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Good afternoon everybody and welcome to

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today's Heritage Advisory Committee

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meeting. Today is June 11th and we're

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going to get underway here. Going to

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call this meeting to order.

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we are just going to take a moment of

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reflection here just to think about the

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business at hand today.

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Okay, thank you.

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Next, is there any disclosure of

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pecuniary interest around the table

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here?

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And I don't see any, but if that ever

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does come up at some point through the

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meeting, you're welcome to just raise

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your hand and

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Fair enough,

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but you can always declare at any point

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in time during the meeting today.

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So, looking at our agenda here, number

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four is about public participation. I'm

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just going to read this for everybody

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here. Members of the public are

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encouraged to provide the committee with

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their comments and questions.

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Presentations must be prearranged with

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legislative services before the agenda

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is released. Members of the public who

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wish to make a deputation about a

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specific agenda item at the meeting must

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register in advance with legislative

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services by 4:00 p.m. on June 10th, 2026

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by contacting D. Bruce at meaford.ca or

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519-538-1060,

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extension 1112. Presentations are

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limited to 10 minutes and deputations

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are limited to 5 minutes. And I do not

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see any presentations or deputations

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today.

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Very good.

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Next, we're going to be looking at

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approval of the minutes. I'll just read

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this out here. The minutes for March

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11th, 2026. Recommendation we have here

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is that the minutes of the March 11th,

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2026 meeting of the Heritage Advisory

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Committee be approved as presented. And

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I'll just need a mover and second there

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to put that on the floor, and that would

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» I just have a

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» Yeah, we're going to put it on the floor

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first, David, and you'll be able to

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speak. Did you want to move that? Okay,

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moved by David. Do I have a second there

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for that? Thank you, McKay.

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Okay. Um do I need to do an all in favor

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before we put this on the table? Okay,

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it's afterwards. Okay. Thank you. Um so,

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any questions or comments with regards

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to the minutes?

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David, you can please go ahead.

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» Yeah. Um

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just pertaining to a clause seven

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I think it's seven. Uh

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just want to make sure I have the number

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right.

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Yes, items for information.

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Uh 7C

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that pertains to the bridge BR 125

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heritage value. Um

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the very last paragraph

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um has a comment where we discussed

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culvert options, uh pipe solution

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and um other

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other elements on on uh

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resolving or suggesting. I guess

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suggesting

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uh an alternate use or alternate

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solution for the bridge. Um bottom line

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that is not a heritage uh

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committee item. In my opinion, I think

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it's more of a

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uh more up to the the town and um

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up to maybe engineering. It's not a

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heritage issue, I guess, is my point.

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» Okay. Very last paragraph.

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» All right. Thank you, David. Um I did

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have a chance to speak with uh Derek

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about this beforehand. Derek, did you

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just want to weigh in a second just

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explain to David what we can do with

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» Can do that. That's uh quite uh

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possible. So, what we'll do is we'll

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just uh we don't need to make a motion

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or anything like that. We'll just remove

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that. And then if the group wants to

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what we'll do is we'll update the

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minutes and then the group can just uh

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vote to be carried as amended.

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» Correct.

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Very good. Thank you for that. Uh so,

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that's good enough for you, David?

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You're okay with that? Excellent. Okay.

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regards to the uh the minutes from March

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uh call it here. So, I just uh all in

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favor for um adopting the minutes with

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uh to Derek's comments as we're just

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going to make those adjustments as well.

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Uh so, all in favor?

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Okay, wonderful. And that is uh carried

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unanimously. Thank you very much for

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All right. So, now we're going to get

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into the meat and potatoes of the agenda

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today. Uh we have uh two heritage permit

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applications. So, we're going to be

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starting with 6A, which is HAC 2026-06,

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heritage permit HER01-2026,

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36 Sykes Street South.

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And the recommendation is that the

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Heritage Advisory Committee recommend

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that the Council of the Municipality of

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Meaford approve with the following

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conditions. One, that the final

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materials and colors be to the

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satisfaction of planning staff. Two,

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that the brick facade be conserved and

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retained as proposed with new brick

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materials to be integrated with the

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original brick.

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subject to applicable sign bylaw

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requirements. And four, that the works

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generally conform to the plans and

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renderings submitted with the

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application. Uh can I get a mover and

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second her to put that on the floor,

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please?

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Uh moved by John, thank you. Second by

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Will. Thank you very much.

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um and Denise, I guess I'll toss it over

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to you and we can kick that one off.

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» Thank you, Mr.

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uh Chair. So,

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hopefully everybody's pretty familiar

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with this property. It currently has

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Jake's Grab and Go um in the on the

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ground floor, and the um upstairs is

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pretty much look the same for as long as

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I can remember. So, the proposal is to

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make some modifications to the front

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facade on the upper level, and some on

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the lower level as well where the

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commercial is, and you've got some

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pictures with you in your in your in

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your uh package.

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question questions about initially was

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how the brick was being managed on the

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upper level. I think that was the the

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most concern that I had because um they

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are would be reducing the opening of the

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window area, which is was originally, I

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guess, a door. Probably um stuff got

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moved in and out of the building that

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way like it used to in the olden days.

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painted over for some time, and so we

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just wanted to understand better about

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how they were filling in the blank, so

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to speak, uh when they add the the

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window in because probably structurally

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there'll be some changes that have to

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happen as well. So, uh the owner, Chris,

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did uh provide some follow-up

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information, which I included in the

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report as um

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the uh the email that's attached, which

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kind of explains a little bit.

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confirm, but Chris had been given the

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Zoom link to log in if you

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if you had any specific questions for

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the owner, he can speak to the changes

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he's proposed if you have anything

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that's not covered in this. Um

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Perfect. And so, um

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for the most part, I've laid out in the

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executive summary all of the changes.

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The windows that are currently there are

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not heritage windows. They were replaced

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already kind of

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at a time when they'd be the vinyl

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aluminum type anyways. So, because of

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that, there the windows themselves are

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not considered a heritage feature.

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other aspects. The ground floor changes,

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those are already uh modern

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facades that are there. So, the facade

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has siding and has a um

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what do we call that awning? The bubble

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awning style, which is not considered a

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heritage feature. So, afterwards, it is

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not necessarily it's just replacing

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a a non-heritage

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uh facade for a

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another non-heritage facade, so to

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speak. I don't see anything myself that

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would make this incompatible with the

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district, but certainly the committee

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might have some thoughts about what they

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see there and if if um they had any

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questions about why or what the the

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vision was of the owner, I'm sure that

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Chris can probably give a little bit

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more about that. Obviously, it's a

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little easier to understand why we need

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to replace windows when they live out

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their life expectancy, especially with

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replacement windows. We find they don't

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last as long as the originals. Some of

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the original windows are

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able to last 100 years, no problem, but

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you buy a new vinyl window and you might

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get 20 to 30 years out of it or bit

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longer in this case. Um

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but the original ones tend to last a

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little longer. And then the steel door,

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sometimes doors also the same thing,

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they don't have the same life expectancy

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with with um

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with a modern door. So, they do need to

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replace them more often.

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we've put in a few conditions of what we

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suggest uh would maybe

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uh be conditions of approval if the

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committee is interested in like

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recommending approval to council with

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those conditions. We can also tweak

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those a little bit if needed. And so,

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those would include that the final

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materials and colors and everything are

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confirmed at the end when we're when we

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maybe have a little bit more

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at the end when they go to apply for a

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building permit and that the brick

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facade be conserved to the extent

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possible and retained as proposed

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with new brick materials to be

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integrated and then future signage would

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be subject to the sign bylaw when they

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when they go to change any signage and

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that generally the works don't change

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significantly from today. Sometimes when

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they get designing it for their building

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permit does change just a little bit and

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so we would want them them not to

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materially change. Otherwise maybe need

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to come back for for a second review.

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» Very good. Denise, thank you for that

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and I do understand we have Chris the

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owner of the property on the line and

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Chris before we get to any questions or

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comments from the committee is there

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anything that you would like to share

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with us right now?

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» Yes.

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So I think Denise said that the opening

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of the door is already bricked in. It's

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I don't believe it's bricked in. I think

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the only thing there is right now just a

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plywood.

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I don't exactly know what's behind it

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yet but

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I know definitely it's not bricked in.

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So this is uh

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Just want to make sure that.

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I think they probably what they did

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behind

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from the inside they drywalled it. So

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there's just a drywall there and then uh

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on the outside

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I I don't know. I'm assuming they

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probably did installation yeah and then

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what and they just put this plywood on

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top of the old door.

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» Painted

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» And just painted it red at the plywood.

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Yes.

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» Okay.

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» Um so

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and what just exactly what what I would

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like to do to this door is to

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because I want to make sure those three

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arches are lined up

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the the same, so

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the mason was going to go remove the

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arch and move up four courses, so the

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two three arches are on the same level.

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And then just break up the bottom of the

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door

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approximately four to five courses and

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then

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and then then the sill and then I would

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like to replace the old sills.

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I believe they are probably

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wood sills behind the

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the metal

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flashing. So then I want to upgrade them

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to a 4-in

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limestone sills all around the building

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with the same mason.

