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Oh, okay. All right, good evening, ladies
and gentlemen.

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Uh, gentlemen, we're going to call this
meeting to order of the Comprehensive Land

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Use Advisory Committee.

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Um, to order, um, our first order on the
agenda is going to be our prayer and

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pledge, and I've asked Commissioner Jerry
Strand if he would lead us in the prayer

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and Ms. Deborah Notley if she'd lead us in
the pledge.

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So if y'all would please rise, Mr. Strand
will lead us. You have the floor, sir.

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Heavenly Father, we thank you for this
opportunity to serve this great community.

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We thank you, Lord, for choosing each one
of us to help lead this community.

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And especially thank you for the community
that comes forward that speaks for the

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brothers and sisters here in Murray
County.

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We pray, Lord, that thy will be done and
decisions made will be decisions We thank

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you for this wonderful nation.

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We thank you for this wonderful state that
we live in,

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and this gracious county and the people
who live in it.

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Lord, we thank you for sending your Son
Jesus Christ to die for us,

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that we might live, we might find joy,
peace in this life.

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Go with us now as we meet as a community.
In your name we pray. Amen.

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Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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United States of America and to the
republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all. Thank
you all for that.

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Okay, our next item on the agenda,

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I want to tell everybody where our
emergency exits are.

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We've got right here to the right of
Robert, there's one back there in the

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Robert, there's one back there in the
back, uh,

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where the double doors are, and over here
between the 2 screens,

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if you go out that door to the end, you
can go right at the sundrop box,

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and that'll get you outside as well.

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We ask that you have your cell phone
silent for this.

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If you need to have any conversations,
please take it outside.

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Our agenda description here— this isn't so
much a debate or a meeting.

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This is a work session. This is a study
session.

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So tonight Our consultant is going to be
presenting to us the data that they've

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collected at the different meetings at the
different schools that we've gone to,

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and I was hoping— there he is here, Mr.
Perryman.

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Thank you for the generosity of the school
system and letting us use those

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facilities during summer break to do all
that,

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so please convey our thanks to the school
board and all—

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and whoever needs to go for doing that and
letting us do that,

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but all that data that's been collected,
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this body goes over that tonight,

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There is a table in front of the right
screen right there in which the public,

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if they want to look at that map as well
and make notes, that they can.

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So that said, the next thing we're going
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so there's really not so much an agenda or
a vote or things like that.

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Our consultant will talk about it more
when we get to that part.

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But the next thing we are going to do is
our public comment period.

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So in our— in the bylaws of this
committee, we have a 30-minute period set

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committee, we have a 30-minute period set
up.

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Anybody that wishes to come speak may come
forward and do so.

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Is there— There is a sign-up sheet.

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If somebody— yeah, Chris, is anybody
signed up back there? Yes, sir.

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Now, we will have another comment period
at the end of the meeting as well,

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so what we'll do, each person will just—
you'll come up,

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state your name and the district you live
in, and you'll have 3 minutes.

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So the first person I've got is Glenn
Alexander out of Cullioca.

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Yes, sir.

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Come on up to the podium, state your name,
the district you live in,

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and you'll have 3 minutes. Glenn
Alexander, a little bit of Collioca.

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I think it's 5th Civil District.

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My family has a pretty well ancient
history with Tennessee back before Andrew

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Jackson. Some of them Grandpa Fulton,
Tennesseans, Kings Mountain.

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The others followed Andrew Jackson down to
New Orleans and came back to Tennessee.

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So we love Tennessee.

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You know, people look at the Civil War and
they want to make it all bad,

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and it was bad, but the main issue That
these Southern folks didn't want outsiders

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telling them what to do. And that's really
the issue that we have here today.

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We have a handful of people, outsiders
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coming in and wanting to control our
property,

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wanting to control if you have a driveway,
wanting to control if you can—

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Right on a little country road,

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want to control that if you want to divide
your property up into 5 acres or larger

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without being micromanaged to do so.

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But I'll tell you, if you live in a house,

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what's wrong with your neighbor getting a
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If you have a driveway, what's wrong with
your neighbor getting a driveway?

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What would these people do that are so
vocal trying to control us have done if we

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had— Tennessee, 20 years ago, said we
don't want any more outsiders.

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If you're not from Tennessee born and
bred, you don't get in here.

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If we'd only known— knew— if we'd only
known what we know now,

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I wonder if we'd have put up some
roadblocks.

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But I'll tell you, what we're dealing with
here is someone telling you what to do

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with your property that you pay taxes on,
that you take care of,

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and that you've got to leave to your
children and your grandchildren.

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It goes back to the verse in the Bible, do
you love your neighbor as yourself?

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And are you going to leave this place
better or worse?

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Let's leave it in a better place.

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Sometimes leaving it in a better place is
leaving it the way we found it. Thank you.

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Yes, sir. All right. Next person signed up
is Theresa Sparks.

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And come on up, state your name and your
district, and you'll have 3 minutes,

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district, and you'll have 3 minutes,
ma'am.

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Theresa Sparks, District 9.

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Since we're talking about family history,

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let it be known that my family came down
the Cumberland River on the Donelson

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Flotilla to Fort Nashboro. That's how long
my family has been here.

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Way before Civil War, way before anything
else happened. I love Tennessee.

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It's an agriculture state, and we live in
an agriculture county.

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Like it or not, it's right here, and it's
right here.

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I'm here, so, You know, just on that
point, we have to feed people.

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A nation that can't feed people, a county
that can't feed people, is a nightmare.

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It's— you cannot defend yourself if you
can't feed people.

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If we don't have farmland, we can't feed
people.

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Period. End of story.

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There are 3 ways to protect our farmland
today. The greenbelt, that's economic.

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The AP district, which is a county
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which is a fabulous tool if we can get
people to use it.

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And the conservation easement, which— so
they kind of go in that order,

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but they can work together.

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So let's take the AP district.

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There are counties— I have a playbook that
I've written here.

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I'd love to pass this out to everybody.

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It compares all the counties around us—
Knox County, Wilson County, Coffee County—

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to what we're doing.

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And the AP District stands out as a
shining tool to be used for farmland

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preservation.

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And then I compare—

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I looked at every southeastern county and
how they have deployed the AP District,

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a voluntary AP District. And there's
incentives to do so, and there's great

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incentives to do so, and there's great
ideas.

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And so what I would like to propose
tonight is this body, as part of this land

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tonight is this body, as part of this land
map,

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that we look at a voluntary agriculture
preservation designation.

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And if my husband will stand up, on the
back of his shirt is—

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I didn't have enough room for it, but the
process is too lengthy.

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It's too cumbersome.

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Thank you.

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I didn't have all that real estate.

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We have an opportunity, and I outlined
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to do an opt-in to the AP district. It's a
simple form.

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It has to have legislative approval from
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whether that's the commission or whatever.
But it's a simple opt-in form.

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It's notarized, and that burden now falls
on the county And there's incentives in

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place to choose the AP district and to
elect the AP district and to move

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elect the AP district and to move
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voluntarily into the AP district.

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So I have copies I would love to hand out,

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but I think it's a seamless approach to
making this happen. All right.

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Thank you, Teresa. The next person we've
got is Dave Townsend.

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Sir, if you'll come up to the podium. Let
me reset this thing.

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Hello, I'm Dave Townsend. You have 3
minutes.

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Live off of Harlan Road on the north side
of town.

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I'm also a real estate agent, been in the
county in some capacity.

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I was a Central graduate in 1994, so I've
seen things change over the years.

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It's I get it. There's a lot of reaction
to this.

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One of the biggest problems I think that
we're having is because the national

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homebuilders are the ones who are coming
into the cities and they're utilizing

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into the cities and they're utilizing
sewer

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systems and the existing infrastructure to
expand outward.

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What I work with and who I work with are
mostly the local homebuilders.

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These are the guys who are building on
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building nice home developments,

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And they are getting squeezed out because
of the national home builders into the

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main areas, as well as the limitations
that we could be seeing with 5-acre lots.

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I want you to consider that if this body
decides to go after 5-acre lot minimums,

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what we are going to end up with are
really high lot prices.

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So you're looking $300,000 for some 5-acre
parcels and even more.

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There's a parcel on Old Zion Road I saw
today that was at $250,000.

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So you end up with some land value ratios
that you end up having problems with that

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you cannot get funding for.

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And I'm happy to explain that in more
detail, but I don't have a ton of time

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detail, but I don't have a ton of time
here.

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I have a document here I prepared for you
guys with 18 different negative things

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that a 5-acre lot could bring to Murray
County.

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And I'm an avid gardener too, and I love
the idea of agricultural preservation.

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That is A great thing if it is feasible.

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But you can't force a farmer to maintain
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If they leave it to the next generation,

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that next generation may not have any
interest in farming that property.

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So it's got to be a voluntary kind of
thing, and you cannot just—

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I think you take away people's property
rights when you start doing 5-acre lot

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minimums. One thing I thought of was if
you had a 9-acre lot and a guy wanted to

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leave 1 acre to one of his kids, with a
5-acre minimum, you couldn't do it.

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You would have one lot that was
nonconforming. You could not do that.

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So that's going to create a lot of
problems for people who maybe have

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problems for people who maybe have
thought, hey,

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I could leave an acre to one of my kids,

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but maybe they only had 5 to 10 acres to
begin with, and so they're out.

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So—

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So I want you to seriously consider the
implications of all these things,

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and if it's okay with y'all,

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I'll hand this document out so everybody
has a copy of it.

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Just give it to the person on the end and
he'll pass it down from there.

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Sounds good.

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Is that all you had? Okay. Next person on
the list is Kevin, and is it Byer?

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B— Byer? Yeah, Kevin Byer. It is Byer. I
got it right. Very good, sir.

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Please come up and state your name and
your district, please.

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I'm Kevin Byer in District 9. We reside at
2293 Frankmoor Road.

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Um, so I'm pretty concerned that the
advisory committee has been receiving

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advisory committee has been receiving
biased

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and incomplete picture of what the
community views are on the whole proposed

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community views are on the whole proposed
zoning

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changes. I think there's a small group of
people that are Overwhelming the public

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comment period. Overwhelming the public
comment period to try to attempt to get

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downzoning through. Also, there's, I
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an attempt to pressure other people to
adopt that position.

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I think the will of the people should
really be—

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should reflect the broader community, not
just a small number of people. Thank you.

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My wife and I have lived on Frank Moore
Road in Collioca for about the last 5

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Road in Collioca for about the last 5
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We bought our farm 18 years ago and have
farmed cow-calf operations since then.

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I didn't come from a lot of money. I
worked really hard for everything I have.

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I didn't inherit anything. And so we have
500 acres and about 200 mama cows.

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It's a lot of work. And so I don't— I'm— I
don't think it's fair for individual—

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a small individual— a small group of
individuals to come in and try to downzone

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individuals to come in and try to downzone
our

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properties. What that—

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what happens with that is we lose a
tremendous amount of property value.

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And I have no intent of selling or
developing our property.

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I want to keep it the way it is.

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But I also don't want my kids to to lose a
lot of potential funds that they have in

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the future. I don't know if they'll ever
want to farm.

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I hope they do, but there's a good chance
they won't. Okay?

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So I don't think that this area is at risk
of a big development spurge or

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development activity anytime soon. The
infrastructure is not there.

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We don't have the water. We don't have the
road system yet.

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We don't have the schools.

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And just as the past speakers spoke about,

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the realtor said there are a lot of
negatives when you downzone.

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When you downzone and go to 5 acres,

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that causes urban sprawl to occur because
you have a lot fewer lots available closer

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to the city. And so you end up developing
farther out. They're more expensive lots.

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And so a lot of these farms will probably
get broken up. If you do that.

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So I think it may have the opposite intent
of what people want to do.

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You know, there's a comment, I think,

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by some that downzoning or forming these
agricultural corridors doesn't impact the

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value. Well, it really dramatically does.

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I think, you know, in reality, when
properties get downzoned,

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there's dramatic loss in property values.

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Yes.

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And I think it's not fair for the
community to make the farmers and the

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community to make the farmers and the
landowners

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bear that— bear that downzone, that
financial cost.

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The concerns that I think that I have, my
wife has,

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and I think a lot of the farmers in the
community is that downzone will result in

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severe land devaluation.

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That will reduce the amount that we can
pass on to our children.

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And I've worked hard for what I have.

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And I don't think it's fair for people to
come in and take that without

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remuneration. I think if you want to
remunerate—

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if you want to take a lot of property
value,

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then someone should be responsible for
paying for that.

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And how is Murray County going to do that?
Give me 15 more seconds.

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All right.

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Downloading farms for the benefit of
others in the community is inherently

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others in the community is inherently
unfair.

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It's— you're taking the property value
rights of people who own property, um,

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and it shifts the financial burden to
those farmers and the property values so

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those farmers and the property values so
that

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other— others benefit.

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And as mentioned, the downzoning has the
opposite effect that I think a lot of

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people believe it will. It accelerates
rural sprawl. It raises housing costs.

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It restricts supply,

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and it ultimately results in a lot of
well-funded developers to come in and

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ultimately buy properties cheap and then
get them rezoned.

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So anyway, I appreciate your time. Thank
you. All right. Thank you, sir.

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Next person up is Stanley Scott.

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Sir, come on up and state your name and
your district, and you'll have 3 minutes,

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sir. Stanley Scott. I'm in the 9th
District,

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and my address is 2241 Mooresville Pike.

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I've lived in Culeoaka my entire life on
my, my 6th generational farm.

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This is where I intend to stay.

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If you go down the road just a couple of
miles,

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you can say we're 9 or 10 generations.

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And I had ancestors fought in the
Revolutionary War.

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My family and ancestors fought the British
for more than 1,000 years in Scotland and

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Ireland so we could have freedom from a
tyrannical, overbearing government.

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Then we came to America and fought them
again to have freedom with an unmeasured

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amount of blood and treasure.

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Now it looks like we're gonna— Just make
it a little closer in there. Okay.

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Now it looks like we're gonna have
someone, in my opinion,

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try to diminish our right To truly own our
property and dictate what we do.

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I say, why is it not mine to do as I see
fit?

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Property rights are one of the main
freedoms we have to be able to buy or sell

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freedoms we have to be able to buy or sell
to

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whoever we choose. I think it's— I look at
it like it's—

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you're trying to do maybe like you're
going to eat an elephant one bite at a

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going to eat an elephant one bite at a
time

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and you start You know, you do take this
right from us and what are you going—

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right from us and what are you going—
what,

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you go down that road, what right are you
going to take from us next?

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I never intend to sell my farmland when—
but when you go down that road,

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where are you going to stop? Which rights
are you planning on taking away next?

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Careful what you wish for is what I have
to say.

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I for sure do not want anyone—

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someone that come in from a transplant
from another part of the country and tell

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from another part of the country and tell
me

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what I can or cannot do with my property.

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And I'm probably ready to fight for it
too.

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I think, you know, somebody's going to
have to make some tough decisions and

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have to make some tough decisions and
decide

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whether to put some impact fees on it.

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I hear you can't do that because of state
laws, but get that changed.

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But, you know, don't take my property
rights away from me.

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I don't ever want a foot of my property
sold, but I can't, you know,

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I can't rule but so much from the grave.
But it won't be sold in my lifetime.

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But I don't want somebody else telling me
what I can or can't do with it.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you for that.

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Okay.

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And let's see, next on the list is Chris
Grambling. You have the floor, sir.

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Give us your name and district. You'll
have 3 minutes. Thanks. Chris Grambling.

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Sorry.

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Chris Grambling.

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District 9. A couple points.

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I would say that property rights don't
exist in a vacuum.

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I don't think anyone wants me saying under
the, you know,

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the banner of I can do anything I want
with my property,

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that I'm just going to build a manure
lagoon feet away from your house.

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I think that there's a very big difference
between a family or a person owning a

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piece of property and doing reasonably
what they want with it versus that person

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selling to a corporation, a general
partnership.

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There's a very different thing between a
land developer and a person doing what

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land developer and a person doing what
they

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want to do with something.

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I'd also say that although I agree with
Dave Townsend about the 5-acre thing,

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I would say we should consider that the AP
does allow us to peel off acreage for

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families. There's the ability for the
families to subdivide.

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So I just want to make sure that that's
understood.

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But I also would say that, and I've said
here before,

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the county is not homogeneous in its
nature.

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Right outside that door is very different
from my neighborhood in Culioca.

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And we shouldn't say that any one—

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we shouldn't say that all areas should be
5-acre minimums or 1-acre minimum.

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It should be applied.

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Applied in a sensible manner that respects
the nature of the area.

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I think we also need to consider that it
doesn't—

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the so-called downzoning doesn't degrade
the property value.

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I mean, look at Leapers Fork. Look at
what's happened up there.

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You know, Aubrey— everyone knows what
Aubrey Preston did up there.

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And that's one of the most valuable areas
for real estate there is around here.

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So I think we need to consider that. And I
forgot my train of thought.

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Pardon?

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If you'll humor me for just a moment,
please.

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Oh, there's a very big difference between
a property owner having a family farm that

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are contiguous acres and those that are
spread out, that are non-contiguous.

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And I question what the motive is about
that.

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Is it about money or is it really about
farming?

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And then the last thought I forgot, so
I'll talk to you guys afterwards. Thank

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I'll talk to you guys afterwards. Thank
you.

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All right. Thank you, sir. Next one up is
Dustin Kittle.

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Uh, sir, if you'll come up and give us
your name and your district,

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you'll have 3 minutes. I'll defer to the
end if that's okay. Absolutely.

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All right, we'll do that at the end. Very
good.

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That was the last person that has signed
up for public comments.

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So that said, next item on the agenda is
that we're going to turn it over to our

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consultants. Welcome back, and, uh, you
have the floor, ma'am.

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All right, thank you.

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Pull that mic down so we can hear you
good.

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All right. Is that good?

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Yes.

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Okay. So tonight we're going to have kind
of a work session around the future land

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use map. And we've already been kind of on
a journey with this map,

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but I figured it might be helpful to kind
of go back and start with just kind of a

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refresher of what your existing future
land use map looks like and how it works.

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So to start, a future land use map is a
very key element of a comprehensive plan.

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It's really kind of the key focus.

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It's what people are going to look at
first and refer to the most.

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And so it is a very critical part of the
plan and the planning process.

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The future land use map establishes the
vision for the community.

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It is not legally binding.

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No designation on a future land use map
will change your zoning, change your

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will change your zoning, change your
taxes,

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change change or anything. It's a vision.

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So it does not involve any legalness at
all.

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But the kind of the purpose of how the
future land use map is used is that when

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somebody comes in for rezoning of their
property,

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they want to develop their property,

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you're going to look at what the future
land use map says.

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You know, what does it recommend in terms
of uses, in terms of lot sizes,

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and does that development match what the
plan is saying.

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And making a decision when the Planning
Commission and the boards make a decision

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based off of the recommendations of the
comprehensive plan, that gives you that,

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that foundation for why the board made
that decision.

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So that's, again, future land use maps.

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Your current Murray County future land use
map looks like this.

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So And there's what, like 12 or so
categories?

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It was set up where you had kind of these
bigger categories and then these smaller

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categories that lived within the bigger
categories.

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It was kind of a confusing setup,

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and my guess is it wasn't used to kind of
the level that it was maybe intended to be

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used. And so I didn't think that this kind
of organization of a future land use map

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was maybe your guys' like kind of ideal
configuration.

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But again, this is kind of where we
started.

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And then when we started looking at the
future land use map,

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when we kind of look at it in a vacuum,

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This is where we went and what we brought
to the public meetings last week.

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So we took kind of the feedback—

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so we kind of showed the existing future
land use map at the school public

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land use map at the school public
meetings,

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and we got some feedback on the map.

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But mainly those meetings were about the
goals and objectives.

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So these are really the first times we're
really talking about the map.

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Okay.

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And so when we had our meeting last week,

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I brought this map that no one had seen
before and included the,

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the urban growth boundaries on it.

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So this map had the urban growth
boundaries, which was this blue dotted

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boundaries, which was this blue dotted
line,

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is your existing approved urban growth
boundaries,

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and the dotted areas are the proposed
growth areas, just to give you the

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growth areas, just to give you the
context.

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And so What I had on this map was a
combination of this green area,

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the green area of the county being
proposed as 1 unit per 5-acre lot.

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So agricultural and residential, 1 acre
per 5— 1 unit per 5 acres.

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The yellow being rural residential of 1
unit per 1 acre. So a 1-to-1.

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Okay.

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And then the orange was 4 units to an
acre, and I went too far.

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So in my head, when I was looking at this
from kind of a planning standpoint,

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you know, the areas within the urban
growth boundary kind of makes sense for

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growth boundary kind of makes sense for
more of

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a suburban development, but it doesn't
make sense for your guys' community.

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And so we went too far with this.

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We had a great conversation, and, you
know,

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we discussed basically getting rid of this
suburban orange residential,

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which was the 4 units per acre,

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and pulling back the yellow so that the
map would be mostly green with some yellow

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kind of buffers around the cities.

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And so that's— we kind of got that
feedback last week and then have this

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feedback last week and then have this
updated map

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for you today to review.

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So again, that was just sort of the
evolution of how we got to where we are

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evolution of how we got to where we are
today.

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The proposed map that we have in front of
you today is by far not the final.

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Every version and iteration of this is
something for you all to react to,

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for the public to react to.

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You know, this map is not final until that
plan is adopted.

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And so we want the feedback, and I'll kind
of explain mainly, you know,

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what feedback would be the most helpful.

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I mean, but any and all feedback is
welcome.

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So before we dive into the map,

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I just want to go over kind of the future
land use framework that I've set up here.

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So in your existing map, again, you guys
have like 12 different categories.

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There's kind of these layers. I wanted to
simplify it. And just establish 6.

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So right now we have 6 future land use
categories.

436
00:29:37,953 --> 00:29:44,388
If that becomes 5 or 7 or 8, you know, we
can add, we can take away as this evolves.

437
00:29:44,388 --> 00:29:48,678
But we have 6 on this map that you are
looking at today.

438
00:29:48,678 --> 00:29:53,964
So the green area on the map, which is
again the majority of the map,

439
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:57,948
is identified as this agricultural and
conservation.

440
00:29:57,948 --> 00:29:58,141
Okay.

441
00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:02,779
So this district would be, you know, your
working farms,

442
00:30:02,779 --> 00:30:07,342
your very low-density residential, you
know, your very rural,

443
00:30:07,342 --> 00:30:11,681
the things that you have going on in your
rural areas now.

444
00:30:11,681 --> 00:30:14,822
And so you kind of can see here, you know,

445
00:30:14,822 --> 00:30:19,834
we have a sort of a setup purpose
statement, some appropriate uses.

446
00:30:19,834 --> 00:30:24,771
Again, this wouldn't rezone by any means
or change permitted uses.

447
00:30:24,771 --> 00:30:30,307
It's just supposed to kind of give that
intent, that vision for that area.

448
00:30:30,307 --> 00:30:36,216
So each district is gonna have a purpose
statement, a list of appropriate uses,

449
00:30:36,216 --> 00:30:39,582
and then kind of some character
descriptions.

450
00:30:39,582 --> 00:30:45,492
And then as this evolves into the actual
planning document, we'll add pictures,

451
00:30:45,492 --> 00:30:48,559
we'll add more additional text, you know,

452
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,449
to further kind of explain what these
districts are.

453
00:30:52,449 --> 00:30:58,283
So this is your low-density residential,
agricultural, rural forestry, natural

454
00:30:58,283 --> 00:30:58,657
agricultural, rural forestry, natural
area.

455
00:30:58,657 --> 00:31:04,417
And the recommended density for that at
the moment is 1 dwelling per 5 acres,

456
00:31:04,417 --> 00:31:06,736
and I made this little graphic.

457
00:31:06,736 --> 00:31:11,299
And so that's the agriculture—
agricultural and conservation.

