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The disaster recovery international affairs and planning committee meeting, recess meeting from September 2nd, reconvene on September 3rd at 9.03pm, come to order.

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If everyone can please silence their cell phones or other noise-making devices that would help our cause. In accordance with the members, in accordance with the Sunshine Law, if you're not in the council chambers, please identify by me.

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who, if anyone is in the room vehicle or workspace with you today,

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miners do not need to be identified, also please see the last page of the agenda for

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information on meeting connectivity. My name is Tamara Palton and I'll be your chair for today's

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drip committee meeting. Committee Vice Chair, Nohailani Uhu Hodgins, has not joined us yet,

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So she should be joining us and is excuse at this time.

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Concent member Konoi Batangla, Aloha Kakayaka.

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Aloha Kakayaka, Aloha Kakayaka.

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Aloha Kakayaka, Aloha Kakayaka.

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Aloha Kakayaka, Aloha Kakayaka.

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Concent member Rikkiyuu, Junci and Aloha Kakayaka.

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Aloha, good morning, Chair.

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I'm here alone in my office and I'm in my workspace and I'm ready to work.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Alice Lee, Aloha Kukayaka, Aloha Kukayaka,

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Aloha Kukayaka, chair and no one's here in my workspace.

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And from the Cherokee Nation, Oceo.

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Oceo.

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Next up, Councilmember Kiani Ralein Fernandez, Aloha Kukayaka,

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I'm Ocio.

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I love Haka Haka Chaharan.

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I love Haka Haka Haka Haka Cacko.

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My Malokai Noiya Hina, I'm at my private residence alone.

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I do have to step away at 10 for a previously scheduled meeting.

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But hopefully there'll be like 30 minutes and I'll jump back on.

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Malature. Thank you.

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Council member Shin Shin Enzi, Aloha Kukayaka, and OCO.

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Last but not least, Councilmember Yikili, so you might as excuse this is based on the polling.

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We also wanted to send a special thank you to member Gib Johnson for allowing us to take up his meeting slot for today, so we can continue this important discussion.

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This meeting of the Disaster Recovery International Affairs and Planning Committee of the Maui County Council is located on the traditional INO of Kanako EV,

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who never seated their sovereignty to the United States.

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We recognized that her Majesty, Queen Millio Colony,

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yielded the Hawaiian Kingdom to the US,

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in the rest under threat of violence

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to avoid the bloodshed of her people.

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We further recognize that Hawaii remains

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an illegally occupied nation state by the US

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as documented in a 2021 scholarly article

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for the National Lawyers Guild Review

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by Andrew Reed, a junk professor of law

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the University of Denver, STEM, College of Law.

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Generations of Kanakamawani and their knowledge systems

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have sustainably cared for Hawaii and continue to do so.

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We're grateful to occupy the space and learn the ways

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in which we can contribute as a community

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we seek to support the varied strategies

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that indigenous people of Hawaii are using to protect

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their land and their communities and commit

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to dedicating time and resources to work in and solidarity.

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from the Department of Management, we had the managing director.

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He is doing storm prep today, so we may have him

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like at a limited role because of, you know,

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a good friend's law, Karina, and Marie come into visit.

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From the Department of the Police, we have Lieutenant Taylor,

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come up if you will only and Christina Bordner Carci, as well as Officer Erin Mark, from the Department of

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Prosecuting of Attorney, we have Prosecuting of Attorney Andrew Martin and Deputy Prosecuting of Attorney Chad Kumogai.

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From Corporation Council, we have Deputy Corporation Council Role. We also have drip committee staff

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with us this afternoon, senior legislative analyst James Kruger, as well as legislative analyst

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star at Pasquale, senior committee secretary, Iwet Boutilier, and legislative attorney

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Carla Nakata as a reminder that public testimony, oral testimony is closed for today.

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We had concluded yesterday and routine testimony is still being accepted.

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We have two items on today's agenda, Drift 27, which is Bill 13, establishing 8.38 Maui

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County Code on the disclosure sale and commercial use of license plate, Reader data, and Drift 27,

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26, Bill 112, 2026, establishing Chapter 8.37 Maui County Code on facial recognition.

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We will continue where we left off from the last meeting. Last meeting, we had one round of

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three minutes, but not everybody got their opportunity. I think it was just the men.

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So this, the males, or whatever you guys want to be called.

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So this today, I wanted to allow

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five minutes. And for folks that didn't get their opportunity last round, it can be combined

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to up to eight minutes if you would like. Would and they realized some of the questions,

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yesterday, from a number of dancing and singing, would be easier answered by Lieutenant

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So that's why they asked her to come today.

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So before we start off on questions,

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I guess member Johnson and members in NCF,

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if you wanted to repeat your questions,

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maybe the tenant won a car seat could answer them.

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Okay, sure.

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If you're asking me, chair, sure.

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The idea was,

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which part.

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A lot of money did we use to buy the county owned cameras, and how much is left in that pot? Do you guys plan to buy more of it with that money?

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And that was the basis of my question of words. You get the money, which fund did you use it from?

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And maybe council members in the city had more to add to that, but that was my part.

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Thank you.

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Members in the city, did you want to do you remember your question from yesterday? We cannot stop if not.

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yet my questions were posed by some of the testifiers yesterday who has any of the existing

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of lock cameras as the state have any of the lock cameras already up and then I think

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the department did answer to some of the license plate of shots from the motor roller cameras

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that are existing on the traffic, the traffic lights?

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Yes.

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And then also I did receive a message from Managing Director Nishita.

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He said he took with the team that LPR cameras

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being used at Waikuli are under the Department of Foreign

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originally he had thought they were flock, but they're genetic.

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Okay, Lieutenant Bono-Corsi, did you, were you able to answer any of those questions from yesterday?

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Test.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning, council members.

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Lieutenant Christina Bono-Corsi, just a really quick background.

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Initially, I began this project back what two years ago.

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So I initially have a lot of the information that may not have been passed down.

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So that's my role, and now I've got promoted in HANA now, so just so all of you are aware.

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Regarding the, I believe, contracts, this there, Council Member Gabe Johnson, referred to,

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we don't have any pending contracts, we got a contract, basically, with Motorola back in 2025.

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And that is that contract, it was already funded, funded money that the chief acquired and

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that came up with our radios, 400 new radios that we need, Motorola radios, our command

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central wear program which is basically the brains and operation of the R-talk, which is a real

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time off-center. And it came with 27 licensed plate reader cameras. So that was all bundled together

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And basically we got a, when you do it like that, it was a lot cheaper, and then on top of that I got a jagged grant for $150,000 that also went towards these cameras, so that kind of like wiped a lot of the funds out on that contract.

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and regarding councilmen,

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births, tendencies, regarding the flock cameras.

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We do not own flock, nor will we ever own flock,

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just because there's a difference.

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We actually own our information.

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We, the information that flock has,

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and I'm not other than a lot of leaks and stuff with flock.

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The Motorola system, it actually is in a secured government.

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server, see just compliant. So there's we own that information. Nobody can gain the information

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unless we authorize them to gain information and you see that's other police departments.

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But other than that, I hope that answers your question. We're good enough.

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Member Johnson, before you answer, I just wanted to recognize, or commit a waste

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Thank you.

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Good morning, chair.

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Good morning, chair.

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Good morning, everyone.

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I'm at my private residence.

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Alone in my workspace.

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I apologize for being late.

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My computer wanted to update when I

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re-opened it this morning.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Follow up on the answers to your questions from yesterday.

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Yes, I really appreciate that. Thank you, Chair. So the 27 cameras were bundled with the 400

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rate. Thank you for that cutification. How about the subscription fees? You have to pay a monthly fee

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for these and how much are they? Where's that money come from? There's a subscription. I believe

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If I can get that number for you, it's like per camera, I believe it's around.

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Like 200 or something like that per camera or 150 or something like that for a year, for each camera, but we'll get the exact number for you.

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And that's already budgeted in our fiscal year, 2027.

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It's under contract. It's just a licensing fee. Basically, because we're using basically the software is on like a alert platform is where we utilize that.

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the brains, that's where we get our information if we're searching something and Motorola does not

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have access to that. It's ours, we own that. I understand that thank you $200 per year per camera

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and for a total of how many cameras? We have 20. Technically we have 27 cameras on this contract

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and we had 11 legendary contracts which we call them legendary because we had a

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last two years prior to getting this contract.

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And I'll get the exact number for you.

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Okay.

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All right, thank you.

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I appreciate your following up on me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Have the information to follow up with a letter.

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Yes, sure.

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Member Uhagin's,

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my head mentioned this round would be five minutes

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and that the

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our male members already had their first round.

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So the female members will get eight minutes up to eight minutes if they'd like.

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So I guess I would love to go first with member Rowland for nine days because she does

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have to leave for a moment and I didn't want to mention that member Batangon has a hard

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out at 1145 before lunch.

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Okay, member Rowland for nine days, are you ready with you like your opportunity?

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Thank you.

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Hello, Tara.

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And, um, hello to our, uh, resource personnel for being with us today.

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Uh, and yesterday.

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Okay.

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Um, I did have this step away yesterday, uh, and leave a little early.

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Uh, so I did go back and watch the last 15 minutes of the meeting that I missed to hear some of the questions and answers.

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by the male council members,

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and you know, so, remember Paul tonight, and remember I think

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this was explained yesterday that when we participated in the nickel conference in New Orleans,

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we were able to join the site visit that took us to New Orleans real-time crime center.

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It's a real-time crime scenario and they took us on a tour and they shared the best practices and so you know

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I just want to commend Chair Bolton for very quickly introducing legislation

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You know kind of based on some of what they've done that was successful there and that what would make sense for us here

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So I know, okay,

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so what I'm, I guess I want it to understand and then I'll ask my questions.

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So testifiers, I'm a hollow two of the testifiers that shared their monol with us yesterday.

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We're often just using flop cameras as any kind of surveillance camera and our cameras are

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Motorola and flop cameras are known for its, you know, facial recognition and I guess the data

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is collected by the company and not an expert in flop, so I don't super know, but it's

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facing it off of what officer Banakoski was explaining that Counties, Motorola cameras do not

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have facial recognition software installed and the data that is collected by the county is

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owned and held or stored by the county. That county does not own or operate cameras with facial

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recognition,

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but the county does own and operate cameras with license plate readers.

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Okay, so my question is how many cameras and how long is the data currently stored?

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Tammy,

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come out to be boldly.

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Thank you for your question.

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Councilmember.

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So, curve.

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Currently, we have 27 cameras all. These 27 cameras are out, you know, throughout our main thoroughfares, you know, keeping track of, you know, anything that, as far as the community or vehicles that may be involved in a crime or maybe stolen or whatnot.

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The information is stored on an SD card that's within the device itself.

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Alerts and real-time information is sent to Motorola, but that basically comes right back to us in a vehicle alert that we receive in our email.

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So it officers that have access through vehicle manager, they're not able to input information.

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There basically received alerts at this vehicle, possibly the stolen vehicle that was reported

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that was on the hot list, was glass seen on this roadway this time, and depending on

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the position of the camera, we'll give the direction of travel.

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As far as, you know, the flock, and like you mentioned about the flock cameras, it's a bunch

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information that people are gathering offline. And when you look up LPR as the first most popular

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searches will be flock. So a lot of the Motorola cameras that we have installed are being associated

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with flock. You know, flock has had their issues of being hacked. That's one of the reasons why

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when we want one of the reasons why we won't release the mate model and information on the camera

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because if you have that information,

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hackers will be able to find the way

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to get into the camera systems.

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Daxis, to the information, will be monitored

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by those who are in charge of the program currently.

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But as far as our Motorola cameras

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and everything else that we have,

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it is for the safety and for embassy tools.

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The way that we look at the ALPR cameras

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is that instead of posting officers

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on the corners of every street looking out

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these vehicles that are traveling, you know we have tools and other

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set of eyes and that you know we'll alleviate and we'll save a lot of

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manpower and as you folks know it's it's already hard to feel a lot of

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the positions that we have. You know if we were fully staffed you know it would be a

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lot easier but it's just the current climate across nation right now. Every police

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station, every police department, every sheriff's department, the law enforcement

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in general, or having hiring issues at this time?

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Yeah, Mahalo, um, officer, come and give you a link.

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Oh, no.

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Yeah.

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Lieutenant.

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Lieutenant.

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Okay.

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And then, um, okay.

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So you said that, um,

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when the license plate reader, um, potentially reads the, um,

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is that a photo that is sent to Motorola and then is sent to MPD or what is that information

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look like?

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So yesterday in a PowerPoint presentation, the images that we showed is basically what

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we received, so that will basically show to the officer, but the officers still have to

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physically go out there and locate the vehicle and make contact with the vehicle before any

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type of search, any type of, you know, of stop or whatever maybe the vehicle information

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has to be verified by a human body.

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Okay, the part that I was trying to clarify was, you said the information goes to Motorola

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first and then it, like the company and then it comes to MPD.

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Okay, just to clarify, Motorola doesn't see any information, it's the platform that

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we're using that they developed.

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They do not see, so it's like a platform.

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So like any brains of it, it goes up into the cloud.

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Say, you take a picture, it goes up into the cloud,

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which is a secured government,

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see just compliant entity.

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Then when we say, okay, we're looking for this license plate

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that, and it's just a picture of the vehicle

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with the license plate, it goes into,

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Then when we ask, okay, where is this license plate?

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And then all those pictures of that license plate comes down

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to our desktop or whatever we're using

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the secured system.

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So Motorola doesn't know what the information is up in there.

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They just applied the system that we're utilizing.

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Kind of like our CAD system. Kind of like our radios. They don't know. They're just applying the information. Like they just have the program, but they do not have access to it. If that helps. It's just like basically standing on a corner, like the LT said, taking a picture of every vehicle that passes, an officer doing that, or an officer with a pad, a no pad, and writing that every single license plate that passes you. That's all. The system is doing. It's just taking us

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snapshot of a picture of a vehicle.

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No personal information is stored.

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We have to investigate that information further.

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It's just like a lead.

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Yeah, it's just a lead leading to the investigation.

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Sharon, real quick, just to clarify.

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Because like I said, I'm just trying to understand

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what the current situation is right now.

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So Bill 113 is attempting to protect and regulate the data

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and so I'm trying to understand how data is currently stored and when I ask that question,

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the data is stored on an SD card on the device itself. So that data is not video that data is

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only photos.

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The data is only photos pictures, not live images, not videos just a snapshot,

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like a photo roll, like, you know, if you took a picture.

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And then that data went, when it matches a plate that we could be looking for,

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then that photo is sent into the software in the cloud.

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And then it goes to MPD.

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Yes, the perfect example was the one that she used of an office

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just down the corner, you know, looking for a vehicle.

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When you seize the vehicle, you take a quick snapshot, what is cell phone.

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and then basically text the message out to the officers.

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So basically the Motorola program is basically that.

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You know, we take the pictures, the system,

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it does this job, recognizes that we have a possible hit,

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sends the alert out to the officer.

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So, none of the information that is sent that is collected

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is stored by Motorola.

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Everything is held stored and controlled by us.

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And recurrently, yes.

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The reason I ask that follow-up is because I want,

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I'm trying to understand what stays on the SD card and what is then like released and how it's released and to who it's released. Right. And so I understand what you're explaining.

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But I think like these details need to just kind of be teased out a little more, which is why I'm asking the question. So I appreciate your responses and I appreciate the flexibility and the follow-up questions. I will have more questions.

