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Good afternoon everyone and welcome to

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our regular meeting for uh Monday, July

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13th. Uh I'm going to call the meeting

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to order now and invite everyone to rise

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for O Canada.

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Now I'm going to invite uh Deputy Mayor

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Keveny to read our land acknowledgement.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and good

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afternoon, everyone. We would like to

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begin by acknowledging that we are

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meeting on the traditional lands and

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treaty territory of the Sin Ojiway

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nation which includes the Chipawas of

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Naywash unseated First Nation and the

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Chipawas of Sin First Nation. We also

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recognize the Matei whose ancestors

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shared this land and these waters. We

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extend our gratitude to all Anesab and

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Matei peoples and their descendants,

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past, present, and future, who continue

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to care for and inhabit these lands and

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tend these waters.

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» Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, now I just

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invite you to join me in a moment of

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silent reflection on our business today.

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Thank you.

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Uh is there any disclosure of pecuniary

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interest around the horseshoe? I see

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none, but uh should it uh occur to you,

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please bring it up when that time comes.

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Um announcements.

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Deputy Mayor, we can usually count on

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you to uh [laughter]

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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, I try to keep

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uh up with what's happening in the

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community and there's always lots going

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on in Meford. So, just a couple of

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things today. Um on behalf of Bogner

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Hall, they are hosting coffee houses now

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and I think I mentioned this uh when

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they first began, but they've become so

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successful already, averaging 36

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attendees and they have poets and

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musicians, storytellers, standup

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comedians, you name it. The next event

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is uh Sunday, July the 19th from 2 until

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4:00 at the Bogner Community Center. And

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the event is by donation. So just uh

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come and pay what you can. They do keep

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the bar open and this will be a

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recurring event every month. So it's a

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great time had by all.

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Uh secondly, on the 15th of uh July

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coming up this week, is the annual pork

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chop barbecue out in Bogner. So, just uh

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keep that in mind as well. And that's uh

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beginning at 5:00. And on the 17th is

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the Rotary annual fish fry right down at

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the Rust Bumpstead Rotary Pavilion.

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Tickets are $30 and available at Grandma

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Lambs or from any Rotarian. There's two

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of us in the room, past President Bill

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and myself. And the menu is pickaro,

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baked potatoes, coleslaw, all the

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fixings and pies from grandma lambs for

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desserts. Uh the bar is open there as

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well. And do come out and help Rotary

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support uh the community. All this all

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the funds that we raise go right back

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into projects uh right here in the

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municipality of Meford and some

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international projects as well. But come

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on out and enjoy the fish fry on the

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17th. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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» Councelor Renis.

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» Thank you very much. Um, we have uh the

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Great Lakes Matei Fish Fry being held uh

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by the the council uh that's based out

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of Bowen Sound on Saturday, July the

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20th. I've been um every year for the

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past couple of years. The fish is uh

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highly recommended. It's excellent. Um

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the day after uh the Rotary Fish Fry. Uh

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lunch starts uh at 12 and tickets are

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$20 per person or $60 for a family.

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» Council Yurig.

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» Thank you, Mr. Mayor, sorry I don't have

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another fish right. Um, MIFF is its 20th

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anniversary and so as I've said before,

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Tiff is a a series that's running

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throughout the uh leadup to myth in

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September and this evening uh is the

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third of four films that are being shown

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um in that 20th anniversary slot. Uh

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it's called Holy Days and it shows at

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700 p.m. tonight at Meford Hall and

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tickets are only $20. So, uh, we would

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appreciate anybody coming out to

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support, uh, Tiff and you can find more

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information at mefordculture.ca.

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» U, councelor Greenfield.

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» Thank you, uh, Mayor Kentner. Yes, I

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have a couple items to mention. Uh, they

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both pertain to the historic Leaf

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Church. I'm sure everyone knows where

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that is located. Saturday evening, July

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18th at uh 700 p.m.

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uh a group entertaining. They're called

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the Seventh Town. They're a Celtic folk

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band from your PEI.

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Uh they include pipes and drums. And uh

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the uh performance will be uh will be

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outside unless uh uh weather insists

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that uh it should go inside. And then on

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Saturday, July 25th at 7:30 also at the

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uh Leath Church. And this is one I think

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everybody should be interested in taking

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in. It's the Maple Reserve Barberhop

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Quartet.

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Uh, how exciting is that? Tickets are

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available through the Roxy Theater

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ticket office in Oldtown. Thank you.

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» Excellent. [clears throat] Anyone else

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on our side of the horseshoe? Um, anyone

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on the other side have something to

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offer? Yes. Uh, Director Carbert.

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» Uh, thank you, your worship. Um, this

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will be posted online and through the

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municipal website this week, but also on

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site. The Georgian Trail will be closed

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between Sworthmore Drive and Christy

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Beach Road on Thursday and Friday in

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order for engineering work to be

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completed on structure 129. Um they'll

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have a large drilling rig in there. So

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we can't accommodate both pedestrian

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bikes and the drilling rig. So the trail

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will be closed and unfortunately there

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is no alternative route uh around this

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trail section. So, if all goes well,

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it'll be finalized Friday night and

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everything will be returned to normal on

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Saturday morning again.

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» Thank you. Anyone else? Um, well, I have

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a very pleasant duty myself at this

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point in time and I'm just going to uh

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read this um tribute and then I'm going

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to go go down there and meet this young

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lady. Uh, this is uh to Doris Rose. Dear

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Doris, on behalf of the council of the

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municipality of Meford, it is our great

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pleasure to extend our sincere

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congratulations to you on your selection

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for the Herbert Smith Freeh Hills Kramer

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Portrait Award 2026 at the National

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Portrait Gallery in London, England.

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This remarkable honor reflects your

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extraordinary talent, dedication to your

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craft, and the international impact of

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your artistic practice. To be chosen for

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one of the world's leading exhibitions

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of contemporary portrait painting is an

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exceptional achievement and one that

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brings great pride to the municipality

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of Meford. Your selected work, Stripes,

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is a powerful example of the creativity,

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technical skill, and personal insight

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that defines your practice. We also

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recognize the meaningful role you play

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in our local arts community through your

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studio work here in Meford and your

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efforts to make art education more

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accessible. Your success on an

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international stage is an inspiration to

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artists and residents alike and a

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reminder that creative excellence can

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flourish in communities of every size.

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Please accept our heartfelt

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congratulations on this well-deserved

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recognition. We wish you continued

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success as the exhibition opens in

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London and tours across the United

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Kingdom. Yours sincerely and it's signed

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by uh myself as mayor uh Deputy Mayor

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Keveny and every member of this council.

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Now we uh move on to public

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participation. Uh members of the public

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are encouraged to provide council with

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their comments and questions.

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Presentations must be pre-arranged with

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legislative services before the agenda

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is released and will be limited to 10

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minutes. If a member of the public

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wishes to make a deputation on items on

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the council agenda or to ask a public

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question of council, they may do so

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either in person at the council chambers

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or remotely via Zoom. Members of the

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public wishing to make a deputation or

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to ask a public question are encouraged

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to register in advance with legislative

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services by 10 in the morning on the day

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of. And you can do that by contacting

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deputy clerk@me.ca CA or calling

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519-5381060

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extension 1100. An email with access

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information will be sent to those who

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register for remote participation.

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Deputations are limited to 5 minutes and

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public questions are limited to two

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minutes. The public can watch this

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meeting live via the Municipality of

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Meford's YouTube channel

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www.mmeford.ca/youtube.

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we do have some deputations.

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And uh first I'm going to call uh Gina

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Jawarski who is speaking tonight item

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91A which is consideration of sale and

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disposition of municipal properties.

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Someone turn uh Gina's uh

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microphone there.

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» Is that all right? I don't see. Is there

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microphone on? Good. Okay, fine. Just go

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right ahead. Thank you.

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» Okay. Thank you. So, good afternoon,

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mayor, members of council, and staff. My

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name is Gina Juniper Jorski, and I'd

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like to thank you for the opportunity to

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speak regarding the proposed disposal of

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the Aken Street Road allowance. I'm here

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as the owner of the adjoining property,

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but also as someone whose family has

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been connected to this land for

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generations. In 1969, my father served

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severed these properties and registered

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them with the town. I have the original

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survey certificate available which shows

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the lots as they were created with the

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road allowance intended to provide

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future access. These lots remain legally

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registered today. However, they cannot

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be developed because the road identified

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on the survey has never been provided.

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There are two lots that are legally

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registered behind 244 Aken Street. Our

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road allowance is a public asset. Once

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it's sold, it may be impossible to

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recover if future community needs needs

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to change.

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This neighborhood continues to grow.

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There's a large vacant property across

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from our home that may one day be

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developed. Memorial Park is located at

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one end of Aken Street. The old high

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school is located at the other. And the

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street already experiences significant

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pedestrian and vehicle traffic. There is

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also an existing stop sign intersection

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at this location which demonstrates that

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the road allowance was considered part

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of the future road network. Before

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removing this opportunity, I believe

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council should carefully consider

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whether this connection may be needed in

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the future for traffic flow, emergency

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access, pedestrian safety, or municipal

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servicing. Looking ahead, a new school

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is planned for the former track

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property, and the future use of the old

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high school has yet to be determined.

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While access from Aken Street to the

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former high school property has been

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closed, future changes to the area may

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result in increased traffic being

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directed onto Richmond Street and then

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back through Eliza Street to access

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alternate exits. If Aken Street becomes

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congested during school related traffic

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times, maintaining future road options

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may be an an an important consideration.

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Disposing of this road allowance could

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limit future solutions and may

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contribute to further traffic pressures

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on surrounding streets. Concerns that

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council has already heard from residents

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when you had your past meetings

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regarding whatever is happening at the

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old high school. I also asked council to

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consider the history of this property. A

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previous council considered disposing of

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the same road allowance and ultimately

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chose to retain it. I respectfully asked

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what has changed since that decision.

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I also question why only one part of the

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portion of the road allowance is being

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considered for disposal while the

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section fronting Eliza Street is not. I

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need to understand the reason for this

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distinction. Uh and I believe it's

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important before making any irreversible

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decision regarding public land. While my

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concerns are about the future of the

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community, I also need to acknowledge

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that this decision would have a direct

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negative impact on my property. The two

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registered lots created in 1969 were

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established with the understanding that

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the road allowance would provide future

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access. Removing that possibly affects

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the future use, value, and development

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potential of my property.

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Finally, I was never formally informed

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that this proposal would be coming

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before council. I became aware of it

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only by reviewing the council agenda

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myself. I believe decisions involving

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public land should include meaningful

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consultation with those most directly

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affected. For those reasons, I

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respectfully ask council to postpone any

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decision to dispose of this road

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allowance until its historical purpose,

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future municipal needs, access

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considerations, and long-term planning

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implications have been fully reviewed. I

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believe good planning requires us to

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think beyond today's need. Once this

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land is sold, the opportunity to use it

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for the benefit of future generations

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may be gone forever. I thank you for

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your time and consideration.

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» Thank you very much. Uh is any counselor

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have a question for the speaker

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and I'm just going to ask uh CEO

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Everett, did you wish to respond at all

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at this time?

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» Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. In regards to

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response, um the report laid out what

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the process was uh in regards to

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reaching out once council uh approves

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that report. There will be

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correspondence going out to the adjacent

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land owners to understand if there are

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any concerns. Uh there have been some

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communications in this regard. Um and at

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this point, council's not disposing of

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the land as yet.

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» Okay. Thank you very much.

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Uh the next speaker is uh Jean Burch and

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she is also uh speaking to item uh 91A.

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Um, I live in the same vicinity as Gina

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does and of course uh I've been taking

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care of a piece of property that ab

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butts the land uh the road allowance for

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a number of years. At one time I did my

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husband and I did ask to buy it and we

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were informed it had been made part of

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the road allowance.

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So, uh, at any time in the future that

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you want to sell the road allowance, I

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think I should be given consideration to

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buy the piece of property adjoining it.

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It's not big enough for a building lot.

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Uh

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also uh

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I would like to ask

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is there any way

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that you can

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open up the back road of the cemetery?

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I think you need to for emergency

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reasons because of the amount of people

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that live down my way. And we don't have

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a great deal of roads down there to get

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out if there was ever an emergency.

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And I'd like to I I have uh asked

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Shirley about it before on occasion. Um

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so I I'd really like to know something

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about that.

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» I see staff making some notes. So, thank

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you very much.

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» Thank you.

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» Um,

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» Third speaker is uh Patrick McDonald uh

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also speaking to uh 91A.

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Mayor Kentner, deputy mayor, counselors,

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staff. Um, I'm speaking specifically to

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uh the inclusion of uh block,

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pardon me, Kingston Beach Road plan

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block A to B on the list of properties

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recommended for sale and and uh

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disposal.

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Um,

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I am owner and resident at lot 17 plan

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731 at Kingston Beach. that's otherwise

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known as 113 Kingston Beach.

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My understanding and belief is that a

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pre-existing

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easement

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which exists

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uh from May 1986

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for block A and the shore road allowance

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for the purpose of obtaining water from

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the wellhead located on block A would

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prelude

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uh the inclusion of this

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um piece of property in the municipal

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municipalities plan for disposal. That

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easement was granted by Sidnham Township

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Council to my father and passed to me

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when I purchased the family home. Uh

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indeed, that well on block A supplies

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water to other users in the subdivision,

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a total of three others. To my

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knowledge, it's not clear to me in what

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I've been able to read that municipal

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staff were aware of this infrastructure

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uh on the uh block A property or the

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40-year-old legal easement or the shore

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well and water lines. And in my opinion,

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that would preclude its inclusion in as

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a property for uh for disposal.

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I would ask whether or not that was

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considered in

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um staff's decision to include it in the

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package of properties to be disposed of.

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» I think that perhaps the CEO ever can

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respond to that now.

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» Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um as I

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mentioned in the last my my previous

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response, going through this process

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will allow us to have that communication

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with residents. Um I'm sure over the

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years there are a number of of different

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easements that have been put in place.

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Uh I was not aware of of of this

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situation. Um however this is why the

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process works. We we basically get

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information from residents. Um and again

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I want to stress council has not

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disposed of these lands. This is the

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early stages of consideration of

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disposal of lands.

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» Thank you.

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And uh we have a final uh speaker uh

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Darcy Chapman. Uh if you would come

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forward, I think you're quite familiar

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with our facilities here. Welcome back.

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Thank you, your worship, council.

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[clears throat]

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Uh so yeah, I'm I'm here for the the

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same uh agenda item. Um I'd first like

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to start by saying that I recognize that

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council passed a budget this year that

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included a million half dollars in

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revenue for land sales. So, if you don't

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find land to sell, you're going to have

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an operating budget deficit. So, I know

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that this is why this is this is a a big

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deal. Uh I certainly question why the

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million half dollars was included in the

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operating budget because we by the looks

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of the the 94 properties that were

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provided to council. Many of them can't

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be sold. So, where we're going to come

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up with a million and a half dollars

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every year going forward uh is is

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certainly a question. Um, some of the

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properties I have no problem with, but

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there are five that I take great

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exception to. Um, Kingston Beach, Sunset

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Beach, and Queens Bush. Uh, all three of

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those properties were reviewed eight,

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nine years ago. Um, I question whether

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staff actually went and did any kind of

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a site tour. I've actually walked all

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three of those properties. There were a

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number of staff that came to those

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meetings. There were actually members of

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council that came to those those on-site

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meetings as well. Those properties uh to

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the best of my knowledge do have

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encumbrances on them. They either have

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deemed access for back lots or they do

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have uh things like um wells like the

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the gentleman just noted. Um more

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importantly, uh having waterfront lots

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that the municipality owns is not

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something that we should sell. It is a

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massive asset. These things should be

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kept for for public use. They should

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actually be improved upon. they we

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should be looking at creating small

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parkquetses with a handful of uh parking

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spaces and actually providing access to

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the waterfront for more locations. We

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already know that the locations that we

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have do get overwhelmed. So something

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very simple like a Leath Beach idea

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would be perfect at these locations. It

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would actually mean maybe that we could

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uh you know put something out there to

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the public that they can go and access

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these locations. It would get the people

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to actually go and drive around the

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municipality and see different areas of

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the municipality. So, I don't think

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these three properties should be sold at

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all. They actually need to be kept in

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the public trust and they should be

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improved upon. The other two are uh

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Ridge Road and Susan Street. Uh council

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over the last 12 to 18 months has put in

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significant investment into industrial

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and commercial lands. Uh you're now

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looking at making a decision to sell

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industrial lands and I don't understand

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why. Uh these are fully serviced

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industrial lots. Uh they take no

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investment of public money whereas the

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property that you've recently just

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purchased is going to take millions and

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millions of dollars to put underground

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infrastructure and roads onto them. The

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these properties are available. If

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they're going to be if they're already

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usable or can be used, uh, council

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should be going through the process with

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planning staff, legal, engineers,

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whoever the case may be to actually make

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sure that these things are available for

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use and that they can be easily

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marketed. Whereas the land that you've

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00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,520
just bought right now will need

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significant investment in multiple years

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to even get close to being actually

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market ready. So, I mean, the question

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that I have, this this came up at the

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last meeting. Councelor Bell was the

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only one who who mentioned anything at

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the meeting. He said, you know, that

546
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,880
these are the kinds of discussions that

547
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,120
happen in in close session. Uh he was

548
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,960
very comfortable with the decisions uh

549
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:41,200
that were made based on the on the

550
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,960
conversation that happened with staff.

551
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,640
The rest of the council stayed, Mom. I

552
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,159
know you weren't at that meeting, but

553
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,559
the rest of the members of council that

554
00:27:46,159 --> 00:27:50,000
were here didn't speak to it. So, we

555
00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:51,520
don't actually know what was talked

556
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,200
about in the closed session and and the

557
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,720
rest of the members of council didn't

558
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,960
voice their opinion as to why that they

559
00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:00,240
thought that this was a good idea or a

560
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,799
bad idea. Uh so it it lends to my

561
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,520
question about transparency to the point

562
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:08,240
that on this exact agenda, you also have

563
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,720
a report coming forward uh to talk and

564
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,360
take a look at the tiny homes situation

565
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,760
on those two properties uh um that I

566
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:18,799
just mentioned on Ridge Road and Susan

567
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Street. It seems fairly presumptive to

568
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:24,080
me that uh the CEO mentioned at the last

569
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,000
meeting that there's a 120 meter radius

570
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,360
around each property. The property

571
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,360
owners need to be advised of the

572
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,960
potential for the disposition. Yet, at

573
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,640
this meeting, you have a report from

574
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,440
staff coming forward to start the

575
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,919
process of a request for information for

576
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,880
tiny homes on those locations. I think

577
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:43,760
your your cart is many miles ahead of

578
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,360
the horse on on this one already. Uh,

579
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,080
you know, another property that was not

580
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,159
discussed uh was property number 24 from

581
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,679
the council package, which is uh uh the

582
00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:53,760
Collingwood West and Parker Street

583
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:55,520
property. Uh it is a piece of property

584
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,200
that is used I know for the fall fair

585
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,520
but generally primarily just for

586
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,880
parking. It's a a one two-day event and

587
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,200
that's the only time the property gets

588
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,880
used for. It's in close proximity to

589
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:09,919
other um high residential uh areas

590
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,159
walkability to the arena to the curling

591
00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:13,440
club much closer to the downtown. I

592
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:16,159
don't understand why that property

593
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,559
wasn't looked at uh for a tiny homesuh

594
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:20,080
type of development versus properties

595
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,080
that are already zoned industrial and

596
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:27,039
are already serviced. Thank you for your

597
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:29,120
input, Darcy. Um, did I didn't hear a

598
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,960
question. Uh, you've raised many issues

599
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:35,159
and I'm sure they will be dealt with by

600
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,159
council. So, thank you.

601
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,600
» Did anyone wish to ask a public

602
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:45,039
question? Uh we've just gone on on our

603
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,840
agenda today is a review of our uh uh

604
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:50,640
our protocols and I we're going to

605
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,080
rename public questions public input so

606
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,159
that people don't have to go to the

607
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,960
trouble of framing a question because

608
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:58,880
usually that results in a speech. So

609
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,960
anyway, I just want to make people aware

610
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,559
that change may be approved today and in

611
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,559
the meantime there will be an

612
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:08,159
opportunity for people to uh ask a

613
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,600
question uh in our public meetings. Um,

614
00:30:08,159 --> 00:30:11,840
I'm going to move on to council

615
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,880
inquiries.

616
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:19,440
Any inquiries from council today?

617
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:21,279
I see none. So, uh, at this point, uh,

618
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,600
I'm going to move to item nine, motions

619
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:25,760
and bylaws for decision, and there are

620
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,080
nine matters on our consent agenda

621
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,440
today. Items in this list have been

622
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,679
before committee of the whole for

623
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,840
discussion. Council may choose to pass

624
00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:36,320
these items and/or bylaws with one

625
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,640
motion. A member may also request an

626
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,159
item or items be pulled for separate

627
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,399
consideration.

628
00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:44,320
Item A is consideration of sale and

629
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:47,039
disposition of municipal properties.

630
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,919
Item B, a commercial business occupying

631
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,600
municipal land. Item C is a special

632
00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:54,640
event licensing agreement with the

633
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:58,000
Meford Chamber of Commerce. Item D is

634
00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:02,000
2025 non-budgeted year-end transfers.

635
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:04,399
Item E is the 2025 yearend surplus. Item

636
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,320
F is to declare land surplus and

637
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:09,360
transfer ownership of Georgian Beach

638
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Lane. Item G is an addendum to the

639
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,120
inaugural meeting of the 2026 through

640
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,840
2030 term of council. Item H is to

641
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,159
finalize the procedural bylaw review and

642
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,799
item I is to pass the new procedural

643
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:24,159
bylaw. Does any counselor wish to pull

644
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:28,640
any of these items for further

645
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:30,799
discussion today? Uh councelor Bell.

646
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:34,200
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

647
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,200
Item A.

648
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:44,559
» Okay. Thank you. Uh any other uh

649
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:48,080
in that case uh we can uh take item A uh

650
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:52,000
out and um can I have a motion to

651
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,399
approve uh everything in uh item 91 with

652
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,039
the exception of A.

653
00:31:54,399 --> 00:32:02,000
Deputy mayor, a seconder, a councelor

654
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:04,240
Yurig. Any discussion? All in favor? Uh

655
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:07,360
any opposed? So that is carried

656
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,039
unanimously. Thank you very much. And uh

657
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,640
at county council, we usually come back

658
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,279
to the item that was pulled at the end

659
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,200
of the day, but I don't know as we have

660
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:17,440
to be guided by county council in this.

661
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,799
Uh so I'll defer to the clerk.

662
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,919
» Thank you, your worship. At this point,

663
00:32:18,799 --> 00:32:23,760
we would return to 9.1A

664
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:24,399
um and complete the the consent agenda

665
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,120
discussion.

666
00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:29,120
» So can I have uh a motion to uh put it

667
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,039
on the floor?

668
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,880
Councelor

669
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:35,200
Bell and a seconder councelor

670
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Greenfield. So go ahead and we'll

671
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,919
discuss this.

672
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:44,080
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

673
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:46,559
So um it is absolutely correct that when

674
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,360
this came up I did say that I felt very

675
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:52,799
comfortable with what uh council had

676
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:56,000
received from information from uh staff

677
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:58,880
pulling together a report um without

678
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,320
disclosing anything uh truly out of the

679
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,799
closed session since the general public

680
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,840
uh can obviously read the list of

681
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:14,200
properties uh they were absolutely the

682
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:14,200
properties that uh council looked at to

683
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:22,159
tell the general public.

684
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:24,799
Council received maps about what those

685
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:28,159
properties were, how big those

686
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:30,799
properties were, listed in hectares,

687
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:33,519
which I converted over to acres being a

688
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:36,320
little bit old school. took a look at

689
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,799
all of those properties that staff had

690
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,120
analyzed and looked at for development

691
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,000
or not for development.

692
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:47,120
But to be absolutely clear, as our CIO

693
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,600
had said uh to one of the questions,

694
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:52,880
there was nothing specifically on any

695
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,840
one of those properties that would have

696
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,440
said anything like, "Oh, on this

697
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,679
property, you know, there's a little

698
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,200
garden shed painted in the corner." We

699
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:03,519
we didn't read about any little garden

700
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,519
sheds. We didn't read about whether or

701
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:08,960
not there was a well that was located on

702
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:12,480
there for anybody close by put in from a

703
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:17,520
historical point of view. Um we didn't

704
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:20,320
get anything like um say from Sidenham

705
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,560
St. Vincent uh councils or the town of

706
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:27,200
Meford uh former councils what was

707
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:31,679
presented was exactly what's before us

708
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:33,839
today a series of properties which when

709
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:36,639
staff had analyzed the size of them

710
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:39,760
where they're located council got a look

711
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:43,280
at that big package we took a look at it

712
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:46,320
and I am very happy to hear uh that even

713
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,399
if uh council says this afternoon uh

714
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,679
that we will proceed on doing something

715
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:55,440
here. Um I take it then each and every

716
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,920
one of these will be sent out so that at

717
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,920
a council if there is something that's

718
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,079
going on specifically at those

719
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:06,000
properties this council can make a

720
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:08,960
decision to say uh we will for not do

721
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,440
that particular item for a very specific

722
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,079
reason but that's not this afternoon. Is

723
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,920
that clear?

724
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:18,000
» Uh thank you Mr. Mr. From here to

725
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,960
councelor Bell, that's absolutely clear.

726
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Uh there is no no decision to sell

727
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,680
dispose of at this point. It was just

728
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,839
clearly um identifying potential

729
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,000
properties that could be considered in

730
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:31,000
the future.

731
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,000
» Deputy Mayor.

732
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,520
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And just uh as

733
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960
follow up to councelor Bell's comments,

734
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,480
I just wanted to first of all thank the

735
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,119
residents that have joined us today and

736
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,280
have shared information with us because

737
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:47,119
we're we're learning as well the

738
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,520
specifics about these pieces of property

739
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:51,359
and I appreciate that the CEO is sharing

740
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,680
more about the process of how this will

741
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:57,359
go forward. So my question I think for

742
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,200
staff in the matter is if if we find out

743
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:00,880
uh issues about any of these particular

744
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,839
properties, is there an opportunity to

745
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,400
go back and review the land inventory

746
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:08,079
and and to look perhaps at other pieces

747
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,240
because we acknowledge that we did put a

748
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,640
number in the budget being fairly

749
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,480
comfortable that we could uh um

750
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,200
potentially dispose of some of these

751
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,920
pieces of land in 2026.

752
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:23,040
» Uh you Mr. Mayor to the deputy mayor.

753
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,359
Absolutely. I think you know from a from

754
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,920
a process perspective before the

755
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:30,880
municipality can actually consider

756
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:33,680
disposing lands need to be declared

757
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,000
surplus to the municipal needs. So we're

758
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,079
in the early stages council has every

759
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,440
opportunity even if you were to declare

760
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:44,079
it surplus and then afterwards you

761
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,359
decided not to sell that's council's

762
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:50,720
prerogative. um council has a land

763
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:53,200
disposition policy uh that identifies

764
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:55,680
the process to go through to potentially

765
00:36:53,200 --> 00:37:00,000
dispose of of property. So, it's very

766
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,640
very clear, but I think the public um uh

767
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,200
having the information that you know

768
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,200
even if something was declared surplus

769
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:12,720
does not force the hand of council to

770
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:14,240
dispose of it. Um this is um the

771
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:17,280
question in regards to are there other

772
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:21,119
lands. Um I think the report identified

773
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,040
that this is phase one of of the process

774
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:25,839
um throughout the entire municipality.

775
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,760
There is a number of opened and unopened

776
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:30,480
road allowances. And I say open road

777
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,200
allowances could just be because they

778
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,200
could be considered open. They're not

779
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,079
you can't use them but they've never

780
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,000
been they've never been closed. Um

781
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,760
there's a number of road allowances that

782
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,760
this next phase in 2027 will consider

783
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,160
going through a similar process to

784
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,920
identify. Are there any road allowances

785
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:54,079
that you know make sense for the

786
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:56,720
municipality to um to dispose of um

787
00:37:54,079 --> 00:38:00,000
unopen road allowances typically 66 ft

788
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:03,680
wide so they would be building lots. Um

789
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:06,480
but again um and and I'm very aware and

790
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,280
and I I really appreciate the comments

791
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,640
uh raised by the public. One thing that

792
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,040
doesn't get made any more of is land. Um

793
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:18,079
so staff is taking that very very

794
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,960
seriously. Um I will say that the

795
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:24,320
municipality will benefit from an actual

796
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,400
strategic review of the inventory to

797
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,359
then determine whether or not something

798
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,920
makes sense to sell. Um the last thing

799
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:34,400
staff wants is knee-jerk uh

800
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,640
recommendations. Um that put us in

801
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,119
positions where you know we've sell we

802
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:41,280
sell something and you know five six

803
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,760
seven years later you look and think why

804
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,839
why why would we ever have sold that? Um

805
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,880
so the intention of this is to be very

806
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:54,400
very strategic and and if there is land

807
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:56,320
that is available to sell um then uh

808
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,000
those are the recommendations that staff

809
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,079
would be coming forward with. But

810
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,920
ultimately it's a council's decision.

811
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:07,839
» If there are no further comments on

812
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:11,200
that, we should vote on uh uh the item

813
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:13,680
before us. And um I will call a

814
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:17,119
question. All in favor?

815
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:21,280
Any opposed? That is unanimous. And that

816
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:25,760
takes care of u the uh uh first item on

817
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:28,480
the uh the u consent agenda.

818
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:33,119
Uh did we vote on all the others? We

819
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:36,160
did. Right. Then that's that's good. Um

820
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:38,240
we uh also have two new items for

821
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:42,720
consideration today. Uh the

822
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:44,480
recommendation for U 92A

823
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,839
is

824
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,079
uh be it resolved that bylaw 2026-55

825
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:51,839
being a bylaw to delegate certain duties

826
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,760
respecting the implementation of the

827
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:56,000
administrative penalty system to the

828
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:59,119
director of legislative services by

829
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,760
amending bylaw 40-204

830
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:03,040
to add schedule D be taken as read a

831
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,040
first, second, and third time and

832
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,119
finally passed. Can I have a mover and

833
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:10,160
seconder for this? Councelor Greenfield

834
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,480
and Councelor Forter. Thank you. Uh any

835
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:15,599
discussion on this?

836
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,119
Go ahead, Councelor Fter.

837
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,200
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh and through

838
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:22,000
you. Um I just wanted to get a little

839
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,200
bit of clarification with regards to uh

840
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,200
something on this. I have no problem

841
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,680
with the delegated authority. Um,

842
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,240
however, with regards to delegating the

843
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,000
setting of things like penalty amounts,

844
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,160
um, I just don't really see any kind of

845
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,960
guard rails or anything like that where

846
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,240
it completely removes, um, council, uh,

847
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,920
from this. Um, so I just wanted to know,

848
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:45,520
do we consider setting the penalty

849
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,200
amounts uh, for this um, bylaw to be an

850
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,960
administrative function or more of a

851
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,280
policy function? Um because my concern

852
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,599
would be if there's any changes to the

853
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,520
penalties and we don't find about out

854
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:59,359
about it till we get our reports. There

855
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,040
could be major changes and penalties

856
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:03,200
that could be in place for several

857
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,520
months um without council not even being

858
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,520
aware of any of these changes. So just

859
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,720
curious to know how do we ensure that

860
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,560
for council we are um implementing the

861
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,640
right guard rails to make sure that

862
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,480
there is the proper level of

863
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,240
administrative function but also the

864
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,480
policy control that is ultimately

865
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,480
council's responsibility. Just looking

866
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:26,079
for some comment on that please.

867
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,440
» I'm going to go to clerk.

868
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:30,160
» Thank you worship and through to

869
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,839
councelor forer. Um Holly is not able to

870
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,079
be here today so I will try my best to

871
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:36,160
explain. Um,

872
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:38,000
initially what my my first comment would

873
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,880
be is actually the legislation provides

874
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,599
those guardrails because the um the

875
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,359
penalties can't be considered punitive

876
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,200
um and are really restricted by what's

877
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:49,920
reasonable and required to promote

878
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,400
compliance. And so our intention um

879
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,920
should council um move forward with a

880
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,599
delegated authority in this area would

881
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,839
be to set penalties that are comparable

882
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,280
to our neighbors um who have done the

883
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:01,599
benchmarking and and that would be our

884
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,839
process. Um certainly these would be

885
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:06,000
transparent penalties that would be put

886
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,240
up on the website as part of the final

887
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,560
bylaw that's posted. And so there's a

888
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,000
transparency component to that. Um all

889
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,480
members of the public should be able to

890
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,640
see that the penalties in this area. Um

891
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,240
so I I don't know if that offers uh too

892
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,680
short of an explanation, but I think

893
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:22,240
both the legislation and the

894
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,000
transparency piece um really help to

895
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:26,560
ensure everything is in line with what's

896
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:30,119
required and and reasonable in that

897
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,119
respect. Thank you.

898
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:36,319
Anyone else wish to uh speak? And I'm

899
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,319
going to call the uh vote. All in favor?

900
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:42,359
Any opposed? And that is carried

901
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:42,359
unanimously. Thank you.

902
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,599
The uh next item is uh that council of

903
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,119
the municipality of meford uh approve

904
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:54,119
heritage permit application

905
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,119
heritage-01-2026

906
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:02,319
um on 36 Psych Street South by Aowski uh

907
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,800
with the following conditions. One, that

908
00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:07,280
the final materials and colors to be of

909
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,680
to the satisfaction of planning staff.

910
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,079
Two, that the brick facade be conserved

911
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,839
and retained as proposed.

912
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:16,079
osed with new brick materials to be

913
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:17,760
integrated with the original brick.

914
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,520
Three, that any future signage be

915
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,680
subject to applicable sign bylaw

916
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,599
requirements. And four, that the works

917
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200
generally conform to the plans and

918
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,200
renderings submitted with the

919
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,760
application. Can I have a mover and

920
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,400
seconder, please? Moved by councelor,

921
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,560
seconded by councelor Andis. Very good.

922
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,280
Um, discussion,

923
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:40,280
questions. I'll start with councelor

924
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,280
Greenfield.

925
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:46,480
Thank you, Marshall. Um, well, when I

926
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:49,680
first started reading through this

927
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,520
report, I I was uh quite uh quite

928
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:59,119
enthused by the uh the renovations and

929
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:03,359
the uh the upgrades. I uh uh

930
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:07,040
picked up on the uh use of uh more

931
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:11,920
traditional line masonry to do any uh uh

932
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:14,160
masonry repairs. and uh uh putting in

933
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,480
the middle window again brings it back

934
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:21,680
to uh I think a a very attractive, very

935
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,319
acceptable storefront.

936
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:27,280
However,

937
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:29,599
then I got down to looking at the

938
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:33,920
entrance way

939
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:39,280
and I saw two steps

940
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:43,680
and I would be remiss if I did not bring

941
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:46,480
up the accessibility problems here.

942
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Um,

943
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,200
I know I'm

944
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,880
been beating this drum often in the past

945
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,720
few years and I'm going to beat it

946
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:59,680
again. This is a this is an opportunity.

947
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,440
Yes, it will

948
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,599
cost

949
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,400
the manager, the owner of this operation

950
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,640
more money. But there's an opportunity

951
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:13,440
here to recess that doorway, create a

952
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,599
ramp, make this

953
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:21,000
facility

954
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:21,000
um accessible. I I'm just

955
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:28,400
I endorse the heritage features trying

956
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:31,839
to maintain them. I I'm 100% for that.

957
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,040
But when it comes to accessibility, why

958
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:37,680
can't we collaborate and cooperate the

959
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,319
two of them together when something like

960
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,960
this comes forward? We're we're missing

961
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:46,160
an opportunity here.

962
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:48,160
And we've missed it in other areas too.

963
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:50,160
We're supposedly a community of

964
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000
well-being

965
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:56,960
uh

966
00:45:52,000 --> 00:46:01,359
accepting everyone regardless of their

967
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:04,000
physical needs. And here's an example

968
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:06,240
where we're not not doing that or at

969
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:09,119
least I I don't see it in this

970
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:11,440
application. So

971
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:14,319
that's where I'm at. uh your worship. Uh

972
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,880
as I say, other than that, I'm I'm quite

973
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:19,599
all right with it, but I I I have to

974
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,160
mention this and and this is the the

975
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:25,839
accessibility issue to our downtown

976
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:30,160
businesses is not getting better.

977
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:31,520
We have opportunities to help and we're

978
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,720
ignoring them.

979
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
» Okay. Thank you.

980
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,000
» Thank you for that passionate,

981
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:40,560
deservedly passionate comment. Um, does

982
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,440
anyone want to respond to that or at

983
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,920
least speak to

984
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,359
Yeah, let's call on staff here to uh

985
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,560
help us out a bit.

986
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:52,400
» Hi there. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so

987
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,800
that is something that the heritage

988
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,560
advisory committee did bring up um at

989
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:00,079
their meeting for this application as

990
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:01,760
well. Um and so our standpoint is that

991
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,839
when someone applies for a heritage

992
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:09,599
permit application,

993
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:12,720
um we c we can require them to uh keep

994
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:15,200
or upkeep the steps in as good condition

995
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:16,720
as they can. Um if they were submitting

996
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,280
a building permit application to

997
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:21,200
renovate Jake Scrapand Go restaurant,

998
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,240
then that's something where AODDA

999
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:27,359
compliance could come into effect. Um if

1000
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:31,119
it's council's wishes, we could amend

1001
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:34,000
um the recommendation. Um but from from

1002
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:36,480
the planning staff perspective, uh we

1003
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,720
would just require them to maintain

1004
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,520
those steps in as good condition as they

1005
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,200
can.

1006
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,720
What I don't understand is that I

1007
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,880
thought that we're well past the

1008
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:50,960
deadline for u um

1009
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:53,680
structural changes to provide

1010
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:57,119
accessibility and I I don't understand

1011
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,520
why uh the proponent isn't isn't

1012
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:04,680
required uh in some way to conform to

1013
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,680
the provincial legislation. Am I wrong?

1014
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:12,513
Uh if I may your worship, um the trigger

1015
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,640
to uh make something like a door, excuse

1016
00:48:12,513 --> 00:48:16,640
[clears throat] me, accessible really

1017
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,240
only comes up on under the Ontario

1018
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:22,400
building code when specific

1019
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:24,640
modifications are being made. So, um

1020
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,720
existing B business owners aren't

1021
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:29,280
compelled to make accessibility

1022
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:33,040
improvements unless they're already

1023
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:35,200
altering that item. So, for example,

1024
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,520
removing a washroom and and replacing it

1025
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,680
or renovating, then the new the replaced

1026
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,240
version would have to meet accessibility

1027
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:45,520
standards. I'd look to a facilities

1028
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:49,359
expert um to to help me out there, but

1029
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,240
um really they would have to be altering

1030
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:55,119
the entrance um for us to be able to

1031
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:57,200
trigger under the code an accessibility

1032
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:58,480
um improvement, if that makes sense.

1033
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,920
» I'm going to ask other members of

1034
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,319
council to weigh in here for their

1035
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,839
opinion. I'll come back to you after

1036
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:05,680
everyone's spoken and I'm going to start

1037
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:07,680
with councelor Yurig.

1038
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,680
» Thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you

1039
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,720
councelor Greenfield for bringing up.

1040
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:15,359
We're all extremely sympathetic to um

1041
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,760
AODA standards and would love to see

1042
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:19,920
more in the downtown h have that happen.

1043
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,720
I guess my question is the obviously the

1044
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,400
logistics of it because I'm presuming if

1045
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,480
that was looking at the diagram or at

1046
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,480
the picture if that was going to happen

1047
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,160
it obviously can't shut out forward.

1048
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,960
have to be side and the and the gradient

1049
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:37,200
of any ramp has to be fairly long

1050
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:40,400
obviously to accommodate the uh

1051
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:44,079
standard. Is there room even to do that

1052
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,920
on that building? Um because it's then

1053
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,680
going to jut into the driveway to the

1054
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,440
part of it or to the left it's going to

1055
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,200
be the building. So has it even been

1056
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,880
looked into to determine whether or not

1057
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:58,599
a ramp would even be able to manage to

1058
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,599
work in that environment?

1059
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,040
um through your worship. Uh I think that

1060
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:09,200
you've just pointed out sort of the the

1061
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:13,119
catch, right? Um while we all um hold um

1062
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:15,520
accessibility um and heritage to a high

1063
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:17,920
standard and high importance, uh in a

1064
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,240
historic downtown like ours, space is

1065
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,960
very limited and the existing sort of

1066
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:26,240
logistics really really tend to to come

1067
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:30,640
into play. So, um the applicant in this

1068
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:33,440
case hasn't uh applied to to alter their

1069
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,160
um their entrance. So, we can't compel

1070
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,200
them to do so. Again, uh even though we

1071
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:41,680
do really prioritize accessibility. So,

1072
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,599
um looking forward to our our new CIP

1073
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,359
coming into force and effect so that we

1074
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:49,440
can um help add um you know funds to to

1075
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:51,520
help incentivize those changes because

1076
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,440
again in these historic buildings those

1077
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:56,400
represent significant potentially

1078
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,920
significant changes. So um I think

1079
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,359
you've you've hit the nail on the head

1080
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,520
there.

1081
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:04,319
» So that sort of truncates discussion

1082
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,000
unless somebody let's hear what you have

1083
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:08,720
to say anyway and councelor Renis.

1084
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,960
» Thank you. Um

1085
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:16,079
yeah, I I complet um I completely

1086
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,359
uh sympathize uh with with with with the

1087
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:21,520
idea. Um I worry that at this point we

1088
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:24,240
don't have the structures in place to be

1089
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:26,640
able to enforce something that large on

1090
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,760
uh what is essentially the update of you

1091
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,200
know in in appearance. Um so and that's

1092
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,640
essentially what I'm hearing from. we're

1093
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,440
not getting into like structural

1094
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:38,160
building, but I do think that there

1095
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:41,040
might be the opportunity then for future

1096
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,440
discussions to require accessibility

1097
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,680
requ uh

1098
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,640
or accessibility considerations to be

1099
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:51,839
part of our heritage permitting process.

1100
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,079
Um I've been to had the fortune to be in

1101
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:58,319
other parts of the world and uh take

1102
00:51:54,079 --> 00:52:00,559
courses uh designed around um how to

1103
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:04,000
include uh various forms of physical

1104
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:06,400
disability um in in some locations that

1105
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,520
have been built on for at this point a

1106
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,720
thousand years and in cultures where

1107
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,079
heritage is extremely important.

1108
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,400
and they've come up with some very

1109
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:20,400
creative solutions uh around the world

1110
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:23,040
to make very historical buildings uh

1111
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,960
meet modern accessibility standards. I

1112
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,400
presume that maybe their larger

1113
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,000
government tax structures are different

1114
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,920
and allow for that so that a small

1115
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,160
municipality could apply for money to be

1116
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,920
able to do that. But looking at this

1117
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,680
building on Google Maps right now on

1118
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,800
street view, I'm seeing that for

1119
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,640
example, uh the spa next door is kind of

1120
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,400
more at grade and then the building kind

1121
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,359
of comes across and the sidewalk drops

1122
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,880
down making that adding a step uh just

1123
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:48,880
from one front door to the the

1124
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,040
neighboring front door. And I've seen a

1125
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,960
solution where essentially the ramp is

1126
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,640
added along the front of the building.

1127
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,079
Um you know, in this case it might be a

1128
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,440
little need to be more creative because

1129
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:00,400
there's a door to the apartments above

1130
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:03,920
it seems. But um there are solutions uh

1131
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,880
to to be able to do that. Um

1132
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,440
so if we're when we you know maybe maybe

1133
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,880
for the next council maybe we included

1134
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,000
in our recommendations for the next

1135
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,920
council to make that a part of our

1136
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,680
heritage permitting because heritage

1137
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,760
buildings are going to be inaccessible

1138
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,599
pro most likely and so if anyone's going

1139
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,240
to be doing any work on them at all we

1140
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,440
should be requiring this.

1141
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,680
» Thank you. This is very valuable

1142
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,720
contribution. Councelor Bell, was your

1143
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:33,520
hand up?

1144
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:35,520
Councelor Bell. No. Okay, fine. Sorry.

1145
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,680
Um, Deputy Mayor, and then I'll go back

1146
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,960
to Councelor Greenfield.

1147
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,480
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I

1148
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,240
appreciate the discussion. I was going

1149
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,079
to mention accessibility, but Harley did

1150
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:46,079
it much more descriptively than I ever

1151
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,640
could. So, I'm glad we're addressing

1152
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,040
this for this particular building. Um,

1153
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,960
I'm wondering in relation to the steps,

1154
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,839
because I appreciate the challenge that

1155
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,960
we face with them. Um, is there a

1156
00:53:55,839 --> 00:54:01,599
potential for us to require a temporary

1157
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,440
ramp that could be just, you know, set

1158
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:05,359
down if someone wanted to enter the

1159
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,839
business who required that with a

1160
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:10,160
walker, wheelchair, whatever the concern

1161
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:11,760
might be, something that just could be

1162
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,319
brought out of the business, set down

1163
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,000
over the steps on that very temporary

1164
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:18,559
basis so that individual could get in

1165
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:22,240
and out. Are we allowed to require

1166
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:25,240
anything of that nature?

1167
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,240
Sure.

1168
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:34,480
Um through you, Mr. Mayor. Um that's a a

1169
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:36,000
good solution on a temporary basis. Um I

1170
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,480
think staff would need to look into

1171
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,440
those required clearances for sidewalk

1172
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,359
as well. I believe it's 1.5 m of

1173
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:47,920
clearance is required and I'm not too

1174
00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:49,839
sure um how it would affect um how large

1175
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:52,079
the ramp would need to be and if we

1176
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:55,599
would maintain that required walking

1177
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:57,200
clearance on the sidewalk as well. Um

1178
00:54:55,599 --> 00:55:01,079
but it's something that staff could

1179
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,079
could look into further.

1180
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,440
» Go ahead councelor Greenfield. Thanks

1181
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:09,280
again and your worship and thank you

1182
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:11,839
Helina and uh uh director K uh for your

1183
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,720
comments and I

1184
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:18,640
um you know first of all I I I know this

1185
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:24,400
is a

1186
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:28,559
a difficult storefront to to do uh uh

1187
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:31,839
a lot of things with. When I mention a

1188
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:36,559
ramp, I the AODDA

1189
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:39,440
ramps are a mile long and I wasn't

1190
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:42,880
really thinking about that. I I was

1191
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:46,240
thinking about, okay, we'd have to take

1192
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:48,799
a recessed doorway and a lot a number of

1193
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:50,640
our heritage buildings did have recessed

1194
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:55,520
entranceways.

1195
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:58,520
um a ramp of even a steeper

1196
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,520
grade.

1197
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:04,799
Someone could

1198
00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:07,200
push someone in a wheelchair up into the

1199
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:10,000
building or someone with a walker I

1200
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:13,040
think could get up into it. They can't

1201
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:16,559
do that with those two steps.

1202
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,559
Um, going back to I I don't understand

1203
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:22,480
why the community improvement plan and

1204
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:24,640
accessibility are not directly tied. Uh,

1205
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:28,240
like I think any community improvement

1206
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:30,079
plan uh grant or loan application that

1207
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:33,359
comes forward

1208
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,119
if if they have accessibility features

1209
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:37,920
to them, they should there should be a

1210
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:41,200
an asterct right behind it saying, "Hey,

1211
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:45,200
this is this is special. this is uh this

1212
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:48,480
is one one vote for your uh uh for your

1213
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,960
application and I don't think we've done

1214
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,400
that in the past and to me in the future

1215
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,599
it's uh it's essential. So okay I've

1216
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,139
made my point. Thank you. Thanks. And

1217
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:02,079
I'm just going to add that

1218
00:56:59,139 --> 00:57:04,799
[clears throat] uh I've seen uh many u

1219
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:08,000
facade improvements take place in our

1220
00:57:04,799 --> 00:57:11,599
downtown core with no sympathy for the

1221
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:14,160
heritage of our heritage district. So,

1222
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:19,680
uh I want to compliment the uh proponent

1223
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:22,319
here for u uh thinking about how um a

1224
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,040
part especially that block of uh of

1225
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:27,680
psych street which is you know not as

1226
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,359
built up and has more you know diverse

1227
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,599
buildings on it. It's nice to see

1228
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:34,480
something that salutes heritage in

1229
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:36,400
meford and uh I want to congratulate him

1230
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,319
and uh I'm going to call the vote. All

1231
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,599
in favor?

1232
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:44,400
Any opposed? That is carried unanimously

1233
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:47,920
and now we can move uh into committee of

1234
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:50,799
the whole at 155. Uh could I have a

1235
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,680
mover and seconder? Deputy mayor and

1236
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:57,559
councelor Yuri. Thank you very much. And

1237
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,559
the first item is

1238
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,559
um under library services that committee

1239
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,240
of the whole receive report library

1240
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:07,599
2026-01

1241
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,599
mered public library annual report 2025

1242
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:11,280
for information purposes. And I'm going

1243
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,799
to turn the microphone over to uh to

1244
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,880
Lynn CEO. Thank you.

1245
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:19,760
» Thank you. Move and second. We didn't do

1246
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,200
that. Moved by councelor for seconded by

1247
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:25,599
councelor Andis. Thank you very much.

1248
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:27,920
All in favor? Oh go. Okay. Boy after

1249
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:32,240
four years if [laughter]

1250
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,960
I pity my follower. Okay. Uh go ahead

1251
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,040
and

1252
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,280
» Thank you so much. Uh, thank you. Your

1253
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,280
worship, deputy mayor, counselors,

1254
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,319
including the M meford public library

1255
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,559
board, council reps, GR, uh, councilors

1256
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:47,280
Greenfield and Forer,

1257
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:50,480
uh, and M, my municipal colleagues for

1258
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,559
the opportunity for Chair Grafton and I

1259
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:55,520
to present the Meford Public Library

1260
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,680
2025 annual report.

1261
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,599
The annual report supports transparency

1262
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:02,079
and promotes knowledge of the importance

1263
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:04,400
of the Meford Public Library within our

1264
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:08,720
community and helps to clarify what

1265
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:11,280
we've spent, what we do, why we do it,

1266
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,520
and how we do it. Uh, it takes a village

1267
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,000
to run the Meford Public Library from

1268
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:19,599
from council right on down to our valued

1269
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,240
users who supply great feedback to their

1270
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:24,880
public library. Uh Mephford Public

1271
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,520
Library celebrates 100 years uh this

1272
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,480
year in 2026. Uh but the building will

1273
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,960
be 6 years old, believe it or not, uh on

1274
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:35,520
November 20th. Uh so we thank our

1275
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,839
facilities manager, Steve Burgess, and

1276
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,960
his dedicated team for keeping the

1277
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:42,480
building in shape both inside and out.

1278
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,640
And we also would like to thank the

1279
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,119
parks and recreation uh department and

1280
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,960
their wonderful garden volunteer uh who

1281
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,599
helps keep the parkquette and the

1282
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,480
surrounding gardens in order

1283
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:58,160
uh for for our story times, our library

1284
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,640
programs and the public to enjoy. I'd

1285
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,040
like to introduce uh Chair Kim uh Kim

1286
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:06,760
Grafton uh our board chair who would

1287
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,760
like to say a few words.

1288
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:20,160
Good afternoon, Mayor Kentner, Deputy

1289
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:23,119
Mayor Shirley Keveny, counselors, fellow

1290
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:26,240
board members on council, and town

1291
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:28,640
municipal staff. Welcome to the annual

1292
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,799
report of the Meford Public Library. As

1293
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,599
chair of the library board, it is a

1294
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:36,079
pleasure to be celebrating a 100red

1295
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,359
years of library service in our

1296
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,960
community.

1297
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:40,799
I would like to take a moment to

1298
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,280
acknowledge the contribution of my

1299
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:47,680
fellow Meifford Public Library board

1300
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,319
members, our library CEO, Lynn Fasnado,

1301
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:52,480
and our great library team. Their

1302
01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:54,640
innovative leadership provides a public

1303
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,480
space that creates opportunities for

1304
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,280
people of all ages to learn,

1305
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:01,520
collaborate, and connect. Community

1306
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,720
partnerships are essential to our

1307
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,640
success and we again welcomed financial

1308
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,760
support from the friends of the Meford

1309
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Library, the Rotary Club, individual

1310
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,119
donors, the Municipality of Meford

1311
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,280
Council, the province of Ontario through

1312
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:20,720
the Ministry of Tourism and Culture and

1313
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:23,440
Gaming, and the Ontario Library Service.

1314
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:25,359
And I would like to just bring to your

1315
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,040
attention

1316
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:32,480
some of that sponsorship.

1317
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:34,240
During the budget process this year, uh

1318
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,119
there was some discussion about the

1319
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:40,640
library seeking sponsorship

1320
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:43,280
and I would like to bring to your

1321
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:46,720
attention that the Meford Public Library

1322
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,640
has benefited from sponsorship for many

1323
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,559
years from the Friends of the Meford

1324
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:53,359
Library as well as the Rotary Club of

1325
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,440
Meford. The Rotary Club sponsored

1326
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:58,640
equipment and licensing for the youth

1327
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:01,119
area in our new library, as well as for

1328
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,040
Wi-Fi routers, which is ongoing to this

1329
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:05,599
day.

1330
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:09,920
The Friends of the Meford Library have

1331
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:13,920
supported us since 1994.

1332
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:19,000
This year alone, they sponsored our

1333
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:19,000
library to a tune of $31,159.89.

1334
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,960
Their financial support doubles the

1335
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:29,520
funding available for programming.

1336
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:32,960
It enables author events and enhances

1337
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:36,000
services and resources. In our budget,

1338
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:39,200
we have $3,500

1339
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,160
each for our children's programming and

1340
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:44,480
our adult programming.

1341
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:49,000
The Friends of the Mayford Library

1342
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,000
provide an additional $3,11566

1343
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:56,880
for the children's program and $5,278

1344
01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:00,240
for adult programs. And that's just a

1345
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:03,040
small portion of that $31,000.

1346
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:06,040
In essence, they double our budget for

1347
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,040
programming.

1348
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,880
We have major sponsorship. We have had

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,440
within our community the support from

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01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,280
these organizations and they greatly

1351
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,559
enhance the services and programs that

1352
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,640
would not exist without them. And I just

1353
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,640
want to take that opportunity to

1354
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:27,520
reinforce that that we already have

1355
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,039
sponsorship and and it is very

1356
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,359
important.

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01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,920
We also welcome partnerships from local

1358
01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:36,160
cultural and economic stakeholders who

1359
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:38,319
helped contribute to the diverse mix of

1360
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,920
programming that included life

1361
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:45,200
directions, the YMCA of Owen Sound,

1362
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,440
bright shores, adult learning center. We

1363
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,240
have elder law series, income tax

1364
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:52,240
clinics, gardener and residence series,

1365
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:55,440
and the ever popular story time

1366
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:58,160
sessions, STEM and craft events for

1367
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:01,039
youth and teens, author events, book

1368
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:05,280
clubs, puzzle exchanges, just to name a

1369
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:08,720
few. An average of 65 programs a month

1370
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:11,039
for all ages. And I would also like to

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01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:16,240
just hold so that everything doesn't

1372
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:19,599
pull off. This is for July and August.

