[2:06] Execute. A buyback on one lot that is in
the Cherry Glen subdivision.
[2:11] There's been some failures with other
industrial development boards in this
[2:16] industrial development boards in this
county,
[2:16] but there has not been a failure with the
industrial development board of this
[2:21] county. We've been very intentional about
how we structure these notes for you.
[2:27] For instance, if you were to pull your
General Motors contract,
[2:31] what you would see is that there is a jobs
requirement.
[2:35] Something that's never been there before
in the past 30 years.
[2:39] The— for the first time with the rezoning,
General Motors taxes will not go down.
[2:44] That's the first time that this has
happened in their existence here.
[2:49] That's a positive. Additionally, with the
sale of property,
[2:53] many of these companies are incentivized
with a lower price for the property to
[2:58] bring the project But there's also a
clawback in that property.
[3:03] If they don't put the foundation in by a
certain period of time, we buy it back.
[3:08] If their property is not built by a
certain period of time, we buy it back.
[3:13] And so now we're in a piece of property—
[3:16] and so when someone buys a piece of
property from the Industrial Development
[3:21] property from the Industrial Development
Board
[3:21] or Murray County, that money stays
basically in escrow until all of those
[3:26] basically in escrow until all of those
parameters
[3:27] are met.
[3:27] Okay.
[3:29] At this point, we are having to execute
one,
[3:32] a buyback for one piece of property that
was sold in 2021 from, uh,
[3:37] in Cherry Glen Industrial Park. We buy it
back at the price we sold it for in 2021.
[3:44] You can imagine it's worth quite a bit
more today than it was in 2021.
[3:49] So we work hard to make sure that we've
got, as best we can,
[3:53] fail-safes to that these companies meet
the obligations that they've laid out as
[4:00] they come to us. And with that, I'll take
any questions you may have.
[4:05] Any questions for Mr. Parks? Yes,
Commissioner Ronsberger.
[4:13] On the Innovation Campus, I'm pretty sure
I understand it,
[4:18] that's right there where the old Excel
Course was for Saturn?
[4:24] Yes, sir.
[4:25] Okay.
[4:26] And part of the old farms, of course, a
lot of the old barns are gone. Okay.
[4:30] I just wanted to make sure I had that
placed. Thank you. Commissioner Markham.
[4:33] Thank you.
[4:35] That's from Denning Lane all the way up to
Ripavilla, basically,
[4:38] is where that one is.
[4:40] Yes, sir.
[4:40] I just wanted you to point out that the
one on 43 Bypass,
[4:45] it's the City of Columbia IDB, right?
[4:48] That is correct.
[4:48] The one that— because a lot of people are
asking about that.
[4:51] Oakland Parkway. Yeah,
[4:52] the Oakland Parkway is the City of
Columbia's Industrial Development Board.
[4:58] Fiberon, which many of you might be aware
of,
[5:02] is the City of Columbia Industrial
Development Board project. U.S.
[5:07] Tennis in Spring Hill was Spring Hill
Industrial Development Board project.
[5:13] The Hunt Properties on the corner of Bear
Creek Pike and 31 Was the city of Columbia
[5:20] project. Our we've I don't think anyone's
perfect,
[5:24] but the county has had an incredible team
over the last sixty years that have worked
[5:30] to try and make this make this work for
all of Murray County and be be very
[5:36] all of Murray County and be be very
mindful
[5:37] about the the. Problems that have happened
in the past to keep them from happening
[5:43] in the future.
[5:44] All right. Anyone else? Commissioner
Combs.
[5:49] All right.
[5:54] I think it's working.
[5:56] Thank you, Chairman.
[6:00] When you decide to place any industrial
property,
[6:04] which environmental guidelines do you have
to go
[6:08] through?
[6:10] For example, I'll give you an example.
[6:12] If I place a radio tower somewhere, I have
to go through FCC federal guidelines,
[6:17] which is about 20 different items that
have to be like migratory bird paths,
[6:21] for example. What guidelines do you have
to follow?
[6:25] Our guidelines don't— we don't,
[6:26] we don't really deal with that in terms of
the companies that are coming in.
[6:31] That, that's going to fall in their
wheelhouse.
[6:34] The only reason we're dealing with TDEC
right now is We're trying to develop this
[6:39] piece of property for a future use here.
[6:42] Okay, thank you.
[6:44] Just forgive my ignorance. I'm still
trying to learn here. Absolutely.
[6:49] And all questions are good questions.
[6:52] We're glad— it's— we've had a lot of
success over the last decade here in
[6:57] success over the last decade here in
Murray
[6:58] County, as all of you know,
[7:00] and that's created some challenges and
some really positive things.
[7:05] But as we look out, right now things have
slowed down some,
[7:09] and that gives us some time to, I think,
[7:12] for you all as a commission to catch your
breath and forge the way you want to move
[7:18] forward. But it doesn't change our
readiness.
[7:21] When Murray Alliance brings us a project,
we sit down, we look at the benefits.
[7:27] on a cost basis to Maury County. And if
they're not there, they're not there.
[7:33] Okay. Anyone else? I think that's it. Mr.
Parks, thank you.
[7:39] Thank you all. Thank you for your service.
[7:41] Okay. We'll move on to 09-2606,
[7:45] appointment of one member To the Regional
Planning Commission to
[7:52] fill the unexpired term of Mike Diaz, and
I have Chris Wilson.
[7:59] Are there any other— Mayor Butt? Mr.
[8:03] Chairman, I would ask him to come and
[8:08] introduce himself to the commission,
[8:13] please.
[8:13] Good evening, everyone. I'm working here.
Good evening, everyone.
[8:19] My name is Chris Wilson. I've been a
resident of the county going on 20 years
[8:26] resident of the county going on 20 years
now.
[8:26] Wife and children are in the back as well,
within Murray County Schools.
[8:32] Just a little quick backstory on me. I
have 2 businesses within the county.
[8:39] We employ about 50 people between those 2
businesses.
[8:44] One of my businesses deals a lot with land
development, land usage.
[8:50] We cover projects from Kentucky line down
into Giles County, Alabama area.
[8:56] Been involved in a lot of good projects,
[9:00] also come across a lot of not so good
projects.
[9:04] So look forward to bringing Some of that
experience I have as far as boots on the
[9:11] ground to it. Uh, tell you some of the
findings we've discovered over the years.
[9:18] Also looking forward to, with all the
growth going on in this county,
[9:24] some of the future land usage stuff
that'll be coming in front of us.
[9:30] Looking forward to hearing in on that and
being a part of what the future holds for
[9:37] Murray County.
[9:38] I need a motion to— is there any other
nominations?
[9:44] Seeing none, I need a motion to approve
Mr. Wilson.
[9:49] I got it by Commissioner Kuzawinski,
[9:53] seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth. Any
discussion?
[9:58] Commissioner Markham.
[10:01] Okay.
[10:06] Mr. Wilson, how did you hear about the
opportunity?
[10:09] I had 2 referrals from past members, and
they recommended me to Miss Sheila,
[10:16] and I was able to sit down and have a
couple of meetings with her and go over
[10:23] couple of meetings with her and go over
some
[10:23] of the experiences I had.
[10:26] And I've sat in on a couple of the
meetings, so I was familiar with the
[10:32] meetings, so I was familiar with the
processes.
[10:33] Okay.
[10:34] So you said you had a couple businesses in
Murray County.
[10:37] You told us about one of them. Is the
other one relevant?
[10:39] It is.
[10:40] Uh, it's a heavy equipment repair shop.
It's off of Highway 7.
[10:45] We do a lot of construction equipment
sales and service as well as rentals.
[10:51] Do a lot of heavy truck repair, dump
trucks, semis, all of that.
[10:56] The other business is an excavating
company. It's Wilson Land Clearing.
[11:01] It's based out of Mount Pleasant.
[11:04] We also own quite a bit of real estate,
some commercial land, ag production land,
[11:10] starting from the 431 corridor down to
Mount Pleasant.
[11:14] We do a lot of rentals as well, a lot of
duplexes,
[11:18] apartment complexes that we own around
here.
[11:21] So having that real estate background as
well is something I Like to bring to the
[11:28] table.
[11:28] Okay, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Mr. Wilson. Any other questions?
[11:33] Uh, Commissioner Barnes.
[11:35] Am I on here?
[11:39] Yeah.
[11:39] Okay, it's good to meet you, Mr. Wilson.
[11:41] Thank you for coming up and, uh, putting
your name in the hat for this.
[11:44] I just have one simple question for you.
[11:46] Sure.
[11:46] Do you have any past projects that have
involved Murray County government or any
[11:52] scheduled future projects for Murray
County government?
[11:55] I don't have any projects that are going
at the moment.
[11:59] I had a project I was going to run through
to get approved,
[12:03] and we ended up not doing anything with
it.
[12:06] So nothing future coming down the works at
the moment. Thank you, Mr. Wilson.
[12:11] All right, anyone else? Seeing none, we'll
vote.
[12:14] I have a motion by Commissioner
Kuzawinski,
[12:17] seconded by Commissioner Hollinsworth, and
we'll vote.
[12:21] Please
[12:28] vote.
[12:34] 21 aye,
[12:43] 1 no.
[12:49] Got 21 in the affirmative, 1 no, so that
passes.
[12:53] All righty, thank you, Mr. Wilson.
[12:56] Um, 092607, appointment of 2 members to
the Regional Planning
[13:02] Commission. Mayor Butt. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
[13:07] We would like to reappoint Quentin Jones
and appoint Robert Calderero.
[13:12] who may have some experience with that.
[13:14] All right. Can I get a motion?
[13:18] I've got public comment on this.
[13:20] I got to get a motion first, Chris.
[13:23] I got a motion by Commissioner Hesla,
seconded by Commissioner Morrow.
[13:28] Any discussion? All right, Chris, come on
up.
[13:31] Chris Gramling, District 9.
[13:33] Um, I guess I'm going to point out the
elephant in the room. This is not
[13:38] elephant in the room. This is not
personal.
[13:39] Uh, Commissioners, before you consider the
appointment of former Building and Zoning
[13:45] Director Robert Calderaro to the Regional
Planning Commission,
[13:49] I believe there are important facts from
his tenure that deserve examination.
[13:54] This is particularly relevant because the
Planning Commission is responsible for
[14:00] reviewing subdivisions and And the
Building and Zoning Department that Mr.
[14:05] Calderaro directed was responsible for
supporting that very process. During Mr.
[14:10] Calderaro's tenure, a development was
permitted to proceed without Planning
[14:16] Commission subdivision review that later
was determined to actually be subject to
[14:21] subdivision regulations. That project is
Ridgeline Reserve on East Sheepneck Road.
[14:27] For an extended period, this development
proceeded without subdivision review.
