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Now call to order the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors meeting for Tuesday, August 11th.

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Will the clerk please call the roll?

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Here.

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Welcome back.

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Vice Chair Hume will be absent today.

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Supervisor Serna.

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Here.

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And Chair Rodriguez.

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Here.

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We have a quorum.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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you in advance for your courtesy and understanding of the meeting procedures.

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Thank you, Todd. Welcome back, Supervisor Desmond in person. Please lead us in the

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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Got some patriotic dogs in there.

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are there any announcements? Certainly. We do have a few. First, Supervisor Hume

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is expected to be absent today as he has business in for the state of California and as a correction

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to our agenda item number 25 is a receive and file only there is no action required for

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item 25 which is the Sacramento County Bicycle Advisory Committee 2025 annual report the

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board letter recommendation should read here a brief presentation then receive and

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file the Sacramento County Bicycle Advisory Committee B.A.C. 2025 annual report. Those

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are all the announcements that I have. Okay. I actually do have a request with Supervisor

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Hume being out. About a month ago, item number 30, the county impact fee was pushed back

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because Supervisor Desmond was out and Kennedy had asked if we can move it. With Supervisor

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are Hume out today? Can we move this to the August 28th meeting? There's only one item

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on the 28th. That's one request. And also item number 34 is the Civil Service Commission

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item. Hume had asked that we move this to the next meeting. And it was, he was told

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that there was a request to get this done today, but with him absent, would you guys

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be willing to move this to the 28th with only one item on the afternoon?

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Madam Chair, I have no problem, 34 on item 30, I think specifically there is a time crunch

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If this board were to move forward with that, I don't know, I looked to Dave.

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Dave DeFonte, Deputy County Executive, we do have a request in from a developer that

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if this board should make the change requested to extend that offset program to parks districts

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that are dependent, so you're the board of that park district, that we would then be

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able to help them pay for parks fees that are due somewhat immediately.

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So there is some time sensitivity to it.

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I am not clear as to what a two-week impact would or wouldn't do, though.

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So, and excuse me, Chair, I do have on my notes here that Supervisor Hume will still

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be out on the 28th as well for State of California business.

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So then September 15th, so it looks like 30 then will be due today, but then with 34,

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the Civil Service Commission, that one, there really isn't any pressing time.

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Is that one that we can move to the 15th of September?

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Madam Chair?

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Yes.

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Is that good?

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I think the two relevant questions for me are time sensitivity of the issue as Supervisor

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Desmond has already brought up, but also I'd like to know how impacted the, if we punt

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it, how impacted that agenda might be with that particular issue.

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based on what we foresee terms of let me look at that agenda items pulling

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I I believe there's an allowance for that on September 15th but

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again I don't see that we'll have a full board on that day I'll be out and there

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was a request from the board to bring this item forward that's why it's on

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the agenda I know Supervisor Rodriguez had asked to move this also and

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And that's what we had talked about.

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Is it, since there's no brush on 34, the civil service, can that one be moved to the

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Second meeting in September.

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It's up to the board. Would you guys be willing to move

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that so that we are all here for that one item?

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Supervisor Kennedy. Thank you. I'm

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actually going to be, if there's a motion, I will be opposed to both. On item 30, the

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all respect to Mr. Defante, that didn't give me the greatest level of

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confidence that there's not an issue so I do think that there's a time potential

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timelines there and 34 it may seem like it's not timely but this has been

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something that's literally been in the works for months and even years years

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years and you know I don't know where continually kicking the can down the

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road is doing good so I'll be opposed to continuing either item I felt

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similarly to Supervisor Kennedy about both items okay okay so then well then

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And I guess I won't pick that request.

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And we'll move forward with those two items.

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All right, first item, please.

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All right, first item on our agenda is number one,

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bark of supervisors, adoptable pet update.

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Double the trouble today.

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Good morning.

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Next one.

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Good morning, Annette Bezworth

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with Sacramento County Animal Care Services.

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I have Michael and Michael here today

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to show off sisters.

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One is named Veranda.

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that this is veranda over here. This one is Sumatra named after coffee flavors. So they

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are puppies. Highly energetic puppies. And they want to play. What's special and unique

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about them is we've had them in our care for a couple months now and you ask why are puppies

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in your care for a couple months because puppies are highly adoptable. But they came to

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us from the streets and they were extremely thin.

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So we've kept them in our care

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to make sure they're medically cleared. We have given them lots of love and care,

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so they are ready to go to be adopted. They are both already spayed, completely vaccinated,

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and microchipped. And you can take advantage of this month is called Doggust at the Shelter,

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which represents to us, we celebrate all shelter pets, universal birthday,

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and all fees are waived for adoption. So these dogs are ready to go to be adopted.

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They could go home today right now, right the second if you would like.

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As you know with puppies, they're full of energy but they are very well mannered, as

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you can tell, and they're ready to go home.

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I want to share some exciting news.

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Last week, two weeks ago when we were here, we adopted out Roxy.

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And I think that the story with Roxy is so incredible is because she came to the

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board bark of supervisors and was adopted the very same day. And she was in our care

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for months receiving medical treatment and just went overlooked. And so cheers to Roxy

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who found her home after being here just one day. So kudos. It's always a highlight

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to get an email when a dog has been in the shelter. And then I get the email. Oh,

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she got here. She got adopted. That's sweet. I think it's pretty remarkable. It's having

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a positive outcome that I didn't even anticipate. But there's people that I don't even

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know within Sacramento County are like hey we love Barks the supervisors it's the best part of the

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meeting you just watch it for the fact of the dog I'm just saying what I've been shared so it's

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very encouraging to hear that and we do like that the community definitely embraces adopting our

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dogs from the shelter thank you thank you very very much can you just elaborate so adopting

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from Bradshaw Animal Shelter there are certain benefits can you tell us about those

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benefits about the benefits from a shelter dog is you are getting a dog that is completely

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spade, neuter, vaccinated, microchipped, and right now at no cost because of being at Doggast.

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But also, dogs need homes and you are saving a life when you adopt from a shelter.

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I think that's the best place to always adopt from, and we are doing great with our adoptions

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in the community.

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It's awesome.

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I do know Supervisor Serna was, had, was endeared with the, I can't remember the

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cute little puppy that we brought but here's to well why do I feel this odd

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pressure that I'm as I near my career in here at the county I'm going to be

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leaving with a four-legged friend at some point these are these are the

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chocolate labs chocolate mix okay and their sisters they can make you

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definitely keep up with you and you're walking and running I assure you he I

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just heard him say he walked 10 miles to work today so true story could have

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bring his dog to work.

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Day.

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All right.

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Well, thank you, Annette.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Next item, please.

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The next item on our agenda is number two,

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presentation of resolution, recognizing animal control

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officer, Zoe McKernan for her outstanding service,

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investigative excellence, and dedication

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to animal welfare and public safety.

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Good morning, Zoe.

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So I first saw the segment on Fox 40 of an animal shelter officer over the

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county had done a remarkable story and I'll allow you to share the story because

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you will tell it better but I was really impressed and I thought wow what a

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heroine and we need to recognize her for what she did and so I wanted to share

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a little bit about this resolution that we are giving for you because there's

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so much good information. Animal Control Officer Zoe McCurinen has

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has demonstrated exceptional dedication, professionalism and commitment to public service through

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her work protecting animals and serving the residents of Sacramento County. Following a

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deeply disturbing act of animal cruelty captured on a resident security camera, animal control

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officer McCurran approached the investigation with determination, patience, and an unwavering

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commitment to identifying the individual responsible.

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Animal control officer McCurran carefully reviewed evidence, developed investigative

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of Leeds and dedicated countless hours to canvassing the surrounding neighborhood, speaking

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with residents and reviewing camera footage to piece together the suspect's movements.

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When new evidence emerged, animal control officer McCarron and acted swiftly, relying upon

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her investigative instincts, persistence, and attention to detail to help identify the

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suspect and advance the investigation.

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Through close collaboration with the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office, Animal Control

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McCarranin's investigative work contributed to the execution of a search warrant and the

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successful arrest of the individual believed to be responsible. Animal Control Officer McCarranin's

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work reflects the critical role animal control officers serve as investigators, educators,

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first responders, and advocates for animals who cannot speak for themselves while supporting

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the safety and well-being of the broader community. Her professionalism, compassion,

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and determination brought hope to a community seeking answers and demonstrated Sacramento

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County's commitment to taking animal cruelty seriously and holding offenders accountable.

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Therefore on behalf of the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors, we congratulate you

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and just want to let you know that we, you are a hero in my eyes. Here's my card with

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my cell phone. Don't go out alone. I will go out with you. That should that ever

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come again. So if you want to say a few words, just share a little bit about the story

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that happened? Well, I just wanted to thank everyone for inviting me here to recognize this. It's

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really an honor that I was brought here to talk about something that doesn't often get talked

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about, and obviously it's a horrible thing that happened, but the fact that it brought us all here

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today to be able to educate people on how great of an outcome it is, I'm thankful that I get

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to be here and show that we do try to make a difference when it comes to animal cases,

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no matter how big or small they are and so I'm just really thankful that even

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though it was a really hard and horrible case to have to watch and try to resolve

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I'm very glad that I was able to be that person to help solve it and help the

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cats in that neighborhood and I'm excited to continue to do investigations

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like that and help Sacramento County. You are an amazing person and a great

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you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Zoe, Madam Chair, Zoe, real quick.

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Thank you.

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I just, couple of words.

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Zoe, I also want to just thank you directly for what you did here in this incident and

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for the career that you've chosen.

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It is incredibly important and I was in the CHP for 25 years to work very, very

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closely with a lot of animal control officers in different parts of the state. And it's

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a very challenging, challenging role, and you don't get the appreciation that you deserve.

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So I'm glad. Thank you, Chair, for recognizing you here today and for all your efforts.

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You definitely make Sacramento a better place for all two-legged residents and four-legged

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residents. So thank you.

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Thank you, Zoe. All right. Next item, please.

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the next item on our agenda is number three public comments relating to matters

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not on the posted agenda and anyone watching virtually now is the time to

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raise your virtual hand if you'd like to make comments related to item 3 matters

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not on the posted agenda we'll start off with in-person speakers first we have

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sandy please approach the lectern and you will have two minutes to address the

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supervisors.

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Feel free to adjust those. Good morning Sandy.

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Good morning Board.

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Good morning my name is Sandy and we are coming to you this morning in peace and

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in our status as we the people to give you notice and instructions so that you

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and your agents may provide due care. We are here today to remind you once

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again that you are trustees and servants of the people and that you are

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obligated by contract and trust indenture to uphold and defend both our federal and state

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constitutions. Today we are handing you seven envelopes containing follow-up notices for all

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five supervisors, the county sheriff and a copy for the board clerk. On Tuesday, July the 14th,

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2026, we served you with a notice and demand to immediately cease and desist all violations

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of private property rights of the people, asking, where in the constitutions did the people grant

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our servants the authority to deprive us of our constitutional rights to property?

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Where in the constitutions does it say that the people cannot use their own property

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as they see fit. Where does it say in the constitutions that you can use the

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people's money for programs that violate their private property rights? In

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addition we instructed if you believe as government servants any of the claims

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in the notice are untrue that you were to post that grant of authority

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conspicuously on the Sacramento County website homepage within 15 days. My

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colleague will continue.

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Good morning. Good morning board. I'm Debbie, one of we

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the people. Please take notice that the county website was checked on July the

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30th and there was no such posting. Therefore you are in default of our

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lawful notice. And if you take any future action against the people, violating the people's

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private property rights to enjoy all forms, then any future actions will be construed

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as being done with malice, intent, full knowledge, and understanding against your trust and denture.

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Your contract with the people, that would be the Constitution.

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And next we have Sabrina.

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Good morning, Sabrina. Good morning.

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I come to the peace and love of Almighty God as one of the people, Suri Jiris, who hold all political power.

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I stand before you today exercising a sacred fundamental right protected by both the U.S. Constitution, California Constitution,

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the right to petition the government for redress agreeances.

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The First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of the people to peaceably assemble

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and to petition government for the redress of grievance. Article 1, Section 3 of the

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California Constitution likewise declares, the people have the right to instruct their

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representatives, petition the government for redress of grievances, and assemble freely

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to consult for the common good. Presented today is the notice of default failure to

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respond to the notice to cease and desist violating the people's property rights.

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All political power is inherent in the people. As Article 2, Section 1 of the

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California Constitution states, government is instituted for their

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protection, security, and benefit. Those rights come from God, not government.

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They are in inalienable rights and cannot be abrogated. The California

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Constitution Article 1, Section 1 makes clear that all the people are by

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nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are

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acquiring and possessing and protecting property. Maximum law states,

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individual liberties are antecedent to all government. The main object of

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The government is a preservation and protection of personal rights, private property, and public

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liberties.

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Every man's house is his castle, even though the winds of heaven may blow through it.

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Government officials cannot enter it.

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No free man shall be deprived of life, liberty, and property, but by lawful judgment of

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of his peers.

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By the law of the land.

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And as a user patient is exercised a power which another has a right to, so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right, which nobody can have a right to.

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The constitutions are the supreme law of the land. No statute, code, ordinance, or administrative action can diminish or supersede inalible rights to property.

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Government possesses only those powers specifically delegated by the people. Any action beyond these delegations is a user patient.

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Therefore, I demand that all government, public, servants and trustees immediately cease and

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desist from any interference of the people's private property rights without due process

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of law and just consummation as required by the 5th and 14th amendments in the U.S. Constitution

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Article I, Section 7 and 19 in the California Constitution.

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We the people do not consent to unlawful encroachments.

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Our rights existed before government and cannot be taken away by it.

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A frequent recurrence to these fundamental principles is necessary to preserve liberty.

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I call upon you to provide immediate redress of these grievances into honor of Supreme

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Law of the Land.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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And our next speaker is Keith Walter.

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Good morning, Keith.

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Good morning.

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Thank you for allowing me to present this morning.

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My name's Keith Walter.

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I'm a Faroq's resident and president of the Faroq's Village Enhancement Committee.

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If you haven't been to Faroq's Village, it's a unique Sacramento County treasure.

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It's a historic walkable commercial district.

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It's adjacent to the American River Parkway.

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It's known for its wild chickens, community events,

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and strong sense of place.

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At the heart of our village is a community park,

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amphitheater, and clubhouse.

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And something extraordinary is happening there.

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Faroq's residents have self-taxed ourselves

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over $20 million to improve that facility.

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Think about what that means.

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Our community is putting our own money into creating a better place, a gathering place for Farrokh's village.

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But the surrounding land use matters, making a $20 million investment in the heart of the village while simultaneously locating an industrial maintenance yard next to the park is just crazy.

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50 years ago, Sacramento County recognized this very issue.

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It established a special planning area for Farrokhs, and that SPA is our exhibit one,

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which we've given to the clerk, to preserve the village's historic character and foster

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vibrant commercial activity there.

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Yet shortly after the SPA was adopted, an administrative decision allowed the Farrokhs

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water district to establish an industrial maintenance yard in the middle of our commercial

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district.

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For approximately 40 years, our community has lived with that.

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It has heavy equipment, material storage, gravel piles, and a fuel facility.

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These are fundamentally inconsistent with the SBA.

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And we're asking today that you, the supervisors, address this inconsistency and re-look

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at this important issue. Thank you. Thank you, Keith. It is actually one of I think the

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nicest parts of Sacramento County. I put two bids on homes in Old Faroaks 20 years ago

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and got out bid, but it is a very charming area. Thank you. Our next speaker is Susanna

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Martin. Good morning, Susanna. Good morning. My name is Susanna Martin, and I'm also

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part of FOVAC, the secretary. I've been a Faroaks residence with my family since

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I am here regarding the Faroaks Water District Corporation Yard Project approved by the Planning

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Commission on March 14th, 2022 as a special development permit in the commercial district

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of the Faroaks Village Special Planning Area, please see exhibit two.

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We believe county staff made an honest and unintentional mistake that was passed down

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and skipped over for decades.

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We are asking the board to thoroughly review and correct these grievous errors

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just as it would correct any zoning error regardless of the stature of the

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applicant. Here is the mistake. The project was approved as a public utility

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facility in a commercial zone. Please see exhibit three. But it's actual usage,

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truck storage, vehicle repair, fuel storage, and actual hazardous material

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storage. These are the uses of a maintenance and a service yard.

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The

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two totally different use categories. Susanna, really quick. I'll give you extra time. Yeah.

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Do you have those exhibits? Yes. Oh. They've been passed out. Oh, they've been. Oh. Got

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it. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

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If a residential parcel in your neighborhood were mistakenly

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approved for something like a mini-mart and a neighbor discovered that staff had applied

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the wrong use classification, everyone would expect the county to correct it regardless

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regardless of how much time had passed.

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This is what is exactly happening here.

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Equal protection under the law means this project

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deserves treatment and requires the same scrutiny.

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This use, this yard does not belong

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in our beautiful historic village.

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There's a very obvious reason the cities of Folsom

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and El Dorado have decided to move very similar yards

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out of their historic downtowns.

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These uses do not belong in a lively and fun

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and beautiful commercial district.

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and more importantly they heavily suppress economic growth. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker is

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Christopher Grenz. Good morning Christopher. Good morning. Thank you for having us. My name is

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Chris Grenz. I'm a longtime resident of Faroq's. I'm a general contractor. I build homes in the

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I'm going to in 1940. So I've been around the process for talking about zoning. The county

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zone zoning codes draw clear lines between utility facility and service yard and has

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since 1979. And I bring up that date because 79 is when they first water bought that property.

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The zoning code, table four, lists the permits used in industrial zones, exhibit four. Under

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industrial yard use it lists public utility service yard and storage maintenance and repair

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yard. And then under miscellaneous it separately lists public utility and public service

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facility under miscellaneous permitted, and that's Exhibit 5.

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These are not the same thing.

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Even in 1979, the code drafters of the 79 county code knew the distinct difference. One, a

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facility that transmits and stores a utility service. And two, a yard that stores, maintains

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trains and repairs the trucks and equipment used to service it.

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Farrokh's water district is the latter. It's an industrial yard and that is not permitted

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in a commercial zone and never was. The Farrokh's Water District Corporate Yard is

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not excluded from zoning. We've provided a letter, Exhib 6, from council, county

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County Council, May's, Powell and May's, need to wrap it up, Mr.

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Speaker.

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Oh, sorry.

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Thank you.

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It's okay.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Leon Caracos.

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Very close.

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Good morning, Leon.

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Story of my life.

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Before I start, just want to make sure what you guys know what these things are, these

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are your take-home study guides, because it's very complicated.

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We wanted to make sure you could follow everything.

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Anyway, my name is Leon Caracos.

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I have lived in Faroaks since 1995. What we are asking of the board today is very straightforward.

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Apply the county's own land use policy and applicable California case law to this proposed

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corporate yard. In 1976,

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County Sacramento board of supervisors created the Faroaks

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special planning area, the SPA. They had pre-approved uses because they were existing

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or they were just pre-approved, one of those pre-approved uses is a utility

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facility, a corporate maintenance yard, as you have seen, is not a utility

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facility and never was. Their proposal makes things worse. Hazardous waste

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storage right next to neighbors homes, a gas station, a truck wash, reduced

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setbacks, gravel pits, with limited setback next to residential houses that

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doesn't belong there. In 1979, the water district purchased the land. It was a lumber yard, like

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a lumberjack, a commercial use. They moved their administration building there. Fine,

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a commercial use. However, over time, with no permits to do so, Ferris Water District

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illegally surrounded their admin building with trucks, gravel pits, industrial storage.

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which never was allowed, never was allowed, still isn't allowed, nothing was said over

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time which gets us to where we are today, which I'm going to have to jam through.

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Exhibit, county policy, CM 13, which you should have, specifically states that in order

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to be a utility facility, you have to store, create, or maintain the utility.

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It specifically states below that a corporate yard is not excluded from county zoning.

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We need to wrap it up, Leon.

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Pardon me?

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We need to wrap it up.

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Okay, sorry.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Leon.

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Take these home.

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Please.

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Our next speaker is Brian Fisher.

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Good morning, Brian.

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Good morning, Chairwoman.

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It's nice to see you with life in the limb, Mr. Desmond.

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Good morning, everyone.

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everyone. My name is Brian Fisher and I am a Faroaks resident as well as a business and

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property owner in Faroaks Village. Has everybody here walked Faroaks Village? It doesn't take

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very long. It's about 10, 15 minutes. It's a beautiful historical village that's under

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a renaissance. And so we invite you to help us fulfill that renaissance. It's fairly

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really simple. Farrokhs, I invite you to consider one thing, which one of these things doesn't

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belong. It's a simple Sesame Street game. We play it when we're children. We play it

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as parents. And so when the Farrokhs Water District was allowed to apply and approved

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for a special development permit, there was a mistake that's been made. And we have

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an opportunity, you have an opportunity to correct it. The instruction page for the special

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development permit application alone should disqualify this project. How does this project

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carry out the intent of the general plan and any applicable community plan? How is

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the proposed development compatible with existing and proposed land uses in the surrounding

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area? Again, which one of these things doesn't belong? If you walk Faroaks Village

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in the 10 to 15 minutes, you will easily pick out which block doesn't belong. And it's

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very simple. It is the Faroaks Water District's yard. It's the first thing that I noticed when

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I ever walked my village. What is this thing and why is it here? The county's application

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states that a special development permit may not be granted for use that is not

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otherwise expressly authorized by the zoning governing the parcel. A permit may adjust

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development standards, but it cannot silently convert a commercial district use into an industrial

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one.

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Please note, Section 1A also requires the project to carry out the intent of the general plan

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in the SPA.

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This project does not.

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Section 1C.

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I'm trying to wrap it up.

467
00:42:46,090 --> 00:42:47,090
Yes, thank you.

468
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Section 1C requires compatibility with existing land uses.

469
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This project is not only incompatible, but also antithetical.

470
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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Abigail Harland. Good morning, Abigail. Good morning. My name is

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Abigail Hoyland. It's kind of close. I'm a Fair Oaks resident and small business owner.

473
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I want to explain why I think this Board should act and what we're asking you to do.

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County Zoning Code section 615A, Exhibit 14 says that an entitlement permit, approval

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approval or non-discretionary design review determination, if not for the purpose for

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which it was granted, shall lapse and become void three years following the date on which

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the permit became effective, unless one of the exceptions listed in the code applies.

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We found no extension on record. In Exhibit 15, Planning Director Ton Smith confirmed

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that section 615 applies to special development permits.

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The Planning Commission approved this permit on March 14, 2022.

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It became effective around March 25,

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making its three-year date approximately March 25, 2025,

483
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more than a year ago.

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So we're asking this board to determine whether this permit lapsed.

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If a valid permit application or other qualifying action preserved it, please identify it and

486
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when it occurred.

487
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:40,980
If not, Fair Oaks Water District should begin again with public notice, CPAC review,

488
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planning

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the correct zoning analysis. As a small business owner, I understand that permits and deadlines

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matter.

491
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,120
When residents asked county planning about an appeal, we were

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The county should apply that same standard to this permit's 36 month deadline.

493
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Please wrap it up, Gail.

494
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:09,020
Abigail.

495
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:09,880
Thank you.

496
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:10,780
Thank you.

497
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,660
Our next speaker is Chet C.

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Good morning, Chet.

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00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,100
Good morning.

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00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:20,080
My name is Chet Corcos.

501
00:45:20,700 --> 00:45:24,660
I grew up in Fair Oaks, and now I live in Fair Oaks Village neighborhood with my wife and kids.

502
00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:31,380
In 1979 the board adopted the village SPA to keep it quote a viable commercial

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center that same year the county's code listed on the same table a utility

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00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,020
service yard as an industrial use and utility facility as a miscellaneous use

505
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:46,260
in 2009 the district moved its offices across the street and left an

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industrial yard behind a change of use which the county's ordinance

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required to be reviewed it wasn't and no variance or special permit could

508
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have allowed it. In 2022, the Planning Commission approved rebuilding the yard, assuming the

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yard as a facility. County Council confirmed in writing the project is not exempt from

510
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:10,020
zoning, and when press, county staff admitted the term, quote, does not include a definition.

511
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The county's own policy, CM 13 and California government code 53091 in the Lafayette court

512
00:46:17,220 --> 00:46:22,260
decision all draw the same line. A corporation yard is not core water infrastructure and

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is subject to ordinary zoning. Four years later, nothing has been built and unused permits

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00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:32,520
lapsed at three years. CPAC members say they were misinformed when they recommended the

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project. 379 residents and ratepayers have signed the petition to move the yard. Exhibit

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one in your binder asks you for five things. One, direct staff to determine in writing

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whether the permit has lapsed. Two, direct the planning commission to hold a revocation

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hearing for the permit. Three, adopt a resolution of intention to amend the SPA recognizing the

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difference between facility and service yard. Four, direct the planning commission to formally

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interpret those terms. And five, direct staff to study the relocation of the water district.

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The residents of Faroq's Village appreciate your support. Thank you. Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Tezra Sledge.

523
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,940
Good morning, Tezra. Good morning. I'm not going to take

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of a lot of your time. So in a climate of financial uncertainty and with this year's budget being

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00:47:30,820 --> 00:47:36,920
really bad and next year's budget expected to be worse and people worried about their

526
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:45,660
positions within Sacramento County as an employee, the comment that I heard made by you, Supervisor

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00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:51,180
Rodriguez was pretty disheartening and very sad that something like that would really

528
00:47:51,180 --> 00:47:57,200
come out of your mouth about AI, taking over people's jobs so that Sacramento County could

529
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:03,760
save a buck by not paying into people's retirement and or paying for the employees' benefits.

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00:48:05,940 --> 00:48:11,460
Being voted in by your constituents, some of whom I'm sure are Sacramento County employees,

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00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,300
I can guarantee you that that comment is not going to sit well with them.

532
00:48:16,980 --> 00:48:21,540
I heard about it because one of my co-workers wrote a flyer about it and posted it on

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00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:26,940
our website. And when I watched it, I was disgusted. That's all I have to say. I hope

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00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:34,180
you guys have a better day. Thank you. Supervisor Desmond. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:37,680
I just wanted to, we can't go back and forth because this is off agenda public comment,

536
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but I just want to thank the members of the Faroaks community for being here. It's

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00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,720
proudly in my district, District 3. It is an amazing, wonderful place. I understand

538
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:51,000
and your frustration, we have had some meetings about this.

539
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,160
What I'm gonna ask is look to Dave Defonte,

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00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,020
our deputy county exec.

541
00:48:55,460 --> 00:48:57,740
Just can we take a look at the documents

542
00:48:57,740 --> 00:49:00,180
that have been submitted by them today, Todd,

543
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and you and I can have a follow-up meeting about this,

544
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just to make sure there isn't something

545
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we have missed, certainly, on the county end,

546
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and then I will certainly follow up with you.

547
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Of course.

548
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:10,700
All right, thank you.

549
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:12,940
All right, next item, please.

550
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And I will ask anyone online who wants to make comments

551
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,780
for off agenda matters please raise your virtual hand now

552
00:49:22,930 --> 00:49:24,890
and we have no

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00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:31,610
virtual speakers next item on our agenda is consent matters that are matters four

554
00:49:31,610 --> 00:49:39,050
through 24 all right I I want to make a comment on number nine on number nine

555
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:45,890
uh-huh do you want to Supervisor Cerna yeah thank you can you Todd please

556
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:52,390
read nine into the. Certainly. Item number nine is approved calendar year 2027 group

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insurance renewals. Okay very good thank you. So what I would like to propose is

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that we postpone consideration of this item until the afternoon. I've had

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several conversations telephonically with representatives from the

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the Sutter healthcare system as well as members of our executive team just within the last

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couple hours. And it's came to my attention late yesterday, but there is some concern

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that's been expressed by Sutter about some of the nuance. I'll just call it some of

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the nuanced part of what we're being asked to consider. And what I think is the fair

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thing to do since there is I think a valid concern. And it may be something attributable

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00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:56,830
to perhaps not understanding the full extent of the nuance is to provide some extra time

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between now and the two o'clock hour for the relevant parts of our executive team to

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meet with the counterparts with Sutter to maybe come to a better understanding of what

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those details are so I would I would ask that we do that and I suspect we do need

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to take a separate vote then to postpone or to a second the question until two

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o'clock so that would be my motion all right please vote I guess we don't need

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00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:39,710
anyone we don't have to ask the public to speak to the motion to move it okay

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So would that be the first item at the 2 o'clock? Yeah, we can take that as the first time.

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That motion passes 4 to 0 with supervisor Hume absent.

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So we will hear item number 9 at the 2 o'clock hour or yeah 2 o'clock hour.

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Okay, so we have the remainder of that consent.

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Any in a poll or motion?

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00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,360
Or actually, are there any public comments?

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any members of the public that would like to speak on consent calendar items 4

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00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:26,280
through 24 please raise your virtual hand and in person we have Naomi

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G speaking

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on item number five Naomi please approach the lectern and address the

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supervisors. Good morning Naomi. Good morning Board of Supervisor. My condolence

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to David Allen Jones and family for his recent pass away for District 1. My name

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00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,580
is Naomi and I'm here to express my interest and consideration to be

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appointed for Sacramento Suburban Water District Division 1 vacancy. I'm here

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regarding item number 5 for the vacancy. I believe that water is

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something that people don't think about until it's a problem. But this is a

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most essential service for our community and I would love to be a part of it.

589
00:53:14,820 --> 00:53:19,060
Thank you. All right. Supervisor Desmond. Thank you Madam Chair and Naomi. Thank

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you for being here to speak. I will move approval of the remainder of the

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consent items including item five. Thank you. We have a second? Second. All right

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00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,220
we have a motion and a second please vote. Thank you Naomi.

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And consent

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calendar items 4 through 8 and 10 through 24 pass 4 to 0 with Supervisor Hume absent.

595
00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:52,900
All right next item please. All right the next item on our agenda is number 25 and that is

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Sacramento County Bicycle Advisory Committee 2025 annual report.

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Who's presenting this item?

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Our presenter is David Comer-Cherro.

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He

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left.

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00:54:24,660 --> 00:54:27,420
Chair, Dave Defonte, they were just here a moment ago.

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I'm happy to go check the lobby to see if they're still here.

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Okay.

604
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No.

605
00:54:42,330 --> 00:54:43,810
There was a little misunderstanding.

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We are changing this item to receive and file,

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and so our speaker had thought that he wasn't actually going to give the presentation,

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which I just learned as he, like, walked out.

609
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:55,370
Oh, okay.

610
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:58,650
So we have another member of SAC back here who's willing to pinch it,

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and he would like to give the presentation.

612
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Okay, that's fine with me.

613
00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:06,130
Yes.

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00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:11,350
Hi, Evan Dudley, I'm a member of the Sacramento

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Bicycle Advisory Committee for two years now,

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hearing about all the different projects that are going on,

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especially in terms of active transportation.

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Some of the things that we've been talking about

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have been about adding places

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so people feel more safe and comfortable

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inside of going across Sacramento County,

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especially as it relates to the American River Parkway.

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But also, what's been happening is that there's been a lot

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of added space for, especially around the schools,

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00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,000
looking at places like Bell Street and Whitney,

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covering a lot of the different places

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where kids are riding their bikes,

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and making safe spaces that do not conflict with traffic,

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making it easier for people to move around the city without necessarily picking up their

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car.

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And the other thing, too, is also part of the advisory committee has been really great,

632
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has been to be able to bring other techniques in terms of making a safe space recycling.

633
00:56:19,860 --> 00:56:22,880
Sorry, I was told I was going to do this about three seconds ago.

634
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,800
That's okay. You know what? You're doing great. You're doing great.

635
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One of the things, too, is we have a lot of hotspots inside of the city where places,

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00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:36,980
the Six Lane Highways, I don't know if you saw, there was a New York Times article just

637
00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:41,000
went through, where Washington Post talked about how the Six Lane streets are some of

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00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,600
the most dangerous streets in America generally in terms of architecture, and that's what

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Sacramento County has quite a bit of.

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And then here you have the heat map that kind of shows those places, and that's

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where a lot of the investment of the SAC DOT is going, and a lot of our attention

642
00:56:56,060 --> 00:57:00,720
has spent looking at places where people are having these conflicts with cars.

643
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:08,030
Supervisor Serna. Thank you, Madam Chair. Let me know if I'm

644
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:11,270
beating you to the punch here, but are you going to, and I know you're pitch-hitting,

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00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:16,070
so you're doing a great job so far, but are you going to hopefully speak at some

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00:57:16,070 --> 00:57:23,810
point or will someone talk to us about electric bikes? And I think what's on the minds

647
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:30,710
of most of us in elective office locally is the rise in incidents, accidents, and fatalities

648
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:37,750
associated with especially young people on electric bikes that can, you know, go up to

649
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:41,750
45 miles an hour. That's what I'm really interested in understanding.

650
00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:47,650
Yeah. And, you know, Supervisor Desmond did a great safety talk over in Carmichael

651
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a couple months ago about that, talking to CHP, bringing in Liz Bellas, talking about

652
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:55,450
This is before he broke several bones in his own accident, right?

653
00:57:56,170 --> 00:58:02,570
Well, and one of the things to hear is that what we're doing is creating a safe place to ride bikes.

654
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Right.

655
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When there is not, and one of the places where we see the most conflict is where you can't cross the street for a mile and a half

656
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because there is no crossing.

657
00:58:11,930 --> 00:58:16,150
Where you see reckless behavior is where you cannot be in a safe place.

658
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:18,590
Yes, there is a rise in e-bikes.

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it's going to continue. But it's also one of the ways where we can keep people off our

660
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roads and off our highways by reducing traffic by allowing people to use bicycles, which are

661
00:58:28,590 --> 00:58:33,510
out there. There's a number of laws and there's also things going through the state senate

662
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:40,150
right now. SB 1167 is a good example. That's not really the purview of the bicycle advisory

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00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:44,890
committee. We're looking at projects that are in the works and then adding ways for

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that to be better for all cyclists and and pedestrians for that matter we're

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looking at ways where because if there's no safe place to ride then there will be

666
00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:59,830
unsafe behavior that's a guarantee and that doesn't require a motor of any type

667
00:58:59,830 --> 00:59:08,490
to happen yeah I'm not gonna get to a rich back and forth here but I don't

668
00:59:08,490 --> 00:59:12,990
even have to watch the news to see it I as was mentioned earlier today I do a

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tremendous amount of walking daily, weekly, monthly.

670
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And so that exposure to the outdoors

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might seem my own community, seem my own neighborhood,

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and seeing young people almost regardless of the danger factor,

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the laws, respect for other cyclists, pedestrians,

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and drivers.

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00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:42,150
And believe me, I'm not trying to paint

676
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:57,910
such a broad brush that there aren't good actors, but man, I am seeing so much bad behavior in terms of inviting, you know, tragedy by the kids that are...

677
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,440
On these 35-mile-an-hour electric bikes doing wheelies down the street in the middle of a six-lane road.

678
01:00:05,660 --> 01:00:13,380
Yeah, well, I mean, I live by, you know, between what, you know, is between me and my son's school.

679
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:19,800
He's 12. He doesn't have any bike, actually. But the fact that there are parked cars in the bike lane,

680
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:26,400
which I need to report on a regular basis to get moved, means he has to go into traffic or onto the sidewalk to get to his school.

681
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,260
Yeah, he's inexperienced. He's 12. He's gonna make maybe not the best decision

682
01:00:31,260 --> 01:00:33,420
But the thing is if the bikeway was open and

683
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,380
Functional he wouldn't be forced onto the sidewalk or into the middle of the street to then cross walk

684
01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:41,640
I don't also do it. I don't have a car, but San Juan just

685
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:46,720
Did it change their policy on all e-bikes being banned for K through 12 or K through

686
01:00:47,140 --> 01:00:49,680
under 15 and allowed to ride so as

687
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,980
suffrage does man said there's going to be enforcement that needs to catch up with the behavior

688
01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:55,480
but if there isn't safe

689
01:00:56,020 --> 01:01:01,600
places to ride. There's no chance that people can stay out of your way when you're either

690
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,840
walking or in a car because the bike lane is either non-existent, doesn't connect between

691
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:12,580
places or it's something that's, it's not fulfilling the needs of the transportation

692
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:15,780
for people. And that's what we're focused on is trying to make sure that the projects

693
01:01:15,780 --> 01:01:22,120
incorporate the different tech basic ideas, which sometimes is just saying it's a hard

694
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,920
curve instead of a rolled curve and that keeps cars from parking up on the sidewalk.

695
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,140
We're on the same page and we're I think we want the same thing. I know Mr. DeFonte,

696
01:01:31,580 --> 01:01:34,380
Madam Chair is in the queue so I'm not sure if Dave you wanted to.

697
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,660
Yeah I'll take care of that. Mr. DeFonte.

698
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:42,420
Sure Dave DeFonte, Deputy County Executive. We're hearing a lot of the same feedback.

699
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:47,280
The distinction I wanted to make is there's a few levels of e-bike and then there was

700
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,480
what we've been calling e-motor cycles. I'm not sure if that's the right term or

701
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:56,920
not, but I see them in my neighborhood. They're going 50, 60 miles an hour. So I think there

702
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:02,460
is a difference there both in terms of law and otherwise. So, you know, we do see a lot

703
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:07,460
of responsible use of e-bikes that go far less than that, and it is a helpful mode of

704
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:12,840
transportation for many. The e-motorcycles that really are motorcycles going extremely

705
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,260
fast are sort of a different thing that we're handling separately. You know, primarily

706
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:20,660
on the American River Parkway we're seeing a lot of that a lot of conflict

707
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:26,180
between users relative to those types of e-bikes versus e-motor cycles and the

708
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:29,040
same on our roadways we're hearing a lot from our residents on that as well.

709
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:35,020
Yeah I've actually in particular City of Folsom, City of Alt Grove and the

710
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:38,220
City of Citrus Heights have taken and the Sheriff's in certain areas have

711
01:02:38,220 --> 01:02:46,460
taken aggressive approaches to cite these youngsters and tow their their

712
01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:49,460
their bikes, so there's enforcement taking place now.

713
01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:54,640
Yeah, but you know what was an interesting miss when we, I went to hear from Bellison

714
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:01,400
and Supervisor Desmond was that the American River Parkway doesn't have the budget to get

715
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,820
a speed radar gun, you know, so they're moving straight to confiscation instead

716
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:10,000
of maybe giving out tickets, giving out warnings.

717
01:03:10,580 --> 01:03:14,380
There's a step between I think it's being missed, confiscating vehicles is not

718
01:03:14,380 --> 01:03:18,080
always like the most productive thing. And it is hard to tell. You don't look at these

719
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,960
and go, oh, that's an e-moto versus that's an e-bike sometimes. The no-pedal thing is

720
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,540
an easy symptom. But class three bike can go pretty fast.

721
01:03:25,780 --> 01:03:33,460
Yeah. I think the issue is you've got underage unlicensed driving e-motor cycles that they

722
01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:39,060
need to license for. Yeah. But the message shouldn't turn from screens are unhealthy

723
01:03:39,060 --> 01:03:43,600
to now bikes are unhealthy. We want kids to be able to get out. They need to

724
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,520
somewhere, the American River Parkway is one of the best places they can ride. And if you

725
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:52,860
look at the high intersections from the heat map before, you know, it surrounds all the

726
01:03:52,860 --> 01:03:56,960
intersections that are around the American River Parkway. We have this jewel of a park.

727
01:03:57,460 --> 01:04:01,460
It's the safest place for kids to ride. It's not the best place for them to be building

728
01:04:01,460 --> 01:04:07,380
jumps in the back area. But the idea is I think we actually just need more resources

729
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:13,160
to help connect safely the American River Parkway and our schools and for these kids

730
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,520
It's to have a space to learn how to ride.

731
01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:16,500
It's going to take time.

732
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:17,540
You don't learn overnight.

733
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:19,900
There's no fun video games about it anymore.

734
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:21,020
Paperboy's long gone.

735
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:22,060
Madam Chair.

736
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,760
So you brought the heat map back up

737
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,080
with the numbers at the bottom.

738
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:31,400
Does this make any distinction between e-bikes

739
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,800
or regular bikes?

740
01:04:33,260 --> 01:04:35,200
That data is not really captured very well.

741
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,020
There's a couple of things that aren't captured well.

742
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,620
We had to go through the coroner's report,

743
01:04:39,060 --> 01:04:40,480
and you'll see that under race,

744
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,360
there's a lot of nationalities called out.

745
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:49,060
So this is something where the County could really use a better data map and then we could really help with a number of things

746
01:04:49,060 --> 01:04:51,720
Let me stop you there Dave. I

747
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,620
Would like us to if we're not already asking the question and capturing the data on

748
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,040
death injury

749
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,820
location of incident

750
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,700
basically this heat map

751
01:05:04,140 --> 01:05:06,680
What I want to see or I'll see it as a

752
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:13,420
as a civilian next year as just a citizen of Sacramento County, but nonetheless it's

753
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:18,200
still something I'd like to see and I suspect others as well, is I'd like to understand

754
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:27,800
these metrics as it relates to e-bikes because I got to believe that the speed that comes

755
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:34,140
with an e-bike that does have the pedals, so not an e-motorcycle, it's marketed,

756
01:05:35,460 --> 01:05:39,160
It's sold, it's branded as an e-bicycle.

757
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:47,580
I think it's important for this county to understand trends, especially in this case

758
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:53,920
for unfortunate trends, but specific to that mode of transportation.

759
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,580
I would also add that if we could, if we're going to add metrics, we should be looking

760
01:05:59,580 --> 01:06:01,660
at the hood heights of trucks as well.

761
01:06:01,660 --> 01:06:07,060
Well, if you see the reduction in pedestrian deaths went down dramatically up until 2009,

762
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:13,700
at which point it is now rebounded back to the same levels as 1980, because, and primarily

763
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,560
in this great New York Times article about this, they did a deep dive.

764
01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:20,560
If you're going to add metrics, we should be looking at what types of cars and vehicles

765
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:25,440
are involved in these accidents, because it's the cars that are killing people on

766
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:25,820
streets.

767
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:31,000
Unfortunately, this board in this county doesn't have much authority over hood heights

768
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:37,960
or dimensions of vehicles. We do, however, have some authority in terms of the law's

769
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:45,180
ordinances relative to bicycle safety. So it's not that hood height isn't important.

770
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:54,500
I agree with you, and I've read the same time's piece. But to me, the glaring issue

771
01:06:54,500 --> 01:07:00,780
you in front of us, at least immediately, is the prevalence and popularity of e-bikes,

772
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:06,520
the speed that comes with it, the behavior that comes with e-bikes.

773
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,800
And I will tell you, and I say this anecdotally, that when you have a bike that can go 40

774
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:19,900
miles an hour and you put a 14-year-old person on there that is interested in going

775
01:07:19,900 --> 01:07:25,060
out with his buddies to see how far they can do wheelies in a six-lane street, it's a recipe

776
01:07:25,060 --> 01:07:25,720
for disaster.

777
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,940
So I think this county has an obligation to at least understand the problem better than

778
01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:35,760
some county supervisor that just is making a judgment based on what he saw in his walk

779
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,580
to work this morning.

780
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,200
So that's what I'm asking for.

781
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:43,460
I think we could have made the same argument decades ago with skateboarding and then

782
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:47,360
we started building skate parks and there was a place for kids to go do those things

783
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,360
that they wanted to do.

784
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,900
You know, going 40 miles an hour isn't necessarily easy, but look at Fair Oaks through the Phoenix

785
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:53,440
Bike Park.

786
01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:58,180
That's a place where kids can go to do those things and take those devices.

787
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,260
I think it's more of a way of saying, you know, we have places, and if we create a

788
01:08:02,260 --> 01:08:08,260
place where people can and know how to use and can learn how to use these things safely,

789
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,700
then we'll see better ridership.

790
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:12,420
And the thing is, we need to protect our highways.

791
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,920
I mean, they're going to be cluttered with people driving.

792
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,180
the, you know, Seacog says we're going to double the population of the Metro by 2040.

793
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:24,720
There's, we're not going to expand the highway to three more lanes. You know, we're going to need

794
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,040
to be able to get more people on e-bikes. And I think if you look at the, especially the

795
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,720
population and where I am, you know, there's a lot of families who cannot afford a used car

796
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,760
at the average of $25,000 a year. I have nothing against e-bikes. I have everything

797
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:43,880
against bad behavior on e-bikes. And e-bikes give you an opportunity that a regular bicycle

798
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:50,680
does not, and if you disagree with it, we'll just argue all day long. Yes, I agree. Our

799
01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:59,220
parkway needs to be a safe place for both people that are on regular bikes, and if

800
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:04,860
we want to then consider as a matter of policy, maybe a place, maybe not necessarily on the

801
01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:11,880
parkway, or where e-bikes can roam freely, and somehow the policies are different, fine.

802
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:19,160
But again, it's the technology combined with the behavior trends, which is what I'm focused

803
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:19,620
on here.

804
01:09:19,980 --> 01:09:26,720
So a year ago, the CHP at my community meetings in late 2025, they came out and gave a really

805
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:32,420
good presentation with, it was a summary of all the different bikes, the type of bikes,

806
01:09:32,580 --> 01:09:35,920
what was allowed, who was allowed, who needed a license.

807
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:42,880
Maybe a presentation on that from CHP would be beneficial to us to see the efforts that

808
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:43,800
they're already making.

809
01:09:44,420 --> 01:09:45,720
That's to David.

810
01:09:46,440 --> 01:09:47,400
David Villanueva.

811
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,360
Yeah, Cal Bike also did a really good diagram on that as part of their support for SB 1167.

812
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,320
So you're going to see more of that information out there, but we have local experts in

813
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,120
that field that can really speak to that.

814
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,800
And then we need to educate the public, I mean the schools and the parks are some

815
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,220
on the best places to try and curb the bad behavior,

816
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,240
but I think, you know.

817
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:08,500
Yeah, so a year ago,

818
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,180
CHP was working with the high schools.

819
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:12,840
And I was, at that time,

820
01:10:12,940 --> 01:10:15,700
I was more concerned about district four high schools,

821
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,460
but there was communication with the unincorporated

822
01:10:20,260 --> 01:10:23,660
high schools and educating and trying to do,

823
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,380
you know, some parent, more parent education

824
01:10:26,380 --> 01:10:27,400
so that parents know,

825
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,540
are aware which bikes are needed

826
01:10:29,540 --> 01:10:31,300
because you don't have to have a license

827
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:36,860
to purchase these bikes but parents are buying them and it was right before Christmas time

828
01:10:36,860 --> 01:10:42,660
because Christmas time was coming and that's a time that parents are buying their kids gifts

829
01:10:42,660 --> 01:10:47,000
and these bikes require a license and so that's one of the issues.

830
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:50,280
That's an FYI if we wanted to get a presentation from CHP.

831
01:10:51,340 --> 01:10:51,860
Okay, Evan.

832
01:10:52,260 --> 01:10:52,680
Thank you.

833
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:54,780
Is that it?

834
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,560
Well, I spent a lot of time on e-bikes which is what we weren't actually covering

835
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:06,220
But what we're really advocating for and looking for and advising the county on is better safer places for people to bike

836
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:11,480
Period and hopefully less reckless behavior. I need bikes. Yeah, I think you know overall

837
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:14,100
I I would ride my bike more in public

838
01:11:14,100 --> 01:11:20,820
but there are areas where I just don't feel safe and I would I would love to be able to even do bike

839
01:11:20,820 --> 01:11:27,320
Bike RT walk work do that, but it's it just isn't it doesn't feel even in areas that are

840
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,920
that set aside that have the cones they don't it doesn't feel very safe because

841
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:37,020
traffic is just going so fast yeah barriers are the only way to keep a

842
01:11:37,020 --> 01:11:42,620
car from crossing lights and paint on the doesn't stop a car in any shape or

843
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:46,900
form especially under bad conditions and people more comfortable they feel the

844
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:51,200
more people who won't be driving that comfort level is really the most

845
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,960
important piece to getting people to feel safe out there and using it more

846
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,040
and keeping us with less traffic in the county.

847
01:11:58,600 --> 01:11:59,720
Well, thank you for stepping in

848
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,360
for the presentation, I appreciate it.

849
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,360
Are there any requests to speak on this item?

850
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:05,760
We do have requests to speak on this item.

851
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,900
And any member of the public watching through Zoom

852
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:10,120
that would like to speak on item 25,

853
01:12:10,380 --> 01:12:12,900
the Sacramento County Bicycle Advisory Committee 2025

854
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:16,040
annual report, please raise your virtual hand.

855
01:12:16,540 --> 01:12:20,180
And our first speaker in chambers is Deborah Banks.

856
01:12:23,670 --> 01:12:24,390
Good morning, Deborah.

857
01:12:24,910 --> 01:12:25,730
Good morning, everybody.

858
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:31,470
body. Supervisor Serna, I have to jump right back into the eBike conversation. I know I

859
01:12:31,470 --> 01:12:37,910
only have two minutes. CalBike did a fantastic report just recently that talked about collecting

860
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:42,390
the data that you were just asking about. It isn't collected right now at the county

861
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:48,150
level, but it is starting to get collected in emergency rooms. So I know a horrible

862
01:12:48,150 --> 01:12:53,210
place to collect the data, but if that's what you've got. So there are some interesting

863
01:12:54,010 --> 01:13:01,650
statistics that are coming out, 43% of the injuries in emergency rooms for ages 17 and

864
01:13:01,650 --> 01:13:08,710
less are on conventional bikes. They're not on e-bikes. But e-bikes are having a larger

865
01:13:08,710 --> 01:13:16,650
percentage of injuries for the 18 to 34-year-old age group. And we thought that they would

866
01:13:16,650 --> 01:13:20,610
be really large along our seniors, because there are a lot of seniors and elders that

867
01:13:20,610 --> 01:13:24,890
are picking up e-bike use because they get back into transportation, they're feeling better

868
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:29,510
about themselves, and that number is actually quite a bit smaller, only 9%.

869
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:32,890
So that's actually a great myth that I'd like to bust.

870
01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:36,350
The thing about e-bikes is they're coming.

871
01:13:37,550 --> 01:13:45,470
I believe 100% that enforcement is useful because it's a fast, immediate, pay attention

872
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:46,990
here, you're doing something wrong.

873
01:13:47,530 --> 01:13:49,370
Education is what we really need.

874
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:55,730
Of course, that's a much longer, slower, you know, cultural change kind of policy and intervention.

875
01:13:56,510 --> 01:13:58,870
And the other thing that's really important is policy.

876
01:13:59,610 --> 01:14:04,070
You guys can't help on this policy, but there are people working at the state legislature

877
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:10,250
to work on manufacturers, which actually don't put the right information about the

878
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:14,250
different bikes, so that when you get an e-moto, it says it's an e-bike, which

879
01:14:14,250 --> 01:14:16,330
is part of the problem it's causing.

880
01:14:16,330 --> 01:14:21,810
What I wanted to talk about was the SACPAC program, and I want to encourage you guys,

881
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:27,570
when you've looked at the crash data, that big heat map that was up, to consider a quick

882
01:14:27,570 --> 01:14:32,490
build program for SAC County, quick build programs which you don't have right now but

883
01:14:32,490 --> 01:14:38,770
would be really beneficial because they could quickly change the environment, that built

884
01:14:39,970 --> 01:14:41,310
structure of the street.

885
01:14:42,930 --> 01:14:44,350
Oh, thanks for asking some minutes.

886
01:14:44,350 --> 01:14:46,230
They'll give you extra seconds.

887
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:46,870
No, you need to wrap it up.

888
01:14:47,130 --> 01:14:52,830
Yes, they'll allow you to make some changes to the road immediately and reduce the kinds

889
01:14:52,830 --> 01:14:57,490
of conflicts and collisions that are happening on the roads immediately.

890
01:14:57,890 --> 01:14:58,190
Thank you, Deborah.

891
01:14:58,190 --> 01:14:59,050
They are less expected.

892
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:13,360
I appreciate the reference to the data, but there's a lot of caveat to that. Perhaps there's

893
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:21,420
more incidents that end up in the emergency room by a certain age group, more so on regular

894
01:15:21,420 --> 01:15:27,660
bikes, but then you've got to look at what's the share of regular bicycles to e-bikes and

895
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:28,640
And then tell me about that.

896
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:37,260
And B, also I think an important data point is fatalities and the type of injuries that

897
01:15:37,260 --> 01:15:43,760
are occurring on e-bikes versus regular bikes, because again, speed is a factor in the type

898
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:44,280
of injuries.

899
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:49,280
Is it long lasting traumatic brain injury versus broken arms?

900
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,160
So to me, yeah, you've got to drill down a little bit more than that.

901
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:58,500
Yeah, absolutely. 100 percent. I totally agree. We're just starting to collect this information.

902
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,740
So as we get a larger pool of information, we'll have better data to be able to provide

903
01:16:02,740 --> 01:16:03,820
you better information.

904
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:04,960
Great. Thank you.

905
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:05,040
Thank you.

906
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,280
Our next speaker in chambers is Sandy.

907
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:15,840
Hello.

908
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:22,580
Hi again. Yeah, I just was listening and, you know, having come here to speak on property

909
01:16:22,580 --> 01:16:33,780
rights earlier. I did take note of the speaker's mention of the property confiscation because

910
01:16:33,780 --> 01:16:41,720
the officers, I guess, don't have a speed gun or whatever. I think I heard him say that.

911
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:47,140
But that's pretty concerning to me that personal property would just be confiscated like that

912
01:16:47,140 --> 01:16:50,720
without documenting the speed of a user.

913
01:16:52,180 --> 01:16:55,820
Other comments I have are, and I think the previous speaker

914
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:59,220
spoke about the responsibility that

915
01:16:59,220 --> 01:17:02,400
should be held on to the manufacturers,

916
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:07,180
bringing on a new product like this into the environment.

917
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,760
I think that when we're building structures

918
01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:12,160
and buildings and things like that,

919
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:16,660
they have what is it, environmental impact studies

920
01:17:16,660 --> 01:17:22,360
that are done. I don't know if this is something that would have benefited to have been done

921
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:32,280
prior to releasing these entertainment bicycles. And then also I was really appalled to see

922
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:39,380
how many deaths over that four-year period. I think if I saw that right, it's 40 deaths

923
01:17:39,380 --> 01:17:46,800
a year over four years that's that's so many I just I couldn't believe it so it

924
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:53,520
is concerning not to mention the injuries you know but deaths so I'm glad

925
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,840
that you guys have this on the agenda and that you're looking into it so thank

926
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:02,800
you thank you Sandy any member of the public viewing online that would like

927
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,720
to speak on item 25 bicycle advisory committee 2025 annual report please

928
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:12,600
raise your virtual hand. And we have no speakers online for this.

929
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,840
All right. Well, this is a receiving file. Next item, please.

930
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:20,900
The next item on our agenda is 26, Court Involved Pathways to Behavioral Health Treatment

931
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:21,280
presentation.

932
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:31,050
All right. Good morning. Brian Quist, Behavioral

933
01:18:31,050 --> 01:18:33,710
Health Director. Nice to see you all this morning.

934
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:35,870
Good to see you. So this morning I'm talking about

935
01:18:35,870 --> 01:18:40,870
Court Involved Pathways to Behavioral Health. Before I jump into that, I would like

936
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:47,790
to remind our general public that may be watching, that we actually across the county have made

937
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:52,150
some huge changes to how we're delivering behavioral health and making it accessible to people

938
01:18:52,150 --> 01:18:57,430
throughout the county. We now have 58 access points throughout Sacramento County where

939
01:18:57,430 --> 01:19:04,830
people can walk in and receive services. That includes our core adult clinics. There

940
01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:08,730
are 11 of them across the county. Each one of them has a community wellness center

941
01:19:08,730 --> 01:19:10,230
which is available for walk-in.

942
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:14,850
Our youth programs, our contracts have been called FIT,

943
01:19:15,090 --> 01:19:17,430
and those, we have 16 sites throughout the county.

944
01:19:18,030 --> 01:19:21,230
For substance use disorders, we have our outpatient clinics,

945
01:19:21,450 --> 01:19:24,910
as well as our medication-assisted treatment clinics

946
01:19:24,910 --> 01:19:26,750
that are all available for walk-in.

947
01:19:27,090 --> 01:19:29,710
And then the other one I really like to remind everybody about

948
01:19:29,710 --> 01:19:32,650
and talk about every chance I get is that we have our

949
01:19:32,650 --> 01:19:36,470
Mental Health Urgent Care Clinic on Stockton Boulevard,

950
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:40,510
which is available for people to walk in when they have mental health challenges.

951
01:19:40,730 --> 01:19:46,810
So I just wanted to do a quick reminder about these access points throughout the county before I jump into

952
01:19:47,550 --> 01:19:51,830
more formal presentation on the court-involved pathways.

953
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:54,870
And so here are the topics that I'll be talking about today.

954
01:19:55,030 --> 01:19:58,610
Dr. Quist, one moment. Shuman, did you want to say something? No, okay. All right, please continue.

955
01:20:00,330 --> 01:20:04,650
We're good. All right, so we'll start off with CareCourt, Care Act.

956
01:20:04,650 --> 01:20:11,730
right. This is a new civil court process, so not criminal court. This is a civil court

957
01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:19,710
process which allows adults with serious mental health conditions to get connected and have

958
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:28,130
their care coordinated in collaboration with the courts. The intention is to have earlier

959
01:20:28,130 --> 01:20:35,190
intervention to promote stabilization as well as reduce the frequency with which people

960
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:38,250
experience crises, hospitalization or incarceration.

961
01:20:39,530 --> 01:20:42,690
Who can file petitions for care court?

962
01:20:43,170 --> 01:20:47,750
It's basically family members, service providers, first responders.

963
01:20:48,110 --> 01:20:49,170
Those are the main groups.

964
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:56,470
We have a few more broken out group listed there, but those are the basic categories.

965
01:20:56,470 --> 01:21:03,390
The main goals are to provide timely access to services and provide a less restrictive

966
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:10,070
environment for treatment, alternative from jail, conservatorship, or repeated involuntary

967
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:14,790
hospitalization, and ideas to promote long-term stability.

968
01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:23,050
So one of the parts that I was asked to include as a part of this is the legal references

969
01:21:23,050 --> 01:21:32,670
This is where the rules about these different court-involved pathways are defined within

970
01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:37,490
California regulations, so you'll see references to those as we go through here.

971
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:43,350
This one was Senate Bill 1338 that was initiated Care Court.

972
01:21:43,890 --> 01:21:52,190
We implemented in December 2024, along with the majority of the counties.

973
01:21:52,190 --> 01:21:58,490
There were some counties that had an early implementation in 2023 that were the early

974
01:21:58,490 --> 01:22:02,950
pilot counties, and then we were part of the larger rest of the counties that implemented

975
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:04,570
in December 2024.

976
01:22:05,970 --> 01:22:12,310
So in terms of eligibility criteria, Carecourt focuses on those with schizophrenia or other

977
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:14,110
schizoaffective disorders.

978
01:22:14,410 --> 01:22:15,870
That's how it was originally defined.

979
01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:19,930
then in for beginning January 1st, 2026,

980
01:22:20,370 --> 01:22:23,750
eligibility was expanded to include bipolar one

981
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:25,430
with psychotic features.

982
01:22:25,850 --> 01:22:27,350
That was in SB 27.

983
01:22:28,530 --> 01:22:30,250
Here's some other legal references

984
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:33,630
so you can find where the different requirements

985
01:22:33,630 --> 01:22:38,950
and legal structures defined.

986
01:22:41,140 --> 01:22:45,140
In terms of how this is played out,

987
01:22:45,140 --> 01:22:51,480
we have had, we're above average in terms of how many petitions we've had. We've had

988
01:22:51,480 --> 01:23:01,220
216 petitions filed with the court. And then 65 of those have been accepted by care court

989
01:23:01,220 --> 01:23:07,240
with one graduation. And these dashboards are now available on the Behavioral Health Services

990
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:14,660
website. So you can find those and keep track as time goes and as more people get

991
01:23:14,660 --> 01:23:18,060
involved with Carecourt, you can watch the data.

992
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:19,140
I'm sure.

993
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:19,700
Yes.

994
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:20,200
Sorry.

995
01:23:20,660 --> 01:23:21,460
Supervisor Desmond?

996
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:24,660
Oh, go ahead.

997
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:25,940
Oh, it said dirty.

998
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,000
No, he did it the right way.

999
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:28,660
I did it the wrong way.

1000
01:23:28,820 --> 01:23:29,020
OK.

1001
01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:32,440
While you're getting complacent in your last few months here.

1002
01:23:32,780 --> 01:23:32,960
I know.

1003
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:35,660
Thank you, Dr. Quist.

1004
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,420
I may have a couple other questions related

1005
01:23:38,420 --> 01:23:39,600
to some of the other programs.

1006
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:42,200
But I'm really glad we're having this discussion.

1007
01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:44,260
I mean, I think a lot of folks in the community,

1008
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:50,140
A lot of our elected official peers and other stakeholders have been clamoring for a report

1009
01:23:50,140 --> 01:23:51,980
about this and kind of where we stand.

1010
01:23:52,300 --> 01:23:58,540
So specifically the care court, I mean, I know it's certainly interesting how the characterization

1011
01:23:58,540 --> 01:24:04,600
of this is much different than really what the implementation has looked like statewide.

1012
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,120
I mean, I think a lot of people were under the impression that this was going to be

1013
01:24:08,460 --> 01:24:14,220
You know, really, the panacea to solve homelessness and to address so many issues.

1014
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:16,460
And we knew that was not going to be the case.

1015
01:24:16,540 --> 01:24:18,680
I think we all knew that it was going to be relatively limited.

1016
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:20,980
Can you go back to that last slide?

1017
01:24:21,780 --> 01:24:22,680
You still have it up.

1018
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:23,980
Sorry, the one with the stats.

1019
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:25,640
I'm looking at myself on my screen here.

1020
01:24:25,780 --> 01:24:26,360
Let me take that off.

1021
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:32,040
You said that we are actually, we're doing better than the statewide average in terms

1022
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:32,960
of number of petitions.

1023
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:33,480
Right.

1024
01:24:33,660 --> 01:24:34,320
File, Brian?

1025
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:34,680
Okay.

1026
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:35,360
I appreciate that.

1027
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:42,120
And how are we, how are we doing in the results though with the percentage of the petitions

1028
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,920
file that someone actually gets in the ministry?

1029
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:45,480
Can you break that down a little bit?

1030
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:48,120
Because I honestly don't know how we're preparing for that.

1031
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:50,300
I'd say we're above average there as well.

1032
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:54,780
I think in terms of other large counties, we're up there.

1033
01:24:54,940 --> 01:24:57,720
We're probably second or third in terms of large counties.

1034
01:24:57,860 --> 01:25:04,460
And then there are some more rural counties that for whatever reason have a higher

1035
01:25:04,460 --> 01:25:06,000
a per capita number of petitions.

1036
01:25:06,460 --> 01:25:07,980
Okay, so we're certainly not unique

1037
01:25:07,980 --> 01:25:11,180
in realizing that really the reach of care court

1038
01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:13,900
is not as expansive as people thought.

1039
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:14,420
Correct.

1040
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,800
Okay, how about the cost that it has,

1041
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,300
what does the cost spend to Sacramento County

1042
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:21,900
in implementing care and work?

1043
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,000
That's a good question.

1044
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:24,540
I don't think I came prepared with that.

1045
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:25,440
Oh, that's right, that's right.

1046
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,320
One of the funding-wise.

1047
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:28,840
Because you'll probably get that

1048
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:29,600
from the other jurisdictions.

1049
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,940
I'm sure you'll have questions.

1050
01:25:30,980 --> 01:25:31,980
The state, thank you.

1051
01:25:32,380 --> 01:25:32,860
Remember that.

1052
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:34,000
I'll be ready next time.

1053
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:36,820
The state did create a funding structure

1054
01:25:36,820 --> 01:25:39,740
where we basically do, it's sort of a fee for service,

1055
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,060
sort of a funding mechanism,

1056
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:43,080
where based on different activities,

1057
01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:45,720
we build those activities to the state

1058
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,060
and then we get reimbursed with them.

1059
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,180
I will say that it turns out the reimbursement rates,

1060
01:25:50,660 --> 01:25:51,700
the amount of money they're paying us

1061
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:53,620
is not paying for the program,

1062
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,100
but it's in the big picture of things,

1063
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:58,560
not a huge, huge program,

1064
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,960
so it's probably still something

1065
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,920
I think we can maintain financially.

1066
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:05,740
Supervisor Sarno.

1067
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:06,640
Thank you, Chair.

1068
01:26:07,700 --> 01:26:10,980
A little bit of a follow-up to Roger Desmond's line

1069
01:26:10,980 --> 01:26:11,680
of question here.

1070
01:26:12,500 --> 01:26:19,360
The one number that really jumps off the page here for me,

1071
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,720
and my question is this, how much stock

1072
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,920
should I put into this number is the one

1073
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:27,980
graduated, the 1.64%.

