04,885
yeah said that he

2396
02:35:04,885 --> 02:35:09,415
our gets the fifty two percent target for intensification Markram

2397
02:35:10,045 --> 02:35:13,955
should be able to be accommodated on there they both

2398
02:35:13,955 --> 02:35:20,725
lights for their twenty by twenty fifty one

2399
02:35:20,725 --> 02:35:24,055
also stopped is thinking that this could be a way

2400
02:35:24,055 --> 02:35:27,275
to several that relate that outside a few

2401
02:35:27,275 --> 02:35:31,655
... issues one forty seven on two eighty eight I

2402
02:35:31,655 --> 02:35:36,445
hope that's not the case I really think that those

2403
02:35:36,445 --> 02:35:39,925
issues that basically ask for

2404
02:35:39,925 --> 02:35:42,055
who are

2405
02:35:42,055 --> 02:35:45,615
how plan for the area I'll run plan for the

2406
02:35:45,615 --> 02:35:50,235
area how DO in that way

2407
02:35:50,235 --> 02:35:52,805
so from that initial point of

2408
02:35:52,805 --> 02:35:54,825


2409
02:35:54,825 --> 02:35:59,005
impacts we are talking thank you we all want a

2410
02:35:59,005 --> 02:36:02,845
strong livable healthy communities

2411
02:36:02,845 --> 02:36:06,375
thank you centre is supposed to be the card of

2412
02:36:06,375 --> 02:36:08,035
the community

2413
02:36:08,035 --> 02:36:11,845
so let's do a stress test on that car

2414
02:36:11,845 --> 02:36:16,315
how do five thousand residents sharing the transit roads community

2415
02:36:16,315 --> 02:36:20,525
services daycares and schools I'm adding

2416
02:36:20,525 --> 02:36:24,255
okay 2200 more cars on the roads

2417
02:36:24,255 --> 02:36:27,625
... for anyone who lives in the area like me

2418
02:36:28,105 --> 02:36:31,095
the test will fail about me

2419
02:36:31,095 --> 02:36:33,485


2420
02:36:33,485 --> 02:36:35,845
it took my granddaughter over a year to get that

2421
02:36:35,845 --> 02:36:38,005
fought in the day care

2422
02:36:38,005 --> 02:36:42,195
my neighbors are still waiting government programs get feel as

2423
02:36:42,195 --> 02:36:44,935
soon as they open

2424
02:36:44,935 --> 02:36:49,125
traffic on transit the server hi special note and many

2425
02:36:49,125 --> 02:36:52,445
people have talked about this but I have a health

2426
02:36:52,445 --> 02:36:57,345
service beyond self commuting for many years by car on

2427
02:36:57,345 --> 02:36:59,875
our public transit

2428
02:36:59,875 --> 02:37:04,585
the level of service is quite low is that and

2429
02:37:04,775 --> 02:37:06,505
level he

2430
02:37:06,505 --> 02:37:10,905
anything I will see you got a score that goes

2431
02:37:10,905 --> 02:37:13,625
from eight yeah is

2432
02:37:13,625 --> 02:37:16,505
yeah I just you're approaching your time limit can I

2433
02:37:16,505 --> 02:37:20,905
get a wrap up please Sir sure so normal transit

2434
02:37:21,145 --> 02:37:24,695
in summary that's gonna block the proposed development is to

2435
02:37:24,695 --> 02:37:26,015
match the

2436
02:37:26,015 --> 02:37:29,885
and your reviews the quite light I am asking you

2437
02:37:29,915 --> 02:37:33,145
to give the false bottom on

2438
02:37:33,145 --> 02:37:36,775
how these areas can up we will go moment runs

2439
02:37:36,775 --> 02:37:40,095
even cool or maturity and I knew that in the

2440
02:37:40,095 --> 02:37:44,105
coming years we will continue in this direction it will

2441
02:37:44,105 --> 02:37:48,735
create a monster you we continue doing application by application

2442
02:37:48,985 --> 02:37:50,845
it will not work

2443
02:37:50,845 --> 02:37:56,075
yeah corrugations are seven thousand more residents please three thousand

2444
02:37:56,075 --> 02:37:59,715
three hundred more cars they come only thinking back for

2445
02:37:59,775 --> 02:38:03,795
both current application development applications are you meant

2446
02:38:03,795 --> 02:38:07,605
we are required a comprehensive for one secondary plan on

2447
02:38:07,605 --> 02:38:10,605
similar to too great of a failed

2448
02:38:10,605 --> 02:38:11,665


2449
02:38:11,665 --> 02:38:15,025
okay Sir gonna ask you a lot on this basis

2450
02:38:15,515 --> 02:38:19,035
who is stuff that provides the local economy

2451
02:38:19,035 --> 02:38:21,955
okay thank you thank you rose appreciate it next up

2452
02:38:21,955 --> 02:38:25,335
is Brian course

2453
02:38:25,335 --> 02:38:30,975
her

2454
02:38:30,975 --> 02:38:41,785
okay I'd like to share my screen

2455
02:38:41,785 --> 02:38:45,705
Mr chairman council members and guests

2456
02:38:45,705 --> 02:38:47,895
my name is Brian course in a thirty nine year

2457
02:38:47,895 --> 02:38:51,475
resident on Brekken with crescent and star hill I applaud

2458
02:38:51,475 --> 02:38:55,165
progress in construction in Thornhill

2459
02:38:55,165 --> 02:38:58,985
but not happenstance and for the city of Markham deregulated

2460
02:38:58,985 --> 02:39:02,285
to something that is tasteful my primary concern is that

2461
02:39:02,285 --> 02:39:06,045
the secondary plan was prepared in nineteen eighty seven and

2462
02:39:06,045 --> 02:39:09,335
amended it several times including a further amendment request at

2463
02:39:09,335 --> 02:39:12,305
this date and is totally out of date thirty four

2464
02:39:12,305 --> 02:39:15,845
years later the city is using a bandaid approach to

2465
02:39:15,845 --> 02:39:19,225
patch up a secondary plan it is no longer relevant

2466
02:39:19,765 --> 02:39:22,685
it doesn't build in the current and future infrastructure support

2467
02:39:22,955 --> 02:39:26,245
work that is needed to observe the approximately three thousand

2468
02:39:26,245 --> 02:39:29,565
five thousand new residents from this project during the two

2469
02:39:29,565 --> 02:39:33,445
thousand new residents from the proposed tritone Serrano square developments

2470
02:39:34,055 --> 02:39:36,805
nor does it account for the spillover impact from the

2471
02:39:36,805 --> 02:39:41,515
thirty thousand new blank staff gateway residents market needs to

2472
02:39:41,515 --> 02:39:44,585
put a hold on all developments in this area until

2473
02:39:44,585 --> 02:39:47,965
there is a new secondary plan which takes into account

2474
02:39:47,995 --> 02:39:51,215
all current and future developments to gather and a new

2475
02:39:51,215 --> 02:39:55,645
transportation plan to support that secondary plan the key statement

2476
02:39:55,645 --> 02:39:58,955
here again is that all current and future developments be

2477
02:39:58,955 --> 02:40:04,155
considered together with regards to the impacts on infrastructure

2478
02:40:04,155 --> 02:40:07,975
calling from councillor Irish's latest newsletter Ward one with an

2479
02:40:07,975 --> 02:40:12,135
existing population of forty five thousand is mornings Markham's most

2480
02:40:12,135 --> 02:40:16,475
populous area COVID nineteen the Thornhill community center is the

2481
02:40:16,475 --> 02:40:19,645
city's most over used complex that has been for the

2482
02:40:19,645 --> 02:40:22,725
last many years only being some of the needs of

2483
02:40:22,975 --> 02:40:26,105
some of its existing residents we have the potential of

2484
02:40:26,105 --> 02:40:29,585
three to four new massive developments and no where in

2485
02:40:29,585 --> 02:40:32,135
the secondary plan is there mention of investment in the

2486
02:40:32,135 --> 02:40:36,685
community centres growth in keeping with the evolutionary population growth

2487
02:40:36,685 --> 02:40:40,175
and with approximately seven thousand new residents expected or more

2488
02:40:40,665 --> 02:40:43,725
in additional traffic is going to be horrendous and there

2489
02:40:43,725 --> 02:40:47,705
are no closed by public schools children these new developments

2490
02:40:47,705 --> 02:40:50,625
will have to be driven by parents are best there

2491
02:40:50,625 --> 02:40:54,345
are no active plans for upgrading transit our road infrastructure

2492
02:40:54,655 --> 02:40:58,975
to support the collective impact of these developments to reiterate

2493
02:40:59,355 --> 02:41:01,825
market needs to put a hold on all developments in

2494
02:41:01,825 --> 02:41:05,345
this area until there is a new secondary plan which

2495
02:41:05,345 --> 02:41:09,575
takes into account all current and future developments together and

2496
02:41:09,575 --> 02:41:13,105
a new transportation plan to support the new secondary plan

2497
02:41:13,685 --> 02:41:15,635
thank you Mr trump

2498
02:41:15,635 --> 02:41:18,785
thank you all right yeah before we move on to

2499
02:41:18,785 --> 02:41:22,035
the next speaker the clerk is reminded me please if

2500
02:41:22,035 --> 02:41:25,325
you are addressing committee you should be showing your video

2501
02:41:25,715 --> 02:41:29,375
so next up is soo Shiloh through are you with

2502
02:41:29,375 --> 02:41:31,685
us

2503
02:41:31,685 --> 02:41:34,575
yes I am I could

2504
02:41:34,575 --> 02:41:37,215
I'm sorry

2505
02:41:37,215 --> 02:41:38,235
what

2506
02:41:38,235 --> 02:41:40,885
perfect you've got five minutes all right I just went

2507
02:41:40,885 --> 02:41:46,545
off again sorry

2508
02:41:46,545 --> 02:41:50,725
Mr good evening Mr Mayor Deputy Mayor council members I

2509
02:41:50,725 --> 02:41:54,585
guess my name is Michelle and I've been a resident

2510
02:41:54,585 --> 02:41:58,035
on tamarack Dr here informed health for the last thirty

2511
02:41:58,035 --> 02:42:01,865
four years I've raised my family here and I love

2512
02:42:01,865 --> 02:42:03,495
the community

2513
02:42:03,495 --> 02:42:06,725
I'm here to address the council concerning decisions you will

2514
02:42:06,725 --> 02:42:10,285
have to make pertaining to development adjacent to the show

2515
02:42:10,285 --> 02:42:16,035
thanks hospital otherwise known as seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue

2516
02:42:16,035 --> 02:42:18,745
when I heard that there would be five take towers

2517
02:42:19,005 --> 02:42:22,565
some as high as thirty five stories my first question

2518
02:42:22,565 --> 02:42:26,325
was why why would any developer wants to destroy the

2519
02:42:26,325 --> 02:42:29,635
visual the air space on the tallest structure in the

2520
02:42:29,635 --> 02:42:30,655
area of the land

2521
02:42:30,655 --> 02:42:33,575
mark is only 15 storeys high

2522
02:42:33,575 --> 02:42:37,005
why would any developer not trying preserve green space and

2523
02:42:37,005 --> 02:42:41,295
integrate their buildings to distant the area they are beautiful

2524
02:42:41,295 --> 02:42:44,395
examples of condo living in the area at the Albion

2525
02:42:44,685 --> 02:42:48,695
thank you for example north of Steeles and Unionville gardens

2526
02:42:48,835 --> 02:42:50,845
at Markham center

2527
02:42:50,845 --> 02:42:54,215
why would any developer wanted dressed up to five thousand

2528
02:42:54,215 --> 02:42:58,055
people into an area with no plans to expand the

2529
02:42:58,055 --> 02:43:02,625
main corridor a few afternoon why indeed I for one

2530
02:43:02,625 --> 02:43:05,725
am not the only one who is asking these questions

2531
02:43:06,145 --> 02:43:11,105
almost seventeen hundred households have expressed that opinion by signing

2532
02:43:11,105 --> 02:43:15,475
the petition that has been circulating in the last month

2533
02:43:15,475 --> 02:43:19,085
this is far too much and proceeding far too quickly

2534
02:43:19,625 --> 02:43:23,405
the relationship between seventy seven fifty and at the potential

2535
02:43:23,405 --> 02:43:27,205
developments in the area must be examined as well as

2536
02:43:27,205 --> 02:43:31,985
the collective impact to reiterate Brian's words market needs to

2537
02:43:31,985 --> 02:43:34,875
first put a hold on all the developments in the

2538
02:43:34,875 --> 02:43:38,755
area until a new secondary plan is in place a

2539
02:43:38,755 --> 02:43:43,685
plan which takes into consideration all current and future developments

2540
02:43:43,685 --> 02:43:48,075
together together and a new transportation plan to support the

2541
02:43:48,075 --> 02:43:53,075
secondary plan I would like to quote councillors councillor Keith

2542
02:43:53,145 --> 02:43:57,045
Irish when he gave his opinion to date almost oxen

2543
02:43:57,085 --> 02:44:00,495
on T. R. NTL dot com how would by post

2544
02:44:00,495 --> 02:44:05,135
city on January sixth twenty twenty one about the development

2545
02:44:05,175 --> 02:44:09,305
I'm young and while Archie to quote I think it's

2546
02:44:09,305 --> 02:44:15,065
completely incompatible with the existing neighbourhood there is development and

2547
02:44:15,065 --> 02:44:19,515
then there's development imagine a fifty nine story tower at

2548
02:44:19,515 --> 02:44:22,515
the top of the hill it's going to be enormous

2549
02:44:23,185 --> 02:44:27,725
I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Irish and even though we

2550
02:44:27,725 --> 02:44:32,315
are not getting a fifty nine story tower I reiterate

2551
02:44:32,315 --> 02:44:36,435
these words for seventy seven fifty Bayview Avenue

2552
02:44:36,435 --> 02:44:42,165
thank you very very much for allowing me to address

2553
02:44:42,165 --> 02:44:44,415
thank you through and and thank you for calling me

2554
02:44:44,415 --> 02:44:46,035
accurately

2555
02:44:46,035 --> 02:44:47,515
reshape that

2556
02:44:47,515 --> 02:44:53,685
next up is Johnnie Lynn

2557
02:44:53,685 --> 02:44:57,585
Johnny Linda you with us

2558
02:44:57,585 --> 02:45:01,075
yes hi hi Johnny

2559
02:45:01,075 --> 02:45:08,775
yeah members your presentation as well right and then

2560
02:45:08,775 --> 02:45:10,945
yes ... as many of my neighbors I've already said

2561
02:45:10,945 --> 02:45:13,715
I'm not gonna repeat ... what's I would just focus

2562
02:45:13,715 --> 02:45:16,835
on the main points of the usage of the committee

2563
02:45:17,025 --> 02:45:19,715
I mean Johnny lives are in the market cross the

2564
02:45:19,715 --> 02:45:23,375
street and I strongly feel the community ... the councillors

2565
02:45:23,375 --> 02:45:28,185
rejected the zoning amendment give the sales development urban landscape

2566
02:45:28,655 --> 02:45:32,535
something issues and environmental sustainability

2567
02:45:32,535 --> 02:45:35,505
so in the urban design section of the tallest towers

2568
02:45:35,505 --> 02:45:38,225
of this project will be a hundred twenty meters and

2569
02:45:38,225 --> 02:45:40,535
one of six meters tall the complete

2570
02:45:40,535 --> 02:45:42,335
I will be more than double the height of existing

2571
02:45:42,335 --> 02:45:48,765
landmark condominiums and little possibly over existing nearby neighborhoods therefore

2572
02:45:48,765 --> 02:45:51,355
they don't fit the urban design of the community that

2573
02:45:51,355 --> 02:45:55,565
consists of mostly single detached homes townhomes and two four

2574
02:45:55,565 --> 02:45:59,405
star units next up is that city so actually the

2575
02:45:59,405 --> 02:46:04,425
maximum height of highrise residential buildings is fifteen stories according

2576
02:46:04,425 --> 02:46:07,375
this is ... the city's official plan chapter eight land

2577
02:46:07,375 --> 02:46:10,745
use so this amendment we actually set a negative precedent

2578
02:46:10,745 --> 02:46:13,595
for future developments in the area mainly the south of

2579
02:46:13,595 --> 02:46:16,805
block or face to by the same developer timber creek

2580
02:46:17,075 --> 02:46:19,215
hello baby

2581
02:46:19,215 --> 02:46:23,165
additionally there's again the insufficient transit issue ... the budget

2582
02:46:23,165 --> 02:46:25,225
of the size needs to be near a major highway

2583
02:46:25,305 --> 02:46:29,595
or close access debate the subways or buses and actually

2584
02:46:29,595 --> 02:46:33,275
the city already designated areas along highway seven young street

2585
02:46:33,535 --> 02:46:35,885
lanes that gateway and downtown markup of the site hi

2586
02:46:35,885 --> 02:46:37,835
this is open

2587
02:46:37,835 --> 02:46:40,885
also according to the twenty seventeen York regional traffic study

2588
02:46:41,215 --> 02:46:45,595
undertaken corridors it's an existing group lots as John street

2589
02:46:45,635 --> 02:46:48,255
and green lane Jersey calyx

2590
02:46:48,255 --> 02:46:51,145
next up is the through traffic issue a landmark adding

2591
02:46:51,145 --> 02:46:54,525
to Eric's point earlier many drivers use the landmark we

2592
02:46:54,525 --> 02:46:56,805
are late as you can see here I was treated

2593
02:46:56,805 --> 02:47:01,025
right ... the bypass traffic lights at green lane faxes

2594
02:47:01,025 --> 02:47:04,575
Wilson Boulevard in bay view in orange and actually doing

2595
02:47:04,575 --> 02:47:06,485
a lot of times they go against the traffic flow

2596
02:47:06,525 --> 02:47:09,315
which is illustrated in green arrow it's a one way

2597
02:47:09,315 --> 02:47:11,595
direction call your

2598
02:47:11,595 --> 02:47:14,665
and also a lot of drivers don't obey speed limits

2599
02:47:15,195 --> 02:47:18,265
so this is ... increase of traffic flow will lead

2600
02:47:18,265 --> 02:47:20,985
to more reckless driving

2601
02:47:20,985 --> 02:47:23,555
next up we have ... why we need mixed use

2602
02:47:23,555 --> 02:47:24,845
development

2603
02:47:24,845 --> 02:47:28,195
so currently the mixed use zoning was safe trips and

2604
02:47:28,195 --> 02:47:31,435
travel times residents and prevent Thornhill from being further entrenched

2605
02:47:31,465 --> 02:47:34,885
as just another car in December we need a community

2606
02:47:34,885 --> 02:47:38,775
with diverse the abuses so residents can access services easily

2607
02:47:38,775 --> 02:47:42,405
by walking or cycling and work late and shop all

2608
02:47:42,405 --> 02:47:43,995
in the same neighborhood

2609
02:47:43,995 --> 02:47:47,255
for the councillors amended ground levels the shops and offices

2610
02:47:47,455 --> 02:47:52,525
such as pharmacies doctors offices and corner stores

2611
02:47:52,525 --> 02:47:55,115
and these are the reasons why homogeneous use of this

2612
02:47:55,115 --> 02:47:58,475
property is bad the city's official plan actually requires high

2613
02:47:58,475 --> 02:48:02,905
density residential development staff institutional entities such as daycare places

2614
02:48:02,905 --> 02:48:05,535
of worship the public schools none of which the current

2615
02:48:05,535 --> 02:48:08,735
development as proposed the city's also met a family from

2616
02:48:08,735 --> 02:48:11,255
the units both in square footage in the lay out

2617
02:48:11,785 --> 02:48:14,705
I with the building's not for the micro single studio

2618
02:48:14,705 --> 02:48:18,015
units that cater heavily to overseas investors who do not

2619
02:48:18,015 --> 02:48:19,915
care for the local community

2620
02:48:19,915 --> 02:48:22,415
also the city must reserve density for purpose built rental

2621
02:48:22,415 --> 02:48:25,735
units for families and young professionals seven price out of

2622
02:48:25,735 --> 02:48:28,185
the housing market in terms

2623
02:48:28,185 --> 02:48:32,905
also the exhibits ... city community amenities and place making

2624
02:48:33,325 --> 02:48:36,135
so the existing community facilities are more than twenty years

2625
02:48:36,135 --> 02:48:39,255
old and have rich the capacity limits and will not

2626
02:48:39,255 --> 02:48:43,035
be able to support so many families without permits therefore

2627
02:48:43,035 --> 02:48:46,825
it surely residential development will not for new municipal services

2628
02:48:47,185 --> 02:48:51,195
and will add significant stress the existing community facilities schools

2629
02:48:51,495 --> 02:48:55,485
daycare senior centre and parts

2630
02:48:55,485 --> 02:48:58,165
next up is a bimonthly packed ... this neighbourhood is

2631
02:48:58,165 --> 02:49:02,375
not flood vulnerable clustered identified by the Toronto regional conservatory

2632
02:49:02,375 --> 02:49:03,785
as already

2633
02:49:03,785 --> 02:49:06,365
and this areas actually flooded back in two thousand five

2634
02:49:06,595 --> 02:49:09,555
and repairs on water sewer upgrade are still under way

2635
02:49:09,945 --> 02:49:13,085
as of today and also residents are worried about floods

2636
02:49:13,115 --> 02:49:15,565
if the builder punches one of the highly vulnerable aquifers

2637
02:49:15,565 --> 02:49:19,535
underground during construction which immediately leave the flights as soon

2638
02:49:19,535 --> 02:49:21,645
I gentle condo Intrada

2639
02:49:21,645 --> 02:49:25,125
lastly the greenway designation limits of total argues service area

2640
02:49:25,125 --> 02:49:27,925
to ten percent of the developer like to protect national

2641
02:49:27,925 --> 02:49:30,625
stormwater management in the area

2642
02:49:30,625 --> 02:49:33,445
so in summary I heard City council to keep the

2643
02:49:33,445 --> 02:49:37,015
current mixed use and it right zoning this neighbourhood understands

2644
02:49:37,015 --> 02:49:41,295
the importance of development and supports reasonable intensification of the

2645
02:49:41,295 --> 02:49:44,375
proposed development does not address any of the needs of

2646
02:49:44,375 --> 02:49:49,325
the current residents north support sufficient amenities that truly build

2647
02:49:49,325 --> 02:49:52,685
towards a complete communities that people can live work and

2648
02:49:52,685 --> 02:49:56,245
play so we got this proposal is much too intensive

2649
02:49:57,195 --> 02:50:01,025
for the urban design contradicts the city's official plan in

2650
02:50:01,025 --> 02:50:05,715
many ways does not promote social inclusion nor equitable community

2651
02:50:06,385 --> 02:50:11,105
and ... adds considerable stress so the public infrastructure so

2652
02:50:11,105 --> 02:50:13,475
thank you kindly for your time and I look forward

2653
02:50:13,475 --> 02:50:16,705
to hearing from council regarding the support for community oriented

2654
02:50:16,705 --> 02:50:19,985
development and I pulled good urban design and place it

2655
02:50:20,335 --> 02:50:21,645
thank you

2656
02:50:21,645 --> 02:50:25,205
eight thank you Johnny appreciate that and your obvious preparation

2657
02:50:25,205 --> 02:50:27,785
and preparing the slides

2658
02:50:27,785 --> 02:50:29,815
a lot of effort and a lot of thinking so

2659
02:50:30,175 --> 02:50:33,365
thank you for that alright ... committee we are going

2660
02:50:33,365 --> 02:50:36,055
to recess ...

2661
02:50:36,055 --> 02:50:41,195
until nine fifty PM we have twenty three more people

2662
02:50:41,195 --> 02:50:44,345
registered to speak and that will take us to approximately

2663
02:50:44,735 --> 02:50:48,745
two more hours so I would appreciate everybody coming back

2664
02:50:48,745 --> 02:50:52,745
on time at nine fifty and ... we'll get started

2665
02:50:52,745 --> 02:51:03,435
then so thank you

2666
03:02:44,075 --> 03:02:45,985
not sure if that's the type of maybe it's John

2667
03:02:45,985 --> 03:02:49,475
Hughes John thank you this

2668
03:02:49,475 --> 03:02:56,905
Johnny with us

2669
03:02:56,905 --> 03:03:03,255
I don't see you

2670
03:03:03,255 --> 03:03:07,895
Madame clerk any news on John

2671
03:03:07,895 --> 03:03:11,035
I was just searching for John and I don't

2672
03:03:11,035 --> 03:03:13,815
why don't see okay well I'll put it on hold

2673
03:03:13,815 --> 03:03:17,425
the mean come back Jeff but

2674
03:03:17,425 --> 03:03:20,925
Jeff but

2675
03:03:20,925 --> 03:03:24,705
Jeff I've seen previously

2676
03:03:24,705 --> 03:03:27,725
yes hi Jeff you've got five minutes okay thank you

2677
03:03:28,495 --> 03:03:30,115
...

