[0:00] vice mayor dorman and council members
[0:01] moeller doernbecher and knight
[0:03] along with staff are participating
[0:05] remotely by video audio and conformance
[0:07] with the governor's executive order
[0:10] members of the public have been able to
[0:13] send
[0:13] comments by email to publiccomment
[0:15] yville.com
[0:17] and we will reference those as
[0:20] appropriate if there are any later in
[0:24] the meeting
[0:24] i will now ask the town clerk to conduct
[0:27] role of the council and ask each member
[0:30] to confirm they can hear the proceedings
[0:32] and have a copy of the agenda for this
[0:34] meeting
[0:34] go ahead michelle thank you mayor
[0:37] council member doran becker
[0:40] yes to both excuse me thank you
[0:42] councilmember knight
[0:44] here and yes to both thank you
[0:46] councilmember mueller
[0:48] yes vice mayor dorman
[0:52] here and yes to both thank you thank you
[0:55] and mayor dunbar
[0:57] yes thank you let the record reflect all
[1:00] council members have indicated they're
[1:02] able to hear
[1:02] the meeting and have the agenda
[1:06] before we proceed with the agenda i'd
[1:09] like to inform our viewers that any vote
[1:10] taken
[1:12] during this teleconference meeting will
[1:14] be taken by a roll call vote
[1:15] of the town clerk as you just heard
[1:18] in addition public hearing and
[1:20] administrative regular agenda items that
[1:22] have representatives that are not staff
[1:24] will provide presentations as they would
[1:26] during a typical council meeting
[1:29] and will be called upon during their
[1:31] particular agenda
[1:33] item so with that taken care of
[1:36] if you would all please join us in the
[1:38] pledge of allegiance
[1:42] i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[1:44] united states
[1:56] thank you next up is adoption of today's
[2:00] agenda
[2:01] if there are no changes is there a
[2:03] motion to adopt the agenda as presented
[2:07] i believe i heard council member knight
[2:09] with the motion seconded council member
[2:10] dorne becker
[2:12] thank you we'll go with uh roll call
[2:14] vote on that michelle
[2:16] thank you councilmember knight yes
[2:19] councilmember dorn becker yes
[2:22] councilmember moeller
[2:23] yes vice mayor dorman yes
[2:27] mayor dunbar yes
[2:30] thank you next we have uh the first of
[2:33] four proclamations
[2:34] today this first proclamation and this
[2:37] is unfortunate that we're not all in the
[2:39] same place which is normally the case
[2:41] and we're able to
[2:42] have a representative for each of these
[2:45] proclamations present but
[2:47] we will do this virtually the first one
[2:50] is a proclamation in recognition
[2:53] of lgbtq pride month
[2:57] whereas this june marks the 52nd
[3:00] anniversary of the stonewall riots
[3:02] which were a series of demonstrations by
[3:04] members of the gay community
[3:06] against a police raid that took place on
[3:08] june 28 1969
[3:10] at the stonewall inn in the greenwich
[3:13] village neighborhood of manhattan new
[3:14] york city
[3:15] that served as a catalyst for the gay
[3:17] rights movement
[3:20] whereas the rainbow flag also known as
[3:22] the lgbt pride flag or gay pride flag
[3:26] has been present since the 1970s as a
[3:28] symbol
[3:29] of lesbian gay bisexual transgender
[3:32] inclusiveness
[3:33] and social movements whereas many
[3:35] residents
[3:36] veterans students employees
[3:39] business owners and visitors to the town
[3:42] of downville are part of the lesbian gay
[3:45] bisexual transgender and questioning
[3:47] community
[3:48] who contribute to the widespread
[3:49] academic economic
[3:52] artistic and social fabric of the entire
[3:54] napa valley
[3:56] whereas june is commemorated around the
[3:59] globe as international gay pride month
[4:01] to honor and celebrate the history
[4:03] achievements
[4:04] and contributions of lgbtq people
[4:08] and it gives us the opportunity to come
[4:10] together in various celebrations
[4:12] of freedom and pride
[4:15] whereas the town of youngville is
[4:17] committed to support and encourage
[4:19] diversity
[4:19] in the workplace and throughout the
[4:21] community as stated in the town's 2009
[4:25] equal rights resolution now therefore
[4:28] let it be resolved that i
[4:29] john f dunbar mayor of the town of young
[4:32] phil along with
[4:33] the town council do hereby proclaim june
[4:36] 2021 as lesbian gay
[4:39] bisexual transgender and queer pride
[4:42] month
[4:43] and invite everyone to reflect on ways
[4:45] we can all
[4:46] advance the rights and protections of
[4:49] lgbtq
[4:50] people and live and work together with
[4:53] the commitment
[4:54] to mutual respect and understanding
[4:59] and on behalf of the entire town council
[5:01] and town staff
[5:02] we are proud every year to recognize
[5:07] uh pride month and we will be
[5:10] raising the philadelphia pride flag
[5:13] rainbow flag june 1st to commemorate
[5:17] pride month so we do have a meeting
[5:19] scheduled for three o'clock
[5:21] we haven't determined exactly when we're
[5:22] going to be raising the flag but we will
[5:24] be doing that
[5:25] on the tuesday june 1st so look for that
[5:28] announcement
[5:30] next a proclamation recognizing may 4th
[5:35] 2021 as arbor day in the town of
[5:37] yonville
[5:43] whereas in 1872 j sterling morton
[5:47] proposed to the nebraska board of
[5:49] agriculture that a special day be set
[5:52] aside for the planting of trees
[5:54] whereas this holiday called arbor day
[5:57] was first
[5:57] observed with the planting of more than
[6:00] a million trees in nebraska
[6:02] it is now observed throughout the nation
[6:04] and the world
[6:05] whereas the state of california
[6:06] recognizes arbor day march 7th
[6:10] whereas the town of youngfield takes
[6:11] great pride in the many trees that bring
[6:13] many benefits to our community including
[6:15] our schools parks and
[6:17] neighborhoods whereas the community
[6:19] continues to place great importance in
[6:21] the planting
[6:22] care and preservation of trees
[6:25] throughout the town of the ownville
[6:27] whereas the town of downfield will plant
[6:29] will plant new trees
[6:31] this month now therefore be it resolved
[6:34] that i john f dunbar as mayor of the
[6:36] town of youngville
[6:38] do hereby proclaim april 30th
[6:43] we'll say april 30th 2021 is arbitrary
[6:45] in the town of youngville
[6:47] and continue the celebration throughout
[6:48] the month with the planting of trees
[6:52] and even though it's may 4th so we're
[6:54] going to go with that
[6:56] every day is arbor day in yonville
[7:01] next is a proclamation recognizing may
[7:03] the month of may is public works
[7:05] appreciation month
[7:08] and if anyone is out there that's
[7:11] watching and listening
[7:12] uh recognizes everything works
[7:16] out there infrastructure-wise on our
[7:18] streets and our parks and our
[7:19] neighborhoods everywhere
[7:21] it's because of our public works
[7:23] department
[7:24] so this is a proclamation declaring
[7:26] national public works month for may
[7:28] 2021.
[7:30] whereas public works services provided
[7:32] in the town of youngville
[7:34] are integral to maintaining buildings
[7:36] and infrastructure
[7:37] as well as providing a healthy
[7:39] comfortable and safe environment for
[7:41] residents
[7:42] visitors and businesses whereas the
[7:45] skill and experience of our town of
[7:47] yanfeld public works staff
[7:48] are integral to the quality and
[7:50] longevity of town facilities
[7:52] and systems the natural beauty of parks
[7:55] and open space
[7:56] as well as the planning design and
[7:58] construction of a significant number of
[8:01] capital projects
[8:03] whereas support of municipal services
[8:05] include water
[8:06] sewers streets public buildings
[8:09] and solid waste collection all critical
[8:12] to the operations
[8:13] of youngville's public works department
[8:17] whereas our public works staff
[8:19] prioritize service to yanfo residents
[8:21] visitors and businesses regardless of
[8:24] the timing or natural conditions
[8:26] in which they work including during
[8:28] wildfires
[8:30] floods power outages severe weather
[8:33] and other challenging and dangerous
[8:35] circumstances
[8:37] whereas the dedication and
[8:39] professionalism of the public works
[8:41] staff
[8:42] have been magnified throughout this past
[8:44] year during the covet 19 pandemic
[8:47] as they set aside personal obligations
[8:49] at home
[8:50] to maintain uninterrupted service for
[8:53] our residents and businesses
[8:55] now therefore be it resolved that i john
[8:58] f dunbar mayor of the town of youngville
[9:01] do hereby proclaim may 2021
[9:04] as national public works month i ask all
[9:07] citizens
[9:08] and civic organizations in the town of
[9:09] youngville
[9:11] to recognize the contributions our
[9:13] public works staff
[9:14] make every day to our health safety
[9:17] and high quality of life
[9:22] i don't think you can see it with my
[9:24] virtual background but
[9:26] it's there it is
[9:32] a special thank you to our public works
[9:34] director joe tagliabashi i know
[9:36] we have john farron's on here sometimes
[9:38] but not always
[9:40] and the rest of the team thank you so
[9:42] very much
[9:47] and our final but not last
[9:50] at all tied for first in importance
[9:55] uh proclamation celebrating the 52nd
[9:58] annual professional municipal clerks
[10:01] week
[10:02] of may 2nd to the 8th 2021
[10:07] whereas the office of the municipal
[10:09] clerk is a vital part of local
[10:10] government
[10:11] that exists throughout the world and
[10:13] provides the professional link between
[10:15] the citizens
[10:16] local governing bodies and agencies of
[10:19] government
[10:19] at other levels whereas municipal clerks
[10:23] have pledged to be
[10:24] to perform their duties with integrity
[10:26] neutrality
[10:27] and impartiality they remain current
[10:30] with the affairs of the office
[10:32] through educational programs such as new
[10:35] law workshops and city clerks
[10:37] association
[10:38] annual meetings of their state county
[10:40] and international professional
[10:42] organizations
[10:44] whereas municipal clerks strive
[10:47] constantly to improve
[10:48] the administration of the affairs of the
[10:50] office consistent with applicable laws
[10:53] and through sound management practices
[10:55] to fulfill responsibilities to the
[10:57] community
[10:58] and others and whereas the municipal
[11:01] clerk for the town of youngville serves
[11:03] as the town's election official
[11:06] by the way there's a long list so hold
[11:08] on elections official
[11:11] records manager political reform act
[11:14] filing officer
[11:15] prepares and distributes town council
[11:17] agendas in accordance with the brown act
[11:20] maintains the legislative record of
[11:22] council proceedings
[11:23] overseas board and commission
[11:25] appointments provides support to the
[11:27] town council and town manager
[11:29] and acts as the custodian of the town
[11:32] seal
[11:34] whereas michelle dame has served as our
[11:38] town of the outfield town clerk since
[11:40] july of 2006.
[11:42] and has worked in municipal government
[11:44] since 1997.
[11:47] michelle is also a member of the
[11:48] international institute of municipal
[11:50] clerks
[11:51] and the city clerks association of
[11:53] california
[11:54] and has been a member of the municipal
[11:56] management association
[11:58] of northern california now it is my
[12:01] privilege and honor
[12:04] to resolve that by john f dunbar mayor
[12:07] of the town of youngville
[12:08] do recognize the week of may 2nd through
[12:11] the 8th 2021
[12:12] as municipal clerks week but especially
[12:15] on behalf of the town council extend our
[12:19] appreciation to michelle dame and all
[12:21] municipal clerks for the vital services
[12:24] they perform and their exemplary
[12:26] dedication
[12:27] to the communities they represent and
[12:29] yes we are
[12:30] bias michelle you stand above
[12:33] all of your colleagues in our hearts and
[12:36] so
[12:37] thank you so very much for your many
[12:39] many years of
[12:40] of service to our community thank you
[12:44] let's try this again
[12:47] there it is it's almost as tall as i am
[12:52] look at that
[12:56] it's that long list michelle but it
[12:58] doesn't even include everything
[13:00] i know that one of the things is making
[13:03] sure that
[13:04] we all get on these zoom calls in this
[13:06] last year
[13:07] uh and being able to execute i know
[13:10] you've got
[13:10] multiple screens working and you've got
[13:12] public comments coming in and
[13:14] and text messages from me or eddie or
[13:17] julie or
[13:18] samantha or steve or et cetera et cetera
[13:21] and so
[13:21] really thank you for making it look
[13:24] seamless on the front end
[13:25] to the world but we know all that you're
[13:27] juggling and
[13:28] executing for all of us so thank you
[13:30] thank you thank you
[13:34] all right let's move on speaking of
[13:36] public comment do we have any public
[13:38] comment on items that are not on our
[13:40] agenda
[13:43] oh i need to have you on mute so i can
[13:45] hear you michelle after all that no
[13:47] no we don't thank you mayor all right
[13:49] thank you
[13:51] we'll move on to our consent calendar we
[13:53] have items 7a
[13:55] through f do we have any public comment
[13:58] on the consent calendar
[13:59] michelle no we don't mayor thank you
[14:02] all right if there are no questions from
[14:05] council i'll entertain a motion to uh
[14:07] adopt the con calendar as presented so
[14:10] moved
[14:12] second i believe that was vice mayor
[14:14] dorman with the motion second by
[14:16] council member doran becker roll call
[14:18] vote please thank you mayor vice mayor
[14:20] dorman
[14:21] yes council member dorne becker yes
[14:25] council member knight yes council member
[14:28] moeller
[14:29] yes mayor dunbar yes
[14:33] thank you i need to get my participants
[14:37] window open here
[14:38] to see if we have our next presenter
[14:41] with us
[14:45] i'm not sure if we have i don't see
[14:47] hillary are you she
[14:49] hiding
[14:51] [Music]
[14:53] ah there we go we've magically made her
[14:55] appear
[14:57] the next item is a presentation from
[14:59] hillary tripp our chair
[15:01] of the measure measure s affordable
[15:04] and workforce housing oversight
[15:06] committee to give us an update so
[15:08] hillary welcome and before we get
[15:11] started
[15:12] i'll also remind you to unmute but i
[15:14] want to say thank you
[15:15] for your volunteering at the vaccination
[15:18] clinic
[15:19] i got to see you yesterday morning as i
[15:21] got my second shot and
[15:23] i want to thank you along with many
[15:24] other residents and our chamber
[15:27] folks that helped put that on for our
[15:29] community so thank you very much
[15:31] and now we look forward to your
[15:33] committee update
[15:34] thank you and uh i'm going to just
[15:38] check with celia to see whether the
[15:40] slides get put up on the screen or just
[15:42] how that works
[15:43] um yes thank you hillary i think that uh
[15:46] the town clerk will be running the
[15:48] powerpoint presentation so
[15:49] as you go along just let her know next
[15:51] slide and she'll she'll move it along
[15:53] for you okay well we'll start with the
[15:54] first
[15:55] the title slide um i believe that he's
[15:58] going to take care of that right eddie
[16:00] it is coming my computer is moving it's
[16:02] wonderful
[16:03] well that's a i can get started eddie
[16:08] while you
[16:08] um get your slides up so just uh
[16:10] introduce uh
[16:11] myself um and good afternoon honorable
[16:14] members of the town council
[16:16] um my name is hilary tripp and as chair
[16:19] of the measure s
[16:21] affordable and workforce housing
[16:23] committee i'm going to be providing a
[16:26] very brief update
[16:27] on the activities of the committee
[16:30] so i'll move on to the second slide
[16:34] i'm sure as you'll see on the second
[16:36] slide here
[16:37] that the town council members are
[16:40] familiar with the committee but i'll
[16:41] just give a brief statement of the
[16:43] purpose of the committee
[16:44] uh it was established as part of the
[16:47] additional one percent
[16:49] trans transient and occupancy tax
[16:52] measure passed by the voters of
[16:54] yankville in 2018
[16:56] to create funding for affordable uh
[16:59] housing and workforce housing
[17:00] and the language of measure s required
[17:03] the establishment
[17:04] of such an oversight committee and the
[17:06] role of the committee is primarily to
[17:08] review the expenditures made by the town
[17:11] in support of affordable and workforce
[17:13] housing and to confirm that those
[17:15] expenditures
[17:16] meet with the intent of the ordinance so
[17:19] the committee
[17:20] was folks applied to be on the committee
[17:24] and we were selected by the council and
[17:27] the volunteer committee members are
[17:29] myself
[17:30] terry moylan who's serving as vice
[17:32] committee vice chair
[17:34] whitney diver mccoy patricia bartosono
[17:38] and richard board so i'll now just
[17:41] quickly go through our two meetings that
[17:43] we've had of the committee
[17:44] and that would be on the next slide
[17:46] please
[17:48] our first meeting was in october of last
[17:51] year
[17:52] we all took our oath of office
[17:55] and then established the terms of office
[17:57] for the various committee members
[17:59] three members will serve a two-year term
[18:02] through october of 22
[18:04] and two members will assert will serve a
[18:07] one-year term going through october of
[18:10] uh 2021. we
[18:14] had opportunity to meet up the staff and
[18:17] our main point of contact who has been
[18:19] extremely helpful is
[18:21] director of finance cecilia king working
[18:23] of course
[18:24] under the city manager in the council
[18:27] and we reviewed the potential uses of
[18:29] the funds
[18:29] and also the status of the collection of
[18:32] the fund
[18:33] as of last october
[18:36] and then we did meet again in march of
[18:39] this year which is the next slide
[18:41] and again we had an opportunity to
[18:44] review the fund balances
[18:46] uh and review the roles and also
[18:50] have an update on the status of
[18:52] different types of efforts that could be
[18:54] made
[18:55] for affordable and workforce housing and
[18:59] then planned for the provision of this
[19:03] update today
[19:04] to the city council and now the next
[19:07] slide is probably the moment
[19:08] everybody's been waiting for which is
[19:10] what is the fund balance
[19:12] um and the fund balance as of march 31st
[19:16] 2021
[19:17] is 928 760
[19:20] dollars and part of the reason this is
[19:23] such a brief
[19:26] update is there have been no
[19:27] expenditures to date
[19:29] so that's the current status
[19:33] of where we sit right now and
[19:36] the as part of the oversight activity we
[19:39] will be receiving each of the members of
[19:41] the committee
[19:42] a monthly statement of the fund balances
[19:44] um
[19:45] under from someone who works with
[19:47] director
[19:48] celia king in the finance department
[19:52] uh so we'll be getting that every month
[19:53] from now until the next meeting which
[19:55] will be september 22nd
[19:57] 2021. um so i think that's
[20:01] that's pretty much the update
[20:05] thank you so so very much it is uh
[20:08] exciting to see that
[20:09] balance um i'll first ask for uh
[20:12] questions from the council
[20:13] if we have any for hillary and then i'm
[20:16] gonna put steve on the spot
[20:18] after that to let us know just very
[20:21] briefly
[20:21] what the parameters are for being able
[20:23] to apply that fund balance to
[20:26] projects so any questions of the report
[20:29] from hillary
[20:31] any hands from the council
[20:34] any public uh comments come in uh during
[20:37] the presentation michelle
[20:39] no there wasn't thank you thank you
[20:42] mayor just a thank you to hillary
[20:43] and to the committee members for their
[20:45] work thank you
[20:46] welcome thank you very much
[20:50] and thank you for recognizing uh your
[20:53] fellow committee members
[20:54] as well steve could you just speak
[20:56] briefly to
[20:57] um the types of projects i know we've
[21:00] been talking about housing at the
[21:01] veterans home
[21:02] housing potentially in other locations
[21:05] in town
[21:06] but how might we apply some of that
[21:08] funding going forward
[21:09] certainly mayor measure s is a very
[21:11] flexible
[21:13] funding source but the uses need to be
[21:16] related to the generation of
[21:19] and or maintenance of affordable deed
[21:22] restricted housing
[21:23] and or we have a component that what we
[21:26] would consider
[21:26] workforce housing that might be housing
[21:30] beyond that so it could be a direct
[21:32] assistance
[21:34] one thing the town considered was
[21:36] purchasing some property we were not
[21:38] successful
[21:39] we could also purchase some of the
[21:42] affordable deed restricted and we can
[21:44] also
[21:45] invest in property with this money that
[21:47] would be used for affordable housing
[21:49] and we could also provide subsidies to
[21:53] builder developers
[21:54] that were willing to support deed
[21:56] restricted housing
[21:59] great thank you very much for that
[22:01] explanation
[22:02] and knowing that a
[22:05] housing unit costs roughly 500 000 in
[22:08] napa county
[22:10] we have money for two right now
[22:13] uh so that kind of speaks to the um
[22:17] how far that money might be going there
[22:20] are other ways to do it other than build
[22:22] new uh that uh town marriage just
[22:24] alluded to
[22:28] as the committee knows the funding level
[22:31] is a bit below where we had originally
[22:33] projected
[22:34] due to the covet pandemic our tot
[22:37] collections have plummeted uh in late 19
[22:41] and continuing on so
[22:43] this lower level hopefully will start
[22:45] returning
[22:47] um and and be generating approximately
[22:49] 700 000 a year going forward
[22:52] that's a an objective that you know it
[22:54] may take us a couple years to get to but
[22:56] it
[22:57] we should be able to return to that
[23:00] so hillary your work is ahead of you
[23:03] thank you again thanks for being here
[23:05] with us today
[23:08] next up we do have one public hearing
[23:10] today it is a
[23:11] use permit request from cornerstone
[23:15] sellers
[23:17] consider adoption of resolution number
[23:20] 21-4053
[23:21] approving a use permit for cornerstone
[23:23] sellers tasting room with
[23:25] tina stevens secondary retail for their
[23:28] property located at 6505
[23:30] washington street apn 036-081-01
[23:36] and we will hear a staff report before
[23:38] we open the public hearing so
[23:41] let's do that
[23:44] mayor would you like me to
[23:47] allow the participants in or go ahead
[23:49] and wait until after the staff report
[23:51] go ahead and let them in now so they can
[23:52] hear the staff report in case they have
[23:54] anything to respond to thank you
[23:55] thank you
[24:06] [Music]
[24:08] welcome to our guest we are about to
[24:12] uh hear uh from sandra listen on our
[24:15] staff report and then we will be
[24:17] welcoming your comments and potentially
[24:20] asking questions after the staff report
[24:22] as part of the public hearing so again
[24:24] welcome and
[24:25] i'll go to sandra good afternoon council
[24:29] this is an application for use permit
[24:32] that would allow
[24:32] cornerstone tasting room to occupy about
[24:36] 2 500 square feet on the ground floor of
[24:39] the building
[24:40] formerly occupied by fences at jcb
[24:42] village
[24:44] and cornerstone operated a tasting room
[24:46] here in town from the years 2008 to
[24:49] 2017 and it's interested now in
[24:51] re-establishing that tasting room
[24:54] presence
[24:55] there are two comments to the proposed
[24:57] use in front of you
[24:58] one of which is the cornerstone tasting
[25:00] room and that would take place in
[25:02] roughly
[25:03] 1570 square feet on the north end of the
[25:06] building
[25:07] and the other component is tina stevens
[25:11] retail and that would take place in the
[25:13] 950 square feet
[25:16] at the south end of building and it's
[25:18] the
[25:19] tina stevens retail that would satisfy
[25:22] the town's retail diversity policy
[25:25] that requires tasting rooms to provide
[25:27] at least 25
[25:29] of the netfloor area to non-wine retail
[25:32] so i'll discuss each of the two uses
[25:35] separately
[25:35] the first being cornerstone and it would
[25:38] be a wine tasting room with
[25:40] 20 indoor seats both in the main tasting
[25:44] hall
[25:44] and at the vip
[25:47] area off to the side as well as 16
[25:50] outdoor
[25:50] seats in the interior courtyard on the
[25:53] west side of the building the proposed
[25:56] daily hours of operation would be
[25:58] between
[25:58] 11am and 6pm in the winter months and
[26:01] we're defining that by resolution of
[26:03] november through october
[26:05] and until 7pm in the summer months of
[26:08] may through october the applicant
[26:10] indicates that
[26:11] it would need two staff members from
[26:14] monday through thursday
[26:15] increasing to four staff members on
[26:18] thursday
[26:18] sorry friday saturday and sunday and
[26:22] the wine tasting use includes both
[26:25] flights of wine for tasting as well as
[26:27] either glasses or bottles of wine for
[26:30] on-site consumption
[26:32] food pairings are also a component of
[26:34] the proposed use
[26:35] and the options are to provide a cheese
[26:38] plate
[26:38] a charcuterie platter and small bites
[26:42] prepared by a yet to be
[26:43] identified youngville restaurant and all
[26:46] food pairings would be
[26:48] prepared by an off-site caterer and they
[26:51] would need to be ordered 24 hours in
[26:53] advance really at the time a reservation
[26:55] is made because the food is not prepared
[26:57] on site
[26:58] and so walk-in guests wouldn't be
[27:00] allowed to or permitted to order
[27:02] that simply wouldn't be available the
[27:04] applicant is proposing
[27:06] a total of 14 special events in four
[27:09] separate categories
[27:10] the first of which would be private wine
[27:13] club events
[27:15] and there would be four of these for up
[27:16] to 75 people
[27:19] occurring in the months of march may
[27:21] september
[27:22] and november they would occur over a
[27:24] four hour window
[27:26] to limit total attendance at any one
[27:28] time
[27:29] and they would feature catered
[27:31] appetizers and occasionally an acoustic
[27:34] artist they're seeking two
[27:37] wine release parties for up to 100
[27:39] people in the spring and late summer
[27:42] and again this would be spread over the
[27:43] course of a day and would
[27:46] feature catered appetizers
[27:49] they are seeking four vip wine maker
[27:52] dinners with multiple courses for up to
[27:54] 20 people
[27:56] and four artist receptions associated
[27:58] with arena galleries
[28:00] and these would include past hors
[28:01] d'oeuvres and they would occur
[28:03] late in the afternoon and evening hours
[28:06] and ending by 9 pm
[28:08] and these events would occur mainly
[28:10] indoors
[28:12] with limited use of the back courtyard
[28:14] and they're generally going to take
[28:16] place during the daily hours of
[28:17] operation although they're seeking
[28:20] permission to extend until 9 pm
[28:23] on the 14 days they're seeking approval
[28:27] and the last component of the use is the
[28:28] secondary retail
[28:30] component which satisfies the standard
[28:33] for tasting rooms that they provide
[28:35] some level of non-wine retail and it's
[28:38] satisfied with the tina stephens
[28:41] retail boutique but it also includes two
[28:44] tina stephens
[28:46] display shell display areas within the
[28:48] tasting room itself
[28:49] as well as the arena artwork and that
[28:52] will be artwork on the walls
[28:54] and sculpture as well
[28:57] now the tina stephens used is a woman's
[29:00] retail clothing boutique and it would be
[29:03] partitioned from the tasting room with a
[29:06] freestanding
[29:07] shelving unit that doesn't go to the
[29:09] ceiling and it allows the free flow of
[29:11] customers
[29:12] around either side of it so that the two
[29:14] spaces
[29:15] are integrated into one
[29:18] however customers could also gain direct
[29:21] access to the business from the
[29:22] storefront entry on
[29:25] the east side of the building and that
[29:28] allows them to enter the business
[29:29] directly
[29:30] rather than going through cornerstone
[29:32] for customers that
[29:33] are not doing wine tastings the hours of
[29:36] operation would be the same as
[29:37] cornerstone
[29:38] and the staffing for tina stevens would
[29:40] be one person daily
[29:43] with two people on saturdays and sundays
[29:45] during the peak season
[29:47] which we're defining as may through
[29:49] october
[29:50] so the first question for the council
[29:54] is whether youngville has enough tasting
[29:56] rooms and we're raising this because
[29:57] it's a
[29:58] concern or sentiment of the community
[30:00] that we've heard
[30:02] from time to time that we may have
[30:03] reached this
[30:05] staffing point i mean um tipping point
[30:08] and we at this location we're losing um
[30:11] more of a long-standing retail use to
[30:14] this um wine tasting news and so we're
[30:16] raising it for your consideration
[30:18] now the past councils have considered
[30:21] this question
[30:23] and chosen not to impose a cap on the
[30:25] maximum number of tasting rooms or
[30:27] impose a distance requirement between
[30:29] them or any other
[30:31] caps so this is really a policy question
[30:33] for the council today
[30:35] staff report does note that there are 14
[30:37] tasting rooms in town
[30:39] however one of these gerard has lost its
[30:41] leave
[30:42] lease and they'll be leaving soon so the
[30:44] council could find that cornerstone
[30:46] maintains the status quo let's say a
[30:48] tasting room
[30:49] with the anticipated loss of gerard or
[30:52] it could decide otherwise
[30:55] now another item for your discussion is
[30:58] the component of the tina
[31:00] stephens area retail
[31:03] and that's because this is a little
[31:05] different than we've seen um
[31:06] from some of the other tasting rooms in
[31:08] town where it's more integrated
[31:10] into the space and this application is
[31:14] proposed to be and the 950 square feet
[31:17] at the south end of the building
[31:19] and at that amount of square footage
[31:22] it represents roughly 38 percent of the
[31:24] overall
[31:26] building which is far above the 25
[31:28] percent that is required
[31:30] and um and it's unique in that way and i
[31:33] mentioned earlier that it would be
[31:34] partitioned from the
[31:36] cornerstone space but this allows views
[31:38] into
[31:39] um the retail area it allows access into
[31:42] it
[31:43] and it's not a strict separation but i
[31:46] do want to call out for your attention
[31:47] that the retail diversity policy
[31:50] provides that secondary retail products
[31:53] shall be located within the retail space
[31:55] and in this case a tasting room
[31:57] as is practically feasible and not
[31:59] segregated into an area
[32:01] that can be closed off
[32:04] so and i think this application tests
[32:06] that standard
[32:08] if there were a wall physically
[32:10] separating the two spaces
[32:12] i don't think it would satisfy it
[32:14] however in this case the
[32:15] low partition allows the areas to be
