1 00:00:05,759 --> 00:00:09,360 Everybody have a chance to take a look 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:09,840 at the minutes. Move to approve. 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,200 » Second. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,880 » Motion. Second to approve. Any 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,320 discussion? 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,799 » All those in favor? 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,840 » I 8 00:00:14,799 --> 00:00:21,480 » Opposed. Motion approved. Approve claims 9 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,480 in the amount of $3,221,76.17. 10 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:29,599 Uh although uh Council Member Marsette 11 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:32,640 is not here, I'll uh answer his question 12 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:35,120 that I'm sure he has. Uh there are two 13 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,040 just over $2 million in debt payments uh 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,239 that are set to be wired to the paying 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:44,079 agent tomorrow. Uh $348,000 16 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:46,800 in milling overlay from the 2627 CIP and 17 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:49,840 approximately $100,000 in payments for 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:52,800 the new exhaust uh in the apparatus bay 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,239 at the fire station. 20 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Move to approve. 21 00:00:54,239 --> 00:00:55,840 » Second. 22 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,120 » Motion second to approve. Any 23 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,680 discussion? All those in favor? I 24 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,600 » Opposed. Motion's approved. Discussion 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,760 of possible action on Bear Drive speed 26 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,400 display sign traffic safety advisory 27 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:11,280 committee. Case 38. They got case 28 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,360 numbers, too. 29 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:17,520 » Hello. Aaron Mcy Anderson, city 30 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:19,840 engineer. So, at the public uh safety 31 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,479 committee, uh they approved a speed 32 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:26,159 display sign coming into town on Bear 33 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:28,479 Drive and so they forward it to finance 34 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:31,680 since we don't have dedicated funds for 35 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:35,920 our traffic safety um kind of committee 36 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:39,280 to distribute. So, we are recommending a 37 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:43,200 solar speed display sign in just the one 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:46,560 direction and we did put up our speed 39 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:49,920 radar and the speed limit is 25 miles an 40 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,159 hour. The 50th percentile speed was 36 41 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,880 miles an hour and the 85th percentile 42 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:57,520 was 40 miles an hour. So, we did 43 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,360 identify that there is a speeding issue. 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,119 Um, technically there was speeding in 45 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,799 both directions, but we figured it 46 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:06,799 didn't make sense to put one leaving 47 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:09,280 town. And so we are looking for 48 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:11,760 approximately $5,000. 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:14,160 And we there's a few options. Um, I 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,280 asked Sam kind of what maybe our options 51 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,360 are. And so we could look at the 2026 52 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,840 public works budget, but we'd have to 53 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,879 likely cut something. We can look at the 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,000 2027 public works budget and add it as a 55 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:31,840 line item. We could dip into our current 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,959 CIP which we can find money I guess 57 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,519 within the bonding for the 2026 2027 58 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:41,120 capital improvement plan or we could do 59 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:42,000 the general fund balance. 60 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,840 » What do you recommend? 61 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,319 » The recommendation would be if we did 62 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,800 out of the CIP I would not recommend 63 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,400 doing that until the end of 27 to make 64 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,879 sure all the projects come in and tie 65 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,319 off and see if there's money left over 66 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:56,480 if that's the direction that we wanted 67 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,640 to go. 68 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,680 I think we need to do this sooner. So, 69 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:03,440 what do you think would be the better 70 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,720 place to take the money? 71 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,879 » Any of those are options. 72 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,800 » Yeah, I think the Go ahead, Sam. 73 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:10,959 » The when staff is trying to come up with 74 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,800 a recommendation, 75 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:15,599 there isn't a whole lot of of money just 76 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:17,200 sitting aside. I think it the um 77 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,879 recommendation would be to likely cut 78 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,800 something else. 79 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:22,159 Um, and the question then to the 80 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:25,280 committee would be what what would you 81 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:27,120 guys recommend the reciprocal cut be? 82 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,640 » Y, 83 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,200 » Is there anything that's coming in under 84 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,680 budget right now? 85 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,200 » No. 86 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,560 » No, 87 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:37,280 » Not that I can think of. It's pretty 88 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,840 tight. You You guys have the finance 89 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,840 report now that Sam's been providing. 90 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,080 Everything's 91 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:49,040 very close. 92 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:52,080 So if I can Mike, you wanna 93 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,560 you might answer all my questions. 94 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,840 » Mike Morz, director of public works. Uh 95 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,599 so what we could do is for the 2026 96 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:03,120 general operating budget for public 97 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:04,959 works this year. There have been several 98 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,720 accidents that have occurred throughout 99 00:04:04,959 --> 00:04:09,200 the community that we've basically 100 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,239 collected those funds back from the 101 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:15,519 people that hit this traffic, you know, 102 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:17,840 signal, hit a street light, uh, so those 103 00:04:15,519 --> 00:04:21,040 revenues are coming into the city that 104 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:23,040 help offset us buying replacement poles 105 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:26,160 or controllers to put back up, so on and 106 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,000 so forth. So, um, that's one place that 107 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,000 Sam, maybe you and I can maybe sit down 108 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,080 and look like what our revenues have 109 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,400 come back in versus what our expenses 110 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,720 have gone out and if there because we do 111 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,360 incorporate some staff time into that 112 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,440 obviously. Um, and that's already in the 113 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,120 operating budget. I mean, so I mean 114 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,440 there are there might be a possibility 115 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,800 that we could look at that and and pay 116 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,840 for it out of the operating budget this 117 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,280 year. So 118 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:52,240 » And and and in the end the other 119 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:54,080 possibility is finding a time where we 120 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,960 take these special projects and realize 121 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:59,199 we can't do them right now. 122 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,240 » Well, that's I mean is it an enforcement 123 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:04,560 issue again where we just is it is that 124 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,479 section of road in the city or in the 125 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,280 county jurisdiction? 126 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:10,240 » It's in the city and I know um Chief 127 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,240 Williams 128 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,000 » He said they put you know they go out 129 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,680 there once in a while. He specifically 130 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,919 said, I think this was when they had 131 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,080 like four officers out there and sure 132 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:21,680 » They do that, you know, and there was 133 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,919 maybe four people pulled over at the 134 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,840 same time because there was like so many 135 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:29,199 people going over the speed limit. So 136 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:31,039 they do the best that they can with 137 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:32,880 their resources. 138 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:34,720 » Well, that that's what I was going to uh 139 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,639 start with. So I looked at the map and 140 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,800 this is this is literally right on the 141 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:42,400 border of of uh coming, you know, 142 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:44,800 welcome to the city. Um, prior to that 143 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,360 25, it's 45, right? 144 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,639 » Yeah. I don't 145 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,759 » No, it's 35. 146 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:52,320 » It goes from 45 to 35 to 25. 147 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,520 » So, you know, and basically like you 148 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,440 mentioned, if they're leaving and going 149 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,360 fast, we kind of say, who cares? We 150 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,000 don't really say that, but we we mutter 151 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,000 that, 152 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,360 » But so then let's flip that concept 153 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,360 around. So they're they're they're 154 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:08,319 coming in from the town going 45 55 and 155 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:10,000 now you know we have to reach in the 156 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,680 wallet or try to find this money for 157 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,919 this thing. I'm not against it. I think 158 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,400 those things have proven to so the the 159 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:18,880 the uh traffic but this is not a 160 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,440 guarantee that now we won't have any 161 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,880 speeders. Um I appreciate you putting 162 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,120 the picture in there and it's not a you 163 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,880 know truly a residential neighborhood. 