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Um

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so yeah.

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So that's that's the plan to the top uh

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the bottom

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I was hoping maybe with time to replace

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the siding, but

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you know, that's you know, that would be

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maybe in the following year.

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And then when all this masonry work is

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done, then I would get the vendors to

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install new

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new windows all around [snorts] the

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building.

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Um

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so that's the plan.

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» And the door.

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» And the door obviously. So there's above

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the door there's the old window there.

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Um so that would be all

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the new vinyl doors and vinyl and the

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window

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all kind of

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uh we prefer all have the flashing the

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window flashing all in black.

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Um just like the neighbor did there

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beside us. He replaced the windows

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black, so we thought

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we'll match that

363
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instead of white.

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My mother prefers the black, so I said

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yeah, so we decided to go black with the

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windows.

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» Wise man.

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» Yes.

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But so that the biggest concern is

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moving the arch up, the 4-in, but I

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talked I spoke with the mason. The mason

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is from uh

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uh what town was um Steiner.

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He said he does this type of work. He

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did some work like this type of work in

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Callingwood on Main Street.

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So, he's familiar with that. He said he

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has a clay bricks as well if you need to

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uh

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if we need to

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uh you know, reuse some of the if he can

382
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salvage the ones, you know, some of them

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see so he has the clay bricks from the

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area.

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Uh and then I would get then Schultz

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uh the carpenter to uh do any necessary

387
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reframing on the uh just to, you know,

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so that because the framing

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of the bottom of the door, it will have

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to go up a little bit so the window can

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sit after there. So, there's just a

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little bit of framing there and then

393
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maybe cut the header of the door and

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then move it up so it's

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equal with the matching with the

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the other windows, the previous.

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And I guess from the left and there

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should be already a framing existing

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framing in those doors because, you

400
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know, the they framed the doors and so

401
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on.

402
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The the width is stays the same. I

403
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measure [snorts] it and it's exactly the

404
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same pretty much. I think it's maybe a

405
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quarter of an inch or a half an inch

406
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difference in the width of the door.

407
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So, we don't have to do any masonry work

408
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on the width. It's just need It's just

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um the the arch needs to be moved for it

410
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to look equal.

411
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Um yeah. So, that's and and that way it

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would the windows would be exactly the

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same size.

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And then it will look it will look

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properly then.

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» Excellent. Uh Chris, thank you for that

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information. That is very helpful. We

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appreciate that. And uh at this point in

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time I'm going to open turn up to

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questions and comments from the

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committee. and uh do we have any

422
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questions or comments from anybody?

423
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Uh David, please go ahead.

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» I just have a comment, and that is I

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think the from the photograph the

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proposed alterations, I think it's a

427
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it's a great proposal where you've got

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all the windows lined up and eliminating

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that wood panel on the exterior.

430
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Um so, I think it's you know, it's a

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very good plan.

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Why I have a question, and that is are

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you proposing to do this uh in

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separate stages, or are you going to do

435
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the

436
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windows on the second floor and the and

437
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the main floor facade at the same time?

438
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» Uh

439
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so,

440
00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,760
no, this is going to be in stages. So, I

441
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was going to get the mason come in first

442
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and do the brick work.

443
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Then I was going to get

444
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uh then Schultz Contracting, the

445
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carpenter, come in inside, reframe it.

446
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Then finish on the side. Then I would

447
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and then after he's done, then the

448
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vendors need to come in and remeasure

449
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the opening,

450
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and then they will install the windows.

451
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And and and when they do the windows,

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they would do the doors the door the

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left door on the the the entryway to the

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apartment.

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So, that's

456
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so, that will be a so, it'll be in three

457
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stages, yes? And last it will

458
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I'm not in a rush to do the

459
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siding on the on the shop. That's just

460
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,960
that will be like maybe following year

461
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when I save up some more save up some

462
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more uh

463
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money for that.

464
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So,

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uh and I

466
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right away okay, sorry. And then when

467
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when the mason comes in,

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he will be doing the step as well at the

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same time the the step from the

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store

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cuz the the stairs kind of getting the

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the concrete step is getting kind of

473
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where where down so I asked him as well

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to uh

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do this uh do the step for me there. So

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that will be

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and stage first

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the masonry. Stage two it will be the

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carpentry from the inside.

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Uh and then we'll get the van dollars to

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do the windows and the entry door.

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And then I guess number four it will be

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the

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uh the siding on the shop.

485
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But that will be I probably would like

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to do that following year. And

487
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and with the sign

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I spoke to Jake. We're not in a rush to

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do that either. He cleaned the sign. It

490
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looks good again.

491
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They uh so maybe postpone with that. You

492
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know, we'll see how the budget and

493
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everything allows with time. But

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So I don't know if that helps.

495
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» That's very good. Uh Chris, thank you.

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Did you have a follow-up or anything you

497
00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,640
wanted to add? It's good? Okay. Um I

498
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just have a question uh this I guess

499
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would be for Denise with regards to the

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staging. Um if this heritage permit is

501
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approved, is there a timeline

502
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um or a time limit with regards to

503
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getting everything completed that's

504
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being approved?

505
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» Uh so

506
00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,720
to that question, there isn't a timeline

507
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,080
that we've baked into the recommendation

508
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for approval.

509
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:45,000
It could be done in stages. So if it if

510
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for example um right now the way it

511
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reads if um

512
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the owner doesn't complete say part of

513
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it because of cost constraints or

514
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something like that. Say maybe the the

515
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part four which is the the lower facade

516
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uh changing the

517
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um siding or whatever, if they didn't

518
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actually complete it, it wouldn't

519
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nullify the work that they've done

520
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:09,320
already. Um and there may be I know that

521
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there is suggestion that um this owner

522
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would like to apply for a CIP grant in

523
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the future and

524
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that might be contingent on some of the

525
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,160
works as well, right? So, if they're

526
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that CIP program is activated again,

527
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then that might help facilitate some of

528
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the works that at a different maybe

529
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,440
takes a little longer cuz they have to

530
00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,880
come in for that CIP application, but um

531
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that would certainly be possible as

532
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well.

533
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» Okay, and that's that's great. That

534
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answers my question perfectly. Any

535
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questions from anybody else here at the

536
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table?

537
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» No.

538
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,160
» Oh, can I can I just mention one one

539
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,240
thing, please?

540
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,720
» Yes, Chris, go ahead.

541
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,000
» Oh, yeah. So, that's because we didn't I

542
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mean I didn't mention about, you know,

543
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repainting

544
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repainting the front wall because it's

545
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already has a some sort of a paint on

546
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it.

547
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,600
Previous previous owner must have put it

548
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on there and it's a bit peeling and on

549
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:04,920
top about that actually above the

550
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above the door. So, I did ask that Mason

551
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what he would recommend and he did

552
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,680
recommend brick stain.

553
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,000
Uh you know, after everything is

554
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,720
finished, you know, when he does the

555
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,280
work on the arch.

556
00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,720
So, that would be like the last thing I

557
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,400
would like to do. I did put it put it on

558
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,880
the permanent though. So, maybe like you

559
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,600
know, just kind of as close as possible

560
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,520
to the color of the bricks to put a

561
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,320
fresh coat on there and make it all nice

562
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,000
and clean after. So, that would be the

563
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,920
last step. Uh so,

564
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,160
yeah, okay. So, that's yeah, that would

565
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,800
be the last step I wanted to do and that

566
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,800
would be probably the following year.

567
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,360
But, that would clean up the whole thing

568
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,920
and it would look make all the same and

569
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,480
that you know, then you wouldn't see any

570
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,600
of the repair work or anything like

571
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,360
that.

572
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,520
So, I thought that would be that would

573
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,920
be a good idea in the end.

574
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,280
» And uh thank you for adding that, Chris.

575
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,520
That's helpful. I appreciate that. Um I

576
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,640
do have a a question for Denise with

577
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,400
regard to the step. How do the new

578
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:03,080
accessibility

579
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:05,280
uh act requirements affect the the step

580
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,000
in terms of accessibility for that Uh,

581
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,800
for for specifically? What would that

582
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,040
look like?

583
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,960
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, this is a a

584
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,640
point of confusion I've heard a lot of

585
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,000
people ask about that we're not

586
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,640
enforcing things or there's this those

587
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,280
suggestions. So, accessibility isn't

588
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,360
retroactive in this case, so it we don't

589
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,680
um in when we talk about enforceability,

590
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:29,600
that's for new construction or altered

591
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,360
construction. So, if um [snorts]

592
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,600
the lower level was renovating the

593
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:37,360
entire restaurant and they were changing

594
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,080
things, they may have to tackle the

595
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:42,040
front entrance and make it an accessible

596
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,080
entrance. In downtowns, though, it is

597
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,720
really challenging because we often have

598
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,560
a grade change between the front

599
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:51,840
entrance and the the the the walkway.

600
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,640
And because of that, many, many

601
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,720
downtowns do not have full accessibility

602
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,040
because of that. In this case, there

603
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,440
aren't any renovations proposed to the

604
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,600
restaurant that would have triggered a

605
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,080
change in that step. So, just ensuring

606
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,360
that that stuff's maintained in good

607
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,480
condition would be all that would be

608
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,440
required.

