1 00:07:48,620 --> 00:07:49,400 Just to join up. 2 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,220 Tony, did you let everybody know that the chat shows up on the screen in the council chambers 3 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:05,060 and gets broadcast? 4 00:08:11,380 --> 00:08:13,160 So you're not chatting privately. 5 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:42,680 Hello, everybody. 6 00:08:50,110 --> 00:08:51,470 Here's Kathy's whole head. 7 00:08:51,970 --> 00:08:52,310 How nice. 8 00:08:55,020 --> 00:08:55,440 Good to see you. 9 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,380 Long time no see. 10 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:01,820 Now she's escaping. 11 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:08,660 And Judy's audio is working right up from the get-go. 12 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:10,520 Cool. 13 00:09:10,900 --> 00:09:11,400 I'm quiet. 14 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:11,520 All right. 15 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,340 Give us all enough time and we'll get organized. 16 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:15,900 Yep. 17 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:20,910 Anybody heard from Riley? 18 00:09:22,510 --> 00:09:23,270 No. 19 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,140 I've got after 12. 20 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:40,060 So, Tony indicated that we're recording. 21 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,720 So, Kathy, if you could make sure we're starting, 22 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,100 let Riley join us. 23 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,000 Okay, on record. 24 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:55,240 record. All right, well, let me call to order the this special city of Lincoln City City 25 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:07,480 Council meeting of June 19th Friday, 2020, and it's noon. And Kathy, could you verbalize 26 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:16,460 role? Dick Anderson. Yeah, Judy Casper. Here, Piana Hinton. Here. Riley Holdland, 27 00:10:16,460 --> 00:10:20,260 And maybe here shortly or is he here? 28 00:10:20,460 --> 00:10:21,240 No, I don't see him. 29 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,700 Diane Fuss. 30 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:23,360 Here. 31 00:10:24,260 --> 00:10:25,000 Rick Mark. 32 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:25,600 Here. 33 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:26,660 And Mitch Parsons. 34 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,380 Here. 35 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:28,520 Great. 36 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:33,840 All right, well, I think to remind everybody, 37 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,820 the chat feature on Zoom is a public feature. 38 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,300 So any kind of chat you do inside that component 39 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,940 and it is visible to the public. 40 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,320 And we've called this meeting really in anticipation 41 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:55,760 of another meeting we've got at 130 42 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,600 with the other cities and county for a joint meeting. 43 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,260 And we wanted to be able to discuss the items 44 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,540 prior to that meeting. 45 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:10,660 And as I recall, there's two, the 24 hour hold 46 00:11:10,660 --> 00:11:17,480 And then, you know, potentially downsizing, you know, group sizes of the two items. 47 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,340 Is that correct, Mr. Chandler? 48 00:11:23,420 --> 00:11:24,260 Yes, it is. 49 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:24,960 Okay. 50 00:11:25,420 --> 00:11:25,980 Mr. Mayor? 51 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:26,680 Yes. 52 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:34,060 I've also asked that we talk a little bit about enforcement for the mask-wearing just 53 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:37,700 to bring it up because I've been getting quite a few questions about that. 54 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:39,560 So I just at least want to have a conversation. 55 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:40,840 All right. 56 00:11:41,620 --> 00:11:48,760 Well, since there's really not a lot of this, I mean, all we can do is information at this 57 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:56,040 point on the face coverings, Ron and Chief Palmer, perhaps if you could help us better 58 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,500 understand the governor's edict and. 59 00:12:01,570 --> 00:12:02,250 Yes. 60 00:12:03,510 --> 00:12:09,970 So this, this had originally been on the county's joint meeting, but it was taken 61 00:12:09,970 --> 00:12:16,950 off when the governor issued her executive order requiring masks in our or face coverings in our 62 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:25,350 county. We got some information today that shed some more light on what this actually means. 63 00:12:26,270 --> 00:12:32,030 It requires face coverings, face 64 00:12:34,850 --> 00:12:41,590 coverings, face shields, and masks in businesses that were 65 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:48,070 listed. Now the term business is an interesting one and it also goes to the reason why the 66 00:12:48,070 --> 00:12:54,330 county pulled us from the agenda. The businesses are listed as grocery stores, fitness related 67 00:12:54,330 --> 00:13:00,550 organizations, pharmacies, public transportation agencies and providers, personal service 68 00:13:00,550 --> 00:13:07,190 providers, restaurants, bars, breweries, group hubs, wineries, tasting rooms and distilleries. 69 00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:09,430 And then this was the one I found most interesting, 70 00:13:09,970 --> 00:13:13,050 retail stores, shopping centers, 71 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:16,530 and malls, ride sharing services. 72 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:22,390 The retail store was the one that caught my interest the most 73 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:25,370 because that is the broadest one. 74 00:13:26,270 --> 00:13:31,450 And so it would affect most of our businesses. 75 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:42,970 The business is required for masks to be worn by mask face coverings, shields to be worn 76 00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:46,690 by employees, contractors, volunteers, communities, and visitors. 77 00:13:48,190 --> 00:13:52,730 They are to provide masks, face shields, or face coverings for their employees. 78 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:58,510 They are required to pull signs about the face mask, shield, or face covering. 79 00:13:58,510 --> 00:14:06,390 Now, we did a survey this week where we went out and looked at dozens of businesses throughout 80 00:14:06,390 --> 00:14:14,610 the community, and what we found was that very few have a sign up that is requiring 81 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:17,710 or masks or are requiring masks. 82 00:14:18,330 --> 00:14:27,350 We only found two that are actually using the signs that we printed and provided, and 83 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:39,350 And two had other signs, so we did not find that there was a widespread requirements by 84 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:45,730 the businesses, so this would change that and then it would now make it a requirement and 85 00:14:45,730 --> 00:14:47,510 make it a requirement to put up signs. 86 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,190 They're also to provide at no cost at least disposable face coverings for customers or 87 00:14:55,190 --> 00:14:56,990 or visitors who do not have one. 88 00:14:58,190 --> 00:14:58,750 Okay. 89 00:15:00,110 --> 00:15:06,190 There are some exceptions to that, and there are some differentiations between the public 90 00:15:06,190 --> 00:15:11,090 as those who are under 12 and those who are 12 and older. 91 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:15,910 The biggest question, and we knew this one was going to come up, and we have been looking 92 00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:24,830 for information, is about enforcement. And there really is not much information out 93 00:15:24,830 --> 00:15:30,070 there at all. According to the executive orders, 94 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:38,830 the failure to comply with an executive order 95 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:47,750 falls under two provisions, the state code, three provisions, but two particular, they 96 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:57,970 They fall under the health care ordinance provisions, which is in ORS 43-1A-10, and then 97 00:15:57,970 --> 00:16:07,190 they fall under ORS 401-990, which makes a violation a Class C misdemeanor, which is 98 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:14,970 subject according to that of $1,250 fine and up to 30 days in jail. 99 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:25,830 Now, as I also looked through the health care laws associated with this, specifically this 100 00:16:25,830 --> 00:16:36,830 one that is identified as BARS 43 1A 010, I was looking for requirements of local law 101 00:16:36,830 --> 00:16:37,330 enforcement. 102 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:43,250 In other words, who is actually responsible for enforcing this? 103 00:16:43,330 --> 00:16:44,470 Is it our police department? 104 00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:46,390 Is it the health administration? 105 00:16:47,370 --> 00:16:49,870 Just who actually is the one that's responsible? 