[This transcript was generated automatically from audio using AI and hasn't been reviewed by a person -- it can contain mistakes, including plausible-sounding sentences that were never actually said. Treat it as a starting point, not a verbatim record.] [0:02] I know. [0:15] That would really be nice, as far as I'm concerned, but we're used to it. [0:22] Some cities [0:23] did? Yeah, I know the bill was good. In Louisville, I thought. [0:32] Yeah, [0:35] and as soon [1:13] as [1:34] you [1:34] I'm not talking about it. [1:36] And you don't want to slow down. [1:38] Yeah, exactly. [1:39] Good [1:53] morning. [1:54] Can you join me to play the music? [1:57] I play the music to the flag of the United States of America. [2:02] And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, [2:06] under God, and indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [2:20] OK. [2:21] We have before he would, the minutes of either vote says November 20th, it would be December 18th, minutes, other than the date of the meeting. [2:36] In addition to the motion to refer to, [2:42] I'm hearing of Lieutenant Motion to approve the minutes of the December 18th meeting. [2:48] And make that motion by again. [2:51] I'll second it. [2:53] Through that. [2:54] I'll take my block. [2:57] Rick. [2:58] Yes. [2:58] Yes. [2:59] Rick's hand. [3:00] Yes. [3:00] Cold. [3:01] Yes, Dan. [3:02] Yes. [3:05] Dan. [3:05] Yes. [3:17] I'll make that motion that we've proved. [3:21] I'll second it. [3:22] I'll second my card in the discussion then yes, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, [3:38] I'm going to give you a little bit from the agenda, I'm going to make my comment for [3:46] I worked there over the, that's it, took Travis. [3:51] So you can concentrate on him one of the first things [3:55] of the interview, it's a good time to take a look back [3:58] past year and appreciate what was accomplished. [4:02] And take the glance ahead at 2024. [4:07] Again, the year went by rapidly and was busy. [4:10] If you recall, we started in 2023, the files of snow [4:14] everywhere, some zero temperatures [4:16] was half in the town and messed with an excavation from a waterline replacement project. [4:22] When winter finally left and the trenches dried out, we got the repainting done. [4:29] Soon after that, we commenced to disable the busiest intersection in the county to replace [4:35] the sewer line and railroad tracks. [4:38] The Pike Pratt intersection was e-tour for 76 days, although it seemed much longer. [4:46] I greatly appreciate the patience that our citizens displayed during the water line replacement in the Pike Pratt sewer project. [4:55] Between those two projects, we worked on getting the city's water and sewer rates restricted to a level that would allow the city to make low payments on complete projects [5:06] and applied for remaining improvements that lie ahead. [5:10] Engineering West presented and reached [5:13] study to the council late March. [5:15] Good input was received at the town hall meeting [5:19] and the public hearing for the council approved [5:22] the new rates of October. [5:26] Sheree, the entire is the new city clerk treasure [5:29] on January 3rd, 2023. [5:33] Tomorrow will mark her one year anniversary. [5:37] in the end of her probation period, a dental keeper. She's done a incredible job of learning the [5:46] complexities of this job. She had to do it all on her own, she had to figure out who to call, [5:53] but to figure out what language they were speaking, and put it all together. She just did an amazing job. [6:00] The fortunate time around her came. I think we should get her around the problems. [6:11] So then we heard Cassie Thompson on March 13th as a water clerk and deputy clerk trader [6:17] and I've received so many comments on the job that she does meet the public in our front window [6:24] and the job that both Cassie and Sherry are doing. [6:31] So beyond that we got to learn about T. Hanger's Pickleball Accord Spike 2 and the Lunar Allies [6:36] and food trucks. [6:36] We developed a new special use permit, application and questionnaire, and then we promoted one of our officers to sergeants. [6:46] There in Ukraine was promoted to sergeant. [6:50] As we look ahead, we have some projects and plans on their rising city needs additional water sources. [6:55] Exactly looking to a fire land that will meet the specifications for a water well. [7:00] We hope to continue to improve the facilities that it could be parked, and there are additional sewer system projects that need to be done. [7:08] We'll be updating the growth policy and hiring new police chiefs to the police. [7:15] There are ten of them. [7:16] It's a great day. [7:19] It's good to head to the Mayo back. [7:21] Dan and I are back. [7:24] We welcome Dennis. [7:28] I want to thank the council for the hard work this past year. [7:32] Thank you all so much for the City Hall staff. [7:36] City Attorney. [7:36] Public Works Director and Staff, our City Law Enforcement Officers, your efforts may [7:42] close. The great place that is to live and raise a family. Looking forward to [7:47] coming here. It's going to go quickly. It's going to be busy and there will be [7:53] challenges. