1 00:30:05,443 --> 00:30:12,430 Chair Haynes and members of the Commission, we are now live. 2 00:30:12,123 --> 00:30:16,123 >> Welcome to the August 19th 2026 meeting of the Montgomery 3 00:30:16,123 --> 00:30:18,891 County Historic Preservation Commission meeting. 4 00:30:18,891 --> 00:30:23,203 I will ask the commissioners and staff to introduce themselves 5 00:30:23,203 --> 00:30:25,203 in alphabetical order. 6 00:30:35,686 --> 00:30:37,686 [Roll call] . 7 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,507 >> First items on the agenda are the historic area work permits. 8 00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:02,507 Have they been duly advertised? 9 00:31:03,163 --> 00:31:03,947 >> Yes. 10 00:31:03,947 --> 00:31:06,239 They were advertised in the August 5th edition 11 00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:08,639 of the Washington Times. 12 00:31:16,110 --> 00:31:18,443 Jeffrey Hains: If anybody is here to testify come on let 13 00:31:18,443 --> 00:31:20,878 staff know so we know you are here for the cases. 14 00:31:20,878 --> 00:31:23,255 We will let you know the case that can be expedited 15 00:31:23,255 --> 00:31:24,587 based on staff reports. 16 00:31:24,587 --> 00:31:29,723 Is there anybody here to speak in opposition to case one 17 00:31:29,723 --> 00:31:32,123 a 3927 Washington Street Kensington? 18 00:31:33,539 --> 00:31:38,339 Case one b at 5820 Survey Street, Chevy Chase? 19 00:31:41,283 --> 00:31:44,883 Case one C at 7107 Sycamore Avenue? 20 00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:48,903 Case one D at 7300 Baltimore Avenue. 21 00:31:50,739 --> 00:31:54,939 Case one E at 15107 Birmingham Drive Burtonsville. 22 00:31:57,510 --> 00:32:01,251 Case one F at 5511 Llandaff Road, Bethesda. 23 00:32:03,883 --> 00:32:07,483 Case one G at 19821 Darnestown Road. 24 00:32:07,849 --> 00:32:10,849 Case one H at 14510 --. 25 00:32:19,585 --> 00:32:21,616 7429 Carroll Avenue Takoma Park. 26 00:32:21,616 --> 00:32:26,416 Case one J at 7110 Sycamore Avenue Takoma Park. 27 00:32:26,803 --> 00:32:31,265 Case one K at 105 Elm Avenue Takoma Park. 28 00:32:31,265 --> 00:32:36,665 Case one L at 102 East Kirk Street Chevy Chase. 29 00:32:36,763 --> 00:32:42,163 Case one N at 17 West Suburban Street Chevy Chase. 30 00:32:48,765 --> 00:32:49,473 >> No objections. 31 00:32:49,473 --> 00:32:51,973 I move we approve the following in accordance with the staff 32 00:32:51,973 --> 00:32:54,795 reports based on the report before us in consideration 33 00:32:54,795 --> 00:32:58,833 of the recommendations of the local advisory panels 34 00:32:58,833 --> 00:33:03,330 and including the conditions recommended by staff. 35 00:33:03,503 --> 00:33:07,103 Number 116469 A at 3927 Washington Street Kensington. 36 00:33:15,563 --> 00:33:19,163 1165704 retroactive at 25 Surrey Street Chevy Chase. 37 00:33:23,323 --> 00:33:26,323 116578 at 7107 Sycamore Avenue Takoma Park. 38 00:33:29,483 --> 00:33:33,830 Number 1165788 at 7300 Baltimore Avenue Takoma Park. 39 00:33:39,363 --> 00:33:42,363 Number 1165825 1507 Birmingham Drive Birmingham Al. 40 00:33:51,747 --> 00:33:54,147 1165930 at 5511 Lambeth Road Bethesda. 41 00:34:02,363 --> 00:34:04,763 1166076 at 19821 Darnestown Road Beallsville. 42 00:34:09,563 --> 00:34:13,163 Number 1166209 retroactive at 14510 Mount Nebo Road 43 00:34:18,763 --> 00:34:20,323 Poolesville. 44 00:34:20,323 --> 00:34:24,523 Number 1147788 revision at 7429 Carroll Avenue Takoma Park. 45 00:34:29,963 --> 00:34:34,163 Number 115556 revision at 7110 Sycamore Avenue Takoma Park. 46 00:34:40,243 --> 00:34:43,843 Number 1166316 at 105 Elm Avenue Takoma Park. 47 00:34:49,203 --> 00:34:52,203 Number 1067931 revision number six at 102 48 00:34:55,753 --> 00:34:58,753 East Kirk Street Chevy Chase. 49 00:34:59,303 --> 00:35:02,303 And number 1064778 revision number six 50 00:35:05,299 --> 00:35:08,899 at 17 West Irving Street Chevy Chase. 51 00:35:13,286 --> 00:35:16,886 Jeffrey Hains: Is there a second? 52 00:35:23,723 --> 00:35:26,723 Marc Dominianni I would -- 53 00:35:34,164 --> 00:35:37,164 Marc Dominianni: I would second. 54 00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:40,830 Jeffrey Hains: L roll call. 55 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:44,883 Yay in favor and nay not in favor. 56 00:35:44,932 --> 00:35:46,932 [Members voting]. 57 00:35:49,691 --> 00:35:51,483 Jeffrey Hains: This is Commissioner Haynes. 58 00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:53,830 I say. 59 00:35:53,830 --> 00:35:55,483 That has passed unanimously. 60 00:35:57,123 --> 00:35:59,616 Those cases are all approved. 61 00:35:59,616 --> 00:36:02,803 If you have any questions, you can speak with staff tomorrow 62 00:36:02,803 --> 00:36:06,103 during regular business hours and we appreciate your work 63 00:36:06,103 --> 00:36:08,795 to preserve your properties and working with staff 64 00:36:08,795 --> 00:36:12,163 to easily submit Approvable work permits. 65 00:36:12,163 --> 00:36:18,163 We are now going to Move on to preliminary case. 66 00:36:20,323 --> 00:36:23,323 The first case is tonight. 67 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:30,803 It'll be two A at 4901 Brookville Road, Brookville. 68 00:36:32,123 --> 00:36:35,723 Do we have a staff report? 69 00:36:39,677 --> 00:36:40,677 >> Laura with the staff. 70 00:36:40,677 --> 00:36:42,331 A consultation review for construction 71 00:36:42,331 --> 00:36:46,748 of a new access road and access easement through 4901 Brookville 72 00:36:46,748 --> 00:36:50,563 Road Brookville to a landlocked parcel to the north 73 00:36:50,563 --> 00:36:52,623 at 4811 Brook Road Road. 74 00:36:52,623 --> 00:36:56,723 The work will run through the Master Plan site 75 00:36:56,723 --> 00:37:01,523 roughly 100 acre farm with a essential buildings including 76 00:37:01,878 --> 00:37:06,780 a circa 1861 dwelling and cribs and barns 77 00:37:06,403 --> 00:37:08,699 and a house and kitchen and chicken coop. 78 00:37:08,699 --> 00:37:11,856 The project is subject to review under chapter 24 79 00:37:11,856 --> 00:37:14,896 A of the Montgomery County Code and the Secretary 80 00:37:14,896 --> 00:37:17,536 of the Interior Standards for rehabilitation. 81 00:37:17,536 --> 00:37:21,931 There's a broader bird's eye view of the master plan site 82 00:37:21,931 --> 00:37:26,163 and the parcel to the north as well as 83 00:37:26,163 --> 00:37:27,855 an image of the historic dwelling 84 00:37:27,855 --> 00:37:32,163 which is located at the center of the site here. 85 00:37:32,163 --> 00:37:34,249 The central core of the buildings 86 00:37:34,249 --> 00:37:37,930 is set higher on the topography and it 87 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:40,903 is surrounded by the gently sloping cultivated farmland. 88 00:37:40,903 --> 00:37:45,773 The core is accessed by two tree lined gravel driveways set 89 00:37:45,773 --> 00:37:49,373 approximately 1000ft apart on Brookville Road. 90 00:37:51,723 --> 00:37:55,139 The use of the buildings and driveways as well as 91 00:37:55,139 --> 00:37:57,539 any sustained farm lane. 92 00:37:57,571 --> 00:37:59,583 Here we are again. 93 00:37:59,583 --> 00:38:01,664 For this preliminary consultation review 94 00:38:01,664 --> 00:38:03,796 with the applicants who are representatives 95 00:38:03,796 --> 00:38:07,507 of the owners of the neighboring parcel to the North 96 00:38:07,507 --> 00:38:09,483 seek feedback on a proposal to construct 97 00:38:09,483 --> 00:38:13,563 a 12 foot wide paved road with periodic pull offs 98 00:38:13,563 --> 00:38:18,133 within an existing 20 foot wide shared use access easement 99 00:38:18,133 --> 00:38:20,515 through the master plan site. 100 00:38:20,515 --> 00:38:23,576 To the landlocked parcel to the north 101 00:38:23,576 --> 00:38:26,267 which is being developed from agricultural land 102 00:38:26,267 --> 00:38:28,463 into a solar farm. 103 00:38:28,463 --> 00:38:33,863 The current easement areas and for the first approximately 104 00:38:33,913 --> 00:38:37,513 975ft or so shown in red. 105 00:38:37,915 --> 00:38:43,915 Before turning to run Northeast along an existing gravel firmly 106 00:38:44,873 --> 00:38:47,429 that runs through the site. 107 00:38:47,429 --> 00:38:51,995 The new and existing roadways will be 12ft wide with periodic 108 00:38:51,995 --> 00:38:55,149 pull offs paved with asphalt. Drainage improvement 109 00:38:55,149 --> 00:38:57,149 and sediment control and permanent stabilization 110 00:38:57,149 --> 00:39:01,300 of disturbed areas would also be included. 111 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:05,275 Here is a detailed view of the proposed site plan 112 00:39:05,275 --> 00:39:08,343 and a detailed showing the relationship 113 00:39:08,343 --> 00:39:13,143 of the historic building to the new road. 114 00:39:13,289 --> 00:39:18,863 Here are the views of this one at the bottom from the entrance 115 00:39:18,863 --> 00:39:20,783 to the driveway. 116 00:39:20,783 --> 00:39:25,600 You can see one of the barns here 117 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,216 and this image on the bottom. 118 00:39:28,216 --> 00:39:31,830 This top photograph looking Northeast 119 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:33,483 along the existing farmland. 120 00:39:37,883 --> 00:39:41,783 We have presented several alternative access options. 121 00:39:41,783 --> 00:39:44,749 They explored and the reasons they were determined infeasible. 122 00:39:44,749 --> 00:39:48,703 Alternate one included access from Brookville Road to the East 123 00:39:48,703 --> 00:39:50,703 at 4301 Brookville Road. 124 00:39:55,503 --> 00:39:57,810 They discussed access rights with the owner 125 00:39:57,810 --> 00:40:01,430 but the owner declined to discuss or grant access. 126 00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:04,173 It was from the north from Zion Road 127 00:40:04,173 --> 00:40:06,523 and the route was determined infeasible 128 00:40:06,523 --> 00:40:09,363 going to the environmental impacts including 129 00:40:09,363 --> 00:40:13,563 tree clearing and wetlands and associated buffers. 130 00:40:14,143 --> 00:40:18,943 The route was explored also from Zion Road 131 00:40:19,313 --> 00:40:23,513 through the existing Pepco right of way. 132 00:40:25,731 --> 00:40:30,515 That prohibits construction of roadways that run parallel 133 00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:35,149 to the transmission lines and there are transmission lines 134 00:40:35,149 --> 00:40:38,116 that you can see here. 135 00:40:38,116 --> 00:40:41,362 We find the partial paving of the existing farm lane 136 00:40:41,362 --> 00:40:43,396 which is not visible from Brookville Road 137 00:40:43,396 --> 00:40:45,603 that runs along the tree line and property 138 00:40:45,603 --> 00:40:48,363 line of the Northeast section of the historic resource 139 00:40:48,363 --> 00:40:52,762 will not have a substantial impact on the historic resource. 140 00:40:52,762 --> 00:40:55,723 Primary concern is with the construction of the roadway 141 00:40:55,723 --> 00:40:59,663 through the farm fields to the southeastern section 142 00:40:59,663 --> 00:41:01,723 of the Master Plan site. 143 00:41:01,723 --> 00:41:05,736 This portion of the proposed roadway will be visible from -- 144 00:41:05,736 --> 00:41:09,830 and likely from the historic core of the resource although it 145 00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:12,313 will be at a slightly lower elevation than the historic 146 00:41:12,313 --> 00:41:13,363 buildings. 147 00:41:13,363 --> 00:41:17,446 Staff finds at 12ft in width and hugging the tree line 148 00:41:17,446 --> 00:41:21,123 at the southeastern corner of the property for the first 149 00:41:21,123 --> 00:41:25,323 approximately 350ft, the proposal limits the immediate 150 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,729 visual impact from the right of way and disruption 151 00:41:28,729 --> 00:41:30,996 of the spatial relationships of the resource. 152 00:41:30,996 --> 00:41:33,469 Staff finds while the proposed roadway will 153 00:41:33,469 --> 00:41:36,469 cut through existing farmland, it 154 00:41:36,523 --> 00:41:39,523 will not impact the historic order of the resource. 155 00:41:39,523 --> 00:41:42,747 Staff suggests the applicants coordinate with the owners 156 00:41:42,747 --> 00:41:45,643 of the historic resource and surrounding farmlands to discuss 157 00:41:45,643 --> 00:41:49,270 any preferred medication measures such as fencing 158 00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:52,270 or planting that might -- 159 00:41:52,408 --> 00:41:56,203 they may seek to reduce the impact from the historic core. 160 00:41:56,203 --> 00:41:59,910 The absent requests from the property owner and staff 161 00:41:59,910 --> 00:42:02,691 finds the introduction unexpected vertical elements 162 00:42:02,863 --> 00:42:05,603 through the farm field might draw greater attention 163 00:42:05,603 --> 00:42:10,220 to the roadway and may further restrict use of the surrounding 164 00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:11,203 farmland. 165 00:42:11,203 --> 00:42:13,493 Staff notes the applicants indicated 166 00:42:13,493 --> 00:42:18,793 although an unpaid access road was considered common Montgomery 167 00:42:18,793 --> 00:42:22,891 County Fire and Rescue Service determined a paved roadway is 168 00:42:22,891 --> 00:42:26,403 necessary to ensure safe and reliable all weather 169 00:42:26,403 --> 00:42:29,403 access for emergency response vehicles. 