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I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order. It is 6 p.m. This is a regular assembly meeting for Tuesday, September 1, 2026. Madam clerk, will you please call the roll?

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I will. Michael Bulls.

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Here.

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Stephanie Nowers.

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Here.

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D. McKee.

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Maxwell Sumner.

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President of the County for.

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Bill Campbell.

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D. Matri Fawnoff.

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Here.

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Ron Bernier.

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Present.

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Madame, are you have a quorum?

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OK.

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Are there in, is there anything

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any members would like to pull from the consent agenda?

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Anything that anybody wants to pull from the consent agenda?

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Assembly person bowls, and then Gamble.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I move to remove AM26-120 from the agenda to come back on the September 15 agenda.

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Is there objection from the assembly?

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I'm sorry.

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What was that date that it's returning?

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It was to remove AM26-120 that's on page 6 of the agenda to be taken off this agenda but come back on September 15.

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other items? Oh yes assembly person camp. I didn't know we could do that, but I'd like

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to do the same thing. I'd like to poll RS268082 and bring it back on the 15th of September.

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Would there be checks and everything in the hand that I'm there?

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Was there a objection on the AM26120?

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I don't see anything. Okay, and you have assembly

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Okay, Assemblyperson Gamble, can you restate, please?

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Yes, thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I'd like to pull resolution 26-082 and revisit it on,

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at the September 15 meeting.

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The objection from the media assembly.

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Did everybody hear Assemblyperson Gamble's request?

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Hold here in the objection.

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You need somebody else, assembly person McKee, turn your mind on a clean,

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which one

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is it about the, oh, there it is, and it's not on the consent agenda, so no, never

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mic, sorry about that, I'm done, I think he's sort of in the job and he's

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Is there anything, any other, I said, the person that works?

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If I could pull, sorry, ordinance 26 dash 099 and resolution 26 dash 080 from the agenda.

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Is there a objection by the assembly?

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Can we repeat the number, please?

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26 dash 099 under public hearings.

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Do you have an objection or an item?

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I want to know the reason why it's pulled and maybe.

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Okay.

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Some of the person there were.

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There was a discussion with the Academy Charter about it.

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And it was agreed to the money should go back to Academy.

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Maybe I'll phone a friend to the manager if he can explain the money routing.

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So through the mayor, it was originally intended to allow us to move the project forward with

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design elements by front loading the funding while we sold bonds, it's no longer needed.

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And so we had a conversation with the Academy Administration, the School District, and

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don't see a need to move the legislation forward.

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Oh yeah, thank you.

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Is there any further objection or is your objection, there was an objection, I was just a

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question, but I'm satisfied with that answer.

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other items, either? Yes, similar to some.

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AIM-26-123.

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Can you consent agenda?

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Are you moving to pull it off the agenda or off the consent agenda?

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Just pull off the consent agenda.

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And you said 1, 2, 3, or 1, 2, 2, I'm sorry.

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1, 2, 3.

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Thank you.

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No objection.

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No, if he's just pulling an off the consent agenda, Madam Mayor.

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Assembly person McKee.

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Under action memorandums, I am 26-119.

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And you are also just pulling an off the consent agenda, correct?

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Yeah, just a consent agenda.

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Any other items from any of you do assembly people?

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Assembly person.

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Assembly person.

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Are you looking for another one?

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Anything else regarding changes in the agenda?

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Hearing none in the agenda has been approved as presented and changed.

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We do have a proclamation, I'm not sure,

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Kim Kennedy, are you here for the proclamation?

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We have a proclamation for calling September

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as pain, awareness month,

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and we did have a request,

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but she is not here this evening.

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So I reached out to her and I haven't heard from her.

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So I'll wait and see, since it's for the whole month,

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I'll wait and see, maybe she will come to another meeting

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where we can present it to her, specific way.

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So then the next item is the pledge of allegiance

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and assembly person, Pomna,

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will you lead us in the pledge, please?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands for nation under God in the visible liberty and justice for all.

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The next item on our agenda is minutes of preceding meetings.

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We have the regular meeting minutes from the 21st of July.

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The regular meeting minutes from the 4th of August.

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Are there any changes to these minutes as presented by the assembly?

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Hearing and hearing none in the minutes have been approved as presented.

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The next is agency reports. Do we have a report from the city?

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Good evening Mayor and Assembly.

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Crystal Night Guard Deputy Administrator of City of Wassel. I thought we'd just give you a quick update.

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What we're doing. I'm sure it's no surprise. We are open to business and there's a lot of business moving in over there.

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A lot of construction happening. We did receive notification from FAA to extend our runway to 5100 feet.

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So that's moving along quite nice.

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We're in the middle of a $12 million expansion

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for Taxi Way K.

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That's about 26 acres for economic development.

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We've got another $3 million in an appropriation

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that's coming from DC.

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That's specific to the extension of the runway.

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And we are procuring property that will make that take it

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out to 6,000 feet.

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Our runways are open again, but we are doing some construction

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out there, so expect one, probably one week

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of closure this month.

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We still do not support sales tax of any kind.

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We did pass legislation in support of the projects

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that were on the MPO list.

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And that passed the last time we had our council meeting.

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There's quite a bit of a paving going on and while

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Silla right now, now we'll continue

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probably to the middle of this month.

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And the road closure on Herman is for the extension

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of the water lines that are going up there by Sun Mountain.

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So we appreciate all you guys come to visit our city

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and we'll try to do more updates more frequently.

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Thank you.

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I don't see anybody from Palmer Houston.

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I will report from the school board.

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Her school district, a week from tonight

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in the assembly chambers here, there will be

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a joint meeting with the school board and the assembly.

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And it's at six o'clock, of course,

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It's a public meeting, so that's a week from today.

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Tonight. There has been a seat of Alaska. I don't see Tom. Okay? We have several people from the state of Alaska. I don't know if they want to give a report or not. I don't see anybody rushing to the mic. So thank you. I understand there was a meeting of the joint assembly in school board.

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And there were two assembly people there.

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Would either one of them like to say anything?

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I must say I think I'm going for about four or five days.

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And I was waiting to get that packet from the charts and things.

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So, Steph, you got it?

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A lot of the discussion was about where enrollments sits for the year.

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And so, as of, I think I was 24th, they said they were about 500 kids under projection.

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But they'd already come up by about 200 I believe, so they expect to get closer to what they projected and will just have to kind of wait and see where those are.

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And then there was some discussion about where the students are going correspondents, the sort of brick and mortar neighborhood school, whatever you want to call it and then kids outside.

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The district, and I think there was discussion about access for the different schools, American

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Charter, and Academy, each Charter, and then some discussion of ranking out of U.S. news

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and world reports that the schools did fairly well in, so there was discussion of that.

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But I think we'll especially be getting into those at the meeting you mentioned next week

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for discussion.

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Rani, are there any, oh, I'm sorry, my date, you want to say a thing?

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Are there any public relations reports?

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Wait, I think probably all of you know, as well as the public today, was the opening of

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our new landfill site.

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And from the conversations, it sounds like there may be some bugs that are going

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Challenges out there, so we'll see how it goes in the next couple of days.

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And then I think you probably all saw that Nova's refining equipment is on its way from Seattle.

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They did tell us just a few minutes before the meeting that instead of the barge arriving on the 7th it's going to arrive on the 6th and so it's pretty amazing.

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I think it's getting so excited out there, you know, so anybody else have any other public relations

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reports?

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Okay, Mr. Brown, you report, sir.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I do have a few updates tonight, so bear with me.

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I'll try to move quickly.

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So if I'm moving too fast, slow me down if you have a question.

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So real quick, I wanted to start with the Barks Committee, which is to review

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Kinnolstanders.

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That first meeting is now or will be scheduled in its coming up September 17th.

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So just to let the Assembly and the public know that that is moving forward.

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The other thing I wanted to just kind of highlight, and I really just wanted to take a second

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to give a couple of our first responders by name recognition.

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I don't do this very often, but when they volunteer to go support a fire in another community,

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I think that's admirable, for sure.

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And so I'm just want to mention some folks

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that were part of that task force.

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It went up to support the muckler fire in the Tokyo area.

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So Kirk Gibbs, Mike McCabe, Philip Gauss, Lewis Cates,

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Dylan Miller, Haley Mitchell, Brent Wood, and Jake Boothby.

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And I remember, I'll just share this quick story.

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I remember getting up date.

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I got a text message from Ken Barkley, one Saturday.

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I remember setting that reading it and you kind of like,

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You know, you know, they go, you don't necessarily know what they were doing, but they were

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put on a detail to basically protect homes.

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And without going into detail, the task force leader was giving details, some of the details

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around what they were doing to protect this private residence.

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And so, you know, I'm setting in the comfort of my home reading about this update, right?

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And I just remember, it just struck me like, these guys are out there doing that kind of work

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to protect people's homes, like it is remarkable.

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And they don't just do it for our community every day, day in day out, they're willing to go north and do it for someone else.

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And so I just want to pause for a moment to say...

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I wanted to recognize these folks by name. I really just say thanks for all they do. Here in our community, in elsewhere, just really struck me that night to read through it and it makes a difference. It really makes a difference. And so I just wanted to take a minute and appreciate them. So now I'll move in.

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Got the presentation up, so we're rocking a roll like a set. I'm going to keep moving. So if you recall back in, and I'll just advance forward here a little bit. If you recall, we had a public safety meeting back in August of last year.

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year, been about a year.

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And so I wanted to provide an update on a couple of tasks that I was given by the Assembly

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to research this idea of potentially developing a regional dispatch facility, or an E9-1

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facility, and a facility to support the Alaska State Trooper Operations in the Valley.

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I wrote a meet statement up there to just kind of like talk a little bit about what are the

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benefits of having a facility like this, and of course some of that coordination.

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and we've got Austin Daniels, Major Gorn, and Captain Chan in the back that agreed to join

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this evening to, and we've been coordinating together on this idea over the past year.

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But I would just say it with this.

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There is currently no permanent Alaska State Trooper hub in the Matsu, which for the second

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largest municipality in the state of Alaska, you ought to, some folks ought to find that

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kind of astonishing.

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They are currently distributed across six least facilities that were not designed to support law enforcement functions.

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So if somebody is like, why would the borough have this conversation, that's the answer.

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And so this idea is to leverage an existing plan to develop a new fire station at the corner of Tate and Bogard.

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And so that plan has been in the works for Central Matsu Fire Department for a number

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of years.

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The idea of consolidating station 5-2 was station 6-5 into a facility that provides a better

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location, better access and sleeping quarters so that we can improve staffing in the facility

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to reduce response time.

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That's what we're trying to do.

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So along with that, we had this conversation around, you know, if you're going to go

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and do that, there is an economy of scale to construction and leveraging one project to benefit

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another.

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So, the current, so this idea of kind of co-locating to create this operational platform,

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and I'll start with a quick overview of the regional dispatch.

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The idea is, you know, right now, Maccom, which is the city of Wasila, supports the boroughs,

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call taking and dispatching functions for E9-1-1, and we do that through a contract.

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And they're in a facility, it sort of works like I'm not going to set up here and be critical of it.

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But what we're looking at is what does the future look like and how do we get into a facility that has a little bit more capacity than the existing facility.

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And it's also a little more modernized than the facility that we're in, I'll say this.

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The facility that was in facility that public safety is already left and moved to a new facility and dispatchers and call takers are still in that facility.

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So that tells me something right there, and down the road, when you look at this, they're

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performing the dispatch functions for us.

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The regional dispatch functions are a borough responsibility, because we are the regional

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government, right?

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It's not necessarily the cities.

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I think we enjoy our contractual relationship with the city and they're doing great workforce.

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I don't have any challenge or concern with that.

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What I am looking at is how do we posture ourselves in terms of infrastructure to be ready

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for the future?

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And that's what this proposal is about.

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So right now I just thought it would be that bottom left bullet talking about the number of E91 calls and annual calls overall that we receive annually.

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I think those numbers would probably be like, wow, I had no idea we were moving 100,000 calls a year.

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But that's the volume of the work that they're doing.

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And so what I want to be clear is because there's been some, I think probably some concern out there maybe by some.

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This is not the burrow proposing to assume day-to-day operations or staffing for these facilities.

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This is the burrow stepping in and trying to leverage another project to build for the future and provide that facility because it supports regional needs, not just city operations.

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So, the idea here is having a purpose bill facility for regional dispatch operations.

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Roughly $5 million would be a general estimate and some of that will have to be fared

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it out during design and it would be done as an annex to station 5-2.

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So we would leverage the footprint of the fire station to build the dispatch facility because

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there's cost savings in that.

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And I'm looking out to Crystal when I make the statement, I believe the City Council will

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considering signing on to a memorandum of agreement with the burrow on September 14th

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at the city council meeting.

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And so we're not moving forward with this in earnest until we have an agreement with

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oscillate that this is something that they are interested in as well, and...

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The administration over there is agreed to bring this to the city council for their consideration. So this gives you your heads up that that's coming.

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As far as the trooper facility goes, probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a 16,000 square foot facility, roughly $8 million, and I'm cold probably back there, shaken in his boots because he probably would like to see that estimate be a little bit higher.

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That's, you know, puts us in the ballpark, we'll see if we're able to get there and what that looks like exactly.

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But the idea is, basically, we would have a 20-year initial lease, and the Burroughs role would be to develop the project.

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I would, I think, were in a better position to do that in the state of Alaska is for many reasons, and I won't set up here and get into the goings on in June.

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that probably wouldn't make that something easy for the state to accomplish.

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But I think the borough could step in.

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And the key here is we would build it, lease it.

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And there's a term sheet that's included with the legislation online for the public

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to view that talks about what those general terms are.

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The idea is to treat it like an investment.

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And so when Cheyenne and I talked about this, you know, we were like,

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this isn't your average mortgage or alone necessarily.

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like if we can, if we can realize the same rate of return as we would on a 20-year investment

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that we program now that then that seems like a reasonable thing. So when we ran the numbers

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and looked at it, we're in the ballpark of what the troopers are paying annually for six

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least facilities. And the idea is we can make this investment, get the rate of return, get paid

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back, and still own a facility when it's all said and done instead of paying somebody else

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or facilities that weren't built for law enforcement,

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and there's no end-in site for payment.

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And so we're somewhere, I think, roughly around

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a half a million dollars a year.

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That's just going out the door into these six

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least facilities with no end-in site.

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So this is, I would argue for those

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that may be in Juno question, what the borrows doing,

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to kind of stand up on its own in support public safety.

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I would say this is an example of how we could stand in

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and do something that fits within what a second class burrow

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has the authorities to do and supports public safety

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for our region.

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Now, having said all that, I will end with this.

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So the resolution basically says, it doesn't basically.

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It says, it directs me to go complete a proposal

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for assembly consideration for facility,

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because I don't want to spend time in effort getting hopes up

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that we're going to do this if the assembly is not in.

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And now having said that, there would still be three assembly approvals for coming even after even assuming that you approve this resolution tonight.

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We will need to go out and negotiate a lease agreement with the state of Alaska, because obviously we're not going to commit to spending any money to build anything unless we know we have a 20 year lease agreement.

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All right, so that's condition number one.

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So we need to go do that work, but I need to make sure I have the authority to go do that work and I'm not out of line with what you all expect of me.

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Secondly, it's probably even the harder one than negotiating a lease with the state of Alaska, is that I get if we got to find the funding in FY 28 budget and I will tell you that is going to be hard to do.

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But if we can do it, if we can get there, then that money would be available. We would do this without taking on any debt and we would do this with a rate of return over 20 years that is a reasonable investment.

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And so those are the next two steps is get the agreement in place between now and the spring budget cycle.

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Go through the spring spring budget cycle, see if that appropriations in there.

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And if that works for both the $5 million for regional dispatch and the $8 million for a state trooper facility,

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and then at that point, the assembly would still have to prove the contracts for designing construction of the facility.

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So, by no means does this resolution put us on a path that can't be halted or stopped?

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It just gives me the go ahead to go out, have these conversations, and see if we can reach an agreement with the state of Alaska, come up with a reasonable budget proposal in the spring to then bring those things back to you for your consideration.

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So, that's resolution 26,089. I don't have anything further unless there are any questions of me.

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So are we talking a total of 24,000 square foot facility?

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Yeah, great question through the mayor.

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So what it would be is the annex to station 5-2 would be the regional dispatcher.

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They would still be two separate stay in the loan facilities.

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So we would build the regional dispatch facility as an annex to the existing fire station.

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The state trooper facility would be next door to on the same parcel or on the same property.

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But it's own separate stay in the low facility and there's a reason for that because the way the term sheet was developed

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It is possible for the state of Alaska

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On that building when it's all said and done if they want. Right? Because it's deep, it's DPS. So the idea is to create that pathway for the state should they choose to own the facility. And so, therefore, wanted to have them as two separate facilities. But on the same property.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Any other, yes, assembly person, Gamble and then Fauna?

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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So I take it that the Citroen Matsu Fire Service,

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Fire Service area board and DPS is on on board with this.

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So through the mayor, I haven't specifically asked for

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a resolution of support from the FSA.

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The FSA will only be obligated to pay for things

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that are related to fire service.

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These other appropriations, if you will,

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will be area wide appropriations.

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question on you said the funding and getting through the state and if the state is not

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are we able to there's other path to getting the funding or would state would be actually

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funding the project where that's the money. How does that work, I guess.

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Yeah thanks for the question, through the mayor to Mr. Fauna. The funding is actually burrow funding.

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I think the state, if they could get the funding, would build this facility for themselves.

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I don't think there's a lot of support in Juneau at the legislature in the legislature.

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I'll be specific to support a state trooper facility in the Matsu.

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I'll be honest with you based on a tent language I've seen in the past.

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Their preference would be Matsu just takes over law enforcement.

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They draw down a trooper presence.

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I don't think I'm saying anything that hasn't been said publicly already.

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So therefore I don't think there's a lot of support for the state providing funding to build the facility.

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So what we're stepping in and saying is if we can come up with that funding and do it through a lease agreement, we can get paid back over time

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As an investment or in a generally the same rate of return is of an investment

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But have a hard piece of infrastructure that supports public safety in the match suit

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Because I don't think Juno will support that we could certainly put it in our legislative priorities and ask for a capital appropriation

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I just think based on what we've seen from the legislature in the recent past I wouldn't expect a lot of support for that

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I mean for the question, and look for some knowledge.

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Thank you.

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First of all, I love having the troopers in Palmer.

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So that makes me partial against this a little bit.

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But a new building would be nice.

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I know how old that building is.

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I wondered if the trooper representative might be able to speak to something.

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I think the public might be interested in, which is if you have six facilities,

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your troopers are kind of spread out.

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if you consolidate to one, like, how does that affect those areas that might have had troopers placed

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throughout the burrow? And how does that align with where your increasing call volume is going?

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Like, where do you, you know, are a lot of your calls going up, can it goose bay,

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north of metal lakes? So you've got faster response times, but I just wonder, I'm consolidating

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facilities like I can, I can see advantages of it, but I could also see disadvantages

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if you don't have stage troopers in different places around the borough or such a big

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borough.

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And tell me you don't want to leave Palmer.

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Good evening, Assembly.

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Thanks for your question.

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Yes, we are spread out over several, at several, about six, different locations.

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And they don't all house traditional blue shirt response type troopers, other special to

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units with drug units and specialty units with in investigations, modern troopers don't operate

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out of, we don't have to go back to post all the time now to write reports, right?

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Policing has it, it advanced and evolved and the ability to have communication with all

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parts and pieces that you need under one griff is a financially responsible, be improved

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communication, and see brings us to the current age of policing, troops spend a lot of

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time in vehicles, their offices are now their vehicles, so to think that someone needs to,

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a whole bunch of satellite offices. I think is largely outdated and extremely inefficient.

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Did I answer your question? Yeah, and then the other part, yes, it does. The other thing,

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I was just kind of curious.

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About is where you're seeing the call volumes. I think we had kind of reports in the past and I think the public

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is kind of would be interested in that, like, you know, generally the bulk of your calls, or they

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one direction or other from this facility, if we were able to build it.

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I don't have a map with me, but I'm pretty confident in saying that I'm the past commander in BD attachment

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And Captain Chan is the current and if we had to put a dot on a map on where to put a trooper post

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It's with an about a half a mile of where this is proposed.

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It's a pretty center

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Thank you even I know I'd hate to lose you in Palmer. I'd love to see you have a new facility so I understood. Yeah, I appreciate that

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Then I just have one question

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And maybe both of you can answer, but

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BoGuard is already a bad traffic zone.

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So in planning this out, can we make sure

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or is it already part of the plans to talk about maybe

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having a stop light there at,

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because state's already dangerous.

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Interstate, you got a curve.

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I'm just thinking about emergency traffic going out.

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Is that already part of the eight million, five million

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plan would that be a state portion?

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Is it already part of the plan and can we

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make that part of the discussions to have that kind of figure

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out before we build the facility and how we're going to pay for it.

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So through the mayor, I believe that segment of Bogart is state, I'm looking at coal for

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confirmation.

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I got that.

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So as part of any design process, we have to do a traffic impact analysis and we have

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to submit for essentially a driveway permit to DOT.

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That's what we go through with schools and anything else that we do.

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It's hard to know exactly what might be required.

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But I can't imagine that what we're talking about there in my non-engineer brain would warrant

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a traffic signal, but that analysis would have to be done in advance.

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The challenge is we're not there yet.

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Because I'm just trying to make sure we have, you know, your buy-in before we start talking

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about spending money on a designer or anything like that.

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So we certainly would have to look at that.

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I don't know that you would see traffic generation on a large scale based on the size of

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these two facilities, but certainly access would be a consideration.

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Does any feedback on that in terms of accessing an out and things that are important for

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the tree first for that?

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Yeah, I agree some type of impact would need to be looked at for traffic flow, et cetera.

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I mean, right now we are in the middle of a city and we've been making that work for

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four years, so I have to believe we can make board guard growth work as well.

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So I'm like, what's in the bowl?

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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So I'm just thinking about this.

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I know it's different than the Alaska Crime Lab in Anchorage.

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But my understanding is when the Alaska Crime Lab was built or refurbished in 2012, it greatly

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increased communication accessibility and efficiency for, you know, please APD troopers.

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And if that's the case, is this comparable, this thought, this build, is, is that being

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considered, you know, what Anchorage did and the process they did, as far as leasing, that

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space to the state and come into an agreement that way.

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Because it could be a great partnership and I think that it would be beneficial.

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So, that's what comes from an opassist, yeah, that's fair.

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DC McDaniels.

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You know, through the mayor of Mr. Bowels, as I delay for a moment as they've come forward,

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I definitely wanted to refer to the troopers in terms of how they deploy themselves operation.

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But what we're talking about here is how do we make sure they have the infrastructure to do

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what they want to do here in the valley?

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And when I like it like two to road and the DPS is facility and I see the growth of the

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Matsu, like at some point we've had this discussion for years around the appropriate movement

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of state agencies to within the borough. I mean we had this debate for years about DOT and

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all the engineers living living in the building down by the airport and going, why they live

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out here? Why don't our traffic engineers and design engineers and construction managers

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live in the, why don't they work in the Matsu where they live, right? So I think this is to

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some degree on part with that, you know,

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and back in the day when the state was still growing

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and doing things and the oil revenue was flowing,

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like I don't think it was that hard

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for some of those things to be built out

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in other municipalities.

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We are not enjoying the same conditions that they did,

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yet where we continue to grow

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and we're not necessarily seeing some of that

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move from Anchorage, for example, to the mayor.

445
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:08,140
And there are specialty capabilities that they have, that just as an administrator or a look at and go, shouldn't some of that be deployed out here?

446
00:35:08,180 --> 00:35:19,380
I mean, I can't make that call, but if they have the infrastructure, I think it postures for that type of the evolution of that over time, as the needs of all.

447
00:35:19,380 --> 00:35:24,140
So I'm in agreement. I think collocation is a good thing. I mean, you know, I were both in the army.

448
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:27,900
Just though, I think we think like they're in a very supportive troopers.

449
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,540
And so I see this is a good thing. I'm just thinking about the crime lab.

450
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,980
And I remember it was funded by the state, but it was least land from anchorage as an agreement.

451
00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:40,200
I don't know if that's an avenue or not. I'm just.

452
00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:45,240
I would love to see this happen because we do need a larger trooper presence.

453
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:51,240
That's one of the concerns out in district one is, you know, sometimes people call for a trooper and

454
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:58,520
They can't either can't get there because there's a priority somewhere else, you know, or they might take an hour or two down

455
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:04,200
Canick River Road or up in Sutton, Chickenland, so I think colocation is a great thing.

456
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,440
Yeah, thank you for the record, Austin McDaniel, I'm the deputy commissioner for the Alaska Department of Public Safety.

457
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,960
So, I wasn't directly involved in the negotiations that occurred for the State Crime Lab,

458
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:17,180
which I know is on city land.

459
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:18,660
It's at least back to the state.

460
00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:23,760
I think it's also important to note that the Anchorage Police Department's forensics capabilities

461
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,960
are also housed in that same facility.

462
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:30,500
So, there's some synergy there between those two groups.

463
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,420
What I would say is right now out here in the Matsu Bureau.

464
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:40,240
We have three patrol swadrooms spread across the burrow.

465
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,400
We have three investigative swadrooms across the burrow.

466
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:47,260
We have evidence between four or five different facilities.

467
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,920
All of that is a challenging enough itself.

468
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:54,620
And on top of that, our current office in Palmer,

469
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,720
we've got our walking papers there.

470
00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:00,740
And as Mr. Brown pointed out,

471
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:04,600
We're not seeing additional funding from the legislature

472
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,720
for our presence out here.

473
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:09,760
So we're at the point now between the growing costs

474
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,820
for everything that we do all over the state, not just here,

475
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,100
growing dispatch, contract costs, growing lease costs

476
00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,620
for all of these facilities of having to start

477
00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:22,840
making difficult decisions of can we do we need to start

478
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,540
pulling personnel services line to pay for these services

479
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:29,720
that we have to have to have a presence in an area.

480
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,280
You know, of looking at the other large second-class boroughs, we also have presence in,

481
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,260
I think in the Kena Peninsula borough, the Fairbanks North Star borough, we have consolidated

482
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:46,680
facilities in both of those areas, which has the wild life troopers, major crime investigations,

483
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,540
state trooper operations, command staff are all co-located to ensure that we're making

484
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:58,400
the best use of our resources, you know, right now having multiple squadrooms and multiple

485
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,780
facilities, because we just can't find a facility to lease that exists to do that today,

486
00:38:05,220 --> 00:38:09,640
is definitely not a good use of our resources, which is all of our resources.

487
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,720
And we're getting to the point now, we're not sure.

488
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:21,640
We don't have a lot of good backup options for a new Palmer post after we're moved out of

489
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,240
the building that we're currently in in a few years.

490
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,320
I hope that answers your question.

491
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,700
I can get more specifics on that agreement we we had at the time for you.

492
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:29,920
Uh, something.

493
00:38:34,290 --> 00:38:34,670
Yep.

494
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:35,810
They mayer.

495
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:39,650
I just wanted to thank you for your guys in service.

496
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:41,310
You got.

497
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:43,970
Support from district seven.

498
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:44,850
Go blue.

499
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,580
Anything else?

500
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,420
I think that's all for this report.

501
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,120
If I could leave you with one like soundbite about this like when I think about this,

502
00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:59,140
this is a way to.

503
00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:04,460
because you kind of listen to them talk about how they manage the resources and the distribution

504
00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:06,540
across these facilities with a lease.

505
00:39:06,940 --> 00:39:09,760
We just went through, we've been going through this with charter schools and trying to figure

506
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,580
out how to get them into permanent facilities.

507
00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:17,580
This helps to create an anchor for the Alaska State Troopers in the match suit.

508
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,740
That's what this is about.

509
00:39:19,340 --> 00:39:20,140
So, I think that's it.

510
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Thank you, gentlemen, for joining and then I'm going to invite Cole Brandem up for the next update

511
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,820
mayor.

512
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:35,120
That's okay. Sure. And then just for the record, that resolution is on the consent agenda right tonight. So again, there will be at least three or more approvals moving forward.

513
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,280
Sure, we can pause.

514
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,100
So Colotia.

515
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:13,500
All right. Good evening, Madam Mayor. Members Assembly, Madame Colbrandum. I'm the project management division manager. And I'm going to give you guys an update on the instrument to trunk road corridor project, specifically talking about the final route selection report.

516
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:19,400
Tonight's presentation is about selecting a preferred corridor. It's not approval of final design or construction.

517
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Additional engineering and environmental review right away, coordination with Alaska Department of Transportation and other permitting agencies and funding decisions will still be required.

518
00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:44,360
Resolution 26-094 is included in your guys's agenda this evening for introductions and the intention is to have a public hearing set for September 15th.

519
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,940
We're doing that so that we can present this information to you tonight.

520
00:40:48,540 --> 00:40:51,920
Give you some time to digest the information that's included in that packet.

521
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,640
There's quite a bit of information there between the route selection report,

522
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:59,100
some of the resolutions that were provided as well as the Public Works

523
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,260
Decisional document.

524
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:04,800
Fall begin by quickly introducing the project team.

525
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,600
So HDL Engineering,

526
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:10,300
Assisted the Burrow with the technical analysis,

527
00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:14,140
route evaluation and public involvement on this project.

528
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:21,240
So the goals for this presentation is we'll review the project history, scope of the project,

529
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,340
purpose and need, route developments in the evaluation criteria we discussed,

530
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,620
public input we've received, present the recommendation for Northern Route 1,

531
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:36,040
and then discuss the recommendations benefits and impacts.

532
00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:43,920
So this is going to be a brief overview, like I said, there's a lot of information in the packet if you want to find more information about this.

533
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,260
In real quick, before I advance, this slide here shows the visual triangles.

534
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,820
So this is the area we're talking about.

535
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,500
It's bound by Wasilla and Palmer Fisher, Bogart Road and Trunk.

536
00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:55,760
And really, we're talking about the southeast corner of this quadrant.

537
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:57,520
We're instrumentalized in.

538
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,340
So this slide shows a purpose in need.

539
00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:07,120
So continued significant growth has increased traffic demands in the visual triangle.

540
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Limited Road Connections, Concentrate Traffic at Inks from Road and Bogar Road.

541
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,600
This project is intended to provide an alternate connection to trunk road.

542
00:42:16,380 --> 00:42:22,140
The goal is to improve safety, connectivity, emergency access, and long-term network capacity.

543
00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:29,300
We're all aware that there's a roundabout project that states working on at the Inks from Bogar Green Forest Intersection.

544
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:31,940
That project is intended to address safety.

545
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:38,560
But it does not create another route into or out of the area in the physical triangle.

546
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:46,300
So this project's been recognized by long range transportation plans, including the 2035 plan,

547
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:51,840
and then the official Streets and Highways plan that identify a need for a major collector connection

548
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,500
between Inkstrom Road and Trunk Road.

549
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,260
The voters approved the project through tip 21 in November of 2021.

550
00:42:58,340 --> 00:43:04,360
The Southern route was shown during the tip 21 as conceptual, but at that point in time,

551
00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:06,160
there was no engineering analysis completed.

552
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,880
The borough evaluated multiple routes to determine a project that meets the purpose of need

553
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,360
and collector function.