1074
01:26:27,980 --> 01:26:28,500
So,

1075
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:33,600
getting a weird echo over here somewhere.

1076
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:41,760
How much stock should we put into that number as a sign that things aren't working as well

1077
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,420
as we had hoped?

1078
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:49,700
It's mostly considered to be a two-year program.

1079
01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:56,800
And so we went live December 2020, no I already forgot what my site said, 2024.

1080
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:04,180
2024. So we still have a little bit longer until our two years are up for a majority of

1081
01:27:04,180 --> 01:27:06,960
them to sort of be getting to the end of their two-year time period.

1082
01:27:07,500 --> 01:27:16,840
Okay. So you're telling me that this is a wait-and-see because of the kind of the temporal constraints

1083
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:24,840
of the administration of the program? Does that mean that we should be delighted to

1084
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,260
see a 3% graduation later?

1085
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,720
I mean, it seems awfully low,

1086
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,600
almost the regards to how you cut it.

1087
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,740
He graduated really early

1088
01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:35,080
and the progression of things

1089
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:37,220
is the way I characterize it.

1090
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,900
I wouldn't expect to see too many more graduations that early.

1091
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:42,100
All right.

1092
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:43,580
Thank you.

1093
01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:46,040
And speaking of which,

1094
01:27:46,460 --> 01:27:47,720
if there are no other questions,

1095
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,820
we have a video that we'd like to show you

1096
01:27:50,820 --> 01:27:53,240
of the one graduate.

1097
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:53,380
it.

1098
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:56,940
One more time.

1099
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:05,200
Air court as a program specifically has really opened up the

1100
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,100
possibility for the mental health treatment of people with severe mental

1101
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:15,040
illness in our community. Historically we've always believed in you know

1102
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,360
openness and willingness to engage, volunteer engagement for outpatient

1103
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:23,580
services, but you know throughout our careers in mental health and you know

1104
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:28,280
hearing feedback from community members, oftentimes the people with the highest need that are

1105
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:33,300
the most vulnerable tend to be the least likely to seek out help. So CareCourt allowed the

1106
01:28:33,300 --> 01:28:38,100
county to be responsible for providing mental health services to all people, not just people

1107
01:28:38,100 --> 01:28:39,260
who could self-advocate.

1108
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:44,980
Well, it's been successful now. I had to stick with my mom, stick with taking medicines

1109
01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:48,300
and everything, you know, and I'll be on the street, you know,

1110
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:49,980
but being on the street is no way to live.

1111
01:28:50,980 --> 01:28:53,620
So, you know, I did what I had to do,

1112
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:57,740
short it up, you know, so now I have a place to live.

1113
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,700
Well, I'm delighted for them, of course, as we all are.

1114
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:05,300
And I can recall that I think the mom in particular

1115
01:29:05,300 --> 01:29:07,500
was a bit skeptical whether or not

1116
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:10,300
this was going to be able to make any real difference.

1117
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:13,400
And I think that she was won over

1118
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,540
or by the commitment of the team and by the provider.

1119
01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:20,480
I think it's a pathway to connect persons

1120
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:22,920
who are suffering from schizophrenia

1121
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:28,020
and now bipolar one to treatment services in the community.

1122
01:29:28,540 --> 01:29:33,280
With particular focus on those who are likely otherwise

1123
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,940
to end up hospitalized or maybe even incarcerated.

1124
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,960
And the treatment is full services

1125
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:47,760
including housing if necessary kept leaving me but every time he'd leave me

1126
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:52,980
she'd go look for him and she'd find him and bring him back to me so that was a

1127
01:29:52,980 --> 01:29:58,860
period of where you know she'd bring him back in for a while so she was really

1128
01:29:58,860 --> 01:29:59,120
Thank you.

1129
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,660
Which I was so happy because she kept after him to come back. And every month he had to

1130
01:30:06,660 --> 01:30:13,140
go to the court to make sure that he checked in. And he started getting his medications and

1131
01:30:13,140 --> 01:30:18,180
then they started giving him the different services. Took a while to get started, but

1132
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:23,220
eventually, you know, now it's been a year and pretty successful.

1133
01:30:23,860 --> 01:30:29,980
Yeah. Happily, he has accepted those services and has really, really benefited across his

1134
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:35,000
journey so far in care court. He is doing much better according to pretty much

1135
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:39,200
everyone's report, his own mother, the psychiatrists and social workers. Everyone

1136
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:43,240
has seen the difference in how he's living a better life and his symptoms

1137
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:47,120
are under control and he doesn't have his illness getting in the way anymore of

1138
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:51,180
being able to to be successful in his life. We've not yet had the opportunity

1139
01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:56,580
to have any graduations, but in 2026 we are poised to have our first couple

1140
01:30:56,580 --> 01:31:00,120
of successful graduates from the program which will be fantastic to see.

1141
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:05,980
We want to treat them as a human and not just their disorder and to bring that mentality

1142
01:31:05,980 --> 01:31:10,420
to our community, to bring that mentality to our treatment providers and to other people

1143
01:31:10,420 --> 01:31:14,540
has been a real blessing and I would say that that's probably one of the more rewarding

1144
01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:19,260
parts of this job that I've seen is being able to educate folks not just on illness

1145
01:31:19,260 --> 01:31:23,280
and disease but to say this is a human that's just having a hard time and this

1146
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:27,500
is the ways that we're going to try to help them. And he helped me not be enough, but we're

1147
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:29,220
certainly going to try and we're going to keep on trying.

1148
01:31:29,780 --> 01:31:41,260
I think it was a good experience that he had to go to someone and talk to them, you know,

1149
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:46,320
make sure that he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. And it's a year, it's only

1150
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:52,220
a year, so I think it can work. It can work.

1151
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:52,980
All

1152
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:03,020
right, so that was Lorenzo, our first graduate, got to participate in his graduation ceremony.

1153
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:09,240
It was really an exciting moment, and I think the biggest thing was is that I had the opportunity

1154
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,680
to remind him that as a part of this process, he now has the support network that in spite

1155
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,600
of the fact that he has graduated, he now has folks that when he does experience his

1156
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:22,700
future challenges, which will happen, is that he now has the support network to

1157
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:27,840
go to and continue to help support him long after care court is completed.

1158
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,080
Come on Dr. Quase, Supervisor Desmond. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you Ryan

1159
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,320
for the video. I think that that's great. That success story is great. I'm

1160
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,340
asking you know it and I'm glad you talked about it's the support. Care

1161
01:32:38,340 --> 01:32:42,740
Court is not a forced treatment thing, you know, and that's funny how many

1162
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:46,140
people expected it to be that. It is a support. It's kind of an

1163
01:32:46,140 --> 01:32:50,920
intentionality. What are, is there anything going on, any discussions at

1164
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:57,300
the legislature right now about expanding the scope of care court or even discussions

1165
01:32:57,300 --> 01:33:03,820
among other behavioral health directors throughout the state about how we can make it more effective

1166
01:33:03,820 --> 01:33:07,900
and help us reach more people. Because I mean, I think the bottom line, how many of

1167
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:12,120
us every day hear from people in the community, hey, I saw someone living out on the streets.

1168
01:33:12,140 --> 01:33:17,320
They're clearly suffering from some kind of behavioral health issue. Why can't you

1169
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:22,120
use these new tools, one of these new interventions like care court. Are there

1170
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,300
discussions about that, about any changes coming up? There have been a few

1171
01:33:26,300 --> 01:33:32,240
different legislative ideas that have percolated. As of right now, none of them

1172
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,720
have made it through the process. I'm not aware of any that have that are

1173
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,640
currently like on the brink of getting approved or anything.

1174
01:33:41,820 --> 01:33:46,380
Yeah and I just wanted to add I think most importantly and Dr. Quist is

1175
01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:50,740
going to talk about a number of tools today throughout the presentation. Most importantly,

1176
01:33:50,940 --> 01:33:56,860
what we want to do is really help the community, help first responders to better understand

1177
01:33:56,860 --> 01:34:01,400
all of the multiple pathways and to navigate those pathways because we think the tools

1178
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:05,560
are there in our toolbox. We just think it's going to take a little bit more coordination

1179
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:11,160
to ensure people understand how to best utilize them. So that's really one of our big intents

1180
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:11,600
of today.

1181
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,720
All right. Next one I'm going to talk about is assisted outpatient treatment.

1182
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,060
This one's a little bit older.

1183
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:21,100
It's been around a little bit longer,

1184
01:34:21,860 --> 01:34:24,740
also known sometimes as Laura's Law.

1185
01:34:25,220 --> 01:34:28,380
This was designed for people with serious adults,

1186
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:29,880
with serious mental illness,

1187
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,440
and it has a broad, it's not as focused

1188
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,440
in terms of the diagnostic requirements.

1189
01:34:37,140 --> 01:34:42,320
The eligibility criteria focus on repeated hospitalizations,

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01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:43,760
justice involvement,

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01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:52,960
or other significant risks to serious deterioration such as danger to themselves or others.

1192
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:01,760
On this one, instead of filing a petition with the court, as in care court, the petition,

1193
01:35:02,580 --> 01:35:06,940
if you will, is filed with Behavioral Health Services, and then we evaluate it and then

1194
01:35:06,940 --> 01:35:11,500
determine whether or not meets the eligibility criteria to pass on to the courts.

1195
01:35:11,500 --> 01:35:20,900
This one's intended to prevent psychiatric crises and reduce re-admissions and recidivism from hospitals and our justice systems,

1196
01:35:21,380 --> 01:35:26,400
promotes stabilization recovery outcomes and engagement with community-based services,

1197
01:35:26,820 --> 01:35:31,700
and works towards long-term independence in the least restrictive setting.

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01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:39,560
We, with your support, went live with this effective July 1st, 2021.

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Here are the legal references for assisted outpatient treatment for your notes.

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01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:47,960
And then here are some data.

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01:35:48,140 --> 01:35:54,920
As you can see from this, this is much less utilized in comparison with Carecourt.

1202
01:35:54,920 --> 01:36:01,640
basically the probably bottom line is the asterisk down at the very bottom that 14

1203
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:08,740
out of 15 initial petitions were granted by the court and then three of we had

1204
01:36:08,740 --> 01:36:14,540
three petitions that were renewed successfully with the court as well one

1205
01:36:14,540 --> 01:36:19,400
moment dr. Quiz supervisor sorry now no I just wanted to mention to the point

1206
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:29,100
that Surveys doesn't made about CareCorp is that even with AOT, my understanding is that

1207
01:36:29,100 --> 01:36:36,980
that alternative does not necessarily mean that there's going to be, for instance, forced

1208
01:36:36,980 --> 01:36:37,560
medication.

1209
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:38,460
Correct.

1210
01:36:38,940 --> 01:36:48,420
And so that's also a collaborative effort that involves the person that AOT is attempting

1211
01:36:48,420 --> 01:36:53,880
to assist. Because I think that's another myth out there is that you're going to find

1212
01:36:53,880 --> 01:37:03,500
these folks taking advantage of AOT and that the judge is going to force someone to take

1213
01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:07,760
or be injected even with medication. That's not necessarily the case.

1214
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:15,960
Very true. Thank you for that comment. And then the last data point I was going to

1215
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:21,880
acknowledges we've had four graduations out of AOT out of those 15 individuals.

1216
01:37:24,660 --> 01:37:31,320
All right, mental health diversion. This is a law that presents an opportunity for

1217
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:36,220
individuals to participate in treatment in lieu of traditional criminal

1218
01:37:36,220 --> 01:37:40,860
prosecution. This is a pretrial diversion pausing the criminal case while

1219
01:37:40,860 --> 01:37:45,680
the individual engages in treatment and then upon successful completion the

1220
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:50,480
cases dismissed and the record can be sealed. This applies to both misdemeanors and felonies.

1221
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:57,780
Focuses on providing evidence-based treatment in the community and providing accountability

1222
01:37:57,780 --> 01:38:03,540
so that they still have to report back to the court on a periodic regular basis in order

1223
01:38:03,540 --> 01:38:09,040
to report back on how their progress is going and the courts will hear from their treatment

1224
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,460
providers as well as the individual to hear how things are going. And it's supposed

1225
01:38:14,460 --> 01:38:16,100
And it's a very supportive environment.

1226
01:38:17,190 --> 01:38:20,860
The idea is to reduce future justice involvement as well.

1227
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,280
Here's the legal references down there at the bottom.

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01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:25,200
We did implement.

1229
01:38:25,940 --> 01:38:29,120
This is an amazing partnership between the courts,

1230
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,700
behavioral health, public defender's office,

1231
01:38:31,980 --> 01:38:33,060
district attorney's office.

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01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,040
More legal references.

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01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:43,780
Since 2023, we've had almost 4,300 individuals

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01:38:43,780 --> 01:38:50,940
referrals referred for assessments as a part of mental health diversion. As a part of those

1235
01:38:50,940 --> 01:38:56,760
referrals we then that resulted in almost 4,000 assessments. And then what behavioral

1236
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:01,140
health does is we just basically do the assessment and report back to the court whether or not

1237
01:39:01,140 --> 01:39:07,880
individuals are eligible to receive our services. And then it's really a discussion and

1238
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,780
you know, debater through the legal process

1239
01:39:10,780 --> 01:39:13,580
between the public defender and the district attorney

1240
01:39:13,580 --> 01:39:16,440
regarding what the outcome of the case is.

1241
01:39:16,620 --> 01:39:19,240
And then ultimately if the court decides

1242
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,820
to grant the mental health diversion,

1243
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,140
then we continue to help support them

1244
01:39:23,140 --> 01:39:24,420
through behavioral health services.

1245
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,940
And so we've had 2,454 individuals

1246
01:39:27,940 --> 01:39:29,940
who were linked through mental health diversion

1247
01:39:29,940 --> 01:39:31,560
to our service providers.

1248
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:36,880
Do we know the recidivism rate of those 2,400?

1249
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:38,920
We don't.

1250
01:39:39,220 --> 01:39:41,240
I don't have data on that.

1251
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:46,180
That information will let you know whether the program is effective in somebody getting

1252
01:39:46,180 --> 01:39:52,460
– I mean, the purpose of them is to go to get help for whatever crime they have committed.

1253
01:39:53,040 --> 01:40:01,960
But in order for me to know, is the mental health version profitable, then, is to know

1254
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,100
are they recommitting a crime again?

1255
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:07,560
So that's fine.

1256
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:08,620
I can always get that later.

1257
01:40:08,660 --> 01:40:11,320
I have to check with the courts and see if maybe they have that data.

1258
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:12,020
That's fine.

1259
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:12,920
That later is fine.

1260
01:40:13,420 --> 01:40:13,840
Shabon?

1261
01:40:14,900 --> 01:40:18,300
I was just going to say, we'll look into that data and get back to you.

1262
01:40:18,300 --> 01:40:23,940
it would be data that's kept by the courts or by our other systems, not necessarily by

1263
01:40:23,940 --> 01:40:24,540
behavioral health.

1264
01:40:24,740 --> 01:40:25,040
Thank you.

1265
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:25,780
I'd appreciate that.

1266
01:40:27,020 --> 01:40:27,920
All right.

1267
01:40:29,100 --> 01:40:38,000
And then SB 43 made changes to LPS, which is Lennerman Petrus Short Act, which basically

1268
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:45,160
defines our 5150 and other related regulations in terms of involuntary holds.

1269
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:53,880
prior to SB 43, there was already a part of the law that an individual could be held involuntarily

1270
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:58,700
against their will for grave disability if they are unable to care for their own food,

1271
01:40:58,860 --> 01:41:05,040
shelter, clothing as a result of a mental health diagnosis or disorder. What SB 43

1272
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:12,920
introduced was now individuals can be involuntarily put into treatment if they're unable to

1273
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,680
care for their own food, shelter, clothing

1274
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,560
due to a severe substance use disorder.

1275
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:19,860
So that was a new piece.

1276
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,280
The other new piece was that if they're

1277
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,440
unable to care for their own basic needs, which is defined

1278
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:29,840
to include ability to obtain necessary medical care

1279
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,240
personal safety out in the community.

1280
01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:37,260
So that's how the SB 43 changed the law.

1281
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:38,800
A quick question on that one.

1282
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:42,460
So it sounds all great.

1283
01:41:42,460 --> 01:41:48,200
Do we have the facilities to be able to meet the needs of individuals who fall into this

1284
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:48,500
category?

1285
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:53,680
I think that comes out of the data here in Sacramento County.

1286
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:58,820
There were 176 SB 43 holds over a three-quarter time period.

1287
01:41:59,460 --> 01:42:04,180
Out of those, we're not seeing any of them go on to a treatment facility.

1288
01:42:04,740 --> 01:42:10,820
So basically what we're interpreting based on the data is that individuals are on

1289
01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:11,220
a substance.

1290
01:42:11,220 --> 01:42:13,280
since they go into an emergency department,

1291
01:42:13,740 --> 01:42:16,540
maybe their body metabolizes that substance.

1292
01:42:16,900 --> 01:42:19,660
Once that substance has been metabolized,

1293
01:42:19,660 --> 01:42:21,960
they're no longer presenting as unable to care

1294
01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,180
for their own food shelter clothing.

1295
01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:27,200
And so then there's no longer a basis under which

1296
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,380
they can continue to be held against their will.

1297
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:32,400
We do try to link people with services

1298
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:33,320
at every opportunity.

1299
01:42:33,500 --> 01:42:35,220
We have a crisis navigation program

1300
01:42:35,580 --> 01:42:38,920
that is available to all of every emergency department

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01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:40,980
in the county in order to help link people

1302
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:45,660
with services as well so and so does so the my question still stands are there

1303
01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:53,120
services and facilities that can take care of individuals that may not be able

1304
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:59,540
to care for themselves or do we is a demand greater than the supply no the

1305
01:42:59,540 --> 01:43:04,660
demand is not greater than the supply we have we have enough acute beds we

1306
01:43:04,660 --> 01:43:09,460
did around study that determined that we we do not have a shortage of our

1307
01:43:09,460 --> 01:43:13,120
So we have 500 and I have a slide on this and it might be next.

1308
01:43:13,580 --> 01:43:15,240
Supervisor Desmond has a question.

1309
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:16,740
Supervisor Desmond.

1310
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,140
Thank you. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for asking the questions.

1311
01:43:20,540 --> 01:43:25,180
That's a great question to tee up about, does the capacity meet the demand?

1312
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,080
And yes, I was thinking about the rayon study.

1313
01:43:27,700 --> 01:43:31,140
And we added a great deal of capacity to be able to meet that demand.

1314
01:43:31,460 --> 01:43:35,800
The challenge is as you highlighted and I think for the public to understand

1315
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,620
and certainly other elected officials

1316
01:43:37,620 --> 01:43:38,620
to the county to understand

1317
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:42,000
that we are inherently limited in the tools

1318
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,340
to get people to take them.

1319
01:43:43,480 --> 01:43:47,100
We can offer, plead, beg, cajole with folks

1320
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:49,560
to go into these treatment facilities that we have.

1321
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:53,440
But again, SB 43, it's episodic, I guess.

1322
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:54,880
I mean, that someone will either,

1323
01:43:55,460 --> 01:43:58,820
maybe they come off of what's keeping them

1324
01:43:58,820 --> 01:44:00,100
from being able to take care of themselves

1325
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,500
or they have a moment of lucidity.

1326
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,980
They're not able to be held beyond

1327
01:44:04,980 --> 01:44:06,260
on the 72 hours for instance.

1328
01:44:06,460 --> 01:44:08,100
And that's not just a challenge

1329
01:44:08,100 --> 01:44:09,560
that Sacramento County is having, right?

1330
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:10,960
Everybody is having this challenge,

1331
01:44:11,060 --> 01:44:13,720
but that is what we hear from constituents

1332
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:15,520
more than anything else.

1333
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,980
How are you telling me that you can't intervene

1334
01:44:17,980 --> 01:44:19,320
and force this person on the street

1335
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:21,500
who's clearly going through a crisis?

1336
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,560
How can you kind of intervene

1337
01:44:23,560 --> 01:44:26,600
and put them involuntarily into a system?

1338
01:44:26,780 --> 01:44:29,060
Well, this is why what we're describing here today.

1339
01:44:29,420 --> 01:44:32,540
So yeah, so thank you and thank you for teeing that out

1340
01:44:32,540 --> 01:44:37,920
because it's not, when it comes to the behavioral health for these folks, it's our biggest challenge

1341
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:44,580
is not necessarily the capacity. It's our, you know, restrictions on kind of forcing people

1342
01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:45,820
or leveraging them into treatment.

1343
01:44:46,660 --> 01:44:47,320
Ms. Katari?

1344
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:48,040
Yeah.

1345
01:44:48,220 --> 01:44:48,720
Thank you again.

1346
01:44:49,140 --> 01:44:50,800
Shevon Katari, deputy county executive.

1347
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:56,980
So one of the challenges that we face is that when a provider who is doing the

1348
01:44:56,980 --> 01:44:58,420
assessment, sees somebody.

1349
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,620
They generally only see what's right in front of them in terms of symptomology and what that

1350
01:45:04,620 --> 01:45:08,760
person's experiencing. And one of the things that Dr. Quist will probably get to later is,

1351
01:45:09,140 --> 01:45:13,900
you know, with the incoming she, social health information exchange, what we're really hoping

1352
01:45:13,900 --> 01:45:19,040
to do with that fuller breadth of data is to be able to look at that person's history

1353
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:23,820
more extensively, be able to look at how many times that person has come to the attention

1354
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:29,820
of law enforcement or emergency rooms and really be able to build a better case, if you will,

1355
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:34,900
for the need for treatment, because right now we don't have the full information or the full

1356
01:45:34,900 --> 01:45:40,260
picture. So we are working with our partners in the hospitals. We're working with our partners in

1357
01:45:40,260 --> 01:45:46,140
EMS to really figure out how to build that better picture so that we can better serve folks.

1358
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:51,480
So more to come on that. How soon before she is available? She is going to be launched for

1359
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:56,160
the justice-involved population in October of this year, and then over the next year

1360
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,700
and two will build additional capacities out.

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01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,700
Has one quick follow-up question.

1362
01:46:02,220 --> 01:46:07,000
And the other thing, a lot of folks who are, correct me if I'm wrong, if they are brought

1363
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:15,520
in on an involuntary hold under new SB 43 criteria, and they may come down off of

1364
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:20,020
whatever has been causing their challenges, they still may end up getting enrolled

1365
01:46:20,020 --> 01:46:24,420
in care corridor AOT correct so I want to make it clear it's not just no it's

1366
01:46:24,420 --> 01:46:26,760
just that and they're not getting involved in any of these other programs

1367
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:30,400
there's there's a lot of cross referral in a different program correct doctor

1368
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:35,040
quiz that's true absolutely true the other thing is some what we found is

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01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,600
the majority of the people who who we are identifying with a severe substance

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01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,940
use disorder also have a co-occurring mental health condition and so a lot

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01:46:42,940 --> 01:46:46,260
there are circumstances where they are going they are being

1372
01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:52,580
psychiatrically hospitalized to a large extent. So yeah, and so we just wanted to highlight,

1373
01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:59,840
we do have quite the portfolio of beds here in Sacramento County, 566 beds total. Out

1374
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:05,860
of that 566 and 98 of them are psychiatric health facilities, which are smaller facilities,

1375
01:47:06,260 --> 01:47:11,680
16 beds each. And then, well, with the exception of our county operated one, which

1376
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:17,140
has 50 beds. But they're still smaller with different regulations than the larger acute

1377
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:20,460
psychiatric hospitals, which we have 468 beds of.

1378
01:47:20,860 --> 01:47:27,000
Dr. Chris, I have a question. Go back to the slide. So if we have capacity for individuals

1379
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:34,020
who have needs, what do they do with the staffing and all the resources because the

1380
01:47:34,020 --> 01:47:36,780
beds are not fully utilized?

1381
01:47:37,420 --> 01:47:38,260
The beds are full.

1382
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:39,140
Oh, they are full.

1383
01:47:39,300 --> 01:47:39,320
They are fully utilized.

1384
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:39,520
Yeah.

1385
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:39,620
Yeah.

1386
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:40,860
Yeah.

1387
01:47:40,980 --> 01:47:41,100
Okay.

1388
01:47:42,620 --> 01:47:43,060
Okay.

1389
01:47:43,260 --> 01:47:47,200
So, I was earlier when I asked, do we have enough supply for the demand?

1390
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:47,600
Yes.

1391
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:48,920
And you said, yes, we do.

1392
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:49,340
Yes.

1393
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,040
So, do we have an excess of demand?

1394
01:47:52,060 --> 01:47:52,200
It's throughput.

1395
01:47:52,740 --> 01:47:53,380
It's throughput.

1396
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:54,740
Sorry to interrupt.

1397
01:47:54,940 --> 01:47:55,360
No, no, no.

1398
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:55,760
That's okay.

1399
01:47:56,380 --> 01:47:57,760
That's alphabet habit of that.

1400
01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:59,420
So, I'm good.

1401
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:03,360
So I want to understand this.

1402
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:05,560
We have enough beds for the needs.

1403
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:14,640
Do we have a need for more beds if we had, or sounds like we're right in the middle?

1404
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:18,940
The RAND study concluded that we are good on the number of beds that we have.

1405
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:25,580
So at the time what we did identify was we had a shortage of subacute beds

1406
01:48:25,580 --> 01:48:27,760
and that's still something we continue to work on.

1407
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,560
Basically that's a facility for after the hospitalization

1408
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,620
when an individual needs to step down, but they're not ready for independent living.

1409
01:48:34,620 --> 01:48:40,120
We didn't have enough of those subacute beds available, and so we've been working on investing

1410
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:44,920
a great deal in increasing the number of subacute beds we have.

1411
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:50,320
So the whole goal for a healthy acute system is throughput.

1412
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:57,280
So you want enough people being discharged, moving on to their next phase of treatment

1413
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,240
in order to accommodate the incoming admissions.

1414
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:06,800
And then when those that are exiting, are we finding the next level available?

1415
01:49:07,660 --> 01:49:08,960
So there's the capacity through.

1416
01:49:09,380 --> 01:49:13,980
And I imagine the challenges that are being faced is then housing.

1417
01:49:14,740 --> 01:49:16,120
Housing is definitely a challenge.

1418
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:22,000
So what happens in these situations, they go through the process, they do the step

1419
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:28,740
down, they're now in a position where they are stabilized, then what?

1420
01:49:28,740 --> 01:49:34,380
each person has each person gets their own discharge plan so based on each

1421
01:49:34,380 --> 01:49:38,520
individual's unique circumstances the hospital and the treatment team are

1422
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:43,080
working to identify what's what's needed in order for this individual once

1423
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:46,960
they discharge sometimes that's working well a lot of times that's working

1424
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,960
very closely with an outpatient behavioral health provider especially for

1425
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:54,400
those who may already be linked to our services and may already know the

1426
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,500
individual already understand you know what their circumstances are and what

1427
01:49:57,500 --> 01:50:03,760
sort of living environment they need. But yes, we do have a very significant shortage of affordable

1428
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:10,640
housing which does make it, there's a little bit of a slowdown on that discharge process while we

1429
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:17,100
help identify a good residential place for them to get discharged to.

1430
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:22,100
And can you help me understand what happens when you don't, what happens when you have a delay

1431
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:23,760
in finding available housing.

1432
01:50:24,760 --> 01:50:26,160
Are they back in the streets?

1433
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:31,040
Do you wait until they get into some form of housing

1434
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,080
or rental or temporary?

1435
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:35,560
What happens to them at that point?

1436
01:50:35,780 --> 01:50:38,020
It really becomes a unique circumstance

1437
01:50:38,020 --> 01:50:41,320
to each individual, depending on what circumstances.

1438
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:44,420
Do they have family that are able to help support them?

1439
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:48,000
Are they linked with one of our outpatient providers

1440
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:51,020
that can help them try to find board and care placement?

1441
01:50:51,020 --> 01:50:55,360
It's really a really unique circumstance based on each individual.

1442
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,980
Do we have statistics on how many of these individuals end up back on the streets?

1443
01:51:03,730 --> 01:51:04,910
Oh, I don't think we do.

1444
01:51:05,390 --> 01:51:11,890
If Ms. Katari, if I can get that information, that would be interesting.

1445
01:51:12,130 --> 01:51:13,230
Yeah, we'll look into that.

1446
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:18,790
It might be one of those data points that we'll need to wait until we have the she.

1447
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:22,410
The she will really bring in HMIS data.

1448
01:51:22,410 --> 01:51:27,090
data, it will bring in data from the behavioral health systems, and sometimes that tracking

1449
01:51:27,090 --> 01:51:29,890
of that individual across time, but we will look into that for sure.

1450
01:51:30,450 --> 01:51:35,730
One of the things I also just wanted to mention is you've probably heard us talk about recuperative

1451
01:51:35,730 --> 01:51:40,930
care, and recuperative care is that step down that happens when someone leaves the

1452
01:51:40,930 --> 01:51:45,650
hospital, whether it's psychiatric or medical hospitalization or leaves an institution.

1453
01:51:46,750 --> 01:51:55,050
That recuperative care allows us to put someone in a bed for an extended period of time while we're looking for more permanent housing for them.

1454
01:51:55,170 --> 01:51:59,350
And there is capacity being built around recuperative care right now.

1455
01:51:59,530 --> 01:52:02,930
So that is one sort of interim point that we're promoting.

1456
01:52:03,370 --> 01:52:05,810
Is that similar to like the Turning Point program?

1457
01:52:06,070 --> 01:52:06,670
Would that be one?

1458
01:52:07,370 --> 01:52:08,470
No, I don't think.

1459
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:09,510
Okay, that's right.

1460
01:52:09,530 --> 01:52:13,270
NHHA National Housing and then WellSpace also runs a recuperative care.

1461
01:52:13,310 --> 01:52:15,370
So we have a couple of recuperative care providers.

1462
01:52:15,370 --> 01:52:19,650
Oh yeah, very good, that's very good, all right, thank you.

1463
01:52:21,370 --> 01:52:27,110
These are some statistics to show you how often 5150s happen in Sacramento County.

1464
01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:29,790
This is over the course of a year, 2025.

1465
01:52:30,330 --> 01:52:40,390
We had nearly 11,051 50s that were written and then out of those 5,600 of them turned

1466
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:43,230
into a longer stay beyond the 5150.

1467
01:52:44,010 --> 01:52:51,690
And then this is some quick data on a number of temporary conservatorships that were filed

1468
01:52:51,690 --> 01:53:00,050
in 2025, as well as when I had to submit this PowerPoint presentation, looked at data from

1469
01:53:00,050 --> 01:53:04,170
our public guardians office, which tracks our conservatorships.

1470
01:53:04,290 --> 01:53:11,670
And we had 262 people on conservatorship in June, 2026, with 18 Murphy conservatorships

1471
01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:16,910
in June, 2026, so that gives you a little bit of data on that picture.

1472
01:53:19,650 --> 01:53:27,670
And then finally, I wanted to end on most of the people that are being served on all

1473
01:53:27,670 --> 01:53:32,210
these different pathways, care court, assisted outpatient treatment, mental health diversion,

1474
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:38,490
a lot of the folks that are being served through our existing full service partnership

1475
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:43,910
So these are some data on outcomes from our full service partnership programs.

1476
01:53:44,990 --> 01:53:53,490
We have demonstrated that they're able to reduce the number of homeless clients by 66%,

1477
01:53:54,070 --> 01:54:00,290
number of homeless days by 80%, number of clients with an ER visit, 86%, and so forth.

1478
01:54:00,390 --> 01:54:03,810
So we're hitting on homelessness, number of ER visits.

1479
01:54:03,970 --> 01:54:07,190
We're hitting on reductions in psychiatric hospitalization,

1480
01:54:07,190 --> 01:54:09,970
and reductions in arrests and reductions in incarceration.

1481
01:54:11,550 --> 01:54:15,410
And then I'm gonna change up the order on this

1482
01:54:15,410 --> 01:54:16,030
just a little bit.

1483
01:54:16,430 --> 01:54:20,330
These are some coming soon sort of topics.

1484
01:54:21,230 --> 01:54:24,810
First of all, we've been working very diligently

1485
01:54:24,810 --> 01:54:28,470
in collaborating with the district attorney's

1486
01:54:28,470 --> 01:54:31,130
chronic offender program in order to develop

1487
01:54:31,130 --> 01:54:36,350
a new program that will be focused on peer onsite

1488
01:54:37,190 --> 01:54:45,210
peer supported sober living environments. And so we just executed that contract and we hope

1489
01:54:45,210 --> 01:54:49,870
to have that going up literally almost any day now as soon as monarchs ready to start

1490
01:54:49,870 --> 01:54:54,290
accepting those admissions and we have some referrals from the district attorney's office.

1491
01:54:54,650 --> 01:55:03,310
And then coming soon, you've already heard Siobhan talk about the Cal AIM jail linkages

1492
01:55:03,310 --> 01:55:09,390
program as well as we have our existing Prop 47 program working with the justice involved.

1493
01:55:09,670 --> 01:55:15,070
And this is just to highlight that these are also working very closely with justice-involved

1494
01:55:15,070 --> 01:55:15,670
individuals.

1495
01:55:16,270 --> 01:55:17,150
Just a really quick comment.

1496
01:55:17,530 --> 01:55:18,790
Siobhan, I just want to give you a shout out.

1497
01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:22,450
I was going to, I have it safe for the end, but I want to, I'll say it now, with the

1498
01:55:22,450 --> 01:55:26,550
DA core program and the conversations we had about, I guess I want to say about

1499
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:31,890
a year ago or maybe earlier, earlier this year, late last year, and getting that program

1500
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:39,410
going and just the emphasis on the positive impact that it has it came up

1501
01:55:39,410 --> 01:55:43,210
in one of the Orangeville I think it was Orangeville Crime Watch and so thank

1502
01:55:43,210 --> 01:55:48,070
you for working hard to get that program up and going. Supervisor Desmond. Thank

1503
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:52,170
you. I want to echo that as well. I want to bring that up and I and I

1504
01:55:52,170 --> 01:55:56,030
appreciate that. I know it's I think it was took a little while for us to get

1505
01:55:56,030 --> 01:55:59,310
that ironed out but I think it's we've had a really good result and

1506
01:55:59,310 --> 01:56:01,510
And ultimately, I hope it results in people

1507
01:56:01,510 --> 01:56:02,650
getting the help they need,

1508
01:56:03,290 --> 01:56:06,230
so we can show that that program is successful.

1509
01:56:06,850 --> 01:56:09,450
But in terms of the core program,

1510
01:56:09,930 --> 01:56:11,550
and like Prop 36, for instance,

1511
01:56:11,730 --> 01:56:14,870
those are essentially mental health diversion programs,

1512
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:15,230
correct?

1513
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:18,330
Yeah, I mean, they fall into kind of that bucket,

1514
01:56:18,430 --> 01:56:18,950
but they're not.

1515
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:20,630
So when we talk about capacity,

1516
01:56:20,730 --> 01:56:22,090
I wanna get back to this conversation.

1517
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:24,710
You know, the capacity was about inpatient,

1518
01:56:25,110 --> 01:56:27,170
behavioral health, acute, subacute.

1519
01:56:27,170 --> 01:56:33,490
Well, we're talking about, like, for CORE and Prop 36, that's housing with behavioral

1520
01:56:33,490 --> 01:56:34,250
health supports.

1521
01:56:34,450 --> 01:56:35,530
Those are two different things.

1522
01:56:35,730 --> 01:56:36,250
Those are two different things.

1523
01:56:36,250 --> 01:56:41,550
So we are definitely not even close to the capacity we need on permanent support of

1524
01:56:41,550 --> 01:56:44,110
housing and certainly shelter with the behavioral health support.

1525
01:56:44,210 --> 01:56:46,450
I want to make sure that's abundantly clear to the public.

1526
01:56:46,570 --> 01:56:51,830
But in terms of the acute subacute beds, that was the focus of the RAND study.

1527
01:56:52,010 --> 01:56:56,350
Now, in terms of the Prop 36, just so I'm clear.

1528
01:56:56,350 --> 01:57:02,370
can you remind me where we are with support from the legislature for Prop 36? There's not

1529
01:57:02,370 --> 01:57:05,990
much and has it even started going out the door from the state yet?

1530
01:57:06,210 --> 01:57:07,910
We have not received our first payment yet.

1531
01:57:07,930 --> 01:57:12,870
We have not received any payment yet, but that's still a huge issue for us in Sacramento

1532
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:17,930
County and all the counties to be able to maximize the benefits of that change in

1533
01:57:17,930 --> 01:57:18,450
state law.

1534
01:57:18,850 --> 01:57:19,010
Yeah.

1535
01:57:19,150 --> 01:57:19,830
Thank you.

1536
01:57:21,230 --> 01:57:25,990
And then coming soon we are beginning to develop some training and resource videos

1537
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:30,890
one of the next steps after this is we're looking forward to scheduling and

1538
01:57:30,890 --> 01:57:34,430
offering to schedule some presentations to our city partners throughout

1539
01:57:34,430 --> 01:57:39,330
Sacramento County and as a part of that we we've been developing some training

1540
01:57:39,330 --> 01:57:43,050
and resource videos and in a minute I'm going to show you a sample of one of

1541
01:57:43,050 --> 01:57:48,130
those videos. One of the other things I wanted to highlight too is you know

1542
01:57:48,130 --> 01:57:54,530
there's there is a lot of focus on on this court involvement in order to

1543
01:57:54,530 --> 01:57:56,590
to help encourage people to get into services.

1544
01:57:57,150 --> 01:57:59,890
At the same time, we're also working on developing

1545
01:58:00,670 --> 01:58:03,450
some other resources for our community members.

1546
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:06,230
So we have, working with NAMI,

1547
01:58:06,370 --> 01:58:10,230
and you'll probably be aware that a lot of the advocates,

1548
01:58:10,450 --> 01:58:13,270
the family advocates that are advocating

1549
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:15,490
for these court-involved type programming

1550
01:58:15,870 --> 01:58:17,410
are very involved with NAMI.

1551
01:58:17,790 --> 01:58:20,710
And so what we recently,

1552
01:58:21,130 --> 01:58:23,510
at the recommendation of one of my colleagues

1553
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:30,250
in another county. We are contracting for a training that's specifically focused on individuals

1554
01:58:31,190 --> 01:58:39,930
with... I said it 12 times before this, so I'd say it right. Anaxignogia, which is a lack of

1555
01:58:39,930 --> 01:58:47,090
awareness about one's own mental health challenges. That's a major concern. And there's an evidence

1556
01:58:47,090 --> 01:58:52,210
based practice that is now available that we are contracting to bring in and we've

1557
01:58:52,210 --> 01:58:58,630
extended invitations to our NAMI partners to participate in the trainings called LEAP,

1558
01:58:59,090 --> 01:59:04,950
which is an acronym for LISTEN, Empathize, Agree Partner that was created by Dr. Amador.

1559
01:59:05,810 --> 01:59:09,970
And so, we're excited to give that a try. This will be the first time we're trying

1560
01:59:09,970 --> 01:59:14,790
out this evidence-based practice, and happy to continue to expand that if everybody

1561
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:21,290
finds it as helpful. So, the last part I wanted to do is just be able to demonstrate

1562
01:59:21,290 --> 01:59:28,310
straight for you, give you a sample of one of the videos that we've developed for Care

1563
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:29,130
Court in particular.

1564
01:59:29,490 --> 01:59:36,210
This features one of our most amazing partners and advocates, Judge Larry Brown.

1565
01:59:37,250 --> 01:59:42,070
He is now the, he's a long time involved with mental health diversion and other collaborative

1566
01:59:42,070 --> 01:59:46,410
courts and is now the presiding judge of Sacramento County Superior Court.

1567
01:59:46,710 --> 01:59:49,130
And he agreed to help us develop some resources.

1568
01:59:49,130 --> 01:59:53,890
This is an example of one of the videos that we've created specifically for Carecourt.

1569
02:00:03,630 --> 02:00:11,910
Air court is an outpatient treatment program that is not a conservatorship. Initially, the law was limited

1570
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:18,870
to those suffering from schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. But as of January of 2026,

1571
02:00:19,490 --> 02:00:25,930
it also now includes those suffering from bipolar one with psychotic features. The

1572
02:00:25,930 --> 02:00:33,570
The goal is to target persons in the community who are suffering from mental illness who

1573
02:00:33,570 --> 02:00:34,710
need help.

1574
02:00:36,150 --> 02:00:44,170
The petition seeking help may be filed not just by law enforcement or a first responder

1575
02:00:44,170 --> 02:00:47,890
or by a treatment professional but also by a family member.

1576
02:00:48,630 --> 02:00:54,550
And that petition goes directly to the court, directly to the judge.

1577
02:00:54,550 --> 02:01:01,390
that is a unique feature of the Care Court. On receiving the petition the judge

1578
02:01:01,390 --> 02:01:06,850
reviews the petition if it appears to meet the initial criteria the court

1579
02:01:06,850 --> 02:01:12,250
then orders or in our county requests behavioral health to go out and

1580
02:01:12,250 --> 02:01:17,670
investigate. This may include simply looking for the individual trying to

1581
02:01:17,670 --> 02:01:23,550
find them and then building some rapport some relationship with the

1582
02:01:23,550 --> 02:01:28,410
individual to see whether or not they might agree to start to accept mental

1583
02:01:28,410 --> 02:01:35,590
health services. A report comes back to the judge and if criteria is satisfied

1584
02:01:35,590 --> 02:01:42,190
the court then will order that the person qualifies for care court and then

1585
02:01:42,190 --> 02:01:49,290
the goal is to have them reach a care agreement where they buy into this is

1586
02:01:49,290 --> 02:01:52,290
the type of treatment you're going to receive this is the mental health

1587
02:01:52,290 --> 02:01:58,890
agency that will provide you medication that will link you up to housing, critically, housing.

1588
02:02:00,010 --> 02:02:06,370
Once they're in the care court, it's at least a year of successful participation. It could be

1589
02:02:06,370 --> 02:02:13,590
extended two years and then upon graduation, the petition gets dismissed. In the court,

1590
02:02:14,030 --> 02:02:19,070
the goal is for the entire team, whether lawyers or treatment professionals or the judge,

1591
02:02:19,070 --> 02:02:26,670
is to have the person fully get invested in their well-being, to take their

1592
02:02:26,670 --> 02:02:32,250
medication, to stay treatment compliant, to work on drug addiction or alcoholism,

1593
02:02:32,750 --> 02:02:38,050
so as to reduce the chances of going back into a hospital setting or back into

1594
02:02:38,050 --> 02:02:44,770
the county jail. And importantly, there is no authority for the judge in the

1595
02:02:44,770 --> 02:02:52,310
court to compel medication, nor is there authority to order a person to be hospitalized.

1596
02:02:53,370 --> 02:02:59,370
If it gets to the point where it appears that might be necessary, then we're talking

1597
02:02:59,370 --> 02:03:04,390
about SB 43, the LPS can hold route.

1598
02:03:06,840 --> 02:03:08,520
So that's just a sample.

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02:03:08,940 --> 02:03:14,360
The idea is to create resources with easy to understand education around what these

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02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:15,360
different options are.

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02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:21,420
So far we have four videos, we have Care Court Assisted Outpatient Treatment, SB 43 and Mental

1602
02:03:21,420 --> 02:03:22,160
Health Diversion.

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02:03:22,300 --> 02:03:27,100
Those four videos are on the Behavioral Health Services website, down at the bottom of the

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02:03:27,100 --> 02:03:28,560
webpage under our updates.

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02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:33,620
And we'll continue to add to those additional resources as they're developed.

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02:03:34,200 --> 02:03:35,240
That's the end of my presentation.

1607
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:36,000
Thank you.

1608
02:03:36,500 --> 02:03:37,200
Ms. Gautari.

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02:03:37,780 --> 02:03:38,520
Yes, thank you.

1610
02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:40,780
I just wanted to add one thing about the videos.

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02:03:40,900 --> 02:03:42,340
We're really excited about this.

1612
02:03:42,340 --> 02:03:47,100
Part of them will be externally facing videos, so they will be for the community to better

1613
02:03:47,100 --> 02:03:51,500
understand the programs and to better understand how to access that behavioral health crisis

1614
02:03:51,500 --> 02:03:52,420
continuum of care.

1615
02:03:52,860 --> 02:03:57,500
The other videos that we're working on is our internal facing videos, and that's really

1616
02:03:57,500 --> 02:04:03,240
for first responders, law enforcement, fire, so that they have a really easy tool, simple

1617
02:04:03,240 --> 02:04:07,420
to understand about what happens when they encounter folks in the field that might

1618
02:04:07,420 --> 02:04:08,720
need some support and help.

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02:04:08,720 --> 02:04:15,820
So we're working with our law enforcement partners, and we'll work with the cities to deploy these training materials as they're developed

1620
02:04:16,520 --> 02:04:19,140
Thank you. Mr. Villanueva. Thank you, Supervisor

1621
02:04:20,060 --> 02:04:25,840
Right. Mr. Quist mentioned that we are going to be sharing these training and videos with different elected bodies

1622
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:30,800
And we've had a couple of requests specifically from you chair about sharing those

1623
02:04:31,660 --> 02:04:37,080
Timelines and how we're going to be going about that so we'll be sure to share that schedule with you as we move that forward

1624
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:39,860
All right, well, thank you.

1625
02:04:40,020 --> 02:04:41,400
Are there any requests to speak on this item?

1626
02:04:41,700 --> 02:04:43,900
We have no in-person request to speak.

1627
02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:48,920
And anyone online that would like to comment on Item 26, the Court Involved Pathways to

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02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:54,160
Behavioral Health Treatment Presentation, please raise your virtual hand now for Item

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02:04:54,160 --> 02:04:54,620
26.

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02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:58,880
And we have no online request to speak.

1631
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:00,040
All right, next item, please.

1632
02:05:00,980 --> 02:05:04,800
The next item on our agenda is Number 27.

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02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:10,760
that is the Child Protective Systems Oversight Committee 2025 annual report.

1634
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:22,710
Good morning.

1635
02:05:23,110 --> 02:05:24,250
You have the wrong one, I'm sorry.

1636
02:05:25,290 --> 02:05:26,010
That's the response.

1637
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:28,530
Oh, this is the response.

1638
02:05:29,050 --> 02:05:32,630
All right, we will get the other presentation up.

1639
02:05:33,310 --> 02:05:35,670
We have two regarding Child Protective Systems.

1640
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:39,130
One is the response and one is the Oversight Committee report.

1641
02:05:39,370 --> 02:05:41,530
We're looking for that right now on

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02:05:52,020 --> 02:05:52,700
27.

1643
02:06:06,170 --> 02:06:06,630
There we go.

1644
02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:07,430
Good

1645
02:06:11,110 --> 02:06:11,410
morning.

1646
02:06:11,770 --> 02:06:13,210
Good morning. Thank you.

1647
02:06:13,730 --> 02:06:15,510
I'm Dr. Maynard Johnston.

1648
02:06:15,610 --> 02:06:17,210
I'm a retired pediatrician.

1649
02:06:17,330 --> 02:06:19,530
I've been on the oversight committee

1650
02:06:19,530 --> 02:06:21,890
almost since inception

1651
02:06:21,890 --> 02:06:23,530
almost 30 years ago.

1652
02:06:24,130 --> 02:06:25,530
And I've been chair of the committee

1653
02:06:26,160 --> 02:06:27,590
for the last several years.

1654
02:06:29,110 --> 02:06:29,970
Thank you

1655
02:06:29,970 --> 02:06:30,970
for this opportunity

1656
02:06:30,970 --> 02:06:34,190
to share the CPS Oversight

1657
02:06:34,190 --> 02:06:35,390
Committee report.

1658
02:06:35,670 --> 02:06:37,270
And the CPS I want to emphasize

1659
02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:44,830
stands for Child Protective Systems, not just Child Protective Services. To

1660
02:06:44,830 --> 02:06:51,570
present our work, our key findings and recommendations from the year 2025. We

1661
02:06:51,570 --> 02:06:55,770
hope you'll find this information helpful as you deliberate the county's

1662
02:06:55,770 --> 02:07:01,370
policies and investments related to the safety and well-being of our

1663
02:07:01,370 --> 02:07:05,430
children and families. We have a collective responsibility to protect

1664
02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:12,790
them. The last time we presented to you was in August of 2025. So, I'm going to...

1665
02:07:14,970 --> 02:07:19,850
Good morning. Chris Orr with the Sacramento County District Attorney's Office. I currently

1666
02:07:19,850 --> 02:07:25,610
oversee our Sex and Family Violence Bureau, which includes our child assault unit as well as

1667
02:07:25,610 --> 02:07:30,030
domestic violence unit. I've been a member of the CPS oversight committee actually for

1668
02:07:30,730 --> 02:07:36,430
about 12 years. So, long institutional history also, and I'll just sit as part of the Children's

1669
02:07:36,430 --> 02:07:36,810
coalition.

1670
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:43,300
So the oversight committee originated in 1996 from the need for

1671
02:07:43,300 --> 02:07:48,160
child protective systems oversight stemming from one severe case of child

1672
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:54,340
abuse and neglect that was investigated by the critical care investigation

1673
02:07:54,340 --> 02:08:02,700
committee or the CCIC. The final report issued by the CCIC recommended that an

1674
02:08:02,700 --> 02:08:09,720
An ongoing committee provide oversight of all child protective systems, not just the Child

1675
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:11,920
Protective Services Division.

1676
02:08:12,300 --> 02:08:17,220
As a result, and by resolution, the Board of Supervisors established a Child Protective

1677
02:08:17,220 --> 02:08:24,180
Systems Oversight Committee, and in 2011 placed it under the umbrella of the Sacramento

1678
02:08:24,180 --> 02:08:25,720
County Children's Coalition.

1679
02:08:25,720 --> 02:08:26,800
The

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02:08:37,900 --> 02:08:46,760
focus of the report was the committee's activities from January 1, 2025 until December

1681
02:08:46,760 --> 02:08:48,660
31, 2025.

1682
02:08:49,820 --> 02:08:56,220
The oversight committee of assessed progress and overall mission and goals, analyzed findings

1683
02:08:56,220 --> 02:09:02,020
and made recommendations based on continued representation of the electronic suspected

1684
02:09:02,020 --> 02:09:09,500
child abuse report system or e-scars, critical incident subcommittee, completed case reviews

1685
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:15,320
and analysis, and completed the hospital and medical provider engagement project.

1686
02:09:22,300 --> 02:09:27,300
One way to assess how well the child protection systems are working is to look at data related

1687
02:09:27,300 --> 02:09:29,340
to child welfare reports and investigations.

1688
02:09:29,940 --> 02:09:36,620
In this report, this table shows the rate of unduplicated children per 1,000 for the

1689
02:09:36,620 --> 02:09:41,360
the subject of at least one CPS report, whether it was open for investigation or not.

1690
02:09:42,180 --> 02:09:46,980
The data reflects the community's understanding of child safety as reports are made primarily

1691
02:09:46,980 --> 02:09:51,000
by mandated reporters, but also could come from family members, neighbors, or other

1692
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:51,800
people in the community.

1693
02:09:52,460 --> 02:09:58,000
The decreased numbers starting in 2020 are likely related to COVID-19 pandemic that resulted

1694
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:01,680
in many in-person activities being moved to virtual platforms.

1695
02:10:01,680 --> 02:10:06,660
The examples of this includes schools changing from in person to online class as well as

1696
02:10:06,660 --> 02:10:10,760
medical and mental health providers using telehealth services to see patients.

1697
02:10:11,620 --> 02:10:18,360
There's been an upward trend in reports from 2021 to 2025 as children returned in person

1698
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:20,480
health and instruction.

1699
02:10:21,500 --> 02:10:26,100
Sacramento County's rates of children with allegations still exceeds the state's

1700
02:10:26,100 --> 02:10:27,320
rates each year.

1701
02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:34,400
year. The oversight committee intends in future years to look at substantiation rates, and

1702
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:39,400
although the number of Sacramento County reports has decreased, the Sacramento child population

1703
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:44,600
has actually also decreased, resulting in the rates of reports continue to increase.

1704
02:10:45,560 --> 02:10:50,260
The substantiation rates are decreasing, and we're going to try to report back with more

1705
02:10:50,260 --> 02:10:54,760
detail through that on future years so that you can have some more understanding

1706
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:58,200
of how many children are actually suffering from abuse.

1707
02:10:58,540 --> 02:10:59,860
One moment. Supervisor Serna.

1708
02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:09,760
Thank you Chair. Before you leave the slide, I wanted to hear maybe just briefly about not

1709
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:18,940
just the fact that for the last seven years and probably beyond that, we've been above

1710
02:11:18,940 --> 02:11:21,100
of the state rate.

1711
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:24,820
But a little bit more distressing I would say

1712
02:11:24,820 --> 02:11:29,180
is the fact since 2022 we're going in opposite directions.

1713
02:11:30,420 --> 02:11:32,860
So is there any, do you have a subsequent slide

1714
02:11:32,860 --> 02:11:34,960
or do you have a subsequent comment

1715
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:40,620
about that trend present itself starting four years ago?

1716
02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:43,540
Yeah, I would say that in my view

1717
02:11:44,060 --> 02:11:46,200
the fact that people are making phone calls in

1718
02:11:46,200 --> 02:11:47,400
is maybe not a bad thing.

1719
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:52,220
that means our community is taking the village to if they're concerned about

1720
02:11:52,220 --> 02:11:57,860
children and their safety we are having people report and that's why when we're

1721
02:11:57,860 --> 02:12:02,820
talking unfortunately with your the chiefs of staff from your each of your

1722
02:12:02,820 --> 02:12:06,220
districts we realize that we really need to focus a little bit more on

1723
02:12:06,220 --> 02:12:09,520
substantiation just because someone's making a phone call that means

1724
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:14,340
someone's concerned what are the actual levels of where there actually is

1725
02:12:14,340 --> 02:12:17,000
abuse. And we have some of that data in there. The

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02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:19,480
substantiation rates are going down. There are more full

1727
02:12:19,480 --> 02:12:24,100
report for you. And so while our rates of report are going

1728
02:12:24,100 --> 02:12:27,460
up, the substantiation is going down. It's kind of a mixed

1729
02:12:27,460 --> 02:12:30,280
bag. What balance do we want to have as a community for

1730
02:12:30,820 --> 02:12:33,780
when people feel children are in danger? Should they feel

1731
02:12:33,780 --> 02:12:37,160
comfortable calling? And then can CPS and law enforcement

1732
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:42,260
use appropriate tools to decide which ones warrant some sort

1733
02:12:42,260 --> 02:12:46,000
of action, which ones can be handled in different sorts of ways.

1734
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:57,630
Sacramento's partnership between law enforcement, CPS, and District Attorney's Office has continued

1735
02:12:57,630 --> 02:12:58,190
to grow.

1736
02:12:59,330 --> 02:13:05,330
Only four years ago, the main communication system used between agencies about suspected

1737
02:13:05,330 --> 02:13:10,350
child abuse was through interoffice mail of suspected child abuse reports.

1738
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:15,270
CPS would send the forms to law enforcement, and law enforcement would attempt to sort

1739
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:21,990
through thousands with little ability to meaningfully track cases and determine patterns or provide

1740
02:13:21,990 --> 02:13:22,390
data.

1741
02:13:23,650 --> 02:13:28,790
Now after three years of the state grant implement the E-SCAR system, we have a system that has

1742
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:30,790
improved responsiveness to child abuse.

1743
02:13:31,650 --> 02:13:34,150
We are just, again, very proud of this.

1744
02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:40,910
We're one of only five communities, counties that actually has this sort of program

1745
02:13:40,910 --> 02:13:45,970
time, besides LA, and it has really transformed what we're doing.

1746
02:13:46,710 --> 02:13:50,030
That grant ended in March of 2025.

1747
02:13:52,030 --> 02:13:57,710
The grant in the e-scar system allows us to actually have data, and the data that e-scars

1748
02:13:57,710 --> 02:13:59,570
is providing is daunting.

1749
02:14:00,330 --> 02:14:06,290
As you can see here, there are nearly 12,000 reports of suspected child abuse that are

1750
02:14:06,290 --> 02:14:07,710
cross-reported to law enforcement.

1751
02:14:07,710 --> 02:14:12,530
So, CPS received a lot more than that, but these are ones that are required to be cross-reported.

1752
02:14:13,510 --> 02:14:18,550
These numbers highlight the difficulties that our child protective systems have in ensuring

1753
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:21,150
justice and protection for children.

1754
02:14:22,090 --> 02:14:31,910
The sheriff alone receives nearly 6,000 cases that they have determined involve child abuse

1755
02:14:31,910 --> 02:14:32,770
crime suspected.

1756
02:14:34,390 --> 02:14:42,930
And nearly 1,700 of those are ones in which, pardon me, 6,000 overall and 1,700 are a child

1757
02:14:42,930 --> 02:14:43,830
of these crimes suspected.

1758
02:14:44,850 --> 02:14:53,570
The sheriff has only eight detectives to work on the nearly 450 cases that they actually

1759
02:14:53,570 --> 02:14:56,670
assign to a detective of that nearly 1,700.

1760
02:14:57,610 --> 02:14:58,950
The number of detected

1761
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,440
Detectives is less than what it was 15 years ago when they had 12 detectives. We have more

1762
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:14,440
data, we have more information, we have more cases coming in, but the resources and ability

1763
02:15:14,440 --> 02:15:20,040
to investigate them are going down. The DA's office also feels these effects with only

1764
02:15:20,040 --> 02:15:25,840
eight DA's assigned to our child assault unit. Case loads less than a decade ago were around

1765
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:33,780
20 cases per DA and are now nearly 40 per DA in just the child assault unit. So we have

1766
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:43,360
approximately eight DAs that have 320 cases. Our office receives only about 450 cases for

1767
02:15:43,360 --> 02:15:53,940
filing of that nearly 12,000 or 2,697 were child abuse is suspected. And the cases are

1768
02:15:53,940 --> 02:16:01,340
much more complicated than they were a decade ago. Detectives and DAs now have to go through

1769
02:16:01,340 --> 02:16:06,580
phones, computers, cameras, and many cases involving child abuse involve expert witnesses.

1770
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:14,120
A case that 15 years ago could have been investigated by interviewing four or five witnesses now

1771
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:21,380
may have those same witnesses plus terabytes of data or more than 30,000 pages of phone

1772
02:16:21,380 --> 02:16:27,480
dumps alone and media to go through. Cases that can take months, two years to investigate

1773
02:16:28,080 --> 02:16:33,280
and much longer to get through the prosecution. The District Attorney's Office received

1774
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:39,580
about 450-500 child abuse cases per year. While the majority, these are felonies, there

1775
02:16:39,580 --> 02:16:46,960
are other ones that are assigned to our misdemeanor unit. They're the misdemeanor child abuse

1776
02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:52,760
cases. And as the board is aware, budget decisions involving misdemeanor cases may continue impact

1777
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:57,020
how the county as a whole views its role in that protective system.

1778
02:16:58,340 --> 02:17:03,000
This data should, when we look at the data, I will say there's some things when you look

1779
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:08,320
at this data that probably cause you some questions, which is when you look at, there

1780
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:15,620
was 3,871 cases where the sheriff reported no investigation was conducted, and you compare

1781
02:17:15,620 --> 02:17:22,400
that to other jurisdictions for the sheriffs is about half in the city police it's about

1782
02:17:22,400 --> 02:17:30,420
a third Elk Grove similar to half we have since this data was compiled it caused questions

1783
02:17:30,420 --> 02:17:36,640
to me so the child abuse supervisor and myself met with each of the jurisdictions and we're

1784
02:17:36,640 --> 02:17:42,060
going to have this data a little more standardized when that category of no investigation conducted

1785
02:17:42,060 --> 02:17:47,340
it is checked. It actually doesn't mean no one looked at it. There are some cases that are

1786
02:17:47,340 --> 02:17:53,080
referred to law enforcement that may need CPS involvement but doesn't actually need a law

1787
02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:57,400
enforcement involvement and so they're administratively cleared by sergeant or somebody

1788
02:17:58,060 --> 02:18:05,620
with a strong understanding of which cases warrant a criminal investigation. So next year

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02:18:05,620 --> 02:18:09,380
that column will hopefully look a little bit different and we'll have asterix explaining

1790
02:18:09,380 --> 02:18:15,220
some of the differences and why you might have variations. By next year we hope that

1791
02:18:15,220 --> 02:18:19,460
each of the agencies will be using a standardized definition of whether an investigation was

1792
02:18:19,460 --> 02:18:22,080
or was not conducted. One moment. Supervisor Serna.

1793
02:18:22,500 --> 02:18:27,800
Thank you. I appreciate you pointing that out. So will that mean that there will be

1794
02:18:27,800 --> 02:18:37,300
a common instrument that each law enforcement agency will use to determine when a criminal

1795
02:18:37,300 --> 02:18:42,360
investigation needs to commence and and then kind of procedurally how it's done?

1796
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:48,800
Yes or no? I guess the common instrument is just the definition of we think

1797
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:53,300
they're doing pretty well on the child to be suspected. They pull up a report and

1798
02:18:53,300 --> 02:18:57,920
this report we're we have access to is the DA's office so we can check their

1799
02:18:57,920 --> 02:19:03,900
work and their evaluation of whether a crime is suspected and whether

1800
02:19:03,900 --> 02:19:06,380
or someone should go out and make contact with that child

1801
02:19:06,380 --> 02:19:10,260
and do an investigation, seems to be fairly accurate.

1802
02:19:11,100 --> 02:19:12,960
It's the no investigation conduct.

1803
02:19:13,120 --> 02:19:14,240
Does that mean nobody looked at it?

1804
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:17,640
And what we're doing and what we have done by meeting with them

1805
02:19:17,640 --> 02:19:21,860
is we're establishing a standard definition

1806
02:19:21,860 --> 02:19:24,620
that each person will apply when they're

1807
02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:25,820
saying no investigation conducted.

1808
02:19:26,220 --> 02:19:28,480
It seems deceptive that we're not looking at these cases.

1809
02:19:28,620 --> 02:19:29,200
Nothing's happening.

1810
02:19:29,620 --> 02:19:32,020
When in reality, each of the agencies

1811
02:19:32,020 --> 02:19:38,460
has informed us that they do look at the case and here's what they do with it and Elk Grove

1812
02:19:38,460 --> 02:19:42,880
had a little bit different policy than the sheriff did and so we asked all the sergeants

1813
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:51,140
can we sit down and formulate what each of these terms mean. These terms were brought

1814
02:19:51,140 --> 02:19:56,760
to us from Los Angeles County's East Gar system because we inherited this template

1815
02:19:56,760 --> 02:20:02,480
really from Los Angeles County and so one of the growing pains of a new system is

1816
02:20:02,480 --> 02:20:06,840
figuring out are we all using the same measure when we're determining whether

1817
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:10,600
something should or shouldn't be investigated and that's one of our

1818
02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:16,160
goals is to get standardized. I appreciate the response and I'm sure

1819
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:22,180
you probably thought of this as well but I think another helpful data point if

1820
02:20:22,180 --> 02:20:30,200
for not making efforts to acquire that information but would be helpful for decision-makers and

1821
02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:38,380
understanding the efficacy of early interventions when it comes to suspected child abuse would

1822
02:20:38,380 --> 02:20:48,780
be to understand if and when there is child abuse suspected and if and when no investigation

1823
02:20:48,780 --> 02:20:57,200
investigation is conducted, I would want to know later, was there another incident or

1824
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:05,080
instance where child abuse was suspected for that same child and an investigation was determined

1825
02:21:05,080 --> 02:21:17,680
to be the next logical step. In other words, having some understanding about, you know,

1826
02:21:18,500 --> 02:21:25,140
places where we could have taken another step. When I say we, I mean the collective we, law

1827
02:21:25,140 --> 02:21:33,060
enforcement of the county, CPS, should have done something different or could have done

1828
02:21:33,060 --> 02:21:38,060
something different so that that second third fourth incident never the great

1829
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:42,660
part about this tool and I know that almost all of you are here when first

1830
02:21:42,660 --> 02:21:47,520
promoted why should we get this tool but I know that chair Rodriguez was not

1831
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:51,640
here but before this literally there are stacks of paper thousands of pages

1832
02:21:51,640 --> 02:21:57,100
without any way to sort through it this program has one given us accountability

1833
02:21:57,100 --> 02:22:02,360
we can now see whether cases are being investigated or not and hold each

1834
02:22:02,360 --> 02:22:07,140
of our law enforcement agencies responsibly say, how come this scar, I can see whether

1835
02:22:07,140 --> 02:22:11,320
they've opened the scar, whether they've looked at it, and how timely they open it. And we

1836
02:22:11,320 --> 02:22:16,520
can talk to them about what's going on with it. But more important than even that is that

1837
02:22:17,060 --> 02:22:23,800
we now can see history. And so when a detective says, this is kind of low level, I'm not

1838
02:22:23,800 --> 02:22:28,000
sure this is something we should necessarily send something out, in the past they couldn't

1839
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,340
see all the past scores, scars.

