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We're gonna start with the urban

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renewal.

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You

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» I know. Just gonna trying to get

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» Oh, there we go.

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» Ready?

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» Yes,

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» We're ready.

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» Okay. So, um it's six o'clock.

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» I'm calling this meeting of the Urban

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Renewal Agency Budget Committee to

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order.

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I'm Steve Tusky. prior year's chair.

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The meeting of the city of St. Helens

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urban renewal agency budget committee

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will now come to order. Time is now 6:00

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p.m. and 20 seconds maybe. Um first

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we'll go around the table and please

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introduce yourself

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then me and then I'm going to go to any

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members in attendance online.

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Um so start with you. Yeah. John Walsh

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and in this meeting I am the urban

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renewal agency director.

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» Thank you.

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» Uh Jennifer Massie, mayor.

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» Glory Butch, finest director.

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» Jeremy Evans, committee member, city

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council,

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city council.

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» I committee member

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committee member.

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» And then are there any members of the

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urban renewal agency budget committee

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that are currently online?

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has not shown up yet. I just sent her an

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email.

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» All right. Let us know if she does show

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up. We'll keep going along. Um

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All right. So then um I would like to

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turn this matter over to the budget

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officer to review the agenda,

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introductions, budget officer comments,

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the rules of the urban renewal agency

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budget committee, and then we can go

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over declarations of conflict of

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interest after you finish. Miss Bush

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» Butch. Butch. Thank you.

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» Okay. So if is there any changes? um

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proposed for the agenda. I think it's

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pretty straightforward a normal agenda.

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None. So the ground rules committee

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members will act professionally and

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respectfully during the meetings.

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Committee members need to remember they

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are serving the community. Political

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ambitions and personal agendas and

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vendettas do not have a place here and

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should be at home.

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The city hall rules of conduct require

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that people behave in a manner that is

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not harassing or annoying under the

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circumstances which includes refraining

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from personal attacks. Budget committee

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members must refrain from personal

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attacks and instead phrase their views

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in ways that are not personal to the

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specific person. Everyone on the

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committee has a voice and is expected to

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present represent the community as a

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whole.

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your professional city staff has worked

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hard on bringing you a proposed budget

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that is based on council priorities and

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please be respectful of city staff. We

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are part of the community that are you

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are representing

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and so conflicts of interest uh is

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everybody aware of the conflicts of

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conflict of interest statement

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» And declaration?

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» No,

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» I think we are. Does anybody need it to

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be read or any Okay, I hear nobody needs

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it to be read.

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» Okay. Is there anybody that wants to a

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conflict of interest for the urban

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renewal agency?

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» I hear no conflicts of interest being

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raised by any member.

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» Okay, back to you.

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» Okay, so it's time to select a chair for

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the urban renewal agency budget

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committee

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uh for this year. Uh, does anybody would

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anybody like to make a nomination?

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» Second that.

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» Okay. Any other nominations for chair?

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» Jeremy Evans.

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» Okay. There's another

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Jeremy Evans being nominated for chair.

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I hear a second.

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None. So, uh, I'll move for a vote for,

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um, Steve Tasks to be the chair of the

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urban renewal agency budget committee

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for 2026. Let's see.

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» Pardon?

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» 27 budget. Thank you. Uh, all those in

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favor?

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against.

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Now, I'd like to call for nominations

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for vice chair.

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And uh do I hear any nominations or a

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vote for vice chair for the urban

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renewal agency budget committee 2027?

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» I nominate Jeremy Evans.

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» All right.

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Any other nominations?

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I hear none. So there's a nomination in

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a second. Can I get a show of vote for

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eyes for Jeremy Evans as the vice chair

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of the urban renewal agency budget

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committee?

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I any nays?

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» The second on that was Brandon Sundine.

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» Okay. So, I'd like to move on to the

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approval of the minutes.

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Um have uh these are the minutes for the

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May 29th, 2025 urban renewal budget

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committee minutes. As I recall, we had

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one meeting um and we have those the

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minutes for the and the meeting was

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relatively brief and so has everybody

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had a chance to review the minutes and

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if so is there anybody proposed any

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corrections to the minutes?

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I'm hearing nothing about corrections to

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the minutes.

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And I have a motion to approve the

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minutes uh for the 2026

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uh urban renewal agency budget

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committee.

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» Motion to approve the minutes.

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» Second that.

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» Right. And uh all in favor I

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» I and against none.

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Okay. So the minutes are now the

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minutes. Let's go to public comment on

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the proposed urban renewal agency

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budget.

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Committee members who wish to

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oh see community members who wish to

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please state your name for the record

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and observe the time limit of three

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minute and focus your comments

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specifically on the city's proposed

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budget for fiscal year 2627 as it

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relates to the urban renewal agency.

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That's what we're here to talk. The

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Urban Renewal Agency uh request that you

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refrain from personal attacks and

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instead focus on the budget for the

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urban renewal agency as it is proposed

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for 2027.

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There any public comments from the

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community members?

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Yes, Brian. Um, you look at the last

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year of the budget, you will notice that

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the the proposed budget for following

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year, you will notice that the revenue

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is less than the expenses and it's

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negative. I've been saying for literally

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five years that the income from the

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industrial property did not pay for the

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property and would not pay for the

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properties. The only reason that it's

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not going to be bankrupt, which is what

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I've been telling you for ever, is

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because you've had enough time to build

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up some desert. Hopefully, over time,

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the value of that property will increase

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and that negative cash flow option will

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not continue to happen. This is what

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happens when you spend money you don't

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have. Donald and I opposed it from the

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beginning. I opposed it now that you

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that it's not filled with dreams. You

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don't build it and they will come. No

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one's come. We have to have development

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and you had to have development before

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you spent the money. Spent the money and

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you are now in a c negative cash flow

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situation. I'm hoping that that

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situation changes but it hasn't and it

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was there and contrary to the

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administration and your finance director

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who says, "Oh, no, no, don't worry. In

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fact, it's right there on black and

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white that in fact you are in a negative

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cash flow situation." Um, for how many

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years that happens? No. But uh this is

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what happens about when you spend money.

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» Thank you, Brady. Any other public

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comments from anybody here regarding the

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budget for the urban renewal agency?

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There are none. Any public comments from

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anybody online?

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There are none. So, the public comment

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time frame is now closed. And I would

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like to turn over uh our discussion to

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Gloria Bush with Butch our budget

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officer.

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» Thank you.

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Uh the message for the

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St. Helens Urban Renewal Agency for

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Fiscal year 2027. It's our pleasure to

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present to you the fiscal year 2027

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proposed budget for the St. Helen's

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urban renewal agency. Fiscal year 2025

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was the first year since the formation

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of the urban renewal where funds were

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appropriated in categories other than in

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contingency for the prior eight years.

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Basically was collecting resources to

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ensure and enable the agency to to

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advance the priority infrastructure

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projects identified in the adopted St.

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Helen's urban renewal plan. This plan

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and project list is available on the

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city's website.

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The proposed budget appropriates $50,000

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in a capital outlay as a placeholder. It

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also appropriates $25,000 in materials

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and services for the annual audit.

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Additionally, this will be the first

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year that the agency expects to begin

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death service payments on the loan that

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provided the financing for the

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waterfront improvement projects. This

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project focused on improving key streets

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and intersections in the downtown

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riverfront district, extending utilities

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onto the city's riverfront property, and

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improvements along the Columbia River

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and Columbia View Park. These projects

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have set the groundwork for future

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public amenities and private investment

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in the city's riverfront property. For

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more information, see the project page

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on the city's website.

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The resources for project expenditures

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included a loan from IFA

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infrastructure financing authority and

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grants administered by the state.

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Additionally, some eligible expenditures

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are accounted for in the city's SDC

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funds. The IFA loan balance is

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$14,630,318.

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Maximum indebtedness or MI for the

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agency is $62 million.

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This is measured by the project

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expenditures of the agency. By June 30,

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2026, the amount of MI

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used by the the agency is expected to be

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$18,254,496.

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that are financed by system development

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charges are not counted against the MI.

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The agency property tax

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revenue for fiscal years 2024 and 2025

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declined due to the departure of

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Cascad's tissue. The sale of the old

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mill site was anticipated to close in

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June 2025. However, that did not occur

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until late December 2025.

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too late for the property to return to

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the tax roles to be assessed for fiscal

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year 2026.

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Private investment on the city's

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waterfront redevelopment project,

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the city's

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industrial business park and

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reactivation at the former Armstrong

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World Industry site have all all have

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potential to improve the financial

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outlook for the agency in the long term.

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In the future, the city of St. Helens a

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urban renewal agency may request

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reimburse Oh, sorry. In the future, the

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city of St. Helens may request

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reimbursement of expenses from previous

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years that were related to the agency.

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Currently, city staff is recommending

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that it wait to seek any reimbursements

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from the agency, expenses from previous

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years to ensure sufficient revenues are

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acred to make loan payments when they

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come due. These expenses can include

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agency planning fees and professional

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services along with a percentage of

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staff time that was used to create and

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administer the agency. These expenses

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are tracked in our financial system if

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the city chooses to seek reimbursement

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reimbursement in the future from the

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SRA.

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Sincerely, John Walsh and the agency

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administrator and William Butch agency

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finance. Correct.

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Okay. Any discussion

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concerning the urban renewal agency

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budget?

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I have a couple questions, but I'd like

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to open it up to other people. I I just

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note it appears that the debt servicing

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cost is exceeding the revenues and will

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continue to. Uh so if this fund balance

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is depleted by year end 20 fiscal year

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end 27 uh it's unclear how the debt is

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going to be serviced going forward.

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However I don't see any flexibility to

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make a change at this juncture.

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» I I what I'm saying is I think there is

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a fiscal challenge coming down the pipe

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that possibly could have been foreseen

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um and it may be a tough spot next year.

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what are the numbers that you're looking

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at?

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» So, if uh if you look at the the

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estimate or the proposed budget here and

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you add up total resources and then you

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back off the fund balance, so you just

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look at what's coming in this year,

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there's less coming in than the $85,000

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in interest. So, um without that fund

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balance, effectively be bankrupt.

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insolvent maybe is a more proper term.

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So I will not be surprised if these

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revenues do not materialize or

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materialize higher than this if the

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following year this will be solvent.

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But we do have uh

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uh Arcadia

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coming online for this uh next tax

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season.

348
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Uh they will be assessed in November. So

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our projections for fiscal year 2027 is

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based on that. Um

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projecting forward

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I believe you're correct you it's going

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to be tight and so we are we are

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dependent on growth

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in the urban renewal district in order

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to um cover debt service. Is there

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additional is there additional debt

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services going to be coming online in

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the next three years?

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» No. No planned.

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» Is this a full year of debt service? Not

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knowing exact covenants. It's like two

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coupon payments semiannual. Is that

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» Um so this is this is the first time the

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first year of debt service on the loan.

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And this uh projection that we have for

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the fiscal year 2027 is the acred

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interest on the loan because it was a a

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draw loan

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and the interest costs accured over the

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life of the project. Um

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it is possible

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depending on the timing of the IFA going

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to the bond bank. So, this was a

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temporary loan

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» Basically that was

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» It's like a bridge loan to get you

378
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» Right and then if goes to what's called

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the bond bank to refinance that loan and

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depending on the timing of that we may

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have another year before we're have uh a

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payment due.

383
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» Okay. But we we put this in here

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as a just in case it comes due in

385
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September.

386
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» Okay. So that's very interesting. If

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it's going to be refinancing current

388
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market conditions, I know for sure the

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interest rates are higher than when this

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was initiated. So what would you expect

391
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the annual interest to be it or

392
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refinanced in market rates today?

393
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» Right. So

394
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» Essentially what's the debt burden

395
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burden that you would

396
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» It's different than going out on the

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market or going to a bank because the

398
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IFA will basically um be borrowing from

399
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the feds

400
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through the bond bank.

401
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» Sure. So the rate will be lower

402
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» Than they were in 21.

403
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» Um that's yet to be

404
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:46,320
» We don't have we'll know we'll know what

405
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the rate is. um I believe in June.

406
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» So

407
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» Correct. Yeah, the the interim financing

408
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is charged 6%. Pretty favorable rate

409
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that the state that's what the the 800

410
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is based on is 0.6%.

411
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» It was acred over time.

412
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» Okay. So it's let's call it project

413
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» Five years of 0.6 peranom.

414
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» So 3%.

415
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» Do you think we'll get a coupon rate

416
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lower than 3% when it's refinanced?

417
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That would be follow if he gave in any

418
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indication.

419
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» I mean, I'm just trying to draw a very

420
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broad conclusion of will the interest be

421
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higher or lower? And it sounds like it's

422
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,960
more likely to be higher than lower.

423
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» I would I would assume that that's

424
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correct. The agency did a lot of

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financial work on the front end to kind

426
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of safeguard high, medium, low growth.

427
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We targeted the a lowest low growth rate

428
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figuring that would be

429
00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,080
gades going away and coming off tax

430
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roles was not part of that equation. So

431
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,600
» Absolutely understood.

432
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» But there arcades coming back on. So

433
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,919
» Looking from here forward and thinking

434
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that that interest line could get worse.

435
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:58,399
So to rehab,

436
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» You won't know until September if this

437
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:01,919
even needs to be done and you won't know

438
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till June what the interest rate would

439
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:07,840
be. We have we are currently going

440
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through the process with IFA with the

441
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:16,159
state for um going to the bond bank. So

442
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we won't know if um we won't know those

443
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,399
answers until June.

444
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,880
» Okay.

445
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,960
» At least.

446
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:25,840
» And what was the September date? The

447
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:28,960
September date is um from our interim

448
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:31,760
financing amortization schedule. So that

449
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:35,440
is what we're basing this on. So it's

450
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it's a theoretical

451
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:43,360
um uh amortization schedule for the

452
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loan, the interim loan that um we had to

453
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,760
use as the place marker.

454
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,480
» Okay. And then

455
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,880
you said that this was based the number

456
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:56,159
is based on projected growth. Is that

457
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,279
from what from Arcadia or some other

458
00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:00,720
projected growth?

459
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:02,080
» Um also for the riverfront for any

460
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,480
development that happens on the

461
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:08,960
riverfront. So anything that happens in

462
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:10,880
the urban renewal um plan area.

463
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,240
» You want to talk about that? How would

464
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,080
how do you arrive at that number that

465
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,520
something at the riverfront is going to

466
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,000
like? But that's what I'm trying to

467
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,039
» That's that's going to be in the future.

468
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So that would be forecasted out. We

469
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:29,520
don't have the a forecast for that. Um

470
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:31,760
or I don't uh you want to talk about

471
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,240
that John?

472
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,520
» Yes. Well, getting too urban renewal,

473
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:40,559
but urban renewal encompasses about 20%

474
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,640
of the commercial industrial area city.

475
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:47,440
There's a urban renewal plan shows the

476
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boundary and growth within that

477
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area. The city receives there's a frozen

478
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base when we informed the district and

479
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:57,520
then any growth after that, the city

480
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,960
captures all of the taxing agencies, not

481
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just the city's $1.90. It gets the the

482
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,000
it gets

483
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,279
fire, it gets police, it gets the

484
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,320
county, you get school districts, it

485
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:09,760
gets everything. So, it gets a a larger

486
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,760
you get a little bit of growth. It's a

487
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,760
lot.

488
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,799
» Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to figure

489
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,440
out what what you base your projections

490
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:20,399
on, but

491
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080
numbers are solid.

492
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:24,799
» You used to consult in Tiberious

493
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Solutions, which is a specializes in

494
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:30,440
urban latencies and plants and

495
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:35,600
objections. There was a high, medium,

496
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and low growth rates and targeted the

497
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,840
the no growth conservative most

498
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:44,600
conservative rate to protect ourselves.

499
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,600
» Just one major salt number Jeremy does

500
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,320
» I mean we we're we're leveraged on the

501
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,919
industrial

502
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,799
productivity within the zone

503
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:57,440
essentially. So

504
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:58,799
personally I I wouldn't wouldn't put a

505
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,960
lot of stake in any particular

506
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:03,039
projection. I think it's actually quite

507
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,399
a lumpy situation. You have something go

508
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,240
away and it's a big event. You have

509
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,760
something coming in that's a big event.

510
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Um

511
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,240
but certainly a big question for the

512
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,200
future whether the revenues will be

513
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:18,480
there which kind of had to come back to

514
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:22,080
my prior line of of questions. is

515
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:24,399
thinking what happens if the revenues

516
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,640
don't materialize to cover the debt in

517
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,640
that case

518
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:35,720
what happens does it who covers it uh

519
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,720
you know how does insolveny get resolved

520
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,720
it's very common for the agencies and

521
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,640
cities to work back and forth and that

522
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,799
one agency will loan money to the other

523
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,440
agency and the other will pay it back or

524
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:51,760
depending which has more money at the

525
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,240
kind of money moves back and forth. So

526
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:58,720
» Effectively the city would would kind of

527
00:31:54,240 --> 00:32:02,080
be on hook on the hook for lending money

528
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,840
» To cover. So almost like they're the

529
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,519
ultimate obligor here on the bond.

530
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,960
» I mean can can the urban renewal agency

531
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,600
default on the bond? I guess is the

532
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,519
question I'm asking. Is it possible or

533
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,039
will the city have to

534
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,000
» Yeah. Okay. So the city's the ultimate

535
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:17,600
all

536
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,960
» Okay. the city's on.

537
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,200
» So the city's on the

538
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,120
» I have a quick question just in relation

539
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,360
to the expenses. I assume that the

540
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,120
professional expenses the in the permit

541
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,000
that's all in the professional

542
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,919
» I can barely hear you.

543
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,760
» Uh sorry about that. Um the uh the

544
00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:35,440
reimbursements I'm just making sure that

545
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,679
that is the only line item we're talking

546
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,120
about is in the professional services or

547
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:41,039
» We're not doing a reimbursement.

548
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,559
» Yeah, that's my question. Why are we not

549
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,120
or is there a reason why is because it

550
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,080
takes out of the fund and we need that.

551
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,960
So, we're not doing we're the city is

552
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,240
not um

553
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,080
asking for reimbursement from

554
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,720
the agency

555
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,279
for the very reasons that we just talked

556
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,399
about.

557
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,159
» I just want to make sure because it's

558
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:04,399
going to come up, right? Because what on

559
00:33:02,159 --> 00:33:06,080
the front page here when it talks about

560
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:08,000
Sinclair Y we're not asking for the

561
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,760
reimbursements

562
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:14,480
» Until the agency until such time as the

563
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,320
agency becomes solvent and we're sure

564
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:19,039
that we can make all the debt service

565
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,600
and other payments.

566
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,279
» Okay. So it's like giving free services

567
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,679
from the city to the urban renewal

568
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,200
agency until the point where they could

569
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,840
afford to pay as they go.

570
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,519
» Right.

571
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,960
» Okay. which is different than

572
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:33,039
accumulating those and having them

573
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,240
recovered eventually. date.

574
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:38,399
» No, we will. We do plan on

575
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:41,120
» The event that at some point in time in

576
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:44,480
the future, the urban renewal agency

577
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,559
will reimburse the city for all of the

578
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,440
accumulated.

579
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:51,519
» Oh, what are the accumulated expenses?

580
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,240
» Yeah, that number

581
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,000
there need be money.

582
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:57,679
» Is it is it material? Are we talking

583
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,840
about like a million dollars or,000? No,

584
00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:03,279
it's

585
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:05,120
between two and 5 thou $100,000

586
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:05,919
» For the entire Okay.

587
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,159
» Yeah.

588
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:10,159
» And what kind of estimated time frame do

589
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,679
you think that's going to happen?

590
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,480
» Uh

591
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,639
that's going to be really based on how

592
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,320
soon we get development and how soon

593
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,879
that development is um affects the tax

594
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,079
roles.

595
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:26,240
» $3 million is a4 million.

596
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,720
That's the what we thought that was what

597
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:33,280
that was what was answered in the last

598
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:35,520
budget committee. $20 million assessed

599
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:39,599
in the urban renewal creates quart

600
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:41,760
million dollars in revenues.

601
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,440
So,

602
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,720
» Invest

603
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,599
and build.

604
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:49,280
» It's good for us.

605
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:53,919
» At least one $20 million

606
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:57,760
be great. Um, I had one question

607
00:34:53,919 --> 00:35:00,320
just consideration about getting more

608
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,079
properties online. I I know a couple of

609
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,839
properties are built but not yet

610
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,839
occupied and there are other people that

611
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:07,359
are properties working on it. I don't

612
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:09,200
know if there's a mechanism that we can

613
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:10,720
trigger

614
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,839
people that are working on things that

615
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,800
we can somehow get those onto the tax

616
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:18,320
roles uh those just consideration going

617
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,520
forward

618
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,560
because we've got some people that are

619
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,320
sort of mid- project. Can we get them

620
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,280
the more favorable tax ro

621
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,960
» Expedited

622
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,200
» And I don't know what the triggering

623
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,240
mechanism is. got one building that

624
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,839
looks done, put that one on the tax roll

625
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:36,800
so that we get the more favorable tax

626
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:39,280
treat. But the earlier the better is

627
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,400
just the thought. I don't know if you

628
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,000
want to respond to that or not.

629
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,720
» Properties come on the tax rolls after

630
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:48,000
they're issued occupancy and and hits

631
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:48,960
the tax the assessor cycle cycle

632
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,359
» To occupancy.

633
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,160
» They also cycle through the project if

634
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:56,480
it's long. the assessor will come and

635
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,720
appraise it what's been done if it's

636
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,560
even not habitable if it's a structure

637
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,960
they will tax you for the structure and

638
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,400
then they'll come back the next year and

639
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
tax it when it's finished

640
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,079
» So they can start tax

641
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,040
» They do they do start taxing my

642
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:12,560
experience

643
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:15,040
» So I guess uh suggestion from me would

644
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,280
be to try to make sure that we as early

645
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,280
as possible get these developing

646
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,359
properties onto the tax ro such that

647
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,359
we're collecting as much as we

648
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:30,800
Is that is that within the the bounds of

649
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,240
what can be done? Is there some legal

650
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,839
distinction to when you can start

651
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,320
taxing?

652
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:38,560
» Because I believe,

653
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,440
» Right? Is that a policy or is that a

654
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,680
legal piece? Because, you know, say I

655
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,680
built a house and I did it, you know,

656
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,440
it's done November 1st and I'm assuming

657
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,920
that's past the cycle because I pay my

658
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,320
taxes, property taxes in November. Do I

659
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,040
then basically get

660
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,280
a a tax holiday until we get to the next

661
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,599
year?

662
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,240
» No, we would get we would get a greater

663
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:03,440
share the only than the state would

664
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,760
normally state takes huge chunk of the

665
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,440
property tax. What urban and renewal

666
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,000
allows us to do is get a bigger piece of

667
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,440
the pie.

668
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,160
» Right. I'm just talking about the cycle

669
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,640
time. Do there end up being a

670
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,240
» Type

671
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,160
» Like a holiday where you don't have to

672
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:19,119
pay tax in between until you get this

673
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,119
occupancy and is that legal or is that a

674
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,240
policy decision?

675
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,440
» Property owner has to pay

676
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,359
» The assessor isn't it?

677
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,880
» Yeah. I mean taxation's run through the

678
00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:30,800
county. So we don't have over that.

679
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,560
Right.

680
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,400
The point I'm trying to bring up and I

681
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:41,359
think you know Jeremy's is that

682
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:43,440
we say to the state

683
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:46,640
we want bigger piece of the pie on this

684
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:50,079
building, this building, this building

685
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,680
this year. And then state is going to

686
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:54,240
either say yay or nay and then we're

687
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,160
going to get a bigger piece of the pie

688
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,920
like on the Klondike which has been

689
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,119
chipping away for a while. We've got two

690
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,280
buildings that I don't know if they have

691
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,520
occupancy or not. There are a number of

692
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,200
buildings that are sort of been

693
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,079
developing people and putting money in.

694
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Can we grab more money?

695
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,920
They say to the state we want more

696
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,480
money. This is an urban renewal.

697
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,880
We want more. We want a bigger piece of

698
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:23,119
the pie

699
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:25,040
and try to brings forward those concepts

700
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,960
and defend them if we need to, how we

701
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,599
need to defend them. But we we need

702
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,520
revenues and we do have people that are

703
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:34,320
significant putting significant amounts

704
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:38,320
of money into their properties and the

705
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:41,040
properties are appreciating in value.

706
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,359
Faster we get them the bigger piece

707
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:46,240
better for us.

708
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:48,160
» Russ have you had experience with that?

709
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,839
Can you explain? I don't think the

710
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
state's going to give you anything but I

711
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,560
mean

712
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,000
» You're have to take it for sure.

713
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,160
» Yeah. and you try to ask

714
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880
» We want it and they're going to

715
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,480
» Well my problem problem is is the system

716
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,440
development charge which is almost

717
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,560
doubling in fees and this goes on every

718
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,720
door that's built so I don't know how

719
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,920
much urban growth boundary or the urban

720
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:15,920
growth uh is is taking out of that

721
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,720
» The urban renewal has no no effect on

722
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,839
system development charges and has no

723
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,160
benefit to

724
00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:24,160
» It says it may charge

725
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,440
some some eligible expenders are

726
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:35,280
accounted for in the SDC,

727
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:40,880
» Right? So the urban renewal or the SDC

728
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:45,119
funds for it's its um water SDC fund uh

729
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,000
there was water SDC's used in some of

730
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:50,240
the infrastructure project

731
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,839
portion of the infrastructure project.

732
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:58,240
So those um are used for the project,

733
00:39:53,839 --> 00:40:01,040
but they're not urban renewal

734
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,800
um benefit.

735
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,320
They're a benefit to the project.

736
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:09,760
They're and the city,

737
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,079
but not for urban renewal.

738
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,160
» But when a developer comes in and

739
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,960
develops, then they're given that. So

740
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,359
that's

741
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,880
» When a developer comes in, they will

742
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:23,520
still have to pay their SDC's.

743
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,000
It's not uh prepaying for that

744
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,160
development.

745
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,960
One thing I advocated for last year was

746
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,200
consideration for for postponing the

747
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:36,079
SDC's and I see that our SDC's have gone

748
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,520
up and I know that our funding is short

749
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:42,000
but we have to be smart about

750
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:47,920
encouraging development

751
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:50,960
and if we can give the developers a a

752
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,960
break on the front end that means they

753
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,280
have less cost on the front end to get

754
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:59,200
the projects going.

755
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:01,280
And so I know that WA uh Seattle area

756
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:04,240
had something going and and I know that

757
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,319
that there have been other initiatives

758
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,640
in Oregon

759
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:11,359
where

760
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,640
the lay of the STC's have been done to

761
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:18,560
encourage housing development.

762
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:21,359
And so I really believe that those items

763
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,440
should be explored aggressively

764
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:27,760
because we could really use more housing

765
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:30,960
and in our city in my opinion and that

766
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,000
it's clear that we need to have building

767
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,960
done. We need it.

768
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,160
So this is I think year two or three for

769
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,079
me to say that we should be tell we

770
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,720
should be incentivizing our developers.

771
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,240
should be saying to them, hey, look,

772
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,920
now's the time to get a good seat on the

773
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,400
bus. We're going to wave your STC's or

774
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,640
not wave, but delay till sale or

775
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,119
something some something that is shown

776
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:59,920
to work. There there is a mechanism for

777
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:02,880
that and uh there is and by state law we

778
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:07,200
are um

779
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:11,760
we by state law we are required to allow

780
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:15,040
a a payment program for SDC's.

781
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:18,079
» Well I know that council Hubard has a

782
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,400
project he's doing but doesn't matter to

783
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,680
me who is working on the project. We

784
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,000
have a lot of people that are interested

785
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:27,200
in building St. balance and whatever can

786
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:29,440
be done to maximize

787
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,119
and incentivize the building to get done

788
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,359
and as quickly as possible, I think it

789
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,160
would benefit everybody across the

790
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:35,359
board.

791
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
» I'm kind of curious what councelor

792
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:38,560
Hubber says because I actually after you

793
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,319
said that, I ran down a couple of the

794
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,760
major developers out here and asked them

795
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:44,160
their opinion on if it would be

796
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,599
beneficial to them to have the SDC's uh

797
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,119
at the very end of the project and

798
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,640
they've said that it actually doesn't

799
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,280
make a difference to them. So, I'd like

800
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,920
to ask councelor Hubard if it actually

801
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,359
makes a difference. Uh, in your opinion,

802
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,920
» It makes a difference when you've got to

803
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:00,960
come up with cash up front. If you can

804
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:04,000
delay it, some are passing it on to in

805
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,280
some cases to the homeowner that on

806
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400
their

807
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,800
» Going to get it in the end no matter

808
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,200
what.

809
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,040
» Right.

810
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,680
And when I've seen a lot of these big

811
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:17,280
developers and some of them approaching

812
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:19,520
us, u they'll come in and they'll have a

813
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,160
large project, they're going to want to

814
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,280
negotiate the SDC's. What are you going

815
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:27,680
to do in that respect? They if they get

816
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,280
discounted and me just building a couple

817
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,440
little units or something, I don't get

818
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,440
any break

819
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,720
something to look at. But, you know,

820
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,960
they're they're bringing in a lot of

821
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:38,640
homes and a lot of work. But uh they're

822
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,160
going to want that break to be

823
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:45,599
advantageous. So there's there's a my

824
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,119
problem with it.

825
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,359
» Okay. Well, it's been a wonderful

826
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,240
discussion. Um but anything else that we

827
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:53,920
need to talk about before we move on to

828
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,000
Oh, we have somebody online.

829
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,599
» So Shelton's been online for a bit. I

830
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,280
don't think she's here. Do you have

831
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:02,720
anything she wants to add based upon

832
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:05,359
what she's heard or I think about to

833
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,480
close our discussion time on this

834
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,839
budget?

835
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,520
» Shilton, do you have anything to add to

836
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:12,319
the URA meeting?

837
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,880
» I do not. Thank you.

838
00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:17,200
» Okay. Well, we've bounced it around

839
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,480
quite a bit. Um, does anybody want to

840
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,200
make any motions concerning our

841
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,680
post 2027

842
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,839
uh city St. Herb and City St. Urban

843
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:32,720
Renewal Agency. I think

844
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:34,319
I'm looking for a motion to pass it

845
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:39,079
unless somebody wants to make a motion

846
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:39,079
to amend it. Pass it.

847
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,359
» I approve it.

848
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,119
» I will make a motion to approve the

849
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:49,359
budget. It's presented.

850
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:53,240
» So there's

851
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:53,240
there's a script. Oh.

852
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,680
Move to

853
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,200
» In the yellow. Yes.

854
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,520
» Motion made by

855
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,880
» Oh,

856
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,319
» I don't think

857
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,119
» It's right here. This one.

858
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:08,000
» Okay, here we go.

859
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,000
» The top one.

860
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,760
» I move to approve

861
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:16,240
» The FY 202627 budget for the city of St.

862
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Helen's Urban Renewal Agency in the

863
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,960
amount of $1,198,226

864
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:26,880
and approve that the agency levy the

865
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:31,000
maximum incremental tax revenues as

866
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,000
proposed under state law.

867
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,800
» Any discussion?

868
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,319
» No discussion. All in favor?

869
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,920
» I.

870
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:42,880
And anybody opposed?

871
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,560
No.

872
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,960
» Okay, we have one. No. Then do we get

873
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Councelor Chilton's uh vote?

874
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:53,839
» Yay.

875
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,760
» What was your vote?

876
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:59,520
» Yay.

877
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:02,920
» Okay. So, it's approved.

878
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,920
And then

879
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,079
I would like to call for an ensurement

880
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:12,880
of the

881
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:16,400
um city of St. Helens urban renewal

882
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,839
agency budget committee meeting.

883
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,839
Hearing no objection, the meeting is

884
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,839
adjourned.

885
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,319
Thank you.

886
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,079
» Right. This meeting of the city of St.

887
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:41,920
Helens Budget Committee will now come to

888
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:48,200
order. It is May 28th, 2026, and the

889
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:48,200
time now is 6:37 p.m.

890
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:59,920
Uh, are there any staff members who are

891
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:02,720
excused or attending virtually today?

892
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:04,880
Believe we have

893
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:07,680
two members excused today.

894
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:12,560
» Any members? Um,

895
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,839
Mason and uh, councelor

896
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,119
are absent.

897
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:16,240
» Excuse.

898
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,480
» Okay.

899
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:24,079
» And we have, uh, councelor

900
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Chilton on the um,

901
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,680
virtually.

902
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:30,160
» Yes.

903
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,079
» All right.

904
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,640
Uh, so now I will turn it over to the

905
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:38,160
budget officer.

906
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,440
» Okay. Thank you. So, we already you've

907
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,599
already heard the ground rules, so I

908
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:44,599
won't go through those again. Um,

909
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:51,200
let's see. Let's review of the agenda.

910
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:55,119
Is there anything

911
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,400
in on the agenda that had been requested

912
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,520
at the last meeting?

913
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,000
» No.

914
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,839
» Okay.

915
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,400
» No. Um, I want to make sure.

916
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:02,960
» Don't we need to be able to confident?

917
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,359
» We will.

918
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,880
» Okay.

919
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:08,240
» That's nice.

920
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:12,240
So um so I want to add certain things to

921
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:14,640
the agenda probably at the point where

922
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:16,720
we're going to be deciding public after

923
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,760
public comment.

924
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:21,599
Uh one I want to discuss elimination of

925
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,920
the phantom money identified as the

926
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:26,079
police service fee from the budget

927
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:29,040
» That's already been removed. So

928
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:31,760
» Okay good. Um

929
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,000
number two I want to balance the budget.

930
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,359
discussed about that.

931
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,160
» So that'll come along when we down to

932
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:40,640
the discussion and staff revisions.

933
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,319
» So

934
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,040
» So it is on the agenda.

935
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:49,280
» So is there a document that you sorry

936
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,880
that you presented that has

937
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,000
» Service fee?

938
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,440
» Yes. So, um, can we skip to that at the

939
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:00,440
later in the agenda that's on,

940
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,440
um,

941
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,720
it'll be down at staff revisions and

942
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,680
opportunity for discussions. We did

943
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:10,880
have, you've been provided copies of the

944
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,200
sheets. You were emailed the sheets.

945
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,119
Um, and if you don't have those, we'll

946
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,359
make sure that you do,

947
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,880
» But when we get down to that, that's all

948
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:20,720
there. And I haven't had a chance to

949
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,880
look at that in complete detail.

950
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,599
» That's fine. We can we can go over it

951
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,920
and review it.

952
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,319
» I need a copy of it. I have it.

953
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,599
» Okay.

954
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:30,960
» It's on the packet that we put on the

955
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,680
page.

956
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:37,920
» So when we get Yeah.

957
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:41,800
When we get down to that um item on the

958
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,800
agenda. Yeah.

959
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,000
So,

960
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,920
» Any further review on the agenda?

961
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,599
» Yes.

962
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,079
Um, I don't know if this has already

963
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,960
been done on the proposed, but discuss

964
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:04,240
eliminating council stipens. So,

965
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:06,960
» Um, we're not down to discussions on

966
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:08,720
budget yet. We need to get through the

967
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,200
agenda items.

968
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:12,559
» Okay. Maybe here's a suggestion. I know

969
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,400
you've got a number of topics you want

970
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:16,559
to discuss. Maybe rattle them off and

971
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,480
let's find out if they fit into that

972
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,280
discussion category or if they need to

973
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,880
be

974
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,800
» I think they're premature.

975
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,119
» Well, I know I don't want to delve into

976
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,640
them. I just want to say let's say

977
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,640
there's 10 items, right?

978
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,319
» Do they all fit under the heading of

979
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,319
discussing approving the budget? And if

980
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:34,079
they do, fine. And if they don't, then

981
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:36,079
we may need to debate whether they come

982
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,880
to the agenda or not. That's my thought.

983
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:39,280
Okay.

984
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:42,480
» Yeah. So discuss eliminating council

985
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:46,160
stipens. Discuss lowering administration

986
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:49,839
budget. Discuss the Jennifer Meyer case,

987
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:52,240
$1,000 in sanctions up to $55,000. Now

988
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:53,520
what's the what's where what's our plan

989
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,599
and what's the budget? Where's that

990
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,680
going to come from? Discuss tourism

991
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,599
budget, lowering expenses on the tourism

992
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,599
budget.

993
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,440
Uh discuss reopening the city and

994
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:05,119
keeping it open and ensuring that we

995
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,480
have a budget enough money to keep it

996
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:11,680
open all year. discuss the $1 million

997
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,400
for a proposed stage

998
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:17,119
and to create cor uh to correct the

999
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:19,599
budget document that has certain phrases

1000
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:21,680
in it about that we failed to do certain

1001
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,920
things when that we didn't fail to do

1002
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,440
anything we should be that should be

1003
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,440
corrected

1004
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,440
um last year we didn't fail to do

1005
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,760
something we've made choices informed

1006
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,599
choices we didn't that's how the

1007
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:37,920
decisions were made um future debt uh

1008
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:42,000
discuss discussion about the $25 million

1009
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:44,800
in future debt that is proposed.

1010
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,559
Uh and then after we adopt a balanced

1011
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,640
budget, then we can discuss whether to

1012
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:51,040
move this whether this separate fund is

1013
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:53,760
something that we want to discuss.

1014
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,040
That's kind of how I wanted to approach.

1015
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,599
I want to make sure that we're on the

1016
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,520
agenda. I think all of those would be in

1017
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:01,599
scope for discussion of approving this

1018
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,359
budget. So,

1019
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,680
don't believe we need to adjust the

1020
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:08,240
agenda at this time, but we can address

1021
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:11,119
those topics as we get to budget

1022
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:17,720
approvals. That's good.

1023
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:17,720
» Next. Um, so next would be

1024
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:23,200
uh the conflict of interest. Does anyone

1025
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,800
have a declaration of conflict of

1026
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,200
interest?

1027
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,800
» Um, I have a disclosure. So, uh, for the

1028
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,160
record, my spouse is employed by the

1029
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,920
city as a police officer because the

1030
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:34,319
budget includes compensation benefits

1031
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:38,920
for a city position. I'm announcing an

1032
00:52:34,319 --> 00:52:38,920
actual conflict under OS244120

1033
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:45,440
as amended by Senate Bill 983, Oregon

1034
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,960
Laws 2025, chapter 466. I may

1035
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,480
participate in discussion and vote on

1036
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,599
adoption of the local budget after

1037
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,599
making this disclosure.

1038
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:58,640
» Anybody else? That is if the committee

1039
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:00,720
approves. So we approve of her sitting

1040
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,920
here discussing that something and we

1041
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:04,920
don't. If she has to use

1042
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,839
» You saying you want us to censure her is

1043
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,000
there a motion?

1044
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:15,839
» I would make a motion to censure the

1045
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,000
mayor for her known and admitted

1046
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:24,000
confidence of duties.

1047
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:28,040
» I second. Okay. Uh we take a vote. Do

1048
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,040
you um

1049
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:34,160
would would each uh member please

1050
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,240
uh say yay if they're in favor of this

1051
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,720
motion?

1052
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:42,319
» Yay.

1053
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,520
» Two. And any against?

1054
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,800
» Nay.

1055
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:48,079
» Nay.

1056
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,839
» We have four nays.

1057
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:52,559
» Five. There's council presentation.

1058
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:55,040
» Okay. So I believe it fails.

1059
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:59,280
» Motion fails.

1060
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,280
» Okay. So um my uh opening comments.

1061
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:04,000
First I would like to apologize for the

1062
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,400
tone and remark I included in the Q&A

1063
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,079
compilation presented at the May 14

1064
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,920
budget committee meeting. It was

1065
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:12,640
unprofessional and does not reflect the

1066
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,200
standard I hold to myself.

1067
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,760
Secondly, I and the council have been

1068
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,319
challenged by the choice of words that I

1069
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,359
used in the budget message and in

1070
00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:25,119
presentation of the proposed budget. I

1071
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:27,040
would like to clarify to the budget

1072
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:29,839
committee and public that I

1073
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,319
misrepresented the city of St. Helens

1074
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:35,599
city council in my budget message when I

1075
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:38,000
stated the city council will will refer

1076
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:40,400
to the voters a police service fee on

1077
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,720
the November ballot. The fact is that

1078
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,640
the city council did not and has not

1079
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:47,920
indicated that they would refer a ballot

1080
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,920
measure in November, neither during nor

1081
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,599
outside of a public meeting of the

1082
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,400
council.

1083
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:57,119
Those are purely my words. I should have

1084
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,920
said if the budget committee approves of

1085
00:54:57,119 --> 00:55:02,400
this option, the city council will need

1086
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:05,400
to refer a police service fee to the

1087
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,400
voters.

1088
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:10,079
Secondly, there can be no changes to the

1089
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,559
proposed budget document, including the

1090
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:14,960
budget message after release to the B

1091
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:18,240
committee and the public. I will present

1092
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:20,240
staff revisions ahead of the ahead of

1093
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,920
committee discussions later in the

1094
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,520
agenda.

1095
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,800
Okay. And I'll turn it back over to you.

1096
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,400
» Thank you, Brian.

1097
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:31,920
» All right.

1098
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,880
Thank you. At this time, pursuant to

1099
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,119
OS221.770,

1100
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,839
I will open the public hearing in order

1101
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:41,839
to give the citizens of St. Helens the

1102
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:44,319
opportunity to comment on the use of

1103
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:50,119
state shared revenue funds in the city's

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00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:50,119
budget for fiscal year 2026 2027.

1105
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,319
» I I will now call on the budget officer

1106
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,280
to present the information regarding

1107
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:01,520
state shared revenues.

1108
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,720
City of St. Helen's budget resources

1109
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:07,119
includes receipt of Oregon state shared

1110
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:10,640
revenue. These revenues come from the

1111
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:13,839
bid share of liquer taxes, cigarette

1112
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:16,559
taxes, marijuana taxes, and gas tax. The

1113
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:18,400
city of St. Helens uses sh state shared

1114
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:21,040
revenues for maintenance of city-owned

1115
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:23,520
streets and sidewalks and for general

1116
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:27,680
services which include library, parks,

1117
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:30,240
recreation, and police.

1118
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,839
Thank you. I now invite the public to

1119
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:34,799
provide public comment about the

1120
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:36,799
proposed use of state revenue sharing.

1121
00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:38,799
Please limit your testimony to three

1122
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:41,119
minutes or less and focus your testimony

1123
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:44,119
on the proposed use of state revenue

1124
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:44,119
sharing.

1125
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:48,920
We have any public comment

1126
00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:56,160
» Brady perhaps. Yes. I'm glad that you're

1127
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,319
having this because you didn't do it

1128
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:00,720
properly last time and I'm glad you

1129
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:05,920
recognized that error and have corrected

1130
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:07,680
it. I do appreciate that. Um the uh I

1131
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,520
would say that we should not do it. We

1132
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,760
don't even have a real budget that been

1133
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,920
published. Gloria has said she's updated

1134
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,160
it. We've had a fake budget from the

1135
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,920
beginning. It's not on the website. It's

1136
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,760
not been made public. No one in the

1137
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,160
public can access that budget that

1138
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,720
supposedly is out there. I haven't seen

1139
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,559
it. I've looked for it and so how can I

1140
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,640
say that we should get revenue for this

1141
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,640
for a budget that we have not seen and

1142
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,119
this is a component of that budget

1143
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,559
without knowing how that's going how

1144
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,480
this money is going to affect our

1145
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:38,640
budget. I think that we can't accept it

1146
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,240
when we have fake numbers that have been

1147
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,760
on our budget since the very beginning

1148
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:48,000
of this budget process. Um I also been

1149
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,920
happy that um we have had uh multiple

1150
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,839
errors and admissions from our plan

1151
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,520
should I admitted that she's done that.

1152
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:55,280
I'm glad she's at least admitting her

1153
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,040
errors. That doesn't change with us if

1154
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,680
they were made and I don't know what the

1155
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,920
solution for that is. And I also

1156
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,520
disagree since we sent her vote. I think

1157
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,799
the matter should have been sent should

1158
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:10,040
not be participating.

1159
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:10,040
» Thank you.

1160
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,559
» Is this the only time for public

1161
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,119
comments?

1162
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,680
» No,

1163
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:22,079
» This is just for state shared revenue.

1164
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:26,200
And concerning that she will be

1165
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:26,200
following uh regular

1166
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:36,880
» It is on the agenda that that I have

1167
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:39,440
» What that we have public comment. Yes.

1168
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,559
» Yes. Another section of public comment

1169
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,799
for sure now

1170
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:47,200
» After the approval of minutes. That's

1171
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:50,200
what I'll be

1172
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,200
see.

1173
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:55,040
all the regularly scheduled public

1174
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,559
comments.

1175
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,680
» Okay. Are there any other public

1176
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:03,160
comments at this time on the state

1177
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,160
revenue share?

1178
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Okay.

1179
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:14,319
Hearing none,

1180
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,400
we'll close the public uh comment and

1181
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:18,079
» Public hearing.

1182
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,680
close the hearing. If there are no

1183
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:25,960
further comments, I will close the

1184
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,960
public hearing. The time is 6:49 p.m.

1185
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:32,400
All right, we'll move on to approving

1186
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,240
the minutes. Do any of the me any of the

1187
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:37,760
members uh that have reviewed the

1188
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:40,920
minutes have any concern?

1189
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,920
I do.

1190
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:46,520
Uh we've uh

1191
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,160
wrap minutes.

1192
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,319
Let me say

1193
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:26,079
» By Miss

1194
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:28,880
um

1195
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:31,880
» About the questions that were raised

1196
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,880
concerning

1197
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:37,960
the police budget and how it was that

1198
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,960
the

1199
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:49,160
how it was that the

1200
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,160
late service fee

1201
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,599
page seven of eight I think this

1202
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,680
» Do you have a correction to the minutes?

1203
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:05,760
Yeah, I just want to I just like to add

1204
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:08,240
to the minutes that it was a question

1205
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:10,720
submitted and this answer given by Miss

1206
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,720
Bush question. Who submitted the

1207
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,799
suggestion of changing the police budget

1208
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:19,640
to a separate fund?

1209
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,640
» Which uh sorry, which page are you on?

1210
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:28,760
It's on page seven under budget

1211
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:28,760
presentation number two the second.

1212
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,760
» Okay. Go ahead.

1213
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:39,040
» Yes. I just like to propose that there

1214
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,640
there's an addition to the minutes

1215
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:45,440
that the question was asked question who

1216
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,400
submitted the suggestion of changing the

1217
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,480
police budgeting to a separate fund and

1218
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,960
the answer was the suggestion was made

1219
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,799
by mayor Massie during a meeting with

1220
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,119
the city administrator, finance

1221
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:58,799
director, police chief and police

1222
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:00,640
lieutenant

1223
01:01:58,799 --> 01:02:02,960
like to have that question answer added

1224
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,359
to the minutes. See, for the record, the

1225
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,280
Q&A is attached to it, which spells it

1226
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:09,280
all out. So that statement

1227
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,960
» Q&A is attached to the

1228
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,119
» In the meeting packet from that Q&A is

1229
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:17,359
hidden is attached to it. It's part of

1230
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:19,280
the whole entire packet and your minutes

1231
01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:21,040
are summary minutes.

1232
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,400
» But if you want it spelled out, you can

1233
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,480
» Yeah, I want I want it spelled out in

1234
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,480
the minutes.

1235
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:29,280
I made that motion.

1236
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:31,280
» So this is part of the minute.

1237
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,520
» Yeah. Well, that will become part of

1238
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:36,559
tonight's meeting, but the meeting from

1239
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:40,240
the Q&A that Gloria read verbatim is not

1240
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:43,520
sold out in the minutes because the Q&A

1241
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:46,960
attached to the online packet.

1242
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,880
» The Q&A for the May 14 meeting will be

1243
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:51,359
attached to the May 14 minutes.

1244
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,319
» Why is it on?

1245
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:55,200
» Because these are summary minutes.

1246
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:56,799
These are summary.

1247
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,839
» Yeah. And I and the reason why I said

1248
01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:02,640
that is that in reading the summary, one

1249
01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:05,680
gets the impression that

1250
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,440
this was an internal thing that was

1251
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,880
reviewed between the administrator and

1252
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:14,240
finance and a and somebody and a

1253
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:16,559
consultant when the answer really is

1254
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,000
it's the mayor who came forward, met

1255
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:19,359
with the administrator, the finance

1256
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,000
director, police chief, and police

1257
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:24,240
lieutenant. And so anybody reading the

1258
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:27,039
draft minutes would not get a true

1259
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:28,559
picture of how the suggestion is made

1260
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,960
and they would have to go to these this

1261
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,880
attachment. So I think that the minutes

1262
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,760
the draft minutes as they're drafted are

1263
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,119
not accurate.

1264
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,640
» I think it's a great idea. I think you

1265
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,680
should put it in there. Personally, I

1266
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,119
think you should just add it to the

1267
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,359
minutes. I agree.

1268
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,920
» So

1269
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:42,880
» Yeah, I I I think it's great. Yeah, I

1270
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,400
think you should put it in there.

1271
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,039
» Okay. So we'll make those corrections to

1272
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,160
the minutes.

1273
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:50,000
» Well, should we vote or should we

1274
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,440
» Yeah. Well, you still have to

1275
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,480
» Well, we need a motion to approve the

1276
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,960
minutes as amended.

1277
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,000
» We we agree that as staff that we can

1278
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,760
make those.

1279
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,920
» So, let's make a formal. Does someone

1280
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,640
have a motion with the

1281
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,400
» Corrections?

1282
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,760
» Yes, I make a motion we approve the

1283
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,160
minutes with the

1284
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,079
» Correction that

1285
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,839
question who submitted the suggestion of

1286
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,839
changing the police budgeting to a

1287
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:16,160
separate fund. Answer. The suggestion

1288
01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:17,680
was made by Mayor Massie during a

1289
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,359
meeting with the city administrator,

1290
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,760
finance director, police chief, and

1291
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:25,400
police chief tenant

1292
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,400
be added to

1293
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,359
uh seven seven.

1294
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:36,000
» Yeah. And I'll second that.

1295
01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:37,039
» Okay. Uh all in favor say I.

1296
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,119
I.

1297
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:44,119
» All opposing say nay. None opposing

1298
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:44,119
passes.

1299
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,760
All right. So now we will move on to the

1300
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:58,240
public comment section. Community

1301
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,640
members who wish to please state your

1302
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,960
name for the record and observe the time

1303
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,039
limit of three minutes and focus your

1304
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,520
comments specifically on the city's

1305
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:12,079
proposed budget for fiscal year 2627.

1306
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:15,200
We refra we request that you refrain

1307
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:18,559
from personal attacks and instead focus

1308
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:23,000
on the budget

1309
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,000
with that. Is there any public comment?

1310
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:30,160
» I guess I'll start. So I'm Janelle

1311
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:32,640
Adams. Um I am a sister aunt daughter

1312
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:35,839
survivor of sexual assault and domestic

1313
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:39,039
violence and a um recovering criminal

1314
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:43,839
and addict. So, I just wanted to bring

1315
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:47,680
some attention to some of the

1316
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:49,680
um importance of safety and just some

1317
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,119
statistics that are pretty realistic.

1318
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,799
Just so you guys can have the

1319
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:56,480
information when you're making decisions

1320
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:58,319
when it's based on our um

1321
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,200
you know, our citizens and their safety

1322
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:03,839
and their well-being. I know for a fact

1323
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,920
that law enforcement's helped me be here

1324
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:07,760
where I'm at today. They have saved my

1325
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,520
life. They made me accountable for my

1326
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:14,720
recovery and it's continuing ongoing.

1327
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,440
And so um so based on the average of

1328
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:19,760
Department of Justice, Office of Justice

1329
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:23,039
Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics,

1330
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:27,119
National Crime Exclamation Survey of

1331
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:29,599
2020 to 20 24. Every one minute someone

1332
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:32,720
in the US is sexually assaulted. Every

1333
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:37,359
nine minutes that someone is a child.

1334
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:40,079
An estimated of 443,635

1335
01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:44,400
people aged 12 plus experience sexual

1336
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:46,799
violence um each year in the US.

1337
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:49,599
Child protective services substained or

1338
01:06:46,799 --> 01:06:51,920
found strong evidence that 63,000

1339
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:55,280
children a year were sexually assaulted.

1340
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,200
These are children or vulnerable. Um

1341
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,920
who's taking those reports? Who's

1342
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:02,400
helping them get to safety?

1343
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:05,760
our law enforcement.

1344
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:10,400
And so that's nationally. You want to

1345
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:12,559
talk about Columbia County, um they do a

1346
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:16,960
service delivery report and in their

1347
01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:19,039
2025 report, our local Columbia County

1348
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:21,200
child welfare

1349
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,799
had 883

1350
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:27,280
reports.

1351
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:29,839
58 of them were founded and 26 were um

1352
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,640
entered into substitute care, removed

1353
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:35,760
from their family and put in safety. Um

1354
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:39,359
every last one of those included a uh

1355
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:42,319
law enforcement investigation and report

1356
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:46,559
and a money center interviews most

1357
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:48,480
likely. So in Columbia County, I checked

1358
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:52,160
it twice. I checked it back in on the

1359
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,160
25th. you look at the jail log, um

1360
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,160
24.61%

1361
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:02,160
on May 25th of the inmates that are um

1362
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:04,720
were incarcerated were there for

1363
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:07,599
domestic violence, sexual assaults,

1364
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:09,440
stalking, strangulation.

1365
01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:12,000
Um that does not include the ones that

1366
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,640
are labeled as probation violations or

1367
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:17,600
holds or the ones the assaults that

1368
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:20,719
aren't labeled as DD.

1369
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:24,319
And on the 27th, I did the same check

1370
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:25,920
and it is 30.115%.

1371
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:30,000
So that's a I mean, when you're only

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talking 65 inmates, that's huge. And we

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:36,239
are um there's some that are about to

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01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:38,799
release that are that's just a snapshot

1375
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:42,239
of a small picture. You look at the

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01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,400
court dockets on May 27th,

1377
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:48,319
there was seven cases that were either

1378
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:51,759
DV or sexual assault. May 28th, two

1379
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:55,520
cases. May 29th, two cases. That's not

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01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:59,279
including the ones that are being um for

1381
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:02,319
uh initial court cases that are just

1382
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:04,560
being in for um pleading pleading and

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01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:06,400
stuff. So, according to the federal

1384
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,359
bureau evidence investigation, the

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:13,359
national incident based reporting,

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01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:16,000
98% of perpetrators walk free.

1387
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,199
I'm been doing this for almost 20 years.

1388
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,279
I'm telling you probably that's because

1389
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:23,759
the follow through and not having a um

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01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,759
law enforcement that can completely make

1391
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:28,400
them feel comfortable and trustworthy to

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01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:30,960
be able to do all this. You can see

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,799
» And this is national those numbers are

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01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:36,159
not ours. I don't really have that

1395
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:37,359
number for us. Um one in three victims

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01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:40,319
report sexual assault to law

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01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:43,199
enforcement. That's 310 out of every

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01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,640
thousand survivors. It's very low. If we

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01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,480
had access to more law enforcements and

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,199
able to report more, we pro and do

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01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:53,960
outreach with advocacy, we'd be getting

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01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:53,960
more of those. Um,

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:01,280
so I just

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01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,560
I could tell you um three minutes has

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,000
elapsed.

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,199
» That's good. We're done.

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01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:08,360
» Thank you very much.

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01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,360
» Thank you.

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01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,000
» That's the public comment. Please state

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,199
your name.

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01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,280
» I'm Jen Zukini, a citizens here in St.

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01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:19,120
Helens.

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01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,199
Okay. I'd like to talk about our

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01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:23,679
library, my favorite topic, the St.

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01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:26,719
Helens Public Library, our wonderful

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01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:31,040
library. I sincerely hope you will make

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01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:34,880
good on your promise to refund and uh

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01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:37,679
the library and make it whole. As you

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:40,560
indicated, made a motion on the 14th of

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01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:42,400
May. Um, I realize though that you

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,960
haven't worked with the numbers of the

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:48,239
budget yet. So that's why I'm still

1423
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:50,880
speaking in support of the library, but

1424
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:53,360
I have faith that you are going to do

1425
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:56,159
what you said. So I would like to

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:59,600
discuss specifically the library part-

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01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:03,360
timerrs and their jobs and the

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,920
retraction of the shin slip. So, it

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01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:10,000
might behoove you all to remember that

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:14,320
there's 26 combined years of amazing

1431
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:16,480
front desk service that these particular

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:20,480
staff members, there's three of them at

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01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:23,120
this time, provide. 26 combined years of

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01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:26,640
skilled, knowledgeable, professional,

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:29,679
dedicated, compassionate service that

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:33,920
these individuals, not just three

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01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:37,360
bodies, but three individuals provide to

1438
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,679
this community. And I'm wondering, do

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:44,159
you want to lose

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01:11:39,679 --> 01:11:47,600
all of that? Do you want to lose them?

1441
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:49,920
Could you lose all of that and them? All

1442
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,320
of that dedication, all those years of

1443
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,480
service, all that professionalism, could

1444
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:58,080
you lose that?

1445
01:11:54,480 --> 01:12:01,280
Well, I don't know. What if one of them

1446
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,880
or some of them or all of them were to

1447
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,600
say,

1448
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:09,440
you make the offer of taking away the

1449
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:12,000
pink slips? No thanks. Could you blame

1450
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:15,280
them? And the reason I'm asking you that

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01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,400
is because in my opinion, the city has

1452
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:21,040
jerked those three people around like

1453
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,320
puppets on steroids

1454
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:27,320
during this whole fiasco of a budgetary

1455
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,320
process.

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:33,199
Don't you think that? Do any of you

1457
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,880
think that? What do you think? Do you

1458
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,640
think

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01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,400
when you keep doing what you're doing,

1460
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:42,159
you keep getting what you're getting?

1461
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:45,440
And we've all heard that phrase before.

1462
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:47,679
So how about on the part of the city

1463
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:50,719
some deviation

1464
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:53,280
from the style that you have been using

1465
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:57,120
with your employees? How about some

1466
01:12:53,280 --> 01:13:00,880
improvement in the workplace culture

1467
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:03,840
with your people? The culture that you

1468
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:06,080
all in the city heads of the city

1469
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:08,159
create.

1470
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,640
So, what about maybe an act of

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01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:13,280
contrition?

1472
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,600
Uh, calling it an olive branch if that

1473
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:17,280
is more appropriate for you.

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01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:21,000
» Three minutes has elapsed.

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,000
» Ah, okay.

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01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,520
» Thank you.

1477
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,199
» Next public comment.

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,640
I'll just please jump on her for the

1479
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,840
» Sure. Please state your name for the

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01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,840
record.

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,840
» Perkins.

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:40,640
We do rely on the police to assist like

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01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,120
CPS medical visits. It does keep us safe

1484
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:46,159
as workers. I don't work for CPS. I work

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,679
for self-sufficiency on that side. So we

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01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:50,159
do

1487
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:51,679
to go out and check on the safety of

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01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:55,880
kids and something like that. So keep

1489
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:55,880
that in mind. Um

1490
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:59,840
she was talking about domestic violence.

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01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:03,120
She's only talking about the ones that

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01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:05,280
report. On average, takes about seven

1493
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:09,199
times for somebody to feel comfortable

1494
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:13,040
enough to report uh any kind of domestic

1495
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:14,080
violence or sexual assault. So,

1496
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,840
you're not really getting a real

1497
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,719
statistic on how many people are

1498
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:22,159
assaulted or domestic violence has

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01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:24,400
actually happened in the house. So,

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01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:24,960
» That's

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01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,920
Yeah.

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:29,600
» Thank you.

1503
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:32,080
has

1504
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:35,360
next.

1505
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,360
» You guys will go real quick.

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,640
» So, good afternoon, mayor, counselors,

1507
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,080
budget committee members, and members of

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,440
the community. For the record, my name

1509
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,120
is Brian Pixley, and I'm the Columbia

1510
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,400
County Sheriff, and I'm here tonight to

1511
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,320
speak about the very serious public

1512
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,719
safety implications of of the proposed

1513
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,320
cuts to the police department.

1514
01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:52,000
The proposal to eliminate roughly

1515
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,320
two-thirds of the police department is

1516
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,840
simply not is not simply a staffing

1517
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,679
reduction. It is a fundamental

1518
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,000
dismantling of the public safety, the

1519
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:01,760
largest city in Columbia County. The

1520
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,080
consequences of that decision will not

1521
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,520
stop at the city limits of St. Helens.

1522
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,440
They will ripple across the entire

1523
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,760
county and impact every law enforcement

1524
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:11,199
agency, every emergency responder, and

1525
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,960
most importantly, the citizens that we

1526
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:14,400
serve.

1527
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,080
The Sale Police Department is not an

1528
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,560
isolated agency operating independently

1529
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,159
from the rest of the county. Public

1530
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,480
safety in Columbia County functions as

1531
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:23,920
an interconnected system. St. Allen

1532
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:25,760
officers respond to violent crimes,

1533
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,400
domestic disturbances, mental health

1534
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,239
crisis, overdoses, traffic fatalities,

1535
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:32,800
and calls involving armed and dangerous

1536
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:34,480
individuals every single day. They have

1537
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,560
partners in regional investigations,

1538
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,239
emergency response operations, mutual

1539
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,000
aid requests, and major incident

1540
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,440
investigations. When you remove

1541
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,159
twothirds of that capability, the

1542
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:46,159
workload does not disappear. Crime does

1543
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,920
not disappear. Calls for service does

1544
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:50,159
not disappear, nor does the danger

1545
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,840
disappear. that simply shifts elsewhere

1546
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:53,520
onto the remaining officers, onto

1547
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,360
neighboring agencies, and ultimately

1548
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,120
onto the citizens themselves in the form

1549
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,880
of delayed response times, fewer

1550
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,800
investigations, and diminished public

1551
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,080
safety services.

1552
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,320
The Columbia County Sheriff's Office

1553
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,560
cannot absorb a collapse of police and

1554
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,000
services here in St. Helens without

1555
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,560
significant impacts to the rest of the

1556
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,600
county. We're already operating in an

1557
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,120
environment where law enforcement

1558
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,120
agencies across the state are struggling

1559
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,880
with staffing shortages, recruitment

1560
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,560
challenges,

1561
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,159
rising service demands, and complex

1562
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,800
criminal investigations and behavioral

1563
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:26,000
response. These cuts move forward. I'll

1564
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,000
skip that part for time sake.

1565
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,400
This is not fear mongering. It's

1566
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,840
unfortunately an operational reality. As

1567
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,840
sheriff, I have an obligation to speak

1568
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,080
honestly when I see a threat to the

1569
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,600
safety and stability of Columbia County.

1570
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,280
Public safety is not a luxury service

1571
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,920
that can simply be scaled back without

1572
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:44,239
consequence. It is a core responsibility

1573
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,159
of government. Citizens expect and

1574
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:47,840
deserve timely emergency responses,

1575
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:49,360
professional law enforcement services,

1576
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,840
and the ability to feel safe in their

1577
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,760
homes, business, schools, and public

1578
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,600
spaces. I want to acknowledge the men

1579
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,040
and women of Salem Police Department.