164 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,160 My fear is that as soon as we have a 165 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,759 couple people say, "Hey, I think there's 166 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:33,520 speeders coming through here." Um, we're 167 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:35,360 then now kind of, well, we'll jam one of 168 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,520 these signs in there and, you know, in 169 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:40,080 every sign. So, I'm not against it and I 170 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:46,520 and I don't want to I wasn't part of the 171 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,520 the uh safety uh public safety, but um 172 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:50,720 it's a it sounds like a not a bad idea, 173 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,400 but we're also saying, "Well, where's 174 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,240 the money?" I mean, it's if we did this 175 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,160 like our own checkbook, we'd say, "Boy, 176 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,800 we'd love to do that maybe next year. We 177 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,479 just can't afford it right now." I don't 178 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,759 that that's kind of what hits me about 179 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:04,000 this. Um, 180 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:06,880 » Yeah. And another thing, we do have bare 181 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,560 drive in the CI the six-year CIP. I 182 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:12,000 don't remember exactly what year we put 183 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:14,080 it for. So hopefully if we redo it, we 184 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,720 can maybe look to change some things to 185 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,639 help with speeding, but 186 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,560 um or include the sign with that 187 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:22,400 project, you know, kind of wrap it in 188 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,280 with that project. So that could be an 189 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:28,880 option, too. But if we were able to put 190 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:35,440 in the sign now and then you were able 191 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:38,319 to design it better when it's um redone, 192 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,400 » We could move that sign. And so I mean 193 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:41,039 the money isn't wasted by buying a sign 194 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:41,440 that 195 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:43,840 » True 196 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:48,479 » Because I mean we got plenty of speeding 197 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:50,639 spots in all over the c the city. Um 198 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:53,039 » But to your point you said and again I I 199 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:56,000 I trust that a lot of work has been done 200 00:07:53,039 --> 00:07:57,520 this. Um the safety committee said we 201 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,360 need that and you guys said sooner than 202 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:02,479 later. Then then where are we going to I 203 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,000 mean I know that you guys were just 204 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:06,000 talking about that but I I don't have an 205 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,440 answer. I don't have 5,000 on me right 206 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:12,400 now. to pay for it. Are we do you feel 207 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:15,520 comfortable with with um underruns from 208 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:17,840 projects that are currently in house or 209 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,520 » Yeah, I mean we did have a good year, 210 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,879 you know, with under bidding, but then 211 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,199 we're kind of pushing the limit for 212 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:25,360 wanting to add, you know, B&M Farms next 213 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:25,759 year basically with that overrun of 214 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,039 fund. 215 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:28,879 » That's true. Yeah. Mhm. 216 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:31,199 » So, 217 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:33,519 » Usually we put enough contingency where 218 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:35,599 I personally would like to see at least 219 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,200 $5,000 left at the end of all the 220 00:08:35,599 --> 00:08:40,000 projects, you know, instead of going 221 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,440 over budget, but 222 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,640 that doesn't mean it who knows what the 223 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,080 bidding will look like next, 224 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,760 » Right? 225 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,959 » The insurance reimbursement is not an 226 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,680 option. 227 00:08:46,959 --> 00:08:50,680 » Oh, we can't use that 228 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:57,000 insurance collect to offset our 229 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,000 expenses. Mhm. Okay. 230 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Okay. 231 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:06,399 » Well, I guess we don't have the money. 232 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:09,279 We don't have the money. 233 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:10,560 » Well, if we were to make a motion, 234 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:13,680 I don't know what the Yeah, I don't know 235 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:15,279 what the answer would be. Um, is this 236 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:16,000 something that we 237 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:19,920 » Yeah. 238 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:21,519 » 2027 priority list? 239 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,560 » Sam, what do you have? What What would 240 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:28,080 you recommend? Anything? 241 00:09:24,560 --> 00:09:30,080 My recommendation would be that 242 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,480 if it were passed that we would likely 243 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:37,519 need to see a cut somewhere. Um 244 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:41,120 or unless it is a recommendation to put 245 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,839 it in 2027's budget, in which case we 246 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:46,399 can we'll be able to fit it in and bring 247 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:49,560 it back to the council with another cut 248 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,560 from staff. 249 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,120 » Another cut from staff. Well, a staff 250 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,000 recommendation as to where to cut that 251 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,720 in the 27 budget. 252 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,480 » Not a staff cut. 253 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,160 » Okay, I apologize. I did not mean that 254 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,120 as a cut to staff either. That 255 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,640 » Sounded pretty ominous. 256 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,360 » Yeah, sorry. I did not mean it like 257 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,120 that. A recommendation from staff as to 258 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,519 where to cut it from the 27 budget. 259 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,880 » Do we have an accident report for there? 260 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,880 » Uh, let's see. What did I 261 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:20,800 » There in the last three years, there has 262 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,640 been one accident related to wildlife 263 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,279 crossing. I don't think it said deer, 264 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,920 but 265 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:28,720 » And the sign would not work on on the 266 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,120 deer, 267 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,000 » Right? Pay attention to that. 268 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,440 » No, but you know, 269 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,760 » Nobody else does. Why should they? 270 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,519 » Right. 271 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,079 » They got the deer crossing signs. They 272 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,560 know where to go. 273 00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:40,560 » I know. They just don't read them. 274 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:43,120 » Um and and again, just trying to be 275 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,880 creative here. What if I mean, could we 276 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,920 approach the town and say, "Can you back 277 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,640 up your or back down your speed limit to 278 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:54,560 25?" because I think the speed probably 279 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:56,720 takes place in that first 100 yards 280 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,839 of you hit that sign, you see 25 and 281 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,279 it's still you still have that 282 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:00,640 straightaway there. 283 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:02,720 » Um 284 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,399 » I don't know. I'd have to ask Jeff maybe 285 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,600 about that, but I don't know where they 286 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:11,440 sit exactly. Yeah. But 287 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:14,320 » I'm going to make the motion that we um 288 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:17,040 send this back to staff to make a 289 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:20,240 recommendation on where we can find the 290 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:23,440 money if possible. and discuss it at our 291 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,040 next finance meeting. 292 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,120 » Yeah, I'll second that 293 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,399 » Motion and second. 294 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:34,399 Any further discussion? 295 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:36,079 I'm just I'm just wondering if 296 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:38,000 don't get me wrong because you know how 297 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:41,200 I feel about speeding and people not 298 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,200 obeying traffic signs and things here in 299 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,200 the city, but 300 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,399 one accident in three years and it's 301 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,320 just a deer. 302 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:53,519 Don't want to minimize what what 303 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,160 happened to that deer, but 304 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:57,600 » But did you read the urgency here? I I 305 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,120 really don't see the urgency. 306 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,920 » Did you read the summary of the con 307 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,640 concern? Um I have photos on my phone of 308 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,480 cars passing in the double yellow 25 309 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,920 mile per hour multiple times in the last 310 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,399 year. So people are they're ignoring the 311 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,839 double yellow. They're they're speeding. 312 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:17,440 And this is this is a a big problem that 313 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:19,760 I mean we're we're lucky that we haven't 314 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,959 had any accidents. I'm surprised that we 315 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:25,120 haven't had any. I drive that that 316 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:27,440 section uh quite a bit because I go up 317 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,320 to Somerset to visit my daughter and 318 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,920 come back that way and um 319 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,200 I don't there's usually not a lot of 320 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,519 traffic there, 321 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,000 » But um 322 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,839 » Well 323 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,760 » I can see where people are would be 324 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:41,440 speeding. Do people typically reduce 325 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,000 speed when they see a sign like that or 326 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,880 is there I mean some people might test 327 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,240 their speedometer to make sure it works. 328 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,839 » I I'm just wondering if the 329 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,040 effectiveness of those signs and if 330 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:53,680 there's any data on the effect 331 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,720 » There has been some data on this the and 332 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:58,800 I I think I mean Jeff can correct me but 333 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,680 I think like stage line where we added 334 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,800 them it has helped quite a bit. It 335 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:06,959 sounds like uh we did that in both 336 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,120 directions on Stageeline Road which had 337 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:12,880 you know maybe a similar I mean that's a 338 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:15,360 higher um speed limit but 339 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:18,160 so there is some effectiveness shown at 340 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:20,880 least temporarily you know when you 341 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,279 cross it. 342 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:27,680 » Mhm. And I'm I'm again I'm not opposed 343 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:29,839 to these tools um that you know are 344 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:32,079 there for safety but also you know 345 00:13:29,839 --> 00:13:34,240 slowing people down. Um again it's not 346 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:36,160 in a residence but I there's nobody I 347 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,079 talked to in the city that one of their 348 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,360 top complaints not that they have a lot 349 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:40,880 but one of the top ones is they're 350 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,720 speeding in my neighborhood 351 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,399 » And that could be a small residential 352 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,760 neighborhood it could be Carmichael. It 353 00:13:44,399 --> 00:13:49,839 could be this area. So my again my fear 354 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,760 is the idea that let's spend five grand, 355 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:53,680 find it from somewhere, put a sign in 356 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,200 there and say there we're done. We fixed 357 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,399 the speeding issue. 