2678
03:03:30,115 --> 03:03:32,765
yes thank you Mr chair for more than thirty five

2679
03:03:32,765 --> 03:03:34,675
years I've lived in the baby when John area of

2680
03:03:34,675 --> 03:03:37,835
Thornhill and if concerns over the post baby ever you

2681
03:03:37,895 --> 03:03:42,545
Avenue liberty development after reviewing in detail the urban transportation

2682
03:03:42,545 --> 03:03:46,595
considerations study provided for this site I only have time

2683
03:03:46,595 --> 03:03:51,615
to address the transportation demand management strategies developers strategy for

2684
03:03:51,615 --> 03:03:54,565
how all these people get around and we'll point out

2685
03:03:54,565 --> 03:03:58,255
in five minutes why it will fail this entire proposed

2686
03:03:58,255 --> 03:04:01,455
development is predicated on transportation as long as a future

2687
03:04:01,455 --> 03:04:05,255
contemplated two thousand five hundred plus new residents can get

2688
03:04:05,255 --> 03:04:08,795
around fit into the existing transportation system without causing chaos

2689
03:04:09,095 --> 03:04:13,085
and all is great all will not be great

2690
03:04:13,085 --> 03:04:15,965
I will at times be referring to the municipal quality

2691
03:04:15,965 --> 03:04:18,945
of service ratings for transit and cycling services these range

2692
03:04:18,945 --> 03:04:22,025
from a the best to ask the worst possible and

2693
03:04:22,025 --> 03:04:25,835
our call the level of service or LOS ratings

2694
03:04:25,835 --> 03:04:29,615
table one lists the six potential mobility plan strategies for

2695
03:04:29,615 --> 03:04:33,345
this site the first strategies proximity to transit the study

2696
03:04:33,345 --> 03:04:34,875
sites

2697
03:04:34,875 --> 03:04:38,865
eight B. development sites proximity to bus service along young

2698
03:04:38,865 --> 03:04:42,765
street steals Avenue provides convenient access and connections either thirty

2699
03:04:42,765 --> 03:04:45,635
minute walks from the site not really convenient access in

2700
03:04:45,635 --> 03:04:48,665
that rain and heat and slush and ice there is

2701
03:04:48,665 --> 03:04:50,875
a bus stop close to the site however the level

2702
03:04:50,875 --> 03:04:53,955
of service rating is easy for the transit headway or

2703
03:04:53,955 --> 03:04:58,375
bust frequency this is very unsatisfactory checking the walk scores

2704
03:04:58,375 --> 03:05:00,985
for transit it is rated as thirty nine out of

2705
03:05:00,985 --> 03:05:04,565
one hundred or bad some transit a few nearby public

2706
03:05:04,565 --> 03:05:10,025
transportation options the second mobility strategy is bicycle facilities they

2707
03:05:10,025 --> 03:05:13,145
claim connections allow for a variety of commuting and recreational

2708
03:05:13,145 --> 03:05:16,345
cycling choices when looking at the level of service for

2709
03:05:16,345 --> 03:05:20,335
bicycles in appendix D. they evaluate the Bayview intersections at

2710
03:05:20,335 --> 03:05:24,345
green lane royal orchard in John street each intersection corner

2711
03:05:24,345 --> 03:05:27,835
and road segment were rated for combines twenty four scores

2712
03:05:28,135 --> 03:05:30,215
well for ratings had a level of service of the

2713
03:05:30,245 --> 03:05:34,435
E. very unsatisfactory the other twenty ratings all have LOS

2714
03:05:34,435 --> 03:05:38,325
scores of ash the worst possible bicycling is very dangerous

2715
03:05:38,325 --> 03:05:41,095
of the site very few people ride a bicycle for

2716
03:05:41,095 --> 03:05:44,125
commuting or errands nor let their children ride to school

2717
03:05:44,125 --> 03:05:47,865
or to their friends homes third mobility strategies to pedestrian

2718
03:05:47,865 --> 03:05:50,965
context the walk score for the site is thirty seven

2719
03:05:50,965 --> 03:05:54,125
on a scale of one hundred equating to car dependent

2720
03:05:54,155 --> 03:05:58,085
most errands require a car yes you can safely walk

2721
03:05:58,085 --> 03:06:02,045
to the unsatisfactory LOS E. transit and can visit the

2722
03:06:02,045 --> 03:06:05,025
local neighborhoods on foot but not much chance of walking

2723
03:06:05,025 --> 03:06:08,345
for your errands this site is card opinions the fourth

2724
03:06:08,345 --> 03:06:11,815
mobility strategy is a private shuttle service the study claims

2725
03:06:11,815 --> 03:06:15,035
and efficient on site site channel connection is supportive of

2726
03:06:15,035 --> 03:06:18,235
a reduction in Ottawa who use and ownership for residents

2727
03:06:18,555 --> 03:06:21,475
once you own your necessary car pay for insurance and

2728
03:06:21,475 --> 03:06:24,655
parking you'll not want your condo fees going towards paying

2729
03:06:24,655 --> 03:06:28,505
for any level of shuttle service the fifth mobility strategy

2730
03:06:28,655 --> 03:06:31,865
is to reduce car usage this will be accomplished by

2731
03:06:32,115 --> 03:06:34,875
reduce parking standards to encourage residents employee

2732
03:06:34,875 --> 03:06:38,015
some visitors to reconsider the use and ownership of a

2733
03:06:38,015 --> 03:06:40,905
vehicle if there is limited parking at my place of

2734
03:06:40,905 --> 03:06:44,075
employment that is poor transit services or limited parking at

2735
03:06:44,075 --> 03:06:46,805
a friend's home that has poor transit services I will

2736
03:06:46,805 --> 03:06:49,825
not consider selling my car but will consider finding another

2737
03:06:49,825 --> 03:06:52,675
job that is great transit will not visit my friends

2738
03:06:52,675 --> 03:06:55,635
and relatives they can come to visit me it is

2739
03:06:55,635 --> 03:07:00,075
suggested providing insufficient parking isn't the most effective measure to

2740
03:07:00,075 --> 03:07:03,585
get people on transit the the is written in bold

2741
03:07:03,585 --> 03:07:08,235
italicized and underlined perhaps the actual most effective measure to

2742
03:07:08,235 --> 03:07:10,845
get people on transit is to build the project on

2743
03:07:10,845 --> 03:07:13,545
a site that has good transit available such as beside

2744
03:07:13,545 --> 03:07:17,175
higher order transit or subway station with good transit you

2745
03:07:17,175 --> 03:07:20,055
don't need to restrict parking to get people on if

2746
03:07:20,055 --> 03:07:22,265
you have to restrict parking to get people in transit

2747
03:07:22,295 --> 03:07:24,445
the development is not in the correct place and should

2748
03:07:24,445 --> 03:07:26,305
not be built at all

2749
03:07:26,305 --> 03:07:30,465
after the above five mobility strategies unsatisfactory transit bicycling through

2750
03:07:30,465 --> 03:07:33,435
deadly intersections restaurant context to me was you to walk

2751
03:07:33,435 --> 03:07:36,125
to poor transit and around the neighborhood but not for

2752
03:07:36,125 --> 03:07:39,515
Erin's a glorious free shuttle that the private citizens would

2753
03:07:39,515 --> 03:07:43,145
have to pay for in will likely never operate in

2754
03:07:43,145 --> 03:07:46,635
restricted parking so scarce is to force residents reserves employees

2755
03:07:46,635 --> 03:07:49,995
to take transit their last great mobility travel strategy is

2756
03:07:49,995 --> 03:07:54,375
communication promotion to talk the residents into using these alternatives

2757
03:07:54,725 --> 03:07:59,235
they state communication promotion will successfully manage events in special

2758
03:07:59,235 --> 03:08:02,635
circumstances as they arise their plan is no plan at

2759
03:08:02,635 --> 03:08:07,665
all entire transportation demand management proposal the whole urban transportation

2760
03:08:07,665 --> 03:08:11,085
considerations study just proves this development is is raster waiting

2761
03:08:11,085 --> 03:08:13,655
to happen

2762
03:08:13,655 --> 03:08:17,275
this development does not fit in the into the context

2763
03:08:17,275 --> 03:08:20,265
of the very suburban and very car centric John Bayview

2764
03:08:20,265 --> 03:08:22,405
area it does not deserve to see the light of

2765
03:08:22,405 --> 03:08:24,625
day in the city of Markham thank you for your

2766
03:08:24,625 --> 03:08:26,145
time

2767
03:08:26,145 --> 03:08:28,945
all right thank you Jeff and ... appreciate went through

2768
03:08:28,945 --> 03:08:30,965
that quickly but you were right on the button that

2769
03:08:30,965 --> 03:08:35,035
five minutes so great thanks thank you for that and

2770
03:08:35,035 --> 03:08:38,905
some good some good points made as well naturally next

2771
03:08:38,905 --> 03:08:44,025
up is Susan many students

2772
03:08:44,025 --> 03:08:48,395
are you with us

2773
03:08:48,395 --> 03:08:51,265
I see as soon as you are I'm hearing you

2774
03:08:51,955 --> 03:08:54,735
yep there you are perfect any

2775
03:08:54,735 --> 03:08:56,195
Jamie

2776
03:08:56,195 --> 03:09:00,725
yep we can hear and see okay

2777
03:09:00,725 --> 03:09:11,115
just give me one second here

2778
03:09:11,115 --> 03:09:13,965
I'm reading off of my screen so hopefully that's not

2779
03:09:13,965 --> 03:09:18,955
interfering with the performance all right thank you Mr mayor

2780
03:09:18,955 --> 03:09:22,995
Mr Deputy Mayor chair and committee members for hearing my

2781
03:09:22,995 --> 03:09:26,135
comments this evening my name is Susan Anne and I

2782
03:09:26,135 --> 03:09:29,415
am not an expert and urban planning nor member of

2783
03:09:29,445 --> 03:09:34,245
any neighbourhood executive nor an environmental scientist will nor even

2784
03:09:34,245 --> 03:09:37,655
an accountant I come to you to speak with our

2785
03:09:38,225 --> 03:09:41,565
as a concerned citizen with the expertise of living in

2786
03:09:41,565 --> 03:09:45,275
the community of foreign help we currently live online and

2787
03:09:45,275 --> 03:09:49,105
have resided in Thornhill since nineteen eighty so forty one

2788
03:09:49,105 --> 03:09:52,245
years both our sons were born and raised here over

2789
03:09:52,245 --> 03:09:55,275
those years we have watched many changes the community has

2790
03:09:55,275 --> 03:09:58,975
grown and evolved we witnessed the building of the original

2791
03:09:58,975 --> 03:10:02,045
Thornhill square mall in nineteen eighty one the arrival of

2792
03:10:02,045 --> 03:10:07,265
St Luke's accessible living accommodation the rise of the land

2793
03:10:07,265 --> 03:10:09,935
most of the townhouse development to the east of Thornhill

2794
03:10:09,935 --> 03:10:14,075
square the addition the only secondary school just to mention

2795
03:10:14,075 --> 03:10:15,275
a few

2796
03:10:15,275 --> 03:10:18,805
our family has personally utilize the local community resources for

2797
03:10:18,805 --> 03:10:21,695
many years including the ice rink soccer fields will be

2798
03:10:21,695 --> 03:10:26,015
disabilities library resources community center spaces in activities in with

2799
03:10:26,045 --> 03:10:31,365
personally Dennison managing those facilities intensifying her soon to be

2800
03:10:31,365 --> 03:10:33,865
launched into like with their own families now and my

2801
03:10:33,865 --> 03:10:37,455
husband and I sadly have graduated into the arena of

2802
03:10:37,455 --> 03:10:39,615
the senior centre

2803
03:10:39,615 --> 03:10:43,565
I've also worked in Borneo and formula the teacher Thornlea

2804
03:10:43,565 --> 03:10:48,095
secondary school for approximately nineteen years during that time I

2805
03:10:48,095 --> 03:10:50,735
served as the chair of the committee which was established

2806
03:10:50,735 --> 03:10:52,785
to plan the usage of the new bringing which was

2807
03:10:52,785 --> 03:10:56,705
founded with classrooms and computer labs our goal with insuring

2808
03:10:56,705 --> 03:11:01,425
fair apple access for both students and teachers as you

2809
03:11:01,425 --> 03:11:05,625
the stewards of our future in this community move forward

2810
03:11:05,625 --> 03:11:09,265
with these proposals we ask that you ensure the fair

2811
03:11:09,265 --> 03:11:13,645
in fact will access of all residents equal access to

2812
03:11:13,645 --> 03:11:15,755
community resources

2813
03:11:15,755 --> 03:11:18,455
changing noble but I believe that there's a fair and

2814
03:11:18,455 --> 03:11:22,615
equitable access should be the primary driver of decisions it

2815
03:11:22,615 --> 03:11:26,615
must be thought without considered I'm not opposed to development

2816
03:11:26,645 --> 03:11:30,845
but this massive development this massive request on the part

2817
03:11:30,845 --> 03:11:34,305
of liberty is beyond the pale

2818
03:11:34,305 --> 03:11:37,975
the two towers have been approved for baby worthwhile orchard

2819
03:11:38,325 --> 03:11:41,465
that was done sensitive with five towers are proposed at

2820
03:11:41,465 --> 03:11:45,595
Thornhill square formulas where she needed redevelopment for a long

2821
03:11:45,625 --> 03:11:49,675
time the phase five towers with potentially a total of

2822
03:11:49,735 --> 03:11:53,595
eight including face to our as I said beyond the

2823
03:11:53,595 --> 03:11:54,845
pale

2824
03:11:54,845 --> 03:11:59,225
this represents an increase if you take into it top

2825
03:11:59,225 --> 03:12:03,195
fifteen percent of the population towards one in its entirety

2826
03:12:03,745 --> 03:12:07,435
and increase which would be significantly greater for considered immediate

2827
03:12:07,465 --> 03:12:09,995
impact of eight hundred meters we're getting us to the

2828
03:12:10,025 --> 03:12:14,145
interest section phase three nine this increase does not include

2829
03:12:14,145 --> 03:12:17,705
the development proposed for World War Jim Young which will

2830
03:12:17,705 --> 03:12:20,665
be on the subway line and it does not include

2831
03:12:20,665 --> 03:12:23,715
the proposals some of which have been approved for lunch

2832
03:12:23,715 --> 03:12:29,845
actively if you exclude the current proposal for seventy seven

2833
03:12:29,845 --> 03:12:34,245
fifty baby we will reach over thirty three thousand three

2834
03:12:34,245 --> 03:12:40,045
thirty two thousand new future Imran documents and this intensification

2835
03:12:40,675 --> 03:12:44,185
will result in an increase of eighty three percent we

2836
03:12:44,185 --> 03:12:47,435
didn't well within the poll's of the York region intensification

2837
03:12:47,435 --> 03:12:49,445
plans

2838
03:12:49,445 --> 03:12:51,595


2839
03:12:51,595 --> 03:12:54,515
there's one small story that I would like to challenge

2840
03:12:54,515 --> 03:12:57,945
them running out of time just give me the hands

2841
03:12:57,945 --> 03:13:01,605
I worked with the quality of the secondary moved north

2842
03:13:01,605 --> 03:13:05,245
to sixteenth Avenue in the late nineteen nineties a year

2843
03:13:05,245 --> 03:13:08,635
and a half later they moved back down onto the

2844
03:13:08,665 --> 03:13:12,715
on to ... Lindemann they could not stand the traffic

2845
03:13:12,815 --> 03:13:17,005
and that was in nineteen ninety eight the traffic is

2846
03:13:17,005 --> 03:13:21,545
absolutely impossible and to put this amount of

2847
03:13:21,545 --> 03:13:26,275
occupants on that land the traffic plans that they are

2848
03:13:26,275 --> 03:13:30,755
proposing we just create total chaos you would be empty

2849
03:13:30,755 --> 03:13:33,465
to the fire station and the paramedics to come out

2850
03:13:33,465 --> 03:13:36,575
of there this development should be pursued with that in

2851
03:13:36,575 --> 03:13:41,185
mind for compatibility in both design and client these buildings

2852
03:13:41,185 --> 03:13:44,785
that are proposed far more than double the proposed held

2853
03:13:44,875 --> 03:13:47,825
square development two point six times the height of the

2854
03:13:47,825 --> 03:13:51,785
existing landmark condominiums five point five times higher than the

2855
03:13:52,175 --> 03:13:55,175
office tower eight times higher than the John street in

2856
03:13:55,175 --> 03:13:59,265
Johnson village townhomes and twelve times the height the average

2857
03:13:59,265 --> 03:14:02,715
from these buildings are much more in line with what

2858
03:14:02,715 --> 03:14:07,215
should be in the high impact transit corridors which have

2859
03:14:07,215 --> 03:14:08,735
been

2860
03:14:08,735 --> 03:14:13,365
set aside it does not belong in this particular area

2861
03:14:13,365 --> 03:14:15,435
thank you and thank you to all of the other

2862
03:14:15,435 --> 03:14:18,785
individuals who have presented I have learned so much from

2863
03:14:18,785 --> 03:14:22,375
her presentation and I ask you the community as the

2864
03:14:22,375 --> 03:14:26,925
steward future should consider this

2865
03:14:26,925 --> 03:14:30,795
thank you I thank you thank you Susan next up

2866
03:14:30,825 --> 03:14:35,925
is Transocean

2867
03:14:35,925 --> 03:14:38,745
see you on the screen there

2868
03:14:38,745 --> 03:14:44,305
PM I'm your body about five minutes thank you thank

2869
03:14:44,305 --> 03:14:46,475
you for giving them

2870
03:14:46,475 --> 03:14:49,355
I am it is different than property owner

2871
03:14:49,355 --> 03:14:52,135
and so wanted to fire yeah when you look at

2872
03:14:52,135 --> 03:14:54,165
it on the east side of did you have when

2873
03:14:54,165 --> 03:14:55,775
you

2874
03:14:55,775 --> 03:14:59,575
the girls from the subject lands

2875
03:14:59,575 --> 03:15:03,935
there is quality of life impact with the proposed development

2876
03:15:04,625 --> 03:15:08,265
excellence on Plains you'll be here when you the property

2877
03:15:08,265 --> 03:15:10,315
is currently zoned was there one thank you for your

2878
03:15:10,315 --> 03:15:13,635
needs this application ignores

2879
03:15:13,635 --> 03:15:17,335
this is N. six the amendment approvals to build does

2880
03:15:17,335 --> 03:15:21,305
include one thousand to eighty seven units

2881
03:15:21,305 --> 03:15:24,475
that use them three do add the seven twenty five

2882
03:15:24,475 --> 03:15:28,155
units of the liturgy that you rent your total the

2883
03:15:28,305 --> 03:15:31,575
two thousand drainage almost did but all of that but

2884
03:15:31,575 --> 03:15:34,735
we get by the site specific policies

2885
03:15:34,735 --> 03:15:38,185
I was beginning I am speaking today to express my

2886
03:15:38,185 --> 03:15:43,555
concern and objection to the application for the immense N.

2887
03:15:43,615 --> 03:15:47,835
to go on record to request that it be denied

2888
03:15:47,835 --> 03:15:49,585
I have a dream

2889
03:15:49,585 --> 03:15:54,105
concerns one of the enrollment

2890
03:15:54,105 --> 03:15:59,215
again safety impacts and turn is you energizing Clement damaging

2891
03:15:59,215 --> 03:16:01,605
his intense you doing that you

2892
03:16:01,605 --> 03:16:03,955
in terms of the environment

2893
03:16:03,955 --> 03:16:07,655
the subject lands are currently a wonderful green space in

2894
03:16:07,655 --> 03:16:12,015
spite of the fact that the proposed zoning includes the

2895
03:16:12,015 --> 03:16:15,715
public spaces and walking trails you could have a major

2896
03:16:15,715 --> 03:16:18,265
impact on the environment

2897
03:16:18,265 --> 03:16:22,015
in regards to safety and traffic impacts

2898
03:16:22,015 --> 03:16:24,185
I have a number of points I am pleased to

2899
03:16:24,185 --> 03:16:26,285
continue

2900
03:16:26,285 --> 03:16:30,155
number one is there are you needed muster Johnson they

2901
03:16:30,155 --> 03:16:31,375
have yet

2902
03:16:31,375 --> 03:16:34,145
a long value or John street

2903
03:16:34,145 --> 03:16:37,725
WFSB buster and it's just dumb

2904
03:16:37,725 --> 03:16:41,665
to get started extent

2905
03:16:41,665 --> 03:16:45,925
there are no plans for higher order transit development

2906
03:16:45,925 --> 03:16:49,225
in the immediate area

2907
03:16:49,225 --> 03:16:52,435
therefore he connect you would be willing pays to an

2908
03:16:52,435 --> 03:16:54,335
unsafe level

2909
03:16:54,335 --> 03:16:58,155
secondly Steffi can be done in the area

2910
03:16:58,155 --> 03:17:03,495
of the subject lands on Bayview Avenue in Glendora extremely

2911
03:17:03,495 --> 03:17:08,375
congested during the morning and late afternoon Russell's

2912
03:17:08,375 --> 03:17:13,295
significant delays that experienced a southbound in the morning and

2913
03:17:13,295 --> 03:17:16,275
northbound in the late afternoon

2914
03:17:16,275 --> 03:17:19,585
it in one thousand to eighty seven involvement dwelling units

2915
03:17:20,305 --> 03:17:23,635
we've only had to this traffic condition

2916
03:17:23,635 --> 03:17:27,735
it also goes more motor used to used

2917
03:17:27,735 --> 03:17:32,465
but the residential streets redemption will award the trophy

2918
03:17:32,465 --> 03:17:35,915
in particular that a long road or Jack Williams willow

2919
03:17:35,915 --> 03:17:40,055
brook road Elland road green lane and joins Street would

2920
03:17:40,055 --> 03:17:45,675
be seriously affected by hearing significantly more residential units and

2921
03:17:45,675 --> 03:17:50,485
the vehicles in the area ... the existing orders from

2922
03:17:50,485 --> 03:17:54,875
the recital debut religion that proceeds noted to Laura to

2923
03:17:54,875 --> 03:17:58,795
orchard Boulevard is very musical and you read the graphic

2924
03:17:58,795 --> 03:18:02,525
using it to go to the landmark buildings Israel is

2925
03:18:02,605 --> 03:18:05,245
still loyal generous but we

2926
03:18:05,245 --> 03:18:09,605
user says the lord is also used by vehicles wishing

2927
03:18:09,605 --> 03:18:12,405
to close out one two billion

2928
03:18:12,405 --> 03:18:16,605
the proposed development plans agree extend that exist in order

2929
03:18:17,185 --> 03:18:20,725
to meet the rest on extension of Green late that

2930
03:18:20,725 --> 03:18:23,815
the current insurance or to short as well

2931
03:18:23,815 --> 03:18:26,035
this is related to you one more where he goes

2932
03:18:26,195 --> 03:18:29,945
on to the accessible and we're committed to backups and

2933
03:18:29,945 --> 03:18:35,295
the drilling and Bayview intersection that featured south of Lolo

2934
03:18:35,295 --> 03:18:39,925
Jones was in get ready unzips the judicial for drivers

2935
03:18:40,015 --> 03:18:41,905
and pedestrians

2936
03:18:41,905 --> 03:18:44,765
do exist but it does you

2937
03:18:44,765 --> 03:18:48,435
the rail crossing along green lane is a level crossing

2938
03:18:48,515 --> 03:18:52,505
and you just considerably that the traffic could make up

2939
03:18:52,505 --> 03:18:55,195
moved maybe you run a slow moving god will bring

2940
03:18:55,195 --> 03:18:59,475
is busting with the initial notes so many new units

2941
03:18:59,475 --> 03:19:00,755
for

2942
03:19:00,755 --> 03:19:03,965
the land mine complex where are you there is a

2943
03:19:03,965 --> 03:19:08,475
serious problem with the both commercial and personal vehicle using

2944
03:19:08,515 --> 03:19:11,985
a lot of private roads is a shortcut menu and

2945
03:19:11,985 --> 03:19:15,285
green lane ... err Ward the congestion on the view

2946
03:19:16,005 --> 03:19:19,855
this is a serious their duty is to oversee done

2947
03:19:20,395 --> 03:19:25,645
in particular children and seniors walking the sidewalks and by

2948
03:19:25,645 --> 03:19:28,275
to give you a local report

2949
03:19:28,275 --> 03:19:32,715
increasing the number of road residence immediately just on your

2950
03:19:32,715 --> 03:19:38,315
property related to the number of vehicles using this shortcut

2951
03:19:38,315 --> 03:19:42,045
in addition to the approved allotment project

2952
03:19:42,045 --> 03:19:44,895
well the oil then you the expansion plans for the

2953
03:19:44,895 --> 03:19:48,715
red hat being loaded the proposed Ms bread known open

2954
03:19:48,715 --> 03:19:53,595
football news grant this development will add tremendous population density

2955
03:19:54,055 --> 03:19:57,065
in the local area sergeant

2956
03:19:57,065 --> 03:19:59,435
such a drastic rise in dense you can relate them

2957
03:19:59,435 --> 03:20:03,745
soon really negative impacts on already

2958
03:20:03,745 --> 03:20:09,815
since since I was calling community and recreation facilities serving

2959
03:20:09,855 --> 03:20:11,495
the area

2960
03:20:11,495 --> 03:20:15,065
the development application is of serious concern to the old

2961
03:20:15,065 --> 03:20:16,735
one if you don't

2962
03:20:16,735 --> 03:20:20,535
there and I expect this committee and all of council

2963
03:20:20,535 --> 03:20:24,165
board to reviews consultant every

2964
03:20:24,165 --> 03:20:27,765
and for our councillor to represent the supporting G. I.