[14:32] It was only after citizens and their
attorney researched Tennessee law and
[14:38] attorney researched Tennessee law and
raised
[14:38] the infrastructure provisions of TCA
13-3-401,
[14:41] that the county reconsidered its
interpretation,
[14:44] and county council concluded that the
project was subject to the subdivision
[14:50] regulations. That raises another obvious
question:
[14:53] how did a development that was legally
subject to subdivision regulation proceed
[14:59] through the department responsible for
administering those regulations without
[15:04] administering those regulations without
being
[15:05] sent to the Planning Commission.
[15:07] And Ridgeline Reserve is not the only
development about which these questions
[15:12] development about which these questions
have
[15:12] been raised. Before making this
appointment,
[15:15] I asked that the commission examine the
record of Double Branch, uh,
[15:20] slash Blackberry Meadows, uh, New Highway
7, Prim Springs, Ironbridge, uh,
[15:25] slash Shapiro, possibly the Monsanto, uh,
property called Mule Town Farms.
[15:30] I've got a big long list.
[15:32] Thank you.
[15:33] And it's coming in for all of you.
[15:35] And from what I see,
[15:36] the fact pattern has been repeated over
and over and over again.
[15:40] This isn't a question of personality. It
is a question of accountability.
[15:45] The Planning Commission exists in
significant part to ensure that
[15:49] significant part to ensure that
development and
[15:50] subdivision of land complies with
Tennessee law and Murray County's
[15:55] Tennessee law and Murray County's
subdivision
[15:55] regulations. The public deserves an
explanation of what happened in these
[16:00] explanation of what happened in these
cases,
[16:01] why it happened, and what responsibility
the former director had for those
[16:05] the former director had for those
decisions
[16:06] before his appointment to the body
responsible for subdivision oversight is
[16:11] considered. Thank you.
[16:12] All right. Is there any further
discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.
[16:20] Yeah. Okay.
[16:21] Come on up. Justin Kittel, District 6, and
I wasn't planning to speak tonight,
[16:27] and I'll preface this by saying Robert's
always been incredibly nice to me in all
[16:33] always been incredibly nice to me in all
of
[16:33] our dealings, always been very kind,
[16:35] and so this has nothing to do with any
kind of personal issue,
[16:40] and I'm not even going to address any of
the specifics of it.
[16:45] I would say, though,
[16:46] anytime that you would have somebody
that's leaving a position from within the
[16:52] county where they've had to make
discretionary decisions.
[16:56] And then ultimately,
[16:58] if they were going to go on a board such
as the Planning Commission,
[17:03] because the Planning Commission really is
kind of the checks and balances of that
[17:09] building and zoning office.
[17:11] And so whether it was Robert or whether it
was anybody from that particular
[17:16] department to where you're putting them in
a position to where Ultimately,
[17:22] it's going to be impossible to not have
some kind of conflicts of interest as far
[17:28] some kind of conflicts of interest as far
as
[17:28] matters that have come through that office
that,
[17:31] that he's had to make determinations on,
judgment calls, subjective determinations.
[17:38] And so again, I wasn't planning on
speaking, and this isn't personal,
[17:43] but I do think that the potential for
conflicts of interest there would be
[17:48] conflicts of interest there would be
Pretty
[17:49] considerable. And again,
[17:51] I would say that for anybody that might be
coming into that position,
[17:56] and certainly respect the, the mayor's,
you know, decision.
[18:00] And as far as the nomination, and when she
mentioned that,
[18:04] that he has a lot of experience with it,
you know,
[18:08] I don't think there's any question with
that.
[18:11] But therein, in my opinion, lies the
problem.
[18:15] Is that you've got somebody that's going
to be in a position of oversight in being
[18:21] to be in a position of oversight in being
a
[18:21] check and balance for people that at one
time he may have supervised and with
[18:27] developments that he may have had a hand
in.
[18:30] And you might say, well, in those
particular instances,
[18:34] maybe he could recuse himself.
[18:36] But again, I think that in this particular
situation,
[18:40] Given the fact that that is an oversight
body for that particular office,
[18:46] I think it would be really difficult for
him to be able to remove himself and to be
[18:52] an independent decision maker. And I know
it would be for me.
[18:56] And again, that's nothing personal,
[18:59] but I think you become invested with the
decisions that you make in a particular
[19:05] position like that. And, you know,
[19:07] ultimately you may justify something that
you had done in that position that
[19:13] ultimately you're having to defend your
own actions in it.
[19:17] And so I make those statements and you can
do with those what you will,
[19:23] but in my opinion, I think that there
would be too much of a risk for conflicts
[19:29] would be too much of a risk for conflicts
of
[19:29] interest. Thank you. Mayor Butt.
[19:31] And I think a lot of the things that would
come before them would be future projects
[19:36] rather than things that were past
projects.
[19:39] Not to mention, Robert has shepherded them
through all of the zoning ordinances,
[19:43] all the new ordinances.
[19:45] He knows the things backwards and
forwards, and he could certainly excuse—
[19:49] recuse himself if that's what he thought
he needed to do,
[19:52] and I would trust him to do that.
[19:54] So I will stand behind my nomination of
Robert Calderero. Thank you.
[19:58] All right. Commissioner Hestla. Thank you,
Chair.
[20:04] I know we're not allowed a rebuttal for
the public comment,
[20:07] but can Robert come to the podium and say
something, please?
[20:10] Would you like to speak?
[20:12] Come on. Hey, Robert. I would just like to
hear your opinion on what Mr.
[20:19] Gramling said, because I know you and I
have talked about several of
[20:26] those things. during the process.
[20:29] So I'd like to hear what you have to say.
[20:33] Yeah, there's a presumption that I had a
call in divisions of land over 5 acres.
[20:38] The project that he's talking about, the
Ishi-Connect division of land,
[20:43] was something I knew nothing about until
the zoning ordinance public hearing in
[20:49] the zoning ordinance public hearing in
July
[20:49] of last year. And some people showed up in
signs of opposition to an Ishi-Connect
[20:55] development. Typically, properties are
divided in 5 acres or more.
[21:00] We, we never see it. They're divided under
state law.
[21:03] And, you know, and we're talking with
Chris Bramlett and Teresa Sparks.
[21:08] I later learned, because I was curious at
that time,
[21:11] because we've never seen development— find
out it's over 5 acres.
[21:16] Historically, we've never seen those.
[21:18] So, uh, find out later, and, uh, And
talking with them that there was a—
[21:23] there was an agreement,
[21:25] or there was talks with Columbia Power and
Water to extend that water main.
[21:30] And I talked to Columbia Power and Water
in months to come.
[21:34] They had discussed it with them, but there
was no, no follow-through.
[21:38] There was no other proceedings to
legitimize that act.
[21:41] I had no material evidence to act on.
[21:44] It wasn't until November, the following
November that year,
[21:47] that I actually heard from Columbia Power
and Water. They hadn't heard from them.
[21:52] But the developer had gone to TDAC for
that design.
[21:55] So they submitted designs for that
extension of that infrastructure to TDAC.
[22:00] At that time, it was our determination and
our attorney's determination it did fall
[22:05] within our wheelhouse. And we reacted
accordingly.
[22:08] So it wasn't that Robert wasn't doing his
job or we was viewing or approving 5-acre
[22:13] divisions. Historically, people divided
those properties.
[22:16] We never heard nothing about them until
there was an extension of infrastructure.
[22:21] Most of the time that consisted of roadway
development,
[22:24] and we were always involved with that.
[22:26] Seldom did we ever hear of a water main
extension.
[22:30] At this time, when we heard that they was
planning on extending that water main and
[22:34] we had material evidence, we pursued it
accordingly.
[22:38] So that's all I had on that.
[22:40] Thank you. And, and we did.
[22:42] We addressed it in November, and that's
with our attorney, Christy Ransom.
[22:46] She made that determination with—
[22:48] once I had that information from Columbia
Power and Water,
[22:51] I turned it over to her and we sent
letters out.
[22:54] Okay, thank you, Robert.
[22:57] Thank you, Chair. All right, anyone— any
other commissioners? Commissioner Stovall.
[23:03] Yeah, thank you, Chairman.
[23:04] Uh, Robert, can I ask Robert a question?
Sorry about that, Rob.
[23:12] Uh, how many members are on the planning—
on this— on the board?
[23:15] 9 members. 9 members?
[23:16] Yes, sir. Each one of them got one vote,
right?
[23:19] Yes, sir.
[23:19] Okay, that's all I have.
[23:20] Thank you, Chairman.
[23:21] Thank you.
[23:36] You— would you like to speak?
[23:41] Can— that's from commissioners. From
commissioners.
[23:49] Yeah, go ahead, Mr.—
[23:52] Just a reply to the rebuttal there.
[23:56] He actually made the case for exactly what
has been going wrong with the Building
[24:01] and Zoning Department.
[24:02] I wasn't going to get into this, but now
I'll Absolutely cook them over it.
[24:07] And that's the fact that on 5-acre tracts
and more,
[24:10] building and zoning was not looking at
those.
[24:13] I could drive across this county right
now, and I'm actually in the process of
[24:17] now, and I'm actually in the process of
this,
[24:18] doing an audit of all of these
subdivisions that have went through
[24:22] subdivisions that have went through
building and
[24:22] zoning that we weren't looking at because
we were under the mistaken interpretation
[24:27] within building and zoning that those had—
[24:30] would not go before the Planning
Commission.
[24:33] And that is not the way that the law
reads.
[24:35] This was not something to where Columbia
Power and Water spoke up at some point
[24:40] Power and Water spoke up at some point
down
[24:40] the road, and that's why building and
zoning got into it.
[24:44] There were citizens that expressed issues
with this for months over this particular
[24:49] subdivision and were told that there was
nothing that they could do until they had
[24:54] to pay me to write a legal opinion that
went before the building and zoning
[24:58] attorney, and she completely agreed with
everything that we said,
[25:02] that we have been misinterpreting This for
who knows how long,
[25:06] but at least when that subdivision came
along, the 5-acre determination is—
[25:10] Automatically goes before the Planning
Commission.
[25:13] If it's over 5 acres, you've got to make a
judgment call.
[25:17] And at the end of the day, the
determination is,
[25:20] are they trying to create a subdivision?
[25:23] Infrastructure is one of those layers that
you look at.
[25:25] It's one of those factors.
[25:27] But when we talk about overdevelopment,
[25:29] when we talk about growth and the fact
that the county has approved less
[25:34] that the county has approved less
development
[25:35] than the city of Columbia, for example,
[25:37] part of that is a lot of these
subdivisions have been built without going
[25:42] subdivisions have been built without going
through
[25:42] the proper process. The Planning
Commission is our— again,
[25:46] that's our checks and balances to be sure
that these developers are doing things the
[25:52] right way. And there are subdivisions and
This will be coming out in the coming
[25:57] months. There are subdivisions all over
this county right now that did not go
[26:02] this county right now that did not go
before
[26:02] the Planning Commission that should have.
