1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,640 Okay, I don't say anything naughty, recording. 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:16,660 Okay, nobody's hot on you. There you go. 3 00:00:18,740 --> 00:00:20,820 Yeah, so I did this place to come. 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,160 Guys, I need it. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,380 Is that what you're seeing? 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:26,600 Do you like to read? 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,480 It's the effort. 8 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:28,940 Oh, that's so awesome. 9 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:32,480 You may be thinking, what are you going to want to see? 10 00:00:33,540 --> 00:00:36,880 Oh, especially because there's things to go with. 11 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:38,140 You heal it, right? 12 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:40,000 Actually, I was going to read this here. 13 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:41,900 Come on, come on, Jason, help me. 14 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:48,950 I would be asked if I got the big old boat with the nature sprays and that's what we do. 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,540 That's what we do. 16 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:53,300 For old Costco. 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,240 Are you okay? 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:56,120 I'm okay. 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Very enthusiastic, 20 00:00:59,110 --> 00:00:59,330 very interesting. 21 00:00:59,330 --> 00:01:03,390 Hmm okay, let's hope he speaks over. 22 00:01:04,150 --> 00:01:11,830 I'd like to show them to you on the table. 23 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:15,790 Let me see you. 24 00:01:15,910 --> 00:01:16,830 Continue は なっ 25 00:01:16,830 --> 00:01:18,230 The other day in that little place 26 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:19,610 Altair looks fabulous. 27 00:01:21,010 --> 00:01:25,770 That little place I should have looked so nice. 28 00:01:26,430 --> 00:01:28,050 It's all nice and awesome. 29 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:30,730 You heard of that one, isn't it? 30 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:32,830 But the little one over there, you can see it now. 31 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:35,270 It's really cute as a cute hole. 32 00:01:36,970 --> 00:01:38,680 I just left all the lilacs. 33 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:39,910 Yeah. 34 00:01:40,390 --> 00:01:43,950 The things that are there, still that were left there. 35 00:01:43,950 --> 00:01:45,910 because, okay, what house? 36 00:01:46,090 --> 00:01:46,990 Did you buy a house? 37 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:49,390 So there's a little work thing at the house. 38 00:01:49,490 --> 00:01:50,370 Miss this one. 39 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:53,370 If you go right behind your place, 40 00:01:53,830 --> 00:01:56,610 there's one of the old original fire hydrants 41 00:01:56,610 --> 00:01:58,610 from back in the 30s. 42 00:01:58,850 --> 00:02:01,090 It's stuck in the weeds not too far from your back door, 43 00:02:01,990 --> 00:02:03,770 but it's the coolest looking thing. 44 00:02:04,330 --> 00:02:06,650 Oh, yeah, from the old town, 45 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:08,490 it's all, it's just sitting there's a, 46 00:02:08,910 --> 00:02:10,410 you walk on that little trail a little bit, 47 00:02:10,550 --> 00:02:12,470 you'll see it sit back there, it's in the corner, yeah. 48 00:02:16,330 --> 00:02:21,110 Yeah, I like to pull it out and like put it in front of the, because it's not working, but being 49 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:25,050 able to paint it and put it in front, it's back from the 30s root-cool old fire hydrate. 50 00:02:28,990 --> 00:02:36,830 Yeah, I think we need a survey because I'm not quite sure where the property lines are there. 51 00:02:37,730 --> 00:02:40,090 You want a pretty good square there? 52 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:43,690 Yeah, I think so. Just judging from the counties high. 53 00:02:43,770 --> 00:02:45,970 Yeah, but I'm not sure. 54 00:02:47,990 --> 00:02:49,730 Yeah, we're not going to be doing anything. 55 00:02:50,110 --> 00:02:51,510 I meant to permit to the yard, but. 56 00:02:52,170 --> 00:02:54,870 What we might want to put some gravel parking in, you know, 57 00:02:54,990 --> 00:02:57,110 gravel where you drive in front and back. 58 00:02:57,310 --> 00:02:57,930 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 59 00:02:57,930 --> 00:02:59,790 I don't want to do anything. 60 00:03:01,210 --> 00:03:03,410 You have a lot of room there because they used to park in front. 61 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:08,530 very used to yeah and then in the back room they're so cool there yeah I 62 00:03:08,530 --> 00:03:13,990 would like that place. Well I don't know are we is it canceled? What's it 63 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:19,310 canceled? No time to get on I think. Is he trying to get on? He'll be on in just a 64 00:03:19,310 --> 00:03:25,730 second time trying to get on. Yeah okay. I'll leave everybody to the house where? I told 65 00:03:25,730 --> 00:03:30,790 I told you, I told you a while ago, it's time to go on Cascade. 66 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:33,250 Yeah, it's time to go on the other side. 67 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:34,770 I told you, didn't I? 68 00:03:34,850 --> 00:03:38,790 Yeah, I think you did, but I, it was like, what? 69 00:03:39,450 --> 00:03:39,950 You did it? 70 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:41,070 Yeah. 71 00:03:42,190 --> 00:03:42,950 You did it. 72 00:03:43,170 --> 00:03:44,510 It's like a little fairy tale. 73 00:03:44,750 --> 00:03:44,930 Yeah. 74 00:03:45,230 --> 00:03:46,950 You don't have to sit over there. 75 00:03:47,310 --> 00:03:47,890 No, you don't. 76 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:48,490 Yeah. 77 00:03:49,430 --> 00:03:51,410 You can come sit over here. 78 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:52,130 You don't have to go. 79 00:03:52,810 --> 00:03:53,870 We don't bite. 80 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:54,770 Believe me. 81 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:58,660 What do you have to ask? 82 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:12,140 I mean, I imported a bunch of chocolate from New Zealand on the other day. 83 00:04:13,260 --> 00:04:15,080 Like three boxes. 