1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,759 All right. Good afternoon. I will call 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,639 to order uh the village board meeting of 3 00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:12,480 August 10th. 4 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:14,960 Let's see. We got Anna and Ter. Okay. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,160 Yeah, we're good to go. Uh Erin, can you 6 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,920 please call the role, please? 7 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,480 » Yes. Trusty Saunders 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,359 » Here. 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,560 » Trusty Saraban 10 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:26,240 » Here. 11 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:31,760 » Trustee Casper here. Trusty Venevon 12 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:34,239 Hoben Deman and um Hower will be absent 13 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:37,040 tonight and then tr uh President Buckley 14 00:00:34,239 --> 00:00:39,840 » Here. Thank you. 15 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,440 » All right. Uh first order of business is 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,200 the consent agenda. We've got three 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,360 items on the agenda. The minutes of the 18 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,399 regular meeting on July 20th, the check 19 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,760 register from July of 2026, and the 20 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:54,879 strategic plan quarterly report. 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Any questions or concerns? 22 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:58,000 And hearing none, I'd entertain a 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,320 motion. Jen will be looking at you a lot 24 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,440 today. 25 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,440 » Yeah, I I kind of had 26 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,039 » I'm seconding because why not? 27 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,760 » Well, I mean they I guess you can if you 28 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:05,439 can chime in. 29 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,320 » Um 30 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:10,880 real quick uh thank you to uh Anna for 31 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:12,640 the uh quarterly report. And with that 32 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,400 said, I move the village board approve 33 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,479 the consent agenda as presented. 34 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,119 » Thank you. Do I hear a second from 35 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:20,000 » Second? 36 00:01:17,119 --> 00:01:22,000 » Thank you, Anna. Excellent. Uh any 37 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,520 further discussion? Hearing none, all 38 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,840 those in favor say I. I 39 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,560 » I 40 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,000 » I 41 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,920 » Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. 42 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,600 » Next under the report of the village M 43 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,040 officers, Mr. Village attorney. 44 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,640 » Nothing to report today, Mr. President. 45 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,640 » Yes, village manager. 46 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,119 » Sure. Um Lake Drive will be one way 47 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,840 northbound only. So no southbound 48 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:44,240 traffic um starting in a few days on 49 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Wednesday, August 12th for two weeks. Uh 50 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,720 so we ask the public to utilize detours 51 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,119 and allow for additional commuting time 52 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:54,159 and appreciate everyone's patience. I 53 00:01:51,119 --> 00:01:56,240 have notified both the side and Fox 54 00:01:54,159 --> 00:02:00,079 Point who will also be sending out that 55 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,360 information to their residents as well. 56 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:07,439 » All right. Thank you. Um 57 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:10,640 it should be noted that SEX is now has a 58 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:13,200 a placard in their front door that says 59 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:17,680 that they are closing on August 23rd and 60 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:20,160 reopening hopefully September 23rd. Um, 61 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:22,480 next I just have to call out the fact 62 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,080 that tomorrow is a election primary and 63 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,239 I hope that everybody in White Fishbay 64 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:31,680 votes and good luck to our staff who are 65 00:02:28,239 --> 00:02:34,640 going to be here for the entire day and 66 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,560 then some. And and finally, Sounds of 67 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:38,319 Summer is on this Saturday and I hope to 68 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,120 see everybody there. Uh thanks in 69 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:44,400 advance to the Wishb Civic Foundation 70 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:48,319 and um village resident Steve Begoon for 71 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:51,519 playing on our stage next Saturday from 72 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:54,480 5 to 10. I think that's the answer. 73 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:57,440 Any miscellaneous trustee reports? Uh 74 00:02:54,480 --> 00:03:02,000 one question. Uh, 75 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:05,519 I know that it's a uh private business, 76 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,400 but are we going to put the Sendex 77 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:12,200 closing date on the weekly rec the 78 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,200 weekly construction update? 79 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,239 » So far, we haven't been communicating 80 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,000 anything. Um, I'm not sure I'm opposed, 81 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:19,360 but I can ask them. I know that they've 82 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,400 been directly communicating with 83 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,400 customers as well. 84 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:28,159 » I understand. It's just if I 85 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,239 I I wouldn't say yes for you know just 86 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:33,200 any business in in the district but 87 00:03:30,239 --> 00:03:35,680 since this is uh something that we are 88 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:39,120 sending weekly updates on I don't I I 89 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,959 think it would be it wouldn't hurt us 90 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,159 especially since traffic is going to 91 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:47,040 already be a mess in that area during 92 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:49,200 the closing um or doing especially the 93 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:53,360 beginning of the closing. Um, I think it 94 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:56,319 it if if people see that and maybe don't 95 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:58,480 go that way on on purpose, that might be 96 00:03:56,319 --> 00:04:00,799 helpful. 97 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,319 » Agreed. 98 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:03,120 » Any other 99 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,319 » Yep. Go ahead. 100 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,560 » I was just going to say I was thinking 101 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:10,080 the same thing. Agreed. 102 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:14,000 » Well, then I just know. 103 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:16,880 » All right. Any other trustee reports? 104 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,400 Then hearing none, I will move on to 105 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,680 petitions and communications. This is an 106 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,519 opportunity for anyone in the audience 107 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,759 to address the village board on any 108 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:26,400 issue that is not on the current agenda. 109 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:29,440 Is there anyone here for an item not on 110 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,360 the current agenda? 111 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Once, twice. Okay, we'll close 112 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,840 petitions, communications, and move on 113 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:38,560 to general business. We've got sixish 114 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:41,600 items on the agenda. The first is a 115 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:44,400 discussion on the 2027 village budget 116 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:48,360 projects, priorities, and visioning. 