1580
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:58,320
These officers show up every day to

1581
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,800
serve the community they care about

1582
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,640
deeply. They work nights, days,

1583
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:05,280
holidays, and during moments of crisis

1584
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,640
that most people will never see. They

1585
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,480
carry tremendous responsibility on

1586
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,239
behalf of the city. Proposals of this

1587
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,080
magnitude affect not only operations but

1588
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:14,640
morale, retention, recruitment, and

1589
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:16,320
long-term viability.

1590
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,520
Budget decisions are never easy, and I

1591
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,120
recognize the difficult financial

1592
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,320
realities of local governments face

1593
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,719
because we're facing those same

1594
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:24,080
realities. But I would urge this council

1595
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:25,520
on budget committee to fully consider

1596
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,600
the long-term costs of dramatically

1597
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:30,400
reducing law enforcement services. Once

1598
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,159
experienced officers leaves,

1599
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:33,840
uh, once institutional knowledge

1600
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,120
disappears and once community trust

1601
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:38,080
erodess, rebuilding those capabilities

1602
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,080
is neither quick or in or inexpensive.

1603
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:42,800
Can I finish real quick or am I one

1604
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,000
citizens like Yeah, just the citizens of

1605
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,600
Sance deserve leadership that

1606
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,760
prioritizes stability, safety,

1607
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,120
responsibility, responsible planning. I

1608
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,120
strongly encourage you to pursue those

1609
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,960
solutions and preserve the core policing

1610
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,560
services and maintain the ability of the

1611
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,640
Sance Police Department to effectively

1612
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,440
serve this community. Thank you for your

1613
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,440
time.

1614
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:00,440
» Sure.

1615
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:07,360
» There next. Yes. Let's also have a

1616
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,719
public comments. Okay.

1617
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,560
» All right.

1618
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:12,800
» I'll try to do three minutes forward.

1619
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,239
» Yes. No problem at all.

1620
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,159
» And please remember to state your name.

1621
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:17,600
» Yes, I will. Uh, greetings, mayor, uh,

1622
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,120
city council, member of the single

1623
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,280
budget committee. My name is Chris

1624
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,719
Llewellyn and I am the I have the honor

1625
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,560
as serving the chief of police for the

1626
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:25,840
city of Scapus. And I want to thank you

1627
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,480
for allowing me the time to speak here

1628
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,440
tonight during your meeting. Today I'm

1629
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:30,880
here to discuss the important

1630
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:32,560
relationship that has developed between

1631
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,920
my department and my fellow officers

1632
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,560
that served at the St. Helens Police

1633
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,520
Department. Since my time here working

1634
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,199
here at Columbia County's law

1635
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:42,239
enforcement transferring from out of

1636
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:44,560
state started back in 2022, I've come to

1637
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:46,880
appreciate the inter agency cooperation

1638
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:49,600
partnerships and also his importance in

1639
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,440
helping support peace and justice not

1640
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,000
just in Scapus but also throughout

1641
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:55,360
Columbia County. The members of the St.

1642
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,440
Helens Police Department has proven to

1643
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,520
be truly inviable partners for us here

1644
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,960
at the Scapus Police Department. See how

1645
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,120
police officers have been there to back

1646
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,400
us up from simple traffic stops to

1647
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,640
having their detectives assist with

1648
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,719
investigating complex homicide cases

1649
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,640
within our jurisdiction

1650
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:12,800
and city since I have been employed here

1651
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,080
with our police department. Before my

1652
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,320
next statements, I want to first

1653
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,320
acknowledge that the citizens of St.

1654
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,440
Helen and entire nation are currently

1655
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,600
feeling the negative effects of

1656
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,679
inflation and rising prices from food to

1657
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:25,360
gasoline. But with that knowledge and

1658
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:27,280
understanding, I truly believe that is

1659
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,120
important to sustain and maintain a

1660
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,560
viable police force with appropriate

1661
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,080
staffing to meet the needs of amazing

1662
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:34,719
community members that call St. Helens

1663
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,080
and also Columbia County home. Having a

1664
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:38,080
well staff and well-trained police

1665
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,000
department is the foundation of any city

1666
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,159
or civilized society. Protect and

1667
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,920
provide service to needs of needs of its

1668
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:45,679
people. Without it, issues that are

1669
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,360
often not known or considered by the

1670
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:49,600
general public may begin to be more

1671
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:51,440
visible, transparent without any

1672
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,159
sufficient response and presence from

1673
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:55,679
law enforce these issues in a prompt

1674
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:57,360
manner.

1675
01:19:55,679 --> 01:19:59,360
Many of these issues are dealt with

1676
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,840
daily by officers in department stemming

1677
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,600
from thefts to domestic violence calls

1678
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,880
to experience to people experienced

1679
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,960
mental health issues needing police

1680
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,400
assistance. Without a proper police

1681
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,600
department that is adequately staffed to

1682
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,520
handle these demands of the population

1683
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,280
of St. violence issue like this will

1684
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,960
more than likely not remain contained

1685
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:18,080
may spread throughout the rest of the

1686
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:20,000
county causing a potential a potential

1687
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,080
domino effect with other jurisdictions

1688
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:24,000
on and have an increased need for more

1689
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,640
resources and possible personal

1690
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,560
requirements. In closing, I have heard

1691
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,840
many I have heard during my career so

1692
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,840
many make comments some I feel safe here

1693
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,000
so why do they need more police? Great

1694
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,480
question. However, I will say that this

1695
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,000
is often an unknown testament to the to

1696
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:42,000
the unseen hard work of the members of

1697
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,719
the law enforce who are there to respond

1698
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,159
in moments notice or sometime working

1699
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:48,239
working for hours on and behind the

1700
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,679
scenes drafting a search warrant to help

1701
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:52,560
protect the most vulnerable members of

1702
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:54,719
our society. And to continue this and

1703
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,560
appropriately and reasonably staff

1704
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:58,320
police department is a foundation that

1705
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:01,199
provides stability for safety,

1706
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:03,040
prosperity, and also peace to flourish.

1707
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:05,600
Once again, thank you for your time and

1708
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,760
wish all of you may

1709
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:10,760
have

1710
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,760
» Impressive

1711
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,320
for city recorder.

1712
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:17,719
» Thank you for your time.

1713
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,719
» I appreciate it.

1714
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,880
» All right. Next up.

1715
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:24,400
» All right. Good evening. Um,

1716
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,400
uh, Madame Mayor and members of the

1717
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,760
budget committee and city staff, uh,

1718
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,920
Chief Smith, officers, community, my

1719
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,560
name is Dan Tel. I am the, uh,

1720
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,239
association attorney for the St. Helens

1721
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:40,000
Police Association. I have worked for

1722
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:44,239
the men and women of your department for

1723
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:48,640
approximately five years. Um, in

1724
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:51,520
interest to transparency, I um serve as

1725
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:53,040
um a bargaining attorney for about 75

1726
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,480
police agencies in the state of Oregon

1727
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:59,199
and about 75 as soon as the umbrella

1728
01:21:56,480 --> 01:22:00,639
under which um I bargain for uh your

1729
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:03,120
police officers is through the Fraternal

1730
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:05,199
Order of Police, which is a national

1731
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,040
organization of about 400,000 police

1732
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:09,600
officers.

1733
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:11,280
Oregon is either 49th or 50th in the

1734
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,080
United States in staffing police

1735
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:16,560
officers uh per thousand residents. Four

1736
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,880
years ago, um about a year after I was

1737
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,280
hired to represent the St. Helms Police

1738
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,280
Association. I s stood in this room

1739
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:26,560
before the city council and I provided

1740
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:29,840
them a staffing study from 2012.

1741
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:32,320
And I I told the city council

1742
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,520
uh at that time, you were understaffed

1743
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,800
and you were going to have a staffing

1744
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:40,080
crisis because you were facing a glut of

1745
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:42,080
retirements and people leaving.

1746
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:45,360
Uh that was four years ago and the

1747
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:48,480
situation is worse. Um there are things

1748
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:51,199
that have been described in public uh

1749
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:54,960
about the association and their position

1750
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:57,600
with bargaining and their position with

1751
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:01,440
um their investment in in the trouble

1752
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:04,239
that the St. Helens uh budget faces. Um

1753
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:06,000
we actually hired our own person to look

1754
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:08,159
at the finances and agree with the city.

1755
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:11,040
They're not in good shape. Um we should

1756
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:12,639
be asking how we got to this point. Um,

1757
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:15,199
but there are some fundamental things

1758
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:17,600
that have been, in my opinion,

1759
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:19,360
intentionally and deceptively revealed

1760
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,600
to the city of St. Helens people about

1761
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,960
this budget process that are not true.

1762
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,800
And I'm going to address those this

1763
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:29,280
evening. Um, first of all, um, you

1764
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,960
cannot force the most senior people in

1765
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:34,320
your police department to retire because

1766
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:36,159
of Oregon labor laws. Whoever is, um,

1767
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:39,120
expressing that as an option to balance

1768
01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:41,120
the budget doesn't know the law.

1769
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,280
Number two,

1770
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,600
um, police officers in the state of

1771
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:48,320
Oregon are prohibited by the Oregon Rey

1772
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,719
statute from striking. So, there have

1773
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,800
been statements publicly released and

1774
01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:56,639
deceptively intentionally released that

1775
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:59,360
they've gone on strike. That is false.

1776
01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:01,520
They are prohibited from statute to

1777
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,280
doing that. There has also been

1778
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:06,000
statements revealed that the St. Helens

1779
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:08,080
police officers have demanded 8% for a

1780
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,679
cost of living increase. That is not

1781
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,239
true because I'm the one in charge of

1782
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:15,920
that or the officers. What we have told

1783
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:17,600
the city repeatedly is that our priority

1784
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:20,080
is to work within the budget and

1785
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,400
preserve the the low staffing that we

1786
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,280
have right now and preserve

1787
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,360
» Minutes has expired.

1788
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:28,000
» Uh the the face it as is.

1789
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,880
» I yield by time to my attorney. What's

1790
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,840
your name?

1791
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,639
» Uh Colton Edwards.

1792
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:34,400
» May I have his time too? Thank you.

1793
01:24:32,639 --> 01:24:36,239
» Mr. Fennel, can you address us please?

1794
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:38,159
You're looking that way. I'll address

1795
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:39,520
the public and the staff and so I've

1796
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:41,840
been turning the whole time and I will

1797
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,600
continue to do so. Okay.

1798
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:46,560
» Reset on the

1799
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:50,480
» So we have not requested 8%. We have

1800
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:52,719
requested to preserve our staff that we

1801
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:56,400
have now in our association. We have 15

1802
01:24:52,719 --> 01:25:00,000
people and we have told the city that we

1803
01:24:56,400 --> 01:25:02,159
are prepared to save that position. We

1804
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,120
will take

1805
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,920
potentially a 0% cost of living increase

1806
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:11,280
to save our current staffing and we are

1807
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:14,080
waiting for the city to confirm if they

1808
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,679
can do that so we can save one of our

1809
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:18,880
members.

1810
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:21,600
In the last 10 years um and this comes

1811
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,440
from our most senior officer. The city

1812
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,560
of St. Helens has been fully staffed for

1813
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:29,679
six weeks in that period of time. And

1814
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:32,159
finally, before this committee votes to

1815
01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:34,320
gut its police department, I want you to

1816
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:36,880
consider this.

1817
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,679
Based on my bargaining experience and

1818
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:43,280
based on requests for information in

1819
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:48,239
bargaining police departments, the cost

1820
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:51,360
to hire, train, outfit, send to the

1821
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:53,199
academy, go through field training is

1822
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,600
$150,000

1823
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:58,080
per sworn officer.

1824
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,760
So, you need to think about the lost

1825
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,400
experience and you need to think about

1826
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,080
the future indebtedness that this city

1827
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:07,920
will not be able to afford to restaff

1828
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:10,159
its police department if it guts it. So,

1829
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:12,639
um don't believe what you read on the

1830
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:18,480
internet or on Facebook. I'm here to

1831
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:20,639
point out the facts and um please do not

1832
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:22,239
continue to dismantle this department on

1833
01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:24,080
behalf of its employees. And I know one

1834
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:25,520
of our employees who is a city resident

1835
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,920
would like to speak to you personally

1836
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:30,000
because his job is on the chopping box

1837
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:34,639
and I think you should hear from him who

1838
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:37,880
he's here with his wife before you vote.

1839
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:37,880
» Thank you.

1840
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:46,159
All right. Um please please remember to

1841
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:47,840
state your name, but go ahead.

1842
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:50,960
» Good evening mayor and members of the

1843
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,320
city council. My name is Cecilia and I'm

1844
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,320
here today because I love

1845
01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:00,000
me and my family's up there and brought

1846
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,880
back stuff

1847
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:06,000
and I used to

1848
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,159
do every single go to the library. You

1849
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,880
don't only visit the library because of

1850
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:13,040
books, but also because of the cool

1851
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,840
programs like maker space and petting

1852
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:19,440
suits and amazing librarians like Jan,

1853
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:21,920
Nicole, Dan, and Michelle. And there are

1854
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:26,880
so many other people. I can't possibly

1855
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:29,679
fit all of them on a couple of pages.

1856
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:31,920
We've been losing the programs and we've

1857
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:34,639
been losing the library and we've been

1858
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:38,239
losing the danger.

1859
01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:41,040
The worst of all is it's the law. We're

1860
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:43,760
going to lose our full library. And

1861
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:46,400
losing a library

1862
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:48,719
doesn't make a happy booking community

1863
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:51,280
loving city. It meets a sad city with

1864
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:54,000
memories of a lovely library that was

1865
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:55,920
there but got slowly shut down. I don't

1866
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,520
think that's what you want or anyone

1867
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,040
wants for our city. Thank you for

1868
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:02,040
listening.

1869
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,040
» Yes.

1870
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:12,960
Thank you.

1871
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:15,520
» Um, I wrote something, but I just want

1872
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:17,360
to start off by saying

1873
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,360
» My name is Lindsay Price. That's what I

1874
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:22,400
want to start off by saying.

1875
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:26,639
» Um, and I'm a City of St. Helens

1876
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:30,000
resident and um, you guys, it is so

1877
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:33,760
asinine to think that we have a budget

1878
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:36,719
structured in a way that pits

1879
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:40,880
departments against each other. It's

1880
01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:43,600
also so hard to imagine that we wouldn't

1881
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:46,639
get a library fully staffed back until

1882
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:48,880
2031. I don't know about you, but um my

1883
01:28:46,639 --> 01:28:52,480
kids are going to be teenagers by then.

1884
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:56,080
So, that's like a really large

1885
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:59,679
percentage of their childhood. Also, I

1886
01:28:56,080 --> 01:29:03,520
live on a street in this town that has

1887
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:09,000
frequent police activity. Um,

1888
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:09,000
and it's usually not me. So,

1889
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:16,000
» I just want to say first and foremost

1890
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:20,560
that like I love every single library

1891
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:24,880
staff. They have been a community of

1892
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:28,480
generous, loving people who care handson

1893
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:31,920
in this community for these people that

1894
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:34,800
are lower income, medium income. People

1895
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,800
who like our family, homeschool, um

1896
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,639
people who need after a place to go

1897
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,800
after school, people who need a place to

1898
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:43,920
go when it's hot and they don't have air

1899
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:47,199
conditioning. This is a integral part of

1900
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:51,600
community as are police officers. So the

1901
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:53,920
idea that we could be losing an officer

1902
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:58,400
who has a family and we can be losing

1903
01:29:53,920 --> 01:30:02,239
staff who I want to be very clear. It

1904
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:05,120
costs a lot of money to uh train and

1905
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:08,239
employ police staff. You're not going to

1906
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:10,400
get that money back by laying off three

1907
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:13,280
people who are part-time who paid for

1908
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:16,400
their own education. And that is not a

1909
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:20,400
slight. That is just facts. It's like if

1910
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:24,880
I said, "I am in major debt, so I'm

1911
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:27,840
going to try to adjust my Wi-Fi bill."

1912
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:30,800
That's what that's like. Um, I just

1913
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:33,920
think it's really scary to look at this

1914
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:36,239
budget, to look at, um,

1915
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:38,159
to hear the rumors, which could be

1916
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:40,880
misinformation or it could be very much

1917
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:43,199
fact. We have a history in this town of

1918
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:46,320
mismanaging funds. And that's a really

1919
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:47,840
nice way of putting it. $150,000 here,

1920
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,000
$87,000

1921
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:52,000
there, and where does it go, and what's

1922
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,679
happened to it? These are our tax

1923
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,880
dollars. My husband and I work

1924
01:30:53,679 --> 01:31:00,000
tirelessly. He gets off work and goes to

1925
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:02,400
work. He gets off work and I go to work

1926
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,320
and we're barely paying the bills and

1927
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:06,960
we're feeding our kids and we're working

1928
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:08,560
hard and we're doing everything we can.

1929
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,159
So,

1930
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,679
I just think there has to be another

1931
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:14,920
way.

1932
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:14,920
Thank you.

1933
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:21,840
» Board say your name.

1934
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:24,320
» My name's Sefue Mike Mather.

1935
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:27,040
Um, I just want to address where I feel

1936
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:29,120
the budget's fallen short with most

1937
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:32,000
departments. I've been uh running a

1938
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:35,120
martial arts academy since 1992. I've

1939
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:36,800
worked with numerous agencies

1940
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:39,440
uh around the United States. I've worked

1941
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:44,080
with the government, military for many

1942
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:46,320
years. And one thing that I see a common

1943
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:52,080
um thing in the budget is they all lot

1944
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:54,400
for eight uh 8 hours a year of

1945
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:57,920
continuous head. Well, how that's

1946
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,760
written out, that can just be uh

1947
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,679
um

1948
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,880
uh shooting on the range, but it isn't

1949
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:09,199
self-defense tactics. It isn't it isn't

1950
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:11,600
uh working with um

1951
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:13,600
live situational training. It isn't

1952
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:16,719
working with hands-on. It isn't working

1953
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:19,920
with uh the whatif factor of dealing

1954
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:21,840
with multiple asalants. And so I feel if

1955
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:24,800
you guys are considering the budget, you

1956
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,719
guys need to uh put that in there so

1957
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,320
they get adequate training because it

1958
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:31,199
should be like brushing your teeth a

1959
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:33,760
habit. when you guys, you know, nobody

1960
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:35,440
in here is usually dealing with life or

1961
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,480
death situations. Every time they go out

1962
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:38,800
the door, they don't know if they're

1963
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:40,320
making it home. I mean, how many of you

1964
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:42,639
guys have your job to where you know

1965
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:45,199
you're going to go home in 8 hours? And

1966
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:47,199
how many of these guys don't?

1967
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:49,679
So, if you're only dealing with eight

1968
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:51,360
hours of training a year, what do you

1969
01:32:49,679 --> 01:32:54,159
think they're going to remember six

1970
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:56,080
months from that training?

1971
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:58,000
So, I just want you guys to put that in

1972
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,920
perspective. When you're thinking about

1973
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,239
the budget, think about that as part of

1974
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:04,880
the budget because that's what's going

1975
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:06,159
to keep you safe. And that's all I got

1976
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:09,320
to say.

1977
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:09,320
» Thank you.

1978
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:15,440
» Come on up. There's your name.

1979
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:19,679
» Hello everyone. My name is Zaro Medina.

1980
01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:22,480
I'm a husband uh and I'm soon to be

1981
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:24,480
father. My wife is here or you know

1982
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:29,040
she's pregnant a couple months pregnant.

1983
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:30,960
Um, so I am the employee within the

1984
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:34,639
police department that is facing layoff.

1985
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:36,960
I have my notice uh June 21st, but I

1986
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:38,560
want to talk about why Oh, and I'm the

1987
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,400
code enforcement officer for the for the

1988
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:44,239
police department. I want to talk about

1989
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:46,320
why uh my position being cut is really

1990
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:49,440
going to impact

1991
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,120
the city majorly and on top of that it's

1992
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:52,639
going to affect the police officers

1993
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,360
because they will have to be the ones

1994
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:58,000
responsible taking those calls. I want

1995
01:33:55,360 --> 01:34:00,400
to say that I take about just just so

1996
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,080
far this year I've taken over 500 calls

1997
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:05,199
for service.

1998
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:07,440
you and if

1999
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:09,040
if I'm gone, then they're gonna have to

2000
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,560
take it. But they're already swamped.

2001
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,480
They have so many calls to take, you

2002
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:14,320
know, throughout the days and and I see

2003
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:16,480
it. I see it daily. Like they're

2004
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:19,120
swamped. They have too many reports and

2005
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:20,800
calls that come up. So, but I want to

2006
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,480
also talk about the duties that I do.

2007
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:25,040
So, I do the animal control for the

2008
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:27,040
city. I do I deal with like, you know,

2009
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:28,560
dogs at large that are abused,

2010
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,040
neglected,

2011
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:33,199
uh, and dog attacks. Dog attacks are one

2012
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,880
of the things that have been primarily

2013
01:34:33,199 --> 01:34:37,440
occurring in the city a lot more often

2014
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,960
now. I don't know why, but dog attacks

2015
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:41,920
just keep happening. Maybe it's the

2016
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:44,320
water. I don't know. Um I deal with all

2017
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:47,600
the junk vehicles, you know, on, you

2018
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:49,199
know, city streets. So, like if if you

2019
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,760
let that accumulate, we're going to have

2020
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:55,280
a city that looks like a city that I

2021
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:57,199
don't want to name. Um and when you have

2022
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:58,960
that kind of stuff, nobody's want going

2023
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:01,920
to want to live here. when you see a

2024
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:04,800
street filled with junk uh and you start

2025
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:08,800
seeing like you know vermin, rats, other

2026
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:10,639
sorts of uh things nuisances that that

2027
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,199
is just going to create a public hazard.

2028
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:14,800
And another thing too is um my wife

2029
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:16,960
works for the public health department.

2030
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,280
I I work with them all the time. They

2031
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:22,880
send me emails about apartment complexes

2032
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:24,719
with like uh bed bugs, brats, and

2033
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,719
somebody's got to take those calls.

2034
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:28,480
That's me. the police officers don't

2035
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:30,000
have the time to take those calls.

2036
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:33,120
You're only going to be adding more

2037
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,400
calls for them. And you know, if if they

2038
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,760
can't take it, what are the people going

2039
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:38,239
to how are they going to react? They're

2040
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:39,600
going to be mad. I mean, I I think, you

2041
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:41,600
know, a lot of people have voiced their

2042
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,239
opinion recently about losing code

2043
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:46,880
enforcement. Um, and then, you know, I

2044
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:49,920
also deal with the homeless population.

2045
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:52,239
Um, I I guide them. I I send them to

2046
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,480
services if they can get some help um or

2047
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:57,120
direct them, you know, where they need

2048
01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:59,760
to go. Um and then, you know, on top of

2049
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:03,120
that, uh I a lot of livability issues. I

2050
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:06,639
got homes currently dealing with rats, a

2051
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:08,400
lot of rats. Um if you if I'm gone,

2052
01:36:06,639 --> 01:36:09,760
well, okay, good luck city. Like, you're

2053
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,440
going to have a rat problem. You're

2054
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:15,040
going to have the antivirus here

2055
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:18,719
probably. I mean, it's it's true. like

2056
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:21,520
you know just smelling inhaling the rat

2057
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:24,320
poop is enough to get the antivirus and

2058
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:26,080
if if you know uh the antivirus has an

2059
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:29,760
incubation period that's like between 3

2060
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:31,600
to 8 weeks so you won't even know right

2061
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:34,000
» Um that you you're going to be sick with

2062
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,679
a pretty deadly virus anyway so like I

2063
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:37,679
said a lot of my things liveability and

2064
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:41,320
you're just going to you know bring more

2065
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:41,320
crime too as well

2066
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,040
I think you're now.

2067
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:53,600
» I'm Reed. I'm a resident of the city of

2068
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:55,600
St. Helens. Um, I'm also elected to the

2069
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,000
St. Helens School Board. I'm here

2070
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:59,440
speaking as a citizen, not with the

2071
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,840
school board. Have nothing to do with

2072
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:03,760
that. Seeing my comments are a little

2073
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:06,000
bit about my background. I worked on the

2074
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:08,480
road as a police officer for 14 years in

2075
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,960
a in a town just a little bit smaller

2076
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:13,760
than this one. We had two deputies or

2077
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:16,239
two officers working at night and we had

2078
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:17,600
one detective. Um, that detective worked

2079
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:20,320
during the day. I worked the night

2080
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,480
shift. I handled all the stuff that a

2081
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,880
detective had to do. I wrote reports,

2082
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:28,560
passed along. I had to be interrupted

2083
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:30,480
and respond back out to calls. Um, the

2084
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:33,760
city here

2085
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:35,440
has uh our other offices, our front

2086
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:37,920
office was always staffed 24 hours a

2087
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:39,520
day. You victims could run race into the

2088
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,360
office. the doors could be locked and

2089
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:43,440
then they could be brought in and

2090
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:45,199
protected from what was going on that

2091
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:47,440
brought them there. Um, that's

2092
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:49,600
important. Code enforcement's important.

2093
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:50,960
Um, got code enforcement during the day.

2094
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,560
I had to take care of that at night

2095
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,560
myself. That took me away from doing all

2096
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,600
the other calls for service. Um,

2097
01:37:54,560 --> 01:38:01,199
dropping calls and running. Uh, the city

2098
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:03,440
here, uh, we got to support the, we have

2099
01:38:01,199 --> 01:38:05,199
to support the police. We need to have,

2100
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:06,480
uh, code enforcement. We need to have

2101
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:10,560
somebody at the front door of the new

2102
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:12,719
police station 24 hours a day. Um uh I

2103
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,880
think evidence texts, you know, we need

2104
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:16,320
we need full-time evidence texts. Um

2105
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,040
it's so important to keep the chain of

2106
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:21,360
custody for evidence so that the victims

2107
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:23,119
of crimes can be prosecuted or, you

2108
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,639
know, their cases can be prosecuted and

2109
01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:28,000
people can be found guilty that

2110
01:38:24,639 --> 01:38:30,480
assaulted them. Um it's really important

2111
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,679
that we do that. Um that's all I really

2112
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:34,920
had to say. Thank you.

2113
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:34,920
» Thank you.

2114
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:48,840
There another public comment this time.

2115
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:48,840
» I saw three people at the same time.

2116
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,719
» My name is Napole Woodruff and I'm here

2117
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:58,960
speaking as a representative of ASP

2118
01:38:56,719 --> 01:39:00,960
level 1789

2119
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,960
that works at the city of St. Helens.

2120
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,119
Um, our statement is just a little bit

2121
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:09,199
over the three minutes. So, please, if

2122
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:11,920
you'll just I'll go as quick as I can.

2123
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:14,239
Um, a portion of our membership

2124
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,520
continues to be impacted by the proposed

2125
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:18,080
layoffs and furlows as part of the

2126
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:19,600
city's current budget proposal.

2127
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,960
We are concerned that the message we're

2128
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,560
hearing from the city is much different

2129
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,880
or contradicts what's being said during

2130
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:26,400
the budget meetings. Um it was stated at

2131
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,400
the last budget committee meeting that

2132
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:30,400
there was wiggle room in the budget to

2133
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,920
make changes, but we were told a week

2134
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,920
later by management and city labor

2135
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:37,040
attorney that the um city would be at a

2136
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:39,119
1% rever reserve fund deficit with the

2137
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,800
budget as it was proposed. This was

2138
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:42,480
after we were previously told that the

2139
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:44,639
city would be able to maintain a 10 to

2140
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:46,800
15% general fund reserves taking into

2141
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:50,159
account the general fund fee and the 911

2142
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:52,719
911 levy not passing.

2143
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:55,280
You all were told the May 7th meeting

2144
01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:57,199
that furls were a done deal. ASME has

2145
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,960
demanded to bargain over the impacts to

2146
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:01,600
furlows and an agreement has not yet

2147
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:04,000
been reached. We have been told that the

2148
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,840
city's financial uh situation is dire

2149
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,159
and the money that the city will save by

2150
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:10,080
furlowing ASME members is the difference

2151
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:12,560
between more layoffs or retaining the

2152
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:14,400
city staff. Meanwhile, the city has

2153
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,480
removed non-ASME members from the

2154
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:18,480
proposed furlow list and has proposed

2155
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:20,080
budgetary line items for many non-dire

2156
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:21,840
expenditures.

2157
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:24,800
You have been told that furlows will

2158
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:26,080
last five years when we uh proposed an

2159
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,560
agreement with the city that would last

2160
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:30,159
one fiscal year. We were simultaneously

2161
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:32,000
told that furloss were only meant to be

2162
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:33,600
temporary in nature while receiving a

2163
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,440
counter proposal that would potentially

2164
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:37,040
keep fur

2165
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:38,880
contract.

2166
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:41,199
We don't understand why what's being

2167
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,639
said at these meetings contrasts so so

2168
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:45,920
differently with what our membership is

2169
01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:47,360
being told. Uh we are deeply concerned.

2170
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,920
The way these decisions are being

2171
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:51,760
handled has been extremely haphazard.

2172
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,639
The morale of our membership is at an

2173
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:56,880
all-time low. Um, we are all real

2174
01:40:54,639 --> 01:40:58,639
people. We have rural workloads and

2175
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,639
lives that are deeply impacted by the

2176
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:03,119
decisions and everchanging story that

2177
01:41:00,639 --> 01:41:05,040
we're being told from week to week.

2178
01:41:03,119 --> 01:41:06,639
While people have talked about city

2179
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:08,639
departments having knife fights for

2180
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:10,639
funding each year, we have quietly

2181
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:12,960
watched as the decision makers proposed

2182
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:14,560
a budget that you or to you that

2183
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:19,000
effectively forces staff to plead their

2184
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,000
case as to why they deserve to exist.

2185
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:24,080
And I'm not sure if you guys are aware,

2186
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:25,760
but we're no longer open full-time to

2187
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,360
customers in the main lobby at city

2188
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,280
hall.

2189
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:31,199
They've had to close in order to address

2190
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,719
staffing shortages and functionality

2191
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:36,400
throughout the city. is rapidly

2192
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:39,040
deolving. Staffing margins are so thin

2193
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:41,440
that we had to close an entire building

2194
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:43,920
to the public because one person, one

2195
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:47,360
person took a position elsewhere after

2196
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:49,440
receiving a layoff notice from the city.

2197
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:50,880
We're finally at a breaking point. We've

2198
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:52,480
gone for years with people leaving and

2199
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:54,560
the city not replacing them in order to

2200
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:56,560
save money. We have faced multiple

2201
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,719
rounds of cuts and now as of June 21st,

2202
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,080
we are facing additional cuts. we will

2203
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,679
not be able to function and the

2204
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,600
community is going to be very upset with

2205
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,880
those impacts.

2206
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,880
The people who will feel the brunt of

2207
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,560
the community's very reasonable anger is

2208
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:11,360
going to be the staff that shows up each

2209
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:14,560
and every day to serve our customers

2210
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:16,320
with no support, no information, no

2211
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:18,960
resources for management to provide the

2212
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,320
services that our citizens need. Our

2213
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,480
membership feels like we are being used

2214
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:24,159
as pawns in a game. We are being used

2215
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:26,800
like play things and inadimate resources

2216
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:28,239
in a political funding war. We're tired

2217
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:31,119
of this.

2218
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:32,719
We are people. We are dedicated staff

2219
01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:34,400
that quietly provides the day-to-day

2220
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:36,639
services this community relies on to

2221
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,239
function. We are the ones who make sure

2222
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:39,760
that the contractor gets the answers

2223
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:42,000
that he or she needs to keep a project

2224
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:43,600
moving forward. We are the ones that

2225
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,280
connect vulnerable citizens with the

2226
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,840
resources they need in order to stand on

2227
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:49,199
their own two feet. We are the ones who

2228
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:50,719
business owners reach out to when they

2229
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:53,360
need question answered and haven't been

2230
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:56,560
able to get a hold of anyone else.

2231
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:59,040
We are the ones who get yelled at when

2232
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:01,040
the decisions that are made in this room

2233
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,960
impact the daily lives of our community

2234
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,639
members.

2235
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,239
We're the ones who pick up the pieces,

2236
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:09,679
try to make things work with duct tape

2237
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:11,199
and a glue stick, sometimes literally

2238
01:43:09,679 --> 01:43:12,639
to ensure that service disruptions are

2239
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:14,159
as minimal as possible when things go

2240
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:16,000
sideways.

2241
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:17,520
And we respectfully ask to be treated

2242
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,199
with the same dignity and respect that

2243
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,719
we try to bring to our jobs and to the

2244
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:23,840
residents and community that we serve

2245
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:23,840
each and every day.

2246
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,520
Jeremy

2247
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:36,480
» Ask me

2248
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:36,960
» What's that

2249
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:39,440
» Union

2250
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,360
» It's our union organization for the city

2251
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:44,239
employees

2252
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:46,560
» American federation of state

2253
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:48,880
» County municipal employees

2254
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:51,040
» All city employees

2255
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:53,520
» All city employees

2256
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,520
all represent

2257
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:03,040
Hey, uh there were at least a few people

2258
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:06,440
that I think were interested come

2259
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:06,440
forward and

2260
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:15,040
» Read my notes off my phone.

2261
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,600
» Just please give us your name. Don't

2262
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:17,920
forget.

2263
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,440
» Yep. My name is Michelle Kermit and I'm

2264
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:21,679
one of the part-time library assistants

2265
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:23,600
that was laid off in April. A lot of

2266
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:25,360
people are happy and optimistic about

2267
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:28,400
the budget committee's desire to see the

2268
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:30,880
library and wreck made whole. Some

2269
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:32,960
people express cautious optimism, but I

2270
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:36,239
am leaning very heavily into the caution

2271
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:39,119
and very little optimism. Why? Because

2272
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:41,360
while budget season is tense every year,

2273
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:43,600
this year the message and the goalposts

2274
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:46,800
have changed over and over again since

2275
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:49,119
January. In my 10 years with the city, I

2276
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:52,000
have never feared being laid off. Lean

2277
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:54,000
times, yes. cutting back. Yes, even when

2278
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:56,480
furloss were announced as a possibility,

2279
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:58,239
I thought yes, we'll get through this.

2280
01:44:56,480 --> 01:45:00,000
Then when the city decided to lay off

2281
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:02,639
all part-time employees, I felt thrown

2282
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,679
under a bus. The reality is that we are

2283
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:07,520
just a drop in the bucket. Part-time, no

2284
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:10,159
benefits.

2285
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:12,080
It has been chaos for 5 months, not just

2286
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:14,239
for me personally, but for the library's

2287
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:16,239
patrons and the crucial services we

2288
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:18,800
offer them, but also for the citizens of

2289
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:20,719
St. Helens other city departments and

2290
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:23,600
the furled and laid-off staff in those

2291
01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:25,440
departments. I was laid off and I felt

2292
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:28,159
all of the things a person who loves and

2293
01:45:25,440 --> 01:45:30,639
is dedicated to their job. Anger,

2294
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:33,199
sadness, and worry for this community.

2295
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:35,119
And I got to work securing my future.

2296
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:37,119
I've applied for four jobs in other

2297
01:45:35,119 --> 01:45:39,280
communities. I have interviewed for two.

2298
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:41,360
I have an another interview scheduled

2299
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:43,040
and I've been offered a position. I was

2300
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:45,280
beginning to see a different trae

2301
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:48,000
trajectory for my life. And now there's

2302
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:50,159
a potential to stay. And I have a few

2303
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:52,560
questions. What kind of stability does

2304
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:54,719
this budget plan offer? If I stay, will

2305
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,960
be I be laid off in December or next

2306
01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:59,520
budget season? What are you going to do

2307
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:03,119
to stop this merrygoround? There's been

2308
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:05,360
so much chaos. Oh, I think I copied that

2309
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:07,600
sentence. Sorry. So, while I'm committed

2310
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:10,159
to this community, I've lost faith in

2311
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:12,159
the city as a reliable partner. I will

2312
01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:13,920
stay if I can. So, what is the city

2313
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:18,199
going to be doing to make sure that I am

2314
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:18,199
making a wise decision for myself?

2315
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:28,960
» There any additional public comment?

2316
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:30,480
» Go ahead. Go ahead. Feel free.

2317
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:33,119
» Um,

2318
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:36,480
my name is Tony Morgan. I'm a St. Helens

2319
01:46:33,119 --> 01:46:38,320
resident. Um, I'm just going to kind of

2320
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:39,520
off the cuff here. Um, there were some

2321
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:43,199
things that I thought were interesting

2322
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:45,280
that Cheryl Pixley said, um, about

2323
01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:47,440
experience and how you can't regain

2324
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:49,119
those things. And I think that point

2325
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:51,199
needs to be made that those things don't

2326
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:53,920
just apply to the police office or the

2327
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:56,639
the police department. Those apply to

2328
01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:00,400
the city planners office, um, parks and

2329
01:46:56,639 --> 01:47:03,600
wreck, the library. Like

2330
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:05,840
if you start gutting departments,

2331
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:10,159
you're losing

2332
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:12,239
you're losing all the experience and

2333
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:15,760
you're you're basically eliminating the

2334
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:17,040
functionality of those departments. So

2335
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,119
there there's a lot of like this

2336
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:24,679
department versus this department. And I

2337
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:24,679
think what is important to look at is

2338
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:30,960
how much how do I say this? There are

2339
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:33,199
some departments that you can take some

2340
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,639
money from and they will still function

2341
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:36,320
and there are other departments that you

2342
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:39,920
can take that same amount from and they

2343
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:41,920
cease to exist. I think that really need

2344
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:43,760
to look at

2345
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:46,000
and this point has been made before. If

2346
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:48,000
you start doing things like cutting the

2347
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:50,560
library or city planning, it's like

2348
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:52,159
you're you're eliminating departments or

2349
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:55,440
you're you're basically rendering those

2350
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,920
non-functional. Um

2351
01:47:55,440 --> 01:48:00,480
whereas there's other departments

2352
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:03,040
that can take the hit. And I think while

2353
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:06,320
we're talking about the whole point is

2354
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:08,080
budget, right?

2355
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,440
We're not magically bringing money from

2356
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,360
somewhere else. Like we have to work

2357
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:13,760
with the money that there is. And so I

2358
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:15,920
think you have to look at where you can

2359
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,280
take that money away and still function.

2360
01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,880
And I know that everybody thinks that

2361
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:22,480
they need to function at maximum

2362
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:24,719
capacity, but that's just not possible,

2363
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:27,760
right? You can't you can't make money

2364
01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:30,480
out of nothing. Um anyway, I don't know

2365
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:32,320
if I said that exactly as clear as I

2366
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:34,480
wanted to. The other point is we were

2367
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:36,560
all here at the other I'm not a holdist

2368
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:39,840
obviously. Um, a lot of us were here at

2369
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:41,280
the last budget meeting and um, I'm just

2370
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:43,440
saying that we'd like to hold you to the

2371
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,400
promises that were made there. So, thank

2372
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:47,639
you.

2373
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,639
» Thank you.

2374
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:54,239
» Candace Crawford, city halls resident.

2375
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:58,159
Um, I also hope you guys keep the

2376
01:48:54,239 --> 01:49:01,840
promises to fund the library department.

2377
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:03,920
Um, I also don't like the pitting like

2378
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:08,560
the police department against all these

2379
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:10,159
other departments. It feels like

2380
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:13,040
you're saying that we don't care about

2381
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:14,800
police or safety or security and that's

2382
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:17,360
not true at all. Like I have family

2383
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:20,880
members that are also domestic abuse

2384
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:24,320
survivors. So, um I don't think that's

2385
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:25,760
the case. I think it's just like

2386
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:28,320
finding a budget that fits for

2387
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:32,400
everybody. So, I just want to say I hope

2388
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:34,639
you guys do that and and also like um

2389
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:36,719
try not to like you know because it's

2390
01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:38,639
going to happen every single year. I

2391
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:43,360
hope that you guys keep it in mind not

2392
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:46,239
to send layoff notices ahead of time.

2393
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:47,760
Maybe you can

2394
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:49,360
keep a budget that works for every

2395
01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:52,920
single year so that people don't have to

2396
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,920
worry about their jobs.

2397
01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:56,920
» Thank you.

2398
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:04,639
Is there

2399
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:07,360
another public comment?

2400
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:08,639
» Um, Robin Husky, City of St. Helens. I

2401
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,320
have attended or listened to every

2402
01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:12,560
budget meeting for the past four years.

2403
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:14,800
Issues we are having have been presented

2404
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,239
and caution provided by Gloria for as

2405
01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:18,080
long as we she's been with us. We

2406
01:50:16,239 --> 01:50:19,440
continue to overspend the money we do

2407
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,119
not have. For the last four years,

2408
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:23,360
administration has raised concerns about

2409
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:25,679
shortfalls and invited department heads

2410
01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:27,119
to speak at their budget meeting. Um,

2411
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:29,440
and I've heard people talk about this

2412
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:32,080
and they come with proposed cuts and

2413
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:34,239
eliminating FTE and moving people to

2414
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,760
part-time. And every single year that

2415
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:38,719
I've been here, the police union comes

2416
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:40,960
in and wants more more money, more money

2417
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:43,199
for cars, more equipment, more officers,

2418
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:44,880
bigger stations. This year, more guns.

2419
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:47,360
So every year for the past 5 years, the

2420
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:49,679
police budget's gone up exponentially,

2421
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:52,639
way beyond the other departments, and

2422
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:55,040
we've only experienced 7% growth in the

2423
01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:56,719
last 10 years. Keep that in mind. We

2424
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:59,119
have not exploded like we thought we

2425
01:50:56,719 --> 01:51:01,119
were going to. I grew up in St. Helens.

2426
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:03,040
I've never seen our city offices closed.

2427
01:51:01,119 --> 01:51:05,040
I'm here today to advocate for our

2428
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:06,880
planning department, Jacob Gretchen, and

2429
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:08,560
our building inspector, Mike Do. Royal,

2430
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:10,000
to be restored to the full budget they

2431
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,920
had last year. They have already been

2432
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:13,760
cut to way below industry norms as they

2433
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,280
pointed out at the last meeting. They

2434
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:17,360
spoke about how the lack of time would

2435
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:19,600
have impacts in planning and timely

2436
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:21,520
development. Frankly, we cannot risk

2437
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:24,000
losing them as some of you have spoken

2438
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:25,760
about and put out a job wreck to replace

2439
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,360
them that will probably cost more than

2440
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,280
they're making. They are seasoned,

2441
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,800
honest, hard-working professionals that

2442
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,960
hold a great deal of institutional

2443
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:35,760
knowledge in our city. I propose cutting

2444
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:38,159
the council stipens to add approximately

2445
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:40,080
$65,000 to the budget and restoring

2446
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:41,760
these departments. Additionally, we need

2447
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,840
to restore public works and Muhammad

2448
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,679
Zahir's department. Let them repair our

2449
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:47,679
roads, cut our grass, sweep our streets.

2450
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:49,199
I propose moving code enforcement out of

2451
01:51:47,679 --> 01:51:51,119
the police and adding that position to

2452
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:52,960
public works. Get our streets, public

2453
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:55,280
ways cleaned up from broken down cars,

2454
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:57,199
trailers, RV trash that's being stored

2455
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:59,119
in our public rightway. Furthermore,

2456
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:01,440
we've added a substantial maintenance

2457
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:03,199
footprint with the waterfront project,

2458
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:06,000
and it makes no sense to cut back

2459
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:08,000
funding that to support it. If we built

2460
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,920
it, we have to maintain it. We made that

2461
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,760
commitment. Why would a developer want

2462
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:15,040
to invest in a city full of potholes and

2463
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:16,639
weeds? I suggest taking this $165,000

2464
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,159
that Gloria stated went directly into

2465
01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:19,920
the general fund from our tourism

2466
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:22,639
program, put that back into public

2467
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:24,800
works. We were promises promised that if

2468
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:26,880
we decided to enact a service fee on

2469
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,119
every ticket from Halloween Town, this

2470
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:31,520
would go back into tourism. This co

2471
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:33,119
quote can be found at the 2hour and 19

2472
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:35,520
minute mark of the third budget meeting

2473
01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:37,679
last year. Quote, if we did the impact

2474
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:39,840
fee, that would go directly into our

2475
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:42,560
general fund. End quote. She's referring

2476
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:44,080
to this additional $4.95

2477
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,840
ticket fee that was charged for the

2478
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,440
event. I think this money should be

2479
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,920
earmarked to make our city beautiful and

2480
01:52:47,440 --> 01:52:52,560
give public works the tools it needs.

2481
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:55,440
Lastly, I'd like to draw attention to

2482
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:58,480
the city of St. Helens resolution 1509,

2483
01:52:55,440 --> 01:53:00,719
the resolution adopting a code of eth

2484
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:02,480
ethics. This is found on the city's

2485
01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:04,480
websites. Every meeting our attorney

2486
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:06,320
reads the state of Oregon ethics law.

2487
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:08,159
For some reason, Oregon decided last

2488
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:10,080
year to do away with their ethics laws,

2489
01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:11,760
which allow a person with a conflict of

2490
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:13,920
interest to participate in voting and

2491
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,760
decision-making. Thank goodness our city

2492
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:18,320
holds higher standards than the state.

2493
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:20,159
In resolution 1509, it states, "The code

2494
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:22,159
of ethics shall apply to all city

2495
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:23,599
officials, including elected and

2496
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:25,520
appointed official, staff, and

2497
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:27,679
volunteers." From page four of the

2498
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,840
document, point number two, if an

2499
01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:31,840
individual official, financial or

2500
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,000
personal interest will specifically be

2501
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:35,920
affected by a decision, the official is

2502
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,920
to withdraw from participating in that

2503
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:38,400
decision.

2504
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:42,040
» Thank you.

2505
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:42,040
» Thank you. Anyone

2506
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:48,920
else who'd like

2507
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:55,199
» First? I want to thank uh Jenny Gilbert

2508
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:56,880
for having assisting on public comment.

2509
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:58,639
Obviously, I think that this is very

2510
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:00,400
valuable. Even if I don't agree with

2511
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:02,159
people that stated, I think it's one of

2512
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:05,360
the most valuable part parts of what you

2513
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:06,880
do here. Um,

2514
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:09,040
the

2515
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:10,800
budget committee has known for years

2516
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:12,320
that we were getting this point. It was

2517
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,920
on the front page. I was on the budget

2518
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,679
committee four years ago. We knew it was

2519
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:18,000
coming. You've ignored it for for years

2520
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:19,840
and years and years, and now we're here.

2521
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,599
Nobody wants to see the police

2522
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,199
department decimated. But that's the

2523
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:26,000
only place that can be cut. Literally,

2524
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:28,000
the city hall is now closed. You cannot

2525
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,880
come into the city hall and make an

2526
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:30,639
appointment. You have to make an

2527
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,719
appointment and call. That's not

2528
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:35,199
acceptable. We cannot function our

2529
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:36,560
government that way. But yet you

2530
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:38,800
continue to want to build a police

2531
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,159
station that we can't afford. As I said

2532
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,760
for years, we couldn't afford the

2533
01:54:40,159 --> 01:54:43,360
waterfront development. And you heard

2534
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,560
today them say, "Yeah, we really can't.

2535
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:46,159
We hope that we're going to be

2536
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:48,400
sustainable." Guess what? We can't

2537
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:50,239
afford the police station. Take the $10

2538
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:53,040
that we're charging already on our water

2539
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:54,560
bill and get and hire cops. Why are we

2540
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,880
going to have a police station with

2541
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:58,960
empty no police in it? It's ridiculous

2542
01:54:56,880 --> 01:55:00,719
that we want to continue to build spend

2543
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:03,360
money on a station when we don't have

2544
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:04,800
cops. I think even the police, in fact,

2545
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:06,719
they said that they would rather have

2546
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:09,440
more police than a stupid station that

2547
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:12,480
we don't need.

2548
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:14,960
Also, I want to talk about um the

2549
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,400
tourism dollars. There's half a million

2550
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,960
dollars that shows that you've loan

2551
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:22,080
tourism hasn't been repaid. It should be

2552
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:24,080
plus 165 that Robin mentioned plus

2553
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:26,560
300,000 that's in the budget. That's a

2554
01:55:24,080 --> 01:55:28,080
million dollars right there that needs

2555
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:29,760
to come from tourism that you haven't

2556
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:32,560
asked for and you haven't even had a

2557
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:35,920
discussion on tourism. In addition to

2558
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:39,199
that, you also have the highest paid

2559
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:42,080
staff in almost any city. Rather than

2560
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:44,719
picking on those poor people of ASME who

2561
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:47,920
are frontline workers who who are barely

2562
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:50,880
making a living wage, you need to go

2563
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:53,280
after the top earners. The top 10 city

2564
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:56,000
employees that are overpaid. some of

2565
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:58,480
them four times what is a comparable

2566
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,800
salary in other cities. And the top 10

2567
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:02,719
police officers, some of whom are also

2568
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:04,159
making four four times what they're

2569
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:06,880
making. We have cops that are making

2570
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:09,199
$200,000 a year. City administrator

2571
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:13,599
who's making $245,000

2572
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:15,760
a year. That is way out of line for what

2573
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:18,480
should be paid for our city. You take

2574
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:20,400
those top 10 employees and the top 10

2575
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,159
cops and you cut their salaries and

2576
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:24,639
Gloria will tell you you can't do it.

2577
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:26,800
That's a lie. You can you can't target

2578
01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:28,719
an individual staff person, but you can

2579
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:30,800
say what you want for administration.

2580
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:32,719
You take just those top 10, those 20

2581
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:35,679
employees, and you cut their salaries to

2582
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:38,000
a reasonable salary. That's $2 million

2583
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:40,320
over payment that we are making for just

2584
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:42,000
those 20 employees. That's where the

2585
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,599
cuts need to be rather than the

2586
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:45,520
frontline workers, as this woman who got

2587
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:47,679
up and said, who is barely making a

2588
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:49,360
living wage. That's where the cuts need

2589
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:52,159
to happen. You need to have selective

2590
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:55,119
cuts, not across the board cuts and

2591
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:56,320
affecting employees that don't make a

2592
01:56:55,119 --> 01:57:00,080
living wage.

2593
01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:01,840
» Yeah, good point.

2594
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:03,760
» Next, I'd like to make comment, Adam,

2595
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:05,040
St. Pierre. Yeah, it sounds really good.

2596
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,440
We have a couple people making a lot of

2597
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:09,280
money. That's very much the point. Did

2598
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,639
anybody ever think to do the math? All

2599
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,480
these ask me people, if you're working

2600
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:14,560
60, 70, 80 hours a week, would you not

2601
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:16,560
want to be paid those 60, 70, 80 hours a

2602
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:19,199
week? I know how many hours the officers

2603
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:21,040
put in. I talk to him a lot. Um, so

2604
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:22,560
there's you have a problem here. They

2605
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,719
are getting a lot of money. They're

2606
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:27,280
putting in a million hours. So there is

2607
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:29,840
that, you know, ratio there. You have to

2608
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:31,280
think about that. Um, is everybody

2609
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:34,080
underpaid? Absolutely. Everybody's

2610
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:36,400
underpaid. We We all deserve more money,

2611
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:38,320
but there's only a limited amount of

2612
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:40,400
money in the budget. And if they would

2613
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:42,960
have done their job as council, budget

2614
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:44,880
meeting, whatever, years ago, as Brady

2615
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:46,480
said, he he's seen this coming, we

2616
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:49,040
wouldn't be in this situation. But there

2617
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:51,360
is a situation we have now. There's no

2618
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:52,960
money. And so something somewhere has to

2619
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:54,400
be cut.

2620
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:56,239
What is it? I don't know. I don't have

2621
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,840
the answer. We can all whine and cry as

2622
01:57:56,239 --> 01:57:59,360
much as we want, but there's only so

2623
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,800
much money. There's only so much we

2624
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:02,560
could do. I'm actually personally happy.

2625
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:06,239
I'm a libertarian. I think we need a 30%

2626
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:08,960
smaller government, but the real deal is

2627
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:11,599
the 10 highest paid people. There's a

2628
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:14,840
number of hours put in. So, thank you.

2629
01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:14,840
Thank you.

2630
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:23,199
We have any other

2631
01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:25,440
negative St. Helens? Uh, I'd like you to

2632
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:27,119
jog your memory back to 2017 when

2633
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:29,440
Douglas County shut down their library

2634
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:32,560
system. It made the national news. It

2635
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:34,320
made international news. Uh, year and a

2636
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:36,880
half later when they reopened it, it

2637
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:38,560
made national news. It's a big deal to

2638
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:40,639
shut down a rec center. It's a big deal

2639
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:42,320
to shut down a library system.

2640
01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:45,360
Currently, the largest city in Oregon

2641
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:48,080
with no library is King City. Uh less

2642
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:50,719
than 5,000 people, half of them over 65

2643
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:52,639
years old. The second largest city in

2644
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:57,280
Oregon with no library system is

2645
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:59,440
Cobbert, 1,400 people. Um this this will

2646
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:02,239
absolutely make national news if you

2647
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:05,480
close down the library.

2648
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:05,480
» Thank you.

2649
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:11,199
» Anyone else?

2650
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:12,719
We have any online?

2651
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:14,719
» No one is raised there.

2652
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:15,199
» Do I have a comment online?

2653
01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:16,639
» Okay.

2654
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:20,040
» Yeah. So, I have to give my time to

2655
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:20,040
Brady Preham.

2656
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,760
» Way to Yeah. Is there a way to fix the

2657
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:26,960
audio by any chance?

2658
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:29,360
» That he wants to give his time to Brady.

2659
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,880
» Oh. Oh, is that what he said?

2660
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,520
» He said he wants to give his his time to

2661
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,159
Brady. Brian,

2662
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:36,960
» Maybe we can more Brady.

2663
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:39,599
» Okay. So, Brady, give some time. All

2664
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:41,599
right. I'm done. Have a good night.

2665
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:43,440
» Audio. I don't know. Yeah, there's a

2666
01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:46,560
weird echo. Okay.

2667
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:48,320
» All right. Any any others?

2668
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:50,239
» If not.

2669
01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:53,239
» All right.

2670
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:53,239
» Uh,

2671
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,679
I I need to officially close the public

2672
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:02,159
comments.

2673
02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:03,679
» No,

2674
02:00:02,159 --> 02:00:04,480
» No, we're just done.

2675
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:08,880
» Public comment.

2676
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:11,920
» Okay. So then we will take a break for

2677
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:13,840
10 minutes. Come back at 8:00.

2678
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:16,960
» Perfect. That's 9 minutes. That's fine.

2679
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:16,960
» Oh, wow.

2680
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:21,000
back from break

2681
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:21,000
order.

2682
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:27,639
» Thank you.

2683
02:10:29,199 --> 02:10:36,639
» All right. At this point, I will turn it

2684
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:40,880
over to the budget officer.

2685
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:43,760
» Okay. So, we want to open the um

2686
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:47,199
discussion and and start with the staff

2687
02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:50,639
revisions. So, you have

2688
02:10:47,199 --> 02:10:53,440
we have these sheets here that have the

2689
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:55,760
okay.

2690
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:57,679
So, we've started a draft and this is

2691
02:10:55,760 --> 02:11:00,079
purely a draft. of the approved budget

2692
02:10:57,679 --> 02:11:02,719
and it shows what you have already

2693
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:05,199
approved which was the return of the

2694
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:07,199
library and recreation to full staffing

2695
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:09,440
with no furloss.

2696
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:11,520
Additionally, we have removed the

2697
02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:16,320
general service fee from the general

2698
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:18,400
fund revenues and the um

2699
02:11:16,320 --> 02:11:20,639
and the city administrator chief and

2700
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:22,639
finance director have reduced the police

2701
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:26,719
department budget to balance the general

2702
02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:29,920
fund with a 5% reserve balance.

2703
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:31,920
We are not presenting the alternative

2704
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:34,159
option of removing the police department

2705
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:35,840
from the general fund. The city

2706
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:37,520
administrator, finance director, and

2707
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:40,079
police chief have revised the police

2708
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:43,599
budget to sustain services for the first

2709
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:45,840
six months of the fiscal year. If the

2710
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:50,719
city council decides to refer a ballot

2711
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:52,719
measure on the November ballot and it is

2712
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:55,679
passed by the voters, there will need to

2713
02:11:52,719 --> 02:11:59,199
be a supplemental budget at that time.

2714
02:11:55,679 --> 02:12:01,599
If the council does not refer a public a

2715
02:11:59,199 --> 02:12:06,000
police services fee to the November

2716
02:12:01,599 --> 02:12:07,760
ballot or if the ballot measure fails,

2717
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:10,639
the police department will need to be

2718
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:13,280
reduced to minimum staffing, no patrol,

2719
02:12:10,639 --> 02:12:16,079
no investigations, and pri prioritized

2720
02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:20,360
call response. So that's where our

2721
02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:20,360
starting point is for

2722
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:35,199
Okay, with with that I think we move

2723
02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:36,320
into uh approval of the proposed budget.

2724
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:39,040
» Hold on. I

2725
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:40,960
» Miss the discussion with the section is

2726
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:42,560
titles approval.

2727
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:46,400
» So

2728
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:46,400
I have a question. Go ahead.

2729
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:50,760
So this budget of

2730
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:54,800
so this is not a one-year budget. This

2731
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:59,880
is I'm just trying to understand what

2732
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:59,880
you're saying with the $4,36,000

2733
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:06,639
for personnel

2734
02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:11,520
which I'm looking at the first page

2735
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:14,079
under draft approved police.

2736
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:17,599
So if you go to the third page which is

2737
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:19,280
the police department um budget that

2738
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:20,800
might be more helpful.

2739
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:23,920
» Okay.

2740
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:27,679
» So the so the question is are you saying

2741
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:32,000
that this is not a one-year budget?

2742
02:13:27,679 --> 02:13:35,280
» This for the police department is a

2743
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:37,440
bridge to get us to the next

2744
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:42,320
um decisions that the council will need

2745
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:46,400
to make. Um, this gets us to six months.

2746
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:50,079
The police department does. Um,

2747
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:53,599
if you if the budget committee wants to

2748
02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:57,119
talk about completely gutting the police

2749
02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:58,400
department and that that's your

2750
02:13:57,119 --> 02:14:00,000
prerogative to talk about.

2751
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:02,079
» I I don't think anybody's talking about

2752
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:04,480
gutting the police department. I I do

2753
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:07,360
think that what we need to talk about is

2754
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:09,520
appropriate management of salaries and

2755
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:12,239
the expenses of the police that are

2756
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:14,719
commensurate with

2757
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:18,079
our budget that we actually set out. I

2758
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:22,079
mean, everybody is very supportive of

2759
02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:23,920
the police. And

2760
02:14:22,079 --> 02:14:27,920
we have

2761
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:29,760
in the past, we've had a situation where

2762
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:32,480
we have

2763
02:14:29,760 --> 02:14:36,239
officers making officers and people

2764
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:42,320
making 185, 177,000,

2765
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:44,639
172,000 a year. And you look back at

2766
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:48,639
you look at back at the past just go

2767
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:51,599
back at some of the past data points

2768
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:54,320
when we had 16 officers 16 sworn

2769
02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:59,119
officers and these data points come from

2770
02:14:54,320 --> 02:15:02,400
our public bud published budgets

2771
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:04,639
2017 published budget 2019 published

2772
02:15:02,400 --> 02:15:08,480
budget

2773
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:11,119
2012 to 2017 we made 16,000 There were

2774
02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:13,440
16 officers

2775
02:15:11,119 --> 02:15:15,920
they handled be the city population was

2776
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:20,560
13,000 basically average out the whole

2777
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:23,119
time. So one officer per 1.21

2778
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:29,199
annual dispatch activity

2779
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:32,159
15,000 low to 17,200 high annual

2780
02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:35,599
activity per officer 1,000 reports or a

2781
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:37,199
thousand activities. annual case numbers

2782
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:40,199
1,700500

2783
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:40,199
1,800500600.

2784
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:48,639
You go to the 2019 budget

2785
02:15:45,599 --> 02:15:51,920
and you see we had 16 officers and a day

2786
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:56,560
is about the same 15,000 17,000 16,000

2787
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:58,480
calls. Our population went up to 13,240.

2788
02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:00,480
Our population now is just barely over

2789
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:02,880
14,000.

2790
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:07,199
So for

2791
02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:10,000
8 10 year we handled 17,000 calls a year

2792
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:12,320
we handled

2793
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:14,400
annual case numbers per officer 100

2794
02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:16,000
reports per year under case number per

2795
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,760
year

2796
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:21,920
and then you go back the last couple

2797
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:24,400
years we've had 22 sworn there's six

2798
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:26,880
more officers our population is

2799
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:29,920
essentially the same our sworn officers

2800
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:33,359
per thousands one week annual dispatch

2801
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:36,160
match activity 15,000 to 18,000

2802
02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:39,200
essentially the same annual case numbers

2803
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:41,840
982 to 1045

2804
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:44,559
annual case numbers have gone in half

2805
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:47,200
annual case numbers per officer by more

2806
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:51,120
than half we're paying twice as much

2807
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:54,639
money and we're getting half as much

2808
02:16:51,120 --> 02:16:57,359
cases and so

2809
02:16:54,639 --> 02:16:59,439
nobody's talking about what a that the

2810
02:16:57,359 --> 02:17:00,960
police aren't doing a great job nobody's

2811
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:04,080
talking about quote gutting the police.

2812
02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:07,760
We're talking about is having a very

2813
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:10,319
serious conversation with our union

2814
02:17:07,760 --> 02:17:13,760
uh if we decide to do business with the

2815
02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:16,479
union and saying look this is St.

2816
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:19,040
balance. This is what our officers are.

2817
02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:23,359
And you know, what are we up to paying?

2818
02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:27,160
I mean, but look, this proposed budget

2819
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:27,160
is 4,646,000.

2820
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:31,920
And you're saying that isn't a yearly

2821
02:17:30,319 --> 02:17:35,120
budget. So, this still isn't a budget.

2822
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:36,800
This is like a six-month budget.

2823
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:38,160
This isn't the This isn't the yearly

2824
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:40,000
budget either. This this would be the

2825
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:42,880
budget for the year, and they would need

2826
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:45,920
to figure out a way to make it work.

2827
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:48,080
We've had two this year we had we had a

2828
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:50,319
$300,000 overtime budget and came in at

2829
02:17:48,080 --> 02:17:53,599
half a million

2830
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:56,160
and it's really just a matter of saying

2831
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:57,599
this is the amount of money.

2832
02:17:56,160 --> 02:18:01,040
» Steve, I like to point out the reduction

2833
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:02,319
on the overtime. Interestingly,

2834
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,920
take a look at the police budget. The

2835
02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:05,760
highlighted yellow items, if I'm reading

2836
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:09,439
this correctly, the overtime budget has

2837
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:11,679
been reduced from 370 to 200,000.

2838
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:15,920
» But that's only the six-month budget.