170 00:42:29,443 --> 00:42:32,731 For this review staff request the Hpc's feedback 171 00:42:32,731 --> 00:42:34,243 on the following questions. 172 00:42:34,243 --> 00:42:38,163 Has the applicant sufficiently explored alternative options 173 00:42:38,163 --> 00:42:42,430 to renting the proposed road through the master plan site? 174 00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:44,809 Will it have substantial impact on the historic resource 175 00:42:44,809 --> 00:42:48,707 and if so, are there suggestions and mitigation measures 176 00:42:48,707 --> 00:42:51,223 to reduce the visual impact on the historic resource 177 00:42:51,223 --> 00:42:54,659 and any other comments you might have. 178 00:42:54,659 --> 00:42:57,711 Staff recommends the applicants make any revisions 179 00:42:57,711 --> 00:43:01,307 based upon the Hpc's comments and return 180 00:43:01,307 --> 00:43:03,707 for a preliminary consultation. 181 00:43:04,993 --> 00:43:10,643 If the HPC is amenable to the proposed road construction, 182 00:43:10,643 --> 00:43:14,253 the applicant submit full civil engineering plan 183 00:43:14,253 --> 00:43:17,339 showing proposed grading and drainage and erosion 184 00:43:17,339 --> 00:43:19,243 in full detail. 185 00:43:19,243 --> 00:43:21,750 I'm happy to answer any questions 186 00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:24,675 you might have for the staff. 187 00:43:24,723 --> 00:43:28,403 Jeffrey Hains: Do you have any questions for the staff? 188 00:43:28,403 --> 00:43:30,403 Commissioner Galloway? 189 00:43:31,563 --> 00:43:34,303 J. Michael Galway: I have one question. 190 00:43:34,303 --> 00:43:35,595 Thank you for that summary. 191 00:43:35,595 --> 00:43:36,816 It is really well done. 192 00:43:36,816 --> 00:43:39,387 I am assuming that the 20 foot easement was 193 00:43:39,387 --> 00:43:42,283 granted at some point to provide access 194 00:43:42,283 --> 00:43:44,616 to this landlocked property. 195 00:43:44,616 --> 00:43:45,856 Is that true? 196 00:43:45,856 --> 00:43:49,456 Do you know would you know? 197 00:43:49,523 --> 00:43:51,907 >> That is my understanding, yes. 198 00:43:51,907 --> 00:43:56,723 The easement, the Canada it currently through the farmland 199 00:43:56,723 --> 00:43:58,443 is my understanding. 200 00:43:58,443 --> 00:44:03,243 They would have to drive over the farmland. 201 00:44:10,456 --> 00:44:12,203 J. Michael Galway: Thank you. 202 00:44:12,203 --> 00:44:14,919 Jeffrey Hains: I have a question. 203 00:44:14,919 --> 00:44:19,103 At the point where it goes from southeast to Northeast, 204 00:44:19,103 --> 00:44:24,503 do we know approximately how far to the core 205 00:44:25,955 --> 00:44:31,355 of the historic resource, do we know that distance? 206 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:35,603 Jeffrey Hains: The distance up -- 207 00:44:38,456 --> 00:44:40,533 >> The distance up here between the thread? 208 00:44:40,533 --> 00:44:41,463 I don't know. 209 00:44:41,463 --> 00:44:47,430 I don't know for sure but I could try to measure the. 210 00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:50,396 Jeffrey Hains: Also if I may ask, 211 00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:54,596 the photograph on this slide, the bottom 212 00:44:56,350 --> 00:44:59,350 is from Brookville Road, correct? 213 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,220 >> Yes, there's that sort of driveway entrance. 214 00:45:09,483 --> 00:45:12,779 Jeffrey Hains: During the summer months before they leaves drop, 215 00:45:12,779 --> 00:45:15,736 the historic core is pretty much hidden by the tree 216 00:45:15,736 --> 00:45:19,336 line on the upper left Corner. 217 00:45:19,859 --> 00:45:21,859 Is that accurate? 218 00:45:24,827 --> 00:45:30,803 The core of the resource would not have a direct open view 219 00:45:30,803 --> 00:45:32,803 to the century? 220 00:45:42,766 --> 00:45:43,558 >> That is correct. 221 00:45:43,558 --> 00:45:49,558 You typically want to review the plans with absent foliage. 222 00:45:55,571 --> 00:46:00,371 Jeffrey Hains: Are there any questions for staff? 223 00:46:10,659 --> 00:46:13,131 Rebecca: It is about 660 to 670ft. 224 00:46:13,131 --> 00:46:17,331 It is about 0.13 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you. 225 00:46:21,288 --> 00:46:21,955 Good, thank you. 226 00:46:21,955 --> 00:46:25,555 Are there any questions for staff? 227 00:46:30,803 --> 00:46:38,300 I will ask the applicant to turn on his mic and audio. 228 00:46:44,843 --> 00:46:51,443 I believe you will have seven minutes to make a presentation. 229 00:46:56,365 --> 00:46:58,782 >> I don't know if I'll be able to supply a whole lot more 230 00:46:58,782 --> 00:47:02,300 information than the incredible detailed report that Laura just 231 00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:02,643 gave us. 232 00:47:02,643 --> 00:47:04,568 But I will give it a shot. 233 00:47:04,568 --> 00:47:06,603 I will have something prepared. 234 00:47:06,603 --> 00:47:12,523 Jeffrey Hains: The other option is we can ask you questions. 235 00:47:12,523 --> 00:47:15,860 >> I certainly really don't have much more to add. 236 00:47:15,860 --> 00:47:16,963 Laura was really thorough and I was 237 00:47:16,963 --> 00:47:22,363 going to touch every single base that she covered. 238 00:47:24,803 --> 00:47:27,616 I am happy to field as many questions 239 00:47:27,616 --> 00:47:30,243 as you would like to fire away. 240 00:47:30,243 --> 00:47:31,779 Jeffrey Hains: Okay. 241 00:47:31,779 --> 00:47:33,779 For the applicant. 242 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:39,430 >> I can't believe I did not remember to turn my mic on. 243 00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:42,430 Are there any pullouts proposed ? 244 00:47:48,749 --> 00:47:50,503 Have you gotten that far. 245 00:47:50,503 --> 00:47:52,762 >> I have not gotten down far the planning yet. 246 00:47:52,762 --> 00:47:56,243 There could be one pull off in the new existing farm road. 247 00:47:56,243 --> 00:48:02,243 But it'll likely be along the existing farm lane paramedic 248 00:48:03,243 --> 00:48:03,883 >> Okay. 249 00:48:03,883 --> 00:48:05,467 This is a private road? 250 00:48:05,467 --> 00:48:07,867 Not a public road? 251 00:48:09,443 --> 00:48:10,540 >> That is correct. 252 00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:14,123 To go back to answer a question previously raised to the staff, 253 00:48:14,123 --> 00:48:16,723 the access that you are seeing on the screen 254 00:48:16,723 --> 00:48:19,423 was granted via a consent order. 255 00:48:19,423 --> 00:48:22,259 I believe this was in 2025 to grant the access 256 00:48:22,259 --> 00:48:25,859 to the property to the north. 257 00:48:27,563 --> 00:48:28,940 >> I was wondering. 258 00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:34,743 If it was a private road, would there also be a gate or signage? 259 00:48:34,743 --> 00:48:37,243 >> We would not have the gate until it would get all the way 260 00:48:37,243 --> 00:48:39,987 north above the transmission corridor to the entrance 261 00:48:39,987 --> 00:48:41,369 to the solar facility. 262 00:48:41,369 --> 00:48:45,238 At the end of the day, the landowner 263 00:48:45,238 --> 00:48:47,259 has intentions of building a residence 264 00:48:47,259 --> 00:48:50,277 and he owns the parcel to the north of us 265 00:48:50,277 --> 00:48:55,163 and has intentions of building residents in the future. 266 00:48:55,163 --> 00:48:58,949 >> There would not be a gate or a signage? 267 00:48:58,949 --> 00:49:01,923 >> No signage and that is correct. 268 00:49:01,923 --> 00:49:03,923 >> Okay, thanks. 269 00:49:13,327 --> 00:49:14,869 >> Commissioner Haynes, I have a few. 270 00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:19,494 How much traffic would you be expected to see on the road day 271 00:49:19,494 --> 00:49:23,940 to day and week to week? 272 00:49:23,163 --> 00:49:24,483 >> Great question. 273 00:49:24,483 --> 00:49:27,696 I will answer that in two parts. 274 00:49:27,696 --> 00:49:30,363 The first part being construction. 275 00:49:30,363 --> 00:49:32,178 During the construction of the project, 276 00:49:32,178 --> 00:49:36,590 we would experience the typical construction equipment 277 00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:41,459 and it would likely last anywhere from 9 to 12 months. 278 00:49:42,597 --> 00:49:48,499 The number of cars come I don't have the answer to that. 279 00:49:48,499 --> 00:49:51,323 Once this project becomes operational, 280 00:49:51,323 --> 00:49:56,467 I would expect maybe one visit a quarter from a technician 281 00:49:56,467 --> 00:50:02,467 and once or twice per year for landscaping per knowing. 282 00:50:06,869 --> 00:50:09,803 Jeffrey Hains: The projects will build very little traffic? 283 00:50:09,803 --> 00:50:10,563 >> Very minimal. 284 00:50:10,563 --> 00:50:13,323 You may see less than ten trips a year on the road. 285 00:50:13,323 --> 00:50:16,579 Jeffrey Hains: Other than solar panels, 286 00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:20,779 are there any structures on the property? 287 00:50:26,654 --> 00:50:28,571 >> There is currently nothing on the property. 288 00:50:28,571 --> 00:50:31,789 We will develop the solar panels in necessary equipment 289 00:50:31,789 --> 00:50:35,989 to interconnect the project to the utility. 290 00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:42,330 No other buildings or structures at this point are planned. 291 00:50:42,563 --> 00:50:48,563 We are coming to you in a very unique scenario . 292 00:50:48,808 --> 00:50:50,949 We have been in very early conversations 293 00:50:50,949 --> 00:50:53,443 with the planning and Zoning Department 294 00:50:53,443 --> 00:50:58,514 and they wanted us to come to you to sort of get 295 00:50:58,514 --> 00:51:02,736 your, lack of a better term, blessing to move forward and get 296 00:51:02,736 --> 00:51:04,403 toward the full development and get down 297 00:51:04,403 --> 00:51:08,750 the road for full engineering and construction level drawings 298 00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:13,475 we would come back ultimately with the applicable application. 299 00:51:20,706 --> 00:51:22,123 Jeffrey Hains: My understanding is 300 00:51:22,123 --> 00:51:28,723 that you have spoken to the fire Marshal about the road. 301 00:51:28,883 --> 00:51:30,883 >> That is correct. 302 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:37,740 Jeffrey Hains: They prefer asphalt? 303 00:51:38,283 --> 00:51:39,803 J. Michael Galway: A point to make. 304 00:51:39,803 --> 00:51:42,103 On many Montgomery County schools, 305 00:51:42,103 --> 00:51:46,330 they use permeable vapors around the building 306 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:47,307 for fire truck access. 307 00:51:47,307 --> 00:51:52,707 There are many heavy duty paver systems out there . 308 00:51:57,169 --> 00:52:00,769 Is this not an acceptable solution ? 309 00:52:03,811 --> 00:52:09,211 Or perhaps, the southeast portion of the road that 310 00:52:09,483 --> 00:52:11,883 could transition to asphalt? 311 00:52:19,468 --> 00:52:21,983 >> That's a valid question and I would love for you to join 312 00:52:21,983 --> 00:52:23,893 the conversation. 313 00:52:23,893 --> 00:52:26,917 We would love to do a gravel road 314 00:52:26,917 --> 00:52:30,627 but we would have to provide an all weather access. 315 00:52:30,627 --> 00:52:34,490 And very bluntly, we were told not to come back 316 00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:36,890 without a paved road. 317 00:52:38,603 --> 00:52:41,443 >> Very good, thank you for your response. 318 00:52:41,443 --> 00:52:43,843 Michael and commissioner Galloway? 319 00:52:49,123 --> 00:52:52,300 J. Michael Galway: Willoughby from overhead out 320 00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:53,531 to the street or underground? 321 00:52:53,531 --> 00:52:57,131 What do you envision from that? 322 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:00,592 >> There are two options. 323 00:53:00,592 --> 00:53:02,907 We can interconnect along the Pepco transmission line 324 00:53:02,907 --> 00:53:05,779 or we can potentially do underground utilities 325 00:53:05,779 --> 00:53:07,843 down the access road down to Brookville. 326 00:53:07,843 --> 00:53:13,843 If we do the second option it will be underground. 327 00:53:21,251 --> 00:53:22,844 Rebecca: Not a question. 328 00:53:22,844 --> 00:53:25,563 I want to add some more information to the question 329 00:53:25,563 --> 00:53:28,690 you had posed to the applicant because I 330 00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:32,309 have been on a number of these pre-application meetings 331 00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:35,509 with the fire department and their planners 332 00:53:35,509 --> 00:53:41,963 and a number of other cases with them involving solar facilities. 333 00:53:41,963 --> 00:53:46,819 Even the Planning Board and this is a little bit of context, 334 00:53:46,819 --> 00:53:48,895 there was a case for the facility that 335 00:53:48,895 --> 00:53:51,496 came to the planning board for comments for conditional use 336 00:53:51,496 --> 00:53:54,291 that had to go to the hearing examiner. 337 00:53:54,291 --> 00:53:58,139 The planning board in that case requested a gravel road 338 00:53:58,139 --> 00:53:59,795 and permeable paver. 