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Thanks. Um, sorry everyone. I think we
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» can you give us a
>> Oh, you can hear us?

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» Yep. Yeah, back.
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Question number four.

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» Hey, Jim, can you give me um an audio
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I think we may have had a power
power issue. So, I just heard a UPS

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device go off.
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» everything looks frozen.
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Oh,
>> can you hear us, Annie?

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Can we get another audio

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check, please?
>> I can hear you. Yeah.

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» Sorry, we're having power surges here at
town hall. At least it's not a water

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issue here this week.
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» volcano
gas next week.

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» Okay. Um, so what I've taken from this
meeting, Jim, is um um some

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uh changes to the the parking canopy
area to as we discussed.

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Um was there any other changes requested
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» They got a walkway.
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within the garage,
>> right? has it um changed

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update the so that the

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sorry I think we're still having issues

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here guys. Um Jim, two the two changes
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feature and the walkway that so that it
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parking spot under under the building

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» have contingent upon

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» or
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I think we have the evidence.
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we need to folks to
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the canopy.

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Would the board be okay with a update to
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somebody.
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» We would need to see design changes in
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other comments from the board. Do you
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Well, I'm going to do it.

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» Anybody missing a 16 wall cam launch?
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» Good.

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» What's a better story?

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orthopedic.

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» Is that okay? It's a small fractional.

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No, that that seems if it's small.
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Seems
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» That's true.
>> Mr. Chair.

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» All right. I will open up this meeting
of the Maynard Planning Board. Today's

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date is September 8th, 2026. The time is
7:02 p.m. Uh, all members of the

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planning board are here in town hall.
Uh, this meeting is being held in hybrid

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format, which means that members of the
board, the public or applicants can

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participate here in town hall or or
virtually through the Zoom link. And

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please note this meeting is being
recorded.

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Bill, um,
we'll skip item one minutes. Okay. Were

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you anticipating going right to item
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» Um I'm sorry.
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» Okay, you can do that. Um
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are our is the applicant here or
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» Um yes, Mr. Clemens is here and
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» All right. Then I will uh open up the
open up the public hearing for 16

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Waltham Street. This is a continuence
from August 25th 5th, 2026.

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And this is an application filed by
um Mr. Daniel Souza and council.

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» Bill, do you want to give us a primer
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» and then we'll turn it over to the
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meeting or um going further back on that
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» Okay.
>> The status since the last meeting.

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» Yes. So there were some questions
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particular
details of the site including parking

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and um snow storage. some modifications
were were requested of the applicant to

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show an updated plan and um the
applicant has provided an updated site

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plan which changes the parking
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I'll pull that up on the screen.

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Okay.
So the modified site plan uh now

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includes
three angle parking spaces on the right

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side of the site, two tandem spaces
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of the retaining wall. Um
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most area of parking or the end of
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retaining wall. Um

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At this point,
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applicants council?
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you or Bill, then yes.
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» We made the trip over just a research
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We did make a trip over and I just sent
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photographs. I'll attach it just to kind
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women's face.
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the applicants council and just
reminder, if you could identify yourself

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for the record, please.
>> Absolutely. Good evening, planning

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board. Uh my name is Ryan Clemens of RIW
at 255 State Street in Boston. Here

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tonight on behalf of Daniel Souza, the
owner of 16 Waltham Street. And as was

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just summarized, we previously presented
our application for special permit and

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site plan review to the board after
hearing comments back about the

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configuration of parking and other
details. We've since updated the site

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plan to show the six parking spaces, the
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storage, and the snow storage as well.
And I want to note too that the two

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tandem spots in the driveway are how is
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the property and that the owner Daniel
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so there is no coordination across units
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of that configuration. He plans to keep
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well. And then the other tenants have
the use of the easier um spots. And uh

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» Your audio is dropping out a little bit.
>> Yep. Um Mr. Mr. Clemens, um can you just

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back up about 15 seconds and repeat it?
We had some trouble with your audio.

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» Sure. I'm hearing a bit of um static on
my end, but sometimes when I talk it

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goes down. Hopefully, you can hear me
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let the board's comments address and
happy to answer any more questions

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tonight. Looking to close out the uh
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the site plan review.
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» Um
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Um the um
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for the zoning requirements. They they
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explicit?
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» Um what you could do for the uh you said
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parking dimensions.
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» Yeah. the planning board. Uh in this
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a special permit if they choose to for
multifamily and approving the site plan

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amendments dated as whatever as a
special permit granting authority uh

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planning board can approve uh for um
parking specifically under the parking

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section of zoning bylaws. So that would
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deviation from the zoning mile.
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plan since it shows the dimensions do
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Is it is it implicit in the site plan or
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actual waiver that gets voted on?
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quickly note that the parking dimensions
do uh comply with the bylaw. there the

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compact small space dimensions and there
is nothing in the bylaw that prevents

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that for this site for this number of
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Mr. I'm just curious I want to make sure
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permanent waiver but uh is the are the
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I thought there was a um it's only
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I I could be wrong. Let me look real
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» Yeah. And we're out at the uh four units
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between the um the compact spaces and
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aren't the residential use here. I said
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» Okay. Um while Bill looks into that,
what other questions from the board?

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» Um just the general comment of
you know there's not a lot of

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maneuverability in the
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protect the sidewalk.
Um, maybe a little fence railing or I

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think um earlier Bill Nezer had uh you
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uh plantings there in in pots.

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Um some something that would protect the
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maneuver out these tight spaces.
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property.
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cut whatever the 24 ft for the curb cut
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» Um m Mr. Clemens, did you did you hear
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could be amendable to the applicant?
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applicant. I just want to note too that
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the turnaround angles and radiuses
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note too that the um that the sidewalk
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uh black line. So there's um even with
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to the sidewalk there they would have
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other questions or comments from the
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um where
I I can't seem to find the the lights

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located on this figure. It's just at the
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» So, the lights are
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beige.
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slightly left of that and then uh
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garage.
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» I would just say,
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to that parking question?
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uh Mr. Clemen's um I I understand but I
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Um but that it's parking facilities for
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where there's a greater number than 40
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That was my understanding of section
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that the the easiest way to address this
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permit and approve the parking as
depicted in exhibit A, which would be

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the revised site plan. It it it just
makes it tidy. Now, do you Does that

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make sense to you, Mr. Clemens?
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that, whatever is easiest is best for us
as well. I don't know if you saw what

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I'm talking about, but I believe that
that's the way I read it. And that was

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my understanding for compact cars, but
um our our reading was that um this is a

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residential use and parking facility
doesn't fall within that. It's a um a

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parking it's not for uh commercial use
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uh large public parking lot. Uh so there
is no specific requirement between the

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um the small and the standard other than
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size the sizes which the uh bylaw has
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» um okay well that's just a you know but
I think the tidiest way to do it um and

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as we're trying to just bring this you
know the applicants been working hard

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enough to get hope he's on
um to get u make this compliant and I I

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think that would just tidy it up in the
easiest way Mr. chair. That would be my

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suggestion. Um and and the way I would
would be inclined to do that would be

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that the uh planning board grants uh
approves the parking plan as um

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presented in the applicant site plan
dated such and such and will attaches

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exhibit one the special permit. I I
think it just

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» that would be my suggestion and if uh
Mr. I'm just good with that and I would

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say that would be
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in the special permit.
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» yeah, that makes sense as well.

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» And and I just want to confirm I think
the applicant said that uh the

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dimensions are such that it does not
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» I believe so. with the um looking at the
plan that six spot would be the closest

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to the street. You can see that this
would be able to back out um and go uh

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parallel to the street uh by the
driveway to the garage at which point it

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can turn out slightly and uh see the
full street without having to pull into

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the sidewalk or the road at that point.
>> Okay. I'm I'm just making sure that you

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know from a potential approval of the
site plan, we're not approving backing

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out on Waltham Street having six.
>> No, I don't think in the um none of the

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spots have
that challenge or that difficulty. It

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would be enough. Any of them would have
enough room to either on the first try

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back out to have a view and the access
to just drive straight or to um to

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reorient themselves to not have to back
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» Okay.
And uh I believe um

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oh no sorry different.

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» Does the board want to request um
some type of device to protect the

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sidewalk as mentioned earlier?

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» Bill, what were you thinking?
I thought someers

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» I thought some small planters would
serve two purposes. It would protect the

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sidewalk but it also softens the view a
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» and I think if the applicant was willing
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» Um I think there's room there and I
think that would be a good mitigation

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and it would look nice. Um it could be
something that the board could uh if

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they wanted to look at it after one of
the board bees designated to approve it.

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But I think a a good planner would look
nice in that area would be my opinion. I

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think it also would help define the snow
storage so it doesn't get

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» that's a good question property.
>> That's a good point too.

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» That was my question to um this comment
on the planners in the in the same uh

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same consideration of not backing out
onto the street and having enough room

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to turn around as well as access to the
snow storage area. Um,

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also from the uh

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that wouldn't that wouldn't impede where
the snow was going to go and where cars

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and where uh uh pedestrians would go.
Where on the plan were you thinking

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those would go?
>> Well, just in in the um so could you

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pull that up, please? And um I just on
the little doodle I sent you guys um

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um it it was just right uh just
basically where the snow storage is just

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some I I just proposed some planners to
the um

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» if you share that screen Zoe I can
describe it.

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I think the thought is to place a
planter or two

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immediately below the phrase snow
storage area along the sidewalk. As we

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know, the curbs in that area are just
pretty low. So, I think a um

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differentiation between the sidewalk and
the parking lot would be useful. And so

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if there were just a planter that could
be moved when necessary, you know, if

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you were doing some work, but that would
remain there to delineate the property

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line would might be useful.
>> Yeah, I would also have a planter that

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extends the length of the sidewalk up to
the curb cut. You can see the

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You can see the curb there.
So, right curve, right?

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» Yep.
>> Yeah. I mean that curve cuts offset from

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the sidewalk. It's a little farther up
than that, too. I don't think it'd be a

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solid line. I mean, just three or four
maybe.

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» Uh board, would this be as a mitigation?
>> I think it would improve the pedestrian

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experience.
>> That's a Okay.

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Um, when it comes to the dimensions of
the parking spaces, I don't have any

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concerns.

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» Bill, how do we close this hearing with
with this concept?

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» Um, what would what we would do would be
there's a number of people on on the uh

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Zoom that might want to speak. I don't
and uh I don't have anybody in here. So

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if anybody I don't know if anybody hears
for this project.

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» I will open up for for public comment in
a minute. But how do we close this

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hearing with um with this concept of
planters?

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» Well, we just added as condition
>> just a condition

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» and I would say that
there's some I would say one of the

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board to approve it after if they wanted
to look at it or staff.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» I would say town staff on this one.
>> Yeah. I think is completely appropriate.

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So, Mr. Clemens, the the the condition
that's being would be proposed by the

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board would be to add planters as um as
discussed

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um as a condition and then approved in
the field by town staff.

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Do you have any concern about that?

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as long as the um as the planters don't
interfere with the use of the driveway

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for safe ingress and egress and for snow
storage.

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I think both of those can be maintained
and I think that is that is the um

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uh that is the concept here right so
egress shall not be um impeded snow

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storage may be used and the addition of
some type of small planting

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um to distinguish and delineate that
area

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as a Any

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other comments from the board?

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Um, Bill, I'll let's open up the public
comment. Uh, if there's members of the

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public uh that would like to comment on
this project virtually. If you're on the

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Zoom call, please use the raise hand
feature or raise your hand and we will

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call on you. And Bill, I don't believe
there's any members of the public here

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to give public comment in town hall. Is
that correct?

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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Um I'm not seeing any public comments on
the Zoom. Is that correct, Bill?

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» I don't see any. Anybody have Last
chance, would you raise your hand,

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please? Use the raise hand feature if
you'd like to speak.

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» Um all right. U before I close, Mr.
Clemen, is there any additional

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information that you or the applicant
would like to present to the board at

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this time?
I believe we've covered every update

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since the uh last meeting and since our
initial presentation and uh the board

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doesn't have any other questions. We're
we're set to

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board.
>> Nope.

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» All right. I'll make a motion to close
the hearing.

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» Second. All in favor to close the
hearing, please raise your hand. That's

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50 to close the hearing. bill.
Um

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the request here so I'm clear is
a

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special permit and site plan review.
Correct.

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» The um Mr. Chair, the request is for the
special permit for multif family use in

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the in the DoD, but for a modification
of the previously approved site plan

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dated
July

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uh

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7, 1987.

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Okay. So, it's a modification of site
plan and a special permit for four unit

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residential
>> multi family use.

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» Multi family use.
>> Is that a DoD special permit?

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» Yes.

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» All right. I'm going to try to make a
motion. Um

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I will make a motion to um
let's see.