358 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,519 » People are still going to cross the 359 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:01,680 yellow line. 360 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:03,680 » Um it is it is a straightaway. I've I've 361 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:06,480 » I've I've been on there and it it is it 362 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:09,680 does feel unnatural to go 25 down there 363 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,399 to be honest with you. Um, 364 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:13,760 and if we did have, you know, this 365 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:16,079 here's this checkbook that's meant for 366 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,320 these safety things and we had a decent 367 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:20,399 balance in, I would be right alongside 368 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,680 you. I just I don't want to I I liked 369 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:25,519 your motion because um rather than just 370 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,519 blindly say, "Let's write the check and 371 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:28,800 we'll figure out how to cash it later." 372 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:32,320 I'd like to know where it's coming from 373 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,160 before we approve anything. So, 374 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,920 » All right. 375 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:39,279 » All those in favor? I I 376 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:41,040 » Opposed. Motion's approved. 377 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:42,560 » Discussion possible. Thanks, Aaron. 378 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,399 Discussion possible action to approve 379 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:48,880 the quote from Jar Roofing Service for 380 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:50,639 repairs at 21101 O'Neal Road. 381 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:54,560 All right. Mike Morz, director of public 382 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:56,240 works. Again, uh we have an issue with 383 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,440 the roof at the new public works 384 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:02,639 facility. Uh unfortunately, it is on the 385 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:06,880 side that we lease to uh Progressive 386 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:10,480 Rail. Uh this leak has been an issue um 387 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:13,760 for the last couple of years. Um we 388 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,480 tried to chase it and brought in Jar to 389 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:19,760 do some sealing of roof penetrations 390 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,440 around rooftop units. Uh they did some 391 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,160 sealing around some of the trim on the 392 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:27,120 the roof edge and continued to have 393 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,800 problems uh on that side with leaks. And 394 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,920 so Caterpillar or Progressive Royal 395 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,920 reached out to me and say, "Hey, what 396 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,320 are you guys doing to fix this?" Right. 397 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,560 Um, so Jar came back, did some 398 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,160 investigative work. Uh, Jar is a company 399 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,320 that we've worked with in the past to do 400 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,399 emergency repairs on some of our other 401 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,480 roofs at the library or our public 402 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,240 workshop up on the north side of town. 403 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,800 And they took took some core sample and 404 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,680 found some wet insulation, um, which is 405 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,399 apparently bad on a flat roof. Um, and 406 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:57,759 so they basically put a quote together. 407 00:15:54,399 --> 00:16:00,480 Uh the total is $17,767 408 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:04,560 to replace that uh section of roof that 409 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:08,560 has become damaged. Um and like I said, 410 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:11,279 that should hopefully uh stop the leak. 411 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:14,639 Um where we're going to pay this from, 412 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:16,480 talk to Sam. Uh we would use the the 413 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:18,720 rental income that we acrew from them 414 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,519 every every month to help offset this 415 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:23,680 expense. and they pay us um 416 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:25,360 approximately $25,000 in rent every 417 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,959 month. 418 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,240 » What is that money designated for 419 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:29,199 though? Isn't it Isn't it already 420 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,720 designated? 421 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:33,199 » That Go ahead, Sam. 422 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:36,560 » Yes. So, we get uh as Mike said about 423 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:38,800 $25,000 a month or about $300,000 a year 424 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,880 from them. Uh that money is in the debt 425 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:45,839 service fund to pay uh the 2024 uh non 426 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,759 or NAN uh debt issuance, which is a 427 00:16:45,839 --> 00:16:50,000 balloon payment at which we pay interest 428 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:52,000 only on that. that interest payment is 429 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,399 approximately $210,000. 430 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,839 » Okay. 431 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:58,000 » For next year. So that leaves us with 87 432 00:16:55,839 --> 00:17:00,560 $87,000 433 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,920 um approximately that uh could be used 434 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,720 for this. 435 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,520 » Okay. I'll make the motion to approve. 436 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,600 » I'll second. 437 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,199 » Motion second to approve. Any further 438 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,720 discussion? 439 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:11,280 All those in favor? 440 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,839 » I 441 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:17,439 » Opposed. Motion's approved. Thanks, 442 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:19,120 Mike. Ordinance 07-26 amending the 443 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:22,439 three-hour parking limit and eight hour 444 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:22,439 parking limit. 445 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,000 » Bren, do you want to take this or do you 446 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,760 want me to? 447 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,240 » I'm sorry. I was busy letting council 448 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,200 member Sarah in. I missed what we're the 449 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,440 point that we're on. 450 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,760 » We're on the last item on the parking 451 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,280 three hour and 8 hour parking. 452 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,960 » Uh, okay. 453 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:43,440 » Yes. So, so this is um uh the the 454 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,000 request was on last meeting's agenda 455 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:49,679 came from the parking utility to allow 456 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,679 for a section of three-hour parking near 457 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:54,320 the it's just across the street from the 458 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:56,640 boat launch um on the let's see that 459 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,039 would be the east side of first right 460 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,080 behind the river city center and this 461 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:04,240 would allow for 25 total spaces to go 462 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,799 from a three-hour parking limit to an 8 463 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,320 hour parking limit. So it take eight 464 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:10,480 spaces that would cycle through every 465 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,880 three hours and convert it to an eight 466 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,600 hour in which permit people would be 467 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,679 able to use and also hourly people would 468 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:20,880 be able to use but it would be an 8 hour 469 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:22,640 maximum parking limit. 470 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:25,360 Think that's it. 471 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:28,960 » So how many employees are they planning 472 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:30,320 expecting to have in that building? 473 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,360 » I think they're already there. 474 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,720 » They are already there. 475 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:34,160 » Yep. 476 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,160 » Yeah. I I don't know the numbers of 477 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,360 employees or anything to that. It was 478 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,960 just the request for 479 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:40,640 » I was told that there are up to 60 480 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,240 employees but most of them are working 481 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,480 remotely. 482 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:48,919 I don't know how accurate that is, but 483 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,919 » So, how many 484 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,240 So, the reason that they want 8 hour 485 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:58,080 parking in that area is so that even 486 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:02,320 those who would not buy a monthly permit 487 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:05,679 would be able to park there for their 488 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:09,760 full day of work. 489 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:12,640 Um, I mean, do they need all 25 spaces? 490 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,640 I 491 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,960 I I don't know the answer to that. Did 492 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,640 you Did I I I wanted to clarify 493 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,160 something. I I thought I heard you say 494 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,760 that they were going to take eight 495 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,480 stalls. 496 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,480 » Eight stalls. 497 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,600 » No. Uh it's the 25. 498 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,400 » Okay. Yeah, 499 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:29,360 » It's all 25. 500 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,880 » Heard that. 501 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:35,280 » So, um 502 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,240 » To go to eight. I don't know that they I 503 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,280 they're not I don't I don't think it 504 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,880 would be accurate to say that they're 505 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,400 going to take all 25, but at the same 506 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,280 time, it's not accurate to say they 507 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,880 wouldn't. Depends upon who's there. You 508 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,480 know, 509 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,880 they they have staff meetings every now 510 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,320 and then, bring them all in. 511 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:56,559 » Okay. Because I noticed that there are 512 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:59,440 some spaces on that side of the building 513 00:19:56,559 --> 00:20:02,240 » In their parking lot. So I went down 514 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:05,120 there this this afternoon to look at 515 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:08,320 everything and and most of those spaces 516 00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:11,679 were empty. So I don't you know All 517 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:16,880 right. So what is the impact 518 00:20:11,679 --> 00:20:18,960 on the for are those spaces used a lot? 519 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,559 Has there been any 520 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,520 information gathered on how how much 521 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:26,640 usage those spots get during the day? I 522 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,760 mean it's it's only going to be during 523 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,720 the day that they're going to be using 524 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,480 them. Correct. 