2839
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:18,000
saying this budget is a six-month budget

2840
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:19,120
because it's only supposed to get us

2841
02:18:18,000 --> 02:18:20,559
happens at the end of the year. We get

2842
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:21,920
no policing.

2843
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:23,359
» None.

2844
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:26,359
» It seems likely.

2845
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:26,359
» Well,

2846
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:30,160
so we're we're we're trying to set a

2847
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:31,599
balanced budget. So I think the question

2848
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:34,000
whether it's a half year or full year

2849
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:35,920
budget, it's a fullear budget. What

2850
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:37,920
we're hearing is the intention is to

2851
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:40,080
maintain staffing for six months and

2852
02:18:37,920 --> 02:18:41,519
then have a cliff and fall off.

2853
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:43,679
Absolutely unacceptable. It's

2854
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:46,399
unacceptable. Unacceptable that the

2855
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:47,840
police would come to us and say that

2856
02:18:46,399 --> 02:18:49,359
they would come to us and bring us a

2857
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:50,960
budget that we're going to pay them for

2858
02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:53,840
six months and then we're not going to

2859
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:55,120
have police for 6 months. That's utterly

2860
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:57,519
unacceptable.

2861
02:18:55,120 --> 02:18:59,920
» Chief Smith, can you weigh in at all?

2862
02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:01,359
» I I I don't understand what Mr. Tossk is

2863
02:18:59,920 --> 02:19:02,960
even saying at that moment.

2864
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:04,319
» No one no one from the agency is saying

2865
02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:05,599
there's not going to be policing in the

2866
02:19:04,319 --> 02:19:06,960
last six months. What are you saying

2867
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:09,040
what's going to happen if they don't if

2868
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:09,920
we don't pay another what is it $50 a

2869
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,120
month or something?

2870
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:12,719
» I'm I'm not saying anything like that,

2871
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:14,240
Mr. Tosski. What I'm trying to convey is

2872
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:15,920
I'd like to respond to a few comments

2873
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:17,519
that were made. I want to remind

2874
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:20,240
everyone that when we talk about case

2875
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:21,920
numbers, for instance, okay, there could

2876
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:23,599
be a single case number, but there's a

2877
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:25,840
case I investigated as your detective

2878
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:28,240
over the last few years that has 200

2879
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:30,479
supplemental reports, one case number.

2880
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:32,559
So, Mr. Tosski, that is a wildly

2881
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:35,280
inaccurate statement. I'm using our data

2882
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:37,280
that's in our providing context to the

2883
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:38,639
numbers. I just want to know but I want

2884
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,840
to respond to something else.

2885
02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:41,920
» He can speak for himself.

2886
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:43,599
» Yeah. I just want to know whether

2887
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:45,359
» All right, let's let's keep over one one

2888
02:19:43,599 --> 02:19:47,599
at a time and let's go back and forth.

2889
02:19:45,359 --> 02:19:49,840
» Respond to one other comment. So we

2890
02:19:47,599 --> 02:19:51,439
talked about the high earners. I want to

2891
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:52,880
respond to that because over the last

2892
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:54,960
several years I was one of those

2893
02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:56,399
officers. But what isn't captured in the

2894
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:57,920
data when I was working six to seven

2895
02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:00,080
days a week because I was your only

2896
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:02,319
detective. What was important to me is

2897
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:04,399
I've had to make a decision of whether I

2898
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:07,200
come in on my weekends and I cross

2899
02:20:04,399 --> 02:20:09,680
overtime for the city or I investigate

2900
02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:12,560
cases where children sexually assault.

2901
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:14,560
Janelle, who is here unsafe, can attest

2902
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:16,960
to the fact that many of her victims she

2903
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:19,040
advocated for victims in my criminal

2904
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:20,479
investigations. I didn't feel it was

2905
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:22,399
appropriate that a sexual assault

2906
02:20:20,479 --> 02:20:23,760
survivor was going to have her case on

2907
02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:25,760
two to three weeks when I could have

2908
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:27,439
been in the office working on it. Those

2909
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:29,600
are the hard decisions that we had to

2910
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:31,040
make. And I and I understand that it did

2911
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:32,319
cost overtime and we have multiple

2912
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:33,200
officers at our department who are

2913
02:20:32,319 --> 02:20:34,800
working the overtime.

2914
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,319
» The overtime is scheduled overtime.

2915
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:37,840
Chief, I've reviewed all the overtime

2916
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:39,439
numbers. It's hundreds of thousands of

2917
02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:41,439
dollars of scheduled overtime.

2918
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:43,359
» I worked the overtime. I was there.

2919
02:20:41,439 --> 02:20:44,560
» I'm not talking

2920
02:20:43,359 --> 02:20:47,280
about your department.

2921
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:48,880
» I I want to be very clear that for many

2922
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:50,720
of us, we have to make a decision of

2923
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:52,960
whether we respond in during incidents

2924
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:54,640
or emergencies and work for the citizens

2925
02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:56,399
here. And if the direction from the

2926
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:58,160
council, the budget committee is that we

2927
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:59,840
don't respond in after hours to do that

2928
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:00,319
work. We can we can cut the overtime

2929
02:20:59,840 --> 02:21:01,760
budget.

2930
02:21:00,319 --> 02:21:03,920
» You didn't stay within your budget. You

2931
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:05,680
didn't do your job. And I'm I'm hold I'm

2932
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,880
letting you know that right now. And I

2933
02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:09,280
don't want to hear about child

2934
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:13,600
molestation being an excuse.

2935
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:15,680
» Wow. Mr. Tosski. Mr. Tosski.

2936
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:15,920
» Um I'm not even going to respond to

2937
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:18,560
that.

2938
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:20,800
» Excuse me. You had your overtime budget.

2939
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:23,439
Just a sec.

2940
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:24,319
» Hold on. Let's let's maintain decorum

2941
02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:26,800
here.

2942
02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:30,000
» It's scheduled overtime. Scheduled

2943
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:32,560
overtime. These are these are hours that

2944
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:34,880
are scheduled and just people running

2945
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:36,479
over time. Madam Mayor, I'm not

2946
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:38,800
» I wouldn't respond to it either.

2947
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:40,560
» Well, okay. Political not running the

2948
02:21:38,800 --> 02:21:41,920
meeting, Jeremy. It's mayor.

2949
02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:43,359
» You know what? I just don't you know

2950
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:45,359
he's coming in here and he's trying to

2951
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:45,760
scare us is what he's doing.

2952
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:47,439
» So,

2953
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:48,560
» All right. Let's let's let's come back

2954
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:50,080
to our discussion.

2955
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:51,840
» The sixth month. I think that we were

2956
02:21:50,080 --> 02:21:53,680
back we were back to the six month and

2957
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:56,160
that clarification because the chief

2958
02:21:53,680 --> 02:21:57,280
worked on that budget.

2959
02:21:56,160 --> 02:22:00,160
» He was trying to respond to that.

2960
02:21:57,280 --> 02:22:03,359
» Can we just get a

2961
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:05,920
» So the amount of money that is is is

2962
02:22:03,359 --> 02:22:07,680
itemized here represents a series of

2963
02:22:05,920 --> 02:22:10,319
significant cuts to our operational

2964
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:12,319
budget. It included carving $100,000

2965
02:22:10,319 --> 02:22:14,000
operable

2966
02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:15,760
» Reducing our tactical budget down to

2967
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:18,000
$10,000 which

2968
02:22:15,760 --> 02:22:21,520
» Understood. But can we keep this clear

2969
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:24,080
to the idea of if if this not yet a

2970
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:26,240
proposed fee for the November ballot is

2971
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:29,280
not put on the ballot or has and does

2972
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:31,680
not pass, do you or do you not expect to

2973
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:32,960
do drastic cuts to police staffing?

2974
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,280
» We would have to lay off 13 police

2975
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:35,359
officers.

2976
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:35,920
» 13 police officers starting in November.

2977
02:22:35,359 --> 02:22:38,800
» Correct.

2978
02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:41,920
» Okay. So, we are talking about a

2979
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:44,399
staggered cliff of a budget that today

2980
02:22:41,920 --> 02:22:47,520
we have about a 99%

2981
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:49,920
probability of not having that money.

2982
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:51,120
» Well, I I I don't

2983
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:52,880
» I'm putting it out there because there's

2984
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:57,359
been nothing proposed. It's not on the

2985
02:22:52,880 --> 02:22:59,200
ballot. It's it's it's it's very much

2986
02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:01,359
» You manage this you just manage this

2987
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:03,040
money as your year-long money. That's

2988
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:05,920
what you do. You don't start with the

2989
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:07,280
assumption that you're going to have a

2990
02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:09,200
increase in your budget. By the way,

2991
02:23:07,280 --> 02:23:10,399
you're not cutting your budget. So, we

2992
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:12,960
have everybody talking about cutting

2993
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:15,200
their budget. You had a $6 million

2994
02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:20,720
budget last year. This year, what you're

2995
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:22,080
proposing is a $10 million budget.

2996
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:23,280
» Well, Mr. Tossy, with the amount that's

2997
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:24,560
going to be appropriated by budget

2998
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:26,000
committee, I'll review the numbers and

2999
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:28,160
determine how many officers, if any,

3000
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:29,920
need to be laid off.

3001
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:32,160
Yes. Steve, would you refer us to the

3002
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:35,359
$10 million?

3003
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:35,920
» $4.6 million twice.

3004
02:23:35,359 --> 02:23:37,040
» Where's that?

3005
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:39,280
» Where is it twice?

3006
02:23:37,040 --> 02:23:41,520
» Because this is a six-month budget.

3007
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:43,680
» Well, I'm not sure you're reading that

3008
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:46,399
quite right because if he said 13

3009
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:49,439
officers been cut, that means today's

3010
02:23:46,399 --> 02:23:51,920
level minus 13. That's funded entire

3011
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:54,479
year. And then there's a piece for these

3012
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:57,359
13 officers in the first six months. I

3013
02:23:54,479 --> 02:23:59,439
doubt you would double the budget to put

3014
02:23:57,359 --> 02:24:00,960
those 13 back on for six months. I think

3015
02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:04,160
it's maybe a third

3016
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:06,160
» Something. So you cut 13 officers.

3017
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:07,359
What do you do? That's your decision to

3018
02:24:06,160 --> 02:24:09,840
cut our

3019
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:11,359
» Budget's 88% personnel, Mr. Tosski. We

3020
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:13,120
would have to cut officers in order to

3021
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:14,640
do that. And to make up the deficit that

3022
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:16,640
I've talked with with Gloria, it would

3023
02:24:14,640 --> 02:24:16,800
require laying off 13 police officers.

3024
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:18,399
Have

3025
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:21,920
» You been told that you need to come up

3026
02:24:18,399 --> 02:24:24,160
with a year budget with uh $4.6 million

3027
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:26,160
and how you would do it? No, I'd never

3028
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:26,880
been given a direct number of 4.6

3029
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,640
million. And

3030
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:30,479
» I'd make a motion that the chief should

3031
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:33,840
bring back to us at another budget

3032
02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:36,319
meeting a his proposed budget of how he

3033
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:39,920
would implement a budget for a year at

3034
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:45,280
4.683 million. So, I'd like to caution

3035
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:47,840
the budget committee to here that if you

3036
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:49,760
you really need to approve a budget

3037
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:53,439
tonight,

3038
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:56,080
we do not have time on the calendar to

3039
02:24:53,439 --> 02:24:59,120
adopt a budget for the council to adopt

3040
02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:59,920
the budget before the end of the fiscal

3041
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,600
year.

3042
02:24:59,920 --> 02:25:03,680
» This is an unacceptable budget. I'm not

3043
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:06,880
gonna This is not a budget. What this is

3044
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:08,240
is uh this is not a budget. What? How

3045
02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:10,960
much more money are we going to end up

3046
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:14,160
putting on your budget?

3047
02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:15,760
If we get to six months, we don't get

3048
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:18,240
extra money. How much extra money is

3049
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:19,760
going to come? How much more money are

3050
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:21,120
we going to need?

3051
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:23,760
» It would mean a staff reduction, Mr.

3052
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:25,280
Tosski, over much more though. Is it

3053
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,359
going to be 2 million, 3 million? How

3054
02:25:25,280 --> 02:25:29,280
many for all the cuts you want to make,

3055
02:25:27,359 --> 02:25:30,399
Chief? I want to make sure it's you that

3056
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:31,760
are going to be making.

3057
02:25:30,399 --> 02:25:33,040
» Clear Mr. Tasks. I don't want to make

3058
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:35,359
any cuts and I certainly don't want to

3059
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:36,640
lay off 13 police officers. But in order

3060
02:25:35,359 --> 02:25:37,840
to make up like you do,

3061
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:40,080
» Don't you think that the voters should

3062
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:41,520
get a choice also to to voice their

3063
02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:42,319
opinion on what they want for public

3064
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:45,280
safety?

3065
02:25:42,319 --> 02:25:48,640
» He just voters did%

3066
02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:51,359
the last time we had a a targeted fee

3067
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:53,920
for police. It went on the ballot last

3068
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:55,920
minute. It wasn't campaigned by council.

3069
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:58,880
It was it was just thrown on there and

3070
02:25:55,920 --> 02:26:00,720
there was a 46% support base on that

3071
02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:01,520
with no campaigning. That's what the

3072
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:04,800
general service

3073
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:07,840
» Is the idea. And also also when I know I

3074
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:09,600
spoke to so many different constituents,

3075
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:10,880
it was like the everything bagel. People

3076
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:12,479
when I asked how much is going to

3077
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:13,439
library, I couldn't give the answer. I

3078
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:14,880
don't know what was going to be

3079
02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:16,399
appropriated. I didn't know what was

3080
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:19,680
going to be appropriated to rent or

3081
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:21,280
police. It the the I didn't promote it

3082
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:23,200
for those reasons. Structurally, it

3083
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:25,040
seemed like it was flawed. The last

3084
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,640
targeted approach I think that if we're

3085
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:29,359
talking about public safety within the

3086
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:31,600
city of St. Helens, our citizens have a

3087
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:34,160
right to vote. We created an ordinance

3088
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:35,520
to have voice. Do you not want citizens

3089
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:35,760
to vote, Steve, on something so

3090
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:38,880
important?

3091
02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:40,399
» What is the amount of money?

3092
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:42,479
» I'm just It's a question. Do you not

3093
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:44,479
want citizens to be able to vote on

3094
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:44,880
» Voted and here and here's they voted

3095
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:46,160
twice.

3096
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:47,439
» They've not voted on a targeted

3097
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:48,960
» Wait. No. I want to make sure we

3098
02:26:47,439 --> 02:26:50,399
understand what you're proposing.

3099
02:26:48,960 --> 02:26:51,680
» You don't like to be interrupted. We're

3100
02:26:50,399 --> 02:26:53,840
not going to, you know, we're playing

3101
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:56,319
nice in the sandbox. So, what I'm trying

3102
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:58,240
to say is that I think that it's

3103
02:26:56,319 --> 02:27:00,160
important for citizens to vote. We have

3104
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:02,000
not had a targeted one. The last time

3105
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:04,240
that was an operational levy got thrown

3106
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:06,319
on the last minute. It was not campaign.

3107
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:08,319
There was no education. Right now, when

3108
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:10,720
I've like talked to citizens, they don't

3109
02:27:08,319 --> 02:27:12,960
even know the gravity of this budget

3110
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:15,120
crisis in relation to public safety

3111
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:17,359
potentially in this city. They have a

3112
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:20,720
right to know if it's talking about the

3113
02:27:17,359 --> 02:27:23,439
livability. If we have 17,000 calls for

3114
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:26,080
service and we have le like 15,000 just

3115
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:28,000
shy of 15,000 people, that's a lot of

3116
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:30,000
livability issues to the citizens here

3117
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:30,800
and I think that they have a right to to

3118
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:32,479
vote on it.

3119
02:27:30,800 --> 02:27:34,720
» Well, how much money is it that you

3120
02:27:32,479 --> 02:27:35,680
propose would be on the ballot?

3121
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:37,120
» Well, I think

3122
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:38,560
» $50 a month on the water.

3123
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:39,760
» No, I I don't I don't think that that

3124
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:42,720
would be the case at all, actually.

3125
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:44,080
» Yeah. How much? Um well I mean we had

3126
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:47,920
something originally but I don't think

3127
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:50,080
that's I mean I had broken it down um

3128
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:51,680
when I did some math to it and I don't

3129
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:54,800
necessarily want to give that number but

3130
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:57,040
I came up to uh the shortage uh

3131
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:59,200
depending on how things could pan out. I

3132
02:27:57,040 --> 02:28:00,640
don't know $1110

3133
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:02,880
somewhere around there.

3134
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:04,560
» Yeah, that wouldn't do it because all

3135
02:28:02,880 --> 02:28:05,600
that would do is just patch for that.

3136
02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:08,800
That's not going to be

3137
02:28:05,600 --> 02:28:10,720
» We need we need a we need a potential

3138
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:13,359
like say public safety stability fund

3139
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:14,880
and I for one don't have all the numbers

3140
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:16,800
but I think at least that should go out

3141
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:18,560
to the vote of the citizens the citizens

3142
02:28:16,800 --> 02:28:20,800
should know if public safety is going to

3143
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:22,399
be impacted those domestic violence

3144
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:24,479
survivors they should know when those

3145
02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:27,359
restraining orders may not be able to be

3146
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:29,439
upheld uh or people to respond we need

3147
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:32,399
people to respond to children I think

3148
02:28:29,439 --> 02:28:32,800
the citizens need a right to vote on

3149
02:28:32,399 --> 02:28:34,720
public

3150
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:36,560
» I like the idea what we're proposing for

3151
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:38,880
our citizens here. So, we're not going

3152
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:40,399
to do our job and tell our chief that he

3153
02:28:38,880 --> 02:28:42,240
needs to manage his department. What

3154
02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:43,840
we're going to do is say, "Here's your

3155
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:46,000
choice, citizens. We're going to give

3156
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:47,439
you a six-month lead, and then if you

3157
02:28:46,000 --> 02:28:48,720
don't come up with the money, whatever

3158
02:28:47,439 --> 02:28:50,720
money it is that we're going to shake

3159
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:52,319
you down for, you're going to lose 13

3160
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:53,680
officers." That's going to be their

3161
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:54,319
choice. That's how you want to present

3162
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:55,439
it to our people.

3163
02:28:54,319 --> 02:28:55,760
» There's going to be cuts in the police

3164
02:28:55,439 --> 02:28:58,000
department.

3165
02:28:55,760 --> 02:29:00,720
» It's a threat. It's a threat. And I

3166
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:02,080
don't like our citizens. Our our public

3167
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:03,439
safety is being threatened.

3168
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:04,800
» We don't have enough money. You don't

3169
02:29:03,439 --> 02:29:07,600
live here, do you? You live in Forest

3170
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:09,200
Grove, right? And Dan Chanel was your

3171
02:29:07,600 --> 02:29:10,640
attorney, too, right? The guy was a

3172
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,600
union guy. He's your attorney, too,

3173
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:12,960
right?

3174
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:14,560
» Not really sure how that's relevant.

3175
02:29:12,960 --> 02:29:16,880
» Well, because we have a bias. What's

3176
02:29:14,560 --> 02:29:17,520
going on here? We've got we we are being

3177
02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:19,040
» Mr. Tosski,

3178
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:20,720
» Instead of having a budget,

3179
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:22,240
» Mr. Tosski, to answer your question, I

3180
02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:23,840
live in the city of Forest Grove and I

3181
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:26,000
absolutely love this community. It's the

3182
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:27,600
reason I applied here. I work here. It's

3183
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,359
the reason I spent so many countless

3184
02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:31,680
hours investigating cases here. I care

3185
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:33,600
about this community deeply and but yes,

3186
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:35,040
I do reside in Forest Grove and I've

3187
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,479
known Mr. Dan Tanell when he was a

3188
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:37,840
misdemeanor district attorney at the

3189
02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:39,600
Washington County District Attorney's

3190
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:41,359
Office when he was fighting for crime

3191
02:29:39,600 --> 02:29:43,359
victims over there. I've had a 30-year

3192
02:29:41,359 --> 02:29:45,600
friendship with that man and yes, he has

3193
02:29:43,359 --> 02:29:46,080
served as my attorney in the past.

3194
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,680
» Thank you.

3195
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:49,439
» It's a good man.

3196
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:50,800
» Well,

3197
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:55,040
can I just ask?

3198
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:58,960
» I am sorry I was late. I um I work at

3199
02:29:55,040 --> 02:30:01,040
home. Who does my children? Um I don't

3200
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:02,640
have all of my numbers and my cell phone

3201
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:05,760
in front of me because I've been using a

3202
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:09,120
computer that is not my own because I

3203
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:14,000
was recently threatened by

3204
02:30:09,120 --> 02:30:18,640
me the mayor and her uh the Gastons and

3205
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:21,439
um Adam St. Pierre. Um they are uh

3206
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:24,000
trying to dig into my entire life. They

3207
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:26,240
want my cell phone, my computer, my

3208
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:28,240
social media accounts, and they have

3209
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:30,960
names of every single officer that

3210
02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:33,280
supported Chief Pogue on there that they

3211
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:35,439
want information from them as well. They

3212
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:37,920
also want information from anybody that

3213
02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:40,080
supported E2C. They want any

3214
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:43,439
communication I had with Detective

3215
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:44,640
Smith. Um, and oddly, the mayor wants

3216
02:30:43,439 --> 02:30:47,120
any communication I had with her

3217
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:49,920
husband, which I feel like whatever.

3218
02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:51,040
Anyways, I have been so intimidated. I

3219
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:53,200
have not wanted to come to these

3220
02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:56,160
meetings.

3221
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:58,080
I am scared sit this tabled and I want

3222
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:59,760
that on public record. It is partly the

3223
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,760
police department that is doing this to

3224
02:30:59,760 --> 02:31:05,200
me and then they're going to sit here

3225
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:07,600
and ask for funding. That is bold. Let

3226
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:09,520
me say that. I have some questions

3227
02:31:07,600 --> 02:31:11,280
though.

3228
02:31:09,520 --> 02:31:13,200
First of all, what were we talking about

3229
02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:17,200
that I missed? Where where was the six

3230
02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:21,120
month coming up with? Uh

3231
02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:21,520
Gloria mentioned that this this revised

3232
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:22,960
budget.

3233
02:31:21,520 --> 02:31:24,479
» Let's hear it again because I think

3234
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:25,200
» Actually

3235
02:31:24,479 --> 02:31:27,200
maybe that's

3236
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,880
» We're gonna we're going to do it.

3237
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:32,720
» I'm just laugh I'm just laughing because

3238
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:35,120
of how like crazy this is like

3239
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:37,280
» Called a public record.

3240
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:39,520
» It's called a public record and it's my

3241
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:40,000
in my nonofficial capacity. It's the

3242
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:41,920
same

3243
02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:42,399
» It's called intimidation harassment and

3244
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:44,399
brutality.

3245
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:45,520
» It's called public records. people know

3246
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:47,120
all about that.

3247
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,479
» Do you like the names of everybody on

3248
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:52,479
the list that you're after?

3249
02:31:48,479 --> 02:31:53,520
» Uh, it's not after it's

3250
02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:53,920
» Pixely.

3251
02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:56,000
» Yeah.

3252
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:57,200
» Yeah. It's We could go down list.

3253
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:58,720
» If you have something to hide, then

3254
02:31:57,200 --> 02:32:00,640
there's a the probably the issue.

3255
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:02,479
» You do not have the right to

3256
02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:05,280
» You're on

3257
02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:07,920
You are on a public committee, Miss

3258
02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:09,520
Gilbert. Then your phone, your phone,

3259
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:12,560
your phone, your phone, which you were

3260
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:14,399
texting earlier, his phone

3261
02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:16,399
produce those all the time. They're how

3262
02:32:14,399 --> 02:32:17,840
many how many records

3263
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:21,880
» Put in public records for your request

3264
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:21,880
and you haven't responded. Why?

3265
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:33,520
» Everyone will have a chance to speak.

3266
02:32:30,720 --> 02:32:37,040
» Why you guys don't get the community and

3267
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:39,120
your citizens here? This is ridiculous.

3268
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:39,600
» I agree to have my private life dug

3269
02:32:39,120 --> 02:32:41,040
through.

3270
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:42,319
» This isn't something for the budget

3271
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:43,840
committee meeting because I am

3272
02:32:42,319 --> 02:32:45,920
intimidated to

3273
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:48,960
» You put that on the record, Jennifer.

3274
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:50,560
» You put it on the record,

3275
02:32:48,960 --> 02:32:52,399
but that's something to take to the

3276
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:53,680
courtroom or something else. That's not

3277
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:56,640
here.

3278
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:57,600
» That's not my paper.

3279
02:32:56,640 --> 02:32:58,800
» All right. Can we

3280
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,560
» I would like to know what we were

3281
02:32:58,800 --> 02:33:02,319
talking about when I went to go.

3282
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:04,880
» Let's address that. That's a great idea.

3283
02:33:02,319 --> 02:33:10,399
That's a great idea. So, so I had an

3284
02:33:04,880 --> 02:33:14,080
opening um just a review of what you so

3285
02:33:10,399 --> 02:33:16,560
about these pages. Okay. Um we've

3286
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:18,640
started a draft of the approved budget

3287
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:21,280
to show you what you have already

3288
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:23,920
approved which was the return of the

3289
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:26,960
library and recreation to full staffing

3290
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:29,120
with no furloss. Additionally, we have

3291
02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:31,439
removed the general service fee from

3292
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:33,439
general fund revenues and the city

3293
02:33:31,439 --> 02:33:35,439
administrator, police chief, and finance

3294
02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:38,000
director have reduced the police

3295
02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:41,200
department budget to balance the general

3296
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:43,520
fund with a 5% reserve balance.

3297
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:45,439
We are not presenting the alternative

3298
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:47,760
option of removing the police department

3299
02:33:45,439 --> 02:33:49,280
from the general fund. The city

3300
02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:51,120
administrator, finance director, and

3301
02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:54,319
police chief have revised the police

3302
02:33:51,120 --> 02:33:57,520
budget to sustain services for the first

3303
02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:59,840
six months of the fiscal year. If the

3304
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:02,640
city council decides to refer a ballot

3305
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:04,880
measure on the November ballot and it is

3306
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:06,960
passed by the voters, there would need

3307
02:34:04,880 --> 02:34:08,960
to be a supplemental budget at that

3308
02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:11,680
time.

3309
02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:15,280
If the council does not refer a police

3310
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:17,359
services fee to the November ballot or

3311
02:34:15,280 --> 02:34:19,600
if the ballot measure fails, the police

3312
02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:22,160
department will need to be reduced to

3313
02:34:19,600 --> 02:34:24,319
minimum staffing, no patrol, no

3314
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:26,960
investigations, and prioritize calls

3315
02:34:24,319 --> 02:34:29,600
response. So that's what you missed.

3316
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:32,000
» Okay. So the six months, is that to

3317
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:34,000
bypass the law that we can't adopt a

3318
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:38,960
budget on phantom numbers and hopes and

3319
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:42,800
wishes? um that was to appease the um

3320
02:34:38,960 --> 02:34:45,359
belief that that was an illegal um

3321
02:34:42,800 --> 02:34:45,840
option presented.

3322
02:34:45,359 --> 02:34:48,880
» I still

3323
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:51,600
» It was not il it was not illegal because

3324
02:34:48,880 --> 02:34:56,080
it would have been illegal if that was a

3325
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:59,359
tax if we were proposing a tax as that

3326
02:34:56,080 --> 02:35:01,120
had not been referred to the voters yet.

3327
02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:03,040
» It was just a fee.

3328
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:04,960
» It's a fee. It's not a tax. And actually

3329
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:06,880
to be clear, I don't think council has

3330
02:35:04,960 --> 02:35:08,800
had any discussion on the record of

3331
02:35:06,880 --> 02:35:10,560
this. So in my mind, I put a zero

3332
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:12,720
probability right now. And so I like

3333
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:14,399
that it's been the revenues have been

3334
02:35:12,720 --> 02:35:17,359
removed from this because now there's no

3335
02:35:14,399 --> 02:35:19,680
concern of a phantom revenue in my mind.

3336
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:22,240
But now there's a concern of you can't

3337
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:24,000
sustain the funding. So

3338
02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:26,960
» Well, I guess

3339
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:28,399
like So now we're not discussing a full

3340
02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:28,800
here. We're discussing six months

3341
02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:29,359
budget.

3342
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:31,680
» Yeah, we are.

3343
02:35:29,359 --> 02:35:34,000
» Well, I I we are discussing an annual

3344
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:36,720
budget. Let's be clear. But what we're

3345
02:35:34,000 --> 02:35:38,880
being told is they're going to spend at

3346
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:41,200
a high rate in the first 6 months and a

3347
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:42,880
low rate in the second six months unless

3348
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:46,720
there's a supplemental budget to bring

3349
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:49,439
the rate constant across the full year.

3350
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:52,000
» Yeah, that's what we've been told. And I

3351
02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:53,040
I don't think that that's it's not

3352
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:55,359
clear.

3353
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:56,800
» It's not clearly illegal in my mind. I

3354
02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:59,200
understand it's not clear. And I might

3355
02:35:56,800 --> 02:36:02,160
want to open up debate and say, "Well,

3356
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:04,479
» Why why plan to get rid of 13 in

3357
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:06,399
November if you could take out six right

3358
02:36:04,479 --> 02:36:08,640
now and level the whole year out?" Yes.

3359
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:09,840
» Or you could or you could ramp down. You

3360
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:12,000
could say, "We're going to we're going

3361
02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:13,680
to start where we are. We're going to

3362
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:15,359
stair step it." I think there's a lot of

3363
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:18,000
ways to approach this,

3364
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:19,760
» But the total dollars here, I think

3365
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:22,080
maybe this isn't even cutting enough to

3366
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:23,600
get where we need to go. I think I had

3367
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:27,040
heard

3368
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:29,760
a mention of of trying to cut maybe

3369
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:30,560
another million beyond that. Uh what I

3370
02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:33,040
gather from

3371
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:34,160
» Only has a% is it a 3% reserve?

3372
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:34,960
» Five.

3373
02:36:34,160 --> 02:36:36,960
» Yeah.

3374
02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:39,600
» Which I I would like to address that and

3375
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:43,120
say this city is one step away from a

3376
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:44,560
giant catastrophe from a small expense.

3377
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:47,600
» Absolutely.

3378
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:50,160
» Yeah. And that reserve I think is very

3379
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:54,439
much underappreciated today. And putting

3380
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:54,439
it at that level is irresponsible.

3381
02:36:54,880 --> 02:36:59,200
So I would actually propose further cuts

3382
02:36:57,200 --> 02:37:01,920
so that we could start to restore some

3383
02:36:59,200 --> 02:37:03,359
of that reserve funding. In fact, I do

3384
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:06,000
think we may need to find another

3385
02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:08,800
million dollars on top of this.

3386
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:10,479
» I I am along the research I've done. I'm

3387
02:37:08,800 --> 02:37:11,840
along the lines thinking you are.

3388
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:15,280
» The money isn't there and that's an

3389
02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:18,479
issue. the the revenues don't exist and

3390
02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:20,880
so we must make cuts and

3391
02:37:18,479 --> 02:37:23,600
wreck and library are off the table at

3392
02:37:20,880 --> 02:37:25,200
this point according to what we all

3393
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:28,560
unanimously agreed to in the last

3394
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:30,240
meeting. So to be constructive, you

3395
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:32,640
know, we

3396
02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:34,399
I I think we need to get down to a

3397
02:37:32,640 --> 02:37:36,240
proposal. Do we have

3398
02:37:34,399 --> 02:37:37,680
» Anyone who's proposing a change to this

3399
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:39,200
number rather than just a line of

3400
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:41,600
questioning?

3401
02:37:39,200 --> 02:37:43,040
Do we have any proposals to adjust any

3402
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:44,800
of these numbers?

3403
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:48,319
» I want to go back over what you were

3404
02:37:44,800 --> 02:37:49,040
thinking at six now and then we don't

3405
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,319
have to worry about

3406
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:53,200
» Well, I'm not splitting it in half.

3407
02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:55,120
Maybe it's six and a half. Yeah. Because

3408
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:55,920
I don't like to see us set oursel up for

3409
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:58,399
failure, right?

3410
02:37:55,920 --> 02:38:01,200
» And I purposely I I work in statistics.

3411
02:37:58,399 --> 02:38:03,520
The probability of getting this fee in

3412
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:04,240
November right now is very near zero in

3413
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:06,960
my

3414
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:08,560
» It's essentially zero

3415
02:38:06,960 --> 02:38:10,240
» And we can't we can't have

3416
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:11,680
» And so let's be eyes wide open and say

3417
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:13,359
would we rather live

3418
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:15,280
» No patrol no patrol

3419
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:17,200
» And that's not a place we want to be and

3420
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:18,880
so I would rather say we're not going to

3421
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:22,160
have night patrol or we're going to have

3422
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:23,840
lighter staff or we're going to say

3423
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:27,120
you know there's there's got to be some

3424
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:28,240
way to adjust the schedule because we

3425
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:28,640
don't want to get to the place where

3426
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:29,200
there's

3427
02:38:28,640 --> 02:38:30,479
» I did

3428
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:33,600
» Twothirds of the force

3429
02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:35,600
» Four chiefs before everybody blew up

3430
02:38:33,600 --> 02:38:38,479
even though I like I want to be clear on

3431
02:38:35,600 --> 02:38:40,000
record that I am intimidated to talk

3432
02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:42,160
» Made that

3433
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:44,560
» Overnight you were going to answer that

3434
02:38:42,160 --> 02:38:47,359
question I was unable to email the city

3435
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:49,200
because of what's going on you said that

3436
02:38:47,359 --> 02:38:51,680
there was no overnight coverage for a

3437
02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:54,399
certain period of time how many hours

3438
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:56,240
was that did the city operate okay what

3439
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:58,160
kind of crime went on you were you were

3440
02:38:56,240 --> 02:39:00,720
going to bring that to us. So, I'm just

3441
02:38:58,160 --> 02:39:02,000
curious what you found during that time.

3442
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:03,920
» When you say overnights, you're

3443
02:39:02,000 --> 02:39:05,280
referring to night shift over the last

3444
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:06,399
» You said that there was no overnight

3445
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,840
coverage.

3446
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:11,520
» There were certain periods of time where

3447
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:12,880
there was not overnight coverage.

3448
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:15,040
I don't have the metrics for you. I

3449
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:16,800
don't have the raw numbers for you. Uh I

3450
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:19,520
view this is just want to preface this

3451
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:21,600
on overnight coverage.

3452
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:23,600
Imagine it as if it's an insurance

3453
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:26,720
policy that if something negative or

3454
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:28,319
adverse does happen during you want to

3455
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:30,000
have the availability for staff to

3456
02:39:28,319 --> 02:39:32,720
either respond that are actively working

3457
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:34,399
or on an on call status. Now ne e either

3458
02:39:32,720 --> 02:39:37,120
each one of those options comes with a

3459
02:39:34,399 --> 02:39:39,840
cost and what we did is we're currently

3460
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:41,439
at 24 hours a day 7-day a week coverage

3461
02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:44,640
right now. We're just running at minimum

3462
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:47,120
staffing every single day. uh this has

3463
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:48,640
significantly limited our overtime costs

3464
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:52,240
now that we actually have sufficient

3465
02:39:48,640 --> 02:39:54,399
staffing on the road. We remove that. Um

3466
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:56,479
that is part of a broader question that

3467
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:58,000
I'll have to go back to council and the

3468
02:39:56,479 --> 02:40:00,080
city administrator to go how are we

3469
02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:02,080
going to address gaps in coverage that

3470
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:05,200
may exist if we reduce our staffing by

3471
02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:06,319
six officers or 12 or 13 whatever that

3472
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:08,399
number has to be.

3473
02:40:06,319 --> 02:40:10,080
» Correct. And that's why I'm asking this.

3474
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:12,640
So,

3475
02:40:10,080 --> 02:40:15,920
was there I mean, was it catastrophic

3476
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:17,680
not having overnight coverage? Because I

3477
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:19,040
I know a little bit about poling. We've

3478
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,920
already discussed this. You and I have

3479
02:40:19,040 --> 02:40:22,399
passed.

3480
02:40:19,920 --> 02:40:24,880
» Would it help

3481
02:40:22,399 --> 02:40:26,399
with that if we did not have overnight

3482
02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:27,760
coverage in St. Helens for a period of

3483
02:40:26,399 --> 02:40:30,880
time?

3484
02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:32,720
Well, it's it's okay until that one time

3485
02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:36,720
and and that's where that's where it's

3486
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:38,080
part of a broader policy discussion with

3487
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:40,720
cost of overnight coverage. Maybe that's

3488
02:40:38,080 --> 02:40:42,720
way to put it in FTE. So, we've got, you

3489
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,479
know, is it two? Is it five?

3490
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:45,280
» You have to have two on duty personnel

3491
02:40:44,479 --> 02:40:45,600
at a time.

3492
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:47,280
» Two.

3493
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:48,560
» So, there's two FTEEs that you have to

3494
02:40:47,280 --> 02:40:50,399
have working

3495
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:51,920
» OT too. They want OT.

3496
02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:53,120
» Well, I understand there's OT. I just

3497
02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:57,280
want to get to the OT.

3498
02:40:53,120 --> 02:41:00,880
» No, it again, Mr. Oski, we spent 240

3499
02:40:57,280 --> 02:41:03,280
hours a month on overtime to cover

3500
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:06,960
24-hour shifts because we did not have

3501
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:11,680
the personnel to stay at 24 hours. So,

3502
02:41:06,960 --> 02:41:14,880
we spent 14 to 16 months spending 240

3503
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:16,960
hours a month in overtime just to cover

3504
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:19,359
shifts. That's where the overtime

3505
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:21,760
expense came from. That's why it's so

3506
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:24,560
blown out and skewed. It was council's

3507
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:26,080
direction to have 24-hour coverage.

3508
02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:27,359
That's what it cost.

3509
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:29,920
» Well, sounds like we can reduce

3510
02:41:27,359 --> 02:41:31,840
» That. Is that right? I don't know.

3511
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:33,920
» That is true. Council directed,

3512
02:41:31,840 --> 02:41:36,960
» But you know, but right now we we don't

3513
02:41:33,920 --> 02:41:39,439
have that with shift coverage. What we

3514
02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:41,600
have right now is we have issues with

3515
02:41:39,439 --> 02:41:44,399
anybody because we're at minimums every

3516
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:46,479
day but Wednesday. If somebody calls in

3517
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:48,800
sick, that's overtime that has to fill

3518
02:41:46,479 --> 02:41:51,280
in. If somebody has scheduled training,

3519
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:53,680
that's overtime that has to fill in. So

3520
02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:55,840
getting if they have court, that's over

3521
02:41:53,680 --> 02:41:58,720
time. If they have training, that's

3522
02:41:55,840 --> 02:42:01,600
overtime. If they're doing background,

3523
02:41:58,720 --> 02:42:02,080
» I already

3524
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:04,240
ask

3525
02:42:02,080 --> 02:42:07,920
» Six officers gets you. Everybody's

3526
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:11,120
working 5'8. You get coverage from 8 to

3527
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:14,319
4, 4 to midnight. No coverage at all

3528
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:17,200
from midnight.

3529
02:42:14,319 --> 02:42:20,800
budget and I'm asking you

3530
02:42:17,200 --> 02:42:23,840
» That jobs if we did that

3531
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:25,920
» And how much fallout was there was there

3532
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:27,680
a lot of crimes during the night

3533
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:28,960
» We we average between those hours and

3534
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:31,120
Doug jumped in here I think it was

3535
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:33,680
between five and 10 calls for service a

3536
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:35,439
week but you're I also want to tell you

3537
02:42:33,680 --> 02:42:37,359
from experience I have been that

3538
02:42:35,439 --> 02:42:39,280
graveyard officer that responded on an

3539
02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:42,319
active shooter at a residence before and

3540
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:43,520
you're right the issue we've why I say

3541
02:42:42,319 --> 02:42:45,920
this is a policy

3542
02:42:43,520 --> 02:42:47,760
decision is if we make the decision that

3543
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:49,920
we are not going to have officers on

3544
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:52,080
duty for eight hours at a time on night

3545
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:53,359
shift, seven days at Wim, we're making

3546
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:54,479
the decision we're not going to pay

3547
02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:56,800
overtime. We're not going to have

3548
02:42:54,479 --> 02:42:59,040
officers on call. So when we do have an

3549
02:42:56,800 --> 02:43:00,800
adverse event, there may be no sworn

3550
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:02,960
officer working in the county to

3551
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:04,399
respond. There may be nobody working

3552
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:06,080
with the state police, no county

3553
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:07,359
deputies that are on duty, and no St.

3554
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:09,600
Helens officers on duty.

3555
02:43:07,359 --> 02:43:10,800
» There may be, but is it likely? Are you

3556
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:12,080
telling me the county doesn't have

3557
02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:13,920
cover?

3558
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:15,359
» To have I I just met with Sheriff Pixley

3559
02:43:13,920 --> 02:43:16,960
this morning. There is the potential

3560
02:43:15,359 --> 02:43:18,800
that there will be periods of time in

3561
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:21,760
the near future where there may not be a

3562
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:23,359
guarantee of tw of 24-hour 7-day a week

3563
02:43:21,760 --> 02:43:26,319
coverage by the sheriff's office. It is

3564
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:27,280
a it is a a risk. The question is the

3565
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:30,720
reason why

3566
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:33,520
» Have you explaining coverage by chance?

3567
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,120
That's going to require a lot of

3568
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:36,640
discussions, high level discussions with

3569
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:38,319
the sheriff's office and the Scapoo

3570
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:40,479
Police Department because it would

3571
02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:42,720
probably require an incredibly close

3572
02:43:40,479 --> 02:43:44,960
integration of all three departments.

3573
02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:47,279
» I I hear that you're quite integrated uh

3574
02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:49,760
today supporting each other in various

3575
02:43:47,279 --> 02:43:50,399
ways. So, it seems like maybe a

3576
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:52,000
potential option.

3577
02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:55,040
» Well, there there's a difference between

3578
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:55,920
supporting each other and taking over

3579
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:58,240
our responsibilities.

3580
02:43:55,920 --> 02:43:59,040
» Talking about that's going to be the

3581
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:00,640
ultimate.

3582
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:02,800
» Okay, hold on. We got a few different

3583
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,680
conversations going here. Let's let's

3584
02:44:02,800 --> 02:44:04,319
bring it together.

3585
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:05,359
» The numbers.

3586
02:44:04,319 --> 02:44:06,319
» That's what we're asking.

3587
02:44:05,359 --> 02:44:08,240
» Mayor, will you repeat?

3588
02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:11,200
» Yeah. I'm just what I'm getting lost on

3589
02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:12,640
is the the budget that was given the the

3590
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:15,040
chief obviously worked with Florian on

3591
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:16,399
is 1 million 369.

3592
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:18,000
» That's what it budget is. He's got to

3593
02:44:16,399 --> 02:44:19,439
figure out how to make that work. Why

3594
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:20,560
are we discussing? I guess the

3595
02:44:19,439 --> 02:44:22,000
» For six months.

3596
02:44:20,560 --> 02:44:22,479
» Well, wait. Yeah, we're we're not there

3597
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:24,240
yet.

3598
02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:26,640
» I tend to agree that we need to set the

3599
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:28,880
number and that's the primary objective

3600
02:44:26,640 --> 02:44:30,479
here is to get the the budget set. I

3601
02:44:28,880 --> 02:44:33,040
think with secondary piece we're getting

3602
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:35,120
caught up in is trying to understand

3603
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:38,560
» How those funds will be utilized

3604
02:44:35,120 --> 02:44:40,160
relative to staffing and time. Now

3605
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:42,720
» We're not making any progress on the

3606
02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:44,000
dollars if I I don't know where this

3607
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:46,240
line of question is going to lead us to

3608
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:48,800
find more this point. So I think we need

3609
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:50,080
to come back to this and and actually

3610
02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:51,760
» Just trying to because I thought you

3611
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:53,200
when I came back I thought you said

3612
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,800
that's what you had for six months.

3613
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:57,359
» This is the year.

3614
02:44:54,800 --> 02:44:59,200
» No, it's for the year.

3615
02:44:57,359 --> 02:45:01,359
This is a it's an annual budget.

3616
02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:03,760
» Okay. So So there Okay, I get it. Yeah.

3617
02:45:01,359 --> 02:45:06,240
» So So actually Steve, I for instance,

3618
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:08,560
and I I I think you were targeting a

3619
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:11,680
lower number for the police budget in

3620
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:13,200
your mind from uh what I understood and

3621
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:15,120
so

3622
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:15,760
5% but you're not comfortable with it.

3623
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:18,560
That's the

3624
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:21,040
» I am not comfortable with the 5%.

3625
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:23,279
» And I I think we're well below the

3626
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:25,200
target of 20% in the fund. We've been

3627
02:45:23,279 --> 02:45:28,479
below it and we have a history of

3628
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:30,399
robbing the fund. So, it's empty. We got

3629
02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:31,040
to start filling it back up.

3630
02:45:30,399 --> 02:45:32,640
» Um,

3631
02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:34,640
» What's your comfort level?

3632
02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:36,880
» I'd like to see it at 20.

3633
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:39,840
» Well, let's let that's that's gonna be

3634
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:41,760
» It's not, but I'm saying I would like to

3635
02:45:39,840 --> 02:45:43,439
see it at 20. I work as an actuary who

3636
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:46,319
reserves for insurance companies and

3637
02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:47,520
insurance policies. This is taking on a

3638
02:45:46,319 --> 02:45:49,840
lot of risk for the city.

3639
02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:50,160
» 6% last year, I believe. Yeah, last

3640
02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:52,240
year.

3641
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:54,560
» Yeah. And we just got furlows and didn't

3642
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:57,200
make it through this year essentially.

3643
02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:59,200
So six was not enough.

3644
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:01,760
» Well, I mean, we got to weigh out what

3645
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:03,680
the the possibility, right, of

3646
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:06,800
» The office

3647
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:08,960
is closed right now and people people

3648
02:46:06,800 --> 02:46:11,279
were laid off and

3649
02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:13,840
» We can't staff the front desk full-time

3650
02:46:11,279 --> 02:46:15,600
for normal business hours.

3651
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:16,640
» I mean, the doors are closed tomorrow.

3652
02:46:15,600 --> 02:46:19,920
» That's just a fact.

3653
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:21,040
» They will be closed.

3654
02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:23,120
So,

3655
02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:24,399
» And and so you can give me a strange

3656
02:46:23,120 --> 02:46:26,080
look and act like I'm a bad guy because

3657
02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:27,600
I want 20% reserve. I

3658
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:29,200
» Think we all want that, but it's just

3659
02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:31,040
not there's not enough money. This is

3660
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:33,600
years and years making of

3661
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:35,680
» I understand and it's but it it you have

3662
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:38,080
to draw a line somewhere and say,

3663
02:46:35,680 --> 02:46:38,720
» But I also look at the potential draw

3664
02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:40,960
somewhere.

3665
02:46:38,720 --> 02:46:42,399
» How about let's just go we go to page

3666
02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:43,359
one of this.

3667
02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:44,399
» That's fine.

3668
02:46:43,359 --> 02:46:50,560
» Let's do it.

3669
02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:52,560
» Do what we can or find what we can. Um,

3670
02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:53,920
admin 100.

3671
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:55,600
» What are you gonna cut? There's two

3672
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:56,560
FTEEs.

3673
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:59,920
» John, maybe

3674
02:46:56,560 --> 02:47:02,160
» It's almost

3675
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:03,680
I I looked at it. I looked at the admin

3676
02:47:02,160 --> 02:47:05,920
line to see if there was something

3677
02:47:03,680 --> 02:47:08,319
because as a government shrinks, if the

3678
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:10,319
admin doesn't, the overhead is growing

3679
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:13,120
as a percentage, but I I don't see what

3680
02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:16,399
you would cut there.

3681
02:47:13,120 --> 02:47:19,279
» Stipen 675. I think that's a possibility

3682
02:47:16,399 --> 02:47:20,800
of an adjustment. Um it's a very small

3683
02:47:19,279 --> 02:47:23,040
number relative to the gap in the

3684
02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:25,760
budget. However,

3685
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:28,160
uh would you find anything since you've

3686
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:30,880
been through this? I mean you I mean I I

3687
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:34,319
think that if we

3688
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:35,840
if we look at you know that we you know

3689
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:39,200
one one of the public comments was we

3690
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:40,399
have some heavy salaries top up top.

3691
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:41,760
Maybe that's something we should look

3692
02:47:40,399 --> 02:47:44,560
at. I don't know how much that would

3693
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:47,560
save us. What

3694
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:47,560
Well,

3695
02:47:47,600 --> 02:47:51,120
» I don't know how how we're going to look

3696
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:54,240
at it here and and make any action. We

3697
02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:56,080
can give a lower budget number. Uh,

3698
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:57,680
» But are are you asking us to direct to

3699
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:59,439
fire certain people or

3700
02:47:57,680 --> 02:48:01,680
» Certainly not. I'm not talking about

3701
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:02,800
individuals at all. I'm just talking

3702
02:48:01,680 --> 02:48:04,720
about how we can

3703
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:06,880
» I don't say are we practically take any

3704
02:48:04,720 --> 02:48:09,920
action on that as a budget committee.

3705
02:48:06,880 --> 02:48:14,160
» How about I honestly

3706
02:48:09,920 --> 02:48:17,520
I think I think a 20% reserve sounds

3707
02:48:14,160 --> 02:48:19,760
appropriately conservative and actuarial

3708
02:48:17,520 --> 02:48:20,080
uh actuarily

3709
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:22,640
uh

3710
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:25,040
» We call it a a a provision for adverse

3711
02:48:22,640 --> 02:48:27,040
deviation or a pad. You need to have

3712
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:28,720
some pad, right? We're living

3713
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:30,560
month-to-month, so to speak, at

3714
02:48:28,720 --> 02:48:32,240
expenses. You know, just as the revenues

3715
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:34,160
come in, even if these revenues get

3716
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:37,279
lumpy, I'm not sure what happens if the

3717
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:40,080
bank account goes a chance if then

3718
02:48:37,279 --> 02:48:41,600
there, you know, then then there's

3719
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:44,479
others that may take risk. And why don't

3720
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:45,600
we take a chance at 10%.

3721
02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:48,160
10% reserves.

3722
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:48,399
» I am more comfortable with 10 than five.

3723
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:51,680
I

3724
02:48:48,399 --> 02:48:54,880
» Well, we did exceed and I'm thinking I

3725
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:56,800
just think 20% is going to be very

3726
02:48:54,880 --> 02:49:00,160
challenging

3727
02:48:56,800 --> 02:49:02,240
for us to

3728
02:49:00,160 --> 02:49:04,160
you what we went over this year and I'm

3729
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:05,760
thinking maybe through some of these

3730
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:09,120
discussions

3731
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:11,600
the emphasis of staying on budget is

3732
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:14,160
going to be something that will keep

3733
02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:16,720
people awake at night

3734
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:18,960
um because what happened is this year we

3735
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:21,680
went over budget and there were

3736
02:49:18,960 --> 02:49:23,279
consequences. Well, you know, with that

3737
02:49:21,680 --> 02:49:26,560
sort of line of thinking, we could aim

3738
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:28,960
for a 0% and say if the fiscal

3739
02:49:26,560 --> 02:49:30,000
recklessness emerges, it will certainly

3740
02:49:28,960 --> 02:49:31,760
hurt.

3741
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:34,319
» Well, I think that the test is this

3742
02:49:31,760 --> 02:49:36,880
that, you know, we've had two votes of

3743
02:49:34,319 --> 02:49:38,800
no on appropriations.

3744
02:49:36,880 --> 02:49:42,800
And I think the concern from the public

3745
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:45,279
is is management. We want to see people

3746
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:47,120
tighten belts. So, we want to see people

3747
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:50,560
stay in their budgets. Sure. Then come

3748
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:52,560
to us after you've done what after

3749
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:54,319
you've shown us that you can manage the

3750
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:57,359
money

3751
02:49:54,319 --> 02:50:00,240
then come to us and say we need more

3752
02:49:57,359 --> 02:50:01,439
people will probably be more willing to

3753
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,520
part with some of their hardearned

3754
02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:05,040
dollars. I mean there are a lot of

3755
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:06,720
people in this town that just can't

3756
02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:08,800
afford anymore. And then there are some

3757
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:11,040
people that I don't know why people vote

3758
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:14,000
the way they do but certainly if we say

3759
02:50:11,040 --> 02:50:16,800
hey look every single department came

3760
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:19,760
within its budget. This is what it

3761
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:21,200
looked like. Can we have more? They say

3762
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:23,200
yes.

3763
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:25,439
» Right. Well, on that line of thinking,

3764
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:29,120
why don't we talk about some budgets

3765
02:50:25,439 --> 02:50:31,279
that are not uh staying in budget? One

3766
02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:35,600
of them being tourism. I I think tourism

3767
02:50:31,279 --> 02:50:37,680
is a drag to the general fun

3768
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:39,439
» And I would propose that we should not

3769
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:42,640
we should not allow oursel to be taking

3770
02:50:39,439 --> 02:50:45,600
losses. And uh I I I find it confusing

3771
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:47,279
that the tourism is paying $100,000 to

3772
02:50:45,600 --> 02:50:51,439
the general fund while the general fund

3773
02:50:47,279 --> 02:50:52,000
is taking off on tourism if I understand

3774
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:54,640
it correct.

3775
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:56,240
» No, German general fund is separate of

3776
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:58,319
the tourism fund

3777
02:50:56,240 --> 02:50:59,439
» But it made a loan of 500,000 that

3778
02:50:58,319 --> 02:51:01,279
hasn't been repaid.

3779
02:50:59,439 --> 02:51:01,680
» General fund did not make a loan to

3780
02:51:01,279 --> 02:51:02,960
tourism.

3781
02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:05,120
» I think that's misinformation. It's

3782
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:07,439
sometimes a problem that we have that it

3783
02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:08,800
was misinformation. So, what I do know

3784
02:51:07,439 --> 02:51:11,120
there's there's a hundred there's a

3785
02:51:08,800 --> 02:51:12,640
$100,000 that comes out of tourism and

3786
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:13,279
goes to the general fund. That much is

3787
02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:13,920
true, right?

3788
02:51:13,279 --> 02:51:16,960
» That's true.

3789
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:20,080
» That's true. Okay. And the tourism

3790
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:22,640
operation alone had a net loss in the

3791
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:23,040
last year. Is that also true?

3792
02:51:22,640 --> 02:51:24,479
» Okay.

3793
02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:27,200
» Yes.

3794
02:51:24,479 --> 02:51:30,160
» So, they can't afford to pay the city

3795
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:32,720
that that general service charge unless

3796
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:33,279
they have reserves which are

3797
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:34,880
» Our contract

3798
02:51:33,279 --> 02:51:36,399
» Depleted or going to be depleted. That's

3799
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:41,520
right. Yeah, our contract with the

3800
02:51:36,399 --> 02:51:43,279
tourism vendor is we will essentially

3801
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:45,279
pay your losses. We're going to cover

3802
02:51:43,279 --> 02:51:47,520
them so they can spend money. We have no

3803
02:51:45,279 --> 02:51:49,359
budget from them and they can spend

3804
02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:51,120
money as they

3805
02:51:49,359 --> 02:51:55,359
» I I don't think we should tolerate any

3806
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:57,120
loss of any sort on on a tourism.

3807
02:51:55,359 --> 02:51:59,040
» I think we need to re in their expenses

3808
02:51:57,120 --> 02:52:01,439
big time because I am very concerned

3809
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:02,560
that if we don't I uh there's two

3810
02:52:01,439 --> 02:52:04,880
things. If we're going to shift the

3811
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:07,680
focus to tourism a little bit, I think

3812
02:52:04,880 --> 02:52:11,760
that we should reduce

3813
02:52:07,680 --> 02:52:14,160
their budget on what they can spend. And

3814
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:16,160
number two, I think we should in without

3815
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:19,760
them in say we want a bigger pick on

3816
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:22,240
your ticket sales because

3817
02:52:19,760 --> 02:52:27,200
it make about $165,000

3818
02:52:22,240 --> 02:52:28,399
on the $5 per. And so maybe we should we

3819
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:29,680
shouldn't raise the price of the

3820
02:52:28,399 --> 02:52:31,200
tickets, but we should get a bigger

3821
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:33,040
piece of it.

3822
02:52:31,200 --> 02:52:35,200
because then we can look 300,000.

3823
02:52:33,040 --> 02:52:38,560
» It's a fine idea, but we're here to set

3824
02:52:35,200 --> 02:52:40,800
a budget and and my concern my concern

3825
02:52:38,560 --> 02:52:42,399
is the loss here is probably worth half

3826
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:45,120
an officer or more.

3827
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:47,600
» What is the what is the contract? Is

3828
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:48,720
there any is a contract? I don't recall

3829
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:49,520
what

3830
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:51,439
» I don't

3831
02:52:49,520 --> 02:52:54,160
» That we

3832
02:52:51,439 --> 02:52:57,279
are they specific requirement?

3833
02:52:54,160 --> 02:53:00,279
» Um John can answer those contract

3834
02:52:57,279 --> 02:53:00,279
questions.

3835
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:01,760
right now.

3836
02:53:01,520 --> 02:53:03,439
» No.

3837
02:53:01,760 --> 02:53:06,720
» Well, I mean it's it's coming it's

3838
02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:07,920
coming up and is what are we obligated

3839
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:08,479
contractually?

3840
02:53:07,920 --> 02:53:10,240
» Oh,

3841
02:53:08,479 --> 02:53:12,319
» Yeah. The contractor is required to

3842
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:14,399
provide a budget to the city. They have

3843
02:53:12,319 --> 02:53:17,279
and we've talked and talked about

3844
02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:21,960
reducing expenses and they have

3845
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:21,960
» Where's the budgets? I haven't seen

3846
02:53:26,080 --> 02:53:29,680
» If it's in our fund. I I just want to

3847
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:31,600
reduce I just want honestly I've seen

3848
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:32,640
their I've seen their P&Ls two years

3849
02:53:31,600 --> 02:53:34,399
over

3850
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:36,960
» I've seen the way they spend our money.

3851
02:53:34,399 --> 02:53:40,000
» Why don't we say this? This year we need

3852
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:42,880
to claw back the loss from last year.

3853
02:53:40,000 --> 02:53:44,800
» Period. So we're looking for $180,000

3854
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:46,479
from the best.

3855
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:48,479
» Well, that's not it.

3856
02:53:46,479 --> 02:53:50,240
» If that sinks the program, it's a losing

3857
02:53:48,479 --> 02:53:52,319
endeavor. So either we're deciding to

3858
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:53,680
invest in a losing endeavor

3859
02:53:52,319 --> 02:53:55,359
» Or we're putting our foot down and

3860
02:53:53,680 --> 02:53:56,800
drawing a line. I don't want to risk I

3861
02:53:55,359 --> 02:53:58,640
don't want to risk us taking a half a

3862
02:53:56,800 --> 02:54:00,720
million hit. I think that we should tell

3863
02:53:58,640 --> 02:54:02,240
them this is your limit on your

3864
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:03,760
expenditures and you need to stay.

3865
02:54:02,240 --> 02:54:05,600
» We already took a half million hit. The

3866
02:54:03,760 --> 02:54:07,439
the loan was made from somewhere but

3867
02:54:05,600 --> 02:54:10,080
very unlikely to ever be received.

3868
02:54:07,439 --> 02:54:12,240
» Right. But this year this year we have a

3869
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:16,160
$1.6

3870
02:54:12,240 --> 02:54:17,760
million budget that that they can spend.

3871
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:20,240
We're telling the shorter people they

3872
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:24,160
can spend 1.6

3873
02:54:20,240 --> 02:54:25,520
million bucks or more. Um, and I'm

3874
02:54:24,160 --> 02:54:27,200
saying we shouldn't tell them you can

3875
02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:29,040
spend that much. You we should tell them

3876
02:54:27,200 --> 02:54:32,319
you can spend

3877
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:34,399
way less, like 900,000, 800,000, get the

3878
02:54:32,319 --> 02:54:36,080
program done for less because in the

3879
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:39,359
event we don't have the kind of revenues

3880
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:41,680
that we hope we do, then we aren't

3881
02:54:39,359 --> 02:54:44,240
taking a big loss. Well, but most of the

3882
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:46,720
revenues are driven by this this person

3883
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:49,279
running the the contractor because the

3884
02:54:46,720 --> 02:54:51,760
only revenues that I saw that seem

3885
02:54:49,279 --> 02:54:55,600
material and unattached directly to this

3886
02:54:51,760 --> 02:54:58,479
contract are the lodging tax fees, the

3887
02:54:55,600 --> 02:55:00,240
170k. And to me, it's just a shame that

3888
02:54:58,479 --> 02:55:01,760
we're we're getting that money as a tax

3889
02:55:00,240 --> 02:55:04,960
and then we're taking that amount in

3890
02:55:01,760 --> 02:55:07,279
loss, too. I mean, if we just had no

3891
02:55:04,960 --> 02:55:09,920
Halloween Town, we'd have plus 170K to

3892
02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:12,479
do something. Now, if we want to just

3893
02:55:09,920 --> 02:55:16,000
just bury the 170K into it and say it's

3894
02:55:12,479 --> 02:55:16,800
a net zero. It needs to always net zero,

3895
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:18,080
fine.

3896
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:20,240
» But but the thing is this.

3897
02:55:18,080 --> 02:55:23,040
» But I don't I don't like taking a loss.

3898
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:25,040
» If they go over, we will pay. That's our

3899
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:27,680
contract with them. That's that's the

3900
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:29,600
risk. If you're saying what is our risk

3901
02:55:27,680 --> 02:55:31,680
if we have let's just say we let's just

3902
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:33,120
say they spend a million dollars and we

3903
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:35,040
have 600,000 the tickets.

3904
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:35,520
» So we have a bad contract is what you're

3905
02:55:35,040 --> 02:55:37,680
saying.

3906
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:39,359
» We have the contract we have. How long

3907
02:55:37,680 --> 02:55:42,080
is the contract? Is it multi-year?

3908
02:55:39,359 --> 02:55:45,200
» It it should it's going to end this year

3909
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:48,160
and they will be eventually renewed.

3910
02:55:45,200 --> 02:55:50,960
» So,

3911
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:53,760
» Yes. Yes.

3912
02:55:50,960 --> 02:55:55,279
» Anyone else here? Counselor budget be

3913
02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:57,200
able to make a comment to whether

3914
02:55:55,279 --> 02:55:58,720
» It got extended through this year as I

3915
02:55:57,200 --> 02:55:59,439
request. Am I correct on that John?

3916
02:55:58,720 --> 02:56:00,479
» It goes to

3917
02:55:59,439 --> 02:56:01,680
» It was extended.

3918
02:56:00,479 --> 02:56:03,359
» Yes.

3919
02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:06,359
» With no change in terms

3920
02:56:03,359 --> 02:56:06,359
» Correct.

