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Yeah, we're live.

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» Like to call to order the June 2nd, 226

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council workshop.

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Could I have a roll call, please?

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» Council person

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» Here. Council person Murphy

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» Here.

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» Council person Ziggler

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» Here.

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» Person Cooper

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» Here.

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» Council President Coffman.

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» Council person [music] buyers

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» Here.

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here.

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» Mayor

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» Here.

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» If you'd like, please.

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» That's great.

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All right. And uh please join us in a

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pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of

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the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Great. Are there any additions,

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deletions, or reorganization of the

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agenda? [cough]

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[clears throat]

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Could I have a motion to approve the

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agenda as published?

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» So moved.

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» Second.

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» Motion by council person Murphy. Second

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by council person Gezy to approve the

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agenda as published. All in favor?

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» I.

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» Anyone opposed?

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All right. Uh, next citizen comments.

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The first item we have is Sharon

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Lintner.

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» Good evening. Um, I wanted to go

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back to uh actually to May 18th of the

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bid opening. I was present for the bid

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opening and during that uh process, the

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solicitor announced that this was in all

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respects a responsive bid. Everything we

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need to consider this a responsive bid.

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And the solicitor then stated there was

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going to be an executive session that

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evening to quote discuss the bid. There

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had to be nine sets of eyes on this

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document from between May 18th and May

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26th. And yet apparently no one caught

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the fact that the 60-day requirement was

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missing. It seems the bid should have

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been rejected long before it became an

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agenda item. The public should have been

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informed immediately, not 4 hours into

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the meeting. As I recall, the council

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vice president said that May 26 was the

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first time they had to discuss this,

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which differs from what the solicitor

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stated, and I wasn't real familiar with

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the term responsive bid. So, I did have

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to do a little research on that. And in

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municipal contracting, a responsive bid

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means the contractor's proposal meets

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all the procedural, administrative, and

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technical requirements outlined in the

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bureau's solicitation document. It

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signifies the vendor provided the right

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paperwork, agreed to the bureau's exact

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terms, and submitted the bid on time.

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And my understanding is that the vice

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president also did write the RFP. So,

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I'm just wondering what what happened.

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Am I wrong in thinking that this could

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have been rejected on the spot because

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it did not contain the proper things

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that were required

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» At the bid opening. We did not read

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we we verified that each of the items

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that we had requested. We verified that

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each of those were present which was all

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we required um at that time and one of

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those items that we required them to

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address was timeline. We did not look at

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the details at the bid opening. We

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looked to verify that they were there.

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» Well he did mention the 4% that was

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required. I know he said that and he

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» And then what what happened though? I

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mean if you had an executive session and

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then did you not have those

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» The bid with you from did you have to

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turn them back in or did you have that

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in your possession to read it?

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» We did. We did have those. Yes.

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» So you had plenty of time actually to to

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read them. You would think somebody

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would have caught it.

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» Yes. Some of us did catch it. But then

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why wouldn't it have been rejected

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before we even put it on the agenda?

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» Because when we have a responsive bid,

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we have to award or reject that bid at a

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public meeting.

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» But how was it responsive? because the

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definition doesn't

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» Because we did a we did sort of a hybrid

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of a sealed bid.

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all that is was required was to meet was

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to contain the information that we had

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requested. We requested a timeline.

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They gave us a timeline.

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It doesn't it didn't meet what we wanted

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and that is can be the basis for

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rejection.

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But just because it doesn't meet our

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expectation doesn't mean it's not

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responsive because it did include their

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timeline.

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» But I'm still going to ask if it's

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statemandated 60-day.

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I I just don't see how that fits into

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this. But okay. Thank you for trying to

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explain that to me. Um, also just really

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quickly, I didn't speak at the last

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meeting, so I'm gonna make up for it

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tonight. [laughter]

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» A little more on the mic.

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» Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Um, I just wanted

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to make a suggestion, too. If there is

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ever a meeting that you anticipate that

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kind of a crowd again, I think it would

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be wise to have a numbered signin sheet

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because how in the world, you know, you

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had to ask people to leave and I don't

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think that was right in the first place,

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but you had to ask people to leave in

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order to proceed with the meeting. I

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think it should have been cancelled, but

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if you had a numbered sign-in sheet, you

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could tell when you were hitting the

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maximum capacity and then you would know

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what your decision was going to be. I

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don't know who counted heads to know

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enough people even left that room. I

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mean, I don't even think they did

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because it was standing room only, but

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um I mean, certainly I know there were

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people outside, but okay. So, that's

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just a suggestion there. And um

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as far as the ebikes and scooters, I

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almost got hit on my own sidewalk trying

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to work it on yard work that I was doing

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that I had to reach around my retaining

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wall. And I mean the guy came so fast

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out of nowhere I couldn't even hear him

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coming. And I mean I'm elderly. If I get

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hit by one of them I'm going to break

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like an egg. And I just think why do we

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[clears throat] can we this is my

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suggestion. Can the police if they stop

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them for that? Can they confiscate?

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Okay. So if they take the ebike or the

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scooter, is it possible for them to hold

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it until they would like complete some

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type of safety course at the market

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house or something? Hold one once a

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month or something or once every six

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months. I mean, if you want them to get

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the the bike back in a timely fashion,

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you would almost have to I didn't know

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if that was even legal to make them do

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something like that, but I just think

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the word would spread pretty quick

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because nobody's going to want to sit in

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that. And it's not just kids doing this.

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This guy was a complete adult. I mean,

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riding right down the sidewalk very

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fast, faster than I say some of the cars

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traveled. And he was gone. I would have

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never even known who hit me. And then,

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you know, this morning we're rounding a

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corner and here comes a kid on a a

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scooter, motorized scooter. And I mean,

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we're like head on to each other and I

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got a picture from another guy in town

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saying, "Here it is." I said, "Well,

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it's all over the place. Every time we

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drive through, that's what we see." So,

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» May I respond, Sharon? Yes.

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» Just I I have a little bit of experience

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on for picture. So, uh, the statute does

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allow us to, um, seize, uh, those things

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in the commission of the crime. Um, once

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there's a dispos disposition on that

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crime, uh, if that person is found

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guilty, the, uh, county, uh, can apply

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for forfeite and the county would um,

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receive the site the whatever offending

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ebike or whatever cycle it was. um as a

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bureau we couldn't retain them merely

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and uh request or require them to take a

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class. That wouldn't be uh legal. But uh

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I think the mayor and I are looking to

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sit down and talk and uh look at a more

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restrictive policy for those ebikes in

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the very near future.

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» Okay. Thank you for that because I I

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really feel it's dangerous. I mean I at

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this point for pedestrians and drivers.

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» I completely agree because had a few

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runins this weekend myself. So,

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» Thank you.

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» And honestly, if we start seasoning

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bikes and scooters, word will get out

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there.

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» Yes, it will.

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» It'll get out there fast.

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» It only takes a few and then people

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start get the message when they're

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» When their bikes are being auctioned.

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» Thank you.

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» All right. Uh the next sign up is Mary

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Whitiser.

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Hi Frank. I'm good.

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» I'm not that tall. Oh, Mary Wickheiser.

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Good evening. Um, this morning my daily

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walk, needless to say, takes me on

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Walnut Street.

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And this morning the lights down at the

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intersection of Front and Walnut are

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flashing. They are yellow for Front

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Street. They are red for Walnut Street.

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As you come from the river park, there's

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a sign says do not stop on tracks. Now,

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if you're coming out of the river park,

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and my I was always taught, maybe I'm

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wrong, a flashing red light means you

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stop.

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If it's a yellow light, you proceed with

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caution.

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So, we're kind of back to the stop sign

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that used to be there. [clears throat]

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My concern with that, not only Norfolk

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Southern might get a little

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tick that we've got cars stopping on the

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tracks,

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but you've got a lot more people coming

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out of that river park than when it was

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a stop sign. When it was a stop sign, it

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was mainly the locals.

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knew

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that they knew how to handle that

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intersection.

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So for how many years now has that been

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a signaled intersection?

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do the pedestrian

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crossings still work? You got a lot more

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pedestrians going across Front Street

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than you ever had? I am seriously

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concerned if that's going to stay that

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way for the next six months.

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It was working this morning, Mary. I was

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down there before you.

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» Yeah,

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» The signals worked and the buttons

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worked because I used the buttons a

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little.

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» Okay.

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» And come [music] back again.

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» So, something must have happened while

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they were doing the construction today.

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» I don't know.

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» That might have knocked it out of whack.

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» Yeah, I was talking to Jake down there.

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I ran into him. I don't know.

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» He said he was.

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» Okay. So, we're back to regular red

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green.

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» Yeah,

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» I'll let you know if it happens again.

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[laughter]

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Um, the other thing I had sent an email

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last week

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and part of that email I think I sent it

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to Derek, to Leo,

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and to Jack, and it had to do with the

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sleepers down there, the curbing which

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is being taken care of.

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But over on Chestnut Street, there is a

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sign at Second and Chestnut that says

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road closed ahead.

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There is nothing at that jug handle. If

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you understand what I mean by the jug

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handle coming off of the bridge, there

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is nothing there. This morning as I came

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up second from Walnut Walking, there was

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a fire truck and four cars had come off

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on the jug handle.

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So

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there needs to be signage there

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where that curve we we always call them

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jug handles because if you look at that

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intersection you could pick it up by the

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jug handles. So I really think there's

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you need another sign. They've got to

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put another sign over there.

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» Thank you for

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» Derek did get back to me. He said it's

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mainly a pendot project. So there was

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nothing he could intervene with as far

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as that went. Um

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several months ago there was a local

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businessman in here and he had wanted to

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put signage

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on the fence down along 441.

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» Has anything been done to advance that?

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Has that fallen along the way? I know he

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was really

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at that point looking for something to

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be able to promote his business and

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possibly other businesses in town.

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» He he should he has a sign

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» On the fence.

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» Yes.

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» Good.

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» If the sign meets [music] the sign

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» Ordinance.

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» Okay.

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» And he has permission from Pendot, which

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I'm assuming.

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» No. Pendot.

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» Pendot said it's not our baby. That's

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yours.

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» Okay.

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» Okay. If the burrow approves it, someone

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comes in and proves and asks to put a

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sign there.

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» The burough approves it and it meets the

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sign

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height and width, they can put it there.

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» Yeah, he has a sign there. I was just as

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at his last week, he was talking

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» That way. So,

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» Couple days after that meeting, he had

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his sign.

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» Good. Good. Oh, my favorite subject,

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cats.

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It's not getting any better. People, you

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got to stop letting people feed them.

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Now we've got skunks coming up because

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the food's outside overnight.

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I got a dog. Do you ever try cleaning a

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dog that's been skunked?

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» I don't need that. None of you do.

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No one in this town does.

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If the food's out overnight, we can we

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can enforce that through codes because

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if if they have a registered colony, the

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food should not be out overnight.

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» And this registered colony thing,

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according to that ordinance, there's all

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kind of reports are supposed to be made

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on a yearly basis. Are you guys getting

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reports

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on these colonies? No, it's not

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colonies. It's just every cat from 30

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blocks around coming to these places.

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They go from this one to this one to

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this one. And then they go up on the

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garage roof and sit there to try and get

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the birds in the trees.

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It has got to end. We did not have this

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problem until they were allowed to feed

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them. The colonies aren't working. Thank

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you.

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» Thank you. Um, next sign up is John

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Wakefield.

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Okay. I'm the commander of common

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American Legion, the

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» Representing the

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police department,

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» The Columbia Police Department for the

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» Yeah, everything's there for the

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Columbia

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Police Department.

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» All right.

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» Thank you very much. Mhm.

401
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» Can we stand out front here?

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» I want to get a picture of you. Not a

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motorcycle.

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[snorts]

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[laughter]

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» Holly, what is the amount?

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» Thank you so much.

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» [laughter]

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[applause]

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» Thank you very much.

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» Yes. Thank you. Thank you to the

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American Legion.

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» Thank you.

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» Uh next sign up is Frank Dick.

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Good good evening [clears throat] you

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all. Uh

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I'm a little bit calmed down more since

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the last council meeting, but uh I want

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to give you my take on that meeting. I

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want to tell you about the good, the

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bad, and the ugly.

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When I walked into that room, I seen the

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microphones on the table,

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the streaming

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and and the uh

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the podium with a microphone. And I

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said, "Boy, things are really turned

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around." And I was about ready to clap,

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but I just I thought that is turning

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things around.

431
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uh now as far as the meeting the bottom

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line council did the right thing

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uh to vote for it actually that wasn't a

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true vote council didn't vote their true

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feelings and we don't know really how it

436
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would have went but I'm hearing as of

437
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,640
today there's these data sees go data

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centers going in in Lancaster they're

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looking at one up where wise was They're

440
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going in different places and they're

441
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taking workers like from York over to

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welding shop. I just found out they're

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taking all their good workers to help

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build these buildings. So, they're going

445
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in, folks. Uh you're not going to stop

446
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them. Uh the people at that meeting

447
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,120
thought, "Yay, yay. We won." Uh they

448
00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:39,280
upset that meeting so bad. They didn't

449
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:43,520
win nothing. You did what you had to do.

450
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:46,080
Now, as far as the meeting, folks, I

451
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went to a lot of meetings in my time. It

452
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,679
was the worst, I mean, the worst meeting

453
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I ever attended.

454
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Council,

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that the B manager,

456
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uh, you were there, Holly, the mayor sit

457
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there.

458
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You did nothing. It's your job to keep

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the the quorum and everything down. As a

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matter of fact, this was put out by

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council says civilry and decorum burough

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officials and members of the public are

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expected to conduct themselves with

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civetry and to accord each other a

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measurement of dignity and respect.

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Shouting, foul language, personal

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insults, threats, attacks, or any

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conduct of that disrupts the flow of

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business is out of order.

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Where were you all at? Was you at a

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different meeting I was at,

472
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» Frank? No, we were all at that same

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meeting. We all sat up there and we took

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it. Do you know why

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» You you were afraid?

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» No, we were not afraid.

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» But as council, we act as a body.

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We don't have indiv we're we're we act

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as a body. We speak as a body and we are

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represented by the chair of council.

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We don't overrun and and go out. We are

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we are led by a leader and that's you

483
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didn't have a leader that night.

484
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» Anyone had the right you had the

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information to end that meeting. You

486
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were sitting on your butts doing

487
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absolutely nothing.

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» Robert's rules of order dictate the

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order of meetings. Robert's rules of

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order dictate that you can't discuss

491
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that that the that the board cannot make

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have discussions on an agenda item until

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there's an until there's a motion and a

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second.

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» In that in the case of that meeting, the

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public began speaking before the board

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was allowed to speak. Had the board been

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allowed to speak,

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» We would we would have been able that up

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and and

501
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» The questions the questions that come up

502
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,240
to the board could have answered

503
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,400
everything right there. That meeting

504
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,039
didn't have to be that long. Uh the

505
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mayor had a suit on with a tie. Uh

506
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Ziggler, you had a suit on with a tie

507
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and our solicitor had on. That wasn't

508
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right. us sitting in the audience that

509
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that was just painful just sitting there

510
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and we had to stay to the end to find

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out. I would have left early but we had

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we had to end too.

513
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» Yes. But you could have ended it.

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Heather, you know, and I know you're

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you're talking about the rules. You just

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don't follow rules all the time. Come

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on.

