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[3:23] I don't even see it doesn't look like
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[3:34] sendic I'd like to call to or disconnect
[3:37] the city council committee meeting for
[3:39] Monday September 16th 2024 and the first
[3:43] thing on our agenda we're going to have
[3:44] a presentation by Mr lefon on the
[3:48] uh survey that we should have gotten in
[3:51] the mail regarding the water Mr lefon
[3:56] service really just a little bit of an
[3:58] informational session you brought
[4:10] um few weeks back we uh we did contract
[4:14] with the company through a grant to send
[4:17] surveys out to Property Owners within
[4:19] the city of s to meet the new
[4:21] regulations from EPA with regard to
[4:23] letting coer that new rule is to uh is
[4:27] Ban all lead services in 1986 all uh
[4:32] containing solder containing lead it was
[4:35] all banned in
[4:36] 1986 uh now there is a push to do
[4:40] surveys of all the properties within the
[4:41] city with new expace actually the whole
[4:44] country to see which services are still
[4:46] L and then the next phase of that would
[4:49] be how to remove them so um most
[4:52] Property Owners would have gotten these
[4:54] um it was the best way to do it some
[4:56] Property Owners may get them through
[4:58] their um their service for esro for
[5:01] their Banks it'll be on the website
[5:03] hopefully with the two-day Insurance
[5:04] neity um people who don't know there is
[5:09] a way to test one lead which is this
[5:13] year part of the boo neck magnet W stick
[5:15] the lead okay that's what they're trying
[5:17] to remove
[5:19] um the city allows copper 1in copper um
[5:24] and we do allow uh CPS pipe which is
[5:26] positive um most people now are going
[5:29] with the CPS pipe because it's a
[5:31] fraction of the cost compared to what
[5:33] copper is nowadays I think a 60 or 80t
[5:36] roll of copper is almost $11,000 and 100
[5:40] ft of plastic is about
[5:42] $120 so um residents can go with plastic
[5:46] and the only thing they have to do is if
[5:48] they're currently grounded through their
[5:50] electrical Panet to the pipe that's in
[5:52] the ground they has to remain grounded
[5:54] if not they have to call an electrician
[5:56] electrical permit and put two grounding
[5:58] rods in to the electrical inspector's
[6:00] office to ground the new service or
[6:02] their house
[6:05] um what EPA does after the surveys are
[6:08] out it'll be a work in progress cuz we
[6:12] don't get into we're not going to get
[6:13] into 16,000 houses um you know in the
[6:16] next few months but it'll be a work in
[6:18] progress and uh once that's done that
[6:20] survey has to be posted on the website
[6:22] in the EPA format so anybody can access
[6:25] it and look up the property and see if
[6:27] it still has a lead service or c service
[6:30] um so I did want to come in and inform
[6:33] you that these are out so people do
[6:35] contact you please try and get them to
[6:39] contact the water department send the
[6:41] self card in to uh 120 water and or if
[6:45] they want to do the self test um like I
[6:48] said we'll schedule appointment with
[6:49] them to actually go out to the house
[6:51] determine whether they fling copper I
[6:54] know it's very difficult getting in
[6:55] people's basement nobody wants you in
[6:56] their house I'm not there to look at
[6:58] anything other than the
[7:01] PIP so I don't know if the council has
[7:03] any questions if you do these realter
[7:05] these surveys now so if someone has a
[7:08] lead pipe they have to get it replaced
[7:10] no um if they touch the Water Service
[7:13] like currently right now they have to do
[7:15] any work underwater service it is leg
[7:18] they have to bring it to code but if
[7:20] it's currently in the ground until EPA
[7:22] tells us has to be removed and currently
[7:25] who's going to pay for it because the
[7:27] city doesn't own services we own the
[7:30] mains property owns service from the
[7:34] main into the house so it's not been
[7:36] determined
[7:38] yet right now they're just doing the
[7:41] survey so so um my h on the paper was
[7:45] kind of my other question um sometimes
[7:47] low lower income homeowners have grants
[7:49] available so is that anything that's
[7:51] been there we had a grant a few years
[7:53] back for go around 560,000 we did about
[7:58] 100 service lines to you know people who
[8:00] knew the grant was available they had a
[8:02] el service the uh license plumber in the
[8:06] city we contact our plumbing inspector
[8:08] we W verify that it was led if it was
[8:10] led that property owner um received the
[8:13] service re charge to the grant so
[8:16] hopefully um EPA the federal government
[8:19] will come up with money
[8:20] because it's you know it's millions of
[8:23] dollars we have 16,000 properties this
[8:26] would affect almost any house that would
[8:29] built pre 86 that was when the r came to
[8:32] effect so the assumption is if your
[8:34] house was built before
[8:36] 1986 it probably has lead unless it was
[8:39] a a replace service cuz you already went
[8:42] B on you replaced it with
[8:44] copper and the other anybody else
[8:46] questions M pck um just two quick
[8:48] questions um when are the surveys due
[8:51] back and oer okay of this year we'll
[8:54] have hopefully the surveys back in or a
[8:56] part portion of them okay um the company
[9:00] we have working with us will put the
[9:02] data into the EPA format uh that'll get
[9:06] sent to EPA and we'll just continue
[9:08] working to gain entry to more more
[9:10] houses is the Sur I I know you said the
[9:13] results will go on our website is the
[9:15] survey instrument itself on our website
[9:18] okay no and surveys has got to be
[9:21] developed in the sense the data is going
[9:23] to be put in and 120 water is doing that
[9:27] okay and we're getting we're we're
[9:29] keeping a list downstairs and the water
[9:31] department personnel scheduling
[9:33] appointments to go out to Residents who
[9:34] do call in and just you know want
[9:36] somebody other than themselves to verify
[9:38] what they have going into the house
[9:41] thank you if if it's an unknown you
[9:43] considered it a leted service so we say
[9:47] unknown it's going to be considered
[9:50] Le anybody else pa um you mentioned um
[9:54] about cost and the EPA is not discussing
[9:56] that that the EPA is not discussing cost
[9:59] or who's going to bore the cost at this
[10:01] point in time is that something that you
[10:03] can try to find out from them as to who
[10:05] going to be responsible for the
[10:08] cost I I we we can look into it but I
[10:12] think what they're trying to figure out
[10:13] right now
[10:14] is you know in s alone if you have
[10:17] 16,000 Services you know what do you say
[10:20] um 15% maybe you know Leed still we're
[10:24] not sure so we've gone we're going
[10:26] through our data which are old um
[10:28] tapping cards
[10:29] um to help update everything um you know
[10:33] so it's it's a it's a process you know
[10:36] you just trying to find tapping cards
[10:38] from the 7s or 80s you know you're up in
[10:40] the archives in the Attic so um one of
[10:43] the easiest ways to actually get into a
[10:45] basement and look at the pipe scratch
[10:47] the pipe see if it's l see if it's
[10:49] copper see if it's
[10:53] plastic other questions you didn't have
[10:56] to bring copy of the survey uh with you
[10:58] I didn't get one to me I have a paper
[11:00] copy I can what I'll do is email it out
[11:02] I can email it some and I can email the
[11:05] most fre oh this one this one you got a
[11:08] C
[11:10] your just so people kind of see what it
[11:13] is and know it's not junk
[11:16] mail that
[11:19] conf so kind of looks like this says and
[11:24] so if they scan this QR code they scan
[11:26] the QR code they can respond to through
[11:28] this okay so all right and then just the
[11:32] other side well that just says residence
[11:34] so doesn't oh no it is okay so if you
[11:38] get these in the mail it's not jump mail
[11:40] they need to complete the surveys and if
[11:42] they want you all get is call downstairs
[11:44] from 9 and we set the okay any other
[11:47] questions thank thank you very much
[11:50] thank for bringing the uh the uh prop
[11:53] the next meeting
[11:56] for thank you
[12:00] all right we'll begin with the public
[12:02] safety so I like to call the Public
[12:04] Safety Committee sub order we have three
[12:05] items on the agenda tonight first of
[12:07] which is the discussion of traffic
[12:09] safety measures within the city city
[12:11] Miss Patrick yes uh thank you Mr
[12:13] Williams um I'd like to
[12:16] ask Mr Mr Wallen to come to the front I
[12:19] brought 10 copies but nobody's here
[12:22] we're here this is a continuation of a
[12:24] discussion that we've been having about
[12:26] traffic safety and traffic calming
[12:28] measures
[12:38] thank you for bringing me of course
[12:41] hello so September 16th traffic update
[12:44] hope me get my a little docky I
[12:46] apologize that this TV seems to always
[12:48] be on the
[12:52] pr
[12:53] uh turn it
[12:56] on and there we're away all right
[12:59] so the first thing that we wanted to
[13:00] talk about this is going to be when I do
[13:02] these updates we're going to kind of go
[13:04] with a little bit of agenda but also a
[13:06] little bit of where we have to go so one
[13:08] of the first things that we talked about
[13:09] is to put these into place uh officially
[13:12] what we'd like to do is in talking with
[13:14] the corporate council's office is modify
[13:16] the city code to authorize the city
[13:18] engineer as it states uh to have uh
[13:22] section a new section which we're
[13:24] calling traffic cing measures which
[13:26] authorizes a city engineer to install
[13:28] traffic cing measures on designated
[13:30] streets uh as it's written there it is
[13:32] of course totally changed this was a
[13:35] draft that was put together um but it is
[13:37] the idea that it authorizes myself with
[13:40] your permission to install things that
[13:42] we talked about at the previous update
[13:44] which is speed bumps humps red light
[13:47] cameras SC zone speed cameras we can
[13:49] even put a little bit of you know and
[13:52] similar devices and in there just so
[13:53] we're not coming back for every little
[13:55] thing um this is something that would
[13:58] require a public hearing I believe
[14:01] because we would be amending the city
[14:03] code um so if this is what we' like to
[14:06] go forward with I think this would be
[14:08] the the top priority uh to get it into
[14:10] the public hearing process to move
[14:12] forward so that we could do that and I
[14:14] provided you the language in your in
[14:17] your handout there um just moving on if
[14:20] we're going to be doing this uh and
[14:22] calling on public hearing about my roles
[14:25] one of the things that has come up is I
[14:27] also liked I haven't even talked to Sean
[14:28] about this I'd also like to amend this
[14:31] section of my duties which has to do
[14:34] with um use of streets and sidewalks
[14:37] what we did was and I'm sure you're kind
[14:39] of aware is we've transitioned a lot of
[14:42] enforcement to codes and we've
[14:44] beautified all the enforcement in the
[14:46] codes Department however we never
[14:48] changeed the charter as it's custom here
[14:50] we don't really update the charter as
[14:51] quickly as we should and so the charter
[14:54] says that it's the commissioner of
[14:55] Public Works Paul or the assistant city
[14:58] engineer engineer who does not exist the
[15:01] assistant city engineer was a PE
[15:03] physician and I don't believe it's
[15:05] existed for about 20 years um and those
[15:08] are the two people that Shall Serve
[15:10] notice to people for sidewalk violations
[15:13] um so you know we have sidewalk
[15:16] violations that do occur from time to
[15:17] time so I am requesting um that this be
[15:21] change to commissioner Public Works city
[15:24] engineer or uh the codes department so
[15:26] that we can have the codes officers uh
[15:29] write this as part of their uh duties so
[15:33] while it's not part of the Traffic
[15:37] Safety in a way if we're going to call a
[15:39] public hearing and discuss uh the duties
[15:43] of the city engineer I would love to be
[15:45] able to modify this so it's cleaner I
[15:47] have another one
[15:51] for thank
[15:53] you on slide three so uh so these were
[15:57] the first two things that we uh I wanted
[15:59] to talk about was the modification C
[16:01] code city of authority uh the second
[16:04] thing that I wanted to talk with you
[16:06] about today uh would be the speed table
[16:10] procedure it was something that we
[16:12] provided before uh with the city of
[16:15] Rochester I modified it just a little
[16:17] bit simplified some areas of it there
[16:19] you go Sam and I'd like to
[16:23] get um committee comments on it I I do
[16:26] think that it may be appropriate I don't
[16:28] we don't we don't do it much but to meet
[16:31] actually uh with the committee possibly
[16:34] and not turn these Council meetings into
[16:36] workshops um I I don't know how we do
[16:39] that but you know there's decisions that
[16:41] have to be made before we move forward
[16:43] with a lot of these items and I don't
[16:44] know if this is the right venue to have
[16:47] these kind of Workshop discussions so
[16:49] just so you know since we've been having
[16:51] these kind of things there's been
[16:52] committee meetings being held okay
[16:54] terrific so s that so what you have in
[16:57] front of you is is a speed table
[17:00] procedure I'm summarizing it up top
[17:02] where we're saying that you know there'
[17:03] be five steps this is identical to
[17:05] Rochester just modified for the city's
[17:07] connect where you're talking about a
[17:09] letter of request in-house evaluation
[17:11] traffic study and then the consideration
[17:12] of other factors uh the highlighted
[17:14] portion is where I just like to go is
[17:17] that they use a 75% petition um we don't
[17:21] have a petition that is that high so
[17:23] then I would ask that the council come
[17:25] up with a number that is uh you know
[17:28] could be 7 5% could be 50 could be 80
[17:30] but I just want to make sure that that
[17:31] number I would like the council to be
[17:33] able to set similarly uh on the bottom
[17:37] on Section six there's a section about
[17:40] parallel
[17:41] streets and if you kind of were to read
[17:45] this whole thing and gloss over it it's
[17:47] one of those little worded sections that
[17:49] could be a nightmare um so I will like
[17:52] direct you to where I grew up I grew up
[17:54] on Arsley road which is right by the
[17:55] high school Arsley road is a great examp
[17:58] example road that I just happened to
[18:00] grow up on because Ardsley Road is you
[18:01] have the high school the parking lot is
[18:03] literally empty on Arsley Road and you
[18:05] have Union Street so cars drive that way
[18:08] so if you get a petition from Arsley
[18:09] Road and they say we really want speed
[18:11] HTS and we put them there Waverly and
[18:14] Phoenix directly parallel right next
[18:17] door so then you start pushing then you
[18:19] get to mclen then you get to Parkwood
[18:21] you get to Glenwood and Rochester
[18:24] actually you know really they kind of
[18:26] they had stronger language it was
[18:28] essentially if there are more than one
[18:30] parallel Street you're denied they don't
[18:32] even want to get into it and I don't
[18:34] want to go down that road yet because