2965
03:20:27,765 --> 03:20:32,105
O. did you ... denied the application and limit development

2966
03:20:32,105 --> 03:20:35,795
device that once implanted been there when you limited partners

2967
03:20:35,795 --> 03:20:40,535
in that currently in the official plan seven hundred by

2968
03:20:40,535 --> 03:20:44,165
units the building will what is height thank you very

2969
03:20:44,165 --> 03:20:48,985
much of them the chit at Miller's mobile manner

2970
03:20:48,985 --> 03:20:52,935
eight thank you thank you Sir Mister chair Mister chair

2971
03:20:53,555 --> 03:20:57,405
yes Sir sorry sorry to interrupt you but ... only

2972
03:20:57,405 --> 03:21:02,215
because I think there's still some landmark residence ... better

2973
03:21:02,215 --> 03:21:07,835
either watching ... or stolen in the zoom meeting and

2974
03:21:07,835 --> 03:21:10,395
and started back to grasp but ... just because a

2975
03:21:10,395 --> 03:21:13,215
couple couple people brought it up ... one it's just

2976
03:21:13,215 --> 03:21:16,455
to kind of highlight the work that you did with

2977
03:21:16,585 --> 03:21:19,495
of the tri del application could you just give a

2978
03:21:19,495 --> 03:21:23,625
quick like I mean quick ... update on on what

2979
03:21:23,705 --> 03:21:26,825
you agreed to in terms of dealing with the people

2980
03:21:26,825 --> 03:21:29,155
cutting through in the landmark is a few people have

2981
03:21:29,155 --> 03:21:32,045
brought it up now and I won you know obviously

2982
03:21:32,045 --> 03:21:34,875
it's not it's tough to always get

2983
03:21:34,875 --> 03:21:38,005
... communication out to everybody and that they understand that

2984
03:21:38,005 --> 03:21:40,805
so could you just quickly say what you accomplish their

2985
03:21:41,175 --> 03:21:44,345
... with the support of council and the and obviously

2986
03:21:44,375 --> 03:21:46,755
try to all the applicant

2987
03:21:46,755 --> 03:21:49,285
well I think if you're if you're referring to there's

2988
03:21:49,285 --> 03:21:53,045
two things obviously ... you we lobbied very very hard

2989
03:21:53,045 --> 03:21:56,445
for a traffic light wear Ward orchard currently meets baby

2990
03:21:56,445 --> 03:21:59,295
but in lieu of that the application before us tonight

2991
03:21:59,295 --> 03:22:02,805
of course would extend the warlord true to connected green

2992
03:22:02,805 --> 03:22:05,745
lane at Bayview if it if it proceeds to council

2993
03:22:06,085 --> 03:22:08,935
the other areas it's actually the shared services board of

2994
03:22:08,935 --> 03:22:12,895
the three landmark buildings made an arrangement with tri delts

2995
03:22:12,895 --> 03:22:16,955
for technology that will read license plate numbers so that

2996
03:22:16,985 --> 03:22:21,455
only those vehicles authorized under the landmark property will be

2997
03:22:21,455 --> 03:22:26,635
able to automatically activate the traffic arms thereby eliminating any

2998
03:22:26,635 --> 03:22:29,755
cross through traffic on one

2999
03:22:29,755 --> 03:22:33,465
thanks yes it was the second point the first one

3000
03:22:33,465 --> 03:22:35,955
... yeah we all worked out and I and I

3001
03:22:35,955 --> 03:22:38,235
just I know you were involved in all aspects of

3002
03:22:38,235 --> 03:22:40,435
it but that's the one I want to highlight just

3003
03:22:40,435 --> 03:22:43,005
because some people a great step a few times so

3004
03:22:43,005 --> 03:22:46,695
obviously they are on aware of the ... the advance

3005
03:22:46,915 --> 03:22:49,515
advancement you made ... what we were dealing with that

3006
03:22:49,515 --> 03:22:52,225
application so thanks I didn't want to pick up a

3007
03:22:52,225 --> 03:22:55,105
lot of time but it is worth mentioning okay thank

3008
03:22:55,105 --> 03:22:58,805
you I appreciate that okay next up is Lulu we

3009
03:22:58,805 --> 03:23:00,725
did have a note in the chat though that they

3010
03:23:00,725 --> 03:23:03,155
were putting their children to bed a few minutes before

3011
03:23:03,155 --> 03:23:06,035
ten and they were are gonna do that and come

3012
03:23:06,035 --> 03:23:08,235
back at the back

3013
03:23:08,235 --> 03:23:10,065
it's been a while since I've had to put children

3014
03:23:10,065 --> 03:23:14,145
to bed so I can't recall how long it takes

3015
03:23:14,145 --> 03:23:16,795
sometimes it can take a while I think

3016
03:23:16,795 --> 03:23:22,185
all right not yet not back yet okay welcome back

3017
03:23:22,255 --> 03:23:24,425
Andrew Chung

3018
03:23:24,425 --> 03:23:27,005
Andrew are you with us

3019
03:23:27,005 --> 03:23:30,675
I see you on the screen there you are just

3020
03:23:30,675 --> 03:23:37,865
a new yourself and you have five minutes Sir

3021
03:23:37,865 --> 03:23:39,275
okay

3022
03:23:39,275 --> 03:23:41,645
good evening my name is amber Chong thank you for

3023
03:23:41,645 --> 03:23:44,915
the opportunity to voice my concerns regarding the development at

3024
03:23:44,915 --> 03:23:49,055
seven seven fifty baby robin you I've been a resident's

3025
03:23:49,055 --> 03:23:52,595
on Julia street in Thornhill for over forty years and

3026
03:23:52,595 --> 03:23:56,075
I've seen many changes during to the community during this

3027
03:23:56,075 --> 03:24:01,215
time I am very concerned with this current development proposal

3028
03:24:01,215 --> 03:24:04,645
called the proposal calls for five towers ranging in height

3029
03:24:04,645 --> 03:24:08,295
from eighteen to thirty four stories this does not fit

3030
03:24:08,295 --> 03:24:11,905
in with the look and feel of our neighbor community

3031
03:24:11,905 --> 03:24:17,095
the market regional plan permits a maximum of 8 stories

3032
03:24:17,095 --> 03:24:20,725
calls requesting an increase of approximately two to four times

3033
03:24:20,725 --> 03:24:22,545
the permitted height

3034
03:24:22,545 --> 03:24:25,795
the proposal also requests an increase in the site density

3035
03:24:25,795 --> 03:24:30,275
from two point zero four point zero eight SR or

3036
03:24:30,275 --> 03:24:35,785
floor space index this is twice the permitted amount buildings

3037
03:24:35,785 --> 03:24:39,035
eighteen to thirty five stories does not conform to our

3038
03:24:39,035 --> 03:24:40,675
community

3039
03:24:40,675 --> 03:24:43,745
the market official plan provides for a maximum of seven

3040
03:24:43,745 --> 03:24:48,185
hundred twenty five units the proposal calls for one thousand

3041
03:24:48,185 --> 03:24:52,215
two hundred eighty seven residential units or one point eight

3042
03:24:52,215 --> 03:24:54,645
times the units per minute

3043
03:24:54,645 --> 03:24:58,875
including face to a total of two thousand and twelve

3044
03:24:58,875 --> 03:25:03,645
units are proposed fourteen point eight times units permitted

3045
03:25:03,645 --> 03:25:06,375
I hope the council will reject the proposed increase in

3046
03:25:06,375 --> 03:25:09,695
height density and the number of units to support the

3047
03:25:09,695 --> 03:25:14,875
development which will result in increased traffic and congestion especially

3048
03:25:14,875 --> 03:25:17,975
on our smaller residential streets

3049
03:25:17,975 --> 03:25:22,245
the proposal calls for a reduction in resolution residential parking

3050
03:25:22,245 --> 03:25:25,555
rates from one point two five to one point zero

3051
03:25:25,555 --> 03:25:27,625
space per unit

3052
03:25:27,625 --> 03:25:29,985
the lack of rapid transit in the areas such as

3053
03:25:29,985 --> 03:25:33,645
the subway may result in a higher number of occupants

3054
03:25:33,815 --> 03:25:37,145
of the development using a car to commute to work

3055
03:25:37,575 --> 03:25:41,055
thus requiring more parking spaces than being proposed by the

3056
03:25:41,055 --> 03:25:42,585
developer

3057
03:25:42,585 --> 03:25:46,115
the proposal also calls for reduction in visitor parking rates

3058
03:25:46,625 --> 03:25:49,595
from zero point two five to zero point one visitor

3059
03:25:49,595 --> 03:25:51,695
spaces per unit

3060
03:25:51,695 --> 03:25:55,085
or reduction in the visitor parking space could result in

3061
03:25:55,085 --> 03:25:59,915
gas parking on nearby side streets Thornhill community center and

3062
03:25:59,915 --> 03:26:03,345
the proponent males Park I hope the amendments to permit

3063
03:26:03,345 --> 03:26:08,315
the reduction residential district park manager also rejected

3064
03:26:08,315 --> 03:26:10,765
I am also concerned about any changes to the green

3065
03:26:10,765 --> 03:26:14,945
wave boundaries that would reduce the available green space we

3066
03:26:14,945 --> 03:26:17,535
need to preserve as much screen space in the community

3067
03:26:17,535 --> 03:26:19,215
as possible

3068
03:26:19,215 --> 03:26:22,125
I am not against the development of the property but

3069
03:26:22,125 --> 03:26:24,165
I do believe it should be done in a way

3070
03:26:24,165 --> 03:26:27,105
that fits in with the community and follows the Markham

3071
03:26:27,105 --> 03:26:30,465
official plan and zoning bylaws thank you very much for

3072
03:26:30,465 --> 03:26:31,945
your time

3073
03:26:31,945 --> 03:26:40,045
thank you Andrew next is David Ellison

3074
03:26:40,045 --> 03:26:42,355
I gave you have 5 minutes

3075
03:26:42,355 --> 03:26:53,575
your presentation

3076
03:26:56,915 --> 03:27:01,345
the presentation

3077
03:27:01,345 --> 03:27:02,865
yes we can

3078
03:27:02,865 --> 03:27:05,165
okay thank you

3079
03:27:05,165 --> 03:27:09,335
members of council starts on residential phone hello

3080
03:27:09,335 --> 03:27:11,935
soon home is one of the largest areas of Markham

3081
03:27:12,505 --> 03:27:15,535
comprising four thousand acres

3082
03:27:15,535 --> 03:27:19,165
it has been largely develops according to the official plan

3083
03:27:19,675 --> 03:27:25,415
is land use patterns are well established stable until

3084
03:27:25,415 --> 03:27:29,365
we should make sure we protect heritage buildings just west

3085
03:27:29,365 --> 03:27:31,795
side of July fourth middle which I'm showing on the

3086
03:27:31,795 --> 03:27:33,745
presentation here

3087
03:27:33,745 --> 03:27:36,395
this is all conjecture is based on Frank Lloyd Wright's

3088
03:27:36,955 --> 03:27:40,965
with the building being integrated into the landscape

3089
03:27:40,965 --> 03:27:44,075
the surrounding natural heritage in the garden landscape should also

3090
03:27:44,075 --> 03:27:48,125
be designated and protected

3091
03:27:48,125 --> 03:27:51,375
the promoter creek ecological corridor

3092
03:27:51,375 --> 03:27:53,975
needs to be wider and better protected than is currently

3093
03:27:53,975 --> 03:27:56,675
proposed in the development plan

3094
03:27:56,675 --> 03:28:00,835
this can be done

3095
03:28:00,835 --> 03:28:03,285
property has a very high water table as you can

3096
03:28:03,285 --> 03:28:05,285
see on this map

3097
03:28:05,285 --> 03:28:08,665
the right hand side inside the right over the projections

3098
03:28:08,665 --> 03:28:12,905
location over shoulders hospital is

3099
03:28:12,905 --> 03:28:16,245
you should also be taken into account when taking anyone

3100
03:28:16,245 --> 03:28:20,405
doing any part of the problem

3101
03:28:20,405 --> 03:28:23,615
in addition to members there are examples of new developments

3102
03:28:24,065 --> 03:28:29,975
the respect the surrounding areas and the previous neighbourhoods

3103
03:28:29,975 --> 03:28:33,535
one of them is a point was at Huntington condominium

3104
03:28:33,965 --> 03:28:39,425
on Bayview Avenue which is just north of Eglinton Avenue

3105
03:28:39,425 --> 03:28:42,015
it's a good problem such that it is not possible

3106
03:28:42,045 --> 03:28:43,955
to see the two programs from the houses to the

3107
03:28:43,955 --> 03:28:47,615
sales to the rules so it is point two condominiums

3108
03:28:47,615 --> 03:28:51,945
being on higher ground this picture was taken pointed directly

3109
03:28:51,945 --> 03:28:55,175
to the condominiums and then all of a little

3110
03:28:55,175 --> 03:28:57,695
... because of the way this is being done that

3111
03:28:57,955 --> 03:29:01,245
before and also the condominiums I'll be restricted to a

3112
03:29:01,245 --> 03:29:04,195
storage

3113
03:29:04,195 --> 03:29:08,035
if we look at the actual condominium cells they are

3114
03:29:08,135 --> 03:29:10,955
like this is the storeys high and on the north

3115
03:29:10,955 --> 03:29:13,325
side on the rights you can see the beginning of

3116
03:29:13,325 --> 03:29:16,415
the both of which separates it from the previous photograph

3117
03:29:16,415 --> 03:29:21,325
with rivers I'm sure

3118
03:29:21,325 --> 03:29:24,275
we moved out to for help

3119
03:29:24,275 --> 03:29:26,505
this is what the residents on the south side of

3120
03:29:26,505 --> 03:29:30,345
the full size property currently seen this is ... bear

3121
03:29:30,345 --> 03:29:34,305
with gates which is the nearest ... seven presidential properties

3122
03:29:34,305 --> 03:29:37,475
south of the proposed development

3123
03:29:37,475 --> 03:29:40,935
and I have an artistic rendering that this is approximately

3124
03:29:40,935 --> 03:29:44,805
what they might see as volume goes ahead

3125
03:29:44,805 --> 03:29:47,675
so there's a significant change in a landscape for these

3126
03:29:47,675 --> 03:29:51,265
residents

3127
03:29:51,265 --> 03:29:54,705
another view is taken here this is from confiscates further

3128
03:29:54,705 --> 03:29:57,495
to the south on the other side of Jones once

3129
03:29:57,495 --> 03:30:00,785
again with an artistic rendering we can see that the

3130
03:30:01,555 --> 03:30:06,045
development will produce a significant change in the arm what

3131
03:30:06,045 --> 03:30:12,285
the residents would see

3132
03:30:12,285 --> 03:30:14,815
the proposal does not take into account I think the

3133
03:30:14,815 --> 03:30:16,525
heritage building

3134
03:30:16,525 --> 03:30:23,235
the natural environment more former residence which is from cells

3135
03:30:23,235 --> 03:30:25,565
we can understand the voting in areas that is already

3136
03:30:25,565 --> 03:30:27,225
on the concrete

3137
03:30:27,225 --> 03:30:29,245
one of those rules and does not have any green

3138
03:30:29,245 --> 03:30:31,715
error

3139
03:30:31,715 --> 03:30:34,405
this for example is not how we anticipate what how

3140
03:30:34,405 --> 03:30:36,995
we she's one hell to be with a small amount

3141
03:30:36,995 --> 03:30:43,175
of green area and a large developments

3142
03:30:43,175 --> 03:30:46,885
June this is the ... source code I should run

3143
03:30:46,885 --> 03:30:50,245
lands took to green area around shoulder ice this is

3144
03:30:50,245 --> 03:30:52,275
true the droll that is one of the green centres

3145
03:30:52,275 --> 03:30:54,135
of phone hello

3146
03:30:54,135 --> 03:30:58,505
it contrary to the current approach needs to combat such

3147
03:30:58,505 --> 03:31:02,495
things as global warming

3148
03:31:02,495 --> 03:31:05,485
what what the green area developments for something on highway

3149
03:31:05,485 --> 03:31:06,775
seven

3150
03:31:06,775 --> 03:31:11,025
for district closes on my research from Kennedy rose one

3151
03:31:11,025 --> 03:31:14,455
steel Avenue where there are jobs

3152
03:31:14,455 --> 03:31:17,415
someone who is already being inundated with developments on the

3153
03:31:17,415 --> 03:31:19,335
young street corridor

3154
03:31:19,335 --> 03:31:23,265
as well as owning stocks

3155
03:31:23,265 --> 03:31:25,475
we expect this plan to be sent back to the

3156
03:31:25,475 --> 03:31:27,165
drawing board

3157
03:31:27,165 --> 03:31:30,825
it can be scaled down to a more reasonable level

3158
03:31:30,825 --> 03:31:34,325
8 storeys as defined in the official plan

3159
03:31:34,325 --> 03:31:38,415
or even better move this development to another area of

3160
03:31:38,415 --> 03:31:40,015
Markham

3161
03:31:40,015 --> 03:31:45,485
thank you for your time

3162
03:31:45,485 --> 03:31:50,355
thank you David next is Joan on's burger

3163
03:31:50,355 --> 03:31:53,195
it just get you to stop sharing your screen David

3164
03:31:53,195 --> 03:31:54,825
if you may

3165
03:31:54,825 --> 03:31:56,215
getting to work

3166
03:31:56,215 --> 03:32:01,985
yeah

3167
03:32:01,985 --> 03:32:05,805
your own Joan arms burger journey with us I think

3168
03:32:05,995 --> 03:32:08,595
I lost you yep we can see in the area

3169
03:32:08,595 --> 03:32:13,235
of John you have five minutes yes ... the salient

3170
03:32:13,235 --> 03:32:16,585
question I would ask the council is what does this

3171
03:32:17,155 --> 03:32:21,785
development do for Thornhill what does it add to our

3172
03:32:21,785 --> 03:32:23,405
community

3173
03:32:23,405 --> 03:32:29,055
it add shadows to people's backyards it adds traffic and

3174
03:32:29,165 --> 03:32:31,865
up on a narrow road

3175
03:32:31,865 --> 03:32:35,635
it adds the amount of people and pets in the

3176
03:32:35,635 --> 03:32:39,885
surrounding parks if there's going to be twenty five hundred

3177
03:32:39,885 --> 03:32:43,565
people in units there's going to be a thousand dogs

3178
03:32:43,865 --> 03:32:47,375
who need to be watered where

3179
03:32:47,375 --> 03:32:52,225
they will add to the manure produced

3180
03:32:52,225 --> 03:32:54,545
this

3181
03:32:54,545 --> 03:32:59,375
condominium development does not follow the secondary plan of the

3182
03:32:59,375 --> 03:33:04,595
intensification only young street and highway seven were identified for

3183
03:33:04,595 --> 03:33:10,725
intensification millionaires do not take buses they are going to

3184
03:33:10,725 --> 03:33:13,295
be in cars

3185
03:33:13,295 --> 03:33:17,085
it doesn't meet the housing needs of of our people

3186
03:33:17,115 --> 03:33:21,165
where are the workers who support the million Arabs where

3187
03:33:21,165 --> 03:33:23,935
are they coming from how are we going to help

3188
03:33:23,935 --> 03:33:26,905
the homeless how are we going to help the disadvantage

3189
03:33:27,385 --> 03:33:31,255
with more millionaires to Thornhill

3190
03:33:31,255 --> 03:33:36,265
there isn't enough transition from the buildings of the heritage

3191
03:33:36,295 --> 03:33:42,275
to this huge intensification the glass facade is probably going

3192
03:33:42,275 --> 03:33:45,465
to increase the bird strike for the birds next door

3193
03:33:45,465 --> 03:33:49,365
to it it will lead to the destruction of animal

3194
03:33:49,365 --> 03:33:50,855
life

3195
03:33:50,855 --> 03:33:56,885
it will add the on fire of response twinning as

3196
03:33:56,885 --> 03:34:02,765
an example I was requesting a ... I live on

3197
03:34:02,765 --> 03:34:06,465
Elkan Street ... which is one street so th of

3198
03:34:06,465 --> 03:34:09,395
John street I lived in the community for over fifty

3199
03:34:09,395 --> 03:34:13,335
years and I was asking for street of Perot's speed

3200
03:34:13,335 --> 03:34:17,425
hump on elegant Street in the fire chief told me

3201
03:34:18,055 --> 03:34:21,515
Donna and this was five years ago over five years

3202
03:34:21,515 --> 03:34:27,315
ago on average of three there were thirty calls on

3203
03:34:27,315 --> 03:34:33,465
royal orchard fifteen on John street and to on elegant

3204
03:34:33,465 --> 03:34:39,265
Street that's without increasing the population from this development the

3205
03:34:39,265 --> 03:34:43,925
development across the street and its surrounding so the current

3206
03:34:43,925 --> 03:34:48,145
residents are going to increase the response time for their

3207
03:34:48,145 --> 03:34:52,625
fire of people even though the new of

3208
03:34:52,625 --> 03:34:55,415
paramedic building is not going to be on Glen Cameron

3209
03:34:55,415 --> 03:34:59,025
so at least we might get an ambulance

3210
03:34:59,025 --> 03:35:03,395
because Barker trucks can't go down that pinch point on

3211
03:35:03,395 --> 03:35:06,625
the bridge at John street because it's one way and

3212
03:35:06,625 --> 03:35:09,375
there's no place for anyone to pullover if a fire

3213
03:35:09,375 --> 03:35:12,505
truck needed to go down there

3214
03:35:12,505 --> 03:35:16,705
it takes away the privacy of the existing homes it

3215
03:35:16,705 --> 03:35:22,625
lurches over of the golf course in the homes

3216
03:35:22,625 --> 03:35:26,345
and some

3217
03:35:26,345 --> 03:35:29,885
of with earlier tried all of the building they were

3218
03:35:29,885 --> 03:35:33,865
going to leave standards I don't see anything that helps

3219
03:35:33,865 --> 03:35:36,295
the environment

3220
03:35:36,295 --> 03:35:40,195
the other thing this development is being taken in isolation

3221
03:35:40,475 --> 03:35:43,595
if they develop across the street to John and Bayview

3222
03:35:43,955 --> 03:35:48,245
... the food basics will go if they developed the

3223
03:35:48,245 --> 03:35:54,315
royal orchards ... development the food basics goes the the

3224
03:35:54,345 --> 03:35:58,665
new development a calmer and young food basics has been

3225
03:35:58,665 --> 03:36:03,005
eliminated there is food security

3226
03:36:03,005 --> 03:36:08,185
issues also with this and if we are to talk

3227
03:36:08,185 --> 03:36:11,065
about ...

3228
03:36:11,065 --> 03:36:13,695
I just wanna make sure

3229
03:36:13,695 --> 03:36:16,605
the other is an example I was going to talk

3230
03:36:16,605 --> 03:36:21,325
about in terms of increased and traffic are at Arnold

3231
03:36:21,325 --> 03:36:25,935
and young ... which is the extension of elegant ...

3232
03:36:25,985 --> 03:36:31,195
date built one seven storey condo

3233
03:36:31,195 --> 03:36:35,645
the increase in traffic was ten fold on one seven

3234
03:36:35,645 --> 03:36:40,855
story condominium and all of that traffic filters on to

3235
03:36:40,855 --> 03:36:44,435
Henderson so that they can then turn right on to

3236
03:36:44,995 --> 03:36:49,375
John street so with one

3237
03:36:49,375 --> 03:36:54,105
increase if it was ten fold on one seven storey

3238
03:36:54,105 --> 03:36:59,815
condo five stories I can't imagine

3239
03:36:59,815 --> 03:37:01,525
and

3240
03:37:01,525 --> 03:37:06,325
let's get to the developer itself let's use your own

3241
03:37:06,355 --> 03:37:10,305
jump start interrupt you have about a minute yes ...