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» I I know.

519
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» Uh anyway, it was absolutely terrible.

520
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Uh and like I say, you had information.

521
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you could have ended it. Uh it didn't

522
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have to go that long. Uh

523
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two of the people that night, uh the men

524
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of the night, uh Kelly and Asen, you

525
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spoke up. You tried to get them calmed

526
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down. That was every time somebody

527
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spoke. Why did you let that go like

528
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:12,480
that?

529
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I I mean, it it was just cruel. Um, uh,

530
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,039
I noticed Jack didn't say nothing.

531
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,600
Barrett didn't say nothing. Council

532
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,080
didn't say nothing. It was somebody's

533
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job to to

534
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,360
orchestrate that to get that to go the

535
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:29,679
right way. The one large cop, uh, I

536
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:32,559
think it's Mr. Solders, he was there. He

537
00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:35,440
even walked up in front of the the

538
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council waiting for somebody to tell

539
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:41,679
him, "Hey, do your job.

540
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Get get these people calmed down.

541
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:46,559
Nobody

542
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you you were just afraid. That's just

543
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:49,440
what I seen. Whether you like that or

544
00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:52,400
not, I don't know.

545
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,559
» With all due respect, sir, it was our

546
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position there to listen to the comments

547
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of the people that came to that meeting

548
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:00,400
that wish to share them. Just like you

549
00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:02,799
come to provide your comments. We don't

550
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,280
have the right to stop you or ignore you

551
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:07,520
or disregard what you have to say. And

552
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:10,720
it was our place to listen. And yeah,

553
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:13,200
they were rowdy, but in my opinion, I

554
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,840
was there to listen to every comment uh

555
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,200
in regards to this extremely important

556
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,679
decision.

557
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,760
» How do you explain this civic tree and

558
00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,320
decorum? How do you explain that?

559
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,720
» I I guess that's a double-edged sword

560
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,880
because not to throw any stones, but

561
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,600
like for your phone ringing the entire

562
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,720
meeting, I guess that would have fit in.

563
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,600
Mhm.

564
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,039
» Well, we we used to have, as you well

565
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:42,480
know, the statement about this property

566
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:44,559
decorum and meetings on our agenda. Um,

567
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,240
that's one of the improvements that when

568
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,000
our council president gets back, I want

569
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,679
to talk to him about I want we

570
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,840
definitely need to have that put back

571
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:53,200
on. I'm not going to argue with you. It

572
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,480
was it was

573
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,240
» 14 and a half years on council without

574
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,720
compare.

575
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,440
Not absolutely

576
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,919
10 times the worst I've ever been at.

577
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,760
» Thank you.

578
00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:08,880
» I've been council president for four

579
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,720
years. I would never appreciate somebody

580
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,840
speaking over me or trying to overrun me

581
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,919
while I was running a meeting. I'm not

582
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,840
saying it was run well, properly,

583
00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:18,640
whatever. I'm not saying that

584
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:21,520
suggestions were made. Some were taken.

585
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:23,919
Some weren't. And how I handled it was

586
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,000
when my came my turn came to speak, you

587
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:27,760
hear what I said. I said, I sat here and

588
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,919
listened to you politely. You're going

589
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,080
to sit there and be quiet for me or I'm

590
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:33,760
I can sit here till one o'clock waiting

591
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,720
for you to be quiet so I can speak. I'm

592
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,600
not going to compete.

593
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,919
» But Kelly, not in that manner. Not in

594
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,600
that manner. Nobody.

595
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:43,200
Believe me, what I seen,

596
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,400
» Honestly, if I was president, it would

597
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,440
have been handled differently, but I'm

598
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,240
not.

599
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,880
» Right.

600
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,039
» But I think any of you are sitting up

601
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,440
there and you see something like that,

602
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:55,679
you bring the police out, you have them

603
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,520
there, but you don't use them. They

604
00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:00,320
could have they could have squashed this

605
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,880
immediately and then you also could have

606
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,480
by by bringing out the results. So that

607
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,320
don't don't tell me that you you're

608
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:10,320
following the rules all the time because

609
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:13,200
we sit here we see what's going on. Uh

610
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:16,960
here's another issue. How did you know

611
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,840
there was no no u

612
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:24,000
weapons in that audience?

613
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:26,320
Did you think to ever check anybody?

614
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,919
I'm not picking on you co I'm talking

615
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,799
you council as you're not saying

616
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,720
anything that wasn't said

617
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,919
» That was an ideal situation for us

618
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,600
» Not saying anything that wasn't said

619
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:38,080
» It was it was just terrible

620
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:41,520
» And honestly Frank the

621
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:44,880
the reason we've flagged and sharing the

622
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:48,400
number of people in that room

623
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:51,679
the reason that we said at that point it

624
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,480
needed we needed to pair down the crowd

625
00:26:51,679 --> 00:26:56,799
it wasn't just the sheer number. But

626
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,919
when people stood at that podium and

627
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,720
started inciting the mob mentality to

628
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:01,200
come out

629
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,279
» Yeah.

630
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,679
» It got unsafe.

631
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:06,480
» Yeah.

632
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:09,440
» And that's when I worried about weapons

633
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,279
and this and and physical harm. It

634
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,840
wasn't just the sheer number. It was

635
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:16,559
about the behavior of the people

636
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,840
speaking, the behavior of the crowd then

637
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:22,799
yelling and, you know, getting everyone

638
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,279
riled up. Not not only that, Heather,

639
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:28,320
they degraded council. They didn't

640
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:30,640
respect council whatsoever. The mayor,

641
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,799
chief, the mer manager. That's what teed

642
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,400
me off. They they took over the meeting.

643
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:38,240
They controlled the meeting and that's

644
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:42,720
what teed me off. I still felt that the

645
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:45,360
council, the mayor, whoever, uh uh the

646
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,600
police chief, whatever, they could have

647
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,000
done something about that. And nobody

648
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,200
did nothing. And that's what had me so

649
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,600
burned up. I had

650
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,399
» You see they had pizza delivered?

651
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,919
» I

652
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,039
» They were passing out pizza in the

653
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,960
middle of the meeting. Yep.

654
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,840
» Walking between the speaker and the

655
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600
board.

656
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960
» Well, I would hope

657
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,360
» That's the pinnacle of respect.

658
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,080
» I would hope Colombia would never go

659
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:10,080
through this again. The Burough Council,

660
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:14,240
I had a lot of comments. They sit down,

661
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:18,799
had a lot of talks. Uh uh now they're

662
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:22,720
coming out and and uh saying well uh a

663
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:24,480
sleazy mayor and his seven dwarfs could

664
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600
have did something at that meeting in

665
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,399
the end. But these are people that

666
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,399
wasn't even there that brought this

667
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:33,279
stuff up. Now they're labeling council

668
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:35,840
because they let this stuff go.

669
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,399
» Frank Gan and I are up at the PSAB

670
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,000
conference this week. We we're up there

671
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:40,640
every day.

672
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,320
» Jean and I

673
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:48,559
» Oh, okay. And uh I had no less than five

674
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:52,320
people come up to me so far and say they

675
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:55,039
either read the stories,

676
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:57,919
heard the stories or saw a video came

677
00:28:55,039 --> 00:29:01,760
across their Facebook feed

678
00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:03,919
and they were from across the state

679
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:07,039
and they wanted to know the story. So,

680
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:09,760
no, it was not a good look for Colombia.

681
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:13,440
» And and I just felt

682
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:16,559
you being in power had the authority to

683
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,520
stop that and you just sat on it. And

684
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:24,159
then uh it even come out about the mayor

685
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:25,600
being uh in office 25 years. Apparently,

686
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:27,600
he didn't learn nothing because I'm sure

687
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:31,600
he could have stood up and made a big

688
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,919
difference if he if he thought to do so.

689
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,440
» No, hold on, Frank. Go ahead.

690
00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:38,159
» U,

691
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:43,440
the chief and I talked prior to the

692
00:29:38,159 --> 00:29:46,080
meeting that day and we had officers

693
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,600
were stationed at certain places. If you

694
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,679
saw the chief was on one end of the of

695
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,000
the table, I was on the other end of the

696
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:59,279
table.

697
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,960
We we made it known that if

698
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:04,000
and I don't want to throw anybody under

699
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:07,840
the bus, but if we were if we were

700
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,880
looked at and given the nod, we were

701
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,600
going to act. We had several people in

702
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:16,000
that audience targeted

703
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,000
that they were w officers were watching

704
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,640
and if there had been one false move,

705
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,399
they had been out of there. So, we were

706
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,120
the department was sitting there ready

707
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:27,600
to act

708
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,320
but didn't get the go-ahad and I don't

709
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,799
have the authority to do that at that

710
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,480
meeting as much as I would have loved

711
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,039
to.

712
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,640
I I left it up to the council council's

713
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,960
meeting.

714
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:44,000
We didn't get the call so we didn't act.

715
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,360
But believe me, every one of those

716
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,679
officers in there that night were poised

717
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,679
and ready to act.

718
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:53,520
And all they needed was the nod.

719
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:55,360
» Well, [clears throat] there was one

720
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,919
» I'll agree with you. It was terrible. It

721
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,440
was terrible.

722
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,120
» There was one officer out there. I never

723
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,960
seen him before and I don't know if he

724
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,120
was from Hempfield or somewhere else,

725
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,880
but he told me who all the groups were,

726
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,120
where they were from, and they were

727
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,960
congregating outside, and I really

728
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,159
appreciated that. But he said, "You

729
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,480
better get in there, you won't get a

730
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:15,919
seat." And well, my good friend here

731
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,200
saved me one. But still, I I I just

732
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:22,000
hated that that they degraded council. I

733
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:25,120
try to respect you as much as I can. But

734
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,799
there's times that that I just can't.

735
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,480
But but uh

736
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:31,039
» Frank, I give you credit for what you

737
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:33,039
did at the meeting. Um you know, we've

738
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:35,039
had our differences over the years.

739
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:38,799
Yeah. Not just I mean personal, but

740
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:40,559
council. And to give you credit, I'm not

741
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,640
going to mention anybody's name.

742
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,640
Somebody in this in this burrow came up

743
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,679
to me and said, "Boy, you know, it's a

744
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,440
rough a rough meeting when Frank Dick is

745
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:51,760
sitting there and he is the voice of

746
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,480
reason in the middle of a meeting."

747
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,880
» Well,

748
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,120
» Wow.

749
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,039
» I I just I tried to be respectful. I

750
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,760
just

751
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:01,279
I was sitting there, too, but believe

752
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,919
me, if I would have been sitting there

753
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:06,159
that night, uh Eric Kaufman probably

754
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:09,919
would have resigned the next day because

755
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:11,840
I I would have chewed him out bad. Uh,

756
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:13,600
and I still think he ought to resign for

757
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,600
not just sitting there with his hands.

758
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,279
You had the fivem minute break. And I

759
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,360
said, Eric, you've got to do something

760
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,679
about this. Well, he says, "We're going

761
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,880
to sweat them out."

762
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:24,720
You're not sweating them. You're

763
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,279
sweating all of us out. You're you're

764
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,080
you're making all of us.

765
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:32,000
» Yes. That's what he said. And And

766
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,760
believe me, it's just I'll never forget

767
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,039
that meeting. And I don't know what

768
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:39,039
yours are going to do at the next

769
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:40,640
meeting that they have, but uh but also

770
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,120
I'm hearing that they're putting these

771
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,720
data centers in all over. And I agree

772
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,279
you you did the right thing at that

773
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,039
meeting. Uh

774
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,960
» I'll get off of that subject. I just got

775
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:55,279
one other thing here. What is being done

776
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,799
with the tow truck ordinance that we

777
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:02,320
have? It's my understanding that

778
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:06,080
over the years it was supposed to be

779
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,000
as one uh gets called at night. Now they

780
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:13,320
they rotate. There was three of them

781
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,320
that rotated. Is this still going on?

782
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,960
» Frank, you keep bringing this up and I

783
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:20,559
don't I don't think anyone has actually

784
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,960
» Address this, but this is not an

785
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,440
ordinance.

786
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,960
» It's not an ordinance. This is this is a

787
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:30,399
operational matter and and and it's not

788
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,000
under the purview of of council. I mean

789
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:35,120
this is one of those one of those

790
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,080
non-legislative things that we delegate

791
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,600
to the manager to the police department

792
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,640
for operational procedures.

793
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,760
» But Heather council or the mayor not the

794
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,840
mayor council or the police department

795
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,919
has been running this and controlling

796
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,600
this.

797
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:52,880
So if it's not in orders, they shouldn't

798
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,760
be doing this. Then

799
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,880
» This police department,

800
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,399
» The council has not been

801
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,880
» Council has nothing to do with this. And

802
00:33:56,399 --> 00:34:00,799
the police department when they they

803
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,679
have a policy, they have a procedure for

804
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:06,240
when they need to call a tow truck

805
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:08,159
» And that is handled strictly by the

806
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,320
police department.

807
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,040
That that's not in our perview.

808
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:16,639
» For year for years, we you're absolutely

809
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:19,760
right. for years and and up until unless

810
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,359
it changed and I wasn't aware of it. The

811
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,359
officers

812
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,320
picked like one, two, three, one, two,

813
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:29,200
three that that way. Uh I went through

814
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,520
this several times with Glen Keller over

815
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,839
the years and what would happen is if

816
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,240
someone gets called and they don't

817
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:39,679
respond, they lose their turn until it

818
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:42,639
goes comes back around again.

819
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:46,320
The department is in the process of

820
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:48,320
putting that that policy in place. One

821
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,040
of the problems we have that we didn't

822
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,639
act on it right away, but it is in place

823
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,119
right now. But in order to act enact the

824
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,800
policy because the department is going

825
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,280
through

826
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:04,079
uh certification

827
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,440
it has to be the policy has to be

828
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:10,240
written sent to the certification group

829
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,720
and they have to approve it and then

830
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:14,720
comes back to us and and is enacted. So

831
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,640
it's a matter of it's not just us

832
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,560
creating policy and putting it in place.

833
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,280
Although in the interim, we're still

834
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:25,440
going to one, two, three. One of the one

835
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:27,280
of the sticking points right now is

836
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,240
how do how do you do it? Do you set it

837
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:33,119
up by the week, by the month, or by the

838
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:35,680
day? Okay. And we're talking with the

839
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,280
the chief is talking with the officers.

840
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,440
What is the best way for them to

841
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,160
implement this? Do they want to do it

842
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:45,440
weekly, monthly, or whatever? But it has

843
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,280
to go to certification and come back.

844
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,079
The other part of that that people don't

845
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:54,000
realize is if you're involved in an

846
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:57,040
accident and your vehicle must be towed,

847
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:00,720
you have the right to call any tower

848
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:04,160
that you want. So so many times when

849
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:06,800
other towers see other groups

850
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,880
make making the tow, they just assume

851
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,000
that the that the police department did

852
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:14,880
that. And many times it isn't. the the

853
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,160
individual who owns the car said, "No, I

854
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:20,480
want XYZ to pick my vehicle up." Just

855
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,200
like me, if if I was involved in an

856
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:26,000
accident and I get my work done, say at

857
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,839
at at Apple, I would say, "No, call

858
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,839
Apple, have them come pick it up because

859
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:31,920
I don't want to pay a tow bill

860
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:34,320
» To tow it somewhere and then have to tow

861
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,880
it somewhere else to be fixed."

