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many people here, but, um,

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I hope that people,

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um, more people

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will come or

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come in via Zoom. I

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was hoping,

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but, um, the agenda for the

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meeting is that

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we, um,

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talk a little bit about

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our intentions when we

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started this project

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two years ago and what

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we were trying to

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accomplish with it, and then

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hear, um, would any

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of you like a

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hard copy to

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review,

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um, and could you

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even chair

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this meeting? You

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probably remember that

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they, um, are the headlines

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and subheadings, and we are

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required by

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law to, um,

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review them to

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get, um,

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questions and

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comments on all of

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them.

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Of course. But the first thing to

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is simple, and I

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invite my, um,

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fellow commissioners

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to join in on this,

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which is to say why

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we started and what the purpose of

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rewriting the

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territorial

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distribution rules is, um. Um, from

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my perspective, when

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we first

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looked at the

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old document, we

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found it

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full of

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legalese and copies from

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other cities, where it was

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, um, inappropriate, didn't

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meet

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Marro's needs, and, um, it

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was also inconvenient in

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terms of, um,

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the wording of the process

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that applicants had to go through

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. So we

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really wanted to

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clarify this process.

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get rid of

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as much

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legal

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nonsense as possible, hmm, but

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at the same time, hmm, make

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it

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enforceable.

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um, one of the things

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that, um, we did was

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ask for

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help with this

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task. And the first

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person to

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ask for, um,

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help was the city

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attorney, um, Bob Fisher.

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goal for us

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to make it as clear as possible

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for non-

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hmm, specialists, and

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as simple as possible for

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people who

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might want to divide

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their land. Hmm, then

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when we were finishing,

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he reviewed and made

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suggestions, hmm, some

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of which we included in the

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document. Another

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person who was

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very helpful to us was a

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staff member from the

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Windham Regional Commission, um,

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whose name is,

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um,

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or you're talking about,

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um, um, Matt

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um, Bachler, um, oh yeah,

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um, and Matt um, Bachler,

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or Bachler, I'm not

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sure, um, gave us

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very detailed, um,

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suggestions, and we

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incorporated almost all of

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them. Hmm, then we

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sent the document

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back to both of them, and, hmm, they

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said: go for it. You are

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ready to listen.

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tonight is to

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hear from you all, um, and

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clarify any

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things, um, and find

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any things that

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might be

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in error. Hmm, just this

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afternoon while reading this I

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found a confusing

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number that we're

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going to change from

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four to five. Hmm,

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and that's really helpful.

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Hmm, but, um, why don't

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I turn it over to

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you guys to

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fill in what I

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just said about our

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one thing? Although we've

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done a lot of

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work, 90% of it–our

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plan, maybe 95%, there are, uh

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, some of these, uh,

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sections that we

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can't discuss.

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state ordinance.

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Yes. And we do

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n't really have a

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word there, and we'll

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clarify that as you go

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through and

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say it's

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state-owned, and that's where you

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can find this, uh

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, document. Uh, we

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should...Tim Seeger–my

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name is.

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Brian Potter, Will

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Shakespeare,

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Donald Sheriffkin,

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uh, Patti Smith isn't

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here yet. Uh, but

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I hope she, uh,

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joins us.

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did when we, uh,

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this was to set a

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starting point. We

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started, uh, reading

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the original, which

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remains on the

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city's website. If

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any of you want

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city website and look,

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have already done, um, the difference

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between what's

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left from 201 or

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2018, maybe, I don't

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remember when it was

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finally

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approved, but, um,

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large, we

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did change the wording

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, but we didn't

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change the substance that much. We haven't

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changed much in what is

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required of

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applicants. Um, we

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highlighted one

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important change, which is,

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division and large

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division, um, changed a little bit

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from, um, the

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division line was three and

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now it's four.

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lots of this one.

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your, um, if you

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before that, um, you

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divide it into three

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parts, um, um, without

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going through, um, a

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lengthy process with the

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development review board.

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every division

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it's not such a high

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bar, but they all

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go within the framework of DRB.

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line adjustments, um, can

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directly by the

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zoning administrator.

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will, be in the

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document. They

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correct. Um,

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right. So, um,

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we were discussing, um,

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whether to continue

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Marborough's long-standing demand that the

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division, um,

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be determined by a

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land

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survey. And, um,

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although attorney Bob

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Fizer pointed out

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several towns in

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Vermont that, um,

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still allowed, um,

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citizens to subdivide

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their land without a

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land

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survey. We didn't

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think it was wise.

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his advice. Um, we

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believed that having

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mandatory

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legal documents

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for all

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landowners in the city was a

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wise way

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forward.

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Ahem.

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demand that from

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any, um,

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developer

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coming to town.

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require this from

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permanent residents

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when they divide their

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property between their

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families?

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They are all good.

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Um, their own.

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Malcolm knows well,

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he has such a long

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career in surveying. Um

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, it can be an expensive

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procedure, and um, it

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creates a financial

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burden on someone who

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may be dividing their

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land,

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but it's an expensive

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procedure when you

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do it

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wrong and don't

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know. So,

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or it could be

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much more expensive

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if you had your

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property if you were

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later

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sued outside your

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property.

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That's right. And you don't

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think that where

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you think the

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line is,

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Malcolm, give

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evidence. While we're on the

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subject, another

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incentive for a

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city planning commission

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to require a

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survey is the

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presence of virtually

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any requirements,

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such as setbacks,

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boundary setbacks.

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Yes,

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you could say that a

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setback is any

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minimum that the

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state sets. But

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to know what

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the deviation from the limit is,

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you need to know where

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it passes. And

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the people of Lenos are known

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for saying, "Oh, I

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know it's right here,

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so a 50-

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foot setback is perfectly

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acceptable." But they

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keep getting surprised, and the

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city keeps

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getting surprised, and finding

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that there's a violation of their

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setback requirements,

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because they didn't really

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know where that

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setback was coming from.

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It was. Yes,

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that's a good point.

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That's the incentive that

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comes with

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having

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a survey done: you

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determine where the

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boundary runs and then you know

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where to put it,

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and if you put

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your house in the

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wrong place and it

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ends up on the

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wrong side of the

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boundary, what happened. We

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know

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Smith, our

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last

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commissioner. I think that, uh

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, we should also

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point out that one of the

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most important

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elements added to

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this document

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is on

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page six, which is a

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division flowchart,

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which we think will

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greatly clarify and

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make more

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transparent the process that

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everyone will go through

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when they, uh,

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change any

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boundaries, creating a

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minor or major

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division. and this can be a

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good way

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to organize how

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we discuss the

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document as well. Another

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new thing that was

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added is

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that we created the

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ability for people

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to create subdivisions, uh,

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allowing for subdivisions of

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conservation lands

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. Currently, in

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most areas

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designated for

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rural residential

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development, the minimum

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size of any

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lot is

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two acres. When dividing

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lands under

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nature protection, it is possible to

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actually provide the

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same number of

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plots, but they

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may be on

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much smaller

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areas. Uh,

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on page 21. 820,

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that is, uh, we

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got a huge

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help, uh,

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reading the Brattleboro Conservation

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Land Division Rules

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, and we

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adjusted them and

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made them a little, uh,

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more demanding, uh,

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which I misrepresented

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in our

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Q&

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A not

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long ago. Uh, this is, uh,

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the percentage of land that

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needs to be set aside

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to get

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the privilege of smaller

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lots if you're a

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developer. The percentage

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went from

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50 60 to 50 to 60. I think

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Rattleboro was 50, and we

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thought,

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um, we should

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fix that, Patty, you've

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been working on that too

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.

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Yes. Um, um, rest

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assured that

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the developer, um,

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has allocated, um, more than

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half of the, um, land

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that they can, um, there are

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a lot of plots of land

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in Marlboro

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that have either very

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steep slopes or, um,

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areas of wet

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soil or, um,

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habitats for repair

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plants, and that the

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zoning regulations already, um, yes

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,

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prohibit people from, um

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, building in the

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state, prohibit them from

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.

452
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Yes. Yes. Um, but, um,

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so we ask

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readers of the document

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to pay particular

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attention to

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conservation

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units as a new

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opportunity for, um,

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people who may

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want to, um,

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protect some

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part of their land

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as they

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develop other

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parts of their land.

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Um, one thing we

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never figured out was,

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um, how to distinguish, um,

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or whether to distinguish at all

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, um, a

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commercial

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developer of land in

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Marlborough from, um, a

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citizen

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developing land in

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Marlborough. Um, and ultimately

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we thought it was

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unwise to create

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any kind of boundary between... Um,

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we've been asked about this a lot

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in our

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Q&

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A. How, how, how

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can we all be the

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same, but before the

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law? I think, um, it

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seemed

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reasonable to us to at least

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state, um, that the

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same rules

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apply

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whether you're doing a large

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land subdivision, um, a

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00:14:25,292 --> 00:14:26,215
corporate

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developer, or a

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local person who's

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subdividing their land, um,

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and trying to make

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money off of it.

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So, um, these rules are

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the same. They are

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00:14:40,478 --> 00:14:42,375
no different. Um,

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00:14:42,375 --> 00:14:43,656
although we were pressured about

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this, we

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00:14:44,707 --> 00:14:45,594
decided not to

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change it. Comments

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00:14:48,346 --> 00:14:49,157
on this matter

509
00:14:49,157 --> 00:14:50,080
will be welcome at the

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appropriate time. But

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, um, um, that's generally what you

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should pay

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attention to in this

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document. And now, as

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I recently learned,

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we have to, um,

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because we warned, um,

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segment-wise viewing. We should

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probably start

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this now.

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Good. Um, and maybe the

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first thing we could

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do is, um, take

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turns discussing this,

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um, specifically, um, I'll

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start with the first article

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, the first one breaks down

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division into two

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categories: division and

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boundary adjustment. Um, and

531
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that's a matter of

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definition. Um, these are

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state laws, um, which,

534
00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:47,920
um, give us

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the authority, um,

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to write these rules

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at all. Um, according to

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101,

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um, the goal is something

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we've been working hard on,

541
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um, to make a list,

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and it's a long list of

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things that we

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hope, um, these

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00:16:08,087 --> 00:16:09,592
rules will help,

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um, if not, um, 100%,

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00:16:18,727 --> 00:16:20,011
then definitely guide

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people towards, um,

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00:16:20,855 --> 00:16:21,920
responsible

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00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,204
behavior around, um,

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00:16:23,204 --> 00:16:24,195
renewable

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00:16:24,195 --> 00:16:26,324
energy,

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00:16:26,361 --> 00:16:27,388
farmland, drainage,

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natural resources

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and forest fragmentation,

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um, and um,

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income sensitivity. These are, um, the

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main ones

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00:16:38,608 --> 00:16:42,098
listed here. And we

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want the readers of

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this document

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00:16:44,308 --> 00:16:45,551
to understand that the city

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values ​​all of these things. Um,

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00:16:49,568 --> 00:16:50,335
that, and then it

565
00:16:50,335 --> 00:16:51,637
explains how it

566
00:16:51,637 --> 00:16:57,503
will be taken further.

567
00:16:57,503 --> 00:16:58,981
Um, the election commission,

568
00:16:58,981 --> 00:17:00,339
um, is planning, uh, or has

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already, uh, postponed the

570
00:17:01,698 --> 00:17:02,777
date of another

571
00:17:02,777 --> 00:17:04,255
hearing similar

572
00:17:04,255 --> 00:17:11,214
to this one. Um, and, uh,

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00:17:11,214 --> 00:17:12,462
if any of these

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00:17:12,462 --> 00:17:13,496
proposed

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00:17:13,496 --> 00:17:14,209
rules or

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00:17:14,209 --> 00:17:15,385
application, uh,

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00:17:15,385 --> 00:17:16,241
are held

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00:17:16,241 --> 00:17:16,954
invalid, the

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00:17:16,954 --> 00:17:17,952
invalidity will not

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00:17:17,952 --> 00:17:18,914
affect

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00:17:18,914 --> 00:17:19,948
or

582
00:17:19,948 --> 00:17:23,859
nullify the other provisions. So if

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00:17:23,859 --> 00:17:25,275
the lawyers, uh, discover

584
00:17:25,275 --> 00:17:26,021
something that we've

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00:17:26,021 --> 00:17:27,437
exceeded, the rest of the

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document will still be

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valid.

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00:17:31,361 --> 00:17:32,560
So, uh, article

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two, someone else, I

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00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,960
get a horse.

591
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Do we want to open

592
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each section to...

593
00:17:40,377 --> 00:17:41,541
Oh, yes, of course,

594
00:17:41,541 --> 00:17:42,959
the question is about section

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00:17:42,959 --> 00:17:43,387
one,

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00:17:43,387 --> 00:17:44,567
and then walk through

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00:17:44,567 --> 00:17:46,097
it. Is

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00:17:46,097 --> 00:17:47,175
anyone, uh,

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00:17:47,175 --> 00:17:50,164
getting on Zoom yet? No, one is on Zoom.

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Good. Uh, so, uh,

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okay, no

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comment on

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00:17:53,742 --> 00:17:58,848
that. So, the

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00:17:58,884 --> 00:17:59,541
application and

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00:17:59,541 --> 00:18:00,671
approval procedures, this is

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exactly what

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00:18:01,837 --> 00:18:03,259
our flowchart is on

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, uh, the

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first, uh, page

610
00:18:05,957 --> 00:18:10,878
six,

611
00:18:10,878 --> 00:18:12,034
but we were required

612
00:18:12,034 --> 00:18:13,255
by law to do it

613
00:18:13,255 --> 00:18:14,347
both graphically in the

614
00:18:14,347 --> 00:18:15,632
flowchart and to do it

615
00:18:15,632 --> 00:18:17,715
verbally. So there is redundancy in this

616
00:18:17,715 --> 00:18:18,397
segment

617
00:18:18,397 --> 00:18:20,508
. Er,

618
00:18:20,508 --> 00:18:21,929
oral, er, definition of

619
00:18:21,929 --> 00:18:22,752
major and

620
00:18:22,752 --> 00:18:23,612
minor

621
00:18:23,612 --> 00:18:26,621
divisions. Um, and I'll

622
00:18:26,621 --> 00:18:28,181
repeat that

623
00:18:28,181 --> 00:18:35,713
we used to have three, um, but

624
00:18:35,713 --> 00:18:37,014
now it's four for the

625
00:18:37,014 --> 00:18:40,610
mind to

626
00:18:40,610 --> 00:18:41,983
divide

627
00:18:41,983 --> 00:18:45,183
its land as much as possible. Now,

628
00:18:45,183 --> 00:18:46,505
during the question and

629
00:18:46,505 --> 00:18:47,689
answer session that we

630
00:18:47,689 --> 00:18:48,837
had, um, some

631
00:18:48,837 --> 00:18:50,160
people were questioning whether the

632
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,343
initial plot

633
00:18:51,343 --> 00:18:52,735
counts as one,

634
00:18:52,735 --> 00:18:53,814
or whether you could have three

635
00:18:53,814 --> 00:18:55,136
more than one, but

636
00:18:55,136 --> 00:18:56,320
that didn't make any sense at all

637
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,642
, because one isn't

638
00:18:57,642 --> 00:19:00,494
one anymore. It's minus three

639
00:19:00,494 --> 00:19:02,089
parts or something.

640
00:19:02,089 --> 00:19:03,198
So, um,

641
00:19:03,198 --> 00:19:04,529
we didn't change it, even though

642
00:19:04,529 --> 00:19:05,694
some people asked

643
00:19:05,694 --> 00:19:06,997
us to. Can I

644
00:19:06,997 --> 00:19:08,172
put it like that?

645
00:19:08,172 --> 00:19:09,389
Yes, continue.

646
00:19:09,389 --> 00:19:10,708
Question. Um, do

647
00:19:10,708 --> 00:19:12,022
I understand correctly,

648
00:19:12,022 --> 00:19:13,336
then the division into four

649
00:19:13,336 --> 00:19:14,339
plots is if

650
00:19:14,339 --> 00:19:15,583
a person, if a person

651
00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:16,690
owns a plot of

652
00:19:16,690 --> 00:19:17,935
land and sells three

653
00:19:17,935 --> 00:19:19,706
plots, that's four,

654
00:19:19,706 --> 00:19:20,119
right?

655
00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:21,143
Is that correct?

656
00:19:21,143 --> 00:19:21,545
Yes.

657
00:19:21,545 --> 00:19:22,270
Right.

658
00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:23,457
Yes. Because the new

659
00:19:23,457 --> 00:19:24,752
plot, even if

660
00:19:24,752 --> 00:19:26,116
they don't sell it, is a

661
00:19:26,116 --> 00:19:27,105
newly defined

662
00:19:27,105 --> 00:19:28,651
segment of the farm. I

663
00:19:28,651 --> 00:19:30,011
think it may be up to the

664
00:19:30,011 --> 00:19:30,962
state, but it is

665
00:19:30,962 --> 00:19:32,118
certainly within our

666
00:19:32,118 --> 00:19:33,002
rights that it

667
00:19:33,002 --> 00:19:34,021
states that you

668
00:19:34,021 --> 00:19:35,177
count the number of

669
00:19:35,177 --> 00:19:36,740
lots that result from the

670
00:19:37,554 --> 00:19:38,191
subdivision.

671
00:19:38,191 --> 00:19:39,255
Or in other words,

672
00:19:39,255 --> 00:19:40,348
if a person owns a

673
00:19:40,348 --> 00:19:41,412
plot of land

674
00:19:41,412 --> 00:19:42,210
and sells one

675
00:19:42,210 --> 00:19:43,038
plot, it is two

676
00:19:43,038 --> 00:19:43,582
plots.

677
00:19:43,582 --> 00:19:44,875
These are two sections,

678
00:19:44,875 --> 00:19:45,954
because now there are two of them,

679
00:19:45,954 --> 00:19:46,633
and that's

680
00:19:46,633 --> 00:19:48,100
common sense. And yet

681
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:48,912
I wanted to...

682
00:19:48,912 --> 00:19:49,312
Yes.

683
00:19:49,312 --> 00:19:50,318
But you need to

684
00:19:50,318 --> 00:19:51,421
make that clear in the

685
00:19:51,421 --> 00:19:53,083
book. This is very

686
00:19:53,083 --> 00:19:54,638
relevant to families who

687
00:19:54,638 --> 00:19:59,110
, ahem, settle their

688
00:19:59,110 --> 00:20:00,203
grandchildren or children on the

689
00:20:00,203 --> 00:20:01,458
same initial

690
00:20:01,458 --> 00:20:02,391
plot in other

691
00:20:02,391 --> 00:20:04,622
places. And this, obviously

692
00:20:04,622 --> 00:20:05,999
, MacArthur is a good

693
00:20:05,999 --> 00:20:07,180
example.