106 00:16:50,750 --> 00:16:56,470 And what I found in that is that under the health administration, 107 00:17:00,630 --> 00:17:03,790 the health department is the one responsible, 108 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:09,810 but it also states that they will be assisted to the extent that resources are available. 109 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:14,690 State and local law enforcement officials to the extent resources are available must 110 00:17:14,690 --> 00:17:22,110 assist the Oregon Health Authority and local public health administrators in ensuring compliance 111 00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:22,970 with the law. 112 00:17:23,910 --> 00:17:25,070 So that's what I found. 113 00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:28,410 Rinter may be able to shed a little bit more light on the legal end of it. 114 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:38,470 Now, the chief has been working with the state police in trying to know how to go forward 115 00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:41,630 with this, because ultimately one of the challenges is resources. 116 00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:46,690 And so, Chief, do you want to tell them what guidance the state has been giving to you 117 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:46,890 guys? 118 00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:55,330 Yeah, it's, you know, this obviously will have a ripple effect throughout the state 119 00:17:55,330 --> 00:18:02,970 of this not approached carefully. And believe me when I say that there is other pressures 120 00:18:02,970 --> 00:18:10,230 coming to bear on law enforcement when it comes to what's going on right now. But the guidance 121 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:15,870 we had initially got has not been rescinded and there was actually when the county was 122 00:18:15,870 --> 00:18:20,710 looking at putting theirs out before the latest government thing come out, it really 123 00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:28,390 came right out and said that the county rule was a kind of a forget the term they 124 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:33,790 use voluntary directed and and that we would keep an eye on it but it was the 125 00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:36,870 whole purpose of behind this paragraph they put in there is to make that a 126 00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:42,890 self-policing thing and not have law enforcement out chasing individuals down 127 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:48,670 the street and issuing citations for no mask. We you know you've kind of 128 00:18:48,670 --> 00:18:53,870 seen what's been going on since March with just trying to keep up with VRD 129 00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:59,830 complaints and hotel complaints and now the 24-hour rule and you know fortunately 130 00:18:59,830 --> 00:19:05,150 the vast majority of those were were unfounded but it still takes a resource 131 00:19:05,150 --> 00:19:09,870 and when you've got three or four three officers and a sergeant if you you're 132 00:19:09,870 --> 00:19:15,910 having a good day or three officers and and you're spreading out to go 133 00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:22,090 chase people not wearing masks in open areas like walking down the sidewalk and 134 00:19:22,090 --> 00:19:27,770 that sort of thing we're just not going to be able to keep up with that you know 135 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:33,910 and so it's a catch-22 I mean if we go out there and we start confronting 136 00:19:33,910 --> 00:19:39,390 people and especially if we start issuing citations it could be interesting 137 00:19:39,390 --> 00:19:45,190 to see what that reaction is now that whether it's right or wrong we're 138 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:49,710 coming to the end of a period of time where people have been cooped up and locked in their 139 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:55,150 houses and not talking to people. I mean, I just hold myself up as an example. I mean, 140 00:19:55,790 --> 00:20:00,490 my wife has not had face-to-face contact with about two people since the end of February 141 00:20:00,490 --> 00:20:06,510 because of an immunization or an immunocompromised situation. So I know there's lots of people 142 00:20:06,510 --> 00:20:15,110 out there. And the doctors are saying this is a real thing. But it's a tough thing to 143 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:20,050 decide. I'm glad I'm not the one making the decision as to what we're going to do here, 144 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:25,990 but I will tell you this will be a very distinct challenge to try to enforce. 145 00:20:29,060 --> 00:20:34,080 So Ron, you were speaking, when you went through this, you were speaking of the 146 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,500 Governor's latest mandate, not the county's directive, right? 147 00:20:40,020 --> 00:20:40,400 I was. 148 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:44,180 The chief, when he talked, he spoke of the two of them, 149 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,820 but they are distinct from each other. 150 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,980 The one I was reading from specifically 151 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:49,900 was the latest guidance we received 152 00:20:49,900 --> 00:20:54,200 about the governor's directive on masks, face shields, 153 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,420 and face coverings. 154 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,660 And I would assume that's the overriding one 155 00:20:58,660 --> 00:21:01,580 that we should have in front of us. 156 00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:07,620 It is. As a matter of fact, yeah, it is the overriding one. As a matter of fact, as I understand 157 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:13,620 the county's directive, that is applying in the unincorporated parts of the county and 158 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:17,040 not the cities because we have not agreed to it. 159 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,800 And I take you back also to, you know, the prior to phase one and as we're trying to 160 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:28,920 think about approaching phase two, I mean, the directive that we got initially from 161 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,740 in the governor's office and in conjunction with working with Oregon State Sheriff's Association, 162 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:39,840 the Oregon Association of Chiefs of Police, and Oregon State Police and DOJ was, as we 163 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:47,020 ramped up, these new rules as far as 24-hour rules are opening up the hotels or the face 164 00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:54,100 shield thing. The guidance has been and remains at this time to use contacts as 165 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:58,140 a teaching moment and not go out and be be heavy-handed with this bill. 166 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:02,700 Mr. Apichello, did you have something you wanted to? 167 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:13,100 Yeah, I just want to point out again that, you know, what Ron talked about, the 431A specifically has 168 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:19,600 is its enforcement mechanism, the issuance of notices of violation by health officers. 169 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:27,660 officers. So, and this is the directive from the Oregon Health Authority of face coverings. 170 00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:38,280 My guess is that the way it's to be enforced is pursuant to 431A. I'm going to agree with 171 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:45,820 the Chief that I don't know that the intention is to have officers issue misdemeanor citations 172 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:53,080 for face masks that it looks like you can get a civil administrative penalty from the 173 00:22:53,080 --> 00:23:01,520 Oregon Health Authority. I don't really see it as being set up to be enforced criminally. 174 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:10,120 The biggest challenge that we face with the questions that we get and the complaints 175 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:16,180 that we receive go right to the heart of what Richard and the chief are talking about are 176 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:25,100 the people who call and complain don't make a distinction between a police issue and a health 177 00:23:25,100 --> 00:23:32,240 authority issue and so that's perhaps the guidance that I was looking for the most so that 178 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,220 as we get calls we know either how to deal with them such as sending them to the health 179 00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:43,080 the authority or to direct people to the health authority. That's been the hardest part because 180 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,320 when we get those calls, people don't make the distinction. They just say somebody's 181 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,540 breaking the rules. 182 00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:50,140 Right. 183 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:56,500 And the other part of it is that if it's a business in particular, our directive was 184 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:02,220 to encourage the complainant to reach out to OSHA or for us if they're unwilling 185 00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:05,880 to do that, we can take as much information as they're willing to give us. And I'll 186 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,980 I'll tell you one of the hardest things to get in these complaints is somebody that wants 187 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:14,220 to stand up and be a witness and testify against this person if the citation goes to court, 188 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,380 because a lot of these people are employed by the same people they're complaining about. 