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» Thank you, city clerk. You are seated at

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the city council special meeting of

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October 6, 2026. This is also Bayance

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public hearing number three. Calling the

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meeting to order at 5:33 p.m. Would you

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join me in the pledge of allegiance,

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please?

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» Allegiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» City clerk, roll call, please. Council

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member Davis

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» Here.

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» Council member Kern

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» Here.

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» Council member Lent

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» Here.

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» Council member Okonnell

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» Here.

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» And Mayor Mackin

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» I am here.

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» Can I get a first and second to adopt

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the agenda as it stands, please?

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» So moved.

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» Second.

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» All in favor?

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» No one opposed.

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» Motion carries.

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This is a continuation of the public

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hearing series. So, we don't need to

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open a public hearing.

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And we welcome the public to comment or

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ask questions during tonight's hearing.

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Please, please, please, you must fill

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out a form. They're on the chairs. You

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can also get one from our city clerk.

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Speakers will have four minutes for each

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topic. There's a timer on the screen

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that you can use for reference as you

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speak. And I will add, it's extremely

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important for speakers to stay on topic.

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If you don't stay on topic, I will stop

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you. We've had some meandering and I've

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kind of let everybody meander, but

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please, please try to stay on topic.

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Um, if a speaker continues to ignore the

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rules, you'll be warned. You may be

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precluded from speaking on any other

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items tonight. So, internally, the

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council, we've had some feedback and

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from the public about the two public

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hearings to date. We're always trying to

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make things better. And I'd like to have

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a short discussion about the meetings.

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And I'd like to start about the meeting

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schedule. I'll call on each council

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member. I'd like to hear your feedback

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on how this is going for you, whether

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the schedule works. Um any feedback that

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you have, I think would be helpful.

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Starting with council member Kern.

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» Schedule is acceptable to me. No other

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feedback at this time.

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» Okay. Mayor Pro Tim Davis.

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I definitely think it's been a heavy

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lift to have the intensity of meetings

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that we've had. For example, we had a

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week where we had a hearing on a

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Thursday, and then another hearing on

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Tuesday. Um, and so it's it's not much

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time in between to prepare and read the

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level of documents that we need to read.

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Um, that being said, you know, I'm

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cognizant of the fact that we want to

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get this adopted and come into

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compliance with what HCD expects of us

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so we can get our housing element

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reertified. So, um I'm really immuneable

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to

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grinding and getting it done. Um so I

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see a I see challenges to I see

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challenges with the current schedule,

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but I also see challenges in slowing

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things down and and the ramifications

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that that could have. So,

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» Okay, Council Member Lent.

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» Yeah. Uh thank you, Madam Mayor. So, um,

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yeah, I agree with you, Madison. Uh,

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that one week where we had a a hearing

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on a Tuesday and then a council meeting

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on Thursday was pretty rough. Um,

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there's also other meetings that we

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have. And, you know, when you add it all

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up, uh, it makes it difficult to, uh, be

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at your best, right, to provide the

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quality to the community. Uh but there's

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also uh the community being able to

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participate and there's a lot of

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information in these documents to read.

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Uh people do their their research

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outside of what's in these documents.

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I [clears throat] mean these uh these

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are public hearings. They are called a

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public hearing for a reason. So, um,

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you know, I would like for us to space

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the meetings a a little bit better. I

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know that, uh, the next hearing is on

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the 15th and then we come back, uh, on

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the 19th and I would prefer maybe not

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have that meeting on the 19th. Maybe

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make it uh, if we can later in the week

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just so that we have more time. I think

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if we're continuing to make progress,

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uh that we're respecting the process

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that uh if we finish sometime in the

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near future that we will be okay. Uh in

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regards to HCD,

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» Council Member Okonnell,

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» I'm happy with the schedule as it is and

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I've cleared my schedule to make room

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for it.

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Okay. Thank you.

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So, I'm going to point out just a couple

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facts because I I get the emails and

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phone calls from everybody. I'm the

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complaint department.

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From October 6th to the 15th meeting was

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8 days. If you take away two weekends,

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it was six days between meetings. From

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the 15th to the 20th, it's I'm sorry,

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it's the 20th, not the 19th.

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» Oh, I'm sorry.

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» Is four days.

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Take away the weekend, those meetings

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are two days apart.

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From the 20th to the 26th is 5 days.

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Take away the two weekend days, it's

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three days between those public

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between the 26th and the November 9th,

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13 days. But the reality with the two

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days on the weekend is nine business

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days. I'm very concerned about my

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capacity. capacity of staff. I really

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have a great deal of respect for all my

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colleagues going, "Yeah, let's let's go

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for it." But I'm also concerned about

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public participation. Are you really all

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going to show up every three, four, five

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days?

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months. So, my capacity be to be on top

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of material and be prepared for this

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these meetings is diminishing.

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I don't think that that's a good

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participation.

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And so, um, I don't know, maybe we

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should also hear from staff. Um,

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I I think on some of these having two

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days or three days between meetings is

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unacceptable. I I do not expect the

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public to show up that where they're

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coming every week. Three days. Oh, I

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need to go to that public hearing. And I

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want all of you here. This is your

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community. This is your plan. This is

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your future. And we want to make it

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right. And I don't even see how the

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property owners, agents here can prepare

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where they're asked questions and they

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have to come back with some research and

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some answers. We all want to make this

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something that we can be proud of.

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So that's my two cents. Any comments?

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staff comments.

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City manager,

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» Thank you. Um, what I've gleaned from

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the conversation this evening is as we

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continue to move forward, there may be

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some opportunities to do some late um

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movement of of uh meetings particularly

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later in the year that excuse me later

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in the month. Um, so that doesn't affect

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um so so we don't have meetings four or

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five days apart. So we'll take a look at

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that. That that's what I've understood

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tonight. Thank you.

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The other topic is the duration of the

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meetings. And I've heard an earful on

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this. So part of our our gung-ho gusto

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of the council and the staff is by God,

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if we're here till midnight, we need to

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do it. And then I get the speaker slips

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and [clears throat] people are sitting

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here till 9, 9:30, 10 pm and then I see

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people just leaving in disgust because

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they filled out, they sat here all

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night, they never got a chance to talk.

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So, do we really want to keep going till

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10:00 at night and keep extending the

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meeting or do we want to set a hard stop

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and just say we get done what we get

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done? Because also what the public

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doesn't realize is sometimes the council

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has a short meeting before this. So

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we're here for five, six hours straight.

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By the time it hits 9:00, we're really

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toast. It's hard. It's very, very hard.

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Not to mention all the hours you had the

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day days before, two, three days between

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the meetings and I've had lots of 400

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a.m. nights getting up the next morning,

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too. So what about the timing? Council

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member Kern, duration of the meeting.

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What time would you stop the meeting?

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» Please rotate your questions. Thank you.

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» Rotate the questions.

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» Be first.

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» Oh, you don't want to be first. Okay.

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» Rotate the questions, please. Thank you,

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Madam Mayor.

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» Council member Okonnell.

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» For me, it really depends on the subject

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and how involved the community is and

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whether we're reaching breaking point

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when we've had, you know, a two-hour

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meeting before. Um, but I'm

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happy to try to stay within the time

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frame and try to limit the amount of

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intercourse that we have on the dis and

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with staff and try to be as mindful as

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we can of the time.

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» So when you say stay the course, what

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does that mean in terms of how late we

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go?

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I think it really depends on the evening

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and how the a how involved the audience

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still is and how involved we can be. I'm

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not going to say 9:00 and we're done no

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matter what. I think that sometimes it

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is imperative that we keep going with

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the conversation. So, I would rather try

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to stop on time, but if warranted, I

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don't mind extending the meeting a

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little bit.

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» Okay. Council member Lent.

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» Yeah, I know. I I feel the same way. Um

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if we can keep the meeting within that

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three-hour window that we put out to the

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public, I think that's ideal. I think we

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should be mindful of that. But as you

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were saying, Council Member Okonnell,

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you know, you get into the the heat of

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the matter, you know, you're on a roll.

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you don't want to cut something off and

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then have to finish um at the next

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meeting. So extending the meeting for a

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little bit is fine. Extending the

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meeting say you know over an hour to two

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hours I think that is uh excessive and

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and we should not do that.

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» So if I may ask you for a clarification

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you said three-hour window that's 8:30.

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That's it is 8:30 and that's what um

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that's what we public publicize is a

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three-hour meeting. Um obviously it's

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the council's pleasure to extend the

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meeting and we and we've done it, you

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know, many times. Uh and I think when

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it's appropriate, we should extend it,

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but not extend it because we can and and

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have it be um longer than than what the

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public is anticipating.

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» Okay.

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Mayor Prom.

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» Um, [clears throat] well, I, you know,

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we intentionally start started the

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meetings at 5:30 knowing that they would

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probably take more than 3 hours. We

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always publish a meeting as being 3

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hours. That's always our intention with

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council meetings, too. Um, I think it's

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perfectly fine to go till 9 or 9:30. We

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used to have our council meeting start

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at 7:30 and we would go to 9:30 like no

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problem. Um, but I I am cognizant of the

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fact that there are people here that

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want to speak and they, you know, last

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time they waited several hours. So, I'm

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immunable to letting the public go first

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and ask questions if there are questions

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that they have right off the bat. Um, I

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think that's fine. And but I know some

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people really they are inspired with

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questions based on the exchange that

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council has with staff. So

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there's, you know, you would be getting

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less of that. Um, but

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this conversation alone is probably

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taking us 20 minutes of this meeting.

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So, um, I I wouldn't I I don't think

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that we need to say right now that

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there's a hard and fast rule on how long

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it takes. I think it's really imperative

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that we move through this material at a

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steady pace. And there is a challenge to

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balance you know the the intensity of

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the material and you know the time frame

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that we have to really um get this

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finished. So I'm you know I'm aware that

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there are constraints there but think we

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just need to get it moving.

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» Okay. And I will point out that this

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conversation was requested by the

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council for tonight.

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So if it's 20 minutes or 30 minutes, you

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requested it. That's why we're doing it.

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Council member Kern,

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» It's only 18 minutes. Um, thank you.

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» I feel that we have a a tremendous task

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in front of us in a large body of work

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and it has been chunked out in fairly

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reasonable chunks. I agree these are big

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chunks. I think we need to stop once we

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delivered a product instead of carrying

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something in part to the next meeting.

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carry it in a hole to the next meeting

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because we're having people join us from

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the public believing that they're going

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to be participating on a particular

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topic. Um, so you know like the last

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meeting we're carrying over some

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questions and we already got some

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questions and I think that that just

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sort of muddies the water. So I think

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clean breaks are very important

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topically speaking. Thank you.

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» Yeah, I would agree with you council

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member Karns. So, um I think from my

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point of view when we hit 9:30 as a

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regular council meeting, that's that's

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kind of about where we start seeing the

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exit door opening up and people leaving

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because I know some of you you get up at

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5 6 7 a.m. You may have to go to work.

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It's it's tough.

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All right, so

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you have all their email addresses and

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the city manager, please send your

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comments.

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We've also had numerous requests from

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the public to have an opportunity to

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speak in general about the bailance

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public hearings. And since we don't have

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an oral communications on the agenda for

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these hearings, I'm going to allow some

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general comments before we start this

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meeting. Please fill out a speaker card,

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hand it to the city clerk in order to be

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recognized. These are not dealing with

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tonight's topic, just in general. Anyone

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have general comments?

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Clark.

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» Thank you, Madam Mayor, City Council.

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Kind of weird being on this side of the

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DAS, actually. You know, I I found uh

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through the years I'm a better listener

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than I am a speaker. So, I wrote down

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what I want to talk about.

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So when I served on this council, I

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often felt that when it came to the bay

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lands that there was a gun to our head.

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There was enormous pressure to reach an

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agreement [snorts] in Madison. You'll

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remember uh in uh former Senator Jerry's

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Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill

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Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills

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Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill

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Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills

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Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill

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Hills Hill Hills Hill Hills Hill's

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office that you and I were there and it

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was very short of chair throwing and uh

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that was due to a draft of threat of a

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draft legislation

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uh pressure for development and uh there

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were very real concerns there about what

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could happen if Brisbane did not find

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its own path forward. Measure JJ was

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negotiated in that atmosphere. It was

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accepted by those state legislators

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who threatened us with the draft

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legislation. And you know who they are.

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It was the Senator Jerry Hill, uh,

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Senator, uh, Scott Weiner, and, uh, our

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own, uh, uh, the now city attorney of

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San Francisco, David Chu, and Phil Ting,

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and Kevin Mullen, our now

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congressperson.

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» So,

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» Yeah,

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» Can you Yeah. Can you move closer to the

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mic? They're having trouble hearing you.

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Can you hear it? Okay. Now,

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» Is that good?

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» Okay. All right. Uh,

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anyway, but whatever pressures existed

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in measure JJ became something much more

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important. It became our promise to the

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people of Brisbane. We asked our

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residents to accept housing on the

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bayands. And we told them what

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protections would accompany accompany

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that development. And the voters trusted

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us. They approved measure JJ and that

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vote matters. I'm not here tonight to

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undo it and I'm not asking the council

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to reconsider whether there should be

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housing on the bayands. The voters made

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that decision and measure JJ and its

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housing provisions are now the law in

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Brisbane. But the rest of Measure JJ

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matters just as much. The housing was

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not just the only promise we made. We

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promised that the site would be fully

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remediated and safe, especially for the

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housing and that no soil would be moved

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without testing to the city standards.

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We promised a reliable water supply uh

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would be secured before development and

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the city would prohibit use of our

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limited water, which is about 1 million

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gallons a day. And I'm pretty sure that

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that's all used up with the uh recent uh

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development of Sierra Point. We promised

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uh enforcable schedules for landfill

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closure with real consequences if those

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schedules were not met and financial

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guarantees if they were delayed or

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stopped. We promised energy neutral

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sustainable development as a beacon of

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what the future can be. We promised that

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the development would provide a net

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fiscal benefit to Brisbane every year.

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And we promised a specific plan for the

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entire bays that would put those

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protections into effect.

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And I'll give this to the city clerk

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when I'm done. [clears throat]

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Those were not side issues. Those were

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just part of a bargain we presented to

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the voters. and along with myself and

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three of you who are currently there.

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And madame mayor, you were on the uh

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planning commission and former mayor um

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Karen Cunningham was city council at the

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time.

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Looking at this plan, I do not see those

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answer those questions answered in a way

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that gives me the confidence that all of

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measure JJ is being implemented. Too

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many important matters appear to remain

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unresolved,

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deferred to later agreements, later

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studies, later financing plans, or later

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decisions. The meeting schedule, which

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I'm glad that you talked about at the

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beginning, but the meeting schedule that

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you currently have seems too aggressive

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to adequately address these issues. I

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know the pressures facing this council

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are substantial.

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I remember those pressures very well.

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But Measure JJ should not be viewed as

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an obstacle that the city needs to work

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around. Measure JJ should be the city's

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road map. Before approving this specific

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plan, I asked you to take our questions

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and the public questions and answer each

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one clearly. If those answers are not in

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the plan today, put them in there before

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you approve it. The voters kept their

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part of the bargain. Now it is our

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responsibility to keep ours and most

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importantly show us our choices.

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The EIR analy analyzes seven

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alternatives. Yet most of what the

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public has been formally presented is

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the plan staff recommends. There should

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be a presentation of all seven

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alternatives set forth in the EIR. There

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are real choices there. Staff

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recommended the EIR alternative plan

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that has 2200 homes and 6.5 million

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square ft of commercial, but the public

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should be presented with all seven

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alternatives, especially number seven

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with its reduced density and lower

547
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maximum building heights. Alternative 7

548
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:48,559
is found by the EIR to be

549
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:51,600
environmentally superior alternative.

550
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:54,320
It is 400 fewer homes and 200 million

551
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,679
square ft less of commercial and eight

552
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:01,279
stories residential instead of 20 to

553
00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:04,320
22tory towers. Remember the Geneva

554
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:06,400
towers Icler wonder

555
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,799
it's what it reminds me of. Okay, those

556
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,120
are very different visions of Brisbane.

557
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:13,840
I'm not standing here to say which one

558
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:16,799
is right. I'm standing I'm saying show

559
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:20,080
all seven alternatives fully to you the

560
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:22,559
council and to the public. This is about

561
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,720
the future of Brisbane. Then as we move

562
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:27,440
forward, we still have to keep the

563
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:30,080
promises under JJ. A reliable water

564
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,159
supply, not using our Brisbane water,

565
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,720
final landfill closure and

566
00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:38,320
responsibility, adherence to our

567
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,720
sustainability framework, phased and

568
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:44,640
required infrastructure that keeps pace

569
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:47,760
with development, financial protections,

570
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:50,000
and the city and its current and future

571
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,320
residents.

572
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:56,240
and clear accountability so Brisbane is

573
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,320
never left holding the bag.

574
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,960
They are intended to make sure that when

575
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,240
development comes, we build the Brisbane

576
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,989
we promised our voters we would build. I

577
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,559
know the pressure you are under.

578
00:28:05,989 --> 00:28:09,039
[laughter]

579
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:11,279
I' I've really felt it and I know you're

580
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:13,039
feeling it now. But when we faced

581
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:16,080
pressure before, we trusted the people

582
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:18,240
of Brisbane and we put measure JJ before

583
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,159
them. They understood the difficult

584
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,960
choices and together we found a way

585
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:24,480
forward that was accepted by our

586
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,960
legislators.

587
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,880
We can do that again. Share this

588
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,919
decision with the community. Uphold

589
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Measure JJ. Show Brisbane the choices.

590
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:36,320
Trust the community to be part of the

591
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,559
solution. We found a way forward

592
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:41,520
together once and I believe we can and

593
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:43,979
will do it together again. Thank you

594
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,720
very much for allowing me to speak.

595
00:28:43,979 --> 00:28:47,720
[applause]

596
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,720
Anybody

597
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,000
else? General comments. Karen

598
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,000
Cunningham.

599
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:58,640
» Karen Cunningham and Dan next.

600
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,799
» Good evening, Madame Mayor and uh city

601
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,120
council and everybody who's here,

602
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:05,120
especially our residents.

603
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,120
Um

604
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,440
quick question for y'all. I have a bunch

605
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,000
of questions from last week that we

606
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,159
didn't get to because it was 10:00 and I

607
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,320
had to fall over and leave. So, what do

608
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:18,399
I do with those questions? That's my

609
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Just think about that for a sec. Anyway,

610
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:22,720
I

611
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,399
thank you, Clark, for what you said. Um,

612
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:27,210
that was part of what I was going to

613
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:28,480
speak with you about last week.

614
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:31,760
[clears throat] I was on the planning

615
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:35,679
commission when the turbulent times of

616
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Measure JJ first arrived on the scene. I

617
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:39,360
was dragged off the planning commission

618
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,279
right after being voted before I was

619
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:46,000
even put on the dis and taken into those

620
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:48,640
close session meetings. To say this was

621
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,240
turbulent times in Brisbane is an

622
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,919
understatement of epic proportions. This

623
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,559
was one of the most painful things I've

624
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:59,279
ever had to witness and be part of in my

625
00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:00,960
entire life. So to think that we are up

626
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,890
against some more obstacles at this

627
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,200
point is an understatement. Um

628
00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:06,960
[clears throat]

629
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,240
however

630
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:14,080
um the people did

631
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:17,600
agree to vote on measure JJ based on the

632
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:21,679
promises that we made them. And what we

633
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:25,520
need to do is we need to act swiftly

634
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:27,840
but with the precision of a brain

635
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,520
surgeon to get through this and to get

636
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,480
through it in the way that the people of

637
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,640
Brisbane voted for. The goal is pretty

638
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,039
simple. A stronger specific plan says

639
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,679
that what it means and means what it

640
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,679
says. And we need to faithfully carry

641
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:44,559
Measure JJ forward. We need to

642
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:47,919
strengthen the specific plan, close the

643
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:51,039
gaps, remove the ambiguities, and make

644
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:53,679
sure that there are no holes in any

645
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:56,240
protections that the voters

646
00:30:53,679 --> 00:31:00,159
adopted in Measure JJ.

647
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,159
Um, the rest of it is things that

648
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:03,760
I didn't get to say last week, so we'll

649
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:07,120
figure out when I can probably say

650
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,360
those. And just just want to say none of

651
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,440
this was aspirational. I see that

652
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,799
written down and it makes me absolutely

653
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,279
crazy. None of it was aspirational. This

654
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:19,279
was very prescriptive. The people spoke

655
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:21,520
and they said what they wanted and we

656
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:24,240
need to deliver that. Thank you.

657
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,600
» Thank you. Uh, city clerk, I didn't

658
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,480
catch who was the other one.

659
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,840
» We have Dan, Michelle Sammon,

660
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,960
» Glenn or Dan.

661
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,440
» Dan. Dan.

662
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,080
» Okay.

663
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,360
» Michelle Sammon, Michael Barnes, and

664
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,720
then Linda Salmon.

665
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,720
» Okay. Dan.

666
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:46,880
» Hello. Thanks for letting me come speak.

667
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,720
Um, my name is Dan Griffiths. I'm a

668
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:53,679
resident of Brisbane. I've lived here

669
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:55,519
about three years. I also um run a

670
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:58,320
theater [clears throat] just over the

671
00:31:55,519 --> 00:32:04,120
line in San Francisco across from the

672
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Baylands project site. Um

673
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,480
I'm supportive of developing this part

674
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,679
of the city. I think it's a great idea.

675
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,760
I know it has a lot of um clunky things

676
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:19,200
that have to be dealt with, but the

677
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,519
other parts of the bay along the bay

678
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,000
have been developed pretty pretty great.

679
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:26,399
I don't think that any of those are,

680
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,440
» You know, destroying people's lives or

681
00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:31,120
anything, but [cough and clears throat]

682
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,440
I think it would be nice to be able to

683
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,399
like get up and from here and ride a

684
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,159
bicycle and arrive down in Visitation

685
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:39,760
Valley where I used to live when I lived

686
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:42,320
in Viz Valley. I' kind of haunted

687
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,080
Brisbane all the time. For some reason,

688
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,320
I'm drawn to this place and I want to

689
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,240
live here. I think it's amazing. And I

690
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600
think having I I go down to the train

691
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,880
tunnel all the time and walk down

692
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,399
through there with my daughter and stuff

693
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,320
and if there was a bike path through

694
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:56,640
there, that's an undeveloped like

695
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,777
amazing part of Brisbane. And lots of

696
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,320
other places have bike paths and

697
00:32:58,777 --> 00:33:02,240
[clears throat] things that you know do

698
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,760
cool stuff. Like we need more cool stuff

699
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:08,880
on this part of the larger Bay Area.

700
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,279
like it can't just be over there's Viz

701
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Valley and Brisbane and the dump you

702
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:15,840
know there we need to really consider

703
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,519
that we could develop it because it

704
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:21,039
brings arts this way and we can have

705
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:24,159
arts that come into also

706
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:27,039
Brisbane from San Francisco and the

707
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:29,039
other way around. It's kind of nice to

708
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,559
um when I first moved here, I thought,

709
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,720
"Oh no, is this place completely

710
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,399
isolated?" But then I kind of found out

711
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,320
both my worlds are connected together

712
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:40,000
through this project. And I love

713
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,159
Brisbane. It's a great place. I mean, if

714
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,440
I could buy 10 houses here, I would. But

715
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:47,919
I, you know, I rent here. I'm not even a

716
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,679
property owner. But I go to all the

717
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:51,840
businesses here and I watch the hardware

718
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:54,159
store close and I watch the foot traffic

719
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,760
dwindle. And no matter how many events

720
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:57,760
you throw in the park, that's not going

721
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,279
to bring enough people to keep the

722
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
businesses open. So then what are you

723
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,640
going to be? You're going to be like a

724
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,480
bedroom community with no businesses in

725
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,720
it. And if you can't sustain those

726
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,040
businesses, it's not going to work out,

727
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,280
you know. So having arts and different

728
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,960
things moving from both places, you

729
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,919
know, we need to be kind of more

730
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,839
connected. I'm I'm looking forward to

731
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:20,000
learning everything I can find out about

732
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:21,440
this project because it's newer to me. I

733
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,960
don't know the ins and outs of it.

734
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,200
certainly haven't been around as long as

735
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:30,560
some of the people um thinking about the

736
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:32,240
environmental impact. Um

737
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,599
I know that there is one I know that

738
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:35,839
there's soil there that needs to be

739
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,359
removed. Now that I know that I'm

740
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:39,520
probably not going to go creeping around

741
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:40,960
in there anymore. Um [snorts] I've been

742
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,639
going down there and walking around. I

743
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,000
went to the train station. I just

744
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,560
recently found out it's where they used

745
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,720
to repair trains. Like that's amazing.

746
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,960
If part of that could be there across

747
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:54,079
from Sevenmile House, it would change

748
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:57,920
this whole into the city. San Francisco

749
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:59,839
has whole maps that don't even have um

750
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,320
Visitation Valley on them. And that's

751
00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:04,720
one of their actual neighborhoods,

752
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:07,200
right? They just are like whatever. It's

753
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,839
not on the like maps that you can buy in

754
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:12,079
the tourist areas of the city. Brisbane,

755
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:14,320
nobody knows it's here. It's a secret

756
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:17,040
place. And I know that that's cool and

757
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,800
it protects everything, but it has to

758
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,400
be, you know, brought together. But

759
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,520
thank you. I don't want to go too long.

760
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,640
» Okay. Thank you, Michael Barnes.

761
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,440
» I thought it was Michelle.

762
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,599
» Is it Michelle?

763
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,240
» Michelle Sammon, Michael Barnes, and

764
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,839
Michelle, it is you.

765
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:35,440
» I was paying attention to the order

766
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:38,400
because it's was my suggestion. Um, I

767
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,640
was the chair for No Unmeasured JJ and

768
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,880
it was very difficult to do that because

769
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,920
I was in disagreement with some of my

770
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:49,040
best friends. Um, but I went to every

771
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:54,000
house and talked to people and um,

772
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:57,599
measure JJ won by 10%. And there we are.

773
00:35:54,000 --> 00:36:02,240
And I have a extremely high expectation

774
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:05,119
of the city, the council, the leaders

775
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:07,920
honoring everything that measure JJ

776
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:10,000
states. Thank you, Clark, for what you

777
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,520
said. I mean, it was a tough thing. I

778
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,599
mean, Clark's been my one of my best

779
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:17,920
friends since kindergarten. And we were

780
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:21,119
like this over Terry you, you know,

781
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:23,520
because I didn't agree with the state

782
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:27,359
and the county and the city bullying us

783
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:30,320
about housing on a site this toxic and

784
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:32,320
that was my number one concern and it

785
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,920
still is my number one concern. And I

786
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,079
wish this room had been packed last

787
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,359
night to hear the representatives from

788
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:41,680
DTSC and the regional water quality

789
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:44,480
control board talk about where we are

790
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,880
now, how much further we have to go, the

791
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,800
things that have not been examined, the

792
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,200
things in the dump. It was mostly they

793
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,040
did it by historical records manifest.

794
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,200
They trust those. You know, it's a

795
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,760
little scary. It is scary what we're

796
00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,240
about to do. And I do think we should

797
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,839
ratchet back and do alternative seven

798
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,920
the least amount of impact. And um I

799
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:07,920
don't think we should take it to the max

800
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,599
and it's going to be probably you know

801
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,079
in my lifetime will probably be over by

802
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:14,400
the time that this is actually built

803
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:17,359
being built. But we have a

804
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,880
responsibility to the future

805
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:21,200
and that's what I'm really concerned

806
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,400
about. So please do your very best work

807
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,079
and one of the things that we could do

808
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,320
to make these meetings shorter. I spent

809
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:29,440
months and months reading the first

810
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,119
program eir then the first draft EIR on

811
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,800
the specific plan and the first specific

812
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,800
plan and the second specific plan and

813
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,880
the second

814
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,400
I know it's a lot of work. I've read it

815
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,839
all you know and all along I kept saying

816
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,760
I hope you guys are reading it. I hope

817
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,839
you guys are looking at it and I mean

818
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,119
Cliff the last meeting spent a total of

819
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:51,680
over an hour over an hour to an hour and

820
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:54,240
a half speaking just you

821
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,520
» Okay that that's really hard

822
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,040
» For especially for people who have

823
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,480
already read it and are familiar with it

824
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,320
and we want to get on and talk about the

825
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,560
things that are unresolved

826
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,200
» And so I will be here I will be here to

827
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,359
the best of my ability to participate

828
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,119
but I hope that you all you know do your

829
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:10,640
homework and that you go back and watch

830
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,359
last night's meeting if you weren't here

831
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,040
in Thank you very much. It is available.

832
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:16,720
Thank you, Carolyn. She had to walk me

833
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,079
through making seeing where it was

834
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:20,640
available. Thank you.

835
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:22,720
» Michelle is referring to BB Keg had a

836
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,040
meeting last night with DTSC and

837
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:27,599
regional water quality control board and

838
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,040
it is I believe on the city website for

839
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:33,160
anyone who'd like to watch the

840
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,160
broadcast. Michael Barnes.

841
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
» Good evening, Mayor Council. My name is

842
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,240
Michael Barnes. I'm a Brisbane resident.

843
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Um,

844
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:48,000
in 2008, I think I was sitting in that

845
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,000
chair right there when I came out in

846
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,839
favor of housing on the bay lands. And

847
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,680
that was a decade before measure JJ was

848
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:55,440
passed because I couldn't figure out

849
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,320
where those people who would work out

850
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,960
there would live.

851
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Then more recently, you gota had a

852
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,359
proposal to buy water from Merrced and I

853
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,560
believe that fell apart because you

854
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:09,200
couldn't figure out a way to transfer

855
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,160
the water from Merced to Brisbane. But

856
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,400
if you go to the state of California and

857
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,400
ask them to pressure these intervening

858
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,920
agencies, if the water is still

859
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,760
available, I'm sure the state of

860
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,320
California understands that there is no

861
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,240
housing without water. You may try to

862
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,240
work with the legislature rather than

863
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,240
against it.

864
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,240
Um,

865
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,800
and finally, I I proposed the fiscal

866
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560
analysis of the Bayands project when I

867
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,599
was on city council because you can't do

868
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,880
this in in SQA. We just went outside of

869
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,640
it and made made it a requirement that

870
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,240
the Bayands project would benefit

871
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,760
Brisbane fiscally and wouldn't bankrupt

872
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,520
us. And I think that's part of Measure

873
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,520
JJ, too. I I really think that Measure

874
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,599
JJ is important as Clark has said. And

875
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,480
it also talks about energy neutrality.

876
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:00,160
And I agree with the analysis of one of

877
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,240
other residents of Brisbane that it

878
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,680
doesn't seem to be energy neutral right

879
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,119
now. Thank you.

880
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,599
» Thank you. And the last one is

881
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,920
» Linda.

882
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,920
» Linda Simmon.

883
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:21,359
» Dear honored and belleaguered council,

884
00:40:20,252 --> 00:40:24,480
[laughter] it's amazing that we're

885
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:27,760
finally doing this. um talking about the

886
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,599
overall what's what I'm sorry it's a

887
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,359
little machine down here what's what's

888
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:36,400
happening here and [sighs]

889
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:39,200
I was on the n on the on the planning

890
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,200
commission uh that wrote the 1994

891
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,680
general plan most of which is still kind

892
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:49,599
of hanging out which gave the tundex

893
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:52,079
sunquest owners um an incredible

894
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,960
capacity to build something that was

895
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,280
marvelous

896
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,800
in terms of the FS.

897
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,800
And they came back eventually with a uh

898
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,440
a designer, an architect. I don't

899
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,839
remember his name. I've asked staff us a

900
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,079
couple times what what his name was, but

901
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:10,480
the whole of the city of Brisbane loved

902
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,560
it and said, "Yes, let's do it." And it

903
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,760
was like, you know, just one one one

904
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:18,400
huge building that had space for art and

905
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:22,640
events and things like that.

906
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,800
And then it was taken away because

907
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,599
everybody was pushing, oh, we have to

908
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,040
have houses. Houses.

909
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:34,720
There's a difference between housing

910
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:36,640
like what is being offered right now and

911
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:39,119
uh I call them dwelling units,

912
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,680
apartments, pe things that working

913
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:44,160
people can afford. Um because people

914
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,000
were concerned about well if we have you

915
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,520
know businesses out here we're not going

916
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,720
to have dwelling units for all the

917
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,400
people who's going to work there and

918
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,839
transit.

919
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,240
People who [clears throat] are have lots

920
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:57,520
and lots of money who want to buy fancy

921
00:41:54,240 --> 00:42:00,319
houses don't take public transit. They

922
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,040
all have cars several of them. So that's

923
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:05,119
one issue. There's a lot of issues.

924
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,920
There are other alternatives to the one

925
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,359
we're looking at right now, which

926
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,880
somehow another have gotten lost and I

927
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:14,640
don't know what to say about it. I know

928
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,440
council's gone to one direction because

929
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,960
of whatever has been recommended, but

930
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,119
I'm not sure if that's really the best

931
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:26,720
and safest things for us. We have

932
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:29,359
unknown toxics on this area. We have an

933
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,599
incomplete EIR that we're being asked to

934
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:34,960
certify all for pressures for more and

935
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:38,000
more houses. Brisbane

936
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,960
is a very small town and now we're being

937
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:43,760
asked to become again a more big huge

938
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,520
city. California is trying to wipe out

939
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:48,960
small towns. We've already lost our

940
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:52,240
central valley to suburbia.

941
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,040
California does not have enough water to

942
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:56,079
have the housing we have right now. I

943
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,760
don't know where they think they're

944
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:01,119
going to get this water. I mean,

945
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:03,599
Colorado River is dry for LA. [snorts] I

946
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:06,079
mean, really, we have other issues, our

947
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:08,800
environmental issues. This is a very,

948
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:11,599
very fragile economy. Economy, I

949
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,040
shouldn't say, I should should say place

950
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:18,079
to live in terms of rising sea levels,

951
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,880
liquefaction, earthquakes,

952
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:24,560
fires, etc.

953
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:26,800
to ask us to put fancy homes on a 5-ft

954
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,200
clay cap [clears throat]

955
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,400
that I just learned last yesterday, last

956
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:35,280
night, is not going to be clean clay,

957
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:38,560
but it's going to be stuff that's

958
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:42,000
already there. Um the natural fill in

959
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,359
the area uh of which is largely

960
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,560
contaminated. And they said, "Well,

961
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,520
we're going to clean it up and we're not

962
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,520
going to use the stuff that's

963
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:50,800
contaminated. We'll be able to sort it

964
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,880
out maybe, more or less. It's not good

965
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,359
enough. It's really not good enough. A

966
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,280
5-ft clay cap and you're going to build

967
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:59,920
fancy houses on it and you're showing

968
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,520
the pictures of trees and gardens

969
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:06,640
doesn't work. What about the wetlands?

970
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:10,240
The job of the wetlands is to absorb

971
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:13,680
rising sea levels and floods. That is

972
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:16,160
what we have had here protecting our

973
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,800
little hamlet, our little city. one of

974
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,359
the reasons why we're kind of up above

975
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,839
the sea level more or less. But even

976
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:26,800
right here, right now, where we are was

977
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:29,839
marsh land when I was a child. People

978
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,760
don't seem to realize how close we are.

979
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:33,440
One of the reasons that the old county

980
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,240
road is the shape it is is that was the

981
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,400
shoreline.

982
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,119
I'm going to be 78 years old. That

983
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,200
wasn't that long ago.

984
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:45,599
Do you think mother nature will have a

985
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,599
hand in what we're going to do? Are we

986
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,040
going to defy mother nature and try and

987
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:53,760
do something that's not going to be

988
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:56,160
safe? Who's going to be responsible?

989
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,319
We need to have more public input, I

990
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,400
feel, than what we've had. We've been

991
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:03,359
silenced. You get a chance to talk and

992
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,680
then you're hush.

993
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:09,680
In my view, the owner has no intention

994
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:13,040
whatsoever to do anything with this

995
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:15,839
property. They simply want the permits

996
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,839
so they can sell it for more money. I

997
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:21,119
would suggest that any permits we give,

998
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:25,040
any agreement we give, any uh okay to

999
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:29,280
any kind of a specific plan is limited

1000
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:31,760
to that owner only. Period. No more

1001
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,760
stuff like we had on the Northeast Ridge

1002
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,680
with Crocker Land immediately selling

1003
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,280
things to Brookfield who ignored

1004
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,640
everything that we were supposed to do

1005
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,560
there.

1006
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:45,440
I say be careful. Don't do it. Okay. So,

1007
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,440
if we do finally come to an occlusion

1008
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,760
for a decent

1009
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,280
safe

1010
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,599
specific plan for this area, it's only

1011
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,680
for this owner. If somebody else wants

1012
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,240
to buy it and come in, they can start

1013
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,160
over again. I don't know if you realize

1014
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:07,119
the financing how they're planning to do

1015
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:09,200
it, but it's not very sturdy.

1016
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:11,599
warning

1017
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,000
again.

1018
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:16,640
Okay, thank you.

1019
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,119
All right, we're moving back into our

1020
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,880
topics. So, the last public hearing on

1021
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:23,200
September 29th, we adjourned the

1022
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,839
meeting. Some council members still had

1023
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,280
questions for staff on the topic. We

1024
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:32,160
were on land use and plan designs that

1025
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,280
encompasses the following subtopics.

1026
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,800
distribution and intensity of land uses,

1027
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,760
location of open spaces and amenities,

1028
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:45,200
interface with sea level rise. And the

1029
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,760
second topic from the last meeting was

1030
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:49,839
design topics which encompasses

1031
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:53,760
objective standards and design

1032
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:56,760
guidelines and the roundhouse.

1033
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,760
Um

1034
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,359
Ingred, do you still have slips from

1035
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,920
last week? Okay. So, for the people who

1036
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:08,960
are here who

1037
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,640
if you already spoke last time, please

1038
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,119
don't fill out another slip. But if you

1039
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,280
were one of the few, you left and you

1040
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:17,760
had a question, if you would give Ingred

1041
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,520
a slip, we'll get to you. But I want to

1042
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:23,359
first continue with the council

1043
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:25,119
questions. Um, we're not going to go by

1044
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:27,839
the topics. I'm going to throw a whole

1045
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,160
ball of wax all in one. any of those

1046
00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:32,160
subheadings are fair game if you want to

1047
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,640
talk about any of them in any order

1048
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,200
because we already kind of did that and

1049
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:40,079
I will call on each council member I ask

1050
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,720
you to limit to one question I'll go

1051
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:44,480
back down the dis again and everybody

1052
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:47,440
will keep getting chances but one

1053
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,079
question at a time if you would please

1054
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:53,480
um so city clerk if you could gather

1055
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,480
speaker slips

1056
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:59,359
and let's just start.

1057
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,119
» Council member Kern, you don't always

1058
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:01,359
get to go first. Let's have you go

1059
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,720
first.

1060
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:04,480
» Except this meeting is

1061
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,480
» Except this meeting. Mayor, um,

1062
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,359
» We're going to make sure you get to go

1063
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,960
first.

1064
00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,800
» Um, so the question I have is a

1065
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,800
carryover. Uh, many people know that I'm

1066
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,119
a former res resident of the city of San

1067
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,280
Francisco. I lived for a number of years

1068
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,839
on Barry Street. Barry Street is the

1069
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,359
street in Mission Bay that uh, directly

1070
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:25,680
deadends into Oracle Park.