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Um, I I make a motion to find that the
um that the applicant's presentation and

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application
presented during the hearing um has met

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the requirements of a special permit for
the downtown Overlay district for a

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4unit multifamily use
uh as well as uh a modification of a

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site plan dated from July 7th, 1986. 7
um updated to the site plan presented in

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this public hearing including tonight
which is dated

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um
I have June 3rd 2026 but there I believe

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there's an updated date on that
>> 94

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» there is yep um with revision of
uh September 2nd 2026

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as presented tonight labeled the concept
plan of land. Um, including in this

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motion is a condition for planters that
were discussed along the property

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boundary adjacent to the sidewalk within
the snow storage area.

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Um, to distinguish the uh sidewalk
from from the um the egress itself.

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» Is there Oh.
waiver. Any other special permits?

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» Uh if we're I would say the um the
approved the special permit approves the

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site plan and um
my reference and as um an exhibit.

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» Yep. And the special permit um also
approves the site plan as um as its

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first exhibit.

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» Do we have to say that it meets the
conditions of the 10.4? for special

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permit as well or just the DoD special
permit.

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» I don't know.
>> We should we should we should

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» it should it should include them.
>> Okay. So the motion was that it met the

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special permit criteria of the downtown
Overlay district which is 9.4. I al this

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motion also will find that the special
permit meets the criteria of the general

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special permit criteria of of section
10.4

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of our um zoning bylaws.

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And that is the motion.
>> I'll second that.

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» All in favor of the motion, please raise
your hand. That's 50 to approve. Mr.

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Clemens, uh, thank you for your time.
Um, and thank you to your applicant.

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» Thank you all very much.
>> Okay.

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» All right, Bill. Um,
item three. Let's continue the public

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hearing for 26 Powdermill Road. This is
a continuence from August 25th, 2026.

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This is a request for modification of a
special permit and site plan um from uh

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Adam Stack ASMC LLC.
Um and this this is a continuence of the

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discussion from our last meeting. Um
Bill, do you want to give us an update

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and then we'll turn it over? I believe
we have we had some design comments to

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work through.
>> Yes, we have.

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» So, we'll turn it over to the design
group um the design teams after your

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comments.
So at our last uh meeting um we worked

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our way through a number of uh the uh
design changes um

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which were um there was a couple of
aspects regarding location lighting uh

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and a couple of um modifications
regarding the or clarifications

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regarding the entrance on powder mill
where there's a question of

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um a recess
being added to to the uh entrance to the

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structure. Um the applicant has provided
a an updated um site plan. Uh the the

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the site plan is provided last week uh
didn't have the um the clouding that the

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board had asked for caused a little bit
of delay, but we do have that uh I

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believe here with everything clouded
changes clouded. Um reviewing um before

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we turn it over um to the applicant just
to um refresh the board um this is a

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modification existing site plan special
permit that was

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uh centered on building design largely.
So there is um no change to the

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footprint. Uh any changes that are
highlighted I'll leave to the arctic and

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um the applicant to explain. Uh the only
other addition that the board um

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uh
requested was clarification also on the

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bike rack area which is called out as
well. Now it's in the same basic area

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but with that um we also did speak to
the the uh fire department. I did uh

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and um
uh the applicants speak to that but in

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general everything is um would remain
the same as the original approval with

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that which for the rollup design the
builder would work with the uh fire

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chief to on the specifics the dimensions
uh are are um we speak to that but

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they're adequate for the ambulance um
the ladder truck um is it I think the uh

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fire chief's comment addressed that it's
not proposed to go in to build and um

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with that I think I turn it over to um
the applicant uh James

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good evening Mr. chairman, members of
the board, uh Jim Jokus, architect with

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Jokus Architecture Incorporated. Uh I
just want to go over exactly what the

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chairman had mentioned. Uh just
share screen. I think that's the

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easiest.
>> Let's send a request to share screen.

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» Y
okay. Thank you.

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And uh let's see.

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So

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as mentioned
the clouded area is shown on the site

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plans showing the bike rack here. We
also

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in the rendering you see the bike rack
here as well

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regarding
um what rendering are we looking

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» sure
>> this is wallan street

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oh uh is it not shared
>> we're still on the clouded drawing

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that's clouded
>> okay here we Ah, thank you.

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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» So, the bike rack here.
All right. Um, also in this rendering,

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you'll see that the
uh the rendering has been adjusted to

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show the proper location of this
screening element here

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uh in line with the face of the building
here.

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Just going to flip to another
back to this drawing

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here. So

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just a little. Okay. So this these are
the proposed screening area and the two

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columns that are proposed to be removed
slid back to the proposed face of the

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new building. So it's shown here the new
privacy screen location.

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Uh the next item
is that since

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this column right here is being removed
Loretta here and I've got a bet writing

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on this

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» the
column here

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is gone. So therefore,

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um there is no light.
So there's no light to mount on the

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column. So the light is being removed.
So we just wanted to make sure that was

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well noted.
Um

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also that the other two lights
underneath the proposed walkway

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are shown here. their same lights as
underneath the parking as the original

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approved lights which all lights shall
be in accordance with um the dark sky

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compliance.

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Um
line item four for us.

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Uh it's also the where the calls
removed. Oh, let's see. Five.

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Okay, we just wanted to also make sure
that the building facade um facing outer

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mill road will be set back just enough
so that all the elements of the building

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are
on the correct side of the stepbacks. So

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there'll be no elements of the building
including roof overhangs,

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uh front entrances, any bumpouts,
including the foundations underground

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shall all be back within the step back
of the front as well as all the other

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sides. But the other sides there's
really no issues. But that just to

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clarify will be
uh

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all set back from this front line.

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So no parts of the building shall go
beyond any setbacks.

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Back to the renderings. Let's see.

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Okay.
So,

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this element up here

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as recommended to be similar to other
buildings in town. to show the cornises

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and the extensions
to give a better um traditional detail.

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The
hardcape and landscape

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elements have also been updated on the
civil drawings.

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Just want to make sure I get the right
All

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right. So, basically the clouded area is
showing where there's alterations to the

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proposed landscaping. So, hardcape
landscape elements

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which is basically minimal. It was just
the removal of columns

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in those areas.
Can you zoom in on the landscape change?

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I don't seem to have a hard copy to look
at.

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» Sure. Uh this

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pages

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so the the pvious pave sidewalk and the
public access. All these elements were

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already on the original
uh 2024 set. Um

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and uh let's see. Does this show
anymore?

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Basically the same. It's just

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so on the entrance way from Waltham
Street. we don't gain any landscaping by

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moving that column back.

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» Um, it was originally shown as just a
pave patio area and we're still showing

439
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:50,119
as a pvious
um paver patio area.

440
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,119
So picnics and picnic tables,

441
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:58,920
benches,
a great place to hang out, you know,

442
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,920
along riverside.

443
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:23,599
Um, any other changes, Jim, that you
need to highlight?

444
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:31,040
» Uh, sure. I guess, uh, let's see. The
Waltham Street gate. Uh, let's see.

445
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:36,760
Back to the renderings.
This, uh, let me see. Share the screen.

446
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:49,760
This gate here is to stop
Um we continuously close and to prevent

447
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:58,880
people from coming in and out off of
Walam Street, but in the need the fire

448
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:08,720
chief can or um any emergency apparatus
can just uh easily get through this. Um

449
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:13,200
it'll be a um a breakable link that
um you know if they really needed to get

450
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:19,480
in quick, they can just bump it with the
bumper and get in or just stop and cut

451
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:19,480
it and get in.

452
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:30,240
Um let's see. There is there was talk
about

453
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:38,880
um
the affordable units and a proposal to

454
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:44,960
um alter that but um there is none at
this point. It will stay with the

455
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:50,960
original nine units with five units um
at 80% AMI and four of the units being

456
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:55,200
60% AMI.
Um and that's all per the original

457
00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:04,720
approvals.
The other item uh let's see

458
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:11,760
is that since uh and I believe uh the
bill the chairman uh researched this as

459
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:18,720
well and the only real change that would
affect this building from the 2024

460
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:25,040
approval and actually uh permitted set
in 2026

461
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:29,359
would be the dark sky compliance. with
the lighting and all lights will

462
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:37,680
exterior light shall be in accordance
with the dark sky compliance.

463
00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:41,200
Uh the other item is that this once
again

464
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:47,440
this gate
um and the entrance off of Walan Street

465
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:55,119
and the rest of it um according to the
building code you're required to at

466
00:45:49,760 --> 00:46:02,560
least provide a height of 82 to provide
uh am um ambulatory vans such as

467
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:09,440
handicap wheelchair accessible vans.
to allow them to open up their um the

468
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:14,240
backs and the fronts and any pieces to
get in and out properly. But fire

469
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:20,480
departments tend to have bigger pieces
of equipment and we're

470
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:27,520
obviously going to make any adjustments
to the height requirements

471
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:35,359
if um the chief wants us to do so. It
helps make sure that this building is

472
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:41,760
accessible by any uh emergency
um equipment

473
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:45,839
and it also allows them to purchase
uh pieces of equipment of certain

474
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:52,079
heights and it doesn't pigeon hole them
into um staying within a certain height

475
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:57,040
restriction to service all the buildings
in town.

476
00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:08,079
So, um I believe right now they look
they have a 12 foot ladder truck and a 9

477
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:13,040
and 1/2t um emergency ambulance. So,
it would be a discussion that we

478
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:18,440
definitely u would have with them and
make sure that everything conforms to

479
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,440
what they want.

480
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,520
The last item

481
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:34,079
um actually has already been addressed.
It was just the the overhangs of the

482
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:40,680
roof, making sure that they're set back.
I'd be happy to address any other

483
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,680
concerns or any other questions.

484
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Thanks, Jim. Um Amy, I believe you
joined this meeting. Are are you on?

485
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:56,400
» Yes, I am.
>> Hi, Amy. Thanks for joining. Um, I just

486
00:47:54,240 --> 00:48:01,200
wanted to get your final sense if you
had any final feedback about the project

487
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:07,440
for the board and and particularly if
there's anything that from your review

488
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:12,000
uh would remain um sort of loosely
non-compliant with our bylaws as you

489
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:18,480
reviewed them.
>> We issued a letter yesterday. Apologies

490
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:22,960
for the delay on this. Um we had two
comments. One James already addressed

491
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:28,000
which he mentioned everything from that
front entry area would be pulled back um

492
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,760
behind the property line. We had noticed
that that front three stories was

493
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,800
probably still overhanging the property
line um even when the canopy was

494
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:40,079
deleted. So I think as long as they push
the building back, which I'm sure they

495
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:45,440
will do, um they'll be in compliance
with that. There was a second comment

496
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:50,480
that we made on the letter. Um and we
had missed this in the first review um

497
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:55,200
because we noticed that that facade was
looked like I measured it in blue beam

498
00:48:52,319 --> 00:49:02,319
James it was about 136 feet long. The
bylaws require um I think it's a 3%

499
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:05,680
change in depth for every 100 feet or
that's one of the recommended strategies

500
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:11,440
that you could do to mitigate the length
for longer facads that are highly

501
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:14,559
visible from the public way. um because
there's not a lot of landscaping in

502
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:19,119
front of this. You know, there's some
landscape screening in front of the

503
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:24,960
transformer, which is that lower right
um rectangle um if you look at the lower

504
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:29,280
right rendering. Um but that's not going
to be enough to screen the facade. So,

505
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:35,680
we would um
we'd recommend doing something um

506
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,359
I played around with chat GPT. I hate to
do this to you, James, but you could

507
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,160
break up the facade. I don't think you
need to set it back a lot, but you could

508
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:49,280
break it up with like three
uh vertical divisions of the building

509
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:54,079
with a slight recess that might help um
just mitigate some of the horizontal um

510
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:58,480
length of the building and that would be
a simple solution. You know, happy to

511
00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:03,040
share the image if it's helpful. Um you
guys, you don't need to take it. Um I

512
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:07,599
guess um but I was just trying to think
through some some easier um solutions

513
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,280
without changing the building footprint
at this point because I I don't think a

514
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:15,119
4ft setback is realistic for the
applicant. And it's really I would say

515
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:19,520
this is up to the planning board if this
warrants a

516
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:24,640
a change in the in the design on the
elevation um because of the longer

517
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:31,119
elevation and and your bylaws.
>> Um can I ask a clarifying question

518
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:37,359
» Amy? Is this something that um
m should have been reviewed during the

519
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:39,440
original hearings? And I ask it in the
context of

520
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:47,040
» Mhm.
>> did any of the proposed changes the

521
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:53,280
applicant make uh trigger, you know, uh
this being an item for discussion?

522
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:58,319
» I think um the previous design, I'm
trying to remember it exactly, it had a

523
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:01,520
number of material changes. um you know
whether you define those as being

524
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:06,160
integral with the building. And so there
was a number of material changes along

525
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:11,599
this facade that went from brick to
fiber cement um large format panels and

526
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:16,319
that did help break up the scale. Now
with everything at brick with these long

527
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:20,880
horizontal bands you notice the length
more um which is why we noticed it in

528
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,160
this last review.
>> Okay. I would say this is up to the

529
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:29,200
planning board's discretion if you want
to do anything on this.

