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Heat. 68 00:08:25,665 --> 00:08:27,685 [music] 69 00:08:30,250 --> 00:08:32,270 » [music] 70 00:08:34,835 --> 00:08:36,855 [music] 71 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,200 » Heat. Heat. 72 00:08:45,971 --> 00:08:49,720 [music] 73 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,720 Heat. 74 00:08:57,106 --> 00:08:59,126 [music] 75 00:09:02,346 --> 00:09:04,366 [music] 76 00:10:44,527 --> 00:10:46,547 » [music] 77 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:54,160 » Good evening. This is the city council 78 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:57,600 special meeting of October 15, 2026. 79 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,519 Calling the meeting to order at 5:38 80 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,399 p.m. Would you please join me in the 81 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:05,120 pledge of allegiance? 82 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:07,600 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 83 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:10,640 United States of America and to the 84 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,600 republic for which it stands. One nation 85 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,622 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 86 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,642 justice for all. 87 00:11:16,622 --> 00:11:18,642 [clears throat] 88 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:24,320 » We have a full house of council members. 89 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:27,200 No one remotely attending. City clerk, 90 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,480 roll call, please. 91 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:28,880 » Council member Davis, 92 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,399 » Here. 93 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,160 » Council member Kern, 94 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:32,720 » Here. Council member Lent 95 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,000 » Here. 96 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,480 » Council member Okonnell 97 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,760 » Here. 98 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,680 » And Mayor Mackin 99 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,680 » Here. 100 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,519 » City Attorney, could we have a report 101 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,600 out of close session, please? 102 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,519 » Sure. Good evening. I closed session was 103 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:48,240 had on the item of the on the agenda and 104 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,640 there was there is no reportable action. 105 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:53,360 » Thank you. 106 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,519 This is a continuation of a public 107 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,519 hearing. 108 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:59,200 We welcome the public to comment or ask 109 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:01,279 questions during tonight's hearing. 110 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,279 Please fill out a form. They're on the 111 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,600 seats. You can also obtain one from the 112 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:08,000 city clerk. When you fill it out, please 113 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,959 hand it to the city clerk. Speakers will 114 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,720 have four minutes for each topic. And 115 00:12:10,959 --> 00:12:15,519 there's a timer on the screen that you 116 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:18,560 can use for reference. It's extremely 117 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:20,720 important for speakers to stay on topic. 118 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:22,560 If you don't stay on topic, I will have 119 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,040 to stop you, and I don't want to have to 120 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:27,279 do that. If a speaker continues to 121 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,440 ignore the rules, you'll be warned and 122 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:31,920 you may be precluded from speaking on 123 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:34,160 any other items tonight. But really the 124 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,560 important part is please be respectful 125 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,279 of others who also want their chance to 126 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:41,760 speak. 127 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,440 First item we have staff has a proposal 128 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,519 for a public hearing schedule. Would 129 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,560 like to have a short discussion about 130 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:51,200 the meetings. 131 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,200 Could we please put the table up on the 132 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,200 screen? 133 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,320 And do we have a um staff report on 134 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,320 this? 135 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:15,200 » Uh yes, Madame Mayor. And and in fact, I 136 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:19,600 I think we have a slide that may be a 137 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:23,040 little more uh visible to the public. Um 138 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,760 but uh as we as we tee that up, I'll 139 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:28,480 provide the context here. Uh we've 140 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:30,480 prepared a public hearing schedule based 141 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,160 on different topics and tonight is 142 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,480 October 15th, which would be the 143 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,800 remediation and phasing. Um I think 144 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:38,160 we've heard uh there we go. Uh we've 145 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,959 heard from both the council as well as 146 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,639 members of the public that um the 147 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:45,680 spacing of these meetings can sometimes 148 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:48,399 be a little um hard to deal with if uh 149 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:50,800 if you have two meetings within a week 150 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:52,160 of each other. Um particularly if you 151 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,720 have one on Thursday, the next one on 152 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:58,000 Monday, something like that. So we are 153 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:01,040 proposing from staff a modified schedule 154 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:04,240 that would at least have the meetings 155 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:07,279 once per week generally on a Thursday uh 156 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,040 so that there's one full week between um 157 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:12,079 each meeting in this public hearing and 158 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:15,440 that gives people enough time to 159 00:14:12,079 --> 00:14:18,800 um study the materials, prepare comments 160 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:21,440 um and and uh be ready for the next 161 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:24,240 meeting. Uh so what we would propose 162 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:28,160 would be uh changing the October 20th 163 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:32,240 meeting to October 22nd, changing the 164 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,720 October 26th meeting to October 29th, 165 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,120 and then the November 9th meeting to 166 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,720 November 12th. Um and the intention 167 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:41,120 again is that each of these meetings 168 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,760 would be one full week apart. Um which 169 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:47,880 would allow everybody a little better 170 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,880 chance to participate. 171 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:53,360 So is there may I ask is there a reason 172 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:56,800 why you chose Thursdays? 173 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,639 Uh no, other than uh looking at the 174 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:03,920 calendar and the availability of this 175 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:06,079 room and uh just and also 176 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:08,399 there's nothing magic other than it did 177 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:11,120 seem like that was a place to start and 178 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,639 as we looked at u how the calendar would 179 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,600 play out and the dates that were 180 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:17,360 available um it it they tended to land 181 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,079 on the Thursdays but there's nothing 182 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,519 magic about a Thursday um other than 183 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:23,440 wanting to just keep each of these 184 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:25,440 meetings one week apart from the next. 185 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,600 » Okay. So, I I'm just going to speak up 186 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:30,000 because we had a lot of hearings on 187 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,880 Tuesdays. 188 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,279 Um I have county meetings on Thursdays 189 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,680 when we don't have council meetings. So, 190 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,600 I would be missing my county meetings in 191 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:44,519 October, November, and potentially 192 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,519 December. That's a lot to miss. 193 00:15:48,079 --> 00:15:54,320 Anyone else? 194 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:56,880 I'm happy to go with anything. And you 195 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,920 know, I know that it's a lot for the 196 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,920 staff and a lot for the council, but I 197 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:05,519 think we need to really persevere on 198 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:08,800 with the original schedule. Mhm. 199 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:12,720 Well, and if if we were to 200 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:16,160 change this, I just I wondered if going 201 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:19,199 by the original Tuesdays 202 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,360 and we had some Mondays if we could work 203 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:24,000 on Mondays and Tuesdays and then I don't 204 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,600 miss all those county meetings. 205 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,000 » Certainly, yes, we can look at the 206 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,320 schedule again. And I apologize. I was 207 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,759 not aware of that conflict and uh 208 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,600 certainly we want all of the council 209 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:36,320 members to be able to participate and 210 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,639 particularly the mayor but everybody. So 211 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:42,880 um we can look at those Mondays and 212 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:45,199 Tuesdays and um make sure that we are uh 213 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,880 not providing conflicts that um people 214 00:16:45,199 --> 00:16:48,959 have for their other responsibilities. 215 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,279 » Okay. And then maybe if you can confer 216 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:54,560 with Angel and staff they have our 217 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:55,839 schedules and and come back to us 218 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,519 » With something else. We 219 00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:59,120 » Certainly can. Thank you. 220 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:01,279 » Can I ask a quick question because our 221 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,360 next one is so close. 222 00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:06,319 » Are we going to meet on the 20th or the 223 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,760 22nd? 224 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,400 » I think we need to iron out at least 225 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,480 that. 226 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,720 » Didn't our city attorney have an issue 227 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:17,199 with the 22nd? 228 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:19,679 » Yes. I cannot make the 22nd or the 29th. 229 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:21,919 » So, let's assume we would keep the 20th 230 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:25,120 and work from there. Does that meet 231 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:27,280 everyone's approval? 232 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:29,760 » Okay. with one question, Madame Mayor, 233 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,559 if I may. Uh, does that mean on the 20th 234 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:35,120 that Kevin will be back bringing back a 235 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:37,039 revised schedule for us to review? 236 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:39,120 » Kevin, 237 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:42,400 » Uh, we will endeavor to do that. Uh, I 238 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:44,640 will work with Angel to hopefully come 239 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,000 up with a schedule and, uh, have another 240 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,880 proposal at that time. 241 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,640 » Thank you. 242 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,640 » Okay. 243 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,320 So, recapping from our last hearing, I 244 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,400 believe council also had asked for 245 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:57,120 proposals and costs obtaining a peer 246 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:59,440 review of the Bayands energy plan. I 247 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:01,520 believe Kevin again, our interim 248 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:05,480 community development director, you may 249 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,480 have a report on this. 250 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:18,000 Uh yes, and I can provide some 251 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:21,520 background on how this has evolved. Uh 252 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:25,919 there was originally a energy study 253 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:29,200 prepared by uh Thornton Thomaseti uh 254 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:31,120 that was used in the EIR. uh our 255 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,440 environmental consultant ESA had 256 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:35,760 utilized that they had initially looked 257 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,000 at the methodology 258 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:42,400 and although the study was uh a few 259 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:45,679 years old uh used some of their own um 260 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,160 metrics and and uh and their their uh 261 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:51,440 kind of understanding to determine that 262 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,600 the study could be used in the EIR. Uh 263 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,000 however, we have heard concerns 264 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,799 particularly with the age of that study 265 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,600 um and the source of the study. So um we 266 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:03,200 were directed to obtain a peerreview 267 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,720 proposal. 268 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Uh staff went to Ramble uh associates 269 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:13,200 which has been doing other other energy 270 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:15,679 studies for other projects in Brisbane 271 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,720 and they are known um for this kind of 272 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:20,880 work. Um so we first tried to identify 273 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,039 who would do a peer review, identified 274 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:27,280 Ramble and then got a proposal from 275 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:31,280 Ramble. Um they have uh proposed a study 276 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:36,080 that would look over the Thomasi study 277 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,760 and uh provide a both a uh technical 278 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,240 assessment as well as a technical 279 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,679 memorandum with their conclusions on the 280 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:46,799 adequacy of the prior Thomas study. Um 281 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:49,600 and um anything that may be uh would 282 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:52,799 need to be done either as followup um as 283 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:56,799 applicable. Uh the study would uh the 284 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:59,120 peer review would cost $17,250 285 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:02,240 and would take uh is estimated to take 286 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:04,640 from four to six weeks. Uh since that 287 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:07,679 time uh we have heard from other council 288 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:10,320 members interest in getting other bids. 289 00:20:07,679 --> 00:20:12,880 Um this was one bid that we went out for 290 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,799 to a vendor that we are familiar with, 291 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:18,559 but that does not mean we cannot get 292 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:20,559 other bids. Um there's also uh I've been 293 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:23,200 told of interest in getting a full new 294 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:25,600 study as opposed to a peer review. So 295 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:28,400 should either of those be uh of interest 296 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:31,280 to the council, staff can follow up with 297 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:35,520 either engaging other consultants uh and 298 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:39,120 or uh getting a proposal for a full uh 299 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:41,440 new study as opposed to a peer review. 300 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:43,039 » Thank you, Kevin. Um let's get some 301 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:48,159 input from the council. Council member 302 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:52,480 Okonnell, one bid or for a um one bid or 303 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:54,960 a full new study or more bids? 304 00:20:52,480 --> 00:21:00,159 So, I have a question for staff if I may 305 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:04,080 on this. Um if we were to 306 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:07,520 use this study that as is in the in our 307 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:10,559 deliberations and for the base purposes 308 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:14,559 when a project an individual project 309 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:17,440 gets pulled to permits pulled for that 310 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:20,640 would an an energy assessment be 311 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:24,080 required from for that or could we write 312 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:26,880 that into our specific plan that an 313 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:30,080 additional energy assessment could be 314 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,480 applied to that specific building permit 315 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,679 as they are issued. [snorts] 316 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:38,720 » Yeah. So the the existing 317 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:41,919 um study on energy generation related to 318 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,480 the buildings isn't regulatory. So yeah, 319 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:48,480 a building a developer or an applicant 320 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:50,799 coming in isn't required to match those 321 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,400 particular standards. Those were, you 322 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:55,919 know, projections that were used to 323 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:57,679 develop the overall um energy model that 324 00:21:55,919 --> 00:22:03,360 ESA developed in connection with the 325 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:05,679 EIR. Um the specific plan requires 326 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:08,640 um very specific 327 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:11,200 criteria with respect to energy 328 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,760 performance um as as does the building 329 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:16,480 code um for new buildings coming in. So 330 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:18,880 that would be what new projects are held 331 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,679 to. they would be um required to meet 332 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,320 the performance standards defined in the 333 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:26,640 specific plan. Um although it's been 334 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,640 discussed and and it's been asked about, 335 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,559 the specific plan does not currently 336 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:36,480 have a backwardslooking 337 00:22:32,559 --> 00:22:39,760 um energy report after buildings have 338 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,480 been developed. The focus has been on 339 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,840 forwardlooking performance standards. um 340 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:49,679 that tends to be more reliable and and 341 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:53,039 easier to enforce. But if we can again 342 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:55,600 at council's direction that there are 343 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:59,520 things that can be added to the plan uh 344 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:01,039 to try and track energy use, what you do 345 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,520 with that information. We, you know, 346 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:05,280 we'll have to talk more about it, but um 347 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,400 that's that's a snapshot of where we are 348 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,760 today. 349 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:12,799 » Okay. So, but they do have to to meet 350 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,720 current energy guidelines. It's more how 351 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,440 much energy would need to be generated 352 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,840 on site that is the concern. 353 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,240 » Correct. Yes. So the the study that was 354 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:25,120 generated showed different building 355 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,320 typologies and made assumptions about 356 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:30,559 how much energy those buildings a would 357 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,440 use and b potentially could you know 358 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:36,159 generate based on their on-site 359 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,640 capabilities. Um it's a little dated. So 360 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:41,039 if anything, the the assumptions in that 361 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:44,159 study are are conservative and would 362 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:46,480 overstate energy consumption compared to 363 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:49,200 current standards. And as we discussed 364 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:51,760 in uh previous meetings, the specific 365 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:55,120 plan does have you forward-looking 366 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,000 performance standards uh for energy 367 00:23:55,120 --> 00:24:02,320 efficiency, on-site energy generation, 368 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:05,840 and would be pegged to then current both 369 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,120 building code and lead code requirements 370 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,200 at the time they're coming in for 371 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,559 building permits. So that they would we 372 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,200 would expect to see their performance 373 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,880 improve over time. And and even if it 374 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,240 wasn't based just on the building 375 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:22,240 itself, we could write into the specific 376 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:26,880 plan, if we needed to um a more 377 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:29,520 aggressive amount of um developer 378 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,919 provided on-site energy if we were to 379 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,880 decide to do that. 380 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:36,480 » Yes. Thank you, 381 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,480 » Council Member Lens. 382 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:43,919 » Yeah. Um 383 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:47,520 so yeah I had uh asked staff if uh if we 384 00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:51,200 um required a a second bid and they said 385 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:53,520 it was up to the council. So um in 386 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,080 previous meetings I had mentioned uh 387 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,400 integral group they were the ones that 388 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:03,440 had uh helped us with our sustainability 389 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,960 framework and um now they are part of 390 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,440 introba 391 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:11,600 and so um I had shared that information 392 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:16,080 with staff and so um I'm sure that this 393 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:18,240 um firm that uh um that Kevin had uh 394 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,480 suggested would do a good job but I 395 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:24,159 think it would um I think would be 396 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:27,520 helpful to hear from uh Introba as well, 397 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:30,400 especially since uh the person that 398 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,960 would potentially do the new study or 399 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,120 peer review uh worked on our 400 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,200 sustainability framework and has an 401 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:42,400 understanding of um the uh 402 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,640 you know the the project. 403 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,360 So, are you 404 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,039 you're saying that you would solicit one 405 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,679 more bid from Entroba? 406 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,400 » Correct. Or Yeah, I I I think at least 407 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:55,039 that. 408 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:58,799 » Okay. And uh Council Member Okonnell 409 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:01,760 » As a peer review or as a new study. 410 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:04,400 » You know, I I don't have like the 411 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:07,120 knowledge to know what would be 412 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,960 appropriate. Um I I just know that if 413 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:14,080 you if you have a developer who's we're 414 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:16,480 using their um study, um it would be 415 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,039 wise for the city to at least peer 416 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,400 review, but [clears throat] we have uh 417 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,279 you know a certain amount of years that 418 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,520 have gone by and I have heard that 419 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,919 council members would like to see a new 420 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,240 study. So I I I'd be open for a new 421 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:32,240 study as well. 422 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,159 » Okay. And Council Member Okonnell, I'm 423 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,240 not sure I got a a final 424 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:38,960 » I I was waiting. I didn't know if anyone 425 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:42,960 else had questions, but for me, I think 426 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:45,760 that we should build in better into our 427 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,320 specific plan what we're looking for and 428 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,039 what targets we're looking for. And that 429 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,960 a peer-reviewed study of the existing 430 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:55,360 data is really not going to give us the 431 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:59,120 information we want. and a whole new 432 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:01,279 study maybe again out of date once we 433 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:03,360 know what the uses are. So that it's 434 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:05,600 better to tie it to the whatever uses 435 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:08,720 are being proposed at the time they're 436 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:11,919 proposed and have safeguards in that 437 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,279 respect. So I would say no study and no 438 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:16,080 peer review. 439 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:17,360 » Okay. So using what is existing 440 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,799 » Using what's existing. 441 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:23,919 » All right. Council member Kern. 442 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:25,919 » Thank you Madame Mayor. Um, Kevin, if I 443 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:28,320 may, I have just process questions 444 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:29,840 today. This is uh stuff that I I was 445 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,760 going through your your staff report and 446 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,520 your email that I have questions on. You 447 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,520 say it's going to take potentially four 448 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,440 to six weeks to do the peer review. How 449 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,679 much time does it take to do an whole 450 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,679 new study? 451 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,880 Um, I would need to get an estimate for 452 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:49,360 that. Uh, I did contact uh Ramble today 453 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:52,400 and I'm happy to contact uh others as 454 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:55,120 well. Integral um as needed. 455 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,919 uh to get an estimate for that. Uh so it 456 00:27:55,120 --> 00:28:01,279 would take more. Uh so the four to six 457 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:04,080 weeks is based on a total of 50 hours of 458 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:07,120 staff time. Um everything from 20 hours 459 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,799 of document review uh some meetings to 460 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,640 gather information, technical 461 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:14,320 assessment, memorandum, and project 462 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:17,520 management. Um so a new study would be 463 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,919 more um and hopefully as quickly as 464 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,480 possible we could get you uh an answer 465 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:24,159 to what more would be. Uh but uh in any 466 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,159 case I I don't have that information 467 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:28,240 quite yet. 468 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:31,840 » Thank you. Can we just do a bread box or 469 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:34,000 Buick game on this? Is it years to do a 470 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,880 study? I'm just I'm trying to 471 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,559 understand, you know, just a rough just 472 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,640 we're not going to hold you to it. Just 473 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:44,960 take a guess. Uh we're estimating what? 474 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,520 Three months to 475 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,679 » Two to three months. So uh yeah. So, 476 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,919 it's uh I would guess it's incrementally 477 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:54,880 more, but not years, it's months. 478 00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:56,399 » Okay. Thank you. Um I saw the price in 479 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760 your email that you you got the quote 480 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,919 on. I think you quoted a little bit 481 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:02,799 earlier in this meeting. Is that as 482 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:05,600 expected? Is that a reasonable number? 483 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:08,399 » Uh it is. Uh so it's for 50 hours of 484 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:13,600 work. So if you just do the basic math, 485 00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:16,640 that's $345 an hour. Um which is, you 486 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,480 know, this is highly specialized work. 487 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:22,640 So, uh that is typical of what we see 488 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,080 for this type of work for this kind of 489 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,080 study. That said, um we're happy to get 490 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,720 more bids, uh if that gives more 491 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,440 confidence and um I I would expect it'll 492 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,399 be in the same range, but um that is 493 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,919 kind of where the numbers add up. 494 00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:39,679 » Okay, thank you for that. And then the 495 00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:42,960 last question I think is you as well, 496 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:45,600 Kevin. So if we have the peer review 497 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,000 done to the existing energy study, 498 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,000 there's almost no incentive for the 499 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,480 company doing the peer review to say 500 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520 this is a okay, please move forward. So 501 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,200 they're going to come back with 502 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,039 information that may be contradictory to 503 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,960 what's in the original energy study. 504 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:01,120 Whose job is it to go and do the 505 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,360 comparison and make sense out of it and 506 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,360 make a determination which study is the 507 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,279 right study and the right information to 508 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,960 move forward with? 509 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,480 I mean that is an inherent challenge 510 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,960 with peer review. Um I will say I have 511 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,120 been uh part of peer review or or had 512 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,600 peer reviews done where the finding does 513 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,039 come back that the study was acceptable. 514 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,120 So I don't think it's a foregone 515 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,279 conclusion that um there would need to 516 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,520 be more work to be done. However, I 517 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:32,000 think that's a good point because then 518 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,679 there is a possible scenario if the 519 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,960 study comes back or the peer review 520 00:30:33,679 --> 00:30:41,200 comes back identifying u recommendations 521 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:44,159 for further work then you're adding new 522 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,159 more work as well. Um so that that would 523 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:48,720 be the unknown. you you hope for the 524 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:50,960 best uh 525 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,960 uh the the best case scenario which 526 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,080 would be to affirm that the original 527 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,679 study was was done and defendable. Uh 528 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000 but you also have to be prepared for the 529 00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:02,000 outcome that there may be more work to 530 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,720 be done based on the peer review. 531 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:08,000 » And then one uh just to to continue to 532 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,399 build on what what Kevin was saying 533 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,120 just to keep in perspective where the 534 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:16,640 where the report fits into the overall 535 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,120 framework. It was one of the inputs that 536 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,320 ESA consulted when they were developing 537 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:26,799 their overall uh energy projections that 538 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:28,720 were analyzed in the EIR. So the 539 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,960 question I mean the the way as we were 540 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,120 talking about in response to council 541 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,240 member Okonnell's question the energy 542 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,799 study itself isn't regulatory. It was 543 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,120 one input to help get to the figures and 544 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:44,000 the projections that show how much 545 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:47,200 energy is being consumed and project and 546 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,159 produced within the bay lands area. So 547 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,799 then the question would be um is that 548 00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:56,559 study still adequate for that purpose or 549 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,240 do we need to adjust the assumptions and 550 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,080 show that maybe you know buildings are 551 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,559 consuming a little less energy than in 552 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,159 projected or a little bit more and 553 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,200 depending on the results of that that 554 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:09,600 peer review. but it would change, you 555 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,360 know, one of the inputs to one of the 556 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:15,360 technical studies that the city's team 557 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:18,320 produced to help assess one of the 558 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,080 factors in the EIR 559 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,159 if if that helps in terms of the 560 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,720 process. 561 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:26,240 » Thank you. And Madame Mayor, 562 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,519 » Am I allowed to be asking this many 563 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,039 questions or are we supposed to be going 564 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,799 round robin one by one 565 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,919 » On this one? Let's just 566 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,480 » Okay, I only have one more. 567 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:34,480 » Okay. 568 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,240 » I think this is for you, Eric, as well. 569 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:42,200 Are the costs for the peer review or the 570 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,200 new study reimburseable? 571 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:50,399 » Yep. Yeah. That that yes, that all the 572 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,320 all project costs are currently covered 573 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:55,519 by our reimbursement agreement. Anything 574 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,200 that's necessary to process this 575 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,399 forward. 576 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,200 » Thank you. I don't have any more 577 00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:02,080 questions. Thank you. 578 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:05,080 » So, what is your input on how to 579 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,080 proceed? 580 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,600 At this time, I think that doing a peer 581 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:14,559 review is fine. 582 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:18,559 » Okay. Thank you, Mayor Prom Davis. 583 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:20,880 Um well what I gathered from the hearing 584 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:23,840 in which we discussed this it seemed 585 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,880 that the peer review was out of date and 586 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,559 staff felt that the figures calculated 587 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:35,840 were conservative that in fact 588 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:37,919 technology has improved and the 53% that 589 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600 was estimated in the study for on-site 590 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:42,159 generation would actually it would 591 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,600 actually be more in reality and would 592 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:47,919 probably get better as time progressed, 593 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:51,919 you know, from when from now until when 594 00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:54,720 the site was ultimately built. So based 595 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:57,120 on the that 596 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,039 information that these numbers seem to 597 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:04,799 be stale, 598 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:07,039 I don't know if a peer review of a study 599 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,960 with stale numbers will shake out the 600 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,000 real numbers 601 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,560 or if it makes sense to just conduct a 602 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,560 new study. Um, so that was something 603 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,720 that I was kind of struggling with, like 604 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,440 what's the value of peer-reviewing a 605 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:23,839 study we already know has stale numbers 606 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,599 from four years ago. Um, so that's 607 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:28,079 something up for discussion. I think 608 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:31,200 this kind of gets back to what is the 609 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:34,720 goal and from what I heard from council 610 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:37,520 questions and the public was that 53% of 611 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:39,760 on-site generation doesn't meet what we 612 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,520 think in our mind as being energy 613 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,919 neutral. And so instead of trying to 614 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,399 come up with numbers in a study that 615 00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:50,560 prove whether it is or whether it isn't, 616 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:52,960 I think you just work backwards from the 617 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,960 goal and as council member Okonnell 618 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,280 mentioned and you just work the 619 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,000 threshold into the specific plan that 620 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,079 you want to see. So I think it may just 621 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,240 be a conversation for the council to 622 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,280 have in deliberations and saying okay 623 00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:10,079 energy neutral to us means X. It may 624 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,760 mean 85% 625 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:16,800 of the development's energy is produced 626 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:22,640 on site and we'll allow 15% 627 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:26,560 in you know uh PCE eco 100 628 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:29,359 » Um supplement. So I think that that's 629 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,520 what protects you ultimately is having 630 00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:34,640 your specific plan be as strong as 631 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,400 possible and let them figure it out. 632 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,760 they can figure out they can come up 633 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:42,320 with a study and figure out how they're 634 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:46,560 going to do that. So I I to me if we 635 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:50,720 want to see this be more energy neutral 636 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,560 than what the current study shows I 637 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:54,320 think we just build that threshold into 638 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,400 the specific plan and we don't worry 639 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,000 about how they're going to figure that 640 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:02,560 out. We just put it in there. So I don't 641 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,240 even know that if if that's the course 642 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,400 really the course that protects us the 643 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,640 most. I would say you would just pursue 644 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,280 that and not need to spend time and 645 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,040 money on a study that may give you 646 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,640 results in which you're still reviewing 647 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,320 and saying well this is not energy 648 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,040 neutral. 649 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,240 So I would say you just pursue the the 650 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:25,119 goal that you want to see happen 651 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:26,640 right from that from the get-go. So 652 00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,839 that's my thought. 653 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:32,560 So, you're in favor of just using the 654 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:35,440 existing existing study? 655 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,640 » Yeah. But I would say I'm in I'm in 656 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,640 favor of crafting the specific plan to 657 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:44,720 meet the goal that we want to achieve. 658 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:47,040 » Right. Okay. All right. Um, hearing what 659 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:51,040 everyone has said, 660 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,640 I'm a little reluctant to consider that 661 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:56,720 all of us sitting on the council are 662 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:59,280 energy experts to know what criteria 663 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:01,760 should be used in a specific plan as the 664 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,400 ultimate safeguard. I would rather have 665 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,960 a peer review where even if someone 666 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,200 brings up new information or says this 667 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,359 is a little wonky by today's standards, 668 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,839 at least we have someone giving us some 669 00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:15,839 guidance that's more current than just 670 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:17,359 us sitting here talking about it and 671 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:19,359 going, "Well, we'll let them figure it 672 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:21,119 out and we'll just put in the specific 673 00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:23,680 plan what sounds good and call it a 674 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:26,079 day." So, I would be in favor of a peer 675 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,160 review. I appreciate uh council member 676 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,520 Lent what you said about Entroba, but I 677 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:34,240 think we're going to delay this too 678 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:37,280 long. Um if Ramble has done work for the 679 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,680 city and it it seems reasonable, the 680 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,680 cost does not seem extraordinary in the 681 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,359 world of consultants, I would be in 682 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,359 favor of just proceeding on that basis. 