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I don't even see it doesn't look like

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just

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sendic I'd like to call to or disconnect

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the city council committee meeting for

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Monday September 16th 2024 and the first

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thing on our agenda we're going to have

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a presentation by Mr lefon on the

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uh survey that we should have gotten in

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the mail regarding the water Mr lefon

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service really just a little bit of an

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informational session you brought

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um few weeks back we uh we did contract

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with the company through a grant to send

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surveys out to Property Owners within

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the city of s to meet the new

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regulations from EPA with regard to

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letting coer that new rule is to uh is

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Ban all lead services in 1986 all uh

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containing solder containing lead it was

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all banned in

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1986 uh now there is a push to do

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surveys of all the properties within the

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city with new expace actually the whole

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country to see which services are still

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L and then the next phase of that would

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be how to remove them so um most

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Property Owners would have gotten these

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um it was the best way to do it some

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Property Owners may get them through

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their um their service for esro for

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their Banks it'll be on the website

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hopefully with the two-day Insurance

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neity um people who don't know there is

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a way to test one lead which is this

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year part of the boo neck magnet W stick

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the lead okay that's what they're trying

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to remove

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um the city allows copper 1in copper um

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and we do allow uh CPS pipe which is

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positive um most people now are going

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with the CPS pipe because it's a

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fraction of the cost compared to what

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copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t

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roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100

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ft of plastic is about

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$120 so um residents can go with plastic

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and the only thing they have to do is if

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they're currently grounded through their

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electrical Panet to the pipe that's in

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the ground they has to remain grounded

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if not they have to call an electrician

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electrical permit and put two grounding

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rods in to the electrical inspector's

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office to ground the new service or

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their house

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um what EPA does after the surveys are

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out it'll be a work in progress cuz we

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don't get into we're not going to get

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into 16,000 houses um you know in the

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next few months but it'll be a work in

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progress and uh once that's done that

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survey has to be posted on the website

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in the EPA format so anybody can access

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it and look up the property and see if

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it still has a lead service or c service

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um so I did want to come in and inform

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you that these are out so people do

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contact you please try and get them to

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contact the water department send the

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self card in to uh 120 water and or if

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they want to do the self test um like I

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said we'll schedule appointment with

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them to actually go out to the house

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determine whether they fling copper I

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know it's very difficult getting in

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people's basement nobody wants you in

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their house I'm not there to look at

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anything other than the

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PIP so I don't know if the council has

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any questions if you do these realter

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these surveys now so if someone has a

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lead pipe they have to get it replaced

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no um if they touch the Water Service

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like currently right now they have to do

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any work underwater service it is leg

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they have to bring it to code but if

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it's currently in the ground until EPA

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tells us has to be removed and currently

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who's going to pay for it because the

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city doesn't own services we own the

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mains property owns service from the

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main into the house so it's not been

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yet right now they're just doing the

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survey so so um my h on the paper was

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kind of my other question um sometimes

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low lower income homeowners have grants

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available so is that anything that's

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been there we had a grant a few years

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back for go around 560,000 we did about

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100 service lines to you know people who

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knew the grant was available they had a

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el service the uh license plumber in the

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city we contact our plumbing inspector

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we W verify that it was led if it was

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led that property owner um received the

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service re charge to the grant so

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hopefully um EPA the federal government

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will come up with money

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because it's you know it's millions of

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dollars we have 16,000 properties this

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would affect almost any house that would

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built pre 86 that was when the r came to

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effect so the assumption is if your

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house was built before

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1986 it probably has lead unless it was

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a a replace service cuz you already went

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B on you replaced it with

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copper and the other anybody else

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questions M pck um just two quick

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questions um when are the surveys due

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back and oer okay of this year we'll

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have hopefully the surveys back in or a

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part portion of them okay um the company

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we have working with us will put the

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data into the EPA format uh that'll get

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sent to EPA and we'll just continue

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working to gain entry to more more

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houses is the Sur I I know you said the

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results will go on our website is the

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survey instrument itself on our website

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okay no and surveys has got to be

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developed in the sense the data is going

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to be put in and 120 water is doing that

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okay and we're getting we're we're

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keeping a list downstairs and the water

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department personnel scheduling

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appointments to go out to Residents who

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do call in and just you know want

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somebody other than themselves to verify

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what they have going into the house

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thank you if if it's an unknown you

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considered it a leted service so we say

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unknown it's going to be considered

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Le anybody else pa um you mentioned um

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about cost and the EPA is not discussing

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that that the EPA is not discussing cost

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or who's going to bore the cost at this

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point in time is that something that you

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can try to find out from them as to who

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going to be responsible for the

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cost I I we we can look into it but I

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think what they're trying to figure out

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is you know in s alone if you have

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16,000 Services you know what do you say

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um 15% maybe you know Leed still we're

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not sure so we've gone we're going

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through our data which are old um

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tapping cards

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um to help update everything um you know

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so it's it's a it's a process you know

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you just trying to find tapping cards

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from the 7s or 80s you know you're up in

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the archives in the Attic so um one of

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the easiest ways to actually get into a

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basement and look at the pipe scratch

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the pipe see if it's l see if it's

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copper see if it's

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plastic other questions you didn't have

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to bring copy of the survey uh with you

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I didn't get one to me I have a paper

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copy I can what I'll do is email it out

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I can email it some and I can email the

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most fre oh this one this one you got a

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your just so people kind of see what it

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is and know it's not junk

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mail that

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conf so kind of looks like this says and

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so if they scan this QR code they scan

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the QR code they can respond to through

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this okay so all right and then just the

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other side well that just says residence

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so doesn't oh no it is okay so if you

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get these in the mail it's not jump mail

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they need to complete the surveys and if

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they want you all get is call downstairs

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from 9 and we set the okay any other

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questions thank thank you very much

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thank for bringing the uh the uh prop

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the next meeting

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for thank you

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all right we'll begin with the public

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safety so I like to call the Public

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Safety Committee sub order we have three

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items on the agenda tonight first of

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which is the discussion of traffic

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safety measures within the city city

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Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr

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Williams um I'd like to

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ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I

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brought 10 copies but nobody's here

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we're here this is a continuation of a

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discussion that we've been having about

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traffic safety and traffic calming

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measures

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thank you for bringing me of course

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hello so September 16th traffic update

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hope me get my a little docky I

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apologize that this TV seems to always

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be on the

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uh turn it

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on and there we're away all right

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so the first thing that we wanted to

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talk about this is going to be when I do

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these updates we're going to kind of go

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with a little bit of agenda but also a

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little bit of where we have to go so one

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of the first things that we talked about

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is to put these into place uh officially

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what we'd like to do is in talking with

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the corporate council's office is modify

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the city code to authorize the city

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engineer as it states uh to have uh

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section a new section which we're

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calling traffic cing measures which

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authorizes a city engineer to install

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traffic cing measures on designated

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streets uh as it's written there it is

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of course totally changed this was a

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draft that was put together um but it is

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the idea that it authorizes myself with

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your permission to install things that

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we talked about at the previous update

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which is speed bumps humps red light

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cameras SC zone speed cameras we can

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even put a little bit of you know and

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similar devices and in there just so

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we're not coming back for every little

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thing um this is something that would

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require a public hearing I believe

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because we would be amending the city

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code um so if this is what we' like to

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go forward with I think this would be

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the the top priority uh to get it into

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the public hearing process to move

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forward so that we could do that and I

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provided you the language in your in

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your handout there um just moving on if

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we're going to be doing this uh and

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calling on public hearing about my roles

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one of the things that has come up is I

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also liked I haven't even talked to Sean

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about this I'd also like to amend this

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section of my duties which has to do

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with um use of streets and sidewalks

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what we did was and I'm sure you're kind

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of aware is we've transitioned a lot of

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enforcement to codes and we've

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beautified all the enforcement in the

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codes Department however we never

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changeed the charter as it's custom here

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we don't really update the charter as

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quickly as we should and so the charter

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says that it's the commissioner of

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Public Works Paul or the assistant city

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engineer engineer who does not exist the

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assistant city engineer was a PE

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physician and I don't believe it's

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existed for about 20 years um and those

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are the two people that Shall Serve

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notice to people for sidewalk violations

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um so you know we have sidewalk

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violations that do occur from time to

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time so I am requesting um that this be

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change to commissioner Public Works city

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engineer or uh the codes department so

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that we can have the codes officers uh

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write this as part of their uh duties so

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while it's not part of the Traffic

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Safety in a way if we're going to call a

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public hearing and discuss uh the duties

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of the city engineer I would love to be

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able to modify this so it's cleaner I

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have another one

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for thank

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you on slide three so uh so these were

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the first two things that we uh I wanted

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to talk about was the modification C

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code city of authority uh the second

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thing that I wanted to talk with you

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about today uh would be the speed table

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procedure it was something that we

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provided before uh with the city of

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Rochester I modified it just a little

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bit simplified some areas of it there

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you go Sam and I'd like to

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get um committee comments on it I I do

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think that it may be appropriate I don't

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we don't we don't do it much but to meet

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actually uh with the committee possibly

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and not turn these Council meetings into

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workshops um I I don't know how we do

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that but you know there's decisions that

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have to be made before we move forward

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with a lot of these items and I don't

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know if this is the right venue to have

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these kind of Workshop discussions so

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just so you know since we've been having

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these kind of things there's been

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committee meetings being held okay

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terrific so s that so what you have in

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front of you is is a speed table

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procedure I'm summarizing it up top

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where we're saying that you know there'

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be five steps this is identical to

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Rochester just modified for the city's

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connect where you're talking about a

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letter of request in-house evaluation

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traffic study and then the consideration

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of other factors uh the highlighted

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portion is where I just like to go is

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that they use a 75% petition um we don't

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have a petition that is that high so

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then I would ask that the council come

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up with a number that is uh you know

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could be 7 5% could be 50 could be 80

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but I just want to make sure that that

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number I would like the council to be

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able to set similarly uh on the bottom

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on Section six there's a section about

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parallel

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streets and if you kind of were to read

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this whole thing and gloss over it it's

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one of those little worded sections that

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could be a nightmare um so I will like

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direct you to where I grew up I grew up

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on Arsley road which is right by the

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high school Arsley road is a great examp

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example road that I just happened to

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grow up on because Ardsley Road is you

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have the high school the parking lot is

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literally empty on Arsley Road and you

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have Union Street so cars drive that way

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so if you get a petition from Arsley

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Road and they say we really want speed

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HTS and we put them there Waverly and

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Phoenix directly parallel right next

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door so then you start pushing then you

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get to mclen then you get to Parkwood

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you get to Glenwood and Rochester

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actually you know really they kind of

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they had stronger language it was

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essentially if there are more than one

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parallel Street you're denied they don't

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even want to get into it and I don't

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want to go down that road yet because

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this is a new process but I wanted to

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point out that on those particular

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streets the other streets I was thinking

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about are in neighborhood such as woodan

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where if you go into woodan we have very

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long straight runs of roads where if we

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put them there uh the particularly

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there's the four I don't remember off

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the to my head but there's four roads

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that go right through from Albany Street

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to the wood preserve there's a long

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straight Road so if we put speed pumps

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on one of them are we forcing them to

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the others um

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Gord it's that it's that level of just

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making sure we have the understanding

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that we don't want to solve a problem on

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one street but push the problem to the

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others um so and with regards to this

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that's why you know Brian is here uh

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Canon because we've been working he's

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been using uh the data from the city

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Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and

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working with our vendors he's pulled

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some data he's actually shared it with

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myself in the police department I don't

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want to make it public yet because we're

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still working out some of the Kinks on

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what we really believe is is feasible

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and not feasible um but that could be

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maybe the next update this one I want to

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show you that like I'd love to get the

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code moving get this kind of going with

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this procedure so that we know what

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we're doing and then we can focus on

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where the actual tables themselves are

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going um the next part of that is I say

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tables I just wanted to bring this up

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we've been doing a lot of research on

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this um and we know we're not the first

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so because we're not the first I'm not

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acting like we're inventing anything

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here we're just implemented so the table

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that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was

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what is called a speed table on the left

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you go up it's flat for a little bit and

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you go down there are speed PPS what

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Albany has are speed humps up down so

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one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you know or 26

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ft depending so we have these two

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different so if you were to go to almany

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they have humps we used a table the

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tables are better for really high volume

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roads um one of the differences I think

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the main difference and I don't want to

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you know I know you're probably going to

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say Chris whatever you'd like to do but

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I just want to talk and tell you what it

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is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue

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was we don't need to reduce the speed we

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just don't want you speeding so a speed

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hump you will drive and it'll have a

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sign it'll say speed hump 15 miles an

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hour you got to slow down to 15 go over

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to speed hun and then keep driving the

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speed tables we specifically designed

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and pick that they're meant for 30 m

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hour you drive 30 m an hour you go up

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you go over you go down if you go 40 m

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an hour it's going to be really

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uncomfortable so that was the idea the

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thought was and this is work said

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working with the PD working with John

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kucho at the time was that if you had a

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speed hump and you reduce that speed to

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15 you would want to make it up you

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would want to go up over okay that was

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annoying I got to go fast and then up up

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over and I'm going to make it up um we

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didn't get that complaint with these

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speed tables I don't remember hearing

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that about the the the going fast

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portion of it but I did want to point

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out that the majority of locations are

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using pumps which are a little bit

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smaller more manageable with tables uh

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but I I I haven't decided which way I

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really want to go but I just wanted to

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state that is the reason if we do use

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speed pumps most likely even if 25 mph

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we will have to put a advisory sign that

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the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so

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we have to reduce the speed over the

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hum table we wouldn't

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have um also we have some standard

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sheets just to let you know this is you

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know what a speed table would look like

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this is off the do so this is what kind

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of we're working on once again we're not

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trying to reinvent the wheel similarly

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uh signage this is what I I'm going to

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be forwarding to Paul with Bond and

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Brian uh about this is what we're

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thinking is that like right now this is

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if we were to use a speed table we would

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we would put what the speed limit is

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because we're not going to have speed

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limit signs on every road once we go

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through this uh you know hopefully the

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lowering of the speed limit so we would

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say okay the speed limit is 25 there's a

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speed table ahead here's the speed table

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that would be the procedure of advanced

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warning and then the as you see on the

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road they use a very unique now system

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of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft

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wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a

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5ft wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight

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and it goes and then when you get to the

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the speed table it's an arrow so it's a

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it's a very uh distinct amount of

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striping to get to that point so right

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now this is uh what we were calling our

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our our signage and striping package

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that we would be working with with Brian

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SPD to implement um if this is this is

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specific to a speed table I didn't have

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time to put one together for a speed

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hump the only difference would be that

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white speed limit sign would be a little

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yellow sign that would be saying

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probably 20 or 15 because youd have to

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slow down

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so so if let's say this is with the

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speed table so it was a speed hump are

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you saying you would need the 25 mph in

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addition to that you would need an

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additional sign right around the speed

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PP we for the 15 so we would put it's a

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little misleading because those signs

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aren't meant to actually be above above

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each other they're just meant to show

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ones here ones further back the advisory

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sign would be directly attached in

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beneath that speed table ahead sign to

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advise you that you have to go slower

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over it the only difference would be

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most likely is that we would mod

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probably put a speed limit sign on the

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other side just you know this is what

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the speed limit is just to remind you

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what the speed limit is but the the

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speed humps the advantage of the speed

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hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz

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they're smaller

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um but I just I'm like I said I try to

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deal in transparency and we did not

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install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue we

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used specifically designed speed tables

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for our speed limit which was at the

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time 30 so it would work perfectly fine

532
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in 25 and those are the comments that we

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got with for a speed table but I have

534
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the entire Albany uh city of Albany um

535
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PL set I have their procedures Albany

536
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has a similar procedure that they have

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adopted by the council um

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I pretty sure I could share I wasn't

539
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comfortable sharing it now but I'm

540
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pretty sure it's all public to share um

541
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uh that's what they developed and

542
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they're using pumps in their project in

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Hamilton Hill so um in terms

544
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,080
of we only did one that one street like

545
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,840
that's that's the only feedback we got

546
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:23,399
was from that one street so all the the

547
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,279
other places that we talked about people

548
00:25:23,399 --> 00:25:26,720
felt you know giv yeah the next one was

549
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,399
supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't

550
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,760
do that we haven't gotten any of that

551
00:25:28,399 --> 00:25:31,880
yeah so we're basing everything just on

552
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,200
that one uh right now yes right now well

553
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,440
I'm not only basing off of that but

554
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,360
that's why I'm trying to use the Albany

555
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,960
study in some other areas to try to pull

