1 00:02:54,450 --> 00:02:55,050 Ready for me? 2 00:02:57,510 --> 00:03:02,641 All right. The Medford School Board special meeting for September 17th, 2026 is 3 00:03:02,671 --> 00:03:08,070 called to order. Angela has let us know that she has experienced a 4 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:10,560 family emergency and is going to be late. 5 00:03:11,101 --> 00:03:15,421 So at this time, we're going to recess for 15 minutes and reconvene at 5:30 to give 6 00:03:15,451 --> 00:03:16,470 her some time to get here. 7 00:19:26,611 --> 00:19:29,820 We are back from the recess. If everyone would please stand for the pledge of 8 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:30,301 allegiance. 9 00:19:35,460 --> 00:19:41,310 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic 10 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:47,460 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice 11 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:47,940 for all. 12 00:19:50,430 --> 00:19:51,840 Jodi, please conduct roll call. 13 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,730 School board directors, Tabby Roe. Here. Ferguson. 14 00:19:56,970 --> 00:19:57,210 Here. 15 00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:58,140 Johnson. 16 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:58,380 Here. 17 00:19:58,740 --> 00:19:59,790 Linnea McHenry. 18 00:19:59,910 --> 00:20:00,121 Here. 19 00:20:00,390 --> 00:20:01,080 Spicer. 20 00:20:01,140 --> 00:20:01,290 Here. 21 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:02,160 Williams. 22 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:02,551 Here. 23 00:20:02,611 --> 00:20:03,180 Vakowski. 24 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:03,570 Here. 25 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,150 Thank you, everyone. Before we move into discussion tonight, I want to remind 26 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,640 everyone of the importance of following public meeting laws. 27 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:16,380 We should not discuss or disclose any statements or information from any prior 28 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,880 executive session, and we also need to refrain from identifying any staff members 29 00:20:20,910 --> 00:20:24,630 by name or sharing information that could potentially identify a staff member. 30 00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:28,890 These restrictions do not apply to identifying board members or to a superintendent 31 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,730 by name. Please keep these guidelines in mind as we proceed with our discussion. 32 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,111 Has everyone reviewed the letter from our attorney and the documents that are at 33 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:37,861 issue this evening? 34 00:20:39,301 --> 00:20:39,480 Yes. 35 00:20:40,770 --> 00:20:45,330 Okay. Because these two matters involve the same type of concerns with respect to 36 00:20:45,361 --> 00:20:49,530 public records and editing of documents, I'm going to open the meeting to Sunny to 37 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:54,090 discuss her concerns, then I will discuss my concerns, and then we will turn over 38 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:57,090 to Angela to be given the opportunity to address both matters. 39 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,111 After that, the board can engage in conversations as to what, if anything, the 40 00:21:01,170 --> 00:21:03,361 board would like to do in response to these concerns. 41 00:21:05,100 --> 00:21:10,650 The first matter is the issue of the document that was sent to OGEC, followed by a 42 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:14,640 response from OGEC, with the response having been edited by Angela and then 43 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:18,390 circulated to the board as though the edited version was the response received from 44 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,010 OGEC. This matter proceeded through the policy BBG by Sunny, and I will now turn it 45 00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:26,400 over to Sunny to discuss her concerns related to the OGEC document. 46 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:32,371 Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for your time and consideration on this. 47 00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:37,560 So I want to be clear why I brought this complaint to step three, and to know that 48 00:21:37,650 --> 00:21:39,660 I don't take this position that we are in lightly. 49 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,640 This is not about a disagreement between board members, nor should it discourage 50 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:47,580 anyone from raising a legitimate ethics concern. 51 00:21:48,030 --> 00:21:50,611 We should always be willing to ask difficult questions. 52 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,690 This is about accountability and whether we are willing to hold ourselves to the 53 00:21:54,750 --> 00:21:57,121 same standards we expect throughout the district. 54 00:21:57,810 --> 00:22:01,980 We expect accuracy, integrity, transparency, and accountability from our 55 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,340 superintendent, administrators, staff, and from our students. 56 00:22:05,970 --> 00:22:10,380 This is all a primary responsibility and our role as a governing body responsible 57 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,801 to the public education of the children in our community. 58 00:22:14,490 --> 00:22:19,230 Those expectations have little credibility if we are unwilling to apply them to 59 00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:23,430 ourselves. There are two fundamental concerns before us now. 60 00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:27,810 First, materially inaccurate information was provided to a state government ethics 61 00:22:27,871 --> 00:22:29,490 body concerning another board member. 62 00:22:30,270 --> 00:22:35,490 Seeking ethics guidance is very appropriate, but that process depends upon accurate 63 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,020 information. The facts shape the question, the guidance received, and potentially 64 00:22:40,051 --> 00:22:42,210 the actions of a public body relying on it. 65 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:46,621 Second, an official communication received from the Oregon Ethics Commission was 66 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,790 altered before being presented to the district's board and legal decision-making 67 00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:56,280 process. The nature of those changes are particularly concerning. 68 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,940 When the original response is compared with the version circulated, the edits 69 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,340 appear to remove or change portions that reference several inaccurate assertations 70 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,830 contained in the original request for guidance. 71 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:11,280 I'm not asking the board to presume why those changes were made. 72 00:23:11,371 --> 00:23:15,240 I'm asking the board to determine what happened and whether the conduct meets the 73 00:23:15,301 --> 00:23:17,220 standards we have committed to uphold. 