117 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,360 Jamie, come on down. 118 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,120 » All right. So, [clears throat] this is 119 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,040 something that we added a couple years 120 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,520 ago kind of just to get feedback from 121 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,600 the board on any other items they might 122 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,919 want us to research for the budget. uh 123 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,479 we have done a lot of work in the last 124 00:05:03,919 --> 00:05:08,160 couple of years to kind of help give us 125 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:09,919 guidelines or planning documents for 126 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,080 what we want in the budget. So we've 127 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:13,680 obviously adopted our strategic plan. We 128 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,680 did our capital improvement plan last 129 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,680 year and then also a finan financial 130 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,520 management plan with Ellers which I 131 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,199 think does guide a lot of this. So this 132 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,160 is kind of looking for anything outside 133 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:26,080 of that. Um I did add some other 134 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,800 information this year kind of on the 135 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,360 levy limit increases and the net new 136 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,680 construction. Um we are anticipating 137 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,080 that our 2027 138 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,320 budget will have an allowable increase 139 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,720 about the same as the 2026 budget which 140 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:43,440 was about 60,000. So then that does get 141 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,680 us into using the abated debt to pay for 142 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:49,919 more kind of capital items. So that's 143 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:51,520 all explained here. Um so kind of 144 00:05:49,919 --> 00:05:53,199 getting at just if there's any other 145 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,560 priorities you want us to research. And 146 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:57,520 then the other thing that we were 147 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:59,520 looking for feedback on that did not 148 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:02,560 make it into the memo unfortunately was 149 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:05,280 on um last year the health department we 150 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,720 kind of gave more money to above what 151 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,199 their request was and if there's a 152 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:10,319 desire to do that again um if that's 153 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:11,919 something we should kind of be building 154 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:15,039 into the budget or if we want to see how 155 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:17,680 it shakes out or that. So that is what I 156 00:06:15,039 --> 00:06:19,759 have for you guys and obviously any 157 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:23,360 questions on the memo I'm going to 158 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:25,680 answer. Any trustee questions? Comments? 159 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:30,160 » I I have a few I have a few things to 160 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:32,800 mention. Um first of all, uh thank you 161 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,199 uh for all of this and then all of 162 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,560 what's to come. Uh secondly, my opinion 163 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:39,440 would be we should wait till things 164 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,199 shake out with the health department. Um 165 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,639 I, 166 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:45,360 you know, let's hope that they're not in 167 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:49,280 the same situation they were uh a year 168 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:51,680 ago, but um you know, I think that um 169 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:55,759 either a you know, we should either we 170 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:59,759 should wait and or um allow someone else 171 00:06:55,759 --> 00:07:01,919 in the Northshore to uh um to take a 172 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:05,360 cake at the can. Uh I don't know if 173 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:07,840 anyone else did uh last year, but um 174 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,000 maybe this can be a a jumping off point 175 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,039 for other people to try to budget a 176 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,840 little extra money for the health 177 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:16,080 department as we did last year. Um there 178 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,520 are a couple of there are a couple of 179 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:22,319 smaller things that I have interest in 180 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:24,560 the uh uh interest in staff's uh 181 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:27,280 research regarding the budget. They're 182 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:30,720 small because Jamie, as you mentioned, 183 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,720 um the roadmap that the board and the 184 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,400 staff have laid out over the past few 185 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:39,759 years uh has made this part of the 186 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,840 budget process um 187 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:45,280 uh 188 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,039 almost a moot point, which is fantastic. 189 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Um that said, a couple things that I've 190 00:07:47,039 --> 00:07:56,160 thought about. Uh I'm interested in 191 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:59,199 possible increase in training and travel 192 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:02,400 and training um mostly for staff but 193 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:04,319 also potentially for um village board 194 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,400 members. And that doesn't necessarily 195 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:10,319 have to mean travel. I mean there is a 196 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:14,080 glut of uh 197 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:15,919 thanks to in part to the the the 198 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,039 pandemic now there is a glut of 199 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:22,879 organizations that do online only 200 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:25,120 training uh whether it's live or uh 201 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:26,800 recorded and it's things that don't you 202 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,720 know cost a lot you know depending on 203 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,639 what the uh depending on what the 204 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,000 subject matter is I think it there's 205 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,760 probably there are probably things out 206 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,399 there that would help um that that would 207 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:41,680 help us that would help us all um just 208 00:08:38,399 --> 00:08:44,560 be you know learn more about our our 209 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:47,519 jobs and get it from uh from experts 210 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:48,959 outside of uh outside of the area. Uh 211 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:50,399 you know I think that would start with 212 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:53,680 obviously it would start with department 213 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:55,920 heads uh you know to to see if they have 214 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:58,240 any particular needs. But I know Nyama 215 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:01,839 has done that uh off and on through the 216 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:04,160 years with not only herself but sending 217 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:06,640 uh sending her staff members to to 218 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,560 training opportunities. Uh so I think 219 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:13,080 that that is something that that we 220 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:13,080 should be looking into. Um, 221 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:21,440 I'm also interested with 222 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:24,480 the the opening of 223 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:29,680 the opening of Sendex 224 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:33,120 uh next year. I'm very interested in 225 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:38,480 looking into the potential for 226 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:41,360 an a vast increase in or the development 227 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,680 of a part-time marketing and 228 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:47,360 communications person. 229 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:50,399 I think that this while Sendex it while 230 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:52,720 it's is just the one business that is 231 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:55,839 opening on Silver Spring Drive, you 232 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:57,920 know, in that we know of in 2027, 233 00:09:55,839 --> 00:10:00,320 it is 234 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,800 going to be a huge deal in the 235 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,519 Northshore and really at the east side 236 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,120 in general. I think people are going to 237 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:09,680 um I think people are going to flock to 238 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:13,680 the store and I think we should work 239 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:16,480 with bid. I think we should work with uh 240 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:18,720 with the um 241 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,519 uh who am I missing? Uh Civic 242 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:24,560 Foundation. Uh because we're going to 243 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:26,560 have an opportunity in 2027 to market 244 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:27,680 and promote the crap out of White Fish 245 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:29,440 Bay. 246 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,760 » Um 247 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,560 because and I think this could the 248 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:38,720 opening of Synindex could kickstart 249 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,399 other businesses to give a serious look 250 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:44,399 into our village. 