683 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:49,680 And if they say four to six weeks, I'd 684 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:50,560 ask them to try to meet four if they can 685 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,160 do that. 686 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,480 » Can I ask a follow-up question? 687 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,839 » Sure. So I didn't ask this directly of 688 00:37:54,480 --> 00:38:01,200 staff but do you feel that we are going 689 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:03,440 to get that to peer review a study that 690 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,960 we know is stale 691 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,400 is 692 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,000 the best path forward to give us is it 693 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920 going to give us more updated 694 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,880 information 695 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,800 or is the best path forward a new study 696 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,400 cuz right you want to have the most 697 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,079 accurate information that's what we're 698 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,560 seeking 699 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,720 » Isn't that objective question though. I 700 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,079 mean, 701 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:28,000 » How do we [laughter] But I mean, 702 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,680 they would know better than me, right? 703 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,720 Would you would you are you going to get 704 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,079 the most accurate information 705 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,920 peer-reviewing a study with stale 706 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:36,079 numbers or are you going to get it 707 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,079 conducting a brand new study? I don't 708 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:39,079 know. 709 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:47,280 » Uh so my I would expect that Ramble or 710 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:49,839 whoever does the peer review, they're 711 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,440 looking more at methodology. So yes, 712 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:53,680 they will acknowledge that the numbers 713 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,359 are older. You know, some of it is that 714 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,520 there's also been a, you know, building 715 00:38:55,359 --> 00:39:00,320 code update since that first study was 716 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:04,000 done. So already you're looking forward 717 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,480 and um assuming there's going to be more 718 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,280 efficiency down the road. Um now maybe 719 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,880 the peer review gives you a little more 720 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640 indication to [clears throat] 721 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,040 what I'm hearing from council in 722 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,160 building in some of the objectives into 723 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,520 the plan. So you you know you would have 724 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:23,040 those metrics and as they are critiquing 725 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,800 methodology they may be able to provide 726 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:28,960 that kind of insights. Um, and I I 727 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,560 believe um the assistant city attorney 728 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,640 also has some thoughts on this, but uh 729 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,560 those are my initial um the other thing 730 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,400 I just wanted to add um we're doing a 731 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,800 little bit of phone a friend here in 732 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,880 terms of just the uh if you were to do a 733 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,200 full study 734 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,240 maybe around $70,000 735 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:50,880 and two three two to three months. 736 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:55,599 » I I do have one question. this study 737 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:57,280 influenced the EIR and at that point if 738 00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,160 something else different numbers come 739 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,800 into the EIR then we have to update the 740 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,359 EIR does that make the EIR have to go 741 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,440 back to the planning commission to be 742 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,640 re-evaluated. 743 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,119 Um, 744 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,400 » Yeah. So, so the standard with the EI, 745 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:17,520 as long as we don't identify new 746 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:20,160 information that identifies a new or 747 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:23,440 more severe environmental impact, we 748 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:26,000 don't have to reopen the EIR. And I 749 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:28,400 think the most likely 750 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:31,440 result based on everything that everyone 751 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,800 has discussed is that if anything, 752 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:38,079 again, the the energy study likely 753 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:41,119 overstates how much buildings will 754 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,880 consume and understates how much can be 755 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:45,920 produced based on on current 756 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,440 technologies, which means that the EI 757 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,839 discloses 758 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,040 likely a conservative 759 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:55,680 use of energy and a conservative impact. 760 00:40:53,040 --> 00:41:00,480 So, anything that we get back, we would 761 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:03,280 expect would show that we have less 762 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,520 energy use and a a smaller energy impact 763 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,319 than was already disclosed in the in the 764 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,960 EIR. 765 00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:12,720 » But, but isn't that based on whatever 766 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,800 the end use is of that building? And I 767 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:17,760 don't think that when the energy study 768 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,040 was done necessarily that's going to be 769 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:25,520 the end use of that building whether it 770 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:27,359 be office or biotech or whatever. Well, 771 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,839 and that's that's what the study looked 772 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:32,640 at the different land uses and and 773 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:36,000 building types and and assumed energy 774 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,599 use based on those building types and 775 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,440 those 776 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,079 and what would be allowed to be built. 777 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,599 But you're you're right. I there's a a 778 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,720 joke among consultants that you know 779 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,560 every every model is wrong but some of 780 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,880 them are useful and so the hope that 781 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,960 you're you're right it doesn't tell us 782 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,880 the future it doesn't tell us exactly 783 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,480 what's going to be built because we 784 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,480 don't we don't know everything you just 785 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,680 said is correct but it does give us 786 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:05,119 information about what's likely based on 787 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:07,440 what's allowed so we can get a sense for 788 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,400 how close we are to those targets and 789 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,839 council can make 790 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:15,280 » Wouldn't it make more sense And since 791 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:19,280 the environmental impacts are likely to 792 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:25,960 be less in a more energyconservative 793 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:25,960 era when this gets built. um that 794 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:34,000 it's better to put the 795 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:36,800 regulation 796 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:40,160 onto the building itself 797 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,599 as far as what the overall project uses 798 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,680 to be energy quote unquote neutral and 799 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,640 what is consumed on what is produced on 800 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,680 site. 801 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,319 » Yeah. And that's consistent with the 802 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,560 approach that's been taken so far that 803 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:57,520 and the study was used as an input to 804 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,920 come up with numbers. But the approach 805 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,400 is more of a forward-looking regulatory 806 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:05,040 approach to have specific performance 807 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,440 standards for how buildings will be 808 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,280 developed, how they will use energy 809 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,800 prospectively going forward. What 810 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,839 standards do they have to meet when they 811 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:16,720 pull their their permits? So yeah, I 812 00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:18,800 think one approach could be exactly what 813 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,240 you're saying is to to follow that 814 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,040 framework that has already been 815 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,119 recommended and potentially add to it if 816 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,720 if there's a a desire to make that 817 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:28,240 » One other question I have and this is 818 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:31,040 sort of going to throw a monkey wrench 819 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:34,480 into it all. Um 820 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,119 when we did the EI when the EIR was done 821 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:41,280 many of these studies are now four, 822 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:45,359 five, six years old. So wouldn't that 823 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:48,240 mean all the studies are staleated? 824 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:50,720 » Well, yeah. And and part of part of SQA 825 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:53,200 is one of the concepts that's baked into 826 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:55,440 it is typically we look at the 827 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,040 environment at the time that the notice 828 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,800 of preparation was issued when the 829 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,200 studies began so that we're not 830 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,599 constantly chasing our tails and trying 831 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,240 to 832 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,319 » And what was that date? The notice of 833 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,280 preparation on this, I'd have to go back 834 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:11,599 and look that it was several years ago 835 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,680 at this point. 2020ish. 836 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:16,640 Yeah. 2020 probably in that 837 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:20,160 » Ballpoint. So, so in in all likelihood 838 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:24,319 almost all the studies that this D is 839 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:27,760 based on are somewhat stale. And so if 840 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:29,440 we're not going to be chasing our tails, 841 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,240 I think we have to move forward with it. 842 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:34,560 And the the one maybe one good thing 843 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:37,040 about although again everything you just 844 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,040 said is correct. I I will say that 845 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,000 throughout the EI just like I 846 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,599 characterize the energy um study as 847 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:47,359 conservative 848 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:49,280 um the consultant team used very 849 00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:52,560 conservative assumptions throughout the 850 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:55,359 impact analysis so that we even as 851 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,640 conditions change we would have the the 852 00:44:55,359 --> 00:45:01,440 outside envelope of what impacts are um 853 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,920 as you technology improves or as 854 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,920 regulations get stronger again typically 855 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:08,800 what we see in practice is a lot impacts 856 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,319 end up, you know, being smaller than 857 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,040 what were ultimately modeled. But 858 00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:14,480 because of the way SQA is structured, 859 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,960 because of that standard we talked about 860 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,920 before, new or more severe impacts 861 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,160 coming up later can reopen the process. 862 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,800 We tend to be very conservative and look 863 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,119 at the worst case um when we're 864 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,720 evaluating impacts so that we have a 865 00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:30,720 little buffer to work with. 866 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,079 » Thank you. 867 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,119 » Council member Lance, do you have 868 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:37,920 comments? 869 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:40,480 » Um, yeah. you know um measure JJ says 870 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,720 that the project's supposed to be 871 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:48,160 designed for being uh energy neutral and 872 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:50,400 based upon the information that 873 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:54,640 we have 874 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:58,720 it appears that it's it falls short and 875 00:45:54,640 --> 00:46:00,319 we discovered that the study was uh 876 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,200 commissioned by the developer and that 877 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:04,720 it was not peer-reviewed. 878 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,440 I heard what you're saying, Council 879 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:10,079 Member Council Member Okonnell, and and 880 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,680 also thank you, Eric, for your your 881 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:17,200 input. 882 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:19,920 I do think that having the peer review, 883 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,240 having that information is also 884 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,319 beneficial to the public. It shows that 885 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:27,119 we are doing the work, that we were 886 00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:30,240 paying attention, and that we want to 887 00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:33,200 fulfill the requirements of measure JJ. 888 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:36,227 So, 889 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,160 you know, I mean, that's to me 890 00:46:36,227 --> 00:46:41,520 [clears throat] doing the peer review, 891 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:44,319 the $17,000 which will be reimbursed by 892 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:48,800 the developer like all the other things 893 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:51,440 that we um uh all the other studies and 894 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,560 other requirements that we pay for that 895 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:59,119 get reimbursed from this project that 896 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,680 that will occur. And so, um, it just 897 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:04,560 seems to me that that it's kind of a 898 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:07,280 no-brainer that we should do this. 899 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,359 » Okay. Council member Kern, 900 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,800 » I don't have any further comments. Mayor 901 00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:14,160 Prom Davis, 902 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,720 » I think we we just have different 903 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,960 perspectives on how to achieve a result, 904 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,640 but if it's going to be a hangup for 905 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,240 other council members to feel like they 906 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,160 can move forward and adopting the 907 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:29,119 specific plan, then I would say just do 908 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:32,720 it like but I would I would be in favor 909 00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:35,760 of Mayor Mackin's suggestion to try and 910 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,920 get him to do it in four weeks. 911 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:40,319 » Okay. And I have one question then to 912 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,440 ask. So, if you put this burden on 913 00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:46,480 anyone applying for permits that in 914 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:49,839 order to submit permits, you have to do 915 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:52,079 an energy study to construct a building. 916 00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:55,920 Are you're you're then talking about 917 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:59,119 $70,000 per building. Is that am I 918 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:01,680 reading that right? 919 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:03,839 If you put it on the the far end going, 920 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,480 well, okay, 921 00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:09,119 different buildings and if if the 922 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,880 property owner was ready, let's say 923 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,200 they're going to build a a commercial 924 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,359 building or two and they they want to 925 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,440 submit an application for permits. And 926 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:21,440 if the requirement in the specific plan 927 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:24,960 said you must do a current energy study, 928 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:27,280 you're you're looking at roughly $70,000 929 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,079 current. It could be in that 930 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,359 » These studies. 931 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,200 » It could be in that neighborhood, maybe 932 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:33,200 a little less if you're just doing one 933 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,280 building. Um, so these studies are 934 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,319 looking at multiple building types. So, 935 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,440 you know, there is kind of an 936 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:41,359 incremental increase in cost, but um, 937 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,920 yeah, it would not be an insignificant 938 00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:45,359 amount of money. It's uh, um, it would 939 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,200 be in that neighborhood. 940 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:51,040 » Okay. All right. It it just wrapping 941 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,200 this up, it sounds like there are three 942 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,720 of us would like to at least do a peer 943 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,119 review and so if we can give that 944 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:02,880 direction to staff 945 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:05,680 um council member um Lent, would you be 946 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,920 amanable then to using Ramble? 947 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:10,153 » Yeah, you know, I I I would be fine if 948 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,800 that means uh moving forward in a 949 00:49:10,153 --> 00:49:14,960 [clears throat] 950 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:17,520 um you know a manner that that keeps us 951 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,520 on track. I I'm good with that. I think 952 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,400 it's appropriate uh to move forward. 953 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:25,680 » Okay. All right. Any other comments from 954 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,480 council? No. Okay. Staff has direction. 955 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,319 Thank you. 956 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,839 » Thank you. 957 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:32,839 » All right. Tonight 958 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,599 is public hearing consideration of 959 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:40,480 proposed Bayland specific plan and 960 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:42,880 related actions including amendments to 961 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:45,280 the Brisbane general plan land use and 962 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:49,440 circulation elements. Amendments to 963 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,079 title seven t sorry title section 17 of 964 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:54,480 the Brisbane municipal code to establish 965 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:57,359 zoning regulations adoption of the 966 00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,559 beayhore mobility plan and certification 967 00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:02,640 of the final environmental impact report 968 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:05,280 prepared for this project in accordance 969 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:08,720 with the California environmental 970 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:12,000 quality act. The last public hearing was 971 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:15,520 on October 6th and the hearing topic was 972 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:19,200 transportation and transit and also the 973 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,839 beayshore mobility plan. We went through 974 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,839 transportation and transit. Uh we 975 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,920 adjourned the meeting although we had 976 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:28,880 some council members still had questions 977 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,559 for staff on the topic of beayshore 978 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:35,119 mobility plan. Um, we already took some 979 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:37,680 comments from the public that night, but 980 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:40,240 if you did not get an opportunity to 981 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,280 speak on that topic. If you ended up 982 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,960 having to leave early, please fill out a 983 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:49,359 speaker form. I I do have some here. Um, 984 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,000 and this is only for questions or 985 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:54,559 comments on Beayshore mobility plan. So, 986 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,160 staff, do you want to do a recap of last 987 00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:59,160 week's topic? Up to you. 988 00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:05,520 Uh no, per the prior meeting uh we had 989 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,359 assumed that the public hearing would 990 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,200 just continue where it left off. So we 991 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:11,040 were not planning to do a recap. 992 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,040 » All right. Thank you. So we'll start 993 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,800 with council questions to close out the 994 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,800 mobility segment. Again, as last time, 995 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,680 I'll call on each council member, ask 996 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,440 you to limit it to one question. After 997 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,040 each of you's had a turn, I'll go back 998 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:29,520 through the order for another round of 999 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:34,839 questions. Please limit to one question 1000 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,839 starting with uh Mayor Prom Davis. 1001 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,880 » Actually don't have any questions about 1002 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,480 the Beayshore mobility plan, but I 1003 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,040 really appreciated the planning 1004 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,280 commission's suggestions as it pertains 1005 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,000 to the plan and specifically the 1006 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,040 exclusion of the road diet. So I hope 1007 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,640 that we can discuss more about that at 1008 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,520 the appropriate time. 1009 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,559 » All right, Council Member Okonnell. I 1010 00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,240 have no questions on this and I do agree 1011 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,960 that we should not be narrowing that 1012 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,160 roadway. 1013 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,839 » All right, Council Member Lent. 1014 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,400 » Yes, I have a couple questions, Madame 1015 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:07,280 Mayor. So, 1016 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,720 » One at a time, please. 1017 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,480 » Yes, I know, I know, I know, I 1018 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:16,079 understand. Um, okay. So, the uh BMP 1019 00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:20,160 establishes five goals. Um, 1020 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:22,800 but I I my question for you is 1021 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,800 what is it trying to mitigate, 1022 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,880 right? And I mean, you know, we had the 1023 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,400 planning commission hearings and 1024 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,480 everyone's kind of confused why you 1025 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,880 would narrow it. 1026 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:36,319 Folks at the at our hearings are 1027 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:38,400 confused. Council is kind of confused by 1028 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:41,200 that. So, I'm just curious like what 1029 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,440 what is what's it trying to mitigate by 1030 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,200 shrinking the road? 1031 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:47,280 » Happy to answer that question. Mini, 1032 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,400 public works director. Um, it was really 1033 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,319 about focusing on um speed reduction in 1034 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,839 order to reduce speeds. it was the road 1035 00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:55,920 diet is one of the one of the things 1036 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:58,240 that are that are utilized towards that. 1037 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,680 So that that was the primary whether it 1038 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,200 was right or wrong is not what I'm 1039 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,800 speaking to but that was the primary 1040 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,240 factor for behind that road diet 1041 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,240 inclusion. 1042 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,240 » Okay. 1043 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960 » Yeah. I mean I have a follow-up question 1044 00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,920 but I I'll wait for other council 1045 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,040 members. 1046 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,640 » Okay. Council member Kern. 1047 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,640 » Thank you for that. Ma, I'm not going to 1048 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,160 make you walk all the way back up here. 1049 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:24,079 Uh based upon your comment, could we not 1050 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,760 achieve the same thing by just simply 1051 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:29,720 lowering the speed limit on Beayshore 1052 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,720 from 45 to 35? 1053 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,880 » Yeah. And um we have I think some 1054 00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:39,680 concerns with enforcability about that. 1055 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,760 But before we we fully unpack that, I'd 1056 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:44,400 also invite um Matt Goin from Fear and 1057 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:49,040 Pur who's with us online who can talk a 1058 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:51,200 little bit um both about the 1059 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,000 general plan goals that the BMP is 1060 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:57,119 intended to address as well as the you 1061 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,720 know alternative measures to that may be 1062 00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:01,520 available to accomplish those goals if 1063 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,960 if council doesn't want to uh proceed 1064 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,960 with all of the recommendations in the 1065 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,960 BMP. 1066 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:15,520 Great. Thank you. Uh hello council. Um 1067 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:18,160 yeah, so some other besides speed 1068 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:22,000 reduction, there's also the explicit 1069 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:25,760 goal within the general plan to reduce 1070 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:29,440 the role of beayshore as a regional 1071 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,400 through route. And this comes from, you 1072 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,119 know, the general plan update that was 1073 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:38,960 made um following the last bay lands 1074 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:41,680 environmental study that identified that 1075 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,520 between 60 and 80% of trips that are 1076 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:47,839 currently on beayshore are regional 1077 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:50,000 trips and that with the buildout of the 1078 00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:52,319 city's circulation network, including 1079 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,720 the Geneva Avenue extension and the Sear 1080 00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:57,280 Point Parkway extension, there would be 1081 00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:00,079 an opportunity to 1082 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,920 shift some of those regional trips by 1083 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:06,000 making the route less desirable for 1084 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:09,200 regional travel. Um, and so that was one 1085 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,280 of the components. The road diet was the 1086 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:16,680 only one that was shown to be effective 1087 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,680 at doing accomplishing that goal. 1088 00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:25,760 Thank you. I do have follow-up 1089 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,319 questions, too, but 1090 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,319 » Okay. 1091 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:33,800 Um, 1092 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,800 last meeting 1093 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,079 the development managers, you spoke 1094 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,319 about several existing streets from Viz 1095 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:47,040 Valley connecting into the Baylands 1096 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:50,640 across Beayshore and the possibility we 1097 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,640 heard that Geneva Avenue extension had 1098 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,599 no present funding might not be built 1099 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,280 before construction of housing. 1100 00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,359 And we also have heard about the road 1101 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,400 diet on beayhore going from four lanes 1102 00:55:59,359 --> 00:56:03,040 down to two. And we heard about a large 1103 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,359 development at [clears throat] 1104 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,680 Candlestick Point now moving forward on 1105 00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:09,440 the other side of the highway. 1106 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,760 I'm having a really hard time 1107 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:15,440 envisioning how you're going to move 1108 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:18,000 transit, let alone cars and trucks, 1109 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:23,359 especially we have the new intelligent 1110 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:25,839 transportation system um on 101 that is 1111 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:28,000 designed, I'm told, to divert cars onto 1112 00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:29,920 surface streets to relieve congestion on 1113 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,520 the highway. 1114 00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,839 And I've wondered if you've really 1115 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,640 thought all this through because it just 1116 00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:39,200 seems mindboggling. 1117 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,000 And I wondered couple things. Have you 1118 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,240 met with county officials about the 1119 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,880 smart corridor project talk about 1120 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:51,359 consequences of offloading southbound 1121 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,760 traffic on to or from 101 to tunnel 1122 00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:55,280 andor bayshore? 1123 00:56:53,760 --> 00:57:01,599 Um 1124 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:04,559 and I think um ma is ma here or online. 1125 00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:06,640 » Ah there you are. Okay. 1126 00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:09,760 And I believe you had some information 1127 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:12,880 you could share with us about the smart 1128 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,599 quarter project. 1129 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:19,280 » Sure. Happy to happy to um touch on that 1130 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:21,599 one. So uh as you know we're um the the 1131 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,799 cag and the county is working on a smart 1132 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:27,440 corridor uh program to help uh con uh 1133 00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:31,440 for for incidents with respect to 101. 1134 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:33,200 Um we will be having a u uhou a 1135 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:35,119 memorandum of understanding on the 1136 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,599 maintenance responsibilities subject to 1137 00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:40,640 that. U my review of those documents 1138 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:43,280 have not um uh perh shown anything that 1139 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,920 prohibits the city's ability to manage 1140 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,880 the transportation system uh beyond what 1141 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,319 is already uh required as far as law um 1142 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,000 and and process. 1143 00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:54,960 » What does that mean? So that means that 1144 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,680 the smart corridor system doesn't change 1145 00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:01,920 um anything as far as our ability to 1146 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:04,240 make modifications to that roadway. 1147 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,680 » But I'm talking about in terms of if 1148 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:10,160 they want to offload cars from 101, do 1149 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:14,480 we have the ability to challenge that 1150 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:17,440 and say no, can't do it? uh under under 1151 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:19,920 the uh under the uh forthcoming 1152 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,720 agreements that have have have yet to be 1153 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,040 finalized. Um it would be um we wouldn't 1154 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,119 we would be agreeing to allowing that to 1155 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,240 happen during major incidents. 1156 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:31,839 » Okay. All right. Thank you. Council 1157 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:36,079 member Lent questions. 1158 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:40,319 » Yeah. Um so one of the the the five 1159 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:43,040 goals uh and it was mentioned um by the 1160 00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,160 consultant is to reduce Bashore's role 1161 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:49,359 as a regional cutth through route. 1162 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,240 And so 1163 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:54,240 if the Geneva Avenue extension is not 1164 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,520 built 1165 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,440 prior or during that first phase of 1166 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:03,359 development, I know that it says that it 1167 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:05,599 it supposed to be, but 1168 00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:07,599 you know, it takes it's going to take a 1169 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:14,400 lot of stakeholders, regional 1170 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:18,799 stakeholders to to um to fund it. So, 1171 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:22,559 does did the EIR evaluate 1172 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,880 the housing of the Brisbane Baylands, 1173 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:28,079 which could be 2,200, 1174 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:31,280 and the approximately 1,700 homes that 1175 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:36,319 would be built in in um San Francisco 1176 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:40,160 Baylands, and where those cars would go 1177 00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:44,079 if uh they needed to get to the 101. I 1178 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:46,319 mean, I I know that we evaluate, you 1179 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:49,280 know, with the Geneva Avenue extension, 1180 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:52,680 but do we have any information if it 1181 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,680 doesn't get built? 1182 00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,920 » Thank you, council member. Uh, 1183 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,880 so 1184 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,880 there is no specific timing that's 1185 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,920 required, you know, to build the 1186 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,839 Beayshore mobility plan. um because it 1187 01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:14,799 is a would be a separate city 1188 01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:17,280 initiative. Now there are what the 1189 01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:20,960 planning commission identified and 1190 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:24,000 requested was that there are uh the 1191 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:27,520 aspects that specifically mitigate 1192 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,680 impacts associated with bay lands 1193 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,880 um are separate or could be separated 1194 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:36,400 from the overall corridor plan. And so 1195 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,880 that is available and so council can 1196 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,880 adopt those mitigations. 1197 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:45,359 Um and that would improve safety 1198 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:47,200 particularly on the section of uh Bay 1199 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:49,680 Shore near the Bayance project to 1200 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,920 improve crossings for example for for 1201 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,680 kids crossing at Main Street by 1202 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,319 narrowing the crossings slowing speeds 1203 01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:00,079 on that section. Um, and so 1204 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:02,559 certainly the city could decide if 1205 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,839 Geneva Avenue Extension isn't built, you 1206 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:09,760 wouldn't road diet Beayshore. There's 1207 01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:13,440 nothing requiring you to do that. Um, 1208 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,119 and also the Beayshore mobility plan has 1209 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,200 many different components that can be 1210 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,119 adopted. It can have the safety 1211 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,520 components. It can have the the 1212 01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,280 sidewalk, the class one pathway. The 1213 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,119 road dice is just one component of that. 1214 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,799 So the city could adopt the beayhore 1215 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:28,000 mobility plan without the road diet as 1216 01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:28,880 was recommended by the planning 1217 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,160 commission. 1218 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,520 » Madame mayor, I don't think my question 1219 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:35,359 was answered um appropriately and so I I 1220 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,559 maybe I if it's okay with you if I can 1221 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:38,400 re ask the question. 1222 01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:40,960 » Okay. So stated 1223 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,319 » Um under the current conditions of 1224 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,799 Beayshore, if the Geneva Avenue 1225 01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:49,920 extension is not built, 1226 01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:52,880 have you identified the mitigation 1227 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:56,400 efforts or what those impacts would be 1228 01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:00,319 in the EIR [laughter] with full out or 1229 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:04,319 at least 2,000 units of Brisbane uh 1230 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:08,079 bayands housing and approximately 1,700 1231 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:13,400 San Francisco Bayand housing units on 1232 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:13,400 current beayshore going to the 101. 1233 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,839 » I'd like maybe the city attorney could 1234 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:20,960 just quickly start, you know, about what 1235 01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:24,520 what requirements there are for Geneva 1236 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,520 Avenue being built. 1237 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:33,119 » Sure. Um so the 1238 01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:36,480 the bulk of the my my understanding is 1239 01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:39,520 that the bulk of the transportation 1240 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,559 um demand that's generated from the 1241 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:45,440 development um alone doesn't trigger the 1242 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:50,319 need for the Geneva Avenue extension. 1243 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:53,839 However, as we get past um 50% of the 1244 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:56,880 development in phase 1, uh there is the 1245 01:02:53,839 --> 01:03:00,240 need for additional fire facilities and 1246 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:02,880 the fire station would be located on the 1247 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:06,240 east side of the railroad tracks. So to 1248 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:08,880 have an adequate response time, um the 1249 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,920 Geneva Avenue bridge is is necessary for 1250 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:15,599 fire trucks to get across. Um so that is 1251 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:18,799 the timing trigger that the EIR um 1252 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:23,039 identifies as when we would see Geneva 1253 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:26,559 Avenue Bridge um concurrent with or 1254 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:28,640 developed uh once we have at least 50% 1255 01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:32,839 of the 1256 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,839 phase one program developed. 1257 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:39,280 » Okay. I'm sorry, Madame Mayor. I mean 1258 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:42,799 I'll let others ask questions. I mean, 1259 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,480 every response sol, you know, makes 1260 01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,880 another question that I'd like to ask. 1261 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,400 So, 1262 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:50,960 » All right, Council Member Kern, 1263 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,559 » Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, Matt, 1264 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,079 you're doing a great job. Uh, so I'm 1265 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:56,480 going to come back at back at you with 1266 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:58,240 one more here. So, I've got the mobility 1267 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,240 plan open here on my laptop, and I've 1268 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,599 been through this. It's about a 75page 1269 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,920 document. It's pretty interesting stuff. 1270 01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,359 I like to actually think about this. You 1271 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,480 just said a few minutes ago, and this is 1272 01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:08,000 what the planning commission brought 1273 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,280 forward as well, that we could approve 1274 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:14,240 the mobility plan without the road diet. 1275 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:17,359 And when we say that's a possibility, 1276 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:20,640 are we still getting bike lanes, 1277 01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:23,200 sidewalk, protected turning lanes, bus 1278 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,720 lanes? The reason I'm asking this 1279 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,119 question, Matt, is because I'm looking 1280 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,400 at the road width. I don't know. In my 1281 01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:30,240 mind, I'm trying to make sense out of 1282 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,480 these diagrams to say we're going to 1283 01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:34,640 keep two lanes in each direction and 1284 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,079 then add all of those additional lanes 1285 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,440 and features. I just I'm not 1286 01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,400 understanding how this fits. Can you 1287 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,760 just shine a little bit of light on 1288 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,119 that, please? 