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Mahalachary. Thank you and just double-taking where you

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able to hear the bell.

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Yes, okay. All right, either

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concerto, or committee-based or no-he-ohadians that you had,

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Charlie, did you want to go first? Yeah, sure. My question is for our

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prosecuting attorney Andrew Martin. Given all the testimony we heard yesterday,

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given all the concerns that were expressed and knowing what these two draft ordinances are

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proposing. Do you have any more suggestions to perhaps bring a little bit more comfort

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to the general public that we are not overreaching that this is a very well-controlled system

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that we have.

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But if there's anything else we can include in the ordinance to ensure that there is no misuse or abuse of the camera systems.

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Yes, and thank you, Chair Lee, for the question.

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I think the most important pieces of this proposed legislation, right, are number one the limits on utilizing these systems for law enforcement purposes only where there is a criminal nexus.

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that that is one key, the second key is the imposition of the documentation requirements.

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Those are the two key pieces of this legislation that set up the safeguards.

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And one that I think the committee is looking for, but that also provide the public with the reassurance

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that the use of these systems is well regulated and

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Limited to the legitimate law enforcement purpose only.

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We do have some suggestions on just how to tighten up some of the language to make sure that the legislation doesn't cross over into areas that create ambiguity and concern down the line.

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And, you know, number one, as I mentioned yesterday, with Subsection in Bill 112, Subsection

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8.37.020 Subsection E. We'd recommend striking the language after documentation where

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there we recommend striking the language is an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury

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to a person and instead rewriting that section to read facial recognition technology may be used

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without prior documentation where there is an exigent circumstance requiring its use.

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The documentation required by subsection B together with a description of the circumstances

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is constituting, again, adding an exigent circumstances,

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must be completed within 24 hours after it's used.

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The reason that becomes as important

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is that it appropriately tracks the warrant clause

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and the Constitution, the exception to the warrant clause,

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as set forth in case law.

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And make sure we don't miss an opportunity

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to use the system under all possible exigent circumstances,

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which we think is key requirement.

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Thank you. And Chair, could you have the staff email us, but he just said, yep, so we can consider it as a possible amendment.

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Okay, and then I ask.

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You wrote it on circumstances.

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8.37.

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Anyway, could you just email it to email it to us?

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Now, can I have the police?

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I'm not.

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I'm not.

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What the prosecuting attorney just said.

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And because you're the actual boots on the ground,

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the implement the system.

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So, is he suggesting is it reasonable,

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or do you have any more suggestions?

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Anybody from the police?

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So, the question to the police is,

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are you okay with changing on what was said for

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certain circumstances, or would you like more language in their besides

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editing circumstances?

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No, I agree with prosecutor D. Andy Martin, I do agree with that.

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That cleans it up a lot for us.

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Very helpful.

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So thank you.

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Any other suggestions you may have?

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Just to keep it on a little more broad, because

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Exitancy, I mean, it all depends on the circumstance and the type of investigation that

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is occurring.

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You know, nothing is cookie-colored or nothing is in a box, so that's why, I mean, we

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don't have any more suggestions, but we do agree with Andy Martin on this one.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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That's all I have, Houcher.

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Thank you, Terri, a member of U-Houdings.

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Thank you, Terri.

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a couple of comments before I start asking my question.

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So we live in a world now where I feel like everywhere you go,

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you can be recorded.

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We all have a camera in our back pocket.

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Majority of our job includes being filmed.

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Our words are memorialized.

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Our video is memorialized.

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I'm taking this meeting from home.

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And I choose to face my back where you see my back yard,

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but not any personal effects in my house.

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And that is a choice I make, right?

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Our jobs are so public,

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and I have to remind my children as they're growing up,

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they will be making mistakes,

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but please don't photograph those mistakes

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and post them on your social media

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because that will live forever.

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And so it's interesting to see that discussion

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discussion I need to have with my kids in a larger discussion as we deal with adults

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and what that looks like in our everyday life and I know we have to find a balance between

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technology, privacy and not living in some minority report of the world.

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But so I just want to see, I get that finding the balance is difficult, right?

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I get that. We, how many times we've watched the recent fights, I guess there was in Safeway in Kihai, that was filmed, that was online. Right?

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We had fights in the mall, that was filmed, that's online. All of this stuff is just filmed, whether or not it's by our police officers or by our regular Schmuggler people, half of our life is being filmed.

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Yeah, regular Schmuggler. So it's, it's, it's just, it's just what's happening. That's, that's our normal.

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And it's a weird normal, but that's where our normal is going.

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So I guess a couple of questions I have is, right now we currently have cameras that can

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read license plates, but we do not have cameras that can read our faces.

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So are we, if we do install these other facial recognized recognition cameras, are we having two separate

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cameras or what is this technology look like? Are we placing them in the same places that we have

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the licensed-flate reader cameras or are we just going to be like littered with cameras everywhere?

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How does this look in its totality?

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Yes. Thank you. We honestly appreciate that question.

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You are absolutely right about things that forever, social media, you know, I mean it's

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very, it's scary and every kid lives on social media nowadays so I agree with you on that.

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This county is already littered with cameras, you got the traffic cameras, you got our cameras,

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you got the DLE cameras, you got, I mean it's crazy as it is already.

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The facial recognition cameras and LPR cameras are two separate entities.

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We could.

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There are ones that are together, but we do not have any of those.

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Those are a lot more price here, but we do not have.

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There's also live feed cameras that we could also purchase.

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Anything that helps our officers.

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If you've gone to any real-time officers in the mainland, they can follow a subject

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from like a robbery all the way down the street into officers in real time where this guy is.

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So, I would love to get to that, but we're also getting permission to access the street cameras.

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So it's not our cameras.

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We're kind of a double, like a multiple force multiplier where we're using other entities which goes in a secure system that we can get the feed, you know what I mean?

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But we wanted in real time, not like, you know what I mean, not weeks later, when the lead is

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null gone and we can't get any evidence. So that is our goal in the future. But right now,

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the cameras are too separate entities and we don't have any facial recognition cameras here.

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All right. Okay. Okay. So you said you toured other facilities. I know some of our other

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members did. I did not go to New Orleans and it's too hot for me so I didn't go. What are some lessons learned,

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which is a question one of our testifiers asked that we don't also have to learn the hard way.

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Do you have any of those you would like to share? Yes, absolutely. Working with you guys.

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Council members, a lot of you guys, the mayor, other agencies, they said, once you work together

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and have an open dialogue with the community of what you're doing and why you're doing them,

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then they understand. Because it's the ones that are doing something wrong, you know what I mean.

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If I had somebody missing or hit and run, we're going to be able to catch them like like that.

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And we have using these cameras. But having our policies and stuff,

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tight where if any of our officers do anything illegal, they will get in trouble.

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you know, and that's what the other agencies already have done, so we're kind of helping, you know, working towards that.

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So we do not make the same mistake.

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About last year or so, I think it was last year.

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One of my sons, classmates from Keke Olike, went missing for a long time.

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And I don't know what I would do if that was my son, but it was my son's classmate.

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we spoke about it at length at home.

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And we live in a more rural area

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where we don't have major intersections,

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other than maybe the one-by-care code we get.

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So in our rural places,

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where would you be putting any cameras

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seeing as like the easiest place

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would be on our large intersections?

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How would that look for our rural communities?

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So, the cameras, they can either work on Wi-Fi or cellular. That's what the SIM cards are. Just like your phone, it's a cellular information that gets the information to us.

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On the rural areas, I think they're trying to work on technology to get like Kikolike, you already know that that's really spotty cell phones service up there. So, sometimes it hits you miss, but it does, once the information stores on there, once it has services sends it to us.

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So there was a camera up there by Keiko Like, I think somebody stole it, you know what I mean it's gone so there was one up there. Yeah, we have those two

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But in real areas like there's one that's supposed to go to Twin Falls. We can jump on their Wi-Fi. It's on a private place where they can allow us authorize us to put what camera out there. One of the, you know, certain areas like that, but if it's really like real area, we have no cell phone, no Wi-Fi

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that's a bit difficult for us. But at least we know which way they went the last time. It's not

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no longer a needle in a haystack. Now we know if this person passed one falls,

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it we know. They're probably going to Hanah or something. So if that helps a little bit.

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Okay. Okay. One of the questions I found a little interesting, and I don't know how we find

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balance, but you know somebody wanted to say they would prefer to tour our places. Like we did

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like a couple of members did. So if you do a lot of tours, which I'm not suggesting you do or you

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don't, how do you prevent like a breach of information, maybe I watch too much oceans 11, but

449
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:52,180
that is like getting the tour is where the beginning of the end. So how does this work to be transparent,

450
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:59,230
but also to protect people's privacy? Thank you for the question. Let's see, the hard part will be

451
00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:05,540
like our water treatment plants, you know, our critical infrastructure location. We don't do tours,

452
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:11,380
we don't give masks because we are afraid of fire warfare. Exactly. And you know, it'll be the same thing

453
00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:18,900
If we ever get to the point, or when we finally complete the project, we would basically

454
00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:24,220
vet certain officers and only those people will be allowed in that information or into

455
00:42:24,220 --> 00:42:25,340
that seeker facility.

456
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:30,900
And the only reason being, it's not so much the, you know, that we don't want to be transparent

457
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:34,740
is the fact that there is a lot of secure information that is up there.

458
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:39,040
I mean, you know, the event that something does happen during a tour, you know, that information,

459
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,860
And we can't go and pull our M.I.B. ones out and look into the flash and make you guys forget what you guys saw.

460
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:48,860
So I'm saying that.

461
00:42:50,300 --> 00:43:00,980
So as far as tours, when the crime center is operational or whatever may be, we will not probably allow tours into that area.

462
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:03,180
Thank you.

463
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Chair, heard the bell.

464
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,140
Thank you very much.

465
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Thank you.

466
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,420
for my opportunity, so many questions.

467
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,660
I just wanted to clarify some ground terms,

468
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,520
like RTCC would be a real-time crime center,

469
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,400
and that's located like at the key a police station,

470
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,880
but that's different than the real-time op center.

471
00:43:27,380 --> 00:43:31,260
Real-time crime center is all police, real-time op center,

472
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:35,120
is like any first responder, is that correct?

473
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:43,460
They currently have the, I think, is it Mima that runs the emergency operation center?

474
00:43:43,580 --> 00:43:44,560
They have a facility.

475
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,440
Yeah, that's the MEOC, right?

476
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,080
Yeah, and then the emergency operation center.

477
00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:54,440
So in the center, in the center, in the real-time crime center, and Molly, in the emergency

478
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:54,840
option.

479
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:56,140
All the acronyms.

480
00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:01,100
So eventually, our hope is to have a real-time operation center.

481
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:04,960
So we don't have that, not.

482
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,140
Currently, there's nothing operating.

483
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:08,900
there's no physical location for it.

484
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:19,860
We have an office where in the key station that we meet and we continue the process to develop this real-time operation center.

485
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,140
But currently we do not have a facility for it or an office specifically for that.

486
00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:31,700
Okay, and those are the real-time crimes in our talk to the Mali emergency office center.

487
00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:37,240
There's a lot of things that we assist with, so if, like, during the last corner

488
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:42,880
lows, we have our drone teams that are, they fall under, technically, the real-time

489
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,600
operations center, leadership, so we were tasked with going out and assisting with different

490
00:44:50,180 --> 00:44:53,160
things as far as damage assessment or whatnot with the drones.

491
00:44:55,340 --> 00:44:59,000
So when they need help, help with things and we go and we assist.

492
00:45:01,010 --> 00:45:23,310
Okay, and then since you've had these since 2025, except for the 11 legendary ones, if we would have had these, like, say during the fire in West Maui, they wouldn't have been operational because we didn't have any Wi-Fi cellular, is that how that works?

493
00:45:23,310 --> 00:45:30,170
would they still be taking photos and just not transmitting them

494
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:32,870
until the Wi-Fi cellular is operational?

495
00:45:34,350 --> 00:45:37,210
Yeah, so basically, if we had them during the fire,

496
00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:39,790
all the images would have been stored on that device.

497
00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:43,110
And then once the cellular and Wi-Fi went back up,

498
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:47,390
then all those images would be flowing back into the system

499
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:49,710
where we can actually see them.

500
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:51,990
OK, if the device isn't.

501
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:54,930
If it didn't burn down, yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:57,430
And or get damaged from the heat.

503
00:45:58,150 --> 00:46:03,070
And so we have currently 38 cameras, the 27 that we got

504
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:07,770
through the radio purchase and the 11 legendary.

505
00:46:08,750 --> 00:46:10,570
Yeah, and I believe there's some that stolen.

506
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:13,310
So I think there was like two or three

507
00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:17,850
that were taken the empire of course.

508
00:46:17,850 --> 00:46:28,990
And then, yeah, in Keehe, and there's a couple that they're trying to change out, but other than that, there is actually, let's see here, about 32.

509
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:37,630
We would have had, and two, National Park Service Bata Camera, we're trying to get there's online.

510
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:40,070
We can see theirs.

511
00:46:40,350 --> 00:46:41,850
They wanted us to see their feed.

512
00:46:41,850 --> 00:46:46,730
That one is not up yet, and then the Hawaii visitor bureau, that's the one that they want

513
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:51,070
to put at Twin Falls, we are trying to get there's life, but we're having issues with that

514
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:51,910
camera itself.

515
00:46:52,610 --> 00:46:56,330
So, technically that's two more, so it would be if we had all of them working, it would

516
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:56,810
be 40.

517
00:46:59,430 --> 00:47:10,530
And then I think in some other written testimonials brought up like, we're not, are we, is the

518
00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:13,290
public allowed to know where the cameras are,

519
00:47:13,470 --> 00:47:15,250
or is it more general terms,

520
00:47:15,450 --> 00:47:20,090
and is there specific areas where they cannot be like,

521
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:23,990
I'm thinking obviously you don't want to mean bathrooms,

522
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:29,110
or changing rooms, or those types of places,

523
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:32,970
but is there places where they absolutely cannot be

524
00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:34,870
and can the public know the locations

525
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:39,910
or just the generalities of where cameras

526
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:43,350
our could be cannot be.

527
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:44,350
Thank you for the question.

528
00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:46,730
It's on any public roadway.

529
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:51,990
So like bathrooms, there's no way we would ever put anything even outside.

530
00:47:52,290 --> 00:47:53,730
There's case law against those things.

531
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:58,150
So it's just on any public roadway.

532
00:47:58,150 --> 00:48:01,810
You know, if private property, if they have LPR cameras, that's on them.

533
00:48:02,050 --> 00:48:05,150
You know, if they want to share their information with us,

534
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:07,910
then we are grateful because then that helps us.

535
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:14,930
But there's no two way sharing we get the information we do not share it back and if the public wants to know where the cameras are

536
00:48:15,630 --> 00:48:20,590
Either you can see them on the roadways or there's that I think there's an app that you can

537
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:25,870
I don't know how it detect somebody can detect but it doesn't all it says is where they are

538
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:27,690
you know and so

539
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:33,370
What I'm hearing you see is the county only puts them on public roadways

540
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:40,310
I've heard from folks that there might be some in parks or things like that, would that not be the county?

541
00:48:42,540 --> 00:48:51,740
If there are cameras in a park state, it wouldn't be our cameras, it would be either parks department or some kind of security cameras that were put in to those areas.

