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Execute. A buyback on one lot that is in
the Cherry Glen subdivision.

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There's been some failures with other
industrial development boards in this

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industrial development boards in this
county,

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but there has not been a failure with the
industrial development board of this

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county. We've been very intentional about
how we structure these notes for you.

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For instance, if you were to pull your
General Motors contract,

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what you would see is that there is a jobs
requirement.

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Something that's never been there before
in the past 30 years.

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The— for the first time with the rezoning,
General Motors taxes will not go down.

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That's the first time that this has
happened in their existence here.

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That's a positive. Additionally, with the
sale of property,

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many of these companies are incentivized
with a lower price for the property to

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bring the project But there's also a
clawback in that property.

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If they don't put the foundation in by a
certain period of time, we buy it back.

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If their property is not built by a
certain period of time, we buy it back.

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And so now we're in a piece of property—

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and so when someone buys a piece of
property from the Industrial Development

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property from the Industrial Development
Board

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or Murray County, that money stays
basically in escrow until all of those

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basically in escrow until all of those
parameters

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are met.

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Okay.

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At this point, we are having to execute
one,

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a buyback for one piece of property that
was sold in 2021 from, uh,

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in Cherry Glen Industrial Park. We buy it
back at the price we sold it for in 2021.

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You can imagine it's worth quite a bit
more today than it was in 2021.

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So we work hard to make sure that we've
got, as best we can,

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fail-safes to that these companies meet
the obligations that they've laid out as

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they come to us. And with that, I'll take
any questions you may have.

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Any questions for Mr. Parks? Yes,
Commissioner Ronsberger.

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On the Innovation Campus, I'm pretty sure
I understand it,

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that's right there where the old Excel
Course was for Saturn?

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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And part of the old farms, of course, a
lot of the old barns are gone. Okay.

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I just wanted to make sure I had that
placed. Thank you. Commissioner Markham.

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Thank you.

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That's from Denning Lane all the way up to
Ripavilla, basically,

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is where that one is.

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Yes, sir.

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I just wanted you to point out that the
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it's the City of Columbia IDB, right?

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That is correct.

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The one that— because a lot of people are
asking about that.

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Oakland Parkway. Yeah,

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the Oakland Parkway is the City of
Columbia's Industrial Development Board.

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Fiberon, which many of you might be aware
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is the City of Columbia Industrial
Development Board project. U.S.

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Tennis in Spring Hill was Spring Hill
Industrial Development Board project.

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The Hunt Properties on the corner of Bear
Creek Pike and 31 Was the city of Columbia

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project. Our we've I don't think anyone's
perfect,

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but the county has had an incredible team
over the last sixty years that have worked

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to try and make this make this work for
all of Murray County and be be very

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all of Murray County and be be very
mindful

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about the the. Problems that have happened
in the past to keep them from happening

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in the future.

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All right. Anyone else? Commissioner
Combs.

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All right.

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I think it's working.

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Thank you, Chairman.

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When you decide to place any industrial
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which environmental guidelines do you have
to go

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through?

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For example, I'll give you an example.

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If I place a radio tower somewhere, I have
to go through FCC federal guidelines,

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which is about 20 different items that
have to be like migratory bird paths,

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for example. What guidelines do you have
to follow?

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Our guidelines don't— we don't,

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we don't really deal with that in terms of
the companies that are coming in.

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That, that's going to fall in their
wheelhouse.

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The only reason we're dealing with TDEC
right now is We're trying to develop this

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piece of property for a future use here.

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Okay, thank you.

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Just forgive my ignorance. I'm still
trying to learn here. Absolutely.

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And all questions are good questions.

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We're glad— it's— we've had a lot of
success over the last decade here in

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success over the last decade here in
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County, as all of you know,

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and that's created some challenges and
some really positive things.

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But as we look out, right now things have
slowed down some,

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and that gives us some time to, I think,

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for you all as a commission to catch your
breath and forge the way you want to move

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forward. But it doesn't change our
readiness.

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When Murray Alliance brings us a project,
we sit down, we look at the benefits.

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on a cost basis to Maury County. And if
they're not there, they're not there.

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Okay. Anyone else? I think that's it. Mr.
Parks, thank you.

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Thank you all. Thank you for your service.

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Okay. We'll move on to 09-2606,

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appointment of one member To the Regional
Planning Commission to

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fill the unexpired term of Mike Diaz, and
I have Chris Wilson.

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Are there any other— Mayor Butt? Mr.

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Chairman, I would ask him to come and

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introduce himself to the commission,

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please.

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Good evening, everyone. I'm working here.
Good evening, everyone.

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My name is Chris Wilson. I've been a
resident of the county going on 20 years

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resident of the county going on 20 years
now.

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Wife and children are in the back as well,
within Murray County Schools.

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Just a little quick backstory on me. I
have 2 businesses within the county.

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We employ about 50 people between those 2
businesses.

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One of my businesses deals a lot with land
development, land usage.

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We cover projects from Kentucky line down
into Giles County, Alabama area.

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Been involved in a lot of good projects,

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also come across a lot of not so good
projects.

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So look forward to bringing Some of that
experience I have as far as boots on the

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ground to it. Uh, tell you some of the
findings we've discovered over the years.

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Also looking forward to, with all the
growth going on in this county,

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some of the future land usage stuff
that'll be coming in front of us.

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Looking forward to hearing in on that and
being a part of what the future holds for

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Murray County.

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I need a motion to— is there any other
nominations?

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Seeing none, I need a motion to approve
Mr. Wilson.

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I got it by Commissioner Kuzawinski,

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seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth. Any
discussion?

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Commissioner Markham.

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Okay.

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Mr. Wilson, how did you hear about the
opportunity?

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I had 2 referrals from past members, and
they recommended me to Miss Sheila,

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and I was able to sit down and have a
couple of meetings with her and go over

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couple of meetings with her and go over
some

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of the experiences I had.

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And I've sat in on a couple of the
meetings, so I was familiar with the

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meetings, so I was familiar with the
processes.

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Okay.

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So you said you had a couple businesses in
Murray County.

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You told us about one of them. Is the
other one relevant?

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It is.

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Uh, it's a heavy equipment repair shop.
It's off of Highway 7.

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We do a lot of construction equipment
sales and service as well as rentals.

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Do a lot of heavy truck repair, dump
trucks, semis, all of that.

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The other business is an excavating
company. It's Wilson Land Clearing.

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It's based out of Mount Pleasant.

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We also own quite a bit of real estate,
some commercial land, ag production land,

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starting from the 431 corridor down to
Mount Pleasant.

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We do a lot of rentals as well, a lot of
duplexes,

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apartment complexes that we own around
here.

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So having that real estate background as
well is something I Like to bring to the

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table.

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Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Mr. Wilson. Any other questions?

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Uh, Commissioner Barnes.

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Am I on here?

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Yeah.

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Okay, it's good to meet you, Mr. Wilson.

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Thank you for coming up and, uh, putting
your name in the hat for this.

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I just have one simple question for you.

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Sure.

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Do you have any past projects that have
involved Murray County government or any

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scheduled future projects for Murray
County government?

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I don't have any projects that are going
at the moment.

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I had a project I was going to run through
to get approved,

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and we ended up not doing anything with
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So nothing future coming down the works at
the moment. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.

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All right, anyone else? Seeing none, we'll
vote.

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I have a motion by Commissioner
Kuzawinski,

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seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth, and
we'll vote.

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Please

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vote.

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21 aye,

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1 no.

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Got 21 in the affirmative, 1 no, so that
passes.

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All righty, thank you, Mr. Wilson.

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Um, 092607, appointment of 2 members to
the Regional Planning

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Commission. Mayor Butt. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.

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We would like to reappoint Quentin Jones
and appoint Robert Calderero.

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who may have some experience with that.

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All right. Can I get a motion?

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I've got public comment on this.

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I got to get a motion first, Chris.

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I got a motion by Commissioner Hesla,
seconded by Commissioner Morrow.

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Any discussion? All right, Chris, come on
up.

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Chris Gramling, District 9.

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Um, I guess I'm going to point out the
elephant in the room. This is not

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elephant in the room. This is not
personal.

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Uh, Commissioners, before you consider the
appointment of former Building and Zoning

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Director Robert Calderaro to the Regional
Planning Commission,

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I believe there are important facts from
his tenure that deserve examination.

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This is particularly relevant because the
Planning Commission is responsible for

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reviewing subdivisions and And the
Building and Zoning Department that Mr.

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Calderaro directed was responsible for
supporting that very process. During Mr.

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Calderaro's tenure, a development was
permitted to proceed without Planning

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Commission subdivision review that later
was determined to actually be subject to

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subdivision regulations. That project is
Ridgeline Reserve on East Sheepneck Road.

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For an extended period, this development
proceeded without subdivision review.

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It was only after citizens and their
attorney researched Tennessee law and

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attorney researched Tennessee law and
raised

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the infrastructure provisions of TCA
13-3-401,

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that the county reconsidered its
interpretation,

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and county council concluded that the
project was subject to the subdivision

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regulations. That raises another obvious
question:

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how did a development that was legally
subject to subdivision regulation proceed

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through the department responsible for
administering those regulations without

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administering those regulations without
being

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sent to the Planning Commission.

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And Ridgeline Reserve is not the only
development about which these questions

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development about which these questions
have

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been raised. Before making this
appointment,

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I asked that the commission examine the
record of Double Branch, uh,

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slash Blackberry Meadows, uh, New Highway
7, Prim Springs, Ironbridge, uh,

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slash Shapiro, possibly the Monsanto, uh,
property called Mule Town Farms.

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I've got a big long list.

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Thank you.

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And it's coming in for all of you.

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And from what I see,

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the fact pattern has been repeated over
and over and over again.

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This isn't a question of personality. It
is a question of accountability.

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The Planning Commission exists in
significant part to ensure that

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significant part to ensure that
development and

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subdivision of land complies with
Tennessee law and Murray County's

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Tennessee law and Murray County's
subdivision

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regulations. The public deserves an
explanation of what happened in these

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explanation of what happened in these
cases,

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why it happened, and what responsibility
the former director had for those

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the former director had for those
decisions

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before his appointment to the body
responsible for subdivision oversight is

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considered. Thank you.

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All right. Is there any further
discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Come on up. Justin Kittel, District 6, and
I wasn't planning to speak tonight,

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and I'll preface this by saying Robert's
always been incredibly nice to me in all

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always been incredibly nice to me in all
of

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our dealings, always been very kind,

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and so this has nothing to do with any
kind of personal issue,

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and I'm not even going to address any of
the specifics of it.

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I would say, though,

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anytime that you would have somebody
that's leaving a position from within the

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county where they've had to make
discretionary decisions.

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And then ultimately,

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if they were going to go on a board such
as the Planning Commission,

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because the Planning Commission really is
kind of the checks and balances of that

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building and zoning office.

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And so whether it was Robert or whether it
was anybody from that particular

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department to where you're putting them in
a position to where Ultimately,

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it's going to be impossible to not have
some kind of conflicts of interest as far

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some kind of conflicts of interest as far
as

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matters that have come through that office
that,

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that he's had to make determinations on,
judgment calls, subjective determinations.

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And so again, I wasn't planning on
speaking, and this isn't personal,

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but I do think that the potential for
conflicts of interest there would be

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conflicts of interest there would be
Pretty

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considerable. And again,

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I would say that for anybody that might be
coming into that position,

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and certainly respect the, the mayor's,
you know, decision.

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And as far as the nomination, and when she
mentioned that,

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that he has a lot of experience with it,
you know,

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I don't think there's any question with
that.

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But therein, in my opinion, lies the
problem.

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Is that you've got somebody that's going
to be in a position of oversight in being

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to be in a position of oversight in being
a

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check and balance for people that at one
time he may have supervised and with

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developments that he may have had a hand
in.

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And you might say, well, in those
particular instances,

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maybe he could recuse himself.

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But again, I think that in this particular
situation,

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Given the fact that that is an oversight
body for that particular office,

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I think it would be really difficult for
him to be able to remove himself and to be

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an independent decision maker. And I know
it would be for me.

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And again, that's nothing personal,

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but I think you become invested with the
decisions that you make in a particular

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position like that. And, you know,

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ultimately you may justify something that
you had done in that position that

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ultimately you're having to defend your
own actions in it.

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And so I make those statements and you can
do with those what you will,

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but in my opinion, I think that there
would be too much of a risk for conflicts

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would be too much of a risk for conflicts
of

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interest. Thank you. Mayor Butt.

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And I think a lot of the things that would
come before them would be future projects

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rather than things that were past
projects.

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Not to mention, Robert has shepherded them
through all of the zoning ordinances,

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all the new ordinances.

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He knows the things backwards and
forwards, and he could certainly excuse—

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recuse himself if that's what he thought
he needed to do,

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and I would trust him to do that.

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So I will stand behind my nomination of
Robert Calderero. Thank you.

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All right. Commissioner Hestla. Thank you,
Chair.

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I know we're not allowed a rebuttal for
the public comment,

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but can Robert come to the podium and say
something, please?

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Would you like to speak?

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Come on. Hey, Robert. I would just like to
hear your opinion on what Mr.

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Gramling said, because I know you and I
have talked about several of

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those things. during the process.

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So I'd like to hear what you have to say.

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Yeah, there's a presumption that I had a
call in divisions of land over 5 acres.

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The project that he's talking about, the
Ishi-Connect division of land,

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was something I knew nothing about until
the zoning ordinance public hearing in

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the zoning ordinance public hearing in
July

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of last year. And some people showed up in
signs of opposition to an Ishi-Connect

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development. Typically, properties are
divided in 5 acres or more.

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We, we never see it. They're divided under
state law.

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And, you know, and we're talking with
Chris Bramlett and Teresa Sparks.

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I later learned, because I was curious at
that time,

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because we've never seen development— find
out it's over 5 acres.

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Historically, we've never seen those.

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So, uh, find out later, and, uh, And
talking with them that there was a—

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there was an agreement,

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or there was talks with Columbia Power and
Water to extend that water main.

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And I talked to Columbia Power and Water
in months to come.

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They had discussed it with them, but there
was no, no follow-through.

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There was no other proceedings to
legitimize that act.

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I had no material evidence to act on.

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It wasn't until November, the following
November that year,

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that I actually heard from Columbia Power
and Water. They hadn't heard from them.

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But the developer had gone to TDAC for
that design.

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So they submitted designs for that
extension of that infrastructure to TDAC.

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At that time, it was our determination and
our attorney's determination it did fall

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within our wheelhouse. And we reacted
accordingly.

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So it wasn't that Robert wasn't doing his
job or we was viewing or approving 5-acre

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divisions. Historically, people divided
those properties.

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We never heard nothing about them until
there was an extension of infrastructure.

