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The Village of Martins's Additions

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That's not quite the group. Will'll

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convene in meeting tonight. Come to

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>> Come to order. Thank you. July 16th.

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Uh first thing I want to note, I want to

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thank my colleagues that uh for

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selecting me as council chair for the

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coming year. I'm both honored and

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pleased to uh to accept. Uh second, I

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have to ask the question that I've been

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asking the last several meetings. Why is

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tonight different from all other nights?

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>> Then there's two reasons. One, it's the

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first meeting of the fiscal year of the

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village council. Second, we are going to

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implement a procedure that has been

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forced on me by my village, my council

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colleagues to limit the amount of time

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that residents have in speaking. Uh this

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has come up over and over again in uh

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surveys, in comments uh by council

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colleagues that uh we kind of lost

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control of of comments. Uh I last year I

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was trying to enforce the Gettysburg

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address rule. Abraham Lincoln you uh uh

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delivered thee his address in under

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three minutes. My rule is if you have

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something more momentous to say or more

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eloquent you can do more than three

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minutes. Otherwise there will be a clock

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uh a three-minute clock at the end of

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that three minutes you will

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automatically be muted and the clock

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should appear uh somewhere on your

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screen depending on your what device

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you're using. So with that, we will turn

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first to resident comments.

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>> Do you want to announce the positions of

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the rest of Okay,

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>> that's right. I mean, you're you're a

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big deal, Mr. Chairman. We we have

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positions, too.

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>> As said, every you'll [laughter] have to

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remind me of what you on my left.

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>> That's right.

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>> Your right is Edra Cers.

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>> Mr. Secretary,

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>> who is Secretary?

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>> From now on, please

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>> to my right, remind me. We have Madame

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>> Yes. and find it. I'm at large,

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>> Mr. Atlarge. And to my vacant council

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member here who will be appearing online

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and perhaps physically soon. He is

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continues to be the treasurer. Um,

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anything else I'm forgetting? No. Okay.

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comments. Three minute limits. Uh, and

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we will gavvel you off at that point.

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>> Weather report.

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>> Did you want to do weather report?

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think of what you're going to ask. Oh,

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>> Well, Keith, why don't you start with

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the weather? That's

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>> Keith. Do the weather and then let them

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think about what they're going to say. I

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see Marty's hand is up.

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>> You're not on the clock. I'm not on the

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>> You're not on the clock. Listen, this

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will be This will be under three

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>> What's very important is what I've got

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>> The reason I wear it is because so

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nobody can tell how old I am. [laughter]

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the matter is tomorrow [clears throat]

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is a cold red and could turn into a cold

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quality for everybody, not just for the

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elderly, for people with asthma, for

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people with lung disease, heart

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conditions, for everybody across the

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board. So that's the emphasis today on

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that's coming out of Canada from western

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Ontario, the Canadian wildfires that's

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kept the temperatures down. Hasn't done

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anything for the due point to the

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humidity. That's been tough. But um you'll get

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some relief here over the weekend uh by

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way of thunderstorms which could be

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severe. There could be a lot of power

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outages, down trees, flooding, etc. But

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usually that's what we get when we have

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to break the big heat wave and then next

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>> Low humidity, below normal temperatures.

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the the the smoke, the haze? Is that

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going to dissipate or because the fires

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are ongoing, it's just going to

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something that it'll be out of here. The

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be severe, but we need the rain and we

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need that to disperse the, you know, the

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for yours as always, but if maybe

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to do was introduce our new council

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member, John Zachary, who is attending

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officially his very first meeting as

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>> There he is.

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>> And there's Jean back because what you

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did is you caught the fact that I'm

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supposed to be up before the res.

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>> Thank you, sir.

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>> agenda straight in front of me.

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>> He's still very eager here. [laughter]

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>> We'll take care of that. I'll disappear.

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>> I saw Marty. [laughter]

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>> Mart, what happened to Marty? Her hand

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>> I think we just can't see everyone. The

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>> The timer's in the way. Marty, there you

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go. Uh, unmute. And you have three grand

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>> Okay. Let me start by welcoming John

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Zachary and uh [snorts] uh thanking

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again the members of the election

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committee for their hard work. Can

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everybody hear me? Okay.

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points. First, that three minutes, does

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that include different topics? Because I

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have three minutes worth of questions on

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the ordinance, the ADU ordinance. I have

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minutes of questions on the stormwater

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mission statement.

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disjointed. I would like to know first

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off, uh, will there be an opportunity of

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public hearing for public comments

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separately on the ordinance on the ADUs?

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tonight? We'll be able to speak then.

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three minutes. I think that we only have

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one opportunity a month and residents

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may have more complex things to say than

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can be said in three minutes. I object

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to that as an infringement on voter and

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residents ability to participate. Um,

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that that principled objection on the

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stormwater commission committee

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statement. I think the state mission

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statement needs to be updated in a lot

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of ways. The stormwater committee

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members can be more specific about that.

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still calls it a task force when it's

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now a committee. So I think that needs

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some work. Um and I don't have time to

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go into all the pieces of it. Um on the

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it would be useful to ask more broadly

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what residents think should be in the

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survey, not just give us a sample of

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questions. Um, and I think that again a

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threeminut opportunity is not enough.

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from various neighbors who aren't at the

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meeting but have asked me to ask about

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parking. For example, another issue that

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the tree inventory that the stormwater

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committee recommended. What is the

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process for doing a tree inventory? Can

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Davey, our new tree contractor, do that

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or is that a separate contract? And

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that. So, here's a list of questions. It

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comes out gobbledygook, just all jumbled

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together because I'm now out of my three

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minutes. And I reserve three minutes to

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talk about the ADU ordinance because a

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lot of neighbors also had questions

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seconds to spare. Uh, Elizabeth

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welcome John to you. Uh it's nice to see

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a new face around the table. Um so I had

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the the proposed village investment in

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multi-use municipal property. This would

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be the moment to do that. It was one

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observation. I I think it wouldn't hurt

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to get other people's the the public's

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input on what should be on the

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questionnaire, but one thing I noticed

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was was missing was something more

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explicit on accessibility ADA compliant

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in particular as being uh an important

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you know use of of the of the facility.

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about the office space? was this not

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going to be also the new the location of

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the new office in order to sort of save

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costs down the road from paying for two

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locations. So those were the two

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comments on that. The other one uh on

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the storm water task force I just wanted

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to call to your attention that Yasmina

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had sent in a a uh comment for adding an

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additional statement. This was sent to

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Michael and Art and I think the rest of

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the this afternoon. But uh to we we we and I agree that it needs to be more

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linked into the existing action plan. So

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that that that's sort of the the guide

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the guideline for work to be carried

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out. And it's um it isn't quite clear

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that that the the uh terms of reference

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for the stormwater committee are

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actually carrying out what's in the

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action plan. So she she proposes

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language to link those two a little

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header up top to clarify that the other

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thing about the storm water I wanted to

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mention was we did send comments back on

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the 16th on the this version um and I I

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didn't get any feedback on on one having

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to do with proposed additional bullet on

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communications

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>> uh another one would be has uh

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the we also submitted a a a second piece

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of text on um knowledges, skills,

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experience that would be very useful to

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have when you go out for your call for

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volunteers. There was a list of those

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that I didn't hear whether that was

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going to be considered or added to your

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call. And then finally, I wanted to say

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that the council made it very clear in

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the last meeting that with regard to the

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two key action items on on uh gray

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infrastructure impro improvements and uh

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ordinance um ordinances to support storm

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water management that the council would

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be taking the lead in that. And um

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there's language in this that sort of

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says that the committee would you know

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as needed be consulted. Um we we we

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submit that we're ready and willing to

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be a little bit more than as needed. But

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we also wanted to know what are your

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specifically what are your plans for

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implementing those two areas? What's the

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process going to be? Can we know since

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we were so involved in the proposal and

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all of that? We'd like

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>> Okay. Thank you. Welcome. Uh

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>> let me respond to that quickly. Um the

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uh we do say in the very first paragraph

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that uh uh among its recommendations was

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an action plan which included form uh to

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implement the action. So we're we're

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acknowledging the action plan. Um and uh

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we said that the

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uh uh will be called upon as needed to

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do these other things. I would it's my

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personal view and as I've talked to

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several of my colleagues here uh their

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view as well that we have to educate

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ourselves. We cannot just take the

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recommendations as given. We have to

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educate ourselves to the various

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possible uh regulatory means that other

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communities have used, what their

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experiences have been, what have been

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the benefits and the disadvantages of

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them, but how how have they been in

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implementation? And we have to hear that

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ourselves uh because we're not sure

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uh that the plan recommended by you is

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the best plan. We have to get it into

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our guts before doing that. Yours is at

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the top of the list that was in the

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recommendations. But I think we have to

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educate ourselves and feel comfortable

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that we are going to be when and if we

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do impose really great restrictions on

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the community that we're comfortable

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that we have heard the range of views

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and opinions and benefits and costs and

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advantages and disadvantages of the

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various means of doing it. So we will be

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going out and educating ourselves on

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these issues. Uh so that's my brief

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reply on that. Any other comments from

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anyone? Okay,

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>> Marty has a new hand.

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>> Uh Marty, you have a new hand up that

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>> Yes, a quick question. Uh will residents

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have an opportunity to provide input as

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the council educates itself on the

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recommendations because the bailand

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recommendations and the council and the task force report are quite thorough

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>> and they did talk to many all the other

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towns basically.

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>> Will will the VMA residents have an

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opportunity open forum on this? Martin,

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this is going this is going to involve

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code changes and code changes that will

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affect every resident in practically

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every property. Uh this is going to have

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to go through a full vetting uh of

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residents, experts, uh community. So

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yes, the answer is yes.

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>> Not just three minutes at a council

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meeting, but an actual forum where this

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is discussed, please. Yes.

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>> Yes. At least that. Yes.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay. Um

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Jean,

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unmute, Jean.

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>> Hi. I I I did unmute.

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>> Good. You're on.

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>> Hi, guys. It's nice to see you all. I

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have no idea what you just said, Arthur.

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How in goodness name.

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You must have some ideas to be able to

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say what you just said about how you

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might gather the opinion, share the

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information, and gather it and then

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reshare it. What are you thinking about?

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I have no idea what you're talking

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about.

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>> Okay. What I'm thinking about is

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>> God, knock it off.

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>> Talking to council members in other

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jurisdictions, managers, uh the uh

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building code administrators

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uh to find out what their what the uh

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what they have done and what their

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experience has been. It's it's that

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simple.

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>> Okay.

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>> Uh wait, can I can you still hear me?

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Yes, you're you're still

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>> okay. Good. Good. There's nothing nicer

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than listening to my voice, huh? Um,

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it's that simple. Well, what are the

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questions you're going to ask them?