556
00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:41,159
in information of just what people are

557
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:45,559
doing um but yes for our local we've

558
00:25:41,159 --> 00:25:49,039
only used that system once on that road

559
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:51,440
okay so um I have a couple questions so

560
00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:53,520
um just on that one still so that does

561
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,360
make the Assumption I think that we

562
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,679
would lower the speed limit to 25 that

563
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:58,880
this is all off that's why I put it

564
00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:02,200
there that we are going be lowering the

565
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,919
speed limit on local roads to 25 yes

566
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,320
okay it's based on that okay great I'm

567
00:26:04,919 --> 00:26:10,360
happy to hear that um and then on the

568
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,120
sidewalk one I thought and this did

569
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:14,039
happen before I was on Council but I'm

570
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:16,240
pretty I thought that we had to have a

571
00:26:14,039 --> 00:26:19,960
petition and that that too was I thought

572
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,840
the number was 75% but um cuz that that

573
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,000
language isn't in here about having a

574
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,799
petition I I think the city Charter

575
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,520
still stands up 25% right 25%

576
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:34,640
so if if if residents on a street had a

577
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,480
25% of the residents so shouldn't that

578
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,880
be we're putting it in um for the speed

579
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:42,880
tables should we be putting it into

580
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,360
that's you know that's a different if I

581
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,039
can interject as kind of a different Pro

582
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:50,360
process you're looking at it something

583
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:52,559
of a fluid situation whereas if you're

584
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:54,480
talking about Improvement districts that

585
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,399
goes to property taxes and that's in the

586
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,600
city Charter which is a total different

587
00:26:57,399 --> 00:27:02,360
oh element I I I get the distinction

588
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:07,559
okay so it's it's okay thank you

589
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:09,279
different and I just um I do think that

590
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:10,520
it would be great to have a special you

591
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,360
know if we needed to talk about this

592
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,679
more to have a special Public Safety

593
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:15,279
Committee meeting as we did the other

594
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:18,240
day so I just want

595
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:21,039
that any other questions or comments Mr

596
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,159
U Mr sometime back we had asked um you

597
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:26,200
to kind of give us a clost breakdown for

598
00:27:23,159 --> 00:27:28,399
these um speed table or speed home were

599
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,640
you able to get a class for how much one

600
00:27:28,399 --> 00:27:33,960
be yes no I didn't put anything together

601
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,880
yet the signage we would most likely be

602
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,080
able to do in house do you think FR

603
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,960
we're not talking about too many

604
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,960
signs yeah yeah we were looking at two

605
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:46,480
four six signs posts and then the the

606
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,640
black um notices you see that those are

607
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,200
delineators just so in case I just threw

608
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,840
those in there each side of it just for

609
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,399
plow purposes that's one thing you do

610
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,760
you put you know this where the front

611
00:27:53,399 --> 00:27:56,399
and the back of them would be so the

612
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,559
plows know where they are that's what

613
00:27:56,399 --> 00:28:01,679
those are um the speed tables themselves

614
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:04,000
they're asphalt they're not very large

615
00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:05,200
um I I mean I can get a I can get a

616
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,279
pretty accurate appr from one of our

617
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:10,960
vendors

618
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:12,840
but $25 to $50,000 for for one I don't

619
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960
think it would be you know too too cost

620
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,880
prohibitive for putting one in maybe we

621
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,320
do it when we pave some of the road and

622
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,279
that can be you know absorbed into that

623
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,679
get a little bit more um efficiencies

624
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,559
out of it if we pave the road at the

625
00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:26,240
same

626
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:29,159
time on the

627
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,000
removables on the removable H that we

628
00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:32,000
purchased last year

629
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,559
$6,000 or that's put

630
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:48,159
16 just just follow so

631
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,000
Mr budget is end of this month is it

632
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:53,200
possible for you to consider maybe put

633
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:55,279
that in your Capital um so what I have

634
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,679
in my capital budget going for next year

635
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:58,360
I have a meeting with Anthony but

636
00:28:56,679 --> 00:29:00,880
usually what I request is somewhere

637
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,880
around a million half $2.5 million for

638
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,640
General Paving which is above and beyond

639
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,880
what the state gives us and in that we

640
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,640
usually leave it open and we call it

641
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
know it used to be called road paving

642
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,799
program now we call it the street

643
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Improvement program and we leave the

644
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,159
bond language a little bit more open so

645
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,880
that this would be under that program so

646
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:21,559
that's how we would be doing things is

647
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,039
that can you can you create a separate

648
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:27,799
line for Speed table speed home and

649
00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:30,240
allocate money on just so it's budgeted

650
00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:32,120
just you see it yes I could ask Anthony

651
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,519
to do that yes well yeah it would be a

652
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,399
smaller one yes

653
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:38,960
something any just would doing that

654
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:42,960
based on estimates at this point in time

655
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,440
yes Mr yeah oh I just want to

656
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,000
logistically uh go through this if I can

657
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,399
right now if you all want to I I

658
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,960
provided uh the draft ordinance to you

659
00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:54,240
which is Incorporated in slide number

660
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,120
two if you want to go with that you

661
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,360
would have to have a public hearing now

662
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,600
the public hearing would either be you

663
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,640
know the same night you're doing the

664
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,240
public hearing for the budget in mid

665
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,840
October or putting it out for the second

666
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:10,080
meeting in in in October and then

667
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,880
regarding the the language and then the

668
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:16,000
uh the speed table request procedure we

669
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,240
would do is after you have your public

670
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,399
hearing vote on the ordinance that same

671
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,039
night you could do a resolution end

672
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:25,080
endorsing the policy whatever you may

673
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:29,640
agree to because section two of that

674
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:33,159
ordinance will will uh uh has the U

675
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:36,600
process where you're uh agreeing or

676
00:30:33,159 --> 00:30:40,440
inputting on the uh on the uh on the

677
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:42,679
guidance issued by the city engineer so

678
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,880
logistically you know for thinking ahead

679
00:30:42,679 --> 00:30:48,240
here you know it's up to you what you

680
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,760
all want to do public hearing is because

681
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,440
of the way the schedule is is not going

682
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,880
to be until the the public hearing for

683
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,919
the the

684
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,880
budget you may want to think about

685
00:30:56,919 --> 00:31:01,480
putting it off to the end of October

686
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,519
because you'll have a full plate of sure

687
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,440
on that night for the budget so we could

688
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:09,760
do you know if you want this language we

689
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,639
could do you know pass out tonight the

690
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,639
resolution calling for a public hearing

691
00:31:11,639 --> 00:31:17,799
but the public hearing would be at that

692
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:20,399
second me in in uh

693
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,639
October FR so yeah I was just wondering

694
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:23,120
about it's like I know that you're

695
00:31:21,639 --> 00:31:24,559
saying that we have a pretty limited

696
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,960
data set just because we only use that

697
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:29,919
on doing ad but don't we have some data

698
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,120
like our Smart City stuff and you know

699
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:34,000
some of those some of the other uh kind

700
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,720
of traffic sets we've been doing

701
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,159
collecting data around like uh street

702
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,880
warer is that is any of that data would

703
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:42,039
that be applicable to this we can say

704
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,840
okay this looks like more trouble we

705
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:46,760
have data but that's what I was is uh as

706
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Brian myself and the and the police

707
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,519
department are using that data to

708
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,840
identify areas that would be best

709
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,360
probable areas to put these systems but

710
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,120
it wouldn't help us with them cuz we

711
00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:00,320
don't have anything like this out there

712
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,840
Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and

713
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,720
like I said we just used yes it was that

714
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,880
one case study to to move forward and

715
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,320
and we can identify it was

716
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,799
uh but no I I don't think I don't think

717
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,519
the data that we have today we could use

718
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,840
to justify you know the success in one

719
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,600
of these cuz we don't have anything out

720
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,760
there this these are these are different

721
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,000
kinds of systems and these are

722
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,720
they're they're very unique to have on a

723
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,960
public prob you know even use to in

724
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,360
parking lotes and things like that I

725
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,559
don't think we can make that and Bri you

726
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:34,559
disagree with that I no

727
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:37,440
so miss Patrick but we do have the

728
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:39,039
example of the city of Aly and the debt

729
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,440
and all that they've been doing that we

730
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:43,440
could look to correct and I work with I

731
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,480
work with uh with them quite a bit and I

732
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,720
also work like I said we're working with

733
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,240
the cap region Transportation Council

734
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,159
and we can work with them I'm not I'm

735
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,960
not

736
00:32:51,159 --> 00:32:56,760
too I am not too concerned about if they

737
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,279
will be effective it's just where they

738
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,320
will be effective and getting the

739
00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:02,240
policies and procedures right so that

740
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,480
you know we're we're the one kind of

741
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,240
steering with the implementation of them

742
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,639
and how they're placed because I think

743
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,080
it was a good study I really do think

744
00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:11,279
that the way having the study was a good

745
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,840
study and we got good results in Albany

746
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,039
you know they clearly saw it was good

747
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,399
and they're making the investment and

748
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,840
you're seeing this as to combat it um

749
00:33:17,399 --> 00:33:21,039
and we like I said we're using the data

750
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:23,159
to pull it together we're looking at

751
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:25,159
it's it's a it's a tool it's not the

752
00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:26,960
tool but it is a tool just like last

753
00:33:25,159 --> 00:33:28,440
presentation I said these are all the

754
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,799
tools that we have

755
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,200
and I I think that we could start

756
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,760
looking at the new ones that I didn't

757
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,519
bother talking about speed cameras or

758
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,159
bus cameras or things like that but all

759
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:42,279
those are are useful tools when used

760
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:46,039
correctly um well just um so with the

761
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:49,440
1.5 million for Paving or I think you

762
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,519
said um with that also I mean I guess I

763
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,840
just want to make sure that we have

764
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:54,320
enough money um or at least we have the

765
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,960
ability to discuss whether we're going

766
00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:00,159
to have enough money um if we were going

767
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,200
to do the cameras or um you know any

768
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:06,919
other kinds of traffic caling

769
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,320
measures um I I don't know how the it

770
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:10,720
like traffic cameras and that I don't

771
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,919
know how that would work um with regards

772
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:15,359
to paying money um but I mean so

773
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,639
somewhere in the budget I mean it

774
00:34:15,359 --> 00:34:18,280
doesn't have to be in the paving line

775
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:22,079
but yeah would You' like to see if we

776
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:24,440
could put something yes okay please Mr

777
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:26,440
for so I just want to be clear are we

778
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,480
going to be doing are we going to be um

779
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,560
doing Runway Road

780
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,359
before this you moving forward with this

781
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,119
is there going to be a pilot over there

782
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:38,040
as well I know that was our intention is

783
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:40,599
it still going to happen this year at

784
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:45,200
all we can do it at all yes this year it

785
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:46,839
will be difficult Mr so the the Smart

786
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,720
City things that we've implemented th

787
00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:50,520
far and it's kind of similar question

788
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:52,320
but just from a different position I'm

789
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,040
kind of thinking about what M Patrick

790
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,119
was saying can is is any of that

791
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:01,400
technology is it applicable for us to

792
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:04,079
use the data and or maybe leverage some

793
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,160
of that existing technology to use as

794
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,560
far as like maybe the corporation of

795
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,280
traffic Camas I'm just trying to think

796
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,040
like is there another application to

797
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,680
some of that smart City's money that's

798
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,960
been spent and can we leverage that to

799
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,960
help

800
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,000
within I I don't believe so at time if

801
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:24,599
the cameras if the cameras could detect

802
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,720
the plates which they may be able to and

803
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:28,760
detect the speed we're not legally

804
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,920
allowed to tick it for to send out

805
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,520
notices I don't believe I mean that was

806
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,359
like what we're talking about is we

807
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:38,040
could buying the camera is just the

808
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:40,280
material item but the the step that we

809
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,599
need to complete is the legislation

810
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,400
request it's kind of similar what we're

811
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:45,000
doing here is that I know that it just

812
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,720
feels completely bureaucratic and like

813
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,920
we're not doing anything but working

814
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,599
with uh the legal office you know this

815
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,400
is what we're saying is that if we can

816
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:55,480
really get the code change the policy

817
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,640
form in place and some of these details

818
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,040
worked out it'll set us up so that next

819
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,240
next year because you know we're going

820
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,599
into October that next year we're we're

821
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,480
ready we're planning in the winter we're

822
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,359
bidding in the spring and next year we

823
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,839
kind of have a plan of what we're what

824
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:12,160
our our attack is so that we're hitting

825
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:13,599
the ground running um I mean it's very

826
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000
similar what we're talking about with

827
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:18,480
the speed limit reduction um you know so

828
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,280
I talked with the the crtc today and

829
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,560
Brian and you know what they're doing is

830
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,680
they're consulted Brian sending over our

831
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,800
our signage plan they're doing some

832
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,200
traffic surveys and just to reiterate

833
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,240
you know that's why what this says 25

834
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:36,640
mph Mr I have

835
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:40,359
no uh hesitation or or or thought about

836
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,839
local roads going to 25 it's the half

837
00:36:40,359 --> 00:36:45,200
dozen to a dozen roads that are in that

838
00:36:42,839 --> 00:36:47,839
that area so they asked what do we want

839
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,760
to look like you know and it's Broadway

840
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:51,160
what is Broadway you know Broadway is

841
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,520
the one street that goes this way I

842
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,920
didn't know knowing the geography of the

843
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:58,960
city like I know we all do Union Eastern

844
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,079
State Albany right they all go that

845
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,680
Broadway is the only street that goes

846
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,880
that way all right so I just like can

847
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,319
you look at it can you give me your

848
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,960
opinion on what Broadway is same thing

849
00:37:05,319 --> 00:37:09,040
where it's splits the Gilder you know

850
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,160
we're looking at it from a traffic from

851
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,440
a density you know uh a little bit of

852
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,760
eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie

853
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,200
bouevard is changing and maybe the

854
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,319
speeds aren't high enough anyways um so

855
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,200
there's certain streets you're going to

856
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:22,400
be looking at but 95% of the roads we

857
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,800
know the recommendations is going to be

858
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,240
they local they're 25 and we're also

859
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,720
stating if you look in your procedure

860
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,480
which I didn't think that you know had

861
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:32,119
time to read that whole thing is that

862
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,640
part of that is saying we really only

863
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,720
want to put these traffic control

864
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,920
devices on local

865
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,720
roads we we I had that in the

866
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,880
presentation slide last time which was

867
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,119
the the emergency routes the arterials

868
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,280
we really you don't want to go driving

869
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,200
down State Street and then all of a

870
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,520
sudden oh my God there's a Beed that's

871
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,240
not that's not appropriate you know we

872
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,960
want to keep you we actually want

873
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:54,160
traffic to go onto State Street we want

874
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,319
traffic to go on the Union Street you

875
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,599
know that's one of those things like

876
00:37:55,319 --> 00:38:00,119
mlen Street for example I know that it's

877
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:03,200
primarily residential but you want the

878
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,599
traffic on mclen street that is the main

879
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,359
route you don't want the traffic to go

880
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,839
onto Parkwood or Arsley you want and

881
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:12,240
then you know the residents that are on

882
00:38:10,839 --> 00:38:15,359
those

883
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:18,560
streets it's it is what it is that is a

884
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:20,440
a more of a collector grow um so you

885
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,920
just have to you try that's the that's

886
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,640
the fear is if you start doing you start

887
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,800
getting people onto that um but it's a

888
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,359
it's a balance that we're trying to do

889
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,839
and I think that's actual a really good

890
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:32,640
Segway my one question right two was

891
00:38:30,839 --> 00:38:35,920
related to the minimum distance for K

892
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,599
streets that 500 ft um and then the

893
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,079
second part is can you talk about that

894
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:43,560
makeup speed so the one question is 500

895
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:46,359
ft would most of our local roads like um

896
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,680
meet that condition and the second is

897
00:38:46,359 --> 00:38:49,680
does the length of the street have

898
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,040
anything to do or does it affect the

899
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,000
that makeup speed we're talking about

900
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,800
with putting in pumps all right brief

901
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,800
cuz I know what you're talking about

902
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,240
so you're talking about streets of less

903
00:39:02,319 --> 00:39:07,359
than 500

904
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:09,280
and uh so the first question was um the

905
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:11,440
500 ft didn't have a minimum distance of

906
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,680
500 ft between existing stop signs or

907
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,960
traffic signals it it's just trying to

908
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,400
put something where it's a short block

909
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,839
you don't have something in the middle

910
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,920
500 ft we're looking at um I believe the

911
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:25,520
the original one that we're looking at

912
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,560
was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it

913
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,040
down a little bit um and and that is one