189 00:24:19,860 --> 00:24:23,380 But that's what we've done with the last couple of reports that we've taken, like 190 00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:24,520 on the 24-hour rule. 191 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:31,740 We've generated the information, we've directed it to the OSHA link that we were 192 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:40,640 were told to by OACP and OSSA, and then we've also educated some of the people that are 193 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,480 complaining that they're seeing this, that they have the ability to call OS, OSHA, direct 194 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,080 themselves and file those complaints. 195 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:54,560 I guess the number one concern I have, and neither one of you kind of talked about 196 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:02,060 or none of you, is the third enforcement component, and that's the vigilante citizen's arrest. 197 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:10,620 And that is more concerning to me because of a lot of things you said have pent up, 198 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:20,320 and certainly the people who are certainly pro-mask, pro-face coverings, I can see 199 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,280 face-to-face confrontation and I have a little you know how we're going to deal 200 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,640 with that and that's going to keep you busy. And that's actually what I kind of 201 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,180 was pleasantly surprised with when I read the county's order follow up 202 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:39,460 yesterday before they rescinded it because the update from the governor 203 00:25:39,460 --> 00:25:43,040 but I'm assuming it was Wayne Belmont put it in there but there's a 204 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,960 paragraph about three or four sentences from the end of that document 205 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:52,720 It just says that, again, I forget the term, but this is a voluntary compliance thing and 206 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:59,200 in no way is this intended for this to be sending police officers out to enforce this. 207 00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:05,020 Private citizen or anybody else, this is just information of how important this is 208 00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:09,820 and it's up to the voluntary compliance of our citizens to follow through it, but it 209 00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:15,300 literally points out there is no authority by anybody to confront, be confrontational 210 00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:16,160 about this issue. 211 00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:19,610 Eanna, you had a question? 212 00:26:20,130 --> 00:26:20,570 I do. 213 00:26:21,610 --> 00:26:22,350 And I'm not sure. 214 00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:23,430 Maybe it's for Richard. 215 00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:29,670 I was assuming that when the governor put out 216 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:33,150 her directive for face coverings and included Lincoln 217 00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:35,870 County, that it was all of Lincoln County including 218 00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:40,950 the cities and not just Lincoln County unincorporated. 219 00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:44,390 That's correct. 220 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:46,510 The thing that I was referring to 221 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:49,650 was the initial directive that the county was going to put out? 222 00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:58,650 I think the county directive is moot at this point because we have a more specific Oregon 223 00:26:58,650 --> 00:27:07,550 health authority document that basically says in Lincoln County, a customer employee 224 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:08,910 doesn't matter. 225 00:27:08,910 --> 00:27:17,330 And that's Oregon Health Authority Directive, and I think it's enforceable under 431A. 226 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:22,550 I think you can get a notice of violation from a health officer. 227 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:27,430 I think if they need the help of the police department, they will ask. 228 00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:34,950 And maybe I see it as calls going to the health authority that there's a business 229 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:41,050 in Lincoln City that's not enforcing the mask requirement and then they would go 230 00:27:41,050 --> 00:27:46,490 there I don't really see it as people getting chased down the street like you 231 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:49,390 didn't have a mask on when you were in this business I think they'll go to the 232 00:27:49,390 --> 00:27:54,630 business and give the business a violation and put it on the business 233 00:27:54,630 --> 00:28:00,010 that they got to tell people when they come in here's your mask put it on 234 00:28:00,010 --> 00:28:05,950 And if you don't get out, I think that's how it's going to be. 235 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:11,030 It's going to be on the business to enforce or they're going to face the fines. 236 00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:14,170 Okay. Mr. Mark, you had a question. 237 00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:26,990 Yeah, just two thoughts that I think you're running to, Richard could help me. 238 00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:38,250 You run into issues if citations are given in kind of a spotty fashion, and then someone 239 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:42,790 who gets a citation can say, well, why didn't they – I wasn't treated equally, you know, 240 00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:45,890 because there were 80 percent of the people without masks. 241 00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:47,070 They never got citations. 242 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:50,830 I don't know if that's – but my – I've made more practical concerns. 243 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:58,310 is can we make the signs mandatory require businesses to post the sign or something like 244 00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:59,030 that? 245 00:28:59,030 --> 00:28:59,510 No. 246 00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:02,410 Go ahead, Bob. 247 00:29:03,050 --> 00:29:09,390 So under the guidance that we received today from the state, signs are mandatory. 248 00:29:10,910 --> 00:29:13,650 It states that the 249 00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:22,660 must post, let's see, so a business is required to post clear 250 00:29:22,660 --> 00:29:31,660 signs about the mask, face shield or face covering requirements. Now I don't know if either the 251 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:40,000 county or the state has produced any signs as samples, but ours are still certainly available, 252 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:48,500 but they are required to post clear signs. Okay, that's good. As of Monday when Ron 253 00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:56,740 and the staff were trying to do a kind of impromptu survey of how the signs were being 254 00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:57,120 posted. 255 00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:59,880 I will say that I didn't see a single open. 256 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Business from South 23rd to 7 Gables that didn't have some kind of posting as to what they were 257 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,520 expecting out of customers to come in there. Some of them, it limited the amount of customers 258 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,320 that come in and had lines out front with lines painted on the ground for social distancing. 259 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:24,220 And most of those people standing in line that I saw were wearing masks there. But I never 260 00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:30,420 saw a single business with a sign that posted, you have to wear a mask in here or must come 261 00:30:30,420 --> 00:30:33,560 in. I heard in another place in town we found two of those, but. 262 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:41,420 Uh, Judy. Yeah, for what it's worth, I was in the Chamber of Commerce the other day 263 00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:46,440 to pick up my handy dandy face shield, and I asked them about the masks, you know, no 264 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,540 shirt, no shoes, and they said they were picking him up quite, you know, quite readily. 265 00:30:51,540 --> 00:30:57,240 So, between the time the governor gave her declaration and today, I think more people 266 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,260 are going in to maybe adhere to what she's posting. 267 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:06,240 And they said, more businesses were picking up the signs about the warnings. 268 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,920 So I think maybe we might see an insurge of the use of posting. 