554
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:18,600
So a little bit of the history of the project for Constance Engineering began with the Southern

555
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,220
route and early analysis identified Northern Route 1.

556
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:32,600
Public Input led to the development of four additional build alternatives open house feedback generally favored northern routes and prioritized access and connectivity

557
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:41,580
The final evaluation will balance the public input traffic cost environmental right away and engineering considerations

558
00:43:42,940 --> 00:43:45,340
The route selection document

559
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,520
It compares all the routes using consistent planning criteria.

560
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,660
No route performs best in every single category.

561
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:56,100
The recommended route is based on the overall benefit,

562
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,280
or a balance of benefits and impacts.

563
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:03,580
Selecting a route allows for detailed study and design refinement

564
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:05,060
to focus on a single corridor.

565
00:44:05,980 --> 00:44:10,340
So the four build routes that we looked at are the southern route,

566
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,660
which is the red dash line towards the bottom of the map.

567
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:20,780
That route is approximately one mile long and connects the Inks from Road to Trunk Road through North Old Homestead Road.

568
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,880
It is the shortest route, but it's located close to Bogart Road and functions more like a minor collector.

569
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:33,900
More than Route 1 is approximately two miles long, connects to Trunk Road, southwest of Heat and Road,

570
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:39,480
at a proposed official streets and highways intersection, and it's the purple line shown on the map here.

571
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:48,760
Northern Route 2 follows a very similar path to Northern Route 1, but it extends a little bit further to the east and connects in at the existing heat and road intersection.

572
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:54,600
And then stone creek to Aspen Ridge is the longest route, and it heads north to Palmer Fishirk.

573
00:44:55,260 --> 00:44:56,980
And it's about 2.5 miles long.

574
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:59,960
So Southern Route and Northern Route 1 were the...

575
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,560
The original routes that were evaluated in the Reconnaissance Engineering Study, Northern Route 2, and Stone Creek to Aspen Ridge, were public input.

576
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:17,880
So when we had the open house and some of those activities, we received input from folks and that's all those alternatives ended up in this analysis.

577
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:27,600
And then, of course, we also had a no-build alternative, which doesn't mean the purpose of the new project but was utilized as the baseline comparison for these routes.

578
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:34,440
So each route was evaluated using the same selection criteria, routes were evaluated for connectivity,

579
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:40,540
mobility, environmental, community impacts, engineering factors included constructability

580
00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:43,760
right away, utilities, maintenance, and cost.

581
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,020
No single evaluation criteria determined the recommendation.

582
00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:55,080
So the categories that most tie into the purpose and need are connectivity and mobility.

583
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,540
So the preferred route should encourage traffic to trunk road and provide useful alternative access.

584
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,360
It should function as a true major collector with the planned road network by providing benefit to the broader area,

585
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,000
and efficiently moving traffic to their destination.

586
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:15,880
The Northern Route serves more of the area by providing better separation from Bogart Road as we'll see in a slide here in a little bit.

587
00:46:16,420 --> 00:46:19,660
The Southern Route offers relief but has less value as an independent collector.

588
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,480
The traffic study also looked at the intersection relief and traffic volumes on the roads.

589
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,880
So without improvement,

590
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:31,640
Inks from road is projected to experience severe congestion by 2050.

591
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:35,840
DOT's roundabout analysis of the Bogart Inks from green forest intersection

592
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,660
showed that the intersection flows efficiently through 233,

593
00:46:39,380 --> 00:46:44,700
which was the design year, providing meaningful benefit to drivers during that period.

594
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,700
But by 2050, which is the year that we looked out to in our traffic study,

595
00:46:48,700 --> 00:47:00,120
projected growth is expected to significantly degrade intersection performance, likely requiring additional improvements beyond a regardless of the connector route that we build.

596
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:12,000
Neither route resolves the projected 2050's level of service concerns, as much as this is contributed by the traffic on Bogart Road and the growth that's expected on that corridor, which is why we need an alternate route.

597
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:20,960
Because of intersection performance, because of this intersection performance is not a distinguishing factor in this evaluation.

598
00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:28,120
The model shows that the northern route attracts nearly double the amount of traffic, because it serves a broader area.

599
00:47:28,540 --> 00:47:34,460
Functions more like a major collector and captures more future growth providing long-term benefits.

600
00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:43,180
So more traffic on a corridor is a positive outcome because it means it's redistributing traffic across the network.

601
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,220
The broader network benefits also include emergency access.

602
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:53,460
So many neighborhoods rely on Inks from Road as their primary collector access.

603
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,600
Crashes, construction, natural disaster and other emergencies are concerned with limited alternative routes.

604
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,880
The Northern Route provides better network, network, redundancy, due to its spacing.

605
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:11,300
This improves alternate access for residents, emergency responders, maintenance vehicles,

606
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:12,180
school buses.

607
00:48:13,740 --> 00:48:18,320
This also ties in with the way that the borough classifies a major collector.

608
00:48:19,500 --> 00:48:24,040
So major collector connects neighborhood roads and local roads to higher capacity roadways.

609
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,960
It balances movement with controlled access and appropriate intersection spacing.

610
00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:39,040
Spacing between roads of similar or higher classification, matter when considering usage for drivers.

611
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,960
The recommended minimum spacing for major collector in higher roadways is one mile.

612
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,740
For roadway width speed, whether we're going to include a pathway or not, right away considerations,

613
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:56,700
Those will all be determined during design when we get further into the development of this project.

614
00:48:58,180 --> 00:49:02,980
So applying those principles helps us determine where our major collector makes sense.

615
00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:09,000
So this figure here shows a heat map of existing neighborhoods and areas of future growth.

616
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:14,640
So you can see the colored areas where we have development in the areas where there's potential for growth in the future.

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00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,900
So major collectors should serve current and future development.

618
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:27,680
Inksome road functions as a major collector, but traffic is concentrated onto that single road so an alternate route is needed to distribute the traffic.

619
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:42,060
In our traffic analysis, we considered the fact that inksome north to text out would be constructed, as well as the east and west legs of text out be connected, so that was considered during our evaluation.

620
00:49:43,580 --> 00:49:47,720
Roadways spacing influences the distribution and network efficiency of traffic.

621
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,280
This figure shows that the northern routes provide greater separation from Bogart Road.

622
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,220
Northern Route 1 is about a mile to a mile and a half depending on where you're at.

623
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,540
Which creates a balanced grid network.

624
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,980
So, if you look at this figure, so we got Bogard Road at the bottom, and that's an artillery road purple. And then the next major collector we have is textile drive. So, if you look at the spacing there to line somewhere in the middle, creating a grid network, that's where the northern routes tie in to the network pretty well. And then as development continues, you start filling in those gaps with minor collectors. And that is one of the reasons why we believe the southern route could make a good minor collector in the future, as developments support.

625
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:37,760
it. Another consideration that I wanted to point out is that the northern routes eliminate

626
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,700
one of the sharp corners on the eastern road and could be encouraged, could encourage traffic

627
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:48,920
coming from the Wolf Lake, Aspen Ridge, Stone Creek area to go out to trunk road.

628
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,780
If you kept that movement out to trunk road as the through movement and then teed up that

629
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:59,600
southern leg of the eastern road into that intersection, the southern alignment to the south

630
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,720
would create a left turn movement, which is a potential conflict for traffic, having to cross

631
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,820
across a lane to get over to that alignment.

632
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,540
And then the northern route has potential for future expansion, extension, I'll be either

633
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:17,780
late, not necessarily part of this project, but just something to consider when you're

634
00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:19,060
talking about a major collector.

635
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,440
The transportation benefits of these routes needs to be weighed against the environmental

636
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,160
impacts.

637
00:51:26,340 --> 00:51:29,180
So these were evaluated at a preliminary planning level.

638
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,740
The Southern Route has fewer wetland and stream impacts, while the northern routes have more crossing impacts.

639
00:51:36,580 --> 00:51:42,820
On this figure here we show the wetlands, which are the green shaded areas, and then the streams that are blue.

640
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,960
And then that orange hash line is the floodplain.

641
00:51:47,780 --> 00:51:56,180
All build routes will require environmental permitting, detailed fieldwork, and analysis permitting will take place.

642
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,040
Once we have a selected route and get into the design phase of things.

643
00:52:04,270 --> 00:52:07,470
Public input and community impacts were also evaluated as part of this.

644
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:12,710
Public involvement included meetings, written comments, a website, and then a survey.

645
00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:17,510
Feedback generally favored a connection to trunk road and prioritize access and connectivity.

646
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:22,350
Of the distinct individuals we received comments from the Northern Route was favored.

647
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:25,990
However, there is a group of people that strongly support the Southern Route.

648
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:30,150
those supporters generally emphasize lower cost and fewer impacts.

649
00:52:30,550 --> 00:52:34,950
Public input informed recommendation and was considered alongside the technical analysis.

650
00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:40,110
So the engineering and constructability, this is kind of the nuts and bolts of things,

651
00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:42,010
and it ultimately equates to costs.

652
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:47,590
So we took a look at the design, right away, construction and utility impacts for each of these alternatives.

653
00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:51,350
The southern route is the lowest cost option, primarily due to length.

654
00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:58,530
Northern Route 1 is the next lowest cost, the higher cost for driven by route length, water crossings, and right-away needs.

655
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:05,130
These are planning level estimates and will change as information is developed and we get into design.

656
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:13,810
And cost was weighed against each of the other categories in the evaluation and the long term benefit of each project.

657
00:53:13,810 --> 00:53:24,270
So all that information is consolidated into this selection criteria, which is a SNIP out of the report itself.

658
00:53:25,310 --> 00:53:29,110
So the evaluation compares rough performance for all alternatives.

659
00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:33,470
No build, the no build option performs very poorly.

660
00:53:34,050 --> 00:53:36,970
When you look at the categories that are associated with the purpose and need of the project.

661
00:53:37,330 --> 00:53:40,830
But obviously it performs well when you talk about environmental impacts were cost.

662
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:46,030
The Southern Route performs best for cost, length, and lower environmental impacts.

663
00:53:46,930 --> 00:53:52,590
The Northern Route performs best for connectivity, resilience, collector spacing, planning goals, and projected use.

664
00:53:53,690 --> 00:54:01,770
Northern Route 1 provides similar transportation benefits to Northern Route 2, but Northern Route 2 has a little bit higher cost and more property impacts.

665
00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:05,910
The overall evaluation supports Northern Route 1.

666
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:15,070
Based on that, combined analysis, the final route selection report concluded, as the preferred

667
00:54:15,070 --> 00:54:20,030
major collector connection, it provides the best overall balance of the evaluation criteria.

668
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:25,190
The recommendation is to advance the corridor into preliminary design, not final design

669
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:26,170
or construction approval.

670
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:32,690
Future design will refine the typical section, alignment, impacts, cost and funding needs.

671
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:39,750
Design and construction funding has not yet been identified, and construction schedule has not been established because of that.

672
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:45,930
Based on all these factors, staff recommends Northern Route 1 as a preferred corridor for further development.

673
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:54,750
In real quick, for I open it up for questions, so our project website is at the bottom of this slide.

674
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:58,470
I'm a QR code if you want to sign it or take a picture of that.

675
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:59,790
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video.

676
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:12,220
We have the route selection report, the reconnaissance engineering study, traffic study, environmental, open-house documentation, as well as some other updates available on there.

677
00:55:12,940 --> 00:55:18,700
So if we continue to move this project forward, we'll advance the public involvement efforts on this.

678
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,100
This presentation is really a brief overview. There's a lot of information packed in these reports.

679
00:55:24,100 --> 00:55:27,560
We recognize the sensitivity of getting this link right.

680
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:34,100
So if you're interested, please reach out and we can discuss if you have questions between now and September 15th.

681
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,920
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

682
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,840
Thank you, Cole, for the presentation.

683
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:48,240
One thing that I've listened to fellow residents on both sides, you know, somewhat north, somewhat south.

684
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:52,620
One thing that has been mentioned and we met,

685
00:55:52,620 --> 00:55:54,980
And we talked about this in a good detail.

686
00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:57,920
Apparently, there was an issue with snow drips on angstrom.

687
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,120
That's some residents brought up.

688
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,620
I guess, once it gets windy and the snow starts drifting,

689
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:08,980
it actually creates a pretty hazardous area along angstrom

690
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:12,060
where the southern route would go, which is concerning

691
00:56:12,060 --> 00:56:14,560
to some residents that if was choose the southern route,

692
00:56:14,860 --> 00:56:18,660
that could also increase the possibility of the residents being

693
00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:22,140
pushed into this area where these large snow drips happened.

694
00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:27,200
I don't know. I haven't seen them. I just want to be told. Do you know about that and can you discuss that?

695
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:33,260
Yes, so I'm from there with some of the so drifting that we've had on Inkstrom Road. It has been a problem in the past.

696
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,980
With the gravel pit operations, they've created some burns, at least a long Inkstrom Road that has helped relieve some of that.

697
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,140
I think there's still potential for some concerns around I believe it's canorite cornealious lake there.

698
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:51,520
As to how the Southern Route would be impacted, it does cross a fairly open area, so there's

699
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,020
potential for that, but that would be something that we'd look into in further detail when

700
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:57,600
we've got a design trying to mitigate that.

701
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:05,210
I mean, Assemblyperson Summer, did you have a question?

702
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:13,510
No, I mean, I think my question is being answered for the analysis of the report.

703
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:19,820
Assemblyperson Palmer.

704
00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:27,560
I, you briefly touched on the public comments and basically there is a, like I said in

705
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,380
group of visual including, I believe, for the north-eastern community council, they were

706
00:57:32,380 --> 00:57:38,740
really promoting the Southern, but obviously, when you reach out, you reach out for comments

707
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:46,260
beyond, just community council, could you say the strong, I guess argument, for and against the

708
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:52,360
out around besides the cost. Obviously, that's because of the distance you said. But what

709
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,880
else are other reasons that there are strong performance towards the south around?

710
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:04,460
Yeah, I can speak to that. So some of the major things outside of cost, time received time to implement.

711
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,940
A lot of that's going to be tied to the funding. When that becomes available and then what that funding

712
00:58:10,940 --> 00:58:13,820
sources, whether it's local dollars or federal dollars,

713
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:16,420
really changes the timeline of that project.

714
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:20,200
So at this point, it's hard to say whether the timeline

715
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,260
would be quicker or not.

716
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Another concern that's raised is the truck traffic

717
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,420
from the gravel pit, central gravel pit locations,

718
00:58:33,060 --> 00:58:36,640
as raised as a concern that the southern route could solve

719
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,080
for this project.

720
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,940
We are looking at the larger regional benefits of this.

721
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,780
We do recognize there could be some benefits for travel travel truck operations there,

722
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,600
but we believe that the northern route provides greater regional benefit.

723
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,740
That's one of the reasons why we're supporting that.

724
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,780
But those are probably the two main reasons.

725
00:58:56,220 --> 00:59:00,140
It's time to implement and conserve your own truck traffic outside the cost.

726
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,420
Yeah, well, that's far as traffic for the trucks.

727
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,800
That's probably going to operate for a while, but at the same time something can change

728
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,820
in the ground that could shut down.

729
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:13,780
So to build a road that is strictly on that,

730
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,400
that's, I think, not the strongest arguments.

731
00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:19,500
The time frame, if, you know,

732
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,960
wasn't the funding issue and the projects were to move forward,

733
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,540
is there a big length of time of completion?

734
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:30,040
The two, three year project, one verse, the other

735
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,380
is at like, once two years and the other one's five years

736
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:36,620
in which you construct, what would you say, just a preliminary?

737
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:51,840
Yeah, so, preliminary a lot of that depends on one of the fund source, like I said, if it's federal funding there's a lot more steps and whoops you got to jump through that extends out the time of the project and then the other driver of time is going to be right away acquisition.

738
00:59:53,020 --> 00:59:57,460
You know, there's a very formal process that we have to follow and steps that we have to go through in that.

739
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,960
I would say three years would...

740
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,820
We'll be the absolute quickest. We'll be looking at probably three to five year timeline to construction.

741
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Regardless of which option is that correct?

742
01:00:08,260 --> 01:00:10,060
Where one is at this point? Yes.

743
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Okay, thank you.

744
01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:14,740
Can you put the question?

745
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,540
That's not done.

746
01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:19,380
Thank you.

747
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,680
Can you have some more?

748
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,880
No, okay.

749
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,480
Mr. Attorney, do you have a report?

750
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,700
The clerk's report is in your red folder with the upcoming meeting schedule, election dates,

751
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,560
and quasi-judicial report, and also attached is the joint assembly school board agenda for

752
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:42,320
next Tuesday.

753
01:00:44,540 --> 01:00:48,260
The next item on our agenda is citizens and other correspondence.

754
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,140
Are there any comments on the citizens or other correspondence?

755
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:07,300
Okay, all right, my apologies.

756
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,920
Deputy Mayor had something more to bring up at the end of the manager's report.

757
01:01:14,820 --> 01:01:17,160
And skipped over my apologies, sir.

758
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:17,840
Go ahead.

759
01:01:19,180 --> 01:01:24,840
I moved the assembly to direct the vroom manager to pair and submit comments to the last

760
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:30,840
Department of Natural Resources and a letter to Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority,

761
01:01:31,460 --> 01:01:35,600
regarding the pending lands transfer application in the Houston area.

762
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,820
The comments should express the borough support for continued economic development.

763
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:48,720
Industrial growth, transportation investment, and job creation opportunities within the

764
01:01:48,720 --> 01:02:02,460
Highlight the point McKenzie and the West is sitting at areas as locations with significant potential for future economic development, industrial activity and infrastructure expansion.

765
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:09,560
I recommend that DNR and ADA consider opportunities to accommodate future industrial

766
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:16,440
transportation logistics, energy, and resource development activities through the use

767
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:22,000
of existing state-owned lands in other areas of the borough, including Point McKenzie and

768
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,600
West's Sit in the area.

769
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,440
Please make a copy of the letters available to the public when submitted.

770
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:44,840
The rationale, the intent of this motion is not to oppose development in Houston, but rather to encourage DNR and data to evaluate how the state-land assets can best support long-term economic development across the borough.

771
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,760
The Assembly supports responsible development and beliefs,

772
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,120
location, such as Point McKenzie, and the West is sitting there.

773
01:02:53,220 --> 01:02:56,580
Area should continue to be considered for future industrial

774
01:02:56,580 --> 01:02:59,080
and economic development opportunities.

775
01:03:02,100 --> 01:03:04,380
Discussion on the motion.

776
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:06,300
Assembly, please.

777
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,480
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

778
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,980
Thank you, Ron, for bringing this forward.

779
01:03:10,700 --> 01:03:14,040
And I don't necessarily disagree with the resolution,

780
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:26,940
But I wish that it would be on the agenda ahead of time, so that the public has an opportunity to come and and talk to us about it before we direct the manager to do anything with that and you brought up another important point.

781
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,200
I was at a port commission meeting this afternoon and I just want to make sure.

782
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:39,480
I mean the port is just now really starting to take off and we have some exciting projects that are coming up and I can't go into detail right now about it.

783
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,980
But I want to make sure that we don't do something that's going to compete with the port and

784
01:03:43,980 --> 01:03:50,980
that may take away from opportunities that we have to develop the port right now.

785
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:59,280
And so I'd like your resolution, but can we get it on the agenda and have a public hearing

786
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,360
so we can get some input from the public before we direct the manager to do something with it and

787
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,220
make sure that we're not doing something that's going to harm what we're trying to do out at the port.

788
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:08,540
Thank you.

789
01:04:08,540 --> 01:04:21,620
We are limited on time as far as our window of commenting for this slant transfer, and that's why I brought this up the way I did.

790
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:28,420
I actually called last Thursday when they had the Zoom to see if they were going to have a meeting in person.

791
01:04:28,420 --> 01:04:43,640
And I explained to the gentleman, DNR, Dan Jenkins, that I think the Burrow's best interest

792
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:50,860
would be out towards Point McKenzie in that area, and you know, that's where we're trying

793
01:04:50,860 --> 01:04:56,120
to develop our industrial area, and I think it would be a good idea to look at that area.

794
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,960
And I think any industrial area coming to that air.

795
01:05:12,110 --> 01:05:29,210
I don't think they're in any hurry. And I don't think it would be harmful to ask them to extend their public comment period so that we have a little bit more time to have our own public comment period here and simply before we direct the manager. Thank you.

796
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:34,820
Does that person know us?

797
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:44,780
I get what you're saying that September 14th is a deadline for public comment, but I think

798
01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:48,160
DNR and ADA would always take comment from the borough.

799
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:54,160
I'm not sure we're in the same category, so don't you think that if we sent them a letter

800
01:05:54,160 --> 01:06:03,980
on the 15th or the 16th, they would consider that it's not like it goes into the public comment file.

801
01:06:03,980 --> 01:06:07,440
It's the borough, the entity that owns the land out here.

802
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,400
Just don't you think they would listen to that?

803
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:14,720
So even if we got it in after the other public comment period.

804
01:06:15,740 --> 01:06:19,300
Well, as far as I know, last Thursday, at that time,

805
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,820
there was like 25, 100 comments, mostly opposing it.

806
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:30,120
And I figured this was a good avenue for them to maybe look at point McKenzie

807
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:37,360
in the Western area and actually maybe focus on that and that would be doing the burrow of

808
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,500
a favor in the long run.

809
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,580
Assembly person Fauma.

810
01:06:44,380 --> 01:06:48,660
So, the European Mayor is that you're understanding that public have spoken and this is

811
01:06:48,660 --> 01:06:51,940
you would like assembly to also put an opinion.

812
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,440
So, we didn't eliminate the public from speaking.

813
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:57,300
They could have spoke directly, correct.

814
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,880
And we're just taking this position, we just need to decide among us if we support us or not.

815
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:07,860
I think what you're out there is alliance with what we want to see and I'll support you on that.

816
01:07:11,060 --> 01:07:13,860
I have a similar person and I always go ahead.

817
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:21,400
Yes, I feel like this is an issue that is of importance to a lot of people in the valley and it's important to the rural.

818
01:07:23,180 --> 01:07:28,920
Yeah, I have my own questions about transferring 20,000 acres to Ada versus giving it to the rural.

819
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:38,580
like um and still having the development on it um and I know the bird was never asked for their opinion

820
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:47,700
so I've been uh you know it's been sitting there waiting for an opinion from the bird but we

821
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:54,720
represent I don't feel like I I guess I agree with a seven-member gamble it feels like um we could

822
01:07:54,720 --> 01:08:02,320
to let the school to the 15th and give the community opportunity to come to the Burrow with their specific input.

823
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:09,740
And still move forward with this on the 15th and the state would support us and listen to us on that.

824
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,940
I think there's objection then to the motion, right?

825
01:08:17,480 --> 01:08:21,240
Is there? Do I have any objection to the motion?

826
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,540
I'd like to offer a secondary minute in a minute.

827
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:39,440
I'd like to put Assemblymember Bernier's resolution on the September 15th agenda for public hearing.

828
01:08:40,660 --> 01:08:41,100
Well, here.

829
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,680
If I could, Assemblymember Gamble, this is not a resolution.

830
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,080
This is a motion to direct the manager.

831
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,680
Okay, I'd like to put the issue on the September delay until September 15th,

832
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:56,400
have a public hearing on the letter directing the manager.

833
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,480
Assembly person follow-up?

834
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:02,480
Do we ever have a public hearing

835
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:05,220
for the direction to the mayor clerk?

836
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,760
Because I don't remember where we did that.

837
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,620
We just sat upon ourselves.

838
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,960
Through the mayor to Assemblymember Fawnoff,

839
01:09:13,140 --> 01:09:14,460
we do have audience participation.

840
01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:15,660
Yeah.

841
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,560
But not separate public hearing, correct?

842
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:19,800
Generally, no, that takes introduction in public hearing.

843
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:19,980
Okay.

844
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:20,380
Thank you.

845
01:09:21,580 --> 01:09:27,020
So there won't be time for a formal public hearing, but during the audience, but the

846
01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:31,600
special people can still participate today, even if they choose to write them.

847
01:09:33,330 --> 01:09:41,110
So now the discussion is on the motion to postpone until September 15th,

848
01:09:43,570 --> 01:09:44,350
is your objection

849
01:09:44,350 --> 01:09:45,330
to them?

850
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:45,610
Okay.

851
01:09:45,790 --> 01:09:46,510
There is objection.

852
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:47,670
So man, quick.

853
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:50,470
If I can get the members to vote on postponement,

854
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,600
and a mayor, it is failed with Assembly

855
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,800
remember, gamble in hours and support.

856
01:10:00,110 --> 01:10:05,810
And I will back to the main motion. Is there a objection to the main motion?

857
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:09,480
We do have a objection.

858
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:12,800
I can get the members to go ahead and vote on the main motion.

859
01:10:18,710 --> 01:10:20,750
Then, remember, Mickey, you're voting on the main motion.

860
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,880
Your mic is not on assembly member, Mickey.

861
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:29,260
I'm sorry. Hold on, just second, where was I?

862
01:10:32,380 --> 01:10:34,260
Would you restate the main motion?

863
01:10:37,210 --> 01:10:40,310
Basically, we're asking Mike to write a letter.

864
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:43,330
Do you want me to read it into the record?

865
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:44,090
No, no, no.

866
01:10:47,290 --> 01:10:51,010
Madam Mayor, it has passed with Assembly Member Gamble opposed.

867
01:10:54,140 --> 01:10:54,340
Ready?

868
01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:01,220
So we are back to where I have three years, two before.

869
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:03,860
Citizens and other correspondents.

870
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:10,000
Are there any comments from the Assembly on the citizens and other correspondents?

871
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,660
Yeah, it's a similar person, Fauna.

872
01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:13,120
Not related to it.

873
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,320
I guess somewhat related.

874
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:19,060
I was expecting seeing a troopers here that will get time

875
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:22,400
to ask them questions before they is that something

876
01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:26,020
you allow for us, maybe after we conclude this chapter,

877
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,760
or to see if we could have a discussion with them.

878
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:30,860
If not, that's okay too.

879
01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:33,840
But I don't think all of us got the questions in

880
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,180
because it was kind of related to the post.

881
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,960
So other discussion outside just would be nasty of them.

882
01:11:41,260 --> 01:11:43,820
So I think with them being here, I would appreciate it.

883
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,080
We had an opportunity to discuss not

884
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,540
where it till they leave.

885
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,420
That would be my request.

886
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:58,870
I thought that under managers report,

887
01:11:59,050 --> 01:12:00,530
there would be time for that.

888
01:12:00,890 --> 01:12:02,770
But I guess it was issued specifically

889
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:05,230
and once we really went to the following thing,

890
01:12:05,550 --> 01:12:06,250
we didn't get that.

891
01:12:06,250 --> 01:12:09,130
So I don't know if we have an option to return to that.

892
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:11,330
That was my only question.

893
01:12:12,050 --> 01:12:19,410
I would make a request to make the changes to amendment, but assuming it didn't manage

894
01:12:19,410 --> 01:12:28,630
it can put in here's two cents in where we could fit that in in a near future on this agenda.

895
01:12:29,310 --> 01:12:30,010
Madam Mayor.

896
01:12:30,030 --> 01:12:33,070
I don't think I understand the person's subner.

897
01:12:33,330 --> 01:12:39,430
I would like to move to amend the agenda to add a question and answer period with the

898
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:45,380
I believe that's what he's trying to do.

899
01:12:45,860 --> 01:12:51,620
Well, I mean, when after the manager is gently done with his report,

900
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:58,300
it's been pretty common for assembly people to give the manager direction,

901
01:12:58,740 --> 01:13:03,100
and then for the assembly to either concur or not to concur.

902
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:05,940
So I believe that's what happened.

903
01:13:05,940 --> 01:13:11,280
but fall off you, assembly person fall off you don't believe that's what happened.

904
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:19,260
I, I, I, yes, please help to understand a lot. I, I'm not, what, what we discussed

905
01:13:19,260 --> 01:13:23,460
was specifically the, the building and proposal of that, and I, when I, when I see

906
01:13:23,460 --> 01:13:27,180
the tripers here, I thought we'll, we'll get chance to ask them questions that are related

907
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:30,920
to just, they're staffing and that kind of stuff, and I would like to have an opportunity

908
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,140
to do that if possible.

909
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,760
And you didn't want to do that before you voted on the motion?

910
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:42,960
No, no, motion still stands as it says, this is not related to motion at all.

911
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:49,100
We're going to put a order, is that my motion being recognized or not?

912
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:52,480
She's trying to understand what the assembly member found out with that.

913
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,500
I'm not understanding what he's saying.

914
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:58,340
Okay, I want to have a question and answer for assembly to be able to ask

915
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:02,520
Troopers questions, if I may.

916
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:07,320
That's about the motion or just general information.

917
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,880
Just general questions that we have, because we last seen them a while, several months back.

918
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,440
That's what they were up here, and you didn't ask your question?

919
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,540
I did not, because at that time, the discussion was specifically, but in this hours, called

920
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:27,840
them to a front, without us consencing it out, but I figured that was specifically for the building

921
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:28,340
related.

922
01:14:29,140 --> 01:14:33,000
And that's still, I'm not trying to change any of that.

923
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:42,440
I'm just saying other other questions that are not related to building is what I would have liked to ask them questions, but at that time the discussion was strictly about the building.

924
01:14:46,710 --> 01:14:52,610
Well, it's not something that there's a decision this evening, right?

925
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:55,450
So, assembly person bowls.

926
01:14:55,810 --> 01:14:59,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I was just going to make a point of order that we've already set the agenda.

927
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,000
Here it is already passed, and we've moved on.

928
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,300
Okay. Here is a motion for Madame Mayor.

929
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:12,530
The motion on the floor is assembly members, I'm nearing to amend the agenda to add discussion with the

930
01:15:12,530 --> 01:15:12,850
traverse.

931
01:15:15,380 --> 01:15:16,060
Hey, any discussion?

932
01:15:18,020 --> 01:15:18,820
We're going to motion.

933
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,420
Is there a objection to the motion?

934
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,560
I just want to point out this takes five votes to pass.

935
01:15:27,620 --> 01:15:30,000
I can get the members in the room to go ahead and vote.

936
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,720
Madam Mayor, it has one, two, three, four, five.

937
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:39,380
It has passed so the Assembly Member Bulls and now is opposed.

938
01:15:44,570 --> 01:15:49,030
And so Assemblyperson Sumner, when did you want to play set on the agenda?

939
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:50,750
I think it's right now, Madam Mayor.

940
01:15:51,710 --> 01:15:53,010
Right now was my intent, yes.

941
01:15:54,330 --> 01:15:54,590
Okay.

942
01:15:58,200 --> 01:15:59,480
So you're going to ask them a question?

943
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:00,440
I have no questions.

944
01:16:01,660 --> 01:16:03,660
I have no questions.

945
01:16:06,650 --> 01:16:07,990
I'd like to ask the question, please.

946
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:09,150
Okay, true person.

947
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:13,680
We already voted on it, right?

948
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,860
We can ask them to come forward now. Yes, please.

949
01:16:15,980 --> 01:16:19,960
I'll ask them if they, if they desire to come forward, you can do

950
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:24,920
man somebody in the audience to come forward assembly person fall off.