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Most of the time that consisted of roadway
development,

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and we were always involved with that.

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Seldom did we ever hear of a water main
extension.

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At this time, when we heard that they was
planning on extending that water main and

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we had material evidence, we pursued it
accordingly.

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So that's all I had on that.

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Thank you. And, and we did.

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We addressed it in November, and that's
with our attorney, Christy Ransom.

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She made that determination with—

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once I had that information from Columbia
Power and Water,

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I turned it over to her and we sent
letters out.

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Okay, thank you, Robert.

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Thank you, Chair. All right, anyone— any
other commissioners? Commissioner Stovall.

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Yeah, thank you, Chairman.

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Uh, Robert, can I ask Robert a question?
Sorry about that, Rob.

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Uh, how many members are on the planning—
on this— on the board?

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9 members. 9 members?

326
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Yes, sir. Each one of them got one vote,
right?

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Yes, sir.

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Okay, that's all I have.

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Thank you, Chairman.

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Thank you.

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You— would you like to speak?

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Can— that's from commissioners. From
commissioners.

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Yeah, go ahead, Mr.—

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Just a reply to the rebuttal there.

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He actually made the case for exactly what
has been going wrong with the Building

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and Zoning Department.

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I wasn't going to get into this, but now
I'll Absolutely cook them over it.

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And that's the fact that on 5-acre tracts
and more,

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building and zoning was not looking at
those.

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I could drive across this county right
now, and I'm actually in the process of

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now, and I'm actually in the process of
this,

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doing an audit of all of these
subdivisions that have went through

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subdivisions that have went through
building and

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zoning that we weren't looking at because
we were under the mistaken interpretation

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within building and zoning that those had—

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would not go before the Planning
Commission.

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And that is not the way that the law
reads.

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This was not something to where Columbia
Power and Water spoke up at some point

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Power and Water spoke up at some point
down

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the road, and that's why building and
zoning got into it.

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There were citizens that expressed issues
with this for months over this particular

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subdivision and were told that there was
nothing that they could do until they had

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to pay me to write a legal opinion that
went before the building and zoning

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attorney, and she completely agreed with
everything that we said,

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that we have been misinterpreting This for
who knows how long,

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but at least when that subdivision came
along, the 5-acre determination is—

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Automatically goes before the Planning
Commission.

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If it's over 5 acres, you've got to make a
judgment call.

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And at the end of the day, the
determination is,

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are they trying to create a subdivision?

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Infrastructure is one of those layers that
you look at.

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It's one of those factors.

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But when we talk about overdevelopment,

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when we talk about growth and the fact
that the county has approved less

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that the county has approved less
development

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than the city of Columbia, for example,

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part of that is a lot of these
subdivisions have been built without going

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subdivisions have been built without going
through

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the proper process. The Planning
Commission is our— again,

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that's our checks and balances to be sure
that these developers are doing things the

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right way. And there are subdivisions and
This will be coming out in the coming

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months. There are subdivisions all over
this county right now that did not go

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this county right now that did not go
before

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the Planning Commission that should have.
You've got excessive driveways.

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You've got areas where subdivisions have
put in—

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been put in where people don't have water,
where infrastructure was extended.

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And that's the entire problem here, is
building and zoning was not looking at it.

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And so Um, again, this is not personal.

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I'm, I'm making the case for the people on
this,

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that I'm not even sure it's legally proper
that you could take someone out of a

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director position and put them on a
planning commission that's advising

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planning commission that's advising
decisions

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from that same department.

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You know, in Washington, D.C.,

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even when you've got someone that goes out
of government,

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you've got to have a cooling-off period
before that happens.

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And so, um, Based on the comments that
were made,

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I would strongly request that this, this
body deny the recommendation.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thank you. Any further
discussion? Yes. Come on up.

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Thank you. Theresa Sparks, District 9.

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If you've been on Double Branch Road, If
any—

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has anybody been on Double Branch Road?
It's a disaster.

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They knew that they were dividing that
property.

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The, the Building and Zoning Committee
knew that they had to put in

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knew that they had to put in
infrastructure.

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It's the same fact pattern. The driveways
are dangerous.

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The homeowners still don't have water.
They still don't have water.

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Some of them have just— One in particular,
Doug, just decided to dig a well.

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Still no water. And that's why we fought
so, so passionately,

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because we didn't want what was happening
there, which we were all watching unfold—

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this disaster, these dangerous driveways,

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this water infrastructure that came in and
created a subdivision.

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And that's why we were fighting this on
East Sheepneck,

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because we did not want that same fact
pattern replicated.

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And it, it is absolutely inappropriate to
have—

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Robert has been great to me and very kind,

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and I echo those comments,

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and his knowledge is invaluable in certain
areas.

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But this was a very big lapse in knowledge
of the law.

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I mean, quite honestly, if we hadn't just
started researching it as citizens,

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This would have never been uncovered. And
this was our— this is not my job.

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I have another job, believe it or not. I'm
here frequently, but I have another job.

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And it's just not—

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we can, we can reach out to him.

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We can ask for advice if we need that as a
committee,

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the Regional Planning Commission. But it's
not appropriate.

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It's just not appropriate to go from that
position to that board. Thank you.

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That board is already under question
because of the amount of developers and

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because of the amount of developers and
real

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estate professionals on that board. We've
got to get that board in order, and we've—

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in order to be able to control the growth
in this county.

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We're doing things, we're letting
developers go behind,

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circumvent rules and regulations. We can
show you that.

425
00:29:28,935 --> 00:29:30,829
If you have any interest, we can show you
that.

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00:29:30,957 --> 00:29:31,856
Get Christie's memo.

427
00:29:31,856 --> 00:29:32,129
Thank you.

428
00:29:32,939 --> 00:29:34,099
We have to stop that.

429
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So thank you. I appreciate the time.

430
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All right. Any further discussion?

431
00:29:40,807 --> 00:29:45,248
We're going to have to take them one at a
time.

432
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Do we need to take them one at a time or
both?

433
00:29:49,595 --> 00:29:56,587
Can we take them both at once or one at a
time? Motion was for both? Okay.

434
00:29:56,587 --> 00:30:01,501
All right. So we'll— Chairman, Yes. Just
real quick.

435
00:30:01,501 --> 00:30:05,659
There's also another nominee, Quentin
Jones.

436
00:30:05,707 --> 00:30:10,109
I don't know, is he going to slide in or
can we get introduced to him?

437
00:30:10,109 --> 00:30:13,231
Quentin is currently on the Planning
Commission.

438
00:30:13,231 --> 00:30:14,735
Oh, okay.

439
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,447
He's a renewal.

440
00:30:15,447 --> 00:30:17,615
Yes. He's being reappointed.

441
00:30:17,615 --> 00:30:21,174
Okay. Thank you very much. All right. So
the motion was both.

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We'll vote on that if there's no further
discussion.

443
00:30:24,869 --> 00:30:26,665
Please vote.

444
00:30:26,665 --> 00:30:29,096
Hold on. Commissioner Bauld.

445
00:30:29,096 --> 00:30:35,783
I just— I'm not sure it's fair to continue
with both of them since there is a

446
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question about one. I would ask that maybe
we split them up.

447
00:30:40,993 --> 00:30:47,158
I'll make a motion that we split them up.
I got to deal with— I got it.

448
00:30:47,158 --> 00:30:53,844
You can amend the motion. But so you want
to make an amendment to the motion?

449
00:30:53,844 --> 00:30:54,379
Yes, sir.

450
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That we do it one at a time?

451
00:30:56,017 --> 00:30:56,503
Yes.

452
00:30:56,503 --> 00:31:01,397
Do I have a second? By Commissioner
Haines. All right.

453
00:31:01,397 --> 00:31:07,287
So the motion is— the amendment is to vote
on them one at a time.

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It's been properly— it's been properly
motioned and seconded.

455
00:31:12,815 --> 00:31:15,715
Is there any discussion on that?

456
00:31:17,685 --> 00:31:17,783
No.

457
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Seeing none, we'll vote.

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We're voting on the amendment to take

459
00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:39,132
them one at a time.

460
00:31:42,132 --> 00:31:43,228
Gary, just to say something.

461
00:31:43,228 --> 00:31:44,855
Commissioner Stovall.

462
00:31:44,855 --> 00:31:47,340
Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman.

463
00:31:50,340 --> 00:31:51,979
I have some concerns here.

464
00:31:53,553 --> 00:31:56,796
We just got information from our attorney,
right?

465
00:31:56,796 --> 00:32:00,701
And he said it was okay for us to do both
at the same time.

466
00:32:00,701 --> 00:32:05,267
He's the legal authority for this body
here, right, tonight, I think.

467
00:32:05,267 --> 00:32:10,628
Supposedly, and I know because we hired
him to do our legal So I think we need to

468
00:32:10,628 --> 00:32:15,129
take his advice. You know, I'm not a
lawyer and I'm not an attorney,

469
00:32:15,129 --> 00:32:17,644
but we're supposed to take his advice.

470
00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:22,409
I think we ought to take his advice and go
forward. Thank you, Chairman.

471
00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:25,847
Commissioner— I mean, Attorney Dobies.

472
00:32:25,847 --> 00:32:27,146
Thank you, Chairman.

473
00:32:27,146 --> 00:32:31,888
Yeah, I— these are appointments by the
mayor, so it's an up or down vote.

474
00:32:31,888 --> 00:32:35,461
There's no nominations that can be
accepted, of course.

475
00:32:35,461 --> 00:32:39,878
It's up to the Commission, but, you know,
just practically speaking,

476
00:32:39,878 --> 00:32:42,671
if there is a question of one or the
other,

477
00:32:42,671 --> 00:32:45,854
it probably would make sense to do them
separate.

478
00:32:45,854 --> 00:32:50,986
It's probably, you know, practically
speaking, the easiest way to weigh it out,

479
00:32:50,986 --> 00:32:52,934
but it's up to the Commission.

480
00:32:52,934 --> 00:32:56,702
So it's up to however they want to motion
it or action it.

481
00:32:56,702 --> 00:32:58,937
So we have an amendment.

482
00:32:58,937 --> 00:33:03,315
To amend the motion to take them one at a
time,

483
00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:08,158
it's been seconded. Is there any further
discussion?

484
00:33:08,158 --> 00:33:10,562
No.

485
00:33:10,562 --> 00:33:11,534
Seeing none, we'll vote.

486
00:33:11,534 --> 00:33:14,968
Please vote.

487
00:33:14,968 --> 00:33:28,119
Voting on the amendment to take them one
at a time.

488
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,349
14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain.

489
00:33:33,349 --> 00:33:37,074
14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain. All right.

490
00:33:37,074 --> 00:33:40,798
So we will take them one at a time.

491
00:33:40,798 --> 00:33:46,758
And the way I have them, the first one is
Quentin Jones.

492
00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:50,589
So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.

493
00:33:50,589 --> 00:33:57,506
We have to vote on the motion as amended.
First, right? No? Okay.

494
00:33:57,506 --> 00:34:01,337
So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.

495
00:34:01,337 --> 00:34:07,757
She can bring their

496
00:34:07,757 --> 00:34:09,446
name—

497
00:34:09,446 --> 00:34:15,866
his name right back

498
00:34:15,866 --> 00:34:19,245
next time.

499
00:34:19,245 --> 00:34:35,638
Okay.

500
00:34:45,830 --> 00:34:48,627
We do have to vote on this as well. Okay.

501
00:34:48,627 --> 00:34:53,470
Yes, Danny, we do have to vote that we're
voting on the amended motion.

502
00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:57,179
Yeah, we have to vote on the motion as
amended.

503
00:34:57,179 --> 00:35:01,125
So we'll be voting on that, the motion as
amended,

504
00:35:01,125 --> 00:35:03,650
that we take them one at a time.

505
00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:06,930
I thought we just did that before.

506
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:07,530
Huh?

507
00:35:07,530 --> 00:35:09,162
I thought we just did that.

508
00:35:12,162 --> 00:35:17,727
You voted on the amendment, and then you
got to vote to amend the—

509
00:35:17,727 --> 00:35:20,004
vote on the amended motion.

510
00:35:20,004 --> 00:35:22,637
Okay, just to appease me,

511
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:25,692
you won't let me do anything,

512
00:35:25,692 --> 00:35:28,430
so you vote a second time.

513
00:35:28,543 --> 00:35:49,110
Okay, thank you. Yeah, so we're voting on
the motion as amended.

514
00:36:03,816 --> 00:36:05,647
16 aye, 6 no.

515
00:36:05,647 --> 00:36:13,515
So that passes with 16

516
00:36:13,515 --> 00:36:21,741
aye and 6 no. So now we

517
00:36:21,741 --> 00:36:27,821
will be voting on

518
00:36:27,821 --> 00:36:35,332
Quentin Jones. Please

519
00:36:35,332 --> 00:36:47,407
vote.

520
00:36:50,407 --> 00:36:53,272
22 ayes.

521
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:58,462
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

522
00:36:58,462 --> 00:37:03,509
Now we'll be voting on Robert Calderero.

523
00:37:03,509 --> 00:37:20,014
Aye.

524
00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:29,150
Mr. Chairman, stop.

525
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:35,873
Yes, sir. Before we vote. Yes, go ahead,
Mr. Stovall.

526
00:37:35,873 --> 00:37:38,540
I hate to be delaying and holding up
stuff.

527
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:40,276
You know, I'm a person here,

528
00:37:40,276 --> 00:37:44,059
I believe in giving everybody a fair shake
and a fair chance.

529
00:37:44,059 --> 00:37:48,959
You know, and I think that By us not doing
that, then we, we're just giving Mr.

530
00:37:48,959 --> 00:37:53,176
Calderaro just a, uh, not a good
recommendation, not a good concern.

531
00:37:53,176 --> 00:37:58,386
And I think we should get everybody a fair
shake of everything before we try to pass

532
00:37:58,386 --> 00:38:03,471
judgment on them. And for that reason, I
think I'm going to support Mr. Calderaro.

533
00:38:03,471 --> 00:38:07,328
Thank you, sir. Commissioner Marr.

534
00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:12,623
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also intend to
support Robert He may have made mistakes.

535
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:14,537
He may not have made mistakes.

536
00:38:14,537 --> 00:38:18,174
Nobody that does anything actually doesn't
make mistakes,

537
00:38:18,174 --> 00:38:21,300
but he has a wealth of knowledge on this
subject,

538
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:25,639
and I have attended enough Planning
Commission meetings to know that

539
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:26,277
Commission meetings to know that
knowledge,

540
00:38:26,277 --> 00:38:30,424
that kind of knowledge, is a little bit
thin on the ground there,

541
00:38:30,424 --> 00:38:34,571
and we need all of it we can get. So I
will be supporting Robert.

542
00:38:34,571 --> 00:38:39,420
I don't think Robert has ever done
anything really out of line or dishonest,

543
00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:41,589
so I have faith in him. Thank you.

