[1:04] Hello
[1:05] and welcome
[1:07] City of Cleveland Airport Board Meeting
[1:09] for July 9th, 2026. If we could stand,
[1:12] we'll start with the invocation and
[1:13] pledge.
[1:17] Dearly Father, we thank you for this
[1:18] day. We thank you for the
[1:20] opportunity to come and serve the
[1:23] City of Cleveland and the
[1:25] users and tenants at the uh
[1:27] Cleveland Municipal Airport. We pray for
[1:28] your wisdom and guidance in our
[1:30] discussion.
[1:31] Uh give us discernment on any decisions
[1:33] that we make and bless this time
[1:35] together.
[1:36] In Christ's name we pray. Amen.
[1:40] » Let's pledge allegiance.
[1:42] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[1:45] United States of America
[1:47] and to the Republic for which it stands,
[1:49] one nation under God, indivisible, with
[1:53] liberty and justice for all.
[1:56] » Texas flag.
[1:57] Honor the Texas flag.
[2:00] I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas.
[2:03] One state, under God, one and
[2:06] indivisible.
[2:07] » Thank you.
[2:11] Now for the roll call, we'll start at
[2:13] the end. At the end
[2:14] you have Mr. Jake Litwin, board member.
[2:17] Next to him is Greg Modl, board member.
[2:20] Brian Stafford, board member.
[2:23] Eric, airport manager. And to my right
[2:26] is Albert Cabrera, board member. And I'm
[2:28] Hugh McFarland, the board chair.
[2:32] We have uh
[2:34] no one here from the public to provide
[2:36] public comment, so we'll skip past that
[2:39] and uh
[2:40] we'll move to the reports and comments
[2:42] from board members.
[2:45] Uh so we'll start at the end. Uh Jake,
[2:47] do you have anything to add?
[2:48] » I do have something to add. So
[2:50] I got a huge shout-out to Eric. Uh
[2:52] talked to one of the attendants out
[2:53] there.
[2:54] Said he was
[2:56] Was that an on? Nope, here we go. Uh I
[2:58] got a shout-out for Eric. Uh was hugely
[3:01] helpful for a Cessna 340 getting that in
[3:03] there the other day. I'm sure you know
[3:04] who that's from.
[3:07] » Good. What were they Were they Was it
[3:09] the aircraft in difficulty or is it just
[3:11] a a technical
[3:12] » I'm sure he can answer that.
[3:13] » Yeah, so he was just uh so we had
[3:16] another pilot that was kind of pointing
[3:17] at him and he was like, "Hey, what's
[3:18] going on?" And so he's about to take
[3:20] off. Essentially had his flaps down, so
[3:21] it was Hey, just make sure your flaps
[3:23] are are up before you take off.
[3:25] » Hm. Oh, excellent.
[3:26] Thanks for your observation. That's
[3:28] good.
[3:29] Mr. Modl?
[3:31] » I have no comment, thank you.
[3:32] » Okay.
[3:33] Mr. Stafford, Brian.
[3:34] » I have one. Um I recently attended an
[3:37] air show at Texarkana
[3:39] and they had a very interesting
[3:41] presentation
[3:43] on unleaded fuel for airports. We've
[3:46] kind of talked about this before, but
[3:48] um
[3:49] they have this program the EAA has put
[3:52] out, it's called Eagle.
[3:54] And
[3:55] apparently all airports have to be
[3:58] um completely unleaded. In other words,
[4:00] no leaded 100 LL by the year of 2030.
[4:05] So, I wanted to kind of bring this up to
[4:07] see if I don't know I'm new here, so I
[4:09] don't know if you all have discussed
[4:09] this in the past and what our plans are
[4:12] moving forward to make our airport
[4:14] unleaded.
[4:16] » We have not had this
[4:17] to my knowledge any discussion on
[4:19] unleaded aviation fuel. I know it's been
[4:21] a hot topic out on the West Coast for
[4:23] some time, but uh
[4:26] fortunately it hasn't made it here
[4:28] to my knowledge. Eric, have you heard
[4:30] anything on that from a management side?
[4:33] » Uh no, and it's kind of been thrown out.
[4:35] Went recently through a fire safety and
[4:37] fuel farm training and it was just
[4:40] thrown out there as well.
[4:42] Um I think it'd probably be a good
[4:43] discussion to talk about a little bit
[4:44] more research for an agenda item and
[4:46] then we could talk about uh
[4:48] uh
[4:49] that for our um our next meeting.
[4:51] » Yeah, we certainly need more guidance
[4:53] from uh the FAA and the engine
[4:55] manufacturers and there's been a
[4:58] uh you know, ongoing
[5:00] uh
[5:01] debate about the
[5:04] I guess the safety and the the uh
[5:07] distribution of
[5:09] uh unleaded avgas.
[5:11] But we certainly want to be uh
[5:14] you know,
[5:16] aware and on the front end of that as
[5:17] much as we can.
[5:18] Uh
[5:19] but we haven't had any formal
[5:21] discussions. Yes, sir.
[5:23] » I am I knew that debate and we were
[5:25] certainly moving in that direction
[5:27] nationally, but I had not heard that we
[5:29] had an absolute date
[5:31] marked on the calendar saying it's got
[5:32] to be done by here. I hadn't heard that
[5:34] yet. So,
[5:35] » I neither.
[5:35] » Yeah. So, we know research it, go to
[5:37] faa.gov and just
[5:39] um do the search tool and look up the
[5:41] word Eagle.
[5:42] » Okay.
[5:42] » And you know, it it pulls right up.
[5:44] » Okay. Great. I'll look into that. Thank
[5:46] you.
[5:46] Um Albert, do you have anything to add?
[5:49] » Not right now. Thank you.
[5:50] » Okay.
[5:50] And I didn't have anything
[5:53] in particular
[5:55] to mention on that. So,
[5:57] we'll go to the manager's report. Mr.
[6:00] Eric.
[6:02] » Um so, we're in the month of you know
[6:06] July. So,
[6:08] collecting the last little bit of rent
[6:11] for that
[6:12] for the tenants for the airport and
[6:16] currently trying to get some maintenance
[6:17] issues done but pretty much that's all I
[6:20] I have right now.
[6:22] » I know that you had mentioned one time
[6:23] of
[6:26] that we had a conversation about
[6:28] resurfacing or something the striping
[6:30] and
[6:31] resurfacing with some of the funds. Is
[6:33] that Can you
[6:34] » Yeah, that's part of the maintenance.
[6:36] So,
[6:37] council has approved moving forward
[6:40] using highlight aviation services for
[6:43] remarking of the runway and taxiways.
[6:46] PO has been submitted and so now we're
[6:48] just waiting for their timeline to see
[6:50] to get it done.
[6:52] We want to get it done by the end of
[6:53] this month depending on how their
[6:56] schedule looks like.
[6:57] We'll see if we could get it done but
[6:59] it'll probably require
[7:02] a few days of closing to get that done.
[7:05] » Would that entail in closing
[7:07] the runway
[7:09] entirely or could we do it in sections
[7:11] where we could have say that you know
[7:15] some access to the runway is it
[7:16] » So, I haven't talked to the project
[7:18] manager yet. I'm waiting for his phone
[7:20] call but
[7:21] from what I
[7:22] what I gather it looks like it's going
[7:23] to be closing of the entire runway to
[7:26] get it done. This should be So, they
[7:28] have to demo all the old stuff. So,
[7:31] it'll probably take a week I think to
[7:33] get all that stuff done.
