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So we're kicking off the Board of Education Finance Committee meeting today at 9.35 a.m. I'm calling

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it to order. I believe in the rule, we have, it's, people just want to announce themselves

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and trace the penalties on the phone here.

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Jen Maxson Cannelli.

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Carrie Devaney.

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Frank McBehary.

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McKaysa.

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Michael Teston.

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Perfect.

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The first order of business is approval of the meeting minutes.

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It includes your number one approval of the last meeting minutes.

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I'll make the motion.

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I'll second.

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Paul in favor.

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Hi.

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I so unanimous approval. Thank you so much. We can jump to the next item business discussion items.

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The first item is fourth quarter financial review. I believe Frank you you're going to jump in here.

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Yeah, yeah. So I provided a memo as I've done with the other quarterly financial reviews at this point all the surpluses and deficits are kind of things that we've already talked about in prior quarters.

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I'll just hit the highlights that the total surplus for this year, it's unaudited.

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It's 2,257,563.

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And with that, we would be proposing to transfer that into a non-lapsing account.

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And that's really, that's all I'll say about the memo.

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It's kind of what we've talked about in the past.

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I think

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actually a good sheet that just summarizes everything is the legal size sheet here, the urine, transfer work sheet.

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I can answer any questions about any of these categories, but it kind of has all the surplus and deficits on one page.

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So if you go to this guy, oh, not this.

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Yeah.

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Oh, no, sorry.

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In that aligns with item B as well, too, Frank?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm just kind of using it, I think it's actually

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a little bit easier to talk about for.

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So fourth column from the right column that

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has surplus deficit over it, fourth column from the left.

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Personnel expenses, we ran a surplus of 1.739 million,

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in fixed charges at surplus of 1.2 million.

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Pupil personnel expenses, IE special ed, 4.3645.

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School expenses is slight deficit of 8,320.

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Support a surplus of 127,615 maintenance and operations

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and transportation is 7.53,895 and capital outlay.

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Adept to sit at 4.79,383.

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Now, that's comparing the original budget to the expenditures.

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You guys did address some of these in your May meeting, so if you look at, for example,

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maintenance and operations of transportation, 446,000 of that 753 deficit was related to

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that snow removal.

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You guys have already addressed that.

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The remaining deficit of 307 493 76 is just related to certain security related projects

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projects that we had initiated in some other maintenance projects.

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For capital outlay, same thing, if you look at the deficit for $79.383, you addressed $352.286

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of that in your May meeting, which was related to pre-purchase of Chromebooks and the equipment

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that maintenance and operations and transportation wanted to buy.

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So the remaining deficit is $127.097, which is just related to actually the purchase of

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cafeteria tables.

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We became aware of some safety issues related to cafeteria areas.

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You said we address $352.

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We only addressed $250.

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I thought.

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Yeah, but if you look at Q3 transfer number 4, so if you look at this column here, $352,

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you would...

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Oh, oh, I see.

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Okay.

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I understand.

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Yeah, no problem. Thank you. So I'm going through this one first because I think it kind of

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just presents everything pretty well. I can answer any questions on the summary

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if anybody has any, but I kind of pause there and ask for any questions related to the

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So those are plus and financial or on this Q4 transfer to yeah

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This

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What is this that is support expanse? Yeah, so that is

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That is the transfer for the surplus

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It's only 204 904 one because there's already 208 522 in the category

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So you only need to authorize the difference between

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228.522 and the surplus of 225.7563, that's to transfer.

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It's a 208.

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Right next to me.

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To the left.

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See 208.522 remaining trace.

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So that's what's remaining in the category.

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Okay.

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So you don't need to authorize that because it's already in the category.

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Oh, I understand.

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So we're moving everything to that category.

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And then that category will be transferred to the non-lapse.

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Okay, what I would I what I could do just to make the numbers matching confused people less less

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I could just put a negative 208 522 in the in

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No, it doesn't know no, it makes sense when you explain it you're definitely going to have to explain that at the

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At the table. Yeah, I do I did

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For each for each transfers. No, this is kind of going to be with the quarterly financials

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And then for each transfer, I kind of just showed just this for the transfer number one

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for the year end transfers and just this for transfer number two to kind of just as

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backup.

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So when people are voting on it, they kind of have the transfer in front of it.

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It's not on this big sheet.

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So I just put like I'm one piece of paper, just that transfer for.

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So that's going to be that's not here, but with the board that it would be there.

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So this one was everything we did for we already bought that's every that's everything

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you've done.

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Yeah, and the sub-total zero out because all the transfers have to balance. So for you for

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We're only

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How

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are we doing this? We have multiple?

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transfers, but we're doing it as as one

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No, on the on the board of ed on your agenda for next week you'll have two transfers

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We'll have one transfer which is transfer number one what after we I did change that to kind of a line with the language

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which will transfer number one or your year-end budget transfers.

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Okay.

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That's going to be one motion and transfer number two to cover the non-lapsing.

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It's going to be your second motion.

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So there will be two separate motions.

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So the...

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Again, remember who's asking the question?

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Yeah.

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So the second transfer basically involves zeroing out three accounts,

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putting them into one single account,

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and then that account is what's transferred into the...

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Correct.

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...and expended once.

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Yep, yep.

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Yeah, correct.

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Or to stay on expended.

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Yeah.

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Yes, what do we what why don't we have totals here?

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Because they're transfers they all you're transferring from one category and adding to another so they just zero

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It's a zero. It's zeroes out. Okay. Yeah, so the three numbers below add up to the 442 910 correct. Yeah

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The three numbers below the 8000 320

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and 0.9.7 add up or 4.2 9.10.7.6.

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Gotcha.

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And then the, we're gonna also then say that the 8.39.2.16.04.

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The 608.4.4.9.9.6.

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The 601.376 should add up to 2.049.

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Oh, that is an 0.40.

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And we already have the 3.

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Okay, so we already have the 208.5.22.

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to in that category. So it doesn't need to be authorised.

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And there's no way that I can kind of

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display it because it's because just as the way it's. Let's see. I want to put just a total over

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here and just add these two numbers together. Yeah, I could do that. Yeah. Just so you can show

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that how you got to the 2 2 5 soon. That might be helpful. Okay. Will there be as part of the budget

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motion. It's just going to say transfer one. It's not going to say the amount.

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It will say the amount. So I'll just read the motions to you. So this is better to do it now

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than on the floor.

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Let me just pull it up.

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Okay. So the language for the approval of so item E will

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will be the approval of quarter, four year end budget transfers.

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And the recommended motion that the Board of Education approve the transfer of four,

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four, two, nine, 11, from and two various accounts to close the fiscal year.

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Does it matter that this is 9, 10, 76?

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I mean, we can.

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I don't, that's a counting thing.

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I don't know if it matters.

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I can, I can, yeah.

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Yeah. Well, you can't say, you can't say various accounts that close the fiscal year, and it has to say as per enclosure.

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Okay. And that way, that way we have the backup for it.

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Okay. As per enclosure, whatever that enclosure is.

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All right. So I actually think I like this.

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And then I'll just, I'll just adjust this to be the actual accounts.

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If it says per enclosure in the motion, that's what we've generally done.

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I didn't think we usually had the dollar amount. I just didn't want this to be.

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I don't even know if we need the dollar amount in there.

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I thought it made it more clear as opposed to, well, what is the transfer?

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If you say the number, but I don't really care.

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I don't care either way, but I could say as per enclosure for both of them instead of the number maybe do that

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Maybe don't include the number

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I don't think it makes a big I don't think it might I think whatever you're comfortable with

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Maybe on this sheet. What have we done if we have to say what the what we should do what we

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As transferable so it's also harder. I don't think we included a number

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Well, the enclosures are going to, the additional enclosures that I kind of talked about.

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Let me just look to see what Jeff did last year.

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Oh, yeah.

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This is, this is kind of what I'm in it as each separate enclosure.

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That's what I'm going to include for the each transfer.

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Oh, okay.

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Oh, well, that will be much more.

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So they're not going to be looking at this.

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No.

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Oh, yeah.

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I thought it would be easier to do it to have this

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says is like the summary. Yes. But then give them kind just zero in their focus that I that's the part

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I was concerned about. Yeah. So so they be so they'll be the two separate enclosures. I can

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see the numbers. Yeah. So that would be one that's for the unexpended account transfer. And then the

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other one looks the same for the Q for your own budget transfer. So if you say as per this enclosure

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It's going to have the category that won't be it. Yeah, and it'll have the amounts as well

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So maybe we just say has per enclosure instead of putting the amounts in

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The one thing that's different just because of the way I display it like I said

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Can the way I display it here because I have a from and two columns separately. I think that's good

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It it shows it shows the total amount here. So like it'll it'll this will foot to the two two five seven five sixty-three

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It's just going to be different than like with this show is because like I said I'm only showing the two and from her essentially in the same line

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So like it just nets out. So but this will show the current the full two two five seven five sixty three. So

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All right,

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wait now. I'm

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just now I'm embarrassed now I am confused

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Yeah, it's okay. So basically

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bad sheet shows the two. Now I'm looking at the third column. So remaining transfer

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proved.

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So this is just for the unexpended funds transfer, which is related to this

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column. Right. Yeah. But the number on there was the 2, 2, 5, 7. Yes. Because I'm showing

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from and to separately, right? Because in actuality, I don't need to put this in. I'm just

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putting it in so the 2257563 is clear. But in actuality, the number nuts out because

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I'm transferring from and to in the same category. So it's just a way to...

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Show this as the number. That you can't do it because that's just two and from is in the same lines in you. Simply, I miss enclosure to not include these. Just have this one column. At five, seven could do that. Then have the separate enclosure because this, I think, confused. Well, at first, I thought it was making its help to make sense. But no, I think it's confusing because of the 208 by 22.

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So if you leave that off and just show the remaining transfer to be approved and then have

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a separate enclosure, it might be clear for them to understand.

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Yeah, or I could just get rid of that and just make it match this one.

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It's like it's whatever people think are people are going to be less confused by.

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I think the 2-0-4-9 is confusing.

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Okay.

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Just because...

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I agree.

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That's why it took me a couple of times.

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If it took me a couple of times for Frank to walk me through.

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Yeah.

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I agree with you, Terry.

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I think they're going to want to see 2-2-5-7.

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That's what I'm about to match that up to the transfers.

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I think it's clear.

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So then you can just get rid of these last two columns.

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Well, don't forget, though, Terry, that bottom-lapsing transfer is a separate motion.

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So that would be a separate enclosure showing the total, right?

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That would show the two, too.

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Because that wouldn't...

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But that's part of the transfer.

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No, it's two separate motions.

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Yeah, each transfer is going to have this as an enclosure.

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So this is for the unexpended funds transfer and the year-end budget transfer is going

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going to have the same obviously different numbers, but that will be the enclosure.

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Oh, that looks straightforward.

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So basically what I could do is I can get rid of these last two columns.

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This number at the bottom ties to the 2, 2, 5, 7, 5, 6, 6, 3, and then we can just

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include these separately as, you know, separate motions essentially.

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So if this is the unexpended funds, then where is the reconciling Q4 transfer typical one?

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Well, it's it's kind of like all and so that's why that's why it's all for me.

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Break out. Yeah, so I guess there's I guess there's pros and cons, right?

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I can get rid of these last two. You'll see the 2257563.

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three, there's the benefit to that, but yeah, it's hard to explain then why you're doing

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two transfers.

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If one's doing a total of two, five, seven, five, sixty, three, and the other one's

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doing four, forty, two, nine, ten, seven, and six.

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There's the point is we have three accounts which are in a deficit.

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They need the transfer.

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I get that.

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That's the first transfer we're voting for.

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Yeah. And then after that is left, you have two, two, five, seven, five, six, three,

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that the other one is just authorized the trip. Okay, so I see where that's accounted for that

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it has been transferred out. I just don't see it as a standalone column anymore, not that I

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have to.

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Okay.

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I mean, the alternative is I could keep these two columns and I can just make

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this one match because I don't need that there it's what if you say what if you moved to see what

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I'm saying 80 year-end motion to move the two away instead of leaving it

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to as part of the year

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and transfer you couldn't cover this and then whatever's left maybe cover these with this two away

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and then move it there in

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that way. So so you would what you would do is you would do

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the this would become the difference between the 208 so put a transfer out of 208 522 here

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yeah yeah for out for the difference and then you're just going to have us the 225 set.

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Let me do it right now and let's see if it makes sense to everybody because that we tied.

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I think that actually is pretty straight forward then.

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So we're using the money that's there in there to cover

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and then we'll cover the balance

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and then that should in theory leave the 2, 2, 5, 7.

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So that makes more sense.

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I'm just gonna do it too.

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So I know, they look last year.

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We didn't do these transfer votes

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until the second September meeting.

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And it was as enclosed.

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Okay.

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There was no number.

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Why do we wait so late?

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Maybe because of the timing of the finance committee meeting.

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Maybe. Yeah.

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Well, then I have to ask, is there any reason we shouldn't be doing this right now?

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No, we want to do it now because they're not accessing it.

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I mean, we have to figure out something.

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It's got to be.

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Well, no, I mean, because it's not like those got us audited numbers as opposed to unaudited, right?

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No, but I think because of the non-lapsing account, I think Frank said for the state we're supposed to make the transfer by a certain date.

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Okay.

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Unless

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it's not going to make it any clear.

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Well, no, I just didn't know if there had been a reason for it because I hadn't said we had to do it at this meeting, but.

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I think the best way to explain it is we're transferring money into accounts that add deficits and then we're transferring the remaining money into an account.

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No, absolutely. It's just trying to read the numbers that way is what was tricky.

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Our job here is to anticipate.

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Or for questions.

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Not going to be prepared.

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I think we have to understand that we have two highly competent

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accountings that work really hard to get.

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And we have trained.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we've studied this and have experience in it, exactly.