[32:18] more integrated and i think also on a
[32:21] positive side is that this applicant is
[32:23] proposing to
[32:24] reopen one of the storefront doors that
[32:26] was nailed closed by jcb
[32:29] senses and both entries will be
[32:31] separately
[32:32] signed at each entry and offer retail
[32:34] opportunities
[32:37] the question that's been raised before
[32:39] tonight is what happens if tina
[32:41] stevens vacates the space and
[32:44] we know that this if this use permit is
[32:46] approved the non-wine retail would be a
[32:49] mandatory element
[32:50] of the use permit meaning that it needs
[32:52] to be in place for cornerstone to
[32:54] operate
[32:55] and that's because the arena wall art
[32:57] and sculpture doesn't represent
[32:59] 25 of the floor area
[33:02] and based on previous applications staff
[33:05] is suggesting that it shouldn't be
[33:06] included towards
[33:07] the minimum allocation required
[33:12] and it certainly isn't needed in this
[33:13] case because of the large amount of
[33:15] space for tina stevens
[33:17] and this would mean that the property
[33:18] owner and or cornerstone
[33:20] would need to locate a replacement
[33:22] retail partner
[33:24] but it could be any retail partner that
[33:27] offers non-wine
[33:28] merchandise the question i've
[33:32] received by a couple of council members
[33:34] before tonight's meeting is
[33:35] how long would cornerstone have to
[33:37] replace that tenant should they lose
[33:39] tina stevens
[33:41] and we could go ahead and include a
[33:42] condition of approval
[33:44] that requires a tenant be in place by a
[33:46] certain amount of time
[33:47] that could be three months or six months
[33:49] or whatever the council would be
[33:51] reasonable so that's
[33:52] an additional condition we could add
[33:54] tonight if there is interest
[33:57] the next item is the food pairings that
[33:59] the applicants are proposing
[34:01] and they're proposing three different
[34:04] options
[34:05] which would be catered by an off-site
[34:07] provider
[34:08] [Music]
[34:10] and they're really intended to highlight
[34:12] certain qualities
[34:13] of the wines being tasted heroin states
[34:16] that this
[34:17] is somewhat of a low standard because
[34:19] it's generally accepted that you know
[34:22] more mild flavors pair with the white
[34:24] wines and stronger flavors pair
[34:26] with red wines and it's not really this
[34:28] scientific
[34:30] calculation and so for this reason we
[34:32] see several wine casino rooms
[34:35] in town doing cheese and car shoot
[34:37] replace
[34:38] just like this applicant is proposing so
[34:42] very common this applicant also wants to
[34:44] partner with a restaurant to
[34:46] create four different bites that pair
[34:48] with their wines
[34:50] and this is where it gets a little
[34:51] harder to draw the line between a
[34:53] food pairing and a small appetizer
[34:58] one of which is allowed and one which
[35:00] isn't
[35:01] and the applicant has shared photo
[35:02] examples of onotree
[35:04] um which illustrates this point and so
[35:07] staff is seeking feedback from the
[35:08] council as to whether this satisfies the
[35:11] standards for food pairings
[35:14] which by definition in the municipal
[35:17] code are to be
[35:18] a bite-sized portion of food served with
[35:21] tasting flights
[35:22] glasses and bottles of wine to
[35:25] complement
[35:26] a specific flavor profile
[35:30] and they cannot be purchased
[35:31] individually and they are offered free
[35:33] of charge
[35:34] as an add-on and that is how the
[35:38] applicants have presented
[35:40] the food pairing for you today
[35:44] next item um that i'll mention is the
[35:47] use of the outdoor space and the
[35:48] applicants would like to use
[35:50] 16 seats in that interior courtyard and
[35:54] they'd be
[35:54] for use during the daily hours of so up
[35:57] until
[35:58] 6 pm in the winter and 7 pm in the
[36:00] summer
[36:01] and potentially until 9 00 pm on the 14
[36:04] days that they may hold a special event
[36:09] and the applicant's project narrative i
[36:10] have to admit came in at the 11th hour
[36:12] and without prior notification to staff
[36:14] so we didn't have much of a chance to
[36:17] analyze it and the staff report although
[36:19] we did note the
[36:21] um some concerns with parking and
[36:25] outdoor seating is considered a use area
[36:28] to which the parking standard should be
[36:30] applied
[36:31] and in this case there's no unallocated
[36:34] spaces in this
[36:35] and the lot that could be used um for
[36:38] this expansion of use but there are a
[36:40] number of options to
[36:41] open to the town council and considering
[36:43] this one is you could deny the outdoor
[36:45] use for failure to
[36:47] meet the town's parking standard
[36:50] you could grant a reduction in the
[36:52] number of required parking spaces based
[36:54] on the provision of the auntville
[36:56] municipal code that grants the council
[36:58] the authority to
[37:00] increase or decrease the number of
[37:01] parking
[37:03] one of the reasons that you could
[37:04] consider would be that this is a joint
[37:06] parking facility
[37:08] and then you could consider whether the
[37:10] program that allows existing tasting
[37:12] rooms to expand
[37:13] to outdoor use areas without providing
[37:16] additional parking whether that should
[37:17] be applied to this project
[37:19] however i caution that that program that
[37:21] i referenced and that was
[37:22] applied to jcb census recently when they
[37:25] received
[37:26] approval for outdoor seating is that it
[37:29] applies to existing rather than new
[37:30] tasting rooms
[37:33] and so those are options before you if
[37:35] the council does allow the outdoor use
[37:38] the applicant would be required to
[37:40] satisfy requirements of the
[37:42] department of alcoholic beverage control
[37:45] as to
[37:46] control of the space they would have to
[37:48] provide safe
[37:49] and adequate ada access past the tables
[37:52] and through the courtyard
[37:53] and there's a condition to that effect
[37:56] it could only use the outdoor
[37:57] area for regular operations until six or
[38:00] seven depending on the time of year
[38:02] until nine for the 14 special events and
[38:05] at this intensity the outdoor youth
[38:07] is consistent with the standards for the
[38:09] district for the primary commercial
[38:11] zoning district
[38:12] and staff would not anticipate any
[38:14] concerns um
[38:15] even related to noise given these
[38:17] parameters
[38:20] so the last item i will touch upon is
[38:22] employee
[38:23] staffing and the associated parking
[38:27] impact
[38:28] and the applicant asserts that it only
[38:30] needs two employees from
[38:32] from monday through thursday with four
[38:34] for the friday saturday and sunday
[38:36] weekend times
[38:37] to serve 20 indoor seats and 16 outdoor
[38:40] seats
[38:41] and based on the staffing models for
[38:44] different tasting rooms staff
[38:46] believes this number may be no low when
[38:48] we've pressed the applicant on it
[38:50] they're
[38:51] they've assured us that these numbers
[38:53] are correct so we have included some
[38:55] conditions of approval
[38:56] to address this one of which requires
[38:59] them to enroll
[39:00] employees in the employee parking
[39:02] management program
[39:04] and then to submit certified
[39:07] employee payroll records so that staff
[39:09] can track whether the employee account
[39:11] is
[39:13] steady or whether it's increasing if we
[39:16] find that
[39:17] employment is growing an option is to
[39:21] include those additional employees in
[39:23] the employee parking management
[39:24] program and to designate spaces
[39:28] in the on-site lot for them to park if
[39:30] we find that that number grows
[39:32] at a greater rate than anticipated there
[39:35] is
[39:36] an option to allow them to park off-site
[39:39] and spaces designated by the town and
[39:41] the right-of-way and subject to the
[39:43] payment of that fee for an off-site
[39:44] parking space so
[39:46] those are some of the different options
[39:47] to deal with the staffing
[39:50] but the applicants are all here to
[39:51] answer any questions that you have of
[39:53] them
[39:54] and i'm available as well thank you
[39:57] thank you sandra i'll ask the counsel
[39:59] for questions
[40:00] of your staff report before i open the
[40:02] hearing and hear from
[40:03] our guests so any members of the council
[40:06] have questions for
[40:07] sandra vice mayor go ahead
[40:12] thank you thank you director liston for
[40:14] the report
[40:16] um this is a very interesting project it
[40:19] has a lot of moving parts that we don't
[40:21] typically see
[40:23] i would just like to warn you in advance
[40:26] i
[40:27] will have a number of questions tonight
[40:29] many of them i have gone over with
[40:31] director
[40:32] liston so i expect it will go smoothly
[40:34] but i just want to confirm some things
[40:37] so on the number of tasting rooms in
[40:40] town
[40:40] um we are
[40:44] uh at 14 this would make 15
[40:48] and this use permit were we to approve
[40:52] it would run with the land
[40:54] and so it would be a tasting room and
[40:56] less than until that use is abandoned
[40:58] correct
[40:59] that is crap and the gerard tasting room
[41:03] should it not change use
[41:04] will continue as a tasting room which
[41:06] would put us at 15.
[41:09] that is right yeah
[41:13] now the arena aspect of it
[41:18] does arena still have a town business
[41:20] license
[41:23] i do not know the answer to that um they
[41:26] did when they were located in town here
[41:28] um so they may not okay and would they
[41:31] they would need one though if they were
[41:32] if
[41:33] this all were to coalesce together
[41:36] yes if they were conducting business by
[41:38] doing retail sales out of cornerstone
[41:41] yes would trigger a business license
[41:46] um the reception area
[41:50] looks like it has four seats planned uh
[41:54] are those counted as tasting room seats
[41:57] how do we control that or do we count
[42:00] those or not
[42:03] they are represented in the applicant's
[42:05] package to be
[42:06] a waiting area and reception area
[42:09] um i don't know if anything would
[42:12] prohibit them from using that for
[42:14] hastings unless it's included as a
[42:16] prohibition in the
[42:17] um in the resolution and one reason
[42:21] i say that is that the parking standard
[42:23] for the
[42:24] use is based on a retail standard which
[42:26] is one space for every 350
[42:29] 300 square feet of floor area rather
[42:32] than the number of seats provided
[42:35] okay and um we have 11 spaces currently
[42:40] to jcb correct for pre-bay and for the
[42:44] jcb tasting room
[42:46] that's correct yes and that includes
[42:50] uh not that many meetings ago
[42:53] we allowed under uh our 20 2017
[42:57] resolution
[42:58] we allowed jcb 10 seats on their patio
[43:02] without additional parking
[43:06] so that 11 includes those is going to
[43:09] take care of those additional 10 seats
[43:11] we believe
[43:12] because we allowed that we also have 11
[43:17] that were included in that 2017
[43:19] resolution
[43:20] that they were already using some level
[43:22] of outdoor space
[43:23] that they wouldn't have an increased
[43:25] employee count and there were a number
[43:27] of factors that
[43:28] were supported that there wasn't an
[43:30] increased parking demand because of that
[43:33] and then we have 11 spaces for railway
[43:36] in and mini model are those legal
[43:40] non-conforming or do those do we have
[43:43] sufficient right now for all of those
[43:45] under our current codes
[43:48] i couldn't address that because i'm i
[43:51] don't recall how many rooms they have
[43:53] but i believe it is conforming to code
[43:57] okay um and i believe i read
[44:02] my understanding is that is correct they
[44:04] have the minimum amount necessary
[44:06] for their activities thank you
[44:10] um and i read in your um
[44:13] staff report that for the interior only
[44:17] of this including the cornerstone
[44:20] tina stevens and the spa we would need
[44:24] uh 12.6 parking spaces which we round up
[44:28] to 13
[44:29] and there are 12 currently available
[44:33] that is right yes so technically one
[44:36] short not counting the 16 outdoor seats
[44:41] crap um i know you mentioned the outdoor
[44:45] tables
[44:46] i walked back there today i can see that
[44:49] there would be room to pass
[44:51] how who is in control of where the
[44:54] tables go
[44:59] that would be the applicant working with
[45:01] the landlord to designate a space on the
[45:03] property that
[45:04] um is acceptable in terms of the lease
[45:07] but then
[45:07] to maintain enough space for the ada
[45:10] access
[45:10] so that's obviously a shared space back
[45:12] there and it grants access to a number
[45:14] of different businesses
[45:17] and then there would be bottle oh sorry
[45:21] so i didn't hear the end i'm saying the
[45:24] town wouldn't necessarily be involved in
[45:26] it because we won't be processing a
[45:27] building permit for
[45:28] any outdoor areas
[45:32] okay so that's a landlord tenant issue
[45:35] um and there will be bottle and glass
[45:37] service allowed
[45:39] on the outside in the outside seating
[45:41] should it be approved
[45:44] yeah with food pairings should the
[45:47] tasting room offer that
[45:51] yeah and we are not when we look at
[45:53] parking we are not counting any needs
[45:55] for arena
[45:57] employees is that correct
[46:01] i understand there are no separate arena
[46:03] employees that it's
[46:05] conducted by the cornerstone youth and
[46:07] the
[46:08] the retail is just part of the overall
[46:10] retail operation
[46:12] it is an additive on top of that
[46:15] and so i think that's been answered
[46:22] and this may be um could we as a
[46:26] condition of approval
[46:28] uh require keeping the 38 percent retail
[46:37] i think that that can be included as a
[46:39] condition of approval to
[46:41] consider a new use for the property
[46:44] given the fact that we're losing a long
[46:46] time
[46:47] retail use yes and could we
[46:50] also as a condition of approval keep
[46:53] these separate entrance
[46:54] and signage requirements
[46:58] keep those as requirements yeah
[47:05] and for special events those
[47:08] are i know they have to get a permit
[47:10] well i believe they have to get a permit
[47:12] and that
[47:12] permit is uh informed or governed by
[47:16] what is in their narrative correct
[47:18] there'll be this many people
[47:20] no later than this that all goes back to
[47:23] the narrative that's included in this
[47:25] packet
[47:27] yes um with the clarification so we have
[47:30] a condition of approval that they
[47:32] report on the specifics of special
[47:35] events to town staff
[47:36] so that we can condition any aspect of
[47:38] use to run more smoothly
[47:41] it might be something to designate an
[47:43] area for
[47:45] less drop off something like that
[47:48] but it's simply reporting to staff they
[47:50] don't technically need
[47:51] a special event permit governed by the
[47:53] provisions of the
[47:54] municipal code that's for a gathering of
[47:57] 200 or more people
[47:59] so as long as there's some level of
[48:01] communication and reporting
[48:03] that would satisfy the requirement on
[48:05] our end
[48:06] so they would report in advance i'm
[48:08] going to have on
[48:09] june 15th x event
[48:12] yeah okay thank you very much i
[48:16] appreciate it
[48:18] thank you councilmember knight your hand
[48:20] is raised
[48:22] thank you mayor and thank you vice mayor
[48:24] for your questions
[48:26] um so i had a few questions i
[48:29] did pose a couple questions to
[48:32] our the our planning director and i
[48:36] and one of the first things that
[48:37] eventually i would like to come back and
[48:38] maybe talk with with council is
[48:40] your your points about a condition that
[48:43] may be
[48:44] um important to add that this is kind of
[48:46] a unique setting where most other
[48:49] wine tasting rooms that had uh a retail
[48:52] uh diversity added to their to their
[48:55] open space they
[48:57] they seem to control that product and in
[48:59] this condition it's a
[49:01] it's a separate that while there it's a
[49:03] separate business sharing the space so i
[49:05] think it's important to
[49:06] maybe for us to consider a condition of
[49:09] a timeline
[49:10] if that's secondary uh retail
[49:14] uh left uh um you know timeline for
[49:18] replacing that use um and i think that
[49:20] would be a good idea
[49:22] um i also walked the area today and
[49:26] um notice in terms of uh i hear that
[49:29] i understand what the vice mayor is
[49:31] saying about the space but also walking
[49:33] in the back parking lot
[49:34] i can see that there there is a garbage
[49:36] enclosure there
[49:38] that um appears to
[49:41] uh you know there's there is some uh
[49:43] waste containers there
[49:45] but it appears it seems to me we're
[49:47] moving to a lot of higher use
[49:49] that we with census leaving that's a
[49:52] retail space we're going to see a
[49:54] another business that has uh bottles and
[49:58] some food um
[50:01] for the planning director as a part of
[50:04] condition
[50:05] can we uh do we know how often
[50:08] uh there's garbage service there to
[50:11] create enough
[50:12] containers especially as the weekend is
[50:15] friday comes along and they have a busy
[50:17] week weekend is trash
[50:20] put out front like many businesses and
[50:22] the recycling is just in the back or
[50:24] you think we need additional
[50:29] service on that site
[50:33] i don't know how often trash and
[50:35] recycling are
[50:36] collected from that facility the
[50:38] enclosure is
[50:39] off of the rear parking lot so it occurs
[50:41] off of the
[50:42] the mulberry extension i think that we
[50:46] could include a condition
[50:48] that the
[50:51] upper valley disposal collect at
[50:54] on a frequency so that it doesn't back
[50:56] up and create a problem
[50:58] or even add additional pickups if
[51:00] necessary is there
[51:01] other garbage service or waste service
[51:03] put out front
[51:04] for those current businesses or is it
[51:06] all stored and collected in the back
[51:09] property it's all stored and collected
[51:13] in the enclosure at the rear
[51:17] and i thought that they were dumpsters
[51:19] but it sounds like you're referencing
[51:21] toters that are on washington well i'm
[51:24] just not sure if i mean if that's done
[51:25] as well as i notice there's a large
[51:27] container
[51:28] in the rear parking for probably bottles
[51:30] and recycling
[51:32] but i anticipate i would anticipate
[51:34] there'd be a lot more
[51:35] waste food waste and and other
[51:38] and more bottles and so i would want to
[51:41] be sure we were
[51:43] creating a situation that it may be
[51:45] worth considering a condition to be sure
[51:47] there's enough
[51:49] uh visits by upper valley disposal to
[51:51] take care of that waste
[51:53] uh so we i'm council member um
[51:57] i think town manager rogers is gonna uh
[51:59] speak to this so we have to be very
[52:00] careful about conjecture about how much
[52:02] waste is being
[52:04] uh and how it's being distributed so
[52:05] steve if you have the actual facts
[52:08] that would be helpful i have a in
[52:10] following the thought line
[52:12] by observation they do bring out toters
[52:15] on monday and put them in the
[52:17] street right away so it could be that we
[52:20] have a condition to evaluate whether
[52:23] they should based on the the new um
[52:26] waste load look at going to bins
[52:31] and or we could also include a
[52:33] requirement that the toters
[52:35] if used are placed on mulberry and not
[52:38] in the parking spaces on washington so
[52:41] those are something for the council's
[52:42] consideration
[52:44] steve are you sure are those bins still
[52:46] out there since the atelier
[52:47] uh went away yes it wasn't it wasn't
[52:50] associated with the food products
[52:52] the no because uh those were all
[52:55] intermingled with the jcb
[52:58] waste stream so it it might be reduced a
[53:01] bit
[53:01] since atelier went away but the toters
[53:04] are still out there both on the
[53:06] uh especially the recycling and brown
[53:09] toters
[53:10] okay uh continue council member night
[53:12] yeah thank you
[53:13] amir i it was just observation and some
[53:16] conversations with people on site that
[53:18] that there there is there is
[53:22] a lot of recycling occurring um now
[53:25] without the current applicants
[53:28] adding to it so i think it's something
[53:30] worth considering for a condition
[53:33] um another one quickly is um
[53:36] another one is our economic recovery
[53:38] program this is a new business but we
[53:41] have
[53:41] a program that will allow businesses to
[53:44] exceed their use permit
[53:46] through june of 2022 is a new
[53:50] question for whoever would not answer it
[53:53] is there
[53:54] an allowance for a new business in town
[53:56] to use that
[53:58] um that um opportunity or is it
[54:01] something
[54:02] we can condition um condition
[54:06] uh and address in in the the use
[54:08] conditions for this application
[54:11] council member intended to address
[54:14] existing businesses when coveted hit
[54:16] so we could include a condition um
[54:19] addressing that in some manner
[54:20] today so it's
[54:24] the economic program it's really was
[54:25] designed for businesses in place
[54:27] and so uh in reviewing this use permit
[54:30] we could add a condition to
[54:33] uh to uh restrict their use of that
[54:36] program
[54:36] is that you're saying sandra
[54:40] yeah okay thank you um the other one is
[54:44] just
[54:44] uh consideration the fact that this is
[54:46] an historic building
[54:48] and that there will be new signage and
[54:50] um
[54:51] i'm not sure what our signage uh rules
[54:54] are
[54:54] currently but i would hope that a
[54:56] condition would be that these signs
[54:58] um um are historic that when they're
[55:03] when their new signs are put up that
[55:04] they're historic that they match the
[55:06] character of the building that we don't
[55:07] see internally lit
[55:09] signage that if they are lit they're lit
[55:11] in a
[55:12] uh you know from lighting that's
[55:15] projecting back but
[55:16] um and so i just want to be sure that
[55:19] whatever
[55:20] changes there are in terms of that in
[55:21] the front setbacks of this building that
[55:24] we honor the
[55:25] historic character of the building
[55:30] and um maybe just the last question
[55:33] would be
[55:34] um about parking a general um a general
[55:37] question about parking again and
[55:38] employees that
[55:39] um the planning director if you could
[55:41] just address again quickly
[55:43] so as i said it it appears we there is
[55:46] an intensification of use because
[55:48] this is a wine tasting versus a retail
[55:50] that was there before
[55:53] what are the options that we consider
[55:55] again if we understand that there will
[55:58] be
[55:59] the employee parking might exceed the
[56:03] current allowances
[56:04] what are our options to allow the use
[56:09] if uh if those employees
[56:12] the number of employees do increase in
[56:14] the future
[56:16] um first i would just clarify that we
[56:19] wouldn't consider this an
[56:21] intensification of use but a change in
[56:23] use
[56:24] and that at least from a from a parking
[56:27] perspective it's the same
[56:28] parking standard that applies with that
[56:31] said however
[56:32] this business may have a higher staffing
[56:35] that relates
[56:36] that results in a greater impact to
[56:39] on-site and off-site parking and so as
[56:42] part of the employee parking management
[56:44] program
[56:44] we have options on how we manage that
[56:48] based on the number of employees that
[56:50] they've represented in the application
[56:52] we believe that all of those
[56:53] can be met on site
[56:56] during the shift if those numbers
[57:00] increase we could include a conditional
[57:03] condition that they purchase in on one
[57:06] or more off-site spaces and designate
[57:08] where those are
[57:09] to be parked so just to clarify
[57:13] if we're concerned about that then it's
[57:15] important that we add a condition
[57:17] that they may be subject to the offside
[57:20] parking requirement
[57:21] if they exceed the number of employees
[57:23] that needs to be a condition
[57:25] in the in the use permit
[57:29] i think we'd want to clarify yes all
[57:32] right
[57:32] thank you mayor thank you councillor
[57:36] doernbecher
[57:38] thank you and um thank you for the
[57:41] thorough questioning um it's it's very
[57:45] helpful
[57:46] i did want to ask uh sandra if there
[57:49] is a possibility that you know we the
[57:54] um program that we have under the rescue
[57:57] program
[57:58] to help the businesses in town
[58:03] i i feel it's restrictive if we restrict
[58:06] this new business because
[58:08] they are starting off um in a
[58:10] disadvantaged time too
[58:12] and so i i don't know that it would be
[58:16] uh necessary to restrict their
[58:19] participation in having the outdoor
[58:22] seating
[58:23] through june of 2022
[58:26] like the other businesses so
[58:29] that's something i'd like to bring up
[58:31] for our discussion when we get there
[58:33] but is it possible that we could include
[58:36] them in that program
[58:39] yes you are free to discuss that tonight
[58:41] and see what
[58:42] parameters you want to put on the
[58:43] cornerstone use if approved
[58:46] okay and um
[58:49] garbage collection i'm i'm
[58:53] that particular corner i'd i've not
[58:55] noticed
[58:56] problems with the toters being out and
[58:59] left out and all of that because
[59:01] it is such a busy uh business section
[59:04] so anyway thank you
[59:09] thank you councilman dorenbecker uh i
[59:12] don't see any of the council hands so
[59:13] i'm going to
[59:15] ask a couple things of staff and then
[59:17] we'll get to our
[59:18] public hearing in the guests first of
[59:21] all sandra are you comfortable with
[59:23] the food pairings as
[59:28] proposed in compliance with our
[59:31] our current ordinance in terms of bite
[59:33] size pairings and
[59:35] secondary not no menu selections and all
[59:38] that
[59:38] you feel like that whole program is
[59:40] compliant
[59:42] yes i do feel like it's that it
[59:44] satisfies the four different
[59:46] standards in that definition i think it
[59:48] does go beyond what we're seeing at
[59:50] other tasting rooms and it has
[59:52] um and because of that it's worth a
[59:55] discussion at the council too
[59:57] just to um really for staff to have
[59:59] feedback for
[1:00:00] future instances um but
[1:00:04] they do have that bite-sized quality
[1:00:06] even if it's a tiny bit larger
[1:00:08] um and they you know there are four of
[1:00:11] these prepared for four specific wines
[1:00:14] you can't get it purchased outside of a
[1:00:16] wine tasting so yes i do feel like it
[1:00:19] satisfies that standards just in a more
[1:00:21] unique way
[1:00:23] yeah i i agree with how you're reading
[1:00:25] that i want to just confirm that with
[1:00:27] you because
[1:00:28] i've said uh numerous times before uh
[1:00:31] you know long gone are the days of
[1:00:33] oyster crackers and pretzels
[1:00:35] uh with food pairings and if you're
[1:00:37] gonna have
[1:00:39] elegant uh bites of food with your wine
[1:00:41] chasing you're going to do it in
[1:00:42] youngville
[1:00:43] of any places so i think it's quite
[1:00:46] reasonable
[1:00:46] i just wanted to confirm we have not had
[1:00:48] an outside restaurant
[1:00:50] as a partner for the food but it's
[1:00:53] really not about we've never really
[1:00:55] said where you should be preparing it we
[1:00:57] just said you can't prepare it on site
[1:00:59] so
[1:01:00] um you can you know kind of the last
[1:01:02] mile of prep
[1:01:03] on site but not actually cooking uh
[1:01:06] those kind of things so
[1:01:08] i agree that i think it's compliant a
[1:01:10] similar question related to their
[1:01:12] request for
[1:01:13] special events um mostly i'm
[1:01:16] anticipating
[1:01:17] uh club member events things like that
[1:01:20] you feel like
[1:01:21] all of that is uh in um it is consistent
[1:01:25] with what we
[1:01:26] are already doing with our other tasting
[1:01:28] rooms
[1:01:29] very much so and i would say that the
[1:01:32] the number of events requested by this
[1:01:33] applicant
[1:01:34] are far fewer than what other pacing
[1:01:37] rooms have requested and the council's
[1:01:38] approved
[1:01:39] those are more in the range of 30 or
[1:01:42] more a year
[1:01:43] so this seems reasonable yeah right
[1:01:46] thank you do we need to have any kind of
[1:01:50] traffic plan i know we've done that in
[1:01:52] some places where
[1:01:54] uh space is limited for those guests for
[1:01:57] parking
[1:01:58] do we need to include that as a
[1:02:00] condition for the largest of the special
[1:02:02] events
[1:02:02] that there is either some kind of
[1:02:04] shuttle program or off-site parking plan
[1:02:06] that's presented
[1:02:08] would that be consistent or not
[1:02:09] necessary
[1:02:11] we could add that specifically although
[1:02:13] i think i captured that in the condition
[1:02:15] that requires them
[1:02:16] to report on the details of each of the
[1:02:19] events and allows us to
[1:02:21] condition some type of plan or parking
[1:02:24] solution
[1:02:26] so you've got it covered it's what
[1:02:28] you're saying okay
[1:02:30] great so um there was a reference to um
[1:02:35] the total number of tasting rooms is 15
[1:02:37] in town
[1:02:38] um i want to be very careful that we are
[1:02:42] not
[1:02:43] putting the burden on any one particular
[1:02:45] business to
[1:02:46] determine whether the
[1:02:50] i will say the fair market is saturated
[1:02:54] or not
[1:02:55] to my knowledge we have never had a
[1:02:57] tasting room fail for a lack of business
[1:02:59] and i know that our applicant is very
[1:03:01] aware of having been here for
[1:03:03] some years prior in the same
[1:03:06] vicinity that it's not about
[1:03:10] a lack of business so much as control of
[1:03:14] sight in some cases in control of
[1:03:16] property
[1:03:18] so i just caution us to to go too far
[1:03:22] with considering
[1:03:25] when we don't really have any evidence
[1:03:26] that we have
[1:03:28] we have too many or enough we have not
[1:03:31] seen
[1:03:32] any fall short
[1:03:35] even i would say during the pandemic we
[1:03:38] have had an amazing survival rate of our
[1:03:40] businesses so
[1:03:41] i just bring that up for future
[1:03:43] consideration
[1:03:45] in terms of the outdoor seating there's
[1:03:48] no question
[1:03:49] it can be handled there's capacity there
[1:03:52] i know
[1:03:53] jcb did it for some months when they
[1:03:56] were
[1:03:57] extending in that backyard and they even
[1:03:59] had some areas tented
[1:04:01] but i guess the question is the impact
[1:04:04] on the parking
[1:04:06] to add those 16 seats so you're if i'm
[1:04:08] hearing you correctly from council
[1:04:10] member knights questioning
[1:04:12] or it might have been the vice mayor the
[1:04:14] 16
[1:04:15] additional outdoor seats would
[1:04:17] potentially cause a parking
[1:04:19] challenge without those as part of the
[1:04:24] permanent permit
[1:04:27] they are basically compliant with
[1:04:29] parking
[1:04:31] with the standard with the capacity
[1:04:33] minus the 16.
