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Hello

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and welcome

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City of Cleveland Airport Board Meeting

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for July 9th, 2026. If we could stand,

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we'll start with the invocation and

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pledge.

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Dearly Father, we thank you for this

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day. We thank you for the

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opportunity to come and serve the

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City of Cleveland and the

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users and tenants at the uh

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Cleveland Municipal Airport. We pray for

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your wisdom and guidance in our

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discussion.

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Uh give us discernment on any decisions

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that we make and bless this time

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together.

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In Christ's name we pray. Amen.

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» Let's pledge allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Texas flag.

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Honor the Texas flag.

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I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas.

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One state, under God, one and

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indivisible.

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» Thank you.

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Now for the roll call, we'll start at

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the end. At the end

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you have Mr. Jake Litwin, board member.

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Next to him is Greg Modl, board member.

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Brian Stafford, board member.

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Eric, airport manager. And to my right

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is Albert Cabrera, board member. And I'm

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Hugh McFarland, the board chair.

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We have uh

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no one here from the public to provide

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public comment, so we'll skip past that

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and uh

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we'll move to the reports and comments

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from board members.

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Uh so we'll start at the end. Uh Jake,

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do you have anything to add?

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» I do have something to add. So

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I got a huge shout-out to Eric. Uh

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talked to one of the attendants out

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there.

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Was that an on? Nope, here we go. Uh I

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got a shout-out for Eric. Uh was hugely

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helpful for a Cessna 340 getting that in

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there the other day. I'm sure you know

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who that's from.

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» Good. What were they Were they Was it

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the aircraft in difficulty or is it just

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a a technical

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» Yeah, so he was just uh so we had

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another pilot that was kind of pointing

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at him and he was like, "Hey, what's

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going on?" And so he's about to take

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off. Essentially had his flaps down, so

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it was Hey, just make sure your flaps

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are are up before you take off.

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» Hm. Oh, excellent.

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Thanks for your observation. That's

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» I have no comment, thank you.

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Mr. Stafford, Brian.

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» I have one. Um I recently attended an

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air show at Texarkana

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and they had a very interesting

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on unleaded fuel for airports. We've

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kind of talked about this before, but

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they have this program the EAA has put

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out, it's called Eagle.

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apparently all airports have to be

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um completely unleaded. In other words,

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no leaded 100 LL by the year of 2030.

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see if I don't know I'm new here, so I

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don't know if you all have discussed

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this in the past and what our plans are

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moving forward to make our airport

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unleaded.

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» We have not had this

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to my knowledge any discussion on

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unleaded aviation fuel. I know it's been

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a hot topic out on the West Coast for

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some time, but uh

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fortunately it hasn't made it here

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to my knowledge. Eric, have you heard

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anything on that from a management side?

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» Uh no, and it's kind of been thrown out.

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fuel farm training and it was just

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thrown out there as well.

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discussion to talk about a little bit

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more research for an agenda item and

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then we could talk about uh

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that for our um our next meeting.

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from uh the FAA and the engine

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manufacturers and there's been a

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debate about the

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distribution of

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uh unleaded avgas.

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aware and on the front end of that as

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much as we can.

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but we haven't had any formal

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discussions. Yes, sir.

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certainly moving in that direction

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nationally, but I had not heard that we

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had an absolute date

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marked on the calendar saying it's got

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to be done by here. I hadn't heard that

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yet. So,

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» Yeah. So, we know research it, go to

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faa.gov and just

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um do the search tool and look up the

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word Eagle.

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» And you know, it it pulls right up.

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» Okay. Great. I'll look into that. Thank

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» Not right now. Thank you.

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to mention on that. So,

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we'll go to the manager's report. Mr.

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» Um so, we're in the month of you know

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collecting the last little bit of rent

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for that

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for the tenants for the airport and

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currently trying to get some maintenance

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issues done but pretty much that's all I

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» I know that you had mentioned one time

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that we had a conversation about

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resurfacing or something the striping

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resurfacing with some of the funds. Is

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» Yeah, that's part of the maintenance.

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council has approved moving forward

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using highlight aviation services for

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remarking of the runway and taxiways.

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PO has been submitted and so now we're

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just waiting for their timeline to see

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to get it done.

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this month depending on how their

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schedule looks like.

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a few days of closing to get that done.

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entirely or could we do it in sections

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some access to the runway is it

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manager yet. I'm waiting for his phone

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call but

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what I gather it looks like it's going

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to be closing of the entire runway to

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get it done. This should be So, they

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have to demo all the old stuff. So,

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it'll probably take a week I think to

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get all that stuff done.

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a week of demo and then restriping. Is

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only take just a week in total totality.

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» Okay. So, we could uh

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then I would certainly ask that we would

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get as much notice as we could on that.

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» As soon as we hear um

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the schedules, we'll definitely uh push

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it out to everybody to let everybody be

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aware of when uh that schedule will

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» All right, consideration and possible

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action on the following uh

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approval of uh meeting minutes

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the regular meeting in February 12th and

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special called meeting in March 17th.

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Anybody recommend the approval of those

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draw on both of those. All right.

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Mr. Drake, okay.

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uh meeting minutes have been approved

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the February 12th and March 17th uh

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Our discussion and possible

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recommendation to council on the

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following, the airport layout plan for

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board member input.

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there was a a presentation by the city

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uh to tenants on this

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previously. I personally was not there.

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uh we wanted to kind of bring it towards

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the board to to discuss it, and that's

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trying to accomplish tonight.

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to accomplish that, uh we invited

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Woolpert back over, and so they'll give

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us a uh a short presentation of what was

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discussed and um

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their final uh hopefully um

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recommendations for the ALP.

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All right, thank you.

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» Um present our our final layout here if

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you like. I can share my screen.

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» All right, we see that.

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present what we have here. Let me

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» Yes, sir.

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» Okay, great. Well, um yeah, we on May

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uh to a city council during workshop.

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members of city council as well as

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attendees, uh airport tenants at the

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airport that were there as well.

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We've got your comments and we've made

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some adjustments to this layout to

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around the existing terminal building.

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Uh the thought was it would be

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beneficial to keep the terminal building

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as it is today

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and um build around that. Uh that that

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might be usable for

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uh future flight school or or tenant

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use, a pilot lounge,

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um anybody that is accessing the

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airfield. Um

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One thing that I I mentioned during the

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workshop was our interest in separating

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the the visitors, the non-aeronautical

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visitors, the general public to the

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airport from

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uh the aircraft movement areas and the

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remainder of the airfield. And so, what

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we show here is a

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a new terminal building that will house

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the FBO,

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lounge facilities,

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perhaps even a restaurant, just the the

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public use, public access area of the

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airport. And then right after the

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entrance of that um into the next to the

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parking lot for that, we have a a gate

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that would separate um those that are

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visiting the airport and for general

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purpose from the tenants and users that

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have access to the airfield. So, we're

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wanting to separate those

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those visitors, those that have aircraft

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or reason to be on in the movement area

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opposed to those that are just visiting

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the airport. And so, we have a gate here

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that will separate those uses.