339 00:53:59,795 --> 00:54:02,796 When it came down to the final building permit, 340 00:54:02,796 --> 00:54:05,669 it had to be changed to a paved road. 341 00:54:05,669 --> 00:54:08,430 The position of the fire chief and the planners 342 00:54:08,430 --> 00:54:11,333 is because with the solar facilities and the transmission 343 00:54:11,333 --> 00:54:14,603 lines come it's because there is a risk of fire with them 344 00:54:14,603 --> 00:54:17,430 you would not have another public facilities 345 00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:20,901 like a hospital or a school or pretty much anything else. 346 00:54:20,901 --> 00:54:23,117 The need for the fire department to have 347 00:54:23,117 --> 00:54:26,380 a paved road of a certain width to be 348 00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:29,403 able to get to the site and all kinds of weather. 349 00:54:29,403 --> 00:54:34,203 The safety considerations have outweighed every other type 350 00:54:35,635 --> 00:54:40,435 of concern other regulatory bodies have brought up. 351 00:54:41,211 --> 00:54:44,879 It doesn't mean the HPC couldn't also 352 00:54:44,879 --> 00:54:47,459 bring that concern up and request that 353 00:54:47,459 --> 00:54:53,459 but that's been my background with more of these projects. 354 00:54:53,723 --> 00:54:55,451 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you. 355 00:54:55,451 --> 00:54:57,403 That was quite helpful information 356 00:54:57,403 --> 00:54:59,803 and understanding their position. 357 00:55:01,323 --> 00:55:03,323 Commissioner? 358 00:55:09,586 --> 00:55:11,803 Marc Dominianni: Following that same line of inquiry, 359 00:55:11,803 --> 00:55:13,371 I've been seeing around the county 360 00:55:13,371 --> 00:55:16,783 the favor of installing Swales and new forms of Greenwich 361 00:55:16,783 --> 00:55:19,560 along large paved areas. 362 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,771 I am wondering how the grading for the project how something 363 00:55:23,771 --> 00:55:27,743 would be built in when it comes to like the roadside ditch 364 00:55:27,743 --> 00:55:28,723 or something else. 365 00:55:28,723 --> 00:55:31,348 I have a better sense -- 366 00:55:31,348 --> 00:55:33,635 I have been on many of the gravel farm roads 367 00:55:33,635 --> 00:55:35,181 around the county. 368 00:55:35,181 --> 00:55:40,581 I'm curious how that would all affect the project. 369 00:55:47,645 --> 00:55:52,830 >> We are asking how we manage or plan on managing stormwater? 370 00:55:52,830 --> 00:55:56,350 Marc Dominianni: Ditches and wells and other stuff, 371 00:55:56,350 --> 00:55:59,350 would be useful to know. 372 00:55:59,603 --> 00:56:02,263 >> We are in our preliminary stages of design. 373 00:56:02,263 --> 00:56:05,783 We have been working with Montgomery County Stormwater 374 00:56:05,783 --> 00:56:10,463 planners and we discussed using as many environmental features 375 00:56:10,463 --> 00:56:14,630 such as Swales that we can. 376 00:56:14,936 --> 00:56:18,536 The final design is still TBD. 377 00:56:22,643 --> 00:56:26,403 This is a very conceptual and high level design 378 00:56:26,403 --> 00:56:30,603 that we are looking at here at. 379 00:56:42,432 --> 00:56:43,807 Jeffrey Hains: One more question. 380 00:56:43,807 --> 00:56:44,855 Alternate to. 381 00:56:44,855 --> 00:56:48,455 Can we pull that alternate up? 382 00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:57,830 Consideration to work with with Our Lady of Perpetual help. 383 00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:06,448 It seems like two thirds of the road 384 00:57:06,448 --> 00:57:12,448 is built if you can work a deal with them. 385 00:57:16,694 --> 00:57:18,777 >> The biggest constraint we have on the option is 386 00:57:18,777 --> 00:57:20,777 the environmental features. 387 00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:23,749 Montgomery County will not allow us 388 00:57:23,749 --> 00:57:29,712 to do any tree clearing then any buffer areas of wetlands. 389 00:57:29,712 --> 00:57:34,187 We wouldn't be able to build the access road coming 390 00:57:34,187 --> 00:57:36,843 across where you see all the green highlighted 391 00:57:36,843 --> 00:57:37,979 and shaded areas. 392 00:57:37,979 --> 00:57:40,379 Those are all wetlands. 393 00:57:53,106 --> 00:57:55,882 Jeffrey Hains: Plans to expand the wetlands? 394 00:57:55,882 --> 00:57:59,482 >> It is a protected water source. 395 00:57:59,882 --> 00:58:01,882 Jeffrey Hains: Okay. 396 00:58:02,708 --> 00:58:05,108 >> I would love to. 397 00:58:09,217 --> 00:58:11,183 Jeffrey Hains: Okay very good. 398 00:58:11,183 --> 00:58:13,771 If there are no more questions for the applicants, 399 00:58:13,771 --> 00:58:16,789 I will open it up for general discussion 400 00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:18,789 between the commissioners. 401 00:58:27,922 --> 00:58:29,922 Commissioner Galloway? 402 00:58:32,643 --> 00:58:34,371 J. Michael Galway: Thanks. 403 00:58:34,371 --> 00:58:38,768 I will address the questions that staff had 404 00:58:38,768 --> 00:58:42,368 to sort of give you my $0.02. 405 00:58:42,779 --> 00:58:46,379 Has the applicant's explored alternative options? 406 00:58:47,103 --> 00:58:49,629 It seems like based on what I heard tonight, 407 00:58:49,629 --> 00:58:51,679 the answer to that is yes. 408 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:55,279 You had basically three substantive suggestions 409 00:58:56,689 --> 00:58:59,394 and recommendations and it sounds like you 410 00:58:59,394 --> 00:59:00,731 have explored them all. 411 00:59:00,731 --> 00:59:03,731 I think that a -- 412 00:59:07,363 --> 00:59:10,296 I think that is satisfactory. 413 00:59:10,296 --> 00:59:13,473 The fire departments require at least the first section 414 00:59:13,473 --> 00:59:15,280 of the road to be paved. 415 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,843 The rest of it I would not be too concerned 416 00:59:17,843 --> 00:59:21,763 once we got out of sort of a view it can turn and change. 417 00:59:21,763 --> 00:59:24,470 The fire department is saying it has to be a paved road 418 00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:26,989 and I don't see anything around that. 419 00:59:26,989 --> 00:59:33,376 The good news is, the topography is helping us out a little bit. 420 00:59:33,376 --> 00:59:35,483 Gets a little bit lower. 421 00:59:35,483 --> 00:59:40,283 I would certainly say stay away from trying 422 00:59:40,699 --> 00:59:46,843 to augment the road with any sort of tree line or fencing 423 00:59:46,843 --> 00:59:47,933 or anything. 424 00:59:47,933 --> 00:59:49,669 The simpler the better. 425 00:59:49,669 --> 00:59:51,703 As long as it stays flat and stays 426 00:59:51,703 --> 00:59:56,503 low to the ground as it comes across, 427 00:59:57,936 --> 01:00:00,596 it isn't going to be particularly, 428 01:00:00,596 --> 01:00:03,409 it's not going to be visual. 429 01:00:03,409 --> 01:00:05,211 The impact to the historic resource 430 01:00:05,211 --> 01:00:07,536 is going to be pretty small. 431 01:00:07,536 --> 01:00:11,983 In terms of other mitigation measures, I looked at, 432 01:00:11,983 --> 01:00:16,643 would it make sense to go around the swale or will you 433 01:00:16,643 --> 01:00:18,540 have a culvert of some sort? 434 01:00:18,540 --> 01:00:22,387 Could you go with a bridge structure over it? 435 01:00:22,387 --> 01:00:24,779 I'm not sure about the time you get back, 436 01:00:24,779 --> 01:00:30,179 it'll make a difference one way or the other. 437 01:00:31,830 --> 01:00:37,830 The road is what it is and it's minimal impact. 438 01:00:37,419 --> 01:00:43,419 I don't know that I have any other further comments. 439 01:00:45,794 --> 01:00:47,794 Jeffrey Hains: 440 01:00:51,203 --> 01:00:54,203 Marc Dominianni: Everything Commissioner Galloway said and I 441 01:00:54,203 --> 01:01:02,300 tend to come I guess, feel like 660ft by the math is adequately 442 01:01:06,823 --> 01:01:09,883 -- there could be a gate or signage or anything else down 443 01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:11,183 the road. 444 01:01:11,183 --> 01:01:14,211 The installation down there will detract 445 01:01:14,211 --> 01:01:16,203 from the historic character. 446 01:01:16,203 --> 01:01:21,300 It is still very far away from that. 447 01:01:22,523 --> 01:01:26,123 The mitigation required considering the topography. 448 01:01:26,923 --> 01:01:30,389 They have sufficiently explored other ways to do this. 449 01:01:30,389 --> 01:01:32,389 Thank you. 450 01:01:33,723 --> 01:01:35,603 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you. 451 01:01:35,603 --> 01:01:37,603 Commissioner Saundra Prather . 452 01:01:42,241 --> 01:01:44,283 Saundra Prather : I want to applaud the applicant 453 01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:47,283 for sufficiently exploring other options. 454 01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:54,703 It sounds like you've been thorough to reach out 455 01:01:54,703 --> 01:01:58,723 the proper officials and to weigh in on your plan 456 01:01:58,723 --> 01:02:03,147 and to really be proactive in getting some answers as well 457 01:02:03,147 --> 01:02:06,115 as some solutions put forward. 458 01:02:06,115 --> 01:02:09,555 I want to go to bullet two in terms of, 459 01:02:09,555 --> 01:02:11,899 will the proposed road have substantial impact 460 01:02:11,899 --> 01:02:14,230 on the historic resource? 461 01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:18,651 I believe that the evidence shows that it would not have 462 01:02:18,651 --> 01:02:22,851 a substantial impact on the historic resource . 463 01:02:28,974 --> 01:02:30,432 As a measure of putting it forward, 464 01:02:30,432 --> 01:02:36,123 I would recommend that we put no signage or anything 465 01:02:36,123 --> 01:02:40,307 to really disrupt or detract from the historic resource. 466 01:02:40,307 --> 01:02:43,307 Thank you for your thoughtfulness. 467 01:02:43,731 --> 01:02:50,643 I did a drive by and I did agree with the contents of the staff 468 01:02:50,643 --> 01:02:52,643 report. 469 01:02:53,603 --> 01:02:55,603 Commissioner Kaplan? 470 01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:05,883 >> The feedback in every way has minimal impact on the portion 471 01:03:05,883 --> 01:03:06,843 of the road. 472 01:03:06,843 --> 01:03:09,843 That'll be on the property. 473 01:03:11,963 --> 01:03:15,283 If it's possible to have turnouts not on the property 474 01:03:15,283 --> 01:03:21,283 it'll be great if we really need to have one. 475 01:03:23,123 --> 01:03:28,523 Perhaps the turnout can be some other surface material. 476 01:03:34,643 --> 01:03:39,163 Adding fences or trees might increase the impact 477 01:03:39,163 --> 01:03:42,443 so we wouldn't want to do that. 478 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:45,830 We can regrade and do better to. 479 01:03:45,830 --> 01:03:47,830 So. 480 01:03:47,643 --> 01:03:50,613 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you Commissioner Kaplan. 481 01:03:50,613 --> 01:03:54,213 Would you like to chime in? 482 01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:03,143 Jeffrey Hains: I have nothing further to add 483 01:04:03,143 --> 01:04:09,143 and I agree with my fellow commissioners on their comments. 484 01:04:17,483 --> 01:04:22,899 The road will have minimum impact on the historic resource. 485 01:04:22,899 --> 01:04:27,423 So with that come I think you are hearing a positive support 486 01:04:27,423 --> 01:04:28,631 for the project. 487 01:04:28,631 --> 01:04:32,563 You can go on to the next step. 488 01:04:32,563 --> 01:04:36,300 One question I have for Rebecca. 489 01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:41,403 Will we be seeing or reviewing the Civil engineering 490 01:04:44,483 --> 01:04:45,654 development on this? 491 01:04:45,654 --> 01:04:50,454 Or does it go to the permit folks? 492 01:04:52,443 --> 01:04:56,403 Rebecca: You can certainly request it if you wanted to. 493 01:04:56,403 --> 01:04:59,283 The applicant as you alluded to is here now in front of you 494 01:04:59,283 --> 01:05:03,643 guys to more or less get the HPC support 495 01:05:03,643 --> 01:05:08,443 before he has to go to his mandatory referral 496 01:05:08,443 --> 01:05:10,616 at the Planning Board. 497 01:05:10,616 --> 01:05:14,169 That is the next board level step. 498 01:05:14,169 --> 01:05:18,411 If the HPC is largely supportive of the project which 499 01:05:18,411 --> 01:05:21,629 it sounds like you are, you can proceed 500 01:05:21,629 --> 01:05:25,350 to his mandatory referral of the Planning Board 501 01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:27,763 and then develop the civil engineering 502 01:05:27,763 --> 01:05:29,683 drawings including all the stormwater 503 01:05:29,683 --> 01:05:31,448 management he needs to do. 504 01:05:31,448 --> 01:05:37,196 They would have to be part of the Hop anyways. 505 01:05:37,196 --> 01:05:40,808 And then come back when he has all his civil drawings 506 01:05:40,808 --> 01:05:43,549 and stormwater including the stormwater management 507 01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:45,549 and anything else. 508 01:05:47,163 --> 01:05:52,808 It can be part of the final hop at a later time. 509 01:05:52,808 --> 01:05:55,789 In fact, I would not recommend that he does just 510 01:05:55,789 --> 01:05:59,123 in case the Planning Board has additional comments that they 511 01:05:59,123 --> 01:06:03,323 want to see incorporated into the design. 