694
00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:08,435
I mean, there are

695
00:20:08,435 --> 00:20:09,367
some family

696
00:20:09,367 --> 00:20:10,192
plots that have

697
00:20:10,192 --> 00:20:10,873
organically

698
00:20:10,873 --> 00:20:11,877
developed throughout the

699
00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:13,685
city. There are

700
00:20:13,685 --> 00:20:15,136
several of these on our

701
00:20:15,136 --> 00:20:17,935
site. There's, um,

702
00:20:17,935 --> 00:20:19,309
MacArthur Road, various

703
00:20:19,309 --> 00:20:20,502
places where the land

704
00:20:20,502 --> 00:20:21,912
was de facto divided

705
00:20:21,912 --> 00:20:23,177
long before

706
00:20:23,177 --> 00:20:24,515
it was

707
00:20:24,515 --> 00:20:25,744
legally divided, and, um, um,

708
00:20:25,744 --> 00:20:27,154
so we understand that

709
00:20:27,154 --> 00:20:28,528
this is a tradition that we

710
00:20:28,528 --> 00:20:29,865
can't really

711
00:20:29,865 --> 00:20:31,167
interfere with, um, and we don't

712
00:20:31,167 --> 00:20:36,536
want to.

713
00:20:36,536 --> 00:20:38,009
So, but, um, eventually,

714
00:20:38,009 --> 00:20:38,968
those people who

715
00:20:38,968 --> 00:20:39,999
have occupied the various

716
00:20:39,999 --> 00:20:41,363
homes are going to have to

717
00:20:41,363 --> 00:20:42,505
face the, um,

718
00:20:42,505 --> 00:20:43,316
legality,

719
00:20:43,316 --> 00:20:44,790
illegality of what

720
00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:45,711
they're, and, and, and, and

721
00:20:45,711 --> 00:20:46,743
fix it, and

722
00:20:46,743 --> 00:20:47,812
local families

723
00:20:47,812 --> 00:20:49,138
recently had to

724
00:20:49,138 --> 00:20:52,703
fix it. Come on

725
00:20:52,703 --> 00:20:54,567
, mayor. I just think there's a

726
00:20:54,567 --> 00:20:56,066
plot here that

727
00:20:56,066 --> 00:20:57,603
I and I don't...I don't know how to

728
00:20:57,603 --> 00:20:58,786
clarify this, but

729
00:20:58,786 --> 00:21:04,232
the definition of large...

730
00:21:04,232 --> 00:21:05,283
if you

731
00:21:05,283 --> 00:21:06,195
mean existing

732
00:21:06,195 --> 00:21:07,386
plots of land that have

733
00:21:07,386 --> 00:21:08,788
already been divided into

734
00:21:08,788 --> 00:21:09,769
large families into

735
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:10,855
plots one above the

736
00:21:10,855 --> 00:21:15,687
other. So now, if

737
00:21:15,687 --> 00:21:16,698
you have people

738
00:21:16,698 --> 00:21:17,641
subdividing existing

739
00:21:17,641 --> 00:21:19,966
parcels and you end up with

740
00:21:19,999 --> 00:21:21,010
more...I

741
00:21:21,010 --> 00:21:22,324
mean, do they, given the

742
00:21:22,324 --> 00:21:23,638
way they tax it

743
00:21:23,638 --> 00:21:24,986
, consider it all

744
00:21:24,986 --> 00:21:25,862
one big

745
00:21:25,862 --> 00:21:27,041
piece of land...But

746
00:21:27,041 --> 00:21:28,287
if it's

747
00:21:28,287 --> 00:21:29,366
on...if it has

748
00:21:29,366 --> 00:21:30,545
its own

749
00:21:30,545 --> 00:21:37,110
parcel number, does that allow you to

750
00:21:37,143 --> 00:21:38,414
essentially subdivide each

751
00:21:38,414 --> 00:21:39,066
parcel into the

752
00:21:39,066 --> 00:21:41,031
maximum since ancient times? I just

753
00:21:41,031 --> 00:21:42,233
think it's

754
00:21:42,233 --> 00:21:43,372
a bit of a vague

755
00:21:43,372 --> 00:21:44,227
Bay Area for me, and

756
00:21:44,227 --> 00:21:45,239
maybe something for

757
00:21:45,239 --> 00:21:46,384
someone who is who...

758
00:21:46,384 --> 00:21:47,376
yeah, more closely

759
00:21:47,376 --> 00:21:48,232
follows

760
00:21:48,232 --> 00:21:49,122
zoning

761
00:21:49,122 --> 00:21:50,065
for further

762
00:21:50,065 --> 00:21:52,317
development. We

763
00:21:52,317 --> 00:21:53,559
understand that this and

764
00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:54,588
other issues are not

765
00:21:54,588 --> 00:21:57,389
entirely resolved

766
00:21:57,389 --> 00:21:58,587
by this document, but

767
00:21:58,587 --> 00:21:59,686
we believe it is

768
00:21:59,686 --> 00:22:00,419
such a big

769
00:22:00,419 --> 00:22:01,717
improvement that I am saying

770
00:22:01,717 --> 00:22:02,716
it for the record at

771
00:22:02,716 --> 00:22:04,155
this point. I know

772
00:22:04,155 --> 00:22:05,252
you understand,

773
00:22:05,252 --> 00:22:06,031
and I say this for the

774
00:22:06,031 --> 00:22:07,156
record because I think

775
00:22:07,156 --> 00:22:08,137
this is an issue that will

776
00:22:08,137 --> 00:22:08,598
probably

777
00:22:08,598 --> 00:22:09,377
need to be

778
00:22:09,377 --> 00:22:10,387
addressed at some

779
00:22:10,387 --> 00:22:12,980
point, and it's

780
00:22:13,618 --> 00:22:14,896
unclear enough

781
00:22:14,896 --> 00:22:16,832
not to be. I mean,

782
00:22:16,832 --> 00:22:18,170
I was just

783
00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:21,635
asking, isn't there a title deed for

784
00:22:21,635 --> 00:22:23,679
every lot sold

785
00:22:23,712 --> 00:22:25,030
that

786
00:22:25,030 --> 00:22:26,250
also goes to the

787
00:22:26,250 --> 00:22:27,272
city if, with their

788
00:22:27,272 --> 00:22:32,127
approval, the

789
00:22:32,127 --> 00:22:33,577
state requires a

790
00:22:33,610 --> 00:22:36,139
land development.

791
00:22:36,139 --> 00:22:36,541
Yes.

792
00:22:36,541 --> 00:22:37,929
Registered. This does not

793
00:22:37,929 --> 00:22:39,160
require registration

794
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,082
of the title deed

795
00:22:40,082 --> 00:22:41,379
. I believe

796
00:22:41,379 --> 00:22:42,537
we are in

797
00:22:42,537 --> 00:22:43,728
this new

798
00:22:43,728 --> 00:22:44,919
subdivision procedure that requires the

799
00:22:44,919 --> 00:22:45,949
title deed to

800
00:22:45,949 --> 00:22:46,786
be

801
00:22:46,786 --> 00:22:48,041
registered before

802
00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:48,492
it is

803
00:22:48,492 --> 00:22:49,361
considered a

804
00:22:49,361 --> 00:22:50,690
separate parcel.

805
00:22:50,690 --> 00:22:51,624
For example, it

806
00:22:51,624 --> 00:22:52,640
cannot be built on

807
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,712
until the legal title deed is

808
00:22:53,712 --> 00:22:55,333
registered

809
00:22:55,361 --> 00:22:56,267
with the

810
00:22:56,267 --> 00:22:56,680
city

811
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,696
administration, because that is

812
00:22:57,696 --> 00:22:58,273
where

813
00:22:58,273 --> 00:23:00,286
taxes are paid.

814
00:23:00,286 --> 00:23:01,154
based on the

815
00:23:01,154 --> 00:23:02,045
title deed, not

816
00:23:02,045 --> 00:23:02,548
on the

817
00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:03,494
land registry.

818
00:23:03,494 --> 00:23:04,275
Yes. Yes.

819
00:23:04,275 --> 00:23:05,580
So, uh, that's a

820
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:06,566
distinction that I

821
00:23:06,566 --> 00:23:07,578
think you've added,

822
00:23:07,578 --> 00:23:08,618
and I think it's important that the

823
00:23:08,618 --> 00:23:09,471
title deed

824
00:23:09,471 --> 00:23:10,270
also be

825
00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:11,177
consistent with the new

826
00:23:11,177 --> 00:23:12,163
land use planning

827
00:23:12,163 --> 00:23:13,016
and accompany

828
00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:14,472
it. Well, the challenges

829
00:23:14,472 --> 00:23:20,945
for the

830
00:23:20,978 --> 00:23:22,300
zoning administrator position in the near

831
00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:23,522
future will include,

832
00:23:23,522 --> 00:23:31,777
ahem, insisting that

833
00:23:31,777 --> 00:23:33,102
, ahem, the

834
00:23:33,102 --> 00:23:34,427
subdivision process, ahem, includes

835
00:23:34,427 --> 00:23:35,790
filing a survey

836
00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:47,242
and a deed of ownership. hmm, this is about

837
00:23:47,274 --> 00:23:48,164
building permits and

838
00:23:48,164 --> 00:23:50,018
starting construction.

839
00:23:50,018 --> 00:23:51,351
In fact, it says here

840
00:23:51,351 --> 00:23:52,514
that, um, you have to

841
00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:53,883
complete this process

842
00:23:53,883 --> 00:23:54,943
before you can

843
00:23:54,943 --> 00:23:55,593
start

844
00:23:55,593 --> 00:23:57,230
building. And there's a time in

845
00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:58,550
state regulations where there

846
00:23:58,550 --> 00:23:59,869
's a limit on how

847
00:23:59,869 --> 00:24:00,876
long you can

848
00:24:00,876 --> 00:24:01,918
wait before a

849
00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:04,691
survey is

850
00:24:04,691 --> 00:24:06,303
registered, and that,

851
00:24:06,303 --> 00:24:06,621
well,

852
00:24:06,621 --> 00:24:07,808
we've emphasized where

853
00:24:07,808 --> 00:24:09,028
possible, on this

854
00:24:09,028 --> 00:24:12,095
survey, we

855
00:24:12,095 --> 00:24:13,249
say this many

856
00:24:13,249 --> 00:24:14,272
times, because if you're

857
00:24:14,272 --> 00:24:15,525
going to subdivide

858
00:24:15,525 --> 00:24:16,382
your land, you

859
00:24:16,382 --> 00:24:17,372
should

860
00:24:17,372 --> 00:24:18,229
start looking for a

861
00:24:18,229 --> 00:24:19,515
surveyor immediately and get

862
00:24:19,515 --> 00:24:21,307
that part done properly,

863
00:24:21,307 --> 00:24:22,811
and then you figure out,

864
00:24:22,811 --> 00:24:27,892
um, what the implications are.

865
00:24:27,892 --> 00:24:28,711
Uh, there are some

866
00:24:28,711 --> 00:24:30,076
deviations, um, from

867
00:24:30,076 --> 00:24:31,597
this process, which, um

868
00:24:31,597 --> 00:24:32,533
, in circumstances of

869
00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:34,054
undue hardship,

870
00:24:34,054 --> 00:24:35,575
practical difficulties

871
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:43,447
, um, there are, and the determination of

872
00:24:43,447 --> 00:24:44,727
special circumstances

873
00:24:44,727 --> 00:24:45,972
for a particular, um,

874
00:24:45,972 --> 00:24:50,997
piece of land. Hmm,

875
00:24:50,997 --> 00:24:52,378
maybe there will be a request

876
00:24:52,378 --> 00:24:53,683
to, uh, repeal

877
00:24:53,683 --> 00:25:03,606
some of the definitions.

878
00:25:03,606 --> 00:25:04,830
So, and actually

879
00:25:04,830 --> 00:25:06,208
some of the fees, uh, there's a

880
00:25:06,208 --> 00:25:07,548
separate document in

881
00:25:07,548 --> 00:25:08,926
the city office

882
00:25:08,926 --> 00:25:10,418
regarding the fee for the division, uh

883
00:25:10,418 --> 00:25:11,911
, forgot her name, which

884
00:25:11,911 --> 00:25:19,143
was

885
00:25:19,143 --> 00:25:20,129
Rebecca briefly.

886
00:25:20,129 --> 00:25:22,054
Rebecca, thank you. Uh,

887
00:25:22,054 --> 00:25:23,379
Jessica, you're talking

888
00:25:23,379 --> 00:25:25,064
about Jessica.

889
00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:26,538
thank you. Jessica,

890
00:25:26,538 --> 00:25:27,520
you're not talking about

891
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,034
Rebecca. This is the treasurer.

892
00:25:29,034 --> 00:25:29,941
You're talking about

893
00:25:29,941 --> 00:25:31,447
Jessica.

894
00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:32,759
made a new

895
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:33,823
fee table, and we didn't

896
00:25:33,823 --> 00:25:34,764
change it. We

897
00:25:34,764 --> 00:25:35,832
believe it is

898
00:25:35,832 --> 00:25:36,700
fair.

899
00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:37,903
Uh,

900
00:25:37,903 --> 00:25:39,198
it hasn't been changed in

901
00:25:39,198 --> 00:25:41,527
about 18 years.

902
00:25:41,527 --> 00:25:45,709
Yes. Uh, another

903
00:25:45,709 --> 00:25:46,585
difference in the

904
00:25:46,585 --> 00:25:47,426
previous

905
00:25:47,426 --> 00:25:48,739
document was that it

906
00:25:48,739 --> 00:25:49,950
seemed like

907
00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:50,691
the applicant was

908
00:25:50,691 --> 00:25:51,768
required to, uh,

909
00:25:51,768 --> 00:25:52,778
notify all

910
00:25:52,778 --> 00:25:54,091
residents that they were

911
00:25:54,091 --> 00:25:59,131
doing this. In fact, this is

912
00:25:59,131 --> 00:26:01,715
not true. The city

913
00:26:01,715 --> 00:26:02,762
is obligated to, uh,

914
00:26:02,762 --> 00:26:03,740
inform and

915
00:26:03,740 --> 00:26:04,997
hold hearings

916
00:26:04,997 --> 00:26:06,288
for residents that this is

917
00:26:06,288 --> 00:26:07,371
happening, that the

918
00:26:07,371 --> 00:26:10,766
division is underway. So, uh

919
00:26:10,766 --> 00:26:12,096
, we fixed that

920
00:26:12,096 --> 00:26:12,784
mistake.

921
00:26:12,784 --> 00:26:14,504
Well, that's not a mistake. That's how it

922
00:26:14,504 --> 00:26:16,146
was. It was true.

923
00:26:16,146 --> 00:26:17,425
It seemed that this was not the

924
00:26:17,425 --> 00:26:18,940
case. That was the rule.

925
00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:19,827
But yeah, but that's

926
00:26:19,827 --> 00:26:20,945
crazy because people

927
00:26:20,945 --> 00:26:23,190
don't do that. So,

928
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:25,688
uh,

929
00:26:25,688 --> 00:26:27,051
we should also

930
00:26:27,051 --> 00:26:28,239
mention, uh,

931
00:26:28,239 --> 00:26:29,690
coordination, a very

932
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:31,406
important, uh, letter D,

933
00:26:31,406 --> 00:26:37,669
uh, just above the

934
00:26:37,701 --> 00:26:38,384
waiver authority, is

935
00:26:38,384 --> 00:26:40,206
coordination with the

936
00:26:40,238 --> 00:26:42,582
zoning administrator. So the first

937
00:26:42,582 --> 00:26:43,678
step

938
00:26:43,678 --> 00:26:46,874
any applicant takes is to

939
00:26:46,874 --> 00:26:48,462
meet with the

940
00:26:48,496 --> 00:26:50,940
zoning administrator. And the

941
00:26:50,972 --> 00:26:52,214
zoning administrator is a key

942
00:26:52,214 --> 00:26:53,487
person in this whole

943
00:26:53,487 --> 00:26:54,666
process because he

944
00:26:54,666 --> 00:26:55,366
can provide

945
00:26:55,366 --> 00:26:56,449
recommendations to

946
00:26:56,449 --> 00:26:57,531
anyone who proposes

947
00:26:57,531 --> 00:27:00,555
any kind of subdivision.

948
00:27:00,555 --> 00:27:01,780
And this is the point where

949
00:27:01,780 --> 00:27:03,071
they can see

950
00:27:03,071 --> 00:27:04,167
if there are any immediate

951
00:27:04,167 --> 00:27:05,393
problems that might

952
00:27:05,393 --> 00:27:06,554
arise from what

953
00:27:06,554 --> 00:27:10,247
they are proposing. And the

954
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:11,463
zoning administrator can

955
00:27:11,463 --> 00:27:12,583
lay out

956
00:27:12,583 --> 00:27:14,909
the steps for them very clearly. So, this is a

957
00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:15,865
really important

958
00:27:15,865 --> 00:27:17,012
position in the city, and we

959
00:27:17,012 --> 00:27:18,893
hope to have a

960
00:27:18,925 --> 00:27:21,092
solid

961
00:27:21,124 --> 00:27:27,843
zoning administrator appointed this year. Hmm, hmm, a

962
00:27:27,843 --> 00:27:29,081
huge thank you and

963
00:27:29,081 --> 00:27:30,214
respect to Jennifer

964
00:27:30,214 --> 00:27:31,134
Jara, who, hmm,

965
00:27:31,134 --> 00:27:32,266
translated a significant

966
00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:33,646
portion of our work

967
00:27:33,646 --> 00:27:34,637
into a flowchart and

968
00:27:34,637 --> 00:27:35,345
made it

969
00:27:35,345 --> 00:27:36,654
understandable for all

970
00:27:36,654 --> 00:27:42,649
applicants. Hmm, so the

971
00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:43,994
previous meeting on

972
00:27:43,994 --> 00:27:46,477
page seven is what

973
00:27:46,511 --> 00:27:51,379
Donald was just referring to. Uh,

974
00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:52,571
and then oral statements

975
00:27:52,571 --> 00:27:53,307
about the process,

976
00:27:53,307 --> 00:27:54,429
notices of

977
00:27:54,429 --> 00:27:55,761
exceptions, I already wrote about that

978
00:27:55,761 --> 00:28:13,380
. Hmm, applicants for

979
00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:14,672
minor subdivisions without

980
00:28:14,672 --> 00:28:15,633
proposed

981
00:28:15,633 --> 00:28:16,925
improvements, ahem, may

982
00:28:16,925 --> 00:28:22,185
skip the process.

983
00:28:22,185 --> 00:28:23,708
Public hearings,

984
00:28:23,708 --> 00:28:25,153
phasing, DRB can

985
00:28:25,153 --> 00:28:26,676
tell the entity, uh,

986
00:28:26,676 --> 00:28:27,808
okay, it looks like you're

987
00:28:27,808 --> 00:28:30,544
doing something complicated.

988
00:28:30,544 --> 00:28:35,963
Hmm, subdivision, access

989
00:28:35,963 --> 00:28:37,114
roads could be

990
00:28:37,114 --> 00:28:39,480
first, and then, hmm,

991
00:28:39,513 --> 00:28:40,466
wastewater catchment basins

992
00:28:40,466 --> 00:28:43,717
could be second.

993
00:28:43,717 --> 00:28:44,892
And these are just examples

994
00:28:44,892 --> 00:28:46,241
of what could force

995
00:28:46,241 --> 00:28:47,624
the DRB to give a developer

996
00:28:47,624 --> 00:28:48,938
certain target milestones

997
00:28:48,938 --> 00:28:49,803
before they

998
00:28:49,803 --> 00:28:51,013
complete what they

999
00:28:51,013 --> 00:28:58,373
need to do. Hmm,

1000
00:28:58,373 --> 00:28:59,587
anyone else want to take the

1001
00:28:59,587 --> 00:29:00,869
initiative?

