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Fix this.
>> What's wrong?

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Please say something.
>> I can barely hear you.

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» Say something.
>> Karen, we need we need a sound check

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from you. Keep talking.
>> Okay. I can barely hear Brian. I can

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barely hear Rob. I hear Mike very well.
>> I hear I hear

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» Gale. I don't think I heard it.
>> No, we got to live with it.

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» You didn't talk.
>> It's the um if we speak into the

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microphone, Karen, you can hear us.
>> Okay, I hear you perfectly.

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» Thank you.
>> Do we have anyone else on?

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Okay. So,

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is a barn.
>> Okay, we're on.

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» Good evening everyone. Welcome to the
meeting of the Mashby Planning Board.

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Today is Wednesday, February 4th, 2026.
The time is 6:30. Um we're meeting at

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Mashp Town Hall, McCoy meeting room 16
Great Neck Road North, Mashby,

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Massachusetts 02649.
We're being broadcast live on channels 8

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and 1072. The meeting is recorded. Um
it's streamed live on town of Mashby

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website www.mmashbma.gov/

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channel-8.
Um the meeting will be rebroadcast. To

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join the meeting via Zoom, the meeting
ID is 971 2130-5251.

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The meeting ID is 971-2130-5251

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and the password is 268-280.
That's 2-68-280.

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That information is on our um agenda
that was posted with the town clerk. So,

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I'd like to welcome everyone um and
invite you all to rise with me to recite

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the pledge of allegiance.
[clears throat]

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Thank you. First order of business is

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approval of minutes. We have two sets of
minutes. January 10th um 2026 and the

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minutes of our meeting on January 21st,
2026. I reviewed them um quickly. I

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didn't see any um edits or corrections.
Does anybody have any edits or

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corrections to these sets of minutes?
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» Okay. I'll take a motion to um approve
um the minutes of January 10th, 2026 as

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presented.
>> Is there a second?

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» Oh, you know what I got to do? I have to
open up the meeting by roll call vote

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because we have somebody remoting in.
Sorry. So, um who's present? Michael.

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Yes,
>> Dennis.

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» Yes,
>> Dale.

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» Yes,
>> Cameron Faulner.

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» Yes,
>> Rob.

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» Yes,
>> Mary Wagan. So, all our votes have to be

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by roll call vote. So, um we have a
first and a second for the minutes of

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January 10th, 2026.
Um

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by roll call vote, Michael,
>> yes.

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» Dennis,
>> yes.

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» Dale,
>> abstain.

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» Karen,
>> yes.

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» Mary is a yes. Um the minutes of January
21st, 2026. Do I have a motion to

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approve as presented?
>> So be second.

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» There's a second. Thank you. By roll any
discussion by roll call vote. Michael,

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» yes.
>> Dennis,

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» yes.
>> Dale,

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» yes.
>> Karen,

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» yes.
>> Mary, yes. Okay. All right. We have a

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public hearing. Um we did get a uh
request to continue that, but we'll have

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to do that at 6:40.
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there are
invoices.

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» Yes, there are.

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» I'm going to um, regarding the invoices,
I'm just going to recommend we hold back

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the uh, 2026 invoice number 2352 for
Island Pickle. I'd like the opportunity

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to discuss that invoice with the
applicant. He had uh expressed some well

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he had made a request to be able to
review invoices. Um

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» okay so um the the chair will table
invoice number 2026-2352.

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» Okay. We'll put that on the next
>> agenda.

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» Okay.

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» All right. We have five minutes. Um
okay. We have an invoice number

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2026-2348.

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The project location is 474 Main Street
and 31 Schumit Road. The balance due is

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1,76769.

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The work is travel time review plans and
letter travel and attendance to planning

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board meetings. Is there a motion to
approve payment?

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» So be. Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» Okay. Any discussion? By roll call vote.
Michael,

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» yes.
>> Dennis,

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» yes.
>> Dale,

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» yes.
>> Karen,

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» yes.
>> Mary, yes. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I'm going

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to abstain.
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» Okay. Next invoice. 2026-2349.

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This is Osprey Court, Great Oak Road
subdivision. The amount is $1,71855.

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This is for travel time preparation of
emails with contractor regarding rosion

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control uh erosion control and travel
and attendance at planning board

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meetings. Is there a motion to ex uh to
uh approve payment?

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» So second
>> Dale's a second. Any discussion by roll

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call vote. Michael,
>> yes.

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» Dennis,
>> yes.

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» Dale,
>> yes. Karen,

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» yes.
>> Mary's a yes.

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» The next one is 20 2026-2350
for the amount of $2,164.38.

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Um, the work is at Country Club Estates.
Um this is the attend this is for

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attendance at planning board meetings,
travel and site visits to conduct to

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review existing conditions meet with
contractor review construction plans and

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[snorts] at travel and attendance at
planning board meetings.

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Is there a motion to accept?
>> So be second.

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» And Dale's a second. Now these funds
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does this come out of
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department budget
>> and we still have money for that.

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» Uh yes it is funded. Um it is it is
funded. I I do want to now that we have

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new engineers and uh you know this uh
departmental funding of these invoices

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predated my tenure in the planning
department. I do want to have a

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conversation with our new engineers and
with the applicant about um the most

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appropriate path forward.
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» But we have money to cover this. Okay.
Good.

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» Um by roll call vote.
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» Michael, that was Michael. Dennis,
>> yes.

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» Dale,
>> yes.

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» Karen,
>> yes.

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» Mary is a yes. Okay.
Um, next one is 2606-2351

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for the amount of $1,951.38.

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This is for Willow Circle engineering
peer review and construction inspection

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plans. This is for travel and uh site
visit emails with Mr. Miller Scott

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Miller regarding final work items
evaluation estimate and preparation of

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email report for Willow Circle bond
reduction request. also travel in

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attendance to planning board meetings.
So, this the project proponent is paying

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for, right? Correct. Okay. Is there a um
a motion to approve the payment of this?

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» Yes. So, be
>> is there a second?

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» Second.
>> Any comments by roll call vote? Michael?

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» Yes.
>> Dennis?

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» Yes.
>> Dale?

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» Yes.
>> Karen?

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» Yes.
>> Mary is a yes.

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» The next one is a hold. That's 20263552.
The last one is 2026-2353.

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It's for $95. It's review of an ANR at
17 and 23 Alma Road.

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Now, this is something that comes out of
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» This is department
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» Yeah. Actually, we may we may have it's
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um some money from the applicant for it,
but it's it is funded either way.

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» All right. I'd take a mo I'd accept a
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» It's $95. So be
>> Is there a second?

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» Second.
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» I'll in um any any discussion by roll
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» yes.
>> Dennis,

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» yes.
>> Dale,

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» yes.
>> Karen,

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» yes.
>> Mary is a yes. Okay.

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» Okay.
Excuse [clears throat]

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me.

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Seeing that the appointed time has
arrived, uh the chair opens up the

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public hearing. The applica of 6
scheduled for 6:40 tonight. The

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applicant is Shellback Development LLC.
The location is 647 Falmouth Road, 9

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Shellback Way, Mashby, Mass. The
assessor's map is 81 parcel 132. The

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request is a special permit to construct
a 13,229

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plus or minus square foot realy
specialty realy grocery store on 3.97

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plus or minus acres of undeveloped land
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and E2 of the Mash zoning bylaw. So, we
received um a request from the project

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proponent to continue um the matter um
to February 18th.

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» Is Mary Wagan on there?
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» So, this is behind that one.
>> So, I we can hear you. [laughter]

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Hello. Um thank you for zooming in.
So just to explain to everybody um so

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when we uh get a request from the
project proponent um to continue the

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meeting um the chair um asks for a
motion in a second and a vote to

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continue it. We don't open up um the the
public hearing tonight for public

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comment. Um, if there are people that do
have public comment that's new or

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something special, I recommend you uh
send it immediately into the planning

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board so that we have it in our packets
for our next meeting. Um, and that email

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is planning boardba.gov.

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Okay. Um, so thank you for attending. I
sometimes we don't know about this till

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the last minute. Um, this was in our
packet. Um, but if there's something

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like this, you can always check with the
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um to double check that the public
hearing will be held and that there's no

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continuence. I'm going to have you talk
to our town planner if you have a

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question because I was wondering you
don't you still don't entertain before

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you you don't entertain it for people
that came here to talk.

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» No,
>> because the project proponent isn't

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here.
>> But what if I wanted to talk to the

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board? So, so what I'm I'm asking if you
if you have comment, I would email it

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into the planning board at mashbma.gov.
Um, [clears throat]

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» or or also come to the continued hearing
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» Oh, yeah. You can come to the continue
hearing which they've asked uh to

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continue this till February for uh
sorry, February 18th,

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and I recommend a 6:40 start time. Yes.
>> So, I watched it on Zoom and I would

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have to do that on the 18th.
>> [cough]

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» I couldn't [clears throat] figure out
how to because you open it up for

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comments from the people watching on
Zoom. I couldn't figure out how to do

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that. Is it on
>> Do you know how to raise your hand when

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you're on Zoom?
>> Yes. So I if I raised my hand then you

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would have allowed then you guys do
something to allow

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» Yeah. You're not you're not
automatically muted.

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» Okay.
>> Right. Like we don't mute everybody. I

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think that um we could if people started
getting rowdy, but if you ever find

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yourself in a situation where you don't
know how to raise your hand, just call

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out to me.
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» Like, madame chair. Madam chair, I want
to be recognized

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» and you can hear that.
>> Oh, yeah.

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» Okay. Because I couldn't. All right. I
didn't realize that. Yeah. I'm going to

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watch on the 18.
>> Yeah. Okay.

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» Okay.
Yeah, I will just quickly add we did we

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did try to get the word out as much as
possible because we didn't want to

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inconvenience people. Um, so luckily it
looks like the majority of the public

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did get the word. Some folks had
contacted us to confirm directly. We

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wanted folks to know it was continued.
a bit of backstory that's not in your

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packet is I was uh you know through my
assistant engaging in a little bit of

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dialogue with the applicant and uh
learned that the the lead of the

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applicant was actually going to be out
of town this week. So we then called up

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his council's office uh and asked him
whether or not they plan to continue and

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then got this email the next day. So

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» okay. So, I'd accept a motion to
continue this public hearing to February

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18th at 6:40 p.m.
>> So, be.

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» Is there a second?
>> Second.

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» Any discussion?
>> By roll call vote, Michael?

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» Yes.
>> Dennis?

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» Yes.
>> Dale?

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» Yes.
>> Karen?

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» Yes.
>> Mary's a yes. Okay.

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Thank you.

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I feel like I can breathe. [laughter]

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All right.

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» All right. So, um,
excuse [clears throat] me. The next item

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is board engineer report. Do we have our
engineer zooming in or do we have any

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report?
>> Uh, the engineer is not zooming in

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because there is nothing to report this
evening. So, I thought I would be kind

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and allow her to have the evening off.
>> Cool. And then, um, we did the invoices.

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Okay. Now, we can get right into the LCP
review and update.

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Okay. So, oh,
>> so we have two chapters to look at

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tonight. First one is land use and
growth management

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and the second one is municipal
buildings facilities and services. So,

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who wants to lead us through the land
use and growth management?

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» Be happy to.
>> Okay, Brian.

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» That was that was my chapter. It was
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» It [laughter] was. Okay, good. Go for
it. So, uh, I did make some fairly

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substantive changes to this chapter. I
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number of themes, um, that I thought the
public might want reflected. Uh, not the

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least of which is the important of
balancing any development with our need

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to protect the environment as well as
protect uh, nitrogen and phosphorus

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input. um as well as continued the
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um or tradition of having a significant
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conservation and open space purposes.
And then finally to uh preserve,

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maintain and promote the kind of Cape
Cod feel and aesthetics of of

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construction in town. Um so that those
are the ongoing themes. Um there's a lot

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of red lines to go through regarding
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version a little bit more of a theme to
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general comments from town officials as
well as members of the public that theme

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[clears throat]
doesn't really appear to track with um

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the overarching perspective of the
public. So those were the significant

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» that that's the reason for the
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Uh so I'm not if the board wants we can
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can do page by page or if anybody has
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» Why don't you call out the goals?
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» just go right down.
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» and ask if anybody has any comments for
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» Yeah. So for goals LU1 through
LU7, I can ask if anybody has any

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comments. I'll let you know that there
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>> I was just wondering on LU3.