512 01:06:03,683 --> 01:06:06,965 You can see the additional package 513 01:06:06,965 --> 01:06:11,283 if that is something you would like as part of the hop. 514 01:06:11,283 --> 01:06:13,679 Jeffrey Hains: I would myself perfectly say no. 515 01:06:13,679 --> 01:06:15,536 We can review it at the hop level of. 516 01:06:15,536 --> 01:06:17,703 But I want to hear what my fellow commissioners have 517 01:06:17,703 --> 01:06:20,663 to say with regards to that. 518 01:06:20,663 --> 01:06:26,663 So, Commissioner Bond , do you have any feelings one way 519 01:06:26,767 --> 01:06:28,767 or another? 520 01:06:34,786 --> 01:06:40,186 Carly Bond: We can review at the hub level. 521 01:06:40,995 --> 01:06:42,995 [Members voting]. 522 01:06:44,898 --> 01:06:46,220 Jeffrey Hains: Very good. 523 01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:52,220 Then we will review the civil at the hub level. 524 01:06:55,163 --> 01:06:59,133 You may proceed to the next step. 525 01:06:59,133 --> 01:06:59,675 >> Excellent. 526 01:06:59,675 --> 01:07:00,660 Thank you so much. 527 01:07:00,660 --> 01:07:03,339 I would like to share my gratitude to both Laura 528 01:07:03,339 --> 01:07:04,163 and Rebecca. 529 01:07:04,163 --> 01:07:08,452 They were both so incredibly thorough and easy to work 530 01:07:08,452 --> 01:07:09,874 with throughout the whole process. 531 01:07:09,874 --> 01:07:12,771 Thank you for getting us here tonight. 532 01:07:12,771 --> 01:07:19,971 Thank you all for your time and I appreciate the Jeffrey Hains: 533 01:07:20,975 --> 01:07:21,475 Thank you. 534 01:07:21,475 --> 01:07:26,835 We will move on to preliminary to be at ten 701 535 01:07:26,835 --> 01:07:29,235 Keswick Street Tariq Park. 536 01:07:30,403 --> 01:07:34,300 Do we have a staff report? 537 01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:49,697 >> This is our fourth preliminary consultation 538 01:07:49,697 --> 01:07:52,970 at the subject property. 539 01:07:55,283 --> 01:08:00,830 The master plan site and the revival house 540 01:08:00,536 --> 01:08:04,713 constructed circa 1894 to be reviewed under 24 a 541 01:08:04,713 --> 01:08:06,891 and the Secretary of Interior Standards. 542 01:08:06,891 --> 01:08:10,419 It's in Garrett Park and it's not part of the Garrett Park 543 01:08:10,419 --> 01:08:12,419 Historic District. 544 01:08:15,443 --> 01:08:17,733 They proposed a single family house 545 01:08:17,733 --> 01:08:21,853 in the environmental setting and expand the existing curb cut 546 01:08:21,853 --> 01:08:25,453 and hardscaping and regrade the lot. 547 01:08:29,387 --> 01:08:31,259 The proposal includes an accessory structure 548 01:08:31,259 --> 01:08:33,303 and it was supported and details of that 549 01:08:33,303 --> 01:08:36,763 were not included in the preliminary consultation. 550 01:08:36,763 --> 01:08:38,283 Taking a step back. 551 01:08:38,283 --> 01:08:42,483 Back in April of 2025, the HPC recommended an approval 552 01:08:42,483 --> 01:08:45,235 of the administrative subdivision creating the subject 553 01:08:45,235 --> 01:08:47,379 lot with the intent of constructing a single family 554 01:08:47,379 --> 01:08:48,763 house on it. 555 01:08:48,763 --> 01:08:51,763 Beginning in December 2025, they held 556 01:08:52,699 --> 01:08:55,323 a series of preliminary consultations evaluating 557 01:08:55,323 --> 01:09:00,300 the design of the house and most of the objections related 558 01:09:00,300 --> 01:09:03,803 to the proposed massing of the House finding 559 01:09:03,803 --> 01:09:06,395 that it was too massive and would compete 560 01:09:06,395 --> 01:09:08,795 with the historic house. 561 01:09:09,223 --> 01:09:13,990 We held the third preliminary consultation and this was 562 01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:15,803 a radical revision of the design and HPC was 563 01:09:15,803 --> 01:09:17,483 supportive of the direction. 564 01:09:17,483 --> 01:09:19,883 And provided prescriptive recommendations 565 01:09:19,983 --> 01:09:24,820 on how to emphasize the horizontality of the design 566 01:09:24,820 --> 01:09:30,220 to better blend in with the landscape for compatibility. 567 01:09:45,803 --> 01:09:48,203 The environmental settings designed 568 01:09:49,298 --> 01:09:51,683 to avoid capturing the existing outbuilding 569 01:09:51,683 --> 01:09:58,283 and will include a new expanded driveway along with the house. 570 01:09:59,830 --> 01:10:01,483 The structure is behind. 571 01:10:06,683 --> 01:10:09,683 We have substantially wider eaves. 572 01:10:13,523 --> 01:10:16,515 They've been expanded to four feet. 573 01:10:16,515 --> 01:10:20,115 The porch heights have been lowered 574 01:10:20,387 --> 01:10:22,253 and the columns have been redesigned 575 01:10:22,253 --> 01:10:25,853 to emphasize with a closer connection 576 01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:32,499 with the ground the brick portion in the projection 577 01:10:37,589 --> 01:10:39,523 has been eliminated. 578 01:10:39,523 --> 01:10:43,123 The second story windows were raised 579 01:10:44,350 --> 01:10:46,973 and the staff finds all the changes helped 580 01:10:46,973 --> 01:10:50,131 to emphasize the horizontality of the building which 581 01:10:50,131 --> 01:10:54,489 is in direct contrast with the politically oriented house. 582 01:10:54,489 --> 01:10:59,203 On the right side, we see that the siding 583 01:10:59,203 --> 01:11:01,583 continues wrapping around the first floor 584 01:11:01,583 --> 01:11:03,583 and decorative banding. 585 01:11:03,583 --> 01:11:07,323 The windows have been raised on the second floor. 586 01:11:07,323 --> 01:11:13,323 On the left side, much lower for the wraparound porch. 587 01:11:23,723 --> 01:11:27,923 The second floor and the fibrous siding. 588 01:11:31,363 --> 01:11:36,763 It hasn't changed at all from the previous submission. 589 01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:41,675 The house is separated to some 80ft. 590 01:11:41,675 --> 01:11:45,875 It's 20ft height is approximately two thirds 591 01:11:46,493 --> 01:11:50,830 of the height of the true house. 592 01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:55,483 The applicant provided details on identified them as fiberglass 593 01:11:55,483 --> 01:11:58,483 with a prairie board or. 594 01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:01,797 They note that there is a range of quality 595 01:12:01,797 --> 01:12:03,623 and what fiberglass is. 596 01:12:03,623 --> 01:12:07,223 The detailed specifications and perhaps window 597 01:12:07,459 --> 01:12:10,949 sample depending on the staff and the Hbc's familiarity 598 01:12:10,949 --> 01:12:12,949 with that. 599 01:12:14,163 --> 01:12:19,563 And he applied grilles need to be simulated divided 600 01:12:19,811 --> 01:12:23,699 with the permanent exterior and interior grills 601 01:12:23,699 --> 01:12:25,663 and the girls within the glass would not 602 01:12:25,663 --> 01:12:28,663 be appropriate for infill construction. 603 01:12:35,363 --> 01:12:39,648 The note also indicates there be a side path 604 01:12:39,648 --> 01:12:41,675 created in the side entrance which 605 01:12:41,675 --> 01:12:45,536 is not shown on the site plan. 606 01:12:45,536 --> 01:12:48,443 Staff finds the contemporary interpretation of the Prairie 607 01:12:48,443 --> 01:12:51,443 style which stresses the horizontality is 608 01:12:51,443 --> 01:12:55,830 inappropriate contrast of the tall historic house that 609 01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:58,743 blends in with the mid-century modern houses in the surrounding 610 01:12:58,743 --> 01:13:00,243 neighborhood even though that's not 611 01:13:00,243 --> 01:13:03,103 a criteria for the evaluation. 612 01:13:03,103 --> 01:13:05,580 The overall dimensions have not changed 613 01:13:05,580 --> 01:13:08,915 from the last preliminary consultation which the HPC found 614 01:13:08,915 --> 01:13:10,243 were generally compatible. 615 01:13:10,243 --> 01:13:14,303 We find the applicant responded to the comments 616 01:13:14,303 --> 01:13:16,815 from the last preliminary consultation including 617 01:13:16,815 --> 01:13:19,795 the wider eaves and the decorative banding 618 01:13:19,795 --> 01:13:22,795 and the change in siting. 619 01:13:23,263 --> 01:13:26,563 The findings the House would not visually 620 01:13:26,563 --> 01:13:31,963 compete with the historic house and they are appropriately 621 01:13:32,243 --> 01:13:33,907 sized for the house. 622 01:13:33,907 --> 01:13:35,976 The revisions to the front porch perfectly 623 01:13:35,976 --> 01:13:38,419 emphasizes the horizontality of the house 624 01:13:38,419 --> 01:13:42,123 as directed by the HPC and the foundation changes 625 01:13:42,123 --> 01:13:44,819 help to anchor the design in the ground 626 01:13:44,819 --> 01:13:47,347 and are consistent with the feedback provided 627 01:13:47,347 --> 01:13:49,283 by the commissioners. 628 01:13:49,283 --> 01:13:52,283 Regrading the site as appropriate 629 01:13:53,163 --> 01:13:56,976 and it is quite frankly necessary to access it. 630 01:13:56,976 --> 01:14:01,903 With the hop, we need to see detailed landscape drawings that 631 01:14:01,903 --> 01:14:03,909 show existing proposed dimensions 632 01:14:03,909 --> 01:14:06,309 and specifications our requirement 633 01:14:07,243 --> 01:14:09,643 of a complete application. 634 01:14:10,373 --> 01:14:14,933 We are concerned about the total amount of impervious surface 635 01:14:14,933 --> 01:14:17,333 shown in the concept. 636 01:14:27,683 --> 01:14:31,883 In general, the paving surfaces be minimized. 637 01:14:34,779 --> 01:14:37,856 And as these plans get further developed, 638 01:14:37,856 --> 01:14:40,413 the applicant should work with the civil engineer 639 01:14:40,413 --> 01:14:45,213 to minimize and eliminate the sidewalls as appropriate. 640 01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:52,423 The tree is identified for removal were discussed earlier. 641 01:14:52,423 --> 01:14:56,385 They were planted by the current owners of the house. 642 01:14:56,385 --> 01:15:01,830 They are no more than 45 years old and are not historic. 643 01:15:01,830 --> 01:15:04,830 They are necessary to accommodate 644 01:15:04,229 --> 01:15:06,243 the construction of the house and the staff 645 01:15:06,243 --> 01:15:07,643 supports their removal. 646 01:15:07,643 --> 01:15:13,430 Tonight's, before the applicant submits a hop, staff request 647 01:15:13,723 --> 01:15:16,803 feedback from the HPC regarding the appropriateness 648 01:15:16,803 --> 01:15:21,223 of the revised massing of the roof and eaves and porch. 649 01:15:21,223 --> 01:15:23,333 The material changes and appropriateness 650 01:15:23,333 --> 01:15:25,813 of the window material and the proposed hardscaping 651 01:15:25,813 --> 01:15:27,771 and any additional comments. 652 01:15:27,771 --> 01:15:31,387 Noted in the staff report the final hop 653 01:15:31,387 --> 01:15:34,387 must include detailed material specifications 654 01:15:35,263 --> 01:15:40,363 including siding materials and windows and porch materials etc. 655 01:15:40,363 --> 01:15:43,508 Including specifications for her skipping materials 656 01:15:43,508 --> 01:15:47,108 and detailed drawings of specified elements 657 01:15:48,163 --> 01:15:49,511 like windows and columns. 658 01:15:49,511 --> 01:15:53,176 There was a diagram of columns included in the submission. 659 01:15:53,176 --> 01:15:58,208 Any other materials that are identified in tonight's hearing. 660 01:15:58,208 --> 01:16:00,613 And building plans and materials and specifications 661 01:16:00,613 --> 01:16:02,603 for the accessory structure are required 662 01:16:02,603 --> 01:16:03,973 for complete application. 663 01:16:03,973 --> 01:16:07,256 The staff notes that that could be 664 01:16:07,256 --> 01:16:10,880 a separate hop at a later date. 665 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,880 As the applicant is ready. 666 01:16:13,307 --> 01:16:18,665 I will answer any questions that you have and at any time 667 01:16:18,665 --> 01:16:21,460 we can refer back to the prompt and I'm 668 01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:27,563 happy to refer back to any images in the staff report. 669 01:16:27,563 --> 01:16:32,363 Jeffrey Hains: Do commissioners have questions for staff? 670 01:16:35,843 --> 01:16:42,563 In that case, we would bite the applicant up paramedic Mr. Dan 671 01:16:42,563 --> 01:16:44,563 Andrews I believe? 672 01:16:49,211 --> 01:16:50,300 >> That is correct. 673 01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:53,923 Jeffrey Hains: You can make a presentation or answer 674 01:16:53,923 --> 01:16:54,443 questions. 675 01:16:54,443 --> 01:16:57,603 If you wish to make a presentation 676 01:16:57,603 --> 01:17:01,603 you will have seven minutes to do so. 677 01:17:01,603 --> 01:17:02,884 >> Okay come on thank you. 678 01:17:02,884 --> 01:17:04,259 I don't have a full presentation. 679 01:17:04,259 --> 01:17:09,530 We have come a long way since my initial first proposal. 680 01:17:09,530 --> 01:17:11,288 I understand the staff report and I'm 681 01:17:11,288 --> 01:17:12,663 grateful for the staff's support. 682 01:17:12,663 --> 01:17:16,113 After the July meeting, the designed 683 01:17:16,113 --> 01:17:19,723 to address the feedback and Dan covered that. 684 01:17:19,723 --> 01:17:24,523 I look forward to hearing the commissioners comments. 685 01:17:30,889 --> 01:17:32,389 Jeffrey Hains: Do commissioners have 686 01:17:32,389 --> 01:17:34,789 questions for the applicant? 687 01:17:44,963 --> 01:17:47,691 Any questions for the applicant? 688 01:17:47,691 --> 01:17:54,291 We will begin our dialog amongst ourselves and give you feedback. 