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [8:00] Travis was going to discuss the water [8:03] Thank you. Well the city asked me to do a little report, I don't know if you have copies of it, but yeah. In 2020, Western [8:15] Real Motor Services did a report to the city and outlined some possible locations of it, probably well, that [8:21] was somebody replacing it. I don't know that. The island wealth might extend, and we can be problematic as we're losing, [8:35] as [8:35] So the city needs to start looking for a new water source in order to meet a maximum daily demand criteria like VQ. [8:45] VQ looks at that as you look at your maximum daily demand for your water usage. [8:49] You take your highest boosting well out of the equation and your other wells have to be used. [8:53] Right now we have three wells. We have the iron well, which I believe is about 250 gallons a minute. [8:58] is what you're taking from that. [9:01] We have the bear tooth well at about 300 gallons a minute [9:04] and the hair is well about 300 gallons a minute. [9:07] And so if you take one of those out, [9:08] you have about 550 gallons per minute, [9:11] which, for my understanding, [9:12] and reading some of the previous reports, [9:14] it's kind of meeting your maximum daily demand right now. [9:18] But if we were to lose the item, [9:19] well, obviously we don't have the capacity that we need. [9:22] So in 2020, that Western ground water service report [9:27] that I don't know if you've seen it or not, [9:30] I remember it, I'll find some of the locations. [9:33] One in City Hall here, those are test well [9:35] the other are in City Hall. [9:37] It was sampled, the water analysis came back [9:39] really hard, a lot of issues with that hard water. [9:43] And one of the, another location was the SAR, [9:46] the search and rescue property, [9:47] the county house, maybe the location there. [9:50] There was a thing, maybe the church just north of here, [9:53] there was a possible location, and those sites, [9:57] And in that report, they recommended, [9:59] well, what should that be the best location? [10:01] Well, since then, the bear juice manner has closed down. [10:06] So, I'll buy the Lantis Corporation. [10:09] Lantis has some property just north of that [10:11] as a vacant lot of pretty familiar with that. [10:14] And my understanding is that it's available for sale. [10:17] So, that's something that recently came available. [10:20] I've reached out to Mark with Western groundwater sources. [10:25] sources, and he says, that was his private, that was probably the best location, just [10:30] at that time he did his report, it was not available for sales, but it was not on his [10:34] target or his scope of work where he looked at it, but he says, if that's something [10:39] available, he agreed with me when we looked at that location, that's probably the best location [10:43] for New Public World, for your new water supply. [10:47] The reason why it's the best, because it's large enough, you can, if you think about a new [10:51] well that goes in the ground, we have to draw a circle around that well, it's called [10:56] a well-acellation zone, it's a 104 radius around that circle. That circle, or that [11:01] isolation zone has to be protected, you cannot have sewer lines running through it, if you [11:06] have streets and roads, there's a potential contamination from fluids, from vehicles, gasoline, [11:12] spills, things that run off the streets that can contaminate the well, those are issues. [11:17] other potential sources contamination as neighboring properties. [11:21] If that isolation zone goes across a neighboring property, [11:24] you have to get an easement from that angle, [11:26] because they can't store hazardous material, [11:28] things like that within that circle, so you can protect your well ahead. [11:32] So all the other locations that we looked at, [11:34] I was looked at by Western groundwater sources [11:37] and services of myself, [11:39] search and rescue property, city hall, [11:42] all these sources, that isolation