269 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:12,760 Okay. 270 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:20,600 But, you know, could we, in managing the time, because this was just a kind of information 271 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,840 because we've got the governor but you know we limit it now Deanna can you 272 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,160 finish up and then we'll move to the next topic yeah I just have been asked by 273 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,860 one of the County Commissioners if we could share our sign with them and 274 00:31:35,860 --> 00:31:41,340 perhaps even other cities the design of it and furthermore if we could add the 275 00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:47,160 governor's order or whatever is the directive you know that makes these 276 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:55,520 signs mandatory to hang up, to put up in the businesses. And I just have a, that's one question. 277 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:01,900 The next one is more of a statement. I think it would be a really good message to visitors 278 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:09,340 and people who are shopping in all the stores if we have that one, that one sign everywhere. 279 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:15,500 So people are getting the message that, that the businesses are all together. The city 280 00:32:15,500 --> 00:32:24,160 supports this and well of course the county and the governor but just to have one sign 281 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,120 and I know that there's a few different signs made by the businesses but if we could make 282 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,340 an effort to make sure that they get one of ours and if we could change it and if we 283 00:32:35,340 --> 00:32:39,860 could make that graphic available to the county and other cities. 284 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:49,340 all right okay so could we move on then to topics that will be talking with the 285 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:57,000 city or the other cities and county and that's the 24-hour hold issue and Ron 286 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,740 can you set that up I can so 287 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,880 so 288 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,540 in the two orders that we've had that dealt 289 00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:27,120 with this. The county orders number 421-185-2136. In the appendix, there was a provision that 290 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:35,040 required a minimum 24 hold be maintained between checkout and the time the room is cleaned 291 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:42,500 and put out for rental again. What will be discussed with the council, and that was 292 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,520 for hotels and short-term rentals, VRDs, 293 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:48,340 bed practices and home chairs. 294 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:52,000 But the commissioners have before them 295 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,300 and you have a copy of that is to strike that provision 296 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,600 and replace it with or amended requirements. 297 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,440 So it lists the restrictions and then it will have 298 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,760 and instead of the language about the 24-hour rule, 299 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,000 rule, it would just simply say or amended requirements. 300 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,660 Now, Councilor Mark had asked me a question 301 00:34:19,340 --> 00:34:23,620 a few days ago about the basis for this decision 302 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,680 or this requirement. 303 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:29,860 Ken and I, and I've also sent in from, 304 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,560 had asked Wayne Belmont this question, 305 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:35,820 what was the basis for this? 306 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,320 I had already sent to you the information 307 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,640 from the Oregon Recreational Lodging Association 308 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,860 and I believe you have a copy of a letter 309 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,780 that was sent back where they have removed that provision 310 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,600 and said we didn't really mean it basically 311 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:56,780 and felt that the cleaning procedures were adequate 312 00:34:57,740 --> 00:35:00,720 and if there's a timeframe it should only be 15 minutes. 313 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,140 We have looked through the CDC guidelines, 314 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,020 we have looked through the county's guidelines, 315 00:35:08,020 --> 00:35:14,680 health departments and we've looked through the OHA for that and we have not 316 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:20,480 found anything that specifically refers to a 24-hour waiting period. I asked 317 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,980 again Wayne Belmont if he had any information and he has not provided me 318 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:31,200 with anything. It might be a good question to ask him at the meeting but 319 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,920 we could not find something that was specifically associated with that. 320 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:48,460 Could you, what the amendments are, what are they specifically recommending the county in 321 00:35:48,460 --> 00:35:48,940 lieu of? 322 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,060 He didn't have any extra language in there, it just says we're amended requirements. 323 00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:55,240 Yeah, okay. 324 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:07,140 All right, so I guess on the table then would be for us would be a discussion with the 325 00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:13,680 You know, on that 24-hour hold, how we feel about it, and then, you know, spending on that, 326 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,720 be able to relay that at the joint meeting. 327 00:36:18,780 --> 00:36:20,340 Judy, you have your hand up. 328 00:36:20,540 --> 00:36:20,820 Did you? 329 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,160 Okay. 330 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:22,840 No? 331 00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:24,180 All right. 332 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:26,120 Rick, did you? 333 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,440 Yeah. 334 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:32,720 So, and I pointed this out in the chat at the beginning of the meeting, and I started 335 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:33,600 I'm not sure if I was saying this earlier, 336 00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:35,020 but just before 12 o'clock, 337 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,360 I sent everybody an email which copied an email 338 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,540 I sent to the commissioners 339 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:43,000 and it's included on their public input. 340 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:47,900 And maybe I should preface this by saying, 341 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,220 I'm not at all sure what to do. 342 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,580 But in terms of the basis or the authority 343 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:58,100 for the 24 hour rule, 344 00:36:58,720 --> 00:36:59,880 when I looked around, 345 00:36:59,980 --> 00:37:02,460 I found something from the American Hotel 346 00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:09,160 and Lodging Association. Their guidelines, this was published two weeks ago, not quite 347 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:09,820 three weeks ago. 348 00:37:12,910 --> 00:37:15,050 They took their guidance from the CDC. 349 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:18,770 Now, this guidance refers to 350 00:37:18,770 --> 00:37:24,690 and when we had our county-wide meeting, we heard from a county health official, I don't 351 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:30,920 know if it was Rebecca or whoever it was, who said that the guidance, and this applies 352 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:40,420 if a guest is COVID positive. And if that's the case, then the CDC recommends or calls 353 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:49,140 for a 24-hour period after the guest leaves before the room is rented out. And this thing 354 00:37:49,140 --> 00:37:54,360 I found from the American Hotel and Lodging Association repeats that guidance. 355 00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:57,950 As I said 356 00:37:57,950 --> 00:38:00,190 at the bottom of my comment, 357 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:05,540 sort of, you know, I don't know if that's the question 358 00:38:05,540 --> 00:38:10,380 is the phrase, but how many guests are coming to hotels and announcing at the desk that 359 00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:17,300 they're COVID positive, number one? Number two, we just had two weeks ago 500% increase 360 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:23,780 in cases in the county. Most of those were people who are asymptomatic. 