[1:04:35] so if the 16 outdoor seats or whatever
[1:04:37] number of outdoor seats
[1:04:39] came a different way than the
[1:04:43] i'll say basic use permit that we're
[1:04:46] discussing tonight
[1:04:48] like if they were added to the economic
[1:04:51] recovery program
[1:04:53] for a period right now that has been
[1:04:56] defined
[1:04:56] through june 30th of 2022
[1:05:00] that would be the possibility of finding
[1:05:03] out
[1:05:03] what might be the impacts without having
[1:05:06] added those 16 seats to the
[1:05:10] basic use permit conditions correct
[1:05:14] yes that could be a way to test impact
[1:05:17] okay and i just want to get some clarity
[1:05:21] and advise me i brought up something
[1:05:22] about 38
[1:05:23] retail requirement can you clarify
[1:05:26] and whether it's sandra you can do it or
[1:05:29] i'll ask the vice mayor
[1:05:31] what's the idea behind trying to require
[1:05:34] 38
[1:05:35] retail is at to recognize that this is a
[1:05:38] different
[1:05:39] business than the previous uses in that
[1:05:42] space
[1:05:46] lock in a higher percentage because
[1:05:50] of the loss of traditional retail from
[1:05:52] that space but i'll allow
[1:05:54] the vice mayor to clarify greater
[1:05:58] yes uh thank you that's basically it
[1:06:01] that this
[1:06:02] has historically this has been retail
[1:06:05] for quite some time
[1:06:06] and um especially this business model
[1:06:10] where there's a larger space and a
[1:06:11] sublease
[1:06:12] uh the two entrances uh yes
[1:06:16] i would like to see a condition in there
[1:06:19] to retain as much retail as they can
[1:06:22] and obviously this business plan i
[1:06:25] believe will work with 38
[1:06:27] and they are the lessee the retail is a
[1:06:29] sub lessee
[1:06:31] so that's where i'm going with it to
[1:06:34] maintain as much retail as we can
[1:06:35] and diversity and i believe that to be
[1:06:39] the case i did not want to assume
[1:06:41] uh that i was interpreting your
[1:06:43] statement correctly
[1:06:45] so with that uh sandra i'm trying to
[1:06:47] scroll but this computer is
[1:06:49] loading it slowly do we have a
[1:06:52] do you remember the percentage that the
[1:06:54] retail is
[1:06:56] as proposed the
[1:06:59] 25 is the requirement by the policy
[1:07:03] this applicant is proposing 38 and
[1:07:06] that's
[1:07:06] in the south um end of the building
[1:07:10] exclusively although they have
[1:07:12] interspersed
[1:07:13] retail throughout the tasting room
[1:07:14] itself so they i think they probably
[1:07:16] have even more than 38
[1:07:18] but 38 is just at 950 square feet at
[1:07:21] south end
[1:07:22] for tina stevens that's on the other
[1:07:25] side of the
[1:07:26] partition basically yeah so vice mayor
[1:07:29] are you saying that you just want to
[1:07:30] codify that 38 is that what you're
[1:07:32] saying
[1:07:32] in case there's a change in retail
[1:07:36] partnership yes i see
[1:07:39] okay now i've got it clear
[1:07:42] okay last question sandra have we
[1:07:46] i know that we have seen transition of
[1:07:48] use in
[1:07:51] other commercial spaces from let's say
[1:07:54] an antique
[1:07:55] shop or an art gallery and it's become
[1:07:58] a tasting room or some other kind of use
[1:08:02] have rather have we ever required
[1:08:05] a percentage of the previous use be
[1:08:07] obligated to the new use do you know
[1:08:12] no we've just applied the retail
[1:08:14] diversity policy according to its
[1:08:16] standards
[1:08:17] we haven't done an increased requirement
[1:08:21] okay and they're already with 38 they're
[1:08:24] well over the 25 that we
[1:08:25] have in our minimum requirement
[1:08:28] okay right okay those are my questions
[1:08:32] for now
[1:08:32] i don't see any other council hand so uh
[1:08:35] thank you for your patience
[1:08:36] uh guests and i will say to at least
[1:08:39] some of you welcome back
[1:08:41] uh to have this conversation in young
[1:08:44] phil
[1:08:44] uh i very much appreciate that you are
[1:08:48] interested in coming back and so uh i
[1:08:51] invite i'm not sure which of you is
[1:08:52] going to speak first um
[1:08:54] uh okay i see one hand uh kerry
[1:08:57] thank you um feel free to go ahead i'm
[1:09:00] gonna formally open the public hearing
[1:09:02] and and hear from the applicant and if
[1:09:04] there are
[1:09:05] more than one of you that's going to
[1:09:07] speak just uh please
[1:09:09] respect the length of time but we uh
[1:09:11] you're our only public hearing tonight
[1:09:12] so
[1:09:13] please go ahead well i appreciate that
[1:09:16] first of all i want to say really thank
[1:09:17] you very much
[1:09:18] mayor dunbar vice mayor dorman and
[1:09:20] council members
[1:09:21] uh mueller doernbecher and knight thank
[1:09:24] you for the opportunity
[1:09:25] for reviewing our application and for
[1:09:27] your consideration
[1:09:29] um i'm carrie arnger and i'm the
[1:09:31] winemaker for cornerstone sellers
[1:09:34] off and on since 2006 i also
[1:09:37] am the general manager now for
[1:09:39] cornerstone sellers
[1:09:41] so i'll be doing both of those i have
[1:09:42] both those hats on today i think my
[1:09:44] general manager hat is on
[1:09:46] we also have two other people joining us
[1:09:48] dr mike droguetsky
[1:09:50] um the proprietor of cornerstone sellers
[1:09:53] uh since we
[1:09:54] flung our doors open in 1991 um to this
[1:09:57] month actually is our 30 year
[1:09:58] anniversary
[1:09:59] of making wine in napa valley and then
[1:10:03] we're also
[1:10:04] lynne prescott is our director of
[1:10:06] operations um and we wouldn't be
[1:10:08] anywhere without her so she's on the
[1:10:09] call as well
[1:10:11] i'm just going to go through a quick
[1:10:12] little overview of cornerstone for those
[1:10:14] of you that don't know us all that well
[1:10:15] and
[1:10:16] mike and lynn are here to answer
[1:10:19] questions
[1:10:19] if there's any other questions so um
[1:10:21] really i'm the only one that's going to
[1:10:23] do just a short little presentation most
[1:10:25] of you probably know cornerstone
[1:10:27] from us having been here from oa to 2017
[1:10:32] when we left downville we opened up a
[1:10:34] taste room in downtown napa and we have
[1:10:36] been dying to get back to youngville
[1:10:37] ever since so we were lucky that this
[1:10:40] opportunity
[1:10:41] um has come forth and we're super
[1:10:44] excited to be coming back home
[1:10:46] so this is great thank you this is just
[1:10:48] a little um
[1:10:50] presentation that we um that that i put
[1:10:53] together just to hit the high points
[1:10:54] in the narrative that i submitted which
[1:10:57] i know you all have
[1:10:58] and have probably read so if you just
[1:11:00] want to
[1:11:02] flip the slide
[1:11:05] there's a there's an overview again 1991
[1:11:08] dr mike droguetsky and a friend of his
[1:11:10] came up to
[1:11:11] visit randy dunn up on howell mountain
[1:11:13] and decided that getting into the wine
[1:11:15] business was a grand idea
[1:11:17] and we've been making howland mountain
[1:11:19] cabernet since 1991.
[1:11:22] again we were in youngville from 0a to
[1:11:24] 2017. 2017
[1:11:25] in the space that jcb now has our
[1:11:28] business model does rely primarily on
[1:11:30] direct-to-consumer sales
[1:11:32] on-site sales and wine club memberships
[1:11:36] so this is really an ideal spot for us
[1:11:38] if you look at the traffic and the
[1:11:39] demographics and
[1:11:40] you know you you know you know who's
[1:11:42] coming to youngville and
[1:11:43] um i believe that our product and our
[1:11:45] brand suits suits that um
[1:11:47] beautifully we uh craft four wines
[1:11:50] in total and um seven of them are direct
[1:11:53] to consumer
[1:11:54] they're only available in the tasting
[1:11:56] room um and you can get them on the
[1:11:58] website as a club member
[1:11:59] we also have for the wines we make a
[1:12:01] little bit more of that and that does go
[1:12:03] out to
[1:12:03] a couple of key markets in the united
[1:12:05] states we're in texas
[1:12:06] um tennessee of course where uh
[1:12:10] uh dr durgetsky and his wife live um
[1:12:14] and in california of course so what i
[1:12:16] love about it though is we
[1:12:17] source from some really top-notch
[1:12:20] vineyards in napa valley
[1:12:22] we primarily make the wines from napa
[1:12:24] valley sub avias calistoga rutherford
[1:12:26] oakville
[1:12:27] and soon to be out phil we have a
[1:12:29] vineyard coming online this year that's
[1:12:31] out if that's young phil so we're
[1:12:32] very excited about that little slide
[1:12:36] there we go
[1:12:36] uh in the community you know um when we
[1:12:39] were
[1:12:40] here in young phil before we were just
[1:12:42] really good neighbors i wasn't um
[1:12:44] acting as general manager then i was the
[1:12:46] wine maker but we were always being uh
[1:12:49] asked requested if we would participate
[1:12:51] and lynn has been here all that time and
[1:12:53] lin's just said yes
[1:12:55] yep what do you need what are you going
[1:12:56] to do so we have loved
[1:12:58] participating um with all the events
[1:13:01] that are going on
[1:13:03] in youngville we've contributed to the
[1:13:05] veterans home and to the events
[1:13:07] they've done we actually i think we'll
[1:13:09] probably have some folks at the veterans
[1:13:11] home that will be pretty happy that
[1:13:12] we're back
[1:13:13] they would stop in on a regular basis
[1:13:16] our staff knew them
[1:13:17] they would come in and get a splash of
[1:13:18] this and just come and chat and it was
[1:13:21] just really
[1:13:22] great having them um be a part of our
[1:13:24] community
[1:13:25] and then cornerstone was one of the um
[1:13:28] fire donation centers
[1:13:29] when they had the middleton fire and i
[1:13:32] did walk into the taste room a couple of
[1:13:33] times and really could barely get around
[1:13:35] there was so much outpouring of
[1:13:37] support and food and and fire supply so
[1:13:40] cornerstone then managed to get those to
[1:13:42] where those people needed that most so
[1:13:45] we look forward to really being back
[1:13:46] into the tight-knit community
[1:13:48] that young phil is that we haven't
[1:13:50] really experienced in in napa
[1:13:55] i am actually very excited about this um
[1:13:58] team stevens
[1:13:59] they have a great product um i'm
[1:14:02] actually a customer
[1:14:03] i have some of their clothes on today um
[1:14:05] they're
[1:14:06] high quality they're um well made
[1:14:09] and they're affordable and i think
[1:14:12] they're gonna be a really great
[1:14:14] asset for town i think we'll have people
[1:14:16] coming actually from
[1:14:18] all parts of the valley to come in and
[1:14:19] shop here you can go to their website
[1:14:22] they've got a really broad selection of
[1:14:24] clothing
[1:14:25] it's one size fits most most of them
[1:14:28] and which is great i'm super tall and
[1:14:30] like
[1:14:31] i i actually i love these clothes um
[1:14:34] i've been working with tina now for
[1:14:36] we've been working on this a couple of
[1:14:37] months and she's great
[1:14:39] she's salt of the earth but a good
[1:14:42] business person
[1:14:42] she's got locations in some very very
[1:14:45] high-end towns
[1:14:46] um they're in palm desert they're in um
[1:14:50] st simon island down in georgia so
[1:14:53] they've got a track record and they've
[1:14:55] been incredibly successful
[1:14:57] so i'm i'm very excited to have them be
[1:15:00] part of our project and while they'll
[1:15:03] occupy
[1:15:04] the southern end of the building we have
[1:15:07] designated a couple of spots where
[1:15:08] they're going to do some merchandising
[1:15:10] and be able to put some other
[1:15:11] um there's one window in particular that
[1:15:14] we're going to use for them on our
[1:15:15] that's kind of in our main tasting area
[1:15:18] so that they can
[1:15:19] we can do some merchandising there so
[1:15:22] and they're just
[1:15:23] super easy to work with we we love them
[1:15:25] so
[1:15:26] that's the tina stevens piece of it next
[1:15:29] one
[1:15:31] uh arena gallery um our
[1:15:35] director of marketing matt is actually
[1:15:37] has worked with arena in the past
[1:15:40] and they were anxious to come on board
[1:15:42] we
[1:15:43] originally thought that maybe it would
[1:15:45] take care of a part of our retail
[1:15:47] piece but tina stevens really fits the
[1:15:49] bill um
[1:15:50] much more you know really what we were
[1:15:52] looking for but
[1:15:54] we actually also want to work with them
[1:15:55] so we'll have
[1:15:57] some wall space that's dedicated and if
[1:15:59] you look on the site plan you can see
[1:16:00] there are some
[1:16:01] pedestals where we'll be able to place
[1:16:03] some art
[1:16:04] they don't have a staff person that
[1:16:06] would be in our space
[1:16:08] um each of the pieces of art has a qrp
[1:16:11] code on it you can take your phone
[1:16:13] and you can just click that and it tells
[1:16:14] you all the information and the artist
[1:16:16] and all that
[1:16:17] and then we have the hotline so we will
[1:16:20] have someone that we have someone that
[1:16:21] is interested in the art that we have
[1:16:23] someone from arena galleries
[1:16:24] that will that will jump in and be able
[1:16:26] to close be able to close that deal
[1:16:29] so that's that's how that would work the
[1:16:31] arena uh gallery piece
[1:16:34] the next one and then the hospitality
[1:16:37] and i know um
[1:16:39] this is a we've had lots of discussion
[1:16:40] about it already and we'll probably have
[1:16:42] some more
[1:16:43] um and what i wanted to clarify is we
[1:16:45] offer a set flight
[1:16:47] of wines and if there is uh cheese or
[1:16:50] charcuterie offered it is
[1:16:52] a cheese that is specifically paired for
[1:16:54] one wine so
[1:16:55] if you like look at the four flights in
[1:16:57] the in the lower tier the fifteen dollar
[1:17:01] curated cheese plate that we get from
[1:17:02] gary's which
[1:17:04] um they've actually been great working
[1:17:06] through this pandemic with us because
[1:17:07] those
[1:17:08] they all come individually wrapped and
[1:17:10] so the guest actually
[1:17:12] opens them up they don't even get we
[1:17:15] don't even touch them
[1:17:16] they don't even need to be prepped at
[1:17:17] all they come in and and the guests just
[1:17:19] to take the lid off of them and
[1:17:21] and there they are and they can't be
[1:17:23] purchased without a flight that's
[1:17:24] that's not what we're doing we actually
[1:17:26] are trying to enhance uh the wines and
[1:17:28] have people have an experience
[1:17:31] um and then the same with the
[1:17:32] charcuterie platter um
[1:17:34] currently a no tree restaurant is doing
[1:17:36] that for us and the chef's very familiar
[1:17:38] with our wines
[1:17:39] we sit down with him if we switch a wine
[1:17:41] out of the flight then we sit down and
[1:17:43] we pick a new piece
[1:17:44] of charcuterie or salumi that goes with
[1:17:47] the wine in particular as we're changing
[1:17:50] vintages or or
[1:17:51] swapping out on our wine tasting
[1:17:54] list so then there's the and then so
[1:17:57] that's our those are our two signature
[1:17:58] flights
[1:17:59] oh and then the other couple of pictures
[1:18:01] at the bottom um we also have some
[1:18:03] um a curated uh assortment of nuts that
[1:18:06] um we we actually supply when people are
[1:18:09] tasting if they're not gonna order
[1:18:11] and don't want to do a tasting
[1:18:15] the tasting bites they we've got nuts
[1:18:17] that we can
[1:18:18] offer them as well and then the other
[1:18:20] thing we have are some curated spices
[1:18:23] we work with winemakers pantry and they
[1:18:26] have done custom spices for sauvignon
[1:18:28] blanc or for pinot noir and
[1:18:30] and it's sharon de monte and she sits
[1:18:32] down with our wines and they
[1:18:33] she's paired those to go exactly with
[1:18:35] their wines i've been using for carrie's
[1:18:37] kitchen
[1:18:38] we do carries kitchen live on facebook
[1:18:40] and instagram every thursday and so
[1:18:42] we've been doing a lot of cooking with
[1:18:43] the
[1:18:44] spices and they've grown very popular so
[1:18:47] and then the next one
[1:18:48] that might be it one more yep then
[1:18:51] that's this is the last part so
[1:18:53] and i know this has come up as well and
[1:18:55] this is the
[1:18:56] um food and wine pairing experience we
[1:18:59] have four bites that
[1:19:00] are paired exactly um with the wines in
[1:19:04] fact i've
[1:19:05] supplied those little print outs in with
[1:19:07] with our narrative
[1:19:09] so we know exactly the hamachi crudo
[1:19:11] goes with the sauvignon blanc
[1:19:12] and we know the arancini goes with the
[1:19:15] pinot noir
[1:19:16] so just just to be clear that they
[1:19:18] really are for that specific wine
[1:19:21] they have to be ordered in advance um
[1:19:23] our tastings are forty dollars
[1:19:25] a flight and it adds another forty
[1:19:27] dollars on so it's eighty dollars a
[1:19:28] person
[1:19:29] um to do the no tree the wine of food
[1:19:32] pairing and again
[1:19:33] by by uh reservation only
[1:19:36] so they've been very successful we would
[1:19:39] love to do this in yonkville
[1:19:41] um with and it says yet to be determined
[1:19:44] local shelf
[1:19:45] chef because logistically i'm not sure
[1:19:48] how we'll work that out yet
[1:19:49] it worked down in napa because we were
[1:19:51] in the same courtyard with the notre
[1:19:53] restaurant
[1:19:54] and they just walked it over from their
[1:19:55] kitchen so
[1:19:57] we have yet to to figure out the
[1:19:59] logistics on that but
[1:20:00] i'm sure the team will do that and we
[1:20:03] plan to keep it the same
[1:20:04] the same four wines and then the same
[1:20:06] type of nibbles
[1:20:08] at the same price point so that's
[1:20:11] so that's my that's my little overview
[1:20:15] great thank you very much are there any
[1:20:17] questions from council
[1:20:19] about the applicant's presentation so
[1:20:22] far
[1:20:23] uh yes i think i s did i see councilman
[1:20:27] becker reaching for you know what i'm
[1:20:29] sorry mayor can i interrupt for just one
[1:20:30] second
[1:20:31] go ahead um tina stevens actually wanted
[1:20:34] to be here
[1:20:35] on the on this zoom today they're
[1:20:37] traveling to italy to work with their
[1:20:39] manufacturers but she did send a little
[1:20:41] video clip and i don't know if we can
[1:20:42] play it
[1:20:43] but she'd love just it's just a minute
[1:20:45] and or so
[1:20:47] if not that's fine i will turn to it
[1:20:49] looks like
[1:20:50] either eddie or uh
[1:20:54] there she is it looks like it i just
[1:20:57] want to take a minute to introduce
[1:20:58] myself i'm so sorry
[1:21:00] that i can't be there with you today but
[1:21:02] i'm tina and i'm
[1:21:03] in our palm desert location right now
[1:21:06] i want to just give you a quick overview
[1:21:08] about what it is i do
[1:21:10] so in my boutiques i design everything
[1:21:12] that's in the boutiques the whole idea
[1:21:14] behind it is travel friendly lifestyle
[1:21:16] clothing however that
[1:21:18] kind of encompasses a big range really
[1:21:20] the most important thing
[1:21:21] is that we get to a certain point in
[1:21:22] life where you know what we want to look
[1:21:24] good but we're not willing to sacrifice
[1:21:26] comfort so yeah
[1:21:26] i do a lot of that kind of stuff nice
[1:21:29] stretchy comfortable and easy
[1:21:31] all of my my italian pieces my linens my
[1:21:35] cottons my silks
[1:21:36] all of that machine washable easy to
[1:21:38] care for the whole idea
[1:21:40] of what i like to try to provide is a
[1:21:43] high-end boutique service
[1:21:45] quality product but at a moderate price
[1:21:47] point
[1:21:48] so we have very very high-end clientele
[1:21:51] that enjoy that but our core customer
[1:21:54] are actually
[1:21:55] quite a few of our locals in all of our
[1:21:57] destinations where we're at
[1:21:59] and just your everyday customers that
[1:22:01] come in that really enjoy not only
[1:22:03] the traveling aspect but the versatility
[1:22:05] aspect
[1:22:06] of the clothing that i design as well as
[1:22:08] at moderate price point
[1:22:10] the service aspect is something that is
[1:22:12] very very important to me
[1:22:14] and because of that i like to show up
[1:22:17] personally
[1:22:18] when we open a new location so that i
[1:22:20] can make sure
[1:22:21] our staff is trained to give the service
[1:22:24] that our customers have come to expect
[1:22:26] from us because our customers do travel
[1:22:27] location to location and we'll come see
[1:22:29] us for example our palm desert customers
[1:22:32] have mentioned how they also travel up
[1:22:34] to yachtville
[1:22:35] and the wine region as well so we'd
[1:22:37] hopefully see some of those folks there
[1:22:39] in any case if we are fortunate enough
[1:22:42] to receive your approval i look forward
[1:22:43] to hopefully meeting all of you because
[1:22:45] i will be there
[1:22:46] personally to get that store up and
[1:22:48] running for a few months i'd like to get
[1:22:50] to know the community and like i said i
[1:22:51] like to ingrain our culture
[1:22:53] with our employees in each location so
[1:22:56] that our
[1:22:57] clients can have that same experience of
[1:23:00] a boutique
[1:23:01] boutique experience with a moderate
[1:23:03] price point
[1:23:04] and enjoyable clothing so looking
[1:23:06] forward to meeting you and thank you
[1:23:07] again for the time
[1:23:11] okay thank you i i see actually uh vice
[1:23:13] mayor
[1:23:14] dorman has her hand raised go ahead vice
[1:23:16] mayor
[1:23:17] um thank you for the presentation this
[1:23:20] project has
[1:23:21] a lot of um good things starting with
[1:23:24] your name because it's so
[1:23:26] almost like mine so i know just spelled
[1:23:28] a little differently
[1:23:30] that's right but um i do you did hear
[1:23:33] my questions and i appreciate to steph i
[1:23:35] appreciate you sitting through those
[1:23:37] um i'd like to follow up with you uh
[1:23:40] just on a couple of them
[1:23:41] the um cheese and chicuteri
[1:23:44] i i think i get the gist of it how far
[1:23:47] in
[1:23:48] advance do they have would a patron have
[1:23:51] to order
[1:23:52] 24 hours so even for the
[1:23:56] the 15 cheese plate 24 hours well
[1:23:59] well it's hard to say because of kobit
[1:24:01] um we've been having to do it so we're
[1:24:03] not
[1:24:03] having cheese go bad we just we've only
[1:24:05] been ordering it as we've needed it
[1:24:07] needed it so
[1:24:08] yeah 24 hours helps we keep a few on
[1:24:10] hand if people come in but we don't
[1:24:13] stock right yeah but you're willing to
[1:24:16] um you weren't with us you don't know
[1:24:18] how long we had to anguish over what a
[1:24:20] bite
[1:24:20] is so um order in advance meaning when
[1:24:23] they sit down
[1:24:25] they need to order wine the flight and
[1:24:27] the plate together
[1:24:28] oh yeah okay absolutely and how about
[1:24:31] your
[1:24:32] you are planning on assuming bottle and
[1:24:34] glass service
[1:24:35] we you know what we've talked around and
[1:24:37] bounced it back and forth we do
[1:24:39] offer it in napa and if we can do it in
[1:24:41] young phil that that would be great but
[1:24:43] um
[1:24:43] it it's it's not a deal breaker you know
[1:24:46] our
[1:24:46] clientele really is we're about selling
[1:24:49] the wines and just selling a glass
[1:24:51] it's not our business model so if we
[1:24:54] were to approve that
[1:24:56] um you would i'm assuming be coming back
[1:25:00] to us with some sort of a different
[1:25:01] pairing with that
[1:25:03] because it would not be specifically
[1:25:05] curated per se
[1:25:07] yeah we would have to do a different
[1:25:08] pairing for that okay
[1:25:10] yeah um and i
[1:25:13] uh i think that's it i like your idea
[1:25:18] for arena that you have the hotline
[1:25:21] and the um code so that that answered
[1:25:24] that question
[1:25:24] um and
[1:25:28] you're not i know i don't think you're
[1:25:29] planning any special events for
[1:25:32] tina is that did i read that correctly
[1:25:35] no we aren't planning any special events
[1:25:37] for her
[1:25:38] um but because we're a wide open space
[1:25:41] she can certainly
[1:25:42] you know if she's got a new release of
[1:25:44] her italian line or something like that
[1:25:46] you know we would probably do it along
[1:25:48] with we're also going to have people
[1:25:50] you know so we would do it in great
[1:25:52] coordination with events we already have
[1:25:54] planned
[1:25:55] okay thank you very much appreciate it
[1:25:58] thank you and i'm going to follow up on
[1:26:00] the vice mayor a little bit
[1:26:02] as it relates to arena how does the
[1:26:05] sales tax
[1:26:06] work in that case they're a separate
[1:26:10] company
[1:26:10] in your space and if they're talking
[1:26:14] remotely to a buyer how are we capturing
[1:26:17] the tax at the location of the sale
[1:26:22] do you know that i do not know that
[1:26:24] that's an excellent question
[1:26:25] and i wonder i wonder if our either town
[1:26:28] manager or town attorney would know that
[1:26:30] the town manager would have a
[1:26:32] recommendation for you
[1:26:34] which is that we had a condition that
[1:26:36] the
[1:26:37] uh arena gallery has to maintain a a
[1:26:40] youngville
[1:26:42] kind of location for their sales
[1:26:44] transactions
[1:26:46] and report from youngville otherwise it
[1:26:48] will go to one of their other
[1:26:51] sales locations yeah okay
[1:26:55] very good thank you for the
[1:26:56] clarification on that
[1:26:58] uh other questions from or do you have
[1:27:01] anyone else
[1:27:02] dr dregetti or anyone else uh presenting
[1:27:05] or
[1:27:06] or carry results but is is uh mike on
[1:27:09] the line
[1:27:10] yes yes yes uh
[1:27:13] hello mayor and i want to thank you vice
[1:27:16] mayor council members
[1:27:18] town manager director for listening to
[1:27:21] our application and request
[1:27:22] and i just want to say that we felt that
[1:27:25] home in downfield
[1:27:27] and we feel that the people in yanfield
[1:27:29] also
[1:27:30] felt that we were part of the community
[1:27:32] and uh
[1:27:33] we would relish the opportunity to again
[1:27:36] join the output community
[1:27:39] thank you very much doctor appreciate
[1:27:40] your comments
[1:27:42] so i believe that is it for our
[1:27:45] application
[1:27:46] presentation uh michelle do we have any
[1:27:49] public comment that's been received for
[1:27:51] this item
[1:27:54] no mayor we have not okay thank you
[1:27:57] so i believe we will go ahead and close
[1:28:00] the public hearing then
[1:28:01] and continue the discussion by the
[1:28:04] council
[1:28:05] so if there's anyone that would like to
[1:28:07] start it looks like
[1:28:08] councilmember mueller you are
[1:28:10] volunteering to be first go ahead
[1:28:16] we do not hear you yet
[1:28:20] yes i am volunteering to be first and
[1:28:25] um i probably should just start off on
[1:28:28] the garbage
[1:28:29] so because uh everyone knows that's near
[1:28:32] and dear to my heart i think with all of
[1:28:34] our
[1:28:35] um other businesses are changing
[1:28:37] businesses we've
[1:28:38] always requested that uh they
[1:28:42] use a dumpster in the back i know it's
[1:28:44] all contingent on whether the garbage
[1:28:46] trucks can go in and pick them up but
[1:28:49] i think that makes sense i've always
[1:28:50] tried to get as many
[1:28:52] toters off the street especially in
[1:28:55] parking
[1:28:56] places that we can so
[1:28:59] i think that would be important so um