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Right.

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And the numbers all add up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The math is math thing.

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It will less than 1% off of our budgeted number.

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So the total.

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Welcome.

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It's good.

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The total surplus then ends up at being like 2.8.

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It's just we did the prepurchasing, right?

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in Q3 retrain. Yeah, I mean, so always, I don't know if the board, I can't remember if the board asked.

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Wasn't all pre-purchasing. No, no, no, that was snow-plowing. Right, and the legal expenses.

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Yeah. The pre-purchasing was a small number. It was about 603. Okay.

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Is there ever, I don't know if the board members last this, but always the reflection on,

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is there anything that we could have, does this help us with better anticipating for the upcoming budget?

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No, because I think we still have a lot of exposure with transportation.

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And, you know, we had a really good year with special education, but that's always something that's

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a wild card, especially when we had a lot of immune people enter the district. I don't know what those

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needs are going. So I think that we'll know more I think as we get to Q2 right here Frank.

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I mean you'll know you'll know basically all the big things right

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and you'll have a rough estimate but really is like where Q3 is really way to get to

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Yeah, but in terms of cutting spending,

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I don't know where else.

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I mean, we've cut a lot of spending,

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unless we're going to.

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So like the personnel expenses,

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that's obviously the biggest number.

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Anything there that we could have anticipated better

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in terms of where those are lower FTE count or?

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No, I mean, I think what we could have anticipated better

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if we had classized discussions,

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several, several months earlier. So, I mean, we have more FTE, the elementary school now,

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then we originally had anticipated.

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No, no, I meant from last year that we ended with a surplus.

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Well, because the savings in FTE, that was really the biggest drive.

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Those were some, we had substantial savings in FTE for positions that weren't filled,

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which also have a corresponding savings in the benefits.

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Right. And what was the what was the nature of most of the positions that were unfilled?

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Well, I think Terry uncovered that there was just some built-in positions that

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I don't think had ever intended to be filled. I think that was part of the issue. So we

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corrected that. I mean, that was you know, Terry did the end of the year last year. She worked really hard.

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So when we entered the budget season, we had accurate

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projections for FTE that we

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that we planned for.

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Oh, so that's already been kind of anticipated

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in the 20th, 20th, 27th?

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Oh, excellent.

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That's why I think people need to understand.

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We haven't had any major asks percentage-wise

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of the budget, given COVID and all the increase

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in costs and everything.

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So we've done a new teachers contract that was kicking in.

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You know, we haven't been over,

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we haven't had a five-ask yet.

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So I think I just, and the downside should be really appreciative and it's not, they don't show it, but we've stayed in the frameworks and all our asks for every system for the most.

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I'm trying to see how it's going to need to.

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It's much cleaner, I think, this way.

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If you think so, I'll have them find.

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I'll go and pick on this one, not make a transfer out.

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Yeah, so we're using the 208 to cover the deficits, so that way it won't be a 2.049,

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now it'll show the full amount. So we're using that 208 remaining to cover some of the deficits.

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So we use that to cover the deficits, and then we transfer the whole amount to the category

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and to the special fund.

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No, I understood that to begin with.

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I don't understand what you just said,

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but that's, I don't overly care.

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Okay.

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I'm not, and in other words, I'm not questioning the numbers,

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at all.

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It's solely a matter of being able to explain it

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and understand it,

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and I always get there eventually.

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It just takes me longer and I don't want to hold this up.

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I understood these columns in the first place.

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All right, so, okay, so this will explain

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the U4 transfers. Yeah. And then it also shows the deficit, the surplus and the deficit. Yeah,

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that's cool. And then on this, that's it. And we, what is our enclosure going to be for the,

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that was my next question, surplus trans. So the unexpected funds to the non-lapsing account,

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are we still going to use this sprint sheet or are we going to I'm going to I'm just going

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to have it like I said you're not the enclosures are going to be this whole sheet it's just going

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to be just going to be this. And that motion will basically be to move 2.257 to support expense.

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We're not doing the dollar amount. It'll be to move this amount from support services.

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Well, two support expenses and the way and that's where looking at the summary is helpful.

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No, but I'm saying for the non-lapsing motion.

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Yeah, so for the non-lapsing motion you're taking all of your surpluses and moving into support

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expenses because that is the category where they transfer to non-lapsing account is so that's where

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why you put the money there and then that's it. Okay, so this is the this is why we have

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of the,

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okay, there was money left in that account.

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So why would you wanna, you would put it in there

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and go out rather than take that out

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into something else and end it.

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00:28:14,690 --> 00:28:16,430
Oh, so it's not that it has to be that one.

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It was just one that already had some surplus in it.

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00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:23,390
No, it does, like did the statute designate

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which account it had to come out of?

391
00:28:24,970 --> 00:28:25,810
No, not at all.

392
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It's just that, yeah.

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So if you look at, and this is on all the quarter reports, I've just put it on to this hole in the map.

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Oh, okay.

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So you see there's a subcategory.

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If you look at the subtotal support expenses in the second one from the bottom, that's just where it's, that's just where that line was.

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Okay.

398
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That's why it's going to support it.

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That's fine.

400
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That's, it's planable.

401
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Yeah.

402
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Perfect.

403
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Okay.

404
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So my request is, can you please double check the agenda?

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Yes.

406
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I've been working with Maggie.

407
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Okay.

408
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And I've been, as of yesterday, there was no motion at all for the second transfer.

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So she sent me, yeah, and she sent me something yesterday last night.

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I replied back.

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So I told her, like, just before she sends it out, just check with me.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:22,290
And can if it's in the headable doc, can you just make changes?

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So with regard to the Q4 financials, which is a good idea.

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I

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didn't really see anything that was surprising.

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Do you foresee from your experience so far with the board,

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anything popping out here that we need to try and?

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00:29:52,410 --> 00:29:59,390
I mean, not really, the only thing is, is that all there, you know.

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The only thing is maybe explaining the 2, 2, 5, 7, 5, 6, 3, and support expenses. When I review the deficits here, I kind of say what's, you know, over and above what was already transferred, which they may want to know. Do you need to adjust any of this? No, but we just did on this first year, no? No, because it's because these are kind of like general shift descriptions, Q, Q4, TR number two is already. It's just the year and

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fun. Maybe I'll just put the unexpended funds account to make the language consistent.

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00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:57,560
So this Q4 report is assuming that the Q4 budget transfers are approved.

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Yes, and this is how it's reflected.

425
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:06,980
Yes, and we have to do that because we have to close the fiscal year. So we have to do these things.

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This fiscal year is typically closed on July 30th, so you have to have a balanced budget.

427
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So you have to do all your transfers, that's what I'm going to do.

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If by chance that they didn't approve the transfer to non-lapsing, I won't even provide

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that option.

430
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:32,260
But obviously, if something wasn't approved, there are ways to fix things in the back end.

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But then it becomes just accounting entries that are different because the fiscal year is closed and well, the only thing I could see being a discussion is if someone raises the topic of do we want to put this all in or do we want to return some of it to the town. I can't imagine there would be any.

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But those that those are going to two choices.

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00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,980
Sort of finance basically said put this in the not correct.

434
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:56,040
Yeah, so they didn't they didn't ask for anything back. They said this was a good idea to put it in the

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,020
laps and I think a lot of that discussion will come up when you

436
00:32:00,020 --> 00:32:05,500
Well, I just said with Frank saying that if it's not approved to transfer the only other option is that so

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So I apologize Frank. I enter. Oh, no, no problem

438
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:13,040
No, I mean, I think a lot of it'll come on with the policy because your policy allows up to five million

439
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,680
So they approved the policy that shouldn't be any discussion or any amounts within the policy

440
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:23,160
And we've been talking about this non-lapsing since the day I walked through the door.

441
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So, it's finally come to fruition that we've had the opportunity to create the account

442
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and actually fund it.

443
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:37,800
So, and we need help, I think, I'm a little concerned a little bit about the transportation.

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Mostly because of the special ad transportation or just even the...

445
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Just the car.

446
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,700
Okay, when

447
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do we start to know if we are going to be on a good trajectory or not with transportation?

448
00:32:53,820 --> 00:32:55,320
Yeah, I

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think I honestly will say just by the offset to transportation given the contractual

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increase in the amount we actually increase the budget by I could just tell you right off the bat

451
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that will be probably in a deficit in that line. The question becomes where will you be favorable

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and other lines to offset that deficit and that's what doesn't become apparent till later quarters.

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I mean,

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we're obviously going to try to offset as Frank just eloquently explained if we

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could find offsets and other spending categories for the transportation and for running a deficit.

456
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That would be great.

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That's our first option.

458
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And then the non-lapsing would come, obviously, would be our last option if we needed the

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much more.

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Which the way I would envision it is by Q3, depending on the size of the deficit is where you would vote to, you know, a non-lapsing transfer if it was needed.

461
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:16,140
because that's the work you see where FTEs fall by the time all the traditional classrooms are at it and that's really where the majority of the service on slide last year.

462
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Yeah, and classrooms as the Aries mentioned several times opening new classrooms is not just hiring a teacher.

463
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:29,700
I mean, it supplies its furniture, it's other things that go along with it that we need to provide.

464
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:37,060
All right, so it goes in today, we're cross-fied on the one that is for the elementary section is plus five.

465
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:41,840
So just to note, for the record at 9.59, Mrs. Renaldi had to leave the meeting.

466
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,580
Secretary, I will take over the meeting as of 9.59.

467
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:46,160
Okay.

468
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:57,920
So here's something else I can, again, maybe the board won't ask this, but if it is, they don't ask it now, they'll ask it by, you know, once we're into the year.

469
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:06,640
is that obviously we had a method in place for, you know, millennia of where, you know, running short in one account.

470
00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:12,420
How are we balancing it? We'd always hear about, well, they're freezing this kind of expenditure, they're not allowing.

471
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:18,120
You know, I think a lot of it always fell on Angela's. He couldn't go ahead with certain projects until we knew if we were going to be good or not.

472
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,080
How will the presence of the non-lapsing impact that process?

473
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:29,080
Yeah, I think like I said, first of all, it depends on the size of the deficit, and you know,

474
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:32,760
clearly, but I'm talking about like the normal functioning that, you know, what you've been here for,

475
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:37,760
okay, a year or four, but so Terry's been here a little bit longer than that and Mike, I don't know

476
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:44,380
to you either. How will this affect that process which we've always done to try to work within the

477
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:51,040
money we got? I think, I think just generally, I think maintenance will hold off just as a matter of

478
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:56,020
history where I think if there have been deficits, I think that they can like kind of

479
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,940
delay projects or maybe forego a project that they were planning on doing.

480
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:07,100
So there's that option, you know, we look at any other funding opportunities,

481
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:14,440
grants, or anything to offset the expense. But I think my always first preference is to handle it

482
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,220
within the category because I can do that per the policy.

483
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:23,940
Anything between categories is where we need to come to you guys

484
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:25,460
for approval and ask.

485
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:29,140
But I would try to see what in the category

486
00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:34,060
where we have some leeway and then reevaluated there,

487
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:36,420
how much extra we need and then potentially just say,

488
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:41,080
what can we delay without hurting the implementation

489
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560
of the project to kind of see where we're at?

490
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,980
And then as it's the emergency stuff that really in May and it's that

491
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,680
Perts us the things that we don't anticipate happening that come with big price tags

492
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,880
I mean every year it seems to be something when you have

493
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,860
17 buildings and some aging buildings and

494
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,920
And those are the things and then winter

495
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:10,040
There's no removal again.

496
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,840
To me the key I think is we're going to keep the same process.

497
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,400
You're still working through the money that we were budgeted, that we approved.

498
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,780
That's our priori.

499
00:37:19,780 --> 00:37:22,180
It's not dipping into this immediately.

500
00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:26,200
So, like again, I don't know if that will get asked but I just thought it would be good to.

501
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:27,920
We can jump on in front of that.

502
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,220
I think Frank said it the best.

503
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,740
We would wait to queue three before we would look to the non-lapsing again.

504
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:41,940
Unless there was some major, well, if there was a major, something collapsed in a group

505
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:48,300
of, you know, we had a major flood at a school and we needed $800,000 for clean up and repair.

506
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:48,660
Yeah.

507
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,700
I mean, then for another $400,000 or snow remodeling, because we're not going to be able to

508
00:37:54,700 --> 00:38:01,840
navigate, you know, unanticipated snow remodeling or we're pretty much on budget with everything

509
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,520
else and over in transportation, we can pull for that because that's not that's not building

510
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:15,560
a cliff that's recovering for a cut. But we'll I think we have to be very careful when

511
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:23,580
we build this year's budget is that what we're asking for again, there's not a lot to cut

512
00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:30,000
anymore. We're trying to just stay with our contractual increases and then what we anticipate

513
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:37,220
for increased costs from vendors and supplies and other things.

514
00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:40,620
So, I mean, we're trying to find money everywhere.

515
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:41,600
Yeah.

516
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:45,420
I could say that IT looks at programs people are using.

517
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,400
There was like, you know, just something where we had this, you know,

518
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,260
program through Anthem.

519
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:54,140
I hope that we asked for utilization.

520
00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:56,300
It wasn't being utilized, so we cut that.

521
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:57,160
Yeah.

522
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:03,340
That's 43,000. It's it's it's um so we're but I think it's good to try to work within your

523
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:09,460
budget first. That's yeah my point mine mine is not a micro question it's really the macro

524
00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:13,560
that the process will remain the same yeah and and I think it's good that we're saying out front

525
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,360
this really doesn't become a discussion barring an actual you know structural emergency

526
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,120
this is really going to be where we start thinking about it in Q3 and that's where I think the board

527
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,040
As a whole needs to be on board with that because we can't think about this when we're doing the budget in January

528
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,620
That we have this money out there

529
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:40,360
Because that that's a that's cliff money that is this I think they would I think that's

530
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,780
Though we've always resisted it because we were afraid that the board of finance would do it that way

531
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:52,760
There's no commentary when we were talking about class size as if um, you're you're right. You're right

532
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,820
That's what gets me work.