74 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:21,630 There's a significant difference between clearly summarizing a document and 75 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,530 altering an official government communication and presenting it without disclosing 76 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,240 those changes. Board members, administration, legal counsel, and the public must be 77 00:23:30,301 --> 00:23:34,530 able to trust the accuracy and integrity of information used to conduct public 78 00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:35,040 business. 79 00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:42,090 ORS 244.10 establishes that service as a public official is a 80 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:46,260 public trust and places the highest ethical standards above loyalty to government, 81 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,220 individuals, political parties, or individual interests. 82 00:23:50,551 --> 00:23:55,290 Our obligations must be to the public and the integrity of the office that we hold, 83 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:59,940 not allegiance to any individual, organization, union, political interest, or any 84 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,070 outside group. That public trust depends upon the integrity of our process and the 85 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,090 accuracy of the information and records upon which the public decisions are made. 86 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:13,950 Our own board operating agreement reinforces that responsibility. 87 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:18,960 We have committed to follow the law consistently, apply district policy, make 88 00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:23,580 informed decisions, operate transparently, and respect the collective authority of 89 00:24:23,611 --> 00:24:27,960 this board. Legal counsel serves the whole board, not any of us individually. 90 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,400 Those commitments only work when the information placed before the board and its 91 00:24:32,430 --> 00:24:35,310 counsel can be trusted, so accountability matters. 92 00:24:35,700 --> 00:24:40,020 This is why I don't consider this an interpersonal dispute or a personal dispute. 93 00:24:40,861 --> 00:24:44,460 The conduct of one board member can affect the credibility of all of us 94 00:24:44,551 --> 00:24:45,150 individually. 95 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:52,140 When 96 00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:57,480 a departure from that ethical or governance standards occur without meaningful 97 00:24:57,570 --> 00:25:01,890 accountability, those standards lose their meaning and undermines our collective 98 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:06,540 ability to govern, our credibility when we demand accountability elsewhere in the 99 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,180 district, and we do demand that of everyone in the district. 100 00:25:10,170 --> 00:25:14,100 We can't effectively set policy, oversee public resources, hold the district to 101 00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:18,361 high standards, and ask our community to trust us while accepting a lower standard 102 00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:24,060 from ourselves, and that applies to each of us. Accountability is not retaliation. 103 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:27,301 It's not punishment. It's not about pre-judging the outcome. 104 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:31,320 It means establishing the facts, providing a fair opportunity to respond, 105 00:25:31,410 --> 00:25:35,551 consistently applying our policies and standards, and taking appropriate action 106 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:37,470 based upon the evidence it establishes. 107 00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:40,950 I'm not asking the board to simply accept my conclusions. 108 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,301 I'm just asking the board to determine whether materially inaccurate information 109 00:25:45,361 --> 00:25:48,960 was provided through a government ethics process, whether an official government 110 00:25:48,991 --> 00:25:53,160 communication was altered and presented without disclosure of those changes, and 111 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:57,150 whether the conduct established through this process is consistent with our 112 00:25:57,210 --> 00:26:00,720 policies and our board operating agreement, the code of conduct, the oath of 113 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:03,630 office, and the responsibilities we have as public officials. 114 00:26:04,290 --> 00:26:08,160 If the board does not substantiate these concerns, a fair process should establish 115 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:11,970 that. But if it does, there must be meaningful accountability. 116 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:16,920 No individual board member is more important than the integrity of this board. 117 00:26:17,310 --> 00:26:20,520 Our ethical standards can't simply be words we adopt. 118 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:24,180 They must guide our conduct, particularly when applying them is difficult or 119 00:26:24,241 --> 00:26:27,540 uncomfortable. Public office is public trust. 120 00:26:28,351 --> 00:26:33,480 If we expect accountability throughout this district, starting with our students 121 00:26:33,571 --> 00:26:37,830 and with our staff, we must be willing to expect it from all of us ourselves. 122 00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:39,301 Thank you. 123 00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:44,400 Okay. The second matter also involves editing of documents that are likely public 124 00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:47,910 records. The text messages that were included in the letter from our attorney are 125 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:49,710 the records at issue for the second matter. 126 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,640 I brought this matter because it's a continuation of the concerns from Sunny. 127 00:26:54,361 --> 00:26:58,380 The concern is twofold. First, there's a continuation of editing documents without 128 00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:02,101 retention of the original version being maintained, which is a problem when we are 129 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,280 required to maintain our records in the event of a public records request. 130 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,970 The second is that the changes appear to have been made with an attempt to hide the 131 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:13,321 original information contained in the documents. I proceeded through BBG as well. 132 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,140 As discussed by Sunny, the biggest problem is... Well, I don't know. 133 00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:22,710 Actually, I didn't hear if you said that, but we had trouble obtaining the 134 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:28,260 documents. I understand that Sunny had to obtain the original OGEC request and the 135 00:27:28,321 --> 00:27:31,710 original letter from OGEC through a public records request. 