You've got excessive driveways.
[26:07] You've got areas where subdivisions have
put in—
[26:10] been put in where people don't have water,
where infrastructure was extended.
[26:15] And that's the entire problem here, is
building and zoning was not looking at it.
[26:20] And so Um, again, this is not personal.
[26:22] I'm, I'm making the case for the people on
this,
[26:26] that I'm not even sure it's legally proper
that you could take someone out of a
[26:31] director position and put them on a
planning commission that's advising
[26:35] planning commission that's advising
decisions
[26:36] from that same department.
[26:37] You know, in Washington, D.C.,
[26:39] even when you've got someone that goes out
of government,
[26:43] you've got to have a cooling-off period
before that happens.
[26:47] And so, um, Based on the comments that
were made,
[26:50] I would strongly request that this, this
body deny the recommendation.
[26:55] Thank you.
[26:55] All right. Thank you. Any further
discussion? Yes. Come on up.
[27:01] Thank you. Theresa Sparks, District 9.
[27:06] If you've been on Double Branch Road, If
any—
[27:11] has anybody been on Double Branch Road?
It's a disaster.
[27:17] They knew that they were dividing that
property.
[27:23] The, the Building and Zoning Committee
knew that they had to put in
[27:28] knew that they had to put in
infrastructure.
[27:29] It's the same fact pattern. The driveways
are dangerous.
[27:33] The homeowners still don't have water.
They still don't have water.
[27:38] Some of them have just— One in particular,
Doug, just decided to dig a well.
[27:43] Still no water. And that's why we fought
so, so passionately,
[27:48] because we didn't want what was happening
there, which we were all watching unfold—
[27:54] this disaster, these dangerous driveways,
[27:57] this water infrastructure that came in and
created a subdivision.
[28:01] And that's why we were fighting this on
East Sheepneck,
[28:05] because we did not want that same fact
pattern replicated.
[28:09] And it, it is absolutely inappropriate to
have—
[28:15] Robert has been great to me and very kind,
[28:19] and I echo those comments,
[28:22] and his knowledge is invaluable in certain
areas.
[28:27] But this was a very big lapse in knowledge
of the law.
[28:32] I mean, quite honestly, if we hadn't just
started researching it as citizens,
[28:37] This would have never been uncovered. And
this was our— this is not my job.
[28:42] I have another job, believe it or not. I'm
here frequently, but I have another job.
[28:48] And it's just not—
[28:50] we can, we can reach out to him.
[28:52] We can ask for advice if we need that as a
committee,
[28:56] the Regional Planning Commission. But it's
not appropriate.
[29:00] It's just not appropriate to go from that
position to that board. Thank you.
[29:05] That board is already under question
because of the amount of developers and
[29:10] because of the amount of developers and
real
[29:10] estate professionals on that board. We've
got to get that board in order, and we've—
[29:16] in order to be able to control the growth
in this county.
[29:20] We're doing things, we're letting
developers go behind,
[29:24] circumvent rules and regulations. We can
show you that.
[29:28] If you have any interest, we can show you
that.
[29:30] Get Christie's memo.
[29:31] Thank you.
[29:32] We have to stop that.
[29:35] So thank you. I appreciate the time.
[29:37] All right. Any further discussion?
[29:40] We're going to have to take them one at a
time.
[29:45] Do we need to take them one at a time or
both?
[29:49] Can we take them both at once or one at a
time? Motion was for both? Okay.
[29:56] All right. So we'll— Chairman, Yes. Just
real quick.
[30:01] There's also another nominee, Quentin
Jones.
[30:05] I don't know, is he going to slide in or
can we get introduced to him?
[30:10] Quentin is currently on the Planning
Commission.
[30:13] Oh, okay.
[30:14] He's a renewal.
[30:15] Yes. He's being reappointed.
[30:17] Okay. Thank you very much. All right. So
the motion was both.
[30:21] We'll vote on that if there's no further
discussion.
[30:24] Please vote.
[30:26] Hold on. Commissioner Bauld.
[30:29] I just— I'm not sure it's fair to continue
with both of them since there is a
[30:35] question about one. I would ask that maybe
we split them up.
[30:40] I'll make a motion that we split them up.
I got to deal with— I got it.
[30:47] You can amend the motion. But so you want
to make an amendment to the motion?
[30:53] Yes, sir.
[30:54] That we do it one at a time?
[30:56] Yes.
[30:56] Do I have a second? By Commissioner
Haines. All right.
[31:01] So the motion is— the amendment is to vote
on them one at a time.
[31:07] It's been properly— it's been properly
motioned and seconded.
[31:12] Is there any discussion on that?
[31:17] No.
[31:17] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[31:21] We're voting on the amendment to take
[31:27] them one at a time.
[31:42] Gary, just to say something.
[31:43] Commissioner Stovall.
[31:44] Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[31:50] I have some concerns here.
[31:53] We just got information from our attorney,
right?
[31:56] And he said it was okay for us to do both
at the same time.
[32:00] He's the legal authority for this body
here, right, tonight, I think.
[32:05] Supposedly, and I know because we hired
him to do our legal So I think we need to
[32:10] take his advice. You know, I'm not a
lawyer and I'm not an attorney,
[32:15] but we're supposed to take his advice.
[32:17] I think we ought to take his advice and go
forward. Thank you, Chairman.
[32:22] Commissioner— I mean, Attorney Dobies.
[32:25] Thank you, Chairman.
[32:27] Yeah, I— these are appointments by the
mayor, so it's an up or down vote.
[32:31] There's no nominations that can be
accepted, of course.
[32:35] It's up to the Commission, but, you know,
just practically speaking,
[32:39] if there is a question of one or the
other,
[32:42] it probably would make sense to do them
separate.
[32:45] It's probably, you know, practically
speaking, the easiest way to weigh it out,
[32:50] but it's up to the Commission.
[32:52] So it's up to however they want to motion
it or action it.
[32:56] So we have an amendment.
[32:58] To amend the motion to take them one at a
time,
[33:03] it's been seconded. Is there any further
discussion?
[33:08] No.
[33:10] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[33:11] Please vote.
[33:14] Voting on the amendment to take them one
at a time.
[33:31] 14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain.
[33:33] 14 aye, 7 no, 1 abstain. All right.
[33:37] So we will take them one at a time.
[33:40] And the way I have them, the first one is
Quentin Jones.
[33:46] So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.
[33:50] We have to vote on the motion as amended.
First, right? No? Okay.
[33:57] So we'll be voting on Quentin Jones.
[34:01] She can bring their
[34:07] name—
[34:09] his name right back
[34:15] next time.
[34:19] Okay.
[34:45] We do have to vote on this as well. Okay.
[34:48] Yes, Danny, we do have to vote that we're
voting on the amended motion.
[34:53] Yeah, we have to vote on the motion as
amended.
[34:57] So we'll be voting on that, the motion as
amended,
[35:01] that we take them one at a time.
[35:03] I thought we just did that before.
[35:06] Huh?
[35:07] I thought we just did that.
[35:12] You voted on the amendment, and then you
got to vote to amend the—
[35:17] vote on the amended motion.
[35:20] Okay, just to appease me,
[35:22] you won't let me do anything,
[35:25] so you vote a second time.
[35:28] Okay, thank you. Yeah, so we're voting on
the motion as amended.
[36:03] 16 aye, 6 no.
[36:05] So that passes with 16
[36:13] aye and 6 no. So now we
[36:21] will be voting on
[36:27] Quentin Jones. Please
[36:35] vote.
[36:50] 22 ayes.
[36:53] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
[36:58] Now we'll be voting on Robert Calderero.
[37:03] Aye.
[37:27] Mr. Chairman, stop.
[37:29] Yes, sir. Before we vote. Yes, go ahead,
Mr. Stovall.
[37:35] I hate to be delaying and holding up
stuff.
[37:38] You know, I'm a person here,
[37:40] I believe in giving everybody a fair shake
and a fair chance.
[37:44] You know, and I think that By us not doing
that, then we, we're just giving Mr.
[37:48] Calderaro just a, uh, not a good
recommendation, not a good concern.
[37:53] And I think we should get everybody a fair
shake of everything before we try to pass
[37:58] judgment on them. And for that reason, I
think I'm going to support Mr. Calderaro.
[38:03] Thank you, sir. Commissioner Marr.
[38:07] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also intend to
support Robert He may have made mistakes.
[38:12] He may not have made mistakes.
[38:14] Nobody that does anything actually doesn't
make mistakes,
[38:18] but he has a wealth of knowledge on this
subject,
[38:21] and I have attended enough Planning
Commission meetings to know that
[38:25] Commission meetings to know that
knowledge,
[38:26] that kind of knowledge, is a little bit
thin on the ground there,
[38:30] and we need all of it we can get. So I
will be supporting Robert.
[38:34] I don't think Robert has ever done
anything really out of line or dishonest,
[38:39] so I have faith in him. Thank you.
[38:41] Thank you. Anyone else? We'll vote.
[38:46] Please
[38:53] vote.
[39:00] 16 aye,
[39:09] 6 no.
[39:15] That passes with 16 in the affirmative, 6
no.
[39:19] All right, we'll move on to 09-2608,
[39:22] appointment of Senior Engineer Matthew—
how you say your name, sir?
[39:28] Pfeiffer.
[39:29] Pfeiffer. Pfeiffer as interim director to
building and zoning. Mayor Butt?
[39:36] Yes, Matthew has been in there a short
time. He is very knowledgeable.
[39:41] He's an engineer. He will be able to
answer the questions.
[39:45] I know he is very thorough and will look
at everything closely.
[39:50] So for our interim, I do recommend Matthew
Pfeiffer. Thank you.
[39:54] All right. I need a motion. Commissioner
Hestla.
[39:58] Seconded by Commissioner Cohen.
[40:00] Is there any discussion on this one?
[40:02] No.
[40:03] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[40:05] Please
[40:10] vote.
[40:15] 22
[40:16] ayes.
[40:21] That passes with 22 ayes. Affirmative.
[40:24] 09-2609, appointment of 3 members to the
Audit Committee,
[40:29] is going to be deferred to October.
[40:32] Uh, 2610, appointment of one member to the
Civil Service Board.
[40:38] Uh, I have the name of Debbie Notley. Uh,
Commissioner Markham? You didn't? Okay.
[40:45] All right, that's the mayor's appointment.
[40:48] All right, it's got his name on it, that's
why I asked.
[40:53] Um, so can I get a motion for that?
[40:56] Motion by Commissioner Strand, seconded by
Commissioner Morrow. Any discussion?
[41:03] Any public comment? Seeing none, we'll
vote.
[41:06] Please
[41:11] vote.
[41:21] 22 ayes.