525 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,840 » I I think they're used quite a bit 526 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,240 during the summer. 527 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,320 » Oh. 528 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:37,520 » Uh during the boating season 529 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,200 » As guests that are going out with people 530 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,320 » Uh that are launching with people at the 531 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,200 at the boat launch. 532 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,320 » Okay. So 533 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,400 » They're going to get there early in the 534 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,000 morning maybe. Yeah. But they're they're 535 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,360 used quite a bit during during the 536 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,640 summertime. I'm not sure. 537 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,120 » Before Sar went in there. 538 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960 » What's that? 539 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,600 » That's before Saranda went in there. 540 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,400 » Yes. 541 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,000 » That's also weekend parking. I I too, 542 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:58,799 you know, I know that little area and it 543 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,120 it is probably our least popular parking 544 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:03,360 spot, you know, as far it's probably the 545 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:06,480 furthest from any restaurant or bar or 546 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:08,080 store. Um, 547 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,840 and I do like the way that this is set 548 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,000 up. It's a creative way to like 549 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,280 especially if we raise our per our 550 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,880 permit prices. We're guaranteeing what 551 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:21,679 25,000 excuse me $2500 552 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,039 for the employees. But still if if if 553 00:21:21,679 --> 00:21:25,039 they're not being used, someone could 554 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:27,120 park there for one hour or four hours or 555 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,960 whatever. So we could almost we could 556 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:32,240 almost double dip, if you will, 557 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:34,320 » If the employees buy a pass or a permit 558 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,559 » And then someone wants to park there and 559 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:40,159 go to the the beach or whatever or 560 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:43,039 whatever they want to do. um 561 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:44,640 it would be a way to to like gu like I 562 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:47,840 said guarantee that payment but it's 563 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:50,400 also it's not reserve parking for them 564 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:52,400 and um I do see the church down there on 565 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,240 the weekends they people use that but 566 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,080 this wouldn't be this is a Monday 567 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,600 through Friday thing for the permit 568 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,159 right 569 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:02,240 » Yeah well this should be used I would 570 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:03,600 expect that a a business like Saranda 571 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,960 would only be using it Monday through 572 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,120 Friday regular business 573 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,320 » Hours if the employee or somebody does 574 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,720 have 575 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,080 a pass that's year round that they can 576 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,720 they can park there on a Saturday if 577 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,280 they wish to. 578 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,840 » Sure. 579 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,840 » Are there any concerns about this? 580 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,880 » So, here's here's my concern. This is 581 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:26,159 why originally I wanted to postpone this 582 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:29,280 to look at the uh agreement that we had, 583 00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:33,440 development agreement there, and that's 584 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:36,880 » It's kind of vague in relative to what 585 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:39,120 my concern was. So, it's a horse piece 586 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,640 really. Um, and that having to do with 587 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:45,039 the 5% tradeoff in consideration for the 588 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:49,039 uh the developer getting 5% additional 589 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:51,280 on tiff revenue uh increment as a 590 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,039 trade-off for the 25 parking spots. 591 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,960 Okay. And then all of a sudden the 25 592 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:57,919 parking spots ended up end up being 593 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:02,480 perhaps going exclusive not exclusively 594 00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:04,559 but a big chunk of them to a tenant 595 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,880 of the developer. So that was my 596 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:09,520 original concern. The language is vague, 597 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:12,240 so I'm not going to argue that point. 598 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,400 Uh, but 599 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,440 I think that I think the bigger issue 600 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:19,520 for me right now, and I'm not I'm not 601 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,400 wedded to this one way or another. I see 602 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,559 both sides. But I think a bigger concern 603 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,880 right now, we're going through a lot of 604 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:28,960 discussion about parking. And we're 605 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,240 going to have more coming up here very 606 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:33,280 soon. 607 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,880 And what if any business were to do 608 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,760 this? 609 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,240 I mean, if I saw council passing this 610 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,919 and I had employees down here, I 611 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,080 employed a lot of people. I'd say, 612 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:44,640 "Yeah, I want in on that." 613 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,200 » Mhm. 614 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,200 » Uh, you know, if we have public parking, 615 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,760 which is what this is, it's city-owned 616 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,600 public parking. What about other public 617 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,360 parking spaces? What about over here? 618 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,520 you know, turn that into 18 permit 619 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,440 parking for or eight hour rather permit 620 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,120 parking for anybody that wants to come 621 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,720 in because they've got a business that 622 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,600 they might relocate or they move 623 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,720 downtown or they've been downtown, they 624 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,159 need additional parking or 625 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,400 they're expanding and they want 626 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:14,480 additional parking. So, I'm worried 627 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,240 about the precedent that we're setting. 628 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,640 And 629 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,039 so, that's my biggest concern. 630 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,799 » So, we excuse me. You know, here here's 631 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:27,039 something you're going to hear me say 632 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:29,279 probably a lot in the next few weeks for 633 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:32,080 sure. 634 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:34,880 We we didn't used to have a parking 635 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,039 problem downtown, right? Which is why we 636 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,120 developed a system where we had payment 637 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:40,960 in lie of we wanted to encourage people 638 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:43,279 to come downtown. We wanted to encourage 639 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,200 businesses to come downtown. We didn't 640 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:49,039 have very many restaurants downtown. We 641 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,200 just had a handful and uh so parking was 642 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:53,440 not an issue. All of a sudden, Hudson 643 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,600 became very popular place to be. We got 644 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,159 a lot more restaurants downtown. Every 645 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:02,000 single one of them got a parking or a 646 00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:03,360 payment in lie of deal. We got no 647 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,799 additional parking and then of course we 648 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:09,520 were inundated with complaints about 649 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:13,440 parking downtown for years. Okay, that 650 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,240 was resolved in my opinion when uh Mike 651 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,039 and and their crew uh came in with a 652 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,080 recommendation to change the system 653 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:24,080 » To enforce until 8:00 to go with the 654 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,200 threeh hour to the enforcement until 8 655 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,400 with three-hour which encouraged 656 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:32,480 promoted um turnover churn downtown 657 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,480 which was huge the additional 300 658 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,320 parking spaces that were then metered 659 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520 and we haven't had a single complaint. I 660 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,039 haven't personally had a single 661 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,240 complaint about parking downtown other 662 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,799 than people that are getting tickets 663 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,440 that don't think they should uh or don't 664 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,440 want to pay them, but we're going to 665 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,880 start seeing parking complaints downtown 666 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,520 again here pretty soon. 667 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,400 » Mhm. 668 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,919 » And and that concerns me because we've 669 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,840 got nowhere to go and we don't have any 670 00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:59,600 money to do anything about it. You know, 671 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,840 we've got when we tore down the fire 672 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,520 station over here and created the 673 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,120 additional parking spaces, we were 674 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,120 thinking in the back of our minds, we 675 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,559 didn't want to put a a ramp up there. I 676 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:11,039 don't think anybody was in favor of a 677 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:13,039 ramp downtown here, but we were talking 678 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:15,600 talking about putting a deck over that 679 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:17,840 potentially if we needed additional 680 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,440 space. We may need that and it's still 681 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,440 an option, but we don't have any money 682 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,520 for that. 683 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,360 So 684 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,240 those are three-hour spots right now, 685 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,360 correct? 