544
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:45,728
Thank you. Anyone else? We'll vote.

545
00:38:46,131 --> 00:38:53,799
Please

546
00:38:53,799 --> 00:39:00,189
vote.

547
00:39:00,189 --> 00:39:09,134
16 aye,

548
00:39:09,134 --> 00:39:15,524
6 no.

549
00:39:15,524 --> 00:39:19,500
That passes with 16 in the affirmative, 6
no.

550
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:22,680
All right, we'll move on to 09-2608,

551
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:28,599
appointment of Senior Engineer Matthew—
how you say your name, sir?

552
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:29,588
Pfeiffer.

553
00:39:29,588 --> 00:39:36,187
Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer as interim director to
building and zoning. Mayor Butt?

554
00:39:36,187 --> 00:39:41,301
Yes, Matthew has been in there a short
time. He is very knowledgeable.

555
00:39:41,301 --> 00:39:45,539
He's an engineer. He will be able to
answer the questions.

556
00:39:45,539 --> 00:39:50,141
I know he is very thorough and will look
at everything closely.

557
00:39:50,141 --> 00:39:54,744
So for our interim, I do recommend Matthew
Pfeiffer. Thank you.

558
00:39:54,744 --> 00:39:58,128
All right. I need a motion. Commissioner
Hestla.

559
00:39:58,128 --> 00:40:00,314
Seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

560
00:40:00,314 --> 00:40:02,852
Is there any discussion on this one?

561
00:40:02,852 --> 00:40:03,207
No.

562
00:40:03,207 --> 00:40:05,257
Seeing none, we'll vote.

563
00:40:05,257 --> 00:40:10,650
Please

564
00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:15,144
vote.

565
00:40:15,144 --> 00:40:16,942
22

566
00:40:16,942 --> 00:40:21,436
ayes.

567
00:40:21,436 --> 00:40:24,705
That passes with 22 ayes. Affirmative.

568
00:40:24,705 --> 00:40:29,609
09-2609, appointment of 3 members to the
Audit Committee,

569
00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:32,620
is going to be deferred to October.

570
00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:38,039
Uh, 2610, appointment of one member to the
Civil Service Board.

571
00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:45,008
Uh, I have the name of Debbie Notley. Uh,
Commissioner Markham? You didn't? Okay.

572
00:40:45,008 --> 00:40:48,621
All right, that's the mayor's appointment.

573
00:40:48,621 --> 00:40:53,353
All right, it's got his name on it, that's
why I asked.

574
00:40:53,353 --> 00:40:56,364
Um, so can I get a motion for that?

575
00:40:56,364 --> 00:41:03,160
Motion by Commissioner Strand, seconded by
Commissioner Morrow. Any discussion?

576
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,945
Any public comment? Seeing none, we'll
vote.

577
00:41:06,945 --> 00:41:11,632
Please

578
00:41:11,632 --> 00:41:18,714
vote.

579
00:41:21,714 --> 00:41:22,693
22 ayes.

580
00:41:22,693 --> 00:41:25,461
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

581
00:41:25,461 --> 00:41:29,861
Appointment of 2 members to the Ethics
Board, that's 09-26-11.

582
00:41:29,861 --> 00:41:35,538
I have Cindy Hestla and Winston Harlan.
Mayor Butt, those are your appointments?

583
00:41:35,538 --> 00:41:36,454
Yes, they are.

584
00:41:36,454 --> 00:41:43,224
Can I get a motion? I have a motion

585
00:41:43,224 --> 00:41:48,253
by Commissioner Romesburg,

586
00:41:48,253 --> 00:41:54,830
seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

587
00:41:54,830 --> 00:42:01,213
Any discussion on that one or any

588
00:42:01,213 --> 00:42:06,630
public comment? Seeing none,

589
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:15,464
we'll vote. Please vote.

590
00:42:18,464 --> 00:42:19,667
22 aye.

591
00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:22,322
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

592
00:42:22,322 --> 00:42:27,428
I have 09-26-12, announcement of 2
vacancies to the Civil Service Board due

593
00:42:27,428 --> 00:42:27,836
vacancies to the Civil Service Board due
to the

594
00:42:27,836 --> 00:42:32,806
resignation of Tim Holt and Wayne
Romesburg. That's just an announcement.

595
00:42:32,806 --> 00:42:37,843
09-26-13 is an announcement of 1 member's
term expiring on the Park Board.

596
00:42:37,843 --> 00:42:43,017
That is just an announcement. I will now
take a motion to accept the consent

597
00:42:43,017 --> 00:42:43,494
take a motion to accept the consent
agenda.

598
00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:47,919
I have Commissioner Sumners, seconded by
Commissioner Kuzawinski.

599
00:42:47,919 --> 00:42:51,731
Is there any discussion on this one?
Commissioner Cohen?

600
00:42:51,731 --> 00:42:56,068
Yes, I would like to make a motion

601
00:42:56,068 --> 00:43:00,022
to— let me see, let me find it,

602
00:43:00,022 --> 00:43:07,816
sorry.

603
00:43:10,816 --> 00:43:10,913
The—

604
00:43:11,396 --> 00:43:12,009
sorry, Mr.

605
00:43:12,266 --> 00:43:14,297
Chair. That's okay.

606
00:43:14,297 --> 00:43:21,130
I lost it. The plan that Doug has coming
up on

607
00:43:21,130 --> 00:43:28,260
the agenda, it's all slipped in there
somewhere.

608
00:43:28,260 --> 00:43:30,024
It's not on the consent item.

609
00:43:30,024 --> 00:43:30,901
That's not a consent item?

610
00:43:30,901 --> 00:43:37,946
It's not on the consent, no, sir. Okay.
All right.

611
00:43:38,188 --> 00:43:38,477
My bad.

612
00:43:38,654 --> 00:43:43,672
You good? Okay. Okay. Commissioner Marr.
Yes, sir.

613
00:43:43,737 --> 00:43:45,013
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

614
00:43:45,013 --> 00:43:48,893
I would respectfully request again,
because I have asked for this before,

615
00:43:48,893 --> 00:43:51,498
anytime we have a membership on a board
expiring,

616
00:43:51,498 --> 00:43:54,846
can we please put the name of the person
who's expiring in the,

617
00:43:54,846 --> 00:43:56,388
in the agenda of the meeting?

618
00:43:56,829 --> 00:43:57,090
Okay.

619
00:43:57,254 --> 00:43:57,450
Thank you.

620
00:43:57,499 --> 00:44:02,369
All right. Thank you. Who was the motion?

621
00:44:02,369 --> 00:44:07,476
So I have a motion by Commissioner
Sumners,

622
00:44:07,476 --> 00:44:11,752
seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.

623
00:44:11,752 --> 00:44:14,127
Commissioner Barnes.

624
00:44:16,176 --> 00:44:19,792
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

625
00:44:19,792 --> 00:44:24,614
I'd like to request that 09-2635

626
00:44:24,614 --> 00:44:27,778
resolution All right.

627
00:44:29,993 --> 00:44:36,634
I have a motion to remove 09-26-35 from
the consent agenda. Is there a second?

628
00:44:36,634 --> 00:44:37,811
You don't need a motion for that.

629
00:44:37,811 --> 00:44:38,665
Don't need it?

630
00:44:38,665 --> 00:44:39,633
It just takes one person to move it.

631
00:44:39,633 --> 00:44:45,300
All right. Well, we're moving it off then.
Where are we going to put it?

632
00:44:45,300 --> 00:44:46,481
Between 34 and—

633
00:44:46,481 --> 00:44:51,340
Yeah, between 34 and 36.

634
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:58,762
Okay. We'll be voting on the consent
agenda. Commissioner Cohen?

635
00:44:58,762 --> 00:45:02,475
Yes, sir. On here we have 09-26-34,

636
00:45:02,475 --> 00:45:07,355
resolution for accepting the approved
proposed

637
00:45:07,355 --> 00:45:08,946
strategic plan.

638
00:45:08,946 --> 00:45:11,188
That's not on the consent agenda.

639
00:45:11,188 --> 00:45:11,687
Okay.

640
00:45:12,026 --> 00:45:12,462
I'm sorry.

641
00:45:12,462 --> 00:45:16,499
Okay. All right. We'll vote on the consent
agenda.

642
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:29,873
Please vote.

643
00:45:32,873 --> 00:45:33,247
22 aye.

644
00:45:33,247 --> 00:45:39,567
That passes with 22 in the

645
00:45:39,567 --> 00:45:44,428
affirmative. 092621,

646
00:45:44,428 --> 00:45:48,317
Attorney Dobies.

647
00:45:48,317 --> 00:45:54,169
Hello.

648
00:45:54,249 --> 00:45:56,075
Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

649
00:45:56,075 --> 00:45:59,592
092621 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment moving funds for the Murray

650
00:45:59,592 --> 00:46:02,931
County Parks Department for receipt of
funds from the Tennessee Agriculture

651
00:46:02,931 --> 00:46:04,089
Enhancement Program grant.

652
00:46:04,089 --> 00:46:06,728
I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,

653
00:46:06,728 --> 00:46:10,819
seconded by Commissioner Brothers. Any
discussion on this one?

654
00:46:10,819 --> 00:46:12,403
Seeing none, we'll vote.

655
00:46:12,403 --> 00:46:19,544
Please vote. 22 ayes.

656
00:46:19,544 --> 00:46:26,058
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092622, Attorney Dobies.

657
00:46:26,058 --> 00:46:27,185
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

658
00:46:27,185 --> 00:46:30,942
092622 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment to move funds for the Murray

659
00:46:30,942 --> 00:46:34,464
County Emergency Management Department for
the purchase of land for Project

660
00:46:34,464 --> 00:46:34,887
Guardian.

661
00:46:37,399 --> 00:46:42,088
I got a motion by Commissioner Hestla,
seconded by Commissioner Holt.

662
00:46:42,088 --> 00:46:44,807
Any discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.

663
00:46:44,807 --> 00:46:50,315
Please

664
00:46:50,315 --> 00:46:54,906
vote.

665
00:46:54,906 --> 00:46:56,742
22

666
00:46:56,742 --> 00:47:01,332
ayes.

667
00:47:01,332 --> 00:47:05,922
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2629, Attorney Dobies.

668
00:47:05,922 --> 00:47:07,118
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

669
00:47:07,118 --> 00:47:10,857
09-2629 is a resolution approving
acceptance of a bid for the Murray County

670
00:47:10,857 --> 00:47:11,206
acceptance of a bid for the Murray County
Highway

671
00:47:11,206 --> 00:47:13,997
Department for a bridge repair project on
Monsanto Road.

672
00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:18,364
I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Hessler.

673
00:47:18,364 --> 00:47:21,963
Is there any discussion on that one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.

674
00:47:21,963 --> 00:47:27,945
Please vote.

675
00:47:30,945 --> 00:47:36,125
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2630, Attorney Dobbs.

676
00:47:36,125 --> 00:47:37,288
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

677
00:47:37,288 --> 00:47:41,213
Uh, 09-2630 is a resolution approving the
hiring of a senior accountant above the

678
00:47:41,213 --> 00:47:43,927
first quartile for the Murray County
Finance Department.

679
00:47:43,927 --> 00:47:50,252
I got a motion by Commissioner Green,

680
00:47:50,252 --> 00:47:55,722
seconded by Commissioner Strand.

681
00:47:55,722 --> 00:48:01,875
Is there any discussion on this one?

682
00:48:01,875 --> 00:48:08,200
Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.

683
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,460
22 ayes.

684
00:48:09,460 --> 00:48:14,500
Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092631,
Attorney Dobies.

685
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:16,118
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

686
00:48:16,118 --> 00:48:21,308
Uh, 092631 is a resolution amending the
2026-2027 school general purpose fund

687
00:48:21,308 --> 00:48:22,036
budget.

688
00:48:25,036 --> 00:48:27,617
Don't everybody raise your hand at once.

689
00:48:27,617 --> 00:48:32,135
Commissioner Hollinsworth and Commissioner
Green, any, any discussion?

690
00:48:32,135 --> 00:48:32,623
No.

691
00:48:32,623 --> 00:48:51,207
Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.

692
00:48:54,316 --> 00:48:55,624
21 aye, 1 abstain.

693
00:48:55,624 --> 00:49:03,448
That passes with 21 in the affirmative, 1
abstention. Uh, 092632, Attorney Dobies.

694
00:49:03,448 --> 00:49:04,799
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

695
00:49:04,799 --> 00:49:09,360
092632 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment for the Murray County Trustee

696
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,105
for the premium on surety bond.

697
00:49:11,105 --> 00:49:15,730
I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,
seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

698
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:18,980
Any discussion on this one? Seeing none,
we'll vote.

699
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:23,403
Please

700
00:49:23,403 --> 00:49:27,089
vote.

701
00:49:27,089 --> 00:49:31,675
22 aye.

702
00:49:31,675 --> 00:49:37,312
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2633, Attorney Dobies.

703
00:49:37,312 --> 00:49:38,450
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

704
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:42,289
09-2633 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment for the line item adjustment

705
00:49:42,289 --> 00:49:46,080
for the Murray County Sheriff's Department
for the mental health transport grant

706
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:46,412
budget.

707
00:49:46,753 --> 00:49:54,016
I got a motion by Commissioner Green,
seconded by Commissioner— what's her name?

708
00:49:54,016 --> 00:49:55,568
Phillips. Phillips.

709
00:49:55,633 --> 00:50:00,561
Commissioner Phillips. Thank you. All
right. Any discussion?

710
00:50:00,561 --> 00:50:02,532
Seeing none, we'll vote.

711
00:50:02,532 --> 00:50:16,979
Please vote.

712
00:50:19,979 --> 00:50:27,404
22 aye. That passes with 22 in the
affirmative. 092634, Attorney Dobies.

713
00:50:27,404 --> 00:50:28,642
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

714
00:50:28,642 --> 00:50:32,459
092634 is a resolution accepting and
approving the proposed strategic plan

715
00:50:32,459 --> 00:50:32,872
approving the proposed strategic plan
document

716
00:50:32,872 --> 00:50:35,967
as the official strategic plan for Murray
County, Tennessee.

717
00:50:38,662 --> 00:50:42,743
Commissioner Kuzawinski, seconded by
Commissioner Romsberg.

718
00:50:42,743 --> 00:50:46,617
Is there any discussion on this one?
Commissioner Cohen.

719
00:50:46,617 --> 00:50:52,634
Yes, sir. Trying to review this 40-page
document has been—

720
00:50:52,634 --> 00:50:58,444
it's a lot when you're trying to do it in
a couple days.

721
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:01,527
I feel like that this needs to go back to
committee.

722
00:51:02,504 --> 00:51:04,626
I make a motion to send it back to
committee.