[1:29:03] with that said i um
[1:29:08] you know to me what we're really doing
[1:29:11] here is
[1:29:12] you know debating uh changing the
[1:29:14] current
[1:29:15] non-wine retail space into
[1:29:19] yet one more wine tasting room
[1:29:22] um i certainly got phone calls and i
[1:29:25] certainly
[1:29:26] think i can hear that uh collective
[1:29:30] sigh of oh no not more one one more wine
[1:29:33] tasting really on phil
[1:29:35] you know from our community as well as
[1:29:38] uh
[1:29:38] from the other wine tasting rooms um
[1:29:42] in our pre-covet days we allowed
[1:29:46] all new wine tasting rooms as i recall
[1:29:48] and the mayor i think discussed
[1:29:51] earlier to come to town because
[1:29:54] we generally felt that you know market
[1:29:56] forces like supply and demand would
[1:29:58] probably
[1:29:59] you know create the proper balance and
[1:30:02] diversity in our commercial development
[1:30:04] and that each night or that you know uh
[1:30:07] each wine tasting room should be
[1:30:09] evaluated on a
[1:30:11] case-by-case basis so we've had those
[1:30:13] discussions we've decided not to create
[1:30:15] any kind of specific policy but
[1:30:19] now covet is has really
[1:30:23] changed um the future i i think in all
[1:30:26] aspects i think we've certainly seen
[1:30:29] so much change uh in uh how
[1:30:32] a lot of people are doing business and
[1:30:35] what new businesses might uh
[1:30:37] really you know come forward
[1:30:40] um yes we've got 14 wine tasting rooms
[1:30:44] and you know the question really is
[1:30:48] you know should we allow 15 i know
[1:30:51] garage might be going out but just for
[1:30:53] you know entertainment here 14 and 15
[1:30:55] for what we
[1:30:56] we have now and allowing another wine
[1:30:59] tasting room and a non-wine
[1:31:01] retail space that we currently have
[1:31:04] it's not a matter of how much is too
[1:31:07] many and how many
[1:31:08] or too few i'm very focused on
[1:31:14] another wine tasting room going into a
[1:31:16] non-wine
[1:31:17] retail space i believe that
[1:31:20] our residents and our businesses are
[1:31:23] looking
[1:31:24] uh to our local government you know to
[1:31:27] allow for something different this time
[1:31:29] and i just don't really think we we
[1:31:30] should look away i think
[1:31:32] i think it's time to uh you know really
[1:31:35] have this discussion and as you know we
[1:31:39] begin to kind of emerge from covet and
[1:31:41] this
[1:31:41] really difficult uh challenging time i
[1:31:44] really see
[1:31:47] the commercial in yonville i think
[1:31:50] there's a real silver lining
[1:31:52] for our businesses here a lot of
[1:31:53] opportunity
[1:31:55] for our community our residents and our
[1:31:58] guests
[1:32:00] and i think we really need to probably
[1:32:03] take a chance
[1:32:04] and you know really look forward to
[1:32:07] the future new opportunities probably
[1:32:11] toward
[1:32:11] a more balanced and diverse local
[1:32:13] economy and you know
[1:32:15] not just more of the same uh it's
[1:32:17] different and i'm i'm
[1:32:18] willing to take a different stance this
[1:32:20] time i think we need to
[1:32:22] really kind of come out of this um
[1:32:24] pandemic probably stronger than we were
[1:32:26] before
[1:32:27] and you know we've really taken some
[1:32:29] great steps in that direction already
[1:32:31] we've um you know we've given a lot of
[1:32:34] support
[1:32:35] uh for the extension of our economic
[1:32:37] recovery plan for businesses and that's
[1:32:40] been a great policy and extremely
[1:32:42] well received so i i would really like
[1:32:45] to take a pause
[1:32:48] a pause in approving another wine
[1:32:50] tasting room
[1:32:51] because i believe given the opportunity
[1:32:55] another type of business will come
[1:32:57] forward
[1:32:58] you know we are yanfell after all and
[1:33:01] i would really greatly appreciate uh if
[1:33:04] our landlords could really
[1:33:06] kind of help drive the rebound and
[1:33:09] our economy to really kind of come back
[1:33:11] you know better and stronger
[1:33:13] and more balanced so um i like the
[1:33:16] clothing components application
[1:33:18] it's uh similar but you know very
[1:33:22] different
[1:33:22] and i think might be very successful
[1:33:25] retail
[1:33:26] um i would like to see you know maybe
[1:33:30] if uh the landlord needs to rent it out
[1:33:33] maybe add a couple more interesting
[1:33:35] businesses in there and fill up the
[1:33:36] space
[1:33:37] um another wine tasting uh room with you
[1:33:40] know
[1:33:41] custom blended nuts and wall art um i'm
[1:33:44] just
[1:33:46] i that's not really what i'm looking for
[1:33:49] and you know especially
[1:33:50] wine tasting that once again we're
[1:33:52] dealing with parking
[1:33:54] you know our parking requirements are
[1:33:56] pretty well laid out
[1:33:57] um you know going in saying this is how
[1:34:00] many employees you're going to have and
[1:34:02] you know once we find out you have more
[1:34:03] well we're just gonna you know
[1:34:05] change the parking to meet that so um
[1:34:08] those are my thoughts
[1:34:09] thank you councilmember doernbecher
[1:34:13] thank you um
[1:34:17] i remember cornerstone as a wonderful
[1:34:21] neighbor in our town very active with
[1:34:25] many of the
[1:34:26] events that we um you know host
[1:34:29] regularly and we still
[1:34:30] want to do those kinds of events and um
[1:34:35] i honestly think that the the
[1:34:38] clothing collection is going to be a big
[1:34:40] hit
[1:34:41] it looks like something that even our
[1:34:44] residents can enjoy
[1:34:46] and i would like to i feel
[1:34:49] totally differently i i want to welcome
[1:34:54] cornerstone back to the town of
[1:34:55] yachtville
[1:34:57] i'm i think that it's really great that
[1:35:00] there's 38
[1:35:01] uh retail in the in the
[1:35:05] land and um you know i can understand
[1:35:09] the need for a dumpster if
[1:35:11] and i don't think that that's a deal
[1:35:13] breaker
[1:35:14] so i just i think
[1:35:17] being part of the parking plan and
[1:35:21] with the retail clothing
[1:35:24] element i think is going to be wonderful
[1:35:27] and i i'm
[1:35:28] delighted to welcome you back to
[1:35:29] youngville personally
[1:35:33] thank you uh question quickly to sandra
[1:35:36] uh to try to clarify
[1:35:37] the waste hauling there is a dumpster
[1:35:42] in the back parking lot currently uh is
[1:35:45] it serving
[1:35:46] all of the businesses in the what is now
[1:35:48] called jcb village
[1:35:49] also known as whistle stop yes that
[1:35:52] trash enclosure area covers all the
[1:35:54] businesses in the complex okay so there
[1:35:56] already is dumpster service
[1:35:58] and that would continue there may be in
[1:36:00] addition
[1:36:01] some recycle bins that town manager was
[1:36:04] alluding to
[1:36:05] that might be in addition to that
[1:36:07] dumpster
[1:36:08] correct yeah okay
[1:36:21] mayor you're muted sorry councilmember
[1:36:24] knight thank you vice mayor for
[1:36:25] covering for me
[1:36:30] thank you thank you mayor um
[1:36:33] so i'd like to get back to talk about a
[1:36:35] few of the conditions
[1:36:37] but first i want to uh thank miss r
[1:36:41] arminger and miss prescott and the drago
[1:36:44] bragutski's for
[1:36:45] uh their application and for uh
[1:36:49] your uh willingness to return to the
[1:36:51] yacht bill
[1:36:52] i can support the cornerstone sellers
[1:36:54] use permit application
[1:36:56] with some amended conditions because
[1:36:58] this is a primary commercial property it
[1:37:01] has washington street front
[1:37:02] frontage and it's a historic building
[1:37:05] that we can't continue
[1:37:06] to be let be vacant and also i
[1:37:09] really appreciate the applicant's
[1:37:12] efforts to
[1:37:14] promote retail diversity but also
[1:37:17] don't dismiss or downplay the point that
[1:37:20] i am supporting the approval of another
[1:37:23] wine tasting business
[1:37:25] um my hope and listening with the
[1:37:28] council members that now that we've
[1:37:30] completed a general plan
[1:37:32] and that we're working on updates to the
[1:37:34] zoning and design documents
[1:37:36] that the town council will um will now
[1:37:39] consider
[1:37:40] um and discuss i'm investing some time
[1:37:43] and talent and treasure
[1:37:45] to work with residents businesses the
[1:37:48] chamber
[1:37:49] to to really investigate future
[1:37:52] opportunities
[1:37:53] for economic development and retail
[1:37:55] diversity
[1:37:56] um it was reading today that this uh it
[1:38:00] as the city of
[1:38:01] napa's economic development division
[1:38:03] describes it
[1:38:04] it's community-driven solutions for
[1:38:07] town-wide prosperity and improved
[1:38:10] quality of life
[1:38:11] so i support this application it's
[1:38:14] important
[1:38:15] as we our business comes back and
[1:38:16] visitors come back it's important that
[1:38:18] this be a
[1:38:19] an active vital uh part of our our
[1:38:22] our commercial core and like i said i
[1:38:25] want to thank the applicants
[1:38:27] um and so what i would just like to do
[1:38:29] is
[1:38:30] is to review at some point uh some of
[1:38:32] these conditions
[1:38:33] so that we can uh uh maybe address
[1:38:37] issues of garbage or and whether
[1:38:40] or not as a part of the parking
[1:38:42] management program we should
[1:38:45] consider inclusion of a condition that
[1:38:48] off street parking requirements may be a
[1:38:52] requirement
[1:38:53] but i also want to say i really
[1:38:55] appreciate the mayor's
[1:38:58] your perspective in terms of the seating
[1:39:00] in the back
[1:39:01] and the use permit and also uh using
[1:39:05] as as council member dorenbecker said
[1:39:08] allowing the economic recovery program
[1:39:11] to really test that space
[1:39:13] to possibly approve this project uh
[1:39:16] without that seating in the courtyard
[1:39:18] but to allow it through the
[1:39:20] economic recovery program to test its
[1:39:24] viability there and its impact on this
[1:39:27] on the jcb
[1:39:28] site so um
[1:39:31] i really don't have any other comments
[1:39:32] more other than look forward to just
[1:39:34] some
[1:39:35] dialing in the conditions thank you
[1:39:38] thank you and
[1:39:39] i now see uh the vice mayor is holding
[1:39:42] out on raising your hand
[1:39:44] you didn't have a choice i was gonna be
[1:39:45] calling on you as you know so
[1:39:47] vice mayor go ahead yes i went ahead and
[1:39:50] enlisted
[1:39:51] um so uh
[1:39:55] i really have gone round and round on
[1:39:58] this
[1:39:58] um and tonight has been very helpful for
[1:40:02] all concerns so thank you
[1:40:04] um you know i
[1:40:08] to council member mueller's point yes my
[1:40:11] first reaction was
[1:40:13] not another tasting room doesn't matter
[1:40:15] how much i like cornerstone
[1:40:16] and i do it's another chasing work
[1:40:20] um but i now think
[1:40:23] this is an opportunity this
[1:40:27] is an opportunity to do something
[1:40:29] different
[1:40:30] we are going to have almost 50
[1:40:34] retail in a tasting room by the time you
[1:40:37] add everything up
[1:40:39] we are going to have a known quantity in
[1:40:42] the tasting room
[1:40:44] of someone who we know their business
[1:40:47] model
[1:40:48] we know how what they are like as our
[1:40:51] community neighbors
[1:40:52] so i see this as an opportunity not for
[1:40:56] classic diversity but for diversity
[1:40:59] within right or wrong what makes our
[1:41:02] economic
[1:41:03] base work now i
[1:41:06] am not going to sit here and say yes i'm
[1:41:08] for 16 outdoor seeds yes i'm for this
[1:41:11] and that
[1:41:12] i would like to put a number of
[1:41:14] conditions and i
[1:41:15] have gone ahead and made a list all of
[1:41:18] which we have discussed tonight
[1:41:19] but i would like to say yes conditioned
[1:41:22] on
[1:41:23] um we have a three or six
[1:41:26] i'm open uh month to replace the retail
[1:41:30] since it is such a significant
[1:41:32] part we as the mayor said
[1:41:35] we codify that this will be
[1:41:38] uh additional retail than our usual and
[1:41:41] uh you know i'm not tied to 38
[1:41:43] if it's 35 if it's 40 whatever just to
[1:41:46] say more
[1:41:47] um the outdoor seating i cannot
[1:41:50] agree on at this time because of the
[1:41:53] parking issues
[1:41:54] but i certainly can agree that um
[1:41:58] and i don't think we have to put it in
[1:41:59] the condition of approval i think you
[1:42:00] all get opened up
[1:42:01] and economic recovery program is in
[1:42:04] effect
[1:42:04] and you guys work with staff uh to
[1:42:08] figure out what works in that back patio
[1:42:11] area and that'll get us through the
[1:42:12] first year so that we can
[1:42:14] assess uh yes a condition that we you go
[1:42:18] into the
[1:42:18] employee parking management plan and the
[1:42:20] certified payroll
[1:42:22] um i would like to
[1:42:26] somehow get a commitment that the four
[1:42:29] seats indoors in the reception area
[1:42:32] are not used for tasting because we
[1:42:34] already are one down on a parking space
[1:42:36] so whether that
[1:42:36] is written or a commitment from you guys
[1:42:39] i'm okay
[1:42:40] uh i would like to have a condition that
[1:42:43] the separate entrance for the
[1:42:45] enhanced retail remains because i think
[1:42:47] that's very important to our streetscape
[1:42:49] and diversity
[1:42:51] um the garbage i get that
[1:42:54] there's a lot of trash in that little
[1:42:56] enclosure so it may be
[1:42:58] and i would leave that to staff and the
[1:43:00] applicant to figure out how to make the
[1:43:03] waste disposal work um
[1:43:07] the sales tax that the mayor spoke about
[1:43:10] uh
[1:43:11] arena would need a yachtville business
[1:43:13] license and
[1:43:14] uh however the sales tax would work um
[1:43:19] and i i think that's it i mean i
[1:43:22] i don't see those as overly draconian
[1:43:24] you all may disagree
[1:43:26] council or applicant but um
[1:43:29] i think it gives us as a town a chance
[1:43:31] to try something new
[1:43:33] it gives our applicant as something new
[1:43:36] i went on tina
[1:43:37] stephen's website fully expecting to see
[1:43:40] nothing that i could or would ever
[1:43:43] afford to buy
[1:43:44] i was proven wrong so
[1:43:47] i do think there is a chance
[1:43:50] that this opportunity might actually
[1:43:54] be one of our elusive local serving
[1:43:56] businesses
[1:43:57] um so that's kind of where i am
[1:44:01] thank you
[1:44:04] thank you uh very much vice mayor uh and
[1:44:07] i will just
[1:44:08] add i'll try not to repeat too too much
[1:44:10] i basically agree with
[1:44:12] everything vice mayor dorman was just
[1:44:14] presenting
[1:44:16] i think what we can say is if they
[1:44:19] and i apologize now sandra
[1:44:22] and michelle for for trying to get this
[1:44:24] because it's going to be a little
[1:44:25] scattered
[1:44:26] but if it's 38 retail right now
[1:44:30] i i think the vice mayor brought up a
[1:44:32] really good point about
[1:44:34] if we are looking at a change of use
[1:44:37] from a
[1:44:38] traditional retail to predominantly wine
[1:44:40] tasting with a retail component
[1:44:43] that i like the idea in this case
[1:44:46] requiring that 38
[1:44:47] that's already being proposed i don't
[1:44:50] feel the need to go higher than that but
[1:44:53] it's already generously above our 25
[1:44:57] minimum requirement and i do think that
[1:44:59] that speaks to
[1:45:01] our desire to have
[1:45:04] more than a mono culture of business
[1:45:07] activity
[1:45:08] you add in the uh art component which we
[1:45:10] have always been
[1:45:12] supportive of as a secondary retail you
[1:45:15] actually have three retail experiences
[1:45:17] in one
[1:45:19] and i'll just very quickly i want to
[1:45:20] address councilmember moeller
[1:45:22] wanting to see something new and
[1:45:24] different what i didn't like to see
[1:45:26] that's new and different
[1:45:27] is a for lease sign out in front of
[1:45:30] one of our our most visible properties
[1:45:33] for
[1:45:34] a few months that was basically begging
[1:45:37] for tenants
[1:45:38] and it is the most unsightly thing that
[1:45:41] i
[1:45:42] see in this town unfortunately we still
[1:45:45] have a couple locations
[1:45:47] a restaurant and a couple other
[1:45:48] locations that are still vacant
[1:45:50] partly because of the pandemic totally
[1:45:53] understand that
[1:45:54] but not all we have a restaurant that's
[1:45:56] been closed for three years
[1:45:58] and we're still waiting and so to
[1:46:02] turn away a business not only that has a
[1:46:05] great
[1:46:06] track record in the outfield quality
[1:46:08] people
[1:46:09] quality product adding a new
[1:46:13] two new uh one known and one not yet
[1:46:16] known
[1:46:17] retail partners in this space i think
[1:46:19] makes it even more appropriate for young
[1:46:21] phil
[1:46:22] so you know we've heard over the years
[1:46:25] periodically
[1:46:26] do we have enough do we have too many do
[1:46:28] we have just the right number of tasting
[1:46:29] rooms
[1:46:30] the conversation used to be the same
[1:46:32] about art galleries it used to be the
[1:46:34] same about antique shops
[1:46:36] the world evolves youngville has been
[1:46:39] incredibly successful because of our
[1:46:41] willingness to evolve
[1:46:42] and be adaptive to market conditions
[1:46:46] we have embraced different ideas
[1:46:50] and so until other ideas come forward
[1:46:54] i will absolutely welcome a proven
[1:46:58] community partner that has really
[1:47:01] done everything the way we would want
[1:47:03] them to do it in the past
[1:47:05] and i anticipate the same going forward
[1:47:07] so
[1:47:09] there are a couple variables that the
[1:47:11] vice mayor left out there i think that
[1:47:14] to be reasonable as we come out of
[1:47:17] a year plus global pandemic
[1:47:21] that we should be relatively lenient
[1:47:24] on the length of time it would take to
[1:47:26] replace a retail partner
[1:47:28] if and here we are already we've we
[1:47:30] haven't even met our new partner yet
[1:47:32] we're talking about what happens if she
[1:47:33] leaves
[1:47:34] but um we again don't want
[1:47:37] vacancies i would say ideally i would
[1:47:40] say
[1:47:41] six months is a reasonable time to
[1:47:44] expect
[1:47:45] no more than certainly not waiting and i
[1:47:48] don't think
[1:47:49] cornerstone or the owners of the
[1:47:51] property would be looking to
[1:47:54] have vacancy any longer than absolutely
[1:47:57] necessary but just realizing
[1:47:59] that we're entering a new business
[1:48:02] recovery phase that we've never dealt
[1:48:03] with and it might take a little bit of
[1:48:04] time
[1:48:05] to find the right fit maybe it wouldn't
[1:48:08] but we would give that flexibility
[1:48:10] like i said about the enhanced
[1:48:13] percentage of retail i'd like to
[1:48:15] list that in there as no lower than
[1:48:18] um and we might see that the 25
[1:48:21] that we've been doing uh it might be
[1:48:24] time to evolve that
[1:48:25] over time not talking about it here but
[1:48:28] because of the the
[1:48:32] presentation that this new application
[1:48:34] presents us we might
[1:48:35] want to look at that i also would defer
[1:48:40] not even defer i would not support the
[1:48:43] 16 outdoor seats as part of the
[1:48:48] primary use permit i anticipate there
[1:48:51] are going to be some challenges
[1:48:53] with the additional 16 seats
[1:48:57] maybe even with abc laws but
[1:49:00] as we get back hopefully soon to full
[1:49:02] capacity
[1:49:03] in our businesses that might be too much
[1:49:07] for the parking lot in the space so
[1:49:11] i agree with councilmember knight i
[1:49:14] would
[1:49:14] support all the capacity as presented
[1:49:17] indoors
[1:49:18] and then you should be ready to
[1:49:21] present an application for our economic
[1:49:24] recovery program
[1:49:25] where you could have additional outdoor
[1:49:28] seating maybe not 16
[1:49:30] but some number that would also support
[1:49:33] your
[1:49:35] successful launching during this
[1:49:37] recovery period
[1:49:38] and what we've been saying is we are
[1:49:41] going to look
[1:49:42] at the economic recovery modifications
[1:49:45] and some of them may become permanent
[1:49:46] because they just work so well for our
[1:49:49] community and for our businesses and for
[1:49:50] our visitors and residents so
[1:49:53] that would be the i would say maybe the
[1:49:56] the good and the bad on the 16 seats is
[1:49:58] i'm not going to support that now but i
[1:50:00] support it for the
[1:50:02] long term temporary economic recovery
[1:50:06] uh program if you want to pursue that
[1:50:09] i also encourage staff to
[1:50:12] or actually our applicant to work very
[1:50:14] closely with staff when you are working
[1:50:16] with a food partner
[1:50:18] we are sensitive to not
[1:50:23] overdoing the food pairings i'll just
[1:50:25] say uh we are
[1:50:27] you know protective of our restaurants
[1:50:29] and the businesses
[1:50:30] are they're also recovering from a year
[1:50:32] of
[1:50:33] lost revenue and lost employees etc so
[1:50:38] i appreciate and respect the fact that
[1:50:39] you you know that and
[1:50:41] it sounds to me like you're going to
[1:50:42] honor that you have the proper place and
[1:50:45] the
[1:50:45] in perspective so just working with
[1:50:49] our staff to find the right partner
[1:50:50] hopefully it's right here in town
[1:50:52] that that would really be a great thing
[1:50:54] to see
[1:50:55] so i can absolutely support this
[1:51:00] again it isn't something that i'm
[1:51:03] fully basing my decision on but as was
[1:51:06] mentioned previously
[1:51:07] we know you to be good really good
[1:51:10] partners not only business people but
[1:51:14] partners in our community
[1:51:15] and your generosity does matter
[1:51:18] we don't have to learn uh what your
[1:51:20] intentions are i think that we can count
[1:51:22] on your history
[1:51:23] with us so um with that i you can
[1:51:26] uh anticipate my support i i would
[1:51:29] suggest uh
[1:51:30] if the vice mayor will thank you for
[1:51:32] your thorough uh
[1:51:34] and not surprised uh list of conditions
[1:51:37] um i would recommend six months i'm
[1:51:40] interested to hear what the council
[1:51:41] would say about that
[1:51:42] i would i would set the 38 retail as a
[1:51:46] baseline um and then um
[1:51:50] hold off on the outdoor seating uh for
[1:51:53] now
[1:51:54] so um i'll i'll counsel overnight
[1:51:58] thank you mayor um i support your
[1:52:01] summary of the conditions
[1:52:02] just a point of clarification with the
[1:52:05] planner about
[1:52:07] just my interest in the historic
[1:52:08] building and signage that the
[1:52:10] current signage or sign ordinance
[1:52:12] protects
[1:52:14] uh the character and that the sign the
[1:52:16] signs that will be
[1:52:17] um installed will will not be
[1:52:21] contemporary or modern but will meet the
[1:52:24] the
[1:52:24] the beauty of the building
[1:52:29] and there were some examples in the the
[1:52:33] narrative i believe but sandra if you
[1:52:35] could address that specifically
[1:52:36] yours i think your sound is off uh
[1:52:39] sandra
[1:52:41] yeah sandra you're still muted
[1:52:46] i talked so long you're muted
[1:52:49] um so we haven't seen the final
[1:52:51] specifications in the applicant packet
[1:52:53] but they show
[1:52:54] um the general look they're going for in
[1:52:56] their hand-painted wood signs
[1:52:58] they will not have lighting and all
[1:53:01] three of them
[1:53:02] of the businesses will share a similar
[1:53:05] aesthetic in terms of sign background
[1:53:06] color although they'll have their own
[1:53:08] logos
[1:53:09] so i think what we've seen presented is
[1:53:11] consistent with a historic building
[1:53:13] of course these are all elements that
[1:53:15] can be removed from the building as well
[1:53:17] but most importantly it won't have that
[1:53:19] interior that backlighting or other
[1:53:21] lighting
[1:53:22] thank you and i support lighting it just
[1:53:25] i don't um
[1:53:26] you know there's historic ways of
[1:53:28] lighting signs that
[1:53:30] i think meet the character the building
[1:53:31] i know this applicant and
[1:53:33] um recognizes that i appreciate their
[1:53:36] uh return to yacht yachtville so thank
[1:53:39] you very much
[1:53:42] sandra follow up question on that um we
[1:53:44] have three businesses but two of them
[1:53:47] are under the same use permit and we
[1:53:49] have a certain
[1:53:50] total square footage of signage for the
[1:53:52] entire building how does that
[1:53:55] i think it's a fairly unique situation
[1:53:57] we have the upstairs
[1:53:58] independent business with a certain
[1:54:00] square footage for that use how does
[1:54:01] that all work together
[1:54:04] well they're all subject to a master
[1:54:06] sign plan and the purpose of that is to
[1:54:08] fairly apportion the signage between the
[1:54:10] three businesses
[1:54:11] um when you consider the lineal square
[1:54:13] footage i think it amounts to about 16
[1:54:16] or 16 and a half square feet per sign i
[1:54:18] think they should all be the same size
[1:54:20] over the three different entries to give
[1:54:23] really equal notice to the to customers
[1:54:27] and i believe that's how it was
[1:54:28] presented in the narrative as well
[1:54:30] okay thank you so
[1:54:33] we have we don't have a motion i don't
[1:54:35] see any further hands but i will go back
[1:54:37] to the vice mayor
[1:54:39] who had i think the most structured
[1:54:42] uh conditions that if you'd like to
[1:54:45] present a motion
[1:54:46] yes uh thank you i
[1:54:50] move approval of the longest amendment
[1:54:54] um i move approval of resolution number
[1:54:58] 21-4053
[1:54:59] approving a use permit for cornerstone
[1:55:01] sellers to conduct a wine tasting room
[1:55:04] with tina stevens secondary retail at
[1:55:07] 6505
[1:55:08] washington street assessor's parcel
[1:55:10] number
[1:55:14] 036-081-011
[1:55:16] with the following revisions as
[1:55:19] discussed by council tonight
[1:55:21] uh minimum 38 retail
[1:55:25] six mon maximum six months to replace
[1:55:29] uh the retail should
[1:55:32] that sub lease go away
[1:55:37] no outdoor seating as requested
[1:55:42] 20 seats inside employee parking
[1:55:45] management
[1:55:46] program uh entry and certified payroll
[1:55:51] arena galleries will have a business
[1:55:53] license and a
[1:55:54] sales tech sales tax hub
[1:55:58] for use in yachtville a
[1:56:01] continuation of a separate retail
[1:56:03] entrance
[1:56:05] uh work with staff to resolve any waste
[1:56:08] disposal issues
[1:56:10] and i don't think this has to be in
[1:56:12] there
[1:56:14] nor probably shouldn't the economic
[1:56:16] recovery program
[1:56:17] uh unless you think we need something
[1:56:19] that says even though their new business
[1:56:21] they can apply so
[1:56:22] if that that needs to go in there that
[1:56:24] can go in there and
[1:56:26] um no arena employees on site
[1:56:29] and i think that covers everything
[1:56:32] thank you for that uh clear summary and
[1:56:35] i believe and maybe this is a gary
[1:56:37] question
[1:56:37] i think we keep the economic recovery
[1:56:40] program
[1:56:41] piece completely separate is that
[1:56:43] appropriate
[1:56:45] yes and i think that program stands
[1:56:47] alone regardless of what's done today
[1:56:50] great thank you so um
[1:56:56] you i just want to double check uh we
[1:56:57] have a motion by vice mayor dorman
[1:56:59] michelle were you clear on all those
[1:57:01] uh conditions second by uh council