1373
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:22,880
This alone is our children's programming

1374
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:26,000
Monday to Sunday. And every day there

1375
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,599
are four to five programs running. And

1376
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,079
that's that's just a quick little

1377
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:32,720
snapshot. And again, that's just our

1378
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:35,280
youth programs. Our adult programs are

1379
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:38,400
also running concurrent to this. So our

1380
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:41,200
library provides a very valuable space

1381
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,760
in our community

1382
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:46,079
and a vast array of resources await at

1383
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:49,680
the library from fishing rods, room

1384
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:52,799
rentals to tech help. The meford public

1385
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,520
library was featured in the January 2025

1386
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:57,599
edition of connecting the sound magazine

1387
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:01,760
in an article entitled the little

1388
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:05,200
library that could. 100 years in Meford

1389
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,160
Public Library is a shining example of a

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,400
hub of learning, care, and connection. A

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:13,280
space where everyone can belong and it

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01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,960
enables our community to thrive. And I

1393
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:18,640
would like to take a moment just to read

1394
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:21,920
a little excerpt. And this is from a

1395
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:24,799
library patron involved in our writing

1396
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,559
circle program at the library. And I'm

1397
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:29,119
not going to read it all. It is on I

1398
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:33,119
believe available if you wanted to read.

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01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:36,000
But I just I love her her her story here

1400
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:38,079
and this is a short excerpt out of it. I

1401
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,240
now have the time in my winter chapter

1402
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:43,920
to explore more which brings me great

1403
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:46,240
joy. This Meford library is new to me

1404
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:50,079
and its offerings have awakened,

1405
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:52,960
enriched, fed and nurtured my current

1406
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:55,599
curiosities and I love to enter its

1407
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:58,640
sliding doors to again lead me to a

1408
01:05:55,599 --> 01:06:01,200
world of topics that tickle my fancy.

1409
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:03,119
Such a joyous feeling

1410
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,359
likened to wanting more and more of a

1411
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:08,240
favorite bon bon.

1412
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:11,039
Hail to the library. May it remain a

1413
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:14,160
place of community and learning for all.

1414
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:16,079
And that just tickles my fancy that uh

1415
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,319
someone wrote about the library in a

1416
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:20,640
program at our library sponsored by our

1417
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:23,200
library.

1418
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:26,319
The coming year holds a promise of new

1419
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,440
programs and exciting events. With

1420
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:32,240
municipal elections this fall, there

1421
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,559
will be a change in our board. I have

1422
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,039
served on the last eight years and it

1423
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:39,039
has been an honor and a privilege to

1424
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:42,559
serve on this board and work with our

1425
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:46,799
amazing library team. I can't say enough

1426
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:49,039
at the energy, the love that they put

1427
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:52,760
into everything that they do there. They

1428
01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:52,760
go above and beyond.

1429
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:56,720
There's been some wonderful milestones.

1430
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:00,000
As Lynn mentioned, we're coming up to

1431
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:02,400
six years on our new library, and it is

1432
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,559
just such a shining example in our

1433
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,400
community of of what we can do when we

1434
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,960
all collaborate

1435
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:12,079
to do the right thing.

1436
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:14,240
I will be sad to be leaving the board,

1437
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:19,280
but I hope that the many gains that we

1438
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:21,839
have made and all the wonderful assets

1439
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:25,319
continue to be used, enjoyed, and thrive

1440
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:25,319
in our community.

1441
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,559
we say it's a little hard. It's that's I

1442
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:32,640
value our library very very much and our

1443
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:38,280
board has been a wonderful board that

1444
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:38,280
has been very uh very

1445
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:44,160
passionate about how and what we do.

1446
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,640
I would like to thank my fellow board

1447
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:49,119
members, our staff

1448
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,200
and council for your investment in our

1449
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:53,359
library which continues to be the

1450
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:56,480
cornerstone of the social infrastructure

1451
01:07:53,359 --> 01:07:58,559
in our community. I have enjoyed working

1452
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,799
and learning alongside our amazing team

1453
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:03,839
of staff and more board members for the

1454
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:07,200
last eight years and wish that the

1455
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:10,799
future of our library continues to be a

1456
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:14,520
happy and prosperous one.

1457
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:14,520
turn back to L.

1458
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,440
» Thank you so much, Chair Grafton, for

1459
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,440
those kind words. And Chair Grafton has

1460
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:28,000
worked diligently as well these last

1461
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:30,560
eight years to uh make the Meford Public

1462
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,400
Library the place to be. Plus, she works

1463
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,960
very hard on the ministerial library

1464
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,960
board as well.

1465
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:43,159
I don't know what to say after all of

1466
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:43,159
that.

1467
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:47,920
Um, going over to our report. Um, the

1468
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,000
first thing that we do is our vision and

1469
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,400
mission statement. Uh, everything we do

1470
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,799
at Meford Public Library fall under

1471
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,560
these two very important statements as

1472
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:59,679
found in the Meford Public Library

1473
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,000
strategic plan 2022. Plus, uh, the

1474
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:04,239
board's strategic plan is also in

1475
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:07,040
influenced by council's strategic

1476
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:11,199
priorities. uh helping to ensure that we

1477
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:15,319
have similar visions for our users um

1478
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:15,319
and members of our community.

1479
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,400
Next page are our revenues.

1480
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:28,159
I wanted to mention that the donation

1481
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:30,960
lines of $11,252

1482
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:33,040
uh these include uh individual donations

1483
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,600
uh donate uh monies collected from

1484
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:38,640
donation bids bins around the located

1485
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,759
around the library and uh also from uh

1486
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:45,279
the me sorry the friends of the meford

1487
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:49,040
library uh donations. uh the friends pay

1488
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:50,880
for li uh library items uh usually to um

1489
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:53,679
they make a check out to the to the

1490
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:57,760
library to cover the costs. Uh this is

1491
01:09:53,679 --> 01:09:59,520
why uh and this revenue line is only

1492
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,760
11,252

1493
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,679
whereas on page 7 uh the we and as chair

1494
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:08,480
uh Grafton has mentioned that they

1495
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:10,719
donated over $31,000 of items to the

1496
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:13,520
library in 2025. And the reason this

1497
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:15,280
donation line is uh smaller is because

1498
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,840
those are the ones that uh we have

1499
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,960
purchased as staff and the friends have

1500
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:24,320
reimbursed us. So uh fees and charges of

1501
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:27,760
$78.99. These include printing, faxing,

1502
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:30,080
scanning, proctoring fees, uh late fees,

1503
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:33,199
uh lost and damaged items and that type

1504
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:35,440
of uh information. Uh interl loan

1505
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:38,080
postage rebate. uh we get an annual

1506
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:40,719
rebate from the Ontario Library Service

1507
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,560
for postage uh to ship books to uh

1508
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:47,440
within to other libraries within the

1509
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:50,000
province. And in 2025 we shipped out 772

1510
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:53,679
books to other libraries and we received

1511
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,880
for our patrons who um who uh looked for

1512
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:59,280
books within the system 787

1513
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:01,920
u books came in. uh the programming

1514
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:04,080
revenues of 1625. These are revenues

1515
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:06,640
generated to cover costs of our

1516
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:08,800
programming um that are not covered

1517
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,000
either through our budget or through the

1518
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:13,280
friends of the ME for library

1519
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,600
sponsorship. Uh room rentals uh these

1520
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,440
are fees collected for room bookings uh

1521
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,239
for businesses and for-profit

1522
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:23,360
organizations. Uh public library

1523
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:26,000
operating grant of 23935

1524
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,120
uh which has not changed in over 30

1525
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,800
years. that is uh comes to us every year

1526
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,440
from the Ministry of Tourism, Culture

1527
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,960
and Gaming, which is the the uh ministry

1528
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,679
responsible for Ontario Public

1529
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,480
Libraries. And I just wanted to also

1530
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:42,000
mention that the special events uh the

1531
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:44,159
11,000

1532
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:46,719
plus that we uh were from the Allen

1533
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:49,600
Doyle event of last October, it was a

1534
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:52,320
sellout, so it uh created uh some good

1535
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,760
revenues for the Meford Library. And we

1536
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,960
received uh from the Ministry of

1537
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,440
Tourism, Culture, and Gaming in 2025 the

1538
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,520
uh summer experience uh opportunities

1539
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:04,520
grant for our summer student last

1540
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,520
summer.

1541
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:14,560
Here we go. Um expenses. We've uh any

1542
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:17,040
expenses that have uh the FOM supported

1543
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,425
brackets uh next to it indicates that

1544
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,120
the FOML um have contributed

1545
01:12:19,425 --> 01:12:22,960
[clears throat] items in this category

1546
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,440
of expenses.

1547
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:29,360
Uh advertising uh these are expenses

1548
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,440
such as ads and any MPL logo uh items

1549
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,840
that we have such as tote bags and thank

1550
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:37,440
you cards and that kind of thing. Um

1551
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:41,120
that was 500 uh sorry that was $631 last

1552
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:44,239
year. Uh association fees are for

1553
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,800
Ontario Library um association

1554
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:48,400
memberships for both board and staff. Uh

1555
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,640
these memberships are important because

1556
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:54,320
they uh give us a heck of a discount on

1557
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:56,320
our uh um on our uh courses that we take

1558
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:00,320
through the OA to improve our library

1559
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:02,080
services. We also um spend money on the

1560
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,400
Ontario Municipal Public Library

1561
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,960
Organization and the Federation of

1562
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:09,360
Ontario Public Libraries um and also

1563
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,920
something called access copyright and

1564
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:14,159
that is a license to enable public

1565
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:17,199
libraries to uh have the public and

1566
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:21,840
staff uh photocopy uh various items with

1567
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:24,320
that uh uh that we do as a service.

1568
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:27,600
Uh books is our capital item. We spent

1569
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:29,280
last year $36,417.

1570
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,840
Um, and that's just not for books.

1571
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:34,560
That's also for movies and also uh

1572
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:37,679
barcodes for items, any circulation bags

1573
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,480
to uh to enable uh something to

1574
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:43,199
circulate and book repair items, cover

1575
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:46,400
jackets, that kind of thing. Um, the

1576
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:48,320
clothing is for staff logo clothing, PPE

1577
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:50,400
like silicon gloves and also sun

1578
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,480
sunscreen, which is very important for

1579
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,600
uh staff to wear when we go on um

1580
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:57,520
outreach. uh outside are e resources.

1581
01:13:55,600 --> 01:14:00,239
They're heavily sponsored by the Ontario

1582
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:03,679
Library Service. Uh these include Libby,

1583
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:06,560
Ancestry, Mango, World Book, Novelist.

1584
01:14:03,679 --> 01:14:09,840
Um and uh we also spend on our own and

1585
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,679
we have non-sponsored um e- resources

1586
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,719
called Biblio and Hoopla. Those are

1587
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:18,159
downloading movie and book services. And

1588
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:21,440
uh we pay that. We don't have a u the

1589
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:23,679
opportunity for a uh discount in those

1590
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:26,480
but these are all renewed annually as

1591
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:29,679
well and our events uh was our signature

1592
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:32,239
author event uh for Alan Doyle which was

1593
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:33,760
sponsored um the booking at the hall was

1594
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:36,080
sponsored by the friends of the meford

1595
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:38,080
library uh facilities maintenance this

1596
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,480
is the amount spent by our by our

1597
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:43,760
manager to maintain the building hydro

1598
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:45,520
heat water cleaning etc and um the cost

1599
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,280
of the debenture for the new library

1600
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,480
building is also included in that

1601
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:54,000
amount. Uh information technology uh

1602
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:56,159
large budgeted by our IT department uh

1603
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:59,199
this includes Wi-Fi, all computers,

1604
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:01,600
software um that runs them, public and

1605
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:05,040
staff networks, photocopy machines,

1606
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:08,400
phones, internet backups, email, etc. We

1607
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:10,719
could not uh function uh without our IT

1608
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:12,719
uh people. So, thank you to Mark Ian and

1609
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:15,120
his team. uh the library computer

1610
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:17,040
hardware software line. Uh that's uh

1611
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:19,520
staff also purchase our own hardware

1612
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:22,159
soft software that run outside of the IT

1613
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,560
department. Uh these are things such as

1614
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:27,600
um our inter our integrated library

1615
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:31,040
system Koha. Uh our the catalog book uh

1616
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:33,280
carousel that's on our um catalog

1617
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:36,320
librarian which runs our public access

1618
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:38,239
computers. uh all the RFID licenses that

1619
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,719
run our alarm system and our inventory

1620
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:42,400
system, our Zoom Chromebook software,

1621
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:43,600
and everything's renewed annually as

1622
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:47,040
well. That's why you'll see it every

1623
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,960
year uh on on the budget estimates. Uh

1624
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,600
other expenses, they include staff

1625
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,960
items. Uh uh uh Friends of Meford

1626
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,199
Library purchased uh the 2500 U

1627
01:15:54,960 --> 01:16:00,080
membership cards from that line last

1628
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:02,960
year. They also uh bought Nintendo games

1629
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:06,000
for us in 2025. These games are quite

1630
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:09,679
expensive. So, we um we look at them to

1631
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,679
help us uh keep that uh inventory fresh.

1632
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:13,840
Uh we also purchased a square terminal.

1633
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:16,719
Thank goodness, now we have debit at the

1634
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:19,920
library. Uh we also uh bought a new

1635
01:16:16,719 --> 01:16:21,920
collar printer um and a summer student

1636
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,760
desk for our summer student in our staff

1637
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,360
office, which we never had, and we

1638
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,760
bought those from individual uh

1639
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:30,560
donations in 2025.

1640
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:33,520
uh programming out of the 7,000 budgeted

1641
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,960
yearly for all programming. This is uh

1642
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,880
heavily sponsored by the friends of the

1643
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:39,440
Meford Library and we couldn't offer the

1644
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:42,480
same quality and quantity of programming

1645
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:44,320
without their support. Um and the

1646
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:46,480
expenses also include the Owens Sound

1647
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,880
and North Union Public Library annual

1648
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:53,440
cost for library services which was a

1649
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:56,480
little over I think 154 last year 158476

1650
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:59,040
sorry about that. And um of course the

1651
01:16:56,480 --> 01:17:02,360
largest expense would be the salaries

1652
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,360
and benefits.

1653
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,040
Um as chair Grafton had mentioned about

1654
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:11,440
the uh friends of the meford library

1655
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:14,400
this year in the report we added uh an

1656
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:15,440
extra page uh just uh to highlight uh

1657
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,320
everything that the friends of the

1658
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:20,000
meford library have bought for us. uh

1659
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,199
because uh just looking at numbers on a

1660
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:24,560
spreadsheet doesn't really give you the

1661
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:26,320
the true uh idea of what they do for us.

1662
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:28,239
And in fact, the if you go down to the

1663
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:31,679
netshed, they've got this uh page

1664
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:33,679
highlighted uh uh in in the uh netshed

1665
01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:36,480
for the public to see where the money

1666
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:38,400
that they um that they buy used

1667
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,040
generally used books for goes to within

1668
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,800
the the year. Uh they buy hard copy

1669
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:45,360
newspapers, Globe and Mail, Toronto

1670
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,199
Star, Meford Independent. These are read

1671
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,600
daily and our beautiful living room area

1672
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:52,080
of the library. Uh this old school form

1673
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:54,159
of information is still going strong and

1674
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,719
and it's a welcomed addition to

1675
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:59,280
ourformational resources. If we uh

1676
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:00,800
forget to pick up the newspapers, uh we

1677
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,080
will have a patron with five minutes

1678
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,679
asking where they are. So we have to

1679
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,080
pick them up at Rexel. They come in

1680
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:08,480
through there. Uh the TD summer reading

1681
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,800
program, it gets a great boost by the

1682
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:13,280
friends supplying uh fantastic prizes

1683
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:15,760
for participants. Uh it's great to read,

1684
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,920
but it's uh it's uh but a chance to win

1685
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,480
a great prize makes it even better,

1686
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,320
especially when you're young. Um uh

1687
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,080
Ontario Public Library Week also gets a

1688
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:26,640
boost for prizes supplied by the Friends

1689
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:29,199
of the Meford Library. Uh they purchased

1690
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:32,320
oversized bookends for our junior

1691
01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:34,719
picture books back in 2025. Um these are

1692
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:36,400
the largest items in the library.

1693
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:38,560
They're almost larger than most

1694
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:41,120
reference books. Uh and the most popular

1695
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:44,000
item within the junior collection. Uh so

1696
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,520
thanks to the FL they now uh sit neat

1697
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:49,120
and tidy on the shelves. They were

1698
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,800
falling over and it was uh not uh not a

1699
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,920
pretty sight sometimes. So now they're

1700
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:56,640
all neat and tidy. Uh inventory one

1701
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,320
really helps um us find uh lost books

1702
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,480
within the library and also helps with

1703
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:03,280
our inventory

1704
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:06,000
extremely um it works with our libraries

1705
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,239
RFID tag system. Uh video games are

1706
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:11,840
expensive. the friends help keep this

1707
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:14,400
collection fresh and um and as mentioned

1708
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,640
before the friends have sp sponsored our

1709
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,640
membership cards since we first

1710
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:24,080
automated in 2005 I believe uh so we're

1711
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:26,000
now on our third uh library system um

1712
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:28,560
which houses our uh the inventory of our

1713
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,480
books and our patrons database and the

1714
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,000
friends have provided cards for this

1715
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:34,080
every step of the way. So, we're very

1716
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,800
they're they're very expensive and we

1717
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:39,360
really appreciate that they um that they

1718
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,280
help us out in this fashion. Uh and as

1719
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,840
mentioned by Chair Grafton, they've also

1720
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:46,000
sponsored five of our Wi-Fi hotspots

1721
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,440
which uh are flying off the shelves

1722
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,840
especially this summer. We've got

1723
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:51,840
campers coming in, people at Memorial

1724
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:54,239
Park. We've got people up in cottages

1725
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:56,620
for the summer. So they uh uh that and

1726
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,159
the Ontario parking passes uh are

1727
01:19:56,620 --> 01:20:00,480
[clears throat] and the um parking

1728
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:05,040
passes are hot hot ticket items in the

1729
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:08,000
in the summertime. Uh we go this is my

1730
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:10,080
favorite page statistics. This is Neford

1731
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,920
by the numbers. These statistics will

1732
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:17,920
provide a snapshot of the 2025 usage

1733
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:20,400
here at Neford Public Library. Um 2025

1734
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:23,280
saw almost 84,000 visitors through our

1735
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:26,560
doors. Uh this equates to about when you

1736
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,080
think about it 84,000 questions from

1737
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:31,520
something as simple as where are the

1738
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:34,159
washrooms to how do you print? Can I

1739
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:36,480
have a book recommendation? And the

1740
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:38,800
staff do a tremendous job in helping to

1741
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,840
provide this top-notch service. You

1742
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,600
never know what you're going to get when

1743
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,400
they come in the door, but we hate to

1744
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:48,239
say no, so we do love to to help out any

1745
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:51,040
way that we can. Uh we registered 804

1746
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:53,600
new patrons in 2025.

1747
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:56,640
uh with staff giving most a tour of the

1748
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:59,679
building and a warm welcome. Uh almost

1749
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:03,360
73,000 materials checked out uh from a

1750
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:06,880
collection the size of 31,769

1751
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:10,560
items. Uh the replacement value uh of

1752
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:13,760
items circulated was over $1.3 million.

1753
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:17,679
So a yearly budget of 40,000 uh returns

1754
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:20,320
over uh 1.3 million in usage. Uh so this

1755
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:23,520
dollar value does not include um the

1756
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:27,360
free meeting room spaces uh the free or

1757
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:30,239
lowcost 789 programs offered and

1758
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:32,719
attended by almost 12,000 users and most

1759
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:36,000
importantly uh the feeling of being in a

1760
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:39,040
bright modern beautiful facility that

1761
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:41,760
values diversity, inclusion,

1762
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,360
confidentiality and equality has no

1763
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,280
price tag in my opinion. That is

1764
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,760
priceless.

1765
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,080
Uh MPL is proud to supply up-to-date

1766
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:52,000
technology for its users. Thanks in part

1767
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,560
to the municipal IT department who

1768
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,560
worked uh diligent diligently to keep

1769
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:59,280
both the public and the staff networks

1770
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:02,000
running. Uh we've got two systems so

1771
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:04,400
takes a lot of uh a lot of maintenance.

1772
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:07,440
Uh the 15,610

1773
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:09,360
computer users reap these benefits. uh

1774
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:11,360
volunteers run the tech center and

1775
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:14,880
helped 339

1776
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:17,440
people in 2025 with tech questions and

1777
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,199
we thank our dedicated volunteers. Uh

1778
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:21,920
this number doesn't include the mirage

1779
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:25,120
of technology questions posed to staff

1780
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,360
on a daily and almost hourly basis. Uh

1781
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,760
the e library which includes more than e

1782
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:32,880
uh it includes more than ebooks. Uh our

1783
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:35,679
e library contains uh movies, magazines,

1784
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:39,520
learning and language courses. uh saw

1785
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:42,320
almost 40,000 downloads in 2025. Uh and

1786
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:45,320
the online catalog with over 44,000

1787
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,320
searches.

1788
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,080
Uh this is a fun page, most circulated

1789
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:53,760
items in 2025. This is just a sample of

1790
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,000
the of the popular titles that

1791
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:58,320
circulated then. Uh even with the many

1792
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,639
different movie streaming services

1793
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,800
available to folks now uh now these

1794
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:04,880
days, our movie discs are still going

1795
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,400
strong in circulation. I know some of

1796
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,920
the local libraries are taking them out

1797
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,199
of the collection because they're not

1798
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:13,280
circulating, but uh I think uh if we did

1799
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:14,880
that right now, it wouldn't uh wouldn't

1800
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,760
benefit our users. They're they're very

1801
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:21,360
very popular. The old discs still

1802
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:24,800
around. Uh membership uh who makes up

1803
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:26,800
our membership. Um well, I've added uh

1804
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,120
we've added the footnote explaining uh

1805
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:31,040
how we actually calculate the active

1806
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:34,159
card holders. I know it's been a

1807
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,679
question um uh that many libraries we

1808
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:38,480
want the ministry wants to make sure

1809
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:41,040
that we we tally every library tallies

1810
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:43,040
their active card holders the same way.

1811
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:45,840
So an active membership is a member with

1812
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:48,719
an unexpired card within the last two

1813
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:50,320
years. So that's how we uh do our active

1814
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:52,320
memberships and that's how we reported

1815
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,480
to the Ministry of Tourism, Culture and

1816
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,719
Gaming every year.

1817
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:59,840
So it's not based uh on if they check a

1818
01:23:56,719 --> 01:24:01,600
book out. uh this is based on the expiry

1819
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,920
date because pe people use their cards

1820
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:06,080
for many reasons. Uh that doesn't

1821
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,080
necessarily give us a statistic to

1822
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,840
measure. Uh for example, if they use

1823
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,159
their card for a meeting space or if

1824
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,320
they tend a program uh these are counted

1825
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:16,880
in number only not end user. So, you

1826
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,440
know, we uh we take uh statistics of how

1827
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,679
many bookings were in the uh rooms rooms

1828
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:24,880
per month, but we don't exactly pinpoint

1829
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:26,880
who who does what um for confidentiality

1830
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,280
and and also because we only wanted a

1831
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,360
grand total anyway. Uh using u people

1832
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:33,040
that use their card to access any e-

1833
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,280
resource such as Ancestry, Libby,

1834
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,639
Hoopla, uh they don't get re registered

1835
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,360
individually as well. They get

1836
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:42,400
registered um just as a lump sum number

1837
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:44,480
at the end of the month. Excuse me. Uh

1838
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,480
from the membership uh chart, you can

1839
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:48,719
see that uh card holders from the Blue

1840
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:51,440
Mountains and Grey Highlands enjoy

1841
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:54,320
reciprocal card agreements um with us

1842
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:56,639
and our our um members can go and get

1843
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:59,199
free cards over at uh Grey Highlands and

1844
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:01,280
Blue Mountains libraries as well. And

1845
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:03,280
non non-residents as well that live

1846
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:05,199
outside these zones also get a free

1847
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:10,080
membership at Chifford Public Library.

1848
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:12,719
We don't charge uh uh non-resident fees

1849
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:15,520
uh with the 5,235

1850
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:19,520
uh uh municipal municipality of meford

1851
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:21,360
residents having an active card in 2025.

1852
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,239
Uh this indicates based on the

1853
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:27,120
population data um the last census uh

1854
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:30,480
that almost 47% of residents hold an

1855
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:32,560
active card. Um this just this indicates

1856
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:35,040
a large commitment to the Meford Public

1857
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:38,360
Library by our community and we we are

1858
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,360
most grateful.

1859
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:44,159
Uh here we have uh three pillars of

1860
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:45,760
service are very important to uh the

1861
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:47,840
Meford Public Library. That's

1862
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,280
engagement, innovation, and

1863
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:53,040
collaboration. Uh in 2025, uh Meford

1864
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,040
Public Library embrace em embraced

1865
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,960
diversity and inclusion with their

1866
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,520
rainbow book club and its spin-off

1867
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:01,840
Rainbow Crafts. Uh selected library

1868
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,320
staff and board trustee Elgen Peekchuk

1869
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:06,400
presented a seminar on inclusion and

1870
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:09,040
safe uh library spaces and rural

1871
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:11,840
libraries at the OA super conference in

1872
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:14,480
January 2025. So that started the year

1873
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:16,320
off on a great note. Um, health and

1874
01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:18,320
safety is very important to the library

1875
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,080
and the municipality of Meford as a

1876
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,840
whole. Uh, the library thanks the

1877
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:24,400
municipality uh for the training

1878
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:27,440
opportunities and first aid uh joint

1879
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,120
health and safety training uh the the

1880
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:32,719
new composition of the joint health and

1881
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:34,639
safety um program. It's all uh points to

1882
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:37,600
a real commitment in health and safety.

1883
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:39,440
Our library board uh is responsible for

1884
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,679
everybody in according to our safety and

1885
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:44,239
security and library policy are also

1886
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:46,320
extremely are are responsible for

1887
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:48,800
everyone in the library as well. So they

1888
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:52,080
also thank the municipality for their uh

1889
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:54,320
health and safety commitment as well.

1890
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:56,800
uh staff training very important uh in

1891
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:59,679
order to keep staff aware of trends in

1892
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:01,280
books and technology, AI, intellectual

1893
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:03,280
freedom

1894
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,840
um everything and training is important

1895
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:08,239
on how we deal with unruly patrons and

1896
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:10,000
other social issues which are becoming

1897
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:12,239
all too common in a lot of public

1898
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,040
libraries uh such as homelessness,

1899
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:17,920
addiction. Uh so we're training

1900
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:21,280
frontline staff to how to help in these

1901
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:23,600
uh in these uh unfortunate condition

1902
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:27,280
conditions that can happen. Uh here we

1903
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:31,199
go. Oh, sorry.

1904
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:33,840
Next pillar of service is uh innovation.

1905
01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:36,000
Uh it is crucial that the library um

1906
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:38,639
keeps relevant in its community with

1907
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:40,480
within innovation. Innovation is what uh

1908
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:42,960
patrons want in order to access

1909
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:45,199
up-to-date items and to access quality

1910
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:47,440
programming uh to keep them learning on

1911
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:49,679
how to use the latest technology, how to

1912
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:52,880
use e- reser resources and how to make

1913
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:54,800
the most of of their library membership.

1914
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,480
Technology is changing quickly and the

1915
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,800
library needs to be ready with trained

1916
01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:01,600
staff who can shift services and keep

1917
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:04,080
ahead of this fast-paced technology

1918
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,920
based world. innovation is necessary

1919
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,080
necessary so that staff can use the most

1920
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,480
recent technology in order to serve the

1921
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:13,120
public. Uh we are also active on our

1922
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:16,000
social media and our newsletter. We have

1923
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,520
almost 4,000 um subscribers to our

1924
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,520
newsletter that goes out monthly. So

1925
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:24,719
that's a real commitment uh and it's

1926
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:27,360
fantastic uh u community support and uh

1927
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:31,360
so

1928
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:33,679
thank you. Uh collaboration

1929
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:36,000
that takes two pages because the uh we

1930
01:28:33,679 --> 01:28:37,920
would um collaboration and partnerships

1931
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,800
is what makes the tr uh the library

1932
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:44,080
truly public. Partnerships contribute to

1933
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,159
learning services our inventory items.

1934
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:48,719
Um, it can make a visit to the library

1935
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:51,280
fun, interesting, create social

1936
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:53,360
opportunities for others. Uh, the list

1937
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:55,120
is endless on our collaboration pages.

1938
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,120
We collaborate with our municipality,

1939
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:00,400
social services,

1940
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:02,320
uh, uh, legal firms, the list goes on.

1941
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:05,040
It's just, uh, an amazing collaboration

1942
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:07,360
within our community and, uh, we reach

1943
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,880
out to, um, people to partnership and

1944
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,840
they reach out to us. So I think we've

1945
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:15,600
got trust within the community uh that

1946
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:18,719
so that uh these social services um and

1947
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:21,040
other other um partners reach out to us

1948
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:23,440
and they know that they can hold their

1949
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:26,800
uh their programs in a in a secure

1950
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:28,880
confidential space. Um and there are

1951
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:31,040
also many economic benefits to our

1952
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:33,520
community from our library program

1953
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:35,760
programming as most items and supplies

1954
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,760
for programming we purchase within the

1955
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,760
community.

1956
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:42,199
No,

1957
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:49,520
no, I just wanted to mention the library

1958
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,280
board. I know we're we'll be getting a

1959
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,840
council will appoint a new a new board

1960
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:57,600
at the end of this year. So, a shout out

1961
01:29:53,840 --> 01:30:00,239
to um Kim Grafton, our chair, uh Lloyd

1962
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:03,760
Moore, our vice chair, Frank Ampage,

1963
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:06,880
trustee, Elegant Pekjack, trustee, Marne

1964
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:09,199
Wraith, trustee, counselors, uh Brandon

1965
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:12,400
Fer, and counselors Hardy Greenfield,

1966
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:15,280
our council reps on board, uh on the

1967
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,800
board. Uh, shout out to our staff. Uh,

1968
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,199
Lori Pierce, children and youth

1969
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:21,679
coordinator. Amy Selei, community

1970
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:24,320
outreach coordinator. Shantel Highfield,

1971
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:26,080
technical services coordinator. Ashley

1972
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,480
Trestler, library specialist in

1973
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:31,040
circulation and interl loans. Uh,

1974
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:34,000
Samantha Macintosh, library assistant,

1975
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:36,880
Rosemary Palmer, library assistant, Kim

1976
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,040
Bley, public services clerk, and our

1977
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,800
library summer student, Claire. Every

1978
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:45,600
year it changes and um it's

1979
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:47,120
we uh we enjoy having our summer

1980
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:50,400
students so much and they are pivotal in

1981
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:52,159
our TD summer reading program. But I

1982
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:55,440
would also like to ones that's not on

1983
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:58,719
this list are our valued volunteers. Uh

1984
01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:01,440
we we treat our volunteers as staff and

1985
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:05,880
valuable team members. So they should uh

1986
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:05,880
they are included in this list as well.

1987
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:12,560
uh reviewing the year and planning the

1988
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:14,880
future. Uh in closing, um I want to uh

1989
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,800
I've thanked all our stakeholders.

1990
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,679
There's just so many. That's why my uh

1991
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:22,000
it's two pages long. My my thank you. Uh

1992
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:23,760
I talk about uh in my uh report I talk

1993
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,920
about the challenges of AI and

1994
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:28,719
intellectual freedom. That is something

1995
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:31,760
not going away. Uh AI affects can

1996
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:33,920
affects books uh our e- resources. So

1997
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:35,920
it's something that we really um have to

1998
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,760
stay on top of. Uh we certainly don't

1999
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:42,480
want um an algorithm telling us what

2000
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,880
books we need to buy for our our our

2001
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:48,400
database. We need to have people with

2002
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:50,639
passion and heart to um to create items

2003
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,800
for the library.

2004
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:55,280
Uh we are looking forward to our 100th

2005
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:57,440
anniversary celebrations this year and

2006
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:00,239
another signature author event which has

2007
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:02,880
which we've just booked on November 9th.

2008
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:05,040
I'm not going to tell you who it is yet.

2009
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,520
Uh and and we are also looking forward

2010
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:12,280
to working with a new council and a new

2011
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,280
library board at the end of this year.

2012
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:24,000
Here's our contact us page. Uh, I want

2013
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,080
to thank you, council,

2014
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,440
uh, your worship, deputy mayor,

2015
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:31,520
municipal colleagues, uh, chair Grafton,

2016
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:35,520
the Meford Public Library board council

2017
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:39,040
reps, uh, Greenfield and Forer, uh, and

2018
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:41,040
the Meford Public Library staff. uh they

2019
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:43,440
are a dedicated team who are committed

2020
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:46,320
to me for public library both past,

2021
01:32:43,440 --> 01:32:48,480
present and future and a team that will

2022
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:51,440
help ensure that we remain the community

2023
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:53,440
hub and the place to be. Um but I thank

2024
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:55,920
most of all the public users of the

2025
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:59,280
Mford Public Library. Um by coming

2026
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:01,120
through our doors, providing feedback,

2027
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:03,600
positive or negative, we learn from

2028
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:06,560
everything. uh taking out a membership,

2029
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:09,360
donating funds, and more puts the public

2030
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,360
into your Meford Public Library. Thank

2031
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:13,280
you for taking the time today to listen

2032
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,960
to Chair Grafton and I describe the

2033
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,360
beautiful community hub called the

2034
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:20,320
Meford Public Library, and we look

2035
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,840
forward to your next visit. Thank you so

2036
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,760
much.

2037
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:26,800
» Thank you, Lynn. Does anyone have any

2038
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,560
questions or comments for Lynn, Deputy

2039
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,239
Mayor?

2040
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,480
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And first of all,

2041
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:34,400
and I just want to say a huge thank you

2042
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:36,800
for everything that the library provides

2043
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,400
to this community. It's amazing. I often

2044
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,239
take advantage of the meeting spaces and

2045
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:42,400
I don't know what I'd do without them.

2046
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:45,120
But a very special note of appreciation

2047
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:47,040
to Chair Grafton and thank you for your

2048
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,880
intense passionate commitment to the

2049
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,840
library over these past years and I know

2050
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,520
you'll be no stranger going forward. Um

2051
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,920
I just wanted to ask one question

2052
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:59,440
though, Lynn. You mentioned the uh Wi-Fi

2053
01:33:55,920 --> 01:34:02,000
routers um and how often they are looked

2054
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:03,520
out. Do you actually have enough of

2055
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,520
those at this point?

2056
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:08,960
» Uh I was just discussing that with our

2057
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:10,800
IT uh department actually last week. Uh

2058
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:13,360
I think they're moving over to another

2059
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,960
company. So they've already replaced

2060
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:17,760
some of the SIM cards in them because

2061
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:20,880
they they've been going strong for 5

2062
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:23,760
years now, almost six years. So, we may

2063
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,920
I might investigate investigate buying a

2064
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:28,880
few more units as well because there are

2065
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:31,040
two actually that uh actually went out

2066
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,480
and never came back unfortunately. So,

2067
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:37,520
we have um from the we started with 11

2068
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:40,480
and we have actually nine that are are

2069
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:42,400
um being circulated.

2070
01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:44,480
» And if I may, Mr. Mayor, a followup.

2071
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:46,400
Thank you for that, Lynn. And just uh

2072
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:48,000
noting that perhaps it's something the

2073
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,480
Rotary Club would just like to know

2074
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:52,639
about uh that you might be interested in

2075
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,320
some additional routers. And and just

2076
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:56,880
one last thing, um you mentioned the

2077
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:59,440
volunteers, but I just have to uh

2078
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:01,840
express gratitude for the gardeners who

2079
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:03,520
do an incredible job, those girls out

2080
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,840
there every morning and the watering and

2081
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,520
the weeding and and I tell them every

2082
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:09,440
year the gardens look better and better.

2083
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:13,199
So a special shout out to them.

2084
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:15,760
» Absolutely. Thank you. Anyone else wish

2085
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:19,040
to make a comment? Uh then thank you

2086
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:21,360
again so much. Very comprehensive and uh

2087
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,560
uh straight up for the library for sure.

2088
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:25,040
» Thank you so much.

2089
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,440
» Under community services um the

2090
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,800
recommendation is Oh, we have to vote to

2091
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:33,280
accept this for uh for it's okay but we

2092
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,960
we want to accept this for information

2093
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,920
purposes.

2094
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,719
Uh all in favor?

2095
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:43,040
Uh any opposed?

2096
01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:46,960
I'm going to assume that councelor Andis

2097
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:48,239
is very in favor of the library here.

2098
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,600
» Thank you your worship. Just for

2099
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,960
clarity, we will not be counting his

2100
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:53,520
vote in this as he did not.

2101
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:57,840
» Okay. So then it is unanimous among

2102
01:35:53,520 --> 01:36:00,480
those of us who are in the horseshoe. Um

2103
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,360
so under uh community services uh the

2104
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:05,840
recommendation is that uh uh committee

2105
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,840
of the whole recommend council of the

2106
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:10,560
municipality of meford enact a bylaw to

2107
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:13,600
repeal and replace schedule Q of the

2108
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:17,440
2026 fees and charges bylaw and I'll

2109
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:19,440
call on director uh carpet to uh

2110
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:22,480
yes mover and second. Thank you again.

2111
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:25,040
Um so uh a mover

2112
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:28,480
councelor for a seconder councelor Bell

2113
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:31,920
all in favor don't need to do that. Okay

2114
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:35,440
questions or uh and I think we should

2115
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:37,199
hear from director Carver here.

2116
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:39,440
» Thank you your worship and I can be

2117
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:41,040
relatively quick with this one. Uh this

2118
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:42,320
is another kind of housekeeping item

2119
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:46,639
that I'm bringing to council's

2120
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:49,760
attention. Um, we require the 2026 fees

2121
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:52,719
and charges schedule Q, uh, to be

2122
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,480
updated in order for us to issue our

2123
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:56,400
renewals for the arena advertising

2124
01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:58,480
program. Uh, the amount that was

2125
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,280
included in the original fees and

2126
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:03,280
charges bylaw was incorrect for this

2127
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:06,320
year. And had we have issued our

2128
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:08,719
renewals at that rate, we would result

2129
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:10,239
in a approximate loss of $7,500 to

2130
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:13,040
$8,000

2131
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:15,920
uh, due to this. So the original bylaw

2132
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:17,280
included kind of a blanket fee whereas a

2133
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,360
system that has been in place for

2134
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:22,800
approximately 5 years now actually has a

2135
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:24,880
tiered pricing system so that the more

2136
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,960
prime locations particularly behind the

2137
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:31,440
home and the players or home players and

2138
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:34,159
away players bench are uh 4003 or $400

2139
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:36,320
and $350 and the end boards are cheaper

2140
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:37,760
than that but they are all still

2141
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,520
significantly higher than what was

2142
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,520
included in the bylaw. So we felt it

2143
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:44,400
appropriate to bring this back to get

2144
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:46,800
this rectified so that we can issue the

2145
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,480
renewal letters for this upcoming season

2146
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,159
and in order to maintain consistency

2147
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:51,600
from year to year. So last year we

2148
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:53,679
charged the higher rates if we brought

2149
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,360
it back down to the amount in the bylaw.

2150
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:58,480
This year we would lose the money but

2151
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,920
then also have um some negative flicity

2152
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:01,600
next year when we turn around and put

2153
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:03,119
that put it back up to the proper rate.

2154
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,560
So we thought we'd bring this to council

2155
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:06,960
right now.

2156
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,560
» Any questions for Brady?

2157
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,119
You ready to vote? Well, go ahead,

2158
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:13,199
councelor Bell.

2159
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:16,480
» Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Thanks for the

2160
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:19,679
report. So, you have mentioned uh

2161
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:23,280
verbally that you want to have this in

2162
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:26,000
place before you start asking personnel

2163
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:30,239
that wish to advertise.

2164
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:31,760
So, no one has paid $150 at this point.

2165
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:34,639
when they see what you're going to

2166
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:37,280
charge them, should council do this this

2167
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:40,800
afternoon, they will be told these

2168
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:43,440
prices on the right hand column.

2169
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,040
To councelor Belu, your worship, yes, we

2170
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:48,639
have not issued our renewals for the

2171
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:50,639
2026 2027 season. Um, if council

2172
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:52,159
approves the report today, the bylaw

2173
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:54,320
will come back in two weeks and then

2174
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:57,320
those renewal letters will go out that

2175
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,320
week.

2176
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:03,520
Okay, seeing no more questions, I'm

2177
01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:06,480
going to call the uh item. All in favor?

2178
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:08,239
Any opposed? Though that is carried

2179
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:10,159
unanimously.

2180
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:11,840
Um under corporate services the

2181
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:13,760
recommendation is that the committee of

2182
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:16,639
the whole recommend council of the

2183
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:19,600
municipality of meford approve uh one

2184
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:21,679
option three as per the staff report and

2185
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,600
two establishing a capital budget of

2186
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:25,360
$47,500

2187
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,840
to be funded by the information

2188
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:30,080
technology reserve fund. I'm going to

2189
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:31,920
ask director Dinsmore to uh speak to

2190
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:34,880
this one. I'll move her in a second.

2191
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:37,360
Let's do that right away. Um, Deputy

2192
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:41,679
Mayor and Councelor Yurig.

2193
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:43,199
All in favor? No. Okay. Uh, please go

2194
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:44,639
ahead.

2195
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:46,639
Uh, thank you, your worship. So, I'll

2196
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:48,159
just quickly, excuse me, [clears throat]

2197
01:39:46,639 --> 01:39:50,159
run through the three options that staff

2198
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:51,920
have put in front of council for their

2199
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:54,159
consideration with option three being

2200
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:55,840
the one currently recommended by staff.

2201
01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,679
So, under option one, it would be the

2202
01:39:55,840 --> 01:40:00,639
basic level of investment that would be

2203
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:03,119
required to allow council to participate

2204
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:05,440
remotely. Um, so it it would allow for

2205
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:06,719
hybrid participation by council members.

2206
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:09,119
In addition, there would be some

2207
01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:11,040
upgrades made when other presenters are

2208
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:12,800
making presentations to council. So

2209
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:14,800
right now you can either see what

2210
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:16,800
they're presenting or the person. You'd

2211
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:19,040
be able to see both. Um, making it a

2212
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:21,280
little bit more interactive.

2213
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,719
Option two.

2214
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,800
And each one as I go through each one of

2215
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:26,960
these options, what comes in option one

2216
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,320
you get if you go with option two. What

2217
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,600
comes in options one and two you get

2218
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,360
when you go to option three. So they

2219
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:33,520
build off of each other.

2220
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:36,320
Uh option two looks to at looks to

2221
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:37,920
improve the overall audio quality within

2222
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,280
council chambers and uh more

2223
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,960
specifically for those who are

2224
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:43,920
participating online and for those who

2225
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:47,280
are viewing council online. And again,

2226
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:50,320
it allows for better um better

2227
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,080
presentations and better content um

2228
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,920
viewing for for those that are

2229
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,440
participating in the council meeting.

2230
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:57,280
And then option three, which is the

2231
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:58,880
highest AV investment and the one again

2232
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:01,360
that staff are recommending at this

2233
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:03,119
time. Uh the the main part of this one

2234
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:05,920
is it improves the backup storage of all

2235
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:07,520
recorded meetings which um is very

2236
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:10,639
important because as everybody's aware

2237
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:14,320
these are uh permanent records of the

2238
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:16,719
municipality. Uh it also allows for a

2239
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:18,480
little bit better public viewing while

2240
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:19,840
um the public is in this room. some of

2241
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:22,080
the TVs would be made a little bit

2242
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:24,080
larger, would be angled out so that um

2243
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:26,159
it's a little bit easier for every for

2244
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:28,080
everybody here to to see what's going on

2245
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:31,280
and be able to view presentations that

2246
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:33,600
are being made by staff and uh and other

2247
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:37,040
other third parties. So, with that, I

2248
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:39,280
will uh I'm available for any questions.

2249
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,600
» Councelor Yuri,

2250
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:43,440
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you,

2251
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:46,080
Sam. It' be inappropriate for me to go

2252
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:48,239
over and hug you. So, um I'll just say

2253
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:51,040
thank you very much for the report and

2254
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:53,840
for the elacrity that it came in. Uh I

2255
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:56,960
will wholeheartedly uh recommend we

2256
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:59,440
proceed with option C3 as recommended

2257
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,199
and uh thank you for the very quick work

2258
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:03,840
on this because I know we've asked for

2259
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:05,679
for a long time but we did sort of ask

2260
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,800
for this to come or I asked for this to

2261
01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:11,199
come back quickly and I appreciate that.

2262
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:13,199
» Councelor Ford.

2263
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:15,280
Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. It's for you.

2264
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:17,440
Um, I definitely agree that some

2265
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:19,679
upgrades do need to be done. However, I

2266
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:22,560
just find that we're being asked to

2267
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:24,880
spend money without seeing equipment

2268
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:26,639
costs or what these operating costs

2269
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,440
include. Like I find it's way too high

2270
01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:30,960
level. Um, I'd really like to see more

2271
01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:33,360
detail to see what we're actually

2272
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:35,440
spending money on. Um, it's also not

2273
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:37,119
very clear. You know, you get everything

2274
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:39,840
from option one to option two to option

2275
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:42,800
three, but like what is that? So, I just

2276
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:45,679
find that I'm not comfortable voting not

2277
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:47,760
knowing what exact products or equipment

2278
01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:50,639
we're voting for and the reasons behind

2279
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:54,080
it. I also don't have any information

2280
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:55,920
with regards to what type of um service

2281
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,920
agreements that might be with any of

2282
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,760
this hardware. If there's software and

2283
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:02,880
there's technology, there might be some

2284
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:04,800
subscription fees. Um, I also don't know

2285
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,239
who this consultant was. Is this the

2286
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:08,320
individual that's selling us this

2287
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:09,920
product or how are we going about buying

2288
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,600
this product and who are we buying it

2289
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,800
from? I just find there's a lot of

2290
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:14,480
information that I'm just not

2291
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,639
comfortable moving forward without that.

2292
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:18,560
So maybe you can help me with that, but

2293
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:20,239
I I would have loved to see a more

2294
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,159
detailed list of the equipment and the

2295
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:24,159
services like just more specific to see

2296
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:28,199
what that money actually where that's

2297
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:28,199
coming from. Thank you.

2298
01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:32,000
» Thank you. And through you. So, as staff

2299
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:33,760
went through this, we actually went

2300
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,600
through our purchasing policy to ensure

2301
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:37,600
that we were getting quotes correctly.

2302
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,600
Um, I believe only one bid was received

2303
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,760
on this work. The reason that I've left

2304
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:43,600
it high level is we do start to get into

2305
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,320
the area of proprietary information.

2306
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:50,080
We're not specifically allowed to say

2307
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:53,280
for exact types of things that um how

2308
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:56,000
much individuals are charging us. Um,

2309
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:57,360
that's why when we put large tenders in

2310
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,600
front of council, we leave it as one

2311
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,080
number. Um, because to go into much more

2312
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:04,400
detail is actually giving out

2313
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,760
confidential information. Uh, I'm happy

2314
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,119
to bring back a little bit more of a

2315
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,440
breakdown if that's what council would

2316
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:11,840
like to see. Um, we could also look at

2317
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:14,239
going into close session to to walk

2318
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:17,480
through exactly what would be offered by

2319
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:17,480
the consultant.

2320
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:22,960
» Deputy Mayor.

2321
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:24,639
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh first of all,

2322
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:27,440
I'd like to rename this the councelor

2323
01:44:24,639 --> 01:44:29,280
URIG report because this has been uh on

2324
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:30,719
Rob's mind for a long time. So I

2325
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,760
appreciate seeing this in front of us

2326
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:35,440
today. Um in my mind in relation to the

2327
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:38,000
breakdown that councelor Ford has

2328
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:40,480
requested and I appreciate uh your

2329
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:43,520
desire to do that, but I look at this as

2330
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:45,520
being operations and kind of

2331
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:48,000
understanding the role of council and

2332
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:50,960
governance and the role of staff in

2333
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,199
executing the desires of council. If we

2334
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:55,119
look back at our budgeting process and

2335
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:57,360
you could pick anything, but if we look

2336
01:44:55,119 --> 01:45:00,320
at the new financial software for

2337
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:03,760
example, um you know, we didn't see that

2338
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:06,000
level of information. So, I just think

2339
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:08,719
it's it's interesting and a good

2340
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:10,400
opportunity for us to kind of explore,

2341
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:12,800
you know, what's what's appropriate for

2342
01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:15,199
us to see and what is, you know,

2343
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,119
completely operations for staff. So,

2344
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:19,679
some more information on that might be

2345
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:22,400
uh good to have. Uh but Sam, my question

2346
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:24,560
for you. Um we talk about council on

2347
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:26,639
this report. So just review with us

2348
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,239
again in terms of committees, whatever

2349
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:31,360
the committees look like in the next

2350
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:33,840
term. Um will this uh upgrade be

2351
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:36,239
available for uh committee meetings as

2352
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:38,159
well as council?

2353
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:40,080
» Uh through uh thank you through you, Mr.

2354
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:41,920
Mayor. So because the any committee

2355
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,520
meeting that would happen in this room,

2356
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,360
all of this technology would be

2357
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,639
available for those committee meetings.

2358
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:48,960
We would have to ensure that it's

2359
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:50,560
through the procedural bylaw that all of

2360
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,719
it is allowed. But yes, anything that

2361
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:56,400
would happen in this room could take

2362
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:59,920
full advantage of this new equipment.

2363
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:02,400
» Going to call the question. All in favor

2364
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:04,000
any sorry

2365
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,440
just can we start again here? I don't

2366
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,360
know if you heard I'm I'm calling a

2367
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:09,600
question. All in favor of accepting the

2368
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:13,280
report.

2369
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:16,960
So we have one, two, three, four, five,

2370
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:19,679
six in favor. Those opposed?

2371
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:23,199
Okay, one opposed. And I declare the

2372
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:26,400
motion carried. Um the next

2373
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:29,040
recommendation is uh from uh development

2374
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,480
services. Um it's that committee of the

2375
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,880
whole recommend council of the

2376
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,560
municipality of meford one direct staff

2377
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:36,400
to initiate a request for

2378
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:39,679
pre-qualification

2379
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:42,719
RFPQ process for the three surplus

2380
01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:44,880
residential parcels identified and two

2381
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:47,520
endorse exploration of a tiny home

2382
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:48,480
community model subject to feas may be

2383
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,040
bigger pardon

2384
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:54,239
» Thank you we just uh missed D under

2385
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:56,960
corporate services the 2027 to 2031

2386
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:59,040
capital facility capital program Okay.

2387
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:02,320
Uh do you want me to finish this and go

2388
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:04,400
back to that or don't? Okay. We'll start

2389
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:07,520
over here. The recommendation is uh and

2390
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:09,440
this is uh from um uh corporate services

2391
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,360
that committee of the whole recommend

2392
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:14,800
council of the municipality of meford

2393
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:17,280
approve option X which we will determine

2394
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:22,880
as we move forward. uh as outlined in

2395
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:26,960
report uh uh corporate services uh 2027

2396
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:28,480
to 2031 and that is a facilities capital

2397
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:31,679
program and again I'm going to turn it

2398
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:33,360
over to director Dinsmore. Sorry. Yes,

2399
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:35,760
let's get a mover and seconder to have

2400
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:39,920
it on the table. Um it's moved by

2401
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:43,760
councelor for seconded by

2402
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:46,719
sorry thank you councelis. Um,

2403
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:48,480
and let's proceed.

2404
01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:50,960
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'll just

2405
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:52,560
quickly explain why why I wrote the

2406
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,560
recommendation the way I wrote it and

2407
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:56,320
didn't staff haven't actually made a

2408
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,920
recommendation in this case. And we're

2409
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:00,800
looking for direction from from council

2410
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,719
on that part. At this point, staff

2411
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:04,800
didn't feel it was within our

2412
01:48:02,719 --> 01:48:06,639
responsibility or within our right to

2413
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,600
make a recommendation. Um we're looking

2414
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:11,679
for guidance and a um we're looking for

2415
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:14,480
guidance from council on how we go about

2416
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:17,280
putting together the 2027 to 2031

2417
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:19,040
capital budget for the five specific

2418
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,560
facilities mentioned in this in this

2419
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:22,400
report. I just want to quickly highlight

2420
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:24,800
those facilities. Um they're the

2421
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:27,600
administrative offices at 21 and 15

2422
01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:29,920
trail the blue dolphin pool the council

2423
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:32,239
chambers. So just this building we're

2424
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:34,239
not including the uh patrol a and then

2425
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:36,480
the meford stent community center and

2426
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:39,600
arrange. So this report is specifically

2427
01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:41,600
focused on those five five facilities

2428
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,760
that are currently owned and operated by

2429
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,239
the municipality. Uh I just want to

2430
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,840
quickly outline chart one. Um chart one

2431
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:50,000
gives some gives some basic information

2432
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:52,080
about the facilities, what year it was

2433
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:54,400
constructed, what a replacement value is

2434
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:56,800
in 2024 and what their current facility

2435
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:59,040
condition index is. And then tied to

2436
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:00,880
that would be what condition that asset

2437
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,360
is considered to be in. So when you look

2438
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:04,480
at it, the the the newest facility is

2439
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,040
the one we're sitting in right now,

2440
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:09,119
which is still over uh over 30 years

2441
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:11,199
old. So some of these facilities are are

2442
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:13,040
quite old, 15 Trobridge being a bit of

2443
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:16,520
an outlier at, you know, coming up to

2444
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,520
100 years old.

2445
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:21,360
Staff have put together two options for

2446
01:49:19,199 --> 01:49:23,119
council's consideration today. And and

2447
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,040
what we're looking for is to direct us

2448
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:26,960
on how to build the capital budget. So

2449
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:29,840
we're not specifically asking for

2450
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:31,679
council to approve $12.6 6 million

2451
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:33,199
today. But what we're doing is looking

2452
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,719
to see if you would like to see that

2453
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:37,520
type of information and those type of

2454
01:49:34,719 --> 01:49:39,280
capital projects put into the 2027 to

2455
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:42,159
2031

2456
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:44,159
capital program.