1840
02:22:30,060 --> 02:22:32,420
And now, at literally the click of a finger,

1841
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:36,600
they can pull up the past individuals that have reported.

1842
02:22:36,780 --> 02:22:40,060
Or maybe there's a teacher and a medical provider

1843
02:22:40,060 --> 02:22:42,320
and a neighbor all saying something's going on.

1844
02:22:42,660 --> 02:22:46,380
It now shows up in a cross-referensible program

1845
02:22:46,380 --> 02:22:49,480
so that the detective or law enforcement can say,

1846
02:22:50,120 --> 02:22:53,600
we probably need to prioritize this one a little bit more

1847
02:22:54,180 --> 02:22:56,160
and make sure that there's contact being made.

1848
02:22:56,160 --> 02:23:00,760
And so it's given us that ability to do it by child,

1849
02:23:01,400 --> 02:23:03,120
it's been able to do it by siblings,

1850
02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:05,720
and it's able to do it by perpetrator,

1851
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:10,220
or potential perpetrator, so that we can then say,

1852
02:23:10,340 --> 02:23:12,020
oh, this person has this reoccurring history.

1853
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:14,740
The community is speaking out.

1854
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:17,240
There's telling CPS and law enforcement

1855
02:23:17,240 --> 02:23:19,900
that there's concerns we need to pay attention to.

1856
02:23:20,040 --> 02:23:22,660
And I think it's improving outcomes.

1857
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:25,780
When this program first came on, though,

1858
02:23:25,780 --> 02:23:29,300
there was only one sergeant when I was kind of pitched this to them saying,

1859
02:23:29,540 --> 02:23:33,100
when you say it improves outcomes, doesn't that mean there's going to be a whole lot more work?

1860
02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:39,820
And the reality is it's a whole lot more work and a whole lot more cases that we are having to

1861
02:23:40,380 --> 02:23:45,040
find to investigate and and hold people responsible in the justice system.

1862
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:51,420
And so it's what we should be doing as a society, but it also comes with a cost.

1863
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:55,760
There's

1864
02:23:55,760 --> 02:24:04,500
And forgive me here, but when we're seeing the term child abuse used in this annual report,

1865
02:24:04,820 --> 02:24:13,260
remind us, is that both violence against the child suspected and sexual?

1866
02:24:13,800 --> 02:24:17,180
Violence and sexual abuse and endangerment.

1867
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:22,440
It would not include things that CPS might investigate, and I'll let CPS maybe talk

1868
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:24,720
about it a little bit more, like emotional abuse.

1869
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:30,900
abuse. Neglect, it could include neglect depending on the level of neglect. So, you know, leaving

1870
02:24:30,900 --> 02:24:35,980
a toddler at home, you know, when there's guns in the home or something, that could

1871
02:24:35,980 --> 02:24:43,240
maybe qualify. But emotional abuse is the one that I think is something that CPS does

1872
02:24:43,240 --> 02:24:49,620
not send over to law enforcement. And when you're seeing numbers like 3,871, part of

1873
02:24:49,620 --> 02:24:53,800
that is some of those don't get filtered out and it's not anyone's fault. It's

1874
02:24:53,800 --> 02:24:57,600
better to probably be over-inclusive and a detective or a sergeant looks at and goes,

1875
02:24:57,680 --> 02:25:01,060
OK, this doesn't really fit for something we'll actually be able to charge a crime.

1876
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:07,560
It may be bad for the child, and CPS will hopefully administratively be able to do

1877
02:25:07,560 --> 02:25:11,600
something in their world, but it may not be something that can rise to a level of

1878
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:12,060
a crime.

1879
02:25:12,200 --> 02:25:16,960
And so when sergeants are clearing cases and saying no investigation conduct is because

1880
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:21,480
on its face they can tell this is one of the things that would not qualify

1881
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:22,280
by as a crime?

1882
02:25:23,980 --> 02:25:30,900
I would hope that in terms of this kind of spirit of getting all the law enforcement

1883
02:25:30,900 --> 02:25:36,240
agencies on the, literally on the same page in terms of, you know, the questions that

1884
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:46,200
are asked, the protocols that are deployed to conclude investigative pursuits, that there

1885
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:57,160
There is some education too about somewhat recent legislative changes to statute of limitations

1886
02:25:58,020 --> 02:26:07,440
because to your earlier point about the overall global cost to doing it right, there should

1887
02:26:07,440 --> 02:26:15,440
be an understanding about the duration of statute of limitations now for certain types

1888
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:22,720
of abuse where the county is going to be held accountable. It could be held accountable

1889
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:27,940
decades from now. And so when we're talking about costs, it's not just the immediate cost.

1890
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:29,380
It is a long-term cost.

1891
02:26:30,260 --> 02:26:33,560
When this program first came out, I used to describe that the sergeants are literally

1892
02:26:33,560 --> 02:26:36,860
sitting on a powder keg. Because which case should they sign? How do they sort through

1893
02:26:36,860 --> 02:26:40,060
them when they were just receiving piles of paper? Because how do you know what

1894
02:26:40,060 --> 02:26:44,880
to assign? Which one should be a priority? And every one of those could be something

1895
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:50,860
really bad and how do we say a child's case was not investigated and there were

1896
02:26:50,860 --> 02:26:54,080
some that I brought to you all in my first presenter this that were not

1897
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:58,920
investigated that you know that that had outcomes that were not great or missed

1898
02:26:59,860 --> 02:27:07,680
and so this is is providing that tool for law enforcement and allowing them

1899
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:13,040
to do a better job it's it's but it's a lot more work for them but it is a

1900
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:24,240
really good system. Our grant really did move us along with this. Our e-scars

1901
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:29,380
findings are consistent with the data. Sacramento must prioritize child abuse

1902
02:27:29,380 --> 02:27:35,660
and holding those responsible that commit child abuse. More

1903
02:27:35,660 --> 02:27:42,480
investigators are needed to investigate and protect children. Only

1904
02:27:42,480 --> 02:27:47,840
five or so cases are actually submitted of the 2,700 that involve suspected child abuse.

1905
02:27:50,780 --> 02:27:56,620
In 2026, the oversight committee will continue to review the numbers and push law enforcement to do

1906
02:27:56,620 --> 02:27:56,980
more.

1907
02:27:59,720 --> 02:28:07,400
And you can see that the scars need to be investigated in a timely fashion. And

1908
02:28:07,880 --> 02:28:11,740
one of the things that this program does allow us to do is to call in law enforcement and

1909
02:28:11,740 --> 02:28:14,260
say, hey, what's going on with these individual scars.

1910
02:28:15,240 --> 02:28:17,820
There's literally a dashboard that the supervisor of the

1911
02:28:17,820 --> 02:28:20,020
unit and myself can review.

1912
02:28:20,540 --> 02:28:22,100
And really, it's also spurred conversation.

1913
02:28:22,860 --> 02:28:26,280
The best way to actually get change we've found is to have

1914
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:28,420
that conversation and say, what are you doing and how can

1915
02:28:28,420 --> 02:28:28,940
you do it better.

1916
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:34,580
Sacramento is a leader in the state having this program.

1917
02:28:35,580 --> 02:28:40,520
And the recommendations from the CPS Oversight Committee is

1918
02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:47,940
Now that the grant has ended in March of 2025, and the board did not allocate funding for

1919
02:28:47,940 --> 02:28:50,920
e-scars, that there should be funding for e-scars.

1920
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:55,200
The DA's office has continued to fund this program, rather than go back in time.

1921
02:28:56,040 --> 02:29:00,240
The program is a very affordable program.

1922
02:29:00,320 --> 02:29:03,960
When I first presented it to this board, and I told you we're going to have a $600,000

1923
02:29:03,960 --> 02:29:08,600
grant for three years, and for around $200,000, we could maybe get this thing rolling.

1924
02:29:09,660 --> 02:29:13,880
many of you said that that was such a bargain it's now less than a hundred

1925
02:29:13,880 --> 02:29:17,560
thousand and sometimes way less than a hundred thousand if we don't use some of

1926
02:29:17,560 --> 02:29:23,740
the add-ons to fund and keep this program. The DA's office has continued to fund it

1927
02:29:23,740 --> 02:29:26,660
even though there has not been a funding for it.

1928
02:29:29,480 --> 02:29:32,360
E-scars continues to

1929
02:29:32,360 --> 02:29:34,700
increase the ability of law enforcement to determine cases that need

1930
02:29:34,700 --> 02:29:39,460
investigation and therefore their increasing numbers need for child

1931
02:29:39,460 --> 02:29:45,420
abuse investigators. And we're making this recommendation to this board, but also to

1932
02:29:45,420 --> 02:29:51,160
all of the other municipalities that they should increase their levels of detectives

1933
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:57,220
so that caseloads do not exceed 12 to 14 cases per investigating officer. And what

1934
02:29:57,220 --> 02:29:59,140
What the sergeants do, honestly, is they hold back.

1935
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,900
They know they can't give much more than 12 to 14 at a time and so cases just take longer

1936
02:30:05,900 --> 02:30:10,580
to be investigated because they're held in a queue rather than overwhelm that detective.

1937
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:19,780
The final recommendation and finding that we have has actually changed since we've originally

1938
02:30:19,780 --> 02:30:20,260
written it.

1939
02:30:22,300 --> 02:30:26,360
The Sacramento Police Department was first to kind of take the challenge

1940
02:30:26,360 --> 02:30:32,680
which was rather than investigating these at their leisure or in whatever time they could do it.

1941
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:41,100
They moved the e-scars receiving station to their dispatch and they began dispatching officers in

1942
02:30:41,100 --> 02:30:46,760
real time the moment that the scar landed at the police department. And it was a test project.

1943
02:30:46,900 --> 02:30:51,660
How is this going to work? Is this going to be good or bad? And what they found was that

1944
02:30:52,280 --> 02:30:55,700
they could clear cases quicker. They could have contact. They could document things.

1945
02:30:55,700 --> 02:31:00,980
Sometimes they're finding it wasn't child abuse, it's actually domestic violence that

1946
02:31:01,800 --> 02:31:02,620
was going on.

1947
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:10,540
And they found that while they may receive, you know, somewhere around five to six cases

1948
02:31:10,540 --> 02:31:18,620
a day, or 150 or 200 a month, they can clear them with officers at the lower level and

1949
02:31:18,620 --> 02:31:22,300
then escalate the ones that need to be escalated to detectives for a better use

1950
02:31:22,300 --> 02:31:27,040
of resources and really importantly making sure that when a person in the community reaches

1951
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:34,060
out and says this child may be being abused, that someone is making eyes and having contact

1952
02:31:34,060 --> 02:31:36,620
with that child in determining whether it's found it or unfounded.

1953
02:31:37,540 --> 02:31:41,660
The Sheriff's Department in this last year decided to take that challenge also.

1954
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:49,300
And they have now done something similar, putting it with a sergeant who is connected

1955
02:31:49,300 --> 02:31:54,640
into the comm center, reviewing in real time, training their officers on what to do, and

1956
02:31:54,640 --> 02:32:00,860
sending out officers in real time. This was the model that LA was doing. I wasn't sure

1957
02:32:00,860 --> 02:32:04,340
how quickly it was going to be able to be adopted here, but it's now kind of become

1958
02:32:04,340 --> 02:32:09,120
the standard. And in preparing this report, when we had the other agencies come back,

1959
02:32:09,240 --> 02:32:14,200
I said, what can you guys do? And each of the other agencies, Elk Grove, Citrus

1960
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:19,500
sites called M. Folsom have all committed to determining if and how they can implement

1961
02:32:19,500 --> 02:32:23,240
a similar standard. It was a little bit easier in the smaller agencies anyway. They were

1962
02:32:23,240 --> 02:32:26,400
kind of doing it just because they're so small and you'll see their numbers are a

1963
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:31,200
lot smaller of the number of scars that they receive. But they're now going to implement

1964
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:36,100
it or find ways to implement it a real-time response, which I think is what the legislature

1965
02:32:36,100 --> 02:32:40,000
originally intended and what we should be doing as a community.

1966
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:45,240
Do you have any other questions before I hand off the, the question.

1967
02:32:45,240 --> 02:32:45,460
No questions.

1968
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:46,160
All right.

1969
02:32:49,320 --> 02:32:55,080
Well, the C SCARS thing is one of the things I'm most proud of that our committee has done

1970
02:32:55,080 --> 02:33:01,640
over the years and almost all the work is due to one person.

1971
02:33:01,980 --> 02:33:10,260
That's Chris and also the sergeant at the Sheriff's Department, John Soudal.

1972
02:33:10,260 --> 02:33:18,140
So those two gentlemen are responsible for implementing this in Sacramento County and

1973
02:33:18,140 --> 02:33:23,280
making this county something that the rest of the state has to look up to.

1974
02:33:23,680 --> 02:33:29,840
So I'm really proud of what our committee has done along this line.

1975
02:33:32,700 --> 02:33:34,440
Oops, I'll go back.

1976
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:40,520
A little bit about the critical incident subcommittee history.

1977
02:33:42,070 --> 02:33:53,220
It's made up of community members and personal and that have personal and professional experience

1978
02:33:53,220 --> 02:33:55,180
and child services and protection.

1979
02:33:56,000 --> 02:34:03,480
We met regularly in the year 2025, the subcommittee partners with CPS by participating in its

1980
02:34:03,480 --> 02:34:12,740
Quality Improvement Committee or QIC to review critical incidents of CPS-involved children.

1981
02:34:13,860 --> 02:34:20,160
The only cases reviewed are cases of critical incidents which include deaths or near deaths,

1982
02:34:20,940 --> 02:34:22,540
not general case review.

1983
02:34:23,540 --> 02:34:33,460
The goal of these reviews is to determine current systemic issues within CPS and the

1984
02:34:33,460 --> 02:34:36,840
that result in work that is not thoughtful and thorough.

1985
02:34:44,320 --> 02:34:48,720
This year's report summarizes 12 full case reviews,

1986
02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:52,700
two fatalities, and 10 near fatalities.

1987
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:56,580
Case reviews found that domestic violence

1988
02:34:56,940 --> 02:35:01,600
and a history of mental health challenges continue to be present in

1989
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:05,000
families involved in fatal or near fatal

1990
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:15,620
incidents is 67% of the cases. Additionally risk factors of a history of a parent or a

1991
02:35:15,620 --> 02:35:23,740
caregiver being involved with child welfare, having a criminal history and substance use

1992
02:35:23,740 --> 02:35:31,040
were also present. They play a large part in accidental and negative outcomes for

1993
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:36,400
children in our community. For this reason, the CI subcommittee encourages the Board of

1994
02:35:36,400 --> 02:35:42,960
Supervisors to pay continued attention to ensuring that resources are available to families

1995
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:49,820
in our community for domestic violence, mental health, and other supportive services to

1996
02:35:49,820 --> 02:35:54,140
break this generational cycle of abuse and or neglect.

1997
02:35:55,320 --> 02:36:00,740
this is not a new finding this has been year after year where these are the

1998
02:36:00,740 --> 02:36:06,120
high-risk factors and whether a family or is possibly going to abuse their

1999
02:36:06,120 --> 02:36:12,820
child so these are just reiterating what has been known but has to be but we

2000
02:36:12,820 --> 02:36:25,230
continue to find this to be the case now are we what we identified but the

2001
02:36:25,230 --> 02:36:31,670
The subcommittee identified is that social worker and supervisor critical thinking errors

2002
02:36:31,670 --> 02:36:37,670
as well as non-child welfare challenges which resulted in misopportunities.

2003
02:36:37,850 --> 02:36:47,130
Some examples include gathering all appropriate information and ongoing need to improve contact

2004
02:36:47,130 --> 02:36:51,870
with relative collaterals and improvement in father engagement.

2005
02:36:51,870 --> 02:37:02,670
A recommendation includes CPS should continue to develop and implement strategies to strengthen

2006
02:37:02,670 --> 02:37:08,550
the supervision process and continue addressing critical thinking errors across the agency.

2007
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:16,230
CPS should strengthen all protocols and their implementation that requires relevant case

2008
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:22,490
collaterals be consulted and that all information related to the child, family and environment

2009
02:37:23,040 --> 02:37:26,290
are gathered and considered before a case is closed.

2010
02:37:35,350 --> 02:37:46,360
Key findings of our committee, subcommittee, are the documentation reviewed indicates that

2011
02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:52,620
more resources and referrals should be given to parents and caregivers before and

2012
02:37:52,620 --> 02:37:54,360
during CPS investigations.

2013
02:37:55,380 --> 02:38:02,280
Once these resources are provided, social workers should be required to document and

2014
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:06,400
follow up on these resources and referrals to ensure engagement.

2015
02:38:06,740 --> 02:38:14,700
This indicates that improved communication is needed between and within systems, agencies

2016
02:38:14,700 --> 02:38:15,820
and organizations.

2017
02:38:15,820 --> 02:38:24,020
And our recommendation are that CPS and community-based organizations should work together to develop

2018
02:38:24,200 --> 02:38:30,940
a feedback loop to ensure CPS is notified when parents decline services following investigation

2019
02:38:31,400 --> 02:38:33,480
or case closures.

2020
02:38:38,360 --> 02:38:49,350
Other key findings are that a deficit noted throughout our critical incident reviews

2021
02:38:49,350 --> 02:38:55,730
was the need for more and better safety education and assessments including

2022
02:38:55,730 --> 02:39:02,030
the creation of detailed safety plans ordering assessments giving education

2023
02:39:02,030 --> 02:39:07,310
materials and making referrals for all involved parties including resource

2024
02:39:07,310 --> 02:39:13,850
parents. All safety education and assessments need to be documented as

2025
02:39:13,850 --> 02:39:17,750
well and our recommendation is that Sacramento County should develop

2026
02:39:17,750 --> 02:39:24,450
education and tools for parents and caregivers regarding topics identified in

2027
02:39:24,450 --> 02:39:30,430
critical incident review. Topics should include but not limited to car seat law

2028
02:39:30,430 --> 02:39:39,910
and safety, hot cars, heat stroke, water safety, gun safety, poison control,

2029
02:39:39,910 --> 02:39:49,030
substance use and teen dating violence. Another finding was that improved

2030
02:39:49,030 --> 02:39:57,810
reporting by mandate reporters is needed, including reporting in a timely manner

2031
02:39:57,810 --> 02:40:03,850
and having the person who observed suspected the abuse neglect to be the

2032
02:40:03,850 --> 02:40:07,730
a person who reports it as opposed to a supervisor

2033
02:40:07,730 --> 02:40:10,390
or a non-witness designee.

2034
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:14,430
And so our recommendation is that a mandated reporter

2035
02:40:14,430 --> 02:40:19,230
training should be expanded throughout Sacramento County

2036
02:40:19,230 --> 02:40:23,190
with a focus on medical hospital staff, preschool,

2037
02:40:25,070 --> 02:40:29,050
to 12th grade education and daycare facilities

2038
02:40:29,050 --> 02:40:32,810
to ensure a timely and appropriate referrals are made.

2039
02:40:36,660 --> 02:40:40,460
Then this was our project that started in 2024.

2040
02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:44,400
The oversight committee is charged

2041
02:40:44,400 --> 02:40:47,040
with community oversight of our county's

2042
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:48,960
child protective systems.

2043
02:40:49,320 --> 02:40:52,280
The oversight committee also takes on special research

2044
02:40:52,860 --> 02:40:55,880
projects to identify systemic gaps

2045
02:40:55,880 --> 02:41:00,060
and facilitate discussions among the stakeholders

2046
02:41:00,060 --> 02:41:02,140
with the goal of improving the processes

2047
02:41:02,580 --> 02:41:04,540
that impact child safety.

2048
02:41:04,540 --> 02:41:11,140
Beginning in 2024, the Oversight Committee engaged in a multi-year investigation of how

2049
02:41:11,140 --> 02:41:17,560
our local medical community supports and interacts with the child protective system in Sacramento.

2050
02:41:18,780 --> 02:41:22,920
The project was an effort to determine if there were communication and collaborative

2051
02:41:23,660 --> 02:41:28,180
gaps between the medical community, CPS, and law enforcement.

2052
02:41:28,180 --> 02:41:35,860
Initially, the focus was on our main hospital systems with thanks to Sutter, Kaiser, Shriners,

2053
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:41,520
and UC Davis for making presentations and providing data and input to the committee.

2054
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:47,660
However, the project expanded to include other members of the healthcare system, including

2055
02:41:47,660 --> 02:41:56,660
local clinics, who also made presentations and provided data and input to the committee.

2056
02:41:56,660 --> 02:42:06,080
Noticeably absent in our hospital systems, it was mercy digital dignity in their health

2057
02:42:06,080 --> 02:42:06,600
systems.

2058
02:42:06,880 --> 02:42:13,700
We were unable to get them to participate in our interviews.

2059
02:42:20,940 --> 02:42:26,940
After receiving seven presentations, the Oversight Committee developed preliminary recommendations.

2060
02:42:26,940 --> 02:42:29,840
all previously identified hospitals and clinics

2061
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:32,820
were invited back to review and discuss

2062
02:42:32,820 --> 02:42:34,440
the preliminary recommendations.

2063
02:42:35,020 --> 02:42:38,040
The findings and recommendations are as follows.

2064
02:42:38,780 --> 02:42:41,440
Three hospital systems use EPIC.

2065
02:42:41,900 --> 02:42:44,460
That's an electronic medical record

2066
02:42:44,460 --> 02:42:46,860
and can exchange information,

2067
02:42:47,380 --> 02:42:53,200
and at least one clinic also has a compatible system.

2068
02:42:53,740 --> 02:42:55,780
In the short term, our recommendation is

2069
02:42:55,780 --> 02:42:58,220
to have a liaison available to communicate

2070
02:42:58,220 --> 02:43:01,360
between medical providers in the long-term

2071
02:43:02,940 --> 02:43:04,740
improve interoperability.

2072
02:43:06,350 --> 02:43:09,020
Another finding was that child protective systems

2073
02:43:09,020 --> 02:43:15,620
request information that align with the protections offered

2074
02:43:15,620 --> 02:43:16,400
by HIPAA.

2075
02:43:17,080 --> 02:43:18,900
Medical groups and health systems

2076
02:43:18,900 --> 02:43:22,020
should evaluate their policies and ensure

2077
02:43:22,020 --> 02:43:28,700
that they complied with HIPAA and privacy laws while allowing the maximum amount of

2078
02:43:28,700 --> 02:43:34,240
information under the law to be shared with law enforcement and child protective services.

2079
02:43:41,460 --> 02:43:47,260
Another finding was that when both law enforcement and child protective services are investigating,

2080
02:43:47,780 --> 02:43:53,620
there is a need to identify a coordinated response practice for law enforcement and

2081
02:43:53,620 --> 02:43:55,800
child protective services.

2082
02:43:55,800 --> 02:44:03,480
Our recommendations include law enforcement and child protective services should respond

2083
02:44:03,480 --> 02:44:11,120
at the same time whenever possible and communicate each of their own determinations.

2084
02:44:11,620 --> 02:44:21,300
Members of the suspected child abuse neglect or scan team should recommit to scan team

2085
02:44:21,300 --> 02:44:26,060
participation and review team practices for efficiency.

2086
02:44:34,310 --> 02:44:38,630
Participating hospitals and clinics have already voiced support for these recommendations.

2087
02:44:40,930 --> 02:44:48,250
And the key findings again here are the hospital's social workers and nurses are making suspected

2088
02:44:48,250 --> 02:44:54,970
child abuse reports, scars on behalf of others who observe and suspect child abuse

2089
02:44:54,970 --> 02:44:55,570
and neglect.

2090
02:44:55,570 --> 02:44:57,670
And our recommendation is all.

2091
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,340
All medical providers that are mandated child abuse reporters should follow reporting practices

2092
02:45:07,340 --> 02:45:15,540
consistent with the law. Another key finding was once, one identified practice that has been

2093
02:45:15,540 --> 02:45:21,220
working is to identify a liaison within the hospital or clinic to coordinate communication

2094
02:45:21,530 --> 02:45:27,960
with law enforcement, child protective systems, and services after the initial report has

2095
02:45:27,960 --> 02:45:32,860
been made, and our recommendation is that the same liaison identified within the hospital

2096
02:45:32,860 --> 02:45:39,320
clinic to coordinate communication with law enforcement and child protective services should

2097
02:45:39,320 --> 02:45:43,140
also serve as a medical to medical liaison.

2098
02:45:44,440 --> 02:45:48,140
Some have begun implementing these recommendations.

2099
02:45:48,440 --> 02:45:55,640
For example, well-spaced health will be identifying a liaison within their clinics to coordinate

2100
02:45:55,640 --> 02:46:00,780
communication with law enforcement and child protective systems. So, Chris.

2101
02:46:04,580 --> 02:46:09,740
And before I talk about the oversight committee work plan, I will say that the hospital engagement

2102
02:46:09,740 --> 02:46:13,420
project was actually Dr. Johnson's idea, came up with this idea back around 2018,

2103
02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:20,620
wanted to make sure there's better communication between hospitals and our medical providers with

2104
02:46:21,240 --> 02:46:26,080
law enforcement and CPS. And so, modeling it similar to what we did with e-scars,

2105
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:30,360
we brought in everyone in Eastcars had them tell us about the problem and in

2106
02:46:30,360 --> 02:46:33,820
this situation we did the same thing with the hospitals bringing every

2107
02:46:34,280 --> 02:46:38,420
hospital that would participate and asking them how do they feel they fit

2108
02:46:38,420 --> 02:46:43,660
into their child protective systems and what is their role and that really

2109
02:46:43,660 --> 02:46:47,640
required them to sit and think about what is their role and what can they do

2110
02:46:47,640 --> 02:46:51,420
and are they doing the most they can do. Some of them are here today I

2111
02:46:51,420 --> 02:46:57,660
I'd actually like to point out that we actually have Dr. Evans and the medical director for

2112
02:46:57,660 --> 02:47:03,180
the Bayer Center, Stacey Hellacher is here from Sutter, Dr. Evans at the time this project

2113
02:47:03,180 --> 02:47:08,820
was actually with Kaiser and Kaiser was one of the ones that had the liaison that seems

2114
02:47:08,820 --> 02:47:12,380
to be one of the best practices and we invited many of them to come here today.

2115
02:47:12,580 --> 02:47:17,020
I think many of you are probably watching online but it is really good to just have

2116
02:47:17,020 --> 02:47:22,340
a conversation with them and have them be thinking about their role in this community. Besides

2117
02:47:22,340 --> 02:47:29,460
just the bottom line or keeping the maximum on patient laws, what is it they can do to

2118
02:47:29,460 --> 02:47:34,680
be part of our protective systems? And so with the exception of the one hospital that

2119
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:36,600
did not show up despite repeated requests.

2120
02:47:37,220 --> 02:47:42,880
Yeah, I was going to stop you there and ask, what is the, what do we know about

2121
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:46,780
about Dignity's disinterest, apparent disinterest?

2122
02:47:48,400 --> 02:47:51,400
Well, I tried a couple of years ago,

2123
02:47:51,700 --> 02:47:54,960
and one it's hard to find anybody there that you can talk to.

2124
02:47:55,120 --> 02:47:58,020
That was one problem, but then we kept getting past,

2125
02:47:59,360 --> 02:48:02,180
constantly past, one person and then another,

2126
02:48:02,320 --> 02:48:06,100
and nobody could seem to make any kind of decision,

2127
02:48:06,320 --> 02:48:10,660
and then we had, we're afraid to say anything

2128
02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:14,980
or do anything because they just couldn't, they didn't feel they had the power to do

2129
02:48:14,980 --> 02:48:15,180
that.

2130
02:48:15,340 --> 02:48:22,160
Can I make a suggestion that David, you and I get on a phone call or set up a Zoom or

2131
02:48:22,160 --> 02:48:31,900
do something to maybe meet with your equivalent leadership at Dignity to stress that, A,

2132
02:48:32,220 --> 02:48:39,460
we've got our other health systems that are participating and, B, they're an integral

2133
02:48:39,460 --> 02:48:46,480
part of our four system, you know, atmosphere here in Sacramento County in

2134
02:48:46,480 --> 02:48:52,960
terms of health care. So I don't know, you know, I don't want to blame them for

2135
02:48:52,960 --> 02:48:55,520
anything because I don't even have enough, none of us have enough

2136
02:48:55,520 --> 02:48:59,160
information based on what you told us today about their reluctance or

2137
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:04,520
disinterest. So I just think we should probably take it to a different level.

2138
02:49:04,860 --> 02:49:07,740
We debated what to do with it honestly as a group because every other

2139
02:49:07,740 --> 02:49:12,740
provider. Shriners came and used to Davis came. They came back multiple times and we

2140
02:49:12,740 --> 02:49:18,200
wanted to highlight it to you because whether intentional or unintentional, we asked the

2141
02:49:18,200 --> 02:49:22,580
question of where do you feel you fit in child protective systems and they couldn't have

2142
02:49:22,580 --> 02:49:26,620
enough time to send someone there despite our coordinator.

2143
02:49:26,820 --> 02:49:30,740
Well, you mentioned earlier, you hope someone's watching. I hope Dignity's watching

2144
02:49:30,740 --> 02:49:38,540
because, you know, I don't, again, I don't, I don't want to just make a knee-jerk kind

2145
02:49:38,540 --> 02:49:43,180
of punitive statement against dignity, but it is what it is.

2146
02:49:43,280 --> 02:49:45,480
That's glaringly obvious that they're missing.

2147
02:49:46,660 --> 02:49:47,820
Lots of attempts were made.

2148
02:49:48,020 --> 02:49:54,740
We sent numerous emails, countless emails, and we sent, we made countless phone calls

2149
02:49:54,740 --> 02:49:55,940
over the last two years.

2150
02:49:56,220 --> 02:49:58,220
I mean, it's not just like a one-time thing.

2151
02:49:58,480 --> 02:49:58,620
Yeah.

2152
02:49:58,620 --> 02:50:05,240
And they also never, well I can't speak for the current SCAN committee, but all the time

2153
02:50:05,240 --> 02:50:08,260
I was on the SCAN committee, Mercy never was present.

2154
02:50:08,860 --> 02:50:14,640
So the thing about the other health systems, there's an identifiable person that you can

2155
02:50:14,640 --> 02:50:19,020
go to that everybody in the community knows I can go to this person.

2156
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:23,640
There's none such person that we know of at Mercy.

2157
02:50:23,640 --> 02:50:32,340
Well, I certainly will commit my time and energy, I would suggest that maybe work with

2158
02:50:32,340 --> 02:50:37,720
the county CEO's office to see what the best route of communication to kind of stress the

2159
02:50:37,720 --> 02:50:44,080
import of this is to dignity leadership and see if that can move the needle.

2160
02:50:44,660 --> 02:50:45,140
Thank you.

2161
02:50:45,640 --> 02:50:49,560
Supervisor, we'll meet with the committee members also to find out a little bit more

2162
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:52,860
on the details of what their communication was and then work with your office to

2163
02:50:52,860 --> 02:50:59,320
set something up. Before I leave the microphone here, I don't know if you're going to have

2164
02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:05,040
it on a subsequent slide or not, but I'm seeing a lot of overlap in terms of some of the recommendations

2165
02:51:05,960 --> 02:51:12,220
and where there's room for improvement, but I haven't heard Black Child Legacy yet. And

2166
02:51:12,220 --> 02:51:18,300
as you're probably well aware, one of the four leading causes of death that that whole

2167
02:51:18,300 --> 02:51:30,540
effort and as well as the RAACD effort is focused on is can homicides. So tell me if I'm missing

2168
02:51:30,540 --> 02:51:30,800
something.

2169
02:51:31,140 --> 02:51:35,160
I can probably talk a little bit about that. I think one of the things that I think has

2170
02:51:35,160 --> 02:51:42,420
made strides with this committee is that we are a committee that meets once a month

2171
02:51:42,420 --> 02:51:48,480
month and we have subcommittees that meet other times during the month and having presented

2172
02:51:48,480 --> 02:51:54,220
to you all multiple, multiple times, in many years I felt like we were just not having

2173
02:51:54,220 --> 02:51:55,340
a concrete message.

2174
02:51:55,880 --> 02:52:00,040
And I think one of the things that we have focused on for two or three years, we focused

2175
02:52:00,040 --> 02:52:04,100
on getting the e-scars program off the ground, investigating, providing data to you

2176
02:52:04,100 --> 02:52:07,940
that could actually provide that to you.

2177
02:52:09,100 --> 02:52:11,320
And then the hospital engagement.

2178
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:17,560
We wanted to have a hospital start thinking about what their role was and we dedicated almost every

2179
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:20,380
Meeting or every other meeting at least for two years

2180
02:52:20,920 --> 02:52:24,140
to doing you know two or three hours of

2181
02:52:24,140 --> 02:52:30,020
Communicating with hospitals and then trying to figure out what the problem was invite them back write up questions

2182
02:52:30,020 --> 02:52:35,540
Communicate with them and so this report may seem in the last couple reports

2183
02:52:35,540 --> 02:52:39,000
Hopefully seem a little more focused on a subject matter

2184
02:52:39,000 --> 02:52:45,460
And that's because I think our goal is to want to have more data, more depth.

2185
02:52:47,460 --> 02:52:51,880
The child abuse and neglect homicides are certainly an issue, and we've done that in

2186
02:52:51,880 --> 02:52:52,540
other reports.

2187
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:58,140
What I would say, I know that when Chair Rodriguez was there yesterday, one of the

2188
02:52:58,140 --> 02:53:04,340
things at our children's coalition, I asked, what is it the board would like information-wise?

2189
02:53:04,340 --> 02:53:09,980
We can do deeper dives into subjects that maybe it's harder for you guys to do.

2190
02:53:10,180 --> 02:53:15,140
And so if there are subject matters that you think are relevant and important for us to

2191
02:53:15,140 --> 02:53:20,500
do a deeper dive on, this committee I think has now shown some success in a few years

2192
02:53:20,500 --> 02:53:22,980
running now with doing those sort of deeper dives.

2193
02:53:23,360 --> 02:53:26,420
But it also does result in somewhat more narrow reports.

2194
02:53:27,140 --> 02:53:30,140
We are still doing critical instances.

2195
02:53:30,260 --> 02:53:31,340
We're still talking with CPS.

2196
02:53:31,940 --> 02:53:35,180
We're still involved with the welcome homes, all those sort of things.

2197
02:53:35,740 --> 02:53:41,360
But to have a deep dive, it really does take energy and a lot of more time.

2198
02:53:41,560 --> 02:53:41,840
No doubt.

2199
02:53:42,140 --> 02:53:48,180
All I'm trying to stress here is that there's a lot of great work that's being done with

2200
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:55,700
the results now that we can point to and interventions we can point to through the

2201
02:53:55,700 --> 02:53:58,960
effort of the BCLC initiative.

2202
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:07,640
And I think it's probably worth at least having some of the same interest in the same room

2203
02:54:08,190 --> 02:54:16,200
to find out what both efforts are doing and maybe where duplicate of work can be avoided

2204
02:54:16,200 --> 02:54:25,100
and perhaps reinforce what we know to be working in kind of both camps in terms of what your

2205
02:54:25,100 --> 02:54:31,300
charges, which is different than the Black Child Legacy Campaign, but it is similar in

2206
02:54:31,300 --> 02:54:38,720
the fact that there is a concerted now years-long effort to reduce can homicides, in addition

2207
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:47,680
to other types of disproportionate death in the African-American childhood population.

2208
02:54:47,860 --> 02:54:53,100
But I think it's now to a point and to your point about, you know, you've been

2209
02:54:53,100 --> 02:54:58,760
spending the last few years of e-scars and trying to get the data and apply the model

2210
02:54:58,760 --> 02:55:09,260
and do what the grant said to do, but I think having maybe the prospect of a cooperative relationship

2211
02:55:09,260 --> 02:55:13,660
with the Black Child Legacy Campaign, this seems like it's the time to do that if it's

2212
02:55:13,660 --> 02:55:14,240
not being done.

2213
02:55:14,440 --> 02:55:18,340
Yeah, and I think that echoes something that Chair Rodriguez said yesterday, which

2214
02:55:18,340 --> 02:55:22,640
like I think she suggested one thing she would really like is which programs are

2215
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:27,520
working which ones aren't and can you help us provide data that and and that's

2216
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:32,980
a big quest and I think as a group we're gonna have to figure out how how you

2217
02:55:32,980 --> 02:55:37,100
go about collecting that and and providing real data about success and

2218
02:55:37,100 --> 02:55:40,460
not success you guys can make good decisions with the limited funds you

2219
02:55:40,460 --> 02:55:46,660
have. Well just to comment we're well aware of the black child legacy we're

2220
02:55:46,660 --> 02:55:52,000
We're well aware of Birth and Beyond, we're well aware of other programs, and one of our

2221
02:55:52,000 --> 02:56:00,580
findings has been the underutilization of these programs in these cases that we have reviewed.

2222
02:56:01,320 --> 02:56:07,900
And so that's one of our findings is that they need to use the resources that are currently

2223
02:56:07,900 --> 02:56:14,080
available, make them available to the families and to the children, and be aware of them.

2224
02:56:14,080 --> 02:56:33,240
So that, we're aware of it, they need to be taken advantage of a lot more than they are currently so that's a push that we've always had and we're going to continue to do but we certainly would look into that more and what, okay.

2225
02:56:33,240 --> 02:56:33,340
Okay.

2226
02:56:33,680 --> 02:56:34,080
Thank you.

2227
02:56:34,080 --> 02:56:40,880
Our, not 2025 is the type of the top, our 2026 work plan will be to continue to partner

2228
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:47,600
with CPS Review case reports prepared by CPS regarding critical incidences and involving

2229
02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:52,680
incidents of CPS-involved children, receive regular updates from the CI subcommittee

2230
02:56:52,680 --> 02:56:58,480
twice each year with a summary of case reviews, continue to collaborate with Child Safety

2231
02:56:58,480 --> 02:57:02,500
First Sacramento Prevention Cabinet to implement their 10-year strategic plan to eliminate

2232
02:57:02,500 --> 02:57:09,260
child abuse and neglect deaths and critical injuries by 2030 and receive updates and presentations

2233
02:57:09,260 --> 02:57:13,080
from the Child Safety Forward Sacramento Prevention Cabinet and Family First Sacramento

2234
02:57:13,640 --> 02:57:18,240
as they pertain to design implementation of community pathways and the use of outcomes

2235
02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:21,100
using result-based accountability.

2236
02:57:21,800 --> 02:57:26,060
We're going to continue discussions with local hospitals and medical groups on how

2237
02:57:26,060 --> 02:57:31,200
to collaborate with law enforcement, CPS, and community partners and find out ways

2238
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:36,460
they can be strengthened. We're going to provide the board of supervisors updates and recommendations

2239
02:57:37,940 --> 02:57:48,580
made in the oversight committee's 2024 annual report. And we're going to host a forum. We found

2240
02:57:48,580 --> 02:57:54,680
that we actually have some hospitals do show up. So we are now going to host a forum for all

2241
02:57:54,680 --> 02:58:00,880
medical providers, hospital systems, legal departments to have the hospitals come and meet

2242
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:06,080
and tell how their legal representatives tell us why is they can't provide certain information

2243
02:58:06,080 --> 02:58:07,480
to CPS.

2244
02:58:07,820 --> 02:58:09,180
What are the legal restrictions?

2245
02:58:09,820 --> 02:58:11,960
Why is one hospital able to do it and the other isn't?

2246
02:58:12,420 --> 02:58:17,360
And then try to come up with a best practice that each hospital could say, okay, we're

2247
02:58:17,360 --> 02:58:23,260
going to have a clear understanding of our policies and disclose to the maximum that

2248
02:58:23,260 --> 02:58:26,420
we can under the law to help protect children in our community.

2249
02:58:26,420 --> 02:58:32,620
It's also an opportunity that if it's legislation that prevents it from happening where you change where you

2250
02:58:33,300 --> 02:58:40,500
Get an assembly member to lead the cause. This is a great cause to make the changes on the legislation part

2251
02:58:40,500 --> 02:58:47,460
So that hospitals are clear and they don't feel that HIPAA is keeping them from being able to share information with

2252
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:55,500
CPS or law enforcement. I think personally the law is fairly clear

2253
02:58:56,420 --> 02:58:59,880
And it's just people are afraid to do it.

2254
02:59:00,480 --> 02:59:02,900
They're afraid to draw blood or to get x-rays

2255
02:59:02,900 --> 02:59:04,740
without the parent's consent when they don't

2256
02:59:04,740 --> 02:59:05,860
need the parent's consent.

2257
02:59:05,960 --> 02:59:07,100
That's just one example.

2258
02:59:08,780 --> 02:59:12,420
School is to get buy-in by the families and not

2259
02:59:12,420 --> 02:59:15,540
do things behind their back and stuff, strengthen that bond

2260
02:59:15,540 --> 02:59:18,700
between physician and family, physician and patient.

2261
02:59:19,320 --> 02:59:22,900
But the laws are pretty clear on what physicians

2262
02:59:22,900 --> 02:59:24,620
and medical people can do.

2263
02:59:25,300 --> 02:59:37,080
Also the communication, the law is clear that hospitals are allowed to communicate information with law enforcement, with child protective services.

2264
02:59:38,060 --> 02:59:45,720
But it's often, they're afraid to do that because HIPAA is over their head and they just, they don't understand it.

2265
02:59:45,740 --> 02:59:51,520
And that's where our goal is to help them understand what currently is available and what they can do.

2266
02:59:52,400 --> 02:59:56,100
And then have them deploy that out to the line level folks so that everyone in the line

2267
02:59:56,100 --> 02:59:58,520
level can know where those lines actually are.

2268
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We're going to continue, we're going to investigate Sonoma County's high priority child team to

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identify best practices and report back those findings to the Sacramento County Suspected

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Child Abuse and Neglect Scan team. They have a specialized team that is deployed in major

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incidences that involves law enforcement and CPS and doctors in these kind of high-level

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cases and we don't know whether that's something that Sacramento should have or not. We're

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We're going to continue to meet and discuss progress made on the recommendations regarding

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e-scars and continue to improve that data collection, receive quarterly updates from

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CPS Quality Management and Administrative Services, QMAS, and receive regular presentations

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and this one actually has been changed because the Ombudsman is now gone.

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Due to the elimination of the Sacramento County DCFAS Omb's Bud Person Role, the last

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has been changed to the following. Receive regular presentations twice a year on child

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protective services, conflict resolution, including current updates, successes, challenges, and

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examples of case resolution.

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So before closing, we'd like to thank and acknowledge the people that contribute to

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the hospital medical provider engagement project. They include Dr. Michelle Evans, formerly

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of Kaiser Permanente, Dr. Angela Vickers formerly of Sutter Medical Center, Dr. Julia Magaña

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of the University of California Davis Medical Center, Dr. Kathleen Romanowski of Shriners

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Hospital, Dr. Jonathan Proteus and Christy Gonzalez of WellSpace, Dr. Tracy Hall, the

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Sacramento Native American Health Center, and Michelle Besse of Sacramento County Health

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Center and Circle Clinic.

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We would also like to thank and acknowledge additional presenters.

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We had Sarah Leatherby of the Special Assault Forensic Evaluation Center, SAFE Center, come,

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and we had Dr. Danny Morris of the Department of Child Family and Adult Services at DCFAS

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quality management and administrative services has come to us. Finally, we'd like to thank

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you and acknowledge the people that contributed to the development of our report. The oversight

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committee members who selflessly volunteered their time and expertise to gather information

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or write this report. Sacramento County Department of Child Family and Adult Services, DCFAS,

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especially DCFAS Director Shelby Boston,

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Sacramento County Child Protective Systems,

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especially Deputy Director of Child Protective Services,

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Michelle Lloyd, DCFAS Staff Person,

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Kerry Emery-Cottner, for her administrative

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and overall support of the Oversight Committee,

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County Council, including Deputy County Council Cori Bright for the help and support that

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she and others provide in our committee and the Child Abuse Prevention Council Sacramento,

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especially Chief Program Officer Camille Bailey and Director of Collaboration Impact Jasmine

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who is out there, support and help.

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We wouldn't have been able to get this report done in such a timely manner.

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Thank you again for the opportunity to share our work,

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our insights and our recommendations.

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We appreciate the county's continued investment in services and programs

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that specifically address child and family well-being.

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prevention and early intervention, which significantly and positively impacts child safety and the

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board's general interest in our community's children and their families.

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For those that are interested, this was a small section of our overall report.

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The report's 84 pages long, and it's got a lot of more information than we were able

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to present here today.

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And I would encourage everyone that has the opportunity to take advantage of reading that

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report.

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So that concludes our long presentation.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Mr. Orr.

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Thank you, Dr. Johnson.

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There are no questions or no supervisors in the queue.

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Are there any requests to speak on this item?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We have no request to speak in chamber.

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Anyone online who would like to address the supervisors on item 27, child protective

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The child protective systems oversight committee 2025 annual report now is the time to raise your virtual hand for item 27.

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We have no online speakers for this item.

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Okay. Well, thank you for the presentation. That was a lot of really good information.

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Next item, please.

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The next item on our agenda is number 28 the response to the child protective systems oversight committees 2025 annual report.

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good afternoon good afternoon chair and members of the board I'm Melissa Lloyd I

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am the deputy director overseeing the Child Protective Services Division of

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the Department of Child Family and Adult Services okay I

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wanted to thank you

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for the opportunity to present our response to the Child Protective

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Systems Oversight Committee's 2025 annual report and today I will

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highlight the actions CPS has taken and the work that remains ongoing to

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strengthen supervision, critical thinking, investigation quality, collaboration,

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safety education, and coordinated responses for children and families.

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I

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would like to acknowledge the oversight committee for its continued

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commitment to strengthening child safety and system improvement. I always want to

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thank our CPS employees for their dedication of their daily work and also want to give

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a nod to the multi-system collaboration of several partners in our community to support

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the positive outcomes. In

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regard to the concern around supervision

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oversight of our social workers, much of what I will talk about today has been information

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that I have shared previously, we continue to practice safety-organized practice and

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coaching, structured decision-making, which I have given definitions of in the past.

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We are increasing the support for field observations, consultation, and coaching opportunities.

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And we continue to hold case discussions in this last year.

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we also increased fidelity case reviews in our department, which has really been beneficial

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to supporting the ongoing work.

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We continue to use data monitoring with our systems that are available.

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And as was shared by the Oversight Committee, there were 12 critical incident case reviews

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that were completed in 2025.

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I think it's important to highlight that through May of 2026, we have also completed

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60 fidelity reviews, and to give a little bit of information about what those are, our

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team took information from the past six to eight years of information on previous case

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reviews.

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We created a tool that allows us now to do fidelity case reviews along the way and

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not just when there's a critical incident.

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So, we pull cases to do those reviews to essentially hold a continuous quality improvement

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lens on the work that we're doing.

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We also continue to have leadership reviews of high-risk cases.

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In regard to lessons learned through the case discussions, in the board letter, I outlined

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detail about the case discussions.

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This is a practice that continues to be a real promising practice within the CPS division

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where we bring teams of social workers, supervisors, and managers together to hold case discussions

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on those critical incidences.

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And through that, the focus is on learning, it's not on blaming, and this is an opportunity

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for our staff to understand the outcomes of decision making and also give their input.

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So, there are a lot of lessons learned from the overall case review practice.

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As far as aligning policy practice and training, we continue to invest in trainings overall

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that support critical thinking.

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They support consistent decision making.

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We do a variety of trainings around substance and child safety.

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We also address implicit bias.

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It is not a one-time training that we conduct on implicit bias and cultural awareness training,

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but that is an ongoing commitment that we hold to our training.

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And we just recently started engaging in reflective practice and supervision.

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And I'm really excited about that work coming up because it also addresses the trauma

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that our staff endure while doing the work.

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And so it's a very important part of ensuring workforce support while they are working with

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some of the most vulnerable kids and families in our county.

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We are improving case closure practices.

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We have updated many of our policies and procedures.

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We've also had an increase in holding what are called prevention, child and family team meetings.

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And that really helps during the investigation before a child may be removed from their home

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or when we are determining what type of next steps to take around helping the family find stability.

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We're doing a lot of upfront child and family team meetings, and that's where a variety

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of community partners, as well as the family and whomever the family chooses to have come

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to those meetings.

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It's where everyone comes together to kind of hold group decision-making.

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But the participants are also educated on the parameters of what CPS works within,

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and we are very, it's a transparent conversation

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around child safety and what needs to be done,

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what the family's capable of doing

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and where the department needs to step in further.

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As far as medical and mental health integration,

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we participate with our providers in the community,

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both the medical providers as well

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as our mental health providers.

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There's a lot of work that is conducted

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between our department and Department of Health Services but also with a lot of

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grassroots communities as well. Social workers are trained and coached on

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meaningful collateral contacts and this is something that we have very much

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given attention to so that a collateral contact has substance to it and there

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are some next steps made from those contacts with the providers or with

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individuals who are defined as a collateral. Many of those collateral contacts can be partners

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within the community, such as Birth and Beyond, such as individuals from the community incubator

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leads, such as our cultural brokers that we bring on to help families as they're navigating through

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their time with CPS.

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And then specific to how we provide information to the community that we serve, there are

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warm handoffs that occur.

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There's warm handoffs that occur at the hotline level.

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I know with the first slide that the oversight committee presented on in regard to the calls

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coming into the hotline and how those have gone up.

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It's also our understanding that we're having more families.

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You saw that trend line go up.

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We're having more families that are receiving calls.

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But it does not mean that those calls to the hotline

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are turning into investigations.

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We're averaging, in 2025, we average 58%

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of the calls to the hotline.

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We're evaluated out.

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And what is beneficial about what

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What happens at our hotline is that there's a warm hand line to an information and referral

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line that many of those families go through.

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Additionally, when we investigate families where there is no legal reason to take any

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additional action, we also provide families with information to various community providers.

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And help with that warm handoff.

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The challenge can be, and sometimes what might get misunderstood, is that if there's no legal

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reason for us to continue to remain involved, we provide the families with information on

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services and supports in the community, but they do have the option as to whether or

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not they want to engage with those agencies.

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And then in regard to supporting family safety education, while we are working with families,

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we are providing them safety education and resources during that investigation.

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And additionally, while we have open cases with families, there's ongoing education

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Thank you very much for joining us.

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We'll see you in a minute.

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It's definitely not a one-and-done. And on the slide are listed some of the topics that

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those can include, including safe sleep, poison prevention, firearm safety, substance use awareness.

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Timely and appropriate mandated reporting is essential to early identification of child

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03:15:25,300 --> 03:15:31,360
abuse and neglect. Mandated reporter training supports that, and the training is available

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in schools for medical providers, child care providers, and community organizations.

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CPS also collaborates with law enforcement through the electronic suspected child abuse

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report or eSCAR process, which you heard a lot about.

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And we are happy that the collaboration with our eSCAR's partners is helping to really

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support coordination and communication for the families we serve in our county.

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That concludes my presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Thank you for the informative information, Melissa.

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There's no one in the queue.

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Are there any requests to speak on this item?

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03:16:18,700 --> 03:16:21,660
We have no in-person request to speak on this item.

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Any person participating via Zoom, now is the time to raise your virtual hand to comment

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03:16:26,820 --> 03:16:34,100
on item 28 response to the child protective services systems oversight committees 2025 annual report

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and we have no request to speak online. That means you're going to get an excellent presentation.

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Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Next item please. Our final 10 o'clock a.m.

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item is number 29 amendment to employment contract for Sacramento County executive officer.

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Good afternoon, Joe Angelo, Director of Personnel Services.

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We ask for approval of an amendment to the employment contract to the Sacramento County

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Executive.

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Supervisor Sourna.

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Thank you, Chair.

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Thurna, public speakers on this matter.

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I'll move the item.

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I do need to double check online.

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If there's any member of the public online that would like to comment on the employment

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contract for Sacramento County Executive, that is number 29 on our agenda, please

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raise your virtual hand.

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And we have no request to speak on this item.

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Right.

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By motion to second.

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Please vote.

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Very good.

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That as it passes for zero with Supervisor Hume absent.

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All right.

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We will now adjourn the morning session and go to closed session.

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Thank you very much for watching.

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04:36:18,100 --> 04:36:23,100
We will now resume the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors meeting for Tuesday, August 11th.

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Will the clerk please call the roll to reestablish a quorum?

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Certainly. Supervisor Kennedy.

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Supervisor Desmond.

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Vice Chair Hume absent.

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Supervisor Serna.

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Here.

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And Chair Rodriguez.

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Here.

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We have a quorum.

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Okay.

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We are going to start the afternoon with item number nine from the consent calendar.

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Is that correct?

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Correct.

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item number nine approved calendar year 2027 group insurance renewals. Okay. Supervisor we use

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the morning to spend some time talking with folks and James Robbins from Department of

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Personal Services is here to provide a brief update and some changes to the language in the

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04:36:59,700 --> 04:37:05,240
board letter. Okay. Hi James. Hi. Good afternoon Supervisor James Robbins Department of Personal

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04:37:05,240 --> 04:37:09,520
Services. I just wanted to thank you for the extra time this morning to meet with our

2501
04:37:09,520 --> 04:37:14,960
carriers we were able to meet with both Sutter and Western Health Advantage and

2502
04:37:14,960 --> 04:37:19,160
had a very good discussion with them. We're able to hear their concerns and

2503
04:37:19,160 --> 04:37:24,340
subsequently we're able to follow back up with Kaiser as well and in that

2504
04:37:24,340 --> 04:37:29,520
discussion with Kaiser they have agreed to withdraw the

2505
04:37:29,520 --> 04:37:33,860
requirement for the act of open enrollment for this year and so with

2506
04:37:33,860 --> 04:37:38,140
that we were able to return to meet with both Sutter and Western Health

2507
04:37:38,140 --> 04:37:44,300
advantage and they were pleased with the outcome that we had come up with. So at this time DPS

2508
04:37:44,300 --> 04:37:50,480
would request that the board approve the item as presented with the modification that the

2509
04:37:50,480 --> 04:37:55,880
recommend action number three related to approving the active open enrollment be withdrawn

2510
04:37:56,540 --> 04:38:01,140
and approve the rates and the rest of the package as is. Okay and just real quick James.

2511
04:38:01,480 --> 04:38:06,640
So if somebody don't we have open enrollment every year? We do. At the end of the year.

2512
04:38:07,360 --> 04:38:11,600
generally in the fall in the fall okay in the fall and so that will continue as

2513
04:38:11,600 --> 04:38:16,120
normal when the time comes and employees can make changes at that time

2514
04:38:17,560 --> 04:38:23,680
the only question I have is at the time if somebody does not enroll in a health

2515
04:38:23,680 --> 04:38:30,120
plan will it default to one of those plans or what happens then if if an

2516
04:38:30,120 --> 04:38:34,000
individual is current if an active employee is currently enrolled in a

2517
04:38:34,000 --> 04:38:38,720
health plan and they failed to take action during this open enrollment because Kaiser

2518
04:38:38,720 --> 04:38:42,420
has agreed to withdraw the requirement for the active open enrollment, they will default

2519
04:38:42,420 --> 04:38:43,620
to the plan they're currently in.

2520
04:38:43,820 --> 04:38:44,520
Okay, perfect.

2521
04:38:44,720 --> 04:38:49,960
Because that was my concern was to ensure that employees understand that they had to

2522
04:38:49,960 --> 04:38:53,960
make a selection or they had to do something, and now as long as it defaults to what

2523
04:38:53,960 --> 04:38:58,780
they had before, that's all that I was really concerned about.

2524
04:38:58,900 --> 04:38:59,640
Supervisor Sarna.

2525
04:38:59,960 --> 04:39:00,460
Thank you.

2526
04:39:01,340 --> 04:39:01,820
Yes.

2527
04:39:01,820 --> 04:39:10,980
Yes, I want to first thank all the parties for taking the time to, I think, have a better

2528
04:39:10,980 --> 04:39:16,300
understanding of what was a remaining concern for some.

2529
04:39:17,040 --> 04:39:25,000
And I appreciate the fact that on my request, that time was taken to not just meet with

2530
04:39:25,000 --> 04:39:31,780
with Sotter, who had reached out to me and perhaps others on this board, rather late,

2531
04:39:32,100 --> 04:39:40,040
but nonetheless giving us something to consider, and then my understanding too is, well, Western

2532
04:39:40,040 --> 04:39:44,480
Health Advantage also was able to, I guess, have some representation in the meeting.

2533
04:39:45,280 --> 04:39:51,980
But I think this is a better outcome for everyone, and I also, I don't know if there's

2534
04:39:51,980 --> 04:39:57,980
There's anyone from Kaiser here, but I do appreciate the fact that they understand those sensitivities

2535
04:39:57,980 --> 04:40:05,800
and have agreed to drop their pursuit of the active open enrollment clause that is here

2536
04:40:05,800 --> 04:40:07,260
scratched out as number three.

2537
04:40:07,440 --> 04:40:11,660
So with that, Madam Clerk, I don't know if there's Mr. Clerk.

2538
04:40:12,240 --> 04:40:17,260
I don't know if we have anyone's time to speak, but Madam Chair, I would move the

2539
04:40:17,260 --> 04:40:19,200
item if there are no public speakers.

2540
04:40:19,580 --> 04:40:19,700
Okay.

2541
04:40:20,080 --> 04:40:21,080
We do have some requests to speak.

2542
04:40:21,080 --> 04:40:21,700
We do have some questions.

2543
04:40:21,700 --> 04:40:21,920
Okay.

2544
04:40:22,000 --> 04:40:23,240
Let's go to public comments.

2545
04:40:23,720 --> 04:40:24,220
All right.

2546
04:40:24,580 --> 04:40:25,300
Thank you, James.

2547
04:40:25,740 --> 04:40:26,000
Thank you.

2548
04:40:27,140 --> 04:40:33,920
So we do have some in-person comments to get through and anyone online who would like to

2549
04:40:33,920 --> 04:40:38,360
discuss item nine, the approved calendar year 2027 group insurance renewals.

2550
04:40:38,680 --> 04:40:40,700
Now is the time to raise your virtual hand.

2551
04:40:41,120 --> 04:40:42,880
First up in person is Donna.

2552
04:40:46,110 --> 04:40:49,630
Please approach the lectern and you'll have two minutes to address the supervisors.

2553
04:40:55,770 --> 04:40:56,590
Good afternoon, Donna.

2554
04:40:56,590 --> 04:41:01,750
Good afternoon. Thank you for your time today. We really appreciate this opportunity to revisit

2555
04:41:01,750 --> 04:41:10,090
this issue this morning. And basically what we wanted to say is that, you know, the conditions

2556
04:41:10,090 --> 04:41:16,750
that were set forth by Kaiser was really putting an unfair advantage between all the medical

2557
04:41:16,750 --> 04:41:22,010
carriers and that's something that we'd like to kind of address going forward. But

2558
04:41:22,010 --> 04:41:28,270
But what we need to acknowledge is that with such a significant swing from their proposed

2559
04:41:28,270 --> 04:41:33,750
renewal to the current state of renewal, it's a significant swing.

2560
04:41:34,030 --> 04:41:39,730
It benefits the members, but it will have lasting impact to contracts going forward.

2561
04:41:40,570 --> 04:41:48,130
So by removing this active open enrollment requirement and defaulting, that definitely

2562
04:41:48,130 --> 04:41:50,070
helps position us.

2563
04:41:50,070 --> 04:41:55,770
But what I just wanted to also say is that, you know, we've been a western health advantage,

2564
04:41:56,450 --> 04:42:01,030
has been a city partner since implementation of contract.

2565
04:42:02,050 --> 04:42:06,470
Our renal increases have been a single-digit steady over time.

2566
04:42:06,970 --> 04:42:08,130
We don't have big swings.

2567
04:42:08,450 --> 04:42:13,050
So it's really unfortunate to learn of this, this, you know, some of this information

2568
04:42:13,630 --> 04:42:14,830
came to light this morning.

2569
04:42:14,830 --> 04:42:23,210
So, we understand the nature to stay competitive, but what we would hope for next year is to

2570
04:42:23,210 --> 04:42:30,390
improve the renewal processes to be a little bit more transparent, and that's all I have

2571
04:42:30,390 --> 04:42:30,790
for today.

2572
04:42:31,190 --> 04:42:31,770
Thank you, Donna.

2573
04:42:32,190 --> 04:42:32,310
Thank you.

2574
04:42:32,370 --> 04:42:33,490
You know, I agree.

2575
04:42:33,690 --> 04:42:38,470
I think one of the during open enrollment, some of the challenges are when somebody

2576
04:42:38,470 --> 04:42:43,570
is moved from one plan to another, that is a life-altering event when people are

2577
04:42:43,570 --> 04:42:49,750
so tied to their physician or their doctors or their health plan or the structure of the

2578
04:42:49,750 --> 04:42:54,170
plan and so I'm glad that this discussion came about and that and you're right I think

2579
04:42:54,170 --> 04:42:58,730
going forward that's maybe a learned lesson for the county that we want to be proactive

2580
04:42:58,730 --> 04:43:04,370
and communicate this to all and get and get the information out to ensure that we're

2581
04:43:04,370 --> 04:43:07,970
not having some unintended consequence that is happening from decisions that are made

2582
04:43:07,970 --> 04:43:09,370
so thank you for your comment.

2583
04:43:09,510 --> 04:43:09,630
Thank you.

2584
04:43:10,070 --> 04:43:10,610
Have a good afternoon.

2585
04:43:10,890 --> 04:43:11,170
Thank you.

2586
04:43:11,170 --> 04:43:15,510
our next speaker is Pete please approach the lectern you have two minutes to

2587
04:43:15,510 --> 04:43:20,890
address the supervisors good afternoon Pete good afternoon thank you for having

2588
04:43:20,890 --> 04:43:25,350
me Sutter health plan Sutter health is proud to be part of the Sacramento

2589
04:43:25,350 --> 04:43:30,130
region and partner with Sacramento County and we wanted to thank you on behalf of

2590
04:43:30,130 --> 04:43:34,990
Sutter health plan who's been partnering with the county since 2014 we

2591
04:43:34,990 --> 04:43:38,990
appreciate Sylvester for listening and working with us earlier today you

2592
04:43:38,990 --> 04:43:43,970
You heard our concerns on the recommended action, the consequences adversely impacting the employee

2593
04:43:43,970 --> 04:43:46,030
population and address them adequately.

2594
04:43:46,990 --> 04:43:51,250
We look forward to continuing to work with the County of Sacramento and to a transparent

2595
04:43:51,250 --> 04:43:55,030
process in the future to the benefit of all the County of Sacramento employees.

2596
04:43:55,750 --> 04:43:56,010
Thank you.

2597
04:43:56,350 --> 04:43:56,930
Thank you, Pete.

2598
04:43:59,940 --> 04:44:05,420
Any speaker online that would like to address the supervisors on item number nine, approved

2599
04:44:05,420 --> 04:44:07,960
calendar year 2027 group insurance renewals.

2600
04:44:08,040 --> 04:44:09,520
Now is the time to raise your virtual hand.

2601
04:44:09,520 --> 04:44:13,040
And we have no online speakers.

2602
04:44:14,940 --> 04:44:16,240
Is this one here?

2603
04:44:16,460 --> 04:44:17,120
Denise and Ted?

2604
04:44:17,340 --> 04:44:19,000
Are they speaking on number nine?

2605
04:44:19,280 --> 04:44:20,580
Oh, we had more people pop up.

2606
04:44:22,300 --> 04:44:23,320
Denise, from the chamber.

2607
04:44:23,660 --> 04:44:24,080
We came up.

2608
04:44:25,420 --> 04:44:25,800
Hi, Denise.

2609
04:44:26,260 --> 04:44:26,560
Hi.

2610
04:44:26,800 --> 04:44:27,200
Good afternoon.

2611
04:44:27,400 --> 04:44:29,020
Denise Rodriguez with Kaiser Permanente.

2612
04:44:29,800 --> 04:44:34,240
Kaiser has been proud to care for Sacramento County employees and their families for more

2613
04:44:34,240 --> 04:44:35,020
than 60 years.

2614
04:44:35,760 --> 04:44:37,540
We are deeply invested in this region.

2615
04:44:37,540 --> 04:44:43,760
And the Sacramento being one of your largest employees with 19,400 physicians and employees.

2616
04:44:44,600 --> 04:44:48,800
As part of our ongoing commitment to the community, we continue to invest in strengthening our

2617
04:44:48,800 --> 04:44:54,760
healthcare network, improving patient experience by increasing capacity, improving access, reducing

2618
04:44:54,760 --> 04:44:57,160
travel times, adding services, et cetera.

2619
04:44:57,160 --> 04:44:58,820
A major capital investment.

2620
04:45:07,460 --> 04:45:29,520
We have been engaged in discussions with the county of Sacramento leadership for many months regarding affordability for their employees, and the fact that a significant contributing factor to our increasing rates has been the shift of some of the lower risk membership from Kaiser Permanente to other plans and the impact that this has had on the rates.