530
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:32,640
» Thank Thanks, Amy. Jim, do you have any
I know it's short notice, but do you

531
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:36,720
have any thoughts on that?
>> Uh, we'd be amendable to anything that

532
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,800
the board suggests as long as it
doesn't,

533
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:42,960
» you know,
>> yeah,

534
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:46,240
» further us into another whole round of
design and discussions.

535
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,920
So, um,

536
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:57,280
» let me do this first. Does the board
understand, um, any questions about

537
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:02,880
what's being discussed at this moment?
>> It's 136. And how long is it supposed to

538
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:07,280
be if we're going to break it up?
>> 100 ft. So, you're 36 feet over. And I

539
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:12,720
noted in my comments, there's quite a
few examples in downtown Maynard where

540
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:16,359
you've got and really Maynard um where
you have longer facads.

541
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:26,160
» I don't care.
>> Well, if the board can think about it

542
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:31,359
for a moment, let's let's let's table
that and um does let's go to board

543
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:34,800
questions then. Um does the board have
any questions or comments for the

544
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:40,640
applicant? Well, related to the topic
that they were discussing the moving the

545
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:46,559
building back a little bit so the
cornice doesn't overhang the rightway.

546
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:50,400
Is that how does that show up on the
plans that get approved?

547
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:55,280
» Jim,
>> um did you hear that?

548
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:59,680
» Sure. I guess uh
really right now we're we're just

549
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:05,599
showing a massing. There's no
and forever that's always driven me nuts

550
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:10,960
on
um civil engineering drawings not

551
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:19,839
dimensioning
but basically all it shows is edge of

552
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:26,480
building on the civil plans and it's set
back. So regardless of

553
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:32,480
so but
in reality

554
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:41,760
the face of brick
will most likely be right around 12 to

555
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:48,800
14 in back from the city's property line
or the line of the sidewalk.

556
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:56,480
And that will give us enough
um cushion to not give the concrete

557
00:53:52,880 --> 00:54:02,160
installers a heart attack and to make
sure that all the elements are set back.

558
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:08,640
And
so basically all elements would be

559
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:11,640
within a couple inches of the actual
setback.

560
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:31,280
Is is there a way to
is there a standard way to to document

561
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:38,000
that in site plan designs, Jim?
>> In site plan designs? Um, no. That's

562
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:44,800
there's a check in balances during
construction.

563
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:51,520
Um you the surveyor
who generated these plans or was part of

564
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:56,720
generating these plans would go out and
show

565
00:54:53,359 --> 00:55:04,079
um stake out where the footings would go
and then once the footings are poured

566
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:09,119
they come back and put a nail they call
pinning the foundation. They actually

567
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:17,760
drive a little nail into where the forms
go and they pour the foundation

568
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:24,319
at that location and then they come back
after the forms have been stripped off

569
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:30,800
to do another survey and then that
asbuilt drawing is submitted to the

570
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:36,640
building department again for building
permit. Basically, the surveyor is

571
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:42,240
certifying that now the building is
where it's supposed to be. And if you

572
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:49,119
ever drive around and you see a little
kink chiseled out of a foundation or a

573
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:54,880
building's quite little slices because
at that moment it was over. And uh I get

574
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:58,880
a good chuckle out of it every now and
then when I drive around and see these

575
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:06,640
little kinks taken out of buildings
because of the setbacks were um in

576
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:12,160
» Sorry, Jim. I'll just ask is it is it
common in the industry to not have to

577
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:16,960
detail out this overhang of a cornice?
>> Yes. Yes, it is common at this point.

578
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,960
Yes.
>> Okay.

579
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:29,520
So, I had a question from last meeting
about the walkway and

580
00:56:27,359 --> 00:56:38,040
how it
connects to the parking area and I still

581
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,040
don't see that clearly in the new plans

582
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:42,799
» from Waltham Street
>> from I don't know.

583
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,200
» Yeah.
>> Uh this

584
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,640
» the new blockway next to the building
somehow it goes down and it

585
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:54,720
» Yeah. If the renderings are accurate,
could you zoom in on the one that shows

586
00:56:51,599 --> 00:57:00,280
» the right
>> top right maybe?

587
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,280
» Yeah, it's

588
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,280
right

589
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,720
pretty wide.

590
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:23,599
Now, mind you, this gray mass here,
there's a one-story building.

591
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:29,599
» And we have a landscape element that
comes along in between the two. The

592
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:33,640
walkway, then the landscape element, and
then this one-story building.

593
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:41,359
» Right. But my question is, you go down
that walkway, what do you hit in the

594
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,720
parking lot? just right into where the
cars are

595
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,599
» parking space in the drawings we have.
>> Yes,

596
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:50,599
» you can bring up the site plan drawing.
>> Yes.

597
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:55,440
» So the
>> Yes, it's blocked.

598
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:01,040
» Planning board members point is that the
walkway terminates

599
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:05,520
» this terminates into a parking space,
>> right? And that doesn't seem like good

600
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,520
pedestrian flow.
Okay.

601
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:15,079
Is is that a fair statement
>> there? Um,

602
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:24,040
let's see.
>> That makes a little more.

603
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:39,040
It looks like there is some wiggle room.
So, um, we would just shift things

604
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:43,079
around a little to allow for, uh, let's
see, let me share this.

605
00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:57,440
So, right now there is a twoft path. Um,
but that this can these elements and

606
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:04,000
this over here, we could definitely
consolidate and give a 5-ft path at the

607
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:07,960
end of this walkway
to access this properly.

608
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:20,079
One of them is the EV chargers, right?
But anyways, a bigger question on that

609
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:25,119
though is this is a much smaller
project, but it has the same number of

610
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:30,280
parking spaces. Why do we need so many
parking spaces for this smaller project?

611
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:36,760
» Uh the number of units I believe has
stayed the same.

612
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:44,880
» Um
>> the bedroom mix is radically different.

613
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:49,200
» Yes.
So that's a lesser parking demand. And

614
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:54,240
then there's no commercial. So that's a
lesser parking demand. So why do we need

615
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:58,319
all these parking spaces? And can't we
take advantage of the reduced parking

616
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:02,720
demand to
I don't know more landscaping or more

617
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:08,640
buffer or I don't know walking path from
that

618
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:15,240
civil. I just want to see the table of
parking

619
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:15,240
that this civil engineer is

620
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,960
heat.

621
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,160
just 36.

622
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:10,880
So it's not even enough
work by four

623
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,880
questions still work.

624
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:26,000
So what I see here is 54. There's 36
units. 54 are required

625
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:28,400
and there were 41 spaces provided in the
previous plan set.

626
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:34,920
» Okay. So yeah, that's what I thought. I
didn't want to speak out of turn, but I

627
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,920
thought it was under. So,

628
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:48,000
what I'm saying is, I mean, we usually
on these things target a one to one. So,

629
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:54,079
if a couple spaces need to go away to
make enhancements for the project or for

630
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:57,640
the for the community, that doesn't seem
like a bad thing.

631
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:18,240
If we
uh I don't want to say clean up, but if

632
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:24,880
we adjust some of these spaces to make
it a little more amenable. Plus, it

633
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:29,359
always happens where the proposed
handicap spaces shift over a little

634
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,839
little to the left, a little to the
right depending where that door finally

635
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:37,680
ends up.
Um,

636
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:40,680
so there are some adjustments that are
made

637
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:46,040
before the final lines get painted.

638
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:58,880
So, I got a couple questions about the
canopy. Can you go to the rendering that

639
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:02,520
looks at the walkway entrance from
Waltham Street?

640
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:26,559
Um the lower right, I guess.
>> Yeah, I guess this would be is this this

641
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:31,799
view here?
Uh let's look at the other view.

642
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:40,799
There you go. So,
what's the thinking of leaving open that

643
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:47,359
side of the
canopy area?

644
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:52,720
So, the view is just a park cars and
things. Why? Why does that side need to

645
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:57,160
be open
right here? Yeah.

646
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:07,520
So, it's
it does help that

647
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,760
um I mean there definitely could be some
elements here to dress it up, but you

648
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:16,799
don't want to
>> um What's the depth of the parking

649
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:22,319
spaces or
>> Well, there aren't any parking spaces.

650
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:29,760
» Yeah, you're right. There is nothing
there. So, yes, we could

651
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:33,079
close that in with these privacy screens
if necessary.

652
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:41,200
Maybe I'm just missing the landscaping
point. Maybe the landscaping covers

653
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:47,760
that, but I don't know. Just
>> Yeah. Unfortunately, every bush

654
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:52,319
and every leaf is a polygon. And to
render

655
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:58,400
um that many polygons, it just takes so
much time. And sometimes it takes a day

656
01:04:55,599 --> 01:05:02,200
just to render
with so many bushes.

657
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:13,760
And then
you were talking about the emergency

658
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:18,960
vehicle access and you got to kick up
the clearance from 82 to

659
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:21,599
96 plus.
>> Yep.

660
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:26,160
» So you got to jack it up a foot and a
half or so.

661
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:31,280
Is that whole canopy going up a foot and
a half? Is the building going up a foot

662
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:37,680
and a half? What's going up?
uh we would just make uh we would just

663
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:42,480
make sure that the clearance in the
height of the proposed building does not

664
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:46,559
change. So
um

665
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:51,200
with the variety of materials that we
have, we can play around with the

666
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:57,359
different floor thicknesses.
I mean, ideally on a building like this,

667
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:04,160
you'd like 16 in of thickness between
the ceiling of one floor and the uh top

668
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:10,799
of the next floor. But we've done them
as shallow as uh 10 in. So, you get a

669
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:18,839
lot of play between
um in the floor systems themselves. And

670
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,839
same with the roof.

671
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:27,839
So, so I assume the the building
structure, the big mass in the original

672
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,440
apartment had the correct clearance. Is
that is that correct?

673
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,960
» I don't know.
>> I think that that hadn't been worked out

674
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:36,720
with the fire chief yet either.
>> Oh, really?

675
01:06:36,319 --> 01:06:41,680
» Yeah.
>> This is this is clearly easier to move

676
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:44,799
because there's nothing above it.
>> Well, no, but then the building's going

677
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,319
to move because if the building's only
right

678
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,880
» below the lighting,
and the sprinklers,

679
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:56,640
» right?
>> And the electrical, blah, blah, blah.

680
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:03,280
» Yep. No, it's it's all pretty easy to
do.

681
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:08,720
» So, how does that get included in any
approvals?

682
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:12,559
» Um, well, we basically we have the
ground and then

683
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:16,799
» you can't move an inch and whatever
happens below happens. Well, for the

684
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,760
planning board, it's just the it's the
total height.

685
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,520
» I think that matters, right?
>> That's one.

686
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:30,240
» So, it's just total height and then
>> um it's not I don't believe there's any

687
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:35,039
submitt for for the for the specific
um heights

688
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:40,319
» elevations necessarily per four floor or
for for this canopy area. So, I don't

689
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:43,119
think it goes I don't think it's a
planning board item unless it's

690
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:47,520
modifying the site plan. Well,
technically it's circulation, but

691
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:51,760
» as long as the circulation meets the
intent of the site approval, right?

692
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:54,160
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Right.

693
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:58,559
» Proper height. This is weird.
>> And building code. Building code also

694
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,240
lists what the heights have to be,
>> right?

695
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,359
» Minimum. So,
>> right. And they'll have and the project

696
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:07,760
will have to abide by that. But what I'm
suggesting is that it's the height is

697
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:13,359
not necessarily a planning board item of
the door itself unless it changes some

698
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:17,679
type of circulation or egress pattern.
Okay. And then my last question about

699
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:24,719
the campy is a question I had last time
of

700
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:29,120
how does that compatible with the
downtown?

701
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:33,520
I mean to me I would have just wrapped
the building around the

702
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:38,799
game
store and had the building front on both

703
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:44,640
Waltham and Powdermill. But for some
reason we have a canopy which is way not

704
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:53,000
in the intent of the DoD.
So what's the thinking of how we can

705
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:53,000
make that compatible with the downtown?

706
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,319
Bill, it might help to elaborate what
you're what you mean by

707
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,839
comment.
>> Well, well, the downtown design says,

708
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,279
you know, we're supposed to be building
buildings up to the property line. You

709
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:17,600
know, we're not supposed to be having
setbacks. We're not supposed to be

710
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:22,799
having parking in front of the
buildings, but all we got is a parking

711
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:29,920
canopy in front of this building
facing the major street.

712
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:35,839
And we wouldn't allow that anywhere else
because the buildings are supposed to

713
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:40,560
front the street.
And here it just seems like there's

714
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:44,960
plenty of room to have the buildings
shift over and front on Waltham Street

715
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:49,839
and then all problems are all gone. I
just don't understand the canopy and how

716
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:55,239
that's better for the downtown
than just having the building wrap a

717
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,239
little tighter.