3242
03:37:10,475 --> 03:37:16,885
past the past performance doesn't predict future performance world on

3243
03:37:16,885 --> 03:37:20,905
young was allowed forty five and that was brought down

3244
03:37:20,905 --> 03:37:23,725
to thirty five because the subway was going to be

3245
03:37:23,805 --> 03:37:26,665
built right away and we know if we put a

3246
03:37:26,665 --> 03:37:29,475
shovel in the ground today it will be ten years

3247
03:37:29,655 --> 03:37:33,865
on young street there is no buses no subways that

3248
03:37:33,865 --> 03:37:35,405
will match

3249
03:37:35,405 --> 03:37:38,735
so I think we have to look at the past

3250
03:37:38,735 --> 03:37:43,575
performance of those developer in in trying to build and

3251
03:37:43,575 --> 03:37:47,945
listen and to know that if they how many times

3252
03:37:48,115 --> 03:37:51,905
did they actually to deliver what they said and they're

3253
03:37:51,905 --> 03:37:55,165
park space for world on young is one kilometer away

3254
03:37:55,165 --> 03:38:00,205
from their five towers so I believe they should have

3255
03:38:00,275 --> 03:38:03,415
a lot more green space a lot more parkland if

3256
03:38:03,415 --> 03:38:07,015
they're going to bring in that incredible incredible amount thank

3257
03:38:07,015 --> 03:38:09,125
you for your time

3258
03:38:09,125 --> 03:38:11,975
thank you John okay I'm just gonna go back up

3259
03:38:11,975 --> 03:38:14,705
to two people that were on the list but ...

3260
03:38:14,705 --> 03:38:19,105
were no shows when I call them John this

3261
03:38:19,105 --> 03:38:21,535
or if that's the type of John Hughes is John

3262
03:38:21,535 --> 03:38:24,355
joined this

3263
03:38:24,355 --> 03:38:27,875
Laura any sign of John

3264
03:38:27,875 --> 03:38:30,785
your character don't see any signs of John okay all

3265
03:38:30,785 --> 03:38:33,715
right I'm gonna scratch him from the list is next

3266
03:38:33,715 --> 03:38:35,425
is Lulu

3267
03:38:35,425 --> 03:38:38,665
Maria back from putting your children to bed yeah I

3268
03:38:38,665 --> 03:38:40,195
just got back

3269
03:38:40,195 --> 03:38:43,355
there you are okay can you spell your video

3270
03:38:43,355 --> 03:38:46,435
yeah and you have 5 minutes

3271
03:38:46,435 --> 03:38:49,715
I wanna

3272
03:38:49,715 --> 03:38:52,605
okay it's not I mean need shoreline way to Constantine

3273
03:38:52,605 --> 03:38:55,025
or

3274
03:38:55,025 --> 03:38:58,165
nope

3275
03:38:58,165 --> 03:39:02,635
okay now online the showroom I may go go if

3276
03:39:02,635 --> 03:39:05,155
you mouse over the bottom of the zoom window it's

3277
03:39:05,155 --> 03:39:08,055
the second button from the left yeah I'm clicking on

3278
03:39:08,055 --> 03:39:12,075
it but it's not going to get alright it's alright

3279
03:39:12,075 --> 03:39:16,115
I'll just I'll be short okay so my name is

3280
03:39:16,115 --> 03:39:19,855
Leo ... ideas on the twenty seven don street ...

3281
03:39:19,855 --> 03:39:23,025
thank you will give me to proceed to speak often

3282
03:39:23,125 --> 03:39:26,425
so I I'm I I live in the H. all

3283
03:39:26,425 --> 03:39:29,705
calls are so I think a lot of people have

3284
03:39:29,705 --> 03:39:32,435
already made my points so I just want to say

3285
03:39:32,435 --> 03:39:36,815
that ... but also noble heritage house the city hospital

3286
03:39:37,025 --> 03:39:40,675
has cost to make a lot of big providers both

3287
03:39:40,675 --> 03:39:43,925
in terms of our meeting conferred on data comes are

3288
03:39:43,925 --> 03:39:48,275
all providers so we have available pay those sacrifices because

3289
03:39:48,645 --> 03:39:51,965
we love this committee on the rear lot to ...

3290
03:39:52,045 --> 03:39:54,155
history offered on the we love to walk in the

3291
03:39:54,155 --> 03:39:58,245
neighbourhood estate circle go back to history my soul I

3292
03:39:58,245 --> 03:40:02,265
think a this is the bottom proposal will significantly impact

3293
03:40:02,265 --> 03:40:06,665
significantly impact the heritage value of the neighbourhood on the

3294
03:40:06,665 --> 03:40:10,745
real us technique the increase of traffic but don't street

3295
03:40:10,745 --> 03:40:14,925
is right the a major our heart article School ...

3296
03:40:14,995 --> 03:40:18,475
... from baby will too young and ... we see

3297
03:40:18,475 --> 03:40:22,615
the traffic on junction sorry day so I think this

3298
03:40:22,615 --> 03:40:25,545
will sit in a free ... impact back on the

3299
03:40:25,545 --> 03:40:31,225
you'll also impact the environmentally sensitive ... ...

3300
03:40:31,225 --> 03:40:35,035
yes also that's that's just my two plans so thank

3301
03:40:35,035 --> 03:40:36,245
you

3302
03:40:36,245 --> 03:40:37,465
okay

3303
03:40:37,465 --> 03:40:40,845
thank you thank you Sir next up is choice LEED

3304
03:40:40,845 --> 03:40:42,325
told him

3305
03:40:42,325 --> 03:40:45,325
choice there

3306
03:40:45,325 --> 03:40:47,935
I Joyce I am I don't know if you can

3307
03:40:48,055 --> 03:40:50,865
hear me yep we can see and hear you you

3308
03:40:50,865 --> 03:40:53,705
have five minutes great thank you very much for the

3309
03:40:53,705 --> 03:40:56,735
opportunity to speak ... my name is Joyce the Tobin

3310
03:40:56,735 --> 03:40:59,895
and I've been living on tamarack Dr since may of

3311
03:40:59,895 --> 03:41:02,435
twenty twenty ... but I've been a resident of the

3312
03:41:02,435 --> 03:41:06,635
Thornhill Markham community since nineteen eighty five originally originally living

3313
03:41:06,635 --> 03:41:09,645
on Summerdale I've also seen first hand the impact of

3314
03:41:09,645 --> 03:41:12,655
massive developments as a floral seven was being built on

3315
03:41:12,655 --> 03:41:15,835
my doorstep as I was progressing through primary school my

3316
03:41:15,835 --> 03:41:18,655
husband and I purchased our first family home in Tamarac

3317
03:41:19,015 --> 03:41:22,135
in February of twenty twenty nearly breaking the bank and

3318
03:41:22,135 --> 03:41:24,615
had we known that there would be these massive developments

3319
03:41:24,615 --> 03:41:28,275
forthcoming we would not have purchased this house the massive

3320
03:41:28,275 --> 03:41:31,965
increase in population and traffic density are exactly what we

3321
03:41:31,965 --> 03:41:33,825
wanted to avoid

3322
03:41:33,825 --> 03:41:37,525
we're not against development but the proposed a shoulders development

3323
03:41:37,525 --> 03:41:40,075
buildings are simply not in keeping with the character of

3324
03:41:40,075 --> 03:41:43,425
the existing community and would create a tremendous strain on

3325
03:41:43,425 --> 03:41:48,585
the existing infrastructure and community amenities which already require continual

3326
03:41:48,585 --> 03:41:52,505
maintenance and upgrading due to the age of the neighbourhood

3327
03:41:52,505 --> 03:41:56,705
as mentioned earlier the existing zoning laws permit mixed use

3328
03:41:56,705 --> 03:41:58,325
mid rise

3329
03:41:58,325 --> 03:42:01,015
all in all such mid rise buildings with the majority

3330
03:42:01,015 --> 03:42:03,855
of two to three bedroom units would be in keeping

3331
03:42:03,855 --> 03:42:06,985
with the current character and make about the community and

3332
03:42:06,985 --> 03:42:10,925
would make much more sense than adding several city skyscrapers

3333
03:42:11,335 --> 03:42:13,525
there is a need for more affordable housing for young

3334
03:42:13,525 --> 03:42:16,465
families and these mid rise buildings could provide this to

3335
03:42:16,465 --> 03:42:19,405
the neighbourhood and as a young family such a development

3336
03:42:19,445 --> 03:42:22,645
would have been a very attractive option had we not

3337
03:42:22,645 --> 03:42:25,175
purchased a home in Tamarac

3338
03:42:25,175 --> 03:42:27,415
in addition as a mother of two young children one

3339
03:42:27,415 --> 03:42:29,735
of my primary concerns and one of the reasons we

3340
03:42:29,735 --> 03:42:33,105
moved to the neighborhood is access to recreational programming for

3341
03:42:33,105 --> 03:42:36,835
children this is provided primarily by the Thornhill community center

3342
03:42:37,215 --> 03:42:39,735
with the addition of thousands of new residents how will

3343
03:42:39,735 --> 03:42:42,705
the community center which is already struggling to accommodate current

3344
03:42:42,705 --> 03:42:46,495
residents deal with this additional influx if development is to

3345
03:42:46,495 --> 03:42:49,285
proceed and it should only proceed by honoring the existing

3346
03:42:49,315 --> 03:42:53,395
and appropriate zoning laws the community center contact itself must

3347
03:42:53,395 --> 03:42:57,745
be significantly expanded to accommodate the influx of residents and

3348
03:42:57,745 --> 03:43:01,085
to ensure that local residents have easy access to programming

3349
03:43:01,505 --> 03:43:05,085
it is also necessary to have expanded outdoor programming as

3350
03:43:05,085 --> 03:43:07,385
a sort of community center does not have green space

3351
03:43:07,385 --> 03:43:11,255
or outdoor recreational space directly on the premises the dire

3352
03:43:11,255 --> 03:43:15,325
need for programming and outdoor programming especially for children and

3353
03:43:15,325 --> 03:43:19,265
seniors has been clearly highlighted during this pandemic

3354
03:43:19,265 --> 03:43:22,045
in addition as mentioned over and over again the traffic

3355
03:43:22,045 --> 03:43:25,245
on baby was already considerably heavy with the addition of

3356
03:43:25,245 --> 03:43:28,725
a few more thousand residents this will only increase congestion

3357
03:43:29,115 --> 03:43:33,235
local residents will also choose to divert their routes

3358
03:43:33,235 --> 03:43:35,985
and take Willowbrook and green lane as an alternative which

3359
03:43:35,985 --> 03:43:38,985
will increase traffic right on our doorstep and for obvious

3360
03:43:38,985 --> 03:43:41,135
reasons this is problematic

3361
03:43:41,135 --> 03:43:43,615
development is to proceed and it should only proceed by

3362
03:43:43,615 --> 03:43:46,655
honoring the existing an appropriate zoning laws there must be

3363
03:43:46,655 --> 03:43:49,665
a mass transit hub within walking distance of the proposed

3364
03:43:49,665 --> 03:43:53,345
developments and perhaps underground pedestrian access to the community center

3365
03:43:53,345 --> 03:43:56,215
and shopping center at the were no square this will

3366
03:43:56,215 --> 03:43:59,035
encourage local residents not to get in their cars I

3367
03:43:59,035 --> 03:44:02,805
contribute to the already highly congested beat you traffic and

3368
03:44:02,805 --> 03:44:06,485
finally with additional child Sir what what additional child care

3369
03:44:06,485 --> 03:44:09,495
options will exist for the huge influx of residents at

3370
03:44:09,495 --> 03:44:11,965
the moment there is only one day care within the

3371
03:44:11,965 --> 03:44:15,135
immediate vicinity that accepts invents and this is rocking horse

3372
03:44:15,135 --> 03:44:18,155
daycare on guardian Street there are waiting lists for most

3373
03:44:18,155 --> 03:44:21,505
classes which leaves many parents struggling to find viable child

3374
03:44:21,505 --> 03:44:24,445
care options there is the early on child care center

3375
03:44:24,445 --> 03:44:27,165
within Florida community center and this is government funded which

3376
03:44:27,165 --> 03:44:30,045
is fantastic but they do not take in bins and

3377
03:44:30,045 --> 03:44:33,085
with the proposed development also at your goals are square

3378
03:44:33,085 --> 03:44:35,965
there's no clear communication as to whether this child care

3379
03:44:35,965 --> 03:44:39,745
facility will remain and if so will its capacity increased

3380
03:44:39,945 --> 03:44:43,625
to accommodate the influx of residents so it is obvious

3381
03:44:43,625 --> 03:44:47,505
that additional child care centers will be required if development

3382
03:44:47,535 --> 03:44:50,355
is to proceed and again it should only proceed by

3383
03:44:50,385 --> 03:44:53,785
honoring the existing and appropriate zoning laws the center should

3384
03:44:53,785 --> 03:44:56,485
be incorporated into the ground level units of the proposed

3385
03:44:56,485 --> 03:45:01,105
developments to accommodate this massive increase in residence and once

3386
03:45:01,105 --> 03:45:04,865
again to discourage unnecessary driving that will further contribute to

3387
03:45:04,865 --> 03:45:08,235
our traffic congestion thank you for the opportunity opportunity to

3388
03:45:08,235 --> 03:45:13,555
speak today

3389
03:45:13,555 --> 03:45:15,505
thank thank you Joyce do you want to and the

3390
03:45:15,505 --> 03:45:19,605
microphone over to Patrick she is it is up next

3391
03:45:19,635 --> 03:45:28,875
but it didn't beside you know

3392
03:45:28,875 --> 03:45:31,505
so

3393
03:45:31,505 --> 03:45:34,835
good evening Patrick you have five minutes and are asked

3394
03:45:35,015 --> 03:45:37,605
our doctor follow Patrick's

3395
03:45:37,605 --> 03:45:41,975
nobody user thank you very much ... so greeting Mr

3396
03:45:41,975 --> 03:45:44,975
Mayor Deputy Mayor council members and guests the so we'll

3397
03:45:44,975 --> 03:45:47,295
take long since it's so late so my name is

3398
03:45:47,295 --> 03:45:49,515
projects open and ... they live in a time or

3399
03:45:49,655 --> 03:45:52,475
a year a young families my wife decides and ...

3400
03:45:52,475 --> 03:45:55,355
week we really enjoy living this year's end however as

3401
03:45:55,355 --> 03:45:57,655
you mentioned we possibly would not have purchased here we've

3402
03:45:57,655 --> 03:46:01,325
known of the extensive both above ground power has sitting

3403
03:46:01,325 --> 03:46:04,435
directly now the source development so I believe that's critical

3404
03:46:04,435 --> 03:46:08,035
in the city of Markham sure the proposed assurance developments

3405
03:46:08,035 --> 03:46:11,805
... respects the wishes of local residents the development plans

3406
03:46:11,805 --> 03:46:15,225
presented by liberty size are totally unacceptable in the current

3407
03:46:15,225 --> 03:46:19,955
form informovala steering committee and other contributors have convinced me

3408
03:46:19,955 --> 03:46:23,635
of this slide on all aspects that make strong arguments

3409
03:46:23,635 --> 03:46:28,015
that liberties presentation in comparison with uninspiring lacking in clarity

3410
03:46:28,015 --> 03:46:31,725
and weak arguments unfortunately is that me with very little

3411
03:46:31,725 --> 03:46:35,195
coffins the parties intentions

3412
03:46:35,195 --> 03:46:39,735
so here my three main concerns and recommendations ... and

3413
03:46:39,735 --> 03:46:41,865
my first concern is that elected officials may not be

3414
03:46:41,865 --> 03:46:45,195
representing the region's wishes all of real afternoon residents sell

3415
03:46:45,515 --> 03:46:49,615
recommendations that councillors reject the developers propose it's nice until

3416
03:46:49,615 --> 03:46:51,645
one the wishes of local residents are part of the

3417
03:46:51,645 --> 03:46:56,685
but my developers bands into the updated developers plans respect

3418
03:46:56,685 --> 03:47:01,905
the existing policies were corrected density use zoning and permitted

3419
03:47:01,905 --> 03:47:05,045
storeys in certain number two

3420
03:47:05,045 --> 03:47:07,555
I am concerned for the currently in the center of

3421
03:47:07,555 --> 03:47:09,965
my wife is ... so that if they would meet

3422
03:47:09,965 --> 03:47:12,705
the needs of existing residents are the needs of addition

3423
03:47:12,705 --> 03:47:16,615
of thousands of new residents from the proposed development recommendation

3424
03:47:16,615 --> 03:47:20,625
is apparently thank you centre will increase the size in

3425
03:47:20,625 --> 03:47:24,855
line with inflation increase in population receive this concert should

3426
03:47:24,855 --> 03:47:29,625
propose an independent study commissioned by the city marketer says

3427
03:47:29,625 --> 03:47:33,025
poetry Don what additional facilities needed and how much with

3428
03:47:33,025 --> 03:47:36,025
a coffee I've been in this thirty and presented to

3429
03:47:36,025 --> 03:47:39,615
local residents for consultation on a recommendation from the war

3430
03:47:39,615 --> 03:47:43,095
concert on the significant contribution is required on the developer

3431
03:47:43,095 --> 03:47:46,775
to find any proposed expansion is concerned three is there

3432
03:47:46,775 --> 03:47:50,685
is no major transit hub in the vicinity traffic congestion

3433
03:47:50,685 --> 03:47:53,465
is going on bear of a problem for existing and

3434
03:47:53,465 --> 03:47:58,595
potentially new residents recommendations I wore councillors propose an independent

3435
03:47:58,595 --> 03:48:02,515
study commissioned to investigate a traffic management solutions to address

3436
03:48:02,515 --> 03:48:05,545
concerns the seven thirty again to be presented to local

3437
03:48:05,545 --> 03:48:09,175
residents for consultation and to consider all the developments not

3438
03:48:09,175 --> 03:48:12,755
just short this ... and they're work ons of recommend

3439
03:48:12,755 --> 03:48:17,995
that developers in the cost of accepted sustainable solutions should

3440
03:48:17,995 --> 03:48:23,395
they exist so soon basis around Bayview ... John street

3441
03:48:23,395 --> 03:48:25,505
green lane and

3442
03:48:25,505 --> 03:48:28,025
so I could look up to

3443
03:48:28,025 --> 03:48:37,415
okay thank you Patrick next up is bill Wheeler

3444
03:48:37,415 --> 03:48:39,715
bill you with us

3445
03:48:39,715 --> 03:48:44,315
yes I'd rather just to name here you've got five

3446
03:48:44,315 --> 03:48:48,975
minutes bill okay R. Mr chairman and members of the

3447
03:48:48,975 --> 03:48:53,155
committee yes my name is bill Wheeler are my wife

3448
03:48:53,155 --> 03:48:55,745
and I have lived on margin core which is near

3449
03:48:55,745 --> 03:48:59,325
the John and Bayview area for the past forty years

3450
03:49:00,015 --> 03:49:04,595
we are not against increased density the proposed far towers

3451
03:49:04,955 --> 03:49:09,255
on the shoulders property are completely unacceptable because of the

3452
03:49:09,255 --> 03:49:14,255
extreme remember stories reach building from all over eighteen to

3453
03:49:14,255 --> 03:49:18,245
hire thirty five nothing in this area are there existing

3454
03:49:18,245 --> 03:49:22,875
or planned is even close what are markets fifteen story

3455
03:49:22,905 --> 03:49:27,925
use roar rave use approved for twelve and fourteen concerning

3456
03:49:27,925 --> 03:49:30,845
square six to fifteen

3457
03:49:30,845 --> 03:49:33,535
much higher population density in this area will have a

3458
03:49:33,535 --> 03:49:37,875
negative effect on traffic one Bayview and roll archer and

3459
03:49:37,875 --> 03:49:40,965
even more on John street which is already bumper to

3460
03:49:40,965 --> 03:49:43,835
bumper during rush hours

3461
03:49:43,835 --> 03:49:46,845
these are 2:00 hours or more certain

3462
03:49:46,845 --> 03:49:51,315
to downtown Toronto for young street ... completely unsuited to

3463
03:49:51,315 --> 03:49:54,475
the character of the existing neighborhoods

3464
03:49:54,475 --> 03:49:57,635
almost all right to say thank you for your time

3465
03:49:58,325 --> 03:50:02,945
okay thank you bill next is Jeffrey Cahn

3466
03:50:02,945 --> 03:50:07,605
Jeffrey

3467
03:50:07,605 --> 03:50:11,035
we'll get to the right group phone one the other

3468
03:50:11,035 --> 03:50:12,405
minute

3469
03:50:12,405 --> 03:50:14,245
Jeffrey current

3470
03:50:14,245 --> 03:50:24,745
Jeffrey with us

3471
03:50:24,745 --> 03:50:27,865
I don't see I'm gonna move on

3472
03:50:27,865 --> 03:50:29,605
through

3473
03:50:29,605 --> 03:50:33,735
centred McNally Kelly let me

3474
03:50:33,735 --> 03:50:36,275
I really butchered that I know but I tried my

3475
03:50:36,275 --> 03:50:38,055
best

3476
03:50:38,055 --> 03:50:44,045
Farouk are you there

3477
03:50:44,045 --> 03:50:46,325
through get better be that Iraq I really gave it

3478
03:50:46,325 --> 03:50:50,375
my best shot

3479
03:50:50,375 --> 03:50:53,395
no

3480
03:50:53,395 --> 03:50:54,735
okay

3481
03:50:54,735 --> 03:50:57,595
yeah

3482
03:50:57,595 --> 03:51:00,015
or did I mispronounce it

3483
03:51:00,015 --> 03:51:02,635
so badly that you're not sure I actually called your

3484
03:51:02,635 --> 03:51:05,845
name

3485
03:51:05,845 --> 03:51:09,705
no floor I guess I'm surprised for him and I

3486
03:51:09,705 --> 03:51:11,905
don't

3487
03:51:11,905 --> 03:51:19,485
all right the next is set aside he'd save about

3488
03:51:19,485 --> 03:51:25,325
sorry are you there

3489
03:51:25,325 --> 03:51:28,385
hi yes one right here I

3490
03:51:28,385 --> 03:51:30,455
all right you've got we can see you and hear

3491
03:51:30,455 --> 03:51:32,645
you you've got five minutes

3492
03:51:32,645 --> 03:51:33,885
well

3493
03:51:33,885 --> 03:51:38,015
the agility of the teams that I was

3494
03:51:38,015 --> 03:51:43,995
trying to explain was explain meets my neighbour's

3495
03:51:43,995 --> 03:51:46,345
so when

3496
03:51:46,345 --> 03:51:49,095
the only thing that I want to I had maybe

3497
03:51:49,745 --> 03:51:51,075
...