84 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:15,800 Are you there? 85 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:18,240 Yes, I am. 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:19,720 I can't hear you. 87 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:25,310 Let's see if we can turn you out. 88 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:25,790 No. 89 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:29,250 Sorry. 90 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:30,150 I'm 91 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:32,830 Can you turn him up? 92 00:04:32,910 --> 00:04:33,610 Yeah, maybe. 93 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:37,190 Yeah, turn me up. 94 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:38,130 Turn you up. 95 00:04:39,050 --> 00:04:39,990 I don't think so. 96 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:41,950 Probably when it is. 97 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:44,010 Volume. 98 00:04:44,690 --> 00:04:45,410 Where have a hundred. 99 00:04:46,770 --> 00:04:48,130 Bingo, bingo, bongo. 100 00:04:49,090 --> 00:04:50,310 Yeah, definitely. 101 00:04:50,930 --> 00:04:52,150 A lot of the kids. 102 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:53,250 Okay. 103 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:56,690 I could put a little microphone here. 104 00:05:00,430 --> 00:05:03,990 We just got these, so we're still figuring it out. 105 00:05:05,310 --> 00:05:05,990 Maybe. 106 00:05:07,430 --> 00:05:08,870 And then Northwest. 107 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:11,650 Maybe we go like. 108 00:05:12,730 --> 00:05:15,450 So now you probably lost your view of Pacta. 109 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:27,500 Actually. 110 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:29,380 Okay. 111 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:31,560 Say something now. 112 00:05:33,980 --> 00:05:34,780 So 113 00:05:38,170 --> 00:05:39,890 you sent them now, Tom. 114 00:05:40,190 --> 00:05:40,950 2009. 115 00:05:41,510 --> 00:05:41,670 Yeah. 116 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:44,130 That didn't really help. 117 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,600 Okay, keep talking. 118 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,780 Okay, you go there. 119 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:54,240 Yeah. 120 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:55,160 One more thing. 121 00:05:56,380 --> 00:05:57,180 Better. 122 00:05:57,740 --> 00:05:58,500 That's louder. 123 00:05:58,980 --> 00:05:59,080 Okay. 124 00:06:00,260 --> 00:06:01,500 Well, we'll see. 125 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:05,920 Yeah. 126 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,520 off the computer, which I'm not even sure where it's at. Okay, so there's something now. 127 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,000 There's something now. 128 00:06:15,260 --> 00:06:15,800 No. 129 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:24,660 It's not super helpful. Okay, you'll just have to talk loud. 130 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,460 Okay, is that loud? 131 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:31,740 Not really. It doesn't like being right there. 132 00:06:32,460 --> 00:06:37,140 Oh, it's going to give you feedback. Yeah, what? 133 00:06:37,140 --> 00:06:39,800 What? Keep talking. 134 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:41,840 How about this? 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:45,020 Any better? 136 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,700 Okay. Well, sort of. 137 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,720 Sort of kind of. 138 00:06:50,380 --> 00:06:51,560 And that is for. 139 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,440 You're them all right? 140 00:06:56,300 --> 00:06:56,760 No. 141 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,020 No. 142 00:06:58,720 --> 00:06:58,880 No. 143 00:06:59,540 --> 00:07:01,160 Anybody talking? 144 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,100 Yeah, I can hear that. 145 00:07:04,540 --> 00:07:05,540 Can you hear me, Tom? 146 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:07,560 Yes, I can. 147 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:19,260 I hope we don't get too much feedback. 148 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:21,660 Okay. 149 00:07:22,740 --> 00:07:23,380 Okay. 150 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,440 Okay. 151 00:07:29,170 --> 00:07:30,450 Who's 152 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:33,800 all there? 153 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,300 Yeah, but who's there who do we got there from the commission? 154 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,260 Ones here and Quincy's here. 155 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:48,460 So Quincy and 156 00:07:50,930 --> 00:07:51,290 Donna. 157 00:07:52,110 --> 00:07:52,610 Yeah, sad. 158 00:07:53,910 --> 00:07:56,130 And Katie's gonna be there so. 159 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:58,510 Okay. 160 00:08:13,980 --> 00:08:16,690 So we just wait just wait and we'll have. 161 00:08:18,170 --> 00:08:19,730 Yep, you don't have a poem. 162 00:08:29,700 --> 00:08:36,090 So when Katie shows up, she's the vice chair. 163 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:38,200 Yes, 164 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,280 we're just trying to log in. 165 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,400 But it's really great to meet you. 166 00:08:53,190 --> 00:08:53,830 Right. 167 00:08:53,830 --> 00:08:54,430 you can find a 168 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:57,680 little white. 169 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:03,890 I'm going to do a fire department. 170 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:04,730 What are you doing? 171 00:09:04,910 --> 00:09:06,390 Wait, whoa, whoa. 172 00:09:06,590 --> 00:09:07,890 I didn't read it that way. 173 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:08,950 What are you guys writing? 174 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:12,210 I came over and called the Brian and Brian. 175 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:19,620 This is just sound, size, complete. 