361 00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:27,680 I think it's 362 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,420 a fair assumption to say that we've got people coming and staying in our hotel rooms 363 00:38:32,420 --> 00:38:36,700 who are carrying the virus and are asymptomatic and no one knows who doesn't, who doesn't. 364 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,980 That all said, I mean, I literally woke up in the middle of the night thinking, 365 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,160 I take 366 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,840 these messages running from the hotel owners to heart and I understand the grief we're 367 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,120 causing with this. 368 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,360 So I do not really have, I don't really know what to do about this. 369 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,080 I just, so I just want to make this point that there, this doesn't come out of thin 370 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,320 air. 371 00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:03,640 This wasn't just made up. 372 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:09,920 there is a basis for the rule. Whether it's the right thing to do to apply it or not, 373 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,400 I'd like to hear what other people think. 374 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,160 Mitch, you have your hand up. 375 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:24,040 Yeah, originally when this came up, I voted no, and still for removing the 24-hour hold, 376 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:32,280 just simply based on nowhere else are we foreseeing any other industry or business to 377 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,260 to pretend that everybody is possibly positive 378 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:37,540 and clean accordingly. 379 00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:41,380 This is the only industry, the only segment of an industry 380 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,040 where we're applying that rule. 381 00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:45,160 Good point. 382 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,060 Judy, you? 383 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:52,120 Yeah, I voted in favor of it initially, 384 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,660 and now I'm thinking to remove it. 385 00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:57,200 I've spoken to several of the housekeepers 386 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,780 and asked them if they were concerned about it. 387 00:39:59,780 --> 00:40:09,600 And they said no, not really because they had all the equipment and the clothing and when they went in and cleaned and they were trained to clean and they hit the surface areas. 388 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:18,520 And they wanted to know where the 24 hour rule came from. It was medically necessary. They were given bonuses in one instance. 389 00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:25,200 They said there's not that much of a concern from what I spoke to. 390 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,320 and I think if we look at nurses who come in contact with people and they come 391 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:38,420 home from their work sites to our families asymptomatic people are going to 392 00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:43,120 exist no matter where we go and I think it's pretty common knowledge that if you 393 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:50,300 feel sick stay home I think we're kind of penalizing our businesses to a 394 00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:54,800 degree I think they are to be commended for all the things they are 395 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:01,940 doing. In fact one of the cleaners told me that in one of the VRG areas they've 396 00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:06,740 rented what you call foggers to totally disinfect a room. So I think there are 397 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:11,420 more things that are being done and I would assume that if people come out 398 00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:16,500 here to visit us they know our opinions and they're going to be somewhat 399 00:41:16,500 --> 00:41:22,960 pre-cautious at least to us who are in the lodging industry. So I'm 400 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,340 decline to remove the 24-hour hold. 401 00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:27,700 Yana, you had your hand up. 402 00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,940 Yes, and I'll take it down so I don't forget. 403 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,740 I still am in favor of the 24-hour hold 404 00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:41,720 to support our folks that are the housekeepers. 405 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,140 I've received several from businesses. 406 00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:50,700 Their main objection to this is that it's 407 00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,740 an inconvenience to schedule. 408 00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:57,060 And the other point that they like to make 409 00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:59,620 is it's also costing them revenue, 410 00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:00,980 which I understand. 411 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:07,540 And, and, but my overall concern with this 412 00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,060 is the health concern. 413 00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:15,200 And for me that overarches anything 414 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,100 and everything I think about COVID 415 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,240 and if there's a way in which we can 416 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,000 can keep some of our folks healthy with the masks, 417 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:26,700 with the 24 hours, I'm going to be voting that way 418 00:42:26,700 --> 00:42:30,480 because like everybody knows, 419 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,500 I live right in the middle of VRD land over here 420 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:35,700 and I can watch the behavior. 421 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:45,340 And I have noticed that before someone checks in 422 00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:52,520 that there hasn't been exactly 24 hours and then another one there has been and 423 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,940 very carefully checked out by maybe a supervisor before the cleaner comes in 424 00:42:57,940 --> 00:43:04,500 but I think we still don't know quite enough and the asymptomatic is just as 425 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:09,360 important as a symptomatic for me and it's not just another business it's 426 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,680 someone who is staying hours on end and touching a lot of surfaces in one 427 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:21,480 location. So I don't equate it to another type of business at all. I think it's on a whole 428 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,200 leather level. 429 00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:25,780 And Diane, you had your hand up. 430 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:32,560 Yes. And there's, you know, many. I think that the 24-hour hold, I would probably vote 431 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:40,880 to let that go. Simply because the American, what, HLA has said there's that 15-minute 432 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:47,060 weight. We know that there are a lot. I think we have half that follow the rules and half 433 00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:54,560 that are not following the rules. And at this time, the economy is one thing. People are 434 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,480 losing money. They really are and they're not going to make it in January if we don't 435 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,500 do something about it. So I'm inclined to probably vote to drop this one for our 436 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:09,620 vote. And Judy, you have your hand up. I'd like to point out that I don't think 437 00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:23,020 I think there's been any identified outbreaks at these lodging facilities or VRDs as a result of help help worker home workers, cleaners who have had an outbreak. 438 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,080 So there aren't really outbreaks coming from the workers who are in these industries. 439 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:41,000 And I think that's a good point, Judy. In essence, in Lincoln City, we've had rooms for rent since March 21st with the casino opening up in their lodging. 440 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:51,080 So, and then we went again June 1st with the bulk and the contact tracing certainly hasn't come back to... 441 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,820 If there's no further discussion, you know, this is a council meeting, we could take a 442 00:44:59,820 --> 00:44:59,960 moment. 443 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,100 Motion, and this would be a motion that we would then move on to the county in our next 444 00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:15,700 meeting as far as how the city is positioned on this issue. Somebody has a motion? 445 00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:21,740 I'd like to make a motion to remove the 24-hour hold for lodging requirement. 446 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,520 Second. 447 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,940 We have a motion from Judy and a second from Mitch. 448 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,200 Any further discussion? 449 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,140 Ron, I just, Jerry, do you need me sitting in on this next meeting? 