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» Yep.
>> If we can somehow weave um wastewater

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infrastructure in there.
>> Okay. And actually, thank you. You're

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just you're now you're now pointing to
another uh small change I realized in

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that section is that I I I added both an
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referencing LU3, you mean the new LU3 or
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» The redlinined LU3.
>> The all. Yeah. So balance development

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with protecting open space by
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development to promote open space,
recreation, conservation, and

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agriculture.
And what did you want to add or what did

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you think?
>> I don't know like wastewater management

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or water water. You know, we have big
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» Yeah. Should we somehow throw those in
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» Yeah, absolutely. How about
[clears throat and cough] because I I

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feel like protecting the environment
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potentially like to not be too verbio,
we can just say for development to

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protect the environment as well as
promote open space, recreation,

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conservation and agriculture. Would that
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» No.
>> Okay. I think with protecting

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I I think we we you should just by
encouraging innovative ways for de for

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development to promote open space,
recreation, conservation, agriculture

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and clean water.
>> Okay, that works too.

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» That's it.
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» Because that will capture our storm
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» That works.
>> And it's clear.

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» And it's clear clean water.
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just added and open space after
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» Yep.
>> Uh then the only other change to goals

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was LU7, which is partner with local
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that allow aligns with town values like
protecting our environment, promoting

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open space, and preserving Cape Cod
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» It's put in there, clean water.
>> Okay. promoting open space, cleaning up

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our water,
whatever the grammatical term is.

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» I'll just say providing clean water and
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» Karen, I know you're on Zoom. Do you
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goal LU7?
>> No, I think they're all very good.

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So for uh thank you for that feedback
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um again
other than the insertion of L LU1 and

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LU12
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um with the exception of LU2. So LU1 I
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make MASHBY unique, including among
others, its small town feel, its

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substantial open space, its Cape Cod
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its coastal charm.
So I I will say this though, there were

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instances other instances where I didn't
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protecting the small town feel was in
there, which was at times at odds with

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the goal of, you know, and this is in
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actual chapter. Um, it was at times
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effectively urbanizing MASHB. So I just
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in the substance of the chapters, we
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and uh and policies. So
>> thank you.

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» Yeah. I on that matter mean how does
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impact all the development that's
happening right around Mashby Commons

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right now? We're trying to protect a
small town feel. We've got one going on

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Market Street. One one has already been
approved for cross jobs fishing.

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» Yeah,
>> there looks like another one 40B coming

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on on Route 28. Um getting a little
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» 100%. And I think um
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noting to that effect. The first is a
lot of those projects have already been

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approved. So unfortunately the milk's
already spilled there. Uh it's something

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to keep in mind for the approval of
certain projects. Certainly when we're

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dealing with 40Bs though, then we also
have to deal with the challenge that the

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developer until we get into our safe
harbor of 10% is going to have a whole

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lot of leverage in doing what they see
fit. Um that being said though, I think

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there are ways that our department can
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the least of which is traffic on 28,
Mike. And I that's an important issue to

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you and uh you know I know you've
suggested a townwide traffic study

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there. I'm not sure if that's something
you want to chat about now more.

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» I if I don't know if it's the
appropriate time but I did mentioned it

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to Rodney Collins. He said he had funds
for a study and I think an independent

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study you know as I understand it. Uh, I
mean, there's only going to be one entry

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from into the 40B project on 28, and
that's going to be on jobs fishing, and

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it's going to be a short distance from
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development. And that's I mean, we're
moving a lot of moving pieces around

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now. And I'd really like to see if we
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» fully fully agreed. The unfortunate
reality of that is that it does fall

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under a 40B. So unless the developer
I it's it's the developer needs to to a

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certain extent out of the kindness of
their heart um make adjustments to the

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plans that could be beneficial to the
town as a whole. There's uh less than in

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the usual circumstances we can do to um
force their hand so to speak. Uh to

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begin with that's a commercially zoned
area, right? So 40B is what's allowing

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them to put residences in there in the
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So that's kind of the nature of that
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» Well, it's becoming a bit of a beast for
me. I

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» mean I mean Mashp Commons is the reason
why a lot of people come here and now

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just plunking down development after
development around it because it's it's

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possible is going to it's going to cause
significant issues I think. But

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» and the other thing like the other
things we can control

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not only what we approve when projects
come before us but our zoning right

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we've been asked to to uh change our
zoning and the town has said no right um

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what we do with our town funding
>> the town has said no by select board has

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said no or is it
>> no the outcry the public outcry to the

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point that the per the the group
proposing the zoning withdrew,

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you know. So, that's something that's
under our control, you know, like how do

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how how do we preserve our our small
town feel? Well, you don't you don't

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approve zoning that would overdevelop
the town,

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» right? You approve zoning that preserves
our small town feel. Also, you know,

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what do you do with your town funds,
your community preservation money,

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right? you don't sponsor
um a development that's, you know, going

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to pollute our waters, going to do, you
know, add to our traffic congestion,

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that kind of stuff. [clears throat]
>> And the town can also use those funds to

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acquire
pivotal pieces of land to preserve them.

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» Right.
>> Right. So that there are some things we

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can do. We can't control everything and
the planning board can't control

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everything, but to have this as a goal
is important.

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» Control it all though. Mashby Commons um
you know they own what 180 acres of land

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they've developed 50
>> right? Yeah, they have permits that

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» and they have they have a a a
comprehensive permit from

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[clears throat] 2007 which actually when
you look at comprehensive permits it's

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really not that bad, right? I think it
comes to about 10 units per acre or

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something like that. I forget. I did
that calculation once.

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» It is it is spread out. The majority of
the density is near the commercial area

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of the commons because then you know the
way it's modeled out is something like

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the the remaining 280 plus or minus a uh
units are spread out on a large acre

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parcel back behind Job's Fishing Road
and have more of a townhouse or single

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family home feel to it.
>> So they could have put a lot more.

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» Do you know what I mean? Like the
architecture is nice, the planning is

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nice. It's a walkable community. It's
near our senior center. It's near our

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library. It's near, you know, it it I if
if it was not a chapter 40B and it was a

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DRRi, a development of regional impact,
probably the roads would have been

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improved a little bit more, you know,
but hey, that's life in the big city.

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There was a Mass Works um grant for that
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» Fish.
They got money from the state to build

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that road.
>> Now it's a town road, right?

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» Now it's a town road, but
>> Oh, I thought Job's Fishing was still

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private.
>> It got it. It is private, but it got a

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Mass Works.
>> Okay.

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» Grant for the infrastructure,
>> but it wasn't. So, but it hasn't been

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adopted at town meeting as a town road,
right?

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» Yeah.
>> I don't think so.

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» That's the way it works.
>> That's why remember the curbing?

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» Yeah.
>> Remember like you were like, "What the

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heck? What's with all this curbing?
That's because that was from that was

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funded by Mass Works, I think.
>> And and and uh

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» they got the right to put house in there
or something. They got some

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» that role. They got some
>> Well, it's probably Mass Works. It was

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almost a million dollars and it was like
I don't know like 10 years ago. So, that

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was worth a lot of money.
>> Yeah. The other thing to Mary's point

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about the 40B is I believe that parcel
that's back behind

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Job's Fishing where they're going to put
kind of the more um

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» town
the less dense feeling

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» uh also a butts on uh 151 also because
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as well there. So, there's a potential
for a pass through. But I think

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combining Mike and Mary's points, one of
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traffic study is then consider passing
bylaws specifically related to traffic

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management, like zoning bylaws that are
specifically related to it, you know.

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» Well, I I'm
>> We'd like to hear more. Why don't you

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put that as a You better put that as an
action step.

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» Yeah.
>> Is it Would it

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» That's actually not a bad idea.
Okay, we're going to add that to an

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should it go in this? I'll recognize you
in one second, Karen. Would that be an

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action step for this land?
>> I think so. I mean, if we do them as

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zoning bylaws, absolutely.
>> All right. So, we would we want to

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investigate,

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zoning tools
to manage

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traffic congestion.
>> Yeah. Where do you want to put that?

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» I think that's that's an action step
under this in this sure chapter.

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» Which number? I mean
>> just add it to the end.

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» Okay.
>> And and include a independent traffic

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study.
>> Definitely. Yeah.

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» I think we have a traffic study in the
traffic and um

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» we can say based on an independent.
>> Yep.

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» Yeah.
>> Based on

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» Right.
>> So what was that wording there? Cuz I

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really like that wording. Um,
investigate zoning tools to manage

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traffic congestion based on townwide
traffic

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study.
>> And you know what else actually

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» based on future
>> future in that

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town anticipated?
>> Yeah.

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» Townwide traffic study.
>> Hey Karen, respectfully, is there a

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volume button on your mic? cuz we've
kind of tried to troubleshoot everything

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on our end and you're still coming out
very very loud over here. Do you have do

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you have a volume button on your mic?
>> I can turn it down. You're telling me

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I'm turning it down as we I speak. How
is that

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» loud? Yeah, I guess it I guess there's
something else.

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» No, no, I do when I turn that down,
you disappear.

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» Oh, really?
>> No, that's not that's that's

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» that's your volume. What you want to
look for is your mic volume.

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» Yep.
>> What if I just talk like this?

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» That's better.
>> Whisper.

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» Okay,
>> I'll whisper. I'll pretend I'm in

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church.
>> Pretend you're me. [laughter]

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» Okay.
>> Um

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» Okay. So, where were we? Oh, sorry.
>> So, we added an action and we're we're

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on policies now.
>> Uh yeah, sorry. I just wanted to double

427
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:19,440
back over that wording. This is in
actions.

428
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:24,720
» Karen, I'm sorry. Karen, did you want to
say something?

429
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:31,119
» Yeah, I wanted to say I'm whispering.
I don't think Mike is aware that um

430
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,400
Mashby Commons can build on 28 across
the street.

431
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,520
» Yeah,
>> but maybe Brian can

432
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,960
» I am aware.
>> It's already

433
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:46,560
» the shed place deal. Well, it it's a
done deal to the extent that zoning they

434
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:51,440
can they can construct there in
accordance with current zoning. It's not

435
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:56,240
a done deal in the sense that they may
want to partner with the town to do a

436
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:59,920
more proactive layout with the remaining
land, you know, that is mutually

437
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,079
beneficial.
>> Yeah. They don't have a special permit

438
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,599
for that area yet.
>> No, there there's there's nothing

439
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:07,920
permitted there. So they can only
construct to my knowledge there's

440
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:12,640
nothing permanent
>> there

441
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:17,440
about all that you know years ago they
had big designs like right across the

442
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:22,960
street right beside the gas station.
Yep. A piece there behind the picnic box

443
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:27,280
they own that then where the stop and
shop is they own all the way up to the

444
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:31,359
the fire station
>> and they were going to put housing and

445
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,240
stuff there. They had this big plan and
it was a lot

446
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:36,960
» and it was about it it it's it's come
before us twice.

447
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,319
» Welcome
>> months worth of public comment and both

448
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:48,000
times they've withdrawn their proposal
>> and then they were working with the Cape

449
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:53,119
Commission
>> without telling us.

450
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,095
» Point is they had the right to build
something.

451
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,240
» The first round was pretty bad,
[laughter]

452
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:06,480
» right? I mean, one one reason to
potentially look into partnering with

453
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:10,160
them would be that if they could just
sell off the land to the highest bidder.

454
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:15,200
» That's what they're going to be doing.
>> And so that that could result in

455
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:17,359
something to the effect of a hyis.
>> Yeah. you know,

456
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,640
» which
>> one time they came [snorts] in.

457
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:24,560
» I say I say that with the knowledge of
just feedback that I've received from

458
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,359
people in Hyannis, not personal
experience, but

459
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:32,160
» years ago they mentioned that and I said
to him, are you still going to control

460
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:36,560
the development once you sell it to like
say me and I was going to put up

461
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,359
building up my design and he said, "Oh
no, you have to go buy our book and

462
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,560
stuff."
>> But that was like 15 20 years ago. You

463
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,440
know what I'm saying? Agreed. Yeah, I
get it.

464
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,160
» So, you can sell if you own land, you
can sell it to somebody with some type

465
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,720
of restriction on it.
>> Yeah, you can. But,

466
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:59,359
» i.e., you know,
you're going to you're going to start to

467
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:06,560
to build out portions of of land that
are part of a master plan where, you

468
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:10,000
know, it might behoove them to continue
the architectural and site design

469
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:14,319
standards they've already placed there
because it keeps the value of their

470
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:19,680
current property. 100%. And and I will
say that the the main area of the

471
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:25,680
Commons, you know,
has a the walkability component gives it

472
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,960
a very kind of charming feel compared to
other

473
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:31,119
» Yeah.
>> more congested,

474
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:36,319
less,
organized,

475
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:37,599
you know, center areas, for lack of a
better phrase.