458
00:31:11,299 --> 00:31:14,291
So then the yellow is rural residential.

459
00:31:14,291 --> 00:31:19,976
So this becomes your 1-to-1 residential
density of 1 dwelling unit per acre,

460
00:31:19,976 --> 00:31:25,063
represented by that graphic. So you can
kind of see that difference.

461
00:31:25,063 --> 00:31:26,933
And this would be, again,

462
00:31:26,933 --> 00:31:32,693
very similar in terms of like the uses and
allowances as the agricultural and

463
00:31:32,693 --> 00:31:38,303
conservation, just having that smaller lot
size and kind of serving as that

464
00:31:38,303 --> 00:31:44,213
transition between your rural areas and
your more developed areas in the cities

465
00:31:44,213 --> 00:31:44,437
your more developed areas in the cities
and

466
00:31:44,437 --> 00:31:50,421
things like that. So the intent again is
sort of for that yellow area to be that

467
00:31:50,421 --> 00:31:55,733
transition. So we go from, you know, Big
lot agricultural to, you know,

468
00:31:55,733 --> 00:31:59,174
slightly smaller to then the cities, you
know,

469
00:31:59,174 --> 00:32:04,410
and their more urban suburban development
patterns. So that's those 2.

470
00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,300
The 3rd category, I had it called hamlets
last time.

471
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:13,835
We call little kind of these little
crossroad or rural crossroads or rural

472
00:32:13,835 --> 00:32:18,099
communities, a lot of times we call them
hamlets in Ohio.

473
00:32:18,099 --> 00:32:21,764
But we're now— I changed it to rural
communities,

474
00:32:21,764 --> 00:32:27,823
but this designation is blue on the map.
You'll see it's very small and targeted.

475
00:32:27,823 --> 00:32:33,957
It is for the— like a designation for the
existing kind of small rural communities

476
00:32:33,957 --> 00:32:39,568
like Collioca, like downtown, like the
Santa Fe, Williamsport, those areas.

477
00:32:39,568 --> 00:32:45,103
And so where we have kind of, you know,
usually there's a major crossroad.

478
00:32:45,103 --> 00:32:50,414
There's going to be a couple, you know,
couple buildings or businesses,

479
00:32:50,414 --> 00:32:56,099
maybe a little bit of slightly denser
residential right around where there's

480
00:32:56,099 --> 00:32:56,398
residential right around where there's
that

481
00:32:56,398 --> 00:33:01,934
kind of service and commercial uses, but
it gets pretty rural pretty fast.

482
00:33:01,934 --> 00:33:04,402
So that is the rural communities.

483
00:33:04,402 --> 00:33:08,591
The corridor commercial, this is new from
last week too.

484
00:33:08,591 --> 00:33:11,583
So this is the darker purple on the map.

485
00:33:11,583 --> 00:33:15,847
We didn't have kind of an in-between
commercial category.

486
00:33:15,847 --> 00:33:21,383
And so this district is sort of intended
to serve as the county roads that

487
00:33:21,383 --> 00:33:22,056
to serve as the county roads that
currently

488
00:33:22,056 --> 00:33:27,068
have or are intended to have kind of that
commercial corridor uses.

489
00:33:27,068 --> 00:33:32,529
You know, where you have like on 31 in the
areas of the county, you know,

490
00:33:32,529 --> 00:33:35,147
and there's commercial development,

491
00:33:35,147 --> 00:33:38,962
those areas are the areas going out to the
highway.

492
00:33:38,962 --> 00:33:44,347
So I believe most of the areas that we
have highlighted as this corridor

493
00:33:44,347 --> 00:33:45,096
have highlighted as this corridor
commercial

494
00:33:45,096 --> 00:33:49,883
are areas that are currently zoned
commercial on the zoning map.

495
00:33:49,883 --> 00:33:55,792
So those should just kind of be in line
with what they would be permitted to do

496
00:33:55,792 --> 00:33:58,635
today. Employment is the light purple.

497
00:33:58,635 --> 00:34:03,722
That's, again, you're going to be intended
for your more industrial,

498
00:34:03,722 --> 00:34:05,816
more large-scale employment.

499
00:34:05,816 --> 00:34:10,678
Those areas on the map are your currently
zoned industrial areas.

500
00:34:10,678 --> 00:34:14,493
So future land use maps don't have to
mimic zoning,

501
00:34:14,493 --> 00:34:20,777
but for communities where you want to kind
of reinforce your zoning and that the map

502
00:34:20,777 --> 00:34:26,612
can be kind of used as a, you know, we
want to keep industrial in these areas,

503
00:34:26,612 --> 00:34:29,304
we want to kind of keep it You know,

504
00:34:29,304 --> 00:34:35,064
the map is a way that we can kind of
determine if you all want to expand some

505
00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:35,214
determine if you all want to expand some
of

506
00:34:35,214 --> 00:34:40,974
these industrial employment areas or if
you just kind of want to maintain the

507
00:34:40,974 --> 00:34:41,348
you just kind of want to maintain the
areas

508
00:34:41,348 --> 00:34:45,387
that exist today, kind of without
extensive expansion.

509
00:34:45,387 --> 00:34:51,372
So employment, office, industrial, you
know, business parks, corporate campuses,

510
00:34:51,372 --> 00:34:56,533
supporting uses, you know, kind of what
you think of with employment.

511
00:34:56,533 --> 00:35:00,049
And then lastly, we have regional
interchanges.

512
00:35:00,049 --> 00:35:05,135
So this is a district that only applies To
the interchanges with 65.

513
00:35:05,135 --> 00:35:10,072
If we— I'm not sure there's anywhere else
it would be appropriate,

514
00:35:10,072 --> 00:35:16,206
but there could be some other areas of the
county where we have kind of major road

515
00:35:16,206 --> 00:35:19,573
intersections that this might be
appropriate.

516
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:24,734
But I look at this as the more
high-intensity commercial developments

517
00:35:24,734 --> 00:35:25,557
high-intensity commercial developments
that happen

518
00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:27,651
around highway interchanges.

519
00:35:27,651 --> 00:35:32,738
You know, you have your hotels, your
restaurants, your gas stations.

520
00:35:32,738 --> 00:35:32,995
Okay.

521
00:35:33,328 --> 00:35:38,661
your fast food. You know, you could have
services, entertainment uses maybe,

522
00:35:38,661 --> 00:35:41,609
maybe professional uses, things like that.

523
00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:46,030
So your more kind of intense commercial
development, but again,

524
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:51,644
those should be pretty tight to those
areas around that interchange without kind

525
00:35:51,644 --> 00:35:51,785
areas around that interchange without kind
of

526
00:35:51,785 --> 00:35:54,241
snaking into the surrounding areas.

527
00:35:54,241 --> 00:36:00,065
So that's the idea of those Of kind of the
6 categories and how they would apply to

528
00:36:00,065 --> 00:36:03,855
the map. So in all these discussions, if
we, you know,

529
00:36:03,855 --> 00:36:09,469
if you're thinking about the map and you
feel like there's another category that

530
00:36:09,469 --> 00:36:13,960
we're missing that we should add, you
know, let's talk about it.

531
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,364
If we need to do something different,
again, this is all draft at this point.

532
00:36:19,364 --> 00:36:25,048
Nothing is set in stone. So happy to, you
know, kind of hear what you guys think.

533
00:36:25,048 --> 00:36:30,873
think if you think these 6 categories kind
of accurately depict the different areas

534
00:36:30,873 --> 00:36:35,084
of the county, or if you think that we're
missing something.

535
00:36:35,084 --> 00:36:40,558
So maybe we can just start with if there's
any feedback on these 6 categories,

536
00:36:40,558 --> 00:36:46,102
and then we can start kind of looking
about how those categories are applied to

537
00:36:46,102 --> 00:36:46,312
about how those categories are applied to
the

538
00:36:46,312 --> 00:36:49,049
map. So any comments on the categories?

539
00:36:49,049 --> 00:36:54,158
Hit your button if you want to speak up.

540
00:36:57,158 --> 00:36:57,499
Okay.

541
00:36:57,499 --> 00:37:05,012
Thank you, Chair. Can, can we put a map up
on screen?

542
00:37:05,012 --> 00:37:05,528
Yeah.

543
00:37:05,528 --> 00:37:07,766
Thank you.

544
00:37:07,766 --> 00:37:13,782
The current proposed one? The one that I
have on the tables? Yeah.

545
00:37:13,782 --> 00:37:17,975
Well, that's— there we go. So I'll zoom it
in.

546
00:37:17,975 --> 00:37:22,898
So this is the map that we have printed on
the tables.

547
00:37:22,898 --> 00:37:27,729
So you can see that the majority of it is
that green,

548
00:37:27,729 --> 00:37:31,648
which is that agriculture and
conservation.

549
00:37:31,648 --> 00:37:37,847
And then we've pulled the rural
residential into kind of these areas

550
00:37:37,847 --> 00:37:38,758
residential into kind of these areas
around the

551
00:37:38,758 --> 00:37:45,868
cities. Where we had issues from kind of
looking at this in our little vacuum,

552
00:37:45,868 --> 00:37:50,517
you know, and not wanting to kind of make
the call,

553
00:37:50,517 --> 00:37:53,525
wanting you all to make the call,

554
00:37:53,525 --> 00:38:00,909
is these areas around like Mount Pleasant
and Coleeoka where the lot sizes around

555
00:38:00,909 --> 00:38:03,188
the cities are all large.

556
00:38:03,188 --> 00:38:09,751
And I can't— if, you know, there's 2
40-acre parcels next to each other,

557
00:38:09,751 --> 00:38:12,759
I'm not going to say this parcel—

558
00:38:12,759 --> 00:38:12,855
Right.

559
00:38:13,336 --> 00:38:17,766
Should be suburban or rural and this one
should be agriculture.

560
00:38:17,766 --> 00:38:23,181
So that's where we kind of need feedback
and need to think through, you know,

561
00:38:23,181 --> 00:38:27,541
if there are existing large lots around
these developed areas,

562
00:38:27,541 --> 00:38:33,167
are there certain parcels that would like
prefer to be in the rural residential?

563
00:38:33,167 --> 00:38:38,160
You know, if there are certain property
owners that want to be in that.

564
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,481
Yeah.

565
00:38:39,043 --> 00:38:44,119
Let us know and we can, you know, identify
that or look, you know,

566
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,580
if it makes sense. Um, or the other thing,
sometimes with—

567
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:52,271
since a future land use map is not a legal
tool,

568
00:38:52,271 --> 00:38:56,270
it doesn't have to apply directly to
property lines.

569
00:38:56,270 --> 00:39:01,961
So the map that we have shown does, um,
but the property lines are really,

570
00:39:01,961 --> 00:39:05,653
really light. The next version of the map,
I'll—

571
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:05,797
Okay.

572
00:39:06,006 --> 00:39:11,391
make them darker. But one idea that you
all could consider is, you know,

573
00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:13,784
when we look at— oh, God, sorry.

574
00:39:13,784 --> 00:39:19,767
When we look at Coleoca, you know, we have
the little hamlet area in the center.

575
00:39:19,767 --> 00:39:22,758
The lots around it, it's kind of— again,

576
00:39:22,758 --> 00:39:28,667
it's hard for us to make the call of where
that boundary should be and if there

577
00:39:28,667 --> 00:39:32,182
should be any rural residential around
Coleoca.

578
00:39:32,182 --> 00:39:38,165
So— That's all up for discussion, but
what— instead of trying to identify, like,

579
00:39:38,165 --> 00:39:41,081
this parcel's in and this parcel's out,

580
00:39:41,081 --> 00:39:45,419
one thing you could do is just kind of
establish a buffer.

581
00:39:45,419 --> 00:39:51,103
And so if we said, like, you know, any
area within a mile or 5 miles of, you

582
00:39:51,103 --> 00:39:51,477
area within a mile or 5 miles of, you
know,

583
00:39:51,477 --> 00:39:56,862
the hamlet boundary or of this
intersection kind of would be appropriate

584
00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:57,460
intersection kind of would be appropriate
for that

585
00:39:57,460 --> 00:39:58,806
rural residential.

586
00:39:58,806 --> 00:39:59,065
Okay.

587
00:40:01,842 --> 00:40:04,391
So then it becomes sort of a fuzzy line.

588
00:40:04,391 --> 00:40:07,704
You know, it doesn't actually tie to
property lines.

589
00:40:07,704 --> 00:40:11,654
So if there's something like that that
feels more appropriate,

590
00:40:11,654 --> 00:40:13,821
that is something we can consider.

591
00:40:13,821 --> 00:40:18,854
I just threw a circle on this map to,
again, just show you kind of the idea of,

592
00:40:18,854 --> 00:40:21,849
you know, if we don't want to kind of
handpick,

593
00:40:21,849 --> 00:40:24,907
that is an option for you all to consider.
Okay.

594
00:40:25,366 --> 00:40:26,601
Jerry, was your light back on again?

595
00:40:26,601 --> 00:40:27,235
Oh, yeah.

596
00:40:27,235 --> 00:40:29,655
Okay, go ahead. Thanks, Chair.

597
00:40:29,655 --> 00:40:33,527
Yeah, if you pop that Culebra map back up
there,

598
00:40:33,527 --> 00:40:40,221
you're going to see that you can't build a
house in Culebra unless it's on 5 acres.

599
00:40:40,221 --> 00:40:41,915
That's rather absurd.

600
00:40:41,915 --> 00:40:45,384
Nobody can go in and build a house
outside,

601
00:40:45,384 --> 00:40:49,336
just outside Culebra Unless it's on a
5-acre lot.

602
00:40:49,336 --> 00:40:55,144
If somebody, if one of the local
contractors wants to build a house, I'm

603
00:40:55,144 --> 00:40:55,870
contractors wants to build a house, I'm
not sure.

604
00:40:55,870 --> 00:41:00,467
And I don't get me wrong, I don't want to
pile up houses.

605
00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:02,080
But when we do that,

606
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:08,614
if we're looking all that big restriction
and putting all the 5-acre houses in my

607
00:41:08,614 --> 00:41:14,986
mind, and I could be wrong, I see another
thing like we have on Trotwood stuff.

608
00:41:14,986 --> 00:41:17,406
All we're going to do is just.

609
00:41:17,406 --> 00:41:23,940
Pack our— the area that the majority of
the folks that live around in this county

610
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:29,747
live in and just pack it full of 1-acre or
1-acre and quarter-acre lots.

611
00:41:29,747 --> 00:41:34,506
And all we'll do is just make the traffic
much, much worse.

612
00:41:34,506 --> 00:41:41,040
Not that we want to peel it out, you know,
all over the county, but nevertheless,

613
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:47,493
we need to get off that 5-acre thing in
areas that people would want to live in.

614
00:41:47,493 --> 00:41:50,074
In my opinion, and could afford.

615
00:41:50,074 --> 00:41:54,268
The price of a house on a 5-acre lot would
be— well,

616
00:41:54,268 --> 00:41:59,027
I've worked my whole life and I doubt if I
could afford it.

617
00:41:59,027 --> 00:42:03,062
Yeah, and that's a perfect example of— I
agree, I 100% agree,

618
00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:08,618
but where do we draw that line? Where does
the line exist between 1-acre and 5-acre?

619
00:42:08,618 --> 00:42:10,139
You just drew the line.

620
00:42:10,626 --> 00:42:11,276
You just drew it.

621
00:42:11,276 --> 00:42:17,399
I just randomly threw a line on a map.
Without any analysis or—

622
00:42:17,399 --> 00:42:19,515
Okay, help me, help me understand,

623
00:42:19,515 --> 00:42:24,495
because it's difficult for all the folks
sitting up here and the people even out

624
00:42:24,495 --> 00:42:28,167
there. Who's going to decide where that
circle is? Is that—

625
00:42:28,167 --> 00:42:31,158
The collective.

626
00:42:31,158 --> 00:42:36,369
Yeah, what we're here to do. Yeah, but
we're just an advisory committee.

627
00:42:36,369 --> 00:42:41,579
The Planning Commission will do that once
we bring our findings to them.

628
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:47,715
So this was again the map that we looked
at last week.

629
00:42:47,715 --> 00:42:53,705
The blue dashed line is your— the current
urban growth boundary.

630
00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:59,882
And so that again could be used as a tool
to establish that buffer

631
00:42:59,882 --> 00:43:03,064
between the 1-acre and the 5-acre.

632
00:43:03,064 --> 00:43:08,211
But that current urban growth boundaries
Kind of crazy.

633
00:43:08,211 --> 00:43:11,507
Hit your light so we can get your light.

634
00:43:11,507 --> 00:43:17,110
Give me all— what you have there, the
current urban growth boundary,

635
00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:19,170
is that— how old is that?

636
00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:21,019
2005.

637
00:43:21,019 --> 00:43:26,031
And so does the county have a plan to
update that eventually?

638
00:43:26,031 --> 00:43:32,358
So, I mean, so I guess what I'm saying is
And then, you know, with that, Sam,

639
00:43:32,358 --> 00:43:36,219
that is a joint effort with the
municipalities.

640
00:43:36,219 --> 00:43:42,628
And once you open up the urban growth
boundaries, you got 6 months to complete

641
00:43:42,628 --> 00:43:42,875
boundaries, you got 6 months to complete
it.

642
00:43:42,875 --> 00:43:48,379
So some preliminary talks going into it
before you ever open it up.

643
00:43:48,379 --> 00:43:54,788
That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a
future undertaking that needs to occur.

644
00:43:54,788 --> 00:43:59,800
You're correct. But I guess what I'm
saying is, or, you know,

645
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:06,373
I guess what I'm getting at is if we do
All of this and go outside of or inside,

646
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:09,906
whatever, and then that changes in 2
years,

647
00:44:09,906 --> 00:44:13,275
then where does this stand at that point?

648
00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:18,780
Does it then overlay what the county
decides? Does that make sense?

649
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:23,646
Yeah. So at this point, again, your
existing urban growth boundary is 20 years

650
00:44:23,646 --> 00:44:23,896
existing urban growth boundary is 20 years
old.

651
00:44:23,992 --> 00:44:24,233
Sure.

652
00:44:24,393 --> 00:44:27,850
So you're going through the planning
process now.

653
00:44:27,850 --> 00:44:32,647
So ultimately you'll have a future land
use map that describes Sure.

654
00:44:32,647 --> 00:44:38,008
And that would be a good foundation to
relook at that urban growth boundary.

655
00:44:38,008 --> 00:44:43,017
And so one of the just, you know,
discussions that we had last week was

656
00:44:43,017 --> 00:44:43,863
discussions that we had last week was
like, do we—

657
00:44:43,863 --> 00:44:46,050
can we pull some of these back?

658
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:51,341
Like, the urban growth boundary includes
like all of this area of Santa Fe.

659
00:44:51,341 --> 00:44:53,528
I always get that one confused.

660
00:44:53,528 --> 00:44:59,101
Basically all of Where it's orange and
yellow in this area between Columbia and

661
00:44:59,101 --> 00:45:04,603
Spring Hill, that's all within the urban
growth boundary. So that's a very big

662
00:45:04,603 --> 00:45:04,956
growth boundary. So that's a very big
area.

663
00:45:04,956 --> 00:45:10,740
And so if that's something that we want to
look at and pull that in at some point,

664
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:13,280
that's a discussion with the cities.

665
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,732
I just think, like, the 2 different maps
are very different.

666
00:45:17,069 --> 00:45:17,551
Very different.

667
00:45:18,852 --> 00:45:25,007
And it just, you know, Maybe neither make
any sense, but something in the middle,

668
00:45:25,007 --> 00:45:26,678
I don't, I don't know.

669
00:45:26,678 --> 00:45:32,073
But it just seems that, you know, like in
this one that you have today,

670
00:45:32,073 --> 00:45:36,936
there seems to be a lot of areas that are
already 1-acre tracts,

671
00:45:36,936 --> 00:45:41,115
or some maybe smaller than that, you know,
that aren't—

672
00:45:41,115 --> 00:45:44,003
that are designated as 5-acre minimum.

673
00:45:44,003 --> 00:45:48,866
So like, how does that tie into— I think
that's a good question.

674
00:45:48,866 --> 00:45:51,221
Does that make what I'm asking?

675
00:45:51,221 --> 00:45:56,880
Yeah. Yeah. And so that's something that
we could address in the land use category

676
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,708
description.

677
00:45:58,158 --> 00:46:02,689
So if it's something that we want, you
know, I would see like,

678
00:46:02,689 --> 00:46:07,585
I can see like coming down 31 right there,
that neighborhood, like,

679
00:46:07,585 --> 00:46:11,312
I guess I'm assuming that's Canterbury.
Yeah. Yeah.

680
00:46:11,312 --> 00:46:15,478
And so then does that Could become
nonconforming in this?

681
00:46:15,478 --> 00:46:19,537
Well, we, again, kind of in the
description, you could say, like,

682
00:46:19,537 --> 00:46:24,783
kind of the existing developments that are
less than 5 acres are appropriate as they

683
00:46:24,783 --> 00:46:27,718
are existing, but moving forward, we, you
know,

684
00:46:27,718 --> 00:46:31,839
we would want to see less of those or
limited or in certain areas.

685
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:34,275
So we can work it into the description.

686
00:46:34,275 --> 00:46:37,834
And again, nothing in this is going to
change the zoning,

687
00:46:37,834 --> 00:46:40,582
so nothing's going to make it
nonconforming.

688
00:46:40,582 --> 00:46:45,516
But yeah, you don't You don't really want
to identify parcels and put them in a

689
00:46:45,516 --> 00:46:48,326
future land use category that they don't
fit.

690
00:46:48,326 --> 00:46:53,322
And so I think depending on where we end
up is going to depend on how we want to

691
00:46:53,322 --> 00:46:54,071
describe it.

692
00:46:54,071 --> 00:46:56,784
But then if we're not changing the zoning,

693
00:46:56,784 --> 00:47:01,564
then why would this say exists until
official zoning map is amended by the

694
00:47:01,564 --> 00:47:03,567
County Commission, which would—

695
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:10,080
this agricultural preservation Oh, that's
something different.

696
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,920
I'm just asking, right? I'm just—

697
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,760
I'm just— the Agricultural Preservation
District.

698
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,635
Somebody said that earlier, that it
wouldn't exist after we adopt this,

699
00:47:18,635 --> 00:47:23,373
but is that— are we removing the
agricultural— Well, I mean, Christy,

700
00:47:23,373 --> 00:47:24,060
you're up.

701
00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:24,220
Go ahead.

702
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:26,260
I was asking.

703
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:27,260
No, no, no, I'm just—

704
00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:27,920
I just want to clear up—

705
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,856
I want to clear up some terminology, first
of all.

706
00:47:30,856 --> 00:47:33,342
Um, so when you're talking about the
growth plan,

707
00:47:33,342 --> 00:47:37,146
that's the one that you have in place that
is The cities and the county put

708
00:47:37,146 --> 00:47:37,603
together.

709
00:47:37,603 --> 00:47:37,892
Yep.

710
00:47:37,892 --> 00:47:40,225
Separate plan from this land use plan.

711
00:47:40,225 --> 00:47:43,417
You do need to consider the urban growth
boundaries,

712
00:47:43,417 --> 00:47:48,512
but some of the outcome of this plan could
be that you're asking the county and the

713
00:47:48,512 --> 00:47:53,178
cities to revisit that. Maybe there are
some areas that need to be expanded.

714
00:47:53,178 --> 00:47:56,186
Maybe there are areas that need to be
contracted.

715
00:47:56,186 --> 00:47:58,948
One, the terminology thing I want to
correct,

716
00:47:58,948 --> 00:48:03,246
I want to just make sure everybody
understands on the growth plan map,

717
00:48:03,246 --> 00:48:07,481
you have An urban growth boundary and you
have a planned growth area.

718
00:48:07,481 --> 00:48:11,042
This area around Collioca is a planned
growth area, right?

