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the city council committee meeting for
Monday September 16th 2024 and the first
thing on our agenda we're going to have
a presentation by Mr lefon on the
uh survey that we should have gotten in
the mail regarding the water Mr lefon
service really just a little bit of an
informational session you brought
um few weeks back we uh we did contract
with the company through a grant to send
surveys out to Property Owners within
the city of s to meet the new
regulations from EPA with regard to
letting coer that new rule is to uh is
Ban all lead services in 1986 all uh
containing solder containing lead it was
all banned in
1986 uh now there is a push to do
surveys of all the properties within the
city with new expace actually the whole
country to see which services are still
L and then the next phase of that would
be how to remove them so um most
Property Owners would have gotten these
um it was the best way to do it some
Property Owners may get them through
their um their service for esro for
their Banks it'll be on the website
hopefully with the two-day Insurance
neity um people who don't know there is
a way to test one lead which is this
year part of the boo neck magnet W stick
the lead okay that's what they're trying
to remove
um the city allows copper 1in copper um
and we do allow uh CPS pipe which is
positive um most people now are going
with the CPS pipe because it's a
fraction of the cost compared to what
copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t
roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100
ft of plastic is about
$120 so um residents can go with plastic
and the only thing they have to do is if
they're currently grounded through their
electrical Panet to the pipe that's in
the ground they has to remain grounded
if not they have to call an electrician
electrical permit and put two grounding
rods in to the electrical inspector's
office to ground the new service or
their house
um what EPA does after the surveys are
out it'll be a work in progress cuz we
don't get into we're not going to get
into 16,000 houses um you know in the
next few months but it'll be a work in
progress and uh once that's done that
survey has to be posted on the website
in the EPA format so anybody can access
it and look up the property and see if
it still has a lead service or c service
um so I did want to come in and inform
you that these are out so people do
contact you please try and get them to
contact the water department send the
self card in to uh 120 water and or if
they want to do the self test um like I
said we'll schedule appointment with
them to actually go out to the house
determine whether they fling copper I
know it's very difficult getting in
people's basement nobody wants you in
their house I'm not there to look at
anything other than the
PIP so I don't know if the council has
any questions if you do these realter
these surveys now so if someone has a
lead pipe they have to get it replaced
no um if they touch the Water Service
like currently right now they have to do
any work underwater service it is leg
they have to bring it to code but if
it's currently in the ground until EPA
tells us has to be removed and currently
who's going to pay for it because the
city doesn't own services we own the
mains property owns service from the
main into the house so it's not been
determined
yet right now they're just doing the
survey so so um my h on the paper was
kind of my other question um sometimes
low lower income homeowners have grants
available so is that anything that's
been there we had a grant a few years
back for go around 560,000 we did about
100 service lines to you know people who
knew the grant was available they had a
el service the uh license plumber in the
city we contact our plumbing inspector
we W verify that it was led if it was
led that property owner um received the
service re charge to the grant so
hopefully um EPA the federal government
will come up with money
because it's you know it's millions of
dollars we have 16,000 properties this
would affect almost any house that would
built pre 86 that was when the r came to
effect so the assumption is if your
house was built before
1986 it probably has lead unless it was
a a replace service cuz you already went
B on you replaced it with
copper and the other anybody else
questions M pck um just two quick
questions um when are the surveys due
back and oer okay of this year we'll
have hopefully the surveys back in or a
part portion of them okay um the company
we have working with us will put the
data into the EPA format uh that'll get
sent to EPA and we'll just continue
working to gain entry to more more
houses is the Sur I I know you said the
results will go on our website is the
survey instrument itself on our website
okay no and surveys has got to be
developed in the sense the data is going
to be put in and 120 water is doing that
okay and we're getting we're we're
keeping a list downstairs and the water
department personnel scheduling
appointments to go out to Residents who
do call in and just you know want
somebody other than themselves to verify
what they have going into the house
thank you if if it's an unknown you
considered it a leted service so we say
unknown it's going to be considered
Le anybody else pa um you mentioned um
about cost and the EPA is not discussing
that that the EPA is not discussing cost
or who's going to bore the cost at this
point in time is that something that you
can try to find out from them as to who
going to be responsible for the
cost I I we we can look into it but I
think what they're trying to figure out
right now
is you know in s alone if you have
16,000 Services you know what do you say
um 15% maybe you know Leed still we're
not sure so we've gone we're going
through our data which are old um
tapping cards
um to help update everything um you know
so it's it's a it's a process you know
you just trying to find tapping cards
from the 7s or 80s you know you're up in
the archives in the Attic so um one of
the easiest ways to actually get into a
basement and look at the pipe scratch
the pipe see if it's l see if it's
copper see if it's
plastic other questions you didn't have
to bring copy of the survey uh with you
I didn't get one to me I have a paper
copy I can what I'll do is email it out
I can email it some and I can email the
most fre oh this one this one you got a
C
your just so people kind of see what it
is and know it's not junk
mail that
conf so kind of looks like this says and
so if they scan this QR code they scan
the QR code they can respond to through
this okay so all right and then just the
other side well that just says residence
so doesn't oh no it is okay so if you
get these in the mail it's not jump mail
they need to complete the surveys and if
they want you all get is call downstairs
from 9 and we set the okay any other
questions thank thank you very much
thank for bringing the uh the uh prop
the next meeting
for thank you
all right we'll begin with the public
safety so I like to call the Public
Safety Committee sub order we have three
items on the agenda tonight first of
which is the discussion of traffic
safety measures within the city city
Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr
Williams um I'd like to
ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I
brought 10 copies but nobody's here
we're here this is a continuation of a
discussion that we've been having about
traffic safety and traffic calming
measures
thank you for bringing me of course
hello so September 16th traffic update
hope me get my a little docky I
apologize that this TV seems to always
be on the
pr
uh turn it
on and there we're away all right
so the first thing that we wanted to
talk about this is going to be when I do
these updates we're going to kind of go
with a little bit of agenda but also a
little bit of where we have to go so one
of the first things that we talked about
is to put these into place uh officially
what we'd like to do is in talking with
the corporate council's office is modify
the city code to authorize the city
engineer as it states uh to have uh
section a new section which we're
calling traffic cing measures which
authorizes a city engineer to install
traffic cing measures on designated
streets uh as it's written there it is
of course totally changed this was a
draft that was put together um but it is
the idea that it authorizes myself with
your permission to install things that
we talked about at the previous update
which is speed bumps humps red light
cameras SC zone speed cameras we can
even put a little bit of you know and
similar devices and in there just so
we're not coming back for every little
thing um this is something that would
require a public hearing I believe
because we would be amending the city
code um so if this is what we' like to
go forward with I think this would be
the the top priority uh to get it into
the public hearing process to move
forward so that we could do that and I
provided you the language in your in
your handout there um just moving on if
we're going to be doing this uh and
calling on public hearing about my roles
one of the things that has come up is I
also liked I haven't even talked to Sean
about this I'd also like to amend this
section of my duties which has to do
with um use of streets and sidewalks
what we did was and I'm sure you're kind
of aware is we've transitioned a lot of
enforcement to codes and we've
beautified all the enforcement in the
codes Department however we never
changeed the charter as it's custom here
we don't really update the charter as
quickly as we should and so the charter
says that it's the commissioner of
Public Works Paul or the assistant city
engineer engineer who does not exist the
assistant city engineer was a PE
physician and I don't believe it's
existed for about 20 years um and those
are the two people that Shall Serve
notice to people for sidewalk violations
um so you know we have sidewalk
violations that do occur from time to
time so I am requesting um that this be
change to commissioner Public Works city
engineer or uh the codes department so
that we can have the codes officers uh
write this as part of their uh duties so
while it's not part of the Traffic
Safety in a way if we're going to call a
public hearing and discuss uh the duties
of the city engineer I would love to be
able to modify this so it's cleaner I
have another one
for thank
you on slide three so uh so these were
the first two things that we uh I wanted
to talk about was the modification C
code city of authority uh the second
thing that I wanted to talk with you
about today uh would be the speed table
procedure it was something that we
provided before uh with the city of
Rochester I modified it just a little
bit simplified some areas of it there
you go Sam and I'd like to
get um committee comments on it I I do
think that it may be appropriate I don't
we don't we don't do it much but to meet
actually uh with the committee possibly
and not turn these Council meetings into
workshops um I I don't know how we do
that but you know there's decisions that
have to be made before we move forward
with a lot of these items and I don't
know if this is the right venue to have
these kind of Workshop discussions so
just so you know since we've been having
these kind of things there's been
committee meetings being held okay
terrific so s that so what you have in
front of you is is a speed table
procedure I'm summarizing it up top
where we're saying that you know there'
be five steps this is identical to
Rochester just modified for the city's
connect where you're talking about a
letter of request in-house evaluation
traffic study and then the consideration
of other factors uh the highlighted
portion is where I just like to go is
that they use a 75% petition um we don't
have a petition that is that high so
then I would ask that the council come
up with a number that is uh you know
could be 7 5% could be 50 could be 80
but I just want to make sure that that
number I would like the council to be
able to set similarly uh on the bottom
on Section six there's a section about
parallel
streets and if you kind of were to read
this whole thing and gloss over it it's
one of those little worded sections that
could be a nightmare um so I will like
direct you to where I grew up I grew up
on Arsley road which is right by the
high school Arsley road is a great examp
example road that I just happened to
grow up on because Ardsley Road is you
have the high school the parking lot is
literally empty on Arsley Road and you
have Union Street so cars drive that way
so if you get a petition from Arsley
Road and they say we really want speed
HTS and we put them there Waverly and
Phoenix directly parallel right next
door so then you start pushing then you
get to mclen then you get to Parkwood