951
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:28,960
Well, I'm asking if they're be able to answer some of the basic questions we had. Please.

952
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:45,410
Good evening. I'm Captain Chen. I'm the current commander for B. Detachment.

953
01:16:46,190 --> 01:16:47,870
I understand that you have a question.

954
01:16:48,250 --> 01:16:51,090
Yeah, last time last time when you were here, you,

955
01:16:51,090 --> 01:16:57,510
The one of the things the vacancies was the big discussion that we had and there was a lot

956
01:16:57,510 --> 01:17:01,090
There were students that were going through a academy not quite enough to fill it

957
01:17:01,090 --> 01:17:07,110
I just wanted to ask where we are currently in the Matsuburo for the staffing and when it's

958
01:17:07,770 --> 01:17:13,210
How many vacancy we have and what's the trajectory of which we're ever going with that on field positions?

959
01:17:15,580 --> 01:17:21,720
So I can start out with the report. We just got this morning for September and this will be statewide and then

960
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,340
I kept in shantalk a little bit specifically to be detachment patrol.

961
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:32,880
So statewide, there are 61 trooper vacancies out of 410 budgeted positions.

962
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:39,760
We have 15 people currently going through the academy down in Sittka, which once they complete

963
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:45,860
the academy, they'll be transferred to either the Matsu Valley, Solbana, or Fairbanks,

964
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,060
and that'll be right around the Thanksgiving timeframe.

965
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:55,860
It's when they'll complete the academy and begin field training and then captain Chan. Can you speak a little bit to your patrol vacancies?

966
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:04,120
Yes, currently for B Detachment we have eight vacancies. However, given that we have a larger group of recruits going for the academy

967
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:16,360
We're going to be receiving at least seven of those recruits that are going to be training here in the massive valley. So potentially the seven recruits that we're going to be filling the eight vacancies up until the time where

968
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:23,820
They graduate from the program during the after program and then potentially start beating out in the two year to your point.

969
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:32,540
So, after completing Academy, there's still a required to have some service in remote areas and things like that,

970
01:18:32,940 --> 01:18:36,380
or those rules have been changed and they are different.

971
01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:41,300
They can go ahead and start right away getting their work hours here.

972
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,180
Yeah, thanks for that.

973
01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:47,440
In the most recent collective bargaining agreement we had with the Public Safety Employees Association,

974
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:53,720
we did make some pretty substantial changes to required moves and how that process works.

975
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:59,260
We still do have a responsibility to serve areas outside of our core three training posts

976
01:18:59,260 --> 01:19:00,440
that we have.

977
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:06,260
However, we're no longer going to be forcing people to make physical moves to these locations.

978
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:11,800
We have a couple of different options for folks that don't want to make the full move,

979
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:18,220
including working on a two-on-two-off thing so they could still reside in the training post

980
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:25,840
area and then work two weeks on in the area where we need them to be working in and then go back

981
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,320
to their families, continue to kind of reside here. We also have another model where we're going to

982
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:36,780
have kind of a cadre of troopers and fair banks and an anchorage that respond out to different

983
01:19:36,780 --> 01:19:44,120
areas for as needed needs of things. It is still the expectation that once you kind of

984
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:50,020
receive training in these more urban areas that you do take those training and skills out

985
01:19:50,020 --> 01:19:56,580
to the more remote areas of the state, which is essentially for us anywhere outside of the

986
01:19:56,580 --> 01:19:59,560
That's who Valley Fairbanks North Star Burrow.

987
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:21,310
We bring folks to train in these areas because of the higher call volume, they get a much greater exposure to much more complicated calls versus sending them directly to a post that might have fewer calls, but they're far more complicated to deal with as I'd answer your question.

988
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:36,090
Yeah, most, is there a lot that are coming close to retirement that are also kind of created a lot of additional vacancies because sounds like a seven out of eight might be failed here soon, but you know, there's a lot of retirement coming up in your future.

989
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:46,350
You know, with the, with your four and the 401k style system that exists now, we're seeing fewer and fewer of our employees,

990
01:20:46,350 --> 01:20:52,430
state-wide that are kind of in that pension bubble. A lot of our command staff is in that pension

991
01:20:52,430 --> 01:20:57,910
bubble where they could retire. Should they choose between, you know, years 20 and 30 is what

992
01:20:57,910 --> 01:21:03,130
we're seeing. But a lot of our troopers, sergeants, and even now a good chunk of our lutenants

993
01:21:03,130 --> 01:21:11,590
are all in that defined contribution plan. So it's a lot harder to gauge retirements because

994
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:16,170
The scheme is different for a tier four versus a tier one through three employee.

995
01:21:17,170 --> 01:21:18,590
Okay, thank you.

996
01:21:19,290 --> 01:21:20,630
Assembly person bowls.

997
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:23,060
No.

998
01:21:24,740 --> 01:21:25,860
Assembly person gamble.

999
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:26,780
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1000
01:21:27,980 --> 01:21:32,140
I just want to thank you guys for the work that you did out in Big Lake and that you're still doing

1001
01:21:32,140 --> 01:21:36,480
over the last four weeks, especially last week, during the cleanup and peaceful place and lazy lakes.

1002
01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:39,080
What you've done out there is just remarkable.

1003
01:21:39,660 --> 01:21:45,900
and it's a credit to force out there, working with the public, working with the burrow,

1004
01:21:46,060 --> 01:21:50,360
Mr. Manager, and all your folks out there too. You did a fantastic job. I've gotten

1005
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:56,400
nothing but praise for you and the feedback that I've gotten from the people in big

1006
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:02,360
lake is they're just excited about what you guys did out there. Thank you very much. One issue

1007
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,120
that I did want to raise with you that we're seeing out there, these kids on these motorcycles,

1008
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:16,100
that are writing on the rear tire, going down the middle of the big lake road, and Beaver Lake Road almost causing, you know, major accidents.

1009
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,460
I'm surprised that none of them have gotten really seriously hurt yet, and it's not just the motorcycles, it's the four wheelers too.

1010
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:31,640
And they've moved off the bike trails now, and they're on the main roads, and I don't know if you've received a lot of complaints about that and what you think you may be able to do to stop that.

1011
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:36,800
We did receive some complaints about that, especially just last week, I had actually talked

1012
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:41,040
a few of my sergeants to ensure that we would get some trooper presence out there

1013
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:41,840
in the big light area.

1014
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:47,900
Whenever a call volume allows us to do so, we understand that it is an ongoing problem and

1015
01:22:47,900 --> 01:22:48,980
it is just going to continue.

1016
01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:54,580
And, you know, not that you brought it up, it's just not just really isolated to the massive

1017
01:22:54,580 --> 01:22:54,960
area.

1018
01:22:55,060 --> 01:23:01,300
It's really a state white challenge right now because you have a lot more of those

1019
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:07,240
electric bites, there are people running on the bicycle path and stuff like that.

1020
01:23:08,180 --> 01:23:13,800
So we are trying to address this statewide and we'll definitely make sure that we have

1021
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,460
a presence out in a big area to do some of these reinforcements.

1022
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,320
Thank you for everything that you do.

1023
01:23:20,420 --> 01:23:21,360
Thank you for your service.

1024
01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:25,510
Assembly and Assembly.

1025
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:30,170
Thank you very much for indulging the additional questions.

1026
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:30,990
I appreciate it.

1027
01:23:30,990 --> 01:23:37,610
I don't think anyone's intended back in you up here, but thanks for the impromptu question answers.

1028
01:23:38,230 --> 01:23:40,630
You have age parameters for the academy.

1029
01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:47,520
Thank you.

1030
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:52,700
Thank you, gentlemen. Very much for flowing with unusual requests.

1031
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:56,280
But I'm sure you get many of them all the time. Thank you.

1032
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:11,440
So I don't know if I ever did fully get any comments on citizens and other correspondents.

1033
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:17,080
I think this is a third time, but let me share a similar person, Minky.

1034
01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:20,380
Yeah, I'm not sure whether this is appropriate place for it.

1035
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:28,740
But can you can I address some correspondence from a member of the Bureau as far as the animal control, not in specifics, but just can I

1036
01:24:28,740 --> 01:24:30,380
or assembly comments at the end.

1037
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:31,880
All right, I'll do that next.

1038
01:24:34,060 --> 01:24:39,380
Alrighty, so there are no informational memorandums

1039
01:24:40,460 --> 01:24:44,440
and so we are now at public audience participation.

1040
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,460
We do have a sign-up sheet, so we will call the names

1041
01:24:49,460 --> 01:24:53,300
of those people and then we'll open it up to anybody

1042
01:24:53,300 --> 01:24:55,880
that's here as well as online.

1043
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:57,520
Jackie, you're first.

1044
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:57,980
.

1045
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:25,600
Good evening, Madam Mayor, and assembly. My name is Jackie Goforth. The packet I'm giving you tonight, opening page, our pictures that I took, before I went to the community development department, because I do not trust the community development department and neither should you.

1046
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:33,960
And the reason I state that is, please turn the page to the first thing in your packet. These are legal documents I want you to look at them please.

1047
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,980
When you first set up the LCAC, it was set up that when a child would book was challenged,

1048
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:45,460
it would be put in a queue and then the LCAC would choose which one to pull out of the queue

1049
01:25:45,460 --> 01:25:45,980
to read.

1050
01:25:46,580 --> 01:25:53,540
Okay, well, in August 12th of 2025 that got changed without anyone knowing.

1051
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:58,260
And what it says now is, the community development department will notify the LCAC chair

1052
01:25:58,260 --> 01:26:00,280
and they'll add the item to the next agenda.

1053
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:05,220
But next, if it's accepted, the item goes into the review queue.

1054
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,560
That's not how you wrote it.

1055
01:26:08,620 --> 01:26:11,180
This is the small step to get to the next one, by the way.

1056
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:12,440
That is a subversion.

1057
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,840
This is why I say you have a malicious compliance problem going on.

1058
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:24,280
The next thing that happened was, this policy got changed again three months ago while the board,

1059
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,540
the library board was on summer vacation.

1060
01:26:26,540 --> 01:26:28,900
And look what it says now, are you ready?

1061
01:26:30,220 --> 01:26:38,380
The Community and Development Department will notify the Library Board Chair the Chair May at the book to the agenda at a future agenda.

1062
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:40,220
The next ones even worse.

1063
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:44,560
The Library Board May choose to review the material and provide an advisory note.

1064
01:26:44,860 --> 01:26:55,180
And this was used at the last Library Board meeting for the Parks Recreation and Libraries Man to say that if they didn't pick this review up, it would die on the vine.

1065
01:26:57,890 --> 01:27:02,910
was that the intent of your LCAC was to just let this go away if they decide not to review it?

1066
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:07,090
So who on earth would have the authority to change this policy?

1067
01:27:07,170 --> 01:27:10,290
I think you need to look no further than the signature on the bottom of that page.

1068
01:27:11,130 --> 01:27:14,330
Next you will see that you have the library board person,

1069
01:27:15,210 --> 01:27:22,050
telling the library board that a challenge you have to talk to a librarian first.

1070
01:27:22,830 --> 01:27:24,070
No, it's not in the agenda.

1071
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:26,610
How does he not know what the new policy says?

1072
01:27:26,970 --> 01:27:27,650
And I tried.

1073
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:30,130
Next, of course, is what I'm telling you

1074
01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:32,610
when I told you that the friends, the friends are

1075
01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:35,570
a activist arm of the socialist Democrat party.

1076
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:38,850
And they are requiring that we provide the staff taxpayers,

1077
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:41,850
staff support to push this agenda in every library,

1078
01:27:42,130 --> 01:27:43,550
and room to put all of their data.

1079
01:27:43,730 --> 01:27:45,630
But the real reason I'm here is the red tab.

1080
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:48,290
Last time we had a library board meeting,

1081
01:27:48,570 --> 01:27:52,530
you had a board member speak about how it is a hostile environment

1082
01:27:52,530 --> 01:27:54,710
and they are being assaulted online.

1083
01:27:56,350 --> 01:27:57,730
And it is from the Taukitna.

1084
01:27:58,190 --> 01:28:02,650
Now the friends group is now going to send out a message to all of their synchophants to

1085
01:28:02,650 --> 01:28:08,070
show up at that Taukitna meeting next Tuesday at 1 o'clock in order to verbally harass and

1086
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:10,790
her ring and reboot your library board members again.

1087
01:28:11,090 --> 01:28:14,610
And that is a very, that is a hostile environment that is being created.

1088
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:22,310
Please, please, if you can beat at the Taukitna Library Board meeting next week at 1 o'clock.

1089
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:35,030
to see how this works, and to see what I'm talking about, I would appreciate it, because this is what's called malicious compliance in order to make it, so your LCAC challenge thing, the public will not have any say.

1090
01:28:35,950 --> 01:28:36,630
Okay, Jack.

1091
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:38,230
Thank you.

1092
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:41,160
Rod.

1093
01:28:52,620 --> 01:28:53,900
Good evening, everybody.

1094
01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:57,440
Rod Hanson with the North Lakes Community Council.

1095
01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:03,800
So, in a couple of weeks, you will decide on the route for this new connection between

1096
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:09,060
inkstrom and trunk and public works as you heard is recommending more than route

1097
01:29:09,060 --> 01:29:10,840
one as a major collector.

1098
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:17,700
The Burrough Zone, North Lakes Community Council, Fisher Community Council, Road Service

1099
01:29:17,700 --> 01:29:23,800
Area 25 Board, and the Planning Commission respectfully disagree with that recommendation

1100
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,940
from public works.

1101
01:29:24,940 --> 01:29:33,840
We are all strongly recommending that you choose the Southern route as a minor collector as presented to the voters in the tip 21 long package.

1102
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:42,640
In the packet for your September 15th meeting, we will provide suggested language for an assembly resolution that supports the Southern route.

1103
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:54,920
And we're hoping that one or more of you would sponsor that as an alternative so that you're debate next week or in two weeks can kind of consider both options.

1104
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,960
North Lakes and Fisherup Community Council submitted a really detailed resolution too.

1105
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,560
The Planning Commission recommending that southern round and laying out our reasons why, please look at it, it's in your packets and take the time to review it, you know, outlines the history and why we think the best decision right now is the southern round.

1106
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:22,060
Our highest priority is community safety, the section of regard between trunk and angstrom and the angstrom intersection, experience the highest traffic volume in our community.

1107
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,540
DOT improvements on Bokard, and a new roundabout does not reduce this traffic.

1108
01:30:29,460 --> 01:30:35,020
The route selection report looked at traffic forecast for 2050, and the analysis actually

1109
01:30:35,020 --> 01:30:39,320
shows less traffic on angstrom if the Southern route is built versus the Northern

1110
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:39,880
Route.

1111
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:45,940
Without the Southern route, and with central gravel starting there 30-year operation, we must

1112
01:30:45,940 --> 01:30:47,700
also accommodate all the gravel trucks.

1113
01:30:47,700 --> 01:30:56,500
The southern route provides an alternative connection to angstrom and improved safety by removing those trucks from the equation.

1114
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:58,900
The northern route does not.

1115
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,820
We're also concerned about the financial impact of rural taxpayers.

1116
01:31:03,180 --> 01:31:10,300
So the borough costs estimate for the southern route as you saw is 9.1 million compared to 21.6 for the northern route.

1117
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,360
And the state DOT actually estimates northern route one at over 30 million.

1118
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:19,040
That's anywhere from two and a half to three and a half times the cost if you choose the northern route.

1119
01:31:19,740 --> 01:31:25,360
As community councils, we also stand for rights of private property owners, the northern route,

1120
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:31,480
touch through areas of undeveloped homestead and egg property, these property owners have strongly objected to providing right away

1121
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:34,360
and they will fight hard to keep their family properties whole.

1122
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:40,080
To be clear, we are advocating on behalf of our community, not on behalf of the gravel pit operator.

1123
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:45,420
They are willing to provide right away, they're willing to contribute their time, their labor,

1124
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,640
their gravel, to help bring down the cost on the southern route, speed up the process,

1125
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,760
and address safety concerns on Bogart and angstrom.

1126
01:31:54,480 --> 01:32:01,000
The community needs, community needs must always take precedence over a particular business

1127
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:01,760
or a developer.

1128
01:32:02,820 --> 01:32:06,180
When you make a decision on which route to pursue, please consider our priorities,

1129
01:32:06,180 --> 01:32:12,380
transportation safety, financial stewardship of our tax dollars, and respect for private property owner rights.

1130
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,240
A northern route makes sense in the future.

1131
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,900
The right decision at this time is a southern route.

1132
01:32:18,100 --> 01:32:19,180
Thank you.

1133
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:21,440
Okay.

1134
01:32:21,820 --> 01:32:21,900
Tom?

1135
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:28,080
We're going to try to get it.

1136
01:32:28,460 --> 01:32:28,760
Thank you.

1137
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:29,900
Wait a minute.

1138
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,940
We're just going to get over there.

1139
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:47,640
Thank you, my name is Tom Robertson, and I'm really glad to hear the public support for our public safety.

1140
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:55,340
I thought that was really impressive tonight to get to all gone now, but anyways, and by definition of public safety,

1141
01:32:55,340 --> 01:33:06,920
They make the public safe, and it's our obligation to help them so they can do their job and continue making the public safe as possible.

1142
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:18,660
And one aspect that I keep coming back for, I would like to have the fire station at number 31, there's being built right now in March Road.

1143
01:33:18,660 --> 01:33:32,880
And they're asking for the Governor, a letter to the Governor's support, asking for a driveway to come from the new fire station to the highway, the Glenn Highway, and mile 49 there.

1144
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:43,000
Right across from the Palmer Pentecostal Church, a driveway into the new fire station on alternate for a safety issue.

1145
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:54,120
Right now, currently, the plans are for everything to come off March Road, which has a lot of problems there being a blind intersection on a blind hill.

1146
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,780
There's a lot of accidents right there.

1147
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:00,040
Fire departments need alternate route.

1148
01:34:00,220 --> 01:34:04,900
Wherever they go, they always have to have an alternative backup, whatever they're doing.

1149
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:14,040
And this extra driveway will help them prevent accidents and speed up their response time.

1150
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:16,280
So I strongly ask that.

1151
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:22,060
I presented a letter of support to the mayor and I would like that to be signed and passed

1152
01:34:22,060 --> 01:34:29,120
on to the governor so we can help the public safety do their job and help make the public

1153
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:37,340
you say it's possible. Hey, great. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you sir.

1154
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:42,100
Well, I ought to stand up and forget to answer through to my think minutes is up.

1155
01:34:42,100 --> 01:34:43,380
Come on.

1156
01:34:43,900 --> 01:34:44,840
Thank you.

1157
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:47,160
Sure and Johnson.

1158
01:34:58,370 --> 01:34:59,970
Good evening, may you end this up.

1159
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:15,880
Members, my name is Sharon Johnson and I live off Bogart Road. I am a frequent traveler through the Bogart Inkstrom intersection and how many of us tonight were fortunate enough to make it here through that intersection without a heart-stopping experience.

1160
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:25,700
How many on the assembly and here in the audience have had those last second smashing on the brakes, somebody pulling out in front of you. How many have come so close?

1161
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:33,500
Particularly in the morning, between seven and eight AM, the bus drivers who get that experience with a bus load of students.

1162
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:37,500
I am here in support of the Southern Connector from Engstrom to Trunk.

1163
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:45,320
Central grab-up products have given their support, residents, and daily drivers support something to relieve this intersection.

1164
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:53,060
Well, I look at a connector that is potentially three times more at the price tag and landowners

1165
01:35:53,060 --> 01:35:57,180
who are vehemently opposed to selling their land for a northern route.

1166
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:02,920
The roundabout at Bogartangstrom is still not heading into construction due to land acquisition.

1167
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:04,700
Another season away?

1168
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:11,120
I believe working together, the borough could make the southern connector happen sooner than later

1169
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:12,920
as opposed to the northern route.

1170
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,360
Plus, I'll work together to make something happen

1171
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:19,200
and relieve the bogard angstrom intersection, hazardous

1172
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,040
experience a thing of the past.

1173
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:22,900
Thank you.

1174
01:36:23,460 --> 01:36:24,020
Mm-hmm.

1175
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,740
Now, that's everybody that signed up.

1176
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,200
Uh, they had so open to anybody that would like to address

1177
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:36,280
the assembly on any subject, whether it's on the agenda

1178
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,720
or not.

1179
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:39,080
One representative.

1180
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:39,680
Yeah,

1181
01:36:49,540 --> 01:36:58,140
I had Jesse Sumner, I came to talk about AM26-125, I think I had talked to you guys

1182
01:36:58,140 --> 01:37:06,580
before about building your empire down the landfill and I know this is kind of late, I got

1183
01:37:06,580 --> 01:37:15,760
no beef at this contractor but almost $5.5 million to build another palace on garbage. We are

1184
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:24,960
Overcomplicating things down there, the new tipping floor scale set up as a disaster, it really

1185
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,800
is very simple.

1186
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:30,760
You dig holes, you put garbage in them, you cover them up, maybe someday down the road,

1187
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:36,880
you put a baseball field on top of it, but we are wasting huge amounts of money down here.

1188
01:37:37,420 --> 01:37:42,040
You should not approve this, you should not be building any more palaces on garbage.

1189
01:37:42,980 --> 01:37:56,920
But also since some here, I'll address we went to the ballot for the bond proposal with that southern route and I think it'd be kind of disingenuous to switch that now.

1190
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:58,300
So thank you.

1191
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,660
Next person, please.

1192
01:38:18,380 --> 01:38:19,600
Good evening Madam Mayor.

1193
01:38:20,220 --> 01:38:21,160
And Burrow Assembly members.

1194
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:26,920
My name is Carly Shrek and I'm a resident and homeowner in the Crimson View neighborhood and a former valley based reporter.

1195
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:33,480
I'm no longer a porter, which means I'm not here to ask you questions instead, I'm here as a constituent to ask for your support.

1196
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:37,360
The Heavenly Meadows Crimson New Project was undertaken by the Burrow.

1197
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:43,600
We understood that roads need to be maintained and we understood that public infrastructure projects come with some disruption.

1198
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:54,920
What we did not anticipate was that in the midst of that disruption, the Burrow would ask would come back to the homeowner and ask that we signed an agreement protecting you from liability before you will finish the work.

1199
01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:58,240
I think that deserves a little bit of scrutiny.

1200
01:38:59,180 --> 01:39:01,980
The work at issue occurred within the road right away and easements.

1201
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:06,140
So I would like the borough to clearly explain to the public what the legal basis for

1202
01:39:06,140 --> 01:39:10,940
asking individual homeowners to assume liability for work the borough is conducting in

1203
01:39:10,940 --> 01:39:14,200
an area where the borough already has the right to perform work.

1204
01:39:14,780 --> 01:39:18,880
And if the easement is held by a utility provider, why is the homeowner being asked to

1205
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:23,300
assume risk associated with an easement in which the homeowner does not hold utility interest?

1206
01:39:23,300 --> 01:39:30,180
The homeowner should not become the easiest party to hand the liability to simply because we're the people living next to the project.

1207
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,000
Now let's talk about the damage that has already occurred.

1208
01:39:33,460 --> 01:39:37,440
Our trees are being lost because of root damage associated with this construction.

1209
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:40,200
Trees that we were told last fall would not be affected.

1210
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:45,540
I understand that a tree growing near the right away doesn't mean the borough has no authority to work there,

1211
01:39:45,820 --> 01:39:51,700
but authority to perform a project is not the same thing as an obligation to disregard the consequences of that project.

1212
01:39:51,700 --> 01:39:56,860
So I'm asking the borough for three things. First, do not require individual homeowners to sign

1213
01:39:56,860 --> 01:39:59,620
away their liability as a condition of completing the project.

1214
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:11,660
Resolve the appropriate liability and access issues with the parties who hold the relevant interests in the easement. Second, conduct and assessment of trees damaged by the construction using a tracks certified arborist.

1215
01:40:12,620 --> 01:40:20,340
And third, establish a one for one replacement for trees removed as a direct result of the project. If the borough removes a tree, the borough should plant a tree.

1216
01:40:21,300 --> 01:40:28,400
And for the mature trees that cannot reasonably be replaced with an equivalent tree, there should be a meaningful mitigation plan for this kind of work moving forward.

1217
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:34,580
So another neighborhood doesn't have to go through what we currently are because here's the larger issue

1218
01:40:34,580 --> 01:40:40,900
The borough has the power to undertake projects like this home owners do not have the power to tell the borough

1219
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:42,340
Do not come into our neighborhood

1220
01:40:42,340 --> 01:40:48,540
So when the government exercises that authority there is an obligation to exercise it responsibly

1221
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:57,900
I did not ask for this project. We didn't choose the disruption or the damage and we certainly shouldn't be asked to accept additional liability for the privilege of having the borough

1222
01:40:57,900 --> 01:41:03,580
finish what the borough started. I'm not asking the borough to undo this project. I'm asking

1223
01:41:03,580 --> 01:41:07,300
the borough to own the consequences of it. Thank you for your time. I genuinely appreciate

1224
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:08,420
your service.

1225
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:10,800
Anyone else?

1226
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,460
Okay. All righty. Go ahead, who's first on line, please?

1227
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:30,960
I hope my name is Greg Sent, F-I-N-D-T. I'm here to talk about the rope selection for the

1228
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:38,180
of a trunk connector. About one and a half miles of this route passes through land that is owned

1229
01:41:38,180 --> 01:41:44,880
by my wife's family. We are the most impacted property owner on this project. I encourage you to

1230
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:52,280
please read the letter that will be submitting as part of your packet for the next meeting. It will

1231
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:59,060
include our comments, our opinions, and also some, I think, good technical information on this decision.

1232
01:41:59,060 --> 01:42:05,900
We support the cell for out, and we are not willing to sell right of way for the northern

1233
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:06,580
route.

1234
01:42:07,340 --> 01:42:07,740
Thanks, Edvin.

1235
01:42:07,880 --> 01:42:09,320
For your attention to this.

1236
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:29,760
My name is Michelle Steven, the vice president of the Alaska Outdoor Council, and I'm speaking

1237
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:37,040
today on behalf of our more than 4,000 members, the Alaska Outdoor Council respectfully asked

1238
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:42,580
assembly not to recommend the proposed conveyance of married 20,000 acres of state land

1239
01:42:42,580 --> 01:42:48,200
AEDA. Alaska law gives a very good reason to be cautious before giving up this much public

1240
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:56,200
land. Article 8, Section 1 of the Alaska Constitution says state land and resources are to be made

1241
01:42:56,200 --> 01:43:04,180
available for maximum use consistent with the public interest. Article 8, Section 2 goes even further,

1242
01:43:04,180 --> 01:43:09,020
it requires the state's natural resources including its lands and water to be managed for the

1243
01:43:09,020 --> 01:43:15,300
maximum benefit of its people. The legislature specifically addressed the value of keeping the

1244
01:43:15,300 --> 01:43:23,520
state land in public ownership. Alaska statute 30804 or 15 in his title public interest in retaining

1245
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:29,240
state land and public ownership. The state statute recognizes the importance of retaining

1246
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,200
state lands for the beneficial use, including

1247
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:35,880
hunting, and fishing, hiking, snowmobile,

1248
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:40,020
skiing, and other activities that can generally be made available

1249
01:43:40,020 --> 01:43:44,220
to more people when the lands remain in public ownership.

1250
01:43:44,980 --> 01:43:47,840
This describes exactly why these lands are precious to the

1251
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,500
last month in the AOC members.

1252
01:43:50,180 --> 01:43:53,800
This area includes established trails and access routes used for

1253
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,200
recreation, hunting, fishing, snowmobile, and access to the lands

1254
01:43:57,200 --> 01:44:02,980
be on them. Some of these trails are recognized and supported by the Matt Sue Burl. The

1255
01:44:02,980 --> 01:44:08,280
public has spoken more than 2,000 letters of opposition have been submitted to the state

1256
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:15,220
concerning this conveyance. ALC is not opposed to reasonable economic development. We are

1257
01:44:15,220 --> 01:44:20,980
saying this is the wrong place in nearly 20,000 acres of the wrong scale. That data has actual

1258
01:44:20,980 --> 01:44:28,380
need for state land, consider smaller conveyance, or as needed basis, with enforceable stipulations,

1259
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,540
protections for public access and a clear-air plan of operations.

1260
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:38,300
The conveyance should also include a reversion clause, rather than waving the important

1261
01:44:38,300 --> 01:44:44,060
protection. Once these precious lands leave state ownership, we give up protection that exists

1262
01:44:44,060 --> 01:44:50,320
today for the benefits of all people. I'd also like to comment on Oregon's 26th,

1263
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:55,860
of my innate from the Alaska Snow Machine Alliance, we totally support the Lake Louise transfer

1264
01:44:55,860 --> 01:44:59,440
building into Lake Louise and on another note.

1265
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:20,320
For the Petersville Community Non-Cathets, I do search and rescue in the area and we work with the state troopers and we are definitely supportive of 26-136 for the Alaska state troopers. And one last thing, I would like to say, keep our precious lands in state hands. Thank you. Happy trails.

1266
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,220
Okay. The next person online please.

1267
01:45:26,660 --> 01:45:36,220
Hello. Yes. Go ahead. You can hear me? Yeah. Yeah. My name is Patricia Fisher. Hello. Yeah.

1268
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:41,140
Somebody either has an just a minute, Patty. Somebody.

1269
01:45:42,220 --> 01:45:48,300
Patty, can you turn off your TV or your radio or your computer? We hear that just as much as we hear you.

1270
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:18,280
Okay, I'm speaking in opposition to Mr. Bernier's proposed motion requesting the manager to support the transfer of 20,000 acres in the Houston area to AIDEA proposing this motion at this time as a violation of public policy.

1271
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:24,620
in my opinion. The motion has not been adequately given notice and should not be discussed at

1272
01:46:24,620 --> 01:46:30,640
this time. During the last few months, there has been obviously a huge outcry against the

1273
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:37,980
slant transfer to Ada and the establishment of data centers. Mr. Bernier's motion has not been

1274
01:46:37,980 --> 01:46:45,780
brought forward in adequate time to be on the posted agenda. It is an insult slap in the face of

1275
01:46:45,780 --> 01:46:51,440
residents of the Matsu, so they are not to be allowed to be heard on this motion, motion.

1276
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,300
Unfortunately, this practice seems to be routine with this assembly.

1277
01:46:55,780 --> 01:47:01,880
And I point out the repeated motion to put a gun range on zero leg, much to the opposition of residents,

1278
01:47:02,460 --> 01:47:08,960
and repeated motion to push motions on gravel through an opposition to public and community councils.

1279
01:47:11,700 --> 01:47:20,220
So being limited on time, as Mr. Bernier stated, is no excuse for ramming this motion down

1280
01:47:20,220 --> 01:47:21,560
the residents' roads.

1281
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:26,060
This late proposal is a case of very poor planning.

1282
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:31,140
If it were critical, then it should have been proposed much earlier, and this has been going

1283
01:47:31,140 --> 01:47:32,440
on for at least two months.

1284
01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:38,940
You are simply members are representatives of the residents, not here to impose your own

1285
01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:50,520
I respectfully request that you propose this postpone this motion to a light later date to allow residents to be aware of the opportunity to comment.