2457
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:45,679
So within the the facility condition

2458
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:48,639
assessments done on those five

2459
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:50,480
facilities, the 12.6 million was

2460
01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:54,159
identified of work that needs to be done

2461
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:57,920
over the next 3 to 5 years. The main

2462
01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:59,520
pieces of that of that amount are roof

2463
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,679
replacements and parking lots. They're

2464
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,679
rather expensive. Um, and a lot of these

2465
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:06,000
facilities, specifically specifically

2466
01:50:03,679 --> 01:50:07,600
the arena, are getting to that age where

2467
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,159
some significant dollars are going to be

2468
01:50:07,600 --> 01:50:11,920
needed to invested into that facility to

2469
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:15,040
get it to its full useful life of

2470
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:16,639
roughly 80 years for a facility. So, so

2471
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:19,440
option one is looking at just continue

2472
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:21,119
to budget the projects as they need to

2473
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:23,600
be done at the price that they need to

2474
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:25,440
be done at. Um, some pros to this

2475
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:27,840
approach would be it's a lower capital

2476
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:29,600
cost than option two and it maintains

2477
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:32,239
the level of service that council has

2478
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:33,760
set with minimal impact on the operating

2479
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,280
budget.

2480
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:37,760
Uh, some of the cons that we've outlined

2481
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:40,560
is after the 12.6 million, there still

2482
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:44,239
will be a 55year-old arena and a

2483
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:46,320
66-year-old outdoor pool. Uh, the

2484
01:50:44,239 --> 01:50:48,400
capital works will be like for like with

2485
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:50,480
no improvements to the facility. So, as

2486
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:52,880
an example, the dressing rooms at the

2487
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:55,520
arena are a bit of a a cause for concern

2488
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:58,320
due to their size. Investing this type

2489
01:50:55,520 --> 01:51:00,080
of money won't make those dressing rooms

2490
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:02,960
bigger, won't make that facility more

2491
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:05,360
user friendly. It will basically operate

2492
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:07,119
the same way it does today. Um, the

2493
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:08,560
investment will not greatly increase the

2494
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,400
operating efficiencies of those

2495
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:13,040
facilities. So, we would continue to see

2496
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:15,040
the similar hydro bills, natural gas

2497
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:17,600
bills, things like that. and we would

2498
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:19,760
continue to operize in a decentralized

2499
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,440
administration. So right now there is

2500
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:25,639
administration at at least four

2501
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:25,639
facilities throughout the municipality.

2502
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,480
Option two would be to look at explore

2503
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:32,639
multi-use facility.

2504
01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:34,480
So in the report I specifically talked

2505
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:37,119
about bucketing everything together

2506
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:39,040
administration and recreation.

2507
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:40,639
going through a study like this, it may

2508
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:44,080
make more sense that administration is

2509
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:46,960
kept separately. Maybe here out to this

2510
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:49,360
piece of property and the recreations

2511
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:50,480
are bucketed together. Um, or maybe it

2512
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,239
does make the most sense that

2513
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:55,679
everything's put into one central

2514
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:57,360
facility. We can see throughout kind of

2515
01:51:55,679 --> 01:52:00,400
our neighboring municipalities when you

2516
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:02,239
go to Sagen Shores, the arena, the pool,

2517
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:04,159
and the administration facilities are

2518
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:05,920
together. Um when we go somewhere like

2519
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:07,840
Stainer, you've see you can see the

2520
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,760
library is with the arena. So there's

2521
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:13,880
lots of different examples of what other

2522
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:13,880
municipalities have done

2523
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:17,440
within the within this recommendation.

2524
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:19,760
Staff would be looking at budgeting

2525
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:21,760
about $200,000 to complete this

2526
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,599
assessment. This assessment would

2527
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:25,679
include a lot of public and council

2528
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:28,400
outreach to gather what the community

2529
01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:30,000
wants and what the community needs. Um a

2530
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,960
concept development. So, you know, a

2531
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,199
high level concept of what potentially

2532
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,880
could be built, what type of amenities

2533
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:38,320
the building would include, and whether

2534
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,239
it would be, you know, one or two

2535
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:42,320
facilities.

2536
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:44,000
And then a a you know, a central part

2537
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:46,000
would be a funding strategy. How are we

2538
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:48,480
going to pay for for a facility of this

2539
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:51,119
size? Um looking at possible grant

2540
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:53,440
opportunities, looking at a potential

2541
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:54,719
partnerships with, you know, the YMCA.

2542
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:57,280
We have a partnership with them with the

2543
01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:58,960
Blue Dolphin uh pool right now. also

2544
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:00,400
looking potentially at the Department of

2545
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:02,800
National Defense and whether there would

2546
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:05,679
be any any appetite for a partnership

2547
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:07,360
there. So, this study would would dig

2548
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:10,480
into those a lot more to see if there

2549
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:12,400
was possibilities there.

2550
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:13,760
Um, some pros of this approach would be,

2551
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,520
you know, your consolidation of your

2552
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:18,400
three administration hubs into one

2553
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:20,159
administration center. Um, increased uh

2554
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:22,000
energy efficiencies. We would be looking

2555
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:24,880
at, you know, making these buildings as

2556
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:26,560
close to net zero as possible. uh a

2557
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:28,239
potential for additional services to be

2558
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:30,320
offered to the public including walking

2559
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:32,080
track, multisport gymnasium, and

2560
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,520
exercise center. We would also be

2561
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:35,280
potentially looking at bringing the pool

2562
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:37,440
indoors. Then it can be used all year

2563
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:39,360
round rather than just the summer

2564
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:41,440
months. And then the ability to

2565
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:43,840
repurpose current facilities or that

2566
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:46,400
land that those facilities sit on. Um

2567
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:49,599
some cons to this this option would be

2568
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:52,159
there's a large, you know, capital cost.

2569
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:54,719
This is the larger capital cost option.

2570
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:57,280
It's hard to say exactly what a facility

2571
01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:59,440
like this would cost. Um I did put into

2572
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:02,480
the report you probably would be looking

2573
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:04,480
at the $60 to $80 million mark. Um I

2574
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:06,880
believe that's what God has recently

2575
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:08,400
spent on their facility. And then there

2576
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:10,719
would be a significant impact on the

2577
01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:12,480
operating budget with additional staff

2578
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:14,560
uh requirements. You you know if there

2579
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:17,760
is a pool that's open all year round, we

2580
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:19,520
need pool attendance. Um having the

2581
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:21,199
facility just simply cleaned at the end

2582
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:23,840
of every day and things like that. So we

2583
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:25,840
would see large operating impacts.

2584
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:28,239
Again, that would be picked up within

2585
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:31,199
that study about what the ongoing impact

2586
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:34,239
would be on the uh municipal tax rate.

2587
01:54:31,199 --> 01:54:37,360
So with that, I'll uh I'll pause and

2588
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:38,880
I'll am available for any questions.

2589
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:42,000
» I'd like to thank you very much for the

2590
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:44,639
report uh Sam. It it is probably the

2591
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:47,520
most important discussion we may have uh

2592
01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:50,000
in our term here and uh I regret that we

2593
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,920
only have maybe you know 40 minutes or

2594
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:55,360
something to devote to it but at this

2595
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:57,440
time um councelor Yuri you can start.

2596
01:54:55,360 --> 01:55:00,000
» Thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you Sam.

2597
01:54:57,440 --> 01:55:01,360
Yeah it's a big one obviously um I know

2598
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,040
you go out and you talk to a lot of the

2599
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:05,040
public and a lot of people that have

2600
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:06,639
certainly talked to me about it

2601
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:10,000
everybody would love the concept of the

2602
01:55:06,639 --> 01:55:11,840
multi-use facility assessment. So, um,

2603
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,679
it's interesting when you said 60 to 80

2604
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:15,920
because I did started to look at a lot

2605
01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:17,280
of research around as well and it was

2606
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,400
interesting because I was really

2607
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:21,760
thinking that would probably be more

2608
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:22,960
like in the 80 to 120 realistically and

2609
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,880
you looked at a lot of the other

2610
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,159
competitors. Godidge was one but a lot

2611
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,000
of the other ones were certainly higher

2612
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:30,239
than that. So, I guess the question is

2613
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,920
twofold. One is I mean obviously it's

2614
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:34,560
not just this because trying to do this

2615
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:36,800
in concert with another maj major

2616
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:38,159
purchase i.e. wastewater plant somewhere

2617
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:40,480
down the road is two big chunks of

2618
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:42,000
change to bite. Um you did mention about

2619
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,159
partnerships and one thing you didn't

2620
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:46,080
mention in there and when we go to AMO

2621
01:55:44,159 --> 01:55:48,960
and Roman places like that they always

2622
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:51,840
talk about um cooperation between

2623
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:56,080
municipalities not just working with

2624
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:58,239
like the um DoD or Y but literally

2625
01:55:56,080 --> 01:56:00,159
looking at like a Blue Mountains or or

2626
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:01,760
Grey Highlands who are neighboring who

2627
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:03,520
might also benefit from a poolled

2628
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:06,800
facility like that. So hopefully that

2629
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:09,360
would come into vogue as well. But my

2630
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:12,480
question is that when you talked about

2631
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:14,320
budgeting 200,000 for 2027, seems to me

2632
01:56:12,480 --> 01:56:17,280
that we already did budget like a couple

2633
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:22,239
hundred,000 to look at the harbor and

2634
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:24,400
the urban meford kind of um master plan.

2635
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:27,360
This to me, even though this doesn't

2636
01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:30,159
fall under those two geographical

2637
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:33,119
probably locations, it seems to me that

2638
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:35,199
this is a big part of that overall

2639
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:36,400
conversation because not only with the

2640
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:37,840
harbor, what it's going to look like and

2641
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:40,960
how it's going to, you know, be assessed

2642
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:42,719
for the benefit of for all, but the

2643
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:44,480
urban downtown, but this becomes almost

2644
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:46,480
a third part. This becomes almost a

2645
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:50,159
triumphant. And I was just wondering, is

2646
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:51,920
there a way that that should be melded?

2647
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:54,800
So, if we're going to get a consultant

2648
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:56,639
to look at that anyway, should we be

2649
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:58,320
doing that as well? Because in the

2650
01:56:56,639 --> 01:57:00,560
public, it almost seems like we would be

2651
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:02,320
doing a public input to talk about those

2652
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:03,920
things and then we were doing a public

2653
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:06,159
input to talk about that and there's a

2654
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:08,000
lot of overlap. So, there is there a way

2655
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:10,400
that we could kind of combine those

2656
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:13,800
agencies and and have that as a much

2657
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:13,800
larger conversation.

2658
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:20,239
» Uh, thank you and through you, Mr.

2659
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:22,480
Mayor. Uh both really great questions

2660
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:23,920
and great points and yes we would to

2661
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,440
kind of answer your first part we would

2662
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:28,159
look to our surrounding municipalities

2663
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:29,840
to see if there were any partnership uh

2664
01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:31,199
that could be done there. One that jumps

2665
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:32,639
out to me would be Chadzsworth who's

2666
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:36,480
recently decided not to move forward

2667
01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:37,520
with an arena. Um yes we could look at

2668
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,119
something like that. The way I

2669
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:41,199
structured this with that was that this

2670
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:44,320
would come back through the 2027 budget

2671
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:45,840
process to be considered by council at

2672
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:48,320
that time and if approved staff would

2673
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:50,080
then move forward with it. So, we can do

2674
01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:52,960
kind of one of two things. We can either

2675
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:54,719
bring this one forward and potentially

2676
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,800
look at approving something like this

2677
01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:59,920
today with final approval by council on

2678
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:02,159
the 27th because the harbor downtown

2679
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:03,760
project has not been initiated to date.

2680
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:05,360
Um, so we could look at, you know,

2681
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:07,360
increasing that budget, changing that

2682
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:10,159
scope and and bundling this all

2683
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:12,560
together. or we could go the other way

2684
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:14,880
and leave this for the 2027 budget

2685
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:18,320
deliberations and not do the downtown

2686
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:20,400
harbor until 2027. Um, so I would leave

2687
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:22,960
that up to council's direction and how

2688
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:24,880
they wanted to handle it.

2689
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:26,719
» Deputy Mayor,

2690
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I appreciate

2691
01:58:26,719 --> 01:58:30,960
both the report and your comments,

2692
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:32,719
Director Dinsmore. And I guess too it

2693
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:34,239
would be depend on the consultants who

2694
01:58:32,719 --> 01:58:36,400
were hired whether or not they had the

2695
01:58:34,239 --> 01:58:39,520
skill set to look at recreation

2696
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:41,679
facilities and you know the downtown and

2697
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:43,520
harbors. So that that would remain to be

2698
01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:44,960
seen. But I'm I'm just really pleased

2699
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:46,320
that we're having the opportunity to

2700
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,000
have this discussion. I think it's

2701
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:50,239
important that we give consideration to

2702
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:52,560
the future of these facilities. I mean

2703
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:55,360
we know that wreck facilities are a draw

2704
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:57,360
to communities and and uh I know friends

2705
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,599
in God would say that their wreck

2706
01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:01,840
complex has helped them attract doctors.

2707
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:03,760
So that there's some merit in that as

2708
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:05,679
well for us to consider and you

2709
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,520
mentioned uh you know various facilities

2710
01:59:05,679 --> 01:59:09,360
and it would be my assumption you'd also

2711
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:12,159
be looking at pickle ball courts and

2712
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:14,159
partnering with that organization and I

2713
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:16,560
know the lawnballing group are concerned

2714
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:18,400
about you know potential future flooding

2715
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:20,080
again and and you know could they be

2716
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,639
part of this. So I think there's just

2717
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:25,280
lots of opportunity to uh to build upon

2718
01:59:22,639 --> 01:59:27,199
what's been uh said here today. So, I'm

2719
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:29,520
I'm just excited to see this come

2720
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:32,159
forward into the 2027 budget and to have

2721
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:34,480
an opportunity to to explore and I think

2722
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:36,800
you've you've touched on, you know, how

2723
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:38,400
we might continue to maintain current

2724
01:59:36,800 --> 01:59:39,840
facilities in the process because it

2725
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:42,000
will take a number of years to bring

2726
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:44,480
this to fruition, but I think we would

2727
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:46,080
want to be very mindful of what

2728
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,679
investments we made in our existing

2729
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:50,320
facilities, but we would need to keep

2730
01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:51,440
them uh limping along. So, thank you

2731
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:53,840
very much, Sam. I

2732
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:57,760
» Think councelor Bell, you're next.

2733
01:59:53,840 --> 02:00:00,000
Thanks, Mr. Mayor. So, uh, the report is

2734
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:03,520
something that, uh, I guess in the back

2735
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,159
of mind of, uh, current council members.

2736
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:08,719
We've seen reports where our long-term

2737
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:10,400
debentures on a lot of facilities have,

2738
02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:12,960
uh, got themselves now that they're

2739
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:15,679
getting almost paid off, but I don't

2740
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:18,159
think any of us here thought that, you

2741
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:20,400
know, we're not going to incur costs on

2742
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:24,480
those buildings just because we've got

2743
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:27,520
the main debenture paid for. Um, as far

2744
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:30,960
as direction today, um, I think sitting

2745
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:34,719
here that if we tell staff to maintain a

2746
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:37,760
status quo, uh, this this major subject

2747
02:00:34,719 --> 02:00:41,920
matter, uh, will definitely be in front

2748
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:43,599
of the new council. And when we consider

2749
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:46,560
the number of people who are our

2750
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:49,679
taxpayers, we run with about $22 million

2751
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:51,840
of tax supported money. Um I mean we

2752
02:00:49,679 --> 02:00:54,719
talked about the need for the wastewater

2753
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:57,599
treatment plant. I mean the needs and

2754
02:00:54,719 --> 02:01:00,159
the desires of this community.

2755
02:00:57,599 --> 02:01:03,119
Name the percentage higher than what our

2756
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:06,320
purse can actually handle. So that is

2757
02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:08,800
the big discussion really in my mind.

2758
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:13,119
This is a service level that we need to

2759
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:16,159
do and uh I appreciate comments about

2760
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:18,639
looking to other municipalities.

2761
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:21,360
What do they need? what they don't have,

2762
02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:24,239
what they could have. But I think when I

2763
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:26,800
see numbers like this and we just had a

2764
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:30,400
report about how much money we've got in

2765
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:33,360
our reserves. Um and then given the

2766
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:37,360
dynamics of of of our society where

2767
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:41,760
we're at today. Um,

2768
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:44,080
not not to say that the rural people

2769
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:47,040
don't appreciate things that might be

2770
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:50,000
available to them, but when we start

2771
02:01:47,040 --> 02:01:51,840
talking about these tens of millions of

2772
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:54,239
dollars

2773
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:55,760
and we really have to come up with a

2774
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:59,840
decision

2775
02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:01,599
on how we promote or how we get

2776
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:06,080
feedback,

2777
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:09,280
buy in. Should a future council do this?

2778
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:11,679
I think that this this subject matter is

2779
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:14,719
just saying that I've met people

2780
02:02:11,679 --> 02:02:16,960
recently that their service level that

2781
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:21,040
they've experienced in other places in

2782
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:23,760
Ontario is top shelf and then I tell

2783
02:02:21,040 --> 02:02:26,080
them that we've got a beer budget

2784
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,840
and that's kind of where we're at. We

2785
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:31,360
need to be in our means because we can

2786
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:34,239
overstep our our own ability to repay.

2787
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:36,639
we can overstep that immediately

2788
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:39,599
and I don't think we should do that and

2789
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:43,199
I think that this major subject matter

2790
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:46,000
is is for the future council and uh for

2791
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:47,520
my myself today if you need something to

2792
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:51,599
move forward to know what you need to

2793
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:53,920
put in for opening remarks for 2027

2794
02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:56,320
for the mayor at that time to consider

2795
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:58,239
what that might look like I think I'd

2796
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:00,239
like to just say status quo this

2797
02:02:58,239 --> 02:03:01,360
afternoon and we can start there in the

2798
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:03,119
future

2799
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:06,880
Thanks.

2800
02:03:03,119 --> 02:03:09,280
» Um, councelor Greenfield.

2801
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:12,400
» Thank you, your worship. Thanks, uh, Mr.

2802
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:15,280
Timsmore for bringing this forward. Um,

2803
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:18,080
I have a couple of concerns with this.

2804
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:21,199
First, first of all, just a comment. We,

2805
02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:24,320
not too long ago, we had a facility

2806
02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:27,199
report from,

2807
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:31,280
I'm sure if it was Hamson or Watson, uh,

2808
02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:36,400
one of those two. uh and uh I'm I'm

2809
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:39,119
hoping that report could be utilized

2810
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:41,119
somewhat uh for anything in the future.

2811
02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:46,400
Uh there was quite a bit of detail in

2812
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:51,119
there and uh and uh

2813
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:55,440
I estimates on the longevity ahead of

2814
02:03:51,119 --> 02:04:00,000
some of our buildings. I uh

2815
02:03:55,440 --> 02:04:02,400
when I first read this, I thought

2816
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:04,480
and I still think I I think this is a

2817
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:09,679
decision that should be left for the

2818
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:13,280
next council uh to make. uh we are going

2819
02:04:09,679 --> 02:04:17,360
to have some new members on that uh on

2820
02:04:13,280 --> 02:04:22,400
that establishment and this is a huge hu

2821
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:26,159
potentially huge huge uh investment uh

2822
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:31,040
obligation. We know something does have

2823
02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:34,800
to be done. Uh some of our facilities,

2824
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:38,480
a number of them are uh uh getting on

2825
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:42,080
the uh uh

2826
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:47,280
the the old side of their uh of their

2827
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:49,760
tenure. Uh certainly the the pool uh

2828
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:53,440
even the the St. the Meford St. Vincent

2829
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:56,239
Community Center uh which is

2830
02:04:53,440 --> 02:05:00,560
approximately 50 years old. We have to

2831
02:04:56,239 --> 02:05:03,679
remember the the arena

2832
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,639
before what we have now, it only lasted

2833
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:10,320
25 years. So

2834
02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:14,599
if you compare the two, this one's quite

2835
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:14,599
an age. I guess

2836
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:22,560
I certainly there should be cost

2837
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:24,880
efficiencies of combining

2838
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:28,320
everything into

2839
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:30,480
one huge complex.

2840
02:05:28,320 --> 02:05:32,639
But

2841
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:35,520
again, when I first read this, I

2842
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:39,840
thought, hey, this is, you know, where

2843
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:42,400
this is all have to be located.

2844
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:46,199
That's in the urban area on on the

2845
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:46,199
services. Um,

2846
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:51,679
we could have

2847
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:53,199
an administration office in the rural

2848
02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:56,560
area.

2849
02:05:53,199 --> 02:06:00,159
uh this I I I

2850
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:02,400
hope that is kept in mind. We could have

2851
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:06,159
a council chambers

2852
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:11,360
in the rural area. We are a big

2853
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:16,320
geographical municipality. So um

2854
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:20,000
those are my two concerns. one is uh

2855
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:22,800
I'm not I feel uneasy for this council

2856
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:25,440
to commit to something and and I know

2857
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:27,040
it's in its infancy, but even then

2858
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:29,119
there's there's going to be a record of

2859
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:31,520
that. Miss Miss Wilton Seiguel is going

2860
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:34,639
to make sure this this gets in the

2861
02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:38,320
record. So that's my first problem. And

2862
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:42,560
the second problem is I

2863
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:46,400
I I I really hope in a in an attempt to

2864
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:48,480
reach out to our rural residents, uh it

2865
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:52,000
is not a given

2866
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:55,760
something like all all of these services

2867
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:57,760
have to be downtown mefort

2868
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:00,639
thinking.

2869
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:02,239
» I'm looking to uh councelor Anderson,

2870
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:05,199
councelor Ford, do you wish to speak to

2871
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:06,400
this? So, go ahead, please.

2872
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:08,000
» Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor, and I

2873
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:10,400
appreciate the discussion here, and I'm

2874
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:12,560
sort of in line with um councelor

2875
02:07:10,400 --> 02:07:14,800
Greenfield and councelor Bell is that um

2876
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:16,239
I this is a very important decision. I

2877
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:19,119
think it'd be best to leave this to the

2878
02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:20,400
next term of council to decide. Um and

2879
02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:21,920
so, I'll just leave it at that for now.

2880
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:23,840
Thank you,

2881
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,480
» Councelor.

2882
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:26,639
Thank you, [clears throat]

2883
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:28,800
Mr. Mayor. Uh similarly, I think it

2884
02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:31,280
would be best for the next council to

2885
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:33,280
decide though while we're talking about

2886
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:36,400
it. I guess it might be helpful to sort

2887
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:38,079
of put my thoughts in. Thinking of cost

2888
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:40,480
efficiency, I worry about whether or not

2889
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:43,199
that would be uh sort of scrubbed by

2890
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:46,159
having to pay a huge debt uh to be able

2891
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:50,560
to do it. Um, so I don't I I'm not sure

2892
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:53,360
that that would be uh,

2893
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:56,880
you know, a sort of like a useful um,

2894
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:58,560
argument for it, but I just don't feel

2895
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:01,280
that we're a municipality that's big

2896
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:03,920
enough to to sort of justify a project

2897
02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:06,239
that large. Um, especially considering

2898
02:08:03,920 --> 02:08:08,400
um, we're struggling to figure out how

2899
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:11,760
we're going to get the water treatment

2900
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:13,040
um, situation uh, sorted. Um, I think

2901
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:17,040
this is something that would be very

2902
02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:18,639
nice to have. Um, but I I just don't

2903
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:22,079
think we're there. I don't think that

2904
02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:23,280
that's what this municipality is. Um, I

2905
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:26,639
think we're very lucky to have the

2906
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:28,480
services and and um options uh that we

2907
02:08:26,639 --> 02:08:31,920
have, the recreation options that we

2908
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:34,639
have. Um, and keeping them going is is

2909
02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:36,159
expensive and we it it's known to be

2910
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:38,320
expensive. Talking to members of the

2911
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:40,239
community, it comes up a lot about how

2912
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:43,119
expensive it is. But if we then double

2913
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:46,159
down on something that is

2914
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:48,800
massively expensive, uh I just I I don't

2915
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:50,639
know that that would that would sit well

2916
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:52,320
um with with with a lot of the

2917
02:08:50,639 --> 02:08:56,719
municipality, a lot of our a lot of our

2918
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:58,960
neighbors. Um so yeah, today I would I

2919
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:00,800
would be most comfortable uh seeing what

2920
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:03,199
the ne voting to see what the next

2921
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:05,840
council thinks.

2922
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:08,960
» Um I just [clears throat] I I'd like to

2923
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:11,199
weigh in on this as well. So, uh, do we

2924
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:13,360
want to u uh do you have something you

2925
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:15,679
want to start answering? I I I'd like to

2926
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:17,360
just make three points if I could. This

2927
02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:22,239
is coming from somebody who's lived in

2928
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:25,199
Meford since 19 uh 56.

2929
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:28,000
And uh I was a young man then, I'm an

2930
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:30,000
old man now. And so it's I I just want

2931
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:32,400
to share with you how from my

2932
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:34,800
perspective how this looks. U the first

2933
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:37,440
thing is I I see two projects. I think

2934
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:39,679
that uh I would divide recreation uh

2935
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:41,280
which is multifaceted and and

2936
02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:43,599
administration. I would divide those

2937
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,960
into two projects and I would say that

2938
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:47,599
uh it's important that the

2939
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:49,840
administration perhap it can maybe go uh

2940
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:51,840
rural or urban. Uh I think there are

2941
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:54,800
real merits in in having it in the urban

2942
02:09:51,840 --> 02:09:57,119
center. Uh but I think that uh if if

2943
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:59,280
we're going to look at involving uh

2944
02:09:57,119 --> 02:10:03,360
other communities, uh we should be very

2945
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:06,000
open to uh a rural destination for a a

2946
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:09,040
rec center. Um the second thing I want

2947
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:11,360
to say is uh I regret to inform you that

2948
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:12,960
I do not I don't have a lot of

2949
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:15,119
confidence that our boundaries will

2950
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:17,360
always be what they are today. I think

2951
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:20,480
the Ford government is likely going to

2952
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:23,920
change things uh before it is done and

2953
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:26,000
um we may be part of a we may be either

2954
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:28,719
a much smaller municipality than we are

2955
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:30,719
now or or part of a great big

2956
02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:32,880
amalgamation and I have no idea what

2957
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:36,159
might be coming. And the third thing is

2958
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:38,400
with respect to councelor Bell's points,

2959
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:40,159
um

2960
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:43,520
I think it's very important to realize

2961
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:45,760
that a lot many many millions of dollars

2962
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:49,119
are coming to municipalities of all

2963
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:51,440
sizes for these recreational projects.

2964
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:53,119
And if we don't have a plan and if we

2965
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:57,040
don't have a vision for where we're

2966
02:10:53,119 --> 02:10:59,760
going, uh we won't be we won't be

2967
02:10:57,040 --> 02:11:03,280
getting our fair share.

2968
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:06,320
And if we wait for uh the next council

2969
02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:08,079
or it waits for the next council, uh I'm

2970
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:10,719
not sure those funds will continue to be

2971
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:13,040
available. And from what I have seen,

2972
02:11:10,719 --> 02:11:17,040
it's critically important that uh

2973
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:19,920
improvements to uh to our uh our pool

2974
02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:24,480
and to our arena are something that we

2975
02:11:19,920 --> 02:11:27,199
can't start soon enough to deal with.

2976
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:28,800
Um I guess we'll go around one more time

2977
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:30,000
and then we'll come back to staff. Thank

2978
02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:31,280
you, Council Eric.

2979
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,880
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for

2980
02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:35,679
your last comment because the one thing

2981
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:38,639
I did want to say, and I and I do 100%

2982
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:41,360
appreciate the concern about the overall

2983
02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:43,920
massive expense. To that regard, I will

2984
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:47,119
say the problem being is is to your

2985
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:49,520
point twofold. One is the further you

2986
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:51,199
kick it down the road, a few years ago,

2987
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:54,000
a wastewater plant would have cost us

2988
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:57,520
$30 million. Now, it's going to cost us

2989
02:11:54,000 --> 02:12:00,000
$120 million. this put off another 5 10

2990
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:02,320
years what is it going to cost then to

2991
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:04,480
do it and at that point when does your

2992
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:06,480
actual facilities become end of life and

2993
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:09,199
then what do you do but I can still

2994
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:11,040
think moreover to your point again as

2995
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:12,639
well about boundaries may potentially

2996
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:15,199
shifting but I think that's why it's

2997
02:12:12,639 --> 02:12:17,360
also paramount and I again cannot stress

2998
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:20,960
enough how many

2999
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:23,920
um at how many conferences you hear it

3000
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:27,040
is so vital that municipalities need to

3001
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:29,679
get together to try and share costs to

3002
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:31,599
to to share these kind of facilities

3003
02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:32,800
because you're right, Blue Mountains

3004
02:12:31,599 --> 02:12:34,000
can't afford this by themselves,

3005
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,920
Chadzsworth can't afford it by

3006
02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:38,239
themselves, Greyhound, but if you put it

3007
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:40,239
together, then you all can maybe take a

3008
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:43,280
bite out of it and do it. So that's why

3009
02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:44,880
I just think and without taking a step

3010
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:46,239
forward and I'm fine with it being in

3011
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:48,320
the next council, if we're putting it

3012
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:49,920
forward literally six months for that

3013
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:52,159
conversation, I have no problem with

3014
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:53,840
that. But I have real concerns about it

3015
02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:55,840
getting kicked further and further and

3016
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:57,760
further out and it gets more expensive

3017
02:12:55,840 --> 02:13:00,639
and then then you're in a situation

3018
02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:03,232
where we just may not have any at some

3019
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,760
point down the road. So your point is so

3020
02:13:03,232 --> 02:13:06,079
[snorts]

3021
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:08,960
apt I think that if you don't at least

3022
02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:11,040
plan for it, you will not have the

3023
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:13,199
availability to potentially do it.

3024
02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:15,840
That's why at least a plan I think to

3025
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:17,280
look at what could be done is more

3026
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,440
important than sitting back and going ah

3027
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:21,360
let's just put band-aids on everything.

3028
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:25,239
I think councelor Greenfield, I don't

3029
02:13:21,360 --> 02:13:25,239
think he's spoken yet, please.

3030
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:31,760
» Okay, deputy mayor.

3031
02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:33,440
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And yeah, I

3032
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:35,520
think we all recognize that this is a

3033
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:37,520
multi-year process that is going to have

3034
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:40,320
some really difficult decisions attached

3035
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:42,560
to it. But I just want to clarify what

3036
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:43,840
is being asked of us here today, which I

3037
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:48,960
believe if I'm correct, Director

3038
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:51,280
Dinsmore, is to um provide a

3039
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:54,320
recommendation to yourself to include in

3040
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:57,040
the 2027 budget $200,000

3041
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:58,960
to undertake a study to give some

3042
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:01,280
direction to the next council as to what

3043
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:03,360
they might be looking at in terms of

3044
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:05,119
recreation facilities, administration

3045
02:14:03,360 --> 02:14:06,480
facilities, and and they would be

3046
02:14:05,119 --> 02:14:09,199
charged then with making those

3047
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:10,400
decisions. Am I correct in uh that

3048
02:14:09,199 --> 02:14:11,920
assumption?

3049
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:14,320
» Uh thank you and through you Mr. Mayor.

3050
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:16,560
Oh 100%. This report is looking for some

3051
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:19,679
direction on what to include in the 2027

3052
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:23,199
budget. It is not appro preapproving the

3053
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:24,239
2027 budget. Um without this report

3054
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,719
there may not have been anything

3055
02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:29,520
included in the 2027 budget except for

3056
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:32,960
maybe some facility capital requirements

3057
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:34,719
just for that in year. Um staff wanted

3058
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:37,440
to take a bit of a holistic approach to

3059
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:40,000
this. So what could happen as an example

3060
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:42,400
if council was to go with option one the

3061
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:44,000
status quo and staff puts in the 15

3062
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:47,280
million or 12 million over the five

3063
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:48,880
years we could get to 2027 the new

3064
02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:51,040
council is making the decision they

3065
02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:53,280
could at that point say no no take all

3066
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:55,520
that out put the $200,000 and we want to

3067
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:57,760
do the study and that would be allowed.

3068
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:59,679
So we're not making any decisions. What

3069
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:02,159
we're doing is giving the next council a

3070
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:03,599
starting point for how they want these

3071
02:15:02,159 --> 02:15:06,320
recreational facilities and

3072
02:15:03,599 --> 02:15:08,480
administrative facilities to operate. Um

3073
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:12,320
I will just make one quick comment on uh

3074
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:14,000
the mayor's point. All new grants coming

3075
02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:16,239
from the province and the federal

3076
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:18,560
government include a must be shovel

3077
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:19,760
ready, right? Must be ready to go

3078
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:22,000
whether it's ready to go with the

3079
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:24,880
engineering or ready to go with the um

3080
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:26,880
the actual construction. So having the

3081
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:30,400
public consultation, which is what that

3082
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:33,280
200,000 really would be done so we know

3083
02:15:30,400 --> 02:15:36,560
what we're building, um would allow us

3084
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:39,040
better would give us better information

3085
02:15:36,560 --> 02:15:41,520
for those grant applications

3086
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:44,159
because we would know what we want to

3087
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:46,560
include. Um staff have made no

3088
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:49,119
assumptions as to what a recreational

3089
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:51,679
facility includes. It may include a

3090
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:53,360
pool, it may not. We don't know. Um, we

3091
02:15:51,679 --> 02:15:55,840
again we we would like to go through

3092
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:58,320
this process to figure out what the

3093
02:15:55,840 --> 02:16:00,320
community wants and what it's going to

3094
02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:01,920
cost the community. I was always told

3095
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:04,079
that if you ask someone if they want a

3096
02:16:01,920 --> 02:16:05,199
Ferrari, they're going to say yes until

3097
02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:07,199
you tell them how much it's going to

3098
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:08,880
cost. And that's what this is doing,

3099
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:10,079
right? If we went out to the public

3100
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:11,840
right now and said, "Do you want an

3101
02:16:10,079 --> 02:16:14,000
indoor gym? Do you want an indoor pool?

3102
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:15,599
Do you want a new arena?" Everybody is

3103
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:18,320
going to say yes. But we need to make

3104
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:21,040
sure that everybody knows what that will

3105
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:23,520
do for their annual property taxes.

3106
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:26,000
Without this 200,000, it's very hard to

3107
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:28,079
answer that question.

3108
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:29,119
» I'm going to go to councelor Renis and

3109
02:16:28,079 --> 02:16:29,840
I'll come back to you, councelor

3110
02:16:29,119 --> 02:16:32,399
Greenfield.

3111
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:33,519
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, you've changed

3112
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:36,000
my thinking a little bit. So, I

3113
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:38,000
appreciate that. It sounds to me like we

3114
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:40,319
need to go with option two to make it

3115
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:43,760
possible for the future council to make

3116
02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:45,920
that decision. So in that case um I

3117
02:16:43,760 --> 02:16:48,719
could change my thinking and go with

3118
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:51,760
option two.

3119
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:54,399
» Uh councelor Greenfield.

3120
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:58,080
» Thanks uh thanks to worship and uh

3121
02:16:54,399 --> 02:17:02,719
thanks again Mr. Dinsm. Uh I'm still uh

3122
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:07,359
uneasy about this. Uh I I

3123
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:13,359
it's it's wonderful to look at

3124
02:17:07,359 --> 02:17:17,040
the big picture uh forward vision. Uh

3125
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:21,519
I I'm just not sure if our municipality

3126
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:23,840
is quite there yet. And I'm somewhat

3127
02:17:21,519 --> 02:17:26,000
afraid that by

3128
02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:27,760
looking at too many of these big ticket

3129
02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:29,920
items,

3130
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:34,240
there may be

3131
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:39,200
an exclusion of the basics.

3132
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:43,479
We've got streets. We've got roads

3133
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:43,479
that are not in good shape.

3134
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:49,679
basic transportation items that gets

3135
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:53,319
everybody from home to work to to

3136
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:53,319
pleasure hopefully.

3137
02:17:53,840 --> 02:18:00,160
lot of this we've talked about grants

3138
02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:04,000
and yes there are grants out there but

3139
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:08,880
you've got 444 municipalities in Ontario

3140
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:12,479
reaching out for them and uh the chances

3141
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:15,439
of uh our municipality they are as good

3142
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:20,160
as any of the others but there aren't

3143
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:22,719
444 huge grants out there I'm sure that

3144
02:18:20,160 --> 02:18:26,399
we're talking about maybe a $20 million

3145
02:18:22,719 --> 02:18:30,000
OP PP station that we may get a grant

3146
02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:32,800
for some of it. Uh

3147
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:35,120
we're trying to dredge a harbor and it's

3148
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:38,960
at least a half a million dollars just

3149
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:40,880
to get started on the dredging.

3150
02:18:38,960 --> 02:18:44,880
Um

3151
02:18:40,880 --> 02:18:48,080
I I really I mean it's it's great to

3152
02:18:44,880 --> 02:18:50,080
have a vision. It's great to have

3153
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:51,840
uh

3154
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:54,880
some kind of an idea of where you want

3155
02:18:51,840 --> 02:18:58,559
to go, but I I don't think we're there

3156
02:18:54,880 --> 02:19:01,280
yet. I I think we've got uh

3157
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:03,760
we're looking at third base, and I don't

3158
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:05,840
think we've got the first base yet. So,

3159
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:08,000
I

3160
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:10,000
I I just think it's premature. I think

3161
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:13,840
it's it's great to have a discussion.

3162
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:17,599
Yes, we know something has to be done

3163
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:22,399
likely within the next 101 15 years, but

3164
02:19:17,599 --> 02:19:23,679
um I'm not content to uh uh get into

3165
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:24,080
something today.

3166
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:26,000
» Thank you.

3167
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,719
» I think that CEO Everett would like to

3168
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:29,840
speak.

3169
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:31,920
» Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh just from a

3170
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:35,280
few years of in the community services

3171
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:37,840
and recreation aspect, um doing a

3172
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:40,319
feasibility study, you know, it's a it's

3173
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:42,639
a good start. Um, councelor Greenfield

3174
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:45,840
mentions we're on third base. I' I'd say

3175
02:19:42,639 --> 02:19:47,519
we're still in the dugout. Um, and and

3176
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:51,120
trying to get an idea of where we need

3177
02:19:47,519 --> 02:19:54,080
to go. Um, I could provide a a lengthy,

3178
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:57,520
very lengthy list of the facilities that

3179
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:59,760
need dramatic investment that we have

3180
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:01,280
today. whether it be a tennis court,

3181
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:04,240
whether it be a waterfront, whether it

3182
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:05,920
be a campground. Um,

3183
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:09,120
there's a lot of our facilities that are

3184
02:20:05,920 --> 02:20:15,040
extremely deficient in where they need

3185
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:18,720
to be. Um, having an idea of what the

3186
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:21,200
future of a of a pool is, an arena is,

3187
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:24,319
um, I would have to say a feasibility

3188
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:26,640
study would have to look at is it even a

3189
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:31,520
meer? Like you have to look at your your

3190
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:34,319
neighbors. Um the days of doing your own

3191
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:36,399
facility, in my opinion, are long gone

3192
02:20:34,319 --> 02:20:39,840
because each municipality can't bear the

3193
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:42,800
cost. Um I can tell you the the arena uh

3194
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:45,840
the new new complex in Wasaga Beach cost

3195
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:48,880
about $60 million. Uh in 2021, I believe

3196
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:50,640
it was budgeted for $43 million. By the

3197
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:52,960
time it was constructed, it was at 60

3198
02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:56,240
million. Over a course of two years, it

3199
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:58,479
it increased. Um,

3200
02:20:56,240 --> 02:21:01,040
we need to get a vision though. Uh, we

3201
02:20:58,479 --> 02:21:05,439
need to really reflect on what we have

3202
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:08,080
today. Um, because, you know, I've been

3203
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:11,040
here just over a year now and I'm really

3204
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:12,960
starting to recognize that what we

3205
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:14,800
thought some facilities just needed in

3206
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:17,120
repairs,

3207
02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:22,399
they're they really need complete re

3208
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:25,359
redu. um they've they've had some um

3209
02:21:22,399 --> 02:21:28,160
facial surgery on them um but the bones

3210
02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:31,120
and the structure are gone. When you're

3211
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:35,359
talking about facilities that are 1966,

3212
02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:39,600
1930 something um they do not owe the

3213
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:41,760
municipality anything. Um, but it it is

3214
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:43,680
really a time that we need to look at

3215
02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:46,560
what are the nice to haves to councelor

3216
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:49,680
Bell's point. Uh, and what what the

3217
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:53,840
needs truly are. I I've heard lots about

3218
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:55,600
our roads. Um, and I would have to say

3219
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:58,479
that that's got to be one of the

3220
02:21:55,600 --> 02:22:00,880
priorities. I think the why I like this

3221
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:03,600
report coming forward

3222
02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:05,600
today was not so much that this council

3223
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:07,680
was being put in a position to make a

3224
02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:10,240
decision that the future council was

3225
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:12,080
going to be tied to. I think it's a

3226
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:15,920
really good report for the future

3227
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:18,960
council to understand going into 2027

3228
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:21,600
and the next term of council

3229
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:24,160
the issues that they're going to have.

3230
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,520
Um that's that's what I'm looking

3231
02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:28,800
forward to. I believe that's what

3232
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:33,359
staff's job is is to really put it into

3233
02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:37,200
the public um uh information in the

3234
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:40,640
public sphere to understand that we need

3235
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:43,040
to build this municipality. Um and we

3236
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:44,560
need to sort of

3237
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:46,319
really take a look at what are the

3238
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:48,399
services that we're providing and what

3239
02:22:46,319 --> 02:22:52,560
we need to provide because we can't be

3240
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:55,280
everything to everyone. Um so um I think

3241
02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:58,160
2027 having that discussion in in in a

3242
02:22:55,280 --> 02:23:01,359
budget uh deliberation irregardless if

3243
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:04,000
it's fa is if it's uh status quo or not

3244
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:06,319
um I think this discussion has served

3245
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:09,040
the next term of council well already if

3246
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:12,319
people are thinking about running and

3247
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:15,040
you know the public's listening to this

3248
02:23:12,319 --> 02:23:16,800
um I very rarely go into the arena

3249
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:19,439
without somebody saying to me oh when

3250
02:23:16,800 --> 02:23:22,000
are we going to get a new rink this this

3251
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:24,640
puts it at least on the radar. Um

3252
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:27,680
because to be honest with you, I we

3253
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:30,000
wouldn't need a double rink. Um I think

3254
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:32,240
there's huge benefit if you were to take

3255
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:34,640
a look at replacing a pool. You wouldn't

3256
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:36,560
replace it with an outdoor pool, right?

3257
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:39,120
There are there are some things that in

3258
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:41,359
my opinion from the recreation field are

3259
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:43,520
just given. Why why would you invest in

3260
02:23:41,359 --> 02:23:45,760
building an outdoor pool when at the end

3261
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:48,560
of the day you invest and you cover it

3262
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:51,200
and you get year- round use? So I think

3263
02:23:48,560 --> 02:23:54,000
the feasibility study like it it helps

3264
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:55,680
us and it helps us even I will say the

3265
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:57,359
feasibility study is not going to be

3266
02:23:55,680 --> 02:23:59,439
shovel ready. It that's not going to

3267
02:23:57,359 --> 02:24:02,479
give you a shovel ready project. It's

3268
02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:05,760
just going to give you the idea of what

3269
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:08,640
the facility needs to be made up of. So

3270
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:11,439
then you can start your engineering on

3271
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:14,399
having an actual shovel ready. the in

3272
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:16,720
the last two points, nothing in Sam's

3273
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:19,200
report was dictating whether or not this

3274
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:22,560
was going to be in a rural area or an

3275
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:26,080
urban area. Nothing in Sam's report also

3276
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:28,800
identified that the end the end product

3277
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:32,240
wasn't the existing facility.

3278
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:35,120
It was just can we focus on what do we

3279
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:37,840
need in the future? Um, I've seen way

3280
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:40,880
too many municipalities do these do

3281
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:44,399
these uh studies and it becomes just a

3282
02:24:40,880 --> 02:24:47,600
wish list and you get nothing. Calling

3283
02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:49,359
was a great example. 20 25 years ago I

3284
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:52,960
think it was they they were looking at

3285
02:24:49,359 --> 02:24:54,800
Fiser Field um and they opened up what

3286
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:58,080
everybody wants and they missed all

3287
02:24:54,800 --> 02:25:00,399
their funding opportunities and and you

3288
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:01,760
know at the end of the day they missed a

3289
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:04,640
really opportunity really big

3290
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:06,479
opportunity to centralize things. um

3291
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:08,960
were here

3292
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:11,040
like town of Blue Mountains and and

3293
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:12,399
calling with they just over the last two

3294
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:14,960
years looked at doing a feasibility

3295
02:25:12,399 --> 02:25:18,160
study and ended up deciding not to

3296
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:19,920
partner. Um so there's lots of there's

3297
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:21,760
lots of information that we have to look

3298
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:24,800
at. And the last piece just in regards

3299
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:26,560
to the harbor and downtown emerging

3300
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:28,880
those I personally think that would be

3301
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:30,880
the wrong thing because again that would

3302
02:25:28,880 --> 02:25:33,200
be assuming that what we're talking

3303
02:25:30,880 --> 02:25:35,920
about would be in the rural or in the

3304
02:25:33,200 --> 02:25:38,160
urban downtown area. Um I think the two

3305
02:25:35,920 --> 02:25:40,640
could go hand inand 100% but I think

3306
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:42,880
they're completely separate projects.

3307
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:46,319
» So now to proceed I need some advice

3308
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:48,880
from clerk Wilton Seagull. Um and here's

3309
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:51,840
the question. Uh the recommendation is

3310
02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:54,640
option X. We also have option one and

3311
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:57,600
option two. Uh will I look for a motion

3312
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:59,760
uh for option one first and vote on that

3313
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:01,439
and then

3314
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:03,520
Thank you, Risha. My recommendation to

3315
02:26:01,439 --> 02:26:05,520
council would be that if um a member of

3316
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:06,960
council feels that option one or option

3317
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:09,840
two is their preference that they put

3318
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:12,880
forward an amending motion to replace X

3319
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:14,560
with one and council can discuss that or

3320
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:16,000
alternatively if a member of council

3321
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:17,840
feels that option two should be

3322
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:19,840
discussed. Um they would put forward an

3323
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:22,080
amending motion for replacing it with

3324
02:26:19,840 --> 02:26:23,760
option two and then the debate can be

3325
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:24,800
had and the vote can be taken at that

3326
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:28,160
time.

3327
02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:32,399
And to be clear, option one is u to move

3328
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:35,280
forward uh spending uh 12 uh.6 million I

3329
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:38,319
think it is on uh repairs to existing

3330
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:42,800
facilities and option two is to budget

3331
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:45,200
200,000 for the 2027 um budget uh to

3332
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:47,520
have a study of uh requirements for

3333
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:49,600
these facilities.

3334
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:52,080
Councelor Yurig.

3335
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:55,040
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I on that basis

3336
02:26:52,080 --> 02:27:00,000
would recommend I would move that it be

3337
02:26:55,040 --> 02:27:02,240
option two. Been to too many act

3338
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:04,720
conferences recently where Stratford

3339
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:07,040
took big swings and ended up hitting

3340
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:08,160
home runs. If you don't have a you don't

3341
02:27:07,040 --> 02:27:10,720
have a map, you're not going to get

3342
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:13,600
anywhere.

3343
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:16,319
Um and is there a second for that? Are

3344
02:27:13,600 --> 02:27:18,000
you seconding that? Thank you. Okay. And

3345
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:19,600
does everybody understand uh we're going

3346
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:21,040
to call a vote on whether or not you

3347
02:27:19,600 --> 02:27:23,840
agree with option two, which is to

3348
02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:26,319
budget $200,000 for a study which will

3349
02:27:23,840 --> 02:27:28,160
give staff the direction they need to uh

3350
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:29,840
help the next council move forward on

3351
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:34,160
this whole issue. That's how I interpret

3352
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:35,760
it. Anyway, um um anyone have a question

3353
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:36,160
about what we're going to vote on?

3354
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:38,080
Councelor

3355
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:40,160
» Renis

3356
02:27:38,080 --> 02:27:41,600
more of a more of a comment. I'm just uh

3357
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:43,359
wanted to say out loud that I'm sort of

3358
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:46,399
approaching this like uh we spoke about

3359
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:48,560
earlier today in uh item on the agenda

3360
02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:51,359
9.1A

3361
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:53,200
uh where the report wasn't about

3362
02:27:51,359 --> 02:27:55,200
disposing of land. It was about

3363
02:27:53,200 --> 02:27:57,120
considering it as an opportunity talking

3364
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:59,120
to uh you know neighboring properties

3365
02:27:57,120 --> 02:28:01,760
talking to the community uh and

3366
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:04,160
exploring that option. So I'm seeing

3367
02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:05,600
nods from from staff. So option two to

3368
02:28:04,160 --> 02:28:08,720
me is essentially the same sort of

3369
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:11,040
process. Um, and so I uh would be happy

3370
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:13,920
to support that.

3371
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:17,120
» Then are you ready to vote uh for option

3372
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:19,280
two? Uh, all in favor?

3373
02:28:17,120 --> 02:28:22,479
Those opposed?

3374
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:25,040
I think those in favor have won the day

3375
02:28:22,479 --> 02:28:28,960
and um

3376
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:32,640
and the vote was uh 5 to two. Correct.

3377
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:34,319
Okay. Um uh my my apologies your worship

3378
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:36,160
for interrupting but because that was an

3379
02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:37,840
amending motion we do need a final vote

3380
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:39,760
on the main motion. So now the main

3381
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:41,040
motion will be that council uh committee

3382
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:43,040
of the whole recommend council of the

3383
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:45,840
municipality of meford to approve option

3384
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:48,240
two uh as outlined in report and then

3385
02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:50,160
that will move on to

3386
02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:52,319
» Can I uh I didn't need a mover and

3387
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:55,280
seconder for this. No. Okay then uh you

3388
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:59,680
but you want to vote. So are we voting

3389
02:28:55,280 --> 02:29:01,439
to confirm option two? All in favor

3390
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:03,600
the bigger pardon

3391
02:29:01,439 --> 02:29:06,640
» The whole report. Okay. And those

3392
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:09,760
opposed and it's the same 52 vote I

3393
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:13,520
believe. Okay.

3394
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:16,960
So now um and I I'm going to make people

3395
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:20,880
aware that at 4:30 or thereabouts we are

3396
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:22,880
going to um have a recess because we

3397
02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:25,520
have a planning public meeting at 5:00

3398
02:29:22,880 --> 02:29:27,120
this afternoon. And um I'm just hoping

3399
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:30,640
we can get through the majority of our

3400
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:33,520
agenda uh with the time that is left. So

3401
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:35,280
at this uh point um under development

3402
02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:37,439
services the recommendation is that

3403
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:39,439
committee of the whole recommend council

3404
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:41,280
of the municipality of meford one direct

3405
02:29:39,439 --> 02:29:42,800
staff to initiate a request for

3406
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:45,520
pre-qualification

3407
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:48,399
RFPQ process for the three surplus

3408
02:29:45,520 --> 02:29:50,640
residential parcels identified and two

3409
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:52,800
endorse exploration of a tiny home

3410
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:55,120
community model subject to feasibility

3411
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:57,200
and market response and number three

3412
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:59,600
direct staff to report back with results

3413
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:03,120
and next steps. a mover in a second,

3414
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:06,479
please. Deputy mayor Kiny and seconded

3415
02:30:03,120 --> 02:30:09,359
by councelor Bell. Thank you.

3416
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:11,680
Um and u maybe you should speak to this

3417
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:13,760
because it is uh really your project and

3418
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:15,920
I congratulate you on the the way this

3419
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:18,240
has been brought forward and and a lot

3420
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:20,640
of work went into it and uh a lot of

3421
02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:22,240
your personal contacts to to see about

3422
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:23,040
the feasibility of this. So go right

3423
02:30:22,240 --> 02:30:24,560
ahead.

3424
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:26,880
» Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. I'm

3425
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:29,359
happy to uh to speak to this report and

3426
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:31,920
I want to thank Director KN for all of

3427
02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:34,319
her efforts in uh in bringing that to us

3428
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:35,680
so expeditiously. So with this I'm just

3429
02:30:34,319 --> 02:30:38,479
very very pleased to have this

3430
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:40,399
conversation today and uh I certainly

3431
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:43,439
can confirm that there is a great deal

3432
02:30:40,399 --> 02:30:46,240
of interest from our residents in seeing

3433
02:30:43,439 --> 02:30:49,600
this project move forward. I've heard

3434
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:51,760
from people of all ages that uh they

3435
02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:54,479
feel this is a really really good

3436
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:56,160
project for me. I think it's exciting.

3437
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:58,640
We could be the first community in Gray

3438
02:30:56,160 --> 02:31:01,439
County to have a full uh tiny home

3439
02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:04,000
community in our backyard and I I see it

3440
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:05,520
as um you know structured in such a way

3441
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:07,120
that the homes are affordable and that

3442
02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:08,960
it's wellmaintained and that it's a

3443
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:11,280
place that people can be proud to call

3444
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:13,359
home and I know there's also interest

3445
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:15,280
from the development community in

3446
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:19,040
looking at the opportunity to respond to

3447
02:31:15,280 --> 02:31:21,120
this RFI. So, I uh am just feeling quite

3448
02:31:19,040 --> 02:31:22,560
confident that uh we can see all of this

3449
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:24,080
come to fruition. And we understand

3450
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:26,399
there's a lot of steps in the process

3451
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:28,319
that was mentioned earlier today by a

3452
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:31,520
presenter. We understand we're a long

3453
02:31:28,319 --> 02:31:33,359
way yet from uh from actually making

3454
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:35,439
this happen. But, uh you know, this is

3455
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:38,000
this is where we start. I like the

3456
02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:39,840
location because it's walkable to uh to

3457
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:42,399
downtown. And I think that's uh that's

3458
02:31:39,840 --> 02:31:44,160
important for Tiny Homes. And uh I'm

3459
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:45,760
just uh very very pleased to see this

3460
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:48,960
moving forward. And thank you again to

3461
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:51,920
you Amy.

3462
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:52,880
» Um so councelor Ford and then councelor

3463
02:31:51,920 --> 02:31:54,720
Bell.

3464
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:57,280
» Uh thank you Mr. Mayor and through you

3465
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:59,200
and uh appreciate Deputy Mayor with this

3466
02:31:57,280 --> 02:32:00,240
initiative and so I just looking for a

3467
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:02,560
little bit of clarification because I

3468
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:05,520
love the idea of a tiny home community.

3469
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:07,920
But is the goal of this to provide

3470
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:09,359
affordable housing to residents or is

3471
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:10,880
the goal to provide a tiny home

3472
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:13,040
community? Because where I struggle with

3473
02:32:10,880 --> 02:32:14,880
that is in the report there are more

3474
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:16,479
affordable options. Tiny homes aren't

3475
02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:18,399
technically more affordable. You're just

3476
02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:19,920
buying a smaller home, so it's less

3477
02:32:18,399 --> 02:32:22,399
money, but in terms of cost per square

3478
02:32:19,920 --> 02:32:25,280
foot, it may actually be more expensive.

