[0:05] Everybody have a chance to take a look
[0:06] at the minutes. Move to approve.
[0:09] » Second.
[0:09] » Motion. Second to approve. Any
[0:11] discussion?
[0:12] » All those in favor?
[0:14] » I
[0:14] » Opposed. Motion approved. Approve claims
[0:17] in the amount of $3,221,76.17.
[0:25] Uh although uh Council Member Marsette
[0:27] is not here, I'll uh answer his question
[0:29] that I'm sure he has. Uh there are two
[0:32] just over $2 million in debt payments uh
[0:35] that are set to be wired to the paying
[0:37] agent tomorrow. Uh $348,000
[0:40] in milling overlay from the 2627 CIP and
[0:44] approximately $100,000 in payments for
[0:46] the new exhaust uh in the apparatus bay
[0:49] at the fire station.
[0:52] Move to approve.
[0:54] » Second.
[0:54] » Motion second to approve. Any
[0:55] discussion? All those in favor? I
[0:59] » Opposed. Motion's approved. Discussion
[1:01] of possible action on Bear Drive speed
[1:03] display sign traffic safety advisory
[1:05] committee. Case 38. They got case
[1:08] numbers, too.
[1:11] » Hello. Aaron Mcy Anderson, city
[1:13] engineer. So, at the public uh safety
[1:17] committee, uh they approved a speed
[1:19] display sign coming into town on Bear
[1:22] Drive and so they forward it to finance
[1:26] since we don't have dedicated funds for
[1:28] our traffic safety um kind of committee
[1:31] to distribute. So, we are recommending a
[1:35] solar speed display sign in just the one
[1:39] direction and we did put up our speed
[1:43] radar and the speed limit is 25 miles an
[1:46] hour. The 50th percentile speed was 36
[1:49] miles an hour and the 85th percentile
[1:52] was 40 miles an hour. So, we did
[1:54] identify that there is a speeding issue.
[1:57] Um, technically there was speeding in
[1:59] both directions, but we figured it
[2:01] didn't make sense to put one leaving
[2:02] town. And so we are looking for
[2:06] approximately $5,000.
[2:09] And we there's a few options. Um, I
[2:11] asked Sam kind of what maybe our options
[2:14] are. And so we could look at the 2026
[2:17] public works budget, but we'd have to
[2:19] likely cut something. We can look at the
[2:21] 2027 public works budget and add it as a
[2:24] line item. We could dip into our current
[2:28] CIP which we can find money I guess
[2:31] within the bonding for the 2026 2027
[2:34] capital improvement plan or we could do
[2:37] the general fund balance.
[2:41] » What do you recommend?
[2:42] » The recommendation would be if we did
[2:43] out of the CIP I would not recommend
[2:46] doing that until the end of 27 to make
[2:48] sure all the projects come in and tie
[2:50] off and see if there's money left over
[2:52] if that's the direction that we wanted
[2:54] to go.
[2:56] I think we need to do this sooner. So,
[2:58] what do you think would be the better
[3:01] place to take the money?
[3:03] » Any of those are options.
[3:04] » Yeah, I think the Go ahead, Sam.
[3:06] » The when staff is trying to come up with
[3:08] a recommendation,
[3:10] there isn't a whole lot of of money just
[3:12] sitting aside. I think it the um
[3:15] recommendation would be to likely cut
[3:17] something else.
[3:18] Um, and the question then to the
[3:20] committee would be what what would you
[3:22] guys recommend the reciprocal cut be?
[3:25] » Y,
[3:27] » Is there anything that's coming in under
[3:28] budget right now?
[3:31] » No.
[3:31] » No,
[3:33] » Not that I can think of. It's pretty
[3:34] tight. You You guys have the finance
[3:37] report now that Sam's been providing.
[3:39] Everything's
[3:41] very close.
[3:44] So if I can Mike, you wanna
[3:49] you might answer all my questions.
[3:52] » Mike Morz, director of public works. Uh
[3:54] so what we could do is for the 2026
[3:57] general operating budget for public
[3:59] works this year. There have been several
[4:03] accidents that have occurred throughout
[4:04] the community that we've basically
[4:06] collected those funds back from the
[4:09] people that hit this traffic, you know,
[4:12] signal, hit a street light, uh, so those
[4:15] revenues are coming into the city that
[4:17] help offset us buying replacement poles
[4:21] or controllers to put back up, so on and
[4:23] so forth. So, um, that's one place that
[4:26] Sam, maybe you and I can maybe sit down
[4:28] and look like what our revenues have
[4:30] come back in versus what our expenses
[4:32] have gone out and if there because we do
[4:34] incorporate some staff time into that
[4:36] obviously. Um, and that's already in the
[4:39] operating budget. I mean, so I mean
[4:41] there are there might be a possibility
[4:43] that we could look at that and and pay
[4:45] for it out of the operating budget this
[4:46] year. So
[4:47] » And and and in the end the other
[4:49] possibility is finding a time where we
[4:52] take these special projects and realize
[4:54] we can't do them right now.
[4:56] » Well, that's I mean is it an enforcement
[4:59] issue again where we just is it is that
[5:02] section of road in the city or in the
[5:04] county jurisdiction?
[5:06] » It's in the city and I know um Chief
[5:09] Williams
[5:10] » He said they put you know they go out
[5:12] there once in a while. He specifically
[5:14] said, I think this was when they had
[5:15] like four officers out there and sure
[5:17] » They do that, you know, and there was
[5:20] maybe four people pulled over at the
[5:21] same time because there was like so many
[5:23] people going over the speed limit. So
[5:25] they do the best that they can with
[5:29] their resources.
[5:31] » Well, that that's what I was going to uh
[5:32] start with. So I looked at the map and
[5:34] this is this is literally right on the
[5:36] border of of uh coming, you know,
[5:38] welcome to the city. Um, prior to that
[5:42] 25, it's 45, right?
[5:44] » Yeah. I don't
[5:45] » No, it's 35.
[5:46] » It goes from 45 to 35 to 25.
[5:49] » So, you know, and basically like you
[5:52] mentioned, if they're leaving and going
[5:53] fast, we kind of say, who cares? We
[5:55] don't really say that, but we we mutter
[5:57] that,
[5:58] » But so then let's flip that concept
[6:00] around. So they're they're they're
[6:01] coming in from the town going 45 55 and
[6:05] now you know we have to reach in the
[6:08] wallet or try to find this money for
[6:10] this thing. I'm not against it. I think
[6:11] those things have proven to so the the
[6:13] the uh traffic but this is not a
[6:16] guarantee that now we won't have any
[6:18] speeders. Um I appreciate you putting
[6:21] the picture in there and it's not a you
[6:22] know truly a residential neighborhood.