zone goes off the property. [11:46] Probably the best next location would probably be the searching recipe for this type of property. [11:51] But with that you have the old highway 10 that runs through your isolation zone. [11:56] You also have railroad tracks and then you have to, which is owned by the railroad, [12:00] you'd have to get easements from the railroad and you'd have to get easements from the property [12:04] order to the west because it would encroach upon that property. [12:08] So that's an ideal if you can get easements. [12:11] So, the land's property again comes back to probably the best location because it's large [12:16] enough we can put a well, a new well there that stays out of 80 sewer lines. [12:22] We can protect a well-isolation zone, if beyond its own property that you would own and [12:27] so that you have control of what's being developed there in place there, you can protect [12:30] that source. [12:34] So, that's kind of what we're moving forward. [12:36] That was my recommendation. [12:37] In my report, December 11th report to the city was if possible, that would be my recommendation [12:44] for a new water supply. [12:46] Now, with that, I also looked at your water rights as water rights, I don't know if the board [12:53] is with the water rights issues, but right now you have three water rights or reservations. [13:02] which was done in 1906, you have the bear juice, well which is a temporary permit. [13:12] And it's in its expires next year, December 31, 2025. [13:16] And the heritage well does not have a water right up there. [13:20] So I talked with the nursing with Mark over there and I kind of got a load down on what's going on with the city water rights. [13:26] and there's a reservation out to surface water for the Elscore River we have that [13:31] we're needed to use surface water but as far as our groundwater and wells for [13:37] groundwater source we really have one provisional water running which is the R212 [13:41] and that's where 1,000 gallons a minute and like I said that is due or runs out next [13:48] year. So the Maritube well has the provisional water [13:55] So I talked to the NRC and he said that I told him, well, the state is looking at doing [13:59] the new well. [14:00] How can we best get our permanent water right for all three wells once we're done with [14:05] this? [14:05] And they said, under the provisional water right, we can include the heritage well. [14:09] We can include, say, the new well, if it was the land that's brought here. [14:12] We can include that under that. [14:15] But you have to develop it. [14:17] You have to put that ground water source to work, to use, and what the data should put in [14:21] on water, right? And then you actually have to do a construction. Certificates, you know, [14:27] everything has been done. So those are things that I think the council and the city needs [14:34] to be aware of is that deadline that's looming coming out. We can't get an extension for [14:38] that provisional water, right? Because if you were to move forward with a new well, it's going [14:43] to take time to get a test well developed, pump testing done, water analysis done, then [14:51] to get that permit for you to construct the actual public forest and then you have to develop this building. [15:02] So we can do another extension with that plan moving forward, and that new waterway, my recommendation is to combine all three into that one waterway. That's a regional waterway of a thousand pounds. That would be 300 gallons a minute if you use an heritage, 300 out there too, then we can do, you know, 400 out this new well or whatever. So as we go within a thousand gallons a minute, we have that additional waterway. Why is it only that much? [15:32] Maybe Dennis gets shit in my eye, I always let Mark do that. [15:37] He was very good. [15:39] Yeah. [15:40] Reservations. [15:41] Yup. [15:42] It's very good. [15:43] And he's wonderful. [15:44] And got an extension back then, because I think he got a three-year extension back. [15:49] So it must have been 2022, because that extension is at December 31st. [15:53] But we would keep the island right also. [15:56] Yes. [15:56] So that's not separate. [15:58] It has its own water right now. [16:01] But the other two wells, the heritage and the veriches, [16:04] well, the veriches is the only well-listed [16:06] in the provisional water, right? [16:07] The heritage has nothing. [16:08] You didn't even know what the heritage was like. [16:10] What? [16:10] You didn't know the well? [16:11] So well, we can easily incorporate it [16:13] into the thousand gallon minute, [16:14] because