3921
02:56:06,640 --> 02:56:10,720
Yeah. I mean another

3922
02:56:08,960 --> 02:56:12,479
» Just like a just auto relief.

3923
02:56:10,720 --> 02:56:13,520
» I think they should all give us some

3924
02:56:12,479 --> 02:56:14,560
money. Let's do it again.

3925
02:56:13,520 --> 02:56:16,319
» Yeah. Exactly.

3926
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:18,720
» So the the challenge there is it came

3927
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:21,520
before my based on my recollection it

3928
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:23,279
came before council as a conditional

3929
02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:25,520
that approach. You know

3930
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:26,560
» Council has has to wait a year before

3931
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:28,720
you can take.

3932
02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:31,200
» I think we were also supposed to get the

3933
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:31,520
final numbers at that time for Halloween

3934
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:33,680
Town.

3935
02:56:31,520 --> 02:56:36,000
» So are we in track?

3936
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:36,640
» Yes. Okay. And let's cancel the

3937
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,720
contract.

3938
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:40,800
» That's

3939
02:56:38,720 --> 02:56:42,960
I just want to jump in real quick and I

3940
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:44,560
believe that this budget committee does

3941
02:56:42,960 --> 02:56:46,960
not have the authority to discuss

3942
02:56:44,560 --> 02:56:49,200
current contracts. That is within the

3943
02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:51,200
city council scope. So I think we should

3944
02:56:49,200 --> 02:56:52,720
get back on track.

3945
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:53,279
» We're making recommendations.

3946
02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:55,920
» Who is that?

3947
02:56:53,279 --> 02:56:57,279
» That's

3948
02:56:55,920 --> 02:56:58,479
barely absolutely can make

3949
02:56:57,279 --> 02:57:00,560
recommendations.

3950
02:56:58,479 --> 02:57:02,160
» Yeah. I I I don't think that we should

3951
02:57:00,560 --> 02:57:05,840
be talking about

3952
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:07,840
» I think that it would be my opinion is

3953
02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:09,760
» If we want to review the contract with

3954
02:57:07,840 --> 02:57:12,800
the tourism contractor that could be

3955
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:16,720
done by the council this year and decide

3956
02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:19,279
I think earlier to do an RFP this year

3957
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:23,439
our contractor is in full swing and is

3958
02:57:19,279 --> 02:57:25,520
preparing for our events this year

3959
02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:26,560
and just we can cancel the contract but

3960
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:28,160
I don't think that we should

3961
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:30,160
» I hear you but I what I'm also hearing

3962
02:57:28,160 --> 02:57:30,800
is We have no mechanism to control this

3963
02:57:30,160 --> 02:57:31,520
expense.

3964
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:33,680
» We do.

3965
02:57:31,520 --> 02:57:35,760
» Well, we don't not this year.

3966
02:57:33,680 --> 02:57:38,240
» We can tell them what. Put it this way.

3967
02:57:35,760 --> 02:57:40,240
There's two ways to go. We either say as

3968
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:43,279
a budget committee,

3969
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:46,160
you got a $1.6 million budget, you can

3970
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:49,279
spend that or we say you got a $900,000

3971
02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:51,279
budget or a $700,000 budget. I'd much

3972
02:57:49,279 --> 02:57:53,279
rather tell them they have a $700,000

3973
02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:56,560
budget and they have to stay within it

3974
02:57:53,279 --> 02:57:58,399
than to take a risk that if we have a

3975
02:57:56,560 --> 02:58:00,080
giant drop in revenues, we are going to

3976
02:57:58,399 --> 02:58:02,160
be end up beating half a million,

3977
02:58:00,080 --> 02:58:04,160
$600,000.

3978
02:58:02,160 --> 02:58:05,439
I don't want to tell them that they can

3979
02:58:04,160 --> 02:58:07,279
spend literally

3980
02:58:05,439 --> 02:58:08,800
» What are you proposing as a cost control

3981
02:58:07,279 --> 02:58:10,319
here?

3982
02:58:08,800 --> 02:58:11,600
» That we tell them what their budget is

3983
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:12,240
and that's what they they stay within

3984
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:14,399
it.

3985
02:58:12,240 --> 02:58:15,760
» I think that has no teeth. I'm not sure

3986
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:17,359
what you're saying.

3987
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:20,560
» Yeah.

3988
02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:22,560
either tell them how much we think they

3989
02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:24,160
should spend or we can tell them to

3990
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:26,479
spend 1.5 million

3991
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:27,439
» Or we can defund it and they won't have

3992
02:58:26,479 --> 02:58:31,760
anything to spend.

3993
02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:34,080
» Well, hold on one second. Um I, you

3994
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:35,760
know, honestly, I'm not for cancelling

3995
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:37,520
the tourism contract. I think that would

3996
02:58:35,760 --> 02:58:38,640
be a disaster. First of all, they're six

3997
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:39,760
months into the contract.

3998
02:58:38,640 --> 02:58:41,760
» So, you're comfortable with an outcome

3999
02:58:39,760 --> 02:58:44,479
that's either a loss of 200,000 or as

4000
02:58:41,760 --> 02:58:46,160
you say, maybe a loss of 500,000 when

4001
02:58:44,479 --> 02:58:49,120
you're thinking about it? No, I'm

4002
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:52,000
thinking that it's probable that we're

4003
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:55,200
going to probably have

4004
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:58,800
at least 600,000 in.

4005
02:58:55,200 --> 02:59:01,600
So, I think that I I mean that would be

4006
02:58:58,800 --> 02:59:05,040
the amount of last year. So, if we had

4007
02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:06,640
800,000 in income for ticket sales, I

4008
02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:09,279
don't think it's going to be as robust

4009
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:12,479
of an event as previous, which is why I

4010
02:59:09,279 --> 02:59:14,080
think we need to guard against it by

4011
02:59:12,479 --> 02:59:15,760
letting them know we want them to

4012
02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:18,399
control the cost in some way and have

4013
02:59:15,760 --> 02:59:20,720
them do it. And you're right, it doesn't

4014
02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:22,720
have any teeth, but come the end of the

4015
02:59:20,720 --> 02:59:24,960
year, if they end up going way over

4016
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:28,399
budget, we say we asked you to not spend

4017
02:59:24,960 --> 02:59:29,760
it, but you did. At least we can at

4018
02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:32,000
least we didn't tell them they could

4019
02:59:29,760 --> 02:59:34,000
spend one and a half million because

4020
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:37,680
when when we put this number out there,

4021
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:39,520
that's the number we put in our budget

4022
02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:44,080
for them.

4023
02:59:39,520 --> 02:59:45,920
And so that's that's the I anticipate

4024
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:46,880
revenues are going to be down. How much?

4025
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:49,439
I don't know.

4026
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:53,439
» Why not just

4027
02:59:49,439 --> 02:59:54,319
wouldn't we save that money? I mean, I'm

4028
02:59:53,439 --> 02:59:55,920
I'm confused why

4029
02:59:54,319 --> 02:59:57,920
» I'm not I'm just saying we should not

4030
02:59:55,920 --> 03:00:00,880
allow them a budget of one and a half

4031
02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:02,640
million. That's the point.

4032
03:00:00,880 --> 03:00:04,479
» Yeah, the money but the money is not

4033
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:06,399
coming from the general fund. Like I

4034
03:00:04,479 --> 03:00:10,240
like I mentioned, there's the tax, so

4035
03:00:06,399 --> 03:00:12,720
that that's valid. The rest of it are

4036
03:00:10,240 --> 03:00:14,240
» Charges at and around the event that are

4037
03:00:12,720 --> 03:00:15,920
generating the revenue. So, it's not

4038
03:00:14,240 --> 03:00:18,080
we're not handing a million dollars.

4039
03:00:15,920 --> 03:00:20,240
They're going to go collect it on our

4040
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:22,479
behalf and remit

4041
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:24,080
» The profit or loss, right? without the

4042
03:00:22,479 --> 03:00:26,319
money and the revenues we owe it under

4043
03:00:24,080 --> 03:00:28,560
the contract.

4044
03:00:26,319 --> 03:00:30,560
That is for sure. If I'm sitting here

4045
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:33,680
and so the contract says nothing about

4046
03:00:30,560 --> 03:00:36,240
turning a profit or or

4047
03:00:33,680 --> 03:00:38,399
» There are there are

4048
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:40,399
incentives for turning a profit, but

4049
03:00:38,399 --> 03:00:44,319
there's nothing in there saying to the

4050
03:00:40,399 --> 03:00:48,439
contractor that you are responsible for

4051
03:00:44,319 --> 03:00:48,439
overages of your budget.

4052
03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:51,600
we are responsible,

4053
03:00:50,800 --> 03:00:53,359
» Right?

4054
03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:55,920
» So then that only makes me believe we

4055
03:00:53,359 --> 03:00:57,040
need more of a uh more of a reserve

4056
03:00:55,920 --> 03:00:59,439
essentially. I think is what you're

4057
03:00:57,040 --> 03:01:02,319
arguing is that we have uncertainty. The

4058
03:00:59,439 --> 03:01:04,560
costs could get worse and so we need a

4059
03:01:02,319 --> 03:01:06,560
reserve.

4060
03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:09,439
» I just say we tell them to spend less

4061
03:01:06,560 --> 03:01:11,200
and hope that they they come out even

4062
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:12,319
somewhere, but we don't we are not

4063
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:14,080
risking a big loss.

4064
03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:16,160
» The range of expected outcomes here is

4065
03:01:14,080 --> 03:01:18,160
all in the loss side, right? And what

4066
03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:20,080
you're telling me is it may get worse.

4067
03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:21,439
You're not giving me any upside. You're

4068
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:22,640
saying it's actually likely.

4069
03:01:21,439 --> 03:01:25,439
» Let's just say if we have a million

4070
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:27,600
dollars in income, not not 600,000, that

4071
03:01:25,439 --> 03:01:29,359
would be 400,000 plus.

4072
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:31,200
» So now we're at a half million plus

4073
03:01:29,359 --> 03:01:35,240
loss. No,

4074
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:35,240
» We'd be making money then.

4075
03:01:35,279 --> 03:01:39,200
» I'm not convinced, but maybe I'm not

4076
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:41,520
following anything. But yeah,

4077
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:43,680
» The point is this. I do. We want to say

4078
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:45,040
you have $ 1.5 million budget. Do you

4079
03:01:43,680 --> 03:01:48,399
want to say we have an you have a

4080
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:51,279
$800,000 or $600,000 budget?

4081
03:01:48,399 --> 03:01:53,439
» That's really what we're talking about.

4082
03:01:51,279 --> 03:01:55,279
» It's I don't think that we're really

4083
03:01:53,439 --> 03:01:56,800
profiting from them much. Why can't we

4084
03:01:55,279 --> 03:01:58,000
just let them take that money? I mean,

4085
03:01:56,800 --> 03:01:59,439
obviously the police are having to work

4086
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:01,040
the events, too. Is there overtime

4087
03:01:59,439 --> 03:02:02,160
involved? I mean, why why don't if we're

4088
03:02:01,040 --> 03:02:04,160
talking about cutting things, why don't

4089
03:02:02,160 --> 03:02:07,040
we get rid of that's how you do your

4090
03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:10,160
bills at get rid of the the least

4091
03:02:07,040 --> 03:02:12,399
important right now type of thing. I I

4092
03:02:10,160 --> 03:02:14,479
don't see why we can't cut them. It's

4093
03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:15,040
something if we're growing and stuff we

4094
03:02:14,479 --> 03:02:17,359
start.

4095
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:19,520
» So I I hear you and I agree. However,

4096
03:02:17,359 --> 03:02:20,960
that revenue number is basically

4097
03:02:19,520 --> 03:02:23,040
somebody pulling it out of the air and

4098
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:26,240
saying this is what I think is going to

4099
03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:28,080
come in for ticket sales. Basically

4100
03:02:26,240 --> 03:02:28,880
» Out of the air. It's based on prior

4101
03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:31,359
performances.

4102
03:02:28,880 --> 03:02:33,120
» It's not a high probability estimate. It

4103
03:02:31,359 --> 03:02:34,640
may be based on past performance, but

4104
03:02:33,120 --> 03:02:36,560
past performance is not a guarantee.

4105
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:38,640
» You're not pulling it out of the air.

4106
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:40,399
» I'm saying there's there is estimation

4107
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:42,080
occurring here. Well, it's

4108
03:02:40,399 --> 03:02:44,160
» High level of estimation

4109
03:02:42,080 --> 03:02:45,120
» Based upon four years of data, five

4110
03:02:44,160 --> 03:02:46,640
years of data.

4111
03:02:45,120 --> 03:02:48,800
» Which year in the last five years did

4112
03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:51,520
they turn a profit?

4113
03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:54,240
» This company? None.

4114
03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:56,319
» And so if the past they haven't, why

4115
03:02:54,240 --> 03:02:57,520
would I expect they would in the future?

4116
03:02:56,319 --> 03:03:00,319
» Well, that's why I'm trying to guard

4117
03:02:57,520 --> 03:03:03,520
against it by not not saying you have

4118
03:03:00,319 --> 03:03:04,319
$1.5 million to spend. That's the point.

4119
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:06,160
» Steve,

4120
03:03:04,319 --> 03:03:07,040
» Do you know where those $ 1.5 million

4121
03:03:06,160 --> 03:03:09,200
are coming from?

4122
03:03:07,040 --> 03:03:11,600
» Um the community development. Well, put

4123
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:14,240
it this way. We haven't had to dig in

4124
03:03:11,600 --> 03:03:17,840
because what's happened in the past is

4125
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:20,080
revenues have come in to cover expenses.

4126
03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:22,080
That is what has occurred. The revenues

4127
03:03:20,080 --> 03:03:24,720
start coming in at about July, August,

4128
03:03:22,080 --> 03:03:29,439
September, October. That's when the real

4129
03:03:24,720 --> 03:03:31,600
expenses hit too. And so what occurs is

4130
03:03:29,439 --> 03:03:36,160
that the contractor

4131
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:40,240
plans, implements, makes expenditures

4132
03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:41,600
and then hopes that the party withdrew,

4133
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:42,000
people will come,

4134
03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:46,319
» Right?

4135
03:03:42,000 --> 03:03:47,680
» Do we know why they don't have a budget?

4136
03:03:46,319 --> 03:03:49,920
» And so

4137
03:03:47,680 --> 03:03:52,160
» And so right now they're in the process

4138
03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:54,960
of making plans. And so if we say to

4139
03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:56,640
them, look, we want less expenditure,

4140
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:57,200
maybe they'll figure out a way to manage

4141
03:03:56,640 --> 03:03:58,319
their budget.

4142
03:03:57,200 --> 03:03:59,920
» Well, let's think about it this way.

4143
03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:03,279
What's the loss we're willing to take

4144
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:04,479
annually on on this tourism budget?

4145
03:04:03,279 --> 03:04:07,520
» Zero.

4146
03:04:04,479 --> 03:04:08,960
» So, so if we're willing to take zero, we

4147
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:10,000
don't have a mechanism to get there

4148
03:04:08,960 --> 03:04:11,840
right now

4149
03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:13,600
» Because you would be phantom changing a

4150
03:04:11,840 --> 03:04:16,080
number because really it's in the hands

4151
03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:19,279
of a contractor. So, I I guess at this

4152
03:04:16,080 --> 03:04:21,120
point I would argue we're sitting here

4153
03:04:19,279 --> 03:04:24,720
bickering about something we can't

4154
03:04:21,120 --> 03:04:26,640
really affect. And I think maybe we just

4155
03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:29,040
set this aside and move on.

4156
03:04:26,640 --> 03:04:30,640
» Well, I disagree with that because I

4157
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:32,560
think it's different if we have a number

4158
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:33,840
on a piece of paper and somebody says

4159
03:04:32,560 --> 03:04:35,680
you got a budget of one and a half

4160
03:04:33,840 --> 03:04:36,399
million versus going to them saying

4161
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:38,240
Steve.

4162
03:04:36,399 --> 03:04:41,279
» What I'm not hearing is a proposal from

4163
03:04:38,240 --> 03:04:45,040
you and I propose that we

4164
03:04:41,279 --> 03:04:49,040
uh we cut

4165
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:51,040
the expenses

4166
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:53,520
that are estimated

4167
03:04:51,040 --> 03:04:56,640
materials and services to the in tourism

4168
03:04:53,520 --> 03:04:59,600
fund this year

4169
03:04:56,640 --> 03:05:02,560
that will cut the expenses

4170
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:07,319
for materials and services from 1.8

4171
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:07,319
million to $800,000

4172
03:05:07,920 --> 03:05:11,720
a cut of

4173
03:05:08,479 --> 03:05:11,720
» $1 million.

4174
03:05:11,760 --> 03:05:16,279
So, President Shelton, can you hear us?

4175
03:05:17,279 --> 03:05:20,279
Unmuted.

4176
03:05:22,319 --> 03:05:27,520
» Jason, she's not responding. She can

4177
03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:28,800
unmute herself.

4178
03:05:27,520 --> 03:05:30,800
» And that'll leave us with plenty of

4179
03:05:28,800 --> 03:05:32,720
money to pay them and pay their

4180
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:35,359
» She's the council liaison. I think that

4181
03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:36,800
she should weigh in.

4182
03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:38,560
» I don't I don't understand why we

4183
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:41,279
wouldn't just cut terrorism. We have

4184
03:05:38,560 --> 03:05:44,319
We're looking at having to cut police.

4185
03:05:41,279 --> 03:05:45,840
We're looking at the city offices are

4186
03:05:44,319 --> 03:05:47,840
closed. Like if we're gonna go through

4187
03:05:45,840 --> 03:05:49,520
and try to figure out how to save some

4188
03:05:47,840 --> 03:05:52,000
of the money, why are we not getting rid

4189
03:05:49,520 --> 03:05:54,479
of something instead of our employees?

4190
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:58,000
» I tell you why. Cutting tourism is just

4191
03:05:54,479 --> 03:05:59,760
as bad of a suggestion as saying that

4192
03:05:58,000 --> 03:06:02,000
we're not going to patrol during the day

4193
03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:04,880
because there are a lot of folks that

4194
03:06:02,000 --> 03:06:06,319
right now are consider to be a very

4195
03:06:04,880 --> 03:06:07,600
important part of their business

4196
03:06:06,319 --> 03:06:10,240
operations.

4197
03:06:07,600 --> 03:06:12,319
» That's not what I think. Well, you know,

4198
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:15,840
depends on who you talk to.

4199
03:06:12,319 --> 03:06:17,359
» And this is a this I just I think it'd

4200
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:18,880
be something definitely for the council

4201
03:06:17,359 --> 03:06:20,080
to hear and hear what people say. I

4202
03:06:18,880 --> 03:06:21,680
don't think we should just gut the

4203
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:23,680
program.

4204
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:25,680
» That that'd be quite a dramatic thing to

4205
03:06:23,680 --> 03:06:26,560
do and we're six months into the

4206
03:06:25,680 --> 03:06:27,520
contract. We probably

4207
03:06:26,560 --> 03:06:29,200
» But I mean, aren't you gutting the

4208
03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:29,760
program to fill a million out

4209
03:06:29,200 --> 03:06:31,279
effectively?

4210
03:06:29,760 --> 03:06:32,640
» They probably send us a huge stack of

4211
03:06:31,279 --> 03:06:34,880
bills and we'd probably end up losing

4212
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:36,000
three or $400,000 for canceling the

4213
03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:37,120
contract right now.

4214
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:38,960
» That sounds like a good deal.

4215
03:06:37,120 --> 03:06:42,080
» Jeremy, I have a question. like how how

4216
03:06:38,960 --> 03:06:43,840
much like cutting that down to 800 um

4217
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:47,120
what does that effect also have on the

4218
03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:51,359
general fund if any?

4219
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:54,640
» Uh it could affect how much um of the

4220
03:06:51,359 --> 03:06:56,160
actual general fund service

4221
03:06:54,640 --> 03:06:57,359
um support

4222
03:06:56,160 --> 03:06:57,600
» The GFS.

4223
03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:00,399
» Yeah.

4224
03:06:57,600 --> 03:07:04,399
» So 100,000 $100,000

4225
03:07:00,399 --> 03:07:07,279
» Right it could decrease that.

4226
03:07:04,399 --> 03:07:10,800
» Okay. So overall, like that is the

4227
03:07:07,279 --> 03:07:12,960
potential that could be a cost benefit

4228
03:07:10,800 --> 03:07:14,960
to the general fund is $100,000.

4229
03:07:12,960 --> 03:07:16,560
» Is there going to depend on the revenue?

4230
03:07:14,960 --> 03:07:19,359
» Is there important context to the

4231
03:07:16,560 --> 03:07:21,920
previous year being at budgeted at

4232
03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:24,640
300,000 then coming in at 200 and now

4233
03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:28,319
we're being 100 and the general fund

4234
03:07:24,640 --> 03:07:31,040
service fee charged. Um so the the

4235
03:07:28,319 --> 03:07:33,600
budget committee last year

4236
03:07:31,040 --> 03:07:38,720
um

4237
03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:42,479
proposed that um the events the

4238
03:07:38,720 --> 03:07:44,720
contracted events would um support a

4239
03:07:42,479 --> 03:07:47,040
$300,000

4240
03:07:44,720 --> 03:07:49,439
um

4241
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:55,000
GFSS to the general fund.

4242
03:07:49,439 --> 03:07:55,000
» Okay. Um we because of

4243
03:07:56,800 --> 03:08:04,240
because it's um

4244
03:08:00,080 --> 03:08:05,760
that it didn't perform like it was

4245
03:08:04,240 --> 03:08:08,479
» Budgeted

4246
03:08:05,760 --> 03:08:09,920
» Because they overspent. Um we had to

4247
03:08:08,479 --> 03:08:11,600
reduce that.

4248
03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:14,560
» But the

4249
03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:18,399
» But the ending fund balance is positive.

4250
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:20,399
» It has to be. It was the adopted budget

4251
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:20,800
had it at zero.

4252
03:08:20,399 --> 03:08:23,040
» Um

4253
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:24,160
» Well, I should say it had a $106,000

4254
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:25,600
contingency, right?

4255
03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:27,680
» It came in better.

4256
03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:31,200
» There was more

4257
03:08:27,680 --> 03:08:34,720
there's 155,000 at the end of the year.

4258
03:08:31,200 --> 03:08:37,279
So, they could have sent about 50,000

4259
03:08:34,720 --> 03:08:39,279
more over to the city. So, how if if the

4260
03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:41,760
budget was for 300, why did 200 come

4261
03:08:39,279 --> 03:08:44,000
over when there's still another 50

4262
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:46,560
getting over there and

4263
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:48,479
positive cash flow?

4264
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:50,560
One question would I would want

4265
03:08:48,479 --> 03:08:52,880
» I I mean like actually how does that

4266
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:54,560
happen? Does someone say not remitting

4267
03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:59,960
or I'm not charging or how do we get

4268
03:08:54,560 --> 03:08:59,960
that? Um, so

4269
03:09:00,319 --> 03:09:06,720
administratively

4270
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:10,800
we made the decision and in our estimate

4271
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:13,520
that we'd only do 200,000 because

4272
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:16,640
even at 155,000

4273
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:17,840
that's not a very good reserve or ending

4274
03:09:16,640 --> 03:09:19,600
funded balance,

4275
03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:21,680
» Right? But then effectively we're taking

4276
03:09:19,600 --> 03:09:22,080
it out of the general fund which has its

4277
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:23,040
own

4278
03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:25,040
» It's not covered.

4279
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:27,040
» Well, it is. Let me explain. Because if

4280
03:09:25,040 --> 03:09:29,680
you're not sending a charge over to the

4281
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:30,880
general fund, you're in effect shorting

4282
03:09:29,680 --> 03:09:31,439
the general fund.

4283
03:09:30,880 --> 03:09:32,960
» That is true.

4284
03:09:31,439 --> 03:09:35,760
» And then I got a thought here. If what

4285
03:09:32,960 --> 03:09:37,600
we really need is the general fund to be

4286
03:09:35,760 --> 03:09:39,520
made whole here, we need to increase

4287
03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:42,080
this charge going forward. Let's put it

4288
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:44,080
back to 300,000 then

4289
03:09:42,080 --> 03:09:46,399
» For the next year. And we need to find a

4290
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:48,240
way to ensure we hit that. Whether

4291
03:09:46,399 --> 03:09:49,760
that's talking to the contractor,

4292
03:09:48,240 --> 03:09:52,319
whatever you got to do, but I think the

4293
03:09:49,760 --> 03:09:53,920
bottom line is more dollars need to be

4294
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:57,200
coming to the general fund than being

4295
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:59,600
taken away from the general fund.

4296
03:09:57,200 --> 03:10:01,279
» Well, that was our objective last year.

4297
03:09:59,600 --> 03:10:03,200
And what the words that came out of my

4298
03:10:01,279 --> 03:10:05,439
mouth last year were, I want the

4299
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:08,160
contractor to know we want $300,000 for

4300
03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:09,920
our event and they didn't make it. So

4301
03:10:08,160 --> 03:10:12,240
now we're having another discussion this

4302
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:15,359
year and we're right back to where we

4303
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:18,000
were and that is how do we get $300,000

4304
03:10:15,359 --> 03:10:21,279
out for the contractor for this event

4305
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:24,000
and I'm more concerned about not how

4306
03:10:21,279 --> 03:10:26,960
much we are going to get is protecting

4307
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:28,880
against loss where I think it will come

4308
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:31,920
out of community development is where

4309
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:33,359
the we have if there's losses

4310
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:35,359
come out of community development.

4311
03:10:33,359 --> 03:10:37,040
That's true.

4312
03:10:35,359 --> 03:10:38,319
So I'm I'm more sure

4313
03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:39,200
» It's kind of running out of funds

4314
03:10:38,319 --> 03:10:40,960
itself.

4315
03:10:39,200 --> 03:10:43,520
» A lot of tourism programs operate

4316
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:45,520
honestly a lot of cities pay money for

4317
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:48,560
their tourism programs because there is

4318
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:49,600
a business booing of the tourism

4319
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:54,319
programs,

4320
03:10:49,600 --> 03:10:57,920
» Right? And so thus far the council has

4321
03:10:54,319 --> 03:11:01,200
decided to have a tourism program and

4322
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:05,600
they have weighed in

4323
03:11:01,200 --> 03:11:08,479
very long hard discussions about

4324
03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:11,359
delivery of the tourism program and have

4325
03:11:08,479 --> 03:11:15,760
decided a tourism program exists in St.

4326
03:11:11,359 --> 03:11:18,160
Allen. It is on our objectives of

4327
03:11:15,760 --> 03:11:21,760
financial objections to have tourism be

4328
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:25,760
one of our main financial goals and the

4329
03:11:21,760 --> 03:11:28,399
council has has supported that. Now, I

4330
03:11:25,760 --> 03:11:30,000
just think that it's very dramatic to be

4331
03:11:28,399 --> 03:11:32,000
saying we're going to eliminate this

4332
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:34,319
program in the context of a budget

4333
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:36,880
committee meeting. I think what we

4334
03:11:34,319 --> 03:11:39,840
should be doing in my opinion is to

4335
03:11:36,880 --> 03:11:42,479
simply guard against losses,

4336
03:11:39,840 --> 03:11:44,319
put 300,000 in the general fund, fine,

4337
03:11:42,479 --> 03:11:45,920
see how they do, and have Johnson.

4338
03:11:44,319 --> 03:11:48,240
» So, let's come back to your motion to do

4339
03:11:45,920 --> 03:11:49,520
that. That's to take $1 million out of

4340
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:50,240
the material services line.

4341
03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:52,720
» Correct.

4342
03:11:50,240 --> 03:11:55,359
» Okay. I don't see how that's going to

4343
03:11:52,720 --> 03:11:57,359
solve the problem.

4344
03:11:55,359 --> 03:12:03,040
It means they can't spend. Let's just

4345
03:11:57,359 --> 03:12:05,279
say this. Let's say they spend 1.8

4346
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:06,399
and they only get in 800,000. We just

4347
03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:08,000
lost a million dollars.

4348
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:09,840
» Well, I mean, look at last year. It says

4349
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:11,840
they were supposed to spend 700,000.

4350
03:12:09,840 --> 03:12:13,600
They spent 1.2 million. That shows me

4351
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:15,040
there's no cost control at

4352
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:17,520
» Well, that's what we're talking about.

4353
03:12:15,040 --> 03:12:19,920
» I That's why I'm proposing something

4354
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:22,000
more drastic because I'm seeing evidence

4355
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:23,920
of mismanagement and lack of cost

4356
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:26,880
control.

4357
03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:28,960
We don't allow any loss and we build up

4358
03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:31,920
a reserve. I think we should charge back

4359
03:12:28,960 --> 03:12:34,800
more to the general fund.

4360
03:12:31,920 --> 03:12:38,080
» Okay, great. Make your proposals here.

4361
03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:41,600
» I propose that we change the GFSS in the

4362
03:12:38,080 --> 03:12:44,960
expense line to 300,000

4363
03:12:41,600 --> 03:12:47,120
as it was uh

4364
03:12:44,960 --> 03:12:48,399
discussed at some length by by council

4365
03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:51,359
as I understand.

4366
03:12:48,399 --> 03:12:52,720
» Yes. I unless there's some argument that

4367
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:54,560
it shouldn't be bringing

4368
03:12:52,720 --> 03:12:57,279
» I don't think tourism should lose any

4369
03:12:54,560 --> 03:12:58,640
money period like that is my opinion if

4370
03:12:57,279 --> 03:13:00,080
we have it that's great but we should

4371
03:12:58,640 --> 03:13:01,279
not be losing any money on it

4372
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:03,279
» And it's great if the community

4373
03:13:01,279 --> 03:13:05,920
businesses are making money but we

4374
03:13:03,279 --> 03:13:08,880
shouldn't have to take a loss

4375
03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:11,600
» To do that break even though how do we

4376
03:13:08,880 --> 03:13:14,080
guard against the look I've looked at

4377
03:13:11,600 --> 03:13:17,279
their financials two years in a row they

4378
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:19,040
spend money like crazy and so and I feel

4379
03:13:17,279 --> 03:13:21,359
like as a budget committee member, the

4380
03:13:19,040 --> 03:13:23,359
only thing I can do today is say you get

4381
03:13:21,359 --> 03:13:24,800
less money to spend and then have our

4382
03:13:23,359 --> 03:13:27,040
city administrator sit down with them

4383
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:28,399
and say you need to keep your costs

4384
03:13:27,040 --> 03:13:29,040
under control because this is your

4385
03:13:28,399 --> 03:13:30,720
budget.

4386
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:32,960
» I agree. We just can't really affect

4387
03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:34,160
that here is what I'm saying. We have no

4388
03:13:32,960 --> 03:13:35,439
effective way.

4389
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:37,279
» I'm just saying can we just put that

4390
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:39,760
number on the page because then that

4391
03:13:37,279 --> 03:13:42,239
delivers the message versus a $1.5

4392
03:13:39,760 --> 03:13:42,640
million budget. I don't want to give

4393
03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:44,239
them that.

4394
03:13:42,640 --> 03:13:47,279
» I don't think it delivers any message

4395
03:13:44,239 --> 03:13:48,880
because the budget isn't being followed.

4396
03:13:47,279 --> 03:13:50,880
But the thing is, if we don't put we

4397
03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:52,800
don't at least put if we don't put the

4398
03:13:50,880 --> 03:13:54,080
line down, then we don't have a line.

4399
03:13:52,800 --> 03:13:56,160
They can just do whatever they want to

4400
03:13:54,080 --> 03:13:58,160
do. I mean, really, what we're

4401
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:59,439
» Already do whatever they want to do.

4402
03:13:58,160 --> 03:14:01,520
» We're trying to say to our city

4403
03:13:59,439 --> 03:14:04,319
administrator here as a budget

4404
03:14:01,520 --> 03:14:07,040
committee, this is your budget, city

4405
03:14:04,319 --> 03:14:10,160
administrator. Go manage our tourism

4406
03:14:07,040 --> 03:14:12,160
program such that we don't lose money.

4407
03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:14,560
And tell them that they they can't spend

4408
03:14:12,160 --> 03:14:16,640
more than 800,000 bucks. And make sure

4409
03:14:14,560 --> 03:14:19,200
they hold to it. And then he can come

4410
03:14:16,640 --> 03:14:21,359
back later and say, "Hey, you guys told

4411
03:14:19,200 --> 03:14:22,960
me to hold it 800 grand. I told them to

4412
03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:24,720
do it. I've got emails. Look at all this

4413
03:14:22,960 --> 03:14:27,439
stuff. They either did or they didn't."

4414
03:14:24,720 --> 03:14:28,560
At which point we decide what to do with

4415
03:14:27,439 --> 03:14:31,279
that contractor.

4416
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:34,399
» How much if we get rid of tourism? How

4417
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:35,760
much are we going to save?

4418
03:14:34,399 --> 03:14:36,080
» We're not going to kill that program

4419
03:14:35,760 --> 03:14:37,040
here.

4420
03:14:36,080 --> 03:14:38,399
» I want to know.

4421
03:14:37,040 --> 03:14:40,319
» Okay. I'm going to make a motion that we

4422
03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:41,760
do not discuss eliminating

4423
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:42,800
» Talking for a second. She asked the

4424
03:14:41,760 --> 03:14:44,880
question.

4425
03:14:42,800 --> 03:14:47,359
I I think I think we could look at the

4426
03:14:44,880 --> 03:14:49,600
last four or five years here and average

4427
03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:51,840
out what the loss per year is and think

4428
03:14:49,600 --> 03:14:53,840
about that as a run rate

4429
03:14:51,840 --> 03:14:55,279
» And not lose before

4430
03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:57,279
» I'm I'm just talking about let's not

4431
03:14:55,279 --> 03:14:59,279
talk right now because they are spending

4432
03:14:57,279 --> 03:15:02,560
how much if you were to cut the tourism

4433
03:14:59,279 --> 03:15:04,880
program is that going to save a position

4434
03:15:02,560 --> 03:15:06,640
for somebody?

4435
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:09,279
Uh

4436
03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:12,080
well, I would put it this way. If we can

4437
03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:14,080
contain the loss to zero dollars right

4438
03:15:12,080 --> 03:15:16,399
now, that's

4439
03:15:14,080 --> 03:15:18,399
probably half of an FTE at the police

4440
03:15:16,399 --> 03:15:19,359
force and probably a lot more part-time

4441
03:15:18,399 --> 03:15:22,560
librarians.

4442
03:15:19,359 --> 03:15:24,239
» So, does the TFT or the the transate

4443
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:25,600
lodging tax does that have to stay in

4444
03:15:24,239 --> 03:15:26,720
tourism legally?

4445
03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:27,920
» I believe it does.

4446
03:15:26,720 --> 03:15:29,760
» Not 100% of it.

4447
03:15:27,920 --> 03:15:33,760
» Right. So, what percentage can actually

4448
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:36,479
be allocated to the general fund?

4449
03:15:33,760 --> 03:15:39,680
There's a new law they passed.

4450
03:15:36,479 --> 03:15:43,040
» Yeah. Well, there's now, but our he was

4451
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:47,760
they um but it's more.

4452
03:15:43,040 --> 03:15:49,760
» It was in a before that law. So before

4453
03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:54,319
that law that you're talking about

4454
03:15:49,760 --> 03:15:57,040
became in effect, the city does not have

4455
03:15:54,319 --> 03:15:59,439
to um

4456
03:15:57,040 --> 03:16:03,680
uh is not

4457
03:15:59,439 --> 03:16:05,279
controlled by that particular law. So

4458
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:06,960
what is it now?

4459
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:09,920
» St. St. Allen is one of those

4460
03:16:06,960 --> 03:16:12,560
communities that was pre202 when the

4461
03:16:09,920 --> 03:16:15,279
state laws changed it required a 7030

4462
03:16:12,560 --> 03:16:17,279
split where the you could take 30% put

4463
03:16:15,279 --> 03:16:19,359
it in the general fund and 70% had to go

4464
03:16:17,279 --> 03:16:22,880
into pretty much marketing it was there

4465
03:16:19,359 --> 03:16:25,120
a pretty narrow channels there when we

4466
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:28,880
increased the the transient lodging tax

4467
03:16:25,120 --> 03:16:31,439
rate from 7% to 10%

4468
03:16:28,880 --> 03:16:35,920
recent recently

4469
03:16:31,439 --> 03:16:38,880
um that that 3% increment is subject to

4470
03:16:35,920 --> 03:16:40,720
through the split. Um

4471
03:16:38,880 --> 03:16:42,960
» It's a little more complic I see the

4472
03:16:40,720 --> 03:16:44,239
next 3% that was added.

4473
03:16:42,960 --> 03:16:46,319
» Yeah, they could split.

4474
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:47,920
» So safe though it's still the law would

4475
03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:48,880
apply for 30%.

4476
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:51,359
» Yeah.

4477
03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:51,920
» So it's never been an issue on that

4478
03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:55,600
marketing

4479
03:16:51,920 --> 03:16:57,120
» 30% of the 7% can be allocated to

4480
03:16:55,600 --> 03:16:59,680
general fund. doesn't apply to the city

4481
03:16:57,120 --> 03:17:00,960
that that first 7% does is we can use

4482
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:02,000
unrestricted.

4483
03:17:00,960 --> 03:17:03,120
» Oh, only seven

4484
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:06,000
» 70%.

4485
03:17:03,120 --> 03:17:06,560
» 70% of the first seven% that was

4486
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:07,120
enacted,

4487
03:17:06,560 --> 03:17:08,960
» Right?

4488
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:11,279
» Because we're pre-adoption.

4489
03:17:08,960 --> 03:17:14,640
» Yeah. Okay.

4490
03:17:11,279 --> 03:17:16,720
» Like roughly half the money here.

4491
03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:18,560
» AI says half.

4492
03:17:16,720 --> 03:17:21,120
» Did AI say?

4493
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:21,359
» I'm trying to get as smart as AI right

4494
03:17:21,120 --> 03:17:24,960
there.

4495
03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:28,560
» So, is it worth it? Is my question.

4496
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:33,359
is well worth it.

4497
03:17:28,560 --> 03:17:35,520
» I think I I think avoiding a loss is

4498
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:38,080
worth it

4499
03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:40,239
» And I'm not seeing a proposal to get the

4500
03:17:38,080 --> 03:17:41,600
loss under control. And so at this point

4501
03:17:40,239 --> 03:17:43,680
I I kind of have two ways to think about

4502
03:17:41,600 --> 03:17:45,680
it. One is

4503
03:17:43,680 --> 03:17:49,359
we try to get out of it and the other

4504
03:17:45,680 --> 03:17:52,800
one is we start reserving for it.

4505
03:17:49,359 --> 03:17:55,200
My my thinking with the tourism is

4506
03:17:52,800 --> 03:17:57,600
and I said it before back when we

4507
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:59,359
switched touris the tourism over. I

4508
03:17:57,600 --> 03:18:00,720
don't understand why we even have it if

4509
03:17:59,359 --> 03:18:03,279
it's not bringing in money. I understand

4510
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:05,520
like concept of tourism but St. Helens

4511
03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:07,200
is not some place that anybody is really

4512
03:18:05,520 --> 03:18:08,960
to visit right now especially with us

4513
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:12,720
being used the way they are we are and

4514
03:18:08,960 --> 03:18:14,560
stuff. I'm not this up here. Um and I

4515
03:18:12,720 --> 03:18:16,880
live on a budget. I'm a single mom.

4516
03:18:14,560 --> 03:18:19,439
Okay. We don't. It's I feel like keeping

4517
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:20,720
certain things like this is akin to I

4518
03:18:19,439 --> 03:18:21,680
can't afford food and clothes for my

4519
03:18:20,720 --> 03:18:24,399
kids, but I'm going to go buy

4520
03:18:21,680 --> 03:18:26,000
cigarettes, booze, and tattoos. Okay,

4521
03:18:24,399 --> 03:18:27,680
you cut the stuff that

4522
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:28,399
» True. This is the Starbucks coffee for

4523
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:30,080
St. Helens.

4524
03:18:28,399 --> 03:18:31,279
» Oh, there you go. But you cut that

4525
03:18:30,080 --> 03:18:33,520
stuff. Okay, if we're talking about

4526
03:18:31,279 --> 03:18:35,279
losing employees, we're losing officers.

4527
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:36,479
I'm not anti police, first of all. I

4528
03:18:35,279 --> 03:18:38,479
hate that people are saying that about

4529
03:18:36,479 --> 03:18:39,680
me. I am the number one pro police

4530
03:18:38,479 --> 03:18:41,680
officer and I've helped this police

4531
03:18:39,680 --> 03:18:43,680
department. I am not anti police. I I

4532
03:18:41,680 --> 03:18:47,040
hate that rhetoric.

4533
03:18:43,680 --> 03:18:49,600
They have helped me. I am survivor. I

4534
03:18:47,040 --> 03:18:51,840
don't like to be called out like that. I

4535
03:18:49,600 --> 03:18:54,640
would like to save their physicians, but

4536
03:18:51,840 --> 03:18:57,040
I would like to save our employees that

4537
03:18:54,640 --> 03:18:58,960
make the city run. You know what I'm

4538
03:18:57,040 --> 03:19:01,279
saying? Like we need to find areas that

4539
03:18:58,960 --> 03:19:02,800
we can cut that are and we can go

4540
03:19:01,279 --> 03:19:03,760
revisit in the future when we're doing

4541
03:19:02,800 --> 03:19:05,359
better.

4542
03:19:03,760 --> 03:19:06,080
» John, how much are we in so far this

4543
03:19:05,359 --> 03:19:08,239
year to uh

4544
03:19:06,080 --> 03:19:10,960
» What I'm trying to way on this thing? Do

4545
03:19:08,239 --> 03:19:13,040
we is it like a half a million if we

4546
03:19:10,960 --> 03:19:14,399
cancel this contract

4547
03:19:13,040 --> 03:19:15,600
and then we're going to have a I don't

4548
03:19:14,399 --> 03:19:16,960
know how many lawsuits are going to come

4549
03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:18,560
out of the

4550
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:20,160
» Problem though is we can't cancel the

4551
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:21,359
contract here right so that's not

4552
03:19:20,160 --> 03:19:23,120
something that has to go in front of

4553
03:19:21,359 --> 03:19:25,760
council I mean I'm in agreement we

4554
03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:28,080
shouldn't lose money period on tourism

4555
03:19:25,760 --> 03:19:29,840
but I we can't talk about the contract

4556
03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:31,600
necessarily here

4557
03:19:29,840 --> 03:19:33,120
» But I mean I think that's something that

4558
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:35,680
definitely needs to come up in front of

4559
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:37,279
council and have a discussion

4560
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:40,000
I'm seeing some heads nodding over

4561
03:19:37,279 --> 03:19:43,120
there. Uh but for this I'm trying to

4562
03:19:40,000 --> 03:19:45,120
also figure out so let's say your train

4563
03:19:43,120 --> 03:19:47,920
of thought Jennifer is you extinguish

4564
03:19:45,120 --> 03:19:51,040
all or dis defund the entire tourism

4565
03:19:47,920 --> 03:19:52,560
fund. What actually are we going to gain

4566
03:19:51,040 --> 03:19:53,840
from that is what I'd like to get out of

4567
03:19:52,560 --> 03:19:55,040
this conversation. What are we getting

4568
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:57,600
out of there? What can we take and put

4569
03:19:55,040 --> 03:19:58,239
into the general fund to actually Right.

4570
03:19:57,600 --> 03:19:59,920
So that's

4571
03:19:58,239 --> 03:20:01,359
» An officer job. Can we get one of these

4572
03:19:59,920 --> 03:20:04,560
ladies jobs? Can we part?

4573
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:06,960
» Can we put part 70% of a transit loss

4574
03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:07,520
tax? Not that you have

4575
03:20:06,960 --> 03:20:09,439
» Half of it.

4576
03:20:07,520 --> 03:20:13,239
» Half of it. Yeah.

4577
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:13,239
» So we have $85,000

4578
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:17,359
for cutting our entire tourism.

4579
03:20:15,760 --> 03:20:20,720
» I mean that's also I mean you could look

4580
03:20:17,359 --> 03:20:21,920
at it please but it's also

4581
03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:23,359
» Well positions.

4582
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:24,880
» I don't know how many contracts have

4583
03:20:23,359 --> 03:20:27,680
been signed because most of them are

4584
03:20:24,880 --> 03:20:31,040
signed by now. I mean, and so we would

4585
03:20:27,680 --> 03:20:34,160
end up with potentially

4586
03:20:31,040 --> 03:20:36,560
a lot of a lot of exposure

4587
03:20:34,160 --> 03:20:38,720
and that's I'm just I don't know what

4588
03:20:36,560 --> 03:20:41,279
the all the consequences are. And the

4589
03:20:38,720 --> 03:20:43,439
idea is to protect against losses. I had

4590
03:20:41,279 --> 03:20:44,560
an idea, but I don't think getting sued

4591
03:20:43,439 --> 03:20:45,840
is one of them.

4592
03:20:44,560 --> 03:20:47,359
» I think we're a breach of contract

4593
03:20:45,840 --> 03:20:48,640
anyway, though. We could technically

4594
03:20:47,359 --> 03:20:50,479
cancel their contract, right? We also

4595
03:20:48,640 --> 03:20:52,000
have all I think what Steve's saying is

4596
03:20:50,479 --> 03:20:54,160
all the other vendors that have

4597
03:20:52,000 --> 03:20:55,760
contracts that are already signed. That

4598
03:20:54,160 --> 03:20:57,920
is where we're going to have copious

4599
03:20:55,760 --> 03:20:59,840
amounts of potential lawsuits by

4600
03:20:57,920 --> 03:21:02,000
counseling at this point when that money

4601
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:03,760
has already been allocated through

4602
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:07,520
contractual agreements.

4603
03:21:03,760 --> 03:21:11,439
» I I have a proposal here. Let's let's go

4604
03:21:07,520 --> 03:21:13,439
back to the 2526 adopted budget. The

4605
03:21:11,439 --> 03:21:15,520
total expenses there before contingency

4606
03:21:13,439 --> 03:21:17,120
is 1.475

4607
03:21:15,520 --> 03:21:21,520
million.

4608
03:21:17,120 --> 03:21:26,640
This year the proposal is 1.81 cent. So

4609
03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:31,920
I would suggest we revert to the 1475

4610
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:35,120
and we then increase the GFSS charge

4611
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:38,399
back to 300,000 and the balance will

4612
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:39,200
fall into contingency.

4613
03:21:38,399 --> 03:21:40,960
» I second.

4614
03:21:39,200 --> 03:21:42,239
» I do.

4615
03:21:40,960 --> 03:21:46,239
» Let's do it.

4616
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:48,319
» All right. We have a second. Is there uh

4617
03:21:46,239 --> 03:21:50,800
everyone in favor

4618
03:21:48,319 --> 03:21:52,560
» Say I

4619
03:21:50,800 --> 03:21:54,720
» Can Can you repeat this one more time?

4620
03:21:52,560 --> 03:21:55,279
I'm sorry. Can you repeat what the plan

4621
03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:59,520
is?

4622
03:21:55,279 --> 03:22:03,120
» Yes. So the motion is to take the uh

4623
03:21:59,520 --> 03:22:07,279
total material and services

4624
03:22:03,120 --> 03:22:10,479
uh budget from 2526 which is 1.475 475

4625
03:22:07,279 --> 03:22:15,680
million and to use that as the material

4626
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:20,239
and budget service total for 2026 27.

4627
03:22:15,680 --> 03:22:22,800
And so that should be a difference of

4628
03:22:20,239 --> 03:22:24,800
3

4629
03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:28,080
58,000.

4630
03:22:24,800 --> 03:22:33,040
And so then uh

4631
03:22:28,080 --> 03:22:36,080
we would increase the GFSS line charge

4632
03:22:33,040 --> 03:22:39,200
from 100,000 to 300,000.

4633
03:22:36,080 --> 03:22:39,760
which is part of that 1.475.

4634
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:41,520
» Yes.

4635
03:22:39,760 --> 03:22:46,000
» But they did work last year.

4636
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:48,399
» And so then uh if we had

4637
03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:50,080
a difference of 300, what did I say?

4638
03:22:48,399 --> 03:22:52,800
358,000.

4639
03:22:50,080 --> 03:22:55,680
The 200,000 gets added to GFSS, that

4640
03:22:52,800 --> 03:23:00,479
leaves you 158,000 to come down to the

4641
03:22:55,680 --> 03:23:03,120
contingency line and put you at about

4642
03:23:00,479 --> 03:23:06,080
170,000 in contingency. Then we've got a

4643
03:23:03,120 --> 03:23:07,600
backup of some money and we're trying to

4644
03:23:06,080 --> 03:23:09,120
control expense and we're not getting

4645
03:23:07,600 --> 03:23:11,359
too aggressive. We're saying let's go

4646
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:14,000
back to what we thought was workable

4647
03:23:11,359 --> 03:23:15,680
just last year and let's do this over

4648
03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:16,880
because you didn't stay in budget.

4649
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:19,359
» How are we going to

4650
03:23:16,880 --> 03:23:20,960
» I have a quick question for council. Um

4651
03:23:19,359 --> 03:23:22,160
» I mean I'm just asking council president

4652
03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:24,239
Chilton on yet?

4653
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:25,520
» She's having technical difficulties but

4654
03:23:24,239 --> 03:23:28,640
she's back on. She can try.

4655
03:23:25,520 --> 03:23:31,600
» Council President Shelton, can you hear?

4656
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:32,880
» Yes, I can. Uh man, that is just audio

4657
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:34,479
is horri. I'm sorry for all the

4658
03:23:32,880 --> 03:23:37,200
listeners here. The audio is really

4659
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:39,760
rough in here. So you're the leaison for

4660
03:23:37,200 --> 03:23:42,239
tourism. I'm curious if you have any

4661
03:23:39,760 --> 03:23:45,439
knowledge or could speak to uh any of

4662
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:47,200
the overage in the budget uh from last

4663
03:23:45,439 --> 03:23:49,760
year with tourism. We're trying to

4664
03:23:47,200 --> 03:23:55,000
» Specifically the $500,000

4665
03:23:49,760 --> 03:23:55,000
variance in the projects and programs.

4666
03:23:55,439 --> 03:23:58,960
I can't speak to the budget, but our

4667
03:23:57,279 --> 03:24:03,800
city administrator should be able to

4668
03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:03,800
because he directly oversees tourism

4669
03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:07,680
» Some of that.

4670
03:24:06,160 --> 03:24:09,359
» Is that you directly?

4671
03:24:07,680 --> 03:24:10,640
» So, you can tell us why the overage is

4672
03:24:09,359 --> 03:24:12,080
close to 100%.

4673
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:14,720
» I'll start by saying that the goal of

4674
03:24:12,080 --> 03:24:17,120
the tourism program has always been for

4675
03:24:14,720 --> 03:24:20,560
revenues to cover the expenses including

4676
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:23,359
their fee. Right. So, and that's been

4677
03:24:20,560 --> 03:24:24,960
been that targets kind of been been over

4678
03:24:23,359 --> 03:24:26,800
and under a little bit as some you know

4679
03:24:24,960 --> 03:24:28,720
it's really difficult when your expense

4680
03:24:26,800 --> 03:24:30,160
forward in a lot of this investment in

4681
03:24:28,720 --> 03:24:32,800
contracts and the revenue kind of

4682
03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:34,000
follows that. So, we don't really know

4683
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:36,160
where we're at. The trains are

4684
03:24:34,000 --> 03:24:38,960
» Timing mismatch. Yeah.

4685
03:24:36,160 --> 03:24:42,160
And then you know when

4686
03:24:38,960 --> 03:24:44,000
the contract we've set up to be

4687
03:24:42,160 --> 03:24:46,800
new at towards the end of the year and

4688
03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:49,520
then we those financial numbers came in

4689
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:52,000
pretty late. Uh there was some

4690
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:54,000
investments in like the store. It has no

4691
03:24:52,000 --> 03:24:56,080
nowhere near 500,000 but the facade

4692
03:24:54,000 --> 03:24:58,239
inside that they built out to have a

4693
03:24:56,080 --> 03:25:00,319
stock a store. The weather last year was

4694
03:24:58,239 --> 03:25:02,399
pretty iffy and some were some pretty

4695
03:25:00,319 --> 03:25:04,399
rainy weekends. They did one last

4696
03:25:02,399 --> 03:25:05,680
weekend

4697
03:25:04,399 --> 03:25:06,880
» And they spent a ton of money.

4698
03:25:05,680 --> 03:25:08,720
» Wait, wait, wait. How does that drive

4699
03:25:06,880 --> 03:25:09,200
the expense line? I get how that reduces

4700
03:25:08,720 --> 03:25:10,479
the revenue.

4701
03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:11,520
» The same expenses. They just don't have

4702
03:25:10,479 --> 03:25:13,600
the revenue to cover it.

4703
03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:15,680
» No, no, the No, the expenses were

4704
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:17,359
500,000 higher than budgeted. That's

4705
03:25:15,680 --> 03:25:17,760
what I'm not understanding.

4706
03:25:17,359 --> 03:25:20,479
» So,

4707
03:25:17,760 --> 03:25:22,319
» We went from 700,000 to 1.2 million and

4708
03:25:20,479 --> 03:25:25,840
we have no explanation of the variance.

4709
03:25:22,319 --> 03:25:26,960
» I don't even spent.

4710
03:25:25,840 --> 03:25:29,520
» I hear what you're saying.

4711
03:25:26,960 --> 03:25:31,279
» Yeah. I mean, that's a glaring problem,

4712
03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:34,319
right? So I think was there not a

4713
03:25:31,279 --> 03:25:35,840
misusation with that also

4714
03:25:34,319 --> 03:25:38,640
» On the transit tax.

4715
03:25:35,840 --> 03:25:40,640
» So I feel like I recall that there was

4716
03:25:38,640 --> 03:25:42,880
confusion on their budget that they

4717
03:25:40,640 --> 03:25:45,279
thought that they got the transient

4718
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:45,680
lodging tax as part of their budget

4719
03:25:45,279 --> 03:25:48,479
» And

4720
03:25:45,680 --> 03:25:50,160
» That's 160,000 that's not 500.

4721
03:25:48,479 --> 03:25:52,399
» I'm just saying what I heard like I'm

4722
03:25:50,160 --> 03:25:53,120
all I'm in agreement with a lot of

4723
03:25:52,399 --> 03:25:54,960
discussion.

4724
03:25:53,120 --> 03:25:58,160
» So there was a discussion. I'm just

4725
03:25:54,960 --> 03:25:59,760
saying that as well as the I guess the

4726
03:25:58,160 --> 03:26:02,239
dark market

4727
03:25:59,760 --> 03:26:03,680
um what we call it uh was also

4728
03:26:02,239 --> 03:26:06,000
remodeled. I don't know what the

4729
03:26:03,680 --> 03:26:08,000
expenses were to that. I don't I don't

4730
03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:09,680
have the answers either. Um

4731
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:11,279
» Right. And so so if we had an

4732
03:26:09,680 --> 03:26:13,200
explanation of the expense, we could get

4733
03:26:11,279 --> 03:26:16,560
into this, but we don't. So back to my

4734
03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:18,560
proposal that had a second was to revert

4735
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:21,840
back to the total material and services

4736
03:26:18,560 --> 03:26:23,760
spending that was a dollar last year.

4737
03:26:21,840 --> 03:26:25,760
» But wait, how do we control it? That's

4738
03:26:23,760 --> 03:26:27,120
the issue. You cannot like when you are

4739
03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:27,760
in a budget crisis, you can't have

4740
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:29,040
something

4741
03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:31,439
» I just I just heard the city

4742
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:32,800
administrator overseas this. So, do we

4743
03:26:31,439 --> 03:26:34,160
have your word you'll be looking into

4744
03:26:32,800 --> 03:26:36,399
controlling this expense?

4745
03:26:34,160 --> 03:26:38,720
» I will uh do a better job.

4746
03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:41,279
» Sure.

4747
03:26:38,720 --> 03:26:41,920
» We have no mechanism to ensure it.

4748
03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:43,359
» Let's cut them.

4749
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:45,359
» We have no me I

4750
03:26:43,359 --> 03:26:47,920
» Get rid of them.

4751
03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:50,399
» They're con artists. We did the same

4752
03:26:47,920 --> 03:26:52,960
thing in Hang on. Hold on. We We had a

4753
03:26:50,399 --> 03:26:54,720
motion. It was seconded. We took more

4754
03:26:52,960 --> 03:26:58,600
discussion.

4755
03:26:54,720 --> 03:26:58,600
and we take it to a vote.

4756
03:27:00,080 --> 03:27:04,160
» I'm ready to move forward.

4757
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:08,640
» All in favor of the proposed adjustment

4758
03:27:04,160 --> 03:27:10,960
to the tourism fund, please say I.

4759
03:27:08,640 --> 03:27:14,479
» I.

4760
03:27:10,960 --> 03:27:16,160
And those two eyes's oppos. Oh,

4761
03:27:14,479 --> 03:27:18,399
» I'm I'm my I as well.

4762
03:27:16,160 --> 03:27:19,680
» Three, four,

4763
03:27:18,399 --> 03:27:22,000
» I

4764
03:27:19,680 --> 03:27:24,160
» Five.

4765
03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:25,279
All opposed say nay.

4766
03:27:24,160 --> 03:27:29,880
» Nay.

4767
03:27:25,279 --> 03:27:29,880
» Two nays. I believe it passes.

4768
03:27:30,640 --> 03:27:35,120
» Okay. Net effect move pass.

4769
03:27:32,560 --> 03:27:37,439
» Net effect we put 200,000 into the

4770
03:27:35,120 --> 03:27:38,000
general.

4771
03:27:37,439 --> 03:27:39,600
» Well,

4772
03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:40,160
» I just saying for the business we're

4773
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:41,920
doing so

4774
03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:43,920
» Remember this discussion if we have huge

4775
03:27:41,920 --> 03:27:46,080
loss in revenues and everything else you

4776
03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:48,880
end up. I understand and that will be a

4777
03:27:46,080 --> 03:27:51,200
good discussion to have with the

4778
03:27:48,880 --> 03:27:53,359
individuals responsible for managing the

4779
03:27:51,200 --> 03:27:56,399
the use of this money.

4780
03:27:53,359 --> 03:27:57,760
» We we provided 1 something million

4781
03:27:56,399 --> 03:27:58,640
budget

4782
03:27:57,760 --> 03:28:01,520
» 1.4 million.

4783
03:27:58,640 --> 03:28:03,439
» No, we didn't. We provided we provided

4784
03:28:01,520 --> 03:28:06,800
$400,000

4785
03:28:03,439 --> 03:28:07,520
almost $400,000 less than the last

4786
03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:09,359
year's fund.

4787
03:28:07,520 --> 03:28:11,600
» What's the uh what's the line item?

4788
03:28:09,359 --> 03:28:14,640
Let's make sure it was done that. Uh the

4789
03:28:11,600 --> 03:28:17,040
line item was called out clearly. So the

4790
03:28:14,640 --> 03:28:18,880
the line item is the total materials and

4791
03:28:17,040 --> 03:28:20,160
services total.

4792
03:28:18,880 --> 03:28:23,200
» Okay, great.

4793
03:28:20,160 --> 03:28:25,359
» Okay, ready to move forward.

4794
03:28:23,200 --> 03:28:28,479
» And and it's so that's going to go down

4795
03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:30,160
as well as the the

4796
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:34,520
I suppose it has to flow through the

4797
03:28:30,160 --> 03:28:34,520
projects and program subline.

4798
03:28:35,680 --> 03:28:39,120
Okay.

4799
03:28:37,439 --> 03:28:41,200
So

4800
03:28:39,120 --> 03:28:43,279
tourist fund, tourism fund set aside.

4801
03:28:41,200 --> 03:28:45,600
We've we've accomplished that business.

4802
03:28:43,279 --> 03:28:46,960
Do we have a next topic anyone would

4803
03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:49,680
like to to

4804
03:28:46,960 --> 03:28:53,600
» Yes, I want to move to

4805
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:55,920
I'd like to move to um

4806
03:28:53,600 --> 03:28:57,680
you honestly with our with our

4807
03:28:55,920 --> 03:28:59,520
businesses closing last year, I was the

4808
03:28:57,680 --> 03:29:03,279
biggest advocate for keeping at least

4809
03:28:59,520 --> 03:29:06,960
for the council their stipens.

4810
03:29:03,279 --> 03:29:09,359
But I mean, when we're talking about

4811
03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:12,560
closing the doors and things like that,

4812
03:29:09,359 --> 03:29:14,880
I just I mean, I was hugely an advocate

4813
03:29:12,560 --> 03:29:17,760
last year when it came up the opposite,

4814
03:29:14,880 --> 03:29:19,840
but this year I feel like situation that

4815
03:29:17,760 --> 03:29:21,359
we're in

4816
03:29:19,840 --> 03:29:22,880
» Probably.

4817
03:29:21,359 --> 03:29:25,439
» So, we're talking about about

4818
03:29:22,880 --> 03:29:25,680
$65,000,500.

4819
03:29:25,439 --> 03:29:28,080
Oh,

4820
03:29:25,680 --> 03:29:30,479
» We're going to be talking about the the

4821
03:29:28,080 --> 03:29:33,040
city's stipen then they need to read a

4822
03:29:30,479 --> 03:29:35,439
disclosure for that conflict at that

4823
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:36,720
time. They need to

4824
03:29:35,439 --> 03:29:38,000
» Because it has to deal with their

4825
03:29:36,720 --> 03:29:39,040
salaries.

4826
03:29:38,000 --> 03:29:41,279
» Well, it's their stip.

4827
03:29:39,040 --> 03:29:42,000
» Okay. I think I think my comment doesn't

4828
03:29:41,279 --> 03:29:43,600
go quite there.

4829
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:45,040
» I'm just saying before we discuss it, we

4830
03:29:43,600 --> 03:29:46,560
need to make sure so they don't get any

4831
03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:49,600
» I actually wanted to suggest we don't go

4832
03:29:46,560 --> 03:29:51,359
there because it's only 65,000 and I

4833
03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:53,439
think we've got to fry bigger fish right

4834
03:29:51,359 --> 03:29:55,120
now. We can maybe hold this for later

4835
03:29:53,439 --> 03:29:55,840
discussion in the meeting, but I think

4836
03:29:55,120 --> 03:29:57,439
it's

4837
03:29:55,840 --> 03:30:01,520
» Time.

4838
03:29:57,439 --> 03:30:04,160
» I I understand. Um, but we're talking

4839
03:30:01,520 --> 03:30:06,720
about million-dollar level problems. I

4840
03:30:04,160 --> 03:30:07,359
mean, start with the smallest ones.

4841
03:30:06,720 --> 03:30:09,520
That's fine.

4842
03:30:07,359 --> 03:30:13,040
» Rebuild your budget when you are this

4843
03:30:09,520 --> 03:30:15,040
messed up is $5 at a time in a houseful.