914
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,800
of the issues that we're going to see is

915
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,920
that's where this is really going to get

916
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,040
a little complex is that if we do this

917
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,640
on a longer Road there's quite a few

918
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,000
that we're going to start installing and

919
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,560
the road is going to you know one of

920
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,440
there's a road in colon that was one of

921
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,760
the first to do this by a school um I

922
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,880
can't remember it's right off of uh San

923
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,680
Creek Road I believe but they have speed

924
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,760
speed humps all the way down um and they

925
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,400
have to be spaced appropriately so you

926
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,920
so you know what you're what to expect

927
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,839
as you go

928
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:03,079
but I I'll look in but the idea is is

929
00:40:00,839 --> 00:40:04,359
that you just don't have one on a very

930
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:08,160
short

931
00:40:04,359 --> 00:40:09,960
block and then a second question was in

932
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,800
the actual PowerPoint I think it was the

933
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,680
first actual Slide the Article 2 traffic

934
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,920
regulations I know we've talked a lot

935
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,640
about stop signs and LED lights do you

936
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,280
think that'd be an appropriate Landing

937
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,119
space for that to be included I know

938
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,440
you've talked about like the true

939
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,640
definition of traffic calling measures

940
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,960
but I think in my head and

941
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,680
conceptionally of a lot of members in

942
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,760
the community they would see those as

943
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,599
also um so would you think that is

944
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,560
appropriate to put or add to that or

945
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,760
does it already capture that yeah Mr

946
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,560
chairman if I can yeah I I think that's

947
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,040
already captured it matters under the

948
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,119
city Authority crosswalk safety zone

949
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:46,680
traffic Lanes traffic control U signals

950
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:49,520
Etc so those types of issues I think are

951
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:52,880
addressed earlier also referring to the

952
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:56,160
uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and

953
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,240
traffic law so those issues regarding

954
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,680
stop signs are are are addressed earlier

955
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:03,040
I think what the you know Mr wallan was

956
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,359
concerned about is because we're getting

957
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,440
into a realm of Cafe traffic calming

958
00:41:06,359 --> 00:41:12,480
devices which are a

959
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:17,000
different uh entity than a stop sign uh

960
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:21,599
speed hum speed speed traffic tables Etc

961
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:25,000
tra um um school zone cameras

962
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:26,880
Etc that wasn't in the code and that's

963
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,359
why the city engineer was looking for

964
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,520
that new new section to create that

965
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:33,440
because it just didn't Envision those

966
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,520
types of devices but the more

967
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,520
traditional devices the stop signs Etc

968
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,480
that's already in the in the engineers

969
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,079
Authority we did something similar to

970
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,839
this 8 years ago where our parking

971
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,760
sections of the code which is also under

972
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:51,359
city engineer Authority did not

973
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,160
anticipate apps or kiosks the the

974
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:56,359
parking code only made reference to

975
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,880
meters and coins and tokens so we had an

976
00:41:56,359 --> 00:42:00,200
issued a token

977
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,680
in you know about 15 years 20 years at

978
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,240
that point so we we updated the code so

979
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,720
this is similar here that the traffic

980
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,359
calming measures and these are even

981
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:10,560
phrases that weren't said when when was

982
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:12,839
traffic calming

983
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,760
was I think I just want to say that I

984
00:42:12,839 --> 00:42:18,800
think one of um Mr wall suggestions was

985
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,599
um adding and similar devices at the end

986
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,119
of that first sentence so that might

987
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:26,640
cover some but also you know but not

988
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:30,240
limited to I think that's radens it you

989
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:32,680
know another these are examples so as

990
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,119
new types of devices are developed you

991
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,880
always put that in there so it's not

992
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:38,440
limited it's just those are the types of

993
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,839
devices that will go into that section

994
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,359
yeah I think often times that

995
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:43,760
specifically with like job applications

996
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:45,720
they put that as or other duties as aign

997
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,760
so I think to those around the table and

998
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,839
I imagine some those that you work

999
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,319
closely with this is common language but

1000
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:52,359
just breaking it out for some people who

1001
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:54,079
are Tuning In For the First Time hello

1002
00:42:52,359 --> 00:42:56,280
then it also includes other areas as

1003
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,000
well um so unless there are any other

1004
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,520
questions or comments

1005
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,200
um I think Mr O'Brian you asking for us

1006
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,079
to public hearing public hearing so we

1007
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,559
need to move for a public hearing Mr the

1008
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:11,079
only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you

1009
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:13,200
were asking about um doing this and

1010
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:15,000
having the passing the resolution on the

1011
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,920
same day I'm you know I'm a little

1012
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,760
reluctant to do that you can do that

1013
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,040
it's an option you can it's an option

1014
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,240
people come to speak at public hearing

1015
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,800
and if people come we don't want to say

1016
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:28,359
okay no going to move ahead so prer to

1017
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,119
stretch that out and what I let me just

1018
00:43:28,359 --> 00:43:32,559
clarify I mean when you pass the

1019
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,160
ordinance when you pass the ordinance

1020
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:36,160
creating that new section it's not in

1021
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,599
the public hearing of doing that on the

1022
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,119
same NE what I'm saying is that when you

1023
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,760
pass the or after you have the public

1024
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:46,880
hearing the week transpired you goes to

1025
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,400
committee one more time at that point

1026
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:52,040
you'll be looking at the the the the

1027
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,839
policy and guidance and then you'll be

1028
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,760
looking at the Ordinance one last time

1029
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,480
and then you can pass both out at the

1030
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,680
next time and I'm saying is the

1031
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:03,480
resolution for the uh the uh the

1032
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,839
guidance can go at the same time and

1033
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,000
then you pass the ordinance that's

1034
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:10,240
clarification thank

1035
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,040
you so unless there any other questions

1036
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:15,839
or further um

1037
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,760
breakdowns so we're moving to call for

1038
00:44:15,839 --> 00:44:23,960
public hearing to amend CH section

1039
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:29,440
24811 and to CH 228

1040
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:31,920
19 yes so second second all in favor hi

1041
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,319
uh then next are you enjoying the

1042
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,400
traffic safety presentations I am okay

1043
00:44:35,319 --> 00:44:41,200
there's a new thing for me to do a

1044
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:44,040
presentation thank you very much thank

1045
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:47,079
you just point clarification that will

1046
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,319
be the the second meeting in October yes

1047
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,559
we're going to call for the public

1048
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:53,000
hearing but we're not going to have it

1049
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:56,079
until the second meeting in October yes

1050
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:58,400
okay so the second item on the agenda

1051
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:01,359
tonight is uh discussion to amend city

1052
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,960
code chapter 182 um last week we're able

1053
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:04,559
to have a special meeting which I

1054
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,880
thought was very informational and

1055
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:09,040
allowed us to have a very detailed

1056
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,280
conversation uh about the matter so just

1057
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,040
wanting to snapshot uh what was

1058
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,760
discussed I broke it down into three

1059
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,640
areas enforcement law and Council so the

1060
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,800
enforcement it was identified that noise

1061
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,960
complaints are a low lower priority

1062
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,160
calls which delay response times and are

1063
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,599
restricted to Staffing constraints

1064
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,319
however there will be future discussions

1065
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:31,040
to expand uh to incorporate drones as

1066
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:33,119
Force responders pending statutory uh

1067
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,680
obligations uh areas of focus are going

1068
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:36,760
to be communicating noise complaint

1069
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,079
warnings during ship change uh

1070
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,240
increasing education to inform offenders

1071
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:44,599
of potential fines and a potential

1072
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:47,040
permit process uh three seeking Clarity

1073
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,839
on appearance tickets uh and four

1074
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,119
granting officers the ability to seize

1075
00:45:48,839 --> 00:45:53,839
or remove noise reproducing

1076
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,319
equipment uh the next area which was law

1077
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,160
identified that plea Agreements are

1078
00:45:55,319 --> 00:46:00,119
commonly sought out to limit the volum

1079
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,400
of Trials and increasing uh fee

1080
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,160
collection and justifying attempts to

1081
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,760
enforce penalties in full will require

1082
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,839
or was recommended uh to increase

1083
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,000
penalties uh to support more frequent

1084
00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:14,640
Court appearances and then the areas are

1085
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,400
focused in that area was uh how many

1086
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,640
fines were collected in 2024 uh what

1087
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,240
information is needed to charge to file

1088
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,880
charges or penalties uh advising

1089
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,800
religious or cultural ceremonies of

1090
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,400
proper concept or potential permit

1091
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,880
processes again and then evaluating

1092
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,119
penalties against

1093
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:35,000
installers uh the next area which was

1094
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,960
the council or think us uh was there

1095
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,520
appeared to be an equal consensus with

1096
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,800
raising and keeping penalties at their

1097
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,839
current level uh the areas of focus um

1098
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,960
identifying reviewing code and penalties

1099
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:49,359
against Vehicles pets construction and

1100
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,880
Firework noise offenders uh posting

1101
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:54,400
signage to monitor noise and parks with

1102
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:57,160
non-emergent police numbers and then

1103
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:00,000
updating chapter 183 which noise

1104
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,119
ordinance to raise point value for noise

1105
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,119
complaints and then overall I just

1106
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:06,079
wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor

1107
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:07,599
commissioner nine assistant chief

1108
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,480
antonovich and Miss barash for

1109
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,640
acknowledging this greater issue or

1110
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400
growing issue and placing an important

1111
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:17,160
emphasis on educating our community and

1112
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,640
then in um wanted to just capture

1113
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,800
everything next steps were to identify

1114
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,960
chapter 183 uh to review the process for

1115
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,920
civilian complaints and their needed

1116
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,559
documentation and a ating the penalty

1117
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,119
schedule in addition to evaluating a

1118
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,359
potential permit process moving forward

1119
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:37,400
so at this time I want to ask if there

1120
00:47:34,359 --> 00:47:39,599
are any Ms or any further comments about

1121
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,559
the event from the

1122
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:44,240
colleagues the only thing I you said

1123
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:47,960
chapter 183 was a noise when

1124
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,920
it okay just want thank you for people

1125
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,079
listening other than that I think that

1126
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:54,440
you've captured what we had a and you

1127
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,240
know if you don't mind we had a we had a

1128
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,480
a lengthy discussion an hour and a an

1129
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:00,440
hour and a half which I think is very

1130
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,760
beneficial but it just goes to what Mr W

1131
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,200
was actually saying why it's important

1132
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,599
that we have those kind of committee

1133
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,240
meetings outside of um the meeting here

1134
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:09,640
so we can really dive in and and have uh

1135
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,319
other individuals who need to be there

1136
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,160
to give us information there so thank

1137
00:48:11,319 --> 00:48:16,319
you for pulling that together absolutely

1138
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:19,280
I um I was just wondering um did you

1139
00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:21,720
mention the discussion that we had and

1140
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,240
you might have um about how do we get

1141
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:24,839
people to change their behavior and be

1142
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:27,559
more respectful of their neighbors in

1143
00:48:24,839 --> 00:48:29,200
terms of that education

1144
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:31,680
yeah I wrote that into like the greater

1145
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,079
like educating our community um but

1146
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,119
definitely I appreciate um making sure

1147
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:39,480
that that is also captured that's a huge

1148
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:43,319
part as well Mr yeah Jan just add to

1149
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:46,000
that very good detail um description I

1150
00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:48,160
had ask um Corporation Council to look

1151
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,559
into legislation in terms of um

1152
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,760
loudspeaker and the exhaust if we can

1153
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:56,040
able to legislate that locally here as a

1154
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:58,200
state law but uh or Corporation Council

1155
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,839
um is looking into that if we can do

1156
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,960
something local and also drone as a

1157
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:04,880
force responder if we need legislation

1158
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,160
for that if we're going to use the Drone

1159
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:10,280
as for responders so that we put some

1160
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:13,920
protection to our Police Department

1161
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:16,000
whenever that is um used as a for

1162
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,599
respond and the same thing also to AC

1163
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:21,400
you mention forit legislation on and

1164
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:23,280
forit application as we move forward to

1165
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,319
in this

1166
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,280
section thank you any other questions or

1167
00:49:25,319 --> 00:49:30,440
comments Mr Patrick I don't I mean I

1168
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:32,400
know I uh sent late uh my suggestions

1169
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,119
based on our meeting on Friday and I

1170
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,640
didn't know if others did but can we try

1171
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,440
to I mean I don't know I guess the next

1172
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,720
step we have to continue this discussion

1173
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,880
so could we um maybe have if if other

1174
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,200
council members and and Mr Williams's

1175
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,680
comments that he just made it would be

1176
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,280
great to have all those in front of us

1177
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,680
and to help us prepare for when we do

1178
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,680
that the next discussion or I would say

1179
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,359
I took into consideration so these were

1180
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,119
not all inclusive like my thoughts it

1181
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:00,119
was a capture of the event and then what

1182
00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:02,760
I received so far oh okay

1183
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,440
okay and then mrb had your hand rais

1184
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,839
again yeah I'm regarding vehic and

1185
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,000
traffic while we look under there um

1186
00:50:06,839 --> 00:50:12,240
there is

1187
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:15,599
a currently in the code a section on

1188
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,079
noisy vehicles um that covers a number

1189
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:21,160
of

1190
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:25,079
situations um and that uh

1191
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:27,160
so these vehicles is it's looking under

1192
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:30,000
1824

1193
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,599
uh we can also look that look at that in

1194
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,680
conjunction with anything the vehicle

1195
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:37,200
and traffic law that also deals with

1196
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:40,680
loud mufflers etc for for violations of

1197
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,920
the state vehicle and traffic law and

1198
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,119
regarding the issue as to drones and

1199
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:49,960
that one we have to be very careful

1200
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:52,920
about that um invasion of privacy Etc um

1201
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:57,920
because drones um have to be used in a

1202
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:05,160
very circumstan type Manner and

1203
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:08,119
um um so that will require research but

1204
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:10,599
it's could be peering into areas that

1205
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:13,160
you're not supposed to be peering into

1206
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,400
because it's one thing to have cameras

1207
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:19,400
on a in a public way just thing is going

1208
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:22,599
into private areas one must be very very

1209
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,960
careful and uh also technology wise do

1210
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:26,920
we have the technology to do that do the

1211
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,720
officers have the ability to capture

1212
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,839
sounds off of that and also regarding

1213
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:35,160
when they're responding to the scene do

1214
00:51:32,839 --> 00:51:38,280
their body cameras pick up those types

1215
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:42,160
of what as they're approaching the scene

1216
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:45,000
is it is it picking up the the the sound

1217
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,599
in in in realistic terms and whether

1218
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:50,559
that can also be downloaded to be used

1219
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,599
in a at a court seed so those are

1220
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:54,359
obviously legal and technical issues

1221
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:57,119
that have to be

1222
00:51:54,359 --> 00:51:59,319
addressed Qui and actually some those a

1223
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,480
couple the Drone specifically I brought

1224
00:51:59,319 --> 00:52:02,799
up because I had concerns about what

1225
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,280
people would be thinking about drones

1226
00:52:02,799 --> 00:52:07,359
flying over their houses because they're

1227
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:09,960
having a party um but uh commissioner

1228
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:11,760
Divine was here so we did ask them to

1229
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,240
concern you know to bring information

1230
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,559
about whe whether or not that's

1231
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:18,440
something that we could do

1232
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:20,680
legally um so and you're right it does

1233
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,920
has have about the noise in the

1234
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,640
ordinance already but we the um the

1235
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,960
modified Mufflers was one of the things

1236
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,400
which is actually in here but uh that

1237
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,880
was there was that one and there was one

1238
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,680
other thing about the cars okay well I

1239
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,640
mean there may be something in the VNT

1240
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:38,119
law the vehicle and traffic law that

1241
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,920
will address that as well so we can we

1242
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:42,240
can take a look at that so for the next

1243
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,240
meeting I think it would be helpful to

1244
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:46,359
have that if there's anything within the

1245
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,880
vehicle and traffic wall to have that

1246
00:52:46,359 --> 00:52:52,200
information provided for us as well

1247
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,280
sounds good far just really quick and

1248
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,760
and you guys might have covered this

1249
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,599
point I'm just wondering about when we

1250
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,400
you know respond

1251
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:03,559
and timeas O'Brien's point there

1252
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:06,799
different you know are all the you know

1253
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:09,760
body cans are they all you know equipped

1254
00:53:06,799 --> 00:53:11,880
to measure whatever sound deciel that

1255
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,599
we're at right this first cuz right now

1256
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,760
I know that you know from my

1257
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,880
understanding it are they shaking their

1258
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,599
head enough so what they told us at the

1259
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,480
meeting was there's no there's they