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Pilots,

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those that are are aeronautical in

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nature can drive down the access road as

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it is today.

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And then you'll see that there are

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several turn-off locations for vehicles

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to access either the far side of the

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of the terminal or the the hangar areas.

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Others also roadways that lead to some

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of the general hangar areas,

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but these are onto

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taxiways and movement areas, and that's

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why we wanted to separate those uses.

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So, and that's the main reason that we

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initially thought, well, removing the

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terminal building as it is today might

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be beneficial because we're trying to

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segregate those users. But if it were to

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stay

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as pilot we use lounge, flight school

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perhaps,

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then then that building could stay. In

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our initial plan, we showed a hangar in

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this location.

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Um we could not keep that hangar if

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we're going to keep the existing

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terminal building uh, because it would

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be too close to the runway and taxiway

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system. So, the idea would be to bridge

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the the existing apron to one of the

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other apron areas and taxi lane areas.

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We would bridge that to provide a a

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thoroughfare or additional parking

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um, and and bridge those pavement areas

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and retain the terminal area and the

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facilities within it.

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Um,

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the hangar area that we documented at

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the last time we showed a mix of

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T-hangars, box hangars.

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Um, those would remain here. We have Our

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goal is to provide a variety of

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uh,

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uh, hangar types to attract and

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accommodate various users to the

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airport. So, here you see a collection

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of 14 box uh, sorry, 14 T-hangar nested

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T-hangars. And then we also have a

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collection of uh, box hangars. I believe

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these measure 60 by 60. Uh, be able to

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accommodate, you know, most of the

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aircraft that are are based at the

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airport today and many of those that are

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on the wait list.

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Um, another significant project that

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we're showing in this plan is the uh,

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redevelopment of this taxiway.

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Um, the primary purpose for that is to

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achieve necessary separation to meet FAA

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design standards. When this airport

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someday reaches what we call a B2

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classification,

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that would be used to accommodate

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business jet type aircraft, a greater

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separation of the taxiway would be

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necessary in this area. The existing

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taxiway,

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um,

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uh, along this side of the airport

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is adequate. It's It's separated by 240

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ft. We're looking just to separate this

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segment in red here, the existing

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taxiway, by 240 ft. And then that would

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create this full-length parallel taxiway

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without a jog in it that you have today.

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Uh, this area is shaded in red to show

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the demolition of this segment of

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pavement. Main reason for that

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is to, uh,

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to, uh, require pilots to take a 90°

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turn as they taxi from the apron area to

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the runway. The idea here is is to avoid

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a direct connection between the apron

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and the runway without the pilot having

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to make a conscious turn. That's an FAA

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directive. It helps reduce, uh,

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accidental runway incursion by by, uh,

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creating a upturn for the pilot to make

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and consciously,

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um,

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renew his kind of awareness of of where

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he is on the airfield, taxiway versus

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runway.

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Um, here we're showing additional apron

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area, just the expansion of this to

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allow for increased aircraft, uh,

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taxiing and parking near the terminal

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area. So it's kind of an easy in and out

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type of operation here,

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um, letting the letting pilots and

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transients use this area. Uh, this area

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would be served by,

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um,

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uh, fuel through a fuel truck. We would

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We would keep the existing fuel

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facilities where they are. Um, they

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would be,

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uh, in any future fuel expansion or

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development would be still accommodated

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within this, uh, area if we need to.

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They We have plenty of room for

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expansion or changes in the fuel system

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in this area if they were necessary.

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Um this hangar which is really not there

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today, we're showing as existing because

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there is an existing plan for this box

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hangar here.

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Now we showed some options for accessing

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that. Either it would be within this

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area here, this existing taxi lane, or

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we we've shown some additional pavement

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if the hangar were to have an access

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uh to this area,

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um they would be able to access it from

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from either this side or this side

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depending on

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um how the doors are configured and the

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the building is erected.

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Um you can see we're adding vehicle

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parking throughout this layout just to

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expand

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parking for

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uh users and tenants, um visitors down

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here at the terminal building and so on.

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So there weren't a lot of changes from

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our initial draft. I wanted to just

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briefly go over the entire plan with you

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uh just because I know some of you were

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not there at our uh workshop with the

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city council.

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But um be happy to address any questions

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or comments that you may have.

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» I have one uh

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Tony on the

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the red section of the

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uh

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the

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area that you described to prevent uh

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the

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aircraft uh from

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you know, entering the runway. You said

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they wanted to make a a 90° turn that

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area right there. Is that

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» Yes.

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» How is that accomplished cuz that looks

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like they're just

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uh

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» That it it could be one of two ways. Um

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this we're showing as demo, we would

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demo this pavement.

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» Okay.

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» However, um there is the option to

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simply paint that pavement. You might

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have seen at some commercial airports

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where they have areas of

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pavement painted green, you know, kind

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of like an island. Um that's a

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possibility here without having to

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remove the pavement, you could actually

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stripe it, paint a solid color so that

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it's obvious to a pilot that this is not

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movement area.

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» Okay. And the other sections up along

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the the main entrance road uh a beam the

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where the aviation

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uh

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» Right here?

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» Yeah, that those sections that are red

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in there. What is that indicating?

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» Those Yeah, that's the removal of

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pavement. Um so here we have the

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entrance road going to the existing

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terminal building. That would come out.

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Um

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Um that would allow us to build

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additional hangars here.

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Um some existing taxiway connections and

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roadway connections we would modify. We

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would narrow this existing what what's

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existing as kind of like a taxiway

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today, we would basically reconstruct

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this as roadway for vehicle vehicle

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access and not aircraft. And then we

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would build a a new taxiway connector

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here to allow a more efficient use of

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aircraft movement without having to go

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where parked vehicles are or down here

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where we have hangar development. So

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this the Yeah, this red area here as

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well as this is shown in red to

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represent uh demolished pavement.

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» Okay, thank you.

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» You're welcome.

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» Hey Tony, this is Greg Model and uh

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thank you again for joining us this

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evening. Um I did attend the workshop

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and I thought of something else after

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that that I wanted to bring up uh

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tonight. And that is um on the north

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side during the demo area where

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currently hangar Q rests

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and that's being marked for demolition

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which we expect. Um

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» Mhm.

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» So as tenants

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of the field who hangar do their

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self-service fuel, they're ready to

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depart on runway 16,

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what's your vision for the run-up area?

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» Yeah, I was thinking about that this

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morning. Um

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we we did not show a run-up area

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uh here. Generally, you you would have a

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run-up. Um I will look into that, but I

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do like that idea. Uh similar to the

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other end of the runway, we're showing a

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a run-up area right here at the corner

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where the turn is. Um

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I'm not sure if we have enough room to

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illustrate the run-up area without being

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on this pavement right here. The run-up

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should stand by itself and not be

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connected to other areas like this apron

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pavement here. So, I I will absolutely

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do that, show a run-up area here. That

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might mean that we have to narrow this

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pavement here, which I don't think is uh

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a deal breaker. I think we could narrow

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this slightly and then show our run-up

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area here. I like that idea. Thank you.