533
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:54,680
That's a good reminder.

534
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,300
Which is that.

535
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,520
And that also came from a public.

536
00:39:56,860 --> 00:39:56,960
Yeah.

537
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:04,080
But if that comes up, I will be admittedly that I will have to say that I'm against because

538
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,520
well, and the policy is against it.

539
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:06,060
Yes.

540
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,140
But you know, the policy is very clear about that.

541
00:40:08,260 --> 00:40:11,140
So it's not an allowable use now.

542
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:18,780
Obviously, one of the policy passes and also I can imagine some public saying, well, you can

543
00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:19,600
change the policy.

544
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,600
true, but the board doesn't want to, you know, this is put in there for that reason.

545
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,560
Yeah, we don't want to build. No. No, that was one of the things that...

546
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,400
That's physically your response. You and Jeff and Jen, but

547
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,660
you especially were so good about that with the COVID money. You know, it wasn't something I

548
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:39,620
had even been thinking about as much, and you were relentlessly hammering that, and it's why we were

549
00:40:39,620 --> 00:40:42,860
in so much better shape than a lot of other towns, so...

550
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:46,800
Okay. All right, anything else on A or B?

551
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,320
Thank you.

552
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,920
Moving on to C, in turn, there's five and six, review of the facility address also.

553
00:40:54,260 --> 00:41:01,420
This is on the agenda, because part of the policy under facility use, I don't know

554
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:10,080
whether the policy number, it does say that each year a report will come to the finance committee

555
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:21,740
that includes a list of all of the organizations that used our facilities, as well as any

556
00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:28,480
network band. Looking at enclosure 6 here, excuse me with the endless who wasn't able to

557
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:34,820
be here right now, I was informed that there were no rankings before this, there was no organizations

558
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:37,460
that were banned this past fiscal year.

559
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:37,840
Right.

560
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:38,360
Okay.

561
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:43,740
No one banned our new online system for reservations

562
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:48,740
and our new ability to pay that's, you know,

563
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:52,140
through credit card and all everything's working really well.

564
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:52,720
Excellent.

565
00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:54,700
Yeah. Now within closure five,

566
00:41:54,980 --> 00:41:57,060
this technically was not part of the policy,

567
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,340
but Jen, I did ask that Frank and Angela

568
00:42:01,340 --> 00:42:07,920
list provide this and it is part of the quarterly reporting because these numbers are baked in there

569
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:16,180
obviously but I thought it would be interesting to see you know the breakdown of this so we see

570
00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:24,200
that there was the processing fees so we charge a fee for using your credit card correct

571
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,860
and then we pay a processing fee for using them.

572
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,960
So it looks like we are off here.

573
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,300
So it's something that I don't know if you guys want to look at adjusting that fee.

574
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,000
So we're more accurately covering.

575
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,300
I mean, it's a small amount of money and the scheme of things.

576
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:49,060
But if we're going to charge a fee for processing, we might as well be charging a fee that covers the cost.

577
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:57,440
Sure. Not to make money. Yeah. So if there's a way to look at that. And then with the revenue,

578
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:04,640
so you have the building use fee. And then in some instances, you have custodial fees.

579
00:43:05,020 --> 00:43:13,700
So that's reflected here. And then I did ask for the offset of what it cost. So it looks like we're

580
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:18,680
very close to being accurate on our revenue versus O2 expenses.

581
00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:21,280
Would you agree, Frank? Yes.

582
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:29,820
So my guess would be on the difference. It all depends on who covered the overtime.

583
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:35,500
If somebody that's more makes a higher salary, so that's probably where you get those differences.

584
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:41,380
Yeah. But as we can see here, we're not getting rich off this. We never have.

585
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:49,900
been pretty consistent with years past and, you know, looking at the list of

586
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:56,340
insurgents and there's a good amount of organizations that are, you know, using our property.

587
00:43:58,420 --> 00:44:05,100
And I did ask that he break it down if you can see the classification. So in the regs and the rates

588
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:13,720
it shows nonprofit out of town and residential organizations. So you can see the breakdown of that.

589
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:22,880
And the nonprofit just to be clear are verified 501c3 organizations that show their

590
00:44:23,790 --> 00:44:26,740
proof. And I do know they check on that.

591
00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:32,590
And out of just wondering because I sent you the question

592
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:37,310
and probably I should have sent it too much sooner. How many of these would you estimate are not paying

593
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:44,030
the full fee? Very few. I did have I printed because it wasn't part of the original enclosure,

594
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:51,270
but I did have a list. Yeah, there's you have the folks that do the bulk.

595
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:56,880
So if they're going to be

596
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,960
a folk hours rental right and

597
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,100
They pay up front prior to the first day they step in. They get a 25% this contest. I think it's a great idea. It's not a lot, but it is appreciated by the organizations. And again, they just pay up front. And then in one instance, we had one of the organizations needed a little bit more time beyond that. And they pay for their additional time as well.

598
00:45:29,580 --> 00:45:39,320
So, with regard to Sturgisfield, the varsity softball field, or Ludlover, Ludbo, is that

599
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,940
not controlled by the Parks and Rec?

600
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:41,320
Yeah.

601
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:42,000
It is.

602
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:42,460
Right.

603
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:43,340
Okay.

604
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:51,780
So, we're a fairfield, little league girl softball, 10,000, so that's for like Osborne Hill.

605
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:53,460
No, those are also.

606
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:54,120
If it was a board.

607
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,940
No, that could be, and I could ask, that could be, I don't know if they do anything

608
00:45:58,940 --> 00:46:04,920
indoors. Yeah, but they probably they're in the fall. Yeah, it could be that kind of stuff.

609
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,680
Okay. All right. Yeah, I was just curious because I mean, that's obviously a field-based program

610
00:46:17,340 --> 00:46:23,040
whereas Fairfield American must not use our facilities. I mean, indoor.

611
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:30,380
Yeah, because the piece so much smaller. Yeah, this is interesting though. Like,

612
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:38,920
Connecticut Fury, that's the travel softball, 1900. What softball fields do we control?

613
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,280
I could check they could be using ward. That would be my guess.

614
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,940
Maybe that could be using ward's field. Okay. I was just curious. Yeah.

615
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,480
Because in case any question comes up.

616
00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:03,040
And it may not be just for games. They could be doing,

617
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:08,200
you know, a summer camp. So for example, the Southern Connecticut Church of Christ,

618
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:13,300
That's the, that's the vault pricing that they agree to long-term. Okay, so when you see a number

619
00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:21,620
like that, we see it led by Christ greater than the youth orchestra. Same thing. Okay.

620
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:26,180
Fairville County Children's Choir. We heard from them. Yeah. Children's Choir.

621
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:28,540
Okay.

622
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:35,980
I think this is helpful. I do too. I mean, we try to just be realistic with everyone based on

623
00:47:35,980 --> 00:47:36,480
their

624
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:40,020
category really and we don't

625
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:46,820
So be consistent. That's it. So that no one feels as if somebody's getting preference over any

626
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:50,380
Yes, overall has the policy

627
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:56,600
Worked in terms of given the guidance that was needed. Yeah, is there anything in there that you would

628
00:47:57,140 --> 00:48:01,820
Recommend to policy that needs to be tweaked or that you've got questions that you

629
00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:04,240
No, no

630
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:10,820
Well, I wouldn't change anything happy. We had the way I ran different meetings or obviously on this or

631
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:18,060
Wait some time. Yeah, I ended in a good way. Okay payment for people pay after okay

632
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:23,420
So I just just so we know on this you'll look at the custodial revenue doesn't line up with

633
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,600
What this enclosure five is it's slightly off but again some of that because enclosure five has run purely off the fiscal year

634
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,820
And this is showing payments that could have come in

635
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:40,980
Oh, that repayment. Okay. Yeah. So we did see that it's a minor difference, but in case

636
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:46,900
that question were never come up. Yeah. And I can amend that to, to, like I said, it's

637
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:52,360
all data and mueness. It's not like I'd be changing any numbers. Yeah. So I can just update

638
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,560
it with that different view.

639
00:48:57,610 --> 00:48:59,310
What's the PhD group?

640
00:49:03,790 --> 00:49:05,310
They're in here for 40,000.

641
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:12,560
We will, they are. It's a great question. They're good. We're good renters. Yes, they are.

642
00:49:13,380 --> 00:49:17,680
Maybe they're a... Would you say that we're about maxed out for rentals?

643
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,460
Or... Well, I think it's hard because like I had someone reach out to me the other day and ask

644
00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:30,760
it for some gym time in the winter. My refer to them the marium. And you know, with parks and

645
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:37,500
rack and also they're not included. Of course, so they do use a lot of gym time and things

646
00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:42,720
like that in the summertime. I mean, in the winter time, they're all their stuff. So

647
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:48,420
I think we're, I know at the high schools what we control, yeah, we are pretty much maxed

648
00:49:48,420 --> 00:49:56,470
them. Yeah, and I think there may be some opportunity. I don't want to promise anyone.

649
00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:00,330
That's

650
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:05,110
or first year, next year when Gina has the opportunity

651
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:08,650
to have the additional turf, so there may be,

652
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:13,570
that may open up some evening rental of the main stadium.

653
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:18,790
I don't know, or that just may give more consistent time

654
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:22,010
to FYF or whomever, okay, I don't know.

655
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:23,310
So if that's gonna be something,

656
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:26,050
I will have to wait the first season

657
00:50:26,050 --> 00:50:27,870
and then go to Gina and say, hey,

658
00:50:27,870 --> 00:50:34,650
Yeah. Well, I know FYF, since RLS opened, uses that field heavily for their home practices

659
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:37,890
and games, but that's controlled by Parks and Rec, which is why it's not reflected

660
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:38,590
in its numbers.

661
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:50,610
So I think the one thing I would say is, you know, for the finance team and

662
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:55,790
working with Angeles and Mike, just to monitor the rates and if you feel that they're acceptable,

663
00:50:55,790 --> 00:51:01,050
I mean, obviously we have to strike a balance because we want people to use, be able to use our facilities,

664
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:09,370
but also we don't want them worn out, you know, and I don't think there's any amount we could

665
00:51:09,370 --> 00:51:17,150
charge to cover in theory that hypothetical wearing out, because honestly this revenue isn't

666
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:23,890
going into a separate holding account, you know. No, but when these, you know, we have new turf going

667
00:51:23,890 --> 00:51:30,110
that ward. We're going to be replacing turf at Ludlow and Ward as well. The turf hourly

668
00:51:30,110 --> 00:51:37,410
rate is going to reflect that in the foot. New stuff. Okay. Obviously. Absolutely. Because

669
00:51:37,410 --> 00:51:45,190
we know that it's at a premium and we should not be as taxpayers of the town just giving

670
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:50,510
it away at a low rate. Yeah. When we know it's and that's something we already subtly adjusted

671
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:55,150
in the right. We're going to continue to do that, but new turf comes with new price.

672
00:51:56,810 --> 00:52:01,410
But that was what I wanted. The categories have not proven because that was

673
00:52:02,170 --> 00:52:08,130
where policy twisted into pretzels on those categories. That's still working well.

674
00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:17,150
Yes. Okay. All right. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Item D changed to the 401A trustee,

675
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:24,150
and closures seven and eight and I'll just give a little brief update here from the B.O.E.

676
00:52:25,530 --> 00:52:36,250
Frank had come to Jen a while back about some changes to the plan and what not and had requested

677
00:52:36,250 --> 00:52:41,990
that he wanted to meet with somebody from board of finance and you know the the towns contracted

678
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:48,230
person who handled the 401A. Again, this is not the pension, this is the 401A. So this is the

679
00:52:49,110 --> 00:52:55,430
benefits for people that are not qualified for a pension, some are in the union, etc.

680
00:52:57,250 --> 00:53:03,910
And Frank had asked just for somebody from the board, so Jen had you had asked me if I would

681
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:10,710
liais on to this. So we have only kind of come together twice. They're not formal official committee

682
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:16,630
meetings or anything it's really just to try and kind of get on the same page and what Frank is

683
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:23,090
bringing forth today is something that fruit that came out of this discussion and some of this

684
00:53:23,090 --> 00:53:34,170
stuff that Frank is trying to tackle has been in the years making that it's I want to I'm just going

685
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:39,990
to say so I think that can was kind of kicked down the road and requests were made and nothing was

686
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:45,270
done from our side. So Frank, I give him credit for stepping in here and saying, okay, let's

687
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:52,710
look at this and talk to them and figure it out. This, just to be clear, is not a board function.

688
00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:59,190
So the board does not manage the pensions that people are on that side.

689
00:53:59,190 --> 00:54:03,650
But hey, this is a very new discussion. That's by the teachers are under the state pension, all the

690
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:09,910
other ones are under the town pension and everyone else qualifies. It's important to delineate

691
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:16,150
that there is a town side defined benefits for a one plan and there's one for the board.

692
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:23,050
That is something that may lead to future discussions on the others. There's any collaboration

693
00:54:23,050 --> 00:54:30,650
there or consolidation possible. But really what happened was there was some money

694
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:37,150
sitting in the thing from forfeitures from people that did not vest. So the board contributes up

695
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:42,430
to a certain percentage. But if you don't vest, they don't get to keep that money when they leave

696
00:54:42,430 --> 00:54:48,890
and that money stays in there. So the trustee is responsible for ensuring how that money is

697
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:55,570
you know, properly spent and fiduciary responsibilities and Courtney is still listed as the trustee.

698
00:54:55,750 --> 00:55:02,070
So the idea that Frank's going to bring forward and at the advice of council and the plan

699
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:17,030
Yeah, is that we name the trustees that we're going to talk about here in title, not in name, so that if this person in the title changes position changes, we don't have to go through all this again.