176 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,920 I'm going to complete this communication 177 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,260 and this other schedule. 178 00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:30,980 Oh, so that's how I see it. 179 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:36,930 You know what, 180 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:49,980 yes, oh, I'm Katie's here, I have a microphone in front of me, 181 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:08,300 I'm just an alternate, so we see you and I can share. 182 00:10:08,580 --> 00:10:09,920 So Katie's gone to order. 183 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,920 338pm on Tuesday, May 3rd. 184 00:10:15,420 --> 00:10:17,220 Okay, need to call Donna. 185 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:22,340 Donna, would you like to come to the table to be a voting member tonight? 186 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,120 We'll do. 187 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:23,900 Excellent. 188 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:26,880 Mom, would you like to call roll for us? 189 00:10:30,540 --> 00:10:31,160 Okay, who do we got? 190 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:33,400 Katie and 191 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:38,630 Quincy and Donna, is that who we got? 192 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:39,550 Yes. 193 00:10:41,070 --> 00:10:43,050 Okay, and we're missing GM, right? 194 00:10:44,330 --> 00:10:44,790 Yes. 195 00:10:45,890 --> 00:10:50,450 Okay. And who we got from the public? 196 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:54,130 Councilman Josh Good. 197 00:10:59,190 --> 00:10:59,690 Josh Good? 198 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:00,510 Yep. 199 00:11:04,810 --> 00:11:05,790 Any other public? 200 00:11:06,830 --> 00:11:07,930 Uh, what's like now? 201 00:11:09,170 --> 00:11:09,790 Okay. 202 00:11:10,130 --> 00:11:10,550 You 203 00:11:47,830 --> 00:11:49,090 don't have minutes, huh? 204 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:52,160 You should have the minutes. 205 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,480 What's there the minutes there? 206 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:02,380 I 207 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:09,060 just love this internet being down. 208 00:12:16,630 --> 00:12:18,870 So this is set up by the convention report. 209 00:12:26,940 --> 00:12:27,480 You don't have to. 210 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,560 is there a copy of the minutes there? 211 00:12:31,020 --> 00:12:36,160 Motion to approve the meeting minutes from April 5, 2022. 212 00:12:39,580 --> 00:12:40,400 Seconded. 213 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:41,200 One. 214 00:12:41,900 --> 00:12:42,800 Who made the motion? 215 00:12:44,260 --> 00:12:44,780 Wednesday. 216 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,560 Okay. 217 00:12:47,890 --> 00:12:48,300 Seconded. 218 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:50,540 Donna second. 219 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:51,700 Yes. 220 00:12:55,910 --> 00:12:56,170 Okay. 221 00:13:01,260 --> 00:13:02,520 Looks like there are 222 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:11,760 public. 223 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,560 Where are you here? 224 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:14,540 I'm here. 225 00:13:14,540 --> 00:13:21,800 here. I was just going to be here. I can't speak on behalf of people. 226 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:29,960 I do. I just want to have a mic. 227 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:39,500 So this is a chance for a good member of the public and council. I just wanted to make myself 228 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:48,360 available you guys at this meeting today because I decode to move some of the 229 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,840 commission nominees forward and not the others. So I just want to make myself 230 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:58,740 available to have any questions that you guys may have during before or after 231 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:06,790 the meeting. So I'm going to make myself present and available. 232 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,040 So 233 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:36,430 Tom, Councilman Good is here to help answer questions about what might have happened 234 00:14:36,430 --> 00:14:43,010 at the last council meeting regarding voting for certain planning members. 235 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:49,650 You're absolutely right. It's not on the agenda. It's not a discussion topic. I mean, 236 00:14:49,850 --> 00:14:54,530 you can make a statement, but it's not a topic of debate or discussion. 237 00:14:57,210 --> 00:14:57,590 And let's just 238 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:59,870 on the agenda. Let's you choose. 239 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:29,500 I put it on the agenda, but then it really is not a planning issue. Well, it's kind of on there under the members reappointed by city council. Well, that's you're going to have to reappoint somebody. Donna to take one of those two vacant positions because you got a vacancy on there. And Donna, Donna is still an alternate needs to be appointed as a regular member. That's why I put that on there. Donna, if you choose. 240 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:34,060 You need to recommend that the council appoint Donna to one of those two open positions. 241 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,220 Okay, it looks like we are on staff and commission reports. 242 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,180 We have anything for us. 243 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,860 No other than two people were appointed to weren't. 244 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:52,540 And we have other things that will be coming up on the, you know, 245 00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:57,640 planning here and probably within a month or so, 246 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,600 there's quite a few little things hanging out that are in the works. So they're going to take 247 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,400 planning approval. So I think they're 248 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,320 just, you know, this is a huge elephant in the room. 249 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:29,200 And I think the two founding members that have been here forever and used to just 250 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:38,900 be, you know, they had open comments a lot of the time and that's what I enjoyed the most about the 251 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:42,320 add that to the agenda, Tom? 252 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,520 What's that? 253 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,840 Dissection about the reappointment 254 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,080 and or not reappointment of meeting numbers. 