542
00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:58,680
I know the concern of one of the tests the fires yesterday had mentioned was the cameras that face public, you know,

543
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,840
Yeah, probably private homes and whatnot.

544
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:02,620
I think that was our first test to fire from yesterday,

545
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,980
but all of our cameras face directly on public roadways,

546
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,480
where there is no real expectation of privacy,

547
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:15,600
because we are only looking for vehicle license plates.

548
00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:17,760
We're not looking for faces.

549
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:22,740
We're not looking for habits or workouts in the backyard,

550
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:24,340
or those types of things.

551
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:25,280
We're only concerned with vehicles.

552
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,760
Maybe I should clarify.

553
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,560
there could be common cameras in the parks,

554
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,940
but they're not police is ones.

555
00:49:32,180 --> 00:49:34,000
It could be parks one because they're dealing

556
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,400
with a lot of vandalism or things like that.

557
00:49:37,420 --> 00:49:37,740
Yes, correct.

558
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,720
And I know for sure, Klamo Park has them,

559
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,880
but they're mainly for the ocean, as far as safety

560
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,600
and whatnot.

561
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,040
I know that there's other cameras that

562
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,780
were put into certain locations, like the Park Mall,

563
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:55,380
we, just to monitor the parking areas and whatever,

564
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:59,980
maybe but yeah, we do not have access currently, oh my God.

565
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:11,780
And as Lieutenant Bonnecourt said, mentioned, if they want to share the feed, then we'll take it, and we'll use it for whatever public safety purposes that we may have.

566
00:50:11,780 --> 00:50:17,100
So, like if parks had a situation where they called the police because of vandalism,

567
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:24,500
then you may put a camera feed to see if you can get any information or if a private citizen,

568
00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:32,340
like I guess there is a string of deaths at monobot yard, and they have their own cameras,

569
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:38,840
and then you can put a camera feed because they reported a crime and you're trying to solve it.

570
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,440
So in those cases, we would actually contact, they had a security who would look through their

571
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,380
feeds and then basically download the information that will have that may help us in our

572
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:55,020
investigation. But as of this time, we do not have access and we cannot currently pull life

573
00:50:55,020 --> 00:51:08,820
feeds at this moment. And then, you know, since you said that this mini started in 2025 with the

574
00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:12,660
positive measures of success, like how do you

575
00:51:12,660 --> 00:51:14,860
or your key performance indicators?

576
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:21,420
So, basically, before I left about a year ago,

577
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,460
with the time we started recording,

578
00:51:23,660 --> 00:51:25,360
because we had the older cameras,

579
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,240
yeah, we were doing a demo for like two years,

580
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,740
and only the year we were actually recording data.

581
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,300
And because of our new RMS system,

582
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:36,820
which is our report management system,

583
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:46,060
It's a lot easier, it's going to be a lot easier for us to record these solvable crimes basically solvable crimes meaning like if your vehicle was stolen or

584
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:56,060
missing person we found them we found your vehicle or if there was a hidden run and we found the guy and we found the vehicle we found the guy these are all things that we did we have done

585
00:51:56,060 --> 00:52:05,560
That was about a year ago and we had at least 40 40 cases solved and that was within a year span and that was a

586
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:12,980
to murder suspect that was hit and run robbery suspect just from these cameras, just from

587
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:19,220
finding them going through one of the cameras and mind you that was 11 cameras. That was only

588
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:28,900
11 cameras. Now we have you know a lot more. So it leads to a solving of a case. It leads to

589
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:34,500
something that is what we want. We want that information. And with the retention you guys said

590
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:39,400
seven days, 30 days, and I know I'm going off script here, but the longer the better, because

591
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,720
a lot of times we can't do anything within the 30-day span if it's a case that our detectives

592
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:50,420
get. So if you guys can, please go longer at least three to five years, because that's other

593
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:59,520
departments. If it's seven days, the information going to be gone. Okay, and I did hear the bell.

594
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,360
I just was wanting to follow up on your key performance

595
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
in the catering or quality of the quantitative majors

596
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:07,800
of success.

597
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:13,320
It would be 11 cameras, one year, 40 cases solve.

598
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:15,140
That's how it would give somebody

599
00:53:15,140 --> 00:53:16,840
where to see an executive summary

600
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,760
or whatever you call it about majors of success.

601
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,660
That's how it would be reported.

602
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,200
Yes, and we can also go back through our records

603
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:34,100
over the last period since we've installed the cameras to time now that we can actually go back

604
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,480
and try to find out and get those numbers back to you folks.

605
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:48,300
Okay, because I think in New Orleans, their major success was like hours saved, like manpower,

606
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,560
or she, like, I

607
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,480
don't know, it's probably apple store

608
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,020
and it is, but like, the signs of Kahana situation,

609
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:03,880
you were able to go into their cameras,

610
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:06,680
which I think are probably closed caption,

611
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,240
but with the different speed, if you had access

612
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:14,120
to their closed caption, I think the gentleman,

613
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:17,500
unfortunately, it was found many hours later.

614
00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:26,000
if it was in real time, maybe you could have got to him sooner or something like that.

615
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:35,040
And then that's hours and potentially a life-seed or how can you, how can you measure

616
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:45,290
or can you measure man hours expedited through the use of the cameras or whatever?

617
00:54:46,570 --> 00:54:54,290
Yeah, with the RSAV, I mean, it could be described as being either the amount of RSAV

618
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:59,970
because of the technology cutting down and making police work a little more precise or RSAV.

619
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,160
That's far as, you know, special operations to look for certain vehicles and whatnot.

620
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:07,460
That's something that we could actually look into.

621
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:14,680
And we could actually, you know, discuss and maybe, you know, I guess they develop a reporting system or a report

622
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,880
that would actually verify or give you the up to the information on that.

623
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:28,980
Thank you. I think that would be important so that people can see why are we doing this?

624
00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:31,500
or not trying to spy on people,

625
00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:34,880
or trying to solve issues that get reported,

626
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:38,440
but it maybe needs to be worked out a little bit more.

627
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,660
I think everybody had their first and second

628
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:44,160
around opportunity, so I can go by hands,

629
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:47,520
re-eased, and we'll be five minute rounds from here.

630
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:53,080
Maybe one or two more rounds of just general questions,

631
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,920
and then we can maybe work on the bills, okay.

632
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,020
So whoever wants, okay, remember running for 90s,

633
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:02,560
follow by a member cook.

634
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,700
Well, the chair, and I'll have to leave in a couple minutes.

635
00:56:09,540 --> 00:56:14,180
So, okay, so in New Orleans,

636
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,980
their real-time crime center was just like a wall

637
00:56:18,940 --> 00:56:25,400
of TV screens with like videos of traffic in real time.

638
00:56:29,020 --> 00:56:42,260
And so, in my round one questions, I understand that the county's Motorola cameras do not take video, only photos images.

639
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:50,000
With the Twin Falls, in your response to, and I think this is opposite.

640
00:56:51,780 --> 00:56:54,700
And you're responsible to member for this.

641
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:02,160
Lieutenant Bucca, you said

642
00:57:04,530 --> 00:57:07,830
that it, it's not lies.

643
00:57:08,510 --> 00:57:11,470
When you say lies, you just mean lies and taking photos.

644
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:15,390
Thank you for the question.

645
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:17,330
Yeah, my name is a little hard sometimes.

646
00:57:18,090 --> 00:57:19,450
It actually isn't opiate.

647
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:23,510
We were having issues with the camera, so meaning lies, it's just not there yet.

648
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:32,030
You know I got your title wrong, but am I also but you're in your name?

649
00:57:32,170 --> 00:57:33,910
But that's okay.

650
00:57:34,670 --> 00:57:35,810
That's a hard one.

651
00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:38,330
Okay.

652
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:40,490
All right.

653
00:57:43,170 --> 00:57:44,210
With these cameras,

654
00:57:46,890 --> 00:57:48,450
can they take video?

655
00:57:49,690 --> 00:57:55,150
And we just are choose and the colony is choosing not to and is only just taking photos right now.

656
00:57:56,030 --> 00:58:04,530
These cameras cannot take the life feed, they have newer cameras out that do both that take life feed and that you can access, but these do not.

657
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:09,790
These actually, these cameras are actually equipped to do speed too, but we are not doing that.

658
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:15,110
Like to see if vehicles are speeding in areas, but we're just getting snapshots. We're not doing that.

659
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:26,960
All right, so some of the questions or concerns that we heard in testimony,

660
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:34,680
me like in other places where you know like in Chicago and Indiana, Kentucky, you have

661
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:45,600
like officers like watching women of interest, but this more this camera cannot do that.

662
00:58:50,890 --> 00:58:57,770
Women's of interest, they're talking about like stalking, stalking, okay, yeah, like ex-girlfriends

663
00:58:58,570 --> 00:59:04,730
So there are, there are departments that even if people interest you mean like potential

664
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:06,970
violators of crime.

665
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:10,050
I mean like attraction.

666
00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:15,270
So these cameras don't take any life feed or anything like that.

667
00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:20,810
There are departments that have caught officers trying to find out where their exes are.

668
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:22,610
And that's, you know what I mean?

669
00:59:22,670 --> 00:59:24,490
But those officers got in trouble and got fired.

670
00:59:24,490 --> 00:59:25,670
And those are other departments.

671
00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:28,710
That's why we have a policy, in effect,

672
00:59:29,330 --> 00:59:30,410
that if anything is ever caught,

673
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:32,770
because everything is logged, whoever goes on,

674
00:59:32,850 --> 00:59:33,970
whoever tracks anything,

675
00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:37,350
every single thing is logged, dated, and timed.

676
00:59:37,830 --> 00:59:39,810
So we will know that administrators on the system

677
00:59:39,810 --> 00:59:40,930
will know who does that.

678
00:59:42,070 --> 00:59:43,190
Does that add to your question?

679
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,100
Oh, hello.

680
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,620
Okay, I'm going to go to my meeting

681
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:50,800
and I'll be back.

682
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:51,260
My pleasure.

683
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,380
Thank you, member Cook.

684
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:54,980
Thank you, Chair.

685
00:59:54,980 --> 00:59:59,960
Um, I'm, I'm, I'm, thank you again for having.

686
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,020
This has been a really challenging for me personally. This has been one of the most distressed

687
01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:14,860
full issues and topics. The way I've been approached by people from my individual, representing

688
01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:20,000
and doing what they're doing. From dear friends who are writing and going like, I cook, I've

689
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,800
known you forever. You've got to tell me that you're not supportive of this. What's going on? I can't

690
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,920
support you if you do this kind of stuff.

691
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:32,200
So I want to, I'm going to talk for a minute.

692
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:37,020
I want to frame how I see this conversation and hopefully,

693
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,700
how I see it being represented.

694
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,500
And then where I am, as being a local resident,

695
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,620
and fortunate to be sitting here as a council member,

696
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:53,760
most of the testimony that we've received

697
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,700
and people who have written to me about concern,

698
01:00:57,500 --> 01:01:01,360
it's basically like this national surveillance narrative.

699
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,860
It's this, you know, quoting places all over the country,

700
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:09,520
Washington, D.C., which, whatever,

701
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,260
I'm just really disappointed,

702
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,980
and it's just disgusted with how the direction is gone.

703
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,520
But framing the use of the data platform,

704
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,760
like flock, in particular, or similar tech,

705
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,440
as a broad coordinated privacy threat connected to federal overreach.

706
01:01:27,100 --> 01:01:34,700
And now with the testimony here to Maui County MPD overreach.

707
01:01:37,500 --> 01:01:41,140
And I've strived to kind of like do what I do.

708
01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:43,460
Talk story and it's like, yeah, but this is this is different.

709
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:50,750
I look at it. We have a, and has it resonated with the people I'm talking to.

710
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:53,290
We have a small community reality,

711
01:01:53,570 --> 01:01:55,090
always a tight-knit community,

712
01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:58,270
use-alizing technology for local safety,

713
01:01:58,490 --> 01:02:00,670
traffic management, emergency response,

714
01:02:01,310 --> 01:02:03,110
not for political weaponization.

715
01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:05,830
And so I just want to foundationally,

716
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:07,350
that's how I see it.

717
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:10,070
And I want to, I want to be real personal for a minute.

718
01:02:10,890 --> 01:02:13,650
The nine of us have many different backgrounds,

719
01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:15,590
and many different political positions.

720
01:02:16,330 --> 01:02:19,690
And we clash radically.

721
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:28,530
we care for each other, doesn't matter how much I disagree, disagree whatever, it isn't like

722
01:02:28,530 --> 01:02:31,650
wanting harm or bad or undermining.

723
01:02:34,510 --> 01:02:37,950
And I get emotional because I mean I feel that I think we all

724
01:02:37,950 --> 01:02:44,810
feel that. And so this stereotyping and I feel this from outside and I'm not negating it because it

725
01:02:44,810 --> 01:02:52,350
events is happening all over, but I don't think it's happening here and to be, I feel

726
01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:58,610
like I'm playing defense, need to, I want to represent, I want to, I don't want to defend.

727
01:03:01,770 --> 01:03:05,630
I've gotten familiar with MPDs since I've been in office,

728
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:13,030
Kalama Park, meetings, you know,

729
01:03:13,030 --> 01:03:23,510
community policing, all of these things I've seen this interaction and this willingness and also I know you guys got one tough job

730
01:03:24,030 --> 01:03:25,750
the police department

731
01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:30,810
and I was joking with somebody other day it's like

732
01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:37,110
people don't come up to you and go like oh I'm guilty arrest me I did it I did it I did it people lie all the time

733
01:03:37,110 --> 01:03:42,270
people that deceptive all the time. I'm sign waving and everybody's on their camera at

734
01:03:42,270 --> 01:03:47,170
an intersection and everybody. It's just a habit. People drive 60 miles an hour and 35

735
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:51,430
miles an hour and they're saying, but everybody's doing it so it's safe. I'm just sharing

736
01:03:51,430 --> 01:04:02,710
with you. I'm hoping that people hear this and see this and can pause and open up the

737
01:04:03,570 --> 01:04:07,570
to understand that this is a very intense issue,

738
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:10,850
it's a very serious issue and also thank God,

739
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:11,590
this is Maui.

740
01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:12,930
We're in island.

741
01:04:13,270 --> 01:04:15,970
People aren't driving in and out of here.

742
01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:18,210
You know, and I never got it,

743
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:19,530
people still in cars here.

744
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:20,650
There's nowhere to go.

745
01:04:21,790 --> 01:04:23,490
So having said that,

746
01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:25,610
that sort of set the stage for my questions.

747
01:04:29,580 --> 01:04:37,600
I see like the question of that my colleague made, so it goes into the cloud for Motorola.

748
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,500
I interpret that sort of just like the hard drive landing point that like the other cloud service was used.

749
01:04:45,860 --> 01:04:49,640
You can access it when you need it and it's stored.

750
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,160
I guess the question for that is how secure is that?

751
01:04:56,820 --> 01:04:58,800
So it's a seed is compliant.

752
01:04:59,160 --> 01:04:59,980
So that is...

753
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,680
That is what police departments go off of is the criminal justice information system. That's

754
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:15,360
a serious, compliant government entity server. That is where the information is stored. I know

755
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:21,640
people get scared when it comes to technology, but technology is here. We are just doing our due diligence

756
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:28,000
and making it the safest for anybody's information. And nobody's personal information is ever

757
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:34,660
kept on there. No personal information. That's all you have to, just because we have a license plate up there,

758
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,600
doesn't mean I know who's one that is. Unless I have an investigation then I can grab it.