700
00:55:17,310 --> 00:55:18,730
And that has to be a voting item.

701
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:22,350
Yeah, that administrative change.

702
00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:25,970
Yes, but if we if we started by saying this isn't a board.

703
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:28,190
No, but trustee assignment.

704
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:31,810
OK, so, but if we assign, for example,

705
00:55:31,830 --> 00:55:34,030
the superintendent, the director of human resources,

706
00:55:34,350 --> 00:55:39,210
the director of finance, then when those people know I get that to come back to them.

707
00:55:39,590 --> 00:55:40,870
Yeah, we've been doing that in policy.

708
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:44,110
A lot of pulling names out of policies like for title nine and all that stuff.

709
00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:48,430
But what we don't do as the board is get involved with

710
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:51,790
the management of the fund or who contributes what that's that's not a

711
00:55:51,790 --> 00:55:56,510
board function. Okay. Turn it over to Frank. Yeah. No, I think that's a very

712
00:55:56,510 --> 00:56:01,770
good summary. Doing a quite title. So that way, you essentially don't have to

713
00:56:01,770 --> 00:56:05,790
vote on this. I don't want to make any kind of title, but who's the trustee? And I

714
00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:09,550
just anticipated that people say, well, does the trustee do so that's why just

715
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:12,430
yeah, there's a lot of those are responsible. Yeah.

716
00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:16,770
So it'll just help us

717
00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:22,070
would turn over. It's more than an administrative item with the plan that our attorney recommended

718
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:29,350
that we have. The backup here is a blank coffee. For the meeting on September 8, it will be filled

719
00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:34,250
out. Even though we're being appointed by name, we still have to sign. Even though we're being

720
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:39,630
appointed by title, we still have to sign, but we'll be appointed by title. And then after it's

721
00:56:39,630 --> 00:56:45,050
voted on, then Katie Flynn will just kind of outfill in this stuff. Katie Flynn will just have to

722
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:55,170
So my one question is, is that it had come up in Mike in conversation of executive director of human resources.

723
00:56:56,190 --> 00:56:58,350
You had talked about that possibly being a director.

724
00:56:59,870 --> 00:57:03,750
I mean, I ended up, we ended up with an executive director.

725
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:06,710
I don't know, overly behind the scenes, but the big difference.

726
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:08,390
I just know that that was something you had brought up.

727
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:11,330
So the, the, you're comfortable with these titles.

728
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:11,670
Yes.

729
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:12,350
Okay.

730
00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:15,530
Okay.

731
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:30,320
And this is planning for a one and done. Yeah, I would say so. Well, I don't know, whatever, if I, if I, because I've been on the August 25th agenda and then you're not going to be here. So we pushed it off.

732
00:57:30,740 --> 00:57:36,500
Yeah, one one and I don't see why this would need to be. This is more of a contractual type.

733
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:37,980
That's an administrative thing, yeah.

734
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Yeah.

735
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,860
And right now we don't have a name to trustee.

736
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,800
And we should probably have one.

737
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:44,100
Yes.

738
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:44,580
Okay.

739
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:46,420
Okay.

740
00:57:46,900 --> 00:57:48,440
Because it's named was courty.

741
00:57:51,150 --> 00:57:51,410
Got it.

742
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:54,070
Okay.

743
00:57:54,610 --> 00:57:54,870
Okay.

744
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:57,410
So see here.

745
00:57:58,870 --> 00:58:01,570
Discussion of possible dialogue changes.

746
00:58:03,130 --> 00:58:05,770
Unfortunately, the chair of this committee apparently had to leave.

747
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:06,970
I do see her on there.

748
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:29,250
No one is on. Okay. This then and I are a bylaws committee, which is chair by Jan Jacobson. It's an advisory committee formed by the board to look at the bylaws and we are in the process of putting together a whole slew of edits to bring before the board this fall

749
00:58:29,930 --> 00:58:36,410
to clean up the document and make it more applicable to have the operating.

750
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:43,610
This has been requested of all the committees to see if there's any way in from the committees.

751
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:49,750
I think you and I are already on the advisory committee and we have brought forth to our advisory

752
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:50,330
committee.

753
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:58,590
What we think, one of the things is creating somewhat of a preamble to all of the committees.

754
00:58:58,990 --> 00:59:04,450
So all of the regular business and minutia are handled before and then each committee has

755
00:59:04,450 --> 00:59:10,070
listed what their charge is, which is pretty much focused on the purpose part of the statement.

756
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:17,260
And to me, it would be really helpful if Terry Frank and Mike took a look because

757
00:59:17,780 --> 00:59:21,420
if there's anything in there that, and I say this because I've been on this committee for less

758
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:22,020
than a year.

759
00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:29,130
So I look at this and think, well, that's kind of a description of what we have done,

760
00:59:29,130 --> 00:59:35,110
but if there's a way to improve that, or to... Yeah, and right now the purpose of this committee is

761
00:59:35,110 --> 00:59:41,090
just two points here. Right. So that's the wording, because everything before it is going to get

762
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:43,910
pulled out.

763
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:49,920
Yeah, and you don't have to, to putting you on the spot here, you don't have to

764
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,360
answer this immediately right now. I mean, we are, we're later today. We are meeting, we are meeting

765
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,980
tonight. So if you do have any input for, for the purpose

766
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,660
So the finance and budget committee shall be as follows, portion. If you could get that to one of us to bring forth tonight to the advisory committee, that would be awesome. We're also continuing to meet into September. So if something occurs to you later, again, I think this was decently put together, but all three of you know better than I do what the role of this committee has been. So if there's something that you think this really should be noted in there.

767
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:33,000
One topic I've, because this is a topic that came up with the curriculum committee,

768
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:36,920
do you see any role, and I don't?

769
01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:43,820
Any role that voting would be a support as in finance committee, that we are, in other

770
01:00:43,820 --> 01:00:51,390
words, putting our stamp on saying, we support how you're approaching this or anything like

771
01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:51,730
that.

772
01:00:52,270 --> 01:00:54,190
I don't think it's been a big deal here.

773
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:56,670
It's been a bigger deal, I think, in other committees.

774
01:00:57,670 --> 01:01:03,910
certainly happened in policy we do vote but I think voting things out of

775
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:11,850
committee is helpful when it gets to the board that there's consensus of the

776
01:01:11,850 --> 01:01:18,890
committee and if they did there I mean you have two big purposes here yeah that I

777
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:31,210
think you're saying, hey, we did our part. We're in support of X or Y, and we're behind

778
01:01:31,210 --> 01:01:35,910
it. You know, what was frustrating, as you mentioned, and some other committees is

779
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:42,530
where someone would be very much in support of something at the committee level, and then

780
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:49,550
and voted against it at the board table so then it's almost as if why are we sitting

781
01:01:49,550 --> 01:01:51,450
and going through all this at the committee?

782
01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:59,530
And so that's why I raise that as an idea because it definitely has not in my experience

783
01:01:59,530 --> 01:02:05,230
here have been part of the role here and no and I originally am the one that formed this

784
01:02:05,230 --> 01:02:10,910
committee years ago and the bylaws have proposed it and you know Christine at the time as chair

785
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:17,370
We didn't feel that the fruit of these meetings was really

786
01:02:17,370 --> 01:02:18,970
a two, like, what do we vote on?

787
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:21,790
That we vote to approve how Frank is going to bring for it,

788
01:02:21,830 --> 01:02:23,150
the Q4 before it.

789
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,480
I don't know if that's an appropriate, like, you know what I mean?

790
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,980
But I, I don't know how we, maybe vote when necessary,

791
01:02:31,980 --> 01:02:34,120
or when asked, or I don't know.

792
01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:39,140
I think one of the things just, you know, because...

793
01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:40,780
Well, I like that idea of when asked.

794
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:41,120
Yeah.

795
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:55,780
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, possibly as you know, you know, something suggested. Yeah. I mean number two here, you know, the committee to explore research and vet. I was maybe instead of vet, but initiate new finance and budget related ideas.

796
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:11,930
Because I'm really excited where this committee and some of the things that the opportunity

797
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:19,850
we have here with Frank and Terry, you know, bringing forth fresh and new ideas on how

798
01:03:19,850 --> 01:03:25,130
we report out how we, you know, just do business and it's great.

799
01:03:27,380 --> 01:03:31,640
And I think it has been, it's definitely been helpful to me to see, you know, the work of

800
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,140
the committee and I think we give decent feedback in terms of what's going to help the board

801
01:03:35,140 --> 01:03:45,840
better understand. They both have a great understanding in anticipating some of the things that the

802
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:52,840
Tom will ask and the Tom will care about, you know, especially having the experience on the

803
01:03:52,840 --> 01:04:00,320
Yeah. I have less insight for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And if there is anything that I

804
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:05,300
ever think that they want to know, I just kind of will reach out to the board of finance.

805
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:11,220
Parents say, Hey, this is what's being discussed. Yeah. So, you know, I always check with my first

806
01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:18,340
since it's kind of another board, but yeah. But so it's just the final thing. So if anything

807
01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:23,260
occurs to you for these two things just to be really clear and transparent about what our

808
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:29,240
role is if something occurs to you, hopefully within the next month, but just let us know.

809
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:33,020
Or if you think there's something here that's inaccurate. To me, it looks pretty good. It feels

810
01:04:33,020 --> 01:04:39,360
like this is what we've been doing, but and then maybe I'll try to work on something that

811
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:46,260
I'll put it on to the spreadsheet for our next bilomity. That somehow incorporates that idea of

812
01:04:46,260 --> 01:04:54,320
voting when necessary or when requested so and the hard part about that is

813
01:04:54,320 --> 01:05:01,280
going to be I want to be clear voting can never stop something. The finance

814
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,060
committee can't vote say we don't like what's in the queue for I mean that's a

815
01:05:05,060 --> 01:05:10,860
silly example for here but like if the board chair whoever the board chair is has

816
01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:15,360
requested something on the agenda no subcommittee should be able to stop that.

817
01:05:18,660 --> 01:05:22,200
No, I think policy should be included in that.

818
01:05:23,180 --> 01:05:26,760
Policy members can vote, this has come up in policy.

819
01:05:27,260 --> 01:05:30,280
That things have been stopped because I didn't want to barrel ahead.

820
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,700
Where it was clear there was going to be a one two vote on something.

821
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,420
So it stopped it for the purposes of keeping working through it.

822
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,900
But if it were requested, I don't think any subcommittee of three,

823
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:46,560
a minority of the board should be able to stop something.

824
01:05:46,860 --> 01:05:50,080
I understand that because it was requested for the administration.

825
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,140
That could be the case. Yeah.

826
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:53,400
Okay.

827
01:05:53,900 --> 01:05:54,360
All right.

828
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:58,760
So the last item F is discussion and class size amendment.

829
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:07,060
Miss Cannelli and said at the last BOE meeting or the June BOE meeting

830
01:06:07,060 --> 01:06:12,380
that the first September meeting would be a first read, right?

831
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:41,960
First read, Mrs. Jacobson's amendment that she came up with at the very end of that process in June and the facilities committee was asked to look at building utilization and provide any available space or if in the case we are over using a building.

832
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,060
So the Facilities Committee continues to work on that and I will turn it over to Mrs.

833
01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:55,600
Kamali here for the financial impact this template that she came up with to discuss.

834
01:06:56,220 --> 01:07:00,460
Yeah so I unfortunately was not clear when I shared this with Frank that I'd hope to have

835
01:07:00,460 --> 01:07:06,300
everything filled in so but the only part that Frank can't fill in is the actual number of sections

836
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:11,580
impacted which I can readily look that up myself so I don't need you to be going into the

837
01:07:11,580 --> 01:07:16,860
enrollment arrays. I just needed the dollar amount. Yeah. And then I can look that up. And then if

838
01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:22,480
you're okay with it, well, let me start with that. What would be the... So the number that I

839
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,840
calculated just looked at, I looked at the teachers that were recently hired for the new sections and I

840
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:34,420
took their average salary and included Medicare because they don't pay the Social Security portion

841
01:07:35,020 --> 01:07:41,320
of employment taxes. Dental and health insurance premiums at the district would be liable for. And

842
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:47,360
the total of all those comes to $1.24, $9.87 per teacher.

843
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:48,460
Oh, wait, what was the sense?

844
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:49,620
99 cents.

845
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:49,920
Okay.

846
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,120
So what was up, $1.24?

847
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:53,680
You could just do $1.24, $9.88.

848
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,580
Okay, we'll go around to $1.24, $9.88.

849
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:58,280
I just have a question.

850
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:01,160
And so we're talking a little right now

851
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,800
about the financial impact if we made this,

852
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,560
if this amendment number four passes.

853
01:08:06,860 --> 01:08:07,240
That's correct.

854
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:13,980
because, all right, so I'm going to just throw out there. It's an easy million, million,

855
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:22,440
million one because with the current, we're looking at the, with Dr. with Mr. Krasnoff's

856
01:08:22,440 --> 01:08:30,160
amendment already that has passed and applying it to, if this passes, just as we stand today,

857
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:36,460
or yesterday, end of day, yesterday, or we would have eight more sections at the elementary

858
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:38,800
than what we budgeted.

859
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,280
Eight more than we have as of now.

860
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,260
That would be on top of the five sections.

861
01:08:45,260 --> 01:08:46,900
I'm sorry, are we ready?

862
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,180
Okay, so things have changed

863
01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:52,380
because when I looked at the numbers on August 11th

864
01:08:52,380 --> 01:08:53,320
from the Friday packet,

865
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,520
or whatever that came out,

866
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,540
the Friday packet numbers.

867
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,060
I believe it was based on this amendment.

868
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,100
It would have been five additional sections on top of

869
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,560
where it stood that day.