476
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,240
» Yeah.
>> So,

477
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:45,119
» and and we have always had an open door
for them to come in. So um you got to

478
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:48,079
remember master is dealing with younger
people now. The daughter took over.

479
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,400
» Yeah.
>> Chase in the background, but

480
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,880
» they have different ideas.
>> Yeah.

481
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,800
» Well, isn't it possible to get them in
for conversation about this long range

482
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,319
planning?
>> Yeah, we could. I mean,

483
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:09,680
» we could anything's possible, Mike.
>> I mean, when you this so quickly.

484
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:16,560
» Well, so and I I and Rob and Dennis was
went through this. I mean, we we left

485
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:20,560
it. We had 27 questions for them.
We've never heard back, you know what I

486
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:24,240
mean? So, the door was open for them
anytime to come back and talk to us

487
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,200
about their master plan,
>> you know, their projections, how we can

488
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:32,000
help them,
>> especially with a new body, somebody in

489
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:35,520
position, open the door again.
>> So, guys, I don't I don't mean to be

490
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,599
rude, but I do want to focus on this
chapter.

491
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,319
» I think Okay.
>> Yeah.

492
00:46:39,502 --> 00:46:42,400
[cough] I so I [clears throat] just
wanted to get that wording that you

493
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:47,280
suggested. Mary,
>> do we have any action items about like

494
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:51,920
working cooperatively with developers to
um meet our goals and policies?

495
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:55,520
» So, let's let's look, but can I first
just I didn't hear all of the wording

496
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:59,280
that you suggested the last time, so I
just want to make sure I have it.

497
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:03,680
Investigate zoning tools to manage
traffic congestion in current and

498
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,680
anticipated. That's all I got.
>> No. Uh to manage traffic congest

499
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:11,760
congestion. Yeah.
>> Um, based upon

500
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:14,800
» Yep.
>> anticipated

501
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:20,319
» development
>> townwide traffic study.

502
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:22,079
» Based upon and anticipated
and

503
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:26,640
» Yep.
>> and comprehensive. How's that, Brian?

504
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:32,760
Okay.
Let me read that back to everybody. Lots

505
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,760
of adjectives there.

506
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,240
Investigate zoning tools to manage
traffic congestion based upon

507
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:44,160
comprehensive and anticipated townwide
traffic study.

508
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:45,119
» Awesome.
>> Okay.

509
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,480
» All right.
>> And then we want to add an action item.

510
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,920
We're cooperatively.
>> So that's the L4.

511
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:56,079
» I think there is stuff in there though.
So let's just make sure because I mean

512
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:58,720
there's a lot of action items here and I
do

513
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,400
» recall there being something to that
effect in here. But if it's

514
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:07,200
insufficient, then we should uh
certainly add it.

515
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,119
» Okay. So, we've gone through the goals,
right?

516
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:15,800
» Yep. We're on the action.
>> All right. We're on policies now.

517
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,800
» Yep. And um

518
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,520
so I just rewarded goal one. I'm not
sure if the board

519
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,599
» goal one or policy one,
>> excuse me, policy one. I'm not sure if

520
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,000
the board wants me to walk them through
all the details of that, but again, it

521
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:34,160
was with this theme of promoting open
space, recreation, conservation, and

522
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:38,119
agriculture was kind of the bigger ad to
it. Um

523
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:46,559
and then other than that, the only other
major change to the policy section was

524
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:51,599
LU12, which is obtained safe harbor by
affordable housing that promotes livable

525
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:57,040
communities incorporating open space,
recreation, conservation or agriculture

526
00:48:54,240 --> 00:49:02,640
as well as Cape Cod aesthetics.
>> I I want to jump to that one.

527
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:06,160
» Okay. Is this cross-pollinated um in for
the in the housing section?

528
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:11,280
» I believe so. I mean, our housing
section. Oh. Oh. Oh. You in the LCP?

529
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:17,119
» In the LCP.
>> I just I just want to make sure LU12 Y

530
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:20,760
» is repeated in the housing section.
>> We can do that. Yeah.

531
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Okay. Um,
>> so

532
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:43,599
» can we go to to LU policy LU6?
>> Sure. And that is new

533
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:49,520
» ensure that any new growth. Yeah. Okay.
>> Ensure that any

534
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:58,000
» Karen, did you want to go? Go ahead.
>> Correction on policy. Lu says 54. What

535
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:02,319
does that mean? That four
>> identify opportunities. Okay. Five.

536
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:07,839
Identify opportunities for mixed use
development existing blah blah blah that

537
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:13,359
are designed.
>> Just a verb there.

538
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:16,079
» Instead of is designed ours is
>> Sorry. What number was that? I I just

539
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:19,599
» number five.
>> Number five.

540
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,839
» Yeah. But so old five or new five?
>> New five.

541
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:30,040
» Let's do all the new numbers.
>> Okay.

542
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,040
So areas that are designed to

543
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:44,319
I have one for number six.
I think we should say to meet our um

544
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:49,119
TDMLS
or clean water goals.

545
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:54,559
» Where do you want that located? um
provide high quality drinking water and

546
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:59,960
to meet our clean water goals such as
TDMLS.

547
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,960
I lost my mic.

548
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:05,520
» Can you still hear me?
>> I can hear you fine.

549
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:10,640
» All right. to ensure that any new growth
does not exceed the town's capacity to

550
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:16,400
provide high quality drinking water and
instead of andor treat waste water

551
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:19,400
» say to meet our clean water goals and
TDMLS

552
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:24,920
» MDLs
>> TMDLs

553
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,559
» all right so sorry after wastewater what
do you want

554
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,000
» so strike
treat

555
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:45,240
wastewater
and replace it with meet our clean water

556
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,240
goals including to meeting our TMDLs.

557
00:51:53,839 --> 00:52:02,119
» Okay.
And should we put something about storm

558
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,119
water in there too or

559
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:08,680
I think it's okay because we have clean
meet our clean water goals. Okay.

560
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:18,141
» I'm sorry. Policy 33
33.

561
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,680
There's another little
[snorts]

562
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:25,440
» Can you tell us which one you're on?
Just read it.

563
00:52:23,359 --> 00:52:32,640
» Okay. It's um
ensure town services and facilities are

564
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:35,200
adequately addressing.
>> So, it's policy number three.

565
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:39,520
» Yep, I got it.
>> Okay.

566
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:45,960
» I'd also like you to read and explain,
and I know that you didn't probably

567
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,960
write this one, but LU9.

568
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:52,240
» Um, yeah, I I did not write that one. It
says ensure coordination of planning and

569
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,680
management efforts.
>> The one before,

570
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,480
» right?
>> Oh, okay. that says provide for limited

571
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:03,680
neighborhood serving businesses where
appropriate.

572
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,760
I have no idea what that is. I just it
was a carry forward from a prior draft

573
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,520
so I didn't I didn't want to touch it
because I didn't understand it.

574
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:18,240
» So I think this is what it is
>> I wanted to make sure I think it was me.

575
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:23,040
I wanted to make sure that in every part
of our town we were able to have like a

576
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:26,160
little convenience store or a little
coffee shop or a newspaper stand. You

577
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:31,280
know what I mean? Like I didn't want any
part of our town to not have access to a

578
00:53:29,359 --> 00:53:37,119
place they could get a cup of coffee, a
gallon of milk, the newspaper.

579
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,440
» Sounds kind of urban.
>> Yeah. You think that's too much?

580
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:46,559
» All right, let's strike it.
>> Strike that.

581
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:51,040
Well, it says where appropriate.
I mean, I don't think it I don't think

582
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:56,160
that necessarily says every part of
town. Do do we have do we have areas in

583
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:00,800
town that like don't have things like
that and people find that they have to

584
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,280
» be their burden
>> she see from from

585
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:10,400
the start of the fall when everybody
leaves and everybody shuts down their

586
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:14,559
businesses and at puffiness
you know Dennis you're how how far are

587
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:18,800
you from the for Roge brothers 5 miles
six miles

588
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:23,200
» yeah 10 miles up five miles up five
miles back you know off the ros

589
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:27,920
» yeah but That's in part market forces,
right? Because much of that area of town

590
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,280
is not annual.
>> I'm not really worried about it. The

591
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,880
three miles I have to go to Roach
Brothers is okay, but

592
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:39,280
» yeah. And and when it's summertime and
when it's summertime, you can walk to

593
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,040
some commercial places, right? It's good
healthy walk, but it's

594
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,760
» actually, you know, where Top Spin Way
is, there was talk of a coffee shop

595
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:54,000
convenience store [clears throat]
>> at that intersection with Great Oak.

596
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:58,400
» As long as they serve good coffee, I'm
for it.

597
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,440
» Do you think we need that or
>> No. [clears throat] Okay, let's strike

598
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,440
it.

599
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:09,200
» Yeah, I think it's uh vague and
confusing. Yes, it's vague and confusing

600
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:12,280
and not necessary.
>> All right.

601
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:21,720
» Any Go ahead, Brian. Sorry.
>> Oh, no. That's all right. I was just

602
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,720
going to move on to actions unless uh

603
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:28,880
» so um
[sighs and gasps]

604
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:34,800
» I'll I'll just touch upon the the
heftier changes. Um so LU2

605
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:40,000
um again I added preserve Cape Cod
aesthetics and promote open space

606
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:45,920
recreation conservation and agriculture.
Um for LU5

607
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:51,839
um
I said prioritize affordable housing

608
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:56,559
that is connected to town sewer or is
otherwise net zero for nitrogen and

609
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:01,359
phosphorus input. utilizes best
practices for a green community like

610
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:06,079
solar power and thermal heating.
Incorporates Cape Cod aesthetics into

611
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:10,720
its design scheme and includes open
space as recreation, conservation or

612
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:17,359
agriculture. I just felt that that was a
sufficient expansion of what the

613
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:23,440
originally worded LU5 was trying to
accomplish, which simply said prioritize

614
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:27,520
waiverss from the flow neutral bylaw to
support friendly 4DB projects that help

615
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:31,119
the town meet the affordable housing.
Actually, I guess it really turns that

616
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:34,240
on its head because it's saying we're
not prioritizing waiverss to flow

617
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:40,160
neutral bylaw. We're trying to
prioritize affordable housing that is

618
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:43,760
flow neutral, i.e. gone sewer. So,
>> yeah, I like that.

619
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,200
» Can you cross-pollinate that to the
housing?

620
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,240
» Sure.
>> Make sure it's in the housing ch.

621
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:54,079
» Okay.
>> Do we have geothermal?

622
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,920
» I wouldn't expect it on the Cape.
>> I know.

623
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,240
» Oh, it's possible. Yeah, it's actually
growing. It's actually growing. Yeah.

624
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,880
Okay.
>> That's the newest. Thank you.

625
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:03,359
» Yeah. No, I want it.
>> Solar power.

626
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,200
» They've been having a lot of bad
problems with

627
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:09,920
» Well, and it heats your house.
>> Yeah. You don't have to dig that far

628
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:15,440
below the frost either. There's a guy
like out in, I don't know, Omaha or

629
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Nebraska and some place where it gets
cold in the winter. He's got a

630
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:26,079
greenhouse that stays at a consistent
70° and he grows his own orange trees in

631
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:29,760
it. Like while there's snow outside, he
wants fresh squeezed orange juice. He

632
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:33,854
just walks out to his greenhouse, plucks
an orange, comes back inside.

633
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,200
» Please don't show my husband that.
[laughter]

634
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:41,720
I definitely got a little jealous
myself.

635
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,720
» Be like, "Yeah, let's go."

636
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:52,880
» Uh, so LU
six. Oh, no. That's a minor change. Uh,

637
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:57,280
LU9 I rewarded to to say develop a
formbbased code. I think we should even

638
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,680
say explore developing a formbbased
code, but yeah. Okay, good.

639
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,680
» All right.

640
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:13,839
Explore developing a formbbased code
uh to encourage aesthetically pleasing

641
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:17,440
structural
structures utilizing Cape Cod design

642
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:22,799
schemes.
uh consistency with the traditional

643
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:28,559
character of the town and the region and
seamless integration and utilization of

644
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:35,119
appropriate
structure size

645
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:41,760
uh type and design considered overlay
first. So that previously read as

646
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:45,839
develop a formbbased code
uh that would encourage aesthetically

647
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,839
pleasing
consistent

648
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:55,839
yeah I guess it was grammatically
incorrect but consistent with the

649
00:58:51,440 --> 00:59:00,559
traditional character of the town and
type

650
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:05,680
considered overlay first. So part of it
was grammatical but part of it I think

651
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:10,280
really just kind of unpacked more
what we're talking about in terms of

652
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,280
consistency.