719
00:48:11,042 --> 00:48:15,216
That's a growth area that has been
identified to grow in the county,

720
00:48:15,216 --> 00:48:17,672
not that a city will be annexed into it.

721
00:48:17,672 --> 00:48:18,250
Yeah.

722
00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:22,238
So I just want to make sure you understand
the stuff that's around Columbia,

723
00:48:22,238 --> 00:48:23,708
Spring Hill, Mount Pleasant.

724
00:48:23,708 --> 00:48:28,011
Those are urban growth boundaries where at
that time those cities had projected to

725
00:48:28,011 --> 00:48:28,536
grow into.

726
00:48:28,890 --> 00:48:29,130
Gotcha.

727
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:33,754
Counties can have areas where they say,
okay, this out here is rural,

728
00:48:33,754 --> 00:48:38,444
but if we're going to have some growth,
this is where we see it going.

729
00:48:38,444 --> 00:48:41,661
And that's where those planned growth
areas are.

730
00:48:41,661 --> 00:48:45,547
There's 3 on your— well, there's 4, even
though it says 5,

731
00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:50,238
because one of them is a PGA, but it's an
expansion of Columbia's UGB.

732
00:48:50,238 --> 00:48:52,382
Um, so that, that's kind of the—

733
00:48:52,382 --> 00:48:56,268
when you're looking at where you want the
growth to occur,

734
00:48:56,268 --> 00:49:01,428
Keep that in mind because you're planning
for the unincorporated area, right?

735
00:49:01,428 --> 00:49:04,510
And until it is annexed, it is
unincorporated.

736
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:08,062
So having some development standards for
those areas,

737
00:49:08,062 --> 00:49:12,685
if and until they become part of the city,
is part of the discussion.

738
00:49:12,685 --> 00:49:17,845
And, um, so if the result of this says,
you know, maybe our PGAs are too big,

739
00:49:17,845 --> 00:49:19,587
we need to pull them back,

740
00:49:19,587 --> 00:49:25,149
that would be a recommendation going into
into possibly revisiting the growth plan.

741
00:49:25,149 --> 00:49:25,966
Gotcha.

742
00:49:25,966 --> 00:49:28,085
And it doesn't make— like Liz said,

743
00:49:28,085 --> 00:49:31,960
it doesn't make anything legally
nonconforming because these are

744
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,929
nonconforming because these are
recommendations.

745
00:49:32,929 --> 00:49:37,409
So until the actual zoning on the map is
changed— and we likely would not.

746
00:49:37,409 --> 00:49:41,890
I mean, you could even create a zoning
district that's essentially like a—

747
00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:44,978
I think we called it legacy districts or
something—

748
00:49:44,978 --> 00:49:49,156
that recognizes that density without
making it legally nonconforming.

749
00:49:49,156 --> 00:49:53,697
conforming, even though the area around it
may be recommended for something

750
00:49:53,697 --> 00:49:54,302
different.

751
00:49:54,302 --> 00:49:55,574
Yeah, grandfathered.

752
00:49:55,574 --> 00:50:00,028
Removing that from an option is not
something that we're doing because

753
00:50:00,028 --> 00:50:03,400
I'm asking— removing whatever the ag
preservation is.

754
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,844
No, I mean, if you all— if part of the
designation is rural,

755
00:50:06,844 --> 00:50:11,207
then the discussion is to what extent are
you recommending that it be rural?

756
00:50:11,207 --> 00:50:14,135
Right now, the AP district is a voluntary
district.

757
00:50:14,135 --> 00:50:17,120
So you all may want it designated as 1 to
5 on here,

758
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,335
but people could go even further to 1 to
15 or whatever.

759
00:50:20,335 --> 00:50:25,157
So that should just be part of the larger
conversation of what that rural area looks

760
00:50:25,157 --> 00:50:29,750
like. But I just want to make sure you all
understood where those, those growth—

761
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:33,768
there are county growth areas. And that's
what, that's what those are.

762
00:50:33,768 --> 00:50:37,817
I would just, you know, if somebody wants—
I just wanted to observe their property,

763
00:50:37,817 --> 00:50:41,379
that's their part to be able to do that.
Is that all y'all have anywhere?

764
00:50:41,460 --> 00:50:42,320
That's all I've got.

765
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,842
Thank you, sir. Is that all you got, Sam?
That's all I got. All right.

766
00:50:45,842 --> 00:50:47,553
Let me just note the AP districts.

767
00:50:47,553 --> 00:50:51,377
I think 6 or 8 of those have come to the
County Commission since that's been

768
00:50:51,377 --> 00:50:54,194
enacted. So that's been— You'll have
several more. Yeah.

769
00:50:54,194 --> 00:50:58,169
So that's been a good thing that people
have been taking advantage of that here

770
00:50:58,169 --> 00:50:58,370
have been taking advantage of that here
over

771
00:50:58,370 --> 00:51:01,540
the past couple of months. So that's a
good thing. You're back.

772
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:01,840
Okay.

773
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,600
You're up.

774
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:11,325
Yeah. So kind of when we're discussing
Coleoca or, you know, in any of these

775
00:51:11,325 --> 00:51:11,856
Coleoca or, you know, in any of these
areas,

776
00:51:11,856 --> 00:51:19,024
But this is a good example of if we're not
going to use the urban growth boundary

777
00:51:19,024 --> 00:51:24,776
and the growth boundary as kind of a guide
and we take that away,

778
00:51:24,776 --> 00:51:31,147
then you have kind of a mix of large
properties and then existing little

779
00:51:31,147 --> 00:51:37,961
subdivisions. But you can see it's a very
kind of consistent in terms of like

780
00:51:37,961 --> 00:51:45,040
there's little pockets of residential, but
most of the land is fairly large lot.

781
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,199
Where that line gets drawn, that again,
that's,

782
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:55,747
that's the hard part of do we have
anything like the urban growth boundary

783
00:51:55,747 --> 00:51:56,367
anything like the urban growth boundary
that we

784
00:51:56,367 --> 00:52:00,172
want to use to kind of establish that
line,

785
00:52:00,172 --> 00:52:05,481
or does it all just become one district
like we have it now?

786
00:52:05,481 --> 00:52:11,764
So that's again where I'm struggling of
how much land, or if, you know,

787
00:52:11,764 --> 00:52:18,401
should it be in the 1-acre or And where
does that boundary get established?

788
00:52:18,401 --> 00:52:25,037
So, I mean, that's kind of where we're—
and same thing with Mount Pleasant.

789
00:52:25,037 --> 00:52:29,462
When we look at Mount Pleasant, like,
pretty much—

790
00:52:29,462 --> 00:52:29,946
I'm sorry.

791
00:52:31,588 --> 00:52:38,266
Around the jurisdiction is very large
lots, you know, and so it would be,

792
00:52:38,266 --> 00:52:43,115
I think, difficult for me to go in and say
like, yes,

793
00:52:43,115 --> 00:52:49,153
that should be rural residential or that
should be ag without some

794
00:52:49,153 --> 00:52:51,806
direction from you all. What?

795
00:52:51,806 --> 00:52:53,784
Hit your mic there. You know,

796
00:52:53,784 --> 00:52:58,216
like what you're looking at is like a huge
That one on the right.

797
00:52:58,216 --> 00:52:58,986
Oh, like this thing?

798
00:52:58,986 --> 00:53:02,812
Yeah. I don't, I don't know what that
exact piece of property is,

799
00:53:02,812 --> 00:53:05,695
but I would guess it's— somebody here
might know.

800
00:53:05,695 --> 00:53:10,345
I'm guessing it's an old mine, which is
never going to be developed. Hopefully.

801
00:53:10,345 --> 00:53:14,065
And that's again where I need feedback
from you all,

802
00:53:14,065 --> 00:53:18,428
because when we do a land use plan for a
whole entire county,

803
00:53:18,428 --> 00:53:22,791
I can't look at every single parcel, you
know, in the county.

804
00:53:22,791 --> 00:53:24,508
That would take 7 years.

805
00:53:24,508 --> 00:53:28,371
And so if I'm looking at it a little bit
higher level,

806
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:30,946
but I need you all to fact-check me.

807
00:53:30,946 --> 00:53:35,984
I've gotten a couple of texts so far. You
left Theta off the maps, what I was told.

808
00:53:35,984 --> 00:53:37,162
I left what off the map?

809
00:53:37,162 --> 00:53:41,885
Theta, T-H-E-T-A, northeast section. It
was sort of north.

810
00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:46,607
It's what? Northeast. Like right there
somewhere in there.

811
00:53:46,607 --> 00:53:49,389
Oh, this one?

812
00:53:52,389 --> 00:53:53,884
Lexi, your light's up. You're up.

813
00:53:53,884 --> 00:53:59,044
My only question is, from the plan that
was created 20-some years ago,

814
00:53:59,044 --> 00:54:02,656
is there any existing language or
determinations,

815
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:08,331
or rather how they determined those
boundaries that we could even, like, work

816
00:54:08,331 --> 00:54:08,700
boundaries that we could even, like, work
from?

817
00:54:08,700 --> 00:54:11,943
So there is an adopted urban— Turn that
off.

818
00:54:11,943 --> 00:54:17,766
There is an adopted urban growth plan for
Murray County that's on file with the

819
00:54:17,766 --> 00:54:20,715
state that establishes these boundaries.

820
00:54:20,715 --> 00:54:25,875
And I believe there are kind of
descriptions in there of the different

821
00:54:25,875 --> 00:54:26,317
descriptions in there of the different
areas,

822
00:54:26,317 --> 00:54:32,066
but I haven't looked at it in detail to
know if it has that kind of background

823
00:54:32,066 --> 00:54:37,890
information of like, we're proposing to
have this boundary here because of XYZ.

824
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:40,543
And so, I mean, we can look at that,

825
00:54:40,543 --> 00:54:45,777
but I'm guessing that it probably doesn't
go into that level of detail.

826
00:54:45,777 --> 00:54:51,452
Because I'm just curious on how— because
going from this to an absolute blank

827
00:54:51,452 --> 00:54:51,895
going from this to an absolute blank
slate,

828
00:54:51,895 --> 00:54:56,170
I get what you're saying. Like, how do you
determine that?

829
00:54:56,170 --> 00:55:01,477
And I'm just curious if there was any
verbiage logged from 20 years ago.

830
00:55:01,477 --> 00:55:05,384
I mean, it's 20 years ago on how that was
determined.

831
00:55:05,384 --> 00:55:08,553
And obviously a lot has changed since
then.

832
00:55:08,553 --> 00:55:13,271
But if there was some kind of framework on
what that looks like,

833
00:55:13,271 --> 00:55:16,588
I think that would be a great starting
place.

834
00:55:16,588 --> 00:55:18,114
Sam,

835
00:55:18,114 --> 00:55:23,836
is that all you

836
00:55:23,836 --> 00:55:27,651
had, Lexi?

837
00:55:27,651 --> 00:55:27,957
Yeah.

838
00:55:27,957 --> 00:55:29,331
All right, Sam, you're up.

839
00:55:29,331 --> 00:55:33,029
I want to let you get through your
presentation, and I've been holding

840
00:55:33,029 --> 00:55:33,504
presentation, and I've been holding
comments,

841
00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:36,780
but are we going to do this in a
systematic way at some point?

842
00:55:36,780 --> 00:55:39,844
Like, Go through each region? How are we
going to do this?

843
00:55:39,844 --> 00:55:41,482
So I'll hold fire, I guess, if—

844
00:55:41,482 --> 00:55:46,596
Yeah. So what I think makes the most sense
is we have 4 copies of the map.

845
00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:51,986
And I think if we could just sort of
gather and start looking at it and start,

846
00:55:51,986 --> 00:55:56,616
you know, just giving comments and putting
them on the map, I mean,

847
00:55:56,616 --> 00:55:59,726
that's probably going to be the most
helpful.

848
00:55:59,726 --> 00:56:05,531
If you all think that it's better to kind
of look at it all together and we can zoom

849
00:56:05,531 --> 00:56:09,677
in and, you know, look at certain areas,
we can do that too.

850
00:56:09,677 --> 00:56:12,027
But yeah, I mean, I was done with—

851
00:56:12,027 --> 00:56:16,104
I was about to turn it over to you guys to
work on the map.

852
00:56:16,104 --> 00:56:17,753
Is that all you got, Sam?

853
00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:22,304
Generally, I mean, we don't have to use
our imaginations a whole lot.

854
00:56:22,304 --> 00:56:27,383
Williamson County has been through this
for the last 30 years, and, you know,

855
00:56:27,383 --> 00:56:29,626
it'd be nice to ask someone, well,

856
00:56:29,626 --> 00:56:34,639
what happened when you Did 1 to 5 right
next to Leapers, for example, right?

857
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:39,982
Like, we don't— there are some real-world
examples we can go to to see how things

858
00:56:39,982 --> 00:56:41,565
turn out. So, all right.

859
00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:47,286
But that hasn't— Williamson was only
adopted, what, a year or so ago?

860
00:56:47,286 --> 00:56:49,276
It's been several years?

861
00:56:49,468 --> 00:56:49,660
Okay.

862
00:56:50,029 --> 00:56:53,999
So there hasn't been a ton of time that
that's happened, but yeah,

863
00:56:53,999 --> 00:56:56,345
we can definitely use it as an example.

864
00:56:58,129 --> 00:57:00,623
Well, Christy, you can correct me if I'm
wrong,

865
00:57:00,623 --> 00:57:04,816
but a long time ago they did hike half the
county in 1:1 and half 1:5, correct?

866
00:57:04,816 --> 00:57:06,886
And then they went all 1:5 here lately.

867
00:57:06,886 --> 00:57:12,494
A big chunk of the, a big chunk of half of
the county was 1:5 for a long time.

868
00:57:12,494 --> 00:57:13,860
So '88, '88, maybe.

869
00:57:13,860 --> 00:57:18,645
It's actually a perfect example to see how
it's going to play out long-term.

870
00:57:18,645 --> 00:57:21,730
So, all right. Uh, Mr. Perryman, your
light's on.

871
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:25,445
The only, I would echo what he just— I
know you're excited.

872
00:57:25,445 --> 00:57:27,460
I would echo what Sam just said.

873
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:31,301
If there's examples out there to look at,
I think we have to.

874
00:57:31,301 --> 00:57:36,149
My only comment on the current map is it's
very striking that it's all green,

875
00:57:36,149 --> 00:57:37,597
and that is of concern.

876
00:57:37,597 --> 00:57:41,437
If we have urban growth boundaries that
exist with the state,

877
00:57:41,437 --> 00:57:45,593
I think we have to recognize those and
consider those in some way.

878
00:57:45,593 --> 00:57:47,923
When people speak of property values,

879
00:57:47,923 --> 00:57:51,008
I do think the closer you live to the The
cities.

880
00:57:51,008 --> 00:57:54,974
If you start making folks have to live in
large chunks of land,

881
00:57:54,974 --> 00:57:56,926
you do decrease property value.

882
00:57:56,926 --> 00:58:01,145
If I live way out in the nether regions of
the county, you may not.

883
00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:06,308
I look at the 431 corridor between 65 and
431 on the map that we were given today,

884
00:58:06,308 --> 00:58:08,952
and I don't see that ever remaining green.

885
00:58:08,952 --> 00:58:14,115
My fear is this: if we don't examine the
county and designate at least some places

886
00:58:14,115 --> 00:58:16,067
that we think growth can occur,

887
00:58:16,067 --> 00:58:20,600
The 3 cities will just push outward and
they push outward in big chunks.

888
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:25,574
And I think the biggest thing I hear from
people all the time is the cities are

889
00:58:25,574 --> 00:58:30,737
doing too much. When they take over, this
room has little control of what happens.

890
00:58:30,737 --> 00:58:30,913
Yeah.

891
00:58:30,913 --> 00:58:34,185
And if we don't provide some places in the
county and say,

892
00:58:34,185 --> 00:58:38,473
we see that life is happening in these
areas and at Canterbury, for example,

893
00:58:38,473 --> 00:58:39,996
that was mentioned earlier,

894
00:58:39,996 --> 00:58:43,551
or out on John Sharp Road where we're
building a lot of houses,

895
00:58:43,551 --> 00:58:48,120
That has become a county residential area
that if we don't acknowledge that those

896
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,659
places exist and we just leave them as
green,

897
00:58:50,659 --> 00:58:54,214
then the cities very quickly come out and
go, let us have that.

898
00:58:54,214 --> 00:58:58,558
And then it's 6 units per acre or it's
townhomes going straight up that are 3

899
00:58:58,558 --> 00:59:02,902
stories. So my concern would just be
somewhere between an overcomplicated map

900
00:59:02,902 --> 00:59:03,071
somewhere between an overcomplicated map
and

901
00:59:03,071 --> 00:59:04,820
the simplistic map. We have to,

902
00:59:04,820 --> 00:59:09,277
we have to say somewhere in Murray County
there can be something smaller than 5

903
00:59:09,277 --> 00:59:13,113
acres, because the reality is in the next
20 years it's going to be.

904
00:59:13,113 --> 00:59:16,498
And is it that the county controls that
and has a say in it,

905
00:59:16,498 --> 00:59:18,078
or is it that the cities do?

906
00:59:18,078 --> 00:59:22,704
And I think everyone in this room would
much rather see the regional planning have

907
00:59:22,704 --> 00:59:27,105
some say in that than the cities. And
that's, that's just my take at this map.

908
00:59:27,105 --> 00:59:30,772
How we go about that and what we call
growth areas, I don't know.

909
00:59:30,772 --> 00:59:35,455
I think that's a good point. But I think
we have to look a little deeper than that.

910
00:59:35,455 --> 00:59:36,752
All right, thanks, sir.

911
00:59:36,752 --> 00:59:41,097
I don't see any other lights, so how do
you want to proceed then? What is it?

912
00:59:41,097 --> 00:59:43,917
You want us to come down here and get on
the maps,

913
00:59:43,917 --> 00:59:46,569
or you want somebody to get up there and
point?

914
00:59:46,569 --> 00:59:50,180
I don't want anybody drawing on my walls
up here, but, you know,

915
00:59:50,180 --> 00:59:54,806
if you want to point out something on the
map and then we can make markings on the

916
00:59:54,806 --> 00:59:57,627
paper map or whatever, how do you want to
do this?

917
00:59:57,627 --> 01:00:02,053
Sorry, I was trying to open the growth
boundary plan,

918
01:00:02,053 --> 01:00:04,726
and it's Locking up my computer.

919
01:00:04,726 --> 01:00:11,574
I mean, I think it's probably, you know,
because we don't have a ton of, you know,

920
01:00:11,574 --> 01:00:14,080
our board's not too big today.

921
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:20,678
So if we could break up into kind of 2
groups or 3 groups and just kind of look

922
01:00:20,678 --> 01:00:20,845
groups or 3 groups and just kind of look
at

923
01:00:20,845 --> 01:00:25,271
this and look at the areas, and I can have
my laptop,

924
01:00:25,271 --> 01:00:31,034
and if anybody wants to pull up a certain
area, I'm happy to do that.

925
01:00:32,938 --> 01:00:35,445
So what do you want, somebody on like,
that's north side of the county,

926
01:00:35,445 --> 01:00:36,752
this is south side of the county, or—

927
01:00:36,752 --> 01:00:39,701
Yeah. And then you pick what side you want
to be on? Yeah.

928
01:00:39,701 --> 01:00:41,749
Okay. And then for the public,

929
01:00:41,749 --> 01:00:47,142
we've got that map right there on that
table if y'all wish to put your input on

930
01:00:47,142 --> 01:00:51,033
that. Dustin, I'm sorry. Have you got to
go? Well, maybe.

931
01:00:51,033 --> 01:00:55,811
I don't want to sit here and watch y'all
work or whatever, but I mean,

932
01:00:55,811 --> 01:01:01,409
and it's Come on up. I'll allow it. Sure,
come on, come on up. I'm ready to leave.

933
01:01:01,409 --> 01:01:04,891
Excuse me, I just have one question. Well,
hang on.

934
01:01:04,891 --> 01:01:10,147
I'm gonna let him speak and then we'll get
to you. All right, well, go ahead.

935
01:01:10,147 --> 01:01:15,199
Okay, go ahead. I'm all over this county
surveying. It looks like it's all

936
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:15,813
surveying. It looks like it's all
farmland.

937
01:01:15,813 --> 01:01:18,134
You're not— it's not all farmland.

938
01:01:18,134 --> 01:01:22,844
You got little houses everywhere,
thousands of houses and acres Lots.

939
01:01:22,844 --> 01:01:27,554
And if you make these people— brother and
sister, sister got an acre,

940
01:01:27,554 --> 01:01:31,787
brother got an acre, this brother now you
have to get 5 acres—

941
01:01:31,787 --> 01:01:35,746
what you're going to be doing is what
you're trying to do.

942
01:01:35,746 --> 01:01:41,071
I'm going to just tell you, you're trying
to run everybody out of the country,

943
01:01:41,071 --> 01:01:43,733
get them in town. And I hate to say it,

944
01:01:43,733 --> 01:01:47,624
but it looks like something you see back
in Nazi Germany.

945
01:01:47,624 --> 01:01:51,583
You want to force a people Well, hold on,
we're not going—

946
01:01:51,583 --> 01:01:57,045
we're not going to have a spar. This is
not a sparring session. Okay, thank you.

947
01:01:57,045 --> 01:02:02,438
All right, okay, all right. Dustin, you,
uh, state your name and your district.

948
01:02:02,438 --> 01:02:07,489
Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous to say
Nazi Germany. Yeah, well, let's not

949
01:02:07,489 --> 01:02:07,967
Nazi Germany. Yeah, well, let's not
debate.

950
01:02:07,967 --> 01:02:13,496
Let's, let's not. And you make your living
as a surveyor, so obviously every day,

951
01:02:13,496 --> 01:02:16,500
Dustin, Parcel is more money in your
pocket.

952
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:17,660
Dustin.

953
01:02:17,660 --> 01:02:21,380
And so that's— I mean, okay. And so to say
that we're trying to create an option—

954
01:02:21,380 --> 01:02:21,830
Dustin.

955
01:02:21,830 --> 01:02:23,240
We're trying to preserve farm—

956
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,220
Dustin.

957
01:02:24,220 --> 01:02:28,998
I'm not addressing the group here. I know,
but I'm— this is not a debate.

958
01:02:28,998 --> 01:02:33,908
No, I'm not. I'm just saying this is not a
debate for you all. I apologize.

959
01:02:33,908 --> 01:02:38,555
I apologize. All right, just state your
name and your district, please.

960
01:02:38,555 --> 01:02:41,893
Dustin Kittle, District 9. Or District 6,
actually.

961
01:02:41,893 --> 01:02:47,130
I was speaking on behalf of District 9
last night. I'll, I'll address that last.

962
01:02:47,130 --> 01:02:52,563
I'll start off by saying one of the things
that I think we need to be careful about

963
01:02:52,563 --> 01:02:57,799
and we need to evaluate on the front end
is development that would be around the

964
01:02:57,799 --> 01:03:00,221
Duck River or any of the tributaries.

965
01:03:00,221 --> 01:03:04,737
That creates obviously potential
contamination, environmental issues.

966
01:03:04,737 --> 01:03:10,039
And I'm not saying that there can't be any
development, but as a lot of you know,

967
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:15,080
there was an attempt to develop at the one
of the former Monsanto properties,

968
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,531
which was right on top of the Duck. They
wanted to put 1,300 houses.

969
01:03:19,531 --> 01:03:24,832
That's just an example of something that I
think kind of on the front end that we

970
01:03:24,832 --> 01:03:28,040
need to be mindful of because of the fact,
again,

971
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:33,276
we're in this alleged water crisis and
we're so dependent on the Duck River that

972
01:03:33,276 --> 01:03:33,342
we're so dependent on the Duck River that
I

973
01:03:33,342 --> 01:03:36,287
think that we need to take that into
account.