718
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:03,520
Well, I think part of it was the public
access there.

719
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,800
» It wouldn't affect the public access
footprint at all. It's the same

720
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:12,520
footprint. I mean, a building could take
the footprint of the canopy. It's the

721
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,520
same width.

722
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:24,440
Maybe it's that it's trying to be more
in kind of the adjacent building.

723
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:31,600
Yeah, but that's not a
big long-term

724
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:35,679
planning call for building out a
downtown cuz sooner or later that other

725
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:39,199
building is going to go in 10 or 20
years

726
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:45,360
and then you're building it next to a
weird little canopy. I just done with

727
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:51,040
canopy
different property, but I don't know. I

728
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:59,600
just I don't see the value added for the
town there and it just seems counter to

729
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:04,480
the intent of a lot of the DoD elements.
>> I mean the intent was that they were

730
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,480
trying to reduce the size of the
building,

731
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:13,120
» right? And they could have reduced the
size of the building and left the

732
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,840
building touching Waltham and touching
powder mill and still reduced the size

733
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:23,280
and then had
>> extra well extra room for the river,

734
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:26,320
extra buffer to the river, extra buffer
to the

735
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:32,560
» if they had if they had left it and had
it be open parking, would that be also

736
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:35,520
less than ideal?
>> Yeah, that's not the deal and the

737
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,760
intent. You don't put parking in front
of a building.

738
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:48,719
I think I think I'll fence for that. The
intent was

739
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:54,600
about open parking lots. Uh and I I can
recall specifically when we had a a

740
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:01,840
request for a fast food location
downtown and we went back and forth with

741
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:08,719
it for a while because it required a
special permit. And the idea is to

742
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:13,520
not present a seat of parking that is
incompatible with

743
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:18,159
the
streetscape itself. But in this sense,

744
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:25,600
you're working with what you have. And
we have in in this case, I mean, it's

745
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:31,920
unusual because there's another building
really blocking streetscape on one side

746
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:36,159
and then the other is a a high.
It's not a typical DoD and we and the

747
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,679
reason I I would say that is because
originally if you remember a couple

748
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:44,000
years ago this project started out as a
mixeduse and we thought that was a

749
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:49,280
terrible idea to integrate it. We have
people walking around uh from that for

750
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:53,280
commercial uses and that was that was
something that originally going way

751
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:58,640
back. It started out as a much larger
project with a at the time it was

752
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:06,159
marijuana was proposed I remember as out
parcel and everything and and in the end

753
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:12,320
we went through a number of revisions
uh culminating in uh what we thought was

754
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:18,640
the most practical use and it was within
the spirit of the DoD which was multif

755
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:24,640
family higher density uh with working
with the the landscape that we have and

756
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:29,199
and in this case you know in a perfect
world we all agreed that it would have

757
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:32,080
encompassed that whole corner but we
don't have that and I I think at this

758
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:38,480
point we're looking at does the good
outweigh the bad is this project and is

759
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:43,040
I I think it is consistent with it is it
the perfect location like I said I would

760
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:47,600
rather have I'm sure applicant would
rather have the entire um but the entire

761
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:52,000
quarter but I think we really have to
step back and look at what you know this

762
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:57,360
is a multi-year project in the end is
going to be

763
01:13:53,920 --> 01:14:01,360
um I think you know largely consistent
with the aesthetics. I think they they

764
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:07,120
talk it looks
largely consistent the idea of of

765
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:12,800
parking that's
um not really right in your face on the

766
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:16,880
street or or enclosed.
I I don't know what you know that's my

767
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:23,280
opinion. I mean we've been through this
this has been started I was like this

768
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:26,560
started really in like what 2022 as a
but we approved iteration

769
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:31,600
» we approved this version we're being
asked to change what we approved and

770
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:37,920
what we approved matched all the goals
and objectives of the DoD but in this

771
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:47,120
case I mean maybe the issue is how to
make the canopy area look less canopy

772
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:51,840
less parking more like a building and
less

773
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:57,080
auto visible or something.
Right now it's just the canopy over

774
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,080
bunch of cars.

775
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:06,880
But you could I suppose you could you
know like you facade a garage so it

776
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:13,280
looks more like a building rather than a
garage. You could do that and

777
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:17,679
make it look more structure. I mean,
would having the

778
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:23,760
uh the whatever the landscaping
treatment that they have in in the two

779
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:28,960
other spots along that wall
along the side of the parking canopy be

780
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:33,360
beneficial.
The other thing is maintaining

781
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:38,719
maintaining a non non-p parking lot
adjacent to the river was is also

782
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:44,560
important to us. So, you know, if you
have to have the building on on two

783
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:48,800
sides and the parking not on the
streets, but also not the parking not

784
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:52,560
all up against the river, they they've
run out of places. And they did put the

785
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,080
majority of the parking on the fourth
side,

786
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:03,199
but
it's a complicated site.

787
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:06,560
» Big picture. designed the building so it
fronted on both streets and the parking

788
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,719
would stay underneath. The parking would
not get close to the river. But

789
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:17,840
if we're stuck with a canopy,
I would I would want to see that to look

790
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:21,840
less like a parking canopy and more like
a piece of the building.

791
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:26,520
» How many how many parking spots are
under the parking canopy, Jim?

792
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,640
Six to seven.

793
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:51,520
» Seven. Six. Six or seven depending on
what what we do at the end of that run.

794
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:56,360
» It It seems like an awfully lot of
construction for six parking spots.

795
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,400
Is that is that a fair statement?

796
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:20,239
» Yes. Um but we are once again having
that covered area.

797
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:23,960
Uh seven spots covered.
What's the covered walkway?

798
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:37,120
Can I make a suggestion? I think correct
me if I'm wrong, Jim, but you're covered

799
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:42,960
parking. And by covering the surface
parking, that's allowing you not to have

800
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:46,719
to treat that drainage and the water and
the runoff that basically hits that

801
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:51,920
surface parking lot. So, it's better for
the environment if the water is captured

802
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:55,199
at the roof level and then goes into
your system without additional

803
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:58,960
treatment. And that's probably why
you're reluctant to change it because

804
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:02,000
you already have the Concom approvals.
Correct.

805
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:05,920
» Yes. Yes. The biggest thing is
definitely the conservation

806
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:09,360
» uh approvals.
And that's a new calculation I think

807
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:12,239
that you'd have to run and and go back
for that change. I mean, maybe a

808
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:18,480
solution here is to make it look a
little bit more like the building and

809
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:22,719
the the structure, the canopy gets
bigger, slightly heftier, you know, if

810
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:26,960
it looks like a brick arcade that then
has the presence of the building um

811
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:32,960
where it's brick and a mix of metal.
>> Yeah. More more like an um Venetian

812
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:38,400
sidewalk
covered area. That's That's fine.

813
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:41,040
» Yeah. I mean, that may give it more of a
building presence and less of a canopy

814
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,679
presence. I mean, there was going to be
a canopy. Right.

815
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:58,400
Uh if if that's amendable, Jim, I think
that would be more in the taste of the

816
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:04,320
of the comments of what you've heard
from the planning board tonight

817
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:11,040
» to
>> basically beef up the elements and make

818
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:15,679
it more um
make it tie into the building better as

819
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:19,760
opposed to just a canopy. Yeah, I mean
it could read like brick peers or brick

820
01:19:17,679 --> 01:19:23,920
blasters and you've got landscape in
front of that and the landscape plan

821
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:30,400
from 23. So along the side of it there
already is a a planting bed with bushes

822
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:34,520
» that will buffer it a little bit.
>> That's what I'm the planning.

823
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,920
Yeah.

824
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:58,600
Is that

825
01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:32,000
element agreement elements are
part of the benefits of the project

826
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:36,560
which is part of the decision on a
approval or disapproval of a special

827
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:39,920
permit. So what's the status of the
development agreement? It's been 2 and

828
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:47,560
1/2 years.
I would think that we would have some

829
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:47,560
pretty close to five aversion.

830
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:54,400
I did a little research on that and I
have an answer for Bill too if you want

831
01:20:51,760 --> 01:21:04,120
me to jump in.
I look back on when we original uh the

832
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:04,120
answer is um it's it I guess it would be

833
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:12,880
it could be within the it requires a
vote of the both boards planning board

834
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:20,800
and site board. Um Steve's working on
that with Adam. I would say it is

835
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:25,920
it's I mean I'm not doing this but
certainly within the next month or two.

836
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:32,080
I can't see it going longer but and
that's the answer for that. I I'm not

837
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:36,640
working on it myself. So that is uh but
we did discuss it today. I did do a

838
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:42,560
little research on it um because I was I
couldn't remember exactly how we we left

839
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:47,280
it on the other because since
then now we made changes for how

840
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:52,719
development agreement is done but at the
time um this was uh this is I went back

841
01:21:51,040 --> 01:22:01,280
in minutes I just curious on this how we
did it uh and um

842
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:07,520
at the time um Adam was uh stack was
being uh represented by um Mark Babowski

843
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:11,760
who was talking about this and and the
board this is

844
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,719
uh the wording of the condition related
related to the development agreement

845
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:20,320
would be important to consider at this
time. Uh Mr. Verowski voices success a

846
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:25,199
suggestion to consider condition prior
to the issuance of any mutually agree

847
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:29,440
agreeable building permanent development
uh would be filed in the office of the

848
01:22:27,199 --> 01:22:34,000
town clerk and approved by staff. Mr.
Nezer asked for clarification on

849
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:42,320
timelines. Mr. Ki shared that the best
course of action they thought at the

850
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:46,639
time was to uh close public hearing
um subject to an appropriate development

851
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:52,000
agreement to be approved shortly
thereafter. Well, it hasn't been shortly

852
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:54,800
thereafter. So, uh Chris Arsenal
clarified that the final DA would need

853
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:59,840
to be come back in front of the planning
board for review and signatures and they

854
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:03,920
agreed to the timeline. Uh Mr. Cranshaw
acquired if the planning board if the

855
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:07,520
public hearing need to be closed before
they and then to before considering

856
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:16,320
condition languages and they said they
want to talk through the conditions. So

857
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:22,880
my if we just amend the we've since
changed this how we do it in our bylaws

858
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:25,679
but modifying this the board could say
um I mean there's a number of ways you

859
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,679
could do you can say before the
effective date of the special permit. I

860
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:35,280
mean, then the permit's not good until
it's executed. That probably is the

861
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:40,800
neatest and cleanest way to do it. Now,
if we were doing a a a new development

862
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:45,679
agreement now with a brand new project,
you know, it's hard because, you know,

863
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,719
sometimes we do them simultaneous,
sometimes we don't. But in a perfect

864
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:55,280
world, yeah, they would. It's not
perfect. So, that would be my answer

865
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:59,040
about that. Um, as for um what's going
to be involved in the development grant

866
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:02,719
boards, basically Adam, are you on
still?

867
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,679
» Yeah, I'm here.
>> I I didn't want to really get too much

868
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,040
into this right now, but you've been
working with Steve on the development

869
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:12,000
agreement basically, right?
>> Recently, I mean,

870
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,760
» yep.
>> And the type of stuff that's involved

871
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:20,800
basically is what we've discussed
before. There's an open space

872
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:27,120
uh requirement that's got to be worked
through BA on our zoning bylaws and and

873
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:33,520
on our um um planning board rules and
regulations and we also um there were

874
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:38,080
some intersection modifications that we
discussed

875
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:43,760
but so far as your timeline Adam would
that work for you if if the board was

876
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:49,679
willing and we we said before that
special permit is effective development

877
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:53,199
agreement has to be executed.
>> Yeah, I would have no issue with that.

878
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,239
» I can't hear what he said.
>> Yes.

879
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:59,199
» No.
>> No issue with that.

880
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:05,040
» Yeah. Okay. Now, would that help though?
That's an I mean, or if you want like a

881
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:11,280
date, I mean, I don't know. I can't I
can't sit here and tell you. Yeah.

882
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:16,880
» Well, I understand your concern.
I mean to approve a special permit, you

883
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,480
have to find that the good outweighs the
bad.

884
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,199
» You have to find what?
>> You have to find out that the good

885
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,880
outweighs the bad.
>> That's correct.

886
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:30,719
» But if we don't know what good is in the
development agreement,

887
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:33,199
then the scorecard is leaning towards
the bad side.

888
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:38,400
» Well, then you wouldn't sign the
development agreement.

889
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:44,239
» Well, or I might not approve the special
requirement. It's been 2 and 1/2 years

890
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:50,639
and there's been no progress. So, I have
little faith that pushing it out to an

891
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:52,960
indefinite time now is going to make any
difference.

892
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:56,560
» I understand.
>> However, the special permit if it's not

893
01:25:55,120 --> 01:26:00,480
effective until then.
>> Well, I would also point out that our

894
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:06,080
zoning says that the development
agreement must be

895
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:11,360
in place before special.
>> That is correct. But that was our 2024

896
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:17,199
amendment and before it said the
development agreement should be executed

897
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:19,760
before the special permit is
uh right

898
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:25,280
» issued. So that's
>> we're working under new rules for this

899
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,280
process. So
>> under new rules.