1002
00:29:00,869 --> 00:29:01,914
My voice, um, is

1003
00:29:01,914 --> 00:29:05,424
shaking. I think

1004
00:29:05,424 --> 00:29:06,671
one of the important

1005
00:29:06,671 --> 00:29:08,182
things we did

1006
00:29:08,182 --> 00:29:09,316
was eliminate the

1007
00:29:09,316 --> 00:29:12,644
DRB hearings. Am I

1008
00:29:12,644 --> 00:29:13,953
right? Regarding

1009
00:29:13,953 --> 00:29:15,407
the adjustment of the boundary

1010
00:29:15,407 --> 00:29:18,001
line.

1011
00:29:18,001 --> 00:29:20,154
And providing...Yes. So this is the

1012
00:29:21,153 --> 00:29:22,125
zoning administrator's approval.

1013
00:29:22,125 --> 00:29:23,773
Yes. Yes. Yes. It used to

1014
00:29:23,773 --> 00:29:24,856
seem like everything

1015
00:29:24,856 --> 00:29:26,141
had to go to the DRV,

1016
00:29:26,141 --> 00:29:27,494
which was for minor

1017
00:29:27,494 --> 00:29:46,240
issues. Hmm, lots of

1018
00:29:46,883 --> 00:29:48,034
compliance segments, hmm,

1019
00:29:48,034 --> 00:29:49,287
approvals and lots of

1020
00:29:49,287 --> 00:29:50,608
compliance issues

1021
00:29:50,608 --> 00:29:51,590
, once the

1022
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:52,843
division plan is approved,

1023
00:29:52,843 --> 00:30:03,958
hmm, ZA issues the permit

1024
00:30:03,958 --> 00:30:07,436
after DRB approval. Hmm

1025
00:30:07,436 --> 00:30:08,538
, applicants, hmm,

1026
00:30:08,538 --> 00:30:10,021
especially applicants

1027
00:30:10,021 --> 00:30:11,250
who may have been

1028
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:12,563
denied, hmm, for

1029
00:30:12,563 --> 00:30:17,767
the reason, hmm, of a division

1030
00:30:17,767 --> 00:30:19,162
that they may have

1031
00:30:19,162 --> 00:30:20,678
wanted, have 30 days

1032
00:30:20,678 --> 00:30:21,914
to appeal this

1033
00:30:21,914 --> 00:30:23,968
decision made by the DRB.

1034
00:30:23,968 --> 00:30:25,698
Hmm, so it's at least from an

1035
00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:27,019
ecological

1036
00:30:27,019 --> 00:30:28,473
perspective,

1037
00:30:28,473 --> 00:30:30,085
at least it's possible that

1038
00:30:30,085 --> 00:30:30,954
, um, they have the

1039
00:30:30,954 --> 00:30:32,566
opportunity, um, to,

1040
00:30:32,566 --> 00:30:35,227
um, try again.

1041
00:30:35,227 --> 00:30:38,505
Hmm. Um,

1042
00:30:38,505 --> 00:30:39,655
right, you know,

1043
00:30:39,655 --> 00:30:40,874
the appeal is filed

1044
00:30:40,874 --> 00:30:41,923
with the department,

1045
00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:51,605
just not, um,

1046
00:30:51,605 --> 00:30:52,613
most of the

1047
00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:53,945
wording of this,

1048
00:30:53,945 --> 00:30:55,313
um, as you can

1049
00:30:55,313 --> 00:30:56,285
imagine, um, we

1050
00:30:56,285 --> 00:30:57,149
had to, um,

1051
00:30:57,149 --> 00:30:58,481
edit from existing

1052
00:30:58,481 --> 00:30:59,525
laws in other

1053
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:02,952
cities. Hmm, one thing

1054
00:31:02,952 --> 00:31:08,586
that Donald

1055
00:31:08,586 --> 00:31:09,630
Sherifkin did a great job

1056
00:31:09,630 --> 00:31:10,642
of doing in this

1057
00:31:10,642 --> 00:31:11,882
process was seeing

1058
00:31:11,882 --> 00:31:13,025
for us what

1059
00:31:13,025 --> 00:31:13,808
other cities were doing and

1060
00:31:13,808 --> 00:31:14,624
researching what

1061
00:31:14,624 --> 00:31:15,603
their

1062
00:31:15,603 --> 00:31:16,810
documents looked like, and we were

1063
00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:17,822
really excited to find

1064
00:31:17,822 --> 00:31:18,932
similar cities that were

1065
00:31:18,932 --> 00:31:19,715
facing

1066
00:31:19,715 --> 00:31:20,988
similar issues

1067
00:31:20,988 --> 00:31:29,794
. Hmm, another important

1068
00:31:29,794 --> 00:31:30,777
change was on

1069
00:31:30,777 --> 00:31:32,271
page 11, applicants

1070
00:31:32,271 --> 00:31:33,726
for division, hmm, what they

1071
00:31:33,726 --> 00:31:39,915
need to do to have

1072
00:31:39,915 --> 00:31:40,765
their application

1073
00:31:40,765 --> 00:31:42,690
move forward. There

1074
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:43,945
is also a list there, and this

1075
00:31:43,945 --> 00:31:45,266
list is important for

1076
00:31:45,266 --> 00:31:46,455
applicants to

1077
00:31:46,455 --> 00:31:47,248
review,

1078
00:31:47,248 --> 00:31:48,041
read, and

1079
00:31:48,041 --> 00:31:50,223
understand. And the

1080
00:31:50,255 --> 00:31:50,868
zoning administrator

1081
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:51,770
will work with

1082
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:52,705
applicants to

1083
00:31:52,705 --> 00:31:53,672
review this

1084
00:31:53,672 --> 00:31:54,349
list to

1085
00:31:54,349 --> 00:31:55,638
make sure they

1086
00:31:55,638 --> 00:31:56,766
understand everything that is

1087
00:31:56,766 --> 00:31:59,405
written on it. It

1088
00:31:59,405 --> 00:32:00,555
was a very complex and

1089
00:32:00,555 --> 00:32:01,481
different document,

1090
00:32:01,481 --> 00:32:02,472
initially with two

1091
00:32:02,472 --> 00:32:03,717
columns and different

1092
00:32:03,717 --> 00:32:04,771
types of check marks and

1093
00:32:04,771 --> 00:32:08,449
different items. But

1094
00:32:08,449 --> 00:32:09,756
we think it's important that

1095
00:32:09,756 --> 00:32:10,965
this is pointed out

1096
00:32:10,965 --> 00:32:12,272
when people divide their

1097
00:32:12,272 --> 00:32:13,546
land, as well as on the

1098
00:32:13,546 --> 00:32:19,319
flowchart.

1099
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:20,643
And another thing we

1100
00:32:20,643 --> 00:32:22,074
quickly discussed is

1101
00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:23,399
the importance of the write-up in the

1102
00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:24,830
closing section 2.4

1103
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:29,011
on page nine.

1104
00:32:29,011 --> 00:32:30,350
Um, this is important, um, we

1105
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:31,583
say that the applicant

1106
00:32:31,583 --> 00:32:32,746
who applies

1107
00:32:32,746 --> 00:32:33,909
within 180 days of the

1108
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:34,895
date of receiving

1109
00:32:34,895 --> 00:32:35,706
final

1110
00:32:35,706 --> 00:32:37,009
plan approval

1111
00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:38,243
must submit two

1112
00:32:38,243 --> 00:32:39,441
copies of the final

1113
00:32:39,441 --> 00:32:40,533
plan of subdivision for

1114
00:32:40,533 --> 00:32:41,379
registration in the

1115
00:32:41,379 --> 00:32:44,163
land records. We

1116
00:32:44,163 --> 00:32:45,505
were told that was

1117
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:48,109
too much time. But, um

1118
00:32:48,109 --> 00:32:49,633
, of course, you can,

1119
00:32:49,633 --> 00:32:50,650
um, do it

1120
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:52,057
over two days

1121
00:32:52,057 --> 00:32:55,459
if you want. This

1122
00:32:55,459 --> 00:32:56,772
simply gives you permission

1123
00:32:56,772 --> 00:32:58,053
to take up to six months, but

1124
00:32:58,053 --> 00:32:59,170
it is an important step in the

1125
00:32:59,170 --> 00:33:02,470
process. That

1126
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:03,562
doesn't mean you have to

1127
00:33:03,562 --> 00:33:15,624
do it.

1128
00:33:15,624 --> 00:33:16,920
So, um, making

1129
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:17,470
changes to the

1130
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:18,806
approved, um,

1131
00:33:18,806 --> 00:33:24,966
division, um, is not

1132
00:33:24,966 --> 00:33:28,604
allowed. If, changes, um, are

1133
00:33:28,604 --> 00:33:32,773
necessary, if the person the

1134
00:33:32,773 --> 00:33:34,000
applicant wants to

1135
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,228
make changes, they have to

1136
00:33:35,228 --> 00:33:36,492
start all over again

1137
00:33:36,492 --> 00:33:40,205
. She

1138
00:33:40,205 --> 00:33:42,563
should, she should

1139
00:33:42,598 --> 00:33:43,896
reapply, and, um, unless it's

1140
00:33:43,896 --> 00:33:44,512
just a

1141
00:33:44,512 --> 00:33:45,844
clerical difference

1142
00:33:45,844 --> 00:33:46,836
, um, a typographical

1143
00:33:46,836 --> 00:33:47,827
difference or something

1144
00:33:47,827 --> 00:33:51,512
like that. But if

1145
00:33:51,512 --> 00:33:52,502
they're going to

1146
00:33:52,502 --> 00:33:53,790
move the boundaries, um,

1147
00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:55,012
they have to

1148
00:33:55,012 --> 00:33:59,401
resubmit. Um, it might

1149
00:33:59,401 --> 00:34:03,414
be a minor division

1150
00:34:03,414 --> 00:34:04,766
at that point. This may

1151
00:34:04,766 --> 00:34:06,018
be a minor division,

1152
00:34:06,018 --> 00:34:06,894
as the changes are

1153
00:34:06,894 --> 00:34:07,968
small. But this

1154
00:34:07,968 --> 00:34:08,999
starts the process

1155
00:34:08,999 --> 00:34:17,951
over. Does anyone want to

1156
00:34:17,951 --> 00:34:19,028
start with the third

1157
00:34:19,028 --> 00:34:19,874
article?

1158
00:34:19,874 --> 00:34:20,499
Should we

1159
00:34:20,499 --> 00:34:21,124
confirm that there are

1160
00:34:21,124 --> 00:34:22,212
no questions

1161
00:34:22,212 --> 00:34:23,158
or comments?

1162
00:34:23,158 --> 00:34:23,659
Should we

1163
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:24,299
confirm that there are

1164
00:34:24,299 --> 00:34:25,697
no questions

1165
00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:26,607
regarding

1166
00:34:26,607 --> 00:34:27,882
this section?

1167
00:34:27,882 --> 00:34:29,205
We were trying to, uh,

1168
00:34:29,205 --> 00:34:30,140
throw some

1169
00:34:30,140 --> 00:34:34,526
nonsense at you.

1170
00:34:34,526 --> 00:34:36,051
Not from me.

1171
00:34:36,051 --> 00:34:38,068
Not yet. Although, although, when

1172
00:34:38,068 --> 00:34:39,384
you were talking about

1173
00:34:39,384 --> 00:34:40,734
property deeds...I don't know

1174
00:34:40,734 --> 00:34:41,877
if it's that far into the

1175
00:34:41,877 --> 00:34:42,566
conversation...

1176
00:34:42,566 --> 00:34:43,387
Yes, we could

1177
00:34:43,387 --> 00:34:44,362
ask you a question

1178
00:34:44,362 --> 00:34:45,360
about property deeds.

1179
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,145
Try it.

1180
00:34:46,145 --> 00:34:47,316
Good. I...I...I didn't

1181
00:34:47,316 --> 00:34:48,167
understand all the

1182
00:34:48,167 --> 00:34:49,442
details of what people

1183
00:34:49,442 --> 00:34:50,522
were saying about

1184
00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:51,601
title deeds from a

1185
00:34:51,601 --> 00:34:52,713
surveying perspective

1186
00:34:52,713 --> 00:34:53,925
.

1187
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:54,993
Let me not be

1188
00:34:54,993 --> 00:34:56,339
mistaken.

1189
00:34:56,339 --> 00:34:57,584
Geodetic maps do not

1190
00:34:57,584 --> 00:34:58,594
transfer

1191
00:34:58,594 --> 00:34:59,619
ownership. Title deeds

1192
00:34:59,619 --> 00:35:00,827
transfer

1193
00:35:00,827 --> 00:35:02,111
ownership. Uh,

1194
00:35:02,111 --> 00:35:03,167
geodetic maps

1195
00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:04,454
are created for various

1196
00:35:04,454 --> 00:35:06,140
reasons. One of them is for

1197
00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:07,131
local

1198
00:35:07,131 --> 00:35:08,817
zoning purposes. They are like that

1199
00:35:08,817 --> 00:35:09,880
, and they can be

1200
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,135
seen as a plan, and

1201
00:35:11,135 --> 00:35:12,134
they can be

1202
00:35:12,134 --> 00:35:13,385
written down or not.

1203
00:35:13,385 --> 00:35:14,286
However, they do not

1204
00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:15,218
transfer

1205
00:35:15,218 --> 00:35:16,522
ownership. Transfer of

1206
00:35:16,522 --> 00:35:17,603
ownership is

1207
00:35:17,603 --> 00:35:18,881
only ownership

1208
00:35:18,881 --> 00:35:20,160
and only ownership deeds

1209
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,329
. I wasn't sure that was the

1210
00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:23,356
perfect

1211
00:35:23,356 --> 00:35:24,672
way to say it.

1212
00:35:24,672 --> 00:35:26,061
Excellent explanation. Is

1213
00:35:26,061 --> 00:35:27,247
there something that informs

1214
00:35:27,247 --> 00:35:28,533
the act to make sure

1215
00:35:28,533 --> 00:35:29,720
that the act provides accurate

1216
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,513
information? A

1217
00:35:30,513 --> 00:35:31,590
well-written deed

1218
00:35:31,590 --> 00:35:32,726
refers to a

1219
00:35:32,726 --> 00:35:34,143
land use map. Yes. I would

1220
00:35:34,143 --> 00:35:35,061
assume,

1221
00:35:35,061 --> 00:35:36,120
but still, the existence of a

1222
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,267
land use map does not

1223
00:35:37,267 --> 00:35:38,032
transfer

1224
00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:39,063
ownership. It is worth

1225
00:35:39,063 --> 00:35:40,178
remembering this.

1226
00:35:40,178 --> 00:35:41,292
Yes. Right.

1227
00:35:41,292 --> 00:35:42,059
And this is an important

1228
00:35:42,059 --> 00:35:43,393
reminder, perhaps,

1229
00:35:43,393 --> 00:35:44,660
for

1230
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:45,561
zoning administrators to

1231
00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:49,475
convey to people

1232
00:35:49,475 --> 00:35:50,934
who are subdividing their land

1233
00:35:50,934 --> 00:35:53,133
.

1234
00:35:53,133 --> 00:35:54,333
And it's there.

1235
00:35:54,333 --> 00:35:55,454
have been many cases

1236
00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:56,211
where people have had a

1237
00:35:56,211 --> 00:35:57,305
registered map

1238
00:35:57,305 --> 00:35:58,370
and they thought that or

1239
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:59,155
they thought they

1240
00:35:59,155 --> 00:36:00,080
owned the land

1241
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,090
because there is a map

1242
00:36:01,090 --> 00:36:02,791
showing it. Yes. Well, no

1243
00:36:02,791 --> 00:36:03,990
. The land management act

1244
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:04,887
transfers

1245
00:36:04,887 --> 00:36:06,635
ownership. Perhaps the only other

1246
00:36:06,635 --> 00:36:08,058
thing

1247
00:36:08,058 --> 00:36:09,480
worth mentioning about this

1248
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,725
is that there is a

1249
00:36:10,725 --> 00:36:12,112
section that specifies

1250
00:36:12,112 --> 00:36:13,535
what must be shown

1251
00:36:13,535 --> 00:36:14,673
on the map on the

1252
00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:18,650
land use map,

1253
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:19,740
and these are the requirements of this

1254
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:20,932
committee, the local

1255
00:36:20,932 --> 00:36:24,799
zoning board.

1256
00:36:24,799 --> 00:36:25,896
There is also a whole

1257
00:36:25,896 --> 00:36:27,193
separate list of requirements

1258
00:36:27,193 --> 00:36:28,390
for what should be

1259
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:29,555
shown on

1260
00:36:29,555 --> 00:36:31,277
land use maps. This is on

1261
00:36:31,277 --> 00:36:32,109
the page...does everything

1262
00:36:32,109 --> 00:36:32,878
seem

1263
00:36:32,878 --> 00:36:33,651
normal to you?

1264
00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:34,721
Uh, it seems like it

1265
00:36:34,721 --> 00:36:36,568
seems normal.

1266
00:36:36,568 --> 00:36:37,328
From a

1267
00:36:37,328 --> 00:36:38,287
land management perspective, we

1268
00:36:38,287 --> 00:36:39,444
can meet these

1269
00:36:39,444 --> 00:36:40,740
requirements. Of course.

1270
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:41,511
Good.

1271
00:36:41,511 --> 00:36:42,822
But the state has its own

1272
00:36:42,822 --> 00:36:44,720
set of requirements for any

1273
00:36:44,755 --> 00:36:45,617
geodetic

1274
00:36:45,617 --> 00:36:46,618
survey map that

1275
00:36:46,618 --> 00:36:49,957
is submitted, which is slightly

1276
00:36:49,957 --> 00:36:51,094
different from

1277
00:36:51,094 --> 00:36:52,052
this.

1278
00:36:52,052 --> 00:36:53,319
Well, but it seems like it

1279
00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:54,843
seems important.

1280
00:36:54,843 --> 00:36:55,978
Maybe that's how it should

1281
00:36:55,978 --> 00:36:57,216
be if the state has

1282
00:36:57,216 --> 00:36:58,283
requirements and they're not

1283
00:36:58,283 --> 00:36:59,656
exactly the same as what we have.

1284
00:36:59,656 --> 00:37:00,712
I think we should

1285
00:37:00,712 --> 00:37:02,008
consider that they

1286
00:37:02,008 --> 00:37:03,099
must

1287
00:37:03,099 --> 00:37:04,432
meet

1288
00:37:04,432 --> 00:37:05,066
state requirements.

1289
00:37:05,066 --> 00:37:06,529
Uh, unless the state

1290
00:37:06,529 --> 00:37:07,809
requires

1291
00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:08,783
it, besides, the

1292
00:37:08,783 --> 00:37:10,009
planning commission

1293
00:37:10,009 --> 00:37:10,889
can require it...