450 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:44,120 Oh, the joint one with the county? 451 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:45,580 Right. 452 00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:51,120 I don't think so. You're okay. Thank you for this one. 453 00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:52,760 Okay. Thank you, guys. 454 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:02,720 thing in there. Okay. Rick, you had a discussion? Just a little thought as far as other businesses 455 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:07,700 being restricted. I think restaurants are required to space out there. You have fewer patrons. 456 00:46:11,260 --> 00:46:15,940 Ace Hardware, I know it was doing a really good job of having somebody at the door and 457 00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:19,520 limiting the number of customers. I don't know if that reduces their revenue significantly, 458 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:27,700 but I would take the restaurants it would so there is that however I'm inclined to 459 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:34,260 drop the rule because you know I mean these hotels they get something like 460 00:46:34,260 --> 00:46:42,540 two-thirds of their annual revenue over the summer it's I don't know that I it's 461 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:46,260 a lot of responsibility to to weigh it on my shoulders. 462 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:51,960 All right. Well, the motion on the table is to remove the 24 463 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,280 hour cold. 464 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,040 Kathy, could you do a roll call please? 465 00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:02,500 Yes. 466 00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:07,380 Dick Anderson. Yes. Judy Casper. Yes. 467 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,460 Deanna Hinton. Wow. 468 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:12,780 Riley Holdland? 469 00:47:13,020 --> 00:47:13,440 No. 470 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:15,500 Diane Pooes? 471 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:15,980 Yes. 472 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,940 Rick Mark? 473 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,920 Yes. 474 00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:21,000 And Mitch Parsons? 475 00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:22,740 Yes. 476 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,040 Motion carries. 477 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:26,820 All right. 478 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,840 We'll relay that to the next meeting. 479 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:39,400 The other topic then, again, at the joint meeting is going to be supposedly a proposal 480 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:46,520 to reduce the size of groups right now in phase one you can have a group to the 481 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:55,780 size of 25 with appropriate spacing and I think the discussion will be you know 482 00:47:55,780 --> 00:48:04,380 down to 10 to move that down to town 10 I could not see whether that group size 483 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:09,060 is inside a building or outside if that varied 484 00:48:09,060 --> 00:48:13,520 and I may be mixing up with other phases or future phases. 485 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:17,780 So, Ron or Mr. Apachello, 486 00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:20,280 either one of you can help us with that. 487 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,700 Is there an inside provision and an outside provision 488 00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:24,540 of group size? 489 00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:34,490 I'm not sure, Mr. Mayor, to check on that. 490 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:38,490 Yeah, when I read the proposed order, 491 00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:41,870 I didn't see a distinction. Let me look forward again here. 492 00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:47,550 Okay. Well, for the time being, let's just assume that it's, you know, any kind of both 493 00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:56,650 no more than 25 in or out and the proposal is to take it to 10 or the discussion. 494 00:48:57,030 --> 00:49:02,920 Any thoughts on that? Diane, you have your hand up? 495 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,400 Yeah, I'm kind of confused as to can you give me examples of where this 496 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:15,040 25 and 10 and if it's outdoors how do you limit that except for you know because 497 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:20,380 the one we had was a family had a party and then we had all those that came out 498 00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:26,740 but I know in hotel or in restaurants they can only do like a group of six at 499 00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:33,120 a table so can you help me out well I think at my experience I could tell 500 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:40,360 you and chime in is one, I think some of the businesses are only letting initially they 501 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:47,900 only let 10 people into their facility initially. And then when it went to phase one, they were 502 00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:54,640 able to get 25. I think that's why you had at ACEs they had people lining up outside. 503 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,440 The other is I've had lots of calls from churches where they're limited, you know, 504 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:09,700 to right now 25. And all these also include appropriate spacing. So you'd have new six 505 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:16,540 feet between everybody. So depending on the size of your building, you may not be able 506 00:50:16,540 --> 00:50:28,080 to even have 25, you know, today. But those are the places I've seen it. I haven't like 507 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,900 or anything like that. 508 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,460 But I guess there could be, again, 509 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,220 with appropriate spacing. 510 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:36,740 Rodney? 511 00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:48,190 OK, so I'm looking under the order number 25 by the governor. 512 00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:55,170 And she talked about social and recreational gatherings. 513 00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:58,810 Social, and this is under the baseline requirements, 514 00:50:58,810 --> 00:51:05,990 social and recreational gatherings outside of a home or place of residence continue to be prohibited 515 00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:11,770 regardless of size, unless the distance of six feet can be consistently maintained between 516 00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:19,350 individuals from a household, in which case social and recreational gatherings of up to 10 517 00:51:19,350 --> 00:51:26,450 people are permitted. So this one specifically mentions gatherings outside of a home or place 518 00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:37,650 of residents. So this would be outside. Then it has in both the baseline and the phases, 519 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:47,350 other regulations that pertain to food and drink establishments, businesses, indoors and 520 00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:55,730 things like that. So it sounds to me like it, and that it is for outdoors gatherings. 521 00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:58,650 Thank you. 522 00:52:00,270 --> 00:52:02,030 Nash with what you have. 523 00:52:04,610 --> 00:52:06,310 I'm looking at, can you hear me? 524 00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:06,890 Yeah. 525 00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:16,470 Okay, so I'm looking at the whereas clauses on the proposed order and says whereas state 526 00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:21,590 baseline guidance for gatherings now in place allows local, cultural, civic and faith gatherings 527 00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:27,770 for up to 25 people provided physical distancing can be in place and prohibits local gatherings 528 00:52:27,770 --> 00:52:33,770 over 10 people. By comparison, Lincoln County is in phase one, which differs from baseline 529 00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:40,550 by also allowing for any purpose, including any social and recreation gatherings up to 25 530 00:52:40,550 --> 00:52:46,550 people provided physical distancing is in place. Another OHA guidance, such as for restaurants, 531 00:52:46,810 --> 00:52:52,970 is followed. So what the county, the next section is, county desires to return to the baseline 532 00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:59,310 guidance for private social gatherings only as a further means to prevent the spread of the 533 00:52:59,310 --> 00:53:07,470 disease. So it looks like what exactly they're proposing is to go back to 10, which is the 534 00:53:07,470 --> 00:53:15,070 baseline for local social gatherings. I don't see any other 535 00:53:15,070 --> 00:53:17,310 distinctions in there about inside and outside. 536 00:53:18,890 --> 00:53:20,090 Deming restaurant. 