[41:22] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
[41:25] Appointment of 2 members to the Ethics
Board, that's 09-26-11.
[41:29] I have Cindy Hestla and Winston Harlan.
Mayor Butt, those are your appointments?
[41:35] Yes, they are.
[41:36] Can I get a motion? I have a motion
[41:43] by Commissioner Romesburg,
[41:48] seconded by Commissioner Brothers.
[41:54] Any discussion on that one or any
[42:01] public comment? Seeing none,
[42:06] we'll vote. Please vote.
[42:18] 22 aye.
[42:19] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
[42:22] I have 09-26-12, announcement of 2
vacancies to the Civil Service Board due
[42:27] vacancies to the Civil Service Board due
to the
[42:27] resignation of Tim Holt and Wayne
Romesburg. That's just an announcement.
[42:32] 09-26-13 is an announcement of 1 member's
term expiring on the Park Board.
[42:37] That is just an announcement. I will now
take a motion to accept the consent
[42:43] take a motion to accept the consent
agenda.
[42:43] I have Commissioner Sumners, seconded by
Commissioner Kuzawinski.
[42:47] Is there any discussion on this one?
Commissioner Cohen?
[42:51] Yes, I would like to make a motion
[42:56] to— let me see, let me find it,
[43:00] sorry.
[43:10] The—
[43:11] sorry, Mr.
[43:12] Chair. That's okay.
[43:14] I lost it. The plan that Doug has coming
up on
[43:21] the agenda, it's all slipped in there
somewhere.
[43:28] It's not on the consent item.
[43:30] That's not a consent item?
[43:30] It's not on the consent, no, sir. Okay.
All right.
[43:38] My bad.
[43:38] You good? Okay. Okay. Commissioner Marr.
Yes, sir.
[43:43] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[43:45] I would respectfully request again,
because I have asked for this before,
[43:48] anytime we have a membership on a board
expiring,
[43:51] can we please put the name of the person
who's expiring in the,
[43:54] in the agenda of the meeting?
[43:56] Okay.
[43:57] Thank you.
[43:57] All right. Thank you. Who was the motion?
[44:02] So I have a motion by Commissioner
Sumners,
[44:07] seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.
[44:11] Commissioner Barnes.
[44:16] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[44:19] I'd like to request that 09-2635
[44:24] resolution All right.
[44:29] I have a motion to remove 09-26-35 from
the consent agenda. Is there a second?
[44:36] You don't need a motion for that.
[44:37] Don't need it?
[44:38] It just takes one person to move it.
[44:39] All right. Well, we're moving it off then.
Where are we going to put it?
[44:45] Between 34 and—
[44:46] Yeah, between 34 and 36.
[44:54] Okay. We'll be voting on the consent
agenda. Commissioner Cohen?
[44:58] Yes, sir. On here we have 09-26-34,
[45:02] resolution for accepting the approved
proposed
[45:07] strategic plan.
[45:08] That's not on the consent agenda.
[45:11] Okay.
[45:12] I'm sorry.
[45:12] Okay. All right. We'll vote on the consent
agenda.
[45:17] Please vote.
[45:32] 22 aye.
[45:33] That passes with 22 in the
[45:39] affirmative. 092621,
[45:44] Attorney Dobies.
[45:48] Hello.
[45:54] Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[45:56] 092621 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment moving funds for the Murray
[45:59] County Parks Department for receipt of
funds from the Tennessee Agriculture
[46:02] Enhancement Program grant.
[46:04] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
[46:06] seconded by Commissioner Brothers. Any
discussion on this one?
[46:10] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[46:12] Please vote. 22 ayes.
[46:19] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092622, Attorney Dobies.
[46:26] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[46:27] 092622 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment to move funds for the Murray
[46:30] County Emergency Management Department for
the purchase of land for Project
[46:34] Guardian.
[46:37] I got a motion by Commissioner Hestla,
seconded by Commissioner Holt.
[46:42] Any discussion? Seeing none, we'll vote.
[46:44] Please
[46:50] vote.
[46:54] 22
[46:56] ayes.
[47:01] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2629, Attorney Dobies.
[47:05] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[47:07] 09-2629 is a resolution approving
acceptance of a bid for the Murray County
[47:10] acceptance of a bid for the Murray County
Highway
[47:11] Department for a bridge repair project on
Monsanto Road.
[47:13] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Hessler.
[47:18] Is there any discussion on that one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.
[47:21] Please vote.
[47:30] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2630, Attorney Dobbs.
[47:36] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[47:37] Uh, 09-2630 is a resolution approving the
hiring of a senior accountant above the
[47:41] first quartile for the Murray County
Finance Department.
[47:43] I got a motion by Commissioner Green,
[47:50] seconded by Commissioner Strand.
[47:55] Is there any discussion on this one?
[48:01] Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.
[48:08] 22 ayes.
[48:09] Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092631,
Attorney Dobies.
[48:14] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[48:16] Uh, 092631 is a resolution amending the
2026-2027 school general purpose fund
[48:21] budget.
[48:25] Don't everybody raise your hand at once.
[48:27] Commissioner Hollinsworth and Commissioner
Green, any, any discussion?
[48:32] No.
[48:32] Seeing none, we'll vote. Please vote.
[48:54] 21 aye, 1 abstain.
[48:55] That passes with 21 in the affirmative, 1
abstention. Uh, 092632, Attorney Dobies.
[49:03] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[49:04] 092632 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment for the Murray County Trustee
[49:09] for the premium on surety bond.
[49:11] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,
seconded by Commissioner Brothers.
[49:15] Any discussion on this one? Seeing none,
we'll vote.
[49:18] Please
[49:23] vote.
[49:27] 22 aye.
[49:31] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2633, Attorney Dobies.
[49:37] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[49:38] 09-2633 is a resolution approving a budget
amendment for the line item adjustment
[49:42] for the Murray County Sheriff's Department
for the mental health transport grant
[49:46] budget.
[49:46] I got a motion by Commissioner Green,
seconded by Commissioner— what's her name?
[49:54] Phillips. Phillips.
[49:55] Commissioner Phillips. Thank you. All
right. Any discussion?
[50:00] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[50:02] Please vote.
[50:19] 22 aye. That passes with 22 in the
affirmative. 092634, Attorney Dobies.
[50:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[50:28] 092634 is a resolution accepting and
approving the proposed strategic plan
[50:32] approving the proposed strategic plan
document
[50:32] as the official strategic plan for Murray
County, Tennessee.
[50:38] Commissioner Kuzawinski, seconded by
Commissioner Romsberg.
[50:42] Is there any discussion on this one?
Commissioner Cohen.
[50:46] Yes, sir. Trying to review this 40-page
document has been—
[50:52] it's a lot when you're trying to do it in
a couple days.
[50:59] I feel like that this needs to go back to
committee.
[51:02] I make a motion to send it back to
committee.
[51:04] I think more discussion needs to be had on
this.
[51:06] Maybe a little more in-depth discussion on
the framework. It's a good framework.
[51:10] It looks good, but I think there's more
discussion that needs to be had.
[51:14] We don't have a second.
[51:20] Can I get a second for that? Seconded by
Commissioner Marr.
[51:26] So it's been motioned to amend it to send
it back to the Planning Committee.
[51:33] We'll vote on the amendment. Commissioner
Sumners. Admin? Thank you, Mr.
[51:40] Chairman. Go back to admin.
[51:43] This actually came through budget
committee.
[51:45] So it'll go back to budget.
[51:46] And, you know, we discussed this the
[51:53] other night at budget and It's a
[51:58] start.
[51:59] Yeah.
[52:02] You know, it's not something that's set in
stone.
[52:05] It's a— I think somebody put it this way—
[52:07] it's a dynamic plan. So that means it
changes and can change.
[52:12] And it can change with any input that
anyone has here, a commissioner,
[52:17] department head, if a goal changes, if a
goal is met.
[52:22] It's just a start.
[52:26] I think we need to, to go ahead and
approve this.
[52:30] And then, you know, as things do come up,
if things change, if we want to make,
[52:37] make changes, we can make changes anytime
we want to.
[52:41] Uh, just has to be on the agenda for, for
a discussion for that.
[52:46] So, uh, it is a start. It's not totally,
uh, a finished document.
[52:51] Okay.
[52:52] Because it's, it's a, it's a plan.
[52:54] Plans change all the time.
[52:56] Uh, I tell you what,
[52:58] it's a hell of a lot better than the one
we had in 2018 and 2019, that's for sure.
[53:05] So, uh, I, I think we need to go ahead and
just, and,
[53:09] and approve this tonight and, and make
changes as we need to.
[53:14] Thank you.
[53:15] Thank you. Uh, Commissioner Romesburg.
[53:19] I agree with— there it goes.
[53:27] I agree with Commissioner Sumner there
that this is a living document,
[53:30] just like the Constitution. It can be
changed.
[53:34] It's a beginning.
[53:35] You have to always start somewhere. This
is the first stepping stone.
[53:39] We need to pass this tonight.
[53:41] Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Haynes.
[53:43] Thank you, Chairman.
[53:44] I am on the Budget Committee,
[53:46] and what I understood was there was going
to be input from the commission.
[53:50] So if we send it back to the Budget
Committee,
[53:52] where will the input from all the
commissioners come? Like, how will that
[53:56] commissioners come? Like, how will that
happen?
[53:56] And that, that's what my question is.
[53:58] If we approve it tonight, then the entire
committee can still put input on it.
[54:02] Is that correct?
[54:03] Yes.
[54:03] Okay. So I feel like, as Commissioner
Sumner said,
[54:06] approving it tonight and everybody working
on it is more productive than sending it
[54:11] back to budget. We're stalled again and
got to send it back.
[54:15] Okay. Any further discussion?
[54:19] Commissioner Brothers.
[54:26] It's like a Lite-Brite.
[54:28] Hey, thank you, Chair.
[54:29] I just wanted to add a quick comment.
[54:32] I am in agreement with all the comments,
actually.
[54:35] I agree it's a lot to read,
[54:36] but what I would caution people on is once
things go back into the committee washing
[54:41] cycle. Sometimes it is months and years to
get something back out.
[54:45] I would think that the comprehensive land
use plan would be a great example of that.
[54:50] I don't mind the comment about having
specific measurables in there.
[54:54] I think a lot of things we can get from
Murray Alliance and maybe do better,
[54:59] and I will take that up myself.
[55:00] But as far as the strategic plan that Doug
and the directors and the mayor have put
[55:05] together, I I'm going to stand behind it.
[55:08] Thank you. All right. Any further
discussion?
[55:13] Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment
to send this back to Budget
[55:21] Committee. You're voting to either—
[55:25] the amendment is to send it back to Budget
Committee, so if it passes,
[55:33] it will go back to Budget, but if it
fails,
[55:38] we will go back to the original
resolution.