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>> And how does the how

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>> what is the code? What have what's been

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your experience administering it? What's

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been your experience and results? Uh

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what have been the difficulties, the

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challenges, the benefits, the great

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things that have come?

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>> Okay. So this becomes the responsibility

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of the village manager to put together

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this. How do you how do you see this

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happening?

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>> Uh using telephone calling up somebody

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uh the village manager of Somerset, the

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former mayor of Somerset. Uh

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>> there are there are some rules m doc Mr.

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Bolt I was going to say do Dr. Bolt uh

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public information open blah blah. We

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don't worry about that. Okay. Right.

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I mean I don't know

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>> to inform ourselves as to how other

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jurisdictions have dealt with this issue

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and this challenge do is that's the

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question Jean

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>> whether that

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>> Yeah.

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I guess

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>> I mean I I defer to our council uh SEO

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um as to whether we are permitted to to

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uh canvas the area and and colleagues in

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other jurisdictions to ask them about

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their experiences. I don't I don't see

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that as a

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>> their experience with what

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>> addressing these infrastructure

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challenges

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>> storm water management management.

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>> Yeah, that's permissible. The Open

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Meetings Act would not apply unless a

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quorum was doing that at one time.

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>> And where do the questions come from?

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>> Well, the questions come from I mean I'm not sure there's there's there's It

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sounds like almost like a trick

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question, but we have reports, we have

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conversations, we're hearing from

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residents and their challenges in

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various homes. I mean, that that will

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create a list of questions that that we

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would want to address before moving

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forward. Yeah.

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>> on decisions and getting input from the

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community, getting input from our

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colleagues, from Ron's experience with

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his other clients.

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>> Um, I think all of the above, Jean,

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questions you might have that we would

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want to, you know, use as well, uh, and figure out.

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>> Well, I I I guess I look forward to

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that. I I I'm thoroughly confused about

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what you're talking about, but I look

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forward to having an opportunity to uh

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interact with your outcome with with your proposal. Okay. So, thanks,

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guys.

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>> Okay.

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Um, I can't see. Is there are there any

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more hands up?

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» Okay. I

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>> already have a third hand.

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>> You don't get three. You don't get

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three.

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>> Different different question entirely.

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>> Different question entirely. It seems to

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me that that what you're talking about,

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Arthur, is is uh duplicative because the

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task force did in fact survey the local

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jurisdictions and there's a lot of

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information in the reports about what they're doing and how it works.

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That's already there.

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>> You're right, Marty. That's correct. Uh

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I think we just cannot accept uh blindly

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what they said. We have to go out and in

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a way relearn for ourselves. Uh building

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on building on that foundation.

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>> Thank you. Any more questions? No.

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Okay. Uh w with that we will move to the

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next item on the agenda.

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Uh the storm water committee mission

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statement. Uh there were several places

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three places where we said uh task force

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rather than committee that will have to

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change. And the question is um is this

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broad enough to meet what the committee

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would like but also maintain that the uh council

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essentially the committee is working for

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the community for I think I say up here

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for the residents for the manager and

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for the council uh and uh

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there's an very open statement the

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committee's principal job will be to

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assist the council, village manager and

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residents in the following areas and

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other subjects that may arise. Um I

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don't know if we have to be more

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explicit about anything. Any comments

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from uh

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council colleagues on revisions?

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>> I think with with the changes uh the

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task force to committee I think it looks

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good.

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>> I I agree. Okay. Okay. Are we ready to

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adopt it then? Uh

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>> yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> I'll move to adopt.

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>> Okay.

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>> Second.

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All in favor?

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>> I.

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>> Okay. Okay.

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>> Jeff has joined. So

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>> I

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>> Okay. Thank you, Jeff. Welcome.

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Where Jeff, are you physically in this

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country?

517
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>> I am. And uh if the meeting goes a bit

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longer, I'll physically be there. So

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I'll see you soon.

520
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>> We'll be looking for you. Thank you.

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>> Okay. Um, okay. Now we move to the uh

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consideration of the accessory dwelling

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unit uh ordinance. This is in the

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packet. Uh there's a lot of wherees

525
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and the uh the

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new language uh can be found if you're

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looking at your packet on page five with

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the deletions from former the current

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code and the underlined additions to the new edition. So Ron, could you

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walk us through that?

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>> Yeah, absolutely. So just to reiterate,

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we did introduce this ordinance at the

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May meeting and this is being proposed

534
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in order to comply with state law. So,

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as you all will recall, in the 2025

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regular legislative session, the state

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passed a law preempting local

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regulations that impose stricter

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setbacks from the rear and sidelot lines

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on accessory dwelling units that a

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jurisdiction may have that are greater

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than that for other accessory buildings

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like sheds and detached garages. The

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state law says you can't have different

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setbacks for a detached garage and an

546
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,400
ADU. The ADU has to be afforded the same

547
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,720
setback. So years ago, after the

548
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,600
Montgomery County Council changed its

549
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,240
zoning code to allow accessory dwelling

550
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,600
units in residential zones, the Village

551
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,000
of Martins's editions updated its code

552
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,200
to provide that all dwellings should be

553
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,679
subject to the same setbacks. So a main

554
00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:13,600
building and an accessory dwelling unit

555
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,320
would have the same setbacks. But under

556
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,200
this new state law, that cannot be

557
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,520
maintained. we have to amend the code to

558
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,280
eliminate the stricter setback for the

559
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,559
ADU. So what is proposed here is to

560
00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,480
delete the language that was added a few

561
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,440
years ago to say that ADUs are subject

562
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,000
to the same setbacks as the main

563
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,320
building and instead to incorporate a

564
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,440
setback modifier that is currently used

565
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,720
by McGomery County. And so the code

566
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,720
would provide that the the basic default

567
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,000
setback from the rear lot line and side

568
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,000
lot line for any accessory building is 5

569
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,080
ft. But once that accessory building is

570
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,360
gets taller, taller than 12 feet or

571
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,320
wider, wider than 24 feet, the setback

572
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,600
increases by 1 and 1/2 ft for every foot

573
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,760
over 12 ft of height or over 24 ft of

574
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,120
length. And that modifier or additional

575
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:23,760
setback is cumulative. So, if you're,

576
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,240
you know, 13 feet tall and 20 feet 25

577
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,200
feet wide, then you have to have an

578
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,360
additional three feet of setback from

579
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,480
both the rear and the side lot lines.

580
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,760
Um, the state law also says that this

581
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,520
preeemption applies for accessory

582
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,120
dwelling units that are up to 75% of the

583
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,600
size of the main building. So, we've

584
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,520
also added a statement in here that that

585
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,280
says ADUs can't be larger than 75% of

586
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,360
the main building.

587
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:00,640
And that is the the current approach.

588
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,360
Um, also in the in the current draft,

589
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,360
we're proposing, but this is up for

590
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,080
discussion, to delete the requirement

591
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,400
that an an accessory dwelling unit have

592
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,760
two dedicated parking spaces on the lot.

593
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,039
The state law says you can have special

594
00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:21,760
parking restrictions for AD use, but if

595
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,000
you do, you have to have a parking study

596
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,240
performed and that the parking study has

597
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,679
to take certain things into

598
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,880
consideration in order to to justify

599
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,799
that statement. So, if that statement

600
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:36,480
were to stay in, we'd have to commission

601
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,320
that parking study. and the state law

602
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,520
provides that we have to have the law on

603
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,919
the books by October 1 of 2026.

604
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:52,640
So that is why we are doing this now.

605
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,240
The code of course can be further

606
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,159
modified in the future with respect to

607
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:02,400
parking requirements, but the state law

608
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,200
does say you have to have your setbacks

609
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320
in place by October of 2025 because as

610
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,799
the state law is written, it says in the

611
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,480
future, you can't impose a a setback on

612
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,279
an ADU that's larger than the setback

613
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:20,960
that is established before this deadline

614
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,720
for other types of excess. accessory

615
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,679
buildings. So, that's my summary. Happy

616
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:27,520
to answer any questions the council may

617
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,080
have.

618
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,679
>> Okay. Ron. Yeah. Um th this rule would

619
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,840
apply to

620
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,080
um garages, uh garden sheds, anything

621
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,039
else. It's it's uh accessory dwelling

622
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,200
units and other structures. Right.

623
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,360
>> Correct. Correct.

624
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,240
>> Okay. I also want to point out and then

625
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,200
we I see a number of questions up there

626
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,919
that the parking requirement that's in

627
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:57,440
the code now is anomalous uh in our

628
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,039
code. We have no other parking

629
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,919
restrictions for any size house uh

630
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,559
number of residents, number of cars

631
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:07,840
owned or anything else. uh and uh Ron

632
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,120
has provided a a summary of many of the

633
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,600
other jurisdictions, many of which have

634
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,159
removed the parking restrictions from

635
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,240
the new code. So I see

636
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,320
>> I just question and then we'll go to

637
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Jeff. Sorry, Jeff.

638
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,400
>> Can you remind us uh have there been

639
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,440
size limitations uh for these units in

640
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400
the past? Because 75% not greater than

641
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,960
that sounds very generous but 75% of

642
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,880
existing structures sounds like a huge structure.

643
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,039
>> Yeah. And it's it's not just 75% of

644
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,039
existing but if you were have the a tear

645
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,840
down in in a new build you could have a

646
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960
new house and an ADU that's up to 75% of

647
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,000
the

648
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,559
>> of the main building. But but you know

649
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,200
that size is going to be limited by the

650
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,279
setbacks.

651
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,720
>> Unless you have a huge property. Not

652
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,159
only the setbacks, there's also the

653
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,080
building lot coverage. And I did check

654
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,520
with our building per administrator

655
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,279
today. The accessory structures count at

656
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,360
towards that total lot coverage of

657
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,120
building lot coverage.

658
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,000
>> Yes.

659
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,470
>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Jeff,

660
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,080
» hello. Can you hear me? Okay.

661
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,520
>> Yeah, you're on.

662
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,919
>> Awesome. Um, this is just a process

663
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:21,520
question and then I may have some

664
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,559
content related uh later, but process

665
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,760
question. So this is uh we need to have

666
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,200
something on the books by October. Uh we

667
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,640
are now uh July. We have recess in

668
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,880
August. So I just want to point out the

669
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,279
fact that really we need to have this

670
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,279
adopted in the September meeting. And

671
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,520
the reason why I'm mentioning it, it's

672
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,120
not to try and punt this. It's there's a

673
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,279
bunch of really important information

674
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,320
that just filtered in hours before the

675
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,039
meeting. I believe we are still looking

676
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,440
to have more and further information

677
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,840
come in regarding parking studies,

678
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,399
things like that. And we also had some

679
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,240
residents submit, I think, some very

680
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,120
thoughtful questions and proposals. So,

681
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,919
I want to just put out there that first

682
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,000
I think we should discuss this tonight.