255 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,720 You guys are allowed to discuss whatever you want. 256 00:16:55,940 --> 00:17:01,200 It's just whether you choose to discuss it or not. 257 00:17:02,660 --> 00:17:03,100 OK. 258 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,420 It looks like Marby has joined the call. 259 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,300 Hello, Marby. 260 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:07,480 Hello. 261 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:07,600 So 262 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:12,590 let's put that under commission. 263 00:17:12,890 --> 00:17:12,890 It 264 00:17:16,410 --> 00:17:19,250 has everyone listen to the audio. 265 00:17:21,630 --> 00:17:24,870 I mean, from the city council. 266 00:17:24,970 --> 00:17:26,870 No, I didn't listen to it. 267 00:17:27,070 --> 00:17:28,030 I did this morning. 268 00:17:28,910 --> 00:17:29,210 I should. 269 00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:30,590 It looks good. 270 00:17:30,850 --> 00:17:34,830 Well, it looks like they declined. 271 00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:38,150 Reappoint. 272 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:39,090 Right. 273 00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:46,670 cartnel to this position because he paired the meeting and loaded while his position was 274 00:17:46,670 --> 00:17:55,470 fired. That was last week. That was last month. Yeah, that was last month. And so because of that, 275 00:17:55,470 --> 00:18:00,610 that they decided to not get 276 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,900 fired by my nub surprise. 277 00:18:09,380 --> 00:18:10,140 He 278 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,260 was not approved. 279 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,740 It looked like the council heights and reservations over being able to work. 280 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,340 They were probably so easy to work with. 281 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:29,930 So Tom. 282 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:33,670 So Tom, are these permanent? 283 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:35,730 or I 284 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,400 don't know how this works are they can they're 285 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:52,400 extended or is this just a cut and dry. No, they cannot be on the commission anymore. How does that work? Yes. Is this Quincy? 286 00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:15,200 Okay, no, in this case, no, it's the council appoints the planning commission. So where you we operate at their pleasure, I guess. So if they choose not to appoint two members, that's it. 287 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:19,650 Can they change their minds? 288 00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:29,970 I guess you'd have to go back before them again because it's, you know, like, I don't 289 00:19:29,970 --> 00:19:36,390 know, you know, they, you have to have a motion to reconsider something like that. 290 00:19:36,510 --> 00:19:40,570 I guess then you go through all that process, but, you know, it's, 291 00:19:42,770 --> 00:19:45,250 but it's, it's their action. 292 00:19:45,450 --> 00:19:50,290 They, we recommend they approve on this issue. 293 00:19:50,290 --> 00:19:53,370 some planning issues, the planning to the final phase. 294 00:19:53,670 --> 00:19:56,010 Other things the council is and you recommend. 295 00:19:56,430 --> 00:19:59,030 And in the case of planning commission members, 296 00:19:59,990 --> 00:20:02,730 we recommend and they appoint the position. 297 00:20:04,670 --> 00:20:08,250 So what happens if there aren't enough planning commission 298 00:20:08,250 --> 00:20:09,550 members to make a quorum? 299 00:20:09,710 --> 00:20:12,210 What happens to all the issues coming forward? 300 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:15,190 Then you don't have a quorum to have. 301 00:20:15,370 --> 00:20:16,990 You can't pass that issue. 302 00:20:17,210 --> 00:20:19,730 So all of the public 303 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:22,650 like it's trying to get stuff down in the city of Stuck 304 00:20:22,650 --> 00:20:23,830 and cannot move forward. 305 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:27,650 It's a pickle. 306 00:20:28,930 --> 00:20:30,070 Yeah, it's a pickle. 307 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,700 I'm just, I'm trying, this is Quincy. 308 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,000 I'm just trying to understand and so I carefully listen 309 00:20:41,980 --> 00:20:45,980 and it was kind of a mix between what I didn't understand 310 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:48,900 partly was issues between 311 00:20:48,900 --> 00:21:17,160 I mean, what came to light with the foundation, the frails foundation, and then also some issues with, with Jake and Greg outside of that, and they were kind of all blurred together a little bit to me, but what I heard was one of the things was that Greg, which has been brought up in the past isn't a resident. 312 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:19,040 of our city. 313 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:27,980 And that he voted in the last meeting when his turn was already over by Katie said. 314 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:40,140 And the other things I understood and I apologize from wrong, but that there was a grant issue where somebody caught it, which is great. 315 00:21:42,940 --> 00:22:09,640 maybe it was done should have been done differently or something like that, but that that that that somebody in the city caught it and but in like that was a big issue that sounded like a lot of money and then also maybe the way and emotional speech given by Jake, that felt contentious or something to some people. 