136 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:37,620 Angela offered to let me review the texts when I raised the concern, but despite 137 00:27:37,650 --> 00:27:39,270 multiple requests, those were never provided. 138 00:27:39,361 --> 00:27:41,580 I did obtain them from a different source 139 00:27:42,810 --> 00:27:46,380 and had them sent directly to our attorney so as to keep that information 140 00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:47,160 confidential. 141 00:27:48,313 --> 00:27:52,453 Our operating agreement is pretty clear that we want no surprises, and having 142 00:27:52,813 --> 00:27:56,082 edited documents presented is a surprise, and it's not something that we should 143 00:27:56,112 --> 00:28:01,962 take lightly. I did ask, as part of my BBG complaint, 144 00:28:02,052 --> 00:28:04,872 to have Angela take additional training in public records. 145 00:28:04,932 --> 00:28:07,602 I understand she's done that, and she's going to have a chance to talk about that. 146 00:28:08,712 --> 00:28:13,092 But the bigger concern is the accountability, as Sunny discussed, that when we do 147 00:28:13,152 --> 00:28:16,393 something, even if it's something we're not proud of, we need to own those things. 148 00:28:16,572 --> 00:28:19,513 We can't expect our students to take responsibility for their actions if we don't 149 00:28:19,542 --> 00:28:24,283 do it ourselves, and we can't expect our students to not hide things that they are 150 00:28:24,313 --> 00:28:27,522 uncomfortable with if we're hiding things. 151 00:28:28,783 --> 00:28:32,052 It appears to be a need for individualized coaching, potentially. 152 00:28:32,533 --> 00:28:34,902 I'm hoping the training that was taken will resolve this. 153 00:28:35,652 --> 00:28:40,542 I did ask OSBA at the Board Chair Cafe about the potential for targeted additional 154 00:28:40,602 --> 00:28:44,322 training with respect to what qualifies as a public record, if it's our personal 155 00:28:44,382 --> 00:28:48,462 text messages, if it involves board business, and they are looking into creating 156 00:28:48,522 --> 00:28:53,203 training specifically for that. This creates a bad look for the entire board. 157 00:28:53,682 --> 00:28:57,372 It's a bad look to have edited public documents, and the public needs to be able to 158 00:28:57,432 --> 00:28:59,382 trust documents that come from us. 159 00:29:00,132 --> 00:29:03,852 It's an appearance of fraud, and I don't think that's something that anyone on our 160 00:29:03,882 --> 00:29:08,322 board takes lightly or anyone on our board wants to be associated with. 161 00:29:09,402 --> 00:29:13,063 I'll now turn it over to Angela to have her response to these concerns. 162 00:29:16,362 --> 00:29:18,972 I did not bring a prepared statement because I don't 163 00:29:20,682 --> 00:29:25,842 work that way. Sunny and I had multiple discussions about her complaint. 164 00:29:26,322 --> 00:29:28,813 I view it differently but understand her perspective. 165 00:29:30,372 --> 00:29:34,302 I entirely disagree that my private personal text messages were a public record. 166 00:29:36,552 --> 00:29:41,263 Even though I disagree with that, I have sought out every possible available 167 00:29:43,242 --> 00:29:47,922 on-demand training related to public records and public communication, and what 168 00:29:47,982 --> 00:29:51,492 constitutes a private versus a public communication. 169 00:29:52,842 --> 00:29:55,692 And I have completed those. I don't agree that that was a public record. 170 00:29:56,022 --> 00:29:57,882 I don't agree that it was appropriate to 171 00:29:59,292 --> 00:30:01,002 seek those out from a district employee. 172 00:30:01,513 --> 00:30:05,922 I don't think that it sets a good precedent that employees are not allowed to have 173 00:30:08,263 --> 00:30:10,002 personal discussions that 174 00:30:12,612 --> 00:30:14,143 would be handled as a public record. 175 00:30:16,422 --> 00:30:21,822 I don't agree that the subject matter was anything that would necessitate it being 176 00:30:23,203 --> 00:30:26,832 brought forward, but since we have now, 177 00:30:31,572 --> 00:30:35,682 I'm really frustrated. I'd like for the text to be read out because I think the 178 00:30:35,712 --> 00:30:40,572 subject of the text might be playing a role in what's happening here. 179 00:30:41,592 --> 00:30:47,472 However, this board, for more than a year now, has been focused on things 180 00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:49,242 that do not improve student outcomes. 181 00:30:49,722 --> 00:30:50,652 And here we are again, 182 00:30:52,182 --> 00:30:54,643 sitting and discussing things that are not student-facing. 183 00:30:54,882 --> 00:31:00,791 So I have asked both of you numerous times in multiple formats, what is it that 184 00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:04,932 you would like to do to resolve this? I was told training. I did the training. 185 00:31:04,992 --> 00:31:09,462 I'm asking again, what is it that you would like to do that feels like resolution 186 00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:12,192 to you so that we can get back to a focus on students? 187 00:31:15,342 --> 00:31:15,852 Well, Sunny? 188 00:31:18,462 --> 00:31:22,872 I said repeatedly that I wanted just to see a level of accountability. 189 00:31:22,932 --> 00:31:28,813 There was never once an admonition that this is what 190 00:31:28,842 --> 00:31:32,982 happened, that this was wrong, not going to do this, what the steps were going to 191 00:31:33,042 --> 00:31:36,372 happen to make sure that this was not going to happen again. 192 00:31:38,592 --> 00:31:43,063 Altering a document from the Ethics Commission is a 193 00:31:44,592 --> 00:31:49,513 fraudulent act, and admitting that that's a fraudulent act is 194 00:31:51,582 --> 00:31:57,162 important to me. And I think that should be important to the board, having 195 00:31:57,222 --> 00:32:02,563 that admitted into our own record, as in having it submitted to our 196 00:32:02,922 --> 00:32:04,872 attorney for a decision. 197 00:32:06,102 --> 00:32:11,953 That, to me, is a serious offense. And saying that this was not something that 198 00:32:11,982 --> 00:32:15,402 should have happened, that it's not going to happen again, and 199 00:32:17,322 --> 00:32:20,592 moving forward from that, I'm good with that piece. 200 00:32:20,893 --> 00:32:23,592 But there was never an, "I understand that this is wrong. 201 00:32:23,622 --> 00:32:24,462 It shouldn't have happened." 202 00:32:25,662 --> 00:32:30,582 I understand your perspective, and I feel like there was a long response that 203 00:32:30,612 --> 00:32:33,522 essentially said three points, and I shared those points with the board. 204 00:32:33,882 --> 00:32:36,882 That's why when we met again, and I asked you specifically what is it that you 205 00:32:36,912 --> 00:32:40,602 wanted shared with the board, I just forwarded your words out to the board, along 206 00:32:40,632 --> 00:32:44,712 with the entire complete text, so that I wouldn't in any possible way misrepresent 207 00:32:44,742 --> 00:32:50,472 what you want said. In doing that, I did say, "Here's what you received. 208 00:32:50,533 --> 00:32:55,122 Here's the entire text. I'm sharing Sunny's words so that you can hear what Sunny 209 00:32:55,152 --> 00:32:56,802 wanted to share about this." 210 00:32:56,862 --> 00:33:00,132 I hope that that was, "This is what Sunny thinks." It isn't a, 211 00:33:01,692 --> 00:33:03,042 "I understand this was wrong." 212 00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:04,272 The point of clarity. 