683
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Absolutely. Let's have that discussion

684
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,760
now uh as as it's on the agenda. But I

685
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,919
for one um I I I'm not ready to vote on

686
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,679
this with all the information that's

687
00:28:23,679 --> 00:28:26,000
just come in today. And

688
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,399
>> information

689
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,919
>> I see no there's no pressure to because

690
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,240
we need to have this adopted in

691
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,640
September for the October meeting.

692
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,960
>> What what information came in today?

693
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
>> Oh, you would if you would like me to

694
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,320
read it out to you, I would be

695
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,240
delighted. Uh just if refer what what

696
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,039
>> I'm No, you since you asked I will uh

697
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,840
because I received several emails from

698
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,360
our manager and residents this morning

699
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,960
specific to uh information on this

700
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,480
particular amendment with uh technical

701
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,679
drawings or looking at scenarios and as

702
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:07,840
you know Arthur very well we are still

703
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,399
outstanding on information specific to

704
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:13,200
parking study information And I see

705
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,520
absolutely zero reason or pressure for

706
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,240
us to have to go into a vote this

707
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,640
evening since we're actually going to go

708
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,399
into recess and then we'll have a

709
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,159
meeting in September. Why don't we just

710
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,960
do that? Take the time, have an uh

711
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,919
ability to review this information. And

712
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:31,520
personally, I'd like to have a

713
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,760
discussion with our new uh technical

714
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,159
engineer, which I had asked and haven't

715
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:41,520
had yet to talk about this. So there you

716
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,000
go. I'm one vote. I'm one council

717
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,320
member. But again, I see no reason to

718
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,120
need to rush this tonight. We have a

719
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,919
September meeting and we can pass this

720
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:53,840
in October. And that'll give plenty of

721
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,200
time to review the additional

722
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,039
information. Over.

723
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,640
>> Well, you know, this has been on the

724
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,039
agenda now for several months. Uh I

725
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,080
think first April or May. So, uh, so

726
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,640
it's

727
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,320
>> Arthur, you haven't addressed the

728
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,320
question, which I said is it may have

729
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,080
been on the agenda, but there's a

730
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,080
plethora of information that first came

731
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,480
in hours before this meeting, and

732
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,360
there's absolutely zero reason why we

733
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200
need to vote on it tonight. And I'd like

734
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,360
to understand why you feel we need to

735
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,200
vote on it tonight other than the fact

736
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,440
it's been on the agenda since May. Over.

737
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Uh,

738
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
>> can I just note that under your charter,

739
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320
an ordinance takes effect 20 days after

740
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,520
adoption.

741
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640
>> So if you did adopt in September, it

742
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,720
wouldn't take effect before the October

743
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720
one deadline.

744
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,840
>> Yeah.

745
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,640
>> But Ron, you said 20 days. Is that

746
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,520
correct?

747
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,399
>> Yes.

748
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:48,399
>> So that means we would simply have to

749
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:51,440
have the date of maybe September 8th or

750
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,039
9th for that meeting

751
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,120
>> because we're in recess in August. So,

752
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,600
we can have it. We would just need to

753
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
shift the date earlier, which wouldn't

754
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,840
be much of an issue simply because we

755
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,440
didn't have a meeting in August. So, we

756
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,039
could certainly have the September one a

757
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:06,240
little bit earlier.

758
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,360
>> Right.

759
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760
>> Marty, uh, you have your hand up.

760
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,520
>> Yes. Thank you for the opportunity to

761
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
comment specifically on this. I have one

762
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,840
question and then a couple of comments.

763
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000
I'll try to keep it short. Under number

764
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,679
five, where the accessory dwelling unit

765
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:21,840
may not be greater than 75% of the size

766
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,200
of the main building.

767
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,000
>> Yeah. Um, is that square footage in

768
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000
terms of lot coverage or square footage

769
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,760
in terms of the size of the what what's

770
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,279
size of the main building? I mean, we

771
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:32,559
have people who have houses that are

772
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,840
3,000 4,000 square ft total footage, but

773
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,360
that's not the same as lot coverage.

774
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,440
What does the word size mean there?

775
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,720
>> Yeah, it's a great question, Marty. And

776
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,880
this is exactly

777
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,760
from the state law. And to be perfectly

778
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,440
frank with you, I'm not quite sure what

779
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,200
it means, but it gives us the

780
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,760
flexibility for us to interpret and

781
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,519
decide what 75% means, but for the, you

782
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,279
know, this is the requirement of the

783
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:03,200
state, 70 75% of the size. So, it's not

784
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,320
clear whether that is height, mass,

785
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,399
square footage, you know, foot

786
00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:10,559
footprint, you know, what have you. Um,

787
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,159
we're going to have to interpret that

788
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:14,000
when the time comes.

789
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,600
>> Thank you, Ron. That's very helpful.

790
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,120
Now, next question.

791
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640
>> Um, maximum lot coverage of permeable or

792
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,799
non-permeable surfaces has been a

793
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,720
continuing issue that the water task

794
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,240
force of course has addressed in great

795
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,679
detail and that other towns have

796
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,399
addressed. And how does this affect is

797
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,039
there is there a limit anywhere in terms

798
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,679
of the total maximum lot coverage of

799
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,440
imperial services? I'm including

800
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,760
sidewalks and and driveways, you know,

801
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,679
and any not just the building footprint

802
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:44,159
itself. What's the maximum lot coverage?

803
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:44,559
Yeah,

804
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,799
>> this sounds to me have 90% of the lot

805
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:47,600
covered.

806
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,720
>> Sure. Another great question and the

807
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,640
state law, you know, Mark from the storm

808
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,399
water task force sent in an email with

809
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,640
lots of suggestions and and I would say

810
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,039
that yeah, a lot of those suggestions

811
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,120
are great and and things to think about.

812
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,519
The good news is the state law only

813
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,039
preempts us with respect to setbacks in

814
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,600
the future when we sit down to talk

815
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,600
about our new storm water regulations if

816
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,519
any and what we're going to do there.

817
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,919
And if we impose lot coverage

818
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:19,760
requirement, you know, permeable surface

819
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,600
coverage requirement, we can do that in

820
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,919
the future. We just have to have the

821
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,080
setbacks in place before the October

822
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,399
deadline. Currently in the Martins

823
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:30,559
Editions code, we do have a

824
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,519
non-vegetative surface limit for things

825
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,760
in the front yard. We we currently don't

826
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,720
have a limit or for non-imperous or I'm

827
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,559
sorry, non-vegetative

828
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,480
elsewhere in the other yards, but that's

829
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,000
something that can be studied in

830
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,919
connection with the the storm water

831
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:47,039
work.

832
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:48,720
>> That that's really helpful. Thank you,

833
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,679
Ron. Next question. this new information

834
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,720
that you're talking about, Jeff. Um, I

835
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,080
think that would be really important to

836
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,919
share with the community. People are

837
00:33:57,919 --> 00:33:59,360
really concerned about this from what

838
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,480
I've heard. Um, it will affect basically

839
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,440
almost every landowner here. And I think

840
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,200
that that it's important to get that

841
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,720
information out. And again, I'm looking

842
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,200
at public forum or some kind of public

843
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,599
information function here to really let

844
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,200
people have an opportunity to see what

845
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
you're talking about because I, for one,

846
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,639
have not seen the new info. It sounds

847
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,599
like it's very important. And so there

848
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,520
are lots of questions here. One of them

849
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560
is what's the new info say? And what is

850
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,000
the plan to in include community input

851
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,760
on this? I understand, Ron, we got to do

852
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,079
something before October 1st. But I

853
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,560
think that that the whole question of

854
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,399
the building code needs to be done in a

855
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,879
very public way. And my question to the

856
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,200
council is what is the plan for public

857
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,200
process here?

858
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,639
>> Well, can I just a public hearing right

859
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,399
Can I just chime in? Just a couple of

860
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,000
things, Marty. First of all, I'm not

861
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,560
100% sure what new information Jeff was

862
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,919
referring to. I haven't been up to date

863
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:56,560
on my emails, but number one, this is a

864
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,720
public hearing, a public uh an

865
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,560
opportunity for the public to speak. But

866
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,079
number two, also, this is not something

867
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,320
we're creating and and it's not like one

868
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,599
of these things where the council came

869
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,560
up with some some idea out of the blue

870
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
to to create this this this ordinance,

871
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,359
this code change, the rules, whatever.

872
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,760
We have to abide by state law. So, I

873
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,079
agree with with Jeff. There is no need

874
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,640
to vote on it today. There really isn't.

875
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,560
September 10th is a Thursday. We could

876
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,760
meet on September 10th. Um if if if it

877
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,280
works for other council members and the

878
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,680
manager, um that gives us exactly 20

879
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,359
days until October 30th. Um and uh and

880
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:35,119
we can continue these conversations, but

881
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,119
this is as you know as public and we

882
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:45,920
we've done this before um uh where we put something on agendas and talk about um having having uh

883
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,160
having a public discussion and and

884
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,480
hearing uh before adopting a new

885
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,320
ordinance. So this this is and we'll I

886
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,839
guess if people agree we'll have another

887
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:54,800
one in September.

888
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,320
>> Uh so I I like well taken Andrew. I I

889
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,079
think though what I will say is like the new information came in is like Mark

890
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,720
Schaefer's thoughts on this like the

891
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,440
there are multiple issues at play here

892
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,240
and if I understand you correctly Ron

893
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,800
like we don't need to make decisions on

894
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,359
parking or permeability of surfaces or

895
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:17,359
like what we do with anything. We just

896
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:19,119
have to make a decision on setbacks

897
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,599
which this would allow us to do. We can

898
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,440
then

899
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,240
decide later on oh maybe we do need to

900
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,640
look at parking. let's do that. Oh,

901
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,560
maybe we do need to address surface

902
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,920
areas and things. We can do that. All of

903
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,359
the things that came in today do not

904
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:34,800
actually have to deal with setbacks.

905
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
They deal with other things. So, I like

906
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,119
I I if we need to vote in September,

907
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,839
that's fine. But I I'm perfectly I am

908
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:44,079
perfectly content to vote today on the

909
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,240
issue at hand and then we can have

910
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,599
discussions down the line around the

911
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:49,119
other issues that came in because none

912
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,800
of them are related to setbacks

913
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,640
specifically and whether or not we have

914
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,440
them. are about other issues that we

915
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,560
could and need to address like may need

916
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,640
to address but they are not about the

917
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,640
setback rule specifically.