609
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,440
» Excellent. Okay, that's perfect. Thank

610
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,200
you for that. Uh, I just want to check

611
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,400
is um last call for questions or

612
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,800
comments from uh the committee here. Oh,

613
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,480
yeah, Nancy, please go ahead.

614
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,280
» I think [clears throat] the plan is is

615
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:24,600
great. Um I think the improvements are

616
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,080
well thought out. Um I like the idea of

617
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,840
the the stain instead of the paint. Uh

618
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,920
that seems to work better on on brick.

619
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,520
And uh I I think it looks great.

620
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,200
I have no problem I have no issues with

621
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,960
this.

622
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,600
» Good.

623
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,880
Thank you, and I uh I tend to agree with

624
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,760
you on that. I think this uh the

625
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,400
proposal looks uh quite nice, and I

626
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,640
think it'll be a good refresher when

627
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,960
it's all done.

628
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,960
Um so, I think uh we're ready to call

629
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,880
the question here. So, uh all in favor

630
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,040
of accepting this heritage permit?

631
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,600
All right, very good. Thank you. And

632
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,200
that's uh carried unanimously. Uh Chris,

633
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,680
thank you very much for your time, and

634
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,240
uh good luck with everything.

635
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440
» Well, thank you so much. I'm looking

636
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,840
forward to uh get this done.

637
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,840
» Thank you.

638
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,680
All right, very good. Uh so, let's move

639
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,440
on. Uh this one is uh is a big one. This

640
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:12,440
is um

641
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,480
uh HERO2-2026,

642
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,960
19-21

643
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,480
Nelson Street West, SVV Holdings

644
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,160
Limited. The recommendation here is that

645
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,560
the Heritage Advisory Committee

646
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,640
recommend that the Council of the

647
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,720
Municipality of Meaford accept a

648
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,000
submitted Heritage Impact Assessment or

649
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,880
HIA subject to a scoped peer review

650
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,840
focusing on one, elevation or sorry,

651
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,840
evaluation of heritage value,

652
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,800
particularly 19 Nelson Street West. Two,

653
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,880
justification for demolition. And three,

654
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,400
consideration of reasonable alternatives

655
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:49,120
to demolition. And approve heritage

656
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,280
permit application HERO2-2026,

657
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:53,880
19-27

658
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:56,800
uh Nelson Street West, SVV Holdings

659
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,640
seeking a demolition of 19 Nelson Street

660
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,440
West and redevelopment of both

661
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,760
properties to a mixed-use building with

662
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,320
the following conditions. One, full

663
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,360
photographic and measured documentation

664
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,120
of 19 Nelson Street West prior to

665
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:13,680
demolition. Two, submission and approval

666
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:16,200
of a heritage interpretation plan

667
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,640
including commemoration of the Barnhart

668
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,480
and Chisholm associations. Three,

669
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,040
salvage of heritage materials where

670
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,520
feasible

671
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:28,080
excuse me, to the satisfaction staff.

672
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:30,520
Um satisfaction of staff. Four, uh final

673
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,000
building materials and elevations to be

674
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,080
to be to the satisfaction of planning

675
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,880
staff.

676
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,720
Five, that the development generally

677
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,160
conform to the plans submitted with the

678
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,120
application. And six, that any future

679
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,480
phase two development be subject to

680
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,760
additional heritage permit approval.

681
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,840
So, I'll just need a mover and seconder

682
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,160
to throw that on the floor, please.

683
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,000
Uh we got David here for moving. Anybody

684
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,120
seconds? Uh I got Nancy there. Okay,

685
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,000
wonderful. And um

686
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:57,800
uh over to you, Denise, to get this one

687
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,200
going. Thank you.

688
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,160
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, this is a

689
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,360
really big project for the committee

690
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,280
right now because we haven't had

691
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:07,640
something of this scale for a while. So,

692
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:10,760
it's exciting to review um projects that

693
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,520
are a little bit more um more going on.

694
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:16,640
I've broken this up into and so has the

695
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,800
applicant into two two parts. Um the

696
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:22,680
heritage impact study looks at the whole

697
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:25,080
of the uh proposal, which is to um

698
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,280
demolish quite a few buildings. So, it's

699
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:31,600
three buildings and then replace them

700
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:34,000
with a a um two street fronting uh

701
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,480
commercial and and um mixed-use

702
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,880
buildings. And so, at this at this

703
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,400
point, we're really only looking at the

704
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,320
first phase.

705
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,920
And just to let you know that they have

706
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,000
also submitted a site plan application

707
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,200
concurrently with this application for a

708
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,320
heritage permit. And we're only looking

709
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,920
at phase one, but we obviously need to

710
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,880
know about phase two because the sites

711
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,840
will be integrated together in the

712
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,920
future. So, right now, they operate as

713
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,480
independent properties. I believe

714
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,960
there's three properties there or four

715
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,840
properties. Um

716
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:08,880
one of them is a vacant property, which

717
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:11,240
used to be uh the Reeds um the

718
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,000
was actually a church at one time, which

719
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,280
it lays out wonderfully in the HIA. And

720
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,360
so, um

721
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,680
that building broke burnt down or burnt

722
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:23,280
to a point where it needed to be

723
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,040
demolished sometime ago and the vacant

724
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,480
lot has just been there for some time.

725
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,360
And then there's also the Nel the uh 19

726
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,400
Nelson Street, which is currently a

727
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:33,520
multi-residential building.

728
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,520
I wanted to highlight that that was a

729
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,800
building that in the draft um heritage

730
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,120
update was to be added to be listed

731
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,800
included in the inventory.

732
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,200
Um we had been looking at making sure

733
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,360
any buildings that were missed that

734
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,800
aren't in the inventory would be added

735
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,920
and then determining whether or not

736
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,840
they're heritage or not would be

737
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,640
something that has to be done

738
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,600
as part of that as well.

739
00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,000
The HIA uh the HIA or Heritage Impact

740
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Assessment um recognizes that building

741
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,520
as non-heritage because of the

742
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,840
alterations that have happened, which it

743
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,040
also does so for the um which is the

744
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,880
Morris Memorial West building

745
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,560
being that it has been significantly

746
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,520
altered. That Recognizing their ages are

747
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,560
are quite old, but that they have had

748
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,840
significant alterations.

749
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,440
Because I'm not a heritage professional

750
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,320
myself, although I have a lot of

751
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,560
experience on this committee,

752
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:29,680
I don't feel comfortable just accepting

753
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960
the HIA at this stage because in our

754
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,880
past practice where there's a

755
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,920
demolition, we've asked for a peer

756
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,360
review. And so I've structured this as a

757
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,760
recommendation to have a peer review

758
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:45,000
scoped. I would say just on the aspect

759
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,440
of the the tearing down of the 19 Nelson

760
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,640
Street property because that is still

761
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,120
has some I still kind of looks like a

762
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,960
heritage building even though it's had

763
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,520
alterations. And because of the

764
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,360
associations that are there and some of

765
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,480
the things um that the HIA raises, I

766
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:02,360
think it might be a good candidate for a

767
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,960
scoped peer review. I don't think the

768
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:06,080
peer review needs to look at every

769
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,520
aspect of the Heritage Impact Assessment

770
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,600
because some of the things are to fill

771
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,520
in blanks where there is no building

772
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,520
right now. And looking at what they've

773
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,600
proposed, it meets most of the

774
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,840
requirements of her new building or all

775
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,080
of the requirements for new building

776
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,040
reconstruction. Um it's generally

777
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,520
street-facing construction, which is

778
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,520
what we like to see in a downtown area.

779
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:31,280
And um certainly appears to fit in quite

780
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,880
nicely in style with what's going on

781
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,960
around it. Uh so I don't think we need

782
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,800
to have that part peer reviewed, but

783
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,080
just really the demolition of that one

784
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,000
building. Do we agree with the HIA that

785
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,920
it is in fact not a heritage building

786
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,520
and doesn't have any significant

787
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,560
contribution?

788
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,400
Um

789
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:52,320
that was kind of how I thought we could

790
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:54,360
scope the HIA 2. Um it's also important

791
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,200
to note that we do have the availability

792
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,120
to use who we've used before, which is

793
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,800
Dan Curry from MHBC Planning. He was our

794
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,040
peer reviewer on some of the other uh

795
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:07,040
peer reviews, including the downtown um

796
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,720
strip kind of where um

797
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,000
You McGinty's and the Refillery and all

798
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,000
that. They he did that peer review for

799
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,960
us.

800
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Um and then I just wanted to just

801
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,880
highlight some of the other changes. So,

802
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,560
the initial phase one would be to tear

803
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,240
down the house at 19 Nelson Street and

804
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,720
build that um kind of L-shaped building

805
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,960
that faces the street.