3479
02:32:22,399 --> 02:32:28,080
Um, so my question is, is our goal to

3480
02:32:25,280 --> 02:32:29,680
provide more affordable housing to

3481
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:31,840
people who need it, or is the goal

3482
02:32:29,680 --> 02:32:33,600
simply to provide a tiny home community

3483
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:34,800
so we can say we have a tiny home

3484
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,080
community and all the good things that

3485
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:37,520
come with that? And I'm not trying to

3486
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:39,200
say that to speak down of it because I

3487
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:41,120
think it's a great initiative. I'm just

3488
02:32:39,200 --> 02:32:43,600
not really sure what the objective is

3489
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:45,600
for this tiny bid project. Are we

3490
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:47,280
considering other types of developments

3491
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:49,920
that have been referenced in the report

3492
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:51,520
itself or is it tiny home take it or

3493
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:52,800
leave it? I just kind of want to know

3494
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:54,560
what the direction is of this

3495
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:56,000
initiative. Uh because that's going to

3496
02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:58,319
sort of dictate the feedback that I

3497
02:32:56,000 --> 02:33:01,120
have. Uh so I just I just appreciate uh

3498
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:03,840
knowing what the what the end goal is of

3499
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:05,040
the the tiny home initiative here.

3500
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,640
» Please. Yes,

3501
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:08,319
» Mr. Mayor. If I may, I'd be happy to

3502
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:10,960
respond to councelor Porter. And I think

3503
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:12,720
to some degree it's it's both. I mean a

3504
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:14,880
tiny home as you suggested it is a

3505
02:33:12,720 --> 02:33:17,600
smaller home. So therefore the price tag

3506
02:33:14,880 --> 02:33:18,880
is likely in the affordable range and we

3507
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:20,640
have no idea at this point whether

3508
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:22,800
they're owned or leased or rented or

3509
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:24,720
lifelased or land leased or there's just

3510
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:27,680
so many different ways that it could be

3511
02:33:24,720 --> 02:33:30,080
set up. So there's no idea at this point

3512
02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:32,640
what that could look like. But yeah the

3513
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:34,560
in in my mind I see it as providing

3514
02:33:32,640 --> 02:33:37,120
affordable living. But yes, definitely

3515
02:33:34,560 --> 02:33:38,800
the the community aspect of a tiny home

3516
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:41,280
community where there are, you know, a

3517
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:43,120
central gathering place and there's uh

3518
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:44,640
fire pit and there's trails and and

3519
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:47,120
community garden and that sort of thing

3520
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:50,640
where people can can congregate. I see

3521
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:52,800
it as being that real community, but you

3522
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:54,319
know, are we tied to an actual tiny home

3523
02:33:52,800 --> 02:33:56,160
community or could it be a pocket

3524
02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:59,040
community? Or there's there's different

3525
02:33:56,160 --> 02:34:00,720
ways of of setting up small homes,

3526
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:02,240
whether it's, you know, a tiny home on

3527
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:04,160
its own little lot with its own little

3528
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:06,800
driveway or whether it's a pocket

3529
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:09,120
community where houses are side by and

3530
02:34:06,800 --> 02:34:11,200
the driveway goes along behind them and

3531
02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:14,399
that keeps the front, you know, very

3532
02:34:11,200 --> 02:34:15,840
very clean. Um, I think there's I'm just

3533
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:18,560
interested to see when we get the

3534
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:20,319
responses to the RFI what suggestions

3535
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:22,080
come back from the development community

3536
02:34:20,319 --> 02:34:26,640
as to what it could look like. So

3537
02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:28,800
there's in my mind not tied to any one

3538
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:31,520
look or format in my head. I just I just

3539
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:32,160
want to see what the options are. Does

3540
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:33,760
that help?

3541
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:35,920
» Yes.

3542
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:39,840
» Councelor Bell.

3543
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:42,479
» Thanks, Mr. Mayor. So, um, this council

3544
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:44,880
may have, uh, forgot that, uh, I brought

3545
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:48,240
forward a motion, uh, that was, um,

3546
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:50,240
adopted unanimously to advance to our

3547
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:53,040
building community that they look at the

3548
02:34:50,240 --> 02:34:55,040
Ontario building code what it says to be

3549
02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:58,880
the minimal requirements in order to

3550
02:34:55,040 --> 02:35:00,880
have a dwelling. Same thing. So, one of

3551
02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:02,720
the issues that I just did just with

3552
02:35:00,880 --> 02:35:05,520
math, you know, talking about whether

3553
02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:08,760
you're $300 a square foot or $400 a

3554
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:08,760
square foot,

3555
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:15,760
14 ft by 14 ft at $400 a square foot is

3556
02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:18,479
$78,000 for something and I think

3557
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:20,800
somebody would be quite ridiculously

3558
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:23,120
to spend that kind of money for that

3559
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:25,680
kind of square footage, which is like a

3560
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:27,840
garden shed. So then I just said, "Well,

3561
02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:31,359
let's do something 20 by 25." And you

3562
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:33,359
get up there. Well, you're at $200,000.

3563
02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:36,000
Haven't bought the land. What's the

3564
02:35:33,359 --> 02:35:38,479
service land underneath that? So, it

3565
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:40,560
doesn't take long to hit that $400,000

3566
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:42,960
mark. And you have to get a builder

3567
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:45,200
who's wants to do this. So, the

3568
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:47,200
initiative about doing it, I'm all for

3569
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:50,240
it. I'm interested to see what the

3570
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:53,680
building community can do with this. But

3571
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:57,920
then I looked up what a um all seasons

3572
02:35:53,680 --> 02:36:00,240
trailer 8 by40 320 square feet you can

3573
02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:01,760
live in it all year round you have your

3574
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:04,640
own spot but now I'm talking about a

3575
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:06,319
trailer park so what is it that we

3576
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,760
really want to see here and I think

3577
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:10,800
that's the point from my fellow

3578
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:13,680
counselor for is it a series of really

3579
02:36:10,800 --> 02:36:16,720
small dwellings maybe for one or two

3580
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:19,040
individuals what are we trying to do so

3581
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:22,080
I think opening it up to the building

3582
02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:24,800
community is the right thing to do. Let

3583
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:27,359
them tell us if it can be done because

3584
02:36:24,800 --> 02:36:29,200
we just had an open house on Highway 26

3585
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:33,359
not long ago. I think they're

3586
02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:35,920
advertising opening units at 585,000.

3587
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:38,080
That's where they're at. So, we're

3588
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:40,399
trying to cut that. And if we have it in

3589
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:43,359
our mind to cut it in half, how can we

3590
02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:45,040
get somebody into a place for 300 or

3591
02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:46,800
350,000?

3592
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,720
So that's what the building community is

3593
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:52,399
going to tell us about this, whether

3594
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:54,319
there's even any appetite to do it. So I

3595
02:36:52,399 --> 02:36:57,280
welcome it. I'm going to vote for it,

3596
02:36:54,319 --> 02:37:00,160
see what happens with it. But um it's

3597
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:02,800
interesting because um you know, you do

3598
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:04,319
have to pay for the labor and I don't

3599
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:07,439
think any construction company's going

3600
02:37:04,319 --> 02:37:09,840
to take a cut. Very rarely you're going

3601
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:12,800
to need three 400,000 to do a square

3602
02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:14,000
footage. So that's the point.

3603
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:15,520
» Go ahead.

3604
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:18,080
My apologies for interrupting your

3605
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:21,600
worship. I have noticed that there is um

3606
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:23,200
on the agenda uh the reports

3607
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:25,120
recommendation has been updated and

3608
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,880
isn't reflected in the agenda index. So

3609
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:29,040
I wondered if I could just display ask

3610
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:30,640
Allison to display if you're looking at

3611
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:32,319
the report you're seeing the

3612
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:35,840
recommendation. I think that was

3613
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:38,240
changed. Um and the index if you look at

3614
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:41,200
the index is is different. So, I just

3615
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:42,479
want everybody um on council to be sure

3616
02:37:41,200 --> 02:37:44,640
we're looking at the same

3617
02:37:42,479 --> 02:37:47,200
recommendation. So, if I could just ask

3618
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:48,960
that that be displayed. Um it's a

3619
02:37:47,200 --> 02:37:52,880
slightly different recommendation with

3620
02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:55,359
the same theme um but definitely not the

3621
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:58,560
same if you've looked at the index. So,

3622
02:37:55,359 --> 02:38:01,600
those who use um who are looking at the

3623
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:03,600
report specifically, that recommendation

3624
02:38:01,600 --> 02:38:05,359
has not changed from when you read the

3625
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:08,240
report.

3626
02:38:05,359 --> 02:38:10,880
Does that make sense?

3627
02:38:08,240 --> 02:38:12,800
So I just again to be to be clear what

3628
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:14,880
council is considering this is correct.

3629
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:16,399
The index has been updated but it may

3630
02:38:14,880 --> 02:38:20,800
not have been reflected if you had been

3631
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:23,200
looking at it um during this meeting.

3632
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:25,840
So this differs I think Mayor Kentner

3633
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:27,520
from your index because

3634
02:38:25,840 --> 02:38:30,240
» You don't have the report. So if you go

3635
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:32,000
to the item to the report in your binder

3636
02:38:30,240 --> 02:38:36,359
» That recommendation is right.

3637
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:36,359
» Thank you. Okay I'll do that.

3638
02:38:40,800 --> 02:38:46,720
You can see just a bit of reading

3639
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:48,960
for these council meetings. So, um we're

3640
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:50,960
looking at um three points in the

3641
02:38:48,960 --> 02:38:55,280
recommendation here and they're on the

3642
02:38:50,960 --> 02:38:57,040
the uh on the screen there now.

3643
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:59,040
Um

3644
02:38:57,040 --> 02:39:03,040
did you wish to speak to that at point

3645
02:38:59,040 --> 02:39:05,120
or or is it something else? Okay, let's

3646
02:39:03,040 --> 02:39:09,760
go to councelor Greenfield.

3647
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:12,800
Thank you. Um, okay. I I I noticed this.

3648
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:14,880
I I thought we were doing an RFI and

3649
02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:18,560
then we've got different different

3650
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:21,520
acronym here. Um,

3651
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:25,359
so I'm wondering

3652
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:28,560
I I I was quite comfortable with an RFI.

3653
02:39:25,359 --> 02:39:31,439
I thought it was a great idea. Um, tiny

3654
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:35,680
homes do seem to be catching on. Um,

3655
02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:38,319
they seem to be popular. I uh uh looked

3656
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:41,040
on Google and I couldn't find anything

3657
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:42,960
negative about tiny home communities and

3658
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:45,120
I I thought that was kind of

3659
02:39:42,960 --> 02:39:47,920
interesting.

3660
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:52,880
Um but

3661
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:55,880
anyway, um so the request for

3662
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:55,880
pre-qualification

3663
02:39:56,080 --> 02:40:02,720
um can can you explain that a little bit

3664
02:39:59,600 --> 02:40:06,560
further? Like to me it's the request for

3665
02:40:02,720 --> 02:40:10,319
information was fairly general. Uh is

3666
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:13,319
this more specific? Is this going to

3667
02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:13,319
uh

3668
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:19,359
reduce the the potential number of ideas

3669
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:21,600
that are coming forward or potential

3670
02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:22,880
number of proposals? Can can you help me

3671
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:24,640
on that?

3672
02:40:22,880 --> 02:40:26,640
» Go ahead, director K.

3673
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:29,120
» Uh thank you and through your worship to

3674
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:31,200
councelor Greenfield. Uh so the original

3675
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:33,600
notice of motion from deputy mayor

3676
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:36,960
Kibney had indicated um the

3677
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:39,680
pre-qualification idea and so as I was

3678
02:40:36,960 --> 02:40:43,439
crafting the report I thought that the

3679
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:45,439
number of questions that that still um

3680
02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:47,280
were sort of in the ether on the nature

3681
02:40:45,439 --> 02:40:50,000
of the project, the viability of the

3682
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:53,040
project uh might warrant sort of backing

3683
02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:55,760
up and doing a request for for interest

3684
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:58,080
instead. Um, and that would allow us to

3685
02:40:55,760 --> 02:41:00,240
sort of reach out to the community, the

3686
02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:02,720
development community, and get a little

3687
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:04,960
more information on from their expert

3688
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:07,280
perspectives, um, you know, what goes

3689
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:10,640
into their consideration,

3690
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:12,800
how viable is this, um, in their minds

3691
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:15,040
and and maybe they're they hold

3692
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:17,920
information that we don't have by virtue

3693
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:20,640
of not being uh, expert developers. So,

3694
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:22,479
I sort of backed up on that. Um, and

3695
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:25,040
then I embedded that in my

3696
02:41:22,479 --> 02:41:28,560
recommendation back to council if that

3697
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:31,200
sort of makes sense.

3698
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:34,960
» Go ahead. Uh,

3699
02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:37,600
thanks. Thanks, Amy. Uh, just two more

3700
02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:40,560
questions. Um

3701
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:44,080
I I'm I'm assuming

3702
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:48,160
municipality still has the usual site

3703
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:52,319
plan agreement uh opportunities controls

3704
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:55,040
or wish lists. Um and

3705
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:57,760
the the next one is

3706
02:41:55,040 --> 02:42:01,359
the neighbors neighbor involvement

3707
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:04,800
public involvement is are we too soon

3708
02:42:01,359 --> 02:42:09,359
for that or uh I'm hoping that will come

3709
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:12,319
into play somewhere down the road

3710
02:42:09,359 --> 02:42:16,399
» Again through your worship um certainly

3711
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:19,120
so not unlike the CIO's process for um

3712
02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:21,200
divestature of public property or or

3713
02:42:19,120 --> 02:42:22,960
municipal property, there would be a

3714
02:42:21,200 --> 02:42:26,479
public engagement process for that

3715
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:29,200
aspect alone if we were to consider sale

3716
02:42:26,479 --> 02:42:31,840
of of municipal lands. But on top of

3717
02:42:29,200 --> 02:42:34,000
that, knowing that that any development

3718
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:37,040
on these parcels will require planning

3719
02:42:34,000 --> 02:42:39,040
act approvals, we will engage the public

3720
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:41,520
um in accordance with the planning act

3721
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:43,359
on top of that. So they may be sort of

3722
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:46,960
concurrent processes, but you sort of

3723
02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:49,600
have two um double requirements to be

3724
02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:52,560
able to engage engage the public on on

3725
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:54,640
this proposal.

3726
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:55,920
» Okay, deputy mayor.

3727
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:58,399
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I want to come

3728
02:42:55,920 --> 02:43:00,720
back to councelor Bell's comments just

3729
02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:03,840
for a couple of examples in relation to

3730
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:06,880
costing of these homes. And I mean they

3731
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:09,600
can be high-end or they can be, you

3732
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:11,040
know, regular normal uh materials like

3733
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:13,920
uh you know, arborite countertops

3734
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:15,760
instead of stone sort of thing. But um

3735
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:19,040
there was a model home in Collingwood

3736
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:21,359
last uh year that I went to see at uh

3737
02:43:19,040 --> 02:43:24,720
the Home Hardware location and it was I

3738
02:43:21,359 --> 02:43:26,880
think $320 square ft with a selling

3739
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:28,880
price of $150,000

3740
02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:31,120
and a separate bedroom and a nice little

3741
02:43:28,880 --> 02:43:32,880
kitchen with a stone countertop and you

3742
02:43:31,120 --> 02:43:35,920
know washer and dryer, full bathroom and

3743
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:39,040
so on and so forth. Um Quality Homes is

3744
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:43,120
making tiny homes. Um and I went to see

3745
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:46,000
them. The smaller one is just over 500

3746
02:43:43,120 --> 02:43:48,960
square ft and you know full separate

3747
02:43:46,000 --> 02:43:51,040
bedroom, full closet, kitchen again with

3748
02:43:48,960 --> 02:43:53,920
stone countertops, electric fireplace,

3749
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:57,520
lots of amenities. Um and that one at

3750
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:59,840
just over 500 ft² sells for 199,000 and

3751
02:43:57,520 --> 02:44:01,760
you still have to, you know, put it on

3752
02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:04,640
your lot and hook up the servicing and

3753
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:07,760
so on. But just to give us a sense of of

3754
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:10,000
costs, um I just found that interesting.

3755
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:12,479
But I think the important thing for us

3756
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:14,000
to remember today is that you know

3757
02:44:12,479 --> 02:44:16,000
there's no cost in what we're doing at

3758
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:17,680
this point. We're just looking for

3759
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:19,359
interest from the development community

3760
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:21,600
so that we have some proposals to

3761
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:24,319
consider. So if we move this forward

3762
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:27,120
today, no cost to the municipality. It's

3763
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:28,880
just put it out there and uh allow this

3764
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:31,520
council or the next council to have an

3765
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:33,680
opportunity to give consideration to uh

3766
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:35,439
whatever proposals come before it. So I

3767
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:38,240
just thought it was important to note

3768
02:44:35,439 --> 02:44:40,000
the financial side of this today.

3769
02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:41,520
» Councelor Fer.

3770
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:43,279
» So thank you Mr. Mayor and through you.

3771
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:44,720
So just a quick question. So and I have

3772
02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:48,240
no problem supporting this just to see

3773
02:44:44,720 --> 02:44:49,680
what comes back but will the um the bids

3774
02:44:48,240 --> 02:44:52,479
or the information we get from the

3775
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:54,800
developers will it just be tiny home

3776
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:56,240
specific? I apologize if I missed that.

3777
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:58,960
um or are we going to be asking

3778
02:44:56,240 --> 02:45:00,880
developers to provide their, you know,

3779
02:44:58,960 --> 02:45:02,960
most affordable options for the best use

3780
02:45:00,880 --> 02:45:05,279
of the land that that we're providing or

3781
02:45:02,960 --> 02:45:06,880
that is available? Um so I just like to

3782
02:45:05,279 --> 02:45:08,880
know um if if we're only going to be

3783
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:10,720
getting tiny home bids that might be

3784
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:12,720
limited in scope uh in terms of

3785
02:45:10,720 --> 02:45:15,040
evaluating what other options could be

3786
02:45:12,720 --> 02:45:16,800
used for that land. Um so what what

3787
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:18,399
would that look like? And are we going

3788
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:20,479
to be opening up to more than just tiny

3789
02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:23,040
home offerings? Like let's say stacked

3790
02:45:20,479 --> 02:45:24,720
town houses um for example. Um would

3791
02:45:23,040 --> 02:45:27,200
that be something that we would expect

3792
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:28,479
accept a bid or a proposal um from a

3793
02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:30,479
developer who might be able to offer

3794
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:33,479
that but not necessarily specific tiny

3795
02:45:30,479 --> 02:45:33,479
homes?

3796
02:45:35,359 --> 02:45:40,560
» Uh I think I can help through your

3797
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:45,120
worship. Um with the information I have

3798
02:45:40,560 --> 02:45:47,680
today, I likely would um you know craft

3799
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:50,319
um the requests for uh interest or

3800
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:53,600
information with the thought that tiny

3801
02:45:50,319 --> 02:45:55,600
homes is sort of the objective. But um

3802
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:58,800
you know if it's council's wish that we

3803
02:45:55,600 --> 02:46:01,200
sort of neutralize it a wee bit and and

3804
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:04,240
um put the request for interest out

3805
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:07,920
noting that um we'd be happy to receive

3806
02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:09,680
you know suggestions of other forms. Um

3807
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:14,840
you know we can certainly do that. I'm

3808
02:46:09,680 --> 02:46:14,840
I'm in your hands uh in that regard.

3809
02:46:16,000 --> 02:46:21,040
» Yes. Okay. And thank you Mr. Mayor. Be

3810
02:46:18,880 --> 02:46:23,359
brief and thank you for that director K.

3811
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:25,040
Um, and so my my only reason for that

3812
02:46:23,359 --> 02:46:26,479
line of question questioning was I just

3813
02:46:25,040 --> 02:46:28,080
didn't want to limit our options to just

3814
02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:29,920
tiny homes. If we do determine that

3815
02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:31,920
there could be better use of that space

3816
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:34,240
and ultimately if our goal is to make

3817
02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:36,000
best use of that land and develop it for

3818
02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:38,479
the benefit of the maximum number of

3819
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:40,000
people, I'd certainly like to benefit

3820
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:41,439
more people than less people,

3821
02:46:40,000 --> 02:46:44,720
particularly if we can still make it

3822
02:46:41,439 --> 02:46:47,439
affordable to them. Um, so, um, not to

3823
02:46:44,720 --> 02:46:49,439
sort of derail this initial tiny home,

3824
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:51,600
um, initiative, but I really think it

3825
02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:53,120
would be in our best interest to see to

3826
02:46:51,600 --> 02:46:54,399
challenge the developers to see what

3827
02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:57,439
they can do to provide affordable

3828
02:46:54,399 --> 02:46:58,640
housing of all kinds on that land and

3829
02:46:57,439 --> 02:46:59,840
put the challenge out to them and see

3830
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:01,279
what they can come back. And of course,

3831
02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:03,680
we don't have to commit to anything we

3832
02:47:01,279 --> 02:47:04,880
don't want to, but I think um, you know,

3833
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:06,319
let's leave it in the minds of the

3834
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:07,920
creative developers and see what they

3835
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:09,680
they could uh, they could pull out of

3836
02:47:07,920 --> 02:47:11,840
their hat. Um, so that's just a

3837
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:13,120
suggestion. Um, and I don't know if I

3838
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:14,960
have any support for that, but I would

3839
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:17,279
certainly suggest considering making an

3840
02:47:14,960 --> 02:47:18,880
amendment to um, opening the scope a

3841
02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:21,279
little bit uh, rather than just tiny

3842
02:47:18,880 --> 02:47:22,479
homes um, to, you know, just to my

3843
02:47:21,279 --> 02:47:23,760
comments. So, I just don't know if any

3844
02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:25,760
of my fellow counselors think that

3845
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:28,319
that's a pragmatic thing to be doing or

3846
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:30,560
not, but I'll leave it to you guys.

3847
02:47:28,319 --> 02:47:32,000
» Did you wish to speak, councelor Andis?

3848
02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:34,800
» Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I

3849
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:36,399
would support councelor Ford's idea. I

3850
02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:37,920
love the idea of tiny homes. I know a

3851
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:40,160
lot of people that would be interested

3852
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:42,880
in moving into one and and uh enjoying

3853
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:45,120
their life there. Um but I think that if

3854
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:48,479
we're going to go for an initiative to

3855
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:52,319
give good affordable um you know

3856
02:47:48,479 --> 02:47:54,080
cost-effective options um it

3857
02:47:52,319 --> 02:47:58,800
I it doesn't sit well with me to to look

3858
02:47:54,080 --> 02:48:02,720
at one specific type. Um, so yeah, I I

3859
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:05,680
would want to prioritize uh cost

3860
02:48:02,720 --> 02:48:08,240
efficiency versus the style.

3861
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:10,640
» And I I'm tempted to, you know, got a

3862
02:48:08,240 --> 02:48:12,160
mover in a secondary there. Uh I just I

3863
02:48:10,640 --> 02:48:14,319
have never heard of an affordable

3864
02:48:12,160 --> 02:48:16,399
stacked townhouse. I've never heard of

3865
02:48:14,319 --> 02:48:19,359
an affordable townhouse. I've never

3866
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:23,439
heard of an affordable uh single uh uh

3867
02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:25,520
dwelling uh or or a duplex. uh does

3868
02:48:23,439 --> 02:48:29,439
somebody have affordable like what is

3869
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:32,160
the number? Uh it's way below uh um

3870
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:35,600
attainable and uh we have trouble

3871
02:48:32,160 --> 02:48:38,640
getting the standard size houses into

3872
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:40,319
the attainable category.

3873
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:42,720
So go ahead.

3874
02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:44,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I think those

3875
02:48:42,720 --> 02:48:47,040
are great points. So if the building

3876
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:51,520
community comes back and all of their

3877
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:53,200
non-tiny options are uh financially not

3878
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:55,279
considerable by us for for these

3879
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:56,720
purposes then great the decision is

3880
02:48:55,279 --> 02:48:59,200
absolutely made from a financial

3881
02:48:56,720 --> 02:49:03,920
perspective. Um but if they come back

3882
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:05,920
with a model that um does does work and

3883
02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:09,120
does make sense and could provide sort

3884
02:49:05,920 --> 02:49:11,279
of achieve the goal here um at least as

3885
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:13,840
I interpret um deputy mayor Keven's

3886
02:49:11,279 --> 02:49:15,279
goals um if we achieve that through a

3887
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:18,240
different option then that would be

3888
02:49:15,279 --> 02:49:19,840
great to councelor Bell's point of um

3889
02:49:18,240 --> 02:49:23,120
you know just looking at kind of square

3890
02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:24,720
footage costs um I think it is

3891
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:27,840
incredible that Lonal is doing it for

3892
02:49:24,720 --> 02:49:29,279
the prices that they are doing it Um,

3893
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:31,200
and if we can drive that down even

3894
02:49:29,279 --> 02:49:33,120
further, kind of however we however a

3895
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:35,520
builder is able or a developer is able

3896
02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:37,840
to achieve that, um, I would want to

3897
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:39,359
consider and I would want to look at,

3898
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:41,439
um, I don't build houses, so I don't

3899
02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:42,240
know what they might come up with, but,

3900
02:49:41,439 --> 02:49:43,600
um,

3901
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:46,800
» So I think we got a mover and a

3902
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:49,600
seconder, uh, um, and that we should

3903
02:49:46,800 --> 02:49:52,160
proceed. Can you uh, develop a motion

3904
02:49:49,600 --> 02:49:53,840
for their

3905
02:49:52,160 --> 02:49:55,279
» Uh, thank you. I wonder if councelor

3906
02:49:53,840 --> 02:49:56,560
Ford is able to offer a little bit more

3907
02:49:55,279 --> 02:49:59,359
clarity in the wording that he would

3908
02:49:56,560 --> 02:50:01,520
like reflected to replace

3909
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:06,720
um as I'm understanding it the tiny home

3910
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:08,319
development with something more broad.

3911
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:10,880
» Yes, thank you Mr. Mayor through you. if

3912
02:50:08,319 --> 02:50:12,720
I may. Um, so just going off the top of

3913
02:50:10,880 --> 02:50:14,720
my head, I'm not exactly sure how I'd

3914
02:50:12,720 --> 02:50:17,279
word it, but I would be open to

3915
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:20,160
receiving any and all suggestions from

3916
02:50:17,279 --> 02:50:22,880
developers on how they could provide

3917
02:50:20,160 --> 02:50:25,520
their best affordable housing option,

3918
02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:27,200
whatever that looks like. Um, you know,

3919
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:28,800
I would say there's nothing, you know,

3920
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:30,479
off the table because if it doesn't,

3921
02:50:28,800 --> 02:50:33,040
like to what councelor Anna said, if it

3922
02:50:30,479 --> 02:50:34,720
doesn't fit our criteria and it's not a

3923
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:36,319
good fit for whatever reason, we simply

3924
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:38,000
just dismiss it and we move on to the

3925
02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:39,359
next. Uh, but I just think we need to

3926
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:40,960
broaden the scope a little bit and put

3927
02:50:39,359 --> 02:50:42,960
the challenge out to the developers and

3928
02:50:40,960 --> 02:50:44,399
see if they can get creative and provide

3929
02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:47,760
us with some options that maybe we

3930
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:49,359
haven't considered. Um, so if you can

3931
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:50,880
magician that a little bit, Margaret,

3932
02:50:49,359 --> 02:50:54,000
I'd appreciate that. But that would be

3933
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:57,479
sort of the the gist of my uh my motion

3934
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,479
there. Thank you.

3935
02:50:59,200 --> 02:51:05,800
» Um, until we get this motion on the

3936
02:51:01,439 --> 02:51:05,800
floor, please uh we'll just

3937
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:25,200
Thank you, Rishop. I might just be a

3938
02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:26,720
minute. I just wanted to confer with our

3939
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:28,960
director of development services to make

3940
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:31,279
sure that the wording would be

3941
02:51:28,960 --> 02:51:33,359
» Appropriate. I'm sorry.

3942
02:51:31,279 --> 02:51:35,920
» Do you want me to declare a two-minute

3943
02:51:33,359 --> 02:51:37,279
recess?

3944
02:51:35,920 --> 02:51:39,680
Well, why don't we do that? We've been

3945
02:51:37,279 --> 02:51:42,000
at the table a long time here, so a

3946
02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:45,000
two-minute recess. We'll reconvene at

3947
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:45,000
3:51.

3948
02:51:47,120 --> 02:51:50,120
355.

3949
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:55,040
just having a little challenge

3950
03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:57,040
reconvening this council but I think and

3951
03:01:55,040 --> 03:02:00,319
then we did we gave us you gave us an

3952
03:01:57,040 --> 03:02:02,080
inch we took a mile I'm sorry however uh

3953
03:02:00,319 --> 03:02:05,120
I think we are ready to proceed and

3954
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:07,520
we've got a motion here uh moved by

3955
03:02:05,120 --> 03:02:10,640
councelor for seconded by councelor and

3956
03:02:07,520 --> 03:02:13,279
uh that the motion be amended by adding

3957
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:16,960
and or affordable housing options

3958
03:02:13,279 --> 03:02:19,520
following development in clause one. So

3959
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:23,319
clause one then

3960
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:23,319
is going to read

3961
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:31,760
my apologies that's how it would read.

3962
03:02:30,399 --> 03:02:34,399
It's a little bit tricky when it's in

3963
03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:36,240
isolation. So that's um an example if it

3964
03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:38,000
were to pass how it the main motion

3965
03:02:36,240 --> 03:02:40,399
would read. But that's not how the main

3966
03:02:38,000 --> 03:02:42,319
motion reads now with the red.

3967
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:45,319
» Is that agreeable to the mover and

3968
03:02:42,319 --> 03:02:45,319
secondary?

3969
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:50,000
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. And through um

3970
03:02:48,479 --> 03:02:52,000
for now, yeah, I think that sort of sums

3971
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:54,720
up what I what I was thinking initially,

3972
03:02:52,000 --> 03:02:56,240
but I know um there likely be some

3973
03:02:54,720 --> 03:02:58,000
comments from members around the table

3974
03:02:56,240 --> 03:03:00,240
that would maybe help improve the

3975
03:02:58,000 --> 03:03:01,920
wording if anybody has any ideas. Um, I

3976
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:03,200
know the wording is really tricky, but I

3977
03:03:01,920 --> 03:03:04,800
think that is a very good starting point

3978
03:03:03,200 --> 03:03:07,040
and I welcome everybody's input to see

3979
03:03:04,800 --> 03:03:08,880
if there's um a good final product that

3980
03:03:07,040 --> 03:03:10,479
we uh that we can all look at.

3981
03:03:08,880 --> 03:03:12,800
» Okay.

3982
03:03:10,479 --> 03:03:15,359
So, um

3983
03:03:12,800 --> 03:03:15,840
other uh comments, suggestions that

3984
03:03:15,359 --> 03:03:17,120
deputy may

3985
03:03:15,840 --> 03:03:20,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I'll I'll

3986
03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:22,800
start it off and I'll just um uh I

3987
03:03:20,800 --> 03:03:24,880
appreciate the intent and I'm fine with

3988
03:03:22,800 --> 03:03:26,880
that. I think my concern is the word

3989
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:30,720
affordable because we don't have an

3990
03:03:26,880 --> 03:03:33,600
actual definition in me for what is

3991
03:03:30,720 --> 03:03:35,520
considered affordable. We know it's 30%

3992
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:38,640
of someone's income, but that doesn't

3993
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:41,520
necessarily give us a dollar amount to

3994
03:03:38,640 --> 03:03:44,720
again define uh what we're looking for

3995
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:47,439
here. So, I'm looking for um other

3996
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:50,319
wording which I think council can help

3997
03:03:47,439 --> 03:03:52,240
us with um that would replace the word

3998
03:03:50,319 --> 03:03:53,359
affordable.

3999
03:03:52,240 --> 03:03:56,000
So you

4000
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:58,640
» Here, Mr. Mayor. Um I was thinking

4001
03:03:56,000 --> 03:04:00,319
something along the lines of saying um

4002
03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:02,880
costefficient

4003
03:04:00,319 --> 03:04:06,080
uh housing options or housing models and

4004
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:08,240
then in uh the request

4005
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:13,920
um essentially explain that we'd like to

4006
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:19,120
see um you know a a a good balance uh of

4007
03:04:13,920 --> 03:04:22,160
final cost and cost per square foot. Um,

4008
03:04:19,120 --> 03:04:25,200
and then that sort of I think still

4009
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:29,200
probably guides towards uh a tiny home

4010
03:04:25,200 --> 03:04:31,040
um option. Um, and I'm sure there there

4011
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:33,439
will be a lot of really really great uh

4012
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:38,000
great great offerings. Um, but then it

4013
03:04:33,439 --> 03:04:39,920
also allows for um other other ideas to

4014
03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:43,960
come in uh that still serve as sort of

4015
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:43,960
the the overarching goal.

4016
03:04:46,479 --> 03:04:49,120
Go ahead.

4017
03:04:47,520 --> 03:04:51,279
» Just to clarify, so the motion that

4018
03:04:49,120 --> 03:04:54,800
councelor Ford would then be bringing

4019
03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:56,160
instead to to clarify the wording. I

4020
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:57,920
there are two ways we could do this, but

4021
03:04:56,160 --> 03:05:00,960
if if you're tableabling the motion

4022
03:04:57,920 --> 03:05:03,359
right now, it would be andor coste

4023
03:05:00,960 --> 03:05:05,439
effective housing options rather than

4024
03:05:03,359 --> 03:05:07,520
andor affordable housing options is what

4025
03:05:05,439 --> 03:05:09,760
you'd like. The alternative is of course

4026
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:12,960
to vote on this one. We vote it down and

4027
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:15,279
then we have another motion. to to go

4028
03:05:12,960 --> 03:05:16,399
ahead if that's what you're wanting to

4029
03:05:15,279 --> 03:05:18,240
work on.

4030
03:05:16,399 --> 03:05:19,920
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And if I if I may,

4031
03:05:18,240 --> 03:05:22,319
yes, I like um the wording from

4032
03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:23,920
councelor Anis, but I think it's it's

4033
03:05:22,319 --> 03:05:25,040
smarter wording to use than using the

4034
03:05:23,920 --> 03:05:25,439
the term affordable.

4035
03:05:25,040 --> 03:05:28,080
» Okay.

4036
03:05:25,439 --> 03:05:30,160
» Thank you.

4037
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:33,200
I just go on record that I would be uh

4038
03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:36,479
you know um much more inclined to uh

4039
03:05:33,200 --> 03:05:39,040
consider a motion down the road to uh u

4040
03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:41,120
uh make a a similar call for truly

4041
03:05:39,040 --> 03:05:44,319
affordable housing in Meford where we

4042
03:05:41,120 --> 03:05:46,399
would perhaps uh we we do have a a

4043
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:48,880
pretty considerable surplus of land in

4044
03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:51,520
the community and we could uh perhaps

4045
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:54,399
designate a more suitable parcel and

4046
03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:57,920
offer it for truly affordable housing.

4047
03:05:54,399 --> 03:06:01,760
Uh I just don't want to chase um uh tiny

4048
03:05:57,920 --> 03:06:03,359
home uh builders away from uh the

4049
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:06,560
proposal that we're making at this

4050
03:06:03,359 --> 03:06:09,560
point. That that's my concern about uh

4051
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:09,560
this

4052
03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:16,160
um at least CEO Everett, you maybe have

4053
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:19,439
some thoughts to help us through this?

4054
03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:21,520
» Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um and again,

4055
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:24,160
the direction I think is is fine. and it

4056
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:26,479
gives staff all the guidance that they

4057
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:29,760
require. I think one of the pieces that

4058
03:06:26,479 --> 03:06:33,840
I just want to be mindful of that

4059
03:06:29,760 --> 03:06:35,680
included in an RFI is identifying how

4060
03:06:33,840 --> 03:06:39,800
the long-term

4061
03:06:35,680 --> 03:06:39,800
affordability criter

4062
03:06:42,880 --> 03:06:48,640
is with affordable housing in my opinion

4063
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:51,760
is real estate. Real estate is a free

4064
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:53,600
market. It only is affordable at the

4065
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:55,520
first purchase

4066
03:06:53,600 --> 03:06:58,000
that you can turn it over and make

4067
03:06:55,520 --> 03:07:00,399
double your money. So there has to be

4068
03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:03,920
the element within any development

4069
03:07:00,399 --> 03:07:07,040
agreement that they have to prove how

4070
03:07:03,920 --> 03:07:09,600
how the the unit how the property is

4071
03:07:07,040 --> 03:07:12,240
going to continue to be within that

4072
03:07:09,600 --> 03:07:15,520
affordable criteria. That's the only way

4073
03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:19,359
this works. Um or else, you know, the

4074
03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:22,479
developer, whoever is they they may be

4075
03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:24,515
in at a certain level, but it's that new

4076
03:07:22,479 --> 03:07:25,920
homeowner who flips it who gets

4077
03:07:24,515 --> 03:07:28,000
[clears throat] to make the money. And

4078
03:07:25,920 --> 03:07:30,240
and that's where typically these things

4079
03:07:28,000 --> 03:07:32,399
fall off the rail. There are ways of

4080
03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:35,439
doing it. The question is whether or not

4081
03:07:32,399 --> 03:07:37,359
the industry wants to go down that road

4082
03:07:35,439 --> 03:07:39,439
because there isn't necessarily the

4083
03:07:37,359 --> 03:07:42,080
money that they would make at the end of

4084
03:07:39,439 --> 03:07:44,800
the rainbow. But if it's truly about,

4085
03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:46,560
you know, making these units attainable

4086
03:07:44,800 --> 03:07:49,120
or affordable or whatever the word we

4087
03:07:46,560 --> 03:07:51,760
want to use, having that mechanism in

4088
03:07:49,120 --> 03:07:53,359
place part of the RFI is incredibly

4089
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:56,560
important so they know what the rules of

4090
03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:58,160
the game are going in. Thank you,

4091
03:07:56,560 --> 03:07:59,680
» Deputy Mayor.

4092
03:07:58,160 --> 03:08:01,439
» Uh, thank you very much, Mr. mayor and I

4093
03:07:59,680 --> 03:08:04,000
completely agree with what our CEO is

4094
03:08:01,439 --> 03:08:08,160
saying and I'm wondering to that intent

4095
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:12,560
do we also need um at this point in time

4096
03:08:08,160 --> 03:08:14,479
to include in the RFI any incentives

4097
03:08:12,560 --> 03:08:16,399
that might be on the table through our

4098
03:08:14,479 --> 03:08:19,600
CIP

4099
03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:21,439
um because you know that the side of

4100
03:08:19,600 --> 03:08:23,120
this the financial side of this is

4101
03:08:21,439 --> 03:08:25,040
critically important and so I think

4102
03:08:23,120 --> 03:08:27,439
that's a question developers are going

4103
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:29,040
to come back with you know what what

4104
03:08:27,439 --> 03:08:32,319
skin are we going to have in the name,

4105
03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:36,000
so to speak. So, what's in our CIP that

4106
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:36,960
could assist in keeping these homes? I

4107
03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:39,120
know we're going to use the word

4108
03:08:36,960 --> 03:08:41,520
affordable even though we're talking

4109
03:08:39,120 --> 03:08:43,760
about doing this in a different way, but

4110
03:08:41,520 --> 03:08:45,520
I think we all understand in our minds

4111
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:48,160
where we're trying to get to here is

4112
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:50,960
that yeah, we want these price points to

4113
03:08:48,160 --> 03:08:53,040
be doable for for people who are looking

4114
03:08:50,960 --> 03:08:55,120
for this minimalistic type of living and

4115
03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:56,720
we want them to stay that way. So I

4116
03:08:55,120 --> 03:08:59,120
think that's generally how it works is

4117
03:08:56,720 --> 03:09:01,520
that the municipality participates in

4118
03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:06,399
some fashion. So director Ken, what's in

4119
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:08,080
our CIP that could support this

4120
03:09:06,399 --> 03:09:10,240
through your worship? I'm happy to

4121
03:09:08,080 --> 03:09:13,040
answer that question. So there's a few

4122
03:09:10,240 --> 03:09:16,319
ways uh to look at this. thinking of our

4123
03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:19,120
our new uh CIP that unfortunately is

4124
03:09:16,319 --> 03:09:23,120
currently under appeal, but thinking of

4125
03:09:19,120 --> 03:09:27,040
when the CIP does come into force, um it

4126
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:30,240
would be uh an option under the CIP for

4127
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:33,600
council to be able to offer lands uh at

4128
03:09:30,240 --> 03:09:37,680
a discount or for free um if that if

4129
03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:39,520
that is um of interest to council. Um

4130
03:09:37,680 --> 03:09:41,680
otherwise there are other incentive

4131
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:45,279
programs that could be offered to the

4132
03:09:41,680 --> 03:09:47,439
developer. Um if for example um the

4133
03:09:45,279 --> 03:09:50,880
units constructed were for purpose-built

4134
03:09:47,439 --> 03:09:52,960
rental um then there are incentives uh

4135
03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:56,479
available there are um planning and

4136
03:09:52,960 --> 03:09:58,640
building uh application fee uh rebates

4137
03:09:56,479 --> 03:10:02,640
and that kind of thing. So um depending

4138
03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:05,200
on how we wanted to look at it um and on

4139
03:10:02,640 --> 03:10:09,200
exactly the type of of development that

4140
03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:10,800
is before us ultimately um the CIP uh

4141
03:10:09,200 --> 03:10:14,160
once it comes into force would

4142
03:10:10,800 --> 03:10:18,000
definitely be available um for uh the

4143
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:21,439
developer or council to use um to sort

4144
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:24,680
of bolster this financially. So hope

4145
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:24,680
that helps.

4146
03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:31,680
So um are we going to alter this clause

4147
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:34,479
uh as uh the mover and secondary have

4148
03:10:31,680 --> 03:10:36,080
asked?

4149
03:10:34,479 --> 03:10:38,880
» Um

4150
03:10:36,080 --> 03:10:40,720
your worship it has been um it has been

4151
03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:43,600
updated to what councelor Ford would

4152
03:10:40,720 --> 03:10:45,120
like to have as the motion for the

4153
03:10:43,600 --> 03:10:46,560
amending

4154
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:48,720
clause.

4155
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:49,520
» So and or cost effective housing

4156
03:10:48,720 --> 03:10:51,600
options.

4157
03:10:49,520 --> 03:10:53,040
» Okay. All right. Uh, is there any more

4158
03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:56,040
discussion or can we vote on this

4159
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:56,040
motion?

4160
03:10:56,319 --> 03:11:03,359
And I will call the vote. All in favor?

4161
03:11:00,560 --> 03:11:06,359
And that is uh

4162
03:11:03,359 --> 03:11:06,359
unanimous.

4163
03:11:07,040 --> 03:11:12,399
Um,

4164
03:11:08,560 --> 03:11:14,160
so let's uh come back to pardon. Yeah,

4165
03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:16,880
we have to go back to the original here.

4166
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:19,120
And uh we've

4167
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:21,439
um

4168
03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:24,800
and it's already on the floor. We but

4169
03:11:21,439 --> 03:11:26,880
we've added this to it. So I just call a

4170
03:11:24,800 --> 03:11:28,240
vote on this as it was worded now.

4171
03:11:26,880 --> 03:11:30,560
Correct.

4172
03:11:28,240 --> 03:11:32,399
» I I would say uh if if there are no

4173
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:35,200
other changes to this motion, then it

4174
03:11:32,399 --> 03:11:36,720
would be appropriate to um to have the

4175
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:37,600
vote on the final main motion. Thank

4176
03:11:36,720 --> 03:11:39,359
you.

4177
03:11:37,600 --> 03:11:41,040
» And I don't see any discussion on that.

4178
03:11:39,359 --> 03:11:42,720
So let's go ahead and vote. All in

4179
03:11:41,040 --> 03:11:45,279
favor?

4180
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:46,518
and any opposed. So that is carried

4181
03:11:45,279 --> 03:11:48,319
unanimously and thank you everyone.

4182
03:11:46,518 --> 03:11:52,080
[clears throat] I hope everyone is you

4183
03:11:48,319 --> 03:11:57,120
know satisfied with that. Um the next uh

4184
03:11:52,080 --> 03:12:00,319
item is uh uh with director

4185
03:11:57,120 --> 03:12:01,840
Peridge Mabid here uh the recommendation

4186
03:12:00,319 --> 03:12:03,680
that committee of the whole recommend

4187
03:12:01,840 --> 03:12:06,399
council of the municipality of meford

4188
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:09,040
one direct staff to bring forward a

4189
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:12,399
bylaw to implement a 40 km speed limit

4190
03:12:09,040 --> 03:12:14,880
on municipal roads in urban meford. Two,

4191
03:12:12,399 --> 03:12:16,960
request the county of Gray to consider

4192
03:12:14,880 --> 03:12:20,000
implementing a 40 kilometer speed limit

4193
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:22,880
on Grey Road 7 from Psych Street South

4194
03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:25,760
to Mir Street. And three, authorize the

4195
03:12:22,880 --> 03:12:27,359
treasurer to transfer $40,500

4196
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:29,760
from the roads, street lights, and

4197
03:12:27,359 --> 03:12:31,760
drainage reserve fund to fund signage

4198
03:12:29,760 --> 03:12:34,240
and communications. Can I have a mover

4199
03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:36,399
and second for this?

4200
03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:40,240
Councelor Fer and Councelor Greenfield.

4201
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:43,359
Thank you. Um, discussion on this.

4202
03:12:40,240 --> 03:12:45,439
Um this uh did you wish to speak to it

4203
03:12:43,359 --> 03:12:47,920
Tori?

4204
03:12:45,439 --> 03:12:50,720
» Um through your worship I'd be happy to.

4205
03:12:47,920 --> 03:12:53,600
Um through our transportation master

4206
03:12:50,720 --> 03:12:57,680
plan um it did provide a recommendation

4207
03:12:53,600 --> 03:12:59,279
to bring forward to council um a 40 km

4208
03:12:57,680 --> 03:13:04,240
hour speed limit in our urban

4209
03:12:59,279 --> 03:13:08,800
boundaries. Um the there were changes to

4210
03:13:04,240 --> 03:13:11,279
um the Highway Traffic Act in 2017 that

4211
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:14,319
allow for municipalities to establish an

4212
03:13:11,279 --> 03:13:17,120
entire area uh at a speed limit of less

4213
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:18,800
than 50 km an hour. Um previously you

4214
03:13:17,120 --> 03:13:21,040
would have had to have signed all the

4215
03:13:18,800 --> 03:13:23,279
roads within those areas and now you can

4216
03:13:21,040 --> 03:13:26,800
create these gateway speed limit signage

4217
03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:30,239
that um uh allow for that lower speed

4218
03:13:26,800 --> 03:13:31,760
limit within uh larger areas. without

4219
03:13:30,239 --> 03:13:34,000
the additional signage. And so

4220
03:13:31,760 --> 03:13:35,760
municipalities have been looking to

4221
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:38,640
reduce speed limits in some of their

4222
03:13:35,760 --> 03:13:40,880
urban areas through this new um ability

4223
03:13:38,640 --> 03:13:42,960
through the highway traffic act. Um and

4224
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:45,120
so with that recommendation in the

4225
03:13:42,960 --> 03:13:47,680
transportation master plan um we wanted

4226
03:13:45,120 --> 03:13:50,239
to bring it forward to council um to see

4227
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:54,000
if there was appetite to complete this

4228
03:13:50,239 --> 03:13:56,399
within our urban area. Um, as a part of

4229
03:13:54,000 --> 03:13:58,800
the report, we've also identified some

4230
03:13:56,399 --> 03:14:00,160
alternative options. Um, and those

4231
03:13:58,800 --> 03:14:03,760
included some things that could be done

4232
03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:05,840
alongside this reduction as well as um

4233
03:14:03,760 --> 03:14:08,399
items that could be done instead of it.

4234
03:14:05,840 --> 03:14:11,359
And so, um, we could look at adding as

4235
03:14:08,399 --> 03:14:13,040
well um those um reduced speed limits in

4236
03:14:11,359 --> 03:14:15,600
our rural settlement areas in

4237
03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:17,359
conjunction with the urban area. Um,

4238
03:14:15,600 --> 03:14:18,960
instead of doing this, we can continue

4239
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:21,680
to look at specific speed limit

4240
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:23,200
reductions. Um and alongside it

4241
03:14:21,680 --> 03:14:26,080
obviously there's always the ability to

4242
03:14:23,200 --> 03:14:29,600
complete traffic calming um as it helps

4243
03:14:26,080 --> 03:14:33,359
with more of the enforcement of the

4244
03:14:29,600 --> 03:14:35,520
change speed limits. Um and so staff

4245
03:14:33,359 --> 03:14:38,479
have identified um the cost of the

4246
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:41,040
signage as well as a communications plan

4247
03:14:38,479 --> 03:14:43,359
um if uh council wishes to proceed with

4248
03:14:41,040 --> 03:14:47,279
the implementation of this. Um and we

4249
03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:50,560
estimated it would cost about um $40,000

4250
03:14:47,279 --> 03:14:52,720
um and feel that it would um provide

4251
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:54,000
great benefit from a safety perspective

4252
03:14:52,720 --> 03:14:55,840
as there have been many studies that

4253
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:59,439
have shown that reducing the speed limit

4254
03:14:55,840 --> 03:15:03,439
even that 10 km an hour um provides a a

4255
03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:05,520
significant um decrease in um fatalities

4256
03:15:03,439 --> 03:15:08,800
on our roadways.

4257
03:15:05,520 --> 03:15:11,920
» Thank you very much. Um, comments or

4258
03:15:08,800 --> 03:15:13,600
questions on this?

4259
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:15,760
Deputy Mayor.

4260
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:17,439
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, and I

4261
03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:19,279
appreciate Director Perry May bringing

4262
03:15:17,439 --> 03:15:21,040
this forward to us because we all hear

4263
03:15:19,279 --> 03:15:22,800
about speeding every day. We're hearing

4264
03:15:21,040 --> 03:15:24,640
about this issue, not just in Mayford,

4265
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:26,239
it's in the county. It's everywhere.

4266
03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:29,760
People just can't seem to slow down

4267
03:15:26,239 --> 03:15:31,359
these days. So, um, but from what I'm

4268
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:33,760
hearing in the community, you know,

4269
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:35,359
lowering to 40 is great, but what's

4270
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:37,760
going to happen to enforce it? If this

4271
03:15:35,359 --> 03:15:39,760
is not enforced, then people are still

4272
03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:42,160
going to drive at whatever speed they

4273
03:15:39,760 --> 03:15:44,239
normally do. So, I just want to

4274
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:46,800
understand if there's been conversation

4275
03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:48,880
at this point with the OP, you know, if

4276
03:15:46,800 --> 03:15:51,760
council agrees to do that, can we count

4277
03:15:48,880 --> 03:15:54,080
on them to have a presence in our urban

4278
03:15:51,760 --> 03:15:58,160
area to make sure that people understand

4279
03:15:54,080 --> 03:15:58,160
that we mean business moving to 40

4280
03:15:58,560 --> 03:16:02,399
through your worship. I have reached out

4281
03:16:00,319 --> 03:16:04,960
to the OP but haven't received comment

4282
03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:06,479
to date with regards to this program. Um

4283
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:09,120
I also didn't mention I have reached out

4284
03:16:06,479 --> 03:16:12,160
to the county and the MTO as well. Um

4285
03:16:09,120 --> 03:16:14,399
and um depending on council's wishes,

4286
03:16:12,160 --> 03:16:16,720
there's potential appetite to comm to to

4287
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:19,680
change speed limits within their

4288
03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:22,160
roadways as well. Um obviously we're we

4289
03:16:19,680 --> 03:16:24,880
are recommending that the school zone u

4290
03:16:22,160 --> 03:16:26,880
mimic the municipal roadways. Um but

4291
03:16:24,880 --> 03:16:28,640
there is an ability to to ask for

4292
03:16:26,880 --> 03:16:30,720
additional they would review it on their

4293
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:32,880
end and and we wouldn't necessarily be

4294
03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:34,960
able to provide any more input on that.

4295
03:16:32,880 --> 03:16:38,000
Um but to date there hasn't been

4296
03:16:34,960 --> 03:16:42,080
additional input from the OP. I do know

4297
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:44,720
in the past when um we have implemented

4298
03:16:42,080 --> 03:16:48,160
um specific areas that are community

4299
03:16:44,720 --> 03:16:51,359
safety zones, the OP did identify that

4300
03:16:48,160 --> 03:16:55,760
um having those varied speed limits all

4301
03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:57,760
over the the urban area um wasn't they

4302
03:16:55,760 --> 03:16:59,760
weren't able to enforce because some

4303
03:16:57,760 --> 03:17:04,399
areas were would have been 40 and some

4304
03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:08,080
of them would have been 50. Um, and so I

4305
03:17:04,399 --> 03:17:09,200
um I hope that they do provi to provide

4306
03:17:08,080 --> 03:17:11,040
us some input because it would be

4307
03:17:09,200 --> 03:17:12,960
helpful to understand if the blanketed

4308
03:17:11,040 --> 03:17:17,840
um 40 is more helpful for them to

4309
03:17:12,960 --> 03:17:20,880
enforce um than um lo varying locations

4310
03:17:17,840 --> 03:17:22,560
throughout the municipality.

4311
03:17:20,880 --> 03:17:24,640
» Council,

4312
03:17:22,560 --> 03:17:26,239
thank you, Mr. Mayor.

4313
03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:29,040
As much as it would be a nice thought to

4314
03:17:26,239 --> 03:17:30,880
think that I'm I'm just gonna and I'll

4315
03:17:29,040 --> 03:17:32,640
bring it up at the next OP board

4316
03:17:30,880 --> 03:17:34,399
meeting, but I'm going to say the

4317
03:17:32,640 --> 03:17:37,200
likelihood of them actually sitting in

4318
03:17:34,399 --> 03:17:40,160
Meford and enforcing it would be pretty

4319
03:17:37,200 --> 03:17:42,239
minimal at best. They have to cover a

4320
03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:45,200
very large area with a very limited

4321
03:17:42,239 --> 03:17:47,359
amount of officers. And the real reality

4322
03:17:45,200 --> 03:17:49,279
is every municipality would love to have

4323
03:17:47,359 --> 03:17:50,560
the police sitting in their community

4324
03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:53,359
just sitting there watching for

4325
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:56,239
speeders. The reality is that's probably

4326
03:17:53,359 --> 03:17:59,200
not very likely. So they are, as Tori

4327
03:17:56,239 --> 03:18:01,600
has said, they're they're hoping um and

4328
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:03,680
they will have obviously spot

4329
03:18:01,600 --> 03:18:05,200
availability, but they're hoping that

4330
03:18:03,680 --> 03:18:07,439
lowering speed limits is a

4331
03:18:05,200 --> 03:18:09,359
responsibility and you will get X amount

4332
03:18:07,439 --> 03:18:10,720
of the population that aders and you

4333
03:18:09,359 --> 03:18:13,200
know that you're going to get X that

4334
03:18:10,720 --> 03:18:15,680
doesn't and you you kind of work around

4335
03:18:13,200 --> 03:18:17,359
that. I do like the idea of other caling

4336
03:18:15,680 --> 03:18:20,000
measures in areas that we know are

4337
03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:22,800
concerning um because that is again

4338
03:18:20,000 --> 03:18:25,359
something that they also recommend um at

4339
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:29,120
those meetings um as ways to try and

4340
03:18:25,359 --> 03:18:31,200
help curb um constant speeding areas of

4341
03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:33,600
problems. So, but I will bring it up at

4342
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:35,920
next OP board meeting and ask as well.