[7:35] » So,
[7:37] a week of demo and then restriping. Is
[7:39] this
[7:40] » Week is demo and installation, so
[7:43] I think just I I think it's going to
[7:45] only take just a week in total totality.
[7:48] » Okay. So, we could uh
[7:51] then I would certainly ask that we would
[7:53] get as much notice as we could on that.
[7:55] » As soon as we hear um
[7:57] the schedules, we'll definitely uh push
[7:59] it out to everybody to let everybody be
[8:01] aware of when uh that schedule will
[8:03] happen.
[8:05] » Okay.
[8:07] » [clears throat]
[8:10] » All right, consideration and possible
[8:11] action on the following uh
[8:14] approval of uh meeting minutes
[8:16] uh from the
[8:19] We have two meetings, correct? Uh so,
[8:22] the regular meeting in February 12th and
[8:23] special called meeting in March 17th.
[8:26] Uh
[8:29] Anybody recommend the approval of those
[8:31] uh minutes?
[8:32] » I
[8:33] I recommend that the board approve the
[8:34] minutes.
[8:34] » All right.
[8:35] I second it. Let's
[8:37] draw on both of those. All right.
[8:40] Mr. Drake, okay.
[8:42] Okay. So, the
[8:43] uh meeting minutes have been approved
[8:45] for
[8:47] the February 12th and March 17th uh
[8:51] board meetings.
[8:52] Our discussion and possible
[8:53] recommendation to council on the
[8:54] following, the airport layout plan for
[8:56] board member input.
[8:58] So, this
[9:00] there was a a presentation by the city
[9:02] uh to tenants on this
[9:05] uh layout plan uh
[9:07] previously. I personally was not there.
[9:09] I was uh traveling. Uh
[9:12] and I know
[9:13] uh we wanted to kind of bring it towards
[9:15] the board to to discuss it, and that's
[9:18] what we're
[9:19] trying to accomplish tonight.
[9:21] » And so, um
[9:22] to accomplish that, uh we invited
[9:24] Woolpert back over, and so they'll give
[9:26] us a uh a short presentation of what was
[9:29] discussed and um
[9:31] their final uh hopefully um
[9:33] recommendations for the ALP.
[9:36] » Okay.
[9:37] All right, thank you.
[9:41] Now, are they going to
[9:41] » Yeah, Erica, yeah, we can
[9:43] » Okay.
[9:44] » Um present our our final layout here if
[9:47] you like. I can share my screen.
[9:49] » All right, we see that.
[9:50] » And um
[9:52] present what we have here. Let me
[9:59] Okay, can you see my screen okay?
[10:02] » Yes, sir.
[10:03] » Okay, great. Well, um yeah, we on May
[10:06] 18th, we presented um a draft layout
[10:11] plan
[10:12] uh to a city council during workshop.
[10:15] And uh we received some comments from
[10:18] members of city council as well as
[10:21] attendees, uh airport tenants at the
[10:24] airport that were there as well.
[10:26] And uh you know, we we've heard you.
[10:29] We've got your comments and we've made
[10:31] some adjustments to this layout to
[10:33] address those. And this layout that
[10:36] we're looking at here reflects those
[10:38] changes.
[10:39] Um the primary comment that we received
[10:43] and we've addressed in this cer- centers
[10:46] around the existing terminal building.
[10:49] Uh the thought was it would be
[10:51] beneficial to keep the terminal building
[10:54] as it is today
[10:56] and um build around that. Uh that that
[11:00] might be usable for
[11:02] uh future flight school or or tenant
[11:05] use, a pilot lounge,
[11:08] um anybody that is accessing the
[11:11] airfield. Um
[11:13] One thing that I I mentioned during the
[11:15] workshop was our interest in separating
[11:20] the the visitors, the non-aeronautical
[11:23] visitors, the general public to the
[11:26] airport from
[11:28] uh the aircraft movement areas and the
[11:30] remainder of the airfield. And so, what
[11:34] we show here is a
[11:36] a new terminal building that will house
[11:40] the FBO,
[11:41] lounge facilities,
[11:44] perhaps even a restaurant, just the the
[11:46] public use, public access area of the
[11:49] airport. And then right after the
[11:52] entrance of that um into the next to the
[11:56] parking lot for that, we have a a gate
[11:59] that would separate um those that are
[12:02] visiting the airport and for general
[12:04] purpose from the tenants and users that
[12:08] have access to the airfield. So, we're
[12:11] wanting to separate those
[12:13] those visitors, those that have aircraft
[12:16] or reason to be on in the movement area
[12:20] opposed to those that are just visiting
[12:22] the airport. And so, we have a gate here
[12:26] that will separate those uses.
[12:29] Pilots,
[12:30] those that are are aeronautical in
[12:33] nature can drive down the access road as
[12:35] it is today.
[12:37] And then you'll see that there are
[12:38] several turn-off locations for vehicles
[12:41] to access either the far side of the
[12:45] of the terminal or the the hangar areas.
[12:49] Others also roadways that lead to some
[12:52] of the general hangar areas,
[12:55] but these are onto
[12:57] taxiways and movement areas, and that's
[12:59] why we wanted to separate those uses.
[13:01] So, and that's the main reason that we
[13:04] initially thought, well, removing the
[13:06] terminal building as it is today might
[13:08] be beneficial because we're trying to
[13:10] segregate those users. But if it were to
[13:12] stay
[13:14] as pilot we use lounge, flight school
[13:17] perhaps,
[13:18] then then that building could stay. In
[13:21] our initial plan, we showed a hangar in
[13:24] this location.
[13:26] Um we could not keep that hangar if
[13:29] we're going to keep the existing
[13:31] terminal building uh, because it would
[13:33] be too close to the runway and taxiway
[13:36] system. So, the idea would be to bridge
[13:40] the the existing apron to one of the
[13:44] other apron areas and taxi lane areas.
[13:47] We would bridge that to provide a a
[13:49] thoroughfare or additional parking
[13:52] um, and and bridge those pavement areas
[13:55] and retain the terminal area and the
[13:58] facilities within it.
[14:00] Um,
[14:01] the hangar area that we documented at
[14:04] the last time we showed a mix of
[14:06] T-hangars, box hangars.
[14:09] Um, those would remain here. We have Our
[14:12] goal is to provide a variety of
[14:16] uh,
[14:17] uh, hangar types to attract and
[14:20] accommodate various users to the
[14:23] airport. So, here you see a collection
[14:25] of 14 box uh, sorry, 14 T-hangar nested
[14:29] T-hangars. And then we also have a
[14:32] collection of uh, box hangars. I believe
[14:35] these measure 60 by 60. Uh, be able to
[14:38] accommodate, you know, most of the
[14:40] aircraft that are are based at the
[14:42] airport today and many of those that are
[14:45] on the wait list.
[14:47] Um, another significant project that
[14:49] we're showing in this plan is the uh,
[14:52] redevelopment of this taxiway.