[6:25] My fear is that as soon as we have a
[6:26] couple people say, "Hey, I think there's
[6:28] speeders coming through here." Um, we're
[6:31] then now kind of, well, we'll jam one of
[6:33] these signs in there and, you know, in
[6:35] every sign. So, I'm not against it and I
[6:37] and I don't want to I wasn't part of the
[6:40] the uh safety uh public safety, but um
[6:46] it's a it sounds like a not a bad idea,
[6:49] but we're also saying, "Well, where's
[6:50] the money?" I mean, it's if we did this
[6:52] like our own checkbook, we'd say, "Boy,
[6:54] we'd love to do that maybe next year. We
[6:56] just can't afford it right now." I don't
[6:58] that that's kind of what hits me about
[7:00] this. Um,
[7:01] » Yeah. And another thing, we do have bare
[7:04] drive in the CI the six-year CIP. I
[7:06] don't remember exactly what year we put
[7:08] it for. So hopefully if we redo it, we
[7:12] can maybe look to change some things to
[7:14] help with speeding, but
[7:16] um or include the sign with that
[7:18] project, you know, kind of wrap it in
[7:20] with that project. So that could be an
[7:22] option, too. But if we were able to put
[7:25] in the sign now and then you were able
[7:28] to design it better when it's um redone,
[7:35] » We could move that sign. And so I mean
[7:38] the money isn't wasted by buying a sign
[7:40] that
[7:41] » True
[7:41] » Because I mean we got plenty of speeding
[7:43] spots in all over the c the city. Um
[7:48] » But to your point you said and again I I
[7:50] I trust that a lot of work has been done
[7:53] this. Um the safety committee said we
[7:56] need that and you guys said sooner than
[7:57] later. Then then where are we going to I
[8:01] mean I know that you guys were just
[8:02] talking about that but I I don't have an
[8:04] answer. I don't have 5,000 on me right
[8:06] now. to pay for it. Are we do you feel
[8:09] comfortable with with um underruns from
[8:12] projects that are currently in house or
[8:15] » Yeah, I mean we did have a good year,
[8:17] you know, with under bidding, but then
[8:19] we're kind of pushing the limit for
[8:20] wanting to add, you know, B&M Farms next
[8:23] year basically with that overrun of
[8:25] fund.
[8:25] » That's true. Yeah. Mhm.
[8:27] » So,
[8:28] » Usually we put enough contingency where
[8:31] I personally would like to see at least
[8:33] $5,000 left at the end of all the
[8:35] projects, you know, instead of going
[8:37] over budget, but
[8:40] that doesn't mean it who knows what the
[8:41] bidding will look like next,
[8:42] » Right?
[8:44] » The insurance reimbursement is not an
[8:45] option.
[8:46] » Oh, we can't use that
[8:50] insurance collect to offset our
[8:52] expenses. Mhm. Okay.
[8:59] Okay.
[9:02] » Well, I guess we don't have the money.
[9:03] We don't have the money.
[9:06] » Well, if we were to make a motion,
[9:09] I don't know what the Yeah, I don't know
[9:10] what the answer would be. Um, is this
[9:13] something that we
[9:15] » Yeah.
[9:16] » 2027 priority list?
[9:19] » Sam, what do you have? What What would
[9:21] you recommend? Anything?
[9:24] My recommendation would be that
[9:28] if it were passed that we would likely
[9:30] need to see a cut somewhere. Um
[9:34] or unless it is a recommendation to put
[9:37] it in 2027's budget, in which case we
[9:41] can we'll be able to fit it in and bring
[9:43] it back to the council with another cut
[9:46] from staff.
[9:51] » Another cut from staff. Well, a staff
[9:53] recommendation as to where to cut that
[9:55] in the 27 budget.
[9:56] » Not a staff cut.
[9:56] » Okay, I apologize. I did not mean that
[9:58] as a cut to staff either. That
[10:00] » Sounded pretty ominous.
[10:01] » Yeah, sorry. I did not mean it like
[10:02] that. A recommendation from staff as to
[10:05] where to cut it from the 27 budget.
[10:07] » Do we have an accident report for there?
[10:09] » Uh, let's see. What did I
[10:14] » There in the last three years, there has
[10:17] been one accident related to wildlife
[10:20] crossing. I don't think it said deer,
[10:22] but
[10:25] » And the sign would not work on on the
[10:27] deer,
[10:28] » Right? Pay attention to that.
[10:31] » No, but you know,
[10:32] » Nobody else does. Why should they?
[10:33] » Right.
[10:33] » They got the deer crossing signs. They
[10:35] know where to go.
[10:36] » I know. They just don't read them.
[10:38] » Um and and again, just trying to be
[10:40] creative here. What if I mean, could we
[10:43] approach the town and say, "Can you back
[10:44] up your or back down your speed limit to
[10:47] 25?" because I think the speed probably
[10:50] takes place in that first 100 yards
[10:54] of you hit that sign, you see 25 and
[10:56] it's still you still have that
[10:57] straightaway there.
[10:59] » Um
[11:00] » I don't know. I'd have to ask Jeff maybe
[11:02] about that, but I don't know where they
[11:04] sit exactly. Yeah. But
[11:07] » I'm going to make the motion that we um
[11:11] send this back to staff to make a
[11:14] recommendation on where we can find the
[11:17] money if possible. and discuss it at our
[11:20] next finance meeting.
[11:23] » Yeah, I'll second that
[11:25] » Motion and second.
[11:27] Any further discussion?
[11:30] I'm just I'm just wondering if
[11:34] don't get me wrong because you know how
[11:36] I feel about speeding and people not
[11:38] obeying traffic signs and things here in
[11:41] the city, but
[11:43] one accident in three years and it's
[11:45] just a deer.
[11:48] Don't want to minimize what what
[11:50] happened to that deer, but
[11:53] » But did you read the urgency here? I I
[11:56] really don't see the urgency.
[11:57] » Did you read the summary of the con
[11:59] concern? Um I have photos on my phone of
[12:01] cars passing in the double yellow 25
[12:04] mile per hour multiple times in the last
[12:06] year. So people are they're ignoring the
[12:09] double yellow. They're they're speeding.
[12:12] And this is this is a a big problem that
[12:15] I mean we're we're lucky that we haven't
[12:17] had any accidents. I'm surprised that we
[12:19] haven't had any. I drive that that
[12:22] section uh quite a bit because I go up
[12:25] to Somerset to visit my daughter and
[12:27] come back that way and um
[12:30] I don't there's usually not a lot of
[12:31] traffic there,
[12:33] » But um
[12:35] » Well
[12:36] » I can see where people are would be
[12:37] speeding. Do people typically reduce
[12:39] speed when they see a sign like that or
[12:41] is there I mean some people might test
[12:44] their speedometer to make sure it works.
[12:46] » I I'm just wondering if the
[12:48] effectiveness of those signs and if
[12:49] there's any data on the effect
[12:51] » There has been some data on this the and
[12:53] I I think I mean Jeff can correct me but
[12:56] I think like stage line where we added
[12:58] them it has helped quite a bit. It
[13:01] sounds like uh we did that in both
[13:04] directions on Stageeline Road which had
[13:06] you know maybe a similar I mean that's a
[13:09] higher um speed limit but
[13:12] so there is some effectiveness shown at
[13:15] least temporarily you know when you
[13:18] cross it.