you get to Glenwood and Rochester
actually you know really they kind of
they had stronger language it was
essentially if there are more than one
parallel Street you're denied they don't
even want to get into it and I don't
want to go down that road yet because
this is a new process but I wanted to
point out that on those particular
streets the other streets I was thinking
about are in neighborhood such as woodan
where if you go into woodan we have very
long straight runs of roads where if we
put them there uh the particularly
there's the four I don't remember off
the to my head but there's four roads
that go right through from Albany Street
to the wood preserve there's a long
straight Road so if we put speed pumps
on one of them are we forcing them to
the others um
Gord it's that it's that level of just
making sure we have the understanding
that we don't want to solve a problem on
one street but push the problem to the
others um so and with regards to this
that's why you know Brian is here uh
Canon because we've been working he's
been using uh the data from the city
Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and
working with our vendors he's pulled
some data he's actually shared it with
myself in the police department I don't
want to make it public yet because we're
still working out some of the Kinks on
what we really believe is is feasible
and not feasible um but that could be
maybe the next update this one I want to
show you that like I'd love to get the
code moving get this kind of going with
this procedure so that we know what
we're doing and then we can focus on
where the actual tables themselves are
going um the next part of that is I say
tables I just wanted to bring this up
we've been doing a lot of research on
this um and we know we're not the first
so because we're not the first I'm not
acting like we're inventing anything
here we're just implemented so the table
that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was
what is called a speed table on the left
you go up it's flat for a little bit and
you go down there are speed PPS what
Albany has are speed humps up down so
one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you know or 26
ft depending so we have these two
different so if you were to go to almany
they have humps we used a table the
tables are better for really high volume
roads um one of the differences I think
the main difference and I don't want to
you know I know you're probably going to
say Chris whatever you'd like to do but
I just want to talk and tell you what it
is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue
was we don't need to reduce the speed we
just don't want you speeding so a speed
hump you will drive and it'll have a
sign it'll say speed hump 15 miles an
hour you got to slow down to 15 go over
to speed hun and then keep driving the
speed tables we specifically designed
and pick that they're meant for 30 m
hour you drive 30 m an hour you go up
you go over you go down if you go 40 m
an hour it's going to be really
uncomfortable so that was the idea the
thought was and this is work said
working with the PD working with John
kucho at the time was that if you had a
speed hump and you reduce that speed to
15 you would want to make it up you
would want to go up over okay that was
annoying I got to go fast and then up up
over and I'm going to make it up um we
didn't get that complaint with these
speed tables I don't remember hearing
that about the the the going fast
portion of it but I did want to point
out that the majority of locations are
using pumps which are a little bit
smaller more manageable with tables uh
but I I I haven't decided which way I
really want to go but I just wanted to
state that is the reason if we do use
speed pumps most likely even if 25 mph
we will have to put a advisory sign that
the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so
we have to reduce the speed over the
hum table we wouldn't
have um also we have some standard
sheets just to let you know this is you
know what a speed table would look like
this is off the do so this is what kind
of we're working on once again we're not
trying to reinvent the wheel similarly
uh signage this is what I I'm going to
be forwarding to Paul with Bond and
Brian uh about this is what we're
thinking is that like right now this is
if we were to use a speed table we would
we would put what the speed limit is
because we're not going to have speed
limit signs on every road once we go
through this uh you know hopefully the
lowering of the speed limit so we would
say okay the speed limit is 25 there's a
speed table ahead here's the speed table
that would be the procedure of advanced
warning and then the as you see on the
road they use a very unique now system
of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft
wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a
5ft wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight
and it goes and then when you get to the
the speed table it's an arrow so it's a
it's a very uh distinct amount of
striping to get to that point so right
now this is uh what we were calling our
our our signage and striping package
that we would be working with with Brian
SPD to implement um if this is this is
specific to a speed table I didn't have
time to put one together for a speed
hump the only difference would be that
white speed limit sign would be a little
yellow sign that would be saying
probably 20 or 15 because youd have to
slow down
so so if let's say this is with the
speed table so it was a speed hump are
you saying you would need the 25 mph in
addition to that you would need an
additional sign right around the speed
PP we for the 15 so we would put it's a
little misleading because those signs
aren't meant to actually be above above
each other they're just meant to show
ones here ones further back the advisory
sign would be directly attached in
beneath that speed table ahead sign to
advise you that you have to go slower
over it the only difference would be
most likely is that we would mod
probably put a speed limit sign on the
other side just you know this is what
the speed limit is just to remind you
what the speed limit is but the the
speed humps the advantage of the speed
hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz
they're smaller
um but I just I'm like I said I try to
deal in transparency and we did not
install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue we
used specifically designed speed tables
for our speed limit which was at the
time 30 so it would work perfectly fine
in 25 and those are the comments that we
got with for a speed table but I have
the entire Albany uh city of Albany um
PL set I have their procedures Albany
has a similar procedure that they have
adopted by the council um
I pretty sure I could share I wasn't
comfortable sharing it now but I'm
pretty sure it's all public to share um
uh that's what they developed and
they're using pumps in their project in
Hamilton Hill so um in terms
of we only did one that one street like
that's that's the only feedback we got
was from that one street so all the the
other places that we talked about people
felt you know giv yeah the next one was
supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't
do that we haven't gotten any of that
yeah so we're basing everything just on
that one uh right now yes right now well
I'm not only basing off of that but
that's why I'm trying to use the Albany
study in some other areas to try to pull
in information of just what people are
doing um but yes for our local we've
only used that system once on that road
okay so um I have a couple questions so
um just on that one still so that does
make the Assumption I think that we
would lower the speed limit to 25 that
this is all off that's why I put it
there that we are going be lowering the
speed limit on local roads to 25 yes
okay it's based on that okay great I'm
happy to hear that um and then on the
sidewalk one I thought and this did
happen before I was on Council but I'm
pretty I thought that we had to have a
petition and that that too was I thought
the number was 75% but um cuz that that
language isn't in here about having a
petition I I think the city Charter
still stands up 25% right 25%
so if if if residents on a street had a
25% of the residents so shouldn't that
be we're putting it in um for the speed
tables should we be putting it into
that's you know that's a different if I
can interject as kind of a different Pro
process you're looking at it something
of a fluid situation whereas if you're
talking about Improvement districts that
goes to property taxes and that's in the
city Charter which is a total different
oh element I I I get the distinction
okay so it's it's okay thank you
different and I just um I do think that
it would be great to have a special you
know if we needed to talk about this
more to have a special Public Safety
Committee meeting as we did the other
day so I just want
that any other questions or comments Mr
U Mr sometime back we had asked um you
to kind of give us a clost breakdown for
these um speed table or speed home were
you able to get a class for how much one
be yes no I didn't put anything together
yet the signage we would most likely be
able to do in house do you think FR
we're not talking about too many
signs yeah yeah we were looking at two
four six signs posts and then the the
black um notices you see that those are
delineators just so in case I just threw
those in there each side of it just for
plow purposes that's one thing you do
you put you know this where the front
and the back of them would be so the
plows know where they are that's what
those are um the speed tables themselves
they're asphalt they're not very large
um I I mean I can get a I can get a
pretty accurate appr from one of our
vendors
but $25 to $50,000 for for one I don't
think it would be you know too too cost
prohibitive for putting one in maybe we
do it when we pave some of the road and
that can be you know absorbed into that
get a little bit more um efficiencies
out of it if we pave the road at the
same
time on the
removables on the removable H that we
purchased last year
$6,000 or that's put
16 just just follow so
Mr budget is end of this month is it
possible for you to consider maybe put
that in your Capital um so what I have
in my capital budget going for next year
I have a meeting with Anthony but
usually what I request is somewhere
around a million half $2.5 million for
General Paving which is above and beyond
what the state gives us and in that we
usually leave it open and we call it
know it used to be called road paving
program now we call it the street
Improvement program and we leave the
bond language a little bit more open so
that this would be under that program so
that's how we would be doing things is
that can you can you create a separate
line for Speed table speed home and
allocate money on just so it's budgeted
just you see it yes I could ask Anthony
to do that yes well yeah it would be a
smaller one yes
something any just would doing that
based on estimates at this point in time
yes Mr yeah oh I just want to
logistically uh go through this if I can
right now if you all want to I I
provided uh the draft ordinance to you
which is Incorporated in slide number
two if you want to go with that you
would have to have a public hearing now
the public hearing would either be you
know the same night you're doing the
public hearing for the budget in mid
October or putting it out for the second
meeting in in in October and then
regarding the the language and then the
uh the speed table request procedure we
would do is after you have your public
hearing vote on the ordinance that same
night you could do a resolution end
endorsing the policy whatever you may
agree to because section two of that
ordinance will will uh uh has the U
process where you're uh agreeing or
inputting on the uh on the uh on the
guidance issued by the city engineer so
logistically you know for thinking ahead
here you know it's up to you what you
all want to do public hearing is because
of the way the schedule is is not going
to be until the the public hearing for
the the
budget you may want to think about
putting it off to the end of October
because you'll have a full plate of sure
on that night for the budget so we could
do you know if you want this language we
could do you know pass out tonight the
resolution calling for a public hearing
but the public hearing would be at that
second me in in uh
October FR so yeah I was just wondering
about it's like I know that you're
saying that we have a pretty limited
data set just because we only use that
on doing ad but don't we have some data
like our Smart City stuff and you know
some of those some of the other uh kind
of traffic sets we've been doing
collecting data around like uh street