[14:55] Um, the primary purpose for that is to
[14:58] achieve necessary separation to meet FAA
[15:01] design standards. When this airport
[15:05] someday reaches what we call a B2
[15:07] classification,
[15:09] that would be used to accommodate
[15:11] business jet type aircraft, a greater
[15:14] separation of the taxiway would be
[15:16] necessary in this area. The existing
[15:19] taxiway,
[15:20] um,
[15:21] uh, along this side of the airport
[15:24] is adequate. It's It's separated by 240
[15:27] ft. We're looking just to separate this
[15:30] segment in red here, the existing
[15:32] taxiway, by 240 ft. And then that would
[15:36] create this full-length parallel taxiway
[15:39] without a jog in it that you have today.
[15:42] Uh, this area is shaded in red to show
[15:45] the demolition of this segment of
[15:47] pavement. Main reason for that
[15:51] is to, uh,
[15:53] to, uh, require pilots to take a 90°
[15:56] turn as they taxi from the apron area to
[16:00] the runway. The idea here is is to avoid
[16:04] a direct connection between the apron
[16:07] and the runway without the pilot having
[16:09] to make a conscious turn. That's an FAA
[16:13] directive. It helps reduce, uh,
[16:15] accidental runway incursion by by, uh,
[16:19] creating a upturn for the pilot to make
[16:22] and consciously,
[16:24] um,
[16:24] renew his kind of awareness of of where
[16:27] he is on the airfield, taxiway versus
[16:29] runway.
[16:31] Um, here we're showing additional apron
[16:34] area, just the expansion of this to
[16:37] allow for increased aircraft, uh,
[16:40] taxiing and parking near the terminal
[16:42] area. So it's kind of an easy in and out
[16:45] type of operation here,
[16:47] um, letting the letting pilots and
[16:50] transients use this area. Uh, this area
[16:53] would be served by,
[16:55] um,
[16:56] uh, fuel through a fuel truck. We would
[16:59] We would keep the existing fuel
[17:01] facilities where they are. Um, they
[17:04] would be,
[17:05] uh, in any future fuel expansion or
[17:09] development would be still accommodated
[17:11] within this, uh, area if we need to.
[17:14] They We have plenty of room for
[17:16] expansion or changes in the fuel system
[17:19] in this area if they were necessary.
[17:23] Um this hangar which is really not there
[17:25] today, we're showing as existing because
[17:27] there is an existing plan for this box
[17:29] hangar here.
[17:31] Now we showed some options for accessing
[17:33] that. Either it would be within this
[17:36] area here, this existing taxi lane, or
[17:39] we we've shown some additional pavement
[17:42] if the hangar were to have an access
[17:45] uh to this area,
[17:47] um they would be able to access it from
[17:49] from either this side or this side
[17:51] depending on
[17:52] um how the doors are configured and the
[17:54] the building is erected.
[17:56] Um you can see we're adding vehicle
[17:58] parking throughout this layout just to
[18:01] expand
[18:02] parking for
[18:04] uh users and tenants, um visitors down
[18:07] here at the terminal building and so on.
[18:10] So there weren't a lot of changes from
[18:12] our initial draft. I wanted to just
[18:15] briefly go over the entire plan with you
[18:18] uh just because I know some of you were
[18:20] not there at our uh workshop with the
[18:23] city council.
[18:24] But um be happy to address any questions
[18:27] or comments that you may have.
[18:29] » I have one uh
[18:31] Tony on the
[18:32] the red section of the
[18:34] uh
[18:35] the
[18:36] area that you described to prevent uh
[18:38] the
[18:39] aircraft uh from
[18:41] you know, entering the runway. You said
[18:42] they wanted to make a a 90° turn that
[18:44] area right there. Is that
[18:46] » Yes.
[18:46] » How is that accomplished cuz that looks
[18:48] like they're just
[18:49] uh
[18:50] » That it it could be one of two ways. Um
[18:53] this we're showing as demo, we would
[18:55] demo this pavement.
[18:57] » Okay.
[18:57] » However, um there is the option to
[19:00] simply paint that pavement. You might
[19:03] have seen at some commercial airports
[19:05] where they have areas of
[19:07] pavement painted green, you know, kind
[19:09] of like an island. Um that's a
[19:11] possibility here without having to
[19:13] remove the pavement, you could actually
[19:15] stripe it, paint a solid color so that
[19:17] it's obvious to a pilot that this is not
[19:19] movement area.
[19:21] » Okay. And the other sections up along
[19:23] the the main entrance road uh a beam the
[19:26] where the aviation
[19:28] uh
[19:28] » Right here?
[19:29] » Yeah, that those sections that are red
[19:31] in there. What is that indicating?
[19:33] » Those Yeah, that's the removal of
[19:34] pavement. Um so here we have the
[19:37] entrance road going to the existing
[19:39] terminal building. That would come out.
[19:41] Um
[19:43] Um that would allow us to build
[19:45] additional hangars here.
[19:47] Um some existing taxiway connections and
[19:50] roadway connections we would modify. We
[19:53] would narrow this existing what what's
[19:55] existing as kind of like a taxiway
[19:57] today, we would basically reconstruct
[20:00] this as roadway for vehicle vehicle
[20:03] access and not aircraft. And then we
[20:05] would build a a new taxiway connector
[20:08] here to allow a more efficient use of
[20:11] aircraft movement without having to go
[20:14] where parked vehicles are or down here
[20:17] where we have hangar development. So
[20:19] this the Yeah, this red area here as
[20:22] well as this is shown in red to
[20:25] represent uh demolished pavement.
[20:27] » Okay, thank you.
[20:29] » You're welcome.
[20:31] » Hey Tony, this is Greg Model and uh
[20:33] thank you again for joining us this
[20:34] evening. Um I did attend the workshop
[20:37] and I thought of something else after
[20:39] that that I wanted to bring up uh
[20:41] tonight. And that is um on the north
[20:44] side during the demo area where
[20:46] currently hangar Q rests
[20:49] and that's being marked for demolition
[20:50] which we expect. Um
[20:53] » Mhm.
[20:54] » So as tenants
[20:56] of the field who hangar do their
[20:59] self-service fuel, they're ready to
[21:01] depart on runway 16,
[21:04] what's your vision for the run-up area?
[21:06] » Yeah, I was thinking about that this
[21:08] morning. Um
[21:09] we we did not show a run-up area
[21:13] uh here. Generally, you you would have a
[21:16] run-up. Um I will look into that, but I
[21:19] do like that idea. Uh similar to the
[21:22] other end of the runway, we're showing a
[21:25] a run-up area right here at the corner
[21:28] where the turn is. Um
[21:30] I'm not sure if we have enough room to
[21:34] illustrate the run-up area without being
[21:37] on this pavement right here. The run-up
[21:39] should stand by itself and not be
[21:42] connected to other areas like this apron
[21:45] pavement here. So, I I will absolutely
[21:48] do that, show a run-up area here. That
[21:51] might mean that we have to narrow this
[21:53] pavement here, which I don't think is uh
[21:57] a deal breaker. I think we could narrow
[21:59] this slightly and then show our run-up
[22:02] area here. I like that idea. Thank you.
[22:04] » And Johnny, while I'm while we're on
[22:06] that topic, where you currently have
[22:08] your cursor, that white pavement area,
[22:11] uh that's existing pavement. That's
[22:13] typically what is used as a run-up now.
[22:17] Um runway 16, as I know you're aware, is
[22:20] our primary use runway
[22:23] uh because during calm winds or
[22:24] predominant southerly winds, uh that's
[22:27] where we are. So, a lot of heavy
[22:29] traffic, so we do need some segregation
[22:32] where people are not having to remain on
[22:33] the taxiway in order to do their run-up.