[18:35] this is a new process but I wanted to
[18:38] point out that on those particular
[18:39] streets the other streets I was thinking
[18:41] about are in neighborhood such as woodan
[18:43] where if you go into woodan we have very
[18:45] long straight runs of roads where if we
[18:48] put them there uh the particularly
[18:50] there's the four I don't remember off
[18:52] the to my head but there's four roads
[18:53] that go right through from Albany Street
[18:56] to the wood preserve there's a long
[18:58] straight Road so if we put speed pumps
[19:00] on one of them are we forcing them to
[19:02] the others um
[19:06] Gord it's that it's that level of just
[19:08] making sure we have the understanding
[19:09] that we don't want to solve a problem on
[19:12] one street but push the problem to the
[19:14] others um so and with regards to this
[19:17] that's why you know Brian is here uh
[19:19] Canon because we've been working he's
[19:20] been using uh the data from the city
[19:23] Smart City nodes and Optical sensors and
[19:25] working with our vendors he's pulled
[19:26] some data he's actually shared it with
[19:28] myself in the police department I don't
[19:31] want to make it public yet because we're
[19:33] still working out some of the Kinks on
[19:35] what we really believe is is feasible
[19:37] and not feasible um but that could be
[19:40] maybe the next update this one I want to
[19:42] show you that like I'd love to get the
[19:44] code moving get this kind of going with
[19:47] this procedure so that we know what
[19:49] we're doing and then we can focus on
[19:51] where the actual tables themselves are
[19:53] going um the next part of that is I say
[19:56] tables I just wanted to bring this up
[19:59] we've been doing a lot of research on
[20:01] this um and we know we're not the first
[20:03] so because we're not the first I'm not
[20:05] acting like we're inventing anything
[20:06] here we're just implemented so the table
[20:09] that we put on Dwayne Avenue in SKC was
[20:12] what is called a speed table on the left
[20:14] you go up it's flat for a little bit and
[20:16] you go down there are speed PPS what
[20:20] Albany has are speed humps up down so
[20:23] one is 12 ft one is 30 ft you know or 26
[20:27] ft depending so we have these two
[20:29] different so if you were to go to almany
[20:31] they have humps we used a table the
[20:34] tables are better for really high volume
[20:36] roads um one of the differences I think
[20:38] the main difference and I don't want to
[20:39] you know I know you're probably going to
[20:40] say Chris whatever you'd like to do but
[20:42] I just want to talk and tell you what it
[20:44] is is that the idea with Dwayne Avenue
[20:46] was we don't need to reduce the speed we
[20:50] just don't want you speeding so a speed
[20:53] hump you will drive and it'll have a
[20:55] sign it'll say speed hump 15 miles an
[20:58] hour you got to slow down to 15 go over
[21:01] to speed hun and then keep driving the
[21:03] speed tables we specifically designed
[21:06] and pick that they're meant for 30 m
[21:09] hour you drive 30 m an hour you go up
[21:11] you go over you go down if you go 40 m
[21:14] an hour it's going to be really
[21:15] uncomfortable so that was the idea the
[21:17] thought was and this is work said
[21:19] working with the PD working with John
[21:21] kucho at the time was that if you had a
[21:23] speed hump and you reduce that speed to
[21:25] 15 you would want to make it up you
[21:28] would want to go up over okay that was
[21:30] annoying I got to go fast and then up up
[21:33] over and I'm going to make it up um we
[21:35] didn't get that complaint with these
[21:37] speed tables I don't remember hearing
[21:39] that about the the the going fast
[21:42] portion of it but I did want to point
[21:44] out that the majority of locations are
[21:46] using pumps which are a little bit
[21:47] smaller more manageable with tables uh
[21:50] but I I I haven't decided which way I
[21:52] really want to go but I just wanted to
[21:54] state that is the reason if we do use
[21:56] speed pumps most likely even if 25 mph
[22:00] we will have to put a advisory sign that
[22:02] the speed over that hump is 20 or 15 so
[22:06] we have to reduce the speed over the
[22:09] hum table we wouldn't
[22:12] have um also we have some standard
[22:15] sheets just to let you know this is you
[22:16] know what a speed table would look like
[22:18] this is off the do so this is what kind
[22:20] of we're working on once again we're not
[22:21] trying to reinvent the wheel similarly
[22:24] uh signage this is what I I'm going to
[22:26] be forwarding to Paul with Bond and
[22:29] Brian uh about this is what we're
[22:31] thinking is that like right now this is
[22:33] if we were to use a speed table we would
[22:36] we would put what the speed limit is
[22:38] because we're not going to have speed
[22:39] limit signs on every road once we go
[22:40] through this uh you know hopefully the
[22:42] lowering of the speed limit so we would
[22:44] say okay the speed limit is 25 there's a
[22:47] speed table ahead here's the speed table
[22:50] that would be the procedure of advanced
[22:52] warning and then the as you see on the
[22:54] road they use a very unique now system
[22:57] of striping where it's it's like a a 3ft
[23:00] wide stripe then you go 30 ft and it's a
[23:02] 5ft wide stripe then you go 30 ft eight
[23:05] and it goes and then when you get to the
[23:06] the speed table it's an arrow so it's a
[23:09] it's a very uh distinct amount of
[23:12] striping to get to that point so right
[23:15] now this is uh what we were calling our
[23:18] our our signage and striping package
[23:20] that we would be working with with Brian
[23:23] SPD to implement um if this is this is
[23:26] specific to a speed table I didn't have
[23:28] time to put one together for a speed
[23:30] hump the only difference would be that
[23:33] white speed limit sign would be a little
[23:35] yellow sign that would be saying
[23:37] probably 20 or 15 because youd have to
[23:39] slow down
[23:43] so so if let's say this is with the
[23:47] speed table so it was a speed hump are
[23:48] you saying you would need the 25 mph in
[23:51] addition to that you would need an
[23:52] additional sign right around the speed
[23:54] PP we for the 15 so we would put it's a
[23:58] little misleading because those signs
[24:00] aren't meant to actually be above above
[24:01] each other they're just meant to show
[24:03] ones here ones further back the advisory
[24:07] sign would be directly attached in
[24:09] beneath that speed table ahead sign to
[24:11] advise you that you have to go slower
[24:13] over it the only difference would be
[24:15] most likely is that we would mod
[24:16] probably put a speed limit sign on the
[24:18] other side just you know this is what
[24:20] the speed limit is just to remind you
[24:21] what the speed limit is but the the
[24:24] speed humps the advantage of the speed
[24:25] hump is it would probably be cheaper cuz
[24:27] they're smaller
[24:29] um but I just I'm like I said I try to
[24:32] deal in transparency and we did not
[24:34] install speed pumps on Dwayne Avenue we
[24:37] used specifically designed speed tables
[24:40] for our speed limit which was at the
[24:42] time 30 so it would work perfectly fine
[24:44] in 25 and those are the comments that we
[24:46] got with for a speed table but I have
[24:48] the entire Albany uh city of Albany um
[24:52] PL set I have their procedures Albany
[24:54] has a similar procedure that they have
[24:56] adopted by the council um
[24:58] I pretty sure I could share I wasn't
[25:00] comfortable sharing it now but I'm
[25:01] pretty sure it's all public to share um
[25:05] uh that's what they developed and
[25:06] they're using pumps in their project in
[25:09] Hamilton Hill so um in terms
[25:13] of we only did one that one street like
[25:16] that's that's the only feedback we got
[25:18] was from that one street so all the the
[25:21] other places that we talked about people
[25:23] felt you know giv yeah the next one was
[25:25] supposed to be rugby and yeah we didn't
[25:26] do that we haven't gotten any of that
[25:28] yeah so we're basing everything just on
[25:29] that one uh right now yes right now well
[25:31] I'm not only basing off of that but
[25:33] that's why I'm trying to use the Albany
[25:34] study in some other areas to try to pull
[25:36] in information of just what people are
[25:37] doing um but yes for our local we've
[25:41] only used that system once on that road
[25:45] okay so um I have a couple questions so
[25:49] um just on that one still so that does
[25:51] make the Assumption I think that we
[25:53] would lower the speed limit to 25 that
[25:56] this is all off that's why I put it
[25:57] there that we are going be lowering the
[25:58] speed limit on local roads to 25 yes
[26:02] okay it's based on that okay great I'm
[26:04] happy to hear that um and then on the
[26:07] sidewalk one I thought and this did
[26:10] happen before I was on Council but I'm
[26:12] pretty I thought that we had to have a
[26:14] petition and that that too was I thought
[26:16] the number was 75% but um cuz that that
[26:19] language isn't in here about having a
[26:22] petition I I think the city Charter
[26:25] still stands up 25% right 25%
[26:28] so if if if residents on a street had a
[26:32] 25% of the residents so shouldn't that
[26:34] be we're putting it in um for the speed
[26:37] tables should we be putting it into
[26:39] that's you know that's a different if I
[26:42] can interject as kind of a different Pro
[26:45] process you're looking at it something
[26:48] of a fluid situation whereas if you're
[26:50] talking about Improvement districts that
[26:52] goes to property taxes and that's in the
[26:54] city Charter which is a total different
[26:57] oh element I I I get the distinction
[26:59] okay so it's it's okay thank you
[27:02] different and I just um I do think that
[27:07] it would be great to have a special you
[27:09] know if we needed to talk about this
[27:10] more to have a special Public Safety
[27:12] Committee meeting as we did the other
[27:13] day so I just want
[27:15] that any other questions or comments Mr
[27:18] U Mr sometime back we had asked um you
[27:21] to kind of give us a clost breakdown for
[27:23] these um speed table or speed home were
[27:26] you able to get a class for how much one
[27:28] be yes no I didn't put anything together
[27:31] yet the signage we would most likely be
[27:33] able to do in house do you think FR
[27:35] we're not talking about too many
[27:38] signs yeah yeah we were looking at two
[27:40] four six signs posts and then the the
[27:43] black um notices you see that those are
[27:46] delineators just so in case I just threw
[27:48] those in there each side of it just for
[27:50] plow purposes that's one thing you do
[27:51] you put you know this where the front
[27:53] and the back of them would be so the
[27:54] plows know where they are that's what
[27:56] those are um the speed tables themselves
[27:58] they're asphalt they're not very large
[28:01] um I I mean I can get a I can get a
[28:04] pretty accurate appr from one of our
[28:05] vendors
[28:07] but $25 to $50,000 for for one I don't
[28:10] think it would be you know too too cost
[28:12] prohibitive for putting one in maybe we
[28:14] do it when we pave some of the road and
[28:16] that can be you know absorbed into that
[28:18] get a little bit more um efficiencies
[28:20] out of it if we pave the road at the
[28:21] same
[28:23] time on the
[28:26] removables on the removable H that we
[28:29] purchased last year
[28:34] $6,000 or that's put
[28:41] 16 just just follow so
[28:45] Mr budget is end of this month is it
[28:48] possible for you to consider maybe put
[28:50] that in your Capital um so what I have
[28:53] in my capital budget going for next year
[28:55] I have a meeting with Anthony but
[28:56] usually what I request is somewhere
[28:58] around a million half $2.5 million for
[29:00] General Paving which is above and beyond
[29:02] what the state gives us and in that we
[29:05] usually leave it open and we call it
[29:07] know it used to be called road paving
[29:09] program now we call it the street
[29:10] Improvement program and we leave the
[29:12] bond language a little bit more open so
[29:15] that this would be under that program so
[29:18] that's how we would be doing things is
[29:19] that can you can you create a separate
[29:21] line for Speed table speed home and
[29:24] allocate money on just so it's budgeted
[29:27] just you see it yes I could ask Anthony
[29:30] to do that yes well yeah it would be a
[29:32] smaller one yes
[29:34] something any just would doing that
[29:36] based on estimates at this point in time
[29:38] yes Mr yeah oh I just want to
[29:42] logistically uh go through this if I can
[29:45] right now if you all want to I I
[29:48] provided uh the draft ordinance to you
[29:50] which is Incorporated in slide number
[29:51] two if you want to go with that you
[29:54] would have to have a public hearing now
[29:56] the public hearing would either be you
[29:58] know the same night you're doing the
[29:59] public hearing for the budget in mid
[30:01] October or putting it out for the second
[30:04] meeting in in in October and then
[30:07] regarding the the language and then the
[30:10] uh the speed table request procedure we
[30:13] would do is after you have your public
[30:16] hearing vote on the ordinance that same
[30:18] night you could do a resolution end
[30:20] endorsing the policy whatever you may
[30:23] agree to because section two of that
[30:25] ordinance will will uh uh has the U
[30:29] process where you're uh agreeing or
[30:33] inputting on the uh on the uh on the
[30:36] guidance issued by the city engineer so
[30:40] logistically you know for thinking ahead
[30:42] here you know it's up to you what you
[30:44] all want to do public hearing is because
[30:48] of the way the schedule is is not going
[30:49] to be until the the public hearing for
[30:53] the the
[30:54] budget you may want to think about
[30:56] putting it off to the end of October
[30:58] because you'll have a full plate of sure
[31:01] on that night for the budget so we could
[31:04] do you know if you want this language we
[31:07] could do you know pass out tonight the
[31:09] resolution calling for a public hearing
[31:11] but the public hearing would be at that
[31:13] second me in in uh
[31:17] October FR so yeah I was just wondering
[31:20] about it's like I know that you're
[31:21] saying that we have a pretty limited
[31:23] data set just because we only use that
[31:24] on doing ad but don't we have some data
[31:27] like our Smart City stuff and you know
[31:29] some of those some of the other uh kind
[31:32] of traffic sets we've been doing
[31:34] collecting data around like uh street
[31:35] warer is that is any of that data would
[31:38] that be applicable to this we can say
[31:39] okay this looks like more trouble we
[31:42] have data but that's what I was is uh as
[31:44] Brian myself and the and the police
[31:46] department are using that data to
[31:48] identify areas that would be best
[31:51] probable areas to put these systems but
[31:53] it wouldn't help us with them cuz we
[31:55] don't have anything like this out there
[31:57] Dwayne Avenue was very unique uh and
[32:00] like I said we just used yes it was that
[32:01] one case study to to move forward and
[32:04] and we can identify it was
[32:06] uh but no I I don't think I don't think
[32:09] the data that we have today we could use
[32:11] to justify you know the success in one
[32:14] of these cuz we don't have anything out
[32:15] there this these are these are different
[32:17] kinds of systems and these are