689 01:18:04,721 --> 01:18:06,763 J. Michael Galway: This is Commissioner Galloway. 690 01:18:06,763 --> 01:18:11,603 I am happy to say that I don't want to see this other than it 691 01:18:11,603 --> 01:18:13,403 being a hop. 692 01:18:13,403 --> 01:18:18,337 I think you hit the nail on the head that it has come a long way 693 01:18:18,337 --> 01:18:20,673 and I think at this point we are getting 694 01:18:20,673 --> 01:18:22,867 into refining the details. 695 01:18:22,867 --> 01:18:26,467 I think from my perspective, following 696 01:18:26,803 --> 01:18:29,709 the staff's recommendations for sure, 697 01:18:29,709 --> 01:18:32,290 I think they are all good recommendations 698 01:18:32,290 --> 01:18:36,583 to include that information in the hub and submitted that way. 699 01:18:36,583 --> 01:18:39,128 I am perfectly happy and I don't want 700 01:18:39,128 --> 01:18:42,691 to go through the whole thing, I think your material changes 701 01:18:42,691 --> 01:18:44,691 are spot on. 702 01:18:44,843 --> 01:18:48,453 I don't have a comment one way or the other. 703 01:18:48,453 --> 01:18:50,788 The thought of hardscaping is something 704 01:18:50,788 --> 01:18:54,369 you have to really look at and that can make or break 705 01:18:54,369 --> 01:18:57,443 your drive up to the front of the house paramedic 706 01:18:57,443 --> 01:19:01,630 we can definitely focus on that to make sure you have something 707 01:19:01,630 --> 01:19:03,418 you are satisfied with and something 708 01:19:03,418 --> 01:19:05,309 that will compliment the house. 709 01:19:05,309 --> 01:19:09,696 Other than that I don't know that I have. 710 01:19:09,696 --> 01:19:15,123 The changes you made from the last preliminary are certainly, 711 01:19:15,123 --> 01:19:16,587 they are improvements. 712 01:19:16,587 --> 01:19:19,560 But I do think we're getting to the point 713 01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,189 where it is just the final details 714 01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:23,123 and I think that can be covered as part 715 01:19:23,123 --> 01:19:25,987 of the submission of the hop. 716 01:19:25,987 --> 01:19:29,587 Thank you for all your efforts. 717 01:19:35,202 --> 01:19:36,827 >> I agree with commissioners comments. 718 01:19:36,827 --> 01:19:39,743 The provisions are particularly successful 719 01:19:39,743 --> 01:19:43,290 and I also like the changes to the materials of the base 720 01:19:43,290 --> 01:19:44,629 and the build of the house. 721 01:19:44,629 --> 01:19:47,130 I think that is also a very successful change. 722 01:19:47,130 --> 01:19:49,130 So thank you. 723 01:19:50,687 --> 01:19:53,687 Jeffrey Hains: Commissioner Marc Dominianni. 724 01:19:54,883 --> 01:19:57,751 Marc Dominianni: To pylon gratitude 725 01:19:57,751 --> 01:20:00,475 for him coming back home it's been an exercise in dialog 726 01:20:00,475 --> 01:20:01,453 for a few months. 727 01:20:01,453 --> 01:20:02,911 You've been patient and responsive. 728 01:20:02,911 --> 01:20:05,308 For that, I want to say thank you 729 01:20:05,308 --> 01:20:09,251 and I wish all of our applicants can be so responsive as you. 730 01:20:09,251 --> 01:20:14,143 I appreciate it and it shows you submitted specific topics 731 01:20:14,143 --> 01:20:14,991 in responses. 732 01:20:14,991 --> 01:20:17,478 It is excellent how you summarize that. 733 01:20:17,478 --> 01:20:21,483 The material changes and everything works very well 734 01:20:21,483 --> 01:20:23,669 in the horizontality incorporating 735 01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:26,715 these similar principles I think works. 736 01:20:26,715 --> 01:20:30,320 For me personally, I recommend and I 737 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,816 think another commissioner mentioned this. 738 01:20:32,816 --> 01:20:35,863 Dialing permeable surfaces and where you are what 739 01:20:35,863 --> 01:20:37,243 you'll be doing. 740 01:20:37,243 --> 01:20:40,434 I know there's a bit of a hill to manage. 741 01:20:40,434 --> 01:20:45,739 Other than that, I think I would love to see this as a hop. 742 01:20:45,739 --> 01:20:51,139 Thanks again and we are looking forward to it. 743 01:20:52,203 --> 01:20:54,603 Jeffrey Hains: Other commissioners? 744 01:20:59,363 --> 01:21:01,363 Commissioner Kaplan? 745 01:21:03,723 --> 01:21:07,371 Jonathan Kaplan : I don't have a lot of details. 746 01:21:07,371 --> 01:21:11,115 But I think it's been a long road and I think it looks great. 747 01:21:11,115 --> 01:21:13,115 That's my comment. 748 01:21:13,873 --> 01:21:15,873 Thank you. 749 01:21:19,410 --> 01:21:24,441 Commissioner Saundra Prather, what do you care to say? 750 01:21:25,998 --> 01:21:27,456 Saundra Prather: The one thing with 751 01:21:27,456 --> 01:21:30,243 this significant improvement of alterations and the process, 752 01:21:30,243 --> 01:21:32,483 what it did for me is it had me dig deeply 753 01:21:32,483 --> 01:21:36,533 into some of the porch design and consideration. 754 01:21:36,533 --> 01:21:38,426 So thank you. 755 01:21:38,426 --> 01:21:44,608 As a lifelong learner, I try to again, assess the massing 756 01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:47,407 and the roofing and the porch. 757 01:21:47,407 --> 01:21:50,830 I was digging into the latest porch 758 01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:53,830 considerations and recommendations and things 759 01:21:54,483 --> 01:21:55,656 like that. 760 01:21:55,656 --> 01:21:58,963 I agree with all the other commissioners 761 01:21:58,963 --> 01:22:03,555 and I thank you for giving me a little bit of a stretch on some 762 01:22:03,555 --> 01:22:05,763 of the material changes. 763 01:22:05,763 --> 01:22:08,533 And the window material and some of that. 764 01:22:08,533 --> 01:22:10,533 So, thank you. 765 01:22:11,723 --> 01:22:15,583 Jeffrey Hains: I will wrap it up here mechanisms Commissioner 766 01:22:15,583 --> 01:22:16,123 Haynes. 767 01:22:16,123 --> 01:22:18,603 I concur with my fellow commissioners. 768 01:22:18,603 --> 01:22:20,430 You have been very patient. 769 01:22:20,430 --> 01:22:21,863 You have responded to our comments. 770 01:22:21,863 --> 01:22:25,962 The project has come a long way. 771 01:22:25,962 --> 01:22:28,599 And it's for the better. 772 01:22:28,599 --> 01:22:33,283 I agree that the massing and the increase 773 01:22:33,283 --> 01:22:37,507 in the overhanging eaves gives it a proper proportion 774 01:22:37,507 --> 01:22:40,163 that we were looking for. 775 01:22:40,163 --> 01:22:43,163 Particularly, I enjoy the rendering 776 01:22:43,563 --> 01:22:47,763 that you provided from come I guess 777 01:22:49,523 --> 01:22:52,271 that would be this porch side. 778 01:22:52,271 --> 01:22:55,294 It has a really nice feel to it. 779 01:22:55,294 --> 01:22:59,494 And I believe it will fit comfortably 780 01:23:00,363 --> 01:23:06,363 alongside the home as well as the other adjacent mid-century 781 01:23:07,243 --> 01:23:08,475 modern home. 782 01:23:08,475 --> 01:23:11,696 You are hearing positive support for the project 783 01:23:11,696 --> 01:23:17,896 and I believe you are now headed in the direction of a Hop 784 01:23:17,896 --> 01:23:23,896 application and we look forward to seeing that come forward. 785 01:23:23,943 --> 01:23:24,443 >> Yes. 786 01:23:24,443 --> 01:23:26,830 Thank you very much. 787 01:23:26,830 --> 01:23:29,830 Jeffrey Hains: You're very welcome. 788 01:23:29,963 --> 01:23:31,608 >> If I can jump in. 789 01:23:31,608 --> 01:23:33,627 Before you leave, do you have any questions? 790 01:23:33,627 --> 01:23:35,863 It sounds like this is the last time 791 01:23:35,863 --> 01:23:40,123 you will have to speak with them before it's submitted. 792 01:23:40,123 --> 01:23:42,136 >> Everything is noted about the windows. 793 01:23:42,136 --> 01:23:45,430 If I decide to use them. 794 01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:49,300 The stormwater management and the appropriate services 795 01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:51,711 have always been top of mind. 796 01:23:51,711 --> 01:23:57,291 The big driver in the front was also a fire Marshal thing 797 01:23:57,291 --> 01:23:59,403 or the EMT turnaround. 798 01:23:59,403 --> 01:24:01,269 I'm working with them and the civil engineer 799 01:24:01,269 --> 01:24:05,900 to see if we can do pavers or something else so that way 800 01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,584 we won't have to do asphalt. That'll all be calculated 801 01:24:08,584 --> 01:24:13,384 and that will be with the final application. 802 01:24:15,978 --> 01:24:16,561 Jeffrey Hains: 803 01:24:16,561 --> 01:24:17,302 >> Very good. 804 01:24:17,302 --> 01:24:19,702 Have a good evening. 805 01:24:19,923 --> 01:24:21,300 >> You to. 806 01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:25,143 Jeffrey Hains: We will be moving on to our third preliminary. 807 01:24:25,143 --> 01:24:29,943 This is to see at 5629 Lambeth road Bethesda. 808 01:24:32,811 --> 01:24:36,411 Do we have a staff report? 809 01:24:39,796 --> 01:24:41,963 >> This is preliminary consultation for 5629 Lambeth 810 01:24:41,963 --> 01:24:43,595 Road in Bethesda. 811 01:24:43,595 --> 01:24:47,195 This revival house from 1941 and it's 812 01:24:47,983 --> 01:24:50,616 a contributing resource to the historic district 813 01:24:50,616 --> 01:24:55,149 and it needs to be reviewed under the district design 814 01:24:55,149 --> 01:24:56,123 guidelines. 815 01:24:56,123 --> 01:24:57,179 Chapter 24 a. 816 01:24:57,179 --> 01:25:01,979 And the Secretary of Interior Standards for rehabilitation. 817 01:25:04,163 --> 01:25:08,916 To demolish a large portion of the rear and the existing house 818 01:25:08,916 --> 01:25:12,843 to construct a two story rear addition and new side 819 01:25:12,843 --> 01:25:15,243 entrance to the property. 820 01:25:16,803 --> 01:25:20,429 Renovation of the house on Lambeth Road 821 01:25:20,429 --> 01:25:22,826 and head of the historic District and you 822 01:25:22,826 --> 01:25:24,451 see it in the center of this photograph 823 01:25:24,451 --> 01:25:28,131 and you can see from the right side, 824 01:25:28,131 --> 01:25:31,230 there's an addition that will be visible from the public right 825 01:25:31,230 --> 01:25:31,954 of way. 826 01:25:31,954 --> 01:25:34,954 This is the left side. 827 01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:36,688 The addition on this side will only 828 01:25:36,688 --> 01:25:39,843 be one story so it'll be less visible from the public right 829 01:25:39,843 --> 01:25:40,723 of way. 830 01:25:40,723 --> 01:25:45,523 The first floor window partially obscured by -- 831 01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:49,827 and it is proposed to be turned into a new entrance with 832 01:25:49,827 --> 01:25:51,827 the roof covering. 833 01:25:52,590 --> 01:25:54,429 This is the rear elevation currently 834 01:25:54,429 --> 01:25:58,229 and as you can see from a hierarchy of design 835 01:25:58,229 --> 01:26:02,429 it is the much less embellished elevation. 836 01:26:03,639 --> 01:26:09,409 You have the first and second floor post floor plans. 837 01:26:09,409 --> 01:26:14,809 And we will go through the elevations real quickly. 838 01:26:17,283 --> 01:26:21,498 I have a detail of the junction between the historic house 839 01:26:21,498 --> 01:26:24,563 and the proposed addition and the inset there. 840 01:26:24,563 --> 01:26:29,309 But as you can see the addition sits below the bridge 841 01:26:29,309 --> 01:26:31,709 of the historic house. 842 01:26:34,883 --> 01:26:38,483 Despite being a relatively large footprint. 843 01:26:38,883 --> 01:26:42,223 The one proportion here on the right 844 01:26:42,223 --> 01:26:47,623 will be largely obscured by the existing bright projection 845 01:26:48,816 --> 01:26:51,770 of the historic house. 846 01:26:51,770 --> 01:26:54,739 And then you see the new entrance on the left side 847 01:26:54,739 --> 01:26:57,849 with a new roof structure designed to match 848 01:26:57,849 --> 01:27:00,203 the details of the front porch. 849 01:27:00,203 --> 01:27:04,463 The primary reason we are holding preliminary consultation 850 01:27:04,463 --> 01:27:08,630 for the project is the inset. 851 01:27:09,483 --> 01:27:12,863 The design guidelines stress the need 852 01:27:12,863 --> 01:27:17,663 to retain the outline of the historic building 853 01:27:21,300 --> 01:27:23,633 as part of accommodating additions. 854 01:27:23,633 --> 01:27:28,409 The question for the HPC tonight is whether or not 855 01:27:28,409 --> 01:27:35,900 this one foot four inch inset and one foot four by 241 856 01:27:36,123 --> 01:27:38,943 is sufficient under those details 857 01:27:38,943 --> 01:27:43,743 or whether additional embellishment needs to come up 858 01:27:46,203 --> 01:27:49,615 with a larger inset in any dimension 859 01:27:49,615 --> 01:27:52,656 to satisfy the requirements of the design guidelines. 860 01:27:52,656 --> 01:27:55,531 Staff's findings are relatively straightforward 861 01:27:55,531 --> 01:27:58,730 and we find demolishing a large portion of the rear elevation 862 01:27:58,730 --> 01:28:01,673 is necessary to accommodate any additions. 863 01:28:01,723 --> 01:28:04,809 Those changes won't be visible from the right of way. 864 01:28:04,809 --> 01:28:07,161 The addition will be partially visible 865 01:28:07,161 --> 01:28:12,332 but that is not one of the criteria from the forest design 866 01:28:12,332 --> 01:28:12,832 guidelines. 