4343
03:18:33,600 --> 03:18:38,800
But yeah, past conversations don't lead

4344
03:18:35,920 --> 03:18:40,640
towards that.

4345
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:42,239
» Councelor Bell.

4346
03:18:40,640 --> 03:18:43,840
» Thanks, Mr. Mayor. sort of put a point

4347
03:18:42,239 --> 03:18:46,080
on this. I'm really not interested in

4348
03:18:43,840 --> 03:18:48,319
dropping the speed limit at all. I think

4349
03:18:46,080 --> 03:18:50,720
we've seen that this council has uh

4350
03:18:48,319 --> 03:18:53,600
heard from neighborhoods like Ridge Road

4351
03:18:50,720 --> 03:18:57,120
in particular. They came, they talked

4352
03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:59,840
and uh council moved to do a reduction

4353
03:18:57,120 --> 03:19:01,359
in that particular area. The report says

4354
03:18:59,840 --> 03:19:03,600
that even when you do something like

4355
03:19:01,359 --> 03:19:07,200
that, the traffic flow basically is the

4356
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:08,720
same. But uh I certainly I certainly

4357
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:10,000
just don't want to see us just do a

4358
03:19:08,720 --> 03:19:12,080
blanket statement that you're going to

4359
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:15,840
slow right down when you come into the

4360
03:19:12,080 --> 03:19:17,840
town of Meford. And then more than that,

4361
03:19:15,840 --> 03:19:19,760
a recommendation to go out, you take a

4362
03:19:17,840 --> 03:19:20,960
look at Annen. You go out to Annen and

4363
03:19:19,760 --> 03:19:22,239
you're there and you're going over the

4364
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:23,920
hill and you're heading down to Le and

4365
03:19:22,239 --> 03:19:25,680
it's 80 km an hour and you're going to

4366
03:19:23,920 --> 03:19:27,680
change that to that. They're not going

4367
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:30,479
to like that for a minute. And then out

4368
03:19:27,680 --> 03:19:32,000
at Woodford up at the going around that,

4369
03:19:30,479 --> 03:19:33,760
you're going to be in trouble. And then

4370
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:35,200
the little spot that's just outside of

4371
03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:37,120
that, I'm not going for that. And I'm

4372
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:39,600
not going to do the one down in Bogner

4373
03:19:37,120 --> 03:19:41,520
either. They're out at Rockford. So, as

4374
03:19:39,600 --> 03:19:44,319
far as dropping the speed limits down to

4375
03:19:41,520 --> 03:19:46,000
40 kilometers an hour,

4376
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:48,160
I'm just not interested in doing that.

4377
03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:50,560
If people want to come and tell us that

4378
03:19:48,160 --> 03:19:53,840
their roads a problem, I'll entertain

4379
03:19:50,560 --> 03:19:55,840
the conversation then.

4380
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:57,680
» Councelor at least deputy mayor.

4381
03:19:55,840 --> 03:19:59,840
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And just uh to

4382
03:19:57,680 --> 03:20:01,920
councelor Bell's comments. I think the

4383
03:19:59,840 --> 03:20:03,680
more we have some at 40 and some at 50,

4384
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:06,319
then there's confusion out there as

4385
03:20:03,680 --> 03:20:07,760
drivers may not be paying really close

4386
03:20:06,319 --> 03:20:09,439
attention to, you know, which road

4387
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:11,680
they're on. But we've heard about

4388
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:14,000
Bayfield several times and the concern

4389
03:20:11,680 --> 03:20:16,880
around the new splash pad and the little

4390
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:18,640
beach that we need to undertake some

4391
03:20:16,880 --> 03:20:20,880
traffic calming measures there and one

4392
03:20:18,640 --> 03:20:22,640
of those would be a reduction in speed

4393
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:24,239
and I do believe at some point other

4394
03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:27,680
trafficcoming measures are coming for

4395
03:20:24,239 --> 03:20:30,239
that particular section. Um but just in

4396
03:20:27,680 --> 03:20:32,560
respect to Bogner um at the Bogner board

4397
03:20:30,239 --> 03:20:34,080
meeting last week, I did bring forward

4398
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:36,000
uh the mention that this report was

4399
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:38,239
coming up before council and the members

4400
03:20:36,000 --> 03:20:40,080
of the board suggested that they would

4401
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:42,880
like to see the speed limit drop to 40

4402
03:20:40,080 --> 03:20:44,239
in that urban section of Bogner where

4403
03:20:42,880 --> 03:20:46,000
kids are going back and forth between

4404
03:20:44,239 --> 03:20:48,560
the community center and the uh

4405
03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:50,560
ballpark. So, I think we're going to get

4406
03:20:48,560 --> 03:20:52,720
different answers from uh different

4407
03:20:50,560 --> 03:20:54,880
members of the community, but I I would

4408
03:20:52,720 --> 03:20:57,120
like to ask Tori then when you have that

4409
03:20:54,880 --> 03:20:59,120
conversation with the OP and and the

4410
03:20:57,120 --> 03:21:01,840
same with councelor Urick if if that

4411
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:04,720
information could come back to council

4412
03:21:01,840 --> 03:21:07,359
to uh to help us understand their

4413
03:21:04,720 --> 03:21:10,319
willingness in uh in supporting if this

4414
03:21:07,359 --> 03:21:12,640
passes the uh reduction to 40. I think

4415
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:14,800
you know if it goes to 40 at least then

4416
03:21:12,640 --> 03:21:17,439
it's clear that that's what it is all

4417
03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:20,000
over town not just on some roads because

4418
03:21:17,439 --> 03:21:22,800
you're right on ridge you know I guess

4419
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:25,200
the hope always is if the speed limit is

4420
03:21:22,800 --> 03:21:27,279
50 you know that they're drive 60 if

4421
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:29,359
it's 50 they'll drive you know if it's

4422
03:21:27,279 --> 03:21:31,279
40 they'll drive 50 I mean that's kind

4423
03:21:29,359 --> 03:21:33,760
of typically how people drive so at

4424
03:21:31,279 --> 03:21:36,000
least you slow it down potentially a

4425
03:21:33,760 --> 03:21:37,520
little bit but uh anyway I'll leave that

4426
03:21:36,000 --> 03:21:39,760
with you Tori to let us know when you

4427
03:21:37,520 --> 03:21:41,920
get a response

4428
03:21:39,760 --> 03:21:44,640
Councelor Porter.

4429
03:21:41,920 --> 03:21:48,399
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And through you,

4430
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:49,920
um I kind of look at it like um a pound

4431
03:21:48,399 --> 03:21:51,520
an ounce of prevention is better than a

4432
03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:54,080
pound of cure. And if this is an

4433
03:21:51,520 --> 03:21:56,160
initiative that can make um our road

4434
03:21:54,080 --> 03:21:58,560
safer and if it could even save one

4435
03:21:56,160 --> 03:21:59,760
life, um I would just hate for there to

4436
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:01,520
be an instance where we had an

4437
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:03,680
opportunity to make our road safer by

4438
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:05,680
reducing the speed and then there was a

4439
03:22:03,680 --> 03:22:08,160
tragic event and then we have to live

4440
03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:09,600
with that. Um, I agree not everybody's

4441
03:22:08,160 --> 03:22:11,680
going to follow the speed limit, but to

4442
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:13,840
the deputy mayor's, um, point is that if

4443
03:22:11,680 --> 03:22:15,439
you lower it, um, it will hopefully

4444
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:17,359
bring down the average speed that, uh,

4445
03:22:15,439 --> 03:22:19,200
people are traveling on. But there are

4446
03:22:17,359 --> 03:22:21,600
statistics that do back this up that if

4447
03:22:19,200 --> 03:22:24,560
you reduce from 50 to 40, risk of

4448
03:22:21,600 --> 03:22:27,520
pedestrian death is decreased by 35%.

4449
03:22:24,560 --> 03:22:29,600
Um, and so I I I'm in favor of this. If

4450
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:31,920
it can save one person's life, um,

4451
03:22:29,600 --> 03:22:33,760
that's to me that's that's a step in the

4452
03:22:31,920 --> 03:22:35,200
right direction. Community safety is

4453
03:22:33,760 --> 03:22:36,880
something we should take very seriously

4454
03:22:35,200 --> 03:22:38,399
and I would hate to be in a reactive

4455
03:22:36,880 --> 03:22:40,160
situation where we had a chance to do

4456
03:22:38,399 --> 03:22:42,000
something and something bad happened.

4457
03:22:40,160 --> 03:22:42,720
Um, so I'll I'll be in favor of this

4458
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,720
one. Thank you,

4459
03:22:42,720 --> 03:22:48,160
» Councor Greenfield.

4460
03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:49,920
» Thank you, Worship. Um, I'm in favor of

4461
03:22:48,160 --> 03:22:54,960
uh dropping the speed limit in the

4462
03:22:49,920 --> 03:22:58,560
settlement areas uh down to 40. Um

4463
03:22:54,960 --> 03:23:01,120
the the only one that we can do

4464
03:22:58,560 --> 03:23:03,600
individually would be Woodford. Uh since

4465
03:23:01,120 --> 03:23:07,680
all the others involve county roads that

4466
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:11,680
would be up up to the county. Uh and I

4467
03:23:07,680 --> 03:23:14,000
was actually wondering about not today

4468
03:23:11,680 --> 03:23:17,680
necessarily but in the future uh

4469
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:20,560
introducing another area and that is

4470
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:23,200
that's in a a hamlet that we no longer

4471
03:23:20,560 --> 03:23:25,680
call a hamlet but I still think of as a

4472
03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:28,080
hamlet and that's Gersville. And as you

4473
03:23:25,680 --> 03:23:30,960
turn off County Road 7 and go east on

4474
03:23:28,080 --> 03:23:34,880
Gersville there are just quite a number

4475
03:23:30,960 --> 03:23:39,439
of residential uh uh dwellings there.

4476
03:23:34,880 --> 03:23:43,520
And uh uh I I think that would perhaps

4477
03:23:39,439 --> 03:23:48,720
be another place in the future. But I no

4478
03:23:43,520 --> 03:23:50,800
uh I I think the uh uh in conversation

4479
03:23:48,720 --> 03:23:54,319
recently with some good folks out at

4480
03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:57,279
Leaf they uh they suggested and and this

4481
03:23:54,319 --> 03:24:00,399
pertain to the Beayshore road uh that

4482
03:23:57,279 --> 03:24:04,080
the speed limit on it should be 40

4483
03:24:00,399 --> 03:24:06,880
kilometers. So, I' uh um I'd like to see

4484
03:24:04,080 --> 03:24:10,880
it dropped. Uh yes, it's going to

4485
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:12,800
involve enforcement. Uh like any any and

4486
03:24:10,880 --> 03:24:16,080
all other enforcement, I think we'll do

4487
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:19,359
the best job we can, but uh uh as the

4488
03:24:16,080 --> 03:24:23,600
deputy mayor says, uh you know, 60 means

4489
03:24:19,359 --> 03:24:24,960
50. 70 means 60. So, there is some

4490
03:24:23,600 --> 03:24:26,800
benefit.

4491
03:24:24,960 --> 03:24:28,880
I'm definitely voting in favor of this

4492
03:24:26,800 --> 03:24:30,720
motion for the simple reason that uh I

4493
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:33,920
could give you a list as long as my arm

4494
03:24:30,720 --> 03:24:35,760
of the uh municipalities that are um

4495
03:24:33,920 --> 03:24:39,200
agitating to have the speed limit

4496
03:24:35,760 --> 03:24:41,760
lowered. U there's you know Leath is

4497
03:24:39,200 --> 03:24:46,239
just one of many and I think that uh

4498
03:24:41,760 --> 03:24:48,880
this is um the it we'll just be faced

4499
03:24:46,239 --> 03:24:51,120
with peacemealing this you know over and

4500
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:52,960
over and over again. So that's that's my

4501
03:24:51,120 --> 03:24:56,880
reason for supporting it anyway. And and

4502
03:24:52,960 --> 03:24:59,600
I I also subscribe to councelor Ford's

4503
03:24:56,880 --> 03:25:02,640
idea. Those statistics are pretty

4504
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:05,920
compelling. Uh how much safer uh

4505
03:25:02,640 --> 03:25:09,120
pedestrians and people in automobiles

4506
03:25:05,920 --> 03:25:13,760
are uh when the speed limit is 40 versus

4507
03:25:09,120 --> 03:25:15,120
50 in um in in the builtup areas.

4508
03:25:13,760 --> 03:25:18,960
Councelor Andis.

4509
03:25:15,120 --> 03:25:20,399
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. just um I

4510
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:23,359
appreciate the [clears throat] spec uh

4511
03:25:20,399 --> 03:25:27,600
statistics on how changing the speed

4512
03:25:23,359 --> 03:25:30,560
affects um rates of of of incidences.

4513
03:25:27,600 --> 03:25:36,640
I'm just curious though if we have data

4514
03:25:30,560 --> 03:25:38,640
on how unsafe our roads actually are. Um

4515
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:40,399
cuz I I feel like I'm just voting to

4516
03:25:38,640 --> 03:25:43,200
reduce a number, but for all I know, it

4517
03:25:40,399 --> 03:25:45,520
could be very minimal anyway. And I uh

4518
03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:50,560
agree that um you know saving even one

4519
03:25:45,520 --> 03:25:52,399
life um is uh you know desirable but um

4520
03:25:50,560 --> 03:25:55,399
I just I I would like to know that

4521
03:25:52,399 --> 03:25:55,399
background

4522
03:25:58,160 --> 03:26:03,120
» Um through your worship. I guess safety

4523
03:26:01,200 --> 03:26:04,800
on roads can be measured through many

4524
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:06,720
different

4525
03:26:04,800 --> 03:26:11,680
um

4526
03:26:06,720 --> 03:26:14,960
metrics. Um, I did review our current

4527
03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:18,000
um, average speed and 85th percentile

4528
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:19,760
speeds on our urban roadways um, as I

4529
03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:22,239
was preparing this report. And it was

4530
03:26:19,760 --> 03:26:25,920
actually really interesting to see that

4531
03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:28,640
a majority of our roads um, already have

4532
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:30,319
speeds below 50 kilometers an hour and

4533
03:26:28,640 --> 03:26:31,760
so this change of speed limit might

4534
03:26:30,319 --> 03:26:34,800
actually be more in tune to what people

4535
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:36,880
are actually traveling on the roads. Um

4536
03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:39,359
however there are locations where we do

4537
03:26:36,880 --> 03:26:41,520
get residents identifying um on a

4538
03:26:39,359 --> 03:26:43,040
regular basis concerns with speeds and

4539
03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:45,359
two of the ones that we have in recent

4540
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:47,439
years made changes to our Miller Street

4541
03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:50,319
and Pearson and Ridge Road um which

4542
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:52,640
we've dropped to that 40 km an hour. Um

4543
03:26:50,319 --> 03:26:55,520
through our traffic count data, we have

4544
03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:57,359
seen um slight reductions in average

4545
03:26:55,520 --> 03:27:01,279
speed in those two locations because of

4546
03:26:57,359 --> 03:27:03,520
the um the items that were done on those

4547
03:27:01,279 --> 03:27:06,640
two roads. both um some traffic calming

4548
03:27:03,520 --> 03:27:14,520
as as well as that reduction in speed.

4549
03:27:06,640 --> 03:27:14,520
Um and so um again it it it varies. Um

4550
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:17,560
we

4551
03:27:17,600 --> 03:27:20,720
additional data was requested from

4552
03:27:19,439 --> 03:27:23,680
council. We can definitely look into

4553
03:27:20,720 --> 03:27:28,000
other avenues of assessing safety on our

4554
03:27:23,680 --> 03:27:30,560
roadways. Um but it from looking at

4555
03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:33,520
other municipalities um you know and as

4556
03:27:30,560 --> 03:27:36,319
kind of discussed here um that if the

4557
03:27:33,520 --> 03:27:39,840
speed uh is reduced or the speed limits

4558
03:27:36,319 --> 03:27:42,080
reduced you know um on average

4559
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:46,319
municipalities are seeing those

4560
03:27:42,080 --> 03:27:48,080
reduction in speeds overall and so um I

4561
03:27:46,319 --> 03:27:50,000
don't see why we wouldn't see similar

4562
03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:53,200
trends that other municipalities are

4563
03:27:50,000 --> 03:27:54,800
seeing um which then lend to those um

4564
03:27:53,200 --> 03:27:56,880
statistics that are identified in the

4565
03:27:54,800 --> 03:27:57,760
report.

4566
03:27:56,880 --> 03:27:59,359
» Council Randis,

4567
03:27:57,760 --> 03:28:01,439
» It's a followup. Thank you. Um then I'm

4568
03:27:59,359 --> 03:28:04,640
I'm wondering also if there's a comment

4569
03:28:01,439 --> 03:28:08,080
on um how changing the speeds like this

4570
03:28:04,640 --> 03:28:09,600
would affect traffic flow. Um cuz it's

4571
03:28:08,080 --> 03:28:11,760
things are going to get busier over time

4572
03:28:09,600 --> 03:28:13,120
and so if we make a a step now that's

4573
03:28:11,760 --> 03:28:16,479
going to change the speed essentially

4574
03:28:13,120 --> 03:28:19,200
forever uh you know functionally um what

4575
03:28:16,479 --> 03:28:21,439
what the impacts of that could be. And

4576
03:28:19,200 --> 03:28:23,279
just thinking about residents who

4577
03:28:21,439 --> 03:28:25,359
comment on speed. I know a lot of people

4578
03:28:23,279 --> 03:28:27,359
personally who will comment on everybody

4579
03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:29,600
blowing by their house and you know say

4580
03:28:27,359 --> 03:28:31,359
oh my road is in a raceway and then get

4581
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:35,120
in a car and speed past somebody else's

4582
03:28:31,359 --> 03:28:36,880
house. So I don't like I appreciate

4583
03:28:35,120 --> 03:28:38,720
their concerns and there are some roads

4584
03:28:36,880 --> 03:28:40,880
that are you know the way they're built

4585
03:28:38,720 --> 03:28:42,800
and designed lends itself to people kind

4586
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:45,680
of ripping through like I think Ridge is

4587
03:28:42,800 --> 03:28:46,960
a great example. Bayfield is kind of an

4588
03:28:45,680 --> 03:28:48,160
interesting example because I feel like

4589
03:28:46,960 --> 03:28:49,439
most people on Bayfield aren't looking

4590
03:28:48,160 --> 03:28:51,600
at the road, they're looking at the

4591
03:28:49,439 --> 03:28:54,399
water, which you know, slower speeds

4592
03:28:51,600 --> 03:28:56,640
probably good for that. Um, but for the

4593
03:28:54,399 --> 03:28:58,800
most part,

4594
03:28:56,640 --> 03:29:01,680
I feel like everything's pretty safe.

4595
03:28:58,800 --> 03:29:03,200
So, I don't see a need to reduce it just

4596
03:29:01,680 --> 03:29:06,399
because.

4597
03:29:03,200 --> 03:29:07,680
Um, but I'm also cognizant of, you know,

4598
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:08,880
we'll obviously feel terrible if we

4599
03:29:07,680 --> 03:29:10,640
don't do it in something it was

4600
03:29:08,880 --> 03:29:12,160
something preventable. So, I I don't

4601
03:29:10,640 --> 03:29:13,680
know. I just I feel like I need a a

4602
03:29:12,160 --> 03:29:16,319
better sense of that side of this the

4603
03:29:13,680 --> 03:29:18,319
equation before I would feel comfortable

4604
03:29:16,319 --> 03:29:21,040
um just deciding right now to change all

4605
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:22,080
the speed limits.

4606
03:29:21,040 --> 03:29:25,359
» Tori, please.

4607
03:29:22,080 --> 03:29:28,479
» Um through your worship to speak to um

4608
03:29:25,359 --> 03:29:31,920
traffic flow. Um

4609
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:33,600
Miller Street is one of our busiest um

4610
03:29:31,920 --> 03:29:37,520
municipal roadways within the

4611
03:29:33,600 --> 03:29:39,279
municipality. Um, and there has been no

4612
03:29:37,520 --> 03:29:43,520
change in traffic flow when we've

4613
03:29:39,279 --> 03:29:45,680
reduced the speed limit to um from 50 km

4614
03:29:43,520 --> 03:29:48,239
an hour to 40. There there I I'm not

4615
03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:50,640
aware of any any changes to or like

4616
03:29:48,239 --> 03:29:52,000
issues that that created. Um, Pearson

4617
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:54,560
and Ridge is another really good

4618
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:56,640
example. Um it also has a higher traffic

4619
03:29:54,560 --> 03:29:58,479
flow in comparison to a lot of our uh

4620
03:29:56,640 --> 03:30:00,560
municipal roads and again there's been

4621
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:03,359
no um traffic concerns identified with

4622
03:30:00,560 --> 03:30:05,600
regards to um flow or or the amount of

4623
03:30:03,359 --> 03:30:08,640
traffic that we're now seeing. Um and

4624
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:12,239
those um the amount of vehicles on those

4625
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:15,040
roads have also continued to um increase

4626
03:30:12,239 --> 03:30:16,960
over time and again the the change in

4627
03:30:15,040 --> 03:30:18,479
speed limit hasn't affected how the the

4628
03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:20,399
flow of the traffic is occurring on

4629
03:30:18,479 --> 03:30:22,960
those roads. So using those two as an

4630
03:30:20,399 --> 03:30:24,640
example within our own municipality, I

4631
03:30:22,960 --> 03:30:27,680
don't see that the the roads that would

4632
03:30:24,640 --> 03:30:29,600
have less flow would be of concern. Um

4633
03:30:27,680 --> 03:30:31,680
and this is part of the reason why staff

4634
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:34,399
have identified keeping those arterial

4635
03:30:31,680 --> 03:30:37,760
roads. So both um Nelson Street as well

4636
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:41,040
as Highway uh Psych Street, Highway 26

4637
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:44,640
at that 50 km an hour. Um so that you

4638
03:30:41,040 --> 03:30:47,359
know those are and designed to be higher

4639
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:49,200
flow uh roads and and accept more

4640
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:53,439
traffic and so to keep those at the 50

4641
03:30:49,200 --> 03:30:55,920
kmter an hour so that um cars can still

4642
03:30:53,439 --> 03:30:58,000
um travel um through our municipality

4643
03:30:55,920 --> 03:31:01,920
and and through downtown Meford and not

4644
03:30:58,000 --> 03:31:04,239
experience any negative um impacts um

4645
03:31:01,920 --> 03:31:07,040
due to changes but then on our on our

4646
03:31:04,239 --> 03:31:09,680
less on our lower volume roads um have

4647
03:31:07,040 --> 03:31:10,720
have that reduction in speed. Councelor

4648
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:12,800
Yuri.

4649
03:31:10,720 --> 03:31:14,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, councelor

4650
03:31:12,800 --> 03:31:17,840
Andis, just maybe help you a little bit.

4651
03:31:14,800 --> 03:31:20,880
Statistically, the OP 25 annual report

4652
03:31:17,840 --> 03:31:23,040
last year, uh, in 2023 there were four,

4653
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:25,760
2024 there were nine. In 2025, there

4654
03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:29,520
were 11 fatalities. So, that's all of

4655
03:31:25,760 --> 03:31:33,279
Gray Bruce area. So, are we a high high

4656
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:36,239
area of, you know, literally fatalities?

4657
03:31:33,279 --> 03:31:38,239
No. Having said that speeding in 2023

4658
03:31:36,239 --> 03:31:43,439
there were 2004

4659
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:45,840
uh issued uh 2024 1936 25 1927 it's

4660
03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:49,680
coming down and they do attribute that

4661
03:31:45,840 --> 03:31:53,279
as well to a more coverage by OP uh more

4662
03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:56,160
actual more actual OP coverage but again

4663
03:31:53,279 --> 03:31:58,080
they do say that yes reducing speed is

4664
03:31:56,160 --> 03:32:00,399
helping in that factor because be the

4665
03:31:58,080 --> 03:32:03,600
more you can make aware the more people

4666
03:32:00,399 --> 03:32:06,000
actually do somewhat so if you can get a

4667
03:32:03,600 --> 03:32:08,800
percentage slowing down contributes to

4668
03:32:06,000 --> 03:32:10,800
the overall. So, take those stats for

4669
03:32:08,800 --> 03:32:11,680
what it's worth.

4670
03:32:10,800 --> 03:32:13,200
» Councelor Andis,

4671
03:32:11,680 --> 03:32:15,680
» Thank you. Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh,

4672
03:32:13,200 --> 03:32:19,040
to councelor Yurig, just wondering then,

4673
03:32:15,680 --> 03:32:21,040
um, are are those stats applied to like

4674
03:32:19,040 --> 03:32:23,920
urban settlement areas or are they just

4675
03:32:21,040 --> 03:32:26,880
across the counties?

4676
03:32:23,920 --> 03:32:30,399
Okay.

4677
03:32:26,880 --> 03:32:34,399
» Um, I'm going to call the vote if people

4678
03:32:30,399 --> 03:32:36,479
are ready. Um all in favor

4679
03:32:34,399 --> 03:32:39,359
opposed.

4680
03:32:36,479 --> 03:32:44,479
Well, that is a 5 to2 vote. Uh thank you

4681
03:32:39,359 --> 03:32:46,399
very much. Now um we have a planning

4682
03:32:44,479 --> 03:32:49,840
public meeting coming up at 5:00 p.m.

4683
03:32:46,399 --> 03:32:51,680
this afternoon and uh our

4684
03:32:49,840 --> 03:32:54,080
council chambers are already beginning

4685
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:57,840
to fill for that meeting. So I'm going

4686
03:32:54,080 --> 03:32:59,279
to uh temporarily adjourn. Uh go ahead

4687
03:32:57,840 --> 03:33:00,960
tell us what we should be doing.

4688
03:32:59,279 --> 03:33:02,239
» Thank you. I was just going to comment

4689
03:33:00,960 --> 03:33:04,000
that it might be an appropriate time for

4690
03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:05,680
a motion to extend the proceedings

4691
03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:07,920
because typically we have a 3 and 1 half

4692
03:33:05,680 --> 03:33:09,920
hour and it's 4:30 now. So, we'll have a

4693
03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:12,000
motion to extend and then if if council

4694
03:33:09,920 --> 03:33:14,880
wants to continue or take a recess prior

4695
03:33:12,000 --> 03:33:17,359
to the 5:00, we'll reorganize the agenda

4696
03:33:14,880 --> 03:33:20,160
to move the planning public meeting up

4697
03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:21,439
for when uh the 5:00 because we are in

4698
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:21,760
the middle of the the regular council

4699
03:33:21,439 --> 03:33:23,200
meeting.

4700
03:33:21,760 --> 03:33:25,600
» You want to bear on, right?

4701
03:33:23,200 --> 03:33:27,359
» So, no, sorry. My first my first item

4702
03:33:25,600 --> 03:33:29,600
would be uh if we could have a motion to

4703
03:33:27,359 --> 03:33:32,319
extend the meeting that would be great

4704
03:33:29,600 --> 03:33:34,479
and then um it's sort of council's wish

4705
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:36,560
if we want to work through one more

4706
03:33:34,479 --> 03:33:39,840
report or if we want uh if council

4707
03:33:36,560 --> 03:33:41,439
wishes to take a 25minut uh break then

4708
03:33:39,840 --> 03:33:43,200
that might be appropriate as well to let

4709
03:33:41,439 --> 03:33:46,479
people come in. There are actually three

4710
03:33:43,200 --> 03:33:48,479
items uh left on the con on the uh

4711
03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:51,520
committee of the whole agenda and they

4712
03:33:48,479 --> 03:33:53,760
are pretty u um they're not

4713
03:33:51,520 --> 03:33:56,160
controversial and I imagine we could uh

4714
03:33:53,760 --> 03:33:58,319
you know cover that before we adjourned.

4715
03:33:56,160 --> 03:34:00,800
So uh let's uh do that but I need a

4716
03:33:58,319 --> 03:34:03,520
motion to uh continue beyond uh 4:30

4717
03:34:00,800 --> 03:34:06,640
this afternoon. Uh councelor Urick and

4718
03:34:03,520 --> 03:34:08,560
councelor Greenfield all in favor.

4719
03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:12,880
Any opposed? That is carried unanimously

4720
03:34:08,560 --> 03:34:15,840
and we'll move on to u um legislative

4721
03:34:12,880 --> 03:34:17,439
services. Um

4722
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:22,080
sorry

4723
03:34:17,439 --> 03:34:25,120
uh item G which is an award report

4724
03:34:22,080 --> 03:34:29,600
is the next one on uh the index.

4725
03:34:25,120 --> 03:34:31,840
» Oh right. Okay. Um [laughter]

4726
03:34:29,600 --> 03:34:34,880
the way it is uh presented here it looks

4727
03:34:31,840 --> 03:34:37,520
like uh it's the uh the report we just

4728
03:34:34,880 --> 03:34:40,399
passed proposed speed limit is in caps

4729
03:34:37,520 --> 03:34:42,560
right above it. Sorry. So then uh four

4730
03:34:40,399 --> 03:34:45,120
items and this one again is not I don't

4731
03:34:42,560 --> 03:34:46,880
think contentious. The recommendation is

4732
03:34:45,120 --> 03:34:49,600
uh that committee of the whole recommend

4733
03:34:46,880 --> 03:34:52,160
council of the municipality of meford

4734
03:34:49,600 --> 03:34:55,279
approve the award of tender uh

4735
03:34:52,160 --> 03:34:57,600
transportation 2026-16

4736
03:34:55,279 --> 03:35:01,600
supply and delivery of various fuel and

4737
03:34:57,600 --> 03:35:05,120
oil products to 9412401

4738
03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:09,560
heating limited um that's Brian's fuel

4739
03:35:05,120 --> 03:35:09,560
at a tendered cost of $2,791,387

4740
03:35:10,640 --> 03:35:16,160
including the municipality's non-ref

4741
03:35:12,960 --> 03:35:18,479
refundable allocation of HST over a

4742
03:35:16,160 --> 03:35:20,560
5-year agreement and to authorize the

4743
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:22,800
Marin clerk to enter into the necessary

4744
03:35:20,560 --> 03:35:25,359
agreement. Can I have a mover and second

4745
03:35:22,800 --> 03:35:29,279
councelor Bell and Councelor Greenfield?

4746
03:35:25,359 --> 03:35:31,120
Thank you. Um,

4747
03:35:29,279 --> 03:35:33,600
does anyone wish to speak to this from

4748
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:36,720
staff? Tori,

4749
03:35:33,600 --> 03:35:38,560
» Through your worship. Thank you. Um,

4750
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:41,680
this is a standard award report for us

4751
03:35:38,560 --> 03:35:45,120
to proceed with um a new fuel contract.

4752
03:35:41,680 --> 03:35:49,200
Um just some key things to note. Um

4753
03:35:45,120 --> 03:35:50,960
while we only received one bid, um we do

4754
03:35:49,200 --> 03:35:54,640
feel that it is quite competitive in

4755
03:35:50,960 --> 03:35:58,560
reviewing the last um uh tendering

4756
03:35:54,640 --> 03:36:02,000
process. Um we did when we did receive

4757
03:35:58,560 --> 03:36:04,479
multiple bids. Um the successful bid was

4758
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:07,439
2 cents under rack rate while this bid

4759
03:36:04,479 --> 03:36:09,359
is um between seven and 9 cents below

4760
03:36:07,439 --> 03:36:11,840
rack rate. So it will reduce what we're

4761
03:36:09,359 --> 03:36:14,560
currently spending. um which we see

4762
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:16,399
quite favorable. Um the other benefit is

4763
03:36:14,560 --> 03:36:19,840
we won't need to transition any of the

4764
03:36:16,399 --> 03:36:22,080
existing infrastructure we have with um

4765
03:36:19,840 --> 03:36:25,680
Brian's fuel. So there's benefit as well

4766
03:36:22,080 --> 03:36:27,520
to have that continuity. Um um but

4767
03:36:25,680 --> 03:36:30,160
otherwise if you Oh, the only other

4768
03:36:27,520 --> 03:36:32,960
thing I did want to note is while this

4769
03:36:30,160 --> 03:36:35,840
um is presented in yearly costs, it's

4770
03:36:32,960 --> 03:36:39,359
very much based on what fuel prices are.

4771
03:36:35,840 --> 03:36:42,319
And so everything is based on rack rate.

4772
03:36:39,359 --> 03:36:44,880
um in May when this went out as a tender

4773
03:36:42,319 --> 03:36:46,560
um the rack rate was higher than what

4774
03:36:44,880 --> 03:36:48,399
we're seeing today. I looked at to see

4775
03:36:46,560 --> 03:36:51,760
and I have as I was preparing this

4776
03:36:48,399 --> 03:36:56,080
report and so for example um the regular

4777
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:59,120
fuel rack rate today is um $125 is what

4778
03:36:56,080 --> 03:37:02,960
and but in the um tendering process it

4779
03:36:59,120 --> 03:37:04,960
was identified as an example at $147. So

4780
03:37:02,960 --> 03:37:08,479
um obviously we know things right now

4781
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:12,319
are going up and down um with what is

4782
03:37:08,479 --> 03:37:16,960
happening around the world um but um

4783
03:37:12,319 --> 03:37:19,120
these specific um bigger um bucket items

4784
03:37:16,960 --> 03:37:21,520
per year um doesn't mean that we'll

4785
03:37:19,120 --> 03:37:24,479
actually spend that. It will change with

4786
03:37:21,520 --> 03:37:26,479
what the industry costs are.

4787
03:37:24,479 --> 03:37:28,399
» Councelor Greenfield.

4788
03:37:26,479 --> 03:37:31,200
» Thanks your

4789
03:37:28,399 --> 03:37:33,359
thank you through you to Victoria. Uh

4790
03:37:31,200 --> 03:37:39,520
thanks. I I'm wondering a couple of

4791
03:37:33,359 --> 03:37:42,640
things. First of all, uh is the turmoil

4792
03:37:39,520 --> 03:37:45,840
uh in the Middle East. Uh one of the

4793
03:37:42,640 --> 03:37:48,239
reasons why we only got one bid, could

4794
03:37:45,840 --> 03:37:51,680
that be a factor on that? And I guess

4795
03:37:48,239 --> 03:37:54,399
the other reason is is is this

4796
03:37:51,680 --> 03:37:56,399
absolutely fixed rate? Is is there are

4797
03:37:54,399 --> 03:37:59,040
there any straight of door moves

4798
03:37:56,399 --> 03:38:03,760
conditions involved in this or is this

4799
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:06,640
going to be the the five-year number

4800
03:38:03,760 --> 03:38:08,640
» Through your worship? Um there's a

4801
03:38:06,640 --> 03:38:12,160
potential that the uncertainty in the

4802
03:38:08,640 --> 03:38:16,160
industry is why we only received one um

4803
03:38:12,160 --> 03:38:20,080
bid, but um obviously we um don't know

4804
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:22,720
if that that is the the reason. Um the

4805
03:38:20,080 --> 03:38:25,120
um so the contract is set up that the

4806
03:38:22,720 --> 03:38:28,160
the rate we pay is based on the Toronto

4807
03:38:25,120 --> 03:38:32,479
rack rate. So yes, whatever happens um

4808
03:38:28,160 --> 03:38:35,120
with pricing um in for for fuel in based

4809
03:38:32,479 --> 03:38:38,560
in Toronto um that is the price we pay.

4810
03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:40,720
And so um depending on if fuel costs

4811
03:38:38,560 --> 03:38:43,200
increase or decrease, this contract will

4812
03:38:40,720 --> 03:38:46,000
increase and decrease with those. And as

4813
03:38:43,200 --> 03:38:47,439
I had stated um as of today, those costs

4814
03:38:46,000 --> 03:38:49,200
are actually lower than what we tendered

4815
03:38:47,439 --> 03:38:50,720
this out as. So if we were to have

4816
03:38:49,200 --> 03:38:51,760
tendered this today, this report would

4817
03:38:50,720 --> 03:38:54,160
have looked slightly different with

4818
03:38:51,760 --> 03:38:56,080
slightly lower costs. Um but we all know

4819
03:38:54,160 --> 03:38:58,399
that there's uncertainties around this

4820
03:38:56,080 --> 03:39:00,239
as of right now. Um but this is how

4821
03:38:58,399 --> 03:39:03,520
these are set up is that yes, it is

4822
03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:06,880
based on um the fluctuating costs. Um

4823
03:39:03,520 --> 03:39:10,720
and what we will be spending is um that

4824
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:12,479
7 to 9 cents below what those costs are.

4825
03:39:10,720 --> 03:39:14,319
um whereas in our current contract we

4826
03:39:12,479 --> 03:39:17,359
were spending two cents below what those

4827
03:39:14,319 --> 03:39:19,439
costs are. So regardless of those costs

4828
03:39:17,359 --> 03:39:23,960
we will be seeing a cost savings between

4829
03:39:19,439 --> 03:39:23,960
the last contract and this contract

4830
03:39:25,200 --> 03:39:29,920
» Councelor for thank you Mr. Mayor and

4831
03:39:28,319 --> 03:39:33,120
through you and I guess this would be to

4832
03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:34,880
Tori. Um so the prices um that are

4833
03:39:33,120 --> 03:39:37,040
provided here below the Toronto rack

4834
03:39:34,880 --> 03:39:38,640
rate does that represent the complete

4835
03:39:37,040 --> 03:39:41,520
delivered price or are there other

4836
03:39:38,640 --> 03:39:44,880
charges like fees fuel search charges is

4837
03:39:41,520 --> 03:39:46,560
is that an all-in price or

4838
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:48,560
» Um through worship that this is the

4839
03:39:46,560 --> 03:39:51,200
all-in price that we would be seeing um

4840
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:52,000
on our invoices.

4841
03:39:51,200 --> 03:39:53,920
» Yes.

4842
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:56,239
» Uh thank you Mr. Mayor for indulging me.

4843
03:39:53,920 --> 03:39:59,840
And so obviously this contract does have

4844
03:39:56,239 --> 03:40:02,560
the option to extend for five one-year

4845
03:39:59,840 --> 03:40:04,000
uh terms. Um is that something after the

4846
03:40:02,560 --> 03:40:08,600
5 years that would come back to council

4847
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:08,600
or who has the authority to extend that?

4848
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:15,600
» Um depending on the price, but yes, this

4849
03:40:13,040 --> 03:40:17,520
price is

4850
03:40:15,600 --> 03:40:18,960
it because of the price of this it would

4851
03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:22,479
be coming to council because it's over

4852
03:40:18,960 --> 03:40:24,160
that threshold of the $200,000.

4853
03:40:22,479 --> 03:40:26,080
Any

4854
03:40:24,160 --> 03:40:28,800
other questions?

4855
03:40:26,080 --> 03:40:31,279
Going to call a vote. All in favor? Any

4856
03:40:28,800 --> 03:40:36,319
opposed? So as carried unanimously.

4857
03:40:31,279 --> 03:40:39,120
Thank you. Um the next item is um

4858
03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:41,439
uh for legislative services.

4859
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:43,279
The recommendation is that uh the

4860
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:45,359
committee of a whole recommend council

4861
03:40:43,279 --> 03:40:47,760
of the municipality of Meford one enact

4862
03:40:45,359 --> 03:40:50,319
a bylaw to adopt a policy governance

4863
03:40:47,760 --> 03:40:52,399
framework and two direct staff to

4864
03:40:50,319 --> 03:40:54,880
undertake a review of the municipality's

4865
03:40:52,399 --> 03:40:58,239
existing policies and bring forward a

4866
03:40:54,880 --> 03:41:00,399
policy inventory and review schedule for

4867
03:40:58,239 --> 03:41:04,479
council's consideration as outlined in

4868
03:41:00,399 --> 03:41:06,560
report legislative services 2026-09.

4869
03:41:04,479 --> 03:41:09,279
mover in a second, please. Councelor, at

4870
03:41:06,560 --> 03:41:11,600
least deputy mayor and councelor Bell.

4871
03:41:09,279 --> 03:41:14,960
Um,

4872
03:41:11,600 --> 03:41:16,479
do you wish to speak to that? Uh, clerk.

4873
03:41:14,960 --> 03:41:18,000
» Thank you, your worship. I I think

4874
03:41:16,479 --> 03:41:19,439
probably Allison and I are prepared to

4875
03:41:18,000 --> 03:41:20,720
take any questions. I just want to

4876
03:41:19,439 --> 03:41:23,359
comment that probably this is the

4877
03:41:20,720 --> 03:41:25,920
clerkiest clerk report ever to have a

4878
03:41:23,359 --> 03:41:27,200
policy of policies. So, if if uh there

4879
03:41:25,920 --> 03:41:28,640
are any questions, we're happy to take

4880
03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:30,960
them. Thank you.

4881
03:41:28,640 --> 03:41:33,279
» Okay.

4882
03:41:30,960 --> 03:41:35,840
So, you you'll take our questions. Okay.

4883
03:41:33,279 --> 03:41:38,560
Uh so councelor Bell.

4884
03:41:35,840 --> 03:41:42,160
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. So um the

4885
03:41:38,560 --> 03:41:44,720
background uh comments the very first

4886
03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:46,560
paragraph

4887
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:48,000
when I read this I have to ask the

4888
03:41:46,560 --> 03:41:50,080
question has this council been doing

4889
03:41:48,000 --> 03:41:51,600
something which staff feels is improper

4890
03:41:50,080 --> 03:41:54,000
because we got reminded what the

4891
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:56,640
municipal act says about council making

4892
03:41:54,000 --> 03:41:59,120
the decisions and staff implementing

4893
03:41:56,640 --> 03:42:01,600
those decisions and I believe that we

4894
03:41:59,120 --> 03:42:03,520
have been doing that going down and

4895
03:42:01,600 --> 03:42:05,760
reading it further that says we've got

4896
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:08,160
policies that we're doing that are not

4897
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:10,399
right that we need to review them. I'm

4898
03:42:08,160 --> 03:42:13,200
just interested as why why was the

4899
03:42:10,399 --> 03:42:14,960
municipal act quoted on the

4900
03:42:13,200 --> 03:42:18,080
responsibilities of roles and

4901
03:42:14,960 --> 03:42:20,080
responsibilities of council and staff if

4902
03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:22,640
what we're really doing is saying we've

4903
03:42:20,080 --> 03:42:25,680
got some policies that simply need to be

4904
03:42:22,640 --> 03:42:30,359
reviewed. I just didn't know why we were

4905
03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:30,359
reminded of our duty.

4906
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:34,880
» Thank you for the question and through

4907
03:42:32,319 --> 03:42:36,000
you Mr. Mayor. Um I would note that the

4908
03:42:34,880 --> 03:42:37,600
background of course serves as

4909
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:39,279
background not only to council but to

4910
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:41,040
the public and to anyone else that might

4911
03:42:39,279 --> 03:42:42,880
be reading the report. And so while of

4912
03:42:41,040 --> 03:42:45,680
course council is well apprised of their

4913
03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:47,439
role um as it comes to the division of

4914
03:42:45,680 --> 03:42:49,760
responsibility that maybe is not so

4915
03:42:47,439 --> 03:42:52,160
obvious to the casual reader or follower

4916
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:54,880
of council agendas. Um the other piece

4917
03:42:52,160 --> 03:42:56,880
that I'll note is that um the the idea

4918
03:42:54,880 --> 03:43:00,640
of a policy governance policy is to

4919
03:42:56,880 --> 03:43:02,720
really lay out in plain terms how we are

4920
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:04,479
working to move our policy aims forward.

4921
03:43:02,720 --> 03:43:06,880
And so having that background and having

4922
03:43:04,479 --> 03:43:09,439
the ability to say this is why and this

4923
03:43:06,880 --> 03:43:12,160
is really the legislated root of why

4924
03:43:09,439 --> 03:43:13,439
we're making our decisions this way um

4925
03:43:12,160 --> 03:43:16,800
is the reason that you see that

4926
03:43:13,439 --> 03:43:18,880
citation. Um the reference a little bit

4927
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:22,239
further on to the policy cleanup that

4928
03:43:18,880 --> 03:43:23,840
needs to be done um is specific both to

4929
03:43:22,239 --> 03:43:26,160
the policies that have been before

4930
03:43:23,840 --> 03:43:27,600
council. And so I would say there are

4931
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:29,920
policies that are on the books now that

4932
03:43:27,600 --> 03:43:31,760
council has adopted by bylaw that

4933
03:43:29,920 --> 03:43:33,520
perhaps do live in the role of staff and

4934
03:43:31,760 --> 03:43:35,439
that's on staff. Council didn't pull

4935
03:43:33,520 --> 03:43:38,000
those out of their own hat, right? Staff

4936
03:43:35,439 --> 03:43:39,680
presented them to them to um to adopt.

4937
03:43:38,000 --> 03:43:41,359
And so what we want to do is just take a

4938
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:43,600
full a wholesome look at all of the

4939
03:43:41,359 --> 03:43:44,960
policies that exist currently and make

4940
03:43:43,600 --> 03:43:46,479
sure that we've put them in the right

4941
03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:48,239
bucket in the administrative bucket or

4942
03:43:46,479 --> 03:43:50,239
the governance bucket and make sure that

4943
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:51,840
we are continuing to review those going

4944
03:43:50,239 --> 03:43:54,160
forward so that we don't have policies

4945
03:43:51,840 --> 03:43:57,160
on the books that are out ofd or

4946
03:43:54,160 --> 03:43:57,160
inappropriate.

4947
03:43:57,600 --> 03:44:01,199
» Other questions?

4948
03:43:59,840 --> 03:44:03,040
Deputy mayor.

4949
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:05,760
» Um just two quick things if I may, Mr.

4950
03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:08,160
Mayor. First of all, I'm pleased to see

4951
03:44:05,760 --> 03:44:09,760
that our legislative department is able

4952
03:44:08,160 --> 03:44:11,760
to bring this forward. It tells us that

4953
03:44:09,760 --> 03:44:13,760
we've got, you know, staff in place, the

4954
03:44:11,760 --> 03:44:14,880
capacity to undertake a project such as

4955
03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:16,720
this because I'm sure it's something

4956
03:44:14,880 --> 03:44:18,640
that kind of stayed on the edge of a

4957
03:44:16,720 --> 03:44:20,800
desk for a while. So, that's very

4958
03:44:18,640 --> 03:44:22,640
reassuring. But, um, from what you just

4959
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:25,760
told us, Allison, I'm wondering, are you

4960
03:44:22,640 --> 03:44:28,560
also reviewing any, um, counselor

4961
03:44:25,760 --> 03:44:30,239
motions that may not have seen, uh,

4962
03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:32,080
themselves come to fruition at this

4963
03:44:30,239 --> 03:44:34,319
point? and may some of those then fall

4964
03:44:32,080 --> 03:44:37,040
into these categories where they will

4965
03:44:34,319 --> 03:44:39,120
end up now being reviewed and and as you

4966
03:44:37,040 --> 03:44:41,840
suggested land in the appropriate staff

4967
03:44:39,120 --> 03:44:43,680
person's bucket.

4968
03:44:41,840 --> 03:44:45,760
» Thank you. And through the mayor, um I

4969
03:44:43,680 --> 03:44:47,040
believe that is our intention that um

4970
03:44:45,760 --> 03:44:48,800
prior to the end of this term of

4971
03:44:47,040 --> 03:44:50,960
council, we will have a look at all of

4972
03:44:48,800 --> 03:44:53,279
the outstanding counselor motions that

4973
03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:55,199
have come forward um and we will report

4974
03:44:53,279 --> 03:44:57,359
back to council about the disposition of

4975
03:44:55,199 --> 03:44:59,279
those. So, does that actually belong in

4976
03:44:57,359 --> 03:45:00,880
staff's bucket? Have we achieved it or

4977
03:44:59,279 --> 03:45:03,199
is it still on someone's work plan and

4978
03:45:00,880 --> 03:45:06,399
we're waiting to get there?

4979
03:45:03,199 --> 03:45:09,040
» Okay, any other comments, questions? I'm

4980
03:45:06,399 --> 03:45:11,040
going to call the vote. All in favor?

4981
03:45:09,040 --> 03:45:15,560
Any opposed? And that is carried

4982
03:45:11,040 --> 03:45:15,560
unanimously. Thank you, Allison.

4983
03:45:17,760 --> 03:45:25,120
And we have one more here which is um

4984
03:45:22,080 --> 03:45:27,520
the recommendation is uh that committee

4985
03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:30,800
of the whole receive report legislative

4986
03:45:27,520 --> 03:45:34,800
services 2026-10 access to information

4987
03:45:30,800 --> 03:45:39,199
and privacy update. Mover and a seconder

4988
03:45:34,800 --> 03:45:42,800
councelor and deputy mayor kiny um do

4989
03:45:39,199 --> 03:45:44,000
you wish to speak to that one Allison?

4990
03:45:42,800 --> 03:45:45,840
» No thank you I'll just accept your

4991
03:45:44,000 --> 03:45:47,680
questions if there are any. Are there

4992
03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:51,199
any questions? It's pretty

4993
03:45:47,680 --> 03:45:54,720
straightforward. All in favor?

4994
03:45:51,199 --> 03:45:57,279
Any opposed? That's carried unanimously.

4995
03:45:54,720 --> 03:45:59,600
And now, uh, we're going to hear, uh,

4996
03:45:57,279 --> 03:46:01,520
from Deputy Mayor Keven on, uh, an

4997
03:45:59,600 --> 03:46:03,840
update on County Council.

4998
03:46:01,520 --> 03:46:07,600
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, county

4999
03:46:03,840 --> 03:46:10,239
council last met on July the 9th. Uh,

5000
03:46:07,600 --> 03:46:12,399
the agenda was on the shorter side. Um,

5001
03:46:10,239 --> 03:46:15,199
and it began with a request from

5002
03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:17,600
councelor McQueen to pull the minutes of

5003
03:46:15,199 --> 03:46:20,800
the prior meeting for further discussion

5004
03:46:17,600 --> 03:46:23,279
of the urban roads transfer report. Uh,

5005
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:26,319
staff had incorporated points raised by

5006
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:28,560
council at our last meeting and uh, I

5007
03:46:26,319 --> 03:46:31,680
believe in terms of our own situation

5008
03:46:28,560 --> 03:46:34,239
that uh, uh, to put it bluntly, it's as

5009
03:46:31,680 --> 03:46:38,520
good as it's going to get. Um, Meford

5010
03:46:34,239 --> 03:46:38,520
will now receive $2,453,431

5011
03:46:39,279 --> 03:46:44,399
in transitional funding over the next 10

5012
03:46:42,080 --> 03:46:46,479
years for the two sections coming our

5013
03:46:44,399 --> 03:46:49,359
way, which as we know was Grey Road 7

5014
03:46:46,479 --> 03:46:52,399
from Mir Street Highway 26 and Grey Road

5015
03:46:49,359 --> 03:46:56,479
12 from Gardener to Sykes.

5016
03:46:52,399 --> 03:46:58,560
a bylaw um supporting uh the appointment

5017
03:46:56,479 --> 03:47:01,920
of Sue Murray as acting treasurer and

5018
03:46:58,560 --> 03:47:05,359
Garrett Reed as deputy treasurer uh was

5019
03:47:01,920 --> 03:47:07,279
passed. Uh recently, Mary Lou Spicer,

5020
03:47:05,359 --> 03:47:09,199
who's been with the county for 24 years

5021
03:47:07,279 --> 03:47:10,800
in the finance department, has uh

5022
03:47:09,199 --> 03:47:12,800
retired.

5023
03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:15,199
A second bylaw is passed to adopt

5024
03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:17,520
amendment 30 to the Gray County official

5025
03:47:15,199 --> 03:47:19,359
plan affecting lands in Normandy

5026
03:47:17,520 --> 03:47:21,279
Township in the municipality of West

5027
03:47:19,359 --> 03:47:23,279
Gray, changing that zoning from

5028
03:47:21,279 --> 03:47:26,399
agricultural to agricultural with

5029
03:47:23,279 --> 03:47:29,040
exception and that will allow um

5030
03:47:26,399 --> 03:47:31,359
residential lot creation.

5031
03:47:29,040 --> 03:47:33,680
Manager of transportation Trevor Ryton

5032
03:47:31,359 --> 03:47:35,359
presented a video to council and I

5033
03:47:33,680 --> 03:47:37,439
wonder if this is something we could do.

5034
03:47:35,359 --> 03:47:39,439
It was really quite wonderful. Um, and

5035
03:47:37,439 --> 03:47:42,800
the video overviewed all of the

5036
03:47:39,439 --> 03:47:44,800
completed capital projects uh from 2025

5037
03:47:42,800 --> 03:47:49,760
and they included 5 kilometers in

5038
03:47:44,800 --> 03:47:54,319
Southgate, 5.3 km on Grey Road 14, 11.1

5039
03:47:49,760 --> 03:47:58,399
km on Grey Road 2, 9.7 on Grey Road 25,

5040
03:47:54,319 --> 03:48:00,640
6.6 km on Grey Road 119, and 10 culbert

5041
03:47:58,399 --> 03:48:03,520
replacements on Grey Road 30 at a total

5042
03:48:00,640 --> 03:48:05,600
cost of $13 million. But it was just

5043
03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:08,080
really great to see all of the work that

5044
03:48:05,600 --> 03:48:10,720
had been done. Council heard the

5045
03:48:08,080 --> 03:48:14,239
presentation of the 2025 audit completed

5046
03:48:10,720 --> 03:48:16,640
by MNP. Uh the audit must be approved by

5047
03:48:14,239 --> 03:48:18,960
council before the rep final report can

5048
03:48:16,640 --> 03:48:20,800
be signed. The auditors found no

5049
03:48:18,960 --> 03:48:22,319
deficiencies and provided a clear

5050
03:48:20,800 --> 03:48:26,560
opinion on the county's financial

5051
03:48:22,319 --> 03:48:28,640
position as of December the 31st, 2025.