1286
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:52,700
Thank you.

1287
01:47:54,420 --> 01:47:55,140
Thank you.

1288
01:47:55,540 --> 01:47:57,700
Who's next online please?

1289
01:47:57,700 --> 01:47:58,720
Yeah,

1290
01:48:00,750 --> 01:48:10,230
I have Steve Edwards, so I am adding my opposition to the land transfer recommendation

1291
01:48:10,230 --> 01:48:16,530
by the borough, the boroughs represent the people, and there's been quite a few people

1292
01:48:16,530 --> 01:48:20,950
showed their opposition to this transfer,

1293
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:25,090
and so I would hope that the boroughs position

1294
01:48:25,090 --> 01:48:27,490
or be their neutral or

1295
01:48:32,130 --> 01:48:38,230
to support it in the face of all this opposition seems counter-productive

1296
01:48:38,230 --> 01:48:39,190
as representatives.

1297
01:48:42,260 --> 01:48:50,080
We personally wouldn't find some development areas up there, that they need to be transferred

1298
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:55,640
from the state to the rural and the rural manage them using a public process.

1299
01:48:55,640 --> 01:49:03,160
Aida has an absolute abysmal record, and should not have anything to do with land transfers.

1300
01:49:10,670 --> 01:49:17,530
I'm opposed to the land transfer to Aida, and if you want to support development in the area,

1301
01:49:18,170 --> 01:49:24,730
that might be something we could talk about. Once it goes into Aida's hands, it's a private ownership.

1302
01:49:24,730 --> 01:49:28,790
and they can build anything you want with no public process,

1303
01:49:29,710 --> 01:49:33,570
but the exception of the four things that require additional permits tower

1304
01:49:40,780 --> 01:49:41,300
junkyards.

1305
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:46,280
But the exception of those things, once it's in the eightest hands, they can do anything

1306
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:48,380
with absolutely no

1307
01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:52,790
publics keep it away from ADA.

1308
01:49:53,450 --> 01:49:55,590
After about maybe getting some of it for the borough,

1309
01:49:58,730 --> 01:49:59,950
much more careful about this.

1310
01:50:00,690 --> 01:50:04,550
We're going here. That's all I have. Thank you.

1311
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:10,770
Thank you. Do we have anybody else? Okay. Go ahead. Who's ever next online?

1312
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:20,730
Good evening, Matthew Assembly. Can you hear me? Yes. Go ahead.

1313
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:27,070
Perfect. My name is Kennedy Groman. I'm a nurse at work tonight at your school district.

1314
01:50:27,410 --> 01:50:32,350
I want to spend just a couple minutes talking about something that should be at the center of every of our conversations.

1315
01:50:32,970 --> 01:50:36,570
We have about our school, student health and safety.

1316
01:50:37,430 --> 01:50:41,390
When we hear our school nurse, we often think about the health office, the student with the

1317
01:50:41,390 --> 01:50:47,010
stomachache or a scraped knee or needing medication, but school nurse is so much more

1318
01:50:47,010 --> 01:50:49,130
that a person could even in the health office.

1319
01:50:49,890 --> 01:50:54,270
The nurse is part of the school's safety infrastructure, working alongside health aids and

1320
01:50:54,270 --> 01:51:00,090
school staff to make sure students help me to identify, manage, and respond to appropriately.

1321
01:51:00,790 --> 01:51:07,170
We manage students with diabetes, seizures, asthma, severe allergies and other complex medical

1322
01:51:07,170 --> 01:51:08,010
needs.

1323
01:51:08,270 --> 01:51:13,710
We develop health plans, administer medications, respond to emergencies, train staff, train

1324
01:51:13,710 --> 01:51:18,890
health aid, monitor emergency equipment, manage exposures, support educational needs, and prepare

1325
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:21,470
schools to respond when something goes wrong.

1326
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:24,290
And here's the safety issue I want you to consider.

1327
01:51:25,090 --> 01:51:32,010
When nursing capacity is reduced, the workload doesn't disappear, and the risk doesn't

1328
01:51:32,010 --> 01:51:32,630
disappear.

1329
01:51:32,990 --> 01:51:33,670
It moves.

1330
01:51:33,930 --> 01:51:37,810
It can move to the health aids, it can move to the teachers, it can move to the administrators

1331
01:51:37,810 --> 01:51:39,970
and it can move to unlicensed staff.

1332
01:51:41,070 --> 01:51:43,730
But we have to be honest about the difference between these roles.

1333
01:51:44,150 --> 01:51:50,630
The teachers in that educator, a health aid, has a different role, a school nurse brings

1334
01:51:50,630 --> 01:51:54,770
clinical training, assessment, delegation, and health system oversight.

1335
01:51:56,050 --> 01:52:01,390
And in our district, CPR certification is not a mandatory requirement for every school employee.

1336
01:52:02,210 --> 01:52:07,970
And that matters when we are discussing who will be expected to respond during a medical emergency inside our schools.

1337
01:52:09,670 --> 01:52:15,810
We cannot simply assume that because an adult is present in the classroom that a person is a parent to manage that medical emergency.

1338
01:52:16,690 --> 01:52:21,310
So, the question becomes, who is actually trained and repair to respond?

1339
01:52:22,250 --> 01:52:24,150
Who responds when a student has seizure?

1340
01:52:24,850 --> 01:52:27,630
Who recognises the diabetic students' condition is changing?

1341
01:52:28,450 --> 01:52:31,330
And who ensures emergency medications are current and available?

1342
01:52:32,050 --> 01:52:34,430
Who trains and supports those health aids and other staff?

1343
01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:39,210
Who determines what can safely be delegated and provides clinical oversight from medication?

1344
01:52:40,410 --> 01:52:42,990
And who is accountable for making those systems work?

1345
01:52:42,990 --> 01:52:52,430
And when we reduce the nursing capacity, we need to know exactly where those responsibilities are going to go.

1346
01:52:53,230 --> 01:52:54,750
So my call to action is simple.

1347
01:52:55,410 --> 01:53:05,710
I ask the math to assembly to support an independent school by school health safety work load assessment for nursing capacity as before nursing capacity is reduced.

1348
01:53:05,710 --> 01:53:11,770
That assessments should include nurses, health aids, teachers, administrators, and students that they serve.

1349
01:53:12,650 --> 01:53:15,370
It should identify the student medical.

1350
01:53:20,060 --> 01:53:20,880
Thank you for your time.

1351
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:22,960
Thank you.

1352
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:24,980
Next, where's my line please?

1353
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:28,400
Good evening.

1354
01:53:28,660 --> 01:53:29,370
This is Esther Hudelson.

1355
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:37,000
By not having the letter to DNR on an AIDA on the agenda to break the trust from the public.

1356
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:42,180
by following state of Alaska laws on the public process is the only way the government keeps

1357
01:53:42,180 --> 01:53:43,380
the trust with the public.

1358
01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:51,680
I'm speaking out in opposition to 20,000 acres of state of Alaska land in Houston, Alaska being

1359
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,840
transferred to the Alaska industrial development expert authority.

1360
01:53:55,460 --> 01:53:57,600
State of Alaska land belongs to all of Alaska.

1361
01:53:58,100 --> 01:54:04,360
The proposed land has been used for generations for hunting, access to remote areas, and for recreation.

1362
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:09,560
The communities surrounding the state land are in opposition, and it's important for our

1363
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:15,260
representative, Ron Berner, to support his district's concerns, to data center being built

1364
01:54:15,260 --> 01:54:19,720
in the lock of losing land, which has been historically important to the community.

1365
01:54:20,260 --> 01:54:23,720
Data centers use a lot of water and electricity.

1366
01:54:24,380 --> 01:54:28,040
We as a community already struggle for access to electricity and water.

1367
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:33,400
Many people in our community have wood stoves, generators, and have to haul water to their homes.

1368
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:39,300
Well, this data center, cause local businesses and people who do have electricity, competing

1369
01:54:39,300 --> 01:54:44,540
for the use of these resources by having a data center out into our community.

1370
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:52,320
Our increase or the increase of cost for electricity, the land transfer transfer will seize

1371
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:57,440
the quality of life in our community by taking away our recreational opportunity.

1372
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,960
We, as a community, say no to this.

1373
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,540
We hope that you respect the needs in one for the quality of life for our community by saying no and shame on you for violating the public process and not having this on the agenda, because there's a lot of people that are in opposition and aren't having an opportunity to speak out against that letter, that breaks the public trust between the public and the government and shame on you for that. Thank you.

1374
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:35,820
Okay. I have another person online. Go ahead and the next person online, please.

1375
01:55:37,970 --> 01:55:42,550
Yes. My name is Sherry Wresher and the resident of metal lakes. I'm

1376
01:55:42,550 --> 01:55:49,850
want to speak out against any letter from the borough to DNR unless it's

1377
01:55:49,850 --> 01:55:56,770
against transfer of the land. Mr. Benaire, you represent my area,

1378
01:55:56,770 --> 01:56:16,050
Willow Houston, you have residents that follow you from big lake, all those communities have sent letters, asking that that land, not be transferred for all the reasons the previous people have testified.

1379
01:56:16,050 --> 01:56:22,870
These are residents of the borough. They're also residents of the community that you're supposed to

1380
01:56:22,870 --> 01:56:28,130
read present and you're not doing that. Thank you. That's it.

1381
01:56:28,910 --> 01:56:36,770
Okay. Thank you. Anybody else online? No. Okay. One last chance. And for those here that would

1382
01:56:36,770 --> 01:56:39,930
like to address a assembly on any issue.

1383
01:56:45,630 --> 01:56:49,130
And still nobody online. Okay. I want to go close audience

1384
01:56:49,130 --> 01:56:55,390
participation, and then we've had a request for a break, so we'll come back at 815.

1385
01:57:23,120 --> 01:57:30,480
The next item on our agenda is our public hearings, and Madam Clerk, would you please read the legislation into the record?

1386
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:37,180
Ordnance 2696, an ordinance accepting a appropriating 2025 late August storm disaster relief funds,

1387
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:42,740
and the amount of 665,000 from the Alaska State Division of Homeland Security and emergency management

1388
01:57:42,740 --> 01:57:49,920
And to fund 445 Project 550233 with the Camping Resolution 26078, a Resolution of Freedom

1389
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:53,280
and the Scope will work in budget for the refatement and diaper pairs as a result of

1390
01:57:53,280 --> 01:57:59,220
the 2025 late August storm fund 445 Project number 550233, if you're on the final

1391
01:57:59,220 --> 01:58:01,760
late speak to this, press start free.

1392
01:58:02,260 --> 01:58:06,280
Well, when the public hearing, we do not have a sign of the sheet.

1393
01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:19,280
The testimony, at this time, is restricted to ordinance 26-096 and resolution 26-078.

1394
01:58:20,060 --> 01:58:26,000
So anyone that would like to come forth, I needed to testify, I needed that ordinance or resolution.

1395
01:58:28,940 --> 01:58:32,880
We have anybody on, we don't have anybody on one last chance.

1396
01:58:34,420 --> 01:58:38,900
Okay, I'll close public hearing and deputy mayor.

1397
01:58:39,620 --> 01:58:46,420
I moved to adopt ordinance 26-096 and resolution 26-078.

1398
01:58:47,160 --> 01:58:49,440
Okay, the discussion by the Assembly.

1399
01:58:53,470 --> 01:58:55,510
Is there any objection by the Assembly?

1400
01:58:58,740 --> 01:59:01,260
Hearing none, then the legislation passes.

1401
01:59:01,900 --> 01:59:02,320
Madam Clerk.

1402
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:04,120
Ordnance 26-098.

1403
01:59:04,140 --> 01:59:06,820
It ordinance approving a less than fair market value cell

1404
01:59:06,820 --> 01:59:12,220
the borough on Matthew's public safety building station 15 in the Lake Louise area for 13,

1405
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:18,060
176 dollars to the Louise who's sitting a tie-on community association for a public purpose

1406
01:59:18,060 --> 01:59:21,500
if you're on the phone and would like to speak to this press start free.

1407
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:28,240
I'm going to go ahead and open the public hearing and we do have a sign of sheets,

1408
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:36,320
so I will call those people first. So the public hearing is open for ordinance 26

1409
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:41,640
to dash 0, 9, 8, and Harry hop,

1410
01:59:45,900 --> 01:59:47,140
is that supposed to be hard?

1411
01:59:48,020 --> 01:59:48,940
Hold, hold.

1412
01:59:50,060 --> 01:59:50,720
Sorry, sir.

1413
01:59:51,420 --> 01:59:53,400
Mr. Holt, can you approach the mic?

1414
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:55,100
Could you go ahead and just turn it on?

1415
01:59:55,260 --> 01:59:56,380
And then you can just leave it on.

1416
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:56,960
Thank you, sir.

1417
01:59:57,420 --> 01:59:57,780
Okay.

1418
01:59:58,460 --> 01:59:59,460
My name is Harry Holt.

1419
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:12,140
I've been a long time property owner of Lake Louise area, and I've been a long time president and a member of the board of the Lake Louise, so much in color.

1420
02:00:13,740 --> 02:00:29,140
I'm here to urge you to approve the ordinance 26, 1998. The sale of the Matthews Public Safety Building in the Lake Louise area, and to the Louise, who's sitting at a time community association for the public purpose.

1421
02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:37,260
This transfer keeps an important community asset in the local hands, the LSTCA, will partner

1422
02:00:37,260 --> 02:00:43,100
with the Lake Louise Snow Machine Club to ensure the building continues to serve the public.

1423
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:51,600
Together we will use it to support all of our trail maintenance and emergency access, community

1424
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:55,680
coordination and other practical needs for our community area.

1425
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:00,720
Approving the sale is a practical responsible decision.

1426
02:01:00,720 --> 02:01:08,040
It keeps the billing available for continued public benefit, rather than asking or risking

1427
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:11,920
it falling into the disuse or private hands.

1428
02:01:12,660 --> 02:01:19,380
The LSTCA and the Lake WEE's snow machine club are already just stewarded for the people

1429
02:01:19,380 --> 02:01:22,480
of Lake WEE's to sit in the entire one area.

1430
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:29,840
I respectfully ask you to vote yes and this ordinance in 2016 and I thank you for your time and service.

1431
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:31,700
Thank you.

1432
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:32,440
Peter?

1433
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,100
Madam Mayor, Assembly members, I'm Peter Probasco.

1434
02:01:47,780 --> 02:01:51,480
I currently serve as the President for the Lake Willi's Snow Machine Club,

1435
02:01:51,700 --> 02:01:54,680
and I'm also a member of the Community Association.

1436
02:01:55,800 --> 02:02:00,820
I would like the Burl to recognize that they've already made a great investment

1437
02:02:00,820 --> 02:02:07,800
in this area when they first constructed this building. Unfortunately, in the construction

1438
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:14,460
afterwards, some mistakes were made which resulted in the current condition of the building.

1439
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:22,260
However, it's not lost. We, the, the, the, uh, social, uh, association along with the community,

1440
02:02:23,020 --> 02:02:30,080
formed a committee and on the committee we have some very talented, they do it for a living,

1441
02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:37,200
very large contractors and the building is salvageable. And with that in mind, we would be able

1442
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:44,960
to take this building and maintain it for public benefit. Our club, we groom and maintain

1443
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:50,780
for transportation safety over 300 miles of trail. And then on top of that, you have the

1444
02:02:50,780 --> 02:02:56,700
community association, which definitely wants to look at where we once were, where we had

1445
02:02:56,700 --> 02:03:02,340
safety ambulance, that type of stuff. But we need this type of building and we need to support

1446
02:03:02,340 --> 02:03:07,920
the borough. And I think working together, we can bring this building back. The borough can make

1447
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:13,460
that commitment that they once had to that community area and we can move forward. I'm sorry.

1448
02:03:16,180 --> 02:03:22,640
26098, I ask for your support. Thank you. Thank you. Michael Anderson.

1449
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:23,480
I

1450
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:36,560
have to do more assembly members in matter mayor.

1451
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:37,940
My name is Michael Anderson.

1452
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:40,480
I am the vice president of the Ike Police

1453
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:43,900
and I'm machine clubbed in a property owner there

1454
02:03:43,900 --> 02:03:45,700
for about four years.

1455
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:49,820
When this original building was built,

1456
02:03:50,980 --> 02:03:54,960
like Pete said, mistakes were made.

1457
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:57,760
It was condemned after five years.

1458
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:02,000
It's been sitting condemned for about eight years

1459
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:03,240
if I remember correctly.

1460
02:04:04,620 --> 02:04:08,240
So it's sitting there, rotting a bunch of us

1461
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:12,100
got together with Ilyne Prabasco,

1462
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:17,100
heading the, you know, grabbing the ball and running with it.

1463
02:04:17,100 --> 02:04:23,300
And we've come up with a plan to fix this building

1464
02:04:23,300 --> 02:04:25,400
to where we can start using it, not only for the

1465
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:31,600
and machine club, but all of our safety equipment for the fire department, we lost our ambulance

1466
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:36,460
because we didn't have a place to put the bill in, the ambulance and any more. Hopefully,

1467
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:37,860
we'll get that back.

1468
02:04:41,050 --> 02:04:45,510
We still got a lot of work ahead of us, but I'm hoping you guys will

1469
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:51,730
vote yes on this proposal. That's all I got. Thank you. Thank you. I mean.

1470
02:05:05,970 --> 02:05:13,750
Okay, good evening. Assembly members, Madam Mayor, Mr. Manager, Mr. Attorney, Madam Clerk, and my friend, Brenda Joe.

1471
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:21,230
I'm my lean pervascow district, one resident and homeowner, and I'm late cabin owner and recreationalist in this area.

1472
02:05:21,690 --> 02:05:26,230
I've been in the last instance in 1981 and I've enjoyed outdoors my entire life.

1473
02:05:26,590 --> 02:05:32,010
I'm a retired Alaska public employee with 34 years of service in my last 19 years here at the Mount Sieberl.

1474
02:05:32,690 --> 02:05:41,150
speaking on behalf of myself, as well as the LSTCA and the LLSMC on this ordinance.

1475
02:05:42,050 --> 02:05:51,270
And because of my familiarity with these types of requests and the rural processes, I volunteered to handle this acquisition request for the community and they were glad to turn it over to me.

1476
02:05:51,270 --> 02:06:04,810
So briefly on the LSTCA, they provide the group that's recognized by the PURRO to provide direct input in citizen participation in government and local affairs.

1477
02:06:05,770 --> 02:06:20,530
The LSTCA assists with coordinating EMS services, although it does not directly oversee them. They help provide storage of equipment for EMS services, as well as coordinate brush removal and signage in the channel between Lake Louise and Lake Susit.

1478
02:06:20,530 --> 02:06:22,730
and then mostly outside of the winter season,

1479
02:06:23,550 --> 02:06:25,910
they also facilitate a contract for summer

1480
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:27,790
and winter snow plowing and road grading

1481
02:06:27,790 --> 02:06:29,470
from a local resident contractor.

1482
02:06:30,270 --> 02:06:34,390
The community has also staged a number of stocked fireboxes

1483
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:37,930
around the lakes for use in case of emergencies

1484
02:06:37,930 --> 02:06:41,190
and there's a location map for all of those.

1485
02:06:41,650 --> 02:06:44,250
I'm going to talk briefly about the census information

1486
02:06:44,250 --> 02:06:45,710
because some of you might think

1487
02:06:45,710 --> 02:06:49,130
if you looked at the census data that, you know,

1488
02:06:49,130 --> 02:06:52,550
have 36, 38, 40 people there.

1489
02:06:52,990 --> 02:06:55,830
Well, that varies depending on the years, of course.

1490
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:58,810
But that number of housing units up there,

1491
02:06:59,070 --> 02:07:00,230
according to the borough records,

1492
02:07:00,370 --> 02:07:02,590
I got this just the other day, is 538.

1493
02:07:03,170 --> 02:07:06,190
So we have a lot of folks up there that don't live their full time.

1494
02:07:07,870 --> 02:07:11,130
But that area is packed almost every weekend,

1495
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:13,850
winter and summer with all the cool stuff going on.

1496
02:07:15,370 --> 02:07:17,950
So the events are held year round at the lake,

1497
02:07:17,950 --> 02:07:22,170
And at any given event, there's estimated to be up to 300 people

1498
02:07:22,170 --> 02:07:25,870
from newborn to age 80s enjoying the lakes in the surrounding area.

1499
02:07:26,270 --> 02:07:29,790
Non-cabin owners come from Glen Allen, Eureka, Fairbanks,

1500
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:31,510
Feldees, to join these activities.

1501
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:34,650
And some of the fun things that go on at Lake Louise

1502
02:07:35,450 --> 02:07:37,070
are, well, first in the winter.

1503
02:07:37,250 --> 02:07:39,450
We are a major stop for the copper basin, 300.

1504
02:07:40,110 --> 02:07:42,170
So we have a lot of mousheres up in the area.

1505
02:07:42,610 --> 02:07:46,570
We have a sweet heart fun run, the wolf pack fungerizer weekend,

1506
02:07:46,570 --> 02:07:54,470
Wolfpack Spring Run, an antique snow machine, event in Curling, Ice Hockey, Ice Golf.

1507
02:07:54,590 --> 02:08:00,110
Yeah, Ice Golf or other spring event, we have cardboard boat races, we have an annual

1508
02:08:00,110 --> 02:08:06,490
North Beach picnic in Extravaganza, Halloween Party, Thanksgiving Poplet, and Great New Year's Eve Party.

1509
02:08:07,050 --> 02:08:14,590
So it's busy year round, and I guess I'll sum it up really quickly.

1510
02:08:14,590 --> 02:08:43,410
We do have another member that was supposed to be here tonight to help testify his name is James Hastings and he runs and manages and administers the Alaska Healing Hearts, the Island of Hope and Healing, and he was hoping to be here tonight to testify, but he has something come up so James did submit a letter of support and I'll hand that to the clerk for the record and we appreciate your, your,

1511
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:49,890
your service to us and for this opportunity for our community we will take good care of it.

1512
02:08:50,150 --> 02:08:51,770
Thank you.

1513
02:08:52,170 --> 02:08:52,730
Okay.

1514
02:08:54,390 --> 02:08:58,150
Anyone else that would like to testify on this ordinance?

1515
02:09:02,300 --> 02:09:02,880
We have a new rule.

1516
02:09:03,020 --> 02:09:03,560
Okay.

1517
02:09:03,820 --> 02:09:04,140
Go ahead.

1518
02:09:04,420 --> 02:09:05,840
Who's ever online, please?

1519
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:09,210
Hi.

1520
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:15,170
My name is Michelle Stevens and I am president of the Alaska Snow Machine Alliance, which supports

1521
02:09:15,170 --> 02:09:17,510
of Snomstein Club in state of Alaska.

1522
02:09:18,290 --> 02:09:21,470
We highly support this project in Lake Louise,

1523
02:09:21,570 --> 02:09:28,190
ordinance 26, 095, Lake Louise, support so many trails

1524
02:09:28,190 --> 02:09:32,390
over 300 miles of trails that Lake Louise

1525
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:33,890
Snomstein Club

1526
02:09:37,050 --> 02:09:40,330
grooms for the community in the wintertime.

1527
02:09:40,750 --> 02:09:43,710
And this project will help so much

1528
02:09:43,710 --> 02:09:47,070
with winter-tale grooming, the community, and everything.

1529
02:09:48,010 --> 02:09:59,950
Story and equipment, this is, you know, huge to keep the equipment dry and covered so that they can do makements on their equipment to keep.

1530
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:09,700
The trails groomed. They are so involved, they are top-notch. This snow machine club is paramount to the community in the police.

1531
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:21,020
And I, again, would like to say that the Alaska snow machine alliance and Peter's looks me nonprofit, highly support this project, and thank you for your time.

1532
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:29,500
in one last chance, any one in present, one, two,

1533
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:30,480
chest to five.

1534
02:10:32,260 --> 02:10:38,500
Okay, I'll close the public hearing and get me here.

1535
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:42,720
I moved to adopt ordinance 26-098,

1536
02:10:42,860 --> 02:10:44,880
and I'd like to speak to it momentarily.

1537
02:10:45,220 --> 02:10:46,040
Sure, go ahead, sir.

1538
02:10:46,520 --> 02:10:51,840
So this safety building was built by Grant, I believe,

1539
02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:53,080
It's what I was told.

1540
02:10:53,780 --> 02:10:57,160
And you had a certain amount of time to get it built and stuff.

1541
02:10:57,180 --> 02:10:58,740
And it was kind of a rush deal.

1542
02:10:59,620 --> 02:11:03,440
When I went out there, it kind of looks like maybe 15 feet of fill

1543
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:04,060
or something.

1544
02:11:04,420 --> 02:11:09,200
And then some perm frost involved as well.

1545
02:11:10,020 --> 02:11:13,320
And nice building, sturdy building,

1546
02:11:13,700 --> 02:11:15,940
columns construction built it.

1547
02:11:16,440 --> 02:11:20,000
But the floor dropped out in some places

1548
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:28,380
at 29 inches. I know when I walk through there the middle of the building was like 15, 16 inches

1549
02:11:28,380 --> 02:11:35,260
higher than the perimeter. But the building was sound from what I could see. I mean it wasn't

1550
02:11:35,260 --> 02:11:42,040
all cracked up on the drywall and stuff. But at one point they condemned the building and then

1551
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:49,900
they were trying to work out ways to get the building demolished. There was some talk about maybe

1552
02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:56,680
trading, or letting people tear it down for their lumber costs and stuff, but then the

1553
02:11:56,680 --> 02:12:00,640
world would still have to remove the concrete and clean up.

1554
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:05,360
This is just a way that is a useful building.

1555
02:12:06,540 --> 02:12:19,180
If you have a little bit of ingenuity and it relieves the borough of any financial costs

1556
02:12:19,180 --> 02:12:24,660
stuff like that as providers get in really building. It's a win-win for them and out there

1557
02:12:24,660 --> 02:12:29,940
they don't get a lot of service from the Bureau and anything that they can get. I'm not

1558
02:12:29,940 --> 02:12:32,580
sure appreciate if they can get it.

1559
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:35,260
Oh, Assembly person Bowles.

1560
02:12:36,380 --> 02:12:40,240
Thank you, Madam Mayor. And thank you, Ron, for bringing this forward. I fully support this.

1561
02:12:40,500 --> 02:12:47,060
I'd like to amend this ordinance and resolution. Friendly ordinance or friendly amendment.

1562
02:12:47,060 --> 02:12:54,240
I think that this is so important that we need to change the number to one for one dollar.

1563
02:12:54,940 --> 02:12:57,220
They have already paid their statewide taxes.

1564
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:01,160
They're going to be utilizing this facility to serve the community.

1565
02:13:01,260 --> 02:13:02,640
This isn't for personal use.

1566
02:13:02,760 --> 02:13:04,540
This is for service to the community.

1567
02:13:05,340 --> 02:13:13,220
I think that that money that $13,175 can be put towards better use than having to put it towards this.

1568
02:13:13,220 --> 02:13:19,000
So I think that the borough should transfer this for $1 and then allow them to utilize that

1569
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:21,220
funding to serve that community.

1570
02:13:23,120 --> 02:13:33,040
Okay, this is a primary amendment then to change from, remove the $13,000, $1,276 in place

1571
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,360
of that, put $1.

1572
02:13:35,120 --> 02:13:36,500
Assembly for some gamble.

1573
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:38,620
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1574
02:13:38,620 --> 02:13:41,980
And I hold hardly support the amendment,

1575
02:13:44,220 --> 02:13:53,060
this building has been a disaster for the boroughs since my time and emergency services to the point where it was going to be cost prohibitive.

1576
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:58,780
I don't even know if they knew how they could even get it engineered to fix the floor and it back when I was with emergency services.

1577
02:13:59,860 --> 02:14:04,400
And so they finally just condemned it and they lost their ambulance in Lake Louisa.

1578
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:05,880
So now if they need emergency services,

1579
02:14:06,020 --> 02:14:08,500
I believe it has to come out of Golanalan or out of Sutton,

1580
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:12,060
if they need medical assistance up there.

1581
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,660
And like Assembly Member Boles and Assembly Member Bernier

1582
02:14:14,660 --> 02:14:18,040
have said, this is a great project.

1583
02:14:18,040 --> 02:14:20,260
It's a community coming together to build something

1584
02:14:20,260 --> 02:14:22,540
that's going to serve the entire community.

1585
02:14:23,060 --> 02:14:25,080
And I think this is a great project.

1586
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:28,160
And we should give them the building for $1.

1587
02:14:28,460 --> 02:14:30,480
Thank you.

1588
02:14:32,740 --> 02:14:38,480
I just like maybe staff to come forward because anybody listening this in public might

1589
02:14:40,180 --> 02:14:51,880
not understand how we like how was the 13,000 calculated what's I mean I've seen a fair number of the less than fair market value sales go

1590
02:14:52,220 --> 02:14:58,480
I've never reduced it to one dollar not that I don't necessarily support that but

1591
02:14:59,160 --> 02:14:59,960
as the pervasse.

1592
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,780
Go as to keep a kind of a straight keel with everybody and how they treat them.

1593
02:15:06,180 --> 02:15:11,300
So can you speak to how the 13,000 was arrived at and sort of the process for less than fair

1594
02:15:11,300 --> 02:15:15,480
market value and what changing it to $1.00 any implication of that?

1595
02:15:16,660 --> 02:15:26,600
Okay, with the Assembly's understanding and permission, I will acknowledge staff, so go ahead.

1596
02:15:28,140 --> 02:15:29,240
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1597
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:34,960
Assembly members, for the record, Jillian Morsey Community Development Director, and to answer Assembly member.

1598
02:15:34,960 --> 02:15:45,020
Now, our question, the price that you see as part of this legislation is the price reflects

1599
02:15:45,020 --> 02:15:47,660
the subdivision costs period.

1600
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:51,840
Excuse me, what was the last part that you just said?

1601
02:15:52,620 --> 02:15:55,660
The price of $13,176.

1602
02:15:56,460 --> 02:15:57,520
Just a minute.

1603
02:15:57,880 --> 02:15:58,180
Assembly.

1604
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:00,160
First of all, will you put your mic on please?

1605
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:00,920
So it's on the record.

1606
02:16:00,940 --> 02:16:01,700
I thought, thank you.

1607
02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:03,200
No, we'll go ahead and ask you a question.

1608
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:10,100
I didn't hear the very last part you said it's that that that price is reflective of the price reflects the subdivision costs.

1609
02:16:10,460 --> 02:16:11,400
Oh, okay.

1610
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:12,040
Thanks.

1611
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:13,760
Yes.

1612
02:16:14,220 --> 02:16:14,620
Okay.

1613
02:16:15,660 --> 02:16:16,600
Thank you.

1614
02:16:16,620 --> 02:16:18,480
I just wanted to be sure it was on the record.

1615
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:19,080
No, I can't.

1616
02:16:19,420 --> 02:16:20,020
Yeah, but he mayor.

1617
02:16:20,260 --> 02:16:25,860
This originally was, I believe, a 17 acre parcel and now is subdivided down to five.

1618
02:16:26,080 --> 02:16:26,680
I believe.

1619
02:16:29,190 --> 02:16:30,970
Assemblyperson McKee did you still?

1620
02:16:31,330 --> 02:16:32,090
I did.