862
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,800
» And also insurance companies. Yeah. Like

863
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,480
someone calls State Farm and they say,

864
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,560
"Oh, I need roadside assistance because

865
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,160
I wrecked my car." State Farm is going

866
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,040
to call whoever State Farm is going to

867
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,079
call it.

868
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,920
» So 3A's,

869
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:51,119
» Right? And AAA is the same thing.

870
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,920
» So it's it's a it's weird, but we will

871
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:57,599
have a policy that says this is who's

872
00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:00,000
called whatever day or week,

873
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:02,320
first, second, third.

874
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:05,119
» I think they all want this. They all

875
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,960
want a policy. of the the ones that I

876
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,119
talked to. I didn't talk to all of them,

877
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:12,480
» But they they all want a policy and

878
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:14,000
there's a lot connected to that. Uh uh

879
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,520
maybe you want maybe you want to call

880
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,920
the Ford garage to come pick your car

881
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,440
up. Well, that could be an extra hour or

882
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,880
something like that. And if the cars in

883
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,359
the center of the road or whatever,

884
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,839
there's so many issues. This was why we

885
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:28,880
wanted to sit down with council, get

886
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:30,800
them all here, find out their their

887
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,640
issues. But how are you going to do

888
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,960
that? You're going to do it like it was

889
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,920
done. What was the guy's name across

890
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,960
from Savemore up on the hill? I did that

891
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,839
for years.

892
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,160
» Jeff. Jeff.

893
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:43,359
» Jeff.

894
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:45,760
» Jeff. Jeff. Yeah. My understanding he

895
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:47,760
got mostly all the towing. And I guess

896
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,400
that's where color from then,

897
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160
» You know.

898
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,800
» Yeah.

899
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,720
» But Glenn,

900
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,079
got him.

901
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,520
» Glenn would only take the calls he

902
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,440
wanted.

903
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,520
» And then he say, I I I'm not getting any

904
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,119
calls. Well, after a while, I guess

905
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,920
people got tired of calling calling

906
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:08,160
Glenn. And then there again, Jeff had to

907
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,760
body shop and Glenn wasn't doing the

908
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,680
body work anymore. So,

909
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,760
you know, what do you do? You get you

910
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040
get uh the body shop to pick it up

911
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,240
because that's where it's going to end

912
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,040
up.

913
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,119
» Yeah. Well,

914
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,000
» It's it's not an easy thing, but we're

915
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:26,800
going to set the policy and it won't be

916
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,520
it won't be perfect because of all the

917
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,839
other implications to it.

918
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,480
» But but Leo, how do you do that without

919
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:38,400
getting their take? How do you come up

920
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,800
with all this information where truly my

921
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,520
gut feeling is this has been done wrong

922
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,040
all the time it's been done. And how do

923
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,000
you do that with not having the people

924
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,960
here? How how much different is it to do

925
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:53,440
one two three or whatever? You can't you

926
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,200
can't make it any different.

927
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,240
» Well, but if you got them here, you'll

928
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,119
find out why maybe number one was called

929
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:04,240
more than number two when you find out

930
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,040
when they're padded little extra dollars

931
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,560
here and there.

932
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,359
» I'm sure there'll be well because of the

933
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,760
certification they'll be recordeping.

934
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:14,720
that that's part of accreditation is the

935
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,200
documentation of who's being called when

936
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,200
by what officer and a lot goes into it

937
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,880
like the mayor said um they have to have

938
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,200
certain insurance everything has to be

939
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,040
state regulated so and we're looking at

940
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,960
within three to five miles you know we

941
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,400
don't want citizens having to travel 10

942
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,960
miles outside the burrow to get their

943
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,560
car so there's a lot of moving parts and

944
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,000
like I said everything that we do now

945
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560
moving forward has to go through the

946
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,520
accreditation company and then it comes

947
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,000
back to us none of them do it So

948
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,280
» This group you said Leo, you get all the

949
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,960
information together. You have to send

950
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,800
it to this group and then they approve

951
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,280
it or whatever they do. Who is this

952
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,839
group?

953
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,432
» It's it's it's an accreditation company.

954
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:52,000
» It's called Aspire [cough] Aspiring

955
00:39:51,432 --> 00:39:53,359
[clears throat]

956
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,800
Consulting.

957
00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:56,800
» Excuse me.

958
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,560
» They they they

959
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:03,040
do the accreditation to for police

960
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:06,640
departments in Pennsylvania to be listed

961
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,079
as a a certified police department.

962
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,800
» Okay. I I just never heard of that.

963
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,720
» Yeah, it's a lot of record people.

964
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,720
» Thanks for listening.

965
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,880
» Great. Is there anyone else that did not

966
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,880
sign up that would like to speak? Yes,

967
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,880
Scott.

968
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:27,040
» Scott Frederick.

969
00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:31,040
um to address some of your points.

970
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:33,280
Frank, I am your bud, but I respectfully

971
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,400
disagree

972
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,480
in the respect that

973
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,200
council doesn't deserve to be blasted

974
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,800
like they

975
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:47,920
just were. In my opinion,

976
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:52,880
it was an extremely emotionally charged

977
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:55,680
meeting. You showed a lot of restraint.

978
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,319
I thought when that one girl was

979
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,359
dropping the fbomb, I kind of tuned her

980
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:03,520
out at that point,

981
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:05,520
but

982
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,319
and then another girl talked for 11

983
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,920
minutes. I mean, I kept looking at Eric

984
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:11,599
going,

985
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,839
I mean, come on. I mean, it's supposed

986
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,680
to be 10, right? Is that my

987
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,720
understanding? Five. I thought we upped

988
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,280
that till 10.

989
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,160
» It's 10. It's 10, but basically, there's

990
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,760
no time limit,

991
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,640
» Right? It's five and then you can ask

992
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,000
for another 10 minutes and get it. Um, I

993
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,760
thought you guys showed a lot of

994
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,760
restraint,

995
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,760
the

996
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,960
abuse, if we want to call it that,

997
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:40,240
toward council and

998
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,079
the representatives.

999
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:46,480
Although I thought it got out of hand at

1000
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:50,079
sometimes at some points,

1001
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:52,000
I can honestly say that I can understand

1002
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:55,000
it and it was warranted to a certain

1003
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,000
degree.

1004
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,839
councils in the past.

1005
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:11,119
Like it or not, this council is taking

1006
00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:15,200
the brunt for prior councils that have

1007
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:18,079
disregarded citizen comments.

1008
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,839
If they'd be taken to heart, that

1009
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:23,200
property wouldn't even been bought

1010
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:26,560
because it was overwhelmingly do not buy

1011
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:28,800
it when it was bought. And we have some

1012
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,280
people that really pushed it through and

1013
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,760
it seemed like it was pushed through

1014
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,000
during the middle of the night.

1015
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:40,000
Um,

1016
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:42,880
honestly, I don't think again you guys

1017
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:45,520
you showed a lot of restraint.

1018
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:49,599
Kelly, I commend you

1019
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,079
because at times, yes, people shut up

1020
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:55,839
and listen to what the speaker is

1021
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:57,920
saying. It got out of hand a little bit,

1022
00:42:55,839 --> 00:43:00,160
but because it was such an emotionally

1023
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,280
charged thing,

1024
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:08,160
you got to give the citizens, Frank

1025
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,839
said, they were out of control. We are

1026
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:15,599
they.

1027
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:18,480
So, they were conveying to council what

1028
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:21,680
our thoughts were and it needs to be

1029
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:24,240
taken to heart. It needs to be taken to

1030
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,520
heart because we are the taxpayer. We

1031
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:31,440
are the ones that are footing the bill.

1032
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:35,440
You've gota You guys

1033
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,960
have been entrusted by votes to make a

1034
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,960
determination,

1035
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,560
but you can't disregard your

1036
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:44,000
constituents

1037
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,800
and it has to be open and it has to be a

1038
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,560
very clear process.

1039
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,119
» I'd just like to respond to that. I mean

1040
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,400
I more and there's a lot of people on

1041
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:54,480
council here sitting here that have been

1042
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,760
on council. I've been on council for 14

1043
00:43:54,480 --> 00:44:00,319
and a half years. I have worked with

1044
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,480
people from Mike Bury and Vern Dets on

1045
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:03,920
up to the current council. So a lot of

1046
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,400
different personalities, a lot of

1047
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,720
different viewpoints, etc., etc. I have

1048
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,800
never worked with a council that just

1049
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:13,200
said the hell with it. We'll just

1050
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,400
disregard what they say. What the public

1051
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,640
says has always influenced

1052
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,040
decisions that are made. Always, not

1053
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,359
sometimes, always. And I will tell you

1054
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,880
this much too,

1055
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:29,440
how bad that meeting was. You wonder why

1056
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,800
you can't get anybody decent in this

1057
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,960
town to run for council to fill some of

1058
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,680
these vacancies or even volunteer their

1059
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,920
time for these boards. Why in God's name

1060
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,000
would you want to submit yourself to

1061
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,680
crap like that? Why? You'd have to be

1062
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,440
insane. My wife tell me all the time,

1063
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,560
you've got to be crazy. You're going to

1064
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,880
be 16 years until you're done. Why? I

1065
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,640
said because I want to see the town

1066
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,359
better. You people don't believe that. I

1067
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,160
don't care.

1068
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:54,960
» Well, my wife

1069
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,200
» Can't help it.

1070
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,880
» My wife has suggested that I run for

1071
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,960
council.

1072
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,560
I say, and I've told Ethan,

1073
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,280
» Get thick skin. Start rubbing lemon on

1074
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,000
it right now.

1075
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,720
» Well, no. I have a thick skin cuz I

1076
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,520
don't care.

1077
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,040
» I'm Irish.

1078
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,920
» I don't care what people think about me.

1079
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,280
But my take is people don't want to hear

1080
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,760
the truth. And if you are full and you

1081
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:24,480
are right in their face and you tell

1082
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:27,280
them what you know to be true with the

1083
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,599
information that you have at hand,

1084
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,720
people don't want to hear it.

1085
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:33,119
» And

1086
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,960
» I'm one of these. You know what? you can

1087
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:37,200
go ddle yourself in the next room

1088
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,200
because I don't care what you think as

1089
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:44,480
long as I know in my heart of hearts

1090
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:48,079
what is right, what is just and what is

1091
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:53,359
fair to everybody.

1092
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:55,520
That's most important thing. Um,

1093
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:59,119
I was going to make one other comment,

1094
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:03,119
but it

1095
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:05,760
it went. So, uh, thank you for

1096
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,440
listening. I just had to get up and

1097
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,400
address some of the points that Frank

1098
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:13,680
made. Honestly, I think you guys did

1099
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:17,520
pretty darn well. I thought yes, it was

1100
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:21,040
a very high charge thing and oh, as far

1101
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:24,560
as the AI centers going up all over, let

1102
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:28,720
them go up all over. We can't take it

1103
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:30,000
here in this town. We shouldn't take it.

1104
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:31,920
Thank you.

1105
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,920
» One thing I'd like to I'd like to say,

1106
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,079
Scott, yes. Is

1107
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,880
» You know, everyone

1108
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:42,319
I I often hear what you said about you

1109
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,040
don't listen to the people. Well,

1110
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:48,319
there's always multiple sides

1111
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,440
» To the issue

1112
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:55,119
» And no matter what decision is made,

1113
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,960
it's always going to be

1114
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:58,319
against what someone believes.

1115
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,839
» Yeah. You can't please all the people

1116
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:01,359
all the time. So, please.

1117
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:03,839
» So,

1118
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,599
you say people were overwhelmingly

1119
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,480
against

1120
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:08,720
» The purchase,

1121
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
» Whatever.

1122
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,319
However,

1123
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,800
» And the

1124
00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:13,800
» We go by

1125
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,920
» The people that are coming to officially

1126
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:21,359
address us and also that we unofficially

1127
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,359
see in our daily lives.

1128
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:24,359
» Absolutely.

1129
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:30,400
» And I can honestly say when I sat here

1130
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:32,720
and voted for that purchase because Eric

1131
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,200
and I are the two that were here that

1132
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,720
that

1133
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,560
» I didn't name you. I didn't name you,

1134
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,880
but I said there were two. I know you

1135
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,400
want

1136
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,480
» I have some discretion.

1137
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,240
» But you know what?

1138
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,920
When we were sitting here making that

1139
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:46,480
decision,

1140
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:50,800
the majority of of the feedback we were

1141
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:54,079
hearing at the time was yes, we want a

1142
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:56,079
vehicle for economic development. We

1143
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:59,280
want something to happen that is going

1144
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:02,160
to expand our tax base and this is the

1145
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,119
this is the way to do it. And that is

1146
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,800
the feedback we heard. I'm not I'm not

1147
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,800
listening to the people that have the

1148
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,200
mom mentality on Facebook,

1149
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,880
» Right?

1150
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,240
» I'm not listening there. So, if that's

1151
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,760
where you're saying that's where the

1152
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,839
people are talking,

1153
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,480
» That they're keyboard warriors in my

1154
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:20,960
mind. Come and talk to me officially.

1155
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,760
Well, I was at the meetings during that

1156
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,760
time of the purchase.

1157
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,760
And

1158
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,960
I'm not going to ask you individually,

1159
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:37,119
the members of council, what they think,

1160
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,359
but when I spoke last week,

1161
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,400
I've always always always been a

1162
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:45,839
proponent of this. No municipality

1163
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,359
should own a forprofit

1164
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,559
property.

1165
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:54,000
If you're using it for municipal use,

1166
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:57,119
great. But if you're using it with the

1167
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,800
intent to make money off of it, that's a

1168
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:01,280
conflict of interest because you're

1169
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,760
making the ordinances and the provisions

1170
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,160
that that property owner has to abide

1171
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:09,440
by. I don't think that's fair. I don't

1172
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:13,200
think that's right. And I never will.

1173
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:16,720
» Give me speak to that. Go ahead.

1174
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,800
» The bureau bought the property.

1175
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:21,839
Okay?

1176
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,319
Not to make money off of, but to control

1177
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:26,000
what went there. If the burrow would

1178
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:28,400
not, if someone else would have bought

1179
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:31,440
that property,

1180
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,920
you could have had housing in there. You

1181
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,520
could have had uh factories in there,

1182
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,440
warehouses,

1183
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,480
the data center, and all. You could have

1184
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:43,760
had that whole myriad of oper people

1185
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:46,880
could have put it in there by by the

1186
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:50,079
burrow owning it and selling it the way

1187
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,400
they did. They had some control

1188
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:55,520
» And never sold it. May there

1189
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,480
» You never sold the property.

1190
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,480
» What? I don't know what you're saying.

1191
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:03,680
» You said when we had it and we sold it.

1192
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,520
» No. No. When

1193
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,960
when we purchased the property I may

1194
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,960
have missed. When we purchased the

1195
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:14,000
property, we had control, okay, over who

1196
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:17,119
bought it and what they bought it for,

1197
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,839
okay? Someone could have bought that

1198
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:22,079
from the family and put a data center in

1199
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:24,480
there. They could have put a warehouse

1200
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,720
in there, anything that fit within that

1201
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,800
zoning at that time. They could have put

1202
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,800
it all in there. And we said, "We don't

1203
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,880
want to take that gamble and have

1204
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,280
something in there that's not going to

1205
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,440
be conducive to the community. So, we're

1206
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:41,040
going to buy it

1207
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:43,440
and then we'll sell it and then we'll

1208
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,880
have the right by being to selling it.