[22:36] So, whatever that solution is, I think
[22:38] it is something. I do have a question,
[22:40] though. Um
[22:41] » Okay.
[22:42] » Since um is it
[22:44] uh I don't know the right word. Is it
[22:46] out of bounds, so to speak, to have a
[22:48] run-up area in this case north of the
[22:52] threshold of six, even though it's
[22:54] offset in line with the taxiway?
[22:57] Is that in a runway protection zone or
[23:00] or
[23:00] the right phrase is? Or is that
[23:02] allowable in the new construction?
[23:05] » Um it
[23:06] That's a great question, and it is not
[23:08] in the runway protection zone. That's
[23:10] starting right here, identified, but
[23:14] it is not um an FAA design standard to
[23:18] construct it before the threshold like
[23:20] it is today.
[23:22] » Okay.
[23:22] » We would seek to We would seek to have
[23:24] it in line
[23:25] or
[23:27] or before the threshold if you're
[23:29] taxiing down this taxiway. So, I would
[23:32] not continue to show this. This is not a
[23:36] customary layout that the FAA and TxDOT
[23:40] would be supportive of.
[23:42] » But, it could be used for parking for
[23:44] the terminal terminal building.
[23:46] » Yes, it could be Yeah, absolutely.
[23:48] That's why we kept it here. We're not
[23:50] showing that in red. We do want to
[23:52] continue to use that. That's valuable
[23:54] pavement. You can park aircraft. You can
[23:56] move and station them on this apron. Um
[24:00] it just would not be a way to access the
[24:04] runway from a run-up area.
[24:06] » Okay.
[24:07] » If I could add something to that, uh
[24:09] Tony, uh
[24:10] that area
[24:11] if you're
[24:12] if you move back on taxiway Alpha as
[24:14] you're moving uh
[24:16] from that area where your cursor is,
[24:19] if you
[24:20] just to the north of that, if it bulged
[24:22] out,
[24:23] uh kind of
[24:25] » Oh, right here?
[24:27] » Uh let's see where you
[24:29] uh
[24:29] » I'm at the intersection of the taxiway
[24:31] and a connector?
[24:32] » Yeah, if you go towards the approach
[24:33] into 16 on that taxiway, and then as
[24:36] after you pass that last hangar, and the
[24:40] this Alpha the
[24:42] Alpha hangar there, if you keep going uh
[24:44] to the
[24:45] » Okay.
[24:46] » Northwest there,
[24:47] and
[24:47] » Okay.
[24:48] » Right after that little taxiway area
[24:50] there, if if the taxiway if you
[24:53] if it bulged out from there and
[24:56] encroached on that
[24:58] dark [clears throat] gray parking area
[25:01] and then terminated
[25:03] prior to that entrance taxiway.
[25:07] It would be allow people that are coming
[25:09] from all the
[25:10] hangars and tingers to conduct their
[25:12] run-up
[25:13] prior to that taxiway that leads onto
[25:15] the runway approaching the runway
[25:17] and people that would not block area the
[25:21] transient people coming from that
[25:24] the FO
[25:27] city building there onto the runway so
[25:29] that
[25:30] that taxiway is not encumbered uh for
[25:34] people trying to do run-up. Everything
[25:35] is conducted
[25:37] to the southeast of the that final
[25:39] taxiway.
[25:41] And
[25:42] you know, that would you would lose some
[25:44] aircraft parking in that area, but that
[25:45] could maybe be compensated with that
[25:47] area the the white area that Gray was
[25:49] mentioning.
[25:50] And uh
[25:51] cuz I don't think you want aircraft
[25:54] congregating down at the
[25:56] approaching taxiway entrance to the
[25:58] runway trying to do run-ups.
[26:01] » Right.
[26:02] » Right where your cursor is there, if
[26:03] that bulged out
[26:05] and into a
[26:06] » Yeah, bulged out into here.
[26:08] » Yes. Yes, sir. All that was considered a
[26:11] run-up area and then you would have the
[26:13] taxiway that would connect that new ramp
[26:15] area.
[26:16] Wouldn't be So, anybody that goes past
[26:18] that, they're ready for departure.
[26:19] They're not being held up if they're
[26:21] waiting their IFR clearance or whatnot.
[26:23] We don't
[26:24] » Right.
[26:25] » You know
[26:26] » Yeah, that's Yeah, that's exactly
[26:29] um
[26:29] that's exactly what my thinking is is
[26:31] that we we put that run-up area
[26:33] somewhere along here, and you're right,
[26:36] that would have
[26:38] that would require us to narrow this
[26:41] slightly, but that that is fine. We have
[26:44] abundant area here. We initially showed
[26:48] this area wide enough to allow aircraft
[26:52] to fully station outside of this hangar
[26:55] right here. That's why it's as wide as
[26:57] it as it is. We can narrow it and allow
[27:01] aircraft to taxi here back and forth,
[27:05] um
[27:06] but it may require aircraft that are in
[27:09] these hang uh just along the the face of
[27:11] these hangars here to to only stage
[27:15] briefly
[27:17] to allow aircraft to to move back and
[27:19] forth along those hangars without you
[27:22] know impeding traffic.
[27:25] » Okay.
[27:27] Yeah, from this diagram it looks like
[27:29] the people in that that parallel hangar
[27:31] complex uh
[27:33] would enter the taxiway from that
[27:35] southeast side.
[27:37] » Mhm.
[27:37] » So, they wouldn't come in right into
[27:39] that gray area. They would go out to the
[27:41] southeast and then to the west and then
[27:43] join that taxiway, right?
[27:45] » Right.
[27:45] » Just like they do today.
[27:47] » Yeah.
[27:47] » Yeah.
[27:48] » Right, just like they do today. This
[27:50] would Yeah, this configuration
[27:52] essentially allows for aircraft to taxi
[27:55] past them as they're in position on this
[27:57] taxi lane right here.
[27:59] » Okay.
[27:59] » If we have to narrow this
[28:03] and take out some of this new pavement
[28:05] here, we might have to share this taxi
[28:08] lane with those aircraft going to the
[28:10] terminal area and the ones that are
[28:13] staging outside of these hangars.
[28:16] » But wouldn't that area that parallel
[28:19] what what complex
[28:20] » What is that? That's
[28:20] » Alpha.
[28:21] » Alpha complex. Okay. Alpha hangars.
[28:24] » Mhm.
[28:25] » Isn't that segregated from the this
[28:28] tenant
[28:29] uh general parking area?
[28:32] Cuz you're you're wanting to segregate
[28:35] uh general population transients from
[28:38] based, correct?
[28:40] » Based?
[28:40] » Yes. Yes, the the fence the fence or
[28:43] gate would be right here right behind
[28:45] the turn into the terminal building.
[28:47] » Okay. So
[28:48] » Will all be this will all be tenant and
[28:52] uh
[28:53] private use air air aeronautical.
[28:55] » But But you're saying that they're
[28:56] sharing this taxiway, the the tenants
[28:59] and
[29:00] » The
[29:01] the the aircraft that are taxing to this
[29:03] terminal building
[29:04] » Mhm.
[29:06] » Would would taxi along this gray section
[29:09] here
[29:09] » Right.
[29:10] » And would allow but would be separated
[29:13] far enough to allow aircraft to stay and
[29:15] stand by out here in front of those
[29:17] hangars at the same time. If we have to
[29:21] narrow this, we may not be able to have
[29:24] that dual aircraft access
[29:27] uh in this area. That's what I'm getting
[29:30] at.