723
00:51:04,626 --> 00:51:06,889
I think more discussion needs to be had on
this.

724
00:51:06,889 --> 00:51:10,662
Maybe a little more in-depth discussion on
the framework. It's a good framework.

725
00:51:10,662 --> 00:51:14,057
It looks good, but I think there's more
discussion that needs to be had.

726
00:51:14,057 --> 00:51:20,802
We don't have a second.

727
00:51:20,802 --> 00:51:26,495
Can I get a second for that? Seconded by
Commissioner Marr.

728
00:51:26,495 --> 00:51:33,828
So it's been motioned to amend it to send
it back to the Planning Committee.

729
00:51:33,828 --> 00:51:40,775
We'll vote on the amendment. Commissioner
Sumners. Admin? Thank you, Mr.

730
00:51:40,775 --> 00:51:43,380
Chairman. Go back to admin.

731
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:45,211
This actually came through budget
committee.

732
00:51:45,211 --> 00:51:46,946
So it'll go back to budget.

733
00:51:46,946 --> 00:51:53,247
And, you know, we discussed this the

734
00:51:53,247 --> 00:51:58,848
other night at budget and It's a

735
00:51:58,848 --> 00:51:59,898
start.

736
00:51:59,898 --> 00:52:02,421
Yeah.

737
00:52:02,421 --> 00:52:05,276
You know, it's not something that's set in
stone.

738
00:52:05,276 --> 00:52:07,664
It's a— I think somebody put it this way—

739
00:52:07,664 --> 00:52:12,078
it's a dynamic plan. So that means it
changes and can change.

740
00:52:12,078 --> 00:52:17,142
And it can change with any input that
anyone has here, a commissioner,

741
00:52:17,142 --> 00:52:20,977
department head, if a goal changes, if a
goal is met.

742
00:52:22,195 --> 00:52:24,078
It's just a start.

743
00:52:26,285 --> 00:52:29,604
I think we need to, to go ahead and
approve this.

744
00:52:30,759 --> 00:52:37,088
And then, you know, as things do come up,
if things change, if we want to make,

745
00:52:37,088 --> 00:52:41,334
make changes, we can make changes anytime
we want to.

746
00:52:41,334 --> 00:52:46,462
Uh, just has to be on the agenda for, for
a discussion for that.

747
00:52:46,462 --> 00:52:51,669
So, uh, it is a start. It's not totally,
uh, a finished document.

748
00:52:51,669 --> 00:52:51,765
Okay.

749
00:52:52,567 --> 00:52:54,234
Because it's, it's a, it's a plan.

750
00:52:54,426 --> 00:52:55,965
Plans change all the time.

751
00:52:56,975 --> 00:52:58,415
Uh, I tell you what,

752
00:52:58,415 --> 00:53:04,317
it's a hell of a lot better than the one
we had in 2018 and 2019, that's for sure.

753
00:53:05,231 --> 00:53:09,582
So, uh, I, I think we need to go ahead and
just, and,

754
00:53:09,582 --> 00:53:14,590
and approve this tonight and, and make
changes as we need to.

755
00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:15,411
Thank you.

756
00:53:15,411 --> 00:53:17,815
Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Romesburg.

757
00:53:19,322 --> 00:53:26,861
I agree with— there it goes.

758
00:53:27,427 --> 00:53:30,928
I agree with Commissioner Sumner there
that this is a living document,

759
00:53:30,928 --> 00:53:33,228
just like the Constitution. It can be
changed.

760
00:53:34,115 --> 00:53:34,902
It's a beginning.

761
00:53:35,256 --> 00:53:39,835
You have to always start somewhere. This
is the first stepping stone.

762
00:53:39,916 --> 00:53:41,201
We need to pass this tonight.

763
00:53:41,506 --> 00:53:43,258
Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Haynes.

764
00:53:43,827 --> 00:53:44,868
Thank you, Chairman.

765
00:53:44,868 --> 00:53:46,377
I am on the Budget Committee,

766
00:53:46,377 --> 00:53:50,229
and what I understood was there was going
to be input from the commission.

767
00:53:50,229 --> 00:53:52,623
So if we send it back to the Budget
Committee,

768
00:53:52,623 --> 00:53:56,423
where will the input from all the
commissioners come? Like, how will that

769
00:53:56,423 --> 00:53:56,787
commissioners come? Like, how will that
happen?

770
00:53:56,787 --> 00:53:58,713
And that, that's what my question is.

771
00:53:58,713 --> 00:54:02,773
If we approve it tonight, then the entire
committee can still put input on it.

772
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:03,606
Is that correct?

773
00:54:03,606 --> 00:54:03,943
Yes.

774
00:54:03,943 --> 00:54:06,894
Okay. So I feel like, as Commissioner
Sumner said,

775
00:54:06,894 --> 00:54:11,793
approving it tonight and everybody working
on it is more productive than sending it

776
00:54:11,793 --> 00:54:15,335
back to budget. We're stalled again and
got to send it back.

777
00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:19,296
Okay. Any further discussion?

778
00:54:19,604 --> 00:54:26,744
Commissioner Brothers.

779
00:54:26,744 --> 00:54:28,283
It's like a Lite-Brite.

780
00:54:28,829 --> 00:54:29,439
Hey, thank you, Chair.

781
00:54:29,970 --> 00:54:32,164
I just wanted to add a quick comment.

782
00:54:32,164 --> 00:54:35,129
I am in agreement with all the comments,
actually.

783
00:54:35,129 --> 00:54:36,730
I agree it's a lot to read,

784
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:41,711
but what I would caution people on is once
things go back into the committee washing

785
00:54:41,711 --> 00:54:45,624
cycle. Sometimes it is months and years to
get something back out.

786
00:54:45,624 --> 00:54:50,605
I would think that the comprehensive land
use plan would be a great example of that.

787
00:54:50,605 --> 00:54:54,637
I don't mind the comment about having
specific measurables in there.

788
00:54:54,637 --> 00:54:59,144
I think a lot of things we can get from
Murray Alliance and maybe do better,

789
00:54:59,144 --> 00:55:00,982
and I will take that up myself.

790
00:55:00,982 --> 00:55:05,904
But as far as the strategic plan that Doug
and the directors and the mayor have put

791
00:55:05,904 --> 00:55:08,335
together, I I'm going to stand behind it.

792
00:55:08,725 --> 00:55:13,799
Thank you. All right. Any further
discussion?

793
00:55:13,799 --> 00:55:21,466
Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment
to send this back to Budget

794
00:55:21,466 --> 00:55:25,412
Committee. You're voting to either—

795
00:55:25,412 --> 00:55:33,305
the amendment is to send it back to Budget
Committee, so if it passes,

796
00:55:33,305 --> 00:55:38,153
it will go back to Budget, but if it
fails,

797
00:55:38,153 --> 00:55:43,001
we will go back to the original
resolution.

798
00:55:43,001 --> 00:55:49,766
So you're voting on the amendment to send
it back to budget.

799
00:55:49,766 --> 00:55:55,967
That passes— I mean, that fails with 3
ayes and 19 nos.

800
00:55:55,967 --> 00:56:02,507
So we'll go back to the original Motion,
and that was, uh,

801
00:56:02,507 --> 00:56:10,287
to approve the land use plan? No, the
strategic plan. Strategic plan.

802
00:56:10,287 --> 00:56:18,292
All right, is there any further discussion
on that? Any public comment?

803
00:56:18,292 --> 00:56:21,854
Mr. Gramley.

804
00:56:24,854 --> 00:56:28,392
Um, I'm guessing you're going to pass this
anyway,

805
00:56:28,392 --> 00:56:32,920
but I want to just for the record, there's
no mention of ethics.

806
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,467
Again, another elephant in the room.

807
00:56:35,467 --> 00:56:41,268
There's been a massive ethics problem in
this county. Where is the accountability?

808
00:56:41,268 --> 00:56:45,584
Where is that? What— why is my ethics
complaint not answered?

809
00:56:45,584 --> 00:56:49,263
Why is Teresa Sparks' ethics complaint not
answered?

810
00:56:49,263 --> 00:56:52,871
How can that not be included in the
strategic plan?

811
00:56:52,871 --> 00:56:56,975
We're just going to say, oh, people do
whatever they want.

812
00:56:56,975 --> 00:57:02,069
And then that begs the question of
accountability. Everybody just gets a

813
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:02,635
accountability. Everybody just gets a
do-over.

814
00:57:02,635 --> 00:57:04,192
There's theoretically—

815
00:57:04,192 --> 00:57:09,852
this county is liable for tens of millions
of dollars if you sit down and do the

816
00:57:09,852 --> 00:57:14,380
math. This isn't 6th grade. It's not, you
know, peewee Baseball.

817
00:57:14,380 --> 00:57:20,040
There are people that are suffering out
there over on Double Branch and numerous

818
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,912
other places. This isn't a joke. It's not
funny. It shouldn't be taken so casually.

819
00:57:25,912 --> 00:57:31,714
This strategic plan should have something
in there about ethics at the very least.

820
00:57:31,714 --> 00:57:36,737
Regarding the IT plan, it's a complete
joke. It's an absolute disgrace.

821
00:57:36,737 --> 00:57:40,204
There's no mention of a business
continuity plan,

822
00:57:40,204 --> 00:57:42,963
no mention of a disaster recovery plan.

823
00:57:42,963 --> 00:57:43,107
Mr.

824
00:57:43,476 --> 00:57:48,263
No mention of a written information
security plan. I mean, there's no KPIs.

825
00:57:48,263 --> 00:57:51,135
It's a joke. Absolute— absolutely
ridiculous.

826
00:57:51,135 --> 00:57:54,646
If this was in corporate America, this
would never fly.

827
00:57:54,646 --> 00:57:59,752
People would be fired over this. We've got
to start taking this stuff seriously.

828
00:57:59,752 --> 00:58:04,858
Sooner or later, something really bad is
going to happen if we don't wake up and

829
00:58:04,858 --> 00:58:09,389
make a change. I know you guys are
probably going to pass it, but these

830
00:58:09,389 --> 00:58:09,836
probably going to pass it, but these
things,

831
00:58:09,836 --> 00:58:14,751
the ethics, The public records request
process that I have repeatedly come in

832
00:58:14,751 --> 00:58:15,006
process that I have repeatedly come in
this

833
00:58:15,006 --> 00:58:16,410
room and talked about.

834
00:58:16,410 --> 00:58:21,389
It's ridiculous that the IT guy apparently
just gives it to the subject of the

835
00:58:21,389 --> 00:58:22,920
request who fulfills it.

836
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,431
And then I get, I get somebody call me up
and say, hey,

837
00:58:26,431 --> 00:58:31,026
so-and-so who I was asking about called me
and said, what is this about?

838
00:58:31,026 --> 00:58:35,047
The subject of a public records request
called a person asking?

839
00:58:35,047 --> 00:58:37,728
That's like intimidation. It's ridiculous.

840
00:58:37,728 --> 00:58:42,539
Thank you.

841
00:58:42,539 --> 00:58:43,982
Oh,

842
00:58:43,982 --> 00:58:49,274
Miss Green.

843
00:58:49,274 --> 00:58:56,707
Commissioner Green. If Doug wants to speak
before I do, that's fine.

844
00:58:57,176 --> 00:59:02,835
My concern is that we do something with
this plan because in the past it's been

845
00:59:02,835 --> 00:59:03,050
this plan because in the past it's been
put

846
00:59:03,050 --> 00:59:06,919
on a shelf. And there's never any
discussion about it.

847
00:59:06,919 --> 00:59:12,721
We need to put this in front of admin and
let's have discussions on some of these

848
00:59:12,721 --> 00:59:17,736
topics that have been brought up or
concerns. We just can't shelve it.

849
00:59:17,736 --> 00:59:19,025
That's my comment.

850
00:59:19,025 --> 00:59:21,419
All right. Doug.

851
00:59:21,419 --> 00:59:24,601
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Bill.

852
00:59:24,601 --> 00:59:30,546
So, yeah, as I stated at the Budget
Committee meeting, this is a start,

853
00:59:30,546 --> 00:59:36,742
and additionally, you know, these are some
long-term goals that, you know,

854
00:59:36,742 --> 00:59:41,850
we want to establish as a community and
then gain more input.

855
00:59:41,850 --> 00:59:45,785
So, this plan should not be looked at as,
yeah,

856
00:59:45,785 --> 00:59:52,484
this is Murray County's financial plan and
it's not going to change for 5 years.

857
00:59:52,484 --> 00:59:57,675
This is a plan that needs worked on right
after we approve it.

858
00:59:57,675 --> 00:59:57,899
Right.

859
00:59:58,236 --> 01:00:03,058
And so input from the County Commission,
an updated questionnaire,

860
01:00:03,058 --> 01:00:07,808
strategic goals that have things that are
SMART goals, basically.

861
01:00:07,808 --> 01:00:13,288
They give timelines. They show more than
just the tactics that are in here.

862
01:00:13,288 --> 01:00:19,352
Those are improvements that can be made to
this plan and will be made to this plan,

863
01:00:19,352 --> 01:00:22,933
along with gathering input from department
heads,

864
01:00:22,933 --> 01:00:27,171
different types of input than the
questionnaires provided.

865
01:00:27,171 --> 01:00:32,285
And in Bringing in more community input on
it as well as our citizens.

866
01:00:32,285 --> 01:00:36,523
So this is just, as it was stated in the
Budget Committee,

867
01:00:36,523 --> 01:00:42,003
this is a first step and something that we
didn't have to pay $211,000 for,

868
01:00:42,003 --> 01:00:47,337
which is what we were quoted. So we can
start from here and move forward.

869
01:00:47,337 --> 01:00:53,036
Additionally, if there were questions
between when it was presented and today,

870
01:00:53,036 --> 01:00:55,009
I was happy to answer them.

871
01:00:55,009 --> 01:00:55,265
Thank you.

872
01:00:55,706 --> 01:00:58,623
And I'm happy to answer them after this
point too, Mr. Chairman.

873
01:00:58,961 --> 01:00:59,267
All right.

874
01:00:59,429 --> 01:00:59,848
And thank you all.

875
01:00:59,848 --> 01:01:04,836
Commissioner Ronsberger. I reckon this is
a question for the attorney, Mark.

876
01:01:06,043 --> 01:01:06,157
Okay.

877
01:01:06,206 --> 01:01:07,779
If we pass this, any,

878
01:01:07,779 --> 01:01:13,549
any committee can bring it up and make any
additions or corrections, correct?

879
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:18,119
Additions, subtractions, whatever we need
to do to it, right?

880
01:01:18,119 --> 01:01:21,138
That's correct. Thank you. Yeah, it's—
yes, sir.