870
01:09:07,260 --> 01:09:13,840
Yeah, so looking at it, K-2, we would be opening another second grade at Burr.

871
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:17,260
Well, the left here, I have everyone here.

872
01:09:18,420 --> 01:09:23,820
So I have, we would be adding a Kindergarten and second grade at Burr.

873
01:09:24,780 --> 01:09:30,480
Kindergarten, not yet, we're at 20 all the way across, but if one more's walked in the door.

874
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:31,800
Because there's three sections.

875
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:32,760
There's three sections.

876
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:33,060
Yeah.

877
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:33,100
Yeah.

878
01:09:33,580 --> 01:09:37,220
If that had been only two sections, 20 would have triggered a new section.

879
01:09:37,420 --> 01:09:37,600
Right.

880
01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:40,730
But there's three.

881
01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:41,110
No.

882
01:09:41,550 --> 01:09:50,450
Because for next year, if Mrs. Jacobson's amendment passed, the class size would go to 21.

883
01:09:50,850 --> 01:09:53,310
We would be two within, which would trigger another section.

884
01:09:53,610 --> 01:09:53,950
Total.

885
01:09:54,130 --> 01:09:54,530
Total.

886
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:55,390
Total two within.

887
01:09:55,570 --> 01:09:58,030
So 63 is like...

888
01:09:58,030 --> 01:09:58,650
It would have to get to 61.

889
01:09:58,830 --> 01:09:59,510
It would have to get to 61.

890
01:09:59,770 --> 01:09:59,790
It would have to get to 61.

891
01:09:59,790 --> 01:10:00,050
It would have to get to 61.

892
01:10:00,550 --> 01:10:01,530
No, it would have to get to 61.

893
01:10:01,870 --> 01:10:03,990
No, it would have to get to 61.

894
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:06,350
as of the Friday packet, it was at 61.

895
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:08,810
Somebody might have changed.

896
01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:13,130
So that may have changed, yeah, as of the 17th.

897
01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:13,410
Okay.

898
01:10:14,490 --> 01:10:18,410
Maybe somebody didn't change, couldn't, I don't know,

899
01:10:18,490 --> 01:10:19,150
maybe somebody left.

900
01:10:19,210 --> 01:10:20,690
Is there a way to get a printout of that

901
01:10:20,690 --> 01:10:22,650
for the facilities, can we do later today as well?

902
01:10:23,130 --> 01:10:23,610
Yeah, okay.

903
01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:25,690
Of what Mike's looking at, yes.

904
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:28,790
Yeah, so what we definitely would have a second grade there,

905
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:29,970
because they're all at 21.

906
01:10:32,250 --> 01:10:37,610
And we'd be teeter in fifth grade, but not quite there because they're all at 23.

907
01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:40,930
So the second grade, for sure, ever would open.

908
01:10:42,090 --> 01:10:53,130
We would open a first grade and a second grade at Holland Hill, what are those numbers

909
01:10:53,130 --> 01:10:53,430
now?

910
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:57,170
61 in first grade and 62 in second grade.

911
01:10:57,170 --> 01:11:04,530
So these have gone up since this and we would be also opening a fifth grade at Holland hill at 70

912
01:11:05,690 --> 01:11:13,470
Wow, yep, then we would be opening at Jennings. We would be opening a first a second and a fifth

913
01:11:13,470 --> 01:11:19,410
Yeah, that I had so there's three so are those numbers at Jennings still 43 42 and 47

914
01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:20,210
Yeah, so I got

915
01:11:21,130 --> 01:11:26,730
And then we would be opening a first grade at Mill Hill. That's still in 63

916
01:11:27,170 --> 01:11:32,030
62 so someone dropped okay, and then we would be

917
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:35,990
That's all like that as a glass

918
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:39,930
Yeah, yeah, that's eight. That's eight

919
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:47,170
So that's eight more and we're already over five. So that's be a total 13 new sections

920
01:11:47,170 --> 01:11:55,810
In our 11 elementary thought and it's actually not in our 11 elementary schools. It's concentrated to four elementary schools

921
01:11:57,570 --> 01:12:03,990
So, yeah, and I can tell you that at the hotel has room for that.

922
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:06,230
No, I know. I just tell you for a fact, they don't.

923
01:12:06,230 --> 01:12:07,690
I mean, there's a lot that's looked at this.

924
01:12:07,710 --> 01:12:08,970
And we're going to look at it for today.

925
01:12:09,210 --> 01:12:09,750
Jennings does.

926
01:12:09,890 --> 01:12:10,770
Jennings doesn't.

927
01:12:10,890 --> 01:12:11,490
And all right.

928
01:12:11,530 --> 01:12:16,430
It on paper, it looks like there are the classrooms available.

929
01:12:16,710 --> 01:12:20,110
But because of special, special Ed and special programming,

930
01:12:20,910 --> 01:12:23,110
that we are obliged to provide.

931
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:29,870
And we can't just say, oh, move a CLC from this school to this, but it's not just that easy.

932
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:31,590
That's not the board's prerogative.

933
01:12:32,150 --> 01:12:33,330
That's also called it redistricting.

934
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:35,470
Well, that would be redistricting.

935
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:42,110
But the problem is, and we're going to talk about the facilities, when we look at these impacts,

936
01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:46,570
we don't have the room now to redistrict to make it work.

937
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:54,430
So until Dwight comes on and Jennings comes on and the discussion on Jennings is going

938
01:12:54,430 --> 01:12:57,270
to have to be adding space, regardless.

939
01:12:57,670 --> 01:12:57,770
Yeah.

940
01:12:58,210 --> 01:13:05,690
And I think that, I mean, for me, that would be the time to really holistically look at

941
01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:11,470
true class size change and redistricting because then you could then you could make meaningful

942
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:15,610
impacts on class sizes if you had the space, but we don't have the space right now.

943
01:13:15,610 --> 01:13:21,850
And my question is, this amendment came before the board prior to Mr.

944
01:13:22,090 --> 01:13:27,970
Krasnoff's amendment passed. So take that time. It didn't. This was Mr. Krasnoff's passed.

945
01:13:28,730 --> 01:13:33,710
And this one was offered on the floor. This was not submitted ahead of time.

946
01:13:33,890 --> 01:13:42,470
Because my question is, absent Mr. Krasnoff's amendment, lowering from 25 to 24 and three to five

947
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:46,230
gets us what is what are we accomplished by doing?

948
01:13:48,940 --> 01:13:50,700
I think the idea always has

949
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,940
been well yeah 24 versus 25 doesn't make a big difference but the idea is

950
01:13:55,940 --> 01:14:01,920
when you lower it you're gonna have more often sections of 17. Well without

951
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:09,320
Mr. Krabson also men may it doesn't have any impact on those grades because they

952
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:25,330
Yeah, so I mean when you look at the numbers, it I think the intent of that amendment that passed worked and in some schools, it's it's put us in a bit of a bind.

953
01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:40,190
Yeah, Ed Stratfield, they are going to be very tight on space. I know they wanted those class sizes, so I'm sure those parents are going to, you know, understand any potential sacrifice for space there.

954
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:47,670
because the class sizes, we're important everybody across the district, but the whole idea

955
01:14:47,670 --> 01:14:56,830
being dismissed about art going on a cart, etc. becomes a real possibility in some of these

956
01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:59,410
an absent Mr. Krasnoff's amendment.

957
01:15:00,110 --> 01:15:29,230
Those eight sections only in both K-2 and 3-5 only materialized to one new section. So as of the first grade agenics, there's one at 22. So absent his amendment, lowering to 21 and lowering to 24 only really affects one school and one grade level. That is it. So eight sections as of right now, as of today, as of yesterday's enrollment.

958
01:15:29,230 --> 01:15:32,890
I think that's what we had on top of the five, the five.

959
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:34,010
I thought it was six, it was five.

960
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:38,590
I can vary from the budget to where we are now.

961
01:15:39,670 --> 01:15:40,550
208, 208.

962
01:15:40,850 --> 01:15:43,530
So that was all in, I think it was eight.

963
01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:46,890
That would have been a budget savings.

964
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:49,450
If we didn't have, if we didn't have the amendment.

965
01:15:50,010 --> 01:15:51,510
I'm showing we budget in 199.

966
01:15:52,730 --> 01:15:55,210
No, that's what, that's what the project.

967
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:57,070
The project that we had a couple.

968
01:15:57,070 --> 01:16:04,210
the budget was what? 203. 203. Okay, so we're 5 over. We're 5 over the 203, which is,

969
01:16:05,610 --> 01:16:11,370
which is... Are we still in the 208 today? That was as a yesterday when I looked.

970
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:15,490
So, let me just double-check his last men of registration. It's always folks.

971
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:23,810
Yeah, but they're not triggering his men than anymore. That's it now. Yeah, and that's the kind of the

972
01:16:23,810 --> 01:16:28,390
behind the scenes making us a sausage thing that the board does not usually see and it's

973
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:33,370
a good reason for it because it's you know going up and down. And again you're also talking

974
01:16:33,370 --> 01:16:42,390
about finding furniture, getting the materials. Yeah the 999. Yeah we're still at 208. So if we

975
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:47,790
from the projections were nine above the projections, thank God we didn't budget based on the projections

976
01:16:47,790 --> 01:16:52,390
And then we would be 17 above this past over the projections.

977
01:16:53,410 --> 01:16:58,290
Okay, so just using this template, really quick.

978
01:16:58,950 --> 01:17:04,870
So we're talking about eight additional sections on top of where we are right now,

979
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:06,610
which is already five over budget.

980
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:12,790
So if we were looking at eight times 120 for 988,

981
01:17:16,350 --> 01:17:27,830
We're at 999.904, then add the five sections that we're already over.

982
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:35,620
That's an additional 624.940, which we're over.

983
01:17:35,620 --> 01:17:44,680
So instead of the 624, which were already over, it would really be over by 1.624,

984
01:17:48,050 --> 01:17:49,050
including

985
01:17:49,050 --> 01:17:55,390
what's already been done, plus. So right now we're 600, we're roughly 600 over.

986
01:17:56,270 --> 01:18:02,510
Right. And I just, in terms of being transparent with the numbers, his impact is more than five sections.

987
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:07,550
There would have been, because I think there were, how many sections were added because of his amendment.

988
01:18:08,830 --> 01:18:15,950
Four. No. Well, no. One night, because if projected was one night. One of them, you had already triggered.

989
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:24,050
But I'm not, I'm counting that as that's part of it. It was triggered ultimately because we were guessing the amendment would come into play and it did.

990
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:29,330
But I think the total impact of his amendment was eight or nine, wasn't it?

991
01:18:29,410 --> 01:18:32,390
It would be nine if you go off the one nine or nine.

992
01:18:32,650 --> 01:18:33,610
We have not off the budget.

993
01:18:34,090 --> 01:18:39,450
No, no, no, I recognize that, but what I'm talking about from the lens of the town,

994
01:18:39,950 --> 01:18:43,690
we would have had that would have been a budget surplus right now.

995
01:18:44,290 --> 01:18:47,770
That could have been used as part of the overall management of the district.

996
01:18:48,210 --> 01:18:52,370
So the cost of his amendment is nine times this.

997
01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:56,990
That doesn't mean that's not the same thing as the budget impact because why nine?

998
01:18:58,090 --> 01:18:59,590
Nine new sections were created

999
01:19:01,770 --> 01:19:03,230
compared to what?

1000
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:08,190
Compared to what they would have been without his amendment. We would have had a surplus of FTE

1001
01:19:11,310 --> 01:19:16,510
So we would have had I don't understand if we budgeted 203 and we only filled 199

1002
01:19:16,510 --> 01:19:23,410
Right, what we would have had a surplus. We would have had half a million dollars surplus in but we were over regardless of his amendment

1003
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:25,790
That's why we budgeted higher.

1004
01:19:26,570 --> 01:19:27,570
The projections were off.

1005
01:19:27,730 --> 01:19:28,790
We know the projections are off.

1006
01:19:29,150 --> 01:19:35,480
Okay, but I'm not the cost of his, I'm trying to just have a simple bottom line, the cost

1007
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:38,240
of his amendment was nine new sections.

1008
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,860
Therefore the cost of his amendment was nine times one twenty four.

1009
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,200
That's the cost of his amendment.

1010
01:19:45,780 --> 01:19:52,980
If it hadn't been, if without the amendment, we would not have had to pay for nine additional

1011
01:19:52,980 --> 01:19:53,520
FTE.

1012
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:58,760
that does not the budget would have had less nine less sections without

1013
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:04,380
his amendment forget the budget we would have had less sections than we budgeted

1014
01:20:04,380 --> 01:20:10,040
based on enroll actual enroll now he always I don't follow that that makes no

1015
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:16,520
sense to me we we we budgeted for 203 we don't we may not have we probably would

1016
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:21,440
not have needed we wouldn't have needed 203 but we budgeted 203 yes we would

1017
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:29,640
of. The actuals would have been lower than two. What were the actuals last year?

1018
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:32,780
What were

1019
01:20:32,780 --> 01:20:38,740
the last fiscal? What was last school year as actuals? Because then we're not adding

1020
01:20:38,740 --> 01:20:42,620
because we would have had the staff. So what he was always speaking of at the board table

1021
01:20:42,620 --> 01:20:48,960
and the data he provided was what is the impact beyond what we budgeted? And that was right

1022
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:53,260
it and it came in right where he estimated it was, which is he said four to five sections.

1023
01:20:53,260 --> 01:20:56,280
that's where it came in, above the budget.

1024
01:20:57,340 --> 01:21:00,720
But in point of fact, if you're the town looking at this,

1025
01:21:01,500 --> 01:21:04,840
the cost of his amendment is the total number

1026
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,140
of new sections added due to his amendment.

1027
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,400
That's not the cost of the amendment.

1028
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,280
But his amendment didn't necessarily cause

1029
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,720
any sections to trigger in those overages.