3498
03:51:51,075 --> 03:51:53,075
the safety

3499
03:51:53,075 --> 03:51:55,165


3500
03:51:55,165 --> 03:51:57,065
and then

3501
03:51:57,065 --> 03:52:00,955
also there is we don't have enough

3502
03:52:00,955 --> 03:52:04,295
the public amenities

3503
03:52:04,295 --> 03:52:09,185
4 dead present population

3504
03:52:09,185 --> 03:52:12,665
for example whenever you go to library there's only a

3505
03:52:12,805 --> 03:52:14,185
few

3506
03:52:14,185 --> 03:52:16,345
the struggle by

3507
03:52:16,345 --> 03:52:22,035
I live here in landmark for 15 years we might

3508
03:52:22,035 --> 03:52:24,975
moved going children

3509
03:52:24,975 --> 03:52:32,125
we use the need more spaces for youth to

3510
03:52:32,125 --> 03:52:36,815
do I support during winter time and also bigger library

3511
03:52:37,465 --> 03:52:43,335
for the year committee which we are just out and

3512
03:52:43,335 --> 03:52:45,315
I'm sure

3513
03:52:45,315 --> 03:52:48,345
regardless of the height of the

3514
03:52:48,345 --> 03:52:49,585


3515
03:52:49,585 --> 03:52:56,205
these colors which are ready the

3516
03:52:56,205 --> 03:52:59,485
strange this area

3517
03:52:59,485 --> 03:53:02,865
and doesn't conform to texture of

3518
03:53:02,865 --> 03:53:04,875
when these

3519
03:53:04,875 --> 03:53:07,155
the area

3520
03:53:07,155 --> 03:53:10,875
did population will

3521
03:53:10,875 --> 03:53:13,665
who do you

3522
03:53:13,665 --> 03:53:18,805
which you already is raising this which is our most

3523
03:53:18,805 --> 03:53:24,405
would not have a good life

3524
03:53:24,405 --> 03:53:27,325
in these neighborhoods after

3525
03:53:27,325 --> 03:53:30,855
there is a building up these colors

3526
03:53:30,855 --> 03:53:32,705
moreover

3527
03:53:32,705 --> 03:53:37,715
the safety in one week be very impact at the

3528
03:53:38,355 --> 03:53:41,505
traffic and

3529
03:53:41,505 --> 03:53:46,085
and safety which we call the movie there

3530
03:53:46,085 --> 03:53:47,355
as

3531
03:53:47,355 --> 03:53:51,505
I think jam and

3532
03:53:51,505 --> 03:53:54,575
in the street which you see now even in the

3533
03:53:54,815 --> 03:53:58,935
rush hour in the reasoning that speech cores are retired

3534
03:53:58,935 --> 03:54:04,225
drivers are retired to come back to home and safety

3535
03:54:04,225 --> 03:54:07,205
matters turning

3536
03:54:07,205 --> 03:54:11,245
the one hurting god which is very

3537
03:54:11,245 --> 03:54:12,525
who

3538
03:54:12,525 --> 03:54:18,745
it can be moved considered is safety during construction I'm

3539
03:54:18,745 --> 03:54:20,175
sure

3540
03:54:20,175 --> 03:54:22,215
all those

3541
03:54:22,215 --> 03:54:24,255
things which

3542
03:54:24,255 --> 03:54:29,855
construction will bring in the neighbourhood

3543
03:54:29,855 --> 03:54:31,615
is

3544
03:54:31,615 --> 03:54:33,265
very

3545
03:54:33,265 --> 03:54:37,695
at 2 community

3546
03:54:37,695 --> 03:54:42,025
that's all that I can add to other teams sign

3547
03:54:42,025 --> 03:54:44,735
players strategic these

3548
03:54:44,735 --> 03:54:48,095
kind of development

3549
03:54:48,095 --> 03:54:49,955
okay

3550
03:54:49,955 --> 03:54:52,975
infrastructure

3551
03:54:52,975 --> 03:54:56,605
thank you very much for taking all

3552
03:54:56,605 --> 03:55:00,735
thank you say reshape that ... just gonna go back

3553
03:55:00,735 --> 03:55:04,065
Jeffrey Karnes any sign Laura Jeffrey

3554
03:55:04,065 --> 03:55:08,955
or broke

3555
03:55:08,955 --> 03:55:10,995
thank

3556
03:55:10,995 --> 03:55:16,935
thanks Jack okay mute your microphone say please Starkiller I

3557
03:55:17,185 --> 03:55:22,205
don't think Jack curry and ... the other person

3558
03:55:22,205 --> 03:55:24,675
our records

3559
03:55:24,675 --> 03:55:26,315
I don't know

3560
03:55:26,315 --> 03:55:28,605
your let me know what they join us next up

3561
03:55:28,605 --> 03:55:38,225
is very Nelson

3562
03:55:38,225 --> 03:55:51,555
thank you I have a and screen sure

3563
03:56:05,465 --> 03:56:09,855
Mr checking hearing

3564
03:56:09,855 --> 03:56:12,975
I can hear you thank you

3565
03:56:12,975 --> 03:56:16,705
Mr Jeremiah names very Nelson heritage advocate with spot the

3566
03:56:16,705 --> 03:56:21,135
society for the preservation of historic Thornhill ... we've were

3567
03:56:21,135 --> 03:56:23,795
founded in nineteen seventy four

3568
03:56:23,795 --> 03:56:28,335
we're medium through which we preserve the heritage both cultural

3569
03:56:28,335 --> 03:56:32,145
and military heritage heritage in Thornhill over the last forty

3570
03:56:32,145 --> 03:56:35,925
six years to run thirty nine Thornhill village festivals installed

3571
03:56:35,925 --> 03:56:39,545
over doesn't heritage markers to produce newsletters

3572
03:56:39,545 --> 03:56:45,315
another a historical education resources we built the Thornhill archives

3573
03:56:45,515 --> 03:56:48,415
and we've also hosted many guest speakers and other special

3574
03:56:48,415 --> 03:56:50,265
events over the years

3575
03:56:50,265 --> 03:56:53,055
there are four major problems with this application I'd like

3576
03:56:53,055 --> 03:56:56,275
to speak to tonight first one is building heights to

3577
03:56:56,275 --> 03:57:00,375
go beyond ten floors densities to high

3578
03:57:00,375 --> 03:57:02,465
we need to perform stages three and four of an

3579
03:57:02,465 --> 03:57:07,425
archaeological excavation they're missing and then for the the built

3580
03:57:07,455 --> 03:57:10,125
and cultural heritage resources within the site to become a

3581
03:57:10,125 --> 03:57:12,565
new heritage district

3582
03:57:12,565 --> 03:57:16,485
I'm look at the first the building heights I'm incredibly

3583
03:57:16,485 --> 03:57:20,725
disappointed and saddened to observe the common disregard for our

3584
03:57:21,245 --> 03:57:24,675
Markham official plan of two thousand fourteen snow legal document

3585
03:57:24,675 --> 03:57:26,705
that you as a

3586
03:57:26,705 --> 03:57:30,575
council created to negotiated outcome it's already based on stakeholder

3587
03:57:30,575 --> 03:57:32,745
parties coming together over

3588
03:57:32,745 --> 03:57:35,325
literally hundreds and hundreds of dollars probably well over a

3589
03:57:35,325 --> 03:57:41,125
thousand hours Dainik dedicated to creating these protocols amongst other

3590
03:57:41,125 --> 03:57:44,215
defined requirements it's a violation of the intent of our

3591
03:57:44,215 --> 03:57:49,005
lawful two thousand fourteen official plan word twenty four to

3592
03:57:49,005 --> 03:57:51,805
thirty five floors or thirty four floors would be a

3593
03:57:51,805 --> 03:57:55,545
major increase of approximately three point five times the regional

3594
03:57:55,545 --> 03:57:57,005
plan

3595
03:57:57,005 --> 03:57:59,345
the density is too high

3596
03:57:59,345 --> 03:58:02,765
it's beyond the intent of the complex calculation that local

3597
03:58:02,765 --> 03:58:07,445
residents agencies businesses as well as distant municipalities north and

3598
03:58:07,445 --> 03:58:13,215
south depend upon planning professionals within water sewer power education

3599
03:58:13,215 --> 03:58:19,265
transportation communications fire law enforcement all depends on this plan

3600
03:58:19,265 --> 03:58:21,825
the notation for future planning when it comes to support

3601
03:58:21,825 --> 03:58:24,785
of our residents as well we've heard so many instances

3602
03:58:24,785 --> 03:58:27,745
of that tonight

3603
03:58:27,745 --> 03:58:30,995
U. S. custody ends need to enable our partners by

3604
03:58:30,995 --> 03:58:34,525
following the intentions of the law that you as council

3605
03:58:34,525 --> 03:58:36,605
have created

3606
03:58:36,605 --> 03:58:39,675
her three is performing stages three and four of an

3607
03:58:39,675 --> 03:58:42,085
archaeological excavation

3608
03:58:42,085 --> 03:58:45,985
with our current learnings global focus and mandatory sensitivities to

3609
03:58:45,985 --> 03:58:51,335
understand our history writing historical cultural wrongs and focusing on

3610
03:58:51,335 --> 03:58:53,905
diversity and inclusion whether it be in the past or

3611
03:58:53,905 --> 03:58:57,345
present or planning into our future and for our future

3612
03:58:57,345 --> 03:59:01,265
generations to come we're obliged to make every effort now

3613
03:59:01,265 --> 03:59:04,905
to do the right thing before any masticating occurs near

3614
03:59:04,905 --> 03:59:08,515
our east on river heritage and culture resources within the

3615
03:59:08,515 --> 03:59:12,155
site go well beyond white settlers

3616
03:59:12,155 --> 03:59:17,085
we're living on lands within approximately twenty pre historic indigenous

3617
03:59:17,085 --> 03:59:21,455
settlements every council meeting we listen to the Mayor pay

3618
03:59:21,485 --> 03:59:24,395
hommage to these people

3619
03:59:24,395 --> 03:59:28,095
who are not following through right now marquis logical survey

3620
03:59:28,095 --> 03:59:30,955
near a river the only went to a tested steps

3621
03:59:31,475 --> 03:59:35,555
of five centimeters that's two inches into the subsoil finding

3622
03:59:35,555 --> 03:59:39,215
no evidence of habitat course wouldn't well it won't provide

3623
03:59:39,215 --> 03:59:42,315
an identification of the a rich cultural resources that lie

3624
03:59:42,315 --> 03:59:47,005
within our now natural heritage setting Langstaff oversight found two

3625
03:59:47,005 --> 03:59:50,775
thousand four hundred and seventy two prehistoric artifacts over seventeen

3626
03:59:50,775 --> 03:59:54,185
week period in ninety three I mention this and heritage

3627
03:59:54,185 --> 03:59:58,495
Markham and it was ignored nobody followed up

3628
03:59:58,495 --> 04:00:00,265
so here is

3629
04:00:00,265 --> 04:00:02,455
it's not an easy document to get it takes a

3630
04:00:02,455 --> 04:00:04,355
few minutes it took me a total of one our

3631
04:00:04,355 --> 04:00:07,105
investment of trying to get this document

3632
04:00:07,105 --> 04:00:10,305
nobody's found

3633
04:00:10,305 --> 04:00:14,075
what's really interesting is the document defines within both within

3634
04:00:14,075 --> 04:00:17,325
five years five kilometers which which is where the lank

3635
04:00:17,325 --> 04:00:21,755
staff location was from this site it's estimated that twenty

3636
04:00:21,755 --> 04:00:26,125
probably are not your call village sites exist within the

3637
04:00:26,125 --> 04:00:30,295
ten climbers here's a few of them

3638
04:00:30,295 --> 04:00:32,905
the ladies golf course is a site as defined in

3639
04:00:32,905 --> 04:00:35,715
the document the east on river this is that our

3640
04:00:35,715 --> 04:00:40,185
area is defined within the document the Thornhill site to

3641
04:00:40,185 --> 04:00:43,635
find within the document needs to be some rich work

3642
04:00:43,665 --> 04:00:47,505
done here it's not enough

3643
04:00:47,505 --> 04:00:50,935
the built and cultural heritage resources within the site have

3644
04:00:50,935 --> 04:00:54,285
now become a new judge district albeit it's a small

3645
04:00:54,285 --> 04:00:57,175
one these assets need to be protected from the height

3646
04:00:57,175 --> 04:01:00,985
inclusions by legal instruments available to our planning staff our

3647
04:01:00,985 --> 04:01:04,055
planning staff can look after all of these issues in

3648
04:01:04,055 --> 04:01:07,715
the great document that you created before this yes it's

3649
04:01:07,715 --> 04:01:11,465
been challenged but still it's a great legal document

3650
04:01:11,465 --> 04:01:14,535
when this proposal was being discussed in February twenty twenty

3651
04:01:14,535 --> 04:01:19,085
one heritage market meeting by members the chair repeatedly into

3652
04:01:19,085 --> 04:01:21,815
properly instructed the group that height of the proposed new

3653
04:01:21,815 --> 04:01:25,495
towers was not considered a heritage impact would not be

3654
04:01:25,495 --> 04:01:28,145
included in the discussions and recommendations and actually it was

3655
04:01:28,145 --> 04:01:31,475
included in the minutes until follow

3656
04:01:31,475 --> 04:01:34,825
why was the committee instructed to do so heritage assets

3657
04:01:34,825 --> 04:01:38,335
are always impacted by the height of surrounding infrastructure I've

3658
04:01:38,335 --> 04:01:43,185
never seen otherwise it heritage Markham no the council members

3659
04:01:43,185 --> 04:01:47,535
attending challenge this assertion why not no big deal talk

3660
04:01:47,535 --> 04:01:50,985
about height but not in a strong way it wasn't

3661
04:01:50,985 --> 04:01:53,125
even on the minutes of the beginning

3662
04:01:53,125 --> 04:01:57,425
please send this item back to heritage Markham

3663
04:01:57,425 --> 04:02:00,885
also please follow our legal two thousand fourteen official plan

3664
04:02:00,885 --> 04:02:06,935
Mister chair how long do I have left Sir

3665
04:02:06,935 --> 04:02:10,105
the clerk keeps the time all of us the clerk

3666
04:02:10,105 --> 04:02:12,575
okay you told me at the beginning to be a

3667
04:02:12,575 --> 04:02:15,105
can you please advise how much time do this step

3668
04:02:15,105 --> 04:02:20,395
intent as remaining

3669
04:02:20,395 --> 04:02:23,165
okay I'll continue to share the two thousand fourteen a

3670
04:02:23,165 --> 04:02:26,015
fair market official plan is the law yes it's been

3671
04:02:26,015 --> 04:02:29,035
challenge but needs to be followed by you elected representatives

3672
04:02:29,085 --> 04:02:32,115
and we you are Cristo dein's of the current lawful

3673
04:02:32,115 --> 04:02:33,325
plant

3674
04:02:33,325 --> 04:02:36,465
if you change R. two thousand fourteen oh key and

3675
04:02:36,465 --> 04:02:38,645
set a new standard you'll also be making the standard

3676
04:02:38,645 --> 04:02:42,745
available to all future legally for sophisticated applications of a

3677
04:02:42,745 --> 04:02:46,205
similar nature within a reasonable reasonable raise the radius more

3678
04:02:46,205 --> 04:02:49,635
seen these pop up as proposed the changes of the

3679
04:02:49,635 --> 04:02:53,015
official plan or major and you've now seen charged in

3680
04:02:53,015 --> 04:02:56,595
deviating from the lawful interpretation of our official plan within

3681
04:02:56,595 --> 04:03:00,695
a zoom call also members of this development services committee

3682
04:03:00,695 --> 04:03:04,285
through the chair are charged with the impossible review of

3683
04:03:04,285 --> 04:03:07,545
**** the context of the official plan within the full

3684
04:03:07,695 --> 04:03:11,965
Markham community of review within times of a normal communication

3685
04:03:11,965 --> 04:03:18,775
protocol protocols is COVID nineteen at the rate okay

3686
04:03:18,775 --> 04:03:21,685
one

3687
04:03:21,685 --> 04:03:25,885
second let's hear I'm done

3688
04:03:25,885 --> 04:03:28,235
we don't

3689
04:03:28,235 --> 04:03:30,795
all right thank you very much

3690
04:03:30,795 --> 04:03:35,835
next up is up Alaina all clock alignment

3691
04:03:35,835 --> 04:03:37,675
I'm very could I please ask you to meet your

3692
04:03:37,675 --> 04:03:40,185
microphone

3693
04:03:40,185 --> 04:03:43,755
hi Alaina Allana

3694
04:03:43,755 --> 04:03:47,375
okay well I am gonna be shorter than that because

3695
04:03:47,375 --> 04:03:50,525
a lot of my points have already been made very

3696
04:03:50,525 --> 04:03:57,235
eloquently ... so basically the traffic issue the infrastructure issue

3697
04:03:57,515 --> 04:04:02,975
the increased surface water which is the flooding issue and

3698
04:04:02,975 --> 04:04:08,005
then the building not being compatible with heritage and then

3699
04:04:08,005 --> 04:04:11,645
being very surprised that we have to endangered species on

3700
04:04:11,645 --> 04:04:15,665
that land that are now ... theoretically if this project

3701
04:04:15,665 --> 04:04:19,575
goes forward going to be in even more in you

3702
04:04:19,575 --> 04:04:23,195
know more jeopardy so all of that put together I

3703
04:04:23,195 --> 04:04:27,185
do hope that the committee ... season they've got a

3704
04:04:27,185 --> 04:04:31,095
lot of work to do with liberty to make this

3705
04:04:31,095 --> 04:04:36,245
project work with Lauren hill thank you okay thanks a

3706
04:04:36,245 --> 04:04:45,835
lot next up is Robert Miller

3707
04:04:45,835 --> 04:04:48,935
hi Robert you have five minutes Sir thank you can

3708
04:04:48,935 --> 04:04:50,245
you hear me

3709
04:04:50,245 --> 04:04:52,745
yes

3710
04:04:52,745 --> 04:04:55,745
Mr chairman ... members of council thanks for the opportunity

3711
04:04:55,745 --> 04:04:58,315
to speak with you ... my name's Robert Miller I'm

3712
04:04:58,315 --> 04:05:01,805
a lawyer at Davies how I've very recently been retained

3713
04:05:01,805 --> 04:05:04,435
by shoulders hospital limited

3714
04:05:04,435 --> 04:05:08,975
... as you're well aware ... Chile's hospital has operated

3715
04:05:08,975 --> 04:05:12,495
a world renowned ... private hospital on seventy seven fifty

3716
04:05:12,495 --> 04:05:15,045
baby for sixty eight years

3717
04:05:15,045 --> 04:05:18,585
primarily doing hernia surgery

3718
04:05:18,585 --> 04:05:23,795
in twenty sixteen ... shoulders ... sold the property at

3719
04:05:23,795 --> 04:05:29,005
seventy seven fifty two ... atlas shoulders healthcare who intended

3720
04:05:29,005 --> 04:05:32,955
to build a a health care campus there and ...

3721
04:05:33,525 --> 04:05:36,755
the existing hospitals gonna be one component of that campus

3722
04:05:37,345 --> 04:05:41,765
and to implement that ... the shoulders hospital least back

3723
04:05:42,085 --> 04:05:45,465
... the side of their hospital and to the immediate

3724
04:05:45,465 --> 04:05:48,335
grounds around if that were necessary for the function of

3725
04:05:48,335 --> 04:05:50,455
their business

3726
04:05:50,455 --> 04:05:52,825
and I mentioned this is true because it's important because

3727
04:05:52,825 --> 04:05:55,715
it it it gives rise to our concerns so I

3728
04:05:55,715 --> 04:05:57,865
want I want I want to be clear that my

3729
04:05:57,865 --> 04:06:02,335
clients not opposed to development on the property but it

3730
04:06:02,335 --> 04:06:06,425
wants to make sure that it's existing operations is not

3731
04:06:06,455 --> 04:06:11,805
adversely impacted by about development and there is currently a

3732
04:06:11,805 --> 04:06:14,475
fifteen year term left on the lease and and the

3733
04:06:14,475 --> 04:06:17,595
hospital intends to stay there for the full term

3734
04:06:17,595 --> 04:06:20,125
so

3735
04:06:20,125 --> 04:06:22,755
I'm advising my clients submitted a letter I hope you

3736
04:06:22,755 --> 04:06:24,665
have it and that you've had a chance to look

3737
04:06:24,665 --> 04:06:26,585
at it not touch to it there was an aerial

3738
04:06:26,585 --> 04:06:30,265
photo that ... outlines in read the the lands that

3739
04:06:30,265 --> 04:06:33,635
all referred to as the least promises that they released

3740
04:06:33,635 --> 04:06:36,915
back that is sort of the shoulders property in the

3741
04:06:36,915 --> 04:06:39,745
middle of of seventy seven fifty

3742
04:06:39,745 --> 04:06:43,535
and it's important because my clients got three areas of

3743
04:06:43,535 --> 04:06:46,695
concern the first is parking the second is the sort

3744
04:06:46,695 --> 04:06:50,985
of ring road access configuration for the proposed development and

3745
04:06:50,985 --> 04:06:54,665
the third is the servicing infrastructure plan

3746
04:06:54,665 --> 04:06:58,885
so with regard to parking the lease requires that ...

3747
04:06:58,915 --> 04:07:02,975
the landlord ... and an atlas sold to liberty in

3748
04:07:02,975 --> 04:07:06,595
twenty nineteen so and and liberty assume the lease so

3749
04:07:06,595 --> 04:07:10,055
there now the landlord they have to provide the hospital

3750
04:07:10,055 --> 04:07:13,945
with surface parking for a specified number of cars in

3751
04:07:13,945 --> 04:07:17,255
a location as specified distance from the front door of

3752
04:07:17,255 --> 04:07:18,825
the hospital

3753
04:07:18,825 --> 04:07:23,305
and we've had discussions about our concerns with liberty over

3754
04:07:23,305 --> 04:07:26,985
the past weeks since we were made aware of some

3755
04:07:26,985 --> 04:07:29,015
of the details of the project and they've never been

3756
04:07:29,015 --> 04:07:32,435
named we we haven't resolved this concern from the plans

3757
04:07:32,435 --> 04:07:36,105
that we've seen there's no guarantee that are parking is

3758
04:07:36,105 --> 04:07:38,195
going to be retained

3759
04:07:38,195 --> 04:07:42,745
so the hospital will end up with certainly less parking

3760
04:07:42,745 --> 04:07:45,185
than they have now and that they're entitled to and

3761
04:07:45,215 --> 04:07:47,105
and we have no idea how much parking will be

3762
04:07:47,105 --> 04:07:48,705
locked

3763
04:07:48,705 --> 04:07:52,285
the second concern with parking arises from the request for

3764
04:07:52,285 --> 04:07:56,645
the reduced parking rate which seems to be a parking

3765
04:07:56,645 --> 04:08:00,795
read more appropriate for development located in a regional centre

3766
04:08:00,795 --> 04:08:04,025
corridor where it's you know a mixed use development better

3767
04:08:04,025 --> 04:08:06,475
served by higher order transit

3768
04:08:06,475 --> 04:08:08,215
that is not

3769
04:08:08,215 --> 04:08:13,685
this site and the impact that we're concerned about is

3770
04:08:13,685 --> 04:08:16,665
that the overflow parking that'll be generated by the parking

3771
04:08:16,665 --> 04:08:21,605
deficiency well then use our parking and and our grounds

3772
04:08:21,605 --> 04:08:24,565
to park a similar concern was raised by one of

3773
04:08:24,565 --> 04:08:27,795
the residents who said they would park on side streets

3774
04:08:27,795 --> 04:08:30,365
in the area that we are the side street in

3775
04:08:30,365 --> 04:08:32,385
the

3776
04:08:32,385 --> 04:08:36,275
the the ring road ... the issue that comes from

3777
04:08:36,275 --> 04:08:38,825
that is that the southern portion of the ring road

3778
04:08:38,825 --> 04:08:42,065
that swings around south of the hospital is actually located

3779
04:08:42,065 --> 04:08:47,145
within our least promise it's currently a driveway for ambulances

3780
04:08:47,515 --> 04:08:52,205
and it's used by recovering patients for their daily exercise

3781
04:08:52,205 --> 04:08:56,485
it's not well traveled it's not it's it's not the

3782
04:08:56,775 --> 04:08:59,425
constructed for frequent traffic

3783
04:08:59,425 --> 04:09:01,985
... we don't support the location of the ring road

3784
04:09:01,985 --> 04:09:06,045
in this location and and frankly where we

3785
04:09:06,045 --> 04:09:09,525
it basically goes to our lease premises we we don't

3786
04:09:09,735 --> 04:09:12,045
we don't favor that

3787
04:09:12,045 --> 04:09:15,315
we have a similar concern with the infrastructure plan the

3788
04:09:15,315 --> 04:09:19,275
plans that we've seen show that the height that services

3789
04:09:19,275 --> 04:09:23,545
the development also goes through the leased premises to the

3790
04:09:23,545 --> 04:09:27,435
north of the hospital the construction of that piece of

3791
04:09:27,435 --> 04:09:32,495
infrastructure and its maintenance will certainly ... disturb ... patients

3792
04:09:32,495 --> 04:09:37,215
recovering patients at and possibly you know interfere with ...