4844
03:30:13,040 --> 03:30:16,960
I'm sorry. So, something like this,

4845
03:30:15,040 --> 03:30:18,239
that's a couple libraries that that goes

4846
03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:19,520
towards somebody else's salary.

4847
03:30:18,239 --> 03:30:20,960
» I don't mind. We've already we've

4848
03:30:19,520 --> 03:30:21,200
already funded the library at this

4849
03:30:20,960 --> 03:30:22,800
point.

4850
03:30:21,200 --> 03:30:24,239
» I understand that. But we don't have

4851
03:30:22,800 --> 03:30:26,479
there's nowhere we're going to have a

4852
03:30:24,239 --> 03:30:26,960
million dollars just come out. It's not

4853
03:30:26,479 --> 03:30:29,680
come from.

4854
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:32,880
» Sure. So, let's let's talk about let's

4855
03:30:29,680 --> 03:30:34,960
talk about a 10% reserve.

4856
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:37,520
» And what would that what would that mean

4857
03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:39,439
to cut the police for a 10%. What would

4858
03:30:37,520 --> 03:30:42,920
that where would that be? So, we're at

4859
03:30:39,439 --> 03:30:42,920
5% now.

4860
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:49,120
» Would the audience please

4861
03:30:46,880 --> 03:30:53,000
uh refrain from interacting with the

4862
03:30:49,120 --> 03:30:53,000
council unless called upon?

4863
03:30:56,000 --> 03:31:00,399
» So,

4864
03:30:57,520 --> 03:31:03,040
why don't we get a 10%. Uh,

4865
03:31:00,399 --> 03:31:04,319
» So, so to your question, Steve, so

4866
03:31:03,040 --> 03:31:04,560
» I just want to know what the number

4867
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:07,600
» Five

4868
03:31:04,560 --> 03:31:10,399
» 5% is what we're being shown in these

4869
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:13,960
numbers. Correct.

4870
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:13,960
» Equates to

4871
03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:20,439
how many dollars? I think that's roughly

4872
03:31:17,439 --> 03:31:20,439
$500,000.

4873
03:31:20,800 --> 03:31:22,960
» I think it's closer to a million, isn't

4874
03:31:22,560 --> 03:31:27,680
it?

4875
03:31:22,960 --> 03:31:29,439
» Well, I'm seeing 20 20% reserve at two.

4876
03:31:27,680 --> 03:31:31,520
» That would be a two.

4877
03:31:29,439 --> 03:31:33,200
» So, cut that in four to five. Oh, yeah.

4878
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:34,560
» You'd have 500k, right?

4879
03:31:33,200 --> 03:31:34,880
» And then we already just moved that

4880
03:31:34,560 --> 03:31:35,840
over.

4881
03:31:34,880 --> 03:31:36,720
» Okay. So, then we just

4882
03:31:35,840 --> 03:31:40,239
» Yep. We just

4883
03:31:36,720 --> 03:31:42,000
» And we just put 200k in there. So, you

4884
03:31:40,239 --> 03:31:43,120
know, maybe we're at between six and

4885
03:31:42,000 --> 03:31:45,760
seven right now.

4886
03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:49,120
» So, just just say 650,000.

4887
03:31:45,760 --> 03:31:49,680
» We maybe need to find another 400,000.

4888
03:31:49,120 --> 03:31:51,520
» Wow.

4889
03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:53,200
» To get to a 10%.

4890
03:31:51,520 --> 03:31:53,680
» Yeah, that's what it's what the number

4891
03:31:53,200 --> 03:31:55,760
we need.

4892
03:31:53,680 --> 03:31:57,920
» So, one 1%

4893
03:31:55,760 --> 03:32:03,200
or

4894
03:31:57,920 --> 03:32:03,439
it's it's roughly $100,000 per percent.

4895
03:32:03,200 --> 03:32:06,640
» Okay,

4896
03:32:03,439 --> 03:32:07,840
» That's what it is. So another 5% would

4897
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:12,239
be half a million,

4898
03:32:07,840 --> 03:32:13,600
» Right? But we just found 200

4899
03:32:12,239 --> 03:32:15,439
» From the tourism. We're bringing

4900
03:32:13,600 --> 03:32:16,479
» The tourism. We just brought a charge in

4901
03:32:15,439 --> 03:32:18,080
» Additional 200

4902
03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:20,640
» That the revenue into the city.

4903
03:32:18,080 --> 03:32:23,279
» This is budget illusion is uh I mean if

4904
03:32:20,640 --> 03:32:24,479
you want to use it that's fine.

4905
03:32:23,279 --> 03:32:26,160
» I don't understand how they're going to

4906
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:27,840
stay. They haven't stayed within budget.

4907
03:32:26,160 --> 03:32:28,319
Where are the where are the rails that

4908
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:29,600
they're

4909
03:32:28,319 --> 03:32:31,600
» You expect they won't stay in budget

4910
03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:34,160
then let them cancel the program. I I

4911
03:32:31,600 --> 03:32:34,640
mean you're saying that I didn't we

4912
03:32:34,160 --> 03:32:37,200
didn't get

4913
03:32:34,640 --> 03:32:39,520
» You have zero comp just keep going

4914
03:32:37,200 --> 03:32:41,040
» They over by how much that's that's

4915
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:42,560
» I'm not arguing on their behalf that

4916
03:32:41,040 --> 03:32:44,479
they're going to do great management but

4917
03:32:42,560 --> 03:32:46,080
I'm saying they said they would stay in

4918
03:32:44,479 --> 03:32:47,279
budget we have his word he's going to

4919
03:32:46,080 --> 03:32:48,720
look at it

4920
03:32:47,279 --> 03:32:49,520
» They heard what we had to say what more

4921
03:32:48,720 --> 03:32:51,600
can we do that

4922
03:32:49,520 --> 03:32:54,640
» So then you have so rather than five so

4923
03:32:51,600 --> 03:32:56,239
to get to a 10% reserve we need another

4924
03:32:54,640 --> 03:32:57,840
500,000

4925
03:32:56,239 --> 03:33:01,279
» Cut

4926
03:32:57,840 --> 03:33:02,479
uh but since we're adding 300,000 back

4927
03:33:01,279 --> 03:33:04,399
in.

4928
03:33:02,479 --> 03:33:04,960
» That's 200,000 back in

4929
03:33:04,399 --> 03:33:07,279
» For another

4930
03:33:04,960 --> 03:33:07,760
» We need another cut another 300,000.

4931
03:33:07,279 --> 03:33:08,319
Okay.

4932
03:33:07,760 --> 03:33:10,560
» And so

4933
03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:14,800
» So my I'm going to I'm going to propose

4934
03:33:10,560 --> 03:33:16,319
that we make up that $300,000

4935
03:33:14,800 --> 03:33:19,319
by

4936
03:33:16,319 --> 03:33:19,319
cutting

4937
03:33:22,720 --> 03:33:29,040
100,000 from the police personal

4938
03:33:27,840 --> 03:33:30,720
budget. personnel

4939
03:33:29,040 --> 03:33:33,120
» Personnel

4940
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:36,479
and

4941
03:33:33,120 --> 03:33:39,479
200,000 from the lease materials and

4942
03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:39,479
services

4943
03:33:39,840 --> 03:33:48,279
and then

4944
03:33:42,960 --> 03:33:48,279
that would then get us to a 10% reserve

4945
03:33:48,399 --> 03:33:53,120
PFSS

4946
03:33:50,160 --> 03:33:54,960
of 300,000 which we're going to be

4947
03:33:53,120 --> 03:33:58,000
having very serious discussions with our

4948
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:58,000
tourism contractor

4949
03:33:58,160 --> 03:34:02,800
So,

4950
03:33:59,840 --> 03:34:05,680
so I'm going to make a motion

4951
03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:07,920
that we and this will be a yearly

4952
03:34:05,680 --> 03:34:10,640
budget, not a six-month budget. This

4953
03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:13,840
will be a yearly budget

4954
03:34:10,640 --> 03:34:17,439
of uh that would that's going to reduce

4955
03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:20,439
the police personnel services

4956
03:34:17,439 --> 03:34:20,439
to

4957
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:24,040
3,936,9

4958
03:34:27,279 --> 03:34:30,279
and

4959
03:34:30,800 --> 03:34:38,160
lease materials and services to

4960
03:34:35,279 --> 03:34:41,160
446,00

4961
03:34:38,160 --> 03:34:41,160
500.

4962
03:34:46,640 --> 03:34:50,040
» That's the motion.

4963
03:34:50,560 --> 03:34:53,960
» We have a second.

4964
03:34:54,080 --> 03:34:58,640
» I'll second it.

4965
03:34:55,680 --> 03:35:00,479
» Great. Okay. I mean, we're either going

4966
03:34:58,640 --> 03:35:03,120
to cut or we're going to we're going to

4967
03:35:00,479 --> 03:35:04,399
go with a 5% reserve. We're going to do

4968
03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:07,200
I mean, that's where that's kind of

4969
03:35:04,399 --> 03:35:09,279
almost where we're down to.

4970
03:35:07,200 --> 03:35:09,920
and we, you know, with the risks of

4971
03:35:09,279 --> 03:35:11,040
that. So,

4972
03:35:09,920 --> 03:35:11,920
» Why are we wearing something and we

4973
03:35:11,040 --> 03:35:13,120
don't know what it looks like? What does

4974
03:35:11,920 --> 03:35:14,720
that look like?

4975
03:35:13,120 --> 03:35:16,239
» Uh, you want to repeat that?

4976
03:35:14,720 --> 03:35:17,520
» No, I want to know what it looks like if

4977
03:35:16,239 --> 03:35:18,239
we're cutting that out. What does that

4978
03:35:17,520 --> 03:35:19,920
look like?

4979
03:35:18,239 --> 03:35:21,279
» It looks like the tire.

4980
03:35:19,920 --> 03:35:22,080
» Are you asking the line items or you're

4981
03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:24,960
asking a different question?

4982
03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:27,120
» Officers, like, etc.

4983
03:35:24,960 --> 03:35:29,439
» Let the chief figure it out. That's his

4984
03:35:27,120 --> 03:35:32,080
job. I don't want to sit here and be be

4985
03:35:29,439 --> 03:35:33,279
trying to micromanage and figure it out.

4986
03:35:32,080 --> 03:35:35,200
» There's no part of the budget process

4987
03:35:33,279 --> 03:35:36,319
where we specify the number of officers.

4988
03:35:35,200 --> 03:35:39,680
Correct.

4989
03:35:36,319 --> 03:35:42,239
» Our job is to set abundant numbers and

4990
03:35:39,680 --> 03:35:43,920
then management of these various

4991
03:35:42,239 --> 03:35:44,800
departments will make the decisions

4992
03:35:43,920 --> 03:35:46,560
they'll make.

4993
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:48,479
» Correct. And I hope the chief will do

4994
03:35:46,560 --> 03:35:50,399
the best he can to protect us as best he

4995
03:35:48,479 --> 03:35:54,279
can with what he's given what we have.

4996
03:35:50,399 --> 03:35:54,279
» Absolutely. He will.

4997
03:35:57,040 --> 03:36:02,000
» So there's a motion and a second. There

4998
03:35:59,520 --> 03:36:03,680
» Any other discussion? Many other members

4999
03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:05,200
could be repeated one more time.

5000
03:36:03,680 --> 03:36:08,640
» Yes.

5001
03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:10,640
The the motion is on the

5002
03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:14,560
2026

5003
03:36:10,640 --> 03:36:16,560
2027 draft approved budget provided by

5004
03:36:14,560 --> 03:36:18,080
staff today

5005
03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:20,239
that

5006
03:36:18,080 --> 03:36:24,720
we reduce

5007
03:36:20,239 --> 03:36:28,239
the expenditures in personnel services

5008
03:36:24,720 --> 03:36:31,279
to the police by $100,000

5009
03:36:28,239 --> 03:36:34,000
to a total of 9 million or excuse me to

5010
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:36,720
a total of 3,936,9

5011
03:36:34,000 --> 03:36:38,479
$900

5012
03:36:36,720 --> 03:36:41,359
and

5013
03:36:38,479 --> 03:36:42,880
reduce the materials and services line

5014
03:36:41,359 --> 03:36:48,760
item

5015
03:36:42,880 --> 03:36:48,760
by $200,000 to $446,500.

5016
03:36:50,239 --> 03:36:54,399
» Still having discussion.

5017
03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:54,880
So

5018
03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:57,680
» Yeah,

5019
03:36:54,880 --> 03:37:00,319
» I think that the

5020
03:36:57,680 --> 03:37:02,640
personnel is when we look at how much it

5021
03:37:00,319 --> 03:37:05,120
costs to try to bring somebody back,

5022
03:37:02,640 --> 03:37:09,680
right? We're looking at a 150,000 per

5023
03:37:05,120 --> 03:37:12,319
officer, right? So, I think that maybe

5024
03:37:09,680 --> 03:37:13,520
it'd be more reasonable to, you know, if

5025
03:37:12,319 --> 03:37:16,399
we're talking about materials and

5026
03:37:13,520 --> 03:37:20,239
services, maybe we address that, but

5027
03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:24,319
maybe going to 9% of the reserve and

5028
03:37:20,239 --> 03:37:26,399
keeping that 100,000 in for staffing.

5029
03:37:24,319 --> 03:37:28,160
» Sorry, repeat that last part again.

5030
03:37:26,399 --> 03:37:30,960
» Sorry, you're saying shift shift it to

5031
03:37:28,160 --> 03:37:35,520
materials services. No, I'm saying 9%

5032
03:37:30,960 --> 03:37:37,279
eight or 9%. Like like 9% and leaving

5033
03:37:35,520 --> 03:37:39,680
like and not go to the personnel

5034
03:37:37,279 --> 03:37:42,960
services.

5035
03:37:39,680 --> 03:37:44,640
» I'll withdraw mine. Can I withdraw mine?

5036
03:37:42,960 --> 03:37:46,479
» I don't know what the Robert's rule.

5037
03:37:44,640 --> 03:37:48,640
» I think we have to vote. I think we have

5038
03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:50,560
to vote on it and then it'll be dead and

5039
03:37:48,640 --> 03:37:51,520
then a new motion can be made. Should we

5040
03:37:50,560 --> 03:37:52,960
do it appropriately? Right.

5041
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:55,920
» To me, it's been it's already been

5042
03:37:52,960 --> 03:38:00,239
second. Okay. All right. All those in

5043
03:37:55,920 --> 03:38:02,800
favor, please say yay. I

5044
03:38:00,239 --> 03:38:03,760
» On the first motion sorry on the first

5045
03:38:02,800 --> 03:38:05,680
motion. Yes.

5046
03:38:03,760 --> 03:38:07,040
» On the first motion Steve presented to

5047
03:38:05,680 --> 03:38:10,880
» You be clear for the record.

5048
03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:13,760
» So the motion is to reduce the personnel

5049
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:18,319
services for the police department by

5050
03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:20,800
$100,000 from 4,36,900

5051
03:38:18,319 --> 03:38:23,800
to 3 million

5052
03:38:20,800 --> 03:38:23,800
900,36900.

5053
03:38:24,239 --> 03:38:31,680
And then to also reduce the materials

5054
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:34,160
and services by 200,000 from 4683400

5055
03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:37,600
to 4483

5056
03:38:34,160 --> 03:38:39,840
» No 646500

5057
03:38:37,600 --> 03:38:41,920
» To 446,000.

5058
03:38:39,840 --> 03:38:44,319
» Thank you. I read the the next line

5059
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:46,880
down. I apologize. Gloria stated that

5060
03:38:44,319 --> 03:38:53,399
correctly. It will be

5061
03:38:46,880 --> 03:38:53,399
646500 less 200,000 to 446500.

5062
03:38:55,920 --> 03:39:01,359
And that's two eyes now.

5063
03:38:58,720 --> 03:39:03,040
» Two eyes now.

5064
03:39:01,359 --> 03:39:06,680
» Any other eyes?

5065
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:06,680
» Okay. Nays.

5066
03:39:07,840 --> 03:39:11,200
» Five.

5067
03:39:09,600 --> 03:39:13,520
» Okay. The motion prevails.

5068
03:39:11,200 --> 03:39:18,000
» Make a motion that we

5069
03:39:13,520 --> 03:39:22,680
» That we retain the personnel services uh

5070
03:39:18,000 --> 03:39:22,680
of the police at 4,36,900.

5071
03:39:22,720 --> 03:39:29,960
use materials and services to

5072
03:39:26,960 --> 03:39:29,960
$446,500

5073
03:39:30,399 --> 03:39:35,040
and that would leave a 9% reserve.

5074
03:39:34,000 --> 03:39:37,680
» Discussion.

5075
03:39:35,040 --> 03:39:38,720
» Wait, second.

5076
03:39:37,680 --> 03:39:40,800
» We have a motion.

5077
03:39:38,720 --> 03:39:43,520
» Second. Is there discussion?

5078
03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:46,239
» Can we also look at the transient tax

5079
03:39:43,520 --> 03:39:49,120
fee, the 70% and move that over into the

5080
03:39:46,239 --> 03:39:54,000
materials and services

5081
03:39:49,120 --> 03:39:56,399
» From the tourism fund? Uh

5082
03:39:54,000 --> 03:39:58,479
that's uh

5083
03:39:56,399 --> 03:40:00,000
» Let's do this motion and then let's do

5084
03:39:58,479 --> 03:40:04,239
this motion and if we want to add more

5085
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,000
money and plug more money we can.

5086
03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:07,920
» Well, so we have a second. So we're

5087
03:40:06,000 --> 03:40:08,880
going to end up at a vote on this first

5088
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:10,960
on this motion.

5089
03:40:08,880 --> 03:40:13,439
» That too.

5090
03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:15,279
» So we can have this discussion or we and

5091
03:40:13,439 --> 03:40:17,040
then move to that vote or we can move to

5092
03:40:15,279 --> 03:40:18,399
that vote now. And

5093
03:40:17,040 --> 03:40:20,800
» I'm sorry if I complicated it.

5094
03:40:18,399 --> 03:40:23,680
» That's that's where we're at. Jennifer

5095
03:40:20,800 --> 03:40:26,319
does have a good point, though.

5096
03:40:23,680 --> 03:40:28,000
» So,

5097
03:40:26,319 --> 03:40:30,560
all right. Why don't we vote on this

5098
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:32,319
motion and then maybe ensure we're ready

5099
03:40:30,560 --> 03:40:34,479
for a motion before we throw another one

5100
03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:35,680
in, get more discussion in. That's what

5101
03:40:34,479 --> 03:40:38,000
I would suggest.

5102
03:40:35,680 --> 03:40:40,319
» Okay. Uh, all those in favor of the

5103
03:40:38,000 --> 03:40:40,720
motion, please say I.

5104
03:40:40,319 --> 03:40:41,520
» I.

5105
03:40:40,720 --> 03:40:44,399
» I.

5106
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:47,399
» I.

5107
03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:47,399
» Um,

5108
03:40:47,439 --> 03:40:55,200
I'm still not fairly thrilled with this.

5109
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:57,200
» We have

5110
03:40:55,200 --> 03:40:58,560
» He's not on

5111
03:40:57,200 --> 03:41:01,760
» Okay.

5112
03:40:58,560 --> 03:41:04,000
» So, we have four in favor.

5113
03:41:01,760 --> 03:41:07,040
» Four. Thought I heard four.

5114
03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:08,479
» Say your names on the y, please.

5115
03:41:07,040 --> 03:41:09,840
» I

5116
03:41:08,479 --> 03:41:11,120
» Jen,

5117
03:41:09,840 --> 03:41:15,120
» Brandon,

5118
03:41:11,120 --> 03:41:18,600
» Did you get hovered? That was like

5119
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:18,600
» And are

5120
03:41:18,800 --> 03:41:25,399
you and Jenny are nays?

5121
03:41:21,920 --> 03:41:25,399
» I am a nay.

5122
03:41:26,239 --> 03:41:29,960
» Are there any other nays?

5123
03:41:30,319 --> 03:41:33,439
» That passes.

5124
03:41:31,840 --> 03:41:34,640
» Passes.

5125
03:41:33,439 --> 03:41:38,319
» Okay.

5126
03:41:34,640 --> 03:41:40,239
» Okay. So now so the topic you raised

5127
03:41:38,319 --> 03:41:41,040
maybe we need a motion to adjust this

5128
03:41:40,239 --> 03:41:44,720
further.

5129
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:48,399
» The Yeah. The spending lodged into tax

5130
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:49,520
is 70%. To put that also into personnel

5131
03:41:48,399 --> 03:41:52,319
by police.

5132
03:41:49,520 --> 03:41:54,479
» Okay. So there's $170,000

5133
03:41:52,319 --> 03:41:57,600
in lodging tax. Correct. My

5134
03:41:54,479 --> 03:42:01,600
understanding is roughly half of that is

5135
03:41:57,600 --> 03:42:03,279
union. So just to be clear, the 70% is

5136
03:42:01,600 --> 03:42:04,640
not applied to the 1070.

5137
03:42:03,279 --> 03:42:05,200
» Right. But just legally what we can

5138
03:42:04,640 --> 03:42:07,840
spend.

5139
03:42:05,200 --> 03:42:09,120
» So we're talking about $85,000

5140
03:42:07,840 --> 03:42:11,760
» Going to personnel.

5141
03:42:09,120 --> 03:42:14,080
» Okay. So we in order to do that, we'd

5142
03:42:11,760 --> 03:42:18,319
have to go back to the tourism fund and

5143
03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:20,720
make that um adjustment as well.

5144
03:42:18,319 --> 03:42:24,000
» True. So we're taking revenue away from

5145
03:42:20,720 --> 03:42:28,319
the tourism fund. There is a contingency

5146
03:42:24,000 --> 03:42:30,800
fund uh could be reduced

5147
03:42:28,319 --> 03:42:32,560
» Right now.

5148
03:42:30,800 --> 03:42:34,000
» I'd rather refund our We're going to

5149
03:42:32,560 --> 03:42:36,000
have discussions. We're going to start

5150
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:38,319
I'd rather refund our planning

5151
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:39,680
department which is down to 0.9. got a

5152
03:42:38,319 --> 03:42:42,160
whole development coming with no

5153
03:42:39,680 --> 03:42:44,319
planning. We're down to 0.9 planners.

5154
03:42:42,160 --> 03:42:45,760
We're down to one building guy. I mean,

5155
03:42:44,319 --> 03:42:49,120
if we're gonna I mean, I think the

5156
03:42:45,760 --> 03:42:50,720
police plenty of money to work with and

5157
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:52,640
they're going to do just fine.

5158
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:53,760
» And uh that's, you know, and I don't

5159
03:42:52,640 --> 03:42:55,279
think we should be

5160
03:42:53,760 --> 03:42:56,000
» And they may be going out for a fee

5161
03:42:55,279 --> 03:42:56,560
anyways.

5162
03:42:56,000 --> 03:42:57,840
» So,

5163
03:42:56,560 --> 03:43:00,000
» Right, they might be going out for a fee

5164
03:42:57,840 --> 03:43:01,760
and people go, "Hey, we, you know, might

5165
03:43:00,000 --> 03:43:03,520
go out for a fee anyway."

5166
03:43:01,760 --> 03:43:06,239
I agree about planning a building, but

5167
03:43:03,520 --> 03:43:07,439
when I asked Mike, you know, when he was

5168
03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:08,960
sitting back here, when we had our

5169
03:43:07,439 --> 03:43:10,720
directors, the thing is is that there's

5170
03:43:08,960 --> 03:43:12,479
not a lot of activity going on right

5171
03:43:10,720 --> 03:43:15,120
now. So, right, when they start getting

5172
03:43:12,479 --> 03:43:17,760
more fees, then they actually get more

5173
03:43:15,120 --> 03:43:20,160
money in their accounts. Right now, it's

5174
03:43:17,760 --> 03:43:23,199
dry. Oregon is dry right now generally

5175
03:43:20,160 --> 03:43:25,120
for construction. So, I mean, if they

5176
03:43:23,199 --> 03:43:26,800
started getting more revenue, we had

5177
03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:29,600
more building, then we could also hire

5178
03:43:26,800 --> 03:43:32,640
more people. So, we're kind of building

5179
03:43:29,600 --> 03:43:34,560
that because I obviously I we we need to

5180
03:43:32,640 --> 03:43:36,960
make sure that when that does happen,

5181
03:43:34,560 --> 03:43:40,000
we're ready. But at this time, you heard

5182
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:42,720
him say that they don't have anything

5183
03:43:40,000 --> 03:43:47,040
really going on right now. I'd rather I

5184
03:43:42,720 --> 03:43:49,680
mean I I hear you and what I I really

5185
03:43:47,040 --> 03:43:51,439
think Jacob does a huge role at our city

5186
03:43:49,680 --> 03:43:53,439
as far as planning

5187
03:43:51,439 --> 03:43:55,600
» And

5188
03:43:53,439 --> 03:43:59,279
think that there is a lot of work that

5189
03:43:55,600 --> 03:44:01,040
he does as far as customer service

5190
03:43:59,279 --> 03:44:02,560
» And

5191
03:44:01,040 --> 03:44:03,920
people who have questions about whether

5192
03:44:02,560 --> 03:44:05,600
they're going to buy property come to

5193
03:44:03,920 --> 03:44:07,199
him and they get answers. So, I just

5194
03:44:05,600 --> 03:44:08,880
» But I also I agree with what you're

5195
03:44:07,199 --> 03:44:11,520
saying, Steve, but I also look at how

5196
03:44:08,880 --> 03:44:13,680
much money it costs when taxpayers are

5197
03:44:11,520 --> 03:44:15,920
paying put these officers in place,

5198
03:44:13,680 --> 03:44:18,239
we're looking at $150,000,

5199
03:44:15,920 --> 03:44:21,279
right? So that's basically

5200
03:44:18,239 --> 03:44:24,160
» So that's where I come on the the fact

5201
03:44:21,279 --> 03:44:26,800
that if we can save individuals that are

5202
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:28,880
actually you know what I mean that it's

5203
03:44:26,800 --> 03:44:30,640
very expensive to hire them and we've

5204
03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:34,000
the citizens here have already paid for

5205
03:44:30,640 --> 03:44:36,080
them then seems like money should be

5206
03:44:34,000 --> 03:44:38,800
allocated there and I would feel the

5207
03:44:36,080 --> 03:44:40,720
same way if it was planning or public

5208
03:44:38,800 --> 03:44:43,760
works or whatever the case is if it was

5209
03:44:40,720 --> 03:44:47,120
the same scenario. I I get you. And I'm

5210
03:44:43,760 --> 03:44:49,760
going to come back to Dan Tanel from the

5211
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:52,000
union showed up and he says the union's

5212
03:44:49,760 --> 03:44:55,520
going to make concessions

5213
03:44:52,000 --> 03:44:57,600
and I say we drive a hard bargain. And

5214
03:44:55,520 --> 03:45:01,760
one of the things that officers have

5215
03:44:57,600 --> 03:45:04,319
going for them is St. Ellens. It's very

5216
03:45:01,760 --> 03:45:06,800
relaxed place. It's a very nice place to

5217
03:45:04,319 --> 03:45:08,800
work. There are a lot of benefits to

5218
03:45:06,800 --> 03:45:12,080
working here versus anywhere else in the

5219
03:45:08,800 --> 03:45:14,399
world. I can say for me I could live

5220
03:45:12,080 --> 03:45:16,399
anywhere in the world. Anywhere in the

5221
03:45:14,399 --> 03:45:18,880
world right now. I choose to live here

5222
03:45:16,399 --> 03:45:21,120
because of the place this is. And I

5223
03:45:18,880 --> 03:45:24,800
think that goes for most everybody in

5224
03:45:21,120 --> 03:45:29,120
this room. And that to me pays

5225
03:45:24,800 --> 03:45:31,840
dividends. And so I think that uh St.

5226
03:45:29,120 --> 03:45:33,279
Ellens is an exception. And I think we

5227
03:45:31,840 --> 03:45:37,040
should drive a hard bargain with the

5228
03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:40,800
union and and

5229
03:45:37,040 --> 03:45:43,520
make you know have them H lower the pays

5230
03:45:40,800 --> 03:45:45,760
to the point where you this isn't a town

5231
03:45:43,520 --> 03:45:46,800
necessarily where

5232
03:45:45,760 --> 03:45:48,160
somebody's going to come and say I'm

5233
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:49,920
gonna get rich because I got to get paid

5234
03:45:48,160 --> 03:45:52,319
the most of the police. You maybe

5235
03:45:49,920 --> 03:45:54,399
Portland's that place. I don't know how

5236
03:45:52,319 --> 03:45:57,279
that's going to be negotiated. But I say

5237
03:45:54,399 --> 03:46:01,120
we have a hard bargain, keep our

5238
03:45:57,279 --> 03:46:02,239
planner, and we keep our police, too. I

5239
03:46:01,120 --> 03:46:03,680
think a lot of these guys are going to

5240
03:46:02,239 --> 03:46:04,239
say, "I'd rather take a bake up than

5241
03:46:03,680 --> 03:46:05,840
move."

5242
03:46:04,239 --> 03:46:07,680
» My turn.

5243
03:46:05,840 --> 03:46:09,600
» Yeah. Go ahead.

5244
03:46:07,680 --> 03:46:11,840
Um,

5245
03:46:09,600 --> 03:46:14,640
I know for a fact, I'm not outing

5246
03:46:11,840 --> 03:46:16,560
anyone. There's lots of them. They will

5247
03:46:14,640 --> 03:46:19,199
not go anywhere else because they cannot

5248
03:46:16,560 --> 03:46:20,960
get any better than St. Helens. I'm not

5249
03:46:19,199 --> 03:46:23,439
too worried about that part.

5250
03:46:20,960 --> 03:46:25,040
» Um, and I respect them. I understand. I

5251
03:46:23,439 --> 03:46:26,720
appreciate them. I think they're all

5252
03:46:25,040 --> 03:46:30,080
decent

5253
03:46:26,720 --> 03:46:31,760
guys. Um, me too. What I would like to

5254
03:46:30,080 --> 03:46:34,319
stop talking about is funding the

5255
03:46:31,760 --> 03:46:36,080
police. We have people our It's not

5256
03:46:34,319 --> 03:46:37,359
open. The city is not open now. We have

5257
03:46:36,080 --> 03:46:41,439
people that are terrified for their

5258
03:46:37,359 --> 03:46:43,040
jobs. We have, you know,

5259
03:46:41,439 --> 03:46:44,800
» Let's if we're going to take something

5260
03:46:43,040 --> 03:46:46,000
from tourism, let's put on there. And I

5261
03:46:44,800 --> 03:46:50,000
really, really would like to get rid of

5262
03:46:46,000 --> 03:46:54,080
the site. I I just, you can't sit here

5263
03:46:50,000 --> 03:46:55,840
in a broke city and continue to bring in

5264
03:46:54,080 --> 03:46:56,640
money and then actually pretend like you

5265
03:46:55,840 --> 03:46:58,399
care about the public.

5266
03:46:56,640 --> 03:46:59,439
» So, I'm not sure how far we can go

5267
03:46:58,399 --> 03:47:00,160
without this statement.

5268
03:46:59,439 --> 03:47:01,840
» I understand.

5269
03:47:00,160 --> 03:47:04,239
» So, I I I want to say I'm not

5270
03:47:01,840 --> 03:47:06,479
discounting the discussion or the habit.

5271
03:47:04,239 --> 03:47:07,760
We're making recommendations. I am

5272
03:47:06,479 --> 03:47:09,760
making a recommendation that council

5273
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:11,279
bring their site.

5274
03:47:09,760 --> 03:47:12,800
» Make a motion

5275
03:47:11,279 --> 03:47:13,120
» And make sure we get the disclosure.

5276
03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:14,880
Yes.

5277
03:47:13,120 --> 03:47:15,600
» Let's let's get the disclosure because

5278
03:47:14,880 --> 03:47:17,680
we can't see.

5279
03:47:15,600 --> 03:47:20,160
» So, I'm going to disclose that I have an

5280
03:47:17,680 --> 03:47:23,600
actual conflict of interest because I do

5281
03:47:20,160 --> 03:47:26,399
receive a stipen for the city of S.

5282
03:47:23,600 --> 03:47:27,439
» Who was

5283
03:47:26,399 --> 03:47:28,479
» For the same reasons?

5284
03:47:27,439 --> 03:47:31,279
» Yeah.

5285
03:47:28,479 --> 03:47:32,880
» Council uh President Chilman.

5286
03:47:31,279 --> 03:47:35,520
» No.

5287
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:36,880
make a motion to get it done.

5288
03:47:35,520 --> 03:47:38,239
» Quick quick question. Well, we'll talk

5289
03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:39,920
about this one, but you started one on

5290
03:47:38,239 --> 03:47:42,399
the table that I think we need to also

5291
03:47:39,920 --> 03:47:43,920
talk about after this one, which is

5292
03:47:42,399 --> 03:47:45,520
front office being closed.

5293
03:47:43,920 --> 03:47:47,920
» I would like to discuss that as well.

5294
03:47:45,520 --> 03:47:48,960
Actually, I would be happy to

5295
03:47:47,920 --> 03:47:51,760
» Go there.

5296
03:47:48,960 --> 03:47:54,319
» I would like to make a motion that

5297
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:58,920
council for council that they forgo

5298
03:47:54,319 --> 03:47:58,920
their statements. Second.

5299
03:47:59,439 --> 03:48:04,319
Uh

5300
03:48:00,960 --> 03:48:06,000
so if you make that motion but we are

5301
03:48:04,319 --> 03:48:07,600
looking to pass a budget today. What's

5302
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:10,239
the ramification here? We have to wait

5303
03:48:07,600 --> 03:48:11,520
for city council to meet before we

5304
03:48:10,239 --> 03:48:12,479
» This recommendation.

5305
03:48:11,520 --> 03:48:14,399
» Oh okay.

5306
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:16,479
» We vote on the totality of it and then

5307
03:48:14,399 --> 03:48:17,359
all of this they could completely toss

5308
03:48:16,479 --> 03:48:18,319
out.

5309
03:48:17,359 --> 03:48:20,800
» They can override it.

5310
03:48:18,319 --> 03:48:23,359
» This whole last three days we've met

5311
03:48:20,800 --> 03:48:26,560
just so they've declared their their

5312
03:48:23,359 --> 03:48:28,640
conflict of interest. However, they can

5313
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:29,600
still vote on it

5314
03:48:28,640 --> 03:48:31,120
» Because they've declared

5315
03:48:29,600 --> 03:48:31,920
» It's under Senate Bill 9.

5316
03:48:31,120 --> 03:48:32,800
» Sure. Sure. Sure.

5317
03:48:31,920 --> 03:48:34,319
» The same thing we talked about.

5318
03:48:32,800 --> 03:48:35,920
» Yeah. I was just checking.

5319
03:48:34,319 --> 03:48:37,920
» I should have said that as well, but

5320
03:48:35,920 --> 03:48:40,560
that is how we are able to talk about it

5321
03:48:37,920 --> 03:48:42,800
is the Senate Bill 983 that allows us to

5322
03:48:40,560 --> 03:48:44,399
talk about any finances, have

5323
03:48:42,800 --> 03:48:44,800
discussions, and vote on it. It's the

5324
03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:45,920
law.

5325
03:48:44,800 --> 03:48:48,960
» Gotcha.

5326
03:48:45,920 --> 03:48:49,840
» As long as rest committee

5327
03:48:48,960 --> 03:48:52,880
allows.

5328
03:48:49,840 --> 03:48:57,279
» Okay. Is there any additional discussion

5329
03:48:52,880 --> 03:48:58,800
before we move to vote on this motion?

5330
03:48:57,279 --> 03:49:00,560
» I just appreciate all their hard work

5331
03:48:58,800 --> 03:49:01,359
and I know how much time they put in.

5332
03:49:00,560 --> 03:49:04,960
» Yeah, it's

5333
03:49:01,359 --> 03:49:07,359
» And uh and I can tell you uh

5334
03:49:04,960 --> 03:49:09,680
it's hard for me. I I know it seems like

5335
03:49:07,359 --> 03:49:11,359
a small number, but it is a big number.

5336
03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:14,160
It's going to help. And we're we are

5337
03:49:11,359 --> 03:49:17,120
down to it. But I want to say that I

5338
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:18,800
know which way I'm going on this, but I

5339
03:49:17,120 --> 03:49:20,479
see the council people at a lot of

5340
03:49:18,800 --> 03:49:22,319
meetings

5341
03:49:20,479 --> 03:49:24,399
and I know how hard they work.

5342
03:49:22,319 --> 03:49:26,319
» So I'd like to have a little bit of

5343
03:49:24,399 --> 03:49:30,239
discussion about that. Like I donate my

5344
03:49:26,319 --> 03:49:33,279
entire stipen. So I I can go either way,

5345
03:49:30,239 --> 03:49:35,680
but I will point out that um for on

5346
03:49:33,279 --> 03:49:37,680
behalf of the other council members that

5347
03:49:35,680 --> 03:49:39,680
they sit up here on the dasis, they are

5348
03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:42,239
cussed at, they are cursed at, they

5349
03:49:39,680 --> 03:49:45,600
incur uh I mean I have incurred at least

5350
03:49:42,239 --> 03:49:47,840
$40,000 in my own personal legal fees

5351
03:49:45,600 --> 03:49:49,600
based on misinformation and accusations.

5352
03:49:47,840 --> 03:49:51,199
And the thing is is that if we're

5353
03:49:49,600 --> 03:49:53,040
expecting people to go to all these

5354
03:49:51,199 --> 03:49:55,439
different meetings and sit up here and

5355
03:49:53,040 --> 03:49:57,680
be verbally abused by citizens on most

5356
03:49:55,439 --> 03:50:00,080
cases, it's really uh probably a hard

5357
03:49:57,680 --> 03:50:04,000
pill to swallow for a lot of my fellow

5358
03:50:00,080 --> 03:50:06,399
council members. Me, I, you know, I I

5359
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:08,960
donate mine anyway, but I I know that

5360
03:50:06,399 --> 03:50:12,319
it's really impactful. And maybe if we

5361
03:50:08,960 --> 03:50:14,640
had a more harmonious and uh nice

5362
03:50:12,319 --> 03:50:16,399
decorum that made it a little easier, I

5363
03:50:14,640 --> 03:50:18,319
can't see that most people would want to

5364
03:50:16,399 --> 03:50:20,080
sit up here and and take that for no

5365
03:50:18,319 --> 03:50:21,600
flitory amount.

5366
03:50:20,080 --> 03:50:23,600
» You know, I think if you're in politics,

5367
03:50:21,600 --> 03:50:25,439
you shouldn't get paid.

5368
03:50:23,600 --> 03:50:28,000
» I don't I don't I mean, I don't disagree

5369
03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:28,319
with that. I But it does make a

5370
03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:29,439
difference.

5371
03:50:28,319 --> 03:50:30,239
» Love your community, you want to show

5372
03:50:29,439 --> 03:50:31,840
up,

5373
03:50:30,239 --> 03:50:35,040
» But

5374
03:50:31,840 --> 03:50:37,040
there's a a lot of people and it's a lot

5375
03:50:35,040 --> 03:50:39,120
a lot of time. like there is that piece

5376
03:50:37,040 --> 03:50:43,920
of it that there is a lot of meetings

5377
03:50:39,120 --> 03:50:46,479
that people go to and

5378
03:50:43,920 --> 03:50:48,319
» More the phone

5379
03:50:46,479 --> 03:50:51,840
» She was not check

5380
03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:53,920
» I I'm I mean I'm not on behalf of my

5381
03:50:51,840 --> 03:50:56,239
fellow council members I'm not going to

5382
03:50:53,920 --> 03:50:59,680
be in me personally I'm not going to be

5383
03:50:56,239 --> 03:51:03,439
in favor just because I see what they go

5384
03:50:59,680 --> 03:51:05,199
through and um I think that

5385
03:51:03,439 --> 03:51:06,479
I think that the amount of work and time

5386
03:51:05,199 --> 03:51:08,640
they put into it. If you look at

5387
03:51:06,479 --> 03:51:12,479
councelor Huard, how much time he has

5388
03:51:08,640 --> 03:51:16,000
put into saving this this city money on

5389
03:51:12,479 --> 03:51:18,239
the value engineering for the police

5390
03:51:16,000 --> 03:51:20,479
department. If you look at how much he

5391
03:51:18,239 --> 03:51:23,359
time he's spending with the Romano

5392
03:51:20,479 --> 03:51:25,120
properties, bringing his skill set down,

5393
03:51:23,359 --> 03:51:27,359
if you look at Gunnerson and what he's

5394
03:51:25,120 --> 03:51:30,000
doing, all the work that councelor Sun's

5395
03:51:27,359 --> 03:51:34,040
doing. Um,

5396
03:51:30,000 --> 03:51:34,040
I mean, I just think that

5397
03:51:34,640 --> 03:51:39,760
so I that's my job is to to advocate for

5398
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:41,920
my fellow council members. So, I will

5399
03:51:39,760 --> 03:51:44,800
not be in favor, but I think

5400
03:51:41,920 --> 03:51:47,760
» Was the motion to recommend a reduction

5401
03:51:44,800 --> 03:51:49,680
or to remove the state

5402
03:51:47,760 --> 03:51:52,080
because we're broke right now. Something

5403
03:51:49,680 --> 03:51:55,520
that a different council could always,

5404
03:51:52,080 --> 03:51:57,520
but we're just referring to them.

5405
03:51:55,520 --> 03:51:59,680
Yeah. Is it not actually cutting them at

5406
03:51:57,520 --> 03:52:01,680
this point?

5407
03:51:59,680 --> 03:52:02,960
» I suppose it puts it on the agenda

5408
03:52:01,680 --> 03:52:04,800
almost.

5409
03:52:02,960 --> 03:52:06,160
» I think it I think it is it should be a

5410
03:52:04,800 --> 03:52:08,319
discussion. I mean, I think I brought it

5411
03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:09,840
up like a few months ago council. I

5412
03:52:08,319 --> 03:52:12,880
think it should be discussed, but I

5413
03:52:09,840 --> 03:52:14,319
think that the different dynamic. So,

5414
03:52:12,880 --> 03:52:16,960
I'd have to advocate for my council

5415
03:52:14,319 --> 03:52:18,399
members. I get nothing out of it. So,

5416
03:52:16,960 --> 03:52:20,800
» I will advocate for them.

5417
03:52:18,399 --> 03:52:22,800
» I agree. It it should be discussed. I

5418
03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:24,160
think um I would love to be in a

5419
03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:25,760
position where I could donate my whole

5420
03:52:24,160 --> 03:52:27,520
stipend. I'm not currently in that

5421
03:52:25,760 --> 03:52:29,040
position. I'd love to be someone that

5422
03:52:27,520 --> 03:52:31,520
could live anywhere in the world. I'm

5423
03:52:29,040 --> 03:52:34,800
not I live here because I can afford to

5424
03:52:31,520 --> 03:52:36,880
live here barely. Um I have a job. This

5425
03:52:34,800 --> 03:52:38,960
is not my job. So I have a full-time job

5426
03:52:36,880 --> 03:52:41,920
that pays the bills. I didn't do this

5427
03:52:38,960 --> 03:52:43,680
because of the money. Um but I take time

5428
03:52:41,920 --> 03:52:45,520
off of my work so that I can come here

5429
03:52:43,680 --> 03:52:48,800
and fulfill council duties and attend

5430
03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:50,239
meetings. And so, um,

5431
03:52:48,800 --> 03:52:52,160
just something to keep in mind. There is

5432
03:52:50,239 --> 03:52:56,239
a lot that goes into this, a lot that

5433
03:52:52,160 --> 03:52:58,479
that people don't see and understand and

5434
03:52:56,239 --> 03:53:00,880
and that's fine. But again, I'd love to

5435
03:52:58,479 --> 03:53:03,279
be in a position where this wasn't a

5436
03:53:00,880 --> 03:53:04,960
part of my income, but it is. And it's

5437
03:53:03,279 --> 03:53:07,439
not a decision that this council made.

5438
03:53:04,960 --> 03:53:09,520
It's a decision that was made long ago,

5439
03:53:07,439 --> 03:53:12,239
many councils ago. So again, I'm not

5440
03:53:09,520 --> 03:53:14,160
here for the money, but

5441
03:53:12,239 --> 03:53:16,399
it's not much, but it does it does help

5442
03:53:14,160 --> 03:53:17,680
me.

5443
03:53:16,399 --> 03:53:19,199
» Councelor Hubard, do you have anything

5444
03:53:17,680 --> 03:53:22,399
to say?

5445
03:53:19,199 --> 03:53:25,359
» Well, I'm sort of in the same as as uh

5446
03:53:22,399 --> 03:53:28,000
Brandon. Um

5447
03:53:25,359 --> 03:53:30,880
when I'm working for the city doing what

5448
03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:35,520
I'm asked, um I'm not working for my

5449
03:53:30,880 --> 03:53:38,319
company. And uh this one's job is taken

5450
03:53:35,520 --> 03:53:40,960
much more today. Let's see. right now

5451
03:53:38,319 --> 03:53:42,800
about 13 hours I've been working on city

5452
03:53:40,960 --> 03:53:44,239
things of today only.

5453
03:53:42,800 --> 03:53:47,920
» Thank you for that.

5454
03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:50,319
» Uh I would say you know if you want to

5455
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:52,640
pay me 1% of what I'm saving the city

5456
03:53:50,319 --> 03:53:56,040
what I've figured I'm doing that's fine.

5457
03:53:52,640 --> 03:53:56,040
I'll do that

5458
03:53:56,720 --> 03:54:01,359
then then I'll be doing pretty good. I

5459
03:53:58,560 --> 03:54:02,880
won't have to have my own job. So I

5460
03:54:01,359 --> 03:54:06,560
don't I think it's it's it's a give and

5461
03:54:02,880 --> 03:54:08,479
take and if people don't feel we're

5462
03:54:06,560 --> 03:54:10,640
worth it then

5463
03:54:08,479 --> 03:54:13,840
» It's not a matter of worth it's that we

5464
03:54:10,640 --> 03:54:15,199
are broke our city is broke and you have

5465
03:54:13,840 --> 03:54:16,880
to find money somewhere we have

5466
03:54:15,199 --> 03:54:18,319
employees that are coming to us saying

5467
03:54:16,880 --> 03:54:19,920
we don't know if we have a job or not

5468
03:54:18,319 --> 03:54:22,880
and I personally think it's in good

5469
03:54:19,920 --> 03:54:25,040
faith that people that are being elected

5470
03:54:22,880 --> 03:54:27,600
let go money right now until we get on

5471
03:54:25,040 --> 03:54:28,239
our feet that's my opinion

5472
03:54:27,600 --> 03:54:29,840
» Election coming

5473
03:54:28,239 --> 03:54:32,000
» I think at a minimum I would send a very

5474
03:54:29,840 --> 03:54:36,080
positive uh message to the voters,

5475
03:54:32,000 --> 03:54:38,399
especially if if another fee is proposed

5476
03:54:36,080 --> 03:54:41,120
on the ballot to at least see sort of

5477
03:54:38,399 --> 03:54:43,279
this token of city council saying,

5478
03:54:41,120 --> 03:54:45,520
"Yeah, we got a hard job. We got this

5479
03:54:43,279 --> 03:54:47,600
stipen. We understand it's meaningful,

5480
03:54:45,520 --> 03:54:49,520
but as a sort of a token of we're going

5481
03:54:47,600 --> 03:54:51,279
to take a cut while the city takes a

5482
03:54:49,520 --> 03:54:53,359
cut." I I think there's room for

5483
03:54:51,279 --> 03:54:56,479
discussion there, whether it's reduction

5484
03:54:53,359 --> 03:54:58,560
to a dollar or some percentage. Um, but

5485
03:54:56,479 --> 03:55:00,720
I'm not generally opposed to stipens. I

5486
03:54:58,560 --> 03:55:02,479
think it's a it's a it's a particular

5487
03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:04,640
circumstance of hard times right now.

5488
03:55:02,479 --> 03:55:08,000
» This does include a 10% reduction in

5489
03:55:04,640 --> 03:55:09,520
their stipen in this budget already

5490
03:55:08,000 --> 03:55:10,479
clarification that is already

5491
03:55:09,520 --> 03:55:12,560
» Yeah. What's that?

5492
03:55:10,479 --> 03:55:14,479
» That they the stipens have been reduced

5493
03:55:12,560 --> 03:55:15,199
by 10% year over year.

5494
03:55:14,479 --> 03:55:15,520
» Yeah. Here,

5495
03:55:15,199 --> 03:55:18,319
» Right?

5496
03:55:15,520 --> 03:55:20,399
» Is this how about this? I'm not trying

5497
03:55:18,319 --> 03:55:21,520
to kill this, but we are in discussion.

5498
03:55:20,399 --> 03:55:25,439
» Yeah.

5499
03:55:21,520 --> 03:55:27,120
» Um we cut it to half and we say that

5500
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:29,359
it's going to be front-loaded. It'll be

5501
03:55:27,120 --> 03:55:31,359
gone January 1. That way, those people

5502
03:55:29,359 --> 03:55:33,040
that are sitting will make it through.

5503
03:55:31,359 --> 03:55:34,720
And nobody says you have to keep you

5504
03:55:33,040 --> 03:55:38,000
don't you don't have to run again. You

5505
03:55:34,720 --> 03:55:41,720
can you can bail out

5506
03:55:38,000 --> 03:55:41,720
an election in November.

5507
03:55:43,279 --> 03:55:47,439
» Yeah. It's not worth it to me.

5508
03:55:45,520 --> 03:55:49,040
» That's an that's an interesting idea.

5509
03:55:47,439 --> 03:55:53,279
» Then you can just say I'm not going to

5510
03:55:49,040 --> 03:55:54,960
do it anymore. And you know, you know,

5511
03:55:53,279 --> 03:55:56,720
Russ, I appreciate the time. And I can

5512
03:55:54,960 --> 03:55:58,160
tell you my time is equal to yours today

5513
03:55:56,720 --> 03:56:00,160
and yesterday and the amount of time

5514
03:55:58,160 --> 03:56:00,479
I've spent on this with this pile of

5515
03:56:00,160 --> 03:56:02,560
work.

5516
03:56:00,479 --> 03:56:04,080
» Well, just the budget alone, I can I can

5517
03:56:02,560 --> 03:56:06,080
vouch for the amount of hours I've put

5518
03:56:04,080 --> 03:56:08,239
in. I can only imagine the time you're

5519
03:56:06,080 --> 03:56:10,960
putting in the amount of hours,

5520
03:56:08,239 --> 03:56:13,680
» But that way the people who are

5521
03:56:10,960 --> 03:56:16,560
dependent on it same as the employees

5522
03:56:13,680 --> 03:56:19,760
here, right? that you could you could be

5523
03:56:16,560 --> 03:56:21,359
saying six months is going away and that

5524
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:25,040
way people who are

5525
03:56:21,359 --> 03:56:27,120
» We could do a stipen furlow

5526
03:56:25,040 --> 03:56:28,880
» It comes back and break my brain right

5527
03:56:27,120 --> 03:56:31,600
now I'm having a really hard time with

5528
03:56:28,880 --> 03:56:33,520
basically

5529
03:56:31,600 --> 03:56:34,880
» Actually

5530
03:56:33,520 --> 03:56:37,439
I don't know I'm just I'm just saying if

5531
03:56:34,880 --> 03:56:39,040
what we're looking for is a temporary

5532
03:56:37,439 --> 03:56:40,399
» Adjustment it could be reviewed again in

5533
03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:41,760
the future but we could say we're taking

5534
03:56:40,399 --> 03:56:43,520
a a break

5535
03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:45,840
» That is legally in the setting council

5536
03:56:43,520 --> 03:56:47,040
members cannot vote CSL.

5537
03:56:45,840 --> 03:56:47,680
» Yes. Yes, we can.

5538
03:56:47,040 --> 03:56:50,239
» They can vote.

5539
03:56:47,680 --> 03:56:52,479
» Senate bill 983 that allows us to is the

5540
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:54,160
purpose of that whole entire law is that

5541
03:56:52,479 --> 03:56:56,800
they that's why it went in effect is

5542
03:56:54,160 --> 03:56:58,960
because of those pre precise reasons and

5543
03:56:56,800 --> 03:57:00,960
municipalities having somebody in a

5544
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:03,279
family member. It's such a small minutia

5545
03:57:00,960 --> 03:57:04,960
of the budget. But yeah, that's exactly

5546
03:57:03,279 --> 03:57:07,359
why as you had people like

5547
03:57:04,960 --> 03:57:08,399
» They can vote to increase their pay.

5548
03:57:07,359 --> 03:57:10,640
» They can.

5549
03:57:08,399 --> 03:57:10,960
» Gloria, can we can we earmark money for

5550
03:57:10,640 --> 03:57:13,120
six?

5551
03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:14,560
» Yeah, it's it's crazy. Like literally

5552
03:57:13,120 --> 03:57:15,279
like

5553
03:57:14,560 --> 03:57:16,880
» For six months

5554
03:57:15,279 --> 03:57:17,600
» Because it was obviously something we

5555
03:57:16,880 --> 03:57:18,800
looked into

5556
03:57:17,600 --> 03:57:22,720
» The line item

5557
03:57:18,800 --> 03:57:24,720
» Reduce this by half and basically that's

5558
03:57:22,720 --> 03:57:26,560
» And you say that's your recommendation

5559
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:29,920
and yeah you can do it that way.

5560
03:57:26,560 --> 03:57:32,080
» Could could we say that if if the budget

5561
03:57:29,920 --> 03:57:34,080
comes in too high basically hold the

5562
03:57:32,080 --> 03:57:36,640
stipens back for the whole year and if

5563
03:57:34,080 --> 03:57:38,160
the budget doesn't pan out we run over

5564
03:57:36,640 --> 03:57:40,080
budget

5565
03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:42,720
we don't pay stipens. It's make it a

5566
03:57:40,080 --> 03:57:45,720
contingent contingent payout on

5567
03:57:42,720 --> 03:57:45,720
performance.

5568
03:57:46,800 --> 03:57:51,359
» Let's align some incentives here.

5569
03:57:49,279 --> 03:57:54,479
» You know, the budget is the budget and

5570
03:57:51,359 --> 03:57:54,880
then and it's either there to to to

5571
03:57:54,479 --> 03:57:55,920
work.

5572
03:57:54,880 --> 03:57:57,680
» But if you knew

5573
03:57:55,920 --> 03:57:59,279
» Determination, it's May. We're going to

5574
03:57:57,680 --> 03:58:02,160
say you don't get next month's stipen

5575
03:57:59,279 --> 03:58:04,560
next year if the budget goes over.

5576
03:58:02,160 --> 03:58:07,600
» No. Would the stipen would be paid at a

5577
03:58:04,560 --> 03:58:08,880
lump sum annually then?

5578
03:58:07,600 --> 03:58:10,319
Well, that doesn't get us where we need

5579
03:58:08,880 --> 03:58:12,960
to go because we've got other people

5580
03:58:10,319 --> 03:58:13,680
that are saying, "Am I should I should I

5581
03:58:12,960 --> 03:58:15,279
take this job?"

5582
03:58:13,680 --> 03:58:17,120
» I'm just presenting another another

5583
03:58:15,279 --> 03:58:17,920
option that may get an incentive

5584
03:58:17,120 --> 03:58:19,760
alignment.

5585
03:58:17,920 --> 03:58:22,800
» See what you're saying? I look at it

5586
03:58:19,760 --> 03:58:24,560
from a political lens and that's that's

5587
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:28,239
bad thing that could happen. I wouldn't

5588
03:58:24,560 --> 03:58:29,840
I wouldn't do that. Um, and honestly, I

5589
03:58:28,239 --> 03:58:32,880
think we're hashing something out that's

5590
03:58:29,840 --> 03:58:34,640
going to go to them anyway. So, I think

5591
03:58:32,880 --> 03:58:35,600
we just move on the motion and let them

5592
03:58:34,640 --> 03:58:38,880
decide because they're going to decide

5593
03:58:35,600 --> 03:58:41,600
to do what they want to do. Always out.

5594
03:58:38,880 --> 03:58:44,560
» Okay. Right in discussion.

5595
03:58:41,600 --> 03:58:46,160
» Right. Let's move to a vote. All in

5596
03:58:44,560 --> 03:58:46,880
favor?

5597
03:58:46,160 --> 03:58:48,880
» I

5598
03:58:46,880 --> 03:58:51,840
» I

5599
03:58:48,880 --> 03:58:55,040
» I.

5600
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:57,600
» That was Tusky Gilbert Evans. Who else

5601
03:58:55,040 --> 03:58:57,600
said yes?

5602
03:58:58,960 --> 03:59:04,880
Uh, all oppose, please say nay.

5603
03:59:02,880 --> 03:59:06,399
» Jeremy, real quick. It was 50%, right?

5604
03:59:04,880 --> 03:59:07,680
Or it was that they were adopted.

5605
03:59:06,399 --> 03:59:08,640
» It was just that they review.

5606
03:59:07,680 --> 03:59:11,120
» Oh, yeah.

5607
03:59:08,640 --> 03:59:12,000
» Yeah, absolutely. It's just for review.

5608
03:59:11,120 --> 03:59:14,239
» Yeah, for review.

5609
03:59:12,000 --> 03:59:16,479
» Okay. So, is that Are you now

5610
03:59:14,239 --> 03:59:18,560
» The motion was to review getting rid of

5611
03:59:16,479 --> 03:59:19,600
the statement,

5612
03:59:18,560 --> 03:59:21,199
» Right? But it's not

5613
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:22,720
» Take it out. That's coming out of the

5614
03:59:21,199 --> 03:59:25,840
budget. That's not an

5615
03:59:22,720 --> 03:59:27,920
» We're asking them to remove there's no

5616
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:28,239
» Oh, are you saying 100% remove all of

5617
03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:30,080
it?

5618
03:59:28,239 --> 03:59:32,880
» That's what my motion was for and then

5619
03:59:30,080 --> 03:59:35,520
they can decide. It's just it's just

5620
03:59:32,880 --> 03:59:36,800
» Well, no, we're making I make

5621
03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:38,239
recommendation, but they're the ones

5622
03:59:36,800 --> 03:59:39,680
that make

5623
03:59:38,239 --> 03:59:41,279
» What's the motion on the table?

5624
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:42,160
» Let's repeat the motion. We'll repeat

5625
03:59:41,279 --> 03:59:47,520
the

5626
03:59:42,160 --> 03:59:48,960
» I move to remove the siphon

5627
03:59:47,520 --> 03:59:50,560
council.

5628
03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:52,000
» Okay. I think that's a different motion

5629
03:59:50,560 --> 03:59:53,680
than I heard before. Before it was a

5630
03:59:52,000 --> 03:59:55,600
recommendation for city council.

5631
03:59:53,680 --> 03:59:57,199
» I just meant that it goes what we're

5632
03:59:55,600 --> 03:59:58,800
doing right now. All of this is a

5633
03:59:57,199 --> 03:59:59,439
recommendation that that goes off.

5634
03:59:58,800 --> 04:00:00,399
» Okay.

5635
03:59:59,439 --> 04:00:01,840
» That's what I meant by that.

5636
04:00:00,399 --> 04:00:02,000
» We had a motion on the table.

5637
04:00:01,840 --> 04:00:03,600
» True.

5638
04:00:02,000 --> 04:00:05,600
» We did. We got to close that. We've got

5639
04:00:03,600 --> 04:00:06,720
to close that. I agree. We've got to

5640
04:00:05,600 --> 04:00:08,319
close that one. We'll have to make

5641
04:00:06,720 --> 04:00:10,319
another motion because the way it was

5642
04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:12,479
understood before was a recommendation

5643
04:00:10,319 --> 04:00:15,600
for city council to review,

5644
04:00:12,479 --> 04:00:18,000
» Not not to change a line item.

5645
04:00:15,600 --> 04:00:20,880
» That's fine. But what I I said it was

5646
04:00:18,000 --> 04:00:22,720
for me. That was my talking.

5647
04:00:20,880 --> 04:00:23,120
» So that was the motion.

5648
04:00:22,720 --> 04:00:25,680
» Yes.

5649
04:00:23,120 --> 04:00:27,199
» Okay. And it was seconded, right?

5650
04:00:25,680 --> 04:00:27,680
» Well, I'm not sure it was clearly

5651
04:00:27,199 --> 04:00:30,239
understood.

5652
04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:31,760
» It was not. It came across as review.

5653
04:00:30,239 --> 04:00:33,199
Maybe we just need to finish that.

5654
04:00:31,760 --> 04:00:35,199
» Just let's just go through the procedure

5655
04:00:33,199 --> 04:00:37,920
here. So, we've got the motion which is

5656
04:00:35,199 --> 04:00:42,520
to set the

5657
04:00:37,920 --> 04:00:42,520
uh the side bends to zero.

5658
04:00:42,960 --> 04:00:44,399
That's

5659
04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:47,680
» Your motion. Is that your motion? That's

5660
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:49,439
my motion. Second. Second. Uh, all those

5661
04:00:47,680 --> 04:00:51,040
in favor, please say yay.

5662
04:00:49,439 --> 04:00:54,040
» I

5663
04:00:51,040 --> 04:00:54,040
» I

5664
04:00:55,279 --> 04:00:56,399
say I

5665
04:00:55,920 --> 04:01:01,239
» I

5666
04:00:56,399 --> 04:01:01,239
» Okay, all opposed. We've

5667
04:01:01,680 --> 04:01:06,080
» Passes.

5668
04:01:03,279 --> 04:01:08,319
» Okay, there we go. 62 grand. We uh

5669
04:01:06,080 --> 04:01:11,199
» We have now found

5670
04:01:08,319 --> 04:01:13,680
» $265,000

5671
04:01:11,199 --> 04:01:15,680
for the general fund. Well, now we need

5672
04:01:13,680 --> 04:01:17,680
to talk about Right.

5673
04:01:15,680 --> 04:01:18,160
» Well, what I got some more line items I

5674
04:01:17,680 --> 04:01:20,399
want to go.

5675
04:01:18,160 --> 04:01:21,680
» Well, I I'm not sure what you're

5676
04:01:20,399 --> 04:01:23,760
referring to, but were you referring to

5677
04:01:21,680 --> 04:01:24,720
uh the hours of operation? Going back to

5678
04:01:23,760 --> 04:01:26,399
that topic. Okay.

5679
04:01:24,720 --> 04:01:28,160
» Yeah, I did have on my thing that

5680
04:01:26,399 --> 04:01:29,840
discussed with reopening the city and

5681
04:01:28,160 --> 04:01:31,359
keeping it open, ensuring that we have

5682
04:01:29,840 --> 04:01:34,000
budgeted enough money to keep it open

5683
04:01:31,359 --> 04:01:36,960
all year. What is budget going to allow

5684
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:39,279
us to do that?

