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Good evening. I'd like to call to order
this evening's meeting, please.

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Before we begin our meeting, I do have
just a few brief housekeeping items,

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just a few brief housekeeping items,
please.

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We do have public comment.

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There was a sign-in sheet at the back of
the room that's put out every meeting at

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5:15, so those of you that have signed up
to speak on a particular item,

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We have the list, and I will be calling on
each of you as I get to those agenda

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items. There is also an additional public
comment period at the end of the meeting

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for those of you who have— who would like
to comment on a non-agenda item.

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So, just wanted to cover that before we
begin our meeting.

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I want to point out the 2 exits because—

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Oh, okay. Also, we have 2 exits from the
room this evening,

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here and then the double doors in the
back, just so— we have a full house

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back, just so— we have a full house
tonight,

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so just wanted to point that out as well.

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So, with that said, we will move on to
this evening's agenda.

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The first item on our agenda this evening
is the approval of our agenda.

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So moved.

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I have a motion. Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Okay, thank you. All in favor?

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Aye.

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Those opposed? Okay, motion carries.

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Item 3 on our agenda is the approval of
the July 27th meeting minutes.

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2026 meetings— meeting minutes.

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Do I have a motion for— or are there any
additions? Okay. Do I have a second?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Those opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Thank
you.

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Under old business, item 4 on our agenda
this evening is the recommendation for a

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Planned Development District map
amendment, Snow Creek Ranch.

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I do want to add that this application was
deferred by the Planning Commission at

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our July meeting. Is the applicant
present, please? Good evening.

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If you would just state your name and then
just tell us a little bit about— again,

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I know you were here last month,

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but if you could just tell us about what
you're proposing for the property, please.

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Good evening. Nathan McVey with T-Score
Engineering.

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Good to see y'all again this week. Um, so
yeah, last meeting we were deferred.

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This is, um, Snow Creek Ranch, which is,
uh, off Snow Creek Road.

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Uh, it's a ministry retreat that's
seasonal, um,

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kind of centered on equestrian outdoors,
allowing people to kind of come in, drive,

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park, and then stay for a set amount of
days, um,

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there to kind of open up the word and, um,

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kind of retreat from everyday life that we
always experience.

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Last month there were 2 outstanding
comments that we had.

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One was kind of the emergency access plan.

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Since then, we've met with a couple
individuals.

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In your packet, you'll see there's a
letter of who we've met with,

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what's been kind of corresponded to,

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and then there's also an emergency action
plan packet that's in there.

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So both of those things have been provided
to you.

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The meeting that we had in August with the
Murray County Fire Department, Mr.

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Robinson. He met us out on site.

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We kind of walked the site, talked about
kind of the programming of everything.

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He's been provided all the files, all the
plans that we have up to this point,

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and he didn't really have any major
comments.

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Murray County or Murray Regional Health is
going to be meeting with us out there in

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September. So probably some comments from
them,

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but we'll make sure we address them all
accordingly.

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The second comment from last month was On
the dwelling units.

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And we talked with staff on that one as
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and we agree that they're probably not
accessory dwellings,

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being with what they are as far as, you
know, 4 bedrooms and a shared kitchenette.

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However, we don't think it changes the PUD
plan at this point in time.

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That's more of a code item.

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And Robert and I discussed that when these
come through for building permits,

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that the building permits will be
addressed at that point with construction

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addressed at that point with construction
types,

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fire protection, etc. With that, I can
answer any other questions you may have.

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Thank you. Questions,

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comments from the commission, please?

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Go ahead, please. You have the floor.

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Do any of the proposed facilities include
stormwater

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or storm shelters for guests? Not at this
time. None?

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What's the—

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what's the plan if there is severe weather
or tornadoes?

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Was that discussed, Rebecca? We're
building some basements.

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Some of them will have basements. Do you
know which structures will have basements?

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Um, the Lake House and Lodge.

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Lake House and Lodge will have basements
now.

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Okay.

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That's it. I don't— I mean—

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Okay. Thank you. Go ahead, please.

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Jonathan Dow.

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Hi.

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Um, so yeah, I have a question about the
concern about the accessory dwelling unit.

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I know it's been addressed by staff,

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but I'm still I'm confused as to why it
keeps getting defined as an accessory

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dwelling unit, seeing as how it
definitely,

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obviously does not meet that definition of
an accessory dwelling unit.

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Could you give me some understanding on
that? They're not.

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We're going to go ahead and— right,
Robert,

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we talked about making them primary
dwelling units.

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Well, on your application and in your
submittal,

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it still defines it as an accessory
dwelling unit. Correct.

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The resubmittal happened,

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and we've had discussions with staff since
the resubmittal.

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So we connected last week with Robert and
staff and defined that a little further,

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dug into the code and refined what that
was.

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So are you good with changing that
definition or classification on your

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definition or classification on your
submittal?

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Correct. Moving forward,

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I don't know if we can change the
submittal prior to County Commission,

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but we can make that known at County
Commission as well that we agree with

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Commission as well that we agree with
that.

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Okay.

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I'll entertain that, John.

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And likewise, A condition of approval that
those are representative of

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an R occupancy would be in order as well.

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All right.

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If the Planning Commission so deems it.
Thank you.

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And the second concern is the— it's still
the water supply,

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the fire flow requirement and the water
demand.

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It's less than 500 gallons per minute out
there,

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and using pond water for a fire protection
life safety system is not a reliable

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source. You have biological contaminants
that could affect the system.

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So I think a better engineered solution
would be required for this.

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And that could be an elevated tank or some
type of more reliable source.

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But using pond water for fire protection
for lodging facilities,

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I don't see as A very reliable source.

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So I don't know how we need to address
that, but that's a big concern.

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And it could affect your going forward
with the development. Sure.

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Can we make that condition of approval?

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And I know you all will see this once
again at site plan stage.

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When we come back at site plan,

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we can have a more defined engineering
solution for what that looks like if we do

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solution for what that looks like if we do
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above ground with the tank or have reports
on the pond.

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We'll provide that solution for you then.
Okay. Okay. All right. I'm good.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thank you. Debbie. Thank you.
Hi. Thanks for coming back.

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In one of your— one of the documents,

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it says that guests will not come and go
throughout the course of their stay and

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that they're transported by vans to the
property. Yet you've got 141 parking

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property. Yet you've got 141 parking
spaces.

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Are those only going to be utilized when
there are special events?

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So that's only for special events?

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Okay, thank you.

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I, I don't, I don't believe we have anyone
signed up.

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Is anyone here signed up to speak on this
item on the agenda, please?

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Okay, no, we don't.

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I think, if I might—

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Yes, you have the floor, Mr. Delk.

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I think this site depicts the ongoing
discussion There's a lot of debate within

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discussion There's a lot of debate within
this

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county of what we do with our land.

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There is some who feel like we ought to
try to put a lot of houses on a small

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try to put a lot of houses on a small
amount

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of land so we leave more open land.

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There's others that feel like we ought to
have large lots and houses on them.

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And now— and we also have a preservation
plan which requires 15 acres.

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And this doesn't fit any of those modes,

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but it does demonstrate a useful property
that is a fairly low impact compared to

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what it could do if it were developed as a
subdivision.

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Yeah.

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It— the questions that have been raised
are good questions.

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The— you are doing a fire system, I
believe,

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that includes sprinklers off your ponds,
which reduces somewhat your demand.

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Your spacing of your buildings is such
that you're not apt to have a complete

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conflagration of a whole site.

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If I were a neighbor, I think I would
rather have that than a lot of houses.

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The one point that I—

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additional points have been made that I
have a problem with is on the weekends or

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whenever it is that people come in.

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If we get travel trailers and that type
stuff coming in, if they don't turn—

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can't turn in immediately, we could block
the whole road, Snow Peak Road.

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And I just feel very strongly we ought to
add a turning lane that would hold 2 or 3

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travel trailers where they can get out of
the way and let people through while we're

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trying to get them on site.

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So with that, with the conditions that
have been set forth here and the

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have been set forth here and the
conditions

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that have been addressed here this
evening, I'm going to move approval with

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evening, I'm going to move approval with
those—

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with staff comments and the approvals and
the comments that have been made today and

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recommend approval to the— a
recommendation for approval to the County

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recommendation for approval to the County
Commission.

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And I'll second the motion.

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Okay. We have a first and a second— or a
motion and a second.

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Any other comments or questions from the
commission?

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I, I had a couple of questions, um, that,
that we,

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we actually went over these at our last
meeting.

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Um, one of them was about your special
events. We talked about that.

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I believe you all are, are stating you
want to hold, I think,

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one fundraiser a year with approximately I
don't remember if it was 50 to 100

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guests, but that would be like an annual
fundraising event.

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That's the first part of my question.

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But you all are not planning on doing
renting out the venue as a special event

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venue. That's— is that correct?

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No weddings, things of that sort. Okay.

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But, but you are— you will do— is it one
or two?

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I believe— just wanted to—

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it was a couple of fundraising events to
raise money for your, for your foundation.

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One more question, please.

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Will people be bringing horse trailers to
and from the property, or will you all—

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because you think you're offering horse
horseback riding,

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will the horses remain or will you have
people coming and going with their horses?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but they'll
remain on the property.

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Is going to be able to bring their horses
on site.

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Ma'am, can you, can you get up for the
record? Can you get up and state your

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record? Can you get up and state your
name?

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Hi,

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Rebecca Wind.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, nobody right now.

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The way we have our rules written is that
we're only using Snow Creek

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Ranch-owned horses for any of our
horseback riding. Okay.

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Okay.

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Thank you. That's all the questions I
have.

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Any other questions from the commission?
Comments? We're ready to vote.

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I have a motion and a second. All in favor
say aye. Those opposed?

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Motion carries. Thank you.

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Okay, the next item on our agenda under
new business is item 5,

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the final site plan for Zion Christian
Academy.

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It's a classroom addition. Is the
applicant present, please?

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Good evening. If you could just tell us
your name and your district and

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a little bit about what you're proposing,
please.

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Good evening. My name is Sam Bohannon. I'm
with Ingram Civil Engineering.

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I'd like to thank the commissioners for
your time together here tonight and thank

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staff for helping us through the process
as we go through it.

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A little bit about the project.

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This is an addition to the Zion Christian
Academy, the existing school.

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And in general, what we've got is on the
east side,

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the right-hand side of the plans, we've
got a classroom addition,

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and the left-hand side is a 2-story dining
kind of multipurpose type building.

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And in general, we are— it'll be adding
approximately 80 students as a part of

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approximately 80 students as a part of
this,

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and it'll be done in 2 phases.

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We've got the classroom addition will come
first, and then at some point later,

230
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as a part of the master plan, the
multipurpose building.

231
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Thank you.

232
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purpose building will be completed. And,
um, happy to answer any questions about

233
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um, happy to answer any questions about
it.

234
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Thank you. Uh, we'll,

235
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we'll see if we have any questions or
comments.

236
00:13:47,387 --> 00:13:52,294
Thank you, sir. Any comments or questions
from the

237
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commission, please? Go ahead, please. You
have the floor.

238
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Is there any going to be any traffic,
like,

239
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for overflow traffic coming into the main
road?

240
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Off of this, is that all the parent pickup
the children type thing,

241
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is that going to be on the premises or is
that going to be backed up on the main

242
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road? It'll be the same as what it is
currently as far as the route that's

243
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happening. I'm not sure if it's going to—
Well, you've passed—

244
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and I'm not familiar with Zion, like,

245
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going by it when people are picking up or
dropping off, but like a lot of schools,

246
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their traffic gets up on the main roads
because people are waiting to get in. Yes.

247
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Uh, I know there is some queuing space on
the site before you get up to the

248
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building. It, it, I couldn't tell you how
many linear feet I'd have to measure,

249
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but it does kind of snake up to it, up to
the front.

250
00:14:51,371 --> 00:14:56,719
Uh, I'm actually not familiar with if
they've got any issues currently or not.

251
00:14:56,719 --> 00:14:58,502
Very top side of the page.

252
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Yep, you can pull in, take an immediate
right,

253
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and it kind of loops back around 180
degrees up the front of the building.

254
00:15:06,730 --> 00:15:09,494
Oh, wait. Is that who's talking?

255
00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:19,289
Yes. Okay. Okay.

256
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Any other questions or comments?

257
00:15:26,793 --> 00:15:33,972
Debbie, you have— making a motion? Okay.
All right.

258
00:15:33,972 --> 00:15:36,928
Thank you. Thank you.

259
00:15:36,928 --> 00:15:41,995
Okay, we have a motion and a second.

260
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All in favor say aye.

261
00:15:44,951 --> 00:15:45,081
Aye.

262
00:15:46,221 --> 00:15:51,500
Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you,
sir. Okay.

263
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The next item on our agenda, item 6,

264
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is a final site plan for the Boondocks
project, which is in District 8,

265
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located at 3543 U.S. Highway 431 in
Columbia.

266
00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:11,705
Is the applicant present, please? Good
evening.

267
00:16:11,705 --> 00:16:16,477
If you could both just state your name,
please,

268
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and just tell us a little bit about what
you're proposing. Thank you.

269
00:16:23,482 --> 00:16:29,398
Yeah, I'm Alex Malika. I'm with TTO. We're
the civil engineers on the project.

270
00:16:29,398 --> 00:16:35,163
I'm Trey Barlow. Anyway, we're proposing a
gas station with 2 tenant spaces.

271
00:16:35,163 --> 00:16:41,383
Um, yeah, one, one thing I'll point out,
we were— this one has been on the agenda,

272
00:16:41,383 --> 00:16:47,072
I think, prior. We got pulled off due to a
mix-up with the capacity letter.

273
00:16:47,072 --> 00:16:51,320
Um, recently had a request to rejoin the
planning cycle.

274
00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:56,174
Um, nothing has really changed since the
last time we were here.

275
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It's just getting back into the cycle due
to missing one of the meeting dates.

276
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But, yeah.

277
00:17:02,849 --> 00:17:05,619
Okay. All right. Thank you.

278
00:17:05,619 --> 00:17:10,645
Questions, comments, please, from the
Commission.

279
00:17:10,645 --> 00:17:13,620
Jonathan, you have the floor.

280
00:17:13,620 --> 00:17:20,577
The zoning requirements require a 25-foot
setback for

281
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the gas pumps, and you're only showing 15
for your—

282
00:17:27,271 --> 00:17:33,702
on your plans. 25-foot setback for the gas
pumps.

283
00:17:33,702 --> 00:17:39,215
Is that from starting at the right-of-way?

284
00:17:39,215 --> 00:17:42,759
Is that what you're saying?

285
00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:47,353
What are you showing there, 29, 30?

286
00:17:47,353 --> 00:17:48,109
Yes.

287
00:17:48,109 --> 00:17:55,459
Okay. I must have misread the plans. Okay.
My other comment is— Your fire hydrant.

288
00:17:55,459 --> 00:17:59,403
You're 3,500 feet from your nearest
hydrant.

289
00:17:59,403 --> 00:18:06,216
The zoning requirement requires you to
abide by the subdivision regulations,

290
00:18:06,216 --> 00:18:10,877
which is 500 feet within— from your
nearest hydrant.

291
00:18:10,877 --> 00:18:17,779
Do you plan on installing a hydrant on
site? Yeah, that could be something we

292
00:18:17,779 --> 00:18:18,228
site? Yeah, that could be something we
show.

293
00:18:18,228 --> 00:18:24,323
I know there was a situation with Whether
it was sprinkled or— Well,

294
00:18:24,323 --> 00:18:31,136
it kind of comes back to that water
service availability letter that we were

295
00:18:31,136 --> 00:18:31,673
service availability letter that we were
trying

296
00:18:31,673 --> 00:18:35,259
to get and moving from 7,500 to 500 GPM.

297
00:18:35,259 --> 00:18:40,727
But I'm sure that we will propose that if
it's a requirement.

298
00:18:40,727 --> 00:18:52,793
Yeah, I would like to see that on the— as
a condition of approval.

299
00:18:55,793 --> 00:18:57,671
Thank you, Jonathan. Mr. Dale, the floor
is yours.

300
00:18:57,671 --> 00:19:05,219
Hearing on this, I suggested you darken up
your existing contours,

301
00:19:05,219 --> 00:19:11,509
and I see that you've done that, and I
appreciate that.

302
00:19:11,509 --> 00:19:16,426
Down in the— where the road on sheet
C-401,

303
00:19:16,426 --> 00:19:19,743
if you put that on the board.

304
00:19:19,743 --> 00:19:39,360
C-401.

305
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:46,152
It's for grading and drainage. I think
that's it.

306
00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:49,867
I can't see it from here, but— ah, there
you go.

307
00:19:49,867 --> 00:19:51,802
Over on where the offset—

308
00:19:51,802 --> 00:19:57,528
the easement there is to serve this house
that sits back here on this lot.

309
00:19:57,528 --> 00:20:00,314
Is that the purpose of the easement?

310
00:20:00,314 --> 00:20:03,720
From what I understand, there's 2
easements,

311
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,440
and we had talks with I've spoken to TDOT
about that as well.

312
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,697
TDOT doesn't own the easement, do they?
I'm sorry, sir?

313
00:20:12,697 --> 00:20:16,411
TDOT doesn't own the easement, do they?
No, sir.

314
00:20:16,411 --> 00:20:20,513
I was just talking about the— from what I
understand,

315
00:20:20,513 --> 00:20:23,763
it's an easement of access for that house.

316
00:20:23,763 --> 00:20:29,181
One of them is for the resident that's
there south of the development.

317
00:20:29,181 --> 00:20:32,276
And then there's a There's a second one,

318
00:20:32,276 --> 00:20:37,229
but essentially we are utilizing that so
that they can maintain—

319
00:20:37,229 --> 00:20:43,575
whoever the owner is can maintain access
to that property as well as the owners of

320
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this development can access.

321
00:20:45,742 --> 00:20:51,701
Are both those easements contained within
this one area here, or one of them—

322
00:20:51,701 --> 00:20:55,803
where are the 2 easements? I didn't know
there was 2.

323
00:20:55,803 --> 00:20:59,053
They should be contained in that one area.

324
00:20:59,053 --> 00:21:03,542
Have you obtained a copy of those
easements? I believe so.

325
00:21:03,542 --> 00:21:07,102
I don't have them with— obviously not with
us,

326
00:21:07,102 --> 00:21:12,519
but if that's something we need to
research a little further, I think—

327
00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:13,061
research a little further, I think—
Fellas,

328
00:21:13,061 --> 00:21:17,317
it's about— we've had this now for about 3
or 4 months.

329
00:21:17,317 --> 00:21:20,490
It's about time to complete our research.

330
00:21:20,490 --> 00:21:26,372
I don't know what to do with those
easements if we don't know where they are

331
00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:26,913
easements if we don't know where they are
and who

332
00:21:26,913 --> 00:21:32,176
they serve. Now, y'all have indicated you
can't ban the landscaping.

333
00:21:32,176 --> 00:21:34,575
strip because it's an easement.

334
00:21:34,575 --> 00:21:40,921
I don't know whether that's right or not
until we know where the easements are and

335
00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:43,088
what the easements are like.

336
00:21:43,088 --> 00:21:49,356
What I'm saying is I don't have the deed
with me currently, but that's something—

337
00:21:49,356 --> 00:21:53,071
what we're showing there, the surveyed
easement,

338
00:21:53,071 --> 00:21:56,012
I believe that's reflected accurately.

339
00:21:56,012 --> 00:22:02,358
If it's not showing here, we could clarify
that. Further. Yeah, there should be 2.

340
00:22:02,358 --> 00:22:05,531
Sorry, down here and within the easement.

341
00:22:05,531 --> 00:22:08,549
Now starting at the offset right there,

342
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:14,663
there's a V-shaped line that comes through
it that is not explained what it is.

343
00:22:14,663 --> 00:22:18,997
It starts right in the corner and runs
over in the site,

344
00:22:18,997 --> 00:22:22,324
comes back down to the property line
again.

345
00:22:22,324 --> 00:22:28,129
Can you— and there's a similar I have an
item over on the other side of the

346
00:22:28,129 --> 00:22:31,456
property, I believe, only it's much
deeper.

347
00:22:31,456 --> 00:22:35,945
It looks like a ditch symbol, but I don't
know what it is.

348
00:22:35,945 --> 00:22:40,820
Can you enlighten me on that? I'm going to
bring that out here.

349
00:22:40,820 --> 00:22:46,392
Is this the— you talking about the
V-shaped contour? Is that what you're

350
00:22:46,392 --> 00:22:46,934
V-shaped contour? Is that what you're
saying?

351
00:22:46,934 --> 00:22:51,810
Oh, it's not— I hope it's not a contour.
Maybe it is a contour.