1209
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,880
We have that right to find out what is

1210
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,040
going to go in there. And as you saw,

1211
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,960
the planning commission changed the

1212
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:56,319
zoning

1213
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:58,800
and and only allowed certain things

1214
00:50:56,319 --> 00:51:00,880
within that district so that they the

1215
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,960
bureau can control what's going to

1216
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,119
happen there.

1217
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,880
If if the bureau didn't own it and

1218
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,280
someone bought it, they could have done

1219
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:12,400
whatever zoning would have allowed.

1220
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,040
» Zoning, which we council,

1221
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,359
» Right,

1222
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,040
» Controls. And and with that with that

1223
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:20,000
whole thing, here's one of the most

1224
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:23,599
important things that came out last week

1225
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,920
that has to come out and has to be done

1226
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,160
before anything is this is me speaking

1227
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,160
now. Before anything's done with that

1228
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,839
property,

1229
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,119
one of the first things that has to

1230
00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:38,160
happen is

1231
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:40,720
there needs to be for data centers.

1232
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:44,000
Let's pick on data centers, okay? not

1233
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:47,520
other for data centers there has to be a

1234
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,760
text amendment that says you can do this

1235
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,119
this this and this and you can't do

1236
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,400
other things there are certain things

1237
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,400
you can't do that has to happen because

1238
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,319
data centers are coming and I don't know

1239
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,920
if we'll ever put a data center there

1240
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:03,359
that's that's up to the bureau and

1241
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:06,000
whoever but regardless

1242
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:08,559
you know someone could come in and offer

1243
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,400
the burrow

1244
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,480
$6 million for

1245
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,599
and say, "Well, we're going to hold it

1246
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,720
and we'll see what we're going to do

1247
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:19,599
with it." Okay. They could turn around

1248
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,920
the next day and put a data center in.

1249
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,960
» Not if it's against the zoning.

1250
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,760
» That's No, that it's it's allowed. It's

1251
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,839
It's allowed

1252
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,040
» Because just last year you guys put it

1253
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:29,599
in that it is allowed.

1254
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,480
» It has to be.

1255
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,480
» Take it out.

1256
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,839
» It has to be allowed somewhere in the

1257
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,480
municipality. By law,

1258
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:39,520
» It doesn't

1259
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,119
has to be allowed in Columbia Burrow.

1260
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:44,960
» Any really

1261
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:47,680
» In in in state law, your zoning

1262
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,200
ordinance must allow for every possible

1263
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:54,079
use. If it does not, you run the risk of

1264
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:56,000
being taken to court and you can they

1265
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:58,720
can declare that you are being

1266
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:02,319
exclusionary. In which case they would

1267
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:04,079
offer a curative amendment meaning the

1268
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:06,079
court would tell you how you have to

1269
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:08,000
change your zoning ordinance

1270
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,800
» And the court would say you have to

1271
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,599
allow it.

1272
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,800
» Yes,

1273
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:13,599
» That's the statement.

1274
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,280
» You have to allow the possibility of it.

1275
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,800
» You can put it anywhere.

1276
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:21,599
» Yes, you can put it anywhere.

1277
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:24,800
» The possibility of it, but you guys

1278
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,960
» In effect vote on it. But if we do not

1279
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,400
have it in the zoning ordinance,

1280
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,680
» If we don't have it in the zoning

1281
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,720
ordinance,

1282
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,720
» There's no vote.

1283
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,800
» Then there's there's no vote for it. It

1284
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:37,839
can go anywhere because the court says

1285
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,680
it can.

1286
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:41,280
» That's the way it works.

1287
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,440
» Yeah. There's some other businesses over

1288
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,599
the years that we took that same route

1289
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,359
to to tell them where they couldn't

1290
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,160
couldn't be, shall we say? You know what

1291
00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:49,760
I'm talking about?

1292
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,119
» Yep.

1293
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:56,319
» Okay. Okay. So yeah, the state law is is

1294
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:59,520
very clear and that's why that's why

1295
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:04,240
municipalities are trying very hard to

1296
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:06,319
get the ordinances in place because you

1297
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,960
can't just tell someone, "No, you can't

1298
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:12,240
locate that here because all it's going

1299
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,319
to take is couple couple of people going

1300
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:16,559
to court. Now your municipality is

1301
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:18,960
spending a whole lot of money on

1302
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:22,480
solicitor cost and you're fighting

1303
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,480
against state law.

1304
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,079
You can't say you're not allowed to do

1305
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520
that here.

1306
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:29,359
» Okay. We'll just say no. Whenever

1307
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,680
anybody says that they want to put an AI

1308
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:33,760
center out there, I think everybody

1309
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,960
knows that it would be catastrophic for

1310
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,160
our environment.

1311
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,760
» If we own it, we can do that

1312
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,040
» And that's the case now

1313
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,880
» And that's why we bought it.

1314
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,200
I don't agree with that decision, but

1315
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,720
okay, there might be some upside to it

1316
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,880
in that case.

1317
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:55,680
» But keep in mind what Colombia Burough

1318
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,760
has said last week. That's all I ask.

1319
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,480
» You know, if you put just one one side

1320
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,240
note,

1321
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,599
» If you were to put residential housing

1322
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:06,720
in there [snorts] in the back part, the

1323
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:09,040
back part probably meets the one mile

1324
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,800
threshold that Columbia Burough School

1325
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,800
District would have to bus every student

1326
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,880
in Columbia. Yep.

1327
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:18,920
» So that's that was another one why we

1328
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,920
didn't want housing in there.

1329
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:30,000
» No, but the issue there, Frank, you

1330
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,480
can't is is the majority of those

1331
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,559
retirement communities are nonprofit and

1332
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,640
the whole point of that pro of that of

1333
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:39,880
getting that parcel was to expand the

1334
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,880
tax base.

1335
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,440
No, Frank, I would consider as long as

1336
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,319
it's forward.

1337
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,960
» Yeah.

1338
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:46,319
» Absolutely.

1339
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,640
» No, it was not.

1340
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:50,960
» And pilots for

1341
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:53,119
» Hello everyone. My name is Damian. Um I

1342
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,359
live here in Colombia. I spoke with the

1343
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,640
mayor last week about the data center.

1344
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,440
» Damian, can you give your last name just

1345
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,240
we have it for the record?

1346
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:03,520
» It's Damen Bar. Uh I've been living in

1347
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:05,280
Plain Street uh since COVID. I bought my

1348
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:09,280
house during COVID. Thank god I didn't

1349
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:11,760
buy it now. Uh but anyway, uh some of

1350
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,480
the things that have been brought up is

1351
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,880
there is possible ways that we could

1352
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,119
restrict the data center even though

1353
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,319
it's against state law, right? And

1354
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,720
that's our up to our state

1355
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:25,200
representatives that they want to put in

1356
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:28,319
a momentum to stop the data centers,

1357
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:31,440
which be frank, they probably will never

1358
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:33,839
do that. Um, I have some burrow

1359
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,040
ordinances and some tax amendments if

1360
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:41,119
you'd like to look over them. It's puts

1361
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:43,040
a tax on anything that they produce, you

1362
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:45,440
know, restricts them using our

1363
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,440
electrical grid. Um, if they use a

1364
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,079
certain percentage over the normal use

1365
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,960
of a warehouse or regular house, there

1366
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:55,040
are taxed, you know, for every 1% it

1367
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,280
would be 5%. So, it would be like a

1368
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:00,880
rebate. Those are some of the things you

1369
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:04,000
can do legally to prevent possibly

1370
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,119
prevent a data center from going in. Um

1371
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,880
I spoke to I work two jobs. You know, I

1372
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:13,760
work 17 hours a day. Usually I'm tired.

1373
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:16,799
Um but when I was able to talk to

1374
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:19,119
citizens for an hour, just going around

1375
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:20,720
asking them what they thought, out of

1376
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,559
the hundred people that I was able to

1377
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,119
talk to in an hour, all of them said

1378
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:28,640
they didn't want a data center.

1379
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,440
So, how many people is that in an hour?

1380
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:35,119
Significant amount of people.

1381
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,799
» So, that that's just being said. Um, you

1382
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:39,200
know, kids in my generation don't want

1383
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:41,119
to come up and say anything because they

1384
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,599
feel like they have no voice. We've been

1385
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:45,599
taught we have no voice. You know,

1386
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:49,680
whether that be from our parents or

1387
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:51,440
media. Um, I think it's my job to start

1388
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,079
getting involved. I didn't even know

1389
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,280
about the meeting until I saw it on

1390
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,760
Facebook.

1391
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,920
» Um maybe there's a way that we could,

1392
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,799
you know, bring it to younger

1393
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:06,000
generations eyes a little bit better,

1394
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:09,119
you know, and there is

1395
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:12,319
a problem with how people act, but

1396
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:14,319
that's been that way since co people

1397
00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:17,760
can't handle their emotions properly

1398
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:20,480
anymore. And that's sad. It is, but

1399
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,119
there's nothing we can really change

1400
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:25,200
honestly. So, that's something I have

1401
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,680
brought up. And if the mayor would like

1402
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,920
to see those copies, I have them.

1403
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,960
» Yes, I I I'll be glad to have a bunch of

1404
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,640
matter of fact,

1405
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,920
» If you read the

1406
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,319
» Bills

1407
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,319
» That were put forth at the legislature.

1408
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:42,079
It's just about it. They touch on every

1409
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:43,920
one of the things you're saying, but

1410
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:47,520
that's what I was saying just before you

1411
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:49,839
spoke. It is it's imperative that this

1412
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:53,920
council puts together that text

1413
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:55,760
amendment saying this is what you can do

1414
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,000
and then that's the list. So anybody

1415
00:58:55,760 --> 00:59:01,359
coming in here to do this is what you

1416
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:04,240
can do. The only bill in that whole

1417
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:05,839
package of bills that stands a chance of

1418
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,079
passing, we were talking about this

1419
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:10,799
before the meeting. The only one that

1420
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:14,319
stands a chance of meeting of of passing

1421
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:15,839
is there's a bill that says that directs

1422
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:19,760
Department of Community and Economic

1423
00:59:15,839 --> 00:59:23,760
Development to to come up with a model

1424
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,079
ordinance listing all these

1425
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:30,880
things that you can't have, you can't

1426
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:32,799
do. Uh so that municipalities can use

1427
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,440
that model ordinance. There's a lot of

1428
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,559
small municipalities that can't afford

1429
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,799
the money that it takes to create that.

1430
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:42,640
Some of them don't even have zoning to

1431
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:44,559
create all that. And that's some of the

1432
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,640
places they're picking on with the data

1433
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:51,200
centers. So, that could pass, but the

1434
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,040
other ones won't pass. I'm I'm almost

1435
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,119
willing to say I'll bet you they won't

1436
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,880
pass because

1437
00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:02,160
the state legislature doesn't want to

1438
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,960
create rules that the municipalities

1439
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,720
have to go by. They would rather see the

1440
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,280
municipality

1441
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:11,599
do its own create its own rules. And I

1442
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,559
agree with that.

1443
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:17,440
So, you know, now the governor came out

1444
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:19,680
and he had some some things in the paper

1445
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,760
and he had some rules and regulations,

1446
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,960
but everybody forgot to read the part

1447
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:26,319
the fine print on it is if you want

1448
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,880
their money,

1449
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:31,119
» You will meet these this criteria.

1450
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,200
» So, it wasn't for all of us. It was if

1451
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:35,359
you're after our money, you'll meet this

1452
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,200
criteria. But this is good stuff and

1453
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:40,640
this, you know, we'll get this over to

1454
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,640
council and all and a lot of this needs

1455
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,880
to be put into that text amendment.

1456
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,960
» I did that on the three hours I have

1457
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,702
available.

1458
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,722
» You got to sleep sometime.

1459
01:00:49,702 --> 01:00:51,722
[laughter]

1460
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:57,760
» And now school's out.

1461
01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:00,160
» Oh, okay. I will mention that last week

1462
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,240
in the packet uh the ordinance that we

1463
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,720
moved past is exactly what you're

1464
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,960
talking about of a way to restrict what

1465
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,960
data centers can and can't do. That was

1466
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,359
compiled by the solicitor mostly just

1467
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,520
grabbing ordinances from nearby areas.

1468
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:15,440
So it's not comprehensive and it is not

1469
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,720
in a state that we were going to vote on

1470
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:21,520
it. It was just a discussion item. Um,

1471
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,440
but you can bet that we are going to

1472
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,559
work to get that to be as strict as

1473
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,119
possible and that in the case that a

1474
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:30,960
data center does build somewhere in

1475
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:34,000
Colombia because we have to allow it

1476
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,720
somewhere. Um, it is as restrictive as

1477
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,839
possible to minimize any sort of effects

1478
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:46,359
uh on any citizens.

1479
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:46,359
» Yeah. Um there's taxes that the burial

1480
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:52,240
tax

1481
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:55,839
but then five six years down the road to

1482
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,720
the citizens to then pay for

1483
01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,240
» The area.

1484
01:01:56,720 --> 01:02:02,319
» Yeah.

1485
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:06,079
So in that you're able to test AI

1486
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:09,599
producing whatever storage whatever

1487
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:11,280
just like we're working

1488
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,280
in the warehouse but we don't really

1489
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,000
produce anything

1490
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,240
you know what I'm saying

1491
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,240
» Yeah 100%

1492
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,599
yeah and as we have that discussion

1493
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,280
that'll be something that publicly we

1494
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,280
talk about for sure and there will be

1495
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,440
plenty of chance for us to get feedback

1496
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,160
back on that through the process. Um

1497
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,359
just hoping to get it passed sooner

1498
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,799
rather than later.

1499
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:37,760
» Yeah. One of, you know, I don't want to

1500
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:40,880
drag a state on other things to do, but

1501
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:44,640
uh one of one of the things that I see

1502
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:49,680
mentioned quite quite a bit is

1503
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:53,280
any electricity they use will not cause

1504
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:55,280
residential electricity rates to rise.

1505
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,359
So that that's one that's in just about

1506
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,319
every one of the bills I've seen. You

1507
01:02:57,359 --> 01:02:59,839
know,

1508
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,480
» Most of them require bring your own

1509
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,240
power.

1510
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520
» Yeah. And and to build

1511
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,799
» And one thing you got to understand,

1512
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:09,359
these data centers are evolving.

1513
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:11,440
Most of them are running uh water

1514
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:13,200
systems that are closed looped. They're

1515
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,400
not drawing water out of the river or

1516
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,480
anything like that.

1517
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,200
» Some don't even use water.

1518
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,520
» Yeah. And or and they're also generating

1519
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,280
their own electric.