5685
04:01:36,960 --> 04:01:42,880
» No, we I think we know that, right? So I

5686
04:01:39,279 --> 04:01:45,439
think the question is how much it cost

5687
04:01:42,880 --> 04:01:48,399
to keep the

5688
04:01:45,439 --> 04:01:52,080
normal business hours at the city

5689
04:01:48,399 --> 04:01:53,680
offices uh open to the

5690
04:01:52,080 --> 04:01:55,760
citizens to come. I think that's the

5691
04:01:53,680 --> 04:01:56,399
concern right Steve is that the hours

5692
04:01:55,760 --> 04:01:58,720
have been

5693
04:01:56,399 --> 04:02:00,560
» One of my points discuss reopening the

5694
04:01:58,720 --> 04:02:02,160
city and keeping it open and ensuring

5695
04:02:00,560 --> 04:02:04,479
that we have budgeted enough money to

5696
04:02:02,160 --> 04:02:05,439
keep it open all year

5697
04:02:04,479 --> 04:02:07,520
» By keeping it open.

5698
04:02:05,439 --> 04:02:09,359
» Mayor had suggested moving over some of

5699
04:02:07,520 --> 04:02:10,080
the tax a lobbying pack

5700
04:02:09,359 --> 04:02:11,680
» That's already done.

5701
04:02:10,080 --> 04:02:13,199
» Yeah. So, hold that thought for a

5702
04:02:11,680 --> 04:02:14,720
second. I think let's define what it is.

5703
04:02:13,199 --> 04:02:16,880
Are we talking about 9 to5 Monday

5704
04:02:14,720 --> 04:02:18,080
through Friday?

5705
04:02:16,880 --> 04:02:18,880
» Well, it's Yes.

5706
04:02:18,080 --> 04:02:20,720
» Yeah.

5707
04:02:18,880 --> 04:02:22,479
» I think that that this is more of a

5708
04:02:20,720 --> 04:02:24,000
diverse question, right? Because then is

5709
04:02:22,479 --> 04:02:25,520
it just keeping the doors open? Is it

5710
04:02:24,000 --> 04:02:27,279
one person in front of like what is

5711
04:02:25,520 --> 04:02:29,520
actually that mean? Is it just having

5712
04:02:27,279 --> 04:02:31,359
open doors? We might not have the staff

5713
04:02:29,520 --> 04:02:32,560
to facilitate any of the needs for the

5714
04:02:31,359 --> 04:02:34,080
people that comes through the doors, but

5715
04:02:32,560 --> 04:02:35,600
it's the goal to have somebody stationed

5716
04:02:34,080 --> 04:02:37,199
there 9 to5. Do you see what I'm saying?

5717
04:02:35,600 --> 04:02:39,120
Am I saying that we needed two

5718
04:02:37,199 --> 04:02:41,199
employees, right? Because the handling

5719
04:02:39,120 --> 04:02:42,960
of money and we could get into some

5720
04:02:41,199 --> 04:02:46,560
risk.

5721
04:02:42,960 --> 04:02:48,960
» Well, there's there's more to that than

5722
04:02:46,560 --> 04:02:54,960
budget. Looking at the budget, there's

5723
04:02:48,960 --> 04:02:58,479
more to that. We this budget includes

5724
04:02:54,960 --> 04:03:02,080
laying off two of the front staff. So,

5725
04:02:58,479 --> 04:03:05,760
one in utility billing and one in um

5726
04:03:02,080 --> 04:03:07,760
administrative assistant here. So, Those

5727
04:03:05,760 --> 04:03:11,359
those are two reductions. And then

5728
04:03:07,760 --> 04:03:13,439
everybody else is on furlows. So a

5729
04:03:11,359 --> 04:03:16,239
reduced week

5730
04:03:13,439 --> 04:03:18,080
at 36 hours a week.

5731
04:03:16,239 --> 04:03:18,560
» We've restored the library. We restored

5732
04:03:18,080 --> 04:03:19,760
the wreck.

5733
04:03:18,560 --> 04:03:22,080
» You did.

5734
04:03:19,760 --> 04:03:22,720
» But everybody else in city hall is on

5735
04:03:22,080 --> 04:03:24,560
furlows.

5736
04:03:22,720 --> 04:03:26,160
» We have $265,000

5737
04:03:24,560 --> 04:03:28,960
now.

5738
04:03:26,160 --> 04:03:33,359
» That's not going to

5739
04:03:28,960 --> 04:03:35,520
that's not going to go far enough to um

5740
04:03:33,359 --> 04:03:36,479
keep

5741
04:03:35,520 --> 04:03:39,040
Keep the doors open.

5742
04:03:36,479 --> 04:03:41,760
» What? What?

5743
04:03:39,040 --> 04:03:44,160
» Level seven. What are the hours today?

5744
04:03:41,760 --> 04:03:46,080
What doors are open? What hours?

5745
04:03:44,160 --> 04:03:49,040
» The annex is open.

5746
04:03:46,080 --> 04:03:51,359
» Just the annex and it's open

5747
04:03:49,040 --> 04:03:51,600
um which days and times. I'm just trying

5748
04:03:51,359 --> 04:03:54,239
to

5749
04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:55,279
» Well, it's not open now. I'm thinking

5750
04:03:54,239 --> 04:03:58,080
last week

5751
04:03:55,279 --> 04:03:59,680
» Door open is 8:30 to 5.

5752
04:03:58,080 --> 04:04:01,920
» 8:30 to 5 with an hour left.

5753
04:03:59,680 --> 04:04:04,640
» 8 to 12, 1 to 5 Monday through Friday.

5754
04:04:01,920 --> 04:04:06,080
» Okay. Pretty typical. And that's Monday

5755
04:04:04,640 --> 04:04:06,479
through Friday.

5756
04:04:06,080 --> 04:04:09,040
» Yes,

5757
04:04:06,479 --> 04:04:11,120
» It is until the furlows go into effect.

5758
04:04:09,040 --> 04:04:11,760
Yeah.

5759
04:04:11,120 --> 04:04:15,520
» We

5760
04:04:11,760 --> 04:04:18,479
» Okay. Post furls it will be

5761
04:04:15,520 --> 04:04:19,520
hours

5762
04:04:18,479 --> 04:04:21,680
only. Right.

5763
04:04:19,520 --> 04:04:24,800
» Haven't fully vetted that out. But the

5764
04:04:21,680 --> 04:04:29,080
the the challenge is is that we're

5765
04:04:24,800 --> 04:04:29,080
reduced staff and reduced

5766
04:04:29,199 --> 04:04:33,680
we lost staff and reduced hours. So, we

5767
04:04:31,840 --> 04:04:36,479
still have some critical work to be to

5768
04:04:33,680 --> 04:04:37,840
get done and

5769
04:04:36,479 --> 04:04:38,399
» Definely have an impact on our hours to

5770
04:04:37,840 --> 04:04:40,800
the public,

5771
04:04:38,399 --> 04:04:41,520
» Right? It's going to impact our public

5772
04:04:40,800 --> 04:04:44,160
hours.

5773
04:04:41,520 --> 04:04:46,399
» Okay. So, we're we're not settled on

5774
04:04:44,160 --> 04:04:48,399
exactly what the reduction is going to

5775
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:50,640
look like. We just know it's less hours,

5776
04:04:48,399 --> 04:04:51,199
less availability to the public,

5777
04:04:50,640 --> 04:04:54,960
» Right?

5778
04:04:51,199 --> 04:04:58,479
» What department is in what department if

5779
04:04:54,960 --> 04:05:00,479
we funded it able there to be more open

5780
04:04:58,479 --> 04:05:02,239
hours?

5781
04:05:00,479 --> 04:05:05,359
uh

5782
04:05:02,239 --> 04:05:06,720
finance and administration

5783
04:05:05,359 --> 04:05:08,640
» Using the community development

5784
04:05:06,720 --> 04:05:12,000
assistant was a big loss because it

5785
04:05:08,640 --> 04:05:13,760
supports Jacob supports Mike Jacob's

5786
04:05:12,000 --> 04:05:15,600
having to do very administrative intense

5787
04:05:13,760 --> 04:05:17,920
things rather than working on planning

5788
04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:18,800
for the city and we're just one big

5789
04:05:17,920 --> 04:05:20,479
project

5790
04:05:18,800 --> 04:05:23,040
» Coming through the door away from big

5791
04:05:20,479 --> 04:05:24,399
number because we have 265,000 that mean

5792
04:05:23,040 --> 04:05:25,520
you know another 100 grand we should

5793
04:05:24,399 --> 04:05:27,760
start looking through here to find

5794
04:05:25,520 --> 04:05:29,439
another 100 another 100 from the police

5795
04:05:27,760 --> 04:05:32,560
I don't know but how do we keep the

5796
04:05:29,439 --> 04:05:34,319
doors is open.

5797
04:05:32,560 --> 04:05:36,399
» That position would go a long ways.

5798
04:05:34,319 --> 04:05:37,120
» Is that the admin assistant?

5799
04:05:36,399 --> 04:05:38,800
» Yeah, the planning.

5800
04:05:37,120 --> 04:05:43,640
» I'll tell you how much

5801
04:05:38,800 --> 04:05:43,640
» To add those two positions.

5802
04:05:52,239 --> 04:05:57,680
» While she's getting those, there's still

5803
04:05:54,399 --> 04:06:01,279
the furlows to 36 hours a week. Does any

5804
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:02,479
of that affect staffing or that's just I

5805
04:06:01,279 --> 04:06:06,080
cannot know. It does.

5806
04:06:02,479 --> 04:06:08,319
» Are we staggering those days?

5807
04:06:06,080 --> 04:06:09,040
» Administr was to not stagger the days so

5808
04:06:08,319 --> 04:06:12,720
that would

5809
04:06:09,040 --> 04:06:13,840
» Oh, to so the one like,

5810
04:06:12,720 --> 04:06:15,040
you know, if we're going to be closed to

5811
04:06:13,840 --> 04:06:17,120
the public, we'd like it to be

5812
04:06:15,040 --> 04:06:18,800
consistent.

5813
04:06:17,120 --> 04:06:20,239
» Develop an expectation of when we're

5814
04:06:18,800 --> 04:06:23,359
open and closed.

5815
04:06:20,239 --> 04:06:24,640
» Sounds like they're leaving

5816
04:06:23,359 --> 04:06:26,000
because they're new jobs. So then what

5817
04:06:24,640 --> 04:06:27,600
are we going to do? That's what it

5818
04:06:26,000 --> 04:06:28,080
sounded like to me. They were trying to

5819
04:06:27,600 --> 04:06:29,520
find jobs.

5820
04:06:28,080 --> 04:06:31,600
» Oh, that Well, they were notified they

5821
04:06:29,520 --> 04:06:33,359
were going to lose their position.

5822
04:06:31,600 --> 04:06:34,800
You looking too? Yeah.

5823
04:06:33,359 --> 04:06:36,239
» Well, but then we What are we going to

5824
04:06:34,800 --> 04:06:38,319
do?

5825
04:06:36,239 --> 04:06:40,720
» Well, what we do is we put a job out

5826
04:06:38,319 --> 04:06:42,800
there and we say, "This is how much it

5827
04:06:40,720 --> 04:06:44,479
pays and we hope somebody lands the ad

5828
04:06:42,800 --> 04:06:46,720
and we train them and we have them come

5829
04:06:44,479 --> 04:06:50,600
work for us." Hopefully,

5830
04:06:46,720 --> 04:06:50,600
» That's that's what you do.

5831
04:06:51,359 --> 04:06:55,199
» I don't know. I'm just trying to put a

5832
04:06:53,359 --> 04:06:58,880
number in so we can have the doors.

5833
04:06:55,199 --> 04:07:00,800
» I am curious to see what

5834
04:06:58,880 --> 04:07:02,239
» And Gloria Gloria is gonna

5835
04:07:00,800 --> 04:07:05,439
» Yeah, it's

5836
04:07:02,239 --> 04:07:06,319
» Right. Can we can we shove that?

5837
04:07:05,439 --> 04:07:08,000
» Yeah, let's do that.

5838
04:07:06,319 --> 04:07:10,880
» So, can we talk about million dollars

5839
04:07:08,000 --> 04:07:13,199
for a stage? Um, I don't know where that

5840
04:07:10,880 --> 04:07:15,279
money is coming from, but I want to

5841
04:07:13,199 --> 04:07:17,040
» Did you come up with that?

5842
04:07:15,279 --> 04:07:18,960
I saw it as well

5843
04:07:17,040 --> 04:07:20,560
» And and I think it's being financed

5844
04:07:18,960 --> 04:07:24,160
through

5845
04:07:20,560 --> 04:07:25,920
» It's a a placeholder

5846
04:07:24,160 --> 04:07:27,279
» In the community development fund

5847
04:07:25,920 --> 04:07:29,439
onetime revenue funds.

5848
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:34,840
» Yeah.

5849
04:07:29,439 --> 04:07:34,840
» Says it be augmented by a grant

5850
04:07:35,120 --> 04:07:41,120
» Grant. Yeah. There is placeholder.

5851
04:07:37,840 --> 04:07:43,840
» Okay. So we Okay. I move that there's

5852
04:07:41,120 --> 04:07:45,439
also $1 million in funding of a stage.

5853
04:07:43,840 --> 04:07:46,960
» Before we get too far, I just want to

5854
04:07:45,439 --> 04:07:48,560
clarify.

5855
04:07:46,960 --> 04:07:50,640
We make an adjustment of this. So, you

5856
04:07:48,560 --> 04:07:51,279
cut it. There's no impact on the general

5857
04:07:50,640 --> 04:07:53,120
fund.

5858
04:07:51,279 --> 04:07:54,720
» No impact on any fund. There's no money

5859
04:07:53,120 --> 04:07:55,439
there already.

5860
04:07:54,720 --> 04:07:57,279
» There is.

5861
04:07:55,439 --> 04:07:58,239
» There there is some money. There's a

5862
04:07:57,279 --> 04:08:00,160
balance in that fund.

5863
04:07:58,239 --> 04:08:01,439
» You know what? Honestly, I'd rather tax

5864
04:08:00,160 --> 04:08:03,120
the community development.

5865
04:08:01,439 --> 04:08:05,600
» Not arguing for it. I'm just stating a

5866
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:07,600
fact. If there is money in the fund, it

5867
04:08:05,600 --> 04:08:09,120
won't affect the job. Just

5868
04:08:07,600 --> 04:08:11,279
» Yeah. I don't want to spend a million

5869
04:08:09,120 --> 04:08:13,120
dollars on stage. And

5870
04:08:11,279 --> 04:08:14,960
» I mean, on that topic, thinking about a

5871
04:08:13,120 --> 04:08:17,680
stage, I heard the number. I don't know

5872
04:08:14,960 --> 04:08:21,040
if it's right or not. $40,000 to rent a

5873
04:08:17,680 --> 04:08:23,439
stage, which in my mind, you could rent

5874
04:08:21,040 --> 04:08:26,960
one for 50 years or something, you know,

5875
04:08:23,439 --> 04:08:29,520
a very long 20 years at least for the

5876
04:08:26,960 --> 04:08:30,960
million-dollar cost. So, I don't know,

5877
04:08:29,520 --> 04:08:32,880
you know, I don't know enough detail

5878
04:08:30,960 --> 04:08:34,479
about the project itself, but it seems

5879
04:08:32,880 --> 04:08:38,960
like in the financial condition we're

5880
04:08:34,479 --> 04:08:41,040
in, we tend towards lower costs than a

5881
04:08:38,960 --> 04:08:42,720
one-time investment.

5882
04:08:41,040 --> 04:08:44,479
» I was saying it may have a grant.

5883
04:08:42,720 --> 04:08:48,160
» Well, and that's great, too, but then if

5884
04:08:44,479 --> 04:08:49,279
the grant hasn't been secured, maybe we

5885
04:08:48,160 --> 04:08:49,600
shouldn't be put pushing it through

5886
04:08:49,279 --> 04:08:52,160
here.

5887
04:08:49,600 --> 04:08:53,920
» It's in a fund that doesn't exist.

5888
04:08:52,160 --> 04:08:56,399
» I I agree with one time revenue fund.

5889
04:08:53,920 --> 04:08:57,040
It's not There's no recurring things

5890
04:08:56,399 --> 04:08:59,120
happening there.

5891
04:08:57,040 --> 04:09:01,840
» Yeah. Yeah, but at the same time then

5892
04:08:59,120 --> 04:09:03,760
that's spending a million dollars of

5893
04:09:01,840 --> 04:09:06,560
non-recurring revenue and we'd want to

5894
04:09:03,760 --> 04:09:07,840
make sure we're spending it very wisely

5895
04:09:06,560 --> 04:09:09,520
» And that we don't

5896
04:09:07,840 --> 04:09:11,520
» And I think a grant's a great idea. I

5897
04:09:09,520 --> 04:09:13,840
just think we should secure the grant

5898
04:09:11,520 --> 04:09:15,920
before we spend the money. In fact, I

5899
04:09:13,840 --> 04:09:17,600
think I mean if necessary, let's say

5900
04:09:15,920 --> 04:09:19,439
let's say the grant is secured mid year

5901
04:09:17,600 --> 04:09:23,920
or something, could a supplemental

5902
04:09:19,439 --> 04:09:25,680
budget be done to pull it in?

5903
04:09:23,920 --> 04:09:26,800
there's a grant then I'm sure they can

5904
04:09:25,680 --> 04:09:31,120
discuss it but

5905
04:09:26,800 --> 04:09:33,760
» So so okay so on that on that basis I'm

5906
04:09:31,120 --> 04:09:35,359
I'm good with this discussion understand

5907
04:09:33,760 --> 04:09:39,600
» Okay I'm going to make a motion that we

5908
04:09:35,359 --> 04:09:43,359
remove the Columbia View Park stage of

5909
04:09:39,600 --> 04:09:46,960
$1 million from the proposed budget at

5910
04:09:43,359 --> 04:09:48,960
page $119 of 147

5911
04:09:46,960 --> 04:09:51,199
» Okay we've got a second

5912
04:09:48,960 --> 04:09:54,319
» I need to catch up on that where is that

5913
04:09:51,199 --> 04:09:56,720
» That's at page 119 of There's a $1

5914
04:09:54,319 --> 04:10:00,279
million line item.

5915
04:09:56,720 --> 04:10:00,279
We'll see clearly.

5916
04:10:02,080 --> 04:10:06,160
» That's that's actually budgeted in the

5917
04:10:04,640 --> 04:10:08,080
community development fund

5918
04:10:06,160 --> 04:10:09,760
» Capital improvement project.

5919
04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:10,640
» It's Yeah, but that's not the fund where

5920
04:10:09,760 --> 04:10:11,920
it's budgeting at.

5921
04:10:10,640 --> 04:10:13,680
» Yeah, that's my understanding. It's

5922
04:10:11,920 --> 04:10:18,000
coming out through

5923
04:10:13,680 --> 04:10:20,160
» That community development under uh

5924
04:10:18,000 --> 04:10:22,319
liberty

5925
04:10:20,160 --> 04:10:25,600
for a million dollar.

5926
04:10:22,319 --> 04:10:27,600
» Yeah. So, right. And and this is really

5927
04:10:25,600 --> 04:10:28,800
where it shows up and becomes obvious

5928
04:10:27,600 --> 04:10:30,239
because I think you're right. It's

5929
04:10:28,800 --> 04:10:33,680
actually inside of a lineup.

5930
04:10:30,239 --> 04:10:35,760
» Yeah. So, that's page 85,

5931
04:10:33,680 --> 04:10:38,000
» Which actually it made it kind of tricky

5932
04:10:35,760 --> 04:10:40,000
to understand what was going on.

5933
04:10:38,000 --> 04:10:42,160
» Okay. I make a motion. I've already had

5934
04:10:40,000 --> 04:10:44,479
a motion. It's the same motion. Just

5935
04:10:42,160 --> 04:10:46,960
want to get the page right. that the

5936
04:10:44,479 --> 04:10:49,120
expenditure

5937
04:10:46,960 --> 04:10:51,279
capital outlay

5938
04:10:49,120 --> 04:10:53,520
budgeted in the community development

5939
04:10:51,279 --> 04:10:55,199
fund of $1 million

5940
04:10:53,520 --> 04:11:00,560
riverfront

5941
04:10:55,199 --> 04:11:04,520
which was part for Columbia Bart stage

5942
04:11:00,560 --> 04:11:04,520
moved from the proposed budget.

5943
04:11:08,399 --> 04:11:14,160
All right. Any further discussion before

5944
04:11:10,960 --> 04:11:16,160
we move to a vote?

5945
04:11:14,160 --> 04:11:18,800
» I don't know how a stage is a million

5946
04:11:16,160 --> 04:11:19,279
dollars. So, I've a little bit,

5947
04:11:18,800 --> 04:11:20,960
» You know,

5948
04:11:19,279 --> 04:11:22,239
» I I don't know the details of it, but I

5949
04:11:20,960 --> 04:11:24,479
don't know how it's a million.

5950
04:11:22,239 --> 04:11:25,680
» I'm kind of on the same page. It um I

5951
04:11:24,479 --> 04:11:27,439
mean, I believe you could spend a

5952
04:11:25,680 --> 04:11:30,560
million dollars on one, but I also

5953
04:11:27,439 --> 04:11:31,920
wondered has any planning or or work

5954
04:11:30,560 --> 04:11:35,279
been done around this? I mean there's a

5955
04:11:31,920 --> 04:11:36,640
full design for his new stance floor and

5956
04:11:35,279 --> 04:11:37,439
like a dressing room kind of thing on

5957
04:11:36,640 --> 04:11:41,560
the side.

5958
04:11:37,439 --> 04:11:41,560
» It's very beautiful architectural

5959
04:11:41,600 --> 04:11:45,279
front project. It was a cut in

5960
04:11:43,279 --> 04:11:47,279
riverfront project.

5961
04:11:45,279 --> 04:11:48,399
It was very expensive.

5962
04:11:47,279 --> 04:11:49,760
» That makes more sense.

5963
04:11:48,399 --> 04:11:51,199
» It's not like why we cut it.

5964
04:11:49,760 --> 04:11:54,239
» That's not how it comes across though,

5965
04:11:51,199 --> 04:11:57,279
John. It comes across as like you in a

5966
04:11:54,239 --> 04:11:59,120
stage and

5967
04:11:57,279 --> 04:12:00,640
» Engineering on it and the design. But

5968
04:11:59,120 --> 04:12:02,479
» Yeah, that makes sense. No

5969
04:12:00,640 --> 04:12:05,920
» Question them. Have you done any audio?

5970
04:12:02,479 --> 04:12:07,840
And they did not and can pour money on

5971
04:12:05,920 --> 04:12:08,399
that. Okay. I don't have a lot of faith

5972
04:12:07,840 --> 04:12:09,279
in that.

5973
04:12:08,399 --> 04:12:10,800
» Okay.

5974
04:12:09,279 --> 04:12:12,720
» It's good to know because I think up

5975
04:12:10,800 --> 04:12:15,279
here like it's nice to understand more.

5976
04:12:12,720 --> 04:12:17,600
» Well, maybe it's worth some further

5977
04:12:15,279 --> 04:12:19,439
council discussion or or something later

5978
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:20,880
and we can postpone it.

5979
04:12:19,439 --> 04:12:21,199
» See, the city's open.

5980
04:12:20,880 --> 04:12:22,399
» Yeah.

5981
04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:23,760
» Yeah.

5982
04:12:22,399 --> 04:12:25,279
» We start spending a million dollars on

5983
04:12:23,760 --> 04:12:27,520
the stage. I mean, I I I do have to say

5984
04:12:25,279 --> 04:12:29,840
I think if if we build a stage and then

5985
04:12:27,520 --> 04:12:30,239
we end up having fewer police officers,

5986
04:12:29,840 --> 04:12:31,439
» Yeah.

5987
04:12:30,239 --> 04:12:33,439
» It's not going to be a good look.

5988
04:12:31,439 --> 04:12:35,840
» We have no cops. City stores aren't

5989
04:12:33,439 --> 04:12:38,080
open, but man, do we have a stage?

5990
04:12:35,840 --> 04:12:39,840
» Yeah.

5991
04:12:38,080 --> 04:12:42,160
» Right.

5992
04:12:39,840 --> 04:12:44,479
» Okay. So, we had a motion. We had a

5993
04:12:42,160 --> 04:12:47,920
second. Any other discussion before we

5994
04:12:44,479 --> 04:12:49,600
move to a vote? Hearing none. All those

5995
04:12:47,920 --> 04:12:52,600
in favor, please say I.

5996
04:12:49,600 --> 04:12:52,600
» I.

5997
04:12:52,880 --> 04:12:55,680
Everybody was back there.

5998
04:12:54,399 --> 04:12:56,720
» Yeah, that was an easy one. Thanks,

5999
04:12:55,680 --> 04:12:58,080
guys.

6000
04:12:56,720 --> 04:13:00,399
» Okay. And then while we're on community

6001
04:12:58,080 --> 04:13:06,000
development fund, the industrial

6002
04:13:00,399 --> 04:13:10,239
business park, the proposed $15,146,000

6003
04:13:06,000 --> 04:13:13,199
expenditure. Is that for the

6004
04:13:10,239 --> 04:13:14,720
Is that for the Is that for the power

6005
04:13:13,199 --> 04:13:17,439
substation?

6006
04:13:14,720 --> 04:13:19,439
» It is. And there's a um It's a pass

6007
04:13:17,439 --> 04:13:22,080
through revenue that pays for that.

6008
04:13:19,439 --> 04:13:23,680
» I was just checking on that. Thank you.

6009
04:13:22,080 --> 04:13:27,520
Um and then

6010
04:13:23,680 --> 04:13:28,640
» Can can I actually um

6011
04:13:27,520 --> 04:13:31,359
before we start digging into other

6012
04:13:28,640 --> 04:13:33,439
stuff, did we have a an answer on the

6013
04:13:31,359 --> 04:13:37,920
previous item we

6014
04:13:33,439 --> 04:13:41,120
» So to replace the two front office

6015
04:13:37,920 --> 04:13:44,319
positions that are being laid off, it

6016
04:13:41,120 --> 04:13:46,640
would be $170,000.

6017
04:13:44,319 --> 04:13:48,319
» We we have recovered enough to do that

6018
04:13:46,640 --> 04:13:50,239
to fund that. And that would go to which

6019
04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:51,760
department?

6020
04:13:50,239 --> 04:13:56,000
Um

6021
04:13:51,760 --> 04:14:00,720
roughly half would go to uh finance

6022
04:13:56,000 --> 04:14:02,720
and a quarter would go to planning and a

6023
04:14:00,720 --> 04:14:06,640
quarter would go to building.

6024
04:14:02,720 --> 04:14:07,279
» Does that put Jacob back to full-time?

6025
04:14:06,640 --> 04:14:08,800
» No,

6026
04:14:07,279 --> 04:14:11,040
» This doesn't affect the furlow hours.

6027
04:14:08,800 --> 04:14:13,359
» No, this is just the front office hours,

6028
04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:14,479
» But the assistant worked with him. So,

6029
04:14:13,359 --> 04:14:17,439
he would have

6030
04:14:14,479 --> 04:14:19,840
» Yeah, this is just the front office,

6031
04:14:17,439 --> 04:14:21,520
those two positions. So one more time.

6032
04:14:19,840 --> 04:14:22,560
» It doesn't it doesn't contemplate

6033
04:14:21,520 --> 04:14:24,239
furlows for those

6034
04:14:22,560 --> 04:14:26,640
» More time on the numbers right which

6035
04:14:24,239 --> 04:14:28,239
department I'm sorry just want to jot

6036
04:14:26,640 --> 04:14:30,080
them down.

6037
04:14:28,239 --> 04:14:32,080
» I heard quarter to planning

6038
04:14:30,080 --> 04:14:35,600
» A quarter to planning a quarter to

6039
04:14:32,080 --> 04:14:38,080
building and a half to finance.

6040
04:14:35,600 --> 04:14:40,000
» Can I ask you a question? That's for two

6041
04:14:38,080 --> 04:14:42,239
people right for front is what we just

6042
04:14:40,000 --> 04:14:43,520
decided right you need two people

6043
04:14:42,239 --> 04:14:45,760
» Or can you close for lunch?

6044
04:14:43,520 --> 04:14:49,359
» It's each side. We do close for lunch.

6045
04:14:45,760 --> 04:14:51,600
» Okay. We do need two people.

6046
04:14:49,359 --> 04:14:54,720
because

6047
04:14:51,600 --> 04:14:57,199
» Right so one's utility billing on on the

6048
04:14:54,720 --> 04:14:58,159
annex side and one is the administrative

6049
04:14:57,199 --> 04:15:00,560
system on this side

6050
04:14:58,159 --> 04:15:02,159
» So that takes care of the risks

6051
04:15:00,560 --> 04:15:04,159
that we you were talking about

6052
04:15:02,159 --> 04:15:07,120
» Right

6053
04:15:04,159 --> 04:15:10,120
» 25

6054
04:15:07,120 --> 04:15:10,120
so

6055
04:15:23,520 --> 04:15:28,040
So half goes to which one again?

6056
04:15:28,960 --> 04:15:32,640
» Finance

6057
04:15:30,720 --> 04:15:34,159
to building quarter to planning.

6058
04:15:32,640 --> 04:15:38,479
» Yeah, I'm going to move that. Well, can

6059
04:15:34,159 --> 04:15:40,880
we I want to So we've got our 265,000,

6060
04:15:38,479 --> 04:15:42,800
right?

6061
04:15:40,880 --> 04:15:44,000
From 67,500

6062
04:15:42,800 --> 04:15:45,199
from the council's tip,

6063
04:15:44,000 --> 04:15:46,880
» Right? We were going to put that in the

6064
04:15:45,199 --> 04:15:49,600
reserve. So now you're looking at taking

6065
04:15:46,880 --> 04:15:51,680
that

6066
04:15:49,600 --> 04:15:55,800
» No, no, no. Because we're still we're

6067
04:15:51,680 --> 04:15:55,800
sticking with a 9% reserve.

6068
04:15:56,159 --> 04:16:00,000
» You want to put in reserves, but

6069
04:15:57,840 --> 04:16:01,600
» No, no. I mean, I thought you were you

6070
04:16:00,000 --> 04:16:03,199
were spending from what we just found,

6071
04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:03,920
which was going to go into the reserve.

6072
04:16:03,199 --> 04:16:07,199
That's my point,

6073
04:16:03,920 --> 04:16:09,760
» Right? I And I was taking what we found

6074
04:16:07,199 --> 04:16:13,359
and and plugging it into

6075
04:16:09,760 --> 04:16:16,239
50% into finance, 25% into building, and

6076
04:16:13,359 --> 04:16:17,120
then what was the other one?

6077
04:16:16,239 --> 04:16:17,680
planning building.

6078
04:16:17,120 --> 04:16:18,960
» Yeah. So,

6079
04:16:17,680 --> 04:16:21,359
» But then but then you're taking out of

6080
04:16:18,960 --> 04:16:24,239
the reserve effectively.

6081
04:16:21,359 --> 04:16:27,600
» No. Oh, no. We We have a 9% reserve

6082
04:16:24,239 --> 04:16:30,560
after we finished the police discussion.

6083
04:16:27,600 --> 04:16:34,000
Found $265,000.

6084
04:16:30,560 --> 04:16:36,000
» We had five and then we found $200,000

6085
04:16:34,000 --> 04:16:39,680
more dollars which got us to about

6086
04:16:36,000 --> 04:16:44,159
seven. And now you're proposing we pull

6087
04:16:39,680 --> 04:16:46,640
100. No, no. We've got 300,000 from

6088
04:16:44,159 --> 04:16:48,000
300,000 from GIF.

6089
04:16:46,640 --> 04:16:49,520
» We can plug all of that into the

6090
04:16:48,000 --> 04:16:51,520
worksheet and where we're at.

6091
04:16:49,520 --> 04:16:54,080
» That'd be great. I But just to clarify,

6092
04:16:51,520 --> 04:16:57,040
Steve, the uh the the line item went

6093
04:16:54,080 --> 04:16:57,920
from 100,000 to 300,000 on the GFSS

6094
04:16:57,040 --> 04:16:59,840
charge. Correct.

6095
04:16:57,920 --> 04:17:01,199
» Which is a plus 200,000.

6096
04:16:59,840 --> 04:17:03,600
» Correct. 200.

6097
04:17:01,199 --> 04:17:05,760
» And then that's so that goes into the

6098
04:17:03,600 --> 04:17:09,359
general fund and then would be added to

6099
04:17:05,760 --> 04:17:10,479
the reserve to take it from five to 7%.

6100
04:17:09,359 --> 04:17:10,880
» Correct. Correct.

6101
04:17:10,479 --> 04:17:13,120
» Okay.

6102
04:17:10,880 --> 04:17:15,439
» And then and then we took 200,000 from

6103
04:17:13,120 --> 04:17:17,359
the police materials and services that

6104
04:17:15,439 --> 04:17:17,840
brought us to 9%.

6105
04:17:17,359 --> 04:17:19,920
» Yes.

6106
04:17:17,840 --> 04:17:22,239
» Right. So Okay. And so then but then if

6107
04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:24,800
you go and take this 170 now you're

6108
04:17:22,239 --> 04:17:26,319
backing back down to about seven.

6109
04:17:24,800 --> 04:17:27,199
» No. No. No. Because

6110
04:17:26,319 --> 04:17:29,520
» Should be

6111
04:17:27,199 --> 04:17:31,439
» Well that 9% was made before we made any

6112
04:17:29,520 --> 04:17:35,359
other cuts. So what we did is we cut the

6113
04:17:31,439 --> 04:17:36,960
675. So that gave us some extra money.

6114
04:17:35,359 --> 04:17:39,279
And

6115
04:17:36,960 --> 04:17:41,840
and I don't know where the other where

6116
04:17:39,279 --> 04:17:42,319
did the other mystery money come from.

6117
04:17:41,840 --> 04:17:44,159
» What's that?

6118
04:17:42,319 --> 04:17:45,600
» We haven't we actually we actually had

6119
04:17:44,159 --> 04:17:47,120
» On my list. Yeah. No, that's

6120
04:17:45,600 --> 04:17:47,359
» That's in a minute after we get done

6121
04:17:47,120 --> 04:17:48,880
with this.

6122
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:52,720
» I just want to make sure we're all Okay.

6123
04:17:48,880 --> 04:17:57,279
So, we we had plus 100k to the general

6124
04:17:52,720 --> 04:17:59,920
fund from uh

6125
04:17:57,279 --> 04:18:02,399
» Okay. Plus 65k

6126
04:17:59,920 --> 04:18:06,960
from stipens.

6127
04:18:02,399 --> 04:18:07,760
Then plus 300. Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

6128
04:18:06,960 --> 04:18:08,479
» Right.

6129
04:18:07,760 --> 04:18:09,279
» If you want,

6130
04:18:08,479 --> 04:18:11,520
» Please.

6131
04:18:09,279 --> 04:18:13,600
» If you want to. Yeah, we already

6132
04:18:11,520 --> 04:18:15,279
» I'm just collecting up just numbers. We

6133
04:18:13,600 --> 04:18:18,159
we we

6134
04:18:15,279 --> 04:18:21,680
took action on here. Okay. So, we freed

6135
04:18:18,159 --> 04:18:24,680
up concept

6136
04:18:21,680 --> 04:18:24,680
565,000.

6137
04:18:26,880 --> 04:18:32,560
» I thought it was 200 from the base,

6138
04:18:30,720 --> 04:18:33,680
» Wasn't it? Uh

6139
04:18:32,560 --> 04:18:37,199
» Oh. We

6140
04:18:33,680 --> 04:18:39,840
» Into the professional

6141
04:18:37,199 --> 04:18:42,080
» Then 200 was still sitting out there for

6142
04:18:39,840 --> 04:18:46,040
materials and services. We put in for

6143
04:18:42,080 --> 04:18:46,040
personnel, excuse me, 100,000.

6144
04:18:46,800 --> 04:18:51,080
» We we we kept 4,36,900

6145
04:18:51,279 --> 04:18:55,600
personnel.

6146
04:18:53,120 --> 04:19:01,159
We reduced materials and services by

6147
04:18:55,600 --> 04:19:01,159
200. We added 200 for GFSs.

6148
04:19:01,439 --> 04:19:08,600
Uh,

6149
04:19:03,359 --> 04:19:08,600
and that's that gets us to a 9% reserve.

6150
04:19:12,000 --> 04:19:17,600
Okay. So then the 675 is on top of that.

6151
04:19:15,520 --> 04:19:19,120
» I'm not I'm not sure this math is is

6152
04:19:17,600 --> 04:19:20,800
completely mathing. I think I'd like to

6153
04:19:19,120 --> 04:19:22,880
see Gloria plugging in some numbers and

6154
04:19:20,800 --> 04:19:25,520
she'll validate those.

6155
04:19:22,880 --> 04:19:27,040
» It's 100 It's 1% per 100,000.

6156
04:19:25,520 --> 04:19:29,520
» No, no. I understand that. Leave that

6157
04:19:27,040 --> 04:19:31,439
aside. Just not sure I'm agreeing with

6158
04:19:29,520 --> 04:19:34,080
the even the totals and the way you're

6159
04:19:31,439 --> 04:19:34,479
thinking about debits and credits here

6160
04:19:34,080 --> 04:19:36,960
because

6161
04:19:34,479 --> 04:19:39,920
» We added to 200,000. We added 200,000

6162
04:19:36,960 --> 04:19:41,359
for two GFSs.

6163
04:19:39,920 --> 04:19:42,000
» Agreed. So, we're agreed on that one.

6164
04:19:41,359 --> 04:19:44,880
That's

6165
04:19:42,000 --> 04:19:47,920
» And then we and then we took 200,000

6166
04:19:44,880 --> 04:19:49,600
from police materials and services.

6167
04:19:47,920 --> 04:19:52,479
» You need to look at that as what you did

6168
04:19:49,600 --> 04:19:53,439
is you put money in the general fund by

6169
04:19:52,479 --> 04:19:54,720
taking it out of the

6170
04:19:53,439 --> 04:19:55,920
» That's correct. That's why it added to

6171
04:19:54,720 --> 04:19:58,000
our reserves.

6172
04:19:55,920 --> 04:20:01,000
» 200K,

6173
04:19:58,000 --> 04:20:01,000
» Correct?

6174
04:20:01,040 --> 04:20:05,359
» And you have 65.

6175
04:20:03,600 --> 04:20:07,840
» 675.

6176
04:20:05,359 --> 04:20:10,560
» 675.

6177
04:20:07,840 --> 04:20:12,479
» So five. So

6178
04:20:10,560 --> 04:20:13,760
» I'm trying to figure out where the other

6179
04:20:12,479 --> 04:20:15,920
200.

6180
04:20:13,760 --> 04:20:18,399
» See, that's that's where I'm

6181
04:20:15,920 --> 04:20:19,520
» Oh, I see. That was confusing.

6182
04:20:18,399 --> 04:20:21,600
» See, I was wondering where the other

6183
04:20:19,520 --> 04:20:23,920
money came from. We don't have the

6184
04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:28,199
200,000 that we wanted to. All right.

6185
04:20:23,920 --> 04:20:28,199
So, we're at 675 then.

6186
04:20:31,600 --> 04:20:35,199
» We cut tourism's budget back.

6187
04:20:34,399 --> 04:20:37,120
» We did.

6188
04:20:35,199 --> 04:20:39,120
» I wanted to get rid of them.

6189
04:20:37,120 --> 04:20:42,080
» Did I just cut it back?

6190
04:20:39,120 --> 04:20:44,800
» Or did we give it We cut We cut their

6191
04:20:42,080 --> 04:20:46,159
expenses back to

6192
04:20:44,800 --> 04:20:46,880
» They're not in the general fund. They're

6193
04:20:46,159 --> 04:20:50,319
not in

6194
04:20:46,880 --> 04:20:51,840
» 158,000. I think was we sent 200 of that

6195
04:20:50,319 --> 04:20:53,279
to the general fund and the rest went

6196
04:20:51,840 --> 04:20:55,359
down the contingency line.

6197
04:20:53,279 --> 04:20:59,439
» Right. Right. So the confusing part for

6198
04:20:55,359 --> 04:21:04,159
me was you said 265,000 and using 65 it

6199
04:20:59,439 --> 04:21:06,880
says 675 but I had already committed the

6200
04:21:04,159 --> 04:21:08,399
200,000 from

6201
04:21:06,880 --> 04:21:11,920
tourism

6202
04:21:08,399 --> 04:21:13,600
money to GFSS

6203
04:21:11,920 --> 04:21:16,080
200,000

6204
04:21:13,600 --> 04:21:19,439
from police materials and services to

6205
04:21:16,080 --> 04:21:21,520
build our reserves to 9%.

6206
04:21:19,439 --> 04:21:24,880
Because the idea was to get the reserves

6207
04:21:21,520 --> 04:21:26,159
to 9%. And then so now by cutting

6208
04:21:24,880 --> 04:21:28,159
council stipens.

6209
04:21:26,159 --> 04:21:30,960
» So if you take the 200 and 200 I agree

6210
04:21:28,159 --> 04:21:34,159
we're at 9%. Set that aside. Okay. So

6211
04:21:30,960 --> 04:21:35,840
now we got the 65 and the stipen

6212
04:21:34,159 --> 04:21:38,640
» 6075

6213
04:21:35,840 --> 04:21:39,520
and 1 cent. I don't know.

6214
04:21:38,640 --> 04:21:41,040
» 675.

6215
04:21:39,520 --> 04:21:42,319
» Yeah it's it's fine.

6216
04:21:41,040 --> 04:21:44,080
» Okay.

6217
04:21:42,319 --> 04:21:46,239
» 675

6218
04:21:44,080 --> 04:21:48,319
which you're saying we haven't decided

6219
04:21:46,239 --> 04:21:48,800
where that's

6220
04:21:48,319 --> 04:21:51,600
» Correct

6221
04:21:48,800 --> 04:21:54,640
» Used. Okay. Are there any other for

6222
04:21:51,600 --> 04:21:56,159
» One? We could fund one position

6223
04:21:54,640 --> 04:21:56,960
» Either

6224
04:21:56,159 --> 04:22:00,800
» And and then

6225
04:21:56,960 --> 04:22:05,279
» The quarter 66 66250

6226
04:22:00,800 --> 04:22:09,279
» 60 What's your number again? 67.5,000

6227
04:22:05,279 --> 04:22:12,960
» 675 is the

6228
04:22:09,279 --> 04:22:17,760
» Then we're looking for 170.

6229
04:22:12,960 --> 04:22:19,279
» We're looking at for 26 uh 265,000.

6230
04:22:17,760 --> 04:22:22,159
Isn't that right, Gloria? Is that the

6231
04:22:19,279 --> 04:22:22,880
total for the

6232
04:22:22,159 --> 04:22:24,000
» For the what?

6233
04:22:22,880 --> 04:22:26,880
» I didn't hear that. I heard one.

6234
04:22:24,000 --> 04:22:28,319
» You said 170,000 to fill the two front

6235
04:22:26,880 --> 04:22:31,279
office.

6236
04:22:28,319 --> 04:22:32,239
» The GFS fees from they're the transit

6237
04:22:31,279 --> 04:22:33,760
lodging tax for

6238
04:22:32,239 --> 04:22:37,120
» That's exactly where I was going to go.

6239
04:22:33,760 --> 04:22:39,840
I was like we got 6075 here. I think we

6240
04:22:37,120 --> 04:22:42,840
could maybe make up most of the gap with

6241
04:22:39,840 --> 04:22:42,840
the

6242
04:22:42,960 --> 04:22:47,439
» But it's only 85.

6243
04:22:44,399 --> 04:22:49,680
» That's right. So we're at

6244
04:22:47,439 --> 04:22:51,439
150 250

6245
04:22:49,680 --> 04:22:52,239
» Got 175 to go.

6246
04:22:51,439 --> 04:22:55,120
» They can't figure that.

6247
04:22:52,239 --> 04:22:57,359
» I want I want to insert a little bit

6248
04:22:55,120 --> 04:22:59,920
more information. But once we get it to

6249
04:22:57,359 --> 04:23:02,000
this point

6250
04:22:59,920 --> 04:23:04,399
» But I think conceptually we're kind of

6251
04:23:02,000 --> 04:23:07,040
on the same page.

6252
04:23:04,399 --> 04:23:10,399
» 525 with 6.75

6253
04:23:07,040 --> 04:23:13,600
in the stipens and half of the tourism

6254
04:23:10,399 --> 04:23:16,000
lodging taxes.

6255
04:23:13,600 --> 04:23:19,520
» Okay. Okay. So half of the lodging taxes

6256
04:23:16,000 --> 04:23:21,760
to the general fund.

6257
04:23:19,520 --> 04:23:22,880
» Yeah.

6258
04:23:21,760 --> 04:23:24,479
» So I'll say the same thing

6259
04:23:22,880 --> 04:23:26,399
» Was another 85.

6260
04:23:24,479 --> 04:23:28,560
» So effectively that's going to be

6261
04:23:26,399 --> 04:23:32,159
reducing the contingency in the tourism

6262
04:23:28,560 --> 04:23:36,159
fund by 85.

6263
04:23:32,159 --> 04:23:37,199
» Just stating it to make it clear.

6264
04:23:36,159 --> 04:23:39,120
» So I think that

6265
04:23:37,199 --> 04:23:40,640
» Okay. So I want to make sure that I've

6266
04:23:39,120 --> 04:23:43,920
got everything first. Okay.

6267
04:23:40,640 --> 04:23:46,720
» Okay. before we do anything else. So,

6268
04:23:43,920 --> 04:23:48,479
we've reduced

6269
04:23:46,720 --> 04:23:50,319
council stipens.

6270
04:23:48,479 --> 04:23:53,760
» Yes. Here's here's a question.

6271
04:23:50,319 --> 04:23:55,359
» So, no, no, no. Let me finish part make

6272
04:23:53,760 --> 04:23:59,279
sure that I've got I've captured

6273
04:23:55,359 --> 04:24:03,359
everything. Um, we've reduced lease

6274
04:23:59,279 --> 04:24:06,319
materials and services by 200,000.

6275
04:24:03,359 --> 04:24:10,560
We've added

6276
04:24:06,319 --> 04:24:14,159
another 200,000 from the tourism plus

6277
04:24:10,560 --> 04:24:16,800
another 85,000. So 285,000 from tourism

6278
04:24:14,159 --> 04:24:20,520
fund is a plus

6279
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:20,520
» To the general fund.

6280
04:24:23,439 --> 04:24:27,920
» Okay. So is that everything that's

6281
04:24:25,279 --> 04:24:30,960
general fund related?

6282
04:24:27,920 --> 04:24:32,479
» Is this stipen paid from the general

6283
04:24:30,960 --> 04:24:34,080
fund? Yes.

6284
04:24:32,479 --> 04:24:36,399
Did you say that? Did I miss it? I think

6285
04:24:34,080 --> 04:24:37,680
there's another 67

6286
04:24:36,399 --> 04:24:38,319
» 67,000.

6287
04:24:37,680 --> 04:24:42,720
» Maybe I just

6288
04:24:38,319 --> 04:24:45,120
» $500 for the stipens that is removed.

6289
04:24:42,720 --> 04:24:46,479
That's reduced, right?

6290
04:24:45,120 --> 04:24:47,760
» Yep.

6291
04:24:46,479 --> 04:24:51,439
» Okay. So, I've got

6292
04:24:47,760 --> 04:24:54,640
» So, so we've got a a 200,000 plus in the

6293
04:24:51,439 --> 04:24:58,080
general fund, an 85,000

6294
04:24:54,640 --> 04:25:01,080
200, and then a reduction in expense of

6295
04:24:58,080 --> 04:25:01,080
675.

6296
04:25:01,279 --> 04:25:04,279
Okay.

6297
04:25:04,640 --> 04:25:08,560
» Plus the reduction from the police.

6298
04:25:07,600 --> 04:25:10,720
» 200,000 from

6299
04:25:08,560 --> 04:25:13,359
» Yep. 200. So Okay. There's a 200,000

6300
04:25:10,720 --> 04:25:15,279
police, 85,000

6301
04:25:13,359 --> 04:25:21,880
tourism.

6302
04:25:15,279 --> 04:25:21,880
Uh a $200,000 tourism item and then 675

6303
04:25:22,159 --> 04:25:27,040
tax reduction.

6304
04:25:25,359 --> 04:25:30,040
» See where we're at?

6305
04:25:27,040 --> 04:25:30,040
» Five.

6306
04:25:31,120 --> 04:25:35,279
No, we

6307
04:25:33,359 --> 04:25:35,680
» That was the first motion and then it

6308
04:25:35,279 --> 04:25:38,479
got

6309
04:25:35,680 --> 04:25:40,000
» So that puts us at a 9% reserve.

6310
04:25:38,479 --> 04:25:42,080
» Yeah, I I

6311
04:25:40,000 --> 04:25:44,560
» Okay, so I want to do a little more

6312
04:25:42,080 --> 04:25:48,399
clarification as far as the layoffs and

6313
04:25:44,560 --> 04:25:51,120
furlows. So we've with this

6314
04:25:48,399 --> 04:25:53,359
um we've replaced

6315
04:25:51,120 --> 04:25:55,680
not laying off

6316
04:25:53,359 --> 04:25:58,479
uh two of the

6317
04:25:55,680 --> 04:26:00,159
front office people. Okay, we still

6318
04:25:58,479 --> 04:26:03,120
haven't

6319
04:26:00,159 --> 04:26:08,439
um addressed furls. Those furls are

6320
04:26:03,120 --> 04:26:08,439
still going to happen. So um

6321
04:26:08,720 --> 04:26:14,000
this is um

6322
04:26:11,279 --> 04:26:16,159
furls would still happen. Okay. So

6323
04:26:14,000 --> 04:26:20,080
you've you've not we've not laid off

6324
04:26:16,159 --> 04:26:22,720
these two people, these two positions,

6325
04:26:20,080 --> 04:26:24,640
but we still have the furlows to

6326
04:26:22,720 --> 04:26:29,279
» What are starting? 4 hours

6327
04:26:24,640 --> 04:26:32,399
» 4 hours a week for all city hall staff.

6328
04:26:29,279 --> 04:26:34,960
» So any% reduction effectively

6329
04:26:32,399 --> 04:26:36,560
effectively

6330
04:26:34,960 --> 04:26:39,040
» That management too like

6331
04:26:36,560 --> 04:26:40,399
» And so that will still

6332
04:26:39,040 --> 04:26:43,199
» Yes.

6333
04:26:40,399 --> 04:26:47,840
» And but that will still

6334
04:26:43,199 --> 04:26:49,359
um affect open times.

6335
04:26:47,840 --> 04:26:54,239
It'll

6336
04:26:49,359 --> 04:26:57,840
help with the work and certainly keep

6337
04:26:54,239 --> 04:27:00,479
people employed, but um it's still we'll

6338
04:26:57,840 --> 04:27:03,920
still have that.

6339
04:27:00,479 --> 04:27:06,399
» Well, certainly there's a day that's

6340
04:27:03,920 --> 04:27:08,880
probably your known but fast busy day.

6341
04:27:06,399 --> 04:27:12,800
Um I'm not buried. We have to get to

6342
04:27:08,880 --> 04:27:16,520
that point. I mean, broke um I'd like to

6343
04:27:12,800 --> 04:27:16,520
find it somewhere, but

6344
04:27:17,680 --> 04:27:24,000
Well, we can't staff we

6345
04:27:22,399 --> 04:27:25,520
think

6346
04:27:24,000 --> 04:27:28,239
» I don't know the union the last year

6347
04:27:25,520 --> 04:27:30,640
what they came to us and said

6348
04:27:28,239 --> 04:27:32,720
we don't want furlows we want to I

6349
04:27:30,640 --> 04:27:37,159
forget what it was they was something

6350
04:27:32,720 --> 04:27:37,159
that they want to keep their

6351
04:27:37,359 --> 04:27:41,920
» Their

6352
04:27:38,960 --> 04:27:46,479
cola or something I'm trying to

6353
04:27:41,920 --> 04:27:50,319
» Right it was a no so what you had um

6354
04:27:46,479 --> 04:27:55,319
approved and what was adopted last year

6355
04:27:50,319 --> 04:27:55,319
was no colas, no furlows,

6356
04:27:55,359 --> 04:27:57,840
» Everybody.

6357
04:27:57,120 --> 04:28:00,720
Um

6358
04:27:57,840 --> 04:28:04,080
» Right for for for the staff.

6359
04:28:00,720 --> 04:28:07,600
» That was for the for the that was for

6360
04:28:04,080 --> 04:28:11,960
the union employees. So it would be

6361
04:28:07,600 --> 04:28:11,960
police and ask me

6362
04:28:13,279 --> 04:28:17,439
it was

6363
04:28:16,159 --> 04:28:18,960
got a couple more line items with what

6364
04:28:17,439 --> 04:28:20,080
the mayor said she had something she's

6365
04:28:18,960 --> 04:28:22,080
chomping on. So I don't want

6366
04:28:20,080 --> 04:28:24,800
» No, we actually got it had it on the

6367
04:28:22,080 --> 04:28:25,680
queue about the trans we got it. We got

6368
04:28:24,800 --> 04:28:27,439
that done.

6369
04:28:25,680 --> 04:28:30,880
» If you've got a a next one, go for it.

6370
04:28:27,439 --> 04:28:35,840
» Well, um I am concerned about the Mrick

6371
04:28:30,880 --> 04:28:37,680
litigation $55,000 that we owe now for

6372
04:28:35,840 --> 04:28:40,640
ord

6373
04:28:37,680 --> 04:28:43,199
sanctions. And my understanding is

6374
04:28:40,640 --> 04:28:44,880
$1,000 a day

6375
04:28:43,199 --> 04:28:47,520
uh that we are going to have to pay

6376
04:28:44,880 --> 04:28:49,680
under court order that we don't have the

6377
04:28:47,520 --> 04:28:52,720
opportunity to appeal.

6378
04:28:49,680 --> 04:28:55,600
I'm just wondering are we planning to

6379
04:28:52,720 --> 04:28:58,800
are we just budgeting for, you know,

6380
04:28:55,600 --> 04:29:00,800
another couple hundred,000 and $1,000 a

6381
04:28:58,800 --> 04:29:02,399
day or what are we doing with that?

6382
04:29:00,800 --> 04:29:04,800
» Stop for one second. You guys didn't

6383
04:29:02,399 --> 04:29:05,600
actually motion that whole conversation.

6384
04:29:04,800 --> 04:29:07,840
» Oh,

6385
04:29:05,600 --> 04:29:08,960
» Theund emotion after all of it. I mean,

6386
04:29:07,840 --> 04:29:10,319
there was no actual motion.

6387
04:29:08,960 --> 04:29:10,960
» There's actually a point. We need to

6388
04:29:10,319 --> 04:29:11,920
make it.

6389
04:29:10,960 --> 04:29:13,199
» What was the motion?

6390
04:29:11,920 --> 04:29:15,120
» The one we just went through all the

6391
04:29:13,199 --> 04:29:15,920
different changes with the the

6392
04:29:15,120 --> 04:29:18,000
» Half of the

6393
04:29:15,920 --> 04:29:22,960
» The quarter quarter half all of that. We

6394
04:29:18,000 --> 04:29:25,520
need to roll it up into a motion.

6395
04:29:22,960 --> 04:29:26,640
» I have to finance.

6396
04:29:25,520 --> 04:29:27,520
» All right. Well, somebody didn't need to

6397
04:29:26,640 --> 04:29:28,159
say it.

6398
04:29:27,520 --> 04:29:30,080
» I I think

6399
04:29:28,159 --> 04:29:32,000
» I was gonna ask you.

6400
04:29:30,080 --> 04:29:34,080
» Well, I I I got to I've been thinking

6401
04:29:32,000 --> 04:29:38,000
about it in a different way.

6402
04:29:34,080 --> 04:29:40,960
Um you did motions for all of

6403
04:29:38,000 --> 04:29:41,920
» Th those prior what we haven't done the

6404
04:29:40,960 --> 04:29:43,199
um

6405
04:29:41,920 --> 04:29:47,040
» Motion for the

6406
04:29:43,199 --> 04:29:48,720
» Redirecting the half of the 170k. We

6407
04:29:47,040 --> 04:29:51,720
certainly did not motion on that.

6408
04:29:48,720 --> 04:29:51,720
» Okay.

6409
04:29:52,239 --> 04:29:55,040
» We talked about funding these positions

6410
04:29:53,840 --> 04:29:57,359
but I'm not sure we actually had a

6411
04:29:55,040 --> 04:30:01,840
motion on it.

6412
04:29:57,359 --> 04:30:05,600
» So we we we got to 675 cut. We're at

6413
04:30:01,840 --> 04:30:09,279
transient lodging, taking half of that,

6414
04:30:05,600 --> 04:30:11,520
a total of 1525, putting it somewhere.

6415
04:30:09,279 --> 04:30:13,600
That's where we are right now. So I I

6416
04:30:11,520 --> 04:30:19,120
think what what we're intending here

6417
04:30:13,600 --> 04:30:22,399
then is to have a motion to increase the

6418
04:30:19,120 --> 04:30:24,479
well first to fund the two positions

6419
04:30:22,399 --> 04:30:27,359
utility billing and admin assistant

6420
04:30:24,479 --> 04:30:30,080
which is done by

6421
04:30:27,359 --> 04:30:33,760
increasing

6422
04:30:30,080 --> 04:30:36,479
the finance budget by 85,000 on the

6423
04:30:33,760 --> 04:30:39,279
personnel side, the building budget by

6424
04:30:36,479 --> 04:30:42,159
42 and a half thousand

6425
04:30:39,279 --> 04:30:45,120
on the building side and we'll do two

6426
04:30:42,159 --> 04:30:47,279
and a half on the planning.

6427
04:30:45,120 --> 04:30:49,840
» Um

6428
04:30:47,279 --> 04:30:52,080
» If it's a quarter or a half I'm just

6429
04:30:49,840 --> 04:30:54,399
» Right. So yeah, it's about that.

6430
04:30:52,080 --> 04:30:56,640
» I don't think we have enough money. We

6431
04:30:54,399 --> 04:30:58,960
have 67585.

6432
04:30:56,640 --> 04:30:59,600
That's 152, right?

6433
04:30:58,960 --> 04:31:01,199
» 152.

6434
04:30:59,600 --> 04:31:02,560
» Wait, hold on.

6435
04:31:01,199 --> 04:31:05,760
» Yeah, you're you're right. We haven't

6436
04:31:02,560 --> 04:31:07,680
found enough money to fully fund those.

6437
04:31:05,760 --> 04:31:10,800
So

6438
04:31:07,680 --> 04:31:16,640
what we're doing is adding an expense at

6439
04:31:10,800 --> 04:31:21,960
170,000 and then we are saying we have

6440
04:31:16,640 --> 04:31:21,960
67 12,000 plus

6441
04:31:22,319 --> 04:31:25,920
85,000.

6442
04:31:23,439 --> 04:31:30,840
» Yeah.

6443
04:31:25,920 --> 04:31:30,840
» Which leaves what is that? 77,000.

6444
04:31:31,520 --> 04:31:37,159
» Double check the math of it. 17,500

6445
04:31:34,159 --> 04:31:37,159
remain

6446
04:31:37,840 --> 04:31:41,760
» Or maybe I should say it this way the

6447
04:31:39,279 --> 04:31:44,080
net effect on on the general fund would

6448
04:31:41,760 --> 04:31:47,680
be

6449
04:31:44,080 --> 04:31:51,880
to reduce the contingency

6450
04:31:47,680 --> 04:31:51,880
I think 17.5 thousand

6451
04:31:52,239 --> 04:31:57,680
» We pull that from the police

6452
04:31:55,279 --> 04:32:00,159
» Right now we talking rounding error on

6453
04:31:57,680 --> 04:32:02,080
percentage of of reserves so maybe we

6454
04:32:00,159 --> 04:32:03,199
just let that be for now

6455
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:05,120
» I'm just trying to get the dollars,

6456
04:32:03,199 --> 04:32:06,640
right? Oh, yeah. So, you want to reduce

6457
04:32:05,120 --> 04:32:08,640
reserves. That's fine with me.

6458
04:32:06,640 --> 04:32:10,239
» It's a It's a

6459
04:32:08,640 --> 04:32:11,520
» Not going to change the reserves.

6460
04:32:10,239 --> 04:32:13,840
» It's not going to change the whole

6461
04:32:11,520 --> 04:32:18,479
» Let's um I I can give you the number

6462
04:32:13,840 --> 04:32:22,399
that is um finance,

6463
04:32:18,479 --> 04:32:22,800
planning, and

6464
04:32:22,399 --> 04:32:24,159
» Okay,

6465
04:32:22,800 --> 04:32:26,640
» Building would that help?

6466
04:32:24,159 --> 04:32:27,760
» And then we'll make the motion number.

6467
04:32:26,640 --> 04:32:28,720
Okay. Yeah.

6468
04:32:27,760 --> 04:32:30,399
» So,

6469
04:32:28,720 --> 04:32:32,800
» Do we need to put a pin back in this?

6470
04:32:30,399 --> 04:32:37,920
» So, we add back

6471
04:32:32,800 --> 04:32:40,920
In finance, we add back 83,400.

6472
04:32:37,920 --> 04:32:40,920
» Okay.

6473
04:32:44,720 --> 04:32:52,520
» In planning,

6474
04:32:48,000 --> 04:32:52,520
we add back 33,700.

6475
04:32:53,279 --> 04:32:57,120
It's

6476
04:32:53,439 --> 04:32:59,920
» Coming in light so far.

6477
04:32:57,120 --> 04:33:02,920
and in

6478
04:32:59,920 --> 04:33:02,920
building

6479
04:33:03,600 --> 04:33:07,639
add back 32,000.

6480
04:33:08,879 --> 04:33:14,240
» So

6481
04:33:10,799 --> 04:33:16,719
we're missing here is there's 17,000

6482
04:33:14,240 --> 04:33:18,080
that will have to be added to

6483
04:33:16,719 --> 04:33:19,600
engineering.

6484
04:33:18,080 --> 04:33:20,959
» Oh, there's an engineering piece too.

6485
04:33:19,600 --> 04:33:24,160
» Yeah, but that's a whole different fund.

6486
04:33:20,959 --> 04:33:25,439
It's not the general fund.

6487
04:33:24,160 --> 04:33:27,600
» Oh, that Okay.

6488
04:33:25,439 --> 04:33:28,080
» Right. Because the salary is partially

6489
04:33:27,600 --> 04:33:30,561
funded.

6490
04:33:28,080 --> 04:33:32,561
» Yes. Yes.

6491
04:33:30,561 --> 04:33:33,760
» Which sorry?

6492
04:33:32,561 --> 04:33:35,199
» Tell me again which fund that one

6493
04:33:33,760 --> 04:33:38,561
impacts the pardon me.

6494
04:33:35,199 --> 04:33:39,520
» Which fund um does the 17,000 end up

6495
04:33:38,561 --> 04:33:42,080
coming out of?

6496
04:33:39,520 --> 04:33:45,799
» It's the public works fund.

6497
04:33:42,080 --> 04:33:45,799
» The public works fund.

6498
04:33:46,879 --> 04:33:54,119
» And that's page 111.

