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Oh, yeah.

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All right.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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We're going to go ahead and call the
August Building Committee meeting to

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August Building Committee meeting to
order.

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This is the last meeting for this
committee, for this commission, for this

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committee, for this commission, for this
term.

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So we've got a lot to cover here. Next
item is the roll call.

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Let the record show that all members are
present except for Commissioner Howard and

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Commissioner Nutt, and Mr. Burkhalter is
sitting in for Mr. Howard. And Ms.

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Hollingsworth is sitting in for Mr.

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Nutt, so thank you guys for your time to
do that.

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Next item is the approval of the agenda. I
need a motion to approval.

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I have it from Davis Burkhalter. I need a
second. I have it from Mr.

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Markham over here. Any discussion on the
agenda? Seeing none, we'll vote.

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All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed? And that passes. Thank you.

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Next item is the approval of the July 2026
minutes.

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Those minutes have been presented to you,

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and unless there's any changes or
alterations, they will stand as presented.

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All right, seeing no lights, those will
stand as presented. Thank you for that.

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Is there anybody signed up for public
comment?

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All right, since no one has signed up for
public comment,

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we won't read the statement unless
somebody signs up.

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That said, we will go to old business.

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Um, item number 6, number 1 is update on
county buildings.

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Matt Hill emailed us and has a situation
where he could not be here tonight.

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His report is submitted. If you have any
questions, please email Matt for that.

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Next item is number 2, updates on all
county projects.

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We've got Hewlett Spencer here to give us
an update on item A, the courthouse first,

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so whoever wants to come do that one. I
guess everybody will tag team and—

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Actually, Steve has left the room and we
don't know where he's at,

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so we'd like to have you probably give the
latest courthouse, Eric Previti.

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You probably know it more than anybody.
Actually, Abby wants to—

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go ahead, we'll let Abby.

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So basically we've— and Eric, you might
have to help me with this,

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but we've had to reapply the interior and
the exterior of the building.

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And we have reapplied as of today for the
interior, and the exterior will go before—

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there he is— courthouse. You could do this
much better than me.

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Sorry.

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September 16th.

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Abby could have done it shorter, probably.

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Oh, excuse me. All right, go ahead and
finish.

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Well, September 16th.

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She and I were just on the phone all day
today.

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Right.

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September 16th, everything will be into
the zoning for the city.

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And so that's where we're at right now
with that,

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is doing those reapplications to separate
them for the city, right, of Columbia.

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And, and when we say reapply, we're
talking about for the permits.

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And so that said, we've had discussions
and scenarios where the price tags on

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and scenarios where the price tags on
those

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permits were going to be rather extensive.

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And so that said, I'll be going to the
city council meetings here to ask the city

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city council meetings here to ask the city
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forgive those, like similar to what we did
with the judicial center.

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Hopefully that we can have good
cooperation with the city and that they'll

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cooperation with the city and that they'll
forgive

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those permits for that.

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I don't recall, it was a pretty extensive
dollar mark on that.

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Of course, the problem with that is that
it moves everything up a month.

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It delays things. So Hill and Spencer has
been real good.

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Yeah.

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to work on items that don't require those
permits to keep the ball rolling and keep

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everything going. So there's a lot going
on.

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I do know that the brick paver sales have
been going well.

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And so if you haven't bought one yet, buy
a brick,

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have your family name or somebody you wish
to recognize on the,

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on the east side steps.

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And unless Steve has got something more to
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I think that's all we got for the
courthouse.

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Out of respect for this commission, thank
you.

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All right, next item on the agenda is the
animal shelter. Who gets that one?

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Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Markham, you're up,
sir. Go ahead.

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Just a quick question. Do you know roughly
how many bricks have sold?

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No, sir, I don't. We'd have to give it to
the visitor center on that.

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All right, is that it?

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Okay. All right.

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Next item is the animal shelter.

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Animal shelter, short and sweet.

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Uh, thanks again for everybody who
attended the, uh, the groundbreaking

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attended the, uh, the groundbreaking
ceremony.

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And thanks to Kim for all her patience.

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Uh, we're currently still going through a
review process.

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The revision 1 drawings are through the—
with the city right now.

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Talked to the architect on it this
morning, waiting for a callback.

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And if he doesn't get one by the end of
the day today,

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he was going to call him in the morning.

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So we're still in a revision lookover,
waiting for the permits.

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All right. And next item then is the—
let's see here.

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We will— since you're standing there,
we'll skip.

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We'll go ahead and go to the Mount
Pleasant Library.

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We got the Columbia Library in between,
but that's going to be Megan.

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So since y'all are up, we'll go ahead and
skip and do Mount Pleasant.

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The Mount Pleasant Library, if y'all
remember the original MOU,

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the entire piece of the Howard Field
property was given to the county.

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Now Mount Pleasant, due to a grant issue
and something,

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they're going to keep the dog park through
Mount Pleasant and the softball fields.

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So they're going to take care of that part
of the property.

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The county will get the remainder of the
property.

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So that paperwork is being redone right
now, going through the city.

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I believe it'll be in your admin committee
tomorrow.

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I believe it comes back to the full
commission on August 17th.

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There are a couple of meetings there in
the City of Mount Pleasant that the

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paperwork is also going through. And once
that is complete, we're ready to roll.

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Tomorrow morning at 10 AM is our big
pre-con meeting with everyone— Mount

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pre-con meeting with everyone— Mount
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the engineers, Bell Construction, Hewlett
Spencer. And so we're, we're moving. Yes.

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All right. Any questions on the Mount
Pleasant Library?

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Commissioner Markham, you're up, sir.

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Thank you.

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So does that mean we'll see a cost
savings?

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From the city taking care of the ball
field?

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Yes, the county will not be taking care of
that.

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They're going to be taking care of that.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right, uh,
Commissioner Gardahl, your light was on.

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I had a question about, uh, the bricks.
Can someone send a link again?

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Yes, ma'am, absolutely.

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Yeah, sale of bricks.

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Okay, we'll do that.

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Yes, thank you.

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James, no more questions. Mr.

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Chairman, to piggyback off what Steve
said, On behalf of Hewlett Spencer,

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we do want to thank this sitting
commission.

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I had calculated these following projects
that you guys approved and trusted us to

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manage: Unali Visitor Center, the Archives
Building, the Judicial Center,

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Culeoaka Park, the Miracle Field, Mount
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the Murray County Animal Shelter, and of
course the Murray County Courthouse.

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I, I think I got all those and covered
them.

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And so we want to thank you for putting
your trust in us.

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and our family firm to manage those for
you.