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» And Johnny, while I'm while we're on

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that topic, where you currently have

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your cursor, that white pavement area,

563
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:17,000
uh that's existing pavement. That's

564
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:20,920
typically what is used as a run-up now.

565
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,320
Um runway 16, as I know you're aware, is

566
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,960
our primary use runway

567
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,400
uh because during calm winds or

568
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,520
predominant southerly winds, uh that's

569
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,080
where we are. So, a lot of heavy

570
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,920
traffic, so we do need some segregation

571
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,400
where people are not having to remain on

572
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,280
the taxiway in order to do their run-up.

573
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,160
So, whatever that solution is, I think

574
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840
it is something. I do have a question,

575
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,320
though. Um

576
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,840
» Okay.

577
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,520
» Since um is it

578
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,320
uh I don't know the right word. Is it

579
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:52,080
out of bounds, so to speak, to have a

580
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:54,400
run-up area in this case north of the

581
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,800
threshold of six, even though it's

582
00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,000
offset in line with the taxiway?

583
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,640
Is that in a runway protection zone or

584
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,560
or

585
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,200
the right phrase is? Or is that

586
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,760
allowable in the new construction?

587
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,960
» Um it

588
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,880
That's a great question, and it is not

589
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:14,240
in the runway protection zone. That's

590
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:18,520
starting right here, identified, but

591
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:20,920
it is not um an FAA design standard to

592
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,000
construct it before the threshold like

593
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,280
it is today.

594
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,400
» Okay.

595
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,920
» We would seek to We would seek to have

596
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120
it in line

597
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,720
or

598
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:32,760
or before the threshold if you're

599
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:36,520
taxiing down this taxiway. So, I would

600
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:40,240
not continue to show this. This is not a

601
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:42,160
customary layout that the FAA and TxDOT

602
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,520
would be supportive of.

603
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,560
» But, it could be used for parking for

604
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,600
the terminal terminal building.

605
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,360
» Yes, it could be Yeah, absolutely.

606
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,160
That's why we kept it here. We're not

607
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:54,040
showing that in red. We do want to

608
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,680
continue to use that. That's valuable

609
00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:00,240
pavement. You can park aircraft. You can

610
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:04,320
move and station them on this apron. Um

611
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,920
it just would not be a way to access the

612
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,560
runway from a run-up area.

613
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,120
» Okay.

614
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,400
» If I could add something to that, uh

615
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,800
Tony, uh

616
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,880
that area

617
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,640
if you're

618
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,560
if you move back on taxiway Alpha as

619
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,160
you're moving uh

620
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,360
from that area where your cursor is,

621
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,480
if you

622
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,600
just to the north of that, if it bulged

623
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600
out,

624
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,200
uh kind of

625
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,160
» Oh, right here?

626
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,480
» Uh let's see where you

627
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,360
uh

628
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,160
» I'm at the intersection of the taxiway

629
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,680
and a connector?

630
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,560
» Yeah, if you go towards the approach

631
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:40,880
into 16 on that taxiway, and then as

632
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:42,920
after you pass that last hangar, and the

633
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,960
this Alpha the

634
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Alpha hangar there, if you keep going uh

635
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,000
to the

636
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,440
» Okay.

637
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,920
» Northwest there,

638
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,320
and

639
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,760
» Okay.

640
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,760
» Right after that little taxiway area

641
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:56,320
there, if if the taxiway if you

642
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,440
if it bulged out from there and

643
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:01,240
encroached on that

644
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,240
dark [clears throat] gray parking area

645
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:07,480
and then terminated

646
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:09,120
prior to that entrance taxiway.

647
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,520
It would be allow people that are coming

648
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,040
from all the

649
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,280
hangars and tingers to conduct their

650
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,960
run-up

651
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,960
prior to that taxiway that leads onto

652
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:21,880
the runway approaching the runway

653
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,280
and people that would not block area the

654
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:27,000
transient people coming from that

655
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,400
the FO

656
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,520
city building there onto the runway so

657
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,040
that

658
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:35,560
that taxiway is not encumbered uh for

659
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,040
people trying to do run-up. Everything

660
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,920
is conducted

661
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,240
to the southeast of the that final

662
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,800
taxiway.

663
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
And

664
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,840
you know, that would you would lose some

665
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,760
aircraft parking in that area, but that

666
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:49,480
could maybe be compensated with that

667
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,640
area the the white area that Gray was

668
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,600
mentioning.

669
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,600
And uh

670
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,720
cuz I don't think you want aircraft

671
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,960
congregating down at the

672
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,360
approaching taxiway entrance to the

673
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,120
runway trying to do run-ups.

674
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,440
» Right.

675
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,960
» Right where your cursor is there, if

676
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,840
that bulged out

677
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,280
and into a

678
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,080
» Yeah, bulged out into here.

679
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,240
» Yes. Yes, sir. All that was considered a

680
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,160
run-up area and then you would have the

681
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200
taxiway that would connect that new ramp

682
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,400
area.

683
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Wouldn't be So, anybody that goes past

684
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,760
that, they're ready for departure.

685
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,960
They're not being held up if they're

686
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,680
waiting their IFR clearance or whatnot.

687
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,520
We don't

688
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,240
» Right.

689
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,240
» You know

690
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,840
» Yeah, that's Yeah, that's exactly

691
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,640
um

692
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,640
that's exactly what my thinking is is

693
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,240
that we we put that run-up area

694
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,200
somewhere along here, and you're right,

695
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,240
that would have

696
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:44,360
that would require us to narrow this

697
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:48,240
slightly, but that that is fine. We have

698
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:52,920
abundant area here. We initially showed

699
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:55,280
this area wide enough to allow aircraft

700
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,920
to fully station outside of this hangar

701
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,920
right here. That's why it's as wide as

702
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:05,200
it as it is. We can narrow it and allow

703
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,360
aircraft to taxi here back and forth,

704
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,240
um

705
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:11,680
but it may require aircraft that are in

706
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:15,640
these hang uh just along the the face of

707
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,120
these hangars here to to only stage

708
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,680
briefly

709
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:22,000
to allow aircraft to to move back and

710
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:25,000
forth along those hangars without you

711
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,000
know impeding traffic.

712
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,040
» Okay.

713
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,680
Yeah, from this diagram it looks like

714
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,400
the people in that that parallel hangar

715
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,800
complex uh

716
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,520
would enter the taxiway from that

717
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960
southeast side.

718
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,040
» Mhm.

719
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,080
» So, they wouldn't come in right into

720
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,520
that gray area. They would go out to the

721
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,400
southeast and then to the west and then

722
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760
join that taxiway, right?

723
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,320
» Right.

724
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,760
» Just like they do today.

725
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,160
» Yeah.

726
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360
» Yeah.