1071
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:27,440
Uh my question uh staff already has a

1072
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,920
copy of this question. Uh I sent it to

1073
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:32,160
them in advance. But my question is

1074
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,720
Mission Bay, also known as Soma in San

1075
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:37,359
Francisco, is often cited as a model for

1076
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,760
the Baylands, but highdensity corridors

1077
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:41,920
like Berry Street face constant curb and

1078
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,000
traffic lane congestion from tenant move

1079
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,880
in and move outs. This is a densely

1080
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,480
populated area. This becomes extreme

1081
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,160
around the first of the month, and don't

1082
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,800
even add a ball game to that. When

1083
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,880
leases turn over, how specifically does

1084
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,760
the Baylands plan account for off-

1085
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,520
streetet loading bays, staging areas,

1086
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,240
and curb management to handle these

1087
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,480
monthly peak turnover cycles very

1088
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:07,480
specific to tenants, not just general

1089
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
deliveries?

1090
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,359
Thank you, council member. I'm Matt

1091
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,119
going with fair peers. Uh, so we get to

1092
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:21,920
start the transportation portion early

1093
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:24,240
here in responding. Um, there are

1094
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,160
several sections that describe how

1095
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:28,800
driveway and loading operations would

1096
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,960
work, including day one activities. The

1097
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,720
examples that you're citing are are

1098
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,280
great and they really they led San

1099
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,760
Francisco to change how they entitled

1100
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,200
their own projects by requiring what

1101
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,880
they call driveway and loading

1102
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:45,760
operations plan that create clear design

1103
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,000
standards so and procedures so that any

1104
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,040
new developments that come in have to

1105
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,680
follow them to for example make sure

1106
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,680
that they reserve uh spaces on the

1107
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,520
street for those types of loading

1108
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,200
activities or they have to be able to

1109
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,079
show how they can accommodate them

1110
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,880
within the project site itself. So

1111
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:08,480
within the balance specific plan takes

1112
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:11,119
takes a note from that um and includes

1113
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,119
uh clear standards for um [snorts]

1114
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,920
designing driveways, designing for

1115
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:18,640
loading operations and having a clear

1116
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:20,640
protocol for for example if complaints

1117
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,280
arise that they're not following it,

1118
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,800
there's a clear procedure for how to how

1119
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,839
to address that. So that's that's

1120
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:31,760
embedded within the specific plan.

1121
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:33,599
um chapter six um and as well as uh

1122
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,280
within the supplemental design

1123
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:37,200
guidelines that are in the the

1124
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,280
transportation impact analysis report

1125
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,760
which is cited as a part of the

1126
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,760
mitigation measures.

1127
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,760
» Thank you.

1128
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,760
» Yep.

1129
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,480
» Council member Lent. Um,

1130
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,480
I asked a lot of questions during that

1131
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:57,599
last uh hearing and all my questions uh

1132
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
came out [clears throat] during that

1133
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,920
hearing. So, I don't have any questions

1134
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:04,079
regarding this particular uh topic.

1135
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:07,280
» Okay. Thank you. Fair enough. Council

1136
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:09,040
member Okonnell.

1137
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920
» I don't have any questions on those

1138
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,280
topics.

1139
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,200
» Okay. Mayor Pro Tim Davis,

1140
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,240
» At a future meeting, can staff provide

1141
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:22,640
council with a final accounting of the

1142
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:27,359
157 acres identified as open space/open

1143
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:30,160
area showing separately what acreage is

1144
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:33,119
permanent habitat conservation,

1145
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,119
what wetlands, what is publicly

1146
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:37,760
accessible

1147
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:39,920
parkland, what is recreational open

1148
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:44,800
space, and what is privately controlled.

1149
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:48,000
bold open area. So maybe a map

1150
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,640
that's shaded with figures

1151
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:54,480
for each so we just can see

1152
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,880
comparatively how much each section

1153
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,880
comes out to be on its own would be

1154
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,880
great.

1155
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:05,440
» Okay.

1156
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,119
Um I'm just going to go back since you

1157
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,680
do you have you have no further

1158
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:11,200
questions. Okonnell.

1159
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,040
» No, not at this time. Thank

1160
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,760
» So, let's just go back through the same

1161
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,359
route,

1162
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,760
» Madam Mayor. Sorry. Could we just

1163
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:18,240
clarify uh Council Member Davis's

1164
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:18,640
» Sure.

1165
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,359
» Question?

1166
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,559
» Absolutely.

1167
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:26,559
» Um there is figure

1168
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,920
» Oh, maybe 511 in the specific plan. I

1169
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,200
was want to see if that

1170
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,280
» Okay, let me see.

1171
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,040
» Is responsive so we can pull that out

1172
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,440
and specifically present on it at a

1173
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,880
future meeting. But I

1174
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,160
if you're looking for other information,

1175
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,680
we want to make sure we get that to

1176
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:43,440
» 511. [snorts]

1177
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:45,920
But it it would be good to

1178
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:50,160
Oh. Oh. 2.12.

1179
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:53,359
Maybe you could just add total figures.

1180
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,760
So for like combined community fields

1181
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:57,839
and Bay Trail

1182
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,079
because those are active recreation area

1183
00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:03,336
just to have like totals.

1184
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:03,520
» Yeah, we can we can see like parsed out.

1185
00:53:03,336 --> 00:53:06,720
» [clears throat]

1186
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,000
» And then um yeah that would be more

1187
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,319
clarity around that would be good. Thank

1188
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,119
you.

1189
00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:13,920
» Okay, thanks for clarifying.

1190
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:15,920
Okay. So, I have a question um regarding

1191
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,760
the roundhouse.

1192
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,640
In this specific plan, there's a summary

1193
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:23,040
of a page in turnbowl in the appendix.

1194
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,200
As you know, it's a beautiful study

1195
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,839
about rehabilitation of the roundhouse,

1196
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,839
repurposing the renovation. It it's

1197
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:32,240
really impressive. I was very very

1198
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:34,800
impressed. Um it preserves historic

1199
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:38,319
attributes. It reinvisions new spaces

1200
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,160
within that. Um and then it also says

1201
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:42,880
rehabilitation of the roundhouse. is

1202
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,079
essential to the character of Roundhouse

1203
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:49,280
Park in the district. Who, and this is

1204
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,240
probably a question for the Bayands crew

1205
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,559
here, who do you envision taking on this

1206
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,880
restoration? And should we safely assume

1207
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:00,160
that the floor plans and features in

1208
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,559
that appendix are an exact blueprint of

1209
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:06,440
what to expect as the final product? If

1210
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,440
you could field that question.

1211
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:16,240
Is it in other words is it prescriptive

1212
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:19,359
or is it just an idea

1213
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:21,119
and and who would actually con do that

1214
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:23,119
renovation?

1215
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,440
» Good evening madame mayor council

1216
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:29,280
members Stephanie Shakovski the balance

1217
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:33,520
development inc. Um the the page and

1218
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:35,680
turn ball um uh presentation that's

1219
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:41,680
we've included in the specific plan.

1220
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:43,520
Yeah. Uh that's a real plan. Um and uh

1221
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,040
because it's the roundhouse, I mean we

1222
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,960
it has to be preserved as the

1223
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,079
roundhouse. So we have a whole adaptive

1224
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,400
reuse program for it that would be how

1225
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:54,319
it would be financed. Um I know we have

1226
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:57,839
a financing

1227
00:54:54,319 --> 00:55:01,440
um whole session coming up but we

1228
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:04,319
envision it as being um

1229
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,559
financed by our typical you know private

1230
00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:10,960
funders, equity funders, CFDs, HOAs and

1231
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:13,520
and commercial uh associations that

1232
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,920
would be putting funding into that. Um

1233
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:17,839
there also may be the ability to use

1234
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,000
some of the public art funds for the

1235
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:21,200
project. It will also be self-sustaining

1236
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,508
because if you read the whole

1237
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,920
description, it does have plans

1238
00:55:23,508 --> 00:55:28,079
[clears throat] for shops and coffee

1239
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,160
houses and restaurants inside there and

1240
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:34,559
active uses. So, you know, theaters, um,

1241
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,720
things that could raise revenue for the

1242
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:39,119
long-term maintenance of the project.

1243
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:41,839
But yeah, um, the financing would be a

1244
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:44,160
whole stack of of funds that would put

1245
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:45,760
it together. Yeah. And and and we love

1246
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,359
the roundhouse and it's great. And not

1247
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,200
only is it being preserved, but it's

1248
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:51,760
also being connected with that long

1249
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,359
linear park that goes through the whole

1250
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,000
project.

1251
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:56,319
And is that answer?

1252
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,359
» Sure.

1253
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:00,079
» Thank you.

1254
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:01,280
» Council member Kern, you're up.

1255
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:04,079
» No further questions.

1256
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:06,000
» Okay. Mayor Prom Davis.

1257
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:08,400
» Yes.

1258
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,400
So, the final E says the site specific

1259
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,880
review process is intended to be

1260
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,440
flexible enough to accommodate changing

1261
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,119
recreational needs over time. And I just

1262
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:20,240
want to make sure that that flexibility

1263
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:23,119
is preserved within this specific plan.

1264
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:24,640
And was also wondering what authority

1265
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,240
the city would have to require a

1266
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,799
different type of recreational or

1267
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:31,440
community amenity than those shown in

1268
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:35,119
the illustrative plans. I'm not saying

1269
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:38,319
that we would, but we may say, "Oh, we

1270
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:41,200
it's global warming and it's so hot now

1271
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:43,920
and we need another pool."

1272
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:47,359
Is there that flexibility there to

1273
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:51,720
change a recreational

1274
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:51,720
um amenity in that way?

1275
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:56,480
Actually, that would probably be a

1276
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:58,000
development agreement item versus just

1277
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,000
an open space item. So, I would take

1278
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,599
that exam. That's probably not a great

1279
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,599
example, but um

1280
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:11,160
just the overall question I think is

1281
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,160
still worth responding to.

1282
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:17,599
So it's the probably the most responsive

1283
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:23,119
portion of this is described in chapter

1284
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:26,720
nine of the EIR. So as each um park open

1285
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:29,200
space and trail area is proposed in

1286
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,200
connection with future development um

1287
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,280
there are sight specific improvement

1288
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:37,119
plans that are required for those open

1289
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,480
spaces and um then the um parks and

1290
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:40,400
recreation committee has actually

1291
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,200
delegated authority under the specific

1292
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:47,440
plan to review those spite sight

1293
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:49,200
specific approvals and um issue issue

1294
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,880
permits for the sight specific improve

1295
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,880
improvements as part of that open space

1296
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,160
plan and then they would be doing that

1297
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:59,280
applying the uh framework and policy

1298
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,040
direction of the specific plan.

1299
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,000
» Okay.

1300
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:06,799
All right. Um Beayshore Cal Train

1301
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,599
Station Plaza.

1302
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:12,079
The specific plan shows an illustrative

1303
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,559
concept diagram.

1304
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,960
And I wondered again a question for the

1305
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,440
Bayance crew. Is there an awareness that

1306
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,920
San Francisco planning has a document

1307
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,880
called the Beayshore multimodal facility

1308
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,640
study and since you're on the border

1309
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:31,520
there have you had any coordination with

1310
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:36,319
them because they have four alternative

1311
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,319
concepts have you had any dialogue with

1312
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,319
Um, also I don't know if we're getting

1313
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,079
into transportation. I do have some

1314
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:53,359
slides to share on that topic when we're

1315
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:56,480
ready for it. Um, so on the Beayshore uh

1316
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:59,040
Cal Train station plaza, we have not

1317
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,200
discussed the exact design with them at

1318
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,000
this time. However, we have had initial

1319
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:06,880
discussions with SF planning and SFMTA

1320
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,520
about regional coordination around some

1321
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,200
of the infrastructure um related to

1322
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,839
transportation. So, the plaza will

1323
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,599
probably come into play there. Um and

1324
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,960
once we get to the point of actually

1325
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:18,480
putting forward a design, we will

1326
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,079
obviously have to coordinate with those

1327
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,799
relevant stakeholders to make sure we're

1328
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:25,119
meeting um their policy objectives.

1329
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:26,720
» Okay. I I think you need to talk to them

1330
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:28,880
because they have different ways of

1331
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,240
approaching the station. Even you're

1332
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,559
talking roads.

1333
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,799
» Sure.

1334
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,880
» And so that's that's pretty critical to

1335
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:37,280
have an advanced.

1336
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,319
» Um, Mayor Prom, you have another

1337
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,160
question.

1338
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:42,240
» Yes.

1339
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,960
This is something we've briefly talked

1340
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,040
about. Um,

1341
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,280
between staff and I and maybe at another

1342
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,799
meeting, but I think it's good to have

1343
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,040
something just like a little bit more

1344
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:54,799
clear. So given the environmental

1345
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,480
history of the baylands and the fact

1346
00:59:54,799 --> 01:00:00,079
that remediation and landfill closure

1347
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:03,359
are regulated by um agencies other than

1348
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,520
Brisbane, could we secure permanent

1349
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:07,280
public access, maintenance and utility

1350
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,599
easements for infrastructure, open

1351
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,400
space, parks, etc.

1352
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,319
While the underlying property remains

1353
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:17,200
privately owned and the responsibility

1354
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,000
of the landfill cap remediation, any

1355
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,160
future environmental failures remains

1356
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,119
the with the responsible property owner

1357
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,280
or other legally responsible party. And

1358
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:31,680
I know we've kind of talked about this,

1359
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:33,599
so sorry for asking this again, but I it

1360
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,079
would be great if that is possible to

1361
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:39,520
come back maybe with some language of

1362
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:41,280
how we could make that very defined in

1363
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,000
this specific plan.

1364
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:48,160
» Yes. So the the short answer is yes, it

1365
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:50,559
is possible to do um dedications for

1366
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,280
open space that are private privately

1367
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:55,359
owned and publicly accessible. Um, and

1368
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:57,040
then work out different different to

1369
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:00,000
types of ownership structures,

1370
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:03,200
maintenance agreements, um, and, you

1371
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,119
know, operating agreements for how the

1372
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:08,319
public has access to those spaces

1373
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:10,400
without the city needing to take fee

1374
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:12,319
title to the property itself and all the

1375
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,599
the liability that's associated with

1376
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:18,880
that. Um, we can,

1377
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:22,640
um, if the direction from the council is

1378
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:25,680
to explore having that be a, a mandatory

1379
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:28,000
way of taking, um, the open space and

1380
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,359
providing public access, we can uh,

1381
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,400
bring forward some language for you to

1382
01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:31,680
consider around that.

1383
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,359
» Thank you.

1384
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,960
» Okay. Again, in the land use section,

1385
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:39,920
there's a section about affordable

1386
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,520
housing program and it it's very

1387
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,240
interesting because it talks about

1388
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,880
phasing to ensure timely delivery of the

1389
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,839
required affordable units. It mentions

1390
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,599
15% affordable

1391
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:53,440
and

1392
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,680
I recall

1393
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:59,520
Stephanie, you in the first public

1394
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:01,680
hearing talked about that your staff

1395
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:04,000
here, you're not a developer. your

1396
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,400
development manager. So, you're an agent

1397
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,640
of the property owner and that you would

1398
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,920
be working perhaps in partnership with

1399
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,520
other developers. So, I was trying to

1400
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,200
think this through ever since that

1401
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,880
meeting and when I came upon this

1402
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,480
section.

1403
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,520
If you have neighborhoods that are going

1404
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:24,160
to be built by multiple developers, how

1405
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:26,559
do you plan to deliver that affordable

1406
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,880
housing in a timely basis? because in

1407
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:33,839
the same section it talks about a goal

1408
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:37,920
of 514 affordable units and I don't need

1409
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:40,799
to reiterate but I will the emphasis in

1410
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,520
the Bay Area on this project having not

1411
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:46,400
just housing but affordable housing. So

1412
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:49,359
how will you go about if that is the

1413
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,520
goal to deliver it in a timely basis

1414
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:53,599
with multiple developers? How are you

1415
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,119
going to do that or have you can you

1416
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:57,119
tell us anything about that?

1417
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:05,359
Madame Mayor, we again we have a hearing

1418
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:09,760
on phasing coming up in the very near

1419
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:11,680
future. Um but we are required under the

1420
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:15,039
Brisbane and in our specific plan the

1421
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:18,319
15% inclusionary um and we are planning

1422
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:21,440
for that uh in a phased fashion. So for

1423
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:25,200
example the Beayshore district if that's

1424
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:28,960
the first phase that goes through that's

1425
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:32,079
2 110 units of affordable housing.

1426
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:35,359
» Um, and so we would, you know, we would

1427
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:37,359
plan for that. Often these affordable,

1428
01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:39,920
there's a combination of the for rent

1429
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:42,960
and the and the for sale. The for rent

1430
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,760
is almost always um projects that are

1431
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,799
done by the nonprofit um affordable

1432
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:52,000
community. And so the way that this has

1433
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:54,160
worked on other projects and again um

1434
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,839
I'd like to use the Bay Meadows project

1435
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:59,839
as an example because it's a fairly

1436
01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:01,839
recent example of a master planned um

1437
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:05,359
mixeduse community that's been built out

1438
01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:07,359
in San Monteo [clears throat] there. The

1439
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:09,119
uh the developer and the city partnered

1440
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:11,680
with Bridge Housing to build the

1441
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,920
affordable units on on that project. And

1442
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,000
that's typically how it works is that

1443
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:19,680
you the the private developer who's

1444
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:23,520
building the housing um will partner

1445
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,039
with a for-profit I sorry a nonprofit um

1446
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:28,160
affordable housing developer because

1447
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:30,319
they can access all of the federal,

1448
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:34,240
state, and local grant and funds that

1449
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:36,480
are available for for those projects. So

1450
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,319
conceptually that's how it works and

1451
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,119
we'll talk more about that in the

1452
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:42,240
phasing,

1453
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:43,920
» Right? Theoretically, if if you have

1454
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,839
different developers and it could go

1455
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,240
over 10 years, it could go 20 years

1456
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:51,200
doing different housing neighborhoods,

1457
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:53,200
are you going to prioritize

1458
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:56,319
completing all of those affordable units

1459
01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:00,559
first? First

1460
01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:02,799
» Um in in if you have maybe some more

1461
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,039
expensive market rate, are are we going

1462
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:07,280
to see the completion of the affordable

1463
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,599
housing before we get into other

1464
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:11,280
neighborhoods?

1465
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:13,039
Well, I think the way that we've talked

1466
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,325
about the phasing is like the first

1467
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,200
phase, the beayhore district,

1468
01:05:14,325 --> 01:05:17,200
[clears throat]

1469
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,799
you know, would would have its full, you

1470
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:23,520
know, housing, commercial, and

1471
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:26,319
affordable component to it. Um,

1472
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,160
» It would not be advisable to make sure

1473
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:31,280
that the affordable goes first. And the

1474
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:34,000
affordable nonprofits will tell you that

1475
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,480
and they have been under those kinds of

1476
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,319
development agreements in the past and

1477
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:41,359
it just doesn't work for them because

1478
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:45,680
often um it takes them a few years to

1479
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:47,440
put that very complicated stack together

1480
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,920
which you know it includes HUD dollars

1481
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,880
and lots of state grants and state bonds

1482
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,319
and it takes anywhere from two to four

1483
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,559
years for them to actually put that

1484
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:58,319
stack together. if the private market is

1485
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,039
ready to go, you don't want to hold that

1486
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,559
up.

1487
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,480
» So, you want the commitments for the

1488
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,400
housing, but you don't want to say, "Oh,

1489
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:06,720
and you can't build this until the

1490
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:08,240
affordable goes first." So, you want to

1491
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,480
be flexible, but you want to make sure

1492
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,240
that, you know, it's all planned for.

1493
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,000
But the nonprofits will tell you that,

1494
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:17,280
yeah, they're they're they're not big

1495
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:19,039
fans of being told you have to go first

1496
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,720
because they struggle to put their

1497
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:23,920
capital stack together.

1498
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,440
» Okay. So the ambitious goal of 514,

1499
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,319
we're not sure when that would be

1500
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,039
completed.

1501
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:33,119
» Well, it'll be completed in phases.

1502
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:36,720
» Um the project at 2,200 units is a 15%

1503
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:39,119
inclusion area. That's 330 units. The

1504
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:41,599
514 is taken from the housing element.

1505
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:44,319
Those are goals for the city.

1506
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:46,240
» So um that's something that we need we

1507
01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:47,680
would need to discuss.

1508
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:50,079
» Okay. Thank you.

1509
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:54,240
» Yeah, madame mayor. Yes,

1510
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:58,480
» If I may. Um, and this is to staff.

1511
01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:02,000
Isn't affordable housing only

1512
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:04,559
attributed by density? It's not what it

1513
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,880
really costs.

1514
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:08,960
» That is true when you're doing the

1515
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:11,680
planning and the housing element. So

1516
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:13,920
when uh the housing element creates the

1517
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:17,599
obligation to

1518
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,920
uh plan for housing um you can assume

1519
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:22,880
that housing that is zoned for a

1520
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:25,200
particular density will be developed at

1521
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:28,079
an affordable rate. So you can plan for

1522
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:30,640
that in your housing element when um

1523
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:33,520
development permits are actually issued

1524
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:37,599
and you report that on your annual

1525
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:42,400
progress report to HCD. Um that you then

1526
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:44,640
report the actual um

1527
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,839
sales price or rental price of that

1528
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,000
unit. Uh whether those are lower income,

1529
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:53,039
moderate income or above moderate

1530
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,640
income. Um so it depends at what stage

1531
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:56,720
in the process you're looking whether

1532
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,319
you can assume it will be affordable

1533
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,280
based on density that works during the

1534
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:04,480
housing element process um and then

1535
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:09,280
later during actual development um the

1536
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:14,079
actual uh rents are what what matter.

1537
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:17,120
So there's two different measurements of

1538
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:22,000
what HCD considers affordable housing by

1539
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:23,839
density only and sales price later when

1540
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:28,239
something is actually built whether it

1541
01:08:23,839 --> 01:08:30,319
really is affordable and

1542
01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:32,640
I'll get into the financing another

1543
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,560
time.

1544
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:37,279
» Okay,

1545
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:39,600
Mayor Prochem,

1546
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:43,440
» I have three questions left. Just so you

1547
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,759
have an idea. Um during the EI comment

1548
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:47,520
period, commenters asked whether each

1549
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:50,239
parcel should establish a sightsp

1550
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,400
specific groundwater baseline before

1551
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:54,239
development so that the city could track

1552
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,880
changing groundwater conditions over

1553
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:59,359
time. The final ER concluded that this

1554
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:02,319
wasn't necessary because the projectwide

1555
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:06,319
modeling showed no significant impact at

1556
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:08,560
6 1/2 to 6.9 ft of sea level rise. Does

1557
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:12,000
the specific plan contain any ongoing

1558
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,239
groundwater monitoring or tr I mean I'm

1559
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,239
assuming that

1560
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,199
the regulatory bodies are monitoring the

1561
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:20,640
groundwater for contaminants but I'm

1562
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:24,319
hoping that we would be tracking the

1563
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:27,120
groundwater so that we um could trigger

1564
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:30,480
a mechanism that will allow the city to

1565
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:33,279
detect if actual conditions differ from

1566
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:36,880
our assumptions given the rate at which

1567
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,880
sea level is rising.

1568
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:47,600
Well, unfortunately, since we ran out of

1569
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:50,080
time at our last meeting, um the

1570
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,839
um our sea level rise and groundwater

1571
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,400
expert wasn't available for this

1572
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:56,159
evening's meeting. So, we'll yeah, if we

1573
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:58,239
can circle back to that

1574
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:59,760
» And clean it up um in connection with

1575
01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:01,120
either the remediation or phasing

1576
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,840
discussion, we'll we'll bring that back

1577
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,840
to you.

1578
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,000
» Okay.

1579
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,440
I have no more questions. So, you're on

1580
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,280
for next two.

1581
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:11,199
» Okay. So, another sea level rise

1582
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,600
question. Sorry, I'll just state it and

1583
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,760
then

1584
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,920
» Yeah, that would be great if you if you

1585
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,640
say it for the record and then um we'll

1586
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,880
have the the

1587
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:22,080
» Explanation. Maybe you might know.

1588
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:25,360
So, um, the final EI responded to

1589
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:28,320
Calrans's comment, um, about using the

1590
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:31,440
2030 sea level rise projections by

1591
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:36,159
explaining that the specific plans 6.5

1592
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:39,280
to 6.9 ft 2100 analysis is within

1593
01:10:36,159 --> 01:10:42,400
approximately a half a foot of the 2030

1594
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:44,400
projection referenced by Calrans.

1595
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:46,480
um

1596
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,719
and

1597
01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:50,640
building for building infra or

1598
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:53,360
infrastructure project constructed later

1599
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:57,280
in the buildout. How does the specific

1600
01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:00,239
plan ensure that applicable 100-year

1601
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,840
projection is um actually re-evaluated

1602
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,679
at that time that the project is

1603
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,560
constructed rather than simply relying

1604
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:08,239
on today's 2100 assumptions. So again,

1605
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,560
thinking about the future, thinking that

1606
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:13,040
this project will take several years, if

1607
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,120
not several decades potentially to build

1608
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,199
out, I just want to make sure that

1609
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:21,120
there's something in there that's

1610
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:23,840
[snorts] allowing flexibility to analyze

1611
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,760
adjusting conditions.

1612
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:30,320
» Yeah. and and that the infrastructure

1613
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:33,920
section does address um the it's a

1614
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:37,040
ongoing application of updated standards

1615
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:40,239
particularly with respect to um sea

1616
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:42,640
level rise and flood level um to ensure

1617
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:45,440
that um there are current standards

1618
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:47,520
being applied to development permits as

1619
01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,320
those are are coming through at at that

1620
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,080
time.

1621
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,000
» Okay.

1622
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,560
Um and then last my last question is

1623
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,080
about the roundhouse. Um, so if

1624
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,760
programming of the roundhouse is allowed

1625
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,640
to change,

1626
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,719
um, what limitations does the specific

1627
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,520
plan place on that future use? So, for

1628
01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:07,600
example, if the roundhouse ultimately

1629
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,920
was used primarily for a restaurant or a

1630
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,880
cafe, as the applicant said tonight, or

1631
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:15,520
event venue, are there requirements that

1632
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,679
preserve [snorts] some kind of public

1633
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,560
museum, educational, cultural, or

1634
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:23,040
community component so that the public

1635
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:25,280
always has some level of access? So they

1636
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,679
might not want to visit the roundhouse

1637
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:30,159
to patronize a specific business, but

1638
01:12:27,679 --> 01:12:33,920
they might want to be able to access

1639
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:36,880
that space to appreciate its historical

1640
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:41,280
significance. And so is there anything

1641
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:44,960
in there that ensures that this will

1642
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:49,000
always not just be businessdriven, but

1643
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,000
an asset to the community?

1644
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:57,199
We have our I believe we have our

1645
01:12:53,679 --> 01:13:00,800
historic resource uh consultant online.

1646
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:03,440
So if we could uh her name is Kathy uh

1647
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,520
bring her on as a panelist and then she

1648
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:07,440
could answer the question.

1649
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,800
» I am actually already a panelist.

1650
01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:11,840
» Ah thank you.

1651
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:15,120
» Yes. Um, so just to make sure that I

1652
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:18,159
understand the question, are we trying

1653
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:20,800
to clarify that potential future uses

1654
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:23,040
are not solely businessdriven, but

1655
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:26,640
rather that there will be a historic

1656
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:27,920
interpretation element to the roundhouse

1657
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,920
in future uses?

1658
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,920
» Correct.

1659
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:41,120
The EIR requires that the um

1660
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:44,080
historic preservation component go

1661
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,480
through design review um through

1662
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:48,960
planning commission

1663
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:52,400
which would which will be required to

1664
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,840
get approvals for future adaptive reuse

1665
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:57,360
under the secretary of interior

1666
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:59,440
standards um guidelines. So at that

1667
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,800
point those kinds of decisions would be

1668
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,480
made. I don't obviously I will defer to

1669
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,800
planning but I don't believe that there

1670
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:10,480
is an explicit statement requiring the

1671
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,880
historic interpretation element to the

1672
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:16,480
building as part of the adaptive reuse.

1673
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:18,719
» Mhm. I know like a museum was listed as

1674
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:22,159
a potential use, which I had concerns

1675
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:26,239
that how could you require a museum that

1676
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:29,679
may not be able to sustain itself with

1677
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:31,840
patrons. But I think that having some

1678
01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:34,320
kind of

1679
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,400
space earmarked, whether it's just an

1680
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:38,320
exhibit that's always open and costs

1681
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,120
nothing, you know, I imagine there'll be

1682
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:44,080
things that you will find as you're

1683
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:46,080
doing your restoration that could be put

1684
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,040
on display and old photos. So, I just

1685
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:54,159
think paying homage to

1686
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:56,800
the roundhouse and how special it is um

1687
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,920
is essential. you know, just some kind

1688
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,520
of area.

1689
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:03,199
» Definitely. And if I may comment on

1690
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:05,600
that, um, to clarify Stephanie's point a

1691
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:08,080
little bit, um, so the the roundhouse is

1692
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:11,040
intended to mostly be a public amenity.

1693
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:13,440
So, it is intended to be this open air

1694
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:16,640
amphitheater that uses the the steel

1695
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:19,360
beams of the roundhouse as sort of the

1696
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,199
frame of that structure. And then, of

1697
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:24,480
course, all of that will include a

1698
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:26,000
public park. So really public access is

1699
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,920
at the heart of the plan for the

1700
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,159
roundhouse. So when Stephanie mentioned

1701
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,840
like a restaurant cafe that would

1702
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,679
probably be like a small component of

1703
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,960
that space. So if you think about if you

1704
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:38,400
go to somewhere like um

1705
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,000
you know like even in Golden Gate Park

1706
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,560
they might have a little kiosk where you

1707
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,400
can get coffee and snacks and things

1708
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,920
like that. So I think that's more of the

1709
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,840
intention rather than converting the

1710
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,320
entire roundhouse structure into a

1711
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:52,480
standalone restaurant. Um, and then

1712
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,800
definitely agree with you on maintaining

1713
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:56,800
some educational signage, whether that's

1714
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,040
a full-blown museum or, you know, some

1715
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,560
publicly available plaques. We've

1716
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,320
actually done a lot of that in our

1717
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,480
offices, which are the former Schlleg

1718
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:06,320
lock building. Um, if you ever want to

1719
01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:08,239
come visit, you can see we salvaged a

1720
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,920
lot of um, old signage and things like

1721
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,520
that from the Schlage factory, and have

1722
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,120
that displayed throughout the building.

1723
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,920
» Awesome. Thank you. Those are all my

1724
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,800
questions.

1725
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:18,800
» All right. Now, I have some slips here.

1726
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,199
Let me first just read off the names and

1727
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,520
I want you to be honest with me. If you

1728
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:26,880
spoke on this topic the last public

1729
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:29,920
hearing, this is not a time to speak

1730
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,400
again. This is

1731
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,320
continuing over for people who did not

1732
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:37,280
get the chance to speak because they

1733
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:40,400
left the previous public hearing. So the

1734
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:42,159
slips I have are for Clark Conway, Karen

1735
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:47,920
Cunningham,

1736
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:52,400
Dan Linda Salammon, and Michelle Sammon.

1737
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:54,960
So, Clark Conway, I don't see here.

1738
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:57,280
Karen Cunningham, I know you were here.

1739
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,120
I remember.

1740
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,600
I'm old. I had to go home. I was too

1741
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:04,800
tired.

1742
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:08,800
So, I I think my comments slash

1743
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:12,239
questions relate to both

1744
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,159
the uh land use and design plans. Um,

1745
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:17,600
I'm just going to hearken back just a a

1746
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:20,400
little bit when when

1747
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:23,920
this all came about in the beginning. We

1748
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:26,800
had diaramas and,

1749
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:29,360
you know, various layouts that we got to

1750
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,760
play with. We got to look at, we got to

1751
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,480
look at what, you know, what was maybe

1752
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:38,320
being proposed.

1753
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:39,840
And I, for one, found them incredibly

1754
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,480
helpful.

1755
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:45,280
uh if there's a chance that we can do

1756
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:48,880
this maybe you know out at the Bayland's

1757
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:50,800
office site so people can go and look at

1758
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:54,960
what is being proposed what what are we

1759
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:57,600
really talking about here because from a

1760
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:00,719
physical perspective that brings me then

1761
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,880
to the question of somewhere and I'm I

1762
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:06,239
do apologize I don't know what page this

1763
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:10,239
is on in the EIR there is a me a mention

1764
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:11,840
of 50 ft of philill and I I think many

1765
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:14,560
people in Brisbane are going to want to

1766
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,800
know what the heck does that look like?

1767
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:19,440
For example, you know, what does it look

1768
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:22,000
like from being up on um the top of

1769
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:24,400
Hanbolt looking down on the bays? What

1770
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,159
what does that 50 ft of fill look like?

1771
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:28,560
Are we excavating and then bringing it

1772
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:31,120
up 25 ft? What does it look like? And

1773
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,000
also um you know, we're talking about

1774
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:36,239
the roundhouse and then what does that

1775
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,960
look like if we drive down Beayshore

1776
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:43,199
Boulevard? If we're talking about is

1777
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:46,080
there a 50-ft retaining wall to the east

1778
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:47,679
of Beayshore as we're driving, what do

1779
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,320
these things look like? I think that

1780
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:52,159
would be really super important. We're

1781
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,320
talking about working on this

1782
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:56,719
expeditiously

1783
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,679
and I I think if people have something

1784
01:18:56,719 --> 01:19:01,199
that they can go look at uh as we're

1785
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:04,080
moving through this process, it's going

1786
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:06,400
to make the process go faster as well.

1787
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:09,199
So, I think they are the um most

1788
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,520
important things from what I fell asleep

1789
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:14,080
on last time and I'll leave you to it.

1790
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:18,640
Okay,

1791
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:23,000
Dan, I think Dan left.

1792
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:23,000
Linda Salmon, you're still here.

1793
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:33,360
I'm still here. and we got a chance to

1794
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:36,880
speak a little bit about what was going

1795
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,199
on, but we were in the middle of the of

1796
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:41,600
the of the whole thing. And so I

1797
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:45,280
suggested that we wait until everything

1798
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:48,159
was done and had a chance to still speak

1799
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:51,280
about what was being decided, but it

1800
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:53,280
doesn't like like we're there. So, I'm

1801
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,760
not really sure. And it says now land

1802
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,000
use and design plans. this whole thing.

1803
01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,719
I'm sorry. It's very confusing to me. I

1804
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:02,480
mean, but in terms of topic,

1805
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:05,360
transportation, all these different

1806
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:07,520
topics, are you saying that we've all

1807
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:09,920
already decided about everything that's

1808
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,400
going on or are we are these things that

1809
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,560
are still coming up? I mean, I'm sorry.

1810
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:18,719
things just seem to have gotten to be a

1811
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:20,800
bit of a jumble for me in terms of

1812
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:24,400
asking for public comment in the middle

1813
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:27,120
of not of doing something and now asking

1814
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,080
for that same public comment again when

1815
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,560
I'm I'm not

1816
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:33,199
» Maybe I can clarify right now if you if

1817
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:36,159
you have comments or questions on

1818
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:38,800
anything on land use and the design

1819
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:41,280
plans those were the two topics from the

1820
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,719
last public hearing either one this

1821
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,760
would be the

1822
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:49,120
I didn't see any design plans talked

1823
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:51,679
about last last time or anything else.

1824
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,840
It seemed like we were you called for

1825
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:56,000
public hearing because it was getting

1826
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,880
late and you wanted people to have a

1827
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:00,239
chance to speak, but it's hard to have a

1828
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:02,239
chance to speak on something when you

1829
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:03,600
haven't seen the presentation. Thank

1830
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,520
you.

1831
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,239
» Okay,

1832
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:11,440
I've got Michelle

1833
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:14,000
on land use and design plans.

1834
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:17,360
Um, something that was said last night,

1835
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,880
uh, made me question, is Lazari, the

1836
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,120
Lazari fuel site part of the whole

1837
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,679
project, and is it owned by the same

1838
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:28,080
owners? Cuz they said something last

1839
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:30,719
night that made me think that it might

1840
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:33,280
not be because they weren't doing uh,

1841
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:34,480
soil testing there. So, that's a

1842
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,320
question you don't have to answer right

1843
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:39,679
this second, but I would like to know.

1844
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:43,520
and on land use. Um, you know, in 2018

1845
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:46,080
after measure JJ passed, uh, the,

1846
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:49,679
uh, Greg Vilin and the Bayands, whatever

1847
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:52,960
they were called then, uh, hosted a a

1848
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:54,800
charette, I guess, with this public. And

1849
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,360
land use was pretty much decided by

1850
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:59,360
where you stuck your, uh, little sticker

1851
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:01,760
everywhere. Um, and one of the things

1852
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,679
that I think is [clears throat] probably

1853
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:07,280
not where we should have them is where

1854
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:08,960
the community fields are. And um the

1855
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:11,360
reason I think that is that used to be a

1856
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,960
very active wetland. And actually if you

1857
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,719
go through the tunnel during the wet

1858
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:18,400
season, you'll find that it's still a

1859
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:21,520
very active wet area, but when uh BDI

1860
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:24,320
decided to bring in a huge amount of

1861
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:27,280
gravel and and start a tree nursery

1862
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:30,159
there, they pretty much destroyed a lot

1863
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,679
of the wetland that was there by where

1864
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:34,960
the old railroad tracks came through the

1865
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:39,280
tunnel. Um but that is a wet area and

1866
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:41,199
will get wet again um when

1867
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:44,719
it starts being used and also there is

1868
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:46,719
not any adequate parking uh in that area

1869
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:48,960
because machinery and it's bordered on

1870
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:51,600
one side by beayshore and machinery and

1871
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:53,920
equipment on the other side and the

1872
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:56,480
firehouse and the nursery on the one end

1873
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:59,920
and Ice House Hill on the other plus the

1874
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:02,159
railroad tunnel. And you know, people

1875
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,920
drive to take their kids to soccer, to

1876
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:05,840
take their kids to baseball, to take

1877
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,440
their kids I mean, a lot of times it's a

1878
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:10,320
problem at the pool when they have

1879
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:12,320
soccer um and out of town soccer

1880
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:16,239
matches. So, I'm concerned about that.

1881
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:18,880
I'm concerned about the Lazari area. I'm

1882
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:20,159
concerned about where they um plan to

1883
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,560
put a school, but I've already talked

1884
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:25,120
about that. And then on design plans, I

1885
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,639
was thinking about 22tory buildings. And

1886
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:29,760
of course, we just saw a lot of film

1887
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:33,040
from um 9/11.

1888
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:34,560
And uh 22 stories is really high and you

1889
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,400
have to have really a different kind of

1890
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:39,280
fire equipment and fire department to

1891
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,199
handle a 22 twostory building as opposed

1892
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:44,080
to a 12story building. And I just think

1893
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:48,880
that's really very high with the risk of

1894
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:50,239
uh earthquake and um and fire. And then

1895
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,840
on the roundhouse, I just want to make

1896
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:55,698
sure that everybody is really, really

1897
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:57,360
aware that where the roundhouse is now.