1520
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,119
not

1521
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:29,440
» And I I talked to a gentleman who's in

1522
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:34,000
this this field and he said the new the

1523
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:36,000
new generation of data centers

1524
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,920
what was proposed out there is like a

1525
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:40,960
mini

1526
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:44,240
» Wouldn't use very much of anything that

1527
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:46,160
that a lot of discussions

1528
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:48,559
» Yeah it's it's a like I say it's a very

1529
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,559
supercharged

1530
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:52,799
uh discussion and and you know the

1531
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:56,319
people that live out manner in that end

1532
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:58,079
of town you are fortunate that you know

1533
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:59,440
they they had this process ahead of time

1534
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:01,680
I mean when I was doing my you know like

1535
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,559
I said dude doing my research talking to

1536
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,880
people all over town same way and I got

1537
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:09,039
responses the other way okay well I

1538
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,319
understand their concern but gez how do

1539
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:12,480
you think I feel living next to a

1540
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:14,799
certain foundry and I have to smell that

1541
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,359
all night long or I live this other one

1542
01:04:14,799 --> 01:04:19,200
and that's just as bad or and I'm not

1543
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:20,880
I'm only here since 2002 so it didn't

1544
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,680
affect me but they're like oh geez And

1545
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,440
what about all of us that live on when

1546
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,880
they put Route 30 through there? You

1547
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,720
know, all the people that got their

1548
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,640
homes taken from them and displaced and

1549
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,720
now everybody lives out there listens to

1550
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,960
the drone of a of a highway all night

1551
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,200
long. So, I mean, everyone needs to

1552
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,640
understand it's it's

1553
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:42,520
the you're talk you're dealing with

1554
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,520
other people have been through it, too.

1555
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:47,640
» All right.

1556
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,559
Mhm.

1557
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,599
» I really appreciate the work you do and

1558
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,200
it's not a fun job and it's a lot of

1559
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:03,280
noise. Um, I've had one of those jobs

1560
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,920
and I get it and now I have time to

1561
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:10,000
volunteer and I would like to become

1562
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,920
more of an active part of Colombia.

1563
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,319
If I were a web master, I would

1564
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:17,760
volunteer my services there. There is a

1565
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:20,960
volunteer form on your website. Um, I

1566
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:25,760
don't know where it goes. Um, and I'd

1567
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:28,799
like to help with that. Um, the bios for

1568
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:32,480
our council people are outdated on the

1569
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:35,760
website. Uh, but if I could help, I

1570
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:37,359
would like to. Um, I had a job where I

1571
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:40,319
took a lot of bullying from

1572
01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:42,400
bazillionaires, but maybe now it's my

1573
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:46,240
time to leverage some of those

1574
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:49,680
relationships to see if someone can have

1575
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:52,319
a vision for that field that is

1576
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:55,760
beautiful that maintains the beauty of

1577
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:58,760
it. Um, Mr. Doctor, is that your name?

1578
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,760
Frank.

1579
01:05:58,799 --> 01:06:03,039
Um,

1580
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,599
if you are pro- data center behind my

1581
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:08,240
house, I would love to invite you to my

1582
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:11,280
house and we'll have iced tea and we'll

1583
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:14,559
look out on that land. It's not just the

1584
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:16,720
water stuff, it's also the noise

1585
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:19,599
and that's real. And I would invite any

1586
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:22,079
of you I I regret the other night. I

1587
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:23,760
know you called us they I was one of the

1588
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:27,119
people that did try to bring the

1589
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:29,680
temperature down that night and that is

1590
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:33,280
a superpower that I have. If you could

1591
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:35,440
leverage that, I am at your service.

1592
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,599
Um,

1593
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:41,920
but

1594
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:46,559
yeah, I think we need imagination

1595
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:48,480
and a real vision that is worthy of

1596
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:52,400
Colombia

1597
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:55,200
and relationships that can bring people

1598
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,480
that could share that vision. And it's

1599
01:06:55,200 --> 01:07:00,400
not just data centers or nothing. I

1600
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,240
think there are some amazing things

1601
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:07,200
right in our county. We've watched lit

1602
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,839
reinvent itself with rock lit. Like who

1603
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,000
brought that up at a council meeting?

1604
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:15,760
Like I have this idea that we'll bring

1605
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,680
Lady Gaga and Beyonce and she'll they'll

1606
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,200
want to hang out in Lancaster County,

1607
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,799
Pennsylvania.

1608
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:25,359
Um or what Spooky Nook did creating the

1609
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:27,839
athletic stuff like who brought that up

1610
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:30,640
and got laughed out of a council meeting

1611
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:32,559
that night but then they did it. So,

1612
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,760
that is where I would really love to

1613
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:38,640
help if I can help with creativity and

1614
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:41,599
relationships. Um,

1615
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:45,200
I'm I'm here. I We have wonderful

1616
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,799
neighbors that I want to support and um

1617
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,160
thank you for making this space

1618
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:49,520
available.

1619
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,640
» Thank you.

1620
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,960
» Write that name down.

1621
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,880
» Yeah. Colette, could you uh hand us a

1622
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,520
copy of your email address or a card or

1623
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:59,680
anything before you head out tonight?

1624
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,680
» All right. Is there anyone else? Last

1625
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,640
call for comments.

1626
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:07,920
» All right. Uh, moving on.

1627
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,680
Leadership committees. Uh, legislation.

1628
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,119
Uh, Kelly, do you want to walk us

1629
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,799
through

1630
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:15,920
» 166 and 112?

1631
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:17,679
» Yeah. Uh, first of all, 166 is on first,

1632
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,120
so we'll we'll go through that first.

1633
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:24,000
But, uh, just, uh, 112 is basically

1634
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:26,159
unchanged from last summer. I forget

1635
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,600
which one to look back on it. I forgot.

1636
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:31,279
but uh was quote unquote reviewed and

1637
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,120
given the stamp of approval by council

1638
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,640
even though we never went forward with

1639
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,400
it because 112 and 166 are tied together

1640
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,560
and when we worked on both of them there

1641
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,120
were pieces we took out of 112 and moved

1642
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,719
to 166 and vice versa so you can't

1643
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,279
really approve one without the other

1644
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:48,880
» Right

1645
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:53,040
» Uh anyways uh in your packet you have

1646
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:56,000
166 which has been oh god is this two

1647
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:59,199
years Paul

1648
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:04,159
for me at least two years of working on

1649
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:07,279
166 and a lot of change in there. Um

1650
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:10,719
that was should I say previous to this

1651
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:13,040
but um the highlights in red

1652
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:16,159
specifically are the newest additions

1653
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:20,000
deal with parking

1654
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:22,640
um deal with the slumlord uh definition

1655
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,319
and how we handle slumlords in town. and

1656
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:29,600
it has been also reviewed sent to our

1657
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:31,759
solicitor and he sent us his uh his

1658
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,080
feedback and comments on things that he

1659
01:09:31,759 --> 01:09:36,799
that needed to be put in there as far as

1660
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:40,799
disruptive conduct and other items like

1661
01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:43,199
that. So um

1662
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:46,000
at this time I just say if if council

1663
01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:47,199
has any specific I'm hoping every time

1664
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,359
to read it. That's why we sent you

1665
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:52,960
plenty of time. It is very lengthy. It's

1666
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:56,480
very comprehensive. It is the it is the

1667
01:09:52,960 --> 01:10:00,400
cornerstone of our to me at least it is

1668
01:09:56,480 --> 01:10:04,080
the cornerstone ordinance of our uh

1669
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:07,280
of our of our codes. It's chapter 166 is

1670
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:10,159
rental property. So uh there's lead safe

1671
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:15,480
lead it deals with lead safe. Um all the

1672
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:15,480
definitions in here uh from

1673
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:23,280
» Yeah, we've added a few

1674
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:25,440
» Um in the packet. The first document is

1675
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:28,800
the existing ordinance.

1676
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:32,920
» Um and then the second is what we're

1677
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,920
proposing to change it to.

1678
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:39,600
Um, and

1679
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:42,159
if there's no other changes at this

1680
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:45,440
point, we'll take this and actually put

1681
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:47,199
it into the ordinance that we will be

1682
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,960
adopting. Um,

1683
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:51,199
» Because we really only have to put in

1684
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:55,120
there the stuff that's changing, the

1685
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:57,760
stuff that's being added and deleted. Um

1686
01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:01,560
and then we would bring that back to

1687
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,560
authorize to advertise

1688
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:08,880
» On the um required off streetet parking.

1689
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:11,679
Um and then on the all owner occupied

1690
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:14,560
single residential properties which are

1691
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:17,440
converted into a residential unit must

1692
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:20,320
provide two off streetet parking spaces

1693
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:22,880
on the promise. Okay. Somewhere else I

1694
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:26,400
read, I'm just not seeing it right now,

1695
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:28,480
that those two parking places had to be

1696
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,239
in the same

1697
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:34,480
on the premise in the same lot that the

1698
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:35,760
ADU was in.

1699
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:37,920
» Oh, yeah. That's at the top of the next

1700
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:41,440
page. ADU is also required, too.

1701
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:45,120
» Yeah. And and I don't understand like if

1702
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:47,280
they a parking place down around the

1703
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:49,920
corner,

1704
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,920
can't they park there? or the guy owns

1705
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,440
another property the parking place is in

1706
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,640
it

1707
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,000
park there instead of

1708
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,080
» Who keeps track of that as far as

1709
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,480
enforcement you know thing become an

1710
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,400
enforcement nightmare for you you're

1711
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:04,400
you're expecting our police our codes

1712
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,719
our parking enforcement to go around and

1713
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,640
then you say oh oh that car belongs

1714
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:10,560
property so it's okay that one belongs

1715
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,440
property that's the problem we had a

1716
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:18,560
nightmare said that's the problem we had

1717
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:22,320
go I can tell you right now there are

1718
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:25,280
properties that came to zoning

1719
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:27,760
and their parking requirements.

1720
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:31,440
They said, "Oh, we don't have them on

1721
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:34,880
premise, but we are renting parking from

1722
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:37,360
XYZ business." After a while, when you

1723
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:42,880
can attend enough zoning meetings, you

1724
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:45,840
find that they probably leased

1725
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,000
parking for twice as many parking spaces

1726
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,640
as that the business had.

1727
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,480
» Yeah.

1728
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:52,960
» So, and we had no way to keep track of

1729
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,440
that. And they could have said, we had

1730
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,159
this happen. I'm going to rent two

1731
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:00,480
parking spaces from the person down the

1732
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:02,159
street here.

1733
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,239
They could have made one month payment,

1734
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:06,480
never paid again if we don't have no

1735
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:08,719
record there. So, we can't control that

1736
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:11,120
off street parking unless it's on the

1737
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:13,600
premise.

1738
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,440
I'll say that uh after reviewing this

1739
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,520
and looking into the since the last time

1740
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,440
we discussed this about two months ago,

1741
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:22,080
um I've spent a good amount of time

1742
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,280
trying to learn about parking issues.

1743
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:28,000
Um, I went through five different PDFs

1744
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,880
that uh somebody from the county sent me

1745
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:34,159
um and attended the PSAD training on

1746
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:36,239
parking. I will say that personally I do

1747
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:39,440
not I don't believe that we should

1748
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:43,280
include that parking minimum um that

1749
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:46,320
that requirement uh as part of this um

1750
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,640
mostly because every resource that I

1751
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,960
have found from the county and from

1752
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:55,520
other locations outside of Pennsylvania

1753
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:58,800
and Lancaster all suggest to either

1754
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:01,360
reduce or entirely cut minimum parking

1755
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,840
requirements. Um, in some cases, and

1756
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:06,719
this document from the county says that

1757
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:09,520
instead we should be adopting uh a

1758
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:12,080
maximum parking space limit rather than

1759
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:16,719
requiring minimums. Basically, the idea

1760
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:20,159
being with the shortage in housing. Um,

1761
01:14:16,719 --> 01:14:21,920
the space can be either better utilized

1762
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:24,640
for more housing or leave it up to the

1763
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,800
developer to make that decision rather

1764
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:30,159
than us saying we need to have this

1765
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,480
minimum. So a after reading through the

1766
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:34,400
document, I love all the stuff with the

1767
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,679
uh the slumber ordinance and all those

1768
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:40,080
definitions, but I don't think that we

1769
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:42,159
should include that parking minimum.

1770
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,760
» If you didn't do that, you could not

1771
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:45,120
park in.

1772
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:48,239
» Yeah.

1773
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:50,960
» That many vehicles on the streets, you

1774
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:53,760
could not park anywhere near your res.

1775
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,679
» I'm just being honest with you. in 14

1776
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,800
and a half years.

1777
01:14:55,679 --> 01:15:03,120
One of the most common threads every

1778
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:06,159
year, every week is people complaining

1779
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:07,679
about I never have any place to park and

1780
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:09,840
you know my neighborhoods, you know,

1781
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:11,679
there's row homes and there's personal

1782
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,080
and they're entitled to it. They have a

1783
01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:16,000
row home and they have four cars for one

1784
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,880
row. Where would I put them? They put

1785
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,719
them on the street because they're

1786
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:21,199
entitled to obviously. Where am I

1787
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:22,880
supposed to park? I built forest parking

1788
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,640
spaces on the back of my property just

1789
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:26,640
so I had a I didn't have to just so I

1790
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:29,120
had a place to put my cars and have a

1791
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,800
place to go. I mean, and I I'm fortunate

1792
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,280
to have that. But there's other people

1793
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,159
that don't have it. So, if we don't I

1794
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,239
know what you're saying about other

1795
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:37,679
areas, but Colombia I mean, when it

1796
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,239
comes to parking, Columbia is a

1797
01:15:37,679 --> 01:15:43,199
different bird. I mean really I mean

1798
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:45,199
it's it's a it's very you see the

1799
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:46,960
housing is so compact

1800
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,920
» And you know that's one of the reasons

1801
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,199
why I voted against you know everyone

1802
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,199
said well you were voting against a

1803
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:54,560
certificate of appropriateness. I voted

1804
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:56,640
no because I didn't feel it was

1805
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,880
appropriate to rebuild a home in an

1806
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:02,080
alleyway when to me the alleyways should

1807
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:03,679
be cleaned out and be used for parking

1808
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,880
to [laughter] you know wherever wherever

1809
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:07,280
possible to ease some of this

1810
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:10,080
congestion. It's the housing in Columbia

1811
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,440
is so densely packed and so I mean it

1812
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:15,600
it's unless you build up, you know.

1813
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:17,199
» Yeah, I I totally understand that and a

1814
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:20,640
lot of the stuff that it talks about

1815
01:16:17,199 --> 01:16:24,560
here are the longer term effects of

1816
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:27,040
having these parking minimums. Um, so I

1817
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:29,360
understand that it's not a perfect

1818
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:32,640
solution, but also the I think the

1819
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,719
longest term solution is to make do what

1820
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,840
we can to make Columbia more walkable

1821
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:42,880
and have things that way people don't

1822
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:46,800
need to have a car um at all. But I I

1823
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,920
just do I Yeah, I just have some

1824
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:53,199
concerns about it uh being the two

1825
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:56,640
parking minimum. um even if we like

1826
01:16:53,199 --> 01:16:58,480
dropped it to one um still had a parking

1827
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:01,280
minimum. I've seen other places instead

1828
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:03,840
change it to uh the number of bedrooms

1829
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,040
rather than the entire number of units

1830
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:07,040
um because

1831
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,640
» It changes from it changes from owner to

1832
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,640
owner. You know what I mean? So you have

1833
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,640
» It was at one for years. Yeah,

1834
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:16,640
» It was the low parking issue

1835
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,440
» And a lot of those municipalities that

1836
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:22,320
are suggesting that they cut back um

1837
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:25,560
have parking garages, structures that

1838
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:25,560
parking lots.