1621
02:16:32,510 --> 02:16:40,790
Yeah, so the, this is five acres and so that five acres is worth 13,000, whatever it is.

1622
02:16:41,250 --> 02:16:45,830
What, I guess I would ask you, what, we're giving you that to less than bear market value.

1623
02:16:45,850 --> 02:16:48,110
What is for a market value for this thing?

1624
02:16:55,510 --> 02:16:59,470
Through the mayor to Assemblymember McKee, I don't have that number right in front of me,

1625
02:16:59,570 --> 02:17:03,610
but what I can tell you is this was about a 16 acre parcel.

1626
02:17:03,610 --> 02:17:12,510
and it was now subdivided, where five acres is going to the LSTCA, so to this and the Lake Luis

1627
02:17:12,510 --> 02:17:20,470
No Machine Club, and then about 12 acres were set aside for the borough, but I can get those numbers

1628
02:17:20,470 --> 02:17:27,210
for you about what the values are. Something members, some were just showing me something here

1629
02:17:27,210 --> 02:17:32,110
and I had already read that and it tells me what the whole thing was worth, but I still don't know

1630
02:17:32,110 --> 02:17:36,410
what the, I guess because I'm not getting to the mountain my head, I can't, I still don't

1631
02:17:36,410 --> 02:17:42,270
know what each that whole 5-acre piece plus the land is actually worth, because we're

1632
02:17:42,270 --> 02:17:47,270
giving it for less than that's 13, what, what would it be if we weren't giving it for

1633
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:48,270
doing it for less?

1634
02:17:49,230 --> 02:17:49,470
Do you understand?

1635
02:17:52,660 --> 02:17:56,640
Who has through the merit to assembly member, I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

1636
02:17:57,220 --> 02:18:02,480
Because what it says in the, it's talking about 17,000 acres and it was like 545,000

1637
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:08,220
Now, it's down to like five acres and the building and we're saying in the case of less

1638
02:18:08,220 --> 02:18:09,060
in fair market value.

1639
02:18:09,080 --> 02:18:11,660
My question is what is fair market value for this?

1640
02:18:11,820 --> 02:18:15,500
If we were selling it not to these folks with to somebody else, what would we be?

1641
02:18:15,620 --> 02:18:18,480
Through the mayor to Assemblymember McKee, I do have those numbers.

1642
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:22,640
They're back at the table and I could get those for you, but I don't have them in front of me,

1643
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:22,980
currently.

1644
02:18:23,680 --> 02:18:24,740
Could you get them?

1645
02:18:26,490 --> 02:18:27,770
Similar to those in hours.

1646
02:18:28,890 --> 02:18:33,890
So by understanding it correctly, we're selling them to, for the 13,000 that it cost us

1647
02:18:33,890 --> 02:18:36,210
do the subdivision of the property.

1648
02:18:36,350 --> 02:18:38,190
So we're selling it to them at just the cost.

1649
02:18:38,190 --> 02:18:41,650
No value of the property, just the cost of what

1650
02:18:41,650 --> 02:18:45,310
it cost the borough taxpayer to subdivide it.

1651
02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:59,170
So if we give it at $1, the borough taxpayers basically pay

1652
02:18:59,170 --> 02:19:01,330
in the cost of the subdividing, because I'll

1653
02:19:01,330 --> 02:19:02,470
come out of the general budget.

1654
02:19:07,460 --> 02:19:09,240
Through the mayor's assembly, remember now,

1655
02:19:09,240 --> 02:19:15,220
And the 13,176 dollars takes care of the cost for the subdivision.

1656
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:19,840
And I could give you a breakdown of what those costs are.

1657
02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:22,140
Again, I just have that back at the table.

1658
02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:26,740
And I could survey and cost and other things in order to do the subdivision work.

1659
02:19:28,360 --> 02:19:28,440
Okay.

1660
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:30,680
So I don't need to break down.

1661
02:19:30,840 --> 02:19:33,480
I understand the 13,000.

1662
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:36,960
I just don't know if he asked for it to be for $1.

1663
02:19:36,960 --> 02:19:43,660
And I mean, you could consider it just a contribution to the project for putting a floor back into

1664
02:19:43,660 --> 02:19:44,980
to line, I suppose.

1665
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:51,380
But it helps me to know that that is an actual cost incurred by the burrow.

1666
02:19:51,940 --> 02:19:52,400
Assembly.

1667
02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:58,640
I think I remember hearing about this as it was going along.

1668
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,960
And, you know, the Lake Louie's no machine club, you know, knew they were going to incur these costs for the subdivision.

1669
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:13,240
I think the more appropriate way to do it would be, you know, perhaps working a grant in the $13,000 grant in the budget process next year.

1670
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:18,020
But except, you know, moving this long, as it was originally drafted as it was originally intended.

1671
02:20:21,180 --> 02:20:23,980
I think it meant personal goals, and then, please.

1672
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:31,000
Thank you, Madam Mayor. So, so the taxpayers are actually sitting right out there. They've already paid their taxes.

1673
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:32,640
They've paid for $13,000.

1674
02:20:32,820 --> 02:20:38,160
It's already been paid, and they're doing this community a huge service by taking this

1675
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:38,560
on.

1676
02:20:39,580 --> 02:20:46,660
I think that this is the least that we, on the assembly, can do for them, considering what they're

1677
02:20:46,660 --> 02:20:51,040
taking on with this project for one, and then once this project is complete, what they're

1678
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:57,820
going to be able to do is, as far as providing, mean services, heat for homes, grooming

1679
02:20:57,820 --> 02:21:02,360
trails, just the area out there, I'm sure everybody's been out there, it's massive and the

1680
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:10,360
snowshing club does outstanding work and this is a very minute amount and that 13 grand

1681
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:14,980
give her take and go back into that community, they've already paid these area white taxes,

1682
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:19,360
they can go back into that community and be used to serve that community.

1683
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:26,140
Okay, I think D has this bullpen and all come in.

1684
02:21:26,140 --> 02:21:29,960
I don't ever like voting on something if I really don't have all of the numbers.

1685
02:21:30,180 --> 02:21:35,780
And if what if this is worth $150,000 and when getting doing it for like $13,000, whatever it is.

1686
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:40,420
If I'm a taxpayer out there, property tax, property owner, and I'm paying taxes, I'm saying,

1687
02:21:40,740 --> 02:21:43,700
we're going to give away something that's $150,000 for $13,000.

1688
02:21:43,900 --> 02:21:45,860
And I can't even pay my stick in property taxes.

1689
02:21:46,320 --> 02:21:49,980
And this is the benefit people in a certain, I get it.

1690
02:21:49,980 --> 02:21:54,340
You guys are great, whoever you guys that are doing this is a best presentation I have ever heard.

1691
02:21:54,900 --> 02:21:59,080
So I'll probably go ahead and vote for it anyway, but I want to know what we're getting.

1692
02:21:59,420 --> 02:22:00,160
You understand what I'm saying?

1693
02:22:00,480 --> 02:22:03,520
Transparency says, I can't just say, oh yeah, let's just do this.

1694
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:05,180
Okay.

1695
02:22:06,980 --> 02:22:08,440
Did you get some figures?

1696
02:22:09,220 --> 02:22:09,460
Okay.

1697
02:22:10,700 --> 02:22:14,620
Thank you, Madam Mayor, to Assemblymember McKee, back to your original question.

1698
02:22:14,620 --> 02:22:19,020
And the 2026 building appraised value was $459,100.

1699
02:22:20,860 --> 02:22:27,620
The 2026 building appraised value was $459,100.

1700
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:32,440
The land value at 16 acres was 86,200.

1701
02:22:34,620 --> 02:22:44,160
If you take the 36 to get 3,650 per acre times five acres for the Lake Louise, the

1702
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:57,600
L-S-T-C-A parcel equals 18366 dollars plus building equals the total value of 477,466 dollars

1703
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,580
in the 80 cents for this piece today.

1704
02:23:02,620 --> 02:23:03,920
The building is condemned.

1705
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:04,380
That's correct.

1706
02:23:08,150 --> 02:23:08,390
Similar.

1707
02:23:09,810 --> 02:23:11,050
It's really finished.

1708
02:23:13,650 --> 02:23:16,290
So are we really giving 13,000.

1709
02:23:16,390 --> 02:23:16,710
A waste.

1710
02:23:17,130 --> 02:23:20,990
This thing is supposed to be like, would you ever, what's she, that final figure you ended up with,

1711
02:23:21,150 --> 02:23:23,250
for 13,000 dollars, even if it's a condemned filling.

1712
02:23:24,030 --> 02:23:25,990
Must be worth something if you can fix it.

1713
02:23:27,130 --> 02:23:28,590
What's that probably wasn't a very critical question.

1714
02:23:29,470 --> 02:23:30,790
But what are we actually

1715
02:23:32,840 --> 02:23:37,520
giving them for that money, for how much money was here?

1716
02:23:37,640 --> 02:23:38,720
We're giving for 13,000.

1717
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:40,800
that final figure up here, that's the 101.

1718
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,520
This said, this five acres and this building is actually worth

1719
02:23:44,520 --> 02:23:46,740
blah, blah, blah, blah, and we're selling it for $3,000.

1720
02:23:47,060 --> 02:23:50,480
That's my question, or my question, that's what I want to know.

1721
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,360
Through the mayor to some of my memory key, I'm sorry, I may not

1722
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:59,300
understand your question, but what I did want to provide was the breakdown

1723
02:23:59,300 --> 02:24:02,940
of the subdivision costs just to go back to that, so you understand what

1724
02:24:02,940 --> 02:24:06,360
the costs are, there's surveyors over $12,000.

1725
02:24:07,880 --> 02:24:10,940
There's also a plating fees occurred, $81,

1726
02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:15,500
another $300 fee, and then a recording fee

1727
02:24:15,500 --> 02:24:18,640
for the $13,176 in eight cents.

1728
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:21,140
And that's the less than fair market value,

1729
02:24:21,820 --> 02:24:23,420
that the five, a little over five acres

1730
02:24:23,420 --> 02:24:26,860
is being offered to the LSTCA.

1731
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:28,760
OK, I think maybe if I put this really,

1732
02:24:28,860 --> 02:24:31,200
if you were selling this to me for fair market value,

1733
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:32,180
what would you charge me?

1734
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:38,280
I'm going to declare things to that question.

1735
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:40,460
Go ahead, sir.

1736
02:24:40,640 --> 02:24:41,740
Through the Meredith Miss McKee.

1737
02:24:41,820 --> 02:24:42,420
Why can't I get that?

1738
02:24:42,420 --> 02:24:43,620
The building is condemned.

1739
02:24:43,900 --> 02:24:44,060
I know.

1740
02:24:44,060 --> 02:24:44,160
I know.

1741
02:24:44,480 --> 02:24:45,000
I know.

1742
02:24:45,660 --> 02:24:45,780
I know.

1743
02:24:45,780 --> 02:24:45,920
I know.

1744
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:45,960
I know.

1745
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:46,280
I know.

1746
02:24:46,460 --> 02:24:46,820
I know.

1747
02:24:46,820 --> 02:24:47,240
I know.

1748
02:24:47,240 --> 02:24:47,620
I know.

1749
02:24:47,620 --> 02:24:47,720
I know.

1750
02:24:47,720 --> 02:24:57,100
I know.

1751
02:24:57,100 --> 02:24:59,920
you to us. Right. And so that's the issue.

1752
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:10,340
And like Mr. Bernier mentioned, we can go in there and try to fix it, or we can try to demolish and remove it, which is going to cost us probably more than $13,175.

1753
02:25:11,160 --> 02:25:19,000
Okay, I got it. So I think the selling point to me is, these folks sitting out here saying all of the wonderful things that they're going to do with it.

1754
02:25:19,180 --> 02:25:27,580
This is, as I said, the best presentation I've heard. I always go toward something that what would it cost me if fair market value?

1755
02:25:27,580 --> 02:25:32,460
But I understand, I just wanted the numbers out there, and I'm okay with that.

1756
02:25:33,000 --> 02:25:37,440
And through the mayor quickly, I mean the value of sub-dividing is when we hand this to them,

1757
02:25:37,620 --> 02:25:40,420
they're going to take complete ownership and liability for it, right?

1758
02:25:40,420 --> 02:25:43,640
So we want to sub-divide keep the land that's ours for public purpose.

1759
02:25:44,060 --> 02:25:47,260
This will still serve public purpose, but it's going to be under their name,

1760
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,800
and essentially that Burrough's going to wash our hands of it.

1761
02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:54,580
Okay, so when those are draw, they think, yeah, I got it.

1762
02:25:54,700 --> 02:25:55,900
And they're willing to take it all.

1763
02:26:00,060 --> 02:26:06,080
I was just going to say that I think that $13,107,6 dollars is the best off what we've

1764
02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:06,260
gotten.

1765
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:09,800
The one dollar would be the best off what we've gotten.

1766
02:26:09,900 --> 02:26:12,360
If you look at the pictures, yeah.

1767
02:26:13,780 --> 02:26:17,600
I think that the assessments hasn't caught up with the confirmation department.

1768
02:26:18,140 --> 02:26:23,160
I think that that assessment may have reflected what it would have been in a building that was actually

1769
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:28,560
So, I mean, this might actually be fair for about $13,000.

1770
02:26:28,620 --> 02:26:30,460
I mean, well, the bland itself's worth a little more,

1771
02:26:30,580 --> 02:26:33,260
but there's a liability that's taken off with it.

1772
02:26:33,700 --> 02:26:36,400
And the only reason that I using question this is when we've had so much

1773
02:26:36,400 --> 02:26:42,220
consternation with the public about taxes and we need to stop spending their

1774
02:26:42,220 --> 02:26:45,180
money and all of that, I need them to know.

1775
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:49,300
That's why I had this discussion was important to me, because maybe it is

1776
02:26:49,300 --> 02:26:53,000
some folks out there, now it's like, why not?

1777
02:26:53,380 --> 02:26:54,420
And could that matter Mary?

1778
02:26:54,680 --> 02:26:55,240
Half of the question.

1779
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:57,080
A lot of people that need to talk.

1780
02:26:57,160 --> 02:26:59,720
I had more to add, you know, it was cut off.

1781
02:27:01,630 --> 02:27:01,790
What?

1782
02:27:02,170 --> 02:27:05,350
I had more to say when D interrupted me.

1783
02:27:05,450 --> 02:27:06,410
Very, very politely.

1784
02:27:07,050 --> 02:27:09,830
No, no, not back and forth between the two.

1785
02:27:10,850 --> 02:27:11,650
Madam Mary, may I continue?

1786
02:27:13,630 --> 02:27:14,250
May I continue?

1787
02:27:15,310 --> 02:27:15,590
Yes.

1788
02:27:16,610 --> 02:27:18,270
Some have come through the chair.

1789
02:27:18,270 --> 02:27:28,230
not yet. Thank you. Yeah, what was going to say about after me for allowing that. So I've been

1790
02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:33,470
I've been spanked, so I am now spanking you too. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1791
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:43,510
Oh, I don't disagree with anything that Mr. Bols was saying about this being, you know, these taxpayers have paid their taxes and the providing a very worthwhile service to the community.

1792
02:27:44,110 --> 02:27:48,470
I just think that it's more appropriate that since there was a cost to curve for subdivision

1793
02:27:48,470 --> 02:27:54,610
that we, you know, receive the expense for the subdivision here on the sale and then if we

1794
02:27:54,610 --> 02:28:02,030
want to give them $13,175, I would 100% support a grant later on during the budget process.

1795
02:28:03,450 --> 02:28:04,910
Or even at the next meeting.

1796
02:28:09,130 --> 02:28:13,090
So I think we're just, I call for the question, we're deviating away from the amendment.

1797
02:28:14,430 --> 02:28:14,930
Okay,

1798
02:28:18,500 --> 02:28:22,660
so first of all, I lean as glad she's retired from the borough at this point, but,

1799
02:28:22,660 --> 02:28:24,440
I'm pretty easy, this is going to happen.

1800
02:28:25,460 --> 02:28:31,760
The 13,000 is just a cost the borough incurred, so to make the subdivision possible.

1801
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:33,960
And so I agree with Assemblymember Sumner.

1802
02:28:34,100 --> 02:28:37,020
I just think for all future things like this,

1803
02:28:37,080 --> 02:28:41,980
sell it at the cost and then do a $13,000 contribution,

1804
02:28:42,440 --> 02:28:47,060
or whatever, you could come back to us for more if it's warranted.

1805
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:48,720
So that's just where I am on it.

1806
02:28:48,900 --> 02:28:50,460
But it's going to happen one way or another.

1807
02:28:52,160 --> 02:28:53,880
I think the amendment is changing to $1.

1808
02:28:54,320 --> 02:28:57,020
So I'm opposing that, but we'll support the sale, absolutely.

1809
02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:01,660
Okay, assembly person bowls.

1810
02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:03,980
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1811
02:29:04,420 --> 02:29:07,720
These good people already paid their taxes and with that, I call the question.

1812
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:11,360
Okay, is there a objection?

1813
02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:13,200
Question has been called.

1814
02:29:16,820 --> 02:29:20,640
They don't see any objection to the question, Madam.

1815
02:29:21,300 --> 02:29:24,340
I can get the members to go ahead and vote on the primary amendment.

1816
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:33,540
Madam Mayor, it has failed with assembly member gamble and bowls and support.

1817
02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:40,220
and send a person from a question just to have continued please if I may.

1818
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:46,260
When this whole thing started, that $13,000 that was something that was discussed

1819
02:29:46,260 --> 02:29:49,920
and they agreed with that amount. Is that correct?

1820
02:29:50,220 --> 02:29:51,100
That is correct.

1821
02:29:52,100 --> 02:29:56,720
So it's not surprised to them that they agreed they're happy with the number and everything

1822
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:57,420
correct.

1823
02:29:57,420 --> 02:29:59,920
through the mirror to a assembly member phone off.

1824
02:30:01,580 --> 02:30:10,860
I'm standing up here in speaking of this. This has been a long process for the community council, land management, also department emergency services.

1825
02:30:11,220 --> 02:30:15,120
There has been years of conversations around this. There are no surprises tonight.

1826
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:21,080
So, to my understanding, to Miss McKee, to just to kind of put you at ease, we're not charging

1827
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:24,360
money, we're just passing on the cost, what it costs, to separate us.

1828
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:32,140
So, I think that is a very reasonable, what the staff has prepared, and I will support it

1829
02:30:32,140 --> 02:30:33,000
as it is written.

1830
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:35,100
Okay.

1831
02:30:36,180 --> 02:30:39,100
I'm ready to, is there objection to the motion,

1832
02:30:43,020 --> 02:30:45,540
and then I don't see any objection to the

1833
02:30:45,540 --> 02:30:49,420
motion for the legislation passed this.

1834
02:30:49,880 --> 02:30:56,200
Ordnance 26100 in Ordnance 3 appropriating $122,895 in 23 cents.

1835
02:30:56,720 --> 02:31:03,180
From the Brett Reber floor replacement project to the Ice Arena and pool project fund for the purchase of an ice-resurfacing machine.

1836
02:31:03,560 --> 02:31:10,820
The accompanying resolution 2681, a resolution improvement scope will work in budget for the purchase of an ice-resurfacing machine.

1837
02:31:11,020 --> 02:31:13,720
If you're on the point of the like to speak to this, press start free.

1838
02:31:14,740 --> 02:31:22,720
Open the public hearing for ordinance 26-100 and resolution 26-081.

1839
02:31:23,540 --> 02:31:25,620
We do not have a sign-up sheet.

1840
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:32,000
Anyone that would like to testify on either this ordinance or resolution.

1841
02:31:36,750 --> 02:31:38,510
We have one person online.

1842
02:31:38,790 --> 02:31:39,870
Go ahead, please.

1843
02:31:49,770 --> 02:31:50,970
Did they hang up?

1844
02:31:54,940 --> 02:31:55,680
They put their hand down.

1845
02:31:55,760 --> 02:31:56,460
They don't want to speak.

1846
02:31:56,460 --> 02:32:01,360
Oh, so we didn't lose them, but they just changed their mind.

1847
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:02,900
All right.

1848
02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:06,770
One last chance for anyone here.

1849
02:32:10,830 --> 02:32:10,890
Okay.

1850
02:32:10,970 --> 02:32:15,790
I'm going to close a public hearing and get the mayor.

1851
02:32:16,150 --> 02:32:23,030
I moved to adopt ordinance 26-101 and resolution 26-084.

1852
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:27,760
That's the wrong ordinance.

1853
02:32:30,670 --> 02:32:31,830
Did we give them the wrong?

1854
02:32:31,830 --> 02:32:32,030
Yeah.

1855
02:32:32,030 --> 02:32:36,950
That was the assembly member somewhere that was supposed to remove the file on one.

1856
02:32:37,070 --> 02:32:37,590
I don't think it's 100.

1857
02:32:38,310 --> 02:32:39,210
Oh, he's working.

1858
02:32:43,350 --> 02:32:45,930
I think they handed it to me because it's in my district.

1859
02:32:46,990 --> 02:32:52,030
But I moved to adopt ordinance 26-100 and resolution 26-081.

1860
02:32:52,650 --> 02:32:53,990
You like to speak to it?

1861
02:32:54,110 --> 02:32:55,850
Yeah, I like to say one thing.

1862
02:32:56,170 --> 02:32:58,970
I'm not sure if this is as I am voting or not that it was a pretty

1863
02:32:58,970 --> 02:33:03,910
part on the details on what it is that ice resurfacing machine is, but I hope that

1864
02:33:04,890 --> 02:33:07,930
there we go. And I hope what I was going to say is I hope this thing doesn't get

1865
02:33:07,930 --> 02:33:11,870
put out to pasture, put a government auction because, you know, it's possible that it

1866
02:33:11,870 --> 02:33:18,330
could be repurposed for one of our other. I think maybe we have some clarification from staff

1867
02:33:18,330 --> 02:33:20,470
if Madam Mayor will allow it.

1868
02:33:25,540 --> 02:33:29,220
For the record, Jillian Morrissey Community Development Director, through the Mayor to assembly

1869
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:29,820
member.

1870
02:33:32,220 --> 02:33:38,740
None of our ice-resurfacing machines go out to pasture. We have several other outdoor

1871
02:33:38,740 --> 02:33:44,520
ice-rings that we also service now, including Tel-Kitna, Willow. We also have a Rink

1872
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:49,660
and Sun, and now we have acquired Glacier View Community Center, which also has an ice

1873
02:33:49,660 --> 02:33:56,920
ring in need of an ice-resurfacing machine. Using the term ice-resurfacing machine is just that I'm

1874
02:33:56,920 --> 02:34:01,400
using instead of saying Kleenex or say facial tissue.

1875
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:05,380
So it's the embodies who we typically use for our parts

1876
02:34:05,380 --> 02:34:06,380
and for our machinery.

1877
02:34:07,520 --> 02:34:09,520
It's just it allows procurement the opportunity

1878
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:11,220
just to look at different alternatives.

1879
02:34:14,100 --> 02:34:15,300
Assemblymember Bolt.

1880
02:34:16,020 --> 02:34:16,900
Oh, my camel.

1881
02:34:17,960 --> 02:34:18,800
Thank you, Matt.

1882
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:21,500
So I was just trying to go back and look,

1883
02:34:21,860 --> 02:34:22,520
Erin, that's kind of slow.

1884
02:34:22,620 --> 02:34:25,680
Didn't we last meeting move money to the Brett

1885
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:32,520
floor replacement project. And if we moved money to this project from a different project,

1886
02:34:32,780 --> 02:34:39,760
why are we now again moving money from the project? We moved money from to fund to now

1887
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:47,020
purchases and building. Through the Maritou Assembly member bulls, we actually have, we were not

1888
02:34:47,020 --> 02:34:54,460
moving it to the, we finished the flooring projects. What we're doing is as projects are coming in

1889
02:34:54,460 --> 02:34:57,600
And we have leftover funds we've been coming in under budget, which is terrific.

1890
02:34:58,260 --> 02:34:59,880
We've been moving those funds in order to be able to.

1891
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,320
We're able to repurpose them in order to be able to continue to have high quality operations.

1892
02:35:05,320 --> 02:35:10,640
And this is the final moving of project funds in order to be able to purchase the Zamboni,

1893
02:35:11,300 --> 02:35:14,840
which requires an additional about $65, $70,000.

1894
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:16,540
Okay, sure.

1895
02:35:16,620 --> 02:35:19,140
So if I may, through the mayor, I think the confusion may be.

1896
02:35:19,140 --> 02:35:22,540
That was the wassela pool flooring, not the Brett.

1897
02:35:22,980 --> 02:35:24,400
Thank you. Yep. Okay. Yep.

1898
02:35:27,970 --> 02:35:29,530
Okay, Assemblyperson Campbell.

1899
02:35:29,530 --> 02:35:30,530
What are you, Madam Mayor?

1900
02:35:31,050 --> 02:35:36,590
Jillian, I must have missed this, so this is adding to a project and you're going to purchase a new Zamboni, is it correct?

1901
02:35:37,010 --> 02:35:39,850
Through the mayor to Assemblymember Campbell, that is correct.

1902
02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:43,170
We are in the need of a new one at the Brett facility.

1903
02:35:43,450 --> 02:35:43,610
Got

1904
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:47,830
you.

1905
02:35:48,030 --> 02:35:50,690
Is there any objection to the motion?

1906
02:35:54,160 --> 02:35:57,320
See, no objection and the legislation passes.

1907
02:35:58,340 --> 02:35:58,980
Madam Clerk.

1908
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:05,340
Ordnance 26101 and Ordnance accepting and appropriating 565,900 dollars from the Talki

1909
02:36:05,340 --> 02:36:07,740
to airman's association with Camping Resolution.

1910
02:36:08,580 --> 02:36:10,780
2684, Resolution of Freedom and School for Work and Budget

1911
02:36:10,780 --> 02:36:13,980
for the top-caint and Village Air Strip Revent Reconstruction.

1912
02:36:14,380 --> 02:36:16,760
If you're on the front of a like to speak to this, press start free.

1913
02:36:18,360 --> 02:36:20,500
Okay, we do not have a sign-up sheet,

1914
02:36:20,900 --> 02:36:22,580
and public hearing.

1915
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:31,280
Anyone that would like to testify in orders 26-101 or resolution 26-084.

1916
02:36:33,900 --> 02:36:44,760
see anybody do we have anybody would you not have anybody online? Okay. I'll close public hearing and deputy mayor. Now you can reread it.

1917
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:51,920
I moved to adopt ordinance 26-101 and resolution 26-084.

1918
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:58,980
discussion in the objection.

1919
02:37:01,440 --> 02:37:06,160
Okay, hearing none another legislation passes, men close.

1920
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:14,140
Do we have another one? That's the last one, okay. Now we're now to another audience participation.

1921
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:20,280
Don't look like we have a sign up sheet. Go ahead and open audience participation.

1922
02:37:20,280 --> 02:37:27,780
And if you didn't testify previously, you can testify under this audience participation.

1923
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,220
Anybody online, sir?

1924
02:37:35,560 --> 02:37:35,820
I'm ready.

1925
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:38,640
I'm going to go ahead and close audience participation.

1926
02:37:39,740 --> 02:37:41,980
And now we're to the consent agenda.

1927
02:37:42,300 --> 02:37:42,680
Assembly.

1928
02:37:42,860 --> 02:37:43,960
Posts is on there.

1929
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:48,160
Yeah, I'd like to also pull AM26-125.

1930
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:49,300
25.

1931
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:55,660
Is that right?

1932
02:37:56,320 --> 02:37:56,540
26.

1933
02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:57,380
125.

1934
02:37:57,780 --> 02:37:59,000
Is that too said, sir?

1935
02:38:00,280 --> 02:38:00,560
OK.

1936
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:02,700
Thank you.

1937
02:38:06,060 --> 02:38:08,160
There's the only objection to him pulling.

1938
02:38:09,460 --> 02:38:10,140
125.

1939
02:38:10,720 --> 02:38:11,500
26.

1940
02:38:12,840 --> 02:38:12,980
Okay.

1941
02:38:13,260 --> 02:38:14,220
Don't see any objection.

1942
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:15,420
And then, clerk.

1943
02:38:23,790 --> 02:38:24,230
Madam clerk.

1944
02:38:25,570 --> 02:38:26,850
Resolution 26.

1945
02:38:27,090 --> 02:38:27,450
087.

1946
02:38:27,630 --> 02:38:28,430
Resolution A.

1947
02:38:28,430 --> 02:38:32,750
Two wave application and land use permit fees for denouling Nordic ski clubs.

1948
02:38:32,750 --> 02:38:38,350
proposed four-mile trail expansion up to a heat and lakes park. Resolution 2689, a Resolution

1949
02:38:38,350 --> 02:38:43,550
directing the manager to develop a public safety facility proposal for Alaska State Trooper

1950
02:38:43,550 --> 02:38:49,050
operations in the Maniska St. of Burrow, Resolution 2690, a resolution that mending the Peace

1951
02:38:49,050 --> 02:38:53,910
Kettle for Community Development, Resolution 2696, a resolution that mending the scope will

1952
02:38:53,910 --> 02:38:58,890
work and put it within the midway road service area, excuse me, road service area, to re-allocate

1953
02:38:58,890 --> 02:39:05,550
funds from Steven Drive Improvements to Midway Streets Improvement Project, AM26-121

1954
02:39:05,550 --> 02:39:10,770
authorization to purchase a network's network, which is from Worldwide Technology in the

1955
02:39:10,770 --> 02:39:20,950
amount of $155,449.17. AM26-122 approval of change order number 7 for contract 23T-2PC

1956
02:39:20,950 --> 02:39:26,390
with Dowell for the Ederton Park's Road Mountain Trails Drive Upgrade Pathway Project

1957
02:39:26,390 --> 02:39:30,550
to retroactively extend the completion date to September 30th,

1958
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:37,290
2026, AM26-124, approval, a change order number four for contract 2555B,

1959
02:39:37,530 --> 02:39:40,870
with granite construction for the Midway Streets Road Improvement Project,

1960
02:39:41,070 --> 02:39:44,550
to add 11,000 important and $94 and $8,000,

1961
02:39:44,550 --> 02:39:47,170
and retroactively extend the final completion date

1962
02:39:47,170 --> 02:39:53,850
to December 31st, 2026, AM26-126 awarded bid number 2725B,

1963
02:39:53,850 --> 02:39:59,930
to old-day construction company in the amount of 227,773 dollars in 27.

1964
02:40:00,110 --> 02:40:30,090
For a till keep in a transfer station access improvements, AM26-127 authorizing the managers signature on the memorandum of agreement with the Alaska State Department of Natural Resources Division, division of geological and geophysical surveys for the 2023 National seismic hazard model results in a GIS based analysis of soil distributions and liquefaction, susceptibility for the borough, and AM26-128-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-159-15

1965
02:40:30,090 --> 02:40:36,730
approval of additional utility relocation costs of $81,945 and $42 to end

1966
02:40:36,730 --> 02:40:41,310
starting after gas. Company for midway road service area streets improvement project.

1967
02:40:41,490 --> 02:40:47,550
Deputy Mayor. I moved to approve the as consent agenda as read into the record by the clerk.