867 01:28:12,832 --> 01:28:14,936 The size of the proposed addition 868 01:28:14,936 --> 01:28:17,830 is compatible with the character of the house 869 01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:20,123 and appears to satisfy the requirements of the forest 870 01:28:20,123 --> 01:28:23,663 design guidelines for both size and materials. 871 01:28:23,663 --> 01:28:25,673 And we find that the addition draws 872 01:28:25,673 --> 01:28:27,563 from a traditional architecture vocabulary 873 01:28:27,563 --> 01:28:31,123 and it is compatible with the character of the house. 874 01:28:31,123 --> 01:28:34,163 We find the addition remain subservient to the historic 875 01:28:34,163 --> 01:28:38,830 house and will not overwhelm it and that the house in addition 876 01:28:38,830 --> 01:28:41,190 satisfies the lot coverage limit in the design guideline 877 01:28:41,190 --> 01:28:44,971 which is less than what the zoning maximum allows. 878 01:28:44,971 --> 01:28:47,248 Staff finds more needs to be done 879 01:28:47,248 --> 01:28:48,623 to increase the visual separation 880 01:28:48,623 --> 01:28:50,755 between the historic house and the new construction 881 01:28:50,755 --> 01:28:54,963 and to retain the outline of the original house. 882 01:28:54,963 --> 01:28:58,403 Moving on to the side entrance com staff 883 01:28:58,403 --> 01:29:01,403 finds enlarging the existing side 884 01:29:03,503 --> 01:29:06,190 windows is compatible with the house 885 01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:07,267 and the requisite guidance. 886 01:29:07,267 --> 01:29:10,483 It is appropriate under the design guidelines. 887 01:29:10,483 --> 01:29:12,883 Additional recommendation is slates 888 01:29:12,963 --> 01:29:15,425 be salvaged from the rear roof slope 889 01:29:15,425 --> 01:29:17,333 and that way some of the material 890 01:29:17,333 --> 01:29:21,703 will perfectly blend in with the historic front porch roof. 891 01:29:21,703 --> 01:29:25,403 The staff's request this evening is for feedback 892 01:29:25,403 --> 01:29:28,114 from the HPC regarding the appropriateness 893 01:29:28,114 --> 01:29:29,656 and the sufficiency of the separation 894 01:29:29,656 --> 01:29:32,443 between the historic house and proposed 895 01:29:32,443 --> 01:29:36,300 additions under guideline D4 and standard ten. 896 01:29:36,300 --> 01:29:39,576 If the HPC finds the proposal is not sufficient, 897 01:29:39,576 --> 01:29:42,576 with specific revisions are recommended? 898 01:29:43,443 --> 01:29:47,750 Whether it is dimensional or material or otherwise. 899 01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:50,447 I would like to get feedback to the HPC 900 01:29:50,447 --> 01:29:54,303 on the appropriateness of the additions and masking and design 901 01:29:54,303 --> 01:29:57,903 and the appropriateness ofthe left entrance. 902 01:29:59,403 --> 01:30:04,583 And just staff notes the final hub must include 903 01:30:04,583 --> 01:30:07,583 material specifications including the foundation 904 01:30:07,923 --> 01:30:10,803 and window well and trims indoors. 905 01:30:10,803 --> 01:30:13,643 And information regarding any new hardscaping 906 01:30:13,643 --> 01:30:15,690 proposed for the subject property 907 01:30:15,690 --> 01:30:17,763 and a tree survey of the site. 908 01:30:17,763 --> 01:30:22,343 Staff notes it is particularly important in this district 909 01:30:22,343 --> 01:30:25,693 as the Greenwich Forest design guideline for the removal 910 01:30:25,693 --> 01:30:29,547 is very prescriptive when it comes to calming replanting. 911 01:30:29,547 --> 01:30:32,183 We want to make sure that is satisfied 912 01:30:32,183 --> 01:30:35,373 and I will answer any questions the commissioners have 913 01:30:35,373 --> 01:30:37,373 at this point. 914 01:30:44,940 --> 01:30:46,523 Jeffrey Hains: Questions for staff? 915 01:30:46,523 --> 01:30:52,523 J. Michael Galway: For the record, the addition I believe 916 01:31:07,303 --> 01:31:09,803 >> It doesn't indicate whether or not the foundation will be 917 01:31:09,803 --> 01:31:10,613 painted. 918 01:31:10,613 --> 01:31:14,489 Not the whole addition will be sited in the brick. 919 01:31:14,489 --> 01:31:17,489 And that is a question that can come I think, 920 01:31:17,489 --> 01:31:23,489 the applicants can answer for J. Michael Galway: Fair enough. 921 01:31:24,990 --> 01:31:26,990 Thank you. 922 01:31:36,302 --> 01:31:39,603 Jeffrey Hains: We will ask the applicant architect. 923 01:31:39,603 --> 01:31:44,560 I don't know if they are with us tonight. 924 01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,256 But they too can come on line. 925 01:31:55,240 --> 01:32:00,640 >> I don't think they're going to be here though. 926 01:32:10,763 --> 01:32:14,466 I am a resident that lives about four houses away 927 01:32:14,466 --> 01:32:15,691 from this house. 928 01:32:15,691 --> 01:32:17,643 He is an architect. 929 01:32:17,643 --> 01:32:20,795 Participated in the writing of our regulations 930 01:32:20,795 --> 01:32:22,251 for Greenwich Forest. 931 01:32:22,251 --> 01:32:25,212 I know them very well and I try to be 932 01:32:25,212 --> 01:32:28,353 very sympathetic to the original house. 933 01:32:28,353 --> 01:32:31,269 We minimized the addition in the back 934 01:32:31,269 --> 01:32:34,171 by only having a portion of it being two stories. 935 01:32:34,171 --> 01:32:37,732 We left one area to be one story because I 936 01:32:37,732 --> 01:32:41,870 was concerned about seeing the additional 937 01:32:41,870 --> 01:32:44,690 from that side of the house. 938 01:32:44,690 --> 01:32:47,200 We Try to use materials which would 939 01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,171 be sympathetic to the original house. 940 01:32:49,171 --> 01:32:52,643 The answer to that question related to the brick 941 01:32:52,643 --> 01:32:55,563 is the brick will be painted in the original house brick 942 01:32:55,563 --> 01:32:56,389 was painted. 943 01:32:56,389 --> 01:33:01,789 We are going to continue in that trend we 944 01:33:04,616 --> 01:33:08,449 will try to be sympathetic to all the materials that 945 01:33:08,449 --> 01:33:11,416 were on the original house. 946 01:33:11,416 --> 01:33:17,683 We will submit all those samples in Hardscaping and a tree 947 01:33:17,683 --> 01:33:18,803 survey. 948 01:33:18,803 --> 01:33:21,483 We are not going to affect any trees. 949 01:33:21,483 --> 01:33:25,124 The area in the backyard of the house where 950 01:33:25,124 --> 01:33:31,724 we are building the addition is poured concrete on the ground. 951 01:33:32,563 --> 01:33:34,963 Are there any questions? 952 01:33:43,572 --> 01:33:47,172 Jeffrey Hains: Questions for the applicant? 953 01:33:57,903 --> 01:34:00,467 Jeffrey Hains: With the window that's 954 01:34:00,467 --> 01:34:04,323 the door on the side is it maintaining the same width 955 01:34:04,323 --> 01:34:06,723 as the existing window? 956 01:34:10,662 --> 01:34:14,862 >> We're not going to change the header. 957 01:34:19,513 --> 01:34:21,471 >> If anything, we may have to raise it a brick 958 01:34:21,471 --> 01:34:30,471 or so but it'll be in the same area and it is the same with. 959 01:34:30,610 --> 01:34:33,270 >> You're not creating a bigger width or opening to create 960 01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:33,799 the door? 961 01:34:33,799 --> 01:34:34,299 Okay. 962 01:34:34,299 --> 01:34:36,299 Thanks. 963 01:34:59,949 --> 01:35:01,536 >> Were painting the base in the back. 964 01:35:01,536 --> 01:35:08,620 What do you envision for the lab siting on the back in terms 965 01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:11,569 of the finish or the color? 966 01:35:11,569 --> 01:35:15,376 Do you think you'll be matching the color of the painted 967 01:35:15,376 --> 01:35:17,843 brick on the front of the original home 968 01:35:17,843 --> 01:35:20,323 or will you use a different color? 969 01:35:20,323 --> 01:35:23,323 What are your thoughts there? 970 01:35:24,852 --> 01:35:27,435 >> The client wants to paint the new siding to match the front 971 01:35:27,435 --> 01:35:29,443 elevation of the house. 972 01:35:29,443 --> 01:35:32,363 It is like a dark bluish gray. 973 01:35:32,363 --> 01:35:34,747 And it'll be exactly the same color. 974 01:35:34,747 --> 01:35:40,147 It's the smooth plank that we will be using. 975 01:35:44,618 --> 01:35:46,618 >> Alright thank you. 976 01:35:59,159 --> 01:36:01,534 >> I understand you were involved in Greenwich for a long 977 01:36:01,534 --> 01:36:02,340 time. 978 01:36:02,340 --> 01:36:05,819 How do you view the depth of these insects. 979 01:36:05,819 --> 01:36:07,593 I'm looking at the floor plan and seeing 980 01:36:07,593 --> 01:36:11,193 there's room to accommodate deeper insects. 981 01:36:24,497 --> 01:36:25,580 >> I am actually 42 years. 982 01:36:25,580 --> 01:36:27,980 I am well involved. 983 01:36:29,856 --> 01:36:33,456 The inset, because it is dissimilar, 984 01:36:33,922 --> 01:36:37,723 I was trying to put it enough because of the shadow lines. 985 01:36:37,723 --> 01:36:40,229 We went back a little bit more 12in and two feet 986 01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:42,571 in the dimension going to the back of the house. 987 01:36:42,571 --> 01:36:47,569 There will be enough of a shadow line and also a trim detail that 988 01:36:47,569 --> 01:36:50,339 would separate the two materials. 989 01:36:50,339 --> 01:36:53,543 We tried to accommodate that into the floor plan 990 01:36:53,543 --> 01:36:58,263 and we will change the kitchen to have shallower cabinets 991 01:36:58,263 --> 01:37:00,263 in that area. 992 01:37:07,483 --> 01:37:13,483 We think we created a good shadow line back there 993 01:37:18,643 --> 01:37:22,243 It showed one foot four inches. 994 01:37:22,915 --> 01:37:25,243 Are you open to deeper? 995 01:37:25,243 --> 01:37:28,243 Perhaps even greater in width? 996 01:37:29,856 --> 01:37:33,736 We saw some other additions to historic properties 997 01:37:33,736 --> 01:37:36,136 in our neighborhoods to. 998 01:37:37,443 --> 01:37:41,443 >> We were trying to maintain some good usage of space inside 999 01:37:41,443 --> 01:37:42,963 the room. 1000 01:37:42,963 --> 01:37:46,203 That didn't hurt anything inside the space. 1001 01:37:46,203 --> 01:37:49,153 It was really a compromise between the exterior 1002 01:37:49,153 --> 01:37:51,153 and the interior. 1003 01:37:56,394 --> 01:37:59,394 >> Thank you for the comment. 1004 01:38:04,335 --> 01:38:06,867 Jeffrey Hains: Questions for the applicant s. 1005 01:38:06,867 --> 01:38:09,267 This is Commissioner Haynes. 1006 01:38:11,963 --> 01:38:17,554 This is one of those challenging projects where the house is 1007 01:38:17,554 --> 01:38:20,922 relatively small and the clients want to bring it up 1008 01:38:20,922 --> 01:38:23,322 to contemporary living standards . 1009 01:38:25,697 --> 01:38:27,848 You have to double the size of the house 1010 01:38:27,848 --> 01:38:31,250 to really do that in this day and age. 1011 01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:36,425 I can appreciate the challenge architects and designers have 1012 01:38:37,163 --> 01:38:42,723 in doing that and trying to do so in a way that complements 1013 01:38:42,723 --> 01:38:44,723 the original resource. 1014 01:38:46,109 --> 01:38:48,509 The guidelines particularly differ 1015 01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:54,229 regarding additions states the style of addition 1016 01:38:54,513 --> 01:38:58,307 must be compatible and in keeping with the prevailing 1017 01:38:58,307 --> 01:39:02,723 style of that house and the style of the addition 1018 01:39:02,723 --> 01:39:07,430 must be compatible with the style of the original house 1019 01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:12,443 unless they wish to change the entire original house. 1020 01:39:14,923 --> 01:39:19,420 I would like your thoughts on how you would see your additions 1021 01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:21,253 and how do you see it as compatible 1022 01:39:21,253 --> 01:39:23,653 with the historic resource? 1023 01:39:27,542 --> 01:39:28,250 >> Good question. 1024 01:39:28,250 --> 01:39:29,851 At the front elevation of the house 1025 01:39:29,851 --> 01:39:34,827 there was a very dominant cable and kind of detail. 1026 01:39:34,827 --> 01:39:39,750 Rather than build and I do see this on other projects 1027 01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:41,171 come one large addition. 1028 01:39:41,171 --> 01:39:45,820 I separated it into three different parts. 1029 01:39:45,820 --> 01:39:48,371 One was where the master bedroom would be. 1030 01:39:48,371 --> 01:39:50,371 It's another cable. 1031 01:39:51,155 --> 01:39:54,354 I tried to be diminutive with it so it did not overwhelm 1032 01:39:54,354 --> 01:39:56,183 the backyard visually. 1033 01:39:56,183 --> 01:40:01,451 Then in between that, you had another sloping roof 1034 01:40:01,451 --> 01:40:04,835 which was in between that and a lower gable. 1035 01:40:04,835 --> 01:40:08,875 I separated that into three separate volumes 1036 01:40:08,875 --> 01:40:12,323 to try to create one large addition at the back end 1037 01:40:12,323 --> 01:40:14,403 of a house which would have saved money 1038 01:40:14,403 --> 01:40:18,393 but I was trying to be more sympathetic to the way the house 1039 01:40:18,393 --> 01:40:20,393 was already structured. 1040 01:40:32,975 --> 01:40:35,223 Jeffrey Hains: Questions for the applicant? 1041 01:40:35,223 --> 01:40:41,223 We will share our thoughts and response to your application. 1042 01:40:46,300 --> 01:40:49,300 Does anyone care to share? 