those two are only doing 600 gallons of minute. [16:19] So it's something that we kind of need to attack with both. [16:22] I think they counsel these before and after the city. [16:25] I don't know if I address it as a new water well, but I'll also get a permanent water right [16:31] and file and configure for all three wells. [16:39] The question? [16:41] Well, so the well, if we, the landis property that's out there, there's nothing that [16:47] guarantees us that that water is not going to be hard. [16:49] Are there any wells that are nearby that have been tested? [16:52] Yeah, so I'm not far, if you know where I live and where that property is. [16:57] I have an irrigation well. [16:58] We pumped it for about four hours here a couple of weeks ago for Christmas, not the whole gamut, [17:06] but we ran some of the tests of energy lab. That well, my well was probably three times better [17:12] than the city's well. It's very on par with heritage well and the bear too as well. The only thing that [17:20] was a little higher and that was I had iron in mind, but my well casing has been there for 20 years [17:25] and we only pumped it at about 10 gallons a minute [17:29] for about four hours. [17:31] So, anticipation is if you did a new test well there, [17:33] I think there's no other, when you look at the heritage well, [17:37] the heritage is well, the island well, [17:39] there is no iron that's ever been detected [17:41] in those water sources. [17:43] And they're all drilled about the same. [17:44] My well is at 54 feet. [17:47] The other wells, your public wells, [17:49] there's a range from up to about 64 feet. [17:51] So, they're all about the same level. [17:53] So, for some reason my well, there's much better new city hall while I'm not sure what's [17:59] going on here, but they have really high alkalinity, high hardness, the baretooth and heritage [18:05] well are very similar as far as alkalinity, hardness, and conductivity as well I have in my [18:10] yard. [18:11] So, I'm hoping if you were to do that, dude, that we wouldn't see iron because we have a [18:16] new well casing that's just real and we pump it for 72 hours before you sample it. [18:21] It could just be residual floating iron that's in my mouth from the deteriorating molecules. [18:29] So you have to buy the property before you go to do that? [18:33] I would recommend it. [18:33] Or is there a possibility? [18:35] Yes. [18:36] My recommendation, and it's in my report that there's certain contingencies that you put in a body cell. [18:41] If you're interested in that property, you know, you definitely require contingency that the city is allowed to go to a test well. [18:47] That test will it be a six inch well, the smaller down real well, [18:51] that they can drill to 55, 60 feet, [18:54] and then we pump tested for eight hours [18:55] at the end of that real water sample. [18:57] The other contingency is there's the quality quantity [19:00] and dependability has to come back to the satisfactory of the city. [19:04] So before you purchase that product. [19:06] Now that means the city's going to have to, obviously, [19:08] as the expense of building a well and doing that, [19:11] but it's going to be a lot cheaper than pulling a trigger [19:13] out of the expense of this product. [19:15] You'll know whether you want to buy the crop of your, that's my rating condition. [19:23] What about outlying wells, yours, and other people that have wells in that area, is [19:29] it's probably going to raise a fit over us putting a well there and using water that's going [19:36] to... [19:36] Oh, as far as depletion. [19:38] Concentration. [19:40] You always have that possibility, people will do that. [19:44] DNRC is going to look at that, part of that water right is when you do a 72 hour test, [19:49] they do the modeling, we submit the data to them, and now actually hydrologists do the [19:53] modeling to make sure nobody in other water right will be interfered with, and so that's [19:57] what one thing DNRC in our water right ensures that we're not doing that. [20:01] But yes, definitely get that comment. [20:04] Anybody can protest. [20:05] You bet. [20:06] Water right. [20:06] Yep. [20:07] Yep. [20:07] But I think you also monitor what you're doing in your pump test for 72 hour. [20:12] and monitoring the existing wells in the areas first. [20:14] Like you could do mine or other ones, [20:16] and so we have probes into that monitor. [20:18] And that's part of that modeling, [20:20] is we give them the production, [20:21] drop down the test well, and an observation, or two, [20:25] so that they can put that in the modeling, [20:27] and