6499
04:33:48,639 --> 04:33:54,119
» I'm just checking what's the balance

6500
04:33:54,320 --> 04:33:58,799
» And What was she?

6501
04:33:57,520 --> 04:34:01,840
» 111

6502
04:33:58,799 --> 04:34:04,840
» And it will be actually it'll be page

6503
04:34:01,840 --> 04:34:04,840
112.

6504
04:34:06,320 --> 04:34:14,520
» So we would add

6505
04:34:08,400 --> 04:34:14,520
to the public works operations fund.

6506
04:34:20,080 --> 04:34:24,439
» Engineering. Correct.

6507
04:34:21,439 --> 04:34:24,439
» Engineering.

6508
04:34:24,480 --> 04:34:26,480
Yeah.

6509
04:34:24,799 --> 04:34:30,600
» And then what's the mechanism to add

6510
04:34:26,480 --> 04:34:30,600
that? It's got to come out of

6511
04:34:30,719 --> 04:34:35,279
» Is it transfer from the from the general

6512
04:34:32,879 --> 04:34:36,799
fund then cover that?

6513
04:34:35,279 --> 04:34:40,000
» Um

6514
04:34:36,799 --> 04:34:42,080
no they have enough um contingency that

6515
04:34:40,000 --> 04:34:43,520
that would be adjusted in that

6516
04:34:42,080 --> 04:34:45,119
» I'm looking that's the problem. It

6517
04:34:43,520 --> 04:34:48,000
doesn't show the contingency. Thank you.

6518
04:34:45,119 --> 04:34:48,799
» So we would we would reduce the by the

6519
04:34:48,000 --> 04:34:51,279
same amount.

6520
04:34:48,799 --> 04:34:53,520
» Got it. Okay. Okay. So there's 983 485

6521
04:34:51,279 --> 04:34:55,199
in contingency and that will be reduced

6522
04:34:53,520 --> 04:34:58,199
by 17,000,

6523
04:34:55,199 --> 04:34:58,199
» Right?

6524
04:35:02,000 --> 04:35:08,320
» Then you want to do the the we already

6525
04:35:05,520 --> 04:35:09,920
got 675 we've already agreed upon and I

6526
04:35:08,320 --> 04:35:14,480
don't think why don't we do this? Why

6527
04:35:09,920 --> 04:35:19,760
don't we say I make a motion that we

6528
04:35:14,480 --> 04:35:23,119
half of the St. Lodging taxes of 85,000

6529
04:35:19,760 --> 04:35:26,439
and add to the general fund.

6530
04:35:23,119 --> 04:35:26,439
» Second that.

6531
04:35:26,799 --> 04:35:30,160
» All right. All in favor say I.

6532
04:35:29,199 --> 04:35:31,680
» I.

6533
04:35:30,160 --> 04:35:32,719
» I. That's unanimous.

6534
04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:35,119
» Let me just make sure I get that really

6535
04:35:32,719 --> 04:35:38,080
quick. So motion made byki to reallocate

6536
04:35:35,119 --> 04:35:40,561
85,000 from the transit tax and the

6537
04:35:38,080 --> 04:35:42,719
tourism fund to the general fund and

6538
04:35:40,561 --> 04:35:45,359
that was seconded by Evans and I on

6539
04:35:42,719 --> 04:35:45,840
everybody.

6540
04:35:45,359 --> 04:35:48,240
» Nice work.

6541
04:35:45,840 --> 04:35:53,439
» Let's do the money part now.

6542
04:35:48,240 --> 04:35:55,920
» Okay. So now now uh the next motion then

6543
04:35:53,439 --> 04:35:59,520
would be to fund these two positions

6544
04:35:55,920 --> 04:36:02,719
which means increase changing four

6545
04:35:59,520 --> 04:36:03,600
different items budget items.

6546
04:36:02,719 --> 04:36:05,119
» Thank motion.

6547
04:36:03,600 --> 04:36:08,320
» Okay.

6548
04:36:05,119 --> 04:36:11,520
The motion is to uh fund the position of

6549
04:36:08,320 --> 04:36:15,039
utility billing and admin assistant. Uh

6550
04:36:11,520 --> 04:36:17,039
this will be done in four pieces. First,

6551
04:36:15,039 --> 04:36:21,039
the finance budget will have an increase

6552
04:36:17,039 --> 04:36:22,719
to personnel of 83.4,000.

6553
04:36:21,039 --> 04:36:25,760
The building budget will have an

6554
04:36:22,719 --> 04:36:27,199
increase to personnel of 33.7,000.

6555
04:36:25,760 --> 04:36:29,760
The planning budget will have an

6556
04:36:27,199 --> 04:36:32,719
increase to personnel of 32,000.

6557
04:36:29,760 --> 04:36:35,439
And the engineering budget will have an

6558
04:36:32,719 --> 04:36:38,639
increase to personnel of 17,000.

6559
04:36:35,439 --> 04:36:40,160
» I had that backwards. I had planning 337

6560
04:36:38,639 --> 04:36:43,119
and building 32.

6561
04:36:40,160 --> 04:36:46,879
» Yes, I had three. I had 33 for planning.

6562
04:36:43,119 --> 04:36:47,439
Is that right? 33 planning 337 building

6563
04:36:46,879 --> 04:36:48,240
32. Let me

6564
04:36:47,439 --> 04:36:48,959
» Make sure. Is that right?

6565
04:36:48,240 --> 04:36:49,199
» That's what I have.

6566
04:36:48,959 --> 04:36:51,039
» Yes,

6567
04:36:49,199 --> 04:36:51,279
» That's what I have when she was speaking

6568
04:36:51,039 --> 04:36:52,879
it.

6569
04:36:51,279 --> 04:36:55,879
» That's what I have too. So, planning

6570
04:36:52,879 --> 04:36:55,879
337.

6571
04:36:55,920 --> 04:36:59,199
» Yep.

6572
04:36:56,799 --> 04:37:00,639
» Okay. Planning 337

6573
04:36:59,199 --> 04:37:02,160
building

6574
04:37:00,639 --> 04:37:04,160
» And then what was the fourth one?

6575
04:37:02,160 --> 04:37:06,639
» The fourth one was 17,000 for

6576
04:37:04,160 --> 04:37:08,879
engineering.

6577
04:37:06,639 --> 04:37:10,480
coming from the contingency out of the

6578
04:37:08,879 --> 04:37:12,959
» That will be funded by the contingency

6579
04:37:10,480 --> 04:37:17,039
from the public works fund

6580
04:37:12,959 --> 04:37:19,279
» To so the 17,000 will be added to

6581
04:37:17,039 --> 04:37:22,719
personnel services and engineering which

6582
04:37:19,279 --> 04:37:26,160
is in the public works fund on page 112

6583
04:37:22,719 --> 04:37:26,639
and that will reduce contingency by the

6584
04:37:26,160 --> 04:37:27,600
same set.

6585
04:37:26,639 --> 04:37:32,600
» All right. So, I'm going to make a

6586
04:37:27,600 --> 04:37:32,600
motion that we add $17,000

6587
04:37:33,119 --> 04:37:38,439
public works fund from the contingency

6588
04:37:35,439 --> 04:37:38,439
fund.

6589
04:37:39,039 --> 04:37:41,760
» No, no. Well,

6590
04:37:40,320 --> 04:37:44,480
» I don't think you have to motion because

6591
04:37:41,760 --> 04:37:46,320
it it balances out. It just reduces it.

6592
04:37:44,480 --> 04:37:46,959
We're still in balance. We just have

6593
04:37:46,320 --> 04:37:48,639
less.

6594
04:37:46,959 --> 04:37:51,680
» Right. So, I'm making Okay, I'll make

6595
04:37:48,639 --> 04:37:54,400
another one. I'm making a motion that we

6596
04:37:51,680 --> 04:37:57,680
add se What are we adding it to?

6597
04:37:54,400 --> 04:37:58,959
» Personnel. public works personaliz so I

6598
04:37:57,680 --> 04:38:01,680
I I made a motion

6599
04:37:58,959 --> 04:38:03,279
» Right now that covers that

6600
04:38:01,680 --> 04:38:07,879
» Make the motion again you didn't state

6601
04:38:03,279 --> 04:38:07,879
the numbers but go ahead try again

6602
04:38:09,359 --> 04:38:12,959
» All right the motion is to fully fund

6603
04:38:11,119 --> 04:38:17,359
the utility billing and admin assistant

6604
04:38:12,959 --> 04:38:20,879
positions this amounts to $170,000

6605
04:38:17,359 --> 04:38:25,279
will be reflected in an adjustment to

6606
04:38:20,879 --> 04:38:27,520
the finance budget of 83.400 4,000

6607
04:38:25,279 --> 04:38:29,520
increased to personnel.

6608
04:38:27,520 --> 04:38:32,240
The planning budget increased to

6609
04:38:29,520 --> 04:38:36,480
personnel of 33.7,000.

6610
04:38:32,240 --> 04:38:40,320
The building budget personnel by 32,000

6611
04:38:36,480 --> 04:38:43,119
and then the engineering by personnel by

6612
04:38:40,320 --> 04:38:44,561
17,000.

6613
04:38:43,119 --> 04:38:47,439
» Second.

6614
04:38:44,561 --> 04:38:49,760
» Okay. Any further discussion before

6615
04:38:47,439 --> 04:38:51,439
» Just a point that you said fully fund

6616
04:38:49,760 --> 04:38:52,639
and so that would create a situation

6617
04:38:51,439 --> 04:38:54,320
where you have some people being

6618
04:38:52,639 --> 04:38:55,680
furoughed and some people not in the

6619
04:38:54,320 --> 04:38:58,959
same

6620
04:38:55,680 --> 04:38:59,920
» So we're just we're just adding yeah

6621
04:38:58,959 --> 04:39:01,840
right

6622
04:38:59,920 --> 04:39:04,639
» That's an interesting point

6623
04:39:01,840 --> 04:39:07,359
» Is there more more to elaborate on

6624
04:39:04,639 --> 04:39:07,760
» Draw my second then

6625
04:39:07,359 --> 04:39:09,600
» Is

6626
04:39:07,760 --> 04:39:11,760
» I don't you I don't believe you can do

6627
04:39:09,600 --> 04:39:14,561
that we'll vote on it

6628
04:39:11,760 --> 04:39:17,840
» Finish the discussion we'll vote um is

6629
04:39:14,561 --> 04:39:20,561
that being raised as a an optics issue

6630
04:39:17,840 --> 04:39:23,600
or is there some other ramification we

6631
04:39:20,561 --> 04:39:27,359
should be aware of?

6632
04:39:23,600 --> 04:39:29,039
» One, yeah, with everybody else

6633
04:39:27,359 --> 04:39:32,799
furoughed

6634
04:39:29,039 --> 04:39:34,639
in city hall, that would leave two

6635
04:39:32,799 --> 04:39:37,280
people that aren't furoughed and there

6636
04:39:34,639 --> 04:39:38,798
would be no management, no um

6637
04:39:37,280 --> 04:39:40,878
» That occurred to me as you started to

6638
04:39:38,798 --> 04:39:43,120
say it. Yeah, they're sort of these four

6639
04:39:40,878 --> 04:39:46,320
two people on four wild hours with no

6640
04:39:43,120 --> 04:39:48,638
» Right. Right. Okay. So, it's the

6641
04:39:46,320 --> 04:39:49,360
implication to fund them at

6642
04:39:48,638 --> 04:39:52,000
» Fur

6643
04:39:49,360 --> 04:39:55,520
» At the furled level. So, at 90% instead

6644
04:39:52,000 --> 04:39:57,760
of fully funded. Okay. Well, then let's

6645
04:39:55,520 --> 04:39:59,440
move this to a vote and knock it down

6646
04:39:57,760 --> 04:39:59,760
and we'll make the next motion to get it

6647
04:39:59,440 --> 04:40:00,320
right.

6648
04:39:59,760 --> 04:40:02,638
» Yeah.

6649
04:40:00,320 --> 04:40:07,878
» We're doing a great job with this today.

6650
04:40:02,638 --> 04:40:07,878
» All right. All in favor, please say I.

6651
04:40:08,798 --> 04:40:13,160
» All oppose, please say nay.

6652
04:40:13,360 --> 04:40:20,320
We're gonna redo it. Hey, the motion

6653
04:40:16,160 --> 04:40:21,760
fails. Do we have a new motion?

6654
04:40:20,320 --> 04:40:22,878
» I was thinking maybe this time I'd give

6655
04:40:21,760 --> 04:40:24,798
you a chance to

6656
04:40:22,878 --> 04:40:28,320
» I

6657
04:40:24,798 --> 04:40:30,638
The motion is I I make the motion to

6658
04:40:28,320 --> 04:40:33,760
fund the utility billing admin assistant

6659
04:40:30,638 --> 04:40:36,958
positions at 90%

6660
04:40:33,760 --> 04:40:42,240
which is equivalent to the furled level

6661
04:40:36,958 --> 04:40:44,400
of uh 36 hours a week. Right.

6662
04:40:42,240 --> 04:40:45,920
in order to do this.

6663
04:40:44,400 --> 04:40:47,600
» Let's just go and add

6664
04:40:45,920 --> 04:40:49,120
» Why do we need to say what percentage?

6665
04:40:47,600 --> 04:40:51,040
Let's just put money in. And

6666
04:40:49,120 --> 04:40:51,280
» Yeah, let's just put the money in. And

6667
04:40:51,040 --> 04:40:53,760
then

6668
04:40:51,280 --> 04:40:57,360
» Well, now now each of these is reduced

6669
04:40:53,760 --> 04:40:58,878
by 10%. So So now instead of 170, we're

6670
04:40:57,360 --> 04:41:01,878
talking actually we just found the

6671
04:40:58,878 --> 04:41:01,878
17,000

6672
04:41:02,560 --> 04:41:11,520
» By 10%. It's 17,000. Right.

6673
04:41:05,840 --> 04:41:14,560
» So the 170 would go down to 160 or 153

6674
04:41:11,520 --> 04:41:16,160
» Because we're only funding them to 90%.

6675
04:41:14,560 --> 04:41:19,360
» Already discounted.

6676
04:41:16,160 --> 04:41:20,240
» Um, no, they're not discounted.

6677
04:41:19,360 --> 04:41:22,080
» That's a good question.

6678
04:41:20,240 --> 04:41:23,200
» I could find those discounted numbers

6679
04:41:22,080 --> 04:41:24,718
though.

6680
04:41:23,200 --> 04:41:26,000
» I think that's what we're going to need

6681
04:41:24,718 --> 04:41:27,520
unless we can

6682
04:41:26,000 --> 04:41:30,480
» Make the motion that what we want to do

6683
04:41:27,520 --> 04:41:32,000
is fund them at 90%.

6684
04:41:30,480 --> 04:41:33,360
» Without the specific, I don't care.

6685
04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:33,920
» So we don't have a finished motion,

6686
04:41:33,360 --> 04:41:36,718
right?

6687
04:41:33,920 --> 04:41:38,320
» No. like we just we had a discussion.

6688
04:41:36,718 --> 04:41:42,000
» I don't want to I don't want to tie the

6689
04:41:38,320 --> 04:41:44,798
budget to a a percentage. I just want to

6690
04:41:42,000 --> 04:41:46,958
tie the budget to numbers.

6691
04:41:44,798 --> 04:41:49,360
» Uh should we set this aside for a minute

6692
04:41:46,958 --> 04:41:51,520
and we'll wait for some

6693
04:41:49,360 --> 04:41:52,638
» 90% numbers?

6694
04:41:51,520 --> 04:41:54,878
» Okay. Sure.

6695
04:41:52,638 --> 04:41:57,120
» Steve, your uh wife gave public

6696
04:41:54,878 --> 04:41:59,280
statement today about code enforcement

6697
04:41:57,120 --> 04:42:01,360
and the name in in itself is indicative

6698
04:41:59,280 --> 04:42:04,080
to municipal code, right? Code

6699
04:42:01,360 --> 04:42:06,000
enforcement. So, I'm wondering um we

6700
04:42:04,080 --> 04:42:08,160
should maybe have a conversation about

6701
04:42:06,000 --> 04:42:10,400
that. She has an idea of where that

6702
04:42:08,160 --> 04:42:11,920
could be funded. But we if anybody would

6703
04:42:10,400 --> 04:42:13,680
like to pull public records, they should

6704
04:42:11,920 --> 04:42:16,878
see how many citizens are complaining

6705
04:42:13,680 --> 04:42:19,120
about vermin and rats and issues that we

6706
04:42:16,878 --> 04:42:20,958
have for code enforcement in this city

6707
04:42:19,120 --> 04:42:21,680
and probably a conversation we should

6708
04:42:20,958 --> 04:42:23,200
have.

6709
04:42:21,680 --> 04:42:24,798
» It was actually a good idea she had.

6710
04:42:23,200 --> 04:42:26,798
» I was just on the phone with somebody

6711
04:42:24,798 --> 04:42:27,360
today about that.

6712
04:42:26,798 --> 04:42:30,638
» Yeah.

6713
04:42:27,360 --> 04:42:34,320
» Code enforcement goes just so far on the

6714
04:42:30,638 --> 04:42:38,160
side. Unless the city is going to take

6715
04:42:34,320 --> 04:42:40,240
the next step in saying you've got three

6716
04:42:38,160 --> 04:42:41,600
RA code enforcement, you have not

6717
04:42:40,240 --> 04:42:42,560
abaded. We're going to declare your

6718
04:42:41,600 --> 04:42:44,160
property a nuisance.

6719
04:42:42,560 --> 04:42:44,560
» Yeah, we have. The council has done

6720
04:42:44,160 --> 04:42:47,520
that.

6721
04:42:44,560 --> 04:42:49,760
» Well, maybe because she's calling saying

6722
04:42:47,520 --> 04:42:52,560
she's gotten to the end of her rope

6723
04:42:49,760 --> 04:42:53,440
» With code enforcement and the guy is not

6724
04:42:52,560 --> 04:42:54,718
doing anything.

6725
04:42:53,440 --> 04:42:56,560
» Yeah, I don't know about that.

6726
04:42:54,718 --> 04:42:58,000
» And so now she's calling me saying,

6727
04:42:56,560 --> 04:43:00,000
"Hey,

6728
04:42:58,000 --> 04:43:01,360
» You do something for me." And so it's

6729
04:43:00,000 --> 04:43:02,160
going to the next point where people are

6730
04:43:01,360 --> 04:43:03,920
then moving.

6731
04:43:02,160 --> 04:43:06,400
» You're having one conversation. There

6732
04:43:03,920 --> 04:43:09,920
are multiple and many conversations that

6733
04:43:06,400 --> 04:43:12,240
occur in this city from bunny issues to

6734
04:43:09,920 --> 04:43:14,798
the homeless issues to people crapping

6735
04:43:12,240 --> 04:43:17,440
in the flower beds to like it. It's

6736
04:43:14,798 --> 04:43:19,840
honestly I did not

6737
04:43:17,440 --> 04:43:22,080
» Trying to get people to do a better job.

6738
04:43:19,840 --> 04:43:23,440
» But she did have a good idea and so I

6739
04:43:22,080 --> 04:43:25,280
think that that should be something that

6740
04:43:23,440 --> 04:43:27,440
we discuss as well.

6741
04:43:25,280 --> 04:43:28,638
» We knocked out this

6742
04:43:27,440 --> 04:43:29,120
she's working. So I brought this

6743
04:43:28,638 --> 04:43:31,280
conversation.

6744
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:32,320
» Jen, are you referring to

6745
04:43:31,280 --> 04:43:34,160
» Tell me where the money

6746
04:43:32,320 --> 04:43:36,240
» Funds from tourism to public works

6747
04:43:34,160 --> 04:43:38,878
» Talking about looking in public works or

6748
04:43:36,240 --> 04:43:39,200
code enforcement money is very much in

6749
04:43:38,878 --> 04:43:40,638
that.

6750
04:43:39,200 --> 04:43:42,000
» Well, I I was just looking at my notes

6751
04:43:40,638 --> 04:43:45,520
from the public comment and I thought I

6752
04:43:42,000 --> 04:43:47,600
had heard the suggestion was to put the

6753
04:43:45,520 --> 04:43:48,718
transient tax money effectively.

6754
04:43:47,600 --> 04:43:50,480
» I think there was a lot of things that

6755
04:43:48,718 --> 04:43:51,440
were talked about but I think that was

6756
04:43:50,480 --> 04:43:54,560
» So mentioned.

6757
04:43:51,440 --> 04:43:57,200
» Let's get some public works. I just saw

6758
04:43:54,560 --> 04:44:00,480
posting for ad for our public works uh

6759
04:43:57,200 --> 04:44:03,798
engineer number one and they go out for

6760
04:44:00,480 --> 04:44:03,798
over $6,000.

6761
04:44:05,440 --> 04:44:08,798
» That's a budgeted position that

6762
04:44:07,040 --> 04:44:10,240
» The budget delicious

6763
04:44:08,798 --> 04:44:11,760
» It's much needed with all the capital

6764
04:44:10,240 --> 04:44:16,320
improvement projects we have going on

6765
04:44:11,760 --> 04:44:17,920
right now after Bashar left us.

6766
04:44:16,320 --> 04:44:20,080
» So

6767
04:44:17,920 --> 04:44:21,760
Gloria for that too find out how much

6768
04:44:20,080 --> 04:44:23,520
the code in partial. Yes. So, I think we

6769
04:44:21,760 --> 04:44:25,040
should have that conversation because

6770
04:44:23,520 --> 04:44:28,638
there is a lot. We've had people come

6771
04:44:25,040 --> 04:44:31,680
and do testimony and there are a lot of

6772
04:44:28,638 --> 04:44:34,080
individuals that do email us.

6773
04:44:31,680 --> 04:44:35,920
Surprisingly, some of the issues.

6774
04:44:34,080 --> 04:44:37,440
» I got problems in my neighborhood. I f I

6775
04:44:35,920 --> 04:44:39,840
fought with rats, but that's because of

6776
04:44:37,440 --> 04:44:41,760
the chicken ep epidemic and and people

6777
04:44:39,840 --> 04:44:43,440
with roosters. It's it's a

6778
04:44:41,760 --> 04:44:44,878
» I think council heard roosters a couple

6779
04:44:43,440 --> 04:44:47,280
years ago with geese.

6780
04:44:44,878 --> 04:44:49,280
» I personally think the rise of of people

6781
04:44:47,280 --> 04:44:50,240
having chickens has has increased the

6782
04:44:49,280 --> 04:44:50,878
rat problem.

6783
04:44:50,240 --> 04:44:52,878
» Yeah. Really?

6784
04:44:50,878 --> 04:44:53,920
» I I like the idea of

6785
04:44:52,878 --> 04:44:55,040
» You're not talking about this as

6786
04:44:53,920 --> 04:44:56,400
council.

6787
04:44:55,040 --> 04:44:57,760
» I dealt with the problem myself. I

6788
04:44:56,400 --> 04:44:58,560
didn't call the city.

6789
04:44:57,760 --> 04:45:00,718
» Oh,

6790
04:44:58,560 --> 04:45:03,360
» That's probably what Let me ask you this

6791
04:45:00,718 --> 04:45:05,280
question. What do you do,

6792
04:45:03,360 --> 04:45:08,080
This is just a This isn't a budget

6793
04:45:05,280 --> 04:45:11,680
question, but what do you do when

6794
04:45:08,080 --> 04:45:15,200
the person has this complete wreck of a

6795
04:45:11,680 --> 04:45:16,638
house and doesn't do anything?

6796
04:45:15,200 --> 04:45:17,920
Then it needs to come, I believe it

6797
04:45:16,638 --> 04:45:19,760
needs to come in front of council and we

6798
04:45:17,920 --> 04:45:20,798
need to deem it nuisance just like we

6799
04:45:19,760 --> 04:45:22,240
have in the past.

6800
04:45:20,798 --> 04:45:23,680
» We need to tighten that up and make sure

6801
04:45:22,240 --> 04:45:25,840
that happens much faster.

6802
04:45:23,680 --> 04:45:27,920
» There has been like where walls are

6803
04:45:25,840 --> 04:45:30,400
moving that rats are like

6804
04:45:27,920 --> 04:45:32,400
» Oh I'm I don't think it has to get

6805
04:45:30,400 --> 04:45:34,160
» People you know at their wit.

6806
04:45:32,400 --> 04:45:35,600
» I think if you trashed your property and

6807
04:45:34,160 --> 04:45:36,080
it's causing problem to your neighbors.

6808
04:45:35,600 --> 04:45:37,680
I think that

6809
04:45:36,080 --> 04:45:40,480
» That's exactly how the problem arises.

6810
04:45:37,680 --> 04:45:40,958
» Yes. You know get on it and tell people

6811
04:45:40,480 --> 04:45:42,798
that

6812
04:45:40,958 --> 04:45:44,480
» But that's to the extreme side. So on

6813
04:45:42,798 --> 04:45:46,240
the code enforcement side, he's actually

6814
04:45:44,480 --> 04:45:47,760
out there, you know, trying to get these

6815
04:45:46,240 --> 04:45:49,280
things. We're talking about the screen

6816
04:45:47,760 --> 04:45:50,878
piece and then they need the Y

6817
04:45:49,280 --> 04:45:51,520
» And the guy and the guy says, "Forget

6818
04:45:50,878 --> 04:45:53,040
it."

6819
04:45:51,520 --> 04:45:54,638
» Yeah. And then and then it has to be

6820
04:45:53,040 --> 04:45:56,160
elevated. But in a lot of cases that

6821
04:45:54,638 --> 04:45:57,840
corrective behavior, people don't like

6822
04:45:56,160 --> 04:45:59,520
the tickets and it's more of a

6823
04:45:57,840 --> 04:46:02,160
behavioral change and they do rectify

6824
04:45:59,520 --> 04:46:03,600
the situation. So

6825
04:46:02,160 --> 04:46:05,120
» Yeah, I'm with you.

6826
04:46:03,600 --> 04:46:06,878
» I don't think there's any debate that we

6827
04:46:05,120 --> 04:46:09,360
need code enforcement. We're probably

6828
04:46:06,878 --> 04:46:11,360
all in agreement. You need some

6829
04:46:09,360 --> 04:46:12,638
» But I other municipalities actually have

6830
04:46:11,360 --> 04:46:13,520
it out of like 27.

6831
04:46:12,638 --> 04:46:15,120
» I think that's interesting.

6832
04:46:13,520 --> 04:46:17,200
» They did they do they have it in

6833
04:46:15,120 --> 04:46:17,840
» What we decide we're doing on the myri

6834
04:46:17,200 --> 04:46:20,560
we can

6835
04:46:17,840 --> 04:46:22,958
» We talk about to that yet we want to

6836
04:46:20,560 --> 04:46:23,920
finalize the

6837
04:46:22,958 --> 04:46:25,120
» Numbers for this.

6838
04:46:23,920 --> 04:46:27,040
» Yes. So,

6839
04:46:25,120 --> 04:46:28,958
» So the revised numbers for the two

6840
04:46:27,040 --> 04:46:30,480
positions,

6841
04:46:28,958 --> 04:46:34,520
finance

6842
04:46:30,480 --> 04:46:34,520
um is 67,200,

6843
04:46:34,718 --> 04:46:39,400
planning is 27,300,

6844
04:46:40,080 --> 04:46:44,440
building is 26,200,

6845
04:46:44,560 --> 04:46:49,480
and engineering would be 13,700.

6846
04:46:50,400 --> 04:46:54,680
Okay? And I've put those into

6847
04:46:55,840 --> 04:47:00,240
sheet

6848
04:46:57,360 --> 04:47:03,120
and

6849
04:47:00,240 --> 04:47:08,000
like we're still at 9%.

6850
04:47:03,120 --> 04:47:08,878
» So the total will come to 134400

6851
04:47:08,000 --> 04:47:10,718
four pieces.

6852
04:47:08,878 --> 04:47:12,560
» Yeah.

6853
04:47:10,718 --> 04:47:14,400
» All right. Think we're ready for a

6854
04:47:12,560 --> 04:47:16,718
motion.

6855
04:47:14,400 --> 04:47:19,840
Third time's a charm.

6856
04:47:16,718 --> 04:47:22,400
» All right. I motion to fund the utility

6857
04:47:19,840 --> 04:47:26,480
billing and admin assistant positions at

6858
04:47:22,400 --> 04:47:31,520
90% consistent with the current furlows

6859
04:47:26,480 --> 04:47:35,600
of 36 to 36 hours a week and the total

6860
04:47:31,520 --> 04:47:39,120
funding will be 134,400

6861
04:47:35,600 --> 04:47:41,360
which is realized through four budgets.

6862
04:47:39,120 --> 04:47:43,600
The finance budget

6863
04:47:41,360 --> 04:47:46,480
and the amount to personnel added will

6864
04:47:43,600 --> 04:47:50,160
be $67,200.

6865
04:47:46,480 --> 04:47:53,120
The planning budget will have 27,300

6866
04:47:50,160 --> 04:47:55,440
added to personnel. The building budget

6867
04:47:53,120 --> 04:47:57,520
will have 26,200

6868
04:47:55,440 --> 04:48:00,958
added to personnel. And the engineering

6869
04:47:57,520 --> 04:48:02,240
budget will have 13,700

6870
04:48:00,958 --> 04:48:03,600
added to personnel.

6871
04:48:02,240 --> 04:48:06,400
» I say

6872
04:48:03,600 --> 04:48:08,240
» All right, we have a second.

6873
04:48:06,400 --> 04:48:10,080
All in favor? Hi.

6874
04:48:08,240 --> 04:48:12,400
» Hi.

6875
04:48:10,080 --> 04:48:16,718
» Any voting?

6876
04:48:12,400 --> 04:48:18,400
» Do we have uh president on vacation?

6877
04:48:16,718 --> 04:48:18,878
» So, she's having technical difficulties

6878
04:48:18,400 --> 04:48:21,120
and

6879
04:48:18,878 --> 04:48:22,160
» I'm just just checking it to make sure.

6880
04:48:21,120 --> 04:48:24,560
Thank you.

6881
04:48:22,160 --> 04:48:26,958
» Okay. So, the motion passes.

6882
04:48:24,560 --> 04:48:29,520
» How much is

6883
04:48:26,958 --> 04:48:31,840
» Okay. How much is

6884
04:48:29,520 --> 04:48:33,600
we going to find that money?

6885
04:48:31,840 --> 04:48:35,040
» Well, I we need to find out first how

6886
04:48:33,600 --> 04:48:36,798
much it is.

6887
04:48:35,040 --> 04:48:39,120
» Okay. While we're looking for code

6888
04:48:36,798 --> 04:48:41,840
enforcement, maybe we could go to this.

6889
04:48:39,120 --> 04:48:43,840
» I wanted to talk about the $25 million

6890
04:48:41,840 --> 04:48:46,400
in debt that we're thinking about that's

6891
04:48:43,840 --> 04:48:48,000
in this fight that we're taking on.

6892
04:48:46,400 --> 04:48:50,560
» Let's uh before we open up another

6893
04:48:48,000 --> 04:48:54,520
topic, let's try to close this one out

6894
04:48:50,560 --> 04:48:54,520
here. Uh

6895
04:48:57,040 --> 04:49:00,040
» Enforcement

6896
04:49:00,160 --> 04:49:06,280
on F on the Furlow schedule

6897
04:49:03,280 --> 04:49:06,280
is

6898
04:49:06,320 --> 04:49:11,440
Round it up at 83,000.

6899
04:49:09,760 --> 04:49:12,718
» Add back to the police budget and tell

6900
04:49:11,440 --> 04:49:14,798
the chief to make it work.

6901
04:49:12,718 --> 04:49:17,440
» Can we find that? It's Can we find that

6902
04:49:14,798 --> 04:49:19,360
in uh community development or public

6903
04:49:17,440 --> 04:49:23,080
works?

6904
04:49:19,360 --> 04:49:23,080
» No. Well,

6905
04:49:24,320 --> 04:49:30,718
» There's a there is some there is some

6906
04:49:26,798 --> 04:49:34,958
theory that would support having code

6907
04:49:30,718 --> 04:49:39,120
enforcement in public works

6908
04:49:34,958 --> 04:49:44,798
or um building building would put it

6909
04:49:39,120 --> 04:49:50,718
back keep it in the general fund. Um

6910
04:49:44,798 --> 04:49:54,638
but it could be um partially funded

6911
04:49:50,718 --> 04:49:57,680
in a allocation from

6912
04:49:54,638 --> 04:49:58,958
uh the utility funds. So that's

6913
04:49:57,680 --> 04:50:00,958
basically

6914
04:49:58,958 --> 04:50:01,920
» What

6915
04:50:00,958 --> 04:50:02,638
you're asking about community

6916
04:50:01,920 --> 04:50:05,600
development

6917
04:50:02,638 --> 04:50:08,080
» That no

6918
04:50:05,600 --> 04:50:09,840
I think it was the utility funds,

6919
04:50:08,080 --> 04:50:11,680
» Right?

6920
04:50:09,840 --> 04:50:13,600
So other municipalities do not have

6921
04:50:11,680 --> 04:50:15,680
their code enforcement in because

6922
04:50:13,600 --> 04:50:16,958
they're enforcing the code.

6923
04:50:15,680 --> 04:50:21,280
» That's the

6924
04:50:16,958 --> 04:50:23,520
» We have to take supports utilities as

6925
04:50:21,280 --> 04:50:26,000
» Which utility fund are we talking about?

6926
04:50:23,520 --> 04:50:28,798
» It would be an allocation from all of

6927
04:50:26,000 --> 04:50:31,440
the utility funds and streets.

6928
04:50:28,798 --> 04:50:34,160
» I just sewer, water, storm, street.

6929
04:50:31,440 --> 04:50:36,878
» So could we pull enough from those to

6930
04:50:34,160 --> 04:50:39,360
fund this position?

6931
04:50:36,878 --> 04:50:39,840
Are we allowed to cut the pay?

6932
04:50:39,360 --> 04:50:41,200
» Pardon me.

6933
04:50:39,840 --> 04:50:43,520
» Are we allowed to cut the pay? That's a

6934
04:50:41,200 --> 04:50:45,680
lot. No, that's a crazy amount of money

6935
04:50:43,520 --> 04:50:48,480
for

6936
04:50:45,680 --> 04:50:49,440
» Well, that's fully loaded staff, right?

6937
04:50:48,480 --> 04:50:50,878
» Already we're already

6938
04:50:49,440 --> 04:50:52,000
» That's on furlow.

6939
04:50:50,878 --> 04:50:53,520
» That's fully loaded. Yeah.

6940
04:50:52,000 --> 04:50:55,440
» Fully loaded, but on furlow. Yes.

6941
04:50:53,520 --> 04:50:56,878
» So, can what could it look like if we

6942
04:50:55,440 --> 04:50:58,958
were pulling from all of those different

6943
04:50:56,878 --> 04:51:03,080
funds

6944
04:50:58,958 --> 04:51:03,080
» For the utilities? Um

6945
04:51:03,120 --> 04:51:08,560
» Because if you're separating those

6946
04:51:05,280 --> 04:51:11,600
» Well, we what we could do is reduce GFSS

6947
04:51:08,560 --> 04:51:15,200
to public works by that amount and then

6948
04:51:11,600 --> 04:51:16,000
put put that employee in public works,

6949
04:51:15,200 --> 04:51:17,840
» Right?

6950
04:51:16,000 --> 04:51:19,440
» We would reduce GFSS.

6951
04:51:17,840 --> 04:51:21,920
» That's why I went to public works.

6952
04:51:19,440 --> 04:51:23,760
» That's a le but then that means we would

6953
04:51:21,920 --> 04:51:24,798
be reducing our general fund by that

6954
04:51:23,760 --> 04:51:28,080
amount of money

6955
04:51:24,798 --> 04:51:29,760
» Or we can pull the utilities.

6956
04:51:28,080 --> 04:51:32,638
Well, now back to the general fund.

6957
04:51:29,760 --> 04:51:35,040
Since the last item, we funded those two

6958
04:51:32,638 --> 04:51:37,840
positions at the furled level. I haven't

6959
04:51:35,040 --> 04:51:39,280
done the math, but I think

6960
04:51:37,840 --> 04:51:41,280
» Did we come out neutral or did we

6961
04:51:39,280 --> 04:51:42,958
actually get a few more dollars into the

6962
04:51:41,280 --> 04:51:44,240
general fund?

6963
04:51:42,958 --> 04:51:45,920
» Yeah, we had a few more dollars.

6964
04:51:44,240 --> 04:51:50,480
» I think we had a few more dollars.

6965
04:51:45,920 --> 04:51:54,638
Couple of it still kept the the um the

6966
04:51:50,480 --> 04:51:56,400
percent of um reserve at 9%. Yeah, but

6967
04:51:54,638 --> 04:51:59,120
we still

6968
04:51:56,400 --> 04:52:01,360
checking where we're at.

6969
04:51:59,120 --> 04:52:04,000
» I mean, we're really

6970
04:52:01,360 --> 04:52:05,040
tapped out in the utility funds that

6971
04:52:04,000 --> 04:52:06,000
were already

6972
04:52:05,040 --> 04:52:07,840
» We are

6973
04:52:06,000 --> 04:52:09,280
» Getting them to support the general fund

6974
04:52:07,840 --> 04:52:11,200
by the amount of money,

6975
04:52:09,280 --> 04:52:11,520
» The water fund especially,

6976
04:52:11,200 --> 04:52:13,200
» Right?

6977
04:52:11,520 --> 04:52:14,560
» Can we go back public works thing? If we

6978
04:52:13,200 --> 04:52:16,240
move code enforcement, public works,

6979
04:52:14,560 --> 04:52:18,160
that's what we're talking about, right?

6980
04:52:16,240 --> 04:52:20,400
» What if said code enforcement doesn't

6981
04:52:18,160 --> 04:52:22,560
want to do that? Wants to stay at police

6982
04:52:20,400 --> 04:52:24,878
department. Can we then hire back at a

6983
04:52:22,560 --> 04:52:28,160
lower rate?

6984
04:52:24,878 --> 04:52:32,320
» Um, you might have some

6985
04:52:28,160 --> 04:52:33,280
uh arbitration with uh the police union.

6986
04:52:32,320 --> 04:52:35,840
» Why would it still be

6987
04:52:33,280 --> 04:52:37,200
» Because that's a that's that position

6988
04:52:35,840 --> 04:52:37,440
currently is in the collective

6989
04:52:37,200 --> 04:52:38,878
department.

6990
04:52:37,440 --> 04:52:39,520
» So, we might not even be able to move

6991
04:52:38,878 --> 04:52:40,560
public works.

6992
04:52:39,520 --> 04:52:42,000
» Correct.

6993
04:52:40,560 --> 04:52:43,040
» I I don't want to speak for the

6994
04:52:42,000 --> 04:52:44,400
employee, but I don't think he would

6995
04:52:43,040 --> 04:52:45,040
object to that.

6996
04:52:44,400 --> 04:52:46,240
» Okay.

6997
04:52:45,040 --> 04:52:48,000
» To moving public works.

6998
04:52:46,240 --> 04:52:49,120
» That's one one hurdle out of the way. I

6999
04:52:48,000 --> 04:52:51,200
think that

7000
04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:52,638
» It benefits a city and he has a job,

7001
04:52:51,200 --> 04:52:53,200
then what difference does it make where

7002
04:52:52,638 --> 04:52:54,958
he's at?

7003
04:52:53,200 --> 04:52:55,680
» You wouldn't have to have both unions

7004
04:52:54,958 --> 04:52:58,000
agree to that.

7005
04:52:55,680 --> 04:53:00,718
» Okay. Okay. Good to know.

7006
04:52:58,000 --> 04:53:03,440
» And if we add a pos if we if we add a

7007
04:53:00,718 --> 04:53:05,360
position to public works and we're going

7008
04:53:03,440 --> 04:53:07,680
to be funding it.

7009
04:53:05,360 --> 04:53:08,958
» It's got to come out at GFSS. I don't

7010
04:53:07,680 --> 04:53:09,840
know how else you're going to fund that

7011
04:53:08,958 --> 04:53:11,760
position.

7012
04:53:09,840 --> 04:53:13,680
» So that means we will be reducing the

7013
04:53:11,760 --> 04:53:15,840
general fund by that amount of money,

7014
04:53:13,680 --> 04:53:18,160
» Right? Except that that's counter

7015
04:53:15,840 --> 04:53:19,920
counterproductive, isn't it?

7016
04:53:18,160 --> 04:53:20,638
» Well, just trying to make the money

7017
04:53:19,920 --> 04:53:21,520
work. That's all.

7018
04:53:20,638 --> 04:53:24,080
» So, could we also

7019
04:53:21,520 --> 04:53:27,440
» So, if we're reducing the the general

7020
04:53:24,080 --> 04:53:29,280
fund support services by this by the

7021
04:53:27,440 --> 04:53:31,440
83,000

7022
04:53:29,280 --> 04:53:33,920
» And

7023
04:53:31,440 --> 04:53:36,320
putting the position

7024
04:53:33,920 --> 04:53:38,160
in

7025
04:53:36,320 --> 04:53:40,638
» What he's looking for is an increase in

7026
04:53:38,160 --> 04:53:43,440
expense and a reduction in expense.

7027
04:53:40,638 --> 04:53:43,840
Well, we if we put if we public works is

7028
04:53:43,440 --> 04:53:45,280
where

7029
04:53:43,840 --> 04:53:46,958
» Public works budget. See what he's

7030
04:53:45,280 --> 04:53:48,160
doing. He's not adding revenue. He's

7031
04:53:46,958 --> 04:53:49,360
just subtracting

7032
04:53:48,160 --> 04:53:50,400
» Not be that he would be

7033
04:53:49,360 --> 04:53:53,440
» And adding it.

7034
04:53:50,400 --> 04:53:54,560
» He's already almost like you take the

7035
04:53:53,440 --> 04:53:56,240
charge back.

7036
04:53:54,560 --> 04:53:57,760
» He's gone already. He's already been

7037
04:53:56,240 --> 04:53:59,520
laid off.

7038
04:53:57,760 --> 04:54:01,120
» So the um

7039
04:53:59,520 --> 04:54:03,120
» Add a position.

7040
04:54:01,120 --> 04:54:04,000
» You would be adding a position to public

7041
04:54:03,120 --> 04:54:05,920
works.

7042
04:54:04,000 --> 04:54:06,718
» So his position is not included in this

7043
04:54:05,920 --> 04:54:08,958
right now.

7044
04:54:06,718 --> 04:54:11,120
» No, but he's already been laid off.

7045
04:54:08,958 --> 04:54:13,200
That's that's the point. Correct. In the

7046
04:54:11,120 --> 04:54:16,920
in the

7047
04:54:13,200 --> 04:54:16,920
» Canire every

7048
04:54:18,240 --> 04:54:23,120
if we can just stop.

7049
04:54:21,200 --> 04:54:25,680
» If we

7050
04:54:23,120 --> 04:54:27,760
didn't do anything with that position in

7051
04:54:25,680 --> 04:54:29,360
the general fund, we just leave it alone

7052
04:54:27,760 --> 04:54:30,638
because it's laid off, right?

7053
04:54:29,360 --> 04:54:34,240
» Currently,

7054
04:54:30,638 --> 04:54:37,760
» And ask that that position be added to

7055
04:54:34,240 --> 04:54:39,840
public works. Then there's no effect on

7056
04:54:37,760 --> 04:54:41,600
the general fund.

7057
04:54:39,840 --> 04:54:43,280
There would be none because there's

7058
04:54:41,600 --> 04:54:44,400
currently

7059
04:54:43,280 --> 04:54:45,200
no

7060
04:54:44,400 --> 04:54:48,958
» They have enough

7061
04:54:45,200 --> 04:54:52,080
» No allocation to for for that position

7062
04:54:48,958 --> 04:54:53,440
that's going to the general fund.

7063
04:54:52,080 --> 04:54:56,000
» So there's there's

7064
04:54:53,440 --> 04:54:59,040
» Well want to do anything with that.

7065
04:54:56,000 --> 04:55:00,080
» Well the police are Oh because it's not

7066
04:54:59,040 --> 04:55:01,600
in the code.

7067
04:55:00,080 --> 04:55:03,440
» Oh

7068
04:55:01,600 --> 04:55:06,080
» So the only

7069
04:55:03,440 --> 04:55:08,798
» Yeah. We're not shuffling an adding

7070
04:55:06,080 --> 04:55:11,760
» Right. I have a question. So if there's

7071
04:55:08,798 --> 04:55:13,440
consideration also that um when the

7072
04:55:11,760 --> 04:55:16,400
union president mentioned and there has

7073
04:55:13,440 --> 04:55:18,320
to be an agreement is there any way to

7074
04:55:16,400 --> 04:55:20,878
and I know that your thought on the

7075
04:55:18,320 --> 04:55:24,320
reserves but is there any way to reduce

7076
04:55:20,878 --> 04:55:26,000
the reserves to the 8% for that position

7077
04:55:24,320 --> 04:55:28,160
and then you know down the road if they

7078
04:55:26,000 --> 04:55:30,320
decide that there's an agreement to move

7079
04:55:28,160 --> 04:55:31,520
it over we could do it at that because

7080
04:55:30,320 --> 04:55:33,680
it sounds like there's a collective

7081
04:55:31,520 --> 04:55:37,120
farming issue back there that we need to

7082
04:55:33,680 --> 04:55:39,200
be mindful of. We just presume that you

7083
04:55:37,120 --> 04:55:41,760
all would

7084
04:55:39,200 --> 04:55:43,680
do your collective bargain.

7085
04:55:41,760 --> 04:55:46,638
» Yeah, the union would have to agree with

7086
04:55:43,680 --> 04:55:49,200
» No, could we do that to put our reserve

7087
04:55:46,638 --> 04:55:51,600
down to 8% from that position in the

7088
04:55:49,200 --> 04:55:53,280
general fund for right now and then we

7089
04:55:51,600 --> 04:55:55,520
can council can look at that like

7090
04:55:53,280 --> 04:55:57,520
» Later. You mean the position itself

7091
04:55:55,520 --> 04:55:59,040
moving it from the police to public

7092
04:55:57,520 --> 04:56:00,480
works is what they because he's gone.

7093
04:55:59,040 --> 04:56:01,840
They but that's what they have to agree

7094
04:56:00,480 --> 04:56:03,680
on. Yeah, but what they're trying to say

7095
04:56:01,840 --> 04:56:05,280
is there's still there's ongoing

7096
04:56:03,680 --> 04:56:07,200
collective bargaining agreements going

7097
04:56:05,280 --> 04:56:09,760
on that makes it challenging for us

7098
04:56:07,200 --> 04:56:11,120
because they they have they would have

7099
04:56:09,760 --> 04:56:12,798
to negotiate because they're bargain

7100
04:56:11,120 --> 04:56:14,560
employees and so we're not able to do

7101
04:56:12,798 --> 04:56:15,680
that here. Like even council doesn't get

7102
04:56:14,560 --> 04:56:18,798
involved in

7103
04:56:15,680 --> 04:56:21,200
» Even though he's laid off that position

7104
04:56:18,798 --> 04:56:24,160
within the city is still

7105
04:56:21,200 --> 04:56:25,840
» Right.

7106
04:56:24,160 --> 04:56:26,160
So even though even though he's not

7107
04:56:25,840 --> 04:56:27,200
here,

7108
04:56:26,160 --> 04:56:29,920
» They would have to agree to move that

7109
04:56:27,200 --> 04:56:32,560
out to Yes. that position is still part

7110
04:56:29,920 --> 04:56:34,958
of the police union whether it there's

7111
04:56:32,560 --> 04:56:37,120
somebody filling it or not. It's still

7112
04:56:34,958 --> 04:56:39,360
» And and

7113
04:56:37,120 --> 04:56:41,520
in doing that it would come out of the

7114
04:56:39,360 --> 04:56:45,200
police union and go into that.

7115
04:56:41,520 --> 04:56:48,480
» So what about red reducing our reserves

7116
04:56:45,200 --> 04:56:50,320
to the 8% and funding that uh code

7117
04:56:48,480 --> 04:56:52,240
enforcement position

7118
04:56:50,320 --> 04:56:54,480
» Where

7119
04:56:52,240 --> 04:56:55,840
in public works or in police? I mean,

7120
04:56:54,480 --> 04:56:57,360
right now it would be police. They could

7121
04:56:55,840 --> 04:56:59,120
decide later down that could be a

7122
04:56:57,360 --> 04:57:00,878
decision later down the road, right?

7123
04:56:59,120 --> 04:57:02,560
Whether there's the agreement to move

7124
04:57:00,878 --> 04:57:03,440
over, but we can't overstep collective

7125
04:57:02,560 --> 04:57:06,878
volume.

7126
04:57:03,440 --> 04:57:09,840
» What's what's the timeline? Is it

7127
04:57:06,878 --> 04:57:10,480
» Good question?

7128
04:57:09,840 --> 04:57:12,480
» Good question.

7129
04:57:10,480 --> 04:57:14,160
» Oh, it's it's coming. It's coming. Okay.

7130
04:57:12,480 --> 04:57:16,160
» Is that for both? That's both of the

7131
04:57:14,160 --> 04:57:18,000
bargain units.

7132
04:57:16,160 --> 04:57:19,200
» You don't have to sign that contract.

7133
04:57:18,000 --> 04:57:19,360
And that's one thing we need to

7134
04:57:19,200 --> 04:57:22,240
remember.

7135
04:57:19,360 --> 04:57:26,958
» Okay. So, what about that? like going

7136
04:57:22,240 --> 04:57:29,120
down to the 8% refund or um funding the

7137
04:57:26,958 --> 04:57:30,080
code enforcement. I think we need code

7138
04:57:29,120 --> 04:57:31,840
enforcement.

7139
04:57:30,080 --> 04:57:33,600
» Can I ask a question real quick? This is

7140
04:57:31,840 --> 04:57:35,280
maybe semi unrelated and a stupid

7141
04:57:33,600 --> 04:57:37,040
question. I saw a dog in here tonight.

7142
04:57:35,280 --> 04:57:38,638
Did you guys get a dog?

7143
04:57:37,040 --> 04:57:41,280
» No, we did not. That was a service dog

7144
04:57:38,638 --> 04:57:42,000
from the union attorney.

7145
04:57:41,280 --> 04:57:46,560
» Oh,

7146
04:57:42,000 --> 04:57:47,280
» Interesting. Good question, though. Uh

7147
04:57:46,560 --> 04:57:50,638
» So yeah

7148
04:57:47,280 --> 04:57:52,798
» Go down to the eight 8% for right now

7149
04:57:50,638 --> 04:57:54,400
because right that could change

7150
04:57:52,798 --> 04:57:57,440
depending on but then we save code

7151
04:57:54,400 --> 04:57:59,680
enforcement we go down to 8% when the

7152
04:57:57,440 --> 04:58:00,798
negotiations are done that can also be

7153
04:57:59,680 --> 04:58:02,798
because it's going to come before

7154
04:58:00,798 --> 04:58:03,440
council's consideration anyway at that

7155
04:58:02,798 --> 04:58:06,160
point

7156
04:58:03,440 --> 04:58:08,000
» 83 grand and put it into to Jacob's

7157
04:58:06,160 --> 04:58:10,560
position and some other decisions. I

7158
04:58:08,000 --> 04:58:12,878
mean, you know, right now the police are

7159
04:58:10,560 --> 04:58:15,520
in negotiations. I'm not full plugging

7160
04:58:12,878 --> 04:58:17,040
more money into the police and going

7161
04:58:15,520 --> 04:58:20,160
down on reserve. We have this huge

7162
04:58:17,040 --> 04:58:21,760
discussion 5% 4% whatever. We're going

7163
04:58:20,160 --> 04:58:24,240
to start plugging positions. We should

7164
04:58:21,760 --> 04:58:26,958
be plugging positions

7165
04:58:24,240 --> 04:58:28,798
open that help us plan, help the

7166
04:58:26,958 --> 04:58:29,760
library, whatever we need to do to keep

7167
04:58:28,798 --> 04:58:31,520
our operations.

7168
04:58:29,760 --> 04:58:34,160
» Fully funded the library, fully funded

7169
04:58:31,520 --> 04:58:36,878
direct. We've just now opened up the the

7170
04:58:34,160 --> 04:58:40,000
front the front office. I think we need

7171
04:58:36,878 --> 04:58:42,560
code enforcement. There are a lot of

7172
04:58:40,000 --> 04:58:44,480
livability issues that code enforcement

7173
04:58:42,560 --> 04:58:46,638
that is my personal opinion and whether

7174
04:58:44,480 --> 04:58:48,400
that person down the road I hate see

7175
04:58:46,638 --> 04:58:50,000
heads shaking out in the gallery.

7176
04:58:48,400 --> 04:58:51,520
Whether down the road after the

7177
04:58:50,000 --> 04:58:54,560
collective bargaining agreement is done

7178
04:58:51,520 --> 04:58:57,280
and they can choose to whether whether

7179
04:58:54,560 --> 04:58:58,638
this person lies or lives I should say.

7180
04:58:57,280 --> 04:59:01,360
» Percentage should we go over our

7181
04:58:58,638 --> 04:59:03,760
reserves this year that caused this to

7182
04:59:01,360 --> 04:59:06,080
close down?

7183
04:59:03,760 --> 04:59:08,480
» What was that? What percentage to C that

7184
04:59:06,080 --> 04:59:10,718
did we go over our reserves? I made

7185
04:59:08,480 --> 04:59:12,320
talking about

7186
04:59:10,718 --> 04:59:14,400
we made a decision to fund the police

7187
04:59:12,320 --> 04:59:16,000
and now we're talking we're we're now

7188
04:59:14,400 --> 04:59:19,760
going to go back and revisit that

7189
04:59:16,000 --> 04:59:20,000
decision and and add less reserves and

7190
04:59:19,760 --> 04:59:21,440
we

7191
04:59:20,000 --> 04:59:22,638
» Already made a decision on the funding

7192
04:59:21,440 --> 04:59:24,160
for the police.

7193
04:59:22,638 --> 04:59:25,520
» I'm interested in code enforcement the

7194
04:59:24,160 --> 04:59:28,080
9%.

7195
04:59:25,520 --> 04:59:29,840
» I am interested in code enforcement. I

7196
04:59:28,080 --> 04:59:31,280
am not very interested in taking down

7197
04:59:29,840 --> 04:59:33,200
the reserve because I think there's at

7198
04:59:31,280 --> 04:59:35,440
least one other item to discuss which

7199
04:59:33,200 --> 04:59:37,760
may be the reason to hold more reserve

7200
04:59:35,440 --> 04:59:39,760
appending some clarification and that's

7201
04:59:37,760 --> 04:59:42,400
the legal matter and and the fees

7202
04:59:39,760 --> 04:59:45,840
acrewing and I'm just wondering

7203
04:59:42,400 --> 04:59:48,878
» Do we have any sort of legal uh

7204
04:59:45,840 --> 04:59:51,440
» Estimation of what the cost will be so

7205
04:59:48,878 --> 04:59:53,120
in a business context we get lawsuits

7206
04:59:51,440 --> 04:59:54,958
and so we estimate how much we're going

7207
04:59:53,120 --> 04:59:57,680
to pay and we hold a reserve sometimes

7208
04:59:54,958 --> 04:59:59,360
we do better than that but It seems to

7209
04:59:57,680 --> 05:00:01,600
me like there might be a legal overhang

7210
04:59:59,360 --> 05:00:04,000
right now that's that's unaccounted for.

7211
05:00:01,600 --> 05:00:05,520
» So I think that that is a and this goes

7212
05:00:04,000 --> 05:00:08,400
back to Steve's conversation because we

7213
05:00:05,520 --> 05:00:08,718
have had about what $750,000 in legal

7214
05:00:08,400 --> 05:00:09,760
fees.

7215
05:00:08,718 --> 05:00:10,240
» So that's part of the reason I would

7216
05:00:09,760 --> 05:00:12,480
like

7217
05:00:10,240 --> 05:00:15,040
» But those are those those are unknown

7218
05:00:12,480 --> 05:00:16,560
and it just depends on what comes up,

7219
05:00:15,040 --> 05:00:16,878
right? So it's really hard. We've had

7220
05:00:16,560 --> 05:00:19,200
that.

7221
05:00:16,878 --> 05:00:21,600
» But if they're 50% chance of a million

7222
05:00:19,200 --> 05:00:24,160
and 50% chance of zero, I'd like to hold

7223
05:00:21,600 --> 05:00:26,000
500,000 and get that

7224
05:00:24,160 --> 05:00:27,760
» In a great world. I think that'd be

7225
05:00:26,000 --> 05:00:28,560
great. I mean, but here's the thing that

7226
05:00:27,760 --> 05:00:30,320
we're what we're

7227
05:00:28,560 --> 05:00:31,840
» We're being charged $1,000 a day.

7228
05:00:30,320 --> 05:00:33,840
» No, you're hearing that. But actually,

7229
05:00:31,840 --> 05:00:36,160
that's not what council said, though.

7230
05:00:33,840 --> 05:00:37,920
» I mean, worked 57.

7231
05:00:36,160 --> 05:00:39,600
» All I'm saying, we have three council

7232
05:00:37,920 --> 05:00:41,600
members here. The information that has

7233
05:00:39,600 --> 05:00:42,958
given to us by our attorney from the

7234
05:00:41,600 --> 05:00:45,200
last time, correct me if I'm wrong, is

7235
05:00:42,958 --> 05:00:47,040
that we had one day of contingency

7236
05:00:45,200 --> 05:00:50,080
unless my council members say something

7237
05:00:47,040 --> 05:00:51,360
different. We as a council have not been

7238
05:00:50,080 --> 05:00:55,040
given any other information.

7239
05:00:51,360 --> 05:00:55,360
» I called to verify it. $57,000.

7240
05:00:55,040 --> 05:00:57,360
All right.

7241
05:00:55,360 --> 05:00:59,360
» We have no knowledge of any of that as

7242
05:00:57,360 --> 05:01:02,480
» Administration or finance. Is there

7243
05:00:59,360 --> 05:01:04,480
anything you can add for color around

7244
05:01:02,480 --> 05:01:06,480
» Legal

7245
05:01:04,480 --> 05:01:09,680
in particular? I I don't know that to be

7246
05:01:06,480 --> 05:01:12,240
true that u there I mean we have insured

7247
05:01:09,680 --> 05:01:14,240
and uninsured kinds of things.

7248
05:01:12,240 --> 05:01:17,040
» CIS handles

7249
05:01:14,240 --> 05:01:18,638
» Some of the thing is right now

7250
05:01:17,040 --> 05:01:20,798
» Oh,

7251
05:01:18,638 --> 05:01:22,240
thousands a day and we owe 55,000. But

7252
05:01:20,798 --> 05:01:23,840
you're saying the administration's not

7253
05:01:22,240 --> 05:01:26,160
aware of that and that's what the

7254
05:01:23,840 --> 05:01:26,480
council is saying too.

7255
05:01:26,160 --> 05:01:27,920
» Yeah.

7256
05:01:26,480 --> 05:01:30,160
» Because I'm just talking about budget.

7257
05:01:27,920 --> 05:01:33,200
» I'm saying as I sit here today I

7258
05:01:30,160 --> 05:01:34,798
understand one day. That is all that I

7259
05:01:33,200 --> 05:01:36,958
can speak to. That is all that I have

7260
05:01:34,798 --> 05:01:40,160
been told. So I have not seen anything

7261
05:01:36,958 --> 05:01:40,718
that that you you either one of you are

7262
05:01:40,160 --> 05:01:43,200
are like

7263
05:01:40,718 --> 05:01:44,958
» And to be clear it's not been paid. It's

7264
05:01:43,200 --> 05:01:46,000
being charged has not been paid. And

7265
05:01:44,958 --> 05:01:48,958
there's 30,000

7266
05:01:46,000 --> 05:01:50,400
» I don't have firstand city attorney. I'm

7267
05:01:48,958 --> 05:01:51,120
looking for

7268
05:01:50,400 --> 05:01:52,638
position.

7269
05:01:51,120 --> 05:01:54,638
» We're not talking about attorneys fees.

7270
05:01:52,638 --> 05:01:56,240
We're just talking about I just wanted

7271
05:01:54,638 --> 05:01:59,920
to know

7272
05:01:56,240 --> 05:02:02,480
» With the idea that we have a somebody's

7273
05:01:59,920 --> 05:02:05,920
saying we owe $1,000 a day in sanctions,

7274
05:02:02,480 --> 05:02:09,280
lawyer sanctions or or or for sanctions

7275
05:02:05,920 --> 05:02:11,440
on a court order and I wanted to simply

7276
05:02:09,280 --> 05:02:13,360
have a discussion.

7277
05:02:11,440 --> 05:02:15,920
We need a budget for that. What is the

7278
05:02:13,360 --> 05:02:16,958
plan for that? And it sounds to me like

7279
05:02:15,920 --> 05:02:19,120
what I'm hearing from the

7280
05:02:16,958 --> 05:02:20,718
administration, the council is we don't

7281
05:02:19,120 --> 05:02:22,400
have that information.

7282
05:02:20,718 --> 05:02:25,040
» And so why would we don't need to have

7283
05:02:22,400 --> 05:02:26,240
the budget discussion, but we brought it

7284
05:02:25,040 --> 05:02:28,160
up,

7285
05:02:26,240 --> 05:02:28,878
» Take a look at it, figure out what's

7286
05:02:28,160 --> 05:02:30,560
going to go on.

7287
05:02:28,878 --> 05:02:32,320
» Sure. But as a budget committee, we can

7288
05:02:30,560 --> 05:02:34,320
sit here and say, gosh, there's been

7289
05:02:32,320 --> 05:02:35,200
some legal activity more than

7290
05:02:34,320 --> 05:02:36,958
historically usually.

7291
05:02:35,200 --> 05:02:40,080
» I don't think we really want to head

7292
05:02:36,958 --> 05:02:41,440
down that path. Maybe I got the source

7293
05:02:40,080 --> 05:02:43,120
about it, but I think they

7294
05:02:41,440 --> 05:02:44,480
» Well, from a fiscal responsibility

7295
05:02:43,120 --> 05:02:47,360
standpoint, I just want to make sure

7296
05:02:44,480 --> 05:02:49,360
we've covered

7297
05:02:47,360 --> 05:02:51,760
» Because because

7298
05:02:49,360 --> 05:02:52,718
the costs could come in and be

7299
05:02:51,760 --> 05:02:55,280
unbudgeted.

7300
05:02:52,718 --> 05:02:56,798
» 365,00 I can't tell. I think that's the

7301
05:02:55,280 --> 05:02:59,280
problem. I can't tell if we've got any

7302
05:02:56,798 --> 05:03:00,480
provision to deal with pending

7303
05:02:59,280 --> 05:03:00,958
litigation.

7304
05:03:00,480 --> 05:03:02,080
» Well,

7305
05:03:00,958 --> 05:03:03,440
» That's a good point.