3793
04:09:37,215 --> 04:09:39,115
surgeries so

3794
04:09:39,115 --> 04:09:43,845
these are legitimate concerns that we've tried to resolve with

3795
04:09:43,845 --> 04:09:47,425
the applicant ... we're bringing them to your attention so

3796
04:09:47,425 --> 04:09:50,845
that they can be considered and addressed and ... in

3797
04:09:50,875 --> 04:09:55,645
in the ... review process for this application and and

3798
04:09:55,675 --> 04:09:57,885
in any approvals that are give

3799
04:09:57,885 --> 04:09:59,815


3800
04:09:59,815 --> 04:10:02,835
thank you for your time but ... please these are

3801
04:10:02,835 --> 04:10:04,935
all set out in the letter and I hope you

3802
04:10:04,935 --> 04:10:07,685
have a chance to read it and ... thank you

3803
04:10:07,685 --> 04:10:09,125
very much

3804
04:10:09,125 --> 04:10:11,715
okay thank you thank you Robert ... I for one

3805
04:10:11,715 --> 04:10:14,205
of not seeing this letter

3806
04:10:14,205 --> 04:10:16,865
many of my colleagues senior I'm a local councillor I've

3807
04:10:16,865 --> 04:10:19,705
not seen the letter Deputy Mayor shaking his head is

3808
04:10:19,705 --> 04:10:22,475
not seen the letter where's the other

3809
04:10:22,475 --> 04:10:25,625
my understanding was that the hospital themselves sent in a

3810
04:10:25,625 --> 04:10:29,485
letter yesterday that they had a deadline of four o'clock

3811
04:10:29,485 --> 04:10:31,775
yesterday so I thought it would be on your agenda

3812
04:10:31,865 --> 04:10:35,975
actually it's not it's not in our material

3813
04:10:35,975 --> 04:10:39,245
plants the clerk where's the letter

3814
04:10:39,245 --> 04:10:45,195
the mobile care in the summer

3815
04:10:45,195 --> 04:10:47,965
we think it's in the primary package but we were

3816
04:10:47,965 --> 04:10:52,955
verifying at the moment

3817
04:10:52,955 --> 04:10:55,405
we just hang in there Robert this is important enough

3818
04:10:55,435 --> 04:10:58,075
I wanna make sure we got it

3819
04:10:58,075 --> 04:10:59,905
yes thank you very much I would like to know

3820
04:10:59,905 --> 04:11:04,815
that myself

3821
04:11:04,815 --> 04:11:07,825


3822
04:11:07,825 --> 04:11:09,225
well

3823
04:11:09,225 --> 04:11:11,625
Robert are you are you actually in the office it's

3824
04:11:11,625 --> 04:11:14,415
at your office but you're working late

3825
04:11:14,415 --> 04:11:17,355
are you at home that's a drop

3826
04:11:17,355 --> 04:11:23,505
I'm at home

3827
04:11:23,505 --> 04:11:26,135
alright I actually haven't been to my office for over

3828
04:11:26,135 --> 04:11:27,355
a year

3829
04:11:27,355 --> 04:11:32,355
yeah we know what that's like yes yeah

3830
04:11:32,355 --> 04:11:34,795
anyway you fooled me if you said you were in

3831
04:11:34,795 --> 04:11:38,405
the office I would have believed you

3832
04:11:38,405 --> 04:11:40,465
any other year but this one it would have been

3833
04:11:40,465 --> 04:11:45,405
true yeah I bet that Laura any luck

3834
04:11:45,405 --> 04:11:47,735
we saw a

3835
04:11:47,735 --> 04:11:51,185
our locating the documents

3836
04:11:51,185 --> 04:11:56,075
perhaps one of the letter is from the hospital themselves

3837
04:11:56,075 --> 04:11:58,565
it's not it's not a letter from me it's it's

3838
04:11:58,565 --> 04:12:03,305
a letter I think it's from doctor shoulders

3839
04:12:03,305 --> 04:12:05,725
I thank you for that are you going to twenty

3840
04:12:05,815 --> 04:12:08,845
one why don't you got

3841
04:12:08,845 --> 04:12:10,685
a letter

3842
04:12:10,685 --> 04:12:13,395
or in the primaries Park and she

3843
04:12:13,395 --> 04:12:17,905
do you actually have done that there was a lot

3844
04:12:18,725 --> 04:12:21,595
much all right so they're saying we've got it I

3845
04:12:21,595 --> 04:12:23,545
guess it's just a matter Robert have been coming in

3846
04:12:23,545 --> 04:12:25,495
late yesterday

3847
04:12:25,495 --> 04:12:28,745
so ... yeah I think you probably came man fairly

3848
04:12:28,745 --> 04:12:32,525
close to four o'clock girl or the other I think

3849
04:12:32,525 --> 04:12:34,515
they knew they had to have it in by four

3850
04:12:34,515 --> 04:12:35,855
o'clock

3851
04:12:35,855 --> 04:12:38,725
yeah right okay all right well thank the letter is

3852
04:12:38,725 --> 04:12:41,105
there it's confirmed it and some of the there is

3853
04:12:41,105 --> 04:12:43,645
that aerial photo attached to that shows what I mean

3854
04:12:43,645 --> 04:12:46,285
by the the leased premises like that when you look

3855
04:12:46,285 --> 04:12:48,895
at the ring road the problem with the ring road

3856
04:12:48,895 --> 04:12:51,005
is it's it's as if they were trying to put

3857
04:12:51,005 --> 04:12:53,945
a road for your apartment like they're they're they're putting

3858
04:12:53,945 --> 04:12:55,815
a piece in there in a couple of pieces of

3859
04:12:55,815 --> 04:13:00,515
their infrastructure to our least promise right right okay so

3860
04:13:00,545 --> 04:13:03,395
thank you thank you Robert reshaped you're bringing that to

3861
04:13:03,395 --> 04:13:05,565
our attention I'm gonna just in the interest of time

3862
04:13:05,565 --> 04:13:10,515
gonna move on I've got ... certainly work all right

3863
04:13:10,515 --> 04:13:15,225
you're welcome take care okay yeah you too Messier I

3864
04:13:15,225 --> 04:13:25,525
had them ahead them Messier

3865
04:13:25,525 --> 04:13:28,515
all right when Oriol

3866
04:13:28,515 --> 04:13:31,855
when are you with us

3867
04:13:31,855 --> 04:13:34,805
hi I'm trying to get the to you but my

3868
04:13:35,585 --> 04:13:37,815
phone is dying and

3869
04:13:37,815 --> 04:13:39,535
I hope you can hear me but I cannot show

3870
04:13:39,535 --> 04:13:43,205
my screen at this time okay alright when when like

3871
04:13:43,465 --> 04:13:45,725
if you can just hold on that's years during this

3872
04:13:45,725 --> 04:13:49,975
new was ahead of you so actual Magyar

3873
04:13:49,975 --> 04:13:55,345
my we are one of the before crime

3874
04:13:55,345 --> 04:13:58,515
he's yeah he's number forty one on the list yep

3875
04:13:58,775 --> 04:14:03,965
all right Messier over to you Sir five minutes

3876
04:14:03,965 --> 04:14:07,345
just give me one second

3877
04:14:07,345 --> 04:14:09,225
would be good if you can show your video but

3878
04:14:09,225 --> 04:14:11,435
I if you have if you have been talking yes

3879
04:14:11,565 --> 04:14:15,035
actually I just took my ... your phone out I

3880
04:14:15,035 --> 04:14:17,835
I I just need a lot of stuff that everyone

3881
04:14:17,835 --> 04:14:20,955
that they have the address thing about this development I

3882
04:14:20,955 --> 04:14:25,715
totally agree and ... my major issue with this developer

3883
04:14:26,285 --> 04:14:31,305
... I know just the blooper Maryville and daisy going

3884
04:14:31,305 --> 04:14:36,145
to neighbourhoods and daisy develop high rises will lower prices

3885
04:14:36,775 --> 04:14:39,095
and at the end of the day they don't deliver

3886
04:14:39,095 --> 04:14:42,385
and the qualities that they build their buildings are very

3887
04:14:42,385 --> 04:14:46,875
low they don't deliver to their customers ... Dave makes

3888
04:14:46,875 --> 04:14:49,705
so much promises and ... they make a lot of

3889
04:14:49,755 --> 04:14:53,585
unhappy customers but that now is that the actually this

3890
04:14:53,585 --> 04:14:59,385
development is coming in my neighborhood which ... I leave

3891
04:14:59,385 --> 04:15:02,255
for past 20 years

3892
04:15:02,255 --> 04:15:04,965
I just completely

3893
04:15:04,965 --> 04:15:08,345
disagree with this development I don't think if it's the

3894
04:15:08,345 --> 04:15:12,865
neighbourhood yes Sir two high ... they must go back

3895
04:15:12,865 --> 04:15:16,855
and if they come back with something that can fit

3896
04:15:16,895 --> 04:15:22,075
this neighbourhood I'd like Lohri ease ... something that can

3897
04:15:22,075 --> 04:15:25,855
the sought the heritage up toward you know and ...

3898
04:15:26,005 --> 04:15:29,335
something different than what they have in mind they have

3899
04:15:29,335 --> 04:15:32,965
to take this the neighbourhood into consideration they have to

3900
04:15:32,965 --> 04:15:38,075
take our parks and our trails into consideration that they

3901
04:15:38,075 --> 04:15:44,855
have to also respect the neighbourhood not their future developments

3902
04:15:45,405 --> 04:15:48,935
... dead developers up this the development they don't live

3903
04:15:48,935 --> 04:15:52,235
around this neighborhood they leave around baby on York mills

3904
04:15:52,235 --> 04:15:55,575
area or some other areas that they would not bill

3905
04:15:55,575 --> 04:15:59,855
come this type of development in their own neighborhood as

3906
04:15:59,855 --> 04:16:04,105
well I'm sure but ... I speak about this area

3907
04:16:04,155 --> 04:16:09,045
and ... if you drive around be view and steals

3908
04:16:09,045 --> 04:16:12,825
if you can just imagine that hi ... you know

3909
04:16:12,825 --> 04:16:16,745
that's about height of these buildings actually with

3910
04:16:16,745 --> 04:16:21,595
come out from that far away and would literally destroyed

3911
04:16:21,595 --> 04:16:24,565
the facade up the neighbourhood with take away on that

3912
04:16:24,615 --> 04:16:28,945
a lot of shape will disturb neighbourhoods backyards will take

3913
04:16:28,945 --> 04:16:33,835
away and ... they're all good neighbors from this the

3914
04:16:33,835 --> 04:16:38,645
neighbourhood and will replace them with ... newcomers in this

3915
04:16:38,645 --> 04:16:41,595
neighborhood which we don't want I mean is not that

3916
04:16:41,835 --> 04:16:45,985
I don't like diversity but I ... I would like

3917
04:16:46,055 --> 04:16:50,615
to see that is happening by the ... by respect

3918
04:16:51,225 --> 04:16:55,075
... and but not by force so at this development

3919
04:16:55,075 --> 04:16:59,855
will literally forced the ... a lot of residents are

3920
04:16:59,855 --> 04:17:03,435
up this area due to their privacy if you to

3921
04:17:03,435 --> 04:17:08,035
their safety you too can you so is going to

3922
04:17:08,035 --> 04:17:11,545
have an impact in many many ways but if they

3923
04:17:11,575 --> 04:17:15,125
reconsider their designed a bring

3924
04:17:15,125 --> 04:17:18,745
the density must be lower than the design must be

3925
04:17:19,375 --> 04:17:23,345
a game meet the neighbourhood demands ... I think something

3926
04:17:23,345 --> 04:17:28,245
can be done in the ... if everyone approved ...

3927
04:17:28,245 --> 04:17:32,415
the lastly I wanted just to to bring ... bird

3928
04:17:32,415 --> 04:17:35,875
to your attention is that ...

3929
04:17:35,875 --> 04:17:40,275
if you make your comparisons between this development and tried

3930
04:17:40,275 --> 04:17:43,015
the level of men you can see a lot in

3931
04:17:43,015 --> 04:17:48,295
that differences there at least tried they'll have the respect

3932
04:17:48,295 --> 04:17:52,695
for a dear of future development but they've received has

3933
04:17:53,095 --> 04:17:57,185
no respect in the neighbourhood and ... I would like

3934
04:17:57,185 --> 04:18:00,895
... everyone to pay attention to that and I have

3935
04:18:00,895 --> 04:18:04,065
them accountable and have them to re visit their plan

3936
04:18:04,545 --> 04:18:09,315
and ... my only request is to not allow them

3937
04:18:09,315 --> 04:18:13,695
to build more than eight story and ... even with

3938
04:18:13,725 --> 04:18:18,545
eight storey height they must make a lot of room

3939
04:18:18,545 --> 04:18:21,295
for ...

3940
04:18:21,295 --> 04:18:25,265
are there other ways of

3941
04:18:25,265 --> 04:18:28,065
commuting to the trails to the park and they must

3942
04:18:28,065 --> 04:18:32,085
compromise even with ... coming down with their heights I

3943
04:18:32,085 --> 04:18:34,205
have nothing else to say and thank you very much

3944
04:18:34,205 --> 04:18:37,825
for listening and I wish everyone good luck

3945
04:18:37,825 --> 04:18:40,405
Hey thank you Sir

3946
04:18:40,405 --> 04:18:43,455
next up is going

3947
04:18:43,455 --> 04:18:47,075
I Glenn sorry about that five minutes that's fine thank

3948
04:18:47,075 --> 04:18:51,355
you very much for allowing me to speak and ...

3949
04:18:51,355 --> 04:18:53,335


3950
04:18:53,335 --> 04:18:55,965
I I compliment you on being able to stay up

3951
04:18:55,965 --> 04:19:00,595
so late and job alerts you when everyone is saying

3952
04:19:00,595 --> 04:19:03,425
my family and I moved on to the record the

3953
04:19:03,425 --> 04:19:07,775
northwest side of baby when John in nineteen eighty one

3954
04:19:07,775 --> 04:19:11,885
John street with a quiet street has construction of houses

3955
04:19:11,885 --> 04:19:17,065
highrises shops and businesses has continued to grow the traffic

3956
04:19:17,065 --> 04:19:20,735
in the area and John street in particular has

3957
04:19:20,735 --> 04:19:23,195
offic has increased greatly

3958
04:19:23,195 --> 04:19:27,865
in twenty nineteen before the COVID situation on lock down

3959
04:19:28,415 --> 04:19:31,405
my time just a couple of times trying to turn

3960
04:19:31,405 --> 04:19:35,285
left in rush hour from baby gate arch insurance co

3961
04:19:35,285 --> 04:19:39,425
east on John street to Bayview it took about a

3962
04:19:39,425 --> 04:19:44,955
minute several times that's a long time from a residential

3963
04:19:44,955 --> 04:19:49,645
streets onto another residential street but it was to get

3964
04:19:49,645 --> 04:19:52,175
somewhere

3965
04:19:52,175 --> 04:19:55,725
in the early nineteen eighties are there was a request

3966
04:19:55,725 --> 04:19:59,355
from the citizens on the street that traffic lights being

3967
04:19:59,945 --> 04:20:03,985
installed at the intersection of Julia and B. E. Woodgate

3968
04:20:03,985 --> 04:20:08,515
and John street that was rejected because the city planners

3969
04:20:08,515 --> 04:20:12,255
decided that it would back up traffic into baby when

3970
04:20:12,255 --> 04:20:15,195
John

3971
04:20:15,195 --> 04:20:16,735
so

3972
04:20:16,735 --> 04:20:19,055
we live in a small street

3973
04:20:19,055 --> 04:20:22,875
there's only one entrance and exit I'm very concerned that

3974
04:20:22,875 --> 04:20:27,635
the increased traffic with the increased developments will cause great

3975
04:20:27,665 --> 04:20:30,815
difficulty in making a left turn out of our street

3976
04:20:30,895 --> 04:20:32,715
to go anywhere

3977
04:20:32,715 --> 04:20:35,995
and ... so I'm appreciating the fact that you are

3978
04:20:35,995 --> 04:20:37,635
considering

3979
04:20:37,635 --> 04:20:43,505
curtailing are greatly reducing the size and of this development

3980
04:20:43,935 --> 04:20:46,205
thank you

3981
04:20:46,205 --> 04:20:49,345
okay thank you Glenn reshape that next up is change

3982
04:20:49,685 --> 04:20:55,365
this Jane feel this

3983
04:20:55,365 --> 04:21:02,545
is Jane with us

3984
04:21:02,545 --> 04:21:05,775
okay Natalie Telfer

3985
04:21:05,775 --> 04:21:08,285
I did see Natalie's name not that long ago not

3986
04:21:08,285 --> 04:21:11,055
only tell for you still with us yes I am

3987
04:21:11,595 --> 04:21:14,705
hi okay Natalie if you could show your video and

3988
04:21:14,705 --> 04:21:19,525
you've got five minutes okay ... I live on ...

3989
04:21:19,805 --> 04:21:22,325
I was that my family moved here just after was

3990
04:21:22,325 --> 04:21:25,505
born and I'm back again I live most of my

3991
04:21:25,505 --> 04:21:30,035
life here I live bomb off the but Johnson on

3992
04:21:30,035 --> 04:21:31,635
double lane

3993
04:21:31,635 --> 04:21:35,825
... so I was happy with what the last person

3994
04:21:35,825 --> 04:21:40,755
spoke about about the quality of liberty development ... I

3995
04:21:40,795 --> 04:21:45,445
am wish that the darn hill had the highest building

3996
04:21:45,445 --> 04:21:48,705
standards I understand that I think it's Toronto and another

3997
04:21:48,705 --> 04:21:52,785
missed municipality has and I think that would bring us

3998
04:21:52,785 --> 04:21:57,915
things like ... like tried out tried out ... worked

3999
04:21:57,915 --> 04:22:02,745
with Toronto atmosphere fine to build two condos next door

4000
04:22:02,745 --> 04:22:08,045
to each other and ... they built that one to

4001
04:22:08,085 --> 04:22:12,005
forty one percent higher efficiency and not is really crucial

4002
04:22:12,005 --> 04:22:15,935
because it's kind of development ... use a lot of

4003
04:22:16,135 --> 04:22:19,765
... create a lot of greenhouse gases huge amounts and

4004
04:22:19,805 --> 04:22:22,965
and ... and it's it's

4005
04:22:22,965 --> 04:22:26,595
so important ... ... ... to fight climate change on

4006
04:22:26,595 --> 04:22:30,655
that they'd be as efficient as possible ... so

4007
04:22:30,655 --> 04:22:32,955
so if we had hired standards I think we would

4008
04:22:32,955 --> 04:22:35,045
get like the best kind of building I mean there's

4009
04:22:35,045 --> 04:22:37,765
landmark right across the road and I was there a

4010
04:22:37,765 --> 04:22:41,785
year ago or so and it ... it had an

4011
04:22:41,785 --> 04:22:47,305
award for being the best condo ... management of the

4012
04:22:47,305 --> 04:22:50,585
decade ... so I think you can only get that

4013
04:22:50,585 --> 04:22:54,115
if you've got a really good quality quality building ...

4014
04:22:54,145 --> 04:22:58,495
so it it lasts for ... ... very long time

4015
04:22:58,495 --> 04:23:01,515
and like on the other hand for the opposite situation

4016
04:23:01,515 --> 04:23:04,415
I was just reading about a rancher is that the

4017
04:23:04,925 --> 04:23:08,965
landlord doesn't care ... that her bills in the winter

4018
04:23:08,965 --> 04:23:12,635
or super high that they can't ... place affected Lee

4019
04:23:12,635 --> 04:23:16,775
in the summer ... because the tenant eight about so

4020
04:23:17,275 --> 04:23:20,505
if we want to preserve like

4021
04:23:20,505 --> 04:23:24,305
the quality of living for people and not and not

4022
04:23:24,305 --> 04:23:27,075
bring him out and in the world we need to

4023
04:23:27,075 --> 04:23:31,575
fight ... the green house gas emission

4024
04:23:31,575 --> 04:23:34,895
and ... and if we had higher building standards we

4025
04:23:34,895 --> 04:23:38,015
could have maybe some innovative builders like they did not

4026
04:23:38,165 --> 04:23:41,125
Vancouver they've building non

4027
04:23:41,125 --> 04:23:45,475
high pressure ... mid rise building they can build up

4028
04:23:45,475 --> 04:23:48,745
to I don't know six stories high ... using high

4029
04:23:48,745 --> 04:23:52,875
pressure ... would and that is on the new kind

4030
04:23:52,875 --> 04:23:57,165
of by idea and it ... it stores carbon right

4031
04:23:57,165 --> 04:24:00,335
in the woods so the building last a hundred years

4032
04:24:00,335 --> 04:24:04,595
because it'll be I really are um well built ...

4033
04:24:04,765 --> 04:24:09,145
then not then it it ... holding that carbon four

4034
04:24:09,145 --> 04:24:11,765
hundred years so and now I'm going to start to

4035
04:24:11,765 --> 04:24:13,935
repeat myself probably

4036
04:24:13,935 --> 04:24:15,785


4037
04:24:15,785 --> 04:24:20,215
so yeah ... I don't know how to how it

4038
04:24:20,215 --> 04:24:22,745
works that that you know that you change the building

4039
04:24:22,745 --> 04:24:24,685
standards but I guess it is up to you guys

4040
04:24:24,845 --> 04:24:28,045
... so thank you very much

4041
04:24:28,045 --> 04:24:29,885
bash

4042
04:24:29,885 --> 04:24:34,495
okay thanks Natalie appreciate your comments a Jane field us

4043
04:24:34,495 --> 04:24:37,045
one more time Japan are you with us to me

4044
04:24:37,045 --> 04:24:39,115
miss you

4045
04:24:39,115 --> 04:24:43,675
previously

4046
04:24:43,675 --> 04:24:48,495
okay that she's not in the local okay all right

4047
04:24:48,495 --> 04:24:50,745
members of the committee we have come to our last

4048
04:24:50,745 --> 04:24:54,825
step you tent and that is can Steinberg and can

4049
04:24:54,825 --> 04:24:57,265
if you don't know ... is the chair of the

4050
04:24:57,265 --> 04:25:00,045
huntsman I was bored and he's doing a wonderful job

4051
04:25:00,435 --> 04:25:03,505
so ... can are you still with us I hope

4052
04:25:03,505 --> 04:25:07,665
after that introduction there you are you better be

4053
04:25:07,665 --> 04:25:12,075
good to see it can your me to

4054
04:25:12,075 --> 04:25:15,445
I think I don't matter I thank you councillor ...

4055
04:25:15,445 --> 04:25:18,835
and Mister chair and ... I thank you for

4056
04:25:18,835 --> 04:25:21,855
for your attention and consideration of this very important matter

4057
04:25:21,855 --> 04:25:23,895
this evening

4058
04:25:23,895 --> 04:25:26,705
there's really probably not left to say and at this

4059
04:25:26,705 --> 04:25:28,865
point in time you will probably glad that I don't

4060
04:25:28,895 --> 04:25:31,365
have a lot to add because it's been it's been

4061
04:25:31,365 --> 04:25:34,215
a long evening I do want to point out ...

4062
04:25:34,215 --> 04:25:38,705
and thank all the previous speakers my ... my fellow

4063
04:25:38,745 --> 04:25:43,765
community members who have spoken so thoughtfully ...

4064
04:25:43,765 --> 04:25:47,465
convincingly they are with their arguments well articulated wealth out

4065
04:25:47,465 --> 04:25:49,895
out ...

4066
04:25:49,895 --> 04:25:52,865
and and their arguments were really very compelling

4067
04:25:52,865 --> 04:25:57,035
there was talk about gridlock and ... somebody yelling at

4068
04:25:57,035 --> 04:25:58,635
me

4069
04:25:58,635 --> 04:26:02,155
there was talk about gridlock there already is plenty of

4070
04:26:02,155 --> 04:26:05,095
gridlock and and I'm sure you're already aware of that

4071
04:26:05,485 --> 04:26:07,455
I

4072
04:26:07,455 --> 04:26:09,975
what I was but I'm pleased about is through all

4073
04:26:09,975 --> 04:26:14,205
the presentations I didn't you're really any

4074
04:26:14,205 --> 04:26:18,675
growth and development and that's a really important thing to

4075
04:26:18,675 --> 04:26:20,345
note that

4076
04:26:20,345 --> 04:26:24,345
I think the community understands welcomes and supports growth and

4077
04:26:24,345 --> 04:26:28,365
development and Markham is enjoying unprecedented growth and development right

4078
04:26:28,365 --> 04:26:33,795
now with the blank staff development coming about ... Rivera

4079
04:26:34,185 --> 04:26:37,135
with that the traditional ...