1260
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,000
don't have any deso meetings right now

1261
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,680
it's whether you can hear it within 50

1262
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:29,119
ft so if you have really good hearing

1263
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:33,000
are not so great here uh so that's what

1264
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:34,920
um assistant chief right anovich um said

1265
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,640
that within 50 ft is the guideline right

1266
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:39,000
now you can hear it within 50 ft and

1267
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,480
it's too

1268
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,480
L concerned

1269
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,839
about sounds like you guys were

1270
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,559
addressing some of the um cultural

1271
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:49,880
celebrations and things like that I just

1272
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,799
think since already on I just kind of

1273
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,319
highlight that make sure that because

1274
00:53:52,799 --> 00:53:57,680
leading things up to a certain level of

1275
00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:00,280
discuss cause

1276
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,040
you can um unintentionally un

1277
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,720
perpetually you know some biases and

1278
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,079
again it's a tough thing to talk about

1279
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,720
but you probably just make sure that

1280
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:07,559
that's at the front of our mind have

1281
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,839
this

1282
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:11,559
conversation and then to that point I

1283
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:13,599
think just trying to evaluate areas in

1284
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:16,040
which the code can be responsive to our

1285
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:18,680
changing Society while still being

1286
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:21,920
adherent to like emerging technology and

1287
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:24,400
its um uh and this impact on people's

1288
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:27,520
lives IE the drones um but then also how

1289
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:31,079
do we use technology that's coming in um

1290
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:33,400
to leverage to really reduce or improve

1291
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,680
I'd say say quality of life for for

1292
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:38,240
residents so I think this wi has a

1293
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:42,079
really big emphasis on just people being

1294
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:43,559
aware of the impact of their actions um

1295
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:45,520
then also understand there's no perfect

1296
00:54:43,559 --> 00:54:48,599
solution so the thing we kind of started

1297
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:51,160
off with was this issue noise is not

1298
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:53,839
something that's specific or unique

1299
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,839
to but I do appreciate how our city is

1300
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:57,720
very uh open and acknowledging of these

1301
00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:59,280
types of issues and seeks to address

1302
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,960
them head on so I think with

1303
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,400
conversations continuing I think we'll

1304
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,160
continue to position ourselves to

1305
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,880
address this m point so there any other

1306
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,960
questions or

1307
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,400
comments yeah just as a followup

1308
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,599
regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh

1309
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,240
under 1825 with standards reasonable

1310
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:20,079
noise our code incorporates by reference

1311
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:22,880
a section of the vehicle and traffic LA

1312
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:25,960
will we'll discuss that in detail next

1313
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:30,160
time that section so um everybody knows

1314
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:32,200
what that that entails um and the uh the

1315
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,839
uh

1316
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,440
1825 mentions that section regarding

1317
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:39,359
automobiles but it also goes through a

1318
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:41,960
whole list of criteria which is but not

1319
00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:45,079
limited to so it's it's the whole it's

1320
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,520
is it's broad dealing with that with

1321
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,400
that issue it's it's included but not

1322
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,960
limited to it's a whole different

1323
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:55,280
factors the time of the day weather is

1324
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:57,400
noise the duration of the noise so um

1325
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,640
those are all factors that our current

1326
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,160
ordinance already covers but we will

1327
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,160
take a look at that and uh report back

1328
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:07,039
regarding vehic on traffic

1329
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:09,240
law incorporation which is good that

1330
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:11,240
that it's already that law is already

1331
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:14,880
Incorporated by reference into our our

1332
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:19,319
stat our ordinance so that's good

1333
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:21,839
andrick is 50 foot um that we discussed

1334
00:56:19,319 --> 00:56:24,799
instead of the decel the 80 decel

1335
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:28,200
reading is that in your it is in your

1336
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:30,280
okay it's

1337
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,319
no I know but um basically it was

1338
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,319
explained to us that rather than using

1339
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:38,480
that they're using the 50

1340
00:56:35,319 --> 00:56:43,720
50t measure because it don't want the

1341
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:44,920
device right but yeah so not I mean I

1342
00:56:43,720 --> 00:56:46,359
think we we're going to go to our

1343
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,520
meeting other meeting and really discuss

1344
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:50,599
it more but actually in our in our code

1345
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:53,799
it refers to 25

1346
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:55,559
ft when uh assistant chief anovich I

1347
00:56:53,799 --> 00:56:58,160
think he was talking about the vehicle

1348
00:56:55,559 --> 00:57:00,720
traffic um about another ordinance

1349
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:07,400
because in here it says 25 clearly

1350
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:10,000
25 so that's um on page no I got it see

1351
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,280
that any other questions or comments

1352
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,160
hearing

1353
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,920
on so moving on to the last agenda item

1354
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:19,920
is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the

1355
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,920
civilian police review

1356
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,680
board uh

1357
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:31,400
hello um Anthony Jud has shown interest

1358
00:57:29,319 --> 00:57:33,839
in participating in the civilian police

1359
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,240
review board his resume was brought

1360
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:39,760
forth by deine and Carl brought it forth

1361
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,440
to the mayor um the mayor did meet with

1362
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,440
him on Wednesday August 28th and those

1363
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,400
want to proceive and appointing him to

1364
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,079
the

1365
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:55,400
board yeah so thank you for that so

1366
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:57,520
um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him

1367
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,280
he's been here sever times maybe know it

1368
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,440
was but one of the two gentlemen that

1369
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,160
have been coming here to meetings um

1370
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,520
pretty consistently and uh showed an

1371
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,160
interest and they actually forwarded

1372
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:10,760
their resume and and Miss paler and Mr

1373
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,480
Williams just trying to make sure I got

1374
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,720
pushed through the process so there was

1375
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,160
two of them that actually were

1376
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:22,079
interested and so one of them the mayor

1377
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:24,240
met with yes and chose um Mr J yes to be

1378
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:27,000
there you have questions

1379
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,960
comments motion second second all those

1380
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,880
in favor I are there any items to call

1381
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:35,319
Public Safety hearing may have motion to

1382
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:37,400
adour so move so move second CL in favor

1383
00:58:35,319 --> 00:58:39,640
I we

1384
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,640
are I would like to call the finance

1385
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,480
committee to order on the fourth item is

1386
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:47,000
the

1387
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:50,079
2024 2025 final annual action plan

1388
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,839
allocation Vice Miss

1389
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:57,359
car good evening City Council Members

1390
00:58:52,839 --> 00:59:00,799
I'll bring before you a updated Revis um

1391
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:02,760
version of our 2024-25 annual action

1392
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:04,359
plan after another review with HUD we

1393
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,039
had to make some slight adjustments to

1394
00:59:04,359 --> 00:59:08,520
our plan to make sure that we were

1395
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:11,839
aligned with our regulatory caps that we

1396
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:17,160
need to adhere to so I listed them out

1397
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:22,000
um we had to lessen our home admin by $

1398
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:26,559
7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat

1399
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:30,119
Humanity funding project by $ 7,127

1400
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:33,079
15 Habitat for Humanity home is a Cho

1401
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:35,200
and we have to have a minimum of 15% of

1402
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:37,720
our allocation go towards Cho and it's

1403
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,640
the one home project that had room um to

1404
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:42,680
still increase and we moov two cdbg

1405
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,680
projects and recategorize them in our

1406
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:47,119
nrsa area which is our neighborhood

1407
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:49,640
revitalization strategy area and those

1408
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:52,280
include the Empowerment Center and boys

1409
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:54,319
and girls club we move them because if

1410
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:57,359
they are in the nrsa area they don't

1411
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:59,119
have there is no C so it allowed us to

1412
00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:01,200
continue the funding with the other

1413
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,400
items under just regular cdbg which has

1414
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:07,760
a 7.5% um allocation

1415
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:10,200
cap the ACT today is um for city council

1416
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:14,640
to accept the new the revised annual

1417
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:17,760
action plan um with the Amendments

1418
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:20,400
indicated questions

1419
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:22,599
comments seeting down may have a motion

1420
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:26,039
to move this

1421
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:29,119
forward second all in favor I thank you

1422
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:32,440
thank you thank you the next item is the

1423
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:35,640
police department fees and revenue

1424
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:38,839
proposal assistance

1425
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:41,319
rle so back in last year when we were

1426
01:00:38,839 --> 01:00:43,680
going over the budget um one of the

1427
01:00:41,319 --> 01:00:46,799
items take away from the budget was um

1428
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:49,119
looking at our fees some of our fees are

1429
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:51,319
outdated and this is a step that I have

1430
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:54,400
taken after the budget into this year to

1431
01:00:51,319 --> 01:00:56,039
kind of look at it and um here we are

1432
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,079
today with the police department

1433
01:00:56,039 --> 01:01:01,520
presenting their fee

1434
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,960
proposal assistant chief it's all yours

1435
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,599
okay thank you very much uh so we're

1436
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,079
going to start off there's believe four

1437
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:10,119
different areas where I think the fees

1438
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:10,119
can be increased uh to start

1439
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,200
with we will go to the false alarm fees

1440
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,880
uh right now we'll get into what the

1441
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,319
extra false alarm fees are in the next

1442
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,880
slide but a false alarm is charged after

1443
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:24,799
four free false alarms within the city

1444
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,000
so if there's basically we go to

1445
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:30,079
someone's business or the residents four

1446
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:34,559
different times uh for false alarm for

1447
01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:37,039
faulty wiring or um the failure to

1448
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:39,680
maintain their alarm system we go there

1449
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:43,319
four times for free and the fifth one we

1450
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:47,720
charge $25 the second one we charg 50

1451
01:01:43,319 --> 01:01:50,000
third 75 and 125 Beyond from there so in

1452
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:53,599
2022 we took in a total of

1453
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,799
13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year

1454
01:01:53,599 --> 01:02:00,079
date we taken in 35,000

1455
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:01,559
it's section 124 is actually of the city

1456
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,240
code gives us what the persistent false

1457
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:08,000
alarm actually is um the yellow is what

1458
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:10,799
I propose as a change um one word goes

1459
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:14,559
from the two from the four to the two U

1460
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:18,960
this was last adopted in 1996 as

1461
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:21,359
well and the penalties for the offense

1462
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,000
are would stay exactly the same uh is

1463
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:26,960
the the code

1464
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:30,240
itself uh determines what a persistent

1465
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:33,279
false alarm actually is so that the

1466
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:36,079
penalties would stay the same so all in

1467
01:02:33,279 --> 01:02:38,000
all if we move the free alarms from 4

1468
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,920
down to two uh the city could expect

1469
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,720
between 20 to $25,000 a year in

1470
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,720
additional Revenue the reason why as

1471
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,599
it's important that we do this is uh

1472
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,039
people do have the options to get these

1473
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:51,279
fixed so we're not spending all of our

1474
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:52,960
time there most these police calls

1475
01:02:51,279 --> 01:02:54,680
involved all of them should by protocol

1476
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,359
have two officers go so sometimes it's

1477
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,720
two cars sometimes it's one car with two

1478
01:02:56,359 --> 01:03:00,039
officers but whenever there's an alarm

1479
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,119
um it's a higher priority call and

1480
01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:04,760
actually it's like the loud music calls

1481
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:06,720
um it's we take everyone seriously like

1482
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,079
it's a Burg in progress or something

1483
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:11,359
serious going on so we go lights and

1484
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,920
Sirens there stuff happens um it

1485
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:15,359
increases the danger for the officers

1486
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,160
and other people in the city so by doing

1487
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:20,440
this um hopefully it gets people

1488
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:22,319
motivated to get their alarms fixed and

1489
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,200
also if they don't it will generate more

1490
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:27,920
revenue for the

1491
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:31,839
city can we we ask questions during the

1492
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:33,760
presentation ex up to have I ask

1493
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:36,880
question as we go for

1494
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,839
slide so go ahead please okay my

1495
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:41,079
question is my question is um if you

1496
01:03:38,839 --> 01:03:43,559
could just go back to the uh slide where

1497
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:47,480
it's talking about yeah the

1498
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:50,760
fees I they're they're low those fees

1499
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,279
are low um I'm don't building on the

1500
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,799
discussion that we had the other evening

1501
01:03:52,279 --> 01:03:59,200
about the noise complaints yes ma um so

1502
01:03:56,799 --> 01:04:00,720
I'm I'm just wondering if other people

1503
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,279
feel like those are really low and

1504
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,680
should be increasing them or thinking

1505
01:04:02,279 --> 01:04:06,279
about increasing them so I will say that

1506
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:09,119
I dropped the ball on this and on other

1507
01:04:06,279 --> 01:04:11,119
ones I have uh recommendations or

1508
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:12,960
information from other towns and cities

1509
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:15,160
this one I did not look up what

1510
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,640
other well we did look at it because

1511
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,920
we're actually dropping the amount of

1512
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:22,039
free calls from four to two so there

1513
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:23,960
will be more Revenue in the back end so

1514
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:26,279
yes we can increase it but at the same

1515
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,559
time we're expanding no I I

1516
01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:31,039
either way we are still getting in

1517
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:34,319
Revenue additional revenue of um on high

1518
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:38,319
$25,000 and that's a best estimate okay

1519
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:41,039
great go ahead so yeah I I would

1520
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:43,319
agree pck I think that she's referring

1521
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:46,279
to that that increasing those fees I

1522
01:04:43,319 --> 01:04:48,640
would say increasing the fees as well as

1523
01:04:46,279 --> 01:04:51,520
um you know reducing the amount of

1524
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:53,640
quotequote food CS I think that um but I

1525
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:56,319
guess my question is now this includes

1526
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,880
on like fire alarms

1527
01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:58,839
business this is not fire alarms I know

1528
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,480
the fire department is working on

1529
01:04:58,839 --> 01:05:04,520
something else this is just the false

1530
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,480
alarms of Security Alarms okay okay they

1531
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,680
I believe that they are working on

1532
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,079
something as well okay

1533
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:12,599
good oh sorry how successful are we at

1534
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:15,039
collecting the fees that we currently

1535
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:16,720
have and know so I don't have the Law

1536
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:19,799
Department actually does that for us so

1537
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:21,960
I don't know I don't know off hand okay

1538
01:05:19,799 --> 01:05:24,520
I don't know you go back to current um

1539
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:27,240
data this is what we have in previous

1540
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:29,000
years yeah currently yeah but that

1541
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,359
doesn't tell me how many calls there

1542
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,680
were for the

1543
01:05:30,359 --> 01:05:35,640
income so I can get you that as well our

1544
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,760
Lieutenant on midnights he puts

1545
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,880
everything together and sends out our

1546
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:44,160
Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly

1547
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:46,720
and I can have I can figure out how many

1548
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,279
times I guess oh I guess lot the farm

1549
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,720
actually but they but they bill out from

1550
01:05:48,279 --> 01:05:53,480
there so I can follow up with the answer

1551
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:56,319
to that great so were we looking for a

1552
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:58,319
list of the calls no not at all so in

1553
01:05:56,319 --> 01:06:00,760
2022 let's use that for an example we

1554
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:03,720
know the income is

1555
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,520
13,750 we do not know what the income

1556
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,200
was generated from how many calls there

1557
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:09,680
were how many false alarms there were

1558
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,480
because we we just don't know the number

1559
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:14,000
so how many false alarms it take to

1560
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:18,559
generate that amount of money in that

1561
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:20,640
year and and also did every false alarm

1562
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,359
actually get paid did people actually

1563
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:25,279
pay it after when they were built so

1564
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:26,640
there may have been like let's say we

1565
01:06:25,279 --> 01:06:29,760
build I don't

1566
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,680
know 100 or something and then did it

1567
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:34,799
all 100 people pay or did only 75 people

1568
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:37,279
pay so we don't know that data so it

1569
01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:38,839
would be helpful when we we see the

1570
01:06:37,279 --> 01:06:39,599
income we just don't know what generated

1571
01:06:38,839 --> 01:06:41,640
the

1572
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:43,400
income when we were going through this

1573
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,760
you had a list of all the

1574
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,760
calls snapshot of some of the calls is

1575
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:51,400
that you can use that very same report

1576
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:53,920
to generate um previous years and to see

1577
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,720
um to attach the collection to that yes

1578
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:59,640
so I should be able to go back I know

1579
01:06:55,720 --> 01:07:03,200
have 24 and 23 I know previously the I

1580
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:05,079
questioned the um why there's such a

1581
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,839
different number in there and I believe

1582
01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:09,039
it was how we provided data to the live

1583
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:11,039
department when they actually build them

1584
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,520
out so I think there was a change in

1585
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:16,319
process along the way but I can look to

1586
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,480
see if I can get a number of how many