1839
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,199
Well,

1840
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,480
» Yeah.

1841
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:31,360
» So, there's people in this room, they

1842
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,800
know that

1843
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:35,360
» 10 years ago when I was on council, I

1844
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:39,120
was president council, we were actively

1845
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:42,320
pursuing a downtown parking garage and

1846
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:44,080
basically that laughed at, oh, you need

1847
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,360
that. Now, everybody's like, where is

1848
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,360
the parking garage?

1849
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,600
» That's how it changes in not even 10

1850
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:52,000
years. And and I see this as one of

1851
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:55,840
those times where we are actually

1852
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,440
listening to our public, listening to

1853
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:02,239
our residents, telling us that parking

1854
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:06,239
is an issue and the people that are

1855
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:08,640
coming in and renting and have five

1856
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:11,120
cars,

1857
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,800
you need to have regulations on that so

1858
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:16,400
that they're not parking all five of

1859
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:18,000
those on the street. Um, so that's the

1860
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,320
way I see it.

1861
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,840
is this is

1862
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,840
» Something we've been asked for.

1863
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:26,000
» I understand. I just usually the data

1864
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,400
shows kind of the opposite where people

1865
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,960
who are renters usually either will only

1866
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:34,400
have one car per unit or sometimes no

1867
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:37,360
car at all. And so I just

1868
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:39,679
well, you know, it is what it is. If it

1869
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:41,040
if it was a thing where neighbors were

1870
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:42,480
nice to each other, you know, how you

1871
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,880
like to be that guy that works four to

1872
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,880
midnight every day and comes home

1873
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:49,280
midnight and can't find one parking

1874
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,440
space three blocks to his house and it's

1875
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,840
raining or it's snowing. That's total

1876
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:56,960
crap. You know, he should be entitled to

1877
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,280
park near his house. And that really is

1878
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,800
what I think this addresses for me at

1879
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,199
least. Anyway, I mean, I went through

1880
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,800
when I my first home I bought was in

1881
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,560
when I was in my 20s. My first home was

1882
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,000
in the city of Reading. Huh. little

1883
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,600
luck. [laughter] You know what I mean?

1884
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,440
Drive around in circles. Oh, somebody's

1885
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,760
pulling out. Zip up there. Put it in

1886
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:16,480
there. If you were left and I don't want

1887
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,840
people I mean that's it's not a good

1888
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:22,320
situation. I mean there's no there's no

1889
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:24,640
golden spoon here with parking. Really

1890
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,480
just trying to find a a middle ground

1891
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:30,400
that you can live with. Well, I think

1892
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:33,719
some of the data if you're living in a

1893
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,719
an apartment

1894
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:42,080
chances that there is a chance you won't

1895
01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:44,960
have a vehicle. Yeah. But what it really

1896
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:47,040
puts the problem on us is the single

1897
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:50,480
family rental.

1898
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:54,800
You got a 14t wide house and three 22

1899
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:57,440
foot cars. It don't compute.

1900
01:19:54,800 --> 01:20:01,280
And they don't have to just

1901
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:03,679
» Sorry. And and the people that are

1902
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:07,360
renting the single family home are not

1903
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:08,880
the ones that aren't.

1904
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,560
» Well, I wanted to bring it up that

1905
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,760
that's a concern that I currently have.

1906
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,280
» No, I appreciate that.

1907
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,920
» Chair, you wanted to be

1908
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,480
» Yeah.

1909
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,199
» Yeah.

1910
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:22,000
» I find

1911
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:24,640
» I know if you so or not. I find myself

1912
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:29,520
agreeing with Kelly outside of the um

1913
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:32,159
parking garage. Um we have adequate what

1914
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:34,400
I'll call adequate parking on our block

1915
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:36,159
and it has been comfortable for the

1916
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:39,840
nearly 10 years that I've been on that

1917
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:42,560
particular block. Um but recently we

1918
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:45,679
have cars parking there routinely

1919
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,360
leaving them all day sometimes overnight

1920
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:50,480
um [clears throat] you know long periods

1921
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:53,280
of time that actually are on the

1922
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:57,280
opposite street. They're they're

1923
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:59,760
utilizing now our part and it makes it

1924
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:02,080
tight for us when we come back and we

1925
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,480
don't know where we're going to go. U so

1926
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,159
I would encourage you I'm sorry Ethan

1927
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:09,679
but not to do anything. So [laughter]

1928
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:12,159
that's okay. or suggested because it I

1929
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:14,640
think the parking actually is just

1930
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:17,520
getting worse in our area and there's a

1931
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:20,320
recent home that sold where the woman

1932
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:23,679
lived there alone with one vehicle. Now

1933
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:26,400
a family moved in and I see two vehicles

1934
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:28,719
and a work truck. So, you know, now

1935
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,560
that's a new story and the people in our

1936
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:33,520
block are getting older. So when they

1937
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:36,159
sell, it's going to be, you know,

1938
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:38,320
certainly families coming in, not one

1939
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:38,560
vehicle parked there anymore. So thank

1940
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,480
you.

1941
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,719
» I'm sure they love that one way, too.

1942
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:44,760
» Yeah.

1943
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:44,760
» Makes it easy to get in out.

1944
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:52,400
» Now it's my turn to get dumped on.

1945
01:21:51,246 --> 01:21:55,120
[laughter]

1946
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:58,239
» I like you.

1947
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:00,880
No, I I feel

1948
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:03,760
another way to look at this is we're

1949
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:07,360
strictly looking at rental properties

1950
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:10,639
here. Not looking at residential,

1951
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:14,880
but with rental properties,

1952
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:17,120
a single family home being rented with

1953
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,960
three and four cars. We've got a couple

1954
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:22,000
of them on our block. If I didn't have a

1955
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,679
garage, I'd have no place to park.

1956
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,360
And it's been like that for years

1957
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:28,080
because across the street is a three

1958
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:30,480
unit that has six cars there or seven

1959
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:34,080
cars and no off streetet parking. The

1960
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:38,880
other thing I'm looking at is once this

1961
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:42,960
is put into effect that a single family

1962
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:44,719
rental property needs on premises

1963
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:47,040
parking.

1964
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:48,880
How many places in Colombia can you do

1965
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:52,239
that?

1966
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:56,400
Is this going to help

1967
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:57,920
cut down on the number of single family

1968
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:01,440
properties

1969
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,719
being converted into rental housing?

1970
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:06,080
» It's going to

1971
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:06,639
» That that is a home ownership for young

1972
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,199
families.

1973
01:23:06,639 --> 01:23:11,760
» When I saw that, I thought like on my

1974
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:15,840
block I'm thinking we've got a private

1975
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,520
alley in back of our place.

1976
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:21,199
But

1977
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:23,440
» There's no way you're It's a grass alley

1978
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:27,679
and we've got a rental property two

1979
01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:29,920
houses in from Sixth Street

1980
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:32,800
and there's

1981
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:35,520
there's no on premises parking there.

1982
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:39,520
And I know it's going to help that also

1983
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:43,159
if you push for the single family rental

1984
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,159
on premises.

1985
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:55,199
Hi, my name is Moises Hernandez.

1986
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:57,280
I am a little curious on how this

1987
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:59,040
regulation would it be conflicting any

1988
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,040
way with if there's a I'm not sure if

1989
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,360
there's a rule on how far from the

1990
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,639
corner a car has to be. Like when I'm

1991
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,400
driving around and I'm going through

1992
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:08,159
alleys, there are cars parked almost

1993
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,800
into the alley. There are cars that

1994
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:12,560
almost block my driveway. And that is

1995
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,120
the biggest issue for me because now I

1996
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,320
can't see my left or my right.

1997
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:18,880
» So I was wondering if we're doing

1998
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,800
assigned parking in that in a certain

1999
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:23,440
sense would we be able to enforce that

2000
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:24,560
corner rule more or would there be like

2001
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:27,040
some sort of conflict of interest

2002
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:29,199
there's there's state statute

2003
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:31,440
» State statute dictates how far you can

2004
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:34,080
be from a stop sign or a corner curb

2005
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:37,120
anything like that.

2006
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:38,639
So the uh police officers uh have

2007
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,880
mandate from the state and are allowed

2008
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:42,719
to enforce uh any obstructions or

2009
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:45,520
anything that is a violation. So

2010
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:48,800
» You are correct late at night. You drive

2011
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:50,239
come home and I went how the heck would

2012
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,320
you let somebody use a crossbow?

2013
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:54,159
» Yeah, I've had that. I drive out at

2014
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,679
night. I work at night as well and

2015
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:56,960
there's a car parked there. It's black.

2016
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:58,719
I can't see. Turns out there's another

2017
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,920
car coming in. I almost have an accident

2018
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:02,000
because either they don't have the

2019
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:04,400
lights on, I can't see them or it's

2020
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:06,239
blocked. Is there a specific department

2021
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,080
I should contact for those kind of cars

2022
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:10,800
in that corner?

2023
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:13,199
» Just a blue. Now, interestingly, you

2024
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,040
bring that up. Uh the PSAB thing that I

2025
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:18,239
mentioned earlier did actually have a

2026
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:20,639
section on this about ways that while it

2027
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:22,000
is, you know, generally it's just sort

2028
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:24,560
of painted on the curb and there's an

2029
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:26,960
opening. Um there were a lot of

2030
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:30,159
encouragements of alternative ways to

2031
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:33,280
sort of block off that those sections um

2032
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:36,320
to literally make it impossible for

2033
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:38,719
somebody to block in in that area. Um

2034
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:41,120
and I think it's definitely something

2035
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:42,719
that we could consider doing at the very

2036
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,800
least trying it in a few intersections

2037
01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:46,719
in Colombia and then seeing how that

2038
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,320
affects traffic and parking and

2039
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:50,480
everything else and then potentially do

2040
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:52,159
more of that depending on the cost. Um

2041
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:53,600
it is something I did want to get a

2042
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:56,320
chance to bring up but haven't had the

2043
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:58,560
opportunity. Um but yeah it's yeah

2044
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,000
something we can totally look at more

2045
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,760
popular.

2046
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,840
» Yeah

2047
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,320
but the problem is it's expensive way

2048
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,880
expensive.

2049
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,560
» Yeah

2050
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,880
our

2051
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:13,360
public works manager and I talked the

2052
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,320
other day he had matter of fact we did

2053
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:18,639
some already. They're painting the all

2054
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:23,199
lines. They're not painting the all

2055
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:25,760
lines and and the officers will site

2056
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:28,800
because of the parking situation like

2057
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:31,920
this in town. Sometimes

2058
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:34,800
you don't get to see it or if it if if

2059
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:36,880
it looks like in the officer's mind, if

2060
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,360
it looks like it could cause an

2061
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:42,080
accident, there's not enough sight, they

2062
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:44,800
will sight. But because parking is so

2063
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:47,040
tough, sometimes

2064
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:50,159
if it's little close to what the

2065
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,000
allocation is, it might let it go and I

2066
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:54,400
and I can understand that and I won't

2067
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,800
call them for it, but they know if it's

2068
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,120
safe unsafe, they're going to

2069
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:59,280
» Okay.

2070
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:02,000
» Yeah. I saw in Lester City there's like

2071
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,760
a big curb up with a garden in it.

2072
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,760
» I don't know if that'll work here, but

2073
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:08,239
» Well, we call them bump outs, but yeah.

2074
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,880
» Yeah, we have some of those on South or

2075
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:12,880
South Street. And there are versions

2076
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,280
that you can do without having to create

2077
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,719
a full concrete setup. Like an example I

2078
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:20,159
have here is literally just some white

2079
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:21,520
poles um that outline that shape um to

2080
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,400
prevent people from being able to pull

2081
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,280
in there. Okay.

2082
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:27,120
» Um but yeah, we can absolutely talk

2083
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,679
about that more and try to get something

2084
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,199
together.

2085
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,800
» Yeah, I really appreciate it. Like that

2086
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:32,000
in combination with the cats like I'm

2087
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,080
trying not to hit a cat and then there's

2088
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,199
also that lot of things. [clears throat]

2089
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:37,760
Thank you so much.

2090
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:39,280
» Thanks. But one of the nice one of the

2091
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,800
nice things about the curve bump house

2092
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:45,840
when you do that it decreases it the

2093
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:48,560
distance that pedestrians have to go

2094
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,719
across the park.

2095
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:54,159
» So instead of 30 feet across they may

2096
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:56,480
only have 24 feet on the road to go

2097
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:58,639
» And it helps slow people down.

2098
01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:01,040
» Absolutely.

2099
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:02,239
» That's

2100
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,159
thank you for bringing that up.

2101
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:05,840
» Yeah, you made a good point. It it

2102
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:06,880
definitely slows them down. Yeah,

2103
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,679
definitely seen it.

2104
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:10,679
» Yeah, I've seen more.

2105
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,081
» That's exactly right. Yeah, that's where

2106
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:16,800
there's a lot of cats that go there.

2107
01:28:15,081 --> 01:28:18,239
[laughter]

2108
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,321
» Mary and I had some good conversations

2109
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,280
about

2110
01:28:20,321 --> 01:28:22,719
[laughter]

2111
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,760
» I thought you said all your neighbors

2112
01:28:22,719 --> 01:28:26,800
were feeding the cats.

2113
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:29,546
» Yeah. So, Mary is out there. Mary's out

2114
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,546
there in the neighborhood. [laughter]

2115
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,120
» Oh, gotcha. Okay.

2116
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:39,120
» Yeah. I mean,

2117
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,440
» So she's out on Sixth Street asking them

2118
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,639
to come to council to complain about

2119
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:45,211
» And then she's calling the kids on the

2120
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:45,920
bikes to go around to start your life.

2121
01:28:45,211 --> 01:28:46,639
[laughter]

2122
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,719
» Thank you so much.

2123
01:28:46,639 --> 01:28:50,960
» We got it. We got it.

2124
01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:52,480
» I I wish there was, you know, we talked

2125
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,120
about this off and on over here. It's

2126
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:56,960
never been popular and I and I wish it

2127
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,880
would put a hell of a burden on Chief's

2128
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:01,760
department, but really it would be

2129
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,920
awesome if we could mark off parking

2130
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,000
spaces with white painted lines, too.

2131
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:07,920
I'm just being honest with you. There

2132
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:10,159
are a good number of people in this town

2133
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,960
that can't parallel park to save their

2134
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:16,080
life. You know, five feet in front of

2135
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:18,000
the car, five foot back and there goes a

2136
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:21,239
space. You know what's funny? You know

2137
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,239
what's funny?

2138
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:32,880
» I'll tell you something that's funny

2139
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:34,337
about that. We had Derek do a study on

2140
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,520
8th Street, South A Street

2141
01:29:34,337 --> 01:29:38,719
[clears throat]

2142
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:41,520
» And and then he did Perry too and found

2143
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:45,639
out with the lines we would have less

2144
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,639
parking than without the lines

2145
01:29:45,679 --> 01:29:52,080
» Because when you got a smaller vehicle

2146
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:53,840
» The issue is bad parking behavior, not

2147
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,880
necessarily

2148
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:59,679
» Not that's the issue. And when you have

2149
01:29:56,880 --> 01:30:03,280
good parking behavior like on South 8th

2150
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:05,199
Street where they were actually parked

2151
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,520
one after the other,

2152
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:11,440
» You would lose spaces. Whereas somewhere

2153
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:14,639
like the 800 block of Locust Street

2154
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:16,560
where you may not have all those, but

2155
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:19,199
you have bad parking behavior because

2156
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:21,280
people are leaving these ginormous space

2157
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:23,360
between the things.