806
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,280
I also want to highlight that the

807
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,200
applicant

808
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280
met with us for a pre-consultation a few

809
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,080
years ago, and one of the

810
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,360
recommendations we made was to create

811
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,320
street-fronting buildings that rather

812
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,840
than a plaza that's internal, which is

813
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:42,080
what they have now on the other side, to

814
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,320
create a street-fronting presence. So,

815
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,800
you've got a building that's looking out

816
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,440
onto the street, parking's in the rear,

817
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,440
operational type things like garbage

818
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,960
pickup and stuff can happen at the rear,

819
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,400
and then that looks a lot more like a

820
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,440
traditional um downtown building. And

821
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,200
we were very pleased with what we saw

822
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,840
here. It looks a lot more like what we

823
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,120
were hoping for, and so we felt very

824
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,080
positive about uh the application to

825
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:08,080
date. Um the site plan does have a few

826
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,840
tweaks that we will need to do related

827
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680
to the size of the lanes and things like

828
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,760
that, but for the most part, we just see

829
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,040
those as fairly minor in terms of

830
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,960
design.

831
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,120
Um

832
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,240
and so, even though they're happening at

833
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,320
the same time and I can't tell you all

834
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,480
the details of the site plan review

835
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,680
because it's more of a technical nature

836
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,840
and it had we haven't given that

837
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,240
feedback to the applicant yet, we it it

838
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,720
do see that for the most part,

839
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,240
materially, it could probably be very

840
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,360
much the same building as what you're

841
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,400
seeing.

842
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Um

843
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,040
the idea is to have a mixed-use

844
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720
building, so the ground floor would be

845
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,840
commercial and the upstairs would be

846
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,120
residential, which is pretty typical of

847
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:48,320
those sort of downtown buildings.

848
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,680
And for the most part, we did seem to

849
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,120
agree with the HIA's assessment,

850
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,480
although we're not we can't peer review

851
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,280
it per se. We we felt like for the most

852
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:59,800
part it seems to be complete. It seems

853
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,400
to be a very thorough report.

854
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Um what we would expect to to see in a a

855
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,160
thorough report. Um and had lots of

856
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,000
really good background information, so

857
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,120
we were pleased with that as well.

858
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Um the materials and the design and all

859
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,040
that all I think fits well within the

860
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,160
heritage district. And um

861
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,120
then the phase two, we have a little bit

862
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,400
less information about because we don't

863
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,440
have the design. We have sort of the

864
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,240
footprint. And so in this

865
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,240
recommendation, we're suggesting a

866
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,680
second uh permit for that other phase at

867
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,840
a later time. And then just for now, I

868
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,760
think it really helps us with the

869
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,560
understanding from a site plan and from

870
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
the full operations perspective. How do

871
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,440
these work together? What would be

872
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,200
replaced? And it looks like it's a bit

873
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,560
of a The way that the layout is, it's a

874
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,600
bit of a mirror of this first building.

875
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Um

876
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,720
on the on the other side, but maybe more

877
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,240
commercial more internal

878
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,080
uh that you can't see. And of course the

879
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,280
parking would would be all internal to

880
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,760
the site.

881
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Um the parking that's required is also

882
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,560
just for the residential uses. We don't

883
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,280
require parking in the C1 for zone for

884
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,880
um commercial because the downtown areas

885
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680
just don't really have the ability to

886
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,920
have on-site parking unless we create

887
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,880
big parking lots on properties. So

888
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,400
people tend to park on the on the street

889
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,160
or in a municipal parking lot.

890
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,120
The other thing I just wanted to note is

891
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,240
if you were to look at um the

892
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,640
renderings, which are beautiful, but I

893
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,080
will say

894
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,240
um if you look at them, you might say,

895
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920
"Well, I don't know where this is."

896
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,720
because you're looking in the background

897
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,360
at what I did at first and some of us

898
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,280
did. We looked kind of at these pictures

899
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,600
and thought, "Okay, where is this?"

900
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Um

901
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,240
from the front, um I think we can

902
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,720
understand that if you look at the front

903
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,840
picture, if I go to page I don't know

904
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,200
what page it would be for you. It's

905
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,280
appendix one.

906
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,320
So, I just want to highlight this. I

907
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,080
told um

908
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,080
Blake, who is representing this

909
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,960
application, that I would just mention

910
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,960
this. He's prepared to create some

911
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,120
additional renderings if needed. But, if

912
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,640
we were go to the first uh

913
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,720
the first picture, which says north

914
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,440
side, Nelson Street West. So, what you

915
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,320
can't see to you the left side would be

916
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,400
Moxie's.

917
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,640
Then there's a lane in between, so which

918
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,960
is there and exists. And then this

919
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,640
building would be kind of where the

920
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,920
house is and where the vacant lot is.

921
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,120
And then, of course, apparently we have

922
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,640
a brand new LCBO, which I'm excited to

923
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,880
see. That's just a picture, so don't get

924
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,360
too excited about it, but it would be

925
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,160
nice if that happened. Um so, this

926
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
picture is actually fairly

927
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920
understandable. But, when you go to the

928
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,360
second picture, this is where I got a

929
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,880
little confused. And it's just for your

930
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,600
just to help understand if you were

931
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,720
feeling like you flipped like where is

932
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,240
this? We're at the back of the building

933
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,240
now. And what you would normally see, so

934
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,600
they've just kind of stuck some images

935
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,960
back there, but that's not what you

936
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520
would see from this view. So, if you're

937
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,440
looking at the second one, which says

938
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,440
rear perspective,

939
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,600
the back of the building is what you

940
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,080
would see. But, when you look at the

941
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,120
sides and you can see across the street

942
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,280
or

943
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,280
um to the right, the right there you

944
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,960
would actually be looking at the back of

945
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,440
the buildings that are downtown. So,

946
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,760
you're looking into the alley. Right

947
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,760
now, it's showing houses. It's just to

948
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,960
help you kind of visualize it, but I

949
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,120
think I was taking it a bit literally,

950
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,360
so just to help you if you're doing the

951
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,760
same as I was. Um And then across the

952
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,919
street, that isn't quite what you would

953
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,760
see. On the left-hand side, you would be

954
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:28,760
seeing kind of a little bit where the

955
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,399
new parking lot's going to be and where

956
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,080
the Journey um

957
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:34,240
support and the

958
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440
um

959
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:38,240
the I was going to say the laundromat

960
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,040
is. So, I don't know how much you would

961
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,919
see from that view, but it would

962
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,760
generally be that. So,

963
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:45,280
um if that helps orient yourself, so

964
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:49,000
you're just standing behind the building

965
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:51,080
now, um a little bit where the the plaza

966
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,080
kind of ends now. So, if you were in the

967
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,520
parking lot of the plaza near the tech

968
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,879
shop or where the the dry cleaner is and

969
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,080
looking that way, that's kind of what

970
00:34:56,879 --> 00:35:00,040
you would see.

971
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Um, does that make sense? Is everyone

972
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,920
kind of nodding their like, I get it

973
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,440
now.

974
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,120
Cuz maybe you could figure this out

975
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,600
easier than me, but I was just like,

976
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,000
where are these buildings? And I thought

977
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,520
I was on the wrong street picturing

978
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,200
something different. But, um otherwise,

979
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,120
the renderings are quite lovely. They're

980
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,480
very detailed and it really helps us to

981
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,120
kind of picture what it might look like.

982
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,840
And so, uh we appreciated them

983
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,600
otherwise. And Blake didn't He's not

984
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,880
objecting to trying to just maybe update

985
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,440
them a little bit. We couldn't get it in

986
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:29,080
time for this meeting, but um cuz I only

987
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,720
gave feedback about that last week. So,

988
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,880
um they're not magicians, but I mean,

989
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:36,280
they're pretty fast, but not that fast.

990
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,200
But, if we do need to um update them for

991
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,320
the council report, we can do that or

992
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,080
even just for the public record.

993
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Um, so if that's enough detail that

994
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,760
people feel like they can start

995
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,680
conversation, if you have any questions,

996
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
I'm happy to answer it about the timing

997
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,920
of the two files or any of that. Um,

998
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,560
site plan control is a a 60-day

999
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,520
turnaround, so we'll be wrapping that up

1000
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,360
really, really shortly.

1001
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,040
» Excellent. Thank you for that. That's uh

1002
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,320
that's wonderful information.

1003
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Um, questions or comments from the

1004
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,960
committee?

1005
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:10,360
Uh, well, yeah, go ahead, sir.

1006
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,880
» Uh, does he plan to take uh away

1007
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,880
um

1008
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:20,160
where the laundry is and all

1009
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,160
cuz that's

1010
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,240
What street is that?

1011
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,240
Throwbridge.

1012
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,560
If you go in Throwbridge and you turn

1013
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,680
into the I call it a mall or whatever,

1014
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,160
um

1015
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,960
the church is on one side and all those

1016
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
other uh

1017
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,720
businesses, are they going to be torn

1018
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,040
down in this?

1019
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:50,600
» Uh through you, Mr. Chair. So, yes, in

1020
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,800
phase two, um that is the proposal. So,

1021
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,760
right now we're only looking at the

1022
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,240
first L-shaped building, but the second

1023
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,960
building is proposed that plaza would be

1024
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,960
redone.

1025
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:06,040
» Uh Nancy, please go ahead.

1026
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,920
» What sort of commercial activities do

1027
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,440
they envision going in the the um ground

1028
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
floor?