1587
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:21,400
people actually build and how many paid

1588
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,400
I can see if we get a

1589
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:27,680
Redemption no sorry so I two points

1590
01:07:26,119 --> 01:07:29,720
definitely to miss Patrick's Point I

1591
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,440
would like to see the fees increased cuz

1592
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,240
one of my thoughts is what is the

1593
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,319
opportunity cost or what is the cost of

1594
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,400
the officers responding to that and

1595
01:07:35,319 --> 01:07:39,200
going to another incident throughout the

1596
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,760
city um but I also want to kind of

1597
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,279
caution us at finding that right balance

1598
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:45,799
SO waiting to see what your um research

1599
01:07:43,279 --> 01:07:47,640
provides because although fees are

1600
01:07:45,799 --> 01:07:49,160
Revenue generating like you go too high

1601
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,480
and then you can kind of zero out that

1602
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,119
line so definitely it does require a bit

1603
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:56,240
of finesse

1604
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:58,079
absolutely what whates what is the

1605
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,799
suggestion to

1606
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:03,559
raise i' would like to see what other I

1607
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:06,039
don't have I don't have a

1608
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:07,720
suggestion I just want to say that when

1609
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:09,279
we consider as we're talking about these

1610
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,160
fees these aren't the only fees we're

1611
01:08:09,279 --> 01:08:12,760
talking

1612
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,920
about I want to make sure that you know

1613
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,040
we just aren't like feing people piure

1614
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,120
yes we have to definitely look at the

1615
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,000
big

1616
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:23,520
picture so we can come back to this way

1617
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,560
in terms of the

1618
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:28,359
feed the next one is a much smaller one

1619
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:32,640
it's a records

1620
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:35,199
fee we currently charge $20 for somebody

1621
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:38,719
who asked for a letter of Good Conduct

1622
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,520
or a uh letter for criminal history to

1623
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:43,719
show that they are they don't have a

1624
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:46,040
criminal history um some people want to

1625
01:08:43,719 --> 01:08:48,920
provide it to businesses or landlords

1626
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:51,480
that I'm being told we only you about 50

1627
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,520
of these a year it's not a very common

1628
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:56,759
thing um I believe it was 2000 was the

1629
01:08:54,520 --> 01:09:00,520
last time you looked at and it was $20

1630
01:08:56,759 --> 01:09:04,440
back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to

1631
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:06,600
that unit would raise ,000 $2,000

1632
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:09,520
depending on how many

1633
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:11,920
um employers we get for the year but

1634
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:11,920
that is

1635
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:18,440
a go ahead please um so for so for

1636
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,480
number three when you're ask talking

1637
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:23,279
about the U arrest files Etc how far are

1638
01:09:21,480 --> 01:09:25,560
you looking I mean we just looking at

1639
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:27,880
Connected are we looking in New York

1640
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:31,040
State I don't have that answer I will I

1641
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:33,960
can look for you I believe that is a all

1642
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:35,319
of all state I believe I believe that's

1643
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,199
all New York state but all New York

1644
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:40,719
State I believe so I could get an answer

1645
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:42,600
for that from our records and the other

1646
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:44,880
second part of that you say it says free

1647
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:47,319
to authorize agencies uh what

1648
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,799
constitutes an authorized agency and why

1649
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:52,600
aren't they pay paying

1650
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:54,560
for as well as an individual I believe

1651
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,199
that's like another Police Department or

1652
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,239
a establishes fees only for the police

1653
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:03,840
department so I believe that would be

1654
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:05,840
for uh FBI New York State Police they'll

1655
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,880
send us records back and forth and I

1656
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:11,840
believe that's was put in there to limit

1657
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:13,960
that but I I don't have the official so

1658
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,480
just if you so to expand on that just

1659
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,640
like say for instance you want to hire

1660
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:19,520
somebody and you can you get this

1661
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,840
information as well can I ask the police

1662
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,440
department for that if I'm interested in

1663
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,679
hiring someone no if I want to well if

1664
01:10:22,440 --> 01:10:25,640
we're going to hire somebody then we

1665
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:27,120
have to F bre you want somebody else

1666
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,159
have to sign off on it and he would have

1667
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,320
to authorize you to get it okay and

1668
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:33,640
provide a letter we we can't do it

1669
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,400
without that person's authorization in

1670
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,400
that case let say I'm willing I want

1671
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,560
this job I'm going to sign it would you

1672
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:42,080
then um charge the agency or

1673
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:43,960
organization that's going to hire for

1674
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,480
that record so we've never done that

1675
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,880
before I don't know if we can do that

1676
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:49,640
but um I've never seen that happen

1677
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,440
before this is usually I guess for when

1678
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,800
people travel also when they apply for

1679
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:54,880
pieces they need one of these um it's a

1680
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,040
letter that the records does a

1681
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:59,480
background check they submit a letter

1682
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,000
the chief has to sign off on it and say

1683
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:05,480
that what the records

1684
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:08,120
are oh obiously okay but I have a vis I

1685
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:09,880
don't know I I I didn't know that people

1686
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,920
needed that kind of stuff okay I guess

1687
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,960
it possibly depending where you're

1688
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,960
traveling too

1689
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,800
okay that's it for this

1690
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:25,560
section the next one goes into the

1691
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:28,640
parking finds this is a bigger one uh

1692
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:30,600
New York State set some limits to some

1693
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:35,640
parking fines or some fees to city

1694
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:38,360
council you U you guys set many more and

1695
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:43,080
next this right here is a summary of the

1696
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:45,560
top 10 items that can be changed and

1697
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:48,080
they're all that had over 112 or over

1698
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:52,400
100 issued within the last year so we

1699
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:55,600
did a rolling 12 Monon average uh and I

1700
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,600
looked at Troy Albany and a little bit

1701
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,520
more information on that as well but

1702
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,040
currently right now most of the fees are

1703
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:06,080
set is

1704
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:08,400
$35 and I believe that the city last

1705
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:11,239
looked at

1706
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,400
them I think they looked in 2011

1707
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:13,920
possibly is the last time I see an

1708
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,159
ordinance change I don't know if

1709
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,719
something was added if the fees were

1710
01:12:15,159 --> 01:12:18,600
changed at that time but there's a lot

1711
01:12:17,719 --> 01:12:22,600
of them were

1712
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:24,760
$35 Troy re uh did theirs in

1713
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,800
2016 where they increased a lot of them

1714
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,040
to around

1715
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:31,199
$50 they also adopted something that

1716
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:32,320
went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks

1717
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,920
where right now currently we have a

1718
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:39,639
doubling after 20 days and they tripled

1719
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:44,080
it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not

1720
01:12:39,639 --> 01:12:47,239
looked at theirs in over 20 years um so

1721
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:50,320
they're they're are lower than what

1722
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:52,719
we're proposing but the last time in the

1723
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,639
order updated it was at minimum 13 years

1724
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:57,679
ago but probably longer longer than that

1725
01:12:54,639 --> 01:12:59,400
so I put in there the last 12 months how

1726
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:01,159
many of each of those tickets were

1727
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,159
issued by our parking department or some

1728
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:05,800
of times our officers and what it would

1729
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:08,760
mean if we were to increase it in the

1730
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,760
yellow be the suggested increase and the

1731
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:14,120
blue is what the overall find would be

1732
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,800
in the end and the last column is the

1733
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:17,520
impact of what kind of Revenue we

1734
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,719
generated if everything stay constant

1735
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:23,000
over the next 12 months for the top then

1736
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:25,400
there's six or seven others that have

1737
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,480
under 100 um that we would look at as

1738
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:31,040
well but those are the the top 10 fig

1739
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,040
I'd start

1740
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:37,120
there and those that are we can increase

1741
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,920
the others we can out because these ones

1742
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,400
are you can you can increase all these

1743
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:44,040
regulation yeah there the max allowed

1744
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,800
column is where New York State BNT

1745
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:48,040
determines what the maximum you can

1746
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:50,880
charge is for different items that we'll

1747
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,520
be able to find um the fire hydrant

1748
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:55,520
actually could not find anything that

1749
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:58,520
says what the maximum was but New York

1750
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,199
City does $115 that's why I know we can

1751
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:03,520
go at least to

1752
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:04,920
115 yes go ahead please uh I just wanted

1753
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,400
to say like I appreciate it the

1754
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,000
breakdown gave a lot of context and I

1755
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,719
would say as one of the first

1756
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,400
presentations regarding F Cris um I

1757
01:14:11,719 --> 01:14:15,920
appreciate your responsiveness to the

1758
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:18,040
issue and then I would say snapshotting

1759
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,120
this and using this as a template uh cuz

1760
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:23,080
definitely U I wouldn't call out other

1761
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:24,719
municipalities but it helps us

1762
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,120
understand just where we gauge in the

1763
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:31,199
exactly that's why it was done yet

1764
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:33,480
yeah any other question on this slide

1765
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:35,960
all right now I'm just just to kind of

1766
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:37,360
reference the impact if we had this Fe

1767
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:40,199
at the beginning of this year we would

1768
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:42,760
have seen an impact of

1769
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:44,400
242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so

1770
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,280
six months or 9 months of this year 3

1771
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:50,159
months of last year yes so it's a

1772
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:53,040
significant um Revenue um increase their

1773
01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:55,199
for Police Department go ahead please so

1774
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,679
I I don't know that this is exactly I

1775
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:58,400
just know that they're close related and

1776
01:14:56,679 --> 01:14:59,800
again I think it's wor to mention it

1777
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:02,320
it's just especially when we're talking

1778
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:04,280
about parking tickets um there are you

1779
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:05,679
know there's studies National studies

1780
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,840
and I haven't you know we haven't looked

1781
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:09,679
at our I haven't looked at our city data

1782
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:12,960
but you just have to be mindful about

1783
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:17,360
like what type of fees we increase

1784
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:20,360
because we can unintentionally um impact

1785
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:22,360
uh certain marginalized communi based on

1786
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:25,679
the way that the

1787
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:28,920
um their ability to parve is the base

1788
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:31,440
that um you know some neighborhoods have

1789
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,600
you know more driveways some there's

1790
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:36,239
there's there's different contributing

1791
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,280
factors to how we can unintentionally

1792
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:40,440
impact certain communities more than

1793
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,480
others so I just want to highlight that

1794
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:42,960
I just think that is something that we

1795
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,880
should be mindful that and we're if

1796
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,440
we're just looking to increase the Fe it

1797
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,320
looks like we definitely should be doing

1798
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:51,480
in some areas

1799
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:53,520
that just increasing the fees you know

1800
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:56,920
there's a greater it can be a greater

1801
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,920
impact to the larg community

1802
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:03,280
you

1803
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:04,520
yes go ahead please m i I brought that

1804
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,679
up the other day when we were talking

1805
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:09,199
about the noise violations um because

1806
01:16:06,679 --> 01:16:12,520
the fee increases are suggested are

1807
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:16,320
quite High um and it was pointed out to

1808
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:19,400
me that again we're I I forget the exact

1809
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,880
language but that we're trying to get

1810
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,800
people to change their behavior and so

1811
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,480
you

1812
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,239
know we might have to increase Feast to

1813
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:30,199
a certain extent because I don't want

1814
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:33,400
use the word punitive but you know we

1815
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:35,639
are trying to to be punitive um we are

1816
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,120
hoping that people I I don't want to put

1817
01:16:35,639 --> 01:16:39,520
words but you guys were were very good

1818
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,320
in the way that you responded to me

1819
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:45,440
about that the other day um I was

1820
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:48,560
talking about you know poor kinds of

1821
01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:50,920
populations um but I got that I thought

1822
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:54,560
I thought that was a good response to my

1823
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:57,320
to my query I I think the whole Drive is

1824
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:59,520
to this effective January 1st so we have

1825
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:02,920
a we have a couple months to to do an

1826
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:05,239
educational um Outreach behavioral we

1827
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:07,000
talked about last week at the public

1828
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:08,960
safety meeting to kind of edicate people

1829
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:10,280
that this is this is going to happen so

1830
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,840
we're not going to like pass it next

1831
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:13,840
week and then inforce of the calling

1832
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,840
week January

1833
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:19,040
1st so so um

1834
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,600
I first I'll speak to what you just

1835
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:23,600
talked about the difference in this is

1836
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,920
that you have a choice over how loud

1837
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,719
you're going to play your music that's a

1838
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,360
decision that you make however if

1839
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:29,960
there's limited parking on your street

1840
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:32,040
then you can only work within those

1841
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,400
parameters so I don't know that they're

1842
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,880
necessarily things that we can equally

1843
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,320
um compare because I want to have a loud

1844
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,920
party I'm going to turn it up whether

1845
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,920
you like it or not but if there's

1846
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,320
limited parking then I'm I'm you know I

1847
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,080
have to work within those parameters so

1848
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,840
I'm not sure if that's that's a

1849
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:51,080
comparison that um that I would really

1850
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:54,080
make in terms of um people's ability to

1851
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:55,239
pay um because you made a decision or

1852
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,840
you don't really have have any place

1853
01:17:55,239 --> 01:18:00,199
else to park so um there's that the

1854
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,719
other thing I wanted to know and will

1855
01:18:00,199 --> 01:18:04,159
this impact it and should we take a look

1856
01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:07,280
at it some of our parking signs are a

1857
01:18:04,159 --> 01:18:09,400
little bit outdated and they were put up

1858
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,480
when people were working at GE and they

1859
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,000
worked these interesting hours and so

1860
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:14,360
you couldn't park at a certain time on

1861
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,440
one side of the street versus the other

1862
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:19,000
side of the street so if we're talking

1863
01:18:16,440 --> 01:18:20,760
about um changing um the fees for

1864
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,600
parking sh we also be looking to make

1865
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:25,000
sure that how we currently have our

1866
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:27,440
signage makes sense for how people work

1867
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,239
today I think that's something we should

1868
01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:31,000
um cuz now some people have alternate

1869
01:18:29,239 --> 01:18:33,000
parking they don't even pay attention to

1870
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,880
it I see parking on both sides of Street

1871
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,120
on a regular basis because the signs

1872
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,560
just really don't make sense cuz people

1873
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,480
don't work like they did with those

1874
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,880
hours when GE was like the main employer

1875
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,120
in the city of SK so I think we would

1876
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,560
have to take that I know that that's

1877
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:50,040
going to take a lot because we have to

1878
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,960
pay for signs do a study do all of those

1879
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:55,080
things however those are things that we

1880
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:57,040
should all also be taking a look at well

1881
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,600
well not only people who don't um who

1882
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,760
work some people who don't work doesn't

1883
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:03,800
even go they move their car so it's it's

1884
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,639
a two-way you know into that people just

1885
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:08,840
need to comply you know just like the

1886
01:19:06,639 --> 01:19:10,040
noise new people playing loud music

1887
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,560
we're going to increase the fear you

1888
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,800
come into compliance if not you're going

1889
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:15,840
to have to pay the violation same thing

1890
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,679
we need you know to clean up the street

1891
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,000
and get people to comply with regulation

1892
01:19:18,679 --> 01:19:22,679
you park on the wrong side you're going

1893
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:24,280
to get ticket they're parking they're

1894
01:19:22,679 --> 01:19:25,960
parking all over the place but there's a

1895
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,560
parking makes sense so that's we have to

1896
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,960
take the look it makes sense for how we

1897
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,159
live now yeah what we'll need to do is

1898
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:32,199
to make sure that we have updated signs

1899
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:33,960
across the city if we're going to

1900
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:36,760
enforce this signs need to be placed

1901
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:38,679
across updated sign new signs and put

1902
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,000
that in place so people are aware that

1903
01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:42,719
parking on either side is within a given

1904
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,520
the

1905
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:47,800
violation go ahead please so I

1906
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:50,639
appreciate president P for that

1907
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,679
distinction cuz you know definitely one

1908
01:19:50,639 --> 01:19:54,320
is more I think that when you're talking

1909
01:19:52,679 --> 01:19:56,400
about parking fees and and the reason

1910
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,920
why they have these these National

1911
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,920
studies is because

1912
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:04,480
um unintentionally I would say in some

1913
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:07,440
places and certainly by Design in other

1914
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:11,920
places um you start

1915
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:13,880
to uh kind of take advantage of the most

1916
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,719
marginalized people in your community

1917
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,560
and and start to increase feeds based

1918
01:20:15,719 --> 01:20:22,120
off them based on the fact that there is

1919
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:25,320
um and not not just the case of of

1920
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:27,080
limited uh parking but there's also

1921
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:30,280
the enforcement strategies which is more

1922
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,800
you know would be more up to the police

1923
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,440
department as well to kind of consider

1924
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:35,000
those things as just we have to keep