[13:20] » Mhm. And I'm I'm again I'm not opposed
[13:23] to these tools um that you know are
[13:27] there for safety but also you know
[13:29] slowing people down. Um again it's not
[13:32] in a residence but I there's nobody I
[13:34] talked to in the city that one of their
[13:36] top complaints not that they have a lot
[13:38] but one of the top ones is they're
[13:39] speeding in my neighborhood
[13:40] » And that could be a small residential
[13:42] neighborhood it could be Carmichael. It
[13:44] could be this area. So my again my fear
[13:47] is the idea that let's spend five grand,
[13:49] find it from somewhere, put a sign in
[13:51] there and say there we're done. We fixed
[13:53] the speeding issue.
[13:55] » People are still going to cross the
[13:56] yellow line.
[13:57] » Um it is it is a straightaway. I've I've
[14:01] » I've I've been on there and it it is it
[14:03] does feel unnatural to go 25 down there
[14:06] to be honest with you. Um,
[14:09] and if we did have, you know, this
[14:12] here's this checkbook that's meant for
[14:13] these safety things and we had a decent
[14:16] balance in, I would be right alongside
[14:18] you. I just I don't want to I I liked
[14:20] your motion because um rather than just
[14:23] blindly say, "Let's write the check and
[14:25] we'll figure out how to cash it later."
[14:27] I'd like to know where it's coming from
[14:28] before we approve anything. So,
[14:32] » All right.
[14:34] » All those in favor? I I
[14:35] » Opposed. Motion's approved.
[14:39] » Discussion possible. Thanks, Aaron.
[14:41] Discussion possible action to approve
[14:42] the quote from Jar Roofing Service for
[14:44] repairs at 21101 O'Neal Road.
[14:48] All right. Mike Morz, director of public
[14:50] works. Again, uh we have an issue with
[14:54] the roof at the new public works
[14:56] facility. Uh unfortunately, it is on the
[14:59] side that we lease to uh Progressive
[15:02] Rail. Uh this leak has been an issue um
[15:06] for the last couple of years. Um we
[15:10] tried to chase it and brought in Jar to
[15:13] do some sealing of roof penetrations
[15:16] around rooftop units. Uh they did some
[15:19] sealing around some of the trim on the
[15:21] the roof edge and continued to have
[15:24] problems uh on that side with leaks. And
[15:27] so Caterpillar or Progressive Royal
[15:28] reached out to me and say, "Hey, what
[15:29] are you guys doing to fix this?" Right.
[15:31] Um, so Jar came back, did some
[15:34] investigative work. Uh, Jar is a company
[15:36] that we've worked with in the past to do
[15:38] emergency repairs on some of our other
[15:40] roofs at the library or our public
[15:42] workshop up on the north side of town.
[15:44] And they took took some core sample and
[15:46] found some wet insulation, um, which is
[15:48] apparently bad on a flat roof. Um, and
[15:51] so they basically put a quote together.
[15:54] Uh the total is $17,767
[15:57] to replace that uh section of roof that
[16:00] has become damaged. Um and like I said,
[16:04] that should hopefully uh stop the leak.
[16:08] Um where we're going to pay this from,
[16:11] talk to Sam. Uh we would use the the
[16:14] rental income that we acrew from them
[16:16] every every month to help offset this
[16:18] expense. and they pay us um
[16:21] approximately $25,000 in rent every
[16:23] month.
[16:25] » What is that money designated for
[16:26] though? Isn't it Isn't it already
[16:28] designated?
[16:29] » That Go ahead, Sam.
[16:30] » Yes. So, we get uh as Mike said about
[16:33] $25,000 a month or about $300,000 a year
[16:36] from them. Uh that money is in the debt
[16:38] service fund to pay uh the 2024 uh non
[16:42] or NAN uh debt issuance, which is a
[16:45] balloon payment at which we pay interest
[16:47] only on that. that interest payment is
[16:50] approximately $210,000.
[16:52] » Okay.
[16:52] » For next year. So that leaves us with 87
[16:55] $87,000
[16:58] um approximately that uh could be used
[17:00] for this.
[17:01] » Okay. I'll make the motion to approve.
[17:04] » I'll second.
[17:05] » Motion second to approve. Any further
[17:07] discussion?
[17:09] All those in favor?
[17:10] » I
[17:11] » Opposed. Motion's approved. Thanks,
[17:13] Mike. Ordinance 07-26 amending the
[17:17] three-hour parking limit and eight hour
[17:19] parking limit.
[17:23] » Bren, do you want to take this or do you
[17:24] want me to?
[17:26] » I'm sorry. I was busy letting council
[17:27] member Sarah in. I missed what we're the
[17:30] point that we're on.
[17:31] » We're on the last item on the parking
[17:33] three hour and 8 hour parking.
[17:35] » Uh, okay.
[17:37] » Yes. So, so this is um uh the the
[17:40] request was on last meeting's agenda
[17:43] came from the parking utility to allow
[17:46] for a section of three-hour parking near
[17:49] the it's just across the street from the
[17:51] boat launch um on the let's see that
[17:54] would be the east side of first right
[17:56] behind the river city center and this
[17:59] would allow for 25 total spaces to go
[18:02] from a three-hour parking limit to an 8
[18:04] hour parking limit. So it take eight
[18:06] spaces that would cycle through every
[18:08] three hours and convert it to an eight
[18:10] hour in which permit people would be
[18:12] able to use and also hourly people would
[18:15] be able to use but it would be an 8 hour
[18:17] maximum parking limit.
[18:20] Think that's it.
[18:22] » So how many employees are they planning
[18:25] expecting to have in that building?
[18:28] » I think they're already there.
[18:30] » They are already there.
[18:31] » Yep.
[18:32] » Yeah. I I don't know the numbers of
[18:34] employees or anything to that. It was
[18:36] just the request for
[18:37] » I was told that there are up to 60
[18:38] employees but most of them are working
[18:40] remotely.
[18:42] I don't know how accurate that is, but
[18:44] » So, how many
[18:49] So, the reason that they want 8 hour
[18:51] parking in that area is so that even
[18:54] those who would not buy a monthly permit
[18:58] would be able to park there for their
[19:02] full day of work.
[19:05] Um, I mean, do they need all 25 spaces?
[19:09] I
[19:14] I I don't know the answer to that. Did
[19:16] you Did I I I wanted to clarify
[19:18] something. I I thought I heard you say
[19:20] that they were going to take eight
[19:22] stalls.
[19:23] » Eight stalls.
[19:24] » No. Uh it's the 25.
[19:26] » Okay. Yeah,
[19:27] » It's all 25.
[19:28] » Heard that.
[19:29] » So, um
[19:32] » To go to eight. I don't know that they I
[19:35] they're not I don't I don't think it
[19:38] would be accurate to say that they're
[19:39] going to take all 25, but at the same
[19:40] time, it's not accurate to say they
[19:42] wouldn't. Depends upon who's there. You
[19:45] know,
[19:46] they they have staff meetings every now
[19:48] and then, bring them all in.