[1:57:04] member dorne becker
[1:57:06] so as amended i was gonna say
[1:57:09] okay thank you yeah
[1:57:12] and i will ask for a roll call vote
[1:57:14] please michelle
[1:57:15] thank you vice mayor dorman yes council
[1:57:19] member
[1:57:19] doran becker yes council member knight
[1:57:23] yes councilmember moeller no
[1:57:27] mayor dunbar yes thank you
[1:57:31] so that does pass congratulations to
[1:57:34] the entire cornerstone team and welcome
[1:57:36] back to youngville
[1:57:38] we're so excited thank you so much
[1:57:42] thank you thank you
[1:57:45] and you're welcome but not obligated to
[1:57:46] watch the rest of our meeting
[1:57:49] i don't know let me check the agenda
[1:57:54] thank you thank you very much and we are
[1:57:57] going to
[1:57:58] uh jump right into our three
[1:58:01] administrative regular items and the
[1:58:03] first one
[1:58:04] is going to be phase 2
[1:58:08] water emergency regulations consider
[1:58:10] adoption of resolution number 21-4054
[1:58:14] approving the implementation of modified
[1:58:17] modified phase ii water emergency
[1:58:20] regulations i believe this is going to
[1:58:22] be our public works director joe
[1:58:24] taglibashi
[1:58:28] we we cannot hear you yet joe
[1:58:31] thank you very much i was jumping the
[1:58:33] gun a little bit thank you mayor
[1:58:35] members of the council uh tonight we
[1:58:37] have for your consideration
[1:58:39] uh the resolution to approve uh the
[1:58:41] implementation of a modified phase two
[1:58:43] water emergency
[1:58:45] regulation uh
[1:58:48] as you all are aware from our last
[1:58:50] presentation in
[1:58:52] early april march of this year
[1:58:55] the veterans home notified us of a 20
[1:58:58] water reduction uh per the agreement
[1:59:01] that we have
[1:59:02] with them uh in 2005. so that would
[1:59:06] result in an
[1:59:06] 8 400 acre foot delivery
[1:59:10] uh as opposed to the 500 acre feet that
[1:59:13] is in the contracted amount
[1:59:14] on a normal year uh let's go to the
[1:59:17] slide deck please
[1:59:26] so uh our currently we're going to bring
[1:59:28] a next slide please uh
[1:59:31] this is a little bit of history to bring
[1:59:33] us all up to speed
[1:59:34] uh we're currently in our third year of
[1:59:36] drought in the last
[1:59:38] nine years seven have been drought or
[1:59:40] very close to drought conditions
[1:59:43] uh and two years have been very close to
[1:59:45] normal
[1:59:46] uh in the current year the 11th driest
[1:59:49] on record
[1:59:50] uh 2019 was the eighth so we've had some
[1:59:53] pretty dry years
[1:59:55] and as a result next slide please
[2:00:01] as a result as as of march 26 the napa
[2:00:04] county region
[2:00:05] and this hasn't changed we did have a
[2:00:07] little bit of rain but it hasn't changed
[2:00:09] much we're
[2:00:10] in the 30 to 45 percent of average uh
[2:00:12] range
[2:00:13] sierra snowpack is a little bit better
[2:00:15] than that at about 61
[2:00:18] the real challenge for all of us in the
[2:00:21] state
[2:00:21] is uh the basins and groundwater have
[2:00:23] been filling the gap
[2:00:25] as a result they are now at historically
[2:00:27] low levels of 55 to 68 percent
[2:00:30] uh in in a normal year rector fills it
[2:00:33] very quickly and uh we're lucky to have
[2:00:37] that
[2:00:37] as a source of water we were at about 12
[2:00:41] inches
[2:00:41] this year so normal year for us is
[2:00:44] somewhere just north of 30 so
[2:00:46] we're less than 50 percent of normal
[2:00:48] next slide please
[2:00:51] uh so in the phase one requirements
[2:00:55] which would be included in what we're
[2:00:57] proposing tonight these are voluntary
[2:00:59] prohibitions so uh potable water and
[2:01:02] this applies to
[2:01:03] all three categories everyone our
[2:01:06] businesses
[2:01:07] and of course us as a as a water
[2:01:09] distribution uh
[2:01:11] agency uh potable water to wash
[2:01:13] sidewalks and driveways would be
[2:01:15] prohibited
[2:01:16] uh we would uh
[2:01:20] help remind people that uh irrigate
[2:01:22] runoff from irrigation
[2:01:24] uh is not allowed hoses with no shut off
[2:01:27] nozzles when they're watching cars
[2:01:29] is not allowed or would be uh
[2:01:33] voluntary use for those items potable
[2:01:36] water and decorative water features that
[2:01:38] do not
[2:01:38] recirculate water would be discouraged
[2:01:42] outdoor irrigation during and 48 hours
[2:01:45] following measurable precipitation
[2:01:48] would be discouraged and we define
[2:01:50] measurable precipitation as a quarter of
[2:01:52] an
[2:01:52] inch or more next slide please
[2:01:59] now we're getting into uh phase two so
[2:02:03] the phase one measures that we just
[2:02:04] discussed would be
[2:02:05] uh encouraged by the town and these
[2:02:08] prohibitions would be
[2:02:09] uh mandated uh with your approval this
[2:02:12] evening
[2:02:13] so outdoor irrigation with potable water
[2:02:16] delivered by the town of yonville a
[2:02:18] distribution system uh would be
[2:02:21] even an odd addresses so odd addresses
[2:02:24] would water on thursday
[2:02:25] and friday and even addresses with water
[2:02:28] on monday and thursday
[2:02:29] i would like to remind the council and
[2:02:32] those
[2:02:33] folks who are watching uh out on our
[2:02:36] network
[2:02:36] that this is very similar in fact
[2:02:39] identical to what we did in 2015 and
[2:02:41] 2016
[2:02:42] as a part of the governor's drought
[2:02:44] declaration it resulted in a 28
[2:02:46] a little bit better than a 28 savings
[2:02:49] from
[2:02:50] uh the years that they were using as our
[2:02:53] benchmark so we would expect similar
[2:02:55] results
[2:02:55] using these similar measures uh no
[2:02:58] outdoor irrigation would be allowed on
[2:03:00] wednesdays saturdays or sundays with
[2:03:02] potable water delivered from the town's
[2:03:04] water distribution system no irrigation
[2:03:07] uh allowed between 10 a.m and 6 p.m
[2:03:10] which is the hottest part of the day
[2:03:12] and it just if you think about what
[2:03:14] makes sense and and
[2:03:15] trying to just conserve water uh in the
[2:03:19] in the smartest and most logical ways uh
[2:03:22] this measure makes sense because
[2:03:23] watering in the heat of the day
[2:03:25] uh just causes way too much evaporation
[2:03:27] you're just not getting the water where
[2:03:28] it needs to go so
[2:03:30] basically what we're asking folks to do
[2:03:31] is water in the evening hours
[2:03:34] between 6 p.m and 10 a.m in the morning
[2:03:36] and
[2:03:37] that seemed to work okay for the town's
[2:03:40] landscaping
[2:03:41] we did okay with that uh once we got the
[2:03:45] irrigation schedule figured out it's
[2:03:47] watering a little
[2:03:48] uh less long and a little more
[2:03:51] regularity so you do
[2:03:53] several cycles at a shorter time which
[2:03:55] allows the water to soak in and not run
[2:03:57] off
[2:03:57] next slide please
[2:04:02] this is still continued for everyone so
[2:04:05] again
[2:04:05] irrigation would not be permitted during
[2:04:08] the 48 hours after a measurable
[2:04:10] rainfall which would be the quarter inch
[2:04:11] and 24 hours as opposed to a voluntary
[2:04:13] uh prohibition no watering of park
[2:04:16] medians
[2:04:17] would be allowed without a drip
[2:04:18] irrigation system so we do have a few
[2:04:20] areas
[2:04:22] that have turf in some of the park trips
[2:04:24] although the majority of our park
[2:04:26] area park median areas in our
[2:04:28] neighborhoods have been converted to a
[2:04:30] drought-tolerant landscape with
[2:04:31] drip irrigation or a micro irrigation
[2:04:34] system
[2:04:36] our plan as a part of this program would
[2:04:38] be
[2:04:40] to do some survey of the neighborhoods
[2:04:42] uh identify some of the
[2:04:44] homes and and businesses that may not
[2:04:46] have participated in the last round of
[2:04:48] our uh
[2:04:50] subsidy and incentive program to change
[2:04:52] from
[2:04:53] our cash for gas program to change from
[2:04:56] turf to a drop tolerant landscape
[2:04:58] then we would uh target those uh
[2:05:00] addresses and send them
[2:05:02] uh some information on what kind of
[2:05:04] programs could be available to them to
[2:05:05] help
[2:05:07] incentivize them to
[2:05:11] change from a turf park median and
[2:05:15] lawn to a more drought tolerant
[2:05:17] landscaping
[2:05:18] system in addition newly constructed
[2:05:21] homes would have to install drip or
[2:05:23] micro spray
[2:05:24] that's already part of our wheelo
[2:05:25] ordnance so
[2:05:27] most homes do that as a normal part of
[2:05:30] business
[2:05:31] anyway it's just how californians are
[2:05:33] used to doing landscaping
[2:05:35] in our uh new normal and no filling of
[2:05:39] pools with town-supplied domestic water
[2:05:42] most people who have pools new pools
[2:05:44] have figured out that it's a much
[2:05:46] less expensive uh process to get the
[2:05:49] water trucked in and
[2:05:50] this would be in addition to the other
[2:05:53] measures that we have suggested
[2:05:55] next slide please
[2:06:00] uh this next category is for restaurants
[2:06:02] so the first category that we just
[2:06:04] talked about would be for everyone now
[2:06:05] we're getting into
[2:06:06] uh the separate business entities that
[2:06:08] we have here in town
[2:06:10] that would have additional steps uh that
[2:06:12] would be required so tap water could
[2:06:14] only be
[2:06:15] provided to customers upon request
[2:06:17] scrape all dishes prior to rinsing which
[2:06:19] i'm sure
[2:06:20] they are doing already run full loads to
[2:06:23] the dishwasher again i'm i'm
[2:06:26] certain that most restaurants and
[2:06:29] places that you can eat here in town do
[2:06:32] most of these things already
[2:06:33] and wash with full loads of linens next
[2:06:36] slide please
[2:06:40] hotels and spas would be required to
[2:06:43] clearly and prominently display a notice
[2:06:45] of an option to reuse towels and linens
[2:06:47] with changes only upon guest requests
[2:06:50] and no non-commercial washing
[2:06:52] of privately owned vehicles or equipment
[2:06:54] except from a bucket
[2:06:56] and or a hose equipped with a shut off
[2:06:58] nozzle uh next slide please
[2:07:03] so that uh completes the majority of
[2:07:06] the the meat of this uh new program and
[2:07:10] how we would like to conserve water
[2:07:13] staff is also looking at uh
[2:07:17] what would be the next steps if
[2:07:20] we aren't able to conserve the kinds of
[2:07:23] if this conservation
[2:07:25] program doesn't work as it did the last
[2:07:27] time around what
[2:07:28] other incentives or tools could we have
[2:07:31] available
[2:07:32] should we need them and so we will look
[2:07:34] at water usage and billing policies
[2:07:37] some of our billing policies are a
[2:07:39] little outdated i think
[2:07:40] we discussed it earlier today in i
[2:07:42] believe it was last updated
[2:07:44] in 1998 it's interesting to note that
[2:07:47] when i looked at
[2:07:49] these policies through the agencies uh
[2:07:52] calistoga is now
[2:07:53] on the same program that we're proposing
[2:07:54] this evening santolina
[2:07:56] is was is on an even more uh
[2:08:00] um conservative version of this policy
[2:08:03] they have implemented some uh additional
[2:08:06] penalties for overusage
[2:08:08] they're trying to save in the
[2:08:09] neighborhood of 30 percent napa
[2:08:11] is at a 15 savings but um
[2:08:14] the majority of these water policies
[2:08:16] that we're talking about
[2:08:17] phase one phase two phase three and
[2:08:19] phase four
[2:08:20] uh all look very similar in each town or
[2:08:23] city's
[2:08:24] municipal code so we're going to look at
[2:08:27] ours
[2:08:28] and and try to update it and make it
[2:08:30] both easy for the
[2:08:31] customer and the resident to understand
[2:08:33] and and also for our staff to be able to
[2:08:35] implement should it be needed
[2:08:37] the biggest part of this program for us
[2:08:40] as we learned last time around
[2:08:42] is to try to prepare a community so
[2:08:44] we'll do some outreach and education
[2:08:46] that will include message boards letting
[2:08:48] people know
[2:08:49] what day is watering even an odd
[2:08:52] we'll have some courtesy notices and
[2:08:53] some packages for people set up so that
[2:08:56] when there are
[2:08:58] some irrigation uh challenges most
[2:09:01] folks don't manage or maintain their own
[2:09:05] irrigation system that's one of the
[2:09:06] things we've learned over the years and
[2:09:08] so we'd be
[2:09:09] talking to the homeowner and most likely
[2:09:13] directly contacting
[2:09:15] their landscaper to help them manage
[2:09:18] their landscape
[2:09:19] and their irrigation controllers a
[2:09:20] little better that's what we found
[2:09:23] is the most effective policy but it's
[2:09:25] really about education
[2:09:26] outreach and just helping remind people
[2:09:29] what we're trying to do
[2:09:30] and that's a continuous effort so
[2:09:33] next slide please with that i'm happy to
[2:09:37] answer any questions you may have
[2:09:40] joe thank you do we have yes we'll start
[2:09:44] with
[2:09:45] council member knight and then council
[2:09:47] member doernbecher
[2:09:50] thank you director taylabashi for a
[2:09:52] thorough report
[2:09:54] i support the resolution and
[2:09:57] i mean as we read more and more about
[2:09:59] drought conditions it's
[2:10:01] uh it's getting it's going to be very
[2:10:03] serious and so
[2:10:04] um i would encourage the residents to
[2:10:08] read also the article in the back page
[2:10:10] of last thursday's yachtville sun
[2:10:13] it was a succinct report on our you know
[2:10:16] drought issues in yachtville but also a
[2:10:20] summary of the drought issues
[2:10:22] that the state of california is addre is
[2:10:25] dealing with and
[2:10:26] we all need to tighten our belts and so
[2:10:30] thank you joe for your report thank you
[2:10:32] very much a council member
[2:10:35] thank you and i'll be reporting out on
[2:10:37] the napa county flood control
[2:10:40] they did a water supply update today
[2:10:43] that will speak to that very thing
[2:10:45] councilmember adorned becker
[2:10:48] thank you um and thank you for the
[2:10:51] presentation director talibashi i did
[2:10:55] have a question about
[2:10:56] if there is absolutely no water use
[2:10:59] allowed on saturday and sunday
[2:11:02] um is it possible instead to sort of
[2:11:06] stagger the you know two on and two off
[2:11:09] so that
[2:11:10] there's not really a you know a 48-hour
[2:11:14] uh lapse between when we can
[2:11:17] apply some water in the garden
[2:11:22] i mean that that is up to you all as a
[2:11:24] council uh
[2:11:25] i this was what we used in the last
[2:11:28] uh effort and it was very successful uh
[2:11:33] most folks uh
[2:11:37] we're able to adjust their irrigation
[2:11:39] and and manage
[2:11:40] it with very little loss or damage
[2:11:43] um but of course we're looking to try to
[2:11:47] maximize that
[2:11:48] uh irrigation time because that's where
[2:11:51] most of the water
[2:11:52] is being used so we're open to
[2:11:54] suggestions and
[2:11:55] it can be modified for sure thank you
[2:12:03] thank you i was just dealing with the
[2:12:05] computer problem uh i don't see any
[2:12:07] other hands from council uh did we get
[2:12:09] any public
[2:12:11] oh councilmember muller i just want to
[2:12:14] make a
[2:12:15] uh general comment uh
[2:12:18] because we see that um saint helene
[2:12:21] has got uh
[2:12:25] the biggest amount that they are trying
[2:12:27] to conserve
[2:12:29] and uh also uh you know discussing
[2:12:32] penalties
[2:12:33] i think i just wanted to mention that
[2:12:35] their situation is a little bit
[2:12:37] uh different than ours because they lost
[2:12:40] so much water during during the fighting
[2:12:43] of the fire so a lot of their
[2:12:45] reservoirs were you know used to scoop
[2:12:47] out a lot of water so
[2:12:49] just to kind of put it in balance i
[2:12:51] think you know it's uh
[2:12:52] this is something we need it's great
[2:12:54] that uh
[2:12:56] you know we've heard from the veterans
[2:12:58] home how much they
[2:13:00] need to serve or need to conserve i
[2:13:03] just would love to know how much water
[2:13:05] is really in that
[2:13:07] in rector so uh i can kind of put in
[2:13:10] some perspective and how much soil is
[2:13:11] down there but
[2:13:12] i i just wanted to mention that so uh
[2:13:14] because you see you know napa is 15
[2:13:16] and uh santolina's
[2:13:20] closer to 30 so i just wanted to provide
[2:13:22] that as a
[2:13:23] way to kind of put these numbers a
[2:13:25] little more in balance that
[2:13:27] we're all trying to do the same thing
[2:13:28] but ours is
[2:13:30] not quite as severe because of how much
[2:13:32] water they lost
[2:13:33] uh using it for fighting the fires up
[2:13:36] there last year
[2:13:37] and with no rain
[2:13:40] and there yeah yeah go ahead yeah so i'd
[2:13:44] just like to add
[2:13:45] for the benefit of the council this
[2:13:47] resolution is
[2:13:48] is labeled modified phase two for those
[2:13:51] reading the sections of the emergency
[2:13:54] water regulations in the municipal code
[2:13:56] there are very similar phase 2
[2:13:59] regulations in there
[2:14:00] the town council has separate authority
[2:14:02] to adopt rules and regulations by
[2:14:04] resolution that govern use of water
[2:14:07] and the water system generally that's
[2:14:09] the authority to adopt the modified ones
[2:14:11] beyond what you see in phase two
[2:14:13] as joe mentioned that's what the council
[2:14:15] did last time that's what the council is
[2:14:16] doing again
[2:14:17] but that's why there's slight
[2:14:18] differences between it and that's why
[2:14:20] the council has the ability to do that
[2:14:23] thank you to our town attorney for that
[2:14:25] clarification
[2:14:26] i was going to hold out for my uh flood
[2:14:29] control
[2:14:29] meeting but now it's come up twice so
[2:14:31] i'll let you all in on it
[2:14:33] uh rector reservoir is between 60
[2:14:37] and 65 capacity
[2:14:40] 4535 acre feet
[2:14:43] 20 feet below full pond
[2:14:46] so for those of you that understand all
[2:14:48] that that was the report from
[2:14:50] the county earlier this afternoon
[2:14:54] and just to compare lake berryessa uh
[2:14:58] 7-0 capacity
[2:15:00] percent capacity
[2:15:04] so vice mayor or
[2:15:07] councilman muller did you have more yeah
[2:15:10] so those numbers that's what i'm still
[2:15:13] trying to get at because uh
[2:15:17] for you know a long time now i've
[2:15:20] never heard any reports that uh
[2:15:24] rector that the amount of silt in the
[2:15:26] bottom
[2:15:27] is really being monitored you know
[2:15:29] there's a lot of sonar and stuff you can
[2:15:31] use so
[2:15:32] and i know that acre feet keeps re
[2:15:35] get gets reported but
[2:15:38] do we have any information is that just
[2:15:41] based on like a water level line
[2:15:43] or a true volumetric assessment of the
[2:15:46] acre feet
[2:15:48] i welcome you to contact the county
[2:15:51] flood control
[2:15:52] folks and unless joe has an exact answer
[2:15:55] to that
[2:15:56] i i don't have an exact answer mayor but
[2:15:58] i i have been questioning
[2:16:00] uh the operators of the reservoir with
[2:16:03] that same
[2:16:04] question uh council member mueller
[2:16:07] and their response has been they're
[2:16:09] doing the best they can
[2:16:11] with the resources they have so wasn't
[2:16:13] it wasn't a great answer
[2:16:15] i think uh we know there has been some
[2:16:17] silting
[2:16:18] i don't think that it's inordinate
[2:16:20] amount of silt uh
[2:16:21] you know i that number is probably
[2:16:26] pretty close to what they're estimating
[2:16:29] now
[2:16:30] plus or minus a couple of maybe a couple
[2:16:32] hundred a hundred acre feet or
[2:16:34] a couple of thousand not certainly not a
[2:16:35] thousand acre feet so
[2:16:37] i don't think it's a tremendous amount
[2:16:38] but certainly from the fires
[2:16:40] and from and just from time in general
[2:16:42] it's built in that
[2:16:44] you have a really valid viewpoint we
[2:16:46] know that the control tower
[2:16:48] uh the bottom couple 15 or 20 feet
[2:16:52] hasn't been accessible for
[2:16:54] many many years because it's built it in
[2:16:57] okay
[2:16:58] because i know we saw a lot of silks
[2:17:00] over time like i don't know how long it
[2:17:02] was five
[2:17:02] six seven years ago you know uh just in
[2:17:05] our little
[2:17:06] hopper creek here in town and had to you
[2:17:08] know do some dredging there
[2:17:10] just for this reason and uh very hopeful
[2:17:13] it's gonna start raining but if it
[2:17:14] doesn't uh
[2:17:16] you know having a good measurement which
[2:17:18] does not cost very much money it's
[2:17:20] pretty easy technology i just
[2:17:22] i feel more warm and fuzzy but anyway
[2:17:25] thanks yeah and i would i would
[2:17:27] encourage you to contact the county
[2:17:28] officials they're
[2:17:29] the experts in all the specific data
[2:17:33] i i will reach out to them and i'll come
[2:17:35] back to you all with the information if
[2:17:37] i find some
[2:17:38] okay great yeah we did get that report
[2:17:40] just today so they have some
[2:17:42] very current information
[2:17:46] vice mayor thank you this is a follow-up
[2:17:51] to council member doernbecher
[2:17:54] are you suggesting maybe uh to switch
[2:17:58] the alternate days like to
[2:18:00] sunday and wednesday and monday and
[2:18:02] thursday
[2:18:03] so that there's not
[2:18:06] a longer lag between watering
[2:18:12] yes that's exactly what i'm proposing
[2:18:14] you know asking if that's
[2:18:16] a possibility and and so then uh
[2:18:20] director tagliamashi with that
[2:18:23] i didn't exactly follow your explanation
[2:18:25] i apologize
[2:18:26] would that do harm to what we're trying
[2:18:28] to do in conserving if we switch to give
[2:18:32] sort of a more equal window between the
[2:18:35] two
[2:18:35] allowable days no i i i
[2:18:38] we're we're trying to get those four
[2:18:40] days and it really doesn't that
[2:18:42] combination of those four days is up to
[2:18:43] you all so
[2:18:44] if if it makes more sense to you to have
[2:18:47] it done that way
[2:18:48] um then we can certainly implement it in
[2:18:50] that fashion
[2:18:52] and while agreeing with that i will also
[2:18:55] share though that
[2:18:56] we do not have staff for monitoring
[2:19:00] and dealing with the calls and reports
[2:19:02] about violations that occur over the
[2:19:05] weekend so that has historically been
[2:19:07] one of the reasons
[2:19:08] the last schedule was used because
[2:19:11] people
[2:19:12] will want to report and share when they
[2:19:14] see
[2:19:15] water runoff and stuff but again that's
[2:19:18] your fault on on
[2:19:20] the the dates that you want to use but
[2:19:22] just remember there won't be any
[2:19:24] any active staff on a saturday sunday
[2:19:26] for monitoring
[2:19:28] in inappropriate use on those days and
[2:19:31] joe
[2:19:31] uh i believe i heard you say that the
[2:19:34] schedule you're proposing is the one
[2:19:35] that we used
[2:19:36] successfully before that that's accurate
[2:19:40] mayor it worked very well once people
[2:19:41] figured out
[2:19:42] how to water uh there is a little a bit
[2:19:45] of a learning curve on watering and we
[2:19:47] can help people
[2:19:48] uh help educate people with some of that
[2:19:50] but basically it's a
[2:19:52] a shorter watering cycle over many
[2:19:55] uh maybe three cycles instead of two in
[2:19:58] in the course of an evening so
[2:20:00] if you think about how most people water
[2:20:02] it maybe for 15 or 20 minutes at one
[2:20:04] time
[2:20:05] you would break that up into a five or
[2:20:08] seven minute
[2:20:08] cycle and do it a couple two or three
[2:20:11] times that allows the water to saturate
[2:20:13] in
[2:20:13] to the ground and not run off uh into
[2:20:16] the curb and gutter which is what we're
[2:20:17] trying to uh
[2:20:18] to avoid right thank you vice mayor go
[2:20:21] ahead
[2:20:22] no i'm i'm done i'll take my hand down
[2:20:24] thank you okay
[2:20:26] thought you had more that was a short
[2:20:28] list
[2:20:30] okay uh any i don't see any other hands
[2:20:33] from the council any public comment on
[2:20:34] this michelle
[2:20:40] no okay thank you so uh
[2:20:43] i believe uh we have a couple things to
[2:20:46] just clarify if anyone's prepared to
[2:20:48] make a motion either to
[2:20:50] accept uh the report as recommended or
[2:20:53] with any modifications councilmember
[2:20:54] mueller
[2:20:55] yeah i'll make a motion that we approve
[2:20:59] resolution number 21-4054
[2:21:03] adopt resolutions approving the
[2:21:05] implementation of modified phase two
[2:21:09] water emergency regulations and pray for
[2:21:12] rain
[2:21:15] okay is there a second to that i'll
[2:21:17] second
[2:21:19] so a motion by councilmember moeller
[2:21:20] second councilor doernbecher
[2:21:22] so that just to be clear we're going
[2:21:24] back to the
[2:21:25] staff recommendation correct
[2:21:27] councilmember mueller yes
[2:21:29] thank you we can always come back if
[2:21:32] things aren't working
[2:21:33] and change it later correct right yes
[2:21:37] we may see if there if it never rains
[2:21:39] again we might be having this
[2:21:40] conversation again
[2:21:41] in the middle of the summer so okay uh
[2:21:45] michelle
[2:21:46] let's go ahead and have a roll call vote
[2:21:47] please thank you councilmember
[2:21:50] mueller yes council member doernbecher
[2:21:54] yes councilmember knight all right
[2:21:58] dear dorman yes mayor dunbar
[2:22:02] yes thank you that passes unanimously
[2:22:05] thank you very much
[2:22:06] thank you joe thank you very much
[2:22:09] council
[2:22:10] yes just what you want to do for
[2:22:13] public works month is uh put in place
[2:22:16] some water
[2:22:17] conservation restrictions excellent if
[2:22:20] we all
[2:22:21] together we'll we'll have a very
[2:22:22] successful program i have every
[2:22:24] every faith we're all going to be okay
[2:22:26] with this one thank you all right
[2:22:28] uh thank you very much let's move on to
[2:22:30] our next item which is
[2:22:32] 10b lease renewal with the united states
[2:22:35] postal service considering adoption of
[2:22:38] resolution number 21-4055 authorizing
[2:22:41] renewal of lease
[2:22:42] with u.s postal service for the
[2:22:44] town-owned post office building located
[2:22:47] at 6514
[2:22:49] washington street commencing july 1
[2:22:52] 2022 through june 30 2027
[2:22:56] with the five-year option to extend the
[2:22:57] lease and approving payment of real
[2:22:59] estate broker
[2:23:00] commission in the amount of 36 thousand
[2:23:02] dollars and i believe
[2:23:04] uh town manager this is you thank you
[2:23:06] mayor council yes it is
[2:23:08] um as outlined the town has owned uh
[2:23:12] the building at 6514 washington street
[2:23:15] which houses the you know post office
[2:23:17] branch
[2:23:18] the last lease was commenced in 2007
[2:23:22] and will expire in 2022
[2:23:26] unique post office real estate
[2:23:29] operations is the fact that they use a
[2:23:33] national broker selection so one of the
[2:23:36] requirements for dealing with the post
[2:23:38] office is that you will use
[2:23:40] their adopted established broker
[2:23:43] also what's unique in that relationship
[2:23:46] is that they
[2:23:47] push all of the commission cost burden
[2:23:50] onto the um owner which is us
[2:23:53] and in this case they require four
[2:23:55] percent so for this particular