1043 01:40:57,523 --> 01:41:01,123 I will kick off the discussion. 1044 01:41:02,603 --> 01:41:05,603 I mentioned the word compatibility. 1045 01:41:11,923 --> 01:41:16,408 We define it as the parts working well together. 1046 01:41:16,408 --> 01:41:21,208 They don't necessarily need to mimic one another. 1047 01:41:21,323 --> 01:41:25,523 They should identify well with each other. 1048 01:41:26,363 --> 01:41:30,563 When they are combined together, they somehow 1049 01:41:38,403 --> 01:41:43,203 moved from function as well as architectural integrity. 1050 01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:51,830 I think from that perspective, I don't feel the addition 1051 01:41:52,756 --> 01:41:56,376 and understand the challenge of creating a large addition 1052 01:41:56,376 --> 01:41:59,323 on a relatively small house but I 1053 01:41:59,323 --> 01:42:02,713 don't think they are quite relating well together. 1054 01:42:02,713 --> 01:42:05,745 Part of it is in the massing. 1055 01:42:05,745 --> 01:42:09,723 Part of it is in the detail. 1056 01:42:09,723 --> 01:42:15,123 Part of it is the forms chosen in particular. 1057 01:42:18,163 --> 01:42:22,211 If we look at the rear elevation, 1058 01:42:22,211 --> 01:42:27,611 the widths of the three parts and the house. 1059 01:42:32,403 --> 01:42:34,649 They don't relate well to the house. 1060 01:42:34,649 --> 01:42:38,849 I know they re not really wings. 1061 01:42:39,427 --> 01:42:43,459 But the kitchen and the family room. 1062 01:42:43,459 --> 01:42:50,590 The widths of the masses, they are too small width wise. 1063 01:42:54,163 --> 01:43:00,163 There is not a complementary mass to the original house. 1064 01:43:00,363 --> 01:43:07,154 The form in the middle which I understand it to be a shed roof. 1065 01:43:07,154 --> 01:43:09,154 A single slope. 1066 01:43:09,887 --> 01:43:14,870 When you look at the left elevation , 1067 01:43:17,576 --> 01:43:20,571 that has no relationship to the original house. 1068 01:43:20,571 --> 01:43:25,971 It's kind of a strange form for the house. 1069 01:43:26,603 --> 01:43:30,203 In it diminishes the complementary nature 1070 01:43:30,463 --> 01:43:32,643 that we are looking for. 1071 01:43:32,643 --> 01:43:36,263 The compatible nature we are looking for. 1072 01:43:36,263 --> 01:43:42,263 The original house has no eaves and there's no overhangs. 1073 01:43:42,423 --> 01:43:46,623 You are proposing overhangs at the gable. 1074 01:43:50,723 --> 01:43:55,182 It is not, in my view, complementary or compatible 1075 01:43:55,182 --> 01:43:57,582 to the historic resource. 1076 01:44:06,163 --> 01:44:12,863 The boxed eaves that we see, we see it on every stylistic house. 1077 01:44:12,863 --> 01:44:15,863 Certainly from the 1920s into 2026. 1078 01:44:19,547 --> 01:44:22,547 There is nothing distinctive that 1079 01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:29,883 speaks to the original architecture of the resource. 1080 01:44:31,723 --> 01:44:36,523 The siding on the historic Resources minor corridors. 1081 01:44:37,403 --> 01:44:39,803 You're proposing trim boards. 1082 01:44:41,843 --> 01:44:44,243 The architecture you're proposing 1083 01:44:45,663 --> 01:44:48,630 is a different language. 1084 01:44:50,843 --> 01:44:55,563 The severity, if you will come of the language 1085 01:44:55,563 --> 01:45:01,419 I feel does not work or doesn't speak to or complement or hold 1086 01:45:01,419 --> 01:45:04,776 hands with the original historic resource 1087 01:45:04,776 --> 01:45:07,568 and it is in addition that could be 1088 01:45:07,568 --> 01:45:11,363 put on the back of many different types 1089 01:45:11,363 --> 01:45:13,363 of residential buildings. 1090 01:45:13,503 --> 01:45:20,103 It does not speak to this particular house in my opinion. 1091 01:45:20,723 --> 01:45:27,923 There is some work to be done to make it work harmoniously 1092 01:45:30,883 --> 01:45:33,283 with the historic resource. 1093 01:45:34,510 --> 01:45:36,933 I find the materials in general are fine 1094 01:45:36,933 --> 01:45:39,771 and I think it is the way you execute 1095 01:45:39,771 --> 01:45:42,385 the materials and particularly the details that 1096 01:45:42,385 --> 01:45:46,783 are going to make this a successful addition. 1097 01:45:46,783 --> 01:45:50,323 When the people don't look at it and say 1098 01:45:50,323 --> 01:45:55,123 there's the original house and there's the addition. 1099 01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:59,816 We sometimes are confusing because we 1100 01:45:59,816 --> 01:46:04,336 want it to be differentiated from the historic resource. 1101 01:46:04,336 --> 01:46:09,723 The guidelines strictly say the addition must be compatible. 1102 01:46:09,723 --> 01:46:13,323 Once definition of compatibility can vary. 1103 01:46:15,763 --> 01:46:20,343 I feel like it's off enlarged and if there's 1104 01:46:20,343 --> 01:46:24,408 any way to reduce the footprint wise you can reduce it. 1105 01:46:24,408 --> 01:46:28,755 I think you do need a bigger move on the back. 1106 01:46:28,755 --> 01:46:35,355 The two smaller masses , you're trying to make a nice scale 1107 01:46:36,969 --> 01:46:39,699 in the rear but it doesn't work with the house itself. 1108 01:46:39,699 --> 01:46:44,323 It looks like a foreign addition put on the historic. 1109 01:46:44,323 --> 01:46:46,723 Or the contemporary additions . 1110 01:46:51,156 --> 01:46:53,556 Both pieces are nice. 1111 01:46:54,900 --> 01:47:00,900 When they come together, I don't think they work well. 1112 01:47:01,163 --> 01:47:03,563 Those are my thoughts. 1113 01:47:25,233 --> 01:47:27,521 >> I keep muting myself instead of unmuting myself. 1114 01:47:27,521 --> 01:47:29,229 That's going to be a tough one to follow. 1115 01:47:29,229 --> 01:47:31,995 I look at it a little bit different 1116 01:47:31,995 --> 01:47:36,795 and not get diving into the architectural detailing. 1117 01:47:46,843 --> 01:47:49,203 I think a lot of what we are talking about 1118 01:47:49,203 --> 01:47:52,203 would be in the rear. 1119 01:47:53,323 --> 01:47:56,676 I would argue one way or the other 1120 01:47:56,676 --> 01:48:00,276 what it means to be compatible. 1121 01:48:01,243 --> 01:48:04,723 I am looking at it and I am saying 1122 01:48:04,723 --> 01:48:09,135 that you have the house on the front with its white brick 1123 01:48:09,135 --> 01:48:13,600 basically and the sides with the front table being this gray. 1124 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:20,579 Then as you go back and even with the hyphens or the notches, 1125 01:48:20,579 --> 01:48:24,893 you're going to see effectively a continuation of the color. 1126 01:48:24,893 --> 01:48:27,671 I'm looking at it more in terms of what 1127 01:48:27,671 --> 01:48:34,271 I would see color wise with less emphasis on the materials. 1128 01:48:36,883 --> 01:48:40,123 It might be tough for the average Joe who 1129 01:48:40,123 --> 01:48:43,300 is driving by even with the notch 1130 01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:45,843 creating that shadow you talked about. 1131 01:48:45,843 --> 01:48:49,307 It might be tough to differentiate 1132 01:48:49,307 --> 01:48:52,307 the old from the new. 1133 01:48:52,751 --> 01:48:56,579 The original home from the new edition. 1134 01:48:56,579 --> 01:48:58,983 Not because of the detailing. 1135 01:48:58,983 --> 01:49:04,383 I think the detailing will be hard to see. 1136 01:49:05,363 --> 01:49:09,359 Have you done enough in terms of trying to differentiate 1137 01:49:09,359 --> 01:49:13,371 in this case, the color and not the material 1138 01:49:13,371 --> 01:49:20,571 where it switches at the notch from the old to the new. 1139 01:49:20,803 --> 01:49:23,803 I am perplexed by that. 1140 01:49:24,755 --> 01:49:28,355 Is there something we can do? 1141 01:49:28,363 --> 01:49:32,563 He feels it could be more compatible 1142 01:49:32,651 --> 01:49:35,403 and I'm looking at it more from a color standpoint 1143 01:49:35,403 --> 01:49:38,763 saying I'm not sure it's going to be easy to differentiate 1144 01:49:38,763 --> 01:49:43,195 from the street what is old and what is new unless you walk back 1145 01:49:43,195 --> 01:49:48,563 the property and you go toward the back and you look closely. 1146 01:49:48,563 --> 01:49:51,796 I understand that it doesn't make your life easier 1147 01:49:51,796 --> 01:49:57,203 but you can hopefully appreciate where we are both coming from. 1148 01:49:57,203 --> 01:50:01,403 In terms of the masking itself, not 1149 01:50:01,683 --> 01:50:03,491 necessarily the compatibility. 1150 01:50:03,491 --> 01:50:06,473 I think I find that appropriate. 1151 01:50:06,473 --> 01:50:09,843 You've done a nice job of hiding the addition 1152 01:50:09,843 --> 01:50:15,843 at least all the complexity going on in the back. 1153 01:50:16,123 --> 01:50:22,403 You're not going to see it from the public right of way. 1154 01:50:22,403 --> 01:50:24,853 I think you've done a nice job on that. 1155 01:50:24,853 --> 01:50:27,268 We've seen it many times where the eave wants 1156 01:50:27,268 --> 01:50:30,643 to try to match the existing and we always push back on it 1157 01:50:30,643 --> 01:50:31,603 and we say no. 1158 01:50:31,603 --> 01:50:33,871 You should always have a roof line that is lower 1159 01:50:33,871 --> 01:50:35,923 and you've done that successfully. 1160 01:50:35,923 --> 01:50:39,875 It is obvious you understand the guidelines 1161 01:50:39,875 --> 01:50:45,275 and you are working to do the right thing. 1162 01:50:46,883 --> 01:50:49,883 I guess that's my comments. 1163 01:50:51,163 --> 01:50:53,163 Thanks. 1164 01:51:06,916 --> 01:51:08,708 >> I agree with the commissioner's comments 1165 01:51:08,708 --> 01:51:10,943 on the nature of the addition. 1166 01:51:10,943 --> 01:51:16,363 I am not so concerned with the pink color being the same 1167 01:51:16,363 --> 01:51:20,490 because I feel like just because it is a different material, 1168 01:51:20,490 --> 01:51:23,656 it's going to look pretty different from the street. 1169 01:51:23,656 --> 01:51:25,323 That'll differentiate it and I don't 1170 01:51:25,323 --> 01:51:28,455 know if you're planning on having the same dimensions 1171 01:51:28,455 --> 01:51:29,615 for the siding. 1172 01:51:29,615 --> 01:51:35,150 If they were different, that would also differentiate it. 1173 01:51:35,443 --> 01:51:40,576 I like how it is differentiated from the original house. 1174 01:51:40,576 --> 01:51:43,313 Most of it is brick. 1175 01:51:43,313 --> 01:51:47,196 There's a call to that little bit of siding 1176 01:51:47,196 --> 01:51:52,403 on the gable in front and I feel like it works nicely for me. 1177 01:51:52,403 --> 01:51:55,403 Commissioner Haynes comments about compatibility 1178 01:51:56,983 --> 01:52:01,843 is not something I noticed but I'm not an architect. 1179 01:52:01,843 --> 01:52:06,816 I think he's working on a different level than I am there. 1180 01:52:06,816 --> 01:52:09,391 I'm less concerned with what's in the back 1181 01:52:09,391 --> 01:52:14,191 and what you can see in the streets. 1182 01:52:15,403 --> 01:52:18,874 That's stuck out once I brought my attention. 1183 01:52:18,874 --> 01:52:22,474 I'm a little bit less concerned. 1184 01:52:26,923 --> 01:52:31,723 It's a significant change in the visible location. 1185 01:52:32,748 --> 01:52:37,787 In nicely, I don't see a lot of side doors 1186 01:52:37,787 --> 01:52:40,787 on similar houses of significance. 1187 01:52:40,931 --> 01:52:45,307 I'd want to minimize the impact of the door. 1188 01:52:45,307 --> 01:52:49,368 I like you're not widening the opening 1189 01:52:49,368 --> 01:52:52,231 and that's you're playing use. 1190 01:52:52,231 --> 01:52:54,631 I like the fenestration. 1191 01:52:57,903 --> 01:53:01,483 Looking from the street, it's hard to tell whether it's 1192 01:53:01,483 --> 01:53:03,227 a window or a door anyway. 1193 01:53:03,227 --> 01:53:07,643 These things that you are doing will continue. 1194 01:53:07,643 --> 01:53:12,163 Where I have troubles with the decorative feature above it. 1195 01:53:12,163 --> 01:53:15,189 Because it calls attention to the door and the fact 1196 01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:19,973 that it's a door are it's trying to look 1197 01:53:19,973 --> 01:53:24,363 like some of the other original decorative elements 1198 01:53:24,363 --> 01:53:30,363 and it gives a kind of false sense of history. 1199 01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:35,863 For me, that was removed, you have the door 1200 01:53:35,863 --> 01:53:38,209 and you would get in and out and you would still 1201 01:53:38,209 --> 01:53:42,483 maintain the appearance of a window from the street. 1202 01:53:42,483 --> 01:53:44,883 Those are my comments. 1203 01:53:46,771 --> 01:53:53,763 In terms of the- there could be more, that would be great. 1204 01:53:53,763 --> 01:53:57,830 Otherwise, I don't think there's a lot you can do. 1205 01:53:57,830 --> 01:54:00,675 Otherwise these are what the conditions look like. 1206 01:54:00,675 --> 01:54:03,883 It is shorter and it's not extending 1207 01:54:03,883 --> 01:54:06,283 past the original elevations. 1208 01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:11,830 That's my inputs. 1209 01:54:19,295 --> 01:54:21,695 Jeffrey Hains: Commissioner bond? 1210 01:54:23,203 --> 01:54:25,411 Carly Bond: Thank you. 1211 01:54:25,411 --> 01:54:27,723 It's fully aligned with the historic house. 