[29:30] » Okay. I I I I follow you now better.
[29:33] » Okay.
[29:33] » So cuz you don't have the taxiway
[29:35] connecting if you go all the way to the
[29:37] approach end of 16, that taxiway that
[29:40] makes it right right here.
[29:41] » Right.
[29:42] » We can't access that new area with the
[29:44] taxiway to connect connecting there.
[29:48] » Uh no. No, we we can't do that. For one,
[29:52] we have direct apron to to to runway
[29:56] access like I was talking about down
[29:58] here. We would effectively be recreating
[30:01] that if we copied that down here.
[30:03] » Okay. That makes sense.
[30:04] » Uh
[30:05] and and the the other issue is you know,
[30:07] like run up and movement area before the
[30:10] threshold. Um that should be that should
[30:14] be here. Um and that's why we've
[30:17] separated these two areas effectively
[30:20] with an island in between.
[30:21] » Okay.
[30:23] » So
[30:24] So Tony, that this this whole area with
[30:26] the the parallel hangar that I guess the
[30:28] Alpha hangar and the new area, all that
[30:31] apron is all shared. There's no barrier
[30:34] separating those two. I think that's
[30:36] what you're getting at, sir. It's all
[30:38] It's all open, but then the only access
[30:41] to the taxi to the runway is through
[30:44] um this is is there. Yeah.
[30:47] » Yeah. Yeah.
[30:48] » I was thinking there was a barrier or
[30:49] something in between there to to
[30:51] » No, no, there's no barrier. It's Yeah,
[30:53] it's kind of kind of hard to visualize
[30:55] when you have two different colors like
[30:57] this, but yeah, I would consider this
[30:59] all one
[31:01] apron.
[31:01] » Okay.
[31:02] » A one movement uh pavement area.
[31:05] » Okay.
[31:05] » When it's all done. The same for this.
[31:07] This will be a large apron, much larger
[31:09] than what it looks like here when dark
[31:11] gray, because we'll be maintaining this
[31:14] existing white pavement area that we
[31:17] have today. So, it'll be connected to
[31:20] it. This will be a pretty sizable
[31:22] uh apron area, not not much
[31:25] smaller than what we see down here.
[31:28] » Okay. Is there anything at the other at
[31:30] the 3-4 end that is not visible on this
[31:34] diagram?
[31:35] » Uh no, sir. We didn't show any other
[31:38] development. I'll I'll show the whole
[31:40] layout. Um this
[31:42] this drawing shows what we call a
[31:44] variety of building restriction lines.
[31:47] I'm sorry, it it's a little messy, but
[31:49] it shows us what what building heights
[31:51] we're restricted to.
[31:53] Uh but no, you can see down here on the
[31:55] 3-4 end, we don't have any additional um
[32:00] uh landside facilities. We are
[32:02] recommending runway end identifier
[32:04] lights on each end of the runway.
[32:06] That'll be included in the plan. That's
[32:08] just not shown here.
[32:10] » And the area that's on the that the the
[32:13] service road that goes around the
[32:15] the I guess that would be the east side.
[32:18] Is that already
[32:20] Is that airport property currently?
[32:24] » Uh yes.
[32:25] » Okay. So, there's no
[32:27] » Um
[32:27] » Land acquisition that has to take place
[32:29] to accommodate what you've drawn.
[32:30] » It it might be part of economic
[32:33] development, but it's in in the county's
[32:35] purview, yes.
[32:36] » Okay, all right.
[32:41] Tony, this is Greg again.
[32:43] Just a G Wiz question. Some of the
[32:46] things that are designated in green as
[32:48] box hangers, is that all interchangeable
[32:51] if at some point in the future due to
[32:53] demand the city would to decide to make
[32:56] those nested T hangers instead? All of
[32:59] that is part of the evolution of this
[33:01] plan, correct?
[33:02] » Absolutely, yes. Yeah, that's an
[33:05] important point to bring up that this is
[33:08] just a basic idea of the direction that
[33:10] the airport may want to go.
[33:12] This plan is changeable. Uh TexDOT is
[33:16] not going to hold your feet to the fire,
[33:18] so to speak, with all of this
[33:20] development. It's very flexible. The
[33:23] idea is to show a concept of growth, um
[33:27] a a way to meet a variety of needs, and
[33:31] if that changes over time, this is
[33:33] certainly um revisable. Not just not
[33:37] just the types of hangers, but the
[33:38] layout itself
[33:40] is is really not set in stone. Um
[33:44] it can change over time based upon the
[33:46] airport's needs and the community and
[33:49] it's focused on focus on airport
[33:52] development.
[33:59] » And one last question then, I don't mean
[34:01] to dominate this thing, but right there
[34:04] on the west side of the terminal built
[34:07] existing terminal building,
[34:09] uh where you've added pavement in dark
[34:11] gray, and then immediately west of it is
[34:14] still the light green that elongated
[34:17] that is grass, I presume.
[34:20] » Yeah, that's grass to maintain what we
[34:22] call a taxiway object-free area.
[34:25] » Okay.
[34:26] » So, that that emits from the center line
[34:29] of the taxi lane to the edges of these
[34:32] buildings and to uh not quite the edge
[34:35] of this pavement here. It's It's in that
[34:38] green area. So, we try to preserve
[34:40] pavement area. It's It's really more
[34:42] toward the close to the edge of these
[34:44] green buildings here.
[34:46] » Okay.
[34:46] » That's the edge of the taxiway
[34:49] object-free area.
[34:50] » Okay. And I was actually referring to
[34:52] the one even further west than that,
[34:54] right adjacent to taxiway alpha.
[34:57] That's the
[34:59] » Oh, this area here?
[35:01] » Be even further south.
[35:02] » It
[35:03] » I mean uh west, further west. Excuse me,
[35:05] I'm
[35:06] » Right along the taxiway to
[35:07] » Right along the taxiway alpha.
[35:10] Keep coming down. There we go. That one
[35:11] right there. That light green area
[35:13] there, yes.
[35:14] » Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[35:16] » That's okay.
[35:17] » Um yeah, this is preserved as uh
[35:20] essentially island area in between the
[35:23] taxiway. This is the typical,
[35:25] you know, island that you would see
[35:26] between an apron area and a a taxiway.
[35:31] It's certainly developable. I mean, you
[35:33] you have that today. You have a taxiway
[35:36] along the edge of the apron, which is
[35:37] very very common.
[35:39] Um
[35:41] but um yeah, we in this layout we chose
[35:44] to preserve that island there. Um it
[35:47] really wouldn't You wouldn't gain a
[35:49] whole lot if you were to develop this.
[35:52] You might have room for additional
[35:54] tie-downs, but you would not have room
[35:56] for any structures. It's too close to
[35:58] the runway.
[35:59] » What is the um distance, the closest
[36:02] distance you can be to a taxiway with a
[36:05] structure? Like you had mentioned you
[36:06] had taken away your original plan for
[36:09] the box hanger that would overlap the
[36:11] existing
[36:12] terminal building. You had to delete
[36:14] that plan because it was too close to
[36:17] the planned taxiway, I think you said.
[36:19] What What is that distance? Just
[36:21] curious.