352
00:22:51,810 --> 00:22:57,537
It doesn't have any numbers on it. Let's
see. It's not shown as a contour.

353
00:22:57,537 --> 00:23:02,025
It's a solid light line, which looks like
an arrow almost.

354
00:23:02,025 --> 00:23:07,752
I think that's another one of the lines
denoting one of those 2 easements.

355
00:23:07,752 --> 00:23:08,756
It's what?

356
00:23:08,756 --> 00:23:14,626
I think it's another one of those lines
denoting one of the 2 easements.

357
00:23:14,626 --> 00:23:20,985
It might show up better on the existing—
on the existing condition sheet, sir.

358
00:23:20,985 --> 00:23:24,736
Well, where's the sheet set? Let's look at
it.

359
00:23:24,736 --> 00:23:28,894
I think it looks like it's an attempt at a
contour,

360
00:23:28,894 --> 00:23:32,400
but the contour denies that it's a
contour.

361
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,291
5-foot easement, and then there's a line
connecting the two.

362
00:23:37,291 --> 00:23:40,471
If that's the line you're referring to.

363
00:23:40,471 --> 00:23:46,912
Fellas, I don't have a problem with your
site. I don't have a problem with your

364
00:23:46,912 --> 00:23:47,238
site. I don't have a problem with your
use.

365
00:23:47,238 --> 00:23:52,619
But I'm afraid we're coming here
unprepared as far as some of this

366
00:23:52,619 --> 00:23:53,597
unprepared as far as some of this
information.

367
00:23:53,597 --> 00:23:59,304
And I don't find out on anything else. Are
you referring to this line?

368
00:23:59,304 --> 00:24:02,321
Sorry, I'm not able to catch it here.

369
00:24:02,370 --> 00:24:05,941
You're talking about the line coming Sir,
excuse me,

370
00:24:05,941 --> 00:24:09,718
you can walk up to the— to the— if you'd
like to point.

371
00:24:09,718 --> 00:24:10,405
Thank you.

372
00:24:10,405 --> 00:24:13,463
No, come up. See that big line, that
curved line,

373
00:24:13,463 --> 00:24:18,330
the arc coming right up north of your—
north of your property line? Oh, I see.

374
00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:22,387
And it comes to a point out yonder
somewhere and then comes back.

375
00:24:22,387 --> 00:24:26,318
That's a— that's a leader from a— that's a
callout right there.

376
00:24:26,479 --> 00:24:26,979
That's what?

377
00:24:27,367 --> 00:24:32,278
That's a dimension callout right there.
That's Coming off the screen.

378
00:24:32,278 --> 00:24:35,837
If you were— you scroll to the right a
little bit.

379
00:24:35,837 --> 00:24:40,036
If you scroll to the right a little bit,
you'll see that's,

380
00:24:40,036 --> 00:24:44,306
that's the noting that that easement— we
have the 2 leaders.

381
00:24:44,306 --> 00:24:48,861
I'm sorry, I wasn't sure what we were—
Tell me again what it is.

382
00:24:48,861 --> 00:24:54,555
It's another leader for that callout right
there, the 25-foot. So it's an arrow.

383
00:24:54,555 --> 00:24:57,829
I believe it's just showing up a little—
Well,

384
00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:02,740
what about the one over on the right-hand
side? That one right there?

385
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:08,078
Yeah, we're I think it's— we're just
denoting that line right there on both

386
00:25:08,078 --> 00:25:08,505
denoting that line right there on both
sides,

387
00:25:08,505 --> 00:25:12,064
just calling it out along the property
line there.

388
00:25:12,064 --> 00:25:16,904
I think what you're seeing there— I'm
sorry, I was misunderstanding,

389
00:25:16,904 --> 00:25:22,242
but I believe that's— you're seeing that
arrow kind of cross through there,

390
00:25:22,242 --> 00:25:27,509
and it might be a little murky, but that's
what we're showing right there.

391
00:25:27,509 --> 00:25:29,857
It's just showing along the line.

392
00:25:29,857 --> 00:25:35,266
The plan that's before me shows The
grading line of 698 over on the adjacent

393
00:25:35,266 --> 00:25:38,612
property rather than within your property
line.

394
00:25:38,612 --> 00:25:44,234
It doesn't show where it hooks up to an
existing 498 before it gets on property

395
00:25:44,234 --> 00:25:48,362
line. I know the encroachment is not but a
couple of feet,

396
00:25:48,362 --> 00:25:51,138
but an encroachment is an encroachment.

397
00:25:51,138 --> 00:25:54,839
And I think you need to get that out of
there. Sure.

398
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,544
Okay, I see, I see what you're saying.

399
00:25:57,544 --> 00:26:03,095
Yeah, that's something we absolutely— I
mean, there's— it's a quite flat site.

400
00:26:03,095 --> 00:26:06,440
It's not going to be flat when you get
through,

401
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,707
when you've got the 2 easements about 4
feet apart down here at one point.

402
00:26:11,707 --> 00:26:16,974
Your 98 and your 90— I mean, 89 and 90
easement are really close together.

403
00:26:16,974 --> 00:26:20,106
I think it's about 5 feet, so that's 2 to
1.

404
00:26:20,106 --> 00:26:23,095
And once again, I think it's just details.

405
00:26:23,095 --> 00:26:24,566
Sure.

406
00:26:24,566 --> 00:26:27,439
But the problem with that is when you give
this to a contractor,

407
00:26:27,439 --> 00:26:28,921
he's going to grade it like this.

408
00:26:28,921 --> 00:26:29,164
Sure.

409
00:26:29,164 --> 00:26:34,251
He's going out there and set his rod down
and say, this is the elevation.

410
00:26:34,251 --> 00:26:39,616
And I don't think you're ready right there
in the corner. It's your property.

411
00:26:39,616 --> 00:26:45,121
Or y'all's— your client's property. I have
no problem whatsoever with the site.

412
00:26:45,121 --> 00:26:50,346
I'm all in favor of approving it, but you
got a problem with your contours.

413
00:26:50,346 --> 00:26:56,060
I'll speak to that. Um, you know, coming
here a little behind the game on this, I,

414
00:26:56,060 --> 00:27:00,659
I definitely think we could go through and
clean up a lot of this,

415
00:27:00,659 --> 00:27:05,815
a lot of details on the plans. Um, that's
part of the reason why I'm here.

416
00:27:05,815 --> 00:27:11,111
If, if there's any issues like that, uh, I
appreciate you pointing them out,

417
00:27:11,111 --> 00:27:15,919
and we'll try to clean that up, especially
some of the callouts here.

418
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:21,075
The symbols that you use are— I understand
the reason why you use symbols,

419
00:27:21,075 --> 00:27:24,629
but when you blow them down to this size
over here,

420
00:27:24,629 --> 00:27:28,043
it's kind of hard to make sure which one's
which.

421
00:27:28,043 --> 00:27:33,199
The big area out here in the center,
right, Right here, that is a concrete

422
00:27:33,199 --> 00:27:33,547
right, Right here, that is a concrete
area,

423
00:27:33,547 --> 00:27:34,523
is that right?

424
00:27:34,523 --> 00:27:36,582
Yes, sir.

425
00:27:36,582 --> 00:27:44,122
That carries a heavy load? It should be
called out as heavy-duty asphalt.

426
00:27:44,122 --> 00:27:50,526
It looks like it's a— Building overlaid
with asphalt pavement.

427
00:27:50,526 --> 00:27:55,484
That's asphalt pavement? So it's not heavy
duty?

428
00:27:55,484 --> 00:27:58,996
I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time.

429
00:27:58,996 --> 00:28:04,677
The big crosshatch part right there around
the K sound.

430
00:28:04,677 --> 00:28:11,288
Yes, so that right there is— we're
denoting overlay right there.

431
00:28:11,288 --> 00:28:18,828
The heavy-duty asphalt proposed section is
right there in the dark shaded

432
00:28:18,828 --> 00:28:26,265
area. The crosshatched area then, what is
it? That is asphalt. Yes, sir.

433
00:28:26,265 --> 00:28:28,951
It is asphalt, heavy duty?

434
00:28:28,951 --> 00:28:30,091
Yes, sir.

435
00:28:30,091 --> 00:28:33,496
It calls out, looks like required overlay
asphalt pavement.

436
00:28:33,496 --> 00:28:36,900
It looks like when I look at your details,
is that correct?

437
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:38,920
I see what you're saying. Yes, sir.

438
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,844
I believe that hatch is a little
different, but it's not very clear.

439
00:28:42,844 --> 00:28:45,902
And I definitely understand where you're
coming from.

440
00:28:45,902 --> 00:28:50,749
And the reason I bring this up is you You
have heavy-duty pavement over here on this

441
00:28:50,749 --> 00:28:52,422
side, and it ends right here.

442
00:28:52,422 --> 00:28:54,442
If this is not heavy-duty pavement,

443
00:28:54,442 --> 00:28:58,539
I don't know how you're going to get a
truck on this. Sure. Absolutely.

444
00:28:58,539 --> 00:29:03,097
And so either you need to expand the
heavy-duty pavement or show in detail what

445
00:29:03,097 --> 00:29:06,502
makes this heavy-duty pavement. I don't
believe it's there.

446
00:29:06,502 --> 00:29:07,909
Absolutely.

447
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:13,078
Yeah, and may I ask, for the sake of
clarifying some of these things,

448
00:29:13,078 --> 00:29:17,723
I know Switching systems here to kind of
clean up these plans.

449
00:29:17,723 --> 00:29:21,619
Do you guys prefer to see keynotes and a
little bit—

450
00:29:21,619 --> 00:29:25,215
instead of having so many callouts on one
sheet?

451
00:29:25,215 --> 00:29:30,833
I know you mentioned it was hard for
visibility on some of those viewports.

452
00:29:30,833 --> 00:29:36,377
Is keynotes something you'd prefer instead
of the legend system like that?

453
00:29:36,377 --> 00:29:40,123
You know what I'm saying? Calling out the
details.

454
00:29:40,123 --> 00:29:40,832
Yeah.

455
00:29:41,602 --> 00:29:43,023
That's all I got. I got you.

456
00:29:43,023 --> 00:29:45,087
Thank you, Mr. Delk.

457
00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:49,319
Additional questions from the commission?

458
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,003
Tracy, you have the floor.

459
00:29:52,003 --> 00:29:56,674
Oh, going back to that easement, that's
plat book 7, page 187.

460
00:29:56,674 --> 00:30:00,214
So that easement's been around for a long
time.

461
00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:04,735
Is it— is it accessing the frame house
down on the backside?

462
00:30:04,735 --> 00:30:10,611
Who's actually— who's using that 25-foot
easement? Which property is using it?

463
00:30:10,611 --> 00:30:14,453
It'd be for the property that's just south
of ours.

464
00:30:14,453 --> 00:30:20,479
And then there's a second one for the
house that's in the back, I believe. Okay.

465
00:30:20,479 --> 00:30:25,451
So there's 2 of them. Y'all are not the
one that goes in the back.

466
00:30:25,451 --> 00:30:30,499
So you've got this house on the south here
accessing from that one.

467
00:30:30,499 --> 00:30:36,601
So that's crossing the other easement to
access Their property or their dwelling.

468
00:30:36,601 --> 00:30:42,611
Yes.

469
00:30:42,611 --> 00:30:48,169
So I guess the question to staff, is that
allowable to cross an easement,

470
00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:51,824
to come off an easement, cross another
easement?

471
00:30:51,824 --> 00:30:57,762
It feels like we're building a road here.
You want me to answer or you got it?

472
00:30:57,762 --> 00:31:00,655
Yeah, that's— to answer your question,

473
00:31:00,655 --> 00:31:04,462
that's an existing condition as it sits
currently.

474
00:31:04,462 --> 00:31:08,193
That property has always been used as
commercial,

475
00:31:08,193 --> 00:31:13,142
and those easements have been around
since— as you, as you noted,

476
00:31:13,142 --> 00:31:16,339
the plat book dates quite a ways back too.

477
00:31:16,339 --> 00:31:22,278
So, um, so the other thing is I'm trying
to find how much lights it's going to

478
00:31:22,278 --> 00:31:22,811
create.

479
00:31:22,811 --> 00:31:25,215
Light? Yeah, lights.

480
00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:31,284
So you're going to light up a gas station
there. They're pretty bright. Correct.

481
00:31:31,284 --> 00:31:36,080
Yeah, that's something we can get some
details put together for.

482
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,025
If a photometric plan needs to be
provided, we can look into that.

483
00:31:41,025 --> 00:31:44,322
I have no comment on exactly how much
light,

484
00:31:44,322 --> 00:31:50,016
but if that's something we can show on the
plans coming from the contractor,

485
00:31:50,016 --> 00:31:52,414
that's something we can provide.

486
00:31:52,414 --> 00:31:57,359
Aren't we in our zones to To have the
light plan for, like, light,

487
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:02,304
how bright the light is, all that stuff.
Ain't that in our zoning?

488
00:32:02,304 --> 00:32:03,653
Pretty sure it is.

489
00:32:03,926 --> 00:32:04,393
It's in there.

490
00:32:04,393 --> 00:32:06,668
That is in our current zoning text.

491
00:32:06,668 --> 00:32:11,997
I'm not certain that this one didn't have
application prior to that current zoning

492
00:32:11,997 --> 00:32:15,181
text, but the lighting, the cast of the
lighting,

493
00:32:15,181 --> 00:32:18,431
should be under the Planning Commission's
purview.

494
00:32:18,431 --> 00:32:22,200
As well as landscaping and buffering from
those nuisances.

495
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,995
So we probably need to see a lighting
plan.

496
00:32:24,995 --> 00:32:28,763
Sure.

497
00:32:28,763 --> 00:32:30,008
That's all I had.

498
00:32:30,008 --> 00:32:31,399
Thanks, Tracy.

499
00:32:31,399 --> 00:32:32,660
Thank you.

500
00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,372
Giles, you've got the floor.

501
00:32:34,372 --> 00:32:38,242
On Sheet C-501. About, I guess, east of
the—

502
00:32:38,242 --> 00:32:41,759
on the back of the side of the building,

503
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:48,619
there's a comment there that says tie
outlet line from building to grease trap

504
00:32:48,619 --> 00:32:48,883
outlet line from building to grease trap
and

505
00:32:48,883 --> 00:32:53,104
from grease trap to existing septic field
lines.

506
00:32:53,104 --> 00:32:59,260
Are you going to run a grease trap to the
septic field lines directly?

507
00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:01,723
That's the intent. Yes, sir.

508
00:33:01,723 --> 00:33:05,240
But I can get back with a more detailed—

509
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,110
I don't think that's a recommended
practice.

510
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:15,970
That's going to— that's going to kill the
field lines as soon as that happens,

511
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:23,181
within months. I think most of the time
you pump out a grease trap, I would think.

512
00:33:23,181 --> 00:33:26,611
But I don't think pumping to the field—

513
00:33:26,611 --> 00:33:33,822
the field lines directly is going to solve
anything other than create problems for

514
00:33:33,822 --> 00:33:36,461
everybody around there. I see.

515
00:33:36,461 --> 00:33:43,496
If that's something— I'm assuming we'll
see— Well, it says you have an existing—

516
00:33:43,496 --> 00:33:48,333
you're grandfathered in on the septic
system from TDEC.

517
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:53,434
But does that allow a grease trap going to
your fill line,

518
00:33:53,434 --> 00:33:59,590
directly to your fill lines? So far,
that's something we've had shown.

519
00:33:59,590 --> 00:34:03,372
in our TDEC submittals, but we can, uh,
if,

520
00:34:03,372 --> 00:34:07,153
if there's any kind of follow-up from
them,

521
00:34:07,153 --> 00:34:13,134
that's something we'll look into and keep
note of that as a comment.

522
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:15,508
Okay, no further questions.

523
00:34:15,508 --> 00:34:20,413
Thank you. Jonathan?

524
00:34:20,413 --> 00:34:22,603
Clarify— clarifying comment, the, uh,

525
00:34:22,603 --> 00:34:25,622
15-foot setback is actually on your title
page, uh,

526
00:34:25,622 --> 00:34:28,581
that is shown as a measurement on your
title page,

527
00:34:28,581 --> 00:34:31,363
so just make that correction when you
resubmit.

528
00:34:34,204 --> 00:34:34,559
Yeah.

529
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,831
Thank you.

530
00:34:38,395 --> 00:34:41,444
I know you'll be working with TDOT for
approval.

531
00:34:41,444 --> 00:34:44,493
This is on a really, really busy 2-lane
highway.

532
00:34:44,493 --> 00:34:48,876
Is part of that approval going to be a
left turn lane from the north?

533
00:34:48,876 --> 00:34:53,371
Currently, that's not part of their
conditional approval.

534
00:34:53,371 --> 00:34:59,600
They did require that we show a right turn
out only for that northernmost Exit.

535
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,277
And then on the south, what I have shown
is what TDOT wanted us to show.

536
00:35:05,277 --> 00:35:10,560
But currently, they did not require that
we propose a turning lane.

537
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,479
That's right. Because you get a car coming
or one or two cars traveling from the

538
00:35:15,479 --> 00:35:19,352
north to the south to stop there to turn
into your gas station,

539
00:35:19,352 --> 00:35:24,025
it's going to back up for a long way. So
that might just be a consideration.

540
00:35:24,025 --> 00:35:26,792
Thank you. Kristi, I have a question,
please,

541
00:35:26,792 --> 00:35:30,358
regarding that particular item that Debbie
just mentioned.

542
00:35:30,358 --> 00:35:34,539
It's my understanding that once we, we
move forward from this point,

543
00:35:34,539 --> 00:35:39,397
then TDOT would take a look at this and
they would advise what would need to be

544
00:35:39,397 --> 00:35:39,643
they would advise what would need to be
done

545
00:35:39,643 --> 00:35:42,963
as far as turn lanes and traffic studies
and so forth.

546
00:35:42,963 --> 00:35:47,882
Could you comment on that, please? That's
my understanding. Okay. What you said.

547
00:35:47,882 --> 00:35:49,542
Okay. All right. Thank you.

548
00:35:49,542 --> 00:35:54,343
And if you don't mind me speaking on that,
so We did, like you were saying,

549
00:35:54,343 --> 00:35:58,953
I'm just confirming that TDOT did have
conceptual approval of the plans,

550
00:35:58,953 --> 00:36:03,690
but they were awaiting comments from our
county for the official approval.

551
00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:09,004
So I know that was the comment we came in
here with. Thank you for clarifying that.

552
00:36:09,004 --> 00:36:12,934
It is a concern. I live near there, and
gas tankers pulling in,

553
00:36:12,934 --> 00:36:17,301
it's a very heavily traveled road during
morning and evening commutes,

554
00:36:17,301 --> 00:36:21,419
so that is a concern about you know, safe
ingress and egress from,

555
00:36:21,419 --> 00:36:22,604
from that property.

556
00:36:22,604 --> 00:36:23,695
Understood.

557
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:28,010
Thank you.

558
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:34,914
Other questions,

559
00:36:34,914 --> 00:36:42,249
comments, please?

560
00:36:42,249 --> 00:36:49,585
I'm looking for a

561
00:36:49,585 --> 00:36:52,605
motion.

562
00:36:52,605 --> 00:36:58,550
Are we able to include all of our comments

563
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:03,929
tonight as part of the recommendation?

564
00:37:03,929 --> 00:37:10,299
Is that permissible? Maybe that's a
question.

565
00:37:10,299 --> 00:37:16,385
Robert, I'd recommend listing those out
for

566
00:37:16,385 --> 00:37:23,321
clarity. Conditions of approval, if you
have any,

567
00:37:23,321 --> 00:37:29,549
I recommend listing them out as part of
that

568
00:37:29,549 --> 00:37:33,692
motion. Robert, Robert.

569
00:37:36,692 --> 00:37:38,200
Was not— his mic was not on.

570
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,241
He's recommending that we list anything
that has come up in our discussion,

571
00:37:42,241 --> 00:37:46,281
that those items be listed as part of a
motion or any decision reached this

572
00:37:46,281 --> 00:37:46,712
motion or any decision reached this
evening.

573
00:37:46,712 --> 00:37:49,063
Let's put them together.

574
00:37:49,063 --> 00:37:49,906
Huh?

575
00:37:49,906 --> 00:37:51,689
Light plant.

576
00:37:51,689 --> 00:37:54,266
Grease trap.

577
00:37:54,266 --> 00:38:01,185
Hydrant. Power hydrant. Y'all hear me?

578
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:06,694
Go ahead. So we said fire

579
00:38:06,694 --> 00:38:09,646
hydrant, grease trap,

580
00:38:09,646 --> 00:38:11,614
lighting plan.