warer is that is any of that data would
that be applicable to this we can say
okay this looks like more trouble we
have data but that's what I was is uh as
Brian myself and the and the police
department are using that data to
identify areas that would be best
probable areas to put these systems but
it wouldn't help us with them cuz we
don't have anything like this out there
Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and
like I said we just used yes it was that
one case study to to move forward and
and we can identify it was
uh but no I I don't think I don't think
the data that we have today we could use
to justify you know the success in one
of these cuz we don't have anything out
there this these are these are different
kinds of systems and these are
they're they're very unique to have on a
public prob you know even use to in
parking lotes and things like that I
don't think we can make that and Bri you
disagree with that I no
so miss Patrick but we do have the
example of the city of Aly and the debt
and all that they've been doing that we
could look to correct and I work with I
work with uh with them quite a bit and I
also work like I said we're working with
the cap region Transportation Council
and we can work with them I'm not I'm
not
too I am not too concerned about if they
will be effective it's just where they
will be effective and getting the
policies and procedures right so that
you know we're we're the one kind of
steering with the implementation of them
and how they're placed because I think
it was a good study I really do think
that the way having the study was a good
study and we got good results in Albany
you know they clearly saw it was good
and they're making the investment and
you're seeing this as to combat it um
and we like I said we're using the data
to pull it together we're looking at
it's it's a it's a tool it's not the
tool but it is a tool just like last
presentation I said these are all the
tools that we have
and I I think that we could start
looking at the new ones that I didn't
bother talking about speed cameras or
bus cameras or things like that but all
those are are useful tools when used
correctly um well just um so with the
1.5 million for Paving or I think you
said um with that also I mean I guess I
just want to make sure that we have
enough money um or at least we have the
ability to discuss whether we're going
to have enough money um if we were going
to do the cameras or um you know any
other kinds of traffic caling
measures um I I don't know how the it
like traffic cameras and that I don't
know how that would work um with regards
to paying money um but I mean so
somewhere in the budget I mean it
doesn't have to be in the paving line
but yeah would You' like to see if we
could put something yes okay please Mr
for so I just want to be clear are we
going to be doing are we going to be um
doing Runway Road
before this you moving forward with this
is there going to be a pilot over there
as well I know that was our intention is
it still going to happen this year at
all we can do it at all yes this year it
will be difficult Mr so the the Smart
City things that we've implemented th
far and it's kind of similar question
but just from a different position I'm
kind of thinking about what M Patrick
was saying can is is any of that
technology is it applicable for us to
use the data and or maybe leverage some
of that existing technology to use as
far as like maybe the corporation of
traffic Camas I'm just trying to think
like is there another application to
some of that smart City's money that's
been spent and can we leverage that to
help
within I I don't believe so at time if
the cameras if the cameras could detect
the plates which they may be able to and
detect the speed we're not legally
allowed to tick it for to send out
notices I don't believe I mean that was
like what we're talking about is we
could buying the camera is just the
material item but the the step that we
need to complete is the legislation
request it's kind of similar what we're
doing here is that I know that it just
feels completely bureaucratic and like
we're not doing anything but working
with uh the legal office you know this
is what we're saying is that if we can
really get the code change the policy
form in place and some of these details
worked out it'll set us up so that next
next year because you know we're going
into October that next year we're we're
ready we're planning in the winter we're
bidding in the spring and next year we
kind of have a plan of what we're what
our our attack is so that we're hitting
the ground running um I mean it's very
similar what we're talking about with
the speed limit reduction um you know so
I talked with the the crtc today and
Brian and you know what they're doing is
they're consulted Brian sending over our
our signage plan they're doing some
traffic surveys and just to reiterate
you know that's why what this says 25
mph Mr I have
no uh hesitation or or or thought about
local roads going to 25 it's the half
dozen to a dozen roads that are in that
that area so they asked what do we want
to look like you know and it's Broadway
what is Broadway you know Broadway is
the one street that goes this way I
didn't know knowing the geography of the
city like I know we all do Union Eastern
State Albany right they all go that
Broadway is the only street that goes
that way all right so I just like can
you look at it can you give me your
opinion on what Broadway is same thing
where it's splits the Gilder you know
we're looking at it from a traffic from
a density you know uh a little bit of
eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie
bouevard is changing and maybe the
speeds aren't high enough anyways um so
there's certain streets you're going to
be looking at but 95% of the roads we
know the recommendations is going to be
they local they're 25 and we're also
stating if you look in your procedure
which I didn't think that you know had
time to read that whole thing is that
part of that is saying we really only
want to put these traffic control
devices on local
roads we we I had that in the
presentation slide last time which was
the the emergency routes the arterials
we really you don't want to go driving
down State Street and then all of a
sudden oh my God there's a Beed that's
not that's not appropriate you know we
want to keep you we actually want
traffic to go onto State Street we want
traffic to go on the Union Street you
know that's one of those things like
mlen Street for example I know that it's
primarily residential but you want the
traffic on mclen street that is the main
route you don't want the traffic to go
onto Parkwood or Arsley you want and
then you know the residents that are on
those
streets it's it is what it is that is a
a more of a collector grow um so you
just have to you try that's the that's
the fear is if you start doing you start
getting people onto that um but it's a
it's a balance that we're trying to do
and I think that's actual a really good
Segway my one question right two was
related to the minimum distance for K
streets that 500 ft um and then the
second part is can you talk about that
makeup speed so the one question is 500
ft would most of our local roads like um
meet that condition and the second is
does the length of the street have
anything to do or does it affect the
that makeup speed we're talking about
with putting in pumps all right brief
cuz I know what you're talking about
so you're talking about streets of less
than 500
and uh so the first question was um the
500 ft didn't have a minimum distance of
500 ft between existing stop signs or
traffic signals it it's just trying to
put something where it's a short block
you don't have something in the middle
500 ft we're looking at um I believe the
the original one that we're looking at
was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it
down a little bit um and and that is one
of the issues that we're going to see is
that's where this is really going to get
a little complex is that if we do this
on a longer Road there's quite a few
that we're going to start installing and
the road is going to you know one of
there's a road in colon that was one of
the first to do this by a school um I
can't remember it's right off of uh San
Creek Road I believe but they have speed
speed humps all the way down um and they
have to be spaced appropriately so you
so you know what you're what to expect
as you go
but I I'll look in but the idea is is
that you just don't have one on a very
short
block and then a second question was in
the actual PowerPoint I think it was the
first actual Slide the Article 2 traffic
regulations I know we've talked a lot
about stop signs and LED lights do you
think that'd be an appropriate Landing
space for that to be included I know
you've talked about like the true
definition of traffic calling measures
but I think in my head and
conceptionally of a lot of members in
the community they would see those as
also um so would you think that is
appropriate to put or add to that or
does it already capture that yeah Mr
chairman if I can yeah I I think that's
already captured it matters under the
city Authority crosswalk safety zone
traffic Lanes traffic control U signals
Etc so those types of issues I think are
addressed earlier also referring to the
uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and
traffic law so those issues regarding
stop signs are are are addressed earlier
I think what the you know Mr wallan was
concerned about is because we're getting
into a realm of Cafe traffic calming
devices which are a
different uh entity than a stop sign uh
speed hum speed speed traffic tables Etc
tra um um school zone cameras
Etc that wasn't in the code and that's
why the city engineer was looking for
that new new section to create that
because it just didn't Envision those
types of devices but the more
traditional devices the stop signs Etc
that's already in the in the engineers
Authority we did something similar to
this 8 years ago where our parking
sections of the code which is also under
city engineer Authority did not
anticipate apps or kiosks the the
parking code only made reference to
meters and coins and tokens so we had an
issued a token
in you know about 15 years 20 years at
that point so we we updated the code so
this is similar here that the traffic
calming measures and these are even
phrases that weren't said when when was
traffic calming
was I think I just want to say that I
think one of um Mr wall suggestions was
um adding and similar devices at the end
of that first sentence so that might
cover some but also you know but not
limited to I think that's radens it you
know another these are examples so as
new types of devices are developed you
always put that in there so it's not
limited it's just those are the types of
devices that will go into that section
yeah I think often times that
specifically with like job applications
they put that as or other duties as aign
so I think to those around the table and
I imagine some those that you work
closely with this is common language but
just breaking it out for some people who
are Tuning In For the First Time hello
then it also includes other areas as
well um so unless there are any other
questions or comments
um I think Mr O'Brian you asking for us
to public hearing public hearing so we
need to move for a public hearing Mr the
only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you
were asking about um doing this and
having the passing the resolution on the
same day I'm you know I'm a little
reluctant to do that you can do that
it's an option you can it's an option
people come to speak at public hearing
and if people come we don't want to say
okay no going to move ahead so prer to
stretch that out and what I let me just
clarify I mean when you pass the
ordinance when you pass the ordinance
creating that new section it's not in
the public hearing of doing that on the
same NE what I'm saying is that when you
pass the or after you have the public
hearing the week transpired you goes to
committee one more time at that point
you'll be looking at the the the the
policy and guidance and then you'll be
looking at the Ordinance one last time
and then you can pass both out at the
next time and I'm saying is the
resolution for the uh the uh the
guidance can go at the same time and
then you pass the ordinance that's
clarification thank
you so unless there any other questions
or further um
breakdowns so we're moving to call for
public hearing to amend CH section
24811 and to CH 228
19 yes so second second all in favor hi
uh then next are you enjoying the
traffic safety presentations I am okay
there's a new thing for me to do a
presentation thank you very much thank
you just point clarification that will
be the the second meeting in October yes