974
01:03:36,287 --> 01:03:41,524
And I would say the same thing as far as
with soils and things things like that.

975
01:03:41,524 --> 01:03:46,891
As I think Sam had mentioned, there is a
lot of mining land that's in this county,

976
01:03:46,891 --> 01:03:49,444
and there is some former Monsanto land,

977
01:03:49,444 --> 01:03:53,371
and there's some ground that's not
suitable for development.

978
01:03:53,371 --> 01:03:57,037
And so I think that that needs to be taken
into account.

979
01:03:57,037 --> 01:04:02,339
And then also, as opposed to maybe just
drawing kind of the random circles, like,

980
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:05,939
I think if we looked at the factors, like,
for example,

981
01:04:05,939 --> 01:04:10,652
And I'll take the one that we looked at
last night that was in Cullioca.

982
01:04:10,652 --> 01:04:14,121
That road over there is about as wide as
this podium.

983
01:04:14,121 --> 01:04:18,638
And so it's not really suitable to where
you could put a subdivision.

984
01:04:18,638 --> 01:04:23,547
And so I think that that's one of the
other things that we need to look at.

985
01:04:23,547 --> 01:04:28,129
I mean, we have, you know, I'll take Snow
Creek Road that's beside me.

986
01:04:28,129 --> 01:04:32,187
It's a state road. It's a, it's a good
road. It's a wide road.

987
01:04:32,187 --> 01:04:36,376
And it could handle more traffic than,
say, East Sheepneck Road.

988
01:04:36,376 --> 01:04:41,547
And so I think that that's something that
we need to take into account as well.

989
01:04:41,547 --> 01:04:46,980
The last thing I would say is like, and I
know this couldn't be done by one person,

990
01:04:46,980 --> 01:04:52,282
but I do think we need to kind of do an
audit of what we've got now as far as the

991
01:04:52,282 --> 01:04:56,864
land's concerned. What do we have now
that's in agriculture, you know,

992
01:04:56,864 --> 01:04:58,500
across the board? I mean,

993
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:03,344
that's something you probably could run
some kind of aerial image through,

994
01:05:03,344 --> 01:05:08,712
like AI even. And be able to get a good
idea of what is our baseline and where are

995
01:05:08,712 --> 01:05:13,097
we starting from on all of this. And I
think that that's important.

996
01:05:13,097 --> 01:05:16,501
So I think that if we outline some of
these factors,

997
01:05:16,501 --> 01:05:21,410
factors that ultimately would come into
play when it goes before a planning

998
01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:26,647
commission, as far as like how far is this
area away from emergency services and

999
01:05:26,647 --> 01:05:29,985
things like that, I think that all of
those things.

1000
01:05:29,985 --> 01:05:33,650
These zones would kind of create
themselves off of that,

1001
01:05:33,650 --> 01:05:38,691
and there's probably some way that
somebody that's smarter than I could punch

1002
01:05:38,691 --> 01:05:39,083
somebody that's smarter than I could punch
all of

1003
01:05:39,083 --> 01:05:43,927
that in and give you an exact which
parcels meet that definition and which

1004
01:05:43,927 --> 01:05:44,189
parcels meet that definition and which
ones

1005
01:05:44,189 --> 01:05:49,425
don't. Thank you. Okay, that said, um, I
guess Sam— yeah, you're like, go ahead,

1006
01:05:49,425 --> 01:05:53,942
Sam. One more. That brought up some great
questions for me, actually.

1007
01:05:53,942 --> 01:05:58,524
I know we're going to get to cost of
community services at some point,

1008
01:05:58,524 --> 01:06:01,273
but it's hard for me to sort of say, well,

1009
01:06:01,273 --> 01:06:06,640
this zone needs to be here and this zone
needs to be there without sort of knowing

1010
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,735
the total totality of it, right?

1011
01:06:08,735 --> 01:06:14,037
Like, if we're going to build a lot more
houses, what will it cost the community?

1012
01:06:14,037 --> 01:06:19,273
You know, those kinds of questions. I
guess for now we just put our vision down.

1013
01:06:19,273 --> 01:06:22,743
I was just going to say, are we just
trying to, like,

1014
01:06:22,743 --> 01:06:25,099
generally This area generally today?

1015
01:06:25,099 --> 01:06:30,347
Yeah, I mean, I'm not expecting you to say
this lot yes, this lot no,

1016
01:06:30,347 --> 01:06:36,432
but I think what would be helpful is to
kind of understand if you all think that

1017
01:06:36,432 --> 01:06:39,703
it's appropriate to again sort of use
that,

1018
01:06:39,703 --> 01:06:43,201
use the data of the land in terms of lot
size,

1019
01:06:43,201 --> 01:06:46,320
in terms of undevelopable prime farmland.

1020
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:52,177
We could look again at that data in the
land and try and make a line based on

1021
01:06:52,177 --> 01:06:52,557
land and try and make a line based on
that.

1022
01:06:52,557 --> 01:06:58,414
Or do we like the idea of kind of like a
fuzzy 1-mile, 3-mile, 5-mile buffer?

1023
01:06:58,414 --> 01:07:02,977
You know, kind of what makes sense in
these different areas?

1024
01:07:02,977 --> 01:07:04,727
That kind of, you know,

1025
01:07:04,727 --> 01:07:10,279
if I have more of a direction of what you
all think makes the most sense,

1026
01:07:10,279 --> 01:07:14,082
that would help. And then the other thing
is, Yes,

1027
01:07:14,082 --> 01:07:18,265
so we have Tischler Weiss doing the
financial analysis.

1028
01:07:18,265 --> 01:07:22,677
They have gotten started on that, but
their next thing is,

1029
01:07:22,677 --> 01:07:28,534
is they're going to take the future land
use map that we give them and run an

1030
01:07:28,534 --> 01:07:34,695
analysis on kind of the cost of services
and the cost of everything based on what

1031
01:07:34,695 --> 01:07:40,247
we're proposing. And so generally, we
either give them 2 different, like,

1032
01:07:40,247 --> 01:07:45,875
development scenarios, or we'd give them
sort of like the existing and the

1033
01:07:45,875 --> 01:07:46,560
sort of like the existing and the
proposed.

1034
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:46,865
Right.

1035
01:07:47,939 --> 01:07:53,940
So if there's kind of like if we almost
wanted to get rid of the orange but have,

1036
01:07:53,940 --> 01:07:58,755
you know, the yellow kind of encompass the
yellow and the orange,

1037
01:07:58,755 --> 01:08:02,385
so we'd have a lot more 1-acre parcels,
you know,

1038
01:08:02,385 --> 01:08:08,312
have them do the analysis kind of on that
sort of scenario versus this scenario,

1039
01:08:08,312 --> 01:08:10,164
you know, we can do that.

1040
01:08:10,164 --> 01:08:12,090
If there's kind of, again,

1041
01:08:12,090 --> 01:08:17,201
sort of a couple different options of what
you all think makes sense.

1042
01:08:17,201 --> 01:08:20,461
We don't have to have all the answers
today.

1043
01:08:20,461 --> 01:08:25,730
All right, Commissioner Strahan, your
light was on. Thank you, Chair.

1044
01:08:25,730 --> 01:08:31,305
I'm a bit overwhelmed with this whole
thing. I don't know— I'll speak for

1045
01:08:31,305 --> 01:08:31,840
thing. I don't know— I'll speak for
myself.

1046
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,437
I don't know all the county roads.

1047
01:08:34,437 --> 01:08:38,560
I don't know the areas where all the
subdivisions are.

1048
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,761
I've lived here, what, 30 years? Murray
County is huge.

1049
01:08:42,761 --> 01:08:47,954
I think it's a bad idea for us to split up
and 2 or 3 go do Culebra,

1050
01:08:47,954 --> 01:08:52,536
2 or 3 go do something else, and a couple
of us do Columbia.

1051
01:08:52,536 --> 01:08:56,125
I think collectively we may be able to do
this,

1052
01:08:56,125 --> 01:09:01,548
but I think we need to concentrate on
maybe on a particular area first.

1053
01:09:01,548 --> 01:09:05,442
Learn how we work this process, understand
the map,

1054
01:09:05,442 --> 01:09:10,865
and then migrate out into some of the
other areas rather than somebody—

1055
01:09:10,865 --> 01:09:14,378
2 guys come do Columbia, 2 people do Santa
Fe,

1056
01:09:14,378 --> 01:09:18,043
and then we don't even have the same
vocabulary,

1057
01:09:18,043 --> 01:09:22,778
nor do we have the same experiences in
those particular areas.

1058
01:09:22,778 --> 01:09:27,589
You can give me an area and I wouldn't
know what to do with it.

1059
01:09:27,589 --> 01:09:31,561
I'm a county commissioner. I'm not a
zoning planner.

1060
01:09:31,561 --> 01:09:37,136
I think that's actually a good idea
because out of this room you've got a

1061
01:09:37,136 --> 01:09:37,746
because out of this room you've got a
piece of

1062
01:09:37,746 --> 01:09:43,932
everything and you can ask a question and
somebody that's from Coleo can say yes,

1063
01:09:43,932 --> 01:09:50,271
somebody that's from Theda can say that.
So perhaps we should just use the big map.

1064
01:09:50,271 --> 01:09:50,688
We can do that.

1065
01:09:50,688 --> 01:09:55,662
And then, you know, if we want to
designate somebody to write or you're

1066
01:09:55,662 --> 01:09:56,222
designate somebody to write or you're
going to

1067
01:09:56,222 --> 01:10:01,407
take notes, I guess you don't have to have
anything written on these maps.

1068
01:10:01,407 --> 01:10:06,170
But let me remind everybody too, if I
could please, and for my sake,

1069
01:10:06,170 --> 01:10:09,253
There's not such a thing as a dumb
question.

1070
01:10:09,253 --> 01:10:12,055
This group is not a planning commission.

1071
01:10:12,055 --> 01:10:17,239
This group does not have all the
experience in the world to put this thing

1072
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:17,870
experience in the world to put this thing
together.

1073
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:22,563
This group represents those people out
there, period, in some form,

1074
01:10:22,563 --> 01:10:27,467
whether it be educational or whether it be
political or whatever else.

1075
01:10:27,467 --> 01:10:32,581
Turn your light on. You got to— Tell us,
like, hey, 412 to— north of 412,

1076
01:10:32,581 --> 01:10:33,352
east of 31.

1077
01:10:33,352 --> 01:10:33,949
Bingo.

1078
01:10:33,949 --> 01:10:38,689
I mean, yeah, and then we could just
start, and then south of 412 to 50,

1079
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:41,916
and then 50 to 31, and then 31 to Mount
Pleasant.

1080
01:10:41,916 --> 01:10:45,076
And then maybe, maybe that makes the most
sense.

1081
01:10:45,076 --> 01:10:48,444
You know, if we just kind of zoom in and—
yeah,

1082
01:10:48,444 --> 01:10:53,101
I can draw polygons on here that again
sort of just establish the

1083
01:10:53,101 --> 01:10:54,749
beginning conversation.

1084
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,379
Who knows? I mean, I think it would
probably make the most sense to start in

1085
01:11:00,379 --> 01:11:00,568
probably make the most sense to start in
the

1086
01:11:00,568 --> 01:11:04,718
north side where probably most of the
growth would be or has been.

1087
01:11:04,718 --> 01:11:06,353
So 31, 65, northeast side.

1088
01:11:06,353 --> 01:11:10,881
Start with the northeast, then go
southeast, then go southwest, and then

1089
01:11:10,881 --> 01:11:11,510
southeast, then go southwest, and then
northwest.

1090
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:16,478
Like coming down 431 from June Lake's
going to grow in the next 20 years. Okay.

1091
01:11:16,478 --> 01:11:20,377
I've actually had a county commissioner
that's asked to speak,

1092
01:11:20,377 --> 01:11:24,464
so I'm going to let Commissioner Sumner
come on up to the podium.

1093
01:11:24,464 --> 01:11:27,357
Identify yourself for the record and then—
Uh,

1094
01:11:27,357 --> 01:11:31,885
at like 10:30 at night the way this is
going, so that's kind of— that's,

1095
01:11:31,885 --> 01:11:35,469
that's kind of what I'm— Scott asked and
so I'll let him.

1096
01:11:35,469 --> 01:11:39,871
That's kind of what I'm hitting at here.
Uh, Scott Sumner, District 5.

1097
01:11:39,871 --> 01:11:43,770
Uh, I think Mr. Kittle brought up some
great points about, uh,

1098
01:11:43,770 --> 01:11:45,783
potentially looking at criteria.

1099
01:11:45,783 --> 01:11:50,751
Uh, I think y'all have had some great
points too, Mr. Perryman and Mr. Kennedy.

1100
01:11:50,751 --> 01:11:55,090
About the criteria that you should look at
for these types of things.

1101
01:11:55,090 --> 01:12:00,309
And maybe you should give the criteria to
the consultant instead of you guys, like,

1102
01:12:00,309 --> 01:12:04,397
pinpointing, you know, on a map where you
think things should go.

1103
01:12:04,397 --> 01:12:07,415
But give the consultant some criteria, you
know,

1104
01:12:07,415 --> 01:12:10,119
some guidelines about what you want to
see.

1105
01:12:10,119 --> 01:12:15,276
Like, like, you've got collector roads,
you've got arterial roads, you've got the—

1106
01:12:15,276 --> 01:12:16,062
Inter—

1107
01:12:16,062 --> 01:12:21,365
I-65, you've got the Duck River You got
the tributaries of the Duck River, uh,

1108
01:12:21,365 --> 01:12:23,608
and you— I mean, this county has,

1109
01:12:23,608 --> 01:12:29,183
has certain types of road classifications
too where you can kind of delineate what

1110
01:12:29,183 --> 01:12:32,378
those road links are potentially too using
GIS.

1111
01:12:32,378 --> 01:12:37,681
So what I would suggest you guys do is, I
mean, to save you some time tonight,

1112
01:12:37,681 --> 01:12:41,352
is to give the consultant some criteria,
take it back,

1113
01:12:41,352 --> 01:12:44,275
and they can take it back and create a
map.

1114
01:12:44,275 --> 01:12:44,387
Okay.

1115
01:12:45,093 --> 01:12:48,083
Potentially a map, a better map than
what's here tonight,

1116
01:12:48,083 --> 01:12:51,126
something that's more conducive to what
your thoughts are.

1117
01:12:51,126 --> 01:12:54,694
But take that back and instead of having
to go through it, you know,

1118
01:12:54,694 --> 01:12:56,058
section at a time tonight,

1119
01:12:56,058 --> 01:12:59,993
just have that done back at her office
once you guys give her the criteria.

1120
01:12:59,993 --> 01:13:03,508
That's my suggestion. Or you're going to
be here kind of all night.

1121
01:13:03,508 --> 01:13:05,239
Well, I don't disagree with that.

1122
01:13:05,239 --> 01:13:07,915
But what I was going to say also is that,
you know,

1123
01:13:07,915 --> 01:13:10,433
as much as I hate saying the word more
meetings,

1124
01:13:10,433 --> 01:13:14,840
we could do a quadrant tonight and then we
don't have to have the consultant I think

1125
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,358
we're going to have to do another quadrant
here.

1126
01:13:17,358 --> 01:13:21,031
We can do— have another meeting and do
another quadrant another night,

1127
01:13:21,031 --> 01:13:22,657
another quadrant another night.

1128
01:13:22,657 --> 01:13:23,864
I do like what he says,

1129
01:13:23,864 --> 01:13:27,589
but what I would say to that is that we've
already collected this data.

1130
01:13:27,589 --> 01:13:31,524
The consultant's been given all this
stuff, and this is the map we got, you

1131
01:13:31,524 --> 01:13:31,786
stuff, and this is the map we got, you
know,

1132
01:13:31,786 --> 01:13:34,304
based on from the public input, because
this is—

1133
01:13:34,304 --> 01:13:36,928
this was for the public and all that, and
this is—

1134
01:13:36,928 --> 01:13:39,656
this is the map that came out with. So I
don't know.

1135
01:13:39,656 --> 01:13:42,804
I thought it seems like we've already set
the criteria, and—

1136
01:13:42,804 --> 01:13:45,794
and I guess we can try to do it again, but
whatever this—

1137
01:13:45,794 --> 01:13:49,362
the will of this committee is and— and— I
think that's a good point.

1138
01:13:49,362 --> 01:13:51,722
Y'all tell me that. You got a couple
options.

1139
01:13:51,722 --> 01:13:55,500
Like I said, we can do what Scott said,
give criteria to the consultant,

1140
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:59,750
or we can sit here and do the northeast
quadrant of the county and then come back

1141
01:13:59,750 --> 01:14:01,271
again later without her here.

1142
01:14:01,271 --> 01:14:05,363
We don't have to have her have to— you
know, we can do the southeast quadrant.

1143
01:14:05,363 --> 01:14:07,094
What's the will of the committee?

1144
01:14:07,094 --> 01:14:10,819
Uh, uh, Sam— or no, I'm sorry, Eric
Perryman, you were first. Go ahead.

1145
01:14:10,819 --> 01:14:13,495
A question first and then, and then just a
comment.

1146
01:14:13,495 --> 01:14:16,433
The map That you had that you said you
showed last week,

1147
01:14:16,433 --> 01:14:18,217
that you said you went too far on.

1148
01:14:18,217 --> 01:14:22,467
How many people were at Battle Creek High
School that determined you went too far

1149
01:14:22,467 --> 01:14:23,201
with that map?

1150
01:14:23,201 --> 01:14:26,485
Like 10.

1151
01:14:26,485 --> 01:14:28,640
So out of about 120,000 people, 10.

1152
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,671
So, so my question would be this,

1153
01:14:30,671 --> 01:14:33,811
somewhere between the map that we were
given today—

1154
01:14:33,811 --> 01:14:38,367
I'm not saying I love that map that you
That you said you went too far on,

1155
01:14:38,367 --> 01:14:42,985
but somewhere between that map, which is
what you guys are paid to develop,

1156
01:14:42,985 --> 01:14:47,540
and the map we were given today, there has
to be a happy medium somewhere.

1157
01:14:47,540 --> 01:14:51,665
Um, I would love to have access to that
map and time to look at it,

1158
01:14:51,665 --> 01:14:55,790
and then I would love for us to have
criteria so that when we talk,

1159
01:14:55,790 --> 01:15:00,161
we're not just walking up here uninformed
and saying, hey, I, you know,

1160
01:15:00,161 --> 01:15:04,040
I've been out here, this is really
changing, and this— we need—

1161
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:04,153
Yeah.

1162
01:15:04,762 --> 01:15:09,698
I think we need more information and more
time as a group to have some criteria to

1163
01:15:09,698 --> 01:15:11,805
look at what we were talking about.

1164
01:15:11,805 --> 01:15:15,778
But I would love to have that map, whether
I agree with it or not,

1165
01:15:15,778 --> 01:15:18,787
because that is what you guys are paid to
develop.

1166
01:15:18,787 --> 01:15:21,978
And somewhere between that and then where
we are now,

1167
01:15:21,978 --> 01:15:26,071
there has to be somewhere that we, that we
know we, we have to land.

1168
01:15:26,071 --> 01:15:28,840
So that, that would be my only
recommendation.

1169
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,104
I think we need some,

1170
01:15:30,104 --> 01:15:34,799
some clear guidelines on what we're doing
before we start changing anything on

1171
01:15:34,799 --> 01:15:38,772
anybody's All right, Sam, your light's on,
sir. I like both ideas.

1172
01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:43,467
I do think it would be helpful just to go
through one block together, just to—

1173
01:15:43,467 --> 01:15:46,417
I want to hear what other people's
questions are,

1174
01:15:46,417 --> 01:15:50,871
kind of go through the process of
evaluating one section just to learn how

1175
01:15:50,871 --> 01:15:51,413
evaluating one section just to learn how
you would

1176
01:15:51,413 --> 01:15:54,362
look at it. All right, well, let me ask
you this.

1177
01:15:54,362 --> 01:15:56,830
Is the northeast the best block for that?

1178
01:15:56,830 --> 01:15:59,238
Because it's already pretty much a city,

1179
01:15:59,238 --> 01:16:02,850
or do we want to go real more rural with
it? Y'all pick one.

1180
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:06,943
I think that corridor out there, that 431
corridor in the northeast,

1181
01:16:06,943 --> 01:16:11,337
is a good place to start. Okay, you do
want to start with that one. Okay.

1182
01:16:11,337 --> 01:16:13,564
Because you've got Firefly out there,

1183
01:16:13,564 --> 01:16:17,357
you have things that are happening that
don't match it already.

1184
01:16:17,357 --> 01:16:21,630
So how do we deal with things that are—
okay, that already don't match?

1185
01:16:21,630 --> 01:16:24,339
All right, let's proceed then. Go ahead,
Sam.

1186
01:16:24,339 --> 01:16:28,312
My first thought in my head is like, well,
yeah, let them have it.

1187
01:16:28,312 --> 01:16:30,840
It's already developed, so just let it go.

1188
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,693
But I know farmers in that green island
who are gonna, you know,

1189
01:16:34,693 --> 01:16:37,762
people who are gonna want to leave it
green, right?

1190
01:16:37,762 --> 01:16:39,929
So that's my first conundrum, right?

1191
01:16:39,929 --> 01:16:42,879
So just, just there you go, throw that out
there.

1192
01:16:42,879 --> 01:16:49,781
So this is again the, the map from last
week, and I will email all the maps,

1193
01:16:49,781 --> 01:16:55,321
and I could do further, you know, I'll get
you guys all that.

1194
01:16:55,321 --> 01:17:02,676
So a lot of that area is within Spring
Hill and Columbia's urban growth boundary.

1195
01:17:02,676 --> 01:17:07,126
And it— I'm not sure if this line, like,
follows—

1196
01:17:07,126 --> 01:17:11,940
it doesn't look like it follows a road,
but it might.

1197
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:16,480
But I mean, it kind of establishes a
cutoff point.

1198
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:21,112
And so maybe that's a good place to start
of, like,

1199
01:17:21,112 --> 01:17:25,652
Is this northern area appropriate for
1-acre lots?

1200
01:17:25,652 --> 01:17:29,285
Again, we can kind of ignore the orange.

1201
01:17:29,285 --> 01:17:33,017
Turn your light on. So, Sam, turn your
light on.

1202
01:17:33,017 --> 01:17:37,916
I would— that would be my thought, would
be generally speaking.

1203
01:17:37,916 --> 01:17:42,114
Now we can dive into each little property,
but I mean,

1204
01:17:42,114 --> 01:17:48,257
you can see west of Clara Mathis there,
you know, is already all neighborhoods.

1205
01:17:48,257 --> 01:17:51,211
And so, you know, and again, you know,

1206
01:17:51,211 --> 01:17:56,965
I think that what we've talked about
multiple times is the city just start

1207
01:17:56,965 --> 01:17:57,587
multiple times is the city just start
annexing

1208
01:17:57,587 --> 01:18:02,485
these places. And so if you don't give
anybody room to develop,

1209
01:18:02,485 --> 01:18:08,239
then you are going to open that up for
more annexation, which I— You know,

1210
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:14,459
whatever everybody wants is gonna— I mean,
that's just what they're going to do.

1211
01:18:14,459 --> 01:18:18,347
Um, so I, I, I understand what you're
saying, Sam.

1212
01:18:18,347 --> 01:18:24,334
I think like, and maybe you go through
some of that and say, well, these, you

1213
01:18:24,334 --> 01:18:24,723
some of that and say, well, these, you
know,

1214
01:18:24,723 --> 01:18:27,444
east of 431s, you know what I mean?

1215
01:18:28,041 --> 01:18:28,266
I don't know.

1216
01:18:28,428 --> 01:18:31,234
I don't know. I'm just giving, giving
ideas.

1217
01:18:31,234 --> 01:18:33,040
Reasonable me.