then they model the wells that they have in the area [20:29] to see what really is. [20:31] If we're pumping 350 gallons or 400 gallons a minute out of the well, [20:34] what does it do to that? [20:36] And so that we don't have that problem, [20:38] because water rights first come first served kind [20:44] I don't know because they're all in our case, I could look, we could definitely get a category of those ought to be at the end of the year if they're registered. [20:51] But I don't think you have a, is there a lot of information? [20:54] There's many close to them. [20:56] Right. [20:56] I think there's still our heights. [21:00] Bob's got them. [21:01] I don't know. [21:02] No. [21:03] Oh, of course. [21:04] That's right, sir. [21:05] Coopers are on the list to drill one. [21:08] Yeah, we have to drill again. [21:09] West and bottom. [21:09] Here are the clouds of water. [21:11] It's usually there at 35 gallons. [21:14] And if those wells are all in the 35 gallons of water, [21:16] that's because they're exact clouds. [21:19] So each one of those private wells, [21:22] are they governed by the water rights, then, too? [21:26] Yes, they filed one. [21:27] Okay. [21:28] So like in my case, I filed for, it's called the 602 [21:31] with DNRC is to exempt the water well, you pay their, well, they just won't have the [21:35] yesterday, but it was not. You pay your $100, $200, and then they give you an [21:41] exempt water right, which is up to 35 gallons a minute and under a 10 acre [21:44] fee per year. And so that's the standard. Anything over there requires a water right [21:49] and actually going through the process of a water right, which the city has done, [21:53] and that's what that provision of water right is right now. You can add that. [21:56] that, it's just needing to be completed in order to make an official permit water, that's [22:02] the one time period you're that, you're, so what time period? [22:06] In the aquifer perspective, are all those wells in the same aquifer, I know you don't [22:14] know where, where you're going to run into water, but I would say, they're not, they could [22:19] not, I mean, my well is right on the oluvial and the almost dumb, so my well is very similar [22:24] to the island well because it's right there next to the old school. As you get back [22:28] further, we can definitely get into some different. Because when you look at the [22:32] quality, in the city hall, I don't know what's going on with this well. It's [22:37] completely different for me, for example. The closer to the river, it was going to be better. [22:44] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. More water moving. Right. We tested this one several times, and it's still [22:50] Yeah, really. [22:51] It's three times higher than my law. [22:53] And as far as affluent, the effectiveness, specific conductivity, total dissolved solace, [22:59] it's very, very, very, very high. [23:01] The first of the nursing. [23:01] The first of the nursing goes towards the goods. [23:02] It does. [23:03] Yeah, and that's a whole different outcome. [23:05] And as you get up by the interstate, you go across the interstate and you're completely out [23:08] of the alluvial category of the fractured rocks. [23:12] And you may not even get away on the other side. [23:14] You know, you should. [23:15] It's kind of hidden mess. [23:17] So right here, if we're at this kind of an alluvial aquifer. [23:21] I'll be able to stand. [23:27] Big other questions. [23:29] Thank you, thank you very much, thank you very much. [23:34] And one of the awesome folks here, I don't have anything further than what's in my report. [23:50] I don't have anything further than that. [23:58] If you have questions for Katie, you could give us an answer. [24:06] Right? [24:07] I didn't break one, I figured you guys know what I'm going to do about it. [24:11] Vacation for you. [24:12] Yeah. [24:12] I'm going to put it in the square. [24:15] That's right. [24:16] Yeah. [24:20] Jerry? [24:21] I cannot think of that much on my report. [24:24] When you do have a report, somebody out. [24:27] For the court. [24:30] Yes. [24:30] And we're giving the report. [24:32] I'm assuming. [24:33] And if I may, I'm just talking to this Cornell about the numbers of hearing. [24:39] This is a quote rough draft and a next meeting, a little bit of my own draft of this. [24:45] So, because I talked to a lot of some vendors and I just said it's a rough draft. [24:51] Quite there yet. [24:53] Okay. [24:56] Okay. [24:57] Is there any public comment on the current agenda? [25:01] On the comment on current agenda items? [25:04] No. [25:04] We