[55:43] So you're voting on the amendment to send
it back to budget.
[55:49] That passes— I mean, that fails with 3
ayes and 19 nos.
[55:55] So we'll go back to the original Motion,
and that was, uh,
[56:02] to approve the land use plan? No, the
strategic plan. Strategic plan.
[56:10] All right, is there any further discussion
on that? Any public comment?
[56:18] Mr. Gramley.
[56:24] Um, I'm guessing you're going to pass this
anyway,
[56:28] but I want to just for the record, there's
no mention of ethics.
[56:32] Again, another elephant in the room.
[56:35] There's been a massive ethics problem in
this county. Where is the accountability?
[56:41] Where is that? What— why is my ethics
complaint not answered?
[56:45] Why is Teresa Sparks' ethics complaint not
answered?
[56:49] How can that not be included in the
strategic plan?
[56:52] We're just going to say, oh, people do
whatever they want.
[56:56] And then that begs the question of
accountability. Everybody just gets a
[57:02] accountability. Everybody just gets a
do-over.
[57:02] There's theoretically—
[57:04] this county is liable for tens of millions
of dollars if you sit down and do the
[57:09] math. This isn't 6th grade. It's not, you
know, peewee Baseball.
[57:14] There are people that are suffering out
there over on Double Branch and numerous
[57:20] other places. This isn't a joke. It's not
funny. It shouldn't be taken so casually.
[57:25] This strategic plan should have something
in there about ethics at the very least.
[57:31] Regarding the IT plan, it's a complete
joke. It's an absolute disgrace.
[57:36] There's no mention of a business
continuity plan,
[57:40] no mention of a disaster recovery plan.
[57:42] Mr.
[57:43] No mention of a written information
security plan. I mean, there's no KPIs.
[57:48] It's a joke. Absolute— absolutely
ridiculous.
[57:51] If this was in corporate America, this
would never fly.
[57:54] People would be fired over this. We've got
to start taking this stuff seriously.
[57:59] Sooner or later, something really bad is
going to happen if we don't wake up and
[58:04] make a change. I know you guys are
probably going to pass it, but these
[58:09] probably going to pass it, but these
things,
[58:09] the ethics, The public records request
process that I have repeatedly come in
[58:14] process that I have repeatedly come in
this
[58:15] room and talked about.
[58:16] It's ridiculous that the IT guy apparently
just gives it to the subject of the
[58:21] request who fulfills it.
[58:22] And then I get, I get somebody call me up
and say, hey,
[58:26] so-and-so who I was asking about called me
and said, what is this about?
[58:31] The subject of a public records request
called a person asking?
[58:35] That's like intimidation. It's ridiculous.
[58:37] Thank you.
[58:42] Oh,
[58:43] Miss Green.
[58:49] Commissioner Green. If Doug wants to speak
before I do, that's fine.
[58:57] My concern is that we do something with
this plan because in the past it's been
[59:02] this plan because in the past it's been
put
[59:03] on a shelf. And there's never any
discussion about it.
[59:06] We need to put this in front of admin and
let's have discussions on some of these
[59:12] topics that have been brought up or
concerns. We just can't shelve it.
[59:17] That's my comment.
[59:19] All right. Doug.
[59:21] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks, Bill.
[59:24] So, yeah, as I stated at the Budget
Committee meeting, this is a start,
[59:30] and additionally, you know, these are some
long-term goals that, you know,
[59:36] we want to establish as a community and
then gain more input.
[59:41] So, this plan should not be looked at as,
yeah,
[59:45] this is Murray County's financial plan and
it's not going to change for 5 years.
[59:52] This is a plan that needs worked on right
after we approve it.
[59:57] Right.
[59:58] And so input from the County Commission,
an updated questionnaire,
[1:00:03] strategic goals that have things that are
SMART goals, basically.
[1:00:07] They give timelines. They show more than
just the tactics that are in here.
[1:00:13] Those are improvements that can be made to
this plan and will be made to this plan,
[1:00:19] along with gathering input from department
heads,
[1:00:22] different types of input than the
questionnaires provided.
[1:00:27] And in Bringing in more community input on
it as well as our citizens.
[1:00:32] So this is just, as it was stated in the
Budget Committee,
[1:00:36] this is a first step and something that we
didn't have to pay $211,000 for,
[1:00:42] which is what we were quoted. So we can
start from here and move forward.
[1:00:47] Additionally, if there were questions
between when it was presented and today,
[1:00:53] I was happy to answer them.
[1:00:55] Thank you.
[1:00:55] And I'm happy to answer them after this
point too, Mr. Chairman.
[1:00:58] All right.
[1:00:59] And thank you all.
[1:00:59] Commissioner Ronsberger. I reckon this is
a question for the attorney, Mark.
[1:01:06] Okay.
[1:01:06] If we pass this, any,
[1:01:07] any committee can bring it up and make any
additions or corrections, correct?
[1:01:13] Additions, subtractions, whatever we need
to do to it, right?
[1:01:18] That's correct. Thank you. Yeah, it's—
yes, sir.
[1:01:21] And it's a very— it is a It's a, it's a
set of— it's, uh,
[1:01:24] it's very open-ended in what it does, and
it doesn't,
[1:01:28] it doesn't prohibit this committee or from
any committee enacting it, you know,
[1:01:33] in via resolution or changing the policy
at any time. I appreciate that.
[1:01:37] Any further discussion? Commissioner
Sumners.
[1:01:40] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:01:41] You know what we, what we talked about at
the Budget Committee meeting the other
[1:01:45] night, Doug, you can correct me if I'm
wrong, but I may have even brought it up,
[1:01:49] but we would, we would be revisiting this
before budget season starts and
[1:01:53] potentially as early every year, as early
as October, November,
[1:01:57] because we don't meet in December. I
believe I actually— It was discussed.
[1:02:01] It was discussed.
[1:02:02] So every year, I mean,
[1:02:04] we will be revisiting this plan and even
throughout the year if we need to,
[1:02:10] for sure. But we definitely will be
meeting— excuse me,
[1:02:15] revisiting this every year for budgetary
purposes as well,
[1:02:20] because it does coincide with some
monetary items as well as how we budget in
[1:02:26] monetary items as well as how we budget in
the
[1:02:27] future and right now, too. So, you know,
there's really no rush here.
[1:02:33] We're—
[1:02:34] it's a—
[1:02:35] like Mr. Romesburg said, it's a living,
breathing document here.
[1:02:40] So, we, you know, we—
[1:02:42] I feel pretty confident we're going to,
you know,
[1:02:44] address other issues that need to be
addressed that's not in—
[1:02:48] that's not necessarily in the plan.
[1:02:50] So we'll take care of that,
[1:02:52] and we'll have year-end discussions on
what we were able to accomplish and what
[1:02:57] what we were able to accomplish and what
we
[1:02:57] weren't able to accomplish and what needs
to be pushed another year or 2 or however
[1:03:03] the funding for those types of things
goes.
[1:03:06] So we'll be able to do all those types of
things for sure. But thank you, Mr.
[1:03:11] Chairman, for letting me speak one more
time. I appreciate that.
[1:03:14] Commissioner Markham.
[1:03:15] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:03:21] My thoughts are ethics and integrity are
core values.
[1:03:25] The strategic plan is more of a vision and
a plan of how to get to
[1:03:31] that vision, but we should all have ethics
and integrity as part
[1:03:36] of our core.
[1:03:38] That's all I want to say.
[1:03:39] Thank you. All right. Any other
discussion? Commissioner Barnes?
[1:03:45] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:03:47] I agree a lot with a lot of the comments
that have been said here tonight about
[1:03:52] that have been said here tonight about
this
[1:03:53] specific subject, and one that stands out
to me is Commissioner Green and the term
[1:03:59] using shelving.
[1:04:01] I agree.
[1:04:02] If this is shelved, It really keeps us in
a stagnant nature of moving forward to a
[1:04:08] more evolving document that this
commission can use and that this county
[1:04:14] commission can use and that this county
can look at
[1:04:14] as a strategic plan.
[1:04:16] Moving forward also helps us in an ending
document of ethics where we can change and
[1:04:22] move towards something that we can all
understand is a direction.
[1:04:27] And I agree, a lot of questions I think
need to be asked of what's on those
[1:04:32] questionnaires. I've gone through those
questionnaires, I've read them myself.
[1:04:38] Some of the answers may have been
confusing or may have not aligned with the
[1:04:43] confusing or may have not aligned with the
answers
[1:04:44] of a previous question, but one thing is
sure,
[1:04:47] a lot of work and a lot of time has been
put into those,
[1:04:51] and real change doesn't necessarily come
from holding things back.
[1:04:56] Sometimes it comes from moving things
forward to make sure that the right change
[1:05:02] occurs. That's my 2 cents.
[1:05:03] Thank you. Doug?
[1:05:05] Thank you for indulging me one more time,
Mr. Chairman.
[1:05:09] This is the last time I'll speak.
[1:05:11] The important part of this plan is also
the monitoring and assessment of it.
[1:05:16] So really, the plan would be this fall to
further develop it so that it's ready for
[1:05:21] budget. And then monitor and assess our
performance against what we've built over
[1:05:27] the year after that, um,
[1:05:28] and continuously kind of take a look at
that as we develop and improve our
[1:05:33] that as we develop and improve our
metrics.
[1:05:33] So, um, if it sits on a shelf and no one
looks at it and nobody works towards those
[1:05:39] goals, failure. If we don't monitor and
assess where we are as a,
[1:05:43] as a group and make changes and adapt,
failure.
[1:05:46] But, um, one of the things that I think is
best about this strategic plan is it
[1:05:51] didn't come from a consultant.
[1:05:53] Right.
[1:05:54] Out of Alabama. It didn't come from a
consultant out of New York.
[1:05:58] It came from the the team that works and
lives in it every day, and you know,
[1:06:03] and that's that's the starting point, and
everybody was invested in it.
[1:06:08] When we tried using a consultant before, I
was like,
[1:06:12] this person's coming in asking questions.
[1:06:14] I have to teach them first what the
sheriff's department does before we get an
[1:06:20] actual usable document, and then.
[1:06:22] Like Commissioner Green had said, it sits
on a shelf somewhere.
[1:06:26] So I think this is an organic start to it
and it gets everybody's buy-in.
[1:06:31] And I can't wait to—
[1:06:33] from a department head level and then this
fall from everybody else's level.
[1:06:38] So I'm excited about what it could be and
to keep the ball rolling.
[1:06:42] Okay. Any— Commissioner Stovall? Thank
you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:06:46] I spoke more tonight than I have in 16
years, but I'm just—
[1:06:50] I'm going to be done. Um, I think it's a
good plan to move forward.
[1:06:55] We can always make changes to it and,
[1:06:57] and address the issues that everybody have
about this plan.