2621
04:45:29,520 --> 04:45:36,500
As costs increased, more than half of our former members could no longer manage to be able

2622
04:45:36,500 --> 04:45:39,000
to afford to remain on our enrolled in Kaiser Permanente.

2623
04:45:39,660 --> 04:45:44,320
To address this challenge, Kaiser Permanente has decided to make an investment in 2027

2624
04:45:44,320 --> 04:45:48,320
to improve affordability for the Sacramento County employees and their families.

2625
04:45:48,940 --> 04:45:52,780
This effort is intended to reduce costs by hundreds of dollars on each paycheck,

2626
04:45:53,160 --> 04:45:57,800
generating savings for the county through lower employee contributions and providing

2627
04:45:57,800 --> 04:46:02,520
an opportunity for former members to return to their physicians and care teams they know

2628
04:46:02,520 --> 04:46:02,980
and trust.

2629
04:46:03,700 --> 04:46:07,620
This offer came with the stipulation that there would be an active open enrollment

2630
04:46:07,620 --> 04:46:11,720
so that an employee would have the opportunity to evaluate their health plan choices and

2631
04:46:11,720 --> 04:46:13,300
make the decision that is right for them.

2632
04:46:13,880 --> 04:46:17,880
We know that life can be busy and it's easy to miss open enrollment communications.

2633
04:46:18,540 --> 04:46:20,480
So we have removed that stipulation.

2634
04:46:21,100 --> 04:46:25,360
Above all, we want to be a good partner, affordability to the employees, a long

2635
04:46:25,360 --> 04:46:32,080
term viable option and we value your, we felt we value the partnership that we

2636
04:46:32,080 --> 04:46:37,240
have with the county of Sacramento. Thank you Denise. And next in chamber we

2637
04:46:37,240 --> 04:46:38,100
have Ted Samara.

2638
04:46:42,990 --> 04:46:48,070
Hi Ted. Good afternoon. Healthcare so I wasn't prepared to speak

2639
04:46:48,070 --> 04:46:51,070
on this but I seen you had all the big providers here and I like to see them

2640
04:46:51,070 --> 04:46:55,070
claw at each other here to bring down those premiums that at the end of

2641
04:46:55,070 --> 04:46:58,710
the day benefit our members. So one I appreciate Kaiser coming down I think

2642
04:46:58,710 --> 04:47:01,270
it was like 17 and a quarter or so percent down,

2643
04:47:02,350 --> 04:47:04,290
which is nice for those that still have Kaiser.

2644
04:47:04,590 --> 04:47:06,030
But I think what the point that's being,

2645
04:47:06,270 --> 04:47:07,830
I think that needs to be addressed here

2646
04:47:07,830 --> 04:47:09,030
is that the affordability of healthcare

2647
04:47:09,030 --> 04:47:10,490
as it continues to increase.

2648
04:47:11,570 --> 04:47:12,910
And having your provider,

2649
04:47:13,150 --> 04:47:15,250
I believe you guys still utilize Keenan and Associates,

2650
04:47:15,330 --> 04:47:15,990
if I'm correct,

2651
04:47:16,830 --> 04:47:20,190
to go when they're aggressively negotiate these premiums down

2652
04:47:20,190 --> 04:47:21,890
because if Kaiser can do this,

2653
04:47:22,090 --> 04:47:25,030
because my understanding on the cost of healthcare

2654
04:47:25,030 --> 04:47:27,870
and how it increases its utilization of prescription drugs

2655
04:47:27,870 --> 04:47:31,790
is a combination of factors in which rises those increases up.

2656
04:47:32,630 --> 04:47:37,310
But here in this case, going down 17.5 percent, listen, Kaiser is not the only one to have

2657
04:47:37,310 --> 04:47:37,710
done this.

2658
04:47:37,750 --> 04:47:39,690
When Sutter first came aboard, they did it as well.

2659
04:47:40,490 --> 04:47:45,350
To be competitive, they all do that because at the end of the day, they want those customers,

2660
04:47:45,530 --> 04:47:51,530
those patients, those whatever they call them, to join their HMOs.

2661
04:47:51,870 --> 04:47:56,750
And we have to address it with open eyes and how are we going to get the best plans.

2662
04:47:56,750 --> 04:48:00,710
And remember, this was one of our sticklers during negotiations, is having a seat at the

2663
04:48:00,710 --> 04:48:06,550
table when the county develops the plants on the utilization so that we can smooth the

2664
04:48:06,550 --> 04:48:11,090
increase of those premiums, because it doesn't take overnight in order for those premiums

2665
04:48:11,090 --> 04:48:11,550
to go down.

2666
04:48:11,630 --> 04:48:13,870
There's a whole smoothing process that has to take place.

2667
04:48:14,450 --> 04:48:17,610
And I'll just take a case in the example in Merced County where we represent county

2668
04:48:17,610 --> 04:48:18,310
employees there.

2669
04:48:18,730 --> 04:48:23,030
They went and unblended their rates because they had enough monies in their open

2670
04:48:23,030 --> 04:48:27,350
of liability to start covering the cost of retiree health off of the monies that they

2671
04:48:27,350 --> 04:48:32,930
saved on the accounts because when you put money into your OPEB trust, that money has

2672
04:48:32,930 --> 04:48:37,950
to stay there for retiree health, which then increased dramatically down those rates in

2673
04:48:37,950 --> 04:48:41,910
Merced County, and they turn around and utilize those monies to offset the cost of the

2674
04:48:41,910 --> 04:48:46,310
premiums that the HMOS provide. So I hope that the Board continues to aggressively

2675
04:48:47,090 --> 04:48:52,650
pursue the rates of increase for your employees, working with these HMOS, having keen

2676
04:48:52,650 --> 04:48:56,730
and associates being aggressive, more aggressive, and trying to get those rates down and more

2677
04:48:56,730 --> 04:48:57,390
competitive plans.

2678
04:48:57,710 --> 04:48:58,070
So thank you.

2679
04:48:58,250 --> 04:48:58,530
Thank you.

2680
04:48:59,630 --> 04:49:03,150
And you know there is a vacant position with the California Insurance Commission.

2681
04:49:04,130 --> 04:49:05,190
It would be great at it.

2682
04:49:05,690 --> 04:49:05,970
All right.

2683
04:49:06,470 --> 04:49:07,170
Any other speakers?

2684
04:49:07,470 --> 04:49:10,130
We have no speakers online and no speakers in chambers.

2685
04:49:10,450 --> 04:49:10,650
All right.

2686
04:49:10,730 --> 04:49:11,590
We have a motion and a second.

2687
04:49:11,830 --> 04:49:12,090
Please vote.

2688
04:49:18,780 --> 04:49:22,000
That motion passes 4-0 with Supervisor Hume absent.

2689
04:49:22,340 --> 04:49:22,620
All right.

2690
04:49:22,760 --> 04:49:23,400
Next item, please.

2691
04:49:24,000 --> 04:49:26,620
Next item on our agenda is number 30.

2692
04:49:26,620 --> 04:49:30,460
that is the adopt a resolution expanding Sacramento County's three-year pilot

2693
04:49:30,460 --> 04:49:35,080
development impact fee offset program to include specified park district fees

2694
04:49:35,080 --> 04:49:38,440
and authorizing the deputy clerk or deputy county executive for community

2695
04:49:38,440 --> 04:49:44,340
services to take necessary actions to implement. Hi Claudia. Good afternoon

2696
04:49:44,340 --> 04:49:48,220
Chair Rodriguez, members of the board. My name is Claudia Wade, county engineer

2697
04:49:48,220 --> 04:49:54,120
for Sacramento County. On July 14th, this item was brought to your board and

2698
04:49:54,120 --> 04:49:58,080
and to expand the program to include three

2699
04:49:58,080 --> 04:50:00,560
of the dependent parks districts.

2700
04:50:01,420 --> 04:50:02,980
This item was continued today.

2701
04:50:03,140 --> 04:50:04,740
The board also requested the information

2702
04:50:05,040 --> 04:50:08,060
be provided related to how many affordable housing units

2703
04:50:08,360 --> 04:50:10,300
were constructed with the benefit of this program

2704
04:50:10,300 --> 04:50:14,420
that has been included as an attachment to the board letter.

2705
04:50:15,320 --> 04:50:17,040
In just a little bit of background,

2706
04:50:17,520 --> 04:50:19,140
on December 10th, 2024,

2707
04:50:19,500 --> 04:50:20,840
the board adopted an ordinance

2708
04:50:20,840 --> 04:50:23,000
and resolution implementing the Sacramento County

2709
04:50:23,000 --> 04:50:30,160
23-year pilot fee offset program. The Board allocated $5 million from the Affordable Housing

2710
04:50:30,160 --> 04:50:35,800
Incentive General Fund to offset certain specified development impact fees for low-income housing

2711
04:50:35,800 --> 04:50:41,840
up to 80% AMI. They also authorized up to $5 million of the Affordable Housing Ordinance

2712
04:50:41,840 --> 04:50:47,160
and Housing Trust Fund to be coordinated with SHA due to concerns brought up in December

2713
04:50:47,160 --> 04:50:49,820
December 2024 relating to the use of these funds.

2714
04:50:51,040 --> 04:50:58,000
This program offsets county controlled impact fees and we are requesting that the three dependent

2715
04:50:58,000 --> 04:51:02,880
parks districts which are Carmichael Recreation Park District, Mission Oaks Rec and Park

2716
04:51:02,880 --> 04:51:08,000
District and Sunrise Recreation Park District be an allowable fee to be funded.

2717
04:51:10,460 --> 04:51:12,460
That actually concludes my presentation.

2718
04:51:12,460 --> 04:51:18,240
If there's any questions related to this item, I'm here to answer any questions.

2719
04:51:18,500 --> 04:51:19,840
Yeah, I have a couple of questions.

2720
04:51:22,160 --> 04:51:32,140
So which project, which park district project is waiting for some application to be able to use the trust fund or the general fund?

2721
04:51:32,880 --> 04:51:39,080
Dave Defante, Deputy County Executive. There's a project at 1530 Howe that would, if this

2722
04:51:39,080 --> 04:51:44,360
were to be approved, we would propose offsetting the fees for, I believe it's Mission Oaks

2723
04:51:44,360 --> 04:51:53,360
Parks District. Okay. So, from the meeting we had a month

2724
04:51:53,360 --> 04:52:00,540
ago, there was $5 million put into the, from the Housing Trust Fund, and then $5 million

2725
04:52:00,540 --> 04:52:07,980
dollar to the general fund. And there was a discussion. And so for the sake of the members

2726
04:52:07,980 --> 04:52:13,920
of the public, can you explain, Claudia, why the trust fund would not be a priority to

2727
04:52:13,920 --> 04:52:16,120
use instead of the general fund dollars?

2728
04:52:17,020 --> 04:52:23,360
I believe you have Todd Smith. It has best information. But in a nutshell, they use it

2729
04:52:23,360 --> 04:52:30,900
to levy grant funds to get match grant funding, which brings in much more money.

2730
04:52:31,140 --> 04:52:36,400
But I may, again, Deputy County Executive Dave DeFonte, we do have members from SHA here

2731
04:52:36,400 --> 04:52:40,800
that can speak to that directly because this was quite a conversation a couple years back

2732
04:52:40,800 --> 04:52:44,260
with SHA and they're probably best positioned to speak to those issues.

2733
04:52:44,980 --> 04:52:48,820
And yeah, I would love to hear information from them on this.

2734
04:52:48,820 --> 04:52:49,800
And

2735
04:52:53,030 --> 04:52:55,490
Chris, not that I don't support these projects.

2736
04:52:55,670 --> 04:52:56,770
I think they are valuable.

2737
04:52:57,070 --> 04:52:58,290
I'm a big proponent.

2738
04:52:58,590 --> 04:53:01,430
I wish my district had more affordable housing development.

2739
04:53:01,910 --> 04:53:04,090
And I know that funding is an issue.

2740
04:53:04,710 --> 04:53:07,930
My issue really was taking $5 million from the general fund.

2741
04:53:08,410 --> 04:53:12,190
We just had many cuts or an impact.

2742
04:53:12,470 --> 04:53:14,210
We had an impact to public safety.

2743
04:53:14,770 --> 04:53:19,310
And so the way I look at it is taking $5 million from the general fund to be able

2744
04:53:19,310 --> 04:53:25,190
to be able to use for these projects wasn't something that I was very supportive of when

2745
04:53:25,190 --> 04:53:30,790
we talked about this a month ago. And so for me, I would much rather see the 2.9 million

2746
04:53:30,790 --> 04:53:36,410
that is in that bucket be put back in the general fund because in the past 18 months

2747
04:53:36,410 --> 04:53:44,410
we've only used 2.1 million for affordable housing. So it really was if developers want

2748
04:53:44,410 --> 04:53:49,970
use funding to be able to offset the county cost, why not use the housing trust fund?

2749
04:53:50,790 --> 04:53:54,990
So I would say I would respond in a few ways. And thank you for that introduction. I appreciate

2750
04:53:54,990 --> 04:54:00,950
that. Chris Warren, SHRA. So obviously being slightly new to this position, I went back

2751
04:54:00,950 --> 04:54:06,250
and reviewed all the information that has led us to this point. And back in 2024,

2752
04:54:06,650 --> 04:54:13,790
there was an independent analysis done of the funds that come in to SHRA to administer

2753
04:54:13,790 --> 04:54:18,550
for you as your fiscal agent. So let me just start off by saying, you know, we're happy

2754
04:54:18,550 --> 04:54:24,630
to sponsor these programs and make sure that they are in compliance and are able to bring

2755
04:54:24,630 --> 04:54:29,850
about more affordable housing. So at the end of the day, we can advise you on what we

2756
04:54:29,850 --> 04:54:34,770
think is most beneficial, but we are your fiscal agents, so we'll defer to you to

2757
04:54:35,530 --> 04:54:37,410
tell us what you'd like to do with those funds.

2758
04:54:37,410 --> 04:54:44,130
funds that currently the housing trust funds are used to are currently used to directs and

2759
04:54:44,130 --> 04:54:49,410
support deeply affordable housing units. So a loss of whether it be 2.9 or 5 million

2760
04:54:49,410 --> 04:54:54,730
is a direct reduction on the amount of money that we actually offer on a biannual basis

2761
04:54:54,730 --> 04:55:01,470
to help fill those housing gap to do that multifamily housing gap funding. The funding

2762
04:55:01,470 --> 04:55:08,430
Loading also is leveraged. So for every dollar that we are able to loan and leverage, it brings

2763
04:55:08,430 --> 04:55:16,150
an additional $3.99 in leverage to those projects. It also allows for those projects

2764
04:55:16,150 --> 04:55:21,990
to be competitive with both SIDLAC and the LIETEC applications. So it's almost a triple

2765
04:55:21,990 --> 04:55:28,270
effect that one dollar has with the affordable housing projects that get loaned. And to

2766
04:55:28,270 --> 04:55:38,570
To give you a more recent example, we just advertised $9.4 million for in June for our

2767
04:55:38,570 --> 04:55:41,310
biannual gap funding applications.

2768
04:55:42,290 --> 04:55:47,130
If we had offset that or we had reduced and reallocated those funds that you're speaking

2769
04:55:47,130 --> 04:55:52,210
of today, you would have seen a direct reduction in that number to a $4.4 million.

2770
04:55:52,730 --> 04:55:57,310
And as you might recall from some of our meetings, we had nine applications come in

2771
04:55:57,310 --> 04:56:04,850
for the county this year in June alone, all vying for 9.4 million with a $30 million need.

2772
04:56:04,990 --> 04:56:12,030
So you would have seen a reduction if this allocation was moved into offsetting impact fees

2773
04:56:12,030 --> 04:56:16,970
and you would have seen a reduction to 4.4 million advertised for those applications

2774
04:56:17,530 --> 04:56:21,590
and therefore a direct reduction in affordable housing units being built.

2775
04:56:21,590 --> 04:56:27,310
So, this program, because I went back and watched, well, I watched it a month ago.

2776
04:56:27,590 --> 04:56:34,850
I went back and watched the 2024 meetings, 2025, and in the past 18 months that this project

2777
04:56:34,850 --> 04:56:42,390
has been going, we've only used 2.1 million of the 5 million that's from the general

2778
04:56:42,390 --> 04:56:44,990
fund, and it's only gone to three projects.

2779
04:56:46,310 --> 04:56:51,110
So I just want to understand that part, and maybe that's a county question, not

2780
04:56:51,110 --> 04:56:57,270
a not a Chris Warren question well what I can say is just on a kind of a larger

2781
04:56:57,270 --> 04:57:06,730
scale we have since 1991 loaned out $33 million and actually recouped 20

2782
04:57:06,730 --> 04:57:11,670
million of that and earned 8 million in interest and so we've actually not

2783
04:57:11,670 --> 04:57:16,590
only paid ourselves back but we loaned out those funds twice over now from

2784
04:57:16,590 --> 04:57:20,470
the length of that program specifically to the obligation of those

2785
04:57:20,470 --> 04:57:24,330
particular dollars you just asked me about. Can you show I'm going to ask if you could

2786
04:57:24,330 --> 04:57:25,030
help me on that, please?

2787
04:57:25,870 --> 04:57:32,970
And then, Mr. DeFonte, can you help me understand? Is a $91 million from the past since 1991?

2788
04:57:33,390 --> 04:57:33,870
Is that what you said?

2789
04:57:34,270 --> 04:57:34,450
Yes.

2790
04:57:34,670 --> 04:57:41,790
Since 1991. Is there a correlation to the use of this fund, the $5 million?

2791
04:57:42,550 --> 04:57:46,590
Yes. So what we're discussing here, the trust fund or ordinance dollars, we have

2792
04:57:46,590 --> 04:57:52,070
two, let's just call them codes on the books, where for residential development, we charge

2793
04:57:52,070 --> 04:57:57,190
a fee on that residential development by unit or square foot. I forgot exactly how this

2794
04:57:57,190 --> 04:58:02,010
one set up. It's an affordable housing fee. So every new home built pays an affordable

2795
04:58:02,010 --> 04:58:07,230
housing fee. We collect that fee. We give it to SHA to manage on our behalf. So that's

2796
04:58:07,230 --> 04:58:12,550
what Chris is mentioning here. Similarly, we do the same with non-residential development

2797
04:58:12,550 --> 04:58:18,190
as well, commercial, etc. So the way it's administered, again, we charge that on development

2798
04:58:18,190 --> 04:58:22,110
coming through our doors in the unincorporated area, we collect those monies, we transmit

2799
04:58:22,110 --> 04:58:25,650
them to SHA and they do all the good work that Chris had just mentioned.

2800
04:58:26,470 --> 04:58:31,070
So as to the general fund portion, you're correct, we spent about $2 million, a little

2801
04:58:31,070 --> 04:58:36,270
over $2 million during this first year and a half or so. We funded four projects,

2802
04:58:36,270 --> 04:58:42,570
projects, about 435 units total, we've been able to offset the fees for using that general

2803
04:58:42,570 --> 04:58:43,510
fund contribution.

2804
04:58:43,910 --> 04:58:46,090
And if I understand right, it's only been three projects.

2805
04:58:46,990 --> 04:58:52,810
I'm looking at Attachment 1, it looks like San Juan, Teresina, Beach Hill and 1530 Howe.

2806
04:58:53,030 --> 04:58:56,370
On 1530 Howe, we were able to offset some of their fees.

2807
04:58:56,770 --> 04:59:02,270
We were not able to offset the Mission Oaks fee because of this nuance in how the

2808
04:59:02,270 --> 04:59:03,630
program is written today.

2809
04:59:03,630 --> 04:59:09,550
And I will say that this was a discussion back when about what is defined as a county controlled fee

2810
04:59:09,550 --> 04:59:13,870
We have the same discussion about sacks sewer who was separating from us at the time

2811
04:59:14,550 --> 04:59:20,730
And we really sort of wobbled on the parks district issue because the dependent park districts you are their board

2812
04:59:20,730 --> 04:59:25,490
So there there is sort of an easy argument to make that that is also a county controlled fee

2813
04:59:25,490 --> 04:59:27,390
But at the time we left them out

2814
04:59:27,390 --> 04:59:31,230
what we're suggesting today is if you want to continue the program to bring

2815
04:59:31,230 --> 04:59:34,790
them in and consider them a county controlled fee that could be offset

2816
04:59:34,790 --> 04:59:40,290
with these monies. Okay so help me understand so it's been right now in the

2817
04:59:40,290 --> 04:59:44,870
affordable housing development and now this item is now expanding it to

2818
04:59:44,870 --> 04:59:49,670
include park districts. Is that am I am I understanding that correctly? No the

2819
04:59:49,670 --> 04:59:54,210
money wouldn't go to the park district so right now the the program is set

2820
04:59:54,210 --> 04:59:58,450
set up to offset fees that would be charged to affordable housing development, but only

2821
04:59:58,450 --> 04:59:59,050
fees that

2822
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:06,280
So, think like the SCTDF program, which is our traffic fee. So, DOT manages that program.

2823
05:00:06,520 --> 05:00:10,900
You adopt the fee when it comes to you. So, we would be able to, and we do currently, we

2824
05:00:10,900 --> 05:00:15,720
can offset that fee, pay that fee essentially on behalf of an affordable housing development

2825
05:00:15,720 --> 05:00:21,620
in the unincorporated county. This would allow us to pay parks fees due from the affordable

2826
05:00:21,620 --> 05:00:26,820
housing development to the park district. So, right now, for example, I believe 1530

2827
05:00:26,820 --> 05:00:34,320
how their parks fee due to Mission Oaks is somewhere in the $700-ish, $600,000, $800,000.

2828
05:00:34,960 --> 05:00:39,720
The park district actually did a good job of knocking that fee down quite a bit, but

2829
05:00:39,720 --> 05:00:42,500
they aren't able to waive the rest of the fee.

2830
05:00:42,780 --> 05:00:45,800
So that's what's being proposed here, changing the program.

2831
05:00:46,120 --> 05:00:51,220
We know that we would be suggesting to offset 1530 house park fees to Mission

2832
05:00:51,220 --> 05:00:55,580
Oaks, but I would actually look to Claudia if there's other affordable housing developments

2833
05:00:55,580 --> 05:00:59,740
and the works that are also seeking to take advantage of this program.

2834
05:01:02,290 --> 05:01:07,930
We do have various other projects that have spoken to both planning and to our staff to

2835
05:01:07,930 --> 05:01:12,610
get estimates and they're looking to build affordable housing projects.

2836
05:01:12,990 --> 05:01:14,830
Claudia, can you clarify something?

2837
05:01:16,170 --> 05:01:25,050
And I remember there's a qualifying factor to be able to qualify to use the housing

2838
05:01:25,050 --> 05:01:30,350
impact fees? Is that the housing trust fund for the county impact fees? There is a qualifying

2839
05:01:30,350 --> 05:01:34,690
factor. What is that qualifying factor? Because I know there have been, I know a ton of affordable

2840
05:01:34,690 --> 05:01:40,050
housing developers, so what makes this fund available to only certain projects?

2841
05:01:40,830 --> 05:01:45,650
They have to meet state code requirements to qualify as an affordable housing project and

2842
05:01:45,650 --> 05:01:52,710
be up to 80% AMI. Okay, so that's the qualifying and they have to be certified by an agency

2843
05:01:52,710 --> 05:01:54,170
such as S-H-R-A.

2844
05:01:54,430 --> 05:01:54,990
Right, right, okay.

2845
05:01:55,290 --> 05:01:58,470
So only projects that have under 80% AMI.

2846
05:01:59,350 --> 05:02:05,510
And they also have, we've also capped it to a $10,000 per unit cap, so as to maintain

2847
05:02:05,510 --> 05:02:08,010
some of that fund so that we could fund more projects.

2848
05:02:08,310 --> 05:02:08,450
Right.

2849
05:02:08,950 --> 05:02:11,930
And this is where I am stuck.

2850
05:02:13,130 --> 05:02:17,790
Housing, affordable housing developers will eventually get the funding somewhere somehow,

2851
05:02:17,790 --> 05:02:18,210
correct?

2852
05:02:19,830 --> 05:02:21,030
I mean, it's fair to say.

2853
05:02:21,030 --> 05:02:26,510
Maybe this isn't our Chris question. Is it is it fair to say at some point or another housing developers

2854
05:02:27,030 --> 05:02:33,910
Affordable housing developers will eventually end up getting the funding somewhere somehow. I don't think that's I

2855
05:02:33,910 --> 05:02:36,810
Think we'd like to think that but I don't think that's correct

2856
05:02:36,810 --> 05:02:42,450
And I think it's it's it takes a lot to build affordable housing. It's very complicated, which you know

2857
05:02:42,450 --> 05:02:47,310
There are several there are developers will come back several

2858
05:02:48,050 --> 05:02:53,850
several rounds, several years, or even have to put phases on hold, we even at SHRA have

2859
05:02:53,850 --> 05:02:58,230
had to put phases on hold with our own repositioning because the funding is just not there. So sometimes

2860
05:02:58,230 --> 05:03:00,550
things just don't get built. That's just the reality.

2861
05:03:01,010 --> 05:03:07,410
All right. No, I do understand the challenges that come with building affordable housing

2862
05:03:07,410 --> 05:03:10,910
and what's one of the challenges we have. I just don't, personally, I just don't

2863
05:03:10,910 --> 05:03:16,070
think taking the $5 million out of the general fund a year and a half ago was a wise

2864
05:03:16,070 --> 05:03:21,710
thing to do considering that we had a structural deficit coming down the pike and eventually

2865
05:03:21,710 --> 05:03:26,390
affordable housing developers will at some point end up, you know, I mean, just from

2866
05:03:26,390 --> 05:03:31,050
the funding that I saw to those, I think there are three projects in one of the staff reports.

2867
05:03:32,130 --> 05:03:37,010
You know, it wasn't one of them, I think the highest one was a 1.4 million, but that

2868
05:03:37,010 --> 05:03:44,570
was a major, that was a huge project. So, okay, thank you. Supervisor Desmond.

2869
05:03:44,570 --> 05:03:50,070
Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the discussion about this, and I'm prepared to

2870
05:03:50,070 --> 05:03:55,790
move approval of the item. I appreciate your discussion, Mr. DeFonte, about why there is

2871
05:03:55,790 --> 05:04:01,410
certainly a nexus to these dependent park districts. I agree with that. I also agree

2872
05:04:01,410 --> 05:04:05,130
with the challenges over the general fund, but this Board made a policy decision a

2873
05:04:05,130 --> 05:04:11,630
few years ago that this is such a critical priority for the Board to get more affordable

2874
05:04:11,630 --> 05:04:15,730
affordable housing that we wanted to rope off some dollars where we could help close

2875
05:04:15,730 --> 05:04:22,530
some gaps to get these built. This is a great project which also incorporates some PSH units

2876
05:04:22,530 --> 05:04:26,810
as well, which I think makes it unique. This is not just another run-of-the-mill affordable

2877
05:04:26,810 --> 05:04:30,510
housing project. So with that, I move approval.

2878
05:04:32,250 --> 05:04:35,310
Supervisor Kennedy. I'll second that and just say that

2879
05:04:35,310 --> 05:04:40,270
You know, this is exactly where we should be putting our money, as far as, you know,

2880
05:04:40,450 --> 05:04:45,830
we know that everybody will say that we want to have more infill housing, we need more

2881
05:04:45,830 --> 05:04:50,630
affordable housing, and we all, I think, recognize that, where the rubber hits the

2882
05:04:50,630 --> 05:04:57,730
road is when we as a local government agency can provide a small amount, relatively speaking,

2883
05:04:58,070 --> 05:05:03,450
of funding that will house hundreds of people over the long run who otherwise would

2884
05:05:03,450 --> 05:05:11,370
be on our streets likely and be homeless and not provide for their families. I can tell

2885
05:05:11,370 --> 05:05:15,570
you that $3 million doesn't sound like a whole lot of money in the big scheme of things,

2886
05:05:15,710 --> 05:05:25,510
but if it wasn't for the $3 million in infrastructure dollars that went toward San Juan Motel site

2887
05:05:25,510 --> 05:05:31,390
from SACOG's Green Means Go program just as an example, that project never would

2888
05:05:31,390 --> 05:05:38,050
have gotten built. And so it's just it's a fallacy to think that these developers, you

2889
05:05:38,050 --> 05:05:42,790
know, the money's all out there, it's just for them to get. If that were the case, we

2890
05:05:42,790 --> 05:05:46,530
would have more affordable housing, we wouldn't have people coming us and needing this kind

2891
05:05:46,530 --> 05:05:53,270
of relief. It's a simplistic approach. It is extremely appropriate for us as we

2892
05:05:53,270 --> 05:05:58,130
look at homelessness and housing needs in Sacramento County to be investing our

2893
05:05:58,130 --> 05:05:59,890
own dollars in this. Thank you.

2894
05:06:01,550 --> 05:06:06,530
I'm just going to respond to that. I don't think anyone of five of us up here believe

2895
05:06:06,530 --> 05:06:13,850
that accessing funding is easy to get. I think affordable housing is very complex. I think

2896
05:06:13,850 --> 05:06:18,850
we all, five of us, probably would agree that we need more affordable housing and

2897
05:06:18,850 --> 05:06:23,570
all of us would want more projects in our districts to be able to help the individuals

2898
05:06:23,570 --> 05:06:25,350
who are struggling.

2899
05:06:26,070 --> 05:06:30,750
But I also want to state that without having really knowledge of,

2900
05:06:30,890 --> 05:06:33,610
again, I'm going to go back to having knowledge of the discretionary

2901
05:06:33,610 --> 05:06:36,830
and semi-discretionary funding,

2902
05:06:37,230 --> 05:06:39,950
we really don't know where some of that funding goes to.

2903
05:06:39,970 --> 05:06:41,450
And this is coming from the general fund.

2904
05:06:41,890 --> 05:06:43,770
So we just dealt with a lot of cuts.

2905
05:06:43,930 --> 05:06:45,610
We're going to continue to deal with cuts.

2906
05:06:45,710 --> 05:06:48,350
But until we really have an understanding where the priorities are

2907
05:06:48,350 --> 05:06:50,650
with general fund discretionary and semi-discretionary,

2908
05:06:51,410 --> 05:06:53,390
we're probably going to continue to have these conversations.

2909
05:06:53,390 --> 05:06:57,950
because I personally don't know where things are prioritized when it comes down to not just

2910
05:06:57,950 --> 05:07:02,230
departments but program levels. So we have a motion and a second and are there any requests

2911
05:07:02,230 --> 05:07:09,070
to speak on this item? We do. We have one speaker in person and anyone online that would like to

2912
05:07:09,070 --> 05:07:13,730
address the supervisors on item 30 regarding the three-year pilot development impact fee offset

2913
05:07:13,730 --> 05:07:18,230
program. Please raise your virtual hand now. Good afternoon Linda. And our first speaker is

2914
05:07:18,230 --> 05:07:24,210
Linda Wheaton. Thank you. I'm Linda Wheaton from SACAC's Homelessness and Housing Committee.

2915
05:07:25,070 --> 05:07:31,270
I'm speaking on item 30. I'm also a member of the Sacramento Housing Alliance who also submitted

2916
05:07:31,270 --> 05:07:37,910
a letter. They weren't able to be here to testify. But in both cases, we are urging your support

2917
05:07:37,910 --> 05:07:45,930
of this item because including park fees, park fees are significant impact fees. I believe

2918
05:07:45,930 --> 05:07:52,370
they average in the districts you're talking about from $6,000 to $7,000 a unit. And so

2919
05:07:52,370 --> 05:07:59,130
for multifamily housing development, those certainly add up. So we urge your support

2920
05:07:59,130 --> 05:08:05,390
of inclusion of the park districts in the existing program and maintenance of the program

2921
05:08:05,390 --> 05:08:10,110
for the three-year period. The fact that you've only had a certain number of applications

2922
05:08:10,110 --> 05:08:15,070
in just a little over a year, I'm sure there are many more

2923
05:08:15,070 --> 05:08:18,030
that in the remaining 18 months and beyond

2924
05:08:18,470 --> 05:08:20,230
that would have demand for those funds.

2925
05:08:20,950 --> 05:08:24,990
So in general, this kind of offset program

2926
05:08:24,990 --> 05:08:27,070
is more important than ever as recognized

2927
05:08:27,070 --> 05:08:31,830
by the state's recent adoption in the housing budget bill

2928
05:08:32,350 --> 05:08:39,010
of an AB 179 where they are requiring the state agencies

2929
05:08:39,010 --> 05:08:45,390
that administer affordable housing programs to limit the competitiveness of applicants

2930
05:08:45,750 --> 05:08:49,370
that charge impact fees that aren't waived.

2931
05:08:50,050 --> 05:08:56,190
And so this was important enough for the governor to specifically tout it in a press conference.

2932
05:08:57,270 --> 05:09:02,670
And I think it's likely other local governments will do that, that would compete for these

2933
05:09:02,670 --> 05:09:03,110
programs.

2934
05:09:03,110 --> 05:09:10,990
So, in short, we urge your adoption of the recommended program option.

2935
05:09:11,430 --> 05:09:11,810
Thank you.

2936
05:09:11,950 --> 05:09:12,470
Thank you, Linda.

2937
05:09:13,090 --> 05:09:15,390
I just have one more comment before we go to a vote.

2938
05:09:16,370 --> 05:09:24,370
We had this item came up about a month ago, and at the time, Hugh and I had both agreed

2939
05:09:24,370 --> 05:09:26,430
that we were not going to support this project.

2940
05:09:26,750 --> 05:09:27,670
We held off on it.

2941
05:09:27,970 --> 05:09:29,370
It wouldn't have passed a month ago.

2942
05:09:29,370 --> 05:09:37,270
So we held off on it out of respect for Supervisor's assessment who could not be at that meeting.

2943
05:09:38,230 --> 05:09:46,390
And so just hearing this, having waited another two weeks or four weeks or six weeks to hear

2944
05:09:46,390 --> 05:09:52,710
this project with all five of us, I don't believe that the million dollars that Mission

2945
05:09:52,710 --> 05:09:56,330
Oaks needed would have held the project back significantly.

2946
05:09:56,330 --> 05:10:03,050
I just want to state that we waited for Supervisor Desmond to come back and this project couldn't

2947
05:10:03,050 --> 05:10:06,290
be waited to be heard until Supervisor Hume came back.

2948
05:10:06,790 --> 05:10:06,930
All right.

2949
05:10:07,030 --> 05:10:09,030
Motion and a second, please vote.

2950
05:10:13,570 --> 05:10:13,790
All right.

2951
05:10:13,890 --> 05:10:14,470
That item passes.

2952
05:10:14,470 --> 05:10:14,850
Oh, sorry.

2953
05:10:15,550 --> 05:10:16,030
No.

2954
05:10:16,310 --> 05:10:16,710
Go back.

2955
05:10:17,690 --> 05:10:18,170
Sorry.

2956
05:10:18,950 --> 05:10:19,990
Do that one more time.

2957
05:10:20,170 --> 05:10:20,370
Yeah.

2958
05:10:22,790 --> 05:10:23,410
Thank you.

2959
05:10:23,630 --> 05:10:29,410
This item passes three to one with Supervisor Rodriguez voting no Supervisor Hume absent.

2960
05:10:29,410 --> 05:10:31,590
and we'll know if there were no more speakers online.

2961
05:10:31,850 --> 05:10:32,510
All right, thank you.

2962
05:10:32,710 --> 05:10:33,390
Next item, please.

2963
05:10:35,230 --> 05:10:38,590
Our next item is item 31,

2964
05:10:39,810 --> 05:10:42,690
which is the fuel up market item,

2965
05:10:42,810 --> 05:10:44,650
a letter of public convenience or necessity

2966
05:10:44,650 --> 05:10:48,170
for a property located at 5809 Manzanita Avenue.

2967
05:10:52,630 --> 05:10:53,870
And I do have some packets.

2968
05:10:54,550 --> 05:10:54,710
All

2969
05:11:13,430 --> 05:11:14,930
right, good afternoon, Chair Rodriguez

2970
05:11:14,930 --> 05:11:16,110
and fellow board members.

2971
05:11:16,390 --> 05:11:17,390
My name is Irving Huerta,

2972
05:11:17,750 --> 05:11:19,450
Associate Planner and Project Manager

2973
05:11:19,830 --> 05:11:21,410
for the Fuel Up Market PCN.

2974
05:11:25,970 --> 05:11:33,910
The project site is located over at 5809 Manzanita Avenue located 500 feet south of the intersection

2975
05:11:33,910 --> 05:11:38,250
of Auburn Boulevard and Manzanita Avenue and the Foothill Farms Community.

2976
05:11:39,450 --> 05:11:44,410
The project site is developed with an existing commercial retail building with several suites

2977
05:11:44,410 --> 05:11:45,270
and parking.

2978
05:11:49,740 --> 05:11:54,980
The project site is mainly surrounded by existing commercial retail uses over to the

2979
05:11:54,980 --> 05:11:56,800
north, south and west.

2980
05:11:56,800 --> 05:12:03,460
We also do have an existing multi-family apartment complex located east of the project site.

2981
05:12:08,160 --> 05:12:11,320
This is an overview of the project site plan.

2982
05:12:12,060 --> 05:12:17,080
I do want to note that the project site does consist of an existing convenience store and

2983
05:12:17,080 --> 05:12:17,860
gas station.

2984
05:12:18,360 --> 05:12:21,820
That is again the one that is requesting the Type 21 license.

2985
05:12:22,920 --> 05:12:26,060
There was a previous operator, a Circle K.

2986
05:12:26,960 --> 05:12:33,220
and then as illustrated on number one on the plan this is where the gas canopy

2987
05:12:33,220 --> 05:12:38,600
and pumps are located and then on number five is where the convenience store is

2988
05:12:38,600 --> 05:12:38,980
located.

2989
05:12:43,920 --> 05:12:48,960
This right here is an overview of the proposed floor plan. As illustrated

2990
05:12:48,960 --> 05:12:53,380
on the floor plan the beer will be stored in the coolers between doors

2991
05:12:53,380 --> 05:12:59,540
one and six wine will be located between the coffee bar and the beer

2992
05:12:59,540 --> 05:13:06,360
coolers and then spirits will be located on a shelf behind the pay counter near the entrance.

2993
05:13:07,420 --> 05:13:12,340
Additionally, there was a security plan package that was distributed to all of you

2994
05:13:12,340 --> 05:13:17,700
that also kind of shows the different security measures inside as well as I believe outside

2995
05:13:17,700 --> 05:13:18,840
of the store.

2996
05:13:24,300 --> 05:13:28,800
The following map as shown above is for a one-mile radius map.

2997
05:13:28,800 --> 05:13:35,480
map. This illustrates all of the Type 20, so that's beer and wine, and Type 21, beer,

2998
05:13:35,620 --> 05:13:42,640
wine, and spirits licenses within a one-mile radius of the site. This also includes sensitive

2999
05:13:42,640 --> 05:13:46,060
uses such as schools, daycares, and vacant parcels.

3000
05:13:48,400 --> 05:13:51,100
Just to go over the map, so a total

3001
05:13:51,100 --> 05:13:58,040
of 16 establishments, cell off-sale alcohol within this radius, seven of which hold

3002
05:13:58,040 --> 05:14:05,460
a type 20 license and nine have that type 21 license. Of those 16 establishments with

3003
05:14:05,460 --> 05:14:12,380
the license, two serve as a full service grocery store, seven function as liquor stores and

3004
05:14:12,380 --> 05:14:18,860
the other seven function as gasoline stations with convenience stores. I would like to also

3005
05:14:18,860 --> 05:14:25,500
note that the shaded hatch area just located northeast of the project site is the city

3006
05:14:25,500 --> 05:14:31,640
of Citrus Heights. And within the City of Citrus Heights, as shown over here, there's

3007
05:14:31,640 --> 05:14:39,980
seven of the 16 establishments that are licensed to sell alcohol. Just another point as well,

3008
05:14:40,480 --> 05:14:44,940
the City of Citrus Heights has jurisdiction over those seven licensed establishments,

3009
05:14:45,480 --> 05:14:46,400
not the county.

3010
05:14:48,600 --> 05:14:52,600
And then additionally, within the one mile radius of the site, there

3011
05:14:52,600 --> 05:14:55,400
There are five schools and three day care centers identified.

3012
05:14:56,960 --> 05:14:58,280
And then the nearest vac-

3013
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,580
The second parcel is located directly behind just west of the project site and it is a zone

3014
05:15:06,580 --> 05:15:07,500
general commercial.

3015
05:15:12,640 --> 05:15:16,480
So the request that's being considered this afternoon is for a letter of

3016
05:15:16,480 --> 05:15:23,500
public convenience and or necessity for a type 21 liquor license that's a beer, wine and spirits

3017
05:15:24,400 --> 05:15:29,660
by the State Department of alcoholic beverage control at an existing gasoline station and

3018
05:15:29,660 --> 05:15:33,120
and convenience store within the general commercial zoning district.

3019
05:15:38,720 --> 05:15:40,540
It's moving on to project analysis.

3020
05:15:41,340 --> 05:15:48,940
The Foothill Farms CPAC met on May 6th, 2026, and they recommended approval of the PCN.

3021
05:15:49,620 --> 05:15:51,740
That vote was 3 yes and 1 no.

3022
05:15:53,260 --> 05:15:58,900
The CPAC voted in favor was based off of the security upgrades to the project site,

3023
05:15:59,620 --> 05:16:04,540
the applicants extensive business experience, as well as operating several other licensed

3024
05:16:04,540 --> 05:16:08,880
establishments within the county as well as being an active member of the

3025
05:16:08,880 --> 05:16:10,140
analogue business community.

3026
05:16:12,600 --> 05:16:14,980
Additionally the project site is not located

3027
05:16:14,980 --> 05:16:19,800
within an environmental justice community and it also received no objection

3028
05:16:19,800 --> 05:16:21,300
from the business licensing.

3029
05:16:23,410 --> 05:16:25,950
However the census track will continue to be

3030
05:16:25,950 --> 05:16:31,190
over concentrated if the license is granted. I do want to note that in the

3031
05:16:31,190 --> 05:16:35,690
census track it does allow for one off-sale license. There's currently

3032
05:16:35,690 --> 05:16:41,870
only one active license and one surrendered license within the census track. The surrender

3033
05:16:41,870 --> 05:16:48,770
license does stay in the census track until it is transferred or sold or canceled. Currently

3034
05:16:48,770 --> 05:16:51,110
that surrendered license holder is Circle K.

3035
05:16:53,250 --> 05:16:55,310
The project site is also located within

3036
05:16:55,310 --> 05:17:00,650
a high crime reporting district and it did receive a conditional objection from the

3037
05:17:00,650 --> 05:17:07,630
sheriff. In attachment five, the sheriff has provided with their objection letter, a log

3038
05:17:07,630 --> 05:17:10,270
of calls for service for the year 2025.

3039
05:17:13,260 --> 05:17:16,180
There's also several sensitive uses and vacant land

3040
05:17:16,180 --> 05:17:22,520
uses or vacant land, I should say, within a one mile radius. And then lastly, existing

3041
05:17:22,520 --> 05:17:28,360
alcohol licensing within the one mile radius indicates customers have ample options for

3042
05:17:28,360 --> 05:17:29,200
alcohol purchases.

3043
05:17:34,040 --> 05:17:35,720
Planning and environmental review staff

3044
05:17:35,720 --> 05:17:41,160
recommends denial of this PCN request. The applicants have not demonstrated that

3045
05:17:41,160 --> 05:17:44,740
the proposed sale of alcohol can be accomplished in a manner that

3046
05:17:44,740 --> 05:17:49,080
sufficiently addresses or eliminates objections received

3047
05:17:49,080 --> 05:17:52,200
and negative impacts identified in the review conducted.

3048
05:17:53,760 --> 05:17:57,400
The applicant has not demonstrated that the public convenience or necessity

3049
05:17:57,400 --> 05:18:02,360
of this liquor license outweighs the objections and negative impacts identified.

3050
05:18:06,390 --> 05:18:07,110
This concludes

3051
05:18:07,110 --> 05:18:12,010
the end of my presentation. I'm available to answer any questions that you may have. And

3052
05:18:12,010 --> 05:18:15,670
additionally, we do have our applicant team present as well. Thank you.

3053
05:18:15,890 --> 05:18:17,710
I have a question, but I'll wait for Supervisor Desmond.

3054
05:18:17,950 --> 05:18:21,270
Thank you, Madam Chair. And thank you, Irving. You're getting better at these. That's

3055
05:18:21,270 --> 05:18:21,450
good.

3056
05:18:22,430 --> 05:18:22,870
Thank you.

3057
05:18:22,970 --> 05:18:27,990
So a couple questions for you. So this is in the 95608 zip code. Explain to me

3058
05:18:27,990 --> 05:18:30,870
why this went to the Foothill Farms CPAC and not Carmichael?

3059
05:18:31,490 --> 05:18:35,070
Yes, so as you know the Foothill Farms CPAC

3060
05:18:35,070 --> 05:18:39,070
got sketched out where it was created last year.

3061
05:18:39,690 --> 05:18:43,830
It does happen to be on the fringe of the Foothill Farms community

3062
05:18:44,510 --> 05:18:47,330
because it's located on the west side of the Manzanita.

3063
05:18:47,870 --> 05:18:50,750
It falls under Foothill Farms. Staff did

3064
05:18:51,270 --> 05:18:57,070
notify the Carmichael CPAC of the PCN request and invited them to

3065
05:18:57,070 --> 05:19:02,570
participate in the Foothill Farms CPAC meeting. We did have one of their CPAC

3066
05:19:02,570 --> 05:19:08,370
members attend and provide some comments as well. Okay that's helpful and then

3067
05:19:08,370 --> 05:19:12,790
the other thing I want to understand when did that Circle K close down? I believe

3068
05:19:12,790 --> 05:19:17,450
it was around probably earlier this year late last year. I believe maybe the

3069
05:19:17,450 --> 05:19:22,650
applicant might know when they took over. He is currently the new property

3070
05:19:22,650 --> 05:19:26,270
owner so he owns all of that commercial building as well as convenience

3071
05:19:26,270 --> 05:19:27,390
need storing gas station.

3072
05:19:28,110 --> 05:19:30,430
Not sure if he might have more specifics to that.

3073
05:19:30,550 --> 05:19:32,690
I'm hoping to hear from him in a moment here, actually.

3074
05:19:34,070 --> 05:19:38,730
So just so I understand the mechanics of the Type 21,

3075
05:19:38,930 --> 05:19:40,290
the Circle K was a Type 21, correct?

3076
05:19:40,970 --> 05:19:41,250
Yes.

3077
05:19:41,470 --> 05:19:44,330
OK, and that license is kind of in limbo.

3078
05:19:44,410 --> 05:19:46,590
I guess it's surrendered, but it's still in limbo.

3079
05:19:46,710 --> 05:19:47,870
It could still be reactivated.

3080
05:19:47,950 --> 05:19:48,930
Is that accurate?

3081
05:19:49,290 --> 05:19:49,490
I see.

3082
05:19:49,870 --> 05:19:50,050
Yes.

3083
05:19:50,470 --> 05:19:50,650
I see.

3084
05:19:52,090 --> 05:19:52,490
Oh,

3085
05:19:57,700 --> 05:19:58,060
Kimber.

3086
05:19:58,060 --> 05:19:58,940
Oh, yeah.

3087
05:19:59,640 --> 05:20:00,000
Hello.

3088
05:20:02,280 --> 05:20:03,640
Kimberly Gutierrez, principal planner.

3089
05:20:03,960 --> 05:20:04,060
Yes.

3090
05:20:05,260 --> 05:20:09,240
Basically, the previous owner, whoever holds that licenses, once they surrender it, they

3091
05:20:09,240 --> 05:20:11,180
can kind of decide what they want to do with it.

3092
05:20:11,320 --> 05:20:13,580
So they can either sell it to someone else.

3093
05:20:13,760 --> 05:20:15,700
They can cancel it completely.

3094
05:20:16,440 --> 05:20:21,580
But I think these usually go for, you know, they try to get the most out of it, yeah.

3095
05:20:21,820 --> 05:20:24,940
But if someone, if they sold it to someone, it would have to be used in the same census

3096
05:20:24,940 --> 05:20:25,460
tract as them?

3097
05:20:25,460 --> 05:20:25,620
No.

3098
05:20:25,820 --> 05:20:27,040
No, it would not be used anywhere.

3099
05:20:27,040 --> 05:20:29,940
It can go to any census. But they'd have to come back for a PCN

3100
05:20:30,460 --> 05:20:34,940
Depending on whether or not that census value is right. I mean if you apply. Okay. All right

3101
05:20:34,940 --> 05:20:41,500
But with this with it being so this was how long was this a circle K and be in use as a type 21 establishment?

3102
05:20:41,920 --> 05:20:47,280
I believe based off of my when I was working on the board letter. I think as

3103
05:20:48,040 --> 05:20:54,220
Late as the 1980s. I believe there's a long time permit. I think dating to 1988

3104
05:20:54,220 --> 05:20:58,680
Okay. That's all the questions I have now. I may have some questions for the applicants.

3105
05:20:59,140 --> 05:20:59,380
Thank you.

3106
05:20:59,440 --> 05:21:06,740
I have some questions. The Sheriff's Condition Letter, that is the generic letter that goes

3107
05:21:06,740 --> 05:21:11,180
out where there's like a time frame and then there's a couple of parameters that have to

3108
05:21:11,180 --> 05:21:13,740
be met with that particular license, correct?

3109
05:21:14,240 --> 05:21:20,020
Yes. The conditions that were provided are, so recall we can't condition a PCN.

3110
05:21:20,020 --> 05:21:29,260
The only agency that can do that is ABC, but the sheriff provides those conditions as recommendations

3111
05:21:29,260 --> 05:21:35,180
to the ABC in order for them to potentially include when they're working on the licensing

3112
05:21:35,180 --> 05:21:35,720
aspect.

3113
05:21:36,160 --> 05:21:45,500
So in my gender review, the question came up is there were two licensed 21s in the

3114
05:21:45,500 --> 05:21:51,840
in the census track. And we don't know the status of that particular license. Does the

3115
05:21:51,840 --> 05:21:55,660
applicant, or maybe that's a question for the applicant to come up and ask is, does

3116
05:21:55,660 --> 05:22:01,640
he know what the status is or if the circle K is willing to sell it to him or why he

3117
05:22:01,640 --> 05:22:02,080
would?

3118
05:22:02,080 --> 05:22:07,760
Yeah. I think that he might, yeah, the applicant might know a bit more, but just one thing

3119
05:22:07,760 --> 05:22:12,420
to note about surrender licenses is that the license holder is the only one that

3120
05:22:12,420 --> 05:22:13,820
can make that decision.

3121
05:22:13,820 --> 05:22:21,160
Sure, I understand that, but in the purchase of the business, that license could have been

3122
05:22:21,160 --> 05:22:29,220
one of the conditions on, I'll buy the business as long as the, you know, that ABC license

3123
05:22:29,220 --> 05:22:29,580
comes with it.

3124
05:22:29,580 --> 05:22:35,720
Yeah, so I do want to know, even if they were to, and correct me if I'm wrong, are

3125
05:22:35,720 --> 05:22:38,380
you stating more if like if they could inherit it?

3126
05:22:38,560 --> 05:22:41,340
Or purchase it from the Circle K Corporation.

3127
05:22:42,080 --> 05:22:42,600
Got it.

3128
05:22:42,600 --> 05:22:48,680
Purchasing or doing the transfer or sell would be the official process with ABC for my understanding

3129
05:22:49,240 --> 05:22:54,160
But in here you can't do that. They have to go through. Yeah, I understand the process very clearly

3130
05:22:54,820 --> 05:22:56,780
Okay, maybe that the

3131
05:22:57,740 --> 05:23:02,820
If you're are you done with your presentation? Yeah, I'm sure I'd like to ask the applicant that question

3132
05:23:10,940 --> 05:23:12,920
Hi, DeVender. Good afternoon

3133
05:23:12,920 --> 05:23:19,560
So, one of the questions I had when I was getting briefed on this item was, you purchased

3134
05:23:19,560 --> 05:23:23,120
the former Circle K location.

3135
05:23:24,000 --> 05:23:29,420
Had you negotiated the license 21 from the former owner?

3136
05:23:30,020 --> 05:23:30,360
Yes.

3137
05:23:30,640 --> 05:23:34,220
So, the issue was, we didn't purchase the location from Circle K.

3138
05:23:34,740 --> 05:23:35,940
Circle K is our tenant.

3139
05:23:36,700 --> 05:23:39,240
We purchased the property about seven years ago.

3140
05:23:40,560 --> 05:23:45,460
There was issues at the site, which we recommended them to take action, and they did not.

3141
05:23:46,720 --> 05:23:48,800
So their lease was up for renewal.

3142
05:23:49,140 --> 05:23:53,300
We gave them, instead of a long-term lease, we gave them a temporary extension on their

3143
05:23:53,300 --> 05:23:56,300
lease to correct the issues that were happening on site.

3144
05:23:56,800 --> 05:23:57,500
And they did not.

3145
05:23:57,700 --> 05:23:59,020
So we did not renew their lease.

3146
05:23:59,700 --> 05:24:01,640
So they were not very happy with me.

3147
05:24:02,080 --> 05:24:05,300
So they decided, no, we are not going to sell you the license.

3148
05:24:05,720 --> 05:24:06,680
We'll take it with us.

3149
05:24:06,680 --> 05:24:09,900
you go to get another PCN and that's why we're here today.

3150
05:24:10,100 --> 05:24:12,520
So do you know if that license has been,

3151
05:24:13,460 --> 05:24:16,160
if it's, or I don't know if we would know

3152
05:24:16,160 --> 05:24:18,640
or you would know, but has that license been utilized

3153
05:24:18,640 --> 05:24:20,620
for any other location in the county?

3154
05:24:20,620 --> 05:24:24,480
So I do understand that they have new sites in the works

3155
05:24:24,480 --> 05:24:25,840
where they might use that license.

3156
05:24:26,480 --> 05:24:28,860
And also the license that we're using here

3157
05:24:28,860 --> 05:24:30,600
is not from outside the community.

3158
05:24:30,800 --> 05:24:32,940
It's from on Manzanita Avenue.

3159
05:24:33,220 --> 05:24:35,160
It comes from a ride aid that went out of business.

3160
05:24:35,160 --> 05:24:40,940
So it's from within, I'd say within a mile and a half on Manzanita Avenue.

3161
05:24:44,980 --> 05:24:46,320
Okay. Supervisor Desmond.

3162
05:24:47,500 --> 05:24:53,500
Thank you, DeVinder, for bringing that up. Actually, I forgot about that because I think that is an important point in this whole discussion.

3163
05:24:53,640 --> 05:24:57,540
We're not talking about a whole new Type 21 here.

3164
05:24:57,540 --> 05:25:03,240
And can you tell us a little bit about how many businesses that include liquor stores

3165
05:25:03,240 --> 05:25:05,300
or type 20 or type 21 do you own?

3166
05:25:06,740 --> 05:25:10,120
So I'll skip my presentation, I'll answer your question.

3167
05:25:10,260 --> 05:25:13,820
So we started in 1992 in Woodland, California.

3168
05:25:14,420 --> 05:25:21,720
At the moment we have 17 locations and one of the locations happens to be in Mr. Rosario

3169
05:25:21,720 --> 05:25:27,020
Rodriguez's district for the past 18 years and we were right next to the library.

3170
05:25:27,020 --> 05:25:35,200
We have a very good relationship with them, and so over 18 years and 15 locations.

3171
05:25:36,240 --> 05:25:41,400
And a question that came up, you and I had a chance at a brief discussion, a question

3172
05:25:41,400 --> 05:25:45,400
that's come up from members of the community are, you know, they're impressed with the

3173
05:25:45,400 --> 05:25:49,980
improvements you've made on the property, but in terms of the conditions, which I

3174
05:25:49,980 --> 05:25:56,960
know we can't officially enforce, but are the times of sale and the amount of singles

3175
05:25:56,960 --> 05:26:00,960
that are being sold. Are there any, you know, even though we can't enforce them, are there

3176
05:26:00,960 --> 05:26:05,100
anything, things, conditions that you would commit to if we might be willing to consider

3177
05:26:05,100 --> 05:26:06,220
approving this PCN?

3178
05:26:06,660 --> 05:26:10,880
I would commit to midnight, cutting off sales at midnight. We don't need the sales

3179
05:26:10,880 --> 05:26:13,740
between 12 and 2 anyways. That's when the problems happen.

3180
05:26:14,540 --> 05:26:17,980
Okay. What about, what about with the smaller portions or singles?

3181
05:26:17,980 --> 05:26:23,660
I would hope not to get that restriction because it's an elderly community as well.

3182
05:26:23,900 --> 05:26:26,920
Some can afford something, some can afford others more.

3183
05:26:27,960 --> 05:26:30,680
I'm hoping to, I would commit to the midnight.

3184
05:26:32,160 --> 05:26:34,500
Midnight till 6 in the morning or whatever it is?

3185
05:26:34,500 --> 05:26:35,960
So it would be 6 a.m. to midnight.

3186
05:26:36,840 --> 05:26:39,260
So no sales between midnight and 6 a.m.

3187
05:26:40,420 --> 05:26:43,720
Legally, according to ABC, we can sell until 2 a.m.

3188
05:26:44,740 --> 05:26:50,020
And that's consistent with the limitation on your other store in District 4.

3189
05:26:50,560 --> 05:26:52,640
I believe we're at midnight as well over there.

3190
05:26:53,220 --> 05:26:53,840
Thank you.

3191
05:26:57,720 --> 05:27:01,460
Do you want to go through your presentation or is there anything else you want to add?

3192
05:27:01,480 --> 05:27:03,420
Now I'm going to be repeating some of the questions you asked.

3193
05:27:04,700 --> 05:27:11,520
So the reason that we are here today is we invested in this property about seven years ago, hoping to improve it.

3194
05:27:12,280 --> 05:27:14,780
And as soon as we purchased, we saw a lot of problems were happening.

3195
05:27:14,780 --> 05:27:21,340
It wasn't a safe place for people to shop and we attempted to make changes, but with

3196
05:27:21,340 --> 05:27:23,800
Circle K not cooperating, we were not able to.

3197
05:27:24,160 --> 05:27:28,280
So we did not renew their lease and we made the decision of operating it ourselves.

3198
05:27:29,280 --> 05:27:31,200
And that's why we're here for the PCA.

3199
05:27:31,320 --> 05:27:34,340
And if they would have sold the license to us, we wouldn't need to be here.

3200
05:27:34,580 --> 05:27:39,080
And if we wouldn't, if we would have renewed their lease, we would be still stuck in

3201
05:27:39,080 --> 05:27:39,800
the same place.

3202
05:27:41,020 --> 05:27:48,480
The difference is between 2025 and 2026 there we have

3203
05:27:48,480 --> 05:27:52,060
barely any response calls from the Sheriff's Department

3204
05:27:52,060 --> 05:27:55,100
whereas there was hundreds in 2025.

3205
05:27:56,080 --> 05:27:58,720
There's a question how long Circle K operated.

3206
05:27:59,520 --> 05:28:03,020
They closed doors in the middle of January this year

3207
05:28:03,020 --> 05:28:04,900
and we opened up February 1st.

3208
05:28:04,900 --> 05:28:05,100
first.

3209
05:28:07,660 --> 05:28:19,280
So tell me something, without the license 21, is your business sustainable? No, no it's

3210
05:28:19,280 --> 05:28:27,700
not. With today's competitive, the simple fact is it's convenience. A person wants to get

3211
05:28:27,700 --> 05:28:32,600
their gas, go inside, get their grocery or whatever they need, and get their beer, get

3212
05:28:32,600 --> 05:28:36,180
their liquor and they want to go home. They don't want to go get gas one place

3213
05:28:36,180 --> 05:28:42,960
then drive to another place to get something else and this is a freeway

3214
05:28:42,960 --> 05:28:46,880
location it would be different. It's a neighborhood. Everybody in that

3215
05:28:46,880 --> 05:28:50,880
neighborhood shops at our location and we want them to be able to get

3216
05:28:50,880 --> 05:28:56,800
everything they need at one time rather than going multiple places. So just as

3217
05:28:56,800 --> 05:29:00,300
a feedback I am not going to support staff's recommendation because I believe

3218
05:29:00,300 --> 05:29:05,300
that you have been a very responsible business owner. I'm a very

3219
05:29:05,300 --> 05:29:11,200
supportive of owner operated businesses because they are the best operated, you know, the best

3220
05:29:11,200 --> 05:29:17,880
run businesses. And, you know, I encourage entrepreneurism and I encourage businesses

3221
05:29:17,880 --> 05:29:23,640
and I understand it's really tough times right now. I don't believe Circle K will take that

3222
05:29:23,640 --> 05:29:27,840
license and put it back in your senses. They'll probably take it elsewhere. But

3223
05:29:27,840 --> 05:29:32,160
without knowing that, you know, it's really up in the air. But I believe we've had

3224
05:29:32,160 --> 05:29:38,320
21 licenses in the census keeping it that way I don't think it's going to be

3225
05:29:38,320 --> 05:29:46,720
detrimental to the community. Supervisor Desmond. Thank you Madam Chair and

3226
05:29:46,720 --> 05:29:52,720
appreciate your comments. I was waiting to tell you done I don't have any more

3227
05:29:52,720 --> 05:29:57,560
questions for you. Thank you comments so a few things on this PCN you know we

3228
05:29:57,560 --> 05:29:59,140
We have these discussions all the time.

3229
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:05,400
If you've seen one PCN request, you've seen one PCN request. They're all a little different

3230
05:30:05,400 --> 05:30:11,600
or have a lot of nuances. Certainly appreciate staff's work on this, Irving, your presentation

3231
05:30:11,600 --> 05:30:15,080
and Kimber and Todd and everything. We've had a lot of discussions about this one.

3232
05:30:16,580 --> 05:30:20,760
What's unique about it to me is the fact that there is a license that's been surrendered

3233
05:30:20,760 --> 05:30:24,000
that would have to go through a process if they wanted to put it back in this area,

3234
05:30:24,000 --> 05:30:27,780
and that they're moving, this is not a net new license

3235
05:30:27,780 --> 05:30:29,400
because of the right aid implications.

3236
05:30:30,500 --> 05:30:31,920
The other thing that I think, you know,

3237
05:30:31,960 --> 05:30:35,020
when we look at the map, it always strikes me,

3238
05:30:35,200 --> 05:30:36,460
and because this came up in the context

3239
05:30:36,460 --> 05:30:38,120
of another PCN discussion we had,

3240
05:30:38,160 --> 05:30:39,480
maybe a couple years ago or so,

3241
05:30:39,920 --> 05:30:43,600
where a lot of those establishments

3242
05:30:44,380 --> 05:30:46,500
are outside unincorporated Sacramento County.

3243
05:30:46,720 --> 05:30:47,420
You know, they're in a city

3244
05:30:47,420 --> 05:30:49,880
where that city is generating tax revenue from those

3245
05:30:49,880 --> 05:30:52,780
and so I feel like we are handicapping

3246
05:30:52,780 --> 05:30:56,180
our own businesses from being able to take advantage of that in the unincorporated area.

3247
05:30:56,280 --> 05:30:59,840
It's not a dispositive factor, but it is a factor for me when I look at this.

3248
05:31:00,380 --> 05:31:04,780
The other factor is I know, I've talked to Mr. Singh, my staff has met with him, looked

3249
05:31:04,780 --> 05:31:05,420
at his businesses.

3250
05:31:06,780 --> 05:31:12,520
He's not an unknown new business operator in this community, and I think your responsible

3251
05:31:12,520 --> 05:31:15,760
business owner, you're a known commodity, and I appreciate that and the investments

3252
05:31:15,760 --> 05:31:17,980
you've already made in the property.

3253
05:31:17,980 --> 05:31:23,580
But the other, I think the most important factor to me is, I think in our CPAC structure

3254
05:31:23,580 --> 05:31:27,840
that we have here, this is the PCN process is a pretty intimate one.

3255
05:31:28,500 --> 05:31:32,880
And I think there are times we need to be appropriately differential to the CPAC, and

3256
05:31:32,880 --> 05:31:37,660
I know the members of the CPAC who approved this PCN, and I know their level of passion

3257
05:31:37,660 --> 05:31:42,080
and involvement and engagement for the community, so I also want to support what they came

3258
05:31:42,080 --> 05:31:42,440
up with.

3259
05:31:42,560 --> 05:31:47,520
So with that, I'm prepared to make a motion to support the issuance of the PCN,

3260
05:31:47,520 --> 05:31:51,100
But what I'd like incorporated into it you know Todd or bring the whomever

3261
05:31:51,100 --> 05:31:55,700
I know it's not enforceable, but I would still like it recorded that it will be between the

3262
05:31:55,700 --> 05:32:03,890
Midnight and sit no sales between midnight and 6 a.m. Wait, can I get clarification on your motion or you?