1218
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,939
Debbie, hang on. We gotta— we can't have
too many lights on at once.

1219
01:18:37,939 --> 01:18:42,046
Turn your light on. We'll call on you.
Deborah, go ahead.

1220
01:18:42,046 --> 01:18:43,703
I'm just asking— sorry,

1221
01:18:43,703 --> 01:18:48,457
just asking her to zoom in on that if
that's where we're focusing.

1222
01:18:48,457 --> 01:18:49,394
So thank you.

1223
01:18:49,394 --> 01:18:57,338
Yeah, I mean, and this is a good kind of
place to just sort of discuss

1224
01:18:57,338 --> 01:19:04,488
theoretically. You know, we have the
cities in close proximity.

1225
01:19:04,488 --> 01:19:11,751
We have a lot of big lot land. Mixed with
existing developments.

1226
01:19:11,751 --> 01:19:19,014
And so, you know, all of this area kind of
west of 65, you know,

1227
01:19:19,014 --> 01:19:26,618
does it— does it make sense to you all to
show that as kind of that

1228
01:19:26,618 --> 01:19:34,562
1-acre smaller, you know, still large lot
but smaller lot development?

1229
01:19:34,562 --> 01:19:42,052
Or to try and kind of put all of these
larger lots in sort of that

1230
01:19:42,052 --> 01:19:45,116
holding of 5-acre minimums.

1231
01:19:45,116 --> 01:19:47,995
Eric, what's the school capacity up there?

1232
01:19:47,995 --> 01:19:51,627
You're lower on the north side than you
are anywhere,

1233
01:19:51,627 --> 01:19:53,752
and as we've started this year,

1234
01:19:53,752 --> 01:19:57,658
the only place we've truly seen growth has
been up there.

1235
01:19:57,658 --> 01:20:03,004
Um, we've actually seen some decreasing
numbers across the rest of the county,

1236
01:20:03,004 --> 01:20:05,403
but in that section, Bear Creek 31,

1237
01:20:05,403 --> 01:20:10,269
that corridor is the only place that we've
seen true growth in numbers.

1238
01:20:10,269 --> 01:20:14,656
And it's elementary growth, middle school
and elementary growth.

1239
01:20:14,656 --> 01:20:18,700
So it's young growth. Okay. Anybody else?
Lots of thoughts.

1240
01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:21,441
Um, Again, I'm back on the fiscal thing,

1241
01:20:21,441 --> 01:20:26,993
but I think that was a large part of why
Williamson County went on and did 1 to 5

1242
01:20:26,993 --> 01:20:30,282
across the board was because of fiscal
concerns.

1243
01:20:30,282 --> 01:20:35,217
So we may say we want more houses
somewhere and then figure out we can't

1244
01:20:35,217 --> 01:20:35,834
somewhere and then figure out we can't
afford it

1245
01:20:35,834 --> 01:20:41,317
later. But, um, the Duck River Yanalli
Wildlife Area is at the southeast part of

1246
01:20:41,317 --> 01:20:45,909
that quadrant, right? I would think we
would want buffer, you know.

1247
01:20:45,909 --> 01:20:47,735
Yeah, like all of this down.

1248
01:20:47,735 --> 01:20:49,778
But on that, okay, it is.

1249
01:20:49,778 --> 01:20:51,985
And I had one more thought,

1250
01:20:51,985 --> 01:20:55,908
but I'll leave it alone until I come up
with it.

1251
01:20:55,908 --> 01:21:01,674
Yeah, so it seems like with the proposed
map, you know,

1252
01:21:01,674 --> 01:21:07,231
this area is kind of in question, and
then, you know,

1253
01:21:07,231 --> 01:21:13,731
this sort of central area feel like the
two kind of maybe they

1254
01:21:13,731 --> 01:21:15,513
should be yellow.

1255
01:21:16,052 --> 01:21:19,477
That central area right there, just from a
busing,

1256
01:21:19,477 --> 01:21:22,011
not traveling those roads with buses.

1257
01:21:22,011 --> 01:21:25,778
Um, Greens Mill and the development off of
Greens Mill,

1258
01:21:25,778 --> 01:21:29,613
that's the city has pushed all the way to
Double Branch.

1259
01:21:29,613 --> 01:21:32,901
Double Branch is not very far from Big Oak
Lake.

1260
01:21:32,901 --> 01:21:37,558
I mean, it looks like a large area there.
John Sharp's in that area.

1261
01:21:37,558 --> 01:21:41,668
Um, that's an area that, that we're seeing
growth in anyway.

1262
01:21:41,668 --> 01:21:47,216
Uh, if you were looking at targeted areas
where that's— that, that green area is—

1263
01:21:47,216 --> 01:21:50,024
that, that yellow is pushing out into it.

1264
01:21:50,024 --> 01:21:55,298
So, so I see that from what we're dealing
with is that those developments are

1265
01:21:55,298 --> 01:21:56,667
pushing in that way.

1266
01:21:56,667 --> 01:22:01,393
Um, and I don't know how we go through
every section of the, the map,

1267
01:22:01,393 --> 01:22:02,900
but that section I do—

1268
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:08,379
I do think that yellow probably encroaches
further into that center section than

1269
01:22:08,379 --> 01:22:11,393
than it's showing right there. Anybody
else?

1270
01:22:11,393 --> 01:22:14,475
One simple question, and Sam brought this
up.

1271
01:22:14,475 --> 01:22:19,407
Is there a way, whether it's Yanalli— the
state owns thousands of acres,

1272
01:22:19,407 --> 01:22:22,009
controls thousands of acres out of 50.

1273
01:22:22,009 --> 01:22:27,626
Well, I don't know that we really need to
waste time coloring those one way or the

1274
01:22:27,626 --> 01:22:31,187
other. I don't know that they're up for
development.

1275
01:22:31,187 --> 01:22:35,913
Uh, and that's in that north, that
corridor, that northeast corridor,

1276
01:22:35,913 --> 01:22:40,091
and then probably your central corridor
down toward Culeoaka.

1277
01:22:40,091 --> 01:22:43,790
They're not really— it's thousands of
acres out there.

1278
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:48,036
Same thing, maybe out towards Monsanto
with some of that land.

1279
01:22:48,036 --> 01:22:50,913
It's really not up for development at all.

1280
01:22:50,913 --> 01:22:53,995
So it doesn't really matter what color it
is.

1281
01:22:53,995 --> 01:22:58,378
I don't know if there's a way to highlight
it a different color.

1282
01:22:58,378 --> 01:22:59,953
No, my mind was though,

1283
01:22:59,953 --> 01:23:05,638
you might have less dense stuff as you get
closer to the river. Yeah. Anybody else?

1284
01:23:05,638 --> 01:23:08,789
Hit your light so we can— y'all, I know.
Okay.

1285
01:23:08,789 --> 01:23:14,268
We just, we can only have 3 mics on at a
time and we gotta be able to record the

1286
01:23:14,268 --> 01:23:16,460
meeting and let the public hear.

1287
01:23:16,460 --> 01:23:20,706
So you gotta give me time to get your mic
turned on. I gotcha.

1288
01:23:20,706 --> 01:23:24,816
Uh, I think it would be good to see some
of those, you know,

1289
01:23:24,816 --> 01:23:28,377
areas on the map that are just, you know,
like some,

1290
01:23:28,377 --> 01:23:32,829
some of this older mined land that nobody
wants to see developed.

1291
01:23:32,829 --> 01:23:38,172
I mean, You know, I know there's been
questions of it since I've been here for

1292
01:23:38,172 --> 01:23:38,309
questions of it since I've been here for
20

1293
01:23:38,309 --> 01:23:43,856
years. You know, there's always somebody
wanting to bring 1,000 homes to Monsanto

1294
01:23:43,856 --> 01:23:47,076
or, you know, something going on at Arrow
Lake.

1295
01:23:47,076 --> 01:23:52,486
You know, if, if some of that was notated
on this future land use to like, hey,

1296
01:23:52,486 --> 01:23:57,897
we don't— I don't know that there's a
classification that you want to put on it

1297
01:23:57,897 --> 01:23:58,034
classification that you want to put on it
or

1298
01:23:58,034 --> 01:23:59,746
what, but like, you know,

1299
01:23:59,746 --> 01:24:04,541
areas that just in general shouldn't be or
don't need to be developed.

1300
01:24:04,541 --> 01:24:06,527
I mean, does that make sense?

1301
01:24:06,527 --> 01:24:10,568
And like Yanalli, I mean, it's, you know,
it's a huge area.

1302
01:24:10,568 --> 01:24:13,239
You haven't spoke all night. Go for it.

1303
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:17,623
So I had the same thought that That Sam
just so eloquently said.

1304
01:24:17,623 --> 01:24:22,075
We've got these properties, and it's been
mentioned here tonight,

1305
01:24:22,075 --> 01:24:25,294
the large development on the Monsanto
property,

1306
01:24:25,294 --> 01:24:29,609
that I live out that way and know a lot of
people out that way.

1307
01:24:29,609 --> 01:24:32,143
They don't want that out in Santa Fe.

1308
01:24:32,143 --> 01:24:35,225
And again, I don't know what that looks
like,

1309
01:24:35,225 --> 01:24:39,951
but I would like to see somehow those
properties maybe have their own

1310
01:24:39,951 --> 01:24:40,910
properties maybe have their own
designation to

1311
01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:46,115
where we don't get ourselves in a
situation where we've got big money coming

1312
01:24:46,115 --> 01:24:46,458
situation where we've got big money coming
at us

1313
01:24:46,458 --> 01:24:49,677
hot. And as some of you know, there's,
there's,

1314
01:24:49,677 --> 01:24:54,951
there's a long story with some of these
properties that cost the county money

1315
01:24:54,951 --> 01:25:00,361
perpetually, and we just weren't prepared
when these people came down the road.

1316
01:25:00,361 --> 01:25:05,019
Anybody else? Do what? Oh, uh, Sam, is
that you? Is that your light?

1317
01:25:05,019 --> 01:25:10,567
Sorry, I got This is more of a process
question, again, kind of similar to UGB's,

1318
01:25:10,567 --> 01:25:16,046
but we keep talking about how we should
leave areas for development to stop city

1319
01:25:16,046 --> 01:25:20,224
annexation. And I get the concept and I
generally believe it,

1320
01:25:20,224 --> 01:25:23,169
but there's another part of me that's
like,

1321
01:25:23,169 --> 01:25:26,868
we need to vision this county how we
actually want it.

1322
01:25:26,868 --> 01:25:30,977
Don't make space for developers if we
don't want them there,

1323
01:25:30,977 --> 01:25:33,306
and then go get state law changed.

1324
01:25:33,306 --> 01:25:37,552
Like, and I don't know So I guess from a
planning perspective,

1325
01:25:37,552 --> 01:25:43,305
I think we paint the vision how we want it
and then try to make it happen instead of

1326
01:25:43,305 --> 01:25:48,237
leaving space for development that we
don't actually want or can afford.

1327
01:25:48,237 --> 01:25:51,251
So, all right, Dustin, you raised your
hand.

1328
01:25:51,251 --> 01:25:53,853
I'm going to allow it because, I mean,

1329
01:25:53,853 --> 01:25:58,442
I think this is the kind of meeting that
the public wanted earlier.

1330
01:25:58,442 --> 01:26:03,373
And so, um, talking about that there's a
lot more development out there,

1331
01:26:03,373 --> 01:26:07,962
not all that development out there that's
going on is legal either.

1332
01:26:07,962 --> 01:26:13,579
It didn't— a lot of that didn't go before
the Planning Commission and should have.

1333
01:26:13,579 --> 01:26:15,086
So I don't want, like,

1334
01:26:15,086 --> 01:26:20,770
that all to get lumped in as being growth
until we absolutely know that all of that

1335
01:26:20,770 --> 01:26:25,428
was done properly, which kind of brings to
the next point, which is—

1336
01:26:25,428 --> 01:26:30,839
and this echoing what Sam just said— I
think it's a loser argument to say, hey,

1337
01:26:30,839 --> 01:26:35,496
we've got to make room for developers or
the city is going to annex.

1338
01:26:35,496 --> 01:26:40,496
I mean, that's I said, let's figure out
what do we want the county to be.

1339
01:26:40,496 --> 01:26:45,085
And quite honestly, we should have been
fighting these annexations.

1340
01:26:45,085 --> 01:26:47,756
I mean, and we should be going forward.

1341
01:26:47,756 --> 01:26:53,030
And I mean, you look at the one in Mount
Pleasant that was stopped last year,

1342
01:26:53,030 --> 01:26:56,591
that should have been happening over and
over again.

1343
01:26:56,591 --> 01:26:59,057
And we wouldn't be in this position.

1344
01:26:59,057 --> 01:27:00,324
But—

1345
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:05,764
I don't think that it's the right move to
say that we're going to—

1346
01:27:05,764 --> 01:27:10,630
just because we're afraid that the city is
going to do something wrong,

1347
01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:15,977
that we're going to try to fill that void
so that we can control that process.

1348
01:27:15,977 --> 01:27:18,924
I think that's the wrong way to look at
it.

1349
01:27:18,924 --> 01:27:24,682
I think we need to figure out what is the
collective vision for everybody that lives

1350
01:27:24,682 --> 01:27:26,532
here, and whatever that is,

1351
01:27:26,532 --> 01:27:32,084
let's go towards that without trying to
worry about what everybody else is doing.

1352
01:27:32,084 --> 01:27:37,842
And then let's try to fight off all these
other people that are infringing on how we

1353
01:27:37,842 --> 01:27:42,434
want the vision to be. And that is very
doable if we'll just do it.

1354
01:27:42,434 --> 01:27:47,780
And the last thing is, I think we need
some maps that have the infrastructure,

1355
01:27:47,780 --> 01:27:53,401
because I was thinking Christy liked the
infrastructure trigger before it would go

1356
01:27:53,401 --> 01:27:55,252
before Planning Commission.

1357
01:27:55,252 --> 01:28:00,735
So if we had a map that showed where all
the existing water lines and electrical

1358
01:28:00,735 --> 01:28:02,106
service already was.

1359
01:28:02,106 --> 01:28:06,424
And I know that we probably could get that
for the water lines,

1360
01:28:06,424 --> 01:28:11,907
but I think that's like really important
because there's some areas that already

1361
01:28:11,907 --> 01:28:12,113
because there's some areas that already
has

1362
01:28:12,113 --> 01:28:16,568
the infrastructure in place that they
could absorb a development.

1363
01:28:16,568 --> 01:28:21,229
And then there's some to where you would
have to add infrastructure.

1364
01:28:21,229 --> 01:28:24,039
Well, if they have to add infrastructure,

1365
01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:29,386
that's a trigger to where it would at
least go back before the County Planning

1366
01:28:29,386 --> 01:28:32,539
Commission so that we have a say-so in it.
So.

1367
01:28:32,539 --> 01:28:37,885
So that's like another one of those
factors as far as an overlay that could be

1368
01:28:37,885 --> 01:28:38,091
factors as far as an overlay that could be
put

1369
01:28:38,091 --> 01:28:43,437
on one of these maps to show where is our
existing infrastructure now where it

1370
01:28:43,437 --> 01:28:46,247
wouldn't have to be added. And that's it.

1371
01:28:46,247 --> 01:28:49,332
And I'll let y'all fight over the rest of
it.

1372
01:28:49,332 --> 01:28:52,005
Theresa, did you want to say something?

1373
01:28:52,005 --> 01:28:55,569
I just want to echo Dustin's comments on
annexation.

1374
01:28:55,569 --> 01:29:00,298
There is clear— and he can speak to this
obviously better than I can,

1375
01:29:00,298 --> 01:29:05,987
but there's Clear precedent that if cities
are annexing for the sole purpose of tax

1376
01:29:05,987 --> 01:29:08,729
revenue, it's not— it will not stand up.

1377
01:29:08,729 --> 01:29:11,951
It has to be challenged, but it won't
stand up.

1378
01:29:11,951 --> 01:29:15,104
They can annex to improve services like
water.

1379
01:29:15,104 --> 01:29:20,381
Well, that's obviously not going to be a
reason when the City of Columbia has

1380
01:29:20,381 --> 01:29:25,865
declared an existential water crisis. So
there's really no basis for annexation.

1381
01:29:25,865 --> 01:29:31,143
We should create the vision we want for
this county. Diversified zoning is an

1382
01:29:31,143 --> 01:29:31,485
this county. Diversified zoning is an
idea.

1383
01:29:31,485 --> 01:29:36,832
15 acres next to the Duck River, 10 acres,
5 acres, 1 acre— is that difficult?

1384
01:29:36,832 --> 01:29:42,178
Yes, that's not easy, but it brings
intuition to what we're trying to achieve,

1385
01:29:42,178 --> 01:29:46,839
the vision we have for the county. And
lastly, I will just say data.

1386
01:29:46,839 --> 01:29:50,266
We can't make any of these decisions
without data.

1387
01:29:50,266 --> 01:29:55,407
None of these decisions are— we need to
know the roads, the infrastructure.

1388
01:29:55,407 --> 01:29:59,930
We need to know the economic impact.
Subdivisions cost more money.

1389
01:29:59,930 --> 01:30:02,809
Subdivisions suck money out of the county.

1390
01:30:02,809 --> 01:30:05,688
Farmland puts money back into the economy.

1391
01:30:05,688 --> 01:30:06,505
Thank you.

1392
01:30:06,923 --> 01:30:11,602
We need to know these things. We cannot
make these decisions without data.

1393
01:30:11,602 --> 01:30:15,395
So I just offer that up as things to think
about. Thank you.

1394
01:30:15,395 --> 01:30:19,947
Well, all right, I'm going to allow it.
Chris, come on up. He was first.

1395
01:30:19,947 --> 01:30:24,183
Chris was first. Real quick, just, uh,
Chris Grambling, District 9.

1396
01:30:24,183 --> 01:30:28,482
I'm text— I've been talking with Pater all
day and texting with him.

1397
01:30:28,482 --> 01:30:31,201
He, he agrees with this, that we need
data,

1398
01:30:31,201 --> 01:30:36,196
we need to be working from the updated
maps, and I know a lot of people respect

1399
01:30:36,196 --> 01:30:36,449
maps, and I know a lot of people respect
him,

1400
01:30:36,449 --> 01:30:39,863
so I just wanted to pass his voice on
here. Thank you.

1401
01:30:39,863 --> 01:30:42,202
Thank you for the second chance here.

1402
01:30:42,202 --> 01:30:45,426
Some things on the maps that I did want to
address,

1403
01:30:45,426 --> 01:30:49,093
because geography is very important here
in Murray County.

1404
01:30:49,093 --> 01:30:54,151
If you are over here on the I-65 side and
you go that direction off to the east,

1405
01:30:54,151 --> 01:30:58,261
you've got almost solid rock all the way
over there to Lewisburg.

1406
01:30:58,261 --> 01:31:03,445
Okay, it is extremely difficult to build,
dig water lines, do anything over there.

1407
01:31:03,445 --> 01:31:06,290
It limits what you're going to be able to
do.

1408
01:31:06,290 --> 01:31:11,601
When you come over the other direction and
go up Highway 50, that was Monsanto land.

1409
01:31:11,601 --> 01:31:16,343
There's a map I gave you guys that you can
look at and follow where all the

1410
01:31:16,343 --> 01:31:20,895
limestone is, and it has the detail of
where those phosphate mines were.

1411
01:31:20,895 --> 01:31:23,424
Those areas— But not to be in buildings.

1412
01:31:23,424 --> 01:31:25,194
Like we've mentioned before,

1413
01:31:25,194 --> 01:31:29,240
are probably not suitable for any kind of
Real good development.

1414
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,769
I— when I'm looking at land with people,

1415
01:31:31,769 --> 01:31:35,689
I avoid those spots because I know it's
going to be a problem.

1416
01:31:35,689 --> 01:31:38,471
When you go up towards Santa Fe, it's
hills.

1417
01:31:38,471 --> 01:31:43,656
Now, you're not going to have a developer
come into the area and go up those hills

1418
01:31:43,656 --> 01:31:45,615
and try to put in 30, 40 homes.

1419
01:31:45,615 --> 01:31:50,104
At best, you're going to get one house on
maybe 5 to 10 acres. At best.

1420
01:31:50,104 --> 01:31:54,783
You might be able to squeeze in a smaller
lot down in the lower section or

1421
01:31:54,783 --> 01:31:57,818
something, but it is going to be very
difficult.

1422
01:31:57,818 --> 01:32:03,065
So I really want you guys to be thinking
about the geography with this plan because

1423
01:32:03,065 --> 01:32:07,428
it does factor in significantly.
Floodplains, I think, need a buffer.

1424
01:32:07,428 --> 01:32:10,905
You need to have some sort of a buffer to
protect them.

1425
01:32:10,905 --> 01:32:13,940
I completely agree with the Duck River
comments.

1426
01:32:13,940 --> 01:32:18,682
It is one of our— it's our most important
resource that we have right here,

1427
01:32:18,682 --> 01:32:22,475
the water. So we need to protect that and
the water sources.

1428
01:32:22,475 --> 01:32:27,723
I don't think you do a lot minimum around
those, though. I think you do a distance.

1429
01:32:27,723 --> 01:32:30,252
You keep people a certain distance away,

1430
01:32:30,252 --> 01:32:35,246
and then you allow the configuration of
the lots to kind of happen the way that

1431
01:32:35,246 --> 01:32:35,499
the lots to kind of happen the way that
they

1432
01:32:35,499 --> 01:32:39,862
can, with all respect to the— excuse me—
the natural geography of it.

1433
01:32:39,862 --> 01:32:44,856
The other thing is, I don't know how much
you guys are aware of septic and soil

1434
01:32:44,856 --> 01:32:46,943
testing and those kind of things,

1435
01:32:46,943 --> 01:32:51,748
but that area over to the east is almost
unperkable in a lot of those spots.

1436
01:32:51,748 --> 01:32:55,857
So you'll have to have city sewer in order
to create development,

1437
01:32:55,857 --> 01:33:00,978
or something like a step system, which
we're not really wanting to do here. Okay?

1438
01:33:00,978 --> 01:33:04,961
So we're avoiding the step systems, but
over here on this side,

1439
01:33:04,961 --> 01:33:08,881
you're not going to be able to get a lot
of septic systems in.

1440
01:33:08,881 --> 01:33:13,686
So at the very minimum, you've got to have
a 1-acre lot for a septic system.

1441
01:33:13,686 --> 01:33:15,140
If you expand that out,

1442
01:33:15,140 --> 01:33:20,072
you're going to naturally end up with a
larger lot in order to find a suitable

1443
01:33:20,072 --> 01:33:23,233
septic area. So there's a ton of factors
in there.

1444
01:33:23,233 --> 01:33:26,521
If at any time anybody needs to talk to me
about it,

1445
01:33:26,521 --> 01:33:29,745
my phone number's on that packet I sent
over there.

1446
01:33:29,745 --> 01:33:33,665
I'm more than happy to offer anything I
know. Okay. All right.

1447
01:33:33,665 --> 01:33:38,597
I don't— okay, I do have a light. Uh,
yeah, you had to spoke all night, Donna.

1448
01:33:38,597 --> 01:33:39,292
Is it Dawn?

1449
01:33:39,711 --> 01:33:39,872
Dawn.

1450
01:33:39,968 --> 01:33:41,063
Dawn. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Dawn.

1451
01:33:41,063 --> 01:33:42,451
Just a couple things.

1452
01:33:42,451 --> 01:33:47,208
So everything that's been said about the
river, I completely agree with.

1453
01:33:47,208 --> 01:33:51,239
So I run a business on the river. I watch
river levels daily.

1454
01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:55,930
And I can tell you, in the last 10 years,
the river rises more quickly—

1455
01:33:55,930 --> 01:34:01,084
and I'm at mile 156 on the Duck— the river
rises more quickly than it used to,

1456
01:34:01,084 --> 01:34:06,436
and it's from development in Spring Hill
and all of that pouring into Flat Creek.