1029
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840
» Through you, Mr. Chair. I don't know if

1030
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,280
Bill can confirm if Blake is on the

1031
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,280
line.

1032
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,120
He is. Okay, so perhaps Blake could

1033
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,520
answer that question. He might have a

1034
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
better understanding of like what

1035
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,960
they're what they're going to go for or

1036
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,240
or market to.

1037
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,920
» Okay, excellent. Uh good afternoon,

1038
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,360
Blake. How are you today?

1039
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,640
» Doing very well, thank you. Can everyone

1040
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,440
hear me okay?

1041
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,280
» Yeah, we can hear you loud and clear. Uh

1042
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,360
thanks for being here and um I hope you

1043
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,120
heard Nancy's question. She just was uh

1044
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,880
curious about what types of businesses

1045
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,120
might be occupying the uh the lower

1046
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,760
level units.

1047
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,360
» Yeah, that's no problem at all. Uh I

1048
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,280
don't know if my video's showing as

1049
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,600
well, but that's okay. I

1050
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,200
I I was hoping to be there in person

1051
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,440
today, but unfortunately scheduling

1052
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,080
would not allow that to happen. Uh so,

1053
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,080
I'll I'll answer everybody's questions

1054
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000
as well as I'm able to, but uh no,

1055
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,880
thanks for the question, Nancy.

1056
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,560
Um right now the anticipation for the

1057
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,520
commercial uses would be a mix of I

1058
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:10,000
would say service and uh service

1059
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,200
adjacent uses. So, we've talked to our

1060
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,560
tenants and we've tried to be as

1061
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,520
transparent as we can with our tenants

1062
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,920
on all four properties uh throughout the

1063
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160
duration of this project over the last

1064
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,800
several years.

1065
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,840
Um

1066
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:24,640
our goal would be to allow anyone in the

1067
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,360
existing structures who wants to to have

1068
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,520
first priority to move into the new

1069
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,640
structure.

1070
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,160
So, I guess that would be the first

1071
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,600
thing. Any of the existing businesses we

1072
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,520
would be trying to move them into the

1073
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,760
new building phase one prior to

1074
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,240
demolition of phase two.

1075
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,920
Um if that

1076
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:42,720
if if there are spaces remaining after

1077
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,240
those businesses move over, then we'd be

1078
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,240
looking at primarily service use.

1079
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,240
» Excellent. Thank you, Blake. Nancy, does

1080
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,240
that answer your question okay?

1081
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:59,080
» It it does. Um I'm concerned about, you

1082
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,120
know, the downturn in the economy and

1083
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,960
you know, whether the whether

1084
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,720
the need for

1085
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,840
um

1086
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:10,480
I know that downtown Meaford needs some

1087
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,040
rejuvenation.

1088
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,480
And it's it's will be good if the if the

1089
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,000
phase two businesses have opportunity to

1090
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,680
move over into into this building.

1091
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,480
Um

1092
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:25,000
I'm just wondering if if the need in

1093
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Meaford is is large enough at at this

1094
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,280
point to um

1095
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,560
accommodate this

1096
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,400
these new um buildings.

1097
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,680
» Yeah, that's entirely fair. So, it would

1098
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,440
not be our anticipation at all to, you

1099
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,840
know, remove anybody from an active

1100
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,200
business. Um we would not be proceeding

1101
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,240
with the demolition of phase two until

1102
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,360
likely after we have the commercial

1103
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,360
space in phase one leased out.

1104
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,360
If that provides a little bit of

1105
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,720
comfort. And I know now we're kind of

1106
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,120
leaving the uh the scope of the

1107
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,480
heritage committee, but I I do

1108
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,800
definitely want to address that concern

1109
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,800
cuz it's something we've heard before.

1110
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,560
» Excellent. Thank you for that

1111
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,400
information, Blake. We appreciate that.

1112
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,640
Any other questions from the committee

1113
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,640
here? David, yes, sir.

1114
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,160
» I'm just wondering if your intent is to

1115
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,760
um

1116
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,480
All right. Maybe it's a town's intent,

1117
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,240
it needs to have approval for the whole

1118
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,520
development before demolition of any

1119
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:26,880
phase.

1120
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:29,920
Is is that the intent of of uh this

1121
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,920
whole development?

1122
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,920
» Yeah, that's No, that's a good question.

1123
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,560
And so I'll I'll maybe defer to Denise

1124
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,200
at some point here shortly cuz there's

1125
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,680
still a few technical details to work

1126
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080
out in the background.

1127
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,560
Um but the way that we've approached

1128
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,800
this is that it's really two separate

1129
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:46,680
developments. We're providing a master

1130
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:48,720
plan to help provide context around how

1131
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,600
this would all play out.

1132
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,240
Um but we're treating it as phase one

1133
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,560
and phase two, two separate

1134
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,240
developments, entirely distinct from a

1135
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,160
legal and property perspective. They're

1136
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,680
They're separate properties.

1137
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,960
Um but we know that they're going to

1138
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,120
tie. We would like to provide both a

1139
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:07,120
pedestrian connection between Shuter and

1140
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,560
Nelson, but also a vehicular connection

1141
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,800
between Shuter and Nelson, which doesn't

1142
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,160
exist today.

1143
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Um so for that reason we've provided

1144
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:17,920
phase one and phase two

1145
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,760
as a uh uh combined master plan. All

1146
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,840
we're seeking approval for today is the

1147
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,760
demolition of 19 Nelson

1148
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,760
and the development at 19 and and uh 21

1149
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Nelson. So so just the Nelson Street

1150
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,480
side for today. We are still showing

1151
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,640
that connection between the parking

1152
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,280
facilities and the drive aisle for fire

1153
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,840
access. Um but we're not actually

1154
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
seeking approval on the Shuter side

1155
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,800
today. So we're not asking for

1156
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,680
permission to demolish the Shuter side

1157
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,080
or what you had referred to previously

1158
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,640
as the mall uh or the strip plaza. We're

1159
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,120
not We're not looking to demolish that

1160
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,480
today. We're going to keep that active.

1161
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,480
We don't intend to remove anybody from

1162
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,480
those spaces today.

1163
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,400
» Excellent. Blake, thank you for that. Uh

1164
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,280
Denise, did you want to come in on any

1165
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,080
anything?

1166
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,920
» I don't I don't know if I need to, but

1167
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,560
if um the question's still open and

1168
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,440
there's a couple details to add, I can

1169
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,480
absolutely add them.

1170
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,360
» Okay. Thank you.

1171
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,960
There's no Okay, any other questions

1172
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,160
from the committee? Um I do have a

1173
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,760
question with regards to the peer

1174
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,280
review. That seems to be one of the most

1175
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,760
important components to this whole

1176
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,600
process. Uh, so Denise, are you able to

1177
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,360
walk us through what is sort of our

1178
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,080
timeline we expect for that peer review

1179
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,440
to be completed? Um, and is that going

1180
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,200
to be coming back to the Heritage

1181
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,360
Committee for further review? Like, what

1182
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,360
what would that look like?

1183
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,560
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, the the peer

1184
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,840
review, I haven't reached out to anyone

1185
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,520
to ask about timelines yet, but once if

1186
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,240
that was supported through this, so for

1187
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,200
example, if Council if the committee

1188
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:51,440
recommends the peer review um take place

1189
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,560
and Council also endorses that, then we

1190
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,320
would start that process. My

1191
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,600
understanding is that um

1192
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:01,040
we have do have a vendor we can use who

1193
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:03,960
has used to, like I mentioned, um

1194
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:06,040
we have used before, but we could also

1195
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,000
find out what the timeline might be if

1196
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,600
there was no ability to get this done in

1197
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,120
a reasonable timeframe. We could go to a

1198
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,400
different vendor.

1199
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,880
Um, but I don't have an answer yet and

1200
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,800
and certainly we recognize that an

1201
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,840
applicant or owner is also really

1202
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,840
concerned about those timelines because

1203
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,720
this could affect the date that they get

1204
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,120
started on their project.

1205
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:29,400
If the committee would like to see the

1206
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,000
peer review results before finally

1207
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:34,360
endorsing it, we could bake that in as

1208
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:38,000
well or if they just you just wanted to

1209
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,200
suggest um if the peer review uh right

1210
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,160
you know

1211
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,960
accepts the findings of the HIA

1212
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,360
and supports it, then we don't need to

1213
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:51,520
come back. Um, and just continue on with

1214
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:54,240
the recommended uh inclusions of what it

1215
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,280
I basically put them in from the report.

1216
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:58,560
So, the report itself I had the

1217
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,000
recommendations and I've added them into

1218
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,040
this report as part of the the

1219
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,200
recommendation for approval.

1220
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,760
And if anything needed to change, so if

1221
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,040
there was a question that came up that

1222
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,600
one more thing needed to get added. Um,

1223
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,800
it's possible that if there was a

1224
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,080
significant change that came up through

1225
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,480
the peer review that we would need to

1226
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,240
come back to the committee or at least

1227
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,040
council. It's something that the

1228
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,880
committee could decide um, what their

1229
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,320
the comfort level it is.