251 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:46,880 And I think we should not be we should 252 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,720 be very proactive 253 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,279 with this and not just rest on our 254 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,800 laurels and say, "Oh, well, Cynics 255 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:56,160 opening will take care of itself." We 256 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:58,560 have an opportunity um and I think an 257 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,800 obligation 258 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:04,560 to not just let the bid do it, to not 259 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:07,839 just let this I think we should be 260 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:09,680 we should be driving that that train. Uh 261 00:11:07,839 --> 00:11:12,560 and I think that 262 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,839 I I would like to know 263 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,200 some different options and I can 264 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,880 certainly talk to you guys later about, 265 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,519 you know, the things I have in mind, but 266 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:22,240 the different options that might that 267 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:25,120 that might entail and what the cost 268 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:29,680 might be. I think that would uh I think 269 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:34,240 2027 is is an opportunity for us to 270 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:39,040 really trumpet our village for a in a 271 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:41,760 lot of different ways. Um and at 272 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,720 uh one more thing I really this year I 273 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:47,760 know we always hear from uh I know we 274 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,200 always hear and you guys talk to um 275 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,360 department heads but I'd be really 276 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,839 interested this year in knowing if 277 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:56,399 there's anything 278 00:11:53,839 --> 00:12:00,800 in particular that 279 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:02,320 not a big ticket item but 280 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,279 something that might be considered a 281 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:08,079 smaller ticket item that they haven't 282 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:11,760 really thought about asking for because 283 00:12:08,079 --> 00:12:14,959 they weren't sure if there's money or um 284 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:18,160 you know I I'd be interested in almost a 285 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:21,680 Barbie dreamhouse from a report from all 286 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:24,079 the department heads uh just to just to 287 00:12:21,680 --> 00:12:26,399 know you know what they're thinking 288 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:29,920 about as as they move their departments 289 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:30,720 forward. So with that I will 290 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 see you in my time. 291 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,399 » Thank you. Uh Jay, just quick question 292 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,399 about your marketing um person position 293 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:40,800 type thing. 294 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:42,160 Are I I think you're talking about the 295 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,440 business district, but are you talking 296 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,120 about other things of Bay or what? 297 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,959 What's your thoughts? Okay. Yeah, I mean 298 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,800 I 299 00:12:48,959 --> 00:12:53,839 the 300 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:56,399 the b the the district is the jumping 301 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:58,160 off point, 302 00:12:56,399 --> 00:13:01,200 but 303 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:04,240 you know this I think there are a lot of 304 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,880 things that people don't know about 305 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:12,000 White Fish Bay that they could know or 306 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:15,040 should know or you know are 307 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,639 you know that we're not I mean I don't 308 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,240 want us to be viewed as some sleepy 309 00:13:16,639 --> 00:13:20,160 little village because we're not. There 310 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,360 are a lot of great things happening here 311 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,279 and I think that uh we have an 312 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,639 opportunity 313 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:31,200 with some of the with not only what's 314 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:33,120 happening on Silver Spring, but in other 315 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,279 parts of our village, what we've already 316 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:39,760 done at the parks, what we're continuing 317 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:41,440 to do with the parks. Um the 318 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:46,079 um 319 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:47,680 uh I'm sorry I'm blanking on uh but I 320 00:13:46,079 --> 00:13:51,040 just I just think that there is an 321 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:51,839 opportunity there for us to just just 322 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,680 go. 323 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:59,360 » Yeah. I I I guess I wanted to ask the 324 00:13:53,680 --> 00:14:02,079 question cuz um the the village um funds 325 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:05,519 the bid to the tune of 60,000 a year if 326 00:14:02,079 --> 00:14:09,519 I think that's right. And so an a lion 327 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:11,600 share of that fund goes to, you know, 328 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:15,600 the the mailers they put out, the social 329 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:17,440 media stuff they do. Um, and and so it's 330 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,360 a conversation to say like, well, let's 331 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,800 increase the bid funding, which by the 332 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,560 way comes through the CDA and comes 333 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,920 through the TIFF funds and whatnot. And 334 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,279 that so that's an interesting 335 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,920 conversation to have. That's why I 336 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:28,639 asked, were you talking about other 337 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,240 things? 338 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:31,920 » Yes, I outside of business. I 339 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:34,320 » I do think there are other things like I 340 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,639 I can remember 341 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,880 I don't remember how many years ago now. 342 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:40,240 Um, we had a part-time communications 343 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:46,480 position. There's a young lady, Jenny 344 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:50,240 Hayden, um, that that did uh that did it 345 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,560 was pretty it was pretty basic, but 346 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,600 and and maybe that's the, you know, 347 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:58,800 maybe that's the the gradea wagoo beef 348 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,519 version of what I'm talking about. Um, 349 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,680 but I like I said, I think there is I 350 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:07,279 think this is an opportunity for us as a 351 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:08,480 village in general to um attract people 352 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:10,720 and there are going to there's going to 353 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,480 be in uh there's going to be an increase 354 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,240 of traffic on Silver Spring because of 355 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,160 that. There are going to be changes that 356 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,160 are going to be made up and down Port 357 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:24,079 Washington uh and Glendale that you know 358 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:27,120 are a quick jaunt up to Silver Spring 359 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:29,519 and over is you know Whitefish Bay. And 360 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,680 so I I think that this is an opportunity 361 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:36,000 that we should grab. 362 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:38,320 » Fair enough. Okay. Uh Anna or Tara, do 363 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,800 you have anything to comment on about 364 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,639 this 365 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,480 budget visioning? Let's see. Let's go 366 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:47,140 with You're both unmuted, so let's go 367 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:48,320 with Anna first. 