759
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:51,710
If I may enclosing, because I heard the bell,

760
01:05:54,090 --> 01:05:57,150
the bottom line is developing trust and

761
01:05:57,910 --> 01:06:05,370
And I just say, again, pausing in the, is this happening here and if the people

762
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:10,830
are working with, and so I'm just hoping that the people who are very concerned about

763
01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:11,210
this.

764
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:13,570
And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's the concerns real.

765
01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:21,690
It's just how applicable is it to hear how what opportunities we collectively have as

766
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:29,390
community, government, the agencies, the administration, and the public to work together to

767
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:33,850
identify that, okay, we don't want that here, let's have the best transparent communication

768
01:06:33,850 --> 01:06:41,710
we can have. Thank you for your, you know, your monol and just sharing your heart on this whole

769
01:06:41,710 --> 01:06:46,650
in this whole topic. Your job is just as hard as our job, you know, you guys have to make decisions

770
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:53,910
and taking the best information you can to make those decisions for us, it's a lot of times

771
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:57,990
it's damn what we do and damn what we don't.

772
01:06:57,990 --> 01:07:03,430
The person has their cars, I mean social media for instance, sometimes someone's cars

773
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:03,810
stolen.

774
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:08,850
If you look on there and say, oh, where is MPD, how come MPD's not looking for my car and everything

775
01:07:08,850 --> 01:07:09,350
else?

776
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:14,630
I mean, it's never needed until they need it, if that makes sense.

777
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:19,030
You know, people never think about it until they actually need it.

778
01:07:19,290 --> 01:07:22,730
You know, if their loved one is injured, if they're not loved one is missing, or whatever

779
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:25,930
may be, or if their car is stolen, you know, help me to find my car.

780
01:07:26,650 --> 01:07:31,270
I know one of the testifiers have mentioned coconut wireless and, you know, we do use some

781
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:36,470
coconut wireless as well, but for some reason, you know, the coconut wireless is always anonymous,

782
01:07:37,150 --> 01:07:39,250
and anonymous information is in useful information.

783
01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:42,390
You know, unfortunately, and that's just the truth of the game.

784
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:50,270
But for this particular topic, I mean, it is our goal, our 100% goal to build trust.

785
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:57,770
The whole platform of 21st community policing came from Barack Obama, so if it is a political issue,

786
01:07:58,230 --> 01:08:02,810
I know a bunch of the testifiers I had mentioned that we are under a MAGA regime,

787
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:07,710
but the fact of the matter that this whole policing thing, community policing,

788
01:08:07,710 --> 01:08:11,450
those six pillars of community policing came from Barack Obama.

789
01:08:11,950 --> 01:08:18,210
So if it is a political issue, then it actually started off from a different party, not the party where I'm there correct, yes.

790
01:08:19,170 --> 01:08:25,890
So with that being said, our goal, again, is to ensure community safety, protection of life and property.

791
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:31,870
That's always our goal, and tools like this will assist us in doing so.

792
01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:38,310
I mean, I know, you look at any type of job, you know, McDonald's, Burger King Taco Bell,

793
01:08:38,530 --> 01:08:40,370
you know, to the top of the platform.

794
01:08:41,230 --> 01:08:43,630
You know, is there issues in those workplaces?

795
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:50,130
There's always going to work issues and always comes down to the intent and the heart of the person who's in control of it.

796
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:56,030
You know, so, I mean, our thing is that, you know, we endure, we serve with our hearts, we give our all.

797
01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,490
You know, I mean, do we have family members that, you know, in our lives that make mistakes?

798
01:09:00,010 --> 01:09:00,410
Yeah, we do.

799
01:09:00,410 --> 01:09:04,750
We all have them. We don't have perfect families. We don't have perfect, you know,

800
01:09:04,970 --> 01:09:09,230
Johannes, but the thing is that we continue to move forward and stick to our goal, stick to

801
01:09:09,230 --> 01:09:13,230
the plan, and our goal is to provide the best service that we can to our community.

802
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:17,560
Thank you, Nama Gansen.

803
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:24,510
Thank you, Chair. This is just a couple of follow-up questions in regards to the

804
01:09:25,450 --> 01:09:30,690
the radios that got bundled, or I mean the cameras that got bundled with the radios.

805
01:09:31,790 --> 01:09:36,170
Was the council ever informed that the cameras were going to be bundled with the radios?

806
01:09:36,350 --> 01:09:37,730
I don't recall that during that discussion.

807
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:43,010
I remember how expensive the radios were and I just didn't know that that included cameras.

808
01:09:43,450 --> 01:09:46,010
Were we ever informed, did you guys ever tell us that?

809
01:09:48,180 --> 01:09:54,980
I do not know, I wasn't there during that time about during that time.

810
01:09:54,980 --> 01:09:59,420
I know that the wear system, the real-time operations center.

811
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:10,860
I know that was mentioned that it was going to be in the next contract during the RMS CAD system contract.

812
01:10:12,140 --> 01:10:13,440
And then so.

813
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:22,580
Okay, I just remember the discussion and I don't recall having cameras included in the radios.

814
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:32,740
I want to pivot and I really appreciate you guys have an anti-stalking policy because that's a big concern of mine.

815
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:45,340
I know we talk about bad apples and everything, but the idea that you guys are getting ahead of it, which is great. I love that. Thank you for that.

816
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:55,100
I know that's there, the cameras that we have now are just taking pictures, but the department's

817
01:10:55,100 --> 01:11:02,180
intention to eventually move to taking video and if so, will you guys let us know if you're

818
01:11:02,180 --> 01:11:03,300
planning to do that?

819
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:18,030
I mean, any purchases that we are, you know, either procure through RFPs or, you know,

820
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:19,870
are purchasing the apartment.

821
01:11:20,510 --> 01:11:23,550
So if we are moving towards purchasing any new equipment

822
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:27,390
that may be able to do the things that we are addressing here

823
01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:29,390
today, yes, you will be notified.

824
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:31,470
Is that your intention?

825
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:33,170
Yes.

826
01:11:35,070 --> 01:11:35,630
OK, eventually.

827
01:11:36,410 --> 01:11:38,490
Again, it was just a matter of tools.

828
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:40,670
What tools can we have on their tool

829
01:11:40,670 --> 01:11:42,370
well, in a little bit of a server community?

830
01:11:49,360 --> 01:12:08,620
You know, I'll save my discussion for when we do get into the bill, but I looked, I was looking at the bills, and I was looking for ways that we could just outright put a moratorium on county buildings and county roads, but I don't think there's a way for that to make it for me to make an amendment.

831
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:21,740
And I also feel like if we're at 40, I would prefer to maybe cap it 40, but I don't really feel that I'm having any kind of traction in that opinion, but that's where I'm at on this, I think my questions were answered for now.

832
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,120
I appreciate that. Thank you, Chair.

833
01:12:25,180 --> 01:12:27,700
Thank you, Member Johnson and Member Sinente.

834
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:40,020
Hello, Chair and I apologize if there was a previous discussion on data, particular data centers.

835
01:12:40,300 --> 01:12:47,320
I know some of the testimony referred to data centers, the collection of the amount of data.

836
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:58,920
So, who would be storing this data that doesn't require that we get more storage or units

837
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:06,320
to store this data if the data will be protected and only access for the warrant.

838
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:17,820
or an anus for budget purposes will this also be a request for next year's budget?

839
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:25,680
So, you're asking if the data is stored anywhere else than the SD card basically on the camera?

840
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:26,500
Yeah.

841
01:13:27,420 --> 01:13:29,180
Thank you, Councilmember.

842
01:13:30,620 --> 01:13:35,800
So the SD card is like SD card because I know there's a little confusion but it's just

843
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:41,540
the one in your cell phone. So it's like a a link that goes up. So so once that information

844
01:13:41,540 --> 01:13:48,060
say if it it block with Wi-Fi was out or there was no cellular in that area it would store on

845
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:55,520
that and then go up into the secured government CGS compliant entity is where it's stored.

846
01:13:56,220 --> 01:14:02,520
nowhere else is it stored? You can't grab this SD card off of one of the cameras by breaking it open

847
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:12,040
taking that information, you cannot, and the only information is those still pictures of a vehicle

848
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:13,080
with a license plate.

849
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,580
Okay, thank you for that. Perfection. I think, you know, hearing all about

850
01:14:20,580 --> 01:14:27,600
this heat data centers across the nation, we might, we're not at that level of data collection yet.

851
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:36,660
I just add to that real quick. I know, I know there's a scare with the whole flock in the whole

852
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:47,640
You know hacking of that information right and that's why a lot of people are scared right and they don't trust government entities and stuff like that totally understandable

853
01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:59,980
Fluck owns and keeps the data. So they want the more people they have that by their cameras, they keep that data. We keep our data our analytics, you know

854
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:14,360
White, white Toyota truck. We want to search our information. We can search it that way. We keep that information. Nobody else gets that information. Not flock, not Motorola. We have that on that as ours and that's owned by us.

855
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:20,180
And that's written part of if we are in contract with any of these companies.

856
01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:21,820
Yes. Yes.

857
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:23,020
More or less solutions.

858
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:29,720
So it is in there when we get that information that they cannot access these cameras.

859
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:32,520
Thanks, O.T.

860
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:33,580
Thanks, Chair.

861
01:15:34,700 --> 01:15:36,620
Shipping, member Batangman.

862
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:38,920
Thank you, Chair.

863
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:46,340
I'd like to start off by also acknowledging the tension between civil liberties and public safety.

864
01:15:46,340 --> 01:15:56,160
And I want to commend you for bringing this conversation forward and trying to thread the needle with these two bills.

865
01:15:57,340 --> 01:16:01,140
And I think we shared the sentiment from the community.

866
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:08,520
And I think the conversation we're having now goes a long way in addressing some of the concerns in building public trust.

867
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:20,020
I especially like the portions of the bill that limit access, require audit and accountability.

868
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,620
And so I just want to start there.

869
01:16:26,300 --> 01:16:34,900
I asked yesterday about questions related to cryptocurrency and prosecuting attorneys requested amendments.

870
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:38,340
I think we heard from prosecuting attorney.

871
01:16:38,620 --> 01:16:40,360
I saw an email with one of them.

872
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,340
Did we get both of your requests and languages?

873
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,840
No, no, we have additional suggested language in the time.

874
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,560
So I guess I'll hold for that.

875
01:16:51,480 --> 01:16:58,960
Then I do have a question for police and the license plate readers.

876
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:07,840
You know, the bill before us limits use to criminal activity, has the technology been used

877
01:17:08,780 --> 01:17:15,320
for enforcement on civil traffic violations and is there any contemplation of that doing so?

878
01:17:15,420 --> 01:17:16,720
Are you guys doing so?

879
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,540
So currently, all we're focused on is criminal activity.

880
01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:24,700
There has not been any citations issued with the use of cameras.

881
01:17:24,700 --> 01:17:29,900
You know, as Lutheran, of course, you said that the cameras do have that capabilities, but we haven't used it.

882
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:39,880
Did you want? I think there's a state statute that prohibits not.

883
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:40,980
You mentioned that previously.

884
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:42,100
Thank you, Chair.

885
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:54,440
And then, for a corp console, on the definition of criminal intelligence information under Bill 113,

886
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,220
It might be the same for both, but I have it up on 113.

887
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:04,080
Criminal intelligence information means information is relevant to the identification

888
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,800
of and the criminal activity engaged in by an individual or organization

889
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,540
reasonably suspected of involvement in criminal activity, et cetera.

890
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,560
Can you help me understand this?

891
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,540
Because on one hand, I read this to me that you have to be already reasonably

892
01:18:21,540 --> 01:18:27,980
suspected of involvement in crimin activity, but on the other hand, that the information can be used for identification.

893
01:18:30,690 --> 01:18:32,190
Am I just misinterpreting this?

894
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,020
Thanks. Can you help me understand the definition of criminal

895
01:18:41,020 --> 01:18:48,940
intelligence information as it's presented in Bill 113? Because I see that

896
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:56,560
it's information relevant to identifying crimin activity. But on the other hand, you also need to be reasonably

897
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,420
suspected of being involved in a criminal activity.

898
01:18:59,740 --> 01:19:02,800
So I see tension in this definition here.

899
01:19:04,180 --> 01:19:06,540
And would like either you to clarify that I'm mistaken

900
01:19:08,180 --> 01:19:14,520
or provide alternative language to help clean that up.

901
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:15,720
Oh, remember, Tangan,

902
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:18,980
that's the section

903
01:19:18,980 --> 01:19:23,080
that talks about consistency in sweet title 20,

904
01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:25,840
quote of federal regulations, part 23.

905
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:34,540
I do have a copy of that if it would help, but I'll also yield to our attorneys and I can have staff.

906
01:19:34,540 --> 01:19:39,040
He looks like he's contemplating. So if you can give him a minute, would you mind?

907
01:19:39,620 --> 01:19:52,660
Yeah, and I can have staff upload on what we have about 20 CFR 23 as well, because I guess, you know, federal regulations are higher than state regulations,

908
01:19:52,660 --> 01:19:54,500
and they're higher than county regulations,

909
01:19:54,980 --> 01:19:57,140
kind of like Mr. Martin had previously said.

910
01:19:57,300 --> 01:19:59,740
So we've got to abide, stay in our lane.

911
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:06,300
If this is language taken from elsewhere that's already been approved, then I'm comfortable. Thank you, Chair.

912
01:20:06,820 --> 01:20:09,090
Did the lawyers have anything to add to his?

913
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:19,620
So I did have a title 28 code of federal regulations part 23 up that definition that is included in here is fairly consistent with it.

914
01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:30,460
I understand your question about it being consistent, but I mean, it's information relevant.

915
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:31,800
So

916
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:40,460
it means that there's a person or an individual, an individual or an organization that

917
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:44,940
is suspected of involvement in a criminal activity.

918
01:20:45,940 --> 01:20:51,460
And this just means information that's relevant to that suspected criminal activity.

919
01:20:51,460 --> 01:20:56,540
Okay, so it's to the suspected activity, not that you have to be previously identified.

920
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,960
Okay, understood. Thank you, Chair.

921
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:09,420
Your NM staff is going to make copies and upload the C28 CFR Part 23 to Bill 13.

922
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:14,400
So when she finishes that, you can refresh and get a copy of that as well.

923
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:15,660
Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Corporal.

924
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:19,020
Member Uhu Hodgins.

925
01:21:23,850 --> 01:21:24,390
Thank you, Chair.

926
01:21:25,610 --> 01:21:38,970
I know I was talking about movies. I don't mean to make just super light of this situation, but sometimes I feel like that's my only reference point to really get a grasp on how this works because all of it is a lot for me.

927
01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:52,010
And this might be kind of simple, but if we ever do have facial recognition technology, how do you get an image of the person to look for?

928
01:21:52,010 --> 01:22:05,770
Is it when somebody is going to provide it for to you like if there's somebody missing or you do a Google search or how do you get the photo to start doing your facial recognition in those cameras?

929
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,260
Thank you for the question.

930
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:23,660
So, once or if we moved that direction, I'm not in that section anymore. However, the way that would work is if you got it from say it's a missing person.