1230
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,880
» Okay, excellent. That perfectly answers

1231
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,120
my question. That that was my concern. I

1232
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,680
just wanted to make sure that if there

1233
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,520
was any anything that came up through

1234
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,960
the peer review that we would have a

1235
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,440
chance to discuss it whether it's the

1236
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,880
Heritage Advisory Committee or Council.

1237
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,120
Um, so that's that's wonderful. Just a

1238
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,960
couple of comments that I have is

1239
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,200
through the impact assessment that was

1240
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,640
provided here with the report.

1241
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,320
It is quite evident that there is

1242
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,800
significant structural issues with this

1243
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,040
with this current building. And you

1244
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,400
know, while

1245
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,280
you know, a core key pillar for Heritage

1246
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Conservation is to sort of preserve at

1247
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,840
all costs.

1248
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,160
But it's it's quite evident looking at

1249
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,720
the the impact report that

1250
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,640
any effort to restore this building

1251
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:06,120
would be completely cost prohibitive and

1252
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,240
may not even be feasible at all.

1253
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,440
So when we look as our

1254
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,920
responsibilities of the Heritage

1255
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,480
Advisory Committee, we always try to

1256
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,880
preserve heritage buildings, you know,

1257
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,960
whenever possible unless of course as

1258
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,680
it's been identified we have significant

1259
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,160
structural issues that really can't be

1260
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,960
remedied

1261
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,680
in any feasible manner.

1262
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,520
I do think that the renderings if the

1263
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,640
final building looks anything like the

1264
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,760
renderings, I think it's I think they

1265
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,560
look great. And I do think to Denise's

1266
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,480
comment that they do really complement

1267
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,920
the surrounding area in the Heritage

1268
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,880
District. And

1269
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,880
so that would be that would be wonderful

1270
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,480
to see. Okay, so I'll just last last

1271
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,160
opportunity for questions or comments.

1272
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Nancy, please go ahead.

1273
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,560
» I'm just maybe this has already been

1274
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,200
answered but just to clarify parking on

1275
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:55,960
the on for this structure.

1276
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,480
Residential parking is behind and

1277
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,320
commercial

1278
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:03,000
or customer parking is that at the

1279
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,000
front.

1280
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:09,600
Um so through you, Mr. Chair. So,

1281
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,600
customer parking would be street parking

1282
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,160
um or in the municipal parking lots. So,

1283
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,520
there is a municipal parking lot across

1284
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,840
the street um that is in the process of

1285
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,320
being redone. Um I don't know if it's

1286
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,840
this year. I'm looking around going,

1287
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,800
"Does anyone know?" Maybe Maybe

1288
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Councillor Boudreau knows. Um I think

1289
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,840
it's supposed to be this year or maybe

1290
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,200
soon. And that would also add a lot of

1291
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,680
add a lot of parking to this area

1292
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,480
because right now it's just gravel and

1293
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,400
not really well defined. So, the

1294
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:37,080
downtown commercial buildings don't

1295
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,920
require their own parking on site

1296
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,760
because of the nature of a downtown. So,

1297
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,560
they we tend to aggregate that parking

1298
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,360
into parking lots that the municipality

1299
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,960
maintains or street parking.

1300
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,840
» Okay. And uh Denise here um

1301
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,000
comment about the parking lot um a few

1302
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,000
council meetings ago. We just did did

1303
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,520
approve the um

1304
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,640
the the project itself. Um I don't

1305
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,240
recall off the top of my head when

1306
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,760
that'll happen, but my my if I had to

1307
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,600
guess, my my understanding was that it

1308
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,920
would be done sometime this year.

1309
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Um so, hopefully it is. Sooner the

1310
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,120
better. Um but it has been approved by

1311
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,120
council. It was approved by the budget.

1312
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,280
So, um that will be happening uh

1313
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,040
regardless.

1314
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,240
Um okay. Uh less questions, comments

1315
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,440
from anybody here at the table?

1316
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,080
Okay. Uh wonderful. Um now uh

1317
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Sorry?

1318
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,480
» Thank

1319
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,560
» Oh. Uh yeah. Uh Blake, uh any uh

1320
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,720
comments, my friend?

1321
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,960
» Yeah, sorry. I I didn't want to

1322
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:28,720
interject there, but just as an

1323
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
additional point on the parking item. Uh

1324
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,600
it's something that's come up

1325
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,040
frequently. I know that this is the

1326
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,320
first time that this proposal has come

1327
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,800
forward to the Heritage Committee, but

1328
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,320
just something that I wanted to flag for

1329
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,080
the room is that we've actually been

1330
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:41,320
discussing this site now for about 4

1331
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,520
years. Um and in some of the initial

1332
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,840
conversations with staff, uh there was

1333
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,880
actually a preference to push for a zero

1334
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,920
parking provision on this site. That is

1335
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:53,120
something that I've always been

1336
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:56,240
steadfastly against for obvious reasons.

1337
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,720
Um there there's a there's a real

1338
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,440
there's a real challenge with providing

1339
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:01,160
zero parking in almost any facility and

1340
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,800
I don't want to suggest even for a

1341
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,400
second that um

1342
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,400
our senior planner in the room, Denise,

1343
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,160
has spoken for that. That's not at all

1344
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
what I'm trying to suggest. Uh but there

1345
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,720
has been conversation about that zero

1346
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,320
parking provision in the C1 zone.

1347
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,920
Um that doesn't apply to residential,

1348
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,120
accessory residential above commercial

1349
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,720
spaces, but it does apply to the

1350
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,600
commercial spaces. So, what we're

1351
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:21,360
targeting in the ultimate condition is

1352
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,000
the preservation of the current parking

1353
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,960
facilities, right? We're not looking to

1354
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,520
reduce the parking on site. Uh we're

1355
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,720
trying to provide a similar or near

1356
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,880
similar parking

1357
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,600
uh solution on site. All of the

1358
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,120
residential would be provided for on

1359
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,960
site. There would be additional visitor

1360
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,960
and commercial parking on site. Then it

1361
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,440
would be overflow parking would be

1362
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,280
on-street parking for the commercial

1363
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,960
uses. And then we have the additional

1364
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,600
municipal parking facilities beyond

1365
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,280
that. But we're we're not looking to

1366
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,600
reduce the overall parking on site,

1367
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,520
really. We're we're trying to maintain a

1368
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,120
parking component on site even though

1369
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,440
it's in the C1 zone.

1370
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,160
» Very good. Thank you for uh providing

1371
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,000
that clarification, Blake. Uh Nancy,

1372
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,280
please go ahead.

1373
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,640
» Um my my only concern is the the

1374
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,920
on-street parking along that street is

1375
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,480
already a significant uh

1376
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,960
I you know, whether it's going into the

1377
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,880
drugstore or whatever wherever the the

1378
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,840
people are going, but uh

1379
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,520
there are the it it already is there are

1380
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,200
a significant number of cars always

1381
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,880
parked along that street. So, I I didn't

1382
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,120
really know about the municipal parking

1383
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,909
lot, so maybe I just didn't know it was

1384
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,000
there. So.

1385
00:49:23,909 --> 00:49:26,520
» [laughter]

1386
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,840
» But that's good to know there's if

1387
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,800
they're making uh renovations to that.

1388
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,920
» Mhm.

1389
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,840
» Trust me, I've had to park there during

1390
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,699
uh the uh Christmas on the Bay festivals

1391
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,240
a few years in a row now and I hear you.

1392
00:49:35,699 --> 00:49:39,880
» [laughter]

1393
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,880
» Denise, go ahead.

1394
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,120
» I was just going to follow up, Mr. Mr.

1395
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Chair, uh

1396
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,040
a lot of people probably don't recognize

1397
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,800
that it's there because it just looks

1398
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,680
like a gravel

1399
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,040
space and or probably they don't know

1400
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,360
whether that's where you should go or

1401
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,640
not, but I I actually parked there

1402
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,560
myself when um the other flow overflow

1403
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,080
lots are or all the other lots are full.

1404
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,320
We expect that probably it will be

1405
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,920
better utilized when it's redone because

1406
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,840
right now it's undefined, so it's really

1407
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,920
hard to make people park efficiently. So

1408
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,800
once it's paved and has lines, it should

1409
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,760
work a little bit better.

1410
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,840
» It'll be in much better shape when

1411
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,320
that's all done, that's for sure.

1412
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,440
All right, is everybody all right ready

1413
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,280
if I call the question? Okay, all in

1414
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,480
favor of this agenda item here?

1415
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,240
Excellent. Okay, well that's been

1416
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:25,880
approved uh unanimously. Thank you very

1417
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,880
much and Blake, thank you for your time.

1418
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,480
» Wait.

1419
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,400
Thank you.

1420
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,440
» All right, folks. So here we go. Uh

1421
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,320
let's move on with that. Uh that's it

1422
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:37,400
today for heritage permit applications.

1423
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,080
So we are going to be moving on to item

1424
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,440
number seven, which is items for

1425
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,080
information.