918
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,040
>> Correct. And and and in response to that

919
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,599
I would also say to add on to what you

920
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:11,200
said. So Mark Schaefer submitted you

921
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,640
know six or so recommendations to to

922
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,839
address ADUs in other areas. If we were

923
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,560
to adopt any of those, we would have to

924
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,599
write a new ordinance and introduce a

925
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,040
new ordinance and that, you know, that

926
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,560
restarts the clock and then it's a

927
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,119
three-month process all over again,

928
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:29,520
>> right?

929
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,400
>> So, we really don't have time to to get

930
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,480
into all of these other ideas right now,

931
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,560
frankly. But we have but we have the

932
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
flexibility as a council once we comply

933
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,320
with state law and pass this ordinance.

934
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,040
We have the flexibility as a council to

935
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,119
engage with residents for an additional

936
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,160
public hearing or hearings to talk about

937
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,800
those other issues that that are not

938
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,520
necessary for us to vote on right this

939
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,680
moment because there is a state law

940
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,440
pending deadline that we have to

941
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:00,320
address.

942
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,119
>> Right. And and the critical issue is

943
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,119
setbacks. And the the really critical

944
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,800
issue is you have to establish the

945
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,000
setbacks you want by October 1. You

946
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,200
can't make the setbacks stricter

947
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,359
for ADUs in the future.

948
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,680
>> So it it's a poorly written state law,

949
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760
but you know it suggests in the future

950
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,359
you can't even change the setbacks for

951
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:27,680
ADUs. You can't make them stricter than

952
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,440
those that were established as of

953
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,400
October 1, 2026. So, you know, the key

954
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,599
issue is what should the setback for

955
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:37,920
accessory buildings be? Should it be 5

956
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,720
ft with a modifier as what we've

957
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,079
proposed? Should it be, you know, 20 ft

958
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,800
from the rear for every building? You

959
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,440
know, that's probably too restrictive.

960
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,240
Um, but yeah, that that's that's the

961
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,079
critical issue

962
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,160
and you you can get into the other

963
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,839
issues later.

964
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:01,119
>> Okay. Uh Jeff, is that a new hand up?

965
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,359
>> Yeah, it's new. I just want to make a

966
00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:05,520
clarification and uh welcome to our new

967
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,640
council member. First meeting, first uh

968
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,520
jumping direct directly into the fire. I

969
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,599
just want to point out, and correct me

970
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,119
if I am incorrect, but if I recall, I

971
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,440
saw an email that came in this afternoon

972
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,320
that had been forwarded from our manager

973
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,200
with information from Ron that actually

974
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,760
went into technical drawings.

975
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960
in addition to uh some of the resident

976
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,599
comments and also we still have some

977
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,160
outstanding information that we expect

978
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,960
to have on the parking study data. So, I

979
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,280
just want to be very clear. This is not

980
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,119
simply the idea that we had gotten

981
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,520
comments in from Mark, and I do

982
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,200
appreciate his thoughtful comments, but

983
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,800
this is that we had just gotten the

984
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,400
technical drawings in.

985
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,520
>> Jeff, that that the like the to the

986
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,200
point the parking thing, we don't have

987
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,240
to talk like that is not like we could

988
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,560
go back and amend it later. So, we can

989
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,480
take that out today and then we could

990
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,240
next meeting be like, just kidding, that

991
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:06,560
was a bad idea. Let's let's figure out

992
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,000
parking and commissioner parking study.

993
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,599
There's nothing preventing us from doing

994
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,800
that. So like like I hear you, but we we

995
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,720
can just

996
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,680
>> discuss that later.

997
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,599
>> And were those techical

998
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:19,119
>> related to parking or what were the

999
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:20,240
technical

1000
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,560
>> No, but okay, we can agree to disagree

1001
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,599
on that because I feel uh removing a

1002
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,240
parking requirement that we have is not

1003
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,920
in the best interests of our our

1004
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,760
residents. But with that said, the other

1005
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,720
point I was making, Ron, please correct

1006
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,720
me if I'm wrong, but I think the exhibit

1007
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,119
that you shared today was not solely

1008
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,280
based upon parking. Is that correct? You

1009
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,599
provided some uh technical drawings for

1010
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,800
us around uh various possibilities based

1011
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,079
upon criteria.

1012
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,440
>> So yeah, I I I prepared a drawing, Jeff,

1013
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,599
to satisfy your request. I hope it

1014
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,200
satisfies your request to to illustrate

1015
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,880
what the ordinance would do with respect

1016
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,440
to setbacks. So it I don't know if we

1017
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,200
can put the drawing on the screen for

1018
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,920
everybody. Let me see. Is that is the

1019
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,839
drawing in the packet, Michael?

1020
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:13,520
>> It's not, but I have it right here on

1021
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,240
screen.

1022
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,520
>> Yeah,

1023
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,480
>> saw Tuesday.

1024
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:17,280
>> There's the drawing.

1025
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,000
>> Yeah.

1026
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,720
Um Jeff, I showed you this on

1027
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,000
Tuesday.

1028
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,800
>> Yeah. So, so what my drawing shows,

1029
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,400
could you hold that up there, Michael,

1030
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,640
just so for the benefit of everybody

1031
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,280
else, I would I would do a screen share,

1032
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,319
but this is this is quicker. Okay. So,

1033
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:35,040
thank you,

1034
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,960
>> Ron. Ron, one one thing before you go,

1035
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,640
and thank you so much as I thanked you

1036
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,480
during our meeting, which was a closed

1037
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,680
administration meeting. Uh, this this drawing has not been included in

1038
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,599
the packet. Is that correct? So, any

1039
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:49,119
residents who are on this call right

1040
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:50,720
now, this is the first time they're

1041
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,240
seeing it.

1042
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,960
Yeah, this is what this is what the the ordinance in front of you says just

1043
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,040
drawn out. It's the exact same thing.

1044
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,119
>> Yes, but my question was was this in the

1045
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:02,880
packet or not today?

1046
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,760
>> No.

1047
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,839
>> Okay. Thank you.

1048
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,280
>> Yeah. If you only asked for this a

1049
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,960
couple days ago, so I mean that that's

1050
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200
why it was prepared a couple days ago.

1051
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,119
>> I understand. And that's why you asked

1052
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:13,680
for it.

1053
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,240
>> Ron Ron, what I we're not in argument

1054
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,960
here. All I'm saying is I we received

1055
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,160
information this morning and this

1056
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,920
afternoon and we're having a meeting and

1057
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,839
I'm just giving options in terms of the

1058
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:27,520
idea of being able to process the

1059
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,839
information and sharing with residents

1060
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,319
before we take a vote. I'm not arguing.

1061
00:42:32,319 --> 00:42:35,359
>> Is this enough time Jean Marty

1062
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,280
>> Steve Nick to to look at this or do you

1063
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,520
need more time Elizabeth?

1064
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,200
>> And we can we can definitely make a copy

1065
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200
of this that was shared with uh with

1066
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,319
Jeff. I think thank you for asking,

1067
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:48,240
Andrew. This is Marty. I think it'd be

1068
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,319
helpful to include this and the notes

1069
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:53,760
that came in uh from Mark Schaefer as

1070
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:54,960
well because the residents haven't

1071
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,440
really seen any of that and I I for one

1072
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,920
would appreciate um having you share

1073
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,440
this information. I think this drawing

1074
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,920
is illustrative. Uh Ron, could you can

1075
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,280
you explain the drawing on the right? Um

1076
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,119
>> Sure. Sure. Would you hold that back up,

1077
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,079
Andrew?

1078
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:11,280
>> I'm holding it. You can see

1079
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,359
>> Oh, sorry. My the screen just changed

1080
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:15,119
because Marty was speaking. My my

1081
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,839
apologies. So on on the left

1082
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:22,720
>> on the left that shows a very small

1083
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:27,920
shed. Okay. It that shed can be up to 12

1084
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,359
feet tall and up to 24 feet wide. And

1085
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,599
with those dimensions, it would be

1086
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,599
allowed to be five feet from the rear

1087
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,599
and five feet from the side. That's

1088
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,079
what's shown there. And then on the

1089
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,599
right, that building gets bigger. That

1090
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,319
accessory building gets bigger. And now,

1091
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:48,560
just for, you know, example purposes,

1092
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,640
it's now 15 ft tall and 28 ft wide. So,

1093
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,640
because it got bigger, it needs to move

1094
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,240
inward from the rear and from the side.

1095
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:03,359
And as the math works, because it's um

1096
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:06,720
you're going to add an additional 4 and

1097
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,920
1/2 ft based on its height, and you add

1098
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,560
an additional 6 ft of setback based on

1099
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,800
its width. So that building has an

1100
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,359
additional 10 and 1/2 ft setback from

1101
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,359
each lot line based on its increased

1102
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:22,000
dimensions.

1103
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,359
>> Thank you. That that's helpful what

1104
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:25,119
we're looking at here. Thank you.

1105
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:30,000
>> All right. Okay, Jean. Thank you, Jane.

1106
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,385
>> Thank you for your patience, Jean.

1107
00:44:34,395 --> 00:44:35,359
[laughter]

1108
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:38,160
>> First of all, John, welcome. Thank you.

1109
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,640
I love your approach. What are we really

1110
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,480
trying to deal with right now? And can

1111
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,319
we just cut to the chase and do it?

1112
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:47,520
Okay, great. Hi, nice to meet you.

1113
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,599
Wow, that would solve a lot of problems.

1114
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,839
Just let's can we approve what we need

1115
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:54,000
to approve and go from there. But Ron

1116
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,760
just touched upon something that was my big problem with a lot of this is

1117
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,119
seeing what it looks like.

1118
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,319
It's very hard for residents to see, but

1119
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:08,240
that that the illustration that was just

1120
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,040
shown really helps see what would it do

1121
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,359
to the change of the the town. What how would we look differently? And isn't

1122
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:20,560
that really what it's all about? Can

1123
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
what can we handle as a town? What can

1124
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,040
we handle not just to look at but to

1125
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,040
enjoy to drive down to park to get back

1126
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,680
out of the street that we parked on? Um

1127
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,359
you know one of the best things so I I

1128
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:39,040
agree with you John to go ahead and just

1129
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,040
say okay look we got to do this and it's

1130
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,640
pretty simple that that it was very

1131
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,240
clear but now we have time let's think

1132
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,400
about what is it that we can have an

1133
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,440
influence on and let's see some

1134
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,680
illustrations what would the town look

1135
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,160
like and you go back to Christ Jacubak

1136
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,880
who did the most fabulous job of doing

1137
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,079
our original planning what would it look

1138
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,960
Like if everybody maximized the

1139
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
authority they would be given on the

1140
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,359
property. Okay. And and it regardless of

1141
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:16,000
whether we think it's horrifying,

1142
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,200
is there anything we could do about it?