900
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:31,840
» Yeah. And it's a creature of the
development agreement too. As we, you

901
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:37,120
know, in the uh as we look at the past
minutes, that was our approach was that

902
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,480
the
working with the uh development

903
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:44,159
agreement, there's going to be certain
amendments that are made that are just

904
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:49,040
like we do with that's how the density
bonus gets done. You know, it's a it's a

905
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:53,360
it's another process. What do you have a
suggestion? I mean, wait for a condition

906
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:56,800
on it. If if that was the case, then you
could say, you know, you could say there

907
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:59,280
has to be um
>> well, I mean,

908
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:05,360
» I don't really understand. I mean, they
must have agreed on the major points and

909
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,400
they're just working out tiny little
language, right? So, what are the major

910
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:14,159
points that have
>> you have ask Adam on this one?

911
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:18,760
» I would like that into this hearing
so it can be into the decision.

912
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,920
Adam, do you have anything to add with
this?

913
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:32,639
» The only major uh change I think that
we're looking to figure out u the legal

914
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:39,440
language for is how the contribution to
the open space funding works, the money

915
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:46,639
towards uh the town and if that was to
go just directly as a as a check to the

916
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:51,520
town or work in the intersection. And
does that work in the intersection need

917
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:56,480
to be done by a town approved
um site contractor or like it was that

918
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:01,040
was the language really that we're
trying to me and Steve are trying to

919
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:04,679
just have hashed out just to make sure
that uh

920
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:13,040
just to make sure that that work is done
uh

921
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:19,280
in the best best effort for the for the
town either like I said through a town

922
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:24,400
specific specific site um contractor or
just the straight money to the town to

923
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:29,440
then hire somebody to do it. So that was
kind of the the hiccup that we have.

924
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:35,199
» And there, Adam, are you referring to
the um the improvements in the public

925
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:38,480
way with the um pedestrian signaling and
and sidewalks?

926
01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:43,679
» Exactly. That's exactly what it is.
>> Right. And and just to be clear for

927
01:28:40,480 --> 01:28:51,600
everybody here in a refresher,
um there is a the open space requirement

928
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:57,120
that Adam is alluding to is required for
um whenever there's bonus issu bonus

929
01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:07,840
units issued
for provision of open space or inind

930
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:13,920
um contribution. So those two areas are
what we're talking about. There's one

931
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:21,040
other way to do this I could think of
and that would be if uh continue the

932
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:29,000
public hearing for a date and give them
as time to get it worked out. And um

933
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,000
you know

934
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:33,960
well they need to do new drawings
anyways.

935
01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:43,920
So, I I have a a request if I may.
>> Go ahead, Adam.

936
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:48,320
» Um, obviously this project has been
going on for quite some time now and uh

937
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:51,520
we do have a buyer that's, you know,
getting a little antsy and obviously we

938
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:55,760
have to take the proper steps to make
this correct for the town. I understand

939
01:29:53,040 --> 01:30:02,239
that. My concern is every time we come
to this meeting, there's a new aspect

940
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:06,639
that needs to be looked at. So, what I'm
hearing right now is that yes, you want

941
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:10,480
to see new drawings for the the canopy.
I agree and we can do that. Uh, yes, you

942
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:14,080
want to see a development agreement.
Okay. You want to see where the walkway

943
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:20,080
ends into the parking lot. I I'm
counting three things right now. Could

944
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:25,040
we hash out the other 10 items tonight
and just say that the next meeting we're

945
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:29,840
going to look at A, B, and C
so that then when next meeting comes

946
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:35,480
there's not D, E, and F that we have to
go figure out. That would be my request.

947
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:43,360
» Well, I'd point out that the three items
you cited were all brought up last

948
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:48,000
meeting,
but

949
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaking as an individual, I don't see
anything else on the list.

950
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:57,920
» Board, do you see anything else that
would that you would like to see changed

951
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:02,199
or updated so that you have the correct
information to take a vote on this?

952
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:09,679
» I see nothing else.
>> I think I'm good to

953
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:14,719
» I'm good. Hearing none. Um the the three
items listed

954
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:21,360
uh design change canopy
um showing a change in the the walkway

955
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:26,719
egress as discussed and the the outline
proposal for the developing development

956
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:29,520
agreement. Those are the three items.
May

957
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:35,120
» may I ask a question before you
>> as long as you don't add an item, Bill?

958
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:41,120
» Well, not not in so many words. Um
before it was

959
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:44,960
We we had um
uh I know Steve and Adam are going to be

960
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:50,080
working on this and I think it's helpful
to have a member of planning board work

961
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,360
as well as a member of the select board
>> um

962
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,719
» on what
>> with the development agreements.

963
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:59,920
» I will be I will be the member for the
planning board.

964
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:03,840
» Okay. Is that Adam? I'm going to um I'll
tell Steve about this and everything

965
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:05,840
» which is by the way not a change. I was
the

966
01:32:04,159 --> 01:32:08,880
» you were with Chris Silva I think was
chair. is the member of the

967
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,760
» who's our leazison on
>> Lindsay.

968
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:14,320
» Lindsay.
>> So, no change in planning board

969
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:19,040
membership for the council.
>> So, I'll ask I'll ask um I guess Lindsay

970
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,080
or
>> ask Mike Stevens.

971
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:25,320
» Mike Mike Stevens if you want
>> as chair.

972
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:34,880
» Um now the other question is um
timing.

973
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:39,520
» Mhm. It's This is not a two week and we
if we're going to tidy it up like that.

974
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:43,440
I I I don't know how I mean that's how
we got

975
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,400
two weeks is tight.
>> No, we're going to Bill we're going to

976
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,360
have to make this two weeks or I I fear
that I fear that somebody's going to

977
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:54,000
walk away to be quite honest with
everybody here. So I me and my team on

978
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:59,520
the architectural side have done what
you asked us to do in two weeks. This is

979
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:02,159
in you have my full attention for the
next two weeks to get this done. if it's

980
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:06,320
if you're talking about the development
agreement and we really need to we

981
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:11,360
really need to make this this move
forward. Um unless I'm going to be left

982
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:16,400
with without a buyer again.
>> Okay. All right. And so I'll I'll make a

983
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:20,719
motion in a second, but first I I'm
going to open it up to public comment.

984
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:25,360
Uh Zoe, would you stop sharing screens
and and let's see if there's members of

985
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:29,280
the public that would like to enter a
public comment tonight. Uh, if you're

986
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:33,120
joining us virtually, please use the
raise hand feature or you can turn your

987
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,800
camera on and raise your hand and we'll
call on you on each individual one at a

988
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,639
time.
>> Jim, do you mind um turning off your

989
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:45,639
screen sharing because I'm not actually
screen sharing. It's I think still

990
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:45,639
yours.

991
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:56,719
There we go.
All right.

992
01:33:54,320 --> 01:34:01,040
» All right. And Zoe, I'm not seeing any.
>> Um, if there's anybody in the who would

993
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:04,960
uh in from the public who wishes to make
a public comment, if you would please

994
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:09,120
use the hand raised function of Zoom
>> and you will be called on.

995
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:12,000
» And Zoe, looking here in town hall, I
don't see any members of the public able

996
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:15,480
to provide a public comment. That's
correct.

997
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:15,480
» Okay.

998
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:19,679
» Okay.
>> All right.

999
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:24,239
» Um, I think we have
I think we have good instruction on

1000
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:31,080
this. Um, I'll make a motion to continue
this hearing until September 22nd at 7

1001
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:31,080
p.m.

1002
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:37,920
» Second.
>> All in favor for the continuence, please

1003
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:41,239
raise your hand. It's 5-0.
Thanks everyone.

1004
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:57,280
» Okay. All right. Let's now turn to
>> item four. Uh this will be I'll open up

1005
01:34:53,280 --> 01:35:02,159
the public hearing for 17 Nason Street.
Uh this is an application to renew an

1006
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:06,960
existing special permit to oper operate
a marijuana retail establishment in the

1007
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:10,560
central business zoning district at 17
Mason Street. Paula, thanks for coming

1008
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:13,679
in.
>> Thanks for having me.

1009
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:15,520
» Um just for the record, could you please
introduce yourself?

1010
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:19,920
» Sure.
>> Uh my name is Milwauke. I'm with the

1011
01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:26,080
Mass Wall Street and like you said, I'm
here to uh renew our existing special

1012
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:32,080
permit uh to operate adult use
dispensary at 17 Mason Street and also a

1013
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:36,719
new special permit application for a
medical license to operate at the same

1014
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:44,159
address.
>> Thanks, Olaf. Um, Bill or Zoe, do you

1015
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:49,199
have uh any comments on this renewal?
Particularly, has has there been good

1016
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:53,920
compliance from the applicant over the
past couple years? Are there any fines

1017
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:56,880
or anything else that are pending? Any
non-compliance that the board should be

1018
01:35:55,440 --> 01:36:00,400
aware of?
>> Nothing that's been reported to us.

1019
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:05,840
» It's been fine. Everything's been fine.
Renewals been fine. this particular

1020
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:08,800
renewal. Um we asked them to run them
both together because there's a

1021
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:14,159
marijuana
um

1022
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:19,520
um application that has yet to be
approved by the attorney general. We've

1023
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:25,679
been waiting for it to uh go forward. uh
since it's he um

1024
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:29,679
we contact the attorney general's office
and we don't expect

1025
01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:36,000
uh approve their behind and they don't
expect approval till October. So what I

1026
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,320
would recommend the board did at this
point because we're running behind

1027
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:40,400
already and we're trying to do it
together to make it simple for the

1028
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:46,000
board.
>> Sorry, I'm I'm not following. What I

1029
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:48,639
have here on the agenda is just a
renewal of the existing special permit

1030
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:53,440
on the agenda.
>> Uh marijuana should be on there. Is it

1031
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:58,159
» medical is not on the this attachment is
not on the agenda.

1032
01:36:54,800 --> 01:37:00,960
» Um the agenda I have just says existing
special permit for a retail

1033
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,920
establishment.
>> Ah okay. That's a that's a blunder on my

1034
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:07,119
part.
>> So So that's what I opened I opened the

1035
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:10,960
public hearing for that.
>> I see. I see.

1036
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:14,800
» Well, I think we're going to have to
>> let's see here. So, okay, we will have

1037
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:22,159
to Well, okay, we'll take care of that
offline. Um, what I would what what that

1038
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:26,480
will involve is um it was already
advertised. It wasn't Yeah, it wasn't

1039
01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:31,920
advertised. Here's what we'll do. If you
continue the medical marijuana,

1040
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:36,080
» it hasn't been open.
>> There's no medical mar There's no

1041
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:38,880
medical marijuana, but it was advertised
on a legal notice.

1042
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:41,679
» It was It was advertised, but the public
hearing wasn't open.

1043
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:46,159
» That's correct. So, the public hearing
will be postponed or what we would call

1044
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:48,480
Yeah. postponed till the next hearing
for the medical marijuana.

1045
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:52,080
» Okay.
>> Okay. At that point, we're going to have

1046
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:56,880
to continue it because unless the
attorney general comes

1047
01:37:54,400 --> 01:38:02,639
through with another uh with a finding
in between now and two weeks. That is on

1048
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:08,719
my that's my fault. It was just not
proper. Um the uh renewal should be uh

1049
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:13,280
acted on tonight. There's been no
problems. has been also been fine with

1050
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:17,760
it. And so what I would say is uh
formally just to uh postpone

1051
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:23,600
um so we so it can be properly
advertised. Anybody who came for the

1052
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:28,800
meeting tonight for the um legal notice
is um

1053
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:32,560
aware uh and we'll put we'll put that to
the you say the 22nd was the next one.

1054
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:35,520
» Yes.
>> And understanding that we're going to

1055
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:40,800
have to continue it again till the end
of October probably. Apologies Olaf off.

1056
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:42,960
That's my fault. But um should be
relatively painless.

1057
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:48,880
» Okay.
>> Uh so far as compliance has been

1058
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:52,400
excellent. No, no, no issues whatsoever.
And in the end, it's going to be a

1059
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:55,760
separate special permit anyway because
of the dates.

1060
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:59,840
So,
>> um can you bring up the the notice?

1061
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:04,880
» Yes.
>> Just so I can see it before I take any

1062
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:08,960
more action. I just want to make sure.
>> Um I'm looking for it, too.

1063
01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:16,679
This is a a copy of what was published
in the Metro West Daily News.

1064
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:25,520
Yeah. So, what was advertised is
petitioners requesting a new special

1065
01:39:22,639 --> 01:39:28,639
permit authorizing medical marijuana
use and the renewal of the existing

1066
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:32,480
special permit to operate a marijuana
retail establishment in the central

1067
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:35,600
business owning district 17 days. And
let's pull the agenda to make sure I

1068
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:39,520
didn't that this one wasn't printed
wrong. They mention it.