[2:23:58] uh contract term and i will point out
[2:24:01] we use the term renewal but the the
[2:24:04] principle here is that we're renewing
[2:24:06] keeping the post office
[2:24:08] but this is a new price point set the
[2:24:11] current lease rate um at the point right
[2:24:15] now
[2:24:15] is 146
[2:24:18] 500 and we have negotiated a
[2:24:21] a new base that will move to 180 000 a
[2:24:25] year
[2:24:26] beginning july 1 22
[2:24:29] and that is approximately a 22.8 percent
[2:24:33] increase and that will play in place for
[2:24:36] five years
[2:24:37] and then the post office will have the
[2:24:40] option
[2:24:41] to renew the lease with an 8
[2:24:45] um adjustment bringing that to 194
[2:24:49] 400 for the term july 1
[2:24:53] 2027 through june 30 20 32
[2:24:57] and the town is setting a shorter
[2:25:01] term a 10-year term so that we have
[2:25:03] greater opportunity
[2:25:05] with the reset point on the lease
[2:25:09] this is a slightly new lease structure
[2:25:12] but
[2:25:12] all of the key elements of the town
[2:25:15] attorney
[2:25:16] public works director and i have
[2:25:17] reviewed and there are no structural
[2:25:20] concerns or elements
[2:25:21] with the lease other than as one can
[2:25:23] imagine
[2:25:24] it is with a federal institution and
[2:25:26] there's just some language format and
[2:25:28] structure that they prefer
[2:25:29] to use um and with that
[2:25:33] we've also negotiated a split payment of
[2:25:36] the commission
[2:25:37] into half this fiscal year half next to
[2:25:40] help with the budget situation
[2:25:42] we are in with that i'm happy to answer
[2:25:46] any questions the council may have
[2:25:48] i do want to stress that this is
[2:25:49] obviously a net positive
[2:25:52] so that the towns in our income stream
[2:25:55] revenue where we show ransom concessions
[2:25:58] in beginning july of 22 we will see a 33
[2:26:02] 500 increase going forward thank you
[2:26:06] and i'll very quickly apologize to
[2:26:09] council
[2:26:09] i failed to take a break before we got
[2:26:12] to this item we will take a break
[2:26:15] right after this item which i'm
[2:26:16] anticipating will be relatively brief
[2:26:18] so with that council member knight thank
[2:26:21] you mayor
[2:26:22] um i can support the resolution it's
[2:26:24] just uh
[2:26:26] irritating to have to reading to have to
[2:26:29] pay
[2:26:29] this full commission but i do i didn't
[2:26:32] see any report
[2:26:33] but i do appreciate uh town manager's
[2:26:36] efforts to
[2:26:36] uh get the feed divided over a couple
[2:26:40] fiscal years which is
[2:26:42] uh good for the town but uh i guess the
[2:26:45] question is what if we said no
[2:26:47] and and tried to work this out herself
[2:26:50] is that a
[2:26:51] a non option is that a not an option
[2:26:55] i think council member knight i will
[2:26:56] first say that negotiating
[2:26:59] with the post office structure is
[2:27:01] challenging and unique because i really
[2:27:02] do not have
[2:27:04] the general leverage that you would have
[2:27:06] in negotiations because
[2:27:08] are we prepared to walk away from having
[2:27:11] the post office as a tenant
[2:27:12] and tell them no especially when we you
[2:27:16] know
[2:27:16] centered into a we went through this
[2:27:18] quite a bit
[2:27:19] so i will share with you that um we are
[2:27:21] behind the timeline that they would have
[2:27:23] preferred for us to bring the renewal
[2:27:26] and according to the broker we sort of
[2:27:29] push them to the limits of the
[2:27:31] broader terms that they have they do
[2:27:33] reflect a little bit we provided some
[2:27:35] background on
[2:27:37] rents and information in the outfield
[2:27:40] i will tell you you know we haven't done
[2:27:42] this in 15
[2:27:43] some years so i i think we're catching
[2:27:45] up some and they realize that
[2:27:47] but but yes it's sort of like
[2:27:49] negotiating with the 800 pound gorilla
[2:27:51] in the room
[2:27:52] and you really aren't
[2:27:54] [Music]
[2:27:56] you really aren't going to get rid of
[2:27:58] that and are we able to do something so
[2:28:02] short answer not a lot of luck with that
[2:28:04] regard okay well thank you
[2:28:06] uh town manager and steve for your work
[2:28:08] i appreciate that
[2:28:09] and uh i would think that i would think
[2:28:11] the post office wouldn't want to go away
[2:28:13] but uh
[2:28:14] but you know these days who knows so uh
[2:28:17] thanks for your work
[2:28:19] and to that point steve what is the
[2:28:22] outcome if there is a consolidation of
[2:28:26] post office locations just based on the
[2:28:29] the
[2:28:30] financial conditions of the postal
[2:28:33] service
[2:28:33] as a whole uh what happens you know if
[2:28:36] we're paying this 36 000 commission
[2:28:38] upfront for example
[2:28:41] are we we just lose that amortization of
[2:28:43] that money
[2:28:45] what happens to the contract do we know
[2:28:47] well
[2:28:48] one if they void the contract you know
[2:28:51] with that regard my understanding to the
[2:28:54] first point is that
[2:28:56] some of the small offices around us
[2:28:59] like the veterans home
[2:29:03] [Music]
[2:29:05] oakville rutherford they would be merged
[2:29:08] into either saint olena
[2:29:09] or youngville those would be the ones
[2:29:11] that are impacted
[2:29:12] we have a larger service area and base
[2:29:16] so that's the first understanding um
[2:29:19] they don't anticipate that with this
[2:29:20] location well their attempt to close the
[2:29:23] post office at the vets home
[2:29:24] went quite badly for them a few years
[2:29:28] ago so
[2:29:29] that's not likely going to happen again
[2:29:31] okay
[2:29:32] i guess it's uh we'll deal with it if
[2:29:34] that's the reality in the future
[2:29:37] okay any other question yeah
[2:29:39] councilmember mueller
[2:29:40] no no question i was just getting ready
[2:29:42] to make a resolution after you took
[2:29:44] public comment
[2:29:45] that's what i'll do now if there are no
[2:29:47] other questions of counsel
[2:29:49] michelle any public comment on this no
[2:29:51] mayor
[2:29:52] there has not been any thank you
[2:29:54] councilmember mueller
[2:29:55] so i'll make a motion that we approve
[2:29:57] resolution
[2:29:59] uh 21-40 55 adopt resolution authorizing
[2:30:04] renewal of lease with the u.s postal
[2:30:06] service for the town
[2:30:07] owned post office building located at
[2:30:10] 6514 washington street commencing july 1
[2:30:14] 2022 through june 30th
[2:30:18] 2027 with a five-year option to extend
[2:30:21] the lease in approving payment
[2:30:22] of real estate broker commission of 36
[2:30:26] thousand dollars and zero cents
[2:30:29] just a second thank you our
[2:30:32] uh motion councilmember moller second
[2:30:34] councilmember doran becker is what i
[2:30:36] heard
[2:30:37] michelle roll call vote please thank you
[2:30:39] council member mueller
[2:30:41] yes council member dorne becker yes
[2:30:45] councilmember knight yes vice mayor
[2:30:47] dorman
[2:30:49] yes mayor dunbar yes thank you
[2:30:53] thank you and again thanks to staff for
[2:30:55] negotiating with the federal agency
[2:30:58] i'm sure it was a lot of fun
[2:31:01] uh we are going to take a five minute
[2:31:03] comfort break please keep it to five
[2:31:05] minutes if at all possible and we'll get
[2:31:07] back here at 5
[2:31:08] 30 8. just a very short comfort break
[2:31:10] thank you
[2:31:26] do
[2:31:54] c
[2:37:24] okay and we are back thank you everyone
[2:37:27] for being timely item 10
[2:37:28] c is our proposed parks and recreation
[2:37:32] master planning process
[2:37:34] discussion and possible direction
[2:37:36] regarding our parks and recreation
[2:37:38] master plan
[2:37:39] process samantha
[2:37:43] good evening all thank you i'm here this
[2:37:46] evening to
[2:37:48] us and ask for your input um
[2:37:52] for staff and the parks and recreation
[2:37:54] advisory commission
[2:37:56] on what we're proposing for a parks and
[2:37:58] recreation master planning process
[2:38:02] as you may recall in the 2015-2016 parks
[2:38:05] and recreation department budget
[2:38:07] you had approved a five-year strategic
[2:38:10] planning process
[2:38:11] that was included funding for a
[2:38:14] consultant to
[2:38:15] complete that process with us as we
[2:38:18] began
[2:38:19] preparing the request for proposal and
[2:38:21] sending that out
[2:38:22] it became clear that the overlapping
[2:38:24] nature of other
[2:38:25] planning processes that were going on
[2:38:27] concurrently
[2:38:29] we had the climate action plan and we're
[2:38:30] also doing i believe it was the housing
[2:38:33] update to the general plan
[2:38:34] um decided with the town manager it
[2:38:37] would be best to
[2:38:38] take a pause on pursuing that to not
[2:38:41] overwhelm our citizens
[2:38:43] with input and outreach requests
[2:38:46] so we tabled that at the time um the
[2:38:48] money went unspent
[2:38:50] um and then fast forward to today and
[2:38:52] the parks and recreation advisory
[2:38:54] commission
[2:38:54] and staff are revisiting the need for
[2:38:56] this type of a formal planning process
[2:38:59] and planned document which we see as
[2:39:02] something
[2:39:02] very beneficial for the town for staff
[2:39:05] and for our residents
[2:39:07] which would have an inventory and
[2:39:08] analysis of our current facilities and
[2:39:11] programs
[2:39:12] as well as plan and have a discussion
[2:39:14] for the future
[2:39:15] use of our facilities and programs
[2:39:18] so for those of you who already know
[2:39:21] this will be a
[2:39:23] refresh for you but a parks and
[2:39:25] recreation master plan
[2:39:26] is not something that the town of
[2:39:28] yonkville has done before
[2:39:30] so this would be a new planning document
[2:39:32] to guide us
[2:39:33] so a master plan in parks and recreation
[2:39:36] is a comprehensive long-range strategy
[2:39:39] uh to for the creation optimization and
[2:39:41] maintenance of our communities assets
[2:39:44] uh so in yonkville our assets are
[2:39:46] obviously our parks our paths
[2:39:48] trails and our facilities
[2:39:52] brick and mortar facilities as well as
[2:39:53] our recreation programming and services
[2:39:57] so we look at where we take an overview
[2:40:00] of the whole system
[2:40:01] where it stands today and then plans for
[2:40:04] the future
[2:40:05] so the plan would provide an
[2:40:06] organizational framework for improving
[2:40:09] our parks and recreation facilities
[2:40:10] programs and services
[2:40:12] to better serve the current residents of
[2:40:14] yachtville and also plan for the future
[2:40:18] as you know young phil has seen some
[2:40:20] changes over even just the shoot a few
[2:40:22] short years with the closure of the
[2:40:24] school
[2:40:24] and changing demographics there's a
[2:40:27] benefit to parks and recreation master
[2:40:29] plans
[2:40:30] for guiding staff and the community as
[2:40:33] well as the other decision making
[2:40:35] it also helps to build credibility
[2:40:37] support and consensus amongst community
[2:40:39] members
[2:40:40] informs citizens about needs and
[2:40:43] community assets
[2:40:45] identifies capital improvement goals and
[2:40:47] fiscal requirements
[2:40:48] it can help us position for alternative
[2:40:51] funding and grants
[2:40:52] it can also guide critical decisions
[2:40:54] about facilities infrastructure programs
[2:40:57] and services
[2:40:58] and then develops recommendations and an
[2:41:01] implementation
[2:41:02] strategy so to be successful obviously
[2:41:06] and move forward
[2:41:07] with any goals outlined in the plan it
[2:41:10] would need to align with all of the
[2:41:11] other current plans that we current
[2:41:13] we have in the not just in the town of
[2:41:16] yonville but
[2:41:16] in the county that directly
[2:41:20] correlate which we see as the general
[2:41:22] plan the climate action plan we have an
[2:41:24] ada accessibility plan
[2:41:26] the cip the napa county bicycle plan and
[2:41:29] more
[2:41:31] and also to be successful the plan needs
[2:41:33] to be flexible
[2:41:34] it needs to be cost effective achievable
[2:41:37] something that's useful
[2:41:38] and something that's used and of course
[2:41:41] involve the public for input and
[2:41:43] feedback
[2:41:44] throughout the process so generally
[2:41:47] there's three
[2:41:48] there's four main steps to the process
[2:41:50] which i included an attachment
[2:41:52] um on more detail with that that's just
[2:41:55] a draft it's not a set and shown
[2:41:58] but generally you would we would review
[2:42:00] existing conditions in inventory
[2:42:02] which is something we already do as far
[2:42:04] as our capital improvement
[2:42:06] plan and our inventory goes as we assess
[2:42:09] our
[2:42:09] assets like playgrounds and our
[2:42:12] facilities so some of that documentation
[2:42:14] already exists
[2:42:15] we'd also review our programming and
[2:42:18] services offered
[2:42:20] and include those in inventory then we
[2:42:23] would analyze
[2:42:23] needs and preferences a lot of that
[2:42:26] would be
[2:42:26] looking at the community asking for
[2:42:28] feedback and then looking at what we see
[2:42:31] our future is whether they're issues or
[2:42:35] things that we see on the horizon we
[2:42:38] would develop and prioritize an action
[2:42:40] plan
[2:42:40] and then adopt and implement the plan
[2:42:44] so it's a little different prop most
[2:42:45] likely because of our scale
[2:42:47] we're really recommending that this
[2:42:49] could be mostly an internal process
[2:42:52] so generally speaking master plans are
[2:42:55] something that
[2:42:56] you would involve a consultant from the
[2:42:58] start it can be anywhere from
[2:43:00] in this market probably 60 000 and up
[2:43:04] for a master planning process so we're
[2:43:07] recommending that we
[2:43:08] over um it will take a little bit longer
[2:43:11] but working
[2:43:12] with mostly the parks and rec department
[2:43:14] and public works department that we
[2:43:16] would
[2:43:16] um be able to do a lot of that process
[2:43:19] in-house with the exception of some
[2:43:21] strategic
[2:43:22] public outreach and engagement and then
[2:43:24] data analysis
[2:43:26] so we have gone over this with the parks
[2:43:29] and recreation advisory commission
[2:43:31] at length some of this was stimulated
[2:43:33] from things that are coming up at that
[2:43:35] at those meetings and with the public
[2:43:37] input there but it also
[2:43:39] comes back to staff's desire
[2:43:42] um to we have something that can be
[2:43:45] historical in nature that we can refer
[2:43:47] back to that
[2:43:48] and that we could also update
[2:43:49] periodically as we move forward
[2:43:52] um so we are proposing in the
[2:43:55] administrative budget for parks and
[2:43:56] recreation in the next fiscal year
[2:43:58] fifteen thousand dollars in contract
[2:44:00] services so you'll see that tomorrow in
[2:44:03] our budget presentation
[2:44:05] and that would really be used to hire
[2:44:07] consultants just
[2:44:08] to assist with that public outreach and
[2:44:10] engagement and data analysis
[2:44:12] and that's really for credibility
[2:44:14] reasons there's
[2:44:15] um you know there can be an uh feeling
[2:44:18] in the community if staff
[2:44:20] is directing or guiding to too much
[2:44:23] um or if the public is not necessarily
[2:44:27] feeling hurt or that there is a
[2:44:29] non-partial
[2:44:30] person that is helping with that process
[2:44:32] of gathering and analyzing that data
[2:44:37] so really um i i just would like to
[2:44:39] reiterate that staff feels really
[2:44:41] strongly that this
[2:44:42] is uh could be a really beneficial
[2:44:44] project just for
[2:44:45] the town for staff to implement
[2:44:48] and then also for the public engagement
[2:44:50] that goes along with it
[2:44:53] we are requesting i'm requesting tonight
[2:44:56] oh and what i was going to say was the
[2:44:58] personal recreation commission felt very
[2:44:59] strongly
[2:45:00] the before any movement happened in this
[2:45:03] process that the council gave
[2:45:04] feedback and make sure that everyone was
[2:45:07] on board with entering into this type of
[2:45:09] process
[2:45:10] and then providing feedback you know if
[2:45:13] um
[2:45:14] things you would like to see things you
[2:45:16] don't want to see we don't have to get
[2:45:17] into those specifics but
[2:45:19] you know the goal of the master plan is
[2:45:21] really higher level it's not
[2:45:23] to analyze each individual park and
[2:45:25] discuss what people like and don't like
[2:45:27] it's more of a guiding
[2:45:29] document of you know we see our
[2:45:30] demographics changing
[2:45:32] are we meeting the needs of our current
[2:45:34] residents and are we thinking forward to
[2:45:36] those changes that we could
[2:45:38] see in the future and are we planning
[2:45:40] for those changes as well
[2:45:42] so i'm happy to answer any questions but
[2:45:45] again would really appreciate any
[2:45:46] feedback
[2:45:47] um in whether you're in support of this
[2:45:50] type of a
[2:45:50] project or not and then of course
[2:45:54] it will discuss it or not based on your
[2:45:57] feedback as well at tomorrow's budget
[2:45:59] meeting
[2:45:59] thank you thank you samantha let me ask
[2:46:02] you just uh
[2:46:03] an opening question about the timing of
[2:46:05] this
[2:46:06] um it's not just a financial thing
[2:46:09] fifteen thousand dollars uh
[2:46:10] you know it's fifteen thousand dollars
[2:46:12] it's not a
[2:46:14] giant sum of money but it's money uh but
[2:46:17] also to evaluate in the current climate
[2:46:20] of
[2:46:21] park and recreational programming and
[2:46:23] activity
[2:46:24] can we
[2:46:25] [Music]
[2:46:27] evaluate what's working what's not
[2:46:30] working what we might want to do
[2:46:32] at that 30 000 foot level given the fact
[2:46:35] that we've been
[2:46:36] completely disconnected from normality
[2:46:39] for the last year
[2:46:40] and are still not back to total you know
[2:46:43] regular behavior you feel like this is
[2:46:44] still
[2:46:45] an okay time to to launch this kind of a
[2:46:49] review
[2:46:51] i do i think that um even though we
[2:46:54] weren't able to
[2:46:56] maintain our connections in traditional
[2:46:58] ways we definitely
[2:46:59] did maintain those connections in
[2:47:01] alternate ways so
[2:47:02] i don't think that um that would really
[2:47:05] inhibit it i think
[2:47:06] you know people will kind of have to
[2:47:08] look at 20 2019 and early 2020 as kind
[2:47:11] of the baseline of what
[2:47:13] we are used to providing um but again if
[2:47:16] we're really looking at kind of that 30
[2:47:18] 000 foot level and not
[2:47:20] a specific program say you know we're
[2:47:22] not going to
[2:47:23] you know at length plan every um program
[2:47:26] under the golden ticket heading um in a
[2:47:28] public meeting it's more of a higher
[2:47:30] level i think
[2:47:31] i think we would get that feedback from
[2:47:34] the community on you know what is it
[2:47:36] that they
[2:47:37] are looking for what are the needs that
[2:47:40] they
[2:47:41] want met okay thank you councilmember
[2:47:43] knight
[2:47:44] to add also the very first portion
[2:47:48] a significant timeline is a lot of the
[2:47:52] input gathering data collection and
[2:47:54] documentation as to the existing
[2:47:57] so we will be you know by the time we
[2:48:00] get
[2:48:00] to the community outreach and engagement
[2:48:04] we would hope that we're more into our
[2:48:06] normal programming aspect
[2:48:08] okay thank you now councilmember knight
[2:48:12] thank you mayor i absolutely can support
[2:48:16] um a a parks recreation master planning
[2:48:20] process now
[2:48:21] i think it's the perfect time we
[2:48:22] finished a general plan
[2:48:24] um we've done our climate action and
[2:48:27] uh it's really time now for us to plan
[2:48:31] uh really for the future either from a
[2:48:34] bird's eye view or also looking at
[2:48:36] individual parks because
[2:48:38] we've we've spent money we've improved
[2:48:41] community park
[2:48:42] we've seen uses change at vineyard park
[2:48:45] because of pickleball
[2:48:47] we see i think opportunities for more
[2:48:50] uses at veterans park
[2:48:52] because of music in the park and other
[2:48:54] activities so
[2:48:55] i absolutely support the process yeah i
[2:48:58] think you'll
[2:48:59] maybe it's up to you director holland
[2:49:01] whether maybe at some point you do
[2:49:03] assessment and information gathering
[2:49:05] first before you bring on a consultant
[2:49:07] but
[2:49:08] um i think the consultant could help
[2:49:10] with uh
[2:49:12] just uh just doing some of that
[2:49:15] community outreach that may be difficult
[2:49:17] to do in in-house
[2:49:20] i i look at the your steps and i think
[2:49:23] they're very good i would just strongly
[2:49:25] encourage that as that as you go through
[2:49:28] the assessment and information gathering
[2:49:30] that you're
[2:49:31] um every two months the parks and rec
[2:49:35] commission the prak and the community
[2:49:38] through prac that they're being able to
[2:49:41] give you input
[2:49:42] and assess the work provide on
[2:49:45] information
[2:49:48] i would enjoy maybe an update in six
[2:49:51] months
[2:49:52] but uh thank you for the work you do and
[2:49:55] that your recreational staff does for
[2:49:57] this community
[2:49:58] i think we'll be a better community when
[2:50:01] once we go through this
[2:50:02] process so thank you
[2:50:06] thank you vice mayor dorman
[2:50:09] thank you um thank you director holland
[2:50:12] um
[2:50:14] so i have uh had the opportunity to sit
[2:50:17] in on some of the p-rack meetings to see
[2:50:19] this
[2:50:20] coming along um
[2:50:24] i know that it is it seems to me it's
[2:50:26] intended to be resident-centric
[2:50:28] of what we as a community want to see in
[2:50:31] our parks
[2:50:32] but i also wonder should
[2:50:36] or can we include use
[2:50:39] and user data early on because i think
[2:50:41] to the mayor's point
[2:50:43] during covid we had a lot of folks here
[2:50:47] who were not yachtville residents
[2:50:50] will that continue will that not
[2:50:52] continue
[2:50:54] you know how does that fit in with our
[2:50:56] planning for our community
[2:50:58] so i think i have some discussion points
[2:51:00] but that is my question is
[2:51:03] how when should we include
[2:51:06] that kind of data also
[2:51:10] yeah i think um it's a great question i
[2:51:13] think that
[2:51:14] you know you you can't deny that we are
[2:51:17] a tourism-centered
[2:51:18] uh town but i think what what i've
[2:51:21] always
[2:51:21] advocated for and what my i say and it
[2:51:24] is true
[2:51:25] is that your parks and recreation
[2:51:27] department through the town is here to
[2:51:29] serve the residents
[2:51:30] um and that's not to say that we don't
[2:51:32] serve non-residents it's just when we're
[2:51:34] planning
[2:51:35] for the future i think um what's going
[2:51:37] to serve our residents will also
[2:51:39] serve our visitors and non-residents and
[2:51:42] so
[2:51:43] um it's some of it what you're asking is
[2:51:46] is hard to quantitate because
[2:51:48] we don't have an in and out in all of
[2:51:50] our parks
[2:51:51] so we don't necessarily know um who's
[2:51:54] dropping in and visiting
[2:51:56] our parks on a daily basis because we're
[2:51:59] not
[2:51:59] equipped and not staffed like that we
[2:52:01] definitely do have the data for any type
[2:52:03] of programming with registration or if
[2:52:06] it's a park picnic site rental or
[2:52:08] something like that
[2:52:09] um so we are able to quantitate that but
[2:52:12] um
[2:52:12] you know the use of our parks is
[2:52:14] something that comes up regularly
[2:52:17] um from the public and it's a discussion
[2:52:19] point at
[2:52:20] our um parks and recreation advisory
[2:52:22] commissions as well
[2:52:24] that we grapple with a little bit is you
[2:52:26] know we have beautiful parks
[2:52:28] they're very accessible and that's kind
[2:52:30] of the the um
[2:52:32] overarching goal of public parks is that
[2:52:35] they're open to the public
[2:52:36] and so people could come from anywhere
[2:52:38] and visit them so i think it's a fine
[2:52:40] balance but i think every time that
[2:52:42] you as a council of the parks and
[2:52:44] recreation advisory commission or staff
[2:52:46] have recommended any type of project in
[2:52:48] our parks
[2:52:49] it's to improve the quality of life for
[2:52:51] our residents first
[2:52:53] and then if we have visitors that enjoy
[2:52:54] it as well
[2:52:56] that's just an added benefit um but i
[2:52:59] think we would
[2:53:00] you know in surveying we can definitely
[2:53:02] control that by asking
[2:53:03] questions about residency so if you know
[2:53:06] you ask
[2:53:06] the survey completion person if they are
[2:53:09] you know what their zip code is
[2:53:11] we can definitely query response like
[2:53:13] that
[2:53:14] um definitely by taking attendance at
[2:53:16] public meetings and
[2:53:18] things like that as far as the feedback
[2:53:20] that we're
[2:53:22] um getting help to help me understand
[2:53:25] because i'm i
[2:53:26] i'm generally in favor of the idea i am
[2:53:29] but to um help me understand that kind
[2:53:31] of the scope of it
[2:53:33] some of the p-rack meetings have talked
[2:53:34] about um
[2:53:37] residents look at the park and they want
[2:53:38] to have more picnic tables
[2:53:41] for residents because they feel either a
[2:53:44] they're being rented or b
[2:53:45] people are coming from out of town and
[2:53:47] using the tables
[2:53:48] does something like that go in the plan
[2:53:51] or
[2:53:51] is that too uh it's that's to me it
[2:53:55] would be
[2:53:55] to this by night i mean it may come up
[2:53:58] it definitely might come up
[2:53:59] from public feedback you can't really
[2:54:01] control that but what the goal of
[2:54:04] you know kind of the staff as the
[2:54:06] facilitators and then
[2:54:07] you know as planning would be more of a
[2:54:10] higher level
[2:54:11] that i would take that and say you know
[2:54:14] residents
[2:54:14] feel there's not enough drop in space in
[2:54:16] our park system
[2:54:18] that that might be the conversation that
[2:54:21] we analyze
[2:54:22] is not you know are there enough picnic
[2:54:24] tables but
[2:54:25] you know is it our reservable areas
[2:54:27] versus non-reservable areas or we do we
[2:54:29] have an imbalance or something that
[2:54:31] would be a goal that we would analyze so
[2:54:33] i would kind of
[2:54:34] try to take those if there were you know
[2:54:36] a lot of comments to that type of an
[2:54:39] issue
[2:54:39] not just one obviously if we felt like
[2:54:42] that was rising to the top
[2:54:44] on a lot of our feedback then we would
[2:54:46] look further into that kind of on a
[2:54:48] higher level
[2:54:49] of use um and not do we need three extra
[2:54:53] picnic tables at
[2:54:54] build community park for a drop in use i
[2:54:56] don't i don't think we would get into
[2:54:58] that
[2:54:59] that level you
[2:55:04] i bet some people are going to want to
[2:55:05] get into that level
[2:55:08] yeah and i think that's the tricky part
[2:55:10] about how you how you
[2:55:12] approach that but and they'll have a
[2:55:14] good idea where you should put those
[2:55:16] tables as well
[2:55:17] yes and i do think we we don't want to
[2:55:19] kid ourselves but we will get that kind
[2:55:21] of feedback
[2:55:22] but i think we want to start first at
[2:55:25] what do we want in the parks