1457
01:34:06,436 --> 01:34:11,722
It comes in between gauges, between the
Milltown gauge and the Pottsville gauge.

1458
01:34:11,722 --> 01:34:14,893
But I see this. I can't prove it
scientifically.

1459
01:34:14,893 --> 01:34:19,849
It's all anecdotal, but I see this
happening from loss of permeable surface

1460
01:34:19,849 --> 01:34:20,246
happening from loss of permeable surface
in the

1461
01:34:20,246 --> 01:34:24,540
Spring Hill area. We muddy up more
quickly. We rise more quickly.

1462
01:34:24,540 --> 01:34:27,646
And the gentleman that just spoke about
septic,

1463
01:34:27,646 --> 01:34:32,932
if you spend any time walking the woods or
on the river or any of the properties

1464
01:34:32,932 --> 01:34:35,971
around 431 Sowell Mill and out that
direction,

1465
01:34:35,971 --> 01:34:39,275
you can walk acres of land and never touch
ground.

1466
01:34:39,275 --> 01:34:42,183
You're going from one rock slab to the
next.

1467
01:34:42,183 --> 01:34:47,469
Some of the land size or the plot sizes
would have to be a very organic approach

1468
01:34:47,469 --> 01:34:52,490
because you simply cannot build. You can't
get septic, you can't dig a well.

1469
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:54,010
And that was it for me.

1470
01:34:54,010 --> 01:34:58,704
All right. Sam, is that you? Question for
you and Mr. Townsend.

1471
01:34:58,704 --> 01:35:03,844
What would you recommend we do in that
corner then if It's all rocks,

1472
01:35:03,844 --> 01:35:05,483
just out of curiosity.

1473
01:35:05,483 --> 01:35:06,973
Personally, I think—

1474
01:35:06,973 --> 01:35:13,157
I don't think you can judge what each lot
is going to be without knowing the ground

1475
01:35:13,157 --> 01:35:19,042
conditions. I think it's going to be
extremely hard to designate this has to be

1476
01:35:19,042 --> 01:35:19,117
extremely hard to designate this has to be
1

1477
01:35:19,117 --> 01:35:21,873
acre, this has to be 5 acres on that.

1478
01:35:21,873 --> 01:35:26,493
Like, like she just mentioned a second
ago, it's more organic.

1479
01:35:26,493 --> 01:35:28,430
You've got the rock there.

1480
01:35:28,430 --> 01:35:34,613
You, you, I mean, my own property, I'm on
the north side of Columbia, and I can go—

1481
01:35:34,613 --> 01:35:39,307
gosh, we dug a 1,000-foot water line in,
hit rock in one place,

1482
01:35:39,307 --> 01:35:44,894
but the whole house site was rock. We've
got a pile of rock back behind us.

1483
01:35:44,894 --> 01:35:51,003
It is everywhere. And you can walk 20 feet
over on the same lot and then hit rock,

1484
01:35:51,003 --> 01:35:55,324
and then 5 feet over from that, you've got
a perfect spot.

1485
01:35:55,324 --> 01:35:58,677
You just don't know what's under the
surface.

1486
01:35:58,677 --> 01:35:58,805
Okay.

1487
01:35:58,870 --> 01:36:01,649
the soil until you actually start digging.

1488
01:36:01,649 --> 01:36:05,883
And that's why we use soil people who come
out, soil scientists,

1489
01:36:05,883 --> 01:36:09,257
to come out and do those perk tests and
everything.

1490
01:36:09,257 --> 01:36:12,566
So flexibility is probably what you
actually need,

1491
01:36:12,566 --> 01:36:18,123
some sort of flexibility in that lot size,
whether it be 1 to 5 acres, or, you know,

1492
01:36:18,123 --> 01:36:20,505
like a range or something like that.

1493
01:36:20,505 --> 01:36:22,754
Or if you have some way to offset,

1494
01:36:22,754 --> 01:36:28,114
maybe you've got a 1-acre lot here and But
it's offset with 2 or 3 other acres of

1495
01:36:28,114 --> 01:36:30,363
woods and natural kind of terrain.

1496
01:36:30,363 --> 01:36:32,613
So, I mean, there's options there,

1497
01:36:32,613 --> 01:36:37,509
but I don't think it's possible to
designate this can be this amount right

1498
01:36:37,509 --> 01:36:37,839
designate this can be this amount right
here.

1499
01:36:37,839 --> 01:36:42,405
One clarification. If it was 1 acre and
you couldn't build on 1 acre,

1500
01:36:42,405 --> 01:36:46,308
would you need a 1 to 5 designation or
something like that?

1501
01:36:46,308 --> 01:36:50,476
Because if you couldn't build on 1, you
might need 3, to build.

1502
01:36:50,476 --> 01:36:55,571
You might need 2, you might need 5, but
you're not saying you have to have 5.

1503
01:36:55,571 --> 01:36:57,622
Because again, if it's organic,

1504
01:36:57,622 --> 01:37:02,716
you may have a cluster where you have
little 1-acre lots that you could build

1505
01:37:02,716 --> 01:37:06,554
multiple houses, and then you may have 30
acres you can't.

1506
01:37:06,554 --> 01:37:11,648
So I, I think that we can, we can get into
the weeds on everything like that,

1507
01:37:11,648 --> 01:37:16,941
but if we're looking at the totality and
the generality of it, Where do we land?

1508
01:37:16,941 --> 01:37:18,860
Do we say you have to have 5,

1509
01:37:18,860 --> 01:37:23,425
or do we say if you have 1 but it takes 4
to get your water and your,

1510
01:37:23,425 --> 01:37:27,726
and your septic, then 4 is it? So I don't
know where we're going.

1511
01:37:27,726 --> 01:37:30,504
It's great conversation. Where does it go?

1512
01:37:30,504 --> 01:37:34,805
And I think that's the, the conversation
around the area, though.

1513
01:37:34,805 --> 01:37:39,238
And I think if we go from every area,
we're going to have that same

1514
01:37:39,238 --> 01:37:40,098
we're going to have that same
conversation,

1515
01:37:40,098 --> 01:37:42,877
is where do you land within that? I agree.

1516
01:37:42,877 --> 01:37:48,170
I got— are you able to put together the
GIS layers that we've been talking about

1517
01:37:48,170 --> 01:37:52,602
with the map, with water lines and
existing services and, you know,

1518
01:37:52,602 --> 01:37:56,903
school locations and all that kind of
stuff with what you've got?

1519
01:37:56,903 --> 01:38:01,932
I need to verify with my coworker who does
all the GIS what we have,

1520
01:38:01,932 --> 01:38:05,482
but I believe we have a lot of that
information.

1521
01:38:05,482 --> 01:38:11,250
I don't know how detailed, like, the
utility information and stuff we have is,

1522
01:38:11,250 --> 01:38:16,575
but I can double-check with Max and, and
get back with you guys on that,

1523
01:38:16,575 --> 01:38:19,607
of kind of what we have. I know for sure—

1524
01:38:19,607 --> 01:38:22,047
County GIS can do it with our county.

1525
01:38:22,047 --> 01:38:24,793
I mean, and if somebody has it, we'll take
it.

1526
01:38:24,793 --> 01:38:28,443
Well, I'm asking— no, I'm asking Scott,
with our—

1527
01:38:28,443 --> 01:38:32,465
I know you do GIS for another county, but
do you— how—

1528
01:38:32,465 --> 01:38:36,189
what layers do we have in Murray that you
know of?

1529
01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:42,371
Right, okay, so what everything I've heard
tonight is that this isn't going to take

1530
01:38:42,371 --> 01:38:46,393
6 months. It's going to take a lot more
than 6 months.

1531
01:38:46,393 --> 01:38:49,819
Okay, anybody else this evening want to
speak?

1532
01:38:49,819 --> 01:38:54,363
And while we're still up here on the
northeast, you know, Mr.

1533
01:38:54,363 --> 01:38:59,130
Perryman is correct, a lot of good
discussion, but where are we?

1534
01:38:59,130 --> 01:39:00,694
Yes, ma'am, go ahead.

1535
01:39:00,694 --> 01:39:06,409
So what I think, you know, again, this has
been a really interesting conversation,

1536
01:39:06,409 --> 01:39:09,823
and I think what I'm getting from it is
You know,

1537
01:39:09,823 --> 01:39:15,120
if we can sort of identify these areas
where you're not sure what to do with

1538
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:15,468
where you're not sure what to do with
them,

1539
01:39:15,468 --> 01:39:19,859
those can be the areas that I dig into the
details of the lots.

1540
01:39:19,859 --> 01:39:24,946
Like, again, we can't do an in-depth
per-lot analysis of every lot of the

1541
01:39:24,946 --> 01:39:25,434
per-lot analysis of every lot of the
county,

1542
01:39:25,434 --> 01:39:27,943
but we don't need to do that either.

1543
01:39:27,943 --> 01:39:31,985
You know, we can kind of focus on some of
these areas and,

1544
01:39:31,985 --> 01:39:35,957
and then kind of have that data and build
it off of that.

1545
01:39:35,957 --> 01:39:36,165
Okay.

1546
01:39:37,448 --> 01:39:42,154
And also, yeah, the densities in the
future land use categories would be

1547
01:39:42,154 --> 01:39:42,872
future land use categories would be
established

1548
01:39:42,872 --> 01:39:44,572
like recommended minimums.

1549
01:39:44,572 --> 01:39:47,905
And so that 1-acre would be that minimum
threshold,

1550
01:39:47,905 --> 01:39:50,780
that 5-acre would be that minimum
threshold.

1551
01:39:50,780 --> 01:39:56,009
So like nothing in this would say like you
couldn't have a 50-acre farm in rural

1552
01:39:56,009 --> 01:40:01,041
residential. Like that's all, you know,
agriculture and farming, conservation

1553
01:40:01,041 --> 01:40:01,433
agriculture and farming, conservation
lands,

1554
01:40:01,433 --> 01:40:06,139
all of those fall within those appropriate
uses under rural residential.

1555
01:40:06,139 --> 01:40:06,235
Okay.

1556
01:40:06,638 --> 01:40:08,922
How we describe that, and again,

1557
01:40:08,922 --> 01:40:13,134
we can describe these land use categories
however you want.

1558
01:40:13,134 --> 01:40:16,560
So we don't have to say minimum lot size 1
acre.

1559
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,771
We could say, you know, no development
under— I don't know.

1560
01:40:20,771 --> 01:40:25,339
Well, I mean, we can think about, like,
again, how to, you know,

1561
01:40:25,339 --> 01:40:27,695
how to set up those descriptions.

1562
01:40:27,695 --> 01:40:32,406
So if we need to be more flexible with
them, we can do that. Okay.

1563
01:40:33,842 --> 01:40:37,263
So can we get her a list of the layers
that we want?

1564
01:40:37,263 --> 01:40:41,671
And, you know, we may have 5 different
maps to look at, but that's—

1565
01:40:41,671 --> 01:40:44,039
we have 5 different maps to look at.

1566
01:40:44,039 --> 01:40:49,500
Like, for me, historically, I want to make
absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt,

1567
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:51,802
sure that cemeteries are preserved.

1568
01:40:51,802 --> 01:40:55,881
I've heard a lot of horror stories here
recently on, you know,

1569
01:40:55,881 --> 01:40:58,381
cemeteries having stones knocked over.

1570
01:40:58,381 --> 01:40:58,605
Yeah.

1571
01:40:58,864 --> 01:41:03,216
The county south of here where a guy owns
some land and his family cemetery

1572
01:41:03,216 --> 01:41:05,072
completely mowed over, you know.

1573
01:41:05,072 --> 01:41:08,264
So that would be like a layer that I would
want to see.

1574
01:41:08,264 --> 01:41:11,339
We want to see the water layers and things
like that.

1575
01:41:11,339 --> 01:41:13,196
So I guess we need to, you know,

1576
01:41:13,196 --> 01:41:16,445
come up with a list on what layers it is
we want to see.

1577
01:41:16,445 --> 01:41:19,404
And, you know, if somebody particularly
says, okay,

1578
01:41:19,404 --> 01:41:23,001
the northeast quadrant of the county It's
all rocks, you know.

1579
01:41:23,001 --> 01:41:27,005
What are we going to do with that? You
know, what's that going to be?

1580
01:41:27,005 --> 01:41:31,763
Um, you know, Santa Fe, the hills, what's
that going to be? They're exactly right.

1581
01:41:31,763 --> 01:41:36,579
Like I said, good discussion tonight, but
I guess we need to work on getting those,

1582
01:41:36,579 --> 01:41:39,596
those maps and those layers so that we can
see that.

1583
01:41:39,596 --> 01:41:43,831
And it looks like we got more meetings
coming up, guys. Anybody else this

1584
01:41:43,831 --> 01:41:44,296
coming up, guys. Anybody else this
evening?

1585
01:41:44,296 --> 01:41:47,835
I mean, where, where are we going tonight?
What else we want?

1586
01:41:47,835 --> 01:41:49,376
National Grounds.

1587
01:41:49,730 --> 01:41:53,057
I'm sorry? Commissioner Grooms. Yes, sir.

1588
01:41:53,057 --> 01:41:59,305
County Commission Chairman Grooms just got
back from fishing in Alaska. Yeah.

1589
01:41:59,305 --> 01:42:03,363
I think one thing you had to do— you
mentioned it—

1590
01:42:03,363 --> 01:42:09,449
but there's a lot of land that's old
company land that we don't want nobody

1591
01:42:09,449 --> 01:42:10,098
company land that we don't want nobody
building

1592
01:42:10,098 --> 01:42:16,508
on. There's a lot of it around Mount
Pleasant. So you need to find those areas.

1593
01:42:16,508 --> 01:42:22,107
They need to be set aside to where, you
know, hey, we don't— this is—

1594
01:42:22,107 --> 01:42:26,733
there's no building here because of what
was here before.

1595
01:42:26,733 --> 01:42:33,387
I mean, I know all of that land has been
mitigated, but there's still stuff there.

1596
01:42:33,387 --> 01:42:39,473
It's the big chunk of land right there
that you see if you go back to Mount

1597
01:42:39,473 --> 01:42:40,203
Pleasant.

1598
01:42:40,203 --> 01:42:40,365
Yes.

1599
01:42:40,365 --> 01:42:47,287
I think that's pretty— that is Old company
land, or what were the— Stauffer?

1600
01:42:47,785 --> 01:42:48,123
It's not—

1601
01:42:48,235 --> 01:42:53,753
it wasn't Stauffer. I think it was Mobile
at the time. Stauffer's on the other side.

1602
01:42:53,753 --> 01:42:59,139
Okay. So there's— it's a lot of stuff out
there that you need to find out where it

1603
01:42:59,139 --> 01:42:59,336
is.

1604
01:42:59,336 --> 01:43:03,988
Um, like non-environmentally able?

1605
01:43:03,988 --> 01:43:05,248
Yes, yes, yes.

1606
01:43:05,248 --> 01:43:06,798
Yeah, I don't—

1607
01:43:06,798 --> 01:43:12,039
Uh, you also have Other businesses that
have land that doesn't need to be built on

1608
01:43:12,039 --> 01:43:16,194
either. So, but you need to find those
areas for sure. All right.

1609
01:43:16,194 --> 01:43:21,307
So what I would encourage everybody on the
committee then is if you've got a map

1610
01:43:21,307 --> 01:43:24,184
layer that you want to see or concerned
with,

1611
01:43:24,184 --> 01:43:28,722
email that to Robert and let's start
finding these maps and doing that.

1612
01:43:28,722 --> 01:43:33,772
And, you know, if we got to bring in
another projector and show it on the wall.

1613
01:43:33,772 --> 01:43:36,904
Actually, yeah, we can split screen a
little bit.

1614
01:43:36,904 --> 01:43:39,652
We, you know, we'll come up with
something.

1615
01:43:39,652 --> 01:43:43,487
Yeah, we would have to get— well, we can,
we can figure out—

1616
01:43:43,487 --> 01:43:48,089
we can get Bill Wells and technology
involved. Yeah, okay. Anybody else?

1617
01:43:48,089 --> 01:43:52,436
I have a light. Randy, come on. Tell us
your name and your district.

1618
01:43:52,436 --> 01:43:55,248
You hadn't spoken. Randy Notley, District
8.

1619
01:43:55,248 --> 01:43:59,978
I just wanted to point out, since we were
looking at the northeast— Randy,

1620
01:43:59,978 --> 01:44:03,302
pull that mic up a little bit and talk
into the mic.

1621
01:44:03,302 --> 01:44:06,690
Northeast quadrant here, since we're
looking at that,

1622
01:44:06,690 --> 01:44:09,949
there is a number of developments going on
already.

1623
01:44:09,949 --> 01:44:15,191
I don't think any of them are complete yet
on the west side of 431 between Keidron

1624
01:44:15,191 --> 01:44:20,304
and Flat Creek. And last night at the
Planning Commission, they approved another

1625
01:44:20,304 --> 01:44:20,496
Planning Commission, they approved another
82,

1626
01:44:20,496 --> 01:44:25,673
I believe, house project up there. And
it's showing it all green there right now.

1627
01:44:25,673 --> 01:44:28,933
And that's— that by the time we get done
with this,

1628
01:44:28,933 --> 01:44:31,618
that's going to be all developed up there.

1629
01:44:31,618 --> 01:44:34,686
The developers are moving in on that real
quick.

1630
01:44:34,686 --> 01:44:37,243
So I don't know how buildable it all is.

1631
01:44:37,243 --> 01:44:42,100
I don't know who they're going to sell
those homes to because real estate in

1632
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:42,484
those homes to because real estate in
Spring

1633
01:44:42,484 --> 01:44:44,338
Hill is pretty bad right now.

1634
01:44:44,338 --> 01:44:49,451
But should be aware of that because that
quadrant shows all green up there right

1635
01:44:49,451 --> 01:44:53,478
now, and that whole west side is
checkerboarded with All right.

1636
01:44:53,478 --> 01:44:57,505
Sam, you want to say something? What is
the best practice here?

1637
01:44:57,505 --> 01:45:02,618
Like, is it— there should be a standard
check sheet of you guys need this layer,

1638
01:45:02,618 --> 01:45:05,303
this layer, this layer, this layer, right?

1639
01:45:05,303 --> 01:45:07,987
Like, I feel like we're sort of wandering.

1640
01:45:07,987 --> 01:45:13,037
You know, are we about to go down rabbit
holes that are just going to waste our

1641
01:45:13,037 --> 01:45:13,293
holes that are just going to waste our
time

1642
01:45:13,293 --> 01:45:14,507
is what I'm asking.

1643
01:45:14,507 --> 01:45:20,647
There is a lot of information available
And a lot of things that could go into an

1644
01:45:20,647 --> 01:45:26,938
analysis for this. You can definitely make
it way more complicated than it probably

1645
01:45:26,938 --> 01:45:33,230
needs to be, but it's really up to you all
as a community what you want to consider

1646
01:45:33,230 --> 01:45:38,763
as important. Every future land use
process we do with every community is

1647
01:45:38,763 --> 01:45:39,521
process we do with every community is
different.

1648
01:45:39,521 --> 01:45:44,827
When we did Frankfort and Franklin County
in Kentucky, They literally—

1649
01:45:44,827 --> 01:45:50,967
I think they had like 20-some advisory
committee meetings and they went parcel by

1650
01:45:50,967 --> 01:45:55,212
parcel. It took forever, but they went
parcel by parcel.

1651
01:45:55,212 --> 01:46:01,276
I wasn't, you know, we didn't have the
budget for me to be at every one of those

1652
01:46:01,276 --> 01:46:03,625
meetings, but that's an option.

1653
01:46:03,625 --> 01:46:06,961
You know, you could go even more high
level,

1654
01:46:06,961 --> 01:46:13,252
like we could get rid of the yellow and we
could just sort of have county land that

1655
01:46:13,252 --> 01:46:19,392
is agricultural or residential, you know,
like it's There's a lot of options for,

1656
01:46:19,392 --> 01:46:22,121
you know, where you guys want to go.

1657
01:46:22,121 --> 01:46:28,488
It kind of depends on how prescriptive do
you want your future land use map and your

1658
01:46:28,488 --> 01:46:31,444
plan to be. So there's no right answer.

1659
01:46:31,444 --> 01:46:33,324
Who? James, go ahead, James.

1660
01:46:33,324 --> 01:46:38,559
So when I, when I look at this map and all
the green that we have on this map,

1661
01:46:38,559 --> 01:46:42,386
I think of the soil types all over Marion
County. And Mr.

1662
01:46:42,386 --> 01:46:43,997
Townsend alluded to the,

1663
01:46:43,997 --> 01:46:48,964
the east side of the county over into
Marshall County being a lot of rock,

1664
01:46:48,964 --> 01:46:52,790
but the majority of Marion County is
pretty fertile land.

1665
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:58,160
And it's a personal struggle for me to
think about taking land out of production

1666
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:58,362
think about taking land out of production
out

1667
01:46:58,362 --> 01:47:03,799
of, out of land that's growing food for
the masses and putting a house or putting

1668
01:47:03,799 --> 01:47:03,866
the masses and putting a house or putting
a

1669
01:47:03,866 --> 01:47:06,887
concrete slab over for a factory or
whatever.

1670
01:47:06,887 --> 01:47:12,324
So, but I'm not entirely opposed to it if
it's land that's marginally productive.

1671
01:47:12,324 --> 01:47:17,761
So I maybe consider having some common
ground on areas that need to be left alone

1672
01:47:17,761 --> 01:47:23,064
and need to be kept in production for food
because I think our food security is

1673
01:47:23,064 --> 01:47:26,890
something we need to be very conscious of
as a community.

1674
01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:29,978
I think back to 2020 when COVID hit, you
know,

1675
01:47:29,978 --> 01:47:35,147
there was a bottleneck in our food chain
and we started seeing more of a need

1676
01:47:35,147 --> 01:47:40,181
locally for local supplied food. And I
hope we never experience that again.

1677
01:47:40,181 --> 01:47:45,552
And see, I remember going to Sonic and
they were putting a limit on burgers sold

1678
01:47:45,552 --> 01:47:48,908
because they just had such, such a lack of
supply.

1679
01:47:48,908 --> 01:47:53,942
And, uh, you know, we've got some rich
farmland that we produce some, some,

1680
01:47:53,942 --> 01:47:58,373
some really valuable commodities that are
feeding a lot of people,

1681
01:47:58,373 --> 01:48:02,199
including ourselves, and we don't need to
disregard that.

1682
01:48:02,199 --> 01:48:07,435
All right, Eric Perryman, you're up, and
then Sam, you're after him. Go ahead.

1683
01:48:07,435 --> 01:48:08,844
I'm gonna go back to—

1684
01:48:08,844 --> 01:48:13,476
and the map that you were paid to produce
that you brought last week,

1685
01:48:13,476 --> 01:48:16,564
I would love to know when you send that to
us,

1686
01:48:16,564 --> 01:48:21,934
the layers that you included In that map
as to how you got to where those growth

1687
01:48:21,934 --> 01:48:27,371
boundaries were, and whether those were
just existing or whether you looked at it

1688
01:48:27,371 --> 01:48:30,661
and said, this is what we used to
determine that.

1689
01:48:30,661 --> 01:48:35,091
And I think that I don't want to dismiss
your company's expertise,

1690
01:48:35,091 --> 01:48:37,440
and this is what you're here to do.

1691
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:43,012
And if you had validation, at least in the
thought that these existed for a reason,

1692
01:48:43,012 --> 01:48:48,046
I think we need to at least have some
discussion about why they were there.

1693
01:48:48,046 --> 01:48:52,477
And is it legitimate? But again, I think
this is great discussion.