1143
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,839
might be horrible, but Ron, this is a

1144
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,880
Ron Bolt answer. Ron, is there anything

1145
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,119
we could do to make it any different? So

1146
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,880
those are the kind of things I think we

1147
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,119
need to have conversations about. What

1148
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:34,640
would it look like? What will it look

1149
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,640
like? What kind of things could it be?

1150
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,280
But at least right now say what we know

1151
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,160
has to happen. Let's get it done and

1152
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,280
let's get to is there anything in the

1153
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,160
future we could control to make it be

1154
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,480
better parking blah blah. Okay, I'll

1155
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,640
stop talking. I'll lower my hand. Okay.

1156
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,240
>> Thank you, Jean. Okay.

1157
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,119
>> Okay. With that and seeing Wait, is

1158
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,280
there another No, that hand disappeared.

1159
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,240
Uh,

1160
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,359
>> that was my hand. Okay.

1161
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:05,680
Elizabeth Goldberg, is there

1162
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,000
>> Jeff?

1163
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,839
>> Oh, no. That was that was the cursor.

1164
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:09,280
>> It was Jeff raised hand.

1165
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,400
>> Uh Jeff, your hand is up again.

1166
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,800
>> Yeah. Thanks. I just wanted to comment

1167
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,359
because I wasn't sure if we were still

1168
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,280
planning on voting or if we're going to

1169
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,680
take a motion and see if we are going to

1170
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,960
give ourselves a little more time

1171
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,720
because I did have a technical question

1172
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:28,000
and but I'm happy to defer if we're

1173
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,319
going to give our ask your technical

1174
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,480
question.

1175
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,440
What is your technical?

1176
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,240
>> Well, no. I need to I want you to I I

1177
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:37,680
want you to answer my question.

1178
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,319
>> Okay. Oh, do we have a motion to

1179
00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:42,480
introduce this ordinance?

1180
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,400
>> No, no. I I that wasn't my question,

1181
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,800
Arthur. I said, are we going

1182
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,560
>> Oh, what's your question?

1183
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,800
>> Are we still going to vote on this this

1184
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
evening or are we going to giving

1185
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,920
ourselves more time?

1186
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,839
>> That's what we That's what I'm asking

1187
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,839
right now. Do we have a motion to

1188
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,200
>> motion to adopt this?

1189
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,880
>> Motion to adopt. Yes.

1190
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:01,839
>> Yes, we have a motion.

1191
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:03,839
>> No, that wasn't my question. I I would

1192
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:06,640
say that we are asking whether or not we

1193
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,800
should delay the motion and re reschedu

1194
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,160
the motion to adopt.

1195
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,480
>> Do we have any suggestions? Any other

1196
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,000
suggestions to delay?

1197
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,480
>> So, so that's how Robert's rules work.

1198
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,920
If someone makes a motion, then the

1199
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,760
motion just happened. So, yes, the

1200
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:23,200
answer to your question, Jeff, is there

1201
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,800
is a vote happening right now?

1202
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,000
>> Yeah. Do

1203
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680
>> you have a question before we take that

1204
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,950
vote?

1205
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,640
Yes. Uh I was making a motion actually

1206
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,280
to delay the vote until September. We

1207
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,880
had that discussion.

1208
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,800
>> Okay. You are you are moving to delay

1209
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,880
the vote. Do we have a second for that?

1210
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,880
>> I I I am I am proposing to move the vote

1211
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,480
to September. Yes.

1212
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,280
>> Okay. Do we have a second? We we don't

1213
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,720
have a second from me, but I just want

1214
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,400
to explain, Jeff, why I'm not going to

1215
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,880
second it since this is this is this is

1216
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,720
kind of the Jeff approach as well as

1217
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,119
sometimes when you when you abstain or vote no. Um the reason I'm not going

1218
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:06,000
to second this and

1219
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,839
>> can I not explain?

1220
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:09,920
>> Well, then let me ask Okay. what you

1221
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,280
finish your what you're going to say,

1222
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Andrew, but then I have my technical

1223
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,240
question that I need to ask if if if

1224
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,119
that is the case because I have some

1225
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:21,359
significant concerns right now of what

1226
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,640
we have that is going to be adopted. So

1227
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,280
feel free to go ahead and then I will be

1228
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,559
happy to raise my technical question.

1229
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:31,520
>> Raise your technical question.

1230
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,640
>> Why don't you raise your technical

1231
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,559
questions before we proceed?

1232
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,680
>> Okay. Well, Jean, thanks for bringing up

1233
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,960
what you suggested and other residents

1234
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,319
who have also chimed in. So, my question

1235
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:46,960
is Ron, you had mentioned the minimum

1236
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,400
step back of the 5T

1237
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,880
and there's a drawing render that gives

1238
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,240
some exception where there would then be

1239
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,920
some sliding scale. Um, but refresh me,

1240
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,359
but I think you said 24 feet

1241
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:07,760
uh wide by 12 feet high. So that's the

1242
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,000
that is where we would start to anything

1243
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,319
over those in terms of height or width

1244
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,119
then you'd start to get a sliding scale.

1245
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,920
So basically

1246
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,000
at minimum you can have you know under a

1247
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,480
centimeter of height perhaps or of the

1248
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,200
width and you can have then a bunch of

1249
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,160
the dwellings that are 24 by 12 right

1250
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,640
that are going to be very close but the the real question is at what point

1251
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,440
in terms of this sliding scale because

1252
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,440
we had someone and I I I think it's

1253
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,559
worth merit um in in Mark's proposal

1254
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:51,680
around the idea of a minimum setback of 10 ft. So, just trying to get an

1255
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,440
understanding of this gray area between

1256
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,040
the 5T and the 10 ft. And are we opening

1257
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,680
up a real can of worms here where we

1258
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,359
could see some fairly significant sized

1259
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,839
uh ADUs that are going to be fairly

1260
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:10,160
close to the property line that we

1261
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,400
really didn't account for?

1262
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:19,510
>> They don't understand. What's the point?

1263
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,160
» You're muted now.

1264
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
>> Muted.

1265
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:28,710
>> There we go. Sorry about that. Yeah. So,

1266
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:33,839
» yeah, the answer is yes. So, back in in

1267
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,559
um December, I think I I I proposed

1268
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,440
three general options. You know, one is

1269
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,359
to increase the setback for all

1270
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:43,119
accessory buildings. So it could be 10

1271
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,520
ft, could be 20 ft, you know, whatever

1272
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,200
it is. But then you're in the situation

1273
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,280
where you've got to hear variance

1274
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,240
requests for modest structures like a

1275
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,920
shed, let's say, that you know, you

1276
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,119
really might not mind having at 5t and 5

1277
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,040
ft. So the another approach that that is

1278
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,440
in the ordinance now was the setback modifier to avoid situations

1279
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,920
where you're imposing a setback that's

1280
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,880
too large on modest buildings that you

1281
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,680
know you you really historically find

1282
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,960
close to the rear and side lot lines. Um

1283
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,800
but yeah, I mean yes, yes, there is a um

1284
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,079
a risk, but

1285
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:28,000
>> no, Ron and you Thank you. And you're actually making the point

1286
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,040
that I want to address um and I really

1287
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,240
appreciate your feedback is what we're

1288
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:37,280
doing with this particular proposal

1289
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,040
is

1290
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,880
it's sort of a reverse. So what I mean

1291
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,400
is is that I get the point of we don't

1292
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,040
want to have variances for

1293
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,960
um certain small sheds and things like

1294
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,640
that, right? Because you know we don't

1295
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,119
want to have say to to neighbors, oh you

1296
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,319
have to have a 10-ft setback for a shed.

1297
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:03,200
But I guess the question then becomes,

1298
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,520
are we then are you're saying is is that

1299
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,079
for that particular shed if we had a

1300
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:11,200
10-foot setback that we would actually

1301
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,240
need to then have a formal variance

1302
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:17,599
hearing or could the manager or permit

1303
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,200
manager and the technical engineers

1304
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,440
saying, "Ah, we don't need this and it's

1305
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,440
a shed. Um, that's okay." Or could we

1306
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,079
assign

1307
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:29,040
>> that would violate the state?

1308
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,640
law.

1309
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,559
>> So you would have to have then a formal

1310
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,559
so so just correct. So if if the shed

1311
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,520
and we had a 10-ft setback for all

1312
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,040
dwellings because we're trying to

1313
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,800
protect ourselves around large

1314
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,359
structures, what we're saying is if it

1315
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:49,680
were a shed or some other small play

1316
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,640
thing that uh we would have to then have

1317
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,720
a formal variance hearing. There's no

1318
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,720
exception to that rule. So we we would have to schedule those hearings

1319
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,119
for every single thing that really was

1320
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,960
not a true ADU type dwelling.

1321
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,359
>> The applicant wanted to place it

1322
00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,440
somewhere else. And if if they were

1323
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760
happy with the 10-ft setback, then no

1324
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,240
variance is needed. But if they weren't

1325
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,240
happy with the 10-ft setback and wanted

1326
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,480
a 5-ft setback, then yes, they could

1327
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,200
request a variance.

1328
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,280
>> And would that then require a hearing?

1329
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,559
>> Yeah. Yes, variances require hearings.

1330
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:29,280
>> Yeah.

1331
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,319
>> Um

1332
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:30,720
>> Okay.

1333
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,079
>> I mean, you you you could you could

1334
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:37,119
draft the code to say,

1335
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:39,359
you know, modest

1336
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:42,480
variance requests, etc. don't require

1337
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
hearings and the like. But I think the

1338
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
state is going to say this is an, you

1339
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,079
know, an indirect attempt to to impose

1340
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,920
lesser setbacks on different types of

1341
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,440
buildings, which is exactly what the

1342
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,280
state law tells us. we can no longer do.

1343
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,920
>> Okay. Thank uh Marty, you have one last

1344
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:00,720
question.

1345
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,079
>> Thank you. Yes, it's an important

1346
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:03,680
question. Does anything in this

1347
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,000
ordinance limit people to only one ADU?

1348
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,040
I can imagine somebody building two ADU

1349
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,359
units in a long backyard. And I don't

1350
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:14,720
see anything in the ordinance here that

1351
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,559
would prevent that.

1352
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:17,359
>> You want to take that on?

1353
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:18,720
>> It's not with that's not within the

1354
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:23,680
village's jurisdiction to restrict. We don't have land use authority. We

1355
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,920
can't say how land can be used. The

1356
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,240
county can and the county says you can

1357
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,599
only have one one ADU currently. Uh

1358
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,720
there was a state law, a state bill

1359
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,720
proposed in the last session that did

1360
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,319
not pass as I recall where

1361
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:44,630
oh gosh, what was the name of that?