4080
04:26:37,135 --> 04:26:42,545
towers there's an application that says presently being considered for

4081
04:26:42,545 --> 04:26:48,185
the Thornhill square redevelopment so it's really a wonderful time

4082
04:26:48,185 --> 04:26:51,075
my concern is that these things should be looked at

4083
04:26:51,105 --> 04:26:55,075
within the context of a and B. should be considered

4084
04:26:55,915 --> 04:26:59,135
in relation to one another not individually so tonight we

4085
04:26:59,135 --> 04:27:04,495
speak about one particular development and and we're looking at

4086
04:27:04,795 --> 04:27:08,875
at the details concerning this project but as one of

4087
04:27:08,875 --> 04:27:11,985
the former speakers ... indicated and and I think I

4088
04:27:11,985 --> 04:27:14,695
jot down the words correctly they said our current and

4089
04:27:14,695 --> 04:27:17,885
future plans need to be considered together and I think

4090
04:27:17,885 --> 04:27:20,315
that's really really important

4091
04:27:20,315 --> 04:27:22,695
the ... again I have to go back to the

4092
04:27:22,695 --> 04:27:25,495
official plan but in in that ... is section eight

4093
04:27:25,815 --> 04:27:28,945
where there's discussion about land use the talk is about

4094
04:27:28,945 --> 04:27:33,855
use around areas where there is sufficient infrastructure and transit

4095
04:27:34,455 --> 04:27:36,965
and I think that that I also want to point

4096
04:27:36,965 --> 04:27:39,535
out that when we

4097
04:27:39,535 --> 04:27:42,955
look at the greater Toronto area and give

4098
04:27:42,955 --> 04:27:46,025
what's the thought about

4099
04:27:46,025 --> 04:27:51,475
what major arteries north south arteries have buildings that are

4100
04:27:51,875 --> 04:27:55,845
the height of the one or ones that that are

4101
04:27:55,845 --> 04:27:59,405
being considered here really I I can only think about

4102
04:27:59,835 --> 04:28:04,555
construction around the ... don mills and

4103
04:28:04,555 --> 04:28:09,035
this is don mills and Sheppard area which is really

4104
04:28:09,755 --> 04:28:14,845
a whole block allocated towards highrise development so the the

4105
04:28:14,845 --> 04:28:17,995
question that comes to my mind is is that one

4106
04:28:17,995 --> 04:28:23,335
of the considerations for this particular intersection being John

4107
04:28:23,335 --> 04:28:26,245
intersections is going to be a high rise development

4108
04:28:26,245 --> 04:28:27,495
because

4109
04:28:27,495 --> 04:28:32,025
that seems to be what is happening on

4110
04:28:32,025 --> 04:28:35,005
we all understand that there's fear of the unknown people

4111
04:28:35,005 --> 04:28:39,125
are resistant to change I don't hear a great resistance

4112
04:28:39,125 --> 04:28:43,855
to change and I encourage the committee to

4113
04:28:43,855 --> 04:28:47,595
the brace that embrace the willingness of the community members

4114
04:28:47,595 --> 04:28:52,625
to themselves embrace change but to tread carefully into in

4115
04:28:52,625 --> 04:28:58,665
a way which creates mutual satisfaction at benefits everyone

4116
04:28:58,665 --> 04:29:00,915
as we move forward thank you very much for your

4117
04:29:00,915 --> 04:29:03,395
time I appreciate your consideration

4118
04:29:03,395 --> 04:29:06,435
alright thank you again and thanks for staying to the

4119
04:29:06,495 --> 04:29:10,225
near near the end so ... we appreciate that too

4120
04:29:10,535 --> 04:29:12,805
all right another return to members of the committee and

4121
04:29:12,805 --> 04:29:16,065
I have a speakers list first up is Deputy Mayor

4122
04:29:16,065 --> 04:29:19,075
Hamilton

4123
04:29:19,075 --> 04:29:21,385
thank you Mr chairman so I just wanted to know

4124
04:29:21,385 --> 04:29:25,095
Mr chairman and not through you but to you I

4125
04:29:25,095 --> 04:29:26,955
wonder if you can tell me or maybe we have

4126
04:29:26,955 --> 04:29:30,815
to refer ask for staff what happened to our request

4127
04:29:30,815 --> 04:29:35,665
for a more comprehensive planning exercise for this area that

4128
04:29:35,665 --> 04:29:41,885
would incorporate that Thornhill square proposed development a redevelopment I

4129
04:29:41,885 --> 04:29:46,235
should say and the shoulder ice and incorporate also what

4130
04:29:46,235 --> 04:29:50,145
currently exists and what's coming pretty soon I eat a

4131
04:29:50,145 --> 04:29:53,775
landmark and the tried L. buildings

4132
04:29:53,775 --> 04:29:56,835
it term it was ... it was referring to at

4133
04:29:56,835 --> 04:30:03,335
council last Tuesday to staff for further analysis

4134
04:30:03,335 --> 04:30:06,445
yes my thought is that we should be moving ahead

4135
04:30:06,445 --> 04:30:09,235
on sorry

4136
04:30:09,235 --> 04:30:13,925
clause by clause remember was quite lengthy okay and I

4137
04:30:14,005 --> 04:30:18,275
shared I chaired that portion actually was a councillor Deacy

4138
04:30:18,275 --> 04:30:21,535
now it was Deacy

4139
04:30:21,535 --> 04:30:26,275
or I I assume that wait a minute now

4140
04:30:26,275 --> 04:30:28,895
Mr Mayor money

4141
04:30:28,895 --> 04:30:34,535
it was hammer ours Elton because you second the motion

4142
04:30:34,535 --> 04:30:37,795
there were three that's right there were three motions ...

4143
04:30:38,015 --> 04:30:41,985
the Deputy Mayor actual that's the one yeah okay ...

4144
04:30:42,015 --> 04:30:43,415
yeah

4145
04:30:43,415 --> 04:30:46,515
anyway I I you know

4146
04:30:46,515 --> 04:30:51,765
to consider this now without that comprehensive look

4147
04:30:51,765 --> 04:30:55,575
... I don't think it's right Mr chairman so you

4148
04:30:55,575 --> 04:30:58,595
know I don't really like either the options of we're

4149
04:30:58,845 --> 04:31:02,245
we're being afforded tonight but I'll see what you have

4150
04:31:02,245 --> 04:31:04,645
to say is the local councillor

4151
04:31:04,645 --> 04:31:07,765
I can tell you that regional councillor Jones and I

4152
04:31:08,165 --> 04:31:11,145
met with the planning staff on January seventh of this

4153
04:31:11,145 --> 04:31:15,845
year and had this very discussion yeah and ask staff

4154
04:31:16,005 --> 04:31:20,775
as a position on this ... so it is easier

4155
04:31:20,775 --> 04:31:23,545
was at the meeting at rhomb Lake can correct and

4156
04:31:23,545 --> 04:31:26,695
the restaurant I don't know if you're prepared to share

4157
04:31:26,695 --> 04:31:31,465
that the and what do you want I know I

4158
04:31:31,465 --> 04:31:35,055
know I put you on the spot service ... why

4159
04:31:35,055 --> 04:31:37,465
don't you share it it's more less to along the

4160
04:31:37,465 --> 04:31:41,545
lines of about two months ago I made the case

4161
04:31:41,545 --> 04:31:44,715
or at least I I reached out to the planners

4162
04:31:44,975 --> 04:31:49,575
and asked for a comprehensive traffic study at least in

4163
04:31:49,575 --> 04:31:52,355
the neighbourhood and they they have a similar position as

4164
04:31:52,355 --> 04:31:55,795
they had with regional council Jones tonight on January seventh

4165
04:31:56,005 --> 04:31:58,885
round you want to share that

4166
04:31:58,885 --> 04:32:01,175
through you Mr juror mom

4167
04:32:01,175 --> 04:32:03,035
I guess there's a

4168
04:32:03,035 --> 04:32:07,445
a couple of ... couple of issues ... in terms

4169
04:32:07,445 --> 04:32:12,765
of the transportation study I think we have staff agree

4170
04:32:12,795 --> 04:32:17,285
that the transportation impacts from this development and from the

4171
04:32:17,285 --> 04:32:20,775
other applications that are being proposed in the area do

4172
04:32:20,775 --> 04:32:25,385
need to be looked at comprehensively and we're we fully

4173
04:32:25,385 --> 04:32:28,605
support that I think the question is how do you

4174
04:32:28,605 --> 04:32:32,115
actually achieve a comprehensive review and there's a number of

4175
04:32:32,115 --> 04:32:36,035
different ways that that can be

4176
04:32:36,035 --> 04:32:42,115
through our ... you know separate standalone independent study it

4177
04:32:42,115 --> 04:32:47,885
can also be achieved through ... the traffic studies that

4178
04:32:47,915 --> 04:32:53,275
are being prepared and being reviewed right now by staff

4179
04:32:53,715 --> 04:32:56,255
... and

4180
04:32:56,255 --> 04:33:00,375
by the

4181
04:33:00,375 --> 04:33:04,145
I guess the comments in the ... terms of reference

4182
04:33:04,145 --> 04:33:07,985
that staff will be looking for in those studies that

4183
04:33:08,085 --> 04:33:13,055
look at a full accounting background study background traffic the

4184
04:33:13,055 --> 04:33:18,315
full accounting of the other development applications that are being

4185
04:33:18,315 --> 04:33:21,475
proposed in the area and a full accounting of the

4186
04:33:21,475 --> 04:33:25,275
future implications so I I think from you know from

4187
04:33:25,275 --> 04:33:29,495
that standpoint whether or not this is a completely independent

4188
04:33:29,495 --> 04:33:35,975
third party study or whether it's ... ... thoroughly reviewed

4189
04:33:35,975 --> 04:33:41,275
comprehensive traffic study that's been prepared by the individual ...

4190
04:33:41,335 --> 04:33:45,255
applicant ... I think it can achieve the same goals

4191
04:33:45,305 --> 04:33:50,245
the traffic studies are being prepared by ... competent professionals

4192
04:33:50,645 --> 04:33:55,715
and ... they are being thoroughly reviewed by staff

4193
04:33:55,715 --> 04:33:59,655
so Mister chairman art it through you to run are

4194
04:33:59,655 --> 04:34:04,175
they looking at different scenarios because along with the transportation

4195
04:34:04,175 --> 04:34:06,605
and they're all intertwined it's sort of a chicken and

4196
04:34:06,605 --> 04:34:10,885
egg thing ... you got the building heights which which

4197
04:34:10,995 --> 04:34:14,755
impact the densities or the density impacts the building heights

4198
04:34:15,355 --> 04:34:19,205
and the transit options ... which we talked about you

4199
04:34:19,205 --> 04:34:22,145
know many of the residents talk about that tonight the

4200
04:34:22,145 --> 04:34:25,615
higher order transit options that are open

4201
04:34:25,615 --> 04:34:29,575
all these things filter into one another and so as

4202
04:34:29,575 --> 04:34:33,655
long as the the professional transportation person is looking at

4203
04:34:33,655 --> 04:34:36,255
you know different scenarios you know if we give you

4204
04:34:36,255 --> 04:34:39,015
this much density this is going to be the effect

4205
04:34:39,015 --> 04:34:42,285
on the transportation or if we give you this much

4206
04:34:42,285 --> 04:34:45,035
density then you know this is going to be the

4207
04:34:45,035 --> 04:34:48,395
effect right and and you know what's happening with the

4208
04:34:48,395 --> 04:34:51,925
higher order transit are can we expect any you know

4209
04:34:51,965 --> 04:34:53,925
and so on

4210
04:34:53,925 --> 04:34:58,445
through you Mr chairman ... the scenarios being examined artists

4211
04:34:58,445 --> 04:35:03,805
in areas that are being proposed by the applicant and

4212
04:35:03,805 --> 04:35:07,565
in many ways the worst case scenario speakers the density

4213
04:35:07,565 --> 04:35:09,535
of the running yes I'm going to go any higher

4214
04:35:09,535 --> 04:35:12,735
than what's being proposed right now so if you can

4215
04:35:12,735 --> 04:35:14,775
make it work and I'm not saying you can on

4216
04:35:14,885 --> 04:35:18,085
your phone bills I'm not we now have been finished

4217
04:35:18,085 --> 04:35:21,155
yet you make it work and ... that is the

4218
04:35:21,155 --> 04:35:25,905
worst case scenario arm the other thing too is that

4219
04:35:25,905 --> 04:35:31,135
these traffic impact studies normally look at all the traffic

4220
04:35:31,135 --> 04:35:34,975
obviously but they're looking at transit you're looking at proposed

4221
04:35:34,975 --> 04:35:39,195
improvements and they're also looking at ... are not you

4222
04:35:39,195 --> 04:35:43,625
know nontraditional forms of transit like biking and walking you

4223
04:35:43,625 --> 04:35:48,595
know how those particular ... molds can also help in

4224
04:35:48,595 --> 04:35:52,365
the area but mentally it's not a highly urban areas

4225
04:35:52,365 --> 04:35:55,385
and that's been have lasted much of an impact Wednesday

4226
04:35:55,385 --> 04:35:58,985
over young street most of those those are certain service

4227
04:35:58,985 --> 04:36:00,905
well

4228
04:36:00,905 --> 04:36:03,265
okay that's all I have for now Mister chairman thank

4229
04:36:03,265 --> 04:36:06,655
you Hey baby ... if we may yet if I

4230
04:36:06,655 --> 04:36:10,455
may on the same topic ... I'd like regional cancer

4231
04:36:10,455 --> 04:36:17,135
Jones two two way and because what is essentially is

4232
04:36:17,135 --> 04:36:20,605
motion the one that said that I'd seconded and that's

4233
04:36:20,605 --> 04:36:24,235
been referred to staff for further study and analysis is

4234
04:36:24,235 --> 04:36:29,345
envisioning a higher order transit network servicing this part of

4235
04:36:29,345 --> 04:36:32,195
Thornhill which

4236
04:36:32,195 --> 04:36:34,795
naturally begs

4237
04:36:34,795 --> 04:36:37,815
increased density and more people to use that I order

4238
04:36:37,815 --> 04:36:40,085
transit Jim did you did you want to add anything

4239
04:36:40,085 --> 04:36:42,675
to that because I I know you've been you've been

4240
04:36:42,675 --> 04:36:47,615
at this for at least seven years so overview

4241
04:36:47,615 --> 04:36:51,235
thank you what I was looking for as a holistic

4242
04:36:51,385 --> 04:36:55,675
comprehensive study and how at all buildings involved what you're

4243
04:36:55,675 --> 04:36:58,035
trying to do relate to each other

4244
04:36:58,035 --> 04:37:01,335
and like ... the redoing of Thornhill square just making

4245
04:37:01,335 --> 04:37:05,365
sure that you had the right road patterns six Sentra

4246
04:37:05,895 --> 04:37:09,485
and then how you could we've been

4247
04:37:09,485 --> 04:37:14,255
show based and also your planning the the ... the

4248
04:37:14,255 --> 04:37:19,605
low rise ... Clement areas there re purposing that Kenny

4249
04:37:19,805 --> 04:37:22,765
and and the goal is to get a transit station

4250
04:37:22,765 --> 04:37:26,515
there our goal transit station

4251
04:37:26,515 --> 04:37:30,095
and so that that that's what the goal is and

4252
04:37:30,095 --> 04:37:32,595
and ... the other thing I had in there because

4253
04:37:32,595 --> 04:37:36,105
I know that for example the future of go stations

4254
04:37:36,105 --> 04:37:40,325
are going to have minimal parking is to maybe do

4255
04:37:40,325 --> 04:37:42,575
a studies but the study could be done in Markham

4256
04:37:42,575 --> 04:37:47,185
center of Thomas vehicles to get people within a five

4257
04:37:47,185 --> 04:37:51,315
hundred or a thousand meter of the station to the

4258
04:37:51,315 --> 04:37:54,375
station but also to shopping and things like that so

4259
04:37:54,375 --> 04:37:56,865
try to look at the future

4260
04:37:56,865 --> 04:38:00,525
and ... and try to make this a transit oriented

4261
04:38:00,575 --> 04:38:02,405
community

4262
04:38:02,405 --> 04:38:04,625
that's our goal

4263
04:38:04,625 --> 04:38:08,635
okay thank you regional campuses John next sorry Mr teacher

4264
04:38:08,665 --> 04:38:12,815
sorry Justin ... Jack not that the regional council Jones

4265
04:38:12,815 --> 04:38:15,175
needs my help but just just to be clear because

4266
04:38:15,175 --> 04:38:18,675
people have different definitions yeah I think what he meant

4267
04:38:18,675 --> 04:38:24,395
to say was a goal train station ... and so

4268
04:38:25,235 --> 04:38:28,975
when they say goal goal still tracked local transit's station

4269
04:38:28,975 --> 04:38:31,665
and I just wanna make sure people are clear as

4270
04:38:31,665 --> 04:38:37,855
to what your objectives the was yes yeah yeah okay

4271
04:38:37,895 --> 04:38:39,625
thank you

4272
04:38:39,625 --> 04:38:42,905
regional councillor 8

4273
04:38:42,905 --> 04:38:45,605
well thank you and I think it's quite late there

4274
04:38:45,605 --> 04:38:49,595
Mister chair so be very quick ... I think several

4275
04:38:49,595 --> 04:38:53,095
of the speakers ... hit bang on ... and that

4276
04:38:53,095 --> 04:38:56,125
I thought they all were actually and they just really

4277
04:38:56,385 --> 04:38:59,445
all sorts of great ideas and ... it lots of

4278
04:38:59,445 --> 04:39:03,885
consideration I congratulate to all your residents Mister chair there

4279
04:39:04,145 --> 04:39:07,255
and I think they were coached all by you are

4280
04:39:07,255 --> 04:39:11,275
because they really did a good job ... ... anyways

4281
04:39:11,625 --> 04:39:13,505
I think we should be looking at something like an

4282
04:39:13,505 --> 04:39:17,955
interim control bylaw something that says stop

4283
04:39:17,955 --> 04:39:21,795
this kind of these independent developments that don't relate to

4284
04:39:21,795 --> 04:39:24,585
each other we've got tried L. which is yet to

4285
04:39:24,585 --> 04:39:27,125
break ground with the two of buildings just to the

4286
04:39:27,125 --> 04:39:31,245
north we've got the the one over formula square which

4287
04:39:31,655 --> 04:39:34,305
we still we're going to have a public meeting sometime

4288
04:39:34,305 --> 04:39:36,965
in in the fall I assume we got this one

4289
04:39:37,105 --> 04:39:39,775
which is turned out to be phase one we got

4290
04:39:39,805 --> 04:39:43,505
other opportunities right in the area ... that could happen

4291
04:39:44,065 --> 04:39:46,805
and then we got Langstaff all of about a quarter

4292
04:39:46,805 --> 04:39:50,525
and a half nor and I have no idea Mr

4293
04:39:50,525 --> 04:39:54,055
chair what's your Richmond hill is thinking all north of

4294
04:39:54,055 --> 04:39:56,385
the floral seven

4295
04:39:56,385 --> 04:39:58,325
all the way up but who knows how far up

4296
04:39:58,325 --> 04:40:00,925
it could be ... it are they have developments to

4297
04:40:00,925 --> 04:40:04,695
the east over near the borough court ... so I

4298
04:40:04,695 --> 04:40:08,845
just think we need some ... something that stops this

4299
04:40:08,845 --> 04:40:11,875
process for a year or two we need a ...

4300
04:40:11,905 --> 04:40:15,245
a secondary plan committee like we have over market center

4301
04:40:15,805 --> 04:40:18,915
... and we probably have you have to find a

4302
04:40:18,915 --> 04:40:24,195
way to do an independent transportation study

4303
04:40:24,195 --> 04:40:29,855
I have limited confidence ... I've never forgotten and I

4304
04:40:29,855 --> 04:40:33,915
tell the story often the only time I've ever heard

4305
04:40:33,915 --> 04:40:39,145
a transportation consultant in twenty three years say it won't

4306
04:40:39,145 --> 04:40:42,755
work this development will not work

4307
04:40:42,755 --> 04:40:46,285
I eat the person who's paying me I don't think

4308
04:40:46,285 --> 04:40:51,235
it'll work was Buttonville that's the only time all the

4309
04:40:51,235 --> 04:40:54,065
others instead they'll find a lot of work for them

4310
04:40:54,415 --> 04:40:57,735
the bear you shouldn't in infrastructure that'll be in place

4311
04:40:57,735 --> 04:40:59,275
will work

4312
04:40:59,275 --> 04:41:02,695
hi Joe Arron Blake wherever you are I want an

4313
04:41:02,695 --> 04:41:06,425
independent one I don't want to take studies that I've

4314
04:41:06,585 --> 04:41:09,205
that have been proven that will prove that it'll work

4315
04:41:09,435 --> 04:41:12,645
I want us to do one of our own

4316
04:41:12,645 --> 04:41:16,775
so an internal control bylaw our own transportation study and

4317
04:41:16,775 --> 04:41:19,645
a subcommittee with maybe an updating of the secondary plan

4318
04:41:20,005 --> 04:41:22,945
that's the only way through this or else what we

4319
04:41:22,945 --> 04:41:26,415
do is basically we Marshall stack cars and Bayview and

4320
04:41:26,415 --> 04:41:29,515
John ... so that you know you you comment take

4321
04:41:29,515 --> 04:41:33,055
on a little thing like your COVID nineteen shot and

4322
04:41:33,055 --> 04:41:35,615
you get your chance at the intersection and a half

4323
04:41:35,615 --> 04:41:37,135
an hour

4324
04:41:37,135 --> 04:41:40,725
I've been there and I'm not that often because in

4325
04:41:40,725 --> 04:41:44,545
the last year so I've been confined ... near Nightline

4326
04:41:44,545 --> 04:41:47,425
I was seven but I didn't earn injured in ...

4327
04:41:47,425 --> 04:41:49,865
in Russia are once and I think some of us

4328
04:41:49,865 --> 04:41:52,195
have been the only ones that is my rush hours

4329
04:41:52,195 --> 04:41:55,945
are on highway seven near forty eight main street market

4330
04:41:55,945 --> 04:41:59,475
so ... but ... I'll tell you I think those

4331
04:41:59,475 --> 04:42:02,175
are the only ouch you're going to be aggressive we

4332
04:42:02,175 --> 04:42:04,695
ought not to sit back and just say okay we'll

4333
04:42:04,695 --> 04:42:08,065
let it happen no we do we take it we

4334
04:42:08,065 --> 04:42:10,765
take the control are on hand to do it and

4335
04:42:10,765 --> 04:42:13,755
those are the three things I recommend ... that we

4336
04:42:13,755 --> 04:42:16,945
do right now or we do let us say in

4337
04:42:16,945 --> 04:42:20,185
the next at two or three weeks or whatever ...

4338
04:42:20,185 --> 04:42:22,615
and get off and get on with this ... or

4339
04:42:22,615 --> 04:42:26,195
else will drift into it accepting pretty close to all

4340
04:42:26,195 --> 04:42:27,575
of this

4341
04:42:27,575 --> 04:42:30,995
when I have one more comment ... the gentleman from

4342
04:42:30,995 --> 04:42:34,535
shoulder ice ... the lawyer was it was quite interesting

4343
04:42:34,535 --> 04:42:36,285
and I I can't wait to read this letter I've

4344
04:42:36,285 --> 04:42:40,015
not read the letter my apology ... the course rolled

4345
04:42:40,015 --> 04:42:42,255
ice is the one who is ... you know I'm

4346
04:42:42,255 --> 04:42:45,095
sympathetic they're a great hospital I've never used them but

4347
04:42:45,095 --> 04:42:47,765
I know others there's you have ... and they've been

4348
04:42:47,835 --> 04:42:50,295
they've done a great job which rolled ice is the

4349
04:42:50,295 --> 04:42:53,765
one who issued ... are either sold the property or

4350
04:42:53,765 --> 04:42:57,635
or a long term lease to the applicant ... and

4351
04:42:57,635 --> 04:43:00,125
... and now is complaining about some of the other

4352
04:43:00,125 --> 04:43:04,495
problems ... so I'm hoping that there if they can

4353
04:43:04,495 --> 04:43:07,085
work out their issues with them ... and the third

4354
04:43:07,115 --> 04:43:09,975
I guess one more I've been here while we are

4355
04:43:09,975 --> 04:43:14,605
improve the Thornhill community center three times three projects major

4356
04:43:14,605 --> 04:43:18,375
million dollar projects that are now community center this one

4357
04:43:18,375 --> 04:43:21,385
means number four five and six extra probably in in

4358
04:43:21,385 --> 04:43:24,015
that in our future ... and the merits been here

4359
04:43:24,015 --> 04:43:26,215
when we've done all that work and then he'd been

4360
04:43:26,215 --> 04:43:28,415
there when we got the ribbons and they were really

4361
04:43:28,415 --> 04:43:30,615
important I think I can name them exactly it was

4362
04:43:30,915 --> 04:43:33,085
done the committee for the mall for those things I'm

4363
04:43:33,085 --> 04:43:35,445
glad that we have a very good active committee now

4364
04:43:35,785 --> 04:43:38,215
but I remember the senior centre in all the work

4365
04:43:38,215 --> 04:43:41,625
we get there and he would remember we discovered at

4366
04:43:41,625 --> 04:43:44,645
one point Mr decks that all my god there's a

4367
04:43:44,645 --> 04:43:47,865
... there's some infrastructure under the building we didn't even

4368
04:43:47,865 --> 04:43:51,375
unknown up which crosses at half a million all over

4369
04:43:51,595 --> 04:43:55,805
if I'm not mistaken something like that anyway thank you

4370
04:43:55,805 --> 04:43:59,665
regional cancer if I must ask are you tired

4371
04:43:59,665 --> 04:44:04,885
because you were on fire your lawyer Sir

4372
04:44:04,885 --> 04:44:08,175
thirty at night it in your eyes I'd seldom seen

4373
04:44:08,175 --> 04:44:11,795
news so robust

4374
04:44:11,795 --> 04:44:15,845
and you're doing a good job Mr Jericho carry on

4375
04:44:15,845 --> 04:44:23,165
all right next up is Mayor Scarpitti

4376
04:44:23,165 --> 04:44:27,275
well thank you Mr chair I will say to very

4377
04:44:27,275 --> 04:44:31,495
good presentation set tonight and ... I'm glad you're able

4378
04:44:31,495 --> 04:44:35,145
to ... certainly give ... you know that it knowledge

4379
04:44:35,145 --> 04:44:38,005
meant to throw throughout the evening

4380
04:44:38,005 --> 04:44:41,445
... so you know I think I I don't want

4381
04:44:41,445 --> 04:44:43,575
to go into all the details because it is it

4382
04:44:43,575 --> 04:44:48,165
is late but ... I think Mister chair let's let's

4383
04:44:48,165 --> 04:44:51,105
just ... I heard a bit of a pausing to

4384
04:44:51,105 --> 04:44:53,875
pause right now is let's just go back and I

4385
04:44:53,875 --> 04:44:57,245
is I much as I appreciate stop or are doing

4386
04:44:57,245 --> 04:45:01,245
what they do and that's process applications and I think

4387
04:45:01,245 --> 04:45:06,055
... it was pretty obvious ... it tonight that this

4388
04:45:06,055 --> 04:45:08,885
is a proposal that we have and and I think

4389
04:45:09,135 --> 04:45:12,265
there might have been some knowledge by many that ...