931
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:29,200
say you give me a picture on your phone or print it all picture or whatever it is. It would go

932
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:36,160
in a separate program that we would have. We would scan it in and then that scan will look at all

933
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:42,420
the images throughout the facial recognition or whatever cameras have. This is how this normally works

934
01:22:43,700 --> 01:22:50,800
or into that system so it would alert similar features and stuff like that. That would pinpoint

935
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:56,920
on this photo. So that way we would actually look at the photo again and run it through different

936
01:22:56,920 --> 01:23:02,120
additional checks. So it's just not some Joe Small on the on the road, you know what I mean?

937
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:07,160
It is actually a fact that person. And that's just a lead leading to who that may be.

938
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:15,840
And then in the event where it's more of like a criminal activity like in high cool recently,

939
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:23,160
we had a couple teenagers attempt to break into a smoke shop and you know there was video online

940
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:29,080
and they're throwing rocks at the window. I think some one of the children had a gun in their

941
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:35,160
hand and they were using the butt of the gun to attempt to break the window. In that case where you

942
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:41,740
know we have cameras there's clearly footage. It's not like a parent is providing you with a photo

943
01:23:41,740 --> 01:23:46,140
that I know of. How do you take an image from somebody else's private

944
01:23:46,140 --> 01:23:50,740
camera and put it on to your camera to potentially find those individuals?

945
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,260
How does that work? It's the it's the same concept so like if we get a clip of of

946
01:23:55,260 --> 01:24:00,620
whatever it is and now we have it say it's on a flash drive or something or they sent it to

947
01:24:00,620 --> 01:24:06,580
us via email or however we got that actual footage that footage or clip of that would be

948
01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:10,600
place through our software, and again, we do not have the

949
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:13,480
server software right now, but that's how it usually works.

950
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,960
You put that image or video through the software, and then it

951
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:23,420
takes frame by frame, still images of that face or whatever you're

952
01:24:23,420 --> 01:24:27,080
looking at, and then it goes through our software to identify who

953
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,380
that person would be.

954
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:30,040
That's usually how that works.

955
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:34,380
And then I have another question, and it seems silly, but

956
01:24:34,380 --> 01:24:41,240
me, it's not silly. So, it's easy to change your, what your face looks like, like right now,

957
01:24:41,300 --> 01:24:46,600
and the bartender looks like Jeff Goldblum, you know, what his beard. If he was to shave his beard,

958
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:53,280
how would we track his facial features, hypothetically? You know, like, if somebody like Na Hulu

959
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:58,820
shaved yesterday, he looked like a whole different person. So, and women can't do all kinds of things

960
01:24:58,820 --> 01:24:59,980
in their face, we can die.

961
01:25:01,100 --> 01:25:07,480
How do you track, and I know this sounds silly, but it is legitimate, like, how do you track potentially

962
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:13,380
somebody's face when you can shave your beard or you can dye your hair orange or you can

963
01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:21,860
unite me, do a chokebow talks and look completely different than the week before. How do you keep up with

964
01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:25,420
like somebody's ever changing face.

965
01:25:25,420 --> 01:25:26,480
Like if I was able to put my hair down,

966
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,940
I look like a whole different person.

967
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:30,980
So how do you keep track?

968
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:33,100
So using Andy as an example.

969
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:35,620
You're sorry.

970
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:36,420
I'm sorry.

971
01:25:36,980 --> 01:25:38,360
So if you're the color is hair red,

972
01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:39,840
you know, give them a green beard.

973
01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:42,480
It still recognizes the brawl structure,

974
01:25:43,300 --> 01:25:44,740
cheek structure, and nose.

975
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,620
So all those are identifying factors.

976
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,280
And the same way that an artist would draw a picture

977
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,820
of a sketch, you know, they'll describe, you know, how this is

978
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:56,700
personal, is not looking or not, but the technology will do it

979
01:25:56,700 --> 01:26:00,620
at that for us. And you probably look good right here, by the way.

980
01:26:01,700 --> 01:26:06,620
You know, I think you can pull up anything. So, um, okay, what happens

981
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:11,500
when our technology advances, because we, that it is advancing

982
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:20,260
every single day, um, how do we catch up to what's available and how

983
01:26:20,260 --> 01:26:27,720
create legislation and policy. Like I feel like we apparently are linked to the party and then

984
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:33,320
I was pulled around the wrong side of history in testimony. So how do you think as somebody who

985
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:39,240
has to work with this technology and us on our end that we have to legislate this technology?

986
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:44,780
What do we do when technology advances? How do we communicate with you folks? How do you communicate

987
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:52,160
with the public to let us know when there's changes and whatever is being proposed or whatever

988
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:58,260
type of camera is upgraded or whatever. And, Chair, I heard my bell, but thank you.

989
01:26:59,220 --> 01:27:02,580
Yeah, and to address that, we're always going to be approached by companies that are coming

990
01:27:02,580 --> 01:27:09,860
out with new technology tools that better certain departments and certain organizations around

991
01:27:09,860 --> 01:27:15,040
the world or the different around the country, we look at it and we determine if it's going

992
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,480
to help us here.

993
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,900
And you know, if it's an improvement from what we have right now, we don't

994
01:27:22,900 --> 01:27:27,280
just get the latest and greatest because it's the coolest thing and we just want technology.

995
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,660
We want to see if we can develop it to make it work for us and better the community here.

996
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:40,580
So, and of course we have, that's why this legislation is important so we can follow the guidelines

997
01:27:40,580 --> 01:27:46,360
are here or we try to request a change or what not but you know it's not just okay this is

998
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:51,840
the latest let's go forward and not tell anybody we follow the process to get this stuff.

999
01:27:53,300 --> 01:28:00,620
Okay thanks thank you chair. Thank you. Chair Lee did you need an opportunity or should I go?

1000
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:11,230
Okay before I get into my questions on bill 113 which is where I think was start because you said that

1001
01:28:11,230 --> 01:28:14,710
You don't have any facial recognition technology software.

1002
01:28:15,290 --> 01:28:19,630
So maybe we're ahead of that one, but behind of the ALPR one.

1003
01:28:21,090 --> 01:28:26,190
You mentioned that there's newer technology that does live streams, that combines facial

1004
01:28:26,190 --> 01:28:31,110
technology and that, and that I think, you know, there was money included in the budget,

1005
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:34,690
and you would like to expand the ALPR.

1006
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:45,950
Is it the same exact technology that you're looking into for the expansion or were you going

1007
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:54,170
to use the budgeted funds for live stream type capabilities, facial recognition, integration,

1008
01:28:55,530 --> 01:29:02,850
capabilities or is it the exact same capabilities as what you've described that we have?

1009
01:29:03,930 --> 01:29:09,210
Yeah, right now with the LPR, the license plate readers, any expansion would be similar

1010
01:29:09,210 --> 01:29:12,090
technology, just more of them throughout the island.

1011
01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:16,650
We don't have just the positioning of the cameras.

1012
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:22,830
I don't see how they could be beneficial for facial recognition anyway, even if they say

1013
01:29:22,830 --> 01:29:23,790
they do this.

1014
01:29:24,510 --> 01:29:29,750
It's one tool that does one thing, and there's much better ways to do facial recognition

1015
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:33,430
that we'd look at first is trying to combine it into these systems.

1016
01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:41,110
OK, so your intention is to expand on intersection, roadways, still cameras,

1017
01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:42,930
taking shots of license plate.

1018
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:48,170
Yeah, and we wouldn't do live feeds with these cameras either.

1019
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:53,590
They are very, they're fixed in place, and they have a very narrow field of view that

1020
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:58,810
will actually check for optical character recognition, the way the camera's work.

1021
01:29:58,810 --> 01:29:59,290
so.

1022
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:26,380
I'm sorry. No pan killed soon. No, none of these can do that. They're fixed in place. Okay. Okay. I had some questions. Oh, my love to start with Bill 13. Since we currently have OPRs and we don't currently have facial recognition technology for police or court counsel on Bill 13 could number three, where it is documented. Oh, I'm sorry.

1023
01:30:26,380 --> 01:30:37,140
documented law enforcement nexus definition be shortened to say connect the query to

1024
01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:45,260
disclosure, sorry, connect the query or disclosure to a legitimate law enforcement purpose

1025
01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:57,020
because the requirements in number three are already defined for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

1026
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:09,980
That's on page two of Bill 113, 8.38 or one or number three.

1027
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:26,400
if we say connect the query or disclosure to a legitimate law enforcement purpose because that is described below we could amend a criminal offense to say a specific criminal offense.

1028
01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:36,780
Is there any issue with cutting out part three because legitimate law enforcement purposes defined below?

1029
01:31:36,780 --> 01:31:37,800
Thank

1030
01:31:40,650 --> 01:31:45,390
you, Chair. Yeah, I actually think that that's a good idea because it is a little bit repetitive as written.

1031
01:31:47,070 --> 01:31:55,210
The kind of five standards that you have under the query or disclosure are consistent with the five things listed under legitimate law enforcement purpose.

1032
01:31:56,170 --> 01:32:01,890
Okay, great. And then on the next page three where it says a private entity.

1033
01:32:03,410 --> 01:32:21,890
What agency is being referred to where it says private entity means a person except for an agency or a government or other government to entity is the agency being referred to a law enforcement agency or

1034
01:32:27,550 --> 01:32:32,370
Mr McNight had helped us with some of this legislation.

1035
01:32:32,370 --> 01:32:34,090
but I think he's on vacation.

1036
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:43,570
Yes, the private entity refers to anyone besides a law enforcement agency.

1037
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:50,970
So, you know, anyone, I guess, that owns a camera or whatever, maybe.

1038
01:32:52,190 --> 01:32:54,310
I think that's what he's referring to.

1039
01:32:54,530 --> 01:32:56,870
And it's not, you know, like a law enforcement agency.

1040
01:32:57,490 --> 01:32:59,370
So, you could be, you know, long for the DLE.

1041
01:33:00,230 --> 01:33:04,630
You could be, you know, anyone who's, you know, possesses those cameras.

1042
01:33:04,630 --> 01:33:17,490
So would it make sense to say private entity means a person except for law enforcement agency or any other or other governmental entity would that make sense?

1043
01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:21,030
Yes.

1044
01:33:21,710 --> 01:33:21,830
Okay.

1045
01:33:22,470 --> 01:33:23,450
Thank you.

1046
01:33:23,450 --> 01:33:32,690
And then for police or court counsel in Subsection 8.38.0308.0301113,

1047
01:33:33,290 --> 01:33:39,130
could it be simplified to say an authorized LPR user

1048
01:33:39,130 --> 01:33:45,250
may query LPR data only where a documented law enforcement

1049
01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:47,670
nexus exists?

1050
01:33:48,610 --> 01:33:52,210
Because the definition for documented law enforcement

1051
01:33:52,210 --> 01:33:57,610
next is appears to contain the same specifications in subsection A.

1052
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,640
Yeah, that would make that make sense to me.

1053
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:14,600
Would you, you're sorry, you'd be saying that you would be law enforcement nexus instead?

1054
01:34:16,810 --> 01:34:17,070
Yeah.

1055
01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:24,330
That that would make sense because the definition that we discussed of law enforcement nexus and references law enforcement purpose.

1056
01:34:24,710 --> 01:34:27,370
So they kind of saying the same thing here twice.

1057
01:34:27,370 --> 01:34:31,670
Okay, members, I had two more questions related to the bill.

1058
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:34,090
You guys, mine if I take care of these time?

1059
01:34:35,550 --> 01:34:36,470
Okay, thanks.

1060
01:34:37,670 --> 01:34:40,410
And then for court counsel on bill 13,

1061
01:34:42,470 --> 01:34:45,570
because an amendment will be needed to say the

1062
01:34:45,570 --> 01:34:51,970
accounting must not execute or renew contract should the section title be revised to

1063
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:57,270
when their disqualification or when their ineligibility.

1064
01:35:00,590 --> 01:35:05,150
That's on page 5, 8.3, 8.060.

1065
01:35:07,250 --> 01:35:13,750
Yeah, I'm not really sure that necessarily matters, because part of their eligibility is whether or not they're

1066
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:20,870
ineligible, right? I don't, I think it's either way. It doesn't matter, it's at your

1067
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:34,670
discretion. Okay. And then the last one is on 8.38.050 on contracts in special conditions will work

1068
01:35:34,670 --> 01:35:43,550
in practice and if there's any suggested revisions to the language. So I did actually have a

1069
01:35:43,550 --> 01:35:45,670
adjusted revision on this one.

1070
01:35:46,170 --> 01:35:49,490
So it says every county contract for an ALPR system

1071
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:52,110
or for the ALPR service must include

1072
01:35:52,110 --> 01:35:53,670
the following special conditions.

1073
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:57,230
I would suggest maybe having that instead say something

1074
01:35:57,230 --> 01:36:01,410
along the lines of must include special conditions

1075
01:36:01,410 --> 01:36:03,010
consistent with the following.

1076
01:36:03,610 --> 01:36:07,190
That would kind of allow us to adjust the language a little bit

1077
01:36:07,190 --> 01:36:11,430
as written this specific wording would have to be in there.

1078
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:17,730
If we have something in there that says consistent with these conditions, we could wordsmith it a little bit to

1079
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:19,330
more contract appropriate language.

1080
01:36:20,270 --> 01:36:22,330
Okay. All right. Thank you.

1081
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:32,590
We had considered part C of 18.38.030 could potentially be an administrative rules.

1082
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:36,770
But then we were informed that police don't generally have administrative rules.

1083
01:36:36,770 --> 01:36:43,350
What they have is general orders which aren't so much a public process, so then in that

1084
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:53,850
case it made sense to codify it here, but as this works out, if there are changes, then

1085
01:36:53,850 --> 01:37:01,730
we'll just have to come back in and make amendments to this section of the code that

1086
01:37:01,730 --> 01:37:10,370
I think on the next round, if we can start working on Bill 113, that would be great.

1087
01:37:11,130 --> 01:37:21,870
How do folks feel about five to ten minutes recess at this point? Yes. Five minutes, ten minutes. Ten. Okay.

1088
01:37:22,510 --> 01:37:30,210
We will be back at ten forty seven recess for ten minutes and forty seven. Thank you.

1089
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:31,210
Well,

1090
01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:48,380
the drip committee meeting of September 3rd,

1091
01:37:48,380 --> 01:37:49,740
recess from September 2nd,

1092
01:37:49,740 --> 01:37:52,080
returns order the time is 1101.

1093
01:37:52,980 --> 01:37:54,500
Thank you members for that break.

1094
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,300
We did work on some verbiage.

1095
01:37:56,940 --> 01:38:00,660
If there are no objections at this time,

1096
01:38:00,740 --> 01:38:06,340
I would love to move on with bill number 113CD1,

1097
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:10,560
a bill for an ordinance establishing Chapter 8.38,

1098
01:38:10,820 --> 01:38:12,640
Maui County Code on the disclosure.

1099
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:17,960
So, in commercial use of automated license plate reader data,

1100
01:38:21,170 --> 01:38:23,450
any objection to that course of action?

1101
01:38:25,620 --> 01:38:25,860
Number two.

1102
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:26,520
Sorry, Chair.

1103
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:35,520
You said CD1, I am working off of just, I don't have a CD1 version.

1104
01:38:35,980 --> 01:38:36,520
Oh, okay.

1105
01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:37,160
I'm sorry.

1106
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:39,740
I don't know why it says CD1 on mine.

1107
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,040
And my staff and my, am I missing something on granicous?