1898
01:23:55,698 --> 01:23:59,199
[snorts]

1899
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,639
GPS- wise, it might be the same, but

1900
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:03,840
it's not going to be at the level where

1901
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:06,320
it is now. It will be completely taken

1902
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:09,600
apart. This was my understanding in

1903
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:12,480
2018. Completely taken apart brick by

1904
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:14,719
brick. The area would be covered with a

1905
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:18,080
cap and protective soil because it's

1906
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:20,480
extremely toxic area and will be rebuilt

1907
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:23,760
higher up. I don't know how much higher

1908
01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:26,000
up. At that time it was 30 ft. So when

1909
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,239
you're envisioning all of that, this is

1910
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:30,239
why Karen's idea of having a

1911
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:31,600
three-dimensional model of what it's

1912
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:33,840
going to look like would be very helpful

1913
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:36,960
for people. It's not going to be where

1914
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:38,639
it is now. So get that in your head. It

1915
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,000
will be a completely different structure

1916
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:42,560
kind of like the roundhouse. That's

1917
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,239
along the Embaradero. That doesn't look

1918
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,440
anything like a railroad roundhouse.

1919
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:48,320
Hopefully, this one will still look like

1920
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:50,320
a railroad roundhouse. Thank you.

1921
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,960
» So, could we have a staff clarification

1922
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:57,120
on I don't know how to say it. Laz

1923
01:24:52,960 --> 01:25:00,400
Lazier Lazeri the fuel. What is it?

1924
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:04,679
» Lazari. Thank you. If that clarify if

1925
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,679
that is part of this project.

1926
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,960
So the this site is within the specific

1927
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,480
plan boundaries and it is also not one

1928
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,360
of those sites that's called out as kind

1929
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:24,400
of these existing use areas um that were

1930
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,639
kind of originally not part of the

1931
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:28,000
specific plan. But this one is in the

1932
01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:32,000
specific plan, the Lazari fuel site. And

1933
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:34,080
I do believe it is uh owned by BDI or

1934
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,600
whichever entity you know Sunquest on

1935
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,120
text one of those.

1936
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,840
» So the answer is yes.

1937
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,600
» Correct.

1938
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:45,360
» Okay.

1939
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:48,800
And um the developer owner crew could

1940
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:50,480
you tell us is the is the roundhouse

1941
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,480
from what we saw in the appendix it

1942
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:54,880
doesn't talk about deconstructing and

1943
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:57,280
moving. Could you clarify that? Is it

1944
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,199
being deconstructed? I know that was

1945
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,840
mentioned years ago. I remember that

1946
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:06,000
about literally brick by brick taking it

1947
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:07,760
apart and reassembling elsewhere.

1948
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:10,400
» Mhm.

1949
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:12,960
» And that was to match the elevation of

1950
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:14,800
moving the dirt.

1951
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,360
» Excuse me, Madame Mayor. Uh if you read

1952
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:21,360
the page in turn, there are two

1953
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:23,280
alternatives for uh rehap

1954
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:26,800
rehabbing the roundhouse. And one of

1955
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:28,400
them does um have a brickby- brick re

1956
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:31,120
reconstruction.

1957
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:33,040
Um

1958
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:35,840
but that's not been decided yet today

1959
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:40,719
what which one which path we will take.

1960
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:45,679
» And sorry and is the other just demolish

1961
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:46,159
rebuild with um with

1962
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:49,040
» No, it was

1963
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:52,000
» To the same to the same

1964
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,000
» No, no, no. It's a it's a it's a state.

1965
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:55,840
It's a historic site, so you can't

1966
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,679
demolish it. You've got to

1967
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:01,280
» I think Greg was like said in the past

1968
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:04,800
that [clears throat] if you wanted it

1969
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:07,760
brick by brick and it all put together,

1970
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:10,000
that was one option, that would take a

1971
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:12,719
significant amount more money as opposed

1972
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,520
to just rebuilding it to the same

1973
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:17,600
blueprint that it was before, but not

1974
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:19,360
using all of the same materials.

1975
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,639
Obviously, there's a lot of holes that

1976
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,000
you'd [laughter] Yes.

1977
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:24,639
» Have to fill, but

1978
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,920
» Yeah. Yeah. But but right now, the plan

1979
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:28,800
there there are two separate plans in

1980
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:32,560
the page in Turbo. One of them is not a

1981
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:35,920
not a total rehab or not a total tear

1982
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:38,320
down and redo. It is a restructuring of

1983
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:40,800
a brick by brick by that material. And

1984
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,480
that is a slightly more expensive uh

1985
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,080
prospect than the one of just rehabbing

1986
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,679
the existing

1987
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:49,120
» Um

1988
01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:51,600
uh roundhouse. And we can bring this

1989
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:54,320
back if if this is a top and we can talk

1990
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,320
more about the actual two alternatives

1991
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,159
for Paige and Turnball. We didn't

1992
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:02,080
weren't prepared to discuss it tonight,

1993
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:03,760
but we have lots of great slides and we

1994
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:06,080
can have a discussion on that. A brief

1995
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,400
one. I I think one of the confusions

1996
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:10,960
here is is if you're moving dirt, is the

1997
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:13,760
roundhouse going to end up down in a

1998
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:15,679
lower elevation if it just is rehabbed

1999
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:18,000
where it is versus

2000
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,800
» Moving it which is at the same

2001
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,840
elevation.

2002
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,760
» Exactly. And those are

2003
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,239
» Does that clarify what you're asking?

2004
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:26,719
» Well, I'm concerned about toxic

2005
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:28,639
remediation.

2006
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:30,320
» They can't hear you anyway.

2007
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:31,520
» It's okay, Michelle. She's gonna

2008
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:35,120
» Followup question,

2009
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:37,600
» Madame Mayor. is about toxic remediation

2010
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,360
in both of those areas. the Lazari fuel

2011
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:42,560
which last night they mentioned that

2012
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:45,760
they'd not testing there and it's not

2013
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,679
specifically mentioned in the EIR and

2014
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:51,679
the roundhouse being a highly

2015
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:55,036
contaminated area which was why they had

2016
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:56,719
talked about lifting it up or if

2017
01:28:55,036 --> 01:28:59,760
[clears throat] you leave it in place

2018
01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:02,159
exactly where it is how are you going to

2019
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:04,320
mitigate the amount of toxins there

2020
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:07,040
that's my real concern

2021
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:09,360
» Okay I think that that those will also

2022
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,600
probably come up under remediation now

2023
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,480
that you've brought brought those up.

2024
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,480
» Yeah. Okay.

2025
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:17,920
» But it affects the

2026
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:21,679
» Yes, understood. Uh Michael Barnes, I

2027
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:23,360
have you on design plans here.

2028
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:25,600
» Michael Barnes, Brisbane resident. I'm

2029
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:28,480
reacting to Ariel of Mountain Watch's

2030
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,239
request last meeting to maintain the

2031
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:32,880
Mission Blue Nursery, native plant

2032
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:36,239
nursery in its present location. And I

2033
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:39,280
don't think that's a necessarily a great

2034
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:42,560
idea. Um I think that actually the

2035
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:44,400
nursery could be on, you know,

2036
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,600
the the old tire dump for instance

2037
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,960
because none of those plants are

2038
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,600
actually grown in the ground. They're

2039
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:52,800
all grown up on tables. Um and it's not

2040
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,800
that I don't like the nursery. I'm

2041
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,639
actually the person who conceived of the

2042
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,000
nursery. I was on the city council at

2043
01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:00,560
the time and I knew the right people to

2044
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:02,560
talk to and I actually made that deal

2045
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:06,000
happen to get the native plant nursery

2046
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:08,480
built in Brisbane. So I'm pro nursery

2047
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:11,120
but that the land that it sits on now is

2048
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:12,880
clean and I think you have ball fields

2049
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,880
or something scheduled for that and I

2050
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:17,199
think those are better uses. There's so

2051
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,960
little actually clean land in this

2052
01:30:17,199 --> 01:30:21,040
bayand's development that I think you

2053
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,880
should use it for those kind of

2054
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,440
sensitive receptors that might want to

2055
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:27,920
be out there in the dirt and the nursery

2056
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:30,239
will be just fine on remediated land

2057
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,840
because again they're not growing plants

2058
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:35,040
in the soil of the bay lands. They're

2059
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:38,639
growing the plants on tables. Thank you.

2060
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:41,360
» Okay. All right. That concludes unless

2061
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:45,199
anyone council I believe we have

2062
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:47,679
concluded the uh recap of our last

2063
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:50,400
public hearing. So we can move on to

2064
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:52,080
tonight's

2065
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:54,880
the two topics for tonight are

2066
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:57,280
transportation and transit topics and

2067
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:00,719
the second topic is beayshore mobility

2068
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:02,960
plan. The first topic I'll break it down

2069
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:04,560
into the subheadings which are street

2070
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,360
sections

2071
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:11,280
interface with regional transportation

2072
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:14,880
network and finally the Geneva Avenue

2073
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,800
extension and I already had couple

2074
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,239
questions from people about anything

2075
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,480
having to do with just general

2076
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:22,800
circulation.

2077
01:31:20,480 --> 01:31:24,960
you can fit that under street sections

2078
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:28,080
or regional transit I think would

2079
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,159
probably suffice unless it specifically

2080
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:34,080
is [snorts] related to Geneva Avenue

2081
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:36,159
extension. So if the um members of the

2082
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:39,440
public would fill out speaker slips if

2083
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:41,120
you haven't already and I failed to

2084
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:43,040
mention any members of the public at

2085
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,960
home you would have to raise your hand

2086
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:47,280
in Zoom.

2087
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:51,600
The city clerk will add you to a speaker

2088
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:53,600
card. Um, but right now I would like to

2089
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:56,000
proceed with the staff report on

2090
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:59,480
circulation and the beayhore mobility

2091
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,480
plan, please.

2092
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,960
» All right. Thank you. Uh, good evening,

2093
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,560
honorable mayor and council members. Uh,

2094
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:08,159
let's see get the slides up and u well,

2095
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,360
we'll have to shift it up on the fly a

2096
01:32:08,159 --> 01:32:11,440
little bit because of the mayor's ball

2097
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,679
of wax from earlier. We had kind of

2098
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:15,040
something else in mind, but we can uh

2099
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:18,920
speed ahead some of these slides. So,

2100
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,920
let's get the presentation up.

2101
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:26,239
All right, let's go ahead

2102
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:30,560
more more slides.

2103
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:32,080
We can go ahead, I think, to

2104
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:34,239
we can pass the summary. We kind of

2105
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:37,520
tucked on that. We already passed land

2106
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:41,679
use. Let's go to slide

2107
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:43,360
um for the transportation topics because

2108
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:47,400
we're going to hand it over to Matt

2109
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:47,400
right away and get going.

2110
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:53,920
Great. Thank you Jeremiah and councel.

2111
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:56,239
Um yeah so once again I'm Minne with

2112
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:58,000
fair and peers and so we did the trans e

2113
01:32:56,239 --> 01:33:00,480
transportation analysis for the city and

2114
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,480
so here to present on yeah

2115
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:04,000
transportation circulation topics. Next

2116
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:07,920
slide.

2117
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:11,760
So, first just uh the uh overall roadway

2118
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:14,000
network of the of the bay lands includes

2119
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:17,040
uh both regional kind of through routes

2120
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,800
as well as like local streets and really

2121
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:20,880
trying to identify a hierarchy of

2122
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,600
streets that allows people to move

2123
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,679
through easily to places like 101 as

2124
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,199
well as um to their final destinations

2125
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,600
recognizing those are different types of

2126
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:32,320
streets. And within each street

2127
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:35,040
typology, there are standards for

2128
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,800
pedestrian, bicycle, transit facilities,

2129
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:39,440
vehicle facilities, as well as the

2130
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:41,679
broader public realm uh functions. Next

2131
01:33:39,440 --> 01:33:43,600
slide.

2132
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:45,840
And so when we're thinking about how

2133
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,400
access within the the site will be

2134
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:51,120
provided, you have your primary your

2135
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,600
regional arterial um which is the Geneva

2136
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,360
long anticipated Geneva Avenue extension

2137
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,960
that's been identified for a long time

2138
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,280
as a part of the general plan. And this

2139
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:01,920
will provide a really critical route um

2140
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:03,360
to and from uh highway 101 and allow

2141
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:05,280
some of those trips that are currently

2142
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:08,239
using beayhore from San Francisco and

2143
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:11,760
Daily City for example to uh have a more

2144
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:13,760
direct route to the freeway um with uh

2145
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,840
you know a little so that's going to

2146
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:18,400
have the highest level of traffic um as

2147
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:20,560
well as higher speeds generally um

2148
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,560
although with 30 mph design speeds to

2149
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,639
ensure that they conform with CALR

2150
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,239
standards for this type of environment.

2151
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:28,560
Then you have your minor arterial

2152
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:30,719
circulation with um including Tunnel

2153
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:33,120
Road being rebuilt as well as a Sierra

2154
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:35,679
Point Parkway extension that will

2155
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:39,520
connect uh Geneva Avenue to uh Lagoon

2156
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:41,040
Road. Within the west of Cal Train area,

2157
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:43,679
you have your collector road network

2158
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,159
that um will have a little bit higher

2159
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:47,600
higher higher traffic uh allowing for

2160
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:50,480
people to get to and from their

2161
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:51,840
destinations. Um and then at the very

2162
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:53,520
bottom you have your local roadway

2163
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,120
network and your green streets. And the

2164
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,800
local roadway network and green streets

2165
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,840
are really where your local access is

2166
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:02,159
provided via driveways. So slower slower

2167
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:04,000
speeds um fewer vehicles and

2168
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:06,560
particularly on the green streets um

2169
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:09,040
there it follows you know uh design

2170
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:11,600
standards from the state and state and

2171
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:14,000
federal level just making sure that um

2172
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,760
that it functions with slower speeds 15

2173
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,840
mph speed limits really oneb block

2174
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,440
access. It's really just they don't

2175
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,560
really go anywhere. So really providing

2176
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:27,320
that just uh hyper local access for for

2177
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,320
people at that level. Next slide.

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01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:40,159
» I don't know if staff heard that. We've

2179
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:44,679
had a request. Could we zoom in on that

2180
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:44,679
so people can see the detail?

2181
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:52,986
» Is that enough? We we might have to shut

2182
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,986
off the captions, too. [laughter]

2183
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:02,719
» I don't know if the council heard, but

2184
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:04,320
we could turn off the uh captions and

2185
01:36:02,719 --> 01:36:06,239
that will make it bigger, but because

2186
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:09,400
we've been including the captions. There

2187
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,400
you go.

2188
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:14,960
» Great. Well, I'll let this sit here for

2189
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:16,880
for a moment um just so you can digest

2190
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:20,159
it. Um

2191
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:23,199
and then I'd like to shift to the next

2192
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:27,199
slide which is bicycle network.

2193
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:30,000
Um which has a similar type of hierarchy

2194
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:31,679
of sorts um organized all around the

2195
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:34,000
principle that people who are riding

2196
01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:36,639
bicycles should be able to ride on a low

2197
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:39,520
stress facility where anyone can feel

2198
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:43,280
comfortable. Um, but you do have those

2199
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:45,280
uh facilities such as Tunnel Avenue or

2200
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:46,960
uh Geneva that provide through routes

2201
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,199
through the site plan. And so you can

2202
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:51,520
imagine that Tunnel Avenue, for example,

2203
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:54,080
with uh new class 4 facilities would

2204
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:55,760
provide a comfortable straight through

2205
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:58,320
fast route for people traveling through

2206
01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,159
the community. Well, then you have kind

2207
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,880
of while you then you have things like

2208
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:05,440
the class one bay trail that would be

2209
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:08,800
more for recreational users and include

2210
01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:11,440
a mix of people walking, biking, um

2211
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:14,320
using other mobility devices um designed

2212
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:16,400
to modern bay trail design standards

2213
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:20,000
that are really focused on ensuring

2214
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:22,080
safety for uh people walking, biking,

2215
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:24,000
using ebikes, making sure that people

2216
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,600
don't, for example, go too fast on those

2217
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,520
types of facilities through through

2218
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,600
designs and other restrictions. ions.

2219
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,119
Um, and then at the bottom you have your

2220
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:34,239
class one internal trail that would

2221
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:36,320
connect down to Bayan uh to central

2222
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:38,080
Brisbane and your your green green

2223
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,239
shared streets as well providing that

2224
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:43,480
hyper local access I mentioned earlier.

2225
01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:43,480
Next slide.

2226
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:47,840
And on the transit network, you have of

2227
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:50,320
course your your CALR station providing

2228
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:53,440
the the best uh regional transit access.

2229
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,920
And then you have uh the T3 SAM Trans

2230
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:58,639
and the planned east west BRT that would

2231
01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:01,840
provide the kind of connections to other

2232
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:03,520
neighboring jurisdictions. Um as well as

2233
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:05,679
SAM Trans connecting down to central

2234
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,440
Brisbane. And then you have your local

2235
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:09,600
shuttle routes that are planned as a

2236
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:11,600
part of the specific plan itself. um

2237
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,719
those would be coordinated uh as well

2238
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:17,920
with the TDM plan required uh compliance

2239
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:20,400
required uh commute.org type shuttles um

2240
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:22,960
that that uh would need to serve both

2241
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:24,800
the project site and and Brisbane and

2242
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:28,400
the high quality transit services that

2243
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:31,119
are available. Next slide.

2244
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,840
So just thinking about how how this site

2245
01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:36,080
connects to regional destinations, you

2246
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,679
really have your um in terms of how the

2247
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,520
roadway and trail network works. You

2248
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:41,840
have your regional connections,

2249
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:43,520
multimmoal connections via Geneva Avenue

2250
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,760
being your your kind of biggest

2251
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,840
connection there. Um Beayshore and

2252
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:49,840
Tunnel and Sier Point are all serving in

2253
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,840
their own roles with the Bay Trail

2254
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,239
connecting into, you know, San Francisco

2255
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,119
and down to Sierra Point via other kind

2256
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:59,440
of planned uh connections. And then you

2257
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:01,280
have a a main street class one trail

2258
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:03,840
that would provide safe routes to school

2259
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:06,320
access um between the proposed middle

2260
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:09,040
school um and the students who live in

2261
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:11,440
BA bay lands and going to the Beayshore

2262
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:14,239
Heights neighborhood elementary school.

2263
01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:15,600
» Um and then once again that internal

2264
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:18,480
that's a little bit larger. Great.

2265
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:20,239
Thanks. and then your internal uh trail

2266
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:22,560
network that's connects kind of down the

2267
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:26,320
carfree spine down the middle of the

2268
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:29,560
specific plan area down into into town.

2269
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,560
Next slide.

2270
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:36,320
So just briefly on the Geneva Avenue

2271
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:38,000
extension um as this is really the one

2272
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,880
of the most critical additions as I

2273
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:43,040
mentioned um as shown here you would

2274
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:45,119
have a consistent cross-section um

2275
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,600
within and this is what's shown in the

2276
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:50,159
2026 specific plan consistent

2277
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,159
cross-section with four vehicle travel

2278
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:53,840
lanes and then two BRT lanes down the

2279
01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:56,480
middle to provide that planned BRT

2280
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:59,679
service um with stops um within the

2281
01:39:56,480 --> 01:40:02,320
specific plan area itself. Um, and this

2282
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:05,679
would be uh once again connecting over a

2283
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:08,880
new bridge uh over Cal Train and then to

2284
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:11,119
the planned uh candlestick

2285
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:12,960
uh to the planned candlestick uh

2286
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:15,679
interchange rebuild as planned through

2287
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:20,800
the by county study from about a little

2288
01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:22,880
over a decade ago. Next slide.

2289
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:24,960
Now shifting gears from the specific

2290
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:27,520
plan to the Beayshore mobility plan. So,

2291
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:30,480
this is a city city-led effort um

2292
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:32,800
looking at the city's general plan. Um

2293
01:40:30,480 --> 01:40:34,639
and there are wide variety of goals here

2294
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:36,639
that are associated with the mo the

2295
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:38,800
mobility plan to just improve

2296
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:40,800
connectivity and improve the road as a

2297
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:43,040
local street compared to a regional

2298
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:45,119
role. And so, just thinking about this

2299
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:47,520
one uh primary goal is called out in the

2300
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:49,920
general plan for reducing beayshore's

2301
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:52,480
role as a regional cut through traffic.

2302
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:54,239
um really recognizing that there's you

2303
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:56,080
know it serves today primarily regional

2304
01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:59,520
route there's continued growth around

2305
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:03,280
and how what can be what can the city do

2306
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:05,760
to reduce that role um so today you have

2307
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:08,080
six north south lanes I'm just looking

2308
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:10,159
at beayshore and tunnel and then next

2309
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:13,119
slide

2310
01:41:10,159 --> 01:41:15,119
if you were to include uh the ba full

2311
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:17,280
beayshore mobility plan which would

2312
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:19,679
include a road diet down to two lanes on

2313
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:21,360
beayshore and then plus the Tunnel

2314
01:41:19,679 --> 01:41:24,159
Avenue and the extension of Sear Point

2315
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:26,159
Parkway and and the Geneva Avenue

2316
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:27,600
extension. You can see, you know, just

2317
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:30,639
maintaining that north south

2318
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:33,520
connectivity but shifting the load um

2319
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:36,800
back from uh from Beayshore to Sier

2320
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:39,119
Point Parkway and uh Highway 101 and

2321
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:40,719
then Geneva extension most importantly

2322
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:42,320
providing that most direct connection

2323
01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:46,600
for folks that are currently using

2324
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,600
Beayshore. Next slide.

2325
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:52,080
So the staff recommendation is for full

2326
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:54,320
implementation of the beayshore mobility

2327
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:56,080
plan and that includes both mitigations

2328
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:59,040
for safety improvements as well as the

2329
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:01,199
road diet uh from four to two lanes

2330
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:04,159
south of Geneva Avenue and then things

2331
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:07,040
like class one path safer crossings

2332
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:09,199
other other improvements as as well. Um

2333
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,760
and so just thinking about the future

2334
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:14,239
really this is the the critical issue

2335
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:16,080
that's been address been identified in

2336
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:19,600
studies going back to the prior bailand

2337
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,679
zir and the general plan um where you

2338
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,520
know regional Brisbane's really at the

2339
01:42:21,679 --> 01:42:25,119
heart of being impacted by regional

2340
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:28,400
growth and regional growth is going to

2341
01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:32,080
continue to add traffic to beayshore um

2342
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:34,719
and really uh local traffic is never

2343
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:36,159
expected to exceed two lanes and so this

2344
01:42:34,719 --> 01:42:38,159
this would be one way

2345
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,239
to encourage drivers who are driving

2346
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:38,800
travel driving travel driving travel

2347
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:41,679
driving travel driving traveling through

2348
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:44,679
the city to shift back to 101. Next

2349
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:44,679
slide.

2350
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:49,040
And the planning commission recommended

2351
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:52,080
uh just focusing just adopting only the

2352
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,760
safety related mitigation measures um as

2353
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,520
a part of the Bayore mobility plan.

2354
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:58,560
There's many different components, road

2355
01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:00,639
diet just being one of them and studying

2356
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:02,480
uh whether the continuous class one path

2357
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:05,280
or sidewalk could be done without the

2358
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,119
lane reduction. And so this uh this

2359
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:09,280
approach would address the project's

2360
01:43:07,119 --> 01:43:10,800
impacts. It would uh improve crossings,

2361
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,119
for example, at Main Street for the safe

2362
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:16,159
routes to school access and and crossing

2363
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:18,159
at Geneva as well. Um as well as uh

2364
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:20,880
adding features to slow vehicles, but

2365
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:22,719
just broader speed kind of speeding

2366
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:24,880
issues or regional cut through traffic

2367
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:28,000
um could still be an issue um in the

2368
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:29,600
future. Um, but you would without the a

2369
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:32,159
road diet, you would continue to be able

2370
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:34,000
to have at least at minimum a sidewalk,

2371
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:35,440
um, if not a pathway on most of the

2372
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:38,400
sections, at least that are not

2373
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:40,400
constrained. Um, and while adding things

2374
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:42,080
like protected intersections for people

2375
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,560
walking and biking across the street,

2376
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:45,760
high visibility crossings with medians,

2377
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,600
and other features that have been

2378
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:50,320
identified in past studies, such as the

2379
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:53,520
city's local road safety plan, um, and

2380
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:56,560
SAM Trans bus stop improvement plans.

2381
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:58,239
And so with that, that's the extent of

2382
01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:01,360
my presentation today.

2383
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:03,760
» Okay. Thank you very much. And I al I

2384
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:06,239
understand the uh applicant staff has

2385
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:09,800
also a report to make. Katie, is that

2386
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,800
you? Okay.

2387
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:22,560
Give a minute to get the slides up.

2388
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:26,000
Hi again. I'm Katie Lo Sunday with the

2389
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:27,920
Bayands team and I'm also joined with um

2390
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,600
representatives from Nelson Nygard who

2391
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:34,239
are the transportation planners that

2392
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:38,000
worked on um the specific plan.

2393
01:44:34,239 --> 01:44:41,600
So if we go to the next slide

2394
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:43,040
and so I actually have a video here.

2395
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:45,199
Um, so I'd like to start our

2396
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:47,119
presentation tonight with this video

2397
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:51,199
which provides actually a more detailed

2398
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:53,040
3D uh rendering of the Baylands. And as

2399
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:54,960
you watch this video, I think one of the

2400
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:57,920
things that comes through is how much

2401
01:44:54,960 --> 01:45:01,199
thought has gone into the Baylands. This

2402
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:02,719
is a large complicated site. And from

2403
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:04,400
the beginning, our goal has been to

2404
01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:06,880
create a place that feels like a

2405
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:09,280
collection of beautiful interconnected

2406
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:12,159
neighborhoods with walkable streets,

2407
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:14,000
welcoming public spaces, connections to

2408
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:15,760
transit, and a strong relationship

2409
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:18,320
between the built environment and the

2410
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:20,239
landscape. That vision has benefited

2411
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:23,040
from some of the most respected voices

2412
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:24,880
in urban design. Peter Calthorp served

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01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:27,679
as the lead designer for the Baylands

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01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,520
and his vision shaped the specific plan.

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01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:31,920
He's one of the founders of the new

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01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:34,719
urbanism movement which prioritizes

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01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:37,040
walkable neighborhoods, a mix of uses

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01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:40,239
and places designed for people rather

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01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:43,119
than cars. He is also a recipient of the

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01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:45,440
Urban Land Institutees JC Nichols Prize

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01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:46,960
for visionaries in urban development

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01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:50,480
which is one of the field's most

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01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:52,880
significant honors. That expertise has

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01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:55,520
also been complemented by other highly

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01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:58,159
respected design firms including Gendler

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01:45:55,520 --> 01:46:01,600
and OJB Landscape Architecture who we

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01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:04,719
had with us at last week's meeting.

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01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:06,880
But what matters more than the names or

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01:46:04,719 --> 01:46:09,280
the awards is the experience that we're

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01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:10,960
planning for at the balance. This

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01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:12,960
project will deliver thousands of new

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01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:14,719
homes and a variety of new commercial

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01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:17,360
and retail spaces, all while

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01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:19,040
establishing unique character for each

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01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:21,760
neighborhood.

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01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:24,320
And as we go back to the slides, I'll

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01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:26,239
just make a few more comments on that

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01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:28,400
aerial image. I hope that you can see

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01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:30,639
that the attention that is given not

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01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:34,000
only to the buildings but also to the

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01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:36,960
spaces in between the sidewalks, plazas,

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01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:38,880
parks, trails and gathering spaces, all

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01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:41,360
the things that ultimately determine how

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01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:43,679
a community feels. Of course, a

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01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:45,760
rendering can only show so much and the

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01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:47,520
balance will evolve over many years and

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01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,600
new buildings will be refined as the

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01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:52,320
project develops. And that is why

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01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:54,560
specific plans are such important tools.

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01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,320
They set the framework to guide future

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01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:58,320
development. And as you'll hear about

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01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,560
more tonight, the Balin specific plan

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01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:03,199
establishes a strong foundation for a

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01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,119
place that's walkable, connected,

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01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:07,760
sustainable, and built to a high

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01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:09,360
standard of design.

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01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,440
So tonight, we'll be discussing the

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01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:13,760
circulation network, which is built to

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01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:15,760
accommodate all travel purposes and

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01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,679
modes. And this plan is informed by the

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01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:19,920
city's bicycle and pedestrian master

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01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:23,040
plan and is consistent with the goals in

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01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:26,159
the Brisbane uh general plan circulation

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01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:28,880
element. Uh the network has five goals

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01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:30,719
which you can see here on the slide and

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01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:32,480
you've probably heard us refer to this

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01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:35,119
project as a transit oriented

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01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:37,119
development many times and this map

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01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:38,800
really demonstrates why. Not only is

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01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:41,360
there a Cal Train station in the middle

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01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:45,040
of the bays, but the project is also

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01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:47,360
served by SAM Trans, MUN bus, MUN light

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01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:49,199
rail, and commute.org.

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01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,520
When you combine this transit-rich

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01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:53,360
location with new circulation features

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01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:56,080
at the bays, we have an incredible

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01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:59,440
opportunity to improve commutes, reduce

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01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:03,920
emissions, and reduce our car usage as a

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01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:05,760
whole. Next slide, please. [snorts]

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So creating an entirely new roadway

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01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:10,719
network at the bays gives us an unusual

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01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,880
opportunity to design streets around

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01:48:10,719 --> 01:48:15,840
community experience rather than just

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01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:17,520
moving cars from point A to point B.

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01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,199
Geneva Avenue is a great example that

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01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:22,400
you just heard about. This extension

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01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:24,239
creates a major new east west um

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01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:26,400
connection through the Baylands, but it

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01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:29,119
is designed to still accommodate people

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01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:32,480
walking, biking, taking transit, and

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01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:34,400
also driving. The Geneva Avenue design

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01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:36,400
also recognizes that this regional

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01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,880
arterial roadway will pass alongside

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01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:40,320
homes and neighborhood destinations. And

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01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:43,040
the plan therefore incorporates

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01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:45,360
landscaping, generous pedestrian areas,

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01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:47,040
protected bicycle facilities, and

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01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:49,679
carefully designed crossings to

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01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:51,600
prioritize pedestrian safety and

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01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:53,760
maintain the walkable neighborhood

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01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:55,520
environment. As you move away from

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01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,199
Geneva, the character of the streets

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01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:59,040
deliberately changes. Again, you just

2504
01:48:57,199 --> 01:49:00,719
heard a little bit about this, but the

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01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:03,760
collector streets such as Balen's

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01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:05,440
Boulevard, Main Street, Campus Parkway,

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01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,840
these all distribute traffic throughout

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01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:10,000
the project at slower speeds while

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01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:13,040
providing sidewalks and protected

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01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,800
bicycle facilities. The Balin's roadway

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01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:17,360
network also introduces a new street

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01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:19,760
type. Um, these are called green shared

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01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:22,159
streets. These slow streets provide

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01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:25,040
access to residences and prioritize

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01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:27,760
pedestrian and bicycle uses while still

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01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:29,199
allowing for some vehicle access. As you

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01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,000
can see in this rendering, which is on

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01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:34,159
the bottom right side of the slide,

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01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:36,800
these curbless streets use signature

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01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:39,119
paving as well as landscaping and street

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01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:40,560
furniture to create a sense of ease and

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01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:44,320
comfort.

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01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:46,239
And then another new element of the 2026

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01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,719
specific plan um that you just heard

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01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:50,639
about is the beayhore mobility plan. And

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01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:52,880
although this plan was studied as part

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01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:55,840
of the squa process for the bayands, I

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01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:57,840
do want to clarify that this was a city

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01:49:55,840 --> 01:50:00,320
proposal and it is not part of the

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01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:02,080
specific plan project that BDI had

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01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:05,639
proposed.

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01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,639
Next slide, please.

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01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:09,600
The same attention to safety and our

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01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:11,920
roadway design carries throughout the

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01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,840
broader bicycle and pedestrian network.

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01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:16,960
The balance has a comprehensive system

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01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:19,840
of on and off streetet bikeways

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01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:22,320
running north, south, and east, west.

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01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:24,960
Um, these will enable people to safely

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01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:27,920
ride bicycles and other mobility devices

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01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:30,000
for everyday trips. The table on this

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01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:32,159
slide explains some of the bicycle

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01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:34,239
facility types. All of these put safety

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01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:36,480
first, but the design varies based on

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01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:38,639
location. So, for example, busier

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01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:40,880
roadways such as the extension of Geneva

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01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:42,880
Avenue will have protected bike lanes to

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01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:45,760
provide physical separation between

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01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:48,320
bikes and moving vehicles.

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01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:50,159
Connectivity is a central theme that you

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01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:52,560
will hear a lot about tonight and the

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01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:54,560
bicycle network is a core part of that.

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01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,480
These bike paths provide connectivity

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01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:58,320
not only throughout the Baylands, but

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01:50:56,480 --> 01:51:00,320
they also connect people to existing

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01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:02,400
bike networks and they facilitate trips

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01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:04,480
to downtown Brisbane, adjacent

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01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:06,239
neighborhoods and to the Beayshore Cal

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01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:08,239
Train Station.

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01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:10,800
I also want to note that recent data

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01:51:08,239 --> 01:51:13,840
from transportation research record

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01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:16,159
shows that building a low stress

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01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,960
connected bike network is the most

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01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:20,800
reliable way to increase ridership. And

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01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:24,320
that's why the balance is designed to

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01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:26,880
feel safe and comfortable for all users,

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01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:30,239
whether you need to drive or you want to

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01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:32,400
try biking or getting around on foot.

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01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:34,960
Next slide, please.

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01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:36,960
Also, I'm sorry for my voice. Uh, the

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01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:38,639
balance is, as I mentioned, designed to

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01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:40,960
strengthen connections to the region's

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01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:43,440
extensive transit network. And as part

2574
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:45,840
of the strategy, new shuttle routes will

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01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:48,400
integrate the balance into existing

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01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:51,840
routes that connect Brisbane transit.

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01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:53,920
There are also five mobility hubs within

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01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:56,960
the bayens that are intended to provide

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01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:59,199
both first and last mile transportation

2580
01:51:56,960 --> 01:52:01,520
solutions. So, if you look at the the

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01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:03,840
little circles that are on the slide

2582
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:06,000
here on the map, uh, one example could

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01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:08,000
be that someone exits the Beayshore Cal

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01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:10,400
Train station, they could walk to that

2585
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:13,520
micromobility or that mobility hub,

2586
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:14,880
excuse me, at um the Cal Train Plaza and

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01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,960
then from there they could either pick

2588
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:19,119
up the shuttle or they could get some

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01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:21,440
sort of mobility device like a bike

2590
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:24,440
share or a scooter to get to their final

2591
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:24,440
destination.

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01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:29,280
Uh this is also a key part of the

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01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:31,199
transportation demand management program

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01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:33,280
which will provide public infrastructure

2595
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:36,000
and programming that enables people to

2596
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:38,159
be less dependent on cars. Some examples

2597
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:40,639
of TDM measures also include bike

2598
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:44,239
parking facilities, subsidized transit

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01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:46,800
passes and unbundled parking. So taken

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01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:48,880
all together, this plan is intended to

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01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,239
really reduce reliance on cars and

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01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,560
provide a comfortable and safe

2603
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:55,280
environment for people to get around in

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01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:57,199
any way that they'd like to. We go to

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01:52:55,280 --> 01:53:00,080
the next slide.

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01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:01,920
That will wrap up my presentation for

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01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:03,520
tonight. Thank you for listening and we

2608
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:03,840
are happy to take any questions that you

2609
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:04,480
have.

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01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,480
» Okay. Thank you.

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01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:09,280
» Thank you Katie.

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01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,880
So again in in this particular topic

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01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:13,040
we're going to divide it into three

2614
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,040
sections. The first section I'll just

2615
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:18,960
read them all first. First section will

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01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:21,040
be on street sections. The second se

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01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:23,199
section will be on interface with

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01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:26,400
regional transportation

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01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:29,040
network. The third will be on the Geneva

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01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:32,880
Avenue extension. We'll start with

2621
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:34,880
street sections and Mayor Prom Davis,

2622
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:38,000
you're up with your first again if we

2623
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:42,239
could each ask one question at a time.

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01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:46,480
» Yeah. Um, this one's a little bit long,

2625
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:48,560
so apologies in advance, but um, first

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01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:50,400
of all, I just want to thank the

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01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:53,040
developer for that presentation because

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01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:54,880
this is really

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01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,719
the

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01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:59,440
best

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01:53:56,719 --> 01:54:02,480
um, example I feel that you've given of

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01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:05,760
what the future development might look

2633
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:07,599
and feel like. Um, and just to kind of

2634
01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:11,599
have that,

2635
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:13,520
um, sort of drone style footage,

2636
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:16,800
I think really gives much more of a

2637
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:20,320
sense of what we may be able to expect,

2638
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:23,119
um, compared to just renderings. So,

2639
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:25,040
thank you for putting that together. Um,

2640
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:26,800
I do have a fundamental concern about

2641
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:30,639
the concept of green shared streets.

2642
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:34,639
They seem really cool and I'd love for

2643
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:36,800
them to work. I just um I'm concerned

2644
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:38,800
about streets as places where

2645
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:43,040
pedestrians, bicyclists, and vehicles

2646
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:46,239
are all mixing within the same space. Um

2647
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:48,159
and I don't think that

2648
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:51,360
this is necessarily an appropriate

2649
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:52,800
pedestrian environment for the bays. Um

2650
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:54,080
particularly given the amount of

2651
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:57,119
residential commercial development

2652
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:00,000
contemplated here. And I have no problem

2653
01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:04,560
with traffic calming and 15, you know,

2654
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:06,159
mileph targets to reduce speeds, but um

2655
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,920
I don't think they really change the

2656
01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:09,920
fact that the pedestrians and moving

2657
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:12,880
vehicles are as being asked to occupy

2658
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:15,760
the same space. And so if this is the

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01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:19,040
council's pleasure, I would like to see

2660
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:21,679
us consider removing the concept of the

2661
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:24,480
green shared streets and provide a more

2662
01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:26,400
conventional separated pedestrian

2663
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:29,040
facilities on these streets with clear

2664
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:31,360
clearly defined space for vehicles and

2665
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:33,840
bicycles and pedestrians.

2666
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:38,800
Um,

2667
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:43,280
so and I and I know that um

2668
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:45,360
I I can see why you've wanted to include

2669
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,199
this. I just I know that there have been

2670
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,880
other places that this has been done in

2671
01:55:47,199 --> 01:55:52,719
the country and there were some

2672
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:56,400
significant issues and so

2673
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:58,560
yeah, it just is concern for me. Okay.

2674
01:55:56,400 --> 01:56:02,080
» Thank you,

2675
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:02,080
Council Member Kern.

2676
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:07,440
Thank you so much. Um I in general just

2677
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:10,960
have um some concerns about the green

2678
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:13,280
shared streets. Um I um I know that I've

2679
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:17,040
experienced Argyle Street in the city of

2680
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:19,760
Chicago which was uh turned into uh sort

2681
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:21,520
of a commercial retail retrofit uh to

2682
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:23,040
make spent space for their night market.

2683
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:25,119
So they got rid of curbs, they got rid

2684
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:28,639
of uh sidewalks, everything just sort of

2685
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:30,800
flows together. Um, like uh, Mayor Prom

2686
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:33,520
Davis said, it is an amazing concept.