213 00:33:05,712 --> 00:33:09,402 Just want a couple of things. And I heard some 214 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,242 leveled accusations like fraud, 215 00:33:15,402 --> 00:33:21,342 like altering public documents, and what I don't think is 216 00:33:21,372 --> 00:33:23,563 completely clear are a couple of things. 217 00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:29,592 The specific things that were not included, 218 00:33:30,283 --> 00:33:33,102 and the other thing that we're not discussing is intent. 219 00:33:33,672 --> 00:33:38,862 Because the idea with fraud, one would imply, 220 00:33:41,712 --> 00:33:47,442 specifically when it has to do with public documents, in order for it to be 221 00:33:47,533 --> 00:33:50,982 fraud, it has to have intent. In my understanding, it has to have intent. 222 00:33:51,432 --> 00:33:52,152 Therefore, 223 00:33:53,592 --> 00:33:57,013 I would have to assume that the person would have to know that they're altering a 224 00:33:57,072 --> 00:34:02,502 public document. We just heard earlier, and this is pivoting a little bit to the 225 00:34:02,563 --> 00:34:08,412 text messages. In order for what is being alleged with the complaint 226 00:34:08,442 --> 00:34:12,312 concerning the text messages that she was committing fraud by altering a public 227 00:34:12,373 --> 00:34:13,002 document, 228 00:34:14,351 --> 00:34:19,812 I would have to assume that she would have needed to know that it was a public 229 00:34:19,873 --> 00:34:24,102 document. If she is sending a text message and she is thinking that it is her own 230 00:34:24,132 --> 00:34:26,922 private text message, then why wouldn't she alter it? 231 00:34:27,462 --> 00:34:30,432 And Angela, I have done the same thing that you've done. 232 00:34:31,123 --> 00:34:35,862 I'm confessing that I have had a-- I don't know why we're talking about this, 233 00:34:35,922 --> 00:34:39,582 y'all. I have sent a text message as a person, 234 00:34:40,873 --> 00:34:46,302 as a citizen, whenever I'm not conducting board business, to people who are 235 00:34:46,362 --> 00:34:47,472 employees in our district. 236 00:34:47,562 --> 00:34:48,972 I'm not talking about the text message. 237 00:34:49,062 --> 00:34:49,812 I'm only talking- 238 00:34:49,902 --> 00:34:51,342 I know. I'm coming back to that. 239 00:34:51,373 --> 00:34:51,373 Okay. 240 00:34:51,402 --> 00:34:53,953 But the point is going back to intent. 241 00:34:54,672 --> 00:34:59,352 If someone had told me, "Michael, you absolutely cannot alter any of your text 242 00:34:59,412 --> 00:35:03,492 messages or you'll be committing fraud because your text messages are public 243 00:35:05,172 --> 00:35:09,282 documents." If I knew that, and that was made very clear to me, then maybe I would 244 00:35:09,342 --> 00:35:13,873 not have done that. What is being alleged and what is being framed is that there's 245 00:35:13,932 --> 00:35:18,222 a pattern of behavior that disregards the significance of a public document. 246 00:35:18,792 --> 00:35:23,143 I don't see that here, because that would have to mean that she understood that 247 00:35:25,002 --> 00:35:27,282 her text messages were public, and she didn't know. 248 00:35:27,402 --> 00:35:30,312 Which, even Kendall, you said likely public record. 249 00:35:30,492 --> 00:35:34,752 I stand firmly that these are not public records, but also the litmus test that you 250 00:35:34,782 --> 00:35:38,712 gave me when we met is, "Would this conversation have taken place if you were not 251 00:35:38,772 --> 00:35:43,782 on the board?" And I can raise my hand to whatever deity you believe in and say, 252 00:35:44,112 --> 00:35:48,162 "Absolutely this conversation would've taken-- Very similar conversations did take 253 00:35:48,222 --> 00:35:52,362 place before I was on the board, which led to me running to be on the board." These 254 00:35:52,393 --> 00:35:56,352 are personal relationships that predate my service on the board. 255 00:35:56,652 --> 00:36:00,012 They were private, personal conversations. They're not public record. 256 00:36:00,492 --> 00:36:05,412 So again, I'm asking Sunny. We sat down and had multiple conversations. 257 00:36:05,922 --> 00:36:09,492 I wanted to not misrepresent your words, so I shared exactly your words with the 258 00:36:09,552 --> 00:36:13,722 board and laid out exactly what happened. This was the long advice. 259 00:36:13,842 --> 00:36:17,562 These are the three points that are, I think, relevant, which essentially said, 260 00:36:17,922 --> 00:36:20,143 this isn't a matter for OGA. Which, by the way, 261 00:36:21,373 --> 00:36:25,512 it's kind of hard to discuss all of this without discussing the nature of why this 262 00:36:25,572 --> 00:36:26,862 even existed in the first place. But 263 00:36:28,542 --> 00:36:31,752 when I've asked you multiple times if you wanted to bring this out in the public 264 00:36:31,782 --> 00:36:36,522 and discuss it, you haven't. I've tried to respect that, and I've tried to navigate 265 00:36:36,582 --> 00:36:37,482 this as 266 00:36:39,373 --> 00:36:44,352 productively as possible, which is why I've continued to ask what is it that-- I 267 00:36:44,382 --> 00:36:46,302 think that these are entirely two separate matters. 268 00:36:46,992 --> 00:36:50,472 I don't agree with Kendall's assertion, but I understand your point. I do. 269 00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:54,912 And I want to move forward in a way that resolves that for you, and I attempted to 270 00:36:54,942 --> 00:36:56,202 do that by 271 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,690 ... sharing your exact words so that your thoughts wouldn't be misconstrued to the 272 00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:05,880 board. So I'm asking, what else would you like to do so that we can productively 273 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:06,630 work through this? 274 00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:13,800 I think I just said that. You shared my words, but it was still a, "This 275 00:37:13,860 --> 00:37:18,540 is what Sunny thinks." It wasn't a, "I accept responsibility for this." 276 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:20,940 I have a question. 277 00:37:24,510 --> 00:37:24,960 I'm still a little confused about- 278 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,690 No, I can save us the time. I don't want to hold up this whole room. 279 00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:33,630 Sunny, I accept responsibility. I understand your 280 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:35,880 feelings and your thoughts and your perspective on the way things happened. 281 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:38,400 I apologize. I take accountability for that. 282 00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:43,530 I did not intend, in any way, to present a different case than the advice that I 283 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,080 got, but I fully apologize, and I take accountability. 284 00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:47,700 And you understand 285 00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:50,790 what was wrong with that? 286 00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:53,101 I understand your perspective. I do. 287 00:37:55,890 --> 00:37:58,560 What is the thing that was wrong? That's what I still don't understand. 288 00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:00,690 What was the thing that was wrong? 