653
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:19,920
All right, I got some comments on these
>> and then everything else in the activity

654
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:25,119
section was, you know, fairly cosmetic
or, you know, like for example, it

655
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:31,599
talked about the HPP, but it dated the
the last draft before adoption, whereas

656
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:34,559
the draft that was adopted was 2025, so
I fixed the year. You know, little

657
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:40,880
little changes like that in the activity
sections.

658
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:45,680
So LU3 which talks about uh reassess the
role of transfer of development rights

659
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,920
um
and growth management priorities and

660
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:57,319
consider overhaul of the open space
incentive development bylaw. I'd like to

661
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,319
add to make it more accessible

662
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,000
because it's it was designed for one
property owner only.

663
01:00:03,119 --> 01:00:09,680
» Yeah.
>> Right. And the way that was done was it

664
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:18,960
the minimum
acreage was 20 acres. So nobody else in

665
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:25,119
town owns 20 acres of continuous land.
So there's a couple of ways to do that.

666
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:29,920
One, you would allow this on smaller
continuous land or allow people to

667
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:34,000
cobble together
>> parcels. So, it's it's it needs some

668
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:39,839
skilled planning to make sure this
doesn't go down wide. Um, but that was

669
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:44,559
one of the comments that was received at
some of the public meetings

670
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:49,359
um
on expansion of Mashby Commons with

671
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:56,079
formbbased code was that other people
were saying, well, I I own seven acres.

672
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:59,760
How come I can't use it?
>> Yeah, that's interesting. They can of

673
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:04,960
course avail themselves of the cluster
development provisions.

674
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:08,160
» Yeah. But they wanted to do commercial.
They wanted to do top of the shop,

675
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,960
commercial, walkable. Okay.
>> And they had

676
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:17,839
partnerships
with other land owners

677
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:23,760
» where they could have provided the open
space offsite

678
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:28,960
and concentrated the development on this
like 7 acre parcel. So um there was some

679
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,319
discussion that it should be opened up
to other property owners.

680
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:39,400
» Okay.
>> We spent a year or more

681
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:39,400
did this but master car

682
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,440
» and we said the words what did we say?
>> No they we changed

683
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:50,960
» we said trout pond.
>> We changed their zoning father. They got

684
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:55,599
to zoning chain and then they
>> decided not to go that way after they

685
01:01:52,480 --> 01:02:01,119
got the zoning change. Anyways, we're
not going to fall for that again. All

686
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:08,839
right. So, next one is on four.
Um, I think we should add to the and and

687
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:08,839
to meet MASHB's clean water goals.

688
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,240
» I don't Do we need that one?

689
01:02:26,799 --> 01:02:33,040
kind of reads like a different um
>> Yeah, it's I think it's already in

690
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,359
there, right?
>> Yeah, it reads like Yeah, I think we can

691
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:41,280
strike it.
>> You think?

692
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:44,640
» I think we can.
>> All right. If Dale and Mary say you can,

693
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:48,319
I'm going to take their word for it.
We're just going to exit out. So, we're

694
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:52,319
exing out number four. Do we know what's
going on with that flow neutral bylaw?

695
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:56,880
Are there any regs coming out?
>> Well, we have the flow neutral bylaw.

696
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:01,920
» All right. Do we need regs on that?
>> Um, I don't think so. I think the bylaw

697
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:06,160
itself is the regulation.
>> I mean, there may be

698
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,880
RNR associated with it, but that would
probably be under the sewer commission.

699
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:13,680
So,
>> got it.

700
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:21,640
Um, number eight, overhaul the MASHB
sign code with, for example, formbbased

701
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,640
approach.

702
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:29,920
So, I think I've been on one or no, I
think I've been on one committee

703
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:33,039
» signed by law committee. It was nine
people. It was absolute torture and we

704
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,119
didn't change one thing.
>> Yeah.

705
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:44,640
» Um, but um if if you ever read the sign
code, you're like, you know, It's It's

706
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:49,520
prime for being overhauled.
>> As long as we don't allow too many

707
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:52,160
flashing neon signs in town, I shouldn't
have a problem.

708
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,319
» Well, neon signs aren't allowed. Um, I
know

709
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,359
» there's some signs that are popping up
that

710
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,799
» But if you over if you overhaul it, they
people may advocate for flashing

711
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,559
flashing neons.
>> They did.

712
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:09,760
» I think I think Tom, he was like, I love
neon. I'm like, no.

713
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:14,640
We the one that we that was very
interesting to look at was the town of

714
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:20,000
Dennis. They actually in their code
about signs actually had pictures of

715
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:24,400
what was allowed and what wasn't because
the descriptions can be interpreted in

716
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,839
lots of different ways.
>> Yeah. Like

717
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:31,599
» they finally put actual photographs in
there.

718
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:34,960
» Yeah. Depending on the way it's worded
on the outside.

719
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:42,640
» Yeah.
But anyways, and the last one that I

720
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:48,240
have comment on is
LU13.

721
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:52,400
Set a target population
that balances the projected needs of

722
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:57,920
housing supply and the environmental
carrying capacity of the town following

723
01:04:54,799 --> 01:05:04,880
a buildout analysis.
zoning changes proposed

724
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:12,400
in this LCP and the HPP.
So in the 1997

725
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:16,240
plan, the the population was year- round
population was set the target was

726
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:23,920
15,000.
>> So that's that's where that is in here.

727
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:28,520
» It says set it. It doesn't set it in the
LCP. It puts it as an action step.

728
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:35,760
So, what do we want to do?
>> I think that in the text we should

729
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:39,839
somehow acknowledge that it was set at
15,000

730
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:47,240
yearround residents
um in the 1998 plan.

731
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,240
» Okay. How do you want to do that?

732
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:52,240
» Well, we can reference it here or we can
put it in the text.

733
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,640
» Can you
>> Oh, the text of the the text of the

734
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,319
chapter.
>> Yeah.

735
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:59,280
» Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, let's move on to
the chapter.

736
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:02,160
» Or you could just balloon it. You put a
blue box outside of that one.

737
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,680
» Can we put a balloon?
>> I don't think in the goal section. It

738
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,480
would be the only one. It would be weird
in the in the chapter. Yes. But not in

739
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:12,720
the goal section. It would just disrupt
the format. It would disrupt the

740
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,039
formatting of the whole
>> We're on 51 now. If you're doing the

741
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,839
chapter, right?
>> Yes, sir. So, I just took out that whole

742
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:27,599
first introductory paragraph. I thought
I was super fluous and candidly a tad

743
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:33,680
too uh just theoretical and I jumped
right into what in my professional

744
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:37,599
opinion a land use chapter is about. Um
and it just says now for an

745
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:42,079
introduction.
The land use chapter is a guide for

746
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:46,400
thoughtful municipal decision-making on
how to best manage land in MASHBY. It

747
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:51,119
includes everything from conserving open
space to managing real estate

748
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:55,520
development. This chapter discusses the
existing conditions in town including

749
01:06:53,680 --> 01:07:00,400
the current uses of land and the
regulatory framework.

750
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:04,559
It also identifies challenges and
opportunities associated with land use.

751
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:08,480
Just thought we should keep it simple
and uh that tightens things up and makes

752
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:12,799
it a little cleaner and a little
crisper.

753
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:20,039
Appreciate the thumbs up, Mike. Oh, and
then we have um Okay. Do we have um

754
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,319
do we have a chart of um

755
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,720
of population growth?

756
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:42,440
See, we have this nice chart class of
land use.

757
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:42,440
You know, it goes on page 51.

758
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:47,680
There we are.
>> Right. I'm wondering if we can squeeze

759
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:53,520
in there
that there's a famous, you know, the

760
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:59,280
census numbers
and then there's a ch there's a graph

761
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:07,200
that shows how mashp population just
and that's where we can we can put that

762
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:13,839
that 1998 or 1997 sorry LC8
>> 98 thank you LCP set the um target

763
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:17,199
population for the town at 15,000 year
around.

764
01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:18,560
» Yeah, we can put it as an asterk at the
bottom of the chart. How does that

765
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,960
sound?
>> I think a blue box.

766
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:25,520
» Hold up.
>> Yeah.

767
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:31,440
» So that' be right under 99.
>> I right after the end of table 5.1. It's

768
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:36,080
land use change over time. And I think
it's interesting to put the population

769
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:41,440
change over time. And I think that's
from our HPP. I think it's in the HPP.

770
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:45,520
And there might even be a little
narrative associated with that that we

771
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:50,880
can just grab from the HPP, throw it in
there, and then add, you know, Rob

772
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:56,960
wanted a blue box about
how we set the target population in 1998

773
01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:01,359
is 15,000 and just I think that's good
history.

774
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:05,920
» I think it works. All right, I've added
that to my notes.

775
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:13,440
Um oops, pardon me.
So on 52 minor, very minor changes. 53

776
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:18,880
no changes other than again the date at
the top which is consistent throughout

777
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:25,520
the document. Same with 54. Same with
55. Same with 56. 57 is where I'm

778
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:32,799
inserting the recently suggested changes
by Madame Chair and uh member Rob

779
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:38,319
Hansen. Uh other than that, no changes
to 57. very minor adjustment to 58. At

780
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:42,640
the end of the first paragraph, I just
added the phrase, typically they provide

781
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:46,080
either more flexibility or greater
restrictions relative to the use and

782
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:50,880
dimensional provisions of the underlying
zoning. That sentence is intended to

783
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:55,679
clarify what overlay districts do in
general.

784
01:09:51,679 --> 01:10:00,719
» Thank you. Um, in the description of the
poppiness overlay district, I also added

785
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:05,600
it also allows for smaller setback
requirements and limits structure height

786
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:09,840
to 30 ft. It's just a couple of details
that I think are important uh regarding

787
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:15,679
the poppiness overlay district. It it
it's not just smaller lots, it's also

788
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:19,679
smaller setbacks and reduced height.
uh 59.

789
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:26,159
Um
very little changes other than uh I uh

790
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:31,360
added the following sentence to the
light industrial overlay district. Uh it

791
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:35,679
combines the use provisions of the
commercial three and industrial one

792
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:41,679
zones together with light industrial
uses as defined in the zoning bylaws. Uh

793
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:45,840
just so I think it's nice to have a
clarity of what the actual use changes

794
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:50,560
are that the light industrial overlay
district accomplishes.

795
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:55,360
Um so put that in there for a concise
statement to do that.

796
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:02,480
510. A little bit more substantive
changes here uh because of the updates

797
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:07,040
to our formerly accessory apartment uh
unit bylaw now called our accessory

798
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:12,159
dwelling unit or excuse me our formerly
accessory apartments bylaw now called

799
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:17,920
our accessory dwelling units bylaw. So
as you all recall uh it was uh

800
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:25,040
approximately a year ago. So, the last
Springtown meeting, we passed a bylaw

801
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:30,400
that brought our accessory apartment uh
bylaw into conformance with the

802
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:34,320
affordable homes homes act provisions,
the recently passed state law, the

803
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:39,360
affordable homes act uh provisions
relating to accessory dwelling units.

804
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:44,560
So, this paragraph was significantly
rewarded to walk the reader through that

805
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:52,239
process. Uh passed a town meeting. It
allows things like ADUs as of right um

806
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:57,040
in single family uh neighborhoods and
has various other provisions associated

807
01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:02,960
with it. So that's that's the genesis of
those red lines. Uh

808
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:09,040
I'm not sure why, but uh this section
was origing that was originally labeled

809
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:13,280
the setbacks bylaws, but it really talks
about the wetlands bylaws. So, I changed

810
01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:17,679
the title of that and then I changed the
first and the last sentence. Uh, the

811
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:23,199
first sentence is the town of Mashby has
local regulations for wetlands in both

812
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:27,440
its general bylaws and it zoning bylaws.
Then the majority of the text in that

813
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:31,679
paragraph was left the same because it
discusses both the general and the

814
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:36,400
zoning bylaws uh as they pertain to
wetlands. And then I added the sentence

815
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:40,239
pending litigation
may have implications for these

816
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:46,320
provisions of the zoning bylaws or other
related provisions like section 174-31

817
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:54,320
which excludes from lot coverage
calculation any wetlands as defined by

818
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:57,760
MGL chapter 131 section 40
five

819
01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:02,000
» oh Karen has her hand raised
>> hi Karen go ahead

820
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:08,159
» uh wetlands I've kind of forgotten the
section of that but um wetlands in

821
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:14,000
there's a definition I think it's in the
general laws wetlands are flood planes

822
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:18,159
so I think you should define what what
wetlands

823
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:20,800
constitute
>> so it's

824
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,000
» I I don't have don't have that in front
of me so I can't I can't tell you but

825
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:28,320
» so it is
>> all wetlands are flood planes

826
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:35,360
» yeah so it is defined in the code and
you're 100% right Karen that um our code

827
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:40,800
does point to flood plains as a part of
the definition of the wetlands because

828
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:46,159
it references state statute. That's 100%
correct. I feel that the code is uh you

829
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:52,000
know unpacks that definition in detail
and I think it may be just a tad uh

830
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:55,679
verbio and a little less uh reader
friendly if we actually took that whole

831
01:13:53,760 --> 01:14:00,480
definition from the co code and stuck it
in here. Um the intentions of my last

832
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:04,880
sentence there are to also reference
that because that's that's the same

833
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:08,360
provision of the code that provision.
Yeah. So

834
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:13,760
» I have um three questions for you.
>> Sure.