1294
00:37:10,889 --> 00:37:11,957
I probably should

1295
00:37:11,957 --> 00:37:12,806
n't have even

1296
00:37:12,806 --> 00:37:14,063
brought this up

1297
00:37:14,063 --> 00:37:15,320
before I looked at

1298
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,128
that list. Well, I mean

1299
00:37:17,128 --> 00:37:18,060
, would

1300
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:19,268
you recommend that

1301
00:37:19,268 --> 00:37:19,959
we add a

1302
00:37:19,959 --> 00:37:21,098
disclaimer that

1303
00:37:21,098 --> 00:37:29,052
says that the survey requirements

1304
00:37:29,808 --> 00:37:31,090
set forth in the

1305
00:37:31,090 --> 00:37:32,405
Marorrow subdivision rules are somewhat

1306
00:37:32,405 --> 00:37:33,522
different from the

1307
00:37:33,522 --> 00:37:36,669
state requirements,

1308
00:37:36,669 --> 00:37:37,866
and that the applicant should

1309
00:37:37,866 --> 00:37:38,875
research what

1310
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,632
those

1311
00:37:39,632 --> 00:37:40,457
differences are.

1312
00:37:40,457 --> 00:37:41,773
I don't see the need to

1313
00:37:41,773 --> 00:37:42,478
draw this.

1314
00:37:42,478 --> 00:37:45,746
Good. Good. Good.

1315
00:37:45,746 --> 00:37:46,583
So, I'm just

1316
00:37:46,583 --> 00:37:47,839
trying to understand

1317
00:37:47,839 --> 00:37:48,966
if one of our

1318
00:37:48,966 --> 00:37:50,157
tasks after this

1319
00:37:50,157 --> 00:37:51,413
evening is to convey

1320
00:37:51,413 --> 00:37:52,154
any changes or

1321
00:37:52,154 --> 00:37:53,442
additions that may have

1322
00:37:53,442 --> 00:37:54,505
come up during the

1323
00:37:54,505 --> 00:37:59,029
meeting.

1324
00:37:59,029 --> 00:38:03,861
Um, um, maybe I

1325
00:38:03,861 --> 00:38:05,006
shouldn't even have

1326
00:38:05,006 --> 00:38:06,278
mentioned it, because I

1327
00:38:06,278 --> 00:38:07,550
don't think it's a significant

1328
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:09,178
problem. The

1329
00:38:09,178 --> 00:38:10,161
Planning Commission can

1330
00:38:10,161 --> 00:38:11,144
require that anything it wishes be shown on the

1331
00:38:11,144 --> 00:38:13,601
survey maps

1332
00:38:13,633 --> 00:38:14,985
. And I just

1333
00:38:14,985 --> 00:38:16,090
wanted to say that there

1334
00:38:16,090 --> 00:38:17,333
is also a list

1335
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:18,714
that the state requires for

1336
00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:20,025
geodetic maps that are

1337
00:38:20,025 --> 00:38:20,989
registered.

1338
00:38:20,989 --> 00:38:23,558
Good.

1339
00:38:23,558 --> 00:38:24,868
So, Malcolm,

1340
00:38:24,868 --> 00:38:26,030
essentially, what you're saying is

1341
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:27,340
that, um, there are

1342
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:28,689
state regulations that

1343
00:38:28,689 --> 00:38:30,150
apply to the land surveyor

1344
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:31,236
, not necessarily the

1345
00:38:31,236 --> 00:38:35,334
city district. But

1346
00:38:35,334 --> 00:38:36,624
if it doesn't meet the

1347
00:38:36,624 --> 00:38:37,849
recording requirements,

1348
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:38,880
the state regulations

1349
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,170
for certified

1350
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:41,105
recording, then it's not

1351
00:38:41,105 --> 00:38:42,450
good for the city. It

1352
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:43,114
can't be

1353
00:38:43,114 --> 00:38:44,181
registered if

1354
00:38:44,181 --> 00:38:45,278
it doesn't meet these

1355
00:38:45,278 --> 00:38:46,273
standards, right?

1356
00:38:46,273 --> 00:38:47,422
Well, it could be, it

1357
00:38:47,422 --> 00:38:48,677
could be. You can

1358
00:38:48,677 --> 00:38:50,000
record anything.

1359
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,571
Good.

1360
00:38:50,571 --> 00:38:51,455
You can make

1361
00:38:51,455 --> 00:38:52,474
a sketch on a napkin and

1362
00:38:52,474 --> 00:38:53,520
take it to the forest

1363
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,586
to be registered.

1364
00:38:54,586 --> 00:38:55,616
That's what I mean

1365
00:38:55,616 --> 00:38:56,813
, that's what I

1366
00:38:56,813 --> 00:38:58,012
misunderstood. But I

1367
00:38:58,012 --> 00:38:59,447
guess I thought that

1368
00:38:59,447 --> 00:39:00,315
if it was

1369
00:39:00,315 --> 00:39:01,824
certified, then everything should

1370
00:39:01,824 --> 00:39:03,145
meet

1371
00:39:03,145 --> 00:39:04,655
government requirements. No.

1372
00:39:05,007 --> 00:39:05,839
Uh, yes, they are

1373
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:06,810
licensed under a

1374
00:39:06,810 --> 00:39:07,673
geodetic

1375
00:39:07,673 --> 00:39:08,339
survey

1376
00:39:08,339 --> 00:39:09,030
prepared by a

1377
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:09,671
licensed

1378
00:39:09,671 --> 00:39:10,693
surveyor. It has to

1379
00:39:10,693 --> 00:39:11,911
meet

1380
00:39:11,911 --> 00:39:12,364
state requirements,

1381
00:39:12,364 --> 00:39:13,197
but you can

1382
00:39:13,197 --> 00:39:14,396
demand, you can

1383
00:39:14,396 --> 00:39:15,696
write something that's not

1384
00:39:15,696 --> 00:39:17,520
...

1385
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,653
I have...that's what we on the

1386
00:39:18,653 --> 00:39:20,036
planning commission

1387
00:39:20,036 --> 00:39:21,170
assumed...Um,

1388
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,091
surveyors have a

1389
00:39:22,091 --> 00:39:26,773
professional practice.

1390
00:39:26,773 --> 00:39:27,647
This professional

1391
00:39:27,647 --> 00:39:28,554
practice is between

1392
00:39:28,554 --> 00:39:29,731
the landowner and

1393
00:39:29,731 --> 00:39:34,968
the surveyor. This

1394
00:39:34,968 --> 00:39:36,625
professional practice,

1395
00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:37,814
um, hopefully, of a

1396
00:39:37,814 --> 00:39:38,834
high, um,

1397
00:39:38,834 --> 00:39:44,055
high standard,

1398
00:39:44,055 --> 00:39:45,288
and um, and as long as the owner is

1399
00:39:45,288 --> 00:39:46,076
happy with

1400
00:39:46,076 --> 00:39:47,275
the surveyor that

1401
00:39:47,275 --> 00:39:48,440
he has chosen and in his

1402
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,604
practice, then we are

1403
00:39:49,604 --> 00:39:52,863
all good...

1404
00:39:52,863 --> 00:39:53,891
I've probably

1405
00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:54,986
talked about this a lot, it's

1406
00:39:54,986 --> 00:39:56,213
clear enough

1407
00:39:56,213 --> 00:39:56,413
...

1408
00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:57,991
wait, wait,

1409
00:39:57,991 --> 00:40:02,301
Mary... the

1410
00:40:02,335 --> 00:40:03,506
planning commission requirements that are not

1411
00:40:03,506 --> 00:40:04,573
part of the

1412
00:40:04,573 --> 00:40:05,674
state requirements are shown on

1413
00:40:05,674 --> 00:40:06,878
this list... um, with

1414
00:40:06,878 --> 00:40:09,219
a note that the planning commission

1415
00:40:09,253 --> 00:40:13,328
requires them. That's good.

1416
00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,367
Of course. Um, um, and the

1417
00:40:15,367 --> 00:40:16,730
state may

1418
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:18,210
or may not require them, and

1419
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:19,882
I don't see a problem.

1420
00:40:19,882 --> 00:40:21,665
Good. Good. Good.

1421
00:40:21,665 --> 00:40:23,443
So, thank you for

1422
00:40:23,443 --> 00:40:28,249
noticing. Um, okay.

1423
00:40:28,249 --> 00:40:29,401
What stage are we at

1424
00:40:29,401 --> 00:40:33,057
? Chapter

1425
00:40:33,057 --> 00:40:34,533
three, article three

1426
00:40:34,533 --> 00:40:36,900
, article three. Thank you

1427
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:58,764
. Um, article three. Um

1428
00:40:58,764 --> 00:41:00,707
,

1429
00:41:00,707 --> 00:41:05,147
yeah,

1430
00:41:05,147 --> 00:41:05,988
has a general

1431
00:41:05,988 --> 00:41:07,283
optimistic view

1432
00:41:07,283 --> 00:41:08,352
of what development

1433
00:41:08,352 --> 00:41:09,226
can do to

1434
00:41:09,226 --> 00:41:16,435
real estate. Um, um,

1435
00:41:16,435 --> 00:41:17,643
you know, it seems like

1436
00:41:17,643 --> 00:41:18,199
the development

1437
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:19,211
will proceed

1438
00:41:19,211 --> 00:41:19,995
safely without

1439
00:41:19,995 --> 00:41:20,682
undue

1440
00:41:20,682 --> 00:41:21,858
negative impacts

1441
00:41:21,858 --> 00:41:23,132
on public health

1442
00:41:23,132 --> 00:41:24,308
, safety, the environment,

1443
00:41:24,308 --> 00:41:25,419
neighboring properties, and the

1444
00:41:25,419 --> 00:41:26,137
rural and

1445
00:41:26,137 --> 00:41:27,313
scenic nature of

1446
00:41:27,313 --> 00:41:28,958
the community. Um, that's an

1447
00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:29,872
optimistic

1448
00:41:29,872 --> 00:41:33,020
statement. Um, and um,

1449
00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:34,300
any development

1450
00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:35,805
seems to

1451
00:41:35,805 --> 00:41:38,361
jeopardize all of that. Um,

1452
00:41:38,361 --> 00:41:39,168
but, um, we didn't

1453
00:41:39,168 --> 00:41:40,850
feel like we wanted it to

1454
00:41:40,884 --> 00:41:42,195
continue, at least not without

1455
00:41:42,195 --> 00:41:44,444
saying so.

1456
00:41:44,444 --> 00:41:50,064
Um, I think it's

1457
00:41:50,064 --> 00:41:51,321
fair to say

1458
00:41:51,321 --> 00:41:52,482
that our

1459
00:41:52,482 --> 00:41:53,481
zoning document and our

1460
00:41:53,481 --> 00:41:54,641
city plan

1461
00:41:54,641 --> 00:41:55,834
also had that in mind

1462
00:41:55,834 --> 00:41:57,091
when we were working on them,

1463
00:41:57,091 --> 00:41:58,122
because we want to

1464
00:41:58,122 --> 00:41:59,282
make sure that it's

1465
00:41:59,282 --> 00:42:00,443
consistent with the

1466
00:42:00,443 --> 00:42:01,248
city's vision, the current

1467
00:42:01,248 --> 00:42:02,505
rules and regulations,

1468
00:42:02,505 --> 00:42:03,537
and the aspirations of

1469
00:42:03,537 --> 00:42:04,762
the city that are outlined

1470
00:42:04,762 --> 00:42:05,793
in the city

1471
00:42:05,793 --> 00:42:10,866
plan. Yes, we

1472
00:42:10,866 --> 00:42:12,012
first say that the

1473
00:42:12,012 --> 00:42:13,157
urban development plan

1474
00:42:13,157 --> 00:42:14,398
and zoning regulations

1475
00:42:14,398 --> 00:42:15,289
were important

1476
00:42:15,289 --> 00:42:16,498
guidelines for us

1477
00:42:16,498 --> 00:42:17,771
when we were doing this

1478
00:42:17,771 --> 00:42:35,389
work. Um, protection. Oh,

1479
00:42:35,389 --> 00:42:36,440
when

1480
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,715
we were working on the

1481
00:42:37,715 --> 00:42:38,830
city plan a few years ago, we had

1482
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:39,914
internal

1483
00:42:39,914 --> 00:42:41,124
arguments about

1484
00:42:41,124 --> 00:42:50,632
whether the city plan was, um, an

1485
00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:51,706
aspirational document, or,

1486
00:42:51,706 --> 00:42:53,993
you know, a look at the

1487
00:42:54,028 --> 00:42:55,414
city's hopes and desires for the future, um,

1488
00:42:55,414 --> 00:42:56,626
or an accurate representation of what

1489
00:42:56,626 --> 00:42:57,700
it is

1490
00:42:57,700 --> 00:43:00,837
now. And it's somewhere in

1491
00:43:00,837 --> 00:43:02,527
the middle, I think.

1492
00:43:02,527 --> 00:43:05,459
Yes. And this is the section where

1493
00:43:05,459 --> 00:43:06,518
a lot of government

1494
00:43:06,518 --> 00:43:07,578
regulations come in

1495
00:43:07,578 --> 00:43:08,703
regarding

1496
00:43:08,703 --> 00:43:09,895
water and wastewater use and

1497
00:43:09,895 --> 00:43:13,100
so on. Hmm, these are rules

1498
00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:14,546
that we don't necessarily

1499
00:43:14,546 --> 00:43:15,361
have the right

1500
00:43:15,361 --> 00:43:17,082
to ignore.

1501
00:43:17,082 --> 00:43:18,926
These are the states

1502
00:43:18,926 --> 00:43:19,931
that are not there, they

1503
00:43:19,931 --> 00:43:20,736
have to be

1504
00:43:20,736 --> 00:43:22,077
approved before

1505
00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:23,050
you can

1506
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:24,766
do anything.

1507
00:43:24,766 --> 00:43:25,969
Yes, they influence the

1508
00:43:25,969 --> 00:43:30,708
development of the plan.

1509
00:43:30,708 --> 00:43:31,996
Many of the edits in this

1510
00:43:31,996 --> 00:43:32,769
section were

1511
00:43:32,769 --> 00:43:33,703
linguistic

1512
00:43:33,703 --> 00:43:34,733
clarifications on

1513
00:43:34,733 --> 00:43:35,635
things that were

1514
00:43:35,635 --> 00:43:36,891
unclear or just

1515
00:43:36,891 --> 00:43:38,147
subjective that we were

1516
00:43:38,147 --> 00:43:40,647
trying to resolve.

1517
00:43:40,647 --> 00:43:47,190
Yes. Um, the protection of

1518
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:48,574
natural resources

1519
00:43:48,574 --> 00:43:49,573
and cultural

1520
00:43:49,573 --> 00:43:50,496
resources, um,

1521
00:43:50,496 --> 00:43:51,572
is divided into

1522
00:43:51,572 --> 00:43:53,110
primary and secondary,

1523
00:43:53,110 --> 00:43:54,340
um, issues, and these

1524
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:55,608
issues, I think, are more

1525
00:43:55,608 --> 00:43:57,069
useful, um, to the DRB,

1526
00:43:57,069 --> 00:44:03,699
um, more than to the

1527
00:44:03,699 --> 00:44:05,026
applicant, perhaps

1528
00:44:05,026 --> 00:44:06,595
because, um, the primary

1529
00:44:06,595 --> 00:44:07,923
ones are the ones that the DRB,

1530
00:44:07,923 --> 00:44:09,291
perhaps, has more

1531
00:44:09,291 --> 00:44:12,691
strict control over. And

1532
00:44:12,691 --> 00:44:13,881
the secondary ones are perhaps

1533
00:44:13,881 --> 00:44:15,106
more open to

1534
00:44:15,106 --> 00:44:29,297
interpretation. Um, as

1535
00:44:29,297 --> 00:44:30,560
you can see in

1536
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,860
point 3.4 before, um,

1537
00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:32,640
preserving

1538
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,089
open space,

1539
00:44:34,089 --> 00:44:35,426
creating common

1540
00:44:35,426 --> 00:44:39,475
lands. Um, these things, um

1541
00:44:39,475 --> 00:44:44,410
, are important to Marorrow. Um,

1542
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:45,455
and we want, um,

1543
00:44:45,455 --> 00:44:46,948
developers and people

1544
00:44:46,948 --> 00:44:48,403
who subdivide their land to

1545
00:44:48,403 --> 00:44:49,336
be aware of them

1546
00:44:49,336 --> 00:44:59,671
. Again

1547
00:44:59,671 --> 00:45:00,631
,

1548
00:45:00,631 --> 00:45:01,777
stormwater management is a

1549
00:45:01,777 --> 00:45:02,860
joint affair between the

1550
00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:03,913
state and cities,

1551
00:45:03,913 --> 00:45:05,152
but the state has a lot

1552
00:45:05,152 --> 00:45:06,236
more say in

1553
00:45:06,236 --> 00:45:07,474
stormwater management

1554
00:45:07,474 --> 00:45:09,919
than we do. So

1555
00:45:09,919 --> 00:45:11,381
this part is short.

1556
00:45:11,381 --> 00:45:12,720
Um, flood hazard zones

1557
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:19,494
are defined

1558
00:45:19,494 --> 00:45:20,915
in Marboro zoning regulations

1559
00:45:20,915 --> 00:45:22,080
, and they are also

1560
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:28,331
important, um, roads.

1561
00:45:28,331 --> 00:45:29,560
We worked with, um,

1562
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,826
Andrew Richardson

1563
00:45:30,826 --> 00:45:32,237
to make sure that,

1564
00:45:32,237 --> 00:45:33,285
um, he had an

1565
00:45:33,285 --> 00:45:34,045
opportunity

1566
00:45:34,045 --> 00:45:35,383
to look at this

1567
00:45:35,383 --> 00:45:36,758
section of the roads,

1568
00:45:36,758 --> 00:45:38,060
and, um, he seemed to

1569
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:39,072
think it

1570
00:45:39,072 --> 00:45:40,230
covered the needs of

1571
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:43,345
the roads.

1572
00:45:43,345 --> 00:45:44,569
This is another case where there

1573
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:45,273
is a gap between

1574
00:45:45,273 --> 00:45:46,314
municipal and

1575
00:45:46,314 --> 00:45:47,508
state regulations

1576
00:45:47,508 --> 00:45:48,702
, state roads

1577
00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:50,341
. Unfortunately, we have nothing to

1578
00:45:50,341 --> 00:45:51,673
say about

1579
00:45:51,673 --> 00:45:54,935
Route Ninth. Did

1580
00:45:54,935 --> 00:45:56,803
you say "unfortunately"?