368 00:15:47,140 --> 00:15:50,480 [clears throat] 369 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,199 » Are you asking about what Jay just said 370 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,160 or 371 00:15:51,199 --> 00:15:57,040 » Anything you'd like to comment on? Um, 372 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,519 you know, I think the CIP has a lot to 373 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,399 it. So, I mean, it's all good stuff that 374 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:04,639 needs work. Um, I always think 375 00:16:02,399 --> 00:16:08,160 pedestrian safety, something that's not 376 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:11,120 on that list, I think, would be adding 377 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,199 improvements down Hampton, more 378 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,959 improvements down Hampton, not just 379 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:20,639 where Santa Monica is. Um, 380 00:16:16,959 --> 00:16:22,880 yeah, and like I said, the CIP has a ton 381 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:23,600 of things that 382 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,600 make sense. 383 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,440 » Just if I could build on on that on 384 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:30,399 Hampton, but also particularly Santa 385 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,959 Monica, one of the things that we will 386 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:36,000 have in the next 12-ish months would be 387 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:38,639 two new monument signs on Silver Spring. 388 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,839 » Perhaps we could build funding into the 389 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:44,320 budget for monument signs replacing the 390 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:46,079 ones on Hampton and Santa Monica. that 391 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,560 just popped into my head. Not to mention 392 00:16:46,079 --> 00:16:52,000 the signage that we have on Lake uh 393 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:55,839 Henry Clay and anywhere else. It's 394 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,320 probably it lake north and south. Um 395 00:16:55,839 --> 00:17:01,839 that being said, we have grant funding 396 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:04,319 on the on the line for uh projects on 397 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:06,319 lake that included monument sign. So 398 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,720 perhaps that doesn't need to be in any 399 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:11,280 budget line item and maybe we'll look 400 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,280 out and get rap. And I do hear from 401 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:17,439 residents that um the sidewalks when you 402 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,839 enter into the road, it feels like 403 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:22,480 you're walking farther into the road 404 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:24,319 onto Hampton and then coming back onto 405 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:28,240 the sidewalk. And I know people would 406 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,880 love to have those uh refigured, 407 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,679 » Right? 408 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,600 » Or reconfigured, I mean. 409 00:17:31,679 --> 00:17:35,760 » All right, 410 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,679 Tara, do you have anything to add? 411 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:41,760 » Um a question for Jay. Jay, when you're 412 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:44,559 talking about this new position, are you 413 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:48,000 considering this to be an ongoing or a 414 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:49,919 temporary, you know, for 2027 kind of 415 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,520 position? What What is your thinking 416 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:52,480 there? Is this going to be an ongoing 417 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,679 expense? 418 00:17:52,480 --> 00:18:00,400 » My my thinking is it can be whatever it 419 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:06,160 ends up being. Um my initial thought is 420 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:09,520 uh yes, 2027 is going to be um you know, 421 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,600 a a big year. So, you know, if we if we 422 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,960 want to try to find, you know, someone 423 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:17,200 to uh, you know, to help us in a in a in 424 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,919 a part-time, you know, one-year only 425 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:24,000 capacity, that's fine. Um, if we find 426 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:26,000 out that it's something fantastic and 427 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,600 we're going to continue to have growth 428 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,440 in the district and in the village, 429 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,840 then, you know, maybe it's something we, 430 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,400 you know, look at again, uh, you know, 431 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:37,440 this time next year. But initially my 432 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:41,120 thoughts are 2027. 433 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:43,200 » Okay. Okay. Um, and then I guess for me 434 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:45,600 kind of along the lines of what Anna was 435 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,000 saying potentially, 436 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,000 I know that we have very many 437 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:53,120 initiatives and I, you know, obviously 438 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:56,240 I'm always got a lens when it comes to 439 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:58,720 public works and what's all happening 440 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,000 within public works and our parks and 441 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,919 and so I'm a little hesitant to add 442 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,520 anything additional to the plate for 443 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:09,840 staff. I feel like our staff is pretty 444 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,919 stretched right now and especially as 445 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:16,000 we're going into, you know, really 446 00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:18,480 kicking off the lead pipe stuff. I I I'm 447 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,480 just a little hesitant um to add 448 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,480 anything 449 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,360 real big. Um so my priority obviously 450 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,039 always is getting things done, public 451 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,039 works, making sure that we've got our 452 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:33,200 services where they need to be, you 453 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:35,440 know, for residents. That's always, you 454 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,960 know, number one for me. And then 455 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,600 obviously we've got so many things in 456 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,880 the CIP to continue to work on. So that 457 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,760 would be my my two cents about it. 458 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,880 » All right. Thank you. Um indeed, we 459 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:50,400 started to do these um pre-budget 460 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,520 visioning 461 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,919 comments about five, six years ago. Um 462 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:59,200 and and it was the that the moment that 463 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:02,320 trustees could um give some thought as 464 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:06,000 to new projects that we'd like to have 465 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,559 executed. Um I I think that that we have 466 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,520 really changed our way of planning in 467 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:14,880 that now we have a six-year CIP and 468 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,440 we've put hundreds and thousands of manh 469 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,200 hours into uh creating that and 470 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,799 approving it and looking at it and 471 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:25,360 analyzing it. And so these meetings um 472 00:20:22,799 --> 00:20:28,960 where trustees, you know, share other 473 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:31,679 capital ideas um while we'll still 474 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,600 continue to do them, the the uh the CIP 475 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:36,000 is what really guides what we're doing 476 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,720 here and um it lessens the importance of 477 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,880 of this particular conversation. Uh 478 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,159 anyways, that being said, a couple quick 479 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,240 comments. I