881
01:01:21,138 --> 01:01:24,723
And it's a very— it is a It's a, it's a
set of— it's, uh,

882
01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:28,057
it's very open-ended in what it does, and
it doesn't,

883
01:01:28,057 --> 01:01:33,026
it doesn't prohibit this committee or from
any committee enacting it, you know,

884
01:01:33,026 --> 01:01:37,555
in via resolution or changing the policy
at any time. I appreciate that.

885
01:01:37,763 --> 01:01:40,153
Any further discussion? Commissioner
Sumners.

886
01:01:40,153 --> 01:01:41,434
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

887
01:01:41,434 --> 01:01:45,704
You know what we, what we talked about at
the Budget Committee meeting the other

888
01:01:45,704 --> 01:01:49,975
night, Doug, you can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I may have even brought it up,

889
01:01:49,975 --> 01:01:53,872
but we would, we would be revisiting this
before budget season starts and

890
01:01:53,872 --> 01:01:57,234
potentially as early every year, as early
as October, November,

891
01:01:57,234 --> 01:02:01,185
because we don't meet in December. I
believe I actually— It was discussed.

892
01:02:01,185 --> 01:02:02,092
It was discussed.

893
01:02:02,156 --> 01:02:04,050
So every year, I mean,

894
01:02:04,050 --> 01:02:10,506
we will be revisiting this plan and even
throughout the year if we need to,

895
01:02:10,506 --> 01:02:15,241
for sure. But we definitely will be
meeting— excuse me,

896
01:02:15,241 --> 01:02:20,234
revisiting this every year for budgetary
purposes as well,

897
01:02:20,234 --> 01:02:26,862
because it does coincide with some
monetary items as well as how we budget in

898
01:02:26,862 --> 01:02:27,120
monetary items as well as how we budget in
the

899
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:33,060
future and right now, too. So, you know,
there's really no rush here.

900
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,049
We're—

901
01:02:34,821 --> 01:02:35,400
it's a—

902
01:02:35,625 --> 01:02:40,732
like Mr. Romesburg said, it's a living,
breathing document here.

903
01:02:40,732 --> 01:02:42,408
So, we, you know, we—

904
01:02:42,408 --> 01:02:44,915
I feel pretty confident we're going to,
you know,

905
01:02:44,915 --> 01:02:48,037
address other issues that need to be
addressed that's not in—

906
01:02:48,248 --> 01:02:50,623
that's not necessarily in the plan.

907
01:02:50,623 --> 01:02:52,455
So we'll take care of that,

908
01:02:52,455 --> 01:02:57,815
and we'll have year-end discussions on
what we were able to accomplish and what

909
01:02:57,815 --> 01:02:57,951
what we were able to accomplish and what
we

910
01:02:57,951 --> 01:03:03,583
weren't able to accomplish and what needs
to be pushed another year or 2 or however

911
01:03:03,583 --> 01:03:06,500
the funding for those types of things
goes.

912
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:11,725
So we'll be able to do all those types of
things for sure. But thank you, Mr.

913
01:03:11,822 --> 01:03:14,024
Chairman, for letting me speak one more
time. I appreciate that.

914
01:03:14,024 --> 01:03:15,206
Commissioner Markham.

915
01:03:15,206 --> 01:03:19,334
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

916
01:03:21,208 --> 01:03:25,666
My thoughts are ethics and integrity are
core values.

917
01:03:25,666 --> 01:03:31,217
The strategic plan is more of a vision and
a plan of how to get to

918
01:03:31,217 --> 01:03:36,600
that vision, but we should all have ethics
and integrity as part

919
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:37,609
of our core.

920
01:03:38,424 --> 01:03:39,372
That's all I want to say.

921
01:03:39,468 --> 01:03:45,703
Thank you. All right. Any other
discussion? Commissioner Barnes?

922
01:03:45,703 --> 01:03:47,395
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

923
01:03:47,395 --> 01:03:52,963
I agree a lot with a lot of the comments
that have been said here tonight about

924
01:03:52,963 --> 01:03:53,245
that have been said here tonight about
this

925
01:03:53,245 --> 01:03:59,026
specific subject, and one that stands out
to me is Commissioner Green and the term

926
01:03:59,026 --> 01:04:00,083
using shelving.

927
01:04:01,224 --> 01:04:01,658
I agree.

928
01:04:02,863 --> 01:04:08,800
If this is shelved, It really keeps us in
a stagnant nature of moving forward to a

929
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:14,012
more evolving document that this
commission can use and that this county

930
01:04:14,012 --> 01:04:14,809
commission can use and that this county
can look at

931
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:16,257
as a strategic plan.

932
01:04:16,257 --> 01:04:22,338
Moving forward also helps us in an ending
document of ethics where we can change and

933
01:04:22,338 --> 01:04:27,044
move towards something that we can all
understand is a direction.

934
01:04:27,044 --> 01:04:32,474
And I agree, a lot of questions I think
need to be asked of what's on those

935
01:04:32,474 --> 01:04:38,121
questionnaires. I've gone through those
questionnaires, I've read them myself.

936
01:04:38,121 --> 01:04:43,623
Some of the answers may have been
confusing or may have not aligned with the

937
01:04:43,623 --> 01:04:44,130
confusing or may have not aligned with the
answers

938
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:47,460
of a previous question, but one thing is
sure,

939
01:04:47,460 --> 01:04:51,515
a lot of work and a lot of time has been
put into those,

940
01:04:51,515 --> 01:04:56,293
and real change doesn't necessarily come
from holding things back.

941
01:04:56,293 --> 01:05:02,085
Sometimes it comes from moving things
forward to make sure that the right change

942
01:05:02,085 --> 01:05:03,967
occurs. That's my 2 cents.

943
01:05:03,967 --> 01:05:05,894
Thank you. Doug?

944
01:05:05,894 --> 01:05:09,443
Thank you for indulging me one more time,
Mr. Chairman.

945
01:05:09,443 --> 01:05:11,573
This is the last time I'll speak.

946
01:05:11,573 --> 01:05:16,478
The important part of this plan is also
the monitoring and assessment of it.

947
01:05:16,478 --> 01:05:21,834
So really, the plan would be this fall to
further develop it so that it's ready for

948
01:05:21,834 --> 01:05:27,062
budget. And then monitor and assess our
performance against what we've built over

949
01:05:27,062 --> 01:05:28,610
the year after that, um,

950
01:05:28,610 --> 01:05:33,386
and continuously kind of take a look at
that as we develop and improve our

951
01:05:33,386 --> 01:05:33,902
that as we develop and improve our
metrics.

952
01:05:33,902 --> 01:05:39,259
So, um, if it sits on a shelf and no one
looks at it and nobody works towards those

953
01:05:39,259 --> 01:05:43,454
goals, failure. If we don't monitor and
assess where we are as a,

954
01:05:43,454 --> 01:05:46,487
as a group and make changes and adapt,
failure.

955
01:05:46,487 --> 01:05:51,585
But, um, one of the things that I think is
best about this strategic plan is it

956
01:05:51,585 --> 01:05:53,521
didn't come from a consultant.

957
01:05:53,521 --> 01:05:53,745
Right.

958
01:05:54,083 --> 01:05:58,513
Out of Alabama. It didn't come from a
consultant out of New York.

959
01:05:58,513 --> 01:06:03,760
It came from the the team that works and
lives in it every day, and you know,

960
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,599
and that's that's the starting point, and
everybody was invested in it.

961
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:12,142
When we tried using a consultant before, I
was like,

962
01:06:12,142 --> 01:06:14,936
this person's coming in asking questions.

963
01:06:14,936 --> 01:06:20,252
I have to teach them first what the
sheriff's department does before we get an

964
01:06:20,252 --> 01:06:22,501
actual usable document, and then.

965
01:06:22,501 --> 01:06:26,794
Like Commissioner Green had said, it sits
on a shelf somewhere.

966
01:06:26,794 --> 01:06:31,769
So I think this is an organic start to it
and it gets everybody's buy-in.

967
01:06:31,769 --> 01:06:33,132
And I can't wait to—

968
01:06:33,132 --> 01:06:38,311
from a department head level and then this
fall from everybody else's level.

969
01:06:38,311 --> 01:06:42,877
So I'm excited about what it could be and
to keep the ball rolling.

970
01:06:42,877 --> 01:06:46,837
Okay. Any— Commissioner Stovall? Thank
you, Mr. Chairman.

971
01:06:46,837 --> 01:06:50,936
I spoke more tonight than I have in 16
years, but I'm just—

972
01:06:50,936 --> 01:06:55,187
I'm going to be done. Um, I think it's a
good plan to move forward.

973
01:06:55,187 --> 01:06:57,535
We can always make changes to it and,

974
01:06:57,535 --> 01:07:01,279
and address the issues that everybody have
about this plan.

975
01:07:01,279 --> 01:07:06,228
But like, if we send this back, what's
going to happen is going to end up bam,

976
01:07:06,228 --> 01:07:06,545
going to happen is going to end up bam,
gone,

977
01:07:06,545 --> 01:07:10,987
and we ain't going to have anything. So I
say we just move it forward.

978
01:07:11,067 --> 01:07:13,582
Thank you, Chairman.

979
01:07:13,582 --> 01:07:17,857
All right, any further discussion?

980
01:07:17,857 --> 01:07:23,264
Seeing none, we'll vote. Commissioner
Baul.

981
01:07:23,264 --> 01:07:28,545
Yes, sir. I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman.

982
01:07:29,622 --> 01:07:32,232
I've reviewed this proposal really close.

983
01:07:32,232 --> 01:07:35,797
Lots of work put into it, and I think it's
a great plan.

984
01:07:36,575 --> 01:07:42,667
But I do have a concern about urgency as
far as the technology goes.

985
01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:46,878
Throughout the document and the
questionnaires,

986
01:07:46,878 --> 01:07:50,641
it's over and over again about technology,

987
01:07:50,641 --> 01:07:56,195
the need to review and to revise and to
upgrade and modernize.

988
01:07:56,195 --> 01:08:00,406
And I know that's something that the, you
know,

989
01:08:00,406 --> 01:08:03,721
the bad guys are all over technology.

990
01:08:03,721 --> 01:08:08,648
And this is something that I hope that we
will address.

991
01:08:08,648 --> 01:08:08,889
Thank you.

992
01:08:09,488 --> 01:08:16,362
That, I guess that would probably be the
admin committee that would address the

993
01:08:16,362 --> 01:08:23,497
technology, but the part about needing new
technology and needing to address it is

994
01:08:23,497 --> 01:08:29,937
very clear, so I'd just like to make that
a point. Any further discussion?

995
01:08:29,937 --> 01:08:39,164
Seeing none, we'll vote.

996
01:08:42,164 --> 01:08:44,039
20 ayes, 2 nos.

997
01:08:44,039 --> 01:08:46,464
That passes with 20 ayes and 2 nos.

998
01:08:46,464 --> 01:09:07,522
We're going to take a short break, be back
in here at 8:10. So thank you.

999
01:09:51,780 --> 01:09:58,829
That's why I said I couldn't walk

1000
01:09:58,829 --> 01:10:03,315
around. That's right.

1001
01:10:03,315 --> 01:10:09,510
Remember when we used to have

1002
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:13,142
24-hour Walmarts?

1003
01:10:13,272 --> 01:10:20,424
Those were

1004
01:10:20,424 --> 01:10:26,862
the days.

1005
01:10:26,862 --> 01:10:32,584
Call for

1006
01:10:32,584 --> 01:10:39,736
questions.

1007
01:10:39,833 --> 01:10:41,855
Hey, do you want me to speak less from the
podium?

1008
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:45,441
You don't speak much.

1009
01:10:45,441 --> 01:10:48,015
I try to only speak when I need to.

1010
01:10:48,015 --> 01:10:51,360
Gary's right, he tickled me this morning.

1011
01:10:51,521 --> 01:10:52,727
I spoke for 16 minutes.

1012
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:57,459
Yeah,

1013
01:10:57,459 --> 01:11:06,166
I'm gonna tell

1014
01:11:06,166 --> 01:11:13,006
that to the

1015
01:11:13,006 --> 01:11:16,738
media.

1016
01:11:16,738 --> 01:11:25,444
You're the new

1017
01:11:25,444 --> 01:11:29,175
woman.

1018
01:11:29,175 --> 01:11:37,260
That's what I

1019
01:11:37,260 --> 01:11:44,722
was going to

1020
01:11:44,722 --> 01:11:47,210
ask.

1021
01:11:47,210 --> 01:11:49,840
Would it change anything?

1022
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:57,987
I think it's

1023
01:11:57,987 --> 01:12:04,776
a question

1024
01:12:04,776 --> 01:12:08,170
Well,

1025
01:12:08,170 --> 01:12:16,317
I think Mark

1026
01:12:16,317 --> 01:12:22,427
will tell

1027
01:12:22,427 --> 01:12:25,142
you,

1028
01:12:25,142 --> 01:12:33,968
our attorney,

1029
01:12:33,968 --> 01:12:40,757
that if it

1030
01:12:40,757 --> 01:12:48,903
was going to

1031
01:12:48,903 --> 01:12:52,977
change

1032
01:12:52,977 --> 01:12:59,087
anything,

1033
01:12:59,087 --> 01:13:07,912
you know, uh,

1034
01:13:07,912 --> 01:13:15,380
Yes, ma'am.

1035
01:13:15,380 --> 01:13:22,638
She wants to put something

1036
01:13:22,638 --> 01:13:29,338
in. That's a first in my

1037
01:13:29,338 --> 01:13:35,479
life. How's everything

1038
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:42,737
going? It's going. Lots of

1039
01:13:42,737 --> 01:13:49,437
stuff. I've been telling

1040
01:13:49,437 --> 01:13:56,416
everybody about the trap,

1041
01:13:56,416 --> 01:14:03,674
uh, release with the cats.

1042
01:14:03,850 --> 01:14:03,931
Good.

1043
01:14:04,429 --> 01:14:10,118
I've been trying to get the word out.
Good. I appreciate that.

1044
01:14:10,118 --> 01:14:14,523
That's what our little, uh, resumption is
about,

1045
01:14:14,523 --> 01:14:20,947
because if they've never experienced a
cat— Once you see a cat colony,

1046
01:14:20,947 --> 01:14:23,608
you know it's like the worst.

1047
01:14:23,608 --> 01:14:30,582
I had a cat this morning I had to
euthanize that ate We need to test that if

1048
01:14:30,582 --> 01:14:37,831
somebody speaks right in here, can— yeah,
it is. Yeah, I mean, can you hear me?

1049
01:14:37,831 --> 01:14:41,410
Yeah, they can hear all over this room.

1050
01:14:41,410 --> 01:14:47,467
And we're gonna have to tell people to
speak into that microphone.

1051
01:14:47,467 --> 01:14:53,248
I mean, if we turned it that way and
people spoke into the mic.