1362
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,559
» Starter starter and

1363
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:49,200
>> not not that one. This this was a this

1364
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,760
was a bill proposed by a slate of

1365
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,359
Republicans. It didn't make it out of

1366
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:56,559
committee, but it would it would have

1367
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:59,520
allowed two ADUs per per lot and it it

1368
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,079
didn't it didn't pass. But yeah, right

1369
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,440
now the county says one. We we as a m

1370
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,040
municipality in the regional district

1371
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,520
cannot say you're not allowed to have

1372
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,359
more than one. We can't say you're not

1373
00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:12,880
allowed to have a fortune teller

1374
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,839
business, you know, etc.

1375
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,520
>> Okay. Thank you.

1376
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,079
Okay, I think we had a motion. Do you

1377
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:20,960
want to restate?

1378
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:21,920
>> Motion to adopt.

1379
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Do we have a second?

1380
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:24,960
>> A second.

1381
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,319
>> Uh all in favor I and probably Jeff

1382
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,359
against or for

1383
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:34,319
>> I think

1384
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,200
>> uh I'm against uh because of as I

1385
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,400
mentioned the timing there's no need to

1386
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,680
have more

1387
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,839
>> I think this motion has passed four to

1388
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,000
one.

1389
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,119
Okay, moving on to the next item on the

1390
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,960
agenda. Approval of council meeting

1391
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,799
minutes from the last meeting. People

1392
00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:56,880
have had a chance to go over it. I

1393
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,040
actually found two little thingies in it

1394
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,000
>> which I made

1395
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,240
>> which you made the change. So we can

1396
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,599
have a motion to adopt the meetings the

1397
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:08,880
minutes of the last meeting

1398
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,480
>> on

1399
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,200
a second.

1400
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,480
>> I move to adopt

1401
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,200
>> a second.

1402
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,349
>> Second. All in favor? Hi.

1403
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:20,000
» Okay.

1404
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,150
>> Did you want to vote on the minutes?

1405
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,119
» Okay. Uh moving on to the next question.

1406
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:35,040
Uh Alexa has been uh what's the word? Uh

1407
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,079
>> spearheading the idea of a new village

1408
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,760
hall. uh and to that effect has

1409
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,559
suggested some questions for the uh

1410
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:48,480
survey uh the annual survey and we will

1411
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,000
need to get uh resident comments and

1412
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,400
this is a good place to begin. It both

1413
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,200
by putting questions in the survey. It

1414
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,440
both alerts

1415
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,119
residents that this is a a live subject.

1416
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:06,000
gets their uh reaction and it's a way to

1417
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,480
more or less introduce the subject more

1418
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
generally. So, Alexa, do you want to uh

1419
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,559
over that?

1420
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,359
>> Yes, I would. First of all, I did make

1421
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:18,240
uh the last time that we spoke a little

1422
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,160
about this.

1423
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Uh there were a couple of

1424
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,559
recommendations which I included in in

1425
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:28,880
the draft that I sent. So, I'm just

1426
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,480
going to pass it to you so you could see

1427
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,520
it.

1428
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,000
>> Okay.

1429
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,319
>> All right. And as you can see,

1430
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:35,520
>> thank you. Thank you.

1431
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,359
>> You all have it.

1432
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:39,280
>> Can you put this on?

1433
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,000
>> Yes.

1434
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,079
>> So again, uh I understand that that

1435
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:47,920
different councils throughout the years

1436
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,559
have entertained the idea of having of

1437
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:55,920
investing acquiring a uh a space uh that

1438
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,160
they could use as basically a village

1439
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,079
hall, a town hall, whatever you would

1440
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,000
like to call it. And so we thought we

1441
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,079
would bring it to the table. Again, I'm

1442
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,799
very interested in the idea of having a

1443
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:11,839
home um that is as um many of us have

1444
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,640
thought about over the years uh a safe

1445
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,880
home. A safe meaning it's ADA applied.

1446
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,599
It is um more accessible to all of the

1447
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:25,839
residents including those of us who have

1448
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:30,480
mobility issues. Um that is definitely a

1449
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,880
safer space than what this space is.

1450
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,480
This space has one exit only. Um that

1451
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,920
affords privacy that affords

1452
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,720
um [clears throat] a space for events

1453
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,079
that we cannot even imagine.

1454
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:50,640
uh and that allows us to perhaps

1455
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,839
have a lot a long-term investment that

1456
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:57,040
um will serve our purposes many years

1457
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,640
down the line. So

1458
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,640
um I am just opened opening up the idea

1459
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,040
that uh with the changes that I made to

1460
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,599
the first uh sentence which I will read.

1461
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:17,280
VMA is exploring acquiring via gift or

1462
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,000
investment a property to house

1463
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,200
administrative spaces for staff offices,

1464
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,640
council and committee meetings, etc. and

1465
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960
provide indoor and outdoor space for

1466
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,920
community activities. Um,

1467
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,760
I don't know if this is the space to go

1468
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,480
through this.

1469
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,559
>> Uh, it's I think it's in the packet, but

1470
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,200
I think the questions are are are well

1471
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,280
thought out. The we the process in the

1472
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
survey is that we have a contractor in

1473
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,960
the and the University of Maryland uh

1474
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,000
who has done a very good job much

1475
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,319
better. I did it once and it was awful

1476
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,839
of putting together the survey. Uh, and

1477
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,599
this they would then take this and kind

1478
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,680
of put it into the format and the form

1479
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,520
and everything that it's used.

1480
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,680
>> Um, but I think it's useful to have

1481
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,319
these questions out there now so people

1482
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:10,400
can get it, take a look at them. Please

1483
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,640
look at your packet. Uh, and uh, there

1484
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,119
may be others that come up, additional

1485
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,440
questions, additional details that we

1486
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,599
might want to investigate. Uh,

1487
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,319
do you want to go through them or

1488
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:28,240
>> um to read them?

1489
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,200
>> I don't I mean I think

1490
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,960
>> I don't think they're in the packet.

1491
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,400
>> They're in the packet. Okay.

1492
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,119
>> Yeah.

1493
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:37,680
>> I do want to uh like uh propose one

1494
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,319
small tweak to the opening thing in line

1495
01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:42,240
with Elizabeth your comment at the

1496
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
beginning asking about like ADA space

1497
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,880
like we have talked about that as like a

1498
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:48,400
like that is a what one of the big

1499
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,640
reasons to do this is to do that. But I

1500
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,160
think make that clear because I'm I'm

1501
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,799
like like like oh my gosh I I would not

1502
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,160
want anyone to think that that was

1503
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,680
something we had not thought about or

1504
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,559
considered. So I think just some

1505
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,640
clause something that is basically like

1506
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,240
as one of the purposes that we are

1507
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,160
outlining for this to have an accessible

1508
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:06,480
space

1509
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,559
>> and that will allow

1510
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,480
participation. Yes.

1511
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:11,040
>> Definitely.

1512
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,440
>> So that that would be my only uh nudge

1513
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:14,799
and I thank you for raising that

1514
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:15,359
Elizabeth.

1515
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:15,920
>> Yeah.

1516
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,319
Yeah. I kind of thought that well

1517
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,400
of course the ADA would have to be part

1518
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,280
of the of of the final decision.

1519
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:23,680
>> Yeah.

1520
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,280
>> Um but I I can easily see that including

1521
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,359
it in the opening statement is helpful.

1522
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:30,480
>> Right.

1523
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,400
>> ADA would not be a choice. It would have

1524
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,200
to be part of the decision.

1525
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,520
>> I can comment on this as well. Uh we

1526
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,480
have a contract uh back with um the same

1527
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,280
um person um and actually her private

1528
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,040
consulting firm that she launched out of

1529
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,799
this and other community surveys. Um and

1530
01:02:50,799 --> 01:02:53,040
I will send these questions once the

1531
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,440
council's comfortable with them to her

1532
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,280
and she can incorporate them whether

1533
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,760
it's the like the support not support

1534
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,839
neither support or oppose

1535
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,839
>> versus some sort of leerard scale or

1536
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,280
something that fits with the rest of the

1537
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,280
template. um she would know best. She's

1538
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,119
the survey expert on that type of thing.

1539
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:11,200
But I think this is great. And um to

1540
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,880
answer Marty's question earlier, this is

1541
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,760
not a holistic view of the entire

1542
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,839
survey. That will happen in the fall.

1543
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,079
It's still summer, so we are hoping to

1544
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,839
draft those questions and get them in

1545
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:24,319
front of um the community prior to

1546
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:26,720
actually launching the survey um in

1547
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,559
October or November like we do every

1548
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:29,839
year. So

1549
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:32,400
>> Okay. Uh Jean, you have a quick comment

1550
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,440
on this. Quick quick comment. I got to

1551
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,119
be quick. Okay, I'll do do my best.

1552
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:44,640
>> Uh, let me Has anybody looked at the current

1553
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,520
situation and said, "What could we do to

1554
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,599
alter the current facility to make it

1555
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:53,520
easier for access?" I mean, what's the

1556
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,839
priority? Is priority

1557
01:03:55,839 --> 01:03:57,440
accessibility?

1558
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,599
Okay, if it is, what about I always

1559
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,520
thought of this being that office, being

1560
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:02,960
the first village manager in that

1561
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,400
office. the very easy to run elevator up

1562
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,160
the back of the building. What would

1563
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,599
that cost us as a town? Because I

1564
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,839
thought we are so blessed. There's not

1565
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:16,000
any other municipality that I know of

1566
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,799
except maybe

1567
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,880
>> Chef Chase Village

1568
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,319
who has a a commercial lot in the middle

1569
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:28,880
of the because we weren't a part of we were independent. We weren't a part

1570
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,400
of the land use company the chase chase

1571
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,119
land. We are blessed. Has anybody

1572
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,039
thought about what what would it take to

1573
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,559
take the current place and make it able

1574
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:43,920
to easily accommodate a rear elevator to

1575
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,920
make it easy to get people in and out? I

1576
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,240
would start there before I look for a

1577
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,440
play. I don't know. I have no idea what

1578
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,000
you guys are talking about. Finding a

1579
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,760
house. You're talking about finding a a

1580
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:57,680
lot in Martin's Additions. Is that what

1581
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,760
you're talking about? I got no idea.

1582
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,200
>> And parking. What are you what are you

1583
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,599
going to do about zoning? Don't I won't

1584
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:06,319
even just have you What have you thought

1585
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:09,520
about what we have? How blessed we are

1586
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,440
to have it because no other

1587
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,280
municipalities have it. Well, the

1588
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,280
section three has even come and is

1589
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,720
renting space.