1030
01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:20,220
Those could have been based on, we would have-

1031
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:22,400
Do you see what I'm saying is?

1032
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:27,280
No, all of them were, because none of them were, because anything that went, you know,

1033
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:33,680
if you had three sections of K, that went 23, 23, 24, that's not a cause of his amendment.

1034
01:21:34,420 --> 01:21:37,480
That is just our class size policy, triggered that new section.

1035
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:44,600
His amendment single-handedly were responsible for nine additional sections.

1036
01:21:46,180 --> 01:21:48,640
Now the budget happened to cover-

1037
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:57,920
we were okay with class size, but because it's within two, it triggers a section. Those two never

1038
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,440
may have materialized to actually trigger a section at any point in the EI. I understand. I

1039
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:07,900
appreciate I'm sorry for being dumb. No, that's okay. It's two different kind of conversations. So

1040
01:22:07,900 --> 01:22:11,460
it's just in terms of being honest about bottom line numbers.

1041
01:22:13,700 --> 01:22:14,800
It's a cost of nine.

1042
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:25,320
Yeah, I'm going to try and then what Mike saying is based on this the froze amendment for it's another has up where we've already right there's eight more right there's eight more.

1043
01:22:27,850 --> 01:22:33,030
Wow. Yeah, that means that mean one I had one, two, three, four, five, six.

1044
01:22:34,170 --> 01:22:40,270
So they they're two, two more since I looked at this from the Friday pack at because of enrollment.

1045
01:22:40,270 --> 01:22:40,390
I don't have a comment.

1046
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:41,890
Wow.

1047
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:42,410
Okay.

1048
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:44,790
Like Colin Hill, for example.

1049
01:22:45,450 --> 01:22:46,630
How about we had none?

1050
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:50,230
Well, without his amendment, we only have two Ks there.

1051
01:22:51,150 --> 01:22:51,530
Not three.

1052
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,300
Oh, yeah.

1053
01:22:55,580 --> 01:22:57,760
Strap you've got three sections added because of the amendment.

1054
01:22:58,240 --> 01:22:58,560
Correct.

1055
01:22:58,860 --> 01:23:00,180
56, 14, 14.

1056
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:00,560
Let's go.

1057
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,020
Foreigner Strap field hearing.

1058
01:23:02,380 --> 01:23:03,780
Yes, I'm sorry.

1059
01:23:03,980 --> 01:23:06,880
I'm looking at what I looked at for the amendment for.

1060
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:07,440
Not.

1061
01:23:08,060 --> 01:23:10,140
I apologize for you.

1062
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:11,000
It's quite all right.

1063
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,880
dense there. You weren't dense. Yeah.

1064
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:21,140
But the bottom line is, well, facilities will do this,

1065
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,720
this work. You've projected the fiscal impact as of today is a million dollars.

1066
01:23:26,860 --> 01:23:31,420
Million additional additional on top of the top of the finger at the top of the 600 something

1067
01:23:31,420 --> 01:23:37,440
thousand that we've already gone over. Correct. Okay. And that's for that's not only

1068
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:45,840
And I'm okay with one year, I'm still with this $624,000, I'm okay with supporting that

1069
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:51,780
amendment as I did because I think it made a noticeable impact here.

1070
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:52,160
Yeah.

1071
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:57,360
It doesn't mean that it's going to come with some challenges that I'm confident the

1072
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:58,120
principle is.

1073
01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:58,880
Your type of facility.

1074
01:23:59,600 --> 01:23:59,960
Yeah.

1075
01:24:00,860 --> 01:24:03,620
Now, I'm sure you will get the question at the board table.

1076
01:24:03,620 --> 01:24:07,000
Well, where does that 624 come from?

1077
01:24:10,030 --> 01:24:11,830
Going to come from it all over the place.

1078
01:24:12,450 --> 01:24:14,730
So, I'm not saying because I want an answer right now.

1079
01:24:15,450 --> 01:24:16,770
I can't answer that.

1080
01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:20,370
And we also won't know until we're through a couple quarters of the year.

1081
01:24:20,630 --> 01:24:20,730
Right.

1082
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:22,230
Right.

1083
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:22,650
And we won't.

1084
01:24:22,650 --> 01:24:24,010
That doesn't mean the question won't get asked.

1085
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:24,190
No.

1086
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:28,450
And that the answer is, the answer is, we won't really know where it's going to come from.

1087
01:24:28,630 --> 01:24:30,810
And so we get to after at least two quarters.

1088
01:24:31,150 --> 01:24:31,250
Yeah.

1089
01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:37,710
Yeah. Well, no, we'll know because as things pop up, we're going to try to save money

1090
01:24:37,710 --> 01:24:41,190
because I know in the back of my mind, forget transportation.

1091
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:46,710
No, but what I've got $625,000. So again, if we can consolidate a position, if somebody

1092
01:24:46,710 --> 01:24:53,550
retires or we can shift responsibilities and not fill a job and give a stipend like we

1093
01:24:53,550 --> 01:24:56,590
did with the music sector, we're going to do those things.

1094
01:24:56,590 --> 01:25:02,770
So your confident will be able without making some sort of detrimental impacts to students

1095
01:25:02,770 --> 01:25:07,930
and learning, we'll be able to cover this 624. We're not going to make any impact on students

1096
01:25:07,930 --> 01:25:15,130
in learning. I don't know if we can get all of it. Okay. Well, but we'll get the facility.

1097
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:19,470
Forget the facility. Forget that. That it doesn't fit in the facility. That's it. Yeah, that's it.

1098
01:25:19,470 --> 01:25:24,430
Well, that's million would be part of the January discussion because this amendment is for 2728.

1099
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:31,130
So, it would be a, are we going to ask for this to be added, because we're going to

1100
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:33,650
deal only with actuals, we're not dealing with the projected numbers.

1101
01:25:33,930 --> 01:25:34,070
Yes.

1102
01:25:34,190 --> 01:25:37,550
And as a hypothetical, we would have been a million dollar ask.

1103
01:25:37,930 --> 01:25:44,630
We also, we would have to project that for next year, obviously, the fifth grader's leaving.

1104
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:49,350
Everybody moving up in a new kindergarten, we'd have to go off projections for that.

1105
01:25:50,990 --> 01:25:53,350
But we have to look at it, what it is this year.

1106
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:57,910
as a basis. We're doing it as a hypothetical. Hypocetically, this is what it would have been this year.

1107
01:25:58,810 --> 01:26:05,990
So the question comes, is this something the board would want to be looking to add likely

1108
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:10,590
to be safe, at least a million dollars to our budget right off the bat for next year.

1109
01:26:12,010 --> 01:26:18,210
And well, really, really one six, you know, one six, so three quarters of a percent.

1110
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:25,250
And then the flip side is, does it fit facilities wise and that's for the facilities committee.

1111
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:35,570
Right. And then the other side of the coin is does that supersede then any other asks that as a

1112
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:43,190
district we would have had. I mean, we didn't do it this year because of what we were anticipating.

1113
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:53,750
Once we heard from the town side that they were going to cut our budget, but there's still the hope to add the elementary school counselors next year.

1114
01:26:54,990 --> 01:26:58,950
And I would rather add that than open up more sections.

1115
01:27:02,420 --> 01:27:02,740
Okay.

1116
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:04,220
So.

1117
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:05,220
Okay.

1118
01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:06,540
This for the notes.

1119
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,360
And I know we can ask for it all.

1120
01:27:10,460 --> 01:27:11,360
We're not going to get it all.

1121
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:13,640
That's just the reality.

1122
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:28,050
So why ask for something and again then it becomes a contentious. Well, I think we need to ask for something that we can, that we truly think is a, if basically responsible investment.

1123
01:27:28,350 --> 01:27:28,490
Right.

1124
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:29,130
In our district.

1125
01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:29,750
Okay.

1126
01:27:30,010 --> 01:27:34,030
Asking for say 17 more FTE.

1127
01:27:37,490 --> 01:27:41,230
At the elementary level, really, that's because that's what we're asking for.

1128
01:27:41,230 --> 01:27:43,250
some it could be upwards of 17.

1129
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:50,150
That has a budget number in year one that continues to grow.

1130
01:27:51,170 --> 01:27:59,850
Yeah, well I think if we had the facilities for it, we could make the argument for the educational

1131
01:28:01,310 --> 01:28:07,610
value if what it was doing was really ensuring because of the cutoffs, ensuring that we were

1132
01:28:07,610 --> 01:28:11,850
going to have 16, 17, 18 in a class, but that doesn't do this here.

1133
01:28:11,890 --> 01:28:16,290
It's not a guarantee, but see, that's, but that's wrong to think if we're going to lower

1134
01:28:16,290 --> 01:28:19,770
class size, then pick a number, but that's what I'm saying.

1135
01:28:20,090 --> 01:28:25,870
Well, pick a number and then David's amendment has to go away, yes, because you can't have

1136
01:28:25,870 --> 01:28:26,170
two.

1137
01:28:26,490 --> 01:28:27,990
Because then it's wrong.

1138
01:28:28,050 --> 01:28:32,550
For example, if you're going to have 18 is your max class size for K through two, right?

1139
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:33,630
Then it's 18.

1140
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:34,590
It's just 18.

1141
01:28:34,890 --> 01:28:41,030
And there's no adding sections at when you're too below you because then we don't that's an interesting point

1142
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:45,510
That's a whole different way to approach and you have to do it though, but that's because that's when I was going to make it fair

1143
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:49,530
We do that until we finish Jennings and

1144
01:28:50,450 --> 01:28:53,710
Redistrate. Well, that's what you're going to see in facility. Yes. Yes. So

1145
01:28:54,370 --> 01:28:59,450
The only way to make it fair is to just get a hard class size across the board

1146
01:28:59,950 --> 01:29:03,590
Every grade level in elementary school at every school be the same

1147
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:10,490
and then there's none of this and that's I get lucky because one kid registered

1148
01:29:10,490 --> 01:29:17,510
and now we're two below the max so we get to go down to 15 and his school and

1149
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:22,290
his classroom doesn't get that one extra to your three below and you stay at

1150
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:22,730
20.

1151
01:29:28,420 --> 01:29:34,160
Yeah I mean meaningful class size reduction right with science behind it. Yeah

1152
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:41,080
Like if we're going to do that, then if we had the science and we had the space to back

1153
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,380
it up, then I would be all for it.

1154
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:44,940
I would be asking.

1155
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,320
Interesting scenario at field.

1156
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:49,540
There are 23, 23, 22.

1157
01:29:50,420 --> 01:29:52,020
Now 15, 16, 17.

1158
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:53,300
Let's see what they're saying.

1159
01:29:53,540 --> 01:29:55,100
Next November's data presentation.

1160
01:29:56,540 --> 01:29:56,980
Absolutely.

1161
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,360
That needs to be a snapshot comparison.

1162
01:29:59,360 --> 01:29:59,880
And where are you?

1163
01:30:00,140 --> 01:30:30,120
If you're saying this is all based on research, which, yeah, we have a little microcosm right here, right? Well, this is, this is going to be a great example. Like you said, I mean, because that that can be just the time and those, those cohorts. And actually, I've just strapped you know, holiday or wherever I've had impacted Osborne Hill Riverfield. You know, those microcosm cohorts. Yeah. Head's up. I think that definitely needs to be a discussion point that you're from now. That's actually going to be really interesting.

1164
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,380
trust thing. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it really will be.

1165
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:39,020
So here's what I'm going to ask your permission for Nick because I think you've got enough on

1166
01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:43,100
your plate because you're working with the facility committee on their presentation.

1167
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:55,160
I'd like to wait until when do we receive as a board the final, here's what we've got for

1168
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:55,760
classes.

1169
01:30:58,050 --> 01:31:05,970
Well, September one is the opening day. Yep. And we'll have that. I mean, the next

1170
01:31:05,970 --> 01:31:09,250
board meeting, we can, it's obviously. Well, it's going to be on, it's part of your report.

1171
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:18,950
May I request that I get a copy Tuesday on that opening day only because then I want to put

1172
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:26,770
together a memo of years, with these actuals, here's the impact so that I have time

1173
01:31:26,770 --> 01:31:33,170
to get it to, well, Tracy, whomever, is all of this accurate, and have that memo go

1174
01:31:33,170 --> 01:31:37,350
in in support of the discussion of the class of the Jacobson's amendment.

1175
01:31:37,690 --> 01:31:38,250
Yeah, that's right.

1176
01:31:38,410 --> 01:31:38,870
Does that make sense?

1177
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:44,830
So I'm just using Frank's, and just a reminder, Frank, this includes salary pension and insurance.

1178
01:31:44,830 --> 01:31:49,690
Well, salary, Medicare, employee expense, and insurance.

1179
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:51,150
Yeah, we don't pay towards pension.

1180
01:31:51,250 --> 01:31:51,990
It's a real summer.

1181
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:53,610
It's a real fringe moment.

1182
01:31:53,710 --> 01:31:55,550
No, I just want to make sure I'm referencing the correct thing.

1183
01:31:55,790 --> 01:31:57,530
So, Medicare and insurance?

1184
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:59,910
Yeah, it's...

1185
01:31:59,910 --> 01:32:00,630
I'm trying to keep it simple.

1186
01:32:00,710 --> 01:32:02,090
Yeah, Medicare, Medicare tax.

1187
01:32:02,410 --> 01:32:03,630
Medicare tax and insurance.

1188
01:32:03,850 --> 01:32:05,130
Four or five percent of the seven.

1189
01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:07,170
Medicare tax and insurance.

1190
01:32:08,730 --> 01:32:08,870
Oh.

1191
01:32:09,450 --> 01:32:10,410
No matter how stupid.

1192
01:32:10,850 --> 01:32:11,470
Okay, Medicare.

1193
01:32:11,890 --> 01:32:12,930
Medicare is the tax.