3263
05:32:04,390 --> 05:32:06,290
So a staff recommended denial

3264
05:32:06,970 --> 05:32:13,970
Correct correct. I'm recommending approval of the PCN. So not not taking staff's recommendation. Okay. All right

3265
05:32:13,970 --> 05:32:17,990
Thank you a supervisor. You have a motion to second supervisor sir. No, thank you

3266
05:32:19,810 --> 05:32:24,150
So I'm not going to support the motion.

3267
05:32:24,290 --> 05:32:25,670
I'm going to support staff's recommendation,

3268
05:32:25,930 --> 05:32:27,210
but I want to explain a little bit

3269
05:32:28,190 --> 05:32:30,330
about why I hold that position.

3270
05:32:30,850 --> 05:32:36,050
And it really has to do with two issues.

3271
05:32:36,390 --> 05:32:41,530
One is, I think staff really did a...

3272
05:32:41,530 --> 05:32:43,790
Well, did what we've told them to do

3273
05:32:44,310 --> 05:32:46,550
based on our own policy in terms of PCN review.

3274
05:32:46,550 --> 05:32:52,550
you. I really don't have any dispute with their analysis. The second is I just have a

3275
05:32:52,550 --> 05:32:58,410
philosophical disagreement, especially when it comes to Type 21, when it comes to the

3276
05:32:58,410 --> 05:33:06,270
sale, especially of spirits, at a gas station. It's difficult for me to reconcile philosophically

3277
05:33:06,270 --> 05:33:14,650
again automobile uses that are blessed with the ability and interest to, at the same

3278
05:33:14,650 --> 05:33:22,210
time sell hard alcohol, not just alcohol. And as I explained to staff during my briefing,

3279
05:33:22,390 --> 05:33:28,530
that's really kind of a bit of a lingering influence from my late father who was not

3280
05:33:28,530 --> 05:33:36,510
a drinker and he was very consistent in his position. Maybe Patrick remembers this in

3281
05:33:36,510 --> 05:33:43,550
terms of him having a real problem with perhaps the most intense automobile use there

3282
05:33:43,550 --> 05:33:53,230
is, which is refueling, literally occurring and having the authority to function that

3283
05:33:53,230 --> 05:33:58,630
way at the same time providing alcohol to those drivers. It doesn't mean that every

3284
05:33:58,630 --> 05:34:07,230
driver that's refueling is going to drink on-site or, you know, somehow act in some

3285
05:34:07,230 --> 05:34:13,530
nefarious way on that property, but it just seems to conflict in a way I just cannot

3286
05:34:13,530 --> 05:34:18,370
I'm not reconciled for myself, so it's really no disrespect to the business owner,

3287
05:34:18,570 --> 05:34:21,130
certainly no disrespect to the supervisor in his district.

3288
05:34:21,310 --> 05:34:27,430
This is being proposed, but it's for those reasons I'll be supporting staff's recommendation.

3289
05:34:30,840 --> 05:34:32,200
All right, we have a motion and a second.

3290
05:34:34,180 --> 05:34:35,000
Public comments.

3291
05:34:35,340 --> 05:34:35,360
Yes.

3292
05:34:35,560 --> 05:34:41,300
And we do have a speaker in chambers and anyone online that would like to address the

3293
05:34:41,300 --> 05:34:46,380
supervisors on item 31 regarding the fuel up market letter of public convenience or

3294
05:34:46,380 --> 05:34:52,560
necessity please raise your virtual hand first speaker Chris Evans please

3295
05:34:52,560 --> 05:34:56,100
approach the lectern and you have two minutes to address the supervisors

3296
05:34:57,640 --> 05:35:02,740
hi Chris hello good afternoon I'm here on behalf of the Antelope business

3297
05:35:02,740 --> 05:35:06,820
community district and the vendors a good member of our existing community

3298
05:35:06,820 --> 05:35:11,000
he runs the similar fuel up operation within the ABC district he's

3299
05:35:11,000 --> 05:35:13,740
one of four properties that run that in our district.

3300
05:35:14,200 --> 05:35:17,400
And I will say I checked as of this morning in six years

3301
05:35:17,940 --> 05:35:20,780
we've had two calls for service to his property

3302
05:35:20,780 --> 05:35:22,080
since we formed the P bid.

3303
05:35:22,360 --> 05:35:24,960
Now I get two calls for service from some of the other

3304
05:35:24,960 --> 05:35:27,040
properties, similar properties of his a month.

3305
05:35:27,720 --> 05:35:29,380
So we have a well run property.

3306
05:35:29,540 --> 05:35:31,840
We have a property owner who's involved in the district

3307
05:35:31,840 --> 05:35:33,360
who's showing up at the board meetings,

3308
05:35:33,460 --> 05:35:34,900
who's there working with the community,

3309
05:35:35,360 --> 05:35:37,440
who's working within the district itself.

3310
05:35:37,500 --> 05:35:39,040
And I think this is the type of business.

3311
05:35:39,040 --> 05:35:43,340
And I agree with you, Supervisor Cernan, on the alcohol, I absolutely agree with you

3312
05:35:43,340 --> 05:35:43,700
on the alcohol.

3313
05:35:43,900 --> 05:35:45,640
You know what our program is?

3314
05:35:45,760 --> 05:35:47,740
It's Sacramento Navigators and what we try to do.

3315
05:35:48,300 --> 05:35:52,820
But I do think the one thing we do want is responsible business operators when they do

3316
05:35:52,820 --> 05:35:53,480
have the license.

3317
05:35:54,040 --> 05:35:57,480
And obviously, the Circle K wasn't a responsible business operator.

3318
05:35:57,660 --> 05:35:59,100
They had a tremendous amount of problems.

3319
05:35:59,340 --> 05:36:02,560
And the property owner stepped in and said, this isn't good for the community.

3320
05:36:02,740 --> 05:36:04,200
And he did what he did in Antelope.

3321
05:36:04,340 --> 05:36:08,220
He put a good business in there that's going to run a quality business for

3322
05:36:08,220 --> 05:36:12,340
years to come. And I think we need more of that. Give or take the alcohol. Forget that.

3323
05:36:12,460 --> 05:36:16,220
The business itself. We need good quality businesses there. And I do think there is

3324
05:36:16,220 --> 05:36:20,940
a convenience to somebody stopping on their way home, going inside, getting some milk

3325
05:36:20,940 --> 05:36:24,460
and some other things. And yeah, they may want to buy a bottle of tequila, but they're

3326
05:36:24,460 --> 05:36:27,800
going to take it home and enjoy it. So I would just encourage you. I understand

3327
05:36:27,800 --> 05:36:31,180
the concerns. I appreciate you guys. And in closing, I'm just going to say, Rich,

3328
05:36:31,340 --> 05:36:34,880
we are so happy that you're back. And God's blessings on you. We're glad you're

3329
05:36:34,880 --> 05:36:37,160
getting healthy again. Thank you very much.

3330
05:36:40,020 --> 05:36:42,020
Any online speakers now is the time

3331
05:36:42,020 --> 05:36:45,860
to raise your hand for item 31 fuel up market letter of public convenience or

3332
05:36:45,860 --> 05:36:50,660
necessity. We have no online speakers. All right we have a motion in the second.

3333
05:36:55,510 --> 05:37:00,190
This item passes three to one with the no coming from Supervisor Serna.

3334
05:37:02,400 --> 05:37:02,600
All

3335
05:37:02,600 --> 05:37:06,900
right very good congratulations and thank you for doing business in

3336
05:37:06,900 --> 05:37:11,400
Sacramento County. We always appreciate good business owners. Thank you. Next

3337
05:37:11,400 --> 05:37:18,180
item please. The next item on our agenda is number 32 the 2023 zoning code update

3338
05:37:18,180 --> 05:37:22,020
a zoning ordinance amendment to extensively update chapters 1 through 7

3339
05:37:22,020 --> 05:37:29,600
and title 4 of the Sacramento County zoning code. Hi Matthew. Hello. Okay can I

3340
05:37:29,600 --> 05:37:30,760
get this lower please.

3341
05:37:35,980 --> 05:37:42,340
Okay so good afternoon Chair Rodriguez members of

3342
05:37:42,340 --> 05:37:45,780
the board my name is Matthew Jamama associate planner with planning and

3343
05:37:45,780 --> 05:37:50,740
environmental review. I am the lead planner of this project. Here with me today is my supervisor,

3344
05:37:51,520 --> 05:37:56,700
zoning administrator Wendy Hartman. I'm excited to have the honor of presenting this landmark

3345
05:37:56,700 --> 05:37:58,340
zoning code update today.

3346
05:38:00,900 --> 05:38:05,280
So it's clearly not 2023 anymore, but I promise that we haven't

3347
05:38:05,280 --> 05:38:11,100
been dilly-dallying. This update encompasses 134 amendments which result in the most

3348
05:38:11,100 --> 05:38:16,200
significant update to the zoning code since it was introduced in its current addition

3349
05:38:16,200 --> 05:38:23,060
back in 2015. The updates before you hear today are a result of about a decade of

3350
05:38:23,060 --> 05:38:27,620
feedback from numerous stakeholders including residents, developers, business

3351
05:38:27,620 --> 05:38:32,760
owners, county staff and other persons involved in the planning process. What

3352
05:38:32,760 --> 05:38:36,300
we're really targeting here are those common pain points where we've heard

3353
05:38:36,300 --> 05:38:40,860
that doesn't make sense, that should really be fixed and that's outdated.

3354
05:38:41,620 --> 05:38:45,360
We're also acting on your board's previous direction in the 2023

3355
05:38:45,360 --> 05:38:51,000
development review process resolution to generally amend the zoning code to reduce hearing body levels

3356
05:38:51,000 --> 05:38:53,580
and permit more approvals at the staff level.

3357
05:38:57,180 --> 05:39:00,380
134 updates is a lot, so we've created a matrix to

3358
05:39:00,380 --> 05:39:05,480
provide a broad overview of all the changes in this update. The issue matrix is provided as

3359
05:39:05,480 --> 05:39:11,920
attachment three in your packet. This matrix contains columns left to right, an identification

3360
05:39:11,920 --> 05:39:17,840
number for each amendment which ranges from A1 through A134, the topic name, the

3361
05:39:17,840 --> 05:39:22,220
type of fix involved, subjective degree of change rating which I'll go over in the

3362
05:39:22,220 --> 05:39:26,500
next slide, a brief description of the issue and its proposed fix, and the

3363
05:39:26,500 --> 05:39:28,440
affected communities and zones.

3364
05:39:32,310 --> 05:39:34,510
Each amendment is categorized into a ranking

3365
05:39:34,510 --> 05:39:39,010
or scale of one to five of a subjective degree of change which is based

3366
05:39:39,010 --> 05:39:43,930
on several metrics including how often the affected section is used, the

3367
05:39:43,930 --> 05:39:48,930
changes impact on the text, its impact on communities, and the difference from existing

3368
05:39:48,930 --> 05:39:49,950
staff practices.

3369
05:39:51,130 --> 05:39:56,330
Generally items rank one and two are minor clarifications, and those rank three to five

3370
05:39:56,330 --> 05:39:57,670
are more policy changes.

3371
05:39:59,360 --> 05:40:03,450
This update is constructed in a way where most changes are those at the lower end

3372
05:40:03,450 --> 05:40:07,810
of the scale, resulting in more clarifications and more intense policy changes.

3373
05:40:10,160 --> 05:40:13,680
The scale also comes into play with your report today, whereas most amendments

3374
05:40:13,680 --> 05:40:17,900
ranked three and above are listed and described in further detail as a part of

3375
05:40:17,900 --> 05:40:19,440
attachment four in your packet.

3376
05:40:22,960 --> 05:40:25,440
So while I'd love to go into specific detail on

3377
05:40:25,440 --> 05:40:29,900
these multitudes of updates and will you to sleep as I've done at some CPACs, I

3378
05:40:29,900 --> 05:40:33,940
want to zoom out to focus on those who will be affected by these updates, which

3379
05:40:33,940 --> 05:40:36,800
are the various stakeholders and customers of the county that work

3380
05:40:36,800 --> 05:40:38,920
with the zoning code as listed on the screen.

3381
05:40:43,140 --> 05:40:44,380
For our residents there are

3382
05:40:44,380 --> 05:40:48,300
several quality of life changes that generally make it easier for

3383
05:40:48,300 --> 05:40:51,120
individual homeowners to use and customize their property.

3384
05:40:51,920 --> 05:40:56,300
The changes listed on the screen will likely be the most popular ones to impact our residential

3385
05:40:56,300 --> 05:40:56,880
communities.

3386
05:40:57,900 --> 05:41:02,900
Just to call out, too, the first bullet point under development standards, we're proposing

3387
05:41:02,900 --> 05:41:07,660
an increased height allowance for residential accessory structures to go up to 24 feet

3388
05:41:07,660 --> 05:41:12,920
in height with at least 10 feet side and rear yard setbacks, which matches popular

3389
05:41:12,920 --> 05:41:17,460
demand for structures that houses RVs and boats on larger properties.

3390
05:41:18,740 --> 05:41:23,640
Additionally, the first bullet point under youth standards, home occupations, which is

3391
05:41:23,640 --> 05:41:26,780
a section that hasn't been comprehensively updated in decades.

3392
05:41:27,640 --> 05:41:31,720
We're proposing to modify this to account for modern work from home and side hustle

3393
05:41:31,720 --> 05:41:37,360
opportunities, including remote consulting, private vehicle share, and limited animal

3394
05:41:37,360 --> 05:41:38,100
care services.

3395
05:41:38,100 --> 05:41:39,120
For

3396
05:41:41,780 --> 05:41:45,620
residential developers, there are not many changes in this specific update.

3397
05:41:46,100 --> 05:41:50,160
There will be more substantive changes coming soon with the forthcoming housing

3398
05:41:50,160 --> 05:41:54,520
and infill zoning code amendment package led by our infill coordinator Jesse Shen.

3399
05:41:55,320 --> 05:41:59,340
However, in this update, the most substantive changes for residential developers

3400
05:41:59,340 --> 05:42:04,980
would be a slight increase in the minimum driveway length to 22 feet from 19 or 20 feet

3401
05:42:04,980 --> 05:42:09,000
to prevent cars from blocking driveways and residential subdivisions

3402
05:42:09,000 --> 05:42:13,720
and also relax standards for talk under parking which enables more creative

3403
05:42:13,720 --> 05:42:18,420
ways to develop housing projects especially on infill sites, small sites

3404
05:42:18,420 --> 05:42:23,580
and sites with unusual lot shapes. On your screen is a recent approval of an

3405
05:42:23,580 --> 05:42:26,440
infill apartment complex which uses talk under parking.

3406
05:42:30,080 --> 05:42:31,800
For institutional uses

3407
05:42:31,800 --> 05:42:35,560
there are some significant changes which support small businesses that

3408
05:42:35,560 --> 05:42:40,020
provide educational and cultural amenities to our communities. Notably

3409
05:42:40,020 --> 05:42:45,360
we are introducing a new training, tutoring, or testing center use classification which

3410
05:42:45,360 --> 05:42:51,020
permits a wide variety of small educational uses with less than 25 students on site at

3411
05:42:51,020 --> 05:42:54,020
any one time by right in our commercial zones.

3412
05:42:54,300 --> 05:42:55,080
One moment, Matthew.

3413
05:42:55,380 --> 05:42:55,540
Yes.

3414
05:42:55,820 --> 05:42:56,540
Supervisor Serna.

3415
05:42:56,820 --> 05:42:57,220
Thank you.

3416
05:42:57,900 --> 05:43:01,540
Thanks, Matthew, for being here and presenting.

3417
05:43:01,540 --> 05:43:04,260
Can you go back to the other slide?

3418
05:43:05,180 --> 05:43:08,420
The driveway length issue.

3419
05:43:10,540 --> 05:43:20,080
One of the concerns that I've had, that I've seen for myself in some cases, not necessarily

3420
05:43:20,080 --> 05:43:26,880
Sacramento County, some other jurisdictions as well, is where you'd have a driveway that

3421
05:43:26,880 --> 05:43:34,980
that is short enough where you have an occupant that has a long enough vehicle, that even

3422
05:43:34,980 --> 05:43:42,280
if, let's say, the front or the rear bumper is almost at the garage door, it's still blocking

3423
05:43:42,280 --> 05:43:48,140
a portion of the sidewalk. So you've got compromised sidewalk clearance, and therefore

3424
05:43:48,660 --> 05:43:54,760
presumably an ADA issue, or at least maybe informally an access issue for someone

3425
05:43:54,760 --> 05:43:57,280
when that is in a wheelchair.

3426
05:43:57,900 --> 05:44:03,280
So did any of the reconsideration of driveway length,

3427
05:44:04,920 --> 05:44:07,900
was any of that accounted for relative

3428
05:44:07,900 --> 05:44:10,580
to kind of the concern I've just expressed

3429
05:44:10,580 --> 05:44:13,960
in terms of blocking pedestrian access?

3430
05:44:14,560 --> 05:44:16,880
Yes, so that's actually the primary reason

3431
05:44:16,880 --> 05:44:19,080
why it's added, so the Department of Transportation,

3432
05:44:19,340 --> 05:44:22,120
we work with them and they actually adopted

3433
05:44:22,120 --> 05:44:27,580
the public right-of-way accessibility guidelines at a county level, I believe, for public projects.

3434
05:44:28,100 --> 05:44:33,280
So we're trying to align that with our zoning code. So we worked with them and we took a look at

3435
05:44:33,900 --> 05:44:40,320
they provide us with example pictures and scenarios of different properties where the

3436
05:44:40,320 --> 05:44:43,380
length of the vehicle became an issue and obstructed the sidewalk. So we

3437
05:44:43,380 --> 05:44:48,720
constructed and used 22 feet to try to reduce those potential conflicts.

3438
05:44:48,720 --> 05:44:55,840
Did that include kind of, you know, taking a look at, you know, the average size of vehicles

3439
05:44:55,840 --> 05:44:59,140
and kind of guesstimating at least, what kind of clear.

3440
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:07,520
Yes, so we have actually a diagram inside of the, inside of our packet where we took a

3441
05:45:07,520 --> 05:45:13,980
look at I think it's a Ford 350. I'm going to say it must be a long bed, you know, three-quarter

3442
05:45:13,980 --> 05:45:22,540
ton pickup. Yeah, let me see if I can get the measurement. I have the reference. It is

3443
05:45:22,540 --> 05:45:29,860
on page 2-106 of which attachment was that, though?

3444
05:45:30,320 --> 05:45:32,320
That's okay. I don't want to take too much time.

3445
05:45:32,320 --> 05:45:38,340
I just wanted to understand and hopefully have affirmed that

3446
05:45:38,340 --> 05:45:43,620
part of the consideration on driveway length was because of pedestrian access

3447
05:45:43,620 --> 05:45:47,860
when it comes to kind of a perpendicular sidewalk or walkway.

3448
05:45:47,860 --> 05:45:54,040
Yes, so I found actually the exhibit, it's on page four, attachment four, page 104.

3449
05:45:54,900 --> 05:46:03,760
Basically looking at a standard Toyota Corolla is 15.19 feet, Ford F350 is at 20.83 feet.

3450
05:46:03,980 --> 05:46:08,240
So as we get more popular SUVs, larger vehicles, that's what we're accounting for.

3451
05:46:08,600 --> 05:46:13,320
And just as an aside too, I've actually brought this to the attention of our county

3452
05:46:13,320 --> 05:46:20,060
I don't know, a while back, but just to my own neighborhood, you know, there are some

3453
05:46:20,060 --> 05:46:30,340
take-home county vehicles, some of which are utility trucks on a F-250, 350 platform where

3454
05:46:30,340 --> 05:46:36,740
it's getting awfully close to the bumper, you know, beginning to take up, you know,

3455
05:46:36,820 --> 05:46:40,440
three to six inches of that sidewalk, but that's three to six inches.

3456
05:46:40,440 --> 05:46:43,860
is that's very important for someone that is in a wheelchair.

3457
05:46:44,160 --> 05:46:47,240
So I'm really pleased to hear that you've done,

3458
05:46:47,720 --> 05:46:50,900
I think, a lot of due diligence in coming up

3459
05:46:50,900 --> 05:46:52,840
with that driveway length.

3460
05:46:53,240 --> 05:46:53,920
So thank you.

3461
05:46:54,320 --> 05:46:54,640
Thank you.

3462
05:46:55,160 --> 05:46:55,780
And there are questions.

3463
05:46:56,680 --> 05:46:57,300
No other questions.

3464
05:46:57,920 --> 05:46:58,260
OK.

3465
05:46:59,340 --> 05:47:02,260
So I was on tutoring, training, or testing centers.

3466
05:47:02,860 --> 05:47:05,080
So what we're proposing is a new classification,

3467
05:47:05,540 --> 05:47:08,900
which allows for a wide variety of educational uses

3468
05:47:08,900 --> 05:47:14,180
with at most 25 students on site at any one time by right in our commercial zones.

3469
05:47:15,040 --> 05:47:19,980
So these types of uses would no longer need a use permit, and this enables small music

3470
05:47:19,980 --> 05:47:25,740
production schools, beauty schools, culinary schools, CPR training academies, just for examples,

3471
05:47:26,340 --> 05:47:30,300
to have lower barriers of entry inside of our existing commercial areas in the county.

3472
05:47:31,340 --> 05:47:35,100
Additionally, updates are proposed to the Art Gallery and Art Studio use

3473
05:47:35,100 --> 05:47:40,760
classifications to account for modern maker space and their associated tools, so that

3474
05:47:40,760 --> 05:47:41,380
type of use.

3475
05:47:42,500 --> 05:47:47,560
On the utilities side of institutional uses, we are proposing the codification of standards

3476
05:47:47,560 --> 05:47:53,880
for utility scale, battery energy storage system, or BEST facilities, which complies

3477
05:47:53,880 --> 05:47:59,000
with our Adopted Climate Action Plan goals, and also supports the SMUD 2030 Green Plan.

3478
05:48:03,940 --> 05:48:07,600
So a large portion of these updates affect our commercial businesses.

3479
05:48:07,600 --> 05:48:10,780
I split them into three slides, so I'll just discuss them each.

3480
05:48:11,580 --> 05:48:16,620
Really at the high level, we are reforming and simplifying our use classifications to

3481
05:48:16,620 --> 05:48:21,500
prevent confusion during the business license review process and during initial outreach

3482
05:48:21,500 --> 05:48:26,040
when entrepreneurs are looking for reasonable assurance that they can not only start their

3483
05:48:26,040 --> 05:48:30,500
business at a location, but can expand as their customer base grows.

3484
05:48:31,600 --> 05:48:36,920
The most significant to that intent on this slide is our revised bucket use classifications.

3485
05:48:37,480 --> 05:48:42,440
Bucket use classifications are our generic classifications that encompass a wide variety

3486
05:48:42,440 --> 05:48:45,140
of businesses of a similar intensity in character.

3487
05:48:46,060 --> 05:48:50,280
So for example, we have a general office uses use classification, and that includes

3488
05:48:50,280 --> 05:48:54,900
bookkeepers, accountants, software engineering firms, doctor's offices, everything of

3489
05:48:54,900 --> 05:48:55,320
that sort.

3490
05:48:55,320 --> 05:49:00,260
support. These buckets help simplify our code in our major part of our day-to-day work.

3491
05:49:01,560 --> 05:49:06,400
By revising them for consistency, clarity, and to provide a clearer separation between

3492
05:49:06,400 --> 05:49:13,060
the buckets, we are encouraging more consistent implementation of our zoning code. Additionally,

3493
05:49:13,220 --> 05:49:16,580
on this slide, I'd like to note that we are improving the standards for the accessory

3494
05:49:16,580 --> 05:49:21,100
keeping of company vehicles, which is a common pain point with our code enforcement

3495
05:49:21,100 --> 05:49:24,200
staff given how vague that section currently is.

3496
05:49:27,520 --> 05:49:30,260
For our vehicle-based businesses such as auto repair

3497
05:49:30,260 --> 05:49:35,800
shops, truck repair, truck storage, and boat storage, third-use classifications and use standards

3498
05:49:35,800 --> 05:49:42,340
are being revised for more clarity, consistency, and to match actual operations. For drive-throughs

3499
05:49:42,340 --> 05:49:47,980
as requested by our Department of Transportation, given safety concerns, minimum drive-through

3500
05:49:47,980 --> 05:49:52,320
reservoir space is proposed to be increased and adjusted based on the type of business

3501
05:49:52,320 --> 05:49:58,040
this activity occurring. The ability to request shorter queue lengths is also on

3502
05:49:58,040 --> 05:50:02,140
the table subject to providing adequate justification to the satisfaction of the

3503
05:50:02,140 --> 05:50:06,640
Department of Transportation. I'd also like to highlight on this slide that we

3504
05:50:06,640 --> 05:50:10,340
are proposing a reduction in the hearing body level for tattoo shops which

3505
05:50:10,340 --> 05:50:14,400
is being aligned to refer to as body art facilities which aligns with the

3506
05:50:14,400 --> 05:50:19,640
State Body Art Act. Additionally we are proposing to permit arcades by

3507
05:50:19,640 --> 05:50:24,080
right ending over four decades of unusually strict regulations in our jurisdiction.

3508
05:50:27,020 --> 05:50:32,300
Finally, a major component for commercial items in this update is the rewrite of the

3509
05:50:32,300 --> 05:50:33,580
temporary uses section.

3510
05:50:34,720 --> 05:50:38,980
This section is getting significant overhaul with more intuitive navigation, revised

3511
05:50:38,980 --> 05:50:40,740
standards and improved allowances.

3512
05:50:41,820 --> 05:50:45,840
Notably standards for temporary concessions on private property are being updated to

3513
05:50:45,840 --> 05:50:48,200
better address food vendors on private property.

3514
05:50:49,080 --> 05:50:52,440
an additional allowance we are proposing is that for large shopping

3515
05:50:52,440 --> 05:50:57,440
centers which are at least 15 acres in size such at such centers are permitted

3516
05:50:57,440 --> 05:51:02,420
to hold events such as carnivals or pop-up markets for up to 30 days per year

3517
05:51:02,420 --> 05:51:07,420
this is an increase from the current 10 days per year this allowance is

3518
05:51:07,420 --> 05:51:11,320
intended to provide more vibrancy to large commercial shopping centers which

3519
05:51:11,320 --> 05:51:15,120
may have underutilized parking lots like floor and town center which is

3520
05:51:15,120 --> 05:51:15,980
shown on the screen.

3521
05:51:20,640 --> 05:51:22,640
For our industrial businesses, we

3522
05:51:22,640 --> 05:51:24,440
have several miscellaneous improvements

3523
05:51:24,440 --> 05:51:26,440
that are hard to easily categorize,

3524
05:51:26,520 --> 05:51:28,800
however, I'd like to highlight two changes.

3525
05:51:29,600 --> 05:51:33,180
First, the introduction of the hazardous material storage

3526
05:51:33,180 --> 05:51:35,060
and distribution use classification.

3527
05:51:36,000 --> 05:51:38,000
Currently, for businesses that store

3528
05:51:38,000 --> 05:51:40,380
significant amounts of hazardous materials,

3529
05:51:40,480 --> 05:51:43,020
they can either be classified as warehousing, which

3530
05:51:43,020 --> 05:51:45,620
has really relaxed regulations

3531
05:51:45,620 --> 05:51:51,060
locally, relatively, and hazardous waste transfer facility which has very strict

3532
05:51:51,060 --> 05:51:55,900
regulatory and permitting requirements. The hazardous material storage and

3533
05:51:55,900 --> 05:51:59,280
distribution use classification, which was written with review with our

3534
05:51:59,280 --> 05:52:03,420
Environmental Management Department, is intended to bridge the gap between those

3535
05:52:03,420 --> 05:52:08,280
two classifications. This intermediate classification provides for a

3536
05:52:08,280 --> 05:52:11,580
regulatory path that encourages appropriate buffering for such

3537
05:52:11,580 --> 05:52:16,040
potentially dangerous uses like propane storage and fertilizer storage from

3538
05:52:16,040 --> 05:52:21,100
sensitive receptors like residential areas and schools. Additionally on a

3539
05:52:21,100 --> 05:52:24,260
lighter note and a quality of life improvement for those who work in

3540
05:52:24,260 --> 05:52:27,920
industrial zones we are proposing to reduce the use permit level for

3541
05:52:27,920 --> 05:52:31,900
restaurants in industrial zones. This will hopefully provide more convenient

3542
05:52:31,900 --> 05:52:35,720
places for workers in those zones to have a treat during a break or have a

3543
05:52:35,720 --> 05:52:36,360
meal during lunch.

3544
05:52:41,890 --> 05:52:44,990
For agricultural and Delta communities again there's a

3545
05:52:44,990 --> 05:52:49,830
Samarkas Board of Changes, but the most significant one here, in my opinion, would be the second

3546
05:52:49,830 --> 05:52:50,490
bullet point.

3547
05:52:51,210 --> 05:52:55,990
Currently our zoning code does not have provisions that allow for commercial scale agricultural

3548
05:52:55,990 --> 05:52:58,870
operations to have commercial vehicles on site.

3549
05:52:59,550 --> 05:53:03,730
For example, there's a lot of pair farms out there you'd probably expect them to

3550
05:53:03,730 --> 05:53:05,270
have large trucks for hauling pairs.

3551
05:53:05,850 --> 05:53:11,290
As written, our code would currently mandate a use permit for accessory storage of commercial

3552
05:53:11,290 --> 05:53:11,810
vehicles.

3553
05:53:11,810 --> 05:53:18,350
With input from our Delta Citizens Municipal Advisory Council and the Southeast Area CPAC,

3554
05:53:18,530 --> 05:53:23,490
we are proposing to permit storage of multiple commercial vehicles on farms that are at

3555
05:53:23,490 --> 05:53:25,010
least 20 acres in size.

3556
05:53:25,910 --> 05:53:30,090
Additionally, if a parcel was in a Williamson Act contract, it would be eligible for this

3557
05:53:30,090 --> 05:53:30,610
new allowance.

3558
05:53:33,970 --> 05:53:38,590
For planning environmental review staff ourselves and other county departments, there's a lot

3559
05:53:38,590 --> 05:53:42,650
of amendments in here which improve the big picture structure and framework of our

3560
05:53:42,650 --> 05:53:43,210
zoning code.

3561
05:53:43,210 --> 05:53:48,230
these changes in turn make it easier for us as county staff to do our job so we

3562
05:53:48,230 --> 05:53:52,110
can better help customers and prevent time from being wasted on looking for

3563
05:53:52,110 --> 05:53:56,130
the person who remembers a thing, searching for emails and memos written

3564
05:53:56,130 --> 05:54:00,590
long ago and trying to remember what we did last time. In ensuring that this

3565
05:54:00,590 --> 05:54:04,530
works for all planning staff implementation wise I also be remiss

3566
05:54:04,530 --> 05:54:08,050
not to mention the dozens of hours of work done by dozens of planning

3567
05:54:08,050 --> 05:54:11,770
staff past and present in preparing this package you are listed in the

3568
05:54:11,770 --> 05:54:16,490
planning commission staff report, including my predecessor in managing this package, Lauren

3569
05:54:16,490 --> 05:54:16,910
Haas.

3570
05:54:18,050 --> 05:54:22,170
Some amendments to help county staff I would like to highlight include the dramatic reduction

3571
05:54:22,170 --> 05:54:26,950
in Title IV, which is our interim zones chapter, which the board directed us to eliminate

3572
05:54:26,950 --> 05:54:28,510
in the late 70s.

3573
05:54:29,190 --> 05:54:32,170
It's not completely gone, but we're about halfway there now.

3574
05:54:33,350 --> 05:54:38,390
The third sub bullet, which notes the detailed codification of common procedures which

3575
05:54:39,090 --> 05:54:43,970
and gets everyone on the same page from minor amendments and administrative determinations.

3576
05:54:45,370 --> 05:54:49,550
I'd also like to note improved consistency and terminology with other departments.

3577
05:54:50,470 --> 05:54:53,630
So with this update, as I mentioned, we worked with Department of Transportation,

3578
05:54:53,810 --> 05:54:56,310
Environmental Management, various other divisions and teams,

3579
05:54:57,110 --> 05:55:02,470
and we were really cognizant in trying to make sure that while we can't always bridge the gap

3580
05:55:02,470 --> 05:55:06,750
between what planning calls something and what another department may call something,

3581
05:55:06,750 --> 05:55:12,550
we were cognizant in trying to reduce confusion in that terminology. Finally,

3582
05:55:12,670 --> 05:55:16,950
I'd like to note the express processing of state mandates which bypasses CPAC

3583
05:55:16,950 --> 05:55:21,290
presentations for text amendments to the code to comply with federal law

3584
05:55:21,290 --> 05:55:26,690
changes, state law changes, and other specified legal events. This change is

3585
05:55:26,690 --> 05:55:29,950
intended to allow the county to expediently comply with frequently

3586
05:55:29,950 --> 05:55:34,530
changing state law and new mandates. CPACs will still be notified of the

3587
05:55:34,530 --> 05:55:38,970
planning commission hearing which allows for them to review potential changes and provide

3588
05:55:38,970 --> 05:55:42,110
comment prior to and not such planning commission hearing.

3589
05:55:45,630 --> 05:55:49,570
Finally before we conclude I'd like to point out a part of the ordinance here before you

3590
05:55:49,570 --> 05:55:55,150
today which directs staff to quote, make all necessary administrative changes to any section

3591
05:55:55,150 --> 05:55:59,910
of the development code to comply with Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

3592
05:56:00,730 --> 05:56:05,090
As the board is likely well aware, government agencies are under a deadline to make documents

3593
05:56:05,090 --> 05:56:11,030
posted online accessible pursuant to ADA. That deadline was initially this April, but

3594
05:56:11,030 --> 05:56:15,750
it was moved to next April. If you've read our zoning code recently, you'll see it's

3595
05:56:15,750 --> 05:56:20,550
on our new land use regulation library instead of being served as a PDF document. The land

3596
05:56:20,550 --> 05:56:24,290
use regulation library, which I am also project manager of, provides our regulations

3597
05:56:24,290 --> 05:56:29,290
in a much more accessible format with some cool extra features. The proposed language

3598
05:56:29,290 --> 05:56:33,530
and the ordinance empower staff to officially make formatting and other administrative

3599
05:56:33,530 --> 05:56:39,010
changes to documents that make the library's new format the official format for our ordinances.

3600
05:56:41,840 --> 05:56:47,440
On outreach for this update we completed 17 workshops throughout March and April including

3601
05:56:47,440 --> 05:56:53,120
15 workshops at local CPACs and two countywide workshops held here in the board chambers.

3602
05:56:54,000 --> 05:56:58,380
We also sent out notice of this update through our broad development code distribution list

3603
05:56:58,380 --> 05:57:05,400
which has over 10,000 subscribers. After initial planning commission workshop in April to explain

3604
05:57:05,400 --> 05:57:10,780
the proposed amendments in further detail, on June 8, 2026, the Planning Commission voted

3605
05:57:10,780 --> 05:57:14,300
to recommend the Board of Supervisors approve the requested entitlements.

3606
05:57:15,950 --> 05:57:20,820
With all that said, planning and environmental review staff and the Planning Commission recommend

3607
05:57:20,820 --> 05:57:23,160
that the Board of Supervisors take the following actions.

3608
05:57:24,080 --> 05:57:26,700
Determine that the notice of exemption is adequate and complete.

3609
05:57:27,260 --> 05:57:32,260
Adopt the ordinance amending chapters one through seven and Title IV of the Sacramento

3610
05:57:32,260 --> 05:57:37,760
zoning code, adopt the resolution amending the planning and environmental review fee schedule

3611
05:57:37,760 --> 05:57:44,860
to establish the major temporary use permit or MTZ application fee at $725 and remove an

3612
05:57:44,860 --> 05:57:49,420
obsolete application fee, direct staff to make administrative amendments to the development

3613
05:57:49,420 --> 05:57:53,100
code to improve compliance with Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act,

3614
05:57:53,660 --> 05:57:57,440
and direct staff to make administrative amendments to county processes and applications,

3615
05:57:57,800 --> 05:58:00,420
including but not limited to the zoning code user guide.

3616
05:58:00,420 --> 05:58:03,560
And with that, that's the end of my presentation.

3617
05:58:03,920 --> 05:58:05,240
I'd be happy to answer any questions.

3618
05:58:06,120 --> 05:58:06,920
Supervisor Desmond.

3619
05:58:07,680 --> 05:58:08,200
Thank you, Madam Chair.

3620
05:58:08,300 --> 05:58:08,700
Thank you, Matthew.

3621
05:58:08,900 --> 05:58:10,220
I'm going to step in the back in a moment

3622
05:58:10,220 --> 05:58:11,520
to stretch out my arm,

3623
05:58:11,520 --> 05:58:13,700
but I want to try to get a few laughs first

3624
05:58:13,700 --> 05:58:16,280
because that's a good tonic for the pain that I'm in.

3625
05:58:16,540 --> 05:58:20,340
But I will say I'll pass along to Sandy Smolley

3626
05:58:20,340 --> 05:58:23,580
that her motion from 1977, we're finally at that.

3627
05:58:23,640 --> 05:58:25,220
So I'll call her and let her know.

3628
05:58:25,760 --> 05:58:27,940
But I appreciate this effort.

3629
05:58:27,940 --> 05:58:32,620
I know it's been a monumental effort even to get us where we are here today.

3630
05:58:32,960 --> 05:58:33,800
So I appreciate it.

3631
05:58:33,900 --> 05:58:37,180
There's, I know there's going to be a lot of discussion about this, but I just want

3632
05:58:37,180 --> 05:58:39,100
to make these remarks at least initially.

3633
05:58:40,260 --> 05:58:45,440
And I appreciate the amount of outreach that you've done and the amount of kind of individual

3634
05:58:46,200 --> 05:58:47,980
outreach that you're willing to do.

3635
05:58:48,100 --> 05:58:53,020
Todd and I recently talked about meeting with some folks in Arden Arcade because you

3636
05:58:53,020 --> 05:58:54,360
used the word smorgasbord.

3637
05:58:54,360 --> 05:59:01,300
and I think that's how the county planning has, like it or not, that's how it's been for a long time.

3638
05:59:01,460 --> 05:59:06,700
There's been a lot of inconsistency, a lot of fragmentation, so I appreciate what you're doing here.

3639
05:59:07,080 --> 05:59:12,440
And there are some things I may not agree 100%, but I think it's a dramatic improvement of where we are

3640
05:59:12,440 --> 05:59:18,340
and I think the level of consistency that it injects will help us be a better place to do business

3641
05:59:18,340 --> 05:59:23,120
everywhere in unincorporated Sacramento County, which is what we have really been striving for.

3642
05:59:23,120 --> 05:59:26,120
So I just want to say that initially with some initial comments. Thank you.

3643
05:59:27,660 --> 05:59:32,080
Supervisor Kennedy. Thank you. Not a lot of questions. Same as

3644
05:59:32,080 --> 05:59:37,320
Supervisor Desmond as far as, you know, thank you so much for listening to the public, listening

3645
05:59:37,320 --> 05:59:42,960
to applicants, listening to us, and recognizing how important it is to take a look at with

3646
05:59:42,960 --> 05:59:48,060
a fine tooth comb and look for obsolescence where it's just stopping good projects like

3647
05:59:48,060 --> 05:59:51,780
I've had good projects, particularly down in Stockton Boulevard that, you know,

3648
05:59:51,780 --> 05:59:56,340
eventually met their demise because of plans that just didn't make any sense anymore.

3649
05:59:56,900 --> 05:59:59,060
Remember, having many of those conversations with the 8th...

3650
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:07,460
And it, you know, this is going to go a long way toward giving us tools that we no longer

3651
06:00:07,460 --> 06:00:14,200
had to build quality development that is relevant to today, that the tools have been taken away

3652
06:00:14,200 --> 06:00:21,400
for redevelopment in so many other areas, it became so difficult to incentivize and make

3653
06:00:21,400 --> 06:00:25,960
and help developers come up with projects that are good for the community. This does

3654
06:00:25,960 --> 06:00:32,960
that. So I thank you, you know, great work. I enjoyed the presentation. You dilly-dallyed

3655
06:00:32,960 --> 06:00:38,880
a little bit. But the fact that I now know what an adult hog is is incredibly important

3656
06:00:38,880 --> 06:00:41,520
to my constituents. So thank you very much.

3657
06:00:44,250 --> 06:00:48,210
All right. Well, that is it. Are there any requests to speak on this item?

3658
06:00:49,050 --> 06:00:51,970
Yes. We do have one in-person speaker. Thank you, Matthew.

3659
06:00:52,490 --> 06:00:57,630
Thank you, supervisors. Any person on Zoom who would like to speak on this item, which

3660
06:00:57,630 --> 06:01:02,690
is 32, the 2023 zoning code update. Now is the time to raise your virtual hand. Our

3661
06:01:02,690 --> 06:01:07,110
first in-person speaker is Bob Benz. Please approach the lectern.

3662
06:01:09,230 --> 06:01:14,690
Thank you for this opportunity. I'm a local boat dealer. I own superior boat repair

3663
06:01:14,690 --> 06:01:21,830
and sales. And so I'm obviously a strong supporter of this amendment that would allow

3664
06:01:21,830 --> 06:01:28,730
licensed boat dealers to operate in a permitted use of M1 and M2 industrial zoning districts

3665
06:01:28,730 --> 06:01:35,290
without requiring a conditional use permit. I have firsthand experience on that. I just

3666
06:01:36,090 --> 06:01:43,070
recently purchased a property adjacent to mine and was starting that process. Both dealers

3667
06:01:43,070 --> 06:01:49,930
are low impact businesses. They generate, you know, minimal traffic compared to many other

3668
06:01:49,930 --> 06:01:53,190
commercial and industrial uses.

3669
06:01:54,910 --> 06:02:01,130
We operate primarily during normal business hours and we're a natural fit for an industrial

3670
06:02:01,130 --> 06:02:05,950
area where large buildings are available, outdoor storage and service facilities are

3671
06:02:05,950 --> 06:02:09,590
available and transportation access already exists.

3672
06:02:10,670 --> 06:02:16,890
So allowing boat dealerships as a permitted use would encourage business investment in

3673
06:02:16,890 --> 06:02:24,690
economic growth, create and retain quality local jobs, help increase tax revenue through

3674
06:02:24,690 --> 06:02:30,310
business expansion and property improvements. I have Dave Morton here who's with Massey

3675
06:02:30,310 --> 06:02:36,030
and Company who's been remodeling the property that I just purchased. It was a property

3676
06:02:36,030 --> 06:02:41,630
that was a true eye store along Highway 50 and Sunrise. We've turned it into a beautiful

3677
06:02:41,630 --> 06:02:51,110
facility. And so it was unsafe and now it's a safe property to operate out of. So I'm

3678
06:02:51,110 --> 06:02:57,930
the perfect example of, you know, investing in Sacramento County. I've been operating

3679
06:02:57,930 --> 06:03:04,050
boat dealerships for almost 40 years in the county and one of the major hangups is

3680
06:03:04,050 --> 06:03:12,010
the CUP process so I hope that this passes and it'll allow boat dealers like

3681
06:03:12,010 --> 06:03:16,990
myself to operate in M1 and M2 zones without having to go through that

3682
06:03:16,990 --> 06:03:23,550
process. Thank you. Thank you Bob. Our next speaker is via zoom and that is

3683
06:03:23,550 --> 06:03:27,910
Murray Bartowski. Murray please unmute yourself and you have two minutes to

3684
06:03:27,910 --> 06:03:28,710
address the supervisors.

3685
06:03:32,170 --> 06:03:34,790
Good afternoon Madam Chair and members of the board.

3686
06:03:34,790 --> 06:03:39,390
My name is Marie Barkowski and I'm a Sacramento County resident and property owner.

3687
06:03:39,970 --> 06:03:46,430
I'm asking for one very narrow action today. Please sever A118, the FEN standards amendment

3688
06:03:46,430 --> 06:03:50,510
from the larger zoning update and return it for further public review.

3689
06:03:51,050 --> 06:03:57,110
I'm not asking you to stop the other 133 amendments. My concern is the public process

3690
06:03:57,110 --> 06:04:02,350
surrounding A118. I have provided the board with supporting documentation

3691
06:04:02,350 --> 06:04:06,750
and time stamps from the county's own recorded CPAC meetings.

3692
06:04:07,190 --> 06:04:08,890
At the Carmichael CPAC meeting,

3693
06:04:09,110 --> 06:04:11,570
staff told the community that A118

3694
06:04:11,890 --> 06:04:13,470
made only two changes,

3695
06:04:13,930 --> 06:04:17,270
lowering the decision-making body and lowering the cost.

3696
06:04:17,590 --> 06:04:19,830
But there is another very important change.

3697
06:04:20,290 --> 06:04:24,110
A118 eliminates the existing preponderance criteria

3698
06:04:24,590 --> 06:04:27,630
needed to determine whether these taller fences

3699
06:04:27,630 --> 06:04:30,170
are consistent with what predominate

3700
06:04:30,170 --> 06:04:31,390
in the surrounding neighborhood.

3701
06:04:31,390 --> 06:04:34,350
This was not a minor administrative detail.

3702
06:04:34,790 --> 06:04:45,230
For neighborhoods like mine, that finding is an important protection of established open space neighborhood character, the enjoyment of neighboring properties and potentially property values.

3703
06:04:45,610 --> 06:04:50,910
I also asked the board to look carefully at the two reasons presented for this amendment.

3704
06:04:51,390 --> 06:04:57,590
First, the planning director is already the decision maker under the existing minor use permit process.

3705
06:04:57,590 --> 06:05:04,630
list. Second, residents already have access to an approximately $1,400 minor use permit

3706
06:05:04,630 --> 06:05:11,190
process for these fence deviations. They are not necessarily required to pursue a roughly

3707
06:05:11,190 --> 06:05:17,510
9,500 variance simply to make this kind of request. Now that these discrepancies have

3708
06:05:17,510 --> 06:05:22,890
been specifically brought to the Board's attention before our final action, I respectfully

3709
06:05:22,890 --> 06:05:29,650
ask a cautious and transparent approach to be done. Please sever A118 from today's package,

3710
06:05:30,030 --> 06:05:35,890
allowing the remaining amendments to proceed and send A118 back for accurate public disclosure

3711
06:05:35,890 --> 06:05:41,930
and review. That protects the public process, affected neighborhoods, and the integrity of

3712
06:05:41,930 --> 06:05:43,990
this board's decision. Please wrap it up, Marie.

3713
06:05:47,560 --> 06:05:50,100
And we have no additional speakers online.

3714
06:05:50,320 --> 06:05:50,980
Did she get cut off?

3715
06:05:55,360 --> 06:05:58,320
Okay, so we have, all

3716
06:06:00,530 --> 06:06:01,830
right, we'll entertain a motion.

3717
06:06:04,980 --> 06:06:06,140
Move staff recommendation.

3718
06:06:07,280 --> 06:06:08,820
Okay, we have a motion on the second.

3719
06:06:10,380 --> 06:06:11,120
Please vote.

3720
06:06:14,370 --> 06:06:17,810
That motion passes 4-0 with Supervisor Hume absent.

3721
06:06:18,610 --> 06:06:20,190
Thank you, Matthew, for the presentation.

3722
06:06:20,550 --> 06:06:20,810
Great job.

3723
06:06:24,660 --> 06:06:25,500
All right, next item, please.

3724
06:06:25,600 --> 06:06:27,800
The next item on our agenda is number 33.

3725
06:06:28,060 --> 06:06:32,140
This is the overview of Sacramento County Code Enforcement Operations Acceptance.

3726
06:06:32,140 --> 06:06:35,520
continued from July 14th where it was item 68.

3727
06:06:35,940 --> 06:06:36,260
And

3728
06:06:54,250 --> 06:06:55,550
I do not have my mic on.

3729
06:06:56,090 --> 06:06:56,470
Thank you.

3730
06:06:57,870 --> 06:07:00,030
This was like Zoom revisited.

3731
06:07:01,830 --> 06:07:04,610
I'm here to introduce item 33 on the agenda.

3732
06:07:05,610 --> 06:07:10,570
Sacramento County appointed Mike Sanchez as the Chief of Code Enforcement last year.

3733
06:07:11,070 --> 06:07:16,670
During his transition, Mike and his team have had the opportunity to review and analyze code programs

3734
06:07:16,670 --> 06:07:21,870
and to adjust these programs to meet the county and community needs. Today, Mike will give an

3735
06:07:21,870 --> 06:07:26,350
overview of the current code enforcement activities and seek your input on two topics regarding

3736
06:07:26,350 --> 06:07:31,290
vacant properties and un-maintained or dilapidated buildings. With that, I'd like to introduce Mike

3737
06:07:31,290 --> 06:07:37,950
and hit for his presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, Madam Chair,

3738
06:07:38,310 --> 06:07:41,750
members of the board. Hi, Mike. Mike Sanchez with Sat County Code Enforcement.

3739
06:07:41,750 --> 06:07:43,630
I'd like to apologize in advance.

3740
06:07:43,830 --> 06:07:47,990
I don't have as many cool words as Matthew, so I'll work on that for next time.

3741
06:07:48,950 --> 06:07:51,010
But I can assure you we're not dilly-dallying either.

3742
06:07:51,990 --> 06:07:57,030
You have to incorporate the two words adult hog into your presentation.

3743
06:07:58,750 --> 06:07:59,850
I'll work on that one.

3744
06:08:02,080 --> 06:08:05,820
So I meet with you today as my Director Troy Givens mentioned for a couple of reasons.

3745
06:08:06,340 --> 06:08:09,080
First, to provide an overview of Sacramento County Cove Enforcement,

3746
06:08:09,080 --> 06:08:13,120
enforcement, how we're structured, our programs, what we enforce, and just a general breakdown

3747
06:08:13,120 --> 06:08:17,940
of the division. And then second, we will get into topics regarding vacant, blighted

3748
06:08:17,940 --> 06:08:23,800
buildings. I'll do my best to work, move along as quickly as possible, but there's a lot

3749
06:08:23,800 --> 06:08:27,440
of detailed information, so please interrupt me if you have questions or comments.

3750
06:08:27,820 --> 06:08:28,460
We're good at that.

3751
06:08:32,770 --> 06:08:36,710
So the first slide, I put some numbers that I think really stand out. On the left,

3752
06:08:36,930 --> 06:08:40,810
Sacramento County as a whole is the eighth largest county in California by population.

3753
06:08:40,810 --> 06:08:43,710
It is also the 43rd largest county by area.

3754
06:08:44,570 --> 06:08:47,010
I think this shows how densely populated the county is.

3755
06:08:47,630 --> 06:08:51,770
Underneath those numbers, the population and square miles of unincorporated Sacramento County.

3756
06:08:52,710 --> 06:08:57,930
On the right, I have some statistics of unincorporated Sacramento County from a code enforcement perspective.

3757
06:08:58,510 --> 06:09:06,110
There are almost 186,000 parcels in unincorporated Sacramento County, and we have about 90,000 registered rental units.

3758
06:09:06,550 --> 06:09:08,910
I'll break these numbers down a little bit further throughout my presentation.

3759
06:09:08,910 --> 06:09:09,650
So

3760
06:09:13,040 --> 06:09:18,020
this is a little bit about what we do, mainly on property enforcement of the Sacramento

3761
06:09:18,020 --> 06:09:20,840
County zoning code and select sections of the nuisance code.

3762
06:09:21,120 --> 06:09:25,500
We have a rental housing and housing enforcement of select sections of the health and safety

3763
06:09:25,500 --> 06:09:29,940
code, and then some additional programs and functions in partnership with other agencies

3764
06:09:29,940 --> 06:09:31,140
within Sacramento County.

3765
06:09:35,680 --> 06:09:37,080
This is a breakdown of our staffing.

3766
06:09:37,460 --> 06:09:42,480
Code enforcement has 43 total officers, which includes management, as well as 15 administrative

3767
06:09:42,480 --> 06:09:46,580
staff and I've broken down each of the teams that we have separated into

3768
06:09:46,580 --> 06:09:49,040
zoning, housing, and a special investigations team.

3769
06:09:54,200 --> 06:09:55,200
Slide five dives

3770
06:09:55,200 --> 06:09:58,680
into our zoning team. The zoning team counts for about half of our division.

3771
06:09:59,340 --> 06:10:02,400
Everything listed here is a separate program that officers are required to

3772
06:10:02,400 --> 06:10:06,900
know and enforce. As you may be able to see some programs have little letters

3773
06:10:06,900 --> 06:10:16,060
and asterisks next to them, AH stands for after-hours programs which at

3774
06:10:16,060 --> 06:10:19,680
of MA, which is a multi-agency program in which we are required to work with

3775
06:10:19,680 --> 06:10:24,060
different agencies within Sacramento County. And then the asterisks are next

3776
06:10:24,060 --> 06:10:28,140
to programs that we have added to the division without any additional funding

3777
06:10:28,140 --> 06:10:31,360
or staffing. So there's a lot of stuff going on with our zoning team.

3778
06:10:35,470 --> 06:10:35,830
Now I

3779
06:10:35,830 --> 06:10:39,910
break down the housing team. The housing team program always, I'm sorry,

3780
06:10:39,990 --> 06:10:44,010
also consists of slightly less than half of our division. All of the listed

3781
06:10:44,010 --> 06:10:46,830
programs, the housing team is responsible for knowing and enforcing

3782
06:10:46,830 --> 06:10:51,750
as well. And again, I break it down with after hours programs, multi-agency programs

3783
06:10:51,750 --> 06:10:57,610
and additional programs. I'd like to take a second to focus on the SB 721 balcony reports

3784
06:10:57,610 --> 06:11:04,370
as that is a state mandated law. And we are required, every multi-family agency is required

3785
06:11:04,370 --> 06:11:08,930
to have a third party contractor inspect the balconies of their property and submit

3786
06:11:08,930 --> 06:11:12,910
a report. We gather all of those reports and then work with the building inspections

3787
06:11:12,910 --> 06:11:19,210
inspections unit to provide permits and make sure that any repairs or stuff needs to be

3788
06:11:19,210 --> 06:11:26,510
completed. AB 130 is also a new state mandated law in which there are required inspections

3789
06:11:26,510 --> 06:11:30,970
yearly of all of the homeless shelters. We're currently working with other jurisdictions

3790
06:11:30,970 --> 06:11:35,370
and agencies within Sacramento County to ensure that those shelters are inspected

3791
06:11:35,370 --> 06:11:39,750
routinely as well as any complaints that come in the jurisdiction is required to

3792
06:11:39,750 --> 06:11:40,110
respond.

3793
06:11:44,240 --> 06:11:45,120
Supervisor Kennedy.

3794
06:11:45,760 --> 06:11:46,340
Thank you.

3795
06:11:46,860 --> 06:11:51,280
Going back to the last slide, those last two bullets where you have the legislation,

3796
06:11:51,680 --> 06:11:52,800
the balcony and the homeless shelters.

3797
06:11:53,640 --> 06:11:57,300
I take it that, you know, we focus on the unincorporate areas,

3798
06:11:57,380 --> 06:12:02,480
but those laws are also applicable in the incorporated areas where other agencies

3799
06:12:02,480 --> 06:12:05,200
in the incorporated areas take the lead, correct?

3800
06:12:05,820 --> 06:12:06,660
To some extent, yes.

3801
06:12:06,920 --> 06:12:10,800
So if the population is less than 90,000,

3802
06:12:10,800 --> 06:12:16,420
the local jurisdiction is not required to conduct the yearly inspections so for

3803
06:12:16,420 --> 06:12:19,240
example there are certain jurisdictions that we're working with to potentially go

3804
06:12:19,240 --> 06:12:22,800
outside of our jurisdiction of unincorporated and conduct those

3805
06:12:22,800 --> 06:12:26,680
inspections in those jurisdictions. That makes sense I'm glad I asked the

3806
06:12:26,680 --> 06:12:31,280
question I had no idea I mean a balcony in a smaller jurisdictions no less

3807
06:12:31,280 --> 06:12:35,060
dangerous one than a larger one so okay thank you.

3808
06:12:38,410 --> 06:12:39,590
Just gonna just make a

3809
06:12:39,590 --> 06:12:46,690
comment several years ago. I want to say maybe like 10, 12 years ago. I never forgot this.

3810
06:12:47,330 --> 06:12:55,610
In Berkeley, there was a bunch of people on a balcony that balcony fell and it killed

3811
06:12:55,610 --> 06:13:01,690
some people. But at that time, I just remember thinking, how did it get so far that they

3812
06:13:01,690 --> 06:13:06,430
didn't know that the wood was decaying or I don't know what the terminology is

3813
06:13:06,430 --> 06:13:12,010
by that. And people ended up dying. So I just remember the seriousness of making sure that

3814
06:13:12,010 --> 06:13:13,130
balconies get inspected.

3815
06:13:13,850 --> 06:13:16,530
Yeah. And I think that's somewhat what triggered these laws that go into effect.

3816
06:13:19,860 --> 06:13:24,440
So slide seven, this is our special investigations team. They are responsible for illegal dumping

3817
06:13:24,440 --> 06:13:28,760
investigations, commercial waste enforcement, edible food recovery, and illegal haulers.

3818
06:13:29,220 --> 06:13:32,080
And this team is partially funded by the Department of Waste Management. We have

3819
06:13:32,080 --> 06:13:33,060
a good partnership with them.

3820
06:13:36,010 --> 06:13:37,810
And now I'll go a little more in depth into our

3821
06:13:37,810 --> 06:13:38,430
zoning enforcement.

3822
06:13:42,460 --> 06:13:47,120
So again some statistics about the zoning team. So each zoning officer

3823
06:13:47,120 --> 06:13:53,780
is required to cover about 51 square miles, about 40,000 constituents, and about 12,400

3824
06:13:53,780 --> 06:13:58,880
parcels. So you can kind of see the magnitude of how much we need to enforce and how many

3825
06:13:58,880 --> 06:14:04,840
people we work with almost on a daily basis. One thing to note is that constituents

3826
06:14:04,840 --> 06:14:07,480
of constituents per zoning officer, 40,183.

3827
06:14:07,960 --> 06:14:09,520
That's a pretty high number.

3828
06:14:10,640 --> 06:14:14,120
We've issued a poll amongst 20 other jurisdictions

3829
06:14:14,120 --> 06:14:16,060
within California, local as well.

3830
06:14:16,880 --> 06:14:19,240
Out of the 20, we are third to last.

3831
06:14:19,440 --> 06:14:20,780
So we have the third highest number

3832
06:14:20,780 --> 06:14:22,680
of constituents per zoning officer.

3833
06:14:23,480 --> 06:14:26,060
The top two are from much smaller jurisdictions.

3834
06:14:26,980 --> 06:14:28,360
Number one is Sutter County.

3835
06:14:28,480 --> 06:14:31,260
They have about 97,000 and they have two officers.

3836
06:14:31,260 --> 06:14:35,840
officers, and then Amador is about 42,000 population, and they have one officer.

3837
06:14:36,640 --> 06:14:40,020
So there's a lot of, you know, communication that we rely on with the public.

3838
06:14:44,230 --> 06:14:48,550
Also a local, I'm sorry, not a local, but a study was completed amongst code enforcement.

3839
06:14:49,610 --> 06:14:55,690
In order for there to be efficient code enforcement enforcement, they came up with

3840
06:14:55,690 --> 06:14:57,310
the number of about 10,000 cons...

3841
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:04,280
All of these situations per officer in order for us to have an impact on the areas around

3842
06:15:04,280 --> 06:15:08,000
us. So I thought that information was interesting and wanted to share it.

3843
06:15:15,600 --> 06:15:16,840
Here we break down again

3844
06:15:16,840 --> 06:15:21,980
zoning enforcement and the investigations, all of the different codes and violations

3845
06:15:21,980 --> 06:15:28,420
that we enforce. One thing to note as well, excuse me, is the

3846
06:15:28,420 --> 06:15:33,320
weed abatement. So every year between May and August is fire season. And we work

3847
06:15:33,320 --> 06:15:36,780
with sac metro fire to enforce overgrown, dry, dead vegetation.

3848
06:15:37,800 --> 06:15:43,540
So once fire season is declared, any property that has the overgrown dead vegetation is

3849
06:15:43,540 --> 06:15:47,840
referred to us, Code Enforcement, and we go out there, conduct inspections, reach out

3850
06:15:47,840 --> 06:15:53,180
to property owners, and at times conduct abatements of those weeds to ensure that fires

3851
06:15:53,180 --> 06:15:55,960
do not start and spread across Sacramento County.

3852
06:15:56,920 --> 06:16:00,980
Again, that is something that we've taken on to help our partners and it is a very

3853
06:16:00,980 --> 06:16:09,400
busy time for us between May and oh thank you. Does the county use the cute little goats?

3854
06:16:10,260 --> 06:16:16,860
Yes, so we do work with companies that use those. I heard recently that there was some

3855
06:16:16,860 --> 06:16:21,320
law going into effect that may make that more difficult, but I haven't gotten as far

3856
06:16:21,320 --> 06:16:24,420
as to see how that will affect us in the future. But yes, we have worked with plenty

3857
06:16:24,420 --> 06:16:26,100
of companies that use the goats.

3858
06:16:32,410 --> 06:16:35,210
Part of our zoning team consists of nuisance

3859
06:16:35,210 --> 06:16:40,590
abatements. So Sacramento County Code allows code enforcement the ability to abate certain

3860
06:16:40,590 --> 06:16:48,110
nuisance violations through Article 9 summary abatement, Sacramento County Code 1618. Items

3861
06:16:48,110 --> 06:16:53,290
that we abate generally consist of junk and rubbish, vehicles and cargo containers as

3862
06:16:53,290 --> 06:16:59,930
well as overgrown dried vegetation. Also, if there is a vacant parcel that is constantly

3863
06:16:59,930 --> 06:17:05,430
being dumped on, people are breaking into it. At times we will fence the property as

3864
06:17:05,430 --> 06:17:07,790
a measure to try to help ease some of those violations.

3865
06:17:17,480 --> 06:17:21,180
Slide 12 is the nuisance abatement process. So something to note is that this process

3866
06:17:21,180 --> 06:17:26,180
does take time due to due process. So first, we must conduct multiple inspections of

3867
06:17:26,180 --> 06:17:30,320
the property and ensure that violations remain. If a violation goes away and comes

3868
06:17:30,320 --> 06:17:35,320
back, that process essentially starts all over again. Once the property is inspected,

3869
06:17:35,320 --> 06:17:38,620
we posted with a notice and order for a nuisance hearing.

3870
06:17:39,400 --> 06:17:41,640
That nuisance hearing is usually about a couple months out

3871
06:17:41,640 --> 06:17:43,460
due to the timeframe and due process

3872
06:17:43,460 --> 06:17:44,800
of notifying the property owner.

3873
06:17:45,640 --> 06:17:47,000
After that nuisance hearing occurs,

3874
06:17:47,160 --> 06:17:49,900
there's another wait for the nuisance hearing officer

3875
06:17:49,900 --> 06:17:50,840
to make their decision.

3876
06:17:51,960 --> 06:17:53,320
Once the decision is made,

3877
06:17:53,380 --> 06:17:54,640
assuming they find in our favor,

3878
06:17:55,220 --> 06:17:59,800
we then contract contractors to conduct the work

3879
06:17:59,800 --> 06:18:00,720
on the abatement,

3880
06:18:01,220 --> 06:18:03,500
and then we conduct the abatement at the very end.

3881
06:18:03,980 --> 06:18:07,640
Again, this takes a lot of time, a lot of scheduling with the contractors.

3882
06:18:08,340 --> 06:18:11,700
Something we've been struggling with a bit is getting contractors out there in a timely

3883
06:18:11,700 --> 06:18:12,020
manner.

3884
06:18:12,240 --> 06:18:16,060
Again, during weed abatement season, there's a handful of contractors that conduct all

3885
06:18:16,060 --> 06:18:19,200
of the weed abatement, and it takes a long time for them to schedule with us.

3886
06:18:20,320 --> 06:18:23,700
Do you then charge the property owner for all the work that you do?

3887
06:18:23,820 --> 06:18:23,980
Yes.

3888
06:18:24,160 --> 06:18:25,020
It is all cost recovery.

3889
06:18:25,180 --> 06:18:25,760
It goes to the property.

3890
06:18:29,830 --> 06:18:30,570
Supervisor Kennedy.

3891
06:18:31,690 --> 06:18:36,470
Since you brought up the whole thing of contrary, do we have a maintain a list

3892
06:18:36,470 --> 06:18:40,370
of qualified content that we pre-qualified so that we could cut down that process?

3893
06:18:40,710 --> 06:18:47,610
Yes. So we have people that qualify. If there are certain jobs that need to be done and

3894
06:18:47,610 --> 06:18:52,170
the contractors for some reason can't complete those jobs, we can go outside of those contracts

3895
06:18:52,170 --> 06:18:55,930
to search for additional contractors. But we have a list that is on contract with

3896
06:18:55,930 --> 06:18:57,970
us that we work with them through.