1108
01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:46,980
Apologies, share.

1109
01:38:46,980 --> 01:38:52,580
So we did send a CD1 version to court counsel just incorporating on substantive revisions

1110
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:54,100
just for their review in comments.

1111
01:38:54,100 --> 01:38:56,340
So we don't have enough amendments.

1112
01:38:56,460 --> 01:38:57,420
I also want to remove that.

1113
01:38:57,940 --> 01:38:58,120
Okay.

1114
01:38:59,260 --> 01:38:59,940
All right.

1115
01:39:02,250 --> 01:39:07,470
So during the break, we had been working briefly with the prosecuting attorney and court

1116
01:39:07,470 --> 01:39:13,410
on some of the amendments to this bill because it was rushed because we wanted to try and take it up

1117
01:39:13,410 --> 01:39:20,750
before the South Montgomery Community Plan which is going to shut things down for like about a month of other committees.

1118
01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:33,450
So, at this time, I would love to entertain a motion to recommend passing of bill 113 in 26 on first reading.

1119
01:39:36,300 --> 01:39:41,220
move by member Batonga and second by member U-Hajans.

1120
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,000
Okay, excuse me, Chair.

1121
01:39:43,940 --> 01:39:46,800
As a C-1 version is undergradicus number three.

1122
01:39:47,260 --> 01:39:47,360
Okay.

1123
01:39:47,500 --> 01:39:52,280
We'll be working off the C-D-1 version on grandkids number three folks.

1124
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:58,140
And it would include any non-substantive changes or revisions.

1125
01:40:00,210 --> 01:40:02,310
Okay. So,

1126
01:40:09,450 --> 01:40:14,410
looking at page 2, granted case number 3, the CD-1 version,

1127
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:28,950
the first potential amendment based on deputy

1128
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:39,050
Corp Council rules notes to see if an amendment is necessary to the definition of authorized

1129
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:51,530
AOPR user to see an agency authorized under the structure to operate an AOPR system.

1130
01:40:52,330 --> 01:40:55,390
Deputy Corp Council rule, is that?

1131
01:40:59,480 --> 01:41:17,940
Yeah, that was a suggestion at a first flag, but now that I think about it because there is a code of federal regulations that is also kind of on point on this. I think that you know leaving it as authorized by the law would also encompass that as well as this chapter. So I actually think maybe we should just leave it.

1132
01:41:17,940 --> 01:41:19,740
Okay, great, great.

1133
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:28,460
All right, so moving on from that still on page two.

1134
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:34,210
If you guys are following on number three, 8.38.003,

1135
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:39,500
it's kind of the same as right below.

1136
01:41:40,460 --> 01:41:47,260
So I would entertain an amendment to amend number three

1137
01:41:47,260 --> 01:42:00,660
to say connect the query or disclosure to a legitimate law enforcement purpose, striking ABCD and

1138
01:42:00,660 --> 01:42:10,260
under there, and connecting it, be low to the definition of a legitimate law enforcement

1139
01:42:10,260 --> 01:42:22,360
purpose means 1, 2, 3, and 4, striking number 5 because that's covered under criminal offense.

1140
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:40,440
And then just we can strike the in the sentence law enforcement agency means a federal state or county agency with statutory authority to investigate criminal offenses or enforce criminal laws striking the word.

1141
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:51,240
So does everyone understand that first amendment would somebody like to move to make that amendment

1142
01:42:54,250 --> 01:42:57,990
move by member Batangang on second my member U-Hodians?

1143
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:02,820
So any discussion on that?

1144
01:43:02,820 --> 01:43:12,060
just tightening it up instead of kind of repeating the same thing twice. Number five is being

1145
01:43:12,620 --> 01:43:20,410
tricky and because it falls under number one. Any discussion by the members?

1146
01:43:22,610 --> 01:43:25,530
Nope. All in favor raise your hand and say aye.

1147
01:43:28,350 --> 01:43:30,250
Okay. Chair, you have eight eyes zero. No

1148
01:43:30,250 --> 01:43:32,510
one excuse, members, sigma or emotion passes.

1149
01:43:34,350 --> 01:43:35,630
Thank you.

1150
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,340
Moving on to page three definitions.

1151
01:43:43,860 --> 01:43:44,500
Their

1152
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:52,500
private entity did we want to add means of person except for a

1153
01:43:52,500 --> 01:43:56,960
line, first one agency or other government entity was that something that

1154
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,940
we did say we wanted the beauty corp cultural rule?

1155
01:44:01,140 --> 01:44:01,660
Yes, thank you.

1156
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,600
I think that that would clarify what's meant by agency.

1157
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:05,600
OK.

1158
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:22,580
So, I'll entertain an amendment to insert the word except for a law enforcement agency or other government entity here for this definition at the top of Page 3.

1159
01:44:24,820 --> 01:44:31,620
By a member, Uhong, second by member Cook, all in fee, very raise your hand and say aye.

1160
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:34,220
All right.

1161
01:44:34,220 --> 01:44:38,680
Chair, once again, eight eyes, sir, and I was one excuse, members of the Gamora motion to amend passes.

1162
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:47,600
Thank you. Okay, the next one is also based on comments by Deputy Court Council rule.

1163
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,680
8.38.020.

1164
01:44:53,980 --> 01:44:59,960
Recommendation is to strike number D3 because it's in court.

1165
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:06,940
We're separated under D4. So we're going to be striking number 3, disclosure to a person

1166
01:45:06,940 --> 01:45:13,440
of a recording concerning that person, if required, are permitted by chapter 92, FOA revised statutes

1167
01:45:13,440 --> 01:45:22,360
are section 139 revised charter of the county of Maui. 1983 is amended because that is

1168
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:34,420
sufficiently addressed by number four. Any motion to amend 8.38.020 by striking D3 and

1169
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:42,920
re-numbering number four and five. Move by U-Hodding. Second of my member, Cook. Any

1170
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:43,420
discussion?

1171
01:45:46,110 --> 01:45:48,930
Seeing none all in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

1172
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:55,170
I'm going to be seeking more motion to amend passes.

1173
01:45:55,890 --> 01:45:57,110
Thank you.

1174
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:27,320
8.38.030 E and F

1175
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,060
to 4.

1176
01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:46,240
Deputy Court Council rule is an amendment needed to 8.308.030 E and F to rephrase the language.

1177
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,140
I

1178
01:46:49,570 --> 01:47:04,650
think it would be a good idea just because the way that it's presently written, it sounds like it's saying that the receiving agency must agree to further disseminate, which I don't think is part of what's intended.

1179
01:47:04,650 --> 01:47:13,730
So the suggestion that I had would be to have the first sentence be before release or receiving agency

1180
01:47:13,730 --> 01:47:18,910
must agree in writing to receive maintain and secure the data consistent with the policies

1181
01:47:18,910 --> 01:47:24,310
of the disclosing agencies. In addition, the receiving agency must agree in writing to limit

1182
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:29,190
dissemination to the extent that it is permitted under the policies of the disclosing agency.

1183
01:47:29,190 --> 01:47:36,750
Just so it's the word must and further disseminate art together, if that makes sense.

1184
01:47:38,740 --> 01:47:42,120
And then F, you're okay with?

1185
01:47:47,670 --> 01:47:53,690
For similar reasons, instead of and disseminated there,

1186
01:47:55,590 --> 01:48:03,690
I would maybe have, instead of and disseminated, have and dissemination limited in accordance.

1187
01:48:03,690 --> 01:48:12,370
and dissemination limited, and then I think Mr. Martin said that the end is not criminal

1188
01:48:12,370 --> 01:48:20,530
intelligence information and is governed by subsection A when exudence circumstances

1189
01:48:20,530 --> 01:48:25,950
exist is that correct, Mr. Martin?

1190
01:48:25,950 --> 01:48:26,710
That's

1191
01:48:39,260 --> 01:48:39,860
correct, Sharon.

1192
01:48:44,260 --> 01:48:49,820
after do you get the recommendation for E that Mr. Rule had read out?

1193
01:48:50,060 --> 01:48:50,640
Thank you, Chair.

1194
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:55,040
I believe Deputy Corporation Council ruled the central for his revisions to us.

1195
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,180
So we do have it in writing.

1196
01:48:56,900 --> 01:48:57,360
Oh, great.

1197
01:48:57,780 --> 01:49:01,800
Um, could you read it on for one of the members to make a motion to amend?

1198
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:02,600
Okay.

1199
01:49:02,980 --> 01:49:06,800
Uh, if you could give me one moment to pull up his notes.

1200
01:49:13,230 --> 01:49:27,090
I'll be into a motion to amend 8.3, 8.03, or E to say.

1201
01:49:45,500 --> 01:49:53,740
Chair in the first, I will end the sentence to delete further disseminate.

1202
01:49:54,140 --> 01:49:58,840
And then to include as a second sentence, the receiving agency must agree in writing to limit

1203
01:49:58,840 --> 01:49:59,980
to dissemination to the extent.

1204
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,460
And that it is permitted under the policies of the disclosing agency.

1205
01:50:05,260 --> 01:50:15,000
Okay, so that's what we're amending, e2, and then if we're going to change dissemination,

1206
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:16,100
meeting and

1207
01:50:18,210 --> 01:50:37,650
dissemination limited in accordance with Title 20 code of federal regulations

1208
01:50:37,650 --> 01:50:46,410
part 23 and then the last sentence would be amended to say is not criminally intelligence

1209
01:50:46,410 --> 01:51:02,530
information and is governed by subsections A through G or A through E when the exident circumstances

1210
01:51:03,770 --> 01:51:15,010
exist. Members. I think the language is slightly different than what Mr. Martin had said.

1211
01:51:15,010 --> 01:51:17,030
Okay, Mr. Martin.

1212
01:51:17,290 --> 01:51:18,690
Yeah, I'm sorry chair.

1213
01:51:19,250 --> 01:51:23,270
My suggestion wasn't to regarding subsection

1214
01:51:23,530 --> 01:51:25,830
F, but rather subsection G.

1215
01:51:26,850 --> 01:51:28,170
Okay, okay, okay.

1216
01:51:28,810 --> 01:51:31,170
And that first sentence reads,

1217
01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:33,730
this section does not limit disclosure

1218
01:51:33,730 --> 01:51:36,910
when exigent circumstances exist.

1219
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:43,090
Thanks, I mean that much more confusing than it needed to me.

1220
01:51:43,090 --> 01:51:44,110
No, no.

1221
01:51:44,110 --> 01:52:00,650
So we're making a motion to amend E as stated by our staff, James Kruger, as stated by

1222
01:52:02,030 --> 01:52:06,170
per consul rule, dissemination, limited in accordance with,

1223
01:52:06,610 --> 01:52:13,590
and then G to say, this section does not limit disclosure

1224
01:52:15,730 --> 01:52:21,510
when exudent circumstances exist, a disclosure

1225
01:52:22,350 --> 01:52:25,990
for this purpose must be documented as soon as possible.

1226
01:52:26,590 --> 01:52:33,430
So that's the proposed amendment that I'll be entertaining

1227
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:39,950
if somebody wants to move by member Batonga and seconded by member U-Hajans. Any discussion?

1228
01:52:42,590 --> 01:52:45,210
Seeing none, all in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

1229
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:51,470
Okay, thank you. Sure, eight eyes, there are no one to excuse members, so give more emotion to them and passes.

1230
01:52:53,470 --> 01:53:04,470
Okay, the next amendment, 8.38.045O. I'll entertain a motion to amend by seeing every

1231
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:15,030
county contract for an ALPR system or for ALPR services must include special

1232
01:53:15,030 --> 01:53:21,110
considering special conditions consistent with the following

1233
01:53:21,110 --> 01:53:22,130
calling

1234
01:53:24,630 --> 01:53:26,970
right Mr. Rull.

1235
01:53:27,610 --> 01:53:29,410
That's correct, sir. Thank you.

1236
01:53:30,190 --> 01:53:32,690
Okay. Anyone want to make that motion?

1237
01:53:34,670 --> 01:53:42,670
made by members in U-Hodden, seconded by members in NNC. Any discussion? All those in fever,

1238
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:44,230
raise your hand and say aye.

1239
01:53:46,380 --> 01:53:49,080
Chair, once again, AIDI zero knows when excuse members to do more

1240
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,900
motion to amend passes. Thank you.

1241
01:53:54,260 --> 01:54:02,960
Okay, and the next amendment for 8.38.060 kind of an important one to

1242
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:17,960
the word not, the county must not execute or renew a contract for an ALPR system or ALPR services with a vendor who's

1243
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:37,070
may member U-Hagin, second in my members in NC, any discussion? All those in favor, raise your hand and say aye.

1244
01:54:38,030 --> 01:54:42,230
Chair 800 knows when excuse me for seeking more motion to amend passes.

1245
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:50,520
Okay. Next on page 68.38.07 or

1246
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,440
entertain a motion to amend to say unless

1247
01:54:59,440 --> 01:54:59,960
Thanks for watching!

1248
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:10,750
ceuxly stated, in this chapter, como. This chapter does not limit the performance of duets, blah, blah.

1249
01:55:12,410 --> 01:55:22,050
Sorry, can you repeat them? Sure, unless explicitly stated in this chapter, this chapter does not limit the performance is

1250
01:55:22,050 --> 01:55:22,610
Please move

1251
01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:32,720
by member U-Hodians, second of my member Johnson, any discussion?

1252
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,360
All those in fever, raise your hand and say aye.

1253
01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:40,580
Chair, eight eyes here.

1254
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:41,340
No, it's one excuse.

1255
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,240
Members who can more motion to amend passes.

1256
01:55:54,660 --> 01:55:56,040
You've explained that last one.

1257
01:55:57,180 --> 01:56:00,520
So unless explicitly, what is the language?

1258
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,820
Unless explicitly stated in this chapter,

1259
01:56:03,820 --> 01:56:18,900
This chapter does not limit the performance of duties imposed by state law compliance with a judicial warrant court order or subpoena, participation in mutual aid or the provision of information

1260
01:56:18,900 --> 01:56:22,200
and expressly required by federal or state law?

1261
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:27,260
Sorry, so we are now saying that this chapter

1262
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:33,180
would prohibit the county from complying

1263
01:56:33,180 --> 01:56:35,320
with a judicial warrant, any court order?

1264
01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:36,580
Is that am I reading that correct?

1265
01:56:37,140 --> 01:56:40,080
Unless it's explicitly stated in this chapter.

1266
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:43,380
Can we do that?

1267
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,220
Sure, do you like me?

1268
01:56:44,360 --> 01:56:45,560
That's what I'm saying.

1269
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:46,500
The PDU rule.

1270
01:56:47,620 --> 01:56:54,460
So, as far as a judicial warrant, there's nothing in this chapter saying that you can't comply.

1271
01:56:55,260 --> 01:56:59,820
So, the reason that I suggested that is really the participation in mutual aid,

1272
01:57:00,660 --> 01:57:06,360
and that's partially due to Section 8.38.040 regarding immigration enforcement.

1273
01:57:07,180 --> 01:57:12,920
So, because we're explicitly stating that a consistent with Act 141 an agent must see must not disclose.

1274
01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:23,100
We're saying that because it's explicitly stated in there, but participation in natural aid agreement would not be.

1275
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:24,280
Okay, so that part I understand.

1276
01:57:24,580 --> 01:57:30,620
But in general, we can pass a code that says the county will not comply with a judicial warrant or a court order.