1925
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,480
that in front of our in front of our

1926
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,800
mind CU if not we can have these really

1927
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:41,000
good policies that make a lot of sense

1928
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,480
increase our Revenue um but we could be

1929
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,199
doing it off the backs of our most

1930
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:45,960
vulnerable population in the city now we

1931
01:20:44,199 --> 01:20:47,520
just always have to ask ourselves to

1932
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,560
right questions we doing any of these

1933
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,760
things right because if

1934
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:55,280
it if it if we're increasing the fee and

1935
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:58,560
we're going to you know bring in another

1936
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:02,360
$200,000 but 80 to 90% of that

1937
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,639
$200,000 is coming from you know you

1938
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,920
know two or three neighborhoods that

1939
01:21:04,639 --> 01:21:09,280
just happen to be the uh neighborhoods

1940
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:11,199
that the design is far more likely for

1941
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,600
someone to be out of compliance with the

1942
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,000
with the department and that's something

1943
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:17,280
that you just have to that's you don't

1944
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,760
have the data for that you have the

1945
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:22,880
data so so what I what I was saying same

1946
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:25,239
question so what what I said uh in the

1947
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:27,040
beginning of of what my statement was I

1948
01:21:25,239 --> 01:21:28,520
was referring to more to Nationals

1949
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,280
Trends and the first thing I said was I

1950
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:32,120
haven't looked at the data within our

1951
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,679
city there something to be mindful of

1952
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:35,360
and pay attention because if we increase

1953
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:37,480
this without looking at the data we can

1954
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:39,600
unintentionally perpetuate that outcome

1955
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:40,960
so it so we would so I wasn't making a

1956
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,480
statement that What's happen you I'm

1957
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,080
saying if we're changing something then

1958
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,120
we need to be mindful of that or won't

1959
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,719
be being

1960
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,040
ACC clear well we have to we have to

1961
01:21:47,719 --> 01:21:51,840
make sure that we encourage the police

1962
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,320
to do across the board and no no

1963
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,320
Community or no neighborhood should be

1964
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,320
targeted but

1965
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:59,679
apply it across the entire city when

1966
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:02,480
they're doing enforcement or when

1967
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:02,480
they're applying

1968
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,760
tickets well I was just going to say I

1969
01:22:05,719 --> 01:22:10,840
mean you guys probably have data my

1970
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:12,679
neighborhood um in terms of breakdown of

1971
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,560
these tickets so I've never seen it but

1972
01:22:12,679 --> 01:22:19,080
I'm going ask Adam do you know is that

1973
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:21,080
possible through the the software y okay

1974
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:22,360
so it is it's possible for us to see

1975
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:26,400
that

1976
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:27,960
so has got tickets so can you can you um

1977
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:30,400
make a note and provide that to the

1978
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,400
council

1979
01:22:31,639 --> 01:22:37,400
please so looking for a breakdown of

1980
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:40,320
tickets per is it Go by zone or do it Go

1981
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:44,120
by area where you think it goes

1982
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:46,400
by no it's not a Zone like we consider

1983
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,880
the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone

1984
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:52,360
but there's no correlation between that

1985
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:55,000
zone in in our system compared to what

1986
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:57,480
there is uh in the city

1987
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,960
um you know we enforce where the signs

1988
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:02,600
are available so so so to the point of

1989
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:04,600
you know where do we enforce we we

1990
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:07,080
enforce where we can enforce uh there

1991
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:10,679
are neighborhoods um that there is no

1992
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:13,199
signage but it makes sense because some

1993
01:23:10,679 --> 01:23:16,520
of the streets are wider uh the the

1994
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:19,040
neighbor of the uh driveways are longer

1995
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,679
so a lot of this uh enforcement is is

1996
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:23,400
not

1997
01:23:20,679 --> 01:23:25,679
necessarily Revenue generator but it's

1998
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:27,760
it's a it's a safety aspect too you have

1999
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:30,600
neighborhoods that have narrow streets

2000
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:33,000
and you have bothside parking you can't

2001
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:35,719
get emergency Personnel down there um

2002
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:38,239
and often times the signs indicate the

2003
01:23:35,719 --> 01:23:40,239
season right so there's more

2004
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:42,719
prohibitions during certain seasons for

2005
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:44,400
the obvious reasons of snowfall some

2006
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:46,760
some of the ones that I know that are

2007
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:49,480
kind of different there'll be no

2008
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:51,480
parkings aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m.

2009
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:54,040
the reason is because the street street

2010
01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:55,280
sweepers would come down can you just

2011
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,280
come on

2012
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:00,560
I thought oh yeah that's the camera is

2013
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:02,920
focusing yeah we he turn to you but yeah

2014
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:05,719
you're providing a lot of information U

2015
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:07,360
so some of the some of the signs that we

2016
01:24:05,719 --> 01:24:08,560
might not have a comprehensive

2017
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,800
understanding to at least that face

2018
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,679
value do serve a legitimate purpose the

2019
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,360
example I was saying before is no

2020
01:24:12,679 --> 01:24:16,800
standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6:00

2021
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:19,520
a.m. uh you know you think what is that

2022
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:21,639
about but but it's uh it's for street

2023
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,880
street sweeping so obviously it just

2024
01:24:21,639 --> 01:24:26,719
makes more sense to have that um

2025
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,480
but that's it you know again we we we

2026
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:32,800
ticket where we can and enforce where we

2027
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:35,679
can and um I don't know why they decided

2028
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:37,320
to put things in certain areas uh you

2029
01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:39,400
know maybe it's a for a broader

2030
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,520
discussion you know can we use more

2031
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,560
enforcement can can you know we have

2032
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:47,440
more or less restrictions to your point

2033
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,440
I don't know you know that's I don't

2034
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,520
know go ahead please I think that some I

2035
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:55,199
mean I you know I mean I think about

2036
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:57,119
some of the streets um like brandy wine

2037
01:24:55,199 --> 01:25:00,000
or you know mcen I

2038
01:24:57,119 --> 01:25:01,880
mean the parking is crazy and it's

2039
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,280
really difficult so I think related to

2040
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:06,679
the previous discussion about traffic

2041
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,840
control and and speeding I mean I think

2042
01:25:06,679 --> 01:25:11,280
some of those things have must come into

2043
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,520
the into consideration as well in terms

2044
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,639
of where the signage is and I I can

2045
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,040
think you know just driving around the

2046
01:25:15,639 --> 01:25:19,639
city and having to park in a lot of

2047
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:22,679
different areas um where it might be

2048
01:25:19,639 --> 01:25:24,400
time in a lot of areas it's alternate

2049
01:25:22,679 --> 01:25:26,159
side based on the days of the week

2050
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:29,800
Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know

2051
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:32,520
Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you

2052
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:34,719
know I'm I would think that maybe it has

2053
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,400
to do with traffic um what's the word

2054
01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:40,119
I'm uh

2055
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:42,840
call the number the numbers of cars the

2056
01:25:40,119 --> 01:25:45,920
congestion congestion on the streets as

2057
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,360
well um so there is that the uh parking

2058
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,040
enforcement officers drive around

2059
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,119
obviously they um they have different

2060
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,280
zones that they all go to and they

2061
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:53,639
switch them up daily or regularly and

2062
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,560
also during the day if somebody calls

2063
01:25:53,639 --> 01:25:57,400
him with a parking complaint during the

2064
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,639
day they're dispatched automatically so

2065
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,719
if somebody calls in and says that

2066
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:03,280
there's a parking multiple cars here uh

2067
01:26:01,719 --> 01:26:05,639
we had four civilians now we're down to

2068
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:08,040
two so we're hopefully get they back up

2069
01:26:05,639 --> 01:26:09,520
um they will drive around and they'll go

2070
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:12,679
right there and issue the ticket right

2071
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,840
then and there so that's besides their

2072
01:26:12,679 --> 01:26:16,639
normal Patrol they they do respond to

2073
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,080
the areas people call and complain dur

2074
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:21,679
the

2075
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:23,480
day go ahead quick question so um I I

2076
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:25,440
imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's

2077
01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:28,560
call Will we be be able to if if

2078
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:30,800
interested Shadow around that

2079
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:33,880
perspective job like the ticketing oh

2080
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,840
absolutely yeah absolutely y got right

2081
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,679
now they're working you know days Monday

2082
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:40,280
through Friday and uh if there's

2083
01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:41,679
somebody's interested absolutely say

2084
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:46,320
ride a

2085
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:48,480
bike yeah just C they ride a bike some

2086
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:50,400
of do so we have the one off mainly

2087
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:52,840
rides the bike downtown and they're also

2088
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:55,560
in a car that's Park parking enforcement

2089
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,159
as well how I can use the electric bike

2090
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,800
yeah AB we actually have an electric bik

2091
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:02,679
for parking for we do so are you saying

2092
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:05,679
that we can get a breakdown um by labor

2093
01:27:02,679 --> 01:27:08,679
I supect yeah I don't think

2094
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:10,840
there's uh the only thing that may be

2095
01:27:08,679 --> 01:27:13,199
labor intensive is depending on how I I

2096
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:16,239
may have to run we may have to run data

2097
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:20,040
by street right instead of just my

2098
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:21,960
neighborhood but I'm sure exist yeah if

2099
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:25,600
we want that how far back do we want to

2100
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,920
go I will say 6 months okay yeah because

2101
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,960
it's going to take a lot of time going

2102
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:33,119
to be taking up to do that 6 months 3

2103
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:36,719
months I think I think do a

2104
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:39,320
year be a lot of work entire year with

2105
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:42,360
6,000 we want to use the same data set

2106
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,920
that we're using for projections you

2107
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:48,360
want to do the

2108
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:50,560
same this is 831 23 to 991 of 24 with

2109
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:52,679
that data Let's do let's do this the

2110
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:55,159
same report here this is one we can move

2111
01:27:52,679 --> 01:27:56,719
forward ready go ahead please so just

2112
01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:58,119
because it's important that we have

2113
01:27:56,719 --> 01:28:00,719
Clarity around these issues I think that

2114
01:27:58,119 --> 01:28:02,639
like so um and I appreciate like I don't

2115
01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:05,639
know exactly why they you know put signs

2116
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:07,280
in places and I'm sure that well I I

2117
01:28:05,639 --> 01:28:09,560
would give the benefit of the doubt to

2118
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,760
say that when some of these signs and

2119
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:14,679
regulations um were put in place that

2120
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:16,760
they were done so in good faith I um I

2121
01:28:14,679 --> 01:28:18,520
definitely would assume that um our Law

2122
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:21,119
Enforcement Officers act in good faith

2123
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:25,320
when is issuing you know tickets uh so

2124
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:29,000
on and so forth um so that that idea is

2125
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:33,320
not an opposition to us um kind of

2126
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:36,040
looking at the impact of what we're of

2127
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:40,440
of what that enforcement looks like and

2128
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:43,280
just to be aware of how these things can

2129
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:45,239
perpetuate certain inequities throughout

2130
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:48,040
society and and and we're not

2131
01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:50,639
disconnected we're not you know

2132
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:53,159
and that that includes us so again so

2133
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:55,560
the point I'm making is that there's no

2134
01:28:53,159 --> 01:28:58,360
um

2135
01:28:55,560 --> 01:29:00,080
intention around I'm not assigning any

2136
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:02,920
any intention to this but what I'm

2137
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:05,119
saying is that if we're not intentional

2138
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,639
about taking those measurements and kind

2139
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:07,800
of really asking ourselves the hard

2140
01:29:06,639 --> 01:29:09,440
questions that no one likes to talk

2141
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,480
about but me a lot of time in PR life

2142
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:13,239
then we end up you know perpetuating

2143
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:14,400
something so just want to be really

2144
01:29:13,239 --> 01:29:15,600
clear about that but I appreciate you

2145
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,840
work continuing through and the

2146
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:20,080
transparency thank any other question on

2147
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,080
this

2148
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:27,880
SL the next next one is some of our

2149
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:30,280
annual control fees well some of these

2150
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,719
are not through the police department

2151
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,280
it's through the clerk's office but it's

2152
01:29:31,719 --> 01:29:35,320
we work very closely together in these

2153
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,840
so I'm including them in here in the

2154
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:40,080
presentation currently right now the

2155
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:43,960
city is charging

2156
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:46,480
$20.50 for a a dog license if they're

2157
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:49,840
altered 1350 if they're unaltered and

2158
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:55,360
then it goes down if you're a Senor or

2159
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:59,000
um older the surrounding towns and City

2160
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:02,639
we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Albany was 16

2161
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:08,000
and 23 and then Troy is 15 and

2162
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:09,800
20 the r section is 114 and it's a

2163
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,520
little complicated as far as there's

2164
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:14,639
multiple layers multiple things that go

2165
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:17,239
into what the dog license fee is so I

2166
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:19,800
have it broken down here crossed out the

2167
01:30:17,239 --> 01:30:21,480
dollar value and put the the new dollar

2168
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,960
value that's recommended in here the

2169
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:25,960
next slide will show you kind of what

2170
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:29,760
the bottom line is that just makes sense

2171
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:33,000
so that the the new fee recommendation

2172
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:36,800
would be uh $7.50 increase on the

2173
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:41,360
altered $750 cents on the unaltered and

2174
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:43,639
then $3 250 for the uh senior citizens

2175
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:46,080
and this would increase the revenue

2176
01:30:43,639 --> 01:30:48,360
between $8 $10,000 per year it depends

2177
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:51,360
on if somebody order or pays for a one

2178
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:55,920
year twoyear or multi-year license so it

2179
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:55,920
could fluctuate a little bit but

2180
01:30:56,199 --> 01:31:02,119
so Miss Michael this align with your C

2181
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:05,600
for service it does it does

2182
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:06,400
yes so who gets those fees with where is

2183
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,600
the

2184
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:13,239
actual City it goes to the Clark's

2185
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:16,440
office is that correct it gets deposit

2186
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:18,760
into the general fund well you take in

2187
01:31:16,440 --> 01:31:21,600
your office take in we take it in yes

2188
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:25,239
get positive to the general

2189
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:26,800
one goad see special amount of anim

2190
01:31:25,239 --> 01:31:30,960
licenses would

2191
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:34,719
not go to or shouldn't not go to

2192
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:38,679
the of the police du to like the forcing

2193
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:40,560
that that the way how it's written is

2194
01:31:38,679 --> 01:31:44,080
like directed to the cl's office but

2195
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:46,159
it's kind of like enforced by the police

2196
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:49,440
department Sam you can you can explain

2197
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:52,440
more about how the enforcement started

2198
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:55,000
oh have yeah the Animal Control Officers

2199
01:31:52,440 --> 01:31:59,080
when they do go out or they

2200
01:31:55,000 --> 01:32:02,480
unlicensed animal you know the the uh

2201
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:04,480
dog is then taken to mov Hudson main

2202
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:06,840
society there's a Redemption fee

2203
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:09,639
involved and also then they have to

2204
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:12,400
license their their

2205
01:32:09,639 --> 01:32:15,000
pet that's the police

2206
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,760
component but the the they come to your

2207
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,560
office to do the licing to my office to

2208
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:21,480
do all

2209
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:23,080
that I believe that's like different all

2210
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:24,639
talented things that I saw went to the

2211
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,880
clerk's office

2212
01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:28,840
for the

2213
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:32,119
Fe

2214
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:34,639
Drive uh just a question mran I

2215
01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:37,199
appreciate your uh background also I

2216
01:32:34,639 --> 01:32:39,360
needed could we discuss potentially

2217
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:41,560
expanding the senior citizen category to

2218
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,520
include like medically cified positions

2219
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,840
in which someone needs a service animal

2220
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,600
and then also potentially like service

2221
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,440
members where like it's Improvement to

2222
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,320
like assist in their integration back

2223
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:54,600
into society I think that's already in

2224
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:57,320
code that those areas are already

2225
01:32:54,600 --> 01:33:00,840
exempt I'm looking ahead at the next

2226
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:04,080
slide and I'm I'm wondering about the

2227
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:06,520
exemptions that are being taken away so

2228
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:08,880
so there it's it is in the code I was

2229
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,199
looking to remove it actually yeah

2230
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,360
they're removing it that that's it's

2231
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:16,679
it's already in the code right now aen

2232
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:20,760
Market's law says that a m municipality

2233
01:33:16,679 --> 01:33:24,040
May exempt an animal but then uh the

2234
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:26,520
American Disability Act has changed it

2235
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:28,800
so you cannot ask for documentation you

2236
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:31,760
can only ask two questions and we're

2237
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:35,760
getting customers coming in um refusing

2238
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:38,719
to provide answers provide