[32:20] they're they're very unique to have on a
[32:23] public prob you know even use to in
[32:24] parking lotes and things like that I
[32:25] don't think we can make that and Bri you
[32:28] disagree with that I no
[32:31] so miss Patrick but we do have the
[32:34] example of the city of Aly and the debt
[32:37] and all that they've been doing that we
[32:39] could look to correct and I work with I
[32:41] work with uh with them quite a bit and I
[32:43] also work like I said we're working with
[32:45] the cap region Transportation Council
[32:47] and we can work with them I'm not I'm
[32:50] not
[32:51] too I am not too concerned about if they
[32:53] will be effective it's just where they
[32:56] will be effective and getting the
[32:58] policies and procedures right so that
[33:00] you know we're we're the one kind of
[33:02] steering with the implementation of them
[33:04] and how they're placed because I think
[33:06] it was a good study I really do think
[33:07] that the way having the study was a good
[33:09] study and we got good results in Albany
[33:11] you know they clearly saw it was good
[33:12] and they're making the investment and
[33:14] you're seeing this as to combat it um
[33:17] and we like I said we're using the data
[33:18] to pull it together we're looking at
[33:21] it's it's a it's a tool it's not the
[33:23] tool but it is a tool just like last
[33:25] presentation I said these are all the
[33:26] tools that we have
[33:28] and I I think that we could start
[33:29] looking at the new ones that I didn't
[33:31] bother talking about speed cameras or
[33:33] bus cameras or things like that but all
[33:35] those are are useful tools when used
[33:38] correctly um well just um so with the
[33:42] 1.5 million for Paving or I think you
[33:46] said um with that also I mean I guess I
[33:49] just want to make sure that we have
[33:50] enough money um or at least we have the
[33:52] ability to discuss whether we're going
[33:54] to have enough money um if we were going
[33:56] to do the cameras or um you know any
[34:00] other kinds of traffic caling
[34:02] measures um I I don't know how the it
[34:06] like traffic cameras and that I don't
[34:08] know how that would work um with regards
[34:10] to paying money um but I mean so
[34:13] somewhere in the budget I mean it
[34:15] doesn't have to be in the paving line
[34:16] but yeah would You' like to see if we
[34:18] could put something yes okay please Mr
[34:22] for so I just want to be clear are we
[34:24] going to be doing are we going to be um
[34:26] doing Runway Road
[34:28] before this you moving forward with this
[34:31] is there going to be a pilot over there
[34:33] as well I know that was our intention is
[34:35] it still going to happen this year at
[34:38] all we can do it at all yes this year it
[34:40] will be difficult Mr so the the Smart
[34:45] City things that we've implemented th
[34:46] far and it's kind of similar question
[34:48] but just from a different position I'm
[34:50] kind of thinking about what M Patrick
[34:52] was saying can is is any of that
[34:55] technology is it applicable for us to
[34:58] use the data and or maybe leverage some
[35:01] of that existing technology to use as
[35:04] far as like maybe the corporation of
[35:06] traffic Camas I'm just trying to think
[35:07] like is there another application to
[35:09] some of that smart City's money that's
[35:11] been spent and can we leverage that to
[35:13] help
[35:16] within I I don't believe so at time if
[35:19] the cameras if the cameras could detect
[35:23] the plates which they may be able to and
[35:24] detect the speed we're not legally
[35:26] allowed to tick it for to send out
[35:28] notices I don't believe I mean that was
[35:30] like what we're talking about is we
[35:32] could buying the camera is just the
[35:35] material item but the the step that we
[35:38] need to complete is the legislation
[35:40] request it's kind of similar what we're
[35:41] doing here is that I know that it just
[35:43] feels completely bureaucratic and like
[35:45] we're not doing anything but working
[35:46] with uh the legal office you know this
[35:48] is what we're saying is that if we can
[35:50] really get the code change the policy
[35:53] form in place and some of these details
[35:55] worked out it'll set us up so that next
[35:57] next year because you know we're going
[35:59] into October that next year we're we're
[36:01] ready we're planning in the winter we're
[36:03] bidding in the spring and next year we
[36:05] kind of have a plan of what we're what
[36:07] our our attack is so that we're hitting
[36:09] the ground running um I mean it's very
[36:12] similar what we're talking about with
[36:13] the speed limit reduction um you know so
[36:16] I talked with the the crtc today and
[36:18] Brian and you know what they're doing is
[36:21] they're consulted Brian sending over our
[36:23] our signage plan they're doing some
[36:25] traffic surveys and just to reiterate
[36:27] you know that's why what this says 25
[36:30] mph Mr I have
[36:33] no uh hesitation or or or thought about
[36:36] local roads going to 25 it's the half
[36:40] dozen to a dozen roads that are in that
[36:42] that area so they asked what do we want
[36:45] to look like you know and it's Broadway
[36:47] what is Broadway you know Broadway is
[36:49] the one street that goes this way I
[36:51] didn't know knowing the geography of the
[36:52] city like I know we all do Union Eastern
[36:55] State Albany right they all go that
[36:58] Broadway is the only street that goes
[37:00] that way all right so I just like can
[37:02] you look at it can you give me your
[37:03] opinion on what Broadway is same thing
[37:05] where it's splits the Gilder you know
[37:06] we're looking at it from a traffic from
[37:09] a density you know uh a little bit of
[37:11] eerie Boulevard because the use of eerie
[37:13] bouevard is changing and maybe the
[37:14] speeds aren't high enough anyways um so
[37:17] there's certain streets you're going to
[37:18] be looking at but 95% of the roads we
[37:21] know the recommendations is going to be
[37:22] they local they're 25 and we're also
[37:24] stating if you look in your procedure
[37:26] which I didn't think that you know had
[37:27] time to read that whole thing is that
[37:29] part of that is saying we really only
[37:32] want to put these traffic control
[37:33] devices on local
[37:35] roads we we I had that in the
[37:37] presentation slide last time which was
[37:39] the the emergency routes the arterials
[37:41] we really you don't want to go driving
[37:43] down State Street and then all of a
[37:44] sudden oh my God there's a Beed that's
[37:46] not that's not appropriate you know we
[37:47] want to keep you we actually want
[37:49] traffic to go onto State Street we want
[37:51] traffic to go on the Union Street you
[37:54] know that's one of those things like
[37:55] mlen Street for example I know that it's
[37:57] primarily residential but you want the
[38:00] traffic on mclen street that is the main
[38:03] route you don't want the traffic to go
[38:05] onto Parkwood or Arsley you want and
[38:09] then you know the residents that are on
[38:10] those
[38:12] streets it's it is what it is that is a
[38:15] a more of a collector grow um so you
[38:18] just have to you try that's the that's
[38:20] the fear is if you start doing you start
[38:21] getting people onto that um but it's a
[38:24] it's a balance that we're trying to do
[38:26] and I think that's actual a really good
[38:28] Segway my one question right two was
[38:30] related to the minimum distance for K
[38:32] streets that 500 ft um and then the
[38:35] second part is can you talk about that
[38:37] makeup speed so the one question is 500
[38:40] ft would most of our local roads like um
[38:43] meet that condition and the second is
[38:46] does the length of the street have
[38:47] anything to do or does it affect the
[38:49] that makeup speed we're talking about
[38:51] with putting in pumps all right brief
[38:54] cuz I know what you're talking about
[39:00] so you're talking about streets of less
[39:02] than 500
[39:04] and uh so the first question was um the
[39:07] 500 ft didn't have a minimum distance of
[39:09] 500 ft between existing stop signs or
[39:11] traffic signals it it's just trying to
[39:14] put something where it's a short block
[39:16] you don't have something in the middle
[39:18] 500 ft we're looking at um I believe the
[39:21] the original one that we're looking at
[39:22] was closer to 800 ft so we we brought it
[39:25] down a little bit um and and that is one
[39:28] of the issues that we're going to see is
[39:30] that's where this is really going to get
[39:31] a little complex is that if we do this
[39:33] on a longer Road there's quite a few
[39:37] that we're going to start installing and
[39:38] the road is going to you know one of
[39:40] there's a road in colon that was one of
[39:41] the first to do this by a school um I
[39:44] can't remember it's right off of uh San
[39:46] Creek Road I believe but they have speed
[39:48] speed humps all the way down um and they
[39:51] have to be spaced appropriately so you
[39:53] so you know what you're what to expect
[39:56] as you go
[39:57] but I I'll look in but the idea is is
[40:00] that you just don't have one on a very
[40:03] short
[40:04] block and then a second question was in
[40:08] the actual PowerPoint I think it was the
[40:09] first actual Slide the Article 2 traffic
[40:11] regulations I know we've talked a lot
[40:13] about stop signs and LED lights do you
[40:15] think that'd be an appropriate Landing
[40:17] space for that to be included I know
[40:19] you've talked about like the true
[40:21] definition of traffic calling measures
[40:23] but I think in my head and
[40:24] conceptionally of a lot of members in
[40:25] the community they would see those as
[40:27] also um so would you think that is
[40:29] appropriate to put or add to that or
[40:31] does it already capture that yeah Mr
[40:33] chairman if I can yeah I I think that's
[40:35] already captured it matters under the
[40:37] city Authority crosswalk safety zone
[40:40] traffic Lanes traffic control U signals
[40:43] Etc so those types of issues I think are
[40:46] addressed earlier also referring to the
[40:49] uh section uh 1603 of the vehicle and
[40:52] traffic law so those issues regarding
[40:56] stop signs are are are addressed earlier
[40:59] I think what the you know Mr wallan was
[41:01] concerned about is because we're getting
[41:03] into a realm of Cafe traffic calming
[41:06] devices which are a
[41:08] different uh entity than a stop sign uh
[41:12] speed hum speed speed traffic tables Etc
[41:17] tra um um school zone cameras
[41:21] Etc that wasn't in the code and that's
[41:25] why the city engineer was looking for
[41:26] that new new section to create that
[41:29] because it just didn't Envision those
[41:31] types of devices but the more
[41:33] traditional devices the stop signs Etc
[41:36] that's already in the in the engineers
[41:38] Authority we did something similar to
[41:40] this 8 years ago where our parking
[41:44] sections of the code which is also under
[41:45] city engineer Authority did not
[41:47] anticipate apps or kiosks the the
[41:51] parking code only made reference to
[41:53] meters and coins and tokens so we had an
[41:56] issued a token
[41:57] in you know about 15 years 20 years at
[42:00] that point so we we updated the code so
[42:02] this is similar here that the traffic
[42:04] calming measures and these are even
[42:05] phrases that weren't said when when was
[42:08] traffic calming
[42:10] was I think I just want to say that I
[42:12] think one of um Mr wall suggestions was
[42:15] um adding and similar devices at the end
[42:18] of that first sentence so that might
[42:20] cover some but also you know but not
[42:23] limited to I think that's radens it you
[42:26] know another these are examples so as
[42:30] new types of devices are developed you
[42:32] always put that in there so it's not
[42:34] limited it's just those are the types of
[42:35] devices that will go into that section
[42:38] yeah I think often times that
[42:39] specifically with like job applications
[42:41] they put that as or other duties as aign
[42:43] so I think to those around the table and
[42:45] I imagine some those that you work
[42:46] closely with this is common language but
[42:48] just breaking it out for some people who
[42:50] are Tuning In For the First Time hello
[42:52] then it also includes other areas as
[42:54] well um so unless there are any other
[42:56] questions or comments
[42:58] um I think Mr O'Brian you asking for us
[43:00] to public hearing public hearing so we
[43:03] need to move for a public hearing Mr the
[43:06] only yes Mr when Mr was speaking you
[43:08] were asking about um doing this and
[43:11] having the passing the resolution on the
[43:13] same day I'm you know I'm a little
[43:15] reluctant to do that you can do that
[43:16] it's an option you can it's an option
[43:18] people come to speak at public hearing
[43:20] and if people come we don't want to say
[43:22] okay no going to move ahead so prer to
[43:25] stretch that out and what I let me just
[43:28] clarify I mean when you pass the
[43:30] ordinance when you pass the ordinance
[43:32] creating that new section it's not in
[43:34] the public hearing of doing that on the
[43:36] same NE what I'm saying is that when you
[43:39] pass the or after you have the public
[43:41] hearing the week transpired you goes to
[43:44] committee one more time at that point
[43:46] you'll be looking at the the the the
[43:49] policy and guidance and then you'll be
[43:52] looking at the Ordinance one last time
[43:53] and then you can pass both out at the
[43:55] next time and I'm saying is the
[43:57] resolution for the uh the uh the
[44:01] guidance can go at the same time and
[44:03] then you pass the ordinance that's
[44:05] clarification thank
[44:08] you so unless there any other questions
[44:10] or further um
[44:13] breakdowns so we're moving to call for
[44:15] public hearing to amend CH section
[44:18] 24811 and to CH 228
[44:23] 19 yes so second second all in favor hi
[44:29] uh then next are you enjoying the
[44:31] traffic safety presentations I am okay
[44:35] there's a new thing for me to do a
[44:37] presentation thank you very much thank
[44:41] you just point clarification that will
[44:44] be the the second meeting in October yes
[44:47] we're going to call for the public
[44:48] hearing but we're not going to have it
[44:49] until the second meeting in October yes
[44:53] okay so the second item on the agenda
[44:56] tonight is uh discussion to amend city
[44:58] code chapter 182 um last week we're able
[45:01] to have a special meeting which I
[45:02] thought was very informational and
[45:04] allowed us to have a very detailed
[45:06] conversation uh about the matter so just
[45:09] wanting to snapshot uh what was
[45:11] discussed I broke it down into three
[45:13] areas enforcement law and Council so the
[45:15] enforcement it was identified that noise
[45:17] complaints are a low lower priority
[45:19] calls which delay response times and are
[45:21] restricted to Staffing constraints
[45:24] however there will be future discussions
[45:25] to expand uh to incorporate drones as
[45:28] Force responders pending statutory uh
[45:31] obligations uh areas of focus are going
[45:33] to be communicating noise complaint
[45:34] warnings during ship change uh
[45:36] increasing education to inform offenders
[45:39] of potential fines and a potential
[45:41] permit process uh three seeking Clarity
[45:44] on appearance tickets uh and four
[45:47] granting officers the ability to seize
[45:48] or remove noise reproducing
[45:51] equipment uh the next area which was law