316 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:21,400 So those are the things that I understood as kind of reasons for the council's vote. 317 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:28,390 We've got to be careful here folks that we don't go too far afield of what we're 318 00:22:31,980 --> 00:22:33,140 supposed 319 00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:33,680 to be doing. 320 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:40,640 In other words, discussion is one thing, but it's like it has to relate to the discussion 321 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,200 of planning commission matters, not other issues. 322 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:46,260 Let's put it that way. 323 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:47,180 I'm sorry. 324 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:52,020 I'm just, well, it's a learning opportunity, too, because I mean, we're here volunteering 325 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,400 and... 326 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,060 I know. 327 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,640 And we've tried really hard at that. 328 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:04,120 That's why there was a foundation, and you guys know that, that the planning commission 329 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,940 used to take care of the trails, and we got out of it because there was a parents of 330 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:18,500 with the open meeting law. And so it evolved. So I think Katie knows that because Katie was on it back when it was so. 331 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:24,500 And only two members could could be on it and beyond planning. 332 00:23:32,490 --> 00:23:42,530 So other than that, it's like there's not a lot that can be done like I said, we operate at the pleasure of the council. 333 00:23:42,530 --> 00:23:46,910 So they appoint or not appoint so and 334 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:59,210 like you said though the the nonmembers not an issue because that's in the code that's allowed and that one real state persons allowed when construction persons allowed. 335 00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:11,830 But there again doesn't have to be any they don't have to have a reason they can either say yeah and a for any reason so they just say I just don't want those I don't like your last name. 336 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:12,970 They ain't appointing us. 337 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:13,350 So 338 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,500 we could make a 339 00:24:38,380 --> 00:24:40,780 motion about 340 00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:55,430 the last month was everybody just kind of trying to 341 00:24:55,430 --> 00:25:05,670 step in where they left off or code it maybe we didn't do it right but I think people 342 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:07,050 being punished for, 343 00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:12,110 it's, I don't know, just me, Donna. 344 00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:17,150 It doesn't seem to add up. 345 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:20,300 I 346 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,100 think I feel like we're missing something. 347 00:25:31,930 --> 00:25:33,850 It's just excruciating the hard-to-get 348 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:40,250 volunteers and there's a huge learning curve and 349 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:46,200 I mean it's it's it's it's 350 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,000 I mean, it's crippling to our city and 351 00:25:52,810 --> 00:26:00,050 it doesn't make anybody really want to continue, you know, it's it's I 352 00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:11,830 just feel like I am just going to say there's a lot of talk of being neighbors and that's what neighbors do and that's what neighbors do to help each other. 353 00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:22,530 At the meeting at the at the council meeting, which I love, but I think, you know, sometimes there's disagreements and maybe they seem really big. 354 00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:30,950 that the betterment of the city and the city in its whole, you know, we've worked 355 00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:35,470 together before we've worked together again. Everybody's hard is in the right 356 00:26:35,470 --> 00:26:36,090 place. 357 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:49,350 It's called agree to disagree and find a way to work it out. It can't 358 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:50,790 leave that hard, guys. 359 00:26:55,460 --> 00:26:59,980 One of you like to make a motion that the City Council 360 00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:04,860 So we visit their decisions for the mission to be great 361 00:27:04,860 --> 00:27:06,440 heart now and at the forefront. 362 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,980 Is Jake going to be able to attend the meeting? 363 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,280 Don't leave reason I'm asking this is because Jake is 364 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,640 permanently based out of Seattle now. 365 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,080 So does he still living here? 366 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,500 Or well, that was part of really quick. 367 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,260 That was part of, I think, the last planning meeting, which 368 00:27:28,260 --> 00:27:34,600 had been the first planning meeting since COVID that I remember quite a while. And one of the things 369 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:45,340 that I thought was really, really, um, special about that was when grade and um, big spoke. They both 370 00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:52,820 had, you know, a lot of, just kind of, you could tell going through some things that they wanted to 371 00:27:52,820 --> 00:28:03,540 share with us that besides this city step that seemed like it was really tough. And so I think, 372 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,860 if I can make a motion, 373 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,800 that the council might reconsider 374 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:23,940 reinstating Jake Hartnell and Jake Meyer and Greg Hartnell, I do it in a minute, 375 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:27,740 and maybe I should just maybe I'm just going to do it. 376 00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:29,580 Is that a motion? 