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We've really appreciated this sitting
commission, and for those that won't be

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commission, and for those that won't be
back,

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we're going to miss you. Appreciate all
that you've given us and trusted us with.

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Appreciate that. And I want to thank you
personally.

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I can't speak for everybody,

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but I definitely value our friendships
that have been built over the past decade

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that have been built over the past decade
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more than that. And I hope the
relationship will continue on for many

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relationship will continue on for many
more years for

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all of the building projects that happen.

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So Okay, thank you for your service for
that. Any other comments on those?

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All right, next item is going to be the
Murray County Library,

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and we'll bring up Megan for that one.
Good, good evening.

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Hello.

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Um, I was here last month, and some of
those items that I was waiting on,

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we're still waiting on, but this week we
started moving.

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So this week, um, they were able to get
their overhead inspection done for the

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framing so that way they can continue Uh,
their drywall,

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which is in the kitchen and the
circulation desk.

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So they're prepping that now for paint and
to finish up that texture on the,

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on the drywall. They finally approved,

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approved the workaround for our HVAC line
that was a little larger than our ceiling

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tiles would allow. So they've now put that
up and, and installed that.

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So now we can go for our overhead
electrical inspection.

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Once we pass that, all the ceiling grids
will be put back in and the ceiling tiles

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will be placed. And then all the rolling
and dice will happen from all the stuff on

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the floor. So from there,

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they have started putting the frames in
for the interior study rooms,

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and the glass for those just came in
today.

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The exterior windows on the,

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on the backside of the building was
installed a couple of weeks ago,

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and that looks phenomenal for the space.

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Mm-hmm.

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We're still waiting on the glass on the
front of the building for the exterior

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window. Uh, but the study rooms will get—

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continue to be installed this week into
next week.

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Once that is finished,

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then we will be able to start moving the
stuff around for the carpet to get

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installed. That is going to be the last
piece that they would like to do.

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They have some areas that still need to be
painted.

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Uh, fixtures in the bathrooms and the
kitchen areas are starting to get put in,

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and then we'll go for our plumbing
inspection. Things are happening.

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We're just not quite there yet, but we're
getting there.

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It's It's starting to come together and
look like a new space.

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Great.

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I'm very glad to hear that. We do have a
couple of lights.

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Commissioner Huffman, you're up, ma'am.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Hang on, hang on. You turned yourself off.

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Okay. Thank you, Chair. My question is a
little bit different.

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You know, my husband is a city councilman.

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He got a call— he's had 2 or 3 calls from
this gentleman that lives in the house

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behind the library. He is having water
issues.

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His property is getting flooded every time
it rains.

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We went up there and looked to see if we
could tell what was causing it,

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and the only thing that we could see was
possibly the storage trailer that's back

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there.

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Okay.

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That the water is going around it and
cutting through his yard.

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And you can see all kinds of drainage
areas through there.

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And he's, you know, we're trying to find
out, you know, since it's county property,

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it's been worked on.

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We figured it was probably a county issue
more than it was a city.

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Well, so, I mean, I have heard about the
issue with He said it was from our

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roofline, but our roofline hasn't changed.

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I've talked to Robert in Building and
Zoning about it and to see what my avenue

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Zoning about it and to see what my avenue
was

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to go on correcting it.

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Like, parking lot will get redone, curved
and striped at the end,

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but there was nothing done to the actual
roofline to change anything.

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We are also getting runoff from the law
office next door.

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Mm-hmm.

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So we're trying to solve where and how to
best Fix that with the proper departments.

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Okay. He, you know, he told him that he
would check on it,

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see if there was anything that they could
do.

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And then when we went and looked, that's
the only thing we could come up with,

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was that it, it's running down,

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hitting the big storage trailer back there
and going around down through his yard.

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Okay.

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So appreciate, you know, if somebody could
check in on that.

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Yes.

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Thank you. Thank you, Chair.

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Yes, ma'am. Commissioner Saunders, you're
up.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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You may want to contact somebody at the
City of Columbia that does the stormwater

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stuff, somebody in their engineering
department, and see if they can come out

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department, and see if they can come out
and—

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or public works— and see if they can come
out and check out what's actually—

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if they can do anything about the runoff,
you know, from those, those areas.

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So they could better,

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better suit you than everybody just trying
to guess where it's coming from.

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They can, you know, they're the experts.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Well, I know I've spent the last 3 weeks
out of town,

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and every time I turned around and looked
at the weather, it was raining up here.

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So I guess there's just been an
overabundance of water flowing.

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Uh, Commissioner Grody, your light's on,
ma'am.

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You're up.

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I couldn't resist this, uh,

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opportunity to talk to both the library
and the sheriff at the same time.

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I went to an event at Mule House and saw
at least 10 people That looked like they

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were in for the night on these benches.

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And so we need to have— I know we have
security.

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I know we're paying $85,000 a year for
security while the library's open,

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but we need to figure out something to get
these people off of the benches.

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We're spending over $2 million on the
building.

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So if we could get on some kind of
rotation with the—

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Security.

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patrol on that, either the city or the
county or both or whatever.

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I called Megan and told her about it, and
I just—

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we just need some kind of help to get— if
we have to take our benches off even.

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I hate to— I hate to have that as the fix,
but after hours we have a problem.

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Well, let's bring that up at safety
tomorrow, and then, you know, I mean,

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talk to the sheriff about that then.

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Um, I mean, we've already taken those
benches up once them sleeping out there.

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I don't know the answer to that, but
that's—

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there is a discussion that needs to be had
about homelessness, and it is coming,

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and hope it is coming.

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I'm just trying to help.

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Anything else on the library project?
Seeing none, thank you, Megan.

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Appreciate y'all being here.

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All right, next item on the agenda is the
final— it says DD—

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it's the Sheriff's Department evidence
building.

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So Sheriff Rowland, you have the floor,
sir. You and your entourage.

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Yes, good afternoon everyone, and to the
building committee,

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thank you for your service on this
committee and of course with the full

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committee and of course with the full
commission

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as well. But these 4 years, 4-year terms,
they fly by.

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But anyway, as Captain Stample gets hooked
up, this is— I hate that it—

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that we ended up in your last month, I
guess,

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but it's better late than never because
You know,

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we wanted to make sure that things were
done correctly.

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So we'll back up to— all right, we'll back
up to November.

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You know, we had a discussion then which
Captain Stample,

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he's put together a PowerPoint, so I'd
probably be better off to let him.

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I was going to— I thought it'd take him
longer, but go ahead, Captain.