7306
05:03:02,080 --> 05:03:05,680
» That's what I just can't tell from this

7307
05:03:03,440 --> 05:03:08,480
budget. So if anyone could help direct

7308
05:03:05,680 --> 05:03:10,240
me to it or otherwise I start to think

7309
05:03:08,480 --> 05:03:12,958
may have a potential liability that's

7310
05:03:10,240 --> 05:03:15,760
unaccounted for.

7311
05:03:12,958 --> 05:03:18,080
» Where I think it comes into

7312
05:03:15,760 --> 05:03:19,920
» I think the line item is professional

7313
05:03:18,080 --> 05:03:21,680
services. Yeah.

7314
05:03:19,920 --> 05:03:23,920
» On page 79.

7315
05:03:21,680 --> 05:03:26,718
» Yeah.

7316
05:03:23,920 --> 05:03:31,240
» Professional services

7317
05:03:26,718 --> 05:03:31,240
budget right now is only 100,000.

7318
05:03:31,840 --> 05:03:38,000
» Okay. So that's where it would give if

7319
05:03:35,120 --> 05:03:40,400
this

7320
05:03:38,000 --> 05:03:42,878
purported $1,000 a day penalty which the

7321
05:03:40,400 --> 05:03:44,638
mayor's aware of one one day applicable.

7322
05:03:42,878 --> 05:03:47,200
» Well, one day applicable council is

7323
05:03:44,638 --> 05:03:49,200
aware applicable.

7324
05:03:47,200 --> 05:03:50,638
» What day was that? That that's

7325
05:03:49,200 --> 05:03:51,120
» 79,

7326
05:03:50,638 --> 05:03:52,160
» You know.

7327
05:03:51,120 --> 05:03:53,680
» What day did it start?

7328
05:03:52,160 --> 05:03:55,040
» Yeah. Like no,

7329
05:03:53,680 --> 05:03:56,798
» That was a day in March that

7330
05:03:55,040 --> 05:03:58,400
» March 25th to today.

7331
05:03:56,798 --> 05:03:59,920
» Okay. So, we're lacking information.

7332
05:03:58,400 --> 05:04:02,400
There's a possibility it's been acrewing

7333
05:03:59,920 --> 05:04:03,920
every day until now. Unless someone can

7334
05:04:02,400 --> 05:04:05,920
» I know for a fact

7335
05:04:03,920 --> 05:04:07,760
» It at that point it feels like what

7336
05:04:05,920 --> 05:04:09,840
we're talking about is these term

7337
05:04:07,760 --> 05:04:12,560
phantom numbers because we don't know

7338
05:04:09,840 --> 05:04:13,040
what that is and we don't know if this

7339
05:04:12,560 --> 05:04:15,200
is

7340
05:04:13,040 --> 05:04:18,240
» Except it's a liability which you have

7341
05:04:15,200 --> 05:04:19,520
to you have to account for what is a

7342
05:04:18,240 --> 05:04:20,798
» Probable expense.

7343
05:04:19,520 --> 05:04:23,440
» We also don't know

7344
05:04:20,798 --> 05:04:27,200
» The language. I don't have and so it's

7345
05:04:23,440 --> 05:04:29,840
not reasonable in my mind. We know a

7346
05:04:27,200 --> 05:04:34,400
$1,000 a day charge at least for one day

7347
05:04:29,840 --> 05:04:37,520
was wagered and 50 days have passed.

7348
05:04:34,400 --> 05:04:39,120
There could be enough to almost pay for

7349
05:04:37,520 --> 05:04:40,718
code enforcement. I'm just trying to get

7350
05:04:39,120 --> 05:04:41,440
to the bottom and this seems difficult

7351
05:04:40,718 --> 05:04:44,000
to understand.

7352
05:04:41,440 --> 05:04:45,840
» We need more information because for I

7353
05:04:44,000 --> 05:04:47,280
mean it's very difficult when we have

7354
05:04:45,840 --> 05:04:50,160
people coming in saying one thing but

7355
05:04:47,280 --> 05:04:52,718
then council's on it. So I don't want to

7356
05:04:50,160 --> 05:04:54,080
cut positions on information that we

7357
05:04:52,718 --> 05:04:54,638
don't have at this time when we're

7358
05:04:54,080 --> 05:04:56,000
trying to say

7359
05:04:54,638 --> 05:04:57,280
» I don't want to cut the reserve when

7360
05:04:56,000 --> 05:04:59,600
there's this issue.

7361
05:04:57,280 --> 05:05:02,878
» So that that's the crux of it right

7362
05:04:59,600 --> 05:05:05,440
there is that we need to we don't know

7363
05:05:02,878 --> 05:05:06,958
what we don't know and and that

7364
05:05:05,440 --> 05:05:08,400
contingency

7365
05:05:06,958 --> 05:05:10,480
that reserve

7366
05:05:08,400 --> 05:05:13,600
» There's a court order that literally

7367
05:05:10,480 --> 05:05:16,718
says you are ordered to pay. Okay. But

7368
05:05:13,600 --> 05:05:19,600
still our our

7369
05:05:16,718 --> 05:05:21,520
contingency balance, our reserve balance

7370
05:05:19,600 --> 05:05:24,240
needs to be able to cover things

7371
05:05:21,520 --> 05:05:25,680
» Sufficient to cover that. Yes. Exactly.

7372
05:05:24,240 --> 05:05:27,280
And so that takes me back to I don't

7373
05:05:25,680 --> 05:05:28,878
want to go down a percent to fund code

7374
05:05:27,280 --> 05:05:31,680
enforcement, but I do like code

7375
05:05:28,878 --> 05:05:33,360
enforcement existing. So I'm just not

7376
05:05:31,680 --> 05:05:36,160
willing to budge on the reserve because

7377
05:05:33,360 --> 05:05:38,240
there's also this other bhang top of the

7378
05:05:36,160 --> 05:05:40,638
fact that we're running even if we get

7379
05:05:38,240 --> 05:05:43,920
to nine, we're below half of the target

7380
05:05:40,638 --> 05:05:47,440
reserve. So, I will say this having

7381
05:05:43,920 --> 05:05:48,798
having done a foyer request on and I

7382
05:05:47,440 --> 05:05:50,878
don't have I mean I could look it up and

7383
05:05:48,798 --> 05:05:55,280
try and find it. It's many many pages

7384
05:05:50,878 --> 05:05:58,240
long on the professional services line

7385
05:05:55,280 --> 05:06:00,878
item which is you'll see it in every

7386
05:05:58,240 --> 05:06:03,840
single

7387
05:06:00,878 --> 05:06:07,600
professional services line.

7388
05:06:03,840 --> 05:06:11,120
That is that covers lawyers. It covers

7389
05:06:07,600 --> 05:06:12,878
street sweepers. It covers painters. It

7390
05:06:11,120 --> 05:06:13,920
covers a lot of different vendors.

7391
05:06:12,878 --> 05:06:16,638
» They audit.

7392
05:06:13,920 --> 05:06:19,120
» So if we So if you want more

7393
05:06:16,638 --> 05:06:20,798
granularity, which I think is reasonable

7394
05:06:19,120 --> 05:06:24,638
because

7395
05:06:20,798 --> 05:06:28,080
we do have significant expenses, legal

7396
05:06:24,638 --> 05:06:31,120
expenses that are incurring

7397
05:06:28,080 --> 05:06:34,160
occurring significantly.

7398
05:06:31,120 --> 05:06:36,000
So I think it is reasonable and we had

7399
05:06:34,160 --> 05:06:37,840
this discussion last year of more

7400
05:06:36,000 --> 05:06:39,920
granularity.

7401
05:06:37,840 --> 05:06:43,760
you would need be breaking down

7402
05:06:39,920 --> 05:06:45,280
professional services into legal and

7403
05:06:43,760 --> 05:06:48,320
then we could say, "Oh, well, we're

7404
05:06:45,280 --> 05:06:49,840
paying half a million dollars a year in

7405
05:06:48,320 --> 05:06:52,560
lawyer fees." And I just pull that

7406
05:06:49,840 --> 05:06:54,160
number out of the air as you say, but

7407
05:06:52,560 --> 05:06:56,000
don't be surprised. It's it's certainly

7408
05:06:54,160 --> 05:06:56,798
more than a quarter million. Okay. It's

7409
05:06:56,000 --> 05:06:57,920
more than that.

7410
05:06:56,798 --> 05:06:59,760
» Wouldn't be surprised.

7411
05:06:57,920 --> 05:07:02,000
» It's it's a big it's a it's a large

7412
05:06:59,760 --> 05:07:03,760
number. It's six figure number. I don't

7413
05:07:02,000 --> 05:07:06,798
know. But

7414
05:07:03,760 --> 05:07:09,760
we we don't have the granularity

7415
05:07:06,798 --> 05:07:11,920
in this document to be talking. I think

7416
05:07:09,760 --> 05:07:12,400
it's a good idea to have.

7417
05:07:11,920 --> 05:07:15,520
» Yeah.

7418
05:07:12,400 --> 05:07:17,440
» I think so because it is something that

7419
05:07:15,520 --> 05:07:20,480
is

7420
05:07:17,440 --> 05:07:22,000
we went back and compared as marketing.

7421
05:07:20,480 --> 05:07:23,360
» It has gone up. Absolutely.

7422
05:07:22,000 --> 05:07:24,560
» Yeah. There's other things like he's

7423
05:07:23,360 --> 05:07:27,200
talking about though when you start

7424
05:07:24,560 --> 05:07:29,680
looking at when you are purchasing or

7425
05:07:27,200 --> 05:07:32,080
doing negotiations for industry, you're

7426
05:07:29,680 --> 05:07:35,040
going to have more contractual attorney

7427
05:07:32,080 --> 05:07:36,000
fees as you go through that process. So

7428
05:07:35,040 --> 05:07:37,920
there's

7429
05:07:36,000 --> 05:07:39,840
» There's a lot of things. So when people

7430
05:07:37,920 --> 05:07:42,958
try to portray that it's all like a

7431
05:07:39,840 --> 05:07:45,120
lawsuit, that's not actually factual.

7432
05:07:42,958 --> 05:07:47,600
» So that's that's why I want

7433
05:07:45,120 --> 05:07:49,760
» I just I just want us to not to not go

7434
05:07:47,600 --> 05:07:52,560
insolvent as a city because of something

7435
05:07:49,760 --> 05:07:55,280
we couldn't foresee. And so my argument

7436
05:07:52,560 --> 05:07:57,120
is well if it could be a six-f figure

7437
05:07:55,280 --> 05:08:00,638
number I don't know exactly where in

7438
05:07:57,120 --> 05:08:03,280
there but we're only talking about a 9%

7439
05:08:00,638 --> 05:08:05,280
reserve which is in the six figure range

7440
05:08:03,280 --> 05:08:06,560
it's not in you know it's not the seven

7441
05:08:05,280 --> 05:08:08,480
figures yet right

7442
05:08:06,560 --> 05:08:10,560
» I will say

7443
05:08:08,480 --> 05:08:12,638
» But we do have proposals in every single

7444
05:08:10,560 --> 05:08:13,200
fund

7445
05:08:12,638 --> 05:08:15,680
» Sure

7446
05:08:13,200 --> 05:08:16,718
» Pulling numbers out here

7447
05:08:15,680 --> 05:08:19,200
» Uh

7448
05:08:16,718 --> 05:08:21,200
» But they may be insufficient is the

7449
05:08:19,200 --> 05:08:24,080
point you're because a lot of that is

7450
05:08:21,200 --> 05:08:26,320
business's usual professional lawyer

7451
05:08:24,080 --> 05:08:28,160
services. Well, this is sort of this

7452
05:08:26,320 --> 05:08:30,320
oneoff lumpy thing that happens. We

7453
05:08:28,160 --> 05:08:32,480
don't I don't always have all the there

7454
05:08:30,320 --> 05:08:35,680
are there are legal physicians being

7455
05:08:32,480 --> 05:08:37,440
taken by the city that are costing

7456
05:08:35,680 --> 05:08:38,160
and then there are also things that we

7457
05:08:37,440 --> 05:08:40,160
are doing.

7458
05:08:38,160 --> 05:08:43,440
» I don't let me just finish. There are

7459
05:08:40,160 --> 05:08:47,280
other things that we are doing like

7460
05:08:43,440 --> 05:08:51,200
negotiating contracts, complex contracts

7461
05:08:47,280 --> 05:08:53,360
regarding real estate purchases with you

7462
05:08:51,200 --> 05:08:55,360
know companies that are coming in to do

7463
05:08:53,360 --> 05:09:01,240
significant amount of work or we're also

7464
05:08:55,360 --> 05:09:01,240
negotiating water deals that also is

7465
05:09:01,600 --> 05:09:07,440
you know so we can't say yeah it cost us

7466
05:09:05,200 --> 05:09:10,400
a lot to do business

7467
05:09:07,440 --> 05:09:14,718
state and then We have a litigation

7468
05:09:10,400 --> 05:09:16,400
profile. We are prepared to discuss that

7469
05:09:14,718 --> 05:09:19,040
because we don't have the granularity.

7470
05:09:16,400 --> 05:09:22,718
But I will say that litigation

7471
05:09:19,040 --> 05:09:25,600
litigation is is costing the city money

7472
05:09:22,718 --> 05:09:28,798
significantly.

7473
05:09:25,600 --> 05:09:30,160
» Does it increase our insurance?

7474
05:09:28,798 --> 05:09:31,760
» Well, the insurance numbers sure have

7475
05:09:30,160 --> 05:09:33,200
run up rapidly. We haven't gotten into

7476
05:09:31,760 --> 05:09:34,958
that and I don't know that we can do

7477
05:09:33,200 --> 05:09:36,320
anything about it, but the CIS lines are

7478
05:09:34,958 --> 05:09:38,080
all growing.

7479
05:09:36,320 --> 05:09:39,600
» What is that? And what did we lose it?

7480
05:09:38,080 --> 05:09:43,040
» I I didn't do the percentage. I don't

7481
05:09:39,600 --> 05:09:46,160
know if Gloria happens to have it, but

7482
05:09:43,040 --> 05:09:49,040
» Year over year it's rising.

7483
05:09:46,160 --> 05:09:50,560
» It's also causing us to dip into our,

7484
05:09:49,040 --> 05:09:52,080
you know, it's a profile we're talking

7485
05:09:50,560 --> 05:09:54,240
about and how what are the risks that

7486
05:09:52,080 --> 05:09:57,200
the city is ameliating? What are the

7487
05:09:54,240 --> 05:10:00,400
risks the city is willing to take? What

7488
05:09:57,200 --> 05:10:04,240
is our tolerance of risk? What is our

7489
05:10:00,400 --> 05:10:07,760
tolerance of of litigation?

7490
05:10:04,240 --> 05:10:10,480
Um these are things that I would suggest

7491
05:10:07,760 --> 05:10:12,080
need to be carefully considered

7492
05:10:10,480 --> 05:10:13,920
uh because being aggressive in

7493
05:10:12,080 --> 05:10:17,680
litigation

7494
05:10:13,920 --> 05:10:19,280
has not necessarily paid for us

7495
05:10:17,680 --> 05:10:23,200
and that's something that we need to be

7496
05:10:19,280 --> 05:10:24,878
talking about. What is our risk profile?

7497
05:10:23,200 --> 05:10:27,280
» Those are those are just topics in

7498
05:10:24,878 --> 05:10:30,160
general. My understanding from you,

7499
05:10:27,280 --> 05:10:33,440
Steve, was that the $1,000 a day is

7500
05:10:30,160 --> 05:10:34,000
related to delay of public records

7501
05:10:33,440 --> 05:10:34,798
requests.

7502
05:10:34,000 --> 05:10:36,958
» Correct.

7503
05:10:34,798 --> 05:10:38,798
» Okay. So, that's not even a legal

7504
05:10:36,958 --> 05:10:39,520
overhang. That's an operational

7505
05:10:38,798 --> 05:10:41,280
challenge, maybe.

7506
05:10:39,520 --> 05:10:44,638
» Yeah, we've had two of those.

7507
05:10:41,280 --> 05:10:47,120
» So, could that cost us $100,000 in a

7508
05:10:44,638 --> 05:10:48,798
year because we can't produce documents

7509
05:10:47,120 --> 05:10:51,920
fast enough? I think that this is more

7510
05:10:48,798 --> 05:10:55,360
complex than what it I think the minutia

7511
05:10:51,920 --> 05:10:57,600
of the legal uh specifics we're talking

7512
05:10:55,360 --> 05:10:59,120
about is probably more complex than

7513
05:10:57,600 --> 05:11:00,560
probably what needs to be hashed out in

7514
05:10:59,120 --> 05:11:02,878
a budget committee.

7515
05:11:00,560 --> 05:11:05,280
» Okay. So, all of that makes me want to

7516
05:11:02,878 --> 05:11:06,958
increase the all of this ambiguity and

7517
05:11:05,280 --> 05:11:08,798
cloudiness just makes me want to have a

7518
05:11:06,958 --> 05:11:09,680
higher reserve.

7519
05:11:08,798 --> 05:11:11,120
» I think that's

7520
05:11:09,680 --> 05:11:12,320
» That's where I'm at and that's and I'm

7521
05:11:11,120 --> 05:11:14,000
going to work with the information I

7522
05:11:12,320 --> 05:11:17,840
have available.

7523
05:11:14,000 --> 05:11:19,680
it gets written and probably the

7524
05:11:17,840 --> 05:11:21,920
percentages you're talking about here

7525
05:11:19,680 --> 05:11:24,560
are thin

7526
05:11:21,920 --> 05:11:27,440
» And if the if this these claims don't

7527
05:11:24,560 --> 05:11:29,120
materialize great we've got the reserve

7528
05:11:27,440 --> 05:11:30,878
it'll go towards the reserve next year

7529
05:11:29,120 --> 05:11:33,520
it'll be less of a burden to refund that

7530
05:11:30,878 --> 05:11:38,080
reserve

7531
05:11:33,520 --> 05:11:39,920
» There amount I I get it

7532
05:11:38,080 --> 05:11:42,320
» Honestly I'd like to see us at a full

7533
05:11:39,920 --> 05:11:44,480
20% next year

7534
05:11:42,320 --> 05:11:46,320
» We need revit we Yeah. I don't know how

7535
05:11:44,480 --> 05:11:46,798
we're Oh, speaking of revenues, what

7536
05:11:46,320 --> 05:11:48,480
about

7537
05:11:46,798 --> 05:11:50,560
» Well, you do need gas in your car, but

7538
05:11:48,480 --> 05:11:54,080
you also need brakes.

7539
05:11:50,560 --> 05:11:56,718
» Yes, that's true. What about the u we

7540
05:11:54,080 --> 05:11:59,200
get on the tourism thing, Gloria, last

7541
05:11:56,718 --> 05:11:59,760
year did a $5 charge per ticket,

7542
05:11:59,200 --> 05:12:01,760
» Right?

7543
05:11:59,760 --> 05:12:03,760
» Can we make that $10 this year and try

7544
05:12:01,760 --> 05:12:05,200
and get another

7545
05:12:03,760 --> 05:12:06,718
» Can we get more of that? And I don't

7546
05:12:05,200 --> 05:12:09,200
want necessarily want the tickets price

7547
05:12:06,718 --> 05:12:11,040
raised.

7548
05:12:09,200 --> 05:12:12,480
Um,

7549
05:12:11,040 --> 05:12:16,120
» We could put a fee on the ballot to

7550
05:12:12,480 --> 05:12:16,120
cover legal expenses.

7551
05:12:16,560 --> 05:12:18,718
» But really, you could

7552
05:12:17,600 --> 05:12:20,958
» I'm just looking.

7553
05:12:18,718 --> 05:12:23,920
» Okay. So, I don't think we're making any

7554
05:12:20,958 --> 05:12:27,360
headway here other than if we want to if

7555
05:12:23,920 --> 05:12:28,718
we want to move back to how to fund a

7556
05:12:27,360 --> 05:12:30,958
code enforcement.

7557
05:12:28,718 --> 05:12:32,000
» I I'll just say I'm I'm not comfortable

7558
05:12:30,958 --> 05:12:33,440
pulling it out of reserve.

7559
05:12:32,000 --> 05:12:35,920
» So, I'd like to talk about that in the

7560
05:12:33,440 --> 05:12:40,600
pulling from the utilities and

7561
05:12:35,920 --> 05:12:40,600
» Okay. So, I'd like to

7562
05:12:43,280 --> 05:12:49,680
» Lori had the I think she was the

7563
05:12:47,440 --> 05:12:53,600
» I'm trying to put this together so that

7564
05:12:49,680 --> 05:12:54,160
we we get down. We've got a motion

7565
05:12:53,600 --> 05:12:56,480
» To that.

7566
05:12:54,160 --> 05:12:58,160
» Oh, we're Okay. So, we're pending the

7567
05:12:56,480 --> 05:12:59,520
cost of code enforcement.

7568
05:12:58,160 --> 05:13:00,638
» Yeah, we know what that is. It was like

7569
05:12:59,520 --> 05:13:02,480
83 and some change.

7570
05:13:00,638 --> 05:13:02,958
» Put them into public works. They were

7571
05:13:02,480 --> 05:13:05,760
leasing

7572
05:13:02,958 --> 05:13:07,760
» Using the utility funds to

7573
05:13:05,760 --> 05:13:10,240
» What's the proposal

7574
05:13:07,760 --> 05:13:12,560
» Was to have

7575
05:13:10,240 --> 05:13:16,600
uh funded out of public works using

7576
05:13:12,560 --> 05:13:16,600
pulling from the storm water

7577
05:13:16,718 --> 05:13:23,520
» Storm water sewer street would all split

7578
05:13:19,840 --> 05:13:26,320
the funding of the

7579
05:13:23,520 --> 05:13:28,480
» We would have to create

7580
05:13:26,320 --> 05:13:31,760
we would what we're doing then is we're

7581
05:13:28,480 --> 05:13:34,798
creating we're funding a single position

7582
05:13:31,760 --> 05:13:35,840
by taxing funds. I don't know how we

7583
05:13:34,798 --> 05:13:37,840
justify that.

7584
05:13:35,840 --> 05:13:39,520
» Well, that's how much of the positions

7585
05:13:37,840 --> 05:13:41,120
are funded today. Frankly,

7586
05:13:39,520 --> 05:13:43,440
» They're in a department. What we're

7587
05:13:41,120 --> 05:13:45,120
going to do is put a standalone person

7588
05:13:43,440 --> 05:13:47,200
called code enforcement person. Then

7589
05:13:45,120 --> 05:13:50,000
we're going to tax the funds for code

7590
05:13:47,200 --> 05:13:52,638
enforcement position.

7591
05:13:50,000 --> 05:13:55,200
» I mean, it seems a bit halfbaked with

7592
05:13:52,638 --> 05:13:58,320
with a union hurdle and who would

7593
05:13:55,200 --> 05:14:01,320
disperse or institute structural change,

7594
05:13:58,320 --> 05:14:01,320
etc.

7595
05:14:01,840 --> 05:14:04,240
I I I

7596
05:14:02,958 --> 05:14:06,080
» I'm I'm just putting it out there

7597
05:14:04,240 --> 05:14:07,520
because there has been a massive amount

7598
05:14:06,080 --> 05:14:10,560
of constituents have come in front of

7599
05:14:07,520 --> 05:14:13,120
the public uh the council and and

7600
05:14:10,560 --> 05:14:15,440
express the concerns for it. Uh I know

7601
05:14:13,120 --> 05:14:19,200
John and I get a vast amount of emails

7602
05:14:15,440 --> 05:14:19,760
for it. It's a livability issue. So

7603
05:14:19,200 --> 05:14:21,440
» I think

7604
05:14:19,760 --> 05:14:24,480
» I have to stand up and be a voice for

7605
05:14:21,440 --> 05:14:27,840
those that have communicated very um

7606
05:14:24,480 --> 05:14:30,160
passionately about the issues that are

7607
05:14:27,840 --> 05:14:31,440
going on in the city. So, and if police

7608
05:14:30,160 --> 05:14:33,280
are not going to be able to respond to

7609
05:14:31,440 --> 05:14:34,320
them, then who's going to be dealing to

7610
05:14:33,280 --> 05:14:38,000
these issues?

7611
05:14:34,320 --> 05:14:38,400
» Chief at most million3 $36,900

7612
05:14:38,000 --> 05:14:39,680
to

7613
05:14:38,400 --> 05:14:41,040
» Code enforcement is not going to

7614
05:14:39,680 --> 05:14:42,638
» Most of the calls that I've received

7615
05:14:41,040 --> 05:14:45,040
since I've been on council have been

7616
05:14:42,638 --> 05:14:47,920
code enforcement related issues.

7617
05:14:45,040 --> 05:14:50,798
» He should put that position on and

7618
05:14:47,920 --> 05:14:52,560
manage it the way he can and then decide

7619
05:14:50,798 --> 05:14:54,958
does he need a lieutenant, does he need

7620
05:14:52,560 --> 05:14:58,160
another sergeant? These are the things

7621
05:14:54,958 --> 05:15:02,240
that he prioritizes. So, you know, we

7622
05:14:58,160 --> 05:15:05,840
we've allotted $4,36,900

7623
05:15:02,240 --> 05:15:09,200
for the police to evolve the next thing

7624
05:15:05,840 --> 05:15:11,040
» And he is now hearing that code

7625
05:15:09,200 --> 05:15:13,120
enforcement is an important piece of

7626
05:15:11,040 --> 05:15:13,760
that and he can make a decision. That's

7627
05:15:13,120 --> 05:15:15,760
his job.

7628
05:15:13,760 --> 05:15:17,360
» Or perhaps I mean the voters can vote on

7629
05:15:15,760 --> 05:15:19,040
that too in November. If that's part of

7630
05:15:17,360 --> 05:15:21,280
a ballot that the council decides to put

7631
05:15:19,040 --> 05:15:23,840
out there, maybe they can those that

7632
05:15:21,280 --> 05:15:26,638
find it um very valuable, then maybe

7633
05:15:23,840 --> 05:15:28,240
their voices could be heard then too.

7634
05:15:26,638 --> 05:15:30,000
That's that would be something that

7635
05:15:28,240 --> 05:15:34,840
would that's not before us and if the

7636
05:15:30,000 --> 05:15:34,840
future brings that then so be it.

7637
05:15:36,798 --> 05:15:41,440
» Are we ready to make final budget?

7638
05:15:38,798 --> 05:15:43,520
» We are. We're there.

7639
05:15:41,440 --> 05:15:45,760
» Numbers in just a second.

7640
05:15:43,520 --> 05:15:47,760
» This is going to be right. We're not

7641
05:15:45,760 --> 05:15:49,760
going to make a motion.

7642
05:15:47,760 --> 05:15:52,480
This is the budget to last the police a

7643
05:15:49,760 --> 05:15:54,638
year. There's no authorization to spend

7644
05:15:52,480 --> 05:15:57,680
beyond the budget. Uh there's no

7645
05:15:54,638 --> 05:16:00,320
authorization to spend at a six-month

7646
05:15:57,680 --> 05:16:01,840
pace. Um we had

7647
05:16:00,320 --> 05:16:03,760
» You can control that. I think this

7648
05:16:01,840 --> 05:16:05,840
» You know what I absolutely can do it

7649
05:16:03,760 --> 05:16:08,160
because let me tell you something.

7650
05:16:05,840 --> 05:16:10,638
Spending beyond your budget is not

7651
05:16:08,160 --> 05:16:12,718
lawful under Oregon law and it subjects

7652
05:16:10,638 --> 05:16:16,718
people to liability.

7653
05:16:12,718 --> 05:16:19,680
And uh they already had we already had

7654
05:16:16,718 --> 05:16:21,200
somebody expend double their budget and

7655
05:16:19,680 --> 05:16:23,760
said I was never told to stay in the

7656
05:16:21,200 --> 05:16:26,000
budget. So, we're we're not going to

7657
05:16:23,760 --> 05:16:28,240
have a situation occur. This is going to

7658
05:16:26,000 --> 05:16:30,638
be a motion for a year budget. It's not

7659
05:16:28,240 --> 05:16:31,440
going to be one department gets a

7660
05:16:30,638 --> 05:16:31,680
six-month budget.

7661
05:16:31,440 --> 05:16:33,040
» Yeah.

7662
05:16:31,680 --> 05:16:34,798
» Can you finish your motion that you

7663
05:16:33,040 --> 05:16:36,958
started? There's a motion.

7664
05:16:34,798 --> 05:16:38,560
» I did make a motion. I was just having

7665
05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:39,600
did not start a motion. I was having a

7666
05:16:38,560 --> 05:16:40,400
discussion.

7667
05:16:39,600 --> 05:16:41,600
» Yeah, there's no motion.

7668
05:16:40,400 --> 05:16:41,760
» Yeah, I didn't make a motion. Thank you,

7669
05:16:41,600 --> 05:16:43,840
though.

7670
05:16:41,760 --> 05:16:45,760
» Appreciate that. Thank you.

7671
05:16:43,840 --> 05:16:47,920
» Yeah, there's no authorization. I want

7672
05:16:45,760 --> 05:16:49,760
to make sure very very clear. There's no

7673
05:16:47,920 --> 05:16:52,560
authorization for police to exceed their

7674
05:16:49,760 --> 05:16:57,560
budget or to to spend at a pace that

7675
05:16:52,560 --> 05:16:57,560
will result in exceeding their budget.

7676
05:16:58,080 --> 05:17:04,638
» Nobody needs to be exceeding their

7677
05:17:00,160 --> 05:17:08,040
» Nobody not to ple nobody. Nobody

7678
05:17:04,638 --> 05:17:08,040
have to be told.

7679
05:17:08,320 --> 05:17:13,600
» So Gloria, you you're putting together

7680
05:17:10,400 --> 05:17:15,440
the 26 27 draft approved budget.

7681
05:17:13,600 --> 05:17:19,400
» Yes. I'll give you a number in just a

7682
05:17:15,440 --> 05:17:19,400
moment. Bet you.

7683
05:17:55,440 --> 05:18:00,080
We want to say it because I should we

7684
05:17:58,080 --> 05:18:01,680
say oh never mind finish what you're

7685
05:18:00,080 --> 05:18:03,200
doing

7686
05:18:01,680 --> 05:18:05,120
still haven't talked about she's adding

7687
05:18:03,200 --> 05:18:07,040
that up what about this future debt this

7688
05:18:05,120 --> 05:18:08,560
25 million

7689
05:18:07,040 --> 05:18:10,480
» This uh

7690
05:18:08,560 --> 05:18:12,000
» That's 12500 for

7691
05:18:10,480 --> 05:18:13,600
» Speaking about the um

7692
05:18:12,000 --> 05:18:16,718
» Capital improvements

7693
05:18:13,600 --> 05:18:17,280
» Our improvements a substation. Is that

7694
05:18:16,718 --> 05:18:20,798
the one?

7695
05:18:17,280 --> 05:18:23,520
» No, no, no, no. Talking about the

7696
05:18:20,798 --> 05:18:25,520
» Res talking about the capital

7697
05:18:23,520 --> 05:18:28,400
improvement projects. We have a sewer

7698
05:18:25,520 --> 05:18:31,120
project.

7699
05:18:28,400 --> 05:18:34,320
» Yeah, we're looking for

7700
05:18:31,120 --> 05:18:36,400
500 and funding for this year. And then

7701
05:18:34,320 --> 05:18:39,680
» Yeah, those are both projects that are

7702
05:18:36,400 --> 05:18:40,480
kind of tied to our ability to building

7703
05:18:39,680 --> 05:18:42,160
permits.

7704
05:18:40,480 --> 05:18:44,878
» I'm I'm with you there on that, John.

7705
05:18:42,160 --> 05:18:45,360
I'm just trying to figure out what's the

7706
05:18:44,878 --> 05:18:46,638
are we

7707
05:18:45,360 --> 05:18:50,798
» Well, they've been funded through

7708
05:18:46,638 --> 05:18:52,798
through charge of service charges

7709
05:18:50,798 --> 05:18:54,480
the the bond there's a bond drawn and

7710
05:18:52,798 --> 05:18:55,840
the bond can't be drawn unless there's a

7711
05:18:54,480 --> 05:18:57,360
revenue.

7712
05:18:55,840 --> 05:18:58,320
» We're approving the funding in this

7713
05:18:57,360 --> 05:19:00,718
meeting.

7714
05:18:58,320 --> 05:19:02,400
» That's police station.

7715
05:19:00,718 --> 05:19:04,480
» Oh, that doesn't I believe that police

7716
05:19:02,400 --> 05:19:06,400
station. the the sewer capacity project

7717
05:19:04,480 --> 05:19:10,080
is going to

7718
05:19:06,400 --> 05:19:13,360
grade basins and six and it's over $20

7719
05:19:10,080 --> 05:19:16,878
million estimated cost and that's going

7720
05:19:13,360 --> 05:19:20,798
to fall on it'll be we're looking to be

7721
05:19:16,878 --> 05:19:22,480
a loan through the state low interest

7722
05:19:20,798 --> 05:19:26,840
loans

7723
05:19:22,480 --> 05:19:26,840
more money from them at 6%

7724
05:19:26,878 --> 05:19:31,600
» It's very big yes

7725
05:19:28,798 --> 05:19:33,840
» Yeah sure is

7726
05:19:31,600 --> 05:19:35,040
» Wait let Let's finish before we do final

7727
05:19:33,840 --> 05:19:36,160
budget because I want to talk about

7728
05:19:35,040 --> 05:19:37,520
these loans.

7729
05:19:36,160 --> 05:19:39,280
» So I think we should talk about it

7730
05:19:37,520 --> 05:19:41,360
before we authorize the bar.

7731
05:19:39,280 --> 05:19:44,798
» Can I ask a question on that? So if you

7732
05:19:41,360 --> 05:19:47,680
draw those fronts to the state um

7733
05:19:44,798 --> 05:19:49,840
» Not it's not contingent on having a

7734
05:19:47,680 --> 05:19:50,798
source of revenue to pay it back.

7735
05:19:49,840 --> 05:19:51,680
» Oh absolutely

7736
05:19:50,798 --> 05:19:52,000
» They do. Yeah.

7737
05:19:51,680 --> 05:19:53,440
» Okay.

7738
05:19:52,000 --> 05:19:54,400
» They assess all of that.

7739
05:19:53,440 --> 05:19:56,000
» Okay.

7740
05:19:54,400 --> 05:19:56,320
» Yeah. Bond ratings, all of it.

7741
05:19:56,000 --> 05:19:57,680
» Yeah.

7742
05:19:56,320 --> 05:20:00,638
» That's what I thought. So this is sort

7743
05:19:57,680 --> 05:20:02,400
of tied to future increases in

7744
05:20:00,638 --> 05:20:04,718
» Utility rates effectively, right?

7745
05:20:02,400 --> 05:20:05,760
» Tied to our rate schedules, adopted rate

7746
05:20:04,718 --> 05:20:07,280
schedules. Yeah.

7747
05:20:05,760 --> 05:20:09,360
» So there there there's where that's how

7748
05:20:07,280 --> 05:20:11,280
the debt is going to be serviced.

7749
05:20:09,360 --> 05:20:13,600
» You're making an assumption.

7750
05:20:11,280 --> 05:20:15,200
» No, these are correct. That's not an

7751
05:20:13,600 --> 05:20:17,280
assumption. That is correct statement.

7752
05:20:15,200 --> 05:20:18,958
» So our increase in our utility rates

7753
05:20:17,280 --> 05:20:20,320
that we've already agreed upon is going

7754
05:20:18,958 --> 05:20:20,480
to fund these loans is what you're

7755
05:20:20,320 --> 05:20:20,798
saying.

7756
05:20:20,480 --> 05:20:22,638
» Correct.

7757
05:20:20,798 --> 05:20:23,520
» And the continued increases that are

7758
05:20:22,638 --> 05:20:23,920
scheduled, right?

7759
05:20:23,520 --> 05:20:25,840
» Yes.

7760
05:20:23,920 --> 05:20:27,920
» All right. How much

7761
05:20:25,840 --> 05:20:30,240
» There's quite a schedule of increases I'

7762
05:20:27,920 --> 05:20:32,160
Yeah, there's a projection to the end of

7763
05:20:30,240 --> 05:20:34,000
the loan term.

7764
05:20:32,160 --> 05:20:37,280
» Yeah.

7765
05:20:34,000 --> 05:20:40,000
» Well, I think we got to borrow the money

7766
05:20:37,280 --> 05:20:41,840
because otherwise

7767
05:20:40,000 --> 05:20:44,480
my understanding is if we have a

7768
05:20:41,840 --> 05:20:47,760
five-year event for a storm, we might

7769
05:20:44,480 --> 05:20:51,760
have sewage running down the road. I

7770
05:20:47,760 --> 05:20:53,840
it's it's a huge expense, but I I think

7771
05:20:51,760 --> 05:20:56,320
you know having a reservoir for water

7772
05:20:53,840 --> 05:20:58,400
and and being able to move sewage

7773
05:20:56,320 --> 05:20:59,520
especially I mean if you you dig in a

7774
05:20:58,400 --> 05:21:00,958
little more and read about it sounds

7775
05:20:59,520 --> 05:21:03,840
like we already have some problems with

7776
05:21:00,958 --> 05:21:06,240
flow of Andy from talking a private

7777
05:21:03,840 --> 05:21:10,080
conversation private I was in his office

7778
05:21:06,240 --> 05:21:12,560
but Mohammed said the rest is absolutely

7779
05:21:10,080 --> 05:21:16,000
critical to continuation of delivering

7780
05:21:12,560 --> 05:21:17,520
water to our to our people that that

7781
05:21:16,000 --> 05:21:19,680
These are critical infrastructure

7782
05:21:17,520 --> 05:21:22,080
projects that had done.

7783
05:21:19,680 --> 05:21:24,000
» Yeah, actually that's that's almost

7784
05:21:22,080 --> 05:21:26,638
exactly where where I stand on it. And

7785
05:21:24,000 --> 05:21:28,080
in fact, my my bigger concern is well,

7786
05:21:26,638 --> 05:21:30,240
we haven't gotten it kicked off and

7787
05:21:28,080 --> 05:21:31,760
going already, but that's a that's not

7788
05:21:30,240 --> 05:21:33,760
necessarily budget issue. We're just

7789
05:21:31,760 --> 05:21:35,600
behind on getting roll.

7790
05:21:33,760 --> 05:21:37,520
» There are a lot of reasons for that in

7791
05:21:35,600 --> 05:21:38,080
budget issues, but we don't have to talk

7792
05:21:37,520 --> 05:21:39,840
about them right now.

7793
05:21:38,080 --> 05:21:42,080
» Yeah, we don't need to go there, but the

7794
05:21:39,840 --> 05:21:43,520
sooner the better to get these upgrades.

7795
05:21:42,080 --> 05:21:45,280
» I think that's this year we're going to

7796
05:21:43,520 --> 05:21:47,680
be moving forward, right? I mean that

7797
05:21:45,280 --> 05:21:49,440
this this is things are things are

7798
05:21:47,680 --> 05:21:50,320
already moving. Projects are moving the

7799
05:21:49,440 --> 05:21:51,840
full financing.

7800
05:21:50,320 --> 05:21:53,120
» I guess I'm poking at the basin one

7801
05:21:51,840 --> 05:21:54,400
because I think it was supposed to get

7802
05:21:53,120 --> 05:21:55,680
started in the last year and it's

7803
05:21:54,400 --> 05:21:57,920
carrying over.

7804
05:21:55,680 --> 05:22:00,320
» Yeah.

7805
05:21:57,920 --> 05:22:01,840
» Okay. So, Gloria, we're I

7806
05:22:00,320 --> 05:22:03,440
» I should also clarify part of the reason

7807
05:22:01,840 --> 05:22:06,440
I want to hurry up and do it is costs

7808
05:22:03,440 --> 05:22:06,440
rise.

7809
05:22:07,760 --> 05:22:15,920
» Okay. So for whoever wants to do the the

7810
05:22:11,680 --> 05:22:19,560
motion to approve the amount is

7811
05:22:15,920 --> 05:22:19,560
99 million472,232.

7812
05:22:23,440 --> 05:22:28,000
» Okay. I make a motion that we

7813
05:22:26,798 --> 05:22:29,600
adopt.

7814
05:22:28,000 --> 05:22:31,520
» No approve.

7815
05:22:29,600 --> 05:22:33,520
» Thank you. Thank you very much. I make a

7816
05:22:31,520 --> 05:22:35,680
mo Thank you. If I trip up along the

7817
05:22:33,520 --> 05:22:38,718
way, catch me before we get a second.

7818
05:22:35,680 --> 05:22:45,320
Actually, before we get a second, I make

7819
05:22:38,718 --> 05:22:45,320
a motion that we approve the 26-27

7820
05:22:48,240 --> 05:22:51,760
CD St.

7821
05:22:49,600 --> 05:22:54,718
draft budget

7822
05:22:51,760 --> 05:22:59,360
as we discussed and amended today during

7823
05:22:54,718 --> 05:23:01,840
this budget committee meeting

7824
05:22:59,360 --> 05:23:05,878
with total

7825
05:23:01,840 --> 05:23:05,878
budget of 99,472,232

7826
05:23:07,520 --> 05:23:13,878
as we discussed and amended during this

7827
05:23:10,160 --> 05:23:13,878
meeting tonight.

7828
05:23:14,958 --> 05:23:17,958
» Okay.

7829
05:23:18,480 --> 05:23:26,520
Oh. Oh, yes. And that this is a

7830
05:23:20,240 --> 05:23:26,520
year-long budget for all departments.

7831
05:23:26,958 --> 05:23:29,958
» Yeah.

7832
05:23:30,080 --> 05:23:33,080
» Second.

7833
05:23:33,680 --> 05:23:37,280
» Nobody wants a second. We better second

7834
05:23:36,240 --> 05:23:38,638
it.

7835
05:23:37,280 --> 05:23:40,878
» Second.

7836
05:23:38,638 --> 05:23:42,638
» Seconded that.

7837
05:23:40,878 --> 05:23:43,280
» No, councelor. I didn't hear you over

7838
05:23:42,638 --> 05:23:45,520
there.

7839
05:23:43,280 --> 05:23:46,798
» I I'll I'll say for discussion, I'm a

7840
05:23:45,520 --> 05:23:48,718
little hesitant. I'm I'm just turning

7841
05:23:46,798 --> 05:23:50,160
over in my mind code enforcement and

7842
05:23:48,718 --> 05:23:53,600
whether there's something else we could

7843
05:23:50,160 --> 05:23:55,520
take away from all that.

7844
05:23:53,600 --> 05:23:57,600
That's where my hesitation was to not

7845
05:23:55,520 --> 05:24:00,600
second.

7846
05:23:57,600 --> 05:24:00,600
» Okay.

7847
05:24:01,920 --> 05:24:05,600
» But is there any other discussion?

7848
05:24:14,000 --> 05:24:18,638
The only idea I have, which is not a

7849
05:24:16,480 --> 05:24:21,360
fantastic one, is if you do move the

7850
05:24:18,638 --> 05:24:22,798
position to public works,

7851
05:24:21,360 --> 05:24:26,440
you could draw the salary out of the

7852
05:24:22,798 --> 05:24:26,440
contingency there.

7853
05:24:26,560 --> 05:24:29,840
They have nearly a million dollars in

7854
05:24:28,240 --> 05:24:32,798
contingency, which is more than what

7855
05:24:29,840 --> 05:24:34,958
we're talking about in the general fund.

7856
05:24:32,798 --> 05:24:36,718
» Yeah. We're about to do a $20 million

7857
05:24:34,958 --> 05:24:38,320
sewage project and you're saying that we

7858
05:24:36,718 --> 05:24:39,600
don't need contingency money there. I'm

7859
05:24:38,320 --> 05:24:40,878
» Not saying we don't need contingency.

7860
05:24:39,600 --> 05:24:43,200
I'm saying if you're going to take

7861
05:24:40,878 --> 05:24:44,718
$85,000

7862
05:24:43,200 --> 05:24:46,080
out of somewhere, I wouldn't take it out

7863
05:24:44,718 --> 05:24:48,480
of the general fund when the general

7864
05:24:46,080 --> 05:24:50,560
fund has less contingency than public

7865
05:24:48,480 --> 05:24:52,638
works.

7866
05:24:50,560 --> 05:24:54,958
» I'm for

7867
05:24:52,638 --> 05:24:56,320
I'm for that she's doing his job.

7868
05:24:54,958 --> 05:24:57,600
» Councelor Suning, how do you feel about

7869
05:24:56,320 --> 05:24:59,120
it? You've been quiet.

7870
05:24:57,600 --> 05:25:00,480
» I think code enforcement is one of those

7871
05:24:59,120 --> 05:25:02,080
things that's not important to you until

7872
05:25:00,480 --> 05:25:03,360
you need it. until somebody parks a

7873
05:25:02,080 --> 05:25:05,280
motor home in front of your house or

7874
05:25:03,360 --> 05:25:07,840
until your neighbors get rats and

7875
05:25:05,280 --> 05:25:09,680
they're all over your yard. Um, I've

7876
05:25:07,840 --> 05:25:12,638
been on ride alongs with Edardo. I think

7877
05:25:09,680 --> 05:25:14,240
what he does is very important. And

7878
05:25:12,638 --> 05:25:16,160
Steve, you've talked a lot about blight

7879
05:25:14,240 --> 05:25:17,040
since I've known you. And

7880
05:25:16,160 --> 05:25:17,440
» Blightes,

7881
05:25:17,040 --> 05:25:18,560
» Huh?

7882
05:25:17,440 --> 05:25:19,840
» Blight.

7883
05:25:18,560 --> 05:25:21,040
» Blight. Oh, yeah. That's true.

7884
05:25:19,840 --> 05:25:21,600
» You said blight a few times.

7885
05:25:21,040 --> 05:25:23,920
» Yeah. Blight.

7886
05:25:21,600 --> 05:25:25,920
» Um, I think code enforcement is a big

7887
05:25:23,920 --> 05:25:28,560
part of that. So I I agree there's only

7888
05:25:25,920 --> 05:25:31,920
so much that he can do, but I think the

7889
05:25:28,560 --> 05:25:33,760
work that he does do is important and

7890
05:25:31,920 --> 05:25:34,000
plays into the livability of this city.

7891
05:25:33,760 --> 05:25:35,840
So

7892
05:25:34,000 --> 05:25:38,000
» So we want to add one headcount to

7893
05:25:35,840 --> 05:25:39,920
Muhammad's department with called quote

7894
05:25:38,000 --> 05:25:41,040
code quote enforcement. End quote. And

7895
05:25:39,920 --> 05:25:42,798
what's that going to

7896
05:25:41,040 --> 05:25:44,400
» Take it out of contingency?

7897
05:25:42,798 --> 05:25:47,760
» Take it out of contingency.

7898
05:25:44,400 --> 05:25:50,760
» So that changes this number,

7899
05:25:47,760 --> 05:25:50,760
» Right?

7900
05:25:50,958 --> 05:25:55,760
This is adding up all the funds to get

7901
05:25:53,040 --> 05:25:57,360
to the grand total.

7902
05:25:55,760 --> 05:25:58,320
» We should we conclude this motion? I

7903
05:25:57,360 --> 05:25:59,680
mean,

7904
05:25:58,320 --> 05:26:00,958
» Yeah, I guess we do have this motion.

7905
05:25:59,680 --> 05:26:02,080
So, we need to we need to go through

7906
05:26:00,958 --> 05:26:03,920
with this idea, though.

7907
05:26:02,080 --> 05:26:05,600
» Well, we're not adding we're not really

7908
05:26:03,920 --> 05:26:07,520
adding anything to the budget because

7909
05:26:05,600 --> 05:26:09,360
we're subtracting from to contingency

7910
05:26:07,520 --> 05:26:10,480
and adding to expense.

7911
05:26:09,360 --> 05:26:14,480
» So, it's two different funds.

7912
05:26:10,480 --> 05:26:18,878
» It's different. So go to page 111 to the

7913
05:26:14,480 --> 05:26:19,280
uh public works operations fund

7914
05:26:18,878 --> 05:26:21,280
and

7915
05:26:19,280 --> 05:26:24,240
» And if you still change the total

7916
05:26:21,280 --> 05:26:26,160
because that physician is laid off

7917
05:26:24,240 --> 05:26:28,400
still changes the total

7918
05:26:26,160 --> 05:26:30,718
» Total spend by

7919
05:26:28,400 --> 05:26:31,840
it goes up.

7920
05:26:30,718 --> 05:26:34,240
» Well

7921
05:26:31,840 --> 05:26:36,958
» So this would be taking

7922
05:26:34,240 --> 05:26:39,600
hire code for the entire second one.

7923
05:26:36,958 --> 05:26:43,760
» So she's recalculating that. Yeah, it'll

7924
05:26:39,600 --> 05:26:45,280
be roughly a a 10% reduction, a little

7925
05:26:43,760 --> 05:26:50,360
less than 10% reduction in the

7926
05:26:45,280 --> 05:26:50,360
contingency at the public works.

7927
05:26:52,160 --> 05:26:56,240
» We're adding a position.

7928
05:26:54,240 --> 05:26:58,320
» That's that's effectively what we're

7929
05:26:56,240 --> 05:27:02,760
doing. Yeah.

7930
05:26:58,320 --> 05:27:02,760
» I mean, we don't have a motion yet.

7931
05:27:03,040 --> 05:27:07,760
» I I am concerned about not having any

7932
05:27:05,520 --> 05:27:10,400
code enforcement. You know, I would I

7933
05:27:07,760 --> 05:27:12,798
would love it if

7934
05:27:10,400 --> 05:27:14,480
» I would love it if the police chief

7935
05:27:12,798 --> 05:27:16,878
would make it a priority, but what I'm

7936
05:27:14,480 --> 05:27:18,878
hearing is it won't be a priority. And I

7937
05:27:16,878 --> 05:27:20,798
think if we put it here,

7938
05:27:18,878 --> 05:27:23,200
» We have maybe a better chance of of

7939
05:27:20,798 --> 05:27:24,558
keeping it around despite the other

7940
05:27:23,200 --> 05:27:26,878
noise and funding difficulties.

7941
05:27:24,558 --> 05:27:30,240
» I think it's a real problem putting a

7942
05:27:26,878 --> 05:27:32,400
law enforcement officer public.

7943
05:27:30,240 --> 05:27:33,120
» It wouldn't be a law enforcement officer

7944
05:27:32,400 --> 05:27:35,680
» Really.

7945
05:27:33,120 --> 05:27:36,638
» They would switch unions, right? Isn't

7946
05:27:35,680 --> 05:27:36,958
he armed?

7947
05:27:36,638 --> 05:27:39,680
» No.

7948
05:27:36,958 --> 05:27:41,520
» No. I don't think so.

7949
05:27:39,680 --> 05:27:42,958
» He's not a ticket. They're not.

7950
05:27:41,520 --> 05:27:44,000
» Yeah.

7951
05:27:42,958 --> 05:27:45,040
» He's not law enforcement.

7952
05:27:44,000 --> 05:27:46,080
» He's not a sworn police.

7953
05:27:45,040 --> 05:27:47,200
» I don't believe so.

7954
05:27:46,080 --> 05:27:49,440
» Yeah.

7955
05:27:47,200 --> 05:27:51,360
» Happens to be with the I think this is

7956
05:27:49,440 --> 05:27:54,400
one of these positions where it doesn't

7957
05:27:51,360 --> 05:27:56,240
exactly fit. It kind of some go.

7958
05:27:54,400 --> 05:27:58,000
» Yeah, that's true though. Some are

7959
05:27:56,240 --> 05:27:58,240
» They could be do bail and stuff like

7960
05:27:58,000 --> 05:27:59,920
that.

7961
05:27:58,240 --> 05:28:04,320
» I was going to say we're going to try

7962
05:27:59,920 --> 05:28:05,760
and run head now to to public works.

7963
05:28:04,320 --> 05:28:09,798
still

7964
05:28:05,760 --> 05:28:09,798
» And we're going to

7965
05:28:10,080 --> 05:28:16,000
budget that. Let me see personnel. What

7966
05:28:13,520 --> 05:28:16,958
are we going to add? 83,000.

7967
05:28:16,000 --> 05:28:20,400
» Yes.

7968
05:28:16,958 --> 05:28:21,600
» Add include everything and everything,

7969
05:28:20,400 --> 05:28:24,718
» Right? So 83,000.

7970
05:28:21,600 --> 05:28:26,958
» Is that at a furoughed level? I got

7971
05:28:24,718 --> 05:28:27,200
» And we're going to take 83,000 six hour

7972
05:28:26,958 --> 05:28:29,440
week.

7973
05:28:27,200 --> 05:28:32,558
» Take 83,000 out of uh

7974
05:28:29,440 --> 05:28:33,680
» No, that's full level. Oh, you're right.

7975
05:28:32,558 --> 05:28:34,558
You're right. You already said it was

7976
05:28:33,680 --> 05:28:38,798
furoughed.

7977
05:28:34,558 --> 05:28:40,080
» It is in the general fund. It is, but

7978
05:28:38,798 --> 05:28:43,958
» Positions aren't furoughed.

7979
05:28:40,080 --> 05:28:43,958
» Oh, they're not. Okay.

7980
05:28:45,760 --> 05:28:51,200
» Deal with that later. As far as minute.

7981
05:28:49,680 --> 05:28:54,958
» It's going to be minute,

7982
05:28:51,200 --> 05:28:57,360
» Right? First, why are they not for

7983
05:28:54,958 --> 05:28:59,840
» They have the funds. They have all the

7984
05:28:57,360 --> 05:29:01,520
gods because we can't legally do that.

7985
05:28:59,840 --> 05:29:03,840
» Let's Yeah, we can't save our streets,

7986
05:29:01,520 --> 05:29:06,320
shall we? And let's let's

7987
05:29:03,840 --> 05:29:08,240
» The difference between all the funds.

7988
05:29:06,320 --> 05:29:08,958
» We've already gutted our public works.

7989
05:29:08,240 --> 05:29:10,798
» It's like all these

7990
05:29:08,958 --> 05:29:12,080
» You want to know why we can sit down and

7991
05:29:10,798 --> 05:29:17,718
talk about why

7992
05:29:12,080 --> 05:29:17,718
» Works but not enough.

7993
05:29:19,360 --> 05:29:26,718
» I need the motion exactly this.

7994
05:29:23,840 --> 05:29:31,120
» Okay. So that's the new number and I

7995
05:29:26,718 --> 05:29:33,440
needed proposed budget appropriations

7996
05:29:31,120 --> 05:29:36,160
» And so I needed

7997
05:29:33,440 --> 05:29:38,638
» And and before that we need a make a

7998
05:29:36,160 --> 05:29:41,760
motion that we add one headcount to the

7999
05:29:38,638 --> 05:29:45,440
public works operations fund of

8000
05:29:41,760 --> 05:29:49,200
personnel services to $83,000

8001
05:29:45,440 --> 05:29:51,200
and we reduce contingency.

8002
05:29:49,200 --> 05:29:53,600
» I'm sorry. We have a previous motion we

8003
05:29:51,200 --> 05:29:56,080
need to clear up. Thank you. Uh there

8004
05:29:53,600 --> 05:29:59,200
was a motion seconded to approve the

8005
05:29:56,080 --> 05:30:01,600
budget. So let's go ahead and vote on

8006
05:29:59,200 --> 05:30:04,480
it. And if we vote it down, then we can

8007
05:30:01,600 --> 05:30:06,718
make this motion. Okay. So all in favor

8008
05:30:04,480 --> 05:30:06,878
say I.

8009
05:30:06,718 --> 05:30:08,798
All

8010
05:30:06,878 --> 05:30:09,760
» Oppose say n.

8011
05:30:08,798 --> 05:30:13,718
» All right. Motion fails.

8012
05:30:09,760 --> 05:30:13,718
» I make a motion that we

8013
05:30:13,920 --> 05:30:22,798
add one headcount to

8014
05:30:17,440 --> 05:30:24,480
works for a code enforcement personnel.

8015
05:30:22,798 --> 05:30:26,400
We add

8016
05:30:24,480 --> 05:30:29,520
$83,000

8017
05:30:26,400 --> 05:30:33,440
to personnel services for the public

8018
05:30:29,520 --> 05:30:36,240
works operations fund and we reduce

8019
05:30:33,440 --> 05:30:38,400
contingency

8020
05:30:36,240 --> 05:30:41,040
fund by

8021
05:30:38,400 --> 05:30:42,080
83,000 in the public works operations

8022
05:30:41,040 --> 05:30:44,320
fund.

8023
05:30:42,080 --> 05:30:46,558
» Reduce the contingency that's within the

8024
05:30:44,320 --> 05:30:47,520
public works operations fund.

8025
05:30:46,558 --> 05:30:49,360
» Thought I said but

8026
05:30:47,520 --> 05:30:51,520
» Reduce reduce the contingency.

8027
05:30:49,360 --> 05:30:53,360
» Reduce the contingency. All right, I'll

8028
05:30:51,520 --> 05:30:55,120
make another motion. One more. Try it

8029
05:30:53,360 --> 05:30:56,000
again. One more time. Here we go.

8030
05:30:55,120 --> 05:30:59,120
» You're going to get it.

8031
05:30:56,000 --> 05:31:01,120
» That we add a personnel to the public

8032
05:30:59,120 --> 05:31:02,638
works

8033
05:31:01,120 --> 05:31:04,638
operations fund. So, they're going to

8034
05:31:02,638 --> 05:31:06,958
gain one headcount for a code

8035
05:31:04,638 --> 05:31:09,200
enforcement personnel.

8036
05:31:06,958 --> 05:31:14,480
Going to add

8037
05:31:09,200 --> 05:31:17,200
$83,000 to personnel services

8038
05:31:14,480 --> 05:31:20,000
to the public works operations fund. And

8039
05:31:17,200 --> 05:31:22,320
we are going to reduce

8040
05:31:20,000 --> 05:31:26,240
the contingency in the public works

8041
05:31:22,320 --> 05:31:29,040
operations fund $83,000 such that the

8042
05:31:26,240 --> 05:31:33,718
contingency in the public works

8043
05:31:29,040 --> 05:31:33,718
operations fund will be $900,485.

8044
05:31:36,400 --> 05:31:39,798
» Second the motion.

8045
05:31:39,840 --> 05:31:44,798
» Great. Any other discussion?

8046
05:31:42,558 --> 05:31:48,760
» Include payroll burden on that number.

8047
05:31:44,798 --> 05:31:48,760
» Yes. Right.

8048
05:31:50,638 --> 05:31:53,760
All in favor say I.

8049
05:31:52,558 --> 05:31:56,760
» I.

8050
05:31:53,760 --> 05:31:56,760
» Opposed.

8051
05:31:57,040 --> 05:32:01,840
Post. Passes.

8052
05:31:58,558 --> 05:32:04,798
» All right. I make a motion to

8053
05:32:01,840 --> 05:32:07,120
move the budget. I move to approve the

8054
05:32:04,798 --> 05:32:10,878
city of St. Helen's

8055
05:32:07,120 --> 05:32:14,878
proposed budget appropriations

8056
05:32:10,878 --> 05:32:16,558
for fiscal year 2026

8057
05:32:14,878 --> 05:32:20,920
2027

8058
05:32:16,558 --> 05:32:20,920
in the amount of 99510,232

8059
05:32:26,958 --> 05:32:33,600
for the budget resolutions and adopt

8060
05:32:30,480 --> 05:32:36,480
adoptions as we discussed this evening.

8061
05:32:33,600 --> 05:32:39,480
And this is the year-long budget for all

8062
05:32:36,480 --> 05:32:39,480
departments.

8063
05:32:40,080 --> 05:32:46,160
» Okay, next motion. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

8064
05:32:42,798 --> 05:32:48,558
» I second the motion.

8065
05:32:46,160 --> 05:32:51,120
» Any discussion?

8066
05:32:48,558 --> 05:32:51,520
» All right. All in favor say I.

8067
05:32:51,120 --> 05:32:53,360
» I.

8068
05:32:51,520 --> 05:32:54,958
» I.

8069
05:32:53,360 --> 05:32:59,120
» All opposed.

8070
05:32:54,958 --> 05:33:04,000
» Me. I'm opposed.

8071
05:32:59,120 --> 05:33:07,440
» Motion passes. I move to approve taxes.

8072
05:33:04,000 --> 05:33:12,240
I move to approve the levy of the city

8073
05:33:07,440 --> 05:33:15,240
of St. Helens full property tax rate of

8074
05:33:12,240 --> 05:33:15,240
$1.90

8075
05:33:18,000 --> 05:33:26,440
per $1,000 of assessed value

8076
05:33:22,878 --> 05:33:26,440
school year 2026-2027.

8077
05:33:28,160 --> 05:33:32,638
» Okay.

8078
05:33:29,920 --> 05:33:36,080
Motion was made by

8079
05:33:32,638 --> 05:33:37,200
Mosski. Uh is there a second?

8080
05:33:36,080 --> 05:33:40,558
» Second.

8081
05:33:37,200 --> 05:33:43,200
» Right. Any discussion?

8082
05:33:40,558 --> 05:33:44,878
All in favor of those say I.

8083
05:33:43,200 --> 05:33:47,360
» I.

8084
05:33:44,878 --> 05:33:49,600
» All oppose say nay.

8085
05:33:47,360 --> 05:33:51,040
» I was I sorry I was sleeping at the

8086
05:33:49,600 --> 05:33:52,638
well. I've been I

8087
05:33:51,040 --> 05:33:53,840
» I'm

8088
05:33:52,638 --> 05:33:57,320
hear the name.

8089
05:33:53,840 --> 05:33:57,320
» There was one day.

8090
05:33:57,920 --> 05:34:01,878
Okay, the motion passes.

8091
05:34:02,160 --> 05:34:06,878
» Thank you.

8092
05:34:04,638 --> 05:34:08,000
» I think we're ready to adjourn unless I

8093
05:34:06,878 --> 05:34:09,520
missed anything.

8094
05:34:08,000 --> 05:34:10,958
» No, I just want to thank all of the

8095
05:34:09,520 --> 05:34:14,000
people that are sitting out here in the

8096
05:34:10,958 --> 05:34:14,480
gallery till 11:25 at night.

8097
05:34:14,000 --> 05:34:17,440
» Thank you.

8098
05:34:14,480 --> 05:34:19,600
» And everybody that has sent emails and

8099
05:34:17,440 --> 05:34:21,920
vocalized our opinion. Also, I think we

8100
05:34:19,600 --> 05:34:24,000
need to mention our staff here, Gloria

8101
05:34:21,920 --> 05:34:26,400
and you know how hard she's worked on it

8102
05:34:24,000 --> 05:34:28,638
and and Jamie and Jennifer and everybody

8103
05:34:26,400 --> 05:34:30,320
that has worked so hard on the budget.

8104
05:34:28,638 --> 05:34:32,558
So,

8105
05:34:30,320 --> 05:34:33,760
» Thank you

8106
05:34:32,558 --> 05:34:35,280
» And thank you for all the public

8107
05:34:33,760 --> 05:34:40,120
comment.

8108
05:34:35,280 --> 05:34:40,120
All right, with that we are adjourned.