2687
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:34,880
Um, and uh, I enjoy visiting there when

2688
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,400
I'm in Chicago, but I don't know how

2689
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,800
that how well that works in a

2690
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:40,880
neighborhood uh, with children present

2691
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,560
and uh, children running about and

2692
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:44,880
combining that with cars, bicycles, and

2693
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:46,080
any other uh, mobility devices. So, that

2694
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:47,360
was just a comment, not really a

2695
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:51,760
question. Thank you.

2696
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:55,440
» Okay, Council Member Lent.

2697
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:57,440
» Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor. Um,

2698
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,960
yeah. In regards to the green shared

2699
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:02,080
streets, if you wouldn't mind providing

2700
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:03,360
some examples of neighborhood type green

2701
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:06,080
shared streets. I I hear what you're

2702
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:09,199
saying, council member Kurt, about uh

2703
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:12,719
you know, activating more of a retail

2704
01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:17,040
kind of environment. Um, so that that

2705
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:18,960
would be great. Um, so my my question is

2706
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:21,360
in regards to the bicycle sharing. So

2707
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,960
Katie, you you did mention about bicycle

2708
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:25,440
sharing and in the sustainability

2709
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:27,360
framework, it it talks about bicycle

2710
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:29,599
sharing a lot, but I didn't I didn't

2711
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:32,480
really see it in the specific plan.

2712
01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:36,159
Maybe I missed it. So um but it sounds

2713
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:38,000
like that is something that you're um

2714
01:57:36,159 --> 01:57:40,400
going to be implementing and then if you

2715
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,280
wouldn't mind sharing with us how you

2716
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:43,599
would do that.

2717
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:46,400
» Yeah. Um bike sharing is a key part of

2718
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:48,000
that TDM program that I mentioned. So,

2719
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:50,719
uh, transportation demand management

2720
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:53,840
usually offers a menu of options for

2721
01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:56,159
folks to be less reliant on cars and a

2722
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:58,239
bike share is a big part of that. How

2723
01:57:56,159 --> 01:57:59,520
the bike share actually is implemented

2724
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:02,239
um, could be done in a lot of different

2725
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:04,000
ways. So, for example, we could um, you

2726
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:06,239
know, extend an existing bike share

2727
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,840
program into the bays. We could create a

2728
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:09,280
new program and that could be funded

2729
01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:12,239
through sponsorships like if you've seen

2730
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:13,520
the lift bikes or things like that. Um

2731
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:15,360
there's a lot of different ways you can

2732
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:18,159
go about operating that program, but

2733
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:19,920
bike sharing is definitely um planned to

2734
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:22,960
be incorporated as part of the

2735
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,960
development so that folks can um do that

2736
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:25,599
first and last mile transportation as I

2737
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,199
mentioned.

2738
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:30,239
» Got it. Got it. Okay. So that'll be a

2739
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:33,599
part part of your TDM plan, not not the

2740
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:35,280
cities, right? Is that is that separate?

2741
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:40,280
Is that maybe that's a question just for

2742
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:40,280
staff in regards to the bicycle sharing.

2743
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:47,119
So the city has a required set of TDM

2744
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:49,199
program measures and then the developer

2745
01:58:47,119 --> 01:58:50,960
the specific plan does identify

2746
01:58:49,199 --> 01:58:54,080
additional measures as well that they

2747
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:57,119
are proposing to just fulfill the vision

2748
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:58,400
as you just heard from there. Um if you

2749
01:58:57,119 --> 01:59:00,719
give me a second I can double check

2750
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:02,719
whether bike share was in the uh the

2751
01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:05,199
city's required one or not.

2752
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:07,119
» Okay. Thank you.

2753
01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:09,199
Did you

2754
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:14,679
do you want us to move on while you look

2755
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:14,679
that up or is that at at hand?

2756
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:18,320
» Uh I can have it in 20 seconds.

2757
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:19,599
» Yeah,

2758
01:59:18,320 --> 01:59:23,040
» 20 seconds. We can wait.

2759
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:25,280
» It's also I in the the TDM measure

2760
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:29,599
that's in the the specific plan chapter

2761
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:31,440
6. I see it on page 646 about bike share

2762
01:59:29,599 --> 01:59:35,840
and shared micromobility would be one of

2763
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:38,560
the physical features used as as TDM

2764
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:41,119
um including a shared fleet of of bikes,

2765
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:44,239
cargo bikes and scooters

2766
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:46,560
um for multimmoal trips through the plan

2767
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:50,719
area. Is that a consideration or

2768
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:52,639
something that is a shall?

2769
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:54,480
» So, it's not I was able to confirm it's

2770
01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:57,599
not within the cities because there is

2771
01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:01,040
no no program uh right now in Sano

2772
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:05,920
County. So, Brisbane can't require it as

2773
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:07,599
as as a a TDM measure, but from what

2774
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,920
you've heard from the developer, like

2775
02:00:07,599 --> 02:00:12,400
that's one of their key strategies. that

2776
02:00:09,920 --> 02:00:15,520
would be a a an I guess you call it an

2777
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:18,239
optional strategy but um to fulfill the

2778
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:19,840
vision um and and also to hit the the

2779
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:21,520
targets that they've identified in terms

2780
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,960
of reducing the amount of traffic the

2781
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,800
project generates.

2782
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:26,400
» All right. Thank thank you for uh

2783
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:28,719
incorporating that.

2784
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:32,159
» Council member Okonnell,

2785
02:00:28,719 --> 02:00:33,679
» Thank you. Um I found the video

2786
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:38,080
interesting.

2787
02:00:33,679 --> 02:00:40,080
It did show Cal Train tracks at grade

2788
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,599
with the development

2789
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:46,400
and

2790
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:48,313
in our specific plan and I might be

2791
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,480
looking at the older one

2792
02:00:48,313 --> 02:00:51,119
» [clears throat]

2793
02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:54,480
» Um 6-21

2794
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:58,480
it shows Cal Train tracks at grade with

2795
02:00:54,480 --> 02:01:02,960
frontage road in the development. So I

2796
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:06,639
don't understand how if they are raising

2797
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:09,520
the level of where buildings are going

2798
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:16,440
to be and putting them on pads and all

2799
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:16,440
that how Calra tracks are at grade.

2800
02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:20,760
So do we have an answer for that?

2801
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:27,360
And is it the developer's responsibility

2802
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:30,234
to pay for Cal Train to be come at

2803
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:32,254
grade?

2804
02:01:30,234 --> 02:01:32,254
[laughter]

2805
02:01:41,280 --> 02:01:45,840
Uh we would like to look into this a

2806
02:01:43,679 --> 02:01:48,639
little further and uh this could be part

2807
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,520
of our phasing discussion in uh in the

2808
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:51,360
next meeting.

2809
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,880
» Great. Thank you.

2810
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,320
» Okay.

2811
02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:57,199
I'm going to go back to the green

2812
02:01:54,320 --> 02:02:00,239
streets and I'm going to kind of parlay

2813
02:01:57,199 --> 02:02:02,960
off of what has already been said and

2814
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:06,080
reading it. It's a wonderful interesting

2815
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:08,400
concept. I could see it in a a city with

2816
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,920
very short blocks with very little

2817
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:13,040
traffic

2818
02:02:09,920 --> 02:02:15,679
and my concern is UPS, FedEx, Amazon,

2819
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:17,840
postal service vehicles, and there's no

2820
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:19,760
parking or loading zones. So, they're

2821
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,199
going to double park and then you're

2822
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:25,119
going to have people with their chase

2823
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:28,320
lounges in the other lane. And my bigger

2824
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:30,560
fear is

2825
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:33,840
since we have these arterials north

2826
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:35,599
south, some existing and some new ones,

2827
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:38,000
the people who will discover these

2828
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:40,000
streets for shortcuts and the danger

2829
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:43,760
that that would pose to the pedestrians.

2830
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:47,040
So, mine is kind of a comment and kind

2831
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:50,320
of a again request to revisit this. I

2832
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:52,400
think maybe just considering the area

2833
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:54,320
and everything surrounding it, it's

2834
02:02:52,400 --> 02:02:56,960
still kind of industrial and we're

2835
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:59,440
putting kids in the street. Um, I'm not

2836
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:01,040
sure it's going to be uh something that

2837
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:03,679
would be

2838
02:03:01,040 --> 02:03:06,080
» Viable there. So, that's a question

2839
02:03:03,679 --> 02:03:06,560
comment from me. We're moving back again

2840
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:08,560
to

2841
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:11,599
» Madame Mayor, we we do have a response

2842
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:13,760
if uh you would like to uh just get a

2843
02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:16,080
little more information on that.

2844
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:18,800
» Yeah. So, a couple things. Um the design

2845
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:22,080
standards for one do require this

2846
02:03:18,800 --> 02:03:24,800
follows FHWA guidelines require two

2847
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,800
things. One a separated ADA accessible

2848
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:29,119
pathway. So you can think of that as

2849
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:31,760
your sidewalk. So pedestrians will

2850
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:35,840
always have a place to be outside of the

2851
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:39,599
the mixed oper the mixed area. Um and

2852
02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:42,480
secondly um it also includes loading

2853
02:03:39,599 --> 02:03:45,840
parking and loading within the street.

2854
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:47,920
So you can imagine that there is a 20ft

2855
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:49,280
rightway that probably will move from

2856
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:52,159
one side of the street to the other

2857
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:54,560
using a traffic calming feature called

2858
02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:56,239
tra uh horizontal deflection making sure

2859
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:59,840
that cars are not driving straight

2860
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:02,800
through um easily. And on the other side

2861
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:05,440
there will be uh space for planting. Um

2862
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:08,320
there will be space for bike parking uh

2863
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:11,920
loading uh parking. Um, and the city

2864
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:14,480
would enforce double parking uh in the

2865
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:16,000
same way as any other street. Um, so

2866
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:18,159
yeah, it would be it would be illegal

2867
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:21,199
for for Amazon vehicles to be double

2868
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:24,400
parking in the in the in the mixed area.

2869
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:26,080
» Okay, thank you very much.

2870
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:30,599
» Back to questions. Council member

2871
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:30,599
O'Connell, you're teed up first.

2872
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:40,239
Again, on the on the green streets, some

2873
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:43,280
of them [clears throat] show emptying

2874
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:46,880
onto main streets that are not part of

2875
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:49,760
the specific plan. And

2876
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:54,159
in the

2877
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:57,920
specific plan, they were talking 84 cars

2878
02:04:54,159 --> 02:05:00,560
per hour. Um 1,000 cars per 24 hours

2879
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:03,599
average on these green streets, which is

2880
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:06,800
84 cars per hour using a 12-h hour

2881
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:09,679
period, which is two per minute. It

2882
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:12,639
does. When we had our

2883
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:15,119
as an antidote, when we had our

2884
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:17,840
Halloween event, we closed off our

2885
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:20,639
streets so kids could be in the street

2886
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:24,560
and use them. So, I don't understand how

2887
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:26,560
those two things work when they're

2888
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:30,800
anticipating

2889
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:31,280
one car every two minutes.

2890
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:36,480
I

2891
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:38,800
» In their analysis per page 6-18.

2892
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:41,599
» So to clarify that so the thousand

2893
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:44,480
vehicle threshold is is the maximum that

2894
02:05:41,599 --> 02:05:46,560
the city would so there is a mitigation

2895
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:49,920
measure built into the EIR that

2896
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:51,360
describes using both what FHWA has

2897
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,880
recommended for these types of

2898
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:54,880
residential

2899
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:57,119
um shared streets that are you know kind

2900
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:59,119
of in many cities across the country.

2901
02:05:57,119 --> 02:06:01,520
Um, and so they have a threshold for

2902
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:04,239
making sure that you don't the exceed

2903
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:06,080
1,000 vehicles and you don't exceed 15

2904
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:08,080
miles per hour. The city of San

2905
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:10,080
Francisco has been using that as its

2906
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:12,560
threshold for slow streets, for example,

2907
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:13,599
which are quite a bit wider, as you're

2908
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:16,000
probably aware, cuz you're they're

2909
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:17,920
repercing existing streets. So, they

2910
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:21,119
have to do a lot more to make sure that

2911
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:22,960
there aren't a,000 vehicles in 15 mph.

2912
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:25,119
uh they've done extensive studies that

2913
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:27,599
have showed collisions have dro dropped

2914
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:30,000
substantially since they implemented

2915
02:06:27,599 --> 02:06:32,239
those programs because cars are moving

2916
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:33,440
very slowly. Cars know that they when

2917
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:35,599
they're there, they're in a shared

2918
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:37,199
space. So, there is quite a bit of

2919
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:38,719
evidence out there about these and

2920
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:40,480
studies about these these types of

2921
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:42,320
streets. I just wanted to bring to your

2922
02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:44,320
attention and and a mitigation measure

2923
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:48,400
that the city would be required to

2924
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:51,360
monitor safety on those streets.

2925
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:54,320
» Thank you.

2926
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:56,400
Mayor Prom Davis.

2927
02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:57,599
» Um, I don't have any more on street

2928
02:06:56,400 --> 02:07:00,000
street sections.

2929
02:06:57,599 --> 02:07:02,719
» Okay.

2930
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:04,960
» Council member Kern. [clears throat]

2931
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:07,199
» No further questions on streets.

2932
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:12,119
» Council member Lent.

2933
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:12,119
» Um, thank you, Madam Mayor. So, um,

2934
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:16,639
all right. So page 38 of the

2935
02:07:14,159 --> 02:07:18,960
sustainability framework talks about uh

2936
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:20,560
free shuttle service connecting central

2937
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:22,719
Brisbane

2938
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:27,880
uh the northeast ridge and Sierra Point

2939
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:27,880
with the baylands and emerg

2940
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:38,079
it it goes from 6 to 10 Monday through

2941
02:07:33,679 --> 02:07:41,520
Friday and Saturdays uh 8 to 10 and then

2942
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:43,199
on Sundays from 9:00 to 7. So, in the

2943
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:46,000
the

2944
02:07:43,199 --> 02:07:48,000
in the specific plan, you know, at

2945
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:52,079
6.5.1,

2946
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:55,520
um the Bayand shuttle routes, um

2947
02:07:52,079 --> 02:07:58,719
you know, it has a map and it it um the

2948
02:07:55,520 --> 02:08:01,920
the schedule is is pretty similar to the

2949
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:04,719
commute.org schedule. So, I'm just kind

2950
02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:06,320
of curious like, you know, it makes it

2951
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:08,560
sound like you're providing the shuttle

2952
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:12,400
for us, but it really seems like it's

2953
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:15,760
just kind of overlaying the commute.org

2954
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:17,360
shuttle at the same time. So, if you

2955
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:22,280
wouldn't mind kind of clarifying that,

2956
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:22,280
like how is it different?

2957
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:30,560
» Um, if we could maybe bring back up the

2958
02:08:27,599 --> 02:08:32,480
slide with the shuttle.

2959
02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:35,599
um map on it. I'm sorry. I think it was

2960
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:37,760
slide six maybe.

2961
02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:39,679
Um but to answer your question, there's

2962
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:42,320
the shuttle routes are going to be

2963
02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:45,280
serving different purposes.

2964
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:46,560
Um here, yes, I think we Sorry, it's a

2965
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:49,199
little small, so it's a little hard to

2966
02:08:46,560 --> 02:08:52,000
read. Um so yes, there's an existing

2967
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:54,480
commute.org or shuttle that will connect

2968
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:56,639
into the Baylands, but also there's

2969
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:58,639
plans for a Bayland specific shuttle

2970
02:08:56,639 --> 02:09:01,280
which will run, you know, as you can

2971
02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:04,400
see, uh, not only within the Baylands,

2972
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:07,440
but also go to downtown central Brisbane

2973
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:10,000
as well to connect folks there. So,

2974
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:11,520
these are are different shuttles, um,

2975
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:13,520
and they will operate in different ways.

2976
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:16,639
And of course, we've suggested a phased

2977
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:18,320
out approach to the shuttle because on,

2978
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:21,119
you know, day one, we're not going to

2979
02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:23,360
have the the demand for the full shuttle

2980
02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:25,280
capacity. So, that will ramp up as we

2981
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:27,040
have more commuters and more folks

2982
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,639
living at the bays and there's more

2983
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,920
demand for the shuttle.

2984
02:09:28,639 --> 02:09:32,159
» Yeah. Yeah. You know, the framework

2985
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:34,639
though it calls out for shuttles also

2986
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:37,599
going to the Northeast Ridge and also

2987
02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:40,239
going to Sar Point, you know, making

2988
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:43,440
those connections. So, I'm just curious

2989
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:48,079
why that that wasn't a a part of your

2990
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:50,079
shuttle um route uh schedule. Um and I

2991
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:51,920
understand that right there different uh

2992
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,599
shuttles. I mean, one's going to be a

2993
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:56,800
commute.org or shuttle and another one's

2994
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:58,159
going to be a baylands one. But this

2995
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:02,560
route that you're showing here, as you

2996
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:04,400
can see, it's as it impacts Brisbane.

2997
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:07,599
For the most part, except for a little

2998
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:09,360
part of downtown Brisbane, it's kind of

2999
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:11,040
serving the same people.

3000
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:13,280
» Yeah, I I think I'd have to look into

3001
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:14,880
that a little bit more since the ridge

3002
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:16,800
and Sierra Point aren't part of the

3003
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:19,360
specific plan project area. They're

3004
02:10:16,800 --> 02:10:21,119
obviously not featured on this map. Um

3005
02:10:19,360 --> 02:10:22,800
but we can dig into that a little bit

3006
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:24,960
and and chat with staff about what the

3007
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:26,400
existing shuttle connections are with

3008
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:28,480
those areas.

3009
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:30,000
» Yeah, that that'd be great. And then um

3010
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:32,480
you know, it also says that the shuttle

3011
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:35,520
route shall be implemented before a

3012
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:37,760
certificate of occupancy is issued for

3013
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:40,000
more than 50% of the permitted

3014
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:44,560
commercial floor area. So, I'm just

3015
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:49,520
curious like what if there's um 49%

3016
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:52,000
built is do you is that you know you

3017
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:54,880
know because 50% triggers the to do the

3018
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:58,040
route. If you don't do the 50% you're

3019
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,040
not obligated.

3020
02:10:58,239 --> 02:11:03,920
So, yeah. Um

3021
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:05,679
what there's several layers of

3022
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:06,800
obligations here that the project is

3023
02:11:05,679 --> 02:11:10,079
going to be held to.

3024
02:11:06,800 --> 02:11:11,920
» Okay. Um the first thing that the

3025
02:11:10,079 --> 02:11:13,599
project is going to be obligated to any

3026
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:17,280
individual buildings will have to

3027
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:19,840
contribute to commute.org or shuttles

3028
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:22,800
and as a part of their TDM program and

3029
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:25,599
so that's a required part of the city's

3030
02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:27,920
program and so what you can imagine and

3031
02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:30,159
what has happened you know in many other

3032
02:11:27,920 --> 02:11:32,880
communities uh I'll use Berling game as

3033
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:35,119
an example where as new development

3034
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:37,280
comes online they are increase the

3035
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:39,840
frequency of their shuttle services they

3036
02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:42,719
update their routes um their their

3037
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:45,280
shuttles are not kind of fixed uh they

3038
02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:47,360
they serve as demand flows and So you

3039
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:49,199
can imagine as the demand would increase

3040
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:51,280
they would have a responsibility for

3041
02:11:49,199 --> 02:11:54,400
commute.org would adjust their shuttle

3042
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:56,560
to serve the project. So what what the

3043
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:59,520
obligations with respect to the bailand

3044
02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:03,599
specific shuttle um which presumably

3045
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:05,199
they would select an operator to do that

3046
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:07,360
other developments have selected

3047
02:12:05,199 --> 02:12:09,119
commute.org but um what you just heard

3048
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:11,679
from the developers that it's it could

3049
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:13,440
be something separate as well. Um so

3050
02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:16,480
there will be obligations in kind of

3051
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:19,520
zero through 50 but what what the

3052
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:21,599
specific glance says is that by the 50th

3053
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:23,360
occupancy you need to have these routes

3054
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:26,800
in place.

3055
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:28,159
» Okay. So I think you answered my

3056
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:32,560
question.

3057
02:12:28,159 --> 02:12:35,199
» So obviously commute.org's going to be

3058
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:37,920
um you know doing their route. They're

3059
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:41,679
doing it now whether the bailance gets

3060
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:47,360
developed or not. Um,

3061
02:12:41,679 --> 02:12:52,639
but having a a distinct bays shuttle

3062
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:53,920
that only gets triggered after 50%.

3063
02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:56,560
» That's that's correct.

3064
02:12:53,920 --> 02:12:56,960
» Okay. Just having that clarification.

3065
02:12:56,560 --> 02:12:57,920
Thank you.

3066
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:59,840
» Yeah. Thanks.

3067
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:01,599
» Okay.

3068
02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:03,920
» Okay. It's my turn. I'm going to come

3069
02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:07,679
back to Green Streets. You mentioned a

3070
02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:09,679
15 mph speed limit and from my tenure on

3071
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:13,520
the planning commission I believe I was

3072
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:15,760
told unless it's changed a 15 mph speed

3073
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:18,159
limit is uninforcable in the state of

3074
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:19,920
California. Could someone verify that

3075
02:13:18,159 --> 02:13:23,599
for me please?

3076
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:26,239
» Um a 15 mph speed limit is enforceable

3077
02:13:23,599 --> 02:13:29,679
in certain situations such as in school

3078
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:31,440
zones, alleyways and similar types and

3079
02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:33,280
you know the the type of shared street

3080
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:36,000
that is designed here. So San Francisco

3081
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:37,760
enforces 15 mph speed limits on their

3082
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,599
their slow streets is the easiest

3083
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:42,560
comparable example.

3084
02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:43,920
» So the way that this is proposed would

3085
02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:45,280
fit that criteria.

3086
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:47,199
» That that is correct. It follows the

3087
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:50,320
design standards um from the state of

3088
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:51,440
California and from the FHWA for this

3089
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:53,040
type of facility.

3090
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:54,400
» Okay. Very good. Thank you.

3091
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:56,639
» You're welcome.

3092
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:59,280
» Council member Lent. Uh I'm just going

3093
02:13:56,639 --> 02:14:02,079
to verify again. Davis and Kern, no

3094
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:02,800
questions on this. Okay.

3095
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:04,320
» Oh, okay.

3096
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,679
» Council member Lent, you're up again.

3097
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:06,960
» I have shuttle questions, but I'm

3098
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:09,040
assuming that's

3099
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:09,840
» Next. It's actually the shuttle was the

3100
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:11,280
another section.

3101
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:12,800
» Oh, I'm sorry.

3102
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:13,840
» You kind of jumped ahead of us cuz I

3103
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,199
have shuttle questions, too.

3104
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:16,159
» I didn't I didn't know that was in one

3105
02:14:15,199 --> 02:14:18,639
of those things. I apologize.

3106
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:19,920
» It's kind of regional transit.

3107
02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:22,800
» Oh, okay.

3108
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:24,000
» Would be the next section.

3109
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,599
» Got it. Got it.

3110
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:27,599
» We're on street sections.

3111
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:31,280
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I wasn't

3112
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:33,760
sure about that. So um all right. So uh

3113
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:35,440
measure JJ talks about um I mean not

3114
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:39,280
measure J the sustain well the

3115
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:41,440
sustainability framework uh talks about

3116
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:43,760
um you know having detailed plan

3117
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:47,119
reducing personal parking

3118
02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:50,960
and incorporating car share programs and

3119
02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:53,840
shared parking you know between uses.

3120
02:14:50,960 --> 02:14:57,760
But in the specific plan, it has 6 point

3121
02:14:53,840 --> 02:15:00,239
at 6.7 has 11,000 off- streetet parking

3122
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:02,800
spaces. So, I was just wondering how the

3123
02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:04,719
maximum

3124
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:06,480
uh the parking maximums were calculated

3125
02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:09,280
because that just seems like a lot if

3126
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:14,280
we're talking about having a transit

3127
02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:14,280
public transit oriented development.

3128
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:20,560
» I don't know. Would the developer like

3129
02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:22,719
to explain the the framework first?

3130
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:25,119
» Um, sure. I might bring up Megan from

3131
02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:28,560
Nelson Nygard to speak about that. Um,

3132
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:31,199
we actually have a pretty um innovative

3133
02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:33,520
uh parking plan that actually is is very

3134
02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:36,320
limited on parking with the intent of

3135
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:38,079
reducing the number of vehicle trips on

3136
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:41,639
the bays. But I'll let Megan talk about

3137
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:41,639
it a little bit more.

3138
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:48,880
» Hi everyone, Megan. We are from Nelson

3139
02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:50,800
Nygard supporting the Baylands. Um, and

3140
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:53,199
uh, I can tell you a little bit about

3141
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:55,360
how the parking framework was developed.

3142
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:57,040
And if I'm

3143
02:15:55,360 --> 02:16:00,639
uh, not addressing the question

3144
02:15:57,040 --> 02:16:04,719
specifically, let me know. Um but back

3145
02:16:00,639 --> 02:16:08,639
in several years ago when the TDM

3146
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:11,440
measures and parking um management um

3147
02:16:08,639 --> 02:16:13,119
concept were being developed, the team

3148
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:15,440
looked at all of the different land uses

3149
02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:19,920
that were being proposed and looked at

3150
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:24,400
the kind of standard um widely

3151
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:26,079
uh recognized parking demand um parking

3152
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:28,880
generation

3153
02:16:26,079 --> 02:16:33,679
uh numbers that are used across the

3154
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:36,319
country that come from it. Um, and then

3155
02:16:33,679 --> 02:16:38,479
uh identified what would be considered a

3156
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:42,639
baseline number of parking spaces for

3157
02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:45,519
those land uses and then paused and

3158
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:49,040
identified um a preference for reducing

3159
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:52,000
the baseline based on um wanting to

3160
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:54,160
reduce trip generation overall and to

3161
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:58,000
keep all of the development plans

3162
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:59,760
consistent with the goals. and um you

3163
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:02,240
know values around transit oriented

3164
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:04,080
development and went through a few

3165
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:05,439
different scenarios of different

3166
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:07,679
transportation demand management

3167
02:17:05,439 --> 02:17:10,880
measures that could be used to reduce

3168
02:17:07,679 --> 02:17:12,960
parking. Referred to some of the kind of

3169
02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:15,200
researchbased calculations about how

3170
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:17,519
much each measure could reduce parking

3171
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:21,679
demand for different land uses and then

3172
02:17:17,519 --> 02:17:25,519
landed on a 43% reduction. And so that

3173
02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:27,679
11,000 cap for the entire development

3174
02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:29,840
represents um the total number of

3175
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:31,840
parking spaces for all of the different

3176
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:33,840
districts in the development with a

3177
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:37,040
little bit of buffer. Round it up to a

3178
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:40,240
nice round number that gets to um about

3179
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:42,000
41% lower than baseline

3180
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:43,280
» Assuming that those different

3181
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:45,679
transportation demand management

3182
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:47,840
measures are put into place so that

3183
02:17:45,679 --> 02:17:49,359
parking demand can be reduced at each of

3184
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:51,439
those building types. And that's a mix

3185
02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:54,559
of things that have already been talked

3186
02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:56,719
about tonight like um making it easier

3187
02:17:54,559 --> 02:17:59,040
for people to just choose to get around

3188
02:17:56,719 --> 02:18:00,880
without a car, internal trip capture,

3189
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:02,880
having a mix of land uses so that people

3190
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:06,080
who live in the development don't need

3191
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:08,960
to use a car to get everywhere within

3192
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:12,240
this development, having um connections

3193
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:13,679
outside, different um you know modes

3194
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:16,960
available at the mobility hubs that

3195
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:19,040
Katie mentioned. And then uh parking

3196
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:21,840
management, unbundling parking like

3197
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:24,559
Katie mentioned also so that um people

3198
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:26,880
have to opt into parking for different

3199
02:18:24,559 --> 02:18:28,639
uses. It's not automatically included

3200
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:31,599
because automatically including parking

3201
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:33,920
encourages people to use cars for all of

3202
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:36,479
their trips. Um and those things can

3203
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:38,880
apply at residential, office, retail,

3204
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:42,479
and and so on. And um there's

3205
02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:45,679
opportunities to phase the building of

3206
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:48,319
parking. So there can be slightly higher

3207
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:50,240
ratios early in the early phases of

3208
02:18:48,319 --> 02:18:56,000
development to accommodate the parking

3209
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:58,000
demand might be higher um at the uh at

3210
02:18:56,000 --> 02:19:00,080
the points where not all of those TDM

3211
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:03,760
measures are fully robust and in place

3212
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:05,760
and more people are choosing driving for

3213
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:08,319
some of their trips and then as more

3214
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:10,080
development comes online the ratio of

3215
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:12,319
parking to new development can notch

3216
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:13,679
down to reach that total maximum of

3217
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:15,679
11,000.

3218
02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:17,920
Okay. All right. Thank Thank you. That

3219
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:20,719
was very detailed, [clears throat]

3220
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:23,599
» Council Member O'Connell.

3221
02:19:20,719 --> 02:19:27,760
» So, does and this is a question I think

3222
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:29,920
for the for the developer. Um, so that

3223
02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:33,200
means when you're talking about

3224
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:37,359
uncoupling parking, so a home or an

3225
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:38,960
apartment may not have parking with the

3226
02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:43,399
building, you'd have to buy it separate.

3227
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:43,399
That's what uncoupled parking means.

3228
02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:49,200
Not quite. So there is accommodations to

3229
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:50,560
have parking as part of residential

3230
02:19:49,200 --> 02:19:52,080
units. So for example, if you have a

3231
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:54,960
town home, there may be one or two

3232
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:58,479
parking spaces associated with that type

3233
02:19:54,960 --> 02:20:01,600
of um housing. Uh but the unbundled

3234
02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:03,920
parking specifically is generally around

3235
02:20:01,600 --> 02:20:06,640
commercial retail uses and potentially

3236
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:08,640
some for like the apartment highdensity

3237
02:20:06,640 --> 02:20:10,240
residential. So you're having these big

3238
02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:13,680
parking garages rather than reserving

3239
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:15,040
the entire parking garage for one user

3240
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:16,080
where you know maybe it's really full

3241
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:17,280
during the day and then at night

3242
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:19,040
everyone goes home and then you have

3243
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:20,960
this empty parking garage. So instead

3244
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:24,000
those garages are intended to be

3245
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:26,479
unbundled where um anyone who's running

3246
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:29,200
errands, someone who's going to work all

3247
02:20:26,479 --> 02:20:31,600
have access to that same space. Um and

3248
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:34,880
that can be managed through you know

3249
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:38,720
certain reservations or um paid parking

3250
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:41,600
things like that. And then you also just

3251
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:43,840
mentioned that the parking is higher at

3252
02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:45,439
the beginning of the build which means

3253
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:48,240
that the homes are going to get the

3254
02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:49,520
parking and later there will be less

3255
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:51,760
parking available.

3256
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:55,439
» So there's actually a districtbased cap.

3257
02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:57,680
So that 11,000 parking um stalls is for

3258
02:20:55,439 --> 02:21:00,800
the entire development, but each

3259
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:02,240
district also has its own um parking.

3260
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:04,160
Actually, sorry if we wouldn't mind

3261
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:06,240
bringing the slides up again towards the

3262
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:09,120
end. I have a few reference slides and

3263
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:13,040
um in there I think I have a chart with

3264
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:14,399
the district caps but so um exactly we

3265
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:16,960
don't want to have all the parking get

3266
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:18,560
absorbed in those first couple phases of

3267
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:21,120
development and then there's no parking

3268
02:21:18,560 --> 02:21:24,000
left for the end. So, um, if you keep

3269
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:27,520
going towards the end of this deck,

3270
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:29,760
um, there. Oh, back one more. Um, so, as

3271
02:21:27,520 --> 02:21:32,160
you can see, Beayshore District has, um,

3272
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:35,120
1,150.

3273
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:36,800
Roundhouse District, 1,200. So, those

3274
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:40,640
are probably going to be primarily

3275
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:42,160
dedicated to, um, residences. And then

3276
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,439
you have more in the Ice House Hill

3277
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:45,120
district where you have more commercial.

3278
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:46,880
And same on the campus east. And I

3279
02:21:45,120 --> 02:21:48,880
should make a little asterisk here.

3280
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:50,880
wrote, "This chart actually came from

3281
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:53,600
our 2025

3282
02:21:50,880 --> 02:21:56,240
uh developer proposed specific plan."

3283
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:58,479
And so, um, Matt maybe could correct me.

3284
02:21:56,240 --> 02:22:00,479
This may have shifted slightly as some

3285
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:02,960
of the land uses have been adjusted in

3286
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:04,399
the 2026 staff recommended specific

3287
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:07,640
plan.

3288
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:07,640
» Thank you.

3289
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:12,680
» Okay, I have a question on this.

3290
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:21,680
under roadway performance standards. And

3291
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:24,080
this is talking about Beayshore

3292
02:22:21,680 --> 02:22:27,040
and it was uh it was talking about

3293
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:32,160
changes in design speeds along Beayshore

3294
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:34,720
could improve mobility within the city.

3295
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:37,840
And I just I wondered

3296
02:22:34,720 --> 02:22:40,560
that particular wording, did anybody

3297
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:42,800
take into consideration that San Monteo

3298
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:45,520
County CKG

3299
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:47,760
put together the smart lanes which are

3300
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:52,280
actually going to offload traffic from

3301
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:52,280
101 onto Beayshore?

3302
02:22:53,359 --> 02:22:58,399
» Yes. Yes. That's under emergency

3303
02:22:55,439 --> 02:23:02,240
situations. It would uh it would be used

3304
02:22:58,399 --> 02:23:04,240
to divert but beh is not a stateowned

3305
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:05,840
facility.

3306
02:23:04,240 --> 02:23:08,880
Beayshore is owned by the city of

3307
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:13,040
Brisbane. So the city of Brisbane has

3308
02:23:08,880 --> 02:23:15,600
decisions such on such as how much of a

3309
02:23:13,040 --> 02:23:18,160
role it should serve in terms of being

3310
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:21,120
an attractive route for everyday travel

3311
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:24,080
on uh compared to the freeway.

3312
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:26,800
» But we would have no control.

3313
02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:29,359
My knowledge of the smart corridor and

3314
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:32,399
lanes are if if there's an extreme

3315
02:23:29,359 --> 02:23:34,399
slowdown on 101, they will start those

3316
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:37,439
electronic sign boards saying you can

3317
02:23:34,399 --> 02:23:41,200
divert this way

3318
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:43,120
off onto surface streets was was what I

3319
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:44,880
was given as an orientation on those

3320
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:46,240
smart lanes.

3321
02:23:44,880 --> 02:23:48,399
» And I don't know that we would have

3322
02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:51,439
control to say, "Oh no, you can't get

3323
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:54,000
off in Brisbane." [laughter]

3324
02:23:51,439 --> 02:23:57,120
» Do we know?

3325
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:59,280
um in those emergency scenarios it would

3326
02:23:57,120 --> 02:24:00,240
be under CALR that they would um

3327
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:00,640
initiate that

3328
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:03,520
» Right

3329
02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:05,280
» I have looked at the um agreements um

3330
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:07,200
the draft agreement we haven't um

3331
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:09,200
authorized but there's nothing in the

3332
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:12,160
language that says that we cannot change

3333
02:24:09,200 --> 02:24:14,319
the configuration of beayshore

3334
02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:15,840
um so we could still reduce I'm not

3335
02:24:14,319 --> 02:24:17,680
saying I'm not proposing we do that

3336
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:19,359
right now I'm just I'm just saying we

3337
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:20,399
still have control of over what that

3338
02:24:19,359 --> 02:24:22,000
network looks like

3339
02:24:20,399 --> 02:24:23,920
» I understand I'm I'm really just

3340
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:26,319
questioning the wisdom of doing that

3341
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:26,880
knowing that we could have an onslaught

3342
02:24:26,319 --> 02:24:27,600
of traffic.

3343
02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:28,880
» No,

3344
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:31,120
» That we've not seen before.

3345
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:34,720
» It's a good question.

3346
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:39,600
» Well, that's that's my point. All right.

3347
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:40,960
Um, we're back to council member Lent.

3348
02:24:39,600 --> 02:24:45,120
You have more questions?

3349
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:48,319
» Yeah, I have one more. Um, so 6.6, six,

3350
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:50,080
it it talks about a TDM coordinator who

3351
02:24:48,319 --> 02:24:52,080
will be responsible for overseeing all

3352
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:54,399
TDM activities within the Baylands,

3353
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:57,280
including monitoring and reporting. So,

3354
02:24:54,399 --> 02:25:00,479
I'm just curious, is this a a full-time

3355
02:24:57,280 --> 02:25:03,800
position? And if so, also, is it um a

3356
02:25:00,479 --> 02:25:03,800
city position?

3357
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:13,280
It's the type of position. Um, and

3358
02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:15,200
commute.org or has uh manages the

3359
02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:16,960
interface with TDM coordinators and it's

3360
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:19,120
the type of position that for you know

3361
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:21,520
smaller projects it's typically shared

3362
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:25,120
it's um and then as you grow it becomes

3363
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:27,520
yes a much more responsible position um

3364
02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:31,840
uh the specific plan does not designate

3365
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:33,439
you know who who it is um but you know

3366
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:35,120
has a standard process for onboarding

3367
02:25:33,439 --> 02:25:36,720
their TDM coordinators and making sure

3368
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,680
that that is you know that they're

3369
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:41,680
responsible

3370
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:43,760
» Okay and then the the VTM M standards um

3371
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:46,640
they were based on 2020 which is during

3372
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:49,520
the pandemic. So that [clears throat]

3373
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:51,040
doesn't seem like a good base year pre

3374
02:25:49,520 --> 02:25:54,240
preandemic

3375
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:57,200
conditions. Yeah. Uh the the the last

3376
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:59,359
time CCAG updated their model

3377
02:25:57,200 --> 02:26:01,840
information is based on you know 2019

3378
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:04,160
through January 2020 basically. So when

3379
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:05,120
it's referring to 2020 it's it's pre-

3380
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:06,399
pandemic conditions.

3381
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:07,760
» It is pre- pandemic. Okay.

3382
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:09,359
» Sorry for the confusion.

3383
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:12,240
» All right. because it does say 2020 in

3384
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:13,040
here and doesn't say pre- pandemic.

3385
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:13,920
» Understood.

3386
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:17,880
» Okay. Thank you.

3387
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:17,880
» Okay. Council member Okonnell.

3388
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:24,399
» I think my

3389
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:27,840
I think my um questions either are going

3390
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:30,319
to come under financing and or when we

3391
02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:31,840
discuss the Geneva Avenue which is

3392
02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:34,640
another subject matter.

3393
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:38,560
» Okay. So I have two more on street

3394
02:26:34,640 --> 02:26:41,120
sections. My next question is um I

3395
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:43,200
believe and and so don't quote me I

3396
02:26:41,120 --> 02:26:48,880
believe the latest statistics show that

3397
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:50,880
Sanonteo County is 64 or 65% seniors and

3398
02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:54,319
we've talked about mobility within the

3399
02:26:50,880 --> 02:26:56,880
Baylands and affordable housing and

3400
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:59,200
using bicycles. What provisions are

3401
02:26:56,880 --> 02:27:02,520
being made for seniors to have mobility

3402
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:02,520
in the bailance?