3897
06:18:58,410 --> 06:19:03,010
Just plain devil's advocate, it takes a long time to get them out there because

3898
06:19:03,010 --> 06:19:05,810
there's a limited number, should we expand the list?

3899
06:19:06,370 --> 06:19:07,030
So we try.

3900
06:19:07,310 --> 06:19:11,850
It's all about who can afford the insurance for part of the contract.

3901
06:19:12,810 --> 06:19:14,170
And then, again, just the timeframe.

3902
06:19:14,610 --> 06:19:17,470
We do look into that quite a bit and work on that.

3903
06:19:18,290 --> 06:19:18,710
Thank you.

3904
06:19:19,730 --> 06:19:22,130
And if I may, Mike, can you go back to that slide?

3905
06:19:23,090 --> 06:19:27,910
I know there may be a delay on the back end based on the issue we just discussed,

3906
06:19:28,010 --> 06:19:30,930
but that front end takes a lot of time as well.

3907
06:19:30,930 --> 06:19:35,870
And I've talked to constituents probably from every one of your districts about frustrations

3908
06:19:35,870 --> 06:19:40,330
they see with the property next to them and why is it taking so long to get rid of this

3909
06:19:40,330 --> 06:19:41,330
junk and rubbish, right?

3910
06:19:41,790 --> 06:19:46,890
And it's not because we're failing to act or dilly-dallying as Mike had mentioned before.

3911
06:19:47,330 --> 06:19:51,730
It's because of that due process and the required legal steps we're obligated to

3912
06:19:51,730 --> 06:19:53,550
take to get to that final conclusion.

3913
06:19:53,850 --> 06:19:57,530
So I don't know, Mike, if you could provide any sort of frame of reference as to how

3914
06:19:57,530 --> 06:20:02,170
how long it may take between the front of that process and when we get to our discussions

3915
06:20:02,170 --> 06:20:04,070
with the contractor, let alone abatement?

3916
06:20:04,330 --> 06:20:04,770
Yeah.

3917
06:20:04,970 --> 06:20:08,950
I mean, to be honest, if everything goes in a perfect world, I would say about six months,

3918
06:20:09,290 --> 06:20:13,370
that is conducting an inspection every month, that is waiting for the hearing to occur,

3919
06:20:13,550 --> 06:20:17,910
the posting of the hearing, you know, the decision, finding contractors, scheduling

3920
06:20:17,910 --> 06:20:21,470
with the contractors, and that also doesn't take into account, you know, I've noticed,

3921
06:20:21,790 --> 06:20:23,170
written up there a warrant.

3922
06:20:23,610 --> 06:20:26,790
So if certain properties don't allow us onto their property, we have to go through

3923
06:20:26,790 --> 06:20:32,310
illegal avenue of obtaining a warrant, attempting an inspection with a warrant.

3924
06:20:32,550 --> 06:20:35,570
If that doesn't go through, we've got to go back to the courts to get a forcible warrant.

3925
06:20:36,010 --> 06:20:40,610
So there's a lot of hurdles in our path of going down this abatement process.

3926
06:20:41,510 --> 06:20:42,890
That is just crazy.

3927
06:20:43,110 --> 06:20:43,410
Six months.

3928
06:20:43,630 --> 06:20:44,230
Supervisor Kennedy.

3929
06:20:45,250 --> 06:20:45,810
Thank you.

3930
06:20:46,430 --> 06:20:48,330
Yeah, I mean, I completely understand.

3931
06:20:48,530 --> 06:20:52,110
I mean, everybody needs their due process, and we don't need to get sued because

3932
06:20:52,110 --> 06:20:57,850
because we overlooked a step and I get all that and please don't take this as me trying

3933
06:20:57,850 --> 06:21:01,450
to tell you from up here how to do your work, you know better than I.

3934
06:21:02,830 --> 06:21:09,490
But I've got to ask a question, have we gone out and looked at other jurisdictions to get

3935
06:21:09,490 --> 06:21:14,250
best practices as are there other jurisdictions maybe doing it differently, which leads to

3936
06:21:14,250 --> 06:21:15,290
a better outcome?

3937
06:21:15,450 --> 06:21:19,050
I mean, six months, I get it, six months go pretty quick when you're doing the due

3938
06:21:19,050 --> 06:21:20,270
process stuff.

3939
06:21:20,270 --> 06:21:24,510
But if you're living next door, it doesn't seem like it's the, you know, quit.

3940
06:21:25,330 --> 06:21:29,490
So are we looking at, you know, maximizing our efforts by looking at what others are doing

3941
06:21:29,490 --> 06:21:30,490
and maybe absolutely.

3942
06:21:31,750 --> 06:21:34,910
So I've started a lot of those conversations since I've come on as chief talking to the

3943
06:21:34,910 --> 06:21:39,070
city, Rancho, El Grove, just to see how everyone else does things and how quickly

3944
06:21:39,070 --> 06:21:40,070
that process works.

3945
06:21:40,650 --> 06:21:44,170
Another difficulty is just the overall authority between jurisdictions.

3946
06:21:45,490 --> 06:21:47,510
Every jurisdiction with code enforcement is different.

3947
06:21:47,510 --> 06:21:53,950
I have not been able to find two that have been exactly the same, so yeah, that's County world. Yeah, so it's it's a little difficult

3948
06:21:53,950 --> 06:21:58,950
But we do check everything that we can do and talk with other jurisdictions to figure out how to make our process is better

3949
06:21:58,950 --> 06:21:59,810
Thank you.

3950
06:22:03,400 --> 06:22:07,460
We've also said something. I just popped into my mind. We've been working on settlement and abatement agreements

3951
06:22:07,460 --> 06:22:10,380
So this is something that we're trying to utilize a little bit more

3952
06:22:10,380 --> 06:22:14,780
To work with the property owner and hopefully avoid the nuisance hearing

3953
06:22:14,780 --> 06:22:17,520
It's basically a contract between us and the property owner

3954
06:22:17,520 --> 06:22:21,300
we give them a time frame of hey you're going to work towards compliance if you don't make it

3955
06:22:21,300 --> 06:22:26,200
then we can conduct that abatement in somewhat of a quicker avenue so we've been trying that a

3956
06:22:26,200 --> 06:22:29,860
little bit more and of course that takes property owner compliance as well.

3957
06:22:35,460 --> 06:22:36,400
So now I'll go into

3958
06:22:36,400 --> 06:22:44,940
housing so again a quick little fact we have about 18,000 rental units per housing officer

3959
06:22:44,940 --> 06:22:50,080
for inspections that number is pretty high inspections and audits are conducted routinely

3960
06:22:50,080 --> 06:22:55,520
and timely multi-family rental housing inspection program cases remain open monthly and yearly

3961
06:22:55,520 --> 06:23:00,400
inspections depending on the violations that are present. Housing complaints must be responded

3962
06:23:00,400 --> 06:23:04,580
to within 15 days as mandated by state law. So that puts a lot of pressure on us to get

3963
06:23:04,580 --> 06:23:08,960
out there very quickly and respond to a lot of these violations. And then surfacing sewage

3964
06:23:08,960 --> 06:23:14,200
complaints that is an on-call 24-7 program. So if they're surfacing sewage from a

3965
06:23:14,200 --> 06:23:18,420
residential or multi-family property, we are required to go out there and solve it,

3966
06:23:18,420 --> 06:23:23,400
work with the property owner, find the sewer district to clean it up and make sure that it's stopped.

3967
06:23:23,940 --> 06:23:31,420
On the priority level, where is a call, when a call comes in related to housing enforcement,

3968
06:23:32,660 --> 06:23:38,240
say the water is not working or the heat or something, but does that go to the very top

3969
06:23:38,240 --> 06:23:43,760
as a priority? So it does. I think my next slide actually will jump into a couple slides

3970
06:23:43,760 --> 06:23:44,120
Thanks for now.

3971
06:23:44,280 --> 06:23:44,940
Adjusting to priorities.

3972
06:23:45,080 --> 06:23:45,480
Okay, perfect.

3973
06:23:45,640 --> 06:23:46,340
Supervisor Dozen.

3974
06:23:46,700 --> 06:23:47,860
Thank you, Madam Chair.

3975
06:23:48,040 --> 06:23:51,540
And I'll have a few additional questions at the end, Mike, but since you're on this,

3976
06:23:51,580 --> 06:23:55,420
you talked about this a little bit for your zoning enforcement and the number of officers

3977
06:23:55,420 --> 06:23:59,640
you have per constituents, and we are actually, we lag behind everybody.

3978
06:24:00,200 --> 06:24:03,520
Was that statewide that they're the, were the third worst or just in the region?

3979
06:24:04,280 --> 06:24:04,540
It was statewide, yeah.

3980
06:24:04,540 --> 06:24:05,940
You talked about, oh, really, okay.

3981
06:24:06,000 --> 06:24:06,280
Jurisdiction is statewide.

3982
06:24:06,460 --> 06:24:09,560
It wasn't every single jurisdiction, just 20 of them, but it was all up and

3983
06:24:09,560 --> 06:24:09,920
down the state.

3984
06:24:10,020 --> 06:24:11,920
And how about on this housing enforcement?

3985
06:24:11,920 --> 06:24:14,040
and how do we stack up in terms of the number

3986
06:24:14,040 --> 06:24:17,260
of officers per rental units?

3987
06:24:17,620 --> 06:24:20,100
So that is a little more of a difficult number to get.

3988
06:24:20,280 --> 06:24:23,000
Not every jurisdiction is required to have a housing program.

3989
06:24:23,640 --> 06:24:25,660
They are just required to respond to housing complaints.

3990
06:24:25,860 --> 06:24:28,380
So Sacramento County is one of the biggest housing programs

3991
06:24:28,380 --> 06:24:30,880
in the state, so it's hard to kind of get

3992
06:24:30,880 --> 06:24:32,280
numbers of that status.

3993
06:24:32,640 --> 06:24:34,020
But if I can find something,

3994
06:24:34,140 --> 06:24:35,420
I'll absolutely leave it back to you.

3995
06:24:39,310 --> 06:24:42,030
So here's a little history about our housing program

3996
06:24:42,030 --> 06:24:44,650
in 1993, the Sacramento Housing Code was enacted

3997
06:24:44,650 --> 06:24:49,930
As mandated per state law and then in 2008 Sacramento County adopted the rental housing ordinance

3998
06:24:57,470 --> 06:25:00,510
So this slide shows a list of the programs within each team

3999
06:25:00,510 --> 06:25:05,070
Our housing team is kind of split up into two our rental housing program which conducts the annual

4000
06:25:05,070 --> 06:25:05,890
repetitive

4001
06:25:06,590 --> 06:25:13,490
inspections of multifamily and rental units and then the substandard housing which responds to the priorities and any complaints that come in for a

4002
06:25:13,490 --> 06:25:14,270
rental property

4003
06:25:19,610 --> 06:25:23,310
All rental properties are required to register and pay a registration fee

4004
06:25:23,310 --> 06:25:27,870
routine inspections are conducted on a five-year basis. Obviously violations and

4005
06:25:27,870 --> 06:25:31,850
audits have a much shorter timeline. Properties can self-certify and conduct

4006
06:25:31,850 --> 06:25:35,930
their own inspections and then problem properties take priority and are

4007
06:25:35,930 --> 06:25:39,490
inspected on a yearly basis. And again, complaints are required to be

4008
06:25:39,490 --> 06:25:42,890
inspected within 15 days from issuance. And Mike, just real quick,

4009
06:25:43,270 --> 06:25:49,230
Reynolds just multi-family or apart. I'm sorry? For properties that are

4010
06:25:49,230 --> 06:25:54,450
inspected, all rental properties, no that page, the one you were just at, are required

4011
06:25:54,450 --> 06:25:55,070
to register.

4012
06:25:55,370 --> 06:25:57,650
This is not like somebody who's running out their home.

4013
06:25:57,950 --> 06:25:58,710
These are...

4014
06:25:58,710 --> 06:25:59,150
No, yeah.

4015
06:25:59,410 --> 06:25:59,830
Every rental.

4016
06:26:00,050 --> 06:26:00,830
Every rental property.

4017
06:26:01,010 --> 06:26:03,930
If you rent out a home or, you know, multi-family, you're required to register.

4018
06:26:04,350 --> 06:26:09,810
Do people actually register rentals, or is...

4019
06:26:09,810 --> 06:26:10,090
Yeah.

4020
06:26:10,270 --> 06:26:13,770
So we get a pretty decent number, however, there are properties out there that we're

4021
06:26:13,770 --> 06:26:14,390
not aware of.

4022
06:26:14,690 --> 06:26:16,390
I believe the 90,000 units.

4023
06:26:16,390 --> 06:26:21,970
we estimate there's upwards of 120,000 that are total so about 30,000 are

4024
06:26:22,550 --> 06:26:25,730
unregistered and we do our best to find them and make sure that they're aware of

4025
06:26:25,730 --> 06:26:31,150
this law and ordinance and register with us. What is the registration fee? So we're

4026
06:26:31,150 --> 06:26:35,410
going through a fee study it was previously $16 however we are assuming

4027
06:26:35,410 --> 06:26:38,170
that number is going to go up. Thank you.

4028
06:26:43,920 --> 06:26:45,260
And here we are with the housing

4029
06:26:45,260 --> 06:26:49,940
priorities. So priorities for housing are generally inspected within 24

4030
06:26:49,940 --> 06:26:54,940
hours. They take precedence over everything else, lack of electricity, lack of running water and or

4031
06:26:54,940 --> 06:27:00,740
hot water, lack of heat, surfacing sewage, and structural damage. Those take priority on all of

4032
06:27:00,740 --> 06:27:06,220
the housing stuff. Another consideration is vacant open and accessible homes. This is a property

4033
06:27:06,220 --> 06:27:10,540
that has been vacated and people may be breaking into it. Somebody may drive by and see there's

4034
06:27:10,540 --> 06:27:15,020
an open window or an open door and nobody's living there. We reach out to the property

4035
06:27:15,020 --> 06:27:19,480
owner and give them 72 hours to secure it themselves before we take action and secure

4036
06:27:19,480 --> 06:27:20,420
from code enforcement.

4037
06:27:25,080 --> 06:27:27,460
Now I'll talk briefly about our special investigations team.

4038
06:27:29,880 --> 06:27:30,180
So the

4039
06:27:30,180 --> 06:27:34,400
special investigations team again is funded by Department of Waste Management and Recycling.

4040
06:27:34,880 --> 06:27:39,460
We review about 7,000 illegal dumping complaints per year and we are required to inspect

4041
06:27:39,460 --> 06:27:44,780
every business and multifamily complex to ensure compliance with state mandated refuse

4042
06:27:44,780 --> 06:27:45,680
receptacle laws.

4043
06:27:50,410 --> 06:27:55,010
I'll jump briefly into cost recovery. So the Sacramento County

4044
06:27:55,010 --> 06:27:59,670
zoning code and county code grant code enforcement the authority to recover costs of enforcement

4045
06:27:59,670 --> 06:28:04,770
through a lean confirmation hearing process. Code enforcement and revenue recovery attempt

4046
06:28:04,770 --> 06:28:10,150
to collect outstanding fees from closed cases prior to going to hearing. The county has

4047
06:28:10,150 --> 06:28:14,610
three years from case closure or the date of the last payment before the case can

4048
06:28:14,610 --> 06:28:19,790
go to a hearing. Cases are reviewed multiple times to ensure the fees are accurate. Title

4049
06:28:19,790 --> 06:28:24,130
reports are run to obtain contact information for all parties of interest and the notice

4050
06:28:24,130 --> 06:28:27,650
of public hearing is posted at the property and mailed to all parties of interest as well.

4051
06:28:35,630 --> 06:28:38,750
The hearing process cases with unpaid fees proceed to the hearing.

4052
06:28:39,450 --> 06:28:41,470
Hearings can be contested by the property owner.

4053
06:28:42,330 --> 06:28:46,330
Code enforcement provides evidence at the hearing for the officer to review and then

4054
06:28:46,330 --> 06:28:49,990
the hearing officer makes a final determination once that determination is made.

4055
06:28:50,190 --> 06:28:54,550
If we are found in favor, the property owner has 30 days to pay the fees owed otherwise

4056
06:28:54,550 --> 06:28:56,210
an abatement lien is filed on the property.

4057
06:28:56,710 --> 06:28:59,650
The remaining debt is then rolled over to property taxes for collection.

4058
06:29:01,530 --> 06:29:02,290
Supervisor Desmond.

4059
06:29:02,850 --> 06:29:08,410
So just to confirm, I mean, and you and I have had a lot of discussions about this as I have with County Council.

4060
06:29:09,490 --> 06:29:11,610
So we have a lien on their property.

4061
06:29:11,750 --> 06:29:17,410
If they go to sell their property, I mean, we stand in line after the secured creditor, but that is enforceable.

4062
06:29:17,430 --> 06:29:20,070
They have to pay off that lien when the property sells.

4063
06:29:20,070 --> 06:29:25,130
as we've talked about other mechanisms that maybe other can we can we put

4064
06:29:25,130 --> 06:29:29,390
potentially strengthen anything to more proactively go after people who owe the

4065
06:29:29,390 --> 06:29:33,030
county money because of code enforcement violations and I think we we came to

4066
06:29:33,030 --> 06:29:37,030
conclusion that really we don't have any other options to pursue other than

4067
06:29:37,030 --> 06:29:42,450
this lean process is that correct yes yeah and council may be able to add a

4068
06:29:42,450 --> 06:29:45,490
little bit of color to that I don't know Susie or somebody else I know we've

4069
06:29:45,490 --> 06:29:49,110
been we've had a number of conversations we have tried to explore that

4070
06:29:49,110 --> 06:29:53,250
very thing to try to give ourselves more tools and we kept running into dead ends.

4071
06:29:53,310 --> 06:29:56,150
It's something we would love to do, we just can't find a way to do.

4072
06:29:56,430 --> 06:29:56,850
Thank you.

4073
06:30:02,190 --> 06:30:03,590
So now some of the limitations.

4074
06:30:06,000 --> 06:30:08,540
So while code enforcement can enforce a lot of the ordinances,

4075
06:30:08,700 --> 06:30:13,080
there are certain things that are outside of our authority. So one is essentially public

4076
06:30:13,080 --> 06:30:17,980
property enforcement. Most of what we enforce is on private property, with the exceptions

4077
06:30:17,980 --> 06:30:21,420
of illegal dumping in which we have an MOU with waste management. And then we do have

4078
06:30:21,420 --> 06:30:27,960
a vehicle abatement program, which we enforce abandoned or dismantled vehicles on the

4079
06:30:27,960 --> 06:30:31,640
road. That is different, as you can see from my next point, with parking enforcement.

4080
06:30:31,640 --> 06:30:34,300
We do not enforce parking, that is the Sacramento Sheriff's Office.

4081
06:30:35,460 --> 06:30:41,180
Business license enforcement, business license enforcement, while we do use our violations

4082
06:30:41,180 --> 06:30:45,740
to help the business licensing department make determinations, we have no authority

4083
06:30:45,740 --> 06:30:51,500
over business licensing, environmental enforcement as well, building inspections, you know, conditions

4084
06:30:51,500 --> 06:30:55,280
other than substandard housing, anything to do with the building we don't have enforcement

4085
06:30:55,280 --> 06:30:58,740
over, and then a lot of complaints we get are private and civil.

4086
06:30:58,740 --> 06:30:59,660
The

4087
06:31:05,300 --> 06:31:09,060
future of code enforcement, some things that I feel I've brought to the division.

4088
06:31:09,840 --> 06:31:13,400
So we're taking an increased focus on major violations and projects.

4089
06:31:14,120 --> 06:31:19,000
I really want to make sure that the most difficult cases we have are being reviewed frequently.

4090
06:31:19,460 --> 06:31:25,980
They're being worked on by different officers outside of the box ideas, which will increase

4091
06:31:25,980 --> 06:31:27,060
customer service.

4092
06:31:27,320 --> 06:31:31,320
You know, I'm really big on communication and how we talk to the public, the information

4093
06:31:31,320 --> 06:31:37,060
we provide to the public, outreach, education, again outside the box ideas of how the public

4094
06:31:37,060 --> 06:31:42,300
can work with us and learn more about what we do. And then a quicker response and follow-up.

4095
06:31:42,900 --> 06:31:46,240
I'm trying to take more initiative on getting out to properties more frequently,

4096
06:31:46,880 --> 06:31:51,180
decreasing the time in between inspections to ensure that the property owners are aware of

4097
06:31:51,180 --> 06:31:53,740
what they need to do and that we're reaching towards compliance.

4098
06:31:57,350 --> 06:31:58,070
And again, some of the

4099
06:31:58,070 --> 06:32:01,790
goals, visible results. You know, I want to drive down the street and see that we've

4100
06:32:01,790 --> 06:32:02,890
made a change in the community,

4101
06:32:03,150 --> 06:32:04,630
as I'm sure everyone here does as well.

4102
06:32:05,450 --> 06:32:08,370
Outside the box, ideas working with other agencies

4103
06:32:08,370 --> 06:32:10,610
to try to solve problems that may come our way,

4104
06:32:11,110 --> 06:32:12,830
and then more community engagement,

4105
06:32:13,090 --> 06:32:14,730
working with the public, working with the board,

4106
06:32:15,310 --> 06:32:16,750
other agencies to try to figure out

4107
06:32:16,750 --> 06:32:18,130
how we can help Sacramento County.

4108
06:32:23,620 --> 06:32:25,200
And so now, I'll open the discussion

4109
06:32:25,200 --> 06:32:26,540
for vacant buildings.

4110
06:32:28,800 --> 06:32:30,360
Supervisor Desmond in a public session

4111
06:32:30,360 --> 06:32:31,600
had brought this item to the board

4112
06:32:31,600 --> 06:32:33,140
and asked for some research to be conducted.

4113
06:32:33,520 --> 06:32:35,160
So my team has been looking into solutions

4114
06:32:35,160 --> 06:32:38,160
and believe we have some ideas on how to solve some of these problems.

4115
06:32:42,380 --> 06:32:49,400
So starting at around the fourth quarter, we're hoping to embed a BPI inspector with code enforcement to enforce the maintenance of buildings.

4116
06:32:51,710 --> 06:33:01,670
Sacramento County Code 1604 and 1637, the property maintenance code, we feel can be used as a tool to enforce some of the substandard vacant buildings that you're seeing in your districts.

4117
06:33:01,670 --> 06:33:07,170
The inspector will investigate complaints and conduct proactive inspections on un-maintained

4118
06:33:07,170 --> 06:33:11,550
buildings in unincorporated Sacramento County in tandem with Sac County code enforcement.

4119
06:33:11,930 --> 06:33:17,330
Really quick, Mike. How do you become aware of a vacant building?

4120
06:33:18,070 --> 06:33:20,570
Normally complaints or driving around proactively.

4121
06:33:20,830 --> 06:33:25,510
Obviously the officers are out in the field all day, so they take note of something that's becoming dilapidated,

4122
06:33:26,010 --> 06:33:30,410
but essentially the public. The public reaches out to us with issues, something they see.

4123
06:33:30,410 --> 06:33:34,850
Now, we have reached out to other agencies within SAC County to try to answer some of

4124
06:33:34,850 --> 06:33:35,730
that question as well.

4125
06:33:36,230 --> 06:33:42,010
Business licensees, when they expire, looking at leases of buildings, working with other

4126
06:33:42,010 --> 06:33:46,190
agencies within Sacramento County, economic development, I've started building a relationship

4127
06:33:46,190 --> 06:33:50,450
with them to try to figure out where some of these buildings may be at, and then

4128
06:33:50,450 --> 06:33:51,670
just enforcing based off that.

4129
06:33:52,050 --> 06:33:52,390
Thank you.

4130
06:33:52,430 --> 06:33:56,810
We'll also get referrals from POP, and we will get referrals from PBIDs as well.

4131
06:33:57,010 --> 06:33:57,310
Oh yeah.

4132
06:33:57,310 --> 06:34:05,600
And if I may, sometimes from the five on the dice here, so yeah, that is something we're

4133
06:34:05,600 --> 06:34:06,760
very well aware of.

4134
06:34:06,800 --> 06:34:10,340
I know we've had conversations with many of you, including some recent ones of Supervisor

4135
06:34:10,340 --> 06:34:14,320
Kennedy about, you know, some vacant buildings that have been longstanding in your districts.

4136
06:34:14,740 --> 06:34:19,000
So I think both of the sort of policy questions we're going to be asking for your direction

4137
06:34:19,000 --> 06:34:23,240
on today have come from discussions with you, including the vacant property registry

4138
06:34:23,240 --> 06:34:27,360
with Supervisor Desmond bringing that up and then this vacant building issue that

4139
06:34:27,360 --> 06:34:30,580
I know Supervisor Kennedy and others have brought up numerous times over the years.

4140
06:34:32,520 --> 06:34:35,840
Any discussion on potential vacant building tax?

4141
06:34:39,070 --> 06:34:42,790
I think we're going to, we'll touch on that when we get to the next topic, the vacant

4142
06:34:42,790 --> 06:34:45,070
property registry or when we get into it.

4143
06:34:45,090 --> 06:34:47,290
That was something we talked about early on.

4144
06:34:47,390 --> 06:34:51,690
That's not something we're necessarily presenting to you today, but that's the kind of feedback

4145
06:34:51,690 --> 06:34:52,670
we're looking for.

4146
06:34:53,690 --> 06:34:59,530
I would at some point like to have that discussion because there are many vacant

4147
06:34:59,530 --> 06:35:04,770
buildings. I think we all have them in our districts and they do create a nuisance. They attract

4148
06:35:05,610 --> 06:35:12,130
you know homelessness. There's the community members have complaints and so if we make it

4149
06:35:12,130 --> 06:35:19,910
a little more difficult or costly for building owners to just keep them vacant then what's

4150
06:35:19,910 --> 06:35:26,450
the incentive to get some kind of movement. But if we imposed some type of fee or a vacant

4151
06:35:26,450 --> 06:35:31,190
building fee, I think that could hopefully generate some movement on these buildings.

4152
06:35:31,550 --> 06:35:33,890
But that's not now, not today, that's for the future.

4153
06:35:34,310 --> 06:35:35,030
Supervisor Desmond.

4154
06:35:36,070 --> 06:35:37,510
Thank you, Madam Chair.

4155
06:35:37,650 --> 06:35:40,410
And since we're, you know, I'll bring up a few things right now.

4156
06:35:40,530 --> 06:35:46,110
I started this conversation with you and your predecessor about this issue.

4157
06:35:46,250 --> 06:35:49,190
I guess Supervisor Kennedy's brought it up for years, but I only brought it up a year

4158
06:35:49,190 --> 06:35:49,730
and a half ago.

4159
06:35:49,830 --> 06:35:50,150
It was whatever.

4160
06:35:51,310 --> 06:35:54,310
But, you know, one of the things we've talked about, and I've, and I'm going

4161
06:35:54,310 --> 06:35:58,690
I've talked about to the Sacramento Association of Realtors and the California Apartment Association

4162
06:35:59,210 --> 06:36:04,490
is I've tried to tell them, hey, I'm not interested in a tax just on vacant buildings.

4163
06:36:04,650 --> 06:36:09,090
I'm interested in a registration system or mechanism.

4164
06:36:09,370 --> 06:36:15,310
That's what we've talked about based on vacancy and or number of code enforcement

4165
06:36:15,310 --> 06:36:17,150
complaints coming from that property.

4166
06:36:17,410 --> 06:36:22,310
And so then we're creating a nexus between maybe a registration fee we want to charge

4167
06:36:22,310 --> 06:36:27,110
charge, and the amount of additional effort it's taking the county to deal with that

4168
06:36:27,110 --> 06:36:27,470
property.

4169
06:36:27,610 --> 06:36:29,070
And that may include a fee.

4170
06:36:29,130 --> 06:36:33,930
It may include a designated local person that has to be available, you know, during

4171
06:36:33,930 --> 06:36:37,370
certain hours to respond to things and work with code enforcement, because I think that's

4172
06:36:37,370 --> 06:36:41,650
where we're seeing most of the problems is maybe an out-of-town landlord who is

4173
06:36:41,650 --> 06:36:46,110
just not only is it a vacant building, but they're a completely absentee landlord.

4174
06:36:46,330 --> 06:36:49,670
But I think we want a discussion I know we've had for a long time, Mike, is

4175
06:36:49,670 --> 06:36:56,050
is what would the trigger for that be, and we know that this would not be a cost-neutral

4176
06:36:56,570 --> 06:37:03,530
endeavor. So how do we also structure it in such a way where it's maybe we just at least

4177
06:37:03,530 --> 06:37:09,770
start out targeting the most frequent offenders, you know, and see how it goes. But I'm very

4178
06:37:09,770 --> 06:37:12,530
interested to see what you come up with. I know there was some preliminary language

4179
06:37:12,530 --> 06:37:13,350
that we were throwing around.

4180
06:37:13,550 --> 06:37:17,510
There is. Mike, in the next couple of slides in its presentation, is going to

4181
06:37:17,510 --> 06:37:24,610
discuss the vacant property registry concept and hopefully get your feedback. We would

4182
06:37:24,610 --> 06:37:29,210
anticipate coming back to the board at a later date than with a full-fledged program for

4183
06:37:29,210 --> 06:37:34,670
your consideration after this feedback. And it's really designed to work in tandem with

4184
06:37:34,670 --> 06:37:40,110
the building permit inspector or building inspector that we're going to be embedding

4185
06:37:40,110 --> 06:37:45,130
in code enforcement as well. So with the vacant property registry where we have and

4186
06:37:45,130 --> 06:37:50,730
And we can work with property owners early on to hopefully prevent the dilapidation of

4187
06:37:50,730 --> 06:37:56,070
structures and head off issues before with that communication and regular interaction

4188
06:37:56,070 --> 06:37:56,950
with property owners.

4189
06:37:57,310 --> 06:38:02,950
But then we will have the expertise embedded in code enforcement to enforce certain codes

4190
06:38:02,950 --> 06:38:05,670
as well and working in tandem with code enforcement officers.

4191
06:38:06,150 --> 06:38:09,690
And I think that is a great thing because we have, we've struggled with that a little

4192
06:38:09,690 --> 06:38:12,990
bit certainly in relation to some properties in our arcade.

4193
06:38:12,990 --> 06:38:16,890
And so I think having that that person embedded with code is going to be a really positive thing

4194
06:38:16,890 --> 06:38:21,430
I think the next couple of sides Mike. Yeah, we'll hit on some things that will resonate. Yeah

4195
06:38:21,430 --> 06:38:26,430
No, my next bullet point kind of goes into that you know contacting information. Sorry one moment Supervisor Hume

4196
06:38:27,310 --> 06:38:33,530
Thank you chair. Thank you Mike. First of all this slide was not included in the PowerPoint in our packet

4197
06:38:33,530 --> 06:38:39,150
I assume this is kind of late-breaking news. Yes, I made it last week was I'm sorry

4198
06:38:39,150 --> 06:38:41,570
And that's why we have the awkward yellow highlights.

4199
06:38:41,710 --> 06:38:42,390
That's why it's highlighted.

4200
06:38:42,590 --> 06:38:43,610
Yes, yes, correct.

4201
06:38:43,970 --> 06:38:44,870
Yeah, OK, good.

4202
06:38:45,070 --> 06:38:46,490
It's a new slide that's on your back end.

4203
06:38:46,490 --> 06:38:47,150
I picked up on the back end.

4204
06:38:47,370 --> 06:38:47,570
Yeah.

4205
06:38:48,050 --> 06:38:48,530
Hard to miss.

4206
06:38:48,950 --> 06:38:49,990
I wasn't here this morning.

4207
06:38:50,190 --> 06:38:50,630
Yeah, thank you.

4208
06:38:50,890 --> 06:38:52,650
By the way, can you tell me what code section

4209
06:38:52,650 --> 06:38:54,090
deals with adult hogs?

4210
06:38:55,430 --> 06:38:55,830
Cannot.

4211
06:38:56,230 --> 06:38:56,370
OK.

4212
06:38:56,810 --> 06:38:58,310
If you had said there is no code section

4213
06:38:58,310 --> 06:38:59,930
that deals with adult hogs, you

4214
06:38:59,930 --> 06:39:01,350
would have met Supervisor Cernus

4215
06:39:01,350 --> 06:39:03,090
Gauntlet that he threw down by working that

4216
06:39:03,090 --> 06:39:04,590
under your presentation.

4217
06:39:04,870 --> 06:39:06,970
But I just want to kind of pick up

4218
06:39:06,970 --> 06:39:14,210
on what Supervisor Desmond was saying with response to a penalty or some sort of fee

4219
06:39:14,210 --> 06:39:20,430
that's imposed for calls for service, nuisance properties, that sort of thing, I would never

4220
06:39:20,430 --> 06:39:25,570
support a vacant property or vacant building tax because there are too many external forces

4221
06:39:25,570 --> 06:39:29,990
relative to the market, relative to the aesthetic quality of the neighborhood, relative

4222
06:39:29,990 --> 06:39:33,270
to all sorts of things that are beyond that property owner's control that you're

4223
06:39:33,270 --> 06:39:36,070
just going to penalize them year over year because they can't lease up their

4224
06:39:36,070 --> 06:39:39,830
property that's the big hand of government that I can't be on board with.

4225
06:39:42,830 --> 06:39:45,950
So going into the last bullet point was the contact information being

4226
06:39:45,950 --> 06:39:50,550
documented and this is where a vacant property registration would come into

4227
06:39:50,550 --> 06:39:54,110
play. We've been conducting research over the past six to seven months

4228
06:39:54,110 --> 06:39:57,750
looking into other jurisdictions that have implemented something similar, trying

4229
06:39:57,750 --> 06:40:01,290
to see what would work for Sacramento County, what those fees would look like

4230
06:40:01,290 --> 06:40:05,450
and how to go about enforcing it. I think it goes hand-in-hand with the

4231
06:40:05,450 --> 06:40:10,290
vacant building enforcement, then maintaining their building and then registering as well.

4232
06:40:10,850 --> 06:40:15,630
I've also reached out to DTECH to see about when we start this process, if that's the

4233
06:40:15,630 --> 06:40:20,950
direction we take, documenting that information in the county GIS system so that not only

4234
06:40:20,950 --> 06:40:24,750
code enforcement has it, but any county agency can retrieve that contact information

4235
06:40:24,750 --> 06:40:29,350
quickly and be able to reach out to property owners and find solutions to take care of

4236
06:40:29,350 --> 06:40:29,610
problems.

4237
06:40:36,000 --> 06:40:37,020
So next is dangerous buildings.

4238
06:40:37,020 --> 06:40:42,420
buildings. This kind of comes after the vacant, un-maintained building. So Sacramento County

4239
06:40:42,420 --> 06:40:47,940
Code addresses dangerous buildings. A dangerous building means any building structure or premises

4240
06:40:47,940 --> 06:40:51,920
deemed to be dangerous under the provisions. Now there are essentially two categories of

4241
06:40:51,920 --> 06:40:56,020
dangerous buildings. Substandard, un-maintained buildings, and then a building that poses

4242
06:40:56,020 --> 06:41:01,020
an imminent danger that needs to be abated or something needs to happen quickly because

4243
06:41:01,020 --> 06:41:06,040
it's a risk to public health and safety. Code enforcement currently works with the

4244
06:41:06,040 --> 06:41:07,760
building permits and inspection division

4245
06:41:07,760 --> 06:41:10,920
to conduct an evaluation of the building structural stability.

4246
06:41:11,380 --> 06:41:13,460
We then work with property owners in attempt

4247
06:41:13,460 --> 06:41:15,040
to bring the property into compliance

4248
06:41:15,410 --> 06:41:18,060
or conduct a demolition before the county steps in

4249
06:41:18,060 --> 06:41:18,940
to do so themselves.

4250
06:41:19,860 --> 06:41:21,800
And again, summary abatement is an option

4251
06:41:21,800 --> 06:41:23,960
for only imminently hazardous conditions.

4252
06:41:25,540 --> 06:41:27,180
One moment, Mike, Supervisor Kennedy.

4253
06:41:28,640 --> 06:41:30,920
Just so I'm clear on who's doing what.

4254
06:41:32,120 --> 06:41:34,580
Who declares a building a dangerous building?

4255
06:41:34,580 --> 06:41:36,420
Is it you guys or is it building?

4256
06:41:37,240 --> 06:41:39,160
So, technically both.

4257
06:41:39,520 --> 06:41:41,920
If it's imminently dangerous, a safety hazard,

4258
06:41:42,540 --> 06:41:43,740
that would be the building department.

4259
06:41:43,940 --> 06:41:45,680
They have the structural engineers

4260
06:41:45,680 --> 06:41:48,260
that can go in, determine what's safe and what's not.

4261
06:41:48,560 --> 06:41:50,580
Code enforcement doesn't have that ability or training.

4262
06:41:51,040 --> 06:41:52,520
So we work with them hand in hand

4263
06:41:52,520 --> 06:41:53,960
to figure out how to go down that path.

4264
06:41:54,680 --> 06:41:56,320
Okay, and I understand that

4265
06:41:56,320 --> 06:41:58,300
and have been through that down that path myself.

4266
06:41:59,400 --> 06:42:03,620
And our building department is light years,

4267
06:42:03,620 --> 06:42:07,140
ahead of where they were 10 years ago as far as customer service goes.

4268
06:42:07,400 --> 06:42:12,460
So if you're listening, it's certainly not meant as a hit to the building department.

4269
06:42:12,900 --> 06:42:17,860
But I have seen times in which the building department code enforcement, we're not necessarily

4270
06:42:17,860 --> 06:42:21,360
on the same page on that, and it has slowed the process down.

4271
06:42:21,940 --> 06:42:22,500
So absolutely.

4272
06:42:23,160 --> 06:42:25,560
And that's something I've worked on quite a bit since I've come over here, you know,

4273
06:42:25,560 --> 06:42:29,820
building the relationships with other agencies, working on these processes to figure out

4274
06:42:29,820 --> 06:42:32,400
where that disconnect is, why that disconnect is happening

4275
06:42:32,400 --> 06:42:33,380
and how to get past it.

4276
06:42:33,960 --> 06:42:35,700
One of the things, again, going back to communication,

4277
06:42:35,900 --> 06:42:37,260
reaching out to these property owners

4278
06:42:37,680 --> 06:42:39,300
and trying to bring them into compliance first.

4279
06:42:39,600 --> 06:42:41,640
And hopefully they will take some action on their property

4280
06:42:41,640 --> 06:42:43,060
before the county has to step in.

4281
06:42:43,540 --> 06:42:45,580
But I completely agree, we're working on building that

4282
06:42:45,580 --> 06:42:46,780
and I think we're heading in the right direction.

4283
06:42:47,160 --> 06:42:47,420
Thank you.

4284
06:42:47,440 --> 06:42:50,040
I just want to give a little feedback on Sunrise Mall.

4285
06:42:50,140 --> 06:42:53,540
Sunrise Mall sat vacant for, gosh, four or five, six years.

4286
06:42:53,960 --> 06:42:55,980
And there was always conversations about something

4287
06:42:55,980 --> 06:42:58,400
that was happening and the potential of the property.

4288
06:42:58,400 --> 06:43:06,360
and they had several landowners on it, so they started addressing some of the nuances

4289
06:43:06,360 --> 06:43:11,620
that were happening with the mall, and then sure enough there was movement, and now there's

4290
06:43:11,620 --> 06:43:18,100
a plan going forward with the potential recreational facility, but it took, unfortunately, some

4291
06:43:18,100 --> 06:43:23,100
of these costs, and I think it got really high, like I think it was almost a million,

4292
06:43:23,100 --> 06:43:29,180
but at least what it did is that it resulted in positive economic development for the city of

4293
06:43:29,180 --> 06:43:32,940
Citrus Heights. Yeah, absolutely. And again collaboration is something I'm really big on

4294
06:43:32,940 --> 06:43:36,720
you as I've stated with the building department. I've been working with economic development to

4295
06:43:36,720 --> 06:43:40,800
try to solve some of these issues, getting in contact with property owners and reaching out

4296
06:43:40,800 --> 06:43:43,640
to these property owners and seeing where they're struggling or where they're stuck at,

4297
06:43:44,080 --> 06:43:47,320
reaching out to some of the buildings Kennedy has brought forth and talking to the property

4298
06:43:47,320 --> 06:43:51,580
owners to see why is this building where it is at right now and just listening to them

4299
06:43:51,580 --> 06:43:54,960
real a little bit and then figuring out where they can go from here. So bringing

4300
06:43:54,960 --> 06:43:58,600
everybody together on the same page and then finding a solution to move forward.

4301
06:43:58,860 --> 06:44:03,060
Yeah, that's great. And very quickly on both the mall issue and back to

4302
06:44:03,060 --> 06:44:06,720
Supervisor Kennedy's comments, we have had issues in our own malls in the

4303
06:44:06,720 --> 06:44:10,800
unincorporated area where we've had both code and building trying to sort of

4304
06:44:10,800 --> 06:44:14,580
fared out sort of where the issue lands. And I do think that's why I give

4305
06:44:14,580 --> 06:44:19,680
a lot of kudos to Troy. Embedding that building inspector in code

4306
06:44:19,680 --> 06:44:24,860
enforcement. That's a change we're making right now. Historically, I don't know if we've

4307
06:44:24,860 --> 06:44:28,660
ever done that prior. I think that's going to help both divisions tremendously, where

4308
06:44:28,660 --> 06:44:33,760
we have that person in code enforcement that can address those issues imminently, and

4309
06:44:33,760 --> 06:44:38,640
also probably educate code staff too on some building issues, and vice versa. Code can

4310
06:44:38,640 --> 06:44:42,440
educate building a little bit more as well, so I think that's going to be a really

4311
06:44:42,440 --> 06:44:47,460
monumental change that should clarify that line, but also create a team approach,

4312
06:44:47,460 --> 06:44:53,000
because those lines do exist where one is authorized to enforce something and the other isn't.

4313
06:44:53,140 --> 06:44:58,780
So if they're both there, both attacking the issue, we know one or both of them can actively

4314
06:45:01,330 --> 06:45:06,570
And I will add that my team is very excited to go down this path and figure out some of these solutions to these problems.

4315
06:45:08,870 --> 06:45:17,910
Well, on that note, can I just say the feedback, the feedback that we get, that I get from community organizations, they love you guys.

4316
06:45:19,070 --> 06:45:19,590
I appreciate it.

4317
06:45:19,610 --> 06:45:24,110
They always say something positive, and sometimes you have our community meetings and they ask, is code coming.

4318
06:45:24,490 --> 06:45:27,430
So maybe you need to come to my community meetings.

4319
06:45:27,610 --> 06:45:32,130
We got it all planned, yes. I'm working on that as well. Like I said, the education and outreach, working with the public.

4320
06:45:32,130 --> 06:45:36,550
I want an officer at every PBID meeting, community meeting, everywhere we can be to work on that.

4321
06:45:36,710 --> 06:45:37,390
So yes, thank you.

4322
06:45:40,000 --> 06:45:43,480
And lastly just the process for the dangerous buildings. So first obviously

4323
06:45:43,480 --> 06:45:47,640
we initiate contact getting in touch with the property owner or property manager to make sure

4324
06:45:47,640 --> 06:45:51,740
we have a valid point of contact and address our concerns. We conduct an inspection of the

4325
06:45:51,740 --> 06:45:55,240
property to confirm violations and get eyes on the building to see what's going on.

4326
06:45:56,100 --> 06:45:59,880
An inspection is then conducted by the building department depending on the state

4327
06:45:59,880 --> 06:46:04,200
of the building the case may be referred and structural assessment may happen to determine

4328
06:46:04,200 --> 06:46:08,080
the safety of the building. And then lastly, collaboration. Code enforcement will work with

4329
06:46:08,080 --> 06:46:12,500
the property owner and other agencies to ensure the property is maintained or rehabilitated.

4330
06:46:17,480 --> 06:46:20,140
And that is the end of my presentation. Any questions?

4331
06:46:20,880 --> 06:46:24,360
Supervisor Desmond. Thank you. First, I'll start out, Mike.

4332
06:46:24,660 --> 06:46:29,800
Thank you for this presentation. I think this is so important for us to hear more

4333
06:46:29,800 --> 06:46:34,560
about code enforcement, and we should probably be doing this annually, because there is such

4334
06:46:34,560 --> 06:46:36,080
a large unincorporated population.

4335
06:46:36,460 --> 06:46:43,060
And code enforcement's role is so integrally linked to everything else we're doing to attract

4336
06:46:43,060 --> 06:46:47,560
more investment, more housing, more commercial investment, improve the quality of life

4337
06:46:47,560 --> 06:46:48,460
in the county.

4338
06:46:48,760 --> 06:46:53,400
And I will say, in terms of community meetings, I did host a series of community meetings

4339
06:46:53,400 --> 06:46:58,380
last year, and it was the headliners were, I think you or Barry maybe, and Todd

4340
06:46:58,380 --> 06:47:03,600
Smith. They were not my best attended community meetings. I will say, you know, so, you know,

4341
06:47:03,700 --> 06:47:07,820
maybe it's a little too wonky for some people, but it's that is not a reflection of how important

4342
06:47:07,820 --> 06:47:14,200
it is and the work you're doing. And I know that, unfortunately, you have to deal with

4343
06:47:14,200 --> 06:47:18,220
District 3 probably too much. I wish I didn't know you as well as I knew you, but that's

4344
06:47:18,220 --> 06:47:21,560
just a reflection of the district I represent. But I just thank you for everything you've

4345
06:47:21,560 --> 06:47:26,180
done and for this presentation. Really look forward to, you know, the discussion

4346
06:47:26,180 --> 06:47:31,440
about a vacant property registration program here but a couple questions I

4347
06:47:31,440 --> 06:47:36,860
have for you is the okay so the housing inspection that is cost-neutral to us

4348
06:47:36,860 --> 06:47:42,500
correct because that is covered by cost recovery but that that's cost-neutral

4349
06:47:42,500 --> 06:47:46,140
we're not we're not funding that through general fund dollars is that is

4350
06:47:46,140 --> 06:47:49,880
that right so yes we are general funded I mean we get all of our money from

4351
06:47:49,880 --> 06:47:55,020
general fund about half of it comes back in revenue so we're about 50 50 okay

4352
06:47:55,020 --> 06:47:57,500
But specifically as a really good to answer your questions supervisor

4353
06:47:57,500 --> 06:48:04,080
I believe that they charge a fee for that you recover the full cost of that service and I was I want to distinguish that from your other

4354
06:48:04,080 --> 06:48:10,400
Operations which are not cost-neutral to us. We are you are funded through the general fund. What is your what's your budget?

4355
06:48:11,260 --> 06:48:14,220
About 12 million dollars and how much of that is general fund dollars?

4356
06:48:15,940 --> 06:48:20,760
It's about 50 50 percent general fund dollars. Okay, so no other there's no grant funding

4357
06:48:20,760 --> 06:48:21,440
There's no other okay

4358
06:48:21,440 --> 06:48:24,200
And we've looked into grants and stuff like that to try to increase our funding.

4359
06:48:24,420 --> 06:48:27,700
And if we do a vacant property registration, I mean, maybe we could get a little bit of

4360
06:48:27,700 --> 06:48:28,220
cost recovery.

4361
06:48:29,040 --> 06:48:30,540
I mean, that would be the idea, right?

4362
06:48:30,760 --> 06:48:31,660
I mean, that would be the intent.

4363
06:48:32,160 --> 06:48:32,220
Okay.

4364
06:48:33,760 --> 06:48:39,740
And then I do know that you work very, very closely, at least in my district, sure, for

4365
06:48:39,740 --> 06:48:44,380
else, with the Sheriff's Department and the DA's office, the Pbids, and I so much

4366
06:48:44,380 --> 06:48:45,080
appreciate that.

4367
06:48:45,380 --> 06:48:49,380
One thing that's definitely troubling me, but I know all these have a cost associated

4368
06:48:49,380 --> 06:48:55,880
with it. It's how I think we lag behind other jurisdictions in the resources that we dedicate

4369
06:48:55,880 --> 06:48:59,940
to code enforcement for unincorporated Sacramento County. And I think that's a challenge. I

4370
06:48:59,940 --> 06:49:05,580
mean, that increases, I think, the challenges we face in our municipal services and attracting

4371
06:49:05,580 --> 06:49:09,440
more investment and development. I would agree with your assessment. And as we add

4372
06:49:09,440 --> 06:49:14,720
new programs related to various inspections, whether they be required by the state or

4373
06:49:14,720 --> 06:49:16,080
or if it's priority for the board,

4374
06:49:16,600 --> 06:49:18,820
we do need to look at cost recovery

4375
06:49:18,820 --> 06:49:21,920
because some of the newer programs

4376
06:49:21,920 --> 06:49:23,420
are not fully cost recovery.

4377
06:49:24,140 --> 06:49:29,220
Like the AB 130 where we're going to be inspecting annually

4378
06:49:29,220 --> 06:49:34,640
the cabins for unhoused folks

4379
06:49:35,150 --> 06:49:38,360
to make sure that those are safe, inhabitable.

4380
06:49:40,860 --> 06:49:43,200
We've put in for funding through the state

4381
06:49:43,200 --> 06:49:47,900
in order to support that because it is it's mandated but it is unfunded oh and

4382
06:49:47,900 --> 06:49:53,380
that before yeah that will be that will be an ongoing issue but if we do see

4383
06:49:53,380 --> 06:49:58,740
funds from that it is likely 18 to 24 months down the road if we're successful

4384
06:49:58,740 --> 06:50:04,780
in that process thanks Troy thank you Mike yeah thank you Mike oh wait

4385
06:50:04,780 --> 06:50:11,680
Supervisor Kennedy thank you you know great work you're right I've been

4386
06:50:11,680 --> 06:50:16,400
kind of a pain on certain issues but I'm going to continue to be because it's

4387
06:50:16,400 --> 06:50:20,060
very frustrating when you're trying to bring up an area and you have buildings

4388
06:50:20,060 --> 06:50:24,120
that look like they're bombed out buildings and nobody wants to develop

4389
06:50:24,120 --> 06:50:28,660
across the street next door and that's exactly what you know the areas I'm

4390
06:50:28,660 --> 06:50:33,500
talking about so I appreciate the emphasis continued on that the rental

4391
06:50:33,500 --> 06:50:40,040
health housing inspection program hugely successful and important we talk a lot

4392
06:50:40,040 --> 06:50:45,360
up here about public safety. That's public safety. You know, I keep beating the depth

4393
06:50:45,360 --> 06:50:54,420
that public safety isn't just about sheriff and fire and police and even the DA. And it's

4394
06:50:55,040 --> 06:51:03,420
actually, this is a program that you all went in there into a 310-unit apartment complex

4395
06:51:03,420 --> 06:51:08,020
on Franklin Boulevard. And you weren't doing it because it was a nuisance to the neighborhood.

4396
06:51:08,020 --> 06:51:09,900
you were doing it because you were there to save lives.

4397
06:51:10,740 --> 06:51:14,200
There was missing CO, carbon monoxide meters,

4398
06:51:14,540 --> 06:51:18,420
there was faulty stairwell, staircases,

4399
06:51:18,840 --> 06:51:21,600
and banisters with children living in them.

4400
06:51:22,080 --> 06:51:25,220
There was heating units dropping through floors.

4401
06:51:25,620 --> 06:51:26,120
I mean, you name it.

4402
06:51:26,220 --> 06:51:28,940
These are health and safety, life safety issues.

4403
06:51:29,600 --> 06:51:31,840
And so that's why that program is so important.

4404
06:51:32,000 --> 06:51:33,620
So thank you for the work you're doing on that.

4405
06:51:33,980 --> 06:51:35,760
If we could build on it in the future,

4406
06:51:36,220 --> 06:51:37,480
I think it would be fantastic.

4407
06:51:37,480 --> 06:51:43,740
And finally, one that I'm going to, it's very obscure, but I started working on years

4408
06:51:43,740 --> 06:51:49,900
ago when a mobile home park actually literally exploded in District 2.

4409
06:51:50,740 --> 06:51:56,160
It was one that I had brought to our attention beforehand, said somebody's going to die,

4410
06:51:56,400 --> 06:52:02,320
somebody died, turns out through educating myself and working with all of people,

4411
06:52:06,720 --> 06:52:06,720
your

4412
06:52:06,720 --> 06:52:09,400
highly regulated by HCD and not the county of Sacramento,

4413
06:52:09,960 --> 06:52:13,260
which is very unfortunate because they'll tell you

4414
06:52:13,260 --> 06:52:16,260
that we'll inspect every 10 years

4415
06:52:17,300 --> 06:52:19,440
and there's some very dangerous situations.

4416
06:52:19,960 --> 06:52:22,140
My only point for bringing it up is there's little we can do

4417
06:52:22,140 --> 06:52:25,060
because we've tried at the state level.

4418
06:52:25,460 --> 06:52:28,180
However, we did leave that, this is years ago,

4419
06:52:28,220 --> 06:52:29,780
prior to you being in your position

4420
06:52:29,780 --> 06:52:31,160
and I just want to make sure there's,

4421
06:52:31,400 --> 06:52:32,420
people have changed over there,

4422
06:52:32,600 --> 06:52:34,820
people have changed over here that we continue

4423
06:52:34,820 --> 06:52:41,320
because we did get better, at least communication and allowing us to get on to take a look at

4424
06:52:41,320 --> 06:52:48,300
the shared areas, common areas and so forth, which we do have some jurisdiction over.

4425
06:52:48,940 --> 06:52:52,860
But it was just as much lacking communication with the state and HCD.

4426
06:52:53,340 --> 06:52:57,500
I hope that we will continue to do that because that's one that's just laying their

4427
06:52:57,500 --> 06:53:00,120
dormant and it's going to cost lives in the future.

4428
06:53:00,620 --> 06:53:01,240
Yeah, absolutely.

4429
06:53:01,500 --> 06:53:04,460
I think even my team would attest that they get a little frustrated with me at

4430
06:53:04,460 --> 06:53:08,840
times because I try to push that additional communication, maybe in areas we don't have

4431
06:53:08,840 --> 06:53:09,180
authority.

4432
06:53:09,400 --> 06:53:14,340
And a lot comes to code enforcement, as I consider as kind of the quarterback of a lot of the

4433
06:53:14,340 --> 06:53:15,820
health and safety in Sacramento County.

4434
06:53:16,420 --> 06:53:20,120
And while we can't enforce everything, I do take initiative to try to figure out who

4435
06:53:20,120 --> 06:53:21,800
does or what we can do to help.

4436
06:53:22,240 --> 06:53:25,100
And so I appreciate those comments, and I can assure you that we are doing what

4437
06:53:25,100 --> 06:53:26,980
we can to fix and solve some of those problems.

4438
06:53:30,230 --> 06:53:31,190
Mr. Defanti?

4439
06:53:32,170 --> 06:53:35,830
Just quickly on next steps, first really appreciate Mike's leadership.

4440
06:53:36,070 --> 06:53:39,450
He's brought a great perspective to the role and is doing a wonderful job.

4441
06:53:39,850 --> 06:53:42,290
I think if it's the Board's pleasure we would do two things.

4442
06:53:42,490 --> 06:53:47,750
One, we would come back to this calendar year with the makings of a vacant property registry

4443
06:53:47,750 --> 06:53:51,630
so we would bring back a proposed program to you that we could adopt if it's your

4444
06:53:51,630 --> 06:53:53,830
will and then carry forward from that point.

4445
06:53:54,110 --> 06:53:58,470
And then second on the dangerous building front, I think again that marrying of the

4446
06:53:58,470 --> 06:54:03,870
building inspector into code is going to help us tremendously enforce the codes

4447
06:54:03,870 --> 06:54:08,690
that are already on the books and again sort of dispense with who's on what side

4448
06:54:08,690 --> 06:54:13,010
of the line we have both of them there we can tack it from both perspectives and

4449
06:54:13,010 --> 06:54:15,670
I think it I don't want to put words in your mouth but maybe be a little bit

4450
06:54:15,670 --> 06:54:18,910
more aggressive than we have been in the past to address some of those

4451
06:54:18,910 --> 06:54:24,830
really problematic properties. Yep, it's about on. All right well this is a

4452
06:54:24,830 --> 06:54:27,490
receive and file. Thank you very much. Are there any requests to speak?

4453
06:54:27,990 --> 06:54:33,690
Thank you. Yes, we do have people in chambers who would like to speak in anyone online who

4454
06:54:33,690 --> 06:54:38,670
would like to address the supervisors. On item 33, the overview of Sacramento County Code

4455
06:54:38,670 --> 06:54:44,290
Enforcement Operations Acceptance, please raise your virtual hand now. Our first speaker

4456
06:54:44,290 --> 06:54:46,790
in chamber today is Holly Tolbert.

4457
06:54:56,180 --> 06:54:59,740
Hi, Holly. Hi. Good afternoon, supervisors. First

4458
06:54:59,740 --> 06:55:06,780
First off, I wanted to say that I disagree with Supervisor Hume's position on a tax for

4459
06:55:06,780 --> 06:55:07,960
vacant properties.

4460
06:55:08,520 --> 06:55:12,780
A lot of these business owners will have vacant properties for a decade and they'll just slap

4461
06:55:12,780 --> 06:55:16,980
a release sign on something and they'll absorb any code enforcement action that happens

4462
06:55:16,980 --> 06:55:18,560
as a cost of doing business.

4463
06:55:18,980 --> 06:55:20,740
And that's a lot of chaos in our neighborhoods.

4464
06:55:21,920 --> 06:55:25,920
So one of the biggest problems that we're facing in our unincorporated areas of Sacramento

4465
06:55:25,920 --> 06:55:30,160
Toronto County is that we aren't lacking the laws, we just aren't enforcing them.

4466
06:55:31,080 --> 06:55:37,420
Art and Arcade has two major commercial properties that serve as very important hubs in our community

4467
06:55:37,420 --> 06:55:41,240
and they've been allowed to get away with blatant code enforcement violations in years

4468
06:55:41,240 --> 06:55:43,840
of, you know, bad neglect.

4469
06:55:44,500 --> 06:55:49,040
Residents see the conditions, we report the problems, yet instead of demanding accountability

4470
06:55:49,040 --> 06:55:53,220
it repeatedly fails as if the county sides with the property owners who contribute

4471
06:55:53,220 --> 06:55:59,520
little to our community and don't even live here. Meanwhile, it's the residents and the businesses

4472
06:55:59,520 --> 06:56:06,860
and the property owners that bear the burden of this. Why shouldn't out-of-town investor

4473
06:56:07,660 --> 06:56:11,140
their interests carry more weight than the people who actually live in our community

4474
06:56:11,140 --> 06:56:16,200
who shop here and raise families? Code enforcement is not anti-business. It's pro

4475
06:56:16,200 --> 06:56:21,260
community, pro public safety and pro economic development. If Sacramento County is serious

4476
06:56:21,260 --> 06:56:26,100
about revitalizing Arden Arcade and other parts of Sacramento, then enforce the

4477
06:56:26,100 --> 06:56:29,700
codes that are already on the books. Hold commercial property owners accountable

4478
06:56:29,700 --> 06:56:34,980
regardless of who they are. Our community deserves more than excuses. We deserve

4479
06:56:34,980 --> 06:56:40,880
enforcement, accountability and action. Thank you. Thank you. Our next speaker in

4480
06:56:40,880 --> 06:56:42,860
chambers is Orlando B.

4481
06:56:46,730 --> 06:56:50,930
Hi Orlando. Hi. First of all Mr. Desmond it's good to

4482
06:56:50,930 --> 06:56:51,490
glad to see you here.

4483
06:56:54,250 --> 06:56:58,390
My name is Orlando Baturaro. I'm a Sacramento County homeowner

4484
06:56:58,390 --> 06:57:02,890
and business owner for over 20 years. I'm here today to offer my opinions regarding

4485
06:57:02,890 --> 06:57:07,130
a matter of public concern and safety that has remained unresolved for nearly two years

4486
06:57:07,710 --> 06:57:13,550
despite repeated notice to the landlord and county officials. In January 2025, I stopped

4487
06:57:13,550 --> 06:57:18,710
a construction project in a commercial suite at Country Club Plaza after testing confirmed

4488
06:57:18,710 --> 06:57:25,150
toxic mold. I immediately notified the landlord and the county. Because California enacted the

4489
06:57:25,150 --> 06:57:29,390
Toxic Mold Protection Act to address the health risks associated with mold exposure,

4490
06:57:29,910 --> 06:57:35,170
I believe that this finding, combined with significant water intrusion, warranted immediate

4491
06:57:35,170 --> 06:57:40,370
investigation and corrective action. Instead, the underlying conditions persist.

4492
06:57:41,410 --> 06:57:45,710
The mall continues to experience leaks and ongoing water intrusion. There is also

4493
06:57:45,710 --> 06:57:51,050
a persistent mold odor throughout the mall. Mold was found in a neighboring suite after

4494
06:57:51,050 --> 06:57:56,530
two separate tests, yet there has never appeared to be a comprehensive building-wide assessment

4495
06:57:56,830 --> 06:58:01,830
to determine the extent of contamination or whether other areas have been affected. My

4496
06:58:01,830 --> 06:58:06,450
concern is not limited to mold exposure alone. When water intrusion continues for extended

4497
06:58:06,450 --> 06:58:10,630
periods of time, reasonable questions arise about what may be happening behind walls

4498
06:58:10,630 --> 06:58:13,690
above ceilings and within the building structure itself.

4499
06:58:14,150 --> 06:58:18,890
Prolonged moisture can contribute to deterioration of building materials including wood rot,

4500
06:58:19,390 --> 06:58:22,330
corrosion of metal components and other conditions that may affect building safety.

4501
06:58:22,870 --> 06:58:26,230
Your story, Ms. Rodriguez, about the balcony is a perfect example of that.

4502
06:58:26,850 --> 06:58:31,890
In July 2025, I came before this county and specifically requested enforcement action

4503
06:58:32,390 --> 06:58:34,430
and enforcement of the Toxic Mole Protection Act.

4504
06:58:34,790 --> 06:58:36,330
I did not receive a response.

4505
06:58:36,650 --> 06:58:39,090
I did receive a phone call stating no action would be taken.

4506
06:58:39,090 --> 06:58:44,210
Then in May of 2026, more than a year after originally discovery, I commissioned another

4507
06:58:44,210 --> 06:58:44,770
mold test.

4508
06:58:44,950 --> 06:58:45,870
The suite failed again.

4509
06:58:46,390 --> 06:58:47,370
This is the story.

4510
06:58:47,890 --> 06:58:49,430
The mold continues to persist.

4511
06:58:50,230 --> 06:58:54,830
During that period, the landlord could have been required to investigate the full extent

4512
06:58:54,830 --> 06:58:59,450
of the water intrusion, identify affected areas, and evaluate neighboring suites.

4513
06:59:00,030 --> 06:59:02,550
But the enforcement hasn't taken place.

4514
06:59:03,010 --> 06:59:07,270
I'm simply asking code enforcement to take the necessary actions, do what it was created

4515
06:59:07,270 --> 06:59:07,630
to do.

4516
06:59:07,630 --> 06:59:08,070
Thank you.

4517
06:59:08,070 --> 06:59:08,410
Thank you.

4518
06:59:10,050 --> 06:59:13,690
And we do have an additional speaker in the chamber, Martin Bryant.

4519
06:59:13,950 --> 06:59:14,690
Madam Chair, can I?

4520
06:59:15,070 --> 06:59:15,230
Yes.

4521
06:59:15,470 --> 06:59:16,050
Real quick.

4522
06:59:16,550 --> 06:59:18,290
Orlando, thank you for being here.

4523
06:59:18,530 --> 06:59:22,890
I know we've had a lot of discussions with you, and I've had discussions with County

4524
06:59:22,890 --> 06:59:23,250
Council.

4525
06:59:23,350 --> 06:59:24,410
I know CODAS as well.

4526
06:59:25,170 --> 06:59:28,770
But please, you know, if there's been any change or anything we should know about

4527
06:59:28,770 --> 06:59:33,930
anything new, I would encourage you to reach out to my office or our Code Enforcement

4528
06:59:33,930 --> 06:59:34,450
Chief here.

4529
06:59:34,910 --> 06:59:35,250
Thank you.

4530
06:59:35,250 --> 06:59:38,920
And our next speaker is Martin Bryant.

4531
06:59:39,260 --> 06:59:40,880
You'll have two minutes to address the supervisors.

4532
06:59:41,360 --> 06:59:41,660
Hi, Martin.

4533
06:59:41,860 --> 06:59:41,980
Hi.

4534
06:59:42,340 --> 06:59:42,760
Good afternoon.

4535
06:59:43,400 --> 06:59:45,960
I actually added my name to the list last minute.

4536
06:59:46,220 --> 06:59:48,420
Just I wasn't planning to speak on this matter.

4537
06:59:49,840 --> 06:59:52,140
So I work with BPI.