1277
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:39,540
If the state already passed a law to allow for us to not comply, well, I'll leave it to the light.

1278
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,220
We're not doing that in this in this bill.

1279
01:57:42,220 --> 01:57:51,280
Okay, so I'm just misunderstanding what was the the purpose of this bill is really related to the participation in mutual aid section

1280
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:59,260
So it's it's applied it is applying to all of those, but nothing in this chapter is doing anything

1281
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:02,640
on a judicial warrant for example

1282
01:58:05,090 --> 01:58:10,530
Again, I'm just trusting the the corporation council on this. Thank you chair

1283
01:58:10,530 --> 01:58:15,710
I know it's difficult to trust corporation council sometimes but

1284
01:58:15,710 --> 01:58:21,510
So I guess if you guys did have something in here that tried to prevent complaints with a judicial ward

1285
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:26,630
I would have flagged that earlier and that would not be in this chapter

1286
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:34,720
I'm glad we don't have to do a reconsideration

1287
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:43,920
Okay, sorry folks let's return to 8.38.030 to taking some more language

1288
01:58:45,380 --> 01:58:46,420
I

1289
01:58:49,880 --> 01:59:00,220
would entertain a motion to strike number one and see queries and disclosures and authorized

1290
01:59:00,220 --> 01:59:10,740
ALPR user may query ALPR data only where a so striking number one and just the number

1291
01:59:10,740 --> 01:59:16,580
to say where a documented law enforcement nexus exists.

1292
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:23,560
And then it looks like we can strike that section

1293
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:31,180
because it's addressed in the following part B.

1294
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:37,180
Strike everything under about the key report into the number

1295
01:59:37,180 --> 01:59:45,960
because it's already included in C and D, B C and D.

1296
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:48,100
I call it my chair, I didn't follow them out.

1297
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:52,920
So this is under 8.38.03, all queries and disclosures.

1298
01:59:53,140 --> 01:59:54,500
We're striking number one.

1299
01:59:54,740 --> 01:59:58,520
Number two becomes the new number one, and we're going with your proposed language.

1300
01:59:58,900 --> 01:59:59,960
I think we don't need a-

1301
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,380
Any numbers, because it's just a statement, where undocumented law enforcement nexus exists.

1302
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:18,040
And then go on to be striking the whole the case report part of it and going straight on to be from there.

1303
02:00:19,890 --> 02:00:22,850
Okay, can you repeat the, how would it read?

1304
02:00:22,850 --> 02:00:33,550
It would just read 8.38.030 queries in these closures, A, and authorized ALPR user may query

1305
02:00:33,550 --> 02:00:40,410
ALPR data only where a documented law enforcement nexus exists.

1306
02:00:41,210 --> 02:00:44,570
And then it would go on to B. Okay, understood? Thank you, Chair.

1307
02:00:44,570 --> 02:00:52,750
And the part that we're striking is pretty much covered by like

1308
02:00:57,260 --> 02:01:05,090
some extent and we had considered making that part of admin rules, but police don't really have admin rules.

1309
02:01:05,310 --> 02:01:17,590
They have general orders and general orders are not public facing or a public process, so that's why it was determined to leave this in code because that's a public process.

1310
02:01:17,590 --> 02:01:22,910
And the public can see what the process is, I guess.

1311
02:01:24,150 --> 02:01:27,030
So, yes, Memorale Internet is.

1312
02:01:28,940 --> 02:01:29,340
Hello, Chair.

1313
02:01:30,780 --> 02:01:34,900
Okay, so we're on Bill 112, the facial recognition technology.

1314
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:35,720
Bill 112.

1315
02:01:36,020 --> 02:01:37,300
Oh, 13 still, okay.

1316
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:37,880
Yeah.

1317
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:42,180
8.38.030 at the bottom of page 3.

1318
02:01:45,660 --> 02:01:45,900
Okay,

1319
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:48,770
I don't have a question.

1320
02:01:49,670 --> 02:01:52,750
Um, is anyone, oh, remember, uh,

1321
02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:56,170
students makes that motion and

1322
02:01:56,170 --> 02:01:57,890
members in and she makes the second

1323
02:01:57,890 --> 02:01:58,970
any discussion.

1324
02:02:00,210 --> 02:02:02,170
All those in favor, raise your hands and say,

1325
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:03,590
I.

1326
02:02:04,330 --> 02:02:05,550
I chair, eight eyes, zero notes.

1327
02:02:05,650 --> 02:02:06,650
One excuse, members, second,

1328
02:02:06,690 --> 02:02:07,870
more motions for the passes.

1329
02:02:11,980 --> 02:02:17,510
Those are all that I had in my notes.

1330
02:02:17,770 --> 02:02:19,630
Are there any further amendments,

1331
02:02:19,970 --> 02:02:21,630
the body wishes to consider?

1332
02:02:21,630 --> 02:02:22,610
No,

1333
02:02:26,510 --> 02:02:32,370
but can I just confirm with the legal representatives here that we captured all of the requested amendments?

1334
02:02:34,410 --> 02:02:34,670
Thank you, Chair.

1335
02:02:37,690 --> 02:02:40,770
Okay, so that was my next question.

1336
02:02:40,910 --> 02:02:45,030
Any additional comments from police prosecuting attorney or court counsel?

1337
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:49,710
and you guys indicated no to member baton gun, okay?

1338
02:02:51,310 --> 02:02:54,710
At this time, members, any discussion

1339
02:02:54,710 --> 02:02:59,950
on the main motion as amended, Teryley, did you?

1340
02:03:01,030 --> 02:03:03,830
No, I don't think, okay, member dancing.

1341
02:03:06,660 --> 02:03:07,260
Thank you, Chair.

1342
02:03:09,180 --> 02:03:11,220
Well, first off, I support the majority

1343
02:03:11,220 --> 02:03:12,440
of our police efforts,

1344
02:03:12,660 --> 02:03:15,840
and I want to appreciate that once again,

1345
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:23,740
14% reduction in crime and in crime in Maui County is an excellent job. So I want to thank you guys for doing that kind of work

1346
02:03:23,740 --> 02:03:27,850
And I also support consumer importance attempts to work together to make this bill

1347
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:29,640
even better

1348
02:03:29,640 --> 02:03:33,230
But at the end of the day we all vote with our guts and

1349
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:42,740
I live on Lone and I know a thing or two about heavy handed uses of power and I'm gonna proponent of more of a light touch instead of a heavy hand

1350
02:03:44,160 --> 02:03:49,300
If the police officers, as well as everyone, all of our resources make a very good point

1351
02:03:49,300 --> 02:03:52,360
that we don't want it until we need it.

1352
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:59,720
But I know this department can be capable of keeping people safe as well as respecting privacy

1353
02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:00,240
rights.

1354
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:04,820
And there is a balance, and that I would hope we could all reach a team.

1355
02:04:05,620 --> 02:04:10,600
So I voted yes on all the amendments, but I think as the main motion is amendment, I would

1356
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:12,140
Thank you, Chair.

1357
02:04:14,380 --> 02:04:15,360
Sure thing.

1358
02:04:16,700 --> 02:04:19,240
Members, any other members with discussion?

1359
02:04:24,410 --> 02:04:26,670
Okay, I guess for my discussion,

1360
02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:36,900
it was stated, I believe that there are

1361
02:04:36,900 --> 02:04:40,380
the Maui Police Department has 32

1362
02:04:40,380 --> 02:04:44,720
ALPR cameras in use.

1363
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:56,020
And this is establishing how that data could be potentially shared.

1364
02:04:56,920 --> 02:04:59,980
And we can't just...

1365
02:05:00,050 --> 02:05:08,050
See how we want it to be because we're under the jurisdiction of the federal and state government.

1366
02:05:09,370 --> 02:05:25,510
And so the federal limits us with that 28 CFR, part 23, and thankfully the state has enacted Act 141.

1367
02:05:26,270 --> 02:05:42,110
Mr. Roe was there another state HRS about using humans to do traffic tickets that we needed to add into this, that you had said that there was state legislation passed.

1368
02:05:43,650 --> 02:05:50,310
The state legislation that was passed that I referenced yesterday was the regarded the facial recognition.

1369
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:53,610
Oh, okay, okay. Thank you.

1370
02:05:53,690 --> 02:05:55,170
All right, sorry, wrong bill.

1371
02:05:57,650 --> 02:06:01,410
So the state thankfully limits us

1372
02:06:01,410 --> 02:06:03,650
that we cannot share the information

1373
02:06:03,650 --> 02:06:05,710
for immigration purposes,

1374
02:06:07,290 --> 02:06:08,390
the code of federal regulations

1375
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:12,330
is that we have to share stuff in it.

1376
02:06:12,330 --> 02:06:15,610
That has been the parameters of how that works,

1377
02:06:15,810 --> 02:06:17,590
has been uploaded into Granticus.

1378
02:06:20,050 --> 02:06:25,470
So this bill, as people said, maybe a little bit

1379
02:06:25,470 --> 02:06:28,090
Lee, as ALPR,

1380
02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:34,920
data was used in 2025, and this is 2026.

1381
02:06:39,700 --> 02:06:41,800
I guess, better Lee than never.

1382
02:06:43,180 --> 02:06:45,860
All right, any further questions you have like,

1383
02:06:45,860 --> 02:06:47,400
call for a roll call at this time?

1384
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:48,400
Any further discussion?

1385
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:49,680
and I'm sorry.

1386
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:51,360
Seeing none go ahead.

1387
02:06:52,200 --> 02:06:54,520
Chair proceeding with the roll with the roll call vote.

1388
02:06:54,820 --> 02:06:55,740
Council member Suki Mora.

1389
02:06:56,580 --> 02:06:57,200
Exceed.

1390
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:58,840
Council member Sinanci.

1391
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:01,740
Aye.

1392
02:07:03,380 --> 02:07:04,620
Council member Rollins Fernandez.

1393
02:07:11,470 --> 02:07:12,310
Council chair Lee.

1394
02:07:13,310 --> 02:07:13,490
Aye.

1395
02:07:14,370 --> 02:07:15,070
Council member Johnson.

1396
02:07:19,090 --> 02:07:19,870
Council member Cook.

1397
02:07:21,590 --> 02:07:22,430
Council member Patongan.

1398
02:07:22,970 --> 02:07:23,310
Aye.

1399
02:07:23,310 --> 02:07:25,750
Committee Vice Chair, Oof Hodgins.

1400
02:07:26,670 --> 02:07:27,190
Aye.

1401
02:07:28,030 --> 02:07:29,270
Committee Chair Paulton.

1402
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:34,210
Chair, you have seven eyes, one, no, one excused.

1403
02:07:34,230 --> 02:07:34,930
Member Sikimura.

1404
02:07:35,430 --> 02:07:36,530
Main motion as amended passes.

1405
02:07:38,410 --> 02:07:38,610
Okay.

1406
02:07:39,090 --> 02:07:43,290
Members, I know member Batanga needs to leave in 15 minutes.

1407
02:07:44,670 --> 02:07:52,050
The department has stated that they do not have any facial recognition technology at this time.

1408
02:07:52,050 --> 02:08:01,770
So I leave it in your hands, do you want to continue on with this today, or would you like to defer?

1409
02:08:02,170 --> 02:08:04,110
You do want to continue on with this today.

1410
02:08:04,450 --> 02:08:05,450
Okay. All right.

1411
02:08:05,890 --> 02:08:14,030
So next up we have Bill 112, which is a bill for an ordinance establishing Chapter 8.37,

1412
02:08:14,030 --> 02:08:17,210
in Maui County Code on facial recognition technology.

1413
02:08:18,030 --> 02:08:21,730
So we're not behind the curve on this

1414
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:24,670
because the police department,

1415
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:29,810
and I think the county doesn't use this so we're setting up

1416
02:08:29,810 --> 02:08:32,490
the framework on how it could be used

1417
02:08:32,490 --> 02:08:34,410
if it ever becomes a technology.

1418
02:08:34,810 --> 02:08:35,390
Is that correct?

1419
02:08:35,870 --> 02:08:37,090
Lieutenant Bonocarci?

1420
02:08:43,860 --> 02:08:52,700
Um, Charlie, not at her head. Yes, let's continue on. Um, okay. So, I'll entertain a

1421
02:08:52,700 --> 02:09:01,440
motion to recommend passage of Bill 112, 2026 on first reading. So, I'll move by

1422
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:05,660
member Lee. Is there a second?

1423
02:09:10,660 --> 02:09:16,920
A member Batonga and there's a second. Okay. Um, so the

1424
02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:22,740
potential first amendment, I have based on deputy court counsel rules response.

1425
02:09:24,280 --> 02:09:37,020
We might want to consider an amendment to Section 8.3703OH, which is on page 4.

1426
02:09:41,890 --> 02:09:46,410
Each current ace says facial recognition technology must not be used for the enforcement

1427
02:09:46,410 --> 02:09:48,970
of civil traffic infractions.

1428
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:57,440
He suggested we may want to include that facial recognition

1429
02:09:57,440 --> 02:09:59,980
technology must not be used in...

1430
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:19,820
A photo red light imaging detector systems or automated speed enforcement systems in accordance with Act 21225, which is, I guess, what you just said that it was on Bill 113. Is there a desire to go ahead, Mr. Will?

1431
02:10:19,820 --> 02:10:28,620
Sorry, it apparently has been codified as chapter 291, it looks like J and L.

1432
02:10:29,380 --> 02:10:33,200
So we don't have to reference the bill, we can actually reference the sections.

1433
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:34,740
Okay.

1434
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:48,960
Is there a desire by the members to include that in letter 8 of 188.3703 or that limitations of use,

1435
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:51,240
include that facial recognition technology

1436
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:56,240
must not be used in photo red light imaging detector systems

1437
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:59,400
or automated speed enforcement systems in accordance

1438
02:10:59,400 --> 02:11:04,700
with chapter 291, J and L is there a desire

1439
02:11:04,700 --> 02:11:06,200
to make Adam and me.

1440
02:11:10,820 --> 02:11:14,600
Move by member U-Hajans, second and by Charlie

1441
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:22,560
to amend Section H to include limitations on photo red light

1442
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:27,600
imaging, detector systems, and automated speed enforcement systems.

1443
02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:29,440
Any discussion?

1444
02:11:30,460 --> 02:11:31,560
Member U. Hodges.

1445
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:33,260
Thank you, Chair.

1446
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:36,040
I know Chair Lee wants to work on this.

1447
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:38,460
I'm happy to kind of go through this.

1448
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,960
But I don't know if I'm ready to pass it now.

1449
02:11:42,300 --> 02:11:45,480
I know you have another bill that you're working on.

1450
02:11:45,500 --> 02:11:47,680
I know we're going to have to take a month

1451
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:50,480
hiatus from all of our other committee meetings.

1452
02:11:51,140 --> 02:11:55,960
I would appreciate a little bit of time to kind of

1453
02:11:55,960 --> 02:11:59,800
sauce out how I feel on some of the length this bill.

1454
02:11:59,820 --> 02:12:02,740
The other one I think was a little bit easier for me,

1455
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:05,280
but I just wanted to throw that out there.

1456
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,680
And I'm trying to take up any more time in your committee.

1457
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:09,060
I know you're super busy.

1458
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:11,580
So if you want to talk about this today,

1459
02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:13,180
cool, happy to do that.

1460
02:12:13,700 --> 02:12:18,100
But I don't, it's all a lot for me right now.