1581
00:45:56,903 --> 00:45:58,976
Unfortunately. Oh, sorry. This is not

1582
00:45:58,976 --> 00:46:03,898
an opinion. Well, um, uh, this

1583
00:46:03,898 --> 00:46:05,384
current council and Andrew

1584
00:46:05,384 --> 00:46:06,759
have been ambitious about the

1585
00:46:06,759 --> 00:46:08,207
roadworks and, um,

1586
00:46:08,207 --> 00:46:09,396
it's not our place

1587
00:46:09,396 --> 00:46:22,722
to criticize here. Er,

1588
00:46:22,722 --> 00:46:23,633
so 3.10 is the

1589
00:46:23,633 --> 00:46:24,709
standard for

1590
00:46:24,709 --> 00:46:29,532
large divisions. Uh,

1591
00:46:29,532 --> 00:46:36,361
and, um, they also, uh, a

1592
00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:37,701
color map that

1593
00:46:37,701 --> 00:46:38,723
we borrowed from

1594
00:46:38,723 --> 00:46:41,700
Bradborough. Uh, and it

1595
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:43,250
shows how

1596
00:46:44,157 --> 00:46:45,630
building lots are assessed,

1597
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:47,104
um, how to calculate, um

1598
00:46:47,104 --> 00:46:48,427
, how much land, um,

1599
00:46:48,427 --> 00:46:49,712
that you own

1600
00:46:49,712 --> 00:46:51,034
can be opened up

1601
00:46:51,034 --> 00:46:55,333
for, um, subdivision. Um, and

1602
00:46:55,333 --> 00:46:56,906
part D represents the

1603
00:46:56,906 --> 00:46:58,479
, um, conservation

1604
00:46:58,479 --> 00:47:00,052
subdivisions, which, um

1605
00:47:00,052 --> 00:47:01,181
, we spend

1606
00:47:01,181 --> 00:47:02,794
a lot of time working

1607
00:47:02,794 --> 00:47:03,480
on, um, and

1608
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,424
we hope that, um, you know, there are two

1609
00:47:06,424 --> 00:47:07,876
things, there are two ways that you

1610
00:47:07,876 --> 00:47:09,369
can do a

1611
00:47:09,369 --> 00:47:10,982
conservation type of

1612
00:47:10,982 --> 00:47:13,868
subdivision. One, um,

1613
00:47:13,868 --> 00:47:15,060
is called, um,

1614
00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:16,650
planned

1615
00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:19,025
unit developments. It's

1616
00:47:19,025 --> 00:47:19,879
outlined in the

1617
00:47:19,879 --> 00:47:21,301
zoning regulations, and there's

1618
00:47:21,301 --> 00:47:22,510
one of them already at the

1619
00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:23,932
edge of the college campus,

1620
00:47:23,932 --> 00:47:24,927
um, where the music

1621
00:47:24,927 --> 00:47:26,278
house and the music, um,

1622
00:47:26,278 --> 00:47:27,322
there's two,

1623
00:47:27,322 --> 00:47:28,604
they have two now, oh,

1624
00:47:28,604 --> 00:47:29,777
two, the one that Donald

1625
00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:30,803
just worked on

1626
00:47:30,803 --> 00:47:31,453
,

1627
00:47:31,453 --> 00:47:33,615
and it's also

1628
00:47:33,615 --> 00:47:34,849
at the other end, in

1629
00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:38,901
this case,

1630
00:47:38,901 --> 00:47:39,729
um, the size

1631
00:47:39,729 --> 00:47:43,347
is determined by

1632
00:47:43,347 --> 00:47:47,768
the boundaries of

1633
00:47:47,768 --> 00:47:49,045
the right, um, slowly

1634
00:47:49,045 --> 00:47:49,874
sensitive, um,

1635
00:47:49,874 --> 00:47:51,256
tangible land, and

1636
00:47:51,256 --> 00:47:52,326
which, and actually, the

1637
00:47:52,326 --> 00:47:53,397
conservation

1638
00:47:53,397 --> 00:47:54,364
subdivisions that we're

1639
00:47:54,364 --> 00:47:55,641
proposing do the

1640
00:47:55,641 --> 00:47:56,401
same thing, but they

1641
00:47:56,401 --> 00:47:57,265
provide for

1642
00:47:57,265 --> 00:47:58,197
individual

1643
00:47:58,197 --> 00:47:59,440
ownership, um, on these

1644
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,787
resulting subdivisions,

1645
00:48:00,787 --> 00:48:02,099
unlike the other

1646
00:48:02,099 --> 00:48:03,792
two, where they're

1647
00:48:03,826 --> 00:48:08,946
jointly owned.

1648
00:48:08,946 --> 00:48:10,926
Right. That's

1649
00:48:10,926 --> 00:48:18,413
right. Hmm,

1650
00:48:18,413 --> 00:48:19,942
the nature conservation areas

1651
00:48:19,942 --> 00:48:21,319
are defined, sizes,

1652
00:48:21,319 --> 00:48:24,982
dimensions. Hmm, there is a formula

1653
00:48:24,982 --> 00:48:27,790
. Where is the formula for

1654
00:48:27,790 --> 00:48:28,765
determining, hmm,

1655
00:48:28,765 --> 00:48:29,635
how many

1656
00:48:29,635 --> 00:48:37,106
plot sizes do you have? Um,

1657
00:48:37,106 --> 00:48:38,734
if you look at

1658
00:48:38,734 --> 00:48:39,833
this example on

1659
00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:40,891
page 19, which

1660
00:48:40,891 --> 00:48:42,194
shows a

1661
00:48:42,194 --> 00:48:43,822
50-acre site, uh,

1662
00:48:43,822 --> 00:48:45,287
which, uh, has areas that are

1663
00:48:45,287 --> 00:48:46,793
too sensitive for

1664
00:48:46,793 --> 00:48:52,820
construction. In this

1665
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:54,388
case, this example

1666
00:48:54,388 --> 00:48:55,912
shows coastal

1667
00:48:55,912 --> 00:48:57,183
setbacks and, uh,

1668
00:48:57,183 --> 00:48:58,581
slopes that are steep 25% or

1669
00:48:58,581 --> 00:49:01,505
more. You subtract

1670
00:49:01,505 --> 00:49:02,845
those 20 acres and you're

1671
00:49:02,845 --> 00:49:05,953
left with 30 acres.

1672
00:49:05,953 --> 00:49:07,346
Typically on a

1673
00:49:07,346 --> 00:49:08,589
50 acre lot and

1674
00:49:08,589 --> 00:49:09,907
anyway

1675
00:49:09,907 --> 00:49:10,886
you are allowed to

1676
00:49:10,886 --> 00:49:11,940
build 20 to

1677
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:13,145
divide it into 25

1678
00:49:13,145 --> 00:49:14,350
2 acre lots

1679
00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:15,631
assuming you

1680
00:49:15,631 --> 00:49:16,760
can create

1681
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,041
access to all of those

1682
00:49:18,041 --> 00:49:23,437
lots. So, uh, uh,

1683
00:49:23,437 --> 00:49:24,306
if after

1684
00:49:24,306 --> 00:49:25,652
subtracting those 20

1685
00:49:25,652 --> 00:49:26,564
acres, you're

1686
00:49:26,564 --> 00:49:31,320
left with 30 acres.

1687
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,588
You can still

1688
00:49:32,588 --> 00:49:34,237
build on these 25 plots

1689
00:49:34,237 --> 00:49:35,853
. You can still

1690
00:49:35,853 --> 00:49:36,954
divide them into 25

1691
00:49:36,954 --> 00:49:37,779
lots, but of

1692
00:49:37,779 --> 00:49:38,743
course they won't

1693
00:49:38,743 --> 00:49:40,119
be two-

1694
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:41,323
acre lots, and that's completely

1695
00:49:41,323 --> 00:49:43,869
allowed. As long as

1696
00:49:43,869 --> 00:49:44,947
the site is

1697
00:49:44,947 --> 00:49:45,613
large enough to

1698
00:49:45,613 --> 00:49:46,406
support a

1699
00:49:46,406 --> 00:49:47,643
septic system or

1700
00:49:47,643 --> 00:49:48,404
some other

1701
00:49:48,404 --> 00:49:50,339
approved method of

1702
00:49:50,371 --> 00:49:51,557
waste management.

1703
00:49:51,557 --> 00:49:52,958
I think there

1704
00:49:52,958 --> 00:49:54,149
is a minimum

1705
00:49:54,149 --> 00:49:55,231
plot size somewhere now.

1706
00:49:55,231 --> 00:49:56,552
That's true, but an acre is more

1707
00:49:56,552 --> 00:49:57,557
than enough.

1708
00:49:57,557 --> 00:49:59,446
Hmm. Oh no. I know it's

1709
00:49:59,446 --> 00:50:00,473
less. This is much

1710
00:50:00,473 --> 00:50:01,494
less than less than.

1711
00:50:01,494 --> 00:50:02,375
But I'm saying there is a

1712
00:50:02,375 --> 00:50:02,948
minimum

1713
00:50:02,948 --> 00:50:03,542
set by

1714
00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:04,452
state law.

1715
00:50:04,452 --> 00:50:05,763
Maybe that's true. I don't

1716
00:50:05,763 --> 00:50:06,720
know. I just

1717
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:07,933
remember seeing it.

1718
00:50:07,933 --> 00:50:09,198
Maybe for the village. I

1719
00:50:09,198 --> 00:50:10,169
think the septic

1720
00:50:10,169 --> 00:50:11,225
system

1721
00:50:11,225 --> 00:50:12,167
is still the determining

1722
00:50:12,167 --> 00:50:13,267
factor in the end, right?

1723
00:50:13,267 --> 00:50:13,663
Well,

1724
00:50:13,663 --> 00:50:14,702
since you might

1725
00:50:14,702 --> 00:50:15,482
have a

1726
00:50:15,482 --> 00:50:16,304
half-acre lot, that's not

1727
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:17,041
entirely

1728
00:50:17,041 --> 00:50:22,331
possible. Um, the other

1729
00:50:22,331 --> 00:50:24,383
part of the city where

1730
00:50:24,418 --> 00:50:25,513
small

1731
00:50:25,513 --> 00:50:26,710
lot sizes apply, the part

1732
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:27,566
we're in right now

1733
00:50:27,566 --> 00:50:28,592
, um, a

1734
00:50:28,592 --> 00:50:29,961
designated rural

1735
00:50:29,961 --> 00:50:30,816
district, um, has

1736
00:50:30,816 --> 00:50:32,869
much smaller

1737
00:50:32,903 --> 00:50:34,495
lot size requirements,

1738
00:50:34,495 --> 00:50:39,776
right? And our theory

1739
00:50:39,776 --> 00:50:41,159
all this time for PUDs and

1740
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:42,399
for preserving, um,

1741
00:50:42,399 --> 00:50:43,640
neighborhoods has been that

1742
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,845
clustered

1743
00:50:44,845 --> 00:50:46,157
housing is better than, um,

1744
00:50:46,157 --> 00:50:47,185
even lots

1745
00:50:47,185 --> 00:50:48,177
spread out over

1746
00:50:48,177 --> 00:50:50,127
long distances. We have a

1747
00:50:50,127 --> 00:50:51,147
lot of them in

1748
00:50:51,147 --> 00:50:52,557
Marlborough. We have a lot of

1749
00:50:52,557 --> 00:50:53,853
rural development.

1750
00:50:53,853 --> 00:50:55,074
Most of the apartment

1751
00:50:55,074 --> 00:50:56,296
buildings in Marlborough,

1752
00:50:56,296 --> 00:50:57,212
as Donald, um,

1753
00:50:57,212 --> 00:50:58,264
pointed out to us, um,

1754
00:50:58,264 --> 00:50:59,417
are situated in such a

1755
00:50:59,417 --> 00:51:00,469
way that they can't

1756
00:51:00,469 --> 00:51:01,827
see their neighbors,

1757
00:51:01,827 --> 00:51:03,320
right? And um, but that's

1758
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,324
unrealistic,

1759
00:51:04,324 --> 00:51:05,006
maybe in the

1760
00:51:05,006 --> 00:51:06,857
future. So, we're

1761
00:51:06,857 --> 00:51:07,596
trying

1762
00:51:07,596 --> 00:51:08,786
to adapt the city to the

1763
00:51:08,786 --> 00:51:09,944
possibility that

1764
00:51:09,944 --> 00:51:11,069
this cluster housing

1765
00:51:11,069 --> 00:51:12,034
could come to

1766
00:51:12,034 --> 00:51:12,966
Marrow at some

1767
00:51:12,966 --> 00:51:16,151
point.

1768
00:51:16,151 --> 00:51:17,219
And even, I

1769
00:51:17,219 --> 00:51:18,021
mean, you don't

1770
00:51:18,021 --> 00:51:19,290
have to look

1771
00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:20,626
at cluster housing

1772
00:51:20,626 --> 00:51:21,795
to realize that, you

1773
00:51:21,795 --> 00:51:22,998
know, even if

1774
00:51:22,998 --> 00:51:24,167
we think about it in

1775
00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:24,835
terms of

1776
00:51:24,835 --> 00:51:26,071
affordability, the

1777
00:51:26,071 --> 00:51:27,407
two-

1778
00:51:27,407 --> 00:51:28,676
acre requirement shouldn't be

1779
00:51:28,676 --> 00:51:29,678
mandatory,

1780
00:51:29,678 --> 00:51:30,480
shouldn't be a

1781
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,549
necessity in

1782
00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:32,785
order to be able to

1783
00:51:32,785 --> 00:51:35,883
live in Marvel. Hmm.

1784
00:51:35,883 --> 00:51:37,605
Can...Yes. Yes,

1785
00:51:37,605 --> 00:51:38,136
please.

1786
00:51:38,136 --> 00:51:39,959
Yes. Because

1787
00:51:39,959 --> 00:51:41,223
actually, um, there are

1788
00:51:41,223 --> 00:51:42,522
already existing lots

1789
00:51:42,522 --> 00:51:43,444
that are smaller than,

1790
00:51:43,444 --> 00:51:44,811
say, two acres that

1791
00:51:44,811 --> 00:51:46,178
are in...that you can...you

1792
00:51:46,178 --> 00:51:46,622
can

1793
00:51:46,622 --> 00:51:47,716
use

1794
00:51:47,716 --> 00:51:48,741
because they already

1795
00:51:48,741 --> 00:51:50,040
exist, because they

1796
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,338
...they are...suitable

1797
00:51:51,338 --> 00:51:52,637
for development, even

1798
00:51:52,637 --> 00:51:53,423
if they don't

1799
00:51:53,423 --> 00:51:54,584
meet the two

1800
00:51:54,584 --> 00:51:55,917
acres, or whatever the

1801
00:51:55,917 --> 00:51:57,284
minimum

1802
00:51:57,284 --> 00:52:00,555
lot size is. But there are

1803
00:52:00,590 --> 00:52:01,973
size restrictions, and I don't know, I don't

1804
00:52:01,973 --> 00:52:02,906
think it's

1805
00:52:02,906 --> 00:52:04,254
related to the septic tank,

1806
00:52:04,254 --> 00:52:05,153
but there's a

1807
00:52:05,153 --> 00:52:06,363
physical restriction somewhere

1808
00:52:06,363 --> 00:52:07,745
that says you

1809
00:52:07,745 --> 00:52:08,955
can't build on

1810
00:52:08,955 --> 00:52:10,303
something, even an

1811
00:52:10,303 --> 00:52:11,686
existing lot that's

1812
00:52:11,686 --> 00:52:12,999
smaller than a tenth of an acre,

1813
00:52:12,999 --> 00:52:13,417
etc.,

1814
00:52:13,417 --> 00:52:14,583
and you say it's a

1815
00:52:14,583 --> 00:52:15,778
state rule or

1816
00:52:15,778 --> 00:52:16,983
not, I think it's somewhere in

1817
00:52:16,983 --> 00:52:18,188
our

1818
00:52:18,188 --> 00:52:19,266
bylaws that I've seen,

1819
00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:20,471
because in a rural

1820
00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:21,486
area you can

1821
00:52:21,486 --> 00:52:22,501
have a central septic

1822
00:52:22,501 --> 00:52:23,484
tank, but you won't

1823
00:52:23,484 --> 00:52:24,723
be limited by the septic

1824
00:52:24,723 --> 00:52:25,909
tank requirements

1825
00:52:25,909 --> 00:52:26,846
that I've never

1826
00:52:26,846 --> 00:52:27,290
seen,

1827
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:28,572
but there's a restriction that the

1828
00:52:28,572 --> 00:52:29,822
lot can't be,

1829
00:52:29,822 --> 00:52:31,329
I think it's 0.18 or something

1830
00:52:31,429 --> 00:52:32,598
in our zoning.

1831
00:52:32,598 --> 00:52:32,985
Ha?

1832
00:52:32,985 --> 00:52:33,710
In our

1833
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:34,350
zoning document.

1834
00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:35,506
In zoning. Yes.

1835
00:52:35,506 --> 00:52:36,881
Good. I think it's in

1836
00:52:36,881 --> 00:52:38,053
the zoning. But in other

1837
00:52:38,053 --> 00:52:38,698
words, there are already

1838
00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:39,592
existing plots that

1839
00:52:39,592 --> 00:52:40,262
you can

1840
00:52:40,262 --> 00:52:41,057
build on, but which are

1841
00:52:41,057 --> 00:52:41,826
too small to

1842
00:52:41,826 --> 00:52:42,795
build on today

1843
00:52:42,795 --> 00:52:43,901
. I mean, you

1844
00:52:43,901 --> 00:52:45,037
can, because they

1845
00:52:45,037 --> 00:52:45,835
exist, but there is a

1846
00:52:45,835 --> 00:52:46,939
minimum

1847
00:52:46,939 --> 00:52:48,167
lot size that is too

1848
00:52:48,167 --> 00:52:49,065
small, I think,

1849
00:52:49,065 --> 00:52:52,267
for building.

1850
00:52:52,267 --> 00:52:55,193
I have to watch this.

1851
00:52:55,193 --> 00:52:56,116
Hmm, I do

1852
00:52:56,116 --> 00:52:57,298
n't have that on

1853
00:52:57,298 --> 00:52:58,318
my pages.

1854
00:52:58,318 --> 00:53:05,475
Sorry. I

1855
00:53:05,475 --> 00:53:06,442
think I expressed something

1856
00:53:06,442 --> 00:53:07,183
incorrectly

1857
00:53:07,183 --> 00:53:08,380
earlier.

1858
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:09,618
I'm currently reading the section

1859
00:53:09,618 --> 00:53:10,857
on conservation

1860
00:53:10,857 --> 00:53:11,791
units.

1861
00:53:11,791 --> 00:53:13,049
The question I

1862
00:53:13,049 --> 00:53:14,307
asked

1863
00:53:14,307 --> 00:53:15,565
Donald earlier, um, and the

1864
00:53:15,565 --> 00:53:17,116
document says

1865
00:53:17,116 --> 00:53:19,544
that no more than 50% of the

1866
00:53:19,544 --> 00:53:20,429
total area of ​​a

1867
00:53:20,429 --> 00:53:21,579
subdivision can be

1868
00:53:21,579 --> 00:53:22,464
used for

1869
00:53:22,464 --> 00:53:23,509
residential lots.

1870
00:53:23,509 --> 00:53:25,213
So it's a 50/50 split, I

1871
00:53:25,213 --> 00:53:26,776
think, that's what we

1872
00:53:26,776 --> 00:53:27,682
got.

1873
00:53:27,682 --> 00:53:28,663
Yes, I think that's

1874
00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:29,429
right.

1875
00:53:29,429 --> 00:53:30,290
I think, uh, I

1876
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:31,669
mispronounced it at first

1877
00:53:31,669 --> 00:53:32,613
.

1878
00:53:32,613 --> 00:53:37,054
Um, um, in the fourth

1879
00:53:37,054 --> 00:53:38,216
segment, there's a segment

1880
00:53:38,216 --> 00:53:38,847
on fees,

1881
00:53:38,847 --> 00:53:40,175
enforcement, and

1882
00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:41,542
fines. It's kind of

1883
00:53:41,542 --> 00:53:42,197
like...

1884
00:53:42,197 --> 00:53:43,134
But do we want to

1885
00:53:43,134 --> 00:53:45,430
check the articles?