1968
02:40:48,030 --> 02:40:49,090
Is there any objection?

1969
02:40:53,680 --> 02:41:00,520
I just realized that so I apologize, Madam Clerk.

1970
02:41:02,580 --> 02:41:03,240
That

1971
02:41:08,970 --> 02:41:15,770
am 26-128 is that third additional utility relocation costs for NSDAR that we had discussed

1972
02:41:15,770 --> 02:41:18,830
the last meeting that hadn't come before the assembly yet.

1973
02:41:18,910 --> 02:41:21,030
They would be grouped with the other two.

1974
02:41:21,690 --> 02:41:27,290
So this is utilities that were already spent in the Errolberg budget.

1975
02:41:27,570 --> 02:41:31,830
So I would like to divide the question and hand it out separately.

1976
02:41:32,430 --> 02:41:39,330
Okay, is there objections to a similar person similar to dividing the question?

1977
02:41:42,340 --> 02:41:49,960
We're going to take the empty mayors motion first to pass the bottom of our on the floor.

1978
02:41:50,140 --> 02:41:52,880
So the first segment would be, it doesn't need to be moved again.

1979
02:41:52,880 --> 02:41:56,760
The first segment is everything, but am 2628.

1980
02:41:57,100 --> 02:41:58,680
So nothing needs to be moved again.

1981
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:02,860
Okay, so is there any objection to moving everything?

1982
02:42:04,080 --> 02:42:11,720
except for 126-128-128 in the objection to movie

1983
02:42:11,720 --> 02:42:16,940
everything but 128. A similarly person bold.

1984
02:42:23,380 --> 02:42:25,020
Yes, Madam Mayor. Sorry. I

1985
02:42:25,020 --> 02:42:28,260
thought that we were also separating 26-125.

1986
02:42:31,290 --> 02:42:32,330
This is everything but

1987
02:42:32,330 --> 02:42:36,910
everything that got hold. This was everything that was on that was not

1988
02:42:36,910 --> 02:42:41,230
pulled already. We haven't gotten there yet. Okay. Yeah. So this is the previous

1989
02:42:41,230 --> 02:42:45,090
things or what we had to what? This is a fourth poll tonight, right?

1990
02:42:45,090 --> 02:42:49,790
You said move everything. Everything but yeah.

1991
02:42:51,930 --> 02:42:51,930
Okay.

1992
02:42:53,650 --> 02:43:01,630
So I don't hear any objections into the motion, so all of the but buts have been approved.

1993
02:43:02,450 --> 02:43:07,230
Okay. Now that I can segment Madam Mayor what's before the body right now is AMs 26128.

1994
02:43:07,230 --> 02:43:08,110
Okay.

1995
02:43:08,810 --> 02:43:13,750
Madam Mayor, I'd like to, as it possible to move this to after the unfinished business,

1996
02:43:15,590 --> 02:43:21,290
for along with the unfinished business, which is the other end start, utility relocation costs.

1997
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:24,830
Not allowable.

1998
02:43:25,270 --> 02:43:26,570
What had meant book?

1999
02:43:26,910 --> 02:43:28,010
Madam Mayor, it is allowable.

2000
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:30,230
There is four other things that I think that got pulled.

2001
02:43:30,530 --> 02:43:31,990
So I think that assembly members,

2002
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:34,710
if the governor's intent is to speak about all

2003
02:43:34,710 --> 02:43:36,710
agreement at the same time.

2004
02:43:38,210 --> 02:43:39,030
Is there any objection?

2005
02:43:39,930 --> 02:43:40,990
Well, just one suggestion.

2006
02:43:41,270 --> 02:43:43,410
I mean, the conversation we're going to have about this

2007
02:43:43,410 --> 02:43:46,470
and the other two.

2008
02:43:47,090 --> 02:43:49,090
Well, Mr. Cooper is here right now.

2009
02:43:49,750 --> 02:43:51,230
I guess we can do the other ones.

2010
02:43:51,470 --> 02:43:52,890
I was just thinking we could take that first

2011
02:43:52,890 --> 02:43:53,930
and let him go home.

2012
02:43:54,970 --> 02:43:57,290
But if we can't make a decision on the unfinished business

2013
02:43:57,910 --> 02:43:58,710
until we get there.

2014
02:43:58,970 --> 02:43:59,710
So anyway, sorry.

2015
02:43:59,710 --> 02:44:02,210
We're tracked all that and let's just continue.

2016
02:44:05,900 --> 02:44:08,320
So I don't think there is a objection.

2017
02:44:09,300 --> 02:44:10,200
Go ahead.

2018
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:14,360
So now we are back to give me a second.

2019
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:17,140
A.M. 26, 1119.

2020
02:44:17,980 --> 02:44:23,640
Award of bid number 2733 C to bronze northwest for the anticipated cost, not to exceed.

2021
02:44:24,980 --> 02:44:29,080
529,226 dollars to remount and refurbished two ambulances.

2022
02:44:29,420 --> 02:44:30,880
It was pulled by assembly member McKee.

2023
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:36,600
Okay, if I'm going to make you leave, would you please, and then be discussed?

2024
02:44:37,160 --> 02:44:40,880
I'm moving in 26-119 and I have a couple of questions about it.

2025
02:44:41,020 --> 02:44:41,280
Mm-hmm.

2026
02:44:41,320 --> 02:44:42,360
Please, talk.

2027
02:44:42,900 --> 02:44:47,320
And it would probably be for...

2028
02:44:47,320 --> 02:44:48,680
I can't imagine that again.

2029
02:44:49,180 --> 02:44:50,000
Do you want to come?

2030
02:44:52,140 --> 02:44:52,460
Yes.

2031
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:53,840
Okay.

2032
02:44:54,860 --> 02:44:56,240
If we can have staff, please.

2033
02:45:00,530 --> 02:45:04,710
I know that. Well, I knew the first name I couldn't get the last.

2034
02:45:05,370 --> 02:45:09,190
In Partly Director of Emergency Services. Good evening. Assembly and staff.

2035
02:45:10,450 --> 02:45:21,090
Just two questions. How many bidders were there on this? And I read the part that said that these people have always done. They give you exactly what you need.

2036
02:45:21,530 --> 02:45:27,290
And so I think I'll probably let that question go. I don't care how many bidders if their performance has always satisfied.

2037
02:45:27,290 --> 02:45:29,490
Why do you folks, what's the cost for a new one?

2038
02:45:29,490 --> 02:45:33,010
You have to use this because it's like a half a million dollars to accept your older ones.

2039
02:45:34,350 --> 02:45:39,030
Through the Mayor Assembly Member McKee, as you were aware, prices have gone up tremendously

2040
02:45:39,030 --> 02:45:41,890
for our fire apparatus, our ambulance, et cetera.

2041
02:45:43,890 --> 02:45:48,470
There are fire departments and emergency services departments that are shutting down because

2042
02:45:48,470 --> 02:45:51,270
their equipment is not adequate to be on the road.

2043
02:45:52,110 --> 02:45:56,510
This program, I believe this is fifth or sixth year we've been doing it, and it has saved

2044
02:45:56,510 --> 02:45:58,750
the borough of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

2045
02:45:59,670 --> 02:46:02,990
And if we were to buy a new one, I'm going to have to guess.

2046
02:46:04,110 --> 02:46:08,070
But we're looking anywhere between 400,000, maybe a little less,

2047
02:46:08,290 --> 02:46:09,290
for a new ambulance.

2048
02:46:09,950 --> 02:46:12,630
But it may not have the equipment that these have.

2049
02:46:12,630 --> 02:46:14,270
It may not be for wheel drive.

2050
02:46:15,270 --> 02:46:16,710
So those are the call savings.

2051
02:46:17,370 --> 02:46:22,130
And sticking with these brands, we don't have to stock as many

2052
02:46:22,130 --> 02:46:23,150
various parts.

2053
02:46:23,650 --> 02:46:25,730
And we have tires for them, etc.

2054
02:46:25,730 --> 02:46:28,510
So that's the huge savings for us.

2055
02:46:28,530 --> 02:46:33,630
As usual, you'll always make it an absolutely, I go on.

2056
02:46:33,770 --> 02:46:34,550
So thank you very much.

2057
02:46:34,890 --> 02:46:36,110
Thank you.

2058
02:46:41,290 --> 02:46:48,650
If further discussion on 119, any objection,

2059
02:46:51,220 --> 02:46:51,300
okay?

2060
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:56,580
And a M-26-119 has been approved, Madam Clerk.

2061
02:46:58,820 --> 02:47:04,120
AIM-26123 author is authorizing the manager to enter into a memorandum of agreement with the

2062
02:47:04,120 --> 02:47:08,320
last-based State Department of Transportation and Public Facilities for a driveway accessing

2063
02:47:08,320 --> 02:47:13,300
instruction of the left turn lane on church road for the American Charter Academy Project

2064
02:47:13,300 --> 02:47:15,820
bold by Assemblymember Sumner.

2065
02:47:17,320 --> 02:47:18,280
Would you move please?

2066
02:47:18,620 --> 02:47:18,680
Yeah.

2067
02:47:18,680 --> 02:47:20,980
I move AM-26-123.

2068
02:47:21,980 --> 02:47:22,500
Yeah.

2069
02:47:23,080 --> 02:47:25,880
I just had some questions for staff.

2070
02:47:27,060 --> 02:47:29,460
We're really just an explanation and an update on this.

2071
02:47:42,390 --> 02:47:43,110
Go ahead, sir.

2072
02:47:43,630 --> 02:47:44,030
Cool, Brandon.

2073
02:47:44,190 --> 02:47:45,510
Project Management Division Manager.

2074
02:47:46,550 --> 02:47:47,110
So, yeah.

2075
02:47:47,170 --> 02:47:51,830
So, we are working through the permit and process with DOT for this project.

2076
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:58,550
and what we're currently looking to, so the driveway permit itself is requiring left-turtling.

2077
02:47:59,510 --> 02:48:07,690
And we're currently working through a agreement with the DOT to include it into their pavement preservation project for church road.

2078
02:48:08,510 --> 02:48:19,670
The estimate that was provided in this legislation was for a stand-alone project, included a lot of cost for mobilization, surveying, erosion-setting control, and just the magnitude of the project.

2079
02:48:20,170 --> 02:48:26,010
So, for able to come to that agreement with DOT and execute that, that should bring cost down significantly.

2080
02:48:27,270 --> 02:48:36,010
And in the meantime, we're also working on, we haven't received it in writing yet, but a conditional approval to get that drive by constructed this year.

2081
02:48:36,830 --> 02:48:44,010
And then incorporate the work for the left turn lane into next year's work when they're doing the pavement preservation project.

2082
02:48:45,410 --> 02:48:54,330
So I guess this is maybe a question for the manager, but so hopefully the cost is lower, but this cost would be incorporated into hopefully next year's budget.

2083
02:48:55,470 --> 02:48:57,050
Through the mayor to Mr. Sumner.

2084
02:48:57,570 --> 02:49:04,550
Yeah, we're going to have to look at this likely have to look at this as an out of cycle potentially shining.

2085
02:49:04,750 --> 02:49:09,010
I've talked about a couple options for that right now where we can see what the actual cost essence will be.

2086
02:49:09,010 --> 02:49:12,470
The cost estimates that we're originally interested were extremely high.

2087
02:49:13,390 --> 02:49:16,170
We escalated this all the way to the DOT commissioner.

2088
02:49:16,910 --> 02:49:21,590
We had a detailed conversation and the numbers are, I mean, I don't want to stick to

2089
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:25,070
a hard number, but we're probably somewhere closer to like a quarter of a million dollars.

2090
02:49:25,650 --> 02:49:30,110
Maybe a little bit more, depending on if there's utility relocations required.

2091
02:49:30,610 --> 02:49:34,310
But DOT has been very accommodating to build it into the project so that although over

2092
02:49:34,310 --> 02:49:41,150
cost of a project like mobilization, traffic control, are all paid for by the church road

2093
02:49:41,150 --> 02:49:45,870
preservation project, and DOT is not looking to saddle us with those costs. So that should

2094
02:49:45,870 --> 02:49:50,610
help out significantly. And frankly, it turned lanes probably a pretty good idea long term.

2095
02:49:51,230 --> 02:49:55,110
So I think we're probably in the ballpark of about a quarter of a million, and we will bring

2096
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:59,890
that forward once we know that with more detail right now, because they actually have a...

2097
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:16,340
Contractor under contract to do that work makes summer. So they're getting hard numbers. It's not something we're going to have to go out and procure. It really has to do with just getting enough of a design done to make sure we've got the right way, and there's no utility relocations of significance that we'll have to own day get close.

2098
02:50:16,340 --> 02:50:21,680
And so I think they're likely will be potentially some.

2099
02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:25,420
Appropriation coming forward, we're worse for some additional funding.

2100
02:50:25,800 --> 02:50:30,380
But there's also some project funding that may be preserved to get at some of this.

2101
02:50:30,500 --> 02:50:33,480
We just don't know those until we have an estimate we won't know those exact numbers.

2102
02:50:34,540 --> 02:50:35,480
Go ahead and say.

2103
02:50:35,540 --> 02:50:36,760
I want more follow-up questions.

2104
02:50:37,640 --> 02:50:38,640
When is that school opening?

2105
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:43,260
So through the mayor it's going to open in November timeframe.

2106
02:50:43,260 --> 02:50:52,800
And that's the importance of the agreement, is because that leads us to a conditional approval where we get the driveway access now, even though we're not going to put the turn lane in right away.

2107
02:50:53,340 --> 02:50:57,660
And so that's the value of the agreement and the sensitivity is we need to be able to sign off on that.

2108
02:50:57,940 --> 02:51:03,080
So we can get the conditional approval to keep things on track so that the contractor has a permit to build the driveway.

2109
02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:13,700
is that the schools are helping pay part of the cost of these projects.

2110
02:51:14,420 --> 02:51:20,680
So is this turnling going to be included in the whatever the cost is?

2111
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:24,600
Is that, is some of that going to be borne by the American charter, potentially?

2112
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:33,210
So, through the mayor of Miss Nowers, keep in mind that projects are to build the

2113
02:51:33,210 --> 02:51:39,170
to, right, circulation, access, utilities, like it's an all-in proposition, right?

2114
02:51:39,470 --> 02:51:42,990
This isn't a deep project agreement from the state where there were off-site activities

2115
02:51:42,990 --> 02:51:43,490
limited.

2116
02:51:43,810 --> 02:51:47,750
Like we don't have another pot of money to address these needs, okay?

2117
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:53,770
I would say generally no, because what was in the bond proposition for American was a certain

2118
02:51:53,770 --> 02:51:54,110
number.

2119
02:51:54,230 --> 02:51:55,710
We already exceeded that number.

2120
02:51:55,710 --> 02:52:01,510
If you recall, they simply approved $900,000 transfer from birch tree because we're no longer

2121
02:52:01,510 --> 02:52:06,150
building a new birch tree school and that got moved to this project account so we're already

2122
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:12,550
using that money because that helped to address the water issue that we had with the treatment

2123
02:52:12,550 --> 02:52:16,890
sister and all that stuff so we've already we're already into that money that's the money we're

2124
02:52:16,890 --> 02:52:21,830
talking about using so if somebody came back from the school community and said X amount of number

2125
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:27,890
was in the bond they fully realized that for schools we actually brought more money to the project

2126
02:52:27,890 --> 02:52:32,010
to offset these unknowns, such as a turn lane and a water issue.

2127
02:52:32,990 --> 02:52:38,830
And so, as far as messaging to the schools, they're getting more than really what was originally

2128
02:52:38,830 --> 02:52:43,230
out there and available to them because there have been changes in other projects like

2129
02:52:43,230 --> 02:52:47,810
birch tree where we're no longer constructing, and that's already being made available to the

2130
02:52:47,810 --> 02:52:49,550
projects so we can keep the schedule on track.

2131
02:52:54,060 --> 02:53:02,700
I'm ready for their discussion on the motion, is there any objection to the motion?

2132
02:53:03,640 --> 02:53:05,200
Then the legislation passes.

2133
02:53:08,020 --> 02:53:12,160
A.M. 26125 awarded bid number 271, B.D.

2134
02:53:12,160 --> 02:53:19,000
Orient Instruction and the contract amount of $5,087,300 to construct a household hazardous

2135
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:19,840
waste facility.

2136
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:21,480
It was pulled by Assemblymember Sumner.

2137
02:53:22,120 --> 02:53:22,500
Okay.

2138
02:53:22,980 --> 02:53:24,680
Assemblymember Sumner, go ahead.

2139
02:53:24,680 --> 02:53:31,560
I am 26-125, not sorry, I moved, I am 26-125.

2140
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:33,360
You want to speak to it?

2141
02:53:33,720 --> 02:53:34,000
Yeah.

2142
02:53:34,860 --> 02:53:37,720
We had some public comments from a frequent flyer.

2143
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,700
I don't always agree with quite often, he's very wrong.

2144
02:53:42,680 --> 02:53:50,980
But in this case, since we had some growing pains with the opening of the new turn,

2145
02:53:50,980 --> 02:53:54,460
the new way skillhouse of the dump.

2146
02:53:54,780 --> 02:53:59,940
5.5 million is a lot of money for for walls in a roof to hold hazardous waste.

2147
02:54:00,440 --> 02:54:04,840
I've been to the dump and I've seen what they're working with right now and I don't deny

2148
02:54:04,840 --> 02:54:09,440
that it's necessary but that seems like a lot of money and this didn't really stick out

2149
02:54:09,440 --> 02:54:14,240
at me before tonight's meeting but then with the issues with the dump I would like to take

2150
02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:18,880
a close look at this so I would move to postpone this to collect more information on this

2151
02:54:18,880 --> 02:54:19,300
project.

2152
02:54:21,540 --> 02:54:24,780
Assemblymember, Senator, we do have to have a date.

2153
02:54:25,040 --> 02:54:28,480
Next, two meetings from now.

2154
02:54:28,760 --> 02:54:29,360
So, any left?

2155
02:54:29,360 --> 02:54:29,760
15.

2156
02:54:30,980 --> 02:54:31,340
September.

2157
02:54:31,760 --> 02:54:32,600
October 6.

2158
02:54:34,220 --> 02:54:35,560
Oh, I thought he said two weeks.

2159
02:54:45,380 --> 02:54:50,300
Discussion on the motion to postpone the assembly person.

2160
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:51,300
No, we're going to go ahead.

2161
02:54:51,300 --> 02:54:53,260
Didn't see anybody jump out of their seat.

2162
02:54:53,540 --> 02:54:57,140
So, I'm just asking if we don't approve this.

2163
02:54:57,140 --> 02:54:59,740
October, does that do anything to construction deadline?

2164
02:55:06,080 --> 02:55:10,940
So, currently where we're at, I don't believe it's going to have any major impact.

2165
02:55:11,400 --> 02:55:15,400
There'd be preferable, you know, put to the September 15th meeting, if I'm being honest.

2166
02:55:15,900 --> 02:55:19,260
So, we potentially have some opportunity to do work this year.

2167
02:55:20,140 --> 02:55:25,200
But where we're at in the season, it's questionable how much the contractors going to get down this year anyways.

2168
02:55:25,640 --> 02:55:30,880
I mean, it's a design bid build, so this is a construction bid.

2169
02:55:30,880 --> 02:55:31,640
Just

2170
02:55:35,320 --> 02:55:38,560
make a secondary amendment and move it to September 15th.

2171
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:40,760
Give time to look at it.

2172
02:55:41,580 --> 02:55:43,180
Some of the nurses are somewhere to go ahead.

2173
02:55:43,540 --> 02:55:46,780
I mean, I would err on the side of not spending taxpayer money on necessarily.

2174
02:55:47,920 --> 02:55:53,140
So if we don't get anything done this year, then we don't we have a continue using, you know, status quo.

2175
02:55:53,360 --> 02:55:56,580
Continue using the existing hazardous waste facility for a little bit longer.

2176
02:55:57,440 --> 02:56:01,160
Which is, I mean, we're using it right now.

2177
02:56:03,620 --> 02:56:08,420
I think that gives you two weeks to take a look at this so you can, you know, scan it

2178
02:56:08,420 --> 02:56:13,100
and potentially keep a project movie instead of more delay.

2179
02:56:13,700 --> 02:56:18,800
So I stick to the September 15th and I haven't seen the current facility and that's

2180
02:56:20,060 --> 02:56:21,580
woefully under done.

2181
02:56:21,680 --> 02:56:23,460
But I have no problem with additional questions.

2182
02:56:23,640 --> 02:56:28,620
I just think September 15th it gives you two weeks to take a look at it and analyze it

2183
02:56:28,620 --> 02:56:33,580
And we could potentially get some work done if, yeah, we don't change anything.

2184
02:56:34,740 --> 02:56:35,880
Can we approach those on there?

2185
02:56:38,840 --> 02:56:40,780
Yeah, but we're approaching the end of the construction season.

2186
02:56:40,920 --> 02:56:43,520
It's questionable that you can get any work done or not before the end of the construction season.

2187
02:56:43,660 --> 02:56:46,800
And we just saw the repercussions of what happens when you rush a project.

2188
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:50,560
And then the collapse is 30 inches in the ground.

2189
02:56:51,220 --> 02:56:53,720
So I'm going to stick with the October 6th.

2190
02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:00,080
So I think there must be an objection here.

2191
02:57:01,800 --> 02:57:06,280
So I can get the members to vote on the postponement to October 6.

2192
02:57:06,860 --> 02:57:07,220
No, no.

2193
02:57:08,320 --> 02:57:08,720
I'm sorry.

2194
02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:08,840
I'm sorry.

2195
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:10,600
I didn't hear you say I moved.

2196
02:57:10,900 --> 02:57:11,160
I'm sorry.

2197
02:57:12,520 --> 02:57:15,560
When you rewrite this, I'm going to reset it.

2198
02:57:22,610 --> 02:57:22,810
Okay.

2199
02:57:22,810 --> 02:57:23,590
Now I'm ready.

2200
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:24,590
Sorry, guys.

2201
02:57:26,250 --> 02:57:27,570
I need people to keep voting the whole time.

2202
02:57:27,630 --> 02:57:29,210
Let me get the vote out there first.

2203
02:57:29,950 --> 02:57:32,110
The amendment is to September 15.

2204
02:57:32,210 --> 02:57:33,410
And I'm sorry if you've already voted.

2205
02:57:33,630 --> 02:57:34,830
If you can vote again.

2206
02:57:38,100 --> 02:57:41,060
It failed to assembly member now in support,

2207
02:57:43,460 --> 02:57:44,760
and now we're back to 106

2208
02:57:44,760 --> 02:57:45,300
Manamere.

2209
02:57:46,680 --> 02:57:50,940
Is your objection to the assembly person bowls?

2210
02:57:55,650 --> 02:57:56,870
I just would like to speak to this.

2211
02:57:59,980 --> 02:58:02,920
I can fully support removing this project.

2212
02:58:03,400 --> 02:58:06,420
If there's appetite for that, I agree.

2213
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:08,020
We have a hazmat building.

2214
02:58:09,080 --> 02:58:15,340
So I'm going to vote no to postponing this so that we can vote yes to suspend this project.

2215
02:58:23,080 --> 02:58:29,880
I think we need to keep this project being forward. I mean, as I say something, as I said many

2216
02:58:29,880 --> 02:58:39,660
times, is the time to object was when we put this out to bid. But I mean, the characterization

2217
02:58:39,660 --> 02:58:45,600
that you just stick stuff in a landfill, you just cover it, is what we used to do, right?

2218
02:58:45,820 --> 02:58:50,820
And it's really expensive if you just do that, you don't do it wrong, you do it wrong.

2219
02:58:51,260 --> 02:58:55,200
That's why landfills have liners now and why lithium batteries catch on fire

2220
02:58:55,200 --> 02:58:59,780
and if you put stuff in there, it gets down into your water.

2221
02:59:00,220 --> 02:59:01,660
So I'm speaking to this.

2222
02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:11,940
So, you know, whether or not the five point, I do not have any objection to scrutinizing

2223
02:59:11,940 --> 02:59:17,660
a contract award, and if you find legitimate things that you think are out of whack, like

2224
02:59:17,660 --> 02:59:25,720
by all means bring those up, but to forego, building a quality hazardous waste facility to deal

2225
02:59:25,720 --> 02:59:30,760
with the material that comes in from the borough that cost us a lot of money if there isn't

2226
02:59:30,760 --> 02:59:38,220
disposal place would not be proved in at all. So I'll continue to support putting this on for October 6.

2227
02:59:39,220 --> 02:59:49,220
The discussion is on the postponement until October 6, right? And there is a objection? Is there a objection?

2228
02:59:50,460 --> 02:59:53,700
There is. Okay. I get the members to vote.

2229
02:59:58,270 --> 02:59:59,890
Madam Mayor, it has passed with a sentence.

2230
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,580
Remember both of those opposed? Okay. No.

2231
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:13,660
We have everything that we do back and get everything. I think we've got everything

2232
03:00:13,660 --> 03:00:16,980
that a mayor and we are moved on to unfinished business. Okay.

2233
03:00:21,900 --> 03:00:25,300
Okay, we're so we're on face business and

2234
03:00:25,300 --> 03:00:34,160
look what you read into the first item into the record. I am 26106 approval of additional utility

2235
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:41,740
relocation costs of $220,624 and $38 to end star natural gas for crimson view and heavenly

2236
03:00:41,740 --> 03:00:46,060
metal street improvements in the South Colony Road Service area.

2237
03:00:46,700 --> 03:00:52,100
Okay, the main motion is on the floor, so we'll continue to have the discussion.

2238
03:00:53,460 --> 03:00:54,340
Emily, listen, that was.

2239
03:00:55,800 --> 03:01:01,260
I know Mr. Cooper is here from NSTAR, and I would like to give him a chance to come up and

2240
03:01:01,260 --> 03:01:12,260
to these projects and the cost issues that they've had and also just allow for discussion about what we can do for future costs.

2241
03:01:12,960 --> 03:01:16,540
Okay, yes. Come forward, sir, please.

2242
03:01:17,940 --> 03:01:19,880
And he's been waiting a long time, so sorry.

2243
03:01:19,880 --> 03:01:20,480
You

2244
03:01:26,370 --> 03:01:29,190
get to that hit the button, you turn the mic on.

2245
03:01:32,070 --> 03:01:32,310
Good evening.

2246
03:01:33,150 --> 03:01:33,910
It's been a long day.

2247
03:01:34,050 --> 03:01:34,870
I've been up since five.

2248
03:01:35,370 --> 03:01:36,210
My name is Steve Cooper.

2249
03:01:36,810 --> 03:01:39,750
I'm the vice president of Operations Engineering for

2250
03:01:39,750 --> 03:01:40,770
Instor Natural Gas.

2251
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:42,430
Worked there for 37 years.

2252
03:01:43,350 --> 03:01:44,450
Born and raised in the valley here.

2253
03:01:46,670 --> 03:01:47,330
I'm a little bit about myself.

2254
03:01:47,530 --> 03:01:48,270
I started in the ditches.

2255
03:01:49,410 --> 03:01:50,350
Got myself in engineering school.

2256
03:01:51,530 --> 03:01:54,770
And moved up through the company managing construction projects.

2257
03:01:54,850 --> 03:01:56,150
Estimating construction projects.

2258
03:01:56,150 --> 03:01:59,210
So I know a lot about this type of work.

2259
03:02:01,510 --> 03:02:07,310
When Instar installs facilities in the right away, we have to get a permit from the

2260
03:02:07,310 --> 03:02:11,090
borough or from any other agency that controls that right away.

2261
03:02:12,450 --> 03:02:16,330
You guys have codes that dictate that.

2262
03:02:16,330 --> 03:02:19,310
So you're 1130-20 so that we can get a permit.

2263
03:02:19,310 --> 03:02:29,190
You're 11, 30, 80 states that the cost of relocation of utility located pursuant to a valid permit

2264
03:02:29,190 --> 03:02:34,790
as required by the borough for a public purpose shall be borne by the borough.

2265
03:02:35,050 --> 03:02:43,930
Okay, so that your statute states that if we have a valid permit, the cost of relocates us is borne by the borough.

2266
03:02:47,620 --> 03:02:49,980
We don't want to relocate our lines, honestly.

2267
03:02:49,980 --> 03:02:55,220
We put our lines in the ground. We want them to be there for the next 100 years.

2268
03:02:57,440 --> 03:02:58,620
That's what we want to do.

2269
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:03,980
But most of these lines that have been put in the ground were put back in the 80s and 90s.

2270
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:09,600
They put down on roads that were not developed at the time. They're right away. They're public right away.

2271
03:03:09,740 --> 03:03:13,940
But there's a cow trail in them and we're installing our gas lines.

2272
03:03:13,940 --> 03:03:18,030
By the permit at the out of five foot edge of the right away for feet deep

2273
03:03:19,040 --> 03:03:22,840
The bro puts out bids for construction to rebuild roads

2274
03:03:22,840 --> 03:03:24,980
You guys are widening roads

2275
03:03:24,980 --> 03:03:31,660
The deep predictions that impacts our facility and has to be replicated at no fault of us

2276
03:03:31,660 --> 03:03:33,640
It cost money to relocate utilities

2277
03:03:35,320 --> 03:03:39,980
That whole thing here was tired for the day

2278
03:03:39,980 --> 03:03:48,330
I want to talk about cost estimates because that's what's coming up with these jobs.

2279
03:03:49,350 --> 03:03:56,150
Instar, the Burl comes to Instar and Instar looks at your plans, decides what we need

2280
03:03:56,150 --> 03:04:03,450
to do to put our facilities, re-locate from the right away at the proper depth and whatever

2281
03:04:03,450 --> 03:04:09,430
we're going to avoid, your storm drains or ditching, and we take our best guess, you're looking

2282
03:04:09,430 --> 03:04:13,530
to plan, you're going out in the field, you're looking at these projects, you're getting

2283
03:04:13,530 --> 03:04:17,590
your best guess of how am I going to do this? I think it's going to take this much time,

2284
03:04:18,230 --> 03:04:24,150
it's going to take this much materials and we put that out as an estimate, as an estimate

2285
03:04:24,150 --> 03:04:30,110
of what it's going to take. When you guys put a public project out to bid to build a road,

2286
03:04:31,270 --> 03:04:36,630
you're getting a bid from a contractor to build that road. That contractor looks at that road,

2287
03:04:36,630 --> 03:04:38,370
What's going to cost me to build it?

2288
03:04:38,390 --> 03:04:41,470
What risk is involved that I build it?

2289
03:04:41,590 --> 03:04:44,550
You add to risk to his estimates, and he adds a profit margin.

2290
03:04:45,790 --> 03:04:48,270
Insta has no profit margin in our estimate.

2291
03:04:49,350 --> 03:04:51,790
We simply want to be repaid for what it cost

2292
03:04:51,790 --> 03:04:53,210
to relocate our solutions.

2293
03:04:53,750 --> 03:04:54,510
That's it.

2294
03:04:58,260 --> 03:04:58,540
Our estimates.

2295
03:04:58,540 --> 03:04:59,240
Let's...

2296
03:05:00,620 --> 03:05:06,620
A few of them on these projects didn't reflect the actual work that had to be done.