have a new business, we have a special use permit for a bicycle toer, to use a 24 or 24. [25:21] That's the same one that the one that was just dating her before. [25:24] No, oh, so it's different out there. [25:26] I think it's just, from what I can tell from the huge community, it's just a one-day tour [25:35] of Red Lodge back in here, and then I can't see where [25:43] is that one last few. [25:45] Some of them was one of them. It was about 4 or 5. [25:49] It's pretty different. I don't know if it's any of you or not. [25:53] on [25:57] the table. [25:58] The motion for the approval of the special use program. [26:01] I make a motion with you this, actually you furnished the [26:03] mongan and the board. [26:05] I'm here at Smart Conjunio 23rd and 24th. [26:08] Motion by Cole. [26:09] You second? [26:10] Second by Dennis. [26:11] Is there any discussion? [26:15] Gannon? [26:16] Yes. [26:17] Bob? [26:17] You have Cole. [26:18] Yes, Chris? [26:19] Yes, Gannon. [26:20] Yes, Rick? [26:20] Yes. [26:21] Motion by. [26:25] Next item is a resolution in 5.0. [26:29] So that's 2020-23 resolution for the City of Public Operations and the negotiations for [26:35] the purchase of a certain real property for the site of the City of New Public Water [26:41] as well. [26:42] Public Water Supply. [26:47] Yes, we talked about it. [26:50] So upon reading Travis's report and put together a proposed resolution, I'd do a couple [26:59] of things for us. [27:01] It would basically allow the mayor in the room, it doesn't need to enter into the negotiation [27:06] through. [27:06] It also, it was also proposed by the same services part of the state to act as our fire [27:12] and the negotiations and basically come together and get a proposed by [27:18] sub-german at a later meeting for council to begin ultimately go on for a [27:23] group one or not. There were two recommend contingencies that Travis talked [27:29] about. There was a site assessment as well as the test well. So on the second page [27:35] section one, the three contingencies would be, they do that site assessment, [27:41] to do a test while I come to test the well and then ultimately the agreement have to be approved by Council as well. [27:49] So, give basically the authority to the management negotiations and utilize services with parts drill safe as a fire's agent. [27:57] And then once if there's successful negotiations, bring it and propose by self finalize more three books about what is the word of the money coming from. [28:17] And we're also getting CMAs done on the property of the city currently owns that we can potentially [28:23] sell to offset some of the costs. [28:26] So I will potentially present those at next meeting. [28:32] We have a ballpark to give you a bunch of rastings and how much area is it? [28:37] We know that they're asked for $4,000. [28:39] Okay. [28:40] How much? [28:41] $4,000. [28:43] We're going to give you $2,000, $2,000, $2,000. [28:46] Yeah. [28:47] Yeah. [28:48] We're going to keep the mic. [28:51] We're about a bargaining position. [28:54] Yeah. [28:56] I guess we could say $1,000. [29:06] We're going to try to get it from the good of the town and get it from the best price we can. [29:12] It's always the size of the good of them, sorry. [29:14] Not too navigation. [29:22] Okay, well, I look down to discuss this further, but how many came of motion to weigh the reading [29:28] and the resolution? [29:29] I'm [29:32] going to move to the reading of the resolution. [29:36] Okay. [29:36] Resolution 850. [29:38] Okay. [29:39] Motion by Bob to read. [29:41] Two, wait for the reading. [29:42] Second. [29:43] Second by Cole. [29:44] Any discussion? [29:47] Yes. [29:48] Yes, Kim? [29:49] Yes. [29:50] Cole? [29:51] Yes. [29:51] Bob? [29:52] Yes. [29:52] Daniel? [29:53] Yes. [29:54] Okay. [29:54] Thank you. [29:55] and our general motion for the past records. [30:00] 850-2023. I'll make that motion to be passed by the motion. 850-202. Good motion, aye. 10. I'll second that. Second by Rick. No, very discussion. [30:20] Very good. [30:21] Yes. [30:22] Yes, Bob. [30:23] Yes. [30:24] Yes. [30:25] Yes. [30:27] Yes. [30:28] And motion passes. [30:36] Cargets are on. [30:38] I did not leave you in there. [30:40] This has something to, what Travis was saying that we need to have an extension. [30:45] Is that something that we need to handle now? [30:47] Or can we do that later today? [30:51] He's been talking to them, DNRC, and he's got that under control. [30:57] Okay, [31:00] he's secretly in the [31:10] other side of the motion to adjourn, I'll make that motion. [31:19] Second by Dennis, all the way to say aye. [31:26] All right.