1212 01:54:27,723 --> 01:54:31,927 The gas fireplace in the family room extends past the. 1213 01:54:31,927 --> 01:54:34,643 I don't think there's an official separation 1214 01:54:34,643 --> 01:54:37,693 between the historic house and proposed additions. 1215 01:54:37,693 --> 01:54:41,639 Either the addition needs to come in overall 1216 01:54:41,639 --> 01:54:47,171 or the review needs to get deeper and possibly wider. 1217 01:54:47,171 --> 01:54:50,323 May be wider rather than deeper. 1218 01:54:50,323 --> 01:54:56,923 We need to do something to work on that visual separation. 1219 01:55:17,998 --> 01:55:20,123 >> I wanted to talk about something that I think is 1220 01:55:20,123 --> 01:55:23,851 working which is to hype up the roof line on the two story mass 1221 01:55:23,851 --> 01:55:26,251 of the rear addition. 1222 01:55:30,883 --> 01:55:35,830 I am noting on the rear protrusion 1223 01:55:35,571 --> 01:55:39,180 that there is a roof overhang on the right which 1224 01:55:39,180 --> 01:55:42,295 would protrude outside of the historical Playings 1225 01:55:42,295 --> 01:55:43,955 in the right of the house. 1226 01:55:43,955 --> 01:55:45,663 That could perhaps be a bit of a problem. 1227 01:55:45,663 --> 01:55:48,830 I understand the architect's comments 1228 01:55:48,830 --> 01:55:50,873 about creating a shadow line with a bit 1229 01:55:50,873 --> 01:55:55,316 of an inset between the historic house and the addition. 1230 01:55:55,316 --> 01:56:00,116 It could maybe be a little bit wider. 1231 01:56:02,563 --> 01:56:06,830 A lot of times with a large addition, that 1232 01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:09,206 replicated the footprint of the house and they 1233 01:56:09,206 --> 01:56:12,243 could bring on the large family rooms and master suites 1234 01:56:12,243 --> 01:56:14,243 upstairs. 1235 01:56:17,323 --> 01:56:21,816 The cuter and smaller houses of a smaller scale 1236 01:56:21,816 --> 01:56:24,903 from a different time and we see it a different bit we're 1237 01:56:24,903 --> 01:56:27,139 separating is really important. 1238 01:56:27,139 --> 01:56:31,339 I think you're on the right track. 1239 01:56:32,396 --> 01:56:35,651 The instinct to break up the mass instead of having 1240 01:56:35,651 --> 01:56:37,133 a gigantic protrusion. 1241 01:56:37,133 --> 01:56:42,979 As he's beginning to tease, whether they are the right 1242 01:56:42,979 --> 01:56:43,555 shape. 1243 01:56:43,555 --> 01:56:48,430 I appreciate his instinct to minimize in everything. 1244 01:56:48,430 --> 01:56:51,909 Looking at the house from the street, 1245 01:56:51,909 --> 01:56:55,517 I been through the street and looking out just 1246 01:56:55,517 --> 01:56:57,185 to get on Google. 1247 01:56:57,185 --> 01:57:00,509 The pattern of administration on the left or right side 1248 01:57:00,509 --> 01:57:04,963 isn't doing favors in terms of compatibility with the House. 1249 01:57:04,963 --> 01:57:07,395 They read as different windows where the pattern is 1250 01:57:07,395 --> 01:57:09,219 different shapes were the windows 1251 01:57:09,219 --> 01:57:12,451 tend to be not as narrow or as square 1252 01:57:12,451 --> 01:57:16,316 as the historic windows not something to work on. 1253 01:57:16,316 --> 01:57:18,715 The devil ends up being in the details. 1254 01:57:18,715 --> 01:57:22,315 Despite the size of the addition, 1255 01:57:22,571 --> 01:57:25,803 the roofline is lower and relatively absorbent. 1256 01:57:25,803 --> 01:57:29,403 The other architects on the commission 1257 01:57:29,403 --> 01:57:33,380 are providing more valuable feedback than I am. 1258 01:57:33,380 --> 01:57:36,563 I want to express gratitude for coming in and going 1259 01:57:36,563 --> 01:57:37,438 through this process. 1260 01:57:37,438 --> 01:57:40,263 I know this can take a little bit of energy 1261 01:57:40,263 --> 01:57:42,987 to draw this and do it one way and do it again. 1262 01:57:42,987 --> 01:57:44,789 My gratitude for you. 1263 01:57:44,789 --> 01:57:46,491 This is a beautiful house and this 1264 01:57:46,491 --> 01:57:47,776 is a beautiful neighborhood. 1265 01:57:47,776 --> 01:57:50,443 Hopefully with this feedback it will turn out 1266 01:57:50,443 --> 01:57:53,443 and do an excellent job. 1267 01:57:53,443 --> 01:57:55,443 Thank you. 1268 01:58:01,125 --> 01:58:03,583 Jeffrey Hains: Do you have any additional comments to make? 1269 01:58:03,583 --> 01:58:05,458 >> I do not have additional comments to make. 1270 01:58:05,458 --> 01:58:07,458 Thank you. 1271 01:58:08,243 --> 01:58:09,533 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you. 1272 01:58:09,533 --> 01:58:12,949 Do you have any questions for the Commission? 1273 01:58:12,949 --> 01:58:14,468 >> I appreciate everything. 1274 01:58:14,468 --> 01:58:16,385 These are all good comments and I will go back 1275 01:58:16,385 --> 01:58:18,433 and we will make some modifications. 1276 01:58:18,433 --> 01:58:20,837 I guess I will send it over to Dan. 1277 01:58:20,837 --> 01:58:24,960 I guess I'm going to get a staff report 1278 01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,883 and I can go through each of the comments. 1279 01:58:27,883 --> 01:58:30,260 I think a lot of it can be addressed. 1280 01:58:30,260 --> 01:58:34,223 Our whole aim is to be very sympathetic to the House 1281 01:58:34,223 --> 01:58:37,717 because it is a neighbor of mine also. 1282 01:58:37,717 --> 01:58:41,317 I wanted it to look beautiful. 1283 01:58:42,136 --> 01:58:44,136 I'm 1284 01:58:47,595 --> 01:58:50,283 Jeffrey Hains: Thank you for taking an our comments. 1285 01:58:50,283 --> 01:58:53,667 I think it would be best served to come back 1286 01:58:53,667 --> 01:58:55,290 for another preliminary. 1287 01:58:55,290 --> 01:58:57,290 A preliminary review. 1288 01:58:57,227 --> 01:59:01,427 You have heard, to summarize the comments 1289 01:59:01,483 --> 01:59:06,283 of the massing, differentiation of old and new 1290 01:59:06,923 --> 01:59:09,323 from a color perspective. 1291 01:59:12,116 --> 01:59:14,861 What is visible from the public street and concerns 1292 01:59:14,861 --> 01:59:21,461 and you've heard comments about the side entry and the roof 1293 01:59:26,323 --> 01:59:31,789 there have been discussion about the height and the size 1294 01:59:31,789 --> 01:59:34,155 and the proportion of the height itself. 1295 01:59:34,155 --> 01:59:37,163 Staff has a record of all of this 1296 01:59:37,163 --> 01:59:39,723 and can provide you with a report 1297 01:59:39,723 --> 01:59:44,300 and you can work with them to refine your design. 1298 01:59:44,300 --> 01:59:47,603 I appreciate you coming in tonight. 1299 01:59:47,803 --> 01:59:50,203 >> Great, thanks a lot. 1300 01:59:50,496 --> 01:59:54,443 >> Thank you and have a good evening. 1301 01:59:54,443 --> 01:59:57,385 Jeffrey Hains: We will be moving on to the next item 1302 01:59:57,385 --> 02:00:00,773 on our agenda which are the tax credit groups. 1303 02:00:00,773 --> 02:00:02,902 Number six I believe? 1304 02:00:02,902 --> 02:00:05,302 I believe Dan (indistinct). 1305 02:00:14,923 --> 02:00:19,443 Laura: We have group six of the calendar year 2025 tax 1306 02:00:19,443 --> 02:00:20,983 preservation tax credits. 1307 02:00:20,983 --> 02:00:23,433 There are 12 applications in group six consisting 1308 02:00:23,433 --> 02:00:27,330 of $221,008.96 in eligible expenditures for owners 1309 02:00:29,563 --> 02:00:32,563 of properties designated on the Master Plan for Historic 1310 02:00:32,563 --> 02:00:33,403 Preservation. 1311 02:00:33,403 --> 02:00:36,299 A report including a brief overview 1312 02:00:36,299 --> 02:00:38,749 of the work entailed for each of those applications 1313 02:00:38,749 --> 02:00:42,243 was provided to the HPC ahead of the meeting. 1314 02:00:42,243 --> 02:00:46,960 Staff recommends the HPC recommend approval of Group six 1315 02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:50,107 of the calendar year 2025 tax credit applications detailed 1316 02:00:50,107 --> 02:00:53,648 in the reports and recommend staff transmit the applications 1317 02:00:53,648 --> 02:00:58,448 to the Department of Finance for final review. 1318 02:01:08,107 --> 02:01:13,507 Jeffrey Hains: Does anybody care to make a motion? 1319 02:01:15,763 --> 02:01:17,763 You're muted. 1320 02:01:26,443 --> 02:01:29,579 J. Michael Galway: I would like to make a motion that we approve 1321 02:01:29,579 --> 02:01:33,443 the group six historic Preservation tax credit 1322 02:01:33,443 --> 02:01:35,915 application for the calendar year 2025 1323 02:01:35,915 --> 02:01:41,187 and that we recommend that staff submit the tax 1324 02:01:41,187 --> 02:01:45,103 credits to the Department of Finance for the final review 1325 02:01:45,103 --> 02:01:47,103 and approval. 1326 02:01:51,339 --> 02:01:55,539 Jeffrey Hains: Do I have a second? 1327 02:01:58,523 --> 02:02:00,443 >> I second the motion. 1328 02:02:00,443 --> 02:02:04,643 Jeffrey Hains: Let's do a roll call. 1329 02:02:05,674 --> 02:02:07,339 [Roll call]. 1330 02:02:07,339 --> 02:02:09,339 [Members voting]. 1331 02:02:15,675 --> 02:02:17,173 Jeffrey Hains: Commissioner Haynes. 1332 02:02:17,173 --> 02:02:23,830 This motion passes unanimously we will transmit the tax credits 1333 02:02:23,830 --> 02:02:25,830 accordingly. 1334 02:02:26,300 --> 02:02:32,300 The item on the agenda is minutes from July 29th 2026. 1335 02:02:33,707 --> 02:02:38,507 Has anybody read the minutes of July 29th? 1336 02:02:43,861 --> 02:02:45,690 Marc Dominianni: I read them. 1337 02:02:45,690 --> 02:02:48,943 They look good to my eye and we approve those minutes from July 1338 02:02:48,943 --> 02:02:50,943 29th 2026 meeting. 1339 02:02:54,379 --> 02:02:56,379 Jeffrey Hains: Second. 1340 02:03:01,963 --> 02:03:06,763 We will do a roll call once again. 1341 02:03:08,769 --> 02:03:09,531 [Members voting]. 1342 02:03:09,531 --> 02:03:11,531 [Roll call]. 1343 02:03:19,243 --> 02:03:21,643 It is unanimously approved. 1344 02:03:24,283 --> 02:03:28,983 And I look forward to the next round of minutes. 1345 02:03:28,983 --> 02:03:29,993 Other business. 1346 02:03:29,993 --> 02:03:32,993 Are there any commission items? 1347 02:03:34,403 --> 02:03:36,403 Any staff items? 1348 02:03:40,163 --> 02:03:42,355 Rebecca: Rebecca for the record. 1349 02:03:42,355 --> 02:03:48,915 As I mentioned during our work session we are starting a bit 1350 02:03:48,915 --> 02:03:54,203 early on September 9th convening our work session at 6:00. 1351 02:03:54,203 --> 02:03:58,707 We will have dinner available for everybody in the auditorium. 1352 02:03:58,707 --> 02:04:00,759 I made the decision during the meeting. 1353 02:04:00,759 --> 02:04:05,239 We will have the food ready by 530 folks want to come by 530. 1354 02:04:05,239 --> 02:04:07,658 If you can't get there until six, 1355 02:04:07,658 --> 02:04:11,355 no problem and you're welcome to eat during the work session. 1356 02:04:11,355 --> 02:04:14,203 If you can't attend, I will schedule a separate time 1357 02:04:14,203 --> 02:04:16,115 to go over that information with you again. 1358 02:04:16,115 --> 02:04:19,203 The work session is about running 1359 02:04:19,203 --> 02:04:21,677 efficient meetings and Robert's Rules of Order 1360 02:04:21,677 --> 02:04:24,891 and the role of each of the officers at the Commission. 1361 02:04:24,891 --> 02:04:30,891 Coming up in early September, we have the public hearings 1362 02:04:31,683 --> 02:04:35,283 for the Friendship Heights Sector Plan. 1363 02:04:35,373 --> 02:04:40,243 Chair Haynes will be signing up to speak for that and staff is 1364 02:04:40,243 --> 02:04:45,890 working on the letter for you to review to send to the Planning 1365 02:04:45,890 --> 02:04:49,923 Board as part of the public testimony in advance. 1366 02:04:49,923 --> 02:04:54,223 The staff John and I were on the tour for the Planning Board 1367 02:04:54,223 --> 02:04:56,223 this past week. 1368 02:04:57,563 --> 02:05:00,723 We went down to all the sites of interest 1369 02:05:00,723 --> 02:05:03,987 that are scheduled for rezoning and we took the Planning Board 1370 02:05:03,987 --> 02:05:07,147 members by the Reynolds House on the site that 1371 02:05:07,147 --> 02:05:09,188 has been recommended for designation 1372 02:05:09,188 --> 02:05:11,574 so everybody got to see that and John 1373 02:05:11,574 --> 02:05:16,290 got to give a brief history of that grandma those 1374 02:05:16,290 --> 02:05:20,747 are the only items we have coming up in early September. 1375 02:05:20,747 --> 02:05:28,547 I don't have an update yet about our new appointments to the HPC. 1376 02:05:29,755 --> 02:05:31,899 This is the first time in many years 1377 02:05:31,899 --> 02:05:36,830 the appointments did not get done by the council prior 1378 02:05:36,830 --> 02:05:38,269 to the August recess. 1379 02:05:38,269 --> 02:05:41,193 I am back in touch with the County Executive staff 1380 02:05:41,193 --> 02:05:43,291 and hopefully our new commissioners 1381 02:05:43,291 --> 02:05:46,488 will be appointed in September but I don't have a date 1382 02:05:46,488 --> 02:05:50,876 but I will let everybody know when we can expect them. 1383 02:05:50,876 --> 02:05:55,760 These are all of the staff items. 1384 02:05:56,963 --> 02:06:00,883 Jeffrey Hains: Let's hope the new appointees will be joining 1385 02:06:00,883 --> 02:06:03,883 us and welcome their input. 1386 02:06:04,583 --> 02:06:11,183 If there are no other items, I think I can officially 1387 02:06:11,539 --> 02:06:12,823 adjourn the meeting. 1388 02:06:12,823 --> 02:06:14,823 Thank you all. 1389 02:06:16,443 --> 02:06:18,290 >> Goodbye everyone. 1390 02:06:18,290 --> 02:06:19,523 >> Thank you. 1391 02:06:19,523 --> 02:06:21,523 >> Goodbye.