1052
01:14:53,248 --> 01:14:59,947
So who up here can say that? I'm going to
if I have to. The chair should.

1053
01:14:59,947 --> 01:15:02,057
The chair should, yeah.

1054
01:15:02,057 --> 01:15:08,848
I worked in IT in my past before I moved
back to Murray County. One of us.

1055
01:15:08,848 --> 01:15:16,189
If I had hired somebody in a different
position after they quit in the middle of

1056
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:16,281
position after they quit in the middle of
a

1057
01:15:16,281 --> 01:15:23,989
big project, they would have hired someone
else. Because it's mine. I'm just saying.

1058
01:15:23,989 --> 01:15:26,742
That's just That's my 2 cents.

1059
01:15:26,742 --> 01:15:34,359
But, well, I don't know because he didn't—
I mean, like, I guess, but I just don't—

1060
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:38,029
I think if he wanted them, I don't know.

1061
01:15:38,029 --> 01:15:45,462
I just don't— I know I would have been
fired at my job and I've had— that's just—

1062
01:15:45,462 --> 01:15:48,582
and I just hate to feel like that.

1063
01:15:48,582 --> 01:15:54,180
But that, that just— that's the only
decision that alarms me,

1064
01:15:54,180 --> 01:16:01,521
and that's only because I worked in a job
where they scrutinized your moves like

1065
01:16:01,521 --> 01:16:05,008
that. I guess I just have a hard time.

1066
01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:05,476
We can—

1067
01:16:05,476 --> 01:16:10,406
but yeah, I love you no matter— we're
gonna disagree. We disagreed.

1068
01:16:10,406 --> 01:16:15,925
I love you no matter what, but I just— it
concerns me that That particular—

1069
01:16:15,925 --> 01:16:19,604
and I'm only saying that because I
remember, like,

1070
01:16:19,604 --> 01:16:24,092
in my corporate job where people were
like, what in the heck?

1071
01:16:24,092 --> 01:16:28,286
Like, you know, I've made decisions and
people were like,

1072
01:16:28,286 --> 01:16:30,862
what in the heck were you thinking?

1073
01:16:30,862 --> 01:16:36,748
Yeah, well, in art, like, we can— No, I
think I'm just more concerned with like,

1074
01:16:36,748 --> 01:16:38,809
well, like why even have it?

1075
01:16:38,809 --> 01:16:44,769
Like the reliability of the timing of it
quitting after that whole debacle, that,

1076
01:16:44,769 --> 01:16:47,786
that there's just the timing of the quit.

1077
01:16:47,786 --> 01:16:51,759
Like, but other than that, I think
everything's great.

1078
01:16:51,759 --> 01:16:56,395
But that was just really like the time.
And he's a nice person.

1079
01:16:56,395 --> 01:16:59,559
I don't have a problem with him
personally.

1080
01:16:59,559 --> 01:17:01,913
I just, I know like in my, like,

1081
01:17:01,913 --> 01:17:06,328
but whenever I've had jobs and I've I made
a weird decision.

1082
01:17:06,328 --> 01:17:09,051
It was just like, no, like, you know,

1083
01:17:09,051 --> 01:17:14,864
people like were hard on me about it just
because of the timing of it, I guess.

1084
01:17:14,864 --> 01:17:34,837
But I'm like, I don't know. But I'm also
not a Taurus.

1085
01:22:16,765 --> 01:22:19,957
Not just county government, but also the
people that reside here.

1086
01:22:19,957 --> 01:22:22,706
There was some language that, that I had
spoken with Mr.

1087
01:22:22,706 --> 01:22:25,849
Dobies about, and he's done such a good
job in researching this,

1088
01:22:25,849 --> 01:22:29,728
and I just have to applaud the hard work
that he's put in because it's a lot of

1089
01:22:29,728 --> 01:22:29,924
that he's put in because it's a lot of
time

1090
01:22:29,924 --> 01:22:32,625
that he spent looking at these things with
some of the,

1091
01:22:32,625 --> 01:22:36,750
the questions that would come up with the
6th Circuit Court rulings that we have and

1092
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:38,812
those type of things. But I'd like for Mr.

1093
01:22:38,812 --> 01:22:51,403
Dobies to, to read over what he's amended
the document to.

1094
01:22:54,403 --> 01:22:57,579
I have a motion and a second. So you're
asking him a question?

1095
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,653
Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.

1096
01:23:01,653 --> 01:23:05,934
So as discussed, I talked with
Commissioner Barnes at length about it,

1097
01:23:05,934 --> 01:23:10,887
and he expressed support and then also
some concerns for privately owned animals,

1098
01:23:10,887 --> 01:23:12,722
basically. So the TNR program,

1099
01:23:12,722 --> 01:23:17,614
as Kim can state far more eloquently than
me with a lot more education, is it's,

1100
01:23:17,614 --> 01:23:21,589
it's about making, making sure that
overpopulation is controlled.

1101
01:23:21,589 --> 01:23:26,542
It's an immense burden on Murray County
resources, and these, these poor animals,

1102
01:23:26,542 --> 01:23:31,251
as was described in public comment, are
often subject to a lot of either, you

1103
01:23:31,251 --> 01:23:31,556
often subject to a lot of either, you
know,

1104
01:23:31,556 --> 01:23:35,287
mistreatment or malnourishment and all
these sorts of things,

1105
01:23:35,287 --> 01:23:39,751
it becomes a huge problem. TNR is a
basically ubiquitous thing statewide.

1106
01:23:39,751 --> 01:23:44,276
It's very successful in other counties,
and I think it's wise and prudent.

1107
01:23:44,276 --> 01:23:46,783
Of course, it's up to this body to adopt.

1108
01:23:46,783 --> 01:23:49,352
That said, I spoke to Commissioner Barnes,

1109
01:23:49,352 --> 01:23:54,305
and then there are others who expressed
concerns as well to make sure that people

1110
01:23:54,305 --> 01:23:58,953
who owned animals weren't subject to TNR
if they didn't want that to happen.

1111
01:23:58,953 --> 01:24:03,233
Basically, let's say they have an animal
and, you know, by accident or

1112
01:24:03,233 --> 01:24:04,028
and, you know, by accident or
happenstance,

1113
01:24:04,028 --> 01:24:08,920
the animal gets picked up and the owner
doesn't want that animal to be spayed or

1114
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:12,651
neutered, then that's their right. It's
their private animal.

1115
01:24:12,651 --> 01:24:16,748
So what we did, and I spoke with Kim, of
course, too, as, you know,

1116
01:24:16,748 --> 01:24:18,888
the head on this of the department,

1117
01:24:18,888 --> 01:24:23,842
and Kim and I have worked together on a
myriad of things and This is probably the

1118
01:24:23,842 --> 01:24:28,611
biggest one we've worked on. Basically
what I added, you know, pursuant to Mr.

1119
01:24:28,611 --> 01:24:33,076
Barnes' recommendations, were these
protections for these privately owned

1120
01:24:33,076 --> 01:24:33,565
protections for these privately owned
animals.

1121
01:24:33,565 --> 01:24:38,151
In short, there's no sterilization of
known privately owned animals without

1122
01:24:38,151 --> 01:24:42,738
authority. The owner has the right to
object in writing or verbally if they

1123
01:24:42,738 --> 01:24:43,043
object in writing or verbally if they
don't

1124
01:24:43,043 --> 01:24:47,630
want that to occur. There is also an
identification review before we do TNR

1125
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:50,504
processing. I also added pursuant to, you
know,

1126
01:24:50,504 --> 01:24:54,968
a couple minutes before this meeting
basically, a social media awareness.

1127
01:24:54,968 --> 01:24:58,209
And Kim can probably speak to this better
than I can.

1128
01:24:58,209 --> 01:25:03,163
There's already some interesting websites
where they put animals up there who are

1129
01:25:03,163 --> 01:25:05,792
already up for adoption. It's kind of
cool.

1130
01:25:05,792 --> 01:25:10,378
I didn't know they had like facial
recognition for dogs. It's kind of cool.

1131
01:25:10,378 --> 01:25:10,990
Please do.

1132
01:25:11,054 --> 01:25:15,980
Yeah. So one of the things is that we're
kind of getting caught in the weeds that

1133
01:25:15,980 --> 01:25:20,724
our standard procedure of animals coming
into our shelter is if they're overly

1134
01:25:20,724 --> 01:25:24,799
friendly, and it states right on our
trap-neuter-release forms now,

1135
01:25:24,799 --> 01:25:28,691
if an animal is friendly where it is going
to be subject to, um,

1136
01:25:28,691 --> 01:25:30,759
where it cannot be an outside cat,

1137
01:25:30,759 --> 01:25:33,982
we would automatically bring that in on a
stray hold.

1138
01:25:34,416 --> 01:25:37,354
If it has a collar, we would bring that in
on a stray hold.

1139
01:25:37,852 --> 01:25:40,569
Obviously, we would scan for a microchip.

1140
01:25:40,569 --> 01:25:44,347
When I sent out You know, the email to the
commissioners.

1141
01:25:44,347 --> 01:25:49,052
We had 1,589 cats that came in last year.
18 were reclaimed. That's 1%.

1142
01:25:49,052 --> 01:25:53,956
And the only reason they were reclaimed is
because they were microchipped.

1143
01:25:53,956 --> 01:25:56,673
So we're not looking to go out and, like,

1144
01:25:56,673 --> 01:25:59,722
take people's pets or anything of that
nature.

1145
01:25:59,722 --> 01:26:05,024
We're looking to solve a cat situation
because they can reproduce 4 to 5 times a

1146
01:26:05,024 --> 01:26:07,608
year. And I think that's a great point.

1147
01:26:07,608 --> 01:26:12,181
year, and it is a drain on taxpayer
resources. It also causes a burn.

1148
01:26:12,405 --> 01:26:14,553
It gets into people's—

1149
01:26:14,617 --> 01:26:17,009
into their homes, their foundations.

1150
01:26:17,009 --> 01:26:19,934
Today I was, you know, going to the
dentist,

1151
01:26:19,934 --> 01:26:22,991
and when you get out first thing this
morning,

1152
01:26:22,991 --> 01:26:26,579
all you can smell is the cats spraying in
the morning.

1153
01:26:26,579 --> 01:26:28,972
If you have not been on our website,

1154
01:26:28,972 --> 01:26:32,228
one of the things you should see is that
we have—

1155
01:26:32,437 --> 01:26:37,088
if you've lost or you found an animal to
go Petco Love Lost.

1156
01:26:37,457 --> 01:26:42,204
It has AI technology. Yes, I agree,
technology is all about it.

1157
01:26:42,204 --> 01:26:46,801
And if it recognizes someone in our
shelter on a daily basis,

1158
01:26:46,801 --> 01:26:50,719
that the picture comes up and somebody did
a report,

1159
01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:55,316
it emails me to get in contact with those
people immediately.

1160
01:26:55,316 --> 01:27:00,364
So, you know, if it's somebody's pet, they
should have vet records,

1161
01:27:00,364 --> 01:27:02,926
that it's vaccinated and so forth.

1162
01:27:02,926 --> 01:27:04,886
And, you know, really the,

1163
01:27:04,886 --> 01:27:10,462
the purpose of this program is to help the
strays and cut down population.

1164
01:27:10,462 --> 01:27:16,415
Williamson County has had this in effect
since 2019. It's very, very effective.

1165
01:27:16,415 --> 01:27:20,785
So if anybody else has any questions, I'm
happy to answer.

1166
01:27:20,785 --> 01:27:27,976
Commissioner Romesburg.

1167
01:27:30,976 --> 01:27:37,036
Did we amend this motion any way since it
came from the consent agenda?

1168
01:27:37,036 --> 01:27:40,451
Was there anything added to this motion?

1169
01:27:40,451 --> 01:27:43,865
Okay, wouldn't we need to amend it then?

1170
01:27:43,865 --> 01:27:48,490
Yes. Okay, Mr. Chairman, I move to amend
to the new,

1171
01:27:48,490 --> 01:27:51,159
new version of this amendment.

1172
01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:57,030
I have a motion to amend it to the new
version. Is there a second?

1173
01:27:57,030 --> 01:28:03,256
Seconded by Commissioner Barnes. Any
discussion? Commissioner Sumners.

1174
01:28:03,256 --> 01:28:05,668
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1175
01:28:05,764 --> 01:28:07,114
What does the amendment do?

1176
01:28:07,291 --> 01:28:09,745
I didn't get a chance to read the—

1177
01:28:09,955 --> 01:28:12,317
what is the amendment? Because I didn't
even hear it.

1178
01:28:14,122 --> 01:28:16,297
He sent an email, but he sent it like
right during the meeting.

1179
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,020
I'm not going to check my email during the
meeting.

1180
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:23,534
So what does the amendment do? Thank you,
Mr. Chairman.

1181
01:28:23,534 --> 01:28:26,669
Yeah, fair question, Commissioner Summers.

1182
01:28:26,669 --> 01:28:30,699
This was— we basically actioned this over
the weekend,

1183
01:28:30,699 --> 01:28:36,594
so forgive me for the timeline. I can read
what we have. What's the difference?

1184
01:28:36,594 --> 01:28:41,072
The difference is, and the only difference
is, in Section 4,

1185
01:28:41,072 --> 01:28:46,818
it provides protections for privately
owned animals to the to the pet owners.

1186
01:28:46,818 --> 01:28:49,968
Okay.

1187
01:28:49,968 --> 01:28:50,259
Yeah.

1188
01:28:51,564 --> 01:28:55,156
Like, well, so the things— some of the
things that I listed,

1189
01:28:55,156 --> 01:28:59,047
there's no sterilization without prior
authority from the owners.

1190
01:28:59,047 --> 01:29:02,579
There's— the owners may object, just
things of that nature.

1191
01:29:02,579 --> 01:29:05,154
I can read the language, whatever you
need.

1192
01:29:05,154 --> 01:29:08,925
I mean, there's an identification review
before TNR processing,

1193
01:29:08,925 --> 01:29:10,662
which wasn't in there before.

1194
01:29:10,662 --> 01:29:14,792
The social media awareness requirement,
which wasn't in there before.

1195
01:29:14,792 --> 01:29:17,187
There's a holding and redemption period.

1196
01:29:17,187 --> 01:29:21,075
Which should be 3 days, because that's the
straight law, 3 days.

1197
01:29:21,075 --> 01:29:26,328
Yeah, the current language is 7, based on
what I was— 5 days for records of family.

1198
01:29:26,328 --> 01:29:30,631
Yeah, and that can be debated for, you
know, what we need to change.

1199
01:29:30,631 --> 01:29:34,871
But there's a written protocol section,
and then there's, you know,

1200
01:29:34,871 --> 01:29:38,542
protects the waiver of lawful enforcement,
like, you know,

1201
01:29:38,542 --> 01:29:43,668
So it's just strictly in there to make
sure that TNR doesn't go beyond the bounds

1202
01:29:43,668 --> 01:29:47,022
and start to infringe on people's private
pet rights.