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Well, I'm going to keep this short as well
for you guys, but Just 5 slides,

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kind of recap from where we were in
November when we come to see you and bring

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November when we come to see you and bring
this

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project up from where we had moved it down
the road for a few years.

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So back in November, we come with a $2.1
rough estimate for the building.

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From that, we've learned that, you know,

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we had to have competitive bids put out by
the architecture— by the architect.

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So architect put together a full working
set of drawings.

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Those drawings went out to bids. We
received 9 bids back from that process.

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Site work hasn't changed any other than
we've got some new vegetation that we've

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we've got some new vegetation that we've
got

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to clear off. This is a set of the bids
that came back from the RFP that went out.

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Okay.

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Uh, the winning bid from that was Thrash
Construction.

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We've actually got Gabe Thrash with Thrash
Construction Services here tonight.

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Uh, there's an Alternate 1 and 2 on there.

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So City of Columbia building codes—

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Lawson White Drive out there is on city
property.

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Alternate 1 is for generators to be hooked
up to the building.

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So that it runs during a power outage.

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Alternate number 2 is also to include
solar panels so that you have another

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solar panels so that you have another
source

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of power other than electricity coming
into the building through electric lines.

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That brings us to total of what we'd
request additional to what we have would

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request additional to what we have would
be,

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you know, $1.2 million.

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Making the total project cost $2.7 million
for drawings, everything,

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and then that would include what we
consider our FF&E,

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our high-density storage cabinets and
things like that for records and evidence.

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All right.

301
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So that's all you

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got then?

303
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Yes, sir.

304
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All right.

305
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So first of all, to move this—

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What would you like?

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Well, I need a motion from this committee
to keep talking about it and move it to

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budget. So I have a motion from
Commissioner Markham.

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I have a second from Commissioner Morrow.

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So that said, there was money appropriated
for this already.

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What was that amount again?

312
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It's going back to 2020, just before COVID
or 2019.

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We approved $1.5 million for a one-level
evidence and records building.

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Uh, COVID comes along, prices, uh,
materials, everything. It was so

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materials, everything. It was so
questionable.

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We decided to, uh, to hold off because,
uh, you know,

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we wanted to make sure that we got the
biggest bang for our buck and everything

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biggest bang for our buck and everything
and

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let the market kind of settle down.

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So during that time, there is a little
silver lining there is we started looking,

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uh, at a different site, which we're now
building, not just for the future,

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but for our current needs as well, for the
ones that have been out to Yes.

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Our training building,

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you all know how tight that is and how
much of a need of space that we need for

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much of a need of space that we need for
our

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training. So that's what the lower level
is for, is for training currently.

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And hopefully it, and prayerfully it stays
that way,

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but potentially it could be used, you
know,

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for records or evidence as the county
continues to grow and you get farther down

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continues to grow and you get farther down
the

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road as well. But so that's kind of the
silver lining.

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And so that's where the, the other
increase as well— we,

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we went from 5,000 square feet to 10,000
square feet, uh, for less than,

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than half of the increase.

335
00:18:05,256 --> 00:18:09,897
Well, that was what I wanted to clarify,
is that the 2020 commission, we,

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we approved the 1.5, so all you need is
the 1.2. I've got a quick question for

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the 1.2. I've got a quick question for
Doug.

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Doug, has that 1.5 been drawing interest
this whole time?

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And can we apply that interest to shrink
the $1.2 billion?

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I mean, not all funds are invested,

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but you could say that in a roundabout way
it's earned interest,

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but this would be best suited to be funded
out of the 189 fund. The money's there.

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We passed a surplus budget in that fund.

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We'd expend all of the adequate facilities
tax funds first because they're tied to

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that old law. And then we'd go with the
$189 million the rest of the way.

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And that's a discussion for the Budget
Committee. All right.

347
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Commissioner Saunders, your light's on,
sir.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Doug, just a
quick recap on that.

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That $1.5 million that's already budgeted
was from adequate facilities.

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So it technically was not earning interest
because it was sitting in the adequate

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facilities fund. Just waiting to be
expended, correct?

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The interest from all funds that is
earned,

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it just goes to the 151 fund.

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So that cash that sat there, some of it
earned interest.

355
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Okay.

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00:19:25,344 --> 00:19:25,585
Yeah.

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So the 189 fund, we, we carried over a 1
point— what was the,

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what was the debt, the surplus we carried
over that,

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like $1.3 million?

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$1.175 million.

361
00:19:38,077 --> 00:19:39,959
Okay. $1.175 million.

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And then so There's already—

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there's a surplus in there right now as
well.

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$1,100,000. Are you talking about for this
year?

365
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:50,230
Existing surplus. Yeah.

366
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Yes. But those are for projects.

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A fund balance. I'm sorry. A fund balance.

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Yeah.

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There's fund balance in there.

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Okay.

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So that we could take the additional—

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The surplus from this prior year,

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it's going to get carried over into a
budget amendment.

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You'll see a budget committee where we
move those to next year.

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00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:08,754
But there— is there $1.2 million worth in
that 189 fund to

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offset the The $2.7 million to offset the
$1.2 million

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additional?

378
00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:17,980
Yes, not $2.7 million, but $1.2 million.

379
00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:22,160
There's $1.2 million additional dollars in
the 189 to offset that.

380
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Yeah, I'm fine with that.

381
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All right.

382
00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:23,860
Okay.

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Thank you.

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Is that all you have, sir?

385
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,440
Yeah. I make a motion to move this to
budget.

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We already, we already got it.

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To move it to budget?

388
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,071
Yeah. Commissioner Morrow made it and
Commissioner— I'm sorry, Commissioner

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Commissioner— I'm sorry, Commissioner
Martin.

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I thought it was just a motion. I didn't
hear the motion to move it to budget.

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hear the motion to move it to budget.
Yeah.

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Move it to budget.

393
00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:36,360
Yeah.

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Let's see, Mr. Markham, you're up.

395
00:20:39,518 --> 00:20:44,562
I'm sorry, Burkhardt first, the first
front row, yeah, Burkhardt, okay.

396
00:20:44,562 --> 00:20:50,578
Hey, Doug, I've got a question for you. Do
we have a budget yet from the state?

397
00:20:50,578 --> 00:20:56,251
No, but I haven't been asked any
questions, and they have 30 days, so

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questions, and they have 30 days, so
August 6th,

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this Friday, is that right? Thursday, this
Thursday, voting day, Right on time.

400
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Budget gets passed on voting day.

401
00:21:06,365 --> 00:21:11,424
Okay. But if we don't have a budget by
Monday, can this go to budget?

402
00:21:11,424 --> 00:21:13,843
Can we— what, how does that work?