1886
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:46,554
Oh, check the third

1887
00:53:46,554 --> 00:53:47,778
article for

1888
00:53:47,778 --> 00:53:48,572
questions from

1889
00:53:48,572 --> 00:53:49,432
the audience or a

1890
00:53:49,432 --> 00:53:50,722
large group of you on

1891
00:53:50,722 --> 00:53:57,497
Zoom. Educational

1892
00:53:57,497 --> 00:54:00,222
question. Uh, does

1893
00:54:00,222 --> 00:54:01,935
that 50% include, uh,

1894
00:54:01,935 --> 00:54:03,838
setback space,

1895
00:54:03,838 --> 00:54:07,530
or is that part of,

1896
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:09,141
um, setback allowance

1897
00:54:09,141 --> 00:54:11,290
, part of that

1898
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:12,899
50% that is

1899
00:54:12,899 --> 00:54:13,295
not

1900
00:54:13,295 --> 00:54:14,589
built on or

1901
00:54:14,589 --> 00:54:17,249
undeveloped? No.

1902
00:54:17,249 --> 00:54:18,874
I mean,

1903
00:54:18,874 --> 00:54:20,596
right. Right.

1904
00:54:20,596 --> 00:54:22,383
I would have a digression.

1905
00:54:22,383 --> 00:54:23,725
This is just talking about the

1906
00:54:23,725 --> 00:54:24,900
land itself, first and

1907
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:26,713
foremost,

1908
00:54:26,713 --> 00:54:28,253
but you can't help but

1909
00:54:28,253 --> 00:54:29,925
consider the retreat

1910
00:54:29,925 --> 00:54:32,832
to your 50%. The setback,

1911
00:54:32,832 --> 00:54:34,007
this 50%, includes

1912
00:54:34,007 --> 00:54:35,135
setbacks from

1913
00:54:35,135 --> 00:54:39,613
construction, etc.

1914
00:54:39,613 --> 00:54:40,719
It's possible that at

1915
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:41,497
some point a

1916
00:54:41,497 --> 00:54:42,574
future review of

1917
00:54:42,574 --> 00:54:43,531
zoning regulations

1918
00:54:43,531 --> 00:54:44,548
will revisit the issue

1919
00:54:44,548 --> 00:54:45,505
of how

1920
00:54:45,505 --> 00:54:46,612
large the setbacks should be

1921
00:54:46,612 --> 00:54:47,509
, but for

1922
00:54:47,509 --> 00:54:48,586
now, they are as

1923
00:54:48,586 --> 00:54:49,793
they are.

1924
00:54:49,793 --> 00:54:50,956
But we have excuses

1925
00:54:50,956 --> 00:54:51,971
for the demands. So,

1926
00:54:51,971 --> 00:54:52,562
excuses

1927
00:54:52,562 --> 00:54:53,920
are different from, um

1928
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,681
, rejections. Refusal is

1929
00:54:55,681 --> 00:54:56,811
possible, and it

1930
00:54:56,811 --> 00:54:57,839
only applies to

1931
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,593
DRB-based waivers.

1932
00:55:00,593 --> 00:55:01,688
You can, but you don't

1933
00:55:01,688 --> 00:55:02,677
have to,

1934
00:55:02,677 --> 00:55:04,054
apply

1935
00:55:04,054 --> 00:55:05,326
to the DRB to have the

1936
00:55:05,326 --> 00:55:06,704
setback revoked because you simply

1937
00:55:06,704 --> 00:55:07,834
prefer to build

1938
00:55:07,834 --> 00:55:09,105
elsewhere. You can't

1939
00:55:09,105 --> 00:55:10,312
do this with denial

1940
00:55:10,312 --> 00:55:11,501
. A refusal that you

1941
00:55:11,501 --> 00:55:11,997
must

1942
00:55:11,997 --> 00:55:13,407
abide by. There are

1943
00:55:13,407 --> 00:55:14,369
five state

1944
00:55:14,369 --> 00:55:15,663
regulations that say

1945
00:55:15,663 --> 00:55:16,592
you can't

1946
00:55:16,592 --> 00:55:17,753
build on the street

1947
00:55:17,753 --> 00:55:18,781
because of these physical

1948
00:55:18,781 --> 00:55:21,765
restrictions. Sometimes it's

1949
00:55:21,765 --> 00:55:22,613
not true, but with

1950
00:55:22,613 --> 00:55:23,674
rejection you can

1951
00:55:23,674 --> 00:55:24,675
do it simply

1952
00:55:24,675 --> 00:55:25,827
because you like this place

1953
00:55:25,827 --> 00:55:26,736
here

1954
00:55:26,736 --> 00:55:27,958
more than this place.

1955
00:55:27,958 --> 00:55:29,944
I understand. Yes. So, I

1956
00:55:29,944 --> 00:55:30,816
understand.

1957
00:55:30,816 --> 00:55:31,787
So, the retreat

1958
00:55:31,787 --> 00:55:33,107
is actually, um, it's a

1959
00:55:33,107 --> 00:55:35,765
condition, but not a strict one.

1960
00:55:35,765 --> 00:55:37,839
Right. And I'm

1961
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:38,891
sure it

1962
00:55:38,891 --> 00:55:40,293
stems from the numerous,

1963
00:55:40,293 --> 00:55:41,450
um, moments where

1964
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:42,537
people wanted to

1965
00:55:42,537 --> 00:55:45,060
put something up. So,

1966
00:55:45,060 --> 00:55:46,470
um,

1967
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:47,903
you know, a garage, a shed

1968
00:55:47,903 --> 00:55:48,989
or something like that on a

1969
00:55:48,989 --> 00:55:50,883
setback,

1970
00:55:50,883 --> 00:55:53,517
and the DRB, um,

1971
00:55:53,517 --> 00:55:54,799
takes into account the needs of the

1972
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:57,170
neighbors and so on. Um,

1973
00:55:57,170 --> 00:55:58,658
anyway, it was,

1974
00:55:58,658 --> 00:55:59,939
um, none of our

1975
00:55:59,939 --> 00:56:04,919
business. Um, I would just like to

1976
00:56:04,919 --> 00:56:06,283
tell Mary that I did

1977
00:56:06,283 --> 00:56:08,510
n't find it. It's

1978
00:56:08,510 --> 00:56:09,718
1/8 of an acre.

1979
00:56:09,718 --> 00:56:11,583
Good. I see, I found it

1980
00:56:11,583 --> 00:56:11,730
.

1981
00:56:11,730 --> 00:56:15,271
You indicated the figure eight

1982
00:56:15,271 --> 00:56:16,234
anywhere.

1983
00:56:16,234 --> 00:56:17,751
Thank you. So I

1984
00:56:17,751 --> 00:56:19,058
mean, regardless

1985
00:56:19,058 --> 00:56:20,292
of whether it's an

1986
00:56:20,292 --> 00:56:21,482
existing lot,

1987
00:56:21,482 --> 00:56:22,809
it's too small to

1988
00:56:22,809 --> 00:56:23,839
build on,

1989
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:26,750
right? And I also have to

1990
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:28,674
correct myself about the

1991
00:56:28,708 --> 00:56:31,222
save sections. One of

1992
00:56:31,222 --> 00:56:31,979
the things we've

1993
00:56:31,979 --> 00:56:33,145
implemented for all the

1994
00:56:33,145 --> 00:56:34,280
major sections

1995
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,352
is a new document

1996
00:56:35,352 --> 00:56:36,330
that goes beyond the

1997
00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:37,212
typical

1998
00:56:37,212 --> 00:56:42,507
survey. And this

1999
00:56:42,507 --> 00:56:43,805
document, its design is

2000
00:56:43,805 --> 00:56:45,103
meant to be a

2001
00:56:45,103 --> 00:56:46,401
place where you

2002
00:56:46,401 --> 00:56:47,667
indicate all the sensitive

2003
00:56:47,667 --> 00:56:48,478
areas on your

2004
00:56:48,478 --> 00:56:52,189
property. So, this

2005
00:56:52,189 --> 00:56:53,497
includes coastal

2006
00:56:53,497 --> 00:56:57,549
retreats. This includes

2007
00:56:57,549 --> 00:56:59,197
wetlands, uh

2008
00:56:59,197 --> 00:57:00,919
,

2009
00:57:00,919 --> 00:57:02,791
winter weathering, uh

2010
00:57:02,791 --> 00:57:04,795
, winter, uh,

2011
00:57:04,795 --> 00:57:07,708
deer wintering areas,

2012
00:57:07,708 --> 00:57:08,296
Uh,

2013
00:57:08,296 --> 00:57:09,574
that's similar to what we

2014
00:57:09,574 --> 00:57:10,956
ask people to do

2015
00:57:10,956 --> 00:57:12,303
if they're going to

2016
00:57:12,303 --> 00:57:13,270
develop outside of the

2017
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:16,595
500-foot

2018
00:57:16,631 --> 00:57:20,480
wildlife overlap zone. We

2019
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,341
asked them

2020
00:57:21,341 --> 00:57:22,490
to do a similar

2021
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:23,710
environmental assessment of

2022
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:25,003
their property, and

2023
00:57:25,003 --> 00:57:26,044
as a document it is

2024
00:57:26,044 --> 00:57:27,443
used, uh

2025
00:57:27,443 --> 00:57:28,843
, for DRB hearings, and so

2026
00:57:28,843 --> 00:57:32,388
will this one.

2027
00:57:32,388 --> 00:57:33,624
So this map will show

2028
00:57:33,624 --> 00:57:34,963
you where you are allowed

2029
00:57:34,963 --> 00:57:36,062
to build, and the rest of

2030
00:57:36,062 --> 00:57:37,160
the land is where you will

2031
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,465
then figure out how to

2032
00:57:38,465 --> 00:57:39,495
place your

2033
00:57:39,495 --> 00:57:41,768
plots. Is

2034
00:57:41,768 --> 00:57:42,618
n't that part of

2035
00:57:42,618 --> 00:57:44,122
usually having

2036
00:57:44,155 --> 00:57:45,463
someone certified do

2037
00:57:45,463 --> 00:57:47,301
the examination? No.

2038
00:57:47,301 --> 00:57:50,522
Who owns this mountain?

2039
00:57:50,522 --> 00:57:51,897
Repeat this again.

2040
00:57:51,897 --> 00:57:52,442
Mary

2041
00:57:52,442 --> 00:57:53,625
doesn't...I...on many

2042
00:57:53,625 --> 00:57:54,913
surveys I've seen

2043
00:57:54,913 --> 00:57:56,200
survey areas

2044
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,602
that indicate, say,

2045
00:57:58,637 --> 00:57:59,990
wetlands or something like that.

2046
00:57:59,990 --> 00:58:02,342
Maybe not, mass

2047
00:58:02,342 --> 00:58:03,579
plantings or anything like

2048
00:58:03,579 --> 00:58:05,949
that. There are things about

2049
00:58:05,949 --> 00:58:06,841
something

2050
00:58:06,841 --> 00:58:08,101
on a certified

2051
00:58:08,101 --> 00:58:09,873
survey. Since

2052
00:58:09,873 --> 00:58:10,874
you bring this up

2053
00:58:10,874 --> 00:58:11,668
, uh,

2054
00:58:11,668 --> 00:58:12,772
wetland identification

2055
00:58:12,772 --> 00:58:13,842
in

2056
00:58:13,842 --> 00:58:15,050
Vermont is a separate

2057
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:15,913
licensed

2058
00:58:15,913 --> 00:58:16,914
specialty of the

2059
00:58:16,914 --> 00:58:19,626
sub-species.

2060
00:58:19,626 --> 00:58:20,816
Oh, and do you really

2061
00:58:20,816 --> 00:58:21,973
intend to require

2062
00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:24,595
people to do this?

2063
00:58:24,595 --> 00:58:25,726
Hire someone for

2064
00:58:25,726 --> 00:58:27,060
this? I mean,

2065
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:28,133
I'm a licensed

2066
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:29,433
land surveyor, but I'm

2067
00:58:29,433 --> 00:58:29,664
not

2068
00:58:29,664 --> 00:58:30,554
certified by

2069
00:58:30,554 --> 00:58:31,290
the state to

2070
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:32,487
delineate

2071
00:58:32,487 --> 00:58:33,447
wetlands.

2072
00:58:33,447 --> 00:58:34,622
Right. If we don't

2073
00:58:34,622 --> 00:58:35,392
want people

2074
00:58:35,392 --> 00:58:36,240
to build on

2075
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,216
wetlands, then

2076
00:58:37,216 --> 00:58:38,090
we'll do it this

2077
00:58:38,090 --> 00:58:39,185
way. That is if the state

2078
00:58:39,185 --> 00:58:40,309
doesn't allow you to get there

2079
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:40,944
.

2080
00:58:40,944 --> 00:58:42,097
We intend to

2081
00:58:42,097 --> 00:58:43,360
do this for large

2082
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,690
developments, and, um, it's

2083
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:45,130
not

2084
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:46,412
entirely clear to

2085
00:58:46,412 --> 00:58:47,194
me.

2086
00:58:47,194 --> 00:58:49,535
For small, and if, a developer

2087
00:58:49,535 --> 00:58:50,954
comes to town and

2088
00:58:50,954 --> 00:58:52,338
buys a

2089
00:58:52,338 --> 00:58:53,438
50-acre site, hmm, it doesn't

2090
00:58:53,438 --> 00:58:54,751
seem like a requirement for them

2091
00:58:54,751 --> 00:58:56,028
to hire someone to

2092
00:58:56,028 --> 00:58:56,915
come in and

2093
00:58:56,915 --> 00:58:57,696
figure out where the

2094
00:58:57,696 --> 00:58:59,044
sensitive

2095
00:58:59,044 --> 00:59:01,014
areas are. Okay,

2096
00:59:01,014 --> 00:59:02,303
this plot analysis

2097
00:59:02,303 --> 00:59:03,334
is on

2098
00:59:03,334 --> 00:59:04,476
page 19, and there are

2099
00:59:04,476 --> 00:59:06,307
nine points there.

2100
00:59:06,307 --> 00:59:06,819
Yes,

2101
00:59:06,819 --> 00:59:08,269
they are identified,

2102
00:59:08,269 --> 00:59:09,454
including the major

2103
00:59:09,454 --> 00:59:11,517
agricultural

2104
00:59:11,517 --> 00:59:13,263
lands that we have,

2105
00:59:13,263 --> 00:59:17,011
some

2106
00:59:17,011 --> 00:59:17,963
people who have

2107
00:59:17,963 --> 00:59:19,153
state licenses

2108
00:59:19,153 --> 00:59:19,457
to

2109
00:59:19,457 --> 00:59:20,135
identify where the

2110
00:59:20,135 --> 00:59:21,057
wetlands are

2111
00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:21,917
.

2112
00:59:21,917 --> 00:59:22,967
How do you even

2113
00:59:22,967 --> 00:59:24,194
know? How can you

2114
00:59:24,194 --> 00:59:25,374
know? You find a

2115
00:59:25,374 --> 00:59:26,424
plant that likes to

2116
00:59:26,424 --> 00:59:27,153
live in

2117
00:59:27,153 --> 00:59:28,809
wetlands.

2118
00:59:28,809 --> 00:59:35,001
When, uh, when, uh, I was

2119
00:59:35,001 --> 00:59:36,232
buying land that

2120
00:59:36,232 --> 00:59:37,607
I owned, I, uh,

2121
00:59:37,607 --> 00:59:38,765
called the

2122
00:59:38,765 --> 00:59:39,634
state and they

2123
00:59:39,634 --> 00:59:40,792
sent someone

2124
00:59:40,792 --> 00:59:42,296
for free

2125
00:59:42,296 --> 00:59:43,682
and I had to

2126
00:59:43,682 --> 00:59:45,242
wait a little while. Yes. But, uh

2127
00:59:45,242 --> 00:59:46,143
, I wanted to make

2128
00:59:46,143 --> 00:59:47,477
sure that the place

2129
00:59:47,477 --> 00:59:48,378
where I was going to

2130
00:59:48,378 --> 00:59:49,387
put my

2131
00:59:49,387 --> 00:59:50,684
house didn't affect the

2132
00:59:50,684 --> 00:59:52,126
wetlands,

2133
00:59:52,126 --> 00:59:53,351
and they came and I

2134
00:59:53,351 --> 00:59:54,576
broke it up, and, uh,

2135
00:59:54,576 --> 00:59:55,622
so there are

2136
00:59:55,622 --> 00:59:56,739
resources available that aren't

2137
00:59:56,739 --> 00:59:57,452
expensive.

2138
00:59:57,452 --> 00:59:58,057
Steeply.

2139
00:59:58,057 --> 00:59:59,270
But you can have a

2140
00:59:59,270 --> 01:00:00,240
long, you know,

2141
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,557
waiting period, and

2142
01:00:01,557 --> 01:00:02,909
I don't think mine was like

2143
01:00:02,909 --> 01:00:04,227
4 months or something

2144
01:00:04,227 --> 01:00:05,522
. But I think

2145
01:00:05,522 --> 01:00:06,832
it's important to note,

2146
01:00:06,832 --> 01:00:07,585
and the regulations

2147
01:00:07,585 --> 01:00:08,862
state that the state will not

2148
01:00:08,862 --> 01:00:09,713
allow you

2149
01:00:09,713 --> 01:00:10,826
to build on land

2150
01:00:10,826 --> 01:00:12,921
that they call

2151
01:00:12,954 --> 01:00:14,231
wetlands, and if they are the

2152
01:00:14,231 --> 01:00:15,311
only ones who can

2153
01:00:15,311 --> 01:00:16,459
identify them.

2154
01:00:16,459 --> 01:00:17,716
We have setbacks that

2155
01:00:17,716 --> 01:00:19,413
follow all the,

2156
01:00:19,413 --> 01:00:21,237
yeah, uh,

2157
01:00:21,908 --> 01:00:25,446
repairman habitats and wetlands

2158
01:00:25,478 --> 01:00:26,736
that we already know about

2159
01:00:26,736 --> 01:00:29,496
in the city. So, it's not like

2160
01:00:29,496 --> 01:00:30,670
, uh, there won't be

2161
01:00:30,670 --> 01:00:31,706
some big

2162
01:00:31,706 --> 01:00:33,052
surprises there, because this is an

2163
01:00:33,052 --> 01:00:34,295
overlap, what's it

2164
01:00:34,295 --> 01:00:38,151
called?

2165
01:00:38,151 --> 01:00:40,622
Oh, wildlife habitat overlap area

2166
01:00:40,655 --> 01:00:41,612
.

2167
01:00:41,612 --> 01:00:43,246
No, not that one. Rivers and

2168
01:00:43,246 --> 01:00:44,752
streams. What is it?

2169
01:00:44,752 --> 01:00:45,614
Oh, the coastal

2170
01:00:45,614 --> 01:00:46,439
environment.

2171
01:00:46,439 --> 01:00:47,099
Coastal

2172
01:00:47,099 --> 01:00:48,327
habitat

2173
01:00:48,327 --> 01:00:49,239
. Is this what we

2174
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:50,687
call inclusion

2175
01:00:50,687 --> 01:00:52,239
?

2176
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,038
Yes, there is a map in the city.

2177
01:00:54,038 --> 01:00:55,249
Number three or number

2178
01:00:55,249 --> 01:00:56,405
four. Maps

2179
01:00:56,405 --> 01:00:57,624
corresponding to the area

2180
01:00:57,624 --> 01:00:59,519
that is located there.