[19:50] » Okay. Because I noticed that there are
[19:52] some spaces on that side of the building
[19:56] » In their parking lot. So I went down
[19:59] there this this afternoon to look at
[20:02] everything and and most of those spaces
[20:05] were empty. So I don't you know All
[20:08] right. So what is the impact
[20:11] on the for are those spaces used a lot?
[20:16] Has there been any
[20:18] information gathered on how how much
[20:22] usage those spots get during the day? I
[20:25] mean it's it's only going to be during
[20:26] the day that they're going to be using
[20:27] them. Correct.
[20:28] » I I think they're used quite a bit
[20:30] during the summer.
[20:31] » Oh.
[20:32] » Uh during the boating season
[20:34] » As guests that are going out with people
[20:37] » Uh that are launching with people at the
[20:39] at the boat launch.
[20:40] » Okay. So
[20:41] » They're going to get there early in the
[20:42] morning maybe. Yeah. But they're they're
[20:44] used quite a bit during during the
[20:46] summertime. I'm not sure.
[20:47] » Before Sar went in there.
[20:48] » What's that?
[20:49] » That's before Saranda went in there.
[20:50] » Yes.
[20:51] » That's also weekend parking. I I too,
[20:54] you know, I know that little area and it
[20:56] it is probably our least popular parking
[20:58] spot, you know, as far it's probably the
[21:01] furthest from any restaurant or bar or
[21:03] store. Um,
[21:06] and I do like the way that this is set
[21:08] up. It's a creative way to like
[21:09] especially if we raise our per our
[21:12] permit prices. We're guaranteeing what
[21:15] 25,000 excuse me $2500
[21:18] for the employees. But still if if if
[21:21] they're not being used, someone could
[21:23] park there for one hour or four hours or
[21:25] whatever. So we could almost we could
[21:27] almost double dip, if you will,
[21:28] » If the employees buy a pass or a permit
[21:32] » And then someone wants to park there and
[21:34] go to the the beach or whatever or
[21:36] whatever they want to do. um
[21:40] it would be a way to to like gu like I
[21:43] said guarantee that payment but it's
[21:44] also it's not reserve parking for them
[21:47] and um I do see the church down there on
[21:50] the weekends they people use that but
[21:52] this wouldn't be this is a Monday
[21:54] through Friday thing for the permit
[21:56] right
[21:57] » Yeah well this should be used I would
[22:00] expect that a a business like Saranda
[22:02] would only be using it Monday through
[22:03] Friday regular business
[22:04] » Hours if the employee or somebody does
[22:07] have
[22:08] a pass that's year round that they can
[22:10] they can park there on a Saturday if
[22:12] they wish to.
[22:12] » Sure.
[22:15] » Are there any concerns about this?
[22:17] » So, here's here's my concern. This is
[22:19] why originally I wanted to postpone this
[22:22] to look at the uh agreement that we had,
[22:26] development agreement there, and that's
[22:29] » It's kind of vague in relative to what
[22:33] my concern was. So, it's a horse piece
[22:36] really. Um, and that having to do with
[22:39] the 5% tradeoff in consideration for the
[22:42] uh the developer getting 5% additional
[22:45] on tiff revenue uh increment as a
[22:49] trade-off for the 25 parking spots.
[22:51] Okay. And then all of a sudden the 25
[22:53] parking spots ended up end up being
[22:54] perhaps going exclusive not exclusively
[22:57] but a big chunk of them to a tenant
[23:02] of the developer. So that was my
[23:04] original concern. The language is vague,
[23:06] so I'm not going to argue that point.
[23:09] Uh, but
[23:12] I think that I think the bigger issue
[23:14] for me right now, and I'm not I'm not
[23:17] wedded to this one way or another. I see
[23:19] both sides. But I think a bigger concern
[23:22] right now, we're going through a lot of
[23:24] discussion about parking. And we're
[23:26] going to have more coming up here very
[23:28] soon.
[23:30] And what if any business were to do
[23:33] this?
[23:34] I mean, if I saw council passing this
[23:37] and I had employees down here, I
[23:40] employed a lot of people. I'd say,
[23:41] "Yeah, I want in on that."
[23:44] » Mhm.
[23:44] » Uh, you know, if we have public parking,
[23:47] which is what this is, it's city-owned
[23:49] public parking. What about other public
[23:51] parking spaces? What about over here?
[23:53] you know, turn that into 18 permit
[23:55] parking for or eight hour rather permit
[23:57] parking for anybody that wants to come
[23:59] in because they've got a business that
[24:01] they might relocate or they move
[24:02] downtown or they've been downtown, they
[24:05] need additional parking or
[24:08] they're expanding and they want
[24:10] additional parking. So, I'm worried
[24:12] about the precedent that we're setting.
[24:14] And
[24:16] so, that's my biggest concern.
[24:18] » So, we excuse me. You know, here here's
[24:21] something you're going to hear me say
[24:22] probably a lot in the next few weeks for
[24:27] sure.
[24:29] We we didn't used to have a parking
[24:32] problem downtown, right? Which is why we
[24:34] developed a system where we had payment
[24:37] in lie of we wanted to encourage people
[24:39] to come downtown. We wanted to encourage
[24:40] businesses to come downtown. We didn't
[24:43] have very many restaurants downtown. We
[24:45] just had a handful and uh so parking was
[24:49] not an issue. All of a sudden, Hudson
[24:51] became very popular place to be. We got
[24:53] a lot more restaurants downtown. Every
[24:55] single one of them got a parking or a
[24:58] payment in lie of deal. We got no
[25:02] additional parking and then of course we
[25:03] were inundated with complaints about
[25:04] parking downtown for years. Okay, that
[25:09] was resolved in my opinion when uh Mike
[25:13] and and their crew uh came in with a
[25:16] recommendation to change the system
[25:19] » To enforce until 8:00 to go with the
[25:22] threeh hour to the enforcement until 8
[25:24] with three-hour which encouraged
[25:27] promoted um turnover churn downtown
[25:30] which was huge the additional 300
[25:32] parking spaces that were then metered
[25:34] and we haven't had a single complaint. I
[25:36] haven't personally had a single
[25:37] complaint about parking downtown other
[25:39] than people that are getting tickets
[25:40] that don't think they should uh or don't
[25:42] want to pay them, but we're going to
[25:45] start seeing parking complaints downtown
[25:47] again here pretty soon.
[25:48] » Mhm.
[25:49] » And and that concerns me because we've
[25:52] got nowhere to go and we don't have any
[25:53] money to do anything about it. You know,
[25:55] we've got when we tore down the fire
[25:59] station over here and created the
[26:01] additional parking spaces, we were
[26:03] thinking in the back of our minds, we
[26:05] didn't want to put a a ramp up there. I
[26:07] don't think anybody was in favor of a
[26:08] ramp downtown here, but we were talking
[26:11] talking about putting a deck over that
[26:13] potentially if we needed additional
[26:15] space. We may need that and it's still
[26:17] an option, but we don't have any money
[26:19] for that.