403
00:21:13,843 --> 00:21:15,968
Um, I'll, I'll knock on this,

404
00:21:15,968 --> 00:21:18,387
but I plan on us having a budget.

405
00:21:18,387 --> 00:21:22,637
If they say, hey, we need more time to
review this budget.

406
00:21:23,135 --> 00:21:23,375
Yeah.

407
00:21:23,616 --> 00:21:25,670
I'm going to move forward as if I've got
one.

408
00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:29,987
Okay. So you, you, you're— I'm not worried
about it. Moving forward.

409
00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:30,686
Yeah.

410
00:21:30,767 --> 00:21:30,945
Okay.

411
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:32,542
Got business to do.

412
00:21:32,897 --> 00:21:33,139
Okay.

413
00:21:33,204 --> 00:21:33,575
Commissioner.

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00:21:33,575 --> 00:21:38,675
Sheriff, on your training area, is that
going to be on the ground floor?

415
00:21:38,675 --> 00:21:40,250
Yes, sir. On the lower level.

416
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:45,929
Lower level. Okay. Yeah. What will you do
with your training area that you have now?

417
00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:49,055
It's still— it'll be utilized just like it
is.

418
00:21:49,055 --> 00:21:52,078
Still, you'll still be using it as a
training area.

419
00:21:52,078 --> 00:21:54,389
You just have additional training area.

420
00:21:54,389 --> 00:21:59,055
Yes, sir. As you can see, you've been out
in the training building,

421
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but you see that space. We have to clear
out the tables and everything.

422
00:22:04,001 --> 00:22:07,692
And of course, you try to keep that spot,
that space,

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you want it more for a classroom setting.

424
00:22:10,547 --> 00:22:14,587
Where we want, where we would love to have
this new space,

425
00:22:14,587 --> 00:22:20,298
it's going to be more for the hands-on and
lots of different training that you can

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do there. A lot of, a lot of other uses as
well for meeting spaces, uh,

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00:22:25,243 --> 00:22:27,402
not just for us but for others.

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00:22:27,402 --> 00:22:32,835
Of course, we, we would love to be able to
host some trainings for surrounding

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counties, but we just don't have that
space,

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which could potentially bring in a little
bit of revenue as well once we get that

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space.

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00:22:41,959 --> 00:22:47,233
And your upper— your ground floor, that
will be evidence, is that right?

433
00:22:47,442 --> 00:22:52,731
That's evidence, uh, records that have
been kept that we have to keep, you know,

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from now on, uh, and then our logistics as
well.

435
00:22:55,905 --> 00:23:00,864
So all of our, uh, equipment and
everything, law enforcement equipment, um,

436
00:23:00,864 --> 00:23:06,285
corrections equipment, anything like that,
will— it's 3 different phases upstairs,

437
00:23:06,285 --> 00:23:08,996
uh, that will meet the needs of, of that.

438
00:23:08,996 --> 00:23:14,388
And the, the area that you have that is
over at the Jail site, right?

439
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:16,314
And that evidence currently—

440
00:23:16,314 --> 00:23:16,538
You're right.

441
00:23:16,971 --> 00:23:20,693
Yes, sir. It's where the old
investigations used to be.

442
00:23:20,693 --> 00:23:21,945
Yeah, I've been in there.

443
00:23:22,169 --> 00:23:22,490
Yes, sir.

444
00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:26,966
And what will you use that for? Yeah, I've
been in there. It's pretty—

445
00:23:26,966 --> 00:23:31,122
So if you've been in dispatch, you've seen
how it's— I mean,

446
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we've already taken out walls in the past
12 years,

447
00:23:34,655 --> 00:23:39,711
over the past 12 years to extend that, and
they're on top of one another.

448
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So in the future, that would be turned
into a dispatch center where evidence is

449
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currently at.

450
00:23:46,084 --> 00:23:46,485
Okay.

451
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Where records is at, which is just outside
of my office,

452
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between there and reception where the
clerks are at, that will in the future,

453
00:23:55,676 --> 00:23:57,403
that will be turned into—

454
00:23:57,403 --> 00:24:02,932
it'll be bulletproof glass and the clerks
be accessible to the public as soon as

455
00:24:02,932 --> 00:24:08,460
they come in instead of We don't really
have a hard structure between our clerks

456
00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:14,057
and, you know, anybody that walks in that
may be wanting to see a magistrate or a

457
00:24:14,057 --> 00:24:14,541
deputy.

458
00:24:14,541 --> 00:24:17,507
Okay. Oh, what, what is your time frame on
this?

459
00:24:17,507 --> 00:24:21,152
18 months, you said, from the time the
construction starts?

460
00:24:21,152 --> 00:24:24,721
Oh no, sir. Uh, which, uh, Gabe,

461
00:24:24,721 --> 00:24:27,621
he may be able to come up.

462
00:24:27,621 --> 00:24:32,528
We have 270 days from the notice to
proceed.

463
00:24:33,202 --> 00:24:34,223
270 days?

464
00:24:34,223 --> 00:24:34,904
Yes, sir.

465
00:24:34,904 --> 00:24:35,326
Oh, wow.

466
00:24:35,860 --> 00:24:36,055
Okay.

467
00:24:36,995 --> 00:24:40,740
Um, okay, Sheriff, was that you in the
orange suit a while ago?

468
00:24:40,740 --> 00:24:44,874
It may have been. I didn't see the
picture.

469
00:24:45,213 --> 00:24:45,585
I'm sorry.

470
00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:46,668
You look good in that.

471
00:24:49,030 --> 00:24:49,886
All right, is that all you have?

472
00:24:49,886 --> 00:24:52,391
I have one other picture here, Mr.
Burkhardt.

473
00:24:52,391 --> 00:24:54,782
The chair recognizes the Honorable Mayor
Butt.

474
00:24:54,782 --> 00:24:57,613
I don't have my light on.

475
00:24:58,272 --> 00:25:00,490
Uh, yeah, while we're waiting,

476
00:25:00,490 --> 00:25:05,444
Gabe's got the floor plan of what the new
building would look like.

477
00:25:05,444 --> 00:25:08,980
Well, in that case, so starting with the
upper level, guys, um,

478
00:25:08,980 --> 00:25:10,439
this is a floor plan here,

479
00:25:10,439 --> 00:25:13,863
and then let me know when y'all want to
view the lower level.

480
00:25:13,863 --> 00:25:16,800
All right, in that case, the chair
recognizes the gentleman.

481
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,688
Uh, Commissioner Morrow, you're up, sir.
Back to committee.