agree with Jay about the 480 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:48,080 Northshore Health Department. Um, and I 481 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,320 I guess I unfortunately would have to 482 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,760 wait until we hear hear what their 483 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,159 request is, unless they've already made 484 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,159 their request because 485 00:20:54,159 --> 00:20:59,520 last year's budget conversation was they 486 00:20:56,159 --> 00:21:01,840 had asked for a relatively sizable 487 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,799 percentage increase that other 488 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:07,280 municipalities were unable unwilling to 489 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:09,280 to do. And that's when Wayne Fishbay 490 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,760 kind of stepped up. So I I guess my 491 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,520 first comment is we we need to hear what 492 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,080 are their needs or what are their I 493 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:19,600 don't know wishes um before we can kind 494 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:22,720 of respond to anything like that. Um 495 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:27,039 next is can can we talk about your memo 496 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:30,640 just a little bit in terms of um the 497 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:33,280 beta debt calculations that you've come 498 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,799 up with? Has has that changed from the 499 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,400 AERS list that we've that we had? We had 500 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,640 a conversation maybe, you know, two, 501 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,080 three months ago about abated debt. And 502 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,440 where I'm going with this, you don't 503 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:47,600 really need to answer that question 504 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:50,240 other than to say part of that long-term 505 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,600 um financial management plan was the 506 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,960 concept that we were going to run out of 507 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:57,520 levy limits in 2028, I think, was the 508 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,840 number. Have Have we bumped that number 509 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,760 at all with any of this abated debt 510 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,960 conversation? 511 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:08,720 » That I don't have an answer on. I know 512 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:10,720 that the 2026 budget we used less abated 513 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,440 debt than Ellers was anticipating we 514 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:16,240 were going to use but no we don't have 515 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:21,200 like an updated I guess estimate 516 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:23,600 » But more is helpful right my h having 517 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,520 having more beta debt identified is a 518 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:29,600 helpful position to be in 519 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:32,000 » Yeah but so we have a lot of abated debt 520 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,840 but we need to be able to identify 521 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,840 things like in the general fund budget 522 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,240 that we could borrow for. And that's 523 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:41,840 where we can't make those match. Like 524 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,840 we've identified, you know, 600,000 525 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,679 of sources we could use. We have $3 526 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,360 million of debt, but we don't want to 527 00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:49,360 use it if we couldn't borrow for it. 528 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:51,840 » Sure. Sure. 529 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:54,240 » Yeah. So 530 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,320 that I think this budget's going to tell 531 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,360 us a lot. Uh because when we went 532 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,520 through the budget last time around, 533 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,880 we realized somewhat late in the process 534 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,159 that we were right up against levy 535 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000 limits. we were working on the financial 536 00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:08,080 management plan. All the information was 537 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,080 coming at us really quickly. This budget 538 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,360 we're entering with that mindset. And so 539 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,039 where as we're doing our budget 540 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,960 departmental reviews, we're going to be 541 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:18,240 looking more for these opportunities, 542 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,120 doing more of a fine tooth, like really 543 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,360 looking and I I am very optimistic that 544 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,400 that number for our beta debt capacity 545 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,960 will get higher. 546 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960 » Okay. 547 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,520 » Uh but I just I don't know what that 548 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,080 will end up being. uh and Ellers was 549 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,520 estimating, but they agree we need to 550 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,200 actually be able to point and have a 551 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,440 list of here's the things we could 552 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,400 borrow for in a pinch if we needed to in 553 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,799 the future. Um so all that to say is I 554 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,880 am very hopeful we'll have a much more 555 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,919 realistic picture at the conclusion of 556 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,919 this budget. 557 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:52,559 » Do we update AERS with that so that they 558 00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:53,200 can create the next rendition of our 559 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,799 Yeah. 560 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:59,039 » Well, so they actually just emailed what 561 00:23:54,799 --> 00:24:00,960 was the estimate to update it? $15,000, 562 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:02,480 » I believe, which we thought was high. We 563 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,120 were thinking every two to three years, 564 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,640 maybe, 565 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,000 » Right? I leave that up to you to figure 566 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,679 out when you're going to update. I mean, 567 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,520 and I I assume that some of the 568 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:12,400 spreadsheets are perhaps ours. No, 569 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,080 » Just the PDFs. 570 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,559 » Well, the PDFs anyways. 571 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,840 » Yeah, 572 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,000 » They don't they don't give you a work 573 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,880 product. 574 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,880 » Not in a form that is helpful in Excel 575 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760 documents. But all that to say, I mean, 576 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,360 they're they're going to be part of the 577 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,480 conversation. They always answer the 578 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,159 phone when we call. They're always 579 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,520 willing to answer our questions and so 580 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:30,880 as we're working through this, we'll 581 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,559 make sure that they're on the same page 582 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,039 so that we're not surprised in three 583 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:39,200 years when we update that plan. 584 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:42,080 » Works for me. I think 585 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:45,360 I think that was it for me. 586 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:49,120 Um, net new construction continues to 587 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:51,200 disappoint and I I does does it 588 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:53,919 disappoint you in the number? It just 589 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,480 seems always so low. I guess I don't 590 00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:58,720 know enough about how it's calculated, 591 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,240 but I think with being landlocked and 592 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,760 it's not rebuilt, it's literally just 593 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,559 new construction. Um, or is it 594 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,880 » Yeah, we tell you 595 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,559 » We continue to have this debate on 596 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,120 » New construction or remodeling, you 597 