1203
01:29:47,022 --> 01:29:53,752
Okay. So are you okay with this amendment?

1204
01:29:53,752 --> 01:29:57,909
I mean, the whole point of the red—

1205
01:30:00,909 --> 01:30:04,563
we have been doing TNR for, you know,
forever.

1206
01:30:04,563 --> 01:30:10,681
But this just sums up and puts into
writing what has actually been happening,

1207
01:30:10,681 --> 01:30:16,003
and it actually covers Murray County by
having checks and balances.

1208
01:30:16,003 --> 01:30:22,200
I mean, the language that is added does
not change it because it's really just

1209
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:22,518
not change it because it's really just
what

1210
01:30:22,518 --> 01:30:24,027
we do anyway. It's—

1211
01:30:24,544 --> 01:30:24,802
and we—

1212
01:30:24,963 --> 01:30:25,351
if we—

1213
01:30:25,432 --> 01:30:29,048
again, if we had a cat with a collar, it
would be held on a stray hold.

1214
01:30:29,765 --> 01:30:32,189
If we had an animal that's chipped,

1215
01:30:32,189 --> 01:30:36,275
it would be held for 5 days because that's
what the law is.

1216
01:30:36,275 --> 01:30:39,876
And if we had an animal that seemed overly
friendly,

1217
01:30:39,876 --> 01:30:45,554
we would hold it on a stray hold and then
just fix it in 3 days versus right away.

1218
01:30:45,554 --> 01:30:48,047
Is this amendment going to, I guess,

1219
01:30:48,047 --> 01:30:52,964
prevent you from doing your job in a
timely manner? I can work with it.

1220
01:30:52,964 --> 01:30:56,496
It's not ideal, but I mean, I'd rather see
it pass.

1221
01:30:56,496 --> 01:30:58,887
Okay, then tell us why it's not ideal for
you.

1222
01:30:58,887 --> 01:31:03,632
Because majority of the time, the animals
that come in are not friendly.

1223
01:31:03,632 --> 01:31:06,070
They're coming in traps for a reason.

1224
01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:11,145
The whole purpose of the TNR is to trap,
neuter, and release it out that day.

1225
01:31:11,145 --> 01:31:16,153
But again, we have provisions, and if, you
know, the language helps it pass,

1226
01:31:16,153 --> 01:31:19,712
it works for me because we would have did
that anyway.

1227
01:31:19,712 --> 01:31:24,786
Okay, so it does— it does— it will be
okay? It will be okay. All right, thank

1228
01:31:24,786 --> 01:31:25,050
okay? It will be okay. All right, thank
you.

1229
01:31:25,050 --> 01:31:30,600
Any other discussion on the amendment?

1230
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:36,588
Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment.

1231
01:31:36,588 --> 01:31:37,902
I didn't—

1232
01:31:38,033 --> 01:31:39,193
we didn't get a second.

1233
01:31:39,193 --> 01:31:44,644
Did we not get a— can I get a second?

1234
01:31:44,644 --> 01:31:49,801
Commissioner Cohen. I think we did,

1235
01:31:49,801 --> 01:31:50,390
but—

1236
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:53,546
I don't know. Barnes did. That's true.

1237
01:31:53,546 --> 01:31:55,722
Was it Barnes or Coen?

1238
01:31:55,722 --> 01:32:01,769
Yeah, originally. Barnes made the motion.

1239
01:32:01,769 --> 01:32:03,758
Yeah, he did.

1240
01:32:03,758 --> 01:32:06,001
Barnes made the motion and Coen seconded
it.

1241
01:32:06,001 --> 01:32:09,055
Yes.

1242
01:32:09,055 --> 01:32:18,219
Commissioner

1243
01:32:18,219 --> 01:32:23,564
Morrow.

1244
01:32:23,902 --> 01:32:26,139
21 aye, 1 no.

1245
01:32:26,187 --> 01:32:31,739
All right. That's 21 in the affirmative
with 1 no. So the amendment passes.

1246
01:32:31,739 --> 01:32:37,810
So we'll now vote on the amendment— the
motion as amended. Any discussion on that?

1247
01:32:37,810 --> 01:32:39,587
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1248
01:32:39,587 --> 01:32:43,432
Please

1249
01:32:43,432 --> 01:32:46,637
vote.

1250
01:32:46,637 --> 01:32:51,764
22 ayes.

1251
01:32:51,764 --> 01:32:58,717
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
Uh, 09-2636, Mr. Dobies.

1252
01:32:58,717 --> 01:33:00,632
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1253
01:33:00,632 --> 01:33:07,016
Resolution 092636 is a resolution of the
Murray County Board of Commissioners to

1254
01:33:07,016 --> 01:33:11,166
amend the official zoning map rezoning
taps map 021,

1255
01:33:11,166 --> 01:33:17,549
parcel 052.00 and parcel 054.00 to include
a non-residential planned development

1256
01:33:17,549 --> 01:33:23,933
rural retreat commonly known as Snow Creek
Ranch containing approximately 245.29

1257
01:33:23,933 --> 01:33:24,412
acres.

1258
01:33:24,412 --> 01:33:27,071
I got a motion by Commissioner Combs,

1259
01:33:27,071 --> 01:33:29,658
seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.

1260
01:33:29,658 --> 01:33:34,330
Is there any discussion on this one? Is
there any public comment?

1261
01:33:34,330 --> 01:33:35,057
No.

1262
01:33:35,057 --> 01:33:36,446
No. We'll vote.

1263
01:33:36,446 --> 01:33:37,560
Please vote.

1264
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,773
Chad, you have a comment?

1265
01:33:41,773 --> 01:33:45,648
I had a question. Okay,

1266
01:33:45,648 --> 01:33:47,165
go ahead.

1267
01:33:47,165 --> 01:33:49,959
And the question was, have all the
stipulations been met?

1268
01:33:49,959 --> 01:34:09,488
Because they had a list of things that
they were supposed to accomplish.

1269
01:34:25,330 --> 01:34:26,536
Wayne, can you turn your mic on?

1270
01:34:26,536 --> 01:34:31,248
Testing. Oh, there it goes. Uh, Kelsey
McGee, T-Square Engineering.

1271
01:34:31,248 --> 01:34:36,944
I'm here representing the applicant for
this project, um, as the design engineer.

1272
01:34:36,944 --> 01:34:42,288
Um, so most of the items, um, that were
listed from Planning Commission, um,

1273
01:34:42,288 --> 01:34:45,805
have either been addressed either in
conversation,

1274
01:34:45,805 --> 01:34:51,149
or many of them are just by nature going
to be addressed in the construction

1275
01:34:51,149 --> 01:34:56,564
process. And the development of the
construction document and design process.

1276
01:34:56,564 --> 01:35:01,416
And they will align with the regulations
in place here in the county.

1277
01:35:01,416 --> 01:35:07,042
And there have been some conversations
with staff to ensure that they are met in

1278
01:35:07,042 --> 01:35:10,488
hand with what is reasonable for the
development,

1279
01:35:10,488 --> 01:35:16,184
such as the pond specifically and fire
protection standards that we are certainly

1280
01:35:16,184 --> 01:35:20,966
going to abide by as well and thoroughly
as we can for the property.

1281
01:35:20,966 --> 01:35:27,413
Is that it, Commissioner Green?
Commissioner Romesburg.

1282
01:35:27,413 --> 01:35:28,917
I've—

1283
01:35:29,095 --> 01:35:30,827
when I read it, I noticed you had—

1284
01:35:30,827 --> 01:35:34,903
you put in for a helipad up there where in
case for an emergency where you could

1285
01:35:34,903 --> 01:35:35,769
land life flight.

1286
01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:36,525
Am I correct?

1287
01:35:36,525 --> 01:35:39,096
Um, I believe so. Yes, sir.

1288
01:35:39,096 --> 01:35:42,239
Well, my question is up—

1289
01:35:42,405 --> 01:35:44,033
and this is going to be around Santa Fe,
correct?

1290
01:35:45,273 --> 01:35:45,999
Yes, sir. Okay.

1291
01:35:46,629 --> 01:35:48,875
I was with Civil Defense and real fire for
years.

1292
01:35:49,214 --> 01:35:51,717
Landing a helicopter in Santa Fe is rough.

1293
01:35:51,814 --> 01:35:56,920
Would it be possible for our EMS and our
county fire to use that helipad for other

1294
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:57,667
emergencies?

1295
01:35:57,667 --> 01:36:01,796
I don't want to speak on behalf of the
clients,

1296
01:36:01,796 --> 01:36:06,188
but I am getting a not affirmative that
that would

1297
01:36:06,188 --> 01:36:06,452
be—

1298
01:36:06,452 --> 01:36:09,989
As long as there's a chance we could use
it. I just had that question.

1299
01:36:09,989 --> 01:36:10,797
I appreciate it.

1300
01:36:10,866 --> 01:36:15,527
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No other
discussion? All right.

1301
01:36:15,527 --> 01:36:20,521
So we— I think we've already voted, but if
you hadn't voted,

1302
01:36:20,521 --> 01:36:32,780
go ahead and vote.

1303
01:36:35,780 --> 01:36:37,440
20 aye, 2 no.

1304
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:42,044
That passes with 20 in the affirmative
with

1305
01:36:42,044 --> 01:36:46,540
2 no. All right, 09-2637, Attorney Dobies.

1306
01:36:46,540 --> 01:36:51,729
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Resolution
09-2637 is Daryl W. and Beverly A.

1307
01:36:51,729 --> 01:36:54,917
Mazeline— apologies if I butcher your
name—

1308
01:36:54,917 --> 01:37:00,550
rezoning of approximately 15 acres of
property located at 2626 Double Branch

1309
01:37:00,550 --> 01:37:00,921
property located at 2626 Double Branch
Road,

1310
01:37:00,921 --> 01:37:02,848
Columbia, Tennessee 38401,

1311
01:37:02,848 --> 01:37:08,408
from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.

1312
01:37:08,408 --> 01:37:13,449
Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 067, Parcel 011.00.

1313
01:37:13,449 --> 01:37:17,905
I have a motion by Commissioner Sumners,

1314
01:37:17,905 --> 01:37:21,359
seconded by Commissioner Green.

1315
01:37:21,359 --> 01:37:30,470
Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1316
01:37:33,470 --> 01:37:35,890
Vote. 22 aye.

1317
01:37:35,890 --> 01:37:41,270
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092638, Mr. Dobbs.

1318
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:45,840
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092638 is, uh,
Teresa F. Sparks, Jonathan E.

1319
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,556
Sparks, Jonathan D. Sparks, and Lauren E.

1320
01:37:48,556 --> 01:37:53,722
Sparks, uh, rezoning of approximately
17.40 acres of property located at 3090E

1321
01:37:53,722 --> 01:37:56,504
Sheepneck Road, Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

1322
01:37:56,504 --> 01:38:01,471
from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.

1323
01:38:01,471 --> 01:38:05,975
Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.00.

1324
01:38:05,975 --> 01:38:10,086
I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,

1325
01:38:10,086 --> 01:38:17,074
seconded by Commissioner Green. Is there
any discussion on this one?

1326
01:38:17,074 --> 01:38:21,185
Public comment? Seeing none, we'll vote.

1327
01:38:21,185 --> 01:38:27,249
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092639, Mr. Dobies.

1328
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,045
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1329
01:38:29,045 --> 01:38:34,396
092639 is Sheepneck Valley LLC rezoning of
approximately 94.57 acres of property

1330
01:38:34,396 --> 01:38:38,609
located at 3083 East Sheepneck Road,
Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

1331
01:38:38,609 --> 01:38:43,425
from Residential General District to
Agricultural Preservation District.

1332
01:38:43,425 --> 01:38:48,240
The property is further identified as
County Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.01.

1333
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:52,353
I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,

1334
01:38:52,353 --> 01:38:55,622
seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

1335
01:38:55,622 --> 01:39:02,055
Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1336
01:39:02,055 --> 01:39:08,172
Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092640,
Attorney Dobbs.

1337
01:39:08,172 --> 01:39:09,847
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1338
01:39:09,847 --> 01:39:15,361
092640 is 2021 Sparks Community Property
Trust rezoning of approximately 105.28

1339
01:39:15,361 --> 01:39:20,946
acres of property located at 3192 East
Sheepneck Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,

1340
01:39:20,946 --> 01:39:26,181
from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.

1341
01:39:26,181 --> 01:39:30,927
Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 182, Parcel 004.02.

1342
01:39:30,927 --> 01:39:34,720
I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,
seconded by Commissioner Green.

1343
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:36,643
Is there any discussion on this one?

1344
01:39:36,643 --> 01:39:37,012
No.

1345
01:39:37,012 --> 01:39:38,811
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1346
01:39:38,811 --> 01:39:51,465
Please vote.

1347
01:39:54,465 --> 01:39:59,124
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092642, Attorney Dobies.

1348
01:39:59,124 --> 01:40:02,974
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092641—

1349
01:40:03,665 --> 01:40:06,799
41, excuse me.

1350
01:40:07,683 --> 01:40:10,573
Okay, Resolution 092641 is Mike Foster Uh,

1351
01:40:10,573 --> 01:40:16,077
rezoning of approximately 47.64 acres of
property located at 2691 East Sheepneck

1352
01:40:16,077 --> 01:40:18,210
Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,

1353
01:40:18,210 --> 01:40:23,301
from Residential General District to AP
Agriculture Preservation District.

1354
01:40:23,301 --> 01:40:27,980
Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 008.00.

1355
01:40:27,980 --> 01:40:32,273
I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Green.

1356
01:40:32,273 --> 01:40:35,910
Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1357
01:40:36,830 --> 01:40:37,060
Please vote.

1358
01:40:37,060 --> 01:40:42,354
That passes with 22 in the

1359
01:40:42,354 --> 01:40:47,242
affirmative. 092642, Mr.

1360
01:40:47,242 --> 01:40:48,667
Dobies.

1361
01:40:48,667 --> 01:40:50,182
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1362
01:40:50,182 --> 01:40:55,359
092642, Christopher Grambling, rezoning of
approximately 37 acres of property, uh,

1363
01:40:55,359 --> 01:40:59,336
located at 1001 East Sheepneck Road,
Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,

1364
01:40:59,336 --> 01:41:04,071
from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.

1365
01:41:04,071 --> 01:41:08,364
Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 022.00.

1366
01:41:08,364 --> 01:41:11,856
I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Cohen.

1367
01:41:11,856 --> 01:41:13,602
Is there any discussion on this one?

1368
01:41:13,602 --> 01:41:14,493
No.