[26:21] So
[26:23] those are three-hour spots right now,
[26:25] correct?
[26:26] » Three or four? Yeah.
[26:27] » Three. Three. Three. Three. Okay.
[26:29] » And so if an employee
[26:32] » When you say those, you're talking about
[26:33] the 25
[26:34] » The 25 spots. Yeah.
[26:35] » Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[26:36] » So,
[26:39] all right. So, and you said that they've
[26:40] already moved in there. So, an employee,
[26:43] they should be able to park in those
[26:45] spots that
[26:47] are in the parking lot that if they need
[26:49] to be there for for eight hours because
[26:53] those spots are available, they can park
[26:55] on the other side of the building also.
[26:57] I mean, it's the parking is in that
[27:00] parking lot is for the tenants of that
[27:02] building and the customers of that
[27:04] building.
[27:06] So I I guess my question is what are the
[27:10] um the options that somebody an employee
[27:13] has right now without these 25 spots
[27:17] available for permit parking.
[27:20] » Well,
[27:22] they can go on the street. I mean,
[27:23] pretty much any option they've got is
[27:25] like three-hour parking somewhere uh
[27:27] » Or four hours up in the uh the lot.
[27:30] Yeah.
[27:30] » Yeah.
[27:31] » Well, or they could also purchase a work
[27:33] permit, right? And we have we already
[27:36] have areas designated
[27:38] » Or
[27:40] » Right. So to me this is I mean I know a
[27:42] particular
[27:44] » Uh Saranda I know that it sounds like
[27:46] they started this request but again it's
[27:49] not reserved for just them. Does this
[27:52] benefit I mean I like having businesses
[27:56] you know um because they were up by
[27:59] Wells Fargo, weren't they?
[28:02] » Yeah they were on the other side of
[28:03] Vine.
[28:03] » Yeah.
[28:04] » Yeah.
[28:05] So, they stayed here and maybe again
[28:07] they started the request, but it's
[28:09] they're not saying make this a private
[28:11] area. That's just basically does it make
[28:13] sense to expand as we have more people
[28:16] working downtown. This is probably not a
[28:18] crazy request to be made.
[28:21] And again, I think they're basically
[28:23] saying, can we can we buy permits? And
[28:26] it's next to their front door, right?
[28:28] But if I want to go down there and park
[28:30] on a Tuesday at 10 in the morning, I I'm
[28:33] not really taking one of their spots.
[28:34] I'm now we're just down we're having the
[28:38] benefit of of um being able to get those
[28:40] permits. So um
[28:43] » But during the summer if if you wanted
[28:45] to park there and and um go out on your
[28:49] boat, then you could park for a full
[28:51] eight hours and go on your boat
[28:54] » And that could tie up spots that are
[28:57] needed. So, I I'm uncomfortable with
[29:00] this.
[29:02] » So, like I said, I'm not wetted one way
[29:04] or another. I just wanted to bring that
[29:06] up as an issue when you asked what what
[29:08] what might be the concerns.
[29:11] » That to me is the biggest concern. To
[29:13] your point, Mike, you know, I originally
[29:16] the first pass on this, I thought it was
[29:18] I didn't realize it was going to be
[29:21] open to everybody, anybody, you know,
[29:23] first come, first serve.
[29:25] And uh there are some other
[29:27] considerations. I get it. I you know,
[29:28] and Saranda is a great employer. They've
[29:30] been good to the city and uh and and we
[29:33] we want them here in the city. There's
[29:35] no doubt about it. Um I just uh
[29:41] I don't know. I don't know. I'm very
[29:44] very concerned for the future down here
[29:46] with parking. Well, they can buy a
[29:47] permit for over here and walk to Saranda
[29:51] from there if they really wanted a
[29:54] wanted permit parking.
[29:55] » Well, one of the things that we do need
[29:58] to do is probably another parking study.
[30:01] Um the parking committee does have some
[30:04] funds that we could put toward another
[30:05] parking study for all of downtown.
[30:08] Um they just you know I think their pool
[30:11] they have I want to say it's almost 400
[30:14] in that pool. Parking study might
[30:17] disappear. I'm guessing a parking study
[30:19] is going to be probably 30 or 40 for a
[30:23] decent parking study of our current
[30:24] conditions.
[30:26] » So it's something to think about as
[30:27] well. It's something that we probably
[30:28] should start to plan for and it would
[30:30] come out of those funds for the parking
[30:32] committee.
[30:33] » When did we put in this system?
[30:35] » 2019.
[30:37] Okay.
[30:38] » Yeah. Right. Right before CO is when I
[30:40] » So, it's been almost 10 years. I mean,
[30:42] it's been seven.
[30:44] » Seven.
[30:44] » So, so it's been 10 years since the last
[30:46] at least 10 years since the last parking
[30:48] study.
[30:49] » Well, and it seems like you've changed
[30:50] quite a bit downtown.
[30:51] » Yes, there's there's been a lot of
[30:52] changes in the 10 years. Yeah, I think
[30:54] that
[30:55] » Now we have
[30:55] » I think that's a good idea to start
[30:57] thinking about.
[30:58] » Max socials coming in.
[31:02] » Yeah, Max's social. That's going to take
[31:04] parking and then
[31:05] » Potentially
[31:05] » The visitors to the apartment complex
[31:07] that's going in. We've got a lot of
[31:09] there's going to be a lot of pressure on
[31:11] the parking
[31:12] » Plus the redesign of the park, right?
[31:14] Adding all the
[31:15] » What I I think I I like the idea of a
[31:18] parking study and and I also want to
[31:19] couple that with the whole payment in
[31:22] lie of
[31:22] » Yes.
[31:23] » Yes.
[31:24] » We we need to address that.
[31:26] » Yes.
[31:26] » That I don't think that that is I don't
[31:29] think it works for us anymore. Like I
[31:32] said, it was great at first for an
[31:33] incentive to to bring businesses
[31:35] downtown. Uh I I just don't think it's
[31:38] working for us anymore. And I'd like to
[31:40] know, frankly, how much money we've
[31:42] collected over the years for payment in
[31:44] lie of
[31:45] » And where it is.
[31:48] » Is everybody up to date on paying us?
[31:50] It's supposed to they can take up to
[31:51] what 8 to 10 years to pay it.
[31:53] » Which one? 8 10
[31:55] » Uh depending upon the amount.
[31:56] » Uh it it it changes up to eight years if
[31:59] it's uh over 7500.
[32:01] » So it's a onetime payment.
[32:03] » It could be but they
[32:04] » One time payment they have it they can
[32:06] pay it over a period of eight eight
[32:08] years but it's one time.
[32:10] » Okay.
[32:10] » Um so it's not it's just Yeah.
[32:12] » It's one amount I should say paid over a
[32:14] period of eight years.
[32:15] » No I think that's a that's a policy that
[32:17] we should be revisiting.