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:13,679 know, where you're 598 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:15,919 » Yes, it has to be it can't be a remodel 599 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:18,400 of your existing puncture. It has to be 600 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:21,440 an addition. Tear down, rebuild is 601 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:24,320 additional value. Um, so like the 602 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:27,279 Hampton's, Margarit, all those would be 603 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,720 like new value in this equation, but not 604 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:30,240 all of those would have been the full 605 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,679 year. Like Margaret, I think was just a 606 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,559 partial trying to remember in 2031 when 607 00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:38,880 we closed one, there will be an influx 608 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,840 as well with all of that increased that 609 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,679 increment really. Come on. My 610 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,520 » My initial estimates weren't as much as 611 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,799 I was hoping, but that still is 612 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,600 promising 613 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:52,000 » As well. So that will happen. So that so 614 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,039 in 20 2031 615 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,159 our levy limit will will take a step up. 616 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,520 » Yep. 617 00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:58,240 » Is you'll get to capture all that 618 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,840 increment. 619 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:05,200 » I Yeah. I I didn't I didn't know that. 620 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:08,320 » So we just need to manage four years 621 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,640 before we get to that that that 20 31 622 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,159 right from 2028 in theory. 623 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,720 » Yeah. But I don't think it'll solve all 624 00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:15,919 of 625 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,400 » Well, it'll help. It will help. 626 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:19,679 » Yeah. 627 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,640 » Okay. Uh that's all I have. Any other 628 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:24,480 trustee comments? 629 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,799 Any members of the public wish to talk 630 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:32,080 about budget priorities? No. Okay. In 631 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:34,000 that case, I will move on to We don't 632 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,240 There we You didn't need any motion on 633 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,679 that. Nope. We'll move on to number two. 634 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,080 Uh discussion action on the village 635 00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:41,840 board community event engagement program 636 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,113 policy. 637 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,640 Oh, Millia, you're still here. 638 00:26:44,113 --> 00:26:45,200 [laughter] 639 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,440 » Two weeks. 640 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,919 » Two more weeks. Okay. 641 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,240 So this program is based off of one of 642 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:54,240 the outcomes from the strategic plan as 643 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,799 well as a continuation of the discussion 644 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,720 from the May 18th village board meeting. 645 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:01,120 Um so this is a community event 646 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,559 engagement program. So it's kind of 647 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:05,200 combining some of the events within the 648 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,640 village um with allowing village board 649 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,720 members to have informal discussions 650 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080 with residents where residents can talk 651 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,120 about different things that they're 652 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,200 seeing within the village and their 653 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:16,240 concerns and just have more informal 654 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:18,159 conversations. Um staff will evaluate 655 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,760 which events can be a part of this 656 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:21,760 program through the special event 657 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,840 process. So as they're evaluating 658 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,679 applications, they can then say, is this 659 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,240 a good event to have village board 660 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:30,000 members at? Those events will then be um 661 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,559 a part of the weekly administrative 662 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,320 update. And if two or more village board 663 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,240 members um say that they can attend the 664 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,159 event, then staff will coordinate with 665 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,039 the event organizers 666 00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:43,120 of how um village board members can be a 667 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:44,720 part of that. 668 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,919 And at a high level, if there's any 669 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,120 questions, 670 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:49,600 » Did did other communities have policies 671 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,360 like this? 672 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720 » They based off um kind of the village of 673 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,200 Oregon, they have a really similar 674 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,080 program. 675 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,440 » Village of Oregon. 676 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:04,120 » I I have a question. I 677 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,120 I think this would be more for Kelsey. 678 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,399 There are a lot of events in the village 679 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:11,399 where 680 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:19,279 more than two village board members are 681 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:20,559 attending but aren't attending in a 682 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,480 social 683 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:26,240 » Yeah. but aren't attending in in a way 684 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:30,080 that this is um in a in a way that this 685 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:33,440 uh is intending. If there were two 686 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,880 village board members who were directly 687 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,240 involved in the event engagement, but we 688 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,919 know that there are going to be other 689 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:44,559 village board members attending the 690 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:46,880 event. Do you still need to notice it? 691 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:48,640 » So, our plan is to notice every event, 692 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,279 even if it's only two people. Okay. 693 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,480 That's just it's so easy to notice. It's 694 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,080 okay. I didn't know that. 695 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,440 » Yep. Yep. It's no problem. You don't 696 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,880 have to do an agenda. You just notice 697 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,399 it's a notice of possible quorum. Okay. 698 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,320 I didn't want to, you know, have to hand 699 00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:06,799 over my social calendar for 700 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,399 » Any other trustee questions. 701 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,960 » I love this by the way. 702 00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:15,200 » Yeah, it's a nice 703 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,320 hearing none. Enjoy your last two weeks 704 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760 in Wishbang. 705 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,640 » Amelia has been wonderful. 706 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,520 » She's been wonderful. 707 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,720 » He helps everyone and has been amazing. 708 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640 So, we're going to miss her, but I think 709 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,399 she'll be back maybe this winter and 710 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,200 we're crossing our fingers maybe next 711 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,000 summer. So, 712 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,080 » Wow. Okay. 713 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,960 » Yeah, she's been great. So, week and a 714 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,840 half left. 715 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,760 » Thanks work. Thank you, Amelia. 