1194
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:13,250
Yeah.

1195
01:32:13,250 --> 01:32:18,150
Yeah, okay, we don't pay social security in them.

1196
01:32:18,230 --> 01:32:19,310
I'm a little bit.

1197
01:32:19,490 --> 01:32:19,610
Yes.

1198
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:21,530
Just really quick.

1199
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:25,990
What was the base salary and what was the percentage of fringe?

1200
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:28,750
Personager for the base.

1201
01:32:28,830 --> 01:32:30,150
How much was that for?

1202
01:32:30,770 --> 01:32:33,330
It's, it's an average of who we've hired.

1203
01:32:33,330 --> 01:32:37,590
So it's 84, 947, 67 is the base.

1204
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:52,140
I'm sorry. What was the 80 what 84 947 67

1205
01:32:52,140 --> 01:33:00,600
divided by 124 and 88. So we're we're showing a 33%

1206
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,460
fringe. Does that sound right? Well, the fringe is really

1207
01:33:03,460 --> 01:33:09,280
almost 50% of the salary. And then of the health insurance

1208
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:16,640
The health insurance is almost yeah, but I'm getting it you're it's it's showing me 30 30 32 and a half 32.1 percent French. I mean

1209
01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:30,380
he's saying it's 50% of the salary salary is 84. Yeah, and 33% so it's 40% it's of the total it's 33% but it's half the worth of the salary

1210
01:33:30,380 --> 01:33:37,580
Right, which so it's a 40% of the salary added to the salary gets to the total what I'm saying is that's an unrealistic number 50% French

1211
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:53,120
That's that's that's reality. That's what it is. Yeah. Well, that's that's nowhere near what we've ever talked about at any budget meeting. It's funny. I think actually 50% is pretty standard. What ranges have they have we talked about? It's always been at or under 30.

1212
01:33:53,740 --> 01:33:58,580
I mean, it may just be like if you're looking at it, which is pretty common.

1213
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,220
I know for the corporation, I work where we use for grants, we use a 28 or so print.

1214
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:08,360
Well, that would make sense because in private, usually with the insurance is less than the

1215
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,400
employee's or contract contribution, because you usually have, like, you have a high deductible.

1216
01:34:12,740 --> 01:34:21,000
No, plan. I mean, the numbers check out. I mean, that's the health insurance is exactly the total

1217
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:28,680
premiums 50,000 and that's just our cost. Total premiums close to 50. The health insurance

1218
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:34,840
is just, you know, you have exponential growth with it now, right? Over 10 years, it's

1219
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,160
probably doubled. And we usually have, you know, he took the actual people that were hired.

1220
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:45,460
So if they're all on the family plan, that's reflected in that number. He's not saying

1221
01:34:45,460 --> 01:34:49,060
some were single, some were plus one.

1222
01:34:49,300 --> 01:34:56,400
What I'm saying, and then you got the $84,000 plus times,

1223
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,260
80 what, 80 what?

1224
01:34:58,400 --> 01:34:59,500
84,000.

1225
01:34:59,900 --> 01:35:00,540
947.

1226
01:35:00,780 --> 01:35:06,120
I have 47 times 1.32 is 112.

1227
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,100
So 101.40.

1228
01:35:09,380 --> 01:35:09,660
40.

1229
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:10,900
Okay.

1230
01:35:10,900 --> 01:35:21,040
1.47. That should bring you close to 1.24. So we're at 47% print. Yeah. That's all in though.

1231
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:26,800
But that's more than that. So there's other stuff in less. Well, it's more than just, it's not.

1232
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:34,500
You call it a fringe, but some of you know, a fringe is every life. It's benefits. It's all the taxes.

1233
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,160
Right. So what I'm saying is we look at kinetic. There's more. I understand, but there's not.

1234
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:47,260
Yeah, but we're only paying phyka. So that includes unemployment, right? No, I'm just saying

1235
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,820
we have to be clear when we say Frint, when we say what that Fringe is, what it includes.

1236
01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:59,800
It's more than phyka in benefits. Yeah. Because if someone asks because phyka in benefits, yes,

1237
01:35:59,980 --> 01:36:06,760
that would be about my number. Yeah. But we're not including, are we including our payroll taxes?

1238
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:11,580
that's the FICA that's that's the one point that's five okay and then are we

1239
01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:16,380
including any other fees that we're paying is or is that just benefits that's

1240
01:36:16,380 --> 01:36:19,820
our benefits cost really that's right well the only other thing is life and

1241
01:36:19,820 --> 01:36:26,040
life or disability yeah must yeah no that mine my number doesn't I think that's just

1242
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:31,240
health okay because they're only paying the 20 something percent premium

1243
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:38,140
cost share and we're paying the balance. Okay, so that's it. That's all right. We're paying a lot

1244
01:36:38,140 --> 01:36:47,080
of money towards each employee. Yeah, we should do we do we ever provide to our bargaining units

1245
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:56,540
like a lot of companies do how much we paid for your for our side of your benefits. Like every year

1246
01:36:56,540 --> 01:37:09,920
I get a letter from my employer that says you paid this much towards your benefits, we paid this much, and I look and I see how much they pay, and I'm like, whoa, no, we don't do that.

1247
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:14,820
Well, I think on your W2, I think it shows, I think it's box 12 or box 14.

1248
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:15,340
It is.

1249
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,240
Yeah, not that they're looking at it.

1250
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,040
Not that they're looking at it.

1251
01:37:18,060 --> 01:37:20,380
But your W2 would say, does it show what we paid though?

1252
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,240
Yeah, because yeah, it shows what we paid.

1253
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:25,740
I don't remember ever seen that.

1254
01:37:25,740 --> 01:37:26,500
No, I don't think it does.

1255
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:27,760
I probably wouldn't.

1256
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,860
I think it shows with the employee pay.

1257
01:37:31,020 --> 01:37:31,680
Not the one.

1258
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:31,940
Yeah.

1259
01:37:32,060 --> 01:37:35,040
If it's code G, like GG get.

1260
01:37:35,700 --> 01:37:37,660
But um, well, this is interesting because,

1261
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,780
and the reason I say it, and I'm not questioning you.

1262
01:37:39,940 --> 01:37:40,140
Yeah.

1263
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,160
I appreciate this honesty and transparency,

1264
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,260
because the number for years before you can, Mike,

1265
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,320
we were always told, oh, figure 100,000 per employee.

1266
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:53,120
And I always said, what is the fringe?

1267
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,760
What is the cost and they would say oh, it's that but when you really look at it

1268
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:03,620
It's always been higher than that. Yeah, it's always it's always been either between 1.4 to 1.6

1269
01:38:03,620 --> 01:38:06,160
You would average in there depending on the employee

1270
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:12,120
What what the what to multiply the salary by 1.4 or 1 with them

1271
01:38:12,940 --> 01:38:17,440
Thank you. Well, thank you guys for doing it actually got Medicare in there

1272
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:21,080
It could be if you just take I think like a base

1273
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:29,160
salaries, like close to 62,000. So if you apply the same math and you say almost 50% is benefits

1274
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:34,500
if you're assuming that just lower salary people come in, you get close to 100,000.

1275
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:40,660
This is what I don't think board members have fully understood over the years. When we say Mike

1276
01:38:40,660 --> 01:38:47,800
told David figure about 85,000 for salary. He was dead on. I mean, we're in 84 and change.

1277
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:53,260
He said he was dead on, but what we don't properly account for when we plan these things

1278
01:38:53,260 --> 01:39:01,460
out as board members is the true cost because the budget impact is one and a half times that

1279
01:39:01,460 --> 01:39:06,340
salary. Correct. The only time we get that insight is when someone's trying to do an amendment

1280
01:39:06,340 --> 01:39:11,980
on the fly at the board, we have to pause the discussion so someone can confer with you to get

1281
01:39:11,980 --> 01:39:13,760
with the accurate number, but we don't pay attention to that.

1282
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,960
So what a starting salary of about 55 grand,

1283
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,320
I'll just tell you, in my previous district,

1284
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,840
we would always say for a first-year teacher,

1285
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,580
the cost is 85,000.

1286
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:26,500
Yeah, that's a little over 50%.

1287
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:30,120
Yeah, we would always budget 85,000 for a brand new teacher.

1288
01:39:30,380 --> 01:39:31,820
Well, of course, if you're a lower base,

1289
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:34,040
the fringe is not gonna change,

1290
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,240
so it's a part of the percentage of the base.

1291
01:39:36,540 --> 01:39:38,800
Right, you know, like Paris.

1292
01:39:39,140 --> 01:39:39,300
Yeah.

1293
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,680
Because the cost of the benefit is...

1294
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:48,580
Benefits are more in ratio higher salary, that's why when we hire somebody that says I'm not taking the benefit

1295
01:39:48,580 --> 01:39:53,420
It's a home run. I mean somebody said I'm not taking the benefits like somebody

1296
01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:57,140
Yeah, we'll we'll have a board member say well, why are you paying that person?

1297
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:01,480
130,000 dollars. Well, they're not taking the benefits. Yeah

1298
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:08,920
It if they want 10 20,000 even 15,000 more in salary, but without benefits here you go

1299
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:14,220
Yeah, it's a fraction of what it would really cost my God. Yes. And when I say the fruit of this

1300
01:40:14,220 --> 01:40:20,180
discussion is very valuable, I think, for the long term, because really looking when we when we

1301
01:40:20,180 --> 01:40:29,040
talk about FTE impact, we need to be for teachers. We need to be using 125,000, not 80 to 100 like we

1302
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:36,140
have been for years. That's what I mean. And does you have to remember that you're not going to get

1303
01:40:36,140 --> 01:40:40,780
all rooms. Right. You run out of rookies at a certain. No, you have to budget conservative.

1304
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:45,080
Because when you're on this side of this school, I mean, this is, this is what you're

1305
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:51,120
seeing based on our recent higher. Yes. Yes. We hired all our, our actual numbers. We hired

1306
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,440
all our interns that we know more. Plus then what are you going to tell a principal? You

1307
01:40:55,440 --> 01:41:00,600
have five candidates. You just interview. You have to choose the cheapest one. Yeah. I mean

1308
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:07,160
there's that used to be part of the dialogue here yeah it did 100% it was then it then not only are

1309
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,880
you making decisions that directly impact you but now I understand why I was part of the dialogue

1310
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:17,880
because we were using the wrong numbers and and truly if you want the true cost you also have

1311
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:23,540
I know you guys don't typically include it but we've spent 50,000 in news for the new sections

1312
01:41:24,380 --> 01:41:30,100
in opening them with purchases supplies materials books what have you so far yeah right

1313
01:41:30,100 --> 01:41:33,800
And that's just a curriculum by the instructional division.

1314
01:41:33,980 --> 01:41:37,280
That doesn't include other ancillary class that

1315
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:41,240
in school have to absorb like UX tables and shares.

1316
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,220
Don't need to use these things up.

1317
01:41:44,420 --> 01:41:44,880
That's right.

1318
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,920
Because now you have more teachers that are going to be

1319
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:47,520
at or something.

1320
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,020
Yeah, but that would be a hypothetical.

1321
01:41:49,020 --> 01:41:49,920
So I can't.

1322
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:54,520
But desk tables, chairs, all the curriculum materials here.

1323
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,700
How much 50K 50K just in the curriculum?

1324
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:03,940
Yeah, so about 10,000 in classroom and curriculum materials it for an elementary class curriculum.

1325
01:42:04,140 --> 01:42:06,080
Curriculum materials, what about desk tables and chairs?

1326
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:08,220
We would.

1327
01:42:08,340 --> 01:42:08,760
Yeah, we would.

1328
01:42:08,780 --> 01:42:09,420
We would.

1329
01:42:09,740 --> 01:42:09,960
Those.

1330
01:42:11,860 --> 01:42:13,860
I remember on but we should have.

1331
01:42:14,340 --> 01:42:18,240
Stuff and storage for that because we have the number of classrooms and what we have F any.

1332
01:42:18,500 --> 01:42:19,460
A building originally.

1333
01:42:19,740 --> 01:42:22,620
Yeah, we buy for it that if we don't need it, you put it in central storage.

1334
01:42:23,100 --> 01:42:23,900
So we should.

1335
01:42:24,020 --> 01:42:26,380
There might be a class to move in but we should have the.

1336
01:42:26,380 --> 01:42:28,180
There should be a new purchase.

1337
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,240
The seats we should have, the tables we should have,

1338
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,760
but the curriculum materials is big.

1339
01:42:34,900 --> 01:42:36,200
That's something that we don't ever talk about.

1340
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:38,280
So that's another 10 grand per classroom.

1341
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:40,500
So is it better to refer to it as 10K?

1342
01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:41,840
Okay.

1343
01:42:42,860 --> 01:42:44,080
10K per classroom.

1344
01:42:47,100 --> 01:42:50,800
There's, I mean, cross money on the top of the fact that

1345
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,520
yeah, and it's okay because most people

1346
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,640
aren't going to realize that because why would they?

1347
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:59,380
Yeah, it's not their fault. Oh, I completely agree. Yeah, that's not I mean, but this is good.

1348
01:42:59,500 --> 01:43:05,300
This is why we have this committee to dive deeper into this. And this is also I want September 8th

1349
01:43:05,300 --> 01:43:08,340
to be we're going to have a lot, at least I hope

1350
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:13,100
certainly one community is going to be paying very close attention on September 8th. Yeah,

1351
01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:18,980
the board will be full in. I want this to be a very comprehensive conversation. But it also factual.

1352
01:43:18,980 --> 01:43:48,260
But I will come only to try and jade anyone one way or other. We're putting facts. That's the purpose of these two committees is to put the facts forward and let them tell the story and then base decisions on the facts. Right. And you can people may still want to absolutely with changing the policy if it means X. Yeah. That's their right. And if 17 FTE is something that the majority of the board votes for, then whoever's the chair is going to have that argument to make to the other town boards.