581
00:38:11,614 --> 00:38:16,976
Clarification on annotations.

582
00:38:16,976 --> 00:38:20,674
Easement purpose and

583
00:38:20,674 --> 00:38:22,893
description.

584
00:38:22,893 --> 00:38:24,325
I don't know.

585
00:38:25,008 --> 00:38:25,513
I'm going to ask him.

586
00:38:25,513 --> 00:38:26,587
Anything else?

587
00:38:28,008 --> 00:38:31,857
All right, I'm going to move approval with
following conditions.

588
00:38:31,857 --> 00:38:34,503
After you.

589
00:38:34,503 --> 00:38:38,602
A light plan be submitted to acceptable
staff, uh,

590
00:38:38,602 --> 00:38:44,831
that the grease trap be put on a separate
overflow field unless specifically

591
00:38:44,831 --> 00:38:47,782
approved otherwise by TDI, by state.

592
00:38:47,782 --> 00:38:53,930
Fire hydrants, appropriate fire hydrants
be added to within the limitations

593
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:56,471
established by our regulations,

594
00:38:56,471 --> 00:39:01,308
that you look at regrading near the
property line properly,

595
00:39:01,308 --> 00:39:07,866
and that you provide the location and
easement purpose of the easements that are

596
00:39:07,866 --> 00:39:12,128
there and the book and page in which they
are found.

597
00:39:12,128 --> 00:39:15,653
And with those conditions, I move
approval,

598
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:21,801
and the conditions that the staff has
already placed on it in their review.

599
00:39:21,801 --> 00:39:24,096
I would move approval. Okay.

600
00:39:24,561 --> 00:39:31,575
Thank you. We've made note of those. So
Debbie has a second? Okay. All right.

601
00:39:31,575 --> 00:39:38,225
We're ready to vote. All in favor say aye.
Those opposed? Motion carries.

602
00:39:38,225 --> 00:39:40,685
Thank you, gentlemen. Okay.

603
00:39:40,685 --> 00:39:43,964
The next item on our agenda, item 7,

604
00:39:43,964 --> 00:39:48,245
is a preliminary plat reapproval with
revision.

605
00:39:48,245 --> 00:39:53,073
This is Forest Trails, 82 lots located in
District 8.

606
00:39:53,073 --> 00:39:56,626
Is the applicant present? Good evening.

607
00:39:56,626 --> 00:40:03,549
If you could just state your name and tell
us a little bit about what you're

608
00:40:03,549 --> 00:40:06,191
proposing, please. Thank you.

609
00:40:06,191 --> 00:40:12,770
Thank you. Appreciate it. Joe Epps with
Anderson, Delk, Epps and Associates.

610
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:20,041
Uh, like the staff report says, uh, we're
trying to get reapproval of Forest Trails.

611
00:40:20,041 --> 00:40:27,226
There's 82 lots. Uh, the last time it was
approved was, uh, back on September 25th,

612
00:40:27,226 --> 00:40:27,659
2023.

613
00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:32,289
Thank you, sir. Questions or comments?
Mr., Mr. Delk?

614
00:40:32,756 --> 00:40:36,098
Okay. I've said this before, but our
staff,

615
00:40:36,098 --> 00:40:41,848
our commission is almost 100% turned over
since the last time we had this.

616
00:40:41,848 --> 00:40:48,220
This is presented to you from the firm of
Anderson, Delk, and Hatt and Associates.

617
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:52,883
That is a firm that Mike Anderson and I
established in 1977.

618
00:40:52,883 --> 00:40:57,701
Joe Epps came on board '84, I think,
somewhere along in there.

619
00:40:58,679 --> 00:40:59,016
And—

620
00:40:59,561 --> 00:41:05,488
but I— when I retired in 2000, I've had no
further contact with the firm,

621
00:41:05,488 --> 00:41:08,817
have no association with them whatsoever,

622
00:41:08,817 --> 00:41:14,500
and I will not be declaring a conflict of
interest on this. All right.

623
00:41:15,097 --> 00:41:21,238
Thank you, Mr. Delk. Other comments or
questions?

624
00:41:21,238 --> 00:41:24,622
Debbie, you have the floor.

625
00:41:24,622 --> 00:41:31,140
So the main entrance to this is going to
be on Ollie

626
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:34,900
Chun Road, the 2 access roads?

627
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:39,202
Well, we've got the one that's going to
come off Ollie Chun Road,

628
00:41:39,202 --> 00:41:44,298
and then there's accesses that will be
developed later on as other properties

629
00:41:44,298 --> 00:41:44,695
developed later on as other properties
around

630
00:41:44,695 --> 00:41:45,820
it develop. Okay.

631
00:41:46,681 --> 00:41:53,525
And is it— it's 80— let's see, I had a
note here. It's 82 single-family homes?

632
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,815
Yes, ma'am. All right.

633
00:41:55,847 --> 00:42:01,556
One of the documents said it was 97, so
that was a little concerning.

634
00:42:01,556 --> 00:42:06,356
But that's— so that's about like over 500
car trips a day.

635
00:42:06,356 --> 00:42:12,065
And so their access would be mainly to get
out to 431 would be Kidron

636
00:42:12,065 --> 00:42:13,637
Road or Will Brown?

637
00:42:13,637 --> 00:42:16,130
After they got off Ali Chan.

638
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:17,875
After they got off Ali Chan.

639
00:42:17,875 --> 00:42:21,551
So they're going to either have to do
Kidron or Yes, ma'am.

640
00:42:21,551 --> 00:42:22,115
Okay.

641
00:42:24,358 --> 00:42:28,408
All right. That's, again, a lot of traffic
going onto a very,

642
00:42:28,408 --> 00:42:30,598
very busy 2-lane road out on 431.

643
00:42:30,598 --> 00:42:35,511
So I don't know if there are any
improvements in the work for Kidron Road,

644
00:42:35,511 --> 00:42:37,901
but that's not part of your project.

645
00:42:38,575 --> 00:42:38,883
So, all right.

646
00:42:38,932 --> 00:42:43,605
Thank you. That is a concern of mine with
the traffic on 431 and on Kidron Road.

647
00:42:43,605 --> 00:42:44,949
That's a lot of houses.

648
00:42:44,949 --> 00:42:49,213
And there's— you said there's more plans
for additional Probably adjacent

649
00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:49,797
for additional Probably adjacent
properties

650
00:42:49,797 --> 00:42:51,141
will develop over time.

651
00:42:51,205 --> 00:42:51,578
Yes, ma'am.

652
00:42:51,578 --> 00:42:52,517
Right. All right.

653
00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:53,877
Thank you. Thank you.

654
00:42:53,877 --> 00:42:57,588
Any other comments or

655
00:42:57,588 --> 00:43:02,891
questions from the commission?

656
00:43:02,891 --> 00:43:03,951
Giles.

657
00:43:03,951 --> 00:43:09,769
What was the— what was the reason that the
total site area was reduced from 153 to

658
00:43:09,769 --> 00:43:13,387
the 84? The site that the Stalin Coker is
still on,

659
00:43:13,387 --> 00:43:16,722
it was on the original concept plan as
Phase 5.

660
00:43:16,722 --> 00:43:20,624
It was never part of the preliminary that
was approved.

661
00:43:20,624 --> 00:43:24,669
The preliminary was approved just for
Phases 1 through 4.

662
00:43:24,669 --> 00:43:30,557
So that's what we're trying to reapprove,
just Phases 1 through 4. Okay. Thank you.

663
00:43:30,557 --> 00:43:31,267
Thank you.

664
00:43:31,267 --> 00:43:36,022
Any others?

665
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:46,817
Harold, no comments of changes at

666
00:43:46,817 --> 00:43:53,311
No changes need to be made,

667
00:43:53,311 --> 00:43:59,564
is that correct, on staff?

668
00:43:59,564 --> 00:44:05,096
That's not correct, or—

669
00:44:05,096 --> 00:44:11,590
That is correct. We are not

670
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:17,603
recommending any changes.

671
00:44:17,603 --> 00:44:24,674
Thank you. Okay, we have a motion and a

672
00:44:24,674 --> 00:44:29,933
second. All in favor say aye.

673
00:44:29,933 --> 00:44:35,372
Those opposed? Motion carries.

674
00:44:35,372 --> 00:44:38,092
Thank you, sir.

675
00:44:38,092 --> 00:44:44,369
Appreciate it.

676
00:44:44,369 --> 00:44:49,789
Okay. The next item on our agenda this
evening is item 8,

677
00:44:49,789 --> 00:44:55,305
which is a concept plan for Ridgeline
Reserve subdivision.

678
00:44:55,305 --> 00:45:00,915
in District 9. Is the applicant present?
Good evening, sir.

679
00:45:00,915 --> 00:45:07,191
If you could just tell us your name and
tell us a little bit about

680
00:45:07,191 --> 00:45:10,044
what you're proposing, please.

681
00:45:10,044 --> 00:45:11,804
Good evening, Commissioners.

682
00:45:11,804 --> 00:45:15,385
My name is Cole Newton, TKC Architecture
and Engineering.

683
00:45:15,385 --> 00:45:18,402
We prepared the concept plan before you
tonight.

684
00:45:18,402 --> 00:45:23,115
Um, 13 lots, all greater than 5 acres.
Majority of them have road frontage.

685
00:45:23,115 --> 00:45:27,262
4 lots are pass-through lots, easement
Easement pass-through lots,

686
00:45:27,262 --> 00:45:31,159
extension of a water line is included as
part of the proposal.

687
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:33,735
Happy to answer any questions you've got.

688
00:45:33,735 --> 00:45:37,938
Thank you, sir. I do want to take some—

689
00:45:37,938 --> 00:45:40,740
any questions or comments.

690
00:45:40,740 --> 00:45:47,530
We have a number of people here this
evening who have requested

691
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:49,901
to speak on this item,

692
00:45:49,901 --> 00:45:56,690
but I do want to come to the commission
first for any questions

693
00:45:56,690 --> 00:46:01,001
or You know, comments. Thank you. Tracy?

694
00:46:01,001 --> 00:46:05,658
Other than the water line, what's the
requirements for this to be—

695
00:46:05,658 --> 00:46:11,091
is it specifically the water line asking
to have a water line extended to the

696
00:46:11,091 --> 00:46:16,383
site? Is that the only reason why we're
seeing concept plan on this type of

697
00:46:16,383 --> 00:46:17,230
subdivision?

698
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:23,445
There are multiple reasons, and you all
received the memo.

699
00:46:26,445 --> 00:46:28,026
That was one of them.

700
00:46:28,026 --> 00:46:31,789
I understand that, but I'm looking at the
one now,

701
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,424
so not the previous correspondence.

702
00:46:34,424 --> 00:46:39,542
So like here, right here, this
subdivision, is there— other than the

703
00:46:39,542 --> 00:46:40,370
subdivision, is there— other than the
water line,

704
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:45,639
I don't see— what is the— and I'm not
asking this as a light question.

705
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,082
It's a subdivision plat like any other
that you would see,

706
00:46:49,082 --> 00:46:53,238
and so you We would review it just like
whether you have a 50-lot or a

707
00:46:53,238 --> 00:46:54,366
13-lot subdivision.

708
00:46:54,366 --> 00:46:58,382
So my question is, what is the difference
between this one and one that gets

709
00:46:58,382 --> 00:47:00,496
recorded out? Is it just the water line?

710
00:47:00,496 --> 00:47:02,504
Because they're asking for water line.

711
00:47:02,504 --> 00:47:05,482
Well, this won't be recorded because it's
a concept plan.

712
00:47:05,482 --> 00:47:08,041
And so it will come back with a
preliminary plat.

713
00:47:08,041 --> 00:47:12,012
And then if you all approve a preliminary
and then a final plat, ultimately,

714
00:47:12,012 --> 00:47:14,937
whatever the final plat looks like that
you all approve,

715
00:47:14,937 --> 00:47:16,504
that's what would be recorded.

716
00:47:16,504 --> 00:47:19,952
That's what would legally create the lots
that could then be sold.

717
00:47:20,581 --> 00:47:20,758
Okay.

718
00:47:20,984 --> 00:47:26,327
So what is different that gets recorded, a
couple of steps away from that.

719
00:47:26,327 --> 00:47:28,926
So the concept plan is more general.

720
00:47:28,926 --> 00:47:30,587
So you all can comment,

721
00:47:30,587 --> 00:47:35,497
share your thoughts on that before it
comes in for preliminary plat,

722
00:47:35,497 --> 00:47:39,612
which would be the vesting document, if
that makes sense.

723
00:47:39,612 --> 00:47:41,582
So that I got questions.

724
00:47:41,582 --> 00:47:44,456
Lot number 3 and then lot number 5,

725
00:47:44,456 --> 00:47:49,136
you're showing soils area that crosses the
property line.

726
00:47:49,136 --> 00:47:54,555
Those are preliminary soil areas that we
did for the concept plan.

727
00:47:54,555 --> 00:47:56,607
I mean, they'll be split.

728
00:47:56,607 --> 00:47:59,317
That's just a huge area of soils,

729
00:47:59,317 --> 00:48:04,900
but there's enough soils on each of those
lots to account for— Yeah,

730
00:48:04,900 --> 00:48:08,677
it should offset the 10-foot on each lot
line,

731
00:48:08,677 --> 00:48:15,081
then have the calculation because you're
adding in unusable area to the soils.

732
00:48:15,081 --> 00:48:21,649
And that would apply to any of the other
ones that's touching the property line.

733
00:48:21,649 --> 00:48:28,135
And what's the difference between the
25-foot utility easements and the 25-foot

734
00:48:28,135 --> 00:48:30,845
ingress/egress utility easements?

735
00:48:30,845 --> 00:48:37,577
The ingress/egress easements along with
the utility easements allow access all the

736
00:48:37,577 --> 00:48:41,354
way back. To the 4 lots that are off the
road.

737
00:48:41,354 --> 00:48:46,198
Some of them will have, you know, they'll
have water lines.

738
00:48:46,198 --> 00:48:52,684
They'll have— the water service will run
in the ingress/egress utility easement

739
00:48:52,684 --> 00:48:53,012
in the ingress/egress utility easement
from

740
00:48:53,012 --> 00:48:58,103
the right-of-way all the way back. Is that
what you're asking?

741
00:48:58,103 --> 00:49:03,275
You're running 2 easements. Let's just use
Lot 7, for instance.

742
00:49:03,275 --> 00:49:06,642
You've got an easement on the north line.

743
00:49:06,642 --> 00:49:12,307
The north line and the south line, are
they both going back to Lot 8?

744
00:49:12,307 --> 00:49:17,151
I think there's got— it's got to do with
the power as well.

745
00:49:17,151 --> 00:49:23,965
You know, you're going to split power and
water in the driveway, and that's just a—

746
00:49:23,965 --> 00:49:28,645
Can we label that as power? Yeah, I'll
label it as power.

747
00:49:28,645 --> 00:49:32,340
That would make more sense. That's all I
got.

748
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:34,811
Okay, thanks, Tracy. Jonathan?

749
00:49:34,811 --> 00:49:40,402
I want to make sure I'm understanding this

750
00:49:40,402 --> 00:49:46,659
correctly. The way I'm seeing it is 9 of
the 13

751
00:49:46,659 --> 00:49:51,585
lots don't have direct road frontage.

752
00:49:51,585 --> 00:49:57,975
Is that correct? 4 of the lots don't have
direct

753
00:49:57,975 --> 00:50:02,768
road frontage. Lots 5, 8, 9, and 11.

754
00:50:02,768 --> 00:50:06,895
You pass through 1 to get to 1.

755
00:50:06,895 --> 00:50:13,503
Thank

756
00:50:13,503 --> 00:50:18,789
you.

757
00:50:20,507 --> 00:50:26,787
Yeah, I guess I'm trying to get more
clarification from staff as well.

758
00:50:26,787 --> 00:50:34,054
Does the— does this have to comply with
the subdivision regulations where you can

759
00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:40,692
only have one driveway per lot, if I'm
understanding that correctly? Okay.

760
00:50:40,692 --> 00:50:43,832
Within the subdivision regulations,

761
00:50:43,832 --> 00:50:49,933
you are allowed an easement to pass
through one to get to one. Only.

762
00:50:49,933 --> 00:50:56,931
So, and there's actually Lot 3 is one of
those that's granting access as well,

763
00:50:56,931 --> 00:51:00,160
or has access granted to it as well.

764
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,171
So just wanted to point that out for
clarification. Yeah, there's 5

765
00:51:06,171 --> 00:51:07,427
clarification. Yeah, there's 5
pass-throughs.

766
00:51:07,427 --> 00:51:14,041
Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

767
00:51:14,041 --> 00:51:16,778
This is a new plan to me.

768
00:51:16,778 --> 00:51:20,719
I'm trying to get my head around it.

769
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:26,960
So you're saying that it does comply with
the subdivision

770
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,762
regulations the way it's submitted? That's
up to you.

771
00:51:32,762 --> 00:51:36,265
Yeah, yeah, I'm not going there.

772
00:51:36,265 --> 00:51:39,988
Based on the way I read it, it is.

773
00:51:39,988 --> 00:51:46,447
But again, I'd take comments y'all have.
That's all I have.

774
00:51:46,447 --> 00:51:50,775
Okay, thanks, Jonathan. Debbie, you have
the floor.

775
00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:55,441
So why would there not be a single road,
interior road,

776
00:51:55,441 --> 00:52:02,315
that these driveways could access instead
of having 9 driveways on a very narrow,

777
00:52:02,315 --> 00:52:08,594
very hilly road that has a lot of blind
curves on it? It's a safety issue.

778
00:52:08,594 --> 00:52:15,382
So is there a thought to maybe making one
driveway for these folks that they can

779
00:52:15,382 --> 00:52:15,976
access?

780
00:52:15,976 --> 00:52:21,866
There's— as you know and you've seen,
there's several different ways we could do

781
00:52:21,866 --> 00:52:22,087
there's several different ways we could do
it.

782
00:52:22,087 --> 00:52:26,431
You know, this is the way we've got it
laid out here today.

783
00:52:26,431 --> 00:52:31,364
I mean, we're not— we are adding 13
residential lots, proposing to,

784
00:52:31,364 --> 00:52:37,254
and so we'll create the traffic from that
and That's one way that could be done.

785
00:52:37,254 --> 00:52:41,745
We're proposing to come off the main road
with this proposal.

786
00:52:41,745 --> 00:52:44,462
I— yeah, I would rather much see one,

787
00:52:44,462 --> 00:52:50,409
one driveway access that led to a feeder
road that they could all use rather than

788
00:52:50,409 --> 00:52:54,814
all of those driveways coming out on that
little windy road.

789
00:52:54,814 --> 00:53:00,835
Just not only for their safety but for the
safety of the other people traveling on

790
00:53:00,835 --> 00:53:06,121
the road. That's a lot of cars, a lot of
traffic on there. So that's it.

791
00:53:06,121 --> 00:53:07,883
Okay, thank you, Debbie.

792
00:53:07,883 --> 00:53:12,729
I know there are other questions and
comments from the commission,

793
00:53:12,729 --> 00:53:15,739
but I would like to turn to our audience.

794
00:53:15,739 --> 00:53:20,658
There are several, several of you that
have signed up this evening,

795
00:53:20,658 --> 00:53:23,302
so I'm going to begin calling names.

796
00:53:23,302 --> 00:53:28,368
When you come up, if you could just state
your name, district number,

797
00:53:28,368 --> 00:53:34,241
make sure you speak into the microphone,
and we will give each person 3 minutes,

798
00:53:34,241 --> 00:53:38,720
please. So I'm going to start with Tate
Foster. Good evening.

799
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,014
Good evening. I'm Tate Foster in District
9 at 2740 East Sheepneck.

800
00:53:43,014 --> 00:53:48,269
And actually, what I'm going to talk about
is the access points and the driveways.

801
00:53:48,269 --> 00:53:51,537
We are right across the road from this
development.

802
00:53:51,537 --> 00:53:56,793
So I'm speaking tonight on behalf of the
residents of East Sheepneck in opposition

803
00:53:56,793 --> 00:54:00,894
to this Ridgeline Reserve concept, and
it's about access points.

804
00:54:00,894 --> 00:54:03,073
I run on that road in the morning.

805
00:54:03,073 --> 00:54:06,918
My 5-year-old son and I run on that road 3
or 4 days a week.

806
00:54:06,918 --> 00:54:08,777
As someone already commented,

807
00:54:08,777 --> 00:54:13,968
it's very windy and you can't see what's
on the other side of the curve or on the

808
00:54:13,968 --> 00:54:17,749
hill, and we wouldn't be doing that
anymore, I don't think,

809
00:54:17,749 --> 00:54:19,736
if there were 9 more driveways.