289 00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:05,971 It was a letter from the Oregon Ethics Commission that was altered and presented 290 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:06,390 as- 291 00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:08,820 Which the entire board has. 292 00:38:08,851 --> 00:38:14,550 Wait, no. Were the words in the letter changed, or was there some- 293 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:20,940 Yes. The letter from the Oregon Ethics Commission giving advice to our board was 294 00:38:20,971 --> 00:38:22,050 materially changed. 295 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,320 How? 296 00:38:22,351 --> 00:38:24,180 Can that legitimately be a public record? 297 00:38:24,241 --> 00:38:24,991 Because I feel like you- 298 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:25,351 Yeah. 299 00:38:25,380 --> 00:38:26,190 I request the public- 300 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,550 That is part of the packet that was sent, and there's actually a page- 301 00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:29,851 Okay 302 00:38:29,851 --> 00:38:30,510 ... that details what- 303 00:38:30,601 --> 00:38:33,870 Okay. But that was presented as though that was the original, and that is the 304 00:38:33,930 --> 00:38:34,649 problem. Okay. 305 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:35,940 It's part of the letter from- 306 00:38:35,971 --> 00:38:37,320 But that's the whole problem here. 307 00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:37,830 So 308 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:40,530 Sunny, I'm trying. I am- 309 00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:44,130 I know, but Michael asked a question, and I'm answering it. 310 00:38:44,221 --> 00:38:49,410 It was presented as though that was the original. It was edited. 311 00:38:50,491 --> 00:38:56,250 The portion that was edited, the things that were changed, were the things that 312 00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:56,640 were 313 00:38:58,710 --> 00:39:01,590 not factual from the first portion of it. 314 00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:02,250 Okay. 315 00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:09,241 And then to mine, my understanding of public record is anything that, and as we've 316 00:39:09,241 --> 00:39:13,351 discussed, it's anything that is a conversation you wouldn't have but for your 317 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:17,310 position on the board and anything that involves board business. It's a two-part. 318 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,160 It's not just only your position, but it involves board business. 319 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,520 And one of the things that was discussed was the upcoming retreat. 320 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:24,870 It was something that hadn't happened yet. 321 00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:29,250 And I did discuss it when I found out about it with our lawyer first, and she said, 322 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,930 "Yes, it's very likely a public record. 323 00:39:31,020 --> 00:39:34,680 If there was a request, it would have to be disclosed." The person texting me did 324 00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:37,351 not make a request of me. There was no attempt to influence. 325 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:40,050 They did not ask me to take any action. 326 00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:45,120 What was discussed was very much what had been discussed in a public meeting the 327 00:39:45,180 --> 00:39:46,920 night before or whatever, nights before. 328 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,380 It was commentary on what was said in the public. 329 00:39:49,741 --> 00:39:53,310 Nothing that was shared in that text exchange was not discussed in the public 330 00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:55,590 meeting. Everyone knew there was an upcoming retreat. 331 00:39:55,950 --> 00:39:59,370 Everyone knew what the conversation was about, what would happen at that upcoming 332 00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:59,880 retreat. 333 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:02,101 That was all public. 334 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,610 But it still involved board business, so my understanding from our attorney is 335 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,721 that, yes, that would be something that- 336 00:40:06,810 --> 00:40:06,840 Okay 337 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,250 ... would have to be disclosed in a records request. 338 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:10,860 And I know that that's not something that you understood or agree with me, which is 339 00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:13,320 why I requested the training, which I very much appreciate you took. 340 00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:17,130 And you did let me know yesterday morning about three trainings that you had taken, 341 00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:18,420 which I didn't know until yesterday morning- 342 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:20,101 We agreed to that on September 2nd, though. 343 00:40:20,130 --> 00:40:20,730 We agreed that- 344 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:20,760 Yes 345 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:22,380 ... the three of us agreed to that. 346 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,730 Right, but you did tell me if I felt like I needed to proceed to a hearing, then go 347 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,370 ahead and go for it, so I understood you to say, "Have your hearing. 348 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:33,420 I'm not doing anything." And then yesterday, I get this email that says, "Here are 349 00:40:33,450 --> 00:40:36,660 some I've taken," which I appreciate you taking the initiative to take those, but 350 00:40:36,690 --> 00:40:37,680 we'd already scheduled this. 351 00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:42,030 Does anyone else have anything they would like to say? 352 00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:44,730 I just have a-- 353 00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:50,070 What I'm hearing a lot of is fundamentally just a different 354 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:52,710 opinion on 355 00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:55,471 what is maybe 356 00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:59,940 considered public documents, editing, whatever. 357 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,270 I guess even just moving forward, my question for you would just be, do you feel 358 00:41:03,330 --> 00:41:03,570 like 359 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:10,351 it-- It's obviously caused a lot of this, that we would like to move on. 360 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,230 You would second-guess whatever you might text or edit in the future. 361 00:41:16,741 --> 00:41:18,750 And the trainings, were they beneficial? 362 00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:22,020 Yep. 363 00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:28,950 I just have one thing to add for the record. 364 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:36,241 The school year is just underway. 365 00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:38,971 We spent an entire year 366 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:43,530 discussing this policy. Entire year. 367 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,530 The ink wasn't even dry before complaints were levied. 