[45:53] identified that plea Agreements are
[45:55] commonly sought out to limit the volum
[45:57] of Trials and increasing uh fee
[46:00] collection and justifying attempts to
[46:02] enforce penalties in full will require
[46:05] or was recommended uh to increase
[46:07] penalties uh to support more frequent
[46:09] Court appearances and then the areas are
[46:12] focused in that area was uh how many
[46:14] fines were collected in 2024 uh what
[46:17] information is needed to charge to file
[46:19] charges or penalties uh advising
[46:22] religious or cultural ceremonies of
[46:23] proper concept or potential permit
[46:25] processes again and then evaluating
[46:28] penalties against
[46:29] installers uh the next area which was
[46:32] the council or think us uh was there
[46:35] appeared to be an equal consensus with
[46:36] raising and keeping penalties at their
[46:38] current level uh the areas of focus um
[46:41] identifying reviewing code and penalties
[46:43] against Vehicles pets construction and
[46:46] Firework noise offenders uh posting
[46:49] signage to monitor noise and parks with
[46:51] non-emergent police numbers and then
[46:54] updating chapter 183 which noise
[46:57] ordinance to raise point value for noise
[47:00] complaints and then overall I just
[47:02] wanted to thank my colleagues the mayor
[47:04] commissioner nine assistant chief
[47:06] antonovich and Miss barash for
[47:07] acknowledging this greater issue or
[47:09] growing issue and placing an important
[47:11] emphasis on educating our community and
[47:14] then in um wanted to just capture
[47:17] everything next steps were to identify
[47:19] chapter 183 uh to review the process for
[47:22] civilian complaints and their needed
[47:24] documentation and a ating the penalty
[47:27] schedule in addition to evaluating a
[47:30] potential permit process moving forward
[47:33] so at this time I want to ask if there
[47:34] are any Ms or any further comments about
[47:37] the event from the
[47:39] colleagues the only thing I you said
[47:41] chapter 183 was a noise when
[47:44] it okay just want thank you for people
[47:47] listening other than that I think that
[47:49] you've captured what we had a and you
[47:52] know if you don't mind we had a we had a
[47:54] a lengthy discussion an hour and a an
[47:56] hour and a half which I think is very
[47:57] beneficial but it just goes to what Mr W
[48:00] was actually saying why it's important
[48:01] that we have those kind of committee
[48:03] meetings outside of um the meeting here
[48:05] so we can really dive in and and have uh
[48:08] other individuals who need to be there
[48:09] to give us information there so thank
[48:11] you for pulling that together absolutely
[48:13] I um I was just wondering um did you
[48:16] mention the discussion that we had and
[48:19] you might have um about how do we get
[48:21] people to change their behavior and be
[48:23] more respectful of their neighbors in
[48:24] terms of that education
[48:27] yeah I wrote that into like the greater
[48:29] like educating our community um but
[48:31] definitely I appreciate um making sure
[48:34] that that is also captured that's a huge
[48:36] part as well Mr yeah Jan just add to
[48:39] that very good detail um description I
[48:43] had ask um Corporation Council to look
[48:46] into legislation in terms of um
[48:48] loudspeaker and the exhaust if we can
[48:50] able to legislate that locally here as a
[48:52] state law but uh or Corporation Council
[48:56] um is looking into that if we can do
[48:58] something local and also drone as a
[49:00] force responder if we need legislation
[49:02] for that if we're going to use the Drone
[49:04] as for responders so that we put some
[49:08] protection to our Police Department
[49:10] whenever that is um used as a for
[49:13] respond and the same thing also to AC
[49:16] you mention forit legislation on and
[49:18] forit application as we move forward to
[49:21] in this
[49:23] section thank you any other questions or
[49:25] comments Mr Patrick I don't I mean I
[49:27] know I uh sent late uh my suggestions
[49:30] based on our meeting on Friday and I
[49:32] didn't know if others did but can we try
[49:35] to I mean I don't know I guess the next
[49:36] step we have to continue this discussion
[49:38] so could we um maybe have if if other
[49:41] council members and and Mr Williams's
[49:43] comments that he just made it would be
[49:45] great to have all those in front of us
[49:47] and to help us prepare for when we do
[49:49] that the next discussion or I would say
[49:51] I took into consideration so these were
[49:53] not all inclusive like my thoughts it
[49:55] was a capture of the event and then what
[49:57] I received so far oh okay
[50:00] okay and then mrb had your hand rais
[50:02] again yeah I'm regarding vehic and
[50:04] traffic while we look under there um
[50:06] there is
[50:08] a currently in the code a section on
[50:12] noisy vehicles um that covers a number
[50:15] of
[50:17] situations um and that uh
[50:21] so these vehicles is it's looking under
[50:25] 1824
[50:27] uh we can also look that look at that in
[50:30] conjunction with anything the vehicle
[50:31] and traffic law that also deals with
[50:33] loud mufflers etc for for violations of
[50:37] the state vehicle and traffic law and
[50:40] regarding the issue as to drones and
[50:42] that one we have to be very careful
[50:45] about that um invasion of privacy Etc um
[50:49] because drones um have to be used in a
[50:52] very circumstan type Manner and
[50:57] um um so that will require research but
[51:05] it's could be peering into areas that
[51:08] you're not supposed to be peering into
[51:10] because it's one thing to have cameras
[51:13] on a in a public way just thing is going
[51:15] into private areas one must be very very
[51:19] careful and uh also technology wise do
[51:22] we have the technology to do that do the
[51:24] officers have the ability to capture
[51:26] sounds off of that and also regarding
[51:30] when they're responding to the scene do
[51:32] their body cameras pick up those types
[51:35] of what as they're approaching the scene
[51:38] is it is it picking up the the the sound
[51:42] in in in realistic terms and whether
[51:45] that can also be downloaded to be used
[51:47] in a at a court seed so those are
[51:50] obviously legal and technical issues
[51:52] that have to be
[51:54] addressed Qui and actually some those a
[51:57] couple the Drone specifically I brought
[51:59] up because I had concerns about what
[52:01] people would be thinking about drones
[52:02] flying over their houses because they're
[52:04] having a party um but uh commissioner
[52:07] Divine was here so we did ask them to
[52:09] concern you know to bring information
[52:11] about whe whether or not that's
[52:13] something that we could do
[52:15] legally um so and you're right it does
[52:18] has have about the noise in the
[52:20] ordinance already but we the um the
[52:22] modified Mufflers was one of the things
[52:24] which is actually in here but uh that
[52:26] was there was that one and there was one
[52:28] other thing about the cars okay well I
[52:30] mean there may be something in the VNT
[52:32] law the vehicle and traffic law that
[52:34] will address that as well so we can we
[52:38] can take a look at that so for the next
[52:40] meeting I think it would be helpful to
[52:42] have that if there's anything within the
[52:44] vehicle and traffic wall to have that
[52:46] information provided for us as well
[52:48] sounds good far just really quick and
[52:52] and you guys might have covered this
[52:53] point I'm just wondering about when we
[52:55] you know respond
[52:57] and timeas O'Brien's point there
[53:00] different you know are all the you know
[53:03] body cans are they all you know equipped
[53:06] to measure whatever sound deciel that
[53:09] we're at right this first cuz right now
[53:11] I know that you know from my
[53:13] understanding it are they shaking their
[53:14] head enough so what they told us at the
[53:17] meeting was there's no there's they
[53:19] don't have any deso meetings right now
[53:21] it's whether you can hear it within 50
[53:23] ft so if you have really good hearing
[53:26] are not so great here uh so that's what
[53:29] um assistant chief right anovich um said
[53:33] that within 50 ft is the guideline right
[53:34] now you can hear it within 50 ft and
[53:36] it's too
[53:39] L concerned
[53:41] about sounds like you guys were
[53:43] addressing some of the um cultural
[53:45] celebrations and things like that I just
[53:47] think since already on I just kind of
[53:49] highlight that make sure that because
[53:52] leading things up to a certain level of
[53:54] discuss cause
[53:57] you can um unintentionally un
[54:00] perpetually you know some biases and
[54:02] again it's a tough thing to talk about
[54:03] but you probably just make sure that
[54:05] that's at the front of our mind have
[54:06] this
[54:07] conversation and then to that point I
[54:09] think just trying to evaluate areas in
[54:11] which the code can be responsive to our
[54:13] changing Society while still being
[54:16] adherent to like emerging technology and
[54:18] its um uh and this impact on people's
[54:21] lives IE the drones um but then also how
[54:24] do we use technology that's coming in um
[54:27] to leverage to really reduce or improve
[54:31] I'd say say quality of life for for
[54:33] residents so I think this wi has a
[54:35] really big emphasis on just people being
[54:38] aware of the impact of their actions um
[54:42] then also understand there's no perfect
[54:43] solution so the thing we kind of started
[54:45] off with was this issue noise is not
[54:48] something that's specific or unique
[54:51] to but I do appreciate how our city is
[54:53] very uh open and acknowledging of these
[54:55] types of issues and seeks to address
[54:57] them head on so I think with
[54:59] conversations continuing I think we'll
[55:01] continue to position ourselves to
[55:03] address this m point so there any other
[55:06] questions or
[55:07] comments yeah just as a followup
[55:09] regarding the vehicle and traffic law uh
[55:12] under 1825 with standards reasonable
[55:15] noise our code incorporates by reference
[55:18] a section of the vehicle and traffic LA
[55:20] will we'll discuss that in detail next
[55:22] time that section so um everybody knows
[55:25] what that that entails um and the uh the
[55:30] uh
[55:32] 1825 mentions that section regarding
[55:34] automobiles but it also goes through a
[55:36] whole list of criteria which is but not
[55:39] limited to so it's it's the whole it's
[55:41] is it's broad dealing with that with
[55:45] that issue it's it's included but not
[55:47] limited to it's a whole different
[55:49] factors the time of the day weather is
[55:51] noise the duration of the noise so um
[55:55] those are all factors that our current
[55:57] ordinance already covers but we will
[55:59] take a look at that and uh report back
[56:02] regarding vehic on traffic
[56:04] law incorporation which is good that
[56:07] that it's already that law is already
[56:09] Incorporated by reference into our our
[56:11] stat our ordinance so that's good
[56:14] andrick is 50 foot um that we discussed
[56:19] instead of the decel the 80 decel
[56:21] reading is that in your it is in your
[56:24] okay it's
[56:28] no I know but um basically it was
[56:30] explained to us that rather than using
[56:32] that they're using the 50
[56:35] 50t measure because it don't want the
[56:38] device right but yeah so not I mean I
[56:43] think we we're going to go to our
[56:44] meeting other meeting and really discuss
[56:46] it more but actually in our in our code
[56:48] it refers to 25
[56:50] ft when uh assistant chief anovich I
[56:53] think he was talking about the vehicle
[56:55] traffic um about another ordinance
[56:58] because in here it says 25 clearly
[57:00] 25 so that's um on page no I got it see
[57:07] that any other questions or comments
[57:10] hearing
[57:11] on so moving on to the last agenda item
[57:14] is the appointment of Anthony Jud to the
[57:16] civilian police review
[57:20] board uh
[57:26] hello um Anthony Jud has shown interest
[57:29] in participating in the civilian police
[57:31] review board his resume was brought
[57:33] forth by deine and Carl brought it forth
[57:37] to the mayor um the mayor did meet with
[57:39] him on Wednesday August 28th and those
[57:42] want to proceive and appointing him to
[57:45] the
[57:47] board yeah so thank you for that so
[57:51] um yes okay so so Mr he probably met him
[57:55] he's been here sever times maybe know it
[57:57] was but one of the two gentlemen that
[57:59] have been coming here to meetings um
[58:01] pretty consistently and uh showed an
[58:04] interest and they actually forwarded
[58:05] their resume and and Miss paler and Mr
[58:09] Williams just trying to make sure I got
[58:10] pushed through the process so there was
[58:12] two of them that actually were
[58:13] interested and so one of them the mayor
[58:16] met with yes and chose um Mr J yes to be
[58:22] there you have questions
[58:24] comments motion second second all those
[58:27] in favor I are there any items to call
[58:29] Public Safety hearing may have motion to
[58:31] adour so move so move second CL in favor
[58:35] I we
[58:37] are I would like to call the finance
[58:39] committee to order on the fourth item is
[58:41] the
[58:42] 2024 2025 final annual action plan
[58:47] allocation Vice Miss
[58:50] car good evening City Council Members
[58:52] I'll bring before you a updated Revis um
[58:57] version of our 2024-25 annual action
[59:00] plan after another review with HUD we
[59:02] had to make some slight adjustments to
[59:04] our plan to make sure that we were
[59:06] aligned with our regulatory caps that we
[59:08] need to adhere to so I listed them out
[59:11] um we had to lessen our home admin by $
[59:17] 7,325 192 we had to increase our Habitat
[59:22] Humanity funding project by $ 7,127
[59:26] 15 Habitat for Humanity home is a Cho
[59:30] and we have to have a minimum of 15% of
[59:33] our allocation go towards Cho and it's
[59:35] the one home project that had room um to
[59:37] still increase and we moov two cdbg
[59:40] projects and recategorize them in our
[59:42] nrsa area which is our neighborhood
[59:44] revitalization strategy area and those
[59:47] include the Empowerment Center and boys
[59:49] and girls club we move them because if
[59:52] they are in the nrsa area they don't
[59:54] have there is no C so it allowed us to
[59:57] continue the funding with the other
[59:59] items under just regular cdbg which has
[1:00:01] a 7.5% um allocation
[1:00:04] cap the ACT today is um for city council
[1:00:07] to accept the new the revised annual
[1:00:10] action plan um with the Amendments
[1:00:14] indicated questions
[1:00:17] comments seeting down may have a motion
[1:00:20] to move this
[1:00:22] forward second all in favor I thank you
[1:00:26] thank you thank you the next item is the
[1:00:29] police department fees and revenue
[1:00:32] proposal assistance
[1:00:35] rle so back in last year when we were
[1:00:38] going over the budget um one of the
[1:00:41] items take away from the budget was um
[1:00:43] looking at our fees some of our fees are
[1:00:46] outdated and this is a step that I have
[1:00:49] taken after the budget into this year to
[1:00:51] kind of look at it and um here we are
[1:00:54] today with the police department
[1:00:56] presenting their fee
[1:00:59] proposal assistant chief it's all yours
[1:01:01] okay thank you very much uh so we're
[1:01:02] going to start off there's believe four
[1:01:04] different areas where I think the fees
[1:01:06] can be increased uh to start