686 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,600 » Three or four? Yeah. 687 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:32,480 » Three. Three. Three. Three. Okay. 688 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,760 » And so if an employee 689 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,400 » When you say those, you're talking about 690 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,440 the 25 691 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,720 » The 25 spots. Yeah. 692 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,039 » Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 693 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,960 » So, 694 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:43,600 all right. So, and you said that they've 695 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,120 already moved in there. So, an employee, 696 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,039 they should be able to park in those 697 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,679 spots that 698 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:53,600 are in the parking lot that if they need 699 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:55,360 to be there for for eight hours because 700 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,440 those spots are available, they can park 701 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:00,000 on the other side of the building also. 702 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,559 I mean, it's the parking is in that 703 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,559 parking lot is for the tenants of that 704 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,159 building and the customers of that 705 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:10,480 building. 706 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:13,600 So I I guess my question is what are the 707 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:17,039 um the options that somebody an employee 708 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:20,080 has right now without these 25 spots 709 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:22,159 available for permit parking. 710 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,760 » Well, 711 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:25,200 they can go on the street. I mean, 712 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,279 pretty much any option they've got is 713 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,000 like three-hour parking somewhere uh 714 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,400 » Or four hours up in the uh the lot. 715 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,120 Yeah. 716 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,520 » Yeah. 717 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,559 » Well, or they could also purchase a work 718 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:38,640 permit, right? And we have we already 719 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:40,000 have areas designated 720 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,880 » Or 721 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:44,559 » Right. So to me this is I mean I know a 722 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,799 particular 723 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:49,360 » Uh Saranda I know that it sounds like 724 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:52,159 they started this request but again it's 725 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:56,000 not reserved for just them. Does this 726 00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:59,520 benefit I mean I like having businesses 727 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:02,000 you know um because they were up by 728 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,120 Wells Fargo, weren't they? 729 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,679 » Yeah they were on the other side of 730 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,080 Vine. 731 00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,200 » Yeah. 732 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,679 » Yeah. 733 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,200 So, they stayed here and maybe again 734 00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:11,120 they started the request, but it's 735 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,520 they're not saying make this a private 736 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:16,080 area. That's just basically does it make 737 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,080 sense to expand as we have more people 738 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:21,440 working downtown. This is probably not a 739 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:23,200 crazy request to be made. 740 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,080 And again, I think they're basically 741 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,480 saying, can we can we buy permits? And 742 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,240 it's next to their front door, right? 743 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,279 But if I want to go down there and park 744 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,720 on a Tuesday at 10 in the morning, I I'm 745 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,080 not really taking one of their spots. 746 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:40,880 I'm now we're just down we're having the 747 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,760 benefit of of um being able to get those 748 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,840 permits. So um 749 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:49,520 » But during the summer if if you wanted 750 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:51,760 to park there and and um go out on your 751 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,480 boat, then you could park for a full 752 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,039 eight hours and go on your boat 753 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:00,480 » And that could tie up spots that are 754 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:02,720 needed. So, I I'm uncomfortable with 755 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,799 this. 756 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,080 » So, like I said, I'm not wetted one way 757 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:08,320 or another. I just wanted to bring that 758 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,279 up as an issue when you asked what what 759 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,760 what might be the concerns. 760 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:16,080 » That to me is the biggest concern. To 761 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,000 your point, Mike, you know, I originally 762 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,440 the first pass on this, I thought it was 763 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:23,600 I didn't realize it was going to be 764 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,840 open to everybody, anybody, you know, 765 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,360 first come, first serve. 766 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,880 And uh there are some other 767 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,799 considerations. I get it. I you know, 768 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,679 and Saranda is a great employer. They've 769 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:35,279 been good to the city and uh and and we 770 00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:41,840 we want them here in the city. There's 771 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:44,000 no doubt about it. Um I just uh 772 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,080 I don't know. I don't know. I'm very 773 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,520 very concerned for the future down here 774 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,520 with parking. Well, they can buy a 775 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:54,080 permit for over here and walk to Saranda 776 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,919 from there if they really wanted a 777 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,159 wanted permit parking. 778 00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:01,279 » Well, one of the things that we do need 779 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:04,159 to do is probably another parking study. 780 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:05,919 Um the parking committee does have some 781 00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:08,799 funds that we could put toward another 782 00:30:05,919 --> 00:30:11,760 parking study for all of downtown. 783 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:14,720 Um they just you know I think their pool 784 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,840 they have I want to say it's almost 400 785 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,679 in that pool. Parking study might 786 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,120 disappear. I'm guessing a parking study 787 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:24,720 is going to be probably 30 or 40 for a 788 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,320 decent parking study of our current 789 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,679 conditions. 790 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880 » So it's something to think about as 791 00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,640 well. It's something that we probably 792 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,559 should start to plan for and it would 793 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,200 come out of those funds for the parking 794 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:35,919 committee. 795 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,760 » When did we put in this system? 796 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,080 » 2019. 797 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Okay. 798 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,960 » Yeah. Right. Right before CO is when I 799 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,000 » So, it's been almost 10 years. I mean, 800 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,480 it's been seven. 801 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,799 » Seven. 802 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,799 » So, so it's been 10 years since the last 803 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,200 at least 10 years since the last parking 804 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,480 study. 805 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,600 » Well, and it seems like you've changed 806 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,799 quite a bit downtown. 807 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,799 » Yes, there's there's been a lot of 808 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,039 changes in the 10 years. Yeah, I think 809 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:55,840 that 810 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,200 » Now we have 811 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,960 » I think that's a good idea to start 812 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,000 thinking about. 813 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,080 » Max socials coming in. 814 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,360 » Yeah, Max's social. That's going to take 815 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,760 parking and then 816 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,840 » Potentially 817 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,840 » The visitors to the apartment complex 818 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440 that's going in. We've got a lot of 819 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,240 there's going to be a lot of pressure on 820 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640 the parking 821 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,760 » Plus the redesign of the park, right? 822 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080 Adding all the 823 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,840 » What I I think I I like the idea of a 824 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,000 parking study and and I also want to 825 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,960 couple that with the whole payment in 826 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,440 lie of 827 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,240 » Yes. 828 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640 » Yes. 829 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960 » We we need to address that. 830 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,279 » Yes. 831 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,000 » That I don't think that that is I don't 832 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,600 think it works for us anymore. Like I 833 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,840 said, it was great at first for an 834 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,799 incentive to to bring businesses 835 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,399 downtown. Uh I I just don't think it's 836 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,320 working for us anymore. And I'd like to 837 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:44,480 know, frankly, how much money we've 838 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,760 collected over the years for payment in 839 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,000 lie of 840 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,000 » And where it is. 841 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200 » Is everybody up to date on paying us? 842 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,600 It's supposed to they can take up to 843 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,039 what 8 to 10 years to pay it. 844 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,720 » Which one? 8 10 845 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,600 » Uh depending upon the amount. 846 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,600 » Uh it it it changes up to eight years if 847 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,760 it's uh over 7500. 848 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,799 » So it's a onetime payment. 849 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,399 » It could be but they 850 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:08,799 » One time payment they have it they can 851 00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:10,159 pay it over a period of eight eight 852 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,399 years but it's one time. 853 00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:12,399 » Okay. 854 00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:14,720 » Um so it's not it's just Yeah. 855 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:15,440 » It's one amount I should say paid over a 856 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,120 period of eight years. 857 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,320 » No I think that's a that's a policy that 858 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640 we should be revisiting. 859 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,559 » Absolutely. So maybe a study to look at 860 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,440 that, look at our ordinance as it sits, 861 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:28,960 and then make recommendations back. 862 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,399 » I'm going to make the motion that we um 863 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,320 wait to make a decision on something 864 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:36,320 like this until we've discussed the 865 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:39,440 payment in L and we also um discuss a 866 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,440 parking study. 867 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,279 » I don't I don't want to Well, 868 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,279 » There what do you go toward a moratorum? 