1369
01:41:14,493 --> 01:41:16,468
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1370
01:41:16,468 --> 01:41:22,493
Please

1371
01:41:22,493 --> 01:41:27,514
vote.

1372
01:41:27,514 --> 01:41:34,544
22 aye.

1373
01:41:34,544 --> 01:41:42,106
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2643, Mr.— Attorney Dobies.

1374
01:41:42,106 --> 01:41:43,424
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1375
01:41:43,424 --> 01:41:47,377
Resolution 09-2643 is a resolution
approving the newly elected constable

1376
01:41:47,377 --> 01:41:47,706
approving the newly elected constable
bonds.

1377
01:41:47,706 --> 01:41:50,086
I have a motion by Commissioner Holt,

1378
01:41:50,086 --> 01:41:52,274
seconded by Commissioner Brothers.

1379
01:41:52,274 --> 01:41:56,198
Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.

1380
01:41:56,198 --> 01:42:02,288
Please vote. 22 ayes.

1381
01:42:02,288 --> 01:42:06,079
That passes with 22 in the affirmative.

1382
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:11,230
09-26-43, Attorney Dobies. That was, that
was pulled.

1383
01:42:11,230 --> 01:42:15,993
That was pulled. Okay. All right, public
comment.

1384
01:42:15,993 --> 01:42:21,242
Is there anyone who would like to make
public comment?

1385
01:42:21,242 --> 01:42:26,977
Come on up, sir. State your name and your
district, please.

1386
01:42:26,977 --> 01:42:29,752
Jordan Rowden, District 9. Nothing too
spicy.

1387
01:42:29,752 --> 01:42:34,007
I'd request for— on behalf of
commissioners and also on behalf of the

1388
01:42:34,007 --> 01:42:34,438
commissioners and also on behalf of the
public,

1389
01:42:34,438 --> 01:42:39,125
if at the beginning of the meetings when
we're giving the committee reports,

1390
01:42:39,125 --> 01:42:42,578
come on, a 30-second summary of what y'all
talked about.

1391
01:42:42,578 --> 01:42:46,216
That would help us It would help your
fellow commissioners,

1392
01:42:46,216 --> 01:42:51,272
because they may not have had time to look
at your notes and your and your minutes

1393
01:42:51,272 --> 01:42:54,047
and whatnot. Thirty seconds—not a lot to
ask.

1394
01:42:54,047 --> 01:42:58,240
There's a lot of technology that can help
you summarize transcripts.

1395
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:01,076
Super easy to do. That's all. That's all
that.

1396
01:43:01,076 --> 01:43:05,948
I would encourage the process in the
future when we're talking about voting for

1397
01:43:05,948 --> 01:43:10,449
nominees for various and sundry
appointments that they defaults to voting

1398
01:43:10,449 --> 01:43:12,731
individually. People are individuals.

1399
01:43:12,731 --> 01:43:16,739
People have different skill sets,
different experience, different

1400
01:43:16,739 --> 01:43:17,479
different experience, different
backgrounds.

1401
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:22,535
They're unique, and each deserves to know
individually where they sit with respect

1402
01:43:22,535 --> 01:43:25,803
to belief in their adequacy as nominees
for the role,

1403
01:43:25,803 --> 01:43:30,551
rather than wondering if they were voted
in due to riding on the coattails of

1404
01:43:30,551 --> 01:43:34,374
someone else who may have been a bit more
skilled and whatnot.

1405
01:43:34,374 --> 01:43:36,717
That was great that we did it tonight.

1406
01:43:36,717 --> 01:43:40,294
Honestly, I think y'all did a disservice
to Mr. Calderaro.

1407
01:43:40,294 --> 01:43:43,747
Um, there was— there's a specter of
negativity over him,

1408
01:43:43,747 --> 01:43:47,755
and rather than deferring and taking time
to investigate further,

1409
01:43:47,755 --> 01:43:52,688
you took 5 minutes, 10 minutes to kind of
poke at it, and then you move forward.

1410
01:43:52,688 --> 01:43:54,045
6 folks voted against.

1411
01:43:54,045 --> 01:43:57,744
Now you have somebody who's in the role
who has the specter,

1412
01:43:57,744 --> 01:44:00,519
both publicly and with you, of having
issues.

1413
01:44:00,519 --> 01:44:04,281
And those may not be even real issues, but
now he's got that.

1414
01:44:04,281 --> 01:44:07,179
That's not fair to him. Y'all did a
disservice.

1415
01:44:07,179 --> 01:44:10,139
Lastly, does anybody know what Tate
Township is?

1416
01:44:10,139 --> 01:44:12,728
Anybody know who that is or where that is?

1417
01:44:12,728 --> 01:44:14,517
Do y'all know we're spending—

1418
01:44:14,517 --> 01:44:18,710
we spent $250,000 on this consulting firm
to help with the planning,

1419
01:44:18,710 --> 01:44:23,026
the Regional Planning Commission, right,
with the whole land use plan?

1420
01:44:23,026 --> 01:44:27,712
The Phase 1 document that they shared,
that's one of their big deliverables,

1421
01:44:27,712 --> 01:44:29,809
it referenced Tate Township twice.

1422
01:44:29,809 --> 01:44:33,139
Not because, hey, let's, let's see what
they're doing,

1423
01:44:33,139 --> 01:44:37,763
but Because they copy-pasted or had
boilerplate or just used a template and

1424
01:44:37,763 --> 01:44:38,133
boilerplate or just used a template and
forgot

1425
01:44:38,133 --> 01:44:42,512
to remove names out of it. 20-plus
misspellings and grammatical errors.

1426
01:44:42,512 --> 01:44:47,198
A $250,000 project when one of the first
primary deliverables has— honestly,

1427
01:44:47,198 --> 01:44:51,329
the boilerplate is the worst thing. How
much of that is copy-paste?

1428
01:44:51,329 --> 01:44:56,324
How much of it is not really doing their
due diligence to provide a good product?

1429
01:44:56,324 --> 01:45:01,195
So recommendation for y'all is Let's
continue to engage with the committees and

1430
01:45:01,195 --> 01:45:01,380
continue to engage with the committees and
the

1431
01:45:01,380 --> 01:45:04,525
commissions that do that work, and let's
do better.

1432
01:45:04,525 --> 01:45:07,362
We're already behind schedule on that
already.

1433
01:45:07,362 --> 01:45:11,061
We have the moratorium on building that's
disappearing soon.

1434
01:45:11,061 --> 01:45:15,871
$250,000 so far, not feeling like it's
very well spent. That's all. Thank you.

1435
01:45:15,871 --> 01:45:20,432
All right. Any other public comment? Come
on up.

1436
01:45:23,432 --> 01:45:25,277
Katie Martin, District 10.

1437
01:45:25,277 --> 01:45:31,025
I didn't plan to speak because in my brain
on the way here, everything was great.

1438
01:45:31,025 --> 01:45:36,561
And it is great. And y'all, there's just—
it really bothered me when we— well,

1439
01:45:36,561 --> 01:45:42,238
when y'all voted for Mr. Robert on the
Regional Planning Commission. I think Mr.

1440
01:45:42,238 --> 01:45:47,774
Robert is a really great person, really
nice. I have no personal problems with

1441
01:45:47,774 --> 01:45:48,057
nice. I have no personal problems with
him.

1442
01:45:48,057 --> 01:45:50,257
He's never done anything to me.

1443
01:45:50,257 --> 01:45:53,806
However, I've— before moving back to Marie
County,

1444
01:45:53,806 --> 01:45:57,070
I worked at a large-scale distribution
center,

1445
01:45:57,070 --> 01:46:00,902
and I did a lot of hiring and firing in my
role there.

1446
01:46:00,902 --> 01:46:04,025
So in my role, I oversaw different
projects.

1447
01:46:04,025 --> 01:46:07,360
Some were more complex and lengthy than
others.

1448
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:12,896
And I can tell you that if I had an
employee under me quit in the middle of an

1449
01:46:12,896 --> 01:46:16,657
extensive project that the company paid
$250,000 for,

1450
01:46:16,657 --> 01:46:20,560
and then I turned around and hired him in
another role,

1451
01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:25,670
they would fire me because it's not
something that people in the private

1452
01:46:25,670 --> 01:46:26,096
something that people in the private
sector

1453
01:46:26,096 --> 01:46:31,276
respect. And I don't understand why
government sector doesn't have higher

1454
01:46:31,276 --> 01:46:31,915
government sector doesn't have higher
scrutiny.

1455
01:46:31,915 --> 01:46:34,967
I understand he has a lot of job
knowledge.

1456
01:46:34,967 --> 01:46:40,573
But in my opinion, he quit after a mistake
or discrepancy was found in a zoning

1457
01:46:40,573 --> 01:46:43,695
matter. And it was like a 30-day
turnaround.

1458
01:46:43,695 --> 01:46:48,734
And you're in the middle of a
comprehensive land use plan that's been a

1459
01:46:48,734 --> 01:46:49,373
comprehensive land use plan that's been a
nightmare

1460
01:46:49,373 --> 01:46:53,063
from the start. It's been a horrible waste
of money.

1461
01:46:53,063 --> 01:46:58,599
I could have probably have you— have had
you a complete one for about $30,000.

1462
01:46:58,599 --> 01:47:03,637
And And I could probably run it through
chat and have it for you today.

1463
01:47:03,637 --> 01:47:07,753
But we spent $250,000 on an out-of-state
company using AI,

1464
01:47:07,753 --> 01:47:12,579
and they don't even have the due diligence
to take out errors in it.

1465
01:47:12,579 --> 01:47:16,127
And I mean, and when you would go to the
meetings,

1466
01:47:16,127 --> 01:47:21,450
it looks like something that I put
together in a science fair in 5th grade.

1467
01:47:21,450 --> 01:47:26,985
Maybe, maybe y'all should get together
next time and consult with the citizens

1468
01:47:26,985 --> 01:47:27,198
next time and consult with the citizens
and

1469
01:47:27,198 --> 01:47:30,676
get like a board together of just regular
people.

1470
01:47:30,676 --> 01:47:34,295
And it might be more cost-effective for
the county,

1471
01:47:34,295 --> 01:47:38,340
and maybe it would actually get done in a
timely fashion.

1472
01:47:38,340 --> 01:47:43,662
I mean, that's a lot of money. That would
have more than paid off my house.

1473
01:47:43,662 --> 01:47:46,998
And I mean, that's just— it just blows my
mind.

1474
01:47:46,998 --> 01:47:52,959
And then it just blows my mind again that
this person who quit in the middle of this

1475
01:47:52,959 --> 01:47:57,004
project is appointed to the Regional
Planning Commission.

1476
01:47:57,004 --> 01:48:02,540
If he wanted to remain on the Regional
Planning Commission, he could have done

1477
01:48:02,540 --> 01:48:02,753
Planning Commission, he could have done
so.

1478
01:48:02,753 --> 01:48:06,301
at his job as the director of planning.
I'm sorry.

1479
01:48:06,301 --> 01:48:08,856
I know that's not a popular opinion,

1480
01:48:08,856 --> 01:48:14,675
and I don't have any hate towards anybody
on here. I think highly of all of y'all.

1481
01:48:14,675 --> 01:48:18,862
I just wanted to put my 2 cents out there
about it. Thanks.

1482
01:48:18,862 --> 01:48:26,800
Thank you. All right. Is there any
announcements? Commissioner Sumners.

1483
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,246
Speaking of the land use comprehensive
land use plan,

1484
01:48:30,246 --> 01:48:35,058
there is a meeting this Thursday, I
believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this

1485
01:48:35,058 --> 01:48:35,383
believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this
room.

1486
01:48:35,383 --> 01:48:40,715
So I just wanted to make everybody aware
of that and that people that want to come

1487
01:48:40,715 --> 01:48:41,300
can come.

1488
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:43,148
Commissioner Strahan.

1489
01:48:43,148 --> 01:48:49,395
I'm going to remind everybody on the
commission as well as those in the

1490
01:48:49,395 --> 01:48:54,058
audience that Kim's still looking for a
couple— what,

1491
01:48:54,058 --> 01:48:58,721
200,000 or 2,000 square feet for storage
in December.

1492
01:48:58,721 --> 01:49:04,000
for about 6 months. We're— we've been
looking all over town,

1493
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:05,936
we're finding nothing.

1494
01:49:07,087 --> 01:49:09,937
So if anybody could help us for a couple
thousand square feet—

1495
01:49:10,002 --> 01:49:12,318
do we know anything about climate control
yet?

1496
01:49:14,211 --> 01:49:17,553
We— yeah, it will require climate control
too.

1497
01:49:17,714 --> 01:49:22,589
So if you can help us, uh, it's, it's
going to be a hot item here pretty soon.

1498
01:49:23,347 --> 01:49:23,624
Thank you.

1499
01:49:23,624 --> 01:49:25,025
Okay, Madam Mayor.

1500
01:49:25,025 --> 01:49:29,711
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to
address that, uh, Mr.

1501
01:49:29,711 --> 01:49:35,513
Calderero took a job that he has wanted
for a long time. It is a better paying

1502
01:49:35,513 --> 01:49:35,810
for a long time. It is a better paying
job.

1503
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:41,091
It's something anybody would want to do.
And he's been working with Mr.

1504
01:49:41,091 --> 01:49:45,182
Spears for many years at GM, and they are
good friends.

1505
01:49:45,182 --> 01:49:50,463
And he's been looking for that job and
hoping for that job for a while.

1506
01:49:50,463 --> 01:49:53,959
So it's not like he just quit in the
middle of—

1507
01:49:53,959 --> 01:49:57,455
I see you shaking your head and you think
that.

1508
01:49:57,455 --> 01:50:02,810
Because he has a very good offer, which
most people would do. Excuse me.

1509
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:06,255
All right. Okay.

1510
01:50:06,255 --> 01:50:10,993
Go ahead, Commissioner

1511
01:50:10,993 --> 01:50:12,500
Phelps.

1512
01:50:12,500 --> 01:50:15,109
As someone that knows Robert very well,

1513
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:18,252
I know how long he's been looking for that
job.

1514
01:50:18,252 --> 01:50:21,731
He didn't just quit for any reason, for
any project.

1515
01:50:21,731 --> 01:50:27,216
at all, and I know this very well. So I,
I'd just like to say that for the record.

1516
01:50:27,216 --> 01:50:32,834
Robert has total integrity and would never
have left for any other reason other than

1517
01:50:32,834 --> 01:50:35,242
a better opportunity for his family.

1518
01:50:35,242 --> 01:50:39,657
I do not appreciate the insinuation, and
that's all I have to say.

1519
01:50:39,657 --> 01:50:43,767
All right, motion. I have a motion to
adjourn from Commissioner Sumner,

1520
01:50:43,767 --> 01:50:46,777
seconded by Commissioner Romesburg. We're
adjourned.