[1:01:10] with we will go to the false alarm fees
[1:01:13] uh right now we'll get into what the
[1:01:16] extra false alarm fees are in the next
[1:01:17] slide but a false alarm is charged after
[1:01:20] four free false alarms within the city
[1:01:22] so if there's basically we go to
[1:01:24] someone's business or the residents four
[1:01:27] different times uh for false alarm for
[1:01:30] faulty wiring or um the failure to
[1:01:34] maintain their alarm system we go there
[1:01:37] four times for free and the fifth one we
[1:01:39] charge $25 the second one we charg 50
[1:01:43] third 75 and 125 Beyond from there so in
[1:01:47] 2022 we took in a total of
[1:01:50] 13,750 and 23 the 36,000 and so far Year
[1:01:53] date we taken in 35,000
[1:01:56] it's section 124 is actually of the city
[1:02:00] code gives us what the persistent false
[1:02:01] alarm actually is um the yellow is what
[1:02:04] I propose as a change um one word goes
[1:02:08] from the two from the four to the two U
[1:02:10] this was last adopted in 1996 as
[1:02:14] well and the penalties for the offense
[1:02:18] are would stay exactly the same uh is
[1:02:21] the the code
[1:02:24] itself uh determines what a persistent
[1:02:26] false alarm actually is so that the
[1:02:30] penalties would stay the same so all in
[1:02:33] all if we move the free alarms from 4
[1:02:36] down to two uh the city could expect
[1:02:38] between 20 to $25,000 a year in
[1:02:39] additional Revenue the reason why as
[1:02:43] it's important that we do this is uh
[1:02:45] people do have the options to get these
[1:02:47] fixed so we're not spending all of our
[1:02:49] time there most these police calls
[1:02:51] involved all of them should by protocol
[1:02:52] have two officers go so sometimes it's
[1:02:54] two cars sometimes it's one car with two
[1:02:56] officers but whenever there's an alarm
[1:02:58] um it's a higher priority call and
[1:03:00] actually it's like the loud music calls
[1:03:02] um it's we take everyone seriously like
[1:03:04] it's a Burg in progress or something
[1:03:06] serious going on so we go lights and
[1:03:09] Sirens there stuff happens um it
[1:03:11] increases the danger for the officers
[1:03:12] and other people in the city so by doing
[1:03:15] this um hopefully it gets people
[1:03:17] motivated to get their alarms fixed and
[1:03:20] also if they don't it will generate more
[1:03:22] revenue for the
[1:03:24] city can we we ask questions during the
[1:03:27] presentation ex up to have I ask
[1:03:31] question as we go for
[1:03:33] slide so go ahead please okay my
[1:03:36] question is my question is um if you
[1:03:38] could just go back to the uh slide where
[1:03:41] it's talking about yeah the
[1:03:43] fees I they're they're low those fees
[1:03:47] are low um I'm don't building on the
[1:03:50] discussion that we had the other evening
[1:03:52] about the noise complaints yes ma um so
[1:03:56] I'm I'm just wondering if other people
[1:03:59] feel like those are really low and
[1:04:00] should be increasing them or thinking
[1:04:02] about increasing them so I will say that
[1:04:04] I dropped the ball on this and on other
[1:04:06] ones I have uh recommendations or
[1:04:09] information from other towns and cities
[1:04:11] this one I did not look up what
[1:04:12] other well we did look at it because
[1:04:15] we're actually dropping the amount of
[1:04:16] free calls from four to two so there
[1:04:18] will be more Revenue in the back end so
[1:04:22] yes we can increase it but at the same
[1:04:23] time we're expanding no I I
[1:04:26] either way we are still getting in
[1:04:27] Revenue additional revenue of um on high
[1:04:31] $25,000 and that's a best estimate okay
[1:04:34] great go ahead so yeah I I would
[1:04:38] agree pck I think that she's referring
[1:04:41] to that that increasing those fees I
[1:04:43] would say increasing the fees as well as
[1:04:46] um you know reducing the amount of
[1:04:48] quotequote food CS I think that um but I
[1:04:51] guess my question is now this includes
[1:04:53] on like fire alarms
[1:04:56] business this is not fire alarms I know
[1:04:57] the fire department is working on
[1:04:58] something else this is just the false
[1:05:00] alarms of Security Alarms okay okay they
[1:05:04] I believe that they are working on
[1:05:05] something as well okay
[1:05:07] good oh sorry how successful are we at
[1:05:11] collecting the fees that we currently
[1:05:12] have and know so I don't have the Law
[1:05:15] Department actually does that for us so
[1:05:16] I don't know I don't know off hand okay
[1:05:19] I don't know you go back to current um
[1:05:21] data this is what we have in previous
[1:05:24] years yeah currently yeah but that
[1:05:27] doesn't tell me how many calls there
[1:05:29] were for the
[1:05:30] income so I can get you that as well our
[1:05:33] Lieutenant on midnights he puts
[1:05:35] everything together and sends out our
[1:05:36] Law Department I believe it is bi-weekly
[1:05:39] and I can have I can figure out how many
[1:05:44] times I guess oh I guess lot the farm
[1:05:46] actually but they but they bill out from
[1:05:48] there so I can follow up with the answer
[1:05:50] to that great so were we looking for a
[1:05:53] list of the calls no not at all so in
[1:05:56] 2022 let's use that for an example we
[1:05:58] know the income is
[1:06:00] 13,750 we do not know what the income
[1:06:03] was generated from how many calls there
[1:06:05] were how many false alarms there were
[1:06:08] because we we just don't know the number
[1:06:09] so how many false alarms it take to
[1:06:11] generate that amount of money in that
[1:06:14] year and and also did every false alarm
[1:06:18] actually get paid did people actually
[1:06:20] pay it after when they were built so
[1:06:23] there may have been like let's say we
[1:06:25] build I don't
[1:06:26] know 100 or something and then did it
[1:06:29] all 100 people pay or did only 75 people
[1:06:32] pay so we don't know that data so it
[1:06:34] would be helpful when we we see the
[1:06:37] income we just don't know what generated
[1:06:38] the
[1:06:39] income when we were going through this
[1:06:41] you had a list of all the
[1:06:43] calls snapshot of some of the calls is
[1:06:45] that you can use that very same report
[1:06:47] to generate um previous years and to see
[1:06:51] um to attach the collection to that yes
[1:06:53] so I should be able to go back I know
[1:06:55] have 24 and 23 I know previously the I
[1:06:59] questioned the um why there's such a
[1:07:03] different number in there and I believe
[1:07:05] it was how we provided data to the live
[1:07:07] department when they actually build them
[1:07:09] out so I think there was a change in
[1:07:11] process along the way but I can look to
[1:07:14] see if I can get a number of how many
[1:07:16] people actually build and how many paid
[1:07:18] I can see if we get a
[1:07:22] Redemption no sorry so I two points
[1:07:26] definitely to miss Patrick's Point I
[1:07:27] would like to see the fees increased cuz
[1:07:29] one of my thoughts is what is the
[1:07:31] opportunity cost or what is the cost of
[1:07:33] the officers responding to that and
[1:07:35] going to another incident throughout the
[1:07:37] city um but I also want to kind of
[1:07:39] caution us at finding that right balance
[1:07:40] SO waiting to see what your um research
[1:07:43] provides because although fees are
[1:07:45] Revenue generating like you go too high
[1:07:47] and then you can kind of zero out that
[1:07:49] line so definitely it does require a bit
[1:07:51] of finesse
[1:07:54] absolutely what whates what is the
[1:07:56] suggestion to
[1:07:58] raise i' would like to see what other I
[1:08:00] don't have I don't have a
[1:08:03] suggestion I just want to say that when
[1:08:06] we consider as we're talking about these
[1:08:07] fees these aren't the only fees we're
[1:08:09] talking
[1:08:10] about I want to make sure that you know
[1:08:12] we just aren't like feing people piure
[1:08:15] yes we have to definitely look at the
[1:08:17] big
[1:08:18] picture so we can come back to this way
[1:08:21] in terms of the
[1:08:23] feed the next one is a much smaller one
[1:08:26] it's a records
[1:08:28] fee we currently charge $20 for somebody
[1:08:32] who asked for a letter of Good Conduct
[1:08:35] or a uh letter for criminal history to
[1:08:38] show that they are they don't have a
[1:08:40] criminal history um some people want to
[1:08:43] provide it to businesses or landlords
[1:08:46] that I'm being told we only you about 50
[1:08:48] of these a year it's not a very common
[1:08:51] thing um I believe it was 2000 was the
[1:08:54] last time you looked at and it was $20
[1:08:56] back then so um I suggested a $40 fee to
[1:09:00] that unit would raise ,000 $2,000
[1:09:04] depending on how many
[1:09:06] um employers we get for the year but
[1:09:09] that is
[1:09:12] a go ahead please um so for so for
[1:09:17] number three when you're ask talking
[1:09:18] about the U arrest files Etc how far are
[1:09:21] you looking I mean we just looking at
[1:09:23] Connected are we looking in New York
[1:09:25] State I don't have that answer I will I
[1:09:27] can look for you I believe that is a all
[1:09:31] of all state I believe I believe that's
[1:09:33] all New York state but all New York
[1:09:35] State I believe so I could get an answer
[1:09:37] for that from our records and the other
[1:09:40] second part of that you say it says free
[1:09:42] to authorize agencies uh what
[1:09:44] constitutes an authorized agency and why
[1:09:47] aren't they pay paying
[1:09:49] for as well as an individual I believe
[1:09:52] that's like another Police Department or
[1:09:54] a establishes fees only for the police
[1:09:57] department so I believe that would be
[1:09:59] for uh FBI New York State Police they'll
[1:10:03] send us records back and forth and I
[1:10:05] believe that's was put in there to limit
[1:10:07] that but I I don't have the official so
[1:10:11] just if you so to expand on that just
[1:10:13] like say for instance you want to hire
[1:10:15] somebody and you can you get this
[1:10:17] information as well can I ask the police
[1:10:19] department for that if I'm interested in
[1:10:20] hiring someone no if I want to well if
[1:10:22] we're going to hire somebody then we
[1:10:23] have to F bre you want somebody else
[1:10:25] have to sign off on it and he would have
[1:10:27] to authorize you to get it okay and
[1:10:29] provide a letter we we can't do it
[1:10:31] without that person's authorization in
[1:10:33] that case let say I'm willing I want
[1:10:35] this job I'm going to sign it would you
[1:10:37] then um charge the agency or
[1:10:39] organization that's going to hire for
[1:10:42] that record so we've never done that
[1:10:43] before I don't know if we can do that
[1:10:45] but um I've never seen that happen
[1:10:47] before this is usually I guess for when
[1:10:49] people travel also when they apply for
[1:10:51] pieces they need one of these um it's a
[1:10:53] letter that the records does a
[1:10:54] background check they submit a letter
[1:10:57] the chief has to sign off on it and say
[1:10:59] that what the records
[1:11:01] are oh obiously okay but I have a vis I
[1:11:05] don't know I I I didn't know that people
[1:11:08] needed that kind of stuff okay I guess
[1:11:09] it possibly depending where you're
[1:11:10] traveling too
[1:11:15] okay that's it for this
[1:11:19] section the next one goes into the
[1:11:21] parking finds this is a bigger one uh
[1:11:25] New York State set some limits to some
[1:11:28] parking fines or some fees to city
[1:11:30] council you U you guys set many more and
[1:11:35] next this right here is a summary of the
[1:11:38] top 10 items that can be changed and
[1:11:43] they're all that had over 112 or over
[1:11:45] 100 issued within the last year so we
[1:11:48] did a rolling 12 Monon average uh and I
[1:11:52] looked at Troy Albany and a little bit
[1:11:55] more information on that as well but
[1:11:57] currently right now most of the fees are
[1:11:59] set is
[1:12:02] $35 and I believe that the city last
[1:12:06] looked at
[1:12:08] them I think they looked in 2011
[1:12:11] possibly is the last time I see an
[1:12:12] ordinance change I don't know if
[1:12:13] something was added if the fees were
[1:12:15] changed at that time but there's a lot
[1:12:17] of them were
[1:12:18] $35 Troy re uh did theirs in
[1:12:22] 2016 where they increased a lot of them
[1:12:24] to around
[1:12:25] $50 they also adopted something that
[1:12:28] went from uh it doubled after 2 weeks
[1:12:31] where right now currently we have a
[1:12:32] doubling after 20 days and they tripled
[1:12:34] it after 60 days in 2016 Albany has not
[1:12:39] looked at theirs in over 20 years um so
[1:12:44] they're they're are lower than what
[1:12:47] we're proposing but the last time in the
[1:12:50] order updated it was at minimum 13 years
[1:12:52] ago but probably longer longer than that
[1:12:54] so I put in there the last 12 months how
[1:12:57] many of each of those tickets were
[1:12:59] issued by our parking department or some
[1:13:01] of times our officers and what it would
[1:13:04] mean if we were to increase it in the
[1:13:05] yellow be the suggested increase and the
[1:13:08] blue is what the overall find would be
[1:13:11] in the end and the last column is the
[1:13:14] impact of what kind of Revenue we
[1:13:15] generated if everything stay constant
[1:13:17] over the next 12 months for the top then
[1:13:20] there's six or seven others that have
[1:13:23] under 100 um that we would look at as
[1:13:25] well but those are the the top 10 fig
[1:13:28] I'd start
[1:13:32] there and those that are we can increase
[1:13:34] the others we can out because these ones
[1:13:37] are you can you can increase all these
[1:13:39] regulation yeah there the max allowed
[1:13:42] column is where New York State BNT
[1:13:44] determines what the maximum you can
[1:13:45] charge is for different items that we'll
[1:13:48] be able to find um the fire hydrant
[1:13:50] actually could not find anything that
[1:13:52] says what the maximum was but New York
[1:13:55] City does $115 that's why I know we can
[1:13:58] go at least to
[1:14:00] 115 yes go ahead please uh I just wanted
[1:14:03] to say like I appreciate it the
[1:14:04] breakdown gave a lot of context and I
[1:14:07] would say as one of the first
[1:14:09] presentations regarding F Cris um I
[1:14:11] appreciate your responsiveness to the
[1:14:13] issue and then I would say snapshotting
[1:14:15] this and using this as a template uh cuz
[1:14:18] definitely U I wouldn't call out other
[1:14:20] municipalities but it helps us
[1:14:23] understand just where we gauge in the
[1:14:24] exactly that's why it was done yet
[1:14:28] yeah any other question on this slide
[1:14:31] all right now I'm just just to kind of
[1:14:33] reference the impact if we had this Fe
[1:14:35] at the beginning of this year we would
[1:14:37] have seen an impact of
[1:14:40] 242,000 yes sir in 12 months rolling so
[1:14:42] six months or 9 months of this year 3
[1:14:44] months of last year yes so it's a
[1:14:46] significant um Revenue um increase their
[1:14:50] for Police Department go ahead please so
[1:14:53] I I don't know that this is exactly I
[1:14:55] just know that they're close related and
[1:14:56] again I think it's wor to mention it
[1:14:58] it's just especially when we're talking
[1:14:59] about parking tickets um there are you
[1:15:02] know there's studies National studies
[1:15:04] and I haven't you know we haven't looked
[1:15:05] at our I haven't looked at our city data
[1:15:07] but you just have to be mindful about
[1:15:09] like what type of fees we increase
[1:15:12] because we can unintentionally um impact