869 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,039 » No, because it's not zoning. 870 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,240 » Because it's what? This isn't zoning 871 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:53,600 related. 872 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:56,080 » Parking the ordinance is part of zoning. 873 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,080 » Well, but a moratorum on on what 874 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,080 exactly? 875 00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:03,200 » Yeah, there's some decisions to make, 876 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,080 but Okay. 877 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,320 » I'm I'm going to throw out before we get 878 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,080 » Too far down there. Um I know we talked 879 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,640 about in the summer and boating and and 880 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,559 what and people coming down here. We're 881 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,000 also getting to our point in the season 882 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:18,880 where it's going to be a lot quieter 883 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,080 down there. Um, whenever it's under 50 884 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,919 degrees, there's not a lot of people 885 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:25,760 strolling along the uh park. Um, 886 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,519 and also across the street, Mike's going 887 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,440 to love when I say this, but you know, 888 00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,960 we do have that boat launch that gets 889 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,679 very little traffic in the winter. There 890 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,080 might be a boat or two the in January if 891 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:38,000 if the thaws, but that's a lot of real 892 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,760 estate that's just sitting there that 893 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:45,440 could maybe be a seasonal permittable 894 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:47,760 part, you know, a work permit spot. Um, 895 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:50,960 again, it it would bring in I know we'd 896 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,640 have to maintain a little bit more. Um, 897 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960 but 898 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,279 again, I'm just I'm thinking that we're 899 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,600 all thinking Saturday, Fourth of July, 900 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,440 you can't find a parking spot in town. 901 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,080 But for the next 6 months, I think those 902 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,279 25 spots are going to be empty and the 903 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,679 and the boat launch is going to be 904 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,839 empty. So 905 00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:12,639 again, to throw it out there, if if we 906 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:13,280 could look at this as a six-month 907 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,280 um 908 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,960 » What are the restrictions on the boat 909 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:21,960 boat ramp parking lot for the during the 910 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,960 winter? 911 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,800 » I say during the summer, I know during 912 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,079 the winter there really are none. Um so 913 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:33,919 from May 1st to September 30th we have 914 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:36,000 stipulated that only boat or u vehicle 915 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:37,280 and trailer can park in the lot. Outside 916 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,240 of that there's really nothing in the 917 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,119 ordinances that dictate anything. 918 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:42,800 » So it's 919 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,560 » Yeah right now we don't we don't plow it 920 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,000 in the winter time. We do we do run a 921 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,000 truck through it just to make a pass. A 922 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,679 lot of the guys use to use the rest of 923 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,119 them at Buckeye Garage but that's no 924 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,560 longer there. So, it'd be one of those 925 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,000 things where we would have to add some 926 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,839 type of maintenance in the winter time, 927 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,880 but really no restrictions right now. 928 00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:00,560 » Yeah. So, and we don't 929 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,440 pile snow there anymore. 930 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:05,359 » We don't pile snow there anymore. Nope. 931 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,800 » And the docks don't come out. 932 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:11,800 » Don't come out. Stay. 933 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,800 » Okay. 934 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,920 » So, 935 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:20,480 you said through September 30th. So, 936 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,400 starting in another week, they they 937 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,040 could park there as long as there isn't 938 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,720 any snow there. 939 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,480 And there's is there's no um fees for 940 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,960 parking in there during that time 941 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,760 period. 942 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,640 » Park there if there's snow. 943 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000 » Okay. 944 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,320 » Well, I think we could add it to our 945 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,200 zone. 946 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:45,599 So, we could collect the dollar an hour 947 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:47,359 or 50 cent an hour, whatever we do. 948 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,640 Again, I don't I know I kind of hijacked 949 00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,920 this topic and kind of moving it to 950 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,040 that. So, I wanna 951 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,720 » Well, nobody seconded my motion, so um 952 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,400 we're 953 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,760 » Well, yeah, it sounds like we're not we 954 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,320 don't have this thing wrapped up with a 955 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,079 bulbe. Um so, then 956 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,880 » But is the is the is your motion that we 957 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,800 do a study and this is a prolonged 958 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,280 » I I just saw this thing lasting 959 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,599 » Back to the parking commission, right? 960 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000 Well, 961 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:18,000 » I don't know who control I mean the end 962 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,359 control comes here for that those funds. 963 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,960 » I'm looking at 964 00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:23,839 » Well, I mean what's what's interesting 965 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,839 about this one is that 966 00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:28,000 » They recommend to this committee. 967 00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:30,079 » Well, but but sir Saranda is in a 968 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,720 building that has a large parking lot. 969 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,040 » Yes. 970 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,720 » Right. And and so you know ordinarily 971 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,079 you would 972 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:40,880 » You would think that the direction would 973 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:43,920 be park your vehicles in your parking 974 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,480 lot and you know I think the the request 975 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,560 is based largely on the parking lot is 976 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,200 on the opposite side of the building and 977 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,400 they're looking for some space on the 978 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680 I'm not going to say the rear side of 979 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,040 the building the other front of the 980 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,359 building. Um 981 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,839 » River side's good. the Riverside and and 982 00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:01,760 so, you know, understand that there are 983 00:36:59,839 --> 00:37:04,000 lots of issues and and as the mayor 984 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,920 mentioned, we are dealing with a lot a 985 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,839 lot of issues right now currently and a 986 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,880 lot that are that are coming down the 987 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:13,280 road. But, you know, do you want to deal 988 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:17,200 with this one first in which they have a 989 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,119 specific request related to having some 990 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,520 parking access on the river side of the 991 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:23,839 building or do you want to wait and go 992 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,640 through the parking study process before 993 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:28,000 you act on this particular request? You 994 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,599 have a request in front of you. The 995 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,079 question really is what do you what do 996 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,320 you want to do with it and how do you 997 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,680 want to proceed before you make a 998 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,599 decision or do you need to do anything 999 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,960 more before you make a decision on this 1000 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:41,200 particular request? How long does the 1001 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,839 parking study take, 1002 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,160 » Mike? Do you remember how long? 1003 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:47,280 » Probably gonna take minimum four months 1004 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,920 if it's hurried 1005 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,079 » At least. 1006 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,640 » Yeah, if it's hurried. But six months 1007 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,640 probably. 1008 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,720 » Well, and of course they're not they're 1009 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,000 not would we need to capture summer 1010 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,680 numbers and everything too? Would we 1011 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480 have to go through a 1012 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,240 » Yeah. 1013 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,400 » Yeah. 1014 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:05,040 » It would be it'd be more expedited this 1015 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,880 time because we have all that data now 1016 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,720 with our new system, right? 1017 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,680 » Oh, true. the previous the previous 1018 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,680 system we were looking at okay let's 1019 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,800 look at inventory let's look at churn 1020 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,560 let's look at 1021 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,960 » You know what is the bar you know best 1022 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,280 possible options for you know paid 1023 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,680 parking moving forward and this is what 1024 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,640 the city arrived at is our current 1025 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,560 scenario 1026 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,880 » Which has worked really really well we 1027 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,960 have created turnover 1028 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,960 um you know we don't have long-term 1029 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,960 parkers and spots that should be for 1030 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:39,119 patrons of different establishments or 1031 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:41,839 customers um So we would have a lot of 1032 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:43,680 the data. Oh, and the old study in 2017 1033 00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:46,000 also included 1034 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,680 um looking at, you know, parking 1035 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,200 structures, things like that. You know, 1036 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,119 what would our options be? What would 1037 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,040 that look like from a cost standpoint? 