810
00:54:19,736 --> 00:54:19,979
Thank you.

811
00:54:20,425 --> 00:54:21,847
13 houses right there,

812
00:54:21,847 --> 00:54:26,241
because every driveway creates a place
where something could happen.

813
00:54:26,241 --> 00:54:31,281
A vehicle slows down to turn, maybe they
use their blinker, but it's a country

814
00:54:31,281 --> 00:54:31,604
use their blinker, but it's a country
road,

815
00:54:31,604 --> 00:54:35,416
so maybe they don't. A vehicle stops while
waiting to turn.

816
00:54:35,416 --> 00:54:37,355
Amazon trucks, garbage trucks—

817
00:54:37,355 --> 00:54:42,783
these are all conflict opportunities that
need to be addressed and need to be looked

818
00:54:42,783 --> 00:54:47,694
at. These are 13 opportunities for, for
things that are not currently there.

819
00:54:47,694 --> 00:54:49,891
Um, to, to be there and to happen.

820
00:54:49,891 --> 00:54:54,543
So what happens when we put all of these
driveways together on the road?

821
00:54:54,543 --> 00:54:57,645
Uh, where will each driveway exactly be
located?

822
00:54:57,645 --> 00:55:02,168
Uh, these 9 that are on the, the frontage,
how far apart will they be?

823
00:55:02,168 --> 00:55:05,464
How close will they be to the curve? These
are all—

824
00:55:05,464 --> 00:55:06,828
Off—

825
00:55:06,828 --> 00:55:11,735
Just concerns that I have. As I've already
said, I've got a 5-year-old.

826
00:55:11,735 --> 00:55:16,988
My, my wife and son, we look out our
window and we see these driveways right

827
00:55:16,988 --> 00:55:17,264
window and we see these driveways right
now.

828
00:55:17,264 --> 00:55:20,236
And it's not a pretty sight. It used to
be.

829
00:55:20,236 --> 00:55:25,558
But now we go down and there's these
access points and driveways and culverts

830
00:55:25,558 --> 00:55:25,766
access points and driveways and culverts
and

831
00:55:25,766 --> 00:55:31,018
everything. And so just here to ask and
make sure we do our due diligence on

832
00:55:31,018 --> 00:55:36,824
everything. Federal Highway Administration
access management guidance recognizes the

833
00:55:36,824 --> 00:55:38,759
driveway frequency, spacing,

834
00:55:38,759 --> 00:55:43,113
and sight distance as legitimate Roadway
safety considerations.

835
00:55:43,113 --> 00:55:48,297
I think these are all legitimate roadway
safety considerations to take into

836
00:55:48,297 --> 00:55:48,850
safety considerations to take into
account.

837
00:55:48,850 --> 00:55:51,684
So, once these driveways are constructed,

838
00:55:51,684 --> 00:55:55,139
these access points will be there for a
long time.

839
00:55:55,139 --> 00:55:59,148
That's why the time to evaluate their
impact is right now,

840
00:55:59,148 --> 00:56:02,327
not after the houses and development is
built.

841
00:56:02,327 --> 00:56:06,336
It's before the access points are
approved. So, thank you.

842
00:56:06,336 --> 00:56:10,639
Thank you, Mr. Foster. We did get some
feedback.

843
00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:14,315
There are some people watching us online.

844
00:56:14,315 --> 00:56:20,859
You can watch our meetings on the
internet, and the sound quality is low,

845
00:56:20,859 --> 00:56:24,983
so I'm just going to ask everyone to speak
up.

846
00:56:24,983 --> 00:56:29,287
All the— you know, if you come forward to
speak,

847
00:56:29,287 --> 00:56:36,727
just please make sure you're speaking into
the microphone so everyone can hear you,

848
00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:43,989
please. The next person signed up to speak
is Bart Watley. If I got that correct.

849
00:56:43,989 --> 00:56:50,444
Good evening, sir. Just state your name
and district, please. Thank you.

850
00:56:50,444 --> 00:56:55,749
I'm Bart Watley. I live at 2626 East
Sheepneck Circle, District 9 in Cullioca.

851
00:56:55,749 --> 00:56:57,585
I've lived there since Yes.

852
00:56:57,585 --> 00:57:00,509
I've lived here since '87, almost 40
years,

853
00:57:00,509 --> 00:57:03,297
and I watched it grow and things improve.

854
00:57:03,297 --> 00:57:08,670
And y'all blacktopped the road about 20
years ago, which was a big improvement.

855
00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:13,567
It was so dusty, just a one-lane road,
really. It's a very crooked road.

856
00:57:13,567 --> 00:57:16,219
It's got some deep drop-offs, no curbs,

857
00:57:16,219 --> 00:57:19,483
and the said driveways we've been talking
about,

858
00:57:19,483 --> 00:57:24,108
they Come off of a hill and a little
gravel and right into the road,

859
00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:27,848
and there's really not enough room to make
a good turn.

860
00:57:27,848 --> 00:57:32,133
So something's got to be done if it goes
through with the road.

861
00:57:32,133 --> 00:57:34,649
Water lines, I don't know about that,

862
00:57:34,649 --> 00:57:38,321
but I think they're right down the middle
of the road,

863
00:57:38,321 --> 00:57:43,558
and I think that's got to be improved.
Should have a fire hydrant down there.

864
00:57:43,558 --> 00:57:48,319
A lot of things going to be done to make
it compatible, I would think.

865
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:53,419
But one driveway would be the most
important thing, like most subdivisions.

866
00:57:53,419 --> 00:57:56,548
And that way you're dealing with one
driveway.

867
00:57:56,548 --> 00:58:01,852
You can have— you can have turn lanes and
so forth, and that would improve it.

868
00:58:01,852 --> 00:58:06,069
The big thing, though, I've lived there 40
years, like I said,

869
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:11,169
and people go there and they spend
hundreds of thousands of dollars just to

870
00:58:11,169 --> 00:58:11,713
hundreds of thousands of dollars just to
get in a

871
00:58:11,713 --> 00:58:17,222
rural area so they don't have to deal with
the traffic and a lot of neighbors and

872
00:58:17,222 --> 00:58:20,078
things. And, and so this is kind of going—

873
00:58:20,078 --> 00:58:23,411
disrupting what we expect out of Sheep
Neck Road.

874
00:58:23,411 --> 00:58:28,035
And I put a business in there myself,
Watley and Sons Trust Company,

875
00:58:28,035 --> 00:58:31,096
about 30 years ago and had it there 25
years.

876
00:58:31,096 --> 00:58:36,740
And I had to jump through hoops for over a
year to make it compatible with the area

877
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:40,685
and the neighbors and work with them and
work with County,

878
00:58:40,685 --> 00:58:43,813
and there was plenty of attention drawn to
it.

879
00:58:43,813 --> 00:58:48,846
And we had a trust company there, and
people that lived up Sheepneck Road,

880
00:58:48,846 --> 00:58:52,654
some of them didn't ever know we had one
there, I think,

881
00:58:52,654 --> 00:58:54,558
because it was out of sight.

882
00:58:54,558 --> 00:58:59,523
You couldn't hear it hardly, trees, you
couldn't see it. We respected the

883
00:58:59,523 --> 00:59:00,203
couldn't see it. We respected the
neighbors.

884
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:04,759
And then when we shut it down, it was back
to the private citizens.

885
00:59:04,759 --> 00:59:07,548
There's a couple with 3 kids have it now.

886
00:59:07,548 --> 00:59:11,628
There's good people on Sheepneck Road and
they are tolerant,

887
00:59:11,628 --> 00:59:14,961
but this right here is just pushing the
envelope.

888
00:59:14,961 --> 00:59:20,129
And it's— more houses would go in there
than I've seen in 40 years, I think,

889
00:59:20,129 --> 00:59:21,693
would go back in there.

890
00:59:21,693 --> 00:59:26,386
And I just think that these things need to
be really thought through.

891
00:59:26,386 --> 00:59:27,474
Thank you a lot.

892
00:59:27,474 --> 00:59:30,278
Thank you, Mr. Watley.

893
00:59:30,278 --> 00:59:31,703
I appreciate the commission.

894
00:59:31,703 --> 00:59:35,013
I wouldn't want to be in your position
with all the growth today.

895
00:59:35,013 --> 00:59:37,609
Robert's position, for one. But we're
growing fast.

896
00:59:37,609 --> 00:59:40,766
And one thing I didn't mention, you can
get the water line in,

897
00:59:40,766 --> 00:59:44,533
but we don't have the water. We don't have
the water for new subdivisions.

898
00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:45,042
Thank you.

899
00:59:45,042 --> 00:59:49,410
Thank you, Mr. Watley. Don Barnett.

900
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:54,238
Don Barnett. I live at 2632 Double Branch
Road.

901
00:59:54,238 --> 01:00:00,812
I will be talking about development on
Double Branch because the

902
01:00:00,812 --> 01:00:07,284
Double Branch developer is the same one
that's on the Ridgeline

903
01:00:07,284 --> 01:00:09,705
project. Is that okay?

904
01:00:12,705 --> 01:00:13,611
No? Okay. No, no.

905
01:00:13,611 --> 01:00:16,312
Because I'm talking about the developer.

906
01:00:16,312 --> 01:00:18,489
No, sir. So the way our comments,

907
01:00:18,489 --> 01:00:21,986
per what I mentioned at the beginning of
our meeting,

908
01:00:21,986 --> 01:00:25,285
we have public comment on items. So you
signed up.

909
01:00:26,087 --> 01:00:28,496
Can I speak then at the very end of the
meeting?

910
01:00:28,496 --> 01:00:30,253
We have open comment, public.

911
01:00:30,253 --> 01:00:34,737
You can speak on any item at the end of
the meeting that is an open public

912
01:00:34,737 --> 01:00:35,222
the meeting that is an open public
comment.

913
01:00:35,222 --> 01:00:39,571
I do think it's very relevant to your
decision process around Ridgeline.

914
01:00:39,571 --> 01:00:42,206
Yeah, we're just talking about this
particular development now, sir.

915
01:00:42,206 --> 01:00:42,578
I understand.

916
01:00:42,578 --> 01:00:42,917
Thank you.

917
01:00:42,917 --> 01:00:43,451
Thank you.

918
01:00:43,451 --> 01:00:48,917
The next person, I have Jordan. Sorry,
Jordan, I can't read your last name.

919
01:00:48,917 --> 01:00:54,238
You write like my husband, so. What is
your— if you just state your name.

920
01:00:54,238 --> 01:00:55,663
Jordan Rauden, District 9.

921
01:00:55,663 --> 01:00:57,417
I do not live on East Sheepneck,

922
01:00:57,417 --> 01:01:01,692
but I've had the pleasure of getting to
know some of the folks that do live on

923
01:01:01,692 --> 01:01:01,912
know some of the folks that do live on
East

924
01:01:01,912 --> 01:01:06,187
Sheepneck, and which means I've had an
opportunity to drive out there a couple

925
01:01:06,187 --> 01:01:09,914
times. And, uh, yeah, you know, um, I
think if I did the math right,

926
01:01:09,914 --> 01:01:13,806
there's currently, if you exclude the
extra parcels that are coming up,

927
01:01:13,806 --> 01:01:15,395
35 parcels on East Sheepneck.

928
01:01:15,395 --> 01:01:19,177
So that's a 37% increase in, in density
out there on that small road.

929
01:01:19,177 --> 01:01:22,301
And that road itself, we've already
acknowledged tonight,

930
01:01:22,301 --> 01:01:25,700
is substandard for what you're trying to
accomplish out there,

931
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:29,153
or what the developer is trying to
accomplish. That's not okay.

932
01:01:29,153 --> 01:01:32,661
It's not okay to let this go forward
without having real issues—

933
01:01:32,661 --> 01:01:36,826
these things resolved and accounted for
in, in what's being brought forward.

934
01:01:36,826 --> 01:01:40,280
That's 12. That's, that's, you know, we've
got this small road,

935
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,445
we've got no shoulder, we've got These
driveways that can— can a fire truck—

936
01:01:44,445 --> 01:01:47,241
how does a fire truck even work in those
driveways?

937
01:01:47,241 --> 01:01:51,571
Can it get 7 acres down to get to those
back lots and take care of folks on the

938
01:01:51,571 --> 01:01:51,790
back lots and take care of folks on the
back

939
01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:54,750
lots? And once it's down there, how's it
getting back?

940
01:01:54,750 --> 01:01:57,655
Is it backing up 7 acres to get back onto
Sheep Neck?

941
01:01:57,655 --> 01:02:00,889
There's a lot— it's a lot of stuff here
doesn't make sense.

942
01:02:00,889 --> 01:02:04,342
I appreciated the recommendation for a
singular entrance point.

943
01:02:04,342 --> 01:02:08,781
But on that note, has anybody considered
the amount of traffic that this is going

944
01:02:08,781 --> 01:02:08,891
the amount of traffic that this is going
to

945
01:02:08,891 --> 01:02:12,563
do? We've talked about it tonight. Y'all
have mentioned it tonight.

946
01:02:12,563 --> 01:02:14,537
But has anybody done a quantitative,

947
01:02:14,537 --> 01:02:18,373
numerical look at what this will do
traffic-wise. It's farm community.

948
01:02:18,373 --> 01:02:21,827
You've got tractors, you've got ATVs,
you've got four-wheelers,

949
01:02:21,827 --> 01:02:25,609
you've got people running and walking.
That's already been mentioned.

950
01:02:25,609 --> 01:02:29,116
So this is not a cool approach. You've got
to take care of this.

951
01:02:29,116 --> 01:02:32,515
This has to be addressed. The line of
sight is a real concern.

952
01:02:32,515 --> 01:02:36,077
We've heard already about the curves and
the hills, the S-curves.

953
01:02:36,077 --> 01:02:39,531
You've got new driveways that are going to
run up against that.

954
01:02:39,531 --> 01:02:41,668
It's going to add dangerous situations.

955
01:02:41,668 --> 01:02:44,244
Tonight we've had a question asked about
these,

956
01:02:44,244 --> 01:02:48,574
these driveways and whether or not we can
have multiple lots with one driveway.

957
01:02:48,574 --> 01:02:52,082
And honestly, I was not comfortable with
the decision from that.

958
01:02:52,082 --> 01:02:56,193
This body should have an answer to whether
or not that's acceptable and say

959
01:02:56,193 --> 01:03:00,030
objectively this works or this doesn't
work. And we need to hear that.

960
01:03:00,030 --> 01:03:04,470
And then ultimately construction itself is
going to massively disrupt this You've

961
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:06,936
got this smaller road, less substantial
road,

962
01:03:06,936 --> 01:03:11,266
and you're going to have the dump trucks
and the diggers and the front loaders,

963
01:03:11,266 --> 01:03:13,568
all the things my 6-year-old loves to see,

964
01:03:13,568 --> 01:03:17,241
is going to be on there disrupting traffic
and tearing up the road.

965
01:03:17,241 --> 01:03:21,681
So I think there's a lot more work that
needs to be done before this can be moved

966
01:03:21,681 --> 01:03:22,119
forward.

967
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:35,352
That's it. Thank you, sir. Mathew Fuhrman.

968
01:03:38,352 --> 01:03:41,789
My name is Matt Fuhrman, 3134 Sheep Neck
Road, District 9.

969
01:03:41,789 --> 01:03:45,285
My family and I are absolutely opposed to
this development.

970
01:03:45,285 --> 01:03:50,204
As you've heard, the proposed subdivision
would add 13 new driveway conflict points

971
01:03:50,204 --> 01:03:54,708
and potentially 70 to 120 additional
vehicle movements every day on a narrow

972
01:03:54,708 --> 01:03:55,004
vehicle movements every day on a narrow
rural

973
01:03:55,004 --> 01:03:57,552
agricultural road with a dangerous
S-curve.

974
01:03:57,552 --> 01:04:00,989
I said, in addition to this, I'm going to
keep this short.

975
01:04:00,989 --> 01:04:02,589
I wanted to make it longer,

976
01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:07,152
but I don't think that the county and
representatives of the taxpayers should

977
01:04:07,152 --> 01:04:07,508
representatives of the taxpayers should
reward

978
01:04:07,508 --> 01:04:09,048
folks who have apparently—

979
01:04:09,048 --> 01:04:13,374
who have and apparently continue to
attempt to skirt the law for personal

980
01:04:13,374 --> 01:04:13,671
attempt to skirt the law for personal
gain.

981
01:04:13,671 --> 01:04:14,678
These developers.

982
01:04:14,678 --> 01:04:17,044
Thank you, sir. Catherine Corden.

983
01:04:17,044 --> 01:04:20,916
My name is Katherine Cordon, and I live in
District 7.

984
01:04:20,916 --> 01:04:26,939
And the reason I'm here is because all of
this growth is really disturbing to what's

985
01:04:26,939 --> 01:04:32,675
happening to these developers that are
coming up and tearing up our farmland and

986
01:04:32,675 --> 01:04:35,543
putting in 13 homes here, 82 homes here.

987
01:04:35,543 --> 01:04:41,351
And I just wonder if there is a 5-year
plan for this county that will address the

988
01:04:41,351 --> 01:04:45,079
water The schools, the police, the fire
departments.

989
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:50,958
I mean, these are true concerns for all of
your constituents that are saying no to

990
01:04:50,958 --> 01:04:56,479
any more development till we look at a
5-year plan. What does that look like?

991
01:04:56,479 --> 01:04:59,849
We can't just keep approving more
subdivisions.

992
01:04:59,849 --> 01:05:04,366
It's just ruining the whole landscape of
this beautiful county.

993
01:05:04,366 --> 01:05:10,389
And I just ask you to please listen to the
people whose hearts are bleeding as their

994
01:05:10,389 --> 01:05:13,401
farmlands and the homes that they live in,

995
01:05:13,401 --> 01:05:18,850
the places that they raise their families
are just being destroyed by greed.

996
01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:22,865
And these developers come in here under a
shell company,

997
01:05:22,865 --> 01:05:28,601
and then they turn the land into something
that it wasn't proposed to you to be.

998
01:05:28,601 --> 01:05:34,481
So I just ask you to take a really hard
look at these developers who's come in and

999
01:05:34,481 --> 01:05:40,288
what their plan is, and really understand
the full impact for the next 5 years on

1000
01:05:40,288 --> 01:05:44,519
Murray County, because we live here and we
love this place.

1001
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:49,896
So I just ask you to please listen to the
people who are here this evening.

1002
01:05:49,896 --> 01:05:53,553
Thank you. God bless you. Thank you.
Dustin Kittle.

1003
01:05:53,553 --> 01:05:59,160
Dustin Kittle, District 6, and I'm also
going to be speaking on behalf of Brian,

1004
01:05:59,160 --> 01:05:59,370
going to be speaking on behalf of Brian,
uh,

1005
01:05:59,370 --> 01:06:03,015
Easterly And Taylor Easterly, who are in
District 9.

1006
01:06:03,015 --> 01:06:07,150
And there's kind of a threshold issue that
somehow— I mean,

1007
01:06:07,150 --> 01:06:09,813
you would think on this one that this,

1008
01:06:09,813 --> 01:06:15,140
this particular subdivision will go down
in Murray County history as being a

1009
01:06:15,140 --> 01:06:15,630
in Murray County history as being a
turning

1010
01:06:15,630 --> 01:06:20,046
point, because it's the one that we
figured out that we've been

1011
01:06:20,046 --> 01:06:21,447
figured out that we've been
misinterpreting what

1012
01:06:21,447 --> 01:06:25,162
the subdivision rules require for who
knows how long.

1013
01:06:25,162 --> 01:06:28,386
And I would bet if I drove around this
county,

1014
01:06:28,386 --> 01:06:33,362
there have been a lot of subdivisions that
did not go before this body.

1015
01:06:33,362 --> 01:06:38,408
And that's not the Planning Commission's
fault. It's the county's fault.

1016
01:06:38,408 --> 01:06:41,982
And I think at this point we're
interpreting right—

1017
01:06:41,982 --> 01:06:45,977
interpreting it right to where even if
it's over 5 acres,

1018
01:06:45,977 --> 01:06:51,724
if it is a subdivision and it meets the
qualifications for it under Tennessee law,

1019
01:06:51,724 --> 01:06:55,930
it has to go before this body. And that
makes perfect sense.

1020
01:06:55,930 --> 01:07:01,466
So I had confidence that maybe we were
going to start interpreting things right

1021
01:07:01,466 --> 01:07:07,073
until I realized that we did not even get
right the fact they don't even own all

1022
01:07:07,073 --> 01:07:12,960
this land. I'm speaking on behalf of Brian
Easterly, and I have his deed right here.