2158
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:25,600
» That's because they can't. It's not It's

2159
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,679
not always their fault that either

2160
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,760
because that one person comes in and

2161
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:31,199
starts the parking for everybody else.

2162
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,960
Then you leave, someone's there and

2163
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,560
looks like, "Oh, you're taking up two

2164
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,639
spaces." When it was the person in front

2165
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,920
of you, it gets all messed up.

2166
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:40,080
» Right.

2167
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,080
» I like the line.

2168
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,080
» Yeah.

2169
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:49,560
» All right. [clears throat] Anything else

2170
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:49,560
on the uh rental? Yes.

2171
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:57,440
I debated bringing this up, but is there

2172
01:30:55,199 --> 01:30:59,679
anything in the ordinance that covers

2173
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:04,159
travel trailers,

2174
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:06,639
travel trailers, plus house trailers?

2175
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:08,480
And I'll give you an example, a place

2176
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:10,080
where I know there's numerous

2177
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:12,960
violations.

2178
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:14,880
I just seen them clear a spot and it's a

2179
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,520
little bigger than a travel trailer, but

2180
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:20,800
it probably is a travel trailer. set it

2181
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:23,600
up, put an awning out, have their

2182
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:26,600
morning coffee and all that.

2183
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,600
» Um,

2184
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,000
» But anyway, is there anything in the

2185
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:33,800
ordinance that covers this?

2186
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:33,800
» Not in this ordinance. No,

2187
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,520
» There is

2188
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,120
» Not this ordinance, but

2189
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:39,040
» Not this particular. Yeah, it's another

2190
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,600
one that we're working on. They have to

2191
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,239
get these.

2192
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,440
» If you have a trailer,

2193
01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:44,320
» It's unhooked.

2194
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:47,360
» It's

2195
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:49,760
» Yes, we unhook. There's a length of time

2196
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:51,679
I put in the chief.

2197
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,360
» Four hours. It has to be moved.

2198
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:57,159
» Oh my god.

2199
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,159
» We got all kind of violations.

2200
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:01,520
» Is there anything that says they can't

2201
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,080
park the trailer in front of their

2202
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,239
property? We see that at different

2203
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,679
places. And it

2204
01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:10,239
» Probably not in this.

2205
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:13,199
» No, there's nothing in there. But

2206
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:14,960
honestly, there's in my block there's

2207
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,480
someone living in a travel trailer in

2208
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,560
the alley.

2209
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:19,920
So, what do we do about that?

2210
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:24,520
» Yeah, that you pointed out. I went and

2211
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:24,520
checked it out. They have like torches.

2212
01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:29,760
» If the trailer is on a property and not

2213
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:32,080
on the road, does that mean it's qual it

2214
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,800
qualifies at the ADU in the definition

2215
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,800
for this rental property?

2216
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,239
» Because I mean like if it's not on the

2217
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,080
property,

2218
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:43,920
» If like Yeah. Like if in this case like

2219
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,199
they pull the trailer into the backyard

2220
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:48,159
or something and somebody is living out

2221
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:49,920
of it, wouldn't that be an ADU under

2222
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:52,560
this definition?

2223
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,239
» I would agree with you.

2224
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,960
» They're living in it. They're living.

2225
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,400
» Yes.

2226
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,480
» Yeah. A self-contained smaller

2227
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:01,280
residential unit located on the same lot

2228
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:04,000
as a primary single family. So in that

2229
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:06,480
case, it could qualify as an ADU.

2230
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:10,719
Actually, no. They do not

2231
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:11,040
» Because they do not have water.

2232
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:13,120
» Water.

2233
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:14,239
» Okay.

2234
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:14,719
They're not hooked up to each other.

2235
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:15,920
Gotcha.

2236
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:17,760
» They're not hooked up to each other.

2237
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,000
» They require We should get that that

2238
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:22,159
definition then is include that they

2239
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,040
need to be hooked up to for the ADU

2240
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,080
definition.

2241
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:26,800
» Yeah.

2242
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,480
» So, so that's allowed them. They're

2243
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,239
allowed to live in that as long as they

2244
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:31,760
want. No restrictions.

2245
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:34,000
» No.

2246
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,960
» No. We currently don't have anything for

2247
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,360
an ADU.

2248
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,560
» Wow.

2249
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,280
» This is putting in

2250
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,560
» That could be increasing with the way

2251
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,400
housing is.

2252
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,560
» I just seen this one go up and I just

2253
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:47,120
thought with all the other violations

2254
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,360
there now here's another rental.

2255
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:53,400
» Yeah, I see trailers.

2256
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:53,400
» Yeah, a lot of

2257
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:02,560
street

2258
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:06,239
» I know. It's it's not just that. It's

2259
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:08,719
work trucks too. People having you know

2260
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:11,040
so you work Monday to Friday for you

2261
01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:13,040
know for left and then Saturday to

2262
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:15,040
Sunday you don't truck sitting there all

2263
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:17,280
weekend unmoved. You see them all the

2264
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,880
time. I get calls all the time.

2265
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,719
» Guys been sitting all the time and I'll

2266
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,960
call down see what they do.

2267
01:34:20,719 --> 01:34:25,440
» I know. I push for I push to have that

2268
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:28,239
added in our thing

2269
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:32,159
» Many times and I

2270
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:35,360
so because I completely agree that work

2271
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:37,440
trucks should have be parked

2272
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:39,199
» In a block that is not you know

2273
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,960
» Should be on the street they should be

2274
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:45,320
» In a lot somewhere where their lease is

2275
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:45,320
based for their work truck.

2276
01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:53,280
» All right. We can we can make that um we

2277
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,400
can make that addition to the ADU.

2278
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,840
» Yeah.

2279
01:34:54,400 --> 01:35:00,239
» Yeah.

2280
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:02,239
» And if there's [clears throat] no other

2281
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:04,800
suggestions or anything, we can press

2282
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:07,280
that ordinance

2283
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:11,960
or be

2284
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:11,960
advertised at a upcoming meeting.

2285
01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:17,760
Kelly, would you be able to prep that

2286
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,480
ordinance?

2287
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,760
Yep.

2288
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:24,080
» Okay. Thank you. I I'm like

2289
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,159
» Super busy right now. I with the wedding

2290
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,679
coming up and you know

2291
01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:29,440
» Yeah. I think my yard's in good shape

2292
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:31,360
now. I think my wife will come over.

2293
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:34,646
» If you got your yard in good shape, I I

2294
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,646
got the wedding. So, [laughter]

2295
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:39,760
» No, I'm not getting married. My daughter

2296
01:35:36,719 --> 01:35:42,480
is next weekend and it's driving me I'm

2297
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:44,639
like going crazy.

2298
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:46,560
» Yeah. No, I'm not getting married.

2299
01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:49,711
» Been there bought a shirt. I'm not doing

2300
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,711
it again. [laughter]

2301
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:59,440
» Yeah, my name is not changing, right?

2302
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:02,800
» All right. Um,

2303
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:05,920
while we're on the legislation,

2304
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,760
I wanted to I wanted to uh bring

2305
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:11,280
something up.

2306
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:14,159
I would like to

2307
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:17,040
um ask

2308
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:19,120
council to consider

2309
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:21,920
I mean we would do this at the next at

2310
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:25,120
the next meeting um but I would like to

2311
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:29,600
ask council to consider um doing

2312
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:33,199
something or you know directing staff to

2313
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:37,600
send letters of feedback to our

2314
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:40,960
representative and our senator.

2315
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:44,000
to oppose some legislation

2316
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:47,119
that is currently going through

2317
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:50,480
um the state legislature.

2318
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:54,080
House Bill 2155.

2319
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:57,280
This has passed the House

2320
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:58,800
and it is headed to the Senate and it

2321
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,679
would

2322
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:05,520
it would prohibit minimum parking

2323
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:08,400
requirements for any use

2324
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:13,440
in the zoning.

2325
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:15,440
Um, also Senate Bill 1239,

2326
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:18,320
it's called the cutting red tape to

2327
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:20,080
expand housing options. It grants

2328
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,679
automatic approval for certain

2329
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:24,320
developments.

2330
01:37:21,679 --> 01:37:25,920
It eliminates minimum and maximum

2331
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:29,440
densities,

2332
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:33,440
height restrictions, and excessive

2333
01:37:29,440 --> 01:37:36,239
setbacks on lot size or lot coverage

2334
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:39,199
mandates.

2335
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:42,400
Both of these

2336
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:45,520
are just two. These are the two that are

2337
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:48,239
the closest to passing, but these are

2338
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:52,159
two of a host of

2339
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:56,480
current legislations that are meant to

2340
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:59,440
basically strip local municipalities

2341
01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:01,920
of their zoning

2342
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:04,480
ability.

2343
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:06,480
when Leo s sat here and said the state

2344
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:08,159
doesn't want to wasn't doesn't want to

2345
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:11,360
make

2346
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:13,360
make u legislation they want them they

2347
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:16,320
want the individual municipalities to do

2348
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:18,800
it that's the case for data centers but

2349
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:20,960
when it comes to other things they are

2350
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,440
when it comes to zoning they are

2351
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,320
actively working to strip local

2352
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:29,600
municipalities ability

2353
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:32,080
to control their own zoning and I would

2354
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:37,679
like us to consider

2355
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:40,480
directing staff to write letters to our

2356
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:43,119
senator and our representative urging

2357
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:46,480
them to oppose any legislation that

2358
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:50,000
would strip zoning rights from the

2359
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:53,840
municipality. Local officials know their

2360
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:56,639
communities and they have the right to

2361
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:58,719
set their zoning standards to dictate

2362
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:01,600
what is best for their community. We

2363
01:38:58,719 --> 01:39:04,639
should not be told by Harrisburg that we

2364
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:07,280
we we have to accept any development

2365
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:10,960
that comes our way. We should not be

2366
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:13,600
told that we can't tell people uh we

2367
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:16,239
can't set a maximum density. That means

2368
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:18,560
we could have a high-rise all over

2369
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:21,760
Colombia and we would not be able to say

2370
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:24,080
anything about it. And if they strip out

2371
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,920
the minimum minimum parking

2372
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:27,600
requirements, we wouldn't even be

2373
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:30,560
require we wouldn't even be able to

2374
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:33,679
require a high-rise apartment building

2375
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:36,880
to have parking at all. So I I think

2376
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:38,880
it's just they're they're not they're

2377
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,600
not willing to step in on a data center

2378
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:44,320
issue, but yet on a zoning issue,

2379
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:47,920
they're willing to completely strip all

2380
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:51,440
ability from the local municipalities.

2381
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:53,760
So there's my soap box. Um,

2382
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:55,360
» We go again. And the primary goal is to

2383
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:57,280
increase density.

2384
01:39:55,360 --> 01:40:00,480
» Their primary goal is to increase

2385
01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:02,480
density to build as much housing as

2386
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:04,080
possible without regard to how that's

2387
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,520
going to affect everyone

2388
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,520
» Or impact the school district

2389
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,840
» Or impact the school district and

2390
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:11,760
everything else.

2391
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:13,520
» So, how does that process of directing

2392
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:17,199
staff work? Is that just a

2393
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:19,360
» It's just we would just vote um to say

2394
01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:22,960
we would like staff to do that and Jack

2395
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:26,400
would craft the letter and send it to um

2396
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:29,760
Malone and Miller saying that Colombia

2397
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:33,440
Burough as a burrow urges them to vote

2398
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:35,840
no on any legislation that would preempt

2399
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:38,840
um local zoning

2400
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,840
control.

2401
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:45,280
So, if everyone is okay with that, I'll

2402
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:48,400
have that put on the next put up for a

2403
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:50,320
vote for next week. Put that on the

2404
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:52,560
» And you can do that on your own, too.

2405
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:55,440
» And yes, and we each individually can do

2406
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:58,639
it as well, but I would like it. I am

2407
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:01,760
asking that this come from the burrow

2408
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:04,000
because I tend to think that holds more

2409
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,080
weight with our

2410
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:11,400
representatives

2411
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:11,400
when we do it as a group. Yes,

2412
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:19,760
this is Moises again. Would constituents

2413
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:21,119
also be able to provide their own letter

2414
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,040
to you and you can send them all

2415
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:25,840
together to the office?

2416
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:29,199
» Yes. and or you can contact them as

2417
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:31,679
well. Um, that's always that's always

2418
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:33,760
nice when when constituents are

2419
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:35,920
contacting them outside of the

2420
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:37,440
municipality because it it shows them

2421
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,360
that

2422
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:42,560
individuals are paying attention, not

2423
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:46,480
just, you know, not just council

2424
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:51,600
members. Truth and matter is

2425
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:55,040
they will look at what a resident

2426
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:57,280
sends them with more favor than what

2427
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,840
council will send.

2428
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,080
» That's what I was wondering. So

2429
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:04,159
» You have more weight than what we do.

2430
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,040
» Okay, perfect.

2431
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:08,040
» Thank you so much.

2432
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,040
» Thanks.

2433
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:11,159
» Yes.

2434
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:15,600
bill.

2435
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:18,639
Uh,

2436
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:19,760
» One of them was House Bill 2155.

2437
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:24,000
I didn't get the

2438
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:27,280
» Senate 1239 is the cutting red tape to

2439
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:30,000
expand housing options.

2440
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,760
It grants automatic approval for certain

2441
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,080
developments.

2442
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:36,159
And it eliminates the minimum and

2443
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:39,920
maximum densities,

2444
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:42,960
pipe restrictions, excessive setbacks,

2445
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:45,760
and lot size or lot coverage mandates.

2446
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:48,400
So, it pretty much says

2447
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:50,560
anything goes anywhere and the

2448
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,360
municipality cannot do anything about

2449
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,280
it.

2450
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,760
» It basically guts your comp plan in your

2451
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:56,719
zoom.

2452
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:59,920
» It does. And it it basically guts. I

2453
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:02,159
mean it it it cuts your [laughter] it it

2454
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:05,199
just cuts the cell though and that's the

2455
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:08,199
state law anyway. Exactly. It's

2456
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:08,199
» Any

2457
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:25,440
I just wanted to say that I think

2458
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:28,880
Colombia is way too small. I don't think

2459
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:31,600
people consider how small we are here.

2460
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:34,159
And if we keep building, it's not that I

2461
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:36,800
don't understand the need for housing. I

2462
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:39,679
do, but this is not the place to keep

2463
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,400
building up and making it more and more.

2464
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:41,040
It's all

2465
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,199
» I know.

2466
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,239
» Just don't see that that's the right way

2467
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:46,159
to go. Thank

2468
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:49,159
» That's what the legislature is trying to

2469
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:49,159
do.

2470
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:57,520
Um, before we move on to legislation,

2471
01:43:53,520 --> 01:44:00,800
um, I did want to ask if we could take a

2472
01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:02,400
look at amending the zoning, the way the

2473
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:04,639
zoning is currently set up for data

2474
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:08,400
centers. Currently, it's permitted by

2475
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:11,199
Wright in both uh, light business and

2476
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:16,080
light industrial and general industrial.