5052
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:31,279
The next report brought an update to the

5053
03:48:28,640 --> 03:48:33,760
Bruce Gay Duffren Wellington transit

5054
03:48:31,279 --> 03:48:35,920
study. This regional working team is

5055
03:48:33,760 --> 03:48:38,080
studying a unified transit plan for the

5056
03:48:35,920 --> 03:48:40,239
four counties. This is the largest

5057
03:48:38,080 --> 03:48:42,800
public transit collaboration currently

5058
03:48:40,239 --> 03:48:44,560
underway in the province. It was decided

5059
03:48:42,800 --> 03:48:46,319
that information would continue to be

5060
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:48,640
gathered over the summer with existing

5061
03:48:46,319 --> 03:48:51,199
routes continuing during the study

5062
03:48:48,640 --> 03:48:53,760
period uh along with the addition of the

5063
03:48:51,199 --> 03:48:56,800
Owens Sound to Wyon route number five so

5064
03:48:53,760 --> 03:48:58,560
people can get to Sabo Beach. Ridership

5065
03:48:56,800 --> 03:49:00,319
and potential funding sources will be

5066
03:48:58,560 --> 03:49:02,319
assessed with report coming to the new

5067
03:49:00,319 --> 03:49:05,120
council to determine the next steps on

5068
03:49:02,319 --> 03:49:07,439
public transit. The updated official

5069
03:49:05,120 --> 03:49:09,439
plan for the settlement areas of Durham

5070
03:49:07,439 --> 03:49:11,840
and Newad and the municipality of West

5071
03:49:09,439 --> 03:49:13,760
Gray was adopted with staff stating the

5072
03:49:11,840 --> 03:49:15,600
plan met requirements of the Gray County

5073
03:49:13,760 --> 03:49:17,120
official plan and the provincial

5074
03:49:15,600 --> 03:49:19,840
planning statement with the land use

5075
03:49:17,120 --> 03:49:21,680
schedules conforming to both. The

5076
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:23,600
corporate financial update revealed a

5077
03:49:21,680 --> 03:49:26,239
few deficits to budget such as an

5078
03:49:23,600 --> 03:49:29,600
unexpected boiler favor. I'm sorry, a

5079
03:49:26,239 --> 03:49:31,920
boiler failure at Sydnham campus and the

5080
03:49:29,600 --> 03:49:34,319
unpredicted severity of our past winter

5081
03:49:31,920 --> 03:49:36,800
season. The planning department at Gray

5082
03:49:34,319 --> 03:49:39,199
County is also operating in a shortfall

5083
03:49:36,800 --> 03:49:42,080
as we are in Meford with fewer than

5084
03:49:39,199 --> 03:49:44,239
anticipated applications underway.

5085
03:49:42,080 --> 03:49:47,359
Um, again, Councelor McQueen from Grey

5086
03:49:44,239 --> 03:49:49,359
Highlands pulled a letter from the uh uh

5087
03:49:47,359 --> 03:49:51,359
Grey Highlands to the county requesting

5088
03:49:49,359 --> 03:49:53,680
support for consideration of physical

5089
03:49:51,359 --> 03:49:55,840
traffic calming measures for the hamlet

5090
03:49:53,680 --> 03:49:57,439
of Kimberly. So, this really fits in

5091
03:49:55,840 --> 03:50:00,239
with what we were talking about earlier

5092
03:49:57,439 --> 03:50:03,040
in in relation to speed reductions.

5093
03:50:00,239 --> 03:50:05,439
After a very significant discussion, a

5094
03:50:03,040 --> 03:50:07,760
motion was passed to have staff

5095
03:50:05,439 --> 03:50:10,080
investigate options for physical traffic

5096
03:50:07,760 --> 03:50:12,800
calming measures for all hamlets and

5097
03:50:10,080 --> 03:50:14,880
builtup areas across Gray County, uh,

5098
03:50:12,800 --> 03:50:17,520
not just those in Kimberly. So, I think

5099
03:50:14,880 --> 03:50:19,120
this will benefit all of us. And as we

5100
03:50:17,520 --> 03:50:21,359
know, speeding is a major problem

5101
03:50:19,120 --> 03:50:23,760
everywhere. But we do hear that physical

5102
03:50:21,359 --> 03:50:25,680
barriers such as what they have in Bruce

5103
03:50:23,760 --> 03:50:27,279
County and areas like Terara actually

5104
03:50:25,680 --> 03:50:29,279
make a difference in slowing drivers

5105
03:50:27,279 --> 03:50:30,880
down. So I thought that might be a

5106
03:50:29,279 --> 03:50:33,760
solution to consider for Bayfield

5107
03:50:30,880 --> 03:50:35,600
Street. And Mr. Mayor, that's it, unless

5108
03:50:33,760 --> 03:50:38,479
you wanted to add anything.

5109
03:50:35,600 --> 03:50:40,479
» Not really. Um, is there any other uh

5110
03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:43,359
boards or commissions to be heard from

5111
03:50:40,479 --> 03:50:45,760
uh at this meeting?

5112
03:50:43,359 --> 03:50:48,000
Okay. Then uh I am ready to entertain a

5113
03:50:45,760 --> 03:50:49,680
motion to uh move out of committee of

5114
03:50:48,000 --> 03:50:51,199
the whole.

5115
03:50:49,680 --> 03:50:53,760
Councelor Yurig and councelor

5116
03:50:51,199 --> 03:50:57,359
Greenfield. Thank you. Um and that would

5117
03:50:53,760 --> 03:51:00,560
be at 4:49 p.m.

5118
03:50:57,359 --> 03:51:04,560
And uh all in favor?

5119
03:51:00,560 --> 03:51:07,199
Any opposed? That's there we are. So I

5120
03:51:04,560 --> 03:51:09,359
think at this point uh we have a number

5121
03:51:07,199 --> 03:51:12,399
of items that remain on the agenda for

5122
03:51:09,359 --> 03:51:15,040
today and we're going to recess and uh

5123
03:51:12,399 --> 03:51:16,880
come back to those items following the

5124
03:51:15,040 --> 03:51:21,680
public planning meeting scheduled at

5125
03:51:16,880 --> 03:51:24,319
5:00 this afternoon. So um uh with that

5126
03:51:21,680 --> 03:51:26,160
uh we will

5127
03:51:24,319 --> 03:51:32,520
be

5128
03:51:26,160 --> 03:51:32,520
» Yes we will we will recess until 5:00.

5129
04:02:34,399 --> 04:02:38,640
I would invite anyone who is um

5130
04:02:36,479 --> 04:02:43,199
attending the meeting tonight to come in

5131
04:02:38,640 --> 04:02:44,720
and find a seat um and see if we have

5132
04:02:43,199 --> 04:02:48,439
there are some seats at the front and

5133
04:02:44,720 --> 04:02:48,439
some at the rear there.

5134
04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:06,640
Yeah, there are some seats right at the

5135
04:03:03,520 --> 04:03:10,920
very front on this side

5136
04:03:06,640 --> 04:03:10,920
and some at the front here.

5137
04:03:13,040 --> 04:03:18,399
Uh ple please come in and sit down if

5138
04:03:15,120 --> 04:03:22,680
you're going to attend the meeting.

5139
04:03:18,399 --> 04:03:22,680
There are some seats in the front there.

5140
04:04:17,680 --> 04:04:23,760
Okay, it is slightly after 5:00 uh 502

5141
04:04:21,520 --> 04:04:26,640
and I want to welcome everyone and uh

5142
04:04:23,760 --> 04:04:30,720
thank you for coming tonight. Uh this is

5143
04:04:26,640 --> 04:04:33,120
a important uh uh public meeting and uh

5144
04:04:30,720 --> 04:04:36,160
we are always pleased to see our gallery

5145
04:04:33,120 --> 04:04:38,720
filled. Uh this meeting is to learn

5146
04:04:36,160 --> 04:04:41,040
about a proposal to amend the land use

5147
04:04:38,720 --> 04:04:43,920
planning permissions applying to certain

5148
04:04:41,040 --> 04:04:46,479
lands in the municipality of Meford.

5149
04:04:43,920 --> 04:04:49,199
Council is legally required to make

5150
04:04:46,479 --> 04:04:52,080
decisions that conform to the county and

5151
04:04:49,199 --> 04:04:54,399
local official plans. Our policies

5152
04:04:52,080 --> 04:04:57,520
encourage us to reach out to community

5153
04:04:54,399 --> 04:04:59,680
stakeholders to gather information. We

5154
04:04:57,520 --> 04:05:02,319
have a variety of legal tools available

5155
04:04:59,680 --> 04:05:04,960
to us that we can apply to development

5156
04:05:02,319 --> 04:05:07,199
to help us manage change in a positive

5157
04:05:04,960 --> 04:05:09,840
manner with as minimal an impact as

5158
04:05:07,199 --> 04:05:13,840
possible. And your insights can be part

5159
04:05:09,840 --> 04:05:16,160
of what forms or informs our direction.

5160
04:05:13,840 --> 04:05:18,080
Those in attendance for today's meeting

5161
04:05:16,160 --> 04:05:20,640
will have an opportunity to speak in

5162
04:05:18,080 --> 04:05:23,199
person or remotely if pre-registered

5163
04:05:20,640 --> 04:05:25,120
through Zoom. This meeting is not

5164
04:05:23,199 --> 04:05:28,160
structured as a dialogue between

5165
04:05:25,120 --> 04:05:30,239
speakers and the applicant. However, the

5166
04:05:28,160 --> 04:05:32,479
applicant may take the opportunity to

5167
04:05:30,239 --> 04:05:35,279
respond to comments toward the end of

5168
04:05:32,479 --> 04:05:37,600
the meeting if they wish. Note that any

5169
04:05:35,279 --> 04:05:40,479
uh or in many cases formulating

5170
04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:42,880
responses actually may require staff to

5171
04:05:40,479 --> 04:05:45,359
carry out research after the meeting on

5172
04:05:42,880 --> 04:05:47,439
the matters raised and provide answers

5173
04:05:45,359 --> 04:05:49,760
following the meeting or through their

5174
04:05:47,439 --> 04:05:52,640
report to council.

5175
04:05:49,760 --> 04:05:55,040
So, I'll call this uh uh today's public

5176
04:05:52,640 --> 04:05:57,680
meeting to order. It's a public meeting

5177
04:05:55,040 --> 04:06:00,560
to consider a zoning bylaw amendment for

5178
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:03,600
lands at 245690

5179
04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:05,680
Side Road 22 in Meford.

5180
04:06:03,600 --> 04:06:07,760
This meeting is a mandatory part of the

5181
04:06:05,680 --> 04:06:10,399
planning process which has been set out

5182
04:06:07,760 --> 04:06:12,399
by the planning act. Based on the rules

5183
04:06:10,399 --> 04:06:14,960
of the act, there must be at least 20

5184
04:06:12,399 --> 04:06:18,000
days notice given to residents within

5185
04:06:14,960 --> 04:06:20,080
120 mters of the property. Notice of the

5186
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:23,920
zoning bylaw amendment was issued on

5187
04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:25,920
June 23rd, 2026, giving the required 20

5188
04:06:23,920 --> 04:06:27,680
days notice.

5189
04:06:25,920 --> 04:06:30,080
So, first of all, I'm going to call on

5190
04:06:27,680 --> 04:06:32,239
Helina Fashionado, planner at the

5191
04:06:30,080 --> 04:06:33,840
municipality of Meford to give us a

5192
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:36,000
brief presentation about this

5193
04:06:33,840 --> 04:06:38,160
application to provide us with any

5194
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:41,120
public and agency comments that have

5195
04:06:38,160 --> 04:06:42,800
been received to date. Helena,

5196
04:06:41,120 --> 04:06:44,399
» Thank you. Through you, Mr. Mayor.

5197
04:06:42,800 --> 04:06:45,760
» Please move that microphone up really

5198
04:06:44,399 --> 04:06:48,640
close. Can you hear me?

5199
04:06:45,760 --> 04:06:51,520
» Yes, that's much better. Perfect. Okay.

5200
04:06:48,640 --> 04:06:53,439
So, this is a zoning bylaw amendment

5201
04:06:51,520 --> 04:06:56,239
application for a temporary use

5202
04:06:53,439 --> 04:06:58,319
extension. Um, so the purpose of this

5203
04:06:56,239 --> 04:07:00,000
public meeting is to hear a presentation

5204
04:06:58,319 --> 04:07:02,720
from planning staff with some of the

5205
04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:04,479
details about the planning application.

5206
04:07:02,720 --> 04:07:06,319
Uh, provide an opportunity for the

5207
04:07:04,479 --> 04:07:08,880
applicant to speak on their behalf about

5208
04:07:06,319 --> 04:07:10,560
their proposal and to provide a forum

5209
04:07:08,880 --> 04:07:13,560
for the public to comment on this

5210
04:07:10,560 --> 04:07:13,560
proposal.

5211
04:07:14,560 --> 04:07:20,720
So here are some details about the

5212
04:07:16,479 --> 04:07:23,279
proposal. Uh so on November 13, 2023,

5213
04:07:20,720 --> 04:07:25,439
a bylaw 2823-70

5214
04:07:23,279 --> 04:07:27,199
was passed which reszoned a portion of

5215
04:07:25,439 --> 04:07:30,640
the subject property to permit the

5216
04:07:27,199 --> 04:07:33,199
following temporary uses. So a motor

5217
04:07:30,640 --> 04:07:35,760
vehicle repair garage and accessory

5218
04:07:33,199 --> 04:07:38,479
outdoor storage. So this temporary use

5219
04:07:35,760 --> 04:07:41,760
was granted for a period of 3 years and

5220
04:07:38,479 --> 04:07:44,239
it will expire on November 13th, 2026.

5221
04:07:41,760 --> 04:07:46,080
So, November of this year, the applicant

5222
04:07:44,239 --> 04:07:48,080
has requested an extension of the

5223
04:07:46,080 --> 04:07:53,000
existing temporary use of the property

5224
04:07:48,080 --> 04:07:53,000
for a further period of 3 years.

5225
04:07:53,439 --> 04:07:57,520
And so, here on the screen is a little

5226
04:07:55,199 --> 04:08:00,960
bit more detail of the bylaw that was

5227
04:07:57,520 --> 04:08:03,120
approved uh coming up on 3 years ago.

5228
04:08:00,960 --> 04:08:06,160
So, the temporary use is motor vehicle

5229
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:09,520
repair garage and outdoor uh storage

5230
04:08:06,160 --> 04:08:13,040
accessory to the repair garage. Um the

5231
04:08:09,520 --> 04:08:14,880
maximum amount of garage bays is two and

5232
04:08:13,040 --> 04:08:18,319
the total permitted area of the

5233
04:08:14,880 --> 04:08:20,800
temporary use is 4,200

5234
04:08:18,319 --> 04:08:23,040
uh square meters. The maximum number of

5235
04:08:20,800 --> 04:08:25,680
vehicles on site to be serviced at one

5236
04:08:23,040 --> 04:08:28,319
time is 10. And then an additional

5237
04:08:25,680 --> 04:08:32,840
maximum number of parking spaces for

5238
04:08:28,319 --> 04:08:32,840
customers and employees is 15.

5239
04:08:34,880 --> 04:08:40,479
Um so the planning act legislative

5240
04:08:37,760 --> 04:08:42,560
authority um so under the planning act

5241
04:08:40,479 --> 04:08:46,000
section 39 a temporary use can be

5242
04:08:42,560 --> 04:08:48,880
granted by a council of a m municipality

5243
04:08:46,000 --> 04:08:52,479
um for any purpose is otherwise prohibit

5244
04:08:48,880 --> 04:08:55,439
sorry prohibited by the zoning bylaw.

5245
04:08:52,479 --> 04:08:57,439
Um, so a temporary use bylaw must define

5246
04:08:55,439 --> 04:09:00,239
the area where the use can occur and be

5247
04:08:57,439 --> 04:09:02,239
for a maximum of three years and council

5248
04:09:00,239 --> 04:09:05,720
may grant further periods of not more

5249
04:09:02,239 --> 04:09:05,720
than three years.

5250
04:09:07,040 --> 04:09:13,080
So here are the subject lands on side

5251
04:09:09,760 --> 04:09:13,080
road 22

5252
04:09:15,359 --> 04:09:19,760
and it is in an agricultural area. The

5253
04:09:18,160 --> 04:09:22,560
surrounding lands are predominantly

5254
04:09:19,760 --> 04:09:24,319
agricultural with some residential

5255
04:09:22,560 --> 04:09:28,120
and the lands are approximately 30

5256
04:09:24,319 --> 04:09:28,120
hectares in area.

5257
04:09:29,840 --> 04:09:33,040
So the county of gray official plan

5258
04:09:31,600 --> 04:09:35,760
designates the lands as special

5259
04:09:33,040 --> 04:09:37,760
agriculture and hazard lands and the

5260
04:09:35,760 --> 04:09:40,800
permitted uses in this area are

5261
04:09:37,760 --> 04:09:43,520
agricultural in nature.

5262
04:09:40,800 --> 04:09:45,840
Um, and the county official plan, it's

5263
04:09:43,520 --> 04:09:51,080
important to note that they only permit

5264
04:09:45,840 --> 04:09:51,080
one extension of a temporary use bylaw.

5265
04:09:53,279 --> 04:09:58,239
And then the MEF official plan mirrors

5266
04:09:55,439 --> 04:10:00,479
those policies of the county. Uh, so the

5267
04:09:58,239 --> 04:10:03,199
designation is special agricultural and

5268
04:10:00,479 --> 04:10:05,920
environmental protection. Um, and the

5269
04:10:03,199 --> 04:10:10,840
predominant use is agriculture and

5270
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:10,840
agricultural related uh uses.

5271
04:10:14,080 --> 04:10:18,239
So here's a snippet of the zoning of the

5272
04:10:16,160 --> 04:10:20,000
subject lands. Uh so it's special

5273
04:10:18,239 --> 04:10:22,080
agriculture and environmental

5274
04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:26,800
protection. And if you can see it on the

5275
04:10:22,080 --> 04:10:29,199
screen, the black square or shape um is

5276
04:10:26,800 --> 04:10:32,080
the permitted area for the temporary use

5277
04:10:29,199 --> 04:10:34,560
on the property.

5278
04:10:32,080 --> 04:10:37,600
And so the special agricultural area

5279
04:10:34,560 --> 04:10:40,960
permits once again agricultural uses and

5280
04:10:37,600 --> 04:10:43,600
those related uses um including home

5281
04:10:40,960 --> 04:10:46,239
industries and a home industry use

5282
04:10:43,600 --> 04:10:48,960
cannot include a home or sorry a motor

5283
04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:51,199
vehicle repair shop. Um the proposed

5284
04:10:48,960 --> 04:10:53,040
uses are also outside of the EP

5285
04:10:51,199 --> 04:10:56,040
environmental protection area of the

5286
04:10:53,040 --> 04:10:56,040
property.

5287
04:10:58,319 --> 04:11:03,040
So the zoning requested um so a portion

5288
04:11:01,120 --> 04:11:05,840
of the lands were reszoned from special

5289
04:11:03,040 --> 04:11:08,800
agriculture to special agricultural with

5290
04:11:05,840 --> 04:11:11,359
a temporary use. Um so it's limited to

5291
04:11:08,800 --> 04:11:13,279
the area identified on the map. Um and

5292
04:11:11,359 --> 04:11:15,760
it's limited to 3 years but could be

5293
04:11:13,279 --> 04:11:19,399
extended on request which is what the

5294
04:11:15,760 --> 04:11:19,399
applicant has done.

5295
04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:27,040
And here is a sketch uh from the

5296
04:11:22,960 --> 04:11:28,720
original temporary use uh proposal. Um

5297
04:11:27,040 --> 04:11:31,439
so this is what the applicant would like

5298
04:11:28,720 --> 04:11:34,160
to continue to use. Um so there's an

5299
04:11:31,439 --> 04:11:37,040
existing drive shed on the property. Um

5300
04:11:34,160 --> 04:11:40,359
and then they've proposed a parking area

5301
04:11:37,040 --> 04:11:40,359
as well.

5302
04:11:44,560 --> 04:11:48,479
So here is where we are in the

5303
04:11:46,160 --> 04:11:51,520
application process. So we've received

5304
04:11:48,479 --> 04:11:53,680
the application. um completed an initial

5305
04:11:51,520 --> 04:11:55,920
review and deemed the application

5306
04:11:53,680 --> 04:11:58,880
complete. Uh so we're now at the public

5307
04:11:55,920 --> 04:12:00,479
meeting stage. Um so following this,

5308
04:11:58,880 --> 04:12:02,319
we'll take all the information from

5309
04:12:00,479 --> 04:12:04,640
council, from members of the public, the

5310
04:12:02,319 --> 04:12:06,960
applicant. Um and we'll complete our

5311
04:12:04,640 --> 04:12:09,920
review and provide a recommendation to

5312
04:12:06,960 --> 04:12:12,000
council in a staff report. Um and it's

5313
04:12:09,920 --> 04:12:14,080
important to note that to follow our

5314
04:12:12,000 --> 04:12:16,160
prescribed timelines, we will be

5315
04:12:14,080 --> 04:12:20,560
bringing an or a recommendation report

5316
04:12:16,160 --> 04:12:22,479
to council on July 27th. Um so we ask

5317
04:12:20,560 --> 04:12:27,960
any members of the public to provide

5318
04:12:22,479 --> 04:12:27,960
comments um as soon as possible.

5319
04:12:29,920 --> 04:12:34,960
So here's how to keep engaged in the

5320
04:12:31,840 --> 04:12:37,680
process. Um so you can submit comments

5321
04:12:34,960 --> 04:12:39,600
to planning me.ca.

5322
04:12:37,680 --> 04:12:42,080
Um and you can also make a request in

5323
04:12:39,600 --> 04:12:46,120
writing to planning@me.ca to be notified

5324
04:12:42,080 --> 04:12:46,120
of the decision rendered.

5325
04:12:48,479 --> 04:12:52,160
And so that concludes the end of the

5326
04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:54,080
presentation. We have received some

5327
04:12:52,160 --> 04:12:56,479
comments to date and I'll just summarize

5328
04:12:54,080 --> 04:12:59,199
them now. Um so we have received

5329
04:12:56,479 --> 04:13:01,359
comments from uh some members of the

5330
04:12:59,199 --> 04:13:03,760
public. Um and they have been shared

5331
04:13:01,359 --> 04:13:06,319
with council and will be addressed as

5332
04:13:03,760 --> 04:13:08,000
part of the staff recommendation report.

5333
04:13:06,319 --> 04:13:09,760
Um, and to summarize, some comments

5334
04:13:08,000 --> 04:13:12,000
expressed concerns about the business

5335
04:13:09,760 --> 04:13:14,159
using more of the site than permitted,

5336
04:13:12,000 --> 04:13:16,319
operating outside of business hours, and

5337
04:13:14,159 --> 04:13:18,239
not complying with planning policies and

5338
04:13:16,319 --> 04:13:19,840
bylaws.

5339
04:13:18,239 --> 04:13:21,439
Written comments were also received in

5340
04:13:19,840 --> 04:13:24,479
support of the business and of the

5341
04:13:21,439 --> 04:13:25,920
temporary use extension.

5342
04:13:24,479 --> 04:13:28,080
And that's a summary of the comments

5343
04:13:25,920 --> 04:13:30,880
received so far. Thank you.

5344
04:13:28,080 --> 04:13:33,439
» Thank you, Helina. [clears throat] I I

5345
04:13:30,880 --> 04:13:35,439
understand the applicant John Bolsink is

5346
04:13:33,439 --> 04:13:38,960
present today to speak about his

5347
04:13:35,439 --> 04:13:40,399
application. Uh John, yeah, do you want

5348
04:13:38,960 --> 04:13:44,040
to step up to the microphone at the

5349
04:13:40,399 --> 04:13:44,040
podium there, please?

5350
04:13:50,319 --> 04:13:53,680
» Good evening, mayor, deputy mayor,

5351
04:13:52,159 --> 04:13:56,080
counselors,

5352
04:13:53,680 --> 04:13:58,479
everybody here. It's uh great to see

5353
04:13:56,080 --> 04:14:01,120
everybody.

5354
04:13:58,479 --> 04:14:03,199
It's been three long years,

5355
04:14:01,120 --> 04:14:06,720
I'm not going to lie, and it hasn't been

5356
04:14:03,199 --> 04:14:08,239
very fun. Um,

5357
04:14:06,720 --> 04:14:09,680
I didn't think I'd be here for three

5358
04:14:08,239 --> 04:14:11,680
years. I was promised that within these

5359
04:14:09,680 --> 04:14:14,720
three years I'd have a new building, and

5360
04:14:11,680 --> 04:14:16,319
it has not happened. Um,

5361
04:14:14,720 --> 04:14:18,399
we've had some struggles. We're working

5362
04:14:16,319 --> 04:14:20,399
with the municipality diligently to try

5363
04:14:18,399 --> 04:14:22,960
and work through, resolve, get a

5364
04:14:20,399 --> 04:14:25,120
resolution for the problems. Um, but in

5365
04:14:22,960 --> 04:14:29,040
the meantime, we require a little more

5366
04:14:25,120 --> 04:14:31,760
time. um you know

5367
04:14:29,040 --> 04:14:35,680
so that we can move forward and get the

5368
04:14:31,760 --> 04:14:37,680
new building built. Um

5369
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:40,000
yeah, it's been hard for me. We have a

5370
04:14:37,680 --> 04:14:41,840
lot of customers, a lot of people um to

5371
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:43,279
try and get

5372
04:14:41,840 --> 04:14:44,880
customer service to give the quality

5373
04:14:43,279 --> 04:14:48,560
service that we used to have with a

5374
04:14:44,880 --> 04:14:50,000
smaller facility, smaller um footprint,

5375
04:14:48,560 --> 04:14:52,159
all that kind of stuff. It's been really

5376
04:14:50,000 --> 04:14:53,600
really difficult.

5377
04:14:52,159 --> 04:14:55,120
You know, trying to follow all the rules

5378
04:14:53,600 --> 04:14:56,640
and trying to follow everything has has

5379
04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:57,920
been really, you know, it's been it's

5380
04:14:56,640 --> 04:15:00,720
been really stressful and it's been

5381
04:14:57,920 --> 04:15:02,319
really tough, but we're making it work.

5382
04:15:00,720 --> 04:15:03,600
Um,

5383
04:15:02,319 --> 04:15:05,199
you know, with everybody's support and

5384
04:15:03,600 --> 04:15:07,680
help, it's been it's been pretty good. I

5385
04:15:05,199 --> 04:15:09,520
mean, that's why that's why we do it. So

5386
04:15:07,680 --> 04:15:11,680
many great people in me. It's it's

5387
04:15:09,520 --> 04:15:14,680
pretty awesome.

5388
04:15:11,680 --> 04:15:14,680
Um,

5389
04:15:15,680 --> 04:15:19,040
with respect to the neighbors and

5390
04:15:17,600 --> 04:15:20,960
everything else, I've been adamant to my

5391
04:15:19,040 --> 04:15:24,000
staff to be respectful to all the

5392
04:15:20,960 --> 04:15:27,520
neighbors and, you know, we tried our

5393
04:15:24,000 --> 04:15:30,399
best to keep noise down. You know,

5394
04:15:27,520 --> 04:15:31,040
I mean, it's not always easy. I mean, my

5395
04:15:30,399 --> 04:15:32,560
customers, [clears throat] they just

5396
04:15:31,040 --> 04:15:34,560
drop stuff off. I have no real control

5397
04:15:32,560 --> 04:15:36,880
of a lot of stuff. Yeah, there's a few

5398
04:15:34,560 --> 04:15:38,399
too many vehicles there.

5399
04:15:36,880 --> 04:15:42,080
We have purchased a new facility in

5400
04:15:38,399 --> 04:15:43,520
Owens sound and that's probably going to

5401
04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:44,640
take quite a bit of heat off the meford

5402
04:15:43,520 --> 04:15:47,520
one here. We have a lot of customers

5403
04:15:44,640 --> 04:15:49,199
that come from over in Owens sound. So

5404
04:15:47,520 --> 04:15:50,880
we're working really hard to get that up

5405
04:15:49,199 --> 04:15:53,359
and going. That's probably going to be

5406
04:15:50,880 --> 04:15:54,800
open in about two weeks.

5407
04:15:53,359 --> 04:15:57,040
Still waiting on a few things to get

5408
04:15:54,800 --> 04:15:58,239
going there. So

5409
04:15:57,040 --> 04:16:00,159
we definitely don't have enough room

5410
04:15:58,239 --> 04:16:02,960
where we are and I [clears throat] have

5411
04:16:00,159 --> 04:16:04,880
my employees and they need some room to

5412
04:16:02,960 --> 04:16:09,120
work. You know, we we support quite a

5413
04:16:04,880 --> 04:16:10,399
few people. We support quite a few

5414
04:16:09,120 --> 04:16:11,520
customers and people to give them the

5415
04:16:10,399 --> 04:16:13,920
service that they require and the

5416
04:16:11,520 --> 04:16:15,040
service that they want. I mean, we do a

5417
04:16:13,920 --> 04:16:16,560
lot of different service in a lot of

5418
04:16:15,040 --> 04:16:17,840
regular shops. I mean, we do a lot of

5419
04:16:16,560 --> 04:16:19,199
repair. We do engine rebuilds,

5420
04:16:17,840 --> 04:16:21,040
transmission rebuilds. Therefore,

5421
04:16:19,199 --> 04:16:22,800
turnaround times on vehicles is a little

5422
04:16:21,040 --> 04:16:24,560
longer than most. We're not just doing

5423
04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:27,359
replacements.

5424
04:16:24,560 --> 04:16:29,199
Um, you know, we do a wide variety of of

5425
04:16:27,359 --> 04:16:30,960
things. And it's it's it's tough to try

5426
04:16:29,199 --> 04:16:33,040
and satisfy everybody. It's tough to try

5427
04:16:30,960 --> 04:16:35,199
and satisfy.

5428
04:16:33,040 --> 04:16:36,640
You know,

5429
04:16:35,199 --> 04:16:38,479
we need to make money. We need to get

5430
04:16:36,640 --> 04:16:40,000
our shop built. I mean, there's been

5431
04:16:38,479 --> 04:16:42,080
hurdles

5432
04:16:40,000 --> 04:16:43,600
and we're getting through them. You

5433
04:16:42,080 --> 04:16:45,600
know, one big hurdle was, you know,

5434
04:16:43,600 --> 04:16:47,840
everybody thought my shop my my my old

5435
04:16:45,600 --> 04:16:49,920
shop was contaminated. It all got dug up

5436
04:16:47,840 --> 04:16:52,080
as if it was contaminated.

5437
04:16:49,920 --> 04:16:55,120
In the end, it wasn't contaminated.

5438
04:16:52,080 --> 04:16:56,319
Well, there's a big issue there. Um, you

5439
04:16:55,120 --> 04:16:57,680
know, just because things are an

5440
04:16:56,319 --> 04:17:01,040
automotive shop doesn't mean they're

5441
04:16:57,680 --> 04:17:03,279
contaminating everything. I mean oil's

5442
04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:05,439
oil is not not toxic. They actually put

5443
04:17:03,279 --> 04:17:07,600
oil in in they put petroleum and

5444
04:17:05,439 --> 04:17:11,520
fertilizer if you can believe that and

5445
04:17:07,600 --> 04:17:13,040
it's spread on fields, you know. So, you

5446
04:17:11,520 --> 04:17:14,399
know, we we do our best. If we have

5447
04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:18,640
little spills from vehicles, we clean

5448
04:17:14,399 --> 04:17:20,159
them up. We use oil dry, dispose of it.

5449
04:17:18,640 --> 04:17:21,600
You know, we're busy. We're busy. We're

5450
04:17:20,159 --> 04:17:23,840
busy working. It's hard to satisfy

5451
04:17:21,600 --> 04:17:25,600
everybody. But, you know, as far as the

5452
04:17:23,840 --> 04:17:27,359
tires go, there's been a big change in

5453
04:17:25,600 --> 04:17:29,199
January as far as tire pickup and

5454
04:17:27,359 --> 04:17:31,439
recycling. the government have stopped

5455
04:17:29,199 --> 04:17:34,080
some funding on the recycling. I spoke

5456
04:17:31,439 --> 04:17:36,000
with Paul Vickers's MPP. He's looking

5457
04:17:34,080 --> 04:17:38,800
into solutions for that. I spoke with

5458
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:40,720
the um tire recyclers and there is a new

5459
04:17:38,800 --> 04:17:42,800
recycler coming but he won't be up and

5460
04:17:40,720 --> 04:17:45,359
ready for a couple of months. All the

5461
04:17:42,800 --> 04:17:48,640
shops in this area all have a backlog of

5462
04:17:45,359 --> 04:17:50,319
tires including the municipality.

5463
04:17:48,640 --> 04:17:52,159
So, you know, all the you know, a lot of

5464
04:17:50,319 --> 04:17:53,439
this stuff's out of our control. You

5465
04:17:52,159 --> 04:17:54,640
know, we can't just start jumping in

5466
04:17:53,439 --> 04:17:56,000
ditches everywhere. And that's probably

5467
04:17:54,640 --> 04:17:57,359
what's going to start happening if the

5468
04:17:56,000 --> 04:17:59,520
government just doesn't start picking

5469
04:17:57,359 --> 04:18:02,880
stuff up. I mean, everybody pays for

5470
04:17:59,520 --> 04:18:05,120
recycling. It's not happening. But

5471
04:18:02,880 --> 04:18:06,800
again, it's out of our control. We do

5472
04:18:05,120 --> 04:18:09,800
our best.

5473
04:18:06,800 --> 04:18:09,800
Um,

5474
04:18:11,120 --> 04:18:14,479
um,

5475
04:18:13,120 --> 04:18:16,000
yeah, I'm really hoping that when we get

5476
04:18:14,479 --> 04:18:18,000
this new facility going, it'll take a

5477
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:19,840
lot of pressure off the 22 side road and

5478
04:18:18,000 --> 04:18:22,319
maybe a lot of pressure off the off the

5479
04:18:19,840 --> 04:18:23,920
neighbors there. Um, far as the road

5480
04:18:22,319 --> 04:18:25,439
getting wrecked, the military uses the

5481
04:18:23,920 --> 04:18:26,960
road now because the road across the top

5482
04:18:25,439 --> 04:18:28,800
of the Hogsback is closed. So, the

5483
04:18:26,960 --> 04:18:30,720
military comes around there every day.

5484
04:18:28,800 --> 04:18:34,159
One afternoon, I count 14 military

5485
04:18:30,720 --> 04:18:37,279
vehicles, dunk trucks, loaders,

5486
04:18:34,159 --> 04:18:39,760
their patrol vehicles. Like, you see

5487
04:18:37,279 --> 04:18:42,479
them all the time, you know. So, it's

5488
04:18:39,760 --> 04:18:44,000
not just Johnny B that wrecks the road.

5489
04:18:42,479 --> 04:18:45,600
And the road was patched up in the front

5490
04:18:44,000 --> 04:18:46,880
of our shop before we got there. Well,

5491
04:18:45,600 --> 04:18:49,359
it's still patched up and hasn't been

5492
04:18:46,880 --> 04:18:52,159
patched up any further.

5493
04:18:49,359 --> 04:18:55,439
So, I really don't feel that the whole

5494
04:18:52,159 --> 04:18:59,520
road issue is is our fault either. Um,

5495
04:18:55,439 --> 04:19:02,399
but yes, it's busier. So,

5496
04:18:59,520 --> 04:19:05,520
um,

5497
04:19:02,399 --> 04:19:08,000
yeah, I don't know. You know, I've been

5498
04:19:05,520 --> 04:19:09,520
patient. I've been waiting. I've been

5499
04:19:08,000 --> 04:19:10,880
We've all been doing our due diligence

5500
04:19:09,520 --> 04:19:13,600
to try and get this thing off the

5501
04:19:10,880 --> 04:19:15,680
ground. you know, we're struggling with

5502
04:19:13,600 --> 04:19:17,040
there's there's there's a bunch of

5503
04:19:15,680 --> 04:19:19,359
things that that are going on that I

5504
04:19:17,040 --> 04:19:21,520
can't talk about here, but it'll all

5505
04:19:19,359 --> 04:19:23,120
come together in the end, I think. And I

5506
04:19:21,520 --> 04:19:24,479
appreciate the municipality support.

5507
04:19:23,120 --> 04:19:25,840
Appreciate all the friends and family

5508
04:19:24,479 --> 04:19:28,000
and everybody's support because I

5509
04:19:25,840 --> 04:19:29,359
wouldn't be here without them. And if I

5510
04:19:28,000 --> 04:19:30,560
didn't have this much support, I

5511
04:19:29,359 --> 04:19:32,239
probably wouldn't even start this three

5512
04:19:30,560 --> 04:19:34,560
years ago.

5513
04:19:32,239 --> 04:19:36,560
But I appreciate everybody trying hard.

5514
04:19:34,560 --> 04:19:41,000
I know it's difficult and but we'll get

5515
04:19:36,560 --> 04:19:41,000
through it. And

5516
04:19:41,199 --> 04:19:47,279
yeah, I'm I'm so excited to have a new

5517
04:19:44,000 --> 04:19:48,640
shop and I think everybody else is too.

5518
04:19:47,279 --> 04:19:52,120
Anyway, thanks everybody.

5519
04:19:48,640 --> 04:19:52,120
» Thank you, John.

5520
04:19:57,600 --> 04:20:01,359
» There there have been u uh

5521
04:19:59,199 --> 04:20:03,359
pre-registrations to speak at this

5522
04:20:01,359 --> 04:20:05,600
public meeting uh by members of the

5523
04:20:03,359 --> 04:20:10,359
public. So, first I'm going to call to

5524
04:20:05,600 --> 04:20:10,359
the microphone Dave and Kathy Wilcox.

5525
04:20:23,120 --> 04:20:25,199
» Good afternoon. Can everybody hear me?

5526
04:20:24,720 --> 04:20:27,520
Okay.

5527
04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:29,199
» I just move the microphone down a bit.

5528
04:20:27,520 --> 04:20:30,640
Yes. And speak right up close to it.

5529
04:20:29,199 --> 04:20:31,680
» Good afternoon. Can everybody hear me?

5530
04:20:30,640 --> 04:20:32,560
Okay. Now,

5531
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:35,279
» Good. Thank you.

5532
04:20:32,560 --> 04:20:37,840
» Okay. I'd like to begin by

5533
04:20:35,279 --> 04:20:40,960
introducing myself. I'm Dave Wilcox and

5534
04:20:37,840 --> 04:20:43,279
over here to my left is my wife Kathy.

5535
04:20:40,960 --> 04:20:45,760
We live at 245689

5536
04:20:43,279 --> 04:20:48,720
Side Road 22 which is directly across

5537
04:20:45,760 --> 04:20:52,159
from the subject property.

5538
04:20:48,720 --> 04:20:55,840
We were opposed to the initial reszoning

5539
04:20:52,159 --> 04:20:58,000
which granted Johnny bees a temporary

5540
04:20:55,840 --> 04:21:00,560
three-year permit to operate his

5541
04:20:58,000 --> 04:21:03,520
business across directly across the

5542
04:21:00,560 --> 04:21:06,800
road. We are also opposed to this

5543
04:21:03,520 --> 04:21:09,840
application for a three-year extension.

5544
04:21:06,800 --> 04:21:11,760
Our concerns are as follows.

5545
04:21:09,840 --> 04:21:14,800
A heavy increase in the amount of

5546
04:21:11,760 --> 04:21:18,159
traffic on side road 22.

5547
04:21:14,800 --> 04:21:20,159
We requested a traffic count be done 3

5548
04:21:18,159 --> 04:21:23,199
years ago. I would like to know from the

5549
04:21:20,159 --> 04:21:26,120
municipality if there has ever been a

5550
04:21:23,199 --> 04:21:27,199
traffic count done.

5551
04:21:26,120 --> 04:21:29,199
» [clears throat]

5552
04:21:27,199 --> 04:21:31,040
» The number two issue is dangerous

5553
04:21:29,199 --> 04:21:33,359
driving at the entrance to the business

5554
04:21:31,040 --> 04:21:35,760
as vehicles do not stop when exiting the

5555
04:21:33,359 --> 04:21:40,720
driveway. We've seen many near

5556
04:21:35,760 --> 04:21:43,279
collisions there, including me twice.

5557
04:21:40,720 --> 04:21:45,840
Speeding vehicles on side road 22. That

5558
04:21:43,279 --> 04:21:47,680
was also an issue three years ago. It

5559
04:21:45,840 --> 04:21:51,920
was mentioned that maybe the speed limit

5560
04:21:47,680 --> 04:21:54,000
on the side road be reduced to 70 km an

5561
04:21:51,920 --> 04:21:55,760
hour. I have not heard seen anything

5562
04:21:54,000 --> 04:21:58,720
like that. I don't know that that would

5563
04:21:55,760 --> 04:22:00,560
really fix anything because the vehicles

5564
04:21:58,720 --> 04:22:03,520
are doing at least 100 kilometers an

5565
04:22:00,560 --> 04:22:06,239
hour. So what difference does it make if

5566
04:22:03,520 --> 04:22:09,920
you reduce it by 10?

5567
04:22:06,239 --> 04:22:12,640
And uh excessive noise and car alarms at

5568
04:22:09,920 --> 04:22:14,640
all hours. There's noise coming from

5569
04:22:12,640 --> 04:22:19,279
that place

5570
04:22:14,640 --> 04:22:20,960
24 hours a day. Car alarms banging

5571
04:22:19,279 --> 04:22:23,439
carrying on. I know Johnny has a

5572
04:22:20,960 --> 04:22:25,279
business to look after, but he also has

5573
04:22:23,439 --> 04:22:27,680
business hours that he's supposed to

5574
04:22:25,279 --> 04:22:30,399
operate between. And that is very much

5575
04:22:27,680 --> 04:22:32,960
extended. At night, if I leave my

5576
04:22:30,399 --> 04:22:34,960
windows open, sometimes I can't sleep

5577
04:22:32,960 --> 04:22:36,560
because all I hear is banging and car

5578
04:22:34,960 --> 04:22:39,760
alarms.

5579
04:22:36,560 --> 04:22:42,880
And we live in a rural area, which we

5580
04:22:39,760 --> 04:22:44,640
don't shouldn't have to put up with.

5581
04:22:42,880 --> 04:22:46,720
One of our my biggest concerns is

5582
04:22:44,640 --> 04:22:48,239
contamination into the protected water

5583
04:22:46,720 --> 04:22:50,159
course.

5584
04:22:48,239 --> 04:22:51,760
It was mentioned years ago that water

5585
04:22:50,159 --> 04:22:53,520
samples were going to be taken. Has

5586
04:22:51,760 --> 04:22:55,680
council taken any or has the

5587
04:22:53,520 --> 04:22:58,960
municipality taken any water samples to

5588
04:22:55,680 --> 04:23:01,680
see about contamination?

5589
04:22:58,960 --> 04:23:03,840
We've heard nothing.

5590
04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:06,800
Decline declining property values for

5591
04:23:03,840 --> 04:23:09,760
all the budding land owners. That's

5592
04:23:06,800 --> 04:23:12,080
that's a huge thing. You guys extend

5593
04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:13,680
this another three years. got six years

5594
04:23:12,080 --> 04:23:15,680
where

5595
04:23:13,680 --> 04:23:18,319
the the value of everybody's property, a

5596
04:23:15,680 --> 04:23:20,080
bunning land owner's property is down.

5597
04:23:18,319 --> 04:23:21,760
And if somebody wants to sell, well, you

5598
04:23:20,080 --> 04:23:25,040
now you don't want to sell till after

5599
04:23:21,760 --> 04:23:26,960
Johnny be has moved away because

5600
04:23:25,040 --> 04:23:29,680
your land value is going to increase

5601
04:23:26,960 --> 04:23:30,960
immensely

5602
04:23:29,680 --> 04:23:33,840
and general [clears throat]

5603
04:23:30,960 --> 04:23:36,399
non-compliance to all municipal bylaws.

5604
04:23:33,840 --> 04:23:38,880
Examples of this are the number of

5605
04:23:36,399 --> 04:23:42,399
vehicles on site in various states of

5606
04:23:38,880 --> 04:23:42,399
repair and disrepair.

5607
04:23:43,017 --> 04:23:45,199
» [clears throat]

5608
04:23:43,439 --> 04:23:47,439
» They're supposed to have a maximum of 10

5609
04:23:45,199 --> 04:23:52,560
vehicles on site.

5610
04:23:47,439 --> 04:23:54,880
I've counted up as many as 93 on site

5611
04:23:52,560 --> 04:23:57,520
and that's a lot more than 10. I don't

5612
04:23:54,880 --> 04:24:00,479
know why he needs to have 93 vehicles on

5613
04:23:57,520 --> 04:24:02,239
site in a special agricultural area and

5614
04:24:00,479 --> 04:24:05,960
many of those vehicles are outside of

5615
04:24:02,239 --> 04:24:05,960
the permitted area.

5616
04:24:07,920 --> 04:24:15,840
tires being stored in properly outside.

5617
04:24:12,000 --> 04:24:18,560
As far as I know, most people that have

5618
04:24:15,840 --> 04:24:21,760
businesses, they have containers that

5619
04:24:18,560 --> 04:24:23,920
the tires are stored in.

5620
04:24:21,760 --> 04:24:26,560
There's these are just being stored

5621
04:24:23,920 --> 04:24:29,680
outside and are

5622
04:24:26,560 --> 04:24:31,520
an eyes sore and I've already mentioned

5623
04:24:29,680 --> 04:24:33,199
operating outside of normal business

5624
04:24:31,520 --> 04:24:35,680
hours.

5625
04:24:33,199 --> 04:24:38,239
This is just a very generalized list of

5626
04:24:35,680 --> 04:24:39,920
concerns, many of which have been what

5627
04:24:38,239 --> 04:24:42,640
many of which were brought forward to

5628
04:24:39,920 --> 04:24:44,479
council before the initial resoning. We

5629
04:24:42,640 --> 04:24:46,319
are very frustrated that some of these

5630
04:24:44,479 --> 04:24:48,640
concerns have never been dealt with by

5631
04:24:46,319 --> 04:24:50,720
the municipality.

5632
04:24:48,640 --> 04:24:53,920
We really feel that the municipality has

5633
04:24:50,720 --> 04:24:58,239
dropped the ball on this subject.

5634
04:24:53,920 --> 04:25:03,359
And in closing, we we hope the council

5635
04:24:58,239 --> 04:25:05,840
will take some of this information

5636
04:25:03,359 --> 04:25:08,640
into account when making their decisions

5637
04:25:05,840 --> 04:25:10,560
on this matter. Thank you very much.

5638
04:25:08,640 --> 04:25:13,920
» Thank you.

5639
04:25:10,560 --> 04:25:16,920
» The uh second party to speak is Lynn

5640
04:25:13,920 --> 04:25:16,920
Piery.

5641
04:25:31,600 --> 04:25:35,680
My name is Lynn Piery and I'm here

5642
04:25:33,840 --> 04:25:39,120
speaking on behalf of my husband and

5643
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:42,479
myself. We live right next door to

5644
04:25:39,120 --> 04:25:44,640
Johnny Bees and Extreme Excavating.

5645
04:25:42,479 --> 04:25:46,720
Before I address council, I would really

5646
04:25:44,640 --> 04:25:48,800
like to

5647
04:25:46,720 --> 04:25:51,439
talk to Mr. Bullsync, the property

5648
04:25:48,800 --> 04:25:55,840
owner, and those who support them.

5649
04:25:51,439 --> 04:25:59,359
Please listen to what I have to say.

5650
04:25:55,840 --> 04:26:02,479
I would not be standing here today

5651
04:25:59,359 --> 04:26:04,560
fighting this extension if the rules had

5652
04:26:02,479 --> 04:26:07,199
been followed. There were restrictions

5653
04:26:04,560 --> 04:26:11,279
set out in that temporary reasonzoning

5654
04:26:07,199 --> 04:26:14,319
and they have just flaunted all of they

5655
04:26:11,279 --> 04:26:16,640
obliterated the rules. Further, in

5656
04:26:14,319 --> 04:26:19,439
addition, for the past 3 years, I've

5657
04:26:16,640 --> 04:26:22,159
experienced an ongoing campaign of

5658
04:26:19,439 --> 04:26:25,439
harassment and attempts to intimidate

5659
04:26:22,159 --> 04:26:28,159
me. I served 22 years as a member of our

5660
04:26:25,439 --> 04:26:30,319
Canadian Armed Forces. I'm not easily

5661
04:26:28,159 --> 04:26:33,279
intim intimidated, but you can keep

5662
04:26:30,319 --> 04:26:36,159
trying. Like this gentleman who was

5663
04:26:33,279 --> 04:26:39,120
staring at me prior to the meeting and

5664
04:26:36,159 --> 04:26:41,760
this gentleman who just stands right

5665
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:45,760
behind us.

5666
04:26:41,760 --> 04:26:48,800
You can tell me to go back to the city.

5667
04:26:45,760 --> 04:26:51,800
» You can dump your crap at the end of my

5668
04:26:48,800 --> 04:26:51,800
driveway.

5669
04:26:58,560 --> 04:27:04,479
Um, I just want to make a comment here.

5670
04:27:02,159 --> 04:27:07,120
Um,

5671
04:27:04,479 --> 04:27:09,439
we really want to have a a

5672
04:27:07,120 --> 04:27:13,359
» I'm I'm just here to speak my peace,

5673
04:27:09,439 --> 04:27:14,960
Mayor. I'm I had a really nice, very

5674
04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:19,600
polite

5675
04:27:14,960 --> 04:27:22,560
uh well-crafted speech written, but

5676
04:27:19,600 --> 04:27:24,080
» This note in my mailbox, am I allowed to

5677
04:27:22,560 --> 04:27:24,800
say what it says on here in chamber

5678
04:27:24,080 --> 04:27:27,359
council?

5679
04:27:24,800 --> 04:27:31,359
» I would not. No. And what I'm saying is

5680
04:27:27,359 --> 04:27:34,399
uh I we in order to have a a a

5681
04:27:31,359 --> 04:27:34,960
reasonable discussion of the application

5682
04:27:34,399 --> 04:27:37,359
uh

5683
04:27:34,960 --> 04:27:38,880
» I need to discuss the escalating and

5684
04:27:37,359 --> 04:27:40,800
ongoing harassment.

5685
04:27:38,880 --> 04:27:43,600
» Okay. And but can you do that in a way

5686
04:27:40,800 --> 04:27:44,960
that you do not uh incite people to uh

5687
04:27:43,600 --> 04:27:47,520
you know because then we're going to

5688
04:27:44,960 --> 04:27:52,640
have a riot and not appropriate.

5689
04:27:47,520 --> 04:27:54,239
» People have incited me. I'm here because

5690
04:27:52,640 --> 04:27:56,159
you dump your crap at the end of my

5691
04:27:54,239 --> 04:28:00,960
driveway. You tell me to go back to the

5692
04:27:56,159 --> 04:28:02,720
city and call me a very nasty name.

5693
04:28:00,960 --> 04:28:06,080
Um

5694
04:28:02,720 --> 04:28:08,239
you honk your horn at midnight.

5695
04:28:06,080 --> 04:28:10,560
You leave nasty notes in my mailbox. you

5696
04:28:08,239 --> 04:28:14,319
and I'm not going to stop. So that's why

5697
04:28:10,560 --> 04:28:18,159
I'm here because of your

5698
04:28:14,319 --> 04:28:21,199
No, you can't. This is my turn to speak.

5699
04:28:18,159 --> 04:28:24,479
» This is why you're hearing it, honey.

5700
04:28:21,199 --> 04:28:27,120
This is why I'm here because of your

5701
04:28:24,479 --> 04:28:29,439
escalating harassment and intimidations

5702
04:28:27,120 --> 04:28:34,319
and Mr. Bullsyncs and the property

5703
04:28:29,439 --> 04:28:36,239
owners disregard for any rules. So to

5704
04:28:34,319 --> 04:28:38,880
Mayor Kentner,

5705
04:28:36,239 --> 04:28:42,640
Deputy Mayor Cavini, members of the

5706
04:28:38,880 --> 04:28:45,279
municipal staff and council, here's the

5707
04:28:42,640 --> 04:28:48,640
nitty-gritty of what I've come to say. I

5708
04:28:45,279 --> 04:28:51,680
have composed, but not yet sent 28

5709
04:28:48,640 --> 04:28:54,319
emails to various county, provincial,

5710
04:28:51,680 --> 04:28:57,840
and federal government entities and

5711
04:28:54,319 --> 04:29:00,319
other groups. I've email I have them in

5712
04:28:57,840 --> 04:29:02,720
my drafts. Environment ministers, health

5713
04:29:00,319 --> 04:29:06,000
ministers, even their critics in

5714
04:29:02,720 --> 04:29:09,000
opposition, I have 28 emails sitting

5715
04:29:06,000 --> 04:29:09,000
there.

5716
04:29:11,840 --> 04:29:16,000
Should you decide to extend the

5717
04:29:14,000 --> 04:29:18,960
temporary reszoning by as much as 10

5718
04:29:16,000 --> 04:29:21,120
minutes, I will press send on all of

5719
04:29:18,960 --> 04:29:23,680
that and then I will submit my complaint

5720
04:29:21,120 --> 04:29:25,199
to the Ontario Land Tribunal. I do have

5721
04:29:23,680 --> 04:29:26,479
three other plans up my sleeve, but I

5722
04:29:25,199 --> 04:29:28,720
don't I won't use them. I call them

5723
04:29:26,479 --> 04:29:31,040
nuclear options, and I don't want to go

5724
04:29:28,720 --> 04:29:33,439
scorched earth if I if I if I don't, but

5725
04:29:31,040 --> 04:29:35,520
I will not stop. And another thing, the

5726
04:29:33,439 --> 04:29:37,760
property in question must be cleaned up

5727
04:29:35,520 --> 04:29:41,680
and have clean water and soil samples by

5728
04:29:37,760 --> 04:29:45,439
midnight on November 13th. I will not

5729
04:29:41,680 --> 04:29:48,560
stop. Thank you for your time.

5730
04:29:45,439 --> 04:29:51,560
Thank you. Uh the next speaker is Greg

5731
04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:51,560
Hart.

5732
04:29:51,600 --> 04:29:54,600
Somebody

5733
04:29:55,120 --> 04:29:59,560
gets disabled, they need to say.

5734
04:30:00,720 --> 04:30:06,159
» Mr. Mayor, before I start, I have worked

5735
04:30:03,439 --> 04:30:08,239
very hard on my presentation and I know

5736
04:30:06,159 --> 04:30:08,880
that you have a fivem minute limit.

5737
04:30:08,239 --> 04:30:11,040
» Sorry,

5738
04:30:08,880 --> 04:30:14,239
» You have a five minute limit on

5739
04:30:11,040 --> 04:30:16,399
presentations. If I go 30 seconds over,

5740
04:30:14,239 --> 04:30:19,840
would you indulge me?

5741
04:30:16,399 --> 04:30:22,239
» I for 30 seconds. Of course I would. I

5742
04:30:19,840 --> 04:30:23,920
think we've indulged I appreciate that

5743
04:30:22,239 --> 04:30:26,880
very much. I just wanted to make that

5744
04:30:23,920 --> 04:30:29,040
clear first because it is a very

5745
04:30:26,880 --> 04:30:32,960
important subject as you know.