377 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,220 Yes, it was. 378 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,300 We have a second. 379 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:32,960 Three, 380 00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:40,350 four. 381 00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:45,250 And I just think it's so cool that Margie here 382 00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:50,710 and also that Josh did is here because, you know, 383 00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:53,190 one of the things I was thinking about was, 384 00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:55,090 even though we've only had one planning commission. 385 00:28:55,090 --> 00:28:55,430 Yeah. 386 00:28:56,010 --> 00:29:06,110 Since COVID was, you know, maybe the council could come to our meeting, you know, in a couple 387 00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:06,370 of years. 388 00:29:06,650 --> 00:29:07,430 So that's great. 389 00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:09,530 Yeah. 390 00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:13,290 They can't do that either because we've been down that road to on certain things. 391 00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:21,830 If it's an issue that's going to come before them, they can't be there for deliberations on something 392 00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:24,570 that they're going to be in a quasi-judicial position. 393 00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:27,970 So on planning issues, you got to be careful 394 00:29:27,970 --> 00:29:30,130 on what they can attend on some things 395 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:31,570 other things they can't, so. 396 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:32,730 OK. 397 00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:40,570 So I will be supposed to give Donna a position one 398 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:43,210 if he's the only person that can second. 399 00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:52,180 Did you hear me tell him? 400 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,060 What's that? 401 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,960 We're wanting to put Donna on there. 402 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Got it. 403 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:17,470 The regular member once you put her up there, you know, you know, once you've called her the table, she becomes a regular board member. She allowed to vote on herself. Absolutely. Allow to make motions and vote once she just called to the table. Right. 404 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,980 So, yeah, you have a quorum of three that can vote and make motions. 405 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,900 Do you like to make a motion that you appoint? 406 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:38,570 I got it. 407 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:41,030 I thought I told you to put it in your mouth. 408 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:41,450 Yes. 409 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:43,830 Oh, so we don't have an open. 410 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:48,540 Yeah. 411 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,860 Oh, you're making a motion to what? 412 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,620 We're not making a motion. 413 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:55,800 I just got bounced out, Tom. 414 00:30:56,060 --> 00:30:56,760 It's Donna. 415 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Oh, 416 00:31:03,090 --> 00:31:03,530 yeah. 417 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,720 Well, if you're doing that, you already did the motion to reconsider. 418 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,380 That's right. 419 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,080 Well, then I don't know. 420 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,220 you might want to table any appointing somebody to a vacant position if you're asking them to reconsider. 421 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,100 Exactly. That's what we that's the conclusion we came to as well. 422 00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,820 So you just make a motion to table. 423 00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:35,400 Somebody make a motion to table it and second and table it. 424 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:40,260 I make a motion to table 425 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:52,100 We'll nominating Donna Anzelotti to one of the vacant landing commission positions until next time. 426 00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:54,400 Until next month. 427 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,960 We have a second. 428 00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:57,460 I second. 429 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,520 All in favor. 430 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,320 I bring you favor. 431 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:04,840 Would anyone like to talk with Howard Strawberry? 432 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:07,940 Oh, you did. 433 00:32:07,940 --> 00:32:09,960 So nice of you. 434 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,020 Why don't we get you back in here? 435 00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:17,430 Oh, getting better. One of these days. 436 00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:20,230 Be nice at the Internet work, too. So. 437 00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:23,270 Yeah, they're having lots of issues. 438 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,380 Next, we have unfinished business on there's no unfinished business. 439 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:48,450 Are we allowed to invite the public to speak? 440 00:32:51,090 --> 00:32:52,130 Allow the public to what? 441 00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:52,230 What? 442 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:53,350 Speak. 