537 00:53:22,270 --> 00:53:26,970 It depends on what you go to if you're working from the state's 538 00:53:27,550 --> 00:53:32,010 executive order number 25, then it makes a distinction between 539 00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:39,130 gatherings and it has cultural, civic, faith-based, social, recreational, then it 540 00:53:39,130 --> 00:53:45,030 goes into restaurants, food and drink with separate requirements, closures of 541 00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:48,930 businesses with separate, and what they have to do when they open retail 542 00:53:48,930 --> 00:53:59,070 businesses. So the point where they specifically mention gatherings is in 543 00:53:59,070 --> 00:54:11,880 the area of that I had mentioned about being outside and the order the order 544 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,440 actually is beginning on June 24th the county will restrict private social 545 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,420 gatherings only to no more than 10 persons in accordance with the baseline 546 00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:31,560 requirements governor's order if you had a question not a question 547 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,920 necessarily. I was just going to say that I'm not necessarily for going back at the moment. 548 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,380 I think everybody in the state has an idea of what these phases are. And as soon as we start 549 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:47,700 picking apart what phase we're in, it's just going to get more muddied and convoluted if people 550 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:56,240 aren't going to really understand where we stand. Good point. Yana. I have a question. Does anybody 551 00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:16,800 Nobody know why the county is interested in doing this is this because of the one family gathering that generates that first outbreak. I'm I'm just I just trying to understand this. I have a tendency to agree with Mitch that if we muddy the water a little bit then that's going to make it harder. 552 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:24,740 However, I am not really noticing anyone following the guidelines anyway so I 553 00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:33,540 don't know what difference it would make but and I'm not sure if this is past if 554 00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:41,640 we aren't requesting more time from the chief's officers and if so maybe we 555 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,220 we should consider hiring a few extra. 556 00:55:47,970 --> 00:55:49,690 Let's just go with vigilantes. 557 00:55:51,730 --> 00:55:53,990 So, oh, Judy. 558 00:55:55,270 --> 00:56:01,870 Yeah, I was thinking that if the previous limit was 25 559 00:56:01,870 --> 00:56:05,390 and the six foot distance was still required, 560 00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:08,930 it seems to me that I would agree 561 00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:10,230 that that would be workable. 562 00:56:10,530 --> 00:56:13,210 I mean, why change course in the middle of the stream? 563 00:56:13,210 --> 00:56:19,630 And I'd like to know, yeah, I'm going to agree with Diana, like what's broken. 564 00:56:20,550 --> 00:56:30,170 Well, the recitals in the order say, in all phases, voluntary social distancing actions 565 00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:36,370 are not being followed in many areas, including the central Oregon coast, which exacerbates 566 00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:37,470 the risk to the community. 567 00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:43,530 So I think what Deanna said is they're not observing the restrictions now. 568 00:56:45,390 --> 00:56:50,910 So the problem with that, as also stated, is an enforcement issue. 569 00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:58,290 And I think the public, from my experience, misinterprets a lot of this stuff. 570 00:56:58,350 --> 00:57:01,010 And I'm not sure myself. 571 00:57:01,010 --> 00:57:10,590 but more than 25 people out my window on the beach you know you know seems to get 572 00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:17,550 some people excited and it's seven and a half miles of beach now granted there's 573 00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:25,110 social distancing going on in that I've seen but you know walking around the 574 00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:35,210 outlet mall or, you know, in a large store. I've been told that some businesses, you patrons 575 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:42,050 have questioned, you know, whether there are too many people in the store. Safeway, for 576 00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:50,110 example, does that mean, you know, Safeway is limited to 75 or 75 people in that store. 577 00:57:50,110 --> 00:57:56,330 So I, you know, I think we have enough difficulty trying to explain not only to 578 00:57:56,330 --> 00:58:04,310 our own citizens but those who venture in from outside and then compounded by, you 579 00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:09,730 know, again my concern none of this is appears to be overly enforceable 580 00:58:09,730 --> 00:58:15,770 anyway and you know I think it just really confuses the whole bloody 581 00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:17,230 issue so 582 00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:34,990 unless you I guess we could take kind of a position unless we heard some we 583 00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:41,690 hear something on the meeting in the afternoon or at 1 30 with this that would 584 00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:50,070 change our mind you know Diana's point if there's been some specific connected 585 00:58:50,070 --> 00:58:57,390 it outbreaks and answering the question of how better enforcement than, you know, exists 586 00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:59,670 in the face covering enforcement. 587 00:59:03,150 --> 00:59:04,970 Ganna, you've got a question? 588 00:59:06,210 --> 00:59:13,930 Yeah, I was just going to ask the chief if there is a difference for him for enforcement 589 00:59:13,930 --> 00:59:15,790 from 10 to 25 people. 590 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:20,610 I know he'd be having to count more than 10 people, which would lengthen the time 591 00:59:20,610 --> 00:59:29,570 to consider, but I'm just kind of curious because, you know, I can see us going, anyway, 592 00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:33,070 never mind my personal comment, how about just my question to the Chief? 593 00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:41,610 Well, to this point, you know, all of the contacts that we made with very few exceptions 594 00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:46,390 will get somebody that crumbles a little bit, but we haven't had anybody just out and out 595 00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:52,330 goal off the rocker about us showing up and whether it's on a noise complaint 596 00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:56,190 and we find that they're in violation of the BRD rental a couple of that we've 597 00:59:56,190 --> 00:59:59,970 had on the 24-hour notice you know thankfully we have 598 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,420 I've been called in to negotiate a truce and safe way of somebody going the wrong way 599 01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:10,820 up the aisle or not wearing their masks. But by and large, and especially with our business 600 01:00:10,820 --> 01:00:16,040 partners, I think it has gone well. I think it's been well received. We see that they're 601 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:21,580 posting, the hotels and VRDs that we've checked are keeping their logs as been requested. 602 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:28,120 And so I think the approach we've taken to this point is successful. If we start 603 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:35,980 going out and confronting 10, 20, 30 people that's on the beach for a bonfire, and we 604 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:40,540 got a little alcohol involved, and we go down there and say, okay, you got to get out of 605 01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:44,680 here if you're not wearing your mask, then that might escalate things to a little different 606 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:45,480 taste. 607 01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:48,880 But to this point, we've been very successful, I think. 608 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,780 Now, successful meaning we haven't had any big fights with anybody, and I think by 609 01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:59,680 large most people are voluntarily complying when you ask them as to how successful our campaign 610 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,640 is getting the rank and file of everybody out there. You've got some that are wearing, 611 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,720 some that are hard, some that are adamant about wearing, and some that don't care, just leave 612 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,060 me alone. 613 01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:17,240 Judy? Yeah, I was just wondering if if Lincoln County got kind of thrown in there 614 01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:23,340 as far as this requirement, because it came maybe specifically from Eastern Oregon, 615 01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:30,820 And I know that the entire Lincoln County got put in this group, at least that's what the governor said, 616 01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:34,000 was because the commissioners were receptive to the change. 617 01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:40,260 So I just can't help but think maybe we got thrown in there and then as a group we could discuss, 618 01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:41,780 well, are we going to do this or not? 619 01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:44,560 But maybe they just threw us in there to cover their bases. 620 01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:45,780 That's my thought. 