1289 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:46,640 » Yeah, sure. Thank you, council member. 1290 01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:49,440 Great question. Uh, essentially, this is 1291 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:51,760 one alternative for the diagrams that 1292 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,359 are shown there is is one alternative of 1293 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:57,119 the package of components that are 1294 01:04:53,359 --> 01:04:58,720 included. So, uh, the geometry is 1295 01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:00,720 somewhat limited as you go through the 1296 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:04,160 corridor. It is quite wide in other 1297 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:07,760 places. And so, things like, can you fit 1298 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:10,480 a sidewalk along the entire corridor? 1299 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:14,240 Yes. Um, can you fit an entire class one 1300 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:16,640 pathway with like a great buffer? 1301 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,400 Not necessarily. Like that would require 1302 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,920 additional like engineering studies and 1303 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,680 decisions by the city of like what to do 1304 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,079 with like turnpockets and the median and 1305 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,799 all all those kind of things. Now, all 1306 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,160 of the key safety components, pretty 1307 01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:31,119 much every other measure on there, such 1308 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:34,880 as improved safety and narrowing 1309 01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:36,480 uh roadway lanes, uh uh and crossing 1310 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,240 distances for pedestrians and creating 1311 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,160 bulls protected. Those are all 1312 01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,400 components that you can build as a 1313 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:47,400 package um at each one of the 1314 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:47,400 intersections. Um and so 1315 01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:52,160 essentially what you would be 1316 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:54,160 authorizing would be the pack the 1317 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:58,000 package of compon components without a 1318 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:59,760 road diet. Um that both addresses the 1319 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,000 mitigations the specific mitigations 1320 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,280 that are listed out to improve crossings 1321 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,680 at Main Street at Geneva for example. 1322 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:10,079 Um, and then the city would need to come 1323 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,720 up with another kind of complete 1324 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:16,839 alternative for for the entire core for 1325 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,839 the rest of the corridor as well. 1326 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,400 » You look like you have you're on the tip 1327 01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:23,440 of another question. 1328 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,839 » We all are. 1329 01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:24,799 » Okay. 1330 01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:27,760 » We all are. 1331 01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:30,000 » We'll come back to you. Um, Matt, I have 1332 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:33,760 a question for you. You talk about 1333 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,920 lowering speed limits and I do recall in 1334 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,760 past California law and excuse me if 1335 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,839 it's changed in order to lower speed 1336 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,440 limits because everyone in Brisbane says 1337 01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:44,160 why can't you lower the speed limit on 1338 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,240 beayshore everybody's going 65 and 70 1339 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,240 and there were laws that you had to do 1340 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,799 speed counters and consultants and 1341 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,039 studies and what the prevailing speed 1342 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:54,799 was was going to be the speed which 1343 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:57,359 always had the hazard if everyone was 1344 01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:59,680 going 65 and 70 we might have to raise 1345 01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:01,920 the speed limit on beayshore 1346 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,960 Is it in fact, and I know there's some 1347 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:09,359 caveat that if you're in a business 1348 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:13,760 district with parking and sidewalks and 1349 01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:16,319 a retail component that you can actually 1350 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:20,319 potentially lower speed limits. Is that 1351 01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:22,559 true? Is my assumption correct? 1352 01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:24,960 » Yes. And for high injury network 1353 01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:28,880 locations as well, safety base 1354 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:31,359 reductions. So, uh, Beayshore in the 1355 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:34,079 city's local road safety plan, Beayshore 1356 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:38,240 is the primary kind of high injury 1357 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:41,280 network within the city. It's where 1358 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:43,520 the most collisions occur. And given 1359 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,680 that speeds are directly correlated to 1360 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:49,039 the severity of those collisions, it's 1361 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:52,720 really the primary um, safety issue. And 1362 01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:54,400 so the city does have legal ability to 1363 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,880 reduce speed limits, but it needs to be 1364 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,359 paired with engineering measures that 1365 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,760 are shown to reduce actually reduce 1366 01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:04,400 speeds and not just reduce speed limits 1367 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,599 without, you know, making the changing 1368 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,680 the roadway design. 1369 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:12,720 » And you're talking just the 1370 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:14,319 mobility area, not all of Beayshore into 1371 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,480 Brisbane. 1372 01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:18,560 » All all of Beayshore within Brisbane is 1373 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:20,400 on the city's high injury network. as 1374 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:20,960 identified through the local road safety 1375 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,480 plan. 1376 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:25,440 » But we're talking about beayhore 1377 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:28,239 mobility plans. So 1378 01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:29,920 I guess it begs the question, are we 1379 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:32,880 talking about lowering speed limits just 1380 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:36,520 in that area or the entire stretch all 1381 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,520 the way into Brisbane? 1382 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:43,279 » City could take either either action. Um 1383 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:45,440 the specific mitigations that are 1384 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:47,359 associated with the bayan specific plan 1385 01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:49,679 are those that are focused where people 1386 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:51,440 it will generate people walking, biking, 1387 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:52,960 taking transit which are right around on 1388 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:57,120 the project frontage. 1389 01:08:52,960 --> 01:09:00,120 » Okay. Thank you, Council Member Lent. 1390 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,120 » Um 1391 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:06,159 Eric, let me just see if I understand 1392 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:10,960 what um that last comment that you made 1393 01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:12,960 u in regards to the 49%. So 1394 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:16,000 does that mean that the Brisbane 1395 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:19,920 Baylands could build a thousand housing 1396 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:22,400 units and say 1.7 million million square 1397 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:25,040 ft of commercial and that the San 1398 01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:29,279 Francisco side could build their close 1399 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:31,359 to 1,700 units without ever 1400 01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:33,279 building any part of the Geneva Avenue 1401 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,600 extension. 1402 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:37,440 Yeah, I'll find the exact trigger in the 1403 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,759 EIR for you, but that's that's correct 1404 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,960 that in the structure of that is 1405 01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:45,759 generally correct that um the timing 1406 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:47,759 trigger is not until um we've seen 50% 1407 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:50,799 of the the program because that's what 1408 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:54,839 triggers the need for the um emergency 1409 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:54,839 access and the fire station. 1410 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,120 » Okay, I understand the fire issue. 1411 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,679 That's just a lot of traffic for 1412 01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,520 Brisbane. 1413 01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:06,960 Okay. Um, 1414 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:09,760 » Council Member Kern, 1415 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,880 » Matt, one last question tonight. Um, 1416 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,280 well, actually, I'm not going to commit 1417 01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:17,120 to that. Um, 1418 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:19,760 so if we approve the current appendix F, 1419 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:22,000 the Beayshore Mobility Plan without the 1420 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,000 road diet, we're essentially approving 1421 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,679 something called the Beayshore Mobility 1422 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,239 Concept because we're going to have to 1423 01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:29,600 do another plan. Is that a true 1424 01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:32,880 statement? 1425 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,040 » Yeah. any for for any action that you 1426 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,600 would take today, you know, there are 1427 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,120 really just concepts, this is at the 1428 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,440 conceptual level and so the city would 1429 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,920 need to go and you know solicit 1430 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:46,640 engineering designs and and take it 1431 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:49,120 through the rest of the the process. So 1432 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:51,520 yes, you are correct. Anything you're 1433 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,920 saying now would require kind of further 1434 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:56,480 action by the city to evaluate kind of 1435 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,320 what the best uh you know design 1436 01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,440 features throughout the corridor would 1437 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,120 be. 1438 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:03,600 Thank you. 1439 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,800 » Council member Lince, 1440 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,159 » You have a question. 1441 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,840 » I do have one question now. 1442 01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:10,320 » Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead. 1443 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:13,920 » And all these mitigation member measures 1444 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:16,000 and and constructing the streetcape 1445 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:20,840 falls to the responsibility of the 1446 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,840 developer to pay for 1447 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,800 » Those that are are directly tied to 1448 01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,640 their mitigation measures that they are 1449 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,800 responsible for. They are also 1450 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,920 responsible for their kind of fair share 1451 01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:35,360 contributions to um the city's 1452 01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:38,000 transportation improvement uh impact fee 1453 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,520 program as well that you know would do 1454 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:42,320 broader improvements as well 1455 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,239 » And and and that and as I shouldn't 1456 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,960 follow up but that would be triggered 1457 01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:50,080 when a building permit is taken out that 1458 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:52,480 those contributions be made. 1459 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:55,679 » The impact fees are yes are collected at 1460 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:58,080 at building permit stage and 1461 01:11:55,679 --> 01:12:00,560 There are some exceptions that allow for 1462 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:05,679 allow for deferral for certificate of 1463 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:08,000 occupancy um for residential projects 1464 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:09,440 but yeah somewhere between building 1465 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,679 permit especially for commercial 1466 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:14,960 projects and before certificates of 1467 01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:16,000 occupancy are issued. 1468 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,679 » Council member Lance. 1469 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:20,560 » Yeah, just last question Madame Mayor. 1470 01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:22,719 So, um, in an effort to reduce traffic 1471 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:25,440 on on Beayshore, um, at the last 1472 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:27,360 hearing, I asked, uh, the developer to 1473 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:29,920 provide some renderings, if they had 1474 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,880 them, of the Geneva Avenue extension 1475 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:36,280 going to the 101. Were you able to find 1476 01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,280 that, Stephanie? 1477 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:41,360 » You You were? 1478 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,840 » She said yes. They were sent to the city 1479 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,625 staff. 1480 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:47,645 » Okay. Do we have those renderings? 1481 01:12:45,625 --> 01:12:47,645 » [snorts] 1482 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:52,199 » And thank you for doing that, by the 1483 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:52,199 way. 1484 01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:07,600 Yes. I mean, we she uh we did get an 1485 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:11,840 email from Stephanie with those with the 1486 01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:13,360 renderings. It went to um 1487 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,440 public works community development 1488 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:17,280 director and myself. 1489 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:19,440 Okay. I guess we we can come back. Can 1490 01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:24,120 you get those and show them tonight or 1491 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:24,120 is that not a possibility? 1492 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,840 » Sure. We couldn't show them tonight. 1493 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,840 » Thank you. 1494 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:33,360 Eric, are you forwarding that to Angel? 1495 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:35,840 » Um, sure. I mean, it it's too large to 1496 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:37,520 email. Um, give us a second here. We'll 1497 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,520 figure out how to get it up on the 1498 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,679 screen for you, I suppose. 1499 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,760 » Uh, yes, if you could continue the 1500 01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:45,120 discussion and and uh it will take us a 1501 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,440 little bit of time just to get it queued 1502 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:50,239 up, but um we do have the files so we 1503 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:52,239 can get that so they can be on shown on 1504 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:53,920 the screen. 1505 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,280 » Council member Lent, while they're 1506 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,600 looking for that, did you have another 1507 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,440 question? 1508 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:59,040 » I did not. That was the last one. 1509 01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:00,159 » Okay. Council member Kern, 1510 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,000 » No further questions. 1511 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:04,400 » Okay. And I have no further questions. 1512 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:06,960 So that's what we're what we could do is 1513 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:09,199 proceed. We do have some comment cards 1514 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:12,320 from the public and then we'll circle 1515 01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:15,120 back on the 1516 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:18,760 the graphics. So, the first one I have 1517 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,760 is Chris Evers. 1518 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:30,080 Hello, Chris Evers. 200 Kings Road. Um, 1519 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:32,560 the first thing I want to make clear is 1520 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:36,000 when I moved to my house, which has 85 1521 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:38,800 steps, in 1989, I was told that there 1522 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:41,040 were going to be condos on the bay lands 1523 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,480 in a few years. And I always thought, 1524 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,800 "Oh, that's great because when I'm old 1525 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:47,679 and I can't get up all those steps, I'll 1526 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,320 be able to live there." I continue to 1527 01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:54,000 get old and I encourage you to move 1528 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:58,159 forward um with whatever it takes to get 1529 01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:00,560 things done. That said, I am concerned 1530 01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:03,840 about the idea that in order to grade 1531 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:06,320 the site, we need to move 1532 01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,640 millions and millions of tons of dirt 1533 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:12,239 and we're doing going to do it by move 1534 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:16,480 using dump trucks which will basically 1535 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:18,880 clog the tunnel avenue bridge 1536 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:21,280 and 1537 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:23,520 basically isolate Brisbane during any 1538 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:26,960 time that that's happening. Now, I know 1539 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:29,760 that in the the 2025 EIR, 1540 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:32,560 there was I mean the the 2025 ER and the 1541 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,280 2026 ER point out that these trucks are 1542 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,840 a hazard in terms of air pollution, in 1543 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,239 terms of emergency services, in terms of 1544 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:43,520 pedestrian safety, but they say, well, 1545 01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:46,159 the mitigation is going to be in 2025, 1546 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:48,800 they say the mitigation will be this uh 1547 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:52,960 electric conveyor. And then when I look 1548 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:57,280 at the 2026 EIR, electric conveyor has 1549 01:16:52,960 --> 01:17:00,159 been removed and it says systems will 1550 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:04,080 make sure that there's not a problem. 1551 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:08,159 And that seems very vague and disquing 1552 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:12,400 to me. Also, the same ER that removes 1553 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:14,159 that in in many places says still says 1554 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,800 that there's a conveyor that's going to 1555 01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:18,880 mitigate things. So there seems to be a 1556 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,920 lot of contradictory information in this 1557 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:24,880 EIR about whether or not there will be a 1558 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:27,280 conveyor or trucks and if there is not a 1559 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,520 conveyor then the places in this EIR 1560 01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,440 that say the conveyor is the appropriate 1561 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,560 mitigation and therefore there's no 1562 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:36,320 effect just don't stand. So, I would 1563 01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,640 appreciate if there would be an 1564 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,600 explanation of this and also an 1565 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,520 explanation of the hall route since it 1566 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,360 seems to include Blanken, which is a 1567 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,640 road that does not allow trucks. 1568 01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,000 » Mhm. 1569 01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,560 » Thank you. 1570 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:53,960 » Okay, 1571 01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,960 » Linda Salmon. 1572 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:05,920 Well, I wasn't able to stay for the rest 1573 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,159 of the meeting last time, [laughter] 1574 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:11,600 so I'm not quite sure how we ended up or 1575 01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:14,719 what to say except that um I still had 1576 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,560 questions about the roadways within the 1577 01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:19,040 community that we're talking about 1578 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:22,080 building and I guess that's still part 1579 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,159 of transportation and I I don't know 1580 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,640 what happened what what the res 1581 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:32,239 resolution was if there was one in terms 1582 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:34,159 of um bicycles and pedestrians and 1583 01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:36,560 roadways and and what was going to be 1584 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:38,719 safe there. That was one issue. The 1585 01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,120 other one again is about Beayshore and 1586 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:42,640 the trucks 1587 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,560 that are going to be moving all this 1588 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,719 dirt back and forth. And I have a 1589 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,640 feeling that that's going to happen a 1590 01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:51,520 lot on Beayshore right in front of us in 1591 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:55,120 Brisbane rather than Tunnel Road which 1592 01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:58,640 is uh lumpy and bumpy and not you know 1593 01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:02,000 and then with all the petroleum trucks 1594 01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:04,640 on the road. I just I just I really 1595 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:08,320 can't see this happening in any way 1596 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:11,440 that's safe. That's my main comment at 1597 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:14,920 the moment. 1598 01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,920 » Michelle Sammon. 1599 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,000 Michelle Sam, Brisbane resident. Madame 1600 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,400 Mayor, I thought we were going to have 1601 01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:22,640 oil communication. So, but actually this 1602 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:25,600 kind of goes along with it. Um this 1603 01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:30,000 weekend the quarry will be active again 1604 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:33,040 with uh taking in dumploads of uh 1605 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,760 material to reconfigure and put back out 1606 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,600 on Highway 101. And the last time they 1607 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:40,320 did this, they did not cover any of the 1608 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:42,880 trucks that were coming in or out, which 1609 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,719 is required by law. And they didn't 1610 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,159 mitigate the dust. And there was I 1611 01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:48,480 brought it up to the police department, 1612 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:51,040 but they're like, "Oh." And in the 1613 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:53,040 interim, I've called Calrans and I've 1614 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:55,199 also called the county because although 1615 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:57,520 the quarry is not in Brisbane, it does 1616 01:19:55,199 --> 01:20:00,239 come through Brisbane, but the county is 1617 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:02,640 responsible for their permits. And it it 1618 01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:04,960 made me realize just how bad this can 1619 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,880 get and that there was no oversight and 1620 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,480 no one willing to stand up and say, "You 1621 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:10,239 have to cover these trucks or they 1622 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:11,360 cannot come in and out of Brisbane. You 1623 01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:13,040 will be cited." 1624 01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,440 » Michelle, is this about the mobility 1625 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:17,040 plan? 1626 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:19,760 » It is. Okay. Because imagine beayshore 1627 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:22,719 with all of these trucks and you talked 1628 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:25,440 about narrowing lanes right now. The 1629 01:20:22,719 --> 01:20:27,040 lanes are already so narrow that it's 1630 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:29,600 kind of a little scary if one of those 1631 01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:33,120 big trucks comes by you and practically 1632 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:36,400 pushes you off the road. And so and and 1633 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:38,800 having having cars trying to reduce 1634 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:40,640 trips by limiting the amount of lane 1635 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,480 space. Well, that's just going to make 1636 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:45,440 it impossible for Brisbane people to get 1637 01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:48,159 anywhere, too. And you're anticipating 1638 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:50,880 truck traffic for Amazon, for Crocker 1639 01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:54,560 Dustrial Park for potential development 1640 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:56,239 uh in the Corey and uh trucks and 1641 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:58,400 vehicles coming down off of Guadalupe 1642 01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:00,000 Canyon Parkway. 1643 01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,320 I don't see how this is going to work 1644 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:05,600 the way we're hoping it works and 1645 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:08,640 especially if they're going to do 640 1646 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:12,159 some odd roundtrip trucks a day for 1647 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:14,239 three years with dirt. Thank you. 1648 01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:16,000 » Okay. And can we have some enforcement 1649 01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:20,000 on the Corey trucks by the way which are 1650 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:24,120 going to happen this weekend. Thank you. 1651 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,120 » Uh Mary Rogers. 1652 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:33,120 » Good evening, council members. Um I just 1653 01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:35,120 want to make sure we don't lose sight of 1654 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,600 this project because we can't look at 1655 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:39,440 this in isolation. There's a lot of 1656 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:41,600 projects going on. The candlestick which 1657 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:43,760 you mentioned and you're aware of. um 1658 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:45,920 the Baylands and then of course the 1659 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:49,840 something will be happening with Corey 1660 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:53,760 which only makes matters worse. Um that 1661 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:57,120 points to the importance of having this 1662 01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:59,840 Geneva overpass that has to happen 1663 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:02,320 before anything else. It's going to 1664 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:04,960 reduce traffic. It's going to reduce um 1665 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:08,880 carbon emissions. Um it's going to 1666 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:11,199 reduce um traffic on beayshore. So, I 1667 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:13,199 really really 1668 01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:17,840 want you to really think about that that 1669 01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:21,679 Geneva overpass has to happen. Um, 1670 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:24,000 I mean, the mobility plan, sure, I that 1671 01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:26,480 you can approve without the road diet, 1672 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:29,280 but it's in concept only. I would use 1673 01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:32,960 that as leverage to get that Geneva 1674 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:35,520 overpass done first. That is just so 1675 01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:38,719 important to Bruce Bane. Um and then 1676 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:41,600 someone had mentioned safety risk that 1677 01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:44,000 um emergency vehicles won't be a if we 1678 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,239 don't have the Geneva overpass. It's g 1679 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,520 how are they going to get over to to 1680 01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:52,639 Brisbane, right? That's safety should be 1681 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:55,280 number one. Um 1682 01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:58,320 yeah, that's it. Just want to make sure 1683 01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,639 that we don't look at this project in 1684 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,400 isolation and make sure everybody is 1685 01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:07,040 thinking about all the other things that 1686 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:10,639 are going on. Thank you. Okay, 1687 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:14,280 staff. Do we have the graphic ready to 1688 01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:14,280 put on the screen? 1689 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:22,560 » If we could do a screen share through 1690 01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:26,880 Zoom. Um, I do have them on my laptop, 1691 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:29,360 but these images are so large that 1692 01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:34,400 I got an email from Angel saying we've 1693 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:36,320 got it. There we go. Thank you, Angel. 1694 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,480 So, Council Member Lent, do you have 1695 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:43,440 questions regarding this? 1696 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:47,280 » I just, you know, I wanted to see how um 1697 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:49,520 how it would be um constructed and and 1698 01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,320 what would be the flow of traffic 1699 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:55,360 getting to the 101. This this image is 1700 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:57,920 pretty tough to to figure out. It looks 1701 01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:02,400 like it's just like an overlay, but I 1702 01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:05,679 don't see any clover leaves. Um, 1703 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:07,280 there are some there are some exits if 1704 01:24:05,679 --> 01:24:09,760 you 1705 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:11,199 say south is to the right coming off of 1706 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:15,360 101 1707 01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:18,480 » Onto the overpass or under it. 1708 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:21,120 And there are some exits looks like also 1709 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:23,440 from that overpass going onto the 1710 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:25,440 highway on the lower part. You can see. 1711 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:30,239 Yeah, there you go. Okay, 1712 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:32,719 » That's all I see absent a a clover leaf. 1713 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:35,760 » Yeah. 1714 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:38,560 » Yeah. And then how how uh cars would get 1715 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:41,840 off of the Geneva Avenue extension to 1716 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:44,639 other parts of the the east side of the 1717 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,280 bay lands. 1718 01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:46,880 » Don't know. 1719 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,560 » Don't know [clears throat] how that 1720 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:52,639 » Occurs. I mean, you need to have 1721 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:54,880 east-west uh connectivity. Um you, 1722 01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:57,360 Madame Mayor, um Council Member Kern and 1723 01:24:54,880 --> 01:25:00,400 I had um a discussion with uh 1724 01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:02,560 Congressman Member Mullen this afternoon 1725 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,480 and we talked about this. So Frank, you 1726 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,560 want to sorry to put you on the spot, 1727 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,880 but you want to just give a a brief 1728 01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:12,639 update on on what we talked about and 1729 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:14,560 how he's uh his willingness to to help. 1730 01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:17,840 » It's going to be remarkably brief. Uh 1731 01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:20,480 the meeting was remarkably brief. Um we 1732 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:23,520 did talk with uh Congressman uh Mullen 1733 01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:28,000 this afternoon and you know he was uh a 1734 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:30,239 fan of of bringing um all the uh the 1735 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,159 parties together to have a discussion 1736 01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:35,280 about what this might look like going 1737 01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:37,120 forward. Um and so we're hoping that he 1738 01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:40,000 and his team can facilitate something 1739 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,760 like that um in the future. He in no 1740 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,600 means made any commitments to his but he 1741 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,639 thinks the discussion is absolutely in 1742 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,760 order. So 1743 01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:49,760 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that he was 1744 01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:51,679 willing to um to coordinate that and and 1745 01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:54,320 bring the stakeholders, different 1746 01:25:51,679 --> 01:25:58,960 transit agencies, San Francisco uh to 1747 01:25:54,320 --> 01:26:02,159 talk about how we could partner together 1748 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,800 potentially. So it was um yeah, it was 1749 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:04,080 positive. 1750 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,480 » It was a positive meeting. 1751 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,159 » Yeah. 1752 01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:09,319 » So I'm going to add one thing to the 1753 01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:10,239 pile on that on that topic. Um 1754 01:26:09,319 --> 01:26:13,840 [clears throat] 1755 01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:17,600 MTC, local agency, 1756 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:20,639 Metropolitan Transportation Commission, 1757 01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:23,120 every five years asks for a list of 1758 01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:24,880 projects from CKG, City and County 1759 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,639 Association of Governments. I sit on 1760 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:30,159 that board and we had a board meeting 1761 01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:32,480 last Thursday and as would happen the on 1762 01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:35,840 the agenda was 1763 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:39,120 um CCAG circling back they've spent a 1764 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:42,880 year collecting lists of projects that 1765 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:45,679 MTC could should consider 1766 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:48,000 and the consideration what MTC does is 1767 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:50,480 they look at big developments and 1768 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,960 projects for transportation and they say 1769 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:55,280 oh yeah this is important or this is 1770 01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:58,400 minor or this is too far off in the 1771 01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,159 future. And so CKAG said, "We're, you 1772 01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:03,440 know, we're taking a road show on to 1773 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:06,159 different city councils and contacting 1774 01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:09,120 city managers, community development 1775 01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:10,880 directors, public works directors." And 1776 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,719 so I raised my hand and said, "Have you 1777 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,679 heard from Brisbane about the Geneva 1778 01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:18,800 Avenue extension or an interchange at 1779 01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:22,000 Highway 101 candlestick development? 1780 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:23,600 This affects Daily City, Brisbane, and 1781 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,000 City and County of San Francisco." and 1782 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:27,000 they said no, 1783 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:32,560 the end of this year is the cut off on 1784 01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:35,199 the five-year period and that list has 1785 01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:38,320 to get submitted. So I just so you all 1786 01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:41,600 know I have talked to our staff about 1787 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:44,719 it. I've talked to council member in 1788 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:47,679 daily city um somewhere we need to have 1789 01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:49,760 a meeting to get on that list because if 1790 01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:51,440 this doesn't make it it's five more 1791 01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,080 years and if we're concerned about a 1792 01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:56,480 Geneva Avenue extension it needs to get 1793 01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:59,600 on that list to MTC because they 1794 01:27:56,480 --> 01:28:02,400 coordinate all the funding that will 1795 01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:04,239 come down federal state what have you 1796 01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,320 and they'll develop the priority list 1797 01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:07,920 and they'll talk to Calra and they'll 1798 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:10,159 facilitate the meeting between the 1799 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,360 counties as Well, so it's just an 1800 01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:12,719 update. 1801 01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,760 » Madame Mayor, can I ask one question 1802 01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:14,639 about the slide? 1803 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,560 » Sure. 1804 01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:18,080 » Uh the slide that's up on the screen now 1805 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:21,040 for people at home, people in the 1806 01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:23,040 audience, and people with bad vision. Um 1807 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:26,320 I don't see any dates on this, but the 1808 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:28,880 file name is uh looks like January 29th 1809 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:32,199 of 2008. Does anyone have a an actual 1810 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,199 date on this? 1811 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:43,320 » You have a date? 1812 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,320 Where's I don't see it. 1813 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,159 » Yeah, these were conceptual designs. 1814 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,800 You're looking at alternative two, the 1815 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:54,400 overcrossing, and those were uh created 1816 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,199 in 2008. 1817 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,360 » Okay. Thank you. 1818 01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:58,719 » January 29th, 2008. 1819 01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:01,120 » Okay. Thank you. 1820 01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:03,600 » Okay. So, I have two more slips on 1821 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,920 mobility plan and then we're cutting off 1822 01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:09,199 the public comment there. This one is 1823 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,199 Paul Buscal. 1824 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:18,960 Thank you, Paul Scale, Brisbane 1825 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:21,679 resident. Um, well, I had something that 1826 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,760 I was going to uh a question because I 1827 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:25,520 no longer am going to make comments 1828 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,960 because I I don't get a response. So, 1829 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,760 now I'm going to ask questions. So, at 1830 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:32,639 least I can get an answer. But I was 1831 01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:36,080 curious, Cliff, when you said that uh 1832 01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:38,480 you and Council Member Kern had met with 1833 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,679 uh Congressman Mullen 1834 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:44,320 and are interested in 1835 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:46,719 meeting with other jurisdictions, San 1836 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,480 Francisco in particular. 1837 01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:50,400 Now, 1838 01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:52,960 with the exception of council member 1839 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:56,560 Kerna, I believe every one of you 1840 01:29:52,960 --> 01:30:01,040 council members was present when you 1841 01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:03,280 council member Clip Lince uh said when I 1842 01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:06,639 said we should be talking to San 1843 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:09,280 Francisco regarding Sledge, not even 1844 01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:12,000 knowing about Candlestick, 1845 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,480 my comments in particular about water, 1846 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,360 high-pressure fire water from San 1847 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:18,880 Francisco to come into the multimold 1848 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:22,000 complex that we were talking about 1849 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:25,920 building and the Geneva extension 1850 01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:29,199 and your comment was do you remember 1851 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,320 we're not interested in talking to 1852 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,280 » Do you remember I 1853 01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,960 » I didn't say that 1854 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,679 » Yes you did 1855 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:34,320 » Uh no 1856 01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:35,120 » Okay 1857 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,880 » I I 1858 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,360 » You you did and I'm not going to hash 1859 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,440 through it and I believe the four of you 1860 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,199 were there when it was said I'm not 1861 01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:45,040 going to get into it 1862 01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:47,600 » Paul then let's not get into it 1863 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,320 » No okay But why is it taken why has it 1864 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:53,440 taken five years for us to be interested 1865 01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:55,440 in dealing with San Francisco in any of 1866 01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:58,960 these issues we're talking about? So, 1867 01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:01,360 let me use my last two minutes to talk 1868 01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,199 about the mobility plan, which it all 1869 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:06,880 had to do with the mobility plan back 1870 01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:08,639 before it was called a mobility plan. 1871 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,880 All right, 1872 01:31:08,639 --> 01:31:13,280 look what's happened on Geneva Avenue 1873 01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:16,560 with the traffic cameras and the traffic 1874 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:18,719 calming that it's created. 1875 01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:21,520 Geneva Avenue used to be a freeway of 1876 01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:24,239 cars going up and down Geneva Avenue. 1877 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:27,920 Now it's a passive pathway where people 1878 01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:30,880 are driving the speed limit 30 mph, 35 m 1879 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:33,920 an hour. We can't enforce the traffic. 