5746
04:30:29,040 --> 04:30:35,439
» So, Mr. Mayor, members of council, I'm

5747
04:30:32,960 --> 04:30:38,239
here on behalf of John Bolsync to

5748
04:30:35,439 --> 04:30:40,800
express my support for his efforts to

5749
04:30:38,239 --> 04:30:43,600
complete the rebuilding of Johnny Bee's

5750
04:30:40,800 --> 04:30:46,399
auto and return his business to its

5751
04:30:43,600 --> 04:30:48,640
longtime home in Meford. Three years

5752
04:30:46,399 --> 04:30:51,359
ago, Johnny Bee's was auto was

5753
04:30:48,640 --> 04:30:53,920
devastated by a fire. It was a tragic

5754
04:30:51,359 --> 04:30:56,880
day for John, his family, his employees,

5755
04:30:53,920 --> 04:30:58,800
and our entire community. Johnny Bees

5756
04:30:56,880 --> 04:31:01,279
has served the Meford community

5757
04:30:58,800 --> 04:31:04,560
faithfully for many years. Earned the

5758
04:31:01,279 --> 04:31:07,279
trust and loyalty of c of countless

5759
04:31:04,560 --> 04:31:09,760
customers. For many of us, John was more

5760
04:31:07,279 --> 04:31:12,080
than just a mechanic. He was someone we

5761
04:31:09,760 --> 04:31:14,560
relied on to keep our family safely on

5762
04:31:12,080 --> 04:31:16,800
the road. Following the fire, the

5763
04:31:14,560 --> 04:31:19,120
community rallied around John. Council

5764
04:31:16,800 --> 04:31:21,040
members, mayor, local businesses,

5765
04:31:19,120 --> 04:31:23,520
residents, and surrounding communities

5766
04:31:21,040 --> 04:31:26,800
all expressed their support and their

5767
04:31:23,520 --> 04:31:28,880
desire to see Johnny's rebuilt. There

5768
04:31:26,800 --> 04:31:31,600
was a shared belief that this important

5769
04:31:28,880 --> 04:31:34,239
local business belonged to in Meford and

5770
04:31:31,600 --> 04:31:37,120
should return as soon as possible.

5771
04:31:34,239 --> 04:31:40,479
Unfortunately, 3 years later, that goal

5772
04:31:37,120 --> 04:31:43,040
has still not been achieved. Johnny has

5773
04:31:40,479 --> 04:31:45,359
invested substantial time and money into

5774
04:31:43,040 --> 04:31:48,080
this project. Professional engineers

5775
04:31:45,359 --> 04:31:49,760
have prepared plans. Contractors have

5776
04:31:48,080 --> 04:31:51,920
completed work. The building

5777
04:31:49,760 --> 04:31:54,880
foundation's been in place for over a

5778
04:31:51,920 --> 04:31:57,279
year. Structural steel is ready to be

5779
04:31:54,880 --> 04:31:59,199
erected. Yet another permit is still

5780
04:31:57,279 --> 04:32:02,080
required before construction can

5781
04:31:59,199 --> 04:32:04,159
proceed. So the question in many people

5782
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:07,279
in this community in their minds is

5783
04:32:04,159 --> 04:32:11,199
simple. Why has this process taken so

5784
04:32:07,279 --> 04:32:13,840
long? The challenge has been continuity

5785
04:32:11,199 --> 04:32:15,920
within the building department. I'm sure

5786
04:32:13,840 --> 04:32:17,760
over the past three years, Meford has

5787
04:32:15,920 --> 04:32:20,720
experienced turnover in a senior

5788
04:32:17,760 --> 04:32:23,840
administration and in building

5789
04:32:20,720 --> 04:32:26,640
leadership. Every transition inevitably

5790
04:32:23,840 --> 04:32:28,880
requires new staff to become familiar

5791
04:32:26,640 --> 04:32:32,720
with existing files, reviewing

5792
04:32:28,880 --> 04:32:36,399
preisions, and ensuring compliance with

5793
04:32:32,720 --> 04:32:38,640
acceptable and applicable legislation.

5794
04:32:36,399 --> 04:32:40,640
While that is understandable, act

5795
04:32:38,640 --> 04:32:43,359
applicants should not bear the cost of

5796
04:32:40,640 --> 04:32:46,000
unnecessary delays resulting from

5797
04:32:43,359 --> 04:32:48,080
organizational change.

5798
04:32:46,000 --> 04:32:50,239
Large commercial projects are complex.

5799
04:32:48,080 --> 04:32:52,560
They often require revisions, technical

5800
04:32:50,239 --> 04:32:56,159
reviews, and compliance with Ontario

5801
04:32:52,560 --> 04:32:59,439
building code, and no one disputes that.

5802
04:32:56,159 --> 04:33:02,159
However, every requested revision

5803
04:32:59,439 --> 04:33:04,719
results in additional engineering work,

5804
04:33:02,159 --> 04:33:07,279
additional costs, additional time. When

5805
04:33:04,719 --> 04:33:10,639
reviews extend over months rather than

5806
04:33:07,279 --> 04:33:12,561
weeks, these costs continue to grow.

5807
04:33:10,639 --> 04:33:14,480
Inflation has increased construction

5808
04:33:12,561 --> 04:33:17,840
costs dramatically over the past four

5809
04:33:14,480 --> 04:33:20,080
years. Delays making rebuilding s uh

5810
04:33:17,840 --> 04:33:23,520
delays make rebuilding significantly

5811
04:33:20,080 --> 04:33:26,719
more expensive for any building builder

5812
04:33:23,520 --> 04:33:28,480
business owner. I'm sorry. John has

5813
04:33:26,719 --> 04:33:30,959
shown remarkable patience throughout

5814
04:33:28,480 --> 04:33:32,799
this process. He's asked for and

5815
04:33:30,959 --> 04:33:36,080
received council's approval to

5816
04:33:32,799 --> 04:33:38,879
temporarily relocate his business on

5817
04:33:36,080 --> 04:33:40,719
concession 22 so he could continue

5818
04:33:38,879 --> 04:33:43,520
serving his customers while rebuilding

5819
04:33:40,719 --> 04:33:46,080
was underway. At that time everyone

5820
04:33:43,520 --> 04:33:49,840
understood this was intended to be a

5821
04:33:46,080 --> 04:33:52,959
temporary solution not a permanent one.

5822
04:33:49,840 --> 04:33:56,959
So today 3 years later Johnny be's auto

5823
04:33:52,959 --> 04:33:59,600
remains in a temporary location.

5824
04:33:56,959 --> 04:34:01,520
Why? Well, the situation affects more

5825
04:33:59,600 --> 04:34:03,359
than one person. It affects his

5826
04:34:01,520 --> 04:34:06,320
employees. It affects his customers. It

5827
04:34:03,359 --> 04:34:08,080
affects the nearby residents.

5828
04:34:06,320 --> 04:34:11,119
Every successful small business

5829
04:34:08,080 --> 04:34:14,400
contributes jobs, tax revenue, economic

5830
04:34:11,119 --> 04:34:16,480
activity, and community stability.

5831
04:34:14,400 --> 04:34:18,160
Helping an established local business

5832
04:34:16,480 --> 04:34:20,480
return to its permanent location

5833
04:34:18,160 --> 04:34:23,439
benefits every

5834
04:34:20,480 --> 04:34:25,760
So, I'm not here to criticize municipal

5835
04:34:23,439 --> 04:34:28,959
staff. I recognize they have demanding

5836
04:34:25,760 --> 04:34:32,959
jobs and must ensure every project

5837
04:34:28,959 --> 04:34:35,039
complies with applicable legislation.

5838
04:34:32,959 --> 04:34:36,639
But what I'm asking for is

5839
04:34:35,039 --> 04:34:40,080
accountability,

5840
04:34:36,639 --> 04:34:42,000
communication, and a sense of urgency.

5841
04:34:40,080 --> 04:34:44,480
There are outstanding dis if there are

5842
04:34:42,000 --> 04:34:46,879
outstanding deficiency, let John know

5843
04:34:44,480 --> 04:34:49,039
exactly what they are. If additional

5844
04:34:46,879 --> 04:34:51,920
information's required, provide a

5845
04:34:49,039 --> 04:34:54,799
checklist. If timelines can be

5846
04:34:51,920 --> 04:34:57,359
established, communicate them with them.

5847
04:34:54,799 --> 04:35:00,240
Most importantly, assign someone to

5848
04:34:57,359 --> 04:35:02,240
shepherd this file from beginning to

5849
04:35:00,240 --> 04:35:05,760
completion so it does not continue to

5850
04:35:02,240 --> 04:35:08,639
stall as responsibilities shift between

5851
04:35:05,760 --> 04:35:10,799
departments or personnel or even the

5852
04:35:08,639 --> 04:35:12,639
municipal election.

5853
04:35:10,799 --> 04:35:14,879
Council has the opportunity to

5854
04:35:12,639 --> 04:35:17,279
demonstrate that Meford supports local

5855
04:35:14,879 --> 04:35:19,680
business. This is not asking about

5856
04:35:17,279 --> 04:35:22,160
special treatment. It's about ensuring

5857
04:35:19,680 --> 04:35:24,240
that respectful business owners who have

5858
04:35:22,160 --> 04:35:26,719
worked in good faith for the last three

5859
04:35:24,240 --> 04:35:29,760
years receive fair, efficient, and

5860
04:35:26,719 --> 04:35:31,680
timely service. As we approach another

5861
04:35:29,760 --> 04:35:33,920
municipal election, I believe residents

5862
04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:36,639
will be watching closely to see how

5863
04:35:33,920 --> 04:35:39,359
council supports businesses that choose

5864
04:35:36,639 --> 04:35:42,639
to invest in our community.

5865
04:35:39,359 --> 04:35:44,879
John's ready. The contractor's ready.

5866
04:35:42,639 --> 04:35:47,359
His building materials are ready. His

5867
04:35:44,879 --> 04:35:49,520
customers are waiting. Now, it's time

5868
04:35:47,359 --> 04:35:52,879
for this approval process to move

5869
04:35:49,520 --> 04:35:56,080
forward forward. Excuse me. I

5870
04:35:52,879 --> 04:35:59,199
respectfully ask council to direct staff

5871
04:35:56,080 --> 04:36:02,080
to make this project a priority,

5872
04:35:59,199 --> 04:36:04,879
identify any remaining requirements,

5873
04:36:02,080 --> 04:36:07,680
establish a clear path forward for

5874
04:36:04,879 --> 04:36:10,719
permit approval, and to help bring

5875
04:36:07,680 --> 04:36:13,039
Johnny's bees back to where it belongs

5876
04:36:10,719 --> 04:36:16,760
in the town of Meph.

5877
04:36:13,039 --> 04:36:16,760
Thank you for your future.

5878
04:36:23,760 --> 04:36:29,561
The next next speaker is uh Michelle

5879
04:36:26,561 --> 04:36:29,561
Whitmer.

5880
04:36:39,520 --> 04:36:46,279
» Yep. Is Michelle Witmore here? Yes.

5881
04:36:43,279 --> 04:36:46,279
Okay.

5882
04:36:51,920 --> 04:36:55,600
Just while you're getting ready to to

5883
04:36:53,680 --> 04:36:58,000
take the mic there, I I'm just going to

5884
04:36:55,600 --> 04:37:00,400
share with you that uh you know, members

5885
04:36:58,000 --> 04:37:02,879
of council and staff uh are coming to

5886
04:37:00,400 --> 04:37:05,199
this meeting with an open mind and uh to

5887
04:37:02,879 --> 04:37:08,080
hear from the public, both those who are

5888
04:37:05,199 --> 04:37:10,719
in favor and those who are not. And no

5889
04:37:08,080 --> 04:37:13,119
decision is going to be made tonight. So

5890
04:37:10,719 --> 04:37:15,119
be aware of that, please. Uh go ahead,

5891
04:37:13,119 --> 04:37:18,160
Michelle.

5892
04:37:15,119 --> 04:37:20,400
Mayor, council, good afternoon. I'm

5893
04:37:18,160 --> 04:37:23,199
Michelle Whitmore, a friend and a

5894
04:37:20,400 --> 04:37:26,480
business associate associate of John

5895
04:37:23,199 --> 04:37:29,920
Bullsync and of Johnny Bee's Auto. Thank

5896
04:37:26,480 --> 04:37:32,480
you for having me here today. I wish to

5897
04:37:29,920 --> 04:37:35,039
speak to you about hardship.

5898
04:37:32,480 --> 04:37:38,160
Due to the fire in May of 2023, the

5899
04:37:35,039 --> 04:37:41,279
family business known as Donnie Bees has

5900
04:37:38,160 --> 04:37:44,959
had to deal with stress causing health

5901
04:37:41,279 --> 04:37:48,240
issues and undue financial hardships

5902
04:37:44,959 --> 04:37:50,480
that they have faced

5903
04:37:48,240 --> 04:37:53,439
due to not being able to rebuild for the

5904
04:37:50,480 --> 04:37:55,840
last three years. I would like to remind

5905
04:37:53,439 --> 04:37:58,240
everyone that they have faced many

5906
04:37:55,840 --> 04:38:01,199
refusals for rebuilding. They have

5907
04:37:58,240 --> 04:38:04,240
submitted and planned on rebuilding

5908
04:38:01,199 --> 04:38:07,199
since the day the fire happened. But due

5909
04:38:04,240 --> 04:38:10,080
to circumstances beyond their control,

5910
04:38:07,199 --> 04:38:12,480
they are still waiting on approval.

5911
04:38:10,080 --> 04:38:14,719
With the generosity of a customer and a

5912
04:38:12,480 --> 04:38:17,199
friend, a place was found for a

5913
04:38:14,719 --> 04:38:21,119
temporary solution. With the support of

5914
04:38:17,199 --> 04:38:24,639
the township varants, they were able to

5915
04:38:21,119 --> 04:38:27,600
retain partial business while awaiting a

5916
04:38:24,639 --> 04:38:29,439
building permit.

5917
04:38:27,600 --> 04:38:32,879
They were requesting an additional

5918
04:38:29,439 --> 04:38:35,520
variance to sustain some income for

5919
04:38:32,879 --> 04:38:37,680
their family and employees. This

5920
04:38:35,520 --> 04:38:41,359
variance would be for an additional 3

5921
04:38:37,680 --> 04:38:43,600
years if accepted by council. I would

5922
04:38:41,359 --> 04:38:46,080
like for the mayor to understand the

5923
04:38:43,600 --> 04:38:48,719
losses are still happening to this small

5924
04:38:46,080 --> 04:38:51,199
business. They cannot have their convict

5925
04:38:48,719 --> 04:38:54,240
license which allows buying and selling

5926
04:38:51,199 --> 04:38:57,039
of cars. The body shop for repairs is

5927
04:38:54,240 --> 04:38:59,920
not available due to the temporary

5928
04:38:57,039 --> 04:39:03,119
location. The business is struggling

5929
04:38:59,920 --> 04:39:05,600
financially, losing approximately 50% of

5930
04:39:03,119 --> 04:39:08,400
their business revenue. It's only

5931
04:39:05,600 --> 04:39:11,760
covering cost. They are unable to

5932
04:39:08,400 --> 04:39:14,000
satisfy their customers base due to so

5933
04:39:11,760 --> 04:39:15,840
many limitations.

5934
04:39:14,000 --> 04:39:19,680
This small business has always been

5935
04:39:15,840 --> 04:39:22,959
compliant with rules, regulations,

5936
04:39:19,680 --> 04:39:26,400
government policies and procedures.

5937
04:39:22,959 --> 04:39:28,160
As with any business, they are licensed

5938
04:39:26,400 --> 04:39:30,959
requirements.

5939
04:39:28,160 --> 04:39:32,959
Examples are easer, which is the

5940
04:39:30,959 --> 04:39:36,320
environmental

5941
04:39:32,959 --> 04:39:39,200
env for used cars, drive on so they can

5942
04:39:36,320 --> 04:39:40,798
do a safety on your car, tire

5943
04:39:39,200 --> 04:39:44,320
stewardship,

5944
04:39:40,798 --> 04:39:48,320
business licenses. These are all things

5945
04:39:44,320 --> 04:39:50,958
that they have to pay and maintain with

5946
04:39:48,320 --> 04:39:54,680
or without

5947
04:39:50,958 --> 04:39:54,680
a solid site.

5948
04:39:54,798 --> 04:39:59,440
There is only a temporary trailer for

5949
04:39:56,958 --> 04:40:02,958
office space and no room to grow from

5950
04:39:59,440 --> 04:40:05,760
this location. The bottom line is they

5951
04:40:02,958 --> 04:40:08,400
require their new permit for rebuild or

5952
04:40:05,760 --> 04:40:11,600
they require this location for longer

5953
04:40:08,400 --> 04:40:16,160
term or the financial hardship will

5954
04:40:11,600 --> 04:40:18,160
cause more tragedy than the fire itself.

5955
04:40:16,160 --> 04:40:23,200
People will be out of work with nowhere

5956
04:40:18,160 --> 04:40:27,040
to go. A family, a solid family in this

5957
04:40:23,200 --> 04:40:31,760
community needs the compassion of this

5958
04:40:27,040 --> 04:40:33,440
council to accept this as a need to this

5959
04:40:31,760 --> 04:40:34,480
community.

5960
04:40:33,440 --> 04:40:37,718
Thank you.

5961
04:40:34,480 --> 04:40:37,718
» Thank you.

5962
04:40:41,120 --> 04:40:46,360
Finally, finally, I'm [clears throat]

5963
04:40:42,320 --> 04:40:46,360
going to call on Ken Jolly.

5964
04:40:52,400 --> 04:40:56,480
Good evening everyone. My name is Ken

5965
04:40:54,878 --> 04:40:59,200
Jelly and I'm here not as Johnny's

5966
04:40:56,480 --> 04:41:01,600
friend but I'm but myself because I'm a

5967
04:40:59,200 --> 04:41:03,600
customer and I'm a business owner and I

5968
04:41:01,600 --> 04:41:05,360
need my mechanic.

5969
04:41:03,600 --> 04:41:07,840
Just like thousands of other customers

5970
04:41:05,360 --> 04:41:09,840
and other businesses rely on him. The

5971
04:41:07,840 --> 04:41:12,320
local economy is intertwined in having a

5972
04:41:09,840 --> 04:41:14,480
reliable vehicles to run our businesses

5973
04:41:12,320 --> 04:41:16,718
to get to and from work. Not approving

5974
04:41:14,480 --> 04:41:19,760
this extension has huge economic

5975
04:41:16,718 --> 04:41:22,080
recourse with the entire community and

5976
04:41:19,760 --> 04:41:25,040
would devastate the bullings.

5977
04:41:22,080 --> 04:41:27,440
We all know what we are here to discuss.

5978
04:41:25,040 --> 04:41:30,320
But do we know why? Why are the bulls

5979
04:41:27,440 --> 04:41:32,240
still operating on side road 22? They

5980
04:41:30,320 --> 04:41:34,160
don't want to be there. Some of the

5981
04:41:32,240 --> 04:41:36,080
neighbors don't want them there. Their

5982
04:41:34,160 --> 04:41:38,718
customers don't want them there. But yet

5983
04:41:36,080 --> 04:41:41,360
they're stuck there. The bulls have done

5984
04:41:38,718 --> 04:41:43,760
everything that they can be done not to

5985
04:41:41,360 --> 04:41:46,400
be there. The site plan was done years

5986
04:41:43,760 --> 04:41:49,280
ago. An engineered steel building sits

5987
04:41:46,400 --> 04:41:51,760
on the Highway 26 site ready to be

5988
04:41:49,280 --> 04:41:53,760
erected. And there's been and has been

5989
04:41:51,760 --> 04:41:57,520
there for quite some time. A concrete

5990
04:41:53,760 --> 04:42:00,080
foundation was approved. Sits ready. No

5991
04:41:57,520 --> 04:42:02,320
building permits, no way to leave side

5992
04:42:00,080 --> 04:42:05,440
road 22 and let the neighborhood go back

5993
04:42:02,320 --> 04:42:08,400
to normal. So why in 3 years, 1 month,

5994
04:42:05,440 --> 04:42:11,280
19 days does he not have a permit? Does

5995
04:42:08,400 --> 04:42:12,798
bureaucracy really take this long? Is a

5996
04:42:11,280 --> 04:42:15,680
town really trying all that hard to

5997
04:42:12,798 --> 04:42:18,400
remedy the situation? Everyone would be

5998
04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:20,480
happier if he wasn't there. So here we

5999
04:42:18,400 --> 04:42:22,560
are asking for an extension for the bull

6000
04:42:20,480 --> 04:42:25,200
sinks to be where no one wants them to

6001
04:42:22,560 --> 04:42:26,638
be, where they don't want to be. All

6002
04:42:25,200 --> 04:42:29,280
because they are still waiting for a

6003
04:42:26,638 --> 04:42:31,120
building permit. Now I'm aware of the

6004
04:42:29,280 --> 04:42:33,760
say no to Johnny B petition from the

6005
04:42:31,120 --> 04:42:36,240
neighbors who don't want the bull sinks

6006
04:42:33,760 --> 04:42:38,798
on side 22. to the organizers of the

6007
04:42:36,240 --> 04:42:40,400
petition. You do know the bulls are on

6008
04:42:38,798 --> 04:42:43,040
the same you and the bulls are on the

6009
04:42:40,400 --> 04:42:44,718
same side. You could be allies. You

6010
04:42:43,040 --> 04:42:47,040
could be helping each other get get him

6011
04:42:44,718 --> 04:42:48,638
back to where he should be. Have you

6012
04:42:47,040 --> 04:42:50,958
ever asked the town why they're taking

6013
04:42:48,638 --> 04:42:53,280
so long with the permits?

6014
04:42:50,958 --> 04:42:55,360
I understand that temporary zoning for

6015
04:42:53,280 --> 04:42:56,718
this property had a timeline on it. And

6016
04:42:55,360 --> 04:42:59,680
when it was first granted, it should

6017
04:42:56,718 --> 04:43:01,680
have been tons of time to get permits to

6018
04:42:59,680 --> 04:43:03,840
get the build done. But with it soon

6019
04:43:01,680 --> 04:43:06,080
expiring, it's only logical to grant an

6020
04:43:03,840 --> 04:43:08,798
extension since the town is the only

6021
04:43:06,080 --> 04:43:11,280
reason he is still there. The site plan

6022
04:43:08,798 --> 04:43:13,360
done, engineered building done,

6023
04:43:11,280 --> 04:43:15,840
foundation ready. Unfortunately, there

6024
04:43:13,360 --> 04:43:18,240
will be a few people that don't like

6025
04:43:15,840 --> 04:43:21,680
this decision. And yes, your your

6026
04:43:18,240 --> 04:43:24,718
opinions matter. However, you are few

6027
04:43:21,680 --> 04:43:26,878
and we are many that need Johnny B. He

6028
04:43:24,718 --> 04:43:29,280
is our mechanic. He keeps several

6029
04:43:26,878 --> 04:43:31,440
thousand people on on the road. He keeps

6030
04:43:29,280 --> 04:43:34,878
many businesses going with without him

6031
04:43:31,440 --> 04:43:39,400
the whole town suffers. Many businesses

6032
04:43:34,878 --> 04:43:39,400
excuse me, I'm talking.

6033
04:43:40,240 --> 04:43:43,920
There are many people that need Johnny

6034
04:43:41,680 --> 04:43:45,920
B. He is our mechanic. He keeps several

6035
04:43:43,920 --> 04:43:47,760
thousand people on the road. He keeps

6036
04:43:45,920 --> 04:43:50,080
bis many businesses going. Without him,

6037
04:43:47,760 --> 04:43:51,680
the whole town suffers. Many businesses

6038
04:43:50,080 --> 04:43:55,520
will suffer. The whole community will

6039
04:43:51,680 --> 04:43:57,520
suffer. Unfortunately, the few

6040
04:43:55,520 --> 04:43:59,760
for the few the greater good to for the

6041
04:43:57,520 --> 04:44:02,638
community is granting the extension.

6042
04:43:59,760 --> 04:44:04,878
Democracy says there's only one choice.

6043
04:44:02,638 --> 04:44:07,200
Logic says there is only one choice. So

6044
04:44:04,878 --> 04:44:09,360
the town council, you have one choice to

6045
04:44:07,200 --> 04:44:11,120
make. Approve the extension and the

6046
04:44:09,360 --> 04:44:13,040
extension should remain in place until

6047
04:44:11,120 --> 04:44:15,200
he has a permit and can move forward and

6048
04:44:13,040 --> 04:44:17,760
get back to his place on Highway 26

6049
04:44:15,200 --> 04:44:20,760
where everyone wants him to be. Thank

6050
04:44:17,760 --> 04:44:20,760
you.

6051
04:44:29,440 --> 04:44:34,718
Uh you uh Yes. Well, I did call you. Uh

6052
04:44:32,798 --> 04:44:39,160
but anyway,

6053
04:44:34,718 --> 04:44:39,160
» Yes. Okay. No, you go right ahead.

6054
04:44:45,200 --> 04:44:51,440
» Hi, I'm Kathy Wilcox. to live across the

6055
04:44:47,760 --> 04:44:53,280
road from Johnny Bees. So, my my

6056
04:44:51,440 --> 04:44:56,160
question is,

6057
04:44:53,280 --> 04:44:58,480
it was a three-year term. My question to

6058
04:44:56,160 --> 04:45:00,560
everybody here that hates our guts and

6059
04:44:58,480 --> 04:45:05,280
calls us horrible names and leaves dead

6060
04:45:00,560 --> 04:45:08,240
things in our uh mailboxes. Um, those

6061
04:45:05,280 --> 04:45:11,520
people, I'd like to ask when did it

6062
04:45:08,240 --> 04:45:14,958
become aware to Johnny that this meeting

6063
04:45:11,520 --> 04:45:16,638
was coming up? Last week or three years

6064
04:45:14,958 --> 04:45:19,440
ago? because he's had a lot of

6065
04:45:16,638 --> 04:45:22,878
opportunity to make some actions to

6066
04:45:19,440 --> 04:45:24,560
assist himself in that interim. He knew

6067
04:45:22,878 --> 04:45:26,000
these permits were being denied. Well,

6068
04:45:24,560 --> 04:45:28,480
what did he do a year ago when they were

6069
04:45:26,000 --> 04:45:32,320
being denied? Anything? No, he just

6070
04:45:28,480 --> 04:45:34,718
waited for today. Right.

6071
04:45:32,320 --> 04:45:38,638
So,

6072
04:45:34,718 --> 04:45:43,040
my my concerns are I see

6073
04:45:38,638 --> 04:45:46,560
um so many people walking up and down

6074
04:45:43,040 --> 04:45:48,160
the side road. Um

6075
04:45:46,560 --> 04:45:50,638
they're walking. They're they're coming

6076
04:45:48,160 --> 04:45:52,000
to a halt. There was there were people

6077
04:45:50,638 --> 04:45:54,878
three people on the road the other night

6078
04:45:52,000 --> 04:45:56,160
and a woman screaming at her children to

6079
04:45:54,878 --> 04:45:58,400
stop because they were coming and

6080
04:45:56,160 --> 04:46:00,240
someone's flying out of Johnny Bees. And

6081
04:45:58,400 --> 04:46:03,760
John, it's not you that's doing the

6082
04:46:00,240 --> 04:46:05,520
driving. I'm not saying that. But there

6083
04:46:03,760 --> 04:46:07,200
people are asking for respect. But what

6084
04:46:05,520 --> 04:46:08,798
about us?

6085
04:46:07,200 --> 04:46:11,040
What about any health issues that we

6086
04:46:08,798 --> 04:46:13,520
have? What about our what about our

6087
04:46:11,040 --> 04:46:16,798
hardships that we have? our health, our

6088
04:46:13,520 --> 04:46:18,718
finances, every like we don't feel hor

6089
04:46:16,798 --> 04:46:20,718
this is a horrible situation for

6090
04:46:18,718 --> 04:46:23,280
everyone to be in. And if you refer back

6091
04:46:20,718 --> 04:46:24,798
to three years ago, I said this and

6092
04:46:23,280 --> 04:46:28,320
stressed it that it was an is a

6093
04:46:24,798 --> 04:46:30,000
situation for council and it still is.

6094
04:46:28,320 --> 04:46:31,520
So, we're not here screwing around with

6095
04:46:30,000 --> 04:46:35,200
anybody. And we're not hoping somebody

6096
04:46:31,520 --> 04:46:38,480
does that to us, but there is dog

6097
04:46:35,200 --> 04:46:40,798
and and a dead bird left in my mailbox.

6098
04:46:38,480 --> 04:46:44,240
And my poor neighbor here with the most

6099
04:46:40,798 --> 04:46:46,480
recent spelling of C go back to Toronto

6100
04:46:44,240 --> 04:46:48,718
on a on a slip of paper that my husband

6101
04:46:46,480 --> 04:46:51,120
and I delivered to everybody's mailboxes

6102
04:46:48,718 --> 04:46:52,958
to say, "Come and help us out." because

6103
04:46:51,120 --> 04:46:56,878
there were walkers and joggers and

6104
04:46:52,958 --> 04:47:00,560
bikers and hikers and kids on um ATVs

6105
04:46:56,878 --> 04:47:03,200
and golf carts and I was almost struck

6106
04:47:00,560 --> 04:47:07,200
three times in front of my mailbox in

6107
04:47:03,200 --> 04:47:08,798
the same day right there. So, I don't

6108
04:47:07,200 --> 04:47:11,840
know what else to say. We're not trying

6109
04:47:08,798 --> 04:47:13,520
to pick on anyone and just like stop the

6110
04:47:11,840 --> 04:47:15,840
nonsense going on across the road from

6111
04:47:13,520 --> 04:47:17,520
us. This is horrible for all of us.

6112
04:47:15,840 --> 04:47:19,520
Everybody has health issues. Everybody

6113
04:47:17,520 --> 04:47:22,480
has their finances.

6114
04:47:19,520 --> 04:47:25,760
Nobody feels like anyone's being

6115
04:47:22,480 --> 04:47:28,080
horrible except I would say

6116
04:47:25,760 --> 04:47:29,920
the posi that showed up three years ago

6117
04:47:28,080 --> 04:47:32,638
and those of which the posi are here

6118
04:47:29,920 --> 04:47:34,560
again. Some of you know some of you are

6119
04:47:32,638 --> 04:47:37,120
great to deal with others it's just a

6120
04:47:34,560 --> 04:47:38,798
lynch mob and as the mayor said earlier

6121
04:47:37,120 --> 04:47:42,320
if it doesn't settle down it's going to

6122
04:47:38,798 --> 04:47:45,600
become that and I also am not afraid and

6123
04:47:42,320 --> 04:47:47,680
intimidated. So if you're going to pull

6124
04:47:45,600 --> 04:47:50,320
that nonsense, Lynn has and her husband

6125
04:47:47,680 --> 04:47:52,560
have my support as well as my husband's.

6126
04:47:50,320 --> 04:47:55,440
So we're on speed doll for each other.

6127
04:47:52,560 --> 04:47:58,958
Something happens, I'll be over. And so

6128
04:47:55,440 --> 04:48:01,760
my husband and our little itty bitty dog

6129
04:47:58,958 --> 04:48:04,240
who who now has to be fearful of a huge

6130
04:48:01,760 --> 04:48:06,240
Rottweiler that was across the road from

6131
04:48:04,240 --> 04:48:09,360
Johnny Bees the other night. And I don't

6132
04:48:06,240 --> 04:48:10,878
know why the man was there. I asked him

6133
04:48:09,360 --> 04:48:13,360
what he was getting paid because my

6134
04:48:10,878 --> 04:48:15,200
suspicions were he was hired as security

6135
04:48:13,360 --> 04:48:18,400
because I've never seen the man or that

6136
04:48:15,200 --> 04:48:21,840
dog ever before. So now there's OP

6137
04:48:18,400 --> 04:48:26,560
involve it. And and at the OP showed up

6138
04:48:21,840 --> 04:48:27,920
and said, "Oh, um um by the way, um you

6139
04:48:26,560 --> 04:48:30,080
told them you're not a police or you're

6140
04:48:27,920 --> 04:48:31,600
a police officer." Said, "Yes, I am."

6141
04:48:30,080 --> 04:48:34,320
Well, no, you're retired. I said, "No,

6142
04:48:31,600 --> 04:48:36,320
somehow I missed my party. So I am an

6143
04:48:34,320 --> 04:48:38,480
active officer. So, anybody in case you

6144
04:48:36,320 --> 04:48:41,040
need me at any point. So, I'll be there

6145
04:48:38,480 --> 04:48:44,000
to assist Lynn as well for any issues in

6146
04:48:41,040 --> 04:48:45,280
that regard. Um, and if she needs any

6147
04:48:44,000 --> 04:48:47,840
protection, I'll be there before

6148
04:48:45,280 --> 04:48:49,120
probably my brothers in blue show up.

6149
04:48:47,840 --> 04:48:51,840
But I don't know what else to say other

6150
04:48:49,120 --> 04:48:57,600
than John. I really feel bad for you. I

6151
04:48:51,840 --> 04:49:00,878
just really do. So, I thank you.

6152
04:48:57,600 --> 04:49:02,958
It's uh my uh duty to also inquire if

6153
04:49:00,878 --> 04:49:05,120
there's anyone who didn't pre-register

6154
04:49:02,958 --> 04:49:09,760
who would like to uh take the microphone

6155
04:49:05,120 --> 04:49:11,440
and uh uh state their views.

6156
04:49:09,760 --> 04:49:14,240
Go ahead.

6157
04:49:11,440 --> 04:49:15,280
» Please, please give us your name and

6158
04:49:14,240 --> 04:49:17,920
address. And

6159
04:49:15,280 --> 04:49:20,240
» Absolutely. Hi, my name is Tim Wallace.

6160
04:49:17,920 --> 04:49:23,600
Uh me and my beautiful wife moved here

6161
04:49:20,240 --> 04:49:26,080
recently uh about a year and a half ago

6162
04:49:23,600 --> 04:49:29,680
and we came under the worst thing

6163
04:49:26,080 --> 04:49:31,440
possible obviously car trouble and I

6164
04:49:29,680 --> 04:49:33,600
know there's a lot of tensions high. I

6165
04:49:31,440 --> 04:49:36,080
know a lot of people care and I think

6166
04:49:33,600 --> 04:49:37,920
there's a lot of passion and I think

6167
04:49:36,080 --> 04:49:41,680
there's passion because there's a good

6168
04:49:37,920 --> 04:49:44,480
man over here. There's a guy who is the

6169
04:49:41,680 --> 04:49:47,040
reason I've been able to work feed my

6170
04:49:44,480 --> 04:49:49,600
family. I've seen him put roofs over

6171
04:49:47,040 --> 04:49:52,080
people's houses. I've seen him jump

6172
04:49:49,600 --> 04:49:54,638
through hoops with you guys and with

6173
04:49:52,080 --> 04:49:56,240
everybody else. And it's always for the

6174
04:49:54,638 --> 04:50:00,638
good.

6175
04:49:56,240 --> 04:50:04,480
And so all I ask here is let's let's put

6176
04:50:00,638 --> 04:50:06,878
the shame aside. Let's let's put away

6177
04:50:04,480 --> 04:50:08,400
whatever we're holding in that has

6178
04:50:06,878 --> 04:50:11,280
stopped

6179
04:50:08,400 --> 04:50:13,200
whatever silly building permits stops a

6180
04:50:11,280 --> 04:50:15,040
man that does this much good for a

6181
04:50:13,200 --> 04:50:17,360
community.

6182
04:50:15,040 --> 04:50:20,798
I I can't believe paper gets in the way

6183
04:50:17,360 --> 04:50:23,360
of that. And I know there's some good

6184
04:50:20,798 --> 04:50:25,680
shops around,

6185
04:50:23,360 --> 04:50:27,520
but the amount of lengths he's gone

6186
04:50:25,680 --> 04:50:31,040
through in the trouble he's been

6187
04:50:27,520 --> 04:50:33,040
through, I I couldn't ask more. Please,

6188
04:50:31,040 --> 04:50:36,400
please give him his permits. Please let

6189
04:50:33,040 --> 04:50:40,680
him keep working cuz it's

6190
04:50:36,400 --> 04:50:40,680
people around here trying to get by.

6191
04:50:45,600 --> 04:50:49,760
What I what I can say is that this

6192
04:50:47,600 --> 04:50:52,638
meeting is not about his permit. It is

6193
04:50:49,760 --> 04:50:56,958
about uh the application uh to extend

6194
04:50:52,638 --> 04:51:00,080
the uh the uh use of the uh the land.

6195
04:50:56,958 --> 04:51:02,718
But I I will ask CIO ever, do you wish

6196
04:51:00,080 --> 04:51:04,718
to respond to the concerns about the

6197
04:51:02,718 --> 04:51:06,480
permit at all? Is there anything you can

6198
04:51:04,718 --> 04:51:08,958
say tonight?

6199
04:51:06,480 --> 04:51:10,878
» Uh through you, Mr. Mayor. Um, as far as

6200
04:51:08,958 --> 04:51:12,718
the permit, I believe that that is with

6201
04:51:10,878 --> 04:51:14,878
the uh the planning department as well

6202
04:51:12,718 --> 04:51:16,798
as the building department. Um, and that

6203
04:51:14,878 --> 04:51:18,718
process is underway and has been for

6204
04:51:16,798 --> 04:51:20,638
quite some time. So,

6205
04:51:18,718 --> 04:51:24,878
» Okay.

6206
04:51:20,638 --> 04:51:28,400
Uh, I have to ask um council if uh you

6207
04:51:24,878 --> 04:51:32,000
have any questions uh for anyone.

6208
04:51:28,400 --> 04:51:33,280
Sorry. Oh, did you do you wish to speak?

6209
04:51:32,000 --> 04:51:35,200
» I I do.

6210
04:51:33,280 --> 04:51:36,878
» Please go ahead. Please go ahead. I'm

6211
04:51:35,200 --> 04:51:38,718
sorry. I I thought I had everyone who

6212
04:51:36,878 --> 04:51:40,160
had registered or and asked for anyone

6213
04:51:38,718 --> 04:51:42,878
who hadn't.

6214
04:51:40,160 --> 04:51:45,200
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council. My

6215
04:51:42,878 --> 04:51:49,200
name is John Greer. I'm a former

6216
04:51:45,200 --> 04:51:51,680
resident of Neford. Uh several people in

6217
04:51:49,200 --> 04:51:56,080
the chamber here know me. I've known me

6218
04:51:51,680 --> 04:52:01,120
since my family moved here in 2016.

6219
04:51:56,080 --> 04:52:03,440
Um, I I have to say that I'm a car guy

6220
04:52:01,120 --> 04:52:06,320
and people come to me for guidance and

6221
04:52:03,440 --> 04:52:10,000
advice, including my family and friends.

6222
04:52:06,320 --> 04:52:13,680
Um, I have recommended and people have

6223
04:52:10,000 --> 04:52:16,160
come and had service performed at the

6224
04:52:13,680 --> 04:52:17,760
former location and also at the current

6225
04:52:16,160 --> 04:52:22,718
location

6226
04:52:17,760 --> 04:52:26,480
and they come from downtown Toronto to

6227
04:52:22,718 --> 04:52:30,798
get work done here. There is a reason

6228
04:52:26,480 --> 04:52:33,840
why after having the tragic loss of that

6229
04:52:30,798 --> 04:52:39,040
facility that people continue to seek

6230
04:52:33,840 --> 04:52:41,520
out Johnny B and his cadre of mechanics

6231
04:52:39,040 --> 04:52:45,040
and it's because there's tremendous

6232
04:52:41,520 --> 04:52:48,240
value but there's also someone mentioned

6233
04:52:45,040 --> 04:52:51,280
it a sense of urgency.

6234
04:52:48,240 --> 04:52:53,760
As I sat here and listened, I thought

6235
04:52:51,280 --> 04:52:57,200
about what my wife experienced in

6236
04:52:53,760 --> 04:53:00,080
December. Ice storm,

6237
04:52:57,200 --> 04:53:01,760
an infant, a four-year-old, our

6238
04:53:00,080 --> 04:53:05,680
daughter,

6239
04:53:01,760 --> 04:53:08,718
and my wife in her vehicle, and the

6240
04:53:05,680 --> 04:53:10,798
driver's window goes down and won't go

6241
04:53:08,718 --> 04:53:14,798
back up.

6242
04:53:10,798 --> 04:53:18,400
on the way to the airport.

6243
04:53:14,798 --> 04:53:23,280
Imagine her horror having to deal with

6244
04:53:18,400 --> 04:53:25,360
that. And the infant was 4 months old.

6245
04:53:23,280 --> 04:53:27,440
Turn around.

6246
04:53:25,360 --> 04:53:30,718
Go to Jollibee's.

6247
04:53:27,440 --> 04:53:33,760
He stopped everything he was doing.

6248
04:53:30,718 --> 04:53:37,200
Disassembled the door. Took the window

6249
04:53:33,760 --> 04:53:41,200
out. Broken cables inside. clamped it

6250
04:53:37,200 --> 04:53:43,520
all in with uh a pair of vice grips and

6251
04:53:41,200 --> 04:53:48,638
in less than 20 minutes my wife is on

6252
04:53:43,520 --> 04:53:52,080
her way and still adept.

6253
04:53:48,638 --> 04:53:54,798
I support the business regardless of

6254
04:53:52,080 --> 04:53:57,120
where it's located. I'd love to see him

6255
04:53:54,798 --> 04:54:00,320
be able to pursue the growth of the

6256
04:53:57,120 --> 04:54:02,638
business. But I have to tell you, if you

6257
04:54:00,320 --> 04:54:05,280
don't already know,

6258
04:54:02,638 --> 04:54:08,958
the service he provides, like many other

6259
04:54:05,280 --> 04:54:14,160
services in the town of Meford,

6260
04:54:08,958 --> 04:54:16,878
it's a metaphor for why I came here.

6261
04:54:14,160 --> 04:54:19,680
This is a fabulous community and I hope

6262
04:54:16,878 --> 04:54:23,360
you make a decision to continue to

6263
04:54:19,680 --> 04:54:25,120
support a business like John's. And

6264
04:54:23,360 --> 04:54:29,040
while I'm here, I want to say

6265
04:54:25,120 --> 04:54:32,000
congratulations to you on making that

6266
04:54:29,040 --> 04:54:34,718
new newly renovated park down by the

6267
04:54:32,000 --> 04:54:36,638
harbor. You've got some really happy

6268
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:39,200
campers down there. That's a great

6269
04:54:36,638 --> 04:54:40,878
decision to do that. So, good on you.

6270
04:54:39,200 --> 04:54:42,240
» Could Could we get your name before you

6271
04:54:40,878 --> 04:54:42,878
leave the microphone? I don't think we

6272
04:54:42,240 --> 04:54:44,718
got it there.

6273
04:54:42,878 --> 04:54:46,480
» John Greer. Oh, yeah. I live in

6274
04:54:44,718 --> 04:54:50,600
Thornbury now.

6275
04:54:46,480 --> 04:54:50,600
» Thank you, John. Thank you.

6276
04:54:53,280 --> 04:54:58,840
So, members of council, do you have

6277
04:54:55,200 --> 04:54:58,840
questions of anyone?

6278
04:54:59,280 --> 04:55:04,240
» Oh, okay.

6279
04:55:01,280 --> 04:55:06,638
» I'll be I'll be

6280
04:55:04,240 --> 04:55:08,480
» Um I'm Andrea Wallace. That would be

6281
04:55:06,638 --> 04:55:11,840
wife to Timothy Wallace that spoke

6282
04:55:08,480 --> 04:55:13,600
earlier. We are fairly new to me, so a

6283
04:55:11,840 --> 04:55:17,440
lot of the hubbhub we haven't heard

6284
04:55:13,600 --> 04:55:20,718
about and just coming into it now. Um, I

6285
04:55:17,440 --> 04:55:22,638
wanted to speak to you on my side of

6286
04:55:20,718 --> 04:55:25,760
things where really I just stay at home

6287
04:55:22,638 --> 04:55:28,400
with the kids, but very much my vehicle

6288
04:55:25,760 --> 04:55:32,000
is almost like a third person in my

6289
04:55:28,400 --> 04:55:35,360
marriage. If that vehicle isn't working,

6290
04:55:32,000 --> 04:55:37,440
my family with my three kids can't be

6291
04:55:35,360 --> 04:55:39,040
successful. I really can't do what I

6292
04:55:37,440 --> 04:55:41,360
need to do with them at home if he is

6293
04:55:39,040 --> 04:55:45,120
not providing financially what I need to

6294
04:55:41,360 --> 04:55:47,520
do it. Um, not only that, we have had so

6295
04:55:45,120 --> 04:55:49,920
many vehicle troubles, countless since

6296
04:55:47,520 --> 04:55:52,480
we've been here. And the effect that

6297
04:55:49,920 --> 04:55:55,360
that has on my family

6298
04:55:52,480 --> 04:55:57,120
and our like not only financially, but

6299
04:55:55,360 --> 04:55:58,320
our mindset when our vehicle isn't

6300
04:55:57,120 --> 04:56:01,040
working, knowing that we're going to

6301
04:55:58,320 --> 04:56:02,400
struggle to provide is something that if

6302
04:56:01,040 --> 04:56:06,080
you haven't gone through it, I can't

6303
04:56:02,400 --> 04:56:08,160
explain to you. It is terrifying. But

6304
04:56:06,080 --> 04:56:09,920
one thing that has been saving during

6305
04:56:08,160 --> 04:56:12,080
all of that is the relationship that my

6306
04:56:09,920 --> 04:56:15,840
husband built with Johnny Bees in such a

6307
04:56:12,080 --> 04:56:17,600
short period of time. Um, he is able to

6308
04:56:15,840 --> 04:56:19,760
take his vehicle there. He is able to

6309
04:56:17,600 --> 04:56:22,480
get peace of mind even without getting

6310
04:56:19,760 --> 04:56:24,718
his vehicle fixed that day and be able

6311
04:56:22,480 --> 04:56:27,040
to come home and have a successful night

6312
04:56:24,718 --> 04:56:28,798
with the family. That is so so so

6313
04:56:27,040 --> 04:56:31,200
important to me. If that is gone, if

6314
04:56:28,798 --> 04:56:34,240
that is lost, I will not have that. I

6315
04:56:31,200 --> 04:56:36,798
might have to consider leaving. In terms

6316
04:56:34,240 --> 04:56:38,878
of the res residence, I am a mom at home

6317
04:56:36,798 --> 04:56:40,958
with my kids all day. I can only imagine

6318
04:56:38,878 --> 04:56:44,480
how annoying that can be for you. I

6319
04:56:40,958 --> 04:56:47,200
think that the best force of all of that

6320
04:56:44,480 --> 04:56:49,840
anger and all of that ability that you

6321
04:56:47,200 --> 04:56:51,920
guys have down that on that street

6322
04:56:49,840 --> 04:56:53,600
should be put into putting him where he

6323
04:56:51,920 --> 04:56:56,080
wants to be and where you don't want him

6324
04:56:53,600 --> 04:56:57,440
to be. Nobody wants him to be there. I

6325
04:56:56,080 --> 04:56:59,840
don't care personally because I don't

6326
04:56:57,440 --> 04:57:02,480
live there, but I can understand how

6327
04:56:59,840 --> 04:57:05,600
that can really, really affect you. And

6328
04:57:02,480 --> 04:57:08,080
I see how much power is down on that

6329
04:57:05,600 --> 04:57:11,440
street to make change happen. I think if

6330
04:57:08,080 --> 04:57:15,520
you can think realistically

6331
04:57:11,440 --> 04:57:19,440
a little peaceful that maybe together

6332
04:57:15,520 --> 04:57:21,520
something better can happen. Um, while

6333
04:57:19,440 --> 04:57:22,798
you're thinking about that, obviously

6334
04:57:21,520 --> 04:57:26,798
you guys are all going to get really

6335
04:57:22,798 --> 04:57:28,000
really angry at uh 10 cars being above,

6336
04:57:26,798 --> 04:57:30,080
but think about [clears throat] it from

6337
04:57:28,000 --> 04:57:31,600
again a realistic standpoint. That is

6338
04:57:30,080 --> 04:57:33,760
not possible. When was the last time you

6339
04:57:31,600 --> 04:57:36,718
went to a successful auto shop with less

6340
04:57:33,760 --> 04:57:39,760
than 10 cars there?

6341
04:57:36,718 --> 04:57:42,080
» The restriction went.

6342
04:57:39,760 --> 04:57:44,000
» I appreciate you for that comment. Thank

6343
04:57:42,080 --> 04:57:48,878
you again. We would still have that

6344
04:57:44,000 --> 04:57:50,718
fight if there were 11 there. So again,

6345
04:57:48,878 --> 04:57:52,958
I applaud their success and their

6346
04:57:50,718 --> 04:57:55,120
ability to have those cars. I know that

6347
04:57:52,958 --> 04:57:57,840
some of the parts that have come from my

6348
04:57:55,120 --> 04:58:00,080
car at cheaper rates have been from some

6349
04:57:57,840 --> 04:58:02,480
of those sitting cars and I appreciate

6350
04:58:00,080 --> 04:58:04,878
that because those rates are coming out

6351
04:58:02,480 --> 04:58:07,280
at a price that I I can afford anything

6352
04:58:04,878 --> 04:58:11,680
else. I cannot afford it. I cannot I

6353
04:58:07,280 --> 04:58:14,320
cannot survive. So please let Johnny be

6354
04:58:11,680 --> 04:58:17,120
stay. And I think someone mentioned

6355
04:58:14,320 --> 04:58:19,120
before, let him stay and continue the

6356
04:58:17,120 --> 04:58:22,480
fight to go back. That's what he's

6357
04:58:19,120 --> 04:58:26,000
trying to do. He's not fighting to stay.

6358
04:58:22,480 --> 04:58:30,638
Let him stay so he can continue to fight

6359
04:58:26,000 --> 04:58:32,240
to go back and be out of your hair. And

6360
04:58:30,638 --> 04:58:33,760
I'm sorry that the people are putting

6361
04:58:32,240 --> 04:58:36,480
things in your mailbox. We all know

6362
04:58:33,760 --> 04:58:38,718
that's not John Lee's. I would hate for

6363
04:58:36,480 --> 04:58:41,520
people to be upset about things that if

6364
04:58:38,718 --> 04:58:44,080
I was I run a small day home, so I've

6365
04:58:41,520 --> 04:58:46,160
got kids running through. If those kids

6366
04:58:44,080 --> 04:58:48,798
in my care were doing terrible, terrible

6367
04:58:46,160 --> 04:58:51,200
things, I would hate to be held

6368
04:58:48,798 --> 04:58:52,638
personally accountable for it.

6369
04:58:51,200 --> 04:58:53,040
» Can we just get your name for the

6370
04:58:52,638 --> 04:58:54,878
record?

6371
04:58:53,040 --> 04:58:55,360
» Oh, Andrea. Andrea Wallace.

6372
04:58:54,878 --> 04:58:56,718
» Okay. Thank you.

6373
04:58:55,360 --> 04:58:59,878
» Andrea Wallace.

6374
04:58:56,718 --> 04:58:59,878
» Thank you.

6375
04:59:03,360 --> 04:59:06,638
So, we're just a few minutes away from

6376
04:59:05,120 --> 04:59:08,480
six o'clock. So, I'm going to ask, is

6377
04:59:06,638 --> 04:59:13,600
there anyone else in the gallery that

6378
04:59:08,480 --> 04:59:16,638
would like to speak to the uh matter?

6379
04:59:13,600 --> 04:59:19,200
speak now or forever hold your peace.

6380
04:59:16,638 --> 04:59:22,240
Uh, okay. Uh, council, uh, do we have

6381
04:59:19,200 --> 04:59:24,000
questions? Uh, deputy mayor.

6382
04:59:22,240 --> 04:59:25,760
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I do have a

6383
04:59:24,000 --> 04:59:28,240
question and I I will get to it, but I

6384
04:59:25,760 --> 04:59:30,718
just want to start by thanking everyone

6385
04:59:28,240 --> 04:59:33,920
for being here. I know this is a very

6386
04:59:30,718 --> 04:59:35,680
emotional issue and as council we are

6387
04:59:33,920 --> 04:59:37,840
grateful to hear all of your comments

6388
04:59:35,680 --> 04:59:40,798
and to allow us to have that information

6389
04:59:37,840 --> 04:59:43,760
as we go forward with a decision on this

6390
04:59:40,798 --> 04:59:46,160
extension. But I think I can speak for

6391
04:59:43,760 --> 04:59:48,560
all of us in saying that May 25th, 3

6392
04:59:46,160 --> 04:59:50,798
years ago, was a devastating day in this

6393
04:59:48,560 --> 04:59:53,920
community when that fire happened. It

6394
04:59:50,798 --> 04:59:55,920
was it was horrible and everybody's

6395
04:59:53,920 --> 04:59:58,718
heart went out to John and his family

6396
04:59:55,920 --> 05:00:00,718
and and it was just an awful thing that

6397
04:59:58,718 --> 05:00:02,400
happened and and the people that were

6398
05:00:00,718 --> 05:00:04,080
working in the shop and depended on the

6399
05:00:02,400 --> 05:00:05,760
shop for their livelihoods and the

6400
05:00:04,080 --> 05:00:08,480
people whose cars were there and lost

6401
05:00:05,760 --> 05:00:10,638
their cars and and just so many terrible

6402
05:00:08,480 --> 05:00:12,718
things that were a result of that fire.

6403
05:00:10,638 --> 05:00:14,638
So, just know [clears throat] that that

6404
05:00:12,718 --> 05:00:18,160
is a day that will never be forgotten in

6405
05:00:14,638 --> 05:00:20,080
this community. But I just um wanted to

6406
05:00:18,160 --> 05:00:23,680
come back and ask John a question if I

6407
05:00:20,080 --> 05:00:25,600
may, Mr. Mayor. Um John, you mentioned

6408
05:00:23,680 --> 05:00:26,718
Would you Is it okay if I ask John to

6409
05:00:25,600 --> 05:00:27,520
come back to the podium?

6410
05:00:26,718 --> 05:00:30,520
» Yes.

6411
05:00:27,520 --> 05:00:30,520
» Yes.

6412
05:00:33,600 --> 05:00:37,600
Thank you, John. Um when you first

6413
05:00:35,760 --> 05:00:39,120
spoke, you mentioned about buying a

6414
05:00:37,600 --> 05:00:40,958
property in Owens Sound.

6415
05:00:39,120 --> 05:00:43,360
» Yes. And I'm wondering if you could give

6416
05:00:40,958 --> 05:00:46,080
council and everyone present a little

6417
05:00:43,360 --> 05:00:47,760
bit more clarity about because we we've

6418
05:00:46,080 --> 05:00:50,080
heard about the number of cars on the

6419
05:00:47,760 --> 05:00:52,400
lot and we understand that that is a

6420
05:00:50,080 --> 05:00:55,120
concern for the for the neighbors. Can

6421
05:00:52,400 --> 05:00:56,878
you share with us in your mind as you

6422
05:00:55,120 --> 05:00:59,120
work through the process of moving a

6423
05:00:56,878 --> 05:01:01,360
piece of your business to Owens Sound

6424
05:00:59,120 --> 05:01:03,440
what impact that is likely to have on

6425
05:01:01,360 --> 05:01:05,360
the number of cars remaining on your lot

6426
05:01:03,440 --> 05:01:07,440
going forward?

6427
05:01:05,360 --> 05:01:11,840
» Um yes, we purchased the property in

6428
05:01:07,440 --> 05:01:13,760
Owens Sound. Um therefore we can um the

6429
05:01:11,840 --> 05:01:15,280
idea was to get our business back up and

6430
05:01:13,760 --> 05:01:18,000
running maybe closer to its full

6431
05:01:15,280 --> 05:01:21,680
potential and not um have backlog here

6432
05:01:18,000 --> 05:01:24,080
at the shop in Weepford. Um

6433
05:01:21,680 --> 05:01:25,520
it's the only way to you know really try

6434
05:01:24,080 --> 05:01:26,878
to deal with things we you know to some

6435
05:01:25,520 --> 05:01:28,400
of the vehicles that we need to work on.