1069
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:43,840
» No, this one just says um public hearing
17 Mason Street. It has the original

1070
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:50,159
special permit last renewal which was
approved in 2024 and then 2605

1071
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:55,280
260 is the new one.
>> So that just got

1072
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:58,400
» Okay. So we advertised and we have an
agenda with the renewal.

1073
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,880
» Correct.
>> Which is the hearing I just opened.

1074
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:04,080
» Yes.
>> So we can take action on that.

1075
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:08,080
» Yes. And it seems like we don't need to
take action on anything else because it

1076
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:10,080
was not on the agenda.
>> You're going to postpone it.

1077
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,560
» You can postpone it because it was
advertised.

1078
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:13,920
» Okay. So, we'll take care of that after.
>> Correct.

1079
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:18,080
» Right. As a separate item.
>> I wanted to split them anyway.

1080
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:23,760
» Understood. Well, you did that. So, um
Okay. Back to the renewal

1081
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:28,719
um special permit. Um any comments or
questions from the board?

1082
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:32,480
And to to be clear, this is about a
special permit renewal for a retail

1083
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:35,480
establishment in the central business
district.

1084
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:43,040
» They're two they're limited to two years
from the effective date of the new

1085
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:46,880
special permit. So whatever um you know
after the appeal period same as the

1086
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:49,280
others two years is
>> everybody has to come two years.

1087
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:54,159
» Understood.
>> Are the conditions still valid or some

1088
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:59,520
no longer needed or anything?
>> I don't know. Um I would in general

1089
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:04,000
define defer to all conditions remaining
valid unless there's a good reason. Um

1090
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:08,639
are there any reasons to drop some of
the conditions?

1091
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:13,199
» Is there any requests to change anyone
was maintaining the clock?

1092
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,800
» And have you have you maintained the
clock?

1093
01:41:13,679 --> 01:41:19,520
» I believe so. Yes.
>> We love that clock.

1094
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:22,639
» Do you have any requests of the board?
>> Maybe after this because I have a

1095
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:26,320
question and followup questioning
regarding the opening hours. So I'm not

1096
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:31,119
sure if that is part of this
>> because it's more general question I

1097
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:36,080
guess because the board of health they
think that they are the authority to

1098
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:40,480
regulate opening hours and the select
board they also say that they are the

1099
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:44,639
authority and I heard that the planning
board also early on so I don't know

1100
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:49,520
which one is
>> ultimately theost host community

1101
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:52,080
agreement um host community agreement by
the select board controls

1102
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:56,639
» the select board okay
>> right this is a zoning We're we're what

1103
01:41:54,639 --> 01:42:00,719
we're doing is saying okay the zoning is
good here here's the conditions we are

1104
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:06,400
approving under but the select board
without a host well it's actually both

1105
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:11,920
ways the planning board I suppose
uh could trump

1106
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:15,199
» something the HCA did I suppose but uh
>> I think it would be the more restrictive

1107
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:18,480
of the two
>> uh the public health officer I don't

1108
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:21,520
think has a role
>> I don't think

1109
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:25,760
» and and hours of oper
>> did you have to go see them for

1110
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:30,159
Well, initially, yes, I had to um
because the board of health bylaws, they

1111
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,960
added that they are regulating the
opening hours

1112
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:37,920
» and then the select
>> I don't think they have any chang

1113
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:42,000
» that was that was years ago.
>> Yes, it was months ago.

1114
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:45,040
» That might have been when the when the
state was more heavy-handed with the

1115
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,440
regulations of this and it was some of
it was through the public health

1116
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:49,040
departments. But
>> you check in tomorrow, we can clear that

1117
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:54,960
up.
>> Okay. It it my understanding it would be

1118
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:59,760
planning board has some authority to to
limit and restrict

1119
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:03,840
» but select board with host agreement is
the primary vehicle for hours and

1120
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:07,560
operations. We don't have we would
appear in every hourgl

1121
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:21,520
right now but we are discussing I was
talked to Greg um last week and uh

1122
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:26,159
regarding this and he said let's talk
about it at the select board meeting but

1123
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:30,639
» what hours would you like to propose?
>> Uh we have not decided yet but uh I

1124
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:34,400
think that we will expand the hours.
What hours would you not with your

1125
01:43:32,639 --> 01:43:37,600
conversations, what hours would you
like?

1126
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:43,760
» Well, we still we're looking at the the
logistics of the staffing and stuff like

1127
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:47,280
that, but it definitely um add hours to
end of the week, maybe reduce hours on

1128
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:53,280
Sundays
>> and maybe Mondays and Tuesday early in

1129
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:58,400
the week, but also we discussed uh
opening way later and even earlier, but

1130
01:43:56,719 --> 01:44:02,639
yeah, we haven't really decided yet. I
just want to check to see who I should

1131
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:05,600
talk to.
>> Seems like we don't really know, but

1132
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:08,320
Bill will figure it out for you.
>> So, I thought we put it in yours. Maybe

1133
01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:11,440
we didn't put the
>> I mean, you remember we amended them

1134
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:15,440
when
>> I remember, too, cuz it it's 8 to 10 now

1135
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:19,360
or something.
>> 10 to 8.

1136
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,199
» Oh, okay.
Okay.

1137
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:26,520
» I got
>> Well, apparently I'm okay with with the

1138
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:26,520
other way around.

1139
01:44:27,679 --> 01:44:35,280
That's what I thought it was.
>> It doesn't look like there's anything in

1140
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:37,920
this this record of decisions from this
location.

1141
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:42,000
» Probably carried over,
>> but no, I think this this goes back to

1142
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:46,080
the first
um special permit that was approved for

1143
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:48,960
this location.
>> We ch I remember distinctly we changed

1144
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:52,159
it at one point.
>> Me, too.

1145
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:55,679
» But I I'll look it up all but if there's
something you want,

1146
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:58,320
» Bill, let's do this. Bill, do you should
we continue?

1147
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,800
» Operation
>> 10 to 10.

1148
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:02,880
» Oh, 10 to 10.
>> The first one.

1149
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:06,080
» The first one.
>> That sound all right?

1150
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,040
» Yes. Well, most likely. Yes. But we
never stayed open to 10.

1151
01:45:08,480 --> 01:45:12,960
» Well,
>> well, you have permission to. So, from

1152
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:17,440
» as far as these guys are concerned,
>> no breakfast.

1153
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:23,280
» Maybe you're missing a market. Didn't we
update it to 8:00 a.m. to 10 p.m.?

1154
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:27,600
» I could have sworn we did at some point
>> if we asked for it.

1155
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:29,440
» The guys in Boulder are open till se at
7 a.m.

1156
01:45:28,719 --> 01:45:35,719
» 7 a.m.
>> Yeah. Right next to the coffee.

1157
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,719
It's weird.

1158
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:44,000
» Do we want to like just change that to
defer to select board or do we want to

1159
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:46,880
set a you know nothing between 1000 p.m.
and 6:00 a.m.?

1160
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:50,880
» No. No. No. No. I don't want to make
>> Let's do this. Do

1161
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:54,800
does
is your advice to continue this until

1162
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:59,280
this item should get figured out or
should we just vote on the on renewal?

1163
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:01,920
» I I I are you happy with the way it is
10 to 10?

1164
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:04,560
» Yes. Yeah. We're going with that, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1165
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:07,600
» And if there's a subsequent
modification, I turn up cuz I could have

1166
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:10,239
sworn we did eight to 10.
>> All right. So, there's no proposed

1167
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:13,600
changes.
>> Whatever the most current is, it it

1168
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:17,679
would have been more.
>> That's fine. So

1169
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:22,480
» because his first his first one was he
was the first one we did and he had like

1170
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:26,080
» huge number of conditions.
>> I'm just trying to get through this

1171
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:29,920
hearing right now. So that so no
proposed changes to the to the

1172
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:37,520
conditions.
Okay. I'll open up for public comment.

1173
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:42,480
» Um if there's members on on the um
virtually online if you'd like to um

1174
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:47,360
provide a public comment, please use the
raise hand feature. Um, Zoe, I'm noting

1175
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,199
that there is no one here at town hall
to provide a public comment. Is that

1176
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:53,119
correct?
>> That's correct.

1177
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:59,760
» Thank you. Um, any other questions or
comments from the board?

1178
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:02,880
Bill or Zoe, what is the motion here
to renew the special permit for a period

1179
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,000
of two years?
>> Yes.

1180
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:05,199
» Two.
>> Two.

1181
01:47:04,639 --> 01:47:11,760
» Okay.
>> Three years. We do from effective date.

1182
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:15,639
So we did we give them every
as soon as you know we

1183
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:22,400
effective date of the permit.
>> Okay. So the MO Okay, we'll get that in

1184
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:26,000
a second. Um
>> but that doesn't need to be does that

1185
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:32,239
need to be specified or does it does it
attach automatically as the term?

1186
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:38,400
» Well, that's a question. And also
there's one other thing I want to add

1187
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:44,880
here which is um uh relevant to it's not
in the the public hearing for the for

1188
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:49,440
medical use but there will be a 2-year
there will be a 2-year renewal period on

1189
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,800
the medical use as well.
>> I think that's what it is.

1190
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:56,320
» Okay. So is there any mode by which the
board can synchronize the renewal

1191
01:47:54,480 --> 01:48:00,719
period? That's what we were trying to do
originally, but because the AG approval

1192
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:05,280
and then pull off expired. It's already
expired. So, you filed it here.

1193
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:09,360
» So, that's why I don't want to do it.
>> But in a perfect world, yeah, we would

1194
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:14,480
put them together and we we there's
probably a way we can do it at our next

1195
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:17,520
two years. Yeah.
>> For now.

1196
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:20,960
» Cuz the attorney general could say, "No,
you know, something's wrong. You know,

1197
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:26,400
we don't want this."
>> I Yeah. That's a request. Just

1198
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:32,320
» Okay. review him as a existent.
>> All right. I will um seeing no no

1199
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:35,199
comments from the board, I'll um make a
motion to close the hearing.

1200
01:48:34,639 --> 01:48:39,280
» Second.
>> All in favor to close the hearing,

1201
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:45,840
please raise your hand. That's 50 to
close the hearing. So um what is what's

1202
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:53,440
the what's the date I'm referencing in
this motion?

1203
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:57,080
» The uh you have the Yeah. ex uh
the um

1204
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:00,239
uh
>> there is the number

1205
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:03,679
» this
>> 2410.

1206
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:09,040
» Yeah. So say renewing
>> petition number 2410 for a period of 2

1207
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:12,040
years.
>> Um

1208
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:19,840
» what's petition 2410?
>> No, I I'm sorry. I just I I think this

1209
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:24,880
that it should be a motion to renew the
existing special permit because this was

1210
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:29,119
a renewal of of its own special permit
and if we have a a reference number here

1211
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:32,800
then we'll get that
>> yeah

1212
01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:36,080
for a period of two years. That's it.
Right.

1213
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:41,119
» Renewing the existing special permit for
adult use marijuana retail for a period

1214
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:45,440
of two years.
Um, I'll make a motion to renew the

1215
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:51,440
special permit for Masswell Springspring
LLC at 17 Street. Uh, to renew the

1216
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:55,960
existing special permit for marijuana
retail establishment for 2 years.

1217
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:06,800
» I'll second that.
All in favor, please raise your hand.

1218
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:13,920
It's 50 to issue the renewal. And now if
we could postpone um the uh because of

1219
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:18,239
the failure to include it on the agenda
the the it was advertised I just

1220
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:22,080
postpone it till the 22nd and that will
be the medical marijuana and we're going

1221
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:25,600
to have just as I said unless something
comes in we'll continue it.

1222
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:30,400
» Sure. So, as a note to the public and
for the meeting minutes, um there was a

1223
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:37,600
public hearing that was scheduled for
tonight for 17 Nation Street regarding

1224
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:44,560
um medical marijuana establishment for
the central business district. That

1225
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:47,840
public hearing is being postponed until
>> 22

1226
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:51,440
» or for sure or until further notice?
>> Until until September 27th.

1227
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:57,920
» Okay. That public hearing is being
postponed until

1228
01:50:53,520 --> 01:51:02,719
September 22nd at 7:00 p.m.
End of notice.

1229
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:05,920
» Okay, that's it. Olaf, thank you for
your time. Thanks for coming in.

1230
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:08,800
» Have a good evening.
>> Thank you.

1231
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:12,480
» Thanks a lot. See you in two weeks,
right? See you before.

1232
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,719
» All right.
>> All right. We have zoning amendments. Uh

1233
01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:23,440
I'll open up the public hearing for
zoning bylaw amendments. There are three

1234
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:27,760
amendments listed in the uh agenda and
these are um bylaws that will be

1235
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:33,920
recommended for approval for town
meeting on October 13th, 2026.