1353
01:43:48,260 --> 01:43:52,960
I mean, I can't at least for next year, but we would the budget for it accordingly, right?

1354
01:43:54,760 --> 01:44:00,940
So because we're already going to have to budget for more than we're projected, which we always do because the projections are always

1355
01:44:00,940 --> 01:44:01,780
slightly low.

1356
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:09,060
All right, so it's going to be more complicated. Well next year we're going to have a difficult time, too, because we're not going to be able to.

1357
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:15,180
There's no waivers for kindergarten, either. Right. So I'm going to

1358
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:16,760
Well, we'll go appeal process.

1359
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:17,860
No, there's no waivers.

1360
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:19,940
It's a hard date to start kindergarten.

1361
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,420
So with that, we'll have to kind of take the average

1362
01:44:23,420 --> 01:44:28,820
of how many waiver kids we took and try to deduct that.

1363
01:44:28,980 --> 01:44:31,160
And hopefully we can't do it based on the actuals

1364
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:32,960
of the ages of the kids we have.

1365
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,680
Well, we don't know who's coming from somewhere else

1366
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:37,480
and where they're coming from.

1367
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:40,080
We know who's in our pre-case.

1368
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:40,820
We don't know.

1369
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:41,560
Yeah, I don't know.

1370
01:44:41,660 --> 01:44:43,000
I mean, our actual kindergarteners.

1371
01:44:43,260 --> 01:44:44,480
They're going to be going in the first grade.

1372
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:47,860
are going in the first place. He's talking about the kindergarten, the new kindergartners.

1373
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:49,020
We may have more.

1374
01:44:49,620 --> 01:44:54,200
But I guess my point is less, less, less, no, we'll have less because they, they, we,

1375
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:59,680
all the ones who waived in say there was 60 waivers we granted. There's none of those coming.

1376
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,300
There won't be anybody grant you. So we'll have less kindergarten. So 16th, but we won't know where. Yeah. Oh, yeah, by building. Yeah.

1377
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:32,210
So what you're saying is the number on the projection for next year for kindergarten should be closer than it was this year because of that. Hopefully, I mean, we're going to need a year to see where the projections based on age five. I don't think so. I don't know how I can't. I don't know how Mike and Pat did the projections.

1378
01:45:32,210 --> 01:45:37,890
But I'm sure they built in a little bit of a buffer of do we do a one-year update every year?

1379
01:45:38,030 --> 01:45:45,230
Yeah, Nick and I were up for that. I can't remember for the budget book for next year. Well, we get and will we get an updated project?

1380
01:45:45,670 --> 01:45:52,450
Yeah, project contract with I'll see if there was okay. See, I wasn't sure. I thought we took the last presentation.

1381
01:45:52,670 --> 01:46:00,810
Yeah, that's what we keep using. Okay, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. That's going to be having impacts unknown impact.

1382
01:46:00,810 --> 01:46:09,010
We're going to need a year to see how it's, or two to see what then the average number of kindergartners we have based on no more waivers.

1383
01:46:09,550 --> 01:46:09,670
Okay.

1384
01:46:11,010 --> 01:46:19,210
Well, it should really only be a one year dip because all the kids who couldn't wave in are then part of the next year's kindergarten class.

1385
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:20,270
So that's where I've kind of read.

1386
01:46:20,290 --> 01:46:22,170
Right. So we'll have to see what that next year.

1387
01:46:22,350 --> 01:46:22,470
Yeah.

1388
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:22,870
Yeah.

1389
01:46:23,710 --> 01:46:24,530
It'll be a correction.

1390
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:24,990
It'll be a correction.

1391
01:46:25,110 --> 01:46:25,630
Yeah, it's a correction.

1392
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:25,930
Yeah.

1393
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:26,530
All right.

1394
01:46:26,610 --> 01:46:27,090
Anything else?

1395
01:46:27,290 --> 01:46:28,190
I'm not a class.

1396
01:46:29,070 --> 01:46:32,490
I'll get the September one data from.

1397
01:46:32,610 --> 01:46:35,270
I'll probably try to make the framework of the memo in advance.

1398
01:46:35,810 --> 01:46:37,990
So everyone sees where I'm going to plug the numbers in.

1399
01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:42,410
Michael, get me the September one data for purposes of having it be.

1400
01:46:43,150 --> 01:46:44,350
Here's day one opening.

1401
01:46:44,490 --> 01:46:45,330
This is what we have.

1402
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:51,610
And then I will turn that right around and get that out to everybody just because I don't.

1403
01:46:51,610 --> 01:46:55,710
So I don't want to f anything up on that, I want to make sure that it's factually accurate.

1404
01:46:56,510 --> 01:47:01,730
The question is, I'm creating it, but who should the memo be from for purpose of the

1405
01:47:01,730 --> 01:47:02,110
packet?

1406
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:03,670
Is it the finance committee?

1407
01:47:05,470 --> 01:47:07,910
Is it Gracie as chair?

1408
01:47:09,610 --> 01:47:12,930
You know, she would obviously, I should be seeing proofreading it too, so to sign off.

1409
01:47:13,130 --> 01:47:14,830
But who should it be from?

1410
01:47:16,450 --> 01:47:17,750
Or it could just be an enclosure.

1411
01:47:19,390 --> 01:47:22,790
I don't think we can say it can be from the Finance Committee because we won't be able

1412
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:23,390
to meet on it.

1413
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:23,630
Yeah.

1414
01:47:25,450 --> 01:47:29,710
So it could, it could just be from the chair as an enclosure.

1415
01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:30,170
Okay.

1416
01:47:30,570 --> 01:47:31,610
I think that would be the best.

1417
01:47:32,750 --> 01:47:33,150
Well,

1418
01:47:36,190 --> 01:47:40,550
I think it should come from, maybe come from you because it can't be fruit of the

1419
01:47:40,550 --> 01:47:44,690
Finance Committee if we haven't discussed it, but we can't discuss it.

1420
01:47:44,690 --> 01:47:44,890
Okay.

1421
01:47:44,890 --> 01:47:45,710
We'll discuss it.

1422
01:47:45,790 --> 01:47:46,130
It's a meeting.

1423
01:47:46,290 --> 01:47:46,550
Yeah.

1424
01:47:47,170 --> 01:47:53,890
I think it has to come in the board chair and it just as an informational memo to go along with, you know,

1425
01:47:54,730 --> 01:47:57,450
It's what we said we were going to have discussed there. So

1426
01:47:58,550 --> 01:48:06,470
Okay, I would say as right now there's two of us. So we have a quorum as acting finance committee chair

1427
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:11,850
I charge you. Thank you to provide that information on behalf of the committee. Okay

1428
01:48:28,100 --> 01:48:28,580
Okay

1429
01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:28,620
Okay.

1430
01:48:29,420 --> 01:48:29,860
All right.

1431
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:31,180
Open committee comment.

1432
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:32,520
Any open committee comment?

1433
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:33,740
One comment.

1434
01:48:33,900 --> 01:48:34,040
Yep.

1435
01:48:34,980 --> 01:48:41,020
For the next meeting, the one thing I'm concerned about is how the budget book is going

1436
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:41,420
to look.

1437
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:45,420
I can't remember if this is normally what gets talked about there or not.

1438
01:48:45,860 --> 01:48:51,020
But I would be hoping we can see like some mock-ups.

1439
01:48:51,380 --> 01:48:52,520
Oh, because there's going to be changes.

1440
01:48:52,780 --> 01:48:54,200
It's going to be because of state statute.

1441
01:48:54,500 --> 01:48:54,700
Correct.

1442
01:48:55,060 --> 01:48:58,520
And not only because of state statute, but one thing I know Mike referenced was that,

1443
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:02,220
Paris are going to be reflected very differently.

1444
01:49:02,820 --> 01:49:07,100
Yeah, we want to try to separate out Paris a little differently when it comes to regular

1445
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:07,920
and especially.

1446
01:49:08,300 --> 01:49:08,440
Right.

1447
01:49:08,740 --> 01:49:08,900
All right.

1448
01:49:08,940 --> 01:49:09,800
The sample pages?

1449
01:49:10,440 --> 01:49:15,680
The sample pages, but that will involve some behind-the-scenes conversation because the

1450
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:21,020
more we can get that out in November and have a board presentation on it, either the end

1451
01:49:21,020 --> 01:49:25,100
of November or December, it's going to take a lot of the January questions.

1452
01:49:25,900 --> 01:49:26,300
Wait a minute.

1453
01:49:26,300 --> 01:49:31,060
You know, why is this zeroed out on this line and why is it added here kind of thing?

1454
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:35,660
So if we could have that for the finance committee, so we can-

1455
01:49:35,660 --> 01:49:36,860
For November 4th?

1456
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:37,320
Yes.

1457
01:49:38,780 --> 01:49:43,420
So that, again, if that works, you know, and if more gets added to it because we ask questions,

1458
01:49:43,580 --> 01:49:47,240
but I just, I knew Paris were being done differently and I know the pages are going to look different.

1459
01:49:47,620 --> 01:49:55,080
And I would like to have that- I will suggest to whoever the chair is that it be either late

1460
01:49:55,080 --> 01:50:00,940
November or December presentation to the board on here's what to expect the

1461
01:50:00,940 --> 01:50:04,560
budget book will look like and hear some other things that are done. I'm meeting

1462
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:09,000
where Rob and Lisa Bennett this afternoon on the Paris because they've been

1463
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,880
working on this they want to present their plan. If anything changes with that I'll

1464
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,660
let you know you know it's and this is purely as in the information as it appears

1465
01:50:16,660 --> 01:50:21,340
in the budget book if this is solely so that again because whenever we zero out

1466
01:50:21,340 --> 01:50:25,540
account because we're redoing where we place it in the budget book. There's always, wait a minute,

1467
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:30,920
why aren't we doing this anymore? And I just think I'm not saying it's going to hold off any

1468
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:35,500
questions in January, but hopefully it could take care of a lot of them. And I know Terry and

1469
01:50:35,500 --> 01:50:40,260
Frank have some insight on how they would like to maybe see some things reported out in the budget

1470
01:50:40,260 --> 01:50:46,700
book a little differently as well. Does it make sense? Yeah, so is that reasonable? Yeah.

1471
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:51,660
For November to kind of have a preview of what the at least like the template will look like?

1472
01:50:51,660 --> 01:50:58,240
I mean, it would just, you know, the numbers in there obviously wouldn't be oh, I don't want any numbers

1473
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,780
This is we're talking about like what the headings are and any

1474
01:51:02,420 --> 01:51:06,700
We're changing the accounting line that this is on. Yeah, it's gonna be zero dot here

1475
01:51:06,700 --> 01:51:13,080
But look, it's not that we zeroed it out. It's just that it now appears here. So I don't think we need any numbers

1476
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:17,940
It's just you have that you would start you would be starting budget bill in November, right?

1477
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:25,700
Okay, so you'll have the you'll have what she's saying because you'll be inputting it. We just won't be looking at the numbers

1478
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:34,560
Like my for example gift did at the I don't what I don't want to do now. They're sharing

1479
01:51:35,160 --> 01:51:36,400
Bring us to a separate

1480
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,000
We are changing what we're looking at and I'm just trying to if that's too soon

1481
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,100
I'm not looking to have this be a discussion

1482
01:51:44,500 --> 01:51:50,360
I think we could just just the discussion of how are we going to be reading it in January.

1483
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:55,180
So here's what I would say. The plan will be for them to bring it to the November 4th.

1484
01:51:55,200 --> 01:52:02,160
If it's not ready by then, then the committee can schedule a special meeting to do work on just that.

1485
01:52:02,420 --> 01:52:03,220
Okay. That's fine.

1486
01:52:04,100 --> 01:52:11,860
Okay. Now, can I check and if it hasn't been done, cancel the September 2nd meeting,

1487
01:52:11,860 --> 01:52:14,480
Do we know if that's been cancelled?

1488
01:52:15,140 --> 01:52:15,940
I do not know.

1489
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:17,160
It has been.

1490
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:24,380
So today's meeting, you know, obviously, I don't have it on my calendar, so nothing's been done.

1491
01:52:24,540 --> 01:52:24,660
Yeah.

1492
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,740
It got moved on the calendar from September 2nd.

1493
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:27,960
Okay.

1494
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:29,940
I just want to make sure the town was notified.

1495
01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:31,600
I wouldn't assume that.

1496
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:35,360
And that are board of ed 20 or pilot pick.

1497
01:52:35,940 --> 01:52:36,320
Hold on.

1498
01:52:36,500 --> 01:52:37,280
I'm looking at the wrong thing.

1499
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:41,300
Our budget meeting dates, finance meeting dates.

1500
01:52:41,860 --> 01:52:46,960
I think what's posted online, they should be crossed the cross that out for September

1501
01:52:48,660 --> 01:52:49,100
2nd.

1502
01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:55,440
Yeah, I already deleted it off my calendar, but I just I don't know if it was officially

1503
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:55,820
done.

1504
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,540
I don't need traces not here to confirm.

1505
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,800
So I don't know because I could make said she know that.

1506
01:53:02,540 --> 01:53:07,400
And Meg asked me about it, but I didn't consider that an official notification, so I don't know

1507
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:08,700
if she acted on it or not.

1508
01:53:08,700 --> 01:53:11,960
Okay, I think she said Frank at Astor.

1509
01:53:16,090 --> 01:53:18,970
There is no public comment because there's no public present.

1510
01:53:21,800 --> 01:53:26,320
Anything else, Jeff? Nope. Anything else, Terry, Frank? My motion to adjourn. I'll make it.

1511
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:31,280
Second. Okay. 2L. 1129.

1512
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:34,700
1129.

1513
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:42,620
Do you want to help me? Oh, I'm using it.