1038 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,160 You know, tens of millions of dollars, 1039 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,599 you know, what is your long-term 1040 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,079 maintenance on those facilities look 1041 00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:02,079 like, which is a lot. Um, so this one, I 1042 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,000 think, be done quite a bit quicker, but 1043 00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:06,160 you'd have the RFP process to begin 1044 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,359 with, right? So you'd have to go through 1045 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,440 that. The I'm assuming the the 1046 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,960 commission would then forward on a 1047 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,160 recommendation for a preferred vendor 1048 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,240 with a cost estimate and then I would 1049 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,560 say 1050 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,680 from there 1051 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640 » So that's going to take several months 1052 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000 just right there. 1053 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,200 » Yes. 1054 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,440 Um, I would really like to see more 1055 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:30,079 information from Saranda on how many 1056 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,839 people are 1057 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:36,400 are in their offices 1058 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:39,760 each week or you know each day so that 1059 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:42,079 we know what the real need is because I 1060 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:47,359 mean we don't have any data from them on 1061 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:49,520 what they what they really need 1062 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:52,079 and is this just because they want the 1063 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:56,400 convenience of parking on the same side 1064 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:59,920 of the building as their door or 1065 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,280 um is is are the is the parking lot on 1066 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,520 the other side of the building full all 1067 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,520 the time? 1068 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,800 » So, I'd like to I'd like to get more 1069 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,720 information from Saranda. 1070 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,800 » River City C Center's parking when that 1071 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,960 project was approved is maxed out, 1072 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,359 right? So they're required to provide a 1073 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,240 certain number of parking spots for the 1074 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:20,560 redevelopment of that project back 2018 1075 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,520 certain 201819 1076 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520 » Right 1077 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,560 » So they don't have any extra spaces to 1078 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,160 spare now the Saranda space or proposed 1079 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,880 Saranda space or the space of the 1080 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,320 already 1081 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:37,119 » Is part of that calculation right okay 1082 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:39,760 » So um this is in addition to that 1083 00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:41,920 um the one and I don't know if it's been 1084 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,560 you know stated yet. But you know the 1085 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,560 one thing and the question is is you 1086 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:49,520 know how far are people willing to you 1087 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,400 know walk or you know travel to get to 1088 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,000 their place of business. We don't have a 1089 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,440 permit parking lot in the south end of 1090 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,319 town. 1091 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,400 » That's true. 1092 00:40:56,319 --> 00:41:00,000 » Right in the very south south side. So 1093 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,760 the closest option they would have would 1094 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:05,359 be likely Williams. 1095 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,520 So, 1096 00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:09,839 » I' I'd like to see them make the case 1097 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,480 for us that they really have a need for 1098 00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:14,880 this for these park the parking. I mean, 1099 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,880 they made the request, but they I don't 1100 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,960 think that they've sold the concept to 1101 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,480 us. 1102 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,200 So, 1103 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,839 um I think that would be a minimum next 1104 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,560 step 1105 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:31,560 is to get data on what their real needs 1106 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,560 are. 1107 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,880 Go on, just to be devil's advocate, what 1108 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,640 who's then going to look at all the 1109 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,160 charts and numbers and say, "Ah, now 1110 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,119 they do need it or now they don't." I 1111 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,560 mean, 1112 00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,720 » They're obviously going to say, "We we'd 1113 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,920 like that for our employees, right?" 1114 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,960 » And the city's going to say, "Well, I 1115 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,720 don't know if we want to spare that 1116 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,240 eight hour." So, 1117 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,720 » I don't disagree. We're kind of working 1118 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,720 blind, but again, they made the request, 1119 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:57,520 » But it's basically the city to make that 1120 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:59,440 available for eight hours regardless of 1121 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,760 who made the request. It's because 1122 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,880 again, anyone can park there even during 1123 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,880 business hours. 1124 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,319 » Uh it's not private. So, um I'm okay 1125 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,880 with, you know, if we're waiting for 1126 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:12,800 more information, but um I don't know if 1127 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,040 that's going to shine a light on on a on 1128 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,560 the answer yes or no on this. 1129 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,800 » So, does does 1130 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:25,040 I I'm hearing all this and I I I'm not 1131 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,960 disagreeing with anything I've heard. Um 1132 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:30,720 does uh coming into this part of the 1133 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:33,280 season, boating is pretty much done. Uh 1134 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:35,359 things slow down down there. Is it does 1135 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,079 the ordinance allow us to do a prora 1136 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:40,160 six-mon thing until allow for the 1137 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:42,079 parking there, permit parking until the 1138 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,720 boat launch opens again? 1139 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,960 » Could I mean I think he's looking now, 1140 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:48,400 but you could probably assign a just a 1141 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,520 six months to it. 1142 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,440 » That's kind of 1143 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,520 » With this. Yeah. With an end date. 1144 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,280 » Yeah. 1145 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,079 allow us to complete a study, too. 1146 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,280 » Yeah. And I want 1147 00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:02,000 » That's what I'm thinking. It gives us 1148 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:03,680 room then to to get a study in. Uh 1149 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,280 » Is any thought on that, Mike? 1150 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,800 » No, I I just want to say I remember 1151 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,119 Brent, correct me if I'm wrong. I want 1152 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,880 to say at the parking commission two 1153 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:17,520 meetings ago, they said it was 30ish 1154 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,720 permits that they would be coming in for 1155 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,160 and they would not all be utilized. 1156 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:25,440 They're they're going to request 30 1157 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,240 permits for 25 spots, 1158 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,960 » Right? Well, we we allow we applications 1159 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,319 for 1160 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,599 » I didn't know how many per I didn't know 1161 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,040 how that worked. How many uh 1162 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:33,599 » Yeah, they're not like filling them all 1163 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,400 at one time. 1164 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,960 » So, we over book 1165 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,280 » If they have 30 employees that may or 1166 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,560 not 1167 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,560 » Well, they can park anywhere. 1168 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,560 » Yeah. 1169 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:47,359 So, I'm I would like to postpone this 1170 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:49,280 discussion till our next meeting and see 1171 00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:51,280 if we can get some more data on what 1172 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,800 their needs really are and how many 1173 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:57,359 employees they've got on a typical day. 1174 00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:01,839 That's working in that 1175 00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:04,319 um building and how many parking spots 1176 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:05,599 are available in the parking lot on that 1177 00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:08,599 side of the building for those 1178 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,599 employees. 1179 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,640 Is that a motion sort of? 1180 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:20,640 » I'll make that a motion. Can 1181 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,760 » With what the mayor said, is that 1182 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,200 something that we can kind of roll and 1183 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,240 now we're just kind of globbing stuff 1184 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:30,079 onto this motion, but um to see if 1185 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:33,280 realistically the the um the boat launch 1186 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:33,839 could be a six-month 1187 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,760 » Solution 1188 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,880 » Solution to actually what I was 1189 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,760 » That would be permitted. They'd still 1190 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,440 have to buy a permit for that. 1191 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,160 » What I was suggesting actually is that 1192 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,560 the 25 spots be 6 months. 1193 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640 » Okay. 1194 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200 » Yeah. Put a sunset on the 25 spots. 1195 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,040 » Yeah. 1196 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,599 » Oh. That we try it for 6 months and see 1197 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,599 how it works. 1198 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,359 » Well, just through the season through 1199 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:53,040 the through the winter because that's 1200 00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:54,640 it's very slow down there through 1201 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,520 through this part of the year. That's 1202 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,240 what we're hearing, right? 1203 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,160 » Yeah. 1204 00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,400 » And April one or whatever it is. 1205 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,000 » And then what I guess it's got conflated 1206 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,280 with me saying then when the boating 1207 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,440 season starts, that's when things 1208 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:09,599 activity starts picking up again in 1209 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:11,760 March. end of March, April. Uh and uh 1210 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:13,599 and that would buy us some time to maybe 1211 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,720 get a study in and start to look at this 1212 00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:19,200 and come up with a permanent decision on 1213 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:22,319 what we're what we would do. 1214 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:25,040 » I'm thinking that we just wait to make a 1215 00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:28,079 decision until and suggest that they use 1216 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,280 the the boat ramp um starting October 1217 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,040 1st 1218 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,200 » For eight hours. 