835
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:18,800
» So in our housing production plan, I
think one of our zoning actions was to

836
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:22,719
look at cluster subdivision that would
allow multif family housing

837
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,440
» perhaps.
>> Yeah. So maybe we can double check that

838
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:31,360
because if that it's in the HPP under
zoning, we should probably add it in

839
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:39,040
here. So we allow cluster subdivisions
for single family detached units, but

840
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:44,000
since we're trying to um offer different
types of housing, not just the single

841
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:48,560
family home, we were thinking that we
could look at the cluster subdivision

842
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:53,120
bylaw and allow for multif family, which
it used to allow, right?

843
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:58,320
» And I think it was a growth management
technique was to withdraw that from take

844
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:04,320
that out of the zoning, but now it might
be good to put in. You might even get

845
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:06,800
more open space out of it because you're
taking all the units and making them

846
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:10,400
even closer together.
>> Yeah.

847
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:15,040
» Um so yeah, it was cluster subdivisions
that would allow multif family housing.

848
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:18,800
» Um
in here, do you have it referenced that

849
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,280
you're working on the raise and replace
bylaw?

850
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:24,640
Um, I thought it was referenced.
>> Yeah, you do.

851
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:29,520
» Okay.
>> I don't

852
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:32,480
know where it is.
>> The other Good. And then the other the

853
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,679
last one was,
>> "Hey, Karen, how are your ears?"

854
01:15:35,272 --> 01:15:41,600
[laughter]
>> You're blowing ours away. Um,

855
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:45,360
» I know. I'll try to whisper.
>> Thank you. And then the other thing was

856
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:51,840
and and forgive me for bringing it up
like and not giving you a heads up

857
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:58,159
before I thought that the town had to
zone for shortterm rentals.

858
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,480
I thought towns had to
put them in the zoning bylaw as an

859
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:06,560
allowed use.
>> My understanding of the current Oh, no.

860
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:10,480
No. It's not mandatory to my knowledge.
It's not mandatory to my knowledge. My

861
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:17,199
understanding is the current status of
the law is if you do not have a

862
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:22,719
prohibition on short-term rentals and do
have rental provisions in your code,

863
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:27,840
then the rental provisions in your code
apply to short-term rentals.

864
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:29,679
» So, we don't have to do anything
as far as I know. Okay.

865
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:34,000
» So,
>> all right, then. Strike that. Thank you

866
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:37,679
for that update.
>> Any other zoning that we're working on?

867
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:41,199
Go ahead, Rob. Oh, well, not zoning, but
>> Go ahead.

868
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:44,400
» My one of my comments I sent to you,
>> you didn't incorporate it.

869
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,880
» Yeah, I didn't incorporate any of your
comments, Rob. You weren't supposed to

870
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,400
be commented on chapter 5. You're
supposed to bring your comments to this

871
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,440
meeting.
>> I did. I have.

872
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,440
» So, raise them. [laughter]
>> So, what do you got, Rob?

873
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:57,360
» Okay. Wait,
>> Mike. I can't hear you.

874
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:05,679
» Okay.
>> Okay. I found a couple of minor things

875
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:11,440
uh when I took a review of this. Um
table 53

876
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:15,679
uh one of the columns uh talks minimum
lot frontage

877
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:18,320
in in the page
>> what page are you on

878
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,719
» 5.7
57 page

879
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:28,440
» okay
>> so minimum frontage is identified as

880
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,440
square feet should be linear feet

881
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:36,159
» um yeah that and that is a great uh
point out and actually I thought I did

882
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:40,320
put that one in there. So, I I retract
my prior statement. [laughter]

883
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:43,040
» No, that is that you should specify that
that's linear feet. And I thought I did

884
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,600
actually make that change. That's so
weird.

885
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:53,520
» Yeah, I that was a great catch. Yep.
>> Okay. Uh then uh we we talked about uh

886
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:59,280
my comment three and we were going to I
was going to ask for a small town in

887
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:05,520
paragraph 5.31
>> and you what page you're on, sir? Oh,

888
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:10,000
uh, I'm reading my comments. Um,
>> 5.31.

889
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:14,719
» It It's 531.
>> This is be on page 5-12 for folks

890
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:17,679
» going from the packets.
>> Yep.

891
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:22,159
» And
>> what what did you want?

892
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:29,920
» I was going to add the uh word small
town. Uh, please add the word small town

893
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:33,679
after uh striking out the last line of
paragraph one.

894
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:38,880
» Um, so is that my paragraph one or the
old paragraph one?

895
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:43,040
» Cuz because the the paragraph one I
completely rewrote the paragraph one in

896
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:47,440
that. So
>> 5.3.1 has an entirely new paragraph

897
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:52,080
first paragraph.
>> And

898
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:54,880
that that's fine. That's fine. I see I
think what happened is I had made my

899
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:56,880
changes and then you sent your changes.
I thought I had incorporated the ones

900
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,880
that uh
>> Well, it says in promoting its striking

901
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:03,679
character.
>> Oh yeah, that's where you wanted small

902
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:06,400
town.
>> Yeah,

903
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,560
» right here.
>> So you wanted striking small town

904
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:13,360
character.
>> Well,

905
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,560
yeah.
>> No, adding the word small town.

906
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,800
» So I think instead of striking
character, small town,

907
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:20,960
» right?
>> Okay, good.

908
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,159
» You wait. Do you want to strike
striking?

909
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,920
» Mhm.
>> I don't want to strike striking.

910
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:28,560
» Striking small town character.
>> Okay. I We can combine both.

911
01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:32,080
» Thank you.
>> As long as we're not striking striking.

912
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:36,239
» Okay. I will leave striking in for you
about nothing. Move on, please.

913
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:38,320
» Who's on first? [laughter]
>> Okay.

914
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:44,320
» All right. What's next, Rob?
>> Okay. Paragraph 54

915
01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:50,320
2, which is
>> What are we doing now?

916
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:53,679
» Page 12-3. 13 and 542.
>> Yep.

917
01:19:51,520 --> 01:20:01,840
» And which number [snorts]
>> look I guess uh let's see.

918
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:05,600
Okay. Uh under policies police number
nine.

919
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:12,480
No. Uh
>> under policies or under goals? Policies

920
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:15,600
is 5.4.2. Goals is 5.4.1.
>> Okay.

921
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:20,159
5.
Under policies. Okay.

922
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:23,120
» And and you said number nine.
>> Yes.

923
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:27,520
» Okay. So that's on 5-14, everybody.
>> Okay. 514. Right.

924
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:31,000
» And I just wanted Let's see.
>> Get rid of that.

925
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:41,840
» I wanted to uh It says uh please add the
word and or civil after

926
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:47,600
dot dot dot or
uh proposed military operations

927
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:50,080
on Mashby. So proposed military and/or
civil operations.

928
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:55,280
» Yes.
>> Okay. You got it, sir.

929
01:20:52,159 --> 01:21:02,480
» And and my clarification was uh comment
four uh has to do with recent proposal

930
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:06,480
to relocate Hyannis Civil and commercial
airport to Joint Base Cape Cod.

931
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,159
» Oh, that's that was a great suggestion,
man. I So

932
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,040
» where is
>> I know I added that. That's a really

933
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,239
good point. And I know I added that,
Rob.

934
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:16,640
» Yeah.
>> Okay. And so you want we should add that

935
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,840
to nine, right?
>> Uh

936
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:22,880
» you want to Yes. We should be direct and
say okay. So give me that sentence again

937
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,719
please sir.
>> Okay. Uh please add the word and or

938
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,199
civil.
>> Oh, I got that. The other one about the

939
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:34,560
airport
>> after

940
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:39,040
and the or
uh proposed military operations on

941
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,880
Mashby.
>> Yeah.

942
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:45,840
» On Mashby. Just tell me the sentence
about the airport. Just reread the

943
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:52,000
sentence about the airport, please, sir.
>> Oh. Oh, the sentence about the airport.

944
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:59,040
Okay. Says, uh, uh, comment four has to
do with recent proposals to relocate the

945
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:04,679
Hyana Civil/Commercial
Airport to Joint Base Cape Cod, JBCC.

946
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:17,280
» Okay. So, I will just say take
a careful

947
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:21,360
look at recent proposals to relocate the
civil

948
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:26,800
hyenasis
airport

949
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:31,280
to JBCC
if the issue

950
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:34,000
presents because I think it's dead now,
isn't it?

951
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,880
» Yeah, I think and I think we should use
engage.

952
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:40,560
» Yeah. So
>> again, engage where?

953
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,760
» In the very beginning.
>> Yeah. So

954
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:46,320
» and engage in, you know what I mean?
Like we want to engage in those

955
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,840
conversations. Oh,
>> okay.

956
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:53,920
» You know. Yeah. Good. Good catch. Yeah.
So that was all, you know, that whole

957
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:55,360
discussion about the PAS pollution.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah.

958
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,360
» Right.
>> Yeah.

959
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:02,000
» And the bur and the and the
environmental and other burdens on that

960
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:06,080
area.
So, it was I I've been to some of those

961
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:11,157
meetings and they're like meeting,
>> oh, we'll just put it in MASH PE and I'm

962
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:13,920
like, that's the end of my street, guys.
[laughter]

963
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,199
» Very, very thoughtful comments and
especially just even

964
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:21,637
» not that it's our concern, but the
tactical concerns about having a civil

965
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:25,600
civilian airport on a military
[laughter] base

966
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:32,480
poses some unique challenges. Let's put
it that way. So,

967
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:37,199
» excellent com uh didn't
Did I think,

968
01:23:34,639 --> 01:23:42,480
correct me if I'm wrong, maybe it might
be almost 15 years ago, there was land

969
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:48,719
on the base
that was

970
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:52,639
designated as surplus land.
Remember the tribe

971
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,719
» put in a letter of interest
>> for that land.

972
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:58,639
» Oh, amazing.
>> I heard about it. I heard about this.

973
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:04,000
» There's something very right. So I think
the when the federal land is surplus

974
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:09,920
land
um indigenous tribes recognized tribes

975
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:11,679
if I understand this right and I could
be completely wrong

976
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,520
» no they did
>> have precedents

977
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:20,560
» it it it's first dibs
>> but what they did is they set up

978
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:24,880
training for um
>> they did something okay

979
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:29,440
» to keep the base viable like
>> it's it and you did some work in

980
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:34,159
Falmouth too. Brian, you might have
heard about this kind of stuff, but any

981
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:38,960
type anytime that land becomes like
surplus land, there's like a pecking

982
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:43,040
order. But I remember it was in the
newspaper that the tribe put in an

983
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:46,639
official letter saying, "We're
interested in it."

984
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,080
» Okay.
>> All right.

985
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,880
» Got it.
>> Bringing back memories.

986
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:57,440
» I think it was in the Mashp Enterprise.
>> That was That's a really good chapter.

987
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:01,120
» Great job. Thank you.
>> You're quite welcome. I'm not sure if

988
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:04,960
you want me to, you know, button things
up because the only other page with

989
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:08,719
substantive changes is 512. If you want
me to walk you all through that or if

990
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,239
you feel it's sufficient coverage for
now.

991
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,000
» I'm good.
>> Sufficient coverage for now.

992
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:20,480
» And as long as those charts, the goals,
the policies, and the actions match

993
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:22,400
the list of goals, policies, and actions
at the end of every chapter.

994
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,760
» Sure.
>> Do you know what I mean? Like you have

995
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:30,719
to change them in both places. Yep.
Right.

996
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:38,719
» Right. So, we're going to add
um after that nice summary of by year of

997
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:42,880
how zoning or land use changed in
Mashbury, we're going to add in there

998
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:49,360
how the population changed. It's
staggering. It's staggering.

999
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:56,239
And then that little blue box or some
type of info box about how in 1998

1000
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:58,560
the town set the population target at
15,000.