443 00:32:54,730 --> 00:32:58,830 Yes, you're meeting just, you know, whatever. 444 00:32:59,130 --> 00:32:59,250 Yeah. 445 00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:01,870 I would like to speak it all. 446 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:04,630 So, 447 00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:19,560 this is, this is constantly Josh. 448 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:25,920 I speak for for myself, but I cannot speak for myself. 449 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:40,020 Obviously, there's a lot of, there's a lot of backstory and conflict that has gone in. 450 00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:48,420 with the rail foundation and Greg and Jake from all over the Trial 451 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:49,120 Foundation. 452 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,240 One of my 453 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,580 reservations from that was the Trial 454 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:09,980 Foundation was corresponding to council members and the very very 455 00:34:11,490 --> 00:34:15,680 studious about following the ruins, 456 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:25,300 to see Greg share a meeting for a body of 457 00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:27,060 which he was not a member of, 458 00:34:29,730 --> 00:34:34,330 and for Jake also to participate and promote the 459 00:34:34,330 --> 00:34:42,470 building. That was a big concern for me because they demonstrated for me in a 460 00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:46,790 and asked if they knew what they needed to work for. 461 00:34:50,110 --> 00:34:54,430 I had a ponderous spectrum of what those guys 462 00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:57,230 have, and what they contribute to the center. 463 00:34:58,830 --> 00:35:01,370 The trails are a great resource here. 464 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:05,910 I really appreciate the work that, that one, 465 00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:09,970 it wasn't a reputable breakdown, 466 00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:19,610 communication between them and the administration, but the council and the 467 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:28,570 unrulyness to really talk with us was disappointing, and that really worried 468 00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:32,750 me that if there were going to be situations where the council made it to 469 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:34,930 and commission. 470 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:43,570 I wasn't confident that there would be an open line of communication. 471 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:52,950 I would question any of the council meetings to give it a mere set of differences. 472 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:59,490 You know, for the first few invites, I wouldn't mind getting no response. 473 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:17,990 Yeah, and I can't hear anything and he's saying. 474 00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:34,460 I 475 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:36,740 would 476 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,900 like to get the personal issues with all between the 477 00:36:46,900 --> 00:37:00,020 I mean, essentially council and Greg and other concern on it kind of brought to my attention is if Jake isn't. 478 00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:10,600 It's not exciting here in the city. He's based out of Seattle. It's the and Greg also isn't living in the city. We can only take one of. 479 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:21,420 Jake lives in the city. He works away. He lives in Stoke residents here. He still has a resident here. 480 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:23,500 Yeah. Yeah. 481 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:24,660 Question, Tom. 482 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:24,780 Um, 483 00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:35,780 you know, and the way the council voted, we very deliberately ensure that you guys had enough voting members for, for a quorum. 484 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:45,980 We didn't want to disrupt the activities of the planning commission. Well, I didn't want to disrupt the activities of the planning commission. Again, I can't speak for my. 485 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:52,540 I said, not working again. 486 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:58,780 I just had some serious reservations about 487 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,460 equity and professionalism. 488 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,920 That's 489 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:06,840 why I debated the way I did it. 490 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,160 I would like to get a result of everyone 491 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:10,500 together and talk. 492 00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:15,830 I tried calling numbers on the trails commission website. 493 00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:18,030 I didn't get a good response. 494 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:19,730 You know, 495 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:40,800 I 496 00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:49,590 think 497 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,960 that's 498 00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:20,750 those are valid points and I appreciate that that council are good as. 499 00:39:22,530 --> 00:39:31,340 But I also think there just feels like such a rigidity when our 500 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,900 city a lot of the times has had roadblocks. 501 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:44,160 We've been stagnant. We haven't had vision at times. 502 00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:47,420 And I just think it's a huge loss. 503 00:39:49,430 --> 00:40:03,710 It's very disheartening to have, you know, all of a sudden, I get what they're saying and when you can't have communication, it's frustrating, doesn't make sense. 