716 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,559 » All right, we will then move on to 717 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,320 number three. Discussion discussion on 718 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,960 abolishing the Wishers Bay Municipal 719 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,559 Court and joining the Northshore. 720 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,600 » There was no motion, right? There's no 721 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,760 motion. 722 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,159 » Oh, was there you want to adopt the 723 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,960 policy? 724 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:50,240 » Oh, I'm sorry. 725 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,480 » Well, then we'll stop and we'll go 726 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,039 right. 727 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,120 » Yes. I I'm sorry I missed I I I missed 728 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:56,960 uh number two. I move the village board 729 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,559 adopt the village board community event 730 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,919 engagement program as presented. 731 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,640 » Do I hear a second? 732 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:02,320 » Second. 733 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,559 » Thank you, Anna. Uh any further 734 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,360 discussion? Hearing none. All those in 735 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:05,840 favor say I. 736 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,960 » I. 737 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,240 » I. 738 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,559 » Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Now 739 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,159 we'll move on to discussion on 740 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:15,600 abolishing the Whitefish Bay Municipal 741 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:18,000 Court and joining the Northshore 742 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,159 Municipal Court. 743 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,480 » Sure. Um so the village of White Fishb 744 00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:24,960 currently operates our own um municipal 745 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,279 court and we recently participated in a 746 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,440 shared services feasibility study which 747 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,440 was funded by an innovation g grant 748 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,880 through the state of Wisconsin. Um so 749 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,520 the state has been really trying to 750 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,600 encourage municipalities to explore 751 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,840 consolidation or shared services in an 752 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,919 effort to hopefully reduce costs. You 753 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,159 may remember that the village utilized 754 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:45,919 um that grant program to do both a study 755 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:47,919 and then we actually are receiving a 756 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:49,760 grant. This is the first year to 757 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:52,240 consolidate our IT services with 758 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,240 Bayside. Um so that's one example. Um 759 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,919 this feasibility study was done around 760 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,320 the same or started around the same time 761 00:30:55,919 --> 00:31:00,559 but just was completed later. Uh so what 762 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,120 they were looking at is if the three 763 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,960 Northshore communities, River Hills, um 764 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,720 Shorewood and Whitefish Bay, who 765 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,360 currently don't participate in the 766 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,799 Northshore Municipal Court, um basically 767 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,600 if there were any benefits to those 768 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:17,440 three communities joining the others, um 769 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,840 as a a larger partnership. So the study 770 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880 was attached in the packet. Um and I'm 771 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,720 just going to walk through a little bit 772 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,039 at a high level basically how it would 773 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,840 work. Um so basically the village could 774 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,840 potentially join Glendale. Um the court 775 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,640 operates out of Glendale and then Brown 776 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,039 Deere and Bayside are participants in 777 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,840 that program. Under a consolidated 778 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:40,480 model, all the tickets um would need to 779 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,799 be paid online, mailed or in person at 780 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640 the Glendale City Hall. Uh so from a 781 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,480 public facing standpoint, that would 782 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,919 probably be the most noticeable impact. 783 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,760 Currently, you come can come into 784 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:51,919 Village Hall to pay that. you would need 785 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,760 to go to Glendale and then obviously the 786 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:55,440 court days would also be held in 787 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,399 Glendale. They would no longer be held 788 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,080 in this room um in the village. There 789 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:01,840 would be one judge that's elected to 790 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,919 serve all the municipalities 791 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,679 participating in the Northshore Court 792 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:08,000 and that judge would be elected by all 793 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:10,240 the communities. Um I mentioned that the 794 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,039 court be held in Glendale. We would have 795 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,720 the same night as one other community uh 796 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,960 which that community has not yet been 797 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,360 identified. the village would be 798 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,919 responsible for paying our share of the 799 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,840 total Northshore Court expenditures each 800 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:25,679 year. Um, and that would be based on a 801 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,720 percentage of the tickets written. So 802 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:31,679 that'd be approximately 16% if all three 803 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,480 of those communities joined or 23% if 804 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:36,159 only Whitefish Bay joins the existing 805 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,919 communities. 806 00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:40,880 Each community would retain their own 807 00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:42,720 court fees and ticket revenue. Uh 808 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,320 there's a chart at the on page two of 809 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320 the memo that breaks out the village's 810 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,240 existing expenditures in comparison to 811 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,960 joining the estimates for joining the 812 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,799 Northshore Municipal Court. You can see 813 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,799 there's like an existing column for 814 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:56,000 costs and then if all join, it's 815 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,000 important to look at it separately 816 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,760 because obviously each community will be 817 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,120 making their own decision and those 818 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,440 decisions will be made at different 819 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,200 times. Um, so if all those communities 820 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,720 join, you can see the cost and what that 821 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,960 delta is or if only White Fish Bay joins 822 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,360 and what that delta is. Um, but likely 823 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:18,159 the savings on an annual basis would 824 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:22,240 range from like 36,000 to 42,000. 825 00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:25,440 Um, let's see. In terms of um process 826 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:27,200 changes for our staff, currently um we 827 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,360 have a court clerk who prepares the 828 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,480 records for court. uh this function 829 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,080 would need to be transi trans 830 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,960 transitioned to our police department 831 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,320 staff uh which our our police chief has 832 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080 already kind of reviewed that and feels 833 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,080 comfortable with that change. 