1001
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,600
» We should also target the summer
population. Yes,

1002
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:05,360
» that goes up to 40,000.
>> We we may even be able to do it as a

1003
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:09,199
double line graph, you know, summer
population estimates over

1004
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:14,480
» year round estimates. And then you could
even put another line marking where we

1005
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:20,800
hit 15,000,
>> right? And it's very And that was 200.

1006
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:24,159
That was 2020. That was the 2020 census.
>> Oh, really? Yeah.

1007
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:30,560
» And And
what I'd love is the year that we would

1008
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:35,840
declared a nitrogen sensitive area.
>> It's like right there.

1009
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:41,040
It's like the population hit that target
goal and boom, I think within three

1010
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:44,000
years we were declared a nitrogen
sensitive area.

1011
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:47,520
» Yeah. So that's
>> so you talk people talk about all the

1012
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:53,400
time how do we know when we hit our
environmental capacity? Well that's how

1013
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:53,400
you know.

1014
01:26:53,600 --> 01:27:01,120
» So I have something here. So the next
thing on the local comprehensive plan is

1015
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,880
chapter 8. This is uh pretty much all of
Rob's changes. Um

1016
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:10,800
» all what?
>> Rob's changes. Rob and I had not yet sat

1017
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:15,920
down to huddle up. in part I I have the
capital facilities plan that I want to

1018
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:20,159
add to this. Um or I should say I have a
draft of the capital facilities plan

1019
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:25,520
that I want to add to this. Uh the
genesis of which came primarily from as

1020
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:30,639
I had mentioned in a prior board meeting
uh conversations with uh Rodney Collins

1021
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:36,000
the town manager as well as Wayne Taylor
the assistant town manager. And so um

1022
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:41,120
you know we kind of went over thing
everything building by building. I did

1023
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:46,800
want to also loop in uh Katherine
Laurent, the DPW director with all the

1024
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:51,360
snow storms, etc., etc., she's obviously
had [clears throat] her hands full. So,

1025
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:54,880
we are just kind of waiting. Um, this
isn't it's not a final capital

1026
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:58,639
facilities plan, but it didn't go in
your packet. So, I wanted the board to

1027
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:03,199
decide whether or not to take a look at
this draft or to wait until Katherine

1028
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:08,239
had the opportunity to opine on it.
>> Bobby, wait. I mean, is there

1029
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:12,000
» I don't have any comments. No,
>> changes to this right now. What we got?

1030
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:16,320
» Well, what I'm referring to, not chapter
8 per se. I'm referring to the capital

1031
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:17,840
facilities plan that I haven't yet added
to it.

1032
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,960
» Right.
>> Wait for Catherine's comments.

1033
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,440
» The only
>> I like that. I like that, Dale.

1034
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,920
» Agreed.
>> And then um

1035
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:32,000
» Dale says with the eyes of a young
father, [laughter]

1036
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:37,360
» can I please go home and put my kids to
bed,

1037
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:43,679
» please? So, um the the only thing I've
ever really picked up on on facilities

1038
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:51,840
is um
the library is is during storm events

1039
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:59,360
or heat waves. The library is often used
as a de facto shelter.

1040
01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:06,000
Um but they don't have a generator.
Um, so we might want to see if that's in

1041
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:10,239
the capital plan. I think that the
library director has talked about it.

1042
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:14,560
» When when was the last time it was used?
>> Um,

1043
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:18,560
maybe I don't know. I'd have to ask her.
>> Well, li the library is discussed in the

1044
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,080
capital plan. Let me see what it says.
And we can

1045
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:25,760
» the library
>> cross reference any comments with Kath's

1046
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:30,960
comment as well. But let me see.
>> Cuz there were parts of town that was

1047
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:39,840
out and it it could be it's within the
last decade cuz I remember we went my

1048
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:44,159
daughter and I went to the library.
No, she was in college. So it's the last

1049
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:49,120
it's within seven years. So we went to
the library because parts of town were

1050
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:54,239
out for power
and everybody was at the library.

1051
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:59,440
Everybody. It was like mobbed and
luckily they had power. But I saw the

1052
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:03,199
library director and I was like, "Oh,
thank you for being here and keeping

1053
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:09,840
this open for us." And she said, "Well,
we're lucky. We didn't lose power. This

1054
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:12,320
is a great spot for a generator."
>> Oh, so you're saying consider adding a

1055
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:17,440
generator?
>> Have making sure the library has a

1056
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:26,320
generator. So during storm events is a
public place for people to go get warm,

1057
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:28,239
try to get on the internet, read a book.
The

1058
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:31,280
» library is the only shelter.
>> No, we went to the school with Hurricane

1059
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,840
Bob.
>> Yeah, that's what a lot of a lot of

1060
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,440
towns do schools because there's just
more space.

1061
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:41,360
» Yeah.
>> But it's I'll tell you a lot of people

1062
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:45,199
will go to a library that's open and
heated before they'll go to

1063
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:50,239
» I added the common. Thank you. Then
they'll go to a a a an auditorium.

1064
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,880
» The official the official official
shelter

1065
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:57,920
» for the library that were already there
were adequate condition constructed in

1066
01:30:55,199 --> 01:31:00,639
2010. So no no funds are necessary.
Where do you think we would get funds

1067
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:04,000
for the generator for that though?
>> Uh general fund

1068
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,880
the capital plan
>> RCA develop.

1069
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:13,760
» How about CPC? That's community, right?
It's uh I'm not I'm not

1070
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:20,400
I'm not sure that that facility is
covered by um a recreational

1071
01:31:18,639 --> 01:31:25,120
building might be.
>> Okay.

1072
01:31:21,199 --> 01:31:29,618
» But not a library. Excuse me.
>> There's an RCA store just down the

1073
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,760
street. Maybe they can work out a deal.
[laughter]

1074
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:36,239
I mean, they do a lot of business in
this town. It's only

1075
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:40,560
» Well, I remember when when we had a
blizzard, remember Panera was the only

1076
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:45,440
place that was open and everybody in
town was there

1077
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:48,880
and the general manager kept coming in
and going, "Okay, everybody, we love you

1078
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,760
very much, but you can only sit at the
seat for two hours and then you have to

1079
01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:55,679
go and let somebody else have a seat."
It was like everybody's rotating in and

1080
01:31:53,520 --> 01:32:00,000
out.
>> So, I think the uh the short of it is

1081
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:04,320
then that the board is comfortable with
the current changes to chapter 8. I may

1082
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:09,760
give it a once over as I discussed after
I get feedback from Katherine on the

1083
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:13,679
capital facilities plan and then I'm
going to just insert it into that

1084
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:16,960
section in an appropriate place.
>> Um

1085
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:23,920
» I think so.
>> Yep. Great. So eight's down. So Dale, we

1086
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:28,080
just need seven from you and
>> seven and then um

1087
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:30,080
» did we ever get anything from the
historical commission?

1088
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:32,800
» My comments.
>> What's that? We never sat through my

1089
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:35,360
comments,
>> but Well, I think everybody's saying

1090
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:37,199
they looked at them and they were good
with them.

1091
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,880
» Do you want to go bring us through them,
Rob?

1092
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:46,000
» Dale doesn't want you to, but [laughter]
>> Well, well, wait a minute.

1093
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:49,360
» No, no. Last time I got criticized for
letting us go after 10.

1094
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:53,920
» It was a joke. It was a joke.
>> My apologies. I thought before they went

1095
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:57,600
out to the board, you and I would sit
back.

1096
01:32:54,639 --> 01:33:01,280
» We can do that. We can do that. we can.
So, I think what we can do,

1097
01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:05,840
» how about how about once we get
>> Okay.

1098
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:11,120
» the capital plan comments in here,
>> we authorize Rob and Brian to finalize

1099
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,960
chapter 8.
>> All right.

1100
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:18,800
» Okay.
>> So, Catherine, after you get Katherine

1101
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:22,080
Lance's work in there, then you and Rob
finalize it. How's that, everybody?

1102
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:25,600
» Sounds good. And we'll we'll hopefully
time that with Dale's as well. And we'll

1103
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:28,000
just crank out seven or eight and then
we'll be done. And

1104
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:31,040
» so Dale, what you're doing
sustainability

1105
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:34,400
» chapter seven? Yeah.
>> It's open space and wreck, I thought,

1106
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:38,320
isn't it? Or no,
>> sorry. So, which chapter is that? That's

1107
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:40,000
not seven then. My apologies.
>> Okay.

1108
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:42,080
» We already do sustainability.
>> We already did seven. We already did

1109
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:46,639
seven.
>> And then we have heritage and cultural

1110
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:50,960
resources.
>> That's you too, right? No, it I sent it

1111
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:57,679
to the historical commission.
>> Oh, so we have to follow up with them.

1112
01:33:54,159 --> 01:34:00,400
» Ava emailed me that she had comments, so
I will follow up with them.

1113
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,400
» Okay.
>> Can I get CCed on those if I'm not

1114
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,120
already?
>> Yeah.

1115
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:04,639
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

1116
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:09,120
» Awesome.
>> I think I think they switched over to my

1117
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:12,679
Hotmail account. Sorry about that. All
right. Um

1118
01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:23,280
Karen, anything else on the LCP? Jason,
>> I think it's very good.

1119
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:30,080
» Great.
Did we delete that language about in the

1120
01:34:26,639 --> 01:34:31,920
neighborhood? I think I the dog started
barking when I

1121
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:37,040
» We did
>> heard that. Okay. About the

1122
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:39,199
neighborhood, you know, neighborhood
store kind of thing you were talking

1123
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,280
about.
>> Yes.

1124
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:45,040
» We showed in two places.
>> Oh, where was the second place? We only

1125
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,679
deleted it now. Oh gosh, I don't know
now.

1126
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:50,560
» Is that in the list at the end of the
chapter?

1127
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:55,120
» Yes.
>> Yeah. So, right. So, the the goals,

1128
01:34:53,280 --> 01:35:00,800
policies, and actions are listed in two
places. In the chart and then as a list

1129
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:05,199
at the end of the chapter. So, whoever
we have proof it all, you know, at the

1130
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:09,280
end. We have to make sure that the
changes we've made to the chart make it

1131
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:15,520
to the lists at the end of every
chapter. So, that will be done.

1132
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:20,719
Thanks, Karen.
All right. New business, proposed zoning

1133
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:25,760
bylaw amendment, article five,
non-conforming building and uses red

1134
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:28,880
lines. Do you want to take us through
that, Brian?

1135
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:35,679
» Sure. Just a moment, Madam Chair. I want
to make that change that Karen suggested

1136
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:39,520
and then I want to turn to that portion
of our packet.

1137
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:45,040
For some reason, I thought we were
covering the annual report before that.

1138
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:49,560
Um,
that was next up in the packet.

1139
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,840
Okay.

1140
01:35:53,199 --> 01:36:01,360
So, okay, let me just
>> Yeah. So, the short of it is this. As

1141
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:06,239
you all know, we created what's now
called PENS, right? It stands for pre a

1142
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:12,159
pens working group, which stands for
pre-existing non-conforming structures.

1143
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:16,719
» So, say that again. pre-existing.
>> That was no reflection of Karen's

1144
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:23,480
thoughts on pens. That was I think her
reacting to her cat. [laughter]

1145
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:23,480
» So it's pre-existing noncon.

1146
01:36:23,716 --> 01:36:25,736
[laughter]

1147
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:32,639
» Um so PEN stands for pre-existing
non-conforming structures. This was

1148
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:37,120
formerly the poppiness raise and
replace. The raise and replace is only

1149
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:42,560
one portion of that bylaw which is
article 5. The primary theme that we're

1150
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:49,840
addressing is structures and/or
non-conforming lots. Um, we formulated a

1151
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:53,600
working group to discuss this issue. Uh,
during the course of the working group,

1152
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:58,239
I realized that you could really
categorize the changes that we were

1153
01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:03,679
looking to make into two overarching
categories. The first overarching

1154
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:09,600
category is changes to the bylaw to make
it compliant with current state law and

1155
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:15,199
to more clearly reflect how it's
actually being applied now, which is

1156
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:20,880
compliant with current state law. The
second category of changes is criteria

1157
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:26,000
for the ZBA to go by when they're either
issuing a special permit or a section

1158
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,880
six finding on pre-existing
non-conforming structures.

1159
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:38,560
Um that second category is going to
require more expansive public input. And

1160
01:37:36,639 --> 01:37:43,360
so what I recommended to the working
group and the working group unanimously

1161
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:47,360
agreed is we would bifurcate the
process. We would first make all the

1162
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:53,320
changes that needed to be made in order
to make the Karen can you put us on mute

1163
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,320
please?