we're going to call for the public
hearing but we're not going to have it
until the second meeting in October yes
okay so the second item on the agenda
tonight is uh discussion to amend city
code chapter 182 um last week we're able
to have a special meeting which I
thought was very informational and
allowed us to have a very detailed
conversation uh about the matter so just
wanting to snapshot uh what was
discussed I broke it down into three
areas enforcement law and Council so the
enforcement it was identified that noise
complaints are a low lower priority
calls which delay response times and are
restricted to Staffing constraints
however there will be future discussions
to expand uh to incorporate drones as
Force responders pending statutory uh
obligations uh areas of focus are going
to be communicating noise complaint
warnings during ship change uh
increasing education to inform offenders
of potential fines and a potential
permit process uh three seeking Clarity
on appearance tickets uh and four
granting officers the ability to seize
or remove noise reproducing
equipment uh the next area which was law
identified that plea Agreements are
commonly sought out to limit the volum
of Trials and increasing uh fee
collection and justifying attempts to
enforce penalties in full will require
or was recommended uh to increase
penalties uh to support more frequent
Court appearances and then the areas are
focused in that area was uh how many
fines were collected in 2024 uh what
information is needed to charge to file
charges or penalties uh advising
religious or cultural ceremonies of
proper concept or potential permit
processes again and then evaluating
penalties against
installers uh the next area which was
the council or think us uh was there
appeared to be an equal consensus with
raising and keeping penalties at their
current level uh the areas of focus um
identifying reviewing code and penalties
against Vehicles pets construction and
Firework noise offenders uh posting
signage to monitor noise and parks with
non-emergent police numbers and then
updating chapter 183 which noise
ordinance to raise point value for noise
complaints and then overall I just
wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor
commissioner nine assistant chief
antonovich and Miss barash for
acknowledging this greater issue or
growing issue and placing an important
emphasis on educating our community and
then in um wanted to just capture
everything next steps were to identify
chapter 183 uh to review the process for
civilian complaints and their needed
documentation and a ating the penalty
schedule in addition to evaluating a
potential permit process moving forward
so at this time I want to ask if there
are any Ms or any further comments about
the event from the
colleagues the only thing I you said
chapter 183 was a noise when
it okay just want thank you for people
listening other than that I think that
you've captured what we had a and you
know if you don't mind we had a we had a
a lengthy discussion an hour and a an
hour and a half which I think is very
beneficial but it just goes to what Mr W
was actually saying why it's important
that we have those kind of committee
meetings outside of um the meeting here
so we can really dive in and and have uh
other individuals who need to be there
to give us information there so thank
you for pulling that together absolutely
I um I was just wondering um did you
mention the discussion that we had and
you might have um about how do we get
people to change their behavior and be
more respectful of their neighbors in
terms of that education
yeah I wrote that into like the greater
like educating our community um but
definitely I appreciate um making sure
that that is also captured that's a huge
part as well Mr yeah Jan just add to
that very good detail um description I
had ask um Corporation Council to look
into legislation in terms of um
loudspeaker and the exhaust if we can
able to legislate that locally here as a
state law but uh or Corporation Council
um is looking into that if we can do
something local and also drone as a
force responder if we need legislation
for that if we're going to use the Drone
as for responders so that we put some
protection to our Police Department
whenever that is um used as a for
respond and the same thing also to AC
you mention forit legislation on and
forit application as we move forward to
in this
section thank you any other questions or
comments Mr Patrick I don't I mean I
know I uh sent late uh my suggestions
based on our meeting on Friday and I
didn't know if others did but can we try
to I mean I don't know I guess the next
step we have to continue this discussion
so could we um maybe have if if other
council members and and Mr Williams's
comments that he just made it would be
great to have all those in front of us
and to help us prepare for when we do
that the next discussion or I would say
I took into consideration so these were
not all inclusive like my thoughts it
was a capture of the event and then what
I received so far oh okay
okay and then mrb had your hand rais
again yeah I'm regarding vehic and
traffic while we look under there um
there is
a currently in the code a section on
noisy vehicles um that covers a number
of
situations um and that uh
so these vehicles is it's looking under
1824
uh we can also look that look at that in
conjunction with anything the vehicle
and traffic law that also deals with
loud mufflers etc for for violations of
the state vehicle and traffic law and
regarding the issue as to drones and
that one we have to be very careful
about that um invasion of privacy Etc um
because drones um have to be used in a
very circumstan type Manner and
um um so that will require research but
it's could be peering into areas that
you're not supposed to be peering into
because it's one thing to have cameras
on a in a public way just thing is going
into private areas one must be very very
careful and uh also technology wise do
we have the technology to do that do the
officers have the ability to capture
sounds off of that and also regarding
when they're responding to the scene do
their body cameras pick up those types
of what as they're approaching the scene
is it is it picking up the the the sound
in in in realistic terms and whether
that can also be downloaded to be used
in a at a court seed so those are
obviously legal and technical issues
that have to be
addressed Qui and actually some those a
couple the Drone specifically I brought
up because I had concerns about what
people would be thinking about drones
flying over their houses because they're
having a party um but uh commissioner
Divine was here so we did ask them to
concern you know to bring information
about whe whether or not that's
something that we could do
legally um so and you're right it does
has have about the noise in the
ordinance already but we the um the
modified Mufflers was one of the things
which is actually in here but uh that
was there was that one and there was one
other thing about the cars okay well I
mean there may be something in the VNT
law the vehicle and traffic law that
will address that as well so we can we
can take a look at that so for the next
meeting I think it would be helpful to
have that if there's anything within the
vehicle and traffic wall to have that
information provided for us as well
sounds good far just really quick and
and you guys might have covered this
point I'm just wondering about when we
you know respond
and timeas O'Brien's point there
different you know are all the you know
body cans are they all you know equipped
to measure whatever sound deciel that
we're at right this first cuz right now
I know that you know from my
understanding it are they shaking their
head enough so what they told us at the
meeting was there's no there's they
don't have any deso meetings right now
it's whether you can hear it within 50
ft so if you have really good hearing
are not so great here uh so that's what
um assistant chief right anovich um said
that within 50 ft is the guideline right
now you can hear it within 50 ft and
it's too
L concerned
about sounds like you guys were
addressing some of the um cultural
celebrations and things like that I just
think since already on I just kind of
highlight that make sure that because
leading things up to a certain level of
discuss cause
you can um unintentionally un
perpetually you know some biases and
again it's a tough thing to talk about
but you probably just make sure that
that's at the front of our mind have
this
conversation and then to that point I
think just trying to evaluate areas in
which the code can be responsive to our
changing Society while still being
adherent to like emerging technology and
its um uh and this impact on people's
lives IE the drones um but then also how
do we use technology that's coming in um
to leverage to really reduce or improve
I'd say say quality of life for for
residents so I think this wi has a
really big emphasis on just people being
aware of the impact of their actions um
then also understand there's no perfect
solution so the thing we kind of started
off with was this issue noise is not
something that's specific or unique
to but I do appreciate how our city is
very uh open and acknowledging of these
types of issues and seeks to address
them head on so I think with
conversations continuing I think we'll
continue to position ourselves to
address this m point so there any other
questions or
comments yeah just as a followup
regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh
under 1825 with standards reasonable
noise our code incorporates by reference
a section of the vehicle and traffic LA
will we'll discuss that in detail next
time that section so um everybody knows
what that that entails um and the uh the
uh
1825 mentions that section regarding
automobiles but it also goes through a
whole list of criteria which is but not
limited to so it's it's the whole it's
is it's broad dealing with that with
that issue it's it's included but not
limited to it's a whole different
factors the time of the day weather is
noise the duration of the noise so um
those are all factors that our current
ordinance already covers but we will
take a look at that and uh report back
regarding vehic on traffic
law incorporation which is good that
that it's already that law is already
Incorporated by reference into our our
stat our ordinance so that's good
andrick is 50 foot um that we discussed
instead of the decel the 80 decel
reading is that in your it is in your
okay it's
no I know but um basically it was
explained to us that rather than using
that they're using the 50
50t measure because it don't want the
device right but yeah so not I mean I
think we we're going to go to our
meeting other meeting and really discuss
it more but actually in our in our code
it refers to 25
ft when uh assistant chief anovich I
think he was talking about the vehicle
traffic um about another ordinance
because in here it says 25 clearly
25 so that's um on page no I got it see
that any other questions or comments
hearing
on so moving on to the last agenda item
is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the
civilian police review
board uh
hello um Anthony Jud has shown interest
in participating in the civilian police
review board his resume was brought
forth by deine and Carl brought it forth
to the mayor um the mayor did meet with
him on Wednesday August 28th and those
want to proceive and appointing him to
the
board yeah so thank you for that so
um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him
he's been here sever times maybe know it
was but one of the two gentlemen that
have been coming here to meetings um
pretty consistently and uh showed an
interest and they actually forwarded
their resume and and Miss paler and Mr
Williams just trying to make sure I got
pushed through the process so there was
two of them that actually were
interested and so one of them the mayor
met with yes and chose um Mr J yes to be
there you have questions
comments motion second second all those
in favor I are there any items to call
Public Safety hearing may have motion to
adour so move so move second CL in favor
I we
are I would like to call the finance
committee to order on the fourth item is
the
2024 2025 final annual action plan
allocation Vice Miss
car good evening City Council Members
I'll bring before you a updated Revis um
version of our 2024-25 annual action
plan after another review with HUD we
had to make some slight adjustments to
our plan to make sure that we were
aligned with our regulatory caps that we
need to adhere to so I listed them out
um we had to lessen our home admin by $
7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat
Humanity funding project by $ 7,127
15 Habitat for Humanity home is a Cho
and we have to have a minimum of 15% of