[1:07:01] But like, if we send this back, what's
going to happen is going to end up bam,
[1:07:06] going to happen is going to end up bam,
gone,
[1:07:06] and we ain't going to have anything. So I
say we just move it forward.
[1:07:11] Thank you, Chairman.
[1:07:13] All right, any further discussion?
[1:07:17] Seeing none, we'll vote. Commissioner
Baul.
[1:07:23] Yes, sir. I appreciate that, Mr. Chairman.
[1:07:29] I've reviewed this proposal really close.
[1:07:32] Lots of work put into it, and I think it's
a great plan.
[1:07:36] But I do have a concern about urgency as
far as the technology goes.
[1:07:42] Throughout the document and the
questionnaires,
[1:07:46] it's over and over again about technology,
[1:07:50] the need to review and to revise and to
upgrade and modernize.
[1:07:56] And I know that's something that the, you
know,
[1:08:00] the bad guys are all over technology.
[1:08:03] And this is something that I hope that we
will address.
[1:08:08] Thank you.
[1:08:09] That, I guess that would probably be the
admin committee that would address the
[1:08:16] technology, but the part about needing new
technology and needing to address it is
[1:08:23] very clear, so I'd just like to make that
a point. Any further discussion?
[1:08:29] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:08:42] 20 ayes, 2 nos.
[1:08:44] That passes with 20 ayes and 2 nos.
[1:08:46] We're going to take a short break, be back
in here at 8:10. So thank you.
[1:09:51] That's why I said I couldn't walk
[1:09:58] around. That's right.
[1:10:03] Remember when we used to have
[1:10:09] 24-hour Walmarts?
[1:10:13] Those were
[1:10:20] the days.
[1:10:26] Call for
[1:10:32] questions.
[1:10:39] Hey, do you want me to speak less from the
podium?
[1:10:43] You don't speak much.
[1:10:45] I try to only speak when I need to.
[1:10:48] Gary's right, he tickled me this morning.
[1:10:51] I spoke for 16 minutes.
[1:10:54] Yeah,
[1:10:57] I'm gonna tell
[1:11:06] that to the
[1:11:13] media.
[1:11:16] You're the new
[1:11:25] woman.
[1:11:29] That's what I
[1:11:37] was going to
[1:11:44] ask.
[1:11:47] Would it change anything?
[1:11:49] I think it's
[1:11:57] a question
[1:12:04] Well,
[1:12:08] I think Mark
[1:12:16] will tell
[1:12:22] you,
[1:12:25] our attorney,
[1:12:33] that if it
[1:12:40] was going to
[1:12:48] change
[1:12:52] anything,
[1:12:59] you know, uh,
[1:13:07] Yes, ma'am.
[1:13:15] She wants to put something
[1:13:22] in. That's a first in my
[1:13:29] life. How's everything
[1:13:35] going? It's going. Lots of
[1:13:42] stuff. I've been telling
[1:13:49] everybody about the trap,
[1:13:56] uh, release with the cats.
[1:14:03] Good.
[1:14:04] I've been trying to get the word out.
Good. I appreciate that.
[1:14:10] That's what our little, uh, resumption is
about,
[1:14:14] because if they've never experienced a
cat— Once you see a cat colony,
[1:14:20] you know it's like the worst.
[1:14:23] I had a cat this morning I had to
euthanize that ate We need to test that if
[1:14:30] somebody speaks right in here, can— yeah,
it is. Yeah, I mean, can you hear me?
[1:14:37] Yeah, they can hear all over this room.
[1:14:41] And we're gonna have to tell people to
speak into that microphone.
[1:14:47] I mean, if we turned it that way and
people spoke into the mic.
[1:14:53] So who up here can say that? I'm going to
if I have to. The chair should.
[1:14:59] The chair should, yeah.
[1:15:02] I worked in IT in my past before I moved
back to Murray County. One of us.
[1:15:08] If I had hired somebody in a different
position after they quit in the middle of
[1:15:16] position after they quit in the middle of
a
[1:15:16] big project, they would have hired someone
else. Because it's mine. I'm just saying.
[1:15:23] That's just That's my 2 cents.
[1:15:26] But, well, I don't know because he didn't—
I mean, like, I guess, but I just don't—
[1:15:34] I think if he wanted them, I don't know.
[1:15:38] I just don't— I know I would have been
fired at my job and I've had— that's just—
[1:15:45] and I just hate to feel like that.
[1:15:48] But that, that just— that's the only
decision that alarms me,
[1:15:54] and that's only because I worked in a job
where they scrutinized your moves like
[1:16:01] that. I guess I just have a hard time.
[1:16:05] We can—
[1:16:05] but yeah, I love you no matter— we're
gonna disagree. We disagreed.
[1:16:10] I love you no matter what, but I just— it
concerns me that That particular—
[1:16:15] and I'm only saying that because I
remember, like,
[1:16:19] in my corporate job where people were
like, what in the heck?
[1:16:24] Like, you know, I've made decisions and
people were like,
[1:16:28] what in the heck were you thinking?
[1:16:30] Yeah, well, in art, like, we can— No, I
think I'm just more concerned with like,
[1:16:36] well, like why even have it?
[1:16:38] Like the reliability of the timing of it
quitting after that whole debacle, that,
[1:16:44] that there's just the timing of the quit.
[1:16:47] Like, but other than that, I think
everything's great.
[1:16:51] But that was just really like the time.
And he's a nice person.
[1:16:56] I don't have a problem with him
personally.
[1:16:59] I just, I know like in my, like,
[1:17:01] but whenever I've had jobs and I've I made
a weird decision.
[1:17:06] It was just like, no, like, you know,
[1:17:09] people like were hard on me about it just
because of the timing of it, I guess.
[1:17:14] But I'm like, I don't know. But I'm also
not a Taurus.
[1:22:16] Not just county government, but also the
people that reside here.
[1:22:19] There was some language that, that I had
spoken with Mr.
[1:22:22] Dobies about, and he's done such a good
job in researching this,
[1:22:25] and I just have to applaud the hard work
that he's put in because it's a lot of
[1:22:29] that he's put in because it's a lot of
time
[1:22:29] that he spent looking at these things with
some of the,
[1:22:32] the questions that would come up with the
6th Circuit Court rulings that we have and
[1:22:36] those type of things. But I'd like for Mr.
[1:22:38] Dobies to, to read over what he's amended
the document to.
[1:22:54] I have a motion and a second. So you're
asking him a question?
[1:22:58] Yeah, go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
[1:23:01] So as discussed, I talked with
Commissioner Barnes at length about it,
[1:23:05] and he expressed support and then also
some concerns for privately owned animals,
[1:23:10] basically. So the TNR program,
[1:23:12] as Kim can state far more eloquently than
me with a lot more education, is it's,
[1:23:17] it's about making, making sure that
overpopulation is controlled.
[1:23:21] It's an immense burden on Murray County
resources, and these, these poor animals,
[1:23:26] as was described in public comment, are
often subject to a lot of either, you
[1:23:31] often subject to a lot of either, you
know,
[1:23:31] mistreatment or malnourishment and all
these sorts of things,
[1:23:35] it becomes a huge problem. TNR is a
basically ubiquitous thing statewide.
[1:23:39] It's very successful in other counties,
and I think it's wise and prudent.
[1:23:44] Of course, it's up to this body to adopt.
[1:23:46] That said, I spoke to Commissioner Barnes,
[1:23:49] and then there are others who expressed
concerns as well to make sure that people
[1:23:54] who owned animals weren't subject to TNR
if they didn't want that to happen.
[1:23:58] Basically, let's say they have an animal
and, you know, by accident or
[1:24:03] and, you know, by accident or
happenstance,
[1:24:04] the animal gets picked up and the owner
doesn't want that animal to be spayed or
[1:24:08] neutered, then that's their right. It's
their private animal.
[1:24:12] So what we did, and I spoke with Kim, of
course, too, as, you know,
[1:24:16] the head on this of the department,
[1:24:18] and Kim and I have worked together on a
myriad of things and This is probably the
[1:24:23] biggest one we've worked on. Basically
what I added, you know, pursuant to Mr.
[1:24:28] Barnes' recommendations, were these
protections for these privately owned
[1:24:33] protections for these privately owned
animals.
[1:24:33] In short, there's no sterilization of
known privately owned animals without
[1:24:38] authority. The owner has the right to
object in writing or verbally if they
[1:24:42] object in writing or verbally if they
don't
[1:24:43] want that to occur. There is also an
identification review before we do TNR
[1:24:47] processing. I also added pursuant to, you
know,
[1:24:50] a couple minutes before this meeting
basically, a social media awareness.
[1:24:54] And Kim can probably speak to this better
than I can.
[1:24:58] There's already some interesting websites
where they put animals up there who are
[1:25:03] already up for adoption. It's kind of
cool.
[1:25:05] I didn't know they had like facial
recognition for dogs. It's kind of cool.
[1:25:10] Please do.
[1:25:11] Yeah. So one of the things is that we're
kind of getting caught in the weeds that
[1:25:15] our standard procedure of animals coming
into our shelter is if they're overly
[1:25:20] friendly, and it states right on our
trap-neuter-release forms now,
[1:25:24] if an animal is friendly where it is going
to be subject to, um,
[1:25:28] where it cannot be an outside cat,
[1:25:30] we would automatically bring that in on a
stray hold.
[1:25:34] If it has a collar, we would bring that in
on a stray hold.
[1:25:37] Obviously, we would scan for a microchip.
[1:25:40] When I sent out You know, the email to the
commissioners.
[1:25:44] We had 1,589 cats that came in last year.
18 were reclaimed. That's 1%.
[1:25:49] And the only reason they were reclaimed is
because they were microchipped.
[1:25:53] So we're not looking to go out and, like,
[1:25:56] take people's pets or anything of that
nature.
[1:25:59] We're looking to solve a cat situation
because they can reproduce 4 to 5 times a
[1:26:05] year. And I think that's a great point.
[1:26:07] year, and it is a drain on taxpayer
resources. It also causes a burn.
[1:26:12] It gets into people's—
[1:26:14] into their homes, their foundations.
[1:26:17] Today I was, you know, going to the
dentist,
[1:26:19] and when you get out first thing this
morning,
[1:26:22] all you can smell is the cats spraying in
the morning.
[1:26:26] If you have not been on our website,
[1:26:28] one of the things you should see is that
we have—
[1:26:32] if you've lost or you found an animal to
go Petco Love Lost.
[1:26:37] It has AI technology. Yes, I agree,
technology is all about it.
[1:26:42] And if it recognizes someone in our
shelter on a daily basis,
[1:26:46] that the picture comes up and somebody did
a report,
[1:26:50] it emails me to get in contact with those
people immediately.
[1:26:55] So, you know, if it's somebody's pet, they
should have vet records,
[1:27:00] that it's vaccinated and so forth.