1236
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:39,599
The three amendments are listed A, B,
and C. A is an to amend section 7.5 of

1237
01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:48,159
the wireless telecommunications tower
and facility requirements as noted. uh

1238
01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:55,440
or B is amend section 312 of the use
regulations for table A use regulations

1239
01:51:49,920 --> 01:52:05,199
as noted and C amends section 7
um 710 inclusionary housing as noted.

1240
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:07,520
I presume Zoe or Bill may lead us in
this discussion.

1241
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:11,119
» Sure.
>> Where would you like to begin?

1242
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:16,239
» I would start with a
>> A

1243
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:20,080
um
with telecom telecommunications tower

1244
01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:24,480
safety.
>> Yes.

1245
01:52:20,639 --> 01:52:28,560
» Okay. Um the gist of it is that
telecommunications tower cell towers

1246
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:36,080
have to come before the board every two
years for renewal of special permit. The

1247
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:42,320
standard uh in the industry for um
attestations of the structural integrity

1248
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:47,760
of the towers is 5 years. And we wanted
to prevent a circumstance whereby a cell

1249
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:53,280
tower would come in for a two-year
special permit with one year left on

1250
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:58,480
their um on their structural
certification and then that that

1251
01:52:55,840 --> 01:53:04,239
certification would require updating in
between the term of special permit. So

1252
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:07,760
the idea here is that if the
certification

1253
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:13,360
is dated within three years of the
application date, it will have two years

1254
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:17,639
left at least so that it won't expire
before their special permit expires.

1255
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:28,159
» How do all the structural engineers feel
about feel about this? Speaking as a

1256
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:34,440
nonstructural engineer farm.
>> No, not me. I think I think we have one

1257
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:34,440
maybe.

1258
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,599
» Yeah, man.
>> I don't have an SE, but Oh, I mean

1259
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:43,880
that's what I that's what I do.
>> You don't count.

1260
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:43,880
» He does count.

1261
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:48,480
» Sounds good to me.
>> Fine.

1262
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:51,440
» Any any questions, comments about the
way this is phrased?

1263
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:56,159
» Yeah. So, my
>> my only question is the It says three

1264
01:53:53,840 --> 01:54:00,880
years of the application
date.

1265
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:04,880
I mean it really wants to be
is that enough? I mean the daily put the

1266
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:12,639
application not the day the renewal
starts. You're okay with that?

1267
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:15,520
» I think that's a valid observation.
Um

1268
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:20,800
» well we went by the um remember the spec
man recommended 5 years. No, but he's

1269
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:23,679
saying within 3 years of the application
date for the special permit renewal or

1270
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:28,320
the
>> issuance

1271
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:31,119
» issuance of the renewal.
>> Can you change the word?

1272
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:34,159
We can do that.
>> I mean, you're not Are you going to put

1273
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:37,440
the application in a more than a year
before the renewal?

1274
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:43,119
» No, because it has to um has to go
before within what 20 days? 20 uh within

1275
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:46,719
14 days. Not
>> Oh, really? Yeah.

1276
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:53,000
» Oh, and I don't think it matters much. I
mean, I guess it could be continued,

1277
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:53,000
but um

1278
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,320
» I guess my my decision factor on this
would be

1279
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:05,920
where are we in the town meeting
timeline? Is this already been printed?

1280
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:11,920
» Yes. No, yes and no. Yeah, if you would
like to join us for glue stick time for

1281
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:16,719
the revised text that we will glue in
each copy of the warrant. I I think that

1282
01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:19,199
they haven't been printed yet, but if we
need to make changes, we'd have to make

1283
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:23,920
them like like
>> Okay. I was just trying to so our chair

1284
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:27,119
doesn't have to present a amended
motion.

1285
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:31,440
» I Yeah, I see. Chris loves the
limelight.

1286
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:37,960
» I love presenting amended motions. It is
so much fun.

1287
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:37,960
I think it's fine as it is.

1288
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:45,679
» I also don't really understand what he
said. So,

1289
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:48,960
» no, I I get what he means cuz what if
somebody applied for a renewal of a

1290
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:52,880
special permit and then it was it was
caught up in in in hearings continuing

1291
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,520
for years and years.
>> Oh, yeah.

1292
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,280
» Woof.
>> Yeah.

1293
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,080
» Then they can just pay for another
structural engineer.

1294
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:04,800
» Yeah. I think this would all probably be
be dealt with in the proceedings of the

1295
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:10,080
of the permit.
>> Then then they wouldn't but they they

1296
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:12,719
wouldn't have a tower anymore to be it
wouldn't be active.

1297
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:15,199
» Yeah.
>> Um

1298
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:19,280
» I think the whole point is that they
they need these things renewed

1299
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:27,040
» I think so that they can continue to
operate their the cellular devices.

1300
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:31,119
Any
other questions, comments?

1301
01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:34,800
Um, Peter, I see you're still joining
this hearing. Um, if I'm just going to

1302
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:38,639
open up for public comment. If you want
to comment on any of these three, just

1303
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:42,800
please raise your hand, but no pressure
if you don't.

1304
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:46,159
» Yeah, I'm mostly just listening, but I
will ask questions if I have them, but

1305
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:52,080
not on this one. Thank you.
>> Okay, just raise your hand if you feel

1306
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:58,080
like commenting. Um, okay, Zoe.
>> Okay, next.

1307
01:56:54,480 --> 01:57:03,360
Um, now does does the board have to vote
on vote uh to recommend approval to plan

1308
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:05,599
meeting?
>> But they don't have to vote on each

1309
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:10,560
particular
>> Well, this is one public hearing. So,

1310
01:57:08,719 --> 01:57:17,119
the way I see it, we should take one
vote on the public hearing, but

1311
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:23,679
» all you do together if you want, right?
>> Okay. All right. So, next we're looking

1312
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:26,639
at the use table.
Is that correct?

1313
01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:31,119
» We're fetching your file.
>> Yes.

1314
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:39,119
» This is the addition of a footnote to
our use table which restates

1315
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:45,199
that in the section zoning bylaw section
9.6.3 which regulates the uh healthcare

1316
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:52,480
industrial
zone i.e. the mill that multif family

1317
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:57,040
use is only allowed by right for
existing structures. That if you if you

1318
01:57:55,199 --> 01:58:01,199
want to put multif family housing into
the mill already that that can be by

1319
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:05,520
right, but if you wanted to build a new
building or demolish

1320
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:09,520
an old building and rebuild it, you will
have to come before the planning board

1321
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:15,440
for a special permit.
This isn't adding any any new policy. is

1322
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:21,560
just adding an an additional note of the
policy into disabled.

1323
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:21,560
» I like it.

1324
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:26,440
» Clarification.
>> Clarification.

1325
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:36,360
And a a dagger.
>> A dagger.

1326
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:36,360
» A dagger. It's a dagger.

1327
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:42,159
That's right.
>> All right. The upper parking lot's GR,

1328
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,920
correct?
What?

1329
01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:46,480
» Sorry. What?
>> The upper parking lot is GR.

1330
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:50,040
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1331
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:50,040
» Okay.

1332
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:56,679
» Any questions?

1333
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:07,199
» What did Yeah. What is 166? What is
>> that? Is the refer is a footnote that

1334
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:11,440
shows where which meeting the policy was
adopted. See where the models were.

1335
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:15,040
» Oh my god. We got to squeeze another
footnote in there. Another 182 or

1336
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:19,440
something.
>> They're handy though sometimes when you

1337
01:59:16,480 --> 01:59:23,320
need it. We're always glad information
request when you see those.

1338
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:28,960
» And by the way, the footnote is already
there. It's just a dagger that isn't

1339
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,960
there.
>> Right.

1340
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:38,080
» Then why is the footnote underlined?
>> It's not.

1341
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:44,080
» It is.
>> Only the dagger's underline. 166 not

1342
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:47,840
» so close.
>> See, it doesn't

1343
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:50,320
» That's good. Okay,
>> good job.

1344
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,080
» All right.
>> Okay.

1345
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:56,960
» How come it looks to me like the
footnotes? I don't like

1346
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,920
» dot game
>> for existing structures only.

1347
01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:01,199
» He's talking about the text on the
bottom.

1348
02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:08,719
» Yeah.
>> Oh. Um cuz this isn't a footnote. This

1349
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:14,159
is this is a the foot. Okay. So I guess
okay this is an end note

1350
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:17,599
» and this is a I guess this is a
footnote.

1351
02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:20,400
» I I think that's all new text.
>> Yes. Correct. Correct.

1352
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:23,760
» So yeah,
>> exactly.

1353
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:26,400
» I think the the cross is a footnote.
>> Yes.

1354
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:28,800
» And the number 166 is an endnote is at
the end of the document.

1355
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:31,679
» Correct. Yes. Right.
>> Nice job. Noted

1356
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:36,480
at the end.
>> All right. That'll be a test at the end

1357
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:39,040
of town meeting. Yeah.
>> Next one. All right,

1358
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:40,400
» that's going to be my whole
presentation.

1359
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,000
» Moving on.
>> A dagger.

1360
02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:45,840
» Dagger.
>> Well, I'm going to include dagger, but

1361
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:47,679
I'm not the the difference between end
note and footnote.

1362
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:50,800
» Yes,
>> that's the whole presentation.

1363
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:57,040
» This one has some has some substance to
it. So, um and it's it there is an

1364
02:00:54,080 --> 02:01:05,199
ellipsus here, but what this amends is
item B under the density bonus section

1365
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:11,280
of the 7.10.4 for mandatory provision of
affordable units section of inclusionary

1366
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:17,440
housing. And what this does is
>> Can you zoom in?

1367
02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:23,760
» Yes. Um can't do it anymore.
This is

1368
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:26,880
why I want that.
>> Sorry, you can keep talking. I'm just

1369
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:32,320
» blind.
>> Okay. All right.

1370
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:36,480
In our in our bylaws right now, it says
new develop new residential development

1371
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:40,800
allowed by right that is not subject to
this bylaw may pro uh can provide

1372
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:46,560
affordable units should the applicant
volunteer and therefore be eligible for

1373
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:51,920
the same benefits specified above. And
what that means is that if you have a a

1374
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:57,760
project with under six units and you
aren't required to um provide affordable

1375
02:01:55,599 --> 02:02:03,840
units under our inclusionary zoning
bylaw and your project is by right, you

1376
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:10,000
can have an affordable unit voluntarily
and get a reduction in in the square

1377
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:15,920
footage minimum. So you can reduce the
size of the units to to a smaller square

1378
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:20,719
footage if you voluntarily agree to have
an affordable unit even if you're not

1379
02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:27,440
required to. Right now this only is
offered to projects that are allowed by

1380
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:32,239
right. But as we saw, for example, a
project like 16 Waltham Street,

1381
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:40,000
sometimes a small project comes along
that is still subject to planning

1382
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:46,000
special permit review that might want to
do that. And so this would amend the

1383
02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:50,480
bylaws to say that any new residential
development

1384
02:02:48,080 --> 02:02:53,840
not subject to inclusionary zoning may
provide affordable units should the

1385
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:57,280
applicant volunteer and therefore be
eligible by by the benefit specified

1386
02:02:55,599 --> 02:03:03,280
above by special permit of the planning
board. So it's up to the board to uh

1387
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:09,040
consider that arrangement
and it's not limited to only byite

1388
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:13,760
projects.
It's remains open to buy projects, but

1389
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:20,480
it also allows small residential
projects that would say be a five units

1390
02:03:17,599 --> 02:03:24,960
to have one affordable unit for example
and negotiate smaller square footage

1391
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:30,880
with the planning board as part of their
special permit.

1392
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:36,080
I don't remember where this is in the
zoning, but

1393
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:39,760
if they do that, do they also get
involved in all the rigma roll of a

1394
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:41,199
development agreement and open space
commitment?

1395
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:45,080
» No.
>> No, that's only the DoD,

1396
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:56,159
» but that would apply to 17 WAM Street
because it is in the DoD, right? Um it

1397
02:03:52,880 --> 02:04:01,040
this this is um this inclusionary zoning
would apply throughout the town and so

1398
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:06,000
it would provide an option even within
the DoD for smaller projects that would

1399
02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:13,520
not necessarily want to go through the
DoD's own version of this. So it could

1400
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:20,560
potentially cause a duplication or even
a conflict with the density flexibility

1401
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:26,400
of the DoD. Um that's something to to
contemplate.

1402
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:33,040
But it would grant that
um it it it allows this now for biomite

1403
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:41,280
projects. So,
it's a little it's a little unclear to

1404
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:46,159
me. Like, for example, a a six a sixunit
mixeduse project in the DoD is a byite

1405
02:04:44,480 --> 02:04:50,800
project
and they could

1406
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:55,599
they could benefit from this and not go
through the DoD's own density bonus

1407
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:59,520
section. Isn't that right?
>> That's correct. So, they're they're

1408
02:04:57,440 --> 02:05:04,400
basically they're not able to
participate in the density bonus program

1409
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:06,159
with the inclusionary zoning if you're
under

1410
02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:10,880
» six.
>> Yeah. So,

1411
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:17,119
but all of this would still be within
the planning board's special permit

1412
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:22,719
authority. So I don't see a I can't
personally see a scenario in which a

1413
02:05:19,679 --> 02:05:29,760
person would be gaming the system
because the board would still be able to

1414
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:36,440
see and apply the criteria as
appropriate to the application and its

1415
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:36,440
specifics.