our allocation go towards Cho and it's
the one home project that had room um to
still increase and we moov two cdbg
projects and recategorize them in our
nrsa area which is our neighborhood
revitalization strategy area and those
include the Empowerment Center and boys
and girls club we move them because if
they are in the nrsa area they don't
have there is no C so it allowed us to
continue the funding with the other
items under just regular cdbg which has
a 7.5% um allocation
cap the ACT today is um for city council
to accept the new the revised annual
action plan um with the Amendments
indicated questions
comments seeting down may have a motion
to move this
forward second all in favor I thank you
thank you thank you the next item is the
police department fees and revenue
proposal assistance
rle so back in last year when we were
going over the budget um one of the
items take away from the budget was um
looking at our fees some of our fees are
outdated and this is a step that I have
taken after the budget into this year to
kind of look at it and um here we are
today with the police department
presenting their fee
proposal assistant chief it's all yours
okay thank you very much uh so we're
going to start off there's believe four
different areas where I think the fees
can be increased uh to start
with we will go to the false alarm fees
uh right now we'll get into what the
extra false alarm fees are in the next
slide but a false alarm is charged after
four free false alarms within the city
so if there's basically we go to
someone's business or the residents four
different times uh for false alarm for
faulty wiring or um the failure to
maintain their alarm system we go there
four times for free and the fifth one we
charge $25 the second one we charg 50
third 75 and 125 Beyond from there so in
2022 we took in a total of
13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year
date we taken in 35,000
it's section 124 is actually of the city
code gives us what the persistent false
alarm actually is um the yellow is what
I propose as a change um one word goes
from the two from the four to the two U
this was last adopted in 1996 as
well and the penalties for the offense
are would stay exactly the same uh is
the the code
itself uh determines what a persistent
false alarm actually is so that the
penalties would stay the same so all in
all if we move the free alarms from 4
down to two uh the city could expect
between 20 to $25,000 a year in
additional Revenue the reason why as
it's important that we do this is uh
people do have the options to get these
fixed so we're not spending all of our
time there most these police calls
involved all of them should by protocol
have two officers go so sometimes it's
two cars sometimes it's one car with two
officers but whenever there's an alarm
um it's a higher priority call and
actually it's like the loud music calls
um it's we take everyone seriously like
it's a Burg in progress or something
serious going on so we go lights and
Sirens there stuff happens um it
increases the danger for the officers
and other people in the city so by doing
this um hopefully it gets people
motivated to get their alarms fixed and
also if they don't it will generate more
revenue for the
city can we we ask questions during the
presentation ex up to have I ask
question as we go for
slide so go ahead please okay my
question is my question is um if you
could just go back to the uh slide where
it's talking about yeah the
fees I they're they're low those fees
are low um I'm don't building on the
discussion that we had the other evening
about the noise complaints yes ma um so
I'm I'm just wondering if other people
feel like those are really low and
should be increasing them or thinking
about increasing them so I will say that
I dropped the ball on this and on other
ones I have uh recommendations or
information from other towns and cities
this one I did not look up what
other well we did look at it because
we're actually dropping the amount of
free calls from four to two so there
will be more Revenue in the back end so
yes we can increase it but at the same
time we're expanding no I I
either way we are still getting in
Revenue additional revenue of um on high
$25,000 and that's a best estimate okay
great go ahead so yeah I I would
agree pck I think that she's referring
to that that increasing those fees I
would say increasing the fees as well as
um you know reducing the amount of
quotequote food CS I think that um but I
guess my question is now this includes
on like fire alarms
business this is not fire alarms I know
the fire department is working on
something else this is just the false
alarms of Security Alarms okay okay they
I believe that they are working on
something as well okay
good oh sorry how successful are we at
collecting the fees that we currently
have and know so I don't have the Law
Department actually does that for us so
I don't know I don't know off hand okay
I don't know you go back to current um
data this is what we have in previous
years yeah currently yeah but that
doesn't tell me how many calls there
were for the
income so I can get you that as well our
Lieutenant on midnights he puts
everything together and sends out our
Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly
and I can have I can figure out how many
times I guess oh I guess lot the farm
actually but they but they bill out from
there so I can follow up with the answer
to that great so were we looking for a
list of the calls no not at all so in
2022 let's use that for an example we
know the income is
13,750 we do not know what the income
was generated from how many calls there
were how many false alarms there were
because we we just don't know the number
so how many false alarms it take to
generate that amount of money in that
year and and also did every false alarm
actually get paid did people actually
pay it after when they were built so
there may have been like let's say we
build I don't
know 100 or something and then did it
all 100 people pay or did only 75 people
pay so we don't know that data so it
would be helpful when we we see the
income we just don't know what generated
the
income when we were going through this
you had a list of all the
calls snapshot of some of the calls is
that you can use that very same report
to generate um previous years and to see
um to attach the collection to that yes
so I should be able to go back I know
have 24 and 23 I know previously the I
questioned the um why there's such a
different number in there and I believe
it was how we provided data to the live
department when they actually build them
out so I think there was a change in
process along the way but I can look to
see if I can get a number of how many
people actually build and how many paid
I can see if we get a
Redemption no sorry so I two points
definitely to miss Patrick's Point I
would like to see the fees increased cuz
one of my thoughts is what is the
opportunity cost or what is the cost of
the officers responding to that and
going to another incident throughout the
city um but I also want to kind of
caution us at finding that right balance
SO waiting to see what your um research
provides because although fees are
Revenue generating like you go too high
and then you can kind of zero out that
line so definitely it does require a bit
of finesse
absolutely what whates what is the
suggestion to
raise i' would like to see what other I
don't have I don't have a
suggestion I just want to say that when
we consider as we're talking about these
fees these aren't the only fees we're
talking
about I want to make sure that you know
we just aren't like feing people piure
yes we have to definitely look at the
big
picture so we can come back to this way
in terms of the
feed the next one is a much smaller one
it's a records
fee we currently charge $20 for somebody
who asked for a letter of Good Conduct
or a uh letter for criminal history to
show that they are they don't have a
criminal history um some people want to
provide it to businesses or landlords
that I'm being told we only you about 50
of these a year it's not a very common
thing um I believe it was 2000 was the
last time you looked at and it was $20
back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to
that unit would raise ,000 $2,000
depending on how many
um employers we get for the year but
that is
a go ahead please um so for so for
number three when you're ask talking
about the U arrest files Etc how far are
you looking I mean we just looking at
Connected are we looking in New York
State I don't have that answer I will I
can look for you I believe that is a all
of all state I believe I believe that's
all New York state but all New York
State I believe so I could get an answer
for that from our records and the other
second part of that you say it says free
to authorize agencies uh what
constitutes an authorized agency and why
aren't they pay paying
for as well as an individual I believe
that's like another Police Department or
a establishes fees only for the police
department so I believe that would be
for uh FBI New York State Police they'll
send us records back and forth and I
believe that's was put in there to limit
that but I I don't have the official so
just if you so to expand on that just
like say for instance you want to hire
somebody and you can you get this
information as well can I ask the police
department for that if I'm interested in
hiring someone no if I want to well if
we're going to hire somebody then we
have to F bre you want somebody else
have to sign off on it and he would have
to authorize you to get it okay and
provide a letter we we can't do it
without that person's authorization in
that case let say I'm willing I want
this job I'm going to sign it would you
then um charge the agency or
organization that's going to hire for
that record so we've never done that
before I don't know if we can do that
but um I've never seen that happen
before this is usually I guess for when
people travel also when they apply for
pieces they need one of these um it's a
letter that the records does a
background check they submit a letter
the chief has to sign off on it and say
that what the records
are oh obiously okay but I have a vis I
don't know I I I didn't know that people
needed that kind of stuff okay I guess
it possibly depending where you're
traveling too
okay that's it for this
section the next one goes into the
parking finds this is a bigger one uh
New York State set some limits to some
parking fines or some fees to city
council you U you guys set many more and
next this right here is a summary of the
top 10 items that can be changed and
they're all that had over 112 or over
100 issued within the last year so we
did a rolling 12 Monon average uh and I
looked at Troy Albany and a little bit
more information on that as well but
currently right now most of the fees are
set is
$35 and I believe that the city last
looked at
them I think they looked in 2011
possibly is the last time I see an
ordinance change I don't know if
something was added if the fees were
changed at that time but there's a lot
of them were
$35 Troy re uh did theirs in
2016 where they increased a lot of them
to around
$50 they also adopted something that
went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks
where right now currently we have a
doubling after 20 days and they tripled
it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not
looked at theirs in over 20 years um so
they're they're are lower than what
we're proposing but the last time in the
order updated it was at minimum 13 years
ago but probably longer longer than that
so I put in there the last 12 months how
many of each of those tickets were
issued by our parking department or some
of times our officers and what it would
mean if we were to increase it in the
yellow be the suggested increase and the
blue is what the overall find would be
in the end and the last column is the
impact of what kind of Revenue we
generated if everything stay constant
over the next 12 months for the top then
there's six or seven others that have
under 100 um that we would look at as
well but those are the the top 10 fig
I'd start
there and those that are we can increase
the others we can out because these ones
are you can you can increase all these
regulation yeah there the max allowed
column is where New York State BNT
determines what the maximum you can
charge is for different items that we'll
be able to find um the fire hydrant
actually could not find anything that
says what the maximum was but New York
City does $115 that's why I know we can
go at least to
115 yes go ahead please uh I just wanted
to say like I appreciate it the
breakdown gave a lot of context and I
would say as one of the first
presentations regarding F Cris um I
appreciate your responsiveness to the