727
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,320
» Right, just like they do today. This

728
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:55,000
would Yeah, this configuration

729
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,960
essentially allows for aircraft to taxi

730
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,480
past them as they're in position on this

731
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,960
taxi lane right here.

732
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,200
» Okay.

733
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:05,240
» If we have to narrow this

734
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,040
and take out some of this new pavement

735
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,360
here, we might have to share this taxi

736
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,680
lane with those aircraft going to the

737
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:16,480
terminal area and the ones that are

738
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,320
staging outside of these hangars.

739
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,040
» But wouldn't that area that parallel

740
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,800
what what complex

741
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,240
» What is that? That's

742
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,320
» Alpha.

743
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,360
» Alpha complex. Okay. Alpha hangars.

744
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,320
» Mhm.

745
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,520
» Isn't that segregated from the this

746
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,920
tenant

747
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,240
uh general parking area?

748
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,680
Cuz you're you're wanting to segregate

749
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,280
uh general population transients from

750
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720
based, correct?

751
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,080
» Based?

752
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,320
» Yes. Yes, the the fence the fence or

753
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,160
gate would be right here right behind

754
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,360
the turn into the terminal building.

755
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,520
» Okay. So

756
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:53,160
» Will all be this will all be tenant and

757
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,720
uh

758
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,800
private use air air aeronautical.

759
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,560
» But But you're saying that they're

760
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,160
sharing this taxiway, the the tenants

761
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,080
and

762
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680
» The

763
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,560
the the aircraft that are taxing to this

764
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,440
terminal building

765
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,160
» Mhm.

766
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,880
» Would would taxi along this gray section

767
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,240
here

768
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,360
» Right.

769
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,920
» And would allow but would be separated

770
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,840
far enough to allow aircraft to stay and

771
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,240
stand by out here in front of those

772
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:24,800
hangars at the same time. If we have to

773
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:27,760
narrow this, we may not be able to have

774
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,080
that dual aircraft access

775
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,440
uh in this area. That's what I'm getting

776
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,120
at.

777
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520
» Okay. I I I I follow you now better.

778
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680
» Okay.

779
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,600
» So cuz you don't have the taxiway

780
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,040
connecting if you go all the way to the

781
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,960
approach end of 16, that taxiway that

782
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,560
makes it right right here.

783
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,480
» Right.

784
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:48,120
» We can't access that new area with the

785
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:52,200
taxiway to connect connecting there.

786
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:56,400
» Uh no. No, we we can't do that. For one,

787
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:58,160
we have direct apron to to to runway

788
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,320
access like I was talking about down

789
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,400
here. We would effectively be recreating

790
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,360
that if we copied that down here.

791
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,080
» Okay. That makes sense.

792
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,680
» Uh

793
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,440
and and the the other issue is you know,

794
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:14,360
like run up and movement area before the

795
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:17,320
threshold. Um that should be that should

796
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:20,120
be here. Um and that's why we've

797
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,760
separated these two areas effectively

798
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,360
with an island in between.

799
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
» Okay.

800
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,520
» So

801
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,720
So Tony, that this this whole area with

802
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,920
the the parallel hangar that I guess the

803
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Alpha hangar and the new area, all that

804
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,800
apron is all shared. There's no barrier

805
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,960
separating those two. I think that's

806
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,600
what you're getting at, sir. It's all

807
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,480
It's all open, but then the only access

808
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,000
to the taxi to the runway is through

809
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,120
um this is is there. Yeah.

810
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,520
» Yeah. Yeah.

811
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,160
» I was thinking there was a barrier or

812
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,480
something in between there to to

813
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,560
» No, no, there's no barrier. It's Yeah,

814
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,120
it's kind of kind of hard to visualize

815
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,520
when you have two different colors like

816
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,200
this, but yeah, I would consider this

817
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,960
all one

818
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,480
apron.

819
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400
» Okay.

820
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680
» A one movement uh pavement area.

821
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560
» Okay.

822
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,840
» When it's all done. The same for this.

823
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,840
This will be a large apron, much larger

824
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,960
than what it looks like here when dark

825
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:17,520
gray, because we'll be maintaining this

826
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:20,040
existing white pavement area that we

827
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,840
have today. So, it'll be connected to

828
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:25,520
it. This will be a pretty sizable

829
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,760
uh apron area, not not much

830
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,840
smaller than what we see down here.

831
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:34,040
» Okay. Is there anything at the other at

832
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,840
the 3-4 end that is not visible on this

833
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,000
diagram?

834
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,200
» Uh no, sir. We didn't show any other

835
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,720
development. I'll I'll show the whole

836
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,760
layout. Um this

837
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,000
this drawing shows what we call a

838
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,480
variety of building restriction lines.

839
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,640
I'm sorry, it it's a little messy, but

840
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,480
it shows us what what building heights

841
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,320
we're restricted to.

842
00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Uh but no, you can see down here on the

843
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:02,920
3-4 end, we don't have any additional um

844
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,840
uh landside facilities. We are

845
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,440
recommending runway end identifier

846
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,520
lights on each end of the runway.

847
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,760
That'll be included in the plan. That's

848
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,680
just not shown here.

849
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,880
» And the area that's on the that the the

850
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,440
service road that goes around the

851
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,080
the I guess that would be the east side.

852
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,840
Is that already

853
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,840
Is that airport property currently?

854
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,320
» Uh yes.

855
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,480
» Okay. So, there's no

856
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,200
» Um

857
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,760
» Land acquisition that has to take place

858
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,120
to accommodate what you've drawn.

859
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,080
» It it might be part of economic

860
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,200
development, but it's in in the county's

861
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,640
purview, yes.

862
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,640
» Okay, all right.

863
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Tony, this is Greg again.

864
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Just a G Wiz question. Some of the

865
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,520
things that are designated in green as

866
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,760
box hangers, is that all interchangeable

867
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,480
if at some point in the future due to

868
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,080
demand the city would to decide to make

869
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,280
those nested T hangers instead? All of

870
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,560
that is part of the evolution of this

871
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,280
plan, correct?

872
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:08,040
» Absolutely, yes. Yeah, that's an

873
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,600
important point to bring up that this is

874
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,680
just a basic idea of the direction that

875
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:16,360
the airport may want to go.

876
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:18,800
This plan is changeable. Uh TexDOT is

877
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,320
not going to hold your feet to the fire,

878
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,320
so to speak, with all of this

879
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:27,640
development. It's very flexible. The

880
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:31,080
idea is to show a concept of growth, um

881
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:33,440
a a way to meet a variety of needs, and

882
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:37,240
if that changes over time, this is

883
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,800
certainly um revisable. Not just not

884
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,520
just the types of hangers, but the

885
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,800
layout itself

886
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:46,960
is is really not set in stone. Um

887
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,480
it can change over time based upon the

888
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,040
airport's needs and the community and

889
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,920
it's focused on focus on airport

890
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,920
development.

891
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,240
» And one last question then, I don't mean

892
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,600
to dominate this thing, but right there

893
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,679
on the west side of the terminal built

894
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,800
existing terminal building,

895
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,720
uh where you've added pavement in dark

896
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,720
gray, and then immediately west of it is

897
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:20,320
still the light green that elongated

898
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:22,919
that is grass, I presume.