1023
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,516
Brian Easterly owns Lot 6 because they've
already sold it to him.

1024
01:07:17,516 --> 01:07:23,123
And so it's a violation of Tennessee law
for this to have even been presented to

1025
01:07:23,123 --> 01:07:27,608
this Planning Commission tonight. It
requires unified ownership.

1026
01:07:27,608 --> 01:07:31,744
And we did a public records request and we
got information,

1027
01:07:31,744 --> 01:07:36,860
and that question was asked to them
specifically. I believe it was by Mr.

1028
01:07:36,860 --> 01:07:39,593
Muhammad, asked them, do you own Lot 6?

1029
01:07:39,593 --> 01:07:45,480
And I don't see any reference back as far
as them indicating, no, we don't own that.

1030
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:51,298
And it's very clear in Tennessee law that
the only way they could bring this before

1031
01:07:51,298 --> 01:07:53,190
this body would be with Mr.

1032
01:07:53,190 --> 01:07:54,592
Easterly's approval,

1033
01:07:54,592 --> 01:08:00,409
particularly given the fact that also what
they're requiring or what they're asking

1034
01:08:00,409 --> 01:08:04,614
this body to do is to void a prior plat
that has been filed.

1035
01:08:04,614 --> 01:08:09,800
And this is just an example of how a
simple mistake could create chaos for

1036
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:10,431
simple mistake could create chaos for
people in

1037
01:08:10,431 --> 01:08:13,164
the county. Mr. Easterly has financing.

1038
01:08:13,164 --> 01:08:17,440
He has a deed that is tied to a prior plat
that's been filed.

1039
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:21,575
One of the things that's interesting is
they filed 2 plats.

1040
01:08:21,575 --> 01:08:26,761
They only reference to this body that
there's only— that there's one plat.

1041
01:08:26,761 --> 01:08:30,546
Tennessee law requires if you're going to
void a plat,

1042
01:08:30,546 --> 01:08:33,349
you've got to have all owners' approval.

1043
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:38,956
So if they would have got this planning
commission to have approved this tonight

1044
01:08:38,956 --> 01:08:39,166
commission to have approved this tonight
and

1045
01:08:39,166 --> 01:08:43,161
voided that prior plat, it could have
actually voided Mr.

1046
01:08:43,161 --> 01:08:47,927
Easterly's deed and his financing. And he
was never told about this.

1047
01:08:47,927 --> 01:08:49,609
And as, as you all know,

1048
01:08:49,609 --> 01:08:55,356
you had authorization to go on all of this
property to look at it. Well, they did.

1049
01:08:55,356 --> 01:08:59,071
They gave that authorization. They don't
even own it.

1050
01:08:59,071 --> 01:09:04,748
And there's even another defect that's
almost just inconceivable in the fact that

1051
01:09:04,748 --> 01:09:10,004
they listed the owner as being a Mr.
Blackmon when he's not even the owner.

1052
01:09:10,004 --> 01:09:14,139
It's Cedar Grove Partners. So they don't
own all this land.

1053
01:09:14,139 --> 01:09:18,905
It'd be a violation of Tennessee law for
this to even be considered.

1054
01:09:18,905 --> 01:09:23,601
And my recommendation would be for this
application to be rejected.

1055
01:09:23,601 --> 01:09:26,124
May I have an additional 15 seconds?

1056
01:09:26,124 --> 01:09:27,666
Yes. Finish your thought, please, Destin.

1057
01:09:27,666 --> 01:09:30,874
It, it would be a violation for this to go
forward.

1058
01:09:30,874 --> 01:09:33,265
My recommendation, and I would ask Ms.

1059
01:09:33,265 --> 01:09:37,543
Ransom to have this application withdrawn,
require it to be refiled.

1060
01:09:37,543 --> 01:09:42,136
And part of the reason that I think it was
filed early is new subdivision

1061
01:09:42,136 --> 01:09:45,659
regulations went into— went into place on
July the 20th.

1062
01:09:45,659 --> 01:09:48,112
This was filed earlier that same month.

1063
01:09:48,112 --> 01:09:49,811
If they get vesting rights,

1064
01:09:49,811 --> 01:09:54,466
then all of a sudden they don't have to do
these soil studies and the more

1065
01:09:54,466 --> 01:09:58,870
scrutinized water studies. I think they
presented this for one reason.

1066
01:09:58,870 --> 01:10:00,317
That was to avoid that.

1067
01:10:00,317 --> 01:10:03,588
I would reject the application, make them
refile it,

1068
01:10:03,588 --> 01:10:05,790
but there's no way this body could,

1069
01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:10,131
could consider it tonight in anything
other than a denial. Thank you.

1070
01:10:10,131 --> 01:10:14,186
Thank you. Yeah, go ahead, Kristi, you
have the floor.

1071
01:10:14,186 --> 01:10:18,616
So, I mean, Dustin's right— I'm sorry, Mr.
Kittle is right.

1072
01:10:18,616 --> 01:10:23,046
Um, the zoning ordinance, even not talking
about state law,

1073
01:10:23,046 --> 01:10:28,753
the zoning ordinance says that there are
only certain people who can present

1074
01:10:28,753 --> 01:10:34,911
applications. So if the property owners
haven't all consented to considering this,

1075
01:10:34,911 --> 01:10:40,617
then it's not properly before And you
can't take action on it at this point.

1076
01:10:40,617 --> 01:10:44,822
So I need to take a look at our
procedures, but if they—

1077
01:10:44,822 --> 01:10:50,229
and I assume they've closed on it, Dustin.
It's like straight up theirs.

1078
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:52,106
They own it. It's closed.

1079
01:10:52,106 --> 01:10:53,793
Can I have a copy of the deed?

1080
01:10:53,793 --> 01:10:56,756
No, that's okay. I trust you. I knew there
was a contract on it.

1081
01:10:56,756 --> 01:10:58,423
I wasn't sure whether it had closed.

1082
01:10:58,423 --> 01:11:00,658
It did close about—

1083
01:11:00,658 --> 01:11:03,006
A while ago? Okay. Okay. Okay.

1084
01:11:03,006 --> 01:11:09,503
So yeah, you can't apply for an action on
a property that you don't own without the

1085
01:11:09,503 --> 01:11:11,851
consent of the property owner.

1086
01:11:11,851 --> 01:11:17,017
So, I mean, you might want to take the
rest of the public comment.

1087
01:11:17,017 --> 01:11:22,027
You know, I'm not suggesting that you shut
everything down, but—

1088
01:11:22,027 --> 01:11:26,410
and I need a minute I'm going to look at
the procedures.

1089
01:11:26,410 --> 01:11:32,281
So, I mean, it would probably be helpful
to the developer should they bring

1090
01:11:32,281 --> 01:11:38,465
something back without this Lot 6 to get
the rest of the concerns and comments.

1091
01:11:38,465 --> 01:11:44,414
Because as I said, a concept plan, it's
really— it's not a vesting document.

1092
01:11:44,414 --> 01:11:46,449
That's a preliminary plat.

1093
01:11:46,449 --> 01:11:52,241
But it is for you all to share your
comments and concerns so that they can

1094
01:11:52,241 --> 01:11:52,946
comments and concerns so that they can
take that

1095
01:11:52,946 --> 01:11:53,337
back.

1096
01:11:53,337 --> 01:11:53,481
Yes.

1097
01:11:54,047 --> 01:11:58,466
in deciding how to move forward with any
kind of proposal.

1098
01:11:58,466 --> 01:12:02,809
So I'll let y'all proceed while I look at
the procedures.

1099
01:12:02,809 --> 01:12:07,381
And Dustin, I appreciate you bringing that
to our attention.

1100
01:12:07,381 --> 01:12:11,191
Next time, call me the afternoon so I can
prepare,

1101
01:12:11,191 --> 01:12:21,644
but I appreciate you bringing that to our
attention. Thank you. Thank you, Kristi.

1102
01:12:24,644 --> 01:12:29,896
Theresa Sparks.

1103
01:12:29,896 --> 01:12:33,817
Theresa Sparks, District 9. I also live on
Sheep Neck.

1104
01:12:33,817 --> 01:12:39,625
I've been speaking about this project for
over a year, and we have raised legal,

1105
01:12:39,625 --> 01:12:41,803
which you just heard, ethical,

1106
01:12:41,803 --> 01:12:46,304
and public safety concerns about
surrounding this subdivision.

1107
01:12:46,304 --> 01:12:50,515
Tonight I want to focus on primarily the
ethical concerns,

1108
01:12:50,515 --> 01:12:54,581
and you're going to hear more about the
safety concerns.

1109
01:12:54,581 --> 01:12:57,921
These concerns started with a simple
question:

1110
01:12:57,921 --> 01:13:03,294
how could approximately 82 acres be
divided into as many as 16 5-acre lots

1111
01:13:03,294 --> 01:13:03,802
divided into as many as 16 5-acre lots
with no

1112
01:13:03,802 --> 01:13:07,795
oversight from the Regional Planning
Commission at all?

1113
01:13:07,795 --> 01:13:12,078
It simply didn't add up, so we began
researching state law,

1114
01:13:12,078 --> 01:13:17,379
ultimately questioning whether this
development should be classified as a

1115
01:13:17,379 --> 01:13:21,590
subdivision, primarily due to the
infrastructure triggers.

1116
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:24,857
That's state law, regardless of the lot
size.

1117
01:13:24,857 --> 01:13:30,375
On February 26th, Humble Law submitted a
legal memo to the Regional Planning

1118
01:13:30,375 --> 01:13:34,658
Commission concluding that this project
should be, in fact,

1119
01:13:34,658 --> 01:13:36,691
classified as a subdivision.

1120
01:13:36,691 --> 01:13:41,047
And then, Kristi, thank you for— I mean,
this is a detailed,

1121
01:13:41,047 --> 01:13:47,146
detailed document also agreeing with that
Kristi wrote agreeing with Humble Law that

1122
01:13:47,146 --> 01:13:51,357
the development is subject to the
subdivision regulations.

1123
01:13:51,357 --> 01:13:56,221
Yet the concept plan before you this
evening, as you heard earlier,

1124
01:13:56,221 --> 01:13:59,779
does not comply with the subdivision
regulations.

1125
01:13:59,779 --> 01:14:03,699
And the concern does not end with East
Sheepneck Road.

1126
01:14:03,699 --> 01:14:09,145
We have examined another development
involving the same developer on Double

1127
01:14:09,145 --> 01:14:09,653
involving the same developer on Double
Branch.

1128
01:14:09,653 --> 01:14:14,299
And this is important because We know that
in a records request,

1129
01:14:14,299 --> 01:14:20,035
even though we were told Double Branch is
not— does not meet the same criteria,

1130
01:14:20,035 --> 01:14:24,609
it does. And those record requests are
available. We have them.

1131
01:14:24,609 --> 01:14:28,748
And so here's the point that ties it into
East Sheepneck.

1132
01:14:28,748 --> 01:14:34,338
Double Branch is a public safety concern.
Several residents still lack water.

1133
01:14:34,338 --> 01:14:34,468
Yes.

1134
01:14:34,906 --> 01:14:38,482
And they've had— at least one has had to
dig a new well.

1135
01:14:38,482 --> 01:14:41,995
Let's not repeat those same mistakes on
East Sheepneck.

1136
01:14:41,995 --> 01:14:46,146
That's why it ties in, because if this
happened on Double Branch,

1137
01:14:46,146 --> 01:14:48,190
it can happen on East Sheepneck.

1138
01:14:48,190 --> 01:14:52,852
It's the same developer and they're
pulling the same shenanigans over and

1139
01:14:52,852 --> 01:14:53,171
pulling the same shenanigans over and
over.

1140
01:14:53,171 --> 01:14:57,833
You can't build a subdivision and say, oh,
the water's coming, wink wink,

1141
01:14:57,833 --> 01:15:02,176
the water's coming, and then say that
people are going to dig wells.

1142
01:15:02,176 --> 01:15:05,433
Do you think Mr. Easterly Hill here wants
13 wells?

1143
01:15:05,433 --> 01:15:05,529
Yes.

1144
01:15:06,283 --> 01:15:11,362
dug around his, that's going to compromise
his water source.

1145
01:15:11,362 --> 01:15:13,816
So I'm asking you tonight to—

1146
01:15:13,816 --> 01:15:20,419
respectfully asking you to apply those
regulations fully and deny this concept

1147
01:15:20,419 --> 01:15:26,090
plan and this and the entire subdivision
and not let it go forward.

1148
01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:32,439
So we, we can see what's happened on
Double Branch will be repeated on East

1149
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:33,285
Sheepneck.

1150
01:15:33,285 --> 01:15:34,435
Thank you.

1151
01:15:34,435 --> 01:15:35,953
Thank you. Bree Foster.

1152
01:15:35,953 --> 01:15:40,770
Hi, my name is Bree Foster and I live at
2740 East Sheepneck in Collioca.

1153
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:45,587
Chairman and commissioners, my concern
tonight is very specific— the site

1154
01:15:45,587 --> 01:15:46,181
tonight is very specific— the site
distance.

1155
01:15:46,181 --> 01:15:49,282
You've heard it already tonight multiple
times.

1156
01:15:49,282 --> 01:15:54,165
Our road contains an S-curve, and my
family and I live directly behind it.

1157
01:15:54,165 --> 01:15:59,577
Just last week, I was coming home from the
grocery store with my 5-year-old in the

1158
01:15:59,577 --> 01:16:02,018
back seat, buckled into his car seat,

1159
01:16:02,018 --> 01:16:05,779
when a Mack truck was within feet of
smashing us head-on.

1160
01:16:05,779 --> 01:16:08,881
The driver was speeding to a concerning
degree,

1161
01:16:08,881 --> 01:16:12,444
and had I not been driving defensively and
cautiously,

1162
01:16:12,444 --> 01:16:17,855
You might not be seeing my face right here
tonight because I might be on the news.

1163
01:16:17,855 --> 01:16:22,870
A potentially fatal accident almost
happened within feet of my own property.

1164
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:27,621
Curves matter because they limit how far a
driver can see ahead of them.

1165
01:16:27,621 --> 01:16:32,703
Imagine traveling through our curve and
encountering a vehicle that slowed or

1166
01:16:32,703 --> 01:16:37,454
stopped to turn into one of these brand
new driveways that are proposed.

1167
01:16:37,454 --> 01:16:42,667
A UPS truck delivering mail, a school bus,
or a tractor pulling farm equipment.

1168
01:16:42,667 --> 01:16:45,174
Now consider the opposite perspective.

1169
01:16:45,174 --> 01:16:50,453
A resident pulling out of one of these 13
driveways needs to be able to see that

1170
01:16:50,453 --> 01:16:55,469
they have roadway clearance on either side
before continuing safely into the

1171
01:16:55,469 --> 01:17:00,616
roadway. This isn't something we should be
guessing about. It can be measured.

1172
01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:05,697
Maury County's roadway and drainage
technical standards contain minimal sight

1173
01:17:05,697 --> 01:17:10,316
distance values that are based on the
current roadway classifications.

1174
01:17:10,316 --> 01:17:12,230
According to those standards,

1175
01:17:12,230 --> 01:17:17,113
the minimum The required distance
referenced in the county materials for a

1176
01:17:17,113 --> 01:17:17,443
referenced in the county materials for a
minor

1177
01:17:17,443 --> 01:17:21,402
local road are 150 feet, 250 feet for a
local road, and 450—

1178
01:17:21,402 --> 01:17:23,382
400 feet for a collector road.

1179
01:17:23,382 --> 01:17:27,209
So I have several very simple and basic
questions for you.

1180
01:17:27,209 --> 01:17:30,244
What's the official classification of my
road?

1181
01:17:30,244 --> 01:17:34,138
What is the required site distance for
that classification?

1182
01:17:34,138 --> 01:17:35,523
And most importantly,

1183
01:17:35,523 --> 01:17:40,736
what is the actual measured site distance
at each of these 13 proposed driveway

1184
01:17:40,736 --> 01:17:43,640
locations? I'm not asking for a
guesstimate.

1185
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,015
I'm asking for an exact measurement,

1186
01:17:46,015 --> 01:17:50,833
and if a qualified professional has
actually evaluated the sight distance

1187
01:17:50,833 --> 01:17:51,295
actually evaluated the sight distance
through

1188
01:17:51,295 --> 01:17:56,178
and around that S-curve. These are
objective questions that have objective

1189
01:17:56,178 --> 01:17:56,706
objective questions that have objective
answers.

1190
01:17:56,706 --> 01:18:01,193
If the driveway meets the appropriate
standard, then demonstrate it.

1191
01:18:01,193 --> 01:18:03,304
But if we don't know if they do,

1192
01:18:03,304 --> 01:18:08,319
then we shouldn't permanently create 13
new access points first and then ask

1193
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:10,959
questions later. Measure the conditions.

1194
01:18:10,959 --> 01:18:11,167
Thank you.

1195
01:18:11,472 --> 01:18:17,118
Apply the standards. The lives of us
living on East Sheep Neck might depend

1196
01:18:17,118 --> 01:18:17,720
living on East Sheep Neck might depend
upon it.

1197
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,129
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1198
01:18:20,129 --> 01:18:23,441
And I have, um, if anybody'd like to see
it,

1199
01:18:23,441 --> 01:18:29,388
I have photos of all these access points.
And just if anybody'd like to see it.

1200
01:18:29,388 --> 01:18:35,685
John Sparks.

1201
01:18:38,685 --> 01:18:45,738
You get to hear from another Sparks other
than Theresa Sparks, so you're welcome.

1202
01:18:45,738 --> 01:18:47,989
Sir, if you— if when you come to the
podium,

1203
01:18:47,989 --> 01:18:51,365
if you could just state your name and
district, please. Thank you.

1204
01:18:51,365 --> 01:18:54,876
John Sparks, District 9.

1205
01:18:54,876 --> 01:19:02,483
I have 2 letters to submit that are in
opposition to

1206
01:19:02,483 --> 01:19:07,749
this development, and I'll be short.

1207
01:19:07,749 --> 01:19:11,698
Can I give this to someone?

1208
01:19:11,698 --> 01:19:17,550
I'm kind of the patriarch of the family,

1209
01:19:17,550 --> 01:19:23,109
and the safety of all my grandkids, 5,

1210
01:19:23,109 --> 01:19:30,569
and all my kids were privileged to live on
the same

1211
01:19:30,569 --> 01:19:37,883
road. Not a lot of families have that
opportunity,

1212
01:19:37,883 --> 01:19:45,490
but We have it. And can you imagine having
this kind

1213
01:19:45,490 --> 01:19:52,804
of mess ruining what you've invested a lot
of time

1214
01:19:52,804 --> 01:19:58,509
and energy and money? I love my family.

1215
01:19:58,509 --> 01:20:01,874
This is a safety issue.

1216
01:20:01,874 --> 01:20:09,627
I wish you would consider the safety part
of this and

1217
01:20:09,627 --> 01:20:14,454
deny this development. Thank you.

1218
01:20:14,454 --> 01:20:22,809
Thank you, sir. Chris Gramling.

1219
01:20:25,809 --> 01:20:28,290
Hi everyone, Chris Gramling, District 9.

1220
01:20:28,290 --> 01:20:30,585
Um, I prepared, uh, uh, uh, comments,

1221
01:20:30,585 --> 01:20:35,547
but I'm going to have to go off script
because I don't want to be shut down, uh,

1222
01:20:35,547 --> 01:20:40,136
for talking about other things. So I'm
just going to speak from the heart.

1223
01:20:40,136 --> 01:20:43,176
Um, this is vile and disgusting what's
happening.

1224
01:20:43,176 --> 01:20:48,137
Every person here in this room needs to go
out to East Sheep Neck and see what's

1225
01:20:48,137 --> 01:20:50,432
been done. We've talked about safety.

1226
01:20:50,432 --> 01:20:55,270
They've already had a trailer fall off the
road in one of their new driveways.

1227
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:58,309
They just went ahead, thought they'd skip
by you.

1228
01:20:58,309 --> 01:20:59,612
They had an attorney,

1229
01:20:59,612 --> 01:21:04,574
and they just thought that apparently that
part of the law didn't apply to them.

1230
01:21:04,574 --> 01:21:08,791
I find that hard to believe, that you've
got an attorney and a team,

1231
01:21:08,791 --> 01:21:11,210
they're doing this all over the county,

1232
01:21:11,210 --> 01:21:16,048
and they don't realize what the triggers
for subdivision are. What disrespect.

1233
01:21:16,048 --> 01:21:19,893
To you. And this— some of the people on
this side of the room,

1234
01:21:19,893 --> 01:21:23,057
I'm deeply upset with you. I'm deeply
disappointed.