issue and then I would say snapshotting
this and using this as a template uh cuz
definitely U I wouldn't call out other
municipalities but it helps us
understand just where we gauge in the
exactly that's why it was done yet
yeah any other question on this slide
all right now I'm just just to kind of
reference the impact if we had this Fe
at the beginning of this year we would
have seen an impact of
242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so
six months or 9 months of this year 3
months of last year yes so it's a
significant um Revenue um increase their
for Police Department go ahead please so
I I don't know that this is exactly I
just know that they're close related and
again I think it's wor to mention it
it's just especially when we're talking
about parking tickets um there are you
know there's studies National studies
and I haven't you know we haven't looked
at our I haven't looked at our city data
but you just have to be mindful about
like what type of fees we increase
because we can unintentionally um impact
uh certain marginalized communi based on
the way that the
um their ability to parve is the base
that um you know some neighborhoods have
you know more driveways some there's
there's there's different contributing
factors to how we can unintentionally
impact certain communities more than
others so I just want to highlight that
I just think that is something that we
should be mindful that and we're if
we're just looking to increase the Fe it
looks like we definitely should be doing
in some areas
that just increasing the fees you know
there's a greater it can be a greater
impact to the larg community
you
yes go ahead please m i I brought that
up the other day when we were talking
about the noise violations um because
the fee increases are suggested are
quite High um and it was pointed out to
me that again we're I I forget the exact
language but that we're trying to get
people to change their behavior and so
you
know we might have to increase Feast to
a certain extent because I don't want
use the word punitive but you know we
are trying to to be punitive um we are
hoping that people I I don't want to put
words but you guys were were very good
in the way that you responded to me
about that the other day um I was
talking about you know poor kinds of
populations um but I got that I thought
I thought that was a good response to my
to my query I I think the whole Drive is
to this effective January 1st so we have
a we have a couple months to to do an
educational um Outreach behavioral we
talked about last week at the public
safety meeting to kind of edicate people
that this is this is going to happen so
we're not going to like pass it next
week and then inforce of the calling
week January
1st so so um
I first I'll speak to what you just
talked about the difference in this is
that you have a choice over how loud
you're going to play your music that's a
decision that you make however if
there's limited parking on your street
then you can only work within those
parameters so I don't know that they're
necessarily things that we can equally
um compare because I want to have a loud
party I'm going to turn it up whether
you like it or not but if there's
limited parking then I'm I'm you know I
have to work within those parameters so
I'm not sure if that's that's a
comparison that um that I would really
make in terms of um people's ability to
pay um because you made a decision or
you don't really have have any place
else to park so um there's that the
other thing I wanted to know and will
this impact it and should we take a look
at it some of our parking signs are a
little bit outdated and they were put up
when people were working at GE and they
worked these interesting hours and so
you couldn't park at a certain time on
one side of the street versus the other
side of the street so if we're talking
about um changing um the fees for
parking sh we also be looking to make
sure that how we currently have our
signage makes sense for how people work
today I think that's something we should
um cuz now some people have alternate
parking they don't even pay attention to
it I see parking on both sides of Street
on a regular basis because the signs
just really don't make sense cuz people
don't work like they did with those
hours when GE was like the main employer
in the city of SK so I think we would
have to take that I know that that's
going to take a lot because we have to
pay for signs do a study do all of those
things however those are things that we
should all also be taking a look at well
well not only people who don't um who
work some people who don't work doesn't
even go they move their car so it's it's
a two-way you know into that people just
need to comply you know just like the
noise new people playing loud music
we're going to increase the fear you
come into compliance if not you're going
to have to pay the violation same thing
we need you know to clean up the street
and get people to comply with regulation
you park on the wrong side you're going
to get ticket they're parking they're
parking all over the place but there's a
parking makes sense so that's we have to
take the look it makes sense for how we
live now yeah what we'll need to do is
to make sure that we have updated signs
across the city if we're going to
enforce this signs need to be placed
across updated sign new signs and put
that in place so people are aware that
parking on either side is within a given
the
violation go ahead please so I
appreciate president P for that
distinction cuz you know definitely one
is more I think that when you're talking
about parking fees and and the reason
why they have these these National
studies is because
um unintentionally I would say in some
places and certainly by Design in other
places um you start
to uh kind of take advantage of the most
marginalized people in your community
and and start to increase feeds based
off them based on the fact that there is
um and not not just the case of of
limited uh parking but there's also
the enforcement strategies which is more
you know would be more up to the police
department as well to kind of consider
those things as just we have to keep
that in front of our in front of our
mind CU if not we can have these really
good policies that make a lot of sense
increase our Revenue um but we could be
doing it off the backs of our most
vulnerable population in the city now we
just always have to ask ourselves to
right questions we doing any of these
things right because if
it if it if we're increasing the fee and
we're going to you know bring in another
$200,000 but 80 to 90% of that
$200,000 is coming from you know you
know two or three neighborhoods that
just happen to be the uh neighborhoods
that the design is far more likely for
someone to be out of compliance with the
with the department and that's something
that you just have to that's you don't
have the data for that you have the
data so so what I what I was saying same
question so what what I said uh in the
beginning of of what my statement was I
was referring to more to Nationals
Trends and the first thing I said was I
haven't looked at the data within our
city there something to be mindful of
and pay attention because if we increase
this without looking at the data we can
unintentionally perpetuate that outcome
so it so we would so I wasn't making a
statement that What's happen you I'm
saying if we're changing something then
we need to be mindful of that or won't
be being
ACC clear well we have to we have to
make sure that we encourage the police
to do across the board and no no
Community or no neighborhood should be
targeted but
apply it across the entire city when
they're doing enforcement or when
they're applying
tickets well I was just going to say I
mean you guys probably have data my
neighborhood um in terms of breakdown of
these tickets so I've never seen it but
I'm going ask Adam do you know is that
possible through the the software y okay
so it is it's possible for us to see
that
so has got tickets so can you can you um
make a note and provide that to the
council
please so looking for a breakdown of
tickets per is it Go by zone or do it Go
by area where you think it goes
by no it's not a Zone like we consider
the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone
but there's no correlation between that
zone in in our system compared to what
there is uh in the city
um you know we enforce where the signs
are available so so so to the point of
you know where do we enforce we we
enforce where we can enforce uh there
are neighborhoods um that there is no
signage but it makes sense because some
of the streets are wider uh the the
neighbor of the uh driveways are longer
so a lot of this uh enforcement is is
not
necessarily Revenue generator but it's
it's a it's a safety aspect too you have
neighborhoods that have narrow streets
and you have bothside parking you can't
get emergency Personnel down there um
and often times the signs indicate the
season right so there's more
prohibitions during certain seasons for
the obvious reasons of snowfall some
some of the ones that I know that are
kind of different there'll be no
parkings aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m.
the reason is because the street street
sweepers would come down can you just
come on
I thought oh yeah that's the camera is
focusing yeah we he turn to you but yeah
you're providing a lot of information U
so some of the some of the signs that we
might not have a comprehensive
understanding to at least that face
value do serve a legitimate purpose the
example I was saying before is no
standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6:00
a.m. uh you know you think what is that
about but but it's uh it's for street
street sweeping so obviously it just
makes more sense to have that um
but that's it you know again we we we
ticket where we can and enforce where we
can and um I don't know why they decided
to put things in certain areas uh you
know maybe it's a for a broader
discussion you know can we use more
enforcement can can you know we have
more or less restrictions to your point
I don't know you know that's I don't
know go ahead please I think that some I
mean I you know I mean I think about
some of the streets um like brandy wine
or you know mcen I
mean the parking is crazy and it's
really difficult so I think related to
the previous discussion about traffic
control and and speeding I mean I think
some of those things have must come into
the into consideration as well in terms
of where the signage is and I I can
think you know just driving around the
city and having to park in a lot of
different areas um where it might be
time in a lot of areas it's alternate
side based on the days of the week
Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know
Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you
know I'm I would think that maybe it has
to do with traffic um what's the word
I'm uh
call the number the numbers of cars the
congestion congestion on the streets as
well um so there is that the uh parking
enforcement officers drive around
obviously they um they have different
zones that they all go to and they
switch them up daily or regularly and
also during the day if somebody calls
him with a parking complaint during the
day they're dispatched automatically so
if somebody calls in and says that
there's a parking multiple cars here uh
we had four civilians now we're down to
two so we're hopefully get they back up
um they will drive around and they'll go
right there and issue the ticket right
then and there so that's besides their
normal Patrol they they do respond to
the areas people call and complain dur
the
day go ahead quick question so um I I
imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's
call Will we be be able to if if
interested Shadow around that
perspective job like the ticketing oh
absolutely yeah absolutely y got right
now they're working you know days Monday
through Friday and uh if there's
somebody's interested absolutely say
ride a
bike yeah just C they ride a bike some
of do so we have the one off mainly
rides the bike downtown and they're also
in a car that's Park parking enforcement
as well how I can use the electric bike
yeah AB we actually have an electric bik
for parking for we do so are you saying
that we can get a breakdown um by labor
I supect yeah I don't think
there's uh the only thing that may be
labor intensive is depending on how I I
may have to run we may have to run data
by street right instead of just my
neighborhood but I'm sure exist yeah if
we want that how far back do we want to
go I will say 6 months okay yeah because
it's going to take a lot of time going
to be taking up to do that 6 months 3
months I think I think do a
year be a lot of work entire year with
6,000 we want to use the same data set
that we're using for projections you