1880 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:37,600 We I couldn't see a bike lane out on 1881 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:39,120 beayshore between Guadalupe and Valley. 1882 01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,760 How are we going to support both sides 1883 01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:43,040 of Beayshore to support a bike lane? So, 1884 01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,679 it's going to have to be a shared bike 1885 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:48,000 lane with no sidewalk. So, we could 1886 01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:52,719 build a sidewalk up to Guadalupe from 1887 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:54,800 Geneva and and have a a dedicated bike 1888 01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:56,880 lane like they do in Alamita, which is 1889 01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,560 on one side of the road. It would have 1890 01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:02,000 to be on the west side of Bayshore to be 1891 01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:03,440 able to put a sidewalk and a bike lane, 1892 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:06,800 but then it's going to have to go from a 1893 01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:10,080 dedicated bike lane to share the roadway 1894 01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:12,560 between Guadalupe and Valley, unless 1895 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,480 you're going to put major hundreds of 1896 01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:16,960 millions of dollars into building walls 1897 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:19,040 to support the edge of Beayshore through 1898 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:22,960 there. So, I'm hoping that'll be looked 1899 01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:25,520 at. I I'm a total advocate of speed 1900 01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:28,719 cameras, you know, uh lowering the speed 1901 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:30,400 limit, put some speed cameras in. Look, 1902 01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:32,159 I don't know if you've seen or noticed 1903 01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,239 what's going on on Geneva, but it's a 1904 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:38,560 big deal. It's really made a huge 1905 01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:42,000 difference over there. So, um 1906 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:44,880 yeah, I I I wish you would uh uh look at 1907 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:47,520 the fact that so for 5 years and all 1908 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,880 this time, you know, like Stephanie said 1909 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,080 the other night, it's been 30 years 1910 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:55,600 dealing with the bayons issues. 1911 01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:57,520 40. So for five five years that we've 1912 01:32:55,600 --> 01:33:00,400 been talking about a mobility plan and 1913 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:01,840 the sledgelock site, how come now also 1914 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,639 we're interested in dealing with San 1915 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:07,600 Francisco? Because you met with uh Mr. 1916 01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:10,920 Mullen. So, thank you, 1917 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,920 » Charles Spencer. 1918 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:22,560 » Oh, I No, I cut it off. 1919 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,280 » No, sorry, I cut it off. 1920 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,120 » My name is [clears throat] Charles 1921 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,480 Spencer. I'm a Brisbane resident, and 1922 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,800 thank you for allowing me to ask this 1923 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:31,440 question. I am concerned about the 1924 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:34,320 future of Brisbane after the candlestick 1925 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:36,719 park development after the visitation 1926 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:40,400 reconstruction whatever that looks like 1927 01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:43,120 after the bay lands begins and with or 1928 01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:45,280 without the road diet up beayshore what 1929 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:47,040 happens to Brisbane's retail and what 1930 01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:48,880 happens to their social capital 1931 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,159 infrastructure what happens to the city 1932 01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,480 does it get strangled does it get 1933 01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:54,880 absorbed but I don't hear anything any 1934 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:57,440 conversation about the future of 1935 01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:00,080 Brisbane based on all but construction 1936 01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:03,199 that's taking place and you can answer 1937 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,639 that now or when when uh you have a have 1938 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:07,360 an answer. Thanks. 1939 01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:10,320 » Okay. All right. Those are all the 1940 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:13,120 comments on Beayshore mobility plan. 1941 01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,880 » Sorry, somehow there was a mistake, but 1942 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,400 I would like if you would be so 1943 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,560 indulgent on the mobility. 1944 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,639 » I actually announced that that we were 1945 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,040 just going to finish up all the ones we 1946 01:34:20,639 --> 01:34:23,199 had. 1947 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:25,280 » Chris, I put that put that in when I put 1948 01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:27,040 mine in. 1949 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,400 Madame Mayor, they circled number two 1950 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,040 for that comment. 1951 01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,000 » Okay. 1952 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,400 » Item two, but 1953 01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:31,520 » Go ahead. 1954 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,040 » I'm sorry. I appreciate 1955 01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,800 » It's okay. I'm just watching the time 1956 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:37,120 and what we still need to get through. 1957 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:39,760 » Oh, thank you. Um, 1958 01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:43,199 I was sick, so I appreciate you making 1959 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:45,040 time for me. Um, I come about the hall 1960 01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:47,679 route and I guess I want to say right 1961 01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:51,120 off the bat that I can't understand the 1962 01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:53,199 diagram in the in the EIR. It doesn't 1963 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:54,880 tell me where they pick it up and it 1964 01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:57,440 doesn't take me tell me where they put 1965 01:34:54,880 --> 01:35:00,880 it back. And both of those are critical. 1966 01:34:57,440 --> 01:35:03,199 How did they exit the the site with the 1967 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:07,280 dirt and how do they return? And 1968 01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:09,440 moreover, the the EIR shows blank and 1969 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:12,000 tunnel in San Francisco being part of 1970 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:14,480 the hall route and San Francisco doesn't 1971 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,320 allow that size of truck to be there. 1972 01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:19,120 So, I have concerns, but I'm going to 1973 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:21,360 just kind of go for what is in Brisbane 1974 01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:25,040 now and hope that you can explain the 1975 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:27,760 rest to me later. I am Robin Lighter and 1976 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:29,760 I'm a former city manager here and I'm 1977 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:32,800 here because I have real concerns about 1978 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:35,360 the hall route and I know that you and I 1979 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:37,520 share the same values which is that we 1980 01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,520 want to make it safe for Brisbane and we 1981 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:42,000 want to make it manageable. I think 1982 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:45,280 protecting the community is both of ours 1983 01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:47,440 and I see no difference between us. 1984 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,600 What I understand about development is 1985 01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:51,520 that it's uncomfortable. It can be pile 1986 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:55,360 driving. It can be dust. It can be 1987 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:57,440 noise. But what it can't be, I think, is 1988 01:35:55,360 --> 01:36:01,280 something that makes the the city of 1989 01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:04,000 Brisbane unsafe or unmanageable. 1990 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:07,840 Hundreds of heavy trucks moving back and 1991 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:10,400 forth hour upon hour trying to negotiate 1992 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:13,280 intersections that were never designed 1993 01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:15,199 for this kind of truck traffic. Think 1994 01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,880 about the trucks making a slow 1995 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:19,440 right-hand turn onto Beayshore 1996 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:22,560 Boulevard. How many can actually make 1997 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:24,400 that intersection with one light? And 1998 01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:26,880 what happens if they can't make it 1999 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:30,239 within one light? Does it begin to back 2000 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:32,719 up? The EIR says yes. It'll back up all 2001 01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:35,120 the way and occupy the entire lane of 2002 01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:38,159 the bridge. 2003 01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,679 Now add the stop at Lagoon and Tunnel. 2004 01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:42,560 Trucks 2005 01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:46,239 slowing down then accelerating. 2006 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:48,560 Traffic backing up along Tunnel Avenue. 2007 01:36:46,239 --> 01:36:50,639 Picture the trucks trying to get into 2008 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:53,600 the tank farm when the other ones are 2009 01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:56,000 lined up in the other lane. Or how about 2010 01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:58,560 going to Golden State Lumber? How do you 2011 01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:01,760 get across to where the lumber is by the 2012 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:05,360 railard and get back across? How do you 2013 01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:07,360 get in and out of Golden State Lumber? 2014 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:10,239 And I think, 2015 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,639 how do you get leave Brisbane? Cuz that 2016 01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:15,280 lane is going to be difficult that you 2017 01:37:12,639 --> 01:37:17,520 make the left-hand turn lane to off of 2018 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:19,119 Old County Road. And how about if you're 2019 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:21,840 just getting off the freeway and you 2020 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:25,280 want to get into town? How uncomfortable 2021 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:28,080 or congested is that going to make? This 2022 01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:31,520 isn't just traffic congestion. 2023 01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,360 It's a wall of trucks on tunnel which 2024 01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:37,119 one which is one of Brisbane's 2025 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:41,040 evacuation routes in case of emergency. 2026 01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:43,360 And now I ask you imagine an emergency. 2027 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:46,080 Where did they go? There's no shoulder 2028 01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:48,320 on Tennel Avenue. There's no room to 2029 01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:50,960 pull over on the bridge. There's no 2030 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:53,760 shoulder there either. And how about the 2031 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,560 lane of trucks? How do they imaginically 2032 01:37:53,760 --> 01:38:00,639 move out of the way and how long will 2033 01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:02,719 emergency vehicles be delayed? 2034 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:05,360 I just think these are operational 2035 01:38:02,719 --> 01:38:08,080 questions that have to be answered. And 2036 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:10,560 then do you know that the the truck hall 2037 01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:13,520 route is going directly behind the fire 2038 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:18,000 station? So is it okay for our employees 2039 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:20,719 to have 640 trucks pass behind the back 2040 01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:23,520 of the fire station? What will that do 2041 01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:26,880 to their work lives? What will it do to 2042 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:28,480 the dust for the trucks or the turnout 2043 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:31,520 gear? 2044 01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:34,239 And while we're talking about tusk dusk, 2045 01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,639 the hall route is unpaved. Are you going 2046 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:39,199 to have all that dust kicked up and then 2047 01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:41,280 use ton of our own water to keep the 2048 01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:43,280 dust controlled? 2049 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,560 And there are pedestrians and bicycle 2050 01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:48,639 lanes on both of those roads. 2051 01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:51,679 These are questions that I'm asking you 2052 01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:54,560 please to answer before approval. The 2053 01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:59,119 EIR says that these are significant 2054 01:38:54,560 --> 01:39:02,000 adverse effects and the and they affect 2055 01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:04,960 emergency access. Their mitigation 2056 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,560 measure is to make a plan. 2057 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,320 Well, I don't think there's any plan 2058 01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:11,320 that can make up for physical 2059 01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:11,320 limitations. 2060 01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,760 I will provide the city clerk with a 2061 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:17,760 list of things that I think have to be 2062 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:20,560 reviewed to make sure this plan is 2063 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:24,000 feasible. The proposed operation 2064 01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:26,560 involves 640 trucks. It's not an 2065 01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:28,800 abstract number on a traffic chart. 2066 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:32,080 These are repeated movements of large, 2067 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:34,000 slowm moving vehicles in streets that 2068 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:36,800 affect residents and emergency 2069 01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:40,080 responders. A construction management 2070 01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:43,360 plan can't fix that. I want to say to 2071 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:46,239 you that no developer has the right to 2072 01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:49,440 ask a community to surrender its safety 2073 01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:50,719 or disrupt its streets. 2074 01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:52,639 » Robin, are you almost there? 2075 01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:54,960 » I am. The burden should be on the 2076 01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:57,920 developer to de to demonstrate that the 2077 01:39:54,960 --> 01:40:00,960 route is safe because when an emergency 2078 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:03,679 happens, I know we all want to feel like 2079 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,920 we've done the best we can for our 2080 01:40:03,679 --> 01:40:07,360 communities. Thank you for indulging me. 2081 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,360 I appreciate the time. 2082 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:11,040 » Thank you. 2083 01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:12,880 Thank you. Sorry, 2084 01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:15,520 » Madame Mayor. We have our hands raised 2085 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:18,239 online. Christina F and also EMTT 2086 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:20,320 Kenningham submitted a slip. 2087 01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:23,280 » Okay. So, I had announced we were 2088 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:26,800 closing the mobility plan. I will 2089 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:29,360 entertain two more and that's it. That's 2090 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:32,560 it. I've announced it once. We can't 2091 01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:35,199 just go all night on the mobility plan. 2092 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:37,920 » Uh, thank you, Mayor Mack. And my hand's 2093 01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:40,320 been raised for a while. So, um, You 2094 01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,800 can't always see that, Chris. Sorry. 2095 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:48,320 » Yeah, I get that. I'm Thank you for 2096 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:50,960 taking um my comments. You might ask why 2097 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:53,760 the developers even bothered to propose 2098 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:56,480 a road diet. And it's unfortunate that 2099 01:40:53,760 --> 01:41:00,000 the mobility plan utterly fails to 2100 01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:01,760 illustrate how the proposed changes 2101 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:04,059 would work. 2102 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:07,040 Bear in mind the development as proposed 2103 01:41:04,059 --> 01:41:10,159 [clears throat] will will further 2104 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:13,840 increase beayhore traffic if there are 2105 01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:16,239 no mitigations. That will happen. I 2106 01:41:13,840 --> 01:41:17,520 believe any Brisbane resident has 2107 01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:20,080 personal experience of the 2108 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:22,960 ineffectiveness of posting speed limit 2109 01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:25,199 signs. We know they don't change 2110 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:28,159 behavior. 2111 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:29,840 The plan hints at possibilities by 2112 01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:32,320 mentioning changes to Sierra Point 2113 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:34,960 Parkway and Tunnel Road, although they 2114 01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:37,199 have not taken any steps as they could 2115 01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:40,560 have to help us understand how those 2116 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:42,639 would influence changes. 2117 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:45,360 I guess this has already come up. Should 2118 01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:47,600 we be speaking to San Francisco? This is 2119 01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:49,520 so close to the border. And it seems to 2120 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:52,800 me that trying to assess the traffic 2121 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,560 situation without conversations with San 2122 01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,920 Francisco. 2123 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,400 There's no precedent for this 2124 01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:01,760 admittedly. But it seems that we need to 2125 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:03,440 design one. And BDI's total lack of 2126 01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:04,960 maintenance of tunnel road would suggest 2127 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:06,719 that they have no plans to do 2128 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,639 construction because if they were going 2129 01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:11,199 to be doing the kind of struction 2130 01:42:08,639 --> 01:42:14,320 construction and just mediation the the 2131 01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:16,960 movement of that soil they would be 2132 01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:19,600 creating tunnel road to be able to 2133 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:23,440 support that. Thank you. 2134 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:24,480 » Okay. Thank you. Um EMTT this is on I 2135 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:26,080 have you on um 2136 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:27,280 » I've got two items and I've got one for 2137 01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:27,920 general, one for this. 2138 01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,760 » Okay. 2139 01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:32,719 » This will be quick I think. 2140 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:34,560 Uh this is a case against trucking. 2141 01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:37,199 » This is a case against trucking. This is 2142 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,320 um a case probably for a conveyor. There 2143 01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,080 are different types of dump trucks 2144 01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:43,199 ranging from single axle to super dump 2145 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:45,119 trucks. Bayland is 2.5 to 2.9 millions 2146 01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:46,560 cubic yards of dirt to transfer. The 2147 01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:48,000 bigger the dump truck, the more yards 2148 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,920 they can hold, the fewer loads they have 2149 01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,360 to run to complete the transfer. Seems 2150 01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:52,719 straightforward, but the more weight 2151 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:55,920 that the dump trucks have, the more 2152 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:59,360 damage that will be done to the roads. 2153 01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:00,800 This is big. The more weight the dump 2154 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:03,040 trucks have, the more damage that can be 2155 01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:06,080 done to the roads. The the ratio is not 2156 01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:08,400 a a multiplier of two or three. It's a 2157 01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:11,360 it's not it's not a square. It's not a 2158 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:12,880 cubic. It's a quartic. You multiply you 2159 01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:15,199 raise it to the power of four relative 2160 01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:17,040 to the weight to the axle. In this 2161 01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,560 particular case with the high end of 2162 01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:20,800 these things, it ranges from well 2163 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:23,600 actually the mid end ranges from a 2164 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:26,880 thousand times to 10,000 times more 2165 01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:29,880 damage to the roads per truck than per 2166 01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,880 car. 2167 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:35,040 So 640 truckloads per day is the 2168 01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:40,639 equivalent of road damage of 640,000 2169 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:42,000 or 6.4 million cars per day. 2170 01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:44,080 How many days would it take to have to 2171 01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:46,639 have the road for the road to require to 2172 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:49,360 be repaired? 2173 01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:52,880 6.4. Maybe we can get with 60 or 70 2174 01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:55,040 million. 10 days. No problem. Okay. The 2175 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,880 road costs would likely be exorbitant. 2176 01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,719 And the frequency of road repairs would 2177 01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:01,840 also be an avoidable risk that would 2178 01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:04,320 likely impact project timelines. 2179 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,840 Worse yet, during the winter time, when 2180 01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:09,760 everything is wet and the weight of the 2181 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:11,360 dirt is more, the roads, the damage just 2182 01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:14,320 increases. 2183 01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:16,480 It goes up by about 40 to 70% depending 2184 01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:18,000 on the on the on how wet the the dirt 2185 01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:21,280 is. 2186 01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:22,880 So, shall we include the cost of diesel? 2187 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,560 Sure. Diesel costs are at an all-time 2188 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,560 high. So, let's assume the diesel prices 2189 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:28,320 come back down towards normal. 2190 01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:30,080 Regardless, this is going to be a huge 2191 01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:32,480 cost risk and is completely outside of 2192 01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:34,400 your control. 2193 01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:36,000 Last but not least, I strongly urge the 2194 01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:38,159 council to require some sort of dirt 2195 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,480 conveyor. I'm not going to speak more 2196 01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:41,840 than that. Surely the initial surely 2197 01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:44,080 this is initially going to be less 2198 01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:46,320 expensive on the timeline and 2199 01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:48,560 significantly more predictable in terms 2200 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:50,880 of costs. Dump trucks, if dump trucks 2201 01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:52,800 are allowed, then please require the 2202 01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,159 developer to repave the roads and the 2203 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:57,119 routes that the dump trucks take 2204 01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:58,960 whenever the city manager city engineer 2205 01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:00,719 mandates that the repair is required. 2206 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:04,239 Thank you. 2207 01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:06,880 Thank you. All right, that concludes the 2208 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:08,800 mobility segment. The last public 2209 01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:11,040 hearing, we allowed some general 2210 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:12,639 comments and so I have some slips. We 2211 01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,159 weren't going to do this tonight. I have 2212 01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:16,880 four slips. That's all I'm going to 2213 01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:20,159 take. Very general comments. If you 2214 01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:22,719 start diving down into mobility, I'm 2215 01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:25,040 going to stop you. General comments, 2216 01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:27,840 please. Please respect what we're trying 2217 01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:29,840 to do. All right. The first one I have 2218 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:34,239 and four minutes tonight, please. We got 2219 01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:35,760 a lot of ground to cover. Linda Sammon. 2220 01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:38,719 » I'll pass today. 2221 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:41,838 » Okay. Second one. EMTT Cunningham. 2222 01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:41,838 Again, [clears throat] 2223 01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:46,719 » This might be a little bit longer, but 2224 01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:48,719 it's just as well prepared. 2225 01:45:46,719 --> 01:45:50,080 Alternatives. After spending way too 2226 01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:52,000 much time reviewing the alternatives 2227 01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:53,600 page and focusing on alternative 7, 2228 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,960 which was suggested by staff as the most 2229 01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,600 environmentally friendly, and comparing 2230 01:45:54,960 --> 01:46:00,000 that to alternative three specifically, 2231 01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:02,560 I strongly favor alternative three. Why, 2232 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:05,280 you ask? Well, a bunch of reasons. 2233 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:07,360 Number three has more homes, implying 2234 01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:09,760 more tax revenue to the city. Number 2235 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,760 three has more office space, implying 2236 01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:13,840 more tax revenue to the city. These two 2237 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:15,679 points have long-term fiscal impacts on 2238 01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:17,360 the city and our ability to provide 2239 01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:19,360 services to new and existing citizens 2240 01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:21,199 and businesses. More services means 2241 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:23,119 better bis means more and better 2242 01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:25,040 businesses. Better businesses means more 2243 01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:27,040 tax revenue. It's essentially a positive 2244 01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,880 feedback loop. 2245 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,800 In this case, more is actually better. 2246 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:33,520 Conversely, the fewer homes and less 2247 01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:35,199 office space implies less tax revenue to 2248 01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:38,159 the city. This is not a hard thing to 2249 01:46:35,199 --> 01:46:39,679 figure out. Number three, alternative 2250 01:46:38,159 --> 01:46:41,040 three spreads things out more by putting 2251 01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:42,560 office space on the east side of the 2252 01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,719 train tracks. This is one of the cons 2253 01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:46,800 that is mentioned. This implies more 2254 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:49,679 travel time and more piles that need to 2255 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:52,880 be driven. Driving piles is a relatively 2256 01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:55,600 short-term impact for longterm gain. 2257 01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:57,040 Yes, I'd be likely to be the person who 2258 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,679 get bears one of the people who bears 2259 01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,840 the brunt of those piles. 2260 01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:04,560 I won't like it, but it's a better 2261 01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:07,760 choice for the city. 2262 01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:09,840 More travel time implies more GHD 2263 01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,760 greenhouse gases. Or does it? Yes, 2264 01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:14,159 obviously it does, but not the same rate 2265 01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:16,719 that we've had in the past. We're seeing 2266 01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:18,560 an adoption of EVs in California, and 2267 01:47:16,719 --> 01:47:20,480 it's still increasing. And I don't think 2268 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,239 it's going to stop. We're going to see 2269 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:23,840 less and less cars that are actually 2270 01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:25,760 producing greenhouse gases in the 2271 01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:27,440 future. So, plan for the future, not for 2272 01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,040 the past. 2273 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:30,960 So, I don't think the greenhouse gases 2274 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:33,760 is a big deal as it was when this was 2275 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:35,760 written 5 years ago, no less today. I'm 2276 01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:40,239 I'm just not as worried about that topic 2277 01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:42,239 as I was the as I was previously. Um so 2278 01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:43,760 short summary, PAL driving is a 2279 01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:46,000 short-term annoyance and an 2280 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,760 inconvenience and more for me than most 2281 01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,679 people in Brisbane. More travel time, 2282 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:52,159 thus more GHD is probably isn't as big 2283 01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:54,560 an issue as it was in the past. So So a 2284 01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:57,119 small and decreasing am deal over the 2285 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:59,840 over the long term. More tax revenue to 2286 01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:02,239 the city is a big deal, particularly 2287 01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,760 over the long term. This is we're 2288 01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:06,239 supposed to be planning for the future, 2289 01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,840 not for today. 2290 01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:09,360 So, in my opinion, the higher tax 2291 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,040 revenue would dominate the decision in 2292 01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,880 making the process and comparing these 2293 01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:15,199 two options. 2294 01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:17,679 I I'm sorry, but those who prefer 2295 01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:18,960 alternative 7 over alternative three, I 2296 01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,800 don't think they've really considered 2297 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:24,560 the fiscal responsibility of the cities 2298 01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:27,560 in the future. Thank you. Okay, Michelle 2299 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,560 Sammon, 2300 01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:34,719 » You already know what the people want 2301 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:38,159 because they voted for measure JJ and 2302 01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:39,840 that was really pretty clear. And so my 2303 01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:41,199 most important thing to say to you, I 2304 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,719 really appreciate all the work that 2305 01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:45,920 you're doing and all the work that the 2306 01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:47,760 staff is doing, but make a decision that 2307 01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,360 doesn't harm the community, your 2308 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,840 constituents, 2309 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:53,600 and this community of constituents and 2310 01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:56,000 the future community of Brisbane. 2311 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,520 Fulfill your promise. And on the energy 2312 01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,480 thing that we were talking about 2313 01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,480 earlier, fulfilling your promise means 2314 01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:05,440 that according to measure JJ, it needs 2315 01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:07,360 to be energy neutral. So that needs to 2316 01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:09,840 be written in like Terry and Madison 2317 01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:13,360 suggested. It doesn't really I mean yeah 2318 01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:15,360 the review will give you some ideas. Um 2319 01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:18,159 and when I brought up the Corey trucks 2320 01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,920 it was because it was a very clear 2321 01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:22,639 example 2322 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:24,400 of no oversight 2323 01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:26,960 even when the law clearly states there 2324 01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:29,280 needs to be oversight both by the county 2325 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:31,600 and by the city of Brisbane and by 2326 01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:36,239 Calrans and by the contractor who's 2327 01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:39,040 doing the freeway. So, it it really is 2328 01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:42,000 important that we do no harm to this 2329 01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:45,280 community in this process. And that is 2330 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:47,360 your um that is what you're charged with 2331 01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:49,119 doing. And you're right, Cliff, you 2332 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:50,880 weren't the one who didn't want to talk 2333 01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:54,639 to San Francisco. You wanted to go talk 2334 01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:57,639 to them very much. Thank you, Nells 2335 01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:57,639 Delander. 2336 01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,800 Good evening, mayor, council members, 2337 01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:12,000 and city staff. My name is Nelson 2338 01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,159 Zulander. I'm a representative for 2339 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,679 Carver's Local 217 that covers Sanonteo 2340 01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:17,600 County. 2341 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:19,280 Being a close resident of South San 2342 01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:21,440 Francisco, the Bay Lands project will 2343 01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:23,679 bring many needed housing for my members 2344 01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:25,119 can afford to live here. Also by having 2345 01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:27,199 this development built by a responsible 2346 01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:28,800 general contractor and doubling down on 2347 01:50:27,199 --> 01:50:31,360 safety by having the most qualified 2348 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,719 workers build this project. We've been 2349 01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,800 talking about this project for many 2350 01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:36,320 years and I'm excited to have our 2351 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:38,800 workers be part of this mind mental 2352 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:41,440 development. Thank you for your time. 2353 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:43,679 » Thank you. All right, that's all I have 2354 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:45,360 on general comments. We're moving on now 2355 01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:48,560 to this week's schedule topics, 2356 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:50,560 remediation and phasing. There's various 2357 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:52,159 subheadings under this topic. I'll read 2358 01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:54,080 them off. if you could please bring your 2359 01:50:52,159 --> 01:50:56,320 questions and comments up under the 2360 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:58,000 appropriate headings. I understand some 2361 01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:01,679 of them are squishy and it's going to 2362 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:05,119 kind of be hard to tell. Um, and some of 2363 01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:07,280 the things I heard under transportation 2364 01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:10,080 tonight also could have fit under some 2365 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:12,480 of these categories as well. First 2366 01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:14,960 category is remediation framework and 2367 01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:17,360 responsible agencies. Second is site 2368 01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:20,800 grading, soil testing and clean soil 2369 01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:23,840 design. Third is sequencing, remediation 2370 01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:27,360 and development. Fourth is land use 2371 01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:30,239 restrict restrictions and enforcement. 2372 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:33,840 Five is city liability and financial 2373 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:36,000 risk. Six is phasing specific plan 2374 01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,599 chapter 9 two different development 2375 01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:39,760 phases. 2376 01:51:37,599 --> 01:51:43,119 Seven is long-term remediation 2377 01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:44,960 stewardship and monitoring. and eight is 2378 01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:48,000 planning commission recommendations, 2379 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:49,920 remediation, reporting, and enforcement. 2380 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:53,599 Members of the public, please fill out 2381 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:56,447 your speaker slips appropriately noting 2382 01:51:53,599 --> 01:51:58,080 the topic you wish to speak on. Members 2383 01:51:56,447 --> 01:52:00,320 [snorts] of the public at home, please 2384 01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:03,840 raise your hand in Zoom to be added to a 2385 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:05,760 speaker card. Staff report, please, on 2386 01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:07,920 phasing and remediation. And I 2387 01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:11,280 understand you will be covering all of 2388 01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:15,280 the topics in your presentation. We will 2389 01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:17,360 ask questions according to subheadings. 2390 01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:18,719 » All right, let's get the slides up. Good 2391 01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,239 evening, honorable mayor and council 2392 01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:21,840 members. 2393 01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:23,360 I'll start with a quick presentation 2394 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,040 over me. We can go to the second slide 2395 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,639 already. 2396 01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:28,239 Uh so tonight's presentation includes an 2397 01:52:26,639 --> 01:52:30,480 overview of remediation and a general 2398 01:52:28,239 --> 01:52:32,800 framework of the phasing of remediation 2399 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:34,320 and then last we'll touch on items uh 2400 01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:36,159 staff is requesting council direction 2401 01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:37,840 on. After staff's presentation, the 2402 01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:39,440 applicant will have an opportunity to 2403 01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,960 address the council followed by the 2404 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:43,119 public comment as you mentioned and 2405 01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:45,360 tonight on tonight's remediation topics. 2406 01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:47,199 So with that, I'm going to introduce 2407 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:49,040 Michael Barnes of ESA who will review 2408 01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:52,360 the remediation process and we can go to 2409 01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:52,360 the next slide. 2410 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,599 Next slide. 2411 01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,280 Um, thank you. [clears throat] 2412 01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:02,080 I like to do is present kind of a 2413 01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,159 overview of 2414 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:07,760 » We're having trouble hearing you. Yeah. 2415 01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:10,719 Unfortunately, this is a little short. 2416 01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:11,920 » Yeah. Let's slide on over 2417 01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:12,400 » There. How's that? Is that better? 2418 01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:12,960 » That's good. 2419 01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:13,440 » Okay. Good. 2420 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,800 » Thank you. 2421 01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:18,320 » Sorry, we have a short cord here. 2422 01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:20,239 So, for the hazards and remediation 2423 01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,719 process, there are three main hazardous 2424 01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:22,080 materials. 2425 01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:23,119 » You're going to have to speak up. We 2426 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,520 can't hear you. Sorry. 2427 01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:26,400 » I think it's just your your voice volume 2428 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:29,280 level. 2429 01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,639 » Okay. So, there are three main hazardous 2430 01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:33,599 material sites. There's the former 2431 01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:37,520 Brisbane landfill, the Sonteo County 2432 01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:40,080 portion of the UPC operable unit SM and 2433 01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:41,760 then the operable unit OU. So the 2434 01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:43,119 remediation of these sites are 2435 01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:45,199 responsible of the regional water 2436 01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:47,599 quality control board and the department 2437 01:53:45,199 --> 01:53:49,119 of toxic substance control is not 2438 01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:52,080 considered part of the project. Those 2439 01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:53,760 happen to happen first. However, the 2440 01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:56,320 appropriate site remediation must 2441 01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:58,080 precede bays development. The general 2442 01:53:56,320 --> 01:54:00,560 plan requires that the site remediation 2443 01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:02,080 be undertaken as a prerequisite to that 2444 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,840 development. 2445 01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,599 So there are three main hazardous 2446 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:09,520 material sites within here and this next 2447 01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:11,280 slide will show a map of where they are. 2448 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:14,880 In a purple is the former Brisbane 2449 01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:19,159 landfill. In blue is the OSM and in 2450 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:19,159 green is the U2. 2451 01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:24,320 Next slide please. 2452 01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:25,920 So again, apologies for this slide 2453 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:27,599 business, but there really are a lot of 2454 01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:29,280 steps to the overall process of 2455 01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:31,520 investigating and remediating 2456 01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:35,760 contaminated sites. This particular 2457 01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:37,280 slide provides a uh uh table of that. So 2458 01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:39,520 for your project scoping and planning, 2459 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,599 this happens first. Your initial phase 2460 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:43,119 includes reviewing site data, developing 2461 01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:45,520 conceptual models, and setting the 2462 01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:47,920 overall objectives. Then you enter the 2463 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,679 into the remedial investigation phase. 