1590
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:19,200
>> Yeah.

1591
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,839
>> Okay. Okay. I'm done. I

1592
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:22,799
>> Thank you.

1593
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:23,280
>> Okay.

1594
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:24,720
>> Good point. Think about it. Always good

1595
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:25,119
point.

1596
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,240
>> I love my Let me know what you think.

1597
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,960
>> Okay. Thank you. Good points as always.

1598
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,280
Um,

1599
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:38,559
okay. Manager's report. Are we any other question or comments on these

1600
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:43,145
this issue? Okay. Manager's report.

1601
01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:43,920
[clears throat]

1602
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,160
>> Okay. It is 8:36.

1603
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,480
My manager's report is on page 12 and I

1604
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,039
will keep it short.

1605
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:55,039
All council members have been sworn in.

1606
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:56,880
Thank you very much for being timely

1607
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,839
about that. and all uh village

1608
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:01,920
insuranceances have been renewed.

1609
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,920
Remember, we have three different levels

1610
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,799
of insurance. We have workers comp, we

1611
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:09,680
have uh performance bonds for the five

1612
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,480
of you and myself, and we have general

1613
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,079
liability insurance. Those have all been

1614
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:16,160
renewed.

1615
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,160
The FY 26 annual report is now out. It

1616
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,559
is um in the Martins's Edition's

1617
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,200
newsletter. A reminder there that the

1618
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,680
July and August newsletter is joined

1619
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,359
into one newsletter. So that's our one

1620
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:31,760
summer newsletter. We're taking a break

1621
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,359
in August. Um directly after my report

1622
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:37,760
in the council meeting packet, you will

1623
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,440
see the administrative calendar. The

1624
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,160
council has gone over this together um

1625
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,240
in administrative meeting, but I want

1626
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,559
the entire community to be aware of um

1627
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,319
everything that's happening. Put all the

1628
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:50,640
events on your calendars. Um, we're

1629
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,319
hoping to stick to this as closely as

1630
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,720
possible. [sighs]

1631
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:01,920
The Brookell sidewalk is almost almost uh we do have a little bit of a

1632
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:03,440
problem with the storm drains that I

1633
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,680
found out about today. Um, the tops for

1634
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,839
the storm drains that they have ordered

1635
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:10,720
are delayed. So, um, the storm drains

1636
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,880
are rebuilt. They're amazing looking.

1637
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,720
They're eight feet deep and now five

1638
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,760
feet wide to match the new sidewalk. Um,

1639
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,359
the

1640
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:21,520
One of the storm drain tops will be done

1641
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,039
from the person that's building it next

1642
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,280
Wednesday. So hopefully that part will

1643
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,200
be done and the second one I we don't

1644
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,200
know yet. Um we are waiting to find out

1645
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,960
when they can finish the other one. So

1646
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,680
of course uh right right when I'm like

1647
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,119
we're done, we're done.

1648
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:36,720
>> There's two on Brookville between

1649
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,280
Shephard and and Turner Land. Yeah.

1650
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,200
>> Um I'm a little scared, but this is a

1651
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,799
rhetorical question. You have to answer

1652
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:46,160
it is where it's being ordered from.

1653
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,960
>> Yeah. Our contractor has a subcontractor

1654
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:50,880
that's building it. So I I I don't know

1655
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:51,200
that.

1656
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,359
>> Is that coming from America?

1657
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:54,240
>> Is it America?

1658
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,400
>> Yeah. This is a local company. Yeah. I I

1659
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,760
didn't learn that, but

1660
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,680
>> who knows? Um

1661
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,319
>> yeah. Uh they are planning to finish

1662
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:04,160
everything else next week, including

1663
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,680
painting the lines, putting in the stop

1664
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,280
sign at Bradley Lane. So we have four

1665
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,760
way stop. So this is just kind of the

1666
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,680
last thing. And honestly, all they need

1667
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,760
to do is set them down with a crane as

1668
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,799
soon as they arrive. It's really not a big job. Um, so we're just hanging

1669
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:20,719
on for that. Stay tuned. I will get you

1670
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:24,719
more information when I when I have it.

1671
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:27,199
Um, there's also the building per uh

1672
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,199
permanent administrator report in the

1673
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,279
back of today's packet, so you can take

1674
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:32,080
a look at that.

1675
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,520
>> Let me I [clears throat] have a quick

1676
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,000
question on that. Seems to be relatively

1677
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,159
few pro ongoing projects.

1678
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,080
>> Yeah, I'm curious if that's the economy

1679
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,759
turning. Um, it doesn't seem like we

1680
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:43,440
have as many flips as when I first

1681
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,359
started here four years ago. We would

1682
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,279
have two or three going on at a time,

1683
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,359
right? We currently have zero flips,

1684
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,359
>> one a single page of project,

1685
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,440
>> couple decks, and a couple additions and

1686
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:55,359
projects that are taking a long time.

1687
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:56,080
Um,

1688
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,080
>> but no, no tear downs, rebuilds

1689
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,359
currently,

1690
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:00,400
>> um, at all. That's

1691
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:00,799
>> okay.

1692
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:01,279
>> Yep.

1693
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:02,560
>> Yeah.

1694
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,799
>> The call for volunteers, uh, now that we

1695
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,759
have the mission statement for the new,

1696
01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:10,640
uh, storm water committee, um, I will go

1697
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,560
ahead and prepare that and issue that

1698
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,319
shortly.

1699
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,040
That's for all five committees and task

1700
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,390
force. [gasps]

1701
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,159
If you would like a native tree planted

1702
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:24,960
on your property this year, uh, go ahead

1703
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,120
and start sending those forms or even

1704
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,520
just an email to me. I am managing that

1705
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,440
process this year and building a list. I

1706
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:32,080
already have a list

1707
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,719
>> and we are getting the trees from whom?

1708
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:37,440
>> I have a nursery that we're going to try

1709
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:39,920
to directly source from. Um, I will get

1710
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:40,799
you the name of that nursery.

1711
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,719
>> Okay. But not going through the

1712
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:45,199
arborist. not going through the arirect.

1713
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:46,719
It'll be a direct purchase from a

1714
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:48,480
nursery and they will come and plant

1715
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:49,040
this.

1716
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,120
>> Will they give us a list of what's

1717
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:51,839
available?

1718
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:54,000
>> Yes. Yes, we will. We will have the

1719
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,360
list. I mean, hopefully it's the same

1720
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,920
list of native trees. So, it'll be the

1721
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,080
same list that we've we've already used.

1722
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,040
>> Okay.

1723
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,199
>> Yeah, we will source them and get those

1724
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:08,149
planted in the fall.

1725
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,880
» Uh the annual summer movie night is

1726
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,040
scheduled for September 6th. We will

1727
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,920
solicit movie recommendations. Um, we

1728
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:17,440
have experimented with different types

1729
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,239
of movies and it seems like PG-13 is the

1730
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:21,840
sweet spot where you can get some of the

1731
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,760
adults are into the movies and the kids

1732
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,560
come to eat the candy either way. So,

1733
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,880
make your recommendations accordingly.

1734
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,040
And then the last thing, just on a

1735
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,760
personal note, I have an eye surgery

1736
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,000
next week. So, I will be out next

1737
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,320
Friday. Um, and I'm also taking vacation

1738
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,239
in August, so we're expecting things to

1739
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:42,640
be very quiet around here. Um, it always

1740
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:43,920
is in August, but

1741
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,239
>> we're manifesting that it'll be quiet.

1742
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:46,880
>> Yes. Yes.

1743
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,199
>> Yeah. It would, in fact, uh, I was

1744
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:51,360
talking to Erin yesterday, the day, but

1745
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,880
she says we're getting you're getting it

1746
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,120
like maybe two people coming into the

1747
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,560
office on on an a July day now.

1748
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:58,960
>> Good.

1749
01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,920
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1750
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:00,640
>> Okay.

1751
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,400
>> So, that concludes my report.

1752
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,040
>> Thank you. Any questions, comments?

1753
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:09,040
Okay. Okay. We now come back to uh

1754
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,159
opportunity to hear residents again. I

1755
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,800
see Marty's hand is up again.

1756
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,239
>> Thank Thank you. I appreciate it. Um we

1757
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,719
had talked in the stormwater task force

1758
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:23,600
recommendations about doing a tree

1759
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,320
inventory for Mars Editions and I'm

1760
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,080
wondering whether Davey, our new tree

1761
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,080
contractor, can do that. I know the

1762
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,080
District of Columbia has done a very

1763
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,400
extensive job on that and I'm wondering

1764
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,000
what's the status and how can we go

1765
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,760
ahead and get started on our tree

1766
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,640
inventory. Any thoughts on that?

1767
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,719
>> Are you referring to the public rightway

1768
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:44,480
trees or all trees?

1769
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,480
>> All all trees is what DC has done and

1770
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:50,159
all trees is what uh um the stormwater

1771
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:52,320
task force recommended.

1772
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,840
>> Yeah, that that would be a separate

1773
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,600
contract. it wouldn't be through Davey

1774
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,760
and I'm not even sure exactly how we

1775
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,360
would do that to gain access to

1776
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,719
everyone's property or do satellite

1777
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,120
imagery or what um how that would work.

1778
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,960
>> Yeah. And we have not discussed that.

1779
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,440
>> We do have a survey of all the public

1780
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:09,760
right of way trees and now that's a

1781
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,800
number of years old but um on my big map

1782
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,800
here in the office wall there is every

1783
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,239
single tree in the village public

1784
01:12:16,239 --> 01:12:17,840
rightways is marked.

1785
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,600
>> Yeah.

1786
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,199
and and probably has some limited

1787
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:22,960
information about maybe type of tree and

1788
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,960
size of tree when that was recorded.

1789
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,400
>> Right. I'm concerned about the loss of

1790
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,640
our tree canopy over the last 10 years

1791
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:32,640
with all the McMansion building that clear cuts the lots. I know that

1792
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,080
many on the council are concerned about

1793
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,679
that too.

1794
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:38,560
>> Has storm water implications as well. So

1795
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,080
>> that tree inventory seems to me like

1796
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,480
something we ought to be able to do.

1797
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,000
>> Well, the question is what do you do

1798
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,800
with it once you've got it? Why have it

1799
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,960
>> that that that you can't do anything

1800
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,960
until you do know what you got. You

1801
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,719
know, not knowing what you got. We had

1802
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,120
like 10 15 years ago a LAR survey of the

1803
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,000
tree canopy done by the county. And I

1804
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,199
don't think the county is still doing

1805
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:00,239
that. They're not finding

1806
01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:01,520
>> No, they don't.