want to do the
same this is 831 23 to 991 of 24 with
that data Let's do let's do this the
same report here this is one we can move
forward ready go ahead please so just
because it's important that we have
Clarity around these issues I think that
like so um and I appreciate like I don't
know exactly why they you know put signs
in places and I'm sure that well I I
would give the benefit of the doubt to
say that when some of these signs and
regulations um were put in place that
they were done so in good faith I um I
definitely would assume that um our Law
Enforcement Officers act in good faith
when is issuing you know tickets uh so
on and so forth um so that that idea is
not an opposition to us um kind of
looking at the impact of what we're of
of what that enforcement looks like and
just to be aware of how these things can
perpetuate certain inequities throughout
society and and and we're not
disconnected we're not you know
and that that includes us so again so
the point I'm making is that there's no
um
intention around I'm not assigning any
any intention to this but what I'm
saying is that if we're not intentional
about taking those measurements and kind
of really asking ourselves the hard
questions that no one likes to talk
about but me a lot of time in PR life
then we end up you know perpetuating
something so just want to be really
clear about that but I appreciate you
work continuing through and the
transparency thank any other question on
this
SL the next next one is some of our
annual control fees well some of these
are not through the police department
it's through the clerk's office but it's
we work very closely together in these
so I'm including them in here in the
presentation currently right now the
city is charging
$20.50 for a a dog license if they're
altered 1350 if they're unaltered and
then it goes down if you're a Senor or
um older the surrounding towns and City
we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Albany was 16
and 23 and then Troy is 15 and
20 the r section is 114 and it's a
little complicated as far as there's
multiple layers multiple things that go
into what the dog license fee is so I
have it broken down here crossed out the
dollar value and put the the new dollar
value that's recommended in here the
next slide will show you kind of what
the bottom line is that just makes sense
so that the the new fee recommendation
would be uh $7.50 increase on the
altered $750 cents on the unaltered and
then $3 250 for the uh senior citizens
and this would increase the revenue
between $8 $10,000 per year it depends
on if somebody order or pays for a one
year twoyear or multi-year license so it
could fluctuate a little bit but
so Miss Michael this align with your C
for service it does it does
yes so who gets those fees with where is
the
actual City it goes to the Clark's
office is that correct it gets deposit
into the general fund well you take in
your office take in we take it in yes
get positive to the general
one goad see special amount of anim
licenses would
not go to or shouldn't not go to
the of the police du to like the forcing
that that the way how it's written is
like directed to the cl's office but
it's kind of like enforced by the police
department Sam you can you can explain
more about how the enforcement started
oh have yeah the Animal Control Officers
when they do go out or they
unlicensed animal you know the the uh
dog is then taken to mov Hudson main
society there's a Redemption fee
involved and also then they have to
license their their
pet that's the police
component but the the they come to your
office to do the licing to my office to
do all
that I believe that's like different all
talented things that I saw went to the
clerk's office
for the
Fe
Drive uh just a question mran I
appreciate your uh background also I
needed could we discuss potentially
expanding the senior citizen category to
include like medically cified positions
in which someone needs a service animal
and then also potentially like service
members where like it's Improvement to
like assist in their integration back
into society I think that's already in
code that those areas are already
exempt I'm looking ahead at the next
slide and I'm I'm wondering about the
exemptions that are being taken away so
so there it's it is in the code I was
looking to remove it actually yeah
they're removing it that that's it's
it's already in the code right now aen
Market's law says that a m municipality
May exempt an animal but then uh the
American Disability Act has changed it
so you cannot ask for documentation you
can only ask two questions and we're
getting customers coming in um refusing
to provide answers provide
documentation um just making it so much
more
difficult the the Americans with
Disabilities acts have very limited uh
regulations as as as the city clerk has
pointed out what sort of questions you
can ask and they're very limited in
scope two for the for the federal RS so
um it's it's what what the council wants
to do whether they want to you know what
I'm seeing up there is five is being
deleted it's what that's a poliy
decision for you all to make that policy
decision if you want to
uh continue with the exemptions or or or
not s what is your
recommendation my recommendation was
removing reming our our ordinance covers
every like service animal therapy animal
everything like everything um but one we
don't need to under Aon markets and two
under Ada they say service
animals and there's a differentiation
between service and therapy but we we
can't really differentiate based on the
two
questions go ahead please I I feel that
servicing I I I like the exemption um
for Veterans for service for service
animals um therapy
dogs well obviously the detection I mean
those wouldn't be charged what's that it
says detection so that must be like a
police animal that's looking for drugs
or something like that I mean I don't
know why we wouldn't exemp that that's
like an employee of the city practically
um right I mean yes so if they lived in
a city yes if there was a city employee
that had the Poli like they would have
to
the pay the pay the $40 or the
$28 we haven't had one in year is that
in the city because the uh the animal
with the police department stay with
whoever the train is right right so they
going to say you I know I get that
but I just think those animals should be
exempt remain ex from what I got from
Miss mik who it wasn't like any bias it
was just an inability to evalate with so
that's causing administrative burden
then I can be responsive to her office's
needs as an alternative I believe there
are funds available um to adult worth
with to get funds for people who
couldn't pay the convey the fee so if
there was a hardship I don't know how
many exemptions or on the sheets that I
saw I think there was only like six or
seven at for certain amount of months I
looked at the data so if there was if
those people couldn't for if he did
decide to get rid of it and there was
needed there are funds available for
them to pay for so it doesn't stop you
from giving exemption you still have the
authority to give
exemption if we remove it it you're
removing it then the exemption done
exemption
right
yeah I will say let's let's put this on
hold and and go through the the process
of the public hearing then we can say
because the consant table is like we
should keep that and I I think we should
we should keep it the
exemption unless we Define it a little
bit as so what what is examp I I think
if the clerk saying elmate and I say
like making my position known hearing
her response and there's a pot of money
that this might can direct those
individuals to I think it captures it
it's a win okay all
right but we do we need to put the
legislation well it all depends I me if
if okay we'll well you know if I can yes
go we've been talking about parking fees
and now dog fees so the go requirment
inst to the city code also require
public hearings regarding these two
public hearings I would recommend since
they're they're generating money for the
city which will have an impact on the
budget perhaps you would want to do
these hearings at the same night you're
doing a budget you don't have to but
it's it's it's dealing with Revenue
items that as you go through the rest of
October you
may use as you're making your
projections and you're creating your
budget and then after you have that
public hearing then you have the budget
being adopted and then you have the
ordinances that need to be changed to
conform with the amounts of fees that
you increase this way it's all one one
pro I'm just it's I'm just throwing that
out for for for you all to consider that
you would have the public hearing on
that same because it's dealing with fees
which will as you saw will have an
impact on on the budget so that way it's
in total and then the budget is dealt
with and then uh depending on how you
work on the budget you can amend the
ordinance to conform with the budget so
do we need two public hearings you would
need two public hearings the reason
being is because you're dealing sorry
there's five I think for if you were go
through change everything you want I
think cuz I think they weren't quite
certain about I'm I I think about what I
think they weren't you weren't quite
certain about the first part of the
heing uh first part I'm just focusing on
the uh the
uh parking and now the dog dog parking
it's not parking only we're all feast
and then uh I think I think if for alarm
fees I think you need more information
regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't
know if that's ready for a public
hearing yet you may need to
whether that's going to have a
significant amount of Revenue I don't
know but I mean you can
always you can call for public hearings
on all those items and then deal with
that before the next your next committee
cycle and then you know Mark everything
up and then it will be ready for the
public hearing and then you would have a
draft
ordinance I
I hearing going on the same night for
the every for the uh
five public hearings oh there was the
The False Alarm fees if you were to
increase FAL alarm if you were if you
were going to change what the uh false
alarm definition was and if you're going
to change the false alarm fees structure
and then there was the parking findes
the
records and then the
control oh the records also okay
any that's the last slide no uh two more
quick ones um so Mr M I want to make my
point about exemptions I'm I'm in
agreement with Miss um M Mike that they
should be taken away because right now
people don't have to answer any
questions no that's okay yeah I'm fine
with that I was thinking about you know
but then there there's a part of money
that can be used to help individual and
those situation I'm and so so we're
talking about five public hearings on
night just be C night so five plus what
you may want to do is the bigger items
are the dog license fees and the parking
fees the parking fees that you saw would
generate a lot of Revenue if those fees
were to go through so perhaps you just
have the parking fees on the same night
as the uh as the uh the budget heing
because that's probably the most
significant amount of money that I've
saw I I recommend that you do all at the
same time and get it over with I mean
small they small public heing maybe
you few people yeah my my bigger concern
is like people know what they're going
to be about there so many yeah cuz it
can that's a lot that's a
lot what does the next slide tell us
what the total amount of money is can
you scroll pleas no 8 to 10,000 a year
for
the depending on the year depending on
if they're one two or three year renewal
cycles and
so we could still have the public
hearing implemented it without I mean
after the budget season yeah this yes
we're going to pass it and it's going to
take effect January first so we have
enough time to to send to a PA out there
and and let people know that hey this is
what's going to happen but ask U
Michelle so to kind put it on the
website so people know that January 1st
these changes are coming into
place cuz that's not a huge budget
impact it's no it's not a huge bud just
something that we need to address these
small little things
next two next this is this is a very
quick one uh we do have grant money and
we also have uh money in C and you guys
provide us with capital funding in the
past um so we are looking to do a new
canel facility in the city and when we
do do that there will be options for
more more Revenue that may or may not
require some assistance from you guys
and helping us do that but uh right now
if we get a new facility we can look to
least k space other municipalities who
are having trouble post trainings
there's a lot that we'd like to do
that's another hour or something so do
that and then look into the countywide