1461
02:12:18,120 --> 02:12:19,600
I'll be honest for this one, especially.

1462
02:12:19,600 --> 02:12:26,080
Thank you. Sure thing. I'll go to member on this for nandis and then you, Charlie, if that's all right.

1463
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:30,560
Or dunk in a pool? Okay. Member on this for nandis?

1464
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,480
No, she's giving me an octagon, just kidding, Charlie.

1465
02:12:41,500 --> 02:12:44,080
Similar to member Uhajans.

1466
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:51,600
I want vote to support passage of this bill.

1467
02:12:53,240 --> 02:13:22,420
Since we don't have facial recognition, since our county is not using facial recognition technology, I would support something like not using facial recognition technology and just like disallowing it, that's something I could get behind right now, just so that it's clear what our position is.

1468
02:13:22,420 --> 02:13:32,460
And, you know, I commend you for introducing this bill to try to get ahead of it, I think

1469
02:13:33,260 --> 02:13:40,700
like, you know, just like, with all the concerns, that was shared that we know is going

1470
02:13:40,700 --> 02:13:45,240
on, like, it would be better to just like super pump the brakes on it and just say, like,

1471
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:52,520
not know to us, that's right, that it hadn't been that we didn't have. Right.

1472
02:13:52,520 --> 02:14:00,240
Where I thought we did. Yes. Yes. Yes. So when I saw the same thing, you know, I, you know,

1473
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:07,340
I was on board. But now that learning that we don't, then I'm more like, let's not have it at all.

1474
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:15,100
And then we can have that discussion later if necessary. But that's kind of where I'm at.

1475
02:14:15,240 --> 02:14:16,940
Okay, I'm all here, Charlie.

1476
02:14:19,240 --> 02:14:20,780
I was only thinking of the schedule.

1477
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,080
We have a very tight schedule

1478
02:14:25,700 --> 02:14:28,980
down the homestretch till December 31st.

1479
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:31,340
This is like a non-issue at this point.

1480
02:14:32,300 --> 02:14:35,060
So I didn't think it would generate that much discussion,

1481
02:14:36,200 --> 02:14:40,120
but in all fairness, this should be taken up next year.

1482
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:46,020
Okay, I have no problem taking a breath.

1483
02:14:46,660 --> 02:14:50,100
It's been a long, eight years.

1484
02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:52,920
Anyway, go ahead, remember dancing.

1485
02:14:54,380 --> 02:14:54,860
Thank you, Chair.

1486
02:14:55,100 --> 02:14:56,920
You know, I support what's the conversations

1487
02:14:56,920 --> 02:14:59,240
but been heading, but I do want to thank you,

1488
02:14:59,780 --> 02:14:59,980
because we're working.

1489
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,300
On these bills takes a lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of research. So just because we might, I'm

1490
02:15:05,300 --> 02:15:11,520
what I'm feeling is maybe way or table, I do want to show you know, mutual respect to you for

1491
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:15,820
doing this kind of work. This is so complex and thank you for that. Thank you, Chair.

1492
02:15:16,420 --> 02:15:23,840
Sure. Yeah, I have no problem differing that second item and a draining the meeting before

1493
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:31,100
member Batanga and has to leave. I do have that third bill that was directly referred it

1494
02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:38,700
talks about the length of time data can be held onto and all the rest of the stuff and we

1495
02:15:38,700 --> 02:15:47,120
can work on it. I could work on Bill 112 to get the amendments that folks want in but it seems

1496
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:53,860
like the direction is more so like let's not have facial recognition technology as I am

1497
02:15:53,860 --> 02:15:58,460
prepping and going into the South American community plan I just wanted to put it out there

1498
02:15:58,460 --> 02:16:06,020
that I won't be the one to introduce that type of bill but feel free because you know sharing

1499
02:16:06,020 --> 02:16:13,840
the load and whatnot um even if I have to facilitate the meaning I don't mind whatever but somebody

1500
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:21,840
can write the bill on that and then we can take it up maybe at the scene time as the other bill and it'll give us time to refine that third bill

1501
02:16:24,180 --> 02:16:24,700
so

1502
02:16:26,200 --> 02:16:30,660
if there's no objections to

1503
02:16:33,860 --> 02:16:34,900
different bill

1504
02:16:35,580 --> 02:16:36,100
one

1505
02:16:37,300 --> 02:16:38,340
one 12

1506
02:16:40,520 --> 02:16:42,160
No projection, chair.

1507
02:16:42,480 --> 02:16:43,920
Go ahead, but I think.

1508
02:16:44,100 --> 02:16:44,460
Members on the floor.

1509
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:45,560
I do have a question.

1510
02:16:47,080 --> 02:16:53,560
So with our resource folks, since they heard the council members

1511
02:16:53,560 --> 02:17:00,840
position on this, do we need to pass a law to, you know,

1512
02:17:02,360 --> 02:17:06,200
like, put a more regional, more to prohibit the use of facial recognition,

1513
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:31,340
in technology or is the, you know, what the intention of the council members expressed like sufficient for the county not moving at that direction. I mean, I guess if it comes up in budget, you know, we could vote against it. But I'm just thinking through like how clear of the direction.

1514
02:17:31,340 --> 02:17:44,040
There was a very much sent out by that administration today regarding placing a pause on the real time crime sensor and installation of new surveillance equipment.

1515
02:17:45,440 --> 02:17:54,840
I don't know if that request would be honored because the administration isn't the entity that oversees.

1516
02:17:54,840 --> 02:18:14,080
I don't know if they can stop money from being released or how that all works, but that I've been informed that that occurred today, which is probably because of yesterday, maybe not, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, speculate.

1517
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:22,220
But yeah, I'll let the Lieutenant's, if they want to answer your question,

1518
02:18:31,570 --> 02:18:31,610
yeah,

1519
02:18:31,770 --> 02:18:41,670
facial recognition technology, would you based on the concept members' statements, would

1520
02:18:41,670 --> 02:18:46,490
you guys still pursue facial recognition technology for the police department?

1521
02:18:47,330 --> 02:18:52,670
I would say that I know facial recognition is a scary thing.

1522
02:18:52,910 --> 02:18:59,550
I think we all need to kind of maybe get in a room and discuss it, you know, on the side

1523
02:18:59,550 --> 02:19:02,430
and do like demos and see what it's capable of doing.

1524
02:19:02,870 --> 02:19:05,090
Because I think there's a lot of misinformation out there.

1525
02:19:05,470 --> 02:19:11,550
So I think if we are able to do that and just to discuss it and see what it's capable of doing

1526
02:19:11,550 --> 02:19:13,590
and see what other counties and other states are doing,

1527
02:19:13,590 --> 02:19:17,650
Then go that route before making a decision at this point.

1528
02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:19,930
That's my personal opinion.

1529
02:19:21,010 --> 02:19:24,710
And we'll be willing to work alongside those council members and whatnot.

1530
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:28,470
Again, kind of like how you folks tour the RTCC in New Orleans.

1531
02:19:29,210 --> 02:19:32,790
It gives you a first look and you have a better understanding of what

1532
02:19:33,350 --> 02:19:35,870
the technology dollars and the capabilities of it doing.

1533
02:19:36,590 --> 02:19:38,510
So in the same sense with this technology,

1534
02:19:38,510 --> 02:19:43,250
I mean, it would be good to sit down and see a demo and actually see first-hand.

1535
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:59,570
I mean, because, you know, we tend to, of course, to mention, there is a lot of, you know, things and items out there on the internet and, you know, different points of views of the goods, the bad, and also, you know, a mean, of course, you know, the mention of 1984 and the Terminator.

1536
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,080
But I mean, those types of things. I mean, it is just, it is the more information we have, it helps us to make a better decision.

1537
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:10,380
Member, I'll introduce.

1538
02:20:12,260 --> 02:20:19,280
Well, if I look for your responses on that, and I know there were books and movies that were reference,

1539
02:20:19,780 --> 02:20:27,500
but there's also like actual indictments that are happening, like in Kentucky and Chicago and across America.

1540
02:20:27,500 --> 02:20:47,620
So, there's actual abuse happening with like surveillance cameras and so there is like real concern legitimate concern for community members to have and so just to clarify was the answer to my question about

1541
02:20:49,900 --> 02:20:57,000
The Department not pursuing facial recognition technology based on the statements made today

1542
02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:02,480
sufficient or do we have to cast a law for that?

1543
02:21:09,020 --> 02:21:10,480
That might be above their pay agree.

1544
02:21:10,840 --> 02:21:11,460
Yeah, that is.

1545
02:21:11,540 --> 02:21:12,300
I was going to say that.

1546
02:21:12,320 --> 02:21:14,040
That's going to response to you on the letter.

1547
02:21:15,320 --> 02:21:16,700
The other respond by letter.

1548
02:21:17,000 --> 02:21:18,900
Did you get the question?

1549
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:20,320
Yes, sure.

1550
02:21:20,320 --> 02:21:27,180
But in response to the things we're seeing nationwide as far as the abuse of ALPR, facial recognition,

1551
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:34,000
the beauty of the way our system was set up by the Santa Pana Corsi and her predecessors.

1552
02:21:34,940 --> 02:21:40,680
We've locked down it's not just anybody can use the system, like they've used in other agencies,

1553
02:21:41,380 --> 02:21:42,180
where they've abused it.

1554
02:21:42,180 --> 02:21:43,560
We require a report number.

1555
02:21:43,700 --> 02:21:49,100
We require that nexus to a criminal complaint or what have you.

1556
02:21:49,100 --> 02:21:57,180
It's not just an open system that anybody can use and that's what people have been taking the advantage of across the country and that's what they're getting in trouble for.

1557
02:21:57,520 --> 02:22:03,680
So we have these systems in place that will prevent 95% of what was going on, what you've seen in the news.

1558
02:22:04,260 --> 02:22:06,720
Our system would not allow what's been going on there.

1559
02:22:07,260 --> 02:22:14,400
And then the 5% another case where it was just a single person that's doing the checks and checks and balances.

1560
02:22:14,400 --> 02:22:21,880
We have multiple people that do these audits, even as far as automated audits that flag things in real time.

1561
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:28,860
So it's not just waiting for this quarterly audit or whatever timeframe we've set up.

1562
02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:33,300
But we have these checks and balances in place to prevent what you're seeing nationwide.

1563
02:22:36,310 --> 02:22:45,870
I appreciate you sharing those policies with a council and you know I hear best practices being built in.

1564
02:22:45,870 --> 02:22:51,010
But the best practices, like do rely on humans who are such flawed creatures,

1565
02:22:53,450 --> 02:22:57,930
and, you know, with the MPD being in the news, you know, in the past few months.

1566
02:22:58,230 --> 02:23:04,950
I'm sure you can kind of understand where the, you know, community members are coming from right now.

1567
02:23:05,130 --> 02:23:07,410
Even with, like, everyone's best intentions,

1568
02:23:09,550 --> 02:23:13,010
you know, not everyone has, like, the highest level of integrity.

1569
02:23:13,010 --> 02:23:32,310
And addressing that, if that was not technology related, if it was, you would have been caught a hell of a lot sooner, and would not be, you know, it was not tech related, and that stuff, you know, tech catches and has these audits and whatnot. So, unfortunate, but yes.

1570
02:23:32,310 --> 02:23:33,070
Membrou.

1571
02:23:33,070 --> 02:23:36,090
Oh, sorry. Membrou, I didn't.

1572
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:39,670
Thank you, Chair.

1573
02:23:40,290 --> 02:23:42,450
I appreciate how Membrou is running this field.

1574
02:23:42,730 --> 02:23:44,530
I just wanted to make clear for me.

1575
02:23:44,750 --> 02:23:48,950
I just, I would like more time to kind of sit and learn

1576
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:54,530
about all of the new technology that we're going to have to discuss.

1577
02:23:55,150 --> 02:23:56,730
And I appreciate you differing

1578
02:23:56,730 --> 02:23:59,370
these bells so we can continue to discuss it.

1579
02:24:00,190 --> 02:24:03,310
Because like I said earlier, there are cameras everywhere.

1580
02:24:03,310 --> 02:24:07,790
where they belong to us or not, everybody has one in their back pocket. I have

1581
02:24:07,790 --> 02:24:10,810
cameras in my house. You kind of come to my house without me knowing that you

1582
02:24:10,810 --> 02:24:17,850
came to my house. So I guess would like a little bit more time to understand how

1583
02:24:17,850 --> 02:24:24,430
this really applies to all of us and I appreciate MPD willing to work with us. So I will

1584
02:24:24,430 --> 02:24:30,070
take them up to see what this does and I appreciate your hard work on this too and

1585
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:48,070
That's kind of all I have to say. Thank you. Yeah, I did want to mention that the facial recognition technology bill was a little bit more stringent before collaborating with mtd and one of the things that the chief shared with me is

1586
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:59,270
He went to a conference where people who are not MPD with open source facial recognition, things could determine.

1587
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:14,840
Questions that were far ahead of what they could do and like how it would be like if on their off-study, they used open search for facial recognition technology to gain the information that other folks would do.

1588
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:29,300
But I don't really understand what all that means. I agree that time and education is worthwhile for not just us, but the county is a whole, including our residents.

1589
02:25:29,300 --> 02:25:36,140
It's like what the chief head said is he doesn't want people that aren't police to overtake

1590
02:25:36,140 --> 02:25:39,940
what the police capabilities are, and I get that as well.

1591
02:25:40,340 --> 02:25:43,640
So kind of like what you're seeing is where is the balance?

1592
02:25:44,000 --> 02:25:45,640
How do we thread the needle?

1593
02:25:45,820 --> 02:25:52,560
We don't want criminals to have more information than our police have access to, but we also

1594
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:55,280
want to make sure that police are held accountable.

1595
02:25:55,280 --> 02:26:01,820
and there is legitimate maybe whether it's third party oversight or what. So I mean,

1596
02:26:05,320 --> 02:26:13,200
yeah, I think the most important thing to take away from this whole experience is that we should

1597
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:24,080
continue to keep the lines of dialogue flowing and ask questions when we don't know the answers

1598
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:50,400
and work with the public law enforcement and prosecuting attorneys, office managing director and corporation council to get the information that the public would like to know and what is legal, what is not legal I think some people genuinely believe that cameras on highways are an infringement of their privacy

1599
02:26:50,400 --> 02:27:01,200
I'm sorry, the tenant, one of course, he gave me a couple of Supreme Court law cases regarding

1600
02:27:01,200 --> 02:27:10,040
ALPR readers and our technology and reasonable expectation of privacy.

1601
02:27:11,340 --> 02:27:18,400
So what we believe and what the law states are not always one in the scene, which I mean,

1602
02:27:18,400 --> 02:27:22,280
That's why I'm not really that fond of lawyers, sorry guys.

1603
02:27:24,140 --> 02:27:26,860
But there's that.

1604
02:27:29,060 --> 02:27:33,740
So did we get no objections on differing bill 1,

1605
02:27:36,650 --> 02:27:37,250
12, no objections?

1606
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:39,350
And then

1607
02:27:52,180 --> 02:27:57,720
this concludes today's disaster recovery international fairs and planning committee

1608
02:27:57,720 --> 02:27:58,380
meeting.

1609
02:27:58,380 --> 02:28:12,060
Thank you very much everyone. We'll see you at 430 for our next listening session the time is now 1152 and this meeting is adjourned