4390
04:45:12,265 --> 04:45:16,495
proposals come in ... almost everyday to the city and

4391
04:45:16,495 --> 04:45:19,635
we have to evaluate them and and consider them and

4392
04:45:19,635 --> 04:45:23,155
and ... certain contacts them so I appreciate the fact

4393
04:45:23,155 --> 04:45:25,735
that people have realized you know sort of how the

4394
04:45:25,735 --> 04:45:28,585
process so how the process works and I think that

4395
04:45:28,585 --> 04:45:32,275
was almost inherent in recognizing that with all the comments

4396
04:45:32,305 --> 04:45:36,925
a very very good comments ... both the concerns are

4397
04:45:36,925 --> 04:45:40,725
great comments about the connectivity to the open space and

4398
04:45:41,175 --> 04:45:42,845
I'm not gonna go back and look for all the

4399
04:45:42,845 --> 04:45:45,515
names but the one suggestion about well if you're gonna

4400
04:45:45,515 --> 04:45:49,255
have a connection through this development get a public easement

4401
04:45:49,255 --> 04:45:52,185
so that it's ... it's part of the public property

4402
04:45:52,535 --> 04:45:55,865
are going through this area to connect to the open

4403
04:45:55,865 --> 04:46:02,235
space ... the impacts ... to the ... adjoining neighbors

4404
04:46:02,585 --> 04:46:05,675
certainly traffic hi ... and again I don't wanna sound

4405
04:46:05,675 --> 04:46:07,905
like we can go through some of the points made

4406
04:46:07,905 --> 04:46:12,725
tonight I think we ... and rightly so ... gave

4407
04:46:12,725 --> 04:46:16,935
every speaker there moment and rather than clarify or ask

4408
04:46:16,935 --> 04:46:20,745
questions almost every speaker ... in trying to get to

4409
04:46:20,745 --> 04:46:24,695
a timely fashion this allowed everyone to to speak but

4410
04:46:24,695 --> 04:46:27,655
I think it does ... beg the question and it

4411
04:46:27,655 --> 04:46:30,585
was a small point but even the point about the

4412
04:46:30,585 --> 04:46:34,275
people cutting through landmark and people not recognizing there's already

4413
04:46:34,275 --> 04:46:38,005
been a solution for for that particular

4414
04:46:38,005 --> 04:46:40,645
the issue I think speaks to the fact that we

4415
04:46:40,645 --> 04:46:43,955
still have to share quite a bit of information it's

4416
04:46:43,955 --> 04:46:47,275
not higher order transit by any stretch of the imagination

4417
04:46:47,765 --> 04:46:50,525
but you know they're whether with see the widening of

4418
04:46:50,525 --> 04:46:54,125
Bayview there is an HOV lane wait the reason the

4419
04:46:54,125 --> 04:46:57,785
HOV lane as there is in fact to make transit

4420
04:46:57,845 --> 04:47:01,605
more competitive with us some of the gridlock that that

4421
04:47:01,605 --> 04:47:04,185
the community faces not just in part help by the

4422
04:47:04,185 --> 04:47:09,005
way but not everywhere in the GTA so I think

4423
04:47:09,005 --> 04:47:12,165
... the pauses let's just go back let's let's think

4424
04:47:12,165 --> 04:47:15,635
about how we move forward ... there's been a suggestion

4425
04:47:15,685 --> 04:47:17,705
I think ...

4426
04:47:17,705 --> 04:47:20,665
we we take

4427
04:47:20,665 --> 04:47:22,725
we have to think about what our next steps are

4428
04:47:22,725 --> 04:47:26,835
going to be a you know it's interesting everything is

4429
04:47:26,835 --> 04:47:30,275
relative and I heard quite a few people this evening

4430
04:47:30,645 --> 04:47:35,665
comment positively about the redevelopment of support elsewhere which ...

4431
04:47:35,665 --> 04:47:38,195
I guess was interesting to kinda here well there was

4432
04:47:38,195 --> 04:47:42,275
a reasonableness and approach to the redevelopment that we've got

4433
04:47:42,275 --> 04:47:44,975
in front of us there and this is going back

4434
04:47:44,975 --> 04:47:47,775
many years ago but when we're dealing with the landmark

4435
04:47:48,215 --> 04:47:51,395
... you know we we had ... even more people

4436
04:47:51,395 --> 04:47:55,055
that showed up tonight saying that if landmark ever got

4437
04:47:55,055 --> 04:47:59,585
approved it was going to destroy torn hell and ...

4438
04:47:59,585 --> 04:48:03,845
you know we had that development there ... it's fit

4439
04:48:03,845 --> 04:48:07,615
in ... as one of the speakers ... spoke about

4440
04:48:07,615 --> 04:48:10,155
the fact that it's it's been well managed and they've

4441
04:48:10,155 --> 04:48:12,885
won awards for that and I and I also wanted

4442
04:48:12,885 --> 04:48:15,625
to reiterate there's a lot of things that that have

4443
04:48:15,625 --> 04:48:20,735
been brought up in relation to heritage preservation and sustainability

4444
04:48:21,075 --> 04:48:24,515
... a number of points products at this evening that

4445
04:48:24,545 --> 04:48:27,415
I think we as the city of Markham either have

4446
04:48:27,415 --> 04:48:31,145
a track record or certainly ... there's more of the

4447
04:48:31,145 --> 04:48:34,545
process to be undertaken that this is not the end

4448
04:48:34,545 --> 04:48:37,495
of the process this is really in many respects the

4449
04:48:37,495 --> 04:48:40,265
beginning of the process and there is still a lot

4450
04:48:40,265 --> 04:48:42,645
more work to do so I would just say it's

4451
04:48:42,645 --> 04:48:45,825
for the purpose of this evening the community's been loud

4452
04:48:45,825 --> 04:48:52,165
and clear the the the points were well articulated and

4453
04:48:52,165 --> 04:48:55,035
... let us go back and think about how we

4454
04:48:55,035 --> 04:48:59,225
move forward with you as the the local councillor working

4455
04:48:59,225 --> 04:49:03,095
with ... the developer taking into account that I think

4456
04:49:03,095 --> 04:49:06,785
there's probably gonna be a layering of this ... because

4457
04:49:06,815 --> 04:49:13,105
unfortunately the planning process also to some degree ... forces

4458
04:49:13,105 --> 04:49:18,395
our hand to be able to respond to applications that

4459
04:49:18,395 --> 04:49:20,665
being said I think there's many points

4460
04:49:20,665 --> 04:49:23,755
so the community of made and we've already heard from

4461
04:49:23,755 --> 04:49:26,655
members of council that there needs to be and if

4462
04:49:26,655 --> 04:49:30,785
it's not in totality in other words the admission of

4463
04:49:30,785 --> 04:49:34,625
the new and and regional council Jones moved ... about

4464
04:49:34,625 --> 04:49:38,595
a week ago or so that's a very comprehensive perhaps

4465
04:49:38,595 --> 04:49:42,295
a bit more longer term thought about what should happen

4466
04:49:42,295 --> 04:49:45,785
in the area in the meantime though I think there

4467
04:49:45,785 --> 04:49:52,335
are elements like traffic and perhaps relationships and perhaps when

4468
04:49:52,335 --> 04:49:55,085
we take a look and by the way it may

4469
04:49:55,085 --> 04:49:59,425
not necessarily be it may not necessarily be a bad

4470
04:49:59,425 --> 04:50:03,935
thing that there isn't park land on the shoulders property

4471
04:50:04,315 --> 04:50:07,505
and maybe that there isn't enough park land on the

4472
04:50:07,685 --> 04:50:12,085
redevelopment of Thornhill square property but when you combine what

4473
04:50:12,085 --> 04:50:15,555
they have to give to the municipality maybe we can

4474
04:50:15,955 --> 04:50:19,905
develop ... further park land as as part of the

4475
04:50:19,905 --> 04:50:22,755
community so these are the where I say I think

4476
04:50:22,755 --> 04:50:25,745
we can take elements of what's happening in the area

4477
04:50:26,135 --> 04:50:30,015
thanks things through a little bit more comprehensively than just

4478
04:50:30,015 --> 04:50:34,725
dealing with one application it's generally done but I think

4479
04:50:34,725 --> 04:50:37,745
we have to take this up several levels and and

4480
04:50:37,745 --> 04:50:41,005
really do it and and not necessarily because I I'm

4481
04:50:41,005 --> 04:50:44,245
not sure we're gonna have the luxury of waiting with

4482
04:50:44,245 --> 04:50:47,885
the process that that you regional council Jones asked us

4483
04:50:47,885 --> 04:50:51,885
to do in a in a broader sense and with

4484
04:50:51,925 --> 04:50:55,965
the objective of ultimately getting a goal

4485
04:50:55,965 --> 04:51:00,005
Raymond station there which may or may not happen so

4486
04:51:00,005 --> 04:51:03,775
anything we we think about in the future would have

4487
04:51:03,775 --> 04:51:06,715
to be tied in with that actually happening because you

4488
04:51:06,715 --> 04:51:09,995
don't want to embark on something that the won't come

4489
04:51:09,995 --> 04:51:13,155
about but in the meantime I think those elements that

4490
04:51:13,155 --> 04:51:17,045
we can combine and be more comprehensive so I'm gonna

4491
04:51:17,045 --> 04:51:21,615
move we receive all the deputations ... is lets us

4492
04:51:21,615 --> 04:51:24,905
talk about this a little bit more and and we'll

4493
04:51:24,905 --> 04:51:28,495
move forward and and a commitment will be I'll make

4494
04:51:28,495 --> 04:51:31,045
it right now and I say it with confidence ...

4495
04:51:31,345 --> 04:51:34,575
with all members of council we will not be dealing

4496
04:51:34,575 --> 04:51:38,705
with these applications in isolation they may not be subject

4497
04:51:38,705 --> 04:51:43,245
to an overall comprehensive plan as I said the planning

4498
04:51:43,245 --> 04:51:45,935
process may not give us the luxury of time to

4499
04:51:45,935 --> 04:51:51,545
do that but there will be traffic park land dedication

4500
04:51:52,005 --> 04:51:56,975
... the issue of capacity of recreational facilities I think

4501
04:51:57,095 --> 04:51:59,575
I think those are the types of things that we

4502
04:51:59,575 --> 04:52:02,925
don't have to say well you know let's deal with

4503
04:52:02,925 --> 04:52:06,845
them individually know there's enough property here but there's aspects

4504
04:52:06,845 --> 04:52:09,995
of this that we can come together on and develop

4505
04:52:10,025 --> 04:52:14,695
... a response and a strategy in what applicants have

4506
04:52:14,695 --> 04:52:17,795
come in to us asking for so I'll move that

4507
04:52:17,795 --> 04:52:21,045
they be received and that ... you know obviously this

4508
04:52:21,045 --> 04:52:24,825
be referred back to stop but in that will get

4509
04:52:24,825 --> 04:52:27,915
back to the community with the developing a process that

4510
04:52:27,915 --> 04:52:31,795
allows us to deal with the applications and deal with

4511
04:52:31,795 --> 04:52:34,975
many of the issues they raised tonight I you know

4512
04:52:34,975 --> 04:52:37,975
will work out them and then say that will take

4513
04:52:37,975 --> 04:52:42,015
a comprehensive approach in response to the applications that we

4514
04:52:42,015 --> 04:52:47,635
perceived as well

4515
04:52:47,635 --> 04:52:50,925
Hey ... I think that thank you so moved by

4516
04:52:50,925 --> 04:52:54,855
... moved by mayor Scarpitti seconded by regional councillor Keith

4517
04:52:55,255 --> 04:52:58,975
I still love regional council Jones on the speakers list

4518
04:52:58,975 --> 04:53:03,455
over to you Sir yes thank you Mr chair ...

4519
04:53:03,455 --> 04:53:06,255
yeah but I think what we gotta do here Mister

4520
04:53:06,255 --> 04:53:09,775
chair is an and I've created a fifteen sixteen page

4521
04:53:09,775 --> 04:53:12,515
document it's only ten points of the lot of reading

4522
04:53:13,115 --> 04:53:17,645
but I've been looking at the Vancouver system and both

4523
04:53:17,645 --> 04:53:20,725
the Canada we explore the millennium line and how they're

4524
04:53:20,725 --> 04:53:25,685
doing transit oriented communities and that's what I'd like when

4525
04:53:25,685 --> 04:53:29,115
I put this document together I took both positions hi

4526
04:53:29,925 --> 04:53:33,455
and then also I took a

4527
04:53:33,455 --> 04:53:35,795
and people that are against by but I think the

4528
04:53:35,795 --> 04:53:40,735
issue here is ... is it is it the institutional

4529
04:53:40,735 --> 04:53:43,825
height towards the issues design and I think the issue

4530
04:53:43,825 --> 04:53:48,005
here is minimum design and how integrated all together and

4531
04:53:48,075 --> 04:53:51,725
Mister chair I'd like this to try to make this

4532
04:53:51,725 --> 04:53:56,165
station a model of TOC because this by itself will

4533
04:53:56,165 --> 04:54:00,515
not solve our transit or transit problems but I think

4534
04:54:00,755 --> 04:54:03,075
I think somebody said earlier that we have to work

4535
04:54:03,075 --> 04:54:06,275
with Richmond hill on this line to see what they're

4536
04:54:06,275 --> 04:54:10,305
gonna do and some of their transit orientated community and

4537
04:54:10,385 --> 04:54:12,325
the potential and also we have to work with the

4538
04:54:12,325 --> 04:54:13,985
city across

4539
04:54:13,985 --> 04:54:16,895
and and the goal it on this station here what

4540
04:54:16,895 --> 04:54:21,665
do you have a retail so that it is accessible

4541
04:54:21,665 --> 04:54:25,305
by everybody needs to be a teacher get some office

4542
04:54:25,595 --> 04:54:29,135
and and residential and an integrated in and that and

4543
04:54:29,135 --> 04:54:32,695
also make this a destination every station that we plan

4544
04:54:32,695 --> 04:54:36,685
from here on in should become destinations right now the

4545
04:54:36,685 --> 04:54:40,015
Richmond hill goal line does ten thousand wall before Colbert

4546
04:54:40,315 --> 04:54:43,335
did ten thousand riders today I'd like to see by

4547
04:54:43,335 --> 04:54:46,295
twenty fifty one that this line those three hundred thousand

4548
04:54:46,295 --> 04:54:49,605
passengers okay so that's the serious type of planning we

4549
04:54:49,605 --> 04:54:52,695
gotta do to make transit work and the motion that

4550
04:54:52,695 --> 04:54:56,305
I tabled with your seconded Mr chair it was also

4551
04:54:56,305 --> 04:55:00,935
revealed by Metrolinx so Metrolinx is aware that we're trying

4552
04:55:00,935 --> 04:55:03,795
to do this I also know the big problem we

4553
04:55:03,795 --> 04:55:07,465
have with transit here is the diamond and that's substantial

4554
04:55:07,795 --> 04:55:11,465
dollars to fix that but ... I I'd like I

4555
04:55:11,465 --> 04:55:15,105
didn't go out to try to slow down timber creek

4556
04:55:15,105 --> 04:55:18,625
the September creek or show vice or try dell or

4557
04:55:18,625 --> 04:55:21,195
anybody else but I think what we gotta do this

4558
04:55:21,195 --> 04:55:24,085
we've us all in together maybe there are some retrofitting

4559
04:55:24,085 --> 04:55:27,595
done for the community center there yeah but the thing

4560
04:55:27,595 --> 04:55:29,975
is that we got a look at all that stuff

4561
04:55:29,975 --> 04:55:33,495
and make it a great place and the

4562
04:55:33,495 --> 04:55:35,775
I I look forward to doing this type of planning

4563
04:55:35,875 --> 04:55:39,685
and ... and I enjoyed all the comments and ...

4564
04:55:40,045 --> 04:55:43,655
I had a meeting a couple weeks ago Mister chair

4565
04:55:43,655 --> 04:55:48,485
with the Eileen ratepayers under zoom gonna Friday night and

4566
04:55:48,515 --> 04:55:51,265
they're they're they seem to be located in the like

4567
04:55:51,265 --> 04:55:53,985
to do this but the planning act I think the

4568
04:55:53,985 --> 04:55:56,985
faster we can get on the list the greater and

4569
04:55:56,985 --> 04:55:59,205
and and the drop in the thing that I put

4570
04:55:59,205 --> 04:56:02,765
in the other day I think staff misinterpreted my circles

4571
04:56:02,765 --> 04:56:06,635
wasn't my intent wasn't necessary to a secondary band my

4572
04:56:06,635 --> 04:56:09,385
circles was how far do I go out with a

4573
04:56:09,385 --> 04:56:12,525
times vehicles okay do I go five hundred meters and

4574
04:56:12,525 --> 04:56:15,335
try to get you in the regular thousand meters by

4575
04:56:15,335 --> 04:56:17,045
go two thousand I'm on the other side of the

4576
04:56:17,045 --> 04:56:19,245
ball seven I don't want to do that but anyways

4577
04:56:19,615 --> 04:56:23,855
... I will enjoy the evening and there's a lot

4578
04:56:23,855 --> 04:56:26,585
of challenges here but I think we have a great

4579
04:56:26,585 --> 04:56:29,305
opportunity to have a great stuff and great job so

4580
04:56:29,305 --> 04:56:32,655
I look forward to working on that

4581
04:56:32,655 --> 04:56:38,875
okay thank you next up is councillor cheese

4582
04:56:38,875 --> 04:56:41,285
yes thank you Mr chairman I know what it it

4583
04:56:41,285 --> 04:56:43,705
has been a long evening so I'll keep my remarks

4584
04:56:43,705 --> 04:56:45,525
brief and I just wanna touch on something that the

4585
04:56:45,525 --> 04:56:49,185
regional council Jones just said I think it's important

4586
04:56:49,185 --> 04:56:52,605
for us to all keep in mind and that is

4587
04:56:52,685 --> 04:56:55,815
... I do have I do have confidence and faith

4588
04:56:55,815 --> 04:56:58,765
in in ... in ... the city of Markham in

4589
04:56:58,765 --> 04:57:00,705
the staff of the City of mark when we look

4590
04:57:00,705 --> 04:57:04,425
at growth and growth is one of the greatest challenges

4591
04:57:04,425 --> 04:57:06,565
I think we all have here Oct council in terms

4592
04:57:06,565 --> 04:57:09,395
of how we manage it where we put it and

4593
04:57:09,435 --> 04:57:11,525
and many of the concerns that we heard this evening

4594
04:57:11,525 --> 04:57:17,515
we're related to ... capacity will the capacity of recreation

4595
04:57:17,515 --> 04:57:23,915
facilities the libraries at Setra be maintained as growth happens

4596
04:57:24,635 --> 04:57:26,795
I do want to say that I am confident that

4597
04:57:26,955 --> 04:57:29,385
that that's a process that I think we do we're

4598
04:57:29,385 --> 04:57:32,015
we're we're doing our best at and I think that

4599
04:57:32,115 --> 04:57:35,095
... the growth that is inevitably going to be coming

4600
04:57:35,095 --> 04:57:40,295
across the city and including Thornhill to certain degree will

4601
04:57:40,295 --> 04:57:44,795
support that ... infrastructure and I think councillor are regional

4602
04:57:44,795 --> 04:57:47,795
cancer Jones was just touching on that terms of

4603
04:57:47,795 --> 04:57:49,735
of of how we planned it where we put it

4604
04:57:49,735 --> 04:57:51,995
and and I think this is one of the sites

4605
04:57:53,095 --> 04:57:56,095
that that is very unique in in that again the

4606
04:57:56,095 --> 04:58:01,085
natural heritage the be ... ... the the historical heritage

4607
04:58:01,745 --> 04:58:04,085
and and I have to say that even though it's

4608
04:58:04,085 --> 04:58:06,345
it's quite far from my ward when I when I

4609
04:58:06,345 --> 04:58:08,725
initially saw the drawings and I saw the plans I

4610
04:58:08,725 --> 04:58:11,635
thought that the ...

4611
04:58:11,635 --> 04:58:16,485
the treatment of the site was fairly respectful of of

4612
04:58:16,485 --> 04:58:17,755
...

4613
04:58:17,755 --> 04:58:20,335
until of the land if you will and and again

4614
04:58:20,335 --> 04:58:22,855
I know that we talk about shuttle studies somewhat there

4615
04:58:22,885 --> 04:58:24,965
there are gonna be shadowing issues I think we got

4616
04:58:24,965 --> 04:58:27,645
a lot of work to do no question about height

4617
04:58:27,645 --> 04:58:31,355
... and specifics but ... generally I I think ...

4618
04:58:31,385 --> 04:58:33,415
my my position and I deal with this as well

4619
04:58:33,415 --> 04:58:36,875
in my ward is ... as a council we do

4620
04:58:36,875 --> 04:58:41,085
have to figure out how we manage growth and ...

4621
04:58:41,565 --> 04:58:45,715
maintain the services and and infrastructure and and certainly ...

4622
04:58:46,055 --> 04:58:48,995
ensure that the residences that are existing are are are

4623
04:58:48,995 --> 04:58:50,545
well taken care of so I just want to leave

4624
04:58:50,545 --> 04:58:53,235
it I'll leave it at that say that ... we

4625
04:58:53,235 --> 04:58:55,725
got a ways to go on this on this proposal

4626
04:58:55,725 --> 04:58:58,295
but ... I am grateful for hearing from from the

4627
04:58:58,295 --> 04:59:01,195
public today and certainly look forward to seeing this thing

4628
04:59:01,195 --> 04:59:03,985
up through thanks very much

4629
04:59:03,985 --> 04:59:06,715
all right thank you cancer keys

4630
04:59:06,715 --> 04:59:09,995
no one else on the list

4631
04:59:09,995 --> 04:59:11,985
so we do have a motion on the floor moved

4632
04:59:11,985 --> 04:59:15,935
by the Mayor seconded by regional council he

4633
04:59:15,935 --> 04:59:18,685
all in favor Mr chairman are you gonna make any

4634
04:59:18,685 --> 04:59:22,925
comments is the local councillor

4635
04:59:22,925 --> 04:59:26,805
before we vote or no no okay

4636
04:59:26,805 --> 04:59:28,495
no

4637
04:59:28,495 --> 04:59:32,345
nope the community the community knows where I stand

4638
04:59:32,345 --> 04:59:33,765
those

4639
04:59:33,765 --> 04:59:38,425
does does that have reached out to their local councillor

4640
04:59:38,745 --> 04:59:41,925
those that have wanted to meet with their local councillor

4641
04:59:42,405 --> 04:59:46,535
those community groups and there are several and we've heard

4642
04:59:46,535 --> 04:59:48,665
from many of them tonight not all that we heard

4643
04:59:48,665 --> 04:59:53,625
from tonight but many know my position

4644
04:59:53,625 --> 04:59:57,665
so you would you show courtesy towards the local councillor

4645
04:59:57,725 --> 05:00:00,285
and invite him and asked for his views and have

4646
05:00:00,285 --> 05:00:04,475
a robust discussion it's amazing what you're learn

4647
05:00:04,475 --> 05:00:08,875
so the people who know know

4648
05:00:08,875 --> 05:00:14,115
all in favor

4649
05:00:14,115 --> 05:00:17,375
a post

4650
05:00:17,375 --> 05:00:19,205
one of post

4651
05:00:19,205 --> 05:00:20,565
okay

4652
05:00:20,565 --> 05:00:24,915
moved to adjourn moved to adjourn moved by regional councillor

4653
05:00:24,915 --> 05:00:31,925
Jones seconded by the Deputy Mayor all in favor

4654
05:00:31,925 --> 05:00:35,415
opposed that scared thank you and good night everyone one

4655
05:00:35,415 --> 05:00:45,415
nine