2464 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:51,920 This includes the actual field sampling 2465 01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:54,080 and lab analyses to characterize the 2466 01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:56,159 nature and extent of contamination and 2467 01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:58,400 then assess the risks to health in the 2468 01:54:56,159 --> 01:55:00,800 environment. Within this part, you also 2469 01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:03,119 do data gaps analyses where as you 2470 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:05,199 collect your information, you analyze 2471 01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:07,440 this information to figure out do we 2472 01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:09,199 have all the information that we need to 2473 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,040 characterize the nature and extent and 2474 01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:13,440 then make some choices on how to deal 2475 01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:15,679 with it. In dealing with it, you go into 2476 01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:17,360 the feasibility study phase. This is 2477 01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:19,040 where you develop and screen cleanup 2478 01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,800 alternatives based on the regulatory 2479 01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:22,800 requirements and the evaluation 2480 01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:24,560 criteria. Within this, you'll put 2481 01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:27,199 together a number of alternatives and 2482 01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:29,119 then you recommend one. 2483 01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:31,440 Then you go into the remedial action 2484 01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:33,360 plan and the remedial development 2485 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:35,440 implementation plans and the remedial 2486 01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:37,280 designs. In this step, you're 2487 01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:39,199 integrating all these findings to 2488 01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,360 recommend the preferred remedial actions 2489 01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:43,199 for the regulatory decisions. design 2490 01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:45,599 your work plans, pre-esign 2491 01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:47,840 investigations and come up with your 2492 01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:49,440 your final design there and then when 2493 01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,960 you complete that you do the remedial 2494 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:53,920 action which is where you actually go 2495 01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:56,080 and implement this remedy. All these 2496 01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,920 process and steps may vary some 2497 01:55:56,080 --> 01:55:59,679 depending upon the regulatory agency on 2498 01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:02,320 the site but all the steps are 2499 01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:05,280 conducted. For example, landfills 2500 01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:06,960 prepare a closure postclosure plan which 2501 01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:09,920 is essentially the same as a remedial 2502 01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:12,239 action plan. The regulatory agencies 2503 01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:15,840 review every submittal and must approve 2504 01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:19,480 each step before the next step is taken. 2505 01:56:15,840 --> 01:56:19,480 Next slide, please. 2506 01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:24,400 Let's talk about some of the individual 2507 01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:26,880 sites. The former Brisbane landfill is 2508 01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:28,639 bounded to the east by Highway 101, to 2509 01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:31,280 the west by Tunnel Road, and the south 2510 01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:33,760 by the lagoon. The landfill is a closed, 2511 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:35,760 unlined landfill where buried waste is 2512 01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:37,599 covered with filled and inert debris. 2513 01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:39,360 Some of the surface area is developed. 2514 01:56:37,599 --> 01:56:41,440 Some of it has hardcape, meaning 2515 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:43,920 pavement or concrete, and some of it is 2516 01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:46,560 pvious. Some of the surface has clean 2517 01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:49,040 fill stockpiled for future use. The 2518 01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:51,119 landfill has an active landfill gas 2519 01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:53,520 collection system, a groundwater 2520 01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:55,760 monitoring network, and a leech seat 2521 01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:57,840 collection system. 2522 01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:00,159 So, the planned remediation consists of 2523 01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:02,480 removing the stockpiled clean soil, 2524 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:04,880 installing a cap, and constructing a 2525 01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:07,040 leech collection system. Because the 2526 01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:09,440 landfill is unlined, that leaf takeake 2527 01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:11,040 system will also collect groundwater. 2528 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:15,360 This will serve to capture and pull 2529 01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:18,239 groundwater from the UPC USM and the OU 2530 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:20,719 to operable units located adjacent and 2531 01:57:18,239 --> 01:57:22,560 west of the landfill. The responsible 2532 01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:24,800 agency for the landfill is the regional 2533 01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:26,639 water quality control board. It will 2534 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:28,480 implement land use restrictions that 2535 01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:31,599 require the cap integrity to be 2536 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:34,239 maintained. The cap may not be disturbed 2537 01:57:31,599 --> 01:57:38,080 without waterboard approval and a plan 2538 01:57:34,239 --> 01:57:41,639 to restore the integrity of that cap. 2539 01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,639 Next slide, please. 2540 01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:48,320 So, the UPC USM is the area adjacent and 2541 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:51,280 west of the northern part of the former 2542 01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:53,760 landfill. The OU consists of the former 2543 01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:55,840 rail yards that at one time included 2544 01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,840 repair shops, paint storage, a lumber 2545 01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:00,000 yard and planing mill, and oil and 2546 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,920 sludge straps. It's currently vacant 2547 01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:04,320 with various remaining foundations and 2548 01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:06,639 building slabs. To date, some 2549 01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:08,239 contaminated soil has been removed and a 2550 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:12,239 groundwater extraction and treatment 2551 01:58:08,239 --> 01:58:13,840 system operated from 1995 to 2008 to 2552 01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:16,000 extract and treat contaminated 2553 01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:18,239 groundwater as well as that migrating 2554 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:19,280 from the off-flight slave OU to the 2555 01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:21,760 west. 2556 01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:24,560 The planned remediation will consist of 2557 01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:26,159 installing a cap, removing contaminated 2558 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,639 soil where the cap in placement is 2559 01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:30,960 impractical, and installing soil vapor 2560 01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:33,119 mitigation systems where soil vapor 2561 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:35,360 testing indicates that soil vapor is 2562 01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:37,760 above regulatory action levels. I'll 2563 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:39,920 have a slide on vapor mitigation in a 2564 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:42,480 little bit here. For this particular 2565 01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:46,000 operable unit, the DTSC is a responsible 2566 01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:49,520 agency whom will enforce remediation and 2567 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:53,159 the listed land use restrictions. 2568 01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:53,159 Next slide, please. 2569 01:58:54,400 --> 01:59:01,920 So, the operable unit OU2 is located 2570 01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:04,159 south of the uh OSM. This particular one 2571 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,920 also includes former rail yards that at 2572 01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:09,199 one time had a machine and erecting 2573 01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:12,239 shop, a rail turntable and roundhouse, a 2574 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:14,880 3 milliongal oil tank, a tank and boiler 2575 01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:17,280 shop, and a rail switching yard along 2576 01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,639 with a solid waste dump site. The site 2577 01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:21,040 is currently vacant with various 2578 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:23,280 remaining foundations and building slab. 2579 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:25,840 The site currently has Cal Train tracks 2580 01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:28,000 along the east side. Industrial way 2581 01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:30,159 properties to the south formally include 2582 01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:32,960 underground storage tanks, a glue and 2583 01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:35,679 fertilizer manufacturing facility, auto 2584 01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:37,280 refinishing, and other businesses. 2585 01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:39,920 Current uses along there include 2586 01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:42,960 automobile garages, storage warehouses, 2587 01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:45,280 and a boxing ring. Similar to the other 2588 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:47,280 site, the plant remediation will consist 2589 01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:49,520 of installing a cap, removing 2590 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:52,159 contaminated soil where cap in placement 2591 01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:54,480 is impractical, installing soil vapor 2592 01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:57,119 mitigation systems where soil vapor 2593 01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:58,880 testing includes soil vapor above 2594 01:59:57,119 --> 02:00:01,520 regulatory action level inside 2595 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:04,880 buildings, and operating an institute 2596 02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:07,840 groundwater remediation system to reduce 2597 02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:10,639 volanic compounds to below regulatory 2598 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:12,800 action levels. for this operable unit. 2599 02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:15,199 The water board is a responsible agency 2600 02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:18,159 and will enforce remediation and listed 2601 02:00:15,199 --> 02:00:21,800 land use restrictions. 2602 02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:21,800 Next slide please. 2603 02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:26,880 So you've heard that soil vapor uh 2604 02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:29,199 mitigation will be implemented. So one 2605 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:30,880 question is well how does this work? So 2606 02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:32,960 what you do is for each of the locations 2607 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:35,280 you sample the existing concentrations 2608 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:37,679 and design accordingly. You'll install 2609 02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:39,360 typical best management practice. And 2610 02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:40,639 these could include either removing the 2611 02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:42,880 soil so that you don't have the 2612 02:00:40,639 --> 02:00:45,119 contamination in the first place or 2613 02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:47,360 installing vapor barriers to prevent it 2614 02:00:45,119 --> 02:00:49,840 from getting into the uh breathing space 2615 02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:51,920 of the building on top of there or 2616 02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:55,040 installing active or passive ventilation 2617 02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:57,440 systems or combinations of all of those. 2618 02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:59,440 Once built, the breathing zones inside 2619 02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:02,080 the structure you've constructed on top 2620 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:04,239 of it are tested to verify that the 2621 02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:08,080 systems are working as designed and the 2622 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:10,320 building is safe to occupy. 2623 02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:12,480 Next slide. 2624 02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:14,719 So, how does capping work? As you've 2625 02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:16,480 heard, there's a lot of uh soil that's 2626 02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:19,440 been stockpiled over the landfill that 2627 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:21,119 be used to install that cap. The concept 2628 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:23,360 is that the CAP is going to isolate the 2629 02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:25,440 waste so that it can't be accessed by 2630 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:27,440 people or the environment. The site 2631 02:01:25,440 --> 02:01:29,440 owners are each required to maintain the 2632 02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:32,000 cap and the site owners are required to 2633 02:01:29,440 --> 02:01:35,360 inspect and report annually. There will 2634 02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:38,000 be land use covenants in place enforced 2635 02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:40,880 by the uh department of toxic substance 2636 02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:42,880 and control and the water board. uh for 2637 02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:45,520 any case where you disturb the cap. If 2638 02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:47,280 you choose to do so, you're required to 2639 02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:49,360 submit a plan to those regulatory 2640 02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:51,440 agencies explaining how you're going to 2641 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:54,960 restore the integrity of the cap after 2642 02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:56,960 the disturbance is completed. 2643 02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:59,520 This next slide here shows kind of a 2644 02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:02,480 typical cap detail. 2645 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:03,920 Uh you can see very well the uh uh four 2646 02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,760 layers. You've got the refu or your 2647 02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:07,599 waste down at the bottom. Over that 2648 02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:09,440 you're going to put the soil foundation 2649 02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:12,400 layer. On top of that, you put a 2650 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:14,480 compacted clay liner to restrict water 2651 02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:16,080 uh infiltration down through there. And 2652 02:02:14,480 --> 02:02:18,320 then on top, you have the erosion 2653 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:19,840 resistant layer and the engineered fill. 2654 02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:23,040 Like to direct your attention to the 2655 02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:25,119 item uh noted on the right in between 2656 02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:27,520 your engineered fill and the top of the 2657 02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:30,560 compacted clay layer, you put a drainage 2658 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:32,560 geocmposite. The idea is that as rain 2659 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:34,719 falls on your engineered fill and 2660 02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:36,960 percolates down, you collect it in that 2661 02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:38,800 geo composite and route it away from 2662 02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:42,920 that area. so that you don't get a 2663 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,920 buildup of fluids there. 2664 02:02:43,679 --> 02:02:48,400 So, let's briefly summarize the 2665 02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:50,320 investigative history. 2666 02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:52,960 Uh, Brisbane landfill began its 2667 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:55,040 operations in 1932 and stopped receiving 2668 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:56,560 waste in 1967. 2669 02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:58,320 Bear in mind that the modern waste 2670 02:02:56,560 --> 02:03:02,000 disposal practices were not yet 2671 02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:04,719 developed by 1967 and formul formal 2672 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:07,440 regulatory closure plans were not yet 2673 02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:09,360 required. The first regulatory order to 2674 02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:12,320 improve landfill operations was issued 2675 02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:15,599 by the water board in 1958. Cleanup and 2676 02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:18,560 abatement order number 94-134, 2677 02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:20,480 was issued in 1994, and the first waste 2678 02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:23,679 discharge requirements were adopted in 2679 02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:26,719 2001. Monitoring of groundwater began in 2680 02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:28,960 1988, and has continued to date. A 2681 02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:32,400 landfill gas extraction system was 2682 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:34,320 installed in 1991 and continues to date. 2683 02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:35,840 In viewing geot tracker, the website 2684 02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:39,199 where the waterboard posts its 2685 02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:41,760 documents, there are 214 site documents, 2686 02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:46,080 89 monitoring reports, all posted 2687 02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:48,400 between 1958 and the present. 2688 02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:50,080 The rail yards were originally bayands 2689 02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:51,599 that were filled in with rock blasted 2690 02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:53,679 from a nearby road cut through 2691 02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:56,800 visitation point and rubble from the 2692 02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:58,560 1906 earthquake. The rail yards rail 2693 02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:01,520 yards and the associated industries 2694 02:03:58,560 --> 02:04:04,080 began operations in about 1914 and 2695 02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:06,239 continued to 1960. Environmental 2696 02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:09,679 investigations at the rail yards began 2697 02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:13,880 in 1982. The rail yards were split into 2698 02:04:09,679 --> 02:04:13,880 operable units U-S2 2699 02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:19,040 for further south in 1995. 2700 02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:21,119 In reviewing Envirrostore, the website 2701 02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:23,679 where the department of toxic substances 2702 02:04:21,119 --> 02:04:26,400 control point posts its documents. There 2703 02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:30,320 are 134 documents that have been posted 2704 02:04:26,400 --> 02:04:32,000 between 1985 and two 2025. The documents 2705 02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:34,239 include various regulatory agency 2706 02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:36,080 orders, work plans, investigative 2707 02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:37,599 reports, and monitoring and remedial 2708 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:41,520 actions. 2709 02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:44,159 The U2 area was split off from the OUSM 2710 02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:46,880 and that particular one has 29 site 2711 02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:49,520 documents and t 10 monitoring reports 2712 02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:51,360 that have been posted through 2026. 2713 02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:54,159 Again, they include various regulatory 2714 02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:56,159 agency orders, work plans, investigative 2715 02:04:54,159 --> 02:04:58,800 reports, and monitoring and remedial 2716 02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:00,880 actions. Collectively, these various 2717 02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:02,960 reports document thousands of samples 2718 02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:05,280 collected and analyzed. thousands of 2719 02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:07,199 labor hours expended to document, 2720 02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:09,280 investigate, and develop remedial 2721 02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:12,679 actions and closure plans for these 2722 02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:12,679 waste sites. 2723 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:18,080 In addition to this, along the way, the 2724 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:20,000 city has contracted EKI as a third-party 2725 02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:22,159 technical reviewer for these documents 2726 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:25,360 as they were being prepared. Uh they 2727 02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:26,880 have been on board since 2018. They've 2728 02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:28,560 uh they have participated in meetings 2729 02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:31,360 with the agencies, with the city, and 2730 02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:32,800 the project team members. 2731 02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:34,880 Um they've reviewed the various 2732 02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:36,960 historical activities and looked for 2733 02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:39,440 data gaps which were then advised to the 2734 02:05:36,960 --> 02:05:41,360 various consultants to go and fill. They 2735 02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:43,440 reviewed the analytes, the testing 2736 02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:45,199 methods, the analytical data. They 2737 02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:47,280 reviewed the remedial technologies and 2738 02:05:45,199 --> 02:05:49,440 proposed remedies, evaluated the 2739 02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:52,000 exposure pathways and potential 2740 02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:53,360 receptors and evaluated the compliance 2741 02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:55,040 with the city and regulatory 2742 02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:56,639 requirements. 2743 02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,880 So they've discussed all these findings 2744 02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:02,080 with the city and provided comments and 2745 02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:04,960 red lines to BDIS consultants as those 2746 02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:06,800 documents were being prepared. So they 2747 02:06:04,960 --> 02:06:08,800 reviewed then the revised documents to 2748 02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:10,800 confirm that the comments and karna 2749 02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:12,880 concerns were addressed sometimes 2750 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:14,639 repeatedly. They have also assisted the 2751 02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:18,360 study in preparing comment letters to 2752 02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:18,360 the regulatory agencies. 2753 02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:22,760 Next slide please. 2754 02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:31,560 Uh, I think you skipped over one. It 2755 02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:31,560 should say remediation oversight. 2756 02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:39,360 Well, there we are. Okay. For the 2757 02:06:37,119 --> 02:06:40,960 remediation oversight, 2758 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:43,760 each of these sites has existing 2759 02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:45,360 enforcement orders that are enforced by 2760 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:47,280 uh the top department of toxic 2761 02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:49,119 consumption control and the water board 2762 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:51,599 until the concentrations decrease to 2763 02:06:49,119 --> 02:06:54,639 below their regulatory action levels. So 2764 02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:56,800 these regulatory agencies, not the city, 2765 02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:59,360 have the oversight responsibility over 2766 02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:01,360 those remediation activities. They will 2767 02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:03,280 require land use covenants to require 2768 02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:07,280 monitoring and maintenance of those 2769 02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:09,520 remedial actions. However, the city also 2770 02:07:07,280 --> 02:07:11,199 has the uh right for approval for 2771 02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:13,040 building construction and occupation 2772 02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:15,599 permits, and the approval of those 2773 02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:18,000 permits are contingent upon confirmation 2774 02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:20,079 that the required remedial actions have 2775 02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:23,079 indeed occurred on a sightby-sight 2776 02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:23,079 basis. 2777 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:28,719 Last slide, please. [clears throat] 2778 02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:31,520 This slide is also a little bit busy but 2779 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:34,239 was prepared to kind of compare the the 2780 02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:36,960 remediation steps and the development 2781 02:07:34,239 --> 02:07:38,880 steps. In the upper left corner under 2782 02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:41,760 activity is the very first one which is 2783 02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:43,920 relocate that soil install the caps that 2784 02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:46,639 has to happen before any of the 2785 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:48,000 development can happen. 2786 02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:50,000 Um, you know, I won't go through all 2787 02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:52,159 these steps, but in essence, there's the 2788 02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:54,800 pre-development remediation, the site 2789 02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:58,159 preparation, the building construction, 2790 02:07:54,800 --> 02:08:00,400 and then the monitoring and reporting. 2791 02:07:58,159 --> 02:08:02,480 And I think that brings me to the end of 2792 02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:04,239 our overview. I'd like to turn over to 2793 02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,840 Jeremiah who had some more summary 2794 02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:07,119 slides to go through. 2795 02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:08,480 » All right. Thank you, Michael. Next 2796 02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:10,960 slide. Uh, so we're going to transition 2797 02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:13,040 from uh that remediation process to a 2798 02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:15,040 little more on uh oversight when when 2799 02:08:13,040 --> 02:08:16,480 that applies. Um, and it's going to 2800 02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:19,440 touch on a little bit more that that 2801 02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:21,119 kind of par uh table you just saw. Um, 2802 02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:22,800 and it's also these next slides are 2803 02:08:21,119 --> 02:08:24,960 going to be uh they're kind of a 2804 02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,960 simplified overview of it was attachment 2805 02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:28,480 six to the August 13th planning 2806 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,560 commission memorandum. So, if you want a 2807 02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:34,239 full table of what I'm going over, it 2808 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:35,199 was provided then. So, we can go um Oh, 2809 02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:38,079 we're on the right side already. All 2810 02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:39,760 right. Uh, so the we're going to have 2811 02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:42,320 three general phases to describe 2812 02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:43,920 remediation oversight. Uh we're just 2813 02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:45,599 going to put these buckets of before 2814 02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:47,760 construction begins, during 2815 02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:49,679 construction, and after construction is 2816 02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:51,599 complete. Uh each phase includes 2817 02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:53,440 specific inspections and monitoring 2818 02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:54,639 required by state regulatory agencies 2819 02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:56,639 that we've already referenced 2820 02:08:54,639 --> 02:08:58,320 throughout. And and for the former 2821 02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:00,079 landfill, the Sanonteo County Health 2822 02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:02,400 Department will also serve as the local 2823 02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:04,400 enforcement agency. Specialized 2824 02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:06,239 contractors, licensed engineers, and 2825 02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:08,320 environmental experts will perform the 2826 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:10,800 required remedial actions under strict 2827 02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:12,400 regulatory procedures. And so we're 2828 02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:15,599 going to walk through these next slides. 2829 02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:17,920 It they're mostly applicable to UM and 2830 02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:19,199 U2, but the landfill site, the former 2831 02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:20,800 landfill will follow a very similar 2832 02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:24,000 oversight process just like Michael had 2833 02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:26,400 said. Next slide. 2834 02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:28,480 So this phase is all about verification 2835 02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:30,000 and preparation. So before any shovels 2836 02:09:28,480 --> 02:09:31,760 hit the ground, those qualified 2837 02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,520 professionals have collected hundreds of 2838 02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:36,400 soils and groundwater samples within 2839 02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:38,960 OUSM and U2 and tested them for a wide 2840 02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:41,119 range of chemicals. soil to be imported 2841 02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,360 was also tested to ensure it can be used 2842 02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:45,760 on the new site. This data was then used 2843 02:09:43,360 --> 02:09:47,840 to prepare detailed remedial remedial 2844 02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:49,040 action plans and that those were the 2845 02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:51,360 ones that were approved by the 2846 02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:54,000 regulatory agencies. So the goal of this 2847 02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:55,840 phase, this uh preconstruction phase is 2848 02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:57,840 is pretty straightforward. It's is to 2849 02:09:55,840 --> 02:10:00,400 develop a clear understanding of those 2850 02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:02,480 potential risks at the site. Um the 2851 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:05,440 proposed remediation action to address 2852 02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:06,719 those risks and the measures uh that uh 2853 02:10:05,440 --> 02:10:08,800 are going to be implemented during 2854 02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:10,719 construction to mitigate potential risk 2855 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:13,960 to human health and the environment. 2856 02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:13,960 Next slide. 2857 02:10:14,480 --> 02:10:19,599 Phase two. So once construction starts, 2858 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:21,520 the oversight activity actually kicks it 2859 02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:22,800 up a little bit. Air monitoring will be 2860 02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,880 conducted by an independent 2861 02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:26,719 environmental professional. There are 2862 02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,480 going to be engineers required to be on 2863 02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:29,920 site to check soil placement, 2864 02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:31,840 compaction, and installation of 2865 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,679 protective systems like those clean 2866 02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:36,239 corridors for utilities or the clean 2867 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:38,639 soil caps. If any soil needs to be 2868 02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:40,800 removed, it can only go to a permitted 2869 02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:43,199 facility and only after sampling 2870 02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:45,520 confirms the disposal requirements. 2871 02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:47,520 Monthly reports are required to be sent 2872 02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,280 to the state regulatory agencies and 2873 02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:51,920 this is meant to keep everything well 2874 02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:53,679 documented and transparent. Also, prior 2875 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:55,599 to construction of a building, soil 2876 02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:57,280 vapor investigations will be conducted 2877 02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:59,040 twice to evaluate whether the 2878 02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:01,440 installation and operation of a 2879 02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:03,920 mitigation system is required. Next 2880 02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:06,079 slide. 2881 02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:08,079 So, after remediation activities are 2882 02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:09,440 complete, oversight does not stop and 2883 02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:11,520 some of the longest running protections 2884 02:11:09,440 --> 02:11:13,760 happens during this phase. The clean 2885 02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:16,239 soil caps will be inspected every year 2886 02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:18,560 after major storms or earthquakes. In 2887 02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:21,040 the OSM area, groundwater sampling 2888 02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:23,280 continues semianually. And finally, 2889 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:25,360 every year, uh, excuse me, every 5 2890 02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:27,119 years, a full complete review of all the 2891 02:11:25,360 --> 02:11:29,040 systems, caps, vapor barriers, 2892 02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:30,480 monitoring wells is required to confirm 2893 02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:32,159 they still meet current safety 2894 02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,520 standards. So, it's important to note 2895 02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:35,360 that the cleanup doesn't end when 2896 02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:36,639 construction does. Even after the 2897 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:38,639 initial cleanup and construction 2898 02:11:36,639 --> 02:11:40,719 monitoring, state regulatory agencies 2899 02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:42,960 require ongoing monitoring to ensure all 2900 02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:45,199 protective systems continue to function 2901 02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:46,960 as intended. And if the site is ever 2902 02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:49,040 redeveloped or new construction is 2903 02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:51,199 proposed, the sight specific conditions 2904 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:52,480 must be reassessed and the appropriate 2905 02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:57,040 oversight prescribed by the state 2906 02:11:52,480 --> 02:11:59,599 agencies begins again. Next slide. 2907 02:11:57,040 --> 02:12:01,119 So for the landfill uh remediation 2908 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:03,360 follows kind of the same three 2909 02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:05,280 three-phase oversight of of those 2910 02:12:03,360 --> 02:12:06,480 operable units kind of pre 2911 02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,159 pre-construction, during construction 2912 02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:09,520 and post construction. Uh so right now 2913 02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:11,840 it's currently in the pre-construction 2914 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:13,520 phase, you know, per our slides with 2915 02:12:11,840 --> 02:12:15,360 some remediation plans already reviewed 2916 02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:17,040 by the regulatory agencies, though 2917 02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:19,040 additional and detailed documentation 2918 02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:21,440 and approvals are still required before 2919 02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:22,800 any construction can begin. During 2920 02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:24,480 construction, the project will be 2921 02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:26,960 required to install the title 27 2922 02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:28,239 landfill uh cap, gas and leech 2923 02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:30,079 collection systems, storm water 2924 02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:32,079 controls, and groundwater monitoring. 2925 02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:34,159 And any any buildings constructed on the 2926 02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:36,320 landfill will include added protections 2927 02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:39,360 such as vapor barriers, venting systems, 2928 02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:41,840 and hazard alarms. Um 2929 02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:43,760 uh I do want to u note a a correction to 2930 02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:47,360 the staff report which indicated the the 2931 02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:49,679 landfill closure plan u gave a a 10-year 2932 02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:51,280 window for once approved then the 2933 02:12:49,679 --> 02:12:54,480 landfill will be closed. The the 2934 02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:56,639 correction is um that the timing of the 2935 02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:59,679 clock so to speak begins when the the 2936 02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:02,159 existing stockpile soil is moved off the 2937 02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:04,239 site because you cannot remediate the 2938 02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:06,400 soil below until that top soil is 2939 02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:08,880 removed. So the the landfill closure is 2940 02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:12,159 10 years after all the soil is moved off 2941 02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:14,239 the top of the the landfill. 2942 02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:15,360 So in in closing, approved remediation 2943 02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:17,040 documents for the bailands will 2944 02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:18,800 establish a long-term framework designed 2945 02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:22,239 to ensure the site remains safe for the 2946 02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:24,400 community. And next slide. 2947 02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:27,840 All right. So we're going to give you a 2948 02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:29,040 a little uh direction on what staff is 2949 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:31,520 looking for from the council. We can go 2950 02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:32,960 to the next slide. So before you begin 2951 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,880 your discussion, this slide lists the 2952 02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:37,280 items staff would like the council's 2953 02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:38,719 direction on tonight and the items uh in 2954 02:13:37,280 --> 02:13:39,760 the develop that in the development 2955 02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:41,840 agreement that will need to be 2956 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:44,480 addressed. So first we have the measure 2957 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:46,159 JJ remediation topics. So in short, the 2958 02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:48,079 specific plan together with the approved 2959 02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:49,840 remediation and landfill closure plans 2960 02:13:48,079 --> 02:13:52,079 addresses the required regulatory 2961 02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,920 approvals. The ground level safety and 2962 02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:55,920 testing of landfill soil before it is 2963 02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:57,360 moved with regulatory agency 2964 02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:59,840 confirmation required before the city 2965 02:13:57,360 --> 02:14:01,840 issues permits. remediation and required 2966 02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:05,840 infrastructure costs are the developer's 2967 02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:07,679 responsibility. Um so second measure JJ 2968 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:10,000 also requires a schedule for cleanup and 2969 02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:11,840 landfall closure. Uh city tools to 2970 02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:14,719 enforce that schedule and long-term 2971 02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:17,440 performance asurances such as monitoring 2972 02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:18,800 bonds or insurance. Uh measure JJ looks 2973 02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:20,320 to the development agreement for these 2974 02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:21,840 and the council will consider them when 2975 02:14:20,320 --> 02:14:24,000 the development agreement comes forward 2976 02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:25,199 at a future hearing. Finally, the 2977 02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,199 planning commission recommended 2978 02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:30,000 recurring concurrent submittal and 2979 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:32,079 public posting of all DTSC and uh 2980 02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:34,000 waterboard reports, pausing or 2981 02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:36,000 withholding permits when reporting is 2982 02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:37,840 not current, and enforcing post 2983 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:40,320 occupancy reporting through existing 2984 02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:41,360 city enforcement tools. Staff supports 2985 02:14:40,320 --> 02:14:43,520 the planning commission's 2986 02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:45,360 recommendations. This concludes staff's 2987 02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:47,599 presentation. 2988 02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:49,679 » Thank you very much. Very thorough. I 2989 02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:52,480 really appreciate that. So, I'm going to 2990 02:14:49,679 --> 02:14:55,119 shake things up a little bit. I have a 2991 02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:57,119 couple slips here for the first topic 2992 02:14:55,119 --> 02:14:59,840 which is remediation framework and 2993 02:14:57,119 --> 02:15:02,719 responsible agencies. And since we seem 2994 02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:05,040 to have members of the public that maybe 2995 02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:08,079 you need to get home early, you have an 2996 02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:10,320 early day in the morning. So I'm going 2997 02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:15,040 to go through these these public 2998 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:16,480 questions first. Um Paula Menace, 2999 02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:18,239 » Madame Mayor, don't you don't want the 3000 02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:20,320 applicant's presentation? 3001 02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:21,280 » Oh, we have an applicant presentation as 3002 02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:21,920 well. 3003 02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:24,239 Yes. 3004 02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:28,159 » Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware of that. 3005 02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:30,000 Okay, hold on, Paul. 3006 02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:33,000 I'm sorry. I really wasn't aware. Go 3007 02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:33,000 ahead. 3008 02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:38,560 Great. 3009 02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:40,800 Good evening, Mayor Mackin, city council 3010 02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:42,800 members. Once again, I'm Katie Lo Sunday 3011 02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:44,719 with the Bays team, and thank you for 3012 02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:46,719 the opportunity to address you tonight. 3013 02:15:44,719 --> 02:15:49,920 I'm also joined by environmental 3014 02:15:46,719 --> 02:15:52,000 engineers from Geocentech and NGO and as 3015 02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:54,159 well as of course our in-house 3016 02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:58,639 environmental expert Stephanie 3017 02:15:54,159 --> 02:16:01,280 Shakovski. Next slide please. 3018 02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:04,079 Um so in the interest of time I'll try 3019 02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:06,320 and pass some of this that um staff 3020 02:16:04,079 --> 02:16:09,679 already covered. As you're aware, the 3021 02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:13,280 property is divided into three cleanup 3022 02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:15,520 areas. O USM and U2 on the west side and 3023 02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:17,360 the Brisbane landfill on the east. And 3024 02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:19,360 also, as you heard, each area is 3025 02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:20,800 governed by its own cleanup plans under 3026 02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:23,760 the oversight of the appropriate 3027 02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:26,800 regulatory agencies. And as is required 3028 02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:28,880 by measure JJ, the remedial action plans 3029 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:30,719 have been approved for the remediation 3030 02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:33,040 on the former railard side of the 3031 02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:35,599 property. and the title 27 landfill 3032 02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:38,479 closure plan has been removed for or has 3033 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:41,439 been excuse me approved for the landfill 3034 02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:46,960 side of the property. 3035 02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:48,399 If we go to the next slide, please. 3036 02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:49,920 So, as we've talked about before, 3037 02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:52,399 throughout California, former 3038 02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:54,719 contaminated sites have been assessed, 3039 02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:57,280 cleaned up, redeveloped, and turned into 3040 02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:59,599 housing, commercial spaces, parks, and 3041 02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:01,840 community facilities. There's a proven 3042 02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:03,840 path to do this work safely. And it 3043 02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:06,399 generally includes um the following 3044 02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:08,960 steps. A site assessment of the property 3045 02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:11,359 and its history. A site investigation to 3046 02:17:08,960 --> 02:17:13,920 determine whether contamination exists. 3047 02:17:11,359 --> 02:17:16,479 Identify its source. Characterize it and 3048 02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:18,719 evaluate potential risks. An evaluation 3049 02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:21,120 of appropriate cleanup alternatives. 3050 02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:23,840 Development and imple implementation of 3051 02:17:21,120 --> 02:17:26,559 detailed cleanup plans. And finally, 3052 02:17:23,840 --> 02:17:28,559 long-term monitoring, reporting, 3053 02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:31,040 operation, and maintenance of the remedy 3054 02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:32,880 were needed. In the Bay Area, we have 3055 02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:35,519 numerous brownfield projects like 3056 02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:37,760 Mission Bay, Emeryville, and Bay 3057 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,840 Meadows. And each of these sites was 3058 02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:42,160 carefully remediated and developed over 3059 02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:44,160 the course of many years. And here in 3060 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:46,719 Brisbane, the city has already overseen 3061 02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:49,120 a successful landfill to development 3062 02:17:46,719 --> 02:17:50,800 conversion at Sierra Point under the 3063 02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:53,040 same regulatory agencies that will 3064 02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:55,599 oversee the balance cleanup and closure 3065 02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:57,760 activities. And while the balance is at 3066 02:17:55,599 --> 02:18:00,080 larger scale, it will follow the same 3067 02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:02,319 well- tested framework as these safely 3068 02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:05,960 remediated projects. 