899
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,560
» Yeah, that's grass to maintain what we

900
00:34:22,919 --> 00:34:26,240
call a taxiway object-free area.

901
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,440
» Okay.

902
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:32,320
» So, that that emits from the center line

903
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:35,879
of the taxi lane to the edges of these

904
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:38,120
buildings and to uh not quite the edge

905
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:40,600
of this pavement here. It's It's in that

906
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,800
green area. So, we try to preserve

907
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,960
pavement area. It's It's really more

908
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,280
toward the close to the edge of these

909
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,879
green buildings here.

910
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,080
» Okay.

911
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:50,440
» That's the edge of the taxiway

912
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,240
object-free area.

913
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,919
» Okay. And I was actually referring to

914
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:57,640
the one even further west than that,

915
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:59,840
right adjacent to taxiway alpha.

916
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,560
That's the

917
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,960
» Oh, this area here?

918
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,600
» Be even further south.

919
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640
» It

920
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,720
» I mean uh west, further west. Excuse me,

921
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
I'm

922
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:10,480
» Right along the taxiway to

923
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,840
» Right along the taxiway alpha.

924
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,440
Keep coming down. There we go. That one

925
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,880
right there. That light green area

926
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,760
there, yes.

927
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,920
» Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

928
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,560
» That's okay.

929
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,000
» Um yeah, this is preserved as uh

930
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,240
essentially island area in between the

931
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,960
taxiway. This is the typical,

932
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:31,280
you know, island that you would see

933
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:33,440
between an apron area and a a taxiway.

934
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,080
It's certainly developable. I mean, you

935
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,880
you have that today. You have a taxiway

936
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,800
along the edge of the apron, which is

937
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,320
very very common.

938
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,040
Um

939
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:47,360
but um yeah, we in this layout we chose

940
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:49,360
to preserve that island there. Um it

941
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,200
really wouldn't You wouldn't gain a

942
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,720
whole lot if you were to develop this.

943
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,760
You might have room for additional

944
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,920
tie-downs, but you would not have room

945
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
for any structures. It's too close to

946
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,880
the runway.

947
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,120
» What is the um distance, the closest

948
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,800
distance you can be to a taxiway with a

949
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,120
structure? Like you had mentioned you

950
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,080
had taken away your original plan for

951
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,600
the box hanger that would overlap the

952
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,440
existing

953
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,240
terminal building. You had to delete

954
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,960
that plan because it was too close to

955
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,600
the planned taxiway, I think you said.

956
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,440
What What is that distance? Just

957
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,440
curious.

958
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,720
» Um

959
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,520
in our ultimate configuration we're

960
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,000
attempting to accommodate C-II aircraft,

961
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,920
which is

962
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:38,120
mid-size corporate jet. Um the taxi lane

963
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:40,720
object free area, which is related to

964
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,920
all these hang the pavement in between

965
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,240
hangars

966
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:51,360
is 110 ft of separation. That's from

967
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:54,240
edge to edge of that object free area or

968
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,840
you know, or what is it? 55 ft from the

969
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,800
center line of the taxiway or taxi lane

970
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,640
in this case going out.

971
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,760
» Okay, thank you, Tanya.

972
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,960
» You're welcome. It's a It's a greater

973
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,200
separation requirement for the taxiway

974
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,520
itself.

975
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Um taxi lanes, they can be a little bit

976
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,160
closer together because the aircraft are

977
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,640
moving slower.

978
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Um

979
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:20,080
but the way to think about it is a taxi

980
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:24,400
lane serves a taxiway. It leads to a

981
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:26,560
taxiway and a taxiway leads to a runway.

982
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:30,320
So, we have a lot of taxi lanes in this

983
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,320
configuration, as you can tell.

984
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,960
» Sir, a question. What is the number of

985
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:39,480
new hangars that we're expecting?

986
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,760
» Any other questions, comments, or ideas?

987
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,640
» Yes, sir. Hello.

988
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,680
Um what is the number of new hangars

989
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:48,080
we're expecting to have at the airport?

990
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,000
» Uh we have 14 T-hangars in this

991
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,320
configuration.

992
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:56,120
Um and then we have I believe it was 14.

993
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Maybe I might be wrong here. We got six,

994
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,880
11, 14

995
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:05,080
uh

996
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:07,120
and uh 18 18 box hangars.

997
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Um like I said, these I believe are 60

998
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,560
by 60. This one to clear a

999
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,560
a uh

1000
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:19,200
a right-of-way for a gas line. Uh this

1001
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:21,600
is a little smaller. This is a 50 by 50.

1002
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,920
But there's uh yeah, there's

1003
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,240
some definite growth opportunities here.

1004
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Uh 18 box hangars, 14 T-hangars.

1005
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:31,600
Um

1006
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,520
that's not quite doubling the capacity

1007
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,320
of the airport, but the airport does

1008
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,720
have a significant

1009
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,320
uh waitlist.

1010
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,680
Um this again, this plan is intended to

1011
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:45,120
provide some flexibility

1012
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,400
so that you can develop um as warrant

1013
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:50,680
demands. If you would if you saw you

1014
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,440
know, interest in a tenant coming to the

1015
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:55,320
airport that was really interested in a

1016
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:58,360
box hangar, not necessarily a T-hangar,

1017
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,760
you could give them an idea of where

1018
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,480
um the airport envisions that happening.

1019
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,640
If you had if the count I'm sorry, if

1020
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:10,080
the city or a developer was interested

1021
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,760
in constructing a a T-hangar complex

1022
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,200
um you have a plan for that. So, it all

1023
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,440
depends on

1024
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,160
you know, the initiative behind it.

1025
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,720
These are ideas of where they can go.

1026
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,520
And like I said before, it can change.

1027
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,960
» Okay.

1028
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,080
Thank you. Is there anything else?

1029
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,360
» Yes, sir. A couple more if I may. What

1030
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,040
is the timeline for actually make a

1031
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,760
commitment on building these hangars and

1032
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,320
doing all these renovations?

1033
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:39,200
» We're going to do So, after the plan is

1034
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,280
approved, we do a phased uh

1035
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,240
um

1036
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,160
cost estimate around these projects and

1037
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:48,840
we phase them into

1038
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,640
a 0 to 5-year time frame, 5 to 10, and

1039
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,600
then a 10 to 20-year time frame.

1040
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,440
Um that's really just for developing

1041
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:59,040
cost estimates behind them. It's not

1042
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,200
necessarily phasing the projects because

1043
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,520
like I said, the demand for these

1044
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,960
facilities might

1045
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,400
might come and go depending upon

1046
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:12,440
interest. So, we're really just wanting

1047
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:15,600
to show what the rough cost would be for

1048
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,720
developing each kind of structure. The

1049
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,760
The exact timing of all of this is

1050
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:23,200
really up to the city and the interest

1051
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,720
that uh tenants display.