1164
01:37:53,360 --> 01:38:02,800
» I'm sorry. Just excuse me, Rose. Can you
come here, please? I You know, I'm not

1165
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:06,639
that skilled in this thing. I'm looking
to put

1166
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:10,320
» So, you can just mute yourself by
clicking audio and and killing the

1167
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:16,360
audio.
>> I'm looking for audio.

1168
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:16,360
» Lower lower left hand corner.

1169
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:26,639
» Oh, okay.
So um the working group agreed that we

1170
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:30,639
should go ahead and move forward with
the changes that are basically

1171
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:34,960
departmental changes in technical in
nature and therefore do not require

1172
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:40,080
expansive public input or discussion
among the working group but are

1173
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:43,840
nevertheless fairly uh comprehensive.
Um and so that's what we're bringing

1174
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:47,679
forward for this spring town meeting and
that's what's in front of the board.

1175
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:53,040
Now, the plan of the working group is
after this ideally passes at Springtown

1176
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:57,280
meeting, we then know what we're working
from, which is current with state law.

1177
01:38:55,440 --> 01:39:01,520
So, we're then building off of that to
do something that's MASHP specific in

1178
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:07,920
setting those criteria for either a
special permit or a section six finding

1179
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:12,480
under article 5, uh, which addresses
pre-existing non-conforming structures

1180
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:15,199
and lots. So, that's the context. I'm
happy to walk you all through the red

1181
01:39:13,840 --> 01:39:19,600
lines, but I think in the interest of
time, it may be best just to answer any

1182
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:24,080
questions the board may have about these
red lines, but they're based on the

1183
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:28,239
Bjorkland case as well as a series of
other cases that followed from the

1184
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:34,800
Bjorkland case, uh, which was a Supreme
Judicial Court case and, uh, they also

1185
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:38,760
involve a land court case, um, which
slightly modified Bjorkland.

1186
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:48,080
» So, I do have one edit. Yeah.
>> Um,

1187
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:56,400
in section 17.1A,
I think the first sentence

1188
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:58,239
shall be torn down, not to down. There's
a typo.

1189
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:02,080
» Oh,
>> it must have been some type of optical

1190
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,840
reader.
>> Yeah.

1191
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:08,800
» Um,
>> you sure it says torn?

1192
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:12,239
» That may actually in mine it says torn,
but maybe it's just my eyes. But I'll

1193
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,080
I'll make a note of it.
>> I see it as Tom.

1194
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:17,520
» It does say Tom.
>> Well, it definitely shouldn't say Tom

1195
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:24,080
down. So, I I made a note of it.
>> And it's just like the one you caught on

1196
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:28,800
17418 on the next page.
>> You caught that. It was con fawning and

1197
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:31,040
it needs to be conforming.
>> Yeah.

1198
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:34,880
» So, there must have been some optical
reader that converted some version of

1199
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:38,400
the bylaw.
>> Better. There's two really embarrassing

1200
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:43,040
typos [laughter] in our zoning code.
>> That's really bad. Tom down.

1201
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:49,600
» Yeah, don't tom down any structures.
>> But otherwise, I mean, I see these

1202
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:52,960
changes as not changing this bylaw, just
clarifying it.

1203
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:58,800
» It's clarifying it because the way the
bylaw reads now, like it

1204
01:40:57,040 --> 01:41:02,159
it's being applied in a slightly
different manner and the way it's being

1205
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:07,679
applied is compliant with state law.
Does that make sense? So, it's updating

1206
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:12,080
it to more more accurately reflect both
state law and how it's being applied.

1207
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,040
And that's because how it's being
applied is in compliance state with

1208
01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:20,560
state law. Yeah.
>> And that this working group, this Pence

1209
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:24,480
working group, they've seen this.
>> Oh, 100%. And we had at least two

1210
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:26,159
meetings dedicated exclusively to
>> And they're good with it.

1211
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:27,600
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1212
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:33,600
» Yep.
>> So, I um I like it. I think we should uh

1213
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:39,119
vote to send it it submit it as a
proposed amendment to the zoning bylaw

1214
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:43,600
and we should send it into the board of
selectman for inclusion on the warrant

1215
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:48,159
and that's due on Monday the 9th. Is
that good?

1216
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:50,719
» Anybody want to make that motion?
>> I make that motion. So that's be

1217
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,040
» Is there a second?
>> Second.

1218
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:55,840
» Is that motion acceptable, Brian?
>> Absolutely.

1219
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,960
» Okay. It's going to be roll call vote.
Michael,

1220
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:01,679
» yes.
>> Dennis,

1221
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:05,520
» yes. Dale Karen,
>> she's muted.

1222
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:08,000
» Just thumbs up.
>> She waved

1223
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:11,360
» for the record.
>> Yeah, she's a yes and I'm a yes. Rob,

1224
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:16,320
how do you feel about it all?
>> I do.

1225
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:20,080
» Okay. He supports it as well. Okay.
>> Looking at this gives me a nostalgic

1226
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:23,280
feel. When I when I first started, we
were they were talking about this

1227
01:42:22,005 --> 01:42:28,400
[laughter]
was even being said.

1228
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:30,560
It's really e excellent work. Thank you
very much.

1229
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:35,360
» Thank you. I appreciate that. Very nice.
>> Thank you.

1230
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:39,480
» Okay. Uh I drafted up an annual report.
Don't know if you guys have any

1231
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,480
comments.

1232
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:46,080
» My only comment is it looks great.
>> Thank you.

1233
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:51,520
» So you do you want to take a you want to
take a vote

1234
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:54,960
» to to send in that annual report? I I I
make a motion we accept this accept the

1235
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:58,400
stand and report as
>> and send it into the

1236
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:05,440
» Yep. Is there a second?
>> Um I before you do that Yeah. I just

1237
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:09,520
» uh one little clarification. You have my
name who reports to on the activities of

1238
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:14,000
the Cape Guide Commission. Now it's Dale
since he's on the commission.

1239
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:18,679
» Um well this was last year. [laughter]
>> Okay.

1240
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,679
» I'll just keep you there.

1241
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:24,239
There's a place there.
>> Yeah.

1242
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:28,719
» Where was that spot? Wait, give me a
second. Oh, correct. Correct. Pickle

1243
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:32,800
Island.
>> Okay.

1244
01:43:31,199 --> 01:43:36,400
» Oh, yeah. That's actually in the center
of the first paragraph. Instead of

1245
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:41,261
pickle island, it should say Island
Pickle. So, we can make that change.

1246
01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:43,281
» Island Pickle. All right. Thank you.
[snorts]

1247
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:50,840
Great catch, Karen, as usual.

1248
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,239
» Pickle Island. Oh my god, [laughter]
that is what I could find.

1249
01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:03,760
» That actually is kind of a cool name,
too, though, you know. [laughter]

1250
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:05,679
» All right. Uh, with that uh edit, I'll
take roll call vote. Michael,

1251
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,560
» yes.
>> Dennis,

1252
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:07,600
» yes.
>> Dale,

1253
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:09,199
» yes.
>> Karen,

1254
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,440
» yes.
>> Mary's a yes. And Rob, how do you feel

1255
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,760
about it?
>> Yes.

1256
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:20,639
» Good, too. All right. All right. I'll
submit that.

1257
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:25,119
Okay. And then town plan or report.
>> Um I am not going to report on anything

1258
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,880
this evening.
>> H

1259
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,560
» I'm not going to report on anything this
evening.

1260
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:30,880
» So there's something in here we need to
sign.

1261
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:35,520
» Oh yes. Sorry. I do need to report on
something this evening.

1262
01:44:33,199 --> 01:44:39,920
I'm I'm uh
>> the annual anti-discrimination and

1263
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:43,360
anti-harassment policy. Uh, and then I
did want to briefly chat about the

1264
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:47,119
affordable housing speaker series.
>> All right. So, we received it in our

1265
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:50,000
packet. There's a form we need to sign.
>> I want to have everybody's signature on

1266
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:52,719
one form, so I'm going to pass it
around.

1267
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:57,280
» Okay.
>> Uh, actually, there are two separate

1268
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:06,080
forms.
um one that you're going to print your

1269
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:11,520
name on and sign and then the other
is uh list of signatures. So, let's just

1270
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:19,199
do them both.
>> While that's passing around, I do want

1271
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:25,560
to go back to um chair's report.
>> I got an email from somebody that works

1272
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,560
for GHD

1273
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:34,080
translation. GHD
>> GHD is an engineering firm and the town

1274
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:41,520
has hired them to do a lot of our
wastewater planning and engineering. And

1275
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:48,159
so I didn't know what it was at first.
It's a pre-notice

1276
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:54,639
of a of the of the town's official
notice of project change for the

1277
01:45:50,800 --> 01:46:00,639
wastewater nitrogen management plan.
and it's due out that notice of public

1278
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:05,679
change like that public notice
>> is going to be published

1279
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:10,880
February 11th
in the environmental reporter that mass

1280
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:17,920
DP
um has they have a website I don't did

1281
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:22,000
you receive their email
>> I'm sorry I was distracted okay GHD

1282
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:27,520
email about what
>> GHD

1283
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:33,119
on behalf of the town is submitting to
Mass D

1284
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:39,040
a notice of project change
to our

1285
01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:41,760
» ENF or ENIF, whatever. That's our
nitrogen management plan.

1286
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,040
» You want to say
>> you don't. Okay. So, it took me a while

1287
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:50,880
to figure out what this was and the
links they had were like to Google Docs.

1288
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:56,239
I could never get in. But um it's this
legal notice is going to get posted on

1289
01:46:53,520 --> 01:47:02,400
the mass D website on February 11th and
it's it's for the um

1290
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:05,280
» No, it's for for it's for the satellite
wastewater treatment plant north of

1291
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:10,320
Mashby Wakeby.
>> Right.

1292
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:16,880
» So that's coming out on the 11th.
So, it was like a pre-notice

1293
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:21,360
that went to um because I'm the chair of
the planning board, I was on the

1294
01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:25,360
recipient list. And see, it might have
gone to an old email address for the

1295
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:28,159
planning department.
>> That may have.

1296
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:30,159
» So,
it just warns you you're going to get

1297
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:35,840
it.
>> Yes. It's a pre It's a pre-notice of the

1298
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:40,800
official notice.
So, and I think it I think it even went

1299
01:47:38,239 --> 01:47:46,000
to like my old email. I think it went to
my Hotmail account and not my um

1300
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:50,400
» Gmail account.
>> So, I'll get it. I'll send it to Brian

1301
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:53,280
and you might want to make sure you're
on that list.

1302
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:55,440
» Yes. And we should also distribute it to
the board.

1303
01:47:54,080 --> 01:48:00,800
» Yes.
>> And then I'm assuming I'm going to get a

1304
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:03,840
copy of the the um the notice on the
11th. I'm assuming they're going to

1305
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:08,840
email it since they told me it was
coming.

1306
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:08,840
Oh,

1307
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:12,840
it's for you.

1308
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:30,159
Okay. May I circle back and chat a bit
about um the affordable housing

1309
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:36,320
committee speaker series while folks are
signing?

1310
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:41,199
» Yep. Started sign. Yes, Karen.
>> Uh, when is that to be put in when

1311
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:45,920
resource department? No later than
February 13th.

1312
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:48,800
» So, how would I get that? Do I need to
sign it?

1313
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:52,719
» Uh, if you get me an ecopy, I think we
should be good. Is that something you

1314
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:56,880
could sign on your own and scan up and
email on over to us?

1315
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:59,440
» Is this I'm only signing one of these,
right?

1316
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:01,760
» No, please sign both. Oh, yeah. One one
of that

1317
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:04,800
» and then there's another one coming
along. Yep. I I'll talk to you about

1318
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:08,400
that.
>> Yeah, let's we'll handle it offline, but

1319
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:10,719
we'll make it work, Karen. Not to worry.
You don't have to fly back up or drive

1320
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:16,520
back up rather.
>> There's another one. See?

1321
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:16,520
» Thank you.

1322
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:20,520
» Yeah, we'll bring it.

1323
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:29,679
» Um, so just chatting briefly on the le
let's talk housing speaker. We had two

1324
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:33,920
fantastic speakers here this week. um
Reinie Hammond, who's the program

1325
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:40,000
coordinator for Barnesville County Home
Consortium, uh as well as Erin Perry,

1326
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:45,840
the deputy director uh of the Cape Cod
Commission. Um both did wonderful jobs.