482
00:25:19,688 --> 00:25:25,530
Well, I'm, I'm going to save my comment
for when we

483
00:25:25,530 --> 00:25:31,257
get to the, the parks improvement, the—
our parks.

484
00:25:31,257 --> 00:25:32,257
Not on the sheriff then?

485
00:25:32,257 --> 00:25:35,515
No, it's, it's just on our spending in
general.

486
00:25:35,515 --> 00:25:39,552
All right. So you don't— okay. In that
case, Commissioner, who is this?

487
00:25:39,552 --> 00:25:41,030
Yeah, Commissioner Girdie.

488
00:25:41,030 --> 00:25:46,606
I just want to know a little bit about why
we can't scan evidence,

489
00:25:46,606 --> 00:25:51,843
or I know we can't scan evidence, but The
records, can we see—

490
00:25:51,843 --> 00:25:56,405
are we scanning records, or what's the
deal with that?

491
00:25:56,405 --> 00:25:58,016
That's one of the, uh,

492
00:25:58,016 --> 00:26:03,141
probably one of the biggest
accomplishments that Captain Stamphill has

493
00:26:03,141 --> 00:26:03,946
accomplishments that Captain Stamphill has
implemented

494
00:26:03,946 --> 00:26:06,875
as far as scanning documents that, that,

495
00:26:06,875 --> 00:26:13,025
that can be scanned and done away with and
kept to keep a digital footprint of that.

496
00:26:13,025 --> 00:26:18,296
However, we have a— currently we have a
jail With every broom closet and

497
00:26:18,296 --> 00:26:19,029
jail With every broom closet and
everything

498
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:24,007
else that has records shoved in it for, I
mean, decades and decades.

499
00:26:24,007 --> 00:26:27,668
I mean, literally office space to where,
you know,

500
00:26:27,668 --> 00:26:33,159
the clerks are having to walk through
paths where we're all walking through

501
00:26:33,159 --> 00:26:33,525
paths where we're all walking through
paths

502
00:26:33,525 --> 00:26:37,113
that still need somewhere for those to be
stored.

503
00:26:37,113 --> 00:26:42,091
There's always going to be hard copies
that are going to have to be—

504
00:26:42,091 --> 00:26:47,582
stored as far as the records go. And
Captain, he may want to speak on that.

505
00:26:47,582 --> 00:26:52,341
As far as evidence, it's going to— with
every case that comes in,

506
00:26:52,341 --> 00:26:53,879
you collect evidence.

507
00:26:53,879 --> 00:26:54,696
Mm-hmm.

508
00:26:54,696 --> 00:27:00,172
And it's a different time frame of how
long we have to keep that on the severity

509
00:27:00,172 --> 00:27:00,308
long we have to keep that on the severity
of

510
00:27:00,308 --> 00:27:04,483
the crime. That's just like I'm sure you
saw on social media.

511
00:27:04,483 --> 00:27:07,290
It's been pretty quiet up until Saturday,

512
00:27:07,290 --> 00:27:12,081
and it was something that was put out on
social media, but Uh, anyway,

513
00:27:12,081 --> 00:27:16,666
it's our triple homicide, uh, that we've,
we've worked 5 years ago,

514
00:27:16,666 --> 00:27:18,446
or 5 years ago in October.

515
00:27:18,446 --> 00:27:24,058
Um, that, that's all in this, uh, uh, in
this plan for the upstairs with evidence,

516
00:27:24,058 --> 00:27:29,397
is to have a space to dry evidence, to, to
make sure that it's done correctly,

517
00:27:29,397 --> 00:27:31,177
to preserve that evidence.

518
00:27:31,177 --> 00:27:35,831
Uh, we've just, uh, uh, we've kind of
winged it for a long time, uh,

519
00:27:35,831 --> 00:27:39,732
and sometimes it's bit us, sometimes it
hasn't, but This—

520
00:27:39,732 --> 00:27:42,470
there's no bells and whistles with this.

521
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:46,029
This is just basic storage for evidence
and records,

522
00:27:46,029 --> 00:27:48,219
and that's all we're asking for.

523
00:27:48,219 --> 00:27:53,147
It's just something basic, but a lot
better than what we currently have.

524
00:27:53,147 --> 00:27:58,229
I have a question about the building
itself, if you could answer that.

525
00:27:58,229 --> 00:28:03,675
I don't know your name. Gabe, do we have
extra protection, fire protection?

526
00:28:03,675 --> 00:28:06,506
Are we doing beefed-up fire protection,

527
00:28:06,506 --> 00:28:09,628
or what's going to keep it from burning
up?

528
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:13,126
Okay.

529
00:28:13,126 --> 00:28:15,267
Yes, the structure is fireproof.

530
00:28:15,267 --> 00:28:21,807
Both up and down is fireproof? Upstairs
and downstairs?

531
00:28:22,307 --> 00:28:22,468
Okay.

532
00:28:22,726 --> 00:28:23,033
Thank you.

533
00:28:23,033 --> 00:28:25,242
Is that all you have, ma'am?

534
00:28:25,242 --> 00:28:25,725
Thank you.

535
00:28:25,725 --> 00:28:28,333
All right. Chair recognizes the gentleman
from the 4th District. Mr.

536
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:29,139
Kozlowski, you're up.

537
00:28:29,139 --> 00:28:31,711
Thank you, Chairman. Just a real quick
question for you.

538
00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:35,339
Sheriff, uh, there was an option up there
of doing the generators and the solar

539
00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:39,058
panels or whatever. Is that included in
the number here that you were planning on

540
00:28:39,058 --> 00:28:39,885
doing all of that?

541
00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:40,386
Right.

542
00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:41,934
Excellent. That's all. Thank you.

543
00:28:41,934 --> 00:28:45,339
That's all you have? All right, chair
recognizes Commissioner Strain.

544
00:28:45,339 --> 00:28:46,079
You're up, sir.

545
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:48,637
Thank you, chair. The evidence—

546
00:28:48,637 --> 00:28:53,092
is there a need for that to be temperature
controlled,

547
00:28:53,092 --> 00:28:57,052
which would explain why you ask for a
generator?

548
00:28:58,649 --> 00:28:58,794
Yes, sir.

549
00:28:58,794 --> 00:29:04,271
So the generator isn't for the convenience
of keeping the refrigerator running.

550
00:29:04,271 --> 00:29:07,114
The generator is to protect the evidence.

551
00:29:07,114 --> 00:29:10,788
So that seems like a necessity rather than
a request,

552
00:29:10,788 --> 00:29:15,919
as the solar panels obviously would be a
request, I think. But am I right?