[1:27:02] And, you know, really the,
[1:27:04] the purpose of this program is to help the
strays and cut down population.
[1:27:10] Williamson County has had this in effect
since 2019. It's very, very effective.
[1:27:16] So if anybody else has any questions, I'm
happy to answer.
[1:27:20] Commissioner Romesburg.
[1:27:30] Did we amend this motion any way since it
came from the consent agenda?
[1:27:37] Was there anything added to this motion?
[1:27:40] Okay, wouldn't we need to amend it then?
[1:27:43] Yes. Okay, Mr. Chairman, I move to amend
to the new,
[1:27:48] new version of this amendment.
[1:27:51] I have a motion to amend it to the new
version. Is there a second?
[1:27:57] Seconded by Commissioner Barnes. Any
discussion? Commissioner Sumners.
[1:28:03] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:28:05] What does the amendment do?
[1:28:07] I didn't get a chance to read the—
[1:28:09] what is the amendment? Because I didn't
even hear it.
[1:28:14] He sent an email, but he sent it like
right during the meeting.
[1:28:17] I'm not going to check my email during the
meeting.
[1:28:19] So what does the amendment do? Thank you,
Mr. Chairman.
[1:28:23] Yeah, fair question, Commissioner Summers.
[1:28:26] This was— we basically actioned this over
the weekend,
[1:28:30] so forgive me for the timeline. I can read
what we have. What's the difference?
[1:28:36] The difference is, and the only difference
is, in Section 4,
[1:28:41] it provides protections for privately
owned animals to the to the pet owners.
[1:28:46] Okay.
[1:28:49] Yeah.
[1:28:51] Like, well, so the things— some of the
things that I listed,
[1:28:55] there's no sterilization without prior
authority from the owners.
[1:28:59] There's— the owners may object, just
things of that nature.
[1:29:02] I can read the language, whatever you
need.
[1:29:05] I mean, there's an identification review
before TNR processing,
[1:29:08] which wasn't in there before.
[1:29:10] The social media awareness requirement,
which wasn't in there before.
[1:29:14] There's a holding and redemption period.
[1:29:17] Which should be 3 days, because that's the
straight law, 3 days.
[1:29:21] Yeah, the current language is 7, based on
what I was— 5 days for records of family.
[1:29:26] Yeah, and that can be debated for, you
know, what we need to change.
[1:29:30] But there's a written protocol section,
and then there's, you know,
[1:29:34] protects the waiver of lawful enforcement,
like, you know,
[1:29:38] So it's just strictly in there to make
sure that TNR doesn't go beyond the bounds
[1:29:43] and start to infringe on people's private
pet rights.
[1:29:47] Okay. So are you okay with this amendment?
[1:29:53] I mean, the whole point of the red—
[1:30:00] we have been doing TNR for, you know,
forever.
[1:30:04] But this just sums up and puts into
writing what has actually been happening,
[1:30:10] and it actually covers Murray County by
having checks and balances.
[1:30:16] I mean, the language that is added does
not change it because it's really just
[1:30:22] not change it because it's really just
what
[1:30:22] we do anyway. It's—
[1:30:24] and we—
[1:30:24] if we—
[1:30:25] again, if we had a cat with a collar, it
would be held on a stray hold.
[1:30:29] If we had an animal that's chipped,
[1:30:32] it would be held for 5 days because that's
what the law is.
[1:30:36] And if we had an animal that seemed overly
friendly,
[1:30:39] we would hold it on a stray hold and then
just fix it in 3 days versus right away.
[1:30:45] Is this amendment going to, I guess,
[1:30:48] prevent you from doing your job in a
timely manner? I can work with it.
[1:30:52] It's not ideal, but I mean, I'd rather see
it pass.
[1:30:56] Okay, then tell us why it's not ideal for
you.
[1:30:58] Because majority of the time, the animals
that come in are not friendly.
[1:31:03] They're coming in traps for a reason.
[1:31:06] The whole purpose of the TNR is to trap,
neuter, and release it out that day.
[1:31:11] But again, we have provisions, and if, you
know, the language helps it pass,
[1:31:16] it works for me because we would have did
that anyway.
[1:31:19] Okay, so it does— it does— it will be
okay? It will be okay. All right, thank
[1:31:24] okay? It will be okay. All right, thank
you.
[1:31:25] Any other discussion on the amendment?
[1:31:30] Seeing none, we'll vote on the amendment.
[1:31:36] I didn't—
[1:31:38] we didn't get a second.
[1:31:39] Did we not get a— can I get a second?
[1:31:44] Commissioner Cohen. I think we did,
[1:31:49] but—
[1:31:50] I don't know. Barnes did. That's true.
[1:31:53] Was it Barnes or Coen?
[1:31:55] Yeah, originally. Barnes made the motion.
[1:32:01] Yeah, he did.
[1:32:03] Barnes made the motion and Coen seconded
it.
[1:32:06] Yes.
[1:32:09] Commissioner
[1:32:18] Morrow.
[1:32:23] 21 aye, 1 no.
[1:32:26] All right. That's 21 in the affirmative
with 1 no. So the amendment passes.
[1:32:31] So we'll now vote on the amendment— the
motion as amended. Any discussion on that?
[1:32:37] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:32:39] Please
[1:32:43] vote.
[1:32:46] 22 ayes.
[1:32:51] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
Uh, 09-2636, Mr. Dobies.
[1:32:58] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:33:00] Resolution 092636 is a resolution of the
Murray County Board of Commissioners to
[1:33:07] amend the official zoning map rezoning
taps map 021,
[1:33:11] parcel 052.00 and parcel 054.00 to include
a non-residential planned development
[1:33:17] rural retreat commonly known as Snow Creek
Ranch containing approximately 245.29
[1:33:23] acres.
[1:33:24] I got a motion by Commissioner Combs,
[1:33:27] seconded by Commissioner Kuzawinski.
[1:33:29] Is there any discussion on this one? Is
there any public comment?
[1:33:34] No.
[1:33:35] No. We'll vote.
[1:33:36] Please vote.
[1:33:37] Chad, you have a comment?
[1:33:41] I had a question. Okay,
[1:33:45] go ahead.
[1:33:47] And the question was, have all the
stipulations been met?
[1:33:49] Because they had a list of things that
they were supposed to accomplish.
[1:34:25] Wayne, can you turn your mic on?
[1:34:26] Testing. Oh, there it goes. Uh, Kelsey
McGee, T-Square Engineering.
[1:34:31] I'm here representing the applicant for
this project, um, as the design engineer.
[1:34:36] Um, so most of the items, um, that were
listed from Planning Commission, um,
[1:34:42] have either been addressed either in
conversation,
[1:34:45] or many of them are just by nature going
to be addressed in the construction
[1:34:51] process. And the development of the
construction document and design process.
[1:34:56] And they will align with the regulations
in place here in the county.
[1:35:01] And there have been some conversations
with staff to ensure that they are met in
[1:35:07] hand with what is reasonable for the
development,
[1:35:10] such as the pond specifically and fire
protection standards that we are certainly
[1:35:16] going to abide by as well and thoroughly
as we can for the property.
[1:35:20] Is that it, Commissioner Green?
Commissioner Romesburg.
[1:35:27] I've—
[1:35:29] when I read it, I noticed you had—
[1:35:30] you put in for a helipad up there where in
case for an emergency where you could
[1:35:34] land life flight.
[1:35:35] Am I correct?
[1:35:36] Um, I believe so. Yes, sir.
[1:35:39] Well, my question is up—
[1:35:42] and this is going to be around Santa Fe,
correct?
[1:35:45] Yes, sir. Okay.
[1:35:46] I was with Civil Defense and real fire for
years.
[1:35:49] Landing a helicopter in Santa Fe is rough.
[1:35:51] Would it be possible for our EMS and our
county fire to use that helipad for other
[1:35:56] emergencies?
[1:35:57] I don't want to speak on behalf of the
clients,
[1:36:01] but I am getting a not affirmative that
that would
[1:36:06] be—
[1:36:06] As long as there's a chance we could use
it. I just had that question.
[1:36:09] I appreciate it.
[1:36:10] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No other
discussion? All right.
[1:36:15] So we— I think we've already voted, but if
you hadn't voted,
[1:36:20] go ahead and vote.
[1:36:35] 20 aye, 2 no.
[1:36:37] That passes with 20 in the affirmative
with
[1:36:42] 2 no. All right, 09-2637, Attorney Dobies.
[1:36:46] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Resolution
09-2637 is Daryl W. and Beverly A.
[1:36:51] Mazeline— apologies if I butcher your
name—
[1:36:54] rezoning of approximately 15 acres of
property located at 2626 Double Branch
[1:37:00] property located at 2626 Double Branch
Road,
[1:37:00] Columbia, Tennessee 38401,
[1:37:02] from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.
[1:37:08] Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 067, Parcel 011.00.
[1:37:13] I have a motion by Commissioner Sumners,
[1:37:17] seconded by Commissioner Green.
[1:37:21] Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:37:33] Vote. 22 aye.
[1:37:35] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092638, Mr. Dobbs.
[1:37:41] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092638 is, uh,
Teresa F. Sparks, Jonathan E.
[1:37:45] Sparks, Jonathan D. Sparks, and Lauren E.
[1:37:48] Sparks, uh, rezoning of approximately
17.40 acres of property located at 3090E
[1:37:53] Sheepneck Road, Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,
[1:37:56] from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.
[1:38:01] Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.00.
[1:38:05] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
[1:38:10] seconded by Commissioner Green. Is there
any discussion on this one?
[1:38:17] Public comment? Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:38:21] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092639, Mr. Dobies.
[1:38:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:38:29] 092639 is Sheepneck Valley LLC rezoning of
approximately 94.57 acres of property
[1:38:34] located at 3083 East Sheepneck Road,
Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,
[1:38:38] from Residential General District to
Agricultural Preservation District.
[1:38:43] The property is further identified as
County Tax Map 180, Parcel 021.01.
[1:38:48] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,
[1:38:52] seconded by Commissioner Cohen.
[1:38:55] Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:39:02] Passes with 22 in the affirmative. 092640,
Attorney Dobbs.
[1:39:08] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:39:09] 092640 is 2021 Sparks Community Property
Trust rezoning of approximately 105.28
[1:39:15] acres of property located at 3192 East
Sheepneck Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,
[1:39:20] from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.
[1:39:26] Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 182, Parcel 004.02.
[1:39:30] I have a motion by Commissioner Strand,
seconded by Commissioner Green.
[1:39:34] Is there any discussion on this one?
[1:39:36] No.
[1:39:37] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:39:38] Please vote.
[1:39:54] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
092642, Attorney Dobies.
[1:39:59] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 092641—
[1:40:03] 41, excuse me.