4538
06:59:52,460 --> 06:59:54,680
I'm probably the only one here from BPI.

4539
06:59:54,680 --> 06:59:58,180
And I'm also the Union President of...

4540
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:05,500
It represents code enforcement officers as well as building inspectors. So I took an interest

4541
07:00:05,500 --> 07:00:13,020
in what we're trying to do there. I'm all for it. It sounds like a fantastic idea. I guess

4542
07:00:13,020 --> 07:00:19,640
I have a few questions about it as far as are we beginning with one building inspector

4543
07:00:20,290 --> 07:00:24,460
that will be embedded with code enforcement or is this going to be kind of a new classification

4544
07:00:24,460 --> 07:00:30,800
certification that works within code enforcement. I believe that there's just some logistical

4545
07:00:30,800 --> 07:00:36,360
things that need to be ironed out as far as I think there's maybe some certifications

4546
07:00:36,360 --> 07:00:44,540
or specialty that needs to be had by that building inspector to do adequate building

4547
07:00:44,540 --> 07:00:50,280
inspection because it's a different animal than a typical building inspection. I assume

4548
07:00:50,280 --> 07:00:55,420
I assume that building inspector will be doing residential and commercial properties, whereas

4549
07:00:55,420 --> 07:01:01,000
with BPI, you're either a residential inspector or you're a specific commercial inspector.

4550
07:01:01,540 --> 07:01:09,900
So I don't know if this is the right forum for these type of questions, but I'd be interested

4551
07:01:09,900 --> 07:01:15,920
in working with BPI, with Code Enforcement, with the county to get these things ironed

4552
07:01:15,920 --> 07:01:18,580
out because I think it would be of great benefit.

4553
07:01:19,140 --> 07:01:24,200
Right now we can probably connect you with Mr. DeFonte, or yeah, Mr. DeFonte.

4554
07:01:24,680 --> 07:01:24,820
Yeah.

4555
07:01:25,540 --> 07:01:29,700
And yeah, I spoke with Micah a number of times and I think we have a good working relationship.

4556
07:01:29,960 --> 07:01:30,240
So I think.

4557
07:01:30,980 --> 07:01:31,420
Thank you.

4558
07:01:31,780 --> 07:01:31,960
All right.

4559
07:01:32,140 --> 07:01:32,280
Thank you.

4560
07:01:33,140 --> 07:01:33,460
Thank you.

4561
07:01:33,740 --> 07:01:34,460
Supervisor Surna.

4562
07:01:34,780 --> 07:01:35,120
Thank you.

4563
07:01:35,660 --> 07:01:42,720
To the last speaker's point, was this always assumed to precipitate a meet and

4564
07:01:42,720 --> 07:01:43,000
confer?

4565
07:01:45,100 --> 07:01:46,620
We would anticipate that, yes.

4566
07:01:46,940 --> 07:01:47,160
Okay.

4567
07:01:47,160 --> 07:01:52,000
I think it's important for that to be noted in the context of this discussion.

4568
07:01:52,760 --> 07:01:53,240
Thanks.

4569
07:01:54,320 --> 07:01:54,800
All right.

4570
07:01:54,800 --> 07:01:57,920
Just really quick, anybody online who would like to address the supervisors?

4571
07:01:58,180 --> 07:02:01,340
On 33, the county code enforcement operations acceptance.

4572
07:02:01,560 --> 07:02:02,600
Now's the time to raise your hand.

4573
07:02:03,340 --> 07:02:05,360
We have no speakers on Zoom.

4574
07:02:05,960 --> 07:02:06,240
All right.

4575
07:02:06,360 --> 07:02:07,620
So this is a receiving file.

4576
07:02:07,880 --> 07:02:11,760
Thank you for the presentation, Mike, and all the speakers.

4577
07:02:12,420 --> 07:02:13,160
Next item, please.

4578
07:02:13,600 --> 07:02:15,780
The next item on our agenda is 34.

4579
07:02:15,780 --> 07:02:20,460
This is the introduction of an ordinance amending Chapter 2.75 of the Sacramento County Code

4580
07:02:20,460 --> 07:02:21,940
related to the Civil Service Commission.

4581
07:02:22,520 --> 07:02:27,920
We will be waiving the full reading and continuing to August 25th, 2026 for adoption.

4582
07:02:28,420 --> 07:02:32,740
And we will be adopting a resolution authorizing imposition of the county's last, best and

4583
07:02:32,740 --> 07:02:36,760
final offer to the engineering technicians and technical inspectors, the Sacramento

4584
07:02:36,760 --> 07:02:40,500
County Professional Accountants Association, the Sacramento County Management Association,

4585
07:02:40,820 --> 07:02:43,440
and the Sacramento County Probation Association.

4586
07:02:44,500 --> 07:02:45,300
Hi, Joe.

4587
07:02:46,000 --> 07:02:46,860
Good afternoon, supervisors.

4588
07:02:47,960 --> 07:02:50,140
Joe Angelo, director of personnel services.

4589
07:02:51,120 --> 07:02:51,960
For those who

4590
07:02:54,650 --> 07:02:57,310
have a PowerPoint 1, we do put up as well.

4591
07:02:58,270 --> 07:03:00,590
Did you put the PowerPoint in the board packet?

4592
07:03:00,590 --> 07:03:04,250
No, this is external. We'll provide copies to the board.

4593
07:03:05,590 --> 07:03:06,790
Good afternoon, supervisors.

4594
07:03:07,250 --> 07:03:09,530
I am Joe Angelo, director of personnel services.

4595
07:03:10,150 --> 07:03:14,790
And for those listening, personal services is often referred to as human resources.

4596
07:03:14,790 --> 07:03:20,250
Today, I'm joined by James Robbins, the Chief of the Employment Division, Haya Johnson,

4597
07:03:20,570 --> 07:03:27,410
the DPS hiring manager, and Karen Farrell, our representing our Chief Labor Negotiator's

4598
07:03:27,410 --> 07:03:27,690
Office.

4599
07:03:28,510 --> 07:03:34,070
Today's presentation focuses on increasing efficiency, reducing costs, and improving

4600
07:03:34,070 --> 07:03:40,630
service levels for our client departments, partner agencies, and employees as it relates

4601
07:03:40,630 --> 07:03:46,650
to the CSE support staff services currently being provided to the Civil Service Commission.

4602
07:03:47,850 --> 07:03:49,850
Firstly, we want to give some broad context.

4603
07:03:50,730 --> 07:03:55,970
The graphic that we're presenting here represents the key, key components of the process itself,

4604
07:03:56,390 --> 07:03:58,930
the largest being the Civil Service Commission.

4605
07:03:59,770 --> 07:04:01,670
And that piece is grayed out for a reason.

4606
07:04:02,670 --> 07:04:08,050
Their independent decision-making authority remains unchanged as a result of this action.

4607
07:04:08,050 --> 07:04:18,570
As a result, the balance of today's presentation will contemplate the relationship between the DPS staff and the CSE support staff.

4608
07:04:19,890 --> 07:04:22,590
So what's the impetus for this recommendation?

4609
07:04:23,630 --> 07:04:33,550
DPS staff continue to receive complaints regarding the amount of time it takes for items to be reviewed, agendized, and approved.

4610
07:04:33,550 --> 07:04:38,270
And we'll soon see that process can take months or even years.

4611
07:04:38,950 --> 07:04:45,490
Outdated CSE rules create barriers and we'll touch on that a bit more in the presentation.

4612
07:04:46,450 --> 07:04:52,890
And finally, in a review of peer agencies, data suggests that increased efficiencies

4613
07:04:53,400 --> 07:05:01,090
can be realized through a consolidated approach where HR staff perform the duties of the

4614
07:05:01,090 --> 07:05:06,630
CSE supports that function. So what are the key areas that present the greatest

4615
07:05:06,630 --> 07:05:13,970
opportunity for improvement? What minimum there are five? First up, the civil

4616
07:05:13,970 --> 07:05:18,270
service meeting schedule. How many meetings are actually scheduled in any

4617
07:05:18,270 --> 07:05:23,450
given year? Number two, once those meetings are scheduled, how many items

4618
07:05:23,450 --> 07:05:29,270
are heard on any typical agenda? Number three, and arguably the most

4619
07:05:29,270 --> 07:05:35,110
important for departments, how quickly can a job description be updated or revised?

4620
07:05:36,110 --> 07:05:40,090
Number four, employment exams and other appeals.

4621
07:05:40,530 --> 07:05:45,270
How long does an applicant or employee have to wait for their appeal to be heard?

4622
07:05:46,010 --> 07:05:47,970
And lastly, program development.

4623
07:05:48,770 --> 07:05:53,650
When staff are directed to create a new program, how long does it take to implement?

4624
07:05:53,650 --> 07:06:01,730
We'll start with the meeting schedule. Before you is a graphic that lists the meetings for

4625
07:06:01,730 --> 07:06:10,930
calendar years 23, 24, and 25. The 23 data is at the top third, the 24 data is the middle

4626
07:06:10,930 --> 07:06:17,690
third, and the bottom third is 25. You'll see highlighted items in yellow. Those highlights

4627
07:06:17,690 --> 07:06:24,210
represent the meetings that were canceled. Most peer agencies meet anywhere from 12

4628
07:06:24,210 --> 07:06:33,610
to 25 times a year. For Sacramento County, for calendar years 23 to 25, there were 29

4629
07:06:33,610 --> 07:06:40,850
meetings scheduled, less than 10 per year, and in 23 and 24, over 40 percent of

4630
07:06:40,850 --> 07:06:46,730
the meetings were canceled. And until very recently, the meeting schedule used

4631
07:06:46,730 --> 07:06:55,670
to indicate either or, or and or scheduling. For example, the meeting will be on 6.13 and

4632
07:06:55,670 --> 07:07:03,430
or 6.28. And you can imagine the scheduling challenges that created. And while this slide

4633
07:07:03,430 --> 07:07:12,530
shows the last three years, previously, the meeting schedule had upwards of 23 or 24 items

4634
07:07:12,530 --> 07:07:19,550
regularly scheduled and annually less than half a dozen cancellations. This

4635
07:07:19,550 --> 07:07:25,190
resulted in upwards of 19 meetings a year, far more consistent with peer agency

4636
07:07:25,190 --> 07:07:26,290
meeting frequency.

4637
07:07:28,920 --> 07:07:32,000
And although cancellations due to a lack of quorum

4638
07:07:32,000 --> 07:07:38,540
or other unforeseen circumstances are unavoidable, the substantial reduction

4639
07:07:38,540 --> 07:07:47,260
In scheduled meetings, significantly magnifies the impact, those cancellations, and further

4640
07:07:47,260 --> 07:07:51,140
limits the ability to have the agenda items heard timely.

4641
07:07:51,480 --> 07:07:52,160
One moment, Joe.

4642
07:07:52,360 --> 07:07:52,480
Yes.

4643
07:07:52,640 --> 07:07:53,300
Supervisor Desmond.

4644
07:07:53,580 --> 07:07:54,100
Thank you, Madam Chair.

4645
07:07:54,220 --> 07:07:56,460
Joe, you keep using the term peer agencies.

4646
07:07:56,740 --> 07:07:56,780
Yes.

4647
07:07:56,800 --> 07:07:57,800
Can you define that for me?

4648
07:07:57,840 --> 07:07:58,000
Yes.

4649
07:07:58,000 --> 07:08:00,020
What are those agencies' size and...

4650
07:08:00,020 --> 07:08:00,260
Yes.

4651
07:08:00,480 --> 07:08:01,120
So, peer agencies.

4652
07:08:01,320 --> 07:08:03,500
Agencies that have a civil service commission process.

4653
07:08:03,800 --> 07:08:04,480
Counties, cities...

4654
07:08:04,480 --> 07:08:05,000
Counties.

4655
07:08:05,080 --> 07:08:05,840
These are all counties.

4656
07:08:06,100 --> 07:08:06,560
All counties.

4657
07:08:06,560 --> 07:08:11,600
And we're using a specific peer agency in this example, and that's also a county.

4658
07:08:12,060 --> 07:08:15,620
Okay, but these are counties similar sized, counties to Sacramento.

4659
07:08:15,800 --> 07:08:20,360
Yeah, this agency's probably got minus 10,000 employees, we've got about 12, so plus or minus.

4660
07:08:20,600 --> 07:08:21,260
Okay, thank you.

4661
07:08:22,760 --> 07:08:30,300
With fewer than 10 meetings held a year, and those agendas limited to generally five meetings or less on an agenda,

4662
07:08:30,300 --> 07:08:34,320
the county's ability to schedule job specification revisions,

4663
07:08:34,880 --> 07:08:39,340
CEC rule updates and other matters under the jurisdiction of the CSE

4664
07:08:39,340 --> 07:08:42,580
is significantly and adversely impacted.

4665
07:08:43,240 --> 07:08:46,640
And as a result of the reduced meeting capacity,

4666
07:08:47,300 --> 07:08:51,260
county departments are faced with unacceptable delays

4667
07:08:51,260 --> 07:08:54,700
and it hinders their ability to respond promptly

4668
07:08:54,700 --> 07:08:58,360
to the changing workforce and service delivery needs.

4669
07:08:58,360 --> 07:09:04,500
these delays have tangible operational consequences countywide.

4670
07:09:04,740 --> 07:09:05,600
Jeff, really quick.

4671
07:09:05,820 --> 07:09:05,900
Yes.

4672
07:09:06,100 --> 07:09:09,240
Does the commission have, does it meet once a month?

4673
07:09:09,980 --> 07:09:12,260
It's scheduled once a month.

4674
07:09:12,420 --> 07:09:12,960
Once a month.

4675
07:09:13,540 --> 07:09:19,760
So is it fair to say that in 16, 17 there are extra meetings because there were special

4676
07:09:19,760 --> 07:09:20,540
meetings added?

4677
07:09:21,040 --> 07:09:25,620
I think there were more meetings scheduled back then than there are now.

4678
07:09:25,620 --> 07:09:30,540
right but but what is the commission I'm sorry what is the commission charters say

4679
07:09:30,540 --> 07:09:34,400
one meeting a month I don't think it calls out the specific number of meetings

4680
07:09:34,400 --> 07:09:40,940
but most meet upwards of two a month that's usually most being who Alameda for

4681
07:09:40,940 --> 07:09:45,540
example does out is Alameda comparable to Sacramento it's about nine or ten

4682
07:09:45,540 --> 07:09:55,360
thousand employees we benchmark them for market data job specs these

4683
07:09:55,360 --> 07:10:00,060
These delays have tangible operational delays, outdated job specifications, and delayed rule

4684
07:10:00,060 --> 07:10:05,460
divisions impede recruitment efforts and reduce the county's ability to attract and retain

4685
07:10:05,460 --> 07:10:06,640
qualified employees.

4686
07:10:07,420 --> 07:10:12,700
Ultimately, fewer meeting opportunities not only affect the efficiency of the CSE process,

4687
07:10:13,440 --> 07:10:19,500
but more importantly, the county's ability to effectively manage its workforce and provide

4688
07:10:19,500 --> 07:10:22,560
responsive public services to the communities that we serve.

4689
07:10:23,300 --> 07:10:25,640
Next, we go to volume.

4690
07:10:26,020 --> 07:10:31,640
Once we have the meeting scheduled, how many items actually appear on a typical agenda?

4691
07:10:32,400 --> 07:10:38,980
Before you is a typical agenda from October of 2025 for the Sacramento County Civil Service

4692
07:10:38,980 --> 07:10:39,380
Commission.

4693
07:10:40,220 --> 07:10:45,280
As indicated in this sample, outside of routine matters, approval of the minutes, standard

4694
07:10:45,280 --> 07:10:49,680
reports, receive and file, a total of three items were agendized.

4695
07:10:49,680 --> 07:10:58,380
of note, this specific agenda contains the highest number of job description updates in

4696
07:10:58,380 --> 07:11:03,520
calendar year 2025, a total of six. That number will be important later in the presentation.

4697
07:11:03,880 --> 07:11:10,840
Joe, can you tell me at the time of this meeting how many classes or how many classes

4698
07:11:10,840 --> 07:11:19,480
were outstanding or were in review, in process. How many classification studies were outstanding

4699
07:11:19,480 --> 07:11:26,060
in October of 2025? Because we have to, you've got to look at the total they're outstanding

4700
07:11:26,060 --> 07:11:31,720
to be able to say, oh, there's three here. Okay. I see we were going supervisor. I think it's

4701
07:11:31,720 --> 07:11:38,340
important to note that departments have learned over time that it's going to take months,

4702
07:11:38,340 --> 07:11:42,940
Once, if not years, to get their job updates, their job descriptions updated.

4703
07:11:43,520 --> 07:11:49,660
So what's happened is departments are left in the unenviable position of having to decide

4704
07:11:49,660 --> 07:11:55,680
between posting a job that's outdated and hoping that they get somebody or rolling

4705
07:11:55,680 --> 07:11:58,520
the dice and hoping that the job spec can be updated.

4706
07:11:59,020 --> 07:12:04,880
So to answer your question, I think we're challenged because I think the market has

4707
07:12:04,880 --> 07:12:09,520
adjusted to the reality that it takes a long time to get these adjusted.

4708
07:12:09,800 --> 07:12:11,660
So I think the volume has declined.

4709
07:12:12,720 --> 07:12:20,500
So you're telling me that Sacramento County leaders do not submit case studies because

4710
07:12:20,500 --> 07:12:22,440
they think it's going to take a long time?

4711
07:12:22,780 --> 07:12:22,900
Yes.

4712
07:12:23,280 --> 07:12:25,540
And so they continue to use the...

4713
07:12:25,540 --> 07:12:26,260
Outdated specs.

4714
07:12:27,880 --> 07:12:29,780
So do you have a problem with that?

4715
07:12:29,860 --> 07:12:30,340
Yes, I do.

4716
07:12:30,640 --> 07:12:30,940
Okay.

4717
07:12:31,280 --> 07:12:32,140
That's why I'm here.

4718
07:12:32,580 --> 07:12:32,700
Yeah.

4719
07:12:35,870 --> 07:12:44,930
Is that been, okay, so, okay, so, I, that, so they're not submitting information because

4720
07:12:44,930 --> 07:12:50,690
they think that it's going to take too long to do a case study, so that's not an issue

4721
07:12:50,690 --> 07:12:52,130
of the Civil Service Commission.

4722
07:12:52,490 --> 07:12:58,170
That is a, that is an issue with the county leadership to say that we're not going to

4723
07:12:58,170 --> 07:13:02,830
submit for reclassification of studies because it's going to take too long.

4724
07:13:02,830 --> 07:13:09,850
Yeah, it's true. DPS staff, we aren't processing fast enough. And the civil service process

4725
07:13:10,370 --> 07:13:14,990
is not working anywhere near optimal. So it's a challenge on both sides.

4726
07:13:16,940 --> 07:13:19,660
Can you go back to the previous page? Sure.

4727
07:13:20,900 --> 07:13:24,440
Where did these dates come from? You took them off of minutes?

4728
07:13:25,280 --> 07:13:31,120
This is, which one is this? You have the 2627 and then you have the

4729
07:13:31,120 --> 07:13:34,960
Oh, yeah, this is current versus prior.

4730
07:13:35,340 --> 07:13:36,620
This is where we were saying that.

4731
07:13:36,680 --> 07:13:39,240
And you took them off of minutes, minutes of minutes,

4732
07:13:40,040 --> 07:13:41,240
or wherever.

4733
07:13:41,740 --> 07:13:41,880
Yeah.

4734
07:13:47,280 --> 07:13:47,700
Good afternoon.

4735
07:13:48,360 --> 07:13:49,320
Karen Farrell.

4736
07:13:49,820 --> 07:13:53,820
The 2016, 2017 meetings were taken from a memo

4737
07:13:53,820 --> 07:13:56,760
from the executive's office that published those meetings

4738
07:13:56,760 --> 07:13:57,620
at that time.

4739
07:14:03,660 --> 07:14:07,120
So on the first column, 26, 27,

4740
07:14:07,120 --> 07:14:14,940
27? That just started last month. That's the fiscal year. Right, 26, 27. Didn't it just

4741
07:14:14,940 --> 07:14:23,180
start last month? Yeah. So these are the meetings that are scheduled between now and next June.

4742
07:14:23,280 --> 07:14:25,180
Yes, this is the published schedule.

4743
07:14:27,690 --> 07:14:31,010
These are to be held. Okay, all right.

4744
07:14:33,530 --> 07:14:33,810
Thank you.

4745
07:14:35,470 --> 07:14:41,630
Next, we'll talk about volume. You'll see that there are three items, six job descriptions.

4746
07:14:42,330 --> 07:14:46,290
Now we're going to look at a peer agency, and this peer agency happens to be Alameda.

4747
07:14:47,370 --> 07:14:53,290
We see that there are a significantly higher number of agendized items. And of note,

4748
07:14:53,290 --> 07:14:58,910
by the red arrow there you'll note that this agenda is prepared by

4749
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:05,120
H.R. staff in Alameda County. It's the same model that we're recommending for Sacramento

4750
07:15:05,120 --> 07:15:14,810
County. There were 25 civil service rules updated in that one meeting alone. Sacramento County

4751
07:15:14,810 --> 07:15:20,470
rules have not been substantively updated in over a decade. Over the last two decades,

4752
07:15:20,990 --> 07:15:29,670
edits to rules have been considered for formatting and grammar corrections only. In fact, we

4753
07:15:29,670 --> 07:15:34,810
We still have a rule that requires lengthy time frames to post positions and requires

4754
07:15:34,810 --> 07:15:40,190
us to physically post new job opportunities in the lobby of the admin building.

4755
07:15:40,610 --> 07:15:46,390
Joe, I have a problem with the information you're presenting because you're telling me

4756
07:15:46,390 --> 07:15:51,910
that Sacramento County leaders don't put jobs through the Civil Service Commission

4757
07:15:51,910 --> 07:15:55,770
because they think it's going to take too long, but you're comparing it to a county

4758
07:15:55,770 --> 07:15:58,950
that probably has leaders that are saying, let's move it on.

4759
07:15:58,950 --> 07:16:03,930
let's make changes, let's make adjustments, and therefore the reason why Sac County has

4760
07:16:03,930 --> 07:16:09,050
very few is because we don't have department, I don't know what they are, department heads

4761
07:16:09,050 --> 07:16:16,310
or department managers that are not putting job specifications through for edits.

4762
07:16:16,670 --> 07:16:16,990
Right.

4763
07:16:17,090 --> 07:16:18,350
Well, thank you for that, Supervisor.

4764
07:16:18,870 --> 07:16:18,930
Hi.

4765
07:16:19,250 --> 07:16:19,610
Am I off?

4766
07:16:20,010 --> 07:16:20,910
No, no, you're not off.

4767
07:16:21,130 --> 07:16:25,570
Departments everywhere will probably complain that the process takes too long, not just

4768
07:16:25,570 --> 07:16:32,330
here? And could HR staff need a little more help? Absolutely. Is the civil service process

4769
07:16:32,330 --> 07:16:37,330
needed more help? Absolutely. But I don't think any agency is going to say, oh, the process

4770
07:16:37,330 --> 07:16:40,950
works great. We can get a job updated in a month. That doesn't happen.

4771
07:16:41,290 --> 07:16:47,350
Joe, does there have to be a vacancy in order to get job specification classes through?

4772
07:16:47,690 --> 07:16:48,030
No. No.

4773
07:16:48,070 --> 07:16:54,550
So why would I, if I'm a manager of a department and I've got some positions that I want

4774
07:16:55,690 --> 07:17:00,510
changed and I don't have any vacancies I'm going to move these through what's the

4775
07:17:00,510 --> 07:17:05,770
hurry it's I don't have any vacant positions to fill right so it sounds to

4776
07:17:05,770 --> 07:17:11,910
me like it's a county problem clearly again DPS we welcome the opportunity for

4777
07:17:11,910 --> 07:17:16,750
improvement to but I want to be clear departments have learned if I got a way

4778
07:17:16,750 --> 07:17:21,690
to year which are examples will demonstrate it ain't worth it but because

4779
07:17:21,690 --> 07:17:24,790
Because by the time you update it, I probably have more revisions anyway.

4780
07:17:26,030 --> 07:17:28,670
So why would it matter if there are no vacancies to fill?

4781
07:17:29,190 --> 07:17:31,130
Well, they want to keep up with the market conditions.

4782
07:17:31,350 --> 07:17:32,970
When they post it, they want to be relevant.

4783
07:17:33,470 --> 07:17:37,890
And if the market has changed, they don't want to be late getting there when they post

4784
07:17:37,890 --> 07:17:38,430
the job.

4785
07:17:38,790 --> 07:17:43,090
If there's new technology that's expected or a new way of doing things, they want

4786
07:17:43,090 --> 07:17:44,550
to bake that into the announcement.

4787
07:17:45,570 --> 07:17:46,190
Supervisor Hume.

4788
07:17:46,930 --> 07:17:47,490
Thank you, Chair.

4789
07:17:47,850 --> 07:17:48,970
I appreciate your questions.

4790
07:17:48,970 --> 07:17:53,970
I just I hope to show up to be able to participate in this discussion today.

4791
07:17:54,210 --> 07:18:00,950
I'm going to have to leave shortly in order to get to West Sacramento to participate in a state agency closed session regarding litigation.

4792
07:18:01,190 --> 07:18:02,530
They won't have quorum without me.

4793
07:18:04,310 --> 07:18:07,050
So maybe if I can just kind of jump to the chase a little bit.

4794
07:18:07,210 --> 07:18:10,110
I just have a couple of questions about what's being proposed here.

4795
07:18:10,110 --> 07:18:10,270
Sure.

4796
07:18:10,970 --> 07:18:16,790
The first is, is that it seems to me that potentially the, and I don't know if Meeton

4797
07:18:16,790 --> 07:18:22,790
confer is the right vernacular for the process, but that the imposition, if you will, of

4798
07:18:22,790 --> 07:18:30,390
a last, best and final offer seem to be taken without a lot of negotiation, so that's

4799
07:18:30,390 --> 07:18:31,250
issue point number one.

4800
07:18:31,250 --> 07:18:40,130
And second point is that in this suggested reorganization, first and foremost, I applaud

4801
07:18:40,130 --> 07:18:45,170
the search for efficiencies in trying to make the wheels of government turn more quickly.

4802
07:18:45,670 --> 07:18:53,470
But I'm just curious as to how this is not embedding the rooster in the henhouse relative

4803
07:18:53,470 --> 07:18:59,110
to putting what should be a checks and balance under the very department that it is seeking

4804
07:18:59,110 --> 07:18:59,710
to check and balance.

4805
07:18:59,730 --> 07:19:00,410
Thank you, Supervisor.

4806
07:19:00,410 --> 07:19:03,210
I'm going to have Karen speak to the first side and I'll take the second.

4807
07:19:03,610 --> 07:19:03,790
Thank you.

4808
07:19:05,510 --> 07:19:06,390
Good afternoon.

4809
07:19:09,960 --> 07:19:12,140
So thank you, Supervisor Hume.

4810
07:19:12,520 --> 07:19:17,200
I want to clarify that this was not something that was done hasty.

4811
07:19:17,760 --> 07:19:24,880
We did meet with those groups that have been, we declared impasse with one time in person.

4812
07:19:24,880 --> 07:19:33,260
multiple emails were exchanged with their representative, multiple opportunities were

4813
07:19:33,260 --> 07:19:38,600
given to reconvene or meet again. Specific dates were provided with times that the county

4814
07:19:38,600 --> 07:19:44,200
was available to meet. Those opportunities were not taken, they did not respond to those

4815
07:19:45,220 --> 07:19:52,900
requests to meet. They did not ask to meet again after a month approximately and only

4816
07:19:52,900 --> 07:19:58,220
Many after I had sent an email saying absent of response, we will move forward.

4817
07:19:58,780 --> 07:20:00,160
Did they present a proposal?

4818
07:20:00,440 --> 07:20:05,960
The proposal was to reverse the county's position completely.

4819
07:20:06,900 --> 07:20:13,120
And that proposal was included things that were outside of the scope of negotiation.

4820
07:20:13,820 --> 07:20:16,360
So that was the point in which we declared impasse.

4821
07:20:16,560 --> 07:20:18,160
The parties were extremely far apart.

4822
07:20:18,160 --> 07:20:26,900
And the declaration of impasse is really just essentially a point in time where we say the

4823
07:20:26,900 --> 07:20:32,740
parties are entrenched in their positions and further negotiations are not going to be fruitful.

4824
07:20:38,120 --> 07:20:43,020
And to your question about the rooster in the henhouse, very good question.

4825
07:20:43,100 --> 07:20:47,960
But I would say that in a survey of our peer agencies, most have the model that we're

4826
07:20:47,960 --> 07:20:48,480
recommending.

4827
07:20:48,920 --> 07:20:50,920
So it's out there already.

4828
07:20:50,920 --> 07:20:57,300
And number two, the structure that we're recommending as far as the reporting structure is this staff

4829
07:20:57,300 --> 07:21:04,200
would report to what we would say is arguably the most unbiased, the person charged with

4830
07:21:04,200 --> 07:21:05,780
ensuring fairness in the workplace.

4831
07:21:06,460 --> 07:21:12,320
So if anyone is going to supervise this role, we believe that person provides the greatest

4832
07:21:12,320 --> 07:21:14,700
opportunity for unbiased direction.

4833
07:21:14,860 --> 07:21:17,580
And again, they would be an administrative supervisor.

4834
07:21:17,580 --> 07:21:23,540
They're not, they don't have a subject matter expertise per se in the technical components

4835
07:21:23,540 --> 07:21:24,700
of the CSE process.

4836
07:21:25,360 --> 07:21:30,680
This position would have a dotted line for the technical piece, but from an administrative

4837
07:21:30,680 --> 07:21:35,460
piece if that employee feels that something's wrong or I feel undue influence or whatever,

4838
07:21:35,740 --> 07:21:36,880
they can always go to the supervisor.

4839
07:21:37,360 --> 07:21:41,780
And then lastly, remember that gray piece that we talked about at the beginning,

4840
07:21:41,920 --> 07:21:45,300
the actual commission itself, their role remains unchanged.

4841
07:21:45,300 --> 07:21:50,740
changed. They're the ultimate decision makers to decide up or down. If they think I put

4842
07:21:50,740 --> 07:21:55,160
my hand on the scale for something that comes to their attention, they voted down.

4843
07:21:56,020 --> 07:22:01,540
And so, okay, let me tease out that last part because I believe we've all received communications

4844
07:22:01,540 --> 07:22:07,460
from at least two of the commissioners talking about this proposed change and their objection

4845
07:22:07,460 --> 07:22:13,580
to it. And so I guess I'm looking at, I'd ask two questions. One, the peer agencies

4846
07:22:13,580 --> 07:22:19,680
that you reference where it is embedded within DPS or human resources. Do they have a charter that

4847
07:22:19,680 --> 07:22:25,380
calls for the establishment and existence of a civil service commission? Yes, they have a

4848
07:22:25,380 --> 07:22:31,400
civil service commission. That is correct. But is it a function of that charter? Did they have

4849
07:22:31,400 --> 07:22:38,220
a similar pathway to their working relationship that Sacramento County has? That supervisor

4850
07:22:38,220 --> 07:22:42,780
are out of half the research more okay and then with respect to the concerns

4851
07:22:42,780 --> 07:22:46,120
raised by the commissioners given that these are the folks kind of you know

4852
07:22:46,120 --> 07:22:51,760
boots on the ground frontline of this this sure situation do you have a

4853
07:22:51,760 --> 07:22:56,780
response as to some of the issues that they raised or or you know because

4854
07:22:56,780 --> 07:23:01,940
they're not in favor sure obviously that I would assume there's a reason

4855
07:23:01,940 --> 07:23:06,400
that they're sure so for the record I've personally gone to the Civil

4856
07:23:06,400 --> 07:23:12,540
Service Commission. I've offered to the former chair, I've offered to the current chair,

4857
07:23:13,040 --> 07:23:18,960
and I've offered to the commission, to the CSC staff the opportunity to meet on this item.

4858
07:23:19,480 --> 07:23:26,300
We were close to meeting with the prior chair, but we were unable to secure a date on their

4859
07:23:26,300 --> 07:23:33,280
schedule. So we've extended the opportunity multiple times with CSC staff and with

4860
07:23:33,280 --> 07:23:38,160
the commissioners, but to date that request has not been accepted.

4861
07:23:38,600 --> 07:23:45,180
And so scheduling conflicts aside, have you had an opportunity to review the emails that

4862
07:23:45,180 --> 07:23:47,900
they've sent in, their letters of concern?

4863
07:23:48,640 --> 07:23:55,260
I think that their concern is they wish not to have the staff report to DPS.

4864
07:23:57,020 --> 07:24:03,040
but again I'm not we have shared with the CSE staff the challenges and the

4865
07:24:03,040 --> 07:24:08,740
concerns and this is where we are this okay it hasn't been addressed so

4866
07:24:08,740 --> 07:24:13,860
irrespective of right issues they raise you still stand steadfast I really

4867
07:24:13,860 --> 07:24:18,520
believe that I'm sorry to step on your supervisor I really believe this is the

4868
07:24:18,520 --> 07:24:23,280
path forward for us the county's facing significant budget challenges

4869
07:24:23,280 --> 07:24:27,340
departments are stressed, they're strapped. The one thing that I think would be a huge

4870
07:24:27,340 --> 07:24:32,960
relief to them is as a hope that maybe they can get a job spec revised in a couple of months

4871
07:24:32,960 --> 07:24:40,000
or a few months rather than one plus years. And typically, I'm not going to say it's

4872
07:24:40,000 --> 07:24:43,740
magic. We're not going to, if this happens, you're going to get a job updated in a month.

4873
07:24:43,840 --> 07:24:47,100
No, it's going to take months still. But it's months, not years.

4874
07:24:47,880 --> 07:24:48,380
Okay.

4875
07:24:49,400 --> 07:24:52,160
Joe, are you saying that the charter...

4876
07:24:52,160 --> 07:24:53,500
I don't know if I have a question.

4877
07:24:53,680 --> 07:24:57,920
The charter from Alameda County and Sacramento County is the same?

4878
07:24:58,340 --> 07:25:00,040
No, that's what I'm not saying.

4879
07:25:00,160 --> 07:25:00,780
Because it's not.

4880
07:25:01,080 --> 07:25:02,100
I am not saying.

4881
07:25:02,220 --> 07:25:03,860
I have not studied their charter.

4882
07:25:04,700 --> 07:25:08,180
So you're comparing us to other cities,

4883
07:25:08,640 --> 07:25:12,860
someone like Alameda, but you don't know if the charter is similar.

4884
07:25:13,120 --> 07:25:14,540
I don't know if the charter is similar,

4885
07:25:14,540 --> 07:25:16,760
but I know the process is what we are requesting.

4886
07:25:17,220 --> 07:25:21,020
But doesn't the Charter drive actions after that?

4887
07:25:22,000 --> 07:25:24,700
The Charter is what drives decision-making

4888
07:25:24,700 --> 07:25:26,760
and accountability and et cetera.

4889
07:25:27,260 --> 07:25:30,200
So when you say that you compare it to other counties,

4890
07:25:31,080 --> 07:25:33,720
I didn't see the similarity in the Charter

4891
07:25:33,720 --> 07:25:35,580
between Alameda and Sac County.

4892
07:25:36,080 --> 07:25:37,440
And so that's why I'm asking you.

4893
07:25:37,460 --> 07:25:37,780
Thank you.

4894
07:25:38,080 --> 07:25:40,620
So when you say that you compare it to me,

4895
07:25:40,800 --> 07:25:43,080
it's similar, but they're not.

4896
07:25:43,080 --> 07:25:43,760
Thank you.

4897
07:25:44,780 --> 07:25:46,960
Supervisor James Robbins with Personnel Services.

4898
07:25:47,160 --> 07:25:49,440
I can't speak to the Alameda County Charter,

4899
07:25:49,500 --> 07:25:53,160
but what I can speak to is the Sacramento County Charter

4900
07:25:53,160 --> 07:25:56,480
and the ordinance, which is what's being asked to be revised

4901
07:25:56,480 --> 07:25:57,760
or amended today.

4902
07:25:58,240 --> 07:26:02,220
So the proposal in front of you is to revise the ordinance,

4903
07:26:02,340 --> 07:26:03,000
not the Charter.

4904
07:26:03,100 --> 07:26:05,120
There is no request.

4905
07:26:05,420 --> 07:26:07,460
There is no desire to change the Charter.

4906
07:26:07,540 --> 07:26:10,200
The Charter is what establishes the Civil Service Commission

4907
07:26:10,200 --> 07:26:12,040
and the independence of that commission.

4908
07:26:12,040 --> 07:26:15,680
And that is not something that's being requested to be changed.

4909
07:26:16,020 --> 07:26:22,460
It's simply the ordinance which this board, a former board, I should say, of these supervisors,

4910
07:26:22,840 --> 07:26:27,380
had approved establishing certain parameters around the Civil Service Commission.

4911
07:26:27,700 --> 07:26:31,800
So that ordinance is what's being asked to be revised.

4912
07:26:32,180 --> 07:26:35,720
And that is within the authority of this board.

4913
07:26:35,720 --> 07:26:42,560
And so I would point out that the charter itself was established, adopted, and implemented in 1972.

4914
07:26:43,220 --> 07:26:46,820
However, the ordinance was not adopted and established until 1977.

4915
07:26:47,380 --> 07:26:52,880
So there was a five-year period in this county in which the Civil Service Commission existed by way of charter,

4916
07:26:53,360 --> 07:26:57,080
but without any ordinance to frame, create this framework.

4917
07:26:57,340 --> 07:27:03,640
So arguably modifying this to create these efficiencies would not violate the charter.

4918
07:27:03,640 --> 07:27:07,880
it was in existence without any form of ordinance for five years.

4919
07:27:08,380 --> 07:27:08,900
Chair.

4920
07:27:09,980 --> 07:27:10,700
Thank you.

4921
07:27:11,540 --> 07:27:15,140
Joe, I have to address the – I'll get to you in a minute, Sylvester.

4922
07:27:16,920 --> 07:27:22,300
I have communication – I had communication with three of the commissioners, and there

4923
07:27:22,820 --> 07:27:28,300
was a request to have you come and speak to them at the July 10th meeting, and you

4924
07:27:28,300 --> 07:27:28,940
declined it.

4925
07:27:29,160 --> 07:27:32,060
But it wasn't the first time you had declined a meeting with them.

4926
07:27:32,060 --> 07:27:37,160
And so, can you tell us a little bit about their invitation to have you come and speak

4927
07:27:37,160 --> 07:27:39,180
to them and you declining?

4928
07:27:39,940 --> 07:27:44,580
And also, you did show up to one meeting, but when they invited you to come and speak,

4929
07:27:44,700 --> 07:27:46,560
you said, I'm not here to speak.

4930
07:27:47,420 --> 07:27:47,940
Correct.

4931
07:27:48,500 --> 07:27:55,540
So, this is during the time that we were debating a very difficult rule that I believe

4932
07:27:55,540 --> 07:28:02,140
was not appropriately handled and I was concerned about exposure for the county

4933
07:28:02,140 --> 07:28:07,140
and I did not want to engage in the conversation that might expose the county

4934
07:28:07,140 --> 07:28:13,040
further. So but why would you just tell them that you're not going to speak to

4935
07:28:13,040 --> 07:28:16,820
that particular rule but answer some of the other questions that they had?

4936
07:28:17,180 --> 07:28:22,820
Because because their goal was to continue to ask about the process and I

4937
07:28:22,820 --> 07:28:26,680
was very concerned that there was exposure for the county.

4938
07:28:27,340 --> 07:28:35,860
Do you have email trails or proof that you had asked them to be and they said no?

4939
07:28:36,680 --> 07:28:40,620
Well, we have email trails of me extending the invitation.

4940
07:28:41,080 --> 07:28:43,980
We have email trails of inviting the former chair.

4941
07:28:44,900 --> 07:28:49,060
And again, we were unable to find a time on their calendar.

4942
07:28:49,060 --> 07:28:49,600
Okay.

4943
07:28:49,940 --> 07:28:56,460
Because I was shared different emails where they invited you and you had basically declined

4944
07:28:56,460 --> 07:28:56,840
them.

4945
07:28:57,120 --> 07:28:57,280
Yes.

4946
07:28:57,360 --> 07:28:57,720
Sylvester?

4947
07:28:59,920 --> 07:29:00,160
Yes.

4948
07:29:00,360 --> 07:29:04,860
Supervisor, James sort of spoke to some of the points I wanted to share with you.

4949
07:29:05,740 --> 07:29:13,080
But what's important here is the recommendations being made by DPS does not violate the

4950
07:29:13,080 --> 07:29:13,700
current charter.

4951
07:29:14,280 --> 07:29:15,660
It complies with the charter.

4952
07:29:15,660 --> 07:29:22,000
And this is just in line with some of the recommendations you've made over the last 18 months.

4953
07:29:22,200 --> 07:29:28,400
You've talked about efficiency, seeking high-level performance from employees, challenging people

4954
07:29:28,400 --> 07:29:33,280
to rise to the next level, seek sigma, and the rest of all those very special programs

4955
07:29:33,280 --> 07:29:36,680
to help enhance the overall performance of county employees.

4956
07:29:37,300 --> 07:29:38,520
That's what they're recommending.

4957
07:29:39,320 --> 07:29:43,420
And the Civil Service Commission, though, it still exists within some counties.

4958
07:29:43,420 --> 07:29:48,720
By the way, a few counties out there that successfully did away with the Civil Service Commission.

4959
07:29:49,440 --> 07:29:54,820
You have a lot of unions who represent employees and the interests of employees more than the

4960
07:29:54,820 --> 07:29:56,180
Civil Service Commission does.

4961
07:29:56,940 --> 07:29:58,860
And when you make changes to classification,

4962
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:00,600
Unions and specs.

4963
07:30:03,000 --> 07:30:07,820
You have to consult with the unions. They would take a deeper dive reviewing

4964
07:30:07,820 --> 07:30:12,380
those documents than the Civil Service Commission does because they spend a lot more time on it.

4965
07:30:12,760 --> 07:30:20,040
We tend to engage the unions a whole lot more. The county's got 30 bargaining units, 26 unions.

4966
07:30:20,400 --> 07:30:26,860
It's one of the highest number of unions with any counties, similar counties in the state

4967
07:30:26,860 --> 07:30:32,260
of California. So there is fair representations of employees. So quite frankly, the value

4968
07:30:32,260 --> 07:30:38,640
of the Civil Service Commission, why it's to understand still relevant, it's not profoundly

4969
07:30:38,640 --> 07:30:44,680
useful to the operations of the county. And there's a reason I'm stating that. Let me

4970
07:30:44,680 --> 07:30:50,700
land the plane. And the reason I say that is every special district you've seen within

4971
07:30:50,700 --> 07:30:55,480
the State of California does not have the Civil Service Commission because people want

4972
07:30:55,480 --> 07:31:00,340
changes. They need expediency. They need to be able to change the aspects within a week

4973
07:31:00,340 --> 07:31:06,540
or two. Right now, on average, it takes at least a year. The improvement you've seen

4974
07:31:06,540 --> 07:31:12,900
is because of the pressure that has been coming out of Joe's team and the pressure that has

4975
07:31:12,900 --> 07:31:16,980
been coming out of James' team. And you've seen this increased level of performance

4976
07:31:16,980 --> 07:31:21,200
from the Civil Service Commission. We're not taking away the authority of the Commission.

4977
07:31:21,200 --> 07:31:27,460
We're not looking to even influence the authority of the Commission in terms of the ability to

4978
07:31:27,460 --> 07:31:28,120
do what they do.

4979
07:31:28,460 --> 07:31:33,280
We're asking to have a process in place that meets the expectations of the unions we've

4980
07:31:33,280 --> 07:31:37,560
worked very closely with and we've been able to build that relationship.

4981
07:31:37,860 --> 07:31:39,060
These are the things we ask.

4982
07:31:39,700 --> 07:31:45,300
Now very quickly, in looking at similar agencies or counties, the charters do not have to

4983
07:31:45,300 --> 07:31:50,460
be the same, but what matters is the process of getting things done and getting them

4984
07:31:50,460 --> 07:31:54,900
don't swiftly and within a reasonable time frame, that's what the team is asking to see

4985
07:31:54,900 --> 07:31:55,240
happen.

4986
07:31:55,920 --> 07:31:56,140
Yeah.

4987
07:31:56,520 --> 07:31:56,920
Thank you, Del.

4988
07:31:57,040 --> 07:32:02,260
I just want to say in one of my notes here, I'm not opposed to the recommended process.

4989
07:32:02,940 --> 07:32:09,560
What I am appalled at is the process of what got us to this, to where we are right now

4990
07:32:09,560 --> 07:32:11,140
and the steps that have taken.

4991
07:32:11,140 --> 07:32:21,820
And also, I did take all the outstanding case studies, and I took the dates of when the

4992
07:32:21,820 --> 07:32:27,940
department requested it, when DPS sent it to the Civil Service Commission, when the Civil

4993
07:32:27,940 --> 07:32:32,460
Service Commission sent it back to DPS, the dates here are very alarming.

4994
07:32:32,760 --> 07:32:36,000
The county has delayed the process.

4995
07:32:36,380 --> 07:32:40,480
And these are dates that I took off of the website from the Civil Service Commission

4996
07:32:40,480 --> 07:32:45,540
to create a graph because I wanted to understand the problem better because I hear the problem

4997
07:32:45,540 --> 07:32:51,080
was with the Civil Service Commission, I had conversations with two commissioners at the

4998
07:32:51,080 --> 07:32:57,400
time and then the third, and it was that's that the delays are happening with DPS.

4999
07:32:58,360 --> 07:33:01,200
And I need to clarify that.

5000
07:33:01,380 --> 07:33:04,700
So, I mean, we can get to that point and I'd like to share and have you explain

5001
07:33:04,700 --> 07:33:05,080
this.

5002
07:33:05,600 --> 07:33:08,580
Supervisor Hume has to leave and so he has just another comment.

5003
07:33:08,580 --> 07:33:15,140
Thank you, and I apologize again. This is a it's a state agency. It's closed session litigation that is important to the county that

5004
07:33:15,140 --> 07:33:19,100
I make of quorum to there or otherwise I'd stay and participate in this discussion

5005
07:33:19,820 --> 07:33:23,340
so I I think there's enough swirling here that

5006
07:33:23,920 --> 07:33:28,360
It causes me concern, but I appreciate and I laud the

5007
07:33:28,360 --> 07:33:33,340
the effort to find efficiencies and try and make the county run more

5008
07:33:34,220 --> 07:33:39,480
effectively. What would it take if this goes through? What would it take to

5009
07:33:39,480 --> 07:33:44,440
roll it back and pull it back out of DPS then if we were so choose? If we were to

5010
07:33:44,440 --> 07:33:49,880
try it out and say... The same ordinance that got us here. Okay, good enough. Thank you.

5011
07:33:50,740 --> 07:33:54,540
And just for the record, Madam Chair, that is not a system-generated document.

5012
07:33:54,880 --> 07:34:00,780
That is not a county-generated report. So just FYI. Well, it still dates. Yeah,

5013
07:34:00,780 --> 07:34:02,940
But it's not a system-generated report.

5014
07:34:03,320 --> 07:34:06,220
We have not validated or substantiated that document.

5015
07:34:07,800 --> 07:34:14,680
Well, Joe, with all due respect, I sent you an email on July 29th, asked you a ton of

5016
07:34:14,680 --> 07:34:16,140
questions about this process.

5017
07:34:18,320 --> 07:34:22,940
I wasn't given the – I wasn't given the respect to have a response to my questions.

5018
07:34:23,160 --> 07:34:23,720
You were on vacation.

5019
07:34:24,360 --> 07:34:27,860
When you got back, you have a team of people that could have answered these questions.

5020
07:34:27,860 --> 07:34:33,420
questions. So I wouldn't be sitting up here asking these questions had I been given the

5021
07:34:33,420 --> 07:34:41,340
respect to get a response or to even say this item didn't have to be heard today. There

5022
07:34:41,340 --> 07:34:47,800
is nothing, there is no outstanding case study that is dependent on decisions being

5023
07:34:47,800 --> 07:34:56,020
made and changes to this item. So there's a rush to get it done and that rush creates

5024
07:34:56,020 --> 07:35:03,900
It's even more of a concern about the integrity of you, Joe, you, and Sylvester, and David

5025
07:35:03,900 --> 07:35:08,600
Villanueva have oversight of 13,000 employees for the county.

5026
07:35:09,300 --> 07:35:15,340
And if my, what I have been, what I've experienced, and what I have, and the conversations

5027
07:35:15,340 --> 07:35:21,360
I had with our commissioners and how they've been treated is appalling.

5028
07:35:21,960 --> 07:35:22,860
It's appalling.

5029
07:35:23,060 --> 07:35:23,720
It's disrespectful.

5030
07:35:23,720 --> 07:35:28,800
And I, to me, it just raises concerns about the integrity.

5031
07:35:30,180 --> 07:35:32,900
And we can go on, but I'm going to tell you,

5032
07:35:32,960 --> 07:35:35,240
I pulled a mission in the values of the county,

5033
07:35:35,340 --> 07:35:36,500
because I was curious, like what?

5034
07:35:37,300 --> 07:35:40,560
The words that we use, we use principle, we use integrity,

5035
07:35:40,880 --> 07:35:43,800
we use honesty, we use maintaining trust,

5036
07:35:44,240 --> 07:35:47,700
we use words as respect and listen and give voice to others.

5037
07:35:48,040 --> 07:35:51,960
We talk about being innovative, diversity, inclusion, excellence,

5038
07:35:51,960 --> 07:35:58,080
which means that we are investing in employees being transparent, delivering quality responsive

5039
07:35:58,080 --> 07:36:06,900
services. But what I have experienced in this particular item is it is mind-blowing at the

5040
07:36:06,900 --> 07:36:10,980
treatment of our commissioners. And those are just and those are our commission. These

5041
07:36:10,980 --> 07:36:15,660
are people that are volunteering for the county. They're not employees. They are volunteers.

5042
07:36:15,660 --> 07:36:24,100
years. So it raises just a lot of question about the urgency to get this item done, not

5043
07:36:24,700 --> 07:36:30,380
responding to my questions that were very valid questions. All I want is answers. There's

5044
07:36:30,380 --> 07:36:36,040
a reason why I have a lot of respect for Mr. D'Fonte, Dr. Liu, and Shelby Boston, is because

5045
07:36:36,040 --> 07:36:41,840
they have innovative thinking. They are really big on process improvement, reducing waste.

5046
07:36:41,840 --> 07:36:49,840
I support that but when we do it in this manner it is it is so concerning in

5047
07:36:49,840 --> 07:36:54,500
terms of process in terms of how we're going about and it doesn't matter

5048
07:36:54,500 --> 07:36:59,560
whether this is system-generated or not these are dates these are actual dates

5049
07:36:59,560 --> 07:37:05,780
of when it went from the department to DPS to the Civil Service Commission to

5050
07:37:05,780 --> 07:37:09,540
DPS and the county is the delay.

5051
07:37:09,980 --> 07:37:12,920
I thank you for that feedback, Supervisor, and my apologies.

5052
07:37:14,220 --> 07:37:15,120
Supervisor Kennedy.

5053
07:37:15,720 --> 07:37:16,020
Thank you.

5054
07:37:16,260 --> 07:37:19,920
Since we're sharing personal experiences, let me say that mine is completely different

5055
07:37:20,920 --> 07:37:28,120
in that I have been having conversations with you, Joe, with Sylvester, with David,

5056
07:37:28,820 --> 07:37:34,020
and with my Commissioner to the Civil Service Commission who has never complained about

5057
07:37:34,020 --> 07:37:35,680
about any of the things that you've heard here tonight.

5058
07:37:37,620 --> 07:37:40,660
The fact of the matter is that we talk a lot about,

5059
07:37:40,980 --> 07:37:42,780
particularly under Mr. DeFonte's role,

5060
07:37:42,980 --> 07:37:44,520
we've been talking the last couple of years

5061
07:37:44,520 --> 07:37:46,820
quite a bit about making things more efficient,

5062
07:37:47,320 --> 07:37:48,440
making things run smoother,

5063
07:37:48,820 --> 07:37:51,460
getting rid of roadblocks that don't necessarily need to be there.

5064
07:37:51,800 --> 07:37:55,800
I think this is exactly doing what this board has directed staff to do

5065
07:37:55,800 --> 07:37:57,780
for years since I've been here.

5066
07:37:58,680 --> 07:38:00,160
There were some hiccups.

5067
07:38:01,060 --> 07:38:02,980
I see Mr. Sumera in the back of the room.

5068
07:38:02,980 --> 07:38:07,740
this was not rolled out as well as it could have been to labor at the beginning,

5069
07:38:07,940 --> 07:38:12,400
but we pulled back and recognized that was a mistake.

5070
07:38:13,120 --> 07:38:17,620
And so I will say that it hasn't been perfect by any means.

5071
07:38:18,300 --> 07:38:25,980
But to say that we're not informed is just beyond my comprehension.

5072
07:38:26,800 --> 07:38:31,400
And again, from the feedback I get from the commissioner that I have appointed,

5073
07:38:31,400 --> 07:38:36,400
I will say, and I apologize if I'm jumping ahead now, but since the questions of the

5074
07:38:36,400 --> 07:38:41,960
board have kind of gotten off the rails as far as following the presentation, I will

5075
07:38:41,960 --> 07:38:45,060
say that there was a clear need for change here.

5076
07:38:45,680 --> 07:38:49,960
We're not, we're not dickering with just for the sake of dickering.

5077
07:38:51,180 --> 07:38:56,660
It takes years even sometimes to get something through this body, and let me give a couple

5078
07:38:56,660 --> 07:38:57,300
of examples.

5079
07:38:57,300 --> 07:39:04,440
One, of course, you all know or are probably aware of the fact that I proposed when Pride

5080
07:39:04,440 --> 07:39:07,760
Industry contract did not work out as we had hoped it would.

5081
07:39:08,400 --> 07:39:17,040
I proposed a county policy which would enable and lower barriers for people with developmental

5082
07:39:17,040 --> 07:39:24,440
disabilities and actually give a hand up for county employment.

5083
07:39:24,440 --> 07:39:30,240
This is something that was modeled Mr. Villanueva early on in your tenure.

5084
07:39:30,620 --> 07:39:34,420
You grabbed this and you ran with it and I appreciate that sincerely.

5085
07:39:34,880 --> 07:39:41,960
Clearly it meant something to you but also your experience with the state told you that we don't need to reinvent the wheel.

5086
07:39:42,080 --> 07:39:49,420
We have something that has been proven whether in the courts or in practice throughout the state of California for decades that has worked.

5087
07:39:49,420 --> 07:39:54,540
why this took so long to get to this commission is beyond me and angers me

5088
07:39:54,540 --> 07:39:59,520
frankly because every month that goes by every year that went by that's more

5089
07:39:59,520 --> 07:40:04,160
people who should be employed with developmental disabilities who this

5090
07:40:04,160 --> 07:40:08,060
county turned its back on because of a bureaucratic body which wouldn't hear

5091
07:40:08,060 --> 07:40:13,240
it the DEI position whether or not you politically believe in DEI I

5092
07:40:13,240 --> 07:40:19,080
personally do the DEI position was blocked by at least one member of

5093
07:40:19,080 --> 07:40:25,920
this commission when it was clearly the intention to go forward by this board in that position.

5094
07:40:27,780 --> 07:40:33,120
I see the tail wagging the dog here. Civil Service Commission is incredibly important

5095
07:40:33,120 --> 07:40:37,580
for all of the reasons that it was originally established in the 70s and I still adhere

5096
07:40:37,580 --> 07:40:42,660
to that. But how it's running, whether it's purpose is valid or not, how it is

5097
07:40:42,660 --> 07:40:48,360
operating currently with very little, very little accountability to the public is something

5098
07:40:48,360 --> 07:40:53,100
that we need to address, and I think this is doing it, and I thank you for taking it seriously.

5099
07:40:53,700 --> 07:40:54,360
Thank you, Supervisor.

5100
07:40:55,020 --> 07:40:56,000
Supervisor Serna.

5101
07:40:56,320 --> 07:41:03,080
Thank you. I really appreciate my colleague, Supervisor Kennedy's comments and citing the

5102
07:41:03,080 --> 07:41:11,940
examples he has. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I, to put a finer point on things,

5103
07:41:12,100 --> 07:41:16,200
I think to say that this process is rushed is quite frankly laughable.

5104
07:41:16,200 --> 07:41:24,900
I've been here a while, and this is not something that has been discussed in terms of seeking

5105
07:41:24,900 --> 07:41:28,660
efficiencies under David Bill in a way of his leadership.

5106
07:41:29,200 --> 07:41:36,360
This has been something that's been discussed under his predecessors under the supervision

5107
07:41:36,360 --> 07:41:44,400
of Joe's predecessors under the oversight that precedes Sylvester's time here.

5108
07:41:44,400 --> 07:41:51,020
So to say that this is rushed somehow, when it's been years in the making to get here finally

5109
07:41:51,900 --> 07:41:58,580
to actually have a serious open public conversation about how to do things better more efficiently,

5110
07:41:59,560 --> 07:42:05,060
I think is long past due. And I'll just show my cards completely right now.

5111
07:42:05,160 --> 07:42:07,400
I'm completely in support of the staff recommendation.

5112
07:42:08,180 --> 07:42:13,560
I know we're going to hear from some folks later, and you have to conclude your presentation.

5113
07:42:13,560 --> 07:42:18,480
but I see this as something that has been needed for years now.

5114
07:42:18,880 --> 07:42:19,840
Thank you, Supervisor.

5115
07:42:22,800 --> 07:42:23,120
Okay.

5116
07:42:23,540 --> 07:42:31,140
Okay, so thus, we were talking about the peer agency.

5117
07:42:31,800 --> 07:42:33,940
On that particular agenda item,

5118
07:42:34,260 --> 07:42:38,800
there were a total of 63 items that were agendized

5119
07:42:38,800 --> 07:42:41,140
in one commission meeting.

5120
07:42:41,520 --> 07:42:44,720
Now to be fair, as you pointed out, Supervisor Chair,

5121
07:42:44,720 --> 07:42:51,940
not all commissions are created equally, right? Most of the things on their agenda are not things

5122
07:42:51,940 --> 07:42:56,920
that the Sacramento County Civil Service Commission hears. However,

5123
07:42:59,520 --> 07:43:01,560
we will, it does speak to the

5124
07:43:01,560 --> 07:43:07,800
capacity of their commission to do more. And that's, it's kind of dovetails into what Sylvester

5125
07:43:07,800 --> 07:43:12,640
just said. It's about the process being more efficient and getting more items on the agenda.

5126
07:43:12,640 --> 07:43:19,520
As stated previously, the highest number of job descriptions, SAC County, had revised

5127
07:43:19,520 --> 07:43:26,780
in 25, the highest number, totaled six, in comparison to the peer agency, which averages

5128
07:43:26,780 --> 07:43:29,620
about six job updates each meeting.

5129
07:43:30,800 --> 07:43:36,540
And in January of 2014, January 25, their greatest number of job updates were 14.

5130
07:43:36,540 --> 07:43:43,920
In one month, this peer agency revised more than half the total number of job descriptions

5131
07:43:44,780 --> 07:43:48,740
Sacramento County revised in the year 2026.

5132
07:43:51,180 --> 07:43:56,140
Despite peer agency hearing and voting on items not normally heard by the Civil Service

5133
07:43:56,600 --> 07:44:03,440
Commission of Sac County, they still outmatch us in job description and CSE rules update

5134
07:44:03,440 --> 07:44:04,300
hands down.

5135
07:44:05,080 --> 07:44:09,780
Next, we'll talk about specific examples of job description updates.

5136
07:44:10,520 --> 07:44:16,120
Job description updates and revisions require DPS to work with impacted departments to draft

5137
07:44:16,120 --> 07:44:22,340
an updated job description, meet and confer with employee-represented organizations, and

5138
07:44:22,340 --> 07:44:24,720
then finally present to the CSE for approval.

5139
07:44:25,360 --> 07:44:30,720
Arguably, the county has a number of job descriptions that are out of date, with

5140
07:44:30,720 --> 07:44:36,720
the history of significant delays to revised job descriptions and we provide two examples

5141
07:44:36,720 --> 07:44:43,480
here. First, being Department of CFAS. Eight months from when DPS initially submitted the

5142
07:44:43,480 --> 07:44:50,480
item to CSC support staff before the item was agendized. Department of Airports. Twelve

5143
07:44:50,480 --> 07:44:57,280
months from when DPS initially submitted the item to CSC support staff before it

5144
07:44:57,280 --> 07:44:58,160
was agendized.

5145
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:04,660
These delays are after staff have met with the respective bargaining units.

5146
07:45:05,440 --> 07:45:10,560
And because of the significant scheduling challenges created by the CSE support staff that we just

5147
07:45:10,560 --> 07:45:16,860
discussed, departments are left in the unenviable position of having to decide between using

5148
07:45:16,860 --> 07:45:22,900
existing but outdated job descriptions or attempting to get the job description updated.

5149
07:45:23,440 --> 07:45:28,920
As such, departments have generally decided to focus on trying to update their most

5150
07:45:28,920 --> 07:45:33,480
critical job descriptions, but the delays are significant nonetheless.

5151
07:45:34,840 --> 07:45:38,800
We now turn to employment exams and other appeals.

5152
07:45:39,820 --> 07:45:41,540
Exam appeals are heard by the CSC.

5153
07:45:41,940 --> 07:45:47,460
Appeals are submitted directly to the CSC support staff to determine jurisdiction and

5154
07:45:47,460 --> 07:45:50,720
merit before being scheduled before the Commission.

5155
07:45:51,680 --> 07:45:53,760
But the delays are a challenge there as well.

5156
07:45:53,760 --> 07:45:59,960
For example, an exam appeal was submitted to the CSC support staff in December of 23.

5157
07:46:01,080 --> 07:46:08,340
Staff submitted their recommendation to the CSC support staff in April of 24 to deny the

5158
07:46:08,340 --> 07:46:09,420
appeal for two reasons.

5159
07:46:09,640 --> 07:46:11,540
One, the appeal was not timely.

5160
07:46:11,940 --> 07:46:12,800
It was submitted late.

5161
07:46:13,380 --> 07:46:18,240
And number two, had the item been submitted on time, the rule that was being referenced

5162
07:46:18,240 --> 07:46:21,020
was not relevant to that particular exam.

5163
07:46:24,100 --> 07:46:31,720
So with these issues, were they communicated to the executive director of the CSE?

5164
07:46:32,120 --> 07:46:32,320
Yes.

5165
07:46:33,840 --> 07:46:36,120
How are they communicated?

5166
07:46:36,740 --> 07:46:38,360
E-mails, phone calls.

5167
07:46:39,320 --> 07:46:40,740
This was in flight.

5168
07:46:42,200 --> 07:46:43,720
Well, this was not, yeah.

5169
07:46:44,900 --> 07:46:51,000
James Robbins, what I will share, and I don't know specifically on these delays, but what

5170
07:46:51,520 --> 07:46:56,140
typically occurs when an appeal is received by the commission is then they reach out to

5171
07:46:56,140 --> 07:46:59,240
each party, the appellant, and then DPS and ask for responses.

5172
07:46:59,440 --> 07:47:02,320
So we're following their timeline in most cases.

5173
07:47:02,560 --> 07:47:07,060
So in this particular case, we're following the civil service support staff's timeline

5174
07:47:07,060 --> 07:47:08,500
in responding to their request.

5175
07:47:09,120 --> 07:47:12,660
There may be cases where delayed and requested on the part of the appellant or on

5176
07:47:12,660 --> 07:47:13,240
the part of DPS.

5177
07:47:13,240 --> 07:47:20,320
Sure, things like that, but I get that, but my question is, you communicated this with

5178
07:47:20,320 --> 07:47:26,840
the Executive Director of the Civil Service Commission, that there was a dissatisfaction

5179
07:47:26,840 --> 07:47:27,760
of the timeline?

5180
07:47:29,900 --> 07:47:33,000
I don't know that we communicated specifically on this item.

5181
07:47:33,240 --> 07:47:37,600
I will share that there are a number of communications, particularly in the space

5182
07:47:37,600 --> 07:47:41,960
of class studies and trying to get them scheduled, where communications between

5183
07:47:41,960 --> 07:47:44,860
between the Civil Service Commission staff and DPS staff

5184
07:47:44,860 --> 07:47:47,480
where DPS staff was asked to pick which items

5185
07:47:47,480 --> 07:47:49,780
they wanted to delay or postpone

5186
07:47:49,780 --> 07:47:51,420
because there wasn't capacity to hear them

5187
07:47:51,420 --> 07:47:52,200
at a particular date.

5188
07:47:52,860 --> 07:47:55,740
And oftentimes because of the infrequency of meetings,

5189
07:47:56,060 --> 07:47:58,160
it would take some time to get those scheduled.