2181
01:00:59,519 --> 01:01:01,015
The slope of the land is something

2182
01:01:01,015 --> 01:01:03,185
we also take into account.

2183
01:01:03,185 --> 01:01:06,447
And, um, would the

2184
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,540
conservationists

2185
01:01:07,540 --> 01:01:08,733
that we might have

2186
01:01:08,733 --> 01:01:10,025
or might have now have the

2187
01:01:10,025 --> 01:01:11,019
right to recognize

2188
01:01:11,019 --> 01:01:13,182
wetlands?

2189
01:01:13,182 --> 01:01:14,840
I would...I would...

2190
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,810
No, that's what

2191
01:01:15,810 --> 01:01:17,198
you just said.

2192
01:01:17,198 --> 01:01:18,294
It's only the state that

2193
01:01:18,294 --> 01:01:19,716
can, actually that's what

2194
01:01:19,816 --> 01:01:21,501
I didn't say. I said the

2195
01:01:21,501 --> 01:01:22,278
state

2196
01:01:22,278 --> 01:01:23,709
can say that,

2197
01:01:23,709 --> 01:01:26,798
right? I said the state

2198
01:01:26,798 --> 01:01:28,079
has a system for, um,

2199
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,359
certifying people

2200
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:30,747
to identify

2201
01:01:30,747 --> 01:01:32,907
wetlands.

2202
01:01:32,907 --> 01:01:38,613
Good.

2203
01:01:38,613 --> 01:01:43,677
Um, okay. If it comes down to

2204
01:01:43,677 --> 01:01:44,997
it, I hear in

2205
01:01:44,997 --> 01:01:46,522
your, um, response

2206
01:01:46,522 --> 01:01:48,007
to this request that, um,

2207
01:01:48,007 --> 01:01:53,690
this is a potentially

2208
01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:55,064
sensitive area that we

2209
01:01:55,064 --> 01:02:00,334
should, um,

2210
01:02:00,334 --> 01:02:01,218
consider,

2211
01:02:01,218 --> 01:02:04,859
review, um, be

2212
01:02:04,859 --> 01:02:06,224
aware of, I would

2213
01:02:06,224 --> 01:02:07,605
say, um,

2214
01:02:07,605 --> 01:02:08,839
I mean I wonder

2215
01:02:08,839 --> 01:02:09,920
if

2216
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,332
we refer this to the

2217
01:02:13,332 --> 01:02:14,683
Election Commission as a

2218
01:02:14,683 --> 01:02:16,052
problem area. Are

2219
01:02:16,052 --> 01:02:17,688
you asking me, Jim?

2220
01:02:17,688 --> 01:02:18,647
Yes,

2221
01:02:18,647 --> 01:02:19,703
because you raised this

2222
01:02:19,703 --> 01:02:20,675
issue.

2223
01:02:20,675 --> 01:02:21,892
No, I don't think this is an

2224
01:02:21,892 --> 01:02:22,873
area that you

2225
01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:24,090
should submit

2226
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:25,341
to the election

2227
01:02:25,341 --> 01:02:26,558
board as a problem.

2228
01:02:26,558 --> 01:02:27,343
Right.

2229
01:02:27,343 --> 01:02:28,655
But I think that should

2230
01:02:28,655 --> 01:02:30,741
be something that the zoning administrator would point out

2231
01:02:30,774 --> 01:02:31,985
: maybe

2232
01:02:31,985 --> 01:02:33,298
you need, if

2233
01:02:33,298 --> 01:02:34,509
you have a piece of land that has

2234
01:02:34,509 --> 01:02:35,855
wetlands

2235
01:02:35,855 --> 01:02:36,830
and you're

2236
01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:38,075
relatively close to

2237
01:02:38,075 --> 01:02:39,286
them, or you want to

2238
01:02:39,286 --> 01:02:40,262
develop it, you

2239
01:02:40,262 --> 01:02:41,339
need to hire a

2240
01:02:41,339 --> 01:02:42,415
state professional

2241
01:02:42,415 --> 01:02:43,728
if you can't

2242
01:02:43,728 --> 01:02:44,871
afford it, and

2243
01:02:44,871 --> 01:02:46,217
many of us can, to

2244
01:02:46,217 --> 01:02:47,294
come and

2245
01:02:47,294 --> 01:02:48,605
do it. This will take

2246
01:02:48,605 --> 01:02:49,945
more time. Well,

2247
01:02:49,945 --> 01:02:51,434
but here's something I have to

2248
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:52,556
admit. When we were

2249
01:02:52,556 --> 01:02:53,839
planning this meeting,

2250
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:54,929
um, one of the things

2251
01:02:54,929 --> 01:02:55,955
we wanted to make

2252
01:02:55,955 --> 01:02:57,109
sure we

2253
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:58,359
mentioned early on

2254
01:02:58,359 --> 01:02:59,289
and often was this

2255
01:02:59,289 --> 01:03:02,088
requirement. I neglected to mention

2256
01:03:02,088 --> 01:03:03,363
this at the beginning of my

2257
01:03:03,363 --> 01:03:04,605
introduction, and Don just

2258
01:03:04,605 --> 01:03:05,444
reminded me,

2259
01:03:05,444 --> 01:03:09,346
saying we

2260
01:03:09,346 --> 01:03:10,092
should be

2261
01:03:10,092 --> 01:03:11,025
upfront about

2262
01:03:11,025 --> 01:03:12,268
it,

2263
01:03:12,268 --> 01:03:13,267
like

2264
01:03:13,267 --> 01:03:14,808
something we added

2265
01:03:14,808 --> 01:03:18,299
to the

2266
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:27,430
um marbos rules. So

2267
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:29,012
I regret not doing

2268
01:03:29,012 --> 01:03:41,307
that.

2269
01:03:41,307 --> 01:03:43,125
Good. Um,

2270
01:03:43,125 --> 01:03:45,622
administration.

2271
01:03:45,622 --> 01:03:46,839
So, where are

2272
01:03:46,839 --> 01:03:47,860
we with the

2273
01:03:47,860 --> 01:03:49,144
segment review

2274
01:03:49,144 --> 01:03:49,625
?

2275
01:03:49,625 --> 01:03:50,928
Uh, are there any questions

2276
01:03:50,928 --> 01:03:51,942
about security

2277
01:03:51,942 --> 01:03:54,417
units? I have

2278
01:03:54,417 --> 01:03:56,267
one.

2279
01:03:56,267 --> 01:03:59,333
Good.

2280
01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:04,147
According to F, section 3.11,

2281
01:04:04,147 --> 01:04:05,377
yes,

2282
01:04:05,377 --> 01:04:07,050
at least 50% must be

2283
01:04:07,050 --> 01:04:08,055
designated as

2284
01:04:08,055 --> 01:04:09,478
protected, uh, and

2285
01:04:09,478 --> 01:04:11,026
I'm afraid our list

2286
01:04:11,026 --> 01:04:12,658
here is not like that, I thought

2287
01:04:12,658 --> 01:04:13,997
we changed that

2288
01:04:13,997 --> 01:04:16,151
list. It says

2289
01:04:16,151 --> 01:04:17,407
easement owned by

2290
01:04:17,407 --> 01:04:17,910
the state,

2291
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:18,821
qualified

2292
01:04:18,821 --> 01:04:19,984
land trust, or

2293
01:04:19,984 --> 01:04:21,209
conservation organization

2294
01:04:21,209 --> 01:04:22,428
. And I think for

2295
01:04:22,428 --> 01:04:23,747
most of the lands

2296
01:04:23,747 --> 01:04:24,736
we're talking about,

2297
01:04:24,736 --> 01:04:25,956
none of those things would be an

2298
01:04:25,956 --> 01:04:28,700
option. So,

2299
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:32,191
we were going to have

2300
01:04:32,191 --> 01:04:35,736
something more like

2301
01:04:35,736 --> 01:04:36,399
something more

2302
01:04:36,399 --> 01:04:37,196
informal, a

2303
01:04:37,196 --> 01:04:38,457
contract submitted to the

2304
01:04:38,457 --> 01:04:40,281
city. Uh,

2305
01:04:40,281 --> 01:04:41,558
what's it called...

2306
01:04:41,558 --> 01:04:42,998
What's it for? I do

2307
01:04:42,998 --> 01:04:44,183
n't remember what you mean

2308
01:04:44,183 --> 01:04:46,765
.

2309
01:04:46,765 --> 01:04:47,957
So we say that

2310
01:04:47,957 --> 01:04:48,623
land that

2311
01:04:48,623 --> 01:04:49,605
is set aside as

2312
01:04:49,605 --> 01:04:50,797
permanent conservation

2313
01:04:50,797 --> 01:04:51,779
land must be

2314
01:04:51,779 --> 01:04:53,181
protected by one of these

2315
01:04:53,181 --> 01:04:58,251
three things. And those three

2316
01:04:58,251 --> 01:04:59,436
things are probably not

2317
01:04:59,436 --> 01:05:00,292
realistic for

2318
01:05:00,292 --> 01:05:02,343
many lands. I don't

2319
01:05:02,343 --> 01:05:03,520
know about the easement that

2320
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:04,827
belongs to the state. I

2321
01:05:04,827 --> 01:05:06,076
don't even know what it is

2322
01:05:06,076 --> 01:05:07,160
unless it

2323
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:08,145
becomes public

2324
01:05:08,145 --> 01:05:09,563
land.

2325
01:05:09,563 --> 01:05:10,385
Qualified

2326
01:05:10,385 --> 01:05:11,451
land trusts

2327
01:05:11,451 --> 01:05:12,639
will not be interested in

2328
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:13,827
every plot here, and the same

2329
01:05:13,827 --> 01:05:14,893
goes for

2330
01:05:14,893 --> 01:05:16,593
conservators. So

2331
01:05:16,593 --> 01:05:17,899
I think we need

2332
01:05:17,899 --> 01:05:18,569
something more

2333
01:05:18,569 --> 01:05:20,308
informal. But, I

2334
01:05:20,308 --> 01:05:21,477
think we can't

2335
01:05:21,477 --> 01:05:22,846
put it on the city.

2336
01:05:22,846 --> 01:05:24,082
No, not a city.

2337
01:05:24,082 --> 01:05:26,062
Wait. We

2338
01:05:26,062 --> 01:05:30,090
were talking about, um, a

2339
01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:32,108
landowners association.

2340
01:05:32,147 --> 01:05:34,427
Homeowners Association.

2341
01:05:34,427 --> 01:05:37,160
Um, who is

2342
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,180
responsible for

2343
01:05:38,180 --> 01:05:40,125
managing this

2344
01:05:40,125 --> 01:05:43,405
land. And you noticed

2345
01:05:43,405 --> 01:05:46,207
that we didn't specify that.

2346
01:05:46,207 --> 01:05:47,585
Yes. If we just

2347
01:05:47,585 --> 01:05:48,942
add something like

2348
01:05:48,942 --> 01:05:49,195
"

2349
01:05:49,195 --> 01:05:50,666
satisfactory",

2350
01:05:50,666 --> 01:05:51,858
right? I think we all

2351
01:05:51,858 --> 01:05:52,552
understand that

2352
01:05:52,552 --> 01:05:53,678
ambiguity, but

2353
01:05:53,678 --> 01:05:54,603
I don't know if there was

2354
01:05:54,603 --> 01:05:55,021
...

2355
01:05:55,021 --> 01:05:56,191
Yeah, I think,

2356
01:05:56,191 --> 01:05:57,645
and also the fact that it has to be

2357
01:05:57,676 --> 01:05:58,624
registered with the

2358
01:05:58,624 --> 01:05:59,541
state in the city

2359
01:05:59,541 --> 01:06:00,748
records, not just...

2360
01:06:00,748 --> 01:06:02,041
I think we might have to

2361
01:06:02,041 --> 01:06:03,335
add those

2362
01:06:03,335 --> 01:06:04,232
two little things,

2363
01:06:04,232 --> 01:06:05,877
because otherwise... Okay. Well,

2364
01:06:05,877 --> 01:06:06,929
that means we

2365
01:06:06,929 --> 01:06:07,950
need to do

2366
01:06:07,950 --> 01:06:08,780
some

2367
01:06:08,780 --> 01:06:10,024
homework before, um

2368
01:06:10,024 --> 01:06:11,368
, it becomes a reality.

2369
01:06:11,368 --> 01:06:12,605
But this shouldn't...this

2370
01:06:12,605 --> 01:06:13,588
should be set aside as a

2371
01:06:13,588 --> 01:06:15,958
separate area. Um, you

2372
01:06:15,958 --> 01:06:17,462
can imagine what

2373
01:06:17,462 --> 01:06:22,247
we were thinking, right? If

2374
01:06:22,247 --> 01:06:23,517
you allocate this land

2375
01:06:23,517 --> 01:06:24,428
, you develop

2376
01:06:24,428 --> 01:06:25,568
small areas in

2377
01:06:25,568 --> 01:06:26,578
one area where

2378
01:06:26,578 --> 01:06:27,782
possible, and then who

2379
01:06:27,782 --> 01:06:28,499
looks after the

2380
01:06:28,499 --> 01:06:29,639
sensitive lands

2381
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:34,405
that are not developed?

2382
01:06:34,405 --> 01:06:35,621
And, um, and who was responsible for that

2383
01:06:35,621 --> 01:06:40,141
? And, the Battleboro language

2384
01:06:40,141 --> 01:06:42,311
was, um, something like a

2385
01:06:42,345 --> 01:06:42,879
state easement, a

2386
01:06:42,879 --> 01:06:43,914
qualified

2387
01:06:43,914 --> 01:06:45,049
land trust,

2388
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:49,818
or a conservation easement.

2389
01:06:49,818 --> 01:06:50,873
Um, and what Patty is

2390
01:06:50,873 --> 01:06:52,375
up to, is what we

2391
01:06:52,375 --> 01:06:53,836
also talked about,

2392
01:06:53,836 --> 01:06:55,419
um, what do you call it

2393
01:06:55,419 --> 01:06:57,019
?

2394
01:06:57,728 --> 01:06:58,837
Homeowners Association.

2395
01:06:58,837 --> 01:07:00,215
Homeowner. What are they

2396
01:07:00,215 --> 01:07:01,296
called, what is it

2397
01:07:01,296 --> 01:07:02,127
called?

2398
01:07:02,127 --> 01:07:05,200
HA. Yeah, actually,

2399
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,383
um, this should be on

2400
01:07:06,383 --> 01:07:07,431
this list.

2401
01:07:07,431 --> 01:07:08,809
Yes. And it's not a perfect

2402
01:07:08,809 --> 01:07:09,853
solution, because

2403
01:07:09,853 --> 01:07:11,145
no, but it's not a perfect

2404
01:07:11,145 --> 01:07:11,730
solution.

2405
01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:12,923
Yes. And they aren't even

2406
01:07:12,923 --> 01:07:13,730
viable

2407
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:15,582
options. So

2408
01:07:15,582 --> 01:07:16,383
I'm trying to

2409
01:07:16,383 --> 01:07:17,111
think about, let's say

2410
01:07:17,111 --> 01:07:18,276
we

2411
01:07:18,276 --> 01:07:19,369
do a big

2412
01:07:19,369 --> 01:07:20,571
division, like, let's

2413
01:07:20,571 --> 01:07:21,918
look at the example

2414
01:07:21,918 --> 01:07:23,084
we gave on

2415
01:07:23,084 --> 01:07:26,694
page 19 or

2416
01:07:26,694 --> 01:07:28,122
maybe better, on

2417
01:07:28,122 --> 01:07:29,030
page 20.

2418
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:30,588
Let's say this

2419
01:07:30,588 --> 01:07:32,265
happens. You

2420
01:07:32,265 --> 01:07:33,395
go in, build

2421
01:07:33,395 --> 01:07:34,388
your property,

2422
01:07:34,388 --> 01:07:35,142
divide your

2423
01:07:35,142 --> 01:07:36,512
property, file a deed

2424
01:07:36,512 --> 01:07:37,779
of land division, everything is

2425
01:07:37,779 --> 01:07:41,772
registered. Someone

2426
01:07:41,772 --> 01:07:42,904
comes after 5

2427
01:07:42,904 --> 01:07:44,177
years and says, "Here

2428
01:07:44,177 --> 01:07:45,556
I have this land that I

2429
01:07:45,556 --> 01:07:48,647
want to divide again." The

2430
01:07:48,647 --> 01:07:49,951
city has a document

2431
01:07:49,951 --> 01:07:56,714
that divided the land. Would

2432
01:07:56,747 --> 01:07:57,524
n't the zoning administrator

2433
01:07:57,524 --> 01:07:58,690
see right away that

2434
01:07:58,690 --> 01:08:00,551
it was in the document?

2435
01:08:00,551 --> 01:08:01,968
It says "no." The

2436
01:08:01,968 --> 01:08:03,090
document does not

2437
01:08:03,090 --> 01:08:04,447
say this. The document

2438
01:08:04,447 --> 01:08:05,506
says this.

2439
01:08:05,506 --> 01:08:07,895
needs to be

2440
01:08:07,928 --> 01:08:10,873
recorded somehow.

2441
01:08:10,873 --> 01:08:14,712
And if we create

2442
01:08:14,712 --> 01:08:15,841
this new designation for

2443
01:08:15,841 --> 01:08:17,118
protected lands,

2444
01:08:17,118 --> 01:08:22,046
right? Um, the deed of

2445
01:08:22,046 --> 01:08:23,218
this land,

2446
01:08:23,218 --> 01:08:24,455
this green part on

2447
01:08:24,455 --> 01:08:25,627
who owns

2448
01:08:25,627 --> 01:08:26,800
this land – it's some

2449
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,483
combination of

2450
01:08:27,483 --> 01:08:32,237
homeowners,

2451
01:08:32,237 --> 01:08:33,911
right?

2452
01:08:33,911 --> 01:08:35,248
And they are present, they are

2453
01:08:35,248 --> 01:08:38,802
prevented from,

2454
01:08:38,802 --> 01:08:40,089
uh, building on this

2455
01:08:40,089 --> 01:08:41,572
land, from building new

2456
01:08:41,572 --> 01:08:43,129
houses,

2457
01:08:43,129 --> 01:08:43,966
only if it is

2458
01:08:43,966 --> 01:08:45,343
registered. Because

2459
01:08:45,343 --> 01:08:46,130
if it's not

2460
01:08:46,130 --> 01:08:47,167
registered, there's

2461
01:08:47,167 --> 01:08:48,425
no one to

2462
01:08:48,425 --> 01:08:49,687
enforce it. Only it's like

2463
01:08:49,687 --> 01:08:50,378
when you

2464
01:08:50,378 --> 01:08:51,430
write something in your

2465
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:52,391
deed of grant, the

2466
01:08:52,391 --> 01:08:53,303
city can't...

2467
01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:54,709
I don't argue. I

2468
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:56,112
see a need for this.

2469
01:08:56,112 --> 01:08:56,700
Good.