553
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,122
You're correct.

554
00:29:17,267 --> 00:29:18,716
Both of them are alternates.

555
00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:22,494
We can do both of them, or if we want to
do the generator no matter what,

556
00:29:22,494 --> 00:29:25,806
that makes Yeah, I would think you would
just put that in there.

557
00:29:26,272 --> 00:29:27,251
I don't—

558
00:29:27,395 --> 00:29:32,568
if it's required to have temperature
control, it shouldn't be an option.

559
00:29:32,568 --> 00:29:34,508
That should be a necessity.

560
00:29:34,508 --> 00:29:38,958
The solar, the option 2, that solar, that,
that's where, you know,

561
00:29:38,958 --> 00:29:44,420
past discussions that we've talked about
of whether this needs to be under Murray

562
00:29:44,420 --> 00:29:48,938
County codes and zoning or the city with
it falling Within the, uh,

563
00:29:48,938 --> 00:29:53,186
the city's purview, you know, that's what
they're currently in.

564
00:29:53,186 --> 00:29:56,692
It actually calls for it to be— to have a
generator.

565
00:29:56,692 --> 00:30:01,951
Well, potentially a generator, but they
call for, uh, that their international

566
00:30:01,951 --> 00:30:02,288
call for, uh, that their international
code,

567
00:30:02,288 --> 00:30:05,525
it calls for solar power to be on that
building.

568
00:30:05,525 --> 00:30:08,964
Um, you know, it's a good chance we'll ask
them to,

569
00:30:08,964 --> 00:30:13,279
to kind of waive the solar and let's just
have a generator, but—

570
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,845
I—

571
00:30:17,310 --> 00:30:18,977
it seems like you're duplicating.

572
00:30:18,977 --> 00:30:20,324
What's that?

573
00:30:20,324 --> 00:30:22,247
The generator and the solar.

574
00:30:22,247 --> 00:30:25,277
No, we're creating redundancy backups.

575
00:30:25,277 --> 00:30:30,113
Yeah, well, like we have an animal shelter
and they don't— they have neither.

576
00:30:30,113 --> 00:30:33,882
So, but they don't have— they have animals
and not evidence.

577
00:30:33,882 --> 00:30:35,201
So anyway, thank you.

578
00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:38,131
Is that all you have? Okay, we have no
other lights.

579
00:30:38,131 --> 00:30:42,752
That said, we have a motion on the floor
to pass this to the Budget Committee from

580
00:30:42,752 --> 00:30:47,428
Commissioner Markham. It was seconded by
Commissioner Morrow. All in favor say aye.

581
00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:49,739
Aye. Any opposed? All right, that passes.

582
00:30:49,739 --> 00:30:52,331
Gentlemen, thank y'all for being here
tonight.

583
00:30:52,331 --> 00:30:56,219
Next item on the agenda is the, um, let's
see here, that's— you guys,

584
00:30:56,219 --> 00:30:59,374
that's an old printout here. I got to
bring this one up.

585
00:30:59,374 --> 00:31:00,726
Phase 1 of the Park Service.

586
00:31:00,726 --> 00:31:02,786
Yep, Phase 1 of the Park Service.

587
00:31:02,786 --> 00:31:04,159
So this is Item B, um,

588
00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:08,215
and so basically we've already had a
discussion on this You know,

589
00:31:08,215 --> 00:31:12,584
in the last committee meeting, so I don't
see the need to rehash that.

590
00:31:12,584 --> 00:31:17,702
I need a motion to move this to the Budget
Committee. I have Commissioner Sumners.

591
00:31:17,702 --> 00:31:20,323
I have a second from Commissioner Markham.

592
00:31:20,323 --> 00:31:25,191
Is there any discussion on moving this to
budget? Is there any public comment?

593
00:31:25,191 --> 00:31:28,499
Anybody? Okay, I do have 2 lights from the
committee.

594
00:31:28,499 --> 00:31:30,496
Commissioner Sumners, you're up.

595
00:31:30,496 --> 00:31:36,081
Hey, Doug, can you come up for a second?

596
00:31:36,081 --> 00:31:40,968
So, Markham, $7.6 million, correct?

597
00:31:40,968 --> 00:31:43,621
Is that what I saw?

598
00:31:43,911 --> 00:31:44,186
Yeah.

599
00:31:47,186 --> 00:31:49,931
Uh, our 151 fund is our debt service fund.

600
00:31:49,931 --> 00:31:53,002
What's the fund balance in that fund right
now?

601
00:31:53,002 --> 00:31:56,778
Uh, as of the end of May, it was around
$56 million.

602
00:31:56,778 --> 00:31:59,666
What is the unrestricted fund balance?

603
00:31:59,666 --> 00:32:05,751
Um, so basically we got, we got to follow
our debt policy, which is, is 50%,

604
00:32:05,751 --> 00:32:11,676
and so really, if we take a look at that
50%, $17.5 million is restricted,

605
00:32:11,676 --> 00:32:16,720
so the rest, which is about $39 million,
would be unrestricted,

606
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,484
but it has to always be used for debt
unless you do a resolution and get

607
00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:23,125
unless you do a resolution and get
approval

608
00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:27,128
from the state, which there's precedence
for that.

609
00:32:27,128 --> 00:32:27,578
Okay.

610
00:32:27,578 --> 00:32:31,577
In which you cannot— it can't be tied to
property taxes.

611
00:32:31,577 --> 00:32:34,790
It's got to be tied to your interest
revenue.

612
00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:40,217
And thankfully for us, our interest
revenue this past year was $6.5 million.

613
00:32:40,217 --> 00:32:43,502
The year before that, it was over $11
million.

614
00:32:43,502 --> 00:32:47,001
The year before that, it was around $4.5
million.

615
00:32:47,001 --> 00:32:52,857
So we have proof that interest revenue can
provide for a cash funding of something

616
00:32:52,857 --> 00:32:53,571
like this.

617
00:32:53,571 --> 00:32:57,483
$7.6 million. And we're talking cash.
We're not talking borrowing.

618
00:32:57,531 --> 00:32:59,119
We're not talking about putting any—

619
00:32:59,634 --> 00:33:01,891
Burden on any taxpayers or anything like
that.

620
00:33:01,891 --> 00:33:05,093
Now, for the legal fees and filing with
the state and everything,

621
00:33:05,093 --> 00:33:06,226
we'll pay about $6,000.

622
00:33:06,226 --> 00:33:07,788
Okay.

623
00:33:07,788 --> 00:33:11,224
So I drew a

624
00:33:11,224 --> 00:33:14,972
blank there.