[1:15:17] uh certain marginalized communi based on
[1:15:20] the way that the
[1:15:22] um their ability to parve is the base
[1:15:25] that um you know some neighborhoods have
[1:15:28] you know more driveways some there's
[1:15:31] there's there's different contributing
[1:15:33] factors to how we can unintentionally
[1:15:36] impact certain communities more than
[1:15:38] others so I just want to highlight that
[1:15:40] I just think that is something that we
[1:15:41] should be mindful that and we're if
[1:15:42] we're just looking to increase the Fe it
[1:15:44] looks like we definitely should be doing
[1:15:46] in some areas
[1:15:48] that just increasing the fees you know
[1:15:51] there's a greater it can be a greater
[1:15:53] impact to the larg community
[1:15:57] you
[1:16:00] yes go ahead please m i I brought that
[1:16:03] up the other day when we were talking
[1:16:04] about the noise violations um because
[1:16:06] the fee increases are suggested are
[1:16:09] quite High um and it was pointed out to
[1:16:12] me that again we're I I forget the exact
[1:16:16] language but that we're trying to get
[1:16:19] people to change their behavior and so
[1:16:21] you
[1:16:22] know we might have to increase Feast to
[1:16:25] a certain extent because I don't want
[1:16:28] use the word punitive but you know we
[1:16:30] are trying to to be punitive um we are
[1:16:33] hoping that people I I don't want to put
[1:16:35] words but you guys were were very good
[1:16:38] in the way that you responded to me
[1:16:39] about that the other day um I was
[1:16:42] talking about you know poor kinds of
[1:16:45] populations um but I got that I thought
[1:16:48] I thought that was a good response to my
[1:16:50] to my query I I think the whole Drive is
[1:16:54] to this effective January 1st so we have
[1:16:57] a we have a couple months to to do an
[1:16:59] educational um Outreach behavioral we
[1:17:02] talked about last week at the public
[1:17:05] safety meeting to kind of edicate people
[1:17:07] that this is this is going to happen so
[1:17:08] we're not going to like pass it next
[1:17:10] week and then inforce of the calling
[1:17:11] week January
[1:17:13] 1st so so um
[1:17:16] I first I'll speak to what you just
[1:17:19] talked about the difference in this is
[1:17:21] that you have a choice over how loud
[1:17:23] you're going to play your music that's a
[1:17:24] decision that you make however if
[1:17:26] there's limited parking on your street
[1:17:28] then you can only work within those
[1:17:29] parameters so I don't know that they're
[1:17:32] necessarily things that we can equally
[1:17:34] um compare because I want to have a loud
[1:17:36] party I'm going to turn it up whether
[1:17:38] you like it or not but if there's
[1:17:39] limited parking then I'm I'm you know I
[1:17:42] have to work within those parameters so
[1:17:44] I'm not sure if that's that's a
[1:17:46] comparison that um that I would really
[1:17:47] make in terms of um people's ability to
[1:17:51] pay um because you made a decision or
[1:17:54] you don't really have have any place
[1:17:55] else to park so um there's that the
[1:17:57] other thing I wanted to know and will
[1:18:00] this impact it and should we take a look
[1:18:01] at it some of our parking signs are a
[1:18:04] little bit outdated and they were put up
[1:18:07] when people were working at GE and they
[1:18:09] worked these interesting hours and so
[1:18:11] you couldn't park at a certain time on
[1:18:13] one side of the street versus the other
[1:18:14] side of the street so if we're talking
[1:18:16] about um changing um the fees for
[1:18:19] parking sh we also be looking to make
[1:18:20] sure that how we currently have our
[1:18:22] signage makes sense for how people work
[1:18:25] today I think that's something we should
[1:18:27] um cuz now some people have alternate
[1:18:29] parking they don't even pay attention to
[1:18:31] it I see parking on both sides of Street
[1:18:33] on a regular basis because the signs
[1:18:35] just really don't make sense cuz people
[1:18:38] don't work like they did with those
[1:18:39] hours when GE was like the main employer
[1:18:42] in the city of SK so I think we would
[1:18:44] have to take that I know that that's
[1:18:46] going to take a lot because we have to
[1:18:47] pay for signs do a study do all of those
[1:18:50] things however those are things that we
[1:18:51] should all also be taking a look at well
[1:18:55] well not only people who don't um who
[1:18:57] work some people who don't work doesn't
[1:18:58] even go they move their car so it's it's
[1:19:01] a two-way you know into that people just
[1:19:03] need to comply you know just like the
[1:19:06] noise new people playing loud music
[1:19:08] we're going to increase the fear you
[1:19:10] come into compliance if not you're going
[1:19:11] to have to pay the violation same thing
[1:19:13] we need you know to clean up the street
[1:19:15] and get people to comply with regulation
[1:19:18] you park on the wrong side you're going
[1:19:20] to get ticket they're parking they're
[1:19:22] parking all over the place but there's a
[1:19:24] parking makes sense so that's we have to
[1:19:25] take the look it makes sense for how we
[1:19:27] live now yeah what we'll need to do is
[1:19:28] to make sure that we have updated signs
[1:19:31] across the city if we're going to
[1:19:32] enforce this signs need to be placed
[1:19:33] across updated sign new signs and put
[1:19:36] that in place so people are aware that
[1:19:38] parking on either side is within a given
[1:19:41] the
[1:19:42] violation go ahead please so I
[1:19:45] appreciate president P for that
[1:19:47] distinction cuz you know definitely one
[1:19:50] is more I think that when you're talking
[1:19:52] about parking fees and and the reason
[1:19:54] why they have these these National
[1:19:56] studies is because
[1:19:58] um unintentionally I would say in some
[1:20:01] places and certainly by Design in other
[1:20:04] places um you start
[1:20:07] to uh kind of take advantage of the most
[1:20:11] marginalized people in your community
[1:20:13] and and start to increase feeds based
[1:20:15] off them based on the fact that there is
[1:20:18] um and not not just the case of of
[1:20:22] limited uh parking but there's also
[1:20:25] the enforcement strategies which is more
[1:20:27] you know would be more up to the police
[1:20:30] department as well to kind of consider
[1:20:31] those things as just we have to keep
[1:20:33] that in front of our in front of our
[1:20:35] mind CU if not we can have these really
[1:20:36] good policies that make a lot of sense
[1:20:38] increase our Revenue um but we could be
[1:20:41] doing it off the backs of our most
[1:20:42] vulnerable population in the city now we
[1:20:44] just always have to ask ourselves to
[1:20:45] right questions we doing any of these
[1:20:47] things right because if
[1:20:49] it if it if we're increasing the fee and
[1:20:52] we're going to you know bring in another
[1:20:55] $200,000 but 80 to 90% of that
[1:20:58] $200,000 is coming from you know you
[1:21:02] know two or three neighborhoods that
[1:21:04] just happen to be the uh neighborhoods
[1:21:06] that the design is far more likely for
[1:21:09] someone to be out of compliance with the
[1:21:11] with the department and that's something
[1:21:12] that you just have to that's you don't
[1:21:15] have the data for that you have the
[1:21:17] data so so what I what I was saying same
[1:21:19] question so what what I said uh in the
[1:21:22] beginning of of what my statement was I
[1:21:25] was referring to more to Nationals
[1:21:27] Trends and the first thing I said was I
[1:21:28] haven't looked at the data within our
[1:21:30] city there something to be mindful of
[1:21:32] and pay attention because if we increase
[1:21:33] this without looking at the data we can
[1:21:35] unintentionally perpetuate that outcome
[1:21:37] so it so we would so I wasn't making a
[1:21:39] statement that What's happen you I'm
[1:21:40] saying if we're changing something then
[1:21:42] we need to be mindful of that or won't
[1:21:44] be being
[1:21:45] ACC clear well we have to we have to
[1:21:47] make sure that we encourage the police
[1:21:49] to do across the board and no no
[1:21:51] Community or no neighborhood should be
[1:21:53] targeted but
[1:21:55] apply it across the entire city when
[1:21:57] they're doing enforcement or when
[1:21:59] they're applying
[1:22:03] tickets well I was just going to say I
[1:22:05] mean you guys probably have data my
[1:22:07] neighborhood um in terms of breakdown of
[1:22:10] these tickets so I've never seen it but
[1:22:12] I'm going ask Adam do you know is that
[1:22:15] possible through the the software y okay
[1:22:19] so it is it's possible for us to see
[1:22:21] that
[1:22:22] so has got tickets so can you can you um
[1:22:26] make a note and provide that to the
[1:22:27] council
[1:22:31] please so looking for a breakdown of
[1:22:35] tickets per is it Go by zone or do it Go
[1:22:37] by area where you think it goes
[1:22:40] by no it's not a Zone like we consider
[1:22:44] the neighborhood Zone it might be a Zone
[1:22:46] but there's no correlation between that
[1:22:48] zone in in our system compared to what
[1:22:52] there is uh in the city
[1:22:55] um you know we enforce where the signs
[1:22:57] are available so so so to the point of
[1:23:00] you know where do we enforce we we
[1:23:02] enforce where we can enforce uh there
[1:23:04] are neighborhoods um that there is no
[1:23:07] signage but it makes sense because some
[1:23:10] of the streets are wider uh the the
[1:23:13] neighbor of the uh driveways are longer
[1:23:16] so a lot of this uh enforcement is is
[1:23:19] not
[1:23:20] necessarily Revenue generator but it's
[1:23:23] it's a it's a safety aspect too you have
[1:23:25] neighborhoods that have narrow streets
[1:23:27] and you have bothside parking you can't
[1:23:30] get emergency Personnel down there um
[1:23:33] and often times the signs indicate the
[1:23:35] season right so there's more
[1:23:38] prohibitions during certain seasons for
[1:23:40] the obvious reasons of snowfall some
[1:23:42] some of the ones that I know that are
[1:23:44] kind of different there'll be no
[1:23:46] parkings aside from 1:00 a.m. to 6 a.m.
[1:23:49] the reason is because the street street
[1:23:51] sweepers would come down can you just
[1:23:54] come on
[1:23:55] I thought oh yeah that's the camera is
[1:23:57] focusing yeah we he turn to you but yeah
[1:24:00] you're providing a lot of information U
[1:24:02] so some of the some of the signs that we
[1:24:05] might not have a comprehensive
[1:24:07] understanding to at least that face
[1:24:08] value do serve a legitimate purpose the
[1:24:10] example I was saying before is no
[1:24:12] standing this side 1:00 a.m. to 6:00
[1:24:14] a.m. uh you know you think what is that
[1:24:16] about but but it's uh it's for street
[1:24:19] street sweeping so obviously it just
[1:24:21] makes more sense to have that um
[1:24:24] but that's it you know again we we we
[1:24:26] ticket where we can and enforce where we
[1:24:28] can and um I don't know why they decided
[1:24:32] to put things in certain areas uh you
[1:24:35] know maybe it's a for a broader
[1:24:37] discussion you know can we use more
[1:24:39] enforcement can can you know we have
[1:24:41] more or less restrictions to your point
[1:24:43] I don't know you know that's I don't
[1:24:47] know go ahead please I think that some I
[1:24:50] mean I you know I mean I think about
[1:24:52] some of the streets um like brandy wine
[1:24:55] or you know mcen I
[1:24:57] mean the parking is crazy and it's
[1:25:00] really difficult so I think related to
[1:25:01] the previous discussion about traffic
[1:25:04] control and and speeding I mean I think
[1:25:06] some of those things have must come into
[1:25:08] the into consideration as well in terms
[1:25:11] of where the signage is and I I can
[1:25:13] think you know just driving around the
[1:25:15] city and having to park in a lot of
[1:25:17] different areas um where it might be
[1:25:19] time in a lot of areas it's alternate
[1:25:22] side based on the days of the week
[1:25:24] Monday Wednesday Friday versus you know
[1:25:26] Tuesday Thursday Saturday um it's you
[1:25:29] know I'm I would think that maybe it has
[1:25:32] to do with traffic um what's the word
[1:25:34] I'm uh
[1:25:37] call the number the numbers of cars the
[1:25:40] congestion congestion on the streets as
[1:25:42] well um so there is that the uh parking
[1:25:45] enforcement officers drive around
[1:25:47] obviously they um they have different
[1:25:49] zones that they all go to and they
[1:25:50] switch them up daily or regularly and
[1:25:52] also during the day if somebody calls
[1:25:53] him with a parking complaint during the
[1:25:55] day they're dispatched automatically so
[1:25:57] if somebody calls in and says that
[1:25:58] there's a parking multiple cars here uh
[1:26:01] we had four civilians now we're down to
[1:26:03] two so we're hopefully get they back up
[1:26:05] um they will drive around and they'll go
[1:26:08] right there and issue the ticket right
[1:26:09] then and there so that's besides their
[1:26:12] normal Patrol they they do respond to
[1:26:14] the areas people call and complain dur
[1:26:16] the
[1:26:18] day go ahead quick question so um I I
[1:26:21] imagine it's definitely Chief Clifford's
[1:26:23] call Will we be be able to if if
[1:26:25] interested Shadow around that
[1:26:28] perspective job like the ticketing oh
[1:26:30] absolutely yeah absolutely y got right
[1:26:33] now they're working you know days Monday
[1:26:35] through Friday and uh if there's
[1:26:37] somebody's interested absolutely say
[1:26:40] ride a
[1:26:41] bike yeah just C they ride a bike some
[1:26:46] of do so we have the one off mainly
[1:26:48] rides the bike downtown and they're also
[1:26:50] in a car that's Park parking enforcement
[1:26:52] as well how I can use the electric bike
[1:26:55] yeah AB we actually have an electric bik
[1:26:57] for parking for we do so are you saying
[1:26:59] that we can get a breakdown um by labor
[1:27:02] I supect yeah I don't think
[1:27:05] there's uh the only thing that may be
[1:27:08] labor intensive is depending on how I I
[1:27:10] may have to run we may have to run data
[1:27:13] by street right instead of just my
[1:27:16] neighborhood but I'm sure exist yeah if
[1:27:20] we want that how far back do we want to
[1:27:21] go I will say 6 months okay yeah because
[1:27:25] it's going to take a lot of time going
[1:27:26] to be taking up to do that 6 months 3
[1:27:28] months I think I think do a
[1:27:33] year be a lot of work entire year with
[1:27:36] 6,000 we want to use the same data set
[1:27:39] that we're using for projections you
[1:27:42] want to do the
[1:27:43] same this is 831 23 to 991 of 24 with
[1:27:48] that data Let's do let's do this the
[1:27:50] same report here this is one we can move
[1:27:52] forward ready go ahead please so just
[1:27:55] because it's important that we have
[1:27:56] Clarity around these issues I think that
[1:27:58] like so um and I appreciate like I don't
[1:28:00] know exactly why they you know put signs
[1:28:02] in places and I'm sure that well I I
[1:28:05] would give the benefit of the doubt to
[1:28:07] say that when some of these signs and
[1:28:09] regulations um were put in place that
[1:28:11] they were done so in good faith I um I
[1:28:14] definitely would assume that um our Law
[1:28:16] Enforcement Officers act in good faith
[1:28:18] when is issuing you know tickets uh so
[1:28:21] on and so forth um so that that idea is
[1:28:25] not an opposition to us um kind of
[1:28:29] looking at the impact of what we're of
[1:28:33] of what that enforcement looks like and