1052
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,840
» What's the atmosphere right now with the

1053
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,840
city as far as when they start doing it?

1054
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,360
» That might be a better question for

1055
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Eric.

1056
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,480
» Right on. Uh sir, one more thing. I

1057
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,400
heard you say you're going to put uh

1058
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,800
rail lights runway and fire lights.

1059
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,160
That's definitely a huge thing that we

1060
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,800
need. The the runway needs it.

1061
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Um what about approach lighting,

1062
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,360
non-precision approach lightings on both

1063
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,000
ends, 16 and 34? Uh I heard you

1064
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:56,040
mentioning uh we we have a goal to to

1065
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,600
bring at least uh up to mid-size level

1066
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,440
jets. Regardless, approach lights is is

1067
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,240
a safety issue for all types of

1068
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200
aircraft, but it's certainly something

1069
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:06,400
that it

1070
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,880
would attract um heavier aircraft uh for

1071
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,120
the safety reason as well. Um is there

1072
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:15,080
any talks going on on putting a system

1073
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:17,640
like, for example, ODALS, which would be

1074
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,280
a basic non-precision approach lights on

1075
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:23,280
both runways?

1076
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:26,640
» Uh I I uh

1077
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:29,920
Yeah, I did not show those um because

1078
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,800
the the ODALS system that would

1079
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,920
effectively lower your minimums

1080
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,120
um

1081
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,280
would

1082
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:40,920
would be nice, but the obstructions that

1083
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,080
we have along the length of the runway

1084
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,280
that are representing those those trees

1085
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:48,160
on the other side of the runway

1086
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:51,520
um a lot of clearing would be necessary

1087
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,440
to just bring your minimums down, and it

1088
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,200
would only result in a reduction of

1089
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,840
about a eighth mile visibility

1090
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,880
improvement.

1091
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,560
The the the

1092
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,160
I'm sorry.

1093
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,720
» I didn't mean to interrupt, but even

1094
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:07,000
without the lowering of the minimums,

1095
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:08,200
just to be able to find the runway when

1096
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
you come from different directions.

1097
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,800
That's huge.

1098
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,960
» Yeah. Oh, I agree. And yeah, one uh

1099
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,800
yeah, the the approach lighting system

1100
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,520
we're talking about is somewhat similar

1101
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,160
to Odell's. It doesn't have lead-in

1102
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,360
lights, but the runway end identifier

1103
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,880
lights that I'm talking about are

1104
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,560
strobes that are

1105
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,840
adjacent to each end of each runway end.

1106
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,800
So, you have two on one end. They're not

1107
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,960
just threshold lights that show the

1108
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,800
barrier, but they're they're flashing

1109
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:45,440
strobes that pilots use to identify the

1110
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:48,800
runway end. And that's really the best

1111
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:51,480
method for identifying runway end and

1112
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,560
and really as a simple way

1113
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,360
to

1114
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,720
manage the improve the approach and the

1115
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,200
visibility of the runway for pilots.

1116
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:00,800
» I agree. And I'm familiar with

1117
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,040
» That's what we're talking about for each

1118
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,160
end.

1119
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,800
» I'm familiar with rails.

1120
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,000
But,

1121
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,360
I wanted to also add a little small

1122
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,120
rabbit

1123
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,240
what what they call a rabbit light up

1124
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,240
that leads onto

1125
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,120
or into the the fresh way the runway

1126
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,280
threshold. Um okay. Which is something

1127
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,000
like Odell's or similar. That's what it

1128
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,920
provides. That's incredibly

1129
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,680
helpful when you're coming in from a

1130
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,800
distance and you trying and you're

1131
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,320
coming in at an angle. So,

1132
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,200
» Sure.

1133
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160
» Adding that would be a good discussion

1134
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,400
to have. That's what we're trying to

1135
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,800
bring up. We would like to have it, I

1136
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,160
would say. I would take the liberty to

1137
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,240
say, yeah.

1138
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,160
» Yeah, absolutely. We will we will

1139
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,760
definitely show those.

1140
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,640
Um

1141
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,280
be happy to uh just providing some

1142
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,120
reasoning behind what we showed, but

1143
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,160
um yeah, the

1144
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,720
the

1145
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,400
the Odell's leading to the rails would

1146
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:56,400
be uh

1147
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,360
a very nice system to provide, you know,

1148
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,800
additional guidance to the runway end.

1149
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,960
» Yes, sir. And I'm not sure about the

1150
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,560
distance. I think it's 1,500 ft. I don't

1151
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,600
know if we would have that on 16.

1152
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,600
Maybe we would or it be close, but

1153
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,000
something

1154
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,840
that I think we should be able to look

1155
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,360
at. I hope that, uh, you guys can look

1156
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,520
at. So, one last comment is that some of

1157
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,000
the drainage ditches

1158
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,240
Yeah, that distance right there. I'm not

1159
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
sure how long it is, but

1160
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,200
» Uh, well, this

1161
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,440
It

1162
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,120
» 160 all the way to the roadway. Yeah.

1163
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,040
» Yeah.

1164
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,840
» I think it's close.

1165
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,465
» Less than a It Well, this is This is

1166
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,880
less than a thousand feet.

1167
00:44:30,465 --> 00:44:33,520
» [clears throat and cough]

1168
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,600
» Um, the just as a

1169
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,520
a way of measuring, the distance from

1170
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:40,320
the threshold here to these aiming bars,

1171
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,480
it that's a thousand feet.

1172
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,360
» Okay.

1173
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:47,120
» So, the ODALS system, it can go over the

1174
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,480
road and into neighboring property if

1175
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,520
you were to

1176
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:54,400
acquire it or get easement to install a

1177
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
light there, that's definitely possible.

1178
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,560
» Yes, sir.

1179
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,080
» Uh, but it it may go into the property

1180
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,280
on the other side of the road.

1181
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760
» Yes, sir.

1182
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,520
» We're going to have to move from this

1183
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,000
topic

1184
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,840
» Uh

1185
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,440
» For the sake of time.

1186
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,280
» Yeah, absolutely.

1187
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,520
» Um

1188
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,600
Was there anything else that we could

1189
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,480
build on that? Tony, did you have

1190
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,040
anything else, uh, as far as that

1191
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,440
you wanted to

1192
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,920
» Uh

1193
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Uh No, sir. I I I Yeah, I've got some

1194
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,360
good direction here from this call.

1195
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,240
We'll We'll make some slight

1196
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,840
modifications, show the lights that we

1197
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:27,480
talked about, um, and finalize the

1198
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:29,160
layout, and then, um, I will, uh, pass

1199
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,160
the final

1200
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,760
development plan on to Eric, um, and to,

1201
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,520
um,

1202
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,560
to review further or approve, and we we

1203
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,600
wrap up this this project.

1204
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,640
» All right. Thank you very much. We

1205
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,360
appreciate your time and, uh,

1206
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,280
attention to it. Thank you.

1207
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,560
» Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

1208
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,880
Take care.