625
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:16,088
Sorry.

626
00:33:16,088 --> 00:33:18,239
It was the big number of $6,000, wasn't
it?

627
00:33:18,239 --> 00:33:20,670
I think so. It just shocked me.

628
00:33:20,670 --> 00:33:26,239
So the— okay, so the— so our Yearly
payments for the, for the 151 Fund.

629
00:33:26,239 --> 00:33:30,553
What is the yearly payments that come out
of that fund?

630
00:33:30,553 --> 00:33:35,651
What's— what, what, what do we expend, I
guess, out of that fund?

631
00:33:35,651 --> 00:33:39,468
So there's a lot that passes through the
fund, and so the,

632
00:33:39,468 --> 00:33:44,997
the budget that we're actually liable and
what we're actually liable are 2 different

633
00:33:44,997 --> 00:33:49,604
numbers, okay, um, because we have shared
borrowings with the airport,

634
00:33:49,604 --> 00:33:53,092
with Murray County Water, and, uh, Also
one with, uh,

635
00:33:53,092 --> 00:33:56,646
we've actually finished the ones with
Murray Regional,

636
00:33:56,646 --> 00:33:58,621
and so they're solely on them.

637
00:33:58,621 --> 00:34:02,570
And then we get funding from the schools
for some of theirs.

638
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:07,770
So grand scheme of things, um, if all of
those parties couldn't pay their debt,

639
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:10,468
probably be somewhere around $42 million.

640
00:34:10,468 --> 00:34:13,693
Um, but really we're at about $35 million
a year.

641
00:34:13,693 --> 00:34:16,439
What's the budgeted number that we expend
out of that fund?

642
00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:23,206
It's $35 million, I believe, but I'll just
give you the exact one.

643
00:34:23,206 --> 00:34:25,542
It's actually $32.5 million.

644
00:34:25,542 --> 00:34:27,280
That's what we budget out of that fund.

645
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,225
$32,459,098.

646
00:34:30,225 --> 00:34:34,806
And we've got $50— $56 million in the fund
balance. Okay.

647
00:34:34,806 --> 00:34:40,529
And this is due to interest revenue from
idle capital funds, and they weren't idle.

648
00:34:40,529 --> 00:34:42,047
We were spending them.

649
00:34:42,047 --> 00:34:47,701
It's just hard to spend so much that fast
when you have interruptions or zoning or

650
00:34:47,701 --> 00:34:51,976
whatever. And plus, we borrowed a lot from
2014 through today.

651
00:34:51,976 --> 00:34:56,183
You know, when you're holding $400 million
in debt, you know,

652
00:34:56,183 --> 00:34:58,527
you don't spend it all right away.

653
00:34:58,527 --> 00:35:02,113
You get a windfall of some of this
interest revenue.

654
00:35:02,113 --> 00:35:04,665
Interest rates have been higher than—

655
00:35:04,665 --> 00:35:09,629
I don't want to say normal because it's
become a little bit more normal.

656
00:35:09,629 --> 00:35:11,836
But in the last couple of years,

657
00:35:11,836 --> 00:35:17,353
we've been able to earn a much higher
interest percentage than when the previous

658
00:35:17,353 --> 00:35:21,835
trustee was here. We, we had CDs that we
spent a lot of money on,

659
00:35:21,835 --> 00:35:23,697
and we'd get 1.7% or 0.69%.

660
00:35:23,697 --> 00:35:28,524
Now we're doing T-bills, LGIP, different
things to get around 4 to 5%.

661
00:35:28,524 --> 00:35:33,075
We're in the 3% range right now just
because of how the market is.

662
00:35:33,075 --> 00:35:33,589
Okay.

663
00:35:33,686 --> 00:35:34,007
All right.

664
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,039
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Doug.

665
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,272
Very good. Commissioner Morrow, you're up,
sir.

666
00:35:37,272 --> 00:35:39,126
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

667
00:35:39,126 --> 00:35:43,759
My comments do more with our overall
spending and stuff than

668
00:35:43,759 --> 00:35:46,308
on the specific issue of it, but—

669
00:35:46,308 --> 00:35:48,551
You want to wait until after that then?

670
00:35:48,551 --> 00:35:53,086
No, I'll go ahead here because we're
working on the park improvements.

671
00:35:53,086 --> 00:35:58,075
The evidence building was, to my mind,
we'd already appropriated money toward

672
00:35:58,075 --> 00:35:58,399
we'd already appropriated money toward
that.

673
00:35:58,399 --> 00:36:01,314
That's a project that needed to be
completed.

674
00:36:01,314 --> 00:36:04,424
And we do need evidence storage because
there's—

675
00:36:04,424 --> 00:36:09,478
it's amazing how many cold cases get
solved by old evidence that's been stored

676
00:36:09,478 --> 00:36:14,142
because the technology for analyzing stuff
is so much better these days.

677
00:36:14,142 --> 00:36:19,325
The park, yeah, I was either in the 3rd or
4th grade when that original park was

678
00:36:19,325 --> 00:36:21,658
built, that baseball park was built.

679
00:36:21,658 --> 00:36:26,193
And I'll be 70 a little later this year
and we're both about worn out.

680
00:36:26,193 --> 00:36:28,849
So yeah, I think that money is justified.

681
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:32,348
But, and I don't know what's going to
happen Thursday,

682
00:36:32,348 --> 00:36:35,523
I may or may not wind up on the commission
again,

683
00:36:35,523 --> 00:36:38,114
but if I wind up back on the commission,

684
00:36:38,114 --> 00:36:41,224
I think we need to rein in some of our
building.

685
00:36:41,224 --> 00:36:46,018
That list of projects that Jamie read off
a while ago was very impressive.

686
00:36:46,018 --> 00:36:49,841
We've done a lot of building, we have
spent a lot of money,

687
00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:53,534
and I would say just about all of it was
due to be spent.

688
00:36:53,534 --> 00:36:58,976
But my understanding on the budget is the
budget we submitted was about a $6 million

689
00:36:58,976 --> 00:37:02,474
deficit. We need to get back toward a
balanced budget.

690
00:37:02,474 --> 00:37:06,945
So I think we need to kind of rein in our
spending in this next term.

691
00:37:06,945 --> 00:37:11,998
So if I'm on— if I am on the commission
for another term, I intend to push for

692
00:37:11,998 --> 00:37:12,322
for another term, I intend to push for
that.