3069 02:18:02,319 --> 02:18:05,960 Next slide, please. 3070 02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:09,840 As we've previously discussed, the 3071 02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:12,080 Bayand is divided into four main 3072 02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:14,319 districts. There are three districts on 3073 02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:16,719 the former railard side of the property, 3074 02:18:14,319 --> 02:18:19,040 Beayshore, Roundhouse, and the Ice House 3075 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:21,120 Hill District. On the landfill side of 3076 02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:22,960 the property, there's the campus east 3077 02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:25,439 district as well as supportive 3078 02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:27,120 sustainability infrastructure. 3079 02:18:25,439 --> 02:18:29,120 We'll discuss the development phasing 3080 02:18:27,120 --> 02:18:31,359 and associated remediation for each 3081 02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:32,639 district on the following slides, but I 3082 02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:35,359 want to remind you that this is a 3083 02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:36,880 long-term vision. The specific plan 3084 02:18:35,359 --> 02:18:39,120 establishes the framework for the 3085 02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:41,760 balance to develop incrementally, 3086 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:43,599 allowing Brisbane to grow with intention 3087 02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:45,679 while also giving the market time to 3088 02:18:43,599 --> 02:18:47,679 absorb these new housing units and 3089 02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:51,240 commercial spaces. 3090 02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:51,240 Next slide, please. 3091 02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:56,880 So, as you're aware, the specific plan 3092 02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:59,359 divides the Baylands project into two 3093 02:18:56,880 --> 02:19:02,000 major phases. The west side of the CALR 3094 02:18:59,359 --> 02:19:04,080 tracks is phase one and the east side is 3095 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:05,840 phase two. Tonight, we'd like to provide 3096 02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:08,639 more detail about how the development 3097 02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:10,479 could occur within these broader phases. 3098 02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:12,319 So, we'd likely start construction with 3099 02:19:10,479 --> 02:19:14,479 the Beayshore district and then move 3100 02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:16,960 south from there before continuing on to 3101 02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:19,120 the east side of the development. The 3102 02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:20,960 Beayshore district is the most urban 3103 02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:23,519 transit oriented area in the specific 3104 02:19:20,960 --> 02:19:25,599 plan. In addition to the housing and 3105 02:19:23,519 --> 02:19:28,800 commercial uses which you can see in 3106 02:19:25,599 --> 02:19:31,359 teal and in red on that map on the left 3107 02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:33,920 side, this district also includes the 3108 02:19:31,359 --> 02:19:36,960 Sunnydale Park sections of the Baylands 3109 02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:39,920 Park north of Geneva and the Beayshore 3110 02:19:36,960 --> 02:19:42,240 Cal Train Station Plaza. And of course 3111 02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:44,639 before any construction the remediation 3112 02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:47,359 process will begin and that starts with 3113 02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:49,600 h removing impacted soils with highly 3114 02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:51,680 concentrated contamination and hauling 3115 02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:54,319 that material to a permitted off-site 3116 02:19:51,680 --> 02:19:56,399 disposal facility. The site will then be 3117 02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:58,960 covered with approved general fill soil 3118 02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:01,439 to raise the property above the 100year 3119 02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:03,280 flood zone. The soil will be imported 3120 02:20:01,439 --> 02:20:05,280 from the east side of the property where 3121 02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:07,520 stockpiled soil has been tested in 3122 02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:09,280 accordance with measure JJ and that 3123 02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:11,600 testing was done using the brownfield 3124 02:20:09,280 --> 02:20:13,359 grant funds that the city received from 3125 02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:15,200 DTSC. 3126 02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:17,120 At this point in the development only 3127 02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:19,280 the soil needed for this beayhore 3128 02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:21,200 district will be relocated. The 3129 02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:24,160 remaining stockpiled soil will stay in 3130 02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:25,760 place for future phases. 3131 02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:27,840 And as the remediation and construction 3132 02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:29,680 gets underway on the beayshore district, 3133 02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:31,680 we will also begin some work on the 3134 02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:34,640 sustainable infrastructure projects on 3135 02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:37,040 the east side of the property. So like 3136 02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:39,280 the railard side, the landfill closure 3137 02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:41,200 will happen in phases. And to prepare 3138 02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:43,200 for the development of that sustainable 3139 02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:45,439 infrastructure, those portions of the 3140 02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:47,760 property will undergo the title 27 3141 02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:50,720 landfill closure procedures under the 3142 02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:52,160 supervision of the water board. I also 3143 02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:54,479 want to flag that that's one of the 3144 02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:57,760 reasons why we're opposed to setting 3145 02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:59,439 aside 45 acres of developable area for 3146 02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:01,520 the future highspeed rail light 3147 02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:04,000 maintenance facility. Not only is that 3148 02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:06,160 plan inconsistent with measure JJ, but 3149 02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:08,080 those 45 acres are also the ideal 3150 02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:10,399 locations for many of our critical 3151 02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:12,560 sustainable infrastructure projects. And 3152 02:21:10,399 --> 02:21:14,800 that acreage is in a flat area of the 3153 02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:16,880 landfill where there isn't stockpiled 3154 02:21:14,800 --> 02:21:20,160 soil. So if we were able to develop in 3155 02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:23,200 that area, we could uh close portions of 3156 02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:24,960 the landfill sooner. 3157 02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:26,479 So this portion of the development that 3158 02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:28,080 I've explained so far, the beayhore 3159 02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:30,240 district and some of the supportive 3160 02:21:28,080 --> 02:21:32,960 sustainable infrastructure is expected 3161 02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:35,040 to take approximately 10 years and that 3162 02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:36,960 includes remediation, horizontal 3163 02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:41,880 infrastructure, and vertical 3164 02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:41,880 development. Next slide, please. 3165 02:21:42,000 --> 02:21:45,840 After completing the Beayshore district, 3166 02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:48,000 we would then continue south and begin 3167 02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:50,319 work on the roundhouse district. The 3168 02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:52,399 remediation, grading, and infrastructure 3169 02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:54,319 will follow a similar process to what 3170 02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:56,479 was done in the Beayshore district. 3171 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:58,240 Stockpiled soil would again be relocated 3172 02:21:56,479 --> 02:22:00,560 from the east side to support the 3173 02:21:58,240 --> 02:22:01,920 development of this district. In 3174 02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:04,560 addition to the housing and commercial 3175 02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:07,120 uses, which now you can see in orange on 3176 02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:09,200 that map, this district also includes 3177 02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:11,760 the remainder of Balance Park, the 3178 02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:14,160 restored Roundhouse Park, the northern 3179 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:16,560 segment of Ecological Park, and the 3180 02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:18,880 Geneva Avenue extension west of the Cal 3181 02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:20,399 Train tracks. As the roundhouse district 3182 02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:22,319 gets going, we also expect the 3183 02:22:20,399 --> 02:22:24,479 development to begin on the Ice House 3184 02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:28,840 Hill district. So, if we go to the next 3185 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:28,840 slide, I'll talk about that district. 3186 02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:32,720 The last district on the west side of 3187 02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:34,960 the Cal Train tracks is the Ice House 3188 02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:37,120 Hill District and that district includes 3189 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:39,680 mid-rise office and research buildings, 3190 02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:42,319 retail and the southern segment of E 3191 02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:45,280 ecological park. You can see those uh 3192 02:22:42,319 --> 02:22:46,800 buildings in yellow on the map. This is 3193 02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:49,280 also likely when we would complete the 3194 02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:52,160 restoration on Ice House Hill and 3195 02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:54,560 develop the trail connections as well as 3196 02:22:52,160 --> 02:22:56,640 the community fields. Completing the 3197 02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:58,319 roundhouse in ice house sale districts 3198 02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:00,399 would deplete the remaining stockpiled 3199 02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:02,560 soil from the landfill area and leave 3200 02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:05,200 the east side ready for closure and 3201 02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:07,359 development activity. The buildout of 3202 02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:09,359 these last two western segments is 3203 02:23:07,359 --> 02:23:11,520 anticipated to take an additional 10 3204 02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:14,240 years which brings the total timeline 3205 02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:16,080 for the westside development to 20 years 3206 02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:19,840 which is comparable with major projects 3207 02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:23,479 in the region like Bay Meadows. 3208 02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:23,479 Next slide please. 3209 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:27,680 As we move from the west side of the 3210 02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:29,359 development to the east, this is when 3211 02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:31,280 construction will begin on additional 3212 02:23:29,359 --> 02:23:33,840 site infrastructure to support the 3213 02:23:31,280 --> 02:23:36,080 entire bays. This includes the improved 3214 02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:38,240 storm water detention area, the solar 3215 02:23:36,080 --> 02:23:41,120 farm and street improvements for Tunnel 3216 02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:43,040 Avenue and Lagoon Road. The northeast 3217 02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:45,359 portion of the campus east district will 3218 02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:47,280 include lowdensity commercial and office 3219 02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:50,000 development, and those buildings are 3220 02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:51,359 highlighted in pink on the map. Further 3221 02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:53,680 south in this district, there will be 3222 02:23:51,359 --> 02:23:56,319 extensive park area like Visitation 3223 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:57,920 Creek Park, Lagoon Park, and the Bay 3224 02:23:56,319 --> 02:23:59,439 Trail. 3225 02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:01,359 Each area will need closure 3226 02:23:59,439 --> 02:24:03,760 certification before the development 3227 02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:06,240 begins. And as was mentioned by 3228 02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:08,080 Jeremiah, the full landfill closure is 3229 02:24:06,240 --> 02:24:10,399 expected to take 10 years from the time 3230 02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:12,960 that the stockpiled soil is fully 3231 02:24:10,399 --> 02:24:16,160 removed from the landfill. So if 3232 02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:18,080 development begins in approximately 2029 3233 02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:20,640 and the westside development takes 3234 02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:22,479 around 20 years, then we'd expect the 3235 02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:25,280 landfill to be fully closed around the 3236 02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:28,600 year 209. 3237 02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:28,600 Next slide. 3238 02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:34,399 So as I said at the beginning of this 3239 02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:36,960 presentation, the balance is a long-term 3240 02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:38,720 vision. Like many major developments in 3241 02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:40,720 the region, we are not talking about 3242 02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:43,040 months or years. We're talking about 3243 02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:45,200 decades. and we expect the full 3244 02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:47,840 development of the bailins to take 30 3245 02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:49,359 years. That is why the specific plan 3246 02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:51,600 needs to be the right balance of 3247 02:24:49,359 --> 02:24:54,399 detailed and flexible to remain our 3248 02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:56,080 northstar for the years to come. Thank 3249 02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:57,520 you for listening and we're happy to 3250 02:24:56,080 --> 02:25:03,960 take any questions. 3251 02:24:57,520 --> 02:25:03,960 » Okay, thank you. Back again, Paul. 3252 02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:16,080 Good evening, mayor, uh, council 3253 02:25:13,680 --> 02:25:19,040 members. My name is Paul Jimenez. I'm a 3254 02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:21,200 proud Brisbane resident and member of UA 3255 02:25:19,040 --> 02:25:24,700 Local 467 representing plumbers, pipe 3256 02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:26,160 fitters, and HVAC R mechanics 3257 02:25:24,700 --> 02:25:30,319 [clears throat] 3258 02:25:26,160 --> 02:25:32,479 uh, here in uh, Sanonteo County. I'm 3259 02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:35,200 here tonight to express my support in 3260 02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:37,600 moving the moving on the bay uh the 3261 02:25:35,200 --> 02:25:41,200 Brisbane Bayand projects forward, 3262 02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:44,640 particularly in a safe and responsible 3263 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:47,520 remedi uh sorry 3264 02:25:44,640 --> 02:25:50,319 particularly the safe and responsible 3265 02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:52,240 remediation of the site. As someone who 3266 02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:54,160 has lived in this community, I care 3267 02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:56,880 deeply 3268 02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:58,319 about how this work is performed. This 3269 02:25:56,880 --> 02:26:00,560 isn't just another construction project 3270 02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:03,520 to me. It happened. It's happening in my 3271 02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:06,080 backyard and the decisions made today 3272 02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:08,080 will affect the our community for 3273 02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:10,720 generations. 3274 02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:13,439 As a union trades person, I also 3275 02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:16,000 understand the importance of having a 3276 02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:18,880 highly skilled and trained workforce 3277 02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:21,920 performing this work. Our apprenticeship 3278 02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:24,080 programs don't simply teach us how to do 3279 02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:26,800 the job. They teach us to understand the 3280 02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:29,520 hazards, follow established procedures, 3281 02:26:26,800 --> 02:26:32,160 recognize when something isn't right, 3282 02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:36,560 and take responsibility for the safety 3283 02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:37,920 of our co-workers and the public. 3284 02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:40,640 When you're dealing with a site like the 3285 02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:43,600 Baylands 3286 02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:46,720 where environmental uh contamination and 3287 02:26:43,600 --> 02:26:48,560 remediation are serious concerns, those 3288 02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:50,960 principles become even more important 3289 02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:52,800 knowing that properly trained and 3290 02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:56,760 qualified professionals will be 3291 02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:56,760 entrusted with the work. 3292 02:26:56,880 --> 02:27:01,359 Uh knowing that [laughter] 3293 02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:03,280 knowing that trained and qualified 3294 02:27:01,359 --> 02:27:06,240 professionals will be entrusted with the 3295 02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:08,319 work gives me peace of mind. Not just as 3296 02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:10,800 a trades person, but as someone who know 3297 02:27:08,319 --> 02:27:12,560 who calls Brisbane home. I support 3298 02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:15,760 moving this project forward and I 3299 02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:18,160 believe that doing so with utmost care, 3300 02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:20,479 transparency, and commitment to safety 3301 02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:22,800 is essential. Thank you for your time 3302 02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:26,200 and consideration. 3303 02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:26,200 Then the salmon. 3304 02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:38,240 I'm a little bit sleepy here. 3305 02:27:37,667 --> 02:27:40,479 » [laughter] 3306 02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:43,280 » Um 3307 02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:46,479 I think it's been over 30 years that 3308 02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:52,240 TUNTEX Sunquest the owner has had this 3309 02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:55,280 property and was given um fantastic FS 3310 02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:59,200 floor area ratios to build things here 3311 02:27:55,280 --> 02:28:01,760 and has not done so so far. I suspect 3312 02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:04,000 that all this stuff about well it has to 3313 02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:06,479 be remediated before it can be done blah 3314 02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:08,960 blah blah. It's just we're going on and 3315 02:28:06,479 --> 02:28:10,800 on. I don't think that this particular 3316 02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:12,800 owner is planning to build or do 3317 02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:14,640 anything. They could have done it a long 3318 02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:18,560 time ago. 3319 02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:21,040 So, I have a lot of issues about what's 3320 02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:23,840 really going to go on. I was really 3321 02:28:21,040 --> 02:28:28,160 dismayed when um we were at the meeting 3322 02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:32,960 with the uh the KAG group that the clay 3323 02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:34,800 cap clean clay caps soil is coming from 3324 02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:37,600 the toxic 3325 02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:39,359 landfill. [laughter] I [clears throat] I 3326 02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:42,960 really have trouble considering that to 3327 02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:45,520 be clean. There's a lot of issues that 3328 02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:47,280 have not been dealt with. Uh and I don't 3329 02:28:45,520 --> 02:28:48,880 think they're going to be dealt with. It 3330 02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:53,040 looks like is we're going to be on and 3331 02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:56,319 on again. I ask once more once more that 3332 02:28:53,040 --> 02:29:00,240 any permits, anything that's agreed to 3333 02:28:56,319 --> 02:29:03,680 is only for this owner, for this land 3334 02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:06,880 owner. If the property is sold, 3335 02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:09,280 they can start over. I mean it because 3336 02:29:06,880 --> 02:29:12,880 we have already experienced what has 3337 02:29:09,280 --> 02:29:14,960 happened when that happens. It's not a 3338 02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:16,960 good thing and people throw everything 3339 02:29:14,960 --> 02:29:19,200 out the window about what was supposed 3340 02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:22,720 to be done. 3341 02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:26,080 This is not a safe project I think for 3342 02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:28,080 anyone. Wetlands are very important. 3343 02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:29,760 Nobody has talked to the people in 3344 02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:33,280 Beayshore about what's going to be 3345 02:29:29,760 --> 02:29:38,000 happening to their lives and their kids 3346 02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:40,809 and what's going on with them. I mean 3347 02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:42,800 somehow another we are we are neighbors 3348 02:29:40,809 --> 02:29:44,960 [laughter] and I think we have to deal 3349 02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:47,040 with that. I mean I haven't seen really 3350 02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:48,880 anybody I mean two people I think from 3351 02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:51,439 Beayshore say oh yeah yeah do something 3352 02:29:48,880 --> 02:29:53,280 do something. Well do something. Let's 3353 02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:57,600 do something. If we're going to do 3354 02:29:53,280 --> 02:30:01,040 anything let's do it right. So far, 3355 02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:04,720 supposedly nothing can be done until the 3356 02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:08,680 soil is remediated, is cleaned up. That 3357 02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:08,680 has not even begun. 3358 02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:16,439 It's not going to happen. 3359 02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:16,439 » Michelle Sammon. 3360 02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:22,160 Michelle Sam, Brisbane resident. As you 3361 02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:25,680 know, I've mentioned this several times. 3362 02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:29,439 My big concern is data gaps in terms of 3363 02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:33,439 testing the soils uh in particular along 3364 02:30:29,439 --> 02:30:35,760 Bayshore and along uh where Lazari Fuel 3365 02:30:33,439 --> 02:30:37,680 is and and those areas. I don't feel 3366 02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:40,000 that they've been tested yet. Certainly 3367 02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:42,160 Lazar Lazari Fuel because there was a 3368 02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:45,359 building there. Um, but one of the other 3369 02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:46,960 things that's been concerning me lately, 3370 02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:49,760 you know, we have an invasive species 3371 02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:52,640 ordinance and on that list is jabata 3372 02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:55,280 grass, also known as pompus grass. And 3373 02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:58,560 over the years, the bay lands, including 3374 02:30:55,280 --> 02:31:02,000 the stockpiled soil, is completely 3375 02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:05,840 contaminated with jabatrass. 3376 02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:07,680 Um, and the seeds of jabatrass. 3377 02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:09,920 And it's just like this big thing that's 3378 02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:12,160 spreading and spreading and spreading. 3379 02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:14,319 The whole stockpile is is covered with 3380 02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:16,560 it. The bay lands is all covered with 3381 02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:18,960 it. And it sends seeds out across the 3382 02:31:16,560 --> 02:31:21,920 bay on the wind and everything else. And 3383 02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:24,560 this is a huge threat to our 3384 02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:26,560 environment, our native environment. And 3385 02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:28,479 it's listed on not only in Brisbane's 3386 02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:31,359 invasive species ordinance, but it is 3387 02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:34,080 listed as an invasive species for the 3388 02:31:31,359 --> 02:31:36,479 state of California. And we haven't even 3389 02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:40,000 talked about that. I mentioned it in in 3390 02:31:36,479 --> 02:31:41,920 my comments on the draft, but nowhere 3391 02:31:40,000 --> 02:31:43,600 have we been addressing that. So, you're 3392 02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:45,439 going to take this dirt and you're going 3393 02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:47,439 to move it around. And as you move it 3394 02:31:45,439 --> 02:31:49,760 around, all the seeds are going to be 3395 02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:51,600 blowing everywhere. And then you're 3396 02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:53,280 going to put it in the new area and it's 3397 02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:56,000 going to sprout and it's really hard to 3398 02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:58,000 get rid of. And I'm concerned about it. 3399 02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:58,880 So, I'd like that to be addressed. Thank 3400 02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:04,520 you so much. 3401 02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:04,520 » Okay. Thank you, Ignasio David. 3402 02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:12,720 Good evening, Mayor Macken and council 3403 02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:14,080 members. My name is Ignasio Dit. I'm 3404 02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:17,680 with the Center for Creative Land 3405 02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:21,359 Recycling or Seclar and we are we're a 3406 02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:23,520 nonprofit uh since 1997 and we help 3407 02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:25,359 communities reuse contaminated lands and 3408 02:32:23,520 --> 02:32:26,880 underused properties known as 3409 02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:29,520 brownfields. 3410 02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:31,359 We provided technical assistance uh we 3411 02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:33,840 provide technical assistance around 3412 02:32:31,359 --> 02:32:36,720 California and the west coast and we 3413 02:32:33,840 --> 02:32:38,960 helped the city secure the $3 million 3414 02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:42,319 grant that helped with the sampling that 3415 02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:45,040 took uh that took place uh over the past 3416 02:32:42,319 --> 02:32:46,960 few years. Uh my point tonight is 3417 02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:50,000 simple. uh the approach the general 3418 02:32:46,960 --> 02:32:53,439 approach in the ARDIP is very typical of 3419 02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:56,080 what you've seen in a lot of uh cleanups 3420 02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:59,760 around the uh the Bay Area and the 3421 02:32:56,080 --> 02:33:01,680 country. Uh and that's how complex sites 3422 02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:03,600 are developed. Of course, this is a big 3423 02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:06,080 site. So that's really your challenge is 3424 02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:09,840 that it's a large site, but you're doing 3425 02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:12,640 it over 20 30 years. It sounds like now 3426 02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:14,319 before I was uh with Seclair I was at 3427 02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:18,560 Emeryville 3428 02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:20,880 and some of the projects that were uh uh 3429 02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:22,479 uh current projects are being developed 3430 02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:24,560 now were modeled after what happened in 3431 02:33:22,479 --> 02:33:28,080 Emeryville and we actually used the 3432 02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:29,840 consultants that you have hired now as 3433 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:33,359 well as we've also worked with 3434 02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:36,720 professionals who are also with uh the 3435 02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:38,479 developers uh consulting team. So we are 3436 02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:42,160 very familiar but these are very 3437 02:33:38,479 --> 02:33:45,680 upstanding and very good uh e experts. 3438 02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:47,760 So uh we of course with review but we 3439 02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:49,680 take their uh recommendations very 3440 02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:52,560 seriously. 3441 02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:54,399 Uh over time at DTSC with DTSC in the 3442 02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:56,640 waterboard and the county of Alama we 3443 02:33:54,399 --> 02:33:59,280 cleaned up redeveloped about 50 sites 3444 02:33:56,640 --> 02:34:01,439 covering about 300 acres. Of course 3445 02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:04,160 that's over 3446 02:34:01,439 --> 02:34:06,960 20 30 years. So it's you're talking 3447 02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:09,120 about similar uh time scales. Uh one 3448 02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:12,399 example which was not shown is called 3449 02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:15,439 the Emory. It's an 10 acre Sherwin 3450 02:34:12,399 --> 02:34:19,920 Williams property which used to be used 3451 02:34:15,439 --> 02:34:23,040 to manufacture pesticides and uh paints 3452 02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:25,439 and uh it's now 500 homes light 3453 02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:28,720 industrial and office space and there's 3454 02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:31,439 a park connecting to the Bay Trail. So 3455 02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:32,880 this is what uh redevelopment looks like 3456 02:34:31,439 --> 02:34:34,960 over time. 3457 02:34:32,880 --> 02:34:37,520 It has many institutional controls and 3458 02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:40,080 deed restrictions and operations and 3459 02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:43,920 maintenance plans and those tools are 3460 02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:46,240 what are meant to protect workers and uh 3461 02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:49,120 residents into the future. There's 3462 02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:52,720 ongoing monitoring as very similar to uh 3463 02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:55,520 measures described by the sta by staff. 3464 02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:58,640 Now managing dozens of small scattered 3465 02:34:55,520 --> 02:35:01,359 sites in Emeryville was challenging. Bay 3466 02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:05,040 lands is much larger but you have 3467 02:35:01,359 --> 02:35:07,920 basically three operating units. So it's 3468 02:35:05,040 --> 02:35:09,600 just big but technically talking about 3469 02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:12,319 the contamination 3470 02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:14,319 it's uh it's not out of the ordinary. 3471 02:35:12,319 --> 02:35:16,399 It's the the examples shown by the 3472 02:35:14,319 --> 02:35:18,640 developer are very similar to the 3473 02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:20,479 developments that are proposed in the 3474 02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:23,040 bailance. 3475 02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:25,120 And so the RDIP I understand that there 3476 02:35:23,040 --> 02:35:27,760 been comments it's in draft form but 3477 02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:31,120 it's being worked out and I I uh 3478 02:35:27,760 --> 02:35:34,160 understand that there are uh constraints 3479 02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:36,720 uh with uh with uh the infrastructure 3480 02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:38,240 but that's what this process is and it's 3481 02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:41,760 going to be worked out over the long 3482 02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:45,040 term and by the time you review it the 3483 02:35:41,760 --> 02:35:47,760 DTSC and the developers uh and their 3484 02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:50,640 consultants it should be uh I don't see 3485 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:54,160 any reason that can be ironed Not uh 3486 02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:57,120 these measures are uh indicative of very 3487 02:35:54,160 --> 02:35:58,560 many successful sites and uh they appear 3488 02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:01,040 to be protective of the public health 3489 02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:02,960 and the environment. I understand that 3490 02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:06,399 the residents are concerned about dust 3491 02:36:02,960 --> 02:36:09,359 and air quality and again uh the uh the 3492 02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:12,319 the impact on infrastructure but strong 3493 02:36:09,359 --> 02:36:16,000 transparent monitoring agency oversight 3494 02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:18,800 your vigilance in uh seeing this uh 3495 02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:22,000 redevelopment uh the uh the RDIP as well 3496 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:25,280 as the implementation plans is key to 3497 02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:27,280 that. So uh see clear is glad to provide 3498 02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:30,399 additional assistance and feedback. we 3499 02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:33,040 come here know as technical advisors 3500 02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:34,960 we're not paid or we have an EPA grant 3501 02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:37,040 that allows us to give this type of 3502 02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:39,680 feedback. Thank you so much. 3503 02:36:37,040 --> 02:36:41,760 » Thank you. 3504 02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:43,040 » Have a slip from I can't read the last 3505 02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:44,720 name. Janet 3506 02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:47,720 » Nito. 3507 02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:47,720 Okay. 3508 02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:56,160 » Good evening madame mayor and city 3509 02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:58,880 council members. My name is Janet Nito 3510 02:36:56,160 --> 02:37:01,760 and I am also um with the Center for 3511 02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:03,439 Creative Land Recycling. Um Agnosio 3512 02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:05,680 explained who we were so I won't go into 3513 02:37:03,439 --> 02:37:07,600 that. Um, I just wanted to say that 3514 02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:09,840 prior to working for the Center for 3515 02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:11,680 Creative Land Recycling, I worked for 3516 02:37:09,840 --> 02:37:13,840 the Department of Toxic Substances 3517 02:37:11,680 --> 02:37:17,760 Control, I managed the Berkeley Cleanup 3518 02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:21,280 Program and um, sorry, Slagelock and 3519 02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:23,840 Brisbane's um, projects were under 3520 02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:28,960 the DTSC portions of those projects were 3521 02:37:23,840 --> 02:37:31,920 under um, my branch. Um, 3522 02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:35,040 I just wanted to let you know that the 3523 02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:37,920 cleanup process that we have um and the 3524 02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:40,880 cleanup plans for the bay lands are are 3525 02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:42,880 not charting new territory. This is 3526 02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:46,399 something we do for every single 3527 02:37:42,880 --> 02:37:49,680 project. We develop we investigate we 3528 02:37:46,399 --> 02:37:53,200 develop a cleanup plan. we set out um if 3529 02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:55,680 they require operate um future 3530 02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:59,520 operations and maintenance or monitoring 3531 02:37:55,680 --> 02:38:02,800 that is part of the cleanup. Um 3532 02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:05,920 and we also include as part of the 3533 02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:07,920 cleanup plan um different ways of making 3534 02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:11,200 sure that the community is safe during 3535 02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:14,080 its implementation. Um Agnosio mentioned 3536 02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:16,240 Sherwin Williams. That was my project 3537 02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:18,960 when I was a project manager before I 3538 02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:20,880 became the branch chief. Um we were able 3539 02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:22,560 to successfully 3540 02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:26,960 um 3541 02:38:22,560 --> 02:38:28,720 address dust um community concerns um 3542 02:38:26,960 --> 02:38:32,160 during the implementation of that 3543 02:38:28,720 --> 02:38:33,920 cleanup which was in the middle of a 3544 02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:36,960 residential neighborhood by the time we 3545 02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:38,560 did the cleanup. They developed all the 3546 02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:40,960 properties around us while we were 3547 02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:42,720 investigating and developing our cleanup 3548 02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:46,160 plan. though we had much more interest 3549 02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:49,200 in it by the time we went to cleanup. Um 3550 02:38:46,160 --> 02:38:51,200 the regulatory approves are proven, the 3551 02:38:49,200 --> 02:38:54,640 regulatory tools are proven, the 3552 02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:58,399 approach is well established and I also 3553 02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:00,960 worked on Mission Bay, um which Katie 3554 02:38:58,399 --> 02:39:04,319 talked about earlier. Um Mission Bay has 3555 02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:08,160 been developed over 25 years. It started 3556 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:11,359 out with a riskmanagement plan and every 3557 02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:14,720 parcel that's developed uses uses that 3558 02:39:11,359 --> 02:39:17,520 as a framework. Individual site cleanup 3559 02:39:14,720 --> 02:39:21,040 plans are developed and but the risk 3560 02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:23,680 management plan outlines the 3561 02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:27,280 measures that must be taken to protect 3562 02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:29,840 um to safely clean up or manage the soil 3563 02:39:27,280 --> 02:39:32,240 at those sites. the most of the 3564 02:39:29,840 --> 02:39:34,479 contamination in Mission Bay results 3565 02:39:32,240 --> 02:39:37,439 from or a lot of the contamination 3566 02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:40,319 results from the old 1906 earthquake 3567 02:39:37,439 --> 02:39:43,040 debris. Um they everything that was 3568 02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:45,520 demolished got pushed out and so you 3569 02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:48,160 will find a nice earthquake debris layer 3570 02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:51,600 and so that's what where we were mostly 3571 02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:54,880 addressing. Um 3572 02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:58,319 so um in conclusion the phased cleanup 3573 02:39:54,880 --> 02:40:00,560 process is common in major developments 3574 02:39:58,319 --> 02:40:02,960 and due to the size of properties and 3575 02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:05,520 the complex environmental conditions in 3576 02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:08,399 these scenarios each development phase 3577 02:40:05,520 --> 02:40:11,200 satisfies the applicable investigation 3578 02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:13,920 remediation and um risk management 3579 02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:16,000 requirements including the like I said 3580 02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:18,399 before the community air monitoring and 3581 02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:21,200 dust monitoring um requirements before 3582 02:40:18,399 --> 02:40:25,280 the pro um proposed use can proceed 3583 02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:28,640 safely. So the we want to urge the city 3584 02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:31,040 council um 3585 02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:33,840 to move this project forward through the 3586 02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:36,479 established regulatory process that has 3587 02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:39,840 successfully guided similar projects 3588 02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:42,560 throughout California. Thank you. City 3589 02:40:39,840 --> 02:40:45,040 clerk, do we have anyone online or is 3590 02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:48,280 that what you're bringing me? Okay, 3591 02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:48,280 thank you. 3592 02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:52,040 Ally Saberman. 3593 02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,200 Good evening. My name is Ally Saberman 3594 02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:01,840 and I'm speaking on behalf of the 3595 02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:03,439 Housing Action Coalition. Brownfield 3596 02:41:01,840 --> 02:41:05,200 Development is a critical strategy for 3597 02:41:03,439 --> 02:41:07,280 reducing greenhouse gas emissions and 3598 02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:08,880 preventing urban sprawl. There are 3599 02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:12,080 wellestablished procedures that make 3600 02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:13,840 these projects safe, effective, and 3601 02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:16,240 beneficial for communities throughout 3602 02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:18,000 the state and the country. 3603 02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:19,840 Former industrial properties, rail 3604 02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:21,520 yards, landfills, and other contaminated 3605 02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:23,840 sites have been safely cleaned up and 3606 02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:26,240 transformed into housing, offices, 3607 02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:28,160 parks, and other public amenities. These 3608 02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:30,080 projects follow a rigorous regulated 3609 02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:32,240 process designed to protect human health 3610 02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:34,000 and the environment. Mission Bay is a 3611 02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:36,240 great example of how this has been done 3612 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:37,760 successfully here in the Bay Area. The 3613 02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:40,479 neighborhood was historically part of 3614 02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:43,200 the Bay and later filled for wars and 3615 02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:45,120 rail yards. Today it is a successful 3616 02:41:43,200 --> 02:41:47,520 master planned neighborhood with 3617 02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:49,439 thousands of homes, major health care, 3618 02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:51,040 research institutions, businesses, 3619 02:41:49,439 --> 02:41:52,479 parks, and waterfront open space. The 3620 02:41:51,040 --> 02:41:54,560 bay lands will be subject to the same 3621 02:41:52,479 --> 02:41:56,479 established regulatory process that has 3622 02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:57,680 successfully guided Mission Bay and 3623 02:41:56,479 --> 02:42:01,200 other similar projects throughout 3624 02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:04,960 California. Thank you. 3625 02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:09,560 » Okay, we have Aaron 3626 02:42:04,960 --> 02:42:09,560 online. Aaron, go ahead. 3627 02:42:12,399 --> 02:42:17,600 Uh hello uh madame mayor, council 3628 02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:20,479 members, I appreciate the opportunity to 3629 02:42:17,600 --> 02:42:22,560 comment at an hour that is uh reasonable 3630 02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:24,479 for working on an east coast schedule. 3631 02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:27,040 So thanks for taking public comments 3632 02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:30,800 early. Um I'm Aaron Becker, a Brisbane 3633 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:32,960 resident. I have um been reviewing 3634 02:42:30,800 --> 02:42:35,359 documents for the Baylands for you know 3635 02:42:32,960 --> 02:42:38,479 the last couple years through my work on 3636 02:42:35,359 --> 02:42:40,479 OSAC. uh did a very thorough job doing 3637 02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:43,760 the DEIR 3638 02:42:40,479 --> 02:42:45,680 um and then the FIR and um some of the 3639 02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:48,240 specific plans and getting all of those 3640 02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:49,760 comments into the to the people 3641 02:42:48,240 --> 02:42:52,800 preparing the documents and then to the 3642 02:42:49,760 --> 02:42:56,000 planning commission and I feel like my 3643 02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:57,920 comments are falling on deaf ears. Um I 3644 02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:59,760 want the you guys in the audience to 3645 02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:03,200 really understand that the landfill cap 3646 02:42:59,760 --> 02:43:04,800 is not impermeable. gases and fluids are 3647 02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:10,960 going to be able to percolate through 3648 02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:15,040 that cap and the um this is a big deal 3649 02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:17,760 because um there's the potential for 3650 02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:20,240 those toxins to travel up you know from 3651 02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:23,359 below especially in the case of sea 3652 02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:26,000 level rise and anytime uh we have 3653 02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:27,760 vegetation transfer or you know put its 3654 02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:29,600 roots through that cap it's going to 3655 02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:30,880 make it even worse and so every time I 3656 02:43:29,600 --> 02:43:31,840 look at those pictures with all the 3657 02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:34,560 trees 3658 02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:36,800 It makes me a little nervous. Um, I know 3659 02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:39,439 you guys are tracking the local, you 3660 02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:42,240 know, legends about an unrecorded 3661 02:43:39,439 --> 02:43:44,479 shipment of dirt from Hunter Point, um, 3662 02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:46,960 that might be radioactive and also 3663 02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:49,279 mercury and the medical waste. Um, we 3664 02:43:46,960 --> 02:43:52,000 all know that in the past there were, 3665 02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:55,200 you know, sloppy records and backroom 3666 02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:57,600 deals and potential for fraud and those 3667 02:43:55,200 --> 02:44:00,240 rumors are not going to die. But we have 3668 02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:02,640 the opportunity to do testing on the 3669 02:44:00,240 --> 02:44:05,680 hall trucks or on the conveyor belts. 3670 02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:07,760 Radiation domters, you know, just 3671 02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:10,399 operate in the background and they'll 3672 02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:12,640 ping when something happens. It's not an 3673 02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:15,439 unknown technology. Uh I would like to 3674 02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:18,000 advocate that the city consider it as 3675 02:44:15,439 --> 02:44:20,800 part of this plan. Um we are very close 3676 02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:22,560 to Hunter's Point and that dust is a 3677 02:44:20,800 --> 02:44:25,680 concern. 