3403
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:11,200
Um the entire project will be, you know,

3404
02:27:08,399 --> 02:27:12,720
compliant with ADA standards um for

3405
02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:15,359
folks who get around with other types of

3406
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:17,040
mobility devices. And of course, maybe

3407
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:20,720
not all folks are going to ride a bike,

3408
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:22,880
but there are options for um other ways

3409
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:25,680
of getting around either through

3410
02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:31,200
shuttles that probably have um ADA

3411
02:27:25,680 --> 02:27:32,720
compliant accessibility options. And um

3412
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:34,240
uh there's also opportunities for some

3413
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:36,800
of the affordable housing to potentially

3414
02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:39,840
serve seniors. And sometimes in those

3415
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:42,960
cases, those housing um developments may

3416
02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:44,240
have um additional measures to help

3417
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:46,960
seniors get around.

3418
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:49,520
» So referencing an early earlier question

3419
02:27:46,960 --> 02:27:51,920
about the schedule kind of mirroring

3420
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:54,479
commute.org,

3421
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:58,240
does this not kind of point to the need

3422
02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:59,680
for the shuttle to run more frequently?

3423
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:00,720
» Because you're not going to have seniors

3424
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:02,319
going around.

3425
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:04,720
» Well, I think so. So if you have seniors

3426
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:06,319
who are living at the Baylands, they

3427
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:08,399
will have the option to take the Bayand

3428
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:11,200
shuttle also to get around to the

3429
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:13,760
existing retail and other services

3430
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:16,880
within the Bayands. And so again, the

3431
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:19,120
the goal of a mixeduse community is that

3432
02:28:16,880 --> 02:28:20,960
folks can, you know, run errands and

3433
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:23,520
they can go to work, although seniors

3434
02:28:20,960 --> 02:28:25,920
may or may not be going to work. Um, and

3435
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:27,840
do all of that within the the area. And

3436
02:28:25,920 --> 02:28:30,880
then of course if they need to travel

3437
02:28:27,840 --> 02:28:32,399
outside of the bays, there are ample

3438
02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:34,399
opportunities to do that through transit

3439
02:28:32,399 --> 02:28:36,000
and through other ways that aren't

3440
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:36,640
biking or things that might be

3441
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:38,560
difficult.

3442
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:41,760
» Am I reading this that you are making a

3443
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:44,080
commitment to frequency of that shuttle?

3444
02:28:41,760 --> 02:28:46,080
» So we have outlined schedules in the

3445
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:47,520
specific plan. I don't have them in

3446
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:49,520
front of me right now, but there is a

3447
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:52,560
schedule outlined for both phase one and

3448
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:53,520
phase two. Um, and I could we could

3449
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:55,359
probably bring that up for you.

3450
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:56,560
Actually, I have it. If you I can read

3451
02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:56,720
it to you. That would be great. Thank

3452
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,000
you.

3453
02:28:56,720 --> 02:29:01,359
» So, yeah, phase

3454
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:03,840
» Phase one on weekdays, it's 6:00 a.m. to

3455
02:29:01,359 --> 02:29:07,280
8:00 p.m. with a maximum of 15minute

3456
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:10,240
headways. Um, and then on weekends, that

3457
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:12,640
would be 10 to 5 on demand. And then if

3458
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:15,920
there was enough demand for it, it would

3459
02:29:12,640 --> 02:29:18,000
expand to a fixed route um with fixed

3460
02:29:15,920 --> 02:29:22,240
headways like there are on weekdays. For

3461
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:25,680
phase 2, it's 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. and

3462
02:29:22,240 --> 02:29:27,680
then 4 to 6 pm with 1 hour headways.

3463
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:30,800
That's the east side, more the the

3464
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:32,960
employmentbased shuttle and 10 to 5 on

3465
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:34,560
demand service on weekends, but that

3466
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:36,720
phase one shuttle that Katie was

3467
02:29:34,560 --> 02:29:40,160
describing. The weekday service does

3468
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:41,920
have a a 15minute headway maximum. Um,

3469
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:42,960
and those could be shorter depending on

3470
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:45,359
demand.

3471
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:48,080
» Thank you, Eric, very much. Is that at a

3472
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:50,880
particular point of buildout? Um yes. So

3473
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:52,960
the fa the phase one obligation

3474
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:57,760
as council member Lent was pointing out

3475
02:29:52,960 --> 02:30:00,720
before is triggered at um 50% occupancy

3476
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:03,840
of commercial floor area within the ice

3477
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:06,960
Ice House Hill district is the trigger

3478
02:30:03,840 --> 02:30:08,960
to be at that at that level of service.

3479
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:12,080
And as Matt was describing in response

3480
02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:14,479
to the question, uh the TDM plan, um

3481
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:16,800
might have incremental service um

3482
02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:17,760
earlier than that, but that's the the

3483
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:20,240
trigger for delivery.

3484
02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:22,479
» But if the commercial hasn't been built,

3485
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:24,319
if it's just homes, they don't need to

3486
02:30:22,479 --> 02:30:25,680
have any shuttles.

3487
02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:26,960
» Correct. That's not They would not have

3488
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:30,080
hit the Well, they would not have hit

3489
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:32,000
the trigger for for that phase one

3490
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:33,840
shuttle. I don't know, Matt, if there's

3491
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:37,600
an interim

3492
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:40,000
um delivery of not described there. Uh I

3493
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:43,200
mean, there's several references to on

3494
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:45,200
on demand shuttles as well. It says um

3495
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:46,720
an ondemand shuttle is the type of you

3496
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:48,479
know that you call if you need. There's

3497
02:30:46,720 --> 02:30:50,960
one in in the Bay View that operates

3498
02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:52,640
right now um in San Francisco. But an

3499
02:30:50,960 --> 02:30:54,399
ondemand strategy allows shuttle

3500
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:57,359
operators to scale up as demand shifts

3501
02:30:54,399 --> 02:31:00,160
and grows and eliminates how yeah time

3502
02:30:57,359 --> 02:31:02,640
of day and location. So

3503
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:04,960
uh no no no fixed route services are

3504
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:07,040
called for in the in the bailance plan

3505
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:09,840
until that threshold that he described

3506
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:12,479
but there are other um strategies that

3507
02:31:09,840 --> 02:31:13,920
are identified

3508
02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:14,479
» Decades. Yeah.

3509
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:17,200
» Thank you.

3510
02:31:14,479 --> 02:31:19,200
» Okay. Council member Lent.

3511
02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:24,319
» Um no more questions. Mor.

3512
02:31:19,200 --> 02:31:28,240
» Okay. So I have just one more. Um, we

3513
02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:32,960
saw, thank you for the video with all

3514
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:35,359
the the uh 3D views and then you ended

3515
02:31:32,960 --> 02:31:37,760
with a slide that showed active

3516
02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:42,439
transportation network. Could we

3517
02:31:37,760 --> 02:31:42,439
possibly put that slide up again?

3518
02:32:03,760 --> 02:32:09,840
I'm sorry. What page am I going to?

3519
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:12,399
» It it was near the end, Angel.

3520
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:13,359
» It has a heading active transportation

3521
02:32:12,399 --> 02:32:15,280
network.

3522
02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:17,680
» I think that actually might have been my

3523
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:19,680
second slide

3524
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:21,280
» That showed the map. There we go. Yes.

3525
02:32:19,680 --> 02:32:24,160
» Okay.

3526
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:25,680
since we've never seen this before. I

3527
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:28,640
mean, this is the first time for all of

3528
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:32,160
us seeing this view and and it it shows

3529
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:34,800
where we can clearly see streets. What I

3530
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:37,040
wanted to ask is

3531
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:38,640
does this show the Schlleg lock

3532
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:41,040
development?

3533
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:44,000
It does. Yes. So, this map is from our

3534
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:46,240
website. Um, and so thank you for

3535
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:48,640
clarifying that we do consider the

3536
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:50,240
balance to be both the the we call it

3537
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:52,000
kind of balance north and balance south.

3538
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:53,840
So that includes our I think

3539
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:55,280
approximately 40 acres of property, the

3540
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:57,439
former Schlleglock property in San

3541
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:59,120
Francisco. We call that the Leland

3542
02:32:57,439 --> 02:33:01,120
Square neighborhood and it's intended to

3543
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:04,160
be the northernmost neighborhood of the

3544
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:06,560
Baylands and then that will flow into

3545
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:08,479
the broader Brisbane balance which of

3546
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:10,880
course is the more significant portion

3547
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:13,840
of the development. And so when you see

3548
02:33:10,880 --> 02:33:16,000
that yellow MUN, that is um referring to

3549
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:17,359
the T3. So like the Arita stop for

3550
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:20,399
example is right in front of the former

3551
02:33:17,359 --> 02:33:22,560
Schlleg lock um office building which is

3552
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:26,479
now our office building. And then the

3553
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:29,600
development continues until um Sunnyale

3554
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:31,520
where the uh county line is and and

3555
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:34,240
could you point out where that is?

3556
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:37,266
» It's where the second MUN uh square is.

3557
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:38,399
So the second MUN block rectangle

3558
02:33:37,266 --> 02:33:40,880
[snorts]

3559
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:42,319
is Sunnydale and that's the end of the

3560
02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:43,280
Schllay Glock development.

3561
02:33:42,319 --> 02:33:45,920
» Yeah, that's the San Francisco.

3562
02:33:43,280 --> 02:33:48,560
» So everything to the left all the way up

3563
02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:50,399
to the V is all the Schlleglock

3564
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:52,720
development. Are there streets in there?

3565
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:57,439
It doesn't I I I don't really

3566
02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:59,359
» There are the um existing streets in um

3567
02:33:57,439 --> 02:34:00,640
Visitation Valley for the most part will

3568
02:33:59,359 --> 02:34:02,479
continue through the development. So

3569
02:34:00,640 --> 02:34:05,200
that's why we call it Leland Square.

3570
02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:07,280
Leland Avenue is um you know a kind of

3571
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:09,359
corridor where there's a lot of uh

3572
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:11,040
retail activity in Viz Valley. And so

3573
02:34:09,359 --> 02:34:13,439
Leland will continue through the

3574
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:14,720
development. Um so will Sunnydale and

3575
02:34:13,439 --> 02:34:18,640
Sunnydale will have a turnaround at the

3576
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:20,640
Cal Train Plaza. Um

3577
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:23,359
testing my memory. I think a couple of

3578
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:26,000
the other streets will also continue

3579
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:28,479
through um the development. Are those

3580
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:31,359
then signalized intersections on

3581
02:34:28,479 --> 02:34:34,880
beayshore since if we look south where

3582
02:34:31,359 --> 02:34:36,960
we start in the Brisbane portion there

3583
02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:39,359
are no arterials that cut straight

3584
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:40,880
through on each of those blocks.

3585
02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:43,359
» And I should clarify those streets that

3586
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:47,040
cut through will not go past the Cal

3587
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:49,280
Train. So they they will end in the

3588
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:51,439
development. So th those won't be a cut

3589
02:34:49,280 --> 02:34:54,479
through to get to like 101 for example

3590
02:34:51,439 --> 02:34:56,720
the way Geneva will be. But going west,

3591
02:34:54,479 --> 02:34:57,680
will they will they intersect with

3592
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:58,399
Beayshore?

3593
02:34:57,680 --> 02:35:00,319
» Yes.

3594
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:01,280
» So, are those all going to be

3595
02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:03,040
signalized?

3596
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:05,840
» So, they're currently signalized, right?

3597
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:07,760
» Um and so I imagine they will become a a

3598
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:11,280
four-way intersection.

3599
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:13,760
» Okay. So, there's there's maybe three or

3600
02:35:11,280 --> 02:35:16,640
four arterials that are going to cross

3601
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:18,479
Schlleglock to Beayshore. Sunnyale,

3602
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:19,840
Leland, and I don't know what the other

3603
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:21,359
» And I think I think it may be Raymond.

3604
02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:22,960
Again, I don't have the Schlage lock

3605
02:35:21,359 --> 02:35:24,240
plans in front of me. I'd have to refer

3606
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:26,080
back to them. But, um,

3607
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:28,160
» I think Raymond has a traffic island

3608
02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:29,920
that blocks it from Beayshore. You can

3609
02:35:28,160 --> 02:35:32,800
turn right if you're going south, but I

3610
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:34,960
don't think you can go.

3611
02:35:32,800 --> 02:35:37,120
» You can't exit Raymond. I don't believe.

3612
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:38,640
» Perhaps not. Um, but again, I don't have

3613
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:39,840
that plan in front of me.

3614
02:35:38,640 --> 02:35:41,520
» Right. No, I'm not trying to put you on

3615
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:44,240
the spot. I'm just trying to visualize

3616
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:46,319
how this interfaces with all the the

3617
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:47,680
transportation. So, thank you very much.

3618
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:50,479
I appreciate that.

3619
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:52,560
» All right. I think that concludes the

3620
02:35:50,479 --> 02:35:54,800
street sections and we have a question

3621
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:58,120
from the public. Michael Barnes on

3622
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:58,120
street sections.

3623
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:05,200
Michael Barnes, [clears throat] Brisbane

3624
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:08,000
resident uh formality. I'm going to be

3625
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:10,080
talking about bicycle uh network on the

3626
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:12,000
bayands, but I'm currently the chair of

3627
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:14,000
the Sanonteo County bicycle pedestrian

3628
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:15,920
advisory committee to we oversee the

3629
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:18,479
unincorporated parts of Sato County, but

3630
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:19,920
I'm not speaking in that capacity. I'm

3631
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:22,640
speaking in the capacity as a private

3632
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:24,319
citizen of Brisbane. So most people who

3633
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:26,640
do not ride bicycles cite the danger of

3634
02:36:24,319 --> 02:36:28,479
automobiles and trucks as a reason why

3635
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:30,160
to actually encourage bicycling requires

3636
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:31,840
isolation of bicyclists from motor

3637
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:33,920
vehicles to the greatest extent

3638
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:36,399
possible. Thankfully, the empty canvas

3639
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:38,640
of the Baylands allows us to maximize

3640
02:36:36,399 --> 02:36:41,200
bicyclist protections.

3641
02:36:38,640 --> 02:36:42,640
The specific plan recognizes this issue.

3642
02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:44,160
This specific plan states that the

3643
02:36:42,640 --> 02:36:45,920
bayands will include a network of

3644
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:47,920
protected bikeways that provide physical

3645
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:49,600
separation from moving vehicles. This

3646
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:51,120
type of bikeway reduces the level of

3647
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:52,800
stress and improves comfort for more

3648
02:36:51,120 --> 02:36:54,640
types of bicyclists and therefore

3649
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:58,160
contributes to an increase in bicycle

3650
02:36:54,640 --> 02:37:00,000
volumes and mode share. Connections are

3651
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:01,840
also made to the existing bike network

3652
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:03,280
to facilitate trips to downtown Brisbane

3653
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:05,920
and adjacent neighborhoods and to

3654
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:09,120
increase connected connectivity to the

3655
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:10,800
Beayshore Cal Train Station.

3656
02:37:09,120 --> 02:37:13,040
So

3657
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:16,080
I agree with all of that and I think

3658
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:18,800
that it also mentions on page 34 of the

3659
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:20,800
PDF of the specific plan that

3660
02:37:18,800 --> 02:37:23,760
landscaping provides added protection

3661
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:27,120
from vehicles. I agree with this. Let's

3662
02:37:23,760 --> 02:37:30,800
use landscaping to protect bicyclists.

3663
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:33,680
A number of the uh figures,

3664
02:37:30,800 --> 02:37:37,760
cross-sections of the streets have a

3665
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:41,920
lane of motor vehicles, then flanked by

3666
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:44,399
a bicyclist, a class 2 bike lane, and

3667
02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:47,840
then a row of vegetation, landscaping

3668
02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:50,000
trees, and then pedestrians. And I think

3669
02:37:47,840 --> 02:37:52,800
kind of the overarching vision I'd have

3670
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:55,040
is to swap the position of the trees

3671
02:37:52,800 --> 02:37:58,640
with the bike lane so that the motor

3672
02:37:55,040 --> 02:38:01,120
vehicles then have trees on their right

3673
02:37:58,640 --> 02:38:04,160
and then a bike lane and then pedestrian

3674
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:06,880
facilities. And if if it's being

3675
02:38:04,160 --> 02:38:08,880
proposed this way in the spec specific

3676
02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:10,880
plan to protect pedestrians from

3677
02:38:08,880 --> 02:38:12,399
bicycles, you can merely put in a fence

3678
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:14,800
between the two if you if you're

3679
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:18,560
uncomfortable with that. But the real

3680
02:38:14,800 --> 02:38:20,160
hazard is cars and trucks hitting

3681
02:38:18,560 --> 02:38:21,920
bicyclists.

3682
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:23,840
Um

3683
02:38:21,920 --> 02:38:25,760
so intersections with both bicycles and

3684
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:28,000
motor vehicles should be avoided.

3685
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:30,319
Intersections are deadly to bicyclists.

3686
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:33,040
Um and class 2 bike lanes are exactly

3687
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:34,800
what reluctant bicyclists site for not

3688
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:38,080
riding on the street. A class two bike

3689
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:41,600
lane is paint or I don't know this idea

3690
02:38:38,080 --> 02:38:43,600
of a curb, you know, between a bicyclist

3691
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:44,880
and a car being a protection. I'm I'm

3692
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:46,880
not sure I buy into it, especially if

3693
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:48,720
it's a rolled curb. A lot of the curbs

3694
02:38:46,880 --> 02:38:50,000
in this project are rolled and and I

3695
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:52,640
think that's just going to encourage

3696
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:54,319
cars to park in the bike lane. So, I you

3697
02:38:52,640 --> 02:38:55,920
know, I

3698
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:57,520
maybe maybe there's reasons, engineering

3699
02:38:55,920 --> 02:39:02,160
reasons for that, but uh that's that's

3700
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:04,080
my take. Um I thought that uh class 2

3701
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:05,760
bike lane is being proposed for Bashar

3702
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:08,160
Boulevard, which is what we have now,

3703
02:39:05,760 --> 02:39:10,800
and that's why you reluctant cyclists

3704
02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:14,399
don't use it. I think that's uh I think

3705
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:16,240
you should also include in table 6.4.2

3706
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:18,960
class 2 bike lane definition. It's not

3707
02:39:16,240 --> 02:39:21,600
in there. Um

3708
02:39:18,960 --> 02:39:23,359
I'd like to point out that Tunnel Road

3709
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:25,280
Well, I'm running out of time. I I'm

3710
02:39:23,359 --> 02:39:28,640
going to leave you a copy of my

3711
02:39:25,280 --> 02:39:31,680
comments. Um Tunnel Road I think should

3712
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:33,359
be a class 4 bike facility on the east

3713
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:34,800
on the sorry the west side of Tunnel

3714
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:37,120
Road.

3715
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:39,040
10 times as many bicyclists used tunnel

3716
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:41,439
road to go from San Francisco to South

3717
02:39:39,040 --> 02:39:45,040
City and beyond as use beayhore. So I

3718
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:46,800
did a count 20 years ago in order to

3719
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:49,200
figure out where we should put our um

3720
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:52,080
bike to workday energizer station and I

3721
02:39:49,200 --> 02:39:54,960
I did counts and then we actually had an

3722
02:39:52,080 --> 02:39:57,200
Energizer station on Bear Boulevard and

3723
02:39:54,960 --> 02:40:00,080
consistently 10 times more bicyclists

3724
02:39:57,200 --> 02:40:02,399
use Tunnel Road as use Beayshore.

3725
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:04,960
Um, I think you should get rid of the

3726
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:07,840
vegetated median strips between the the

3727
02:40:04,960 --> 02:40:12,399
traffic lanes and dedicate that road

3728
02:40:07,840 --> 02:40:15,120
width to protect bicyclists. Um,

3729
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:16,800
I like I like Sier Point Parkway,

3730
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:18,720
Visitation Creek, and Lagoon Road. Those

3731
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:21,439
are exactly the sorts of streetscapes

3732
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:26,080
that I'm talking about. Those are great.

3733
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:27,760
Um, I'm out of time. I the frontage road

3734
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:29,120
sixoot buffer should be a bike lane and

3735
02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:32,960
if possible include the Cal Train

3736
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:35,040
rideway. U anyway I will leave my the

3737
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:37,120
rest of my comments with the city clerk

3738
02:40:35,040 --> 02:40:38,960
and um

3739
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:41,680
» Before you depart I have a question for

3740
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:43,920
you. When you talked about swapping the

3741
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:46,080
trees with the bike lane, do you not

3742
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:49,280
create another hazard for the bicyclist

3743
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:52,080
because any bicyclist who wants to turn

3744
02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:54,560
left is not seen because they're

3745
02:40:52,080 --> 02:40:57,120
obscured by the trees and then they'd be

3746
02:40:54,560 --> 02:40:59,680
pulling in front of cars that wouldn't

3747
02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:03,120
even see them coming over. Well, I think

3748
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:07,840
that the uh the sections show bulb outs

3749
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:09,520
and and protected bicycle queuing lines

3750
02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:11,280
at corners where they'd be crossing

3751
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:12,399
streets. I don't I don't see that as a

3752
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:13,840
problem.

3753
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:15,600
» Well, I mean, if you were at an

3754
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:18,240
intersection, you have a bicycle lane to

3755
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:19,760
your right, sometimes the bicyclists

3756
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:23,120
have to try to get all the way over or

3757
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:24,640
they're waiting for cars to cut across.

3758
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:26,720
I don't know if that's how it works.

3759
02:41:24,640 --> 02:41:28,479
That that was just when you when you

3760
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:31,680
mentioned that I was just concerned

3761
02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:33,520
about trees obscuring the bicycles.

3762
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:36,399
» You could use bushes though. I think I

3763
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:40,240
mean you could do some kind of

3764
02:41:36,399 --> 02:41:43,120
» More prominent barrier right between

3765
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:44,880
» Something that's maybe not as tall. So

3766
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:45,680
there would still be visibility of a

3767
02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:47,520
bike.

3768
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:50,720
» Is that what you were suggesting?

3769
02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:52,160
» I'm suggesting putting landscaping or

3770
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:54,240
barriers, physical barriers between

3771
02:41:52,160 --> 02:41:56,800
automobiles and bicycles. I don't care

3772
02:41:54,240 --> 02:41:59,520
what it is. And sight distances are all

3773
02:41:56,800 --> 02:42:00,960
accommodated in the specific plan as is

3774
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:02,560
the bulb belts of the corners, that kind

3775
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:04,800
of stuff. I don't think I think that

3776
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:06,720
intersections are a problem, but they're

3777
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:08,960
as engineered as they can be in the

3778
02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:10,960
specific plan. So, I'm concerned about

3779
02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:13,280
people riding encouraging people to ride

3780
02:42:10,960 --> 02:42:16,240
bicycles. So, I mean, we've known this

3781
02:42:13,280 --> 02:42:18,319
for 20, 30, 40 years that people who

3782
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:19,680
don't commute by bicycle are afraid of

3783
02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:21,840
vehicles and they don't feel comfortable

3784
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:23,520
on class 2. So, that's why class 4 is so

3785
02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:25,120
good. And I heard the consultant say

3786
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:29,439
tunnels class 4, but I thought that

3787
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:31,600
figure 3 point 6.3.12 showed bike lanes

3788
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:33,920
on either side of tunnel road next to

3789
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:36,479
the vehicle lane. So

3790
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:38,560
I it'd be nice if I could get answers to

3791
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:41,200
some of this stuff at some point.

3792
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:42,960
» If you could pass that on to staff, then

3793
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:44,880
» I'm ahead of you on that.

3794
02:42:42,960 --> 02:42:46,080
» Okay. Thank you, Michael. Ask a

3795
02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:47,680
followup.

3796
02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:50,640
» Sure. You have a follow-up question?

3797
02:42:47,680 --> 02:42:53,359
Yeah, just based on what Michael is

3798
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:54,960
saying, I mean, to me there's his

3799
02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:57,200
suggestions make a lot of sense,

3800
02:42:54,960 --> 02:43:01,280
particularly about having a more

3801
02:42:57,200 --> 02:43:03,840
distinct barrier between cars and bike

3802
02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:06,080
lanes. And so I just didn't know if

3803
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:09,040
there is

3804
02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:11,040
some practical reason why maybe it's not

3805
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:13,359
that way right now and if that's

3806
02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:15,840
something that could we could

3807
02:43:13,359 --> 02:43:19,280
re-evaluate and bring back at a later

3808
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:21,120
time so that we are making this as bike

3809
02:43:19,280 --> 02:43:23,840
friendly as possible because I think

3810
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:26,479
really at the core of what all of us are

3811
02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:29,520
looking to accomplish right is to have

3812
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:31,359
this be a a development in which people

3813
02:43:29,520 --> 02:43:33,040
aren't relying on vehicles so much.

3814
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:34,640
They're using transit, they're biking,

3815
02:43:33,040 --> 02:43:36,800
they're using, you know, they're

3816
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:39,439
walking. There's a lot of connectivity.

3817
02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:40,720
And so, if we're going to achieve that,

3818
02:43:39,439 --> 02:43:42,640
and that also supports our

3819
02:43:40,720 --> 02:43:44,399
sustainability goals, too.

3820
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:49,040
» If we're going to achieve that, then we

3821
02:43:44,399 --> 02:43:52,800
need to make biking a really um viable

3822
02:43:49,040 --> 02:43:54,960
option for people. So, just didn't know.

3823
02:43:52,800 --> 02:43:57,439
» Yeah, sure. Happy to answer that. And I

3824
02:43:54,960 --> 02:43:59,520
mean in terms of what the specific plan

3825
02:43:57,439 --> 02:44:02,319
includes, it includes clear standards

3826
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:04,640
that all all the class 4 facilities

3827
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:06,560
which uh I can confirm tunnel road it

3828
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:09,920
would be a separated class 4 facility

3829
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:12,720
with a raised buffer consistent with the

3830
02:44:09,920 --> 02:44:16,000
NACTO design urban bikeway design guide.

3831
02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:18,319
And so that's really what this uh the

3832
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:20,960
specific plan is based on is making sure

3833
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:22,720
that all the facilities provide that low

3834
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:24,720
stress, all ages and abilities

3835
02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:28,080
separated, physically separated, not

3836
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:30,080
just a painted line from from cars um

3837
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:33,760
including at intersections. Every single

3838
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:35,520
intersection with um bikes uh in a class

3839
02:44:33,760 --> 02:44:37,680
4 facility is would be a protected

3840
02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:40,800
intersection. And so that allows for

3841
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:42,960
provides that protected space for um

3842
02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:44,479
bikes to to wait while they cross so

3843
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:46,640
that they're not having to mix with

3844
02:44:44,479 --> 02:44:48,720
vehicles for example at an intersection

3845
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:51,600
so that the bikeways don't don't kind of

3846
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:54,640
end before the intersection. Um in terms

3847
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:57,680
of like swapping the the landscape um

3848
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:59,120
with the kind of the the raised buffer,

3849
02:44:57,680 --> 02:45:00,560
I don't think that there's necessarily

3850
02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:03,120
anything prohibiting that. that that's

3851
02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:04,640
the type of design review that you know

3852
02:45:03,120 --> 02:45:07,760
when streets are being designed they

3853
02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:09,279
have to be designed to the standards. Um

3854
02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:10,800
I'm not sure that this specific band

3855
02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:12,000
would would preclude that but that's

3856
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:14,399
certainly something that we could look

3857
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:16,720
at. Um

3858
02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:18,880
yeah but it it I I'll just emphasize

3859
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:21,840
that yeah there's engineering design

3860
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:23,680
phase when streets get designed and and

3861
02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:25,680
that's why it relies so heavily on

3862
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:26,720
citing best practices like the design

3863
02:45:25,680 --> 02:45:28,319
guide.

3864
02:45:26,720 --> 02:45:29,920
» Thank you very much. You know, I have a

3865
02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:33,520
followup question, Madame Mayor, just

3866
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:36,640
real quick on that. So, could

3867
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:39,760
» Could the council require that all bike

3868
02:45:36,640 --> 02:45:42,319
lanes within the project area have

3869
02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:43,840
separation from cars?

3870
02:45:42,319 --> 02:45:46,399
» That's already part of the plan.

3871
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:46,960
» So, okay. So, all bike lanes do have

3872
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:48,960
separation.

3873
02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:50,560
» Yeah, there's there there are not any

3874
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:53,279
class 2 facilities. That's why they're

3875
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:56,240
actually not defined uh within the

3876
02:45:53,279 --> 02:45:58,399
specific plan because um yeah, just

3877
02:45:56,240 --> 02:46:00,080
following kind of modern modern bike

3878
02:45:58,399 --> 02:46:02,880
weight safety standards, they all have

3879
02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:04,399
to be separated physically from cars.

3880
02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:05,359
» Okay, great. Thank you. I just wanted to

3881
02:46:04,399 --> 02:46:07,840
clarify that.

3882
02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:09,840
» All right, we move on to questions from

3883
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:13,240
the public. First one I have is online.

3884
02:46:09,840 --> 02:46:13,240
Roland Leon.

3885
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:22,160
Yeah, this is Roland. I actually um

3886
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:25,120
lowered my hand uh for streets. I'll

3887
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:26,640
come back on the Geneva and uh

3888
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:27,359
connections.

3889
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:30,640
» Thank you.

3890
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:35,240
» Okay, thank you.

3891
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:35,240
» Next one I have is Linda Salmon.

3892
02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:48,319
Bicycles and pedestrians do not mix

3893
02:46:45,439 --> 02:46:51,120
well. You can go look up where I was

3894
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:55,120
living recently in um well few years

3895
02:46:51,120 --> 02:46:58,319
back in Santa Rosa Sebastapole area

3896
02:46:55,120 --> 02:47:01,840
where people designed wonderful pathways

3897
02:46:58,319 --> 02:47:03,840
with bicycles and pedestrians which

3898
02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:06,960
resulted in the death of a number of

3899
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:08,880
pedestrians. Just go check it out. It

3900
02:47:06,960 --> 02:47:13,479
doesn't work.

3901
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:13,479
» Okay. Uh EMTT Cunningham

3902
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:19,840
I'll try and be brief. I've got four or

3903
02:47:17,600 --> 02:47:22,640
five comments here. Have those things

3904
02:47:19,840 --> 02:47:24,720
straighten out. Uh first of all, shared

3905
02:47:22,640 --> 02:47:26,720
green streets. Foster city has some

3906
02:47:24,720 --> 02:47:28,080
specifically I think Foster Square Lane.

3907
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:29,680
So if you want, you can go down there,

3908
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:31,279
look at it, and then contact the city

3909
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:34,080
and see if there's they've had any

3910
02:47:31,279 --> 02:47:36,399
problems. Take a look. Might be useful,

3911
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:39,359
might give you an idea. Second one, uh

3912
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:40,880
15 mph enforcement. This has been

3913
02:47:39,359 --> 02:47:43,040
available for quite a while. California

3914
02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:44,800
Civic Code 22352.

3915
02:47:43,040 --> 02:47:47,359
It's available. we can use it. We can

3916
02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:49,920
use it in our city. You have to uh adopt

3917
02:47:47,359 --> 02:47:51,760
it. But we have been unwilling to

3918
02:47:49,920 --> 02:47:54,960
actually enforce such a thing or produce

3919
02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:56,960
such enforcement for it. So why would we

3920
02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:59,359
believe that we'd do it someplace in the

3921
02:47:56,960 --> 02:48:01,200
new area? Um I'd like to see if I'd love

3922
02:47:59,359 --> 02:48:02,640
to believe that we would do that 15 mph

3923
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:05,120
enforcement by the way because there's

3924
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:07,840
several s um streets in town right now

3925
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:10,000
which really deserve it. Uh you all know

3926
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:11,680
who they are, which streets they are. Um

3927
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:14,240
you've tucked on that one. Uh bike

3928
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:16,399
sharing. Um, this has been incredibly

3929
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:18,720
successful in Mountain View. Uh, it it

3930
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:20,800
it's shocking how well it works. Um, a

3931
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:22,000
small number of bikes, a small number, a

3932
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:23,760
large number of bikes at Google get

3933
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:26,240
moved around

3934
02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:28,240
thousands of miles a day, literally. Um,

3935
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:30,080
they they go to and from and they get

3936
02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:32,399
people from one side of the campus to

3937
02:48:30,080 --> 02:48:35,520
the other and the campus is four and

3938
02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:37,920
five miles long. So, it's it's amazing.

3939
02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:39,920
Uh just for your information, the

3940
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:42,640
percentage of of seniors in Brisbane is

3941
02:48:39,920 --> 02:48:44,880
around 46%, just a little bit under. Uh

3942
02:48:42,640 --> 02:48:46,640
last but not least, and thank you on the

3943
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:48,880
comment about class 4 bike lanes. Please

3944
02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:50,479
do that uh across the board. There was a

3945
02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:52,319
comment earlier which really set my ears

3946
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:54,560
on edge, which was high visibility road

3947
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:57,279
markings, which is exactly what we have

3948
02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:59,200
on beayshore coming into town uh from

3949
02:48:57,279 --> 02:49:01,200
South San Francisco, and it is exactly

3950
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:03,359
the location why I stopped commuting on

3951
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:05,439
a bike when I when I worked in South San

3952
02:49:03,359 --> 02:49:07,359
Francisco. It was incredibly dangerous.

3953
02:49:05,439 --> 02:49:09,520
I was having

3954
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:11,920
at least one really close call every

3955
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:13,760
week no matter what I did. So, uh, that

3956
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:15,200
doesn't it didn't work then. It the high

3957
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:17,120
visibility stuff doesn't make you feel

3958
02:49:15,200 --> 02:49:19,760
any more comfortable on a bike now.

3959
02:49:17,120 --> 02:49:22,800
Class 4 would do wonders. Thank you.

3960
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:25,520
» Thank you. All right, that concludes our

3961
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:28,560
questions from the public on this topic.

3962
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:30,960
» I left my sheet for each section.

3963
02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:33,439
» Um, separate sheet.

3964
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:35,279
» Yeah, I really need separate. Well, or

3965
02:49:33,439 --> 02:49:38,560
or you could mark it. I didn't see you

3966
02:49:35,279 --> 02:49:40,080
mark for all the sections,

3967
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:43,080
» But if you have a question, come on up

3968
02:49:40,080 --> 02:49:43,080
here.

3969
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:47,040
So, a friend of mine lives on a slow

3970
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:51,920
street in San Francisco, Baker Street.

3971
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:54,640
Um, and Paige, and it's

3972
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:57,600
slow streets give a sense of ease to

3973
02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:59,520
people using the slow streets

3974
02:49:57,600 --> 02:50:01,200
to where they just kind of ignore the

3975
02:49:59,520 --> 02:50:03,279
fact that there's a car behind them or

3976
02:50:01,200 --> 02:50:07,200
next to them. And I'm concerned about

3977
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:09,760
that. So, and and then also the what

3978
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:11,760
EMTT said about bicycles and people

3979
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:14,160
together in the same lane. I've been hit

3980
02:50:11,760 --> 02:50:17,200
twice by a bicycle messenger. Once on a

3981
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:18,720
sidewalk and once in a crosswalk. Um and

3982
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:21,520
so I'm kind of concerned. And then also

3983
02:50:18,720 --> 02:50:24,160
wanted to make sure that on these slow

3984
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:26,319
streets that there was um ability to

3985
02:50:24,160 --> 02:50:28,160
have like three-wheel bikes for some

3986
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:30,560
people who don't, you know, ride two

3987
02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:32,319
wheel bikes and like I don't know what

3988
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:34,319
they meant by cargo bikes, but maybe

3989
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:36,720
that's what they're talking about. And

3990
02:50:34,319 --> 02:50:39,520
then like electric scooter chairs like

3991
02:50:36,720 --> 02:50:42,640
the kind my dad used to drive around.

3992
02:50:39,520 --> 02:50:45,359
Are will there be room for that? because

3993
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:47,040
I think he said a 20ft rideway, but the

3994
02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:51,040
current city streets are supposed to be

3995
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:53,520
a 50-ft rideway. Um, but I don't know,

3996
02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:56,240
those are questions that if it really is

3997
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:58,960
multimodal uh green streets or whatever

3998
02:50:56,240 --> 02:51:02,160
streets they're using that it includes

3999
02:50:58,960 --> 02:51:04,720
being able to use an electric cart that

4000
02:51:02,160 --> 02:51:06,240
uh people ride around in and three-wheel

4001
02:51:04,720 --> 02:51:09,840
bicycles

4002
02:51:06,240 --> 02:51:13,359
and that it is safe for all use. Thank

4003
02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:15,279
you. And I did find your your slip,

4004
02:51:13,359 --> 02:51:18,560
Michelle. It's just the way where this

4005
02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:20,640
the check was. I didn't see it as being

4006
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:22,720
» It's right over the floor. So I read it

4007
02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:25,600
as the next one, but it's all there. I

4008
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:27,680
got it now. Thank you for bringing that

4009
02:51:25,600 --> 02:51:31,560
up. All right, we're moving on to the

4010
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:31,560
next section now. Interface.

4011
02:51:34,240 --> 02:51:37,439
Uh, it doesn't show it on this topic

4012
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:39,760
that we

4013
02:51:37,439 --> 02:51:40,560
» Spencer would be number six.

4014
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:42,000
» Topic six.

4015
02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:44,960
» Yeah, you're you're on a different

4016
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:46,800
topic.

4017
02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:49,439
» Okay. Interface with regional

4018
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:51,920
transportation network council

4019
02:51:49,439 --> 02:51:54,920
questions. Let's start with Mayor Prom

4020
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:54,920
Davis.

4021
02:51:56,640 --> 02:51:59,920
um

4022
02:51:58,560 --> 02:52:02,800
confirming interface with regional

4023
02:51:59,920 --> 02:52:03,600
transit.

4024
02:52:02,800 --> 02:52:07,600
» Correct.

4025
02:52:03,600 --> 02:52:09,840
» Just want to make sure. Um so

4026
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:12,640
in reference to the shuttle

4027
02:52:09,840 --> 02:52:14,160
transportation feature, um I'm curious

4028
02:52:12,640 --> 02:52:17,520
who's responsible for operating and

4029
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:20,880
funding that service in perpetuity?

4030
02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:22,640
Um, is that the is it the operator

4031
02:52:20,880 --> 02:52:28,760
identified at a later time but the

4032
02:52:22,640 --> 02:52:28,760
developer is supposed to fund that or

4033
02:52:30,479 --> 02:52:36,319
Thank you, Mayor Prom. Um, the uh for

4034
02:52:34,960 --> 02:52:38,479
anything that's identified as part of

4035
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:40,640
the specific plan as part of the TDM

4036
02:52:38,479 --> 02:52:44,080
program or shuttles that's yeah funded

4037
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:45,760
by the developer and or by you know the

4038
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:51,040
fees collected over the course of the

4039
02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:53,279
project. um uh shuttles, you know, the

4040
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:54,960
the TDM program requirements as well.

4041
02:52:53,279 --> 02:52:57,279
That's also a requirement to be funded

4042
02:52:54,960 --> 02:52:59,120
by by the developer as well. So that

4043
02:52:57,279 --> 02:53:01,279
would include yeah commute.org type

4044
02:52:59,120 --> 02:53:02,560
shuttle services adjustments increase

4045
02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:05,920
frequency.