agreement instead of having just a city
be involved there's other people that
would like to be part of our agreement
but uh they're more or less locked out
of the agreement so possibly we could
look to expand it countywide with that
and the last one uh is I know that the
council gave the mayor the option to
look at Kias rates didn't change those
they were last changed in 2020 and I
recommend at some point a group looks at
those fees to see if they're still in
line with what they should be is that an
engineer is that an engineer
thing yes
so yes engineering engineering helps set
the set the initial fees so I don't know
I don't know how the initial fee
structure was set um I have the initial
fee I have what they are today um they
have a change since 2020 but some to
think about looking at and seeing if it
uh they should be updated don't and we
whenever we update paring we have to
coordinate
natural we we'll get we'll get to
you okay that's the last slide that's it
that's it any other
questions no so if we were to move for
this we need to call for a public
hearing and I think it's like three
public hearing because we're not doing
with parking right
that we have to follow on the
engineering and we're not touching on
that and remote
control is that correct so we need to
call for public hear false
alarm public hearing for the parking
fines we're not doing a parking Ms we
don't have the RS and Animal Control
feeds free public and the
records and record yeah records oh yeah
sorry record it's not records false kns
records animal right go
ahead I thought waiting for the feedback
of other municipalities for the false
alarms so I have written down I'm going
to come back I'll email out what the
bills were versus what was paid and what
other municipalities are charging for
their false alarm fees so that's my one
takeaway my other takeaway is the the
one year same data set that we use up
layer of zones for parking okay that's
the any other information we need from
assistant I think that that's what we're
asking from here so we need to call for
call for public heing for records call
for public hearing for the alarm false
alarm we need to call for public hearing
parking finds and we need to call for
public hearing and Animal Control
Fe go ahead please C can't call for
public area if we're still looking at
adjusting language right so no we're not
adjusting the just is we just asking for
backup false alarm I was looking for
more context that increase the rates but
we're trying to identify what rates and
getting a off on that one so we we can
hold off on that one the false alarm
right so it's records so what I do we
proceed to call for public hearing for
the
records October
15 and I have a motion second all in
favor I so we'll skip the false alarm
and wait on the backup
documents I call for public hearing on
the parking findes for October
15th are we going to wait for that too
and wait for the information that we
talk
about well that we have the backup he's
just going to spread it out for us in
more detail and we'll have that before
the
15th so this is calling and setting the
public hear
we have almost a month to get that
information Yeahs you have another
committee meeting between we have one we
still have a committee me a committee
meeting so you can pass it maybe final
version that that evening and still be
in time for the public
hearing we still have
things think going back to the false
alarms trying to leverage our time now
do we call it and then in between that
we still have time to adjust it yeah
that's exactly yeah cuz we still have
almost a month to get that information
and I'm pretty sure we get that in a
week or two from PD and that will give
us enough time to kind like two weeks
out to kind of like review it internally
between ourselves and then the public
hearing is on the 15th let's listen to
the public we came back come back to the
table and we can like iron it out on the
power so I so are you saying that you
think that we should have the public
hearing on the 15th for the F LA are you
asking in terms of timing in terms of
timing yes is that your question my
question was if we're doing that in
similar context with like another area I
just want to make it known I I very much
want to increase the rates for the false
alarms it's just identifying what rates
there are so if we're trying to like
hedge time I we will we will uh word the
uh word the public hearing notice that
they calling for an increase in the
public amendment that of that particular
part of code calling for an increase in
the uh in the fine amounts so that would
be what the public will be on notice for
then the legislation
follow and then we look at the other
municipality we'll come back to the
council I will Shar to the council have
assistant and chief Shar to the council
other the municipality really they have
for false
alarm
okay so we did got through with the
called public hearing for the records so
we can we can proceed to call for a
public hearing on the false alarm fee
for October
15th so second second all in favor I and
then we'll call for public Hearing in
October the 15th for parking fine
fees second all in favor I and then
we'll call for public hearing and the
animal control fee October
15 so uh so moved second second all in
favor I thank
you well we we'll get to work and we'll
provide all the information that is
needed there's a hand waving in the air
back there what are we
doing no we we'll have a meeting with
you regards to the
K unless you ready to go no I'm just
getting yeah I just want we we'll
provide all the information that was
asked and to the console so that we can
uh proceed with this in a timely
manner the next it
review collecting feedback from City
residents on our cdbg SL CV funding to
prevent prepare for and respond to
Corona virus
projects um there a public hearing was
held on the
9th
hereon are there any questions there
were no um speakers there were no
speakers are there any questions comment
on
is we need to we need to move so I have
a motion to to to move this
resolution can I have a
second closing out this matter it would
be a motion to closing out the public
hearing with there was no comments and
the report will go forward to the uh uh
the agency that's was just hear what the
motion would be yeah it would be a
motion to close out the public hearing
and and you know send the report to the
federal agency responsible for this
funding okay think did you Mo and I'll
second all in favor any other business
or Finance motion to
adjourn second all in favor I I'd like
to call to order uh City development and
planning there are 10 items on the
agenda and I will would like to add a
couple more ceremony with resolutions
just so you're aware um Mr Wallin here
so the first item is the award bid
contract for the City Mall ventilation
replacement uh so the first award bidden
contract we have is for like it says
City Hall ventilation replacement there
are two bids for this one is an
electrical one is a mechanical we did
the electrical
several weeks ago mechanically we didn't
get a bid because some labeling we did
come back out put out a bid and received
a low bid from R&B mechanical um the
second bid was considerably higher from
Hecker we did talk with R&B mechanical
we have done a lot of work with R&B
mechanical and they are confident in
their number so we are confident in them
and we're recommending to move
for any questions concerns move this
second all those in favor I I uh item
number two awarding bid contract for the
watt Street and car Street Park
improvements of cargo construction Mr
Wallen um this is a we're calling it a W
Street Safety project um it's a project
we've been working with the members of
the Congressional Gates of Heaven
Cemetery committee um because of the
unique configuration of watch Street the
fence has been hit multiple times uh
over the course of the history of the
cemetery uh they've asked City to try to
mitigate that um so what we have is
we've designed a uh di rail system with
Chevrons we're looking to possibly
install a couple of solar power light up
Chevrons cuz uh a lot of these do happen
at night uh where it is a you know
geometry that we're not looking to have
uh very unique in the area um and this
also have a a modified driveway and then
we are also working with uh the carer
street park and trying to work with the
people people there to pick away at
their master plan um a little bit at a
time this will extend their sidewalk to
the basketball court do a little
connection and then pour some pads so
that they can install some benches
around the area that's
great any questions concerns a motion
second all those in
favor thank you and item number excuse
me award bidden contract for dis connect
fire station number one h h back and
Generator upgrades uh so similar to the
City Hall of ventilation this was uh the
GC portion of a four bid wicka project
we already awarded three the mechanical
the electrical and the plumbing we did
have a hard time finding a GC we were
able to um call a couple of people and
get them to bid the low bid is MJG
construction we have not worked with
them they are relatively local of bson
spa we did call we have references they
have worked with the county and they
have worked with um a couple of the sub
other main contractors on the project
which is how they were called and
referenced so um with all that said we
we were comfortable that they understand
the job and be able to work uh with the
other groups that are here they is
significantly corre lower than y this
uh this work is for the GC on this
particular job is is
not too too labor it's a it's a lot of
repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations
and things the majority of the work I
mean if you were look at if you had all
the bids in front of you the hbac work
is actually $1.3 million that's the HC
that's the bulk of the work I don't even
know if the plumbing component is small
the electric component is small GC is
small it's really H job which is why
we're having a hard time going and I
would also think that um because the
contractors know that this was the third
bik at the Apple that they probably you
know increased a little bit knowing that
the city was in a pinch uh and this
contractor possibly not as much but um
like I say we we have faith in our
references and the people that we talk
to and we're looking forward to
working thank you questions comments
come with this second all in
favor thank you thank you Mr w
uh so the um next one is just is a
ceremonial resolution recognizing Breast
Cancer month which is October something
we generally try to do every year uh
entertain a motion second all in favor
and the next ceremonial resolution we
all received an email from Business and
Professional women asking for actually
they ask for Proclamation but we do
resolution so um putting forth to do a
resolution for the woman who's being
honored for woman of the
year uh what's her name Jennifer
Hendrick fog so con a motion so second
all in
favor item number six is a reminder of
the ceremony raming of a portion of
Barrett Street from here on street to
the intersection of South Avenue to
Marling Hill way there was a public
hearing held on oh excuse me the public
hearing will be held on
923 Mr L no that's all right thank you
just a reminder public hearing is uh
next Monday 7 p.m. okay thank you and I
would like to ask the uh council's
Indulgence to um forward a couple more
um resolutions I just actually came
forward one of them if you read
yesterday's paper there's a young man
who currently resides in our our city uh
James Jak Thomas who's been inducted
into the Hall of Fame as we speak uh so
I wanted to be able to recognize him
with the ceremonial
resolution so second all in
favor and then additionally also this
weekend I was U um someone reached out
to me September is suicide prevention
month but for whatever reason they're
not having their walk until October 6th
so um called and wanted to and it's
their 10y year anniversary of their walk
in the city of skincity so um and this
would actually be presented at the walk
so um just asking for a motion on this
resolution that second all in favor
thank you madam president since you're
adding here I think we all missed that
Hispanic heras month is celebrated um
September 15th to October 15th so I
would like to ask that we add that also
and you you'll reach out for somebody to
come because we having that issue since
we're adding you know let's not leave
anybody out so I would like to ask for a
CR for Hispanic Heritage
Month second all those in
favor okay uh the remainder of the items
are are in executive session for
property
sales so I entertain a motion to go an
executive session move second all in
favor we're in executive session members
of the public will have to leave
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