1426
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,600
We have HAC 2026-01,

1427
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,040
the cultural heritage project planning

1428
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,840
for 2026. Recommendation is that the

1429
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:53,120
Heritage Advisory Committee receive

1430
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:55,120
report HAC 2026-01,

1431
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,560
cultural heritage project planning for

1432
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,000
2026 for information. Uh can I get a

1433
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,680
mover and a seconder to put that on the

1434
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,880
floor, please?

1435
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,000
Anybody? David first, uh mover. John

1436
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,360
second, thank you very much.

1437
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Okay, and uh Denise, I'll let you uh get

1438
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,360
started with this item if you don't

1439
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,120
mind, please.

1440
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,440
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So this is just a

1441
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,400
revisit of that report that we um

1442
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:22,960
talked about already. So there were a

1443
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,880
few ideas of projects and um I think

1444
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,200
we've looked at what our workload is and

1445
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,680
what high types of projects we think

1446
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,560
that we were now halfway through the

1447
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,800
year could launch. And I think the most

1448
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,880
the easiest low-hanging fruit that we

1449
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,480
feel very confident that we could start

1450
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,400
if the committee was interested in would

1451
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:42,560
be the cultural or heritage awards

1452
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:45,200
program. So um in speaking with Jessica

1453
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:47,000
Kenyon, they um

1454
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:49,720
the the awards that we've given out for

1455
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,920
other things, volunteer awards, business

1456
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,840
awards, things like that. We believe

1457
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,760
that that one could be easily worked

1458
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:59,720
into our regular

1459
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,560
workload that we have now, and it could

1460
00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:03,880
be a matter of just starting the project

1461
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,520
and opening up nominations,

1462
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,160
and the committee could make be the one

1463
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,880
that's making the choices or recommend

1464
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,400
approval of choices to council.

1465
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,800
We could bring something back further on

1466
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,600
what it might look like if we want a bit

1467
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,520
more detail if the committee was willing

1468
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,400
to recommend moving forward with

1469
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,400
something like that. We also think some

1470
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,760
of the other ones, the three that I

1471
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,960
made as this kind of low-hanging fruit

1472
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,960
even in at that time was updating doing

1473
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:33,240
some better online tools or maps. Those

1474
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,080
may be a longer-term project that we

1475
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,880
could start and maybe hope for next year

1476
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,800
that we would have it live, and it could

1477
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,520
just be a layer or a couple of layers

1478
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,280
that are added to existing mapping that

1479
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,560
we have. We have our own me for GIS

1480
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,320
system now, and so we would have the

1481
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,640
ability of working within that system.

1482
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,160
We wouldn't have to start over or

1483
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,840
anything like that. But that could be

1484
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,720
something that we work on over the next

1485
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:59,120
few months versus making sure it's in

1486
00:52:55,720 --> 00:53:01,520
place this year versus when I look at

1487
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,760
something like the plaque program or the

1488
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,080
awards program, both of those probably

1489
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,160
could happen sooner rather than later.

1490
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:11,400
But especially I was thinking in

1491
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,320
speaking with EcDev and and our director

1492
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,400
as well, the Heritage Awards program

1493
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,960
probably could be a great candidate to

1494
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:21,200
still complete in 2026 without making

1495
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:24,000
anybody jump through hoops or backflips

1496
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,720
or anything like that, and um

1497
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,080
we'd be happy to move forward bringing

1498
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:30,320
another report next month about

1499
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,720
how we could launch it, and maybe even

1500
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,600
have it open with a communications plan

1501
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,040
and and a the ability to open that

1502
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,960
program.

1503
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,040
» Excellent.

1504
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,840
Okay. Denise, thank you for that. So,

1505
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,800
let's open it up to the uh committee

1506
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,360
here for questions or comments.

1507
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,320
Anybody have any contribution? Uh David,

1508
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,000
go ahead.

1509
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,240
» I just want to say I think it's a great

1510
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,880
idea to get the plaque and the awards

1511
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:54,840
going sooner

1512
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,720
than later. I mean, it's uh

1513
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,760
you know, with with the project on sites

1514
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,080
that we spoke of earlier

1515
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,240
where these buildings are uh are in need

1516
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:07,080
of, you know, uh of improvement. I think

1517
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,280
it's let's get it going now. It's

1518
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,920
energetic.

1519
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,600
» Yeah. Uh I completely agree. Uh and uh

1520
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,720
Denise, I have a question for you. So um

1521
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,880
with regards to say the heritage awards

1522
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,960
or the plaque program, and I'm certainly

1523
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,800
in favor of those, um

1524
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,600
who would be defining the sort of the

1525
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,680
categories for these? Would that be the

1526
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,880
responsibility of heritage to provide a

1527
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,520
recommendation for council's

1528
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,200
consideration? I'm not really sure how

1529
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,200
that works.

1530
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,840
» So thank you, Mr. Chair. The committee

1531
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,600
could make recommendations on that. We

1532
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,400
I can think of a couple things they

1533
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,280
could be built heritage, it could be

1534
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:47,440
adaptive reuse, it could be

1535
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:49,880
um new projects, it could be um

1536
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,080
you know, heritage education, it could

1537
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,320
be other things. So uh I'm certainly

1538
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,040
open to any of those ideas or we could

1539
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,680
just

1540
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,080
you know, make up as many categories as

1541
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,880
we want, and if nothing happens in a

1542
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,960
year that we feel that

1543
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,920
is would be subject to an award or

1544
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,600
um maybe it's a a slow year with permits

1545
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,320
or something like that, then we don't

1546
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,160
have to do it that year, but it would

1547
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,280
always be available should there be a

1548
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,680
bunch of projects that could um be

1549
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,760
recognized. And we also, because it's

1550
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,920
the if we launch a program like that, we

1551
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,440
can also go back in time and recognize

1552
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,320
projects that happened the last few

1553
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,000
years. So

1554
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,480
» Oh, that's great.

1555
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,000
» If a project was built two or three

1556
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,520
years ago and we didn't have this awards

1557
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,800
program, and the examples I was looking

1558
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:38,320
at, um it looked like other

1559
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,000
municipalities have done that,

1560
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,760
especially when the program is washed

1561
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,840
launched or if there's a very lean year,

1562
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,120
they might pick catch up another year

1563
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:50,800
and do more than one award. So,

1564
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:53,080
I think those that's all doable. Um

1565
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,800
it may be just a list of types that you

1566
00:55:53,080 --> 00:56:00,440
would want to put forward. So, whether

1567
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:02,200
it's adaptive reuse or preservation or,

1568
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,880
you know, innovation or something like

1569
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,120
that or

1570
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,240
um

1571
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:11,000
could be not related to the district as

1572
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:13,120
well. So, things like heritage education

1573
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:16,200
widely. Um I know there's a bunch of

1574
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:18,320
things going on right now with other

1575
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,160
entities like the museum, Grey Roots

1576
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,800
Museum, and I think there's also a

1577
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,720
communities

1578
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,320
um talking about the hamlets and things

1579
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,560
like that that's happening right now

1580
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:31,240
from an education standpoint.

1581
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,320
Those things could also get an award,

1582
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:33,840
for example. It doesn't have to be

1583
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,680
district related. It could just be

1584
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,600
heritage in general. Um

1585
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,960
or someone who's done some outstanding

1586
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,640
res preservation work or a champion of

1587
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,080
heritage in the community, those sorts

1588
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,760
of things. So,

1589
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,000
» Okay. And Vera, that's very good. One

1590
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,960
recommendation what I would like to see

1591
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,480
is

1592
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,440
in the to your comment, adaptive reuse,

1593
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,680
of course. That's a big one.

1594
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,120
Other things that are sort of more in

1595
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,520
the vein of sustainability like that.

1596
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,280
Something to the effect of like a

1597
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:03,360
heritage like a stewardship award or

1598
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,880
something, you know, to recognize folks

1599
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,720
or businesses that take the time and an

1600
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,840
effort to maintain

1601
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,080
their existing heritage property.

1602
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:16,000
And I think that, you know, things or

1603
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,760
sustainable heritage award where

1604
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,640
we have somebody with a heritage

1605
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,880
property and they're taking

1606
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,920
sustainability initiatives to maybe make

1607
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,360
their building more energy efficient,

1608
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,000
for example, or they're just using a

1609
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,360
heat pumps or more, you know, innovative

1610
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,400
technologies.

1611
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,840
Being able to recognize and reward that.

1612
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,160
So, I think that sustainability

1613
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,800
component is is huge because of course

1614
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:40,200
the most sustainable building is the one

1615
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,680
that's already built. And that really

1616
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:45,040
that's conducive to what

1617
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:48,680
heritage conservation is all about. So,

1618
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:51,800
I really do like that. So, question if

1619
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,560
we do approve this

1620
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,800
this agenda item for information

1621
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,760
purposes. So, the timeline that you're

1622
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,560
coming just so I understand

1623
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,920
that would

1624
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,640
would council be approving this or

1625
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,480
requesting a report and then these items

1626
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,480
that are all mentioned here, you know,

1627
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,640
updating the mapping, the awards, the

1628
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,400
plaques, etc. Would those be all

1629
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,640
included and the report would sort of

1630
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,720
lay out what all those would look like?