4046
02:53:02,560 --> 02:53:07,520
» And I this is just a comment but and um

4047
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:10,080
council member Lent brought this up but

4048
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:11,760
I think it's worth reiterating. It would

4049
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:13,760
be really nice if you could put a stop

4050
02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:16,720
at the ridge. I think the ridge is

4051
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:20,000
constantly feeling like they are not

4052
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:21,520
served and that they are geographically

4053
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:23,200
um

4054
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:27,200
distanced from the rest of us and kind

4055
02:53:23,200 --> 02:53:31,200
of forgotten. And so, you know, Brisbane

4056
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:33,840
will be kind of in these three distinct

4057
02:53:31,200 --> 02:53:35,200
areas. We have the ridge and central

4058
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:36,800
Brisbane and we have Crocker in the

4059
02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:39,600
middle and then we have Beayshore and

4060
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:42,399
then the Bayands. And so it'd be really

4061
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:44,800
nice if your shuttle network would

4062
02:53:42,399 --> 02:53:47,600
really take into consideration the ridge

4063
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:49,359
and their desire to be able to access

4064
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:51,680
all the amazing things that will be at

4065
02:53:49,359 --> 02:53:55,520
the bailance. So um just wanted to

4066
02:53:51,680 --> 02:54:00,240
reiterate an interest in a stop there.

4067
02:53:55,520 --> 02:54:03,800
» Okay. Thank you, Council Member Kern.

4068
02:54:00,240 --> 02:54:03,800
» Thank you so much.

4069
02:54:03,840 --> 02:54:08,240
Um, so I just want I just want to make a

4070
02:54:06,399 --> 02:54:10,399
statement that I'm a huge fan of all

4071
02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:12,479
five mobility hubs and super energized

4072
02:54:10,399 --> 02:54:13,760
by their potential existence. I do wish

4073
02:54:12,479 --> 02:54:15,279
one there was one a little closer to

4074
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:17,359
central Brisbane and the ridge to

4075
02:54:15,279 --> 02:54:20,080
service those areas.

4076
02:54:17,359 --> 02:54:21,600
My question is pretty specific um and

4077
02:54:20,080 --> 02:54:23,120
normally I try and give staff a heads up

4078
02:54:21,600 --> 02:54:24,560
on these. You're not getting a heads up.

4079
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:26,560
This is a live question here. Sorry

4080
02:54:24,560 --> 02:54:29,520
about that. Uh the subject is the

4081
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:33,600
Bayland specific plan dated March 2026.

4082
02:54:29,520 --> 02:54:35,920
Chapter 6 circulation page 6-70 figure

4083
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:39,200
6.89

4084
02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:41,040
Geneva Avenue at Blands Boulevard.

4085
02:54:39,200 --> 02:54:42,720
Um the context of my question is as

4086
02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:44,880
follows. I recently had the luxury of

4087
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:47,120
observing transit operations in both

4088
02:54:44,880 --> 02:54:49,359
India and the Philippines where

4089
02:54:47,120 --> 02:54:51,359
mismatched vehicle and platform designs

4090
02:54:49,359 --> 02:54:54,399
routinely force passengers to exit

4091
02:54:51,359 --> 02:54:56,240
directly into active vehicular traffic.

4092
02:54:54,399 --> 02:54:58,080
I want to ensure that we proactively

4093
02:54:56,240 --> 02:55:00,960
address potential design conflicts in

4094
02:54:58,080 --> 02:55:04,560
the bayens before plans are locked in.

4095
02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:07,760
In chapter 6, circulation page 6-70 in

4096
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:09,439
figure 6.8.9, 8.9 which I just

4097
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:11,120
referenced. It depicts a roadway

4098
02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:14,240
crosssection for Geneva Avenue at

4099
02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:17,200
Baylands Boulevard featuring a planted

4100
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:20,160
median labeled number one, a center

4101
02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:23,040
transit lane labeled number five, and a

4102
02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:26,479
mobility hub/bustop platform labeled

4103
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:29,359
number eight. As drawn, this center

4104
02:55:26,479 --> 02:55:31,840
running configuration requires passenger

4105
02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:33,520
entrance and egress on the left side of

4106
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:36,240
the vehicle.

4107
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:37,920
However, the standard fleets for SAMR

4108
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:39,600
and other regional transportation

4109
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:42,080
operators currently operate with

4110
02:55:39,600 --> 02:55:44,560
passenger boarding doors exclusively on

4111
02:55:42,080 --> 02:55:46,000
the right side. I apologize Katie, you

4112
02:55:44,560 --> 02:55:47,200
started to head down this path a little

4113
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:49,680
earlier, but here are my three

4114
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:52,640
questions. Number one,

4115
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:55,120
um, whose responsibility is it, the city

4116
02:55:52,640 --> 02:55:57,279
project applicant or SAMR to ensure that

4117
02:55:55,120 --> 02:55:59,120
transit buses serving Brisbane and the

4118
02:55:57,279 --> 02:56:01,040
Baylands are equipped and configured for

4119
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:03,680
left side passenger boarding and

4120
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:05,760
exiting? That's question one.

4121
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:08,479
Question two on the same topic and same

4122
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:10,240
scenario. Has SAM trans reviewed and

4123
02:56:08,479 --> 02:56:13,279
formally concurred with this center

4124
02:56:10,240 --> 02:56:15,200
platform roadway geometry and what is

4125
02:56:13,279 --> 02:56:18,000
the mechanism to guarantee compatible

4126
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:20,319
dualsided or left door transit fleets

4127
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:23,040
are secured prior to service rollout?

4128
02:56:20,319 --> 02:56:25,439
And question three on the same topic. If

4129
02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:28,560
regional transit providers cannot commit

4130
02:56:25,439 --> 02:56:30,720
to specialized multi-door buses for this

4131
02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:33,200
route, how will the roadway crosssection

4132
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:35,120
be re-engineered to ensure riders exit

4133
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:36,800
safely onto protected platforms rather

4134
02:56:35,120 --> 02:56:40,439
than facing exposure to oncoming

4135
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:40,439
traffic? Thank you.

4136
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:43,439
H

4137
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:45,120
» Happy to answer that. Um the specific

4138
02:56:43,439 --> 02:56:47,680
plan describes that there's two options

4139
02:56:45,120 --> 02:56:50,000
for the Geneva Avenue BRT system. A side

4140
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:53,359
running transit stops or center running.

4141
02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:55,040
So I think that that figure itself is

4142
02:56:53,359 --> 02:56:59,200
illustrative of the center running

4143
02:56:55,040 --> 02:57:01,840
facility. Um and but elsewhere in you

4144
02:56:59,200 --> 02:57:05,040
know when in the standards for GD Avenue

4145
02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:06,960
for example it describes um transit

4146
02:57:05,040 --> 02:57:09,439
facilities could be sideboarding transit

4147
02:57:06,960 --> 02:57:12,000
with one transit only lane you know and

4148
02:57:09,439 --> 02:57:14,399
and boarding area on the side or the

4149
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:18,399
center running lane.

4150
02:57:14,399 --> 02:57:21,680
So that would be subject to regional

4151
02:57:18,399 --> 02:57:24,319
transit providers. Um the BRT facility

4152
02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:26,000
was included in the bycounty study as

4153
02:57:24,319 --> 02:57:29,040
something that would be a joint

4154
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:31,279
initiative between the counties of San

4155
02:57:29,040 --> 02:57:32,479
Francisco, Sanonteo, the part the

4156
02:57:31,279 --> 02:57:35,800
different parties to it including the

4157
02:57:32,479 --> 02:57:35,800
city of Brisbane.

4158
02:57:36,560 --> 02:57:39,840
» Thank you. Y

4159
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:42,160
» Before we go on, I just want to point

4160
02:57:39,840 --> 02:57:45,840
out you your question was totally

4161
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:47,680
relevant to the regional transportation

4162
02:57:45,840 --> 02:57:50,160
network, but I just want to make sure

4163
02:57:47,680 --> 02:57:53,120
everyone knows we're not in the Geneva

4164
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:56,640
Avenue extension. Your your example was

4165
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:59,840
very relevant. So, thank you for that.

4166
02:57:56,640 --> 02:58:02,880
Oh, Council Member Lent, you're next.

4167
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:05,359
» All right. Um

4168
02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:07,520
All right. So uh in the sustainability

4169
02:58:05,359 --> 02:58:10,160
framework it talks about having a

4170
02:58:07,520 --> 02:58:13,120
comprehensive uh transportation study.

4171
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:16,479
It's part of the EIR process. Also talks

4172
02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:18,720
about communicating with San Francisco

4173
02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:21,600
uh you know to connect the systems

4174
02:58:18,720 --> 02:58:26,160
between Santo County and and San

4175
02:58:21,600 --> 02:58:29,760
Francisco. So um in 2013 there was a by

4176
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:32,960
county uh transportation study uh which

4177
02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:36,240
evaluated items such as the US 101

4178
02:58:32,960 --> 02:58:39,439
candlestick interchange, Geneva Avenue

4179
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:41,120
extension, the BRT to the east side of

4180
02:58:39,439 --> 02:58:44,399
101,

4181
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:47,600
third street light rail extension

4182
02:58:44,399 --> 02:58:50,800
and a beayore station reconfiguration.

4183
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:53,439
So, if you wouldn't mind just sharing

4184
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:56,800
your communication with San Francisco

4185
02:58:53,439 --> 02:59:01,960
and uh what have been the discussions

4186
02:58:56,800 --> 02:59:01,960
regarding these particular topic items?

4187
02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:08,640
» Sure, that's a great question. Um, so we

4188
02:59:06,240 --> 02:59:11,200
have had very recent conversations with

4189
02:59:08,640 --> 02:59:14,160
SF planning and SFMTA to discuss this

4190
02:59:11,200 --> 02:59:16,000
exact topic, the bycount study. Um, your

4191
02:59:14,160 --> 02:59:18,880
public works director joined us for that

4192
02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:21,040
meeting as well. Um, so we have ongoing

4193
02:59:18,880 --> 02:59:23,680
dialogue with them. Uh, obviously the

4194
02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:26,000
the by county study informed the

4195
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:28,319
specific plan. Um, especially those BRT

4196
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:30,800
lanes that Matt was just describing. Uh,

4197
02:59:28,319 --> 02:59:33,279
but it is also a 13-year-old study. So

4198
02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:34,880
there is acknowledgement of that in the

4199
02:59:33,279 --> 02:59:36,960
EIR and I believe in the revised

4200
02:59:34,880 --> 02:59:38,960
specific plan as well that that is

4201
02:59:36,960 --> 02:59:41,520
something that all parties may need to

4202
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:43,520
revisit as we move from this planning

4203
02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:45,600
stage into implementation. And so

4204
02:59:43,520 --> 02:59:47,439
especially um the questions that council

4205
02:59:45,600 --> 02:59:49,920
member Kern was bringing up about the

4206
02:59:47,439 --> 02:59:52,479
loading and the way the BRT lanes would

4207
02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:53,920
function potentially on Geneva. Those

4208
02:59:52,479 --> 02:59:55,840
are the types of discussions that we

4209
02:59:53,920 --> 02:59:58,160
will have to revisit with the

4210
02:59:55,840 --> 03:00:00,479
appropriate um transit agencies and

4211
02:59:58,160 --> 03:00:03,120
other relevant stakeholders uh and

4212
03:00:00,479 --> 03:00:05,439
determine if that bycounty study needs

4213
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:07,359
to be updated or if we're able to just

4214
03:00:05,439 --> 03:00:08,720
uh work out kind of the implementation

4215
03:00:07,359 --> 03:00:11,439
with those same parties that

4216
03:00:08,720 --> 03:00:13,680
participated in the study 13 years ago.

4217
03:00:11,439 --> 03:00:17,040
» Yeah. Yeah. you know, the items that I

4218
03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:20,240
listed, um, obviously you're right, the

4219
03:00:17,040 --> 03:00:22,880
study is from 2013,

4220
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:25,279
but those are items that that would be

4221
03:00:22,880 --> 03:00:26,000
relevant to today.

4222
03:00:25,279 --> 03:00:27,600
» So, Right.

4223
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:29,120
» And those are all incorporated into the

4224
03:00:27,600 --> 03:00:34,240
specific plan currently.

4225
03:00:29,120 --> 03:00:37,760
» Um, okay. I I I don't see things such as

4226
03:00:34,240 --> 03:00:40,399
um the Candlestick interchange. So the

4227
03:00:37,760 --> 03:00:42,240
candlestick interchange is considered as

4228
03:00:40,399 --> 03:00:45,040
part of the transportation analysis for

4229
03:00:42,240 --> 03:00:47,600
the bailins. However, that interchange

4230
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:50,319
is not part of the specific plan area.

4231
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:52,960
So therefore, it's not included in the

4232
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:54,479
specific plan. Um, but I'm sure Matt

4233
03:00:52,960 --> 03:00:56,479
from Fair and Pierce could also speak

4234
03:00:54,479 --> 03:00:58,399
about their transportation analysis.

4235
03:00:56,479 --> 03:01:00,720
Yeah, I have that in my Geneva Avenue

4236
03:00:58,399 --> 03:01:02,000
extension uh questions, but you know

4237
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:04,000
there's other things too like the third

4238
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:07,920
street light rail extension

4239
03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:09,279
» And uh reconfiguration of the multim of

4240
03:01:07,920 --> 03:01:11,920
the station.

4241
03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:15,680
» Um so I'm going to just throw this out

4242
03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:18,479
there to you. Um would you be open to

4243
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:20,880
say um having some kind of

4244
03:01:18,479 --> 03:01:24,720
transportation form? You talk about the

4245
03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:26,080
different transit agencies. Um,

4246
03:01:24,720 --> 03:01:29,439
Congressman Mullen's going to be in

4247
03:01:26,080 --> 03:01:31,520
Brisbane, I think, next week. Uh, you

4248
03:01:29,439 --> 03:01:34,800
know, Congressman Mullen represents not

4249
03:01:31,520 --> 03:01:37,200
just Brisbane, but also Biz Valley. You

4250
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:39,840
know, perhaps uh having the congressman,

4251
03:01:37,200 --> 03:01:42,720
you know, convene some kind of

4252
03:01:39,840 --> 03:01:44,800
transportation forum to evaluate uh

4253
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:47,359
funding, you know, from the federal,

4254
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:50,160
maybe we can get um some of our state

4255
03:01:47,359 --> 03:01:52,479
representatives. So, would you be

4256
03:01:50,160 --> 03:01:55,680
interested in in evaluating that and

4257
03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:56,640
looking at that uh by county study

4258
03:01:55,680 --> 03:01:58,560
» Together?

4259
03:01:56,640 --> 03:02:01,040
» Yep. We're always happy to meet with the

4260
03:01:58,560 --> 03:02:02,560
congressman's office and discuss these

4261
03:02:01,040 --> 03:02:03,840
things. Of course, all of those projects

4262
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:06,160
that you mentioned have regional

4263
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:07,760
significance and therefore also have

4264
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:09,279
regional implications for all of the

4265
03:02:07,760 --> 03:02:11,439
different stakeholders who have to pay

4266
03:02:09,279 --> 03:02:13,120
their fair share and participate in the

4267
03:02:11,439 --> 03:02:15,359
planning and implementation of those

4268
03:02:13,120 --> 03:02:17,120
projects. So, of course, as a relevant

4269
03:02:15,359 --> 03:02:17,840
party, we're happy to participate in

4270
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:19,200
those discussions.

4271
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:21,680
» Absolutely. Yeah, you know, when you

4272
03:02:19,200 --> 03:02:24,880
think about it, I mean, it's the site's

4273
03:02:21,680 --> 03:02:28,399
expensive and in so many different areas

4274
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:30,080
and so by uh looking for ways to partner

4275
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:32,160
together

4276
03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:33,600
» Uh makes sense, but that doesn't happen

4277
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,479
unless you have conversations.

4278
03:02:33,600 --> 03:02:35,520
» Sure.

4279
03:02:34,479 --> 03:02:38,160
» All right. Thank you,

4280
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:39,200
» Council Member Okonnell.

4281
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:41,439
» Nope.

4282
03:02:39,200 --> 03:02:44,800
» No further questions in this section.

4283
03:02:41,439 --> 03:02:51,399
» Okay. I have one

4284
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:51,399
if I can find it here. Ah, okay. Um,

4285
03:02:52,720 --> 03:02:56,319
» Oh,

4286
03:02:54,640 --> 03:03:01,040
do we have a motion to extend the

4287
03:02:56,319 --> 03:03:02,560
meeting? And how about we say

4288
03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,920
we'll just we'll make it an hour and

4289
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:05,120
then see where we're at.

4290
03:03:03,920 --> 03:03:06,319
» So moved.

4291
03:03:05,120 --> 03:03:07,200
» Second.

4292
03:03:06,319 --> 03:03:08,160
» Second.

4293
03:03:07,200 --> 03:03:09,520
» All in favor?

4294
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:11,682
» I I

4295
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:13,200
» Anyone opposed? No. Okay.

4296
03:03:11,682 --> 03:03:16,000
[clears throat]

4297
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:18,720
specific plan talks about active

4298
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:20,640
transportation network and it mentions

4299
03:03:18,720 --> 03:03:24,880
in accordance with the Brisbane bicycle

4300
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:27,279
and pedestrian master plan.

4301
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:32,399
What was the year of the last update to

4302
03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:34,080
that plan? Could someone answer that?

4303
03:03:32,399 --> 03:03:37,359
I think it's rather old.

4304
03:03:34,080 --> 03:03:39,200
» 2017, I believe. So, have we given any

4305
03:03:37,359 --> 03:03:42,399
thought to the fact that that's really

4306
03:03:39,200 --> 03:03:45,040
outdated to be using as a

4307
03:03:42,399 --> 03:03:46,399
reference?

4308
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:48,720
» Um, it [clears throat] is the most

4309
03:03:46,399 --> 03:03:50,880
up-to-date document that we have. Um, we

4310
03:03:48,720 --> 03:03:52,720
separately from this project, we are

4311
03:03:50,880 --> 03:03:56,399
looking at doing an update of that

4312
03:03:52,720 --> 03:03:58,080
document, but that is yet to be started.

4313
03:03:56,399 --> 03:04:00,160
» Okay.

4314
03:03:58,080 --> 03:04:02,800
All right.

4315
03:04:00,160 --> 03:04:04,960
Let's go back then to Council Member

4316
03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:06,080
O'Connell. You have you have no more

4317
03:04:04,960 --> 03:04:07,520
questions?

4318
03:04:06,080 --> 03:04:11,680
» Not on this section. No.

4319
03:04:07,520 --> 03:04:15,600
» Okay. Mayor Prom Davis

4320
03:04:11,680 --> 03:04:18,960
just um a quick question. So

4321
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:22,000
we have you know the TDM shuttle service

4322
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:24,880
and those are um aimed at achieving

4323
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:28,720
certain transportation performance. What

4324
03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:30,399
happens if those don't actually achieve

4325
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:32,160
the anticipated results we're looking

4326
03:04:30,399 --> 03:04:38,279
for? and is there a mechanism that we

4327
03:04:32,160 --> 03:04:38,279
could use to require additional action?

4328
03:04:38,960 --> 03:04:45,359
» Great question. Um, so commute.org has

4329
03:04:42,479 --> 03:04:46,800
uh through the TDM their countywide TDM

4330
03:04:45,359 --> 03:04:49,200
program has a monitoring program that

4331
03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:50,800
they have set up and so they they do

4332
03:04:49,200 --> 03:04:52,399
they oversee routine monitoring

4333
03:04:50,800 --> 03:04:54,479
throughout the throughout out the

4334
03:04:52,399 --> 03:04:57,840
county. Brisbane although has adopted

4335
03:04:54,479 --> 03:05:00,240
its own ordinance um is working with

4336
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:02,000
commute.org or to facilitate that type

4337
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:04,399
of monitoring for local projects. So,

4338
03:05:02,000 --> 03:05:06,640
they would be responsible for helping

4339
03:05:04,399 --> 03:05:08,479
the the city do that type of monitoring

4340
03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:10,560
in coordination with the TDM coordinator

4341
03:05:08,479 --> 03:05:13,120
through surveys and and their other

4342
03:05:10,560 --> 03:05:15,120
typical things that they gather.

4343
03:05:13,120 --> 03:05:17,359
» I'll just I'll just add on that the city

4344
03:05:15,120 --> 03:05:19,120
uh we already have kind of partnership

4345
03:05:17,359 --> 03:05:21,439
with commute.org. They have this one

4346
03:05:19,120 --> 03:05:24,160
commute platform which is really that

4347
03:05:21,439 --> 03:05:25,920
kind of monitoring program and we we do

4348
03:05:24,160 --> 03:05:28,080
submit we don't submit but we we use

4349
03:05:25,920 --> 03:05:30,160
that platform to to monitor projects

4350
03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:30,880
that are currently subject to our TDM

4351
03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:33,439
ordinance.

4352
03:05:30,880 --> 03:05:37,680
» Thank you.

4353
03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:39,439
» Uh Council Member Kern,

4354
03:05:37,680 --> 03:05:42,880
» No additional questions.

4355
03:05:39,439 --> 03:05:44,560
» Okay, then let's see. Uh Council Member

4356
03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:47,200
Lent,

4357
03:05:44,560 --> 03:05:51,520
» I'm ready to move on to Geneva Avenue.

4358
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:54,960
Okay. So, I have one more question.

4359
03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:58,160
Under regional transportation network,

4360
03:05:54,960 --> 03:06:00,560
it says Brisbane currently has two free

4361
03:05:58,160 --> 03:06:02,880
shuttle bus routes and that is I'm

4362
03:06:00,560 --> 03:06:04,720
calling attention that is factually

4363
03:06:02,880 --> 03:06:08,640
incorrect. The two routes were

4364
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:11,520
consolidated into one. So, the specific

4365
03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:14,720
plan needs to reflect that. That's the

4366
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:16,720
end of my questions also. So, we have

4367
03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:18,160
some members of the public. Madame

4368
03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:19,040
Mayor, would you be immunable to a fivem

4369
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:19,359
minute break?

4370
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:20,080
» Sure.

4371
03:06:19,359 --> 03:06:21,600
» Yeah, that'd be great.

4372
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:23,520
» Let's do a break and we'll come back

4373
03:06:21,600 --> 03:06:26,680
with public questions.

4374
03:06:23,520 --> 03:06:26,680
» Thank you.

4375
03:06:29,493 --> 03:06:31,513
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4390
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4391
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» [music]

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» Hey,

4397
03:09:23,726 --> 03:09:25,745
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4399
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» [music]

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» Heat. Heat.

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Oh, [music]

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4407
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:23,160
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4408
03:10:28,800 --> 03:10:31,901
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4409
03:11:05,907 --> 03:11:07,927
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4415
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» Hey,

4416
03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:31,640
hey,

4417
03:12:33,680 --> 03:12:36,680
hey.

4418
03:12:46,778 --> 03:12:51,720
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» Heat. Heat.

4420
03:12:52,018 --> 03:12:54,037
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4421
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4422
03:13:02,498 --> 03:13:04,518
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4423
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4424
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4425
03:13:12,979 --> 03:13:14,998
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4426
03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:21,399
Heat. Heat.

4427
03:13:24,113 --> 03:13:26,133
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4428
03:13:47,693 --> 03:13:49,713
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4429
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4430
03:13:53,680 --> 03:13:58,174
» Heat.

4431
03:13:55,520 --> 03:14:00,193
Heat.

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03:13:58,174 --> 03:14:00,193
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4433
03:14:14,880 --> 03:14:21,200
We're back in session

4434
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:23,680
and we're on public questions. First one

4435
03:14:21,200 --> 03:14:24,720
I have Karen Cunningham. Is she still

4436
03:14:23,680 --> 03:14:27,279
here?

4437
03:14:24,720 --> 03:14:31,920
» No. Okay.

4438
03:14:27,279 --> 03:14:35,120
Next one I have Ron Colona.

4439
03:14:31,920 --> 03:14:37,120
After Ron I'll have Michelle Linda

4440
03:14:35,120 --> 03:14:40,560
Salmon.

4441
03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:41,600
» Okay, both are gone.

4442
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:43,359
Go ahead, Ron.

4443
03:14:41,600 --> 03:14:46,239
» Okay.

4444
03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:49,279
Uh what started this or initiated my

4445
03:14:46,239 --> 03:14:53,120
being concerned about the transportation

4446
03:14:49,279 --> 03:14:55,359
linkages? Uh when they had the Bank of

4447
03:14:53,120 --> 03:14:57,120
America site, what are we going to do

4448
03:14:55,359 --> 03:14:59,920
with that? how could it be used? And I

4449
03:14:57,120 --> 03:15:02,479
thought, well, now that I'm associated

4450
03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:06,080
with the seniors intimately,

4451
03:15:02,479 --> 03:15:08,880
unfortunately, the uh the concerns of

4452
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:11,040
the seniors uh who aren't going to be

4453
03:15:08,880 --> 03:15:13,359
using many of the bike paths, aren't

4454
03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:15,840
going to be doing so many walks and all

4455
03:15:13,359 --> 03:15:18,960
this other stuff.

4456
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:23,200
uh it seemed like a hub

4457
03:15:18,960 --> 03:15:26,960
in that general area that could link

4458
03:15:23,200 --> 03:15:29,439
uh getting over getting across bayshore

4459
03:15:26,960 --> 03:15:32,239
which I guess you could and I'm thinking

4460
03:15:29,439 --> 03:15:35,279
of a smaller vehicle not shuttles

4461
03:15:32,239 --> 03:15:37,680
shuttles from what I've noticed them

4462
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:39,520
don't

4463
03:15:37,680 --> 03:15:42,640
uh accommodate that many people in any

4464
03:15:39,520 --> 03:15:45,760
one trip you see one or two people

4465
03:15:42,640 --> 03:15:47,439
they're never never full of uh

4466
03:15:45,760 --> 03:15:49,600
individuals.

4467
03:15:47,439 --> 03:15:51,520
So why what if they had smaller

4468
03:15:49,600 --> 03:15:54,880
vehicles,

4469
03:15:51,520 --> 03:16:00,720
battery operated vehicles that could

4470
03:15:54,880 --> 03:16:02,479
link especially, you know, as seniors

4471
03:16:00,720 --> 03:16:03,680
that wanted to say go to the marina

4472
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:05,840
parks. You're going to have several

4473
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:07,680
parks in the marina now all through the

4474
03:16:05,840 --> 03:16:10,960
place.

4475
03:16:07,680 --> 03:16:13,040
Uh also the you know the transfer

4476
03:16:10,960 --> 03:16:15,200
spots you know the bay train the bus

4477
03:16:13,040 --> 03:16:18,000
stops and the other things these could

4478
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:21,439
all be useful get for getting seniors to

4479
03:16:18,000 --> 03:16:24,080
u various places and they're more likely

4480
03:16:21,439 --> 03:16:27,840
to use this stuff than the people that

4481
03:16:24,080 --> 03:16:31,399
are bikers or whatever

4482
03:16:27,840 --> 03:16:31,399
the uh

4483
03:16:32,160 --> 03:16:36,560
the BFA site is I mean that's

4484
03:16:34,479 --> 03:16:37,840
unimportant that's just got me thinking

4485
03:16:36,560 --> 03:16:40,000
about

4486
03:16:37,840 --> 03:16:43,120
But I'm thinking if you got to smaller

4487
03:16:40,000 --> 03:16:45,120
vehicles, they don't have to be

4488
03:16:43,120 --> 03:16:48,880
you got to get somewhere between being

4489
03:16:45,120 --> 03:16:52,560
street legal, I guess, and and

4490
03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:56,080
being of a useful size.

4491
03:16:52,560 --> 03:16:58,560
But uh you know like the the Whimos you

4492
03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:01,760
you've seen those light blue colored

4493
03:16:58,560 --> 03:17:03,760
extended you know something uh something

4494
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:07,520
that could take the number of people

4495
03:17:03,760 --> 03:17:10,091
that would probably be using it at max

4496
03:17:07,520 --> 03:17:10,720
and uh

4497
03:17:10,091 --> 03:17:12,560
[clears throat]

4498
03:17:10,720 --> 03:17:14,239
loading them on and going to more

4499
03:17:12,560 --> 03:17:16,160
multiple sites. I mean you could take

4500
03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:17,760
that vehicle up into the ridge, you

4501
03:17:16,160 --> 03:17:20,479
could take it into the inner city, you

4502
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:23,200
could take it out to the marina.

4503
03:17:20,479 --> 03:17:24,800
So, uh,

4504
03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:27,120
the other thing that was I was thinking

4505
03:17:24,800 --> 03:17:28,960
about is that, well, if we use these

4506
03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:31,120
smaller vehicles, and they're

4507
03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:33,840
presumably,

4508
03:17:31,120 --> 03:17:35,840
uh, they're absolutely going to be

4509
03:17:33,840 --> 03:17:37,760
battery charged,

4510
03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:40,399
but what about all these parking

4511
03:17:37,760 --> 03:17:42,080
facilities within

4512
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:44,960
site?

4513
03:17:42,080 --> 03:17:47,600
There's no way. There's no reason to not

4514
03:17:44,960 --> 03:17:50,800
have panels that could be used for

4515
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:54,080
charging these vehicles overnight so

4516
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:56,080
they'd be ready to

4517
03:17:54,080 --> 03:17:58,319
go wherever they're being scheduled to

4518
03:17:56,080 --> 03:18:01,200
go that day.

4519
03:17:58,319 --> 03:18:03,439
Uh, and one thing I noticed, I thought

4520
03:18:01,200 --> 03:18:06,640
of this years ago, but I had not heard

4521
03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:09,680
of it until recently, that uh, in

4522
03:18:06,640 --> 03:18:12,160
Australia where they the side the panels

4523
03:18:09,680 --> 03:18:15,200
weren't only on the roof. They were also

4524
03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:16,080
on a building siding.

4525
03:18:15,200 --> 03:18:17,600
And we [clears throat] have some

4526
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:20,560
highrises that are going to be, you

4527
03:18:17,600 --> 03:18:22,797
know, with a south facing going to get

4528
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:24,720
more charging than you need.

4529
03:18:22,797 --> 03:18:27,200
[clears throat]

4530
03:18:24,720 --> 03:18:28,960
So, um,

4531
03:18:27,200 --> 03:18:32,880
well, that's it. you how you would

4532
03:18:28,960 --> 03:18:35,120
integrate all these notions. Uh I don't

4533
03:18:32,880 --> 03:18:37,040
have a clue but I just thought that

4534
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:38,560
would be a nice answer to a lot of

4535
03:18:37,040 --> 03:18:43,102
problems. Thank you.

4536
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:45,121
» Thank you. Online we have Roland.

4537
03:18:43,102 --> 03:18:45,121
[clears throat]

4538
03:18:51,617 --> 03:18:55,200
[clears throat]

4539
03:18:53,040 --> 03:18:57,600
» Rolling your mute. There we go.

4540
03:18:55,200 --> 03:18:59,520
» Yeah. Thank you. Um, [laughter] uh,

4541
03:18:57,600 --> 03:19:01,120
Madame Mayor and Council, is this the

4542
03:18:59,520 --> 03:19:03,840
appropriate time to talk about the

4543
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:05,840
interface between, uh, Cal Train and the

4544
03:19:03,840 --> 03:19:07,680
Geneva Avenue extension, or should I

4545
03:19:05,840 --> 03:19:10,720
wait until the next item?

4546
03:19:07,680 --> 03:19:12,080
» I think I would wait till Geneva Avenue

4547
03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:13,439
extension.

4548
03:19:12,080 --> 03:19:14,960
» We'll do. Thank you.

4549
03:19:13,439 --> 03:19:17,600
» Okay,

4550
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:20,080
can I just want to follow up on Ron's

4551
03:19:17,600 --> 03:19:23,520
uh, comment staff, real quick.

4552
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:25,600
» So, I'm sorry. There we go. Yeah. Yeah.

4553
03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:29,920
So, I wanted to follow up on uh Ron's uh

4554
03:19:25,600 --> 03:19:32,880
comment about, you know, potentially on

4555
03:19:29,920 --> 03:19:36,160
demand smaller

4556
03:19:32,880 --> 03:19:38,399
um shuttles, you know, say in central

4557
03:19:36,160 --> 03:19:43,439
Brisbane and the Northeast Ridge

4558
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:46,319
connecting to the proposed shuttle that

4559
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:48,960
uh that the developer is proposing. Is

4560
03:19:46,319 --> 03:19:53,359
that is that shown anywhere in the

4561
03:19:48,960 --> 03:19:56,640
specific plan or mentioned? It's not not

4562
03:19:53,359 --> 03:19:58,479
shown no specifically, but yeah.

4563
03:19:56,640 --> 03:20:02,239
» Okay. But that that could be something

4564
03:19:58,479 --> 03:20:04,080
that could be implemented.

4565
03:20:02,239 --> 03:20:06,000
» Okay. If you want to I thought I saw

4566
03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:08,880
something in there, but just very

4567
03:20:06,000 --> 03:20:12,720
briefly if you wouldn't mind.

4568
03:20:08,880 --> 03:20:16,080
» Yeah. If you look at table 6.5.1

4569
03:20:12,720 --> 03:20:19,439
proposed bays shuttle routes, there's a

4570
03:20:16,080 --> 03:20:21,359
reference to the um

4571
03:20:19,439 --> 03:20:24,399
» On demand, right? the shuttles being

4572
03:20:21,359 --> 03:20:28,000
provided at specific intervals on

4573
03:20:24,399 --> 03:20:30,720
weekdays or in some cases on demand

4574
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:34,560
service on weekends.

4575
03:20:30,720 --> 03:20:36,479
» Yeah. So, you know, if people had the an

4576
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:39,040
app on their smartphone and they could

4577
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:42,399
request that and catch the shuttle and

4578
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:45,680
then come to the designated shuttle

4579
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:46,960
route and then get on the shuttle. Okay,

4580
03:20:45,680 --> 03:20:49,520
that sounds like something that that

4581
03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:50,720
could possibly be done. All right. Thank

4582
03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:52,640
you.

4583
03:20:50,720 --> 03:20:55,680
» All right. We go on to the next section.

4584
03:20:52,640 --> 03:20:59,120
Geneva Avenue Extension Council

4585
03:20:55,680 --> 03:21:02,120
questions. Let us start with Mayor Prom

4586
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:02,120
Davis.

4587
03:21:02,399 --> 03:21:07,120
Um, I just have one question in this

4588
03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:09,439
section

4589
03:21:07,120 --> 03:21:12,880
and

4590
03:21:09,439 --> 03:21:16,239
provided the council is on board, I'd

4591
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:17,920
like for us to consider removing

4592
03:21:16,239 --> 03:21:20,160
references in the specific plan that

4593
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:21,520
establish future ownership or a specific

4594
03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:23,920
funding mechanism for major

4595
03:21:21,520 --> 03:21:26,800
infrastructure such as Geneva Avenue

4596
03:21:23,920 --> 03:21:29,520
extension. And I think that the specific

4597
03:21:26,800 --> 03:21:31,760
plan should establish the transportation

4598
03:21:29,520 --> 03:21:33,200
improvements that are necessary to

4599
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:35,120
support the development, but I don't

4600
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:37,439
think that it should predetermine the

4601
03:21:35,120 --> 03:21:39,439
city's ownership of those facilities or

4602
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:42,880
what financing mechanism will be used to

4603
03:21:39,439 --> 03:21:44,720
deliver them. And those are really

4604
03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:46,080
implementation and financing decisions

4605
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:47,520
that should be addressed through a

4606
03:21:46,080 --> 03:21:49,359
development agreement or other

4607
03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:52,080
appropriate actions as a project moves

4608
03:21:49,359 --> 03:21:55,600
forward. And I would ask staff to revise

4609
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:58,000
table 8.2.1 2.1 so that it identifies

4610
03:21:55,600 --> 03:22:00,880
the improvement and its role in the

4611
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:05,279
transportation system but does not state

4612
03:22:00,880 --> 03:22:07,520
city-owned or EIF funded as

4613
03:22:05,279 --> 03:22:09,200
predetermined outcomes. And I don't know

4614
03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:12,479
if that's I mean I know they're kind of

4615
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:15,359
listed maybe it's listed as ways these

4616
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:18,160
might be funded but I think

4617
03:22:15,359 --> 03:22:20,800
I don't want that table to be

4618
03:22:18,160 --> 03:22:24,239
misunderstood as this is for sure how

4619
03:22:20,800 --> 03:22:27,040
it's going to be funded. Um

4620
03:22:24,239 --> 03:22:31,560
so I know there is like a little caveat

4621
03:22:27,040 --> 03:22:31,560
below that. Um

4622
03:22:32,560 --> 03:22:35,439
so

4623
03:22:32,960 --> 03:22:37,359
» I think it's clear what you're saying. I

4624
03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:39,439
understand what you're saying. So yeah,

4625
03:22:37,359 --> 03:22:42,000
that's just my that's that's less of a

4626
03:22:39,439 --> 03:22:43,359
question and more of a staff direction.

4627
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,399
And of course, the rest of the council

4628
03:22:43,359 --> 03:22:47,680
would have to be on board with that

4629
03:22:44,399 --> 03:22:50,800
change. But to me, I really am concerned

4630
03:22:47,680 --> 03:22:52,880
about anything that prescribes ownership

4631
03:22:50,800 --> 03:22:58,880
for the city or outlines that the city

4632
03:22:52,880 --> 03:23:01,040
may be collaborating in um financing.

4633
03:22:58,880 --> 03:23:03,795
» Okay. Thank you. Uh Council Member

4634
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:05,105
Okonnell.

4635
03:23:03,795 --> 03:23:05,600
[cough]

4636
03:23:05,105 --> 03:23:08,960
» [clears throat]

4637
03:23:05,600 --> 03:23:12,640
» So to and and this is maybe a bit

4638
03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:15,920
esoteric, but the Geneva Avenue

4639
03:23:12,640 --> 03:23:20,080
extension is serving not only the

4640
03:23:15,920 --> 03:23:23,520
project and creating a way to get over

4641
03:23:20,080 --> 03:23:25,840
the tracks. Um but it's also ser serving

4642
03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:28,239
the larger community.

4643
03:23:25,840 --> 03:23:31,520
Um,

4644
03:23:28,239 --> 03:23:36,399
if it doesn't get built,

4645
03:23:31,520 --> 03:23:39,200
what will we need to do to meet our

4646
03:23:36,399 --> 03:23:43,200
the goals of the circulation

4647
03:23:39,200 --> 03:23:46,160
and the TDM goals?

4648
03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:48,239
And can

4649
03:23:46,160 --> 03:23:51,520
because of this project and that it

4650
03:23:48,239 --> 03:23:56,319
serves other communities besides just

4651
03:23:51,520 --> 03:24:02,200
this project, can we

4652
03:23:56,319 --> 03:24:02,200
require that the developer pays for that

4653
03:24:04,056 --> 03:24:08,520
[clears throat] in the specific plan.