504 00:40:04,330 --> 00:40:16,350 But I do know there's always two sides to a story and I do think the amount of time that's been put in in the past 17 years since I've, pretty much since I've lived here, these guys have been showing up. 505 00:40:16,350 --> 00:40:30,350 I don't know what that is in the amount of meetings twice a month, that many years and the goodness far outweighs, you know, this last minute after COVID. 506 00:40:30,350 --> 00:40:34,690 and aspiration and everybody's lives, 507 00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:38,550 meaning to kind of ahead and just think, 508 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:40,930 I just think we should be able to get over 509 00:40:40,930 --> 00:40:42,950 this as a city because we 510 00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:48,310 can't lose people like this. 511 00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:52,310 And even though, I mean, I think these are good points 512 00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:55,910 about non-residents of Greg Hartnell, 513 00:40:56,610 --> 00:40:59,470 you know, we've gone through these before in the past. 514 00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:04,490 We just can't, you know, it's not for not wanting to reside here. 515 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:08,610 I've talked to Greg, Greg would give anything to live here. 516 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:14,990 He loves this place, he gives it, it's all, he, I think he actually is planning on moving 517 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:21,450 here in the future and I, I just think he's dedicated so much of his time more than most 518 00:41:21,450 --> 00:41:28,050 of the residents here to the betterment of our city and we've gotten past this, you know, 519 00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:30,990 this idea in the past, I think we can get past it again. 520 00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:36,690 That's all I have to say, but very good points. 521 00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:42,370 Yes, great points, but sometimes, you know, 522 00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:45,910 times we just have to look at each other and say, 523 00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:48,070 hey, we need to work this out. 524 00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:02,040 Am I honest opinion? 525 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:02,980 Yes. 526 00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:08,240 And I know Brian can hear me. 527 00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:14,580 We need to learn to agree to disagree and fix it. 528 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,020 Find middle ground because 529 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:24,170 this doesn't work. 530 00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:26,250 This is not that big of community. 531 00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:27,190 It's big enough. 532 00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:30,530 But it's not like we're living in Vancouver. 533 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,860 Anyway, that's all I have to say. 534 00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:37,850 Welcome. 535 00:42:37,850 --> 00:42:38,310 in 536 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:41,700 the stake, in 537 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,900 the stake, the right people on. 538 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,440 And I think these two members are the heart and soul 539 00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,600 of this planning commission. 540 00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:04,370 If he was saying to lose on this way, 541 00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:07,570 it would be a slap in the face to all of us. 542 00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:10,850 And I don't think we're going to afford to lose that. 543 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,020 Yeah, it'll all come. 544 00:43:17,070 --> 00:43:17,770 What's that? 545 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,580 We get the recording. 546 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:24,020 Looking for the coding. 547 00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:27,520 I could hear all of it pretty much. 548 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,160 and bless, I'll play it back. 549 00:43:29,380 --> 00:43:30,980 Hopefully the recording works out. 550 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,320 Does anyone else have anything to add before we adjourn? 551 00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:40,890 Go ahead, Pablo. 552 00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:48,830 So since you guys voted to put them before Council again, 553 00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:53,890 I would, I would suggest that they 554 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:56,310 reach out 555 00:43:56,310 --> 00:43:57,870 to Council members independently. 556 00:43:58,530 --> 00:44:05,750 We ever come, we should website at the minimum I would encourage 557 00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:14,950 them to attend the council meetings so we can I want to make an important distinction to also 558 00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:19,030 I'm not opposed to having people who do not live 559 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,020 as a huge resource and knowledge base 560 00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:32,270 it's always good to have outside eyes so my other council members had concerns about that that's 561 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:43,240 I would encourage them to come to the council meeting and to communicate with the council. 562 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,320 I'm going to be asking for us to put them on the commission. 563 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,380 Yala 564 00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:53,610 Yala 565 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,260 It is going to be next Tuesday, May 10th. 566 00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:29,130 That's all. I make 567 00:45:32,620 --> 00:45:39,440 a motion to adjourn. I second it. Good job, 568 00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:49,010 guys. Get a good job. Thank you, Tom. 569 00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:52,780 Thank you. Well, 570 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,080 I do the same thing.