[1:28:36] just to be aware of how these things can
[1:28:40] perpetuate certain inequities throughout
[1:28:43] society and and and we're not
[1:28:45] disconnected we're not you know
[1:28:48] and that that includes us so again so
[1:28:50] the point I'm making is that there's no
[1:28:53] um
[1:28:55] intention around I'm not assigning any
[1:28:58] any intention to this but what I'm
[1:29:00] saying is that if we're not intentional
[1:29:02] about taking those measurements and kind
[1:29:05] of really asking ourselves the hard
[1:29:06] questions that no one likes to talk
[1:29:07] about but me a lot of time in PR life
[1:29:09] then we end up you know perpetuating
[1:29:11] something so just want to be really
[1:29:13] clear about that but I appreciate you
[1:29:14] work continuing through and the
[1:29:15] transparency thank any other question on
[1:29:17] this
[1:29:22] SL the next next one is some of our
[1:29:25] annual control fees well some of these
[1:29:27] are not through the police department
[1:29:30] it's through the clerk's office but it's
[1:29:31] we work very closely together in these
[1:29:33] so I'm including them in here in the
[1:29:35] presentation currently right now the
[1:29:37] city is charging
[1:29:40] $20.50 for a a dog license if they're
[1:29:43] altered 1350 if they're unaltered and
[1:29:46] then it goes down if you're a Senor or
[1:29:49] um older the surrounding towns and City
[1:29:55] we had Nuna is $20 for $30 Albany was 16
[1:29:59] and 23 and then Troy is 15 and
[1:30:02] 20 the r section is 114 and it's a
[1:30:08] little complicated as far as there's
[1:30:09] multiple layers multiple things that go
[1:30:11] into what the dog license fee is so I
[1:30:14] have it broken down here crossed out the
[1:30:17] dollar value and put the the new dollar
[1:30:19] value that's recommended in here the
[1:30:21] next slide will show you kind of what
[1:30:22] the bottom line is that just makes sense
[1:30:25] so that the the new fee recommendation
[1:30:29] would be uh $7.50 increase on the
[1:30:33] altered $750 cents on the unaltered and
[1:30:36] then $3 250 for the uh senior citizens
[1:30:41] and this would increase the revenue
[1:30:43] between $8 $10,000 per year it depends
[1:30:46] on if somebody order or pays for a one
[1:30:48] year twoyear or multi-year license so it
[1:30:51] could fluctuate a little bit but
[1:30:56] so Miss Michael this align with your C
[1:30:58] for service it does it does
[1:31:02] yes so who gets those fees with where is
[1:31:05] the
[1:31:06] actual City it goes to the Clark's
[1:31:09] office is that correct it gets deposit
[1:31:13] into the general fund well you take in
[1:31:16] your office take in we take it in yes
[1:31:18] get positive to the general
[1:31:21] one goad see special amount of anim
[1:31:25] licenses would
[1:31:26] not go to or shouldn't not go to
[1:31:30] the of the police du to like the forcing
[1:31:34] that that the way how it's written is
[1:31:38] like directed to the cl's office but
[1:31:40] it's kind of like enforced by the police
[1:31:44] department Sam you can you can explain
[1:31:46] more about how the enforcement started
[1:31:49] oh have yeah the Animal Control Officers
[1:31:52] when they do go out or they
[1:31:55] unlicensed animal you know the the uh
[1:31:59] dog is then taken to mov Hudson main
[1:32:02] society there's a Redemption fee
[1:32:04] involved and also then they have to
[1:32:06] license their their
[1:32:09] pet that's the police
[1:32:12] component but the the they come to your
[1:32:15] office to do the licing to my office to
[1:32:16] do all
[1:32:18] that I believe that's like different all
[1:32:21] talented things that I saw went to the
[1:32:23] clerk's office
[1:32:24] for the
[1:32:26] Fe
[1:32:28] Drive uh just a question mran I
[1:32:32] appreciate your uh background also I
[1:32:34] needed could we discuss potentially
[1:32:37] expanding the senior citizen category to
[1:32:39] include like medically cified positions
[1:32:41] in which someone needs a service animal
[1:32:43] and then also potentially like service
[1:32:44] members where like it's Improvement to
[1:32:47] like assist in their integration back
[1:32:49] into society I think that's already in
[1:32:52] code that those areas are already
[1:32:54] exempt I'm looking ahead at the next
[1:32:57] slide and I'm I'm wondering about the
[1:33:00] exemptions that are being taken away so
[1:33:04] so there it's it is in the code I was
[1:33:06] looking to remove it actually yeah
[1:33:08] they're removing it that that's it's
[1:33:11] it's already in the code right now aen
[1:33:13] Market's law says that a m municipality
[1:33:16] May exempt an animal but then uh the
[1:33:20] American Disability Act has changed it
[1:33:24] so you cannot ask for documentation you
[1:33:26] can only ask two questions and we're
[1:33:28] getting customers coming in um refusing
[1:33:31] to provide answers provide
[1:33:35] documentation um just making it so much
[1:33:38] more
[1:33:40] difficult the the Americans with
[1:33:41] Disabilities acts have very limited uh
[1:33:45] regulations as as as the city clerk has
[1:33:47] pointed out what sort of questions you
[1:33:50] can ask and they're very limited in
[1:33:52] scope two for the for the federal RS so
[1:33:58] um it's it's what what the council wants
[1:34:01] to do whether they want to you know what
[1:34:03] I'm seeing up there is five is being
[1:34:05] deleted it's what that's a poliy
[1:34:07] decision for you all to make that policy
[1:34:10] decision if you want to
[1:34:12] uh continue with the exemptions or or or
[1:34:16] not s what is your
[1:34:19] recommendation my recommendation was
[1:34:21] removing reming our our ordinance covers
[1:34:26] every like service animal therapy animal
[1:34:28] everything like everything um but one we
[1:34:33] don't need to under Aon markets and two
[1:34:35] under Ada they say service
[1:34:39] animals and there's a differentiation
[1:34:41] between service and therapy but we we
[1:34:43] can't really differentiate based on the
[1:34:45] two
[1:34:47] questions go ahead please I I feel that
[1:34:51] servicing I I I like the exemption um
[1:34:55] for Veterans for service for service
[1:34:58] animals um therapy
[1:35:01] dogs well obviously the detection I mean
[1:35:05] those wouldn't be charged what's that it
[1:35:07] says detection so that must be like a
[1:35:09] police animal that's looking for drugs
[1:35:11] or something like that I mean I don't
[1:35:12] know why we wouldn't exemp that that's
[1:35:14] like an employee of the city practically
[1:35:17] um right I mean yes so if they lived in
[1:35:19] a city yes if there was a city employee
[1:35:21] that had the Poli like they would have
[1:35:23] to
[1:35:25] the pay the pay the $40 or the
[1:35:27] $28 we haven't had one in year is that
[1:35:31] in the city because the uh the animal
[1:35:34] with the police department stay with
[1:35:37] whoever the train is right right so they
[1:35:40] going to say you I know I get that
[1:35:44] but I just think those animals should be
[1:35:46] exempt remain ex from what I got from
[1:35:50] Miss mik who it wasn't like any bias it
[1:35:51] was just an inability to evalate with so
[1:35:54] that's causing administrative burden
[1:35:56] then I can be responsive to her office's
[1:36:00] needs as an alternative I believe there
[1:36:03] are funds available um to adult worth
[1:36:06] with to get funds for people who
[1:36:07] couldn't pay the convey the fee so if
[1:36:10] there was a hardship I don't know how
[1:36:12] many exemptions or on the sheets that I
[1:36:13] saw I think there was only like six or
[1:36:15] seven at for certain amount of months I
[1:36:18] looked at the data so if there was if
[1:36:20] those people couldn't for if he did
[1:36:21] decide to get rid of it and there was
[1:36:23] needed there are funds available for
[1:36:25] them to pay for so it doesn't stop you
[1:36:29] from giving exemption you still have the
[1:36:32] authority to give
[1:36:34] exemption if we remove it it you're
[1:36:36] removing it then the exemption done
[1:36:38] exemption
[1:36:39] right
[1:36:42] yeah I will say let's let's put this on
[1:36:45] hold and and go through the the process
[1:36:47] of the public hearing then we can say
[1:36:49] because the consant table is like we
[1:36:50] should keep that and I I think we should
[1:36:55] we should keep it the
[1:36:57] exemption unless we Define it a little
[1:37:00] bit as so what what is examp I I think
[1:37:04] if the clerk saying elmate and I say
[1:37:06] like making my position known hearing
[1:37:07] her response and there's a pot of money
[1:37:09] that this might can direct those
[1:37:11] individuals to I think it captures it
[1:37:12] it's a win okay all
[1:37:15] right but we do we need to put the
[1:37:19] legislation well it all depends I me if
[1:37:22] if okay we'll well you know if I can yes
[1:37:25] go we've been talking about parking fees
[1:37:28] and now dog fees so the go requirment
[1:37:31] inst to the city code also require
[1:37:33] public hearings regarding these two
[1:37:35] public hearings I would recommend since
[1:37:37] they're they're generating money for the
[1:37:40] city which will have an impact on the
[1:37:42] budget perhaps you would want to do
[1:37:44] these hearings at the same night you're
[1:37:46] doing a budget you don't have to but
[1:37:50] it's it's it's dealing with Revenue
[1:37:52] items that as you go through the rest of
[1:37:55] October you
[1:37:56] may use as you're making your
[1:37:59] projections and you're creating your
[1:38:01] budget and then after you have that
[1:38:04] public hearing then you have the budget
[1:38:07] being adopted and then you have the
[1:38:09] ordinances that need to be changed to
[1:38:11] conform with the amounts of fees that
[1:38:13] you increase this way it's all one one
[1:38:16] pro I'm just it's I'm just throwing that
[1:38:18] out for for for you all to consider that
[1:38:21] you would have the public hearing on
[1:38:22] that same because it's dealing with fees
[1:38:24] which will as you saw will have an
[1:38:27] impact on on the budget so that way it's
[1:38:30] in total and then the budget is dealt
[1:38:33] with and then uh depending on how you
[1:38:36] work on the budget you can amend the
[1:38:37] ordinance to conform with the budget so
[1:38:40] do we need two public hearings you would
[1:38:42] need two public hearings the reason
[1:38:43] being is because you're dealing sorry
[1:38:46] there's five I think for if you were go
[1:38:48] through change everything you want I
[1:38:50] think cuz I think they weren't quite
[1:38:52] certain about I'm I I think about what I
[1:38:55] think they weren't you weren't quite
[1:38:56] certain about the first part of the
[1:38:58] heing uh first part I'm just focusing on
[1:39:01] the uh the
[1:39:04] uh parking and now the dog dog parking
[1:39:09] it's not parking only we're all feast
[1:39:12] and then uh I think I think if for alarm
[1:39:15] fees I think you need more information
[1:39:17] regarding the false alarm Fe so I don't
[1:39:19] know if that's ready for a public
[1:39:20] hearing yet you may need to
[1:39:23] whether that's going to have a
[1:39:25] significant amount of Revenue I don't
[1:39:27] know but I mean you can
[1:39:30] always you can call for public hearings
[1:39:32] on all those items and then deal with
[1:39:35] that before the next your next committee
[1:39:38] cycle and then you know Mark everything
[1:39:41] up and then it will be ready for the
[1:39:42] public hearing and then you would have a
[1:39:44] draft
[1:39:46] ordinance I
[1:39:48] I hearing going on the same night for
[1:39:51] the every for the uh
[1:39:54] five public hearings oh there was the
[1:39:57] The False Alarm fees if you were to
[1:40:00] increase FAL alarm if you were if you
[1:40:02] were going to change what the uh false
[1:40:04] alarm definition was and if you're going
[1:40:07] to change the false alarm fees structure
[1:40:10] and then there was the parking findes
[1:40:12] the
[1:40:15] records and then the
[1:40:19] control oh the records also okay
[1:40:25] any that's the last slide no uh two more
[1:40:28] quick ones um so Mr M I want to make my
[1:40:30] point about exemptions I'm I'm in
[1:40:32] agreement with Miss um M Mike that they
[1:40:34] should be taken away because right now
[1:40:36] people don't have to answer any
[1:40:37] questions no that's okay yeah I'm fine
[1:40:40] with that I was thinking about you know
[1:40:42] but then there there's a part of money
[1:40:44] that can be used to help individual and
[1:40:47] those situation I'm and so so we're
[1:40:51] talking about five public hearings on
[1:40:53] night just be C night so five plus what
[1:40:57] you may want to do is the bigger items
[1:40:59] are the dog license fees and the parking
[1:41:02] fees the parking fees that you saw would
[1:41:04] generate a lot of Revenue if those fees
[1:41:06] were to go through so perhaps you just
[1:41:09] have the parking fees on the same night
[1:41:11] as the uh as the uh the budget heing
[1:41:15] because that's probably the most
[1:41:16] significant amount of money that I've
[1:41:19] saw I I recommend that you do all at the
[1:41:21] same time and get it over with I mean
[1:41:24] small they small public heing maybe
[1:41:26] you few people yeah my my bigger concern
[1:41:30] is like people know what they're going
[1:41:31] to be about there so many yeah cuz it
[1:41:33] can that's a lot that's a
[1:41:36] lot what does the next slide tell us
[1:41:39] what the total amount of money is can
[1:41:40] you scroll pleas no 8 to 10,000 a year
[1:41:44] for
[1:41:45] the depending on the year depending on
[1:41:48] if they're one two or three year renewal
[1:41:50] cycles and
[1:41:53] so we could still have the public
[1:41:54] hearing implemented it without I mean
[1:41:56] after the budget season yeah this yes
[1:41:58] we're going to pass it and it's going to
[1:42:00] take effect January first so we have
[1:42:02] enough time to to send to a PA out there
[1:42:05] and and let people know that hey this is
[1:42:07] what's going to happen but ask U
[1:42:10] Michelle so to kind put it on the
[1:42:11] website so people know that January 1st
[1:42:14] these changes are coming into
[1:42:16] place cuz that's not a huge budget
[1:42:18] impact it's no it's not a huge bud just
[1:42:20] something that we need to address these
[1:42:22] small little things
[1:42:26] next two next this is this is a very
[1:42:28] quick one uh we do have grant money and
[1:42:30] we also have uh money in C and you guys
[1:42:34] provide us with capital funding in the
[1:42:36] past um so we are looking to do a new
[1:42:38] canel facility in the city and when we
[1:42:41] do do that there will be options for
[1:42:43] more more Revenue that may or may not
[1:42:46] require some assistance from you guys
[1:42:47] and helping us do that but uh right now
[1:42:50] if we get a new facility we can look to
[1:42:53] least k space other municipalities who
[1:42:55] are having trouble post trainings
[1:42:58] there's a lot that we'd like to do
[1:42:59] that's another hour or something so do
[1:43:01] that and then look into the countywide
[1:43:04] agreement instead of having just a city
[1:43:05] be involved there's other people that
[1:43:07] would like to be part of our agreement
[1:43:09] but uh they're more or less locked out
[1:43:11] of the agreement so possibly we could
[1:43:14] look to expand it countywide with that
[1:43:16] and the last one uh is I know that the
[1:43:19] council gave the mayor the option to
[1:43:22] look at Kias rates didn't change those
[1:43:24] they were last changed in 2020 and I
[1:43:27] recommend at some point a group looks at