1807
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,080
>> So, what do we do instead to update our

1808
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:05,760
>> Marty? What they did? They had a they

1809
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,600
had a view of the canopy. They didn't

1810
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,440
know the number of trees. All they knew

1811
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,239
was percentage coverage. And what they

1812
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,000
found for Martin's edition was

1813
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,400
interesting that even though there was a

1814
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,360
notable loss of trees, there was an

1815
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,760
increase in canopy because

1816
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,520
>> bigger trees got older and bigger.

1817
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,120
>> Exactly. Trees grew up uh and spread. So

1818
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,800
>> doing a tree audit's a good idea. I

1819
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,239
would have to do a bunch of research to

1820
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,640
figure out that. I know DC and I've met

1821
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,800
with DC um they they they partner with

1822
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,719
Casey Trees and I go to the tree summit

1823
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:40,560
every year with Casey Trees and

1824
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,800
Montgomery um urban forest division of

1825
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,120
their whatever their department that is

1826
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,880
um they do a conference over spring

1827
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,400
every year. I think I'm going again this

1828
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:52,960
year. It's in September. Um, so I I can

1829
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,480
definitely start asking these questions.

1830
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,280
And this is a Paula Goldberg question as

1831
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:58,000
well.

1832
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,880
>> Like an actual like census of counting

1833
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,560
the trees.

1834
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,199
>> So could I like hold up my iPhone, take

1835
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:08,000
pictures and upload it to Grock and just

1836
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,560
say, okay,

1837
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,320
>> any any tree bigger than than X

1838
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,719
circumference. Yeah.

1839
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,480
>> Because that's really valuable for the

1840
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,080
entire village. It's part of, as Jean

1841
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,760
says, the nature, the character of our

1842
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,159
community that makes this valuable is

1843
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,000
the the amount of tree coverage that we

1844
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,960
have. And on Chestnut Street, we've lost

1845
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,560
half the lots have lost their big trees

1846
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,400
in the last 10 years. I can't speak to

1847
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,520
the whole village, but I can tell you

1848
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,719
Chestnut Street is noticeably um lost a

1849
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:37,360
lot of canopy. So, I think it's useful

1850
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,159
to have a baseline um as we move forward

1851
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,000
here with the next steps on true water

1852
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,760
management and all the rest of it. Thank

1853
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,679
you for pursuing that.

1854
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,320
the uh the old tree committee from 10

1855
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,679
years ago when we looked in this what we

1856
01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:54,000
what was noted by some of our

1857
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,320
consultants that we had is that old

1858
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,280
trees die as a normal course of of

1859
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,679
having but the way to come you know to deal with that is to plant and this

1860
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:06,560
was where we came in up with the idea of

1861
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,360
subsidizing private tree plantings and

1862
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,320
now we've had several hundred trees

1863
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,719
planted under that program that that's

1864
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,719
which is great. That's terrific. Yeah,

1865
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:18,800
that's really really great stuff.

1866
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,760
>> And and given that these 100redy year or

1867
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,000
50year storms happen every other week

1868
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,520
during the summer,

1869
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,120
>> some of these trees more

1870
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,120
>> that we lose are not fully mature trees

1871
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:29,840
either

1872
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,679
>> and so we can accelerate some of the

1873
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:33,040
tree planting as well.

1874
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,199
>> Can you take down the timer now so we

1875
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:40,390
can see? Okay, Elizabeth Goldberg.

1876
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,640
Uh I agree with Marty that the tree

1877
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,040
inventory would be useful as a baseline

1878
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,760
if it's going to accompany also any

1879
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,480
changes in future changes in ordinance

1880
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,960
and storm water management. I mean trees

1881
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,000
are really important for absorbing their

1882
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,560
root systems for absorbing water and

1883
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:02,560
particular species. So to know what

1884
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,640
species they are and you know some

1885
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,760
whatever would be the description of it but to have that

1886
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,560
as a a base of reference what is here

1887
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,920
now and also in view of construction.

1888
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,520
So, you can always have a look at, you

1889
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,280
know, what was here this year and and

1890
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,280
what disappeared that might have been

1891
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,199
linked with construction and it might

1892
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,920
link to uh some permits on uh tree

1893
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,600
removal in the future on on um building

1894
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,320
lots. Okay.

1895
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,920
>> Okay. The other thing I wanted

1896
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,440
>> Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.

1897
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:36,320
>> The other thing I wanted to ask,

1898
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,800
Michael, what about the annual report?

1899
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,960
Did I miss what you said that you were

1900
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,840
publishing it in the newsletter?

1901
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,120
>> Yes, that's correct. It's in the

1902
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,000
newsletter

1903
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,920
>> coming up in August. The

1904
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,320
>> No, no, the July 1 newsletter included

1905
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:51,040
the reports.

1906
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,400
>> Okay. All right.

1907
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:53,920
>> So, it's already out.

1908
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,199
>> That's correct. Yep. It's live.

1909
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:56,800
>> Okay. All right. Well, I will go back

1910
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,960
and look for it because

1911
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,640
>> if I haven't if I haven't yet, I will

1912
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,400
post it on the front page of the website

1913
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,800
as well.

1914
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,239
>> I think that I think that would be good

1915
01:17:06,239 --> 01:17:08,159
to put it in front of people's eyes a

1916
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,360
couple of times.

1917
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:09,760
>> Yeah,

1918
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,760
>> absolutely. Just a very quick comment.

1919
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,719
Um so just putting out there in terms of

1920
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:17,120
this tree census thing. One thing we

1921
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,960
could do is uh Google maps has a lot of

1922
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,480
geospatial uh data that is for free and

1923
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,320
they also have relationships with

1924
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,320
municipalities. I mean, I don't know

1925
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,800
what their time baseline might be, but

1926
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,960
that might be a real relatively quick

1927
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,000
thing and we could give it to the

1928
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,080
University of Maryland folks if they

1929
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:40,000
have like a five-year baseline

1930
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,920
>> that could at least do coverage, right?

1931
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,280
I'm just putting out there. It's true.

1932
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,520
And there's there's tons of GIS maps

1933
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,120
where people have done survey uh you

1934
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,800
know, satellite imagery and stuff. So we

1935
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,000
might be able to find additional

1936
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,080
>> different than a census but the idea the

1937
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,760
topography you might be able to get

1938
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,520
which is

1939
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,199
you know a pretty critical

1940
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:01,120
>> DC um which was referenced earlier set a

1941
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,600
goal of getting to 35% you know tree

1942
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,840
canopy. We're probably way over that.

1943
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,960
DC's pretty far behind us but I believe

1944
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,520
DC has actually upped that goal and and

1945
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,199
has had a ton of progress towards that.

1946
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:13,600
So

1947
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:17,040
>> Okay. Okay. Um,

1948
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,880
uh, Steve Howard, you've been lurking

1949
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,719
there. Any comments from you or Nick?

1950
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:24,400
>> Nothing from me.

1951
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,080
>> Okay.

1952
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,400
Uh, good. With that, I will turn to Oh,

1953
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,239
let me I just want to say one one

1954
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:33,360
comment. One comment [laughter] unless

1955
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,040
anyone else wanted to. I just very

1956
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,920
quick.

1957
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,120
>> It's up to you.

1958
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,960
>> Okay. I just want to So, first of all, I

1959
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,640
just want to share Well, sorry, I got

1960
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,719
caught in something. So, here I am. But

1961
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,560
um so I just want to say that I

1962
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,000
appreciate you know the only real uh the

1963
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:49,760
reason why I did not vote and I said it

1964
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:51,840
on the phone and I know that I was in

1965
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,520
transit so it may have come out a bit

1966
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,440
different than it meant to in terms of

1967
01:18:55,440 --> 01:19:00,560
tone was just the real simple proxy of

1968
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,600
we had more time. And so what I mean by

1969
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,760
this and Ron could verify but like for

1970
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,920
example let's just say out of the blue

1971
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,640
something comes up over the next 6 weeks

1972
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,920
that we were like ah you know we should

1973
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,320
have actually thought about that right

1974
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,159
so now if that happens correct me I'm

1975
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:19,760
wrong but we we'd have to introduce an

1976
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,600
amendment

1977
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,679
you'd actually have to introduce it and

1978
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:25,440
then adopt it so then you'd have that

1979
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:28,320
clock of like 60 minimum 60 days or

1980
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,560
whatever it is and all I'm sharing is is

1981
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,120
that when you have more time. It's like

1982
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,960
in investment banking, if you have more

1983
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,120
money on the table, you take it. Well,

1984
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:38,960
in municipal or federal government, if

1985
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:40,000
you have more time,

1986
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:40,560
>> you take it.

1987
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,360
And so now we voted on it.

1988
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:44,800
We're kind of locked in. And if

1989
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,199
something comes up, you know, now we'd

1990
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:49,600
have to do I and but last thing I'll

1991
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,280
just say is do I think

1992
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:55,280
it was the wrong vote in terms of

1993
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,320
technically will it create havoc?

1994
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,000
Absolutely not. I think it's the right

1995
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,760
thing and I probably would have voted

1996
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,320
for it if we didn't you know if we were

1997
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,760
push came to shove but I just wanted to

1998
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,840
put out as principle that I feel when

1999
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,480
there's more time take it because

2000
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:12,880
there's really nothing lost in that's

2001
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,400
all. So, and again, I was going to I was

2002
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,000
going to mention we we kind of jumped

2003
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,800
over this your motion not to is that

2004
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,080
we've learned subsequently that nothing

2005
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:28,480
in this current ordinance is really

2006
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,960
>> deviate or or would impact any other

2007
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,040
aspects like the parking, you know, all

2008
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,159
the stuff. And and speaking of time, now

2009
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:38,159
we don't have to worry. We're in

2010
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,199
compliance and we have the time to

2011
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:43,440
entertain amendments. There's no no

2012
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,280
pressure on entertaining amendments and

2013
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,000
a new clock because because we're good.

2014
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,840
We're in compliance. And by the way,

2015
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,760
September 10th, Jewish holiday starting

2016
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,199
September 11th. Some people might be

2017
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:54,960
traveling. So there's a lot of pressure,

2018
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,280
time pressure on that end. So So this

2019
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,400
conversation isn't over, right? It's going to continue,

2020
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,120
>> right?

2021
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,719
>> And I did grow up with my grandmother,

2022
01:21:02,719 --> 01:21:05,520
so I tend to worry more than the average

2023
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,920
member. So here

2024
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,199
>> Okay. You had emotion.

2025
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:10,960
>> I did have a motion. Do you want to hear

2026
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:11,199
it?

2027
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:12,800
>> Yes. Let's hear your motion to adjurnn,

2028
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,120
please.

2029
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:16,880
>> Do we have a second? I Okay,

2030
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,080
>> thank you all.

2031
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,640
>> Thank you.