1416
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:45,520
Sure, sounds good.

1417
02:05:46,880 --> 02:05:54,639
I might perish at this meeting. So, I
say let's do it.

1418
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:58,159
Are there are there I I I
love the positivity.

1419
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:02,159
Um
but are there any other questions about

1420
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:08,400
this or concerns about it? And you know,
we do have this inclusionary zoning. we

1421
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:15,520
do have this reduction of of floor size
minimums in the DoD and it's creeping

1422
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:18,719
into other and it's also available in
through our inclusionary zoning

1423
02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:24,960
throughout the rest of town. So there
are some places where the DoD and our

1424
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:32,480
inclusionary zoning bylaws overlap or or
are duplicative and a person in the DoD

1425
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:34,960
might pursue one or other approach based
on whether or not they want to go

1426
02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:38,079
through the rigor of development
agreement.

1427
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:41,360
» It sounds like the change is going to
just allow us to have more oversight.

1428
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:45,599
» Yes.
>> For these eventualities.

1429
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:50,079
» Yes.
But this this density bonus is you build

1430
02:06:48,239 --> 02:06:55,040
an affordable and you can build an extra
market, right?

1431
02:06:51,599 --> 02:07:00,639
» No, that's not a bonus unit.
>> It's only a reduction in the size

1432
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:05,119
» if I'm not.
>> And 710 has a reduction in size.

1433
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:11,679
» Isn't that what that is?
>> Well, what section 10 does, it allows

1434
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:15,840
for a uh reduced
pull from here. Um it allows for a

1435
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:22,960
reduced
lot area as necessary

1436
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:26,000
to achieve a um
extra market for

1437
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:31,400
» requested number of units.
>> Yeah.

1438
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:31,400
» So the way it reads is um

1439
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:35,320
let's see 710.

1440
02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:45,079
» Are you sharing that screen?
>> Am I? No.

1441
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:54,880
» So this this is in discussion. It's it's
a sub paragraph of density bonus, but

1442
02:07:52,639 --> 02:08:01,599
the planning board may allow an increase
in the total number of market rate units

1443
02:07:57,679 --> 02:08:07,199
by a number equal to the
required affordable units not to exceed

1444
02:08:04,560 --> 02:08:08,800
10 bonus units.
>> Okay.

1445
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:13,119
» So this is bonus units,
>> right?

1446
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:18,079
» Okay. And the minimum lot area per
dwelling

1447
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:26,480
unit normally required in the applicable
zoning district may be reduced by that

1448
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:33,920
amount area necessary to permit the
additional market rate and bonus unit.

1449
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:39,119
For example, in a development that must
provide two affordable units, an

1450
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:45,119
additional two market rate units may be
allowed through the reduction in minimum

1451
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:50,880
lot area per dwelling unit. All other
standard standard dimensional

1452
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:55,280
requirements shall be met. The the
density bonus may only be granted for

1453
02:08:53,360 --> 02:09:00,639
developments providing the units on site
blah blah blah. And then what Zoe is

1454
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:05,599
amending there is the second part to
that underneath which is B. New

1455
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:09,440
residential allowed by right that is not
subject to this bylaw. So in other

1456
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:14,639
words, this is we're talking about a
five unit development can provide

1457
02:09:12,639 --> 02:09:21,760
affordable units should the applicant
volunteer and therefore be eligible for

1458
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:28,239
the same benefits specified again above.
So we when we put by right

1459
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:33,760
that's that was the poison pill there.
>> Yeah. But you guys not you guys but the

1460
02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:37,360
the bylaw here was trying to capture the
other option which is the by right

1461
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:40,639
option instead of the special permit
path option.

1462
02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:44,719
» So I get why
>> we require special permit for multif

1463
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:46,480
family. So we kind of tripped oursel up
with what happened.

1464
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:49,040
» I got it. Okay.
>> Yeah.

1465
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:54,480
» So this doesn't prevent anyone who could
build it by right from doing that. still

1466
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:57,679
everyone else it's it's it still allows
>> by right. So if it's by right this is

1467
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:01,119
still applicable.
>> Correct. Yeah. The developer comes in

1468
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:03,440
tomorrow and and they need a special
permit to do it. You just that is say

1469
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:08,480
hey look
>> we're not required to participate in

1470
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:12,960
your inclusionary zoning to achieve our
density bonus and get the extra unit. So

1471
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:14,960
we want to do it.
>> Mhm.

1472
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:19,280
» And you guys just do it. There's no
development agreement. No. And it just

1473
02:10:16,719 --> 02:10:24,000
has to go to and it so the special
permit criteria would be the 10.4

1474
02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:25,360
special permit
>> if it's Yes.

1475
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:30,880
» Right.
>> Well, if it was in the uh um

1476
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:36,639
» if it's in the DoD, then then the DoD
would apply, but the question I think is

1477
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:41,199
about whether the DoD's own internal
uh density bonuses

1478
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:43,760
because the DoD has its own language
about

1479
02:10:41,679 --> 02:10:47,360
» it does. It does, but this is a that's a
different process that requires open

1480
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:51,119
space agreements and designed for larger
scale. Yeah. It's not designed for two

1481
02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:56,800
or three years discretion about whether
they apply this or the DoD or DoD

1482
02:10:53,920 --> 02:11:00,320
projects that meet this very restricted
set of criteria because it would be five

1483
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:05,360
units or fewer. This would just this
would be a this would be a very strict

1484
02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:08,079
special permit just for the density
bonus units

1485
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:12,079
» just for us to get the
>> that's it for

1486
02:11:09,840 --> 02:11:15,199
» if it were a multif family use outside
of the DoD that required a special

1487
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:19,199
permit
>> then they could apply for this. So let's

1488
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:24,079
say that it was in GR and they wanted to
put in um you know and they wanted to

1489
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:27,920
put in five units that they could um
make they wanted to put in four units

1490
02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:34,880
that they could make one affordable and
then get five. Mhm.

1491
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:39,599
But they let's say there's by right and
the special permit would only be for

1492
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:42,560
wouldn't be for for the whole project.
It would just be for the bonus units

1493
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:44,880
» then
>> in that case. Right.

1494
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:45,599
» Yes.
>> Right.

1495
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:51,440
» Correct.
>> So someone came in for buy use. They

1496
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:55,360
wanted to apply this
and it says they have to go to special

1497
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:58,560
permit for with the planning board. Our
special permit review would just be

1498
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:03,599
about the density bonus units.
>> No, because we we require special permit

1499
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:06,239
for multif family uses. So three
>> I was trying to think of anything else

1500
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:11,199
that would get tri triggered
>> this disc this by right the the notion

1501
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:15,040
of residential multif family development
that would that would would even do this

1502
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:17,199
by right. I don't even know if that has
ever existed.

1503
02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:24,079
» So yeah so I'll say it differently.
Here's my question. Right. Um this this

1504
02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:29,199
now would this now means that any byite
use would have to come to special permit

1505
02:12:26,719 --> 02:12:32,639
if they wanted to use this part of the
zoning bylaw. Right.

1506
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:41,679
» Um
>> yes but there is no by use that would um

1507
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:46,000
there is no byite use that allows multif
family development.

1508
02:12:44,320 --> 02:12:47,360
» Okay. What's multif family?
>> Three and over.

1509
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:49,920
» Three and over.
>> Three and over. Okay. So a duplex

1510
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:54,840
wouldn't trigger.
>> No.

1511
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:54,840
» But at the same time,

1512
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:58,719
» I don't know whether that we're closing
ourselves off.

1513
02:12:57,280 --> 02:13:03,679
» That's I'm just thinking that.
>> So if I had a duplex and I added made

1514
02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:08,800
one affordable then made it into a
three.

1515
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:12,079
Am I just getting a special permit to go
to three and no other special permits

1516
02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:15,679
because it was as of right.
>> Yeah.

1517
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:19,280
» Well, I think so. that that's a good not
that that's really going to happen.

1518
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:23,119
» Well, the the easy insertion would just
be a new res new multif family

1519
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:25,920
residential development.
>> I'm fine with the

1520
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:28,560
» Now, we can use our crayons on town hall
meeting.

1521
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:31,599
» Huh.
>> Now, we have to break out the crayons

1522
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:34,639
for the for the town more.
>> I'm sorry.

1523
02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:36,880
» To to No, I think you if you do that,
you can get you just get to them first

1524
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,119
thing in the morning.
>> Yeah, we can get this we can get this

1525
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,880
changed up
>> if you won that. I think that would do

1526
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:44,880
it.
>> Yeah. new multif family because now the

1527
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:48,639
truth is what Bill just said could
happen anyway because of ADU if it's

1528
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:51,199
under
>> but that's not that's not regulated as a

1529
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:54,159
multif family.
>> No

1530
02:13:53,199 --> 02:13:58,239
one want third unit.
>> We do we do want to consider the idea of

1531
02:13:55,920 --> 02:14:04,800
affordable ADUs coming into existence.
So it's certainly good to leave that

1532
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:08,560
open. So yeah I'll put in multif family.
>> I thought the concept of ADU was that it

1533
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:12,400
was affordable.
Yeah, that's not officially.

1534
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:14,880
» We're not allowed to make an affordable,
>> right?

1535
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:16,960
» No, we can't. We tried, remember?
>> Oh, right.

1536
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:19,920
» Yeah, we know. They threw it back at us.
>> Yeah, the Commonwealth said no.

1537
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:24,880
» Well, we beat them. We beat them. We
tried that in our original one for

1538
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:28,800
» Yeah. No, Bill.
We had it.

1539
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:32,320
» Grandma's paying five grand a month.
>> Yeah. Mhm.

1540
02:14:31,599 --> 02:14:34,639
» So,
>> which grandma?

1541
02:14:33,199 --> 02:14:39,360
» I don't know. That would be actually a
good way to sneak some money to your

1542
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:42,639
family actually
amendments.

1543
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:45,760
» Um, no, I don't have any questions. Any
questions?

1544
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:50,400
» Okay.
>> Is there is there um motion?

1545
02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:54,719
» Well, first
I opened up public comments. Um, did

1546
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:56,639
note there's Zoe, there's no one in the
room to provide public comment here,

1547
02:14:56,159 --> 02:15:00,639
right?
>> Correct.

1548
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:03,760
» Well, I just need someone to confirm.
>> I know. For the record,

1549
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:06,719
» I do.
>> The camera doesn't do 360.

1550
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:10,719
» I didn't say anything.
>> You did.

1551
02:15:09,040 --> 02:15:14,639
» We're all in there like the Brady Bunch.
>> Um, okay.

1552
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:17,040
» The only change is the um adding multi
family.

1553
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:19,360
» I'll I'll make a motion to close the
hearing.

1554
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:24,159
» Second. All in favor to close the
hearing, please raise your hand.

1555
02:15:21,599 --> 02:15:28,800
I'll make a motion to
uh recommend approval of the three

1556
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:36,000
zoning bylaw amendments to town meeting
for October 13th, 2026,

1557
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:42,239
including amendment C amended as
discussed just recently.

1558
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:47,360
» Second. All in favor of the motion,
please raise your hand. It's 50 to

1559
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:51,920
approve
two of the amendments as noted and one

1560
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:55,480
as amended.
So amend the amendment

1561
02:15:55,679 --> 02:16:01,079
um
>> for approve recommending.

1562
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:01,079
» We're recommending

1563
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:08,480
» approve and recommend.
>> We recommended and then my motion was to

1564
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:13,400
recommend
um

1565
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:13,400
» meeting minutes.

1566
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:19,920
Can we skip town uh town planner update?
>> Yeah.

1567
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:25,079
» Okay.
>> It's also not on the agenda, so can't do

1568
02:16:22,079 --> 02:16:25,079
it.

1569
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:30,599
» Just just noting.
>> I don't do that.

1570
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,599
» It's true.

1571
02:16:31,119 --> 02:16:37,200
» I like them.
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

1572
02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:41,599
meeting minutes from July 28th, 2026.
>> Second.

1573
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:46,519
» All in favor, please raise your hand.
5 Z to approve the meeting minutes.

1574
02:16:43,439 --> 02:16:46,519
Thank you.

1575
02:16:46,719 --> 02:16:52,639
» Uh I'll make a motion to close the
meeting. Second.

1576
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:55,920
» All in favor to close, please raise your
hand. It's by observe to close. Thanks

1577
02:16:55,040 --> 02:17:00,840
everyone.
>> Thanks everybody.

1578
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:00,840
Um