5190
07:47:58,360 --> 07:48:03,080
So I can't speak specifically to this particular item

5191
07:48:03,080 --> 07:48:04,760
or whether that was communicated or not, I don't know.

5192
07:48:05,120 --> 07:48:07,400
James, did you at any point have a meeting

5193
07:48:07,400 --> 07:48:09,700
with the chair of the Civil Service Commission

5194
07:48:09,700 --> 07:48:14,860
to communicate your concerns about these delays or any concerns you had?

5195
07:48:15,180 --> 07:48:21,200
No, I have not communicated or met with the chair of the commission. I do know that I was engaged with

5196
07:48:21,940 --> 07:48:27,280
Joe as he was trying to schedule that meeting when these issues have come up more recently.

5197
07:48:27,760 --> 07:48:31,200
And I know we did make several attempts and I was included in some of those emails

5198
07:48:31,200 --> 07:48:37,960
where attempts to schedule with former chair Boise were made and there were several attempts

5199
07:48:37,960 --> 07:48:41,420
and then I think he resigned his position of chair right around that time.

5200
07:48:42,580 --> 07:48:48,340
Commissioner Booth then was elected to replace him and we did have a meeting scheduled with

5201
07:48:48,340 --> 07:48:51,840
him and then around that time he resigned from the commission.

5202
07:48:52,220 --> 07:48:53,140
So that's all recent.

5203
07:48:55,760 --> 07:49:00,940
We're talking about some of these issues here that go back to 23, 24, 25.

5204
07:49:01,500 --> 07:49:06,720
At any point did we have a conversation with the chair who currently the executive

5205
07:49:06,720 --> 07:49:11,040
Director serves at the pleasure of the Civil Service Commission. If there are problems there,

5206
07:49:11,140 --> 07:49:18,560
wouldn't you go to the group that employs her or him?

5207
07:49:18,700 --> 07:49:23,340
Well, I did not meet with a chair, but I've had multiple meetings in my time here. It

5208
07:49:23,340 --> 07:49:26,980
expressed many of these concerns about the delays with the executive officer herself.

5209
07:49:29,460 --> 07:49:30,640
And... To no avail.

5210
07:49:31,220 --> 07:49:32,800
So, no improvements. Yep.

5211
07:49:35,410 --> 07:49:36,930
You have documentation of that?

5212
07:49:37,830 --> 07:49:42,210
I can go back and look. I know we have a number of emails. I think that these were meetings,

5213
07:49:42,410 --> 07:49:45,910
so I don't have documentation of what occurred during those discussions specifically.

5214
07:49:46,410 --> 07:49:46,970
Thank you, James.

5215
07:49:49,150 --> 07:49:54,530
DPS staff repeated its recommendation to the CSC support staff to deny the appeal for

5216
07:49:54,530 --> 07:50:02,590
seven months. Then after two years in delays, the CSC support staff agendized the item

5217
07:50:02,590 --> 07:50:08,310
in November of 25. During the actual hearing with both parties present and

5218
07:50:08,310 --> 07:50:14,290
prepared to participate, CSC support staff then advised the Commission they

5219
07:50:14,290 --> 07:50:16,830
had no jurisdiction over the matter.

5220
07:50:19,490 --> 07:50:22,730
And CSC support staff recommended that the

5221
07:50:22,730 --> 07:50:28,870
Commission not hear the matter. Lastly we'll go to program development. The

5222
07:50:28,870 --> 07:50:33,250
board directed staff to develop a disability rule. This is to your point

5223
07:50:33,250 --> 07:50:38,090
Supervisor Kennedy to reduce barriers to employment for individuals living with disabilities.

5224
07:50:39,110 --> 07:50:45,950
A formal request was submitted to CSC support staff in October of 24 with proposed language

5225
07:50:45,950 --> 07:50:51,910
based on board direction, DPS staff review of the civil service rules, and feasibility

5226
07:50:52,350 --> 07:50:53,210
of implementation.

5227
07:50:54,290 --> 07:51:00,830
Numerous staff requests for status updates were submitted to the CSC support staff and

5228
07:51:00,830 --> 07:51:08,310
And multiple suggested edits were given to DPS staff by CSC staff, the majority of which

5229
07:51:08,550 --> 07:51:11,590
were simply not feasible, much less practical.

5230
07:51:12,650 --> 07:51:18,410
Because of the continued back and forth of this item, CSC staff decided to agendize the

5231
07:51:18,410 --> 07:51:24,550
recommended rule irrespective of DPS staff concerns regarding feasibility of implementation

5232
07:51:24,550 --> 07:51:35,330
and the fact that DPS asserted that CSC staff proposed rule encroached, their proposed rule encroached on personnel administration,

5233
07:51:36,030 --> 07:51:40,470
which is outside the authority granted to the CSC staff by the Charter.

5234
07:51:41,310 --> 07:51:45,910
CSC staff did not invite DPS staff to present their concerns and feedback,

5235
07:51:46,410 --> 07:51:50,710
but instead advised them to present their concerns during public comment.

5236
07:51:51,950 --> 07:51:58,630
CSE support staff then recommended that both versions, the DPS version and the CSE support

5237
07:51:58,630 --> 07:52:06,330
staff version, be presented to the Commission for their decision-making, a situation I've

5238
07:52:06,330 --> 07:52:08,530
never observed before in any other agency.

5239
07:52:09,530 --> 07:52:14,350
After much back and forth, the item was finally voted on by the Commission in February

5240
07:52:14,350 --> 07:52:21,330
of 26 with an effective date of March of 26 over one year and four months after the Board

5241
07:52:21,330 --> 07:52:27,090
gave direction. The difference between the original proposed rule and the final approved

5242
07:52:27,090 --> 07:52:35,530
rule was minimal at best. Finally, to be fair, our prior illustrations are comparisons

5243
07:52:35,910 --> 07:52:43,570
of snapshots in time. However, the table before you represents all of calendar year

5244
07:52:43,570 --> 07:52:53,210
2025, a four key metrics that compares Sacramento County and a peer agency. The upper section

5245
07:52:53,560 --> 07:52:59,770
is Sacramento County. The lower section is the peer agency. Along the left, you'll see

5246
07:52:59,770 --> 07:53:04,190
the months, and across the top, you'll see four metrics, and we'll walk through

5247
07:53:04,190 --> 07:53:11,950
each one. How many CSC meetings were held in Sacramento? Ten. For the peer agency,

5248
07:53:11,950 --> 07:53:15,070
25, 150% better.

5249
07:53:15,970 --> 07:53:17,530
How many job descriptions were updated?

5250
07:53:17,750 --> 07:53:26,510
Joe, I, well, I've, we just talked about other agencies submit their request for changes

5251
07:53:26,510 --> 07:53:30,230
of class studies, they, they, they submit them.

5252
07:53:30,670 --> 07:53:38,170
Sacramento County leaders, and I'll look at our county, our deputy county execs and

5253
07:53:38,170 --> 07:53:43,670
their teams don't submit them because it's going to take too long, even though they may

5254
07:53:43,670 --> 07:53:50,390
not have a vacancy, that's the best time to get job specifications updated. But we're

5255
07:53:50,390 --> 07:53:56,950
not. The county is not doing its job in order for it to be impacted in order to impact

5256
07:53:56,950 --> 07:54:02,510
the Civil Service Commission. Am I the only one that's seeing that or are you not

5257
07:54:02,510 --> 07:54:07,870
seeing that? Do you not see that we have a deficiency at the county level that

5258
07:54:07,870 --> 07:54:13,250
Having a negative that is having a negative impact. I know but you're sitting we're sitting here comparing them

5259
07:54:13,250 --> 07:54:18,630
But we've already talked about you said earlier county staff are not doing their job

5260
07:54:18,630 --> 07:54:21,470
Everyone has opportunities for improvement madam chair

5261
07:54:22,990 --> 07:54:28,150
100% I agree with that but I guess my point is you're trying to make a point

5262
07:54:28,150 --> 07:54:31,750
But you've already said it County County leadership

5263
07:54:32,350 --> 07:54:37,590
Isn't doing their job in making improvements. Okay, that's I'm

5264
07:54:37,870 --> 07:54:39,410
to spend my wording on it.

5265
07:54:39,790 --> 07:54:44,350
County execs are not submitting for improvement

5266
07:54:44,350 --> 07:54:47,310
of job specifications because they think

5267
07:54:47,310 --> 07:54:48,410
it's gonna take too long.

5268
07:54:48,590 --> 07:54:50,510
Even though they don't have a vacancy,

5269
07:54:50,610 --> 07:54:52,270
that's the best time to make improvements.

5270
07:54:52,890 --> 07:54:53,970
But they're not doing it.

5271
07:54:54,310 --> 07:54:56,190
And then what happens is they'll get a vacancy

5272
07:54:56,190 --> 07:54:58,490
and oh, I need to get this job filled.

5273
07:54:58,830 --> 07:55:00,250
But you're comparing it probably.

5274
07:55:00,610 --> 07:55:02,310
I can tell you to a high performing county

5275
07:55:02,310 --> 07:55:03,210
who's doing its job.

5276
07:55:03,210 --> 07:55:03,830
So,

5277
07:55:06,110 --> 07:55:14,430
if I may, and I appreciate the comments, I think that, you know, to add to the discussion,

5278
07:55:14,590 --> 07:55:20,310
I think that there probably has been a chilling effect on submitting things quickly because

5279
07:55:20,310 --> 07:55:21,110
of the delays.

5280
07:55:21,330 --> 07:55:23,350
However, that's not the whole story.

5281
07:55:23,530 --> 07:55:27,470
As I mentioned before, there are a number of cases where we've communicated and we've

5282
07:55:27,470 --> 07:55:32,110
been asked by the civil service support staff to choose which items need to be

5283
07:55:32,110 --> 07:55:33,590
delayed because there isn't capacity.

5284
07:55:33,590 --> 07:55:37,610
And these things have added to delays as frustrations for staff,

5285
07:55:37,970 --> 07:55:40,870
trying to work through these things as frustrations for the departments we're supporting.

5286
07:55:42,290 --> 07:55:43,930
It's a multi-faceted issue.

5287
07:55:44,050 --> 07:55:48,030
That is just probably a symptom or a result of, in part,

5288
07:55:48,230 --> 07:55:51,550
all of these other things that have been a culmination of things.

5289
07:55:51,730 --> 07:55:54,270
So we are continuing to work through these things.

5290
07:55:54,430 --> 07:55:59,190
We have, you know, usually a minimum of 30 to 40 studies in flight at any time.

5291
07:55:59,230 --> 07:56:00,030
Plus we have a queue.

5292
07:56:00,230 --> 07:56:01,650
We're always working those as well.

5293
07:56:01,650 --> 07:56:07,490
We are building efficiencies within DPS and have made efficiencies in the past, you know, a few years that I've been here

5294
07:56:08,010 --> 07:56:09,790
We've built capacity and staff

5295
07:56:09,790 --> 07:56:17,130
We're looking at technology improvements and working in that space to improve capacity and improve efficiency and

5296
07:56:17,690 --> 07:56:18,850
productivity in this space

5297
07:56:18,850 --> 07:56:25,110
But this we're focusing also a lot in the space of these class studies, right?

5298
07:56:25,110 --> 07:56:35,750
That's one area. But we also have the exam rules and the civil service rules that govern exams that govern the way in which we're allowed to publish job postings.

5299
07:56:36,010 --> 07:56:48,910
So we have a combination of things happening here. We have our job specs and descriptions that are becoming quickly out of date, which leaves us in a difficult position to compete with our other market competitors in this area.

5300
07:56:48,910 --> 07:56:51,170
We have a lot of public sector competitors, right?

5301
07:56:51,190 --> 07:56:53,470
We have the state, we have other regional counties,

5302
07:56:53,610 --> 07:56:56,710
we have cities, and the state's made a lot of adjustments

5303
07:56:56,710 --> 07:56:59,090
within their rules since COVID in particular

5304
07:56:59,090 --> 07:57:02,090
to be much more expedient in the hiring process

5305
07:57:02,090 --> 07:57:04,250
where we are still a bit hindered

5306
07:57:04,250 --> 07:57:06,650
because our rules have not subsequently been updated

5307
07:57:06,650 --> 07:57:08,970
from what we can tell for more than 20 years.

5308
07:57:09,130 --> 07:57:10,950
So as Joe pointed out one example earlier,

5309
07:57:11,470 --> 07:57:14,230
that in order for a job to be published in this county,

5310
07:57:14,630 --> 07:57:16,950
it has to be posted on the bulletin board

5311
07:57:16,950 --> 07:57:19,750
in the Employment Office designated for such purpose.

5312
07:57:20,410 --> 07:57:25,910
Very few agencies post in their lobbies open positions now.

5313
07:57:26,330 --> 07:57:28,890
I don't know anyone who's coming in and said,

5314
07:57:29,170 --> 07:57:32,930
where is the office I go to look for an open job?

5315
07:57:33,230 --> 07:57:34,370
It's all electronic.

5316
07:57:34,590 --> 07:57:35,370
It's all online now.

5317
07:57:35,530 --> 07:57:38,950
But the rules are not keeping pace with the industry

5318
07:57:38,950 --> 07:57:40,410
and with our market.

5319
07:57:40,950 --> 07:57:44,290
And these are things that are also very far behind.

5320
07:57:44,290 --> 07:57:47,870
And this affects, the classifications are part of it.

5321
07:57:48,650 --> 07:57:54,290
In totality this affects Sacramento County as an employer being competitive in the market

5322
07:57:54,290 --> 07:57:59,490
in our ability to recruit the most competitive and innovative employees,

5323
07:57:59,650 --> 07:58:03,270
the ones that are going to bring that innovation, bring the ideas,

5324
07:58:03,490 --> 07:58:07,030
bring that change to this county, the change that we're seeking.

5325
07:58:07,170 --> 07:58:08,990
And that's what we're trying to address here.

5326
07:58:09,350 --> 07:58:11,770
James, there's one thing that talks, money talks.

5327
07:58:11,770 --> 07:58:16,810
in the county is a way the county in comparison to the state and other cities

5328
07:58:16,810 --> 07:58:24,850
the county is the most highest paid public agency so I get what you're

5329
07:58:24,850 --> 07:58:29,650
saying but people do comparison of job pay and the county is at the at the

5330
07:58:29,650 --> 07:58:34,970
very top so I don't disagree with that but I know there are there are I've

5331
07:58:34,970 --> 07:58:38,130
had many cases where departments have come to me where they've been in the

5332
07:58:38,130 --> 07:58:44,750
process of hiring and we have to go through our steps. The state has expedited or reduced

5333
07:58:44,750 --> 07:58:48,990
those steps and they've lost candidates to the state even though they pay less. And

5334
07:58:48,990 --> 07:58:52,630
it's a matter of timing. They reach out after that next interview and they've accepted

5335
07:58:52,630 --> 07:58:57,570
another job. And I appreciate that we do pay more. I don't disagree at all. I think we

5336
07:58:57,570 --> 07:59:01,810
are very competitive in that market. But at the same time, that's not the only thing

5337
07:59:01,810 --> 07:59:06,170
that drives folks in making these decisions. And timing sometimes goes a long way.

5338
07:59:06,170 --> 07:59:11,510
So I guess my point back to this, it's skewed, but you can proceed with your presentation.

5339
07:59:11,890 --> 07:59:19,150
Thank you, Madam Chair. So overall, total actions, 31 for Sac County and 25, 118 for

5340
07:59:19,150 --> 07:59:26,770
a pure agency, 281% better. In closing, the recommended staffing changes to the CSC support

5341
07:59:26,770 --> 07:59:31,990
staffing structure are not novel, but they are desperately needed. We ask your approval

5342
07:59:31,990 --> 07:59:34,870
of this item and we're happy to answer questions that you may have.

5343
07:59:36,430 --> 07:59:44,050
Yeah, Joe, I do. I have some questions, but I do actually want to start it. Again, I'm

5344
07:59:44,050 --> 07:59:48,030
not opposed to making improvements. I'm not opposed to it. There are a lot of concerns

5345
07:59:48,030 --> 07:59:54,810
about this item, specifically when it comes to keeping it independent and not having

5346
07:59:55,550 --> 07:59:57,090
not have it, not for

5347
08:00:00,000 --> 08:00:06,600
This position moves into the county and so now the charter says, the charter is very clear

5348
08:00:06,600 --> 08:00:11,220
about what this individual can work on. You cannot have the influence of several different

5349
08:00:11,220 --> 08:00:19,360
departments like your staff report says. And so it is, if that person doesn't do their

5350
08:00:19,360 --> 08:00:26,900
job in terms of how you want it, they could just easily be terminated because they may

5351
08:00:26,900 --> 08:00:32,820
not be doing things. So technically as a county employee, they're looking to you for the security

5352
08:00:32,820 --> 08:00:38,360
of their job. So it's it'll be buy it becomes biased. So thank you for that, Madam Chair.

5353
08:00:38,800 --> 08:00:46,520
Again, this this process is not novel. Many of our pure agencies use it. I've used it

5354
08:00:46,520 --> 08:00:52,640
many agencies as well. The person would report to arguably someone who's probably the most

5355
08:00:52,640 --> 08:00:59,000
unbiased in the county whose job it is to ensure fairness in the workplace for the entire county.

5356
08:00:59,180 --> 08:01:06,140
So that's one. Number two, this person can still avail themselves to our formal action if they feel

5357
08:01:06,140 --> 08:01:11,140
that they've been wrong. They can contact employee relations and take appropriate action. And lastly,

5358
08:01:12,000 --> 08:01:18,080
again, the independence of the civil service commission remains unchanged. If there's any

5359
08:01:18,080 --> 08:01:22,760
If they want to send an anonymous note to the commission saying that they feel X Y and

5360
08:01:22,760 --> 08:01:24,100
Z, they can do that.

5361
08:01:24,240 --> 08:01:28,800
And the commission can decide to vote up or down any items that come to them.

5362
08:01:29,360 --> 08:01:33,320
So I believe there's safeguards there to protect that.

5363
08:01:33,640 --> 08:01:34,740
I have no interest in it.

5364
08:01:36,100 --> 08:01:37,480
And I'll leave it there.

5365
08:01:37,680 --> 08:01:40,180
There's a document that I just placed there.

5366
08:01:40,720 --> 08:01:42,620
If we look at document number one,

5367
08:01:45,060 --> 08:01:47,360
this is the, can you move it over to the right

5368
08:01:47,360 --> 08:01:49,200
so we could see the left side.

5369
08:01:50,200 --> 08:01:57,000
Yeah, so I took the meetings from 23, 24, 24, 25, and 25, 26.

5370
08:01:57,980 --> 08:02:06,100
And because I was curious about your 40% of cancelation

5371
08:02:06,100 --> 08:02:06,680
or no shows.

5372
08:02:07,240 --> 08:02:09,580
And so that's not what I found.

5373
08:02:10,000 --> 08:02:13,120
From 23 to 24, there were 12 meetings scheduled.

5374
08:02:13,780 --> 08:02:14,560
Nine were held.

5375
08:02:14,560 --> 08:02:21,200
One had no quorum, and two were counseled for there was a meeting location issue on June

5376
08:02:21,200 --> 08:02:29,940
of 23rd, June of 2023, and then in January of 24, there was a lack of actions.

5377
08:02:30,560 --> 08:02:35,260
Like DPS had no class studies ready for the meeting to take place.

5378
08:02:35,680 --> 08:02:37,940
From 24, 25, same thing, 12 meetings.

5379
08:02:38,720 --> 08:02:39,760
Eight were held.

5380
08:02:40,180 --> 08:02:41,200
Two had no quorum.

5381
08:02:41,200 --> 08:02:46,500
and two were cancelled because there were no case studies available for the commission

5382
08:02:46,500 --> 08:02:55,100
to review. And then in 2526, you can see there it was 8% of cancellation. So can you talk

5383
08:02:55,100 --> 08:03:02,820
to me about this? What, you're 40% versus this, what, versus 8%, there's a big difference.

5384
08:03:03,120 --> 08:03:03,480
I'm unfamiliar.

5385
08:03:03,940 --> 08:03:09,080
And by the way, can I just say, you are the director, you're on a director level.

5386
08:03:09,080 --> 08:03:14,440
that presentation should have been in our staff report. It's not it's

5387
08:03:14,440 --> 08:03:19,600
unacceptable for you to present it here for us to be able to look at it and then

5388
08:03:19,600 --> 08:03:24,880
have to at that point review make decisions. So please don't do that again.

5389
08:03:25,200 --> 08:03:27,940
Thank you Madam Chair and the only reason it wasn't is because we had so

5390
08:03:27,940 --> 08:03:32,200
many communications on it. I wanted to provide updated examples and try to

5391
08:03:32,200 --> 08:03:36,180
answer some of the concerns that were coming in but duly noted. Yeah thank

5392
08:03:36,180 --> 08:03:36,520
Thank you for the feedback.

5393
08:03:36,520 --> 08:03:37,080
So unacceptable.

5394
08:03:37,660 --> 08:03:40,620
Now, you're at a different level than other people.

5395
08:03:41,020 --> 08:03:42,760
So talk to me about this.

5396
08:03:43,040 --> 08:03:44,720
What can you tell me?

5397
08:03:44,820 --> 08:03:46,220
This is the first time I'm seeing this.

5398
08:03:46,520 --> 08:03:46,700
I'm happy.

5399
08:03:46,980 --> 08:03:48,720
This is information from minutes, by the way.

5400
08:03:49,000 --> 08:03:49,240
Okay.

5401
08:03:49,360 --> 08:03:54,120
I'm happy to ask staff to review this in comparison to ours and report back to you.

5402
08:03:54,440 --> 08:03:54,680
Okay.

5403
08:03:55,000 --> 08:04:00,320
I also think it's not acceptable to have a comparison.

5404
08:04:00,520 --> 08:04:02,680
You were looking at 2016, 2017.

5405
08:04:02,680 --> 08:04:08,600
We don't, that data, that information, I mean, we're talking 10 years ago.

5406
08:04:09,860 --> 08:04:15,340
I don't think it's fair to have presented that as they had double the meetings and look

5407
08:04:15,340 --> 08:04:19,080
at now where we have less, the changes are different.

5408
08:04:19,920 --> 08:04:26,440
I imagine as time goes on, you get better at your job, spec, classification, review.

5409
08:04:26,820 --> 08:04:27,820
So, okay.

5410
08:04:27,820 --> 08:04:32,620
And the only reason it was, Madam Chair, is because we were just trying to say back

5411
08:04:32,620 --> 08:04:38,000
then we proved that we could do it and that model is more reflective of where peer agencies

5412
08:04:38,000 --> 08:04:38,500
are today.

5413
08:04:38,640 --> 08:04:39,840
That's the only reason we do it.

5414
08:04:39,960 --> 08:04:42,460
But I'm going to go back to the comment I've made five times.

5415
08:04:43,360 --> 08:04:49,780
They probably have county staff that are submitting classification study edits or not.

5416
08:04:50,240 --> 08:04:56,960
And our executives are making excuses about not submitting for classification changes.

5417
08:04:56,960 --> 08:05:02,900
so that explains it. That explains why our civil service commission doesn't have enough work is

5418
08:05:02,900 --> 08:05:09,100
because people at the top are saying, oh, I'm just going to use the same one. Can you take a look at

5419
08:05:09,100 --> 08:05:11,340
the second page that I have there?

5420
08:05:14,230 --> 08:05:18,590
So this document here are all the current open. Can you bring it

5421
08:05:18,590 --> 08:05:19,150
down a little bit?

5422
08:05:21,350 --> 08:05:25,310
Yeah. All right. So these are all the current case studies that are open

5423
08:05:25,310 --> 08:05:31,770
with the Civil Service Commission pending approval of somehow let's just take

5424
08:05:31,770 --> 08:05:36,590
the top one the Utility Billing Services series there are four classes in there

5425
08:05:36,590 --> 08:05:42,810
it went from the department county department to TPS the conductive study

5426
08:05:42,810 --> 08:05:49,950
in October of 2018 TPS submitted the class study to the Civil Service

5427
08:05:49,950 --> 08:05:56,230
Commission on October 29, 2025. Talk to me about that.

5428
08:05:58,480 --> 08:06:00,760
Then it went to the Civil Service

5429
08:06:00,760 --> 08:06:08,880
Commission, sent comments back to DPS on September 26, 2025. And then at that point

5430
08:06:08,880 --> 08:06:15,340
it moved on. It was supposed to be on the July 10th agenda. It didn't get, there was

5431
08:06:15,340 --> 08:06:19,320
an issue on the 10th that had to do with budget. I don't know why there was a concern

5432
08:06:19,320 --> 08:06:25,120
about budgets, but they moved it to the next meeting, and then it's now on the 28th of October.

5433
08:06:25,660 --> 08:06:28,860
Talk to me about the time of length.

5434
08:06:29,440 --> 08:06:34,780
You have county staff that are complaining that items are not getting through the Civil

5435
08:06:34,780 --> 08:06:35,900
Service Commission timely.

5436
08:06:36,080 --> 08:06:36,620
They're delays.

5437
08:06:37,020 --> 08:06:38,220
They have all these gripes.

5438
08:06:39,240 --> 08:06:44,280
But from the time that the department has submitted their request for the case study

5439
08:06:44,280 --> 08:06:48,700
and from the time that DPS sends it to the Civil Service Commission, we're talking

5440
08:06:48,700 --> 08:06:55,700
making 6.89 years, 7.6, 2 years, 2 years, 10 years, deputy public guardian conservators

5441
08:06:55,700 --> 08:07:04,000
series, 10 years to talk to me about that. How does this happen? And do you see where

5442
08:07:04,000 --> 08:07:10,220
my frustration and concerns are, Joe? That I hear that there are all these concerns

5443
08:07:10,220 --> 08:07:16,480
and all these things going wrong. And back in January, I had a ton of questions that

5444
08:07:16,480 --> 08:07:23,220
that were left sort of unanswered and then the meeting got pulled from the February item

5445
08:07:23,220 --> 08:07:28,940
and so then I was expecting some time, I guess, that maybe things got fixed behind the scene.

5446
08:07:29,720 --> 08:07:33,920
And then I hear again, you and I have a meeting in late July.

5447
08:07:36,260 --> 08:07:43,660
What you shared is very different from the numbers and the dates that are shown

5448
08:07:43,660 --> 08:07:44,980
on this document.

5449
08:07:44,980 --> 08:07:52,880
And so this explains why I don't have a problem moving forward and making improvements.

5450
08:07:53,460 --> 08:07:55,860
What I have a problem with moving forward is that we're making a decision.

5451
08:07:55,960 --> 08:07:59,620
And I can tell you, there's probably already a vote that, you know, the information that

5452
08:07:59,620 --> 08:08:07,160
you and David and Sylvester give us, it could come to us biased and it could create an

5453
08:08:07,160 --> 08:08:10,740
emotional reaction to, yeah, let's make a change, let's do all that.

5454
08:08:10,740 --> 08:08:18,720
And I had a question and what I am pulling out that is public information is so different

5455
08:08:18,720 --> 08:08:20,760
from what you are presenting today.

5456
08:08:21,120 --> 08:08:23,840
And so do you understand my concern, Joe?

5457
08:08:24,180 --> 08:08:26,020
Do you understand?

5458
08:08:26,400 --> 08:08:26,920
Do you understand?

5459
08:08:27,300 --> 08:08:29,860
And then I don't get answers to my questions.

5460
08:08:31,100 --> 08:08:34,680
I hear how the commissioners have been treated.

5461
08:08:34,980 --> 08:08:38,820
I hear that they have communicated their concerns to want to meet with you.

5462
08:08:38,820 --> 08:08:47,800
I now I'm hearing all this and it's not just my commissioner. It's myself and two other district commissioners that that are

5463
08:08:48,900 --> 08:08:54,500
Appalled at at just how this whole thing is coming. But here's what I want to know. Here's tell me

5464
08:08:56,160 --> 08:08:58,860
I'm gonna go back to I support improvements

5465
08:08:58,860 --> 08:09:04,500
But why would you not go to the commission to let them know? Hey, this is what we're interested in doing

5466
08:09:04,500 --> 08:09:06,080
You didn't have to agree with them

5467
08:09:06,080 --> 08:09:13,240
They don't have to agree with your process, but if you can justify reasons why, why would

5468
08:09:13,240 --> 08:09:18,180
you not go to the commission and have a presentation, give them this information, and tell them

5469
08:09:18,180 --> 08:09:23,060
we're looking at making improvements that are going to end up having some cost savings,

5470
08:09:23,440 --> 08:09:28,100
which by the way, the information that I have, there's not much of a cost savings,

5471
08:09:28,280 --> 08:09:29,560
but that's besides the point.

5472
08:09:29,900 --> 08:09:32,080
So why not go to the commission, Joe?

5473
08:09:32,260 --> 08:09:33,560
Thank you for that, Supervisor.

5474
08:09:33,560 --> 08:09:36,640
And again, we did go to the commission.

5475
08:09:37,060 --> 08:09:41,920
I personally extended an invitation to both chairs to meet with them.

5476
08:09:42,660 --> 08:09:48,000
Joe, are you telling me that you contacted the Executive Director of the Civil Service Commission

5477
08:09:48,000 --> 08:09:50,460
and said put me on your agenda.

5478
08:09:50,820 --> 08:09:56,180
I would like to have a presentation on some improvements that we want to make with the Civil Service Commission

5479
08:09:56,180 --> 08:10:00,480
where then you can have a discussion with them about the charter, about the rules,

5480
08:10:00,480 --> 08:10:05,580
about the authority that this board has to make changes?

5481
08:10:06,060 --> 08:10:06,640
You did that?

5482
08:10:06,880 --> 08:10:09,620
I went to the commission itself personally

5483
08:10:09,620 --> 08:10:11,880
and invited them to have the meeting.

5484
08:10:12,420 --> 08:10:14,580
That's not how you get on the agenda.

5485
08:10:16,600 --> 08:10:18,800
You're a very well experienced individual.

5486
08:10:19,260 --> 08:10:22,000
If you wanna go have a conversation with the commission,

5487
08:10:22,320 --> 08:10:23,340
you get on their agenda.

5488
08:10:24,520 --> 08:10:26,720
You have a conversation with the executive director

5489
08:10:26,720 --> 08:10:35,160
and say, hey, we want to make some changes, can you get me on your July, June, May agenda?

5490
08:10:35,420 --> 08:10:37,100
This has been in the works for a long time.

5491
08:10:37,640 --> 08:10:39,240
Why not give them their respect?

5492
08:10:39,580 --> 08:10:46,920
These are people who have volunteered, who, by the way, all five are very passionate about

5493
08:10:46,920 --> 08:10:49,500
the work that they do for the county of Sacramento.

5494
08:10:50,060 --> 08:10:54,920
And we just gave them a big middle finger and said, we're going to move forward

5495
08:10:54,920 --> 08:10:59,660
with whatever it is that we're going to do, I don't care to hear what you have to say,

5496
08:10:59,700 --> 08:11:00,720
we're just going to move forward.

5497
08:11:01,560 --> 08:11:07,020
And then we get emails from two that are, whoa, what's going on?

5498
08:11:07,320 --> 08:11:08,840
And they have all these questions.

5499
08:11:09,320 --> 08:11:10,520
Thank you, Madam Chair.

5500
08:11:12,180 --> 08:11:17,640
Specifically, we have had challenges getting items on the agenda, specifically on the

5501
08:11:17,640 --> 08:11:18,500
disability rule.

5502
08:11:19,280 --> 08:11:20,580
We weren't even allowed to use it.

5503
08:11:20,760 --> 08:11:21,540
Joe, you're not hearing me.

5504
08:11:21,540 --> 08:11:29,740
I'm asking you, why couldn't you go to the commission and present them with this PowerPoint

5505
08:11:30,240 --> 08:11:36,040
and let them know what you wanted to do and the plans that you had?

5506
08:11:36,720 --> 08:11:39,460
Why couldn't you have done that?

5507
08:11:39,820 --> 08:11:40,880
That was what we offered.

5508
08:11:43,340 --> 08:11:44,340
So they're liars.

5509
08:11:45,240 --> 08:11:49,620
Three out of our five civil service commissioners are lying.

5510
08:11:49,620 --> 08:11:56,760
I'm saying that I have documentation that I've reached out to both chairs and offered to meet on numerous occasions

5511
08:12:07,110 --> 08:12:09,150
speechless here because I

5512
08:12:10,750 --> 08:12:11,310
and

5513
08:12:11,310 --> 08:12:11,730
Ed

5514
08:12:22,280 --> 08:12:28,920
Supervisor Sourna, just a point of order. Is it possible? Are you done with your yeah? We're done our presentation

5515
08:12:28,920 --> 08:12:31,400
Okay, because I'm really eager to

5516
08:12:32,200 --> 08:12:35,400
Get on with this there might be others that are eager as well

5517
08:12:36,180 --> 08:12:38,840
appreciate the chairs line of questioning she deserves to have

5518
08:12:39,380 --> 08:12:49,580
her questions presented and answered if possible, but it feels like we're at a place that, for

5519
08:12:50,160 --> 08:12:54,480
no other reason, for everyone's time, that we move on and hear from others.

5520
08:12:59,510 --> 08:13:03,170
Yeah, actually I have some questions, and I'm not going to be rushed, Supervisor Surna.

5521
08:13:03,530 --> 08:13:09,170
These are really important questions, and really what it comes down to is accountability

5522
08:13:09,170 --> 08:13:19,270
and transparency and I, yeah, I want to get answers because that's what I want to say it's

5523
08:13:19,270 --> 08:13:25,190
it's filling like gotcha big time to me. Well, and I'm seeing a lot of nodding heads too over here.

5524
08:13:26,230 --> 08:13:31,930
So are you uncomfortable with the accountability that is being presented to the family?

5525
08:13:31,950 --> 08:13:33,810
I'm not comfortable with you playing gotcha with staff.

5526
08:13:35,310 --> 08:13:38,590
So do you see the, so then you see through the problem as well?

5527
08:13:40,370 --> 08:13:43,350
I just want to hear from others and get on with the business of the day.

5528
08:13:45,330 --> 08:13:48,530
I guess I would feel that way too if I was retiring in four months.

5529
08:13:50,190 --> 08:13:51,870
Really? That's pathetic.

5530
08:13:52,390 --> 08:13:53,270
I'm sorry. You're pathetic.

5531
08:13:53,390 --> 08:13:54,450
I'm sorry. You know what? That's fine.

5532
08:13:54,890 --> 08:13:59,470
You're pathetic. Not in 16 years has everyone stooped that low on this desk.

5533
08:13:59,810 --> 08:14:00,430
You are pathetic.

5534
08:14:00,650 --> 08:14:03,210
I have questions. You don't want to hear them.

5535
08:14:03,210 --> 08:14:04,070
You don't want to hear my questions.

5536
08:14:04,070 --> 08:14:05,710
You want to play gotcha the rest of the evening?

5537
08:14:06,230 --> 08:14:06,850
Do it.

5538
08:14:07,070 --> 08:14:07,470
I don't.

5539
08:14:07,630 --> 08:14:09,210
You're making yourself look like a fool.

5540
08:14:09,230 --> 08:14:13,990
I don't want to play gotcha, but evidently, we already know where the decision is going

5541
08:14:13,990 --> 08:14:19,630
with this, and so my questions at this point are irrelevant, and so I'm fine.

5542
08:14:20,030 --> 08:14:20,870
I really don't.

5543
08:14:21,490 --> 08:14:23,870
I probably know the answers to the questions anyway.

5544
08:14:24,290 --> 08:14:26,890
So Joe, is there anything else you want to add to this?

5545
08:14:27,890 --> 08:14:31,890
Supervisor, if you'd like to meet with me at any point, again, my apologies

5546
08:14:31,890 --> 08:14:36,590
If you feel that you've been shorts, you know got the shirt in the straw, but I'm happy to meet with you after

5547
08:14:37,530 --> 08:14:39,850
My apologies. Yeah, thank you appreciate it

5548
08:14:41,890 --> 08:14:45,230
Is your is that it for that's it for a presentation. Yeah, all right

5549
08:14:47,230 --> 08:14:48,310
Any public comments

5550
08:14:49,250 --> 08:14:55,250
Yes, we do have public comment people in the chamber and anyone online who would like to speak

5551
08:14:55,250 --> 08:14:59,110
Please raise your hand now. We will start with the people in chamber

5552
08:15:00,000 --> 08:15:01,700
First up, Martin Bryant.

5553
08:15:09,130 --> 08:15:10,410
Thank you, I appreciate that.

5554
08:15:11,690 --> 08:15:14,530
Okay, so this is why I'm really here.

5555
08:15:15,290 --> 08:15:17,570
I did write up something.

5556
08:15:18,650 --> 08:15:20,610
A lot of it is what we've already discussed.

5557
08:15:21,490 --> 08:15:23,230
I represent ETTI.

5558
08:15:23,510 --> 08:15:30,070
I'm one of the president of one of the named unions on the topic today.

5559
08:15:31,130 --> 08:15:35,450
My main concern is with the stripping of the independence.

5560
08:15:35,450 --> 08:15:45,640
like to solve an issue that is an issue like delays are real issue gosh I have a

5561
08:15:45,640 --> 08:15:50,140
lot more to say than I can say in two minutes the things that were presented

5562
08:15:50,140 --> 08:15:54,480
today were not what was presented to us when we met with the county previously

5563
08:15:54,480 --> 08:15:59,920
their concerns then were the employees the oversight of the employees

5564
08:15:59,920 --> 08:16:04,920
themselves and you know the amount of time that they spent in office and

5565
08:16:04,920 --> 08:16:13,940
their availability, and then today it's, you know, delays on getting class studies done,

5566
08:16:14,440 --> 08:16:26,340
which again, major issue. My experience with these delays is those delays come from DPS

5567
08:16:26,340 --> 08:16:33,400
with all due respect to Joe and you know Joe I respect respect you and you know I

5568
08:16:33,400 --> 08:16:38,040
think we get along well in the interactions we've had but these

5569
08:16:38,040 --> 08:16:45,340
delays are not in my experience CSE delays they are DPS delays I've had

5570
08:16:45,340 --> 08:16:49,520
conversations with management about getting certain classes implemented at

5571
08:16:49,520 --> 08:16:56,320
the county that do not exist and what we've been met with is DPS telling us

5572
08:16:56,320 --> 08:16:59,620
yes, that's going to take too long. We're not going to even do it. It's going to take

5573
08:16:59,620 --> 08:17:07,020
too long. So it's not even management that's refusing to try to push these classes. It's

5574
08:17:07,020 --> 08:17:15,060
DPS. There's delays with DPS and not just class studies and disciplinary action and

5575
08:17:15,060 --> 08:17:19,620
everything else. Again, I'm the president of the union. I deal with that pretty regularly.

5576
08:17:20,280 --> 08:17:25,340
things that should take weeks, take months, up to a year plus, to do anything.

5577
08:17:25,740 --> 08:17:32,940
So the idea that we're going to fix a delay issue by DPS, taking it over and stripping

5578
08:17:32,940 --> 08:17:37,840
the independence from these administrative and support staff for CSE is...

5579
08:17:37,840 --> 08:17:38,400
Oh, sorry.

5580
08:17:38,780 --> 08:17:39,720
Thank you.

5581
08:17:39,740 --> 08:17:40,100
Thank you.

5582
08:17:42,200 --> 08:17:44,600
Our next in-chamber speaker is Ted Samara.

5583
08:17:49,680 --> 08:17:50,440
Good evening.

5584
08:17:53,400 --> 08:17:57,620
Supervisor Tetsmer, executive director of United Public Employees, and we represent about a third of your county employees.

5585
08:17:57,800 --> 08:18:02,660
And so I'm kind of a little pleased here. You've experienced some of the pain we experienced when we deal with DPS,

5586
08:18:03,700 --> 08:18:07,080
and getting information in the 11th hour just before the present.

5587
08:18:07,600 --> 08:18:10,680
I've been with the United Public Employees now for, this is my 27th year.

5588
08:18:11,100 --> 08:18:15,680
I agree. Change needs to happen. The delay, there are delays.

5589
08:18:15,680 --> 08:18:22,540
studies, but the blame, put solely the blame at 80 percent on the Silver Service Commission

5590
08:18:22,540 --> 08:18:27,840
is unfair. The majority of these classification studies are Supervisor Rodriguez that you presented

5591
08:18:27,840 --> 08:18:34,020
here that are 2018. Those are our bargaineants. And I've come to you all to talk about the

5592
08:18:34,020 --> 08:18:38,380
concerns we have DPS. I believe change needs to occur, Supervisor Serna. You're right.

5593
08:18:39,100 --> 08:18:45,420
But you can't fix a remodel house with rested nails. It shouldn't be DPS that should

5594
08:18:45,420 --> 08:18:50,420
be the ones that would have to oversight over that. Your issues is meeting and having civil

5595
08:18:50,420 --> 08:18:56,040
service commission meet more frequently. Well, talk to your commissioners, you appoints before

5596
08:18:56,040 --> 08:19:02,540
you appoint them to push the executive director to meet more often. You appoint them. Nobody

5597
08:19:02,540 --> 08:19:06,940
else in this room does. There's where some of that change could happen. Maybe try that

5598
08:19:06,940 --> 08:19:11,880
first. And I want to know who this guy that's the most trustworthy guy that people

5599
08:19:11,880 --> 08:19:16,580
will have concerns that person is it going to be David that's going to oversee it? At

5600
08:19:16,580 --> 08:19:20,340
this point I can say, okay, let's give it a try there. David's a pretty honorable man.

5601
08:19:20,740 --> 08:19:25,840
But the dealings we've had with DPS haven't been the best. It's always the pushback.

5602
08:19:26,000 --> 08:19:28,840
I get it. You need to have more meetings. We would like to see more meetings, too.

5603
08:19:28,940 --> 08:19:33,640
But when we appeal stuff to Alice over for releases from probation, we get hearing dates.

5604
08:19:35,600 --> 08:19:40,080
The problem is when the whole we don't need it and the unions, that's a bunch

5605
08:19:40,080 --> 08:19:45,200
of malarkey you're hearing over there. They want to strip that power so DPS can have

5606
08:19:45,200 --> 08:19:48,940
sole power so they can come back and say, no, we don't need to do this, we don't need

5607
08:19:48,940 --> 08:19:54,940
to do that. You ask those directors why they don't want to put forward classification studies

5608
08:19:54,940 --> 08:19:59,860
because they take too long but not because of civil service because of DPS.

5609
08:20:00,280 --> 08:20:00,780
Thank you, Ted.

5610
08:20:01,900 --> 08:20:03,060
Fix it right.

5611
08:20:04,580 --> 08:20:07,160
Our next in-chamber speaker is Kelsey Johnson.

5612
08:20:07,160 --> 08:20:08,120
Good

5613
08:20:12,570 --> 08:20:17,130
evening, Chair and Supervisors. My name is Kelsey Johnson. I'm the President of

5614
08:20:17,130 --> 08:20:23,310
Schema, the Sacramento County Management Association. We represent over 850 employees

5615
08:20:23,310 --> 08:20:29,110
and over 165 job classifications. We have some experience with classification studies.

5616
08:20:30,090 --> 08:20:35,490
Our experience has not, has been not that Civil Service Commission has been a holdup.

5617
08:20:36,050 --> 08:20:40,350
In fact, by the time we have heard something is ready to be presented to Civil Service

5618
08:20:40,350 --> 08:20:45,730
Commission, that's the time when we know we are crossing the finish line. We understand,

5619
08:20:46,170 --> 08:20:52,090
we appreciate efficiencies, they are important as managers, that is what our membership strives

5620
08:20:52,090 --> 08:20:57,490
to do. And our members are located at almost every single department in this county, if

5621
08:20:57,490 --> 08:21:02,870
not everyone. And what we have heard from top managers when discussing whether or

5622
08:21:02,870 --> 08:21:07,590
not they want to have updated class studies, is that the challenge that it would take

5623
08:21:07,590 --> 08:21:13,250
take to even begin sometimes with it going to DPS. It's not the civil service component.

5624
08:21:13,950 --> 08:21:19,790
And we are concerned about that and appreciate the board looking at these issues. But given

5625
08:21:19,790 --> 08:21:25,350
some of the answers and responses that are not supported by facts and evidence and they

5626
08:21:25,350 --> 08:21:32,390
are not, demands that there be some further investigation regarding the information that

5627
08:21:32,390 --> 08:21:37,830
is being presented to this board. I would also be curious about how many classification

5628
08:21:37,830 --> 08:21:43,450
studies are currently under review. Schema's had instances where we have gone through three

5629
08:21:43,450 --> 08:21:48,110
contract sessions and I know I've been on all of the contract negotiations. I believe

5630
08:21:48,110 --> 08:21:53,570
there have been five with Schema. I've been on the board since 2009, where we've even

5631
08:21:53,570 --> 08:21:59,110
had to write contract language in to get updates regarding where those classifications

5632
08:21:59,110 --> 08:22:05,390
are. Regarding the pay, we have oftentimes tried to negotiate the pay. The county repeatedly

5633
08:22:05,390 --> 08:22:10,470
tells us where the highest paying we have zero recruitment or retention issues. It is

5634
08:22:10,470 --> 08:22:15,010
only after a position is not able to be filled after a significant period of time that they

5635
08:22:15,010 --> 08:22:21,230
may return and then at that point suggest increasing the pay. So again, we do not

5636
08:22:21,230 --> 08:22:25,230
agree with the information that has been, much of the information that has been submitted

5637
08:22:25,230 --> 08:22:29,570
and would appreciate the time to present facts as we see them to anyone who has questions.

5638
08:22:29,990 --> 08:22:35,330
Thank you. The next in-chamber speaker is Alice Doudin-Kelvio.

5639
08:22:46,510 --> 08:22:47,130
Thank you, Alice.

5640
08:23:02,880 --> 08:23:05,200
I've written my comments to make sure I'm timely.

5641
08:23:06,240 --> 08:23:10,720
Good evening, Madam Chair and members of the Board. My name is Alice Doudin-Kelvio,

5642
08:23:11,200 --> 08:23:13,960
and I am the Executive Officer for the County Civil Service Commission.

5643
08:23:15,100 --> 08:23:18,580
I'd like to preface my remarks today by stating that I recently

5644
08:23:18,580 --> 08:23:25,720
tenured my resignation to the commission. My last day is September 14th. I have grown

5645
08:23:25,720 --> 08:23:33,660
tired of the unprofessionalism, dishonesty, unsubstantiated claims, lack of transparency

5646
08:23:33,660 --> 08:23:39,660
and unchecked, disrespectful behavior from DPS leadership. But that is for another

5647
08:23:39,660 --> 08:23:40,120
time.

5648
08:23:42,300 --> 08:23:47,420
DPS's proposal circumvents the intent of the Sacramento County voters when they

5649
08:23:47,420 --> 08:23:52,540
enacted your charter establishing the commission as an independent agency separate from DPS

5650
08:23:52,540 --> 08:23:58,920
with their own staff. In a nutshell, the commission adopts civil service policy via the rules,

5651
08:23:59,280 --> 08:24:03,660
and the department implements said policies if they pertain to merit-based employment.

5652
08:24:04,500 --> 08:24:09,760
There is a clear and distinct separation of powers. The charter explicitly states the

5653
08:24:09,760 --> 08:24:14,340
commission staff shall have no authority to administer personal services and programs.

5654
08:24:14,340 --> 08:24:17,140
Instead, that rests with DPS.

5655
08:24:18,300 --> 08:24:24,020
This has demonstrated through the fact that there are more than 17 different actions that

5656
08:24:24,020 --> 08:24:27,700
are taken by the DPS director that can be appealed to the Commission.

5657
08:24:28,480 --> 08:24:33,680
In addition, the Commission and its executive officer are authorized to investigate DPS

5658
08:24:33,680 --> 08:24:37,860
actions that are deemed necessary for the proper administration of its responsibilities.

5659
08:24:37,860 --> 08:24:43,980
granting DPS authority to staff the commission effectively places the fox in

5660
08:24:43,980 --> 08:24:49,200
the henhouse how can anyone expect to be treated fairly when the department that

5661
08:24:49,200 --> 08:24:55,080
is alleged of wrongdoing is now staffing the commission DPS states that the

5662
08:24:55,080 --> 08:24:59,060
staff assigned would be exempt but there is no doubt that there would be

5663
08:24:59,060 --> 08:25:03,220
undue influence given that given the control that DPS has attempted to

5664
08:25:03,220 --> 08:25:06,160
exert to date. And I speak personally to that.

5665
08:25:07,340 --> 08:25:07,880
Rep it up.

5666
08:25:08,260 --> 08:25:14,180
DPS argues that the commission having its own staff bogs down the process and causes the

5667
08:25:14,180 --> 08:25:19,480
necessary delays. However, when pressed, they are unable to provide any evidence of this.

5668
08:25:20,240 --> 08:25:24,400
This is not a proposal to make operations more efficient and effective. It's a power

5669
08:25:24,400 --> 08:25:28,880
grab. DPS wants to control what, when, how items go to the commission without any

5670
08:25:28,880 --> 08:25:32,700
constructive input or oversight. The same oversight that was provided.

5671
08:25:32,700 --> 08:25:39,160
Thank you under the charter. Thank you very much. I appreciate your opportunity and urge you to vote actually don't go too far

5672
08:25:39,160 --> 08:25:44,360
I have some questions for you. So I'll do it after do me to go sit down and then come back. Yeah

5673
08:25:46,800 --> 08:25:50,640
Our last speaker is online Sally lie

5674
08:25:52,140 --> 08:25:55,940
Sally you can unmute yourself. Can you hear me? Yes, we can

5675
08:25:56,640 --> 08:26:03,860
Good afternoon, madam chair and members of the board. My name is Sally Lee and a serve as the acting chair of the Sacramento

5676
08:26:03,860 --> 08:26:10,600
County Civil Service Commission. I am deeply concerned about the proposal to

5677
08:26:10,600 --> 08:26:15,840
place our administrative staff under the Department of Personnel Services. The

5678
08:26:15,840 --> 08:26:20,820
very department we are responsible for overseeing. This will significantly

5679
08:26:20,820 --> 08:26:25,440
compromise the Commission's independence. Even if commissioners remain

5680
08:26:25,440 --> 08:26:31,500
independent, placing our staff inside DPS creates an inherent conflict of

5681
08:26:31,500 --> 08:26:36,880
interest because the department we oversee would also be preparing the

5682
08:26:36,880 --> 08:26:38,340
materials for our oversight.

5683
08:26:38,960 --> 08:26:43,200
Over my two and a half years on the commission, I have been able to question

5684
08:26:43,200 --> 08:26:48,420
DPS freely, disagree when necessary, and advocate for more equitable

5685
08:26:48,420 --> 08:26:54,120
employment practices. That independence allows us to provide an unbiased

5686
08:26:54,120 --> 08:26:57,220
review without any undue influence from DPS.

5687
08:26:57,220 --> 08:27:04,080
us. Moving our staff into DPS eliminates the separation that protects the integrity of

5688
08:27:04,080 --> 08:27:09,460
our oversight and ensures the public's trust and the impartial civil service system. This

5689
08:27:09,460 --> 08:27:14,420
is precisely why large employers like the state of California and City of Sacramento

5690
08:27:14,420 --> 08:27:19,460
maintain independent civil service commissions in the light. Thank you so much for your

5691
08:27:19,460 --> 08:27:25,920
time and consideration. Thank you Sally. And we have no additional speakers. You

5692
08:27:25,920 --> 08:27:28,280
You know, Alice as the executive director,

5693
08:27:28,520 --> 08:27:31,560
I just have some questions that I need to get answered.

5694
08:27:32,680 --> 08:27:35,480
How long have you been on the Civil Service Commission?

5695
08:27:36,180 --> 08:27:39,540
I was appointed by the Commission in January of 2013.

5696
08:27:40,500 --> 08:27:43,560
And has the Commission ever expressed disappointment

5697
08:27:43,560 --> 08:27:45,260
of the work that you have performed

5698
08:27:45,260 --> 08:27:46,340
with the Civil Service Commission?

5699
08:27:46,820 --> 08:27:47,080
No.

5700
08:27:47,820 --> 08:27:50,820
When did you first learn that DPS was proposing

5701
08:27:50,820 --> 08:27:54,020
to eliminate or to make changes to the department?

5702
08:27:54,020 --> 08:28:00,800
The first time I learned two business days before the meeting in February, I received

5703
08:28:00,800 --> 08:28:06,100
a phone call from County Executive's Office Wednesday afternoon telling me to wait until

5704
08:28:06,100 --> 08:28:09,040
the agenda item was dropped so I could see what the proposal was.

5705
08:28:10,300 --> 08:28:13,080
This time I found out because I looked at the agenda.

5706
08:28:14,660 --> 08:28:19,160
So I essentially learned again Wednesday before when the agenda dropped.

5707
08:28:19,320 --> 08:28:20,020
That's how I learned.

5708
08:28:20,020 --> 08:28:29,120
And even though, I must say, I specifically under several circumstances asked county exec

5709
08:28:29,120 --> 08:28:32,340
to let me know when this was going to come before me again.

5710
08:28:32,400 --> 08:28:36,620
And I was assured multiple times that the DPS director would tell me, and that did

5711
08:28:36,620 --> 08:28:37,100
not happen.

5712
08:28:39,900 --> 08:28:42,240
You've been on this commission for a long time.

5713
08:28:43,160 --> 08:28:47,240
Why do you think that this proposal is coming before us?

5714
08:28:47,360 --> 08:28:49,520
Like, what are your thoughts?

5715
08:28:49,520 --> 08:28:56,280
thoughts, because you heard a lot of things that are so different from what I've investigated

5716
08:28:56,280 --> 08:29:02,880
and analyzed, and so what are your thoughts? Why do you think these changes are coming about?

5717
08:29:03,960 --> 08:29:06,740
I mean, I have my assumption, but what are your thoughts?

5718
08:29:06,820 --> 08:29:11,860
I'm going to be frank with you, because I'm on my way out. I'm on my way out. I think

5719
08:29:11,860 --> 08:29:15,920
that DPS was having to be accountable for the actions and the delays in the class

5720
08:29:15,920 --> 08:29:18,640
studies and they looked at the commission as a scapegoat.

5721
08:29:20,730 --> 08:29:22,390
That's what the data shows, by the way.

5722
08:29:23,270 --> 08:29:31,550
Has the commission delayed some class studies? I'm sure we are not that we have. And when Mr.

5723
08:29:31,650 --> 08:29:35,230
Robin says that there have been times where I asked him to tell me which class study over

5724
08:29:35,230 --> 08:29:40,190
another to put on the agenda, that is true. Because I am one person that staffs the

5725
08:29:40,190 --> 08:29:45,010
commission. I can only put so many items on an agenda at a time that require a staff report

5726
08:29:45,010 --> 08:29:52,070
And to put together a packet there. I can't have somebody ask me to put something on the agenda the Monday before the meeting on Friday

5727
08:29:52,070 --> 08:29:59,070
If there are I would give them the opportunity to tell me what's your priority? What's the priority? Let's move all I'm willing

5728
08:30:00,000 --> 08:30:04,840
But I have 24 hours in a day to get things ready. That's all the time there is in a day.

5729
08:30:05,480 --> 08:30:13,040
And so that does exist. But I honestly believe that we have become the scapegoat. I have invoked

5730
08:30:13,040 --> 08:30:19,700
changes to the classification process. Since this particular issue came up before February,

5731
08:30:20,260 --> 08:30:25,260
I immediately went back to my desk and came up with three different ways to improve the

5732
08:30:25,260 --> 08:30:30,880
classification study process. I met with the DPS director, I conveyed those to

5733
08:30:30,880 --> 08:30:36,000
county executive and they are in place today. One of them includes completely

5734
08:30:36,000 --> 08:30:40,520
condensing my analysis to a one-and-a-half page memo. I have told

5735
08:30:40,520 --> 08:30:45,040
Department of Personnel Services, bring me the study and I'll put them on the

5736
08:30:45,040 --> 08:30:54,260
agenda. I cannot schedule what I do not have. Right now you have 37 class

5737
08:30:54,260 --> 08:31:01,020
studies that are in the pipeline for DPS. 37. Your DPS director tells me that I

5738
08:31:01,020 --> 08:31:06,060
should be scheduling between 20 and 100 class studies on every single agenda.

5739
08:31:06,640 --> 08:31:11,420
How do I get that out of when there's only 37 in the pipeline and some of

5740
08:31:11,420 --> 08:31:16,460
those have already been approved by the Commission. When I ask about delays,

5741
08:31:18,640 --> 08:31:29,100
show the delays, the DPS director blamed me. He blamed me that DPS staff could not work

5742
08:31:29,100 --> 08:31:33,180
on the class studies because they were afraid that I would ask questions or have concerns.

5743
08:31:37,210 --> 08:31:41,690
So I think really I am a one-person show and it's easy to blame me.

5744
08:31:42,270 --> 08:31:48,810
Alice, what are your thoughts on the suggestions that they are making about the process

5745
08:31:48,810 --> 08:31:55,370
improvements. I mean you've been doing this a long time. You know the work inside out then what do

5746
08:31:55,370 --> 08:32:02,890
you foresee on we make these changes? We talked about process improvements and we're all big fans of

5747
08:32:02,890 --> 08:32:08,370
efficiency. Absolutely. What do you think is going to happen? I don't know what's going to happen

5748
08:32:08,370 --> 08:32:13,450
but I think that it's not going to be good for the county. I really don't. I believe in

5749
08:32:13,450 --> 08:32:19,970
efficiency and effectiveness. When I came on board 13 years ago, I looked at how ineffective

5750
08:32:19,970 --> 08:32:24,990
class studies were run. Yes, the commission met a lot, and they had a lot of class studies

5751
08:32:24,990 --> 08:32:31,270
on the agenda. But what happened was those class studies, it took two, three, four meetings

5752
08:32:31,270 --> 08:32:36,270
to get them approved. I instilled efficiencies so that they would go to the commission

5753
08:32:36,270 --> 08:32:42,010
and get out the door. I'm all about operational efficiencies. I have been in the public

5754
08:32:42,010 --> 08:32:51,090
sector for 40 years. I believe that. If you move the staff under DPS, DPS will control what

5755
08:32:51,090 --> 08:32:57,570
that individual does. I don't care what is said today, I have observed the pressure that

5756
08:32:57,570 --> 08:33:03,940
is being played. I'm a tough cookie and I know how I feel. I don't know how the

5757
08:33:03,940 --> 08:33:10,380
person would be, especially in an exempt position. When they are exempt and they are supposed

5758
08:33:10,380 --> 08:33:16,240
to staff the commission. What happens when the commission gives them a directive that's different than personnel director?

5759
08:33:18,530 --> 08:33:23,010
They better go with what the personnel director says or they're going to lose their job because they're exempt.

5760
08:33:23,990 --> 08:33:24,630
Thank you, Alice.

5761
08:33:25,890 --> 08:33:26,730
Do you have any other questions?

5762
08:33:27,110 --> 08:33:38,190
No, I think you've answered some of the ones related to I think the information that was getting sent and it was very contrary to what I had looked

5763
08:33:38,190 --> 08:33:44,350
and I pulled it from your website and it just wasn't adding up, but just the whole process

5764
08:33:44,350 --> 08:33:49,970
itself has been. Yeah, the concerns that I have is really the process that it took to

5765
08:33:49,970 --> 08:33:54,950
get to this point. Thank you very much. I appreciate your comments. Thank you.

5766
08:33:59,640 --> 08:34:00,880
So no more requests

5767
08:34:00,880 --> 08:34:07,420
to speak? No more requests to speak. Online. Okay. The floor is yours, gentlemen. Moved

5768
08:34:07,420 --> 08:34:10,180
staff recommended. Second.

5769
08:34:12,200 --> 08:34:14,600
Supervisor, wait, we have a comment. Supervisor Dozen? I do.

5770
08:34:14,980 --> 08:34:20,420
A comment really quiescent would ask for a friendly amendment to the motion. Supervisor

5771
08:34:20,420 --> 08:34:26,620
Hume made a point before we left about, look, let's see if it's better after we implement

5772
08:34:26,620 --> 08:34:32,020
this. And if it's not, then the board can go a different direction. So what my friendly

5773
08:34:32,020 --> 08:34:36,380
amendment would be, can we either a year or two, I don't know, a year from implementation

5774
08:34:36,760 --> 08:34:39,520
come back to the board, two years from implementation,

5775
08:34:39,900 --> 08:34:41,100
come back to the board, yeah.

5776
08:34:41,340 --> 08:34:42,100
I would accept two years,

5777
08:34:42,140 --> 08:34:43,360
anything less than that's difficult for you.

5778
08:34:43,360 --> 08:34:44,380
Okay, no, that's fine.

5779
08:34:44,560 --> 08:34:45,820
Two years, come back to this board,

5780
08:34:46,100 --> 08:34:49,000
and if this new model is not working, then we change it.

5781
08:34:49,060 --> 08:34:50,560
That would be my request for a friendly amendment,

5782
08:34:50,600 --> 08:34:52,060
if that's okay with the makers of the motion.

5783
08:34:52,940 --> 08:34:55,040
But I would also say one other thing,

5784
08:34:55,160 --> 08:34:58,440
it's very disheartening to see what's happened

5785
08:34:58,440 --> 08:34:59,260
on this board today,

5786
08:34:59,440 --> 08:35:00,980
and then kind of the lack of, I think,

5787
08:35:01,060 --> 08:35:02,960
of civility that intruded upon this discussion.

5788
08:35:03,140 --> 08:35:04,920
That's something I have not seen

5789
08:35:04,920 --> 08:35:11,300
in my experience on this board. But I would also say, DPS, you can no longer point the

5790
08:35:11,300 --> 08:35:17,960
finger at anybody with this change. This begins and ends with you and we will be holding you

5791
08:35:17,960 --> 08:35:22,100
accountable for improving the system now. So I just want to make that very, very clear.

5792
08:35:22,500 --> 08:35:23,240
So thank you.

5793
08:35:23,760 --> 08:35:25,600
Okay, we have a motion in the second. Please vote.

5794
08:35:29,830 --> 08:35:31,430
Oh, sorry. Sorry, I did the same

5795
08:35:31,430 --> 08:35:35,350
thing again. Go back. Sorry. There you go.

5796
08:35:43,170 --> 08:35:51,310
All right, that motion passes three to one with Super chair Rodriguez voting next item please yeah,

5797
08:35:55,470 --> 08:35:56,410
you want to read the next time

5798
08:35:56,410 --> 08:36:02,710
Yeah, the next item on our agenda is number 35 county executive comments. I have no comments today. Thank you. Okay

5799
08:36:03,290 --> 08:36:05,190
Yeah, I got a few comments

5800
08:36:06,930 --> 08:36:08,950
More of a request to

5801
08:36:11,510 --> 08:36:12,650
Actually, I could do those later.

5802
08:36:12,850 --> 08:36:16,950
The only request I have right now for the next meeting is for the Sheriff's Department

5803
08:36:16,950 --> 08:36:25,950
to send us a letter about a position that they have been wanting to get, it's a position

5804
08:36:25,950 --> 08:36:29,310
that they've been wanting that would be a trade-in for another, if we have a discussion

5805
08:36:29,310 --> 08:36:31,470
with that, it's the letter that we received.

5806
08:36:31,850 --> 08:36:32,130
There's a-

5807
08:36:32,130 --> 08:36:33,990
I don't recall it being a trade for another position.

5808
08:36:34,070 --> 08:36:36,290
Is that the leadership position over Correctional Health?

5809
08:36:36,470 --> 08:36:37,110
I think so, yeah.

5810
08:36:37,370 --> 08:36:37,570
Okay.

5811
08:36:37,570 --> 08:36:42,350
Yeah, we're still trying to decipher some of that information, but we'll see what we

5812
08:36:42,350 --> 08:36:43,290
can do as far as getting information from.

5813
08:36:43,290 --> 08:36:43,890
Yeah, I'd like that discussion.

5814
08:36:44,390 --> 08:36:48,790
And also at some point have a conversation about the adult correctional health and where

5815
08:36:48,790 --> 08:36:49,510
it currently sits.

5816
08:36:50,470 --> 08:36:51,390
Where it currently sits?

5817
08:36:51,610 --> 08:36:52,230
What do you mean by that?

5818
08:36:52,230 --> 08:36:53,710
Right now it's with our health department.

5819
08:36:54,230 --> 08:36:54,450
Yes.

5820
08:36:54,630 --> 08:37:01,170
And I'd like to have a conversation about possible opportunities for the sheriff

5821
08:37:01,730 --> 08:37:04,670
what had an interest in potentially taking that item back.

5822
08:37:05,050 --> 08:37:05,770
Oh yes, absolutely.

5823
08:37:06,010 --> 08:37:06,870
We'd like to have that conversation.

5824
08:37:06,870 --> 08:37:10,690
Great. Thank you. All right. That's it. All right. Well, we now adjourn at 6.02 p.m.