1235
01:21:23,057 --> 01:21:28,080
Why do I need to hire an attorney, spend a
year of my life, 40 hours plus a week,

1236
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:32,112
trying to protect what I've spent my
entire life trying to build,

1237
01:21:32,112 --> 01:21:36,950
to get you guys to recognize the law and
do the right thing? It's, it's gross.

1238
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:41,353
It's morally reprehensible what's
happening. We're a farming community.

1239
01:21:41,353 --> 01:21:45,199
This thing is developed with those lots
for a specific reason.

1240
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:49,540
The, the engineer comes up and says, oh,
well, this is our first plan.

1241
01:21:49,540 --> 01:21:52,394
That's obviously developed for financial
gain.

1242
01:21:52,394 --> 01:21:56,487
And they do it rinse and repeat, not only
throughout Maury County,

1243
01:21:56,487 --> 01:21:58,968
it's all over southern middle Tennessee.

1244
01:21:59,353 --> 01:22:01,137
This same exact developer.

1245
01:22:01,137 --> 01:22:05,831
There's controversy everywhere they go.
Upset buyers, upset neighbors.

1246
01:22:05,831 --> 01:22:09,318
You've got ethics complaints about public
officials.

1247
01:22:09,318 --> 01:22:13,073
This is bigger than the myopia of what
we're looking at.

1248
01:22:13,073 --> 01:22:18,571
There's a bigger picture, and Don Barnett
should have been heard in part about it.

1249
01:22:18,571 --> 01:22:20,650
I invite everyone, please come,

1250
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:25,880
come down to East Sheepneck and find out
who is really behind this and what is

1251
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:30,306
really going on before we take that word
agriculture, tear it off,

1252
01:22:30,306 --> 01:22:34,530
and say Troy Blackman or development.
Please, enough is enough.

1253
01:22:34,530 --> 01:22:41,494
Drake Sparks.

1254
01:22:41,494 --> 01:22:46,552
Hello, my name is Drake Sparks. I'm a
District 9 resident.

1255
01:22:46,552 --> 01:22:49,604
I live at 3090 East Sheepneck Road.

1256
01:22:49,604 --> 01:22:56,144
And I just want to talk about this
development from a farmer's perspective.

1257
01:22:56,144 --> 01:23:00,591
I'm vocationally a farmer at this point in
my life.

1258
01:23:00,591 --> 01:23:06,433
And the traffic, even the existing
traffic, creates a lot of safety

1259
01:23:06,433 --> 01:23:07,393
traffic, creates a lot of safety
challenges.

1260
01:23:07,393 --> 01:23:12,712
So the way I do business, I bring my kids
with me everywhere.

1261
01:23:12,712 --> 01:23:19,165
So if you look in the cab of You look on
my tractor or you look on my UTV,

1262
01:23:19,165 --> 01:23:23,786
there's 1 to 2 small humans with me doing
everything.

1263
01:23:23,786 --> 01:23:30,501
And that means we're stretching water
hoses across the road, watering cattle.

1264
01:23:30,501 --> 01:23:35,210
That means we're pulling hay down the road
in a truck.

1265
01:23:35,210 --> 01:23:41,837
That means we're taking hogs or cattle to
the butcher, et cetera, et cetera,

1266
01:23:41,837 --> 01:23:43,581
et cetera. You know,

1267
01:23:43,581 --> 01:23:49,336
the transportation and all that stuff that
comes with agriculture.

1268
01:23:49,336 --> 01:23:56,661
So I believe that Sheebneck, even unto its
early days of being paved and everything,

1269
01:23:56,661 --> 01:24:01,719
was conceived as an agricultural road to
serve the farmer.

1270
01:24:01,719 --> 01:24:08,956
And I don't know how it's going to serve
the farmer anymore when it's going to have

1271
01:24:08,956 --> 01:24:15,932
a subdivision I've had people trying to
run me off the road when I'm pulling hay

1272
01:24:15,932 --> 01:24:22,821
down the road. So it's already pretty
sketchy and totally against it, you know,

1273
01:24:22,821 --> 01:24:30,059
for the sake of agriculture, which should
be a priority of this body and all of us,

1274
01:24:30,059 --> 01:24:35,988
is preserving that. So thank you for your
service and what y'all do.

1275
01:24:35,988 --> 01:24:40,610
I really appreciate it genuinely. Have a
great night.

1276
01:24:40,610 --> 01:24:42,286
Thank you. Lauren Sparks.

1277
01:24:42,286 --> 01:24:46,979
Hello, I'm Lauren Sparks and I'm at 3090
East Sheepneck in District 9.

1278
01:24:46,979 --> 01:24:49,995
I'm a little nervous, so I wrote it all
down,

1279
01:24:49,995 --> 01:24:52,610
so I'm just going to read it for y'all.

1280
01:24:52,610 --> 01:24:56,565
But thank you so much for your guys'
service, first of all.

1281
01:24:56,565 --> 01:25:01,928
First off, um, I'm speaking tonight on
behalf of the residents of East Sheepneck

1282
01:25:01,928 --> 01:25:04,878
Road in opposition to the proposed 13th
lot.

1283
01:25:04,878 --> 01:25:06,956
Ridgeline Reserve concept plan—

1284
01:25:06,956 --> 01:25:10,576
this plan represents a direct threat to
public safety,

1285
01:25:10,576 --> 01:25:12,856
as we've heard many times tonight.

1286
01:25:12,856 --> 01:25:15,738
I want to focus on the 13 additional
homes,

1287
01:25:15,738 --> 01:25:19,023
what they actually mean for our small
rural road.

1288
01:25:19,023 --> 01:25:23,783
When you hear 13 homes, that number can
sound relatively insignificant,

1289
01:25:23,783 --> 01:25:28,811
but the fact is that Murray County
households have approximately 2 vehicles

1290
01:25:28,811 --> 01:25:30,420
available per household.

1291
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:32,364
Applied to 13 new residences,

1292
01:25:32,364 --> 01:25:37,325
That suggests roughly 26 additional
resident vehicles regularly using this

1293
01:25:37,325 --> 01:25:37,660
resident vehicles regularly using this
road.

1294
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:42,352
And those vehicles don't just make a trip,
like one single trip a day.

1295
01:25:42,352 --> 01:25:47,447
They leave for work, they take kids to
school, they go to the grocery store,

1296
01:25:47,447 --> 01:25:50,732
appointments and activities, then they
come home.

1297
01:25:50,732 --> 01:25:55,894
And that's before we count for Amazon, UPS
deliveries, visitors, contractors,

1298
01:25:55,894 --> 01:26:00,453
school transportation, the emergency
vehicles, et cetera, et cetera.

1299
01:26:00,453 --> 01:26:01,861
This is a major road.

1300
01:26:01,861 --> 01:26:06,017
The different transportation methodologies
estimate that this—

1301
01:26:06,017 --> 01:26:11,179
or this activity differently. It's not
just 26, you know, cars going back and

1302
01:26:11,179 --> 01:26:11,581
just 26, you know, cars going back and
forth.

1303
01:26:11,581 --> 01:26:16,408
Actually, it would be more like 73
additional vehicle trips per weekday,

1304
01:26:16,408 --> 01:26:21,034
all the way up to as many as 120 trips per
weekday vehicle movements.

1305
01:26:21,034 --> 01:26:25,927
I'm not suggesting that there's 120 new
cars. That's not what I'm saying.

1306
01:26:25,927 --> 01:26:27,268
I'm saying that, um,

1307
01:26:27,268 --> 01:26:32,497
13 homes can generate dozens of additional
vehicle movements every single day.

1308
01:26:32,497 --> 01:26:37,927
Those movements occur on, as we know, a
narrow, like, single road or single lane,

1309
01:26:37,927 --> 01:26:41,011
um, for at least half if not more of the
road.

1310
01:26:41,011 --> 01:26:45,704
Um, yeah, just a narrow with, you know,
S-curves. It's just dangerous.

1311
01:26:45,704 --> 01:26:50,396
Um, I'm one of at least 4 other moms that
regularly walk on this road.

1312
01:26:50,396 --> 01:26:53,614
I know there's probably 7 of us with Young
kids,

1313
01:26:53,614 --> 01:26:57,368
but I know 4 actively walk on that road
with small kids.

1314
01:26:57,368 --> 01:27:01,391
We obviously are very concerned about
this, as you've heard.

1315
01:27:01,391 --> 01:27:03,938
We also— you also heard we're farmers,

1316
01:27:03,938 --> 01:27:08,564
so we move cows across the road at 2
different access points as well.

1317
01:27:08,564 --> 01:27:13,659
And we, you know, usually have to keep
cars waiting as we're moving our herd

1318
01:27:13,659 --> 01:27:14,061
cars waiting as we're moving our herd
across

1319
01:27:14,061 --> 01:27:19,156
the street back and forth. And we do that
weekly. So there's a lot going on.

1320
01:27:19,156 --> 01:27:19,479
Thank you.

1321
01:27:19,943 --> 01:27:24,758
Over there. The development should be
designed around the limitations of the

1322
01:27:24,758 --> 01:27:25,138
designed around the limitations of the
public

1323
01:27:25,138 --> 01:27:30,270
infrastructure it depends upon rather than
expecting the public infrastructure to

1324
01:27:30,270 --> 01:27:33,311
somehow accommodate whatever development
occurs,

1325
01:27:33,311 --> 01:27:38,570
because that's not fair for us or really
anybody, the people that buy the property,

1326
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:43,385
all of that. Before these 13 homes
permanently change the traffic pattern of

1327
01:27:43,385 --> 01:27:43,638
permanently change the traffic pattern of
this

1328
01:27:43,638 --> 01:27:47,566
road, I'm really asking you guys to
demonstrate that the road—

1329
01:27:47,566 --> 01:27:50,354
or not necessarily you guys, but the
county—

1330
01:27:50,354 --> 01:27:55,613
to demonstrate demonstrate that the road
can safely handle the additional activity.

1331
01:27:55,613 --> 01:27:58,274
Thank you, guys. Thank you. Chandra Cecil.

1332
01:27:58,274 --> 01:28:02,519
And I am a resident of East Sheep Neck
Road as well and District 9.

1333
01:28:02,519 --> 01:28:05,686
And thank you for listening today to our
comments.

1334
01:28:05,686 --> 01:28:09,108
I've lived here since I was Since, well,
12 years old.

1335
01:28:09,108 --> 01:28:13,796
And we moved onto East Jeep Neck Road. My
parents built a house out there.

1336
01:28:13,796 --> 01:28:16,457
And I remember the roads being dirt roads.

1337
01:28:16,457 --> 01:28:20,132
And Mark does too, I know, and many of my
other neighbors.

1338
01:28:20,132 --> 01:28:23,996
But so we've seen, you know, just like she
just said, I mean,

1339
01:28:23,996 --> 01:28:28,305
just imagine all the extra traffic and,
yeah, all the other— I mean,

1340
01:28:28,305 --> 01:28:30,395
we already have a lot of traffic.

1341
01:28:30,395 --> 01:28:31,726
And without You know,

1342
01:28:31,726 --> 01:28:36,478
13 extra houses and all the extra vehicles
and things coming onto the road.

1343
01:28:36,478 --> 01:28:39,835
So, and a lot of people do like to walk on
that road.

1344
01:28:39,835 --> 01:28:43,764
Um, years ago, I used— my family, we used
to bike on the road,

1345
01:28:43,764 --> 01:28:48,769
but we had to be very careful because it
is a very narrow road and no shoulder.

1346
01:28:48,769 --> 01:28:53,267
There's not a, you know, not shoulders.
There's ditches and it's curvy.

1347
01:28:53,267 --> 01:28:56,435
And like everybody— everyone pretty much
has said,

1348
01:28:56,435 --> 01:28:59,793
you get in certain areas of that road and
if someone—

1349
01:28:59,793 --> 01:29:04,544
if you're met with a big truck that is
Like right in your lane and you have

1350
01:29:04,544 --> 01:29:04,988
Like right in your lane and you have
nowhere

1351
01:29:04,988 --> 01:29:10,056
else to go. You could be in the ditch. And
that's happened before to some of us.

1352
01:29:10,056 --> 01:29:12,591
And my parents couldn't be here tonight,

1353
01:29:12,591 --> 01:29:15,442
but they are definitely against this as
well.

1354
01:29:15,442 --> 01:29:18,103
They live near— next door to us, actually.

1355
01:29:18,103 --> 01:29:23,361
Our daughter was raised in our residence
and we built our house back in 2002 or had

1356
01:29:23,361 --> 01:29:27,860
it built in 2002. And yeah, we just— I'm
just— I don't— I'm frustrated.

1357
01:29:27,860 --> 01:29:31,724
I don't understand how all these driveways
got put out there.

1358
01:29:31,724 --> 01:29:36,539
Without approval, that this guy was able
to just come in and just start, oh,

1359
01:29:36,539 --> 01:29:41,164
I'm going to build here, and without
approval from the county commission,

1360
01:29:41,164 --> 01:29:44,396
from y'all. And like Chris said, how
disrespectful.

1361
01:29:44,396 --> 01:29:49,464
I don't understand how people think they
can just bulldoze into Middle Tennessee

1362
01:29:49,464 --> 01:29:49,654
can just bulldoze into Middle Tennessee
and

1363
01:29:49,654 --> 01:29:52,949
do this. I, you know, it's just, again,
it's a mess.

1364
01:29:52,949 --> 01:29:57,257
So please, please don't approve. Please do
not allow this to happen.

1365
01:29:57,257 --> 01:29:57,739
Thank you.

1366
01:29:58,030 --> 01:30:00,665
And like Dustin said, they've already done
illegal things.

1367
01:30:00,665 --> 01:30:03,572
Why, why is it that— or unethical,
whatever you want to call it.

1368
01:30:03,572 --> 01:30:06,025
Um, what's going to keep them from doing
that anymore?

1369
01:30:06,025 --> 01:30:09,568
And the other places around the county
where they're doing this kind of stuff.

1370
01:30:09,568 --> 01:30:10,522
Um, this is not okay.

1371
01:30:10,522 --> 01:30:14,157
And we— I just plead with you to please
listen to everyone that's talked tonight

1372
01:30:14,157 --> 01:30:16,564
that said they do not want this
application approved.

1373
01:30:16,564 --> 01:30:18,699
Thank you so much for your time. God bless
you.

1374
01:30:18,699 --> 01:30:20,971
And again, I wouldn't want to be in your
position.

1375
01:30:20,971 --> 01:30:23,560
Oh, another thing I wanted to say too. I
have 55 seconds.

1376
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:23,600
Thank you.

1377
01:30:25,696 --> 01:30:27,756
I love farmland. I love being in the
country.

1378
01:30:27,756 --> 01:30:31,234
That's the reason why I grew up in the
country. I love being in the country.

1379
01:30:31,234 --> 01:30:34,530
My husband and I love being in the
country. My parents love being in the

1380
01:30:34,530 --> 01:30:34,896
country. My parents love being in the
country.

1381
01:30:34,896 --> 01:30:36,040
We love having neighbors,

1382
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,610
but we like having that distance as well
and not having tons of traffic on our

1383
01:30:39,610 --> 01:30:39,839
and not having tons of traffic on our
road.

1384
01:30:39,839 --> 01:30:43,500
But the animals and the farmland and all
that is— that's going to be taken over,

1385
01:30:43,500 --> 01:30:45,789
that natural habitat that's going to be
disrupted.

1386
01:30:45,789 --> 01:30:49,450
And again, we don't have enough water in
our county. We're running out of water.

1387
01:30:49,450 --> 01:30:53,204
Where are we going to get the water to to
give these people water in their houses.

1388
01:30:53,204 --> 01:30:56,270
We've already got the issue going on on
Double Branch Road as well.

1389
01:30:56,270 --> 01:30:58,467
And anyway, that's another thing I take on
that.

1390
01:30:59,094 --> 01:30:59,384
So thank you.

1391
01:30:59,465 --> 01:31:02,713
And again, we have all these families that
we want to make sure that they can

1392
01:31:02,713 --> 01:31:04,400
provide for their family for the future.

1393
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,141
The people that currently live here,
please, please listen to us.

1394
01:31:07,141 --> 01:31:09,714
We'd appreciate it so much. God bless
y'all. Thank you again.

1395
01:31:09,714 --> 01:31:14,581
Thank you. Glenn Alexander.

1396
01:31:16,312 --> 01:31:20,223
Okay. Gabe Howard.

1397
01:31:20,223 --> 01:31:23,540
Thank you, Madam Chair, uh,

1398
01:31:23,540 --> 01:31:28,945
members of the Regional Planning
Commission.

1399
01:31:28,945 --> 01:31:32,630
I'm asking you tonight to not—

1400
01:31:32,630 --> 01:31:35,883
Gabe, I'm sorry, can you just state your
name and district number for the record?

1401
01:31:35,980 --> 01:31:38,734
Sorry to interrupt. Gabe Howard, uh,
District 8.

1402
01:31:38,734 --> 01:31:42,635
Uh, tonight I'm here representing my
friends on East Sheepneck Road.

1403
01:31:42,635 --> 01:31:46,766
I'm asking you tonight to vote no on the
Ridgeline Reserve concept plan.

1404
01:31:46,766 --> 01:31:51,011
I know that y'all were just presented that
maybe this should be withdrawn.

1405
01:31:51,011 --> 01:31:54,396
I would ask y'all tonight to go ahead and
actually deny it.

1406
01:31:54,396 --> 01:31:56,347
They submitted an application, uh,

1407
01:31:56,347 --> 01:31:59,847
but that basically they didn't even have
the right to submit.

1408
01:31:59,847 --> 01:32:02,600
So send that message loud and clear and
deny it.

1409
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,666
This is bigger than one subdivision.

1410
01:32:04,666 --> 01:32:09,428
It's about whether our rules actually mean
something and whether Everyone in Murray

1411
01:32:09,428 --> 01:32:12,009
County is expected to play by the same
rules.

1412
01:32:12,009 --> 01:32:16,542
This plan proposes 13 residential lots,
more than 3,300 feet of new water line,

1413
01:32:16,542 --> 01:32:18,148
an individual septic system.

1414
01:32:18,148 --> 01:32:20,500
The plan also states that its purpose is—

1415
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:23,885
includes voiding and vacating the
previously recorded plat.

1416
01:32:23,885 --> 01:32:26,868
This is a residential development, plain
and simple.

1417
01:32:26,868 --> 01:32:29,106
But before we get into planning policy,

1418
01:32:29,106 --> 01:32:33,753
this commission should vote no based on
public safety alone. East Sheepneck Road.

1419
01:32:33,753 --> 01:32:37,425
How many of y'all have actually driven
down East Sheepneck Road?

1420
01:32:37,425 --> 01:32:40,638
East Sheepneck Road is already dangerous
and rural road.

1421
01:32:40,638 --> 01:32:45,113
The plans say the pavement is 24 feet
wide. I would question that. I know that

1422
01:32:45,113 --> 01:32:45,399
wide. I would question that. I know that
road.

1423
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:47,752
I've been driving that road for 15 years.

1424
01:32:47,752 --> 01:32:52,055
And whether that road is actually 24 feet
and whether it's been represented

1425
01:32:52,055 --> 01:32:54,292
correctly, I don't believe that it has.

1426
01:32:54,292 --> 01:32:56,931
Before we approve more homes and more
traffic,

1427
01:32:56,931 --> 01:32:59,111
that should be independently verified.

1428
01:32:59,111 --> 01:33:03,185
The applicant's own plans identify steep
slopes, large trees, culverts,

1429
01:33:03,185 --> 01:33:04,447
and rock outcroppings.

1430
01:33:04,447 --> 01:33:08,922
In some places, even the proposed water
line has to be placed only 2 or 3 feet

1431
01:33:08,922 --> 01:33:09,151
line has to be placed only 2 or 3 feet
from

1432
01:33:09,151 --> 01:33:13,856
the edge of the pavement because of the
conditions. That should tell us something.

1433
01:33:13,856 --> 01:33:16,323
Then look at how these lots are
configured.

1434
01:33:16,323 --> 01:33:20,798
The concept plan relies on multiple
25-foot easements throughout the property.

1435
01:33:20,798 --> 01:33:22,748
That should be alarming in itself.

1436
01:33:22,748 --> 01:33:26,764
When we start using easements and
administrative mechanisms to squeeze

1437
01:33:26,764 --> 01:33:27,338
administrative mechanisms to squeeze
additional

1438
01:33:27,338 --> 01:33:29,575
residential lots out of rural farmland,

1439
01:33:29,575 --> 01:33:34,337
we have to ask whether we are honoring the
intent of our subdivision regulations or

1440
01:33:34,337 --> 01:33:36,575
simply finding another way around them.