368 00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:52,980 And I just want it on the record that this is what I warned about, 369 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:59,851 that a policy like this would not result in meaningful conflict 370 00:41:59,940 --> 00:42:05,130 resolution, and it has not. Nothing about those steps have slowed it down. 371 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:07,380 We ended up in the same place. 372 00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:14,550 And this subject and all of this, I do not think has a significant and 373 00:42:14,670 --> 00:42:18,000 impactful bearing on whether or not our kids can read. 374 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:22,351 I think that all of this could've been resolved before bringing it to a public 375 00:42:22,410 --> 00:42:24,780 meeting. And this was what I warned about. 376 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:25,500 Michael- 377 00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:26,820 And here we are. Here we are. 378 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:27,780 Attempted. 379 00:42:27,780 --> 00:42:29,610 Here we are. Here we are. Well, technically what? 380 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,180 That I said it was attempted to resolve before. 381 00:42:33,241 --> 00:42:35,040 Yeah, but that was my point. 382 00:42:35,070 --> 00:42:35,070 That's- 383 00:42:35,101 --> 00:42:38,820 My point was that this was a pathway to this very thing. 384 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:42,360 That the attempt wouldn't work, that it wouldn't stop at step one. 385 00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:46,320 It wouldn't stop at step two. That we would be ending up spending our time, the 386 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:52,050 public's time, talking about, in my opinion, very petty things that are not 387 00:42:52,110 --> 00:42:54,480 consequential to public education. 388 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,500 And we went through this for a year last year. 389 00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:04,140 We took the public on a soap opera the year before that of conflict, having to do 390 00:43:04,170 --> 00:43:09,810 with the very things that we codified in Policy BG. So here's how I feel. 391 00:43:10,110 --> 00:43:11,460 We have had a 392 00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:15,660 confession. 393 00:43:18,810 --> 00:43:23,460 After our Spanish Inquisition, we have had our confession. We have had an apology. 394 00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:25,920 We have a commitment by someone to do better. 395 00:43:26,399 --> 00:43:27,750 I would think that that would be enough. 396 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,860 I believe that the complaint should be satisfied, and I would like to move to make 397 00:43:31,890 --> 00:43:34,980 a decision on whether it's satisfied or 398 00:43:36,690 --> 00:43:39,750 whether or not we need to continue discussing this. And may I have a second? 399 00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:45,840 Yeah, that's the process, right? 400 00:43:46,351 --> 00:43:46,471 Yeah. 401 00:43:46,590 --> 00:43:47,370 It now goes to- 402 00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:51,930 Well, the next step is a roll call. Well, we need to let everyone else that has 403 00:43:51,991 --> 00:43:54,390 something that they want to ask, ask. 404 00:43:54,810 --> 00:43:58,410 But the roll call would be if the board believes the allegations in one or both of 405 00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,790 the complaints are substantiated. 406 00:43:59,910 --> 00:44:02,460 After that, it would go to, if yes, 407 00:44:03,721 --> 00:44:07,080 should the board inform Angela the allegations have been substantiated and that 408 00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:11,160 she's to refrain from any further behavior, or no, there's nothing further to do. 409 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:15,810 If yes, the board then determines if the completion of this third step is 410 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,760 sufficient to stop continued violations. 411 00:44:17,851 --> 00:44:20,280 So that's basically the motion you're making. 412 00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:25,050 The motion would be the third option, that, well- 413 00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:25,351 Okay 414 00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:27,090 ... I don't have it in front of me, but yeah. 415 00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:35,760 So we can move to that. We can move, unless Eric or Aaliyah has anything 416 00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:36,690 they would like to add. 417 00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:39,570 There's a motion. Do we need a second? 418 00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:40,351 There was a motion. It was never seconded. 419 00:44:40,410 --> 00:44:41,250 Want a second? 420 00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:42,840 Can we clarify what the motion was? 421 00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:43,650 Okay. 422 00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:49,290 I think we were trying to move to that step. 423 00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:50,910 I was trying to move to that step, essentially. 424 00:44:50,971 --> 00:44:54,360 So it would be just-- So I'll rephrase it, and then you can tell me if it's right 425 00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:59,130 or not, okay? The motion is for the board to determine if the completion of this 426 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,910 third step of BG is sufficient to stop continued violations. 427 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,840 That is my motion. Is there a second? 428 00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:07,440 Second. 429 00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:11,880 Okay. So is there any discussion? 430 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,260 Yes. 431 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:13,890 Eric. 432 00:45:17,550 --> 00:45:21,690 For the record, you guys know this, but I had hoped as well that this could be 433 00:45:22,050 --> 00:45:27,870 resolved outside of a public meeting. 434 00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:32,370 Angela, the documents that we've been provided from the attorney, are those all 435 00:45:32,491 --> 00:45:34,380 accurate to your knowledge? 436 00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:34,590 Yep. 437 00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:34,980 Okay. 438 00:45:38,070 --> 00:45:41,520 As Michael alluded to earlier, I think intent is important. 439 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:48,750 Some of the things in the ethics commission email that were removed, to me, is just 440 00:45:50,580 --> 00:45:53,430 friendly fluff from the person who responded. 441 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:57,991 But I don't think materially-- It's not guidance. 442 00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:00,780 It's just preface to the guidance. 