[36:23] » Um
[36:24] in our ultimate configuration we're
[36:26] attempting to accommodate C-II aircraft,
[36:29] which is
[36:31] mid-size corporate jet. Um the taxi lane
[36:34] object free area, which is related to
[36:38] all these hang the pavement in between
[36:40] hangars
[36:41] is 110 ft of separation. That's from
[36:46] edge to edge of that object free area or
[36:51] you know, or what is it? 55 ft from the
[36:54] center line of the taxiway or taxi lane
[36:56] in this case going out.
[36:59] » Okay, thank you, Tanya.
[37:01] » You're welcome. It's a It's a greater
[37:03] separation requirement for the taxiway
[37:05] itself.
[37:07] Um taxi lanes, they can be a little bit
[37:09] closer together because the aircraft are
[37:11] moving slower.
[37:13] Um
[37:14] but the way to think about it is a taxi
[37:17] lane serves a taxiway. It leads to a
[37:20] taxiway and a taxiway leads to a runway.
[37:24] So, we have a lot of taxi lanes in this
[37:26] configuration, as you can tell.
[37:31] » Sir, a question. What is the number of
[37:33] new hangars that we're expecting?
[37:35] » Any other questions, comments, or ideas?
[37:39] » Yes, sir. Hello.
[37:40] Um what is the number of new hangars
[37:42] we're expecting to have at the airport?
[37:45] » Uh we have 14 T-hangars in this
[37:48] configuration.
[37:50] Um and then we have I believe it was 14.
[37:53] Maybe I might be wrong here. We got six,
[37:56] 11, 14
[37:58] uh
[37:59] and uh 18 18 box hangars.
[38:05] Um like I said, these I believe are 60
[38:07] by 60. This one to clear a
[38:10] a uh
[38:12] a right-of-way for a gas line. Uh this
[38:15] is a little smaller. This is a 50 by 50.
[38:19] But there's uh yeah, there's
[38:21] some definite growth opportunities here.
[38:23] Uh 18 box hangars, 14 T-hangars.
[38:27] Um
[38:28] that's not quite doubling the capacity
[38:31] of the airport, but the airport does
[38:33] have a significant
[38:35] uh waitlist.
[38:36] Um this again, this plan is intended to
[38:39] provide some flexibility
[38:41] so that you can develop um as warrant
[38:45] demands. If you would if you saw you
[38:48] know, interest in a tenant coming to the
[38:50] airport that was really interested in a
[38:52] box hangar, not necessarily a T-hangar,
[38:55] you could give them an idea of where
[38:58] um the airport envisions that happening.
[39:00] If you had if the count I'm sorry, if
[39:03] the city or a developer was interested
[39:06] in constructing a a T-hangar complex
[39:10] um you have a plan for that. So, it all
[39:12] depends on
[39:14] you know, the initiative behind it.
[39:16] These are ideas of where they can go.
[39:18] And like I said before, it can change.
[39:20] » Okay.
[39:21] Thank you. Is there anything else?
[39:22] » Yes, sir. A couple more if I may. What
[39:25] is the timeline for actually make a
[39:27] commitment on building these hangars and
[39:30] doing all these renovations?
[39:32] » We're going to do So, after the plan is
[39:35] approved, we do a phased uh
[39:39] um
[39:40] cost estimate around these projects and
[39:43] we phase them into
[39:45] a 0 to 5-year time frame, 5 to 10, and
[39:48] then a 10 to 20-year time frame.
[39:51] Um that's really just for developing
[39:53] cost estimates behind them. It's not
[39:56] necessarily phasing the projects because
[39:59] like I said, the demand for these
[40:01] facilities might
[40:03] might come and go depending upon
[40:05] interest. So, we're really just wanting
[40:08] to show what the rough cost would be for
[40:12] developing each kind of structure. The
[40:15] The exact timing of all of this is
[40:17] really up to the city and the interest
[40:20] that uh tenants display.
[40:23] » What's the atmosphere right now with the
[40:24] city as far as when they start doing it?
[40:30] » That might be a better question for
[40:32] Eric.
[40:33] » Right on. Uh sir, one more thing. I
[40:35] heard you say you're going to put uh
[40:37] rail lights runway and fire lights.
[40:39] That's definitely a huge thing that we
[40:41] need. The the runway needs it.
[40:44] Um what about approach lighting,
[40:45] non-precision approach lightings on both
[40:47] ends, 16 and 34? Uh I heard you
[40:50] mentioning uh we we have a goal to to
[40:53] bring at least uh up to mid-size level
[40:56] jets. Regardless, approach lights is is
[40:58] a safety issue for all types of
[41:00] aircraft, but it's certainly something
[41:02] that it
[41:03] would attract um heavier aircraft uh for
[41:06] the safety reason as well. Um is there
[41:08] any talks going on on putting a system
[41:12] like, for example, ODALS, which would be
[41:15] a basic non-precision approach lights on
[41:17] both runways?
[41:20] » Uh I I uh
[41:23] Yeah, I did not show those um because
[41:26] the the ODALS system that would
[41:29] effectively lower your minimums
[41:32] um
[41:33] would
[41:35] would be nice, but the obstructions that
[41:38] we have along the length of the runway
[41:40] that are representing those those trees
[41:43] on the other side of the runway
[41:45] um a lot of clearing would be necessary
[41:48] to just bring your minimums down, and it
[41:51] would only result in a reduction of
[41:53] about a eighth mile visibility
[41:55] improvement.
[41:56] The the the
[41:58] I'm sorry.
[41:59] » I didn't mean to interrupt, but even
[42:01] without the lowering of the minimums,
[42:03] just to be able to find the runway when
[42:07] you come from different directions.
[42:08] That's huge.
[42:09] » Yeah. Oh, I agree. And yeah, one uh
[42:12] yeah, the the approach lighting system
[42:14] we're talking about is somewhat similar
[42:17] to Odell's. It doesn't have lead-in
[42:19] lights, but the runway end identifier
[42:22] lights that I'm talking about are
[42:24] strobes that are
[42:26] adjacent to each end of each runway end.
[42:30] So, you have two on one end. They're not
[42:32] just threshold lights that show the
[42:34] barrier, but they're they're flashing
[42:37] strobes that pilots use to identify the
[42:41] runway end. And that's really the best
[42:45] method for identifying runway end and
[42:48] and really as a simple way
[42:51] to
[42:52] manage the improve the approach and the
[42:55] visibility of the runway for pilots.
[42:57] » I agree. And I'm familiar with
[42:59] » That's what we're talking about for each
[43:00] end.
[43:01] » I'm familiar with rails.
[43:03] But,
[43:03] I wanted to also add a little small
[43:06] rabbit
[43:07] what what they call a rabbit light up
[43:10] that leads onto
[43:12] or into the the fresh way the runway
[43:14] threshold. Um okay. Which is something
[43:17] like Odell's or similar. That's what it
[43:19] provides. That's incredibly
[43:22] helpful when you're coming in from a
[43:23] distance and you trying and you're
[43:25] coming in at an angle. So,
[43:27] » Sure.
[43:28] » Adding that would be a good discussion
[43:30] to have. That's what we're trying to
[43:31] bring up. We would like to have it, I
[43:33] would say. I would take the liberty to
[43:34] say, yeah.
[43:36] » Yeah, absolutely. We will we will
[43:38] definitely show those.