2297
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:14,720
Honestly, at the end. Then the day we look at these jobs and like, wow, this was a lot more work than what was estimated by our engineers.

2298
03:05:16,720 --> 03:05:20,240
The wages weren't correct in the estimate also.

2299
03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:26,580
When NSTAR has to work on a public project, we have to pay a day of spaken wage, stay

2300
03:05:26,580 --> 03:05:27,100
at law.

2301
03:05:27,840 --> 03:05:35,660
The estimates reflected a union wage between union and day of spaken, it's about $3 different

2302
03:05:35,660 --> 03:05:36,200
wages.

2303
03:05:37,100 --> 03:05:47,380
So that's one instance, and then it's a time frame in those estimates or not adequate to what actually took place in the field.

2304
03:05:52,530 --> 03:05:56,450
I listened to the last assembly meeting.

2305
03:05:57,110 --> 03:06:02,890
There was talks about how our contractors are so more expensive.

2306
03:06:04,490 --> 03:06:12,470
If you look at our, if you look at our estimating process, which, it's the same for

2307
03:06:12,470 --> 03:06:18,090
Matthew Burroughs, the same for the DOT, we estimate based on how many hours it would take

2308
03:06:18,090 --> 03:06:23,010
for our employees to do the job, so there's an hourly wage and then there's an overhead

2309
03:06:23,010 --> 03:06:26,710
rate that goes with that number of hours.

2310
03:06:26,710 --> 03:06:31,950
that overhead rate pays for procurement, accounting,

2311
03:06:32,930 --> 03:06:36,810
pays for warehouse, pays for transportation vehicles,

2312
03:06:37,270 --> 03:06:38,930
pays for our equipment, pays for our trucks,

2313
03:06:39,010 --> 03:06:40,010
our tools or generators.

2314
03:06:40,610 --> 03:06:45,930
It's all inclusive in that overhead rate with power,

2315
03:06:46,690 --> 03:06:47,010
hourly rate.

2316
03:06:47,990 --> 03:06:51,890
So if you put those together, rough numbers,

2317
03:06:52,370 --> 03:06:53,730
two hundred and seventy dollars an hour,

2318
03:06:53,730 --> 03:06:57,270
and start to show up with one person to do a job.

2319
03:06:58,710 --> 03:07:00,750
Our contractor rates are different.

2320
03:07:02,010 --> 03:07:04,090
I've been building contract work.

2321
03:07:04,550 --> 03:07:06,730
Contractors for DR work for the last 20 years.

2322
03:07:08,950 --> 03:07:12,070
Contractors get paid by the piece of equipment.

2323
03:07:13,330 --> 03:07:15,350
So, contractor shows up with a piece of equipment.

2324
03:07:16,470 --> 03:07:16,990
They have equipment.

2325
03:07:17,570 --> 03:07:20,490
They have a day of spaken operator and they have a fuel charge.

2326
03:07:21,010 --> 03:07:22,230
All combined into one.

2327
03:07:22,230 --> 03:07:29,570
So that if you look at a 320 excavator, that 320 excavator with all that is about 150 bucks an hour, okay

2328
03:07:29,570 --> 03:07:40,170
If you go rent an excavator that size personally, it's gonna cost you $125 an hour and you'll have to fuel it and then you're got to operate

2329
03:07:41,890 --> 03:07:43,320
Just put numbers together

2330
03:07:46,330 --> 03:07:46,790
So

2331
03:07:48,330 --> 03:07:50,490
I've been doing this for a long time

2332
03:07:50,490 --> 03:07:54,030
I mean, you know, whether and start does the work in-house, or

2333
03:07:54,030 --> 03:07:58,350
or in-start does the work with contractors, contractors are generally,

2334
03:07:58,930 --> 03:08:02,090
although cheaper to do the work than our house staff.

2335
03:08:02,350 --> 03:08:05,970
And our in-house staff has all kinds of other work that they have to do

2336
03:08:05,970 --> 03:08:06,890
to maintain our facilities.

2337
03:08:07,610 --> 03:08:09,330
They have to go respond to line breaks.

2338
03:08:09,890 --> 03:08:13,730
So if they're on a borough project, relocating a gas line,

2339
03:08:14,530 --> 03:08:18,450
and we have some, someone, damage our lines, they're leaving that job,

2340
03:08:18,450 --> 03:08:25,730
to fix the line and come back to read your project, which could be on over time, or postponed

2341
03:08:26,290 --> 03:08:27,310
however many days.

2342
03:08:29,530 --> 03:08:36,410
If we look at the Crimson view, I can't remember which one that one is.

2343
03:08:36,510 --> 03:08:41,610
That was a subdivision, it's 1985 bill for us when we put the mains in.

2344
03:08:41,650 --> 03:08:45,350
That's when the first house is winning that subdivision, it's right down the road here across

2345
03:08:45,350 --> 03:08:47,550
in Fairgrounds.

2346
03:08:47,590 --> 03:08:50,570
When that subdivision went in, it was probably gravel roads,

2347
03:08:51,450 --> 03:08:54,650
not developed, new housing, no landscaping,

2348
03:08:54,830 --> 03:08:55,290
no nothing.

2349
03:08:56,830 --> 03:09:01,150
41 years later, when we went to relocate this,

2350
03:09:01,570 --> 03:09:02,950
which probably wasn't an estimate,

2351
03:09:04,290 --> 03:09:07,370
wasn't looked at properly, but every driveway is paved.

2352
03:09:07,750 --> 03:09:08,750
The roads paved.

2353
03:09:09,350 --> 03:09:12,970
There's existing utilities in there that we have to dig around.

2354
03:09:13,630 --> 03:09:19,530
The Burroughs dig in a three-foot ditch, which means for a 48, we have to go down 7 feet.

2355
03:09:20,470 --> 03:09:24,270
Digging around the utilities, you know, we can't dig within 2 feet of locate mark.

2356
03:09:24,990 --> 03:09:30,290
You have to use shovels, air knives, vacuum extractors, to protect those facilities.

2357
03:09:31,490 --> 03:09:34,850
We're the first ones on the job in that subdivision.

2358
03:09:36,170 --> 03:09:38,830
Homeowners, you know, are enjoying their day.

2359
03:09:38,830 --> 03:09:42,110
We show up, we're ripping through their subdivision.

2360
03:09:43,070 --> 03:09:46,550
We don't generally, on state jobs we would never do that.

2361
03:09:46,730 --> 03:09:51,190
State jobs has a contractor goes in and blows out the asphalt, blows out the road.

2362
03:09:51,570 --> 03:09:52,590
It gets it all ready to go.

2363
03:09:52,690 --> 03:09:54,870
We go in and we look at our facilities in the rural project.

2364
03:09:55,210 --> 03:09:58,250
We're there first. We're digging asphalt. We're digging culverts.

2365
03:09:59,070 --> 03:09:59,850
We're digging.

2366
03:10:00,140 --> 03:10:20,600
In tight areas where the material has to go on the pavement, okay? We have to backfill off the pavement, which is another piece of equipment, and then we have stormwater pollution prevention measures, or we have to keep that pavement clear, and no dust, no dirt, tracking, and more. There's a lot more out of costs to do and work like that.

2367
03:10:21,800 --> 03:10:26,520
That job we estimated 12 days, it took 21 days.

2368
03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:32,800
Like Brown, Tom Adams, this year last week or last Sunday meeting, they're not

2369
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:34,260
contesting the work that we did.

2370
03:10:34,420 --> 03:10:35,540
We did the work.

2371
03:10:36,200 --> 03:10:39,600
It cost more money than we thought was going to cost.

2372
03:10:40,680 --> 03:10:41,920
Based on an estimate.

2373
03:10:44,970 --> 03:10:49,910
If we step back a few years, step back when I was an engineer,

2374
03:10:49,910 --> 03:10:58,810
Or even up to, I think, 2023, the contract paperwork that the Burl signed to relocate facilities was our people.

2375
03:10:59,730 --> 03:11:01,710
Our paperwork is based on the DOT paperwork.

2376
03:11:02,490 --> 03:11:12,530
It's a time materials contract, it's an estimated cost, and the cost are borne by the agency that is requiring us to relocate.

2377
03:11:13,130 --> 03:11:26,110
This new paperwork that I'm aware of now, that the Brod drafted, I think, in 25, 24 has, and it's not my sign.

2378
03:11:27,070 --> 03:11:30,570
Most of these relocation projects are below my level, I need approval.

2379
03:11:31,270 --> 03:11:37,170
Now I'm aware of them, but they have a, you know, not to exceed 15% more coverage.

2380
03:11:38,790 --> 03:11:39,890
That doesn't work for end star.

2381
03:11:39,890 --> 03:11:46,330
You know, cost-causer is cost-pair, that's the utility model.

2382
03:11:47,330 --> 03:11:52,550
Just like we run in main extensions to homes, we run server-slides to homes, we do LIDs,

2383
03:11:52,910 --> 03:11:56,690
the cost-causer is cost-pair, we need utility model.

2384
03:11:58,590 --> 03:12:04,190
So any time someone wants gas or needs relocation work done, they pay for that cost, because

2385
03:12:04,190 --> 03:12:06,250
we don't make money on infrastructure.

2386
03:12:06,250 --> 03:12:10,370
We make money transporting gas to customers.

2387
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:18,360
The midway states, that's the one we just brought up here.

2388
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:21,980
That's an interesting one when I started asking questions.

2389
03:12:22,560 --> 03:12:25,700
That's a 23 project that ends dark and pleaded

2390
03:12:25,700 --> 03:12:26,340
every location.

2391
03:12:27,700 --> 03:12:30,560
It went out to construction in 2025.

2392
03:12:31,260 --> 03:12:35,140
We had to go relocate some of the stuff that we'd already

2393
03:12:35,140 --> 03:12:39,220
because it would drain its changes on the project, that construction.

2394
03:12:40,660 --> 03:12:44,460
It also, because of that relocation, we had to do it an extra,

2395
03:12:44,460 --> 03:12:47,320
as a horizontal direction, a little more on the project.

2396
03:12:47,620 --> 03:12:50,900
So that added more cost to that project, exceeded the estimate.

2397
03:12:51,720 --> 03:12:55,260
These are things that happen in the field where on the job site,

2398
03:12:55,980 --> 03:13:02,080
trying to figure out how to get things done, cost, escalate to get the job done.

2399
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:08,880
Because, really, I don't have the ability to stop and say, well, I can't do this job anymore,

2400
03:13:09,360 --> 03:13:10,200
but I'm halfway done.

2401
03:13:11,160 --> 03:13:12,960
I have to provide my customer service.

2402
03:13:13,360 --> 03:13:14,660
I have to maintain service.

2403
03:13:18,460 --> 03:13:23,640
The Helen Lane, it's another tight subdivision like Crimson View.

2404
03:13:25,800 --> 03:13:29,420
Those homeers talking to my contractor were a very hostile.

2405
03:13:30,740 --> 03:13:35,140
The Clarencochurch came in for them and cleared that subdivision,

2406
03:13:35,140 --> 03:13:37,300
and those homeowners didn't want that project done.

2407
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:40,700
We came in there and they were very hostile to our contractors.

2408
03:13:41,600 --> 03:13:42,280
It was tight.

2409
03:13:42,700 --> 03:13:44,020
There was nowhere to put material.

2410
03:13:44,360 --> 03:13:46,860
There was nowhere to store equipment overnight.

2411
03:13:47,460 --> 03:13:50,900
With a mobile and demo every day, it took longer.

2412
03:13:55,240 --> 03:13:56,600
It didn't take longer and days.

2413
03:13:56,740 --> 03:13:59,160
It just took more hours during the day to get things done.

2414
03:13:59,320 --> 03:13:59,940
So we could be productive.

2415
03:14:01,660 --> 03:14:04,200
Those are those three jobs that you have up here.

2416
03:14:06,300 --> 03:14:08,380
I'm sorry our estimates weren't accurate.

2417
03:14:09,460 --> 03:14:11,360
To reflect the work that was actually done.

2418
03:14:12,080 --> 03:14:13,080
We've done better.

2419
03:14:16,020 --> 03:14:18,140
I don't know if any of you are business owners,

2420
03:14:18,840 --> 03:14:22,300
but keeping people employed in this economy is hard.

2421
03:14:23,240 --> 03:14:26,180
Our engineering department, I swear every three years

2422
03:14:27,280 --> 03:14:34,280
Revolving door, because an engineer comes to the gas company, gets gas experience, oil and gas

2423
03:14:34,280 --> 03:14:40,200
experience where they go on or slow, bill court, conical, someone's taking them up, so

2424
03:14:40,200 --> 03:14:45,380
we're constantly in this redevelopment phase with engineers.

2425
03:14:47,020 --> 03:14:52,700
I got a brand new engineering manager, a brand new supervisor, season employees that

2426
03:14:52,700 --> 03:14:57,900
start, but they've moved up in the company. I've got a good couple engineers. I'm looking

2427
03:14:57,900 --> 03:14:59,600
for another engineer after this.

2428
03:15:00,720 --> 03:15:30,700
So we revamped all our estimates. You guys seen that last time. There's the projects that have a gone construction. We looked at every estimate. Make sure they were accurate. Make sure we're not going to go over those budgets. The other thing that we've done in start, because of this, is I'm working again daily. Construction reports sent to our planner so that they can input that data into a spreadsheet, and we're going to do that.

2429
03:15:30,700 --> 03:15:37,740
know where we're at every day on a project so we can notify the world if there's an issue.

2430
03:15:38,940 --> 03:15:42,960
But like I said, there's an issue and I have a three-day job in terms of the four-day job.

2431
03:15:43,780 --> 03:15:47,900
I've blown 15% but I can't stop. I have to get serves to my customers.

2432
03:15:53,290 --> 03:15:58,250
I have lots to talk about but it's late and I'll be so for the questions if you have any.

2433
03:16:03,460 --> 03:16:17,720
So, thank you for coming down. I really appreciate it. I mean, it shows that you're concerned for the company and respect for us, so I appreciate you, especially since you got up at five in the morning, so I'm impressed that you're still standing.

2434
03:16:19,560 --> 03:16:27,060
I did pull this, you know, I understand the work being hard and all the things they go

2435
03:16:27,060 --> 03:16:36,080
with the issue for the burrow is being able to be responsible for costs to our taxpayers.

2436
03:16:37,440 --> 03:16:43,860
And in this case, like the Crimson View Project, this is not, you know, at the end of the

2437
03:16:43,860 --> 03:16:53,060
an extra 200,000, that is coming from, so this was 164,000, and it ballooned an additional

2438
03:16:53,060 --> 03:17:00,120
220,000, that money is coming from France Road, which leads to a valley school where the

2439
03:17:00,120 --> 03:17:07,460
guardrail is falling off the road, and they desperately need a traffic signal. So the inability

2440
03:17:07,460 --> 03:17:15,720
to contain costs has a real cost for the taxpayer out here and that is there's a

2441
03:17:15,720 --> 03:17:23,140
long list of projects behind France Road that are all in need. So I'm looking at it

2442
03:17:23,140 --> 03:17:30,360
really from the standpoint of what can we do better as a borough and I got to admit

2443
03:17:30,360 --> 03:17:36,320
that you know when this like your example of you know we're on a three day project in

2444
03:17:36,320 --> 03:17:42,080
four days, that's one thing, but like all the contracts we put out per road projects, they have a

2445
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:46,680
a cost-containment percentage that if you look like you're going to go over that you have a conversation

2446
03:17:46,680 --> 03:17:55,280
with the borough and sometimes it comes back to this body. So right now, you know, like I don't,

2447
03:17:55,320 --> 03:18:06,260
I don't, if we're not having any sort of responsibility for the utility to, you know,

2448
03:18:06,260 --> 03:18:12,060
So let us know, let the burrow know when something's going way over or looks off, I don't

2449
03:18:12,060 --> 03:18:18,680
know how we responsibly keep cost containment because if we don't know what's happening

2450
03:18:18,680 --> 03:18:25,140
and then you just hand us a bill and say we made an error, that's hard to deal with.

2451
03:18:25,760 --> 03:18:31,640
So I'm looking for ways that if this 15% signing a contract that says we'll let you know

2452
03:18:31,640 --> 03:18:34,120
when we're going to go over 15% as a problem,

2453
03:18:34,500 --> 03:18:41,220
like what cost, what do we have at the end of the day, right?

2454
03:18:42,040 --> 03:18:45,160
What, you know, from the higher instant point

2455
03:18:45,160 --> 03:18:49,980
of doing these projects, how can we manage them?

2456
03:18:50,480 --> 03:18:55,240
Like I said, we're implementing some more costs tracking.

2457
03:18:56,220 --> 03:18:58,540
So we can know where we're at with these projects

2458
03:18:58,540 --> 03:19:01,000
before we go to older budget.

2459
03:19:03,540 --> 03:19:05,120
I'm really interested in some of them.

2460
03:19:06,320 --> 03:19:08,540
Yeah, I was just going to add that if you want to make sure

2461
03:19:08,540 --> 03:19:13,420
that these costs balloon, then insist on stopping the middle of the project,

2462
03:19:13,540 --> 03:19:16,720
to wait for a government body to make a decision on whether to continue

2463
03:19:16,720 --> 03:19:20,520
proceeding with what you have to do and has required for the project.

2464
03:19:26,180 --> 03:19:27,680
I'm doing these questions.

2465
03:19:29,960 --> 03:19:31,260
That makes sense to me, right?

2466
03:19:32,020 --> 03:19:33,040
Yeah, you know, having to wait a month.

2467
03:19:33,240 --> 03:19:34,320
That doesn't make any sense.

2468
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:40,440
But there's great, as it exists, if nothing is signed,

2469
03:19:42,060 --> 03:19:46,400
you just hit us with 200,000 extra, and it was an error,

2470
03:19:46,600 --> 03:19:50,080
like no contractor would be able, like if that happened to me personally,

2471
03:19:51,060 --> 03:19:52,280
we'd be working out a deal.

2472
03:19:53,260 --> 03:19:58,620
And so, on left with the 15% the, you know, the notification doesn't work,

2473
03:19:58,980 --> 03:19:59,860
but I don't hear-

2474
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,080
Anything different. And so that's when I look at, you know, it comes like, you know, is our structure, the way we structure these contracts, the way we structure these projects, are we having the right incentives, do we need to look at something else, where we, we don't put utilities in the right of ways, because they're so expensive, so we don't end up in this, you know, how, how can we, what can we do to have some kind of assurance that we're.

2475
03:20:30,680 --> 03:20:39,300
Going to keep these projects within an amount that we know what we're going to pay and not just get a bill and we got to pay it at the end of the day.

2476
03:20:40,000 --> 03:20:43,230
I'd like to address your right-of-way question there.

2477
03:20:44,420 --> 03:20:45,840
And we talked about this.

2478
03:20:46,720 --> 03:20:49,260
So, answer answer gas is regulated by the federal government.

2479
03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:53,600
We're regulated by pipeline hazardous material safety administration.

2480
03:20:54,120 --> 03:20:57,540
They dictate the maintenance and code requirements that we have to do.

2481
03:20:57,540 --> 03:21:03,860
Our pipelines have to be leaked surveyed every five years.

2482
03:21:04,420 --> 03:21:10,780
We have to walk those lines and have access to them so that we can determine if there's leaks.

2483
03:21:11,600 --> 03:21:13,580
Our transmission lines have to be done every year.

2484
03:21:14,000 --> 03:21:18,540
So I got 1,200 miles of mains and transmission lines in the Mats Hubero.

2485
03:21:20,040 --> 03:21:24,440
So every five years, I'm on a rotating cycle so I can make that work.

2486
03:21:25,000 --> 03:21:26,420
But we have to go through every line.

2487
03:21:27,000 --> 03:21:32,240
And Star is already having so many access problems on private property.

2488
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:34,840
Just trying to get to our meter set.

2489
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:36,960
We have customers pulling guns on us.

2490
03:21:37,060 --> 03:21:39,000
We have customers threatening our employees.

2491
03:21:40,820 --> 03:21:44,780
It's really hard to access people's properties.

2492
03:21:44,920 --> 03:21:46,640
And if you haven't eased on someone's property,

2493
03:21:47,320 --> 03:21:48,880
that doesn't mean they can't do anything there.

2494
03:21:48,980 --> 03:21:49,780
They can put the fence.

2495
03:21:49,980 --> 03:21:51,120
They can do landscaping.

2496
03:21:51,280 --> 03:21:52,060
They can plant trees.

2497
03:21:52,680 --> 03:21:53,940
They can block our access.

2498
03:21:54,080 --> 03:21:55,640
And we have to get the cops there to get in.

2499
03:21:55,640 --> 03:22:02,180
I can't have that to make my mandated federal code requirements

2500
03:22:02,180 --> 03:22:03,420
that I have to do on maintenance.

2501
03:22:04,240 --> 03:22:08,200
The other aspect of that is, last year we had

2502
03:22:08,200 --> 03:22:11,640
199 damages throughout our system, underground damages.

2503
03:22:12,740 --> 03:22:14,660
71 of those were in the valley.

2504
03:22:16,400 --> 03:22:20,040
21% of those were homeowners on private property

2505
03:22:20,040 --> 03:22:21,520
damaging our service lines.

2506
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:26,560
And the scary fact is that 47% of those didn't call for locates.

2507
03:22:27,320 --> 03:22:30,320
They're just digging in their property, hitting our gas lines.

2508
03:22:31,420 --> 03:22:32,680
It's a big problem.

2509
03:22:33,000 --> 03:22:36,620
And if I have my main lines that are serving hundreds,

2510
03:22:37,060 --> 03:22:41,340
the thousands of customers in an easement, behind a fence,

2511
03:22:42,500 --> 03:22:45,860
and they're not calling for locates, that's going to cause a public safety hazard.

2512
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:50,260
So we locate in the right of way.

2513
03:22:50,260 --> 03:22:59,600
We've always located the right away in courts and laws allow us to do that with the permission of the agency that has the right away giving us a permit.

2514
03:23:02,340 --> 03:23:10,400
We spent, in last five years, $136,000 on permits in the Matt Subaru, to allow us to put our pipelines there.

2515
03:23:10,400 --> 03:23:11,200
I

2516
03:23:15,010 --> 03:23:22,610
think I just continue, like these utility brokerations are just a huge portion of the

2517
03:23:22,610 --> 03:23:32,830
road costs and road costs are driving this borough to an extreme amount of cost, and the

2518
03:23:32,830 --> 03:23:38,510
taxpayer is saying we don't want to pay anymore in private taxes, and the road service

2519
03:23:38,510 --> 03:23:41,290
area is the one that pays the road costs.

2520
03:23:41,290 --> 03:24:10,750
So there's no other pot of money when these projects ballooned over and I just am not comfortable with something that is just an open ended like I don't feel like that it open ended in terms of whatever the cost will be it will be and we'll let you know at the end of the project that doesn't feel like a comfortable position for the person overseeing the cost at the burrow so I'm looking for something a little more if the 15% doesn't work that's fine.

2521
03:24:10,750 --> 03:24:13,350
And I'm also looking for, is there something we can do better

2522
03:24:13,350 --> 03:24:15,370
as a borough to make these projects,

2523
03:24:15,710 --> 03:24:20,030
and maybe this is a discussion beyond at 9.40 at night,

2524
03:24:20,610 --> 03:24:22,870
but to make these projects smoother,

2525
03:24:23,330 --> 03:24:24,650
so we don't have the kind of hiccups

2526
03:24:24,650 --> 03:24:27,230
that lead to the cost overruns,

2527
03:24:27,410 --> 03:24:28,790
because at the end of the day,

2528
03:24:28,810 --> 03:24:30,410
if that money is available, we can get

2529
03:24:30,410 --> 03:24:35,250
to some of these road projects that desperately need to be done.

2530
03:24:37,500 --> 03:24:38,880
Family moans somewhere.

2531
03:24:40,660 --> 03:24:44,500
Yeah, I was just going to say that thanks for coming.

2532
03:24:45,340 --> 03:24:50,020
He made an detailed explanation of what cost the cost of a run on each of these projects,

2533
03:24:51,740 --> 03:24:54,720
and also said that they're going to do better, and the measures that he's going to implement

2534
03:24:54,720 --> 03:24:55,760
to do better.

2535
03:24:56,360 --> 03:24:59,840
That's, you know, satisfied me, and I'd also like to, you know, point out that.

2536
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:05,680
I don't think any of these guys have extra vision, and these are 40 something year old lines that are buried in the ground.

2537
03:25:07,200 --> 03:25:17,000
So, I move dirt for a living. I don't think that you do misnowers, but sometimes, time of materials is the only way that you can do a job.

2538
03:25:17,740 --> 03:25:25,500
And that's the case here. There is no profit. There is no fat built into these costs.

2539
03:25:25,500 --> 03:25:31,580
You know, if you, so, yeah, I think this satisfies any of my concerns, and I would

2540
03:25:31,580 --> 03:25:32,940
call the question.

2541
03:25:40,100 --> 03:25:41,040
I have to.

2542
03:25:42,060 --> 03:25:45,600
Assembly person D, do you have an objection to calling the question?

2543
03:25:45,860 --> 03:25:48,340
Yeah, because I just had a comment to make.

2544
03:25:48,860 --> 03:25:49,360
Okay, I do that.

2545
03:25:49,520 --> 03:25:50,340
Okay, then I'm calling.

2546
03:25:50,740 --> 03:25:52,800
You can just object in there.

2547
03:25:53,320 --> 03:25:56,280
So, I can get the members to go ahead and vote on calling on question.

2548
03:26:02,900 --> 03:26:03,860
Assemblymember McKee,

2549
03:26:08,610 --> 03:26:12,990
Madam Mayor, it has failed with Assemblymember Sumner, Gamble and Bulls in support.

2550
03:26:14,790 --> 03:26:18,110
So, Assemblymember McKee, now you can discuss?

2551
03:26:19,270 --> 03:26:21,730
I have to tell you, I've listened to a lot of technical presentations.

2552
03:26:22,010 --> 03:26:24,930
Yours is the clearest I've heard in how long it might have been on the Assembly.

2553
03:26:25,210 --> 03:26:27,510
It absolutely answered every question that I have.

2554
03:26:27,750 --> 03:26:29,730
I understand this now is concerns.

2555
03:26:30,690 --> 03:26:34,370
These things change order things drive us crazy because it doesn't

2556
03:26:34,370 --> 03:26:38,770
It's not like we just take it out of the pot and the boroughs and take it out of the people's pockets out there.

2557
03:26:39,310 --> 03:26:46,670
But I really appreciate the way you present it at the end of the thing I really like is that you are willing to say, yep, we screwed up a little bit here on our estimates.

2558
03:26:47,110 --> 03:26:51,130
And we're actually have a plan going forward to do better so as far as I'm concerned.

2559
03:26:52,170 --> 03:27:00,390
I'd give it a go. I think it's what other choice do you or we have, because that's how life is, it's uncertain stuff happens.

2560
03:27:05,030 --> 03:27:07,030
Some of my person follow-up?

2561
03:27:07,930 --> 03:27:08,690
I'll ask a question.

2562
03:27:08,990 --> 03:27:15,170
I guess when you do an estimate and then you realize that took you a lot quicker than

2563
03:27:15,170 --> 03:27:16,530
what you thought.

2564
03:27:17,730 --> 03:27:21,270
How often, I don't know, does do we still stick to the estimated price?

2565
03:27:22,150 --> 03:27:24,670
Or do we actually get and then do we have any historic

2566
03:27:25,190 --> 03:27:28,890
data when how often you're under and how often you're off,

2567
03:27:28,890 --> 03:27:32,410
if you ought to be transparent with us, I guess,

2568
03:27:32,410 --> 03:27:37,890
because I guess we'd like to see it half and it goes the other way.

2569
03:27:38,330 --> 03:27:40,830
Yeah, I don't have that information with me right now.

2570
03:27:41,370 --> 03:27:43,770
As far as which way it goes.

2571
03:27:47,080 --> 03:27:47,740
Yeah, I don't think.

2572
03:27:48,700 --> 03:27:49,900
We'll finally ask lady there.

2573
03:27:50,060 --> 03:27:52,920
I just thought that would be good to know for a comparison,

2574
03:27:53,220 --> 03:27:55,960
because if you know a lot of times you guys estimated

2575
03:27:55,960 --> 03:27:57,380
and then we got a lower price.

2576
03:27:57,840 --> 03:27:58,440
Okay, good.

2577
03:27:58,540 --> 03:28:00,460
But then when this thing happens,

2578
03:28:00,840 --> 03:28:02,980
I guess more acceptable because then we understand

2579
03:28:02,980 --> 03:28:08,080
there's not a pattern always having an estimate and then going up specific to maximize that

2580
03:28:08,080 --> 03:28:14,780
thing so I guess that's that was just my I guess question yeah we don't you don't pay

2581
03:28:14,780 --> 03:28:19,600
based on estimate you pay an actual cost for the project

2582
03:28:23,150 --> 03:28:25,950
yeah I guess in construction I am a

2583
03:28:25,950 --> 03:28:31,290
general contractor you get an estimate and I don't remember ever last time somebody came

2584
03:28:31,290 --> 03:28:36,570
and said, hey, it took me quicker, here's $1,000 less than what I estimated.

2585
03:28:38,010 --> 03:28:43,570
However, oftentimes, he, hey, it took a longer dose of, for

2586
03:28:43,570 --> 03:28:46,530
seen stroke of senses or things like that, and the new pay more.

2587
03:28:47,590 --> 03:28:52,650
So I guess that's just my experience with the estimates.

2588
03:28:53,430 --> 03:29:00,150
So I'd hope that when you overestimated it, we also get a, not a discount, but I guess the

2589
03:29:00,150 --> 03:29:01,590
correct prize that we should have been charged.

2590
03:29:05,840 --> 03:29:29,080
I guess at that point, you know, when you maybe I don't move dirt for living, but I deal with a lot of contractors and you have overages and you know, it might go over 20% but this was, I mean, this was off by a factor of 130% and so if a contractor came to me like it would be nice for the sake of the road service area that's affected by this extra 220,000.

2591
03:29:29,080 --> 03:29:36,080
If in start, since it wasn't estimating error and it wasn't just a little estimating error was a large one to

2592
03:29:37,300 --> 03:29:44,400
you know, meet us somewhat of the way there and then because it wasn't a small one

2593
03:29:44,400 --> 03:29:47,020
and it's had a big impact on the RSA.

2594
03:29:47,760 --> 03:29:54,980
So it was an estimating error for us to do the job of what we thought it was going to take to do the job.

2595
03:29:54,980 --> 03:29:59,780
the job took longer. Our rate payers are your tax payers.

2596
03:30:00,430 --> 03:30:12,330
But I have more rate pairs than you have tax pairs. I cannot, as a utility, absorb, costs, and charge them all my

2597
03:30:12,330 --> 03:30:15,290
rate pairs. Because it's not fair.

2598
03:30:15,410 --> 03:30:22,390
And I do understand that. But on the same hand, to stand up for the road service area, people who

2599
03:30:22,390 --> 03:30:28,790
pay taxes that go towards that, they are being asked to absorb an extra $220,000 cost that they

2600
03:30:28,790 --> 03:30:35,350
might have done something differently had they known, and you acknowledge that NSTAR made

2601
03:30:35,350 --> 03:30:40,270
it, not just like we didn't know it would be this much effort, but there was an estimating

2602
03:30:40,270 --> 03:30:47,750
error on NSTAR's part, and we weren't able to adapt to it at all. So, nice to have some

2603
03:30:47,750 --> 03:30:54,990
kind of mutual consideration for that road service area, because they can't go anywhere else.