1209
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,360
» All right. Moving, uh, we need to We

1210
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,000
wanted to talk briefly on this item

1211
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600
three.

1212
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,760
» I'm sorry. Before we move on.

1213
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,920
» Yes, sir.

1214
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,160
» What is the deadline that we need to

1215
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480
have input gathered and provided to the

1216
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:03,040
city

1217
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:05,280
and Wolpert before they go forward with

1218
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,120
a plan to present to City Council for

1219
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,960
approval.

1220
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,560
» So right now they gave we gave you know

1221
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,040
you you gave recommendations on what

1222
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,760
you'd like to see.

1223
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,720
Um you'll put that together, provide to

1224
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,000
us, uh we'll make sure we look at it, uh

1225
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,320
see if it meets the recommendations of

1226
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,520
the city and then we'll present it to

1227
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,440
City Council, but we still have to get

1228
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,680
them uh to um

1229
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,080
get it to our agenda to to get that

1230
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,480
finalized, right? So uh

1231
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,760
it just depends on Woolpert on whatever

1232
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,200
their recommendations that would come

1233
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,600
out of that.

1234
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,200
» Didn't know if there was a contractual

1235
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,480
uh

1236
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,440
you know timeline that we're needing to

1237
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,120
have this done. In other words, is there

1238
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:44,520
some some calendar date driving

1239
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,200
decisions that we need to be mindful of?

1240
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,120
And the reason I ask, Eric, let me tell

1241
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,400
you the why first then I'll let you

1242
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,080
answer it. The reason I ask is is that

1243
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,440
we had the workshop and we had a few

1244
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,480
people come.

1245
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,680
And thankfully you came to the last EA

1246
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,240
meeting and you presented some stuff

1247
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:04,200
there. So what we've done is we've we've

1248
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:05,520
seeded this idea to the tenants.

1249
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,960
And a lot of them are talking and

1250
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,880
thinking, but I'm not sure we've really

1251
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,680
gathered all the input that might be out

1252
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:17,400
there still um that might we may want to

1253
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:20,080
consider, we being the city and um

1254
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,840
and and the council wants to consider

1255
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:25,320
before coming up with a plan for

1256
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,680
approval. And so I'd I'd like to allow

1257
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:30,680
that opportunity to exist. Now, if

1258
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,400
there's a hard deadline somewhere

1259
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,800
that needs to be met, then I think we

1260
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:39,120
need to adjust our timelines to gather

1261
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:41,080
the input we can from the tenants so

1262
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,280
that we can provide it in a timely

1263
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:46,360
fashion and everyone feels like they've

1264
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,600
had that opportunity to provide it to

1265
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,800
either whether that be through the

1266
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,440
advisory board or directly to you, Eric,

1267
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,680
but at least we've had that opportunity

1268
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,520
to make sure everybody understands. We

1269
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,480
need to know by this time, here's the

1270
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,280
information, here's the current update

1271
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,120
where we are. Just to kind of get that

1272
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,000
going and I think it'll be a lot

1273
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,440
smoother

1274
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,040
being accepted by the community

1275
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,280
if we were able to do something like

1276
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,480
that. So, that's why I was asking if

1277
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,360
there's a deadline.

1278
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,760
» So, yeah, I'll reach out to Woolpert to

1279
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,160
see if they

1280
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,520
you know, if they have a deadline. We'd

1281
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,160
like to get this wrapped up um

1282
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:21,000
sooner or later so we can implement this

1283
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,160
airport layout plan so we can you know,

1284
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,960
for future you know, budgetary

1285
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,000
uh year so we can budget some of these

1286
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,400
things out so we cuz

1287
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,600
uh I tried to get some MP funds finding

1288
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,120
out that I had to submit last month then

1289
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:37,040
I'm leaving money on the table, right?

1290
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,480
So, um the sooner we can get this thing

1291
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:43,160
done, the better is the plan for future

1292
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,240
uh improvements of the ALP. So, we'll

1293
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,960
I'll reach out to Woolpert and see uh

1294
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,560
what's their timeline uh of this and

1295
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,440
um and I'll let you know and um let uh

1296
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,720
the attendants know as well.

1297
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,400
» Okay, thank you, Eric.

1298
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,800
» Yeah, thank you, Greg. That certainly

1299
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,760
don't want to be caught

1300
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,640
short on Yes, sir.

1301
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,240
» I just wanted to add to that. Um our

1302
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,960
fiscal year starts October 1. We do like

1303
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,880
a council retreat as well. So, we kind

1304
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,880
of want to probably have it sometime

1305
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,960
before that. Um

1306
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,600
so, October 1 because like I said, Eric

1307
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,160
has a lot of funds that we could dip

1308
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,760
into so we want to kind of have projects

1309
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,760
already set aside that we want to kind

1310
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,360
of prioritize based off of this plan so

1311
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,480
we know where to allocate that money to

1312
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,600
in the future. So, October 1 is kind of

1313
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,080
our where we're going to start. I'm not

1314
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,920
saying that has to be, but we would like

1315
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,960
to have it around that time so we can

1316
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,600
kind of have a strategy moving forward.

1317
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,120
» I think that gives us a time frame we

1318
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,240
can work within. That'd be my

1319
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,800
recommendation here that we consider

1320
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,600
» Absolutely.

1321
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,800
» Facilitating something to gather it in

1322
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,360
time to meet that deadline.

1323
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,600
» Okay, thank you.

1324
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,240
The traffic pattern assessments with

1325
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,360
restriction, how has this been going? I

1326
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:49,040
know it's published and Eric, we're

1327
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,040
we're interested in the feedback that

1328
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,360
you're getting from the users.

1329
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:56,240
» So, um so so we finally um got it

1330
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,920
approved by Texarkana, I mean um the FAA

1331
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,800
to get it done. So, you'll see it on our

1332
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,920
supplement uh touch and go landing

1333
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,400
operations prohibited when four or more

1334
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,320
aircraft in the pattern.

1335
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,680
Uh we had some of it uh instructor local

1336
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,840
instructors that we have enforced these

1337
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,080
um

1338
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,640
uh some of these recommendations and we

1339
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,040
have seen uh

1340
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,480
you know

1341
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,640
the flight schools abide by these and

1342
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:23,400
either um go to this another uh airport

1343
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:25,680
or you know do their uh their full stops

1344
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,600
and let people in and or out. So, it

1345
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,200
it's had been working effectively and

1346
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,120
I'm glad that we were able to get

1347
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,080
something like that done and and and

1348
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000
publish.

1349
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,440
» And let me just read this what we what

1350
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,560
is published in the you know terminal

1351
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,560
procedures, you know the the green book.

1352
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,520
It says [snorts]

1353
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,000
uh

1354
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,840
DGL touch and go landing operations

1355
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,840
abbreviated by OPNS operations

1356
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,160
prohibited when four or more aircraft

1357
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,920
operating in traffic pattern. So, what's

1358
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,960
pretty clear uh

1359
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,440
I mean that makes sense to

1360
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,480
to me and and I think uh

1361
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,720
so we're we're very

1362
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,240
interested in in the feedback and how if

1363
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,200
this does mitigate some of the

1364
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,480
congestion in the pattern going forward.