443 00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:06,420 There's a couple things that are guidance that were changed, it appears. 444 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:08,820 Can you help me understand 445 00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:15,510 why- Are those changes accurate? Was there intent there? 446 00:46:17,129 --> 00:46:23,040 No. I cut and pasted. The three points of the response were, one, this 447 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:28,800 isn't a matter for OGEIC. Two, if there is ever the potential 448 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,730 for conflict, you should disclose, and the third one was something irrelevant. 449 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:37,320 So in attempting to quickly summarize those, those are the points that I put 450 00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:41,610 forward. There was no intent. And I went back and read them over and over again. 451 00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,721 I don't believe that the words sent to the board materially change what the 452 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,880 response from OGEIC was. 453 00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:55,560 My initial reaction was as well. Nothing really came of the guidance. 454 00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:57,870 We didn't change anything we did. 455 00:46:59,580 --> 00:47:04,290 The things that are potentially material, there was a change from a 456 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,770 "has 457 00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:13,080 had a pending or active legal claim" to a "could have." 458 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,400 So a slight change in context from a definite situation to a potential situation. 459 00:47:20,940 --> 00:47:23,160 And then there was another reference to 460 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,550 if there is a material conflict of interest, a board member 461 00:47:29,610 --> 00:47:34,890 must declare that and then refrain from 462 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,380 discussion or debate and may not vote. 463 00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:43,860 And then there was a part that was removed, unless a vote is required to satisfy 464 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,000 a minimum vote. 465 00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:47,669 The matter didn't have anything to do with voting, so 466 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:51,420 I didn't find that to be relevant. 467 00:47:52,890 --> 00:47:53,130 Okay. 468 00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:59,700 It's my understanding that the implied intent is inaccurate, and so 469 00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:05,910 if, in this case, if she didn't know that it was a 470 00:48:05,971 --> 00:48:11,790 public document that she was altering, then it wasn't her intent to 471 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:12,601 commit fraud. 472 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,410 And I wasn't there for the first and second step. 473 00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:22,830 If that was made clear to her then, I'm trying to understand 474 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:27,510 what is the goal, and what are you all trying to accomplish by bringing this 475 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:32,160 forward in this meeting and spending time discussing it? What is the goal? 476 00:48:33,870 --> 00:48:38,370 Sunny's was accountability. I had requested specific training, which has since 477 00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:41,550 occurred, which I discovered and was told about yesterday. 478 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,060 So then if you were told about it yesterday... 479 00:48:46,890 --> 00:48:51,930 Let me rephrase that. If I was told that prior to this meeting, and I was the board 480 00:48:51,991 --> 00:48:57,900 chair, I would amend this special meeting not to include that complaint because 481 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,741 it sounds like the complaint had already been satisfied, and that knowledge was 482 00:49:01,890 --> 00:49:03,930 brought forth prior to this meeting. 483 00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:08,250 What I did was disclose that she let me know that she had taken the extra training, 484 00:49:08,310 --> 00:49:09,721 but this meeting had already been scheduled. 485 00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:11,700 I had hoped to not even have to have the meeting. 486 00:49:12,180 --> 00:49:18,090 Oh, very well then. But I've seen meeting agendas change same day since I've 487 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,550 been on the board. So that's why I don't understand what the goal was, if the 488 00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:27,601 action necessary to satisfy the complaint had been provided. 489 00:49:27,659 --> 00:49:32,491 And so it leaves people with the impression that the point was to have it in public 490 00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:36,780 in this way. I'm not making that accusation, but it might lead one to believe that. 491 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,120 And so I think that it's important identifying what the goal was, if that was 492 00:49:42,180 --> 00:49:46,620 already satisfied, and then why discuss it here? 493 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,930 But you don't have to answer that. Sunny, please, I deeply want to understand 494 00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:56,640 what was it that you were trying to accomplish by bringing this to a third step so 495 00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:59,520 that the board could have this discussion? 496 00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:06,241 Because accountability would typically apply, I would think, if the intent was to 497 00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:10,830 do something wrong. What I have heard this evening is that this board director has 498 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:14,580 been acting in good faith, who is a new board director who is learning the ropes, 499 00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:19,560 and I would like to consider giving this board director grace in that regard. 500 00:50:20,010 --> 00:50:24,420 Her intent is clear that she was just attempting to communicate a message in the 501 00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:30,420 most effective way possible. So if any of that was made apparent in step one and 502 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,190 step two, lastly, 503 00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:38,010 what does accountability look like in a material way at this point? 504 00:50:38,670 --> 00:50:40,560 That was not my understanding. 505 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:47,400 The guidance that I got from multiple attorneys was that this was a 506 00:50:47,491 --> 00:50:52,830 serious infraction, changing a letter from the Oregon Ethics Committee, sending 507 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,310 information to the Oregon Ethics Committee that was false. 508 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,920 Those are two pretty serious infractions. 