1327
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:51,360
They brought really thorough and
wellthoughtout uh slides that get into a

1328
01:49:49,360 --> 01:50:01,760
lot of details and are excellent
resources uh for big picture um issues

1329
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:08,000
uh and resources in affordable housing
uh in Barnesville County, you know,

1330
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:11,119
basically on Cape Cod. So, uh that if
you weren't able to make it because of

1331
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:17,280
the cold, I know it was it was very very
cold that evening. Um it the video is

1332
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:23,360
BashPTV has put the video up on YouTube
and the resources uh should be already

1333
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:28,639
up on our web page um including both the
slides uh and a link to the video. Um it

1334
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:32,800
went really well. It was really
informative. The affordable housing

1335
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:37,119
committee uh asked some very very
thoughtful questions as usual. Um and

1336
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:41,360
there was some good discussion and
dialogue afterwards. And we're getting

1337
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:46,880
excited for the upcoming speaker in
March which is uh gonna be Poa and Hack

1338
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:51,840
and they're going to talk about theair
village project here in Mashby and uh

1339
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:58,080
Marylair is going to be the guest of
honor. So should be exciting. So that'll

1340
01:50:54,159 --> 01:51:04,199
be the the first um first week in March
coming up next month. So

1341
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:04,199
» awesome.

1342
01:51:11,199 --> 01:51:16,480
Thank you.
>> Those are the blank.

1343
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:22,679
» Those are the blank ones.
>> I found the emails,

1344
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:22,679
» Brian, I'm sending them to you now.

1345
01:51:23,042 --> 01:51:25,062
[clears throat]

1346
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:30,000
» And then Mary, after the meeting, I just
have a couple things for you to sign as

1347
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:35,199
chair. Okay.
>> All right. Uh board member committee

1348
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:41,760
reports Cape Cod Commission.
>> No meeting

1349
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:48,560
community preservation. Okay. So
um at our last meeting we made we voted

1350
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:54,800
and made uh two uh recommendations. Uh
the town meeting um one was for the

1351
01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:59,040
historic preservation of the Baptist
church on Route 130 which is in the

1352
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:04,400
historical district.
>> Right. Yep. Right. And so, um, we're

1353
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:09,679
provide we rec we're recommending to
town meeting an authorization of

1354
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:16,159
$100,000 of community preservation money
to, um, do the roof and siding and doors

1355
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:20,560
of that building, um, to maintain, um,
the building structure, preserve its

1356
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:27,040
historic value,
um, Brian Hyde, who's uh, the chair of

1357
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:32,159
the historical district
>> commission or commission. and then also

1358
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:35,199
a member of the historical commission.
>> Yeah.

1359
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:41,119
» Really had some spectacular things to
say about

1360
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:44,560
who it's a simple building, but who has
been members of that congregation and

1361
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:49,360
how important it was to have that
congregation here in town. Um he said

1362
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:54,639
that it opened up in the 1930s when
there was a lot of segregation. And so

1363
01:52:52,000 --> 01:53:01,119
it made that congregation uh which
originally met at town hall um and and

1364
01:52:58,639 --> 01:53:07,280
then started to meet in a in a spot that
where a donated building was placed. It

1365
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:14,480
made safe space for people to meet that
were otherwise segregated uh from uh

1366
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:21,599
religious worship. Um so that was that
was kind of cool. Um

1367
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:25,920
then um they also voted
recommended to vote I think it's

1368
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:31,840
$400,000
for the restoration of the Amos house

1369
01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:34,800
which is on Great Neck Road South.
>> Yep.

1370
01:53:33,040 --> 01:53:36,960
» That's the property that's owned
>> by by Fox.

1371
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:42,480
» By Fox.
>> Yeah. So um

1372
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:48,239
» did they get that? It's private though,
>> right? So anyways, there was uh

1373
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:53,760
basically it there's not a lot of
historic buildings

1374
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:56,639
» in Mashby. People love that building. Uh
people want it to be preserved.

1375
01:53:56,239 --> 01:54:03,599
» Great.
>> So there was there was a vote to support

1376
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:09,840
$400,000. The original request was four
times that. It was 1.2 million. Um so we

1377
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:15,840
started talking about what would be
covered

1378
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:22,400
by a historic restriction right that's
the exterior work and like you know

1379
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:28,159
there was some there was some thought
that even the plumbing inside it you

1380
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:33,840
know protects the exterior but a
historic restriction would not restrict

1381
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:39,520
the plumbing inside so it was exterior
and then Mr. Fox, you know, cut his

1382
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:45,280
request in half. So, it was like 50% of
50%. So, anyways, um that I'm sure we'll

1383
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:49,199
get some spirited conversation at town
meeting.

1384
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:51,040
» Um so, we'll we'll see what happens.
>> So,

1385
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:54,719
» yeah, because
>> because he still have his rights to the

1386
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,119
property.
>> It's privately owned.

1387
01:54:55,920 --> 01:55:03,040
» Are you going to rent it out?
>> Um and Right. And he's not he Yes.

1388
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:07,360
» Can I apply for one of those?
>> Do you have a historic house?

1389
01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:12,639
working on
historical because I work for the

1390
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:14,800
historical you had to do hush here.
>> Yeah.

1391
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:17,679
» Insulation. The paint had to be
>> Yep.

1392
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:22,239
» You know, it it was I don't know how
people really did that because they had

1393
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:27,360
to pick out the certain paints
>> and make it the same way they did like

1394
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:31,119
» in Boston. They were like the 1800
paints and stuff. It was like pretty

1395
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:35,440
extensive. Well, I think if Mike put a
plaque on his house that said the

1396
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:38,719
Milbury house and then just put 1890 on
it, that would

1397
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:44,000
» almost pass. Right.
>> Right. They're going to require a plaque

1398
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:47,440
that it be that it be restored to the
federal standards on historic

1399
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:51,840
rehabilitation.
>> In all seriousness, that is a really

1400
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:55,679
cool and note and noteworthy history.
You know, I do think it raises the

1401
01:55:53,360 --> 01:56:00,239
question about private ownership and CPC
funds, which I don't have the answer,

1402
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:06,800
» right? And Yep. So, we did have town
council

1403
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:13,040
um come in and talk to us and if the if
the town determines that it's being

1404
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:18,480
preserved for a his its historic bene
benefit

1405
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:23,679
and does not violate the anti- aid
laws like aiding somebody

1406
01:56:22,380 --> 01:56:28,480
[clears throat] personally with public
funds, then they you could go forward.

1407
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:30,880
So, is he going to petition to make it
like a state historic landmark or

1408
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:35,599
something like that?
>> So, at this time, there's no public

1409
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:42,320
access to the property.
>> We did request that the property is

1410
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:48,159
opened up x amount of days a year, you
know, for historic tours. Um, but since

1411
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:51,840
it's being rented out,
um, he wasn't comfortable doing that.

1412
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:55,679
When he first bought that property,
there was a little building beside it

1413
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:01,599
and he he was going to make it his
office and they put a driveway going

1414
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:06,480
towards that. So, was that historical or
was that added on? Because he changed it

1415
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,360
all. I mean, what do you do with that
building?

1416
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:10,560
» Right.
>> And what about like a local historic

1417
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,880
restriction? Is there going to be a
local historic restriction placed on it

1418
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,520
or
>> It's going to be the state's historic

1419
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:19,440
» Oh, it is
>> uh restriction. Yeah.

1420
01:57:16,639 --> 01:57:24,000
» All right. So the the town's community
preservation program Yeah.

1421
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:27,520
» uses the state's model restrictions.
>> Okay. Right.

1422
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:32,560
» The interpretation of our chair that
that is required and I support that.

1423
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:37,119
» I I mean I like to keep that building
but

1424
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:40,000
» it's very difficult. So a lot of members
um

1425
01:57:38,639 --> 01:57:46,639
I think there were two members that
voted no.

1426
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:51,920
» Right. And uh we anticipate debate
um on town meeting floor about these

1427
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:58,560
issues. Um
it it right it and there was an idea

1428
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:03,760
floated by one of the members. Um if
that building were to um apply for a

1429
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:07,920
demolition permit,
>> there would be an 18month delay.

1430
01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:11,040
» Oh, is it up to 18 months now?
>> I think so. That's what I haven't read.

1431
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:15,760
» Oh, that's right. Cuz we got the Yeah.
Okay. We have a demolition delay bylaw.

1432
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:19,119
» Yeah, I think it you Well, okay. Anyway,
>> and that would give time for the

1433
01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:22,400
historical commission to try to save the
building

1434
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:26,239
» or salvage the parts of the building.
Sometimes they take out beams and

1435
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:31,119
windows and doors and store them for
something else. Um, but at this point

1436
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:36,080
I'm not hearing that the historical
commission

1437
01:58:33,199 --> 01:58:40,560
um, uh, is going to approach the
community preservation

1438
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:47,679
committee for money to transport that
building to another spot to salvage it.

1439
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:51,199
Um, mostly because it is very wide. It's
it's it's very wide.

1440
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:55,679
» Well, it's a significant size parcel
too. lie it and do it like you know we

1441
01:58:53,920 --> 01:59:01,199
have a museum at the bottom an office
space or something for the historical

1442
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:04,400
commission I mean I I don't want to see
that building go because we don't have

1443
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:07,360
many historical building
>> it's it is really nice looking too it's

1444
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:12,320
it does have
>> yeah but that begs the question if you

1445
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:18,080
don't have any access to it
>> you put given them $400,000 and

1446
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:26,560
» he's just got a home improvement loan
for free wave at the side Mhm.

1447
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:31,760
» And that's why Right. And that's why the
church got a unanimous vote was because

1448
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:33,679
that's a public building. Anybody can go
in there when it's open.

1449
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:38,480
» Yeah.
>> Right. And you know

1450
01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:43,440
» what about the pastor's building?
Go work there. They have money, right?

1451
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:51,040
» Yep. There was $400,000
provided to that to the tribe to do uh a

1452
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:55,840
detailed survey.
I don't know if it's ultra I don't know

1453
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:59,520
what x-ray there's like this
>> right and they wanted to document all

1454
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:07,199
the different parts. I don't know if
that contract was ever signed. Um

1455
02:00:04,080 --> 02:00:11,440
» put plywood around it. That was it.
>> And uh sorry, which church was that

1456
02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:14,800
again? right here down the street.
>> Okay.

1457
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:17,199
» The I think it's the Baptist church.
>> Oh, sorry.

1458
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:22,000
» Yeah, I think the pastor actually came
into my office initially and I told him

1459
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:25,920
to put in a CPC. So, it's great to hear
that he got funding.

1460
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:31,280
» Brian went there was there was a
minister there. I want to say his last

1461
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:36,560
name was Green. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
um and he he was their minister and he

1462
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:42,320
passed away and they had the funeral
there and Brian said that bishops from

1463
02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:44,800
all over the country came.
>> Really? Yeah.

1464
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:48,000
» Like it's a it's actually it's a very
simple building. It's a very simple

1465
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:53,599
site.
>> It's been around since like the 30s.

1466
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:57,119
» It was Yep. But it it um
it's connected.

1467
02:00:54,880 --> 02:01:02,960
» Has a lot of history to it. has a lot of
history and a lot of very important

1468
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:08,719
people in our community worship there.
>> So, um, so sometimes it's not the most

1469
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:13,679
beautiful or spectacular building that
can be historic. Sometimes it can be a

1470
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:22,400
perfectly simple building that has huge
historic significance. So, but

1471
02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:24,320
» okay, that's my report. Design review.
>> Who's on that? Karen.

1472
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:27,199
» Karen.
>> Yeah, she's going to say no meeting. Oh,

1473
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:30,080
there she is.
>> Plan review.

1474
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:33,599
» No meeting.
>> Environmental oversight committee.

1475
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:36,560
» No meeting.
>> You meet next week though.

1476
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:40,400
» Next week.
>> Yeah, I just cuz I looked at the list of

1477
02:01:38,639 --> 02:01:43,040
meetings coming up. Historic district
commission.

1478
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,299
» We just have one tonight.
>> Really?

1479
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:49,280
» No.
[laughter]

1480
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:53,360
No. [gasps]
>> All right. A joke.

1481
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:57,119
» Anything else?
>> Accept a motion to adjurnn. So be

1482
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:59,440
» is there a second?
>> Second.

1483
02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:00,480
» By roll call vote. Michael,
>> yes.

1484
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:01,360
» Dennis,
>> yes.

1485
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:03,040
» Dale,
>> yes.

1486
02:02:01,760 --> 02:02:06,239
» Karen,
>> yes.

1487
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:07,199
» Mary is a yes. And Rob, how do you feel
about that?

1488
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:10,000
» Yes.
>> Yes. Sorry.