6436
05:01:26,878 --> 05:01:30,638
It's tough to do in the shop that we're

6437
05:01:28,400 --> 05:01:32,480
at now and you know I mean customers

6438
05:01:30,638 --> 05:01:35,040
have been very patient this and that and

6439
05:01:32,480 --> 05:01:36,958
all those vehicles there aren't mine. Um

6440
05:01:35,040 --> 05:01:38,798
some of them are related to the farm

6441
05:01:36,958 --> 05:01:40,400
that's there. this and that. So, you

6442
05:01:38,798 --> 05:01:43,040
know, there's there's a few vehicles,

6443
05:01:40,400 --> 05:01:45,200
whatever, but probably a fair a fair

6444
05:01:43,040 --> 05:01:47,280
amount uh we're thinking probably like,

6445
05:01:45,200 --> 05:01:50,680
you know, maybe 50% of it is going to go

6446
05:01:47,280 --> 05:01:50,680
to sound.

6447
05:01:50,718 --> 05:01:54,320
You know, we have employees there.

6448
05:01:52,240 --> 05:01:55,840
That's a six bay shop there. Um we'll be

6449
05:01:54,320 --> 05:01:57,760
able to do the turnaround times a lot

6450
05:01:55,840 --> 05:01:59,120
better there than we can here. Um and

6451
05:01:57,760 --> 05:02:00,638
that was the whole idea behind it, just

6452
05:01:59,120 --> 05:02:02,718
so we can service our customers a little

6453
05:02:00,638 --> 05:02:04,240
bit better. And we have quite a few

6454
05:02:02,718 --> 05:02:05,440
customers that are kind of living over

6455
05:02:04,240 --> 05:02:06,718
that way and they're ecstatic about

6456
05:02:05,440 --> 05:02:09,360
that. They don't have to come so far

6457
05:02:06,718 --> 05:02:10,958
now. So, it's good.

6458
05:02:09,360 --> 05:02:12,878
Yeah, we're just in the process of

6459
05:02:10,958 --> 05:02:14,878
fixing that that place up and giving it

6460
05:02:12,878 --> 05:02:16,160
a nice facelift and uh you know, we're

6461
05:02:14,878 --> 05:02:19,680
doing a lot. It's going to look really

6462
05:02:16,160 --> 05:02:21,520
good and uh yeah, we'll be able to carry

6463
05:02:19,680 --> 05:02:26,080
uh carry a fair chunk of the business

6464
05:02:21,520 --> 05:02:28,240
over there. Okay. Councelor Yuri,

6465
05:02:26,080 --> 05:02:30,240
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll echo Deputy

6466
05:02:28,240 --> 05:02:33,600
Mayor and thank everyone for coming out.

6467
05:02:30,240 --> 05:02:37,440
Obviously, contentious issues

6468
05:02:33,600 --> 05:02:40,000
bring emotions and not not a lot of fun.

6469
05:02:37,440 --> 05:02:44,718
So, just a question and a comment. The

6470
05:02:40,000 --> 05:02:45,920
question is, so if permits were go, you

6471
05:02:44,718 --> 05:02:49,200
were ready to go. Yeah.

6472
05:02:45,920 --> 05:02:52,000
» How long would it take you to actually

6473
05:02:49,200 --> 05:02:52,878
be back in your old location?

6474
05:02:52,000 --> 05:02:53,840
» One year.

6475
05:02:52,878 --> 05:02:55,920
» It would take you one year

6476
05:02:53,840 --> 05:02:57,680
» To build it. Maybe a little less.

6477
05:02:55,920 --> 05:02:59,040
» Okay. Thank you. All my contractors have

6478
05:02:57,680 --> 05:03:01,600
been very good. They're ready to rock

6479
05:02:59,040 --> 05:03:02,878
and roll and they said they'll work

6480
05:03:01,600 --> 05:03:04,718
exceptionally hard. I mean, the

6481
05:03:02,878 --> 05:03:07,280
foundation's in that that that part was

6482
05:03:04,718 --> 05:03:08,718
the hard part. Um, that's in there. The

6483
05:03:07,280 --> 05:03:10,240
metal building's ready. Everything's

6484
05:03:08,718 --> 05:03:11,200
ready. If we get the go-ahad, it could

6485
05:03:10,240 --> 05:03:14,798
happen very quick.

6486
05:03:11,200 --> 05:03:16,400
» Good. And I just the comment is I just

6487
05:03:14,798 --> 05:03:18,560
I'm sorry if there's any reflection on

6488
05:03:16,400 --> 05:03:20,320
you sort of some of the stuff that's

6489
05:03:18,560 --> 05:03:23,600
happening that's super superfluous

6490
05:03:20,320 --> 05:03:24,958
because any h any and and again people

6491
05:03:23,600 --> 05:03:27,120
could disagree, but there shouldn't be

6492
05:03:24,958 --> 05:03:29,840
the harassment. There shouldn't be

6493
05:03:27,120 --> 05:03:31,760
literally things happening that sound

6494
05:03:29,840 --> 05:03:34,320
like they're happening. And I know it's

6495
05:03:31,760 --> 05:03:36,080
not you. And I I hope that people can be

6496
05:03:34,320 --> 05:03:38,080
a little bit more respectful cuz we all

6497
05:03:36,080 --> 05:03:40,080
want to see you get back to where you

6498
05:03:38,080 --> 05:03:43,120
should be. And there are ways to do that

6499
05:03:40,080 --> 05:03:45,280
without um being less than professional.

6500
05:03:43,120 --> 05:03:46,718
» Yep. 100%. No, we always try to be 100%

6501
05:03:45,280 --> 05:03:49,120
professional. I tell my staff to do that

6502
05:03:46,718 --> 05:03:53,360
as well. And um that's all I can ask

6503
05:03:49,120 --> 05:03:58,718
for. Thank you very much. Anyone else on

6504
05:03:53,360 --> 05:04:00,958
council wish to ask John anything?

6505
05:03:58,718 --> 05:04:04,080
» Okay. Well, uh, thank you again, John.

6506
05:04:00,958 --> 05:04:05,680
» Thank you. Um,

6507
05:04:04,080 --> 05:04:07,360
» I want to thank everyone for attending

6508
05:04:05,680 --> 05:04:09,840
this meeting and sharing your thoughts

6509
05:04:07,360 --> 05:04:11,680
on this application. This matter will

6510
05:04:09,840 --> 05:04:14,480
now be referred back to development

6511
05:04:11,680 --> 05:04:16,400
services to follow up on any additional

6512
05:04:14,480 --> 05:04:18,240
information required from the applicant

6513
05:04:16,400 --> 05:04:19,600
based on the matters that were raised

6514
05:04:18,240 --> 05:04:21,680
tonight.

6515
05:04:19,600 --> 05:04:23,760
Once staff are satisfied that they have

6516
05:04:21,680 --> 05:04:25,280
all the necessary information needed to

6517
05:04:23,760 --> 05:04:27,840
provide a recommendation on the

6518
05:04:25,280 --> 05:04:29,520
applications, a detailed planning report

6519
05:04:27,840 --> 05:04:31,920
will be brought back to council to

6520
05:04:29,520 --> 05:04:34,000
assist us in our decision-making. This

6521
05:04:31,920 --> 05:04:37,040
report will evaluate how the proposal

6522
05:04:34,000 --> 05:04:39,680
does or does not satisfy the provincial,

6523
05:04:37,040 --> 05:04:41,760
county, and municipal policies that must

6524
05:04:39,680 --> 05:04:44,240
be considered as part of council's

6525
05:04:41,760 --> 05:04:46,560
decision. It will also explore the

6526
05:04:44,240 --> 05:04:48,638
various public and agency comments

6527
05:04:46,560 --> 05:04:50,718
received regarding the application.

6528
05:04:48,638 --> 05:04:52,878
noting those tools which may be applied

6529
05:04:50,718 --> 05:04:55,280
in order to address concerns raised and

6530
05:04:52,878 --> 05:04:57,760
to mitigate potential impacts on nearby

6531
05:04:55,280 --> 05:04:59,840
properties.

6532
05:04:57,760 --> 05:05:02,080
And I just want to remind you if you

6533
05:04:59,840 --> 05:05:04,638
would like to receive notice uh of a

6534
05:05:02,080 --> 05:05:07,040
future decision on this file, please

6535
05:05:04,638 --> 05:05:10,160
provide your uh contact information to

6536
05:05:07,040 --> 05:05:13,520
the planning services division by email

6537
05:05:10,160 --> 05:05:17,600
and the address is planning meford.ca.

6538
05:05:13,520 --> 05:05:20,080
That's all lowercase planning meford.ca.

6539
05:05:17,600 --> 05:05:22,718
And with that, again, thank you for your

6540
05:05:20,080 --> 05:05:25,200
attendance. Thank you for uh allowing us

6541
05:05:22,718 --> 05:05:29,080
to have a a civil conversation. And I'll

6542
05:05:25,200 --> 05:05:29,080
declare this meeting adjourned.

6543
05:17:27,440 --> 05:17:33,200
Well, good evening everyone. We're uh

6544
05:17:29,680 --> 05:17:35,520
back in session. Uh we had our 5:00 uh

6545
05:17:33,200 --> 05:17:38,638
public planning meeting with an

6546
05:17:35,520 --> 05:17:41,120
absolutely uh packed gallery and uh

6547
05:17:38,638 --> 05:17:44,560
we've concluded that and uh so we're

6548
05:17:41,120 --> 05:17:48,000
going to resume um our council meeting

6549
05:17:44,560 --> 05:17:50,638
and uh finish it.

6550
05:17:48,000 --> 05:17:52,480
But first I have to

6551
05:17:50,638 --> 05:17:55,718
find where we left off. So just give me

6552
05:17:52,480 --> 05:17:55,718
one second.

6553
05:18:08,160 --> 05:18:14,160
So uh on the agenda we are on uh item 11

6554
05:18:11,840 --> 05:18:17,520
councelor motions. Is there any notice

6555
05:18:14,160 --> 05:18:20,638
of motion tonight?

6556
05:18:17,520 --> 05:18:24,560
Uh okay as uh we have one motion for

6557
05:18:20,638 --> 05:18:27,280
decision and uh it's h by councelor

6558
05:18:24,560 --> 05:18:30,440
Greenfield. Would you like to uh present

6559
05:18:27,280 --> 05:18:30,440
your motion?

6560
05:18:40,718 --> 05:18:46,798
» All right. Yes, your worship. Thank you.

6561
05:18:43,440 --> 05:18:48,638
I would like to move the motion.

6562
05:18:46,798 --> 05:18:50,560
» Yeah. And so if you read it and we'll

6563
05:18:48,638 --> 05:18:55,000
get a second for it. Is that all right?

6564
05:18:50,560 --> 05:18:55,000
Is that the order of uh

6565
05:19:00,080 --> 05:19:05,600
» Yes.

6566
05:19:01,760 --> 05:19:07,440
Yes. I I will move it, but I can't

6567
05:19:05,600 --> 05:19:07,840
present it until I get a secondary. Can

6568
05:19:07,440 --> 05:19:09,600
I?

6569
05:19:07,840 --> 05:19:11,840
» No, I think you can present it and then

6570
05:19:09,600 --> 05:19:14,320
we get a second for further motion.

6571
05:19:11,840 --> 05:19:15,360
Nobody may second it.

6572
05:19:14,320 --> 05:19:18,878
So,

6573
05:19:15,360 --> 05:19:21,280
» Thank uh yes. Uh I'll read it. Uh the

6574
05:19:18,878 --> 05:19:24,000
worship. Um

6575
05:19:21,280 --> 05:19:26,160
uh whereas the council of Miss Pyford

6576
05:19:24,000 --> 05:19:29,920
appreciate the presentation of June

6577
05:19:26,160 --> 05:19:32,798
22nd, 2026 by the Escarment Corridor

6578
05:19:29,920 --> 05:19:34,958
Alliance and the suggestions expressed.

6579
05:19:32,798 --> 05:19:37,840
Therefore, be it resolved that council

6580
05:19:34,958 --> 05:19:40,958
recognizes the importance of broad

6581
05:19:37,840 --> 05:19:43,360
ecological connectivity

6582
05:19:40,958 --> 05:19:45,840
as a foundation of resilient growth,

6583
05:19:43,360 --> 05:19:48,798
ecosystem services, and climate

6584
05:19:45,840 --> 05:19:51,440
resilience. And the council acknowledges

6585
05:19:48,798 --> 05:19:54,400
that land within the municipality

6586
05:19:51,440 --> 05:19:57,280
form part of an emerging and connected

6587
05:19:54,400 --> 05:20:00,718
ecological corridor across the southern

6588
05:19:57,280 --> 05:20:04,160
Georgia Bay region and that the

6589
05:20:00,718 --> 05:20:06,638
municipality continue to promote natural

6590
05:20:04,160 --> 05:20:08,718
heritage preservation

6591
05:20:06,638 --> 05:20:11,920
and protect the municipality's

6592
05:20:08,718 --> 05:20:15,680
ecological systems through its decisions

6593
05:20:11,920 --> 05:20:18,320
on land use, conservation, development

6594
05:20:15,680 --> 05:20:21,200
and infrastructure. ure matters in

6595
05:20:18,320 --> 05:20:23,760
accordance with our own mefort official

6596
05:20:21,200 --> 05:20:27,120
plan.

6597
05:20:23,760 --> 05:20:29,280
» Is there a second for the motion? Uh,

6598
05:20:27,120 --> 05:20:31,520
councelor Yuring. Thank you.

6599
05:20:29,280 --> 05:20:33,040
» U, do you want to speak to it? Uh,

6600
05:20:31,520 --> 05:20:35,680
councelor Greenfield.

6601
05:20:33,040 --> 05:20:38,160
» Well, thanks. Uh,

6602
05:20:35,680 --> 05:20:41,600
hopefully it's fairly self-explanatory.

6603
05:20:38,160 --> 05:20:44,718
Um, I just want to mention that people

6604
05:20:41,600 --> 05:20:47,120
who live here, whether they've been here

6605
05:20:44,718 --> 05:20:51,040
for a long time or a short time, uh,

6606
05:20:47,120 --> 05:20:53,760
visitors, uh, uh, regardless often say

6607
05:20:51,040 --> 05:20:56,798
they're attracted by our natural

6608
05:20:53,760 --> 05:21:01,120
surroundings, our natural beauty. uh

6609
05:20:56,798 --> 05:21:03,680
Georgia Bay, the uh many hills, valleys,

6610
05:21:01,120 --> 05:21:05,440
and uh many of the hills in our

6611
05:21:03,680 --> 05:21:08,878
municipality

6612
05:21:05,440 --> 05:21:10,638
are shaped around uh the Niagara

6613
05:21:08,878 --> 05:21:14,000
Escarment.

6614
05:21:10,638 --> 05:21:16,560
I uh I didn't realize that the Niagara

6615
05:21:14,000 --> 05:21:20,800
scarment starts near Rochester, New

6616
05:21:16,560 --> 05:21:21,520
York, and goes up through Ontario,

6617
05:21:20,800 --> 05:21:25,200
[clears throat]

6618
05:21:21,520 --> 05:21:27,040
dips down below the water at Tuba Murray

6619
05:21:25,200 --> 05:21:29,600
at the end of the Bruce, and then comes

6620
05:21:27,040 --> 05:21:31,840
up again, goes across Manatulan Island

6621
05:21:29,600 --> 05:21:35,520
to Sue St.

6622
05:21:31,840 --> 05:21:37,840
goes westward through northern Michigan

6623
05:21:35,520 --> 05:21:40,878
and then [clears throat]

6624
05:21:37,840 --> 05:21:44,240
starts to cut back down south near Green

6625
05:21:40,878 --> 05:21:46,958
Bay, Wisconsin. It actually terminates

6626
05:21:44,240 --> 05:21:50,560
not that far north of the city of

6627
05:21:46,958 --> 05:21:54,718
Chicago. So, it's a it it's quite a

6628
05:21:50,560 --> 05:21:57,520
quite a structure. Um I it's been with

6629
05:21:54,718 --> 05:22:00,560
us for over 400 and some million years

6630
05:21:57,520 --> 05:22:03,760
and uh I'm hoping we can u maintain it

6631
05:22:00,560 --> 05:22:06,560
for that many more. So I I like to think

6632
05:22:03,760 --> 05:22:09,920
that the municipality meford will do its

6633
05:22:06,560 --> 05:22:13,360
part in protecting and preserving this

6634
05:22:09,920 --> 05:22:16,000
uh this ecological beauty that uh that

6635
05:22:13,360 --> 05:22:18,638
we have with us. Thank you.

6636
05:22:16,000 --> 05:22:20,240
» Any uh questions? [clears throat] Uh or

6637
05:22:18,638 --> 05:22:22,560
I'm just going to call a vote then. All

6638
05:22:20,240 --> 05:22:24,480
in favor? Oh, sorry.

6639
05:22:22,560 --> 05:22:27,280
Sorry about that. Um yeah, through you,

6640
05:22:24,480 --> 05:22:29,600
Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Um

6641
05:22:27,280 --> 05:22:32,160
Harley, I was wondering

6642
05:22:29,600 --> 05:22:36,480
um just thinking kind of through the

6643
05:22:32,160 --> 05:22:39,280
course of today how to um

6644
05:22:36,480 --> 05:22:41,440
maybe give this a little more teeth. Um,

6645
05:22:39,280 --> 05:22:43,600
and a thought that popped into my head

6646
05:22:41,440 --> 05:22:49,680
while um just kind of going through the

6647
05:22:43,600 --> 05:22:54,160
day today was to add um another uh that

6648
05:22:49,680 --> 05:22:58,080
line um that basically uh direct staff

6649
05:22:54,160 --> 05:23:01,200
to include uh a natural heritage impacts

6650
05:22:58,080 --> 05:23:03,280
section on staff reports. Um because

6651
05:23:01,200 --> 05:23:05,040
that way I think that could help us

6652
05:23:03,280 --> 05:23:07,360
contextualize all of our future

6653
05:23:05,040 --> 05:23:09,680
decision-m. we do financial impacts and

6654
05:23:07,360 --> 05:23:11,360
then it it at least gives us the

6655
05:23:09,680 --> 05:23:15,120
opportunity to consider what the natural

6656
05:23:11,360 --> 05:23:18,080
heritage impacts are um of um decisions

6657
05:23:15,120 --> 05:23:19,760
that we're making. Um and I don't know

6658
05:23:18,080 --> 05:23:23,440
if that's something that would best fit

6659
05:23:19,760 --> 05:23:28,400
in a motion like this or perhaps in some

6660
05:23:23,440 --> 05:23:29,920
other uh motion or or bylaw, but um I'd

6661
05:23:28,400 --> 05:23:34,000
just like to hear your thoughts on that

6662
05:23:29,920 --> 05:23:37,440
as a way to implement it.

6663
05:23:34,000 --> 05:23:41,000
I'm not opposed to having that uh uh

6664
05:23:37,440 --> 05:23:41,000
additional clause.

6665
05:23:41,840 --> 05:23:47,360
» And are you going to speak to the the

6666
05:23:45,200 --> 05:23:50,718
site or second it? Go ahead then.

6667
05:23:47,360 --> 05:23:53,280
Councelor Bell.

6668
05:23:50,718 --> 05:23:55,840
» Thanks to uh Councelor Greenfield. So

6669
05:23:53,280 --> 05:23:59,920
the um the group that's been formed

6670
05:23:55,840 --> 05:24:02,000
fairly recently and uh do you know what

6671
05:23:59,920 --> 05:24:03,680
they do with the farmland that they get?

6672
05:24:02,000 --> 05:24:05,920
Do they take it out of production just

6673
05:24:03,680 --> 05:24:07,920
to turn it into

6674
05:24:05,920 --> 05:24:12,520
natural environment or do they allow

6675
05:24:07,920 --> 05:24:12,520
agriculture to continue? Do you know?

6676
05:24:13,040 --> 05:24:17,878
I as I understand their

6677
05:24:18,080 --> 05:24:23,920
their direction is to work with

6678
05:24:20,958 --> 05:24:28,520
agriculture to

6679
05:24:23,920 --> 05:24:28,520
be more pro

6680
05:24:29,600 --> 05:24:39,600
not as not just protective but more more

6681
05:24:32,480 --> 05:24:41,120
preservation for egg lands. uh to uh

6682
05:24:39,600 --> 05:24:44,080
help

6683
05:24:41,120 --> 05:24:47,360
influence

6684
05:24:44,080 --> 05:24:49,360
how agricultural production can continue

6685
05:24:47,360 --> 05:24:53,520
successfully

6686
05:24:49,360 --> 05:24:59,200
uh and and and protect the the

6687
05:24:53,520 --> 05:25:04,160
environment also. Now I I I don't think

6688
05:24:59,200 --> 05:25:06,240
they're anti- fertilizer or anti-spray.

6689
05:25:04,160 --> 05:25:08,480
I don't think that's the type of thing

6690
05:25:06,240 --> 05:25:13,280
they're into, but I think they're just

6691
05:25:08,480 --> 05:25:19,200
more into uh um

6692
05:25:13,280 --> 05:25:21,120
you know, new new initiatives and uh uh

6693
05:25:19,200 --> 05:25:24,560
I mean there's new stuff out there in

6694
05:25:21,120 --> 05:25:27,440
agriculture all the time, too. New uh

6695
05:25:24,560 --> 05:25:29,680
new ideas, new incentives. And I think

6696
05:25:27,440 --> 05:25:33,040
that's what they're uh I think that's

6697
05:25:29,680 --> 05:25:37,760
what they're uh looking for. I I don't

6698
05:25:33,040 --> 05:25:41,600
think they're looking to take uh

6699
05:25:37,760 --> 05:25:43,680
20 20 hectares of protective soybean

6700
05:25:41,600 --> 05:25:49,520
corn producing

6701
05:25:43,680 --> 05:25:52,080
uh land and planted in trees. uh if if

6702
05:25:49,520 --> 05:25:55,680
indeed there was

6703
05:25:52,080 --> 05:25:58,958
uh I guess the owner of that property

6704
05:25:55,680 --> 05:26:01,760
no longer wanted to produce agriculture

6705
05:25:58,958 --> 05:26:06,000
products, they'd be interested in in an

6706
05:26:01,760 --> 05:26:07,600
alternative. But I I I don't see that.

6707
05:26:06,000 --> 05:26:11,920
Um

6708
05:26:07,600 --> 05:26:14,958
give me quite like I I'm not a member of

6709
05:26:11,920 --> 05:26:17,200
the advocacy group. I can only kind of

6710
05:26:14,958 --> 05:26:20,240
relate what what I've read about them.

6711
05:26:17,200 --> 05:26:25,280
But u

6712
05:26:20,240 --> 05:26:29,280
uh I think in today's world where we're

6713
05:26:25,280 --> 05:26:33,360
losing 320 acres of agricultural land a

6714
05:26:29,280 --> 05:26:37,200
day, the last thing we want to do is

6715
05:26:33,360 --> 05:26:40,446
restrict egg practices.

6716
05:26:37,200 --> 05:26:41,520
My opinion. Uh can I just ask if I

6717
05:26:40,446 --> 05:26:43,760
[clears throat] may because I missed the

6718
05:26:41,520 --> 05:26:47,920
presentation uh personally but I thought

6719
05:26:43,760 --> 05:26:50,560
this had to do partly with um um

6720
05:26:47,920 --> 05:26:52,958
maintaining uh the corridors that are

6721
05:26:50,560 --> 05:26:56,480
used by wildlife.

6722
05:26:52,958 --> 05:26:58,958
Is that a different organization?

6723
05:26:56,480 --> 05:27:00,798
» Um yeah, I can I can speak to that just

6724
05:26:58,958 --> 05:27:02,400
um having had like past interactions

6725
05:27:00,798 --> 05:27:05,120
with the organization though not a

6726
05:27:02,400 --> 05:27:06,560
member. Um so there's kind of two

6727
05:27:05,120 --> 05:27:07,920
organizations that are operating in our

6728
05:27:06,560 --> 05:27:09,200
area that have very similar names.

6729
05:27:07,920 --> 05:27:11,040
There's the Escarpment Biosphere

6730
05:27:09,200 --> 05:27:12,958
Conservancy and the Escarpment Corridor

6731
05:27:11,040 --> 05:27:16,638
Alliance. This one being the Escort

6732
05:27:12,958 --> 05:27:19,440
Escarment Corridor Alliance. Um, and

6733
05:27:16,638 --> 05:27:20,718
kind of similarly, they um kind of uh

6734
05:27:19,440 --> 05:27:22,798
look at things as a as a land

6735
05:27:20,718 --> 05:27:25,440
conservancy and they do own land and

6736
05:27:22,798 --> 05:27:28,480
have greater degrees of protections uh

6737
05:27:25,440 --> 05:27:31,280
on the land that they own. Uh but they

6738
05:27:28,480 --> 05:27:35,760
sort of their main drive is to uh

6739
05:27:31,280 --> 05:27:37,360
basically um try to map out areas of

6740
05:27:35,760 --> 05:27:39,600
protected land, whether it's land they

6741
05:27:37,360 --> 05:27:42,160
own themselves or a municipality owns or

6742
05:27:39,600 --> 05:27:45,040
it's already um a conservation area or

6743
05:27:42,160 --> 05:27:47,680
something like that. And while those

6744
05:27:45,040 --> 05:27:50,400
individual pockets of land are useful

6745
05:27:47,680 --> 05:27:53,440
for wildlife um and other forms of

6746
05:27:50,400 --> 05:27:56,718
natural [snorts] heritage, uh they their

6747
05:27:53,440 --> 05:27:59,200
function for wildlife is limited unless

6748
05:27:56,718 --> 05:28:02,718
they are connected to other protected

6749
05:27:59,200 --> 05:28:04,558
areas. Uh because if deer deer in the

6750
05:28:02,718 --> 05:28:06,718
whole area are going to do well, they're

6751
05:28:04,558 --> 05:28:08,320
going to move between uh different

6752
05:28:06,718 --> 05:28:10,400
conservation areas, but they need a way

6753
05:28:08,320 --> 05:28:12,000
to get there. Uh and so that's what this

6754
05:28:10,400 --> 05:28:14,160
organization is looking at. So that

6755
05:28:12,000 --> 05:28:15,920
might be okay well if you know we're

6756
05:28:14,160 --> 05:28:17,760
redeveloping something how can we make

6757
05:28:15,920 --> 05:28:19,840
sure that there uh you know is preserved

6758
05:28:17,760 --> 05:28:22,558
wood lot at the back so that animals can

6759
05:28:19,840 --> 05:28:26,240
still continue to move across it or if

6760
05:28:22,558 --> 05:28:29,120
uh you're uh you know redesigning or or

6761
05:28:26,240 --> 05:28:32,240
working um uh agricultural land how do

6762
05:28:29,120 --> 05:28:34,718
you keep your uh hedro uh in good

6763
05:28:32,240 --> 05:28:36,558
condition and you know maybe consider

6764
05:28:34,718 --> 05:28:38,160
not getting rid of it so that there

6765
05:28:36,558 --> 05:28:40,638
continues to be corridors and channels

6766
05:28:38,160 --> 05:28:42,080
for wildlife to move through. Uh and

6767
05:28:40,638 --> 05:28:45,600
that's sort of the biggest sort of

6768
05:28:42,080 --> 05:28:49,600
conceptual uh goal uh is I've understood

6769
05:28:45,600 --> 05:28:51,280
it directly from uh the CEO

6770
05:28:49,600 --> 05:28:54,080
» Councelor Yurig.

6771
05:28:51,280 --> 05:28:56,320
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. Um well councelor

6772
05:28:54,080 --> 05:28:59,680
Anders I agree in principle with your

6773
05:28:56,320 --> 05:29:03,120
additional that um my question I guess

6774
05:28:59,680 --> 05:29:05,920
is and probably to the CEO is um are we

6775
05:29:03,120 --> 05:29:07,520
equipped to do that? uh because at the

6776
05:29:05,920 --> 05:29:10,878
end of the day uh a lot of the

6777
05:29:07,520 --> 05:29:12,480
environmental processes are specialized

6778
05:29:10,878 --> 05:29:14,480
uh and I just want to make sure that if

6779
05:29:12,480 --> 05:29:18,320
we're going to do something like that,

6780
05:29:14,480 --> 05:29:20,480
how does that impact staff a workload b

6781
05:29:18,320 --> 05:29:23,040
cost? Because if we're now having to go

6782
05:29:20,480 --> 05:29:24,878
out and get consultants to do and maybe

6783
05:29:23,040 --> 05:29:27,840
rubber stamp everything that's kind of

6784
05:29:24,878 --> 05:29:29,280
happening in conjunction with that, that

6785
05:29:27,840 --> 05:29:33,360
puts a different wrinkle on it. So I'll

6786
05:29:29,280 --> 05:29:35,760
kind of leave that one to uh Mr. Ever.

6787
05:29:33,360 --> 05:29:39,360
» Yes. Do you Mr. Mayor to council York, I

6788
05:29:35,760 --> 05:29:42,240
would agree. And it's not so much the

6789
05:29:39,360 --> 05:29:46,638
resourcing. I would say we we want to be

6790
05:29:42,240 --> 05:29:50,558
careful of having those types of headers

6791
05:29:46,638 --> 05:29:52,638
within our reports and presupposing the

6792
05:29:50,558 --> 05:29:55,280
planning process, right? Because the

6793
05:29:52,638 --> 05:30:00,000
planning process is going to require

6794
05:29:55,280 --> 05:30:01,440
potentially a natural heritage study. So

6795
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:03,040
if that's going to be part of the

6796
05:30:01,440 --> 05:30:07,280
process, I think there's ways that we

6797
05:30:03,040 --> 05:30:09,840
can strengthen that requirement. But um

6798
05:30:07,280 --> 05:30:12,400
I would be it would be worrisome for me

6799
05:30:09,840 --> 05:30:15,440
to think that every report's going to

6800
05:30:12,400 --> 05:30:18,400
have it. We can we can identify it as

6801
05:30:15,440 --> 05:30:21,520
yeah we think that there there may be

6802
05:30:18,400 --> 05:30:25,200
some natural impact or but I think the

6803
05:30:21,520 --> 05:30:28,718
planning process is the process that

6804
05:30:25,200 --> 05:30:32,878
directs that and quite frankly puts the

6805
05:30:28,718 --> 05:30:34,480
cost on the applicant to do that study

6806
05:30:32,878 --> 05:30:37,120
because it's not something that the

6807
05:30:34,480 --> 05:30:40,080
municipality should have to bear the

6808
05:30:37,120 --> 05:30:41,920
cost of on behalf of the taxpayers when

6809
05:30:40,080 --> 05:30:44,320
the planning process would actually have

6810
05:30:41,920 --> 05:30:46,160
the applicant

6811
05:30:44,320 --> 05:30:49,200
get that consultant to do that work as

6812
05:30:46,160 --> 05:30:51,120
part of their application.

6813
05:30:49,200 --> 05:30:52,878
» Councelor Bell.

6814
05:30:51,120 --> 05:30:55,120
» Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. So, that's

6815
05:30:52,878 --> 05:30:57,440
my major concern.

6816
05:30:55,120 --> 05:30:59,120
You have uh property and your neighbors

6817
05:30:57,440 --> 05:31:01,280
got property and you have things that

6818
05:30:59,120 --> 05:31:03,600
are transpiring and wildlife that are

6819
05:31:01,280 --> 05:31:04,958
moving and then all of a sudden you come

6820
05:31:03,600 --> 05:31:07,600
in and you want to do a building

6821
05:31:04,958 --> 05:31:10,240
somewhere and put a shed up for house

6822
05:31:07,600 --> 05:31:12,000
your combine and then you find out that

6823
05:31:10,240 --> 05:31:13,680
somebody somewhere else who doesn't even

6824
05:31:12,000 --> 05:31:15,280
live here has made a decree on your

6825
05:31:13,680 --> 05:31:17,120
property has got a listing on it that

6826
05:31:15,280 --> 05:31:20,000
you can't even do anything with it. The

6827
05:31:17,120 --> 05:31:21,280
prime example of that is Anancy. All of

6828
05:31:20,000 --> 05:31:23,520
a sudden you go and you make an

6829
05:31:21,280 --> 05:31:26,000
application. You find out that somebody

6830
05:31:23,520 --> 05:31:28,638
down in Toronto has set a computer

6831
05:31:26,000 --> 05:31:30,320
screen, multiplied things up and said,

6832
05:31:28,638 --> 05:31:31,680
"Oh, gee, look at that. That'd be a

6833
05:31:30,320 --> 05:31:32,878
great thing. They'll make you a Nancy

6834
05:31:31,680 --> 05:31:35,040
and you can't even do anything. It's

6835
05:31:32,878 --> 05:31:38,400
your own bush. So, this is the problem

6836
05:31:35,040 --> 05:31:39,840
that I have with with groups that come

6837
05:31:38,400 --> 05:31:41,920
that say you're going to take this

6838
05:31:39,840 --> 05:31:44,320
property and you're going to take it.

6839
05:31:41,920 --> 05:31:47,760
What are you going to do with it?"

6840
05:31:44,320 --> 05:31:49,760
Councelor Yurig and I we Grace Sable we

6841
05:31:47,760 --> 05:31:52,878
we've heard so many times about if you

6842
05:31:49,760 --> 05:31:55,440
have a wet land what it used to be for a

6843
05:31:52,878 --> 05:31:57,680
farmer to do the agriculture and how

6844
05:31:55,440 --> 05:31:59,920
close they could get and they've changed

6845
05:31:57,680 --> 05:32:02,798
that now. So actually the farmer can

6846
05:31:59,920 --> 05:32:04,480
recuperate more land because land is so

6847
05:32:02,798 --> 05:32:07,440
important to have to put into the food

6848
05:32:04,480 --> 05:32:10,400
chain. So we've seen that kind of thing.

6849
05:32:07,440 --> 05:32:13,440
There's other groups that exist that if

6850
05:32:10,400 --> 05:32:15,520
a farmer ever signs on with them, they

6851
05:32:13,440 --> 05:32:17,280
have lost the pres the right to even go

6852
05:32:15,520 --> 05:32:20,000
on the land. And I don't want to name

6853
05:32:17,280 --> 05:32:22,320
that name in this council meeting. But

6854
05:32:20,000 --> 05:32:24,000
that's what happens. They come to the to

6855
05:32:22,320 --> 05:32:25,600
the farm and they say, "Wouldn't you

6856
05:32:24,000 --> 05:32:27,840
like to do this? This is all great. It

6857
05:32:25,600 --> 05:32:31,200
sounds all lovely." They just signed it

6858
05:32:27,840 --> 05:32:34,320
away. And so that's my my reservation on

6859
05:32:31,200 --> 05:32:36,080
it. Now, this council will remember what

6860
05:32:34,320 --> 05:32:40,480
I clearly told that group when they came

6861
05:32:36,080 --> 05:32:42,160
here. I told them if they can help us

6862
05:32:40,480 --> 05:32:45,280
with what we're doing with the major

6863
05:32:42,160 --> 05:32:48,558
changes in grace conservation. I told

6864
05:32:45,280 --> 05:32:51,760
them power to them to help us to do

6865
05:32:48,558 --> 05:32:54,480
that. But this saying that we're going

6866
05:32:51,760 --> 05:32:58,080
to embrace that to me it just makes

6867
05:32:54,480 --> 05:33:00,878
another level of a hidden bureaucracy

6868
05:32:58,080 --> 05:33:02,638
that can hit somebody that owns We've

6869
05:33:00,878 --> 05:33:05,120
had some farmers here this afternoon

6870
05:33:02,638 --> 05:33:07,840
that got tens of thousands of acres and

6871
05:33:05,120 --> 05:33:10,798
he sat in that back row. Biggest farmer

6872
05:33:07,840 --> 05:33:12,878
we've got in Sydam Township. Okay. And I

6873
05:33:10,798 --> 05:33:15,600
don't want to see him someday or someone

6874
05:33:12,878 --> 05:33:17,840
like him make an application and go

6875
05:33:15,600 --> 05:33:20,638
where in the heck did this come from?

6876
05:33:17,840 --> 05:33:24,440
and we've done it. So, I'm a little

6877
05:33:20,638 --> 05:33:24,440
reserved on this.

6878
05:33:24,480 --> 05:33:30,320
My my fellow forer, councelor for knows

6879
05:33:27,760 --> 05:33:33,680
that I I care about sustainability and I

6880
05:33:30,320 --> 05:33:36,638
and I care about our environment, but to

6881
05:33:33,680 --> 05:33:39,120
me, whose fingers are in whose pie and

6882
05:33:36,638 --> 05:33:42,638
how deep do they go? So, I'm a little

6883
05:33:39,120 --> 05:33:44,558
reserved on it, that's all.

6884
05:33:42,638 --> 05:33:46,718
» Okay. Are we ready to entertain the

6885
05:33:44,558 --> 05:33:50,520
question?

6886
05:33:46,718 --> 05:33:50,520
Um all in favor

6887
05:33:52,080 --> 05:33:57,400
of the motion as presented. Yes. Um

6888
05:34:00,400 --> 05:34:06,480
» Yeah. Yeah. I I myself have just changed

6889
05:34:03,600 --> 05:34:10,400
my mind as a result of what councelor

6890
05:34:06,480 --> 05:34:10,798
Bell has said here. Uh but so

6891
05:34:10,400 --> 05:34:12,400
go ahead,

6892
05:34:10,798 --> 05:34:14,320
» Mayor. If I may, I'm wondering if we

6893
05:34:12,400 --> 05:34:16,558
have enough information at this point in

6894
05:34:14,320 --> 05:34:19,360
time to make a decision on this motion

6895
05:34:16,558 --> 05:34:21,680
or if we need to understand a little bit

6896
05:34:19,360 --> 05:34:24,080
more about the intentions of the

6897
05:34:21,680 --> 05:34:25,840
alliance in terms of because I

6898
05:34:24,080 --> 05:34:27,680
appreciate councelor Bell's comments and

6899
05:34:25,840 --> 05:34:29,840
we would not want to do that too many of

6900
05:34:27,680 --> 05:34:33,760
our existing land owners particularly if

6901
05:34:29,840 --> 05:34:36,000
they're um working the land. So, do we

6902
05:34:33,760 --> 05:34:38,798
need to go back to the alliance and

6903
05:34:36,000 --> 05:34:41,360
request a further understanding of of

6904
05:34:38,798 --> 05:34:44,400
what uh you know terms and restrictions

6905
05:34:41,360 --> 05:34:45,920
they would place on lands?

6906
05:34:44,400 --> 05:34:47,680
» Uh, councelor Manis.

6907
05:34:45,920 --> 05:34:50,400
» Sure. Thank you. Um, in a conversation I

6908
05:34:47,680 --> 05:34:53,680
had a after the presentation um we

6909
05:34:50,400 --> 05:34:55,440
discussed uh the desire uh because I was

6910
05:34:53,680 --> 05:34:56,558
just curious to learn more about how

6911
05:34:55,440 --> 05:34:58,798
they intend to work with the

6912
05:34:56,558 --> 05:35:00,558
agricultural community. So perhaps it

6913
05:34:58,798 --> 05:35:03,040
would be worthwhile to invite them back

6914
05:35:00,558 --> 05:35:05,680
to give a presentation on that aspect

6915
05:35:03,040 --> 05:35:07,360
specifically. Um I'm pretty sure that

6916
05:35:05,680 --> 05:35:10,320
they're still kind of in the early

6917
05:35:07,360 --> 05:35:11,920
fledgling stages of that program, but

6918
05:35:10,320 --> 05:35:14,320
perhaps

6919
05:35:11,920 --> 05:35:15,600
uh we could kind of start that

6920
05:35:14,320 --> 05:35:17,360
conversation to make sure that it's

6921
05:35:15,600 --> 05:35:19,680
something we would be comfortable with

6922
05:35:17,360 --> 05:35:22,480
and then if uh we in our community are

6923
05:35:19,680 --> 05:35:24,480
comfortable with it, then we could

6924
05:35:22,480 --> 05:35:26,878
support it more strongly or or not if

6925
05:35:24,480 --> 05:35:27,520
we're not comfortable. So, there's a

6926
05:35:26,878 --> 05:35:30,080
couple of [clears throat] ways to come

6927
05:35:27,520 --> 05:35:32,798
at this to defer or I just wonder do you

6928
05:35:30,080 --> 05:35:34,240
want to withdraw the motion until uh we

6929
05:35:32,798 --> 05:35:37,040
have that conversation with the

6930
05:35:34,240 --> 05:35:39,200
organization or do you want to let it or

6931
05:35:37,040 --> 05:35:42,320
would you be willing to have it deferred

6932
05:35:39,200 --> 05:35:44,000
until we hear from and I'm going to get

6933
05:35:42,320 --> 05:35:45,120
some direction from the clerk which will

6934
05:35:44,000 --> 05:35:46,958
be much more

6935
05:35:45,120 --> 05:35:48,718
» No, no, thank you worship. My suggestion

6936
05:35:46,958 --> 05:35:50,878
might actually be to postpone the motion

6937
05:35:48,718 --> 05:35:52,718
because we can put a reason in there and

6938
05:35:50,878 --> 05:35:54,558
then that gives count that gives staff

6939
05:35:52,718 --> 05:35:56,878
direction to go and see if they will

6940
05:35:54,558 --> 05:35:58,878
present again to the the comment rather

6941
05:35:56,878 --> 05:36:01,760
than trying to get formal direction to

6942
05:35:58,878 --> 05:36:04,638
go and ask them separately. Uh so if we

6943
05:36:01,760 --> 05:36:07,360
postpone to allow time um until such

6944
05:36:04,638 --> 05:36:09,440
time as the they are invited and and we

6945
05:36:07,360 --> 05:36:12,440
can deal with it that way I would maybe

6946
05:36:09,440 --> 05:36:12,440
suggest.

6947
05:36:13,680 --> 05:36:19,920
So over to you, Councelor Greenfield.

6948
05:36:16,240 --> 05:36:24,160
» Um, yeah, that that's fine. If uh we

6949
05:36:19,920 --> 05:36:27,440
want to uh postpone any decision until

6950
05:36:24,160 --> 05:36:32,200
staff gets more uh

6951
05:36:27,440 --> 05:36:32,200
more direction, I uh

6952
05:36:32,320 --> 05:36:37,920
I I don't know. To me, it seems fairly

6953
05:36:34,480 --> 05:36:42,600
straightforward. Do we do we want to

6954
05:36:37,920 --> 05:36:42,600
conserve protect what we've got?

6955
05:36:44,718 --> 05:36:50,000
And I really have my doubts if this

6956
05:36:47,440 --> 05:36:52,958
council is is really all that concerned

6957
05:36:50,000 --> 05:36:55,600
in it. And that disappoints me big time.

6958
05:36:52,958 --> 05:36:58,558
To me, this is fairly straightforward.

6959
05:36:55,600 --> 05:37:03,080
This is trying to preserve something for

6960
05:36:58,558 --> 05:37:03,080
my grandkids, for your grandkids.

6961
05:37:03,920 --> 05:37:10,680
» Okay. I'm sorry that [clears throat]

6962
05:37:07,280 --> 05:37:10,680
so I'm

6963
05:37:11,216 --> 05:37:15,798
[laughter] I'm in a corner here.

6964
05:37:17,440 --> 05:37:20,798
» Well, and I

6965
05:37:19,120 --> 05:37:23,680
» Yeah, I'll undertake to make sure that

6966
05:37:20,798 --> 05:37:26,080
we come back to this uh and and get the

6967
05:37:23,680 --> 05:37:30,160
information that we can make a maybe a

6968
05:37:26,080 --> 05:37:32,958
little more qualified judgment on. Um

6969
05:37:30,160 --> 05:37:37,120
so, moving on. Um and thank you for

6970
05:37:32,958 --> 05:37:40,718
helping us there. Um adoption of uh

6971
05:37:37,120 --> 05:37:42,320
minutes. We've got u the recommendation

6972
05:37:40,718 --> 05:37:44,240
uh that council of the municipality of

6973
05:37:42,320 --> 05:37:47,600
Meford hereby adopt the minutes of the

6974
05:37:44,240 --> 05:37:52,320
council meetings held on June 17, 2026,

6975
05:37:47,600 --> 05:37:54,638
June 22nd, 2026 and June 29th, 2026 and

6976
05:37:52,320 --> 05:37:58,798
the closed meetings held on June 17,

6977
05:37:54,638 --> 05:38:01,440
2026 and June 29, 2026. A mover and a

6978
05:37:58,798 --> 05:38:06,718
seconder. Councelor Urick and Deputy

6979
05:38:01,440 --> 05:38:09,360
Mayor. Um is there any discussion? Uh

6980
05:38:06,718 --> 05:38:12,400
I'll call vote. All in favor accepting

6981
05:38:09,360 --> 05:38:16,718
those minutes. Thank you. Um that was

6982
05:38:12,400 --> 05:38:18,480
unanimous. Uh the communications uh

6983
05:38:16,718 --> 05:38:21,440
uh reports there are a number of them

6984
05:38:18,480 --> 05:38:24,878
there. Anyone wish to bring any any of

6985
05:38:21,440 --> 05:38:26,798
these forward to discuss in any way?

6986
05:38:24,878 --> 05:38:28,958
Councelor Yur.

6987
05:38:26,798 --> 05:38:30,878
» Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure about the actual

6988
05:38:28,958 --> 05:38:32,240
A, B, and C, but of D on the

6989
05:38:30,878 --> 05:38:33,760
correspondence list. I just had one

6990
05:38:32,240 --> 05:38:34,480
thing.

6991
05:38:33,760 --> 05:38:36,240
» Sorry,

6992
05:38:34,480 --> 05:38:37,120
» I don't have anything on A, B, or C, but

6993
05:38:36,240 --> 05:38:38,638
I do have something on the

6994
05:38:37,120 --> 05:38:41,120
correspondence list under D.

6995
05:38:38,638 --> 05:38:42,320
» Oh, okay. If that would be great. Please

6996
05:38:41,120 --> 05:38:45,440
bring it forward then.

6997
05:38:42,320 --> 05:38:47,120
» Okay. Um, on the correspondence list, we

6998
05:38:45,440 --> 05:38:48,718
it would be if you anybody has that

6999
05:38:47,120 --> 05:38:51,680
pulled up, it's page 71. It's just

7000
05:38:48,718 --> 05:38:54,080
Peterborough County. Uh interesting one

7001
05:38:51,680 --> 05:38:56,480
that because uh there was they brought

7002
05:38:54,080 --> 05:38:59,040
forward a motion

7003
05:38:56,480 --> 05:39:00,878
uh that where the province of Ontario

7004
05:38:59,040 --> 05:39:04,000
shifted responsibility of the municipal

7005
05:39:00,878 --> 05:39:05,680
election voters list from impact to

7006
05:39:04,000 --> 05:39:09,760
elections Ontario by amending the

7007
05:39:05,680 --> 05:39:13,840
municipal elections act. Um their

7008
05:39:09,760 --> 05:39:15,520
concern is that many of the elector

7009
05:39:13,840 --> 05:39:17,920
lists presented by elections Ontario

7010
05:39:15,520 --> 05:39:20,080
have discrepancies in voter counts from

7011
05:39:17,920 --> 05:39:21,600
the 2022 municipal election.

7012
05:39:20,080 --> 05:39:24,400
specifically in the number of eligible

7013
05:39:21,600 --> 05:39:26,878
non-resident property owners which are

7014
05:39:24,400 --> 05:39:29,520
significantly lower than the 22 numbers.

7015
05:39:26,878 --> 05:39:31,120
So what the recommendation was is that

7016
05:39:29,520 --> 05:39:33,280
they're urging the province of Ontario

7017
05:39:31,120 --> 05:39:36,240
to immediat immediately encourage

7018
05:39:33,280 --> 05:39:38,240
prioritization of the review of data

7019
05:39:36,240 --> 05:39:41,040
specifically related to non-resident

7020
05:39:38,240 --> 05:39:43,040
property owners to ensure voter lists

7021
05:39:41,040 --> 05:39:46,080
are as accurate as possible prior to

7022
05:39:43,040 --> 05:39:48,480
August 14th. Um, we all want to see

7023
05:39:46,080 --> 05:39:50,638
accurate voter list and I just thought

7024
05:39:48,480 --> 05:39:53,600
supporting that motion would be an easy

7025
05:39:50,638 --> 05:39:55,680
one to do. So, I'm putting forth that

7026
05:39:53,600 --> 05:39:59,160
request.

7027
05:39:55,680 --> 05:39:59,160
» Thank you. Um,

7028
05:40:00,320 --> 05:40:05,200
is there do we need a motion to endorse

7029
05:40:03,120 --> 05:40:06,638
that motion? Is that what I need?

7030
05:40:05,200 --> 05:40:08,718
» Thank you, Rorip. Yes, if we have a

7031
05:40:06,638 --> 05:40:09,920
mover and a seconder to to support that

7032
05:40:08,718 --> 05:40:12,878
motion, then

7033
05:40:09,920 --> 05:40:14,718
» Uh and I I suggested this to councelor

7034
05:40:12,878 --> 05:40:18,320
Yurig. This is a very uh important thing

7035
05:40:14,718 --> 05:40:21,280
in my mind. Uh if uh if the province has

7036
05:40:18,320 --> 05:40:22,958
lost us a lot of uh potential voters in

7037
05:40:21,280 --> 05:40:26,558
the election, uh we need them to fix

7038
05:40:22,958 --> 05:40:28,480
that problem. So is there a seconder?

7039
05:40:26,558 --> 05:40:31,360
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Uh any

7040
05:40:28,480 --> 05:40:34,638
discussion on this? U all in favor of

7041
05:40:31,360 --> 05:40:36,400
the motion and that any opposed? That's

7042
05:40:34,638 --> 05:40:39,680
passed unanimously. Thank you. Thank

7043
05:40:36,400 --> 05:40:41,280
you, Councelor Yurig. Um

7044
05:40:39,680 --> 05:40:44,240
anyone else anything on the

7045
05:40:41,280 --> 05:40:48,160
communications list? If not, uh we are

7046
05:40:44,240 --> 05:40:49,680
ready to uh go into a a close session.

7047
05:40:48,160 --> 05:40:51,680
Um

7048
05:40:49,680 --> 05:40:53,680
and uh the recommendation is that the

7049
05:40:51,680 --> 05:40:57,040
council of the municipality of Meford

7050
05:40:53,680 --> 05:41:00,878
does now go into a close session at 6:40

7051
05:40:57,040 --> 05:41:03,440
p.m. Um number one, two items uh

7052
05:41:00,878 --> 05:41:06,558
regarding a position, plan, procedure,

7053
05:41:03,440 --> 05:41:09,600
criteria or instruction to be applied to

7054
05:41:06,558 --> 05:41:12,638
any negotiations carried on or to be

7055
05:41:09,600 --> 05:41:14,718
carried on uh by or on behalf of the

7056
05:41:12,638 --> 05:41:17,280
municipality or a local board. And that

7057
05:41:14,718 --> 05:41:20,958
is under the open meeting exemption K

7058
05:41:17,280 --> 05:41:23,840
section 2392 of the municipal act 2001

7059
05:41:20,958 --> 05:41:27,440
res um respecting the meford harbor

7060
05:41:23,840 --> 05:41:31,120
dredging and a TC energy pre-development

7061
05:41:27,440 --> 05:41:33,760
agreement with the CAO the clerk deputy

7062
05:41:31,120 --> 05:41:36,080
CEO and director of corporate services

7063
05:41:33,760 --> 05:41:38,718
the director of community services and

7064
05:41:36,080 --> 05:41:42,878
manager of memorial park cemeteries and

7065
05:41:38,718 --> 05:41:44,718
harbor in attendance and two uh one item

7066
05:41:42,878 --> 05:41:46,718
regarding personal matters about an

7067
05:41:44,718 --> 05:41:49,200
identifiable individual, including

7068
05:41:46,718 --> 05:41:51,520
municipal or local board employees.

7069
05:41:49,200 --> 05:41:55,440
That's under open meeting exemption B of

7070
05:41:51,520 --> 05:41:58,240
section 2392 of the Municipal Act 2001,

7071
05:41:55,440 --> 05:42:01,040
respecting an HR matter with the CEO,

7072
05:41:58,240 --> 05:42:04,480
the clerk, the deputy CEO, and director

7073
05:42:01,040 --> 05:42:07,040
of corporate services in attendance.

7074
05:42:04,480 --> 05:42:11,240
And uh we will be back uh following this

7075
05:42:07,040 --> 05:42:11,240
meeting to report out on it.

7076
07:23:41,760 --> 07:23:50,000
All right, reporting out at 8:21 p.m. on

7077
07:23:46,240 --> 07:23:52,798
our closed uh session. Um council met in

7078
07:23:50,000 --> 07:23:54,878
closed session and discussed one uh two

7079
07:23:52,798 --> 07:23:57,840
different items related to a position,

7080
07:23:54,878 --> 07:23:59,840
plan, procedure, criteria or instruction

7081
07:23:57,840 --> 07:24:03,120
to be applied to any negotiations

7082
07:23:59,840 --> 07:24:05,040
carried on or to be carried on by or on

7083
07:24:03,120 --> 07:24:07,360
behalf of the municipality or local

7084
07:24:05,040 --> 07:24:10,160
board and with direction provided to

7085
07:24:07,360 --> 07:24:13,440
staff on both of those items. Uh also

7086
07:24:10,160 --> 07:24:15,840
one item related uh regarding personnel

7087
07:24:13,440 --> 07:24:18,320
matters uh about an identifiable

7088
07:24:15,840 --> 07:24:20,558
individual including municipal or local

7089
07:24:18,320 --> 07:24:24,000
board employees with no direction

7090
07:24:20,558 --> 07:24:26,160
provided to staff. Now we have a

7091
07:24:24,000 --> 07:24:29,440
confirming bylaw. The recommendation be

7092
07:24:26,160 --> 07:24:31,680
it resolved that bylaw 2026-56

7093
07:24:29,440 --> 07:24:33,600
being a bylaw to confirm the proceedings

7094
07:24:31,680 --> 07:24:35,120
of the meeting of the council of the

7095
07:24:33,600 --> 07:24:37,440
corporation of the municipality of

7096
07:24:35,120 --> 07:24:39,680
meford be taken as read a first second

7097
07:24:37,440 --> 07:24:42,240
and third time and finally passed. Can I

7098
07:24:39,680 --> 07:24:44,000
have a mover and seconder

7099
07:24:42,240 --> 07:24:46,958
councelor Bell and councelor Andis.

7100
07:24:44,000 --> 07:24:50,478
Thank you. Uh all in favor

7101
07:24:46,958 --> 07:24:52,798
any opposed? That's carried unanimously.

7102
07:24:50,478 --> 07:24:56,160
And with that we can finally conclude

7103
07:24:52,798 --> 07:24:56,160
today's meeting.