1441
01:33:36,575 --> 01:33:41,107
It should not be harder for a farmer to
preserve and protect their own farmland

1442
01:33:41,107 --> 01:33:41,337
preserve and protect their own farmland
than

1443
01:33:41,337 --> 01:33:45,812
it is for a developer to administratively
carve that farmland into residential

1444
01:33:45,812 --> 01:33:47,877
tracts. That's completely backwards.

1445
01:33:47,877 --> 01:33:50,057
I believe strongly in property rights,

1446
01:33:50,057 --> 01:33:52,811
but the rules should apply equally to
everybody.

1447
01:33:52,811 --> 01:33:55,507
At some point, we have to say enough is
enough.

1448
01:33:55,507 --> 01:33:57,630
Enough loopholes, enough workarounds,

1449
01:33:57,630 --> 01:34:01,130
enough development greed being placed
ahead of public safety,

1450
01:34:01,130 --> 01:34:04,343
Good planning and the protection of rural
Murray County.

1451
01:34:04,343 --> 01:34:07,727
Protect our roads, protect our farmland,
respect the rules.

1452
01:34:07,727 --> 01:34:11,055
Make a motion to deny this tonight. Thank
you all so much.

1453
01:34:12,057 --> 01:34:14,395
Thank you. Okay, that's everybody.

1454
01:34:14,395 --> 01:34:19,757
That's everybody that I had signed up to
prior to the meeting to speak on this

1455
01:34:19,757 --> 01:34:23,263
particular agenda item. Kristi, you have
the floor.

1456
01:34:23,263 --> 01:34:26,907
Sorry, I don't ever wait for the light
like I should.

1457
01:34:26,907 --> 01:34:29,176
I looked through your procedures,

1458
01:34:29,176 --> 01:34:34,676
and I think at this point I understand the
sentiment asking you all to take some

1459
01:34:34,676 --> 01:34:38,801
action, but I don't believe you have the
authority to do so.

1460
01:34:38,801 --> 01:34:44,164
So at this point, I'm going to ask the
applicant to withdraw the item from the

1461
01:34:44,164 --> 01:34:49,802
agenda because you can't take action on it
even if you wanted to because you don't

1462
01:34:49,802 --> 01:34:53,995
have the authority to. without that
property owner's consent.

1463
01:34:53,995 --> 01:34:57,983
So I don't have a whole lot of other
choice at this point.

1464
01:34:57,983 --> 01:35:02,908
Just ask, ask for it to be withdrawn.

1465
01:35:02,908 --> 01:35:04,225
Yeah, yeah.

1466
01:35:04,225 --> 01:35:06,603
I mean, that the item be withdrawn.

1467
01:35:06,603 --> 01:35:09,673
Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna withdraw
it.

1468
01:35:09,673 --> 01:35:15,241
Why don't y'all just take an action to
accept the withdrawal just so that it's

1469
01:35:15,241 --> 01:35:18,525
clean? Um, no, it's withdrawn as of right
now,

1470
01:35:18,525 --> 01:35:24,022
and And y'all just move to accept the
withdrawal so we have it on the record.

1471
01:35:24,022 --> 01:35:26,592
And it's— this is a weird situation.

1472
01:35:26,592 --> 01:35:31,161
Oddly enough, I had it happen in another
county just last month.

1473
01:35:31,161 --> 01:35:36,015
I don't know what's going on. I haven't
seen this in 15 or 20 years.

1474
01:35:36,015 --> 01:35:41,940
Yeah, let's just take a motion to accept
the withdrawal and take an action on that,

1475
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:46,081
and then we'll, we'll move along. Debbie.
Okay. Thank you.

1476
01:35:46,081 --> 01:35:50,935
Debbie, Debbie was first and Quentin was
second. I'm sorry. Yes, Mr.

1477
01:35:50,935 --> 01:35:52,720
Delk, you have the floor.

1478
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,225
I want to ask you one question. Lot 6
already sold.

1479
01:35:57,225 --> 01:36:00,140
Can't be part of the plat, right?

1480
01:36:00,140 --> 01:36:02,353
Unless they consent.

1481
01:36:02,482 --> 01:36:05,340
Like, I mean, unless they join in with
the—

1482
01:36:05,389 --> 01:36:08,968
yeah, yeah. I mean, because you can see,
you can void, vacate,

1483
01:36:08,968 --> 01:36:11,566
and supersede with But if they don't
consent,

1484
01:36:11,566 --> 01:36:15,780
then all the easements and everything on
there cannot be in place either?

1485
01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:20,167
I don't know. We'd have to look and see
what was part of what their deed is.

1486
01:36:20,167 --> 01:36:24,900
I mean, there may be easements contained
within their deed when they took title to

1487
01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:29,172
the property, and that's not something I
would really know anything about.

1488
01:36:29,172 --> 01:36:33,559
But that's also something that the
developer and their consultant would need

1489
01:36:33,559 --> 01:36:33,675
developer and their consultant would need
to

1490
01:36:33,675 --> 01:36:38,293
clarify. So it may be that it has to show
up on the plat to affect the easement.

1491
01:36:38,293 --> 01:36:42,507
I mean, it's— This is kind of a tangled
web here we'd have to figure out.

1492
01:36:42,507 --> 01:36:45,976
Okay. I don't need no— all right.

1493
01:36:45,976 --> 01:36:48,435
No other questions from the commission?

1494
01:36:48,435 --> 01:36:52,659
We have a motion and a second to accept
the applicant's withdrawal.

1495
01:36:52,659 --> 01:36:54,361
All those in favor say aye.

1496
01:36:54,361 --> 01:36:55,052
Aye.

1497
01:36:55,052 --> 01:36:58,313
Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

1498
01:36:58,313 --> 01:37:04,818
Take a couple minutes, let everybody back
in.

1499
01:37:04,818 --> 01:37:06,317
Um, this has been a long meeting.

1500
01:37:06,317 --> 01:37:09,861
Let's just take like a Let's take a
5-minute break so people can get something

1501
01:37:09,861 --> 01:37:09,952
5-minute break so people can get something
to

1502
01:37:09,952 --> 01:37:11,769
drink and go to the restroom. Thank you.

1503
01:37:11,769 --> 01:38:23,441
Yes,

1504
01:38:23,441 --> 01:40:10,950
right.

1505
01:40:11,372 --> 01:40:17,487
That's the thing. I was looking at the

1506
01:40:17,487 --> 01:40:23,763
timer. I'm like, okay. No, but I still—

1507
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:27,387
What's that? Oh, oh, yeah, you're right.

1508
01:40:28,017 --> 01:40:34,936
I was gonna

1509
01:40:34,936 --> 01:40:37,451
say,

1510
01:40:37,451 --> 01:40:45,628
I remember it

1511
01:40:45,628 --> 01:40:52,547
being there

1512
01:40:52,547 --> 01:40:58,836
last year.

1513
01:40:58,836 --> 01:41:05,755
I'd like to

1514
01:41:05,755 --> 01:41:12,673
get started

1515
01:41:12,673 --> 01:41:21,479
again, please.

1516
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:27,768
Thank you.

1517
01:41:27,768 --> 01:41:34,058
All right,

1518
01:41:34,058 --> 01:41:41,606
I'm going to

1519
01:41:41,606 --> 01:41:46,637
call the

1520
01:41:46,637 --> 01:41:54,185
meeting back

1521
01:41:54,185 --> 01:41:59,846
to order.

1522
01:41:59,846 --> 01:42:06,135
Thank you,

1523
01:42:06,135 --> 01:42:11,796
everyone.

1524
01:42:11,796 --> 01:42:20,601
We're going to

1525
01:42:20,601 --> 01:42:29,407
move to item 9

1526
01:42:29,407 --> 01:42:38,212
on our agenda,

1527
01:42:38,212 --> 01:42:44,502
which is a

1528
01:42:44,502 --> 01:42:53,307
recommendation

1529
01:42:53,307 --> 01:43:02,113
for a rezoning

1530
01:43:02,113 --> 01:43:10,289
from RG to an

1531
01:43:10,289 --> 01:43:17,837
AP district,

1532
01:43:17,837 --> 01:43:26,642
property being

1533
01:43:26,642 --> 01:43:34,819
located at 26

1534
01:43:34,819 --> 01:43:41,738
2626 Double

1535
01:43:41,738 --> 01:43:49,285
Branch Road,

1536
01:43:49,285 --> 01:43:54,946
Columbia,

1537
01:43:54,946 --> 01:44:01,864
District 5.

1538
01:44:01,864 --> 01:44:05,638
Is the

1539
01:44:05,638 --> 01:44:11,299
applicant

1540
01:44:11,299 --> 01:44:16,331
present,

1541
01:44:16,331 --> 01:44:20,733
please?

1542
01:44:20,733 --> 01:44:29,539
Could you come

1543
01:44:29,539 --> 01:44:37,715
forward, sir?

1544
01:44:37,715 --> 01:44:45,263
If you would

1545
01:44:45,263 --> 01:44:51,552
just state

1546
01:44:51,552 --> 01:44:59,729
your name and

1547
01:44:59,729 --> 01:45:07,276
district and

1548
01:45:07,276 --> 01:45:14,824
just tell us

1549
01:45:14,824 --> 01:45:21,743
what you're

1550
01:45:21,743 --> 01:45:28,032
proposing,

1551
01:45:28,032 --> 01:45:32,435
please.

1552
01:45:32,435 --> 01:45:37,042
Darryl Manzolini, District 9, 2626 Double
Branch Road.

1553
01:45:37,042 --> 01:45:41,625
Can you— do you have any information you
want to give?

1554
01:45:41,625 --> 01:45:46,027
No, we just would like to try to move
forward with this and try to go along with

1555
01:45:46,027 --> 01:45:46,192
forward with this and try to go along with
the

1556
01:45:46,192 --> 01:45:47,623
settlements here going on,

1557
01:45:47,623 --> 01:45:51,419
I'm part of the complaint that's attached
to that previous menagerie.

1558
01:45:51,419 --> 01:45:54,225
They started on our road and we're getting
overrun.

1559
01:45:54,225 --> 01:45:55,711
And so we just want to try—

1560
01:45:55,711 --> 01:45:59,893
there's a couple of us are getting
together with this to try to protect from

1561
01:45:59,893 --> 01:46:00,168
together with this to try to protect from
being

1562
01:46:00,168 --> 01:46:01,489
encroached on. You know,

1563
01:46:01,489 --> 01:46:05,780
we moved out there to try to enjoy the
peace of the countryside and it's being

1564
01:46:05,780 --> 01:46:10,237
closed in on us. And this is just one step
that we're trying to make to make sure

1565
01:46:10,237 --> 01:46:12,383
that we buildings and people, you know,

1566
01:46:12,383 --> 01:46:16,345
they hear a rooster crow or don't like the
smell of a pig in their yard,

1567
01:46:16,345 --> 01:46:20,857
they start crying and complaining. This
gives us a little protection against that.

1568
01:46:20,857 --> 01:46:22,736
Okay. All right. Thank you, sir.

1569
01:46:22,736 --> 01:46:23,153
You bet.

1570
01:46:23,153 --> 01:46:27,116
Any questions or comments from the
Planning Commission?

1571
01:46:27,116 --> 01:46:30,070
All right. We have a motion and a second.

1572
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:31,583
All in favor say aye.

1573
01:46:31,583 --> 01:46:32,338
Aye.

1574
01:46:32,338 --> 01:46:36,021
Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you.

1575
01:46:36,021 --> 01:46:39,345
Okay, moving along to item number 10.

1576
01:46:39,345 --> 01:46:46,172
This is also a recommendation that will be
sent to the County Commission for

1577
01:46:46,172 --> 01:46:52,550
a rezoning from RG to AP district at
location 3090 East Sheepneck Road,

1578
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:59,377
Columbia— excuse me, Culeoaka, District 9.
Is the applicant present, please?

1579
01:46:59,377 --> 01:47:02,196
Yes.

1580
01:47:05,196 --> 01:47:10,199
Good evening. If you all could just state
your names and your district number,

1581
01:47:10,199 --> 01:47:11,418
please. Yes, ma'am.

1582
01:47:12,127 --> 01:47:15,814
Drake Sparks, Lauren Sparks, Teresa
Sparks, John Sparks, District 9.

1583
01:47:15,814 --> 01:47:19,466
Okay. Is there anything you all would like
to say to the commission?

1584
01:47:19,466 --> 01:47:24,741
Um, obviously from our previous
statements, uh, on other matters,

1585
01:47:24,741 --> 01:47:29,936
we're passionate about preserving farmland
and The farm is used,

1586
01:47:29,936 --> 01:47:32,208
or the land is used to farm.

1587
01:47:32,208 --> 01:47:32,677
Okay.

1588
01:47:32,823 --> 01:47:33,745
So, all right.

1589
01:47:34,279 --> 01:47:39,637
Any questions from the commission? We have
a motion and a second.

1590
01:47:39,637 --> 01:47:45,159
All in favor say aye. Those opposed?
Motion carries. Thank you all.

1591
01:47:45,159 --> 01:47:51,670
Moving along, item number 11 is also a
recommendation for a rezoning from RG to

1592
01:47:51,670 --> 01:47:51,835
recommendation for a rezoning from RG to
AP

1593
01:47:51,835 --> 01:47:56,863
district at 3083 East Sheepneck Road in
Culeoaka, District 9.

1594
01:47:56,863 --> 01:47:59,583
Is the applicant present, please?

1595
01:47:59,583 --> 01:48:04,611
Sam, I know you're responsible for a lot
of this AP district,

1596
01:48:04,611 --> 01:48:10,875
and you're going to hear tomorrow we're
going to try to push to make it more

1597
01:48:10,875 --> 01:48:11,452
going to try to push to make it more
easily—

1598
01:48:11,452 --> 01:48:17,634
to make it happen more easily, because—
and I think I have a plan for that,

1599
01:48:17,634 --> 01:48:23,898
because I don't think anybody else will go
through the 14 steps. It's a lot.

1600
01:48:23,898 --> 01:48:26,288
It's a lot to get through it.

1601
01:48:26,288 --> 01:48:33,129
And I have a plan, so I'm going to present
that tomorrow at the comprehensive plan,

1602
01:48:33,129 --> 01:48:38,651
land use plan. But yeah, this is also— the
next 2 are our property.

1603
01:48:38,651 --> 01:48:45,080
For the record, would you all just state
your name again, please? That's okay.

1604
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:51,839
Theresa Sparks. John Sparks, District 9.
All right. We have a motion and a second.

1605
01:48:51,839 --> 01:48:53,570
All in favor say aye.

1606
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:54,292
Aye.

1607
01:48:54,292 --> 01:49:01,111
Those opposed? Motion carries. All right,
next item. You can, you can stay.

1608
01:49:01,111 --> 01:49:08,021
The next item is also a rezoning from RG
to AP district located at 3192 East

1609
01:49:08,021 --> 01:49:14,931
Sheepneck Road in Culeoaka, District 9.
Okay, second. We have a motion and a

1610
01:49:14,931 --> 01:49:15,568
Okay, second. We have a motion and a
second.

1611
01:49:15,568 --> 01:49:22,660
All in favor say aye. Those opposed?
Motion carries. Thank you all. All right.

1612
01:49:22,660 --> 01:49:30,297
Item number 13, also a recommendation for
rezoning from RG to AP district located at

1613
01:49:30,297 --> 01:49:36,935
2691 East Sheepneck Road, Culeoaka,
District 9. Is the applicant present,

1614
01:49:36,935 --> 01:49:37,571
District 9. Is the applicant present,
please?

1615
01:49:37,571 --> 01:49:39,844
Good. Okay. Good evening.

1616
01:49:39,844 --> 01:49:46,936
Could you all just state your name and
district number for the record, please?

1617
01:49:47,190 --> 01:49:53,078
Mike Foster and Patty Foster, 2691 East
Sheepneck Road, District 9.

1618
01:49:53,078 --> 01:49:53,675
Okay.

1619
01:49:54,723 --> 01:49:55,627
Okay.

1620
01:49:56,401 --> 01:49:59,371
We have a motion and a second on the
table. All in favor say aye.

1621
01:49:59,371 --> 01:50:00,070
Aye.

1622
01:50:00,070 --> 01:50:07,145
Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank you
all. We have one final— yes.

1623
01:50:07,145 --> 01:50:10,631
Who was my second on that, please?

1624
01:50:10,631 --> 01:50:18,117
Yeah, uh, we also— item number 14 is also
a recommendation for a rezoning

1625
01:50:18,117 --> 01:50:25,294
from RG to AP district located at 1001
East Sheepneck Road in Culebra,

1626
01:50:25,294 --> 01:50:29,088
District 9. Is the applicant present?

1627
01:50:29,088 --> 01:50:36,266
If you would just state your name and
district for the record, please,

1628
01:50:36,266 --> 01:50:36,676
sir.

1629
01:50:36,676 --> 01:50:37,878
Chris Grambling, District 9.

1630
01:50:37,878 --> 01:50:43,169
All right, thank you. Who was my— Mike's
my motion, Jonathan's my second.

1631
01:50:43,169 --> 01:50:48,460
Okay, we have a motion and a second. All
in favor say aye. Those opposed?

1632
01:50:48,460 --> 01:50:50,707
Motion carries. Thank you, sir.

1633
01:50:50,707 --> 01:50:55,294
Thank you very much.

1634
01:50:55,294 --> 01:50:59,831
Okay, item number 15 on our agenda is
letters of credit.

1635
01:50:59,831 --> 01:51:05,827
We have a request for a reduction of
letter of credit for LaBella Springs.

1636
01:51:05,827 --> 01:51:11,822
They're requesting approval of a 30%
reduction in the letter of credit, 33

1637
01:51:11,822 --> 01:51:12,227
reduction in the letter of credit, 33
lots,

1638
01:51:12,227 --> 01:51:17,251
reducing the performance amount from
$2,598,000 to $1,818,600,

1639
01:51:17,251 --> 01:51:23,327
which is proportional to the work
completed to date. Is the applicant here?

1640
01:51:23,327 --> 01:51:26,244
Do we have anybody here for LaBella?

1641
01:51:26,244 --> 01:51:26,923
No.

1642
01:51:26,923 --> 01:51:34,916
Okay. All right. Any questions from the
commission?

1643
01:51:37,916 --> 01:51:41,063
Comments? The reduction in amount is 30%,
is that right?

1644
01:51:41,063 --> 01:51:44,016
That's correct, Mr. Delk. Yeah, that's
what it says.

1645
01:51:44,016 --> 01:51:47,743
That's correct. Based on y'all's

1646
01:51:47,743 --> 01:51:51,470
recommendation, I move approval.

1647
01:51:51,470 --> 01:51:52,285
Second.

1648
01:51:52,285 --> 01:51:58,349
Okay, we have a motion from Mr. Delk,
second from Mike. Bless you.

1649
01:51:58,349 --> 01:52:04,412
All in favor, all in favor say aye. Those
opposed? Motion carried.

1650
01:52:04,412 --> 01:52:09,833
Okay, do we have reports of officers,
committees, or staff?

1651
01:52:09,833 --> 01:52:12,497
Okay, floor is yours, Robert.

1652
01:52:12,497 --> 01:52:18,537
There is a published advisory committee
meeting tomorrow evening

1653
01:52:18,537 --> 01:52:20,519
in this room at 5:30.

1654
01:52:20,519 --> 01:52:26,370
That's to continue work on updating the
comprehensive land use

1655
01:52:26,370 --> 01:52:30,522
Plan. Just an announcement. Okay, thank
you.

1656
01:52:31,355 --> 01:52:32,856
I'm going to get to you.

1657
01:52:32,856 --> 01:52:35,795
I do, um, uh, any other— before I move
forward,

1658
01:52:35,795 --> 01:52:40,360
any other items of business from Reports
of Officers, Committee of Staff?

1659
01:52:40,761 --> 01:52:41,001
Okay.

1660
01:52:42,010 --> 01:52:44,481
Under other business, um, Mike Diaz,

1661
01:52:44,481 --> 01:52:48,119
who has served this Planning Commission
for 10 years,

1662
01:52:48,119 --> 01:52:53,610
let us know this evening that this will be
his last Planning Commission meeting.

1663
01:52:53,610 --> 01:52:58,963
So, Mike, I've gotten— most of us have
gotten to know you over the many years.

1664
01:52:58,963 --> 01:53:01,228
I sat next to you for many years.

1665
01:53:01,228 --> 01:53:06,788
So we thank you for your dedication and
your years of service to this commission.

1666
01:53:06,788 --> 01:53:09,671
You will be missed, and, and we thank you.