2604
03:30:56,530 --> 03:31:06,550
So reserve injection assembly person Gamble go ahead. Yeah, I got away on this so I'm I'm really surprised that you didn't have in place before

2605
03:31:07,710 --> 03:31:09,650
a program where

2606
03:31:09,650 --> 03:31:11,790
when you're going over estimates

2607
03:31:12,470 --> 03:31:15,010
that you're aware of it

2608
03:31:15,010 --> 03:31:18,770
on a more frequent basis and that you would communicate that to

2609
03:31:19,310 --> 03:31:26,090
the burrow. Hey, we're not just going to go 15% over. We're going to go 50% or more.

2610
03:31:26,530 --> 03:31:29,310
So what you're telling me now is that you have put those

2611
03:31:29,930 --> 03:31:32,110
that program in place now, we're going to start getting

2612
03:31:32,110 --> 03:31:36,990
daily reports, so that when you start going over,

2613
03:31:37,070 --> 03:31:39,170
that you're going to be in communication, do you have a trigger?

2614
03:31:39,650 --> 03:31:41,170
Now that when you hit a certain point,

2615
03:31:41,230 --> 03:31:42,270
you're going to let the borrower know.

2616
03:31:42,270 --> 03:31:44,110
Yeah, we have triggers.

2617
03:31:45,210 --> 03:31:49,210
In place where our construction managers and our planning

2618
03:31:49,210 --> 03:31:53,930
guy are working out tracking costs, number of days on the jobs,

2619
03:31:53,930 --> 03:31:58,170
and we're going to be in more communication with public works about.

2620
03:31:59,150 --> 03:31:59,590
Projects.

2621
03:31:59,790 --> 03:32:04,730
My other question is, when you're doing estimates, do you have a CAD program?

2622
03:32:04,970 --> 03:32:07,490
Do you have a program in place where you put the numbers in?

2623
03:32:08,070 --> 03:32:08,230
Whatever.

2624
03:32:08,530 --> 03:32:08,850
I know.

2625
03:32:11,630 --> 03:32:13,810
There's variables when you're doing this work.

2626
03:32:14,970 --> 03:32:18,770
But do you have a program that you put this in and it spits out a number or so you have

2627
03:32:18,770 --> 03:32:19,930
a pretty close estimate?

2628
03:32:19,930 --> 03:32:27,410
And we have spreadsheets that have all of our rates in there for contractors or employees

2629
03:32:27,930 --> 03:32:33,990
and that we've just rebamped again and you estimate the number of days and hours and

2630
03:32:33,990 --> 03:32:40,070
manpower that goes to do the job, puts in an estimate, calculates the numbers, gets checked

2631
03:32:40,070 --> 03:32:41,950
and then it's sent out.

2632
03:32:42,850 --> 03:32:48,270
So if I heard you correctly, I think you said that you estimated a job in 2023 but you didn't

2633
03:32:48,270 --> 03:32:55,150
start it until 2025, do you ever go back and revisit your estimates so that you update them to make sure that?

2634
03:32:55,150 --> 03:33:03,190
That was the 2023 job was midway. We did the work in 2023. We had to go back in 2025 and redo the work,

2635
03:33:03,630 --> 03:33:09,670
because there was drainage changes on the project. There was a design change on the project that we had to go re-locate.

2636
03:33:09,750 --> 03:33:17,210
Some of the work we had already done and it necessitated an actual directional drill to install the line.

2637
03:33:17,210 --> 03:33:20,430
And what was the cause of the new drainage issues?

2638
03:33:20,790 --> 03:33:23,290
It was public works, public works, design.

2639
03:33:24,170 --> 03:33:25,450
OK, thank you.

2640
03:33:27,410 --> 03:33:30,370
Hey, only is there a objection to the motion?

2641
03:33:34,210 --> 03:33:34,650
Reduction?

2642
03:33:39,990 --> 03:33:42,650
I'm just clarifying which are we on all three?

2643
03:33:42,890 --> 03:33:43,730
Are we on one?

2644
03:33:45,740 --> 03:33:46,360
One, six.

2645
03:33:57,520 --> 03:33:57,540
I.

2646
03:33:58,480 --> 03:34:03,440
I will let this move forward.

2647
03:34:03,880 --> 03:34:07,200
I would hope that in, I don't know what the mechanism

2648
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:15,980
and for N star, I'm looking for the, for N star to meet as part way on this.

2649
03:34:16,300 --> 03:34:23,940
So I don't know if the correct thing to do is to postpone it to September 15th

2650
03:34:23,940 --> 03:34:30,560
and give the parties sometime to talk through that, as well as get just kind of a report

2651
03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:38,240
on what that reporting is going to look like to the borough for future projects, what that means,

2652
03:34:38,240 --> 03:34:43,240
the changes that you're making to explain though so I guess I would make a motion if I could

2653
03:34:43,240 --> 03:34:50,540
on that particular one because it's such a large cost I think it's 130% increase on that one

2654
03:34:50,540 --> 03:34:53,540
If we could postpone that, tell September 15th.

2655
03:34:59,240 --> 03:34:59,560
Um, extension.

2656
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:03,600
Move to extend the meeting to 11 p.m.

2657
03:35:03,800 --> 03:35:05,200
Is there objection?

2658
03:35:07,400 --> 03:35:08,520
Okay, thank you.

2659
03:35:08,920 --> 03:35:13,340
All right, so we have a motion to postpone.

2660
03:35:14,440 --> 03:35:17,220
Then is there objection to that?

2661
03:35:17,460 --> 03:35:18,380
Go ahead.

2662
03:35:19,160 --> 03:35:22,260
I am objecting to postponing this.

2663
03:35:22,380 --> 03:35:23,660
I don't see what that's going to accomplish.

2664
03:35:24,220 --> 03:35:25,400
I am not opposed to a report.

2665
03:35:25,520 --> 03:35:29,780
I'd like to know how we can improve the reporting procedures between utilities and the

2666
03:35:29,780 --> 03:35:33,920
So that we don't get caught off guard like this again, but I don't think that postponing it is going to

2667
03:35:33,920 --> 03:35:35,180
It's going to accomplish anything

2668
03:35:40,440 --> 03:35:41,840
seven person bowls

2669
03:35:45,120 --> 03:35:45,600
so

2670
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:51,780
I'm having a real hard time with this and I wasn't going to say a thing. I was just going to let slide

2671
03:35:51,780 --> 03:35:55,300
But just so on the record 19 hours at

2672
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:58,540
$151.33 an hour for a flagger

2673
03:35:59,340 --> 03:36:05,760
I think we're on the just on the motion to postpone so can you keep it to

2674
03:36:05,760 --> 03:36:16,300
that whether you want it to postpone or not, not on the basis of the passing, the whole or

2675
03:36:16,300 --> 03:36:26,820
AM. So I would like a second dairy amendment to postpone it definitely and then reconfigure

2676
03:36:26,820 --> 03:36:34,220
this because I just can't understand how a project estimated at a certain amount and it comes back

2677
03:36:34,220 --> 03:36:36,420
at three times the amount.

2678
03:36:37,400 --> 03:36:43,360
The clerk is telling me, no secondary amendment is that where you were?

2679
03:36:43,480 --> 03:36:48,380
No, what I said, Madam Mayor's postponing and definitely is not an amendment to postponing

2680
03:36:48,380 --> 03:36:49,180
to a time certain.

2681
03:36:49,360 --> 03:36:50,640
It's a motion unto itself.

2682
03:36:51,420 --> 03:36:54,260
So this is what's on the floor, you have to vote it down.

2683
03:36:59,130 --> 03:37:07,130
So I'm going to vote this down with the hopes that it gets voted down so that we can postpone

2684
03:37:07,130 --> 03:37:12,050
this and definitely get a better report on this and more involved with this because this is

2685
03:37:12,050 --> 03:37:13,230
this is how to control.

2686
03:37:18,590 --> 03:37:19,370
I'm going to close you.

2687
03:37:19,570 --> 03:37:20,030
Yes, we need to.

2688
03:37:20,490 --> 03:37:24,170
I get the members to vote voting on postponing to 915.

2689
03:37:28,790 --> 03:37:32,330
Madam Mayor is failed with Assembly Member Faunoff and now we're in support.

2690
03:37:39,940 --> 03:37:41,680
So record day here.

2691
03:37:42,880 --> 03:37:43,040
Okay.

2692
03:37:43,560 --> 03:37:43,680
Assembly members.

2693
03:37:44,620 --> 03:37:45,940
Assembly members and bold.

2694
03:37:46,160 --> 03:37:46,900
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2695
03:37:47,040 --> 03:37:51,840
I moved to postpone this and definitely with the intent of

2696
03:37:52,780 --> 03:37:56,940
reconfiguring these numbers because it just absolutely doesn't make sense to me with Ken

2697
03:37:56,940 --> 03:37:59,180
Worth I mean all

2698
03:38:00,320 --> 03:38:06,880
$259.44 an hour three hundred two dollars and sixty six cents an hour seven hundred and eighty two dollars sixty six cents a day

2699
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:07,860
maybe okay

2700
03:38:07,860 --> 03:38:12,180
two hundred eighty dollars and sixty two cents an hour

2701
03:38:12,180 --> 03:38:12,760
and

2702
03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:18,640
I mean these numbers are I understand Davis Davis bacon but this

2703
03:38:20,460 --> 03:38:26,720
When a project comes in at 200 and then they're asking for almost 300 more, it just doesn't make sense.

2704
03:38:27,040 --> 03:38:46,780
I think that this needs to be reconfigured and really looked at and really broken down and explained to our

2705
03:38:46,780 --> 03:38:54,980
It $309.69 an hour. That's just crazy to be. So I moved to postpone a definitely.

2706
03:38:56,740 --> 03:38:56,820
Okay,

2707
03:38:59,640 --> 03:39:09,820
there's a objection to the amendment to postpone a deputy mayor. Okay, so we have an objection.

2708
03:39:10,420 --> 03:39:13,680
I can get the members to vote on postponing this AM and definitely.

2709
03:39:14,280 --> 03:39:14,760
Okay.

2710
03:39:16,400 --> 03:39:18,160
Both born in.

2711
03:39:18,200 --> 03:39:19,960
How does it coming back for us?

2712
03:39:19,980 --> 03:39:23,740
We will not come back if you postpone this one and definitely would require new legislation.

2713
03:39:28,010 --> 03:39:29,110
Then we remember, Bernier.

2714
03:39:32,360 --> 03:39:35,500
Madam Mayor, it is failed with assembly members and now we are in support.

2715
03:39:41,760 --> 03:39:42,380
On the main motion.

2716
03:39:42,620 --> 03:39:42,900
Just quickly.

2717
03:39:45,180 --> 03:39:52,400
I just think there should be some accommodation on this one because of the cost overrun.

2718
03:39:52,400 --> 03:39:59,400
And so I would urge voting it down with some kind of compromise to come back to us on this, otherwise I just feel like

2719
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,940
I'd just feel like the burrows a bit of a blank check and I want to get this, where we feel like we're in a comfortable spot.

2720
03:40:07,360 --> 03:40:15,220
Like we have cost controls. So I would urge you to vote it down with the idea of coming back and working with and start.

2721
03:40:20,580 --> 03:40:26,800
Are there further discussion? Okay. So there is an injection to the main motion and to what down.

2722
03:40:27,020 --> 03:40:28,920
Thank you members to vote on the main motion.

2723
03:40:36,920 --> 03:40:41,920
Madam Mayor, it is failed with Assemblymember Sumner McKee and Bernier in support.

2724
03:40:43,060 --> 03:40:43,620
Move

2725
03:40:50,630 --> 03:40:51,830
on to 116.

2726
03:40:52,950 --> 03:40:54,230
Now we are on to you.

2727
03:40:54,350 --> 03:40:56,830
You might want to tell Mr. Cooper he could probably sit down.

2728
03:40:57,070 --> 03:40:57,510
Okay.

2729
03:40:57,910 --> 03:40:59,350
So he doesn't have to stand there at all.

2730
03:40:59,770 --> 03:41:00,210
Thank you.

2731
03:41:00,550 --> 03:41:02,250
Move on to the next item and business.

2732
03:41:02,610 --> 03:41:03,350
Thank you.

2733
03:41:03,550 --> 03:41:08,930
Hey, I'm 26116 approval of additional utility relocation costs of $44,207.

2734
03:41:08,930 --> 03:41:12,730
$7.49 to install natural gas for the Helen Lane

2735
03:41:12,730 --> 03:41:15,190
can re-construction project in the Boat Guard Road

2736
03:41:15,190 --> 03:41:16,310
Service area.

2737
03:41:17,370 --> 03:41:20,170
OK, there's a main motion on the floor.

2738
03:41:21,050 --> 03:41:22,450
Is there any further discussion?

2739
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:31,160
Is there objection to the motion?

2740
03:41:34,390 --> 03:41:35,530
I don't hear any objection.

2741
03:41:36,110 --> 03:41:38,970
Which so then, the legislation passes.

2742
03:41:41,360 --> 03:41:42,440
Mayor, oops, sorry.

2743
03:41:42,660 --> 03:41:45,180
Now we are on the other one.

2744
03:41:45,180 --> 03:41:52,680
A. M. 26128, approval of additional, excuse me, approval of additional utility relocations costs

2745
03:41:52,680 --> 03:41:59,940
A. 81,945 dollars and 42 cents to Ernesto Gas Company for midway road service

2746
03:41:59,940 --> 03:42:04,550
area streets and streets improvement project. The main motion is already on the floor.

2747
03:42:07,220 --> 03:42:11,340
Discussion on A. M. 26128.

2748
03:42:11,340 --> 03:42:15,400
Who has a poll that was the original estimate of that?

2749
03:42:15,580 --> 03:42:18,920
Because obviously the one that we wrote it down was the original.

2750
03:42:20,080 --> 03:42:22,820
What was the original estimate?

2751
03:42:23,260 --> 03:42:24,780
What percentage was this one?

2752
03:42:25,560 --> 03:42:27,580
The staff or some Stephanie you have?

2753
03:42:28,400 --> 03:42:29,340
What that's one was?

2754
03:42:30,680 --> 03:42:31,020
For example.

2755
03:42:31,320 --> 03:42:31,440
Thank you.

2756
03:42:32,100 --> 03:42:36,220
The original estimate was 276,314 cents.

2757
03:42:36,520 --> 03:42:38,540
And then it went up to total bill.

2758
03:42:38,540 --> 03:42:41,880
It will be $3,487,762,82 cents.

2759
03:42:45,170 --> 03:42:46,530
It's not $150,000.

2760
03:42:46,530 --> 03:42:47,970
Some percent of the list on this one, okay?

2761
03:42:48,550 --> 03:42:51,530
No, that's like a 30% or something.

2762
03:42:52,910 --> 03:42:54,050
Assembly person now was.

2763
03:42:54,450 --> 03:42:55,790
I think I heard on this project,

2764
03:42:56,010 --> 03:42:58,030
but it would be nice to have some confirmation from staff.

2765
03:42:58,150 --> 03:42:59,470
I think he was saying on this project,

2766
03:42:59,650 --> 03:43:02,750
there was a drainage issue and there needed to be a redo.

2767
03:43:02,950 --> 03:43:07,190
So it had more of an explanation than the previous project.

2768
03:43:16,950 --> 03:43:19,610
Colbert and I'm project management division manager.

2769
03:43:20,830 --> 03:43:26,030
I don't have the specific details on that, but what he was speaking about, does ring a bell.

2770
03:43:26,170 --> 03:43:27,530
I believe it was Vicki Way.

2771
03:43:28,230 --> 03:43:32,650
We did have a little bit of a adjustment for the drainage along that corridor.

2772
03:43:34,110 --> 03:43:36,750
So I can't 100% confirm, but it does sound familiar.

2773
03:43:38,090 --> 03:43:39,090
And I think he's correct.

2774
03:43:43,060 --> 03:43:43,720
Further discussion?

2775
03:43:44,480 --> 03:43:44,900
Yes, sir.

2776
03:43:45,500 --> 03:43:46,380
Sure, absolutely.

2777
03:43:47,000 --> 03:43:47,680
Thank you, sir.

2778
03:43:47,680 --> 03:43:48,380
Thanks, Cole.

2779
03:43:48,960 --> 03:43:51,380
So, it's explained to me, because I'm not a contract, I'm not a dirt guy.

2780
03:43:51,960 --> 03:43:57,020
When you talk about the drainage had to be modified, and he spoke about it also, I mean,

2781
03:43:57,120 --> 03:44:00,440
what does that mean to us, it don't really understand it?

2782
03:44:00,720 --> 03:44:08,500
Yeah, so in that instance, on Vicki Way, there was, there's a lot of water that was coming

2783
03:44:08,500 --> 03:44:13,260
in a subdivision, and so what we did is we channelized, so we did a special ditch that's

2784
03:44:13,260 --> 03:44:18,820
deeper than a typical ditch to drain it out to Lula Pine Road. I believe what it was to get

2785
03:44:18,820 --> 03:44:24,000
it out to the broader drainage system. So by dropping that ditch a little bit deeper, it

2786
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:30,060
reduced the cover over the gas line. So that would require them to lower it so that they

2787
03:44:30,060 --> 03:44:35,780
had that quick cover per their requirements. So they did have to go in and they had to dig deeper

2788
03:44:35,780 --> 03:44:39,680
and lay their line down deeper then. Yeah, I think what he was saying is they actually did

2789
03:44:39,680 --> 03:44:43,680
directional board underneath the road to get it deeper. Thank you.

2790
03:44:46,140 --> 03:44:48,300
For the release question.

2791
03:44:49,500 --> 03:44:50,880
I want to put it in follow up.

2792
03:44:50,880 --> 03:44:56,720
This will brought up the flaggers rate, which I'm looking at, which is pretty significant.

2793
03:44:57,080 --> 03:44:59,100
My question to you.

2794
03:44:59,480 --> 03:44:59,820
Flaggers.

2795
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:12,000
But when they charge the way you understand, or industry standard, if they're charging over here, 19 days or so many hours for

2796
03:45:13,260 --> 03:45:19,260
Do they charge how much if there's eight hours in the day to day charge for eight hours of day?

2797
03:45:19,540 --> 03:45:24,400
Or do they actually the way they calculate us out of that day?

2798
03:45:24,400 --> 03:45:27,800
They excavated with used four hours of their or it's four hour.

2799
03:45:27,800 --> 03:45:28,780
Do you know the formula?

2800
03:45:30,120 --> 03:45:32,620
How they charge and what they industry is normally like?

2801
03:45:32,760 --> 03:45:36,760
Because I know not all equipment is simultaneously used at the same time when you're doing a job.

2802
03:45:37,420 --> 03:45:51,960
Yeah, so you till these are different than our general construction contracts, and so to be perfectly clear, we don't have the inspection staff to be out there monitoring and verifying the hours that they put in.

2803
03:45:52,600 --> 03:45:57,400
But they are supposed to charge us the exact hours that they're out there, so they have a flag right out there for four hours.

2804
03:45:57,400 --> 03:46:02,280
So we should, our invoice should be for four hours, we have to roll it out there for eight hours,

2805
03:46:02,420 --> 03:46:07,740
we should get that invoice for those hours, direct one to one, to what they're building.

2806
03:46:08,080 --> 03:46:16,540
I can't speak to, you know, we have the established prevailing Davis-Bacon wages, rates,

2807
03:46:16,920 --> 03:46:21,780
but then when it comes to their overhead, you know, that's, we don't have control over that,

2808
03:46:21,780 --> 03:46:24,480
and it's up to them to establish what that is

2809
03:46:24,480 --> 03:46:27,300
and apply it to the cost for those.

2810
03:46:27,780 --> 03:46:31,220
So how much they're charting overhead on top of those?

2811
03:46:31,480 --> 03:46:33,120
No, not necessarily overhead.

2812
03:46:33,320 --> 03:46:38,260
My question is more of, when they're 40-hour standard week

2813
03:46:38,260 --> 03:46:42,080
of the week, if they had a piece of equipment sitting there,

2814
03:46:42,220 --> 03:46:44,660
out of the 40 hours there was only use for actually 10 hours.

2815
03:46:45,600 --> 03:46:48,580
Is it normal for them to charge the 40 hours

2816
03:46:48,580 --> 03:46:50,300
because it was there available to them?

2817
03:46:50,300 --> 03:46:58,300
We're only 10 hours that it was operating, because that's where the numbers really could change.

2818
03:46:58,760 --> 03:47:06,260
You know, if you had a job, and I know, like, on the small scale, when we went, I pray to that two workers, but we got five pieces of equipment.

2819
03:47:07,400 --> 03:47:14,200
We can only operate two at the same time. So, I guess, do you know, in our world, do they charge,

2820
03:47:14,200 --> 03:47:20,500
That is actually used or per hour that, you know, work out, that it's on the site.

2821
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:24,420
I believe we're getting charged the hours that it's on the site.

2822
03:47:24,580 --> 03:47:30,040
I mean, there's, you would hope that, you know, because they're not going to be operating that equipment necessarily 100% of the time.

2823
03:47:30,040 --> 03:47:36,260
I don't think they're breaking up the time that they're not in the piece of equipment and operating it within reason.

2824
03:47:37,420 --> 03:47:43,040
But like I said, we aren't out there every day tracking, you know, the amount of workers that are out there,

2825
03:47:43,040 --> 03:47:47,500
the pieces of equipment, we just don't have to staff to oversee it at that level, so we have

2826
03:47:47,500 --> 03:47:51,880
to trust that they're invoicing us for the hours that they're using the equipment.

2827
03:47:53,840 --> 03:47:58,020
Yeah, I guess I missed opportunity to ask them that question, but now that when I started

2828
03:47:58,020 --> 03:48:02,580
looking at those numbers, that was the thing, and if just, you know, to get 10 people working

2829
03:48:02,580 --> 03:48:07,500
about 20 pieces of equipment there, I'm just saying, well, the 10 pieces of equipment can

2830
03:48:07,500 --> 03:48:12,920
be the same. I guess that's just my logic common sense comes in and I wish I would ask

2831
03:48:12,920 --> 03:48:17,200
but it sounds like he wasn't too happy when I left, so I didn't get chance to do that.

2832
03:48:18,580 --> 03:48:21,400
That was seven person bowls. Oh no. Okay. Sorry.

2833
03:48:22,660 --> 03:48:23,780
Any other questions?

2834
03:48:27,000 --> 03:48:31,840
Any objection to passing the M26-128?

2835
03:48:35,650 --> 03:48:37,170
Okay. Do you have an objection?

2836
03:48:39,010 --> 03:48:40,770
I get the members to go ahead and vote.

2837
03:48:46,700 --> 03:48:47,620
Family member burn year.

2838
03:48:55,200 --> 03:49:00,120
It passed with

2839
03:49:02,900 --> 03:49:02,900
a

2840
03:49:02,900 --> 03:49:13,900
There are no vetoes, and then when the clerk is ready, she will read the introductions for the public hearing for the 15th.

2841
03:49:13,900 --> 03:49:22,500
for public hearing on September 15, resolution 26094, ordinance 26102 with the resolution 26088,

2842
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:33,120
ordinance 26103 with resolution 26093, ordinance 26104, ordinance 26105 with resolution 26095,

2843
03:49:33,360 --> 03:49:35,900
and ordinance 26106.

2844
03:49:37,060 --> 03:49:38,860
Do you, Deputy Mayor?

2845
03:49:39,260 --> 03:49:42,780
I move to introduce the legislation as read into the record by the clerk,

2846
03:49:42,780 --> 03:49:46,760
You can set the public hearings for September 15th, 2026.

2847
03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:48,260
There's no any objection?

2848
03:49:50,380 --> 03:49:53,880
No objection and the legislation has been introduced.

2849
03:49:54,700 --> 03:49:58,660
Deputy Mayor, will you move the vacancy report, please?

2850
03:49:58,900 --> 03:49:59,780
I move to get informed.

2851
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:07,300
Affairs recommendations, as follows. Enhance 911 advisory board, resignation of Melissa Sonic,

2852
03:50:08,180 --> 03:50:11,300
plating board, resignation of Stephen Kivan.

2853
03:50:14,810 --> 03:50:15,690
Rescustion,

2854
03:50:19,090 --> 03:50:20,130
there are any objection,

2855
03:50:22,370 --> 03:50:26,290
hearing no objection that they can see report has been approved.

2856
03:50:26,290 --> 03:50:33,830
There are no other new business, there are no referrals, there are no reconsiderations.

2857
03:50:34,610 --> 03:50:37,970
So assembly person, Paula, party remarks.

2858
03:50:40,900 --> 03:50:46,040
My wife, I was asked me, how long this meeting going to be today, and if you look at the agenda,

2859
03:50:46,400 --> 03:50:54,600
there's like a medium, so maybe 98, but we are where we at, thank you for everyone who came up

2860
03:50:54,600 --> 03:51:03,300
spoke, you know, none of you are almost none of you are here, but we do value opinion and

2861
03:51:03,300 --> 03:51:06,100
I appreciate all you working together.

2862
03:51:07,220 --> 03:51:11,840
It's as much as sometimes we disagree, but today is another day, me, and it's now just made

2863
03:51:11,840 --> 03:51:12,420
another history.

2864
03:51:12,420 --> 03:51:13,340
So.

2865
03:51:14,680 --> 03:51:15,780
Partying remarks.

2866
03:51:16,940 --> 03:51:18,540
Assembly person Gamble.

2867
03:51:19,160 --> 03:51:20,340
No, thank you.

2868
03:51:22,430 --> 03:51:23,310
Partying remarks.

2869
03:51:23,730 --> 03:51:25,290
Assembly person Bowles.

2870
03:51:26,090 --> 03:51:26,810
Thank you, Matt Mayer.

2871
03:51:27,370 --> 03:51:28,730
So I've been thinking this whole meeting.

2872
03:51:29,350 --> 03:51:35,230
I appreciate Debbie Mayer's letter or, you know, direction to the manager.

2873
03:51:35,370 --> 03:51:38,470
And I support natural resource development, economic growth.

2874
03:51:39,130 --> 03:51:41,190
But I've been sitting here for the last four hours.

2875
03:51:41,190 --> 03:51:47,410
kind of thinking that we probably should have waited in a loud public comments on that.

2876
03:51:47,990 --> 03:51:54,370
So I just want to make it clear that those that have concerns, you know, that's on my

2877
03:51:54,370 --> 03:51:55,110
mind as well.

2878
03:51:55,630 --> 03:52:04,160
I think that we probably should consider maybe thinking about that.

2879
03:52:04,520 --> 03:52:08,680
And with that, it's a privilege to be in the seat, district one.

2880
03:52:08,800 --> 03:52:10,940
Thank you for putting me here and we'll see you next time.

2881
03:52:12,790 --> 03:52:15,030
Madam Clinton, parting comments,

2882
03:52:17,430 --> 03:52:19,610
Assembly person hours, parting comments?

2883
03:52:20,930 --> 03:52:25,910
Yeah, public process is just crucial in ignoring that puts us at peril, so we have

2884
03:52:25,910 --> 03:52:27,410
to tread very cautiously.

2885
03:52:28,470 --> 03:52:33,890
And then I hope everybody's gotten a chance to go to the fair before the first frost hits.

2886
03:52:35,210 --> 03:52:38,570
And that venue mayor, parting process, parting comments?

2887
03:52:39,530 --> 03:52:39,750
Yeah.

2888
03:52:39,750 --> 03:52:47,550
The intention of this letter was not to convey property to Ada in Houston, willow area.

2889
03:52:48,150 --> 03:52:53,370
It was to get them to look at Poem McKenzie and West's sitting area.

2890
03:52:57,320 --> 03:53:02,860
And when I talked to DNR, I was trying to beat the clock, basically.

2891
03:53:05,420 --> 03:53:07,560
And that's that.

2892
03:53:07,560 --> 03:53:15,300
So anyone that was thinking that I was given the green light to give land in Houston,

2893
03:53:15,540 --> 03:53:18,160
Willow area to ADA is

2894
03:53:20,400 --> 03:53:22,440
not true.

2895
03:53:23,080 --> 03:53:23,840
Thank you.

2896
03:53:30,840 --> 03:53:36,320
I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for coming and just putting in the meeting.

2897
03:53:36,800 --> 03:53:41,000
Guess there's only folks that are whose job it is to be here left.

2898
03:53:41,840 --> 03:53:47,120
But everyone else that came and so we're watching, thanks for coming out and participating.

2899
03:53:48,960 --> 03:53:50,120
Martin, come in.

2900
03:53:50,580 --> 03:53:51,600
Assemblyperson McKee.

2901
03:53:52,260 --> 03:53:54,820
Yeah, I just wanted to just very briefly.

2902
03:53:56,100 --> 03:53:58,380
There was a person who sent a letter.

2903
03:53:59,020 --> 03:54:01,520
We all got a copy of it about an incident with a cat.

2904
03:54:02,140 --> 03:54:03,820
It was apparently being mulled by a dog.

2905
03:54:04,480 --> 03:54:10,100
And I talked to Mr. Hayes and that is being, I just want that person to know if you're out there.

2906
03:54:10,100 --> 03:54:14,120
it's being addressed as being discussed as an ignored and it doesn't just go in the

2907
03:54:14,120 --> 03:54:17,660
round file as it's being addressed. I just I think that's really important to let people know

2908
03:54:17,660 --> 03:54:20,080
that they are heard when these things come in, especially something that caused

2909
03:54:20,880 --> 03:54:24,620
you know the thing with the animals that caused such a four as well as should have.

2910
03:54:25,180 --> 03:54:29,100
So just one of that first to know, we're looking at you. Thanks.

2911
03:54:30,840 --> 03:54:33,800
I'm parting comments. Mr. Attorney.

2912
03:54:38,700 --> 03:54:39,140
Okay.

2913
03:54:39,140 --> 03:54:48,120
I do. I move to enter executive session for the matter of which is the immediate public

2914
03:54:48,120 --> 03:54:53,800
knowledge of which would clearly have an adverse effect upon the finances of the borough

2915
03:54:53,800 --> 03:54:59,420
and matters which by law municipal charter or ordinance are required to be kept confidential.

2916
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:16,460
And to discuss matters involving consideration of burrow records that by law are not subject to public disclosure and discussion of matters subject to the attorney slash client privilege. In particular to discuss Davidson family trust versus the Matt Subaru.

2917
03:55:18,120 --> 03:55:27,760
3PA-26-02199CI. Those present during executive session will be the mayor, Yassembly,

2918
03:55:27,880 --> 03:55:30,400
the attorney, the manager, and the clerk.

2919
03:55:32,300 --> 03:55:42,240
Okay, discussion on going into executive session in the objection. Okay, so we will leave

2920
03:55:42,240 --> 03:55:56,480
to exit executive session discussion on executive session. Is there any objection?

2921
03:55:58,320 --> 03:56:10,600
Here we know objection we have exit at 1055 and if there's no objection we will adjourn at 1055.