3678 02:44:22,560 --> 02:44:28,640 Um, second, the landfill cover 3679 02:44:25,680 --> 02:44:31,359 maintenance plan is technically outside 3680 02:44:28,640 --> 02:44:34,479 of the city's control, but we can do 3681 02:44:31,359 --> 02:44:37,040 stuff to ensure that it is followed and 3682 02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:38,880 that it's strong and anywhere that it 3683 02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:43,279 doesn't meet the mustard, we can do 3684 02:44:38,880 --> 02:44:46,399 better. So, um, in the FIR, I have major 3685 02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:48,960 concerns. The landfill um cover 3686 02:44:46,399 --> 02:44:51,040 maintenance plan covers 3687 02:44:48,960 --> 02:44:54,240 um periodically looking for leaks and 3688 02:44:51,040 --> 02:44:56,319 other problems. Um it covers the 3689 02:44:54,240 --> 02:44:59,120 inspection for vegetation that might 3690 02:44:56,319 --> 02:45:01,040 might violate the root depth limit. Um 3691 02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:04,080 and then it looks at the lee collection 3692 02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:06,560 system. The problem is the FIR states 3693 02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:09,600 that the maintenance must continue a 3694 02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:11,840 minimum of 30 years, but it's expected 3695 02:45:09,600 --> 02:45:14,479 for only one year because the landfill 3696 02:45:11,840 --> 02:45:16,000 closed in 1967. 3697 02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:17,840 So, for one year, they're going to be 3698 02:45:16,000 --> 02:45:20,479 following their maintenance plan. That 3699 02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:22,479 doesn't seem appropriate. Um, we really 3700 02:45:20,479 --> 02:45:24,399 need to make sure that that is not the 3701 02:45:22,479 --> 02:45:27,680 case and that the maintenance is going 3702 02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:29,920 to happen for the safety of all of this 3703 02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:32,319 future residents. 3704 02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:33,920 Um, and I think that's all I have to 3705 02:45:32,319 --> 02:45:36,240 say. Oh, no. Actually, I really 3706 02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:39,520 appreciate the comment from Ignatio, uh, 3707 02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:42,319 from Seclar. He said, "This can be done, 3708 02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:44,160 but we need strong, transparent 3709 02:45:42,319 --> 02:45:45,840 monitoring, and I think that's what we 3710 02:45:44,160 --> 02:45:48,160 that's what the citizens of Brisbane 3711 02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:53,600 need." Thank you. 3712 02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:53,600 » All right, that is all the slips I have. 3713 02:45:56,800 --> 02:46:01,680 Uh, we we also have another hands raised 3714 02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:02,640 online. Chris F. 3715 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:05,040 » Go ahead. 3716 02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:08,720 » Paul, you're not on topic number one. 3717 02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:11,279 Here's your slip. It's not circled. 3718 02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:14,520 » No, you're on land number four and 3719 02:46:11,279 --> 02:46:14,520 number five. 3720 02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:20,479 Chris online. 3721 02:46:17,920 --> 02:46:23,920 » Thank you. I just wanted to remind those 3722 02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:28,160 who um participated in the BB KAG 3723 02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:30,960 meeting on October 5th that uh when you 3724 02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:33,279 once again consider our adjacent the 3725 02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:36,479 adjacent property in San Francisco, it 3726 02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:39,040 was acknowledged at that meeting that 3727 02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:42,160 some of the contamination in the San 3728 02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:45,200 Francisco portion the Schlag site 3729 02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:48,160 is still migrating into the Brisbane 3730 02:46:45,200 --> 02:46:50,560 property. 3731 02:46:48,160 --> 02:46:53,439 I that strikes me as something that we 3732 02:46:50,560 --> 02:46:54,640 need to be uh taking some caution with. 3733 02:46:53,439 --> 02:46:57,120 They've been working on that for how 3734 02:46:54,640 --> 02:47:00,560 many years? Again, that development 3735 02:46:57,120 --> 02:47:03,120 agreement was approved in 2015 3736 02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:07,279 and we still have contamination 3737 02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:09,120 migrating into the Brisbane property. 3738 02:47:07,279 --> 02:47:11,279 Thank you, 3739 02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:15,479 » Paul. Did you want to come up and speak 3740 02:47:11,279 --> 02:47:15,479 under this? I thought I 3741 02:47:15,840 --> 02:47:22,479 » Uh Thank you, Madame Mayor and Council. 3742 02:47:17,920 --> 02:47:25,760 Um so I had a few thoughts. Um about 10 3743 02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:29,520 years ago, um before we started working 3744 02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:34,080 on the DEIR for the Bayands, 3745 02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:39,200 um I asked the question about 3746 02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:42,560 uh because the Bayands would have been a 3747 02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:44,880 uh super fun site had houses back in the 3748 02:47:42,560 --> 02:47:49,760 day been planned, but it was they 3749 02:47:44,880 --> 02:47:52,240 weren't. So then it became a brownfield. 3750 02:47:49,760 --> 02:47:56,160 So the super fun site stuff is still 3751 02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:59,520 there. Uh unregulated landfill. My 3752 02:47:56,160 --> 02:48:02,960 thought is and I made the comment then 3753 02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:05,760 and it was rejected was that 3754 02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:07,279 for the cleanup that has to be done for 3755 02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:09,120 the material that has to be hauled 3756 02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:11,279 offsite. 3757 02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:14,720 We're responsible for that from the time 3758 02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:17,439 it leaves until where it goes and as 3759 02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:19,520 long as it's there. 3760 02:48:17,439 --> 02:48:22,479 So, my thought was and especially if 3761 02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:25,279 we're going to consider uh 3762 02:48:22,479 --> 02:48:27,359 uh conveyor, which is what we should be 3763 02:48:25,279 --> 02:48:29,840 doing, and we've talked about ways of 3764 02:48:27,359 --> 02:48:35,200 getting around Cal Train, 3765 02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:38,560 uh is, and I mentioned this back then, 3766 02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:40,479 since it's unregulated landfill on the 3767 02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:41,840 east side, 3768 02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:43,439 couldn't [snorts] we take the stuff that 3769 02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:46,399 we were going to haul away from the west 3770 02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:48,960 side and just dump it over on the east 3771 02:48:46,399 --> 02:48:51,040 and then cap it off. 3772 02:48:48,960 --> 02:48:54,000 And the comment then was you can't do 3773 02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:56,960 that. But that was 10 years ago. So I'm 3774 02:48:54,000 --> 02:48:58,800 hoping maybe regulations have changed 3775 02:48:56,960 --> 02:49:04,000 and you know that's a lot of stuff they 3776 02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:06,479 have to haul to where Tracy or some far 3777 02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:08,800 away land with all those trucks and all 3778 02:49:06,479 --> 02:49:10,880 that diesel and all the impacts that 3779 02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:13,520 we've talked about. So why couldn't we 3780 02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:15,840 just dump it on the old landfill 3781 02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:17,840 and then do the capping and everything 3782 02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:20,560 else? And then the last thing I wanted 3783 02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:22,560 to share was that 3784 02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:24,560 what's the biggest issue out of the 3785 02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:27,840 Sierra Point 3786 02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:30,560 with the caps and the infrastructure 3787 02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:34,399 and the all the issues that we're trying 3788 02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:35,760 to prevent is the ground squirrels. 3789 02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:37,840 I don't know what you're going to do 3790 02:49:35,760 --> 02:49:41,040 with the bay lands to prevent ground 3791 02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:44,000 squirrels from inundating the territory 3792 02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:47,520 and destroying everything, 3793 02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:48,960 the the vapor berries especially 3794 02:49:47,520 --> 02:49:52,800 because they're going to be closer to 3795 02:49:48,960 --> 02:49:55,200 the surface than the cap. So, 3796 02:49:52,800 --> 02:49:56,800 I'd like to see some study being done 3797 02:49:55,200 --> 02:49:59,760 about what we're going to do with that 3798 02:49:56,800 --> 02:50:03,520 situation. Thank you. 3799 02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:06,479 Okay, so that's all the slips I have on 3800 02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:08,800 uh topic number one. We're closing in on 3801 02:50:06,479 --> 02:50:13,120 a time where we need to extend the 3802 02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:16,160 meeting. I would suggest that we 3803 02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:19,120 go for a motion to extend and before we 3804 02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:21,520 resume that we take about a 10-minut 3805 02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:24,080 break for everybody before we go to 3806 02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:26,160 council questions. So could I have a 3807 02:50:24,080 --> 02:50:28,560 motion to extend the meeting let's say 3808 02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:29,600 for how long? an hour 3809 02:50:28,560 --> 02:50:30,640 » Till 9:30. 3810 02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:32,720 » 9:30. 3811 02:50:30,640 --> 02:50:33,359 » Yeah, that that' be the maximum for me. 3812 02:50:32,720 --> 02:50:35,200 Okay. So, 3813 02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:36,720 » So can I have a motion? 3814 02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:37,760 » I'll make a motion to extend the meeting 3815 02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:38,479 till 9:30. 3816 02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:39,840 » Second. 3817 02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:40,720 » All in favor? 3818 02:50:39,840 --> 02:50:43,120 » I. 3819 02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:45,520 » Anyone opposed? No. Okay. So, we'll take 3820 02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:48,760 a 10-minute break right now. We'll see 3821 02:50:45,520 --> 02:50:48,760 you then. 3822 02:50:53,488 --> 02:50:55,508 » [music] 3823 02:51:11,828 --> 02:51:13,848 [music] 3824 02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:47,908 » Heat. Heat. 3825 02:51:45,889 --> 02:51:47,908 [music] 3826 02:51:53,094 --> 02:51:55,113 [music] 3827 02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:10,040 Heat. 3828 02:52:19,294 --> 02:52:24,279 [music] 3829 02:52:21,279 --> 02:52:24,279 Heat. 3830 02:52:35,014 --> 02:52:37,033 » [music] 3831 02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:49,080 » Heat. Heat. 3832 02:52:52,044 --> 02:52:55,479 [music] Heat. Heat. N. 3833 02:52:57,939 --> 02:52:59,959 [music] 3834 02:53:14,314 --> 02:53:16,334 [music] 3835 02:53:41,825 --> 02:53:43,845 » [music] 3836 02:54:12,610 --> 02:54:14,630 [music] 3837 02:54:18,505 --> 02:54:20,524 [music] 3838 02:54:27,021 --> 02:54:29,040 [music] 3839 02:54:32,479 --> 02:54:35,479 » Heat. 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Heat. 3898 03:01:50,460 --> 03:01:52,479 [music] 3899 03:01:57,665 --> 03:01:59,685 [music] 3900 03:02:08,960 --> 03:02:12,785 Heat. 3901 03:02:10,766 --> 03:02:12,785 [music] 3902 03:02:18,626 --> 03:02:20,646 [music] 3903 03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:27,851 Heat. 3904 03:02:25,831 --> 03:02:27,851 [music] 3905 03:02:31,359 --> 03:02:34,359 Heat. Heat. 3906 03:02:35,001 --> 03:02:37,021 [music] 3907 03:02:53,341 --> 03:02:55,360 [music] 3908 03:02:55,600 --> 03:02:58,600 Heat. 3909 03:02:59,892 --> 03:03:01,911 [music] 3910 03:03:07,097 --> 03:03:09,116 [music] 3911 03:03:14,956 --> 03:03:18,279 [music] Heat. 3912 03:03:24,127 --> 03:03:26,146 » [music] 3913 03:03:34,606 --> 03:03:36,626 [music] 3914 03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:42,279 » Heat. Heat. 3915 03:03:43,122 --> 03:03:45,142 [music] 3916 03:03:58,187 --> 03:04:00,206 » [music] 3917 03:04:06,702 --> 03:04:08,722 [music] 3918 03:04:11,279 --> 03:04:15,760 » All right, if we can get started again. 3919 03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:22,319 So, we've gone through [clears throat] 3920 03:04:18,080 --> 03:04:24,640 the public slips, speaker slips. So, 3921 03:04:22,319 --> 03:04:28,800 we'd like to start with council 3922 03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:34,080 questions. Again, it's on topic one. 3923 03:04:28,800 --> 03:04:37,040 And we'll start with Mir Prom Davis. 3924 03:04:34,080 --> 03:04:40,880 » Thank you. I have two questions. Um, 3925 03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:43,439 I'll ask them, of course, in order, 3926 03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:47,600 um, one at a time. 3927 03:04:43,439 --> 03:04:49,600 And I asked this at the BB KAG meeting 3928 03:04:47,600 --> 03:04:52,720 already, but I think it's really 3929 03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:55,120 important for the broader public to hear 3930 03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:57,760 the answer to and also the rest of the 3931 03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:59,760 council. So, this question is for DTSC 3932 03:04:57,760 --> 03:05:03,840 and the regional water quality control 3933 03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:06,560 board. Is it common for cities to 3934 03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:09,840 require additional remediation measures 3935 03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:13,680 or monitoring beyond what your agencies 3936 03:05:09,840 --> 03:05:16,560 require? And if so, how do cities do 3937 03:05:13,680 --> 03:05:20,680 this without duplicating or conflicting 3938 03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:20,680 with your regulatory oversight? 3939 03:05:20,880 --> 03:05:27,160 And I imagine somebody's here from those 3940 03:05:23,200 --> 03:05:27,160 bodies, right? Still online. 3941 03:05:32,240 --> 03:05:36,319 I don't see 3942 03:05:33,840 --> 03:05:38,160 » May I chime in? 3943 03:05:36,319 --> 03:05:42,000 » We can we can 3944 03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:45,359 » If I can just my experience. I did two 3945 03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:48,640 online webinars that were DTSC 3946 03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:50,800 remediation related and they were asked 3947 03:05:48,640 --> 03:05:52,240 the question by city of Richmond 3948 03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:54,319 residents because they have a 3949 03:05:52,240 --> 03:05:56,319 development kind of similar to ours on 3950 03:05:54,319 --> 03:05:58,960 the bay and they were very concerned 3951 03:05:56,319 --> 03:06:01,439 about the toxins and at first they said 3952 03:05:58,960 --> 03:06:03,920 well it's really fiveyear cycles that's 3953 03:06:01,439 --> 03:06:05,920 normal that's standard and when they 3954 03:06:03,920 --> 03:06:09,680 came back for the second phase of that 3955 03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:11,840 webinar they said you could put in the 3956 03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:16,240 requests it due to whatever special 3957 03:06:11,840 --> 03:06:18,640 circumstances and and do it annually. So 3958 03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:20,800 that's old information. It's about 2 3959 03:06:18,640 --> 03:06:23,120 years old, three years old, but that's 3960 03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:25,200 what they said at a webinar. So we would 3961 03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:25,920 have to investigate to verify if that's 3962 03:06:25,200 --> 03:06:27,520 still true. 3963 03:06:25,920 --> 03:06:30,319 » Yeah. I'm a little disappointed that 3964 03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:35,120 Alex Karpowitz and I think it was Angus 3965 03:06:30,319 --> 03:06:36,640 Chan from DTSC that they're no longer 3966 03:06:35,120 --> 03:06:39,040 » Here. Yeah. Maybe. Are they on the 3967 03:06:36,640 --> 03:06:41,600 attendees list? 3968 03:06:39,040 --> 03:06:42,640 » They were. Oh, 3969 03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:47,040 » Okay. 3970 03:06:42,640 --> 03:06:47,200 » Angus Chan and Alex. So, 3971 03:06:47,040 --> 03:06:48,160 um, 3972 03:06:47,200 --> 03:06:50,000 » Can they chime in? 3973 03:06:48,160 --> 03:06:50,640 » Do either of you want to chime in? 3974 03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:54,000 Angus, 3975 03:06:50,640 --> 03:06:55,840 » There's a hand up. 3976 03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:56,880 » Perfect. [clears throat] Angus, go 3977 03:06:55,840 --> 03:06:58,880 ahead. 3978 03:06:56,880 --> 03:07:00,560 » Hi, this is um this is Angus Chan from 3979 03:06:58,880 --> 03:07:02,000 the regional law report. Sorry, I I just 3980 03:07:00,560 --> 03:07:03,760 came back from the break and I missed 3981 03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:05,359 half of the question, but 3982 03:07:03,760 --> 03:07:08,399 » I understand 3983 03:07:05,359 --> 03:07:09,840 » The question was um how how often do 3984 03:07:08,399 --> 03:07:11,840 cities require more stringent 3985 03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:14,319 requirements than what the waterboard 3986 03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:15,600 and BPSC does? Is that the 3987 03:07:14,319 --> 03:07:17,040 understanding? 3988 03:07:15,600 --> 03:07:19,120 » Yeah. And how do they do that without 3989 03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:20,560 duplicating or conflicting with your 3990 03:07:19,120 --> 03:07:23,680 oversight? 3991 03:07:20,560 --> 03:07:25,200 » Yeah. What we usually encourage is uh 3992 03:07:23,680 --> 03:07:27,439 communication between different 3993 03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:29,279 agencies. So for example, uh the 3994 03:07:27,439 --> 03:07:32,880 waterboard and DTSC has a long history 3995 03:07:29,279 --> 03:07:34,640 of working together. Uh and we typically 3996 03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:36,399 coordinate our review and comments 3997 03:07:34,640 --> 03:07:39,680 together so we don't conflict with one 3998 03:07:36,399 --> 03:07:41,520 another. And so if there is another 3999 03:07:39,680 --> 03:07:44,240 local agency, city or county that have 4000 03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:46,960 more requirements, uh then they would 4001 03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:50,479 usually approach us and DTSC and we 4002 03:07:46,960 --> 03:07:53,359 would figure out what would be the kind 4003 03:07:50,479 --> 03:07:54,960 of uh the the comment that we would uh 4004 03:07:53,359 --> 03:07:57,359 give for the review or of a certain 4005 03:07:54,960 --> 03:07:59,760 document and then all three agencies or 4006 03:07:57,359 --> 03:08:02,000 whichever agency is involved uh would 4007 03:07:59,760 --> 03:08:03,920 all agree on what the eventual outcome 4008 03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:06,080 would be. 4009 03:08:03,920 --> 03:08:09,279 And if I could just add to to that. So 4010 03:08:06,080 --> 03:08:11,279 that that is the process that we've 4011 03:08:09,279 --> 03:08:14,479 already been undergoing. So that when 4012 03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:16,479 the city hired EKI, that was to fill 4013 03:08:14,479 --> 03:08:20,560 precisely the role that Angus was just 4014 03:08:16,479 --> 03:08:24,720 describing to review the cleanup plans 4015 03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:27,920 to make comment and to encourage the 4016 03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:31,680 regulatory agencies to incorporate the 4017 03:08:27,920 --> 03:08:34,560 city's uh perspectives into their 4018 03:08:31,680 --> 03:08:37,040 regulations which then were folded into 4019 03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:39,840 the documents that have been adopted so 4020 03:08:37,040 --> 03:08:42,160 far to date. So that um 4021 03:08:39,840 --> 03:08:47,600 [cough and clears throat] there's to my 4022 03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:51,439 knowledge there's not um a process where 4023 03:08:47,600 --> 03:08:53,600 a city will then come in and impose 4024 03:08:51,439 --> 03:08:55,520 additional more stringent requirements 4025 03:08:53,600 --> 03:08:57,920 independent of one of the regulatory 4026 03:08:55,520 --> 03:08:59,040 agencies. However, like again, the 4027 03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:01,680 process that we've already been 4028 03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:04,399 undergoing and would continue to undergo 4029 03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:07,600 um as plans continue to be finalized and 4030 03:09:04,399 --> 03:09:10,000 monitored with reviewing with the city's 4031 03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:11,600 independent consultants commenting and 4032 03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:14,399 making sure that standards were being 4033 03:09:11,600 --> 03:09:15,760 met uh has occurred and and will 4034 03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:19,040 continue to occur. 4035 03:09:15,760 --> 03:09:21,600 » It it was my understanding from the 4036 03:09:19,040 --> 03:09:23,520 response at that meeting and I'm don't 4037 03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:26,240 know if it was from Alex or if it was 4038 03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:29,359 from Nicole. I think it was from Nicole 4039 03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:32,399 from DTSC, but the response that I got 4040 03:09:29,359 --> 03:09:35,600 was that it was extremely uncommon for a 4041 03:09:32,399 --> 03:09:38,000 city after the regulatory agencies 4042 03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:41,680 outlined what needed to be done that the 4043 03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:45,359 city would then implement its own 4044 03:09:41,680 --> 03:09:48,720 » Measures beyond that and that they said 4045 03:09:45,359 --> 03:09:51,680 that there was a case potentially in 4046 03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:54,640 Emeryville where there was some vapor 4047 03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:58,080 monitoring that they had not required. 4048 03:09:54,640 --> 03:10:00,800 um that the city asked for and it was 4049 03:09:58,080 --> 03:10:03,680 minor enough I think that it that they 4050 03:10:00,800 --> 03:10:06,080 added it. But that as to for a city to 4051 03:10:03,680 --> 03:10:09,520 go to require something above and beyond 4052 03:10:06,080 --> 03:10:12,720 what DTSC or uh the water board would 4053 03:10:09,520 --> 03:10:14,319 require would be incredibly uncommon. So 4054 03:10:12,720 --> 03:10:14,880 » Yeah, I have one thought and then 4055 03:10:14,319 --> 03:10:17,120 Michelle 4056 03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:18,399 » Okay. I I just want to speak to that one 4057 03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:21,040 site. So do you want to make your 4058 03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:22,560 comment first? Oh yeah. I I was that our 4059 03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:24,399 understanding is that it was actually 4060 03:10:22,560 --> 03:10:25,920 the same and Michelle and I might be 4061 03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:29,279 about to say the same thing, the same 4062 03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:32,560 process. It was might the Brooklyn basin 4063 03:10:29,279 --> 03:10:36,000 site in Oakland, but where there were 4064 03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:37,760 comments made and that the water board 4065 03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:39,359 ended up incorporating just again just 4066 03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:42,479 like just like we're doing here. So 4067 03:10:39,359 --> 03:10:44,960 again to your your point about not just 4068 03:10:42,479 --> 03:10:48,160 is it uncommon but I would say it's 4069 03:10:44,960 --> 03:10:51,520 unprecedented to do another level of 4070 03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:53,600 requirement beyond the the sort of 4071 03:10:51,520 --> 03:10:54,800 commentary and the and the requests and 4072 03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:55,680 back and forth that we were discussing 4073 03:10:54,800 --> 03:10:58,000 but I'll I'll 4074 03:10:55,680 --> 03:11:00,080 » Yeah. I mean EKI was the is the 4075 03:10:58,000 --> 03:11:02,399 consultant for Brooklyn Basin. So um 4076 03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:04,000 we're very familiar with what happened 4077 03:11:02,399 --> 03:11:06,880 there. And there was a question about 4078 03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:11,359 naturally occurring methane inthane in 4079 03:11:06,880 --> 03:11:13,680 in the sediments and initially DTSC said 4080 03:11:11,359 --> 03:11:14,880 we don't normally regulate and oversee 4081 03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:17,120 methane. 4082 03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:19,120 » Um and so then there was a question of 4083 03:11:17,120 --> 03:11:20,960 who was going to deal with that and in 4084 03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:23,120 the end 4085 03:11:20,960 --> 03:11:25,040 DTSC ended up doing all the review and 4086 03:11:23,120 --> 03:11:27,120 oversight by their ESPO their 4087 03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:28,399 engineering group reviewed all the 4088 03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:31,120 design. So for each phase of 4089 03:11:28,399 --> 03:11:33,840 development, the design tied to the 4090 03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:37,760 methane goes and gets reviewed and 4091 03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:39,120 approved by DTSC. So there was no city 4092 03:11:37,760 --> 03:11:40,880 separate city oversight. 4093 03:11:39,120 --> 03:11:42,960 » Got Got it. Thank you for clarifying 4094 03:11:40,880 --> 03:11:44,479 that. um just because we've gotten some 4095 03:11:42,960 --> 03:11:48,000 suggestions 4096 03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:51,200 from the public and um I think from some 4097 03:11:48,000 --> 03:11:55,200 of our advisory boards that have made 4098 03:11:51,200 --> 03:11:57,600 suggestions that we we implement things 4099 03:11:55,200 --> 03:12:00,240 from a city 4100 03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:04,319 um standpoint 4101 03:12:00,240 --> 03:12:07,840 to regulate certain aspects of the 4102 03:12:04,319 --> 03:12:10,960 remediation or the long-term monitoring 4103 03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:15,200 that really may not be 4104 03:12:10,960 --> 03:12:18,240 within our purview to do. Um, so I just 4105 03:12:15,200 --> 03:12:20,960 thought it would be good to air that out 4106 03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:22,720 and what's common and uncommon. So, 4107 03:12:20,960 --> 03:12:27,080 thank you. 4108 03:12:22,720 --> 03:12:27,080 » Okay, Council Member Okonnell. 4109 03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:33,040 So, when the um remedial [clears throat] 4110 03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:36,160 action plan was being developed, I 4111 03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:39,920 listened in on some of the things that 4112 03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:44,080 were going on. And 4113 03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:45,600 it appears to me that they're 4114 03:12:44,080 --> 03:12:47,120 when they're deciding how to do a 4115 03:12:45,600 --> 03:12:51,120 cleanup, 4116 03:12:47,120 --> 03:12:54,319 it's how can we do it 4117 03:12:51,120 --> 03:12:59,359 the least the most economically 4118 03:12:54,319 --> 03:13:02,000 that we can. And so there there 4119 03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:04,319 it was 4120 03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:07,359 it wasn't maybe there was different ways 4121 03:13:04,319 --> 03:13:11,680 to do the cleanup, but they went with 4122 03:13:07,359 --> 03:13:13,600 the ideas that were feasible to do, not 4123 03:13:11,680 --> 03:13:18,399 necessarily 4124 03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:20,080 the best practices. And I'm wondering if 4125 03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:22,880 um 4126 03:13:20,080 --> 03:13:25,600 DTSC can comment or the [clears throat] 4127 03:13:22,880 --> 03:13:29,600 regional water quality board can can 4128 03:13:25,600 --> 03:13:31,680 comment on the cost factor on when they 4129 03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:34,319 decide what is feasible to do for 4130 03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:36,960 cleanup because we're just we're capping 4131 03:13:34,319 --> 03:13:40,560 this. We're not cleaning it up for the 4132 03:13:36,960 --> 03:13:44,080 most part. We are covering it up. And is 4133 03:13:40,560 --> 03:13:47,600 that just because of the cost factor? 4134 03:13:44,080 --> 03:13:47,600 I'd like their opinion. 4135 03:13:58,960 --> 03:14:02,239 Yeah, this is an from the regional 4136 03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:06,000 waterboard. Again, I can speak a bit 4137 03:14:02,239 --> 03:14:09,120 about that. Uh when 4138 03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:11,840 when uh remedies or different 4139 03:14:09,120 --> 03:14:15,840 alternatives are being evaluated, uh 4140 03:14:11,840 --> 03:14:17,840 cost is only one factor. Um there are 4141 03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:20,960 other factors that we consider such as 4142 03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:25,040 how technically feasible a technology 4143 03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:27,600 can be. Um the environmental analysis 4144 03:14:25,040 --> 03:14:30,239 which in this case will be uh wrapped 4145 03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:32,640 under the SQL process. Uh community 4146 03:14:30,239 --> 03:14:35,439 acceptance and regulatory acceptance uh 4147 03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:39,120 the long and short-term effectiveness um 4148 03:14:35,439 --> 03:14:41,040 of of certain technologies. So um 4149 03:14:39,120 --> 03:14:43,200 definitely cost is a factor. you know, 4150 03:14:41,040 --> 03:14:45,439 we can we can all say that, but I I can 4151 03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:48,960 also say that it's not the only factor. 4152 03:14:45,439 --> 03:14:53,600 Um there are occasions where 4153 03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:56,319 the the most feasible technology is the 4154 03:14:53,600 --> 03:14:59,120 most economical but it can also be a 4155 03:14:56,319 --> 03:15:00,960 situation where it is just not possible 4156 03:14:59,120 --> 03:15:03,920 to remove every single molecule of 4157 03:15:00,960 --> 03:15:06,080 contaminant because um not just because 4158 03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:09,760 it's very costly but it's just because 4159 03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:11,600 it it can um other other issues can come 4160 03:15:09,760 --> 03:15:14,160 up like if you're trucking soils you 4161 03:15:11,600 --> 03:15:17,120 know that can incur more trucks uh to 4162 03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:20,239 get rid of all of a suic 4163 03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:23,920 it's it's a fairly complex 4164 03:15:20,239 --> 03:15:26,640 process where uh a lot of different 4165 03:15:23,920 --> 03:15:28,000 factors are being considered. So I I'm 4166 03:15:26,640 --> 03:15:30,000 not going to sugarcoat it and say, you 4167 03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:31,439 know, cost is all the determining 4168 03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:34,720 factor, but it is definitely one thing 4169 03:15:31,439 --> 03:15:38,319 that is considered. 4170 03:15:34,720 --> 03:15:41,439 » And and as a followup, the where there's 4171 03:15:38,319 --> 03:15:44,399 housing on these two units, it is to 4172 03:15:41,439 --> 03:15:47,800 ground level residential cleanup as in 4173 03:15:44,399 --> 03:15:47,800 measure JJ. 4174 03:15:49,040 --> 03:15:53,640 So it can be ground level, not podium. 4175 03:15:55,680 --> 03:16:02,560 uh in terms of 4176 03:15:58,160 --> 03:16:06,239 the uh environmental aspect. Yes. Uh 4177 03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:08,239 usually what happens is uh during the 4178 03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:11,439 process there will be testing to confirm 4179 03:16:08,239 --> 03:16:14,800 that uh either ground level or podium 4180 03:16:11,439 --> 03:16:16,479 level can uh is appropriate for the site 4181 03:16:14,800 --> 03:16:18,560 and our main concern is whether they're 4182 03:16:16,479 --> 03:16:20,479 exposure to human health and the 4183 03:16:18,560 --> 03:16:25,200 environment. And so as long as there are 4184 03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:27,680 testing results that uh can confirm that 4185 03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:30,560 uh for ground level resident uh 4186 03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:32,640 residents uh there can be no significant 4187 03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:34,160 impacts. Yeah. The the water board or 4188 03:16:32,640 --> 03:16:38,000 DTSC 4189 03:16:34,160 --> 03:16:39,359 uh will will uh usually concur with 4190 03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:41,040 that. 4191 03:16:39,359 --> 03:16:41,760 » Thank you. Sorry for taking two 4192 03:16:41,040 --> 03:16:45,760 questions. 4193 03:16:41,760 --> 03:16:49,200 » Okay. Council member Kern. 4194 03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:50,720 Uh I uh I watched the BB KAg meeting and 4195 03:16:49,200 --> 03:16:52,319 um was able to hear all the questions 4196 03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:54,080 that were asked there. I don't have any 4197 03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:55,680 questions on remediation framework or 4198 03:16:54,080 --> 03:16:56,319 the responsible agencies at this time. 4199 03:16:55,680 --> 03:17:00,239 Thank you. 4200 03:16:56,319 --> 03:17:03,600 » Okay, Council Member Lens. 4201 03:17:00,239 --> 03:17:06,479 » Yeah, you know, I was trying to 4202 03:17:03,600 --> 03:17:09,279 coordinate my uh my questions based upon 4203 03:17:06,479 --> 03:17:13,760 this list here. I think I've done a 4204 03:17:09,279 --> 03:17:15,920 decent job, but I apologize if I if I 4205 03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:17,840 stray uh out of bounds. 4206 03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:18,319 » We're on the regulatory 4207 03:17:17,840 --> 03:17:18,960 » Yeah. 4208 03:17:18,319 --> 03:17:22,160 » Part. 4209 03:17:18,960 --> 03:17:25,200 » So, um All right. So, you know, measure 4210 03:17:22,160 --> 03:17:27,200 JJ, you know, states that uh there will 4211 03:17:25,200 --> 03:17:29,359 be a a specific schedule establishing 4212 03:17:27,200 --> 03:17:32,800 the time frame for which the landfill 4213 03:17:29,359 --> 03:17:36,800 must be closed, title 27 and uh both of 4214 03:17:32,800 --> 03:17:38,960 the OUS uh on the other side. So, um, 4215 03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:43,760 you know, we saw a lot of dates, you 4216 03:17:38,960 --> 03:17:47,120 know, kind of general generality, but 4217 03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:49,120 what is the the specific schedule? And, 4218 03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:50,640 um, 4219 03:17:49,120 --> 03:17:52,880 and then, you know, could the council 4220 03:17:50,640 --> 03:17:56,560 require that that remediation schedule 4221 03:17:52,880 --> 03:17:58,560 be part of the specific plan? So, kind 4222 03:17:56,560 --> 03:18:02,399 of one and two. So, sorry if I sneaked 4223 03:17:58,560 --> 03:18:05,359 one in there, Madame Mayor. 4224 03:18:02,399 --> 03:18:07,520 Sure. 4225 03:18:05,359 --> 03:18:10,640 So, the as uh we were talking about that 4226 03:18:07,520 --> 03:18:13,840 the Title 27 landfill closure has a 4227 03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:17,279 fixed 10-year period um that begins to 4228 03:18:13,840 --> 03:18:21,840 run once the stockpile has been removed. 4229 03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:24,880 Um the rest of the 4230 03:18:21,840 --> 03:18:29,200 uh remediation is at this point 4231 03:18:24,880 --> 03:18:32,479 anticipated to be done in in conjunction 4232 03:18:29,200 --> 03:18:35,920 with development in phases. um as the 4233 03:18:32,479 --> 03:18:38,640 project develops. Um but 4234 03:18:35,920 --> 03:18:42,160 yes, we can uh the council can direct to 4235 03:18:38,640 --> 03:18:46,800 have more uh information about phasing 4236 03:18:42,160 --> 03:18:48,880 or requirements in the specific plan um 4237 03:18:46,800 --> 03:18:50,160 depending on on what the direction is. 4238 03:18:48,880 --> 03:18:54,160 » Okay. Thank you. 4239 03:18:50,160 --> 03:18:57,040 » Okay. Uh let's see. We'll go back to Oh, 4240 03:18:54,160 --> 03:19:01,600 I get a question 4241 03:18:57,040 --> 03:19:03,359 missing myself. Okay. um gas mitigation 4242 03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:05,760 monitoring. 4243 03:19:03,359 --> 03:19:09,040 And so from what we heard earlier, it 4244 03:19:05,760 --> 03:19:11,920 sounds like DTSC 4245 03:19:09,040 --> 03:19:14,479 and regional waterboard have been doing 4246 03:19:11,920 --> 03:19:17,279 some monitoring of this site over years 4247 03:19:14,479 --> 03:19:19,040 and years from the one gentleman we had 4248 03:19:17,279 --> 03:19:22,479 talking 4249 03:19:19,040 --> 03:19:25,520 and the presentation that we had. How 4250 03:19:22,479 --> 03:19:28,080 how far into the future does that go for 4251 03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:31,439 and and I'm specifically looking for 4252 03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:35,200 something related to the gases because 4253 03:19:31,439 --> 03:19:38,800 the gases will continue and continue 4254 03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:41,200 for quite a few years. 4255 03:19:38,800 --> 03:19:42,800 Is it in perpetuity or is it is there a 4256 03:19:41,200 --> 03:19:46,000 limit 4257 03:19:42,800 --> 03:19:48,800 at this point? um 4258 03:19:46,000 --> 03:19:52,000 for the landfill typically the landfill 4259 03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:54,960 gas monitoring will continue for a 4260 03:19:52,000 --> 03:19:56,560 longer period of time. And so what 4261 03:19:54,960 --> 03:19:58,239 happens and I'll just speak to that 4262 03:19:56,560 --> 03:20:00,479 reference to the one year that one of 4263 03:19:58,239 --> 03:20:04,560 the members of the public made a comment 4264 03:20:00,479 --> 03:20:07,120 about. So landfill gas generation has a 4265 03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:09,920 a curve where when the landfill's 4266 03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:12,720 younger and the waste is newer, the 4267 03:20:09,920 --> 03:20:15,200 methane generation increases with time 4268 03:20:12,720 --> 03:20:17,600 as the waste decomposes. And then when 4269 03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:20,080 you have a mature older landfill like we 4270 03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:23,920 have here at the Baylands, that methane 4271 03:20:20,080 --> 03:20:26,399 generation curve declines. And so it 4272 03:20:23,920 --> 03:20:28,000 will depend on once that landfill is 4273 03:20:26,399 --> 03:20:29,920 capped, 4274 03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:32,399 how much methane generation is actually 4275 03:20:29,920 --> 03:20:36,239 continuing. But the assumption is that 4276 03:20:32,399 --> 03:20:41,200 it will continue for a decent number of 4277 03:20:36,239 --> 03:20:43,760 time likely more than a year for the um 4278 03:20:41,200 --> 03:20:46,000 west side. The monitoring specific 4279 03:20:43,760 --> 03:20:47,840 monitoring plans have yet to be 4280 03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:49,520 developed in terms of exactly what the 4281 03:20:47,840 --> 03:20:51,279 requirements are, but the regulatory 4282 03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:54,399 agencies. So there's a requirement for a 4283 03:20:51,279 --> 03:20:56,640 soil gas investigation once all the 4284 03:20:54,399 --> 03:20:59,040 import material is placed and the cap is 4285 03:20:56,640 --> 03:21:01,439 built up. There will be soil gas 4286 03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:03,359 sampling that will determine whether 4287 03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:06,319 vapor mitigation systems are actually 4288 03:21:03,359 --> 03:21:08,319 needed. And then if vapor mitigation 4289 03:21:06,319 --> 03:21:09,920 systems are installed, then there will 4290 03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:11,279 be operations, maintenance, and 4291 03:21:09,920 --> 03:21:13,680 monitoring plans that will go with it 4292 03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:16,319 that the agencies will approve that will 4293 03:21:13,680 --> 03:21:19,359 then determine the frequency and 4294 03:21:16,319 --> 03:21:21,760 duration of that sampling. And that type 4295 03:21:19,359 --> 03:21:24,640 of frequency and duration often depends 4296 03:21:21,760 --> 03:21:26,880 on how high the concentrations are. So, 4297 03:21:24,640 --> 03:21:30,720 I have a dumb question and and please 4298 03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:32,880 allow me to ask this as a clarification. 4299 03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:36,800 It's my understanding that you you're 4300 03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:38,960 getting gases, the methane produced when 4301 03:21:36,800 --> 03:21:42,399 biological things. So, we're talking 4302 03:21:38,960 --> 03:21:45,279 trash. We're talking food waste as it 4303 03:21:42,399 --> 03:21:48,239 decomposes and it gives off gases as the 4304 03:21:45,279 --> 03:21:50,239 bacteria eat away at it. But we also 4305 03:21:48,239 --> 03:21:53,359 have chemicals that have been put in 4306 03:21:50,239 --> 03:21:57,200 there. Do these various 4307 03:21:53,359 --> 03:22:01,200 what today are toxic waste, do they not 4308 03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:03,279 give off certain fumes as they mix and 4309 03:22:01,200 --> 03:22:05,680 change? We've been told over the years 4310 03:22:03,279 --> 03:22:09,680 that these chemicals are mixing 4311 03:22:05,680 --> 03:22:11,920 underground. Do they not give off fumes? 4312 03:22:09,680 --> 03:22:15,359 Because I saw something in Japan that 4313 03:22:11,920 --> 03:22:18,800 they do landfills 4314 03:22:15,359 --> 03:22:22,800 where they put in oxygen tubes and it 4315 03:22:18,800 --> 03:22:25,520 accelerates all the offging and within 6 4316 03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:27,040 years it stops because they've infused 4317 03:22:25,520 --> 03:22:29,680 it with oxygen. 4318 03:22:27,040 --> 03:22:32,160 » That would help for the for the methane 4319 03:22:29,680 --> 03:22:33,680 generation. But the for the chemicals 4320 03:22:32,160 --> 03:22:34,880 the volatile organic chemicals that 4321 03:22:33,680 --> 03:22:36,160 you're referring to. So the west side 4322 03:22:34,880 --> 03:22:38,560 doesn't have the methane. It's really 4323 03:22:36,160 --> 03:22:40,560 the volatile organic chemicals. And so 4324 03:22:38,560 --> 03:22:43,040 that just depends on the mix of 4325 03:22:40,560 --> 03:22:46,800 chemicals that are there. Some of them 4326 03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:49,359 do degrade naturally anorobically 4327 03:22:46,800 --> 03:22:52,239 without oxygen and some of them like 4328 03:22:49,359 --> 03:22:54,399 benzene let's say degrades aerobically 4329 03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:56,800 with oxygen. So it really depends on the 4330 03:22:54,399 --> 03:22:59,920 sight specific conditions in terms of 4331 03:22:56,800 --> 03:23:02,000 over time how that mix of gases the 4332 03:22:59,920 --> 03:23:04,160 volatile organic chemical gases will 4333 03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:05,520 behave over time. But that monitoring 4334 03:23:04,160 --> 03:23:07,600 again if there's an issue at the 4335 03:23:05,520 --> 03:23:09,840 landfill then the water board will 4336 03:23:07,600 --> 03:23:11,760 continue to require monitoring to make 4337 03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:13,840 sure that there's you know protection of 4338 03:23:11,760 --> 03:23:16,880 human health and the environment. And 4339 03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:18,720 just following on on the um going back 4340 03:23:16,880 --> 03:23:22,720 to the question that Angus answered 4341 03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:25,120 about the cost of cleanup when 4342 03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:27,359 evaluating remedial 4343 03:23:25,120 --> 03:23:29,680 remedial alternatives the very first 4344 03:23:27,359 --> 03:23:31,439 what's called a threshold criteria is is 4345 03:23:29,680 --> 03:23:33,200 the remedy protective of human health in 4346 03:23:31,439 --> 03:23:35,920 the environment and if you don't pass 4347 03:23:33,200 --> 03:23:37,760 that then everything gets rejected. So 4348 03:23:35,920 --> 03:23:40,239 all of the alternatives in the remedial 4349 03:23:37,760 --> 03:23:41,680 action plan except no action would be 4350 03:23:40,239 --> 03:23:44,160 protective of human health in the 4351 03:23:41,680 --> 03:23:46,399 environment. So, just to clarify that 4352 03:23:44,160 --> 03:23:48,319 that's a threshold criteria. 4353 03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:50,800 » Thank you. It was a really comprehensive 4354 03:23:48,319 --> 03:23:53,920 answer. I appreciate that. 4355 03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:56,560 » All right. Um, Council Member Kern, you 4356 03:23:53,920 --> 03:23:58,319 have no questions. So, we go to Mayor. 4357 03:23:56,560 --> 03:23:59,200 » Excuse me. I wanted to add one little 4358 03:23:58,319 --> 03:23:59,760 piece there. 4359 03:23:59,200 --> 03:24:03,040 » Okay. 4360 03:23:59,760 --> 03:24:04,880 » For that UPC OSM, 4361 03:24:03,040 --> 03:24:06,720 um, a lot of the source of that those 4362 03:24:04,880 --> 03:24:08,560 vapors are coming from the Schlage lock 4363 03:24:06,720 --> 03:24:11,680 site, which is offsite. It's not in the 4364 03:24:08,560 --> 03:24:13,600 baylands, but they have been required by 4365 03:24:11,680 --> 03:24:16,160 the DTSC to do cleanups there. So, 4366 03:24:13,600 --> 03:24:17,520 they're going to be removing a source of 4367 03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:19,680 those chemicals that are getting in 4368 03:24:17,520 --> 03:24:22,080 groundwater, migrating under the bay 4369 03:24:19,680 --> 03:24:23,680 lands, and then the vapors coming on up. 4370 03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:26,239 So, eliminating that source is going to 4371 03:24:23,680 --> 03:24:27,439 short circuit that as well. Okay. 4372 03:24:26,239 --> 03:24:28,080 » Just wanted to add that that's also 4373 03:24:27,439 --> 03:24:31,680 being done. 4374 03:24:28,080 --> 03:24:34,080 » Thank you. Okay. again. Um, Mayor Prom 4375 03:24:31,680 --> 03:24:36,000 Davis, 4376 03:24:34,080 --> 03:24:40,000 » Um, 4377 03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:42,160 I the I had another question, but it was 4378 03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:43,520 answered already, so I'm good on this 4379 03:24:42,160 --> 03:24:46,080 section. 4380 03:24:43,520 --> 03:24:48,960 » Okay, 4381 03:24:46,080 --> 03:24:51,216 Council Member Lent. 4382 03:24:48,960 --> 03:24:52,080 » All right. Um, 4383 03:24:51,216 --> 03:24:55,279 [clears throat] 4384 03:24:52,080 --> 03:24:57,840 let's see. Page four of the staff report 4385 03:24:55,279 --> 03:25:01,840 or page six of 14. Says [clears throat] 4386 03:24:57,840 --> 03:25:06,000 four of of eight, too. But um in that uh 4387 03:25:01,840 --> 03:25:07,760 first full section uh the bottom it says 4388 03:25:06,000 --> 03:25:10,399 implementation details including 4389 03:25:07,760 --> 03:25:12,080 specific uh excavation, stockpiling, 4390 03:25:10,399 --> 03:25:16,800 dust control and storm water management 4391 03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:18,720 procedures will be defined in the RDIPs 4392 03:25:16,800 --> 03:25:21,840 our RDIPs. 4393 03:25:18,720 --> 03:25:23,680 So when will that occur and if you can 4394 03:25:21,840 --> 03:25:28,880 just kind of walk through like how 4395 03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:32,080 that's evaluated and then um 4396 03:25:28,880 --> 03:25:34,080 you know how it's recorded to for the 4397 03:25:32,080 --> 03:25:37,600 public to evaluate. 4398 03:25:34,080 --> 03:25:38,880 » Yeah. So the RDIP is remedial design 4399 03:25:37,600 --> 03:25:39,359 implementation plan. 4400 03:25:38,880 --> 03:25:43,040 » Okay. 4401 03:25:39,359 --> 03:25:46,080 » So that is a document that contains all 4402 03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:48,640 the different plans if you will that 4403 03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:51,520 include all the protective measures. So 4404 03:25:48,640 --> 03:25:54,160 it refers to like the need for the soil 4405 03:25:51,520 --> 03:25:57,680 vapor investigation and that's outlined 4406 03:25:54,160 --> 03:26:00,000 and documented in the RDIP 4407 03:25:57,680 --> 03:26:02,880 and dust control. There's a dust control 4408 03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:05,840 plan that's part of the RDIP. And so 4409 03:26:02,880 --> 03:26:07,200 these documents have been um reviewed by 4410 03:26:05,840 --> 03:26:09,200 the regulatory agency. There's 4411 03:26:07,200 --> 03:26:14,239 concurrence from the waterboard on the 4412 03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:18,000 RDIP for OU2 and I believe for the DTSC 4413 03:26:14,239 --> 03:26:21,200 for OUSM. There's been comments and 4414 03:26:18,000 --> 03:26:22,239 we're waiting for final um approval on 4415 03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:23,520 that one. 4416 03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:26,319 » Okay. So, you're waiting for final 4417 03:26:23,520 --> 03:26:28,319 approval. Approval and then once they're 4418 03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:30,960 established then there will be some kind 4419 03:26:28,319 --> 03:26:32,960 of monitoring. Well, the monitoring gets 4420 03:26:30,960 --> 03:26:34,960 implemented once you know that the 4421 03:26:32,960 --> 03:26:37,760 phasing like so once they start the 4422 03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:39,200 remediation that's when things like dust 4423 03:26:37,760 --> 03:26:41,439 monitoring will be occurring, dust 4424 03:26:39,200 --> 03:26:44,080 control measures and air perimeter air 4425 03:26:41,439 --> 03:26:46,000 monitoring to evaluate the 4426 03:26:44,080 --> 03:26:48,720 protectiveness during construction and 4427 03:26:46,000 --> 03:26:52,080 remediation. 4428 03:26:48,720 --> 03:26:53,359 » Okay. And then also just and um we can 4429 03:26:52,080 --> 03:26:54,880 probably speak more to this too, but 4430 03:26:53,359 --> 03:26:57,920 then once the actions that are 4431 03:26:54,880 --> 03:27:00,319 contemplated in the ARDIP are completed 4432 03:26:57,920 --> 03:27:02,080 um the follow-up step to that is an uh 4433 03:27:00,319 --> 03:27:05,840 operations and maintenance plan, the O 4434 03:27:02,080 --> 03:27:08,319 andM plan, which uh provides for an 4435 03:27:05,840 --> 03:27:11,760 ongoing monitoring and all the 4436 03:27:08,319 --> 03:27:13,279 maintenance requirements that go on to 4437 03:27:11,760 --> 03:27:15,520 make sure that those systems that were 4438 03:27:13,279 --> 03:27:17,600 put in place, you continue to function 4439 03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:20,000 the way that they were intended. Is 4440 03:27:17,600 --> 03:27:21,680 there like designated people to evaluate 4441 03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:24,680 these 4442 03:27:21,680 --> 03:27:24,680 » Themsel 4443 03:27:30,160 --> 03:27:33,720 on the first se 4444 03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:39,359 on the first section? I don't have any 4445 03:27:37,279 --> 03:27:45,000 more questions at this moment. 4446 03:27:39,359 --> 03:27:45,000 » Okay. I have a question. Um, 4447 03:27:45,520 --> 03:27:51,600 there's a part in this section, I'm not 4448 03:27:47,439 --> 03:27:53,359 sure where it is, but it it talks about 4449 03:27:51,600 --> 03:27:56,560 regulatory monitoring until 4450 03:27:53,359 --> 03:28:00,239 concentrations decrease to below 4451 03:27:56,560 --> 03:28:03,359 regulatory levels. Could someone tell me 4452 03:28:00,239 --> 03:28:05,120 what does that mean specifically and how 4453 03:28:03,359 --> 03:28:08,120 is that 4454 03:28:05,120 --> 03:28:08,120 ascertained? 4455 03:28:08,640 --> 03:28:14,960 » I can respond to that one. Um so the 4456 03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:18,640 peract monitoring will occur and below 4457 03:28:14,960 --> 03:28:20,239 the regulatory levels would be let's say 4458 03:28:18,640 --> 03:28:22,479 you're talking about soil vapor like we 4459 03:28:20,239 --> 03:28:24,399 were discussing earlier. So if the soil 4460 03:28:22,479 --> 03:28:26,880 vapor concentrations due to 4461 03:28:24,399 --> 03:28:29,279 biodegradation processes bring the 4462 03:28:26,880 --> 03:28:30,560 levels down to below residential 4463 03:28:29,279 --> 03:28:33,040 screening levels if you're in a 4464 03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:35,520 residential area or commercial screening 4465 03:28:33,040 --> 03:28:37,359 levels in a commercial area. So it would 4466 03:28:35,520 --> 03:28:39,760 be sampling that would be performed to 4467 03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:43,120 make that determination. And so 4468 03:28:39,760 --> 03:28:45,439 typically what happens is the consulting 4469 03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:48,000 firm would do the sampling and if they 4470 03:28:45,439 --> 03:28:49,680 saw and sometimes you need more than one 4471 03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:52,160 round of sampling to show that you're 4472 03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:54,160 below those screening levels then it 4473 03:28:52,160 --> 03:28:57,200 would get reported and recommended to 4474 03:28:54,160 --> 03:28:59,120 the agency to curtail the monitoring of 4475 03:28:57,200 --> 03:29:00,560 soil vapor and then the agency would 4476 03:28:59,120 --> 03:29:02,479 review and approve the data and they may 4477 03:29:00,560 --> 03:29:04,080 say you need two more rounds we want 4478 03:29:02,479 --> 03:29:05,600 four quarters or whatever the 4479 03:29:04,080 --> 03:29:06,720 requirements might be but it's the 4480 03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:09,200 agency that makes the final 4481 03:29:06,720 --> 03:29:10,000 determination. Okay. Thank you very 4482 03:29:09,200 --> 03:29:12,160 much, 4483 03:29:10,000 --> 03:29:13,840 » Council Member Lent. 4484 03:29:12,160 --> 03:29:14,960 » I don't have any more questions on this 4485 03:29:13,840 --> 03:29:17,439 section, Madame Mayor. 4486 03:29:14,960 --> 03:29:20,880 » Okay. So, I have one more. 4487 03:29:17,439 --> 03:29:24,399 » The integrity of the cap itself and this 4488 03:29:20,880 --> 03:29:26,960 came up in the webinar that I attended. 