[32:18] » Absolutely. So maybe a study to look at
[32:20] that, look at our ordinance as it sits,
[32:22] and then make recommendations back.
[32:25] » I'm going to make the motion that we um
[32:28] wait to make a decision on something
[32:30] like this until we've discussed the
[32:32] payment in L and we also um discuss a
[32:36] parking study.
[32:39] » I don't I don't want to Well,
[32:41] » There what do you go toward a moratorum?
[32:45] » No, because it's not zoning.
[32:47] » Because it's what? This isn't zoning
[32:49] related.
[32:50] » Parking the ordinance is part of zoning.
[32:53] » Well, but a moratorum on on what
[32:56] exactly?
[33:00] » Yeah, there's some decisions to make,
[33:01] but Okay.
[33:03] » I'm I'm going to throw out before we get
[33:06] » Too far down there. Um I know we talked
[33:08] about in the summer and boating and and
[33:10] what and people coming down here. We're
[33:12] also getting to our point in the season
[33:14] where it's going to be a lot quieter
[33:16] down there. Um, whenever it's under 50
[33:18] degrees, there's not a lot of people
[33:20] strolling along the uh park. Um,
[33:23] and also across the street, Mike's going
[33:25] to love when I say this, but you know,
[33:27] we do have that boat launch that gets
[33:29] very little traffic in the winter. There
[33:30] might be a boat or two the in January if
[33:33] if the thaws, but that's a lot of real
[33:36] estate that's just sitting there that
[33:38] could maybe be a seasonal permittable
[33:41] part, you know, a work permit spot. Um,
[33:45] again, it it would bring in I know we'd
[33:47] have to maintain a little bit more. Um,
[33:50] but
[33:52] again, I'm just I'm thinking that we're
[33:54] all thinking Saturday, Fourth of July,
[33:57] you can't find a parking spot in town.
[33:59] But for the next 6 months, I think those
[34:01] 25 spots are going to be empty and the
[34:04] and the boat launch is going to be
[34:05] empty. So
[34:07] again, to throw it out there, if if we
[34:09] could look at this as a six-month
[34:12] um
[34:13] » What are the restrictions on the boat
[34:15] boat ramp parking lot for the during the
[34:18] winter?
[34:22] » I say during the summer, I know during
[34:24] the winter there really are none. Um so
[34:26] from May 1st to September 30th we have
[34:30] stipulated that only boat or u vehicle
[34:33] and trailer can park in the lot. Outside
[34:36] of that there's really nothing in the
[34:37] ordinances that dictate anything.
[34:40] » So it's
[34:41] » Yeah right now we don't we don't plow it
[34:42] in the winter time. We do we do run a
[34:44] truck through it just to make a pass. A
[34:46] lot of the guys use to use the rest of
[34:48] them at Buckeye Garage but that's no
[34:49] longer there. So, it'd be one of those
[34:51] things where we would have to add some
[34:52] type of maintenance in the winter time,
[34:54] but really no restrictions right now.
[34:55] » Yeah. So, and we don't
[34:58] pile snow there anymore.
[35:00] » We don't pile snow there anymore. Nope.
[35:03] » And the docks don't come out.
[35:05] » Don't come out. Stay.
[35:08] » Okay.
[35:11] » So,
[35:15] you said through September 30th. So,
[35:18] starting in another week, they they
[35:20] could park there as long as there isn't
[35:22] any snow there.
[35:25] And there's is there's no um fees for
[35:28] parking in there during that time
[35:30] period.
[35:30] » Park there if there's snow.
[35:33] » Okay.
[35:34] » Well, I think we could add it to our
[35:36] zone.
[35:38] So, we could collect the dollar an hour
[35:41] or 50 cent an hour, whatever we do.
[35:45] Again, I don't I know I kind of hijacked
[35:47] this topic and kind of moving it to
[35:48] that. So, I wanna
[35:49] » Well, nobody seconded my motion, so um
[35:53] we're
[35:54] » Well, yeah, it sounds like we're not we
[35:56] don't have this thing wrapped up with a
[35:57] bulbe. Um so, then
[36:00] » But is the is the is your motion that we
[36:04] do a study and this is a prolonged
[36:06] » I I just saw this thing lasting
[36:08] » Back to the parking commission, right?
[36:11] Well,
[36:11] » I don't know who control I mean the end
[36:14] control comes here for that those funds.
[36:18] » I'm looking at
[36:19] » Well, I mean what's what's interesting
[36:20] about this one is that
[36:23] » They recommend to this committee.
[36:25] » Well, but but sir Saranda is in a
[36:28] building that has a large parking lot.
[36:30] » Yes.
[36:30] » Right. And and so you know ordinarily
[36:33] you would
[36:34] » You would think that the direction would
[36:38] be park your vehicles in your parking
[36:40] lot and you know I think the the request
[36:43] is based largely on the parking lot is
[36:46] on the opposite side of the building and
[36:48] they're looking for some space on the
[36:51] I'm not going to say the rear side of
[36:52] the building the other front of the
[36:53] building. Um
[36:55] » River side's good. the Riverside and and
[36:57] so, you know, understand that there are
[36:59] lots of issues and and as the mayor
[37:01] mentioned, we are dealing with a lot a
[37:04] lot of issues right now currently and a
[37:05] lot that are that are coming down the
[37:07] road. But, you know, do you want to deal
[37:10] with this one first in which they have a
[37:13] specific request related to having some
[37:17] parking access on the river side of the
[37:19] building or do you want to wait and go
[37:21] through the parking study process before
[37:23] you act on this particular request? You
[37:26] have a request in front of you. The
[37:28] question really is what do you what do
[37:29] you want to do with it and how do you
[37:32] want to proceed before you make a
[37:34] decision or do you need to do anything
[37:35] more before you make a decision on this
[37:37] particular request? How long does the
[37:38] parking study take,
[37:41] » Mike? Do you remember how long?
[37:43] » Probably gonna take minimum four months
[37:46] if it's hurried
[37:47] » At least.
[37:47] » Yeah, if it's hurried. But six months
[37:50] probably.
[37:50] » Well, and of course they're not they're
[37:52] not would we need to capture summer
[37:54] numbers and everything too? Would we
[37:56] have to go through a
[37:57] » Yeah.
[37:58] » Yeah.
[38:00] » It would be it'd be more expedited this
[38:02] time because we have all that data now
[38:05] with our new system, right?
[38:06] » Oh, true. the previous the previous
[38:08] system we were looking at okay let's
[38:11] look at inventory let's look at churn
[38:13] let's look at
[38:14] » You know what is the bar you know best
[38:16] possible options for you know paid
[38:18] parking moving forward and this is what
[38:21] the city arrived at is our current
[38:23] scenario
[38:24] » Which has worked really really well we
[38:26] have created turnover
[38:28] um you know we don't have long-term
[38:30] parkers and spots that should be for
[38:32] patrons of different establishments or
[38:34] customers um So we would have a lot of
[38:39] the data. Oh, and the old study in 2017
[38:41] also included
[38:43] um looking at, you know, parking
[38:46] structures, things like that. You know,
[38:47] what would our options be? What would
[38:49] that look like from a cost standpoint?