1219 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,280 » Well, there aren't any regulations that 1220 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,800 would prevent them from doing that. We 1221 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,960 make that recommendation to them. If 1222 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,680 they want a spot for 8 hours, they can 1223 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,319 park there starting October 1st. 1224 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,119 » Mike Morz, do we 1225 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:48,720 » Maintain? 1226 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,760 » Do we charge during the winter? 1227 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,359 » No. 1228 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,680 » The only problem is then we have to 1229 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:54,960 remove snow. I mean, if there's pile 1230 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,359 » Because it's a liability. 1231 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,440 » Yep. 1232 00:45:55,359 --> 00:46:01,359 » Yeah. So then maybe what we do is we 1233 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,880 make that a a permit lot during the 1234 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:06,240 winter 1235 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,720 so that we bring in some revenue to help 1236 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,160 pay for snow plowing on that. I don't 1237 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:13,119 really want to make 1238 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,359 » Sure the revenue offsets the expense to 1239 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:16,800 » Yeah. I I don't want to add more plowing 1240 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:21,240 to your guys because I know they've got 1241 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,240 plenty to do as it is. 1242 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,480 » We usually 1243 00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:26,960 » Yeah. Excuse me. 1244 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,960 » Sorry. 1245 00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:33,119 And I think especially if the request 1246 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,920 was we're looking at those 25 spots, 1247 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:39,280 maybe we don't have to plow the entire 1248 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:42,560 boat launch. Maybe the that, you know, 1249 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:45,200 Eastern League lineup there probably has 1250 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,680 25 spots. I would like to make it part 1251 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,200 of our system. So you either pay by the 1252 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:52,319 hour or permit so we so we can capture 1253 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,319 that income. 1254 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:55,319 » Um 1255 00:46:55,359 --> 00:47:01,280 Yeah. And I I I think that that's 1256 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,440 I think that's a good solution and then 1257 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,200 see what happens come spring. If you 1258 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,520 want to do or if we want to do some more 1259 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,160 studying things, um we can at least get 1260 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,640 that revenue and not you know, it'd be 1261 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,560 hard to say no to to this request and 1262 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,319 then for the next 6 months it's just 1263 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:20,480 empty down there and we say nope, we 1264 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:23,599 can't do it. So I I like that solution. 1265 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,319 I just think that it's this would buy us 1266 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,839 some time to get some more information. 1267 00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,480 » Yeah. 1268 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:32,160 Not that the other thing to consider is 1269 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,599 signage. 1270 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,680 » We'd have to install some signage to 1271 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,480 enforce it. Um 1272 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,040 » Revision 1273 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,280 » Ordinance revision. We'd have to, you 1274 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,720 know, so I mean it's 1275 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,119 » There is some leg work on this that we 1276 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,400 would have to do. 1277 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:47,440 » Yeah. I guess should you note that this 1278 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,040 is a ordinance revision to allow for 1279 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,200 these parking spaces that 1280 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,119 » Okay. I think that 1281 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,560 » Even the 25 would be an ordinance. 1282 00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:56,240 » 25 is an ordinance. 1283 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,440 » Okay. So, and we're saying the lot would 1284 00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:01,520 be one too. 1285 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,960 » That's a good question. I 1286 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,720 » Well, you could try it on a temporary 1287 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,920 basis before 1288 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,280 » You stick on signage and 1289 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,000 » You still have to sign it and you still 1290 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,000 have to maintain it, right? 1291 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,560 » One thing that's clean about this doing 1292 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,079 the 25 spaces is the signage is there. 1293 00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,880 It's available. We can put that up 1294 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:22,720 pretty easily. We can take it down just 1295 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:25,280 as easy if you wanted to do it for six 1296 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,599 months while we study. 1297 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,520 » That would be my recommendation. 1298 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:30,640 » And just so that they're aware that of 1299 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,280 course it would be they're getting a 1300 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,079 six-month permit and that may go away or 1301 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:34,720 may not. 1302 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,280 » Yep. 1303 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:38,160 » So we prorate a one-year permit for 6 1304 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,480 months for them. 1305 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,280 » Yeah. 1306 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,800 » And then we put up signs. Do we have to 1307 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:47,040 change do we have to do anything with 1308 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,559 the ordinance before we do that? 1309 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,119 I would just I would just do it on a 1310 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:52,160 probationary period at probationary 1311 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,839 basis at this point. 1312 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040 » Do we need to put a probationary sign 1313 00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:56,319 up? 1314 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480 » Whatever you'd like, mayor, 1315 00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:59,920 » I don't want to do I don't want to put I 1316 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,640 don't want an expense of putting signs 1317 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,400 up. 1318 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,800 » Is that 1319 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,400 » So 1320 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,720 » Agreeable to you? 1321 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,400 » Yeah. 1322 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:15,960 » Rich's motion. 1323 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,960 » Yeah. All right, Sam, what do you got? 1324 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,559 a motion from no one in particular. 1325 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,880 I 1326 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:25,520 » I would say address the first motion. It 1327 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,559 probably fail for lack of second 1328 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,800 potentially, right? 1329 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:31,200 » So now we need a fresh motion. 1330 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,520 » Well, I'm just saying is there a second? 1331 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,240 I can't ask. Well, you can withdraw it. 1332 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,280 » I'll withdraw. 1333 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,480 » I guess I thought it would. 1334 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,880 » I'll withdraw it. 1335 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,599 » Okay, 1336 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,880 » Let's start over. 1337 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,559 » I just want to make sure we're clean. 1338 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,760 » Let's have a Yes. Let's have a clean 1339 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,240 motion. 1340 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,760 » Okay. 1341 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,720 » You want me to make a motion? Sure. I'll 1342 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:52,000 make a motion to 1343 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:55,599 um change the uh existing 25 to 1344 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,160 permitted work permitted 8 hour 1345 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:57,440 um 1346 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,640 » Oh, I thought we weren't going to change 1347 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,440 those. I thought we were going to just 1348 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,040 let them park in the the lot across the 1349 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,200 street. 1350 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,280 » Well, it's cleaner to to to have it here 1351 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,880 with the the A and B. We got We've got 1352 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,440 the signage ready for it. It's it's 1353 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,200 available. 1354 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,319 » Yeah. Prorating the 25. 1355 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,920 » The 25. 1356 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,119 » All right. So we allow them those for 1357 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,440 the winter. Okay. 1358 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,319 » Yeah. 1359 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:21,440 » Yep. For a sixmonth period starting 1360 00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:24,440 » October one. 1361 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,440 » Yeah. 1362 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,720 » And 1363 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,240 probationary. 1364 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,280 » Okay. Need anything else? 1365 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:36,240 » I don't think so. 1366 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:39,559 » All right. Penny second. I'll second it. 1367 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,559 » Any discussion? 1368 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,640 » All those in favor? I I 1369 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,920 » Opposed. Motion's approved. 1370 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,000 » I've got nothing. Anybody? 1371 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,720 » Well, is is there a part of this that's 1372 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,240 a recommendation then to the 1373 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:56,000 » The parking committee 1374 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,480 » To start a process for a new study? 1375 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,839 » Yes. 1376 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,520 » Then we'll do a separate motion. 1377 00:50:57,839 --> 00:51:03,280 » I'll do a separate motion to recommend 1378 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,079 that um we also 1379 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,640 » Recommend to the park 1380 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,920 » Recommend a a parking study to the 1381 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,640 parking board. 1382 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,280 » Yep. 1383 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,839 » A second. 1384 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,119 » Okay. Motion second. Discussion. 1385 00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,599 All those in favor? 1386 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,839 » I 1387 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:18,079 » Oppose. Motion's approved. 1388 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,760 » All right. I still have nothing. 1389 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,160 » Move to adjurnn. 1390 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,599 » Second. 1391 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,640 » Motion. Second to adjurnn. All those in 1392 00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:26,800 favor? I stand adjourned. Thanks 1393 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:29,760 everybody. We'll give it five minutes. 1394 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,760 We'll get started.