693
00:37:12,322 --> 00:37:15,238
Not to say we're not going to build
anything,

694
00:37:15,238 --> 00:37:20,615
but I think we need to double and triple
check everything that we think we need and

695
00:37:20,615 --> 00:37:24,632
make sure we really need it before we
spend the money because—

696
00:37:24,632 --> 00:37:29,556
We do not want to get into tax increase
territory. We just don't. Thank you.

697
00:37:29,556 --> 00:37:33,199
All right. Thanks, sir, for that.
Commissioner Burkhalter, you're up, sir.

698
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,025
Okay. Thank you.

699
00:37:34,316 --> 00:37:38,411
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Can I ask Mr. Ray
to come back up?

700
00:37:38,411 --> 00:37:38,878
Yeah.

701
00:37:38,959 --> 00:37:39,426
You don't—

702
00:37:39,426 --> 00:37:39,522
yeah.

703
00:37:39,619 --> 00:37:43,103
Okay. Mr. Ray, this, this Phase 1 project,

704
00:37:43,103 --> 00:37:49,158
it looks like we've got the money to fund
it without borrowing any money.

705
00:37:49,158 --> 00:37:54,052
But the Phase 2 is going to probably be a
different animal.

706
00:37:54,052 --> 00:37:59,195
Is there any chances of getting grants to
help on the Phase 2?

707
00:37:59,195 --> 00:38:02,111
A chance? Yes, yes, there is.

708
00:38:02,111 --> 00:38:06,132
Yeah, there'll be opportunities to bring

709
00:38:06,132 --> 00:38:07,942
something, I hope.

710
00:38:07,942 --> 00:38:11,533
Okay. I definitely won't be back on the
commission.

711
00:38:11,533 --> 00:38:16,085
Well, we'll do— we'll beat the bushes.
That's what we do.

712
00:38:16,085 --> 00:38:19,918
And it'll take a while to program that
building.

713
00:38:19,918 --> 00:38:23,751
You know, that's— That's, uh, on the
little out,

714
00:38:23,751 --> 00:38:29,900
but hopefully a good grant cycle will roll
around and, and we can bring that.

715
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:34,097
Okay, well, like, like Commissioner Morrow
said, you know, I,

716
00:38:34,097 --> 00:38:39,463
I definitely want me back. I know that,
but I sure don't want my taxes raised.

717
00:38:39,463 --> 00:38:43,316
But I think these 2 projects, these 2
projects here, uh,

718
00:38:43,316 --> 00:38:46,274
the sheriff's evidence room and
everything,

719
00:38:46,274 --> 00:38:49,508
part of it's already been set aside and
funded.

720
00:38:49,508 --> 00:38:53,636
This part, part 1, is definitely, uh, I
think, a good start.

721
00:38:53,636 --> 00:38:56,319
But, you know, I think part 2, phase 2,

722
00:38:56,319 --> 00:39:01,823
is going to be quite considerably higher
than what we're looking at on this one.

723
00:39:01,823 --> 00:39:07,258
So I, I would encourage y'all to beat
every bush you can to see if you can find

724
00:39:07,258 --> 00:39:07,533
every bush you can to see if you can find
some

725
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:10,079
grant money for that. Thank you, sir.

726
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,121
Absolutely. Thank you.

727
00:39:11,281 --> 00:39:12,035
Is that all you have?

728
00:39:12,035 --> 00:39:12,259
Yes.

729
00:39:12,259 --> 00:39:13,871
All right, I see no other lights.

730
00:39:13,871 --> 00:39:17,681
So, that said, we have a motion on the
floor from Commissioner Sumners to pass

731
00:39:17,681 --> 00:39:17,876
floor from Commissioner Sumners to pass
this

732
00:39:17,876 --> 00:39:21,295
budget. It was seconded by Commissioner
Markham. All in favor say aye.

733
00:39:21,295 --> 00:39:22,022
Aye.

734
00:39:22,022 --> 00:39:25,632
All opposed? All right, that passes. Thank
you for that.

735
00:39:25,632 --> 00:39:29,500
So, that said, that takes us to the next
item on our agenda,

736
00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:34,658
which is public comment. Would anybody
like to come up and speak public comment?

737
00:39:34,658 --> 00:39:37,753
All right, seeing none, we'll move on from
that.

738
00:39:37,753 --> 00:39:40,718
Next item on the agenda are the
announcements.

739
00:39:40,718 --> 00:39:44,200
All committee members' terms will expire
in September.

740
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,970
And so that said, I've got something I
want to say here before we adjourn.

741
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:50,904
Mark, would you do me a favor?

742
00:39:50,904 --> 00:39:54,515
In that chair next to you, to your right,
there's a bag.

743
00:39:54,515 --> 00:39:56,900
Would you bring that up here, please?

744
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:02,187
Guys, we need to— this is the last meeting
of this term for this committee and the

745
00:40:02,187 --> 00:40:03,476
committee before it.

746
00:40:03,476 --> 00:40:07,215
I find it unfortunate that that chairman
left, but anyhow,

747
00:40:07,215 --> 00:40:12,115
Cindy has been taking care of us for many
years, and so I'm giving her this.

748
00:40:12,115 --> 00:40:15,016
I want to present her with this to thank
her,

749
00:40:15,016 --> 00:40:19,722
and I want everybody to thank Cindy
because this is the last meeting that

750
00:40:19,722 --> 00:40:20,045
because this is the last meeting that
she's

751
00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:22,172
going to be working with us here.

752
00:40:22,172 --> 00:40:26,492
We have Lisa tomorrow night, and then the
budget people that night,

753
00:40:26,492 --> 00:40:31,456
and then Lisa that. So I want to thank
Cindy for what you've done to keep us—

754
00:40:31,456 --> 00:40:35,453
committee chair— all committee chairs that
you've worked with.

755
00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:39,966
It's been an honor and a pleasure to work
with you and everything, so—

756
00:40:39,966 --> 00:40:40,211
Thank you.

757
00:40:41,258 --> 00:40:44,589
So, so, so anyway, hang that on your wall.

758
00:40:44,589 --> 00:40:50,299
And so anyway, I just, you know, if
anybody wants to say something about

759
00:40:50,299 --> 00:40:50,774
anybody wants to say something about
Cindy,

760
00:40:50,774 --> 00:40:56,960
now's the time. Otherwise, we're going to
adjourn. Keep it nice. Keep it nice.

761
00:40:57,282 --> 00:40:57,411
All right.

762
00:40:57,910 --> 00:41:01,300
That said, nobody's hitting the lights.
I'll take a motion to adjourn.

763
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:05,319
And thank you all for allowing me to serve
as your chairman these, all these years.

764
00:41:05,319 --> 00:41:06,336
And we are adjourned.