[38:51] You know, tens of millions of dollars,
[38:53] you know, what is your long-term
[38:54] maintenance on those facilities look
[38:55] like, which is a lot. Um, so this one, I
[39:00] think, be done quite a bit quicker, but
[39:02] you'd have the RFP process to begin
[39:04] with, right? So you'd have to go through
[39:06] that. The I'm assuming the the
[39:09] commission would then forward on a
[39:11] recommendation for a preferred vendor
[39:12] with a cost estimate and then I would
[39:16] say
[39:18] from there
[39:18] » So that's going to take several months
[39:19] just right there.
[39:20] » Yes.
[39:22] Um, I would really like to see more
[39:25] information from Saranda on how many
[39:27] people are
[39:30] are in their offices
[39:33] each week or you know each day so that
[39:36] we know what the real need is because I
[39:39] mean we don't have any data from them on
[39:42] what they what they really need
[39:47] and is this just because they want the
[39:49] convenience of parking on the same side
[39:52] of the building as their door or
[39:56] um is is are the is the parking lot on
[39:59] the other side of the building full all
[40:01] the time?
[40:03] » So, I'd like to I'd like to get more
[40:05] information from Saranda.
[40:06] » River City C Center's parking when that
[40:08] project was approved is maxed out,
[40:10] right? So they're required to provide a
[40:12] certain number of parking spots for the
[40:15] redevelopment of that project back 2018
[40:18] certain 201819
[40:20] » Right
[40:21] » So they don't have any extra spaces to
[40:23] spare now the Saranda space or proposed
[40:26] Saranda space or the space of the
[40:28] already
[40:28] » Is part of that calculation right okay
[40:32] » So um this is in addition to that
[40:37] um the one and I don't know if it's been
[40:39] you know stated yet. But you know the
[40:41] one thing and the question is is you
[40:44] know how far are people willing to you
[40:46] know walk or you know travel to get to
[40:49] their place of business. We don't have a
[40:52] permit parking lot in the south end of
[40:54] town.
[40:55] » That's true.
[40:56] » Right in the very south south side. So
[40:58] the closest option they would have would
[41:00] be likely Williams.
[41:03] So,
[41:05] » I' I'd like to see them make the case
[41:07] for us that they really have a need for
[41:09] this for these park the parking. I mean,
[41:12] they made the request, but they I don't
[41:14] think that they've sold the concept to
[41:16] us.
[41:18] So,
[41:20] um I think that would be a minimum next
[41:23] step
[41:25] is to get data on what their real needs
[41:28] are.
[41:32] Go on, just to be devil's advocate, what
[41:35] who's then going to look at all the
[41:36] charts and numbers and say, "Ah, now
[41:38] they do need it or now they don't." I
[41:40] mean,
[41:41] » They're obviously going to say, "We we'd
[41:42] like that for our employees, right?"
[41:44] » And the city's going to say, "Well, I
[41:45] don't know if we want to spare that
[41:46] eight hour." So,
[41:48] » I don't disagree. We're kind of working
[41:50] blind, but again, they made the request,
[41:52] » But it's basically the city to make that
[41:54] available for eight hours regardless of
[41:57] who made the request. It's because
[41:59] again, anyone can park there even during
[42:01] business hours.
[42:02] » Uh it's not private. So, um I'm okay
[42:06] with, you know, if we're waiting for
[42:08] more information, but um I don't know if
[42:10] that's going to shine a light on on a on
[42:12] the answer yes or no on this.
[42:15] » So, does does
[42:18] I I'm hearing all this and I I I'm not
[42:20] disagreeing with anything I've heard. Um
[42:25] does uh coming into this part of the
[42:26] season, boating is pretty much done. Uh
[42:30] things slow down down there. Is it does
[42:33] the ordinance allow us to do a prora
[42:35] six-mon thing until allow for the
[42:38] parking there, permit parking until the
[42:40] boat launch opens again?
[42:42] » Could I mean I think he's looking now,
[42:44] but you could probably assign a just a
[42:46] six months to it.
[42:48] » That's kind of
[42:49] » With this. Yeah. With an end date.
[42:51] » Yeah.
[42:53] allow us to complete a study, too.
[42:55] » Yeah. And I want
[42:56] » That's what I'm thinking. It gives us
[42:57] room then to to get a study in. Uh
[43:02] » Is any thought on that, Mike?
[43:03] » No, I I just want to say I remember
[43:05] Brent, correct me if I'm wrong. I want
[43:06] to say at the parking commission two
[43:09] meetings ago, they said it was 30ish
[43:12] permits that they would be coming in for
[43:17] and they would not all be utilized.
[43:20] They're they're going to request 30
[43:22] permits for 25 spots,
[43:25] » Right? Well, we we allow we applications
[43:28] for
[43:28] » I didn't know how many per I didn't know
[43:30] how that worked. How many uh
[43:31] » Yeah, they're not like filling them all
[43:33] at one time.
[43:33] » So, we over book
[43:34] » If they have 30 employees that may or
[43:36] not
[43:37] » Well, they can park anywhere.
[43:38] » Yeah.
[43:41] So, I'm I would like to postpone this
[43:45] discussion till our next meeting and see
[43:47] if we can get some more data on what
[43:49] their needs really are and how many
[43:51] employees they've got on a typical day.
[43:54] That's working in that
[43:57] um building and how many parking spots
[44:01] are available in the parking lot on that
[44:04] side of the building for those
[44:05] employees.
[44:12] Is that a motion sort of?
[44:14] » I'll make that a motion. Can
[44:18] » With what the mayor said, is that
[44:20] something that we can kind of roll and
[44:21] now we're just kind of globbing stuff
[44:23] onto this motion, but um to see if
[44:26] realistically the the um the boat launch
[44:30] could be a six-month
[44:33] » Solution
[44:33] » Solution to actually what I was
[44:35] » That would be permitted. They'd still
[44:36] have to buy a permit for that.
[44:37] » What I was suggesting actually is that
[44:39] the 25 spots be 6 months.
[44:42] » Okay.
[44:42] » Yeah. Put a sunset on the 25 spots.
[44:44] » Yeah.
[44:45] » Oh. That we try it for 6 months and see
[44:47] how it works.
[44:47] » Well, just through the season through
[44:49] the through the winter because that's
[44:51] it's very slow down there through
[44:53] through this part of the year. That's
[44:54] what we're hearing, right?
[44:55] » Yeah.
[44:56] » And April one or whatever it is.
[44:58] » And then what I guess it's got conflated
[45:00] with me saying then when the boating
[45:02] season starts, that's when things
[45:03] activity starts picking up again in
[45:05] March. end of March, April. Uh and uh
[45:09] and that would buy us some time to maybe
[45:11] get a study in and start to look at this
[45:13] and come up with a permanent decision on
[45:16] what we're what we would do.