[2:55:27] what are the communities broader
[2:55:28] interests rather
[2:55:30] than the location of table 12. right
[2:55:33] you know if we you know if we feel that
[2:55:36] there's inadequate
[2:55:37] tables to meet the use demand then
[2:55:39] that's what we respond to
[2:55:41] rather than and also you know we want to
[2:55:44] take a broad look
[2:55:46] at survey the community
[2:55:49] and survey known stakeholder groups for
[2:55:52] example we know youngville community
[2:55:54] park
[2:55:55] has a county-wide reputation a lot of
[2:55:58] young families
[2:55:59] it's on their list and spots to come
[2:56:02] because of the quality of our children's
[2:56:04] playground
[2:56:04] that's that's been a historic you know
[2:56:07] relative fact
[2:56:08] we have now learned that we have a
[2:56:10] pickleball and tennis constituency
[2:56:12] during covet that have found our our
[2:56:15] court facilities
[2:56:16] quite interesting and quite attractive
[2:56:19] so you know there are some stakeholder
[2:56:20] groups bocce
[2:56:21] things like that that are located that
[2:56:24] can be quantified
[2:56:26] and included um but again
[2:56:29] a lot of the first phase is just really
[2:56:31] a a
[2:56:32] good informational background what do we
[2:56:35] have at the parks
[2:56:36] what are the facilities and going from
[2:56:39] there and
[2:56:40] and then presenting that information in
[2:56:42] phases and then having the community
[2:56:43] respond to it
[2:56:44] um i agree with that we're excited uh
[2:56:47] from a management perspective we do
[2:56:49] think
[2:56:49] uh this is you know sort of one of the
[2:56:53] projects in line and hopefully you know
[2:56:55] we're moving more towards the
[2:56:56] programmatic side of it
[2:56:58] but we are excited about where this this
[2:57:01] project can take us
[2:57:03] councilor doernbecher thank you
[2:57:07] um and thank you samantha um
[2:57:11] you do so much work i don't know where
[2:57:13] you're gonna find the time but i
[2:57:14] appreciate this
[2:57:15] effort so i wanted to to
[2:57:18] clarify for our residents
[2:57:22] that the goal of this uh parks planning
[2:57:25] is really not to expand
[2:57:29] the paid usage in the park that is not
[2:57:32] the goal
[2:57:33] um and
[2:57:36] i really really want to stress that
[2:57:39] um the outreach to the community and
[2:57:43] without any the big
[2:57:46] the big criticism that i heard over and
[2:57:48] over again
[2:57:50] about our uh
[2:57:53] general plan update committee was that
[2:57:57] when the committee met a lot of times
[2:58:00] the um they
[2:58:04] the person that we hired to be the uh
[2:58:08] facilitator came with ideas
[2:58:11] already fomented and um
[2:58:14] i think that that put a lot of the
[2:58:17] residents
[2:58:18] off so i guess my point is that
[2:58:21] i want to make sure that the residents
[2:58:23] know that we want to
[2:58:25] hear from them what is it that
[2:58:28] in the parks they would like to see more
[2:58:30] of and
[2:58:32] and um i know that they would like to
[2:58:34] see
[2:58:35] fewer people from out of town but
[2:58:38] as you said so clearly public parks
[2:58:41] that's what's always my answer it's a
[2:58:43] public park we cannot tell people
[2:58:46] i'm sorry don't step into our park so
[2:58:49] anyway i just i think it's a great idea
[2:58:52] holding that thought that you know this
[2:58:56] is our little town and our parks
[2:58:59] and where you know let's look at it from
[2:59:02] the view from that way okay
[2:59:05] thank you councilmember mueller
[2:59:10] thank you
[2:59:14] i think this is a um great idea
[2:59:18] uh i definitely see this uh as a master
[2:59:21] plan
[2:59:22] not a strategic plan i guess that's the
[2:59:24] way i kind of look at the difference
[2:59:25] between the two of the
[2:59:26] strategic plan it's more short-term what
[2:59:29] are we going to do next or what we're
[2:59:30] going to do with these amount of years
[2:59:31] but
[2:59:32] i think it's a great idea to have a
[2:59:35] um a master plan i i know that
[2:59:39] you know during the general plan we had
[2:59:41] you know quite a bit of discussion about
[2:59:43] arts but we uh you know we just kind of
[2:59:47] generally took pictures of our parks and
[2:59:49] so i think this is
[2:59:50] uh definitely needed i have a
[2:59:54] couple general questions for you sam
[2:59:56] just to kind of hear
[2:59:57] your reaction um because i think what
[3:00:00] we're
[3:00:01] hearing tonight about you know this is
[3:00:04] going to be
[3:00:04] high level it's not going to be granular
[3:00:07] you know
[3:00:07] maybe some residents didn't feel the
[3:00:11] facilitator um you know
[3:00:15] gave them what they wanted but maybe the
[3:00:17] facilitator
[3:00:18] you know did try to keep it at a higher
[3:00:20] level so
[3:00:21] do you think it would so here's my first
[3:00:23] question do you think it would be a
[3:00:25] value
[3:00:26] uh and maybe which part early on in the
[3:00:29] in this process
[3:00:30] for the council and
[3:00:34] parks and rec commission to have a joint
[3:00:36] meeting
[3:00:37] um just so it would be kind of official
[3:00:40] we could answer other questions and you
[3:00:42] know
[3:00:43] make sure that we are all on the same
[3:00:45] page because i've also watched the parks
[3:00:47] and rec
[3:00:48] commission they really wanted our buy-in
[3:00:50] so
[3:00:51] do you see any value or not to
[3:00:54] a joint meeting i think you know a joint
[3:00:57] meeting is is a great
[3:00:59] idea anyways i know michelle and steve
[3:01:02] have discussed that you know trying to
[3:01:04] do something annually with the
[3:01:05] commissions but i think
[3:01:06] having that dialogue especially around
[3:01:09] this kind of
[3:01:09] an important process that again the town
[3:01:12] has never done
[3:01:14] um i think would be really important as
[3:01:16] far as everybody
[3:01:17] discussing and making sure they're on
[3:01:20] the same page as to
[3:01:21] what the outcomes that you're hoping for
[3:01:23] are um
[3:01:24] i built if you you know in the timeline
[3:01:27] i've really built a lot of check-ins in
[3:01:29] um as far as but that doesn't
[3:01:31] necessarily mean that
[3:01:33] there is you know um whether you're
[3:01:36] watching their meeting or you're they're
[3:01:38] watching your meeting
[3:01:39] you're not really having the chance to
[3:01:41] discuss with each other
[3:01:43] um you know there may as we evolve and
[3:01:46] maybe that's good feedback for me
[3:01:47] if you think you know i know you're all
[3:01:50] meeting now
[3:01:51] but if there is a desire to have you
[3:01:54] know
[3:01:54] council members and prac members you
[3:01:57] know be appointed to
[3:01:58] work on the process you know that's
[3:02:00] something that we could discuss as well
[3:02:03] um but my goal you know internally and
[3:02:05] knowing how
[3:02:06] how yonto works a little differently
[3:02:08] than some other places is that those
[3:02:10] kind of more
[3:02:12] more um frequent check-ins are gonna
[3:02:14] going to be important
[3:02:16] during the process um and not just you
[3:02:19] you know looking at the my outline and
[3:02:22] then getting a final document to look at
[3:02:24] you know i don't think that's gonna be
[3:02:26] productive either so
[3:02:28] um but i definitely think a joint
[3:02:30] meeting would be
[3:02:31] really beneficial okay so my
[3:02:34] second question um it's kind of the
[3:02:36] elephant uh
[3:02:38] in the room the downfall elementary
[3:02:41] school
[3:02:42] property we have uh no idea i don't
[3:02:44] think any of our crystal balls are
[3:02:46] very clear on uh where that is going so
[3:02:50] would that be something that uh but i
[3:02:53] know i've heard a lot of uh
[3:02:55] um i won't even call them public
[3:02:57] comments they're all rumors
[3:02:58] oh i heard it's going to be this i heard
[3:03:00] it's going to be that would
[3:03:01] there be a
[3:03:05] discussion about you know if this
[3:03:07] happened we
[3:03:08] you know something like this may happen
[3:03:11] or do you think we should
[3:03:12] just you know leave that totally out and
[3:03:14] amend the report if something happens
[3:03:17] i think you know we would be remiss to
[3:03:19] not at least
[3:03:20] dive into it a little bit i mean knowing
[3:03:23] what is potentially on the horizon
[3:03:25] obviously
[3:03:26] we're not able to say you know that it's
[3:03:28] going to be
[3:03:29] this or that but um you know that i
[3:03:32] would see
[3:03:32] as an opportunity you know when we
[3:03:35] discuss you know strengths weaknesses
[3:03:37] opportunities threats i would see that
[3:03:38] as a potential opportunity on the
[3:03:40] horizon and that
[3:03:42] you know if the community did have um
[3:03:45] open space or parks
[3:03:46] as part of that transaction
[3:03:50] what would they want to see what would
[3:03:52] our residents want to see
[3:03:54] um i think you know um
[3:03:58] you know i it's so up in the air but i
[3:04:00] think if we're gonna go through this
[3:04:01] process
[3:04:02] that is definitely identified as the
[3:04:04] only place that we would have any type
[3:04:07] of new park
[3:04:08] development because we are our parks are
[3:04:10] all built out they're all well
[3:04:12] established
[3:04:13] well maintained and just really on more
[3:04:15] of a maintenance schedule at this point
[3:04:17] that would be the only space that we
[3:04:19] would have to discuss
[3:04:20] type of future use so
[3:04:23] okay thanks those are my questions yes
[3:04:26] i'm in in support
[3:04:27] of a master plan i know councilmember
[3:04:30] knight has
[3:04:31] been patiently waiting but steve did you
[3:04:33] have a direct response to
[3:04:36] something it was just said well what i
[3:04:38] wanted to share is
[3:04:39] i strongly support the joint meetings
[3:04:41] we've you know covet has been a
[3:04:43] challenge but we have a
[3:04:44] historic track record of the council and
[3:04:47] our
[3:04:48] boards having a joint meeting and i do
[3:04:51] think
[3:04:51] earlier in this discussion i support
[3:04:54] director
[3:04:55] holland's point that this would be a
[3:04:57] great check-in as we're getting some of
[3:04:58] the first legs under us
[3:05:00] sharing it and presenting i'd also echo
[3:05:03] that i don't think
[3:05:04] you know the community would in would
[3:05:06] consider a parks and rec discussion
[3:05:09] process
[3:05:09] valid uh without some acknowledgement of
[3:05:13] yeonville elementary and at some point
[3:05:14] in this process
[3:05:16] we may know where the situation goes so
[3:05:19] i think a basic
[3:05:20] understanding or what might we use it
[3:05:23] is a logical question and then if we
[3:05:25] know more
[3:05:26] you know that that's it's not you know
[3:05:29] we're going to have to it's going to
[3:05:31] come up so i think we have to figure out
[3:05:33] a way to
[3:05:34] address it but we also you know may have
[3:05:37] a a better point even
[3:05:39] if we know where the disposition goes at
[3:05:41] that point in time
[3:05:42] then we can respond to it in more detail
[3:05:45] would be my general recommendation
[3:05:50] yeah i think we have to be very careful
[3:05:52] uh merging these two concepts
[3:05:54] in a very different situation and
[3:05:56] circumstances that are
[3:05:58] happening with the negotiations and
[3:06:01] conversations with the school district
[3:06:02] so
[3:06:03] i just throw out that caution um
[3:06:07] i'll stop there um councilmember knight
[3:06:10] thank you mayor um so
[3:06:13] i support and we a few people talked i
[3:06:16] support
[3:06:16] um a joint meeting between council and
[3:06:19] and prac
[3:06:20] um but uh i think what i also
[3:06:24] just want to also support i mean this
[3:06:26] the framing of this argument
[3:06:28] that uh councilmember moeller said that
[3:06:30] that we're really
[3:06:32] i think discussing with the community
[3:06:35] first a master plan we're we're looking
[3:06:38] at the uses we're looking we're looking
[3:06:39] at a master
[3:06:40] a big plan of the parks our paths and
[3:06:43] everything
[3:06:43] and then um at some point just like we
[3:06:47] finished our general plan and we're
[3:06:48] moving to updates of the
[3:06:50] zoning and design document that we moved
[3:06:52] to a point
[3:06:53] where it's more specific in strategic
[3:06:55] planning
[3:06:56] because you know i would
[3:06:59] never discount any comment from any
[3:07:02] resident
[3:07:03] that is were is concerned about
[3:07:05] particular bench here or there
[3:07:07] i would just continue to talk to them
[3:07:10] about the purpose of what we're doing
[3:07:11] and encouraging their involvement
[3:07:14] and uh um i you know i think it's
[3:07:17] important to look at
[3:07:18] like we talked a few months ago about a
[3:07:21] uh um a frequency and location
[3:07:24] policy about special events and i think
[3:07:27] that should at some point down the road
[3:07:29] be part of a conversation
[3:07:30] because there are events that for
[3:07:33] example that the mayor supports and
[3:07:35] and and uh that come to our community
[3:07:38] and our use our parts
[3:07:40] and these are valuable valley-wide
[3:07:43] greater community-wide events that are
[3:07:46] that um i'm glad that we sponsor and
[3:07:49] that we participate
[3:07:50] and that we're we're deeply involved in
[3:07:52] these issues
[3:07:53] and so uh um this i think all part of
[3:07:56] this
[3:07:57] this uh greater master plan and
[3:07:59] strategic planning
[3:08:00] and my last thing is that uh we've
[3:08:02] talked about this i talk about this a
[3:08:04] lot but
[3:08:04] i know it's difficult about how we
[3:08:07] approach the veterans home but the
[3:08:08] veterans home is our largest
[3:08:10] neighborhood
[3:08:11] they have paths they have resources like
[3:08:13] a pool
[3:08:14] and a museum that are important aspects
[3:08:17] of our community and
[3:08:19] please how that it's important i support
[3:08:23] reaching out to them as best we can
[3:08:26] or if it's maybe once the the facility
[3:08:29] is open it's attending an allied council
[3:08:31] meeting
[3:08:32] and getting input that way um please do
[3:08:35] that
[3:08:35] and so thank you director holland for
[3:08:37] your work and i
[3:08:38] i support this effort
[3:08:43] and i will repeat my caution about um
[3:08:48] appreciating separation of authority
[3:08:51] uh with the veterans home we do not
[3:08:53] control
[3:08:54] how the veterans home uses its property
[3:08:57] we can certainly have conversations
[3:08:59] about it
[3:09:00] but we do not have the ability to tell
[3:09:04] them to
[3:09:05] build pathways or develop parks or other
[3:09:08] services
[3:09:08] that we might want to use it is
[3:09:12] and they have repeatedly shown
[3:09:15] that they know they have complete
[3:09:18] uh control over the property so i don't
[3:09:20] want it to
[3:09:22] be misleading to our residents who might
[3:09:25] start coming up with
[3:09:27] visions of what might happen at the
[3:09:29] vet's home when we don't have the
[3:09:31] authority or jurisdiction
[3:09:32] to execute on any of it so
[3:09:35] there there is a process and a place for
[3:09:38] it i also don't know that it's at the
[3:09:39] allied council
[3:09:41] because the allied council is an
[3:09:42] advisory council to the administration
[3:09:45] the administration goes to sacramento
[3:09:48] and the leadership there we need to
[3:09:50] follow the proper
[3:09:52] protocols with that kind of outreach i
[3:09:55] don't know that it's appropriate for us
[3:09:57] in our
[3:09:58] park and rec master plan process to
[3:10:01] add in jurisdictions that we don't have
[3:10:04] authority over so i'll just put that out
[3:10:07] there
[3:10:08] we could certainly look into if they
[3:10:10] would be
[3:10:11] welcoming and inviting to ideas then
[3:10:14] that's a different conversation
[3:10:16] but we don't control the pool we don't
[3:10:17] control the museum the lincoln theater
[3:10:19] the ball field
[3:10:20] uh any of that so um
[3:10:23] with that mayor to your point i think
[3:10:26] director holland and i can reach out at
[3:10:28] appropriate times with the veterans home
[3:10:30] administration
[3:10:31] let them know what we're doing so that
[3:10:34] they're aware
[3:10:35] and you know check in with them and see
[3:10:37] because i do think you're correct we do
[3:10:38] need to
[3:10:39] be respectful of that um but at least we
[3:10:42] can say hey here's what we're doing do
[3:10:44] you have anything at your level you'd
[3:10:46] like
[3:10:47] to contribute or you know keep them
[3:10:49] posted as to where we go
[3:10:50] yeah they have their own long-term
[3:10:53] master plan process that they're
[3:10:55] also evaluating and working through so
[3:11:00] i think on that note too is just um that
[3:11:03] we will of course
[3:11:04] reach out and try to engage the veterans
[3:11:06] as residents of
[3:11:07] you know yonko although they live at the
[3:11:08] veterans home to be involved in
[3:11:10] our process if they have input as well
[3:11:13] if they utilize our resources so
[3:11:15] um that is something on the list
[3:11:18] absolutely and we've always
[3:11:20] welcomed that engagement and i think
[3:11:23] that's completely appropriate
[3:11:25] i just caution about setting false
[3:11:27] expectations of what we
[3:11:29] can and cannot execute on
[3:11:32] in the future but what i wanted to get
[3:11:34] to is
[3:11:37] i've already shared my thoughts about
[3:11:39] the timing of this and i'm
[3:11:40] certainly going to support samantha and
[3:11:43] and your plan
[3:11:44] but what i hope we can get from our
[3:11:46] residents is
[3:11:47] what's really sometimes challenging and
[3:11:49] we saw it
[3:11:50] play out with our general plan process
[3:11:52] and we've seen it with some other things
[3:11:56] in the last few years even our community
[3:11:58] center back in 2008 and nine
[3:12:01] where there some of our residents
[3:12:05] saw it as completely unnecessary and uh
[3:12:07] too expensive and
[3:12:09] we didn't need it and what i hope people
[3:12:11] can do
[3:12:12] is have a vision for young phil that
[3:12:15] might actually go beyond our time here
[3:12:18] in young phil
[3:12:19] that's what we had to do with our
[3:12:20] general plan this is not a five year
[3:12:23] three to five year general plan this is
[3:12:25] a 20 year general plan
[3:12:26] i think we need to look at all of our
[3:12:30] long term strategic planning the same
[3:12:33] way
[3:12:34] i know that some people only care about
[3:12:36] what matters to them
[3:12:38] but we can't look at it that way we have
[3:12:40] to look at it
[3:12:41] community-wide and also generational
[3:12:44] wide we hear people why aren't young
[3:12:47] families here well
[3:12:48] think about what's available to them and
[3:12:51] are we serving those needs
[3:12:54] seniors i think we have a lot of
[3:12:56] coverage with the interests
[3:12:58] for our senior population
[3:13:01] i'm not so sure that we're doing all we
[3:13:04] can to
[3:13:05] attract uh younger families with
[3:13:07] activities
[3:13:08] so i hope that people will you know
[3:13:11] i don't know the exact terminology of
[3:13:13] the
[3:13:14] of the saying and i'll butcher it
[3:13:16] unfortunately but it's it's about
[3:13:17] planting a tree but
[3:13:18] never expecting to enjoy the shade
[3:13:22] and i apologize to whomever it was that
[3:13:24] wrote it much more eloquently than that
[3:13:26] but we do need to have a vision for the
[3:13:29] future
[3:13:30] and i fully embrace that
[3:13:33] what i hope we don't see is
[3:13:36] people just limiting their ideas to what
[3:13:38] they want to do in the next
[3:13:40] one two three five years because it's on
[3:13:43] us
[3:13:44] to think more forward than that so
[3:13:48] that's the way i think we have done a
[3:13:51] lot of things and i think
[3:13:52] our park and rec use and the activities
[3:13:55] that we want to promote
[3:13:56] fall into that same category what i also
[3:13:59] want to just
[3:13:59] offer up and this is just because
[3:14:02] sometimes we get really complacent with
[3:14:04] status quo we there's a lot of pressure
[3:14:08] coming
[3:14:08] from sacramento and you know just
[3:14:12] in general for housing and for
[3:14:15] affordability and other things that we
[3:14:17] don't currently have
[3:14:19] in town we have an amazing
[3:14:23] park system and wonderful park space
[3:14:27] there may be a time when we cannot hold
[3:14:29] on to all of our park space
[3:14:32] and that needs to be part of the vision
[3:14:34] and conversation i think about
[3:14:36] what if and i'm not saying that any
[3:14:39] spaces
[3:14:40] you know open space is going away but we
[3:14:41] need to recognize that
[3:14:43] we have to have that kind of open mind
[3:14:44] and vision so
[3:14:46] um we have a great
[3:14:49] amount of open space that is fantastic
[3:14:51] one of the best things about our
[3:14:53] community just like our path system but
[3:14:55] i hope that we bring
[3:14:57] that open a mind to this process
[3:15:00] and and have it include conversations
[3:15:03] that might sometimes be a little bit
[3:15:05] uncomfortable like what will happen with
[3:15:07] the youngfield elementary school
[3:15:08] property
[3:15:10] i caution that we open that up to all
[3:15:13] people to this
[3:15:14] to discuss because a very small
[3:15:18] contingent of us are having to have very
[3:15:22] frank and challenging conversations with
[3:15:25] the school district
[3:15:26] about the future of that site and it
[3:15:28] could get complicated there will be a
[3:15:30] time when it's absolutely appropriate
[3:15:32] i hope it's soon um matter of fact the
[3:15:34] vice mayor and i are meeting with
[3:15:36] school officials on wednesday to further
[3:15:39] the conversation
[3:15:40] but um i'm speaking in kind of broad
[3:15:43] generalities because i think we have to
[3:15:44] have that kind of a vision
[3:15:46] doesn't mean that we can't figure out
[3:15:48] where does bench 12 go
[3:15:50] at some point in the process but i hope
[3:15:52] that we have
[3:15:53] a broader perspective than that
[3:15:56] thank you so with that
[3:16:00] um you need a motion to
[3:16:03] uh no we'll talk about it in the budget
[3:16:05] tomorrow for the 15k
[3:16:07] yeah we'll talk about it in the budget
[3:16:08] but this was really beneficial i
[3:16:10] appreciate all of your time and feedback
[3:16:12] and thoughtfulness
[3:16:13] and um i will be reporting that back to
[3:16:15] the p-rack hopefully some of them are
[3:16:17] watching
[3:16:18] um and then we'll bring um the budget
[3:16:22] request tomorrow and keep you very much
[3:16:25] engaged as we move forward thank you
[3:16:27] yeah i i
[3:16:29] i know you heard uh universal support
[3:16:32] for the plan
[3:16:33] and so we look forward to drilling down
[3:16:36] on it
[3:16:37] even further with the budget
[3:16:38] conversation and then moving forward so
[3:16:40] thank you
[3:16:41] thank you okay you've heard enough for
[3:16:44] me for
[3:16:45] the next few minutes at least let's
[3:16:46] let's hear from my i was looking
[3:16:48] for uh i guess cecilia you're going to
[3:16:51] handle this right
[3:16:52] our net our staff info report on our
[3:16:55] monthly financials
[3:16:56] kyle's pal's not here tonight no he is
[3:16:59] not
[3:17:00] so it is my turn tonight thank you uh
[3:17:03] mayor
[3:17:03] and good evening to you and the council
[3:17:05] just want to make sure you can hear me
[3:17:07] okay
[3:17:08] yes you froze for a moment but we could
[3:17:10] keep hearing you throughout so
[3:17:12] yeah and you're back my video is
[3:17:14] misbehaving so it'll probably
[3:17:15] um maybe freeze at an awkward time but
[3:17:18] that's okay we'll just move forward
[3:17:21] feel free to turn that off if you feel
[3:17:22] like that preserves your audio better
[3:17:25] that's
[3:17:25] quite all right i'll just look at
[3:17:27] someone else's tile
[3:17:29] okay so quick look back at activity
[3:17:31] through march 2021
[3:17:33] which represents 75 of the current
[3:17:36] fiscal year
[3:17:38] two of our main general fund revenue
[3:17:40] sources which
[3:17:41] are sales tax and transient occupancy
[3:17:43] tax
[3:17:44] still show lower than normal collections
[3:17:46] and this
[3:17:47] is due to the impacts of covid19
[3:17:50] while this trend will continue through
[3:17:52] the remainder of the fiscal year
[3:17:54] more recent information does point to
[3:17:56] positive trends as revenue collections
[3:17:59] seem to be slowly increasing
[3:18:03] all but one general fund departments are
[3:18:06] within the 75 percent
[3:18:08] of budget range the one exception is the
[3:18:10] yachtville arts department
[3:18:12] and this is due to the unanticipated
[3:18:14] artist commission expenses
[3:18:16] related to art sales but this is offset
[3:18:20] by town revenue collected from those
[3:18:22] sales
[3:18:24] many capital projects were underway
[3:18:27] and or nearing completion by march both
[3:18:30] in fund 50
[3:18:31] and in the utility enterprise capital
[3:18:33] funds
[3:18:34] most utility enterprise fund revenues
[3:18:37] are slightly higher than we would expect
[3:18:39] at this point
[3:18:40] which will help to positively offset the
[3:18:42] fact that
[3:18:43] water purchases from the veterans home
[3:18:46] reflected in the water utility
[3:18:48] fund 61 are a bit high at this point and
[3:18:51] that is based on our
[3:18:53] uh current estimated costs and um just
[3:18:56] to touch on that a little bit you
[3:18:58] as you know when at the time of
[3:18:59] budgeting um it's kind of a best guess
[3:19:01] situation for water costs
[3:19:04] and then we get more of an actual cost
[3:19:06] after the fiscal year ends so around
[3:19:09] july august just a few
[3:19:12] uh other reminders we do have a combined
[3:19:15] 1.2 million
[3:19:16] in the general fund in the assigned for
[3:19:19] budget contingency and the unassigned
[3:19:21] fund balance
[3:19:22] that will help the town deal with
[3:19:24] revenue shortfalls this fiscal year
[3:19:27] and we have not yet yet used any of the
[3:19:31] revenue stabilization reserve funds
[3:19:33] since that will not happen until we end
[3:19:35] the fiscal year
[3:19:37] and then determine the amount of
[3:19:38] expenditures over revenues
[3:19:41] so as as you will see also tomorrow in
[3:19:43] the budget workshop
[3:19:44] we do feel optimistic that the amount of
[3:19:47] revenue stabilization reserve funds that
[3:19:49] will be needed
[3:19:50] is substantially less than originally
[3:19:52] predicted so that is some very good news
[3:19:55] um looks like my video froze at a good
[3:19:58] spot so that's
[3:19:59] also some good news are there any
[3:20:01] questions
[3:20:02] from the council that i can answer
[3:20:05] we'll just have a virtual background for
[3:20:07] you up there
[3:20:08] to you there you are any questions of
[3:20:10] the financial report
[3:20:14] so thorough thank you very much i still
[3:20:17] find it amazing
[3:20:18] that we have any money coming in at all
[3:20:21] frankly
[3:20:22] we're very fortunate we are thank you
[3:20:25] thank you okay
[3:20:28] next step council meeting reports etc
[3:20:33] i'll quickly touch on today's napa
[3:20:36] county flood control
[3:20:36] water conservation district meeting we
[3:20:39] received a report on the 2020-2021
[3:20:42] napa river watershed maintenance and
[3:20:44] management program
[3:20:46] saw some slides of some significant
[3:20:49] restoration projects that have happened
[3:20:52] up and down the valley
[3:20:53] with the napa river we also had a water
[3:20:56] supply uh