4489 03:29:24,399 --> 03:29:30,160 Who monitors the integrity of the cap 4490 03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:32,080 and for how long? And the if I can kind 4491 03:29:30,160 --> 03:29:34,720 of do table setting, there were 4492 03:29:32,080 --> 03:29:36,560 questions posed in the webinar about 4493 03:29:34,720 --> 03:29:39,680 what if you have a building and there's 4494 03:29:36,560 --> 03:29:42,399 a cap and the cap is compromised 4495 03:29:39,680 --> 03:29:45,680 underneath the foundation of a building 4496 03:29:42,399 --> 03:29:49,040 and someone says something is wrong 4497 03:29:45,680 --> 03:29:50,960 or just picturing all kinds of different 4498 03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:55,120 land settlements. We have that already 4499 03:29:50,960 --> 03:29:58,560 at Sierra Point. um who monitors whether 4500 03:29:55,120 --> 03:30:03,319 the cap is actually performing its 4501 03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:03,319 function and has not been compromised? 4502 03:30:04,319 --> 03:30:08,000 I'll give you a two-part answer. Um part 4503 03:30:06,930 --> 03:30:10,479 [clears throat] one is that there will 4504 03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:12,960 be typically annual inspections of the 4505 03:30:10,479 --> 03:30:14,960 cap to make sure that the integrity is 4506 03:30:12,960 --> 03:30:16,960 maintained and if there's a let's say a 4507 03:30:14,960 --> 03:30:18,319 catastrophic earthquake event or 4508 03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:20,399 something like that, then that would 4509 03:30:18,319 --> 03:30:23,520 trigger an inspection that would be 4510 03:30:20,399 --> 03:30:27,920 let's say off cycle. Um, and then in 4511 03:30:23,520 --> 03:30:29,760 conjunction with the, you know, OM&M 4512 03:30:27,920 --> 03:30:31,680 plan, the monitoring of the cap 4513 03:30:29,760 --> 03:30:33,359 typically, and it's part of the RJI, 4514 03:30:31,680 --> 03:30:36,000 there's a soil management plan. So, for 4515 03:30:33,359 --> 03:30:39,520 some reason, you had to breach the cap 4516 03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:41,279 to do some kind of a deeper repair. Then 4517 03:30:39,520 --> 03:30:43,040 the soil management plan basically says 4518 03:30:41,279 --> 03:30:45,279 you have to have protected workers going 4519 03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:48,239 in, you do the repair, and you restore 4520 03:30:45,279 --> 03:30:50,960 the cap back. So, you're saying that 4521 03:30:48,239 --> 03:30:55,520 because we heard earlier that that 4522 03:30:50,960 --> 03:30:58,080 there's an um the the cap is inspected 4523 03:30:55,520 --> 03:31:00,640 annually after earthquakes or major 4524 03:30:58,080 --> 03:31:02,960 storms. But if there's no earthquakes or 4525 03:31:00,640 --> 03:31:03,840 major storms, is it not inspected 4526 03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:05,520 annually? 4527 03:31:03,840 --> 03:31:07,680 » No, it's inspected annually. 4528 03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:09,359 » It is. And it would just be extra if 4529 03:31:07,680 --> 03:31:10,960 let's say let's say your inspection 4530 03:31:09,359 --> 03:31:12,880 typically happened in January and the 4531 03:31:10,960 --> 03:31:16,160 earthquake was in August then you might 4532 03:31:12,880 --> 03:31:17,040 go out right after that major event to 4533 03:31:16,160 --> 03:31:19,439 check on the cap. 4534 03:31:17,040 --> 03:31:21,680 » And is that done by both DTSC and 4535 03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:22,640 waterboard whichever agency is in the 4536 03:31:21,680 --> 03:31:24,640 jurisdiction? 4537 03:31:22,640 --> 03:31:26,160 » Typically it's the the environmental 4538 03:31:24,640 --> 03:31:28,800 consulting firm that does those 4539 03:31:26,160 --> 03:31:31,600 inspections. Now I do know that DTSC 4540 03:31:28,800 --> 03:31:34,000 will do sort of drivebys, not thorough 4541 03:31:31,600 --> 03:31:35,520 inspections of sites. Um that's just 4542 03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:38,399 part that that's part just to make sure 4543 03:31:35,520 --> 03:31:40,160 that the buildings are standing and um 4544 03:31:38,399 --> 03:31:42,000 the site looks about the same as it did 4545 03:31:40,160 --> 03:31:44,160 previously, but the level of inspection 4546 03:31:42,000 --> 03:31:45,760 that the consulting engineer will do 4547 03:31:44,160 --> 03:31:48,319 will be much more detailed. 4548 03:31:45,760 --> 03:31:50,720 » And is this in perpetuity because over 4549 03:31:48,319 --> 03:31:52,640 years you've got Yes. Okay. All right. 4550 03:31:50,720 --> 03:31:54,399 » Yeah. It's costed for 30 years typically 4551 03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:56,800 in the documents just for cost 4552 03:31:54,399 --> 03:31:58,640 estimating purposes, but the the cap 4553 03:31:56,800 --> 03:32:00,880 inspections would be in perpetuity. 4554 03:31:58,640 --> 03:32:03,760 » All right. Thank you. That's very 4555 03:32:00,880 --> 03:32:05,920 helpful. All right. We're moving on to 4556 03:32:03,760 --> 03:32:09,040 the next subheading which is site 4557 03:32:05,920 --> 03:32:12,040 grading soil testing and clean soil 4558 03:32:09,040 --> 03:32:12,040 design. 4559 03:32:12,319 --> 03:32:16,720 I'm trying to see this person is not 4560 03:32:15,040 --> 03:32:20,319 here. 4561 03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:22,720 They're not here. 4562 03:32:20,319 --> 03:32:25,720 They're not here. Michelle, you're 4563 03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:25,720 online. 4564 03:32:26,880 --> 03:32:31,040 I had a question about the discussion we 4565 03:32:28,800 --> 03:32:33,680 just had about the cap, but it's more 4566 03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:35,439 about um the situation like that 4567 03:32:33,680 --> 03:32:39,520 happened at the in Mountain View with 4568 03:32:35,439 --> 03:32:43,760 the Google building back in um November 4569 03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:46,160 2012 to January 2013. It was a EPA super 4570 03:32:43,760 --> 03:32:50,080 fund study area. So, it wasn't 4571 03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:52,560 technically a land land um landfill that 4572 03:32:50,080 --> 03:32:53,840 was capped. Instead, it was an area, you 4573 03:32:52,560 --> 03:32:56,800 know, where they put in the soil and 4574 03:32:53,840 --> 03:32:59,520 built the building and did all of the um 4575 03:32:56,800 --> 03:33:02,800 HVAC stuff to keep vapors from coming in 4576 03:32:59,520 --> 03:33:04,960 the building. But then 4577 03:33:02,800 --> 03:33:08,000 somebody decided, "Oh, we don't need all 4578 03:33:04,960 --> 03:33:09,439 this HVAC." And uh we have windows. So, 4579 03:33:08,000 --> 03:33:11,439 they turned it off and opened the 4580 03:33:09,439 --> 03:33:16,640 windows and then people started getting 4581 03:33:11,439 --> 03:33:18,800 sick because um uh [laughter] 4582 03:33:16,640 --> 03:33:21,200 tricloral ethylene started coming in the 4583 03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:24,080 building. And that doesn't have a 4584 03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:26,080 closure, you know, like 10 years after 4585 03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:29,760 closure kind of date. It goes on, I 4586 03:33:26,080 --> 03:33:31,439 guess, forever. BC's. And so, how do we 4587 03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:34,640 how are we dealing with that in areas of 4588 03:33:31,439 --> 03:33:36,479 the Baylands where we know that like for 4589 03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:39,600 instance, stopper chemical was there for 4590 03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:43,040 quite a while, making a lot of really 4591 03:33:39,600 --> 03:33:45,359 nasty stuff. Um, how do how are we going 4592 03:33:43,040 --> 03:33:46,800 to deal with that? And and have you 4593 03:33:45,359 --> 03:33:50,880 studied that? Have you covered that? Is 4594 03:33:46,800 --> 03:33:50,880 it in the remediation plan? 4595 03:33:53,520 --> 03:33:56,720 because this this was a real thing that 4596 03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:58,399 happened. People got really sick for a 4597 03:33:56,720 --> 03:34:01,399 couple of months in that Google 4598 03:33:58,399 --> 03:34:01,399 building. 4599 03:34:05,353 --> 03:34:07,680 [snorts] 4600 03:34:06,560 --> 03:34:11,520 » Um 4601 03:34:07,680 --> 03:34:14,319 » Is there is there anybody that 4602 03:34:11,520 --> 03:34:17,040 » I can speak to it. um we represent the 4603 03:34:14,319 --> 03:34:19,200 property owner of that property and 4604 03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:22,319 actually geocentech designed the vapor 4605 03:34:19,200 --> 03:34:24,960 mitigation system for that property. So 4606 03:34:22,319 --> 03:34:26,479 um those buildings were constructed in 4607 03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:29,520 1999 4608 03:34:26,479 --> 03:34:31,200 time frame and at the time of risk 4609 03:34:29,520 --> 03:34:34,080 assessment 4610 03:34:31,200 --> 03:34:37,680 practice and testing that was done there 4611 03:34:34,080 --> 03:34:39,680 was not a potential risk for vapor 4612 03:34:37,680 --> 03:34:43,120 intrusion. There had been indoor air 4613 03:34:39,680 --> 03:34:44,720 sampling in around 2003 2004 that showed 4614 03:34:43,120 --> 03:34:47,279 that there was no problem in those 4615 03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:49,680 buildings. Then Google moved in around 4616 03:34:47,279 --> 03:34:53,200 the time frame that you mentioned and 4617 03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:54,880 when they moved in they had um the HVAC 4618 03:34:53,200 --> 03:34:56,880 system set in a weird way because of all 4619 03:34:54,880 --> 03:34:59,760 the work they had done in the building 4620 03:34:56,880 --> 03:35:01,520 and um indoor air sampling was done and 4621 03:34:59,760 --> 03:35:03,680 they they indeed found that the 4622 03:35:01,520 --> 03:35:06,560 concentrations were above the commercial 4623 03:35:03,680 --> 03:35:08,960 screening levels set at that time and 4624 03:35:06,560 --> 03:35:11,279 they're current at this point in time. 4625 03:35:08,960 --> 03:35:12,640 And so it was actually I I don't know if 4626 03:35:11,279 --> 03:35:15,680 people were there or not. No one got 4627 03:35:12,640 --> 03:35:17,920 sick. this is this is a long-term cancer 4628 03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:20,960 risk. No one got sick. They held town 4629 03:35:17,920 --> 03:35:23,920 hall meetings and communicated with the 4630 03:35:20,960 --> 03:35:25,920 employees and then systems were designed 4631 03:35:23,920 --> 03:35:28,960 vapor intrusion mitigation systems just 4632 03:35:25,920 --> 03:35:31,840 like are planned here if needed. Um and 4633 03:35:28,960 --> 03:35:33,760 they were designed by Geocentech and put 4634 03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:36,560 in and they've been operating and 4635 03:35:33,760 --> 03:35:40,880 they're monitored regularly ever since 4636 03:35:36,560 --> 03:35:44,160 roughly 2014 time frame. 4637 03:35:40,880 --> 03:35:46,080 » Okay. The news on that varied a little 4638 03:35:44,160 --> 03:35:47,279 bit that people did indeed get sick that 4639 03:35:46,080 --> 03:35:48,720 were working in the building. They 4640 03:35:47,279 --> 03:35:51,040 didn't get cancer or anything, but they 4641 03:35:48,720 --> 03:35:53,760 got sick for a while and didn't know 4642 03:35:51,040 --> 03:35:55,760 what was wrong. So, 4643 03:35:53,760 --> 03:35:57,840 and will that be done here on this site 4644 03:35:55,760 --> 03:35:59,359 where wherever there is contamination 4645 03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:01,200 like that that's not part of the 4646 03:35:59,359 --> 03:36:05,640 landfill? Actually, the whole thing's 4647 03:36:01,200 --> 03:36:05,640 landfill, but the uh newer landfill. 4648 03:36:08,800 --> 03:36:12,399 Do you want me to answer? Okay. Um, 4649 03:36:11,770 --> 03:36:15,840 [clears throat] 4650 03:36:12,399 --> 03:36:19,600 so the plan for the non-landfill area is 4651 03:36:15,840 --> 03:36:23,120 once the fill is brought in and the site 4652 03:36:19,600 --> 03:36:25,200 is brought up to grade, there will be 4653 03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:27,279 soil vapor sampling that will be done to 4654 03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:30,319 assess the levels of volt organic 4655 03:36:27,279 --> 03:36:33,520 compounds like tce that you mentioned. 4656 03:36:30,319 --> 03:36:34,880 And if the levels are above residential 4657 03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:36,800 screening levels in the residential 4658 03:36:34,880 --> 03:36:39,439 areas, then vapor mitigation systems 4659 03:36:36,800 --> 03:36:41,520 would be installed in those buildings. 4660 03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:43,520 And what about for buildings that aren't 4661 03:36:41,520 --> 03:36:45,520 residential but that people work in? 4662 03:36:43,520 --> 03:36:48,399 » Then we'll look at commercial standards. 4663 03:36:45,520 --> 03:36:50,479 Same process. 4664 03:36:48,399 --> 03:36:53,120 » And is that in the remediation plans 4665 03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:54,239 that we're seeing in the 4666 03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:55,840 FEIR? 4667 03:36:54,239 --> 03:36:56,800 » Michelle, is there an end to the 4668 03:36:55,840 --> 03:36:58,080 questions? 4669 03:36:56,800 --> 03:36:59,920 » Well, I just want to make sure it's 4670 03:36:58,080 --> 03:37:01,760 safe. Colleen, 4671 03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:03,760 » I been an ongoing thing and I've 4672 03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:05,279 mentioned it before in my comments on 4673 03:37:03,760 --> 03:37:07,920 the draft EIR. Okay. 4674 03:37:05,279 --> 03:37:09,040 » And it hasn't been responded to yet. 4675 03:37:07,920 --> 03:37:11,120 » All right. 4676 03:37:09,040 --> 03:37:12,960 This will be the last question because 4677 03:37:11,120 --> 03:37:14,560 we gave you four minutes and 4678 03:37:12,960 --> 03:37:16,479 » Yeah. No, I'm done. I mean, I just feel 4679 03:37:14,560 --> 03:37:18,560 like we need to pay attention to this. 4680 03:37:16,479 --> 03:37:20,800 » Michelle King will respond to Michelle 4681 03:37:18,560 --> 03:37:22,399 Salmon. [laughter] 4682 03:37:20,800 --> 03:37:26,000 » Um, 4683 03:37:22,399 --> 03:37:28,880 and what was the question again? Sorry. 4684 03:37:26,000 --> 03:37:29,840 » Does the current plan for remediation 4685 03:37:28,880 --> 03:37:34,399 cover this? 4686 03:37:29,840 --> 03:37:36,160 » Yes, it's in the it's in the RIP. Yes. 4687 03:37:34,399 --> 03:37:39,760 » Okay. 4688 03:37:36,160 --> 03:37:42,960 I have a couple other slips but the 4689 03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:45,760 parties are not here. So we will move on 4690 03:37:42,960 --> 03:37:48,560 to council questions starting with 4691 03:37:45,760 --> 03:37:51,520 council member Okonnell 4692 03:37:48,560 --> 03:37:54,640 » For the site grading. 4693 03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:58,800 » This is under the site grading soil 4694 03:37:54,640 --> 03:38:03,120 testing and clean soil design. 4695 03:37:58,800 --> 03:38:08,160 So, I'm hoping that I know that during 4696 03:38:03,120 --> 03:38:09,760 the C BB KAG meeting that the applicant 4697 03:38:08,160 --> 03:38:13,760 and 4698 03:38:09,760 --> 03:38:16,319 the regulatory agency said that the soil 4699 03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:18,479 that's being planned to be moved to from 4700 03:38:16,319 --> 03:38:20,560 the 4701 03:38:18,479 --> 03:38:24,000 east side to the west side as the cap 4702 03:38:20,560 --> 03:38:25,840 had already been tested and they had 4703 03:38:24,000 --> 03:38:29,359 handpicked 4704 03:38:25,840 --> 03:38:32,000 what soil piles were going to be moved 4705 03:38:29,359 --> 03:38:35,279 and I'm hoping that as part of the 4706 03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:39,040 specific plan and the grading plan that 4707 03:38:35,279 --> 03:38:44,160 we can put in or request additional 4708 03:38:39,040 --> 03:38:48,000 testing as it crosses over. Um because I 4709 03:38:44,160 --> 03:38:52,000 think there is a concern that the soil 4710 03:38:48,000 --> 03:38:53,760 that was sampled was handpicked by 4711 03:38:52,000 --> 03:38:55,680 the 4712 03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:58,960 applicant 4713 03:38:55,680 --> 03:39:01,680 um as being newer soil and that there's 4714 03:38:58,960 --> 03:39:03,279 still some concerns about 4715 03:39:01,680 --> 03:39:05,920 who's going to know what pile it's 4716 03:39:03,279 --> 03:39:09,520 coming from. And so I think that it 4717 03:39:05,920 --> 03:39:12,080 would behoove us to be proactive on 4718 03:39:09,520 --> 03:39:14,960 testing and whether that's for 4719 03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:18,560 radioactivity or other contaminants. I 4720 03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:21,760 think that we need to be more concerned 4721 03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:22,319 than just sniff test. 4722 03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:23,920 » Okay. 4723 03:39:22,319 --> 03:39:26,000 » So mine's more of a statement than a 4724 03:39:23,920 --> 03:39:28,880 question, but I' I'd like to see that 4725 03:39:26,000 --> 03:39:30,640 that's written into our specific plan. 4726 03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:32,856 » Okay. 4727 03:39:30,640 --> 03:39:35,920 Council member Lintz. 4728 03:39:32,856 --> 03:39:40,319 [snorts] Yeah. Um 4729 03:39:35,920 --> 03:39:42,000 Stephanie or a member of BDI 4730 03:39:40,319 --> 03:39:45,439 » Council member your mic. 4731 03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:46,800 » Hi. Yeah. Sorry about that. So, um, 4732 03:39:45,439 --> 03:39:48,800 yeah, you know, at the last meeting, I 4733 03:39:46,800 --> 03:39:52,160 appreciated the visuals that that you 4734 03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:53,840 showed. And so, um, 4735 03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:56,479 obviously we're not going to get through 4736 03:39:53,840 --> 03:39:58,960 this particular item tonight, but when 4737 03:39:56,479 --> 03:40:01,439 we come back for the next meeting, it 4738 03:39:58,960 --> 03:40:04,880 would be great to see visuals of the 4739 03:40:01,439 --> 03:40:07,920 grading, what it would look like. Um, 4740 03:40:04,880 --> 03:40:11,840 council member Okonnell uh had mentioned 4741 03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:14,640 uh there was a photo of the CAL train, 4742 03:40:11,840 --> 03:40:17,200 you know, in the in this specific plan 4743 03:40:14,640 --> 03:40:19,680 and it's at grade and so it would be 4744 03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:24,239 good to kind of get an understanding of 4745 03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:26,000 okay, here's here are the the stages. 4746 03:40:24,239 --> 03:40:29,200 What does the west side look like when 4747 03:40:26,000 --> 03:40:31,920 it's graded at the levels at the heights 4748 03:40:29,200 --> 03:40:36,160 that it's supposed to be and how that 4749 03:40:31,920 --> 03:40:37,760 relates with the rest of the area? 4750 03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:42,640 Yes, we can bring that back. We also 4751 03:40:37,760 --> 03:40:44,880 have a slide tonight and we have our um 4752 03:40:42,640 --> 03:40:47,520 soil experts here who did the soil mound 4753 03:40:44,880 --> 03:40:51,120 testing. Um and if we want to pull up 4754 03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:52,880 those slides, we can once again for the 4755 03:40:51,120 --> 03:40:55,920 full council and the folks who were not 4756 03:40:52,880 --> 03:40:58,080 at the BBK meeting um provide some more 4757 03:40:55,920 --> 03:41:02,560 information on the soils that have been 4758 03:40:58,080 --> 03:41:04,800 tested. So those soils were tested. 4759 03:41:02,560 --> 03:41:07,800 Can or Angel can we get the slides back 4760 03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:07,800 up? 4761 03:41:07,920 --> 03:41:13,840 Those soils were tested as a requirement 4762 03:41:10,080 --> 03:41:17,760 of measure JJ. So recall measure JJ said 4763 03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:20,800 any soil that's been mounted and from 4764 03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:24,720 the import export business that's coming 4765 03:41:20,800 --> 03:41:27,200 from the landfill to the railard site 4766 03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:31,760 has to be tested. That's a measure JJ 4767 03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:34,800 requirement already council member. Um 4768 03:41:31,760 --> 03:41:37,200 so that's what we use the city's grant 4769 03:41:34,800 --> 03:41:39,200 the brownfield grant dollars was to 4770 03:41:37,200 --> 03:41:42,080 actually do that soil testing. I think 4771 03:41:39,200 --> 03:41:45,359 we want to see the next slide 4772 03:41:42,080 --> 03:41:48,640 and I'm going to hand this over to 4773 03:41:45,359 --> 03:41:50,399 Lisa Vantessle from Geocentech who um is 4774 03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:51,920 the project senior project manager for 4775 03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:54,960 the work that we've done and and I would 4776 03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:58,399 just also add that EKI your third party 4777 03:41:54,960 --> 03:42:00,880 consultant also reviewed this sampling 4778 03:41:58,399 --> 03:42:03,359 pro protocol and the sampling testing 4779 03:42:00,880 --> 03:42:06,880 that has all been approved by both the 4780 03:42:03,359 --> 03:42:08,720 waterboard and the DTSC. So, um, Lisa, 4781 03:42:06,880 --> 03:42:09,760 can you talk briefly about how we did 4782 03:42:08,720 --> 03:42:12,760 the soil testing? 4783 03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:12,760 » Sure. 4784 03:42:13,760 --> 03:42:19,760 » So, looking at the amount of soil that 4785 03:42:15,600 --> 03:42:23,439 we needed to move using the 4786 03:42:19,760 --> 03:42:25,520 uh aerial surveys and the grading plans 4787 03:42:23,439 --> 03:42:27,200 to build up this layer here. So, the 4788 03:42:25,520 --> 03:42:29,120 landfill is at the bottom, then they 4789 03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:31,680 have the existing cover that was on top 4790 03:42:29,120 --> 03:42:34,800 and then the soil that had been added 4791 03:42:31,680 --> 03:42:37,279 before 2010 and then after 2010. So, our 4792 03:42:34,800 --> 03:42:39,680 goal was to test all of the soil after 4793 03:42:37,279 --> 03:42:41,680 that was placed here after 2010 because 4794 03:42:39,680 --> 03:42:43,359 that had been manifested when it brought 4795 03:42:41,680 --> 03:42:44,960 in. We knew where it came from. It had 4796 03:42:43,359 --> 03:42:48,720 some of it had been pre-screened and 4797 03:42:44,960 --> 03:42:51,279 tested. So, we tested that 1.9 million 4798 03:42:48,720 --> 03:42:53,279 cubic yards of soil. We wrote a work 4799 03:42:51,279 --> 03:42:55,760 plan that included a very elaborate 4800 03:42:53,279 --> 03:42:57,439 sampling plan. The procedures that we 4801 03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:59,680 used are well documented and used 4802 03:42:57,439 --> 03:43:02,640 throughout the industry. And we went out 4803 03:42:59,680 --> 03:43:04,960 there over I think a month or two and 4804 03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:07,600 tested the 1.9 million cubic yards of 4805 03:43:04,960 --> 03:43:10,720 soil. A lot of analytical data. It all 4806 03:43:07,600 --> 03:43:14,160 got reported to DTSC. They reviewed it. 4807 03:43:10,720 --> 03:43:16,239 EKI reviewed it and we decided that 1.8 4808 03:43:14,160 --> 03:43:18,000 of it we could move. It could be used 4809 03:43:16,239 --> 03:43:20,800 for the clean soil cap and for the 4810 03:43:18,000 --> 03:43:23,800 general fill on the on the on the U2 and 4811 03:43:20,800 --> 03:43:23,800 OSM. 4812 03:43:23,840 --> 03:43:28,399 » We know we need if we need more soil, we 4813 03:43:26,239 --> 03:43:29,840 still need more testing to do, right? If 4814 03:43:28,399 --> 03:43:31,600 we're going to move more soil beyond 4815 03:43:29,840 --> 03:43:32,800 what's already been tested, that would 4816 03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:36,000 get tested. 4817 03:43:32,800 --> 03:43:40,640 » If I may, it's going to need to be moved 4818 03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:42,640 to be able to cap the other side. 4819 03:43:40,640 --> 03:43:43,520 That other soil is going to need to be 4820 03:43:42,640 --> 03:43:44,960 moved. 4821 03:43:43,520 --> 03:43:46,800 » Sure. And it'll be need to be tested 4822 03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:48,479 because it that below what we've tested 4823 03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:53,479 hasn't been tested yet. So, that would 4824 03:43:48,479 --> 03:43:53,479 get tested when we need to move it. 4825 03:43:59,920 --> 03:44:05,520 Okay, 4826 03:44:02,720 --> 03:44:08,319 Council Member Kern. 4827 03:44:05,520 --> 03:44:11,520 » Thank you, Mayor Macken. Um, I think I 4828 03:44:08,319 --> 03:44:12,960 understood what you just said. Um, in 4829 03:44:11,520 --> 03:44:14,399 the slide that's being presented right 4830 03:44:12,960 --> 03:44:17,279 now, we've got the tested soil 4831 03:44:14,399 --> 03:44:20,479 represented in red, and it looks to me 4832 03:44:17,279 --> 03:44:22,239 like it's about 10 ft of elevation of 4833 03:44:20,479 --> 03:44:24,800 soil. Is that Am I reading this chart 4834 03:44:22,239 --> 03:44:27,920 correctly? It's give or take. We have a 4835 03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:29,600 little vertical exaggeration. 4836 03:44:27,920 --> 03:44:31,520 We have a little vertical exaggeration 4837 03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:33,760 just to give you a concept of what it 4838 03:44:31,520 --> 03:44:35,279 looks like, but in certain areas it was 4839 03:44:33,760 --> 03:44:36,560 maybe 10 ft. In other areas it might 4840 03:44:35,279 --> 03:44:39,040 have been five and others it might have 4841 03:44:36,560 --> 03:44:41,120 been 20. It it really varied across this 4842 03:44:39,040 --> 03:44:43,760 the site. 4843 03:44:41,120 --> 03:44:46,399 » Okay, this may be a really remedial 4844 03:44:43,760 --> 03:44:48,560 question. Um but how do you delineate 4845 03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:51,199 between the red zone here and the green 4846 03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:53,359 zone? Like how do you how do you know? 4847 03:44:51,199 --> 03:44:56,560 We had aerial topography 4848 03:44:53,359 --> 03:44:58,560 » That we used between what was there at 4849 03:44:56,560 --> 03:45:01,520 the current and then what was before 4850 03:44:58,560 --> 03:45:02,640 that red soil was placed on top. 4851 03:45:01,520 --> 03:45:05,640 » Very good. Thank you. 4852 03:45:02,640 --> 03:45:05,640 » Y 4853 03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:09,319 prochim Davis. 4854 03:45:10,000 --> 03:45:14,319 The final ER says CCL train raised 4855 03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:16,479 concerns that a conveyor over its right 4856 03:45:14,319 --> 03:45:19,600 ofway may not be feasible because of the 4857 03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:21,439 electrified overhead contact system and 4858 03:45:19,600 --> 03:45:23,840 that Cal Train approval would be 4859 03:45:21,439 --> 03:45:25,760 required. What's the city's current 4860 03:45:23,840 --> 03:45:28,760 understanding of whether the conveyor is 4861 03:45:25,760 --> 03:45:28,760 feasible? 4862 03:45:30,399 --> 03:45:35,600 » I think it's exactly as you just 4863 03:45:31,920 --> 03:45:36,880 summarized. Um, so the 4864 03:45:35,600 --> 03:45:39,840 I guess circling back to one of the 4865 03:45:36,880 --> 03:45:41,760 comments we heard that the conveyor 4866 03:45:39,840 --> 03:45:44,399 concept has not been removed from the 4867 03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:46,479 EIR that is still um definitely part of 4868 03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:48,399 the air quality mitigation measures, 4869 03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:49,920 part of the best available control 4870 03:45:48,399 --> 03:45:52,720 technologies 4871 03:45:49,920 --> 03:45:58,399 um for handling this. I think it helps 4872 03:45:52,720 --> 03:46:00,479 speak to a the bigger picture about the 4873 03:45:58,399 --> 03:46:05,359 how remediation will work and and what 4874 03:46:00,479 --> 03:46:07,760 was discussed in the EIR in that the 4875 03:46:05,359 --> 03:46:09,840 final 4876 03:46:07,760 --> 03:46:13,279 hall plan and construction management 4877 03:46:09,840 --> 03:46:16,479 plan hasn't been developed yet. That is 4878 03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:20,640 something that is required to be done in 4879 03:46:16,479 --> 03:46:22,479 the future. And there's a series of 4880 03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:25,439 preferences. I mean, certainly using the 4881 03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:28,479 conveyor would be ideal. Using flag 4882 03:46:25,439 --> 03:46:30,800 people to bring trucks across tracks so 4883 03:46:28,479 --> 03:46:34,000 they don't have to loop around would be 4884 03:46:30,800 --> 03:46:36,160 preferred. Um the ER again, as we were 4885 03:46:34,000 --> 03:46:37,760 talking about before, uh with its 4886 03:46:36,160 --> 03:46:40,800 approach to having a conservative 4887 03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:42,880 envelope of impacts, looks at how trucks 4888 03:46:40,800 --> 03:46:44,319 would go if neither of those things end 4889 03:46:42,880 --> 03:46:48,160 up being feasible or if other 4890 03:46:44,319 --> 03:46:50,640 alternatives aren't available. But they 4891 03:46:48,160 --> 03:46:52,560 are all still things that are on the 4892 03:46:50,640 --> 03:46:54,960 table and will continue to be discussed 4893 03:46:52,560 --> 03:46:56,720 with Calrine because everybody, the 4894 03:46:54,960 --> 03:47:01,120 developer, the city, the neighbors 4895 03:46:56,720 --> 03:47:03,680 prefer to have cross sight movement 4896 03:47:01,120 --> 03:47:06,239 rather than a hall route that uh 4897 03:47:03,680 --> 03:47:08,720 requires, you know, putting trucks out 4898 03:47:06,239 --> 03:47:10,640 on on streets. so that it's not 4899 03:47:08,720 --> 03:47:13,359 something that we totally control which 4900 03:47:10,640 --> 03:47:17,120 is why the EI has to look at what would 4901 03:47:13,359 --> 03:47:20,000 happen if we can't implement it the way 4902 03:47:17,120 --> 03:47:22,960 that we everyone would prefer to um so 4903 03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:25,279 we know what would happen but the plan 4904 03:47:22,960 --> 03:47:26,960 is still to work with CLR to see if some 4905 03:47:25,279 --> 03:47:31,199 of those other interim steps can be 4906 03:47:26,960 --> 03:47:33,600 taken. It seems to me that almost all of 4907 03:47:31,199 --> 03:47:39,120 these 4908 03:47:33,600 --> 03:47:40,880 um strategies are infeasible like given 4909 03:47:39,120 --> 03:47:46,000 the information that we heard from the 4910 03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:49,120 public about the impact on our roads and 4911 03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:51,840 you know assuming that's true 4912 03:47:49,120 --> 03:47:55,199 that would be something that would be 4913 03:47:51,840 --> 03:47:58,640 infeasible right to 4914 03:47:55,199 --> 03:48:00,800 um the citizens of Brit Brisbane. Our 4915 03:47:58,640 --> 03:48:03,040 perspective would be that that would be 4916 03:48:00,800 --> 03:48:06,160 something that would be so catastrophic 4917 03:48:03,040 --> 03:48:10,399 to us. Then you have the conveyor belt 4918 03:48:06,160 --> 03:48:11,920 which is maybe infeasible from Calran's 4919 03:48:10,399 --> 03:48:13,840 perspective. 4920 03:48:11,920 --> 03:48:16,720 And then you have Geneva Avenue 4921 03:48:13,840 --> 03:48:19,920 extension enforcing that to be first 4922 03:48:16,720 --> 03:48:23,040 order of business could be infeasible 4923 03:48:19,920 --> 03:48:26,080 because you may not get collaboration 4924 03:48:23,040 --> 03:48:28,160 amongst all these other agencies 4925 03:48:26,080 --> 03:48:32,399 to fund that at this point in the 4926 03:48:28,160 --> 03:48:34,160 development. So I just wonder how we 4927 03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:36,560 who gets to determine what's feasible 4928 03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:38,880 and not feasible when from multiple 4929 03:48:36,560 --> 03:48:41,600 different perspectives 4930 03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:44,399 something may or may not be deemed 4931 03:48:41,600 --> 03:48:46,319 feasible. Is it I don't know. 4932 03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:50,479 » Well, it has it has to do with like who 4933 03:48:46,319 --> 03:48:54,160 who controls like Cal Train has control 4934 03:48:50,479 --> 03:48:56,880 over what goes over their tracks. So and 4935 03:48:54,160 --> 03:48:59,040 the electrical lines. So they will 4936 03:48:56,880 --> 03:49:01,359 decide if they're willing to accept 4937 03:48:59,040 --> 03:49:03,920 that. Again, another option that that 4938 03:49:01,359 --> 03:49:05,600 you didn't mention is just literally 4939 03:49:03,920 --> 03:49:08,080 driving across the tracks like with a 4940 03:49:05,600 --> 03:49:10,720 signal person who's there to stop trucks 4941 03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:14,640 when trains are are approaching. So 4942 03:49:10,720 --> 03:49:19,120 there's there's multiple steps to 4943 03:49:14,640 --> 03:49:21,120 explore and and go through, but it's the 4944 03:49:19,120 --> 03:49:23,439 each agency I guess that that has 4945 03:49:21,120 --> 03:49:26,319 jurisdiction over one piece of it will 4946 03:49:23,439 --> 03:49:28,479 decide what they what they're 4947 03:49:26,319 --> 03:49:31,040 comfortable with. The other I guess 4948 03:49:28,479 --> 03:49:32,640 thing to keep in mind is we've been 4949 03:49:31,040 --> 03:49:36,239 talking 4950 03:49:32,640 --> 03:49:39,359 the EI again for purposes of being 4951 03:49:36,239 --> 03:49:41,439 conservative to show what the worst case 4952 03:49:39,359 --> 03:49:43,920 noise and air quality impacts would be 4953 03:49:41,439 --> 03:49:45,359 show a very consolidated hall route. 4954 03:49:43,920 --> 03:49:47,840 What we've been talking about tonight 4955 03:49:45,359 --> 03:49:51,680 and what you've heard the phasing would 4956 03:49:47,840 --> 03:49:54,880 take you know in decades. So that is a 4957 03:49:51,680 --> 03:49:59,199 much more diffuse type of of traffic. 4958 03:49:54,880 --> 03:50:01,840 It's not um three trucks a minute for 2 4959 03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:03,840 and 1/2 years. Um because there's just 4960 03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:07,600 not that much happening all at once. It 4961 03:50:03,840 --> 03:50:10,000 won't it's not 4962 03:50:07,600 --> 03:50:11,600 it that's not the illustration of 4963 03:50:10,000 --> 03:50:16,560 exactly what's going to happen on the 4964 03:50:11,600 --> 03:50:19,359 ground. That's the conservative 4965 03:50:16,560 --> 03:50:22,080 um way of modeling what the air quality, 4966 03:50:19,359 --> 03:50:23,840 noise and associated impacts would be if 4967 03:50:22,080 --> 03:50:24,720 it all happened, you know, literally 4968 03:50:23,840 --> 03:50:26,560 back to back. 4969 03:50:24,720 --> 03:50:30,520 » The most extreme 4970 03:50:26,560 --> 03:50:30,520 » Scenario. Okay. 4971 03:50:30,720 --> 03:50:35,920 » Okay. I'm going to dovetail off of your 4972 03:50:33,120 --> 03:50:38,920 question. So, we've heard about overhead 4973 03:50:35,920 --> 03:50:38,920 conveyors 4974 03:50:39,520 --> 03:50:44,000 and we now see with a lot of the 4975 03:50:41,680 --> 03:50:46,800 highways, they have wildlife crossings 4976 03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:48,319 that go underneath highways. 4977 03:50:46,800 --> 03:50:51,120 And 4978 03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:54,000 I'm not even thinking about a 4979 03:50:51,120 --> 03:50:56,720 conventional truck, but if they can 4980 03:50:54,000 --> 03:50:59,040 build small rail cars that go in and out 4981 03:50:56,720 --> 03:51:02,080 of mines, 4982 03:50:59,040 --> 03:51:04,720 am I really to assume that they could 4983 03:51:02,080 --> 03:51:07,520 not do some sort of small tunnel, 4984 03:51:04,720 --> 03:51:09,920 culvert, anything that could have small 4985 03:51:07,520 --> 03:51:12,399 cars that could go underneath the 4986 03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:15,920 railroad tracks that could be built at a 4987 03:51:12,399 --> 03:51:18,160 reasonable cost that that would be an 4988 03:51:15,920 --> 03:51:21,600 investment. for the 30 years because it 4989 03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:25,120 would be there. Versus the increased 4990 03:51:21,600 --> 03:51:26,640 cost of trucks and hauling and dust 4991 03:51:25,120 --> 03:51:28,640 mitigation 4992 03:51:26,640 --> 03:51:30,399 and 4993 03:51:28,640 --> 03:51:32,560 all the opposition people are going to 4994 03:51:30,399 --> 03:51:34,800 have to all these trucks going on 4995 03:51:32,560 --> 03:51:37,040 surface because the the dirt's going to 4996 03:51:34,800 --> 03:51:40,080 move back and forth and back and forth. 4997 03:51:37,040 --> 03:51:43,359 And it just seems to me like one little 4998 03:51:40,080 --> 03:51:46,160 culvert tunnel underneath. Not not one 4999 03:51:43,359 --> 03:51:49,120 to drive a car or truck through, but 5000 03:51:46,160 --> 03:51:52,000 some small conveyance 5001 03:51:49,120 --> 03:51:52,640 cars like I've seen they use in in 5002 03:51:52,000 --> 03:51:54,319 » Mining. 5003 03:51:52,640 --> 03:51:56,479 » Mining. Yeah. 5004 03:51:54,319 --> 03:51:58,560 » Has anybody looked into that? Yeah. 5005 03:51:56,479 --> 03:51:59,120 » How many billions of carts would it 5006 03:51:58,560 --> 03:52:00,800 take? 5007 03:51:59,120 --> 03:52:03,359 » Well, but if [laughter] you I mean, not 5008 03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:06,160 one at a time. It they do it in mines 5009 03:52:03,359 --> 03:52:09,120 and they pull out a lot per day. It just 5010 03:52:06,160 --> 03:52:10,720 seems like that that would be a simple 5011 03:52:09,120 --> 03:52:12,640 solution. 5012 03:52:10,720 --> 03:52:15,600 Has anybody looked into that? Has that 5013 03:52:12,640 --> 03:52:18,160 ever been done? 5014 03:52:15,600 --> 03:52:20,800 It It would not disrupt Cal Train with a 5015 03:52:18,160 --> 03:52:22,160 major big tunnel for trucks to rumble 5016 03:52:20,800 --> 03:52:25,359 underneath their trucks. It wouldn't 5017 03:52:22,160 --> 03:52:27,279 have to be as deep. So, we'd have less 5018 03:52:25,359 --> 03:52:30,080 concern probably about groundwater 5019 03:52:27,279 --> 03:52:31,680 intrusion. 5020 03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:33,040 » They'd have to probably dig through the 5021 03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:35,840 the garbage layer. 5022 03:52:33,040 --> 03:52:39,199 » Yes, you would. 5023 03:52:35,840 --> 03:52:42,000 My understanding is um that is an option 5024 03:52:39,199 --> 03:52:45,760 that is being looked at and uh as well 5025 03:52:42,000 --> 03:52:49,199 as as um Eric had mentioned the uh act 5026 03:52:45,760 --> 03:52:51,600 grade crossing. So um you know to 5027 03:52:49,199 --> 03:52:56,080 emphasize again the uh both the plan and 5028 03:52:51,600 --> 03:52:59,359 the EIR state that um traversing whether 5029 03:52:56,080 --> 03:53:02,720 it's above on or below the Calrain track 5030 03:52:59,359 --> 03:53:06,800 is the first um and preferred route. the 5031 03:53:02,720 --> 03:53:09,199 truck hauling is really a backup. Um, if 5032 03:53:06,800 --> 03:53:11,199 those are all infeasible, 5033 03:53:09,199 --> 03:53:13,760 um, this could be further tightened. Um, 5034 03:53:11,199 --> 03:53:16,160 I'm kind of jumping ahead now, but um, 5035 03:53:13,760 --> 03:53:18,000 you know, there could be proof of having 5036 03:53:16,160 --> 03:53:21,680 exhausted 5037 03:53:18,000 --> 03:53:24,239 um, the options prior to going to truck 5038 03:53:21,680 --> 03:53:25,600 hauling. So, um, you know, there's a lot 5039 03:53:24,239 --> 03:53:28,479 of coordination that would be [snorts] 5040 03:53:25,600 --> 03:53:31,520 needing to be done with CalR and to look 5041 03:53:28,479 --> 03:53:34,239 at these different options. Um, but each 5042 03:53:31,520 --> 03:53:35,760 of those could be a test, you know, 5043 03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:36,560 before you go to the truck hauling 5044 03:53:35,760 --> 03:53:38,640 route. 5045 03:53:36,560 --> 03:53:41,920 » Well, and I I'm just going to add that 5046 03:53:38,640 --> 03:53:45,840 since Cal Train's been studying the 5047 03:53:41,920 --> 03:53:48,000 accidents at great the atgrade crossings 5048 03:53:45,840 --> 03:53:51,120 with a bunch of trucks, that just 5049 03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:53,920 doesn't seem very safe. But that's my 5050 03:53:51,120 --> 03:53:56,960 comment. All right. Um, Mayor Prom 5051 03:53:53,920 --> 03:53:58,720 Davis, questions. 5052 03:53:56,960 --> 03:54:01,359 » Wait, shouldn't it be somebody else just 5053 03:53:58,720 --> 03:54:01,359 asked? 5054 03:54:01,680 --> 03:54:03,920 No, I just asked. 5055 03:54:03,359 --> 03:54:05,920 » She asked right 5056 03:54:03,920 --> 03:54:08,160 » No, but I just asked right before you. 5057 03:54:05,920 --> 03:54:11,920 » It's okay. I mix them all up. 5058 03:54:08,160 --> 03:54:15,600 » Okay. Um, actually, this is still with 5059 03:54:11,920 --> 03:54:18,479 the conveyor. So, timely, 5060 03:54:15,600 --> 03:54:21,120 can anyone tell us what the status of 5061 03:54:18,479 --> 03:54:24,880 discussions with Cal Train have been 5062 03:54:21,120 --> 03:54:28,080 regarding the conveyor? And have we had 5063 03:54:24,880 --> 03:54:30,160 any formal proposal from the applicant 5064 03:54:28,080 --> 03:54:34,359 to Cal Train or the California Public 5065 03:54:30,160 --> 03:54:34,359 Utilities Commission about this? 5066 03:54:40,479 --> 03:54:45,120 Yes, we have. 5067 03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:47,840 There's no formal application yet, but 5068 03:54:45,120 --> 03:54:50,800 as you know, um, and I think as staff 5069 03:54:47,840 --> 03:54:53,359 pointed out, our preference is to 5070 03:54:50,800 --> 03:54:56,080 somehow move the soil and still stay on 5071 03:54:53,359 --> 03:54:59,359 the property. So, is that over the 5072 03:54:56,080 --> 03:55:01,920 railroad track? Um, with the new 5073 03:54:59,359 --> 03:55:05,439 electrification, Cal Trains is very, 5074 03:55:01,920 --> 03:55:07,040 very concerned about those are very 5075 03:55:05,439 --> 03:55:08,560 delicate lines. I mean, it's all 5076 03:55:07,040 --> 03:55:10,560 exciting that they've electrified, but 5077 03:55:08,560 --> 03:55:13,439 we're really talking about like 18th 5078 03:55:10,560 --> 03:55:15,920 century technology here. These are just 5079 03:55:13,439 --> 03:55:17,600 wires that are hanging off posts and you 5080 03:55:15,920 --> 03:55:20,000 know they've already had trouble with 5081 03:55:17,600 --> 03:55:22,399 eucalyptus trees falling on them and 5082 03:55:20,000 --> 03:55:24,160 there was a fence that fell and you know 5083 03:55:22,399 --> 03:55:26,560 takes them. So they are very very 5084 03:55:24,160 --> 03:55:29,279 concerned about anything going over 5085 03:55:26,560 --> 03:55:32,720 right now the lines. We have discussed 5086 03:55:29,279 --> 03:55:35,439 with them options and um madame mayor it 5087 03:55:32,720 --> 03:55:37,683 is not crazy to talk about going under 5088 03:55:35,439 --> 03:55:39,840 with some kind of a 5089 03:55:37,683 --> 03:55:41,359 [laughter] some kind of we we I don't 5090 03:55:39,840 --> 03:55:43,279 think we looked at carts because I think 5091 03:55:41,359 --> 03:55:46,000 that would be too small but we have 5092 03:55:43,279 --> 03:55:49,920 looked at potentially the conveyor going 5093 03:55:46,000 --> 03:55:51,920 under um and and those we have we have 5094 03:55:49,920 --> 03:55:54,399 been having 5095 03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:56,000 to answer Councilwoman Davis's 5096 03:55:54,399 --> 03:55:58,960 questions. Yes, we have been having 5097 03:55:56,000 --> 03:56:01,680 ongoing conversations with Cal Train for 5098 03:55:58,960 --> 03:56:06,160 the last five to six years about how we 5099 03:56:01,680 --> 03:56:09,520 could get somehow over, under, or just 5100 03:56:06,160 --> 03:56:12,000 across the tracks and to keep because we 5101 03:56:09,520 --> 03:56:14,479 don't want to do trucks around town. it 5102 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:17,439 doesn't that's the least favorable 5103 03:56:14,479 --> 03:56:19,680 option for us but we still have to work 5104 03:56:17,439 --> 03:56:21,840 out an agreement with with Calrans and 5105 03:56:19,680 --> 03:56:27,760 they are and those those discussions are 5106 03:56:21,840 --> 03:56:30,720 ongoing and you know if we get entitled 5107 03:56:27,760 --> 03:56:33,279 soon hopefully those those discussions 5108 03:56:30,720 --> 03:56:39,600 will of course escalate with him. I 5109 03:56:33,279 --> 03:56:43,120 wonder too if this is a way a an 5110 03:56:39,600 --> 03:56:46,960 an opportunity for us to engage with our 5111 03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:49,840 representatives at the state level 5112 03:56:46,960 --> 03:56:53,279 to see if they may be able to support 5113 03:56:49,840 --> 03:56:55,680 putting pressure on Cal Train to approve 5114 03:56:53,279 --> 03:56:57,359 that. So if you feel that the city has a 5115 03:56:55,680 --> 03:56:58,080 role to play and 5116 03:56:57,359 --> 03:56:59,600 » Absolutely 5117 03:56:58,080 --> 03:57:00,560 » Advocating 5118 03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:04,479 for that 5119 03:57:00,560 --> 03:57:06,080 » Yes we can use supporters for the our 5120 03:57:04,479 --> 03:57:07,760 proposals 5121 03:57:06,080 --> 03:57:08,080 anywhere we get them. 5122 03:57:07,760 --> 03:57:10,399 » Yeah. 5123 03:57:08,080 --> 03:57:14,840 » Great. 5124 03:57:10,399 --> 03:57:14,840 » Okay. Council member Okonnell, 5125 03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:22,319 » I think mine go into the next topic and 5126 03:57:19,760 --> 03:57:25,040 we only have four minutes so 5127 03:57:22,319 --> 03:57:26,800 » Probably best not to. 5128 03:57:25,040 --> 03:57:28,960 » Okay, 5129 03:57:26,800 --> 03:57:30,720 Council Member Kern, do you have a fourm 5130 03:57:28,960 --> 03:57:31,920 minute question or less? 5131 03:57:30,720 --> 03:57:36,000 » You know, let's see. I've got two here 5132 03:57:31,920 --> 03:57:38,160 to choose from. Um, let me uh Yeah, let 5133 03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:39,840 me ask one of the gentlemen in the green 5134 03:57:38,160 --> 03:57:41,279 shirt and the blue tie to the left of 5135 03:57:39,840 --> 03:57:44,239 Jeremiah. I'm sorry. Sorry, I can't read 5136 03:57:41,279 --> 03:57:46,640 your name tag from here. 5137 03:57:44,239 --> 03:57:49,760 I still can't read it, but it's okay. 5138 03:57:46,640 --> 03:57:51,600 Um, my question to you is about the geo 5139 03:57:49,760 --> 03:57:54,319 composite that you mentioned a little 5140 03:57:51,600 --> 03:57:56,479 bit earlier. I'm I'm I'm c categorizing 5141 03:57:54,319 --> 03:57:59,600 this under the clean soil design 5142 03:57:56,479 --> 03:58:01,199 category here tonight. Um, I went down a 5143 03:57:59,600 --> 03:58:03,120 little rabbit hole and it says the life 5144 03:58:01,199 --> 03:58:06,080 expectancy of this geo composite is 5145 03:58:03,120 --> 03:58:09,520 between 30 and 100 years. That's quite a 5146 03:58:06,080 --> 03:58:12,399 span. Um, how will you know if that 5147 03:58:09,520 --> 03:58:16,080 fails at year 35? What will be the 5148 03:58:12,399 --> 03:58:18,239 telltale sign that you know the water is 5149 03:58:16,080 --> 03:58:20,399 not being collected as you're planning? 5150 03:58:18,239 --> 03:58:22,239 I I'm just curious. 5151 03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:24,640 » Yeah, that probably gets into the design 5152 03:58:22,239 --> 03:58:27,040 part of the landfill and I believe 5153 03:58:24,640 --> 03:58:28,560 you've got the one of the 5154 03:58:27,040 --> 03:58:30,399 representatives there with BDI that 5155 03:58:28,560 --> 03:58:32,960 would be on that design. 5156 03:58:30,399 --> 03:58:34,960 » Okay. So, that's not the clean soil 5157 03:58:32,960 --> 03:58:36,080 design that we're talking about right 5158 03:58:34,960 --> 03:58:37,600 now. 5159 03:58:36,080 --> 03:58:38,160 You're talking about that drainage 5160 03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:40,960 layer, right? 5161 03:58:38,160 --> 03:58:43,199 » Yeah. It's not it. 5162 03:58:40,960 --> 03:58:44,960 » I think I mean you can ask the question, 5163 03:58:43,199 --> 03:58:46,000 but just want to direct it to the right 5164 03:58:44,960 --> 03:58:46,960 person who 5165 03:58:46,000 --> 03:58:50,000 » Okay. Thank you so much. 5166 03:58:46,960 --> 03:58:52,960 » Hi, Steve Fallon with NGO. Um, generally 5167 03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:56,000 those lifespans have to do with um like 5168 03:58:52,960 --> 03:58:58,720 solar degradation. Typically, if if the 5169 03:58:56,000 --> 03:58:59,920 material is going to be buried, you're 5170 03:58:58,720 --> 03:59:01,520 not going to get the same kind of 5171 03:58:59,920 --> 03:59:04,720 degradation that you have. they're made 5172 03:59:01,520 --> 03:59:07,359 out of plastic uh or like a polyurethane 5173 03:59:04,720 --> 03:59:08,800 or it depends. Um and then also which 5174 03:59:07,359 --> 03:59:11,760 product we choose has different 5175 03:59:08,800 --> 03:59:15,439 lifespans. Um but those things are all 5176 03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:17,120 graded also. So the cap um is 5177 03:59:15,439 --> 03:59:19,439 impermeable. 5178 03:59:17,120 --> 03:59:22,160 As water comes down, it hits that layer 5179 03:59:19,439 --> 03:59:25,439 and then travels because it's sloped. So 5180 03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:28,880 we we would see some sort of change in 5181 03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:32,399 the in the flow of water um over time 5182 03:59:28,880 --> 03:59:32,399 too, but that's unlikely. 5183 03:59:32,640 --> 03:59:35,920 I know we're almost out of time, but 5184 03:59:34,160 --> 03:59:36,880 then what would be the action you would 5185 03:59:35,920 --> 03:59:39,040 take at that point? 5186 03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:40,960 » So the other piece of it is that that 5187 03:59:39,040 --> 03:59:42,560 that particular piece of the 5188 03:59:40,960 --> 03:59:45,359 infrastructure 5189 03:59:42,560 --> 03:59:47,120 isn't working on its own. Um the other 5190 03:59:45,359 --> 03:59:49,760 part of it is the permeability of the 5191 03:59:47,120 --> 03:59:51,359 soil. So if water just generally like 5192 03:59:49,760 --> 03:59:53,760 groundwater for example, groundwater 5193 03:59:51,359 --> 03:59:56,319 moves without one of those things in 5194 03:59:53,760 --> 03:59:59,840 place. So when water comes down and and 5195 03:59:56,319 --> 04:00:02,960 hits that impermeable cap, it will move 5196 03:59:59,840 --> 04:00:04,239 already. Um that particular 5197 04:00:02,960 --> 04:00:06,560 infrastructure will just help it move 5198 04:00:04,239 --> 04:00:08,640 even better and even faster. So you're 5199 04:00:06,560 --> 04:00:10,720 not you're just going to get a less 5200 04:00:08,640 --> 04:00:12,399 optimal condition, but it would still be 5201 04:00:10,720 --> 04:00:13,120 operating. 5202 04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:15,439 » Thank you. 5203 04:00:13,120 --> 04:00:18,319 » Yeah, 5204 04:00:15,439 --> 04:00:19,920 your part 5205 04:00:18,319 --> 04:00:22,000 » Council member Lent, 5206 04:00:19,920 --> 04:00:22,720 » I have a very quick Cal Train question. 5207 04:00:22,000 --> 04:00:25,920 Madame Mayor, 5208 04:00:22,720 --> 04:00:30,960 » Go for it. So um if the council approves 5209 04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:34,000 the specific plan and we cannot 5210 04:00:30,960 --> 04:00:37,520 find a solution with Cal Train, then 5211 04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:40,000 does that mean the truck hauling trips 5212 04:00:37,520 --> 04:00:43,880 will occur to move the soil from the 5213 04:00:40,000 --> 04:00:43,880 east side to the west? 5214 04:00:45,120 --> 04:00:49,279 » Yes. Ultimately the the last choice is 5215 04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:51,600 to use the streets. 5216 04:00:49,279 --> 04:00:55,040 » Okay. And 5217 04:00:51,600 --> 04:01:00,279 Okay. And there isn't any I guess there 5218 04:00:55,040 --> 04:01:00,279 really isn't any other choice. Um, 5219 04:01:00,319 --> 04:01:05,439 kind of getting to your situation, 5220 04:01:02,399 --> 04:01:09,520 Madison, you know, you have these these 5221 04:01:05,439 --> 04:01:11,760 situations that might not be I mean, I 5222 04:01:09,520 --> 04:01:14,479 guess it could be feasible, but it might 5223 04:01:11,760 --> 04:01:16,080 not be very ideal and it' be extremely 5224 04:01:14,479 --> 04:01:19,199 disruptive. 5225 04:01:16,080 --> 04:01:23,040 And does it mean then the the city has 5226 04:01:19,199 --> 04:01:27,120 to just suck it up and take it? 5227 04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:28,560 Sorry for the direct uh comment but or 5228 04:01:27,120 --> 04:01:32,160 question. 5229 04:01:28,560 --> 04:01:35,199 » I mean again we the 5230 04:01:32,160 --> 04:01:37,439 mitigation measures look to 5231 04:01:35,199 --> 04:01:40,720 be able to mitigate impacts to the 5232 04:01:37,439 --> 04:01:43,040 greatest extent that is feasible to do. 5233 04:01:40,720 --> 04:01:45,920 Um beyond that though if yeah if you 5234 04:01:43,040 --> 04:01:49,359 approve a project 5235 04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:51,520 then yeah dealing with some of the the 5236 04:01:49,359 --> 04:01:53,920 impacts that can't be mitigated is is 5237 04:01:51,520 --> 04:01:56,319 part of that. 5238 04:01:53,920 --> 04:01:59,600 I'll just uh add you know there would be 5239 04:01:56,319 --> 04:02:02,160 a construction management plan um and so 5240 04:01:59,600 --> 04:02:04,960 the EIR is not providing that the EIR is 5241 04:02:02,160 --> 04:02:07,439 is kind of outlining a scenario 5242 04:02:04,960 --> 04:02:10,160 particularly for the air quality 5243 04:02:07,439 --> 04:02:11,680 analysis but um there would be a 5244 04:02:10,160 --> 04:02:14,640 construction management plan that could 5245 04:02:11,680 --> 04:02:17,920 cover things such as hauling hours um 5246 04:02:14,640 --> 04:02:21,199 avoiding school and commute peaks um it 5247 04:02:17,920 --> 04:02:25,040 could have a routing plan um so the one 5248 04:02:21,199 --> 04:02:28,720 that's shown in the EIR is a concept, 5249 04:02:25,040 --> 04:02:31,040 but it's not a plan. So, um, and people 5250 04:02:28,720 --> 04:02:33,120 have already noted some deficiencies in 5251 04:02:31,040 --> 04:02:37,120 that as it relates to some of the roads 5252 04:02:33,120 --> 04:02:38,640 that do not allow the heavy trucks. Um, 5253 04:02:37,120 --> 04:02:40,479 there would be things like the hotlines 5254 04:02:38,640 --> 04:02:43,120 for complaints, published monitoring 5255 04:02:40,479 --> 04:02:45,359 reports, street cleaning, uh, repair of 5256 04:02:43,120 --> 04:02:49,040 damage, which would be um, developer 5257 04:02:45,359 --> 04:02:52,319 funded and, um, emergency services 5258 04:02:49,040 --> 04:02:54,640 review. Um, so there would be a lot of 5259 04:02:52,319 --> 04:02:58,720 details that that would be involved 5260 04:02:54,640 --> 04:03:02,840 before any such hauling could occur. 5261 04:02:58,720 --> 04:03:02,840 » Could we require a helicopter? 5262 04:03:03,840 --> 04:03:09,279 » Okay, we are at a bewitching hour. So I 5263 04:03:06,560 --> 04:03:11,120 would like to know um, Council Member 5264 04:03:09,279 --> 04:03:13,840 Kern, did you actually have more 5265 04:03:11,120 --> 04:03:14,880 questions on this section? 5266 04:03:13,840 --> 04:03:16,960 » One more. 5267 04:03:14,880 --> 04:03:18,319 » And Council Member Lent, do you have 5268 04:03:16,960 --> 04:03:20,640 questions on this section? 5269 04:03:18,319 --> 04:03:20,960 » I I do. And I could wait till the next 5270 04:03:20,640 --> 04:03:22,960 time. 5271 04:03:20,960 --> 04:03:25,040 » Well, I I'm just trying to gauge how 5272 04:03:22,960 --> 04:03:26,800 many 5273 04:03:25,040 --> 04:03:28,479 » Because we could just stop here and 5274 04:03:26,800 --> 04:03:29,680 we'll just continue this section. 5275 04:03:28,479 --> 04:03:30,399 » I have six. So, we're definitely 5276 04:03:29,680 --> 04:03:30,880 stopping. 5277 04:03:30,399 --> 04:03:33,359 » Okay. 5278 04:03:30,880 --> 04:03:35,920 » Okay. Good. 5279 04:03:33,359 --> 04:03:38,880 » That being said, 5280 04:03:35,920 --> 04:03:40,800 » I'll make a motion I'll make a motion to 5281 04:03:38,880 --> 04:03:44,000 continue the public hearing to the 5282 04:03:40,800 --> 04:03:45,040 meeting of October 20th, I think. 5283 04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:45,600 » Correct. 5284 04:03:45,040 --> 04:03:47,359 » Second. 5285 04:03:45,600 --> 04:03:49,520 » October 22nd at 5286 04:03:47,359 --> 04:03:52,800 » No, I'm sorry. October 20 a.m. 5287 04:03:49,520 --> 04:03:53,760 » October 20th. That's the new date. At 5 5288 04:03:52,800 --> 04:03:54,560 at 5:30 5289 04:03:53,760 --> 04:03:55,120 » 20th 5290 04:03:54,560 --> 04:03:56,000 » 20th. 5291 04:03:55,120 --> 04:03:58,080 » Second 5292 04:03:56,000 --> 04:04:00,319 » At 5:30. 5293 04:03:58,080 --> 04:04:02,399 » 1st and a second. All in favor? [snorts] 5294 04:04:00,319 --> 04:04:07,319 I. Anyone opposed? No. 5295 04:04:02,399 --> 04:04:07,319 » Thank you everyone. Have a good evening. 5296 04:04:13,828 --> 04:04:15,848 [music] 5297 04:04:25,618 --> 04:04:27,638 » [music] 5298 04:04:30,204 --> 04:04:32,224 [music]