1694
01:48:52,477 --> 01:48:57,377
We have to get some sort of criteria to
move forward so that we're all in

1695
01:48:57,377 --> 01:48:57,981
move forward so that we're all in
agreement

1696
01:48:57,981 --> 01:49:02,009
as to what we're looking at, because if
not, we're going to—

1697
01:49:02,009 --> 01:49:04,425
we're just going to walk in circles.

1698
01:49:04,425 --> 01:49:09,661
And we can do that because we all come at
it from a different perspective in a

1699
01:49:09,661 --> 01:49:12,145
different way. The truth is 20 years,

1700
01:49:12,145 --> 01:49:15,702
we don't know what this is going to look
like anyway.

1701
01:49:15,702 --> 01:49:18,052
We're just doing a good shot at it.

1702
01:49:18,052 --> 01:49:23,153
And, and there's technologies that
overcome all the things that we're saying

1703
01:49:23,153 --> 01:49:23,355
overcome all the things that we're saying
you

1704
01:49:23,355 --> 01:49:26,644
can't do and you can do. You can't build
on rock.

1705
01:49:26,644 --> 01:49:30,806
Well, Chapel Hill's exploding and it ain't
nothing but a rock.

1706
01:49:30,806 --> 01:49:34,364
So, you know, there's lots of things that
we can say.

1707
01:49:34,364 --> 01:49:37,317
We just have to do a fair shot for
citizens.

1708
01:49:37,317 --> 01:49:41,815
And I will say this, I don't want to go
county or parcel by parcel.

1709
01:49:41,815 --> 01:49:45,976
The less government's involved in my
parcel, the better it is.

1710
01:49:45,976 --> 01:49:51,279
And I sure don't want us to step into
everybody's world and say you can do this

1711
01:49:51,279 --> 01:49:51,414
everybody's world and say you can do this
or

1712
01:49:51,414 --> 01:49:56,113
do that. But the responsibility of the
committee is to say in an area,

1713
01:49:56,113 --> 01:50:00,409
this is what we consider best for the
county. And so I get that.

1714
01:50:00,409 --> 01:50:05,913
But I would love to see what criteria you
guys used to develop what you're paid to

1715
01:50:05,913 --> 01:50:06,450
develop.

1716
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:10,564
Yeah, and we can definitely get into all
of that.

1717
01:50:10,564 --> 01:50:14,174
I think from what I have on the screen
now,

1718
01:50:14,174 --> 01:50:20,975
we need to dig in and look in more detail
around Mount Pleasant, around Coleeoca,

1719
01:50:20,975 --> 01:50:23,746
these 2 areas around Spring Hill.

1720
01:50:23,746 --> 01:50:30,546
Are there any other areas of the county
that you think we should analyze for kind

1721
01:50:30,546 --> 01:50:32,981
of possible yellow inclusion?

1722
01:50:32,981 --> 01:50:34,539
I think Sam, this is Sam.

1723
01:50:34,539 --> 01:50:39,337
Um, you know, some of the people that have
talked tonight are concerned with,

1724
01:50:39,337 --> 01:50:41,892
you know, the removal of property rights.

1725
01:50:41,892 --> 01:50:46,129
And so if yesterday they could do 1-acre
lots throughout the county,

1726
01:50:46,129 --> 01:50:49,993
and tomorrow we say, well, these parcel by
parcel, go by road,

1727
01:50:49,993 --> 01:50:54,729
I don't care what we do it by, we are
going to be removing people's property

1728
01:50:54,729 --> 01:50:55,165
going to be removing people's property
rights.

1729
01:50:55,165 --> 01:50:59,215
And, you know, I, you know, that is not
something that, you know,

1730
01:50:59,215 --> 01:51:04,263
and I don't know if there's a trigger in
the zoning that can change some of that.

1731
01:51:04,263 --> 01:51:08,500
I mean, I understand the concept, but, you
know, I do think that it—

1732
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:12,364
you have to take into consideration both
sides of all of this.

1733
01:51:12,364 --> 01:51:15,542
You know, if somebody wants to preserve
their land,

1734
01:51:15,542 --> 01:51:19,841
then there should be a trigger that they
can come down and say, look,

1735
01:51:19,841 --> 01:51:21,960
we want to do that. But, you know,

1736
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:26,197
the gentleman that wants to quit farming
in 10 years, and, you know,

1737
01:51:26,197 --> 01:51:29,874
his son works in the corporate world, you
know what I mean?

1738
01:51:29,874 --> 01:51:33,301
I mean, I don't feel comfortable telling
him like, hey,

1739
01:51:33,301 --> 01:51:35,669
we're going to downzone your property.

1740
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:39,408
So, you know, I mean, I just, for what
it's worth, you know,

1741
01:51:39,408 --> 01:51:43,334
I don't know if there's some sort of happy
medium and all that.

1742
01:51:43,334 --> 01:51:47,322
But, you know, we live in a county that's
growing and— You know,

1743
01:51:47,322 --> 01:51:52,307
some of these people are using this or
going to use this or have the opportunity

1744
01:51:52,307 --> 01:51:52,432
going to use this or have the opportunity
to

1745
01:51:52,432 --> 01:51:54,800
use their land as generational wealth.

1746
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:58,539
And some people may already have that and
some people don't.

1747
01:51:58,539 --> 01:52:03,212
And I don't feel like we should be able to
remove those rights from people.

1748
01:52:03,212 --> 01:52:07,823
So, I mean, I just, I think that's a
consideration that needs to be taken,

1749
01:52:07,823 --> 01:52:08,384
consideration that needs to be taken,
needs to,

1750
01:52:08,384 --> 01:52:10,316
you know, be thought about. So.

1751
01:52:10,316 --> 01:52:14,242
I think the entire growth needs to slow
down myself personally.

1752
01:52:14,242 --> 01:52:16,360
However, It's not going to happen.

1753
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:20,972
I lived in Atlanta for 20 years and
watched the urban sprawl that happened

1754
01:52:20,972 --> 01:52:21,532
watched the urban sprawl that happened
there all

1755
01:52:21,532 --> 01:52:24,648
the way up into Cherokee County and north
of that.

1756
01:52:24,648 --> 01:52:29,820
And there's even a piece of the puzzle we
haven't even discussed or even brought up

1757
01:52:29,820 --> 01:52:33,434
yet, and that's Huntsville, Alabama.
They're coming north.

1758
01:52:33,434 --> 01:52:36,799
You know, Lincoln County is— I had only
39,000 people.

1759
01:52:36,799 --> 01:52:38,980
It's fixing to be Huntsville North,

1760
01:52:38,980 --> 01:52:43,218
and they're going to keep coming up the
interstate that way as well.

1761
01:52:43,218 --> 01:52:46,707
Now granted, it's real hilly through there
and all that,

1762
01:52:46,707 --> 01:52:49,699
but that entire Morrisville Pike area,
anything,

1763
01:52:49,699 --> 01:52:53,313
anything within the interstate is going to
grow, you know,

1764
01:52:53,313 --> 01:52:58,423
and people have known that for years and
they've invested and thought, okay, well,

1765
01:52:58,423 --> 01:53:03,470
this, this is my nest egg and this is, you
know, now here, now the time's coming.

1766
01:53:03,470 --> 01:53:07,458
But I'd like to see the, you know, rest of
the county protected.

1767
01:53:07,458 --> 01:53:12,630
I used to— I live in Southeast Columbia or
Southwest Columbia rather, and I'm like,

1768
01:53:12,630 --> 01:53:17,179
okay, build all you want up in Spring
Hill, but leave us alone down here.

1769
01:53:17,179 --> 01:53:21,977
It's a, it's a tough call. Um, who else?
Who's that? Sam, your light's on. Go

1770
01:53:21,977 --> 01:53:22,351
Who's that? Sam, your light's on. Go
ahead.

1771
01:53:22,351 --> 01:53:27,336
5-acre zoning on our comp plan for 20
years and nobody's done anything about it.

1772
01:53:27,336 --> 01:53:31,013
So we, we make a recommendation to the
Planning Commission,

1773
01:53:31,013 --> 01:53:34,004
the Planning Commission approves this comp
plan,

1774
01:53:34,004 --> 01:53:36,372
and then if there's ever a downzoning,

1775
01:53:36,372 --> 01:53:40,173
the County Commissioner are the only
people that can do that.

1776
01:53:40,173 --> 01:53:43,725
So just FYI, we, we're advisory only.
Yeah, we recommend.

1777
01:53:43,901 --> 01:53:44,077
Yep.

1778
01:53:44,077 --> 01:53:49,499
All right, what else does this committee
want? Come on, Chris. Real quick.

1779
01:53:49,499 --> 01:53:53,089
Chris, District 9. When those maps come
together,

1780
01:53:53,089 --> 01:53:56,679
can we include the greenbelt so that we're
aware—

1781
01:53:56,679 --> 01:53:59,463
so there's an overlay of that as well?

1782
01:53:59,463 --> 01:54:03,346
One other point, or a couple other points
real quick.

1783
01:54:03,346 --> 01:54:07,888
I think that some of these areas, we
shouldn't just say, okay,

1784
01:54:07,888 --> 01:54:10,965
for whatever reason it can't be developed.

1785
01:54:10,965 --> 01:54:15,874
Let's not underestimate the lengths that
the developers will go to.

1786
01:54:15,874 --> 01:54:21,589
We know that they will, as anyone here
last night, they will do illegal stuff.

1787
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:23,640
They will— on Double Branch,

1788
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:28,842
they brought a 60,000-pound excavator over
there with a hammer on that.

1789
01:54:28,842 --> 01:54:32,359
They had another Mini-X with the smaller
hammer.

1790
01:54:32,359 --> 01:54:38,293
They did nearly 5,000 linear feet through
the bedrock out there to get that water

1791
01:54:38,293 --> 01:54:42,103
line I also think, you know, just as an
example, Dr.

1792
01:54:42,103 --> 01:54:46,645
Kevin and I, we disagree about some of the
land rights things,

1793
01:54:46,645 --> 01:54:48,550
but we're both passionate.

1794
01:54:48,550 --> 01:54:54,631
We show up and there's, you know, there's
these camps of a few people that show up.

1795
01:54:54,631 --> 01:54:59,100
But I think I agree with him. We need to
talk to more people.

1796
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:02,397
And I just, I know this has been said
before,

1797
01:55:02,397 --> 01:55:06,793
but I don't think the people's voices have
truly been heard,

1798
01:55:06,793 --> 01:55:12,727
because I don't think we've given them
ample opportunity to do that in a way that

1799
01:55:12,727 --> 01:55:15,292
they can, that they can live up to.

1800
01:55:15,292 --> 01:55:19,028
We never once opened this room on, on
First Friday.

1801
01:55:19,028 --> 01:55:22,765
And I don't think— I know that it would be
arduous,

1802
01:55:22,765 --> 01:55:28,186
but I don't think it's out of the question
to do what this other county or

1803
01:55:28,186 --> 01:55:33,681
municipality or whatever that you
mentioned, where you go parcel by parcel,

1804
01:55:33,681 --> 01:55:39,616
or at least give the people an opportunity
where we can really hear their voices.

1805
01:55:39,616 --> 01:55:45,697
and include that as harder data the same
way we would include these various maps of

1806
01:55:45,697 --> 01:55:50,898
the existing infrastructure, et cetera. So
that's all I got. Thank you.

1807
01:55:50,898 --> 01:55:55,954
Anybody else? Well, if I don't see any
action or any more discussion,

1808
01:55:55,954 --> 01:56:01,522
supper's waiting on me at the house. So
what does this committee want to do?

1809
01:56:01,522 --> 01:56:06,650
Do we keep talking about Northeast, or do
we— Set a time to reconvene?

1810
01:56:06,650 --> 01:56:08,995
Do we have more public hearings?

1811
01:56:08,995 --> 01:56:14,636
Do we send a survey out to every property
owner in the county? What do we do?

1812
01:56:14,636 --> 01:56:20,791
Yeah, I mean, we're going to have to have
a couple more advisory committee meetings.

1813
01:56:20,791 --> 01:56:24,234
That's just the bottom line. But, um, go
ahead.

1814
01:56:24,234 --> 01:56:28,179
Yeah, well, why don't I start by digging
into You know,

1815
01:56:28,179 --> 01:56:32,412
the areas around Mount Pleasant, the areas
around Coleeoka,

1816
01:56:32,412 --> 01:56:34,923
and these areas around Spring Hill.

1817
01:56:34,923 --> 01:56:38,868
If there's any other areas you want me to
add, tell me,

1818
01:56:38,868 --> 01:56:42,311
and I can go and get zoomed-in maps for
you all.

1819
01:56:42,311 --> 01:56:44,678
And then you all could, you know,

1820
01:56:44,678 --> 01:56:50,417
look at those maps with more detail in a
zoomed-in fashion and then provide some

1821
01:56:50,417 --> 01:56:51,565
recommendations.

1822
01:56:51,565 --> 01:56:52,620
How about that?

1823
01:56:52,620 --> 01:56:53,610
You know.

1824
01:56:55,139 --> 01:57:00,265
Okay. Anything else for this committee
then? Last going once. Yes, sir, come on

1825
01:57:00,265 --> 01:57:00,460
then? Last going once. Yes, sir, come on
up.

1826
01:57:00,460 --> 01:57:03,380
We're right there. I'm just— for that
matter,

1827
01:57:03,380 --> 01:57:06,040
this is our second public comment period.

1828
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:10,647
So anybody that wants to speak, just come
on up. You'll have 3 minutes.

1829
01:57:10,647 --> 01:57:14,670
Give your name and your district, please.
Real quick question.

1830
01:57:14,670 --> 01:57:16,162
Kevin Byer, District 9.

1831
01:57:16,162 --> 01:57:21,288
Can the committee take comments from
individual property owners what they would

1832
01:57:21,288 --> 01:57:26,155
desire with their— you know, you got a
map. Why not— Bring up that website,

1833
01:57:26,155 --> 01:57:26,609
map. Why not— Bring up that website,
please.

1834
01:57:26,609 --> 01:57:31,086
Why not say, hey, give people who own
property or property owners the

1835
01:57:31,086 --> 01:57:31,995
property or property owners the
opportunity to

1836
01:57:31,995 --> 01:57:36,212
say, hey, this is why I want to be every 5
acres, every 10 acres.

1837
01:57:36,212 --> 01:57:38,483
I don't want my property developed,

1838
01:57:38,483 --> 01:57:42,506
or I want my zoning to remain what it was
when I purchased it.

1839
01:57:42,506 --> 01:57:47,567
We've had a website that's been up for
several months now where the public can

1840
01:57:47,567 --> 01:57:51,980
comment. But no, I'm saying for you guys,
when you— It's a loophole.

1841
01:57:51,980 --> 01:57:56,716
I'm saying specifically when you go
through to make your decisions on the

1842
01:57:56,716 --> 01:57:57,236
through to make your decisions on the
specific

1843
01:57:57,236 --> 01:58:02,297
zoning map, like you take— I would say
majority of people aren't going to, you

1844
01:58:02,297 --> 01:58:02,621
majority of people aren't going to, you
know,

1845
01:58:02,621 --> 01:58:04,633
they're going to be ambivalent.

1846
01:58:04,633 --> 01:58:09,824
But there's going to be people who are
interested in, you know, specific things.

1847
01:58:09,824 --> 01:58:14,430
Some people, Chris, are going to want no
building on his property ever.

1848
01:58:14,430 --> 01:58:17,480
I would like to preserve the zoning I paid
for,

1849
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,335
and I'm sure a lot of farmers would as
well.

1850
01:58:20,335 --> 01:58:25,591
So can, can we not— can you guys not take
comments from specific property owners?

1851
01:58:25,591 --> 01:58:26,457
Absolutely.

1852
01:58:26,457 --> 01:58:29,712
That, that you collate with your
decisions?

1853
01:58:29,712 --> 01:58:31,203
Absolutely.

1854
01:58:31,203 --> 01:58:34,309
Okay, perfect. That's my only question.
Thank you.

1855
01:58:34,309 --> 01:58:39,528
I mean, and there again, we're not making
a decision, we're making a recommendation.

1856
01:58:39,528 --> 01:58:44,497
We're— that's the whole point of this, is
for you to tell us So that we can say,

1857
01:58:44,497 --> 01:58:49,654
well, this is what they say, this is what
they want, this is what the county wants,

1858
01:58:49,654 --> 01:58:53,630
this is what this person on this, you
know, thing is looking at.

1859
01:58:53,630 --> 01:58:57,357
But, you know, and, and we've had the
technology to do that.

1860
01:58:57,357 --> 01:59:01,457
And, and, you know, we've been to— we went
to 4 different schools,

1861
01:59:01,457 --> 01:59:03,818
4 different schools around the county.

1862
01:59:03,818 --> 01:59:07,670
I know we went, we went out to Santa Fe,
uh, out to Hampshire.

1863
01:59:07,670 --> 01:59:11,583
Well, it was a Hampshire or Mount Pleasant
or— Holyoke was one.

1864
01:59:11,583 --> 01:59:13,944
I mean, I went to The Coleoka meeting.

1865
01:59:13,944 --> 01:59:17,361
But nobody really registered, hey, this is
my property.

1866
01:59:17,361 --> 01:59:21,834
I mean, I've made my comments, but nobody
actually said, hey, all right,

1867
01:59:21,834 --> 01:59:25,872
this property on this map, I want my
zoning to remain what it is.

1868
01:59:25,872 --> 01:59:28,170
Liz, would you bring up that website,

1869
01:59:28,170 --> 01:59:32,022
the comprehensive plan website where
people can make comments?

1870
01:59:32,022 --> 01:59:35,483
I mean, yes, I can. Bring up the website,

1871
01:59:35,483 --> 01:59:39,618
but we don't have like the future land use
map up

1872
01:59:39,618 --> 01:59:40,800
there yet for—

1873
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:44,174
But there was comment. There was spaces
for persons to make comments, wasn't it?

1874
01:59:44,174 --> 01:59:44,640
Yeah.

1875
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:49,942
So they can say, my name is John Doe and I
live at such and such address and I don't

1876
01:59:49,942 --> 01:59:54,928
want this. I mean, I did that. I wrote a
long passage with my name and address.

1877
01:59:54,928 --> 01:59:58,778
Did it come through Kevin Byer? Do you
have that information?

1878
01:59:58,778 --> 02:00:04,972
I'm not sure at the moment. On the website
or at the meeting?

1879
02:00:04,972 --> 02:00:05,584
At the meeting.

1880
02:00:05,584 --> 02:00:06,904
Yeah, then we would have that information.

1881
02:00:06,904 --> 02:00:10,607
So you have— but you have that information
about my specific properties?

1882
02:00:10,607 --> 02:00:15,651
I mean, I would have to double-check. I
don't know off the top of my head.

1883
02:00:15,651 --> 02:00:21,196
Okay. Well, I just think that people
should be given an opportunity. Thank you.

1884
02:00:21,196 --> 02:00:26,741
Yes, sir. All right. Is there anybody else
that wants to speak? Public comment.

1885
02:00:26,741 --> 02:00:27,302
Hang on.

1886
02:00:29,501 --> 02:00:29,794
Go ahead.

1887
02:00:29,794 --> 02:00:33,001
Spring Hill has grown. Columbia has grown.

1888
02:00:33,001 --> 02:00:37,278
And now Mount Pleasant is starting to grow
a little bit.

1889
02:00:37,278 --> 02:00:40,562
We can't be totally opposed to some
growth.

1890
02:00:40,562 --> 02:00:46,060
And we can't be totally opposed to
something that the brownfield down in

1891
02:00:46,060 --> 02:00:46,442
something that the brownfield down in
Mount

1892
02:00:46,442 --> 02:00:51,864
Pleasant where they wanted to put the
solar panels and put goats on it.

1893
02:00:51,864 --> 02:00:57,668
I mean, that's all that can be used for.
It can't be used for anything else.

1894
02:00:57,668 --> 02:01:03,548
So there's some things that we're going to
have to allow because of the land.

1895
02:01:03,548 --> 02:01:07,977
But I just— Mount Pleasant needs to grow a
little bit too.

1896
02:01:07,977 --> 02:01:13,399
So I just wanted to say that. Deborah, did
you want to speak? Go ahead.

1897
02:01:13,399 --> 02:01:19,509
So clearly having the meetings at the 5
schools There was not a large turnout at

1898
02:01:19,509 --> 02:01:19,738
schools There was not a large turnout at
any

1899
02:01:19,738 --> 02:01:24,702
of them. And so how do we get this
information out to the people?

1900
02:01:24,702 --> 02:01:29,513
It's like, yeah, well, we should let the
people give our input,

1901
02:01:29,513 --> 02:01:32,186
but how do we do that successfully?

1902
02:01:32,186 --> 02:01:35,317
Because it's— I don't consider, you know,

1903
02:01:35,317 --> 02:01:41,197
5 people at a meeting at a school a
successful use of our time or their time.

1904
02:01:41,197 --> 02:01:44,633
So what is your recommendation for us to
get,

1905
02:01:44,633 --> 02:01:49,139
to get the information out there to
everyone in the county?

1906
02:01:49,139 --> 02:01:51,914
It's a very difficult thing to do.

1907
02:01:51,914 --> 02:01:57,708
And from when you're planning for a
county, you're never going to reach

1908
02:01:57,708 --> 02:01:58,524
county, you're never going to reach
everybody.

1909
02:01:58,524 --> 02:02:04,727
And every planning process we do, we, you
know, we can't reach every person.

1910
02:02:04,727 --> 02:02:09,868
For— we're working on Brentwood's
comprehensive plan right now,

1911
02:02:09,868 --> 02:02:15,826
and they are sending postcards to every
single resident in the community.

1912
02:02:15,826 --> 02:02:20,233
That's 15,000 residents and it's costing
like 8 grand.

1913
02:02:20,233 --> 02:02:23,987
So they think that's an important thing to
do.

1914
02:02:23,987 --> 02:02:30,189
So there's always the ability to reach
more people if the community and the,

1915
02:02:30,189 --> 02:02:36,229
you know, the county want to spend the
money and the resources to do that.

1916
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:42,839
But somebody here has to be, you know,
knocking on doors or standing with flyers.

1917
02:02:42,839 --> 02:02:43,047
Yeah.

1918
02:02:43,208 --> 02:02:48,424
You know, people have to get out in the
community and do that.

1919
02:02:48,424 --> 02:02:54,650
I can't force you guys to do that. You
guys can't— you know, I'm not here.

1920
02:02:54,650 --> 02:02:55,744
So thank you.

1921
02:02:55,744 --> 02:02:59,011
Come on. Yeah, well, no, we got public
comment,

1922
02:02:59,011 --> 02:03:01,443
so come on up and you go after her.

1923
02:03:01,443 --> 02:03:04,293
Just tell us your name and your district.

1924
02:03:04,293 --> 02:03:06,567
Sabina Barnett, District 5.

1925
02:03:06,567 --> 02:03:10,778
It is hard to bring people to commission
meetings,

1926
02:03:10,778 --> 02:03:15,326
but it's been impossible to communicate on
this issue.

1927
02:03:15,326 --> 02:03:18,947
I have been to Collioca to a little
school.

1928
02:03:19,303 --> 02:03:20,895
I've been to Spring Hill.

1929
02:03:20,895 --> 02:03:25,482
There were no more than 6 people there,
and one of them was a developer.

1930
02:03:25,482 --> 02:03:29,686
There's social media, y'all. You could put
it on I Heart Columbia.

1931
02:03:29,831 --> 02:03:33,877
You could put it on the Murray County
site. You could put it in each little

1932
02:03:33,877 --> 02:03:34,255
site. You could put it in each little
hamlet.

1933
02:03:34,937 --> 02:03:37,008
They have a social media page.

1934
02:03:37,184 --> 02:03:38,196
You can put it out there.

1935
02:03:39,030 --> 02:03:42,081
I mean, I've tried to get my neighbors to
come,

1936
02:03:42,081 --> 02:03:46,559
but it's very difficult for working people
to come at a 5:30 meeting.