4654
03:24:13,040 --> 03:24:17,120
So

4655
03:24:15,040 --> 03:24:20,080
complicated question. So maybe I maybe

4656
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:24,239
the city attorney and I can um try to

4657
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:27,920
take this one on. So the specific plan

4658
03:24:24,239 --> 03:24:30,319
and EIR identify that it would need to

4659
03:24:27,920 --> 03:24:34,239
be completed as a part of the phase one

4660
03:24:30,319 --> 03:24:36,239
construction. So west of west of uh Cal

4661
03:24:34,239 --> 03:24:40,000
Train tracks to support that level of

4662
03:24:36,239 --> 03:24:42,880
growth. Um, and so that's that the

4663
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:45,120
extent of the EIR analysis is based on

4664
03:24:42,880 --> 03:24:49,120
that needing to be in place as a

4665
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:50,880
mitigation measure. Um,

4666
03:24:49,120 --> 03:24:53,359
» And that would mean it would need to be

4667
03:24:50,880 --> 03:24:54,720
developer funded.

4668
03:24:53,359 --> 03:24:57,600
» I'll turn it over to the city attorney

4669
03:24:54,720 --> 03:24:59,120
for that one. And maybe we're delving

4670
03:24:57,600 --> 03:25:02,399
into

4671
03:24:59,120 --> 03:25:05,920
the financing portion of it, but it's

4672
03:25:02,399 --> 03:25:09,840
really my concern that if it doesn't get

4673
03:25:05,920 --> 03:25:13,040
developed and if the this developer is

4674
03:25:09,840 --> 03:25:17,279
selling little sections off to be built

4675
03:25:13,040 --> 03:25:21,760
in phases that which phase is going to

4676
03:25:17,279 --> 03:25:24,160
pay that I mean which block of housing

4677
03:25:21,760 --> 03:25:26,880
or commercial is going to pay for that

4678
03:25:24,160 --> 03:25:30,359
because that's going to a tremendous

4679
03:25:26,880 --> 03:25:30,359
amount of money.

4680
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:35,520
But what is and I'm relating it back to

4681
03:25:32,800 --> 03:25:39,040
what our

4682
03:25:35,520 --> 03:25:45,399
ramifications of them not doing it are

4683
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:45,399
once 80% of phase one's built

4684
03:25:49,040 --> 03:25:52,000
» And you can come back with that. Yeah,

4685
03:25:50,560 --> 03:25:53,760
we'll have to we'll have to go through

4686
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:55,040
the mitigation monitoring program a

4687
03:25:53,760 --> 03:25:57,600
little bit and tease that apart to give

4688
03:25:55,040 --> 03:25:59,600
you a more comprehensive answer.

4689
03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:03,120
» Okay. Thank you.

4690
03:25:59,600 --> 03:26:05,279
» Okay, Council Member Lance.

4691
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:09,279
» Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, can we pull

4692
03:26:05,279 --> 03:26:11,840
up figure 6.3.2?

4693
03:26:09,279 --> 03:26:17,040
That's the one that's got Geneva and

4694
03:26:11,840 --> 03:26:19,920
it's I guess it's maybe going towards it

4695
03:26:17,040 --> 03:26:24,040
says uh Geneva Avenue Bridge and Geneva

4696
03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:24,040
Avenue frontage roads.

4697
03:26:28,640 --> 03:26:32,880
» It's on my slides. So if

4698
03:26:31,760 --> 03:26:34,560
» Yes, we saw it.

4699
03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:39,560
» City clerk. Yeah, I'm trying talking to

4700
03:26:34,560 --> 03:26:39,560
the city manager here. Sorry. It's okay.

4701
03:26:44,532 --> 03:26:46,552
» [cough and clears throat]

4702
03:26:49,680 --> 03:26:53,720
» Do you know it slide number?

4703
03:26:56,720 --> 03:27:02,479
» Yeah, it's going to be Keep going. Keep

4704
03:26:58,800 --> 03:27:03,200
going. It's two more. One more. There

4705
03:27:02,479 --> 03:27:06,000
you go.

4706
03:27:03,200 --> 03:27:10,200
» Okay. There you go. All right. If we can

4707
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:10,200
make that one bigger, that'd be great.

4708
03:27:13,600 --> 03:27:20,479
All right. Well, maybe that's as Okay,

4709
03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:23,600
there we go. Thank you. So, um,

4710
03:27:20,479 --> 03:27:26,399
so looking at the bottom picture, so we

4711
03:27:23,600 --> 03:27:28,560
have six lanes. Two lanes going west,

4712
03:27:26,399 --> 03:27:30,720
two lanes going east, and then we have

4713
03:27:28,560 --> 03:27:34,640
the two BRT

4714
03:27:30,720 --> 03:27:38,479
lanes in the center. So when it crosses

4715
03:27:34,640 --> 03:27:42,319
over the train tracks, how do we funnel

4716
03:27:38,479 --> 03:27:46,080
these six lanes underneath the 101 to

4717
03:27:42,319 --> 03:27:49,439
get out to Candlestick?

4718
03:27:46,080 --> 03:27:52,000
So that's where Geneva Avenue would

4719
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:53,840
connect to the new Candlestick

4720
03:27:52,000 --> 03:27:56,800
interchange.

4721
03:27:53,840 --> 03:27:59,040
And I understand that this is a really

4722
03:27:56,800 --> 03:28:01,840
complicated part of the regional

4723
03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:04,720
transportation connections here, but the

4724
03:28:01,840 --> 03:28:07,600
candlestick interchange um as envisioned

4725
03:28:04,720 --> 03:28:10,080
through the bycounty study was

4726
03:28:07,600 --> 03:28:12,640
identified as a mitigation measure and

4727
03:28:10,080 --> 03:28:14,160
that the bayands as identified in the by

4728
03:28:12,640 --> 03:28:16,880
county study would need to contribute

4729
03:28:14,160 --> 03:28:18,800
its fair share towards that project you

4730
03:28:16,880 --> 03:28:21,439
know which candlestick development in

4731
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:24,399
San Francisco also contributes to. So

4732
03:28:21,439 --> 03:28:26,720
that is where the Geneva Avenue

4733
03:28:24,399 --> 03:28:31,279
as proposed by the developer would then

4734
03:28:26,720 --> 03:28:34,399
connect into that new interchange.

4735
03:28:31,279 --> 03:28:39,359
» Did your company uh do that study?

4736
03:28:34,399 --> 03:28:41,920
» We did the trans the traffic analysis of

4737
03:28:39,359 --> 03:28:43,680
the different scenarios I just described

4738
03:28:41,920 --> 03:28:45,120
of what would happen if you build the

4739
03:28:43,680 --> 03:28:46,560
Geneva Avenue with or without the

4740
03:28:45,120 --> 03:28:48,239
candlestick interchange. Do you have

4741
03:28:46,560 --> 03:28:50,640
some renderings that show us I mean

4742
03:28:48,239 --> 03:28:51,439
right now we just have a cut off bridge

4743
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:52,479
and that's it.

4744
03:28:51,439 --> 03:28:53,920
» The bridge to nowhere

4745
03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:56,399
» Bridge to nowhere.

4746
03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:58,080
» We we no there were no no renderings. We

4747
03:28:56,399 --> 03:29:01,600
didn't prepare any renderings for the IR

4748
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:04,319
analysis. It's it's reference there were

4749
03:29:01,600 --> 03:29:05,920
you know designs prepared for the by

4750
03:29:04,319 --> 03:29:08,000
county study and the follow-up project

4751
03:29:05,920 --> 03:29:10,640
study report CALR project study report

4752
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:14,399
that was completed in 2015.

4753
03:29:10,640 --> 03:29:18,399
Now what the EIR identifies is that

4754
03:29:14,399 --> 03:29:20,319
because of change conditions since 2013

4755
03:29:18,399 --> 03:29:23,520
and 2015

4756
03:29:20,319 --> 03:29:26,479
um the by county study and the project

4757
03:29:23,520 --> 03:29:29,120
study report will all need to be updated

4758
03:29:26,479 --> 03:29:31,439
to reflect current kind of traffic and

4759
03:29:29,120 --> 03:29:34,000
travel conditions through this area. So

4760
03:29:31,439 --> 03:29:36,960
what we did is we analyzed okay would

4761
03:29:34,000 --> 03:29:39,520
the prior

4762
03:29:36,960 --> 03:29:42,000
c as proposed candlestick interchange

4763
03:29:39,520 --> 03:29:45,040
that has you know this funding by county

4764
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:46,880
funding agreement would that address the

4765
03:29:45,040 --> 03:29:50,800
significant impacts in the project? The

4766
03:29:46,880 --> 03:29:53,920
answer is yes and that that part of the

4767
03:29:50,800 --> 03:29:55,600
process is a reg regionally significant

4768
03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:57,279
coordinated pro program as you were

4769
03:29:55,600 --> 03:29:59,600
referring to earlier as part of these

4770
03:29:57,279 --> 03:30:03,920
these conversations that will need to be

4771
03:29:59,600 --> 03:30:06,399
updated for final design um and through

4772
03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:07,840
CALR standard process because CALR has a

4773
03:30:06,399 --> 03:30:11,120
standard process that is of course

4774
03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:11,920
outside of the city's control to to

4775
03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:13,200
dictate.

4776
03:30:11,920 --> 03:30:16,720
» Yeah. You know, there's another slide

4777
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:19,920
that you showed and it had maybe it was

4778
03:30:16,720 --> 03:30:21,120
yours, Katie, where it it shows that,

4779
03:30:19,920 --> 03:30:21,840
» You know, there's a little arrow.

4780
03:30:21,120 --> 03:30:23,680
» Yeah. If you go

4781
03:30:21,840 --> 03:30:27,200
» Across and then it goes underneath the

4782
03:30:23,680 --> 03:30:28,960
freeway and um but when you look at

4783
03:30:27,200 --> 03:30:32,399
this, I mean, if this is what you're

4784
03:30:28,960 --> 03:30:35,439
building and then this is what could

4785
03:30:32,399 --> 03:30:38,239
happen if you don't get people to come

4786
03:30:35,439 --> 03:30:40,640
together and work something out, that

4787
03:30:38,239 --> 03:30:42,960
doesn't seem possible.

4788
03:30:40,640 --> 03:30:44,720
Can you

4789
03:30:42,960 --> 03:30:46,319
maybe just step me through that your

4790
03:30:44,720 --> 03:30:47,359
your point again and if there's a

4791
03:30:46,319 --> 03:30:49,680
question in there? Sorry.

4792
03:30:47,359 --> 03:30:52,399
» Yeah. Well, so yeah, so I'm just I'm I'm

4793
03:30:49,680 --> 03:30:53,120
trying to grasp what what's being shown

4794
03:30:52,399 --> 03:30:53,600
to us.

4795
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:56,479
» Yeah.

4796
03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:57,439
» And what we're going to approve.

4797
03:30:56,479 --> 03:31:01,680
» Y

4798
03:30:57,439 --> 03:31:05,120
» So we have six lanes going across the

4799
03:31:01,680 --> 03:31:06,720
tracks and they're going to continue

4800
03:31:05,120 --> 03:31:08,960
east.

4801
03:31:06,720 --> 03:31:11,439
There's um there's a you know kind of

4802
03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:13,600
very simple diagram that shows the

4803
03:31:11,439 --> 03:31:16,880
arrows and where things go and one of

4804
03:31:13,600 --> 03:31:20,000
the arrows goes underneath the freeway

4805
03:31:16,880 --> 03:31:22,160
coming from Geneva.

4806
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:25,760
So I'm just trying to square that up.

4807
03:31:22,160 --> 03:31:28,880
How does that happen if you don't have

4808
03:31:25,760 --> 03:31:32,960
the partnership from all of the you know

4809
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:34,720
the the regional players?

4810
03:31:32,960 --> 03:31:36,399
» Yeah. I mean that's it's it's

4811
03:31:34,720 --> 03:31:39,200
fundamentally like a two two-part

4812
03:31:36,399 --> 03:31:41,520
project that would need to happen. Um

4813
03:31:39,200 --> 03:31:43,680
you know the what the developer in the

4814
03:31:41,520 --> 03:31:45,600
specific plan shows is that it ends the

4815
03:31:43,680 --> 03:31:48,160
Virginia Avenue extension ends at the

4816
03:31:45,600 --> 03:31:51,120
existing intersection of Alana and Batty

4817
03:31:48,160 --> 03:31:53,279
um which is a three-legg intersection

4818
03:31:51,120 --> 03:31:55,680
today and you know theoretically you

4819
03:31:53,279 --> 03:31:57,520
could put a fourth leg there but

4820
03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:59,600
operational the problem the challenge

4821
03:31:57,520 --> 03:32:03,200
that we identified in the EIR and that's

4822
03:31:59,600 --> 03:32:05,200
why that that's why the rebuilding the

4823
03:32:03,200 --> 03:32:06,960
interchange is a part of the mitigation

4824
03:32:05,200 --> 03:32:08,160
strategies because it's not proposed by

4825
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:11,359
the

4826
03:32:08,160 --> 03:32:14,720
So we have so there is a mechanism now

4827
03:32:11,359 --> 03:32:16,960
for same as what candlestick has to do.

4828
03:32:14,720 --> 03:32:18,399
Candlestick couldn't control rebuilding

4829
03:32:16,960 --> 03:32:20,880
the interchange but the city of San

4830
03:32:18,399 --> 03:32:22,640
Francisco required that Candlestick

4831
03:32:20,880 --> 03:32:25,920
contribute their fair share to real

4832
03:32:22,640 --> 03:32:27,760
rebuilding you know candlestick can can

4833
03:32:25,920 --> 03:32:30,239
build the Harney way side of things but

4834
03:32:27,760 --> 03:32:32,479
then they can't do the interchange. So,

4835
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:36,479
it's it's it's mirroring what what

4836
03:32:32,479 --> 03:32:38,399
candlestick eir did um on on the other

4837
03:32:36,479 --> 03:32:40,880
side.

4838
03:32:38,399 --> 03:32:45,760
» Okay. I mean I mean really what you're

4839
03:32:40,880 --> 03:32:49,200
you're showing us is basically uh an

4840
03:32:45,760 --> 03:32:51,680
infeasible Geneva Avenue extension

4841
03:32:49,200 --> 03:32:54,399
bridge, right? I guess maybe you could

4842
03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:58,479
use part of Geneva Avenue extension as

4843
03:32:54,399 --> 03:33:01,520
it, you know, say west of the tracks,

4844
03:32:58,479 --> 03:33:03,840
but that after that it's you can't, you

4845
03:33:01,520 --> 03:33:05,760
know, why would you build it

4846
03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:07,439
» Unless you you know, you could make the

4847
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:08,880
connection to the other side.

4848
03:33:07,439 --> 03:33:10,960
» Yeah. And and that's and that's where

4849
03:33:08,880 --> 03:33:12,479
that that regional project that's Yes.

4850
03:33:10,960 --> 03:33:14,239
That's

4851
03:33:12,479 --> 03:33:16,080
Yes. This is the the complicated nature

4852
03:33:14,239 --> 03:33:18,239
of it. Theoretically, you know, you

4853
03:33:16,080 --> 03:33:20,960
could build build a structure while

4854
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:22,479
Kennel stick is being, you know, move

4855
03:33:20,960 --> 03:33:24,720
move forward as well, create a

4856
03:33:22,479 --> 03:33:26,319
connection to the existing intersection.

4857
03:33:24,720 --> 03:33:28,880
What we found is that that, you know,

4858
03:33:26,319 --> 03:33:30,160
that's probably going to be overloaded

4859
03:33:28,880 --> 03:33:31,600
pretty quickly. I mean, that's this is

4860
03:33:30,160 --> 03:33:35,040
this is the crux of the problem that the

4861
03:33:31,600 --> 03:33:37,359
prior EIR identified for for Baylands um

4862
03:33:35,040 --> 03:33:40,560
to as well. So this is this is really

4863
03:33:37,359 --> 03:33:44,319
just a consistent kind of framework

4864
03:33:40,560 --> 03:33:47,200
um from both the prior EIR the by county

4865
03:33:44,319 --> 03:33:49,279
study the candlestick EIR

4866
03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:51,680
um

4867
03:33:49,279 --> 03:33:54,479
that this this ER relied on.

4868
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:55,040
» Okay. So I'm sorry you know if I just

4869
03:33:54,479 --> 03:33:56,640
can

4870
03:33:55,040 --> 03:33:57,920
» Is it going to I just want to ask just

4871
03:33:56,640 --> 03:33:59,680
one more question.

4872
03:33:57,920 --> 03:34:01,439
» We got one per council member.

4873
03:33:59,680 --> 03:34:03,040
» Okay. All right. I'll come on back. No

4874
03:34:01,439 --> 03:34:05,040
you know you guys should ask the

4875
03:34:03,040 --> 03:34:05,760
questions on this too. One per council

4876
03:34:05,040 --> 03:34:08,880
member Kern.

4877
03:34:05,760 --> 03:34:10,960
» Absolutely. Thank you so much. Um, you

4878
03:34:08,880 --> 03:34:13,200
guys checked off quite a few questions

4879
03:34:10,960 --> 03:34:15,040
that I had already on here. So, I guess

4880
03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:18,960
Matt, let me just ask you this real

4881
03:34:15,040 --> 03:34:22,560
fundamental, super basic question.

4882
03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:27,080
Can the candlestick exchange exist

4883
03:34:22,560 --> 03:34:27,080
without the Geneva Avenue extension?

4884
03:34:27,680 --> 03:34:33,920
» Can the candlestick interchange uh exist

4885
03:34:30,479 --> 03:34:36,239
without the Geneva Avenue extension? Um

4886
03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:38,880
it's

4887
03:34:36,239 --> 03:34:41,040
uh in all prior planning documents the

4888
03:34:38,880 --> 03:34:42,960
two of them have been identified

4889
03:34:41,040 --> 03:34:45,520
together.

4890
03:34:42,960 --> 03:34:48,239
So that um that's not something that we

4891
03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:49,680
studied as a part of this project.

4892
03:34:48,239 --> 03:34:50,560
» Okay. That was a very fundamental

4893
03:34:49,680 --> 03:34:51,680
question. I get it.

4894
03:34:50,560 --> 03:34:53,439
» Yeah.

4895
03:34:51,680 --> 03:34:56,080
» So I'm going to reverse the question and

4896
03:34:53,439 --> 03:34:59,359
say can the Geneva Avenue extension with

4897
03:34:56,080 --> 03:35:00,800
exist without the candlestick exchange?

4898
03:34:59,359 --> 03:35:02,560
I'm going to guess you're going to say

4899
03:35:00,800 --> 03:35:04,000
yes. And I'm going to guess that that

4900
03:35:02,560 --> 03:35:06,399
means the traffic coming off the

4901
03:35:04,000 --> 03:35:08,000
extension will be routed onto Alana Way

4902
03:35:06,399 --> 03:35:10,640
and then Harney Way and then on through

4903
03:35:08,000 --> 03:35:10,960
the existing on-ramp going northbound.

4904
03:35:10,640 --> 03:35:14,319
Exa

4905
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:15,840
» Ex Ex. Exactly. And and as I just

4906
03:35:14,319 --> 03:35:17,680
described like that creates a

4907
03:35:15,840 --> 03:35:19,520
challenging situation.

4908
03:35:17,680 --> 03:35:20,960
» Absolutely.

4909
03:35:19,520 --> 03:35:23,040
» Okay. Thank you. I don't have any other

4910
03:35:20,960 --> 03:35:25,040
questions.

4911
03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:27,040
» So I'm going to parlay off of what's

4912
03:35:25,040 --> 03:35:30,160
just been

4913
03:35:27,040 --> 03:35:33,439
» Just put on the table.

4914
03:35:30,160 --> 03:35:35,760
We have a specific plan to approve and

4915
03:35:33,439 --> 03:35:40,080
we're being asked to approve this Geneva

4916
03:35:35,760 --> 03:35:44,000
extension which really could completely

4917
03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:48,640
transform into something else based upon

4918
03:35:44,000 --> 03:35:52,080
Calrans and a byount another by county

4919
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:55,279
study on this. So why would we even be

4920
03:35:52,080 --> 03:35:58,279
approving the design other than a

4921
03:35:55,279 --> 03:35:58,279
concept?

4922
03:35:59,520 --> 03:36:03,840
» I think that's essentially what you are

4923
03:36:01,840 --> 03:36:07,600
approving right now. You know what the

4924
03:36:03,840 --> 03:36:09,840
specific plan outlines is that there are

4925
03:36:07,600 --> 03:36:11,840
two travel lanes in each direction. You

4926
03:36:09,840 --> 03:36:14,399
have separated facility, you know, bike

4927
03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:17,040
and ped facilities on either side. And

4928
03:36:14,399 --> 03:36:19,520
you provide the the BRT lanes as called

4929
03:36:17,040 --> 03:36:21,120
for in prior regional planning studies.

4930
03:36:19,520 --> 03:36:23,520
So there's there's no, you know, kind of

4931
03:36:21,120 --> 03:36:26,160
like engineering design associated with

4932
03:36:23,520 --> 03:36:28,239
it. Um there's an alignment. There's

4933
03:36:26,160 --> 03:36:29,600
enough detail that you can analyze, you

4934
03:36:28,239 --> 03:36:30,880
know, what the environmental impacts

4935
03:36:29,600 --> 03:36:32,080
would be.

4936
03:36:30,880 --> 03:36:34,800
» Um

4937
03:36:32,080 --> 03:36:36,720
» Were those configurations

4938
03:36:34,800 --> 03:36:39,359
something that were in the bycount

4939
03:36:36,720 --> 03:36:42,160
study? Because I know they did look at

4940
03:36:39,359 --> 03:36:44,239
Geneva. Was it that configuration with

4941
03:36:42,160 --> 03:36:47,600
the double-decker and the the way the

4942
03:36:44,239 --> 03:36:49,520
lanes are are laid out? Um I think I

4943
03:36:47,600 --> 03:36:51,040
think and maybe the I don't know if the

4944
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:53,760
applicant wants to speak to this of like

4945
03:36:51,040 --> 03:36:55,840
how they changed the design of Geneva

4946
03:36:53,760 --> 03:36:57,600
but it it's it's slightly different but

4947
03:36:55,840 --> 03:37:00,479
and that's why one of the reasons why

4948
03:36:57,600 --> 03:37:02,880
the PSR would need to be um updated the

4949
03:37:00,479 --> 03:37:05,200
the the overall configuration though of

4950
03:37:02,880 --> 03:37:08,160
what we what I just mentioned that is

4951
03:37:05,200 --> 03:37:10,239
the same. Uh there are were four lanes

4952
03:37:08,160 --> 03:37:13,920
previously for vehicle traffic. there

4953
03:37:10,239 --> 03:37:15,600
are two BRT lanes um down the middle and

4954
03:37:13,920 --> 03:37:18,239
there have been plans of how you then

4955
03:37:15,600 --> 03:37:21,600
connect the BRT under the freeway and

4956
03:37:18,239 --> 03:37:25,120
allow the you know vehicle vehicle

4957
03:37:21,600 --> 03:37:26,239
traffic to to go over under Highway 101.

4958
03:37:25,120 --> 03:37:28,640
Um

4959
03:37:26,239 --> 03:37:31,520
» So again I'm going to come back to this.

4960
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:33,760
It seems to me we should be approving a

4961
03:37:31,520 --> 03:37:36,239
concept of

4962
03:37:33,760 --> 03:37:40,080
some vagaries of lanes and connections

4963
03:37:36,239 --> 03:37:41,840
without a final design that's has an

4964
03:37:40,080 --> 03:37:44,080
illustration that may be completely

4965
03:37:41,840 --> 03:37:46,479
obsolete

4966
03:37:44,080 --> 03:37:49,439
because

4967
03:37:46,479 --> 03:37:52,479
we're approving a design is is there's

4968
03:37:49,439 --> 03:37:54,479
an illustration and and I would feel

4969
03:37:52,479 --> 03:37:58,239
personally more comfortable in approving

4970
03:37:54,479 --> 03:38:00,319
a concept noting that this is to be

4971
03:37:58,239 --> 03:38:05,439
determined by a by county study rather

4972
03:38:00,319 --> 03:38:07,840
than specifics that may all change.

4973
03:38:05,439 --> 03:38:10,640
» Well, I mean I

4974
03:38:07,840 --> 03:38:12,720
I think that that that that is kind of

4975
03:38:10,640 --> 03:38:13,920
what just to reemphasize what Matt had

4976
03:38:12,720 --> 03:38:17,040
said. That is more or less what the

4977
03:38:13,920 --> 03:38:20,640
specific plan is. It's the lane

4978
03:38:17,040 --> 03:38:23,920
configuration and the expression of how

4979
03:38:20,640 --> 03:38:27,279
the street would work, but it's not the

4980
03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:29,600
engineering for it. It's not the actual

4981
03:38:27,279 --> 03:38:32,720
design of that infrastructure that that

4982
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:34,479
is something that would happen later as

4983
03:38:32,720 --> 03:38:37,359
part of you know the process that you

4984
03:38:34,479 --> 03:38:40,640
were just describing. So I I'm

4985
03:38:37,359 --> 03:38:43,680
guess I'm not sure what you what

4986
03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:45,600
component of it you would prefer not be

4987
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:47,200
in the plan. If we could be more clear

4988
03:38:45,600 --> 03:38:49,920
about that then we can

4989
03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:52,399
» I I would

4990
03:38:49,920 --> 03:38:55,920
mostly I'd like specificity in this

4991
03:38:52,399 --> 03:38:58,160
case. I'd probably like more esoterica

4992
03:38:55,920 --> 03:39:01,359
in that it's going to be out of our

4993
03:38:58,160 --> 03:39:03,200
hands if it's a byount study and calrans

4994
03:39:01,359 --> 03:39:05,840
they're going to determine what it looks

4995
03:39:03,200 --> 03:39:09,120
like. I I'd be more comfortable if it's

4996
03:39:05,840 --> 03:39:11,359
if it just said it would encompass

4997
03:39:09,120 --> 03:39:13,760
theoretically blah blah blah blah blah

4998
03:39:11,359 --> 03:39:19,040
than showing something specific that may

4999
03:39:13,760 --> 03:39:21,760
never even end up exactly like that. If

5000
03:39:19,040 --> 03:39:24,640
we could just kind of tone it down. If I

5001
03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:27,120
may hope u may add a little bit to this.

5002
03:39:24,640 --> 03:39:28,880
So um yeah reiterating what was just

5003
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:30,960
said that it is a concept before you and

5004
03:39:28,880 --> 03:39:33,040
it's not completely designed. I think

5005
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:34,800
the what this document's doing is

5006
03:39:33,040 --> 03:39:37,520
looking at the potential impacts as far

5007
03:39:34,800 --> 03:39:39,680
as the ER itself is concerned to make

5008
03:39:37,520 --> 03:39:42,080
sure that what what is being proposed as

5009
03:39:39,680 --> 03:39:43,680
at a concept level doesn't we capture

5010
03:39:42,080 --> 03:39:47,120
whatever those impacts are as part of

5011
03:39:43,680 --> 03:39:49,359
our review. um when when we move forward

5012
03:39:47,120 --> 03:39:51,920
when this moves forward at some point it

5013
03:39:49,359 --> 03:39:53,600
you're right it might change um a little

5014
03:39:51,920 --> 03:39:55,920
bit uh that's something that's going to

5015
03:39:53,600 --> 03:39:59,120
be up to by county so Santo County and

5016
03:39:55,920 --> 03:40:00,720
San Francisco city and county um but I

5017
03:39:59,120 --> 03:40:02,800
think what we're trying to make sure is

5018
03:40:00,720 --> 03:40:04,399
that we have covered whatever those

5019
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:06,960
potential impacts of that improvement

5020
03:40:04,399 --> 03:40:10,080
would be with with related to this

5021
03:40:06,960 --> 03:40:11,279
specific plan um and that's still going

5022
03:40:10,080 --> 03:40:11,760
to be something that needs to be flushed

5023
03:40:11,279 --> 03:40:13,600
out

5024
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:14,000
» Yeah I don't disagree with what you're

5025
03:40:13,600 --> 03:40:16,080
saying

5026
03:40:14,000 --> 03:40:17,680
» And and Maybe there's some maybe we can

5027
03:40:16,080 --> 03:40:19,040
maybe there's some language tweak in the

5028
03:40:17,680 --> 03:40:19,840
specific plan that make that a little

5029
03:40:19,040 --> 03:40:22,319
bit more clear.

5030
03:40:19,840 --> 03:40:25,359
» Yeah. Thank you.

5031
03:40:22,319 --> 03:40:28,640
Okay, back to questions. Council member

5032
03:40:25,359 --> 03:40:30,560
Kerna, you're first.

5033
03:40:28,640 --> 03:40:33,520
» Thank you. I guess my only remaining

5034
03:40:30,560 --> 03:40:36,239
question is to the applicant. Do you or

5035
03:40:33,520 --> 03:40:39,040
do you not need the Geneva Extension

5036
03:40:36,239 --> 03:40:41,600
Bridge to stop I I'm not This is not an

5037
03:40:39,040 --> 03:40:44,160
inquiry. Sounds like it is. But do you

5038
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:46,800
or do you not need that bridge in order

5039
03:40:44,160 --> 03:40:52,040
to remediate and build infrastructure

5040
03:40:46,800 --> 03:40:52,040
and all of the work that you have to do?

5041
03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:02,640
» Yeah, if I understand the question

5042
03:41:00,640 --> 03:41:05,920
correctly, we do not need the bridge for

5043
03:41:02,640 --> 03:41:09,520
the remediation of either the landfill

5044
03:41:05,920 --> 03:41:11,680
or the um railard site.

5045
03:41:09,520 --> 03:41:14,960
Um, the bridge is a regional

5046
03:41:11,680 --> 03:41:17,760
transportation project as was studied in

5047
03:41:14,960 --> 03:41:21,920
2013 by the Bay County and just to be

5048
03:41:17,760 --> 03:41:25,439
also clear in that study, the Geneva

5049
03:41:21,920 --> 03:41:31,680
bridge is part and parcel with the 101

5050
03:41:25,439 --> 03:41:35,040
exchange. Um, not sure um, and not sure

5051
03:41:31,680 --> 03:41:37,359
if we have our engineer online, but I

5052
03:41:35,040 --> 03:41:41,120
don't think those two pieces have to go

5053
03:41:37,359 --> 03:41:44,720
together. Um, I don't think there's a a

5054
03:41:41,120 --> 03:41:47,040
good way to bring the Geneva over the

5055
03:41:44,720 --> 03:41:49,920
railroad tracks and then down as you

5056
03:41:47,040 --> 03:41:52,720
suggested onto Harney. It's just too

5057
03:41:49,920 --> 03:41:55,279
complicated. So, the whole concept in

5058
03:41:52,720 --> 03:41:58,800
2013 was this regional transportation

5059
03:41:55,279 --> 03:42:02,560
plan. And to be clear, that was a by

5060
03:41:58,800 --> 03:42:05,439
county study. It also studied um it also

5061
03:42:02,560 --> 03:42:07,520
claimed states

5062
03:42:05,439 --> 03:42:09,520
that and the reason the study was done

5063
03:42:07,520 --> 03:42:12,080
was because the Hunter Point shipyard,

5064
03:42:09,520 --> 03:42:14,800
Candlestick, Schlleg,

5065
03:42:12,080 --> 03:42:17,600
Baylands, Brisbane were all coming into

5066
03:42:14,800 --> 03:42:20,960
the pipeline and there was an estimated

5067
03:42:17,600 --> 03:42:23,760
you know the number of travel trips and

5068
03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:25,760
people living there. Um and that there

5069
03:42:23,760 --> 03:42:28,720
would would be no need for any of this

5070
03:42:25,760 --> 03:42:32,399
if none of those projects ever happened.

5071
03:42:28,720 --> 03:42:35,279
Second thing in the study was that um it

5072
03:42:32,399 --> 03:42:37,600
was a fair share program. So for the

5073
03:42:35,279 --> 03:42:40,560
Geneva extension

5074
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:42,880
I believe uh the balance project has

5075
03:42:40,560 --> 03:42:46,239
about a 34%

5076
03:42:42,880 --> 03:42:49,439
share of the Geneva extension. The other

5077
03:42:46,239 --> 03:42:53,040
large shares are San Francisco se San

5078
03:42:49,439 --> 03:42:56,720
Francisco County, Sanonteo County and

5079
03:42:53,040 --> 03:42:58,239
the other large developments.

5080
03:42:56,720 --> 03:43:00,640
So,

5081
03:42:58,239 --> 03:43:00,960
» Okay. I mean, so what I'm hearing you

5082
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:02,880
say is

5083
03:43:00,960 --> 03:43:04,160
» Ask a question again, Council Member

5084
03:43:02,880 --> 03:43:07,044
Kern. Just

5085
03:43:04,160 --> 03:43:07,760
» Do you are [laughter] I'm just kidding.

5086
03:43:07,044 --> 03:43:09,279
[gasps]

5087
03:43:07,760 --> 03:43:11,200
» So, what I what I'm hearing is if the

5088
03:43:09,279 --> 03:43:13,600
bridge is never constructed, it doesn't

5089
03:43:11,200 --> 03:43:14,800
impact you at all. You're going to move

5090
03:43:13,600 --> 03:43:17,439
forward with your infrastructure

5091
03:43:14,800 --> 03:43:18,880
projects, building houses, multi-use,

5092
03:43:17,439 --> 03:43:19,520
commercial. You don't need the bridge to

5093
03:43:18,880 --> 03:43:21,040
do any of that.

5094
03:43:19,520 --> 03:43:23,520
» We do not need the bridge for that. No,

5095
03:43:21,040 --> 03:43:24,239
it is a regional transportation um

5096
03:43:23,520 --> 03:43:25,439
project.

5097
03:43:24,239 --> 03:43:29,199
» Okay. Thank you for that.

5098
03:43:25,439 --> 03:43:30,560
» Mhm. Mayor Prom Davis,

5099
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:31,439
» I don't have any more questions for this

5100
03:43:30,560 --> 03:43:34,439
section.

5101
03:43:31,439 --> 03:43:34,439
» Okay,

5102
03:43:34,720 --> 03:43:39,920
Council Member O'Connell.

5103
03:43:37,279 --> 03:43:42,640
» Mine's going to be Mine's going to be a

5104
03:43:39,920 --> 03:43:48,239
three-prongong and I don't really expect

5105
03:43:42,640 --> 03:43:52,160
an answer um until you can come back.

5106
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:55,600
What is the mitigation requirements

5107
03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:57,920
for the candlestick project? the Schlage

5108
03:43:55,600 --> 03:44:00,640
lock project.

5109
03:43:57,920 --> 03:44:03,199
Um, [clears throat] and how do they

5110
03:44:00,640 --> 03:44:06,239
how do their mitigation

5111
03:44:03,199 --> 03:44:10,640
um measures for those two projects

5112
03:44:06,239 --> 03:44:13,520
affect if Candlestick and the Geneva

5113
03:44:10,640 --> 03:44:15,520
Bridge ever get built?

5114
03:44:13,520 --> 03:44:18,080
And so, are they in violation of their

5115
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:20,800
mitigation measures if it doesn't, just

5116
03:44:18,080 --> 03:44:24,160
like we would be in violation of our

5117
03:44:20,800 --> 03:44:29,279
mitigation measures if it doesn't?

5118
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:32,720
And then this third prong would be when

5119
03:44:29,279 --> 03:44:37,439
I was back um on CCAG

5120
03:44:32,720 --> 03:44:40,160
a decade ago maybe more. Um they had a

5121
03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:43,040
project list for the interchange

5122
03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:45,760
um projects that were under

5123
03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:48,800
consideration or wish lists.

5124
03:44:45,760 --> 03:44:51,680
» And there was two that affected

5125
03:44:48,800 --> 03:44:55,359
Brisbane, three actually. the tunnel,

5126
03:44:51,680 --> 03:44:58,479
the the bridge over 101, the Beayshore

5127
03:44:55,359 --> 03:45:00,319
exit, Cal Palace exit,

5128
03:44:58,479 --> 03:45:03,439
um

5129
03:45:00,319 --> 03:45:05,840
Zero Point interchange,

5130
03:45:03,439 --> 03:45:09,520
and the Candlestick interchange, and

5131
03:45:05,840 --> 03:45:12,800
they were all considered so far down the

5132
03:45:09,520 --> 03:45:17,040
bottom of the project list as far as

5133
03:45:12,800 --> 03:45:21,920
CCAG was saying that they will never get

5134
03:45:17,040 --> 03:45:23,600
built was basically what CCAG had to me

5135
03:45:21,920 --> 03:45:26,560
when I was there

5136
03:45:23,600 --> 03:45:29,840
» That those projects were in the north

5137
03:45:26,560 --> 03:45:31,840
county and they did not have priority

5138
03:45:29,840 --> 03:45:34,640
for

5139
03:45:31,840 --> 03:45:37,040
CCAG as a whole. I don't know if we can

5140
03:45:34,640 --> 03:45:38,800
find out if those projects have moved up

5141
03:45:37,040 --> 03:45:43,359
their list

5142
03:45:38,800 --> 03:45:48,239
and also what mitigation has been asked

5143
03:45:43,359 --> 03:45:50,560
of Schlleglock project or Baylands

5144
03:45:48,239 --> 03:45:52,399
North, whatever you want to call it, and

5145
03:45:50,560 --> 03:45:54,880
the Candlestick project and how that

5146
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:59,560
might affect if those two ever go

5147
03:45:54,880 --> 03:45:59,560
through on our project.

5148
03:46:03,120 --> 03:46:08,000
few questions in there. So, let me move

5149
03:46:05,199 --> 03:46:10,080
try to move slowly here. Um,

5150
03:46:08,000 --> 03:46:11,760
» I said I didn't need a response tonight

5151
03:46:10,080 --> 03:46:13,920
because I think it might need a little

5152
03:46:11,760 --> 03:46:19,359
but I mean if you can

5153
03:46:13,920 --> 03:46:21,680
» Um I I can speak to briefly

5154
03:46:19,359 --> 03:46:24,880
cags processes for example when they do

5155
03:46:21,680 --> 03:46:26,640
prioritization um ties approved projects

5156
03:46:24,880 --> 03:46:28,800
you know is is would be one of the

5157
03:46:26,640 --> 03:46:32,479
things that they need for something that

5158
03:46:28,800 --> 03:46:34,960
is a developmentdriven project. And so

5159
03:46:32,479 --> 03:46:36,560
it's yeah, this these interchanges are

5160
03:46:34,960 --> 03:46:40,000
not going to get prioritized until you

5161
03:46:36,560 --> 03:46:40,720
have approved projects that require it.

5162
03:46:40,000 --> 03:46:43,680
Um

5163
03:46:40,720 --> 03:46:46,239
» So until San Francisco pushes

5164
03:46:43,680 --> 03:46:48,080
» Or or or Brisbane or until the bay lands

5165
03:46:46,239 --> 03:46:50,319
are approved

5166
03:46:48,080 --> 03:46:52,160
because the bay lands is what is why one

5167
03:46:50,319 --> 03:46:54,720
of the reasons you know it's all the

5168
03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:55,520
projects within this the the by county

5169
03:46:54,720 --> 03:46:56,880
agreement, right?

5170
03:46:55,520 --> 03:46:58,960
» Okay.

5171
03:46:56,880 --> 03:47:02,239
Um

5172
03:46:58,960 --> 03:47:04,720
and the

5173
03:47:02,239 --> 03:47:06,640
yeah I mean the candlestick EIR

5174
03:47:04,720 --> 03:47:09,920
identifies as a mitigation measure and

5175
03:47:06,640 --> 03:47:12,560
so yes the city of San Francisco is

5176
03:47:09,920 --> 03:47:14,319
responsible for ensuring that the

5177
03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:16,960
Kennlestick development falls through on

5178
03:47:14,319 --> 03:47:20,199
their obligations to contribute to to

5179
03:47:16,960 --> 03:47:20,199
that project

5180
03:47:22,560 --> 03:47:26,000
and Sim Schlleglock has a role too as

5181
03:47:24,720 --> 03:47:29,199
well. they have a fair share

5182
03:47:26,000 --> 03:47:30,720
responsibility as well.