2470
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:58,167
I mean, um,

2471
01:08:58,167 --> 01:08:59,409
we don't have that

2472
01:08:59,409 --> 01:09:00,876
stated in

2473
01:09:00,876 --> 01:09:01,622
US law. Patty

2474
01:09:01,622 --> 01:09:02,421
rightly

2475
01:09:02,421 --> 01:09:03,355
pointed that out,

2476
01:09:03,355 --> 01:09:04,385
because it is,

2477
01:09:04,385 --> 01:09:05,526
but we, I think we

2478
01:09:05,526 --> 01:09:06,668
can do it

2479
01:09:06,668 --> 01:09:07,671
pretty quickly with an

2480
01:09:07,671 --> 01:09:08,639
additional, um,

2481
01:09:08,639 --> 01:09:09,816
wording or

2482
01:09:09,816 --> 01:09:13,308
paragraph.

2483
01:09:13,308 --> 01:09:14,513
I'm just trying

2484
01:09:14,513 --> 01:09:15,753
to suggest that when

2485
01:09:15,753 --> 01:09:16,855
someone comes...

2486
01:09:16,855 --> 01:09:18,061
The only person, the only one

2487
01:09:18,061 --> 01:09:19,404
who really has the right,

2488
01:09:19,404 --> 01:09:20,782
is if you're the previous

2489
01:09:20,782 --> 01:09:21,987
owner, the person who

2490
01:09:21,987 --> 01:09:26,245
issued the restriction.

2491
01:09:26,245 --> 01:09:27,457
The city has no right

2492
01:09:27,457 --> 01:09:28,777
to challenge anyone

2493
01:09:28,777 --> 01:09:29,562
who violates

2494
01:09:29,562 --> 01:09:30,668
the restrictions in

2495
01:09:30,668 --> 01:09:31,987
any act, this is the only

2496
01:09:31,987 --> 01:09:33,999
person, the only one

2497
01:09:33,999 --> 01:09:35,189
we experienced this with.

2498
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:36,811
Good. But I think I... I

2499
01:09:36,811 --> 01:09:38,058
have to... I just...

2500
01:09:38,058 --> 01:09:39,146
I'm just trying to

2501
01:09:39,146 --> 01:09:40,078
imagine someone

2502
01:09:40,078 --> 01:09:41,850
walking in and saying to the

2503
01:09:41,882 --> 01:09:42,783
zoning administrator, "Here's a

2504
01:09:42,783 --> 01:09:44,101
piece of land. I want to

2505
01:09:44,101 --> 01:09:46,602
build on it." The

2506
01:09:46,634 --> 01:09:47,533
zoning administrator will be

2507
01:09:47,533 --> 01:09:48,464
aware when

2508
01:09:48,464 --> 01:09:49,074
they review the

2509
01:09:49,074 --> 01:09:50,326
survey and

2510
01:09:50,326 --> 01:09:51,178
deed.

2511
01:09:51,178 --> 01:09:52,530
They won't. They wo

2512
01:09:52,530 --> 01:09:53,686
n't. No,

2513
01:09:53,686 --> 01:09:55,558
they don't look... the

2514
01:09:55,586 --> 01:09:56,534
zoning administrator doesn't look at it

2515
01:09:56,534 --> 01:09:57,108
.

2516
01:09:57,108 --> 01:09:58,871
No.

2517
01:09:58,871 --> 01:09:59,833
Well, it's essentially a

2518
01:09:59,833 --> 01:10:00,511
tax

2519
01:10:00,511 --> 01:10:03,211
liability. I

2520
01:10:03,211 --> 01:10:06,315
mean,

2521
01:10:06,315 --> 01:10:07,616
you're talking about, uh, the

2522
01:10:07,616 --> 01:10:08,741
passage of time, in a

2523
01:10:08,741 --> 01:10:10,078
way, where during the

2524
01:10:10,078 --> 01:10:11,309
first few years after a

2525
01:10:11,309 --> 01:10:12,329
development like this,

2526
01:10:12,329 --> 01:10:13,525
of course, uh, it'll be

2527
01:10:13,525 --> 01:10:14,721
clear that they were

2528
01:10:14,721 --> 01:10:21,620
allocating

2529
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:23,130
the land for the right

2530
01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:24,559
reasons, but you know,

2531
01:10:24,559 --> 01:10:25,988
in 50 or 100 years,

2532
01:10:25,988 --> 01:10:31,135
when, when, uh, when, Tim, well,

2533
01:10:31,135 --> 01:10:37,386
something happens. Uh,

2534
01:10:37,386 --> 01:10:38,713
okay. We will

2535
01:10:38,713 --> 01:10:40,301
work on this. Thank you.

2536
01:10:40,301 --> 01:10:41,759
Uh, let's move on

2537
01:10:41,759 --> 01:10:42,196
.

2538
01:10:42,196 --> 01:10:59,429
Good. Uh, are there any more

2539
01:10:59,429 --> 01:11:02,100
questions from the previous ones?

2540
01:11:02,100 --> 01:11:03,098
We move on to

2541
01:11:03,098 --> 01:11:04,194
article four, which

2542
01:11:04,194 --> 01:11:06,320
defines the nature of the

2543
01:11:07,286 --> 01:11:33,667
zoning administrator's liability. Uh, you know

2544
01:11:33,667 --> 01:11:35,219
, I think, uh, I think

2545
01:11:35,219 --> 01:11:41,273
about this issue of

2546
01:11:41,273 --> 01:11:42,072
appointing

2547
01:11:42,072 --> 01:11:42,976
assistants to

2548
01:11:42,976 --> 01:11:44,333
property, you know, uh

2549
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:45,098
, I think that

2550
01:11:45,098 --> 01:11:46,245
making it clear

2551
01:11:46,245 --> 01:11:47,115
why this land is

2552
01:11:47,115 --> 01:11:48,262
being set aside can make it

2553
01:11:48,262 --> 01:11:49,375
a lot easier for

2554
01:11:49,375 --> 01:11:50,453
future people,

2555
01:11:50,453 --> 01:11:51,531
even if they

2556
01:11:51,531 --> 01:11:52,887
forgot about the act of resistance

2557
01:11:52,887 --> 01:11:54,489
to say "no,"

2558
01:11:54,489 --> 01:11:55,441
but that means,

2559
01:11:55,441 --> 01:11:56,506
but no, they still have to

2560
01:11:56,506 --> 01:11:57,178
have a

2561
01:11:57,178 --> 01:11:58,343
legal way. They

2562
01:11:58,343 --> 01:11:59,664
still have to

2563
01:11:59,764 --> 01:12:01,071
enforce that "no,"

2564
01:12:01,171 --> 01:12:02,617
right? Whether

2565
01:12:02,717 --> 01:12:04,191
it's obvious or not,

2566
01:12:04,291 --> 01:12:04,703
right?

2567
01:12:04,703 --> 01:12:05,745
As Malcolm says,

2568
01:12:05,745 --> 01:12:06,397
sometimes boundaries

2569
01:12:06,397 --> 01:12:07,635
are drawn when it's

2570
01:12:07,635 --> 01:12:10,028
not obvious.

2571
01:12:10,028 --> 01:12:22,353
Good. Um, um, city, uh

2572
01:12:22,353 --> 01:12:23,796
, four is discussing

2573
01:12:23,796 --> 01:12:24,518
appeals,

2574
01:12:24,518 --> 01:12:26,082
enforcement, and

2575
01:12:26,082 --> 01:12:27,165
, uh,

2576
01:12:27,165 --> 01:12:31,146
registration requirements. Um, and

2577
01:12:31,146 --> 01:12:32,050
number five is the

2578
01:12:32,050 --> 01:12:33,058
definition of, uh,

2579
01:12:33,058 --> 01:12:34,274
many of the terms

2580
01:12:34,274 --> 01:12:34,691
that we

2581
01:12:34,691 --> 01:12:35,803
use in

2582
01:12:35,803 --> 01:12:40,937
this document. Um,

2583
01:12:40,937 --> 01:12:41,741
so in this

2584
01:12:41,741 --> 01:12:43,048
rereading I see

2585
01:12:43,048 --> 01:12:44,188
that part of the work

2586
01:12:44,188 --> 01:12:45,227
that we need to

2587
01:12:45,227 --> 01:12:46,401
do, uh, that we

2588
01:12:46,401 --> 01:12:49,326
just discussed.

2589
01:12:49,326 --> 01:12:50,392
Um, can you

2590
01:12:50,392 --> 01:12:51,245
visitors

2591
01:12:51,245 --> 01:12:52,275
help us with

2592
01:12:52,275 --> 01:12:53,697
anything else we might

2593
01:12:53,697 --> 01:12:54,514
need to

2594
01:12:54,514 --> 01:12:55,900
work on before,

2595
01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:59,981
uh, we take this to the

2596
01:12:59,981 --> 01:13:03,443
board of elections? Have

2597
01:13:03,443 --> 01:13:04,554
you gone beyond

2598
01:13:04,554 --> 01:13:05,276
the definitions?

2599
01:13:05,276 --> 01:13:06,347
Um, this is the end.

2600
01:13:06,347 --> 01:13:07,863
We use "

2601
01:13:07,863 --> 01:13:09,004
anywhere" there. "

2602
01:13:09,004 --> 01:13:10,069
Anywhere". No.

2603
01:13:10,069 --> 01:13:11,284
I have nothing more

2604
01:13:11,284 --> 01:13:13,262
to add.

2605
01:13:13,262 --> 01:13:14,377
I'm just curious

2606
01:13:14,377 --> 01:13:15,205
to know the

2607
01:13:15,205 --> 01:13:16,133
definition. We

2608
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:16,895
talked about

2609
01:13:16,895 --> 01:13:18,007
indentations, but we do

2610
01:13:18,007 --> 01:13:19,023
n't have a definition of

2611
01:13:19,023 --> 01:13:20,281
indentation in this. Will

2612
01:13:20,281 --> 01:13:21,460
this be useful?

2613
01:13:21,460 --> 01:13:22,891
I'm not sure. It's in

2614
01:13:22,891 --> 01:13:23,709
zoning.

2615
01:13:23,709 --> 01:13:25,480
Yes, it would be

2616
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:26,983
good to have...

2617
01:13:26,983 --> 01:13:27,949
You noticed something

2618
01:13:27,949 --> 01:13:29,103
before the meeting about

2619
01:13:29,103 --> 01:13:30,226
the number needing to

2620
01:13:30,226 --> 01:13:32,319
be changed, right?

2621
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:33,741
It was, um, the number of

2622
01:13:33,741 --> 01:13:35,127
blocks in the secondary

2623
01:13:35,127 --> 01:13:36,518
and larger ones.

2624
01:13:36,518 --> 01:13:37,800
Okay, let's not forget

2625
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,091
about that. Something needs to

2626
01:13:39,091 --> 01:13:40,178
be changed before we

2627
01:13:40,178 --> 01:13:41,336
add this to the selection. Can

2628
01:13:41,336 --> 01:13:42,586
you tell me

2629
01:13:42,586 --> 01:13:43,868
which page

2630
01:13:43,868 --> 01:13:47,629
this error was on?

2631
01:13:47,629 --> 01:13:48,444
In fact,

2632
01:13:48,444 --> 01:13:49,569
in some places we

2633
01:13:49,569 --> 01:13:51,494
correctly indicated this.

2634
01:13:51,494 --> 01:13:54,442
is at the beginning.

2635
01:13:54,442 --> 01:13:55,605
The four plots for the 5-

2636
01:13:55,605 --> 01:13:56,469
year period

2637
01:13:56,469 --> 01:13:57,400
are on the

2638
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,748
fourth page.

2639
01:13:59,748 --> 01:14:04,629
This is the fourth page.

2640
01:14:04,629 --> 01:14:05,907
Hmm, it's under the main

2641
01:14:05,907 --> 01:14:07,151
divisions, where we

2642
01:14:07,151 --> 01:14:08,498
say, um, divide

2643
01:14:08,498 --> 01:14:09,811
into four or more

2644
01:14:09,811 --> 01:14:12,271
sections.

2645
01:14:12,271 --> 01:14:13,761
Oh, that should be five

2646
01:14:13,761 --> 01:14:13,900
.

2647
01:14:13,900 --> 01:14:15,301
It should be five.

2648
01:14:15,301 --> 01:14:16,501
We missed this.

2649
01:14:16,501 --> 01:14:17,576
You see, that's right

2650
01:14:17,576 --> 01:14:18,539
in the minors, but

2651
01:14:18,539 --> 01:14:19,177
now there were

2652
01:14:19,177 --> 01:14:20,635
four, now there are five

2653
01:14:20,635 --> 01:14:20,773
.

2654
01:14:20,773 --> 01:14:21,978
Then, too, the flowchart may

2655
01:14:21,978 --> 01:14:23,020
need to be changed

2656
01:14:23,020 --> 01:14:24,541
.

2657
01:14:24,541 --> 01:14:25,543
Uh,

2658
01:14:25,543 --> 01:14:26,646
is that right?

2659
01:14:26,646 --> 01:14:28,358
You see, five months.

2660
01:14:28,358 --> 01:14:32,121
Let me take a look. Yes,

2661
01:14:32,121 --> 01:14:33,398
if you have three, then

2662
01:14:33,398 --> 01:14:34,383
three, but it doesn't

2663
01:14:34,383 --> 01:14:36,606
say five.

2664
01:14:36,606 --> 01:14:38,488
Fourth, there are

2665
01:14:38,488 --> 01:14:41,173
four fewer plots.

2666
01:14:41,173 --> 01:14:42,769
So, um, for those

2667
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:44,407
listening to this, we're

2668
01:14:44,407 --> 01:14:45,877
brainstorming, um, for those

2669
01:14:45,877 --> 01:14:50,786
who might call up this

2670
01:14:50,786 --> 01:14:51,962
video and watch

2671
01:14:51,962 --> 01:14:53,170
it, we're looking at

2672
01:14:53,170 --> 01:14:54,187
a few small

2673
01:14:54,187 --> 01:14:57,615
edits. Um, and um,

2674
01:14:57,615 --> 01:14:58,590
now our, um,

2675
01:14:58,590 --> 01:15:00,036
task is to thank

2676
01:15:00,036 --> 01:15:01,265
those who came, and

2677
01:15:01,265 --> 01:15:02,530
then submit this

2678
01:15:02,530 --> 01:15:03,867
document with a few

2679
01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:05,023
changes to the election

2680
01:15:05,023 --> 01:15:10,279
commission. Um, I promise

2681
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:11,335
to attend their

2682
01:15:11,335 --> 01:15:12,504
meeting on Thursday

2683
01:15:12,504 --> 01:15:13,447
night, um, and

2684
01:15:13,447 --> 01:15:14,842
report back on what

2685
01:15:14,842 --> 01:15:16,011
we did that

2686
01:15:16,011 --> 01:15:17,368
evening and provide them with,

2687
01:15:17,368 --> 01:15:18,650
um, any changes

2688
01:15:18,650 --> 01:15:22,925
we make. So I'm

2689
01:15:22,925 --> 01:15:24,177
trying to set aside

2690
01:15:24,177 --> 01:15:25,429
enough time here so that

2691
01:15:25,429 --> 01:15:27,516
we can

2692
01:15:27,551 --> 01:15:28,594
work on

2693
01:15:28,594 --> 01:15:29,951
something for about half an hour, um, so that, um, we

2694
01:15:29,951 --> 01:15:32,475
can do the

2695
01:15:32,475 --> 01:15:35,685
last, final, document

2696
01:15:35,685 --> 01:15:36,670
that we'll submit to the

2697
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:37,906
election commission. And

2698
01:15:37,906 --> 01:15:39,451
then their task is

2699
01:15:39,451 --> 01:15:47,149
to listen, um, and

2700
01:15:47,149 --> 01:15:48,464
see if it's worth

2701
01:15:48,464 --> 01:15:49,433
repeating this

2702
01:15:49,433 --> 01:15:52,447
exercise of their time.

2703
01:15:52,447 --> 01:15:56,221
Yes.

2704
01:15:56,221 --> 01:15:57,312
Um, I think I would

2705
01:15:57,312 --> 01:15:58,779
recommend to them, and with the

2706
01:15:58,779 --> 01:15:59,908
approval of my

2707
01:15:59,908 --> 01:16:01,376
colleagues, um, that they, um

2708
01:16:01,376 --> 01:16:02,504
, take the

2709
01:16:02,504 --> 01:16:03,934
low turnout for this

2710
01:16:03,934 --> 01:16:09,821
meeting seriously. Does

2711
01:16:09,821 --> 01:16:10,655
that mean they

2712
01:16:10,655 --> 01:16:11,370
should really

2713
01:16:11,370 --> 01:16:12,324
try to get

2714
01:16:12,324 --> 01:16:12,968
people to come and

2715
01:16:12,968 --> 01:16:13,802
listen to it, or does that

2716
01:16:13,802 --> 01:16:14,518
mean they

2717
01:16:14,518 --> 01:16:15,400
should say, "Oh,

2718
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,235
well," throw up their hands and

2719
01:16:16,235 --> 01:16:17,188
say, "Well,

2720
01:16:17,188 --> 01:16:18,128
no one's going to come anyway." I

2721
01:16:18,128 --> 01:16:19,403
mean, this is really

2722
01:16:19,403 --> 01:16:20,801
bad. No, I think that

2723
01:16:20,801 --> 01:16:23,355
maybe our job is to

2724
01:16:23,389 --> 01:16:24,770
publicize the fact

2725
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:26,047
that the video, um, um,

2726
01:16:26,047 --> 01:16:27,324
exists, that people

2727
01:16:27,324 --> 01:16:28,359
can

2728
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:28,908
access,

2729
01:16:28,908 --> 01:16:30,658
and that maybe...Okay.

2730
01:16:30,658 --> 01:16:32,114
But no, I'm just saying,

2731
01:16:32,114 --> 01:16:33,373
yeah, I'm not just...

2732
01:16:33,373 --> 01:16:34,404
but, but in a

2733
01:16:34,404 --> 01:16:35,593
way, it's not up

2734
01:16:35,593 --> 01:16:37,132
to us. I just want to

2735
01:16:37,132 --> 01:16:37,988
encourage them

2736
01:16:37,988 --> 01:16:40,571
to keep going.

2737
01:16:40,571 --> 01:16:43,846
Yes. Yes.

2738
01:16:43,846 --> 01:16:46,042
Um, yes.

2739
01:16:46,042 --> 01:16:48,020
OK. And thanks again to

2740
01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:50,832
Brian for the video. Um,

2741
01:16:50,832 --> 01:16:51,707
does anyone want

2742
01:16:51,707 --> 01:16:53,237
to call a recess?

2743
01:16:53,237 --> 01:16:54,630
Offer a break

2744
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:55,664
for open

2745
01:16:55,664 --> 01:16:56,841
session only. And then

2746
01:16:56,841 --> 01:16:57,175
for an

2747
01:16:57,175 --> 01:16:58,273
open meeting

2748
01:16:58,273 --> 01:16:59,176
. Yes, open

2749
01:16:59,176 --> 01:16:59,865
session.

2750
01:16:59,865 --> 01:17:00,889
I announce.

2751
01:17:00,889 --> 01:17:01,759
All in favor?

2752
01:17:01,759 --> 01:17:02,550
OK. We

2753
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:03,540
are adjourning as an

2754
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:04,776
open meeting, and

2755
01:17:04,776 --> 01:17:05,859
now the committee will go

2756
01:17:05,859 --> 01:17:07,065
here and do some work

2757
01:17:07,065 --> 01:17:08,157
. But thank you for

2758
01:17:08,157 --> 01:17:09,759
coming.