1937
02:03:46,768 --> 02:03:52,659
It's very, very difficult. And there's got
to be better communication.

1938
02:03:53,157 --> 02:03:57,185
It's hard enough for me to get an agenda
for the Planning Commission meeting.

1939
02:03:57,185 --> 02:04:01,318
It's so buried in the site. But we have
social media, and there are other ways.

1940
02:04:01,318 --> 02:04:01,841
Thank you.

1941
02:04:02,066 --> 02:04:08,056
of doing it. We just have to make it a
priority because I do think that people

1942
02:04:08,056 --> 02:04:08,363
priority because I do think that people
have

1943
02:04:08,363 --> 02:04:09,898
a lot of good ideas.

1944
02:04:09,898 --> 02:04:13,354
And as we're talking about places for
growth,

1945
02:04:13,354 --> 02:04:17,654
it's impossible unless we have the road
structure first.

1946
02:04:17,654 --> 02:04:23,951
We are seeing our half a mile of Double
Branch completely ruined because of all of

1947
02:04:23,951 --> 02:04:29,019
the construction coming down a downhill
when we have a heavy rain.

1948
02:04:29,452 --> 02:04:33,981
They just tar and chipped our road in June
and it's ruined already.

1949
02:04:33,981 --> 02:04:39,118
And then we have somebody else who's
putting a bridge over part of the creek

1950
02:04:39,118 --> 02:04:39,321
putting a bridge over part of the creek
and

1951
02:04:39,321 --> 02:04:42,025
that's going to probably cause flooding.

1952
02:04:42,619 --> 02:04:47,238
So there's so many issues to take into
consideration when you talk

1953
02:04:47,238 --> 02:04:51,996
about growth. And many people have said
some areas cannot handle it.

1954
02:04:51,996 --> 02:04:56,969
But I think the main thing is we have to
communicate better.

1955
02:04:57,953 --> 02:05:00,167
And there's just creative ways.

1956
02:05:00,167 --> 02:05:05,166
Ask a teenager, hire a teenager, and
they'll do it for you. Thank you.

1957
02:05:05,166 --> 02:05:10,642
All right, anybody else wish to speak?
Come on up. Kevin Byer again, District 9.

1958
02:05:10,642 --> 02:05:12,148
2 dissimilar comments.

1959
02:05:12,148 --> 02:05:14,886
One is, with all due respect, I've made—

1960
02:05:14,886 --> 02:05:19,131
I have made my comments several times to
you. I've written it.

1961
02:05:19,131 --> 02:05:20,637
I've written a letter.

1962
02:05:20,637 --> 02:05:24,607
I don't know how many of you guys have
received my letter,

1963
02:05:24,607 --> 02:05:28,646
but I don't know that that information is
getting collated.

1964
02:05:28,646 --> 02:05:33,232
So I think we need to make sure people who
submit that information,

1965
02:05:33,232 --> 02:05:37,066
that should be taken into account when you
draw the map.

1966
02:05:37,066 --> 02:05:42,542
And so I think you should know the people
who are showing up at the meetings and

1967
02:05:42,542 --> 02:05:47,881
are— I think we do. would like to have
their property either remain or change.

1968
02:05:47,881 --> 02:05:51,646
I think that's an important aspect of this
whole thing.

1969
02:05:51,646 --> 02:05:57,328
Number 2, dissimilar, is I think we need
to focus on what's best for Murray County.

1970
02:05:57,328 --> 02:06:01,025
It needs to develop in some regard in a
smart fashion.

1971
02:06:01,025 --> 02:06:04,310
We need to have better schools, better
services.

1972
02:06:04,310 --> 02:06:08,349
And again, most of the county is not ready
for development,

1973
02:06:08,349 --> 02:06:13,552
but I think we should focus— how do we
make this a thriving economic engine?

1974
02:06:13,552 --> 02:06:18,754
And how can we make the schools better and
a place that people want to come?

1975
02:06:18,754 --> 02:06:23,683
That's it. All right, anybody else wish to
speak? All right, I see none.

1976
02:06:23,683 --> 02:06:28,475
Uh, any last comments from this committee?
Otherwise we're going home.

1977
02:06:28,475 --> 02:06:33,746
Sam, go ahead. Tonight I do not want to
just come back to another meeting and

1978
02:06:33,746 --> 02:06:38,674
dawdle. Yeah, let's get it together. I
wish I had an answer, but— Right.

1979
02:06:38,674 --> 02:06:41,002
So what is our plan going forward?

1980
02:06:41,002 --> 02:06:44,767
You're going to work on the areas that we
talked about.

1981
02:06:44,767 --> 02:06:47,231
You're going to— we're all going to,

1982
02:06:47,231 --> 02:06:51,681
or some of us are going to get together
and look at layered maps,

1983
02:06:51,681 --> 02:06:54,419
whether we take that any farther or not.

1984
02:06:54,419 --> 02:06:59,074
You know, we need to get some layered maps
to see some of the areas.

1985
02:06:59,074 --> 02:07:04,550
I think people kind of like the idea of
dividing the county into 4 quadrants and

1986
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:05,919
doing one at a time.

1987
02:07:05,919 --> 02:07:09,273
Of course, you know, we're 20 minutes till
8 now,

1988
02:07:09,273 --> 02:07:13,723
and we're no farther than where we were
when we got here tonight.

1989
02:07:13,723 --> 02:07:19,268
So, well, we are, we are, we are, but I
mean, but still, we don't— we didn't have

1990
02:07:19,268 --> 02:07:19,405
mean, but still, we don't— we didn't have
a—

1991
02:07:19,405 --> 02:07:24,539
there's no closure. We're not, we're not
at any closure. Deborah, go ahead.

1992
02:07:24,539 --> 02:07:29,878
To Sam's point, can we put something on
the calendar right now before we leave

1993
02:07:29,878 --> 02:07:30,152
the calendar right now before we leave
here

1994
02:07:30,152 --> 02:07:34,396
so that those of us that can attend and
look for layered maps,

1995
02:07:34,396 --> 02:07:38,229
look through layered maps, and give our
input can do so,

1996
02:07:38,229 --> 02:07:40,625
because leaving here without— Well,

1997
02:07:40,625 --> 02:07:45,622
the County Commission convenes the first
Monday and Tuesday of the month,

1998
02:07:45,622 --> 02:07:49,524
and the first 3 Mondays are shot for
commission meetings.

1999
02:07:49,524 --> 02:07:54,111
You can't have the room then. And then,
yeah, Thursdays don't work.

2000
02:07:54,111 --> 02:07:56,712
Tuesdays are pretty much the evenings,

2001
02:07:56,712 --> 02:08:01,093
but it would be like the 3rd Tuesday
When's Planning Commission?

2002
02:08:01,093 --> 02:08:04,790
Planning Commission is the 4th Monday. The
4th Monday.

2003
02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:08,623
School board's 1st and 3rd Tuesday. 1st
and 3rd Tuesday.

2004
02:08:08,623 --> 02:08:11,772
Thursdays work for us usually. Thursdays
work?

2005
02:08:11,772 --> 02:08:15,263
So Thursdays, so, you know, you could do
Thursdays.

2006
02:08:15,263 --> 02:08:18,344
So in September you've got the 3rd, the
10th.

2007
02:08:18,344 --> 02:08:20,329
Well, see, that's city— well,

2008
02:08:20,329 --> 02:08:25,668
the 10th is City Council voting session
for those that go to that. 17th works.

2009
02:08:25,668 --> 02:08:30,255
So the 3rd, the 3rd, uh, The 3rd Thursday
of September is the 17th.

2010
02:08:30,255 --> 02:08:34,088
Is that too far out? That's pretty far
out. Too far out.

2011
02:08:34,088 --> 02:08:38,046
I mean, if we're going to do this in
quadrants,

2012
02:08:38,046 --> 02:08:44,025
and I know clearly we're not going to make
our October 1st goal at this

2013
02:08:44,025 --> 02:08:45,962
point, so I don't know.

2014
02:08:46,364 --> 02:08:50,269
What do you guys think? What are the
ramifications of that?

2015
02:08:50,269 --> 02:08:55,366
We're thinking about that now. Moratorium
expires, set to expire October 1st.

2016
02:08:55,366 --> 02:08:59,404
So that would be on the commission to do
anything about that.

2017
02:08:59,404 --> 02:09:04,567
But isn't that problematic? We got what we
got. I mean, like we've always had.

2018
02:09:04,567 --> 02:09:09,399
In a sense of, isn't it problematic that
if it expires, what y'all go to,

2019
02:09:09,399 --> 02:09:13,768
just revert back to what y'all had? That's
what we have currently.

2020
02:09:13,768 --> 02:09:15,158
It's never gone away.

2021
02:09:15,158 --> 02:09:16,548
Would it be possible—

2022
02:09:16,548 --> 02:09:21,578
she's going to send us information
concerning those areas and those maps for

2023
02:09:21,578 --> 02:09:21,909
concerning those areas and those maps for
in an

2024
02:09:21,909 --> 02:09:23,564
email chain or something.

2025
02:09:23,564 --> 02:09:25,285
Anyone that has questions,

2026
02:09:25,285 --> 02:09:30,117
email those questions to that chain so
that the whole group can see them.

2027
02:09:30,117 --> 02:09:35,280
And then you guys can work to build an
agenda off of the feedback that you get

2028
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:35,479
agenda off of the feedback that you get
off

2029
02:09:35,479 --> 02:09:37,994
of concerns or questions that we have.

2030
02:09:37,994 --> 02:09:42,760
And then the maps that you send— 17th is a
long time. That's a long way.

2031
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:45,937
I think, I think while the conversation's
fresh,

2032
02:09:45,937 --> 02:09:48,518
We at least need to be in conversation.

2033
02:09:48,518 --> 02:09:53,615
If we wait a month to pick it back up, we
start right back over where we are.

2034
02:09:53,615 --> 02:09:58,911
How about Tuesday the 8th? Well, I think,
uh, let me see if I can chime in here.

2035
02:09:58,911 --> 02:10:02,882
Liz, is it possible to do a worksheet with
the map on there,

2036
02:10:02,882 --> 02:10:05,331
share it with the advisory committee,

2037
02:10:05,331 --> 02:10:10,362
let them mark it up as a group or
individually and put their ideas on there?

2038
02:10:10,362 --> 02:10:12,149
And Submit it to my office.

2039
02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:14,239
Yeah.

2040
02:10:14,643 --> 02:10:19,583
So if I— Or as a public input from
McBride, Dale, Clarion.

2041
02:10:19,583 --> 02:10:26,057
Can y'all do that like we do the website?
Except for the advisory committee.

2042
02:10:26,057 --> 02:10:27,590
It doesn't matter.

2043
02:10:27,590 --> 02:10:33,074
So there's options. Probably, I mean, what
would be the easiest is if, again,

2044
02:10:33,074 --> 02:10:38,415
we sort of zoom in and we design it so you
could print it at like 11 by 17.

2045
02:10:38,415 --> 02:10:43,756
You know, I don't want to assume that you
guys are going to print big maps,

2046
02:10:43,756 --> 02:10:45,465
but we could zoom it in.

2047
02:10:45,465 --> 02:10:49,595
You guys can look at it on the computer,
and then I could—

2048
02:10:49,595 --> 02:10:54,224
I know we do have the capabilities to do,
like, interactive maps,

2049
02:10:54,224 --> 02:11:00,064
but I don't know if that's— I feel like
that might just be too much at this point.

2050
02:11:00,064 --> 02:11:00,956
That's what I was—

2051
02:11:01,005 --> 02:11:04,307
oh. And so if we zoom it in and then—

2052
02:11:04,307 --> 02:11:10,376
You all could sort of either comment on a
PDF or like on an image or

2053
02:11:10,376 --> 02:11:15,999
just, you know, send an email with
bulleted comments, you know.

2054
02:11:15,999 --> 02:11:20,015
Does that make sense as like an interim
step?

2055
02:11:20,015 --> 02:11:23,783
Well, we also don't— you know, we also
mentioned the issue earlier about, you

2056
02:11:23,783 --> 02:11:24,028
mentioned the issue earlier about, you
know,

2057
02:11:24,028 --> 02:11:27,991
he doesn't know this part of the county,
he doesn't know that part of the county.

2058
02:11:27,991 --> 02:11:31,270
So, so being individual about it, you
know, there needs to be that—

2059
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:33,521
there needs to be collaboration. Involved.
So—

2060
02:11:33,521 --> 02:11:38,803
Well, I think if everybody has the
opportunity to comment on all the county,

2061
02:11:38,803 --> 02:11:43,042
if you only want to comment on one area as
a person, you can.

2062
02:11:43,042 --> 02:11:45,474
And we can take all those comments,

2063
02:11:45,474 --> 02:11:49,227
do an updated version of this map from
those comments,

2064
02:11:49,227 --> 02:11:54,022
and then we can bring that version back
out to the public for review.

2065
02:11:54,022 --> 02:11:58,956
I mean, we're going to probably have still
2 or 3 4 or 5, I don't know,

2066
02:11:58,956 --> 02:12:01,736
iterations of this map before the final.

2067
02:12:01,736 --> 02:12:07,226
So, but I think we can kind of have a
working draft in between where we can dig

2068
02:12:07,226 --> 02:12:07,435
working draft in between where we can dig
in,

2069
02:12:07,435 --> 02:12:10,701
we can discuss things a little bit more
detail,

2070
02:12:10,701 --> 02:12:13,481
then that can go out for public comment.

2071
02:12:13,481 --> 02:12:16,831
No, I said the 8th. Oh no.

2072
02:12:16,831 --> 02:12:20,440
Well, tell her coordination.

2073
02:12:20,440 --> 02:12:23,919
Come on, please come on up.

2074
02:12:24,500 --> 02:12:27,693
I just want to say, if you decided to have
quadrant meetings,

2075
02:12:27,693 --> 02:12:29,420
those dates would need to be set.

2076
02:12:29,740 --> 02:12:31,060
Go ahead and set those dates.

2077
02:12:31,060 --> 02:12:35,000
All of them can be put out to the public
because they would have to be bang, bang,

2078
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:35,240
bang.

2079
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:37,280
We got to get the notices out. Pardon?

2080
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:38,610
Got to get the notices out.

2081
02:12:38,620 --> 02:12:41,743
Yeah. So I mean, I would say, why would
you—

2082
02:12:41,743 --> 02:12:45,931
if you're going to do that and if that's
your choice to do,

2083
02:12:45,931 --> 02:12:50,261
then why wouldn't we set those— go ahead
and set those dates?

2084
02:12:50,261 --> 02:12:55,940
Yeah, see, and, and we're sitting here
debating, but I'm liking Tuesdays myself.

2085
02:12:55,940 --> 02:13:00,270
Tuesday the 8th, Tuesday the 15th, Tuesday
the 22nd. Do what?

2086
02:13:00,270 --> 02:13:05,806
No, the first, the first Tuesday is, uh,
the first is a Tuesday. You're right.

2087
02:13:05,806 --> 02:13:07,368
Yeah, okay, the first.

2088
02:13:07,368 --> 02:13:11,840
So that you're right, so they couldn't do
that because of that.

2089
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:17,661
Well then, you know, Wednesday's church
night, but it is tough. Go ahead, Deborah.

2090
02:13:17,661 --> 02:13:20,926
Not every date is going to work for
everybody,

2091
02:13:20,926 --> 02:13:26,533
but if we can at least get some dates
online for those people that can make it,

2092
02:13:26,533 --> 02:13:29,373
but in the meantime, before those dates,

2093
02:13:29,373 --> 02:13:34,838
these maps are sent out so we have
something to work with in our brain before

2094
02:13:34,838 --> 02:13:34,980
something to work with in our brain before
we

2095
02:13:34,980 --> 02:13:40,801
meet. So we're meeting on the date with
information that has already been sent out

2096
02:13:40,801 --> 02:13:44,918
and reviewed. Does that make sense? Well,
pretty light on.

2097
02:13:44,998 --> 02:13:45,464
Yeah, I agree.

2098
02:13:45,625 --> 02:13:47,389
I agree with what he's saying.

2099
02:13:47,389 --> 02:13:50,563
Back to Thursdays, uh, first 3 Thursdays
in September.

2100
02:13:50,563 --> 02:13:53,326
But also, I would say I would not make it
5:30.

2101
02:13:53,326 --> 02:13:56,501
I, I hate to do this to you, but I'd say
6:30 or 7:30.

2102
02:13:56,501 --> 02:14:00,793
Go home, get dinner, and come back,
because these people can't come after

2103
02:14:00,793 --> 02:14:01,087
because these people can't come after
work.

2104
02:14:01,087 --> 02:14:05,378
Let's, let's— I mean, you know, county
commission meetings start at 6:30,

2105
02:14:05,378 --> 02:14:10,023
and that's, that's to give everybody time
to have a meal and, and Feed the dog,

2106
02:14:10,023 --> 02:14:12,139
cut the dog out, and then come back.

2107
02:14:12,139 --> 02:14:15,607
So I'm, you know, Thursdays are fine, but
I would say 6:30.

2108
02:14:15,607 --> 02:14:17,312
I wouldn't start before that.

2109
02:14:17,312 --> 02:14:21,369
And I hate to say that, but, you know, if
it gets the public in here,

2110
02:14:21,369 --> 02:14:23,074
let's get the public in here.

2111
02:14:23,074 --> 02:14:25,778
So, so, so, okay, so, so we're looking at,
uh,

2112
02:14:25,778 --> 02:14:30,187
of course it's going to be close to
getting a notice out on that first one.

2113
02:14:30,187 --> 02:14:35,008
It can be done through the Daily Herald.
You can't do it through, uh, Main Street.

2114
02:14:35,008 --> 02:14:39,593
Well, it doesn't have to be. So first, so
Thursday the 3rd, Thursday the 10th.

2115
02:14:39,593 --> 02:14:43,885
If I tell them tomorrow, I can publish it.
It'll come out next Wednesday.

2116
02:14:43,885 --> 02:14:48,647
So Thursday the 3rd, Thursday the 10th,
Thursday the 17th, and Thursday the 27th.

2117
02:14:48,647 --> 02:14:49,932
24th.

2118
02:14:49,932 --> 02:14:55,620
I'm sorry, 24th. You're right. So the 3rd
will be the northeast quadrant.

2119
02:14:55,620 --> 02:14:58,737
The 10th will be the southeast quadrant.

2120
02:14:58,737 --> 02:15:01,854
The 17th will be the southwest quadrant,

2121
02:15:01,854 --> 02:15:07,464
and the 24th will be the northwest
quadrant. Define quadrant while we're

2122
02:15:07,464 --> 02:15:07,854
quadrant. Define quadrant while we're
here.

2123
02:15:07,854 --> 02:15:09,413
So if you take some—

2124
02:15:09,413 --> 02:15:15,958
if you take Highway 50 and go all the way
across and then down through the middle of

2125
02:15:15,958 --> 02:15:21,257
Columbia, Highway 31 as it were. Do we
want to do it that way, Eric?

2126
02:15:21,257 --> 02:15:26,633
Well, then y'all tell me. Look at
Collioca, Mount Pleasant, Columbia.

2127
02:15:26,633 --> 02:15:32,322
You tell me then. I don't know, you want
to split Columbia into 4 pieces?

2128
02:15:32,322 --> 02:15:38,633
Well, Columbia is already a city, so it's
already done. I mean, it is what it is.

2129
02:15:38,633 --> 02:15:41,205
Well, I'm I mean the area around.

2130
02:15:41,205 --> 02:15:47,205
Well, and, and there again, you've got
geography issues and land size issues.

2131
02:15:47,205 --> 02:15:50,789
So you, you may be right. I tell my wife
that.

2132
02:15:50,789 --> 02:15:55,231
I say we sit— well, never mind, I'm not on
the committee.

2133
02:15:55,231 --> 02:15:59,594
Well, I mean, committee, I mean, y'all
tell me, is that—

2134
02:15:59,594 --> 02:16:05,283
does that work for you guys? Highway 31?
Yeah. All right, let them do it.

2135
02:16:05,283 --> 02:16:10,893
So, but anyway, northeast first on the
3rd, southeast on the— let's see,

2136
02:16:10,893 --> 02:16:16,192
southeast on the 10th, southwest on the
17th, northwest on the 24th.

2137
02:16:16,192 --> 02:16:21,568
And all at 6:30. All at 6:30. Hear ye,
hear ye. The next 4 Thursdays.

2138
02:16:21,568 --> 02:16:27,412
All right, anybody else? Deborah, go
ahead. Hang on, let me get your light.

2139
02:16:27,412 --> 02:16:32,867
So does this give you enough time to get a
map together with overlays?

2140
02:16:32,980 --> 02:16:36,287
And who provides the overlays for her with
our infrastructure, water?

2141
02:16:36,994 --> 02:16:40,265
Is that something that you have to get to
her, Robert?

2142
02:16:40,265 --> 02:16:45,233
I'll reach out to the utilities. We don't
man that, but I do have some PDFs of it.

2143
02:16:45,233 --> 02:16:48,989
But for a GIS overlay I'll have to reach
out to the utilities.

2144
02:16:48,989 --> 02:16:53,775
For the power, the state of Tennessee,
I'll have to look through the utilities,

2145
02:16:53,775 --> 02:16:56,501
see if they got their individual, but if
not,

2146
02:16:56,501 --> 02:16:59,772
I'm almost certain that the state of
Tennessee has it.

2147
02:16:59,772 --> 02:17:02,559
Whether I can get it in time or not,
doubtful.

2148
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:06,759
So there's new protections for Homeland
Security of utility workers.

2149
02:17:06,759 --> 02:17:09,365
Yeah. Oh, yeah. So just confirm with her,
please,

2150
02:17:09,365 --> 02:17:13,673
what overlays we need for her to have In
order for her to get a comprehensive map

2151
02:17:13,673 --> 02:17:17,716
out to us. And we ought to be able to get—
Todd Shultz is on this committee,

2152
02:17:17,716 --> 02:17:20,375
but he couldn't be here tonight with
County Water.

2153
02:17:20,375 --> 02:17:24,737
So, you know, we ought to be able to reach
out to him and get some information out

2154
02:17:24,737 --> 02:17:25,109
of him.

2155
02:17:25,109 --> 02:17:27,170
Okay.

2156
02:17:29,024 --> 02:17:34,336
And Deborah, the maps— the map she's
pulling from is from our mapping sources.

2157
02:17:34,336 --> 02:17:37,059
Johnny Stevens does all the parcel data.

2158
02:17:37,059 --> 02:17:42,711
We don't have GIS mapping for the county
or a mapper other than for the parcel data

2159
02:17:42,711 --> 02:17:45,367
and tax— for the tax assessor's office.

2160
02:17:45,367 --> 02:17:48,431
So I'll have to look to these other
entities.

2161
02:17:48,431 --> 02:17:53,743
My office has just now got a mapper, and
we're doing the zoning and stuff like

2162
02:17:53,743 --> 02:17:54,083
we're doing the zoning and stuff like
that.

2163
02:17:54,083 --> 02:17:59,259
And soon to be, we'll be tracking every
permit and development in the county

2164
02:17:59,259 --> 02:17:59,735
permit and development in the county
through

2165
02:17:59,735 --> 02:18:03,276
GIS. But currently, we don't have all the
utilities,

2166
02:18:03,276 --> 02:18:08,588
all the infrastructure layouts or any of
that, so I'll have to outsource that.

2167
02:18:08,588 --> 02:18:09,281
Okay.

2168
02:18:09,281 --> 02:18:11,270
All right, anything else?

2169
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:16,204
I'll just say this, there are 600
cemeteries in Murray County.

2170
02:18:16,204 --> 02:18:22,093
Anything else for this committee? All
right, seeing none, we will adjourn.

2171
02:18:22,093 --> 02:18:22,889
Thank you.