5183
03:47:29,199 --> 03:47:33,760
» Okay.

5184
03:47:30,720 --> 03:47:35,840
I' I'd prefer a a little more indepth

5185
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:37,520
when we can get it, but thank you.

5186
03:47:35,840 --> 03:47:39,120
» Of course,

5187
03:47:37,520 --> 03:47:42,880
» Council Member Lent.

5188
03:47:39,120 --> 03:47:45,439
» Yes. Um Stephanie.

5189
03:47:42,880 --> 03:47:47,600
So, um

5190
03:47:45,439 --> 03:47:50,080
I'm trying to remember. I thought that

5191
03:47:47,600 --> 03:47:53,439
there were some renderings of that

5192
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:56,800
exchange and that the Geneva Avenue

5193
03:47:53,439 --> 03:47:59,359
extension just stayed on pillars, right?

5194
03:47:56,800 --> 03:48:02,319
It was just a podium that that that then

5195
03:47:59,359 --> 03:48:02,800
just continued east.

5196
03:48:02,319 --> 03:48:03,680
» So

5197
03:48:02,800 --> 03:48:06,880
» To where

5198
03:48:03,680 --> 03:48:09,040
» To over, you know, to the exchange.

5199
03:48:06,880 --> 03:48:11,279
» Yeah. Connecting to the to the 101

5200
03:48:09,040 --> 03:48:14,080
exchange. Yeah. That's the grand plan.

5201
03:48:11,279 --> 03:48:16,080
» Yeah. And over to Executive Park like

5202
03:48:14,080 --> 03:48:18,560
find those renderings. I think it would

5203
03:48:16,080 --> 03:48:20,080
be helpful if if you could.

5204
03:48:18,560 --> 03:48:21,760
» Um I know you're saying that they don't

5205
03:48:20,080 --> 03:48:23,279
exist, but I thought I could have swore

5206
03:48:21,760 --> 03:48:25,600
there was some renderings.

5207
03:48:23,279 --> 03:48:28,640
» Council member Lent, you are correct. I

5208
03:48:25,600 --> 03:48:32,080
think in some of our workshopping over

5209
03:48:28,640 --> 03:48:34,880
the years, we BKF, our engineers,

5210
03:48:32,080 --> 03:48:37,120
presented some kind of conceptual

5211
03:48:34,880 --> 03:48:38,239
sketches and there were a couple of

5212
03:48:37,120 --> 03:48:38,800
different options.

5213
03:48:38,239 --> 03:48:42,160
» Okay.

5214
03:48:38,800 --> 03:48:45,359
» Yeah. And yeah, I think we can I can

5215
03:48:42,160 --> 03:48:47,760
excavate those for you, but they were

5216
03:48:45,359 --> 03:48:49,199
they were conceptual.

5217
03:48:47,760 --> 03:48:50,800
» I know. I totally get it. I mean, it

5218
03:48:49,199 --> 03:48:52,479
just kind of gives us an understanding

5219
03:48:50,800 --> 03:48:54,080
of like, okay, what how it would work,

5220
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:57,120
» What the scope would be.

5221
03:48:54,080 --> 03:48:58,000
» Yeah. Yes, I can I can find those.

5222
03:48:57,120 --> 03:48:58,800
» Um

5223
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:01,120
» Okay.

5224
03:48:58,800 --> 03:49:03,680
» But but I think it, you know, I think

5225
03:49:01,120 --> 03:49:05,760
it's they're not in our specific plan

5226
03:49:03,680 --> 03:49:08,399
because as Katie said, it's not part of

5227
03:49:05,760 --> 03:49:10,160
our specific plan. the the Geneva

5228
03:49:08,399 --> 03:49:12,479
extension, the bridge obviously is in

5229
03:49:10,160 --> 03:49:14,160
the middle of our project. So So we have

5230
03:49:12,479 --> 03:49:18,160
to talk about it and we have to describe

5231
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:21,840
it and as um Council Member Connell

5232
03:49:18,160 --> 03:49:24,160
says, it's it's it is conceptual in our

5233
03:49:21,840 --> 03:49:26,080
in our design. It's not a hard and fast

5234
03:49:24,160 --> 03:49:28,319
design, but it was, you know, a

5235
03:49:26,080 --> 03:49:31,533
collaborative effort over many years

5236
03:49:28,319 --> 03:49:32,160
with our transportation people and the

5237
03:49:31,533 --> 03:49:35,760
[sighs]

5238
03:49:32,160 --> 03:49:37,439
various agencies and to put those that

5239
03:49:35,760 --> 03:49:39,279
what you're seeing in the specific plan

5240
03:49:37,439 --> 03:49:41,920
in there. But it is conceptual.

5241
03:49:39,279 --> 03:49:44,000
» Yeah. And it hinges on a lot which is

5242
03:49:41,920 --> 03:49:45,920
you know all these other developments

5243
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:50,880
happening

5244
03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:52,720
and to create the need for it and and

5245
03:49:50,880 --> 03:49:56,960
just to remind that it's a fair share

5246
03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:59,199
project meaning the county both counties

5247
03:49:56,960 --> 03:50:01,760
and all the cities and all the

5248
03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:04,479
developers have a fair share both in the

5249
03:50:01,760 --> 03:50:06,239
Geneva bridge extension and in the 101

5250
03:50:04,479 --> 03:50:08,880
and in fact in all seven of the priority

5251
03:50:06,239 --> 03:50:11,920
projects that are discussed in the 2013

5252
03:50:08,880 --> 03:50:15,840
13 by county and I think we've all kind

5253
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:18,160
of agreed um that that plan does need

5254
03:50:15,840 --> 03:50:21,520
updating.

5255
03:50:18,160 --> 03:50:23,439
» Yeah. You know, again, not having the

5256
03:50:21,520 --> 03:50:24,720
Geneva Avenue extension going all the

5257
03:50:23,439 --> 03:50:25,359
way to the 101.

5258
03:50:24,720 --> 03:50:28,319
» Yes.

5259
03:50:25,359 --> 03:50:31,600
» Basically, any development that occurs

5260
03:50:28,319 --> 03:50:33,439
in the Baylands, when people go south,

5261
03:50:31,600 --> 03:50:35,120
they're going to travel along Beayshore

5262
03:50:33,439 --> 03:50:38,479
and go through Brisbane, right? So

5263
03:50:35,120 --> 03:50:40,960
that's going to be a major impact to uh

5264
03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:42,479
our city. So

5265
03:50:40,960 --> 03:50:44,720
» Having the extension go all the way

5266
03:50:42,479 --> 03:50:46,720
across to the 101

5267
03:50:44,720 --> 03:50:49,120
» Alleviates that. And so

5268
03:50:46,720 --> 03:50:51,279
» It's a great proposal and it's a great

5269
03:50:49,120 --> 03:50:52,479
project. Nobody's Yeah. Nobody's

5270
03:50:51,279 --> 03:50:53,199
debating that.

5271
03:50:52,479 --> 03:50:56,960
» Yes.

5272
03:50:53,199 --> 03:51:01,439
» I think we're just debating timing and

5273
03:50:56,960 --> 03:51:03,680
and and need and and fair share.

5274
03:51:01,439 --> 03:51:06,319
I don't think it's so much a debate, but

5275
03:51:03,680 --> 03:51:07,279
really more we need to have the talk,

5276
03:51:06,319 --> 03:51:10,319
right? We need to have those

5277
03:51:07,279 --> 03:51:10,880
conversations and and work together.

5278
03:51:10,319 --> 03:51:11,520
» Yes.

5279
03:51:10,880 --> 03:51:12,160
» Okay. That's

5280
03:51:11,520 --> 03:51:13,760
» Okay.

5281
03:51:12,160 --> 03:51:16,319
» Okay.

5282
03:51:13,760 --> 03:51:18,720
» You do realize archaeology is part of

5283
03:51:16,319 --> 03:51:20,640
SQA. So, you're finding old renderings

5284
03:51:18,720 --> 03:51:21,199
is part of your job you never thought

5285
03:51:20,640 --> 03:51:23,540
about. It's

5286
03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:24,720
» Probably a mitigation.

5287
03:51:23,540 --> 03:51:26,319
[laughter]

5288
03:51:24,720 --> 03:51:29,120
» All right. [snorts]

5289
03:51:26,319 --> 03:51:31,199
Back on the question round. Council

5290
03:51:29,120 --> 03:51:32,479
member O'Connell,

5291
03:51:31,199 --> 03:51:34,640
» I'm done for tonight.

5292
03:51:32,479 --> 03:51:36,880
» Okay.

5293
03:51:34,640 --> 03:51:39,199
Council member Kern,

5294
03:51:36,880 --> 03:51:40,880
» No further questions.

5295
03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:43,279
» Council member Lent.

5296
03:51:40,880 --> 03:51:47,680
» I am done on this particular item.

5297
03:51:43,279 --> 03:51:50,479
» Okay. So, am I So, we have public

5298
03:51:47,680 --> 03:51:52,800
question comments. First one I have

5299
03:51:50,479 --> 03:51:55,800
here, Roland

5300
03:51:52,800 --> 03:51:55,800
online.

5301
03:51:56,560 --> 03:52:00,800
Thank you uh madame mayor and council

5302
03:51:58,640 --> 03:52:04,560
and I'm glad you left me to the last

5303
03:52:00,800 --> 03:52:07,600
item. So what I'd like to do is to speak

5304
03:52:04,560 --> 03:52:10,319
uh to the current proposal um to connect

5305
03:52:07,600 --> 03:52:14,800
the bay calrain station to Geneva Avenue

5306
03:52:10,319 --> 03:52:17,040
via a shuttle. is suggest an alternative

5307
03:52:14,800 --> 03:52:20,319
that provides a direct connection

5308
03:52:17,040 --> 03:52:22,399
between Cal Train and Geneva Avenue by

5309
03:52:20,319 --> 03:52:27,199
doubling the length of the Cal Train

5310
03:52:22,399 --> 03:52:31,120
platforms to 1,400 ft and shifting the

5311
03:52:27,199 --> 03:52:34,399
entire station 7 ft so south to

5312
03:52:31,120 --> 03:52:37,040
intersect with the Geneva Avenue

5313
03:52:34,399 --> 03:52:39,760
extension overpass.

5314
03:52:37,040 --> 03:52:42,239
With regards to elevations, the Cal

5315
03:52:39,760 --> 03:52:45,439
Train tracks remain at the current

5316
03:52:42,239 --> 03:52:48,720
grade, but both sides of the tracks rise

5317
03:52:45,439 --> 03:52:50,800
to the same level as the overpass, which

5318
03:52:48,720 --> 03:52:52,800
ends up being level with the bailance

5319
03:52:50,800 --> 03:52:55,439
development.

5320
03:52:52,800 --> 03:52:58,399
This change in elevation

5321
03:52:55,439 --> 03:53:01,120
introduces an opportunity to eliminate

5322
03:52:58,399 --> 03:53:03,279
the current Cal Train Berlin Mall that

5323
03:53:01,120 --> 03:53:06,560
cuts the bay lines in east and west

5324
03:53:03,279 --> 03:53:09,840
halves by opening up multiple

5325
03:53:06,560 --> 03:53:13,199
opportunities to build open space or

5326
03:53:09,840 --> 03:53:14,479
even buildings above the tracks. And

5327
03:53:13,199 --> 03:53:16,160
then I don't know if you have the slides

5328
03:53:14,479 --> 03:53:17,760
but the last slide is actually a

5329
03:53:16,160 --> 03:53:21,439
15year-old

5330
03:53:17,760 --> 03:53:24,080
uh Jonathan Shar sharpen slide um

5331
03:53:21,439 --> 03:53:28,479
showing Geneva Avenue above the the

5332
03:53:24,080 --> 03:53:30,399
Cathine um tracks and platforms but that

5333
03:53:28,479 --> 03:53:32,800
slide is missing escalators or

5334
03:53:30,399 --> 03:53:36,080
inclinators connecting both sides of

5335
03:53:32,800 --> 03:53:37,920
Geneva Avenue to the Catra platforms.

5336
03:53:36,080 --> 03:53:41,359
In closing,

5337
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:44,720
the reconfigured station was designed to

5338
03:53:41,359 --> 03:53:46,880
provide regional resilience if rail

5339
03:53:44,720 --> 03:53:50,560
traffic in the San Francisco tunnels is

5340
03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:53,199
interrupted. And it does so by providing

5341
03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:55,680
massive capacity for transfers to and

5342
03:53:53,199 --> 03:53:59,279
from MUN

5343
03:53:55,680 --> 03:54:01,279
and even trans buses and light rail for

5344
03:53:59,279 --> 03:54:04,560
people to get on or off their final

5345
03:54:01,279 --> 03:54:06,319
destinations. And last but not least, I

5346
03:54:04,560 --> 03:54:09,600
would like to circle back to the comment

5347
03:54:06,319 --> 03:54:12,720
I made last week about accelerating the

5348
03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:15,359
delivery of the overpass section of the

5349
03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:19,520
Geneva Avenue extension and use this

5350
03:54:15,359 --> 03:54:23,920
overpass to eliminate 80 to 90% of truck

5351
03:54:19,520 --> 03:54:26,399
miles um travel up and down uh Ton

5352
03:54:23,920 --> 03:54:28,880
Avenue as currently proposed. Please

5353
03:54:26,399 --> 03:54:32,319
consider the construction of the

5354
03:54:28,880 --> 03:54:35,920
overpass section only as a potential

5355
03:54:32,319 --> 03:54:38,479
mitigation measure. Thank you.

5356
03:54:35,920 --> 03:54:42,199
» All right. Thank you. Next, Michelle

5357
03:54:38,479 --> 03:54:42,199
Sammon, you're online.

5358
03:54:43,972 --> 03:54:47,120
[clears throat]

5359
03:54:44,960 --> 03:54:49,439
» I kind of agree with what Roland just

5360
03:54:47,120 --> 03:54:54,000
said because I'm looking at the map

5361
03:54:49,439 --> 03:54:57,120
right now and the rail tracks biseect

5362
03:54:54,000 --> 03:55:00,080
this project. east and west. And right

5363
03:54:57,120 --> 03:55:02,720
now there's no overcross across those

5364
03:55:00,080 --> 03:55:06,880
railroad tracks except for the tunnel

5365
03:55:02,720 --> 03:55:09,600
avenue bridge. And this would the

5366
03:55:06,880 --> 03:55:11,040
without building the overpass

5367
03:55:09,600 --> 03:55:12,479
doesn't need to connect to the freeway,

5368
03:55:11,040 --> 03:55:15,680
but without building some kind of

5369
03:55:12,479 --> 03:55:16,800
overpass over the train tracks, this is

5370
03:55:15,680 --> 03:55:19,199
really kind of two separate

5371
03:55:16,800 --> 03:55:22,000
developments. It's it's not like

5372
03:55:19,199 --> 03:55:23,600
cohesive at all. And I don't see how

5373
03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:26,080
they're going to do that. So, I I didn't

5374
03:55:23,600 --> 03:55:27,920
really agree with where I'm sorry,

5375
03:55:26,080 --> 03:55:30,720
Stephanie, but I I don't understand how

5376
03:55:27,920 --> 03:55:32,880
you could not have to have an overpass

5377
03:55:30,720 --> 03:55:36,319
to make this project work over the

5378
03:55:32,880 --> 03:55:38,640
railroad tracks because then that does

5379
03:55:36,319 --> 03:55:42,239
that mean people who worked on the east

5380
03:55:38,640 --> 03:55:43,840
side could only access it from uh 101

5381
03:55:42,239 --> 03:55:47,439
and people on the west side could only

5382
03:55:43,840 --> 03:55:49,520
access access it from Old Bay Shore. I

5383
03:55:47,439 --> 03:55:52,720
mean, it just doesn't work without an

5384
03:55:49,520 --> 03:55:55,040
overpass. So, something needs to be

5385
03:55:52,720 --> 03:55:57,920
figured out there. And indeed, an

5386
03:55:55,040 --> 03:56:00,160
overpass would definitely cut down on a

5387
03:55:57,920 --> 03:56:01,920
lot of truck traffic.

5388
03:56:00,160 --> 03:56:05,680
Thank you.

5389
03:56:01,920 --> 03:56:13,199
Okay, Linda Salmon. Uh, do we have Linda

5390
03:56:05,680 --> 03:56:15,279
online? No. Okay, then we move on to

5391
03:56:13,199 --> 03:56:17,199
That's it. Actually, there's two cards

5392
03:56:15,279 --> 03:56:19,279
for Linda.

5393
03:56:17,199 --> 03:56:22,800
All right,

5394
03:56:19,279 --> 03:56:25,840
we've exhausted Geneva Avenue Extension.

5395
03:56:22,800 --> 03:56:28,640
We'll now move on to Beayshore Mobility

5396
03:56:25,840 --> 03:56:30,479
Plan. Questions starting with Council

5397
03:56:28,640 --> 03:56:34,880
Member O'Connell.

5398
03:56:30,479 --> 03:56:36,960
» It's 9:26 and I don't feel obligated or

5399
03:56:34,880 --> 03:56:38,399
obliged to extend the meeting any

5400
03:56:36,960 --> 03:56:40,560
longer.

5401
03:56:38,399 --> 03:56:44,319
» I I agree with that, too. We're at a

5402
03:56:40,560 --> 03:56:47,600
break, so I think uh and we said 9:30.

5403
03:56:44,319 --> 03:56:49,279
I think we should ex um have that item

5404
03:56:47,600 --> 03:56:51,120
be moved to the next meeting.

5405
03:56:49,279 --> 03:56:53,040
» Okay. So, Council Member Kern, your

5406
03:56:51,120 --> 03:56:54,399
opinion,

5407
03:56:53,040 --> 03:56:56,479
» You know, I just want to plow through

5408
03:56:54,399 --> 03:56:59,040
the agenda and keep going. However, this

5409
03:56:56,479 --> 03:57:00,640
is a logical time to break at this point

5410
03:56:59,040 --> 03:57:02,080
if we're going to do that.

5411
03:57:00,640 --> 03:57:05,040
» And Mayor Prom,

5412
03:57:02,080 --> 03:57:06,640
» I'm just curious for next meeting, how

5413
03:57:05,040 --> 03:57:08,080
many questions, give or take, does

5414
03:57:06,640 --> 03:57:09,279
everyone have? I actually only have a

5415
03:57:08,080 --> 03:57:12,080
statement about this. I don't really

5416
03:57:09,279 --> 03:57:14,880
have a question. Um, do you all have a

5417
03:57:12,080 --> 03:57:17,680
lot of questions about this item? No,

5418
03:57:14,880 --> 03:57:20,160
but I have a couple, especially as it

5419
03:57:17,680 --> 03:57:21,279
relates to the last item that we

5420
03:57:20,160 --> 03:57:23,439
discussed.

5421
03:57:21,279 --> 03:57:25,600
» I don't have questions, but if this is a

5422
03:57:23,439 --> 03:57:27,840
public hearing, we have lost our public.

5423
03:57:25,600 --> 03:57:31,040
» Yeah. No, I it's just for the next time.

5424
03:57:27,840 --> 03:57:33,920
I'm just trying to gauge how how robust

5425
03:57:31,040 --> 03:57:34,560
this conversation will be at the next

5426
03:57:33,920 --> 03:57:37,120
meeting. So,

5427
03:57:34,560 --> 03:57:39,199
» We have three slips from the public.

5428
03:57:37,120 --> 03:57:42,080
Someone who stayed, Charles Spencer, has

5429
03:57:39,199 --> 03:57:44,080
stayed for this. We also have David

5430
03:57:42,080 --> 03:57:46,239
Brown. David, are you here? Yeah, there

5431
03:57:44,080 --> 03:57:46,720
we go. David public comments then

5432
03:57:46,239 --> 03:57:49,199
» First,

5433
03:57:46,720 --> 03:57:49,680
» Please. Sure. Let's do the public

5434
03:57:49,199 --> 03:57:52,880
comments.

5435
03:57:49,680 --> 03:57:55,439
» All right, David, let's start with you.

5436
03:57:52,880 --> 03:57:57,520
» I'll make a motion to extend the meeting

5437
03:57:55,439 --> 03:57:58,399
10 minutes.

5438
03:57:57,520 --> 03:58:00,160
» Second.

5439
03:57:58,399 --> 03:58:02,640
» All in favor? I.

5440
03:58:00,160 --> 03:58:05,640
» Anyone opposed? No. Okay, David, you're

5441
03:58:02,640 --> 03:58:05,640
on.

5442
03:58:09,439 --> 03:58:15,760
Well, good evening, Madame Mayor and

5443
03:58:12,479 --> 03:58:18,960
council members.

5444
03:58:15,760 --> 03:58:22,160
Thank you for squeezing me in. Uh, I've

5445
03:58:18,960 --> 03:58:24,239
been a Brisbane resident for over 34

5446
03:58:22,160 --> 03:58:27,520
years

5447
03:58:24,239 --> 03:58:30,080
and, uh, I'm very encouraged to attend

5448
03:58:27,520 --> 03:58:31,840
last week's as well as this week's

5449
03:58:30,080 --> 03:58:36,239
meeting on the bay lands. I feel a lot

5450
03:58:31,840 --> 03:58:39,279
of gratitude for the uh intelligence um

5451
03:58:36,239 --> 03:58:42,399
hard work and skill involved in so many

5452
03:58:39,279 --> 03:58:45,279
people um are working hard to create a

5453
03:58:42,399 --> 03:58:48,720
worldclass development with minimal

5454
03:58:45,279 --> 03:58:52,000
environmental impact in the bay lands.

5455
03:58:48,720 --> 03:58:55,040
And I want to also uh make kudos to the

5456
03:58:52,000 --> 03:58:56,640
development team for the video. As a

5457
03:58:55,040 --> 03:58:59,040
documentary filmmaker, I really

5458
03:58:56,640 --> 03:59:01,040
appreciate what's involved with a

5459
03:58:59,040 --> 03:59:05,040
production like that.

5460
03:59:01,040 --> 03:59:08,319
Um, but as you well know along with many

5461
03:59:05,040 --> 03:59:10,399
of my colleagues that we have concerns

5462
03:59:08,319 --> 03:59:12,560
and uh I'd like to start with one

5463
03:59:10,399 --> 03:59:14,319
sentence from Brisbane's own

5464
03:59:12,560 --> 03:59:16,479
environmental impact statement on the

5465
03:59:14,319 --> 03:59:20,840
bays

5466
03:59:16,479 --> 03:59:20,840
at peak grading of the bays

5467
03:59:21,120 --> 03:59:27,199
site. uh the number of hall trucks would

5468
03:59:23,680 --> 03:59:30,080
quote almost wholly occupy the inbound

5469
03:59:27,199 --> 03:59:33,760
Tunnel Avenue bridge substantially

5470
03:59:30,080 --> 03:59:36,880
reducing emergency vehicle access.

5471
03:59:33,760 --> 03:59:38,560
This is cause for serious concern for

5472
03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:40,399
me.

5473
03:59:38,560 --> 03:59:44,080
This environmental impact report is

5474
03:59:40,399 --> 03:59:48,560
analyzing 640 roundtrip truck hauls a

5475
03:59:44,080 --> 03:59:51,199
day, including 160 during a peak hour,

5476
03:59:48,560 --> 03:59:53,439
nearly three a minute for approximately

5477
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:55,040
34 months.

5478
03:59:53,439 --> 03:59:58,319
Just think about what that means on

5479
03:59:55,040 --> 04:00:00,880
Tunnel Avenue on the tunnel bridge.

5480
03:59:58,319 --> 04:00:03,840
These aren't wide. They're not wide

5481
04:00:00,880 --> 04:00:06,080
roads with large shoulders where trucks

5482
04:00:03,840 --> 04:00:07,680
can simply pull over when they hear a

5483
04:00:06,080 --> 04:00:10,640
siren.

5484
04:00:07,680 --> 04:00:13,120
Tunnel Avenue is also our evacuation

5485
04:00:10,640 --> 04:00:16,000
route. Provides access to existing

5486
04:00:13,120 --> 04:00:19,359
businesses along Tunnel and going south

5487
04:00:16,000 --> 04:00:22,319
towards Sierra Point. So, what h happens

5488
04:00:19,359 --> 04:00:24,000
when there's a fire?

5489
04:00:22,319 --> 04:00:25,680
What happens when someone needs an

5490
04:00:24,000 --> 04:00:27,680
ambulance?

5491
04:00:25,680 --> 04:00:30,239
What happens if Brisbane needs to

5492
04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:33,760
evacuate?

5493
04:00:30,239 --> 04:00:35,840
Now, at the queueing of the trucks

5494
04:00:33,760 --> 04:00:38,640
without electric trucks, and I've done

5495
04:00:35,840 --> 04:00:41,439
some research, electric trucks are

5496
04:00:38,640 --> 04:00:45,680
coming down the pike, but there's not a

5497
04:00:41,439 --> 04:00:47,199
lot of them yet. Um, and without

5498
04:00:45,680 --> 04:00:51,120
electric trucks, there'll be serious

5499
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:53,359
diesel engine noise and exhaust

5500
04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:55,439
along with dust and increased traffic

5501
04:00:53,359 --> 04:00:58,160
noise.

5502
04:00:55,439 --> 04:01:01,840
The proposal is uh nearly three truck

5503
04:00:58,160 --> 04:01:04,880
calls a minute during peak calls. So I

5504
04:01:01,840 --> 04:01:06,239
would just request um the staff do a

5505
04:01:04,880 --> 04:01:09,040
little bit more research on the

5506
04:01:06,239 --> 04:01:11,040
likelihood of uh hundreds of electric

5507
04:01:09,040 --> 04:01:14,040
trucks being available when they're

5508
04:01:11,040 --> 04:01:14,040
needed.

5509
04:01:14,080 --> 04:01:19,120
And 34 months is only an estimate.

5510
04:01:16,880 --> 04:01:21,520
Construction schedules, as you folks

5511
04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:23,040
know well, have a way of becoming

5512
04:01:21,520 --> 04:01:25,199
longer.

5513
04:01:23,040 --> 04:01:27,199
I submit that no community should be

5514
04:01:25,199 --> 04:01:29,120
asked to endure years of this level of

5515
04:01:27,199 --> 04:01:32,080
truck traffic,

5516
04:01:29,120 --> 04:01:34,880
noise, dust, and interference with

5517
04:01:32,080 --> 04:01:38,080
emergency access so simply to

5518
04:01:34,880 --> 04:01:39,840
accommodate a development project.

5519
04:01:38,080 --> 04:01:42,080
Development has to accommodate the

5520
04:01:39,840 --> 04:01:43,840
safety of the community.

5521
04:01:42,080 --> 04:01:46,880
No developer has the right to put

5522
04:01:43,840 --> 04:01:48,960
people's lives in jeopardy.

5523
04:01:46,880 --> 04:01:51,279
So, I submit before this plan is

5524
04:01:48,960 --> 04:01:54,880
approved, the city should require the

5525
04:01:51,279 --> 04:01:58,960
developer to provide a hauling route or

5526
04:01:54,880 --> 04:02:01,760
a a viable uh conveyor plan that

5527
04:01:58,960 --> 04:02:03,439
minimizes our daily environment.

5528
04:02:01,760 --> 04:02:06,160
I'm sorry, maintains our daily

5529
04:02:03,439 --> 04:02:09,040
environment and preserves emergency

5530
04:02:06,160 --> 04:02:13,080
access at all times. Thank you.

5531
04:02:09,040 --> 04:02:13,080
» Thank you, Charles Spencer.

5532
04:02:19,520 --> 04:02:22,560
I would like to thank the council for

5533
04:02:21,040 --> 04:02:24,000
hosting this meeting. Uh my name is

5534
04:02:22,560 --> 04:02:26,319
Charles Spencer and I'm a Brisbane

5535
04:02:24,000 --> 04:02:28,000
resident. I have two questions. Not sure

5536
04:02:26,319 --> 04:02:30,560
the best place to ask these questions,

5537
04:02:28,000 --> 04:02:33,120
but the first the combined development

5538
04:02:30,560 --> 04:02:35,760
of the bailands visitation valley

5539
04:02:33,120 --> 04:02:38,560
candlestick park uh with or without the

5540
04:02:35,760 --> 04:02:41,520
road diet has the potential to strangle

5541
04:02:38,560 --> 04:02:45,120
Bisbraane central Bisbane retail and its

5542
04:02:41,520 --> 04:02:48,640
um its soft capital infrastructure. What

5543
04:02:45,120 --> 04:02:50,800
economic analysis have you done to uh

5544
04:02:48,640 --> 04:02:54,160
demonstrate the impact on Brisbane with

5545
04:02:50,800 --> 04:02:57,120
all this development? Second question,

5546
04:02:54,160 --> 04:02:58,640
um what are the plans for pedestrian and

5547
04:02:57,120 --> 04:03:01,600
sidewalk

5548
04:02:58,640 --> 04:03:05,040
uh safety from uh throughout the length

5549
04:03:01,600 --> 04:03:07,600
of beayhore uh as it uh parallels uh

5550
04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:10,800
Brisbane? Thank you.

5551
04:03:07,600 --> 04:03:13,439
» Okay, thank you. U Michelle Sammon, last

5552
04:03:10,800 --> 04:03:16,319
one

5553
04:03:13,439 --> 04:03:17,840
online.

5554
04:03:16,319 --> 04:03:21,520
There we go. Sorry, I had to wait to be

5555
04:03:17,840 --> 04:03:24,319
unmuted. I am very much against the uh

5556
04:03:21,520 --> 04:03:27,279
beayshore mobility p plan. Taking it

5557
04:03:24,319 --> 04:03:30,000
down to one lane in each direction would

5558
04:03:27,279 --> 04:03:33,840
truly put the city of Brisbane at high

5559
04:03:30,000 --> 04:03:36,160
risk. Um, and it would be a traffic jam

5560
04:03:33,840 --> 04:03:37,920
all the time with the amount of trucks

5561
04:03:36,160 --> 04:03:39,600
going in and out of Amazon, the amount

5562
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:41,840
of trucks going in and out of Crocker

5563
04:03:39,600 --> 04:03:45,760
Industrial Park, the traffic coming off

5564
04:03:41,840 --> 04:03:49,439
of Guadalupe Canyon Parkway, and the uh

5565
04:03:45,760 --> 04:03:51,840
future traffic uh from the Baylands and

5566
04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:53,199
the Gene even the Geneva extension. I

5567
04:03:51,840 --> 04:03:56,960
still think there will be a tremendous

5568
04:03:53,199 --> 04:03:59,359
amount of traffic on Old Beayshore

5569
04:03:56,960 --> 04:04:02,720
because if you're at the intersection of

5570
04:03:59,359 --> 04:04:05,439
Geneva and um Beayshore and you want to

5571
04:04:02,720 --> 04:04:07,359
go south on 101,

5572
04:04:05,439 --> 04:04:10,399
the Geneva Extension actually wants you

5573
04:04:07,359 --> 04:04:13,439
to go east by northeast before you can

5574
04:04:10,399 --> 04:04:15,439
go south. Whereas the inclination is to

5575
04:04:13,439 --> 04:04:18,319
just go south because Old Beashore goes

5576
04:04:15,439 --> 04:04:22,560
south, southeast, south to where you

5577
04:04:18,319 --> 04:04:24,319
want to be. Um, and without the Geneva

5578
04:04:22,560 --> 04:04:26,960
extension,

5579
04:04:24,319 --> 04:04:29,040
I it's just not going to work. But also

5580
04:04:26,960 --> 04:04:31,359
with the Geneva extension, it's not

5581
04:04:29,040 --> 04:04:32,800
going to make Bayhore any less traffic.

5582
04:04:31,359 --> 04:04:35,359
There's going to be more traffic than

5583
04:04:32,800 --> 04:04:37,279
ever because of population growth,

5584
04:04:35,359 --> 04:04:39,040
access, truck traffic. Oh, and God

5585
04:04:37,279 --> 04:04:41,840
forbid we should approve the Corey

5586
04:04:39,040 --> 04:04:44,239
project, which will add even more trucks

5587
04:04:41,840 --> 04:04:46,399
coming in and out that need to use

5588
04:04:44,239 --> 04:04:52,239
Beayshore to access Crocker Industrial

5589
04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:55,359
Park. So I I I understand the oh la

5590
04:04:52,239 --> 04:05:00,399
wonderful part of the uh beayore

5591
04:04:55,359 --> 04:05:02,399
mobility plan and the um you know having

5592
04:05:00,399 --> 04:05:04,399
all these different you know taking it

5593
04:05:02,399 --> 04:05:06,080
down to two lanes to slow it down. It

5594
04:05:04,399 --> 04:05:09,359
won't slow it down. It will bring it to

5595
04:05:06,080 --> 04:05:12,800
a standstill. So please take that off

5596
04:05:09,359 --> 04:05:15,600
the table. And um yeah, I'd love to have

5597
04:05:12,800 --> 04:05:19,279
safe pedestrian and bike path next to

5598
04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:21,359
Old Bay Shore, but um I also don't want

5599
04:05:19,279 --> 04:05:23,439
a row of cars just stopped there all the

5600
04:05:21,359 --> 04:05:25,120
time. And environmentally, because

5601
04:05:23,439 --> 04:05:26,800
they're going so slow and stalled out in

5602
04:05:25,120 --> 04:05:29,120
traffic, it is definitely going to

5603
04:05:26,800 --> 04:05:32,430
increase our greenhouse gas emissions

5604
04:05:29,120 --> 04:05:34,399
having uh the beayshore lack

5605
04:05:32,430 --> 04:05:36,640
[clears throat] of mobility plan. Thank

5606
04:05:34,399 --> 04:05:38,160
you so much and sorry for staying so

5607
04:05:36,640 --> 04:05:40,399
late.

5608
04:05:38,160 --> 04:05:43,520
» Okay, thank you Michelle. So, we are

5609
04:05:40,399 --> 04:05:46,880
tableabling council questions

5610
04:05:43,520 --> 04:05:49,279
until the next meeting

5611
04:05:46,880 --> 04:05:51,040
and

5612
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this meeting is

5613
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» I just have one question. Um,

5614
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» One second.

5615
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» You have to continue the public hearing.

5616
04:05:57,920 --> 04:06:00,640
» You need a motion.

5617
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» I'll make a motion to continue the

5618
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meeting to o

5619
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» October 15th.

5620
04:06:03,680 --> 04:06:05,520
» O, I'm sorry.

5621
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» October 15th.

5622
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» October 15th at 5:30 p.m.

5623
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» Okay. And then I just

5624
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» Second.

5625
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» Oh, just so

5626
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» All in. Okay.

5627
04:06:12,160 --> 04:06:13,760
» All in favor?

5628
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» I

5629
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» I

5630
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» So I just want to um just to you know to

5631
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see if there's any objection. You know

5632
04:06:20,880 --> 04:06:25,199
last uh I think maybe the last hearing

5633
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we talked about having a peer review for

5634
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the on-site injury study and just you

5635
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know just giving council I mean staff

5636
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direction to move forward with that. So

5637
04:06:32,560 --> 04:06:38,399
I just if there's if there isn't any

5638
04:06:35,359 --> 04:06:40,080
objections to to move forward with that.

5639
04:06:38,399 --> 04:06:44,560
» Council member Okonnell,

5640
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» I think that the study is

5641
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stale enough that we wouldn't want to

5642
04:06:46,960 --> 04:06:51,359
just peer review it.

5643
04:06:48,479 --> 04:06:53,439
» So just Okay, I maybe just do a new one.

5644
04:06:51,359 --> 04:06:56,080
I hear you.

5645
04:06:53,439 --> 04:07:00,319
» Council member Kern, your opinion?

5646
04:06:56,080 --> 04:07:02,800
I object um until I see an estimate of

5647
04:07:00,319 --> 04:07:06,080
uh labor and cost to do that. Thank you.

5648
04:07:02,800 --> 04:07:07,760
» And projected timeline

5649
04:07:06,080 --> 04:07:08,720
that that's how I I mean you don't have

5650
04:07:07,760 --> 04:07:11,040
to feel that way but

5651
04:07:08,720 --> 04:07:15,120
» Okay. So staff can you come back to us

5652
04:07:11,040 --> 04:07:18,319
with answers next meeting timeline cost

5653
04:07:15,120 --> 04:07:19,760
and what was the other

5654
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» Staffing?

5655
04:07:19,760 --> 04:07:21,680
» We are working

5656
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» Time and money mayor. That's it.

5657
04:07:21,680 --> 04:07:24,560
» Time and money.

5658
04:07:22,720 --> 04:07:25,840
» We're working on uh obtaining a

5659
04:07:24,560 --> 04:07:26,479
proposal. So, we'll be able to report

5660
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that back to you.

5661
04:07:26,479 --> 04:07:31,439
» But I think the consensus is we're

5662
04:07:29,279 --> 04:07:33,120
potentially looking at a a new study.

5663
04:07:31,439 --> 04:07:34,720
» A new study, not a peer review.

5664
04:07:33,120 --> 04:07:36,880
» Not a peer review, right?

5665
04:07:34,720 --> 04:07:40,120
» And maybe not a new study.

5666
04:07:36,880 --> 04:07:40,120
» Maybe not.

5667
04:07:40,319 --> 04:07:43,279
» Okay.

5668
04:07:41,279 --> 04:07:43,600
» You Kevin, were you going to say

5669
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something?

5670
04:07:43,600 --> 04:07:48,239
» Oh, just the the estimate we were

5671
04:07:45,279 --> 04:07:52,520
pursuing was for a peer review. So, um

5672
04:07:48,239 --> 04:07:52,520
this is a little different. We can

5673
04:07:52,560 --> 04:07:56,840
» It it was my

5674
04:07:57,600 --> 04:08:04,880
» It it seems that a peer review of an old

5675
04:08:00,319 --> 04:08:05,760
study is as much work,

5676
04:08:04,880 --> 04:08:07,520
» Right,

5677
04:08:05,760 --> 04:08:10,880
» As

5678
04:08:07,520 --> 04:08:12,880
a new study. I don't I don't know. I

5679
04:08:10,880 --> 04:08:15,120
It's too late in the day for me to I

5680
04:08:12,880 --> 04:08:17,680
haven't had it explained enough to me to

5681
04:08:15,120 --> 04:08:20,000
authorize to do. Let let's just come

5682
04:08:17,680 --> 04:08:23,600
back with both recommendations. That

5683
04:08:20,000 --> 04:08:25,600
will solve the problem. Okay. All right.

5684
04:08:23,600 --> 04:08:27,680
All right. All right. This meeting is

5685
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adjourned at We're one minute. Well,

5686
04:08:27,680 --> 04:08:32,160
we're more than one minute. 9:37 p.m.

5687
04:08:30,640 --> 04:08:32,560
» I gave us till 9:40.

5688
04:08:32,160 --> 04:08:35,439
» Yeah.

5689
04:08:32,560 --> 04:08:38,439
» Okay. Oh. Oh. Oh, wow. Okay. We're

5690
04:08:35,439 --> 04:08:38,439
there.

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» [music]

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» Heat.