1365
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,240
If you just kind of

1366
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,280
uh apprise of that Eric, we'd appreciate

1367
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,080
that.

1368
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,200
The progress update on runway 34

1369
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,320
approach. I know that was kind of uh

1370
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,560
hinging on this airport layout plan. Has

1371
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,760
there been any movement or any

1372
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,880
discussion with uh FAA on that?

1373
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,560
» So, uh

1374
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,920
the so has been submitted. I spoke with

1375
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,200
um

1376
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,120
Joseph [snorts]

1377
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,160
uh

1378
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,680
uh spoke with the FAA about it. So, now

1379
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,840
they're in the um

1380
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,200
feasibility study phase of it. So, now

1381
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,760
they had to do the feasibility study.

1382
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Once that's uh complete,

1383
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,920
um

1384
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,600
then we'll know if we have to cut down

1385
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,720
trees or anything like that for for that

1386
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,160
approach. Uh and then if that's the

1387
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,400
case, we'll have to cut them trees down

1388
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,800
to make sure we can uh meet those

1389
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,280
requirements.

1390
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,240
Then once that happens, then they'll do

1391
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,400
another um

1392
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,880
approach to see if everything that we've

1393
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,120
done was met. And then once that

1394
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,840
happens,

1395
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,000
it could be approved if nothing else,

1396
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:04,480
you know,

1397
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,600
hinders that approval. So it might from

1398
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,520
what I understand is things going to

1399
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,040
take

1400
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,720
uh some some more time. So

1401
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,320
um

1402
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:13,160
» But the discussion is I mean

1403
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,080
the dialogue is in progress cuz we know

1404
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,120
this is probably

1405
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:16,920
probably two or three years out.

1406
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,680
» At least.

1407
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,760
» You know, in the way the FAA and all

1408
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,440
that stuff. As long as we're moving in

1409
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,040
that direction and there's it's

1410
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,480
initiated and started.

1411
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,640
» And we're in the queue for the

1412
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,320
feasibility study now.

1413
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,960
» Okay, great. Thank you.

1414
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:33,760
And on item five, the last item of

1415
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,800
You know, I I had kind of pushed for

1416
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,880
this a little bit you know, with

1417
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,640
after the hangar and uh

1418
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,960
rate increase and all that is if there's

1419
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,080
any way that we can kind of show a

1420
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,760
little bit of

1421
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,280
appreciation to the tenants. If there's

1422
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,400
anything that we can do for

1423
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,000
fuel incentive, a special day for buy

1424
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,720
fuel to to get a discount,

1425
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,200
anything there that

1426
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:58,320
if there's any more thought on that.

1427
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,400
» Uh so we've been looking at some ideas

1428
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,920
maybe something, you know, like that to

1429
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,520
have a fly-in and and and reduce prices

1430
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,840
and stuff like that. But

1431
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:10,560
as far as you know, so gas prices are

1432
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:12,640
trending down and so and the prices that

1433
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,680
we currently have now, if you look, you

1434
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:18,200
know, in a 40-mi radius, we're very

1435
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,080
competitive of what we're doing. But of

1436
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,520
course we'd love to, you know, pass, you

1437
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,040
know, on

1438
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,960
some things to tenants, but there's we

1439
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:26,720
have to make sure that, you know, with

1440
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
that we do those with

1441
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,200
um

1442
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,000
with, you know, some type of events so

1443
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,280
we could draw draw some people in to,

1444
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,840
you know, to pass those savings on to

1445
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,720
everybody. But we're still still looking

1446
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:38,280
at options to see what we could do and

1447
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,960
you know, and how much and you know,

1448
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,080
what's what's the

1449
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,320
the value added to it. Of course, you

1450
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,320
know, everybody loves to say you want a

1451
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,400
little bit and we'll try, you know, that

1452
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,760
do our best to look at what we can do

1453
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,400
and maybe come up with an event to to,

1454
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,440
you know, to show that appreciation.

1455
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,320
» Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking I was, you

1456
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,200
know, kind of pushing for maybe one day

1457
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,960
of the week or a month, uh, whether it's

1458
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,440
be

1459
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,920
every week on a certain day or or or

1460
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:06,920
once a month or something to

1461
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,760
to spur, you know,

1462
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,840
people to come and buy buy more fuel,

1463
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,680
you know, cuz

1464
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,720
uh

1465
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,240
And and one other thing on that item,

1466
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,760
has there been any change in the the

1467
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,200
pricing method that we had discussed

1468
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,680
earlier in several meetings ago as far

1469
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,360
as how we would price fuel? I know the

1470
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,920
price is up now. I know costs have gone

1471
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,360
up. But

1472
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,680
has there been a change in the fight

1473
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,720
pricing strategy that we discussed

1474
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,960
earlier?

1475
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:32,360
» Uh, no. Yeah, no change in the pricing

1476
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,360
strategy. We still try to maintain, um,

1477
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,560
you know, the the profit margins that,

1478
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,000
you know, that uh, we try to abide by

1479
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,480
and and depending on the market of what

1480
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,040
the gas is going where we're trying to

1481
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,840
stay in that and also looking at market

1482
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,440
rate of what everybody else is uh, is

1483
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,280
um,

1484
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,440
is charging and try to be, you know, the

1485
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,080
best uh,

1486
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,560
around to, you know, to drive uh, people

1487
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,240
in without, um,

1488
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,800
without ruining our our our, you know,

1489
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,160
the profit margin that that we need to

1490
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,920
stay in to build some of these

1491
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,160
uh, some of these projects cuz

1492
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,480
like the the ALP, yes, we'll have some

1493
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,600
grant money to help with that, uh, from

1494
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,280
FAA and TxDOT, but all all the hangar

1495
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:14,600
stuff is going to come from us. So, the

1496
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,720
more that we can, you know, raise to get

1497
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,360
those things done, you know, the better

1498
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:20,000
it is, the more likely it is to get

1499
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,160
these hangars done. So,

1500
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,360
um, as long as you keep trying to to

1501
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,440
meet those profit margins to put back

1502
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,120
into the airport to build these

1503
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,440
facilities and build some of these

1504
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,360
amenities was going to help

1505
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,600
tremendously. So, uh, we're trying to do

1506
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,520
the best possible way to to make money

1507
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,360
as well as provide savings to everybody

1508
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,560
and and and that's a hard thing to do.

1509
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,480
» It is. But trying.

1510
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,760
» All right. Thank you so much.

1511
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Uh, that concludes that. Any uh, request

1512
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:45,560
a motion to

1513
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,360
uh, end the meeting, please?

1514
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,000
» Um, I move that we uh,

1515
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,440
» Adjourn?

1516
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,480
» All right.

1517
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,920
» Uh, Albert, you second it?

1518
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,320
» I second.

1519
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,320
» Thank you.