[1:43:30] those fees to see if they're still in
[1:43:32] line with what they should be is that an
[1:43:35] engineer is that an engineer
[1:43:38] thing yes
[1:43:40] so yes engineering engineering helps set
[1:43:43] the set the initial fees so I don't know
[1:43:45] I don't know how the initial fee
[1:43:46] structure was set um I have the initial
[1:43:49] fee I have what they are today um they
[1:43:51] have a change since 2020 but some to
[1:43:53] think about looking at and seeing if it
[1:43:55] uh they should be updated don't and we
[1:43:59] whenever we update paring we have to
[1:44:01] coordinate
[1:44:03] natural we we'll get we'll get to
[1:44:07] you okay that's the last slide that's it
[1:44:11] that's it any other
[1:44:14] questions no so if we were to move for
[1:44:17] this we need to call for a public
[1:44:18] hearing and I think it's like three
[1:44:20] public hearing because we're not doing
[1:44:22] with parking right
[1:44:24] that we have to follow on the
[1:44:25] engineering and we're not touching on
[1:44:26] that and remote
[1:44:30] control is that correct so we need to
[1:44:32] call for public hear false
[1:44:35] alarm public hearing for the parking
[1:44:39] fines we're not doing a parking Ms we
[1:44:42] don't have the RS and Animal Control
[1:44:45] feeds free public and the
[1:44:48] records and record yeah records oh yeah
[1:44:52] sorry record it's not records false kns
[1:44:57] records animal right go
[1:45:02] ahead I thought waiting for the feedback
[1:45:05] of other municipalities for the false
[1:45:10] alarms so I have written down I'm going
[1:45:12] to come back I'll email out what the
[1:45:14] bills were versus what was paid and what
[1:45:17] other municipalities are charging for
[1:45:18] their false alarm fees so that's my one
[1:45:21] takeaway my other takeaway is the the
[1:45:23] one year same data set that we use up
[1:45:25] layer of zones for parking okay that's
[1:45:28] the any other information we need from
[1:45:31] assistant I think that that's what we're
[1:45:33] asking from here so we need to call for
[1:45:36] call for public heing for records call
[1:45:38] for public hearing for the alarm false
[1:45:41] alarm we need to call for public hearing
[1:45:44] parking finds and we need to call for
[1:45:47] public hearing and Animal Control
[1:45:49] Fe go ahead please C can't call for
[1:45:53] public area if we're still looking at
[1:45:55] adjusting language right so no we're not
[1:45:57] adjusting the just is we just asking for
[1:46:00] backup false alarm I was looking for
[1:46:03] more context that increase the rates but
[1:46:05] we're trying to identify what rates and
[1:46:08] getting a off on that one so we we can
[1:46:11] hold off on that one the false alarm
[1:46:13] right so it's records so what I do we
[1:46:16] proceed to call for public hearing for
[1:46:18] the
[1:46:19] records October
[1:46:21] 15 and I have a motion second all in
[1:46:25] favor I so we'll skip the false alarm
[1:46:28] and wait on the backup
[1:46:31] documents I call for public hearing on
[1:46:33] the parking findes for October
[1:46:36] 15th are we going to wait for that too
[1:46:39] and wait for the information that we
[1:46:40] talk
[1:46:41] about well that we have the backup he's
[1:46:44] just going to spread it out for us in
[1:46:46] more detail and we'll have that before
[1:46:47] the
[1:46:49] 15th so this is calling and setting the
[1:46:52] public hear
[1:46:54] we have almost a month to get that
[1:47:00] information Yeahs you have another
[1:47:03] committee meeting between we have one we
[1:47:06] still have a committee me a committee
[1:47:08] meeting so you can pass it maybe final
[1:47:11] version that that evening and still be
[1:47:14] in time for the public
[1:47:17] hearing we still have
[1:47:19] things think going back to the false
[1:47:21] alarms trying to leverage our time now
[1:47:24] do we call it and then in between that
[1:47:26] we still have time to adjust it yeah
[1:47:27] that's exactly yeah cuz we still have
[1:47:30] almost a month to get that information
[1:47:32] and I'm pretty sure we get that in a
[1:47:34] week or two from PD and that will give
[1:47:36] us enough time to kind like two weeks
[1:47:38] out to kind of like review it internally
[1:47:41] between ourselves and then the public
[1:47:42] hearing is on the 15th let's listen to
[1:47:45] the public we came back come back to the
[1:47:46] table and we can like iron it out on the
[1:47:50] power so I so are you saying that you
[1:47:52] think that we should have the public
[1:47:53] hearing on the 15th for the F LA are you
[1:47:56] asking in terms of timing in terms of
[1:47:58] timing yes is that your question my
[1:48:00] question was if we're doing that in
[1:48:02] similar context with like another area I
[1:48:05] just want to make it known I I very much
[1:48:07] want to increase the rates for the false
[1:48:09] alarms it's just identifying what rates
[1:48:11] there are so if we're trying to like
[1:48:13] hedge time I we will we will uh word the
[1:48:17] uh word the public hearing notice that
[1:48:19] they calling for an increase in the
[1:48:20] public amendment that of that particular
[1:48:22] part of code calling for an increase in
[1:48:24] the uh in the fine amounts so that would
[1:48:28] be what the public will be on notice for
[1:48:30] then the legislation
[1:48:33] follow and then we look at the other
[1:48:36] municipality we'll come back to the
[1:48:38] council I will Shar to the council have
[1:48:41] assistant and chief Shar to the council
[1:48:43] other the municipality really they have
[1:48:44] for false
[1:48:46] alarm
[1:48:47] okay so we did got through with the
[1:48:51] called public hearing for the records so
[1:48:52] we can we can proceed to call for a
[1:48:54] public hearing on the false alarm fee
[1:48:56] for October
[1:48:59] 15th so second second all in favor I and
[1:49:03] then we'll call for public Hearing in
[1:49:05] October the 15th for parking fine
[1:49:08] fees second all in favor I and then
[1:49:12] we'll call for public hearing and the
[1:49:13] animal control fee October
[1:49:17] 15 so uh so moved second second all in
[1:49:20] favor I thank
[1:49:24] you well we we'll get to work and we'll
[1:49:26] provide all the information that is
[1:49:28] needed there's a hand waving in the air
[1:49:30] back there what are we
[1:49:33] doing no we we'll have a meeting with
[1:49:35] you regards to the
[1:49:37] K unless you ready to go no I'm just
[1:49:41] getting yeah I just want we we'll
[1:49:43] provide all the information that was
[1:49:45] asked and to the console so that we can
[1:49:48] uh proceed with this in a timely
[1:49:50] manner the next it
[1:49:56] review collecting feedback from City
[1:49:58] residents on our cdbg SL CV funding to
[1:50:02] prevent prepare for and respond to
[1:50:04] Corona virus
[1:50:07] projects um there a public hearing was
[1:50:09] held on the
[1:50:12] 9th
[1:50:16] hereon are there any questions there
[1:50:18] were no um speakers there were no
[1:50:21] speakers are there any questions comment
[1:50:23] on
[1:50:26] is we need to we need to move so I have
[1:50:28] a motion to to to move this
[1:50:36] resolution can I have a
[1:50:39] second closing out this matter it would
[1:50:42] be a motion to closing out the public
[1:50:44] hearing with there was no comments and
[1:50:46] the report will go forward to the uh uh
[1:50:51] the agency that's was just hear what the
[1:50:53] motion would be yeah it would be a
[1:50:55] motion to close out the public hearing
[1:50:57] and and you know send the report to the
[1:51:00] federal agency responsible for this
[1:51:02] funding okay think did you Mo and I'll
[1:51:06] second all in favor any other business
[1:51:09] or Finance motion to
[1:51:11] adjourn second all in favor I I'd like
[1:51:15] to call to order uh City development and
[1:51:17] planning there are 10 items on the
[1:51:19] agenda and I will would like to add a
[1:51:21] couple more ceremony with resolutions
[1:51:23] just so you're aware um Mr Wallin here
[1:51:26] so the first item is the award bid
[1:51:28] contract for the City Mall ventilation
[1:51:40] replacement uh so the first award bidden
[1:51:42] contract we have is for like it says
[1:51:44] City Hall ventilation replacement there
[1:51:46] are two bids for this one is an
[1:51:49] electrical one is a mechanical we did
[1:51:51] the electrical
[1:51:53] several weeks ago mechanically we didn't
[1:51:55] get a bid because some labeling we did
[1:51:57] come back out put out a bid and received
[1:51:59] a low bid from R&B mechanical um the
[1:52:03] second bid was considerably higher from
[1:52:06] Hecker we did talk with R&B mechanical
[1:52:08] we have done a lot of work with R&B
[1:52:10] mechanical and they are confident in
[1:52:12] their number so we are confident in them
[1:52:15] and we're recommending to move
[1:52:19] for any questions concerns move this
[1:52:22] second all those in favor I I uh item
[1:52:25] number two awarding bid contract for the
[1:52:27] watt Street and car Street Park
[1:52:28] improvements of cargo construction Mr
[1:52:31] Wallen um this is a we're calling it a W
[1:52:33] Street Safety project um it's a project
[1:52:36] we've been working with the members of
[1:52:37] the Congressional Gates of Heaven
[1:52:39] Cemetery committee um because of the
[1:52:42] unique configuration of watch Street the
[1:52:45] fence has been hit multiple times uh
[1:52:48] over the course of the history of the
[1:52:50] cemetery uh they've asked City to try to
[1:52:53] mitigate that um so what we have is
[1:52:56] we've designed a uh di rail system with
[1:53:00] Chevrons we're looking to possibly
[1:53:01] install a couple of solar power light up
[1:53:04] Chevrons cuz uh a lot of these do happen
[1:53:06] at night uh where it is a you know
[1:53:09] geometry that we're not looking to have
[1:53:11] uh very unique in the area um and this
[1:53:14] also have a a modified driveway and then
[1:53:17] we are also working with uh the carer
[1:53:19] street park and trying to work with the
[1:53:22] people people there to pick away at
[1:53:24] their master plan um a little bit at a
[1:53:27] time this will extend their sidewalk to
[1:53:30] the basketball court do a little
[1:53:32] connection and then pour some pads so
[1:53:34] that they can install some benches
[1:53:36] around the area that's
[1:53:38] great any questions concerns a motion
[1:53:42] second all those in
[1:53:44] favor thank you and item number excuse
[1:53:47] me award bidden contract for dis connect
[1:53:49] fire station number one h h back and
[1:53:53] Generator upgrades uh so similar to the
[1:53:57] City Hall of ventilation this was uh the
[1:54:00] GC portion of a four bid wicka project
[1:54:04] we already awarded three the mechanical
[1:54:07] the electrical and the plumbing we did
[1:54:08] have a hard time finding a GC we were
[1:54:11] able to um call a couple of people and
[1:54:15] get them to bid the low bid is MJG
[1:54:18] construction we have not worked with
[1:54:20] them they are relatively local of bson
[1:54:23] spa we did call we have references they
[1:54:25] have worked with the county and they
[1:54:26] have worked with um a couple of the sub
[1:54:30] other main contractors on the project
[1:54:32] which is how they were called and
[1:54:34] referenced so um with all that said we
[1:54:38] we were comfortable that they understand
[1:54:39] the job and be able to work uh with the
[1:54:41] other groups that are here they is
[1:54:44] significantly corre lower than y this
[1:54:48] uh this work is for the GC on this
[1:54:51] particular job is is
[1:54:53] not too too labor it's a it's a lot of
[1:54:57] repairing ceiling tiles and penetrations
[1:55:00] and things the majority of the work I
[1:55:01] mean if you were look at if you had all
[1:55:03] the bids in front of you the hbac work
[1:55:05] is actually $1.3 million that's the HC
[1:55:09] that's the bulk of the work I don't even
[1:55:11] know if the plumbing component is small
[1:55:13] the electric component is small GC is
[1:55:15] small it's really H job which is why
[1:55:18] we're having a hard time going and I
[1:55:20] would also think that um because the
[1:55:23] contractors know that this was the third
[1:55:25] bik at the Apple that they probably you
[1:55:29] know increased a little bit knowing that
[1:55:32] the city was in a pinch uh and this
[1:55:34] contractor possibly not as much but um
[1:55:37] like I say we we have faith in our
[1:55:39] references and the people that we talk
[1:55:40] to and we're looking forward to
[1:55:42] working thank you questions comments
[1:55:45] come with this second all in
[1:55:48] favor thank you thank you Mr w
[1:55:53] uh so the um next one is just is a
[1:55:57] ceremonial resolution recognizing Breast
[1:56:00] Cancer month which is October something
[1:56:02] we generally try to do every year uh
[1:56:05] entertain a motion second all in favor
[1:56:09] and the next ceremonial resolution we
[1:56:11] all received an email from Business and
[1:56:13] Professional women asking for actually
[1:56:16] they ask for Proclamation but we do
[1:56:18] resolution so um putting forth to do a
[1:56:20] resolution for the woman who's being
[1:56:21] honored for woman of the
[1:56:23] year uh what's her name Jennifer
[1:56:26] Hendrick fog so con a motion so second
[1:56:30] all in
[1:56:31] favor item number six is a reminder of
[1:56:34] the ceremony raming of a portion of
[1:56:36] Barrett Street from here on street to
[1:56:38] the intersection of South Avenue to
[1:56:40] Marling Hill way there was a public
[1:56:41] hearing held on oh excuse me the public
[1:56:44] hearing will be held on
[1:56:46] 923 Mr L no that's all right thank you
[1:56:50] just a reminder public hearing is uh
[1:56:52] next Monday 7 p.m. okay thank you and I
[1:56:56] would like to ask the uh council's
[1:56:58] Indulgence to um forward a couple more
[1:57:02] um resolutions I just actually came
[1:57:03] forward one of them if you read
[1:57:05] yesterday's paper there's a young man
[1:57:08] who currently resides in our our city uh
[1:57:10] James Jak Thomas who's been inducted
[1:57:13] into the Hall of Fame as we speak uh so
[1:57:16] I wanted to be able to recognize him
[1:57:18] with the ceremonial
[1:57:20] resolution so second all in
[1:57:24] favor and then additionally also this
[1:57:26] weekend I was U um someone reached out
[1:57:29] to me September is suicide prevention
[1:57:31] month but for whatever reason they're
[1:57:33] not having their walk until October 6th
[1:57:36] so um called and wanted to and it's
[1:57:38] their 10y year anniversary of their walk
[1:57:40] in the city of skincity so um and this
[1:57:43] would actually be presented at the walk
[1:57:45] so um just asking for a motion on this
[1:57:49] resolution that second all in favor
[1:57:53] thank you madam president since you're
[1:57:54] adding here I think we all missed that
[1:57:56] Hispanic heras month is celebrated um
[1:58:00] September 15th to October 15th so I
[1:58:02] would like to ask that we add that also
[1:58:04] and you you'll reach out for somebody to
[1:58:05] come because we having that issue since
[1:58:07] we're adding you know let's not leave
[1:58:09] anybody out so I would like to ask for a
[1:58:12] CR for Hispanic Heritage
[1:58:15] Month second all those in
[1:58:18] favor okay uh the remainder of the items
[1:58:21] are are in executive session for
[1:58:24] property
[1:58:26] sales so I entertain a motion to go an
[1:58:29] executive session move second all in
[1:58:31] favor we're in executive session members
[1:58:33] of the public will have to leave
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