621 01:01:45,780 --> 01:01:55,520 What the 25 down to 10 wasn't isn't in the governor's oh it's not it just 622 01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,940 Oh no it's just the face covers okay this is from the county commissioners that 623 01:02:00,940 --> 01:02:06,780 are evidently wrecked what some they must have had enough public comment that they 624 01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:20,200 I'm still speaking to my 25. Okay so I guess what I'm really hearing is you know 625 01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:27,820 staying the course stay in phase one as it relates to the group unless you know 626 01:02:27,820 --> 01:02:32,420 and I don't know what you're gonna hear in the discussion who 627 01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:37,460 is that is that 628 01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:43,860 the sense that, you know, everybody's, you know, on City Council is looking at it. Okay. 629 01:02:46,350 --> 01:02:54,650 And I don't know, you know, we'll present that in any kind of discussion. 630 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:58,970 Chief, did 631 01:02:58,970 --> 01:03:00,790 you want to, do you have something? 632 01:03:02,110 --> 01:03:07,750 No, I think it's a great discussion and one worthy of having. And like I said before, 633 01:03:08,010 --> 01:03:11,930 I don't want to be in your shoes because you're going to get blasted, which are 634 01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:20,150 way you drop on this and but I just think the state and county and our municipalities 635 01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:26,830 really need to take a look at which way you're trying to push law enforcement on doing on 636 01:03:26,830 --> 01:03:31,030 this and what that truly, what that expectation truly is and means. 637 01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:33,310 Thank you. 638 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:35,150 Judy, you still have your hand up. 639 01:03:35,290 --> 01:03:36,830 Did you want, okay. 640 01:03:38,530 --> 01:03:58,750 I guess do we want to or need to take a formal vote on staying the course of phase one as far as relates to group or I hear I see unanimous consensus unless someone doesn't just take a vote. 641 01:03:59,590 --> 01:04:00,330 All right. 642 01:04:00,330 --> 01:04:01,870 How about a motion. 643 01:04:03,870 --> 01:04:15,990 I moved to retain the 25 people distance in groups from staying the course with phase one as it relates to groups. 644 01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:17,170 Yeah, that's what I meant. 645 01:04:18,050 --> 01:04:19,250 I'll second that. 646 01:04:19,730 --> 01:04:20,630 And who's that? 647 01:04:20,970 --> 01:04:21,130 Deanna? 648 01:04:21,970 --> 01:04:23,350 Oh, I am. 649 01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:23,890 Okay. 650 01:04:25,250 --> 01:04:25,890 All right. 651 01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:29,150 We have a motion with the second discussion. 652 01:04:30,010 --> 01:04:30,230 Deanna? 653 01:04:31,190 --> 01:04:35,910 I'm going to say no because I haven't heard the reason that the commissioners wished as 654 01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:36,730 to discuss it. 655 01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:38,110 So I'm not ready to vote. 656 01:04:38,490 --> 01:04:38,790 Okay. 657 01:04:40,550 --> 01:04:41,890 I'm also not ready. 658 01:04:42,290 --> 01:04:46,970 You do get to vote, you know, because it's on the table, a nice try. 659 01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:51,010 All 660 01:04:53,250 --> 01:04:56,850 right, we have a Rick, you've got your hand up. 661 01:04:56,870 --> 01:05:02,830 Just a little thought that I worry about trying to impose what's essentially unenforceable 662 01:05:02,830 --> 01:05:10,980 laws, because I think it engenders disrespect for law in general. 663 01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:17,980 So I think we just need to be really cautious about that, and I appreciate, I really appreciate 664 01:05:17,980 --> 01:05:21,940 Chief, the effort that you and the police force are putting forth on this. 665 01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:30,140 So it's, I think we need to really hold their concerns in high regard here. 666 01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:40,680 you raised your hand. Yeah, but it's not about this motion. So I have something else. 667 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:48,900 All right. Diane. In regards to changing the rules from outside of the other counties, 668 01:05:49,100 --> 01:05:54,880 we have to remember that we have people coming in from everywhere who have different faces, 669 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,680 different understandings. And so if we say we're in phase one, they may understand that, 670 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,880 But then they come here and go, oh, but now we're phase one, 671 01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:03,980 but we're not phase one. 672 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,000 And it's not enforceable. 673 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,660 So I just say, yeah, we need to stay the course, 674 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,860 because it's very confusing, and we don't follow it, 675 01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:13,600 and either do our tourists. 676 01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:17,320 And Deanna, you must have another comment. 677 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:20,560 Oh, OK. 678 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,480 All right, so we have a motion with a second on the table, 679 01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:28,340 and that would be to stay the course for phase one 680 01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:30,980 as it relates to the group. 681 01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:36,170 Number roll call please yes 682 01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:41,220 Hinton 683 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,980 No, I want to wait to hear the county's reasoning 684 01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:47,700 Hold on 685 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:49,100 No 686 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:51,340 Coos yeah 687 01:06:54,970 --> 01:06:56,890 Persons yes 688 01:06:58,510 --> 01:06:59,890 Anderson yeah 689 01:07:00,930 --> 01:07:08,230 Motion carries. All right. Okay. Mr. Apigello. I 690 01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:14,570 just wanted to let you know I've been sending emails to Wayne and he responded this is about 691 01:07:14,570 --> 01:07:21,090 enforcement as we predicted it's not their intent to enforce the local public health 692 01:07:21,090 --> 01:07:27,750 directive even though they have the authority to do that and obviously it's because we 693 01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:35,050 now have the OHA guidance. He said they were getting some information from the governor's 694 01:07:35,050 --> 01:07:41,150 office about local enforcement and that the county health department will 695 01:07:41,150 --> 01:07:46,670 enforce with this education first philosophy the establishments that they 696 01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:54,470 regulate and license and then they'll look to OH a and look maybe pop local 697 01:07:54,470 --> 01:08:01,590 public health for assistance in the other non-regulated areas OH a might 698 01:08:01,590 --> 01:08:08,830 enforcement, and then he puts in parentheses, ha, and the last resort is law enforcement. 699 01:08:09,090 --> 01:08:14,490 He does say he's intending to call a meeting of the city attorneys next week to discuss 700 01:08:14,490 --> 01:08:22,570 enforcement issues, and so we get some better information and guidance on the enforcement. 701 01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:24,630 So just let you know. 702 01:08:25,050 --> 01:08:25,690 All right. 703 01:08:26,050 --> 01:08:26,590 Thank you. 704 01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:30,270 Rick, do you have a comment? 705 01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:34,950 one last thought I wonder if we get maybe a little stronger language on our 706 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:41,420 electronic side and can we put one in the south side of town regarding the 707 01:08:41,420 --> 01:08:48,080 masks that masks are mandatory in this community if we get that big that 708 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:54,500 carries face coverings though yeah that mask yep alright 709 01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:57,600 has 710 01:09:00,190 --> 01:09:01,290 the call in 711 01:09:01,290 --> 01:09:08,510 information been sent out for this 130 meeting yes okay did that you need me 712 01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:09,290 Can you send that to you? 713 01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:11,070 Yeah, if you don't mind. 714 01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:15,790 All right, well, with that, up, Diana. 715 01:09:16,310 --> 01:09:17,370 I just wanted to ask Ron 716 01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:19,150 if he would send that out to all of us. 717 01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:22,550 I have so many emails that it got buried, 718 01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:23,790 so I don't know the number. 719 01:09:24,570 --> 01:09:24,830 Okay. 720 01:09:25,330 --> 01:09:25,890 Thank you. 721 01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:29,190 With that, why don't we adjourn this meeting 722 01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:32,610 and see you in the next one at 1.30. 723 01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:34,650 Thank you. 724 01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:37,350 Riley, do you need something or was that just a, okay. 725 01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:39,090 All right, see you later.