1667
01:53:09,671 --> 01:53:14,887
So just, just wanted to say, just to
mention that at the end of our meeting.

1668
01:53:14,887 --> 01:53:16,191
So thank you, Mike.

1669
01:53:16,191 --> 01:53:16,722
Thank you.

1670
01:53:19,722 --> 01:53:26,029
Okay, moving on to other business. Anybody
have any topics they would like to cover?

1671
01:53:26,029 --> 01:53:27,831
Any questions, comments?

1672
01:53:27,831 --> 01:53:29,558
Okay, finally, we have—

1673
01:53:29,558 --> 01:53:34,364
this is the portion of our meeting where
we have public comment.

1674
01:53:34,364 --> 01:53:39,995
If you would like to make a comment
regarding something that was not on our

1675
01:53:39,995 --> 01:53:40,521
regarding something that was not on our
agenda,

1676
01:53:40,521 --> 01:53:45,101
this is the time to do it. So, sir, I will
If you— I'm— okay.

1677
01:53:45,101 --> 01:53:47,204
When you come to the podium,

1678
01:53:47,204 --> 01:53:52,384
just please state your name and district
number again for the record,

1679
01:53:52,384 --> 01:53:55,463
and we will provide 3 minutes. Thank you.

1680
01:53:55,463 --> 01:53:57,894
For the record, Jordan Rauden, District 9.

1681
01:53:57,894 --> 01:54:02,525
So there was a moratorium on data center
stuff approved by the County Commission

1682
01:54:02,525 --> 01:54:04,667
last month. In it, it mentioned, hey,

1683
01:54:04,667 --> 01:54:09,298
there's going to be time now for a study
of the impact of data centers on Murray

1684
01:54:09,298 --> 01:54:11,903
County. And the scope seemed quite
extensive,

1685
01:54:11,903 --> 01:54:16,534
but no formal word on what the heck is
going on with that now that we are almost

1686
01:54:16,534 --> 01:54:16,592
going on with that now that we are almost
2

1687
01:54:16,592 --> 01:54:20,529
months in from when this body proposed
sending it to the Commission.

1688
01:54:20,529 --> 01:54:24,754
There were 6 infrastructure systems
mentioned in that: electrical, water,

1689
01:54:24,754 --> 01:54:28,170
wastewater, stormwater, transportation,
other public stuff.

1690
01:54:28,170 --> 01:54:31,238
6 separate domains which require technical
expertise.

1691
01:54:31,238 --> 01:54:35,406
It also has in it mentioned 12
environmental and operational categories:

1692
01:54:35,406 --> 01:54:35,753
environmental and operational categories:
noise,

1693
01:54:35,753 --> 01:54:40,153
sound, heat, Odors, hazardous waste
disposal, fire safety setbacks, buffers,

1694
01:54:40,153 --> 01:54:40,442
disposal, fire safety setbacks, buffers,
blah,

1695
01:54:40,442 --> 01:54:45,131
blah, blah. Okay. That's also stuff that
requires a lot of expertise to dig into,

1696
01:54:45,131 --> 01:54:48,778
plus all the zoning and regulatory work,
appropriate districts,

1697
01:54:48,778 --> 01:54:50,283
all of that kind of stuff.

1698
01:54:50,283 --> 01:54:54,567
Compounding all of that is that the
moratorium itself defined data centers

1699
01:54:54,567 --> 01:54:54,798
moratorium itself defined data centers
very

1700
01:54:54,798 --> 01:54:58,735
broadly into like 9 separate bullets in
it, which means, guess what?

1701
01:54:58,735 --> 01:54:59,950
And me as a resident,

1702
01:54:59,950 --> 01:55:04,697
and me and most of these folks would be
expecting that any study that comes out of

1703
01:55:04,697 --> 01:55:07,592
this addresses all of those environmental
factors,

1704
01:55:07,592 --> 01:55:12,223
all of those infrastructure factors within
the context of each of those bulleted

1705
01:55:12,223 --> 01:55:13,786
definitions of data center.

1706
01:55:13,786 --> 01:55:17,549
Because each one has a different kind of
impact to Murray County.

1707
01:55:17,549 --> 01:55:19,575
And so my question is, where is it?

1708
01:55:19,575 --> 01:55:22,990
How far along are we in creating a
framework on doing this?

1709
01:55:22,990 --> 01:55:24,727
I emailed this body last week.

1710
01:55:24,727 --> 01:55:29,242
Robert responded that so far there's
nothing determined on how that's going to

1711
01:55:29,242 --> 01:55:29,531
nothing determined on how that's going to
take—

1712
01:55:29,531 --> 01:55:33,063
how it's going to happen. Has that
changed? Is it documented?

1713
01:55:33,063 --> 01:55:37,752
Does it itemize all the infrastructure
systems, all the 12 environmental impacts,

1714
01:55:37,752 --> 01:55:40,299
all of the other stuff? Who's
participating?

1715
01:55:40,299 --> 01:55:43,019
Or as they say, who's going to be at the
table?

1716
01:55:43,019 --> 01:55:46,898
We need technical folks, but the
moratorium also mentions citizens,

1717
01:55:46,898 --> 01:55:47,477
moratorium also mentions citizens,
residents,

1718
01:55:47,477 --> 01:55:51,818
and business owners as core participants.
How is that going to play a role?

1719
01:55:51,818 --> 01:55:53,555
Have you assembled a team yet?

1720
01:55:54,263 --> 01:55:54,471
What is the—

1721
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:57,346
when does the framework lock in? How do we
know that?

1722
01:55:57,346 --> 01:56:00,263
Who's going to get to see When's the study
going to begin?

1723
01:56:00,263 --> 01:56:04,388
Like, there is a metric ton of work for
this that y'all have set yourselves up for

1724
01:56:04,388 --> 01:56:06,501
that we as residents are expecting to see.

1725
01:56:06,501 --> 01:56:08,815
So I'm not sure if y'all thought about it
yet,

1726
01:56:08,815 --> 01:56:12,537
but it's imperative that somebody move
forward with this and get it going.

1727
01:56:12,537 --> 01:56:16,561
How is this all going to be shared with
residents? How do we get to participate?

1728
01:56:16,561 --> 01:56:18,422
How do we get to hear how it's going?

1729
01:56:18,422 --> 01:56:22,144
Does the framework— is it going to
reference everything in the moratorium,

1730
01:56:22,144 --> 01:56:25,313
which Which I would expect. I'm concerned
we're already behind.

1731
01:56:25,313 --> 01:56:27,526
Like, this should already have been
planned.

1732
01:56:27,526 --> 01:56:31,198
When y'all crafted the moratorium
recommendation to go to the commission,

1733
01:56:31,198 --> 01:56:34,820
you already should have been formatting a
plan and a framework for this.

1734
01:56:34,820 --> 01:56:37,587
So if we haven't— don't have a framework,
we're behind.

1735
01:56:37,587 --> 01:56:40,051
And if you haven't started, I'd say we're
behind,

1736
01:56:40,051 --> 01:56:42,415
because there's a lot of work to get this
done.

1737
01:56:42,415 --> 01:56:45,937
So honestly, what I'd love from y'all is
like, we'd love to hear like,

1738
01:56:45,937 --> 01:56:48,250
what are the dates? When are things
happening?

1739
01:56:48,250 --> 01:56:51,872
When are we going to see a framework, a
strategy, a plan for this study?

1740
01:56:51,872 --> 01:56:55,846
Who's going to be involved? We need to
know that. And so that's my request from

1741
01:56:55,846 --> 01:56:56,047
know that. And so that's my request from
you.

1742
01:56:56,047 --> 01:56:59,548
Thank you, sir.

1743
01:56:59,548 --> 01:57:05,266
Thank you. My name is Don Barnett. I live
on— at 2632 Double Branch.

1744
01:57:05,266 --> 01:57:11,740
I'm speaking about development in Double
Branch because the The Double Branch

1745
01:57:11,740 --> 01:57:17,206
developer is the same developer working on
the Ridgeline project.

1746
01:57:17,206 --> 01:57:21,999
I realize the Ridgeline project is kind of
off track now,

1747
01:57:21,999 --> 01:57:25,783
but I still think our experience is
relevant,

1748
01:57:25,783 --> 01:57:29,819
as I am sure the Ridgeline project will be
back.

1749
01:57:29,819 --> 01:57:33,771
So I'm just— just a little bit, be less
than 3—

1750
01:57:33,771 --> 01:57:38,816
much less than 3 minutes on our experience
on Double Branch.

1751
01:57:38,816 --> 01:57:45,291
This developer put 16 new driveways On a
half-mile stretch of a steep hill on

1752
01:57:45,291 --> 01:57:45,795
half-mile stretch of a steep hill on
Double

1753
01:57:45,795 --> 01:57:52,018
Branch Road, a narrow tar and chip road.
That's part of a 23-home project.

1754
01:57:52,018 --> 01:57:56,895
About less than half are underway now as
far as builds go.

1755
01:57:56,895 --> 01:58:01,351
But 16 new driveways, which I have a
picture of here,

1756
01:58:01,351 --> 01:58:05,808
which I have one for everybody. You can
get it later.

1757
01:58:05,808 --> 01:58:09,844
I realize it's not as relevant as it was
before.

1758
01:58:09,844 --> 01:58:14,132
One of the driveways has to be seen to be
believed.

1759
01:58:14,132 --> 01:58:17,664
It is not 10 feet from the top of a ridge,

1760
01:58:17,664 --> 01:58:21,868
affording no view of what is coming over
the hill.

1761
01:58:21,868 --> 01:58:28,006
I stood there and watched a 13-foot
18-wheeler come by, and yes, I could,

1762
01:58:28,006 --> 01:58:34,985
I could see the roof of the 18-wheeler and
A little bit before I saw the 18-wheeler

1763
01:58:34,985 --> 01:58:41,796
itself. But that's the kind of driveway,
like I said, 10 feet from a blind ridge.

1764
01:58:41,796 --> 01:58:46,505
It's possible they don't plan on using it.
I don't know.

1765
01:58:46,505 --> 01:58:52,643
But off of that driveway are 2 home sites,
which brings up another issue.

1766
01:58:52,643 --> 01:58:59,370
The developer, when originally came into
this area, showed plans for large lots,

1767
01:58:59,370 --> 01:59:00,968
5 acres and higher.

1768
01:59:00,968 --> 01:59:01,401
Yes.

1769
01:59:02,268 --> 01:59:03,759
According to neighbors,

1770
01:59:03,759 --> 01:59:08,687
verbal promises were made to potential
buyers about estate lots, mini farms—

1771
01:59:08,687 --> 01:59:11,540
meaning miniature farms, not, not, not
many—

1772
01:59:11,540 --> 01:59:15,430
mini farms with deed restrictions to
guarantee this outcome.

1773
01:59:15,430 --> 01:59:17,959
This has not turned out to be the case.

1774
01:59:17,959 --> 01:59:20,163
Among the new lots, again, on our—

1775
01:59:20,163 --> 01:59:24,896
I'm talking about like just a half mile
where there are 16 new driveways.

1776
01:59:24,896 --> 01:59:28,592
Uh, there are 4 drive— 4 lots that are
less than 5 acres,

1777
01:59:28,592 --> 01:59:30,408
2 lots that are less than 3.

1778
01:59:30,408 --> 01:59:35,530
And do we— are we sure there won't be
further subdivision of these larger lots,

1779
01:59:35,530 --> 01:59:38,058
yet more cars on this very narrow road?

1780
01:59:38,058 --> 01:59:43,245
I realize the developer may have gotten
case-by-case Planning Commission waivers

1781
01:59:43,245 --> 01:59:43,440
case-by-case Planning Commission waivers
for

1782
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:48,368
the smaller lots, but the development was
never considered as a subdivision,

1783
01:59:48,368 --> 01:59:53,036
which could have triggered a more
comprehensive study of overall impact.

1784
01:59:53,036 --> 01:59:57,834
After all, in state documents, it is named
Blackberry Meadows Subdivision.

1785
01:59:57,834 --> 01:59:59,455
That's what they call it.

1786
01:59:59,455 --> 02:00:03,475
And they even have an East Subdivision and
a West Subdivision.

1787
02:00:03,475 --> 02:00:07,689
Verbal promises, again, made about what's—
what's— what the size.

1788
02:00:07,689 --> 02:00:12,228
Okay, verbal promises about water
availability when there was no water

1789
02:00:12,228 --> 02:00:12,617
availability when there was no water
there.

1790
02:00:12,617 --> 02:00:16,961
Some had to move in without water. Their
water was hooked up later.

1791
02:00:16,961 --> 02:00:20,657
Um, I believe if it had been considered as
a subdivision,

1792
02:00:20,657 --> 02:00:25,520
water would have been proactively
confirmed rather than reactively reacting

1793
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:26,038
confirmed rather than reactively reacting
to facts

1794
02:00:26,038 --> 02:00:30,901
on the ground. At any rate, I'm looking at
this as a resident and a layman.

1795
02:00:30,901 --> 02:00:34,078
I'm not pretending to be an expert in
everything,

1796
02:00:34,078 --> 02:00:39,330
and I do understand there's an incredible
amount of expertise that goes into what

1797
02:00:39,330 --> 02:00:44,193
you do. But I do think this is a— this is
one developer who needs guidance.

1798
02:00:44,193 --> 02:00:44,339
Thank you.

1799
02:00:44,708 --> 02:00:49,550
especially if we want to protect future
home purchasers from fraudsters. Thank

1800
02:00:49,550 --> 02:00:49,798
home purchasers from fraudsters. Thank
you.

1801
02:00:49,798 --> 02:00:55,291
Thank you, sir. Scott.

1802
02:00:55,291 --> 02:00:57,466
Scott Sumner, District 5.

1803
02:00:57,466 --> 02:01:03,556
I wasn't planning on speaking this
evening, but I feel like I need to.

1804
02:01:03,556 --> 02:01:09,037
I feel, I feel like every development,
residential, commercial,

1805
02:01:09,037 --> 02:01:14,344
should go through the Planning Commission.
Every one of them.

1806
02:01:14,344 --> 02:01:19,390
I believe there's a state law. It's not a
loophole, right?

1807
02:01:19,390 --> 02:01:22,435
It's state law that allows certain,

1808
02:01:22,435 --> 02:01:28,611
certain developments to not have to go
through the Planning Commission.

1809
02:01:28,611 --> 02:01:34,527
So I feel like everything should go
through the Planning Commission.

1810
02:01:34,527 --> 02:01:36,702
And I hope that you guys,

1811
02:01:36,702 --> 02:01:43,314
and I want you guys and the county
commission to try to work on something to

1812
02:01:43,314 --> 02:01:43,923
commission to try to work on something to
send to

1813
02:01:43,923 --> 02:01:50,709
our state legislatures to try to get them
to see what we've been through here.

1814
02:01:50,709 --> 02:01:54,015
Like District 5, District 9, no, 8, 9?

1815
02:01:54,015 --> 02:01:54,740
9.

1816
02:01:54,740 --> 02:01:59,593
9. Those are, I mean, I've had a lot of
calls about Double Branch Road.

1817
02:01:59,593 --> 02:02:03,147
My constituents out there, they're going
through it,

1818
02:02:03,147 --> 02:02:06,428
and it's unbelievable what they've gone
through.

1819
02:02:06,428 --> 02:02:08,615
The folks that have lived there,

1820
02:02:08,615 --> 02:02:14,151
the folks that have moved into their new
homes without water or not being able to

1821
02:02:14,151 --> 02:02:17,842
move into their homes without being able
to get water.

1822
02:02:17,842 --> 02:02:23,037
We finally got them water on a temporary
water line, not the new water line.

1823
02:02:23,037 --> 02:02:28,573
But I would like to see you guys Work with
the county commission on trying to fix

1824
02:02:28,573 --> 02:02:34,110
that state law that would allow everything
to go through the planning commission.

1825
02:02:34,110 --> 02:02:39,031
That way, that way everything is
scrutinized by someone— or not someone,

1826
02:02:39,031 --> 02:02:43,474
but somebody, a body, a planning
commission, a county commission.

1827
02:02:43,474 --> 02:02:47,780
So I would hope maybe Robert can get
something going with that,

1828
02:02:47,780 --> 02:02:49,625
with what the state law is.

1829
02:02:49,625 --> 02:02:51,949
I don't know what the TCA code is,

1830
02:02:51,949 --> 02:02:56,529
but But there is TCA code out there that
does allow this to happen.

1831
02:02:56,529 --> 02:03:01,586
And I would hope that you guys would
potentially send us something that we

1832
02:03:01,586 --> 02:03:01,928
potentially send us something that we
could

1833
02:03:01,928 --> 02:03:07,191
send to our state reps and they could try
to get something going and get that

1834
02:03:07,191 --> 02:03:07,738
amended.

1835
02:03:07,948 --> 02:03:11,879
Thank you. Thank you,

1836
02:03:11,879 --> 02:03:15,435
Scott. Anyone else?

1837
02:03:15,435 --> 02:03:19,778
Please.

1838
02:03:22,778 --> 02:03:25,727
Everyone, Chris Gramling, um, from
District 9.

1839
02:03:25,727 --> 02:03:30,023
Another thing that you should be aware of
regarding this developer,

1840
02:03:30,023 --> 02:03:33,999
they also own a real— a realty. It's
called Wild Olive Realty.

1841
02:03:33,999 --> 02:03:38,679
Most of their transactions we've seen go
through that when they buy land.

1842
02:03:38,679 --> 02:03:43,745
Well, uh, their broker in charge has been
warned by the Real Estate Commission,

1843
02:03:43,745 --> 02:03:47,528
and you can look this up on the, on the,
the commerce site,

1844
02:03:47,528 --> 02:03:50,669
warned over their affiliates' advertising
claims.

1845
02:03:50,669 --> 02:03:54,452
Black— Sam Blackmon, Troy Blackmon's son
himself, has been—

1846
02:03:54,452 --> 02:03:59,005
I don't know what the word— I think he has
a fine or he's got a strike.

1847
02:03:59,005 --> 02:04:00,544
You can see it on there.

1848
02:04:00,544 --> 02:04:05,737
And then at the fire station thing out in
Santa Fe that I think many of you know,

1849
02:04:05,737 --> 02:04:10,610
they uncharacteristically used a different
real estate agent as their buyer.

1850
02:04:10,610 --> 02:04:15,868
And to me, it felt like they were trying
to do this as if they were a straw buyer.

1851
02:04:15,868 --> 02:04:17,535
I know the seller's agent,

1852
02:04:17,535 --> 02:04:21,446
and the seller's agent does not approve of
breaking up farms.

1853
02:04:21,446 --> 02:04:22,729
When they bought it,

1854
02:04:22,729 --> 02:04:27,922
they used a company called FM Provisions
and another one called Provisions Living

1855
02:04:27,922 --> 02:04:32,090
Trust, which would seem innocuous. They're
not Wild Olive Realty.

1856
02:04:32,090 --> 02:04:36,578
They're not Blackman. They're none of
Double Branch Partners Seagrove.

1857
02:04:36,578 --> 02:04:37,925
They're none of that.

1858
02:04:37,925 --> 02:04:41,708
Well, that guy just had his license
suspended on July 29th,

1859
02:04:41,708 --> 02:04:43,311
and I have proof of that.

1860
02:04:43,311 --> 02:04:45,491
So that's what we're dealing with,

1861
02:04:45,491 --> 02:04:50,107
and that's why I say please look behind
the curtain. The Wizard of Oz is

1862
02:04:50,107 --> 02:04:50,748
the curtain. The Wizard of Oz is
operating.

1863
02:04:50,748 --> 02:04:52,800
We got to pull the curtain back.

1864
02:04:52,881 --> 02:04:55,380
Thank you. Thank you, sir.

1865
02:04:55,380 --> 02:05:02,011
We have anybody else that would like to
speak during our open comment

1866
02:05:02,011 --> 02:05:06,336
period? Okay. Mr. Delk, you've got the
floor.

1867
02:05:06,336 --> 02:05:11,244
I found some reports on where we are on a
comprehensive plan on each item,

1868
02:05:11,244 --> 02:05:12,570
and I appreciate it.

1869
02:05:12,570 --> 02:05:20,735
Okay.

1870
02:05:20,735 --> 02:05:27,456
He don't mind.

1871
02:05:30,456 --> 02:05:32,080
Anybody else have it? Debbie, you have the
floor.

1872
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:33,190
Move to adjourn. Second.

1873
02:05:33,190 --> 02:05:36,277
All right. Everyone in— all in favor say
aye.

1874
02:05:36,277 --> 02:05:36,823
Aye.

1875
02:05:36,823 --> 02:05:40,393
Those opposed? Motion carries. Motion—
meeting is adjourned.