[43:40] Um
[43:40] be happy to uh just providing some
[43:43] reasoning behind what we showed, but
[43:46] um yeah, the
[43:48] the
[43:49] the Odell's leading to the rails would
[43:51] be uh
[43:53] a very nice system to provide, you know,
[43:56] additional guidance to the runway end.
[43:58] » Yes, sir. And I'm not sure about the
[43:59] distance. I think it's 1,500 ft. I don't
[44:01] know if we would have that on 16.
[44:04] Maybe we would or it be close, but
[44:06] something
[44:07] that I think we should be able to look
[44:09] at. I hope that, uh, you guys can look
[44:10] at. So, one last comment is that some of
[44:13] the drainage ditches
[44:15] Yeah, that distance right there. I'm not
[44:17] sure how long it is, but
[44:19] » Uh, well, this
[44:21] It
[44:21] » 160 all the way to the roadway. Yeah.
[44:24] » Yeah.
[44:25] » I think it's close.
[44:26] » Less than a It Well, this is This is
[44:28] less than a thousand feet.
[44:30] » [clears throat and cough]
[44:30] » Um, the just as a
[44:33] a way of measuring, the distance from
[44:35] the threshold here to these aiming bars,
[44:38] it that's a thousand feet.
[44:40] » Okay.
[44:41] » So, the ODALS system, it can go over the
[44:44] road and into neighboring property if
[44:47] you were to
[44:48] acquire it or get easement to install a
[44:51] light there, that's definitely possible.
[44:54] » Yes, sir.
[44:54] » Uh, but it it may go into the property
[44:57] on the other side of the road.
[44:59] » Yes, sir.
[45:00] » We're going to have to move from this
[45:01] topic
[45:02] » Uh
[45:03] » For the sake of time.
[45:03] » Yeah, absolutely.
[45:04] » Um
[45:05] Was there anything else that we could
[45:06] build on that? Tony, did you have
[45:07] anything else, uh, as far as that
[45:10] you wanted to
[45:11] » Uh
[45:12] Uh No, sir. I I I Yeah, I've got some
[45:14] good direction here from this call.
[45:16] We'll We'll make some slight
[45:18] modifications, show the lights that we
[45:20] talked about, um, and finalize the
[45:23] layout, and then, um, I will, uh, pass
[45:27] the final
[45:29] development plan on to Eric, um, and to,
[45:33] um,
[45:33] to review further or approve, and we we
[45:36] wrap up this this project.
[45:38] » All right. Thank you very much. We
[45:39] appreciate your time and, uh,
[45:41] attention to it. Thank you.
[45:43] » Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
[45:45] Take care.
[45:46] » All right. Moving, uh, we need to We
[45:48] wanted to talk briefly on this item
[45:50] three.
[45:51] » I'm sorry. Before we move on.
[45:52] » Yes, sir.
[45:54] » What is the deadline that we need to
[45:56] have input gathered and provided to the
[45:59] city
[46:00] and Wolpert before they go forward with
[46:03] a plan to present to City Council for
[46:05] approval.
[46:06] » So right now they gave we gave you know
[46:07] you you gave recommendations on what
[46:09] you'd like to see.
[46:11] Um you'll put that together, provide to
[46:12] us, uh we'll make sure we look at it, uh
[46:15] see if it meets the recommendations of
[46:17] the city and then we'll present it to
[46:18] City Council, but we still have to get
[46:19] them uh to um
[46:22] get it to our agenda to to get that
[46:24] finalized, right? So uh
[46:27] it just depends on Woolpert on whatever
[46:29] their recommendations that would come
[46:30] out of that.
[46:31] » Didn't know if there was a contractual
[46:33] uh
[46:34] you know timeline that we're needing to
[46:36] have this done. In other words, is there
[46:38] some some calendar date driving
[46:42] decisions that we need to be mindful of?
[46:44] And the reason I ask, Eric, let me tell
[46:46] you the why first then I'll let you
[46:48] answer it. The reason I ask is is that
[46:50] we had the workshop and we had a few
[46:52] people come.
[46:53] And thankfully you came to the last EA
[46:55] meeting and you presented some stuff
[46:57] there. So what we've done is we've we've
[47:00] seeded this idea to the tenants.
[47:04] And a lot of them are talking and
[47:05] thinking, but I'm not sure we've really
[47:07] gathered all the input that might be out
[47:10] there still um that might we may want to
[47:13] consider, we being the city and um
[47:17] and and the council wants to consider
[47:20] before coming up with a plan for
[47:22] approval. And so I'd I'd like to allow
[47:25] that opportunity to exist. Now, if
[47:27] there's a hard deadline somewhere
[47:30] that needs to be met, then I think we
[47:33] need to adjust our timelines to gather
[47:35] the input we can from the tenants so
[47:39] that we can provide it in a timely
[47:41] fashion and everyone feels like they've
[47:43] had that opportunity to provide it to
[47:46] either whether that be through the
[47:47] advisory board or directly to you, Eric,
[47:49] but at least we've had that opportunity
[47:51] to make sure everybody understands. We
[47:53] need to know by this time, here's the
[47:55] information, here's the current update
[47:57] where we are. Just to kind of get that
[47:59] going and I think it'll be a lot
[48:01] smoother
[48:03] being accepted by the community
[48:05] if we were able to do something like
[48:07] that. So, that's why I was asking if
[48:08] there's a deadline.
[48:09] » So, yeah, I'll reach out to Woolpert to
[48:11] see if they
[48:12] you know, if they have a deadline. We'd
[48:14] like to get this wrapped up um
[48:16] sooner or later so we can implement this
[48:19] airport layout plan so we can you know,
[48:21] for future you know, budgetary
[48:24] uh year so we can budget some of these
[48:25] things out so we cuz
[48:28] uh I tried to get some MP funds finding
[48:30] out that I had to submit last month then
[48:32] I'm leaving money on the table, right?
[48:34] So, um the sooner we can get this thing
[48:37] done, the better is the plan for future
[48:40] uh improvements of the ALP. So, we'll
[48:43] I'll reach out to Woolpert and see uh
[48:45] what's their timeline uh of this and
[48:47] um and I'll let you know and um let uh
[48:50] the attendants know as well.
[48:52] » Okay, thank you, Eric.
[48:53] » Yeah, thank you, Greg. That certainly
[48:55] don't want to be caught
[48:57] short on Yes, sir.
[48:59] » I just wanted to add to that. Um our
[49:01] fiscal year starts October 1. We do like
[49:04] a council retreat as well. So, we kind
[49:05] of want to probably have it sometime
[49:07] before that. Um
[49:09] so, October 1 because like I said, Eric
[49:11] has a lot of funds that we could dip
[49:13] into so we want to kind of have projects
[49:15] already set aside that we want to kind
[49:16] of prioritize based off of this plan so
[49:19] we know where to allocate that money to
[49:21] in the future. So, October 1 is kind of
[49:23] our where we're going to start. I'm not
[49:25] saying that has to be, but we would like
[49:27] to have it around that time so we can
[49:28] kind of have a strategy moving forward.
[49:30] » I think that gives us a time frame we
[49:32] can work within. That'd be my
[49:34] recommendation here that we consider
[49:36] » Absolutely.
[49:36] » Facilitating something to gather it in
[49:38] time to meet that deadline.
[49:39] » Okay, thank you.
[49:41] The traffic pattern assessments with
[49:43] restriction, how has this been going? I
[49:45] know it's published and Eric, we're
[49:47] we're interested in the feedback that
[49:49] you're getting from the users.