2239
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:40,000
documentation um just making it so much

2240
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:41,920
more

2241
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:45,360
difficult the the Americans with

2242
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:47,960
Disabilities acts have very limited uh

2243
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:50,560
regulations as as as the city clerk has

2244
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:52,840
pointed out what sort of questions you

2245
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:58,119
can ask and they're very limited in

2246
01:33:52,840 --> 01:34:01,080
scope two for the for the federal RS so

2247
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:03,480
um it's it's what what the council wants

2248
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:05,719
to do whether they want to you know what

2249
01:34:03,480 --> 01:34:07,800
I'm seeing up there is five is being

2250
01:34:05,719 --> 01:34:10,320
deleted it's what that's a poliy

2251
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:12,880
decision for you all to make that policy

2252
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:16,840
decision if you want to

2253
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:19,600
uh continue with the exemptions or or or

2254
01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:21,560
not s what is your

2255
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:26,320
recommendation my recommendation was

2256
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:28,880
removing reming our our ordinance covers

2257
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:33,600
every like service animal therapy animal

2258
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:35,639
everything like everything um but one we

2259
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:39,639
don't need to under Aon markets and two

2260
01:34:35,639 --> 01:34:41,760
under Ada they say service

2261
01:34:39,639 --> 01:34:43,600
animals and there's a differentiation

2262
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,199
between service and therapy but we we

2263
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,159
can't really differentiate based on the

2264
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:51,920
two

2265
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:55,199
questions go ahead please I I feel that

2266
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:58,000
servicing I I I like the exemption um

2267
01:34:55,199 --> 01:35:01,520
for Veterans for service for service

2268
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:05,199
animals um therapy

2269
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:07,639
dogs well obviously the detection I mean

2270
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:09,400
those wouldn't be charged what's that it

2271
01:35:07,639 --> 01:35:11,320
says detection so that must be like a

2272
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:12,600
police animal that's looking for drugs

2273
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,239
or something like that I mean I don't

2274
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,040
know why we wouldn't exemp that that's

2275
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:19,280
like an employee of the city practically

2276
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:21,880
um right I mean yes so if they lived in

2277
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,040
a city yes if there was a city employee

2278
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,000
that had the Poli like they would have

2279
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:27,920
to

2280
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:31,239
the pay the pay the $40 or the

2281
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:34,960
$28 we haven't had one in year is that

2282
01:35:31,239 --> 01:35:37,719
in the city because the uh the animal

2283
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,600
with the police department stay with

2284
01:35:37,719 --> 01:35:44,040
whoever the train is right right so they

2285
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:46,920
going to say you I know I get that

2286
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:50,040
but I just think those animals should be

2287
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:51,880
exempt remain ex from what I got from

2288
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,560
Miss mik who it wasn't like any bias it

2289
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:56,080
was just an inability to evalate with so

2290
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:00,320
that's causing administrative burden

2291
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:00,320
then I can be responsive to her office's

2292
01:36:00,679 --> 01:36:06,480
needs as an alternative I believe there

2293
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:07,880
are funds available um to adult worth

2294
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:10,360
with to get funds for people who

2295
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:12,159
couldn't pay the convey the fee so if

2296
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:13,760
there was a hardship I don't know how

2297
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:15,440
many exemptions or on the sheets that I

2298
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:18,480
saw I think there was only like six or

2299
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:20,520
seven at for certain amount of months I

2300
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:21,719
looked at the data so if there was if

2301
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,800
those people couldn't for if he did

2302
01:36:21,719 --> 01:36:25,600
decide to get rid of it and there was

2303
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:29,840
needed there are funds available for

2304
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:32,239
them to pay for so it doesn't stop you

2305
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,400
from giving exemption you still have the

2306
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:36,600
authority to give

2307
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,679
exemption if we remove it it you're

2308
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,960
removing it then the exemption done

2309
01:36:38,679 --> 01:36:42,639
exemption

2310
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:45,199
right

2311
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:47,880
yeah I will say let's let's put this on

2312
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:49,440
hold and and go through the the process

2313
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:50,960
of the public hearing then we can say

2314
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:55,119
because the consant table is like we

2315
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:57,840
should keep that and I I think we should

2316
01:36:55,119 --> 01:37:00,280
we should keep it the

2317
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:04,159
exemption unless we Define it a little

2318
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:06,199
bit as so what what is examp I I think

2319
01:37:04,159 --> 01:37:07,760
if the clerk saying elmate and I say

2320
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:09,719
like making my position known hearing

2321
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:11,239
her response and there's a pot of money

2322
01:37:09,719 --> 01:37:12,800
that this might can direct those

2323
01:37:11,239 --> 01:37:15,639
individuals to I think it captures it

2324
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:19,679
it's a win okay all

2325
01:37:15,639 --> 01:37:22,119
right but we do we need to put the

2326
01:37:19,679 --> 01:37:25,719
legislation well it all depends I me if

2327
01:37:22,119 --> 01:37:28,239
if okay we'll well you know if I can yes

2328
01:37:25,719 --> 01:37:31,239
go we've been talking about parking fees

2329
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:33,639
and now dog fees so the go requirment

2330
01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:35,920
inst to the city code also require

2331
01:37:33,639 --> 01:37:37,920
public hearings regarding these two

2332
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:40,199
public hearings I would recommend since

2333
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:42,520
they're they're generating money for the

2334
01:37:40,199 --> 01:37:44,840
city which will have an impact on the

2335
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,800
budget perhaps you would want to do

2336
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:50,080
these hearings at the same night you're

2337
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:52,920
doing a budget you don't have to but

2338
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:55,480
it's it's it's dealing with Revenue

2339
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,840
items that as you go through the rest of

2340
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:59,719
October you

2341
01:37:56,840 --> 01:38:01,320
may use as you're making your

2342
01:37:59,719 --> 01:38:04,040
projections and you're creating your

2343
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:07,119
budget and then after you have that

2344
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:09,239
public hearing then you have the budget

2345
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:11,360
being adopted and then you have the

2346
01:38:09,239 --> 01:38:13,480
ordinances that need to be changed to

2347
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:16,440
conform with the amounts of fees that

2348
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:18,199
you increase this way it's all one one

2349
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:21,639
pro I'm just it's I'm just throwing that

2350
01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:22,960
out for for for you all to consider that

2351
01:38:21,639 --> 01:38:24,840
you would have the public hearing on

2352
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,080
that same because it's dealing with fees

2353
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:30,080
which will as you saw will have an

2354
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:33,679
impact on on the budget so that way it's

2355
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:36,199
in total and then the budget is dealt

2356
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:37,760
with and then uh depending on how you

2357
01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:40,320
work on the budget you can amend the

2358
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:42,159
ordinance to conform with the budget so

2359
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,639
do we need two public hearings you would

2360
01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:46,480
need two public hearings the reason

2361
01:38:43,639 --> 01:38:48,679
being is because you're dealing sorry

2362
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:50,000
there's five I think for if you were go

2363
01:38:48,679 --> 01:38:52,360
through change everything you want I

2364
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:55,679
think cuz I think they weren't quite

2365
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:56,800
certain about I'm I I think about what I

2366
01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:58,760
think they weren't you weren't quite

2367
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,800
certain about the first part of the

2368
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:04,320
heing uh first part I'm just focusing on

2369
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:09,239
the uh the

2370
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:12,400
uh parking and now the dog dog parking

2371
01:39:09,239 --> 01:39:15,239
it's not parking only we're all feast

2372
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,280
and then uh I think I think if for alarm

2373
01:39:15,239 --> 01:39:19,440
fees I think you need more information

2374
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,840
regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't

2375
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:23,520
know if that's ready for a public

2376
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:25,440
hearing yet you may need to

2377
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:27,560
whether that's going to have a

2378
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:30,040
significant amount of Revenue I don't

2379
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:32,800
know but I mean you can

2380
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:35,480
always you can call for public hearings

2381
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:38,760
on all those items and then deal with

2382
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:41,360
that before the next your next committee

2383
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:42,840
cycle and then you know Mark everything

2384
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,320
up and then it will be ready for the

2385
01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:46,119
public hearing and then you would have a

2386
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:48,320
draft

2387
01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:51,840
ordinance I

2388
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:54,719
I hearing going on the same night for

2389
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:57,719
the every for the uh

2390
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:00,080
five public hearings oh there was the

2391
01:39:57,719 --> 01:40:02,599
The False Alarm fees if you were to

2392
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:04,880
increase FAL alarm if you were if you

2393
01:40:02,599 --> 01:40:07,239
were going to change what the uh false

2394
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:10,520
alarm definition was and if you're going

2395
01:40:07,239 --> 01:40:12,679
to change the false alarm fees structure

2396
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:14,840
and then there was the parking findes

2397
01:40:12,679 --> 01:40:14,840
the

2398
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:25,119
records and then the

2399
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:28,199
control oh the records also okay

2400
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:30,639
any that's the last slide no uh two more

2401
01:40:28,199 --> 01:40:32,000
quick ones um so Mr M I want to make my

2402
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:34,040
point about exemptions I'm I'm in

2403
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:36,599
agreement with Miss um M Mike that they

2404
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:37,920
should be taken away because right now

2405
01:40:36,599 --> 01:40:40,480
people don't have to answer any

2406
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,639
questions no that's okay yeah I'm fine

2407
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:44,320
with that I was thinking about you know

2408
01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:47,280
but then there there's a part of money

2409
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:51,560
that can be used to help individual and

2410
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:53,520
those situation I'm and so so we're

2411
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:57,800
talking about five public hearings on

2412
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:59,599
night just be C night so five plus what

2413
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:02,080
you may want to do is the bigger items

2414
01:40:59,599 --> 01:41:04,920
are the dog license fees and the parking

2415
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:06,960
fees the parking fees that you saw would

2416
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:09,320
generate a lot of Revenue if those fees

2417
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:11,360
were to go through so perhaps you just

2418
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:15,520
have the parking fees on the same night

2419
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:16,719
as the uh as the uh the budget heing

2420
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,760
because that's probably the most

2421
01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:21,960
significant amount of money that I've

2422
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,159
saw I I recommend that you do all at the

2423
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:26,880
same time and get it over with I mean

2424
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:30,119
small they small public heing maybe

2425
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:31,440
you few people yeah my my bigger concern

2426
01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:33,639
is like people know what they're going

2427
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:36,520
to be about there so many yeah cuz it

2428
01:41:33,639 --> 01:41:39,000
can that's a lot that's a

2429
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,800
lot what does the next slide tell us

2430
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:44,520
what the total amount of money is can

2431
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:45,719
you scroll pleas no 8 to 10,000 a year

2432
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:48,480
for

2433
01:41:45,719 --> 01:41:50,400
the depending on the year depending on

2434
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,480
if they're one two or three year renewal

2435
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:54,679
cycles and

2436
01:41:53,480 --> 01:41:56,800
so we could still have the public

2437
01:41:54,679 --> 01:41:58,800
hearing implemented it without I mean

2438
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,280
after the budget season yeah this yes

2439
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,639
we're going to pass it and it's going to

2440
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:05,719
take effect January first so we have

2441
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:07,520
enough time to to send to a PA out there

2442
01:42:05,719 --> 01:42:10,199
and and let people know that hey this is

2443
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:11,800
what's going to happen but ask U

2444
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:14,040
Michelle so to kind put it on the

2445
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:16,480
website so people know that January 1st

2446
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:18,599
these changes are coming into

2447
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:20,560
place cuz that's not a huge budget

2448
01:42:18,599 --> 01:42:22,440
impact it's no it's not a huge bud just

2449
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:25,159
something that we need to address these

2450
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:25,159
small little things

2451
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:30,760
next two next this is this is a very

2452
01:42:28,679 --> 01:42:34,560
quick one uh we do have grant money and

2453
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:36,239
we also have uh money in C and you guys

2454
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:38,920
provide us with capital funding in the

2455
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:41,080
past um so we are looking to do a new

2456
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:43,040
canel facility in the city and when we

2457
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:46,000
do do that there will be options for

2458
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,960
more more Revenue that may or may not

2459
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:50,800
require some assistance from you guys

2460
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:53,239
and helping us do that but uh right now

2461
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:55,320
if we get a new facility we can look to

2462
01:42:53,239 --> 01:42:58,480
least k space other municipalities who

2463
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,599
are having trouble post trainings

2464
01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:01,679
there's a lot that we'd like to do

2465
01:42:59,599 --> 01:43:04,119
that's another hour or something so do

2466
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:05,960
that and then look into the countywide

2467
01:43:04,119 --> 01:43:07,599
agreement instead of having just a city

2468
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,840
be involved there's other people that

2469
01:43:07,599 --> 01:43:11,840
would like to be part of our agreement

2470
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:14,000
but uh they're more or less locked out

2471
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,599
of the agreement so possibly we could

2472
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:19,400
look to expand it countywide with that

2473
01:43:16,599 --> 01:43:22,679
and the last one uh is I know that the

2474
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:24,880
council gave the mayor the option to

2475
01:43:22,679 --> 01:43:27,199
look at Kias rates didn't change those

2476
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:30,159
they were last changed in 2020 and I

2477
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:32,040
recommend at some point a group looks at

2478
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:35,639
those fees to see if they're still in

2479
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:38,119
line with what they should be is that an

2480
01:43:35,639 --> 01:43:40,599
engineer is that an engineer

2481
01:43:38,119 --> 01:43:43,800
thing yes

2482
01:43:40,599 --> 01:43:45,760
so yes engineering engineering helps set

2483
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:46,800
the set the initial fees so I don't know

2484
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:49,280
I don't know how the initial fee

2485
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:51,159
structure was set um I have the initial

2486
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:53,599
fee I have what they are today um they

2487
01:43:51,159 --> 01:43:55,599
have a change since 2020 but some to

2488
01:43:53,599 --> 01:43:59,920
think about looking at and seeing if it

2489
01:43:55,599 --> 01:44:01,800
uh they should be updated don't and we

2490
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,840
whenever we update paring we have to

2491
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:07,639
coordinate

2492
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:11,040
natural we we'll get we'll get to

2493
01:44:07,639 --> 01:44:14,040
you okay that's the last slide that's it

2494
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,040
that's it any other

2495
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:18,960
questions no so if we were to move for

2496
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:20,480
this we need to call for a public

2497
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:22,360
hearing and I think it's like three

2498
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:24,159
public hearing because we're not doing

2499
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,080
with parking right

2500
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:26,840
that we have to follow on the

2501
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:30,159
engineering and we're not touching on

2502
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:32,800
that and remote

2503
01:44:30,159 --> 01:44:35,000
control is that correct so we need to

2504
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:39,159
call for public hear false

2505
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:42,119
alarm public hearing for the parking

2506
01:44:39,159 --> 01:44:45,199
fines we're not doing a parking Ms we

2507
01:44:42,119 --> 01:44:48,639
don't have the RS and Animal Control

2508
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:52,360
feeds free public and the

2509
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:57,679
records and record yeah records oh yeah

2510
01:44:52,360 --> 01:45:02,480
sorry record it's not records false kns

2511
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:05,199
records animal right go

2512
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:10,119
ahead I thought waiting for the feedback

2513
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:12,280
of other municipalities for the false

2514
01:45:10,119 --> 01:45:14,599
alarms so I have written down I'm going

2515
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:17,159
to come back I'll email out what the

2516
01:45:14,599 --> 01:45:18,840
bills were versus what was paid and what

2517
01:45:17,159 --> 01:45:21,080
other municipalities are charging for

2518
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:23,760
their false alarm fees so that's my one

2519
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:25,920
takeaway my other takeaway is the the

2520
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,440
one year same data set that we use up

2521
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:31,599
layer of zones for parking okay that's

2522
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:33,719
the any other information we need from

2523
01:45:31,599 --> 01:45:36,000
assistant I think that that's what we're

2524
01:45:33,719 --> 01:45:38,599
asking from here so we need to call for

2525
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:41,840
call for public heing for records call

2526
01:45:38,599 --> 01:45:44,199
for public hearing for the alarm false

2527
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:47,199
alarm we need to call for public hearing

2528
01:45:44,199 --> 01:45:49,920
parking finds and we need to call for

2529
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:53,840
public hearing and Animal Control

2530
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:55,040
Fe go ahead please C can't call for

2531
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:57,400
public area if we're still looking at

2532
01:45:55,040 --> 01:46:00,040
adjusting language right so no we're not

2533
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:03,639
adjusting the just is we just asking for

2534
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:05,719
backup false alarm I was looking for

2535
01:46:03,639 --> 01:46:08,880
more context that increase the rates but

2536
01:46:05,719 --> 01:46:11,080
we're trying to identify what rates and

2537
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,639
getting a off on that one so we we can