[3:20:57] presentation for the county
[3:21:01] uh state water project update
[3:21:04] they reported just over 22 inches of
[3:21:05] rainfall this year
[3:21:08] pretty dry and i mentioned earlier about
[3:21:12] the
[3:21:13] reservation reservoir levels in storage
[3:21:17] so oroville reservoir the largest in the
[3:21:19] state is
[3:21:20] under 50 capacity and that's causing
[3:21:23] great concerns statewide
[3:21:27] let's see other thoughts here we talked
[3:21:29] about the
[3:21:30] link berryessa about 70 capacity rector
[3:21:34] between 60 and 65 capacity
[3:21:39] those were some of the challenging
[3:21:42] updates that we were receiving we all
[3:21:44] knew it just when you hear it
[3:21:47] that explicit sometimes it's a little
[3:21:48] bit jarring
[3:21:51] so we're all hoping that we get some
[3:21:52] kind of rain at some point
[3:21:55] uh next up uh nap valley transportation
[3:21:57] authority uh vice mayor do you want to
[3:21:59] report out on that
[3:22:00] yes thank you we met on april 21st
[3:22:03] some of the highlights there was a
[3:22:05] webinar held by senators
[3:22:07] don and mcguire on plans to assist
[3:22:10] traffic flow along
[3:22:11] uh state route 37 between napa and marin
[3:22:15] 200 participants so that was well
[3:22:19] received
[3:22:20] we uh increased the scope of our legal
[3:22:22] counsel to finalize the last piece
[3:22:25] of our um funding for the sasebo
[3:22:28] junction project
[3:22:29] we had a review of the
[3:22:33] fourth of the recent quarter for the
[3:22:35] vine transit that was some interesting
[3:22:37] data
[3:22:38] it is on the website i would um if
[3:22:40] you're interested at all it's
[3:22:41] it's pretty interesting um
[3:22:44] we did change up some routes we have
[3:22:47] been doing all
[3:22:48] on demand in a certain portion of napa
[3:22:50] we've now added two
[3:22:51] fixed local routes in the city of napa
[3:22:54] uh
[3:22:54] continuing the on demand but we believe
[3:22:56] it will decrease
[3:22:57] and i think that those routes go live
[3:23:00] may 9th i'm not sure but i believe that
[3:23:02] is the case we did um after a review
[3:23:06] of our executive director did award a
[3:23:09] salary increase and i think mayor you
[3:23:12] want to may want to speak a little bit
[3:23:13] more to this but we did designate
[3:23:16] a potential roundabout projects on state
[3:23:19] highway 29
[3:23:21] for the possibility of a federal grant
[3:23:24] we may not get the money
[3:23:26] the projects are not written in stone by
[3:23:29] any means but i think mayor you may have
[3:23:31] a little
[3:23:32] more insight into that sure just a
[3:23:35] reminder that
[3:23:36] this came up uh at least a couple months
[3:23:38] ago now i think
[3:23:40] the metropolitan transportation
[3:23:41] commission uh
[3:23:43] with their kind of call for projects
[3:23:47] napa county included three up valley
[3:23:50] roundabouts
[3:23:51] as potential projects for funding
[3:23:55] if the projects aren't on the list they
[3:23:56] do not qualify for funding and so
[3:23:59] they included rutherford all three on
[3:24:02] highway 29 one at rutherford cross
[3:24:04] one at oakville cross and one at
[3:24:07] madison and no these are not
[3:24:11] final as the vice mayor just said no
[3:24:13] they're not designed
[3:24:14] no they don't exist yet but
[3:24:18] if they were not put on the list as
[3:24:20] projects they could not be available for
[3:24:23] the commitment of funding so supervisor
[3:24:26] pedroza
[3:24:27] as the chair of mtc now and our
[3:24:30] representative
[3:24:32] managed to negotiate about 20 million
[3:24:35] dollars of potential funding for napa
[3:24:37] county
[3:24:38] significant given the size of our county
[3:24:40] versus all the others in
[3:24:41] mtc's jurisdiction and so
[3:24:45] we want to put to
[3:24:48] good use as much of those dollars as we
[3:24:50] actually end up
[3:24:51] being able to to use so
[3:24:55] they have not prioritized which of those
[3:24:57] three locations
[3:24:58] might be first but it would take a lot
[3:25:02] of public
[3:25:03] outreach public meetings conversations
[3:25:06] about the pros and cons so this is not a
[3:25:09] done deal
[3:25:10] there is no guarantee there's going to
[3:25:12] be a roundabout at madison at highway 29
[3:25:14] so
[3:25:15] please no one take that away from this
[3:25:18] conversation so
[3:25:19] if they weren't on the list they could
[3:25:22] not qualify in the future
[3:25:24] if we in fact decide that that's a
[3:25:28] viable and valid project so hopefully
[3:25:30] that's
[3:25:31] summary norma thank you normally i
[3:25:34] wouldn't include this but since it has
[3:25:36] been in the press and we have gotten
[3:25:38] resident questions
[3:25:39] i wanted you to be able to hear the
[3:25:42] facts of the matter
[3:25:43] from the mayor who has
[3:25:48] had his finger on this pulse for quite
[3:25:50] some time so thank you
[3:25:54] thank you upper valley waste management
[3:25:56] authority
[3:25:57] councilmember mohler um thank you
[3:26:00] samuel mute we met um
[3:26:05] may 19th had a discussion on policies
[3:26:10] but i'll
[3:26:10] save everybody the excitement of that
[3:26:12] discussion i know we all like to talk
[3:26:14] about policies so
[3:26:16] um we heard a presentation
[3:26:20] about the possibility of a
[3:26:23] biogasification
[3:26:26] facility a bed perhaps clover flat
[3:26:29] nothing
[3:26:29] has really been there's no specifics
[3:26:32] it's just in
[3:26:33] planning stages so uh what is
[3:26:37] biogasification so that's uh we
[3:26:40] take uh organic material and we
[3:26:43] put it into a
[3:26:47] machine if you will i'll keep things
[3:26:49] very simple here
[3:26:50] and we turn that uh organic what we call
[3:26:54] feed stock
[3:26:55] into biogas and
[3:26:59] a byproduct of that is
[3:27:02] what we call biochar a lot of burnt up
[3:27:06] wood so the biocat biogas that we get
[3:27:10] from that
[3:27:10] is a renewable
[3:27:14] of electricity and then the
[3:27:17] biochar which is the byproduct can be
[3:27:20] used to
[3:27:21] spread along the soil that
[3:27:24] when it's high level biochar is in the
[3:27:27] soil it actually
[3:27:28] will pull because of the the plants that
[3:27:31] you
[3:27:32] put in there and their use of that
[3:27:34] carbon
[3:27:35] from the air and bring it into
[3:27:38] the soil so uh ubds will
[3:27:42] continue uh talking about this and uh
[3:27:45] might be something very good for a
[3:27:48] county-wide climate
[3:27:49] action plan and uh um
[3:27:53] all of our other efforts on uh climate
[3:27:55] change
[3:27:56] uh the uh other
[3:28:00] issue well and also i wanted to announce
[3:28:02] that they said that uh you know we've
[3:28:03] heard a lot of discussion about
[3:28:05] sp 1383 i'm going to talk about that in
[3:28:08] a minute
[3:28:09] but uh as the initial in addition to all
[3:28:12] the
[3:28:13] education that's going out uh ubds will
[3:28:16] be
[3:28:16] dropping off at everybody's doorstep or
[3:28:19] where your
[3:28:20] trash cans are a composting bucket
[3:28:24] and that bucket is meant to kind of go
[3:28:27] under your sink
[3:28:28] so all of your organic waste instead of
[3:28:32] going into your brown can well
[3:28:34] you can put it into that little pale
[3:28:38] and then you'll dump that in your green
[3:28:41] can
[3:28:41] so that will be coming out and i think
[3:28:44] the timeline is about july first for
[3:28:46] that
[3:28:47] and our at our next jpa meeting
[3:28:51] um for upper valley it's going to be
[3:28:54] june 28
[3:28:55] and we will be setting rates uh for the
[3:28:58] next
[3:28:59] three year cycle much like uh the we do
[3:29:02] that
[3:29:02] for a five year period for water and
[3:29:04] wastewater but we'll be doing it for
[3:29:06] for three years so we'll i'll have that
[3:29:08] information for you
[3:29:09] in july uh mayor should i just go on to
[3:29:13] give you my
[3:29:13] cal cities update on environmental
[3:29:15] quality that then shaking okay i'll do
[3:29:17] that
[3:29:18] uh we actually had two meetings in april
[3:29:21] we had so many bills to
[3:29:25] uh discuss but the one um i'm going to
[3:29:27] highlight
[3:29:28] is sbe 619 as the layered bill
[3:29:33] and this bill will
[3:29:37] what it will do is delay
[3:29:40] for one year so it will delay from
[3:29:43] january 2022
[3:29:45] to january 2023
[3:29:49] any penalties that are imposed by cal
[3:29:52] recycle
[3:29:53] on a local jurisdiction i.e on phil
[3:29:57] for violation of sb 1383 if
[3:30:02] a jurisdiction uh does not
[3:30:05] make reasonable efforts to
[3:30:08] comply with this law we can be penalized
[3:30:11] so
[3:30:12] that we're hoping that if sb 16 619
[3:30:16] passes that we will delay that we made a
[3:30:19] a major effort trying to explain that
[3:30:23] some of the roll out of this really big
[3:30:25] legislation is
[3:30:26] you know we've been delayed by cobin too
[3:30:29] so
[3:30:30] i checked uh yesterday's and last
[3:30:34] thursday on april 29th sb
[3:30:37] 619 passed out of committee with a 7-0
[3:30:40] vote that's very good
[3:30:42] and it was moved forward to the
[3:30:44] appropriations committee
[3:30:46] so so far so good
[3:30:49] that's do you want to follow up with any
[3:30:52] follow up with lafco
[3:30:53] uh no we have not uh met uh
[3:30:56] since i gave our last report i did have
[3:30:59] a
[3:31:00] two day uh cal afco board meeting
[3:31:03] a four hour cal afco budget meeting
[3:31:08] and uh but i will go into the details
[3:31:11] thank you
[3:31:12] here dunbar yes just for uh
[3:31:15] councilmember moeller uh
[3:31:16] not bill day's cleanup and uh
[3:31:20] yes we uh garage sale and uh
[3:31:23] i just i'm i'll just make the
[3:31:26] announcement i'm gonna
[3:31:27] make sure everybody stops by uh jeff
[3:31:29] durham's house i would say be there by 5
[3:31:31] a.m he'll be pouring cocktails so make
[3:31:33] sure you do that
[3:31:34] that's for our garage sale day which
[3:31:37] will be
[3:31:38] saturday may the 8th this saturday
[3:31:43] this saturday yes it's uh day before
[3:31:46] mother's day
[3:31:47] and uh all the addresses are being
[3:31:51] published already and then our cleanup
[3:31:53] day
[3:31:54] which is um will be exactly
[3:31:57] one week later everything needs to be on
[3:31:59] the curve and
[3:32:00] something has always happened but we're
[3:32:02] formalizing it this year we're
[3:32:04] also accepting e-waste just segregate
[3:32:07] that
[3:32:08] from your regular waste and this is not
[3:32:09] recycling this is garbage
[3:32:12] get it out early because we have a lot
[3:32:13] of people driving by
[3:32:15] and it's a lot of fun to sit on your
[3:32:17] front porch and tell somebody why this
[3:32:19] is a great item they should take it away
[3:32:20] before it goes to the dump so
[3:32:22] put your e-waste out uh um you know
[3:32:26] it's anything with a cord when we had
[3:32:28] our e-waste event
[3:32:29] during shredded day somebody decided to
[3:32:31] bring a really giant
[3:32:33] christmas tree because it had those
[3:32:35] lights wrapped on it
[3:32:37] and it had a cord and the company was
[3:32:40] gracious enough to
[3:32:41] accept that as e-waste so i'm not
[3:32:44] suggesting that you do that but
[3:32:47] it's a great service that they're very
[3:32:49] helpful so
[3:32:50] anyway a lot of exciting uh garbage news
[3:32:54] i think
[3:32:57] yes and and i believe i'm going to be
[3:32:58] joining you this friday for the
[3:33:00] tour at uh upper valley disposal
[3:33:03] services uh whitehall lane with
[3:33:05] napa research okay great yes there yeah
[3:33:08] there is
[3:33:08] uh there is event up there to give a lot
[3:33:12] of information to
[3:33:13] uh some elected officials about uh what
[3:33:16] goes on in that facility and all the
[3:33:17] changes that
[3:33:19] they're doing to um start accommodating
[3:33:22] this really large sb1383
[3:33:26] to that point they are only going to do
[3:33:28] [Music]
[3:33:29] the um the residential
[3:33:34] food recycling up there and all the
[3:33:38] commercial will actually go to clover
[3:33:40] flat
[3:33:42] great thank you i do have a county-wide
[3:33:46] economic
[3:33:46] development task force meeting right in
[3:33:48] the middle of that but i'm going to get
[3:33:49] up for the beginning of that tour
[3:33:51] i think it's napa recycling first and
[3:33:53] then upper valley
[3:33:54] the second half of that so yeah i'm
[3:33:56] going to miss the first half i'll i'll
[3:33:58] meet you
[3:33:58] whitehall lane there you go all right
[3:34:02] um so thank you for all those reports um
[3:34:05] i do want to offer do we have any other
[3:34:08] as i get into my
[3:34:09] i see you i really do um
[3:34:12] before i get into my cal city's report i
[3:34:14] was going to invite any reports out from
[3:34:16] policy committees and i know
[3:34:18] councilmember dorenbecker has a report
[3:34:22] well thank you yes i am on the revenue
[3:34:25] on taxation policy committee meeting and
[3:34:28] actually i was
[3:34:29] on a webinar this morning um about
[3:34:33] the whole so many so many things
[3:34:38] housing and almost all the committees
[3:34:40] reported
[3:34:42] but for the revenue and taxation
[3:34:46] the exciting thing was that there were
[3:34:52] excuse me well and one of the other
[3:34:55] bills that is
[3:34:56] really exciting are ab14 and sb4
[3:35:00] which are the broadband bills that
[3:35:03] codify
[3:35:04] the federal uh bill on a local level
[3:35:07] which is
[3:35:07] sort of distressing also
[3:35:14] ab1060 they're proposing
[3:35:18] and the we support this the the
[3:35:22] league supports a statewide emergency
[3:35:24] alert system
[3:35:25] and um but the responsibility of getting
[3:35:28] that out is still on a local level
[3:35:31] and then
[3:35:43] all these watch poses opposite
[3:35:50] um the housing uh development incentive
[3:35:54] grants
[3:35:55] program uh is being uh sb15 is supported
[3:35:59] and
[3:36:01] um looking at planning
[3:36:04] and a four-area ratio
[3:36:08] uh units per acre um
[3:36:12] that's that's uh being opposed because
[3:36:15] it's uh planning to uh
[3:36:18] put you know building on acreage that is
[3:36:22] in the
[3:36:23] in the uh in the woods
[3:36:26] so that's not um
[3:36:30] i have too many to go through i'm so
[3:36:32] sorry i
[3:36:33] on the 23rd i did have a watershed
[3:36:35] information and conservation committee
[3:36:37] meeting also
[3:36:39] and um they talked about
[3:36:42] uh we're going to go into strategic
[3:36:44] planning next meeting
[3:36:46] uh we had an uh
[3:36:49] presentation on woodland
[3:36:53] resource issues and the economic
[3:36:56] fallout from the drought
[3:37:00] so for the watershed information and
[3:37:02] conservation
[3:37:04] they will have no uh conference this
[3:37:06] year and be put off until 2022
[3:37:09] and they're going to refocus their
[3:37:10] technical committee
[3:37:12] to look at um you know water uh
[3:37:16] water-based problems um but it was
[3:37:19] uh it was a good meeting
[3:37:24] also in that meeting they did have a
[3:37:27] presentation
[3:37:28] uh from um ann
[3:37:38] and britain from the ashley cortech
[3:37:40] volunteer she's an actually quartet
[3:37:42] volunteer anyway she was talking about
[3:37:45] how
[3:37:46] right now the uh in the industry that's
[3:37:49] in uh farming and farming for wines
[3:37:52] uh vineyards they're developing a lot of
[3:37:55] electrical um
[3:37:59] engineering electrical vehicles for
[3:38:03] uh using in agriculture so that's a good
[3:38:07] sign we were talking about
[3:38:08] plastic bag bands and and banning
[3:38:11] plastics and banning
[3:38:13] uh the gasoline um
[3:38:16] uh handheld uh
[3:38:19] blowers and so this this is a
[3:38:22] development that's going on that's
[3:38:23] getting a lot of a lot more
[3:38:26] um attention so that was good and then
[3:38:31] uh and then we had the climate action
[3:38:33] plan committee meeting on the
[3:38:35] uh april 23rd and we had um
[3:38:40] the rcdc executive director lucas patzik
[3:38:44] talked about forest health and promoting
[3:38:47] resilience in the forest gave a
[3:38:49] presentation about that
[3:38:51] and it was all very good but the whole
[3:38:55] you know everybody the whole
[3:38:58] every branch of government is really
[3:39:00] talking most about the drought
[3:39:02] in california so it's been uh
[3:39:05] it's been a lot of notes and a lot of
[3:39:07] them have to do with drought
[3:39:10] thank you okay that was thorough i
[3:39:13] didn't last through the entire
[3:39:15] uh two hour cal cities legislative
[3:39:17] update this morning but it certainly
[3:39:19] sounds like you did
[3:39:20] with all those notes thank you i i heard
[3:39:24] all about it last week at the board
[3:39:25] meeting so i wasn't going to sit through
[3:39:27] it again
[3:39:28] frankly but thank you for
[3:39:31] for all those reports out speaking of
[3:39:34] the
[3:39:34] cal cities board meeting last thursday
[3:39:37] and friday
[3:39:39] we had a report a presentation from the
[3:39:42] secretary of california natural
[3:39:43] resources agency
[3:39:45] wade crow foot on as councilor adorned
[3:39:48] record just identified
[3:39:50] drought resiliency and
[3:39:53] he was you know identifying regions and
[3:39:58] the highest intensity of drought impacts
[3:40:00] throughout the state
[3:40:02] and it does vary uh quite a bit
[3:40:04] throughout the state which was
[3:40:05] interesting i also presented along with
[3:40:08] my co-chair
[3:40:09] randy joel from temecula
[3:40:14] the advancing equity advisory committee
[3:40:18] report to the board of directors that's
[3:40:20] the committee i have been on for about
[3:40:22] three months
[3:40:22] with two dozen elected officials and
[3:40:25] city staff from
[3:40:26] throughout the state talking about
[3:40:28] diversity equity and inclusion
[3:40:30] and we presented an initial report that
[3:40:33] is
[3:40:33] leading to a work plan
[3:40:36] that cal cities is putting together for
[3:40:38] all of the jurisdictions
[3:40:40] all the membership to have resources and
[3:40:43] tools so that we can
[3:40:45] advance equity inclusion and diversity
[3:40:48] not only in our
[3:40:49] municipal government but in our
[3:40:51] communities so
[3:40:53] that was um it was very satisfying to be
[3:40:56] a part of that
[3:40:56] effort and it's going to be ongoing so
[3:40:58] you'll hear reports out
[3:41:00] i'm sure councilmember norenbecker and i
[3:41:02] especially
[3:41:03] uh most active in the north bay division
[3:41:05] will be having more conversations about
[3:41:06] that as well
[3:41:08] we did take positions as a board on
[3:41:12] about two dozen bills many of them
[3:41:15] were related to public safety issues
[3:41:18] that are in the legislature right now
[3:41:21] some of it about reforming
[3:41:24] training and police equipment and
[3:41:29] police response things like that also
[3:41:32] also housing homelessness and economic
[3:41:35] development were popular themes for
[3:41:40] legislation that's happening right now
[3:41:44] and as councilmember doernbecher
[3:41:46] reported out there was that
[3:41:48] briefing this morning very active in
[3:41:50] sacramento right now with
[3:41:52] committee hearings and some bills are
[3:41:54] dying in committee some are
[3:41:56] moving forward so it's literally every
[3:41:58] day there's an update on what's
[3:42:00] happening so we'll continue to provide
[3:42:03] that information to you
[3:42:06] council ad hoc reports as i mentioned
[3:42:09] very briefly
[3:42:10] the there are several economic recovery
[3:42:14] task forces
[3:42:15] this particular one involves the mayors
[3:42:18] two members of the supervisors
[3:42:20] we will be meeting on friday there will
[3:42:23] also be a
[3:42:24] broader economic recovery task force
[3:42:27] meeting
[3:42:28] coming up in the next few weeks as soon
[3:42:30] as we can schedule it with
[3:42:31] industry leadership and
[3:42:35] chambers of commerce and again mayor's
[3:42:38] city managers so those are going to
[3:42:41] continue
[3:42:42] i will be on a call again tomorrow along
[3:42:45] with other mayors and
[3:42:47] supervisor pedrosa talking to
[3:42:50] mostly restaurants operators but also
[3:42:54] other hospitality businesses and how
[3:42:57] they are
[3:42:57] receiving federal support
[3:43:00] money and how things are proceeding here
[3:43:03] in napa county
[3:43:04] so are there any other yes councilmember
[3:43:07] knight
[3:43:10] thank you mayor um i believe i know
[3:43:13] i'll fall maybe after this the vice
[3:43:15] mayor maybe we put on
[3:43:16] our parking ad hoc but i first just
[3:43:18] wanted to thank all of you for the work
[3:43:21] you do on county-wide and statewide
[3:43:23] committees
[3:43:24] it's important work and benefits our
[3:43:25] community so
[3:43:27] i am an alternate an alternate on a few
[3:43:29] of those so
[3:43:30] i'm happy to volunteer fill in when i
[3:43:33] can
[3:43:34] um i did sign up for the league of
[3:43:37] california to be a judge for the league
[3:43:39] of california's helen
[3:43:40] helen hutman awards which was around
[3:43:43] when i was on the council before so it's
[3:43:45] a great opportunity to look at
[3:43:47] economic development recreational
[3:43:49] planning
[3:43:50] programs that other cities all around
[3:43:52] the state have
[3:43:54] presented for awards and for review
[3:43:58] so i'm looking forward to seeing those
[3:44:00] programs
[3:44:01] that uh that are have been successful
[3:44:03] throughout
[3:44:04] uh the state so thank you for all
[3:44:07] the service that you do on these
[3:44:08] committees thank you
[3:44:11] and thank you for that recognition i
[3:44:12] know we all have had
[3:44:14] extra homework especially at home
[3:44:18] literally at home
[3:44:19] this last year to stay engaged because
[3:44:22] it really has been
[3:44:24] critical that we have the direct
[3:44:26] communication
[3:44:27] county-wide regional directly with our
[3:44:31] state representatives and also
[3:44:33] congressman thompson and our other
[3:44:35] federal leadership so
[3:44:36] as critical as ever as we're trying to
[3:44:38] get as much
[3:44:39] support from the federal and state as we
[3:44:42] can
[3:44:43] because we all need it cities towns need
[3:44:45] it our businesses need it
[3:44:47] non-profits need it so we'll continue
[3:44:50] that
[3:44:51] additional advocacy unless there are any
[3:44:54] other
[3:44:55] reports out uh vice mayor yes
[3:44:58] yes thank you um i would like to give a
[3:45:01] report
[3:45:02] please on uh the parking ad hoc
[3:45:04] committee
[3:45:05] we did meet about a week ago it was
[3:45:07] council member night
[3:45:09] of manager rogers directors tagliavashi
[3:45:12] and liston
[3:45:13] and me um it was our first uh meeting
[3:45:16] uh kind of a scoping meeting for lack of
[3:45:19] a better word
[3:45:20] we really focused on um we are going to
[3:45:23] be
[3:45:24] a policy committee uh with some
[3:45:27] implementation recommendations but but
[3:45:30] policy
[3:45:31] first um we have been doing some
[3:45:34] individual resource
[3:45:35] research staff thank you very much had
[3:45:37] sent us quite a bit of work
[3:45:39] from previous times
[3:45:43] one thing that we focused on also is how
[3:45:46] we will
[3:45:47] approach or recommend that we approach a
[3:45:50] community input and that by community i
[3:45:54] mean residents and businesses we
[3:45:56] discussed
[3:45:57] some kind of more atypical possible
[3:46:00] approaches
[3:46:01] such as small groups or hybrid groups of
[3:46:04] business and residents which i know have
[3:46:06] been done before
[3:46:08] but kind of looking at those
[3:46:11] uh because i think if we've heard it
[3:46:13] once we've heard it
[3:46:15] more than twice parking can be very
[3:46:17] local
[3:46:19] we are really committed to identifying
[3:46:22] the problem before we start to offer any
[3:46:25] solutions or policies and that's
[3:46:27] we are going to be looking to
[3:46:31] our community again residents and
[3:46:33] businesses to help us
[3:46:35] define the problem um
[3:46:38] and kind of like you said mayor we are
[3:46:40] also looking
[3:46:42] uh yes people have problems that are
[3:46:44] ongoing right now but
[3:46:46] we are looking to be very
[3:46:49] forward-looking to see
[3:46:51] what might happen not just in five years
[3:46:53] but 10 years
[3:46:55] and try to put some living workable
[3:46:58] policies
[3:47:00] before the council for consideration and
[3:47:02] i don't know
[3:47:03] uh councilmember knight if i covered it
[3:47:05] all
[3:47:06] yes thank you i just want to say that uh
[3:47:09] i appreciate being on the committee
[3:47:10] we're gathering information and
[3:47:12] discussing objectives and
[3:47:14] and look forward to bringing back as we
[3:47:17] said we would to the council
[3:47:19] kind of report on the uh of the you know
[3:47:22] a greater plan for our
[3:47:23] for this ad hoc committee so you know
[3:47:26] today is my
[3:47:27] second use permit uh a
[3:47:30] review a discussion and and as the
[3:47:33] reality is is that
[3:47:35] you know as we will continue to
[3:47:37] successfully um
[3:47:39] uh come back that parking will
[3:47:42] will still be a conversation we need to
[3:47:44] have so i
[3:47:46] look forward to our the work that we do
[3:47:48] thank you
[3:47:50] and what i would suggest of our parking
[3:47:53] ad hoc committee
[3:47:54] is i don't remember the bills
[3:47:57] the numbers off top my head thankfully
[3:48:00] there are bills working through the
[3:48:02] legislature right now that are trying to
[3:48:04] eliminate parking for businesses
[3:48:06] so it's that kind of pressure that we're
[3:48:09] getting from sacramento
[3:48:11] in certain areas really encouraging
[3:48:14] uh land use for housing especially
[3:48:17] affordable housing
[3:48:18] and uh eliminating parking requirements
[3:48:21] to get that housing developed so
[3:48:23] it's it would be some homework just to
[3:48:25] get familiar with
[3:48:26] the rationale behind that i know that
[3:48:29] we've talked for a few years now about
[3:48:31] the changing patterns of
[3:48:33] of driving and ride share and what does
[3:48:36] that mean to parking so
[3:48:38] just a couple other components of your
[3:48:41] analysis
[3:48:42] going forward to offer up so i suspect
[3:48:45] if you typed in the
[3:48:47] legislative bill search and you said
[3:48:50] parking prohibition or parking
[3:48:53] restrictions you probably get a long
[3:48:54] list thank you mayor a little late night
[3:48:57] reading
[3:48:57] that's right if you if you have insomnia
[3:49:00] um
[3:49:02] so i believe that does take care of our
[3:49:04] business for
[3:49:06] tonight and since we're going to see
[3:49:08] each other in about 12 hours or less
[3:49:11] we might want to wrap this up i will
[3:49:14] entertain a motion to adjourn
[3:49:16] to our budget workshop tomorrow morning
[3:49:19] that starts at 9 30 a.m
[3:49:21] in all of our virtual locations and
[3:49:24] hopefully syria's uh
[3:49:26] camera will be awake at 9 30 tomorrow
[3:49:28] morning
[3:49:30] um because you'll you'll be doing some
[3:49:31] talking i suspect so
[3:49:33] um with that i i guess
[3:49:36] who wants to make that motion thank you
[3:49:40] councilman becker uh and i'll take the
[3:49:44] the peace sign from vice mayor is
[3:49:47] seconding that motion
[3:49:49] i think we could a voice vote that we
[3:49:52] all
[3:49:52] five zero approved that michelle
[3:49:56] yes i heard that we are adjourned
[3:49:59] we are adjourned until tomorrow morning
[3:50:01] at 9 30. thanks everybody
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