509 00:50:59,460 --> 00:50:59,700 And- 510 00:50:59,790 --> 00:51:02,670 What information was false? I'm sorry, I don't remember us discussing that. 511 00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:03,450 What information was false? 512 00:51:03,721 --> 00:51:07,950 Okay. Those are things that we can't discuss because they were talked about in the- 513 00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:09,721 Executive session. 514 00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:15,240 Well, that's important because we're in public, and we're levying an accusation. 515 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:22,170 It's also in the packet that you got, but there were things in there that were 516 00:51:22,231 --> 00:51:22,800 not true. 517 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,570 I just think that it's fair if we say publicly in a public indictment, which that 518 00:51:27,601 --> 00:51:33,060 indictment is, that false information was submitted in the beginning, 519 00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:37,830 that puts another person at a disadvantage when they can't clarify whether or not 520 00:51:37,891 --> 00:51:41,430 they were submitting that original information and whether or not it was false. 521 00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:45,420 And those were the things that were removed from the document. 522 00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:50,160 And the other important point is the thing that Sunny had specifically requested is 523 00:51:50,221 --> 00:51:53,430 an acknowledgement that the change was made. And I disagree. 524 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,960 I don't think changing a government ethics letter is petty. 525 00:51:58,201 --> 00:52:00,990 I don't think it's petty at all. It's a very important document. 526 00:52:01,020 --> 00:52:04,410 It's a public-facing document on the ethics commission, and it's an issue of 527 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:06,451 modifying an ethics letter. 528 00:52:06,510 --> 00:52:10,410 All I asked from the beginning was to understand that this was wrong, we don't do 529 00:52:10,471 --> 00:52:14,340 this, and that our communications are forthcoming because I feel like that's 530 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,430 important to the board. I'm not trying to do anything more than that. 531 00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:22,110 I'm not asking for any level of punishment. I don't think that's appropriate. 532 00:52:23,971 --> 00:52:28,981 All I'm saying is that we make sure that our communications are ethical, that 533 00:52:29,010 --> 00:52:31,410 they're clear, and that we hold ourselves accountable. 534 00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:33,060 It's literally all I'm asking. 535 00:52:33,810 --> 00:52:34,110 And- 536 00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:38,820 And that's what happened right at this meeting, where Angela acknowledged that she 537 00:52:38,851 --> 00:52:39,660 shouldn't have made the changes. 538 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,490 In the last communication to the board, 539 00:52:42,690 --> 00:52:46,500 that didn't come through. It said, "This is what Sunny says." It wasn't a, "I 540 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,601 understand this is wrong. I'm not going to do this again." 541 00:52:50,010 --> 00:52:50,130 Yeah. 542 00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:51,840 It was, "This is what Sunny thinks." 543 00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:57,750 I'm just saying that not that changing a government document, that's not what I 544 00:52:57,810 --> 00:53:02,040 said was petty. All of this is. It seems like this is something that should've been 545 00:53:02,101 --> 00:53:02,370 resolved- 546 00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:05,130 I don't want to do this either. None of us want to be here. 547 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:05,701 Okay. So then let's just- 548 00:53:05,701 --> 00:53:05,701 Well, let's move on. 549 00:53:05,701 --> 00:53:11,340 ... moving forward because I have acknowledged, we've had our 550 00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:15,660 discussion. Kendall's had a chance to clarify what it is that she's seeking out. 551 00:53:16,231 --> 00:53:18,240 Let's move to the next step. 552 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:19,260 Well, I'm pretty sure we're with it, yeah. 553 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:20,280 Yeah. 554 00:53:20,310 --> 00:53:25,680 The first time it was said that she admitted that this was wrong, "I'm not going to 555 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:29,340 do it," was a few minutes ago. So that's good. We're good. 556 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,280 So vote. 557 00:53:34,110 --> 00:53:34,891 Roll call, Jody. 558 00:53:35,221 --> 00:53:35,580 We're good. 559 00:53:35,641 --> 00:53:37,740 Oh, wait, wait. Do we need to restate the motion? 560 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:38,610 Please. 561 00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:45,120 So we know it, yes or no? Okay. The motion was that the board has determined 562 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:48,810 that the completion of the third step of BBG is sufficient to stop continued 563 00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:50,250 violations. Correct? 564 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:50,820 Correct. 565 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:51,900 Okay. Now we're voting on that. 566 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,951 I'm sorry. Can you just state a yes vote means and a no vote means? 567 00:53:56,221 --> 00:53:58,080 Yes vote means that the board- 568 00:53:58,800 --> 00:53:59,400 The matter's done 569 00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:04,201 ... the matter is done, and if it's a no vote, then we proceed to step four and 570 00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:07,500 deal with dismissal, admonition, censure. 571 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,210 Correct. 572 00:54:11,370 --> 00:54:12,750 Okay. Everybody got that? 573 00:54:13,471 --> 00:54:13,650 We're good. 574 00:54:13,740 --> 00:54:15,451 All right. Board Director Johnson. 575 00:54:17,550 --> 00:54:17,851 Yes. 576 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:19,170 Cabrero. 577 00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:19,650 Yes. 578 00:54:20,340 --> 00:54:20,731 Spicer. 579 00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:21,360 Yes. 580 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,860 Linnea McHenry. 581 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,280 Yes. 582 00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:23,971 Williams. 583 00:54:24,030 --> 00:54:24,240 Yes. 584 00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:25,320 McKowski. 585 00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:25,740 Yes. 586 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,250 Ferguson. 587 00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:27,000 Yes. 588 00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:27,750 Motion carries. 589 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,130 And that concludes. There being no further business before the board, this meeting 590 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:39,750 is adjourned. We will reconvene at 6:15 for the regular board meeting.