2538
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,960
hold off on that one the false alarm

2539
01:46:13,639 --> 01:46:18,639
right so it's records so what I do we

2540
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:19,719
proceed to call for public hearing for

2541
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:21,760
the

2542
01:46:19,719 --> 01:46:25,159
records October

2543
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:28,719
15 and I have a motion second all in

2544
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:31,000
favor I so we'll skip the false alarm

2545
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:33,920
and wait on the backup

2546
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:36,719
documents I call for public hearing on

2547
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:39,000
the parking findes for October

2548
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:40,360
15th are we going to wait for that too

2549
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:41,520
and wait for the information that we

2550
01:46:40,360 --> 01:46:44,679
talk

2551
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:46,199
about well that we have the backup he's

2552
01:46:44,679 --> 01:46:47,920
just going to spread it out for us in

2553
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:49,920
more detail and we'll have that before

2554
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:52,360
the

2555
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,159
15th so this is calling and setting the

2556
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:57,599
public hear

2557
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:57,599
we have almost a month to get that

2558
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:06,159
information Yeahs you have another

2559
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:08,719
committee meeting between we have one we

2560
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:11,599
still have a committee me a committee

2561
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:14,800
meeting so you can pass it maybe final

2562
01:47:11,599 --> 01:47:17,360
version that that evening and still be

2563
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:19,480
in time for the public

2564
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:21,560
hearing we still have

2565
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:24,080
things think going back to the false

2566
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:26,440
alarms trying to leverage our time now

2567
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,840
do we call it and then in between that

2568
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:30,599
we still have time to adjust it yeah

2569
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:32,320
that's exactly yeah cuz we still have

2570
01:47:30,599 --> 01:47:34,080
almost a month to get that information

2571
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:36,159
and I'm pretty sure we get that in a

2572
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:38,440
week or two from PD and that will give

2573
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:41,199
us enough time to kind like two weeks

2574
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:42,639
out to kind of like review it internally

2575
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:45,199
between ourselves and then the public

2576
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:46,880
hearing is on the 15th let's listen to

2577
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:50,040
the public we came back come back to the

2578
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:52,960
table and we can like iron it out on the

2579
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,880
power so I so are you saying that you

2580
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,520
think that we should have the public

2581
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:58,560
hearing on the 15th for the F LA are you

2582
01:47:56,520 --> 01:48:00,560
asking in terms of timing in terms of

2583
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,400
timing yes is that your question my

2584
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:05,159
question was if we're doing that in

2585
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:07,480
similar context with like another area I

2586
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:09,520
just want to make it known I I very much

2587
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:11,320
want to increase the rates for the false

2588
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:13,560
alarms it's just identifying what rates

2589
01:48:11,320 --> 01:48:17,440
there are so if we're trying to like

2590
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:19,239
hedge time I we will we will uh word the

2591
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:20,639
uh word the public hearing notice that

2592
01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:22,400
they calling for an increase in the

2593
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:24,599
public amendment that of that particular

2594
01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:28,159
part of code calling for an increase in

2595
01:48:24,599 --> 01:48:30,400
the uh in the fine amounts so that would

2596
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:33,880
be what the public will be on notice for

2597
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:36,080
then the legislation

2598
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:38,080
follow and then we look at the other

2599
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:41,000
municipality we'll come back to the

2600
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:43,280
council I will Shar to the council have

2601
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,840
assistant and chief Shar to the council

2602
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:46,040
other the municipality really they have

2603
01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:47,800
for false

2604
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:51,000
alarm

2605
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:52,960
okay so we did got through with the

2606
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:54,360
called public hearing for the records so

2607
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,840
we can we can proceed to call for a

2608
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:59,360
public hearing on the false alarm fee

2609
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:03,599
for October

2610
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:05,199
15th so second second all in favor I and

2611
01:49:03,599 --> 01:49:08,599
then we'll call for public Hearing in

2612
01:49:05,199 --> 01:49:12,080
October the 15th for parking fine

2613
01:49:08,599 --> 01:49:13,800
fees second all in favor I and then

2614
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:17,480
we'll call for public hearing and the

2615
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:20,800
animal control fee October

2616
01:49:17,480 --> 01:49:24,239
15 so uh so moved second second all in

2617
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:26,719
favor I thank

2618
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:28,239
you well we we'll get to work and we'll

2619
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:30,080
provide all the information that is

2620
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:33,280
needed there's a hand waving in the air

2621
01:49:30,080 --> 01:49:35,480
back there what are we

2622
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:37,239
doing no we we'll have a meeting with

2623
01:49:35,480 --> 01:49:41,599
you regards to the

2624
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:43,639
K unless you ready to go no I'm just

2625
01:49:41,599 --> 01:49:45,480
getting yeah I just want we we'll

2626
01:49:43,639 --> 01:49:48,719
provide all the information that was

2627
01:49:45,480 --> 01:49:50,800
asked and to the console so that we can

2628
01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:54,639
uh proceed with this in a timely

2629
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:54,639
manner the next it

2630
01:49:56,800 --> 01:50:02,320
review collecting feedback from City

2631
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:04,320
residents on our cdbg SL CV funding to

2632
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:07,239
prevent prepare for and respond to

2633
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,239
Corona virus

2634
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:12,159
projects um there a public hearing was

2635
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:15,159
held on the

2636
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:15,159
9th

2637
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:21,080
hereon are there any questions there

2638
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:23,400
were no um speakers there were no

2639
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:25,599
speakers are there any questions comment

2640
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,599
on

2641
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:32,480
is we need to we need to move so I have

2642
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,480
a motion to to to move this

2643
01:50:36,679 --> 01:50:42,639
resolution can I have a

2644
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,679
second closing out this matter it would

2645
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:46,920
be a motion to closing out the public

2646
01:50:44,679 --> 01:50:51,520
hearing with there was no comments and

2647
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:53,840
the report will go forward to the uh uh

2648
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:55,440
the agency that's was just hear what the

2649
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:57,199
motion would be yeah it would be a

2650
01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:00,199
motion to close out the public hearing

2651
01:50:57,199 --> 01:51:02,079
and and you know send the report to the

2652
01:51:00,199 --> 01:51:06,599
federal agency responsible for this

2653
01:51:02,079 --> 01:51:09,040
funding okay think did you Mo and I'll

2654
01:51:06,599 --> 01:51:11,639
second all in favor any other business

2655
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:15,639
or Finance motion to

2656
01:51:11,639 --> 01:51:17,760
adjourn second all in favor I I'd like

2657
01:51:15,639 --> 01:51:19,480
to call to order uh City development and

2658
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:21,440
planning there are 10 items on the

2659
01:51:19,480 --> 01:51:23,079
agenda and I will would like to add a

2660
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:26,599
couple more ceremony with resolutions

2661
01:51:23,079 --> 01:51:28,760
just so you're aware um Mr Wallin here

2662
01:51:26,599 --> 01:51:33,079
so the first item is the award bid

2663
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:33,079
contract for the City Mall ventilation

2664
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:44,880
replacement uh so the first award bidden

2665
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:46,840
contract we have is for like it says

2666
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,760
City Hall ventilation replacement there

2667
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:51,960
are two bids for this one is an

2668
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,079
electrical one is a mechanical we did

2669
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:55,000
the electrical

2670
01:51:53,079 --> 01:51:57,119
several weeks ago mechanically we didn't

2671
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:59,840
get a bid because some labeling we did

2672
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:03,520
come back out put out a bid and received

2673
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:06,000
a low bid from R&B mechanical um the

2674
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:08,840
second bid was considerably higher from

2675
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:10,599
Hecker we did talk with R&B mechanical

2676
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:12,440
we have done a lot of work with R&B

2677
01:52:10,599 --> 01:52:15,239
mechanical and they are confident in

2678
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:18,440
their number so we are confident in them

2679
01:52:15,239 --> 01:52:18,440
and we're recommending to move

2680
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:25,480
for any questions concerns move this

2681
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:27,239
second all those in favor I I uh item

2682
01:52:25,480 --> 01:52:28,599
number two awarding bid contract for the

2683
01:52:27,239 --> 01:52:31,079
watt Street and car Street Park

2684
01:52:28,599 --> 01:52:33,920
improvements of cargo construction Mr

2685
01:52:31,079 --> 01:52:36,159
Wallen um this is a we're calling it a W

2686
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:37,880
Street Safety project um it's a project

2687
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:39,199
we've been working with the members of

2688
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:42,320
the Congressional Gates of Heaven

2689
01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:45,679
Cemetery committee um because of the

2690
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:48,159
unique configuration of watch Street the

2691
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:50,679
fence has been hit multiple times uh

2692
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:53,800
over the course of the history of the

2693
01:52:50,679 --> 01:52:56,599
cemetery uh they've asked City to try to

2694
01:52:53,800 --> 01:53:00,239
mitigate that um so what we have is

2695
01:52:56,599 --> 01:53:01,920
we've designed a uh di rail system with

2696
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:04,119
Chevrons we're looking to possibly

2697
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:06,560
install a couple of solar power light up

2698
01:53:04,119 --> 01:53:09,520
Chevrons cuz uh a lot of these do happen

2699
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:11,679
at night uh where it is a you know

2700
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:14,800
geometry that we're not looking to have

2701
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:17,560
uh very unique in the area um and this

2702
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:19,560
also have a a modified driveway and then

2703
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:22,199
we are also working with uh the carer

2704
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:24,239
street park and trying to work with the

2705
01:53:22,199 --> 01:53:27,040
people people there to pick away at

2706
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:30,320
their master plan um a little bit at a

2707
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:32,040
time this will extend their sidewalk to

2708
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:34,760
the basketball court do a little

2709
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:36,480
connection and then pour some pads so

2710
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:38,440
that they can install some benches

2711
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:42,480
around the area that's

2712
01:53:38,440 --> 01:53:44,480
great any questions concerns a motion

2713
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:47,560
second all those in

2714
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:49,880
favor thank you and item number excuse

2715
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:53,040
me award bidden contract for dis connect

2716
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:57,119
fire station number one h h back and

2717
01:53:53,040 --> 01:54:00,440
Generator upgrades uh so similar to the

2718
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:04,840
City Hall of ventilation this was uh the

2719
01:54:00,440 --> 01:54:07,159
GC portion of a four bid wicka project

2720
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:08,880
we already awarded three the mechanical

2721
01:54:07,159 --> 01:54:11,280
the electrical and the plumbing we did

2722
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:15,199
have a hard time finding a GC we were

2723
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:18,920
able to um call a couple of people and

2724
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:20,800
get them to bid the low bid is MJG

2725
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:23,000
construction we have not worked with

2726
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:25,280
them they are relatively local of bson

2727
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,880
spa we did call we have references they

2728
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:30,520
have worked with the county and they

2729
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:32,960
have worked with um a couple of the sub

2730
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:34,560
other main contractors on the project

2731
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:38,159
which is how they were called and

2732
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:39,719
referenced so um with all that said we

2733
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:41,719
we were comfortable that they understand

2734
01:54:39,719 --> 01:54:44,440
the job and be able to work uh with the

2735
01:54:41,719 --> 01:54:48,119
other groups that are here they is

2736
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:51,040
significantly corre lower than y this

2737
01:54:48,119 --> 01:54:53,760
uh this work is for the GC on this

2738
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:57,520
particular job is is

2739
01:54:53,760 --> 01:55:00,040
not too too labor it's a it's a lot of

2740
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:01,920
repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations

2741
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:03,280
and things the majority of the work I

2742
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:05,800
mean if you were look at if you had all

2743
01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:09,639
the bids in front of you the hbac work

2744
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:11,560
is actually $1.3 million that's the HC

2745
01:55:09,639 --> 01:55:13,520
that's the bulk of the work I don't even

2746
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:15,840
know if the plumbing component is small

2747
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:18,400
the electric component is small GC is

2748
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:20,920
small it's really H job which is why

2749
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:23,520
we're having a hard time going and I

2750
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:25,560
would also think that um because the

2751
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:29,840
contractors know that this was the third

2752
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:32,239
bik at the Apple that they probably you

2753
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:34,360
know increased a little bit knowing that

2754
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:37,760
the city was in a pinch uh and this

2755
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:39,320
contractor possibly not as much but um

2756
01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:40,639
like I say we we have faith in our

2757
01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:42,679
references and the people that we talk

2758
01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:45,480
to and we're looking forward to

2759
01:55:42,679 --> 01:55:48,440
working thank you questions comments

2760
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:53,599
come with this second all in

2761
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:53,599
favor thank you thank you Mr w

2762
01:55:53,920 --> 01:56:00,520
uh so the um next one is just is a

2763
01:55:57,719 --> 01:56:02,599
ceremonial resolution recognizing Breast

2764
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:05,320
Cancer month which is October something

2765
01:56:02,599 --> 01:56:09,520
we generally try to do every year uh

2766
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:11,280
entertain a motion second all in favor

2767
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:13,719
and the next ceremonial resolution we

2768
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:16,280
all received an email from Business and

2769
01:56:13,719 --> 01:56:18,119
Professional women asking for actually

2770
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:20,679
they ask for Proclamation but we do

2771
01:56:18,119 --> 01:56:21,880
resolution so um putting forth to do a

2772
01:56:20,679 --> 01:56:23,800
resolution for the woman who's being

2773
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:26,280
honored for woman of the

2774
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:30,480
year uh what's her name Jennifer

2775
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:31,480
Hendrick fog so con a motion so second

2776
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,199
all in

2777
01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:36,040
favor item number six is a reminder of

2778
01:56:34,199 --> 01:56:38,119
the ceremony raming of a portion of

2779
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:40,480
Barrett Street from here on street to

2780
01:56:38,119 --> 01:56:41,920
the intersection of South Avenue to

2781
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:44,239
Marling Hill way there was a public

2782
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:46,480
hearing held on oh excuse me the public

2783
01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:50,639
hearing will be held on

2784
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:52,760
923 Mr L no that's all right thank you

2785
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:56,760
just a reminder public hearing is uh

2786
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:58,760
next Monday 7 p.m. okay thank you and I

2787
01:56:56,760 --> 01:57:02,000
would like to ask the uh council's

2788
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:03,920
Indulgence to um forward a couple more

2789
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,920
um resolutions I just actually came

2790
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:08,560
forward one of them if you read

2791
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:10,960
yesterday's paper there's a young man

2792
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:13,320
who currently resides in our our city uh

2793
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:16,440
James Jak Thomas who's been inducted

2794
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:18,679
into the Hall of Fame as we speak uh so

2795
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:20,760
I wanted to be able to recognize him

2796
01:57:18,679 --> 01:57:24,480
with the ceremonial

2797
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:26,960
resolution so second all in

2798
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:29,599
favor and then additionally also this

2799
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:31,960
weekend I was U um someone reached out

2800
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:33,880
to me September is suicide prevention

2801
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:36,920
month but for whatever reason they're

2802
01:57:33,880 --> 01:57:38,960
not having their walk until October 6th

2803
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:40,599
so um called and wanted to and it's

2804
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:43,079
their 10y year anniversary of their walk

2805
01:57:40,599 --> 01:57:45,280
in the city of skincity so um and this

2806
01:57:43,079 --> 01:57:49,320
would actually be presented at the walk

2807
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:53,079
so um just asking for a motion on this

2808
01:57:49,320 --> 01:57:54,599
resolution that second all in favor

2809
01:57:53,079 --> 01:57:56,360
thank you madam president since you're

2810
01:57:54,599 --> 01:58:00,159
adding here I think we all missed that

2811
01:57:56,360 --> 01:58:02,239
Hispanic heras month is celebrated um

2812
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:04,360
September 15th to October 15th so I

2813
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:05,719
would like to ask that we add that also

2814
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:07,639
and you you'll reach out for somebody to

2815
01:58:05,719 --> 01:58:09,280
come because we having that issue since

2816
01:58:07,639 --> 01:58:12,000
we're adding you know let's not leave

2817
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:15,719
anybody out so I would like to ask for a

2818
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:18,480
CR for Hispanic Heritage

2819
01:58:15,719 --> 01:58:21,840
Month second all those in

2820
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:24,440
favor okay uh the remainder of the items

2821
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:26,040
are are in executive session for

2822
01:58:24,440 --> 01:58:29,239
property

2823
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:31,679
sales so I entertain a motion to go an

2824
01:58:29,239 --> 01:58:33,960
executive session move second all in

2825
01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:37,920
favor we're in executive session members

2826
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,920
of the public will have to leave

2827
01:58:40,830 --> 01:58:47,160
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