[1:40:07] Okay, Resolution 092641 is Mike Foster Uh,
[1:40:10] rezoning of approximately 47.64 acres of
property located at 2691 East Sheepneck
[1:40:16] Road, Calioca, Tennessee 38451,
[1:40:18] from Residential General District to AP
Agriculture Preservation District.
[1:40:23] Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 008.00.
[1:40:27] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Green.
[1:40:32] Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:40:36] Please vote.
[1:40:37] That passes with 22 in the
[1:40:42] affirmative. 092642, Mr.
[1:40:47] Dobies.
[1:40:48] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:40:50] 092642, Christopher Grambling, rezoning of
approximately 37 acres of property, uh,
[1:40:55] located at 1001 East Sheepneck Road,
Cullioca, Tennessee 38451,
[1:40:59] from Residential General District to AP
Agricultural Preservation District.
[1:41:04] Property is further identified as County
Tax Map 180, Parcel 022.00.
[1:41:08] I have a motion by Commissioner Markham,
seconded by Commissioner Cohen.
[1:41:11] Is there any discussion on this one?
[1:41:13] No.
[1:41:14] Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:41:16] Please
[1:41:22] vote.
[1:41:27] 22 aye.
[1:41:34] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
09-2643, Mr.— Attorney Dobies.
[1:41:42] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:41:43] Resolution 09-2643 is a resolution
approving the newly elected constable
[1:41:47] approving the newly elected constable
bonds.
[1:41:47] I have a motion by Commissioner Holt,
[1:41:50] seconded by Commissioner Brothers.
[1:41:52] Is there any discussion on this one?
Seeing none, we'll vote.
[1:41:56] Please vote. 22 ayes.
[1:42:02] That passes with 22 in the affirmative.
[1:42:06] 09-26-43, Attorney Dobies. That was, that
was pulled.
[1:42:11] That was pulled. Okay. All right, public
comment.
[1:42:15] Is there anyone who would like to make
public comment?
[1:42:21] Come on up, sir. State your name and your
district, please.
[1:42:26] Jordan Rowden, District 9. Nothing too
spicy.
[1:42:29] I'd request for— on behalf of
commissioners and also on behalf of the
[1:42:34] commissioners and also on behalf of the
public,
[1:42:34] if at the beginning of the meetings when
we're giving the committee reports,
[1:42:39] come on, a 30-second summary of what y'all
talked about.
[1:42:42] That would help us It would help your
fellow commissioners,
[1:42:46] because they may not have had time to look
at your notes and your and your minutes
[1:42:51] and whatnot. Thirty seconds—not a lot to
ask.
[1:42:54] There's a lot of technology that can help
you summarize transcripts.
[1:42:58] Super easy to do. That's all. That's all
that.
[1:43:01] I would encourage the process in the
future when we're talking about voting for
[1:43:05] nominees for various and sundry
appointments that they defaults to voting
[1:43:10] individually. People are individuals.
[1:43:12] People have different skill sets,
different experience, different
[1:43:16] different experience, different
backgrounds.
[1:43:17] They're unique, and each deserves to know
individually where they sit with respect
[1:43:22] to belief in their adequacy as nominees
for the role,
[1:43:25] rather than wondering if they were voted
in due to riding on the coattails of
[1:43:30] someone else who may have been a bit more
skilled and whatnot.
[1:43:34] That was great that we did it tonight.
[1:43:36] Honestly, I think y'all did a disservice
to Mr. Calderaro.
[1:43:40] Um, there was— there's a specter of
negativity over him,
[1:43:43] and rather than deferring and taking time
to investigate further,
[1:43:47] you took 5 minutes, 10 minutes to kind of
poke at it, and then you move forward.
[1:43:52] 6 folks voted against.
[1:43:54] Now you have somebody who's in the role
who has the specter,
[1:43:57] both publicly and with you, of having
issues.
[1:44:00] And those may not be even real issues, but
now he's got that.
[1:44:04] That's not fair to him. Y'all did a
disservice.
[1:44:07] Lastly, does anybody know what Tate
Township is?
[1:44:10] Anybody know who that is or where that is?
[1:44:12] Do y'all know we're spending—
[1:44:14] we spent $250,000 on this consulting firm
to help with the planning,
[1:44:18] the Regional Planning Commission, right,
with the whole land use plan?
[1:44:23] The Phase 1 document that they shared,
that's one of their big deliverables,
[1:44:27] it referenced Tate Township twice.
[1:44:29] Not because, hey, let's, let's see what
they're doing,
[1:44:33] but Because they copy-pasted or had
boilerplate or just used a template and
[1:44:37] boilerplate or just used a template and
forgot
[1:44:38] to remove names out of it. 20-plus
misspellings and grammatical errors.
[1:44:42] A $250,000 project when one of the first
primary deliverables has— honestly,
[1:44:47] the boilerplate is the worst thing. How
much of that is copy-paste?
[1:44:51] How much of it is not really doing their
due diligence to provide a good product?
[1:44:56] So recommendation for y'all is Let's
continue to engage with the committees and
[1:45:01] continue to engage with the committees and
the
[1:45:01] commissions that do that work, and let's
do better.
[1:45:04] We're already behind schedule on that
already.
[1:45:07] We have the moratorium on building that's
disappearing soon.
[1:45:11] $250,000 so far, not feeling like it's
very well spent. That's all. Thank you.
[1:45:15] All right. Any other public comment? Come
on up.
[1:45:23] Katie Martin, District 10.
[1:45:25] I didn't plan to speak because in my brain
on the way here, everything was great.
[1:45:31] And it is great. And y'all, there's just—
it really bothered me when we— well,
[1:45:36] when y'all voted for Mr. Robert on the
Regional Planning Commission. I think Mr.
[1:45:42] Robert is a really great person, really
nice. I have no personal problems with
[1:45:47] nice. I have no personal problems with
him.
[1:45:48] He's never done anything to me.
[1:45:50] However, I've— before moving back to Marie
County,
[1:45:53] I worked at a large-scale distribution
center,
[1:45:57] and I did a lot of hiring and firing in my
role there.
[1:46:00] So in my role, I oversaw different
projects.
[1:46:04] Some were more complex and lengthy than
others.
[1:46:07] And I can tell you that if I had an
employee under me quit in the middle of an
[1:46:12] extensive project that the company paid
$250,000 for,
[1:46:16] and then I turned around and hired him in
another role,
[1:46:20] they would fire me because it's not
something that people in the private
[1:46:25] something that people in the private
sector
[1:46:26] respect. And I don't understand why
government sector doesn't have higher
[1:46:31] government sector doesn't have higher
scrutiny.
[1:46:31] I understand he has a lot of job
knowledge.
[1:46:34] But in my opinion, he quit after a mistake
or discrepancy was found in a zoning
[1:46:40] matter. And it was like a 30-day
turnaround.
[1:46:43] And you're in the middle of a
comprehensive land use plan that's been a
[1:46:48] comprehensive land use plan that's been a
nightmare
[1:46:49] from the start. It's been a horrible waste
of money.
[1:46:53] I could have probably have you— have had
you a complete one for about $30,000.
[1:46:58] And And I could probably run it through
chat and have it for you today.
[1:47:03] But we spent $250,000 on an out-of-state
company using AI,
[1:47:07] and they don't even have the due diligence
to take out errors in it.
[1:47:12] And I mean, and when you would go to the
meetings,
[1:47:16] it looks like something that I put
together in a science fair in 5th grade.
[1:47:21] Maybe, maybe y'all should get together
next time and consult with the citizens
[1:47:26] next time and consult with the citizens
and
[1:47:27] get like a board together of just regular
people.
[1:47:30] And it might be more cost-effective for
the county,
[1:47:34] and maybe it would actually get done in a
timely fashion.
[1:47:38] I mean, that's a lot of money. That would
have more than paid off my house.
[1:47:43] And I mean, that's just— it just blows my
mind.
[1:47:46] And then it just blows my mind again that
this person who quit in the middle of this
[1:47:52] project is appointed to the Regional
Planning Commission.
[1:47:57] If he wanted to remain on the Regional
Planning Commission, he could have done
[1:48:02] Planning Commission, he could have done
so.
[1:48:02] at his job as the director of planning.
I'm sorry.
[1:48:06] I know that's not a popular opinion,
[1:48:08] and I don't have any hate towards anybody
on here. I think highly of all of y'all.
[1:48:14] I just wanted to put my 2 cents out there
about it. Thanks.
[1:48:18] Thank you. All right. Is there any
announcements? Commissioner Sumners.
[1:48:26] Speaking of the land use comprehensive
land use plan,
[1:48:30] there is a meeting this Thursday, I
believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this
[1:48:35] believe it's the 24th, at 5:30 in this
room.
[1:48:35] So I just wanted to make everybody aware
of that and that people that want to come
[1:48:40] can come.
[1:48:41] Commissioner Strahan.
[1:48:43] I'm going to remind everybody on the
commission as well as those in the
[1:48:49] audience that Kim's still looking for a
couple— what,
[1:48:54] 200,000 or 2,000 square feet for storage
in December.
[1:48:58] for about 6 months. We're— we've been
looking all over town,
[1:49:04] we're finding nothing.
[1:49:07] So if anybody could help us for a couple
thousand square feet—
[1:49:10] do we know anything about climate control
yet?
[1:49:14] We— yeah, it will require climate control
too.
[1:49:17] So if you can help us, uh, it's, it's
going to be a hot item here pretty soon.
[1:49:23] Thank you.
[1:49:23] Okay, Madam Mayor.
[1:49:25] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to
address that, uh, Mr.
[1:49:29] Calderero took a job that he has wanted
for a long time. It is a better paying
[1:49:35] for a long time. It is a better paying
job.
[1:49:35] It's something anybody would want to do.
And he's been working with Mr.
[1:49:41] Spears for many years at GM, and they are
good friends.
[1:49:45] And he's been looking for that job and
hoping for that job for a while.
[1:49:50] So it's not like he just quit in the
middle of—
[1:49:53] I see you shaking your head and you think
that.
[1:49:57] Because he has a very good offer, which
most people would do. Excuse me.
[1:50:02] All right. Okay.
[1:50:06] Go ahead, Commissioner
[1:50:10] Phelps.
[1:50:12] As someone that knows Robert very well,
[1:50:15] I know how long he's been looking for that
job.
[1:50:18] He didn't just quit for any reason, for
any project.
[1:50:21] at all, and I know this very well. So I,
I'd just like to say that for the record.
[1:50:27] Robert has total integrity and would never
have left for any other reason other than
[1:50:32] a better opportunity for his family.
[1:50:35] I do not appreciate the insinuation, and
that's all I have to say.
[1:50:39] All right, motion. I have a motion to
adjourn from Commissioner Sumner,
[1:50:43] seconded by Commissioner Romesburg. We're
adjourned.