2477
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:18,320
I I assume the GI stands for. Okay. Um,

2478
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:20,560
a lot of the suggestions I've read

2479
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:22,000
include from the county suggest having

2480
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,600
it [clears throat] be a special

2481
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:27,360
exception

2482
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:29,119
um, in in places like considering like

2483
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:32,159
business rather than permitted by

2484
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:35,280
rights. So, it does have to go before a

2485
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:37,199
vote. Um, so I would like us to consider

2486
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:39,440
amending the zoning to have data centers

2487
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:43,560
be special exceptions and like business

2488
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:43,560
rather than permitted by rights.

2489
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:55,840
Shoot.

2490
01:44:53,199 --> 01:44:58,239
I missed a few others.

2491
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:01,280
Bills that are preemptive.

2492
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:03,520
Um, you'll like this one, Mary. House

2493
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:06,400
Bill 1459

2494
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:10,880
is requiring zoning ordinances to be

2495
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:16,360
revised to allow multifamily housing in

2496
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:16,360
urban areas. zone for office and retail.

2497
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:23,760
House Bill 2186

2498
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:25,920
makes ADUs permitted by right in every

2499
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,560
zoning district.

2500
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:31,040
House Bill 21109

2501
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:34,880
known as the Golden Girls Law. It

2502
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:38,239
legalizes shared living arrangements.

2503
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:42,159
And House Bill 2303

2504
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:44,719
um stipulates that the county,

2505
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:47,600
not the local municipality, but on a

2506
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:51,159
county level, needs to regulate

2507
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:51,159
short-term rentals,

2508
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:56,960
House Bill 2303.

2509
01:45:54,080 --> 01:46:00,778
So there is, as I said, there is a a

2510
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:02,239
whole bunch of preemptive um

2511
01:46:00,778 --> 01:46:05,199
[clears throat] legislation out there

2512
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:07,760
that I think we should just say, please

2513
01:46:05,199 --> 01:46:10,760
oppose all

2514
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,760
preeemption.

2515
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:17,159
» Yes, they do.

2516
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:23,520
» True.

2517
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:27,920
» Yep.

2518
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:32,320
All right. Anything else on legislation?

2519
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:34,880
Nope. All right. Um,

2520
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:38,080
finance in your packet. You have the

2521
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:40,960
finance reports.

2522
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:43,960
There any questions on that? Finance

2523
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,960
reports

2524
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:52,040
and

2525
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:12,320
we have the general fund account balance

2526
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:14,560
as 56.

2527
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,560
Um,

2528
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,560
question.

2529
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:22,800
Do we know when we will be presenting

2530
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:23,360
the

2531
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:28,480
heard?

2532
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:31,040
» I have not received any updates as yet.

2533
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:34,000
Uh, you may want to check with them to

2534
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:37,440
make sure they have received everything.

2535
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:40,480
I know that the solicitor sometimes

2536
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:44,600
would hold up our audit because he would

2537
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:44,600
not questionire.

2538
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:54,440
Yeah, because it has to be filed by a

2539
01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,440
certain

2540
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:59,920
» Are there any other questions or

2541
01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:03,360
comments on finance

2542
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:05,600
community development?

2543
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:08,719
Is that

2544
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:09,920
» It's Gan

2545
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:13,040
Community?

2546
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:16,719
» I don't have anything.

2547
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:18,719
You are still planning to uh

2548
01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:20,800
have the homeless shelter meeting though

2549
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:21,760
again. You're going to reschedule that

2550
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,040
at some point.

2551
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:24,239
» But it's not set.

2552
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:27,360
» Okay.

2553
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:28,080
» I'm waiting for the guest. I just called

2554
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:29,920
it today.

2555
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:33,719
» You'll advise everybody when that when

2556
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,719
that occurs. Okay.

2557
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:43,480
» Anything else on that? Uh public works

2558
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:49,040
report from Jake's. Anything you want to

2559
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,880
touch on, Jake? I mean, obviously

2560
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:54,440
everybody knows they started on Wall

2561
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,440
Street already, so

2562
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:20,199
How's the um waste recycling? Yard waste

2563
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:20,199
recycling coming

2564
01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:29,960
down.

2565
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:45,800
I will say we have a little setback.

2566
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,800
Could

2567
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,400
have been a lot worse.

2568
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,520
basically stops

2569
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,119
a lot more.

2570
01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:28,719
» Are we able to determine where that came

2571
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:32,920
from?

2572
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:32,920
My guess is probably

2573
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:56,040
» I can't imagine somebody put something

2574
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:56,040
like that in a yard waste.

2575
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:09,639
Thanks for sharing that. Unfortunately,

2576
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:09,639
» Isn't

2577
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:24,719
that means it's downtime. So when it

2578
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:27,119
comes back up then they're going to be

2579
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:30,880
behind on

2580
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:34,199
shipping and everything else.

2581
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,199
Sure is.

2582
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,920
I don't trim it so I won't attribute to

2583
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:49,239
the file any longer.

2584
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,239
» Oh yeah.

2585
01:51:49,897 --> 01:51:52,320
» [snorts and laughter]

2586
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,639
» Okay.

2587
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:55,280
» That'll be your reason for your quick.

2588
01:51:54,639 --> 01:51:56,560
» Yeah. [clears throat]

2589
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,320
» I cannot do it.

2590
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:59,840
» Yeah.

2591
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:02,840
My quick ticket because I can't do my

2592
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,840
yard.

2593
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:09,480
» Yeah.

2594
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,480
» Right.

2595
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:21,840
» Yeah. I think we we get stuff from about

2596
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:25,000
half the municipalities in the county at

2597
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,000
this point.

2598
01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:28,719
» All right.

2599
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:32,000
» Thanks.

2600
01:52:28,719 --> 01:52:34,880
» Anything else on public works?

2601
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:36,960
» All right. Uh public safety.

2602
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:38,560
» Um we have received the reports this

2603
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:44,800
month. Um the only thing we didn't touch

2604
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:47,280
upon is we do um refer to

2605
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,360
manager Brahmer. We do have a current

2606
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:52,800
contract from Lifeline that's been

2607
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:54,320
signed uh into existent uh into

2608
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:58,080
existence

2609
01:52:54,320 --> 01:53:02,000
um and that is our 10-year contract that

2610
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:06,520
we talked about um several meetings ago

2611
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:06,520
with a few changes.

2612
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:11,920
significant change.

2613
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:14,880
» When we had this discussion, dealing

2614
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:17,440
with the discussion was that uh after a

2615
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,960
fiveyear period, we're going to pay a

2616
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:20,800
per capita

2617
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:24,159
» Um payment

2618
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:27,360
to lifeline for their service, but that

2619
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:30,320
was discussed here.

2620
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:33,320
Paula, do you have anything on the codes

2621
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,320
report?

2622
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:52,239
on public safety. Just a little

2623
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:54,400
interesting piece of information that um

2624
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:59,199
we learned

2625
01:53:54,400 --> 01:54:01,280
actually yesterday at the conference.

2626
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:03,440
Pennsylvania

2627
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:07,119
leads the nation

2628
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:09,440
in number of civilian fire deaths

2629
01:54:07,119 --> 01:54:12,920
per year.

2630
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:12,920
Isn't that sad?

2631
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:20,159
You know, it's it's awful. And

2632
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:24,320
you know, you think about why and you

2633
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:26,320
know, it's it's just awful. But yeah, we

2634
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:29,119
we were kind of shocked to hear that

2635
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:31,040
from the state department.

2636
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:33,520
» And one last thing, I would be remiss in

2637
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:36,159
not thanking American Post 3 American

2638
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:38,800
Legion Post 372 for their generous uh

2639
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:39,360
contribution and that was going to go to

2640
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,880
um

2641
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,560
» The purchase of our new tasers,

2642
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:44,880
» New tasers. So, I mean, I know they're

2643
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:47,040
expensive. Uh they wear out after a

2644
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,880
while and uh that was very generous of

2645
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:52,040
the American Legion to donate that to

2646
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:52,040
the girl.

2647
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:59,199
condemnations. I just see four

2648
01:54:56,560 --> 01:55:01,199
properties back on the uh

2649
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:04,199
being used against it just sitting

2650
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:04,199
around.

2651
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:07,920
I know eight North 8 Street property

2652
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:10,159
right around the corner from just got

2653
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:13,440
done. So neighbors are very happy to see

2654
01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:16,440
that all about a month from each other.

2655
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,440
Yeah.

2656
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:25,280
And um the ones

2657
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:29,440
that the connotations been lifted that

2658
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:31,840
were in the property reinvestment board

2659
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:34,320
that has

2660
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:38,800
um redevelopment authority been

2661
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:42,360
notified. Okay. Okay.

2662
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,360
» Yeah. Well,

2663
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:47,199
okay. We didn't talk about them last

2664
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:49,199
meeting, but I don't So, I don't know. I

2665
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:52,599
haven't seen the things for this month

2666
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:52,599
yet. So,

2667
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:02,199
All right.

2668
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:11,280
Anything else? Public safety.

2669
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:15,840
Um, all right. Market house report

2670
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:18,800
to report there. you have your only

2671
01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:21,040
at this time and we also have a plus one

2672
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:22,560
which is

2673
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:25,199
understand it's being used in a

2674
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:28,199
different area. So that's good to see

2675
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:28,199
too.

2676
01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:42,760
All right.

2677
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:49,679
That's right. Michelle's on vacation.

2678
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:52,719
Michelle is also on vacation [laughter]

2679
01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:57,280
together or not, but we're both on

2680
01:56:52,719 --> 01:57:00,960
vacation. All right. Um

2681
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:02,560
boards and commissions. We have uh a vac

2682
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:04,000
one vacancy on the parks and recck

2683
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:07,679
board.

2684
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:10,320
We have um some alternate positions, two

2685
01:57:07,679 --> 01:57:12,400
on the zoning hearing board and three on

2686
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,159
planning commission.

2687
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,920
Volunteer applications will be

2688
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:19,440
considered through the 20th of each

2689
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:22,800
month. Um

2690
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:28,320
and then if applicable, they will be put

2691
01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:32,719
on um a council agenda to be approved.

2692
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:35,920
Uh burough council comments. Uh what's

2693
01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:38,159
» No just uh

2694
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:41,679
this meeting went a lot better than last

2695
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:44,480
week. Thankful for that. But thank you

2696
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:48,560
for all your comments today.

2697
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:52,239
Appreciate the the decorum today.

2698
01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:54,080
Uh nothing new like say just uh glad to

2699
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:57,040
hear some

2700
01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:59,280
calmer or an in-depth conversation

2701
01:57:57,040 --> 01:58:01,920
rather than just yelling at each other.

2702
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:05,360
Uh but one one bright part at least

2703
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:08,000
after last Tuesday night I was I said I

2704
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:10,400
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday

2705
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:12,400
off off media and not checking emails.

2706
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:17,400
So I had three days of myself needed it

2707
01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:17,400
to get my sanity back. So

2708
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:22,280
» Just it's nice to see some new faces.

2709
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:32,960
» Um this learning a lot of this stuff and

2710
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:37,480
classes and

2711
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:37,480
I'm looking forward to being able to

2712
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:43,080
awesome.

2713
01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:47,040
» Uh I don't think I have anything. The

2714
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:50,400
only thing I was going to mention was

2715
01:58:47,040 --> 01:58:53,440
the zoning thing. Um but got to that in

2716
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:55,119
legislation. So nothing from me.

2717
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:57,599
» Um

2718
01:58:55,119 --> 01:59:00,400
as Jean mentioned, we are learning a

2719
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:03,599
lot. Jack's learning a lot. Um, hearing

2720
01:59:00,400 --> 01:59:06,400
a lot of feedback. We also, you know,

2721
01:59:03,599 --> 01:59:08,239
are hearing that

2722
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:13,599
it's always nice to know that you're not

2723
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:16,560
alone in stuff. Um, data centers is

2724
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:21,159
a huge conversation in just about every

2725
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:21,159
session we've been in. Um,

2726
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:27,440
feral cats has been brought up in

2727
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:31,040
several of the sessions that I've been

2728
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:34,080
in. Um, so we are not alone. This

2729
01:59:31,040 --> 01:59:37,599
afternoon, we had a session and there

2730
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:41,679
was a pretty lengthy conversation about

2731
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:44,880
contentious council meetings and

2732
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:50,400
council being subjected to some pretty,

2733
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:52,480
you know, pretty runchy behavior and and

2734
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:55,040
just what we experienced last night. So,

2735
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:57,360
it's nice to know that we are we are not

2736
01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:00,320
alone. I mean, one girl has had death

2737
01:59:57,360 --> 02:00:02,080
threats from from members of the public

2738
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:04,159
and then one of the people that

2739
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:07,048
threatened to kill her is now on counsel

2740
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:07,199
with her. I feel bad for the girl. Like,

2741
02:00:07,048 --> 02:00:09,840
[laughter]

2742
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:12,320
» Yeah, I know. Can you imagine?

2743
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:14,400
» Yeah. Like, how does that happen? But,

2744
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:16,639
um, one of the things that I have taken

2745
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:19,840
away and

2746
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:23,599
going to process it and bring it up in a

2747
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:25,760
future workshop, um, I got a model

2748
02:00:23,599 --> 02:00:28,159
ordinance

2749
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:32,159
from a municipality

2750
02:00:28,159 --> 02:00:35,199
that places a that places a fee

2751
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:36,719
on every PA skills machine in their

2752
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:40,000
municipality.

2753
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:42,480
Um, and it's done by ordinance and

2754
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:44,080
they're making like

2755
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:47,119
$20,000

2756
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:51,199
a year. Um, one one municipality is

2757
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:55,040
making like 80 grand on the PA based on

2758
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:56,960
how much they do. And my big concern on

2759
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:59,520
this was I know a lot of our fraternal

2760
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:01,440
organizations haven't been there, but

2761
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,800
the fee is charged to the owner of the

2762
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:05,199
machine. And those fraternal

2763
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:08,159
organizations do not own the machines.

2764
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:12,159
They just host them. So the owner would

2765
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:14,800
have to pay, not the Legion or the BFW

2766
02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:16,159
or any of that. So I'm going to uh I

2767
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:18,239
pulled that ordinance and I'm going to

2768
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:19,119
be presenting that

2769
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:21,360
» Future.

2770
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:21,360
» Yeah.

2771
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:26,400
Yep.

2772
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:27,840
» There was a lot of talk about the state

2773
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,320
looking at taxing this.

2774
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,719
» Yes.

2775
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,920
» Last year.

2776
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:32,880
They're still mulling it.

2777
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,920
» They're still mulling it.

2778
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:35,840
» They've m stuff.

2779
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:38,080
» So,

2780
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:41,119
» Yeah, I know they're

2781
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:43,760
» They can't ever get themselves together.

2782
02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:46,239
» All right. Up meeting.

2783
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:48,320
» The next meeting will be 700 p.m. on

2784
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:50,480
Tuesday, June 9th. Council will hold a

2785
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:52,000
regular meeting. I have a motion to

2786
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,800
adjourn.

2787
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:56,560
» Second.

2788
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:59,840
» Motion by council person easy.

2789
02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:04,400
» Second by council person Cooper to

2790
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:07,199
adjourn at 9:02 p.m. All in favor?

2791
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:09,199
» I. Anyone opposed?

2792
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:12,639
» We're ajourned.

2793
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:12,639
» Check this. Tell