[49:50] » So, um so so we finally um got it
[49:53] approved by Texarkana, I mean um the FAA
[49:56] to get it done. So, you'll see it on our
[49:57] supplement uh touch and go landing
[49:59] operations prohibited when four or more
[50:01] aircraft in the pattern.
[50:03] Uh we had some of it uh instructor local
[50:05] instructors that we have enforced these
[50:07] um
[50:08] uh some of these recommendations and we
[50:11] have seen uh
[50:12] you know
[50:14] the flight schools abide by these and
[50:16] either um go to this another uh airport
[50:19] or you know do their uh their full stops
[50:23] and let people in and or out. So, it
[50:25] it's had been working effectively and
[50:27] I'm glad that we were able to get
[50:29] something like that done and and and
[50:31] publish.
[50:32] » And let me just read this what we what
[50:34] is published in the you know terminal
[50:35] procedures, you know the the green book.
[50:37] It says [snorts]
[50:39] uh
[50:41] DGL touch and go landing operations
[50:44] abbreviated by OPNS operations
[50:45] prohibited when four or more aircraft
[50:47] operating in traffic pattern. So, what's
[50:50] pretty clear uh
[50:51] I mean that makes sense to
[50:53] to me and and I think uh
[50:56] so we're we're very
[50:58] interested in in the feedback and how if
[51:00] this does mitigate some of the
[51:02] congestion in the pattern going forward.
[51:04] If you just kind of
[51:06] uh apprise of that Eric, we'd appreciate
[51:08] that.
[51:10] The progress update on runway 34
[51:12] approach. I know that was kind of uh
[51:14] hinging on this airport layout plan. Has
[51:16] there been any movement or any
[51:17] discussion with uh FAA on that?
[51:19] » So, uh
[51:20] the so has been submitted. I spoke with
[51:23] um
[51:24] Joseph [snorts]
[51:26] uh
[51:27] uh spoke with the FAA about it. So, now
[51:29] they're in the um
[51:31] feasibility study phase of it. So, now
[51:33] they had to do the feasibility study.
[51:35] Once that's uh complete,
[51:37] um
[51:39] then we'll know if we have to cut down
[51:40] trees or anything like that for for that
[51:42] approach. Uh and then if that's the
[51:44] case, we'll have to cut them trees down
[51:46] to make sure we can uh meet those
[51:48] requirements.
[51:49] Then once that happens, then they'll do
[51:51] another um
[51:53] approach to see if everything that we've
[51:55] done was met. And then once that
[51:56] happens,
[51:58] it could be approved if nothing else,
[51:59] you know,
[52:01] hinders that approval. So it might from
[52:04] what I understand is things going to
[52:05] take
[52:06] uh some some more time. So
[52:09] um
[52:09] » But the discussion is I mean
[52:11] the dialogue is in progress cuz we know
[52:13] this is probably
[52:15] probably two or three years out.
[52:16] » At least.
[52:16] » You know, in the way the FAA and all
[52:18] that stuff. As long as we're moving in
[52:20] that direction and there's it's
[52:22] initiated and started.
[52:24] » And we're in the queue for the
[52:25] feasibility study now.
[52:26] » Okay, great. Thank you.
[52:28] And on item five, the last item of
[52:31] You know, I I had kind of pushed for
[52:33] this a little bit you know, with
[52:35] after the hangar and uh
[52:38] rate increase and all that is if there's
[52:40] any way that we can kind of show a
[52:41] little bit of
[52:43] appreciation to the tenants. If there's
[52:44] anything that we can do for
[52:47] fuel incentive, a special day for buy
[52:49] fuel to to get a discount,
[52:52] anything there that
[52:53] if there's any more thought on that.
[52:56] » Uh so we've been looking at some ideas
[52:58] maybe something, you know, like that to
[53:00] have a fly-in and and and reduce prices
[53:02] and stuff like that. But
[53:04] as far as you know, so gas prices are
[53:06] trending down and so and the prices that
[53:10] we currently have now, if you look, you
[53:12] know, in a 40-mi radius, we're very
[53:15] competitive of what we're doing. But of
[53:18] course we'd love to, you know, pass, you
[53:20] know, on
[53:21] some things to tenants, but there's we
[53:23] have to make sure that, you know, with
[53:24] that we do those with
[53:26] um
[53:27] with, you know, some type of events so
[53:29] we could draw draw some people in to,
[53:31] you know, to pass those savings on to
[53:32] everybody. But we're still still looking
[53:33] at options to see what we could do and
[53:36] you know, and how much and you know,
[53:38] what's what's the
[53:39] the value added to it. Of course, you
[53:42] know, everybody loves to say you want a
[53:43] little bit and we'll try, you know, that
[53:45] do our best to look at what we can do
[53:47] and maybe come up with an event to to,
[53:49] you know, to show that appreciation.
[53:51] » Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking I was, you
[53:53] know, kind of pushing for maybe one day
[53:55] of the week or a month, uh, whether it's
[53:57] be
[53:57] every week on a certain day or or or
[54:00] once a month or something to
[54:02] to spur, you know,
[54:06] people to come and buy buy more fuel,
[54:08] you know, cuz
[54:09] uh
[54:10] And and one other thing on that item,
[54:12] has there been any change in the the
[54:14] pricing method that we had discussed
[54:15] earlier in several meetings ago as far
[54:18] as how we would price fuel? I know the
[54:19] price is up now. I know costs have gone
[54:21] up. But
[54:22] has there been a change in the fight
[54:24] pricing strategy that we discussed
[54:26] earlier?
[54:27] » Uh, no. Yeah, no change in the pricing
[54:29] strategy. We still try to maintain, um,
[54:32] you know, the the profit margins that,
[54:34] you know, that uh, we try to abide by
[54:36] and and depending on the market of what
[54:39] the gas is going where we're trying to
[54:40] stay in that and also looking at market
[54:43] rate of what everybody else is uh, is
[54:45] um,
[54:46] is charging and try to be, you know, the
[54:48] best uh,
[54:49] around to, you know, to drive uh, people
[54:52] in without, um,
[54:54] without ruining our our our, you know,
[54:56] the profit margin that that we need to
[54:57] stay in to build some of these
[55:00] uh, some of these projects cuz
[55:01] like the the ALP, yes, we'll have some
[55:04] grant money to help with that, uh, from
[55:06] FAA and TxDOT, but all all the hangar
[55:09] stuff is going to come from us. So, the
[55:12] more that we can, you know, raise to get
[55:14] those things done, you know, the better
[55:16] it is, the more likely it is to get
[55:18] these hangars done. So,
[55:20] um, as long as you keep trying to to
[55:22] meet those profit margins to put back
[55:24] into the airport to build these
[55:25] facilities and build some of these
[55:27] amenities was going to help
[55:28] tremendously. So, uh, we're trying to do
[55:30] the best possible way to to make money
[55:32] as well as provide savings to everybody
[55:34] and and and that's a hard thing to do.
[55:36] » It is. But trying.
[55:37] » All right. Thank you so much.
[55:39] Uh, that concludes that. Any uh, request
[55:41] a motion to
[55:43] uh, end the meeting, please?
[55:45] » Um, I move that we uh,
[55:47] » Adjourn?
[55:48] » All right.
[55:49] » Uh, Albert, you second it?
[55:50] » I second.
[55:50] » Thank you.