1631
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Maybe you can just walk us through like

1632
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,920
what the next steps would be after we

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00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:23,360
approve if we approve this today.

1634
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,480
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, my thought

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:29,840
would be if there was a recommendation

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00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:33,040
to or even just like positive feedback

1637
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:36,000
on this, we could come back next meeting

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,640
with a recommendation for a program. So,

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00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,280
for example, if it is the Heritage

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,720
Awards program, we could launch that

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00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,040
this year. We could bring back maybe a

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00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,920
suggested categories the community could

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,760
pick from and then make a recommendation

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00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,400
of to council to approve a Heritage

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,960
Awards program. We have a budget set

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,880
aside already for of a thousand dollars

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00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,480
for this year. So,

1648
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,880
um

1649
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,560
that the council's already put that

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,800
budget in place. Okay.

1651
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,720
» Excellent.

1652
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:05,400
Um and so are we as the committee being

1653
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,360
asked to identify which of these

1654
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,920
initiatives we want to recommend or if

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,920
we approve it the document as is or we

1656
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,800
just sort of saying let's go ahead with

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00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,520
all of them and see what that would look

1658
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,920
like

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00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,360
if we were kind of mapping those things

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00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,360
out.

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00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,320
» So, thank you, Mr. Chair. So, I think we

1662
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,760
are just looking for feedback right now

1663
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:29,120
versus a direction like an actual formal

1664
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,280
recommendation to council or anything

1665
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,160
cuz I we did we just put it in the

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00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,440
information section.

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,040
And if we had a sense of what the

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00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,120
committee was looking for, what they

1669
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,920
would like to prioritize, then staff

1670
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:42,280
were thinking we would go back and start

1671
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,920
putting more teeth to this.

1672
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,240
Um cuz right now these are just items

1673
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,480
for suggestion and I gave some links to

1674
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,720
other places to kind of look at what

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00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,240
they're doing.

1676
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Um if that

1677
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,000
there was a a sense of like, "Hey, yes,

1678
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,080
we want to do a map. That's the most

1679
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,120
important one or or plaque is the most

1680
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,280
important one or the awards or there's a

1681
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:03,680
different one that we haven't thought

1682
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,400
of." We could come back with the outline

1683
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,480
at next meeting. So, if the next I'm

1684
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,400
just wondering looking over at Derek for

1685
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,640
is the next meeting in 2 months from now

1686
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,120
or is it 2 months from July?

1687
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:17,200
Or is it July?

1688
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,200
Okay, so it's a month. Okay. So,

1689
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,320
um

1690
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,120
if that So, if that makes sense, we

1691
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,400
could we would just be looking for kind

1692
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,600
of the general feedback of what to maybe

1693
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,040
put together.

1694
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,920
» True.

1695
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:31,120
» Um I think probably at least two things

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,160
could get started. Probably the words

1697
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,400
from could be could be launched before

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01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,080
the end of the year and we could have

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01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:39,240
awards versus the map may take a few

1700
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,840
more months of planning of what we want

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:44,000
to put in, but we could still start it

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01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,720
and um and move forward with it. We just

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,880
maybe wouldn't have it all done by the

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01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,400
end of this this particular year

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,280
calendar year. It might be a 1-year

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01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,320
project, for example.

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,600
» Okay, thank you. And I hope that gives

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,920
uh the committee a better understanding

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,640
of what we're being asked uh for today.

1710
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,720
Um so, any questions or comments with

1711
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,360
regards to these different initiatives?

1712
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,080
Um anything anybody likes, anything they

1713
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,640
don't like? Um

1714
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,120
the staff are looking for feedback from

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01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,440
us. So, um

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,080
if anybody has anything to contribute,

1717
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,480
it'd be appreciated.

1718
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,920
Uh David, thank you.

1719
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:16,800
» Um I just I I did say, but I I think the

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:19,080
plaque and the awards, I mean, that's

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,240
something that can get started, what

1722
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,040
we're saying, right away. I think that's

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,720
sort of a a good direction to go

1724
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:29,000
uh right now and then to do

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:31,840
uh to do a mapping which would then

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01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:35,000
identify hopefully some uh other

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01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:37,440
properties and

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01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,840
other heritage elements that that we can

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:41,480
discuss on a

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:44,800
you know, one-off basis. Um

1731
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,760
specific to property, specific to uh

1732
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,240
activities.

1733
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:46,720
» Mhm.

1734
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,120
» Yeah.

1735
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,720
» Excellent.

1736
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,680
» So.

1737
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,320
» Thank you.

1738
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,880
Um

1739
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,760
what with regards to some of the

1740
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:55,920
suggested proj- uh projects, of course,

1741
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:58,200
the um awards, the plaques, the um the

1742
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,560
mapping, those things are all wonderful.

1743
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,760
Something we haven't talked about that I

1744
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,680
think is important when we look at

1745
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,400
long-term heritage preservation is um

1746
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,240
updating the weaker outdated heritage

1747
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,600
designation bylaws.

1748
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,720
Um I think that's something that will

1749
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:13,760
help future heritage advisory committees

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01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,720
and help uh help the overall um heritage

1751
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,680
district and heritage buildings in in

1752
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:21,120
the municipality. And then also um uh

1753
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,960
the project about researching properties

1754
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,760
of interest for potential listing of

1755
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:29,840
designation. And we don't really know um

1756
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:32,240
if there are um heritage

1757
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:35,200
eligible buildings uh that uh are not

1758
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,840
listed or recognized. And um if they do

1759
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,240
uh meet the requirements, then um they

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01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,440
should be brought into that and

1761
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,600
celebrated and recognized um you know,

1762
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,560
for what they are and their special

1763
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:46,560
features. So, in addition to the

1764
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,160
projects that we could implement in

1765
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,680
short order, I think long-term those two

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01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,480
specifically would be um in in in the

1767
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,120
best interest of the municipality for

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,920
preservation um and uh documentation and

1769
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,840
things like that. So, I certainly am in

1770
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:02,160
favor of those.

1771
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:05,120
Um and uh any other questions or

1772
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:08,120
comments for anybody here, no?

1773
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,640
Okay, so um I think we've uh

1774
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,880
had some discussion here. Uh so, that's

1775
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,200
wonderful. And if we don't have any more

1776
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,840
questions or comments, then I'll I'll

1777
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,840
just call the question. And uh oh, is

1778
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,880
this for information? Do we have to

1779
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,920
accept this by vote, Derek? Okay. Uh so,

1780
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,680
I'm just going to call the question. All

1781
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,280
in favor?

1782
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Okay, and that's accepted unanimously.

1783
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:28,480
Thank you very much for that, everybody.

1784
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,480
And uh let me just get back to my

1785
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,520
screen here.

1786
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,960
Okay, apologies. Here we go. Uh number

1787
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:39,560
eight on the agenda is committee

1788
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:41,120
inquiries. Uh this is an opportunity for

1789
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,800
members of the committee to ask

1790
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,560
questions that are heritage related. If

1791
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,960
there's anything on anybody's minds, um

1792
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,840
does anybody have anything they'd like

1793
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,840
to ask about?

1794
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,040
No? Okay, wonderful. So, we'll just move

1795
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,560
on then.

1796
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,040
And uh number nine here on the agenda,

1797
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,000
communications.

1798
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,840
The committee will consider

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,720
correspondence received by members of

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,160
the public during each meeting.

1801
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,600
To share your comments, thoughts, or

1802
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,240
concerns with members of the committee,

1803
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,840
the public can send an email to

1804
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,480
clerk@meaford.ca.

1805
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,880
When emails are received to this email

1806
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,680
address, they uh will be compiled into a

1807
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,120
correspondence list, which is then

1808
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,320
distributed to the committee members

1809
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,960
prior to each meeting. The cover sheet

1810
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,760
of this list will be included on each

1811
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,640
meeting agenda. The contents of the

1812
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,040
correspondence list are not included on

1813
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,560
the public agenda to protect the privacy

1814
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,160
and personal information of those

1815
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:28,840
residents who choose to send in their

1816
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,680
thoughts and comments.

1817
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:33,040
And what we have here on the

1818
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:34,640
communications list is the uh CHO 2026

1819
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,840
spring newsletter.

1820
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,480
Um does anybody have any comments or

1821
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,480
questions with regards to anything on

1822
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,880
the communications list?

1823
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,480
Okay.

1824
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,720
Wonderful.

1825
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,320
» Will there be an opportunity for

1826
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,000
additional input from the public at this

1827
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,000
point or no?

1828
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,600
» Oh, that's Blake.

1829
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,280
» Interesting. Um

1830
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,400
is Is there a point I don't think this

1831
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,960
is the part of the agenda where we don't

1832
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,560
have any public participation, so my

1833
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,920
apologies for that.

1834
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,480
Um all right, so we're going to move on

1835
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,320
to uh number 10. This is the date of the

1836
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,720
next meeting. So, we do have July 8th,

1837
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:11,200
2026. And um with that said, I want to

1838
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,720
thank everybody for their time today.

1839
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,080
We'll see you July 8th, and I will

1840
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,480
conclude today's meeting. Thank you very

1841
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,480
much.