[45:19] » I'm thinking that we just wait to make a
[45:22] decision until and suggest that they use
[45:25] the the boat ramp um starting October
[45:28] 1st
[45:29] » For eight hours.
[45:31] » Well, there aren't any regulations that
[45:33] would prevent them from doing that. We
[45:35] make that recommendation to them. If
[45:36] they want a spot for 8 hours, they can
[45:38] park there starting October 1st.
[45:41] » Mike Morz, do we
[45:44] » Maintain?
[45:45] » Do we charge during the winter?
[45:48] » No.
[45:49] » The only problem is then we have to
[45:51] remove snow. I mean, if there's pile
[45:53] » Because it's a liability.
[45:54] » Yep.
[45:55] » Yeah. So then maybe what we do is we
[45:57] make that a a permit lot during the
[46:01] winter
[46:02] so that we bring in some revenue to help
[46:06] pay for snow plowing on that. I don't
[46:08] really want to make
[46:10] » Sure the revenue offsets the expense to
[46:13] » Yeah. I I don't want to add more plowing
[46:15] to your guys because I know they've got
[46:16] plenty to do as it is.
[46:22] » We usually
[46:23] » Yeah. Excuse me.
[46:24] » Sorry.
[46:28] And I think especially if the request
[46:30] was we're looking at those 25 spots,
[46:33] maybe we don't have to plow the entire
[46:35] boat launch. Maybe the that, you know,
[46:39] Eastern League lineup there probably has
[46:42] 25 spots. I would like to make it part
[46:45] of our system. So you either pay by the
[46:47] hour or permit so we so we can capture
[46:51] that income.
[46:52] » Um
[46:55] Yeah. And I I I think that that's
[46:59] I think that's a good solution and then
[47:01] see what happens come spring. If you
[47:03] want to do or if we want to do some more
[47:05] studying things, um we can at least get
[47:07] that revenue and not you know, it'd be
[47:10] hard to say no to to this request and
[47:12] then for the next 6 months it's just
[47:14] empty down there and we say nope, we
[47:16] can't do it. So I I like that solution.
[47:20] I just think that it's this would buy us
[47:23] some time to get some more information.
[47:26] » Yeah.
[47:27] Not that the other thing to consider is
[47:30] signage.
[47:32] » We'd have to install some signage to
[47:33] enforce it. Um
[47:35] » Revision
[47:36] » Ordinance revision. We'd have to, you
[47:39] know, so I mean it's
[47:41] » There is some leg work on this that we
[47:42] would have to do.
[47:43] » Yeah. I guess should you note that this
[47:44] is a ordinance revision to allow for
[47:47] these parking spaces that
[47:49] » Okay. I think that
[47:51] » Even the 25 would be an ordinance.
[47:53] » 25 is an ordinance.
[47:54] » Okay. So, and we're saying the lot would
[47:56] be one too.
[47:59] » That's a good question. I
[48:01] » Well, you could try it on a temporary
[48:02] basis before
[48:04] » You stick on signage and
[48:05] » You still have to sign it and you still
[48:07] have to maintain it, right?
[48:10] » One thing that's clean about this doing
[48:12] the 25 spaces is the signage is there.
[48:14] It's available. We can put that up
[48:16] pretty easily. We can take it down just
[48:18] as easy if you wanted to do it for six
[48:22] months while we study.
[48:25] » That would be my recommendation.
[48:27] » And just so that they're aware that of
[48:29] course it would be they're getting a
[48:30] six-month permit and that may go away or
[48:33] may not.
[48:34] » Yep.
[48:34] » So we prorate a one-year permit for 6
[48:37] months for them.
[48:38] » Yeah.
[48:38] » And then we put up signs. Do we have to
[48:41] change do we have to do anything with
[48:42] the ordinance before we do that?
[48:47] I would just I would just do it on a
[48:48] probationary period at probationary
[48:51] basis at this point.
[48:52] » Do we need to put a probationary sign
[48:53] up?
[48:55] » Whatever you'd like, mayor,
[48:56] » I don't want to do I don't want to put I
[48:58] don't want an expense of putting signs
[48:59] up.
[49:02] » Is that
[49:04] » So
[49:04] » Agreeable to you?
[49:06] » Yeah.
[49:08] » Rich's motion.
[49:10] » Yeah. All right, Sam, what do you got?
[49:16] a motion from no one in particular.
[49:20] I
[49:20] » I would say address the first motion. It
[49:22] probably fail for lack of second
[49:25] potentially, right?
[49:26] » So now we need a fresh motion.
[49:28] » Well, I'm just saying is there a second?
[49:31] I can't ask. Well, you can withdraw it.
[49:33] » I'll withdraw.
[49:34] » I guess I thought it would.
[49:35] » I'll withdraw it.
[49:36] » Okay,
[49:36] » Let's start over.
[49:37] » I just want to make sure we're clean.
[49:38] » Let's have a Yes. Let's have a clean
[49:40] motion.
[49:41] » Okay.
[49:42] » You want me to make a motion? Sure. I'll
[49:43] make a motion to
[49:46] um change the uh existing 25 to
[49:52] permitted work permitted 8 hour
[49:55] um
[49:56] » Oh, I thought we weren't going to change
[49:57] those. I thought we were going to just
[49:58] let them park in the the lot across the
[50:01] street.
[50:03] » Well, it's cleaner to to to have it here
[50:05] with the the A and B. We got We've got
[50:07] the signage ready for it. It's it's
[50:08] available.
[50:09] » Yeah. Prorating the 25.
[50:11] » The 25.
[50:12] » All right. So we allow them those for
[50:13] the winter. Okay.
[50:15] » Yeah.
[50:15] » Yep. For a sixmonth period starting
[50:20] » October one.
[50:21] » Yeah.
[50:25] » And
[50:27] probationary.
[50:28] » Okay. Need anything else?
[50:30] » I don't think so.
[50:31] » All right. Penny second. I'll second it.
[50:36] » Any discussion?
[50:40] » All those in favor? I I
[50:41] » Opposed. Motion's approved.
[50:44] » I've got nothing. Anybody?
[50:45] » Well, is is there a part of this that's
[50:48] a recommendation then to the
[50:50] » The parking committee
[50:52] » To start a process for a new study?
[50:56] » Yes.
[50:56] » Then we'll do a separate motion.
[50:57] » I'll do a separate motion to recommend
[50:59] that um we also
[51:03] » Recommend to the park
[51:04] » Recommend a a parking study to the
[51:06] parking board.
[51:07] » Yep.
[51:08] » A second.
[51:09] » Okay. Motion second. Discussion.
[51:11] All those in favor?
[51:13] » I
[51:13] » Oppose. Motion's approved.
[51:15] » All right. I still have nothing.
[51:18] » Move to adjurnn.
[51:19] » Second.
[51:20] » Motion. Second to adjurnn. All those in
[51:21] favor? I stand adjourned. Thanks
[51:24] everybody. We'll give it five minutes.
[51:26] We'll get started.