834 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,480 Additionally, there's parking citations 835 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,480 which are currently processed by the 836 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,240 municipal court clerk and this function 837 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,720 would have to transition to our police 838 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,880 department administrative administrative 839 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,600 assistant. uh that training has actually 840 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,360 already started and so um we're feeling 841 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,840 pretty comfortable about the ability for 842 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,919 that to be able to happen. 843 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Uh one operational benefit that was 844 00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:04,799 noted in the study that I just wanted to 845 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,799 mention um is that currently we have one 846 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,480 court clerk. The functions of a court 847 00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:10,079 clerk is very technical. You have to 848 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,760 make sure things are done a very 849 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,159 specific way. You have to have access to 850 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,200 certain programs. Um so we do not have a 851 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,159 backup for that position. So sick leave, 852 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:23,679 vacation, um you know, an employee 853 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,359 resigns, uh we would be relying on other 854 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,960 communities and trying to navigate 855 00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:28,480 through those situations because we do 856 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,040 not have internal redundancy 857 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,119 » Today. 858 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,520 » Today? Yep. But with the Northshore 859 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,280 model, they do have um I believe it's 860 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,040 two or three court clerks. I can't 861 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,879 remember the number, but they have that 862 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,280 redundancy. And so if there are vacation 863 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:43,440 or unexpected leaves, then they're able 864 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,599 to account for that. And then the last 865 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,240 thing I didn't mention um but wanted to 866 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,960 just say in the presentation is that the 867 00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:53,839 innovation grant was used to fund the 868 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,520 study. Uh but also there it's very 869 00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:57,599 likely that a new grant cycle will be 870 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,200 repeat will be released in the fall 871 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:03,520 again. Uh and so that is roughly $44,000 872 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,760 annually for four for five years which 873 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,440 is like $224,000 874 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960 that the village would be eligible to 875 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200 apply for. Um 876 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880 » That's shared or just for the village. 877 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,599 So that would be determined by the 878 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,760 contract. Um so in the case of it, I was 879 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,359 able to make the case that we were 880 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,280 spending more for the services and so 881 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:22,480 all that money needed to be retained by 882 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,720 the village. 883 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,560 » In this case, um you know, there might 884 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,480 be transitional costs and such that 885 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,640 would have to be negotiated out and how 886 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,560 that money would be split. Uh but 887 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,000 regardless that would be money available 888 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,400 to the communities uh if it was awarded 889 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,079 um to be able to use for whatever 890 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,240 purpose makes sense 891 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,280 » For potentially 5 years 892 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,960 » For potentially five years. 893 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,119 » So this is this is on top of the 31 to 894 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,599 40 whatever that number is. 895 00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:54,079 » So the way the grant works is it's 25% 896 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:56,000 of the cost of service in the year prior 897 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:59,040 to the transition of service. 898 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,800 » And so that was that's roughly $44,000. 899 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,280 So for five years is 224,000. 900 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,200 » Correct. 901 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,839 » Uh so staff this evening is really just 902 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:10,079 looking for direction. We wanted to you 903 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:12,320 know have the initial conversation um 904 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:14,560 include the included in the packet is 905 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,240 the existing contract. I wouldn't expect 906 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,079 significant changes from that. It was 907 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,160 actually already written in a way that 908 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:22,400 has a process for other communities to 909 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,079 be able to join the Northshore Court. So 910 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,400 I would anticipate it'd be relatively 911 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:28,720 similar. um and then also include the 912 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,880 study to have an initial discussion and 913 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,520 then if the village board was interested 914 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,800 then at a future meeting um likely 915 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,880 August 31st there'd be a discussion um 916 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,720 in potentially action around an 917 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,960 ordinance to abolish the court, an 918 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:45,280 ordinance to create the Northshore Court 919 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,280 and then the contract to join. 920 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,280 » Sure. 921 00:36:49,359 --> 00:36:54,320 happy to answer any questions or 922 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,119 » Um well Jane go ahead there are three 923 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,800 people I would like to hear from on this 924 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:02,720 um all three of them are in this room 925 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,960 oddly enough uh I want to get I I would 926 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:08,480 like to get opinions from attorney 927 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:12,480 Jacobs from Chief Whitaker and I noticed 928 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:16,240 that our esteemed municipal court judge 929 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:18,240 uh is here with us this evening. Um 930 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:20,480 uh so 931 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:23,400 those those are the three because I and 932 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,000 I and I say that because 933 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160 [clears throat] 934 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,480 from attorney Jakeel's side, you know 935 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:32,320 what I just want to know what the 936 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:34,320 changes would mean for each of these 937 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,560 three individuals in in the case of 938 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,640 Chief Whitaker his department because 939 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,400 Kelsey as you mentioned there would be 940 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,680 no more 941 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,280 coming to pay you know tickets which I 942 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,119 believe is done at the police department 943 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,359 window. I'm just double checking. Thank 944 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,760 you. Um not that I've ever gotten a 945 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:53,839 ticket. Uh 946 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,800 and I I just kind of want to know what 947 00:37:53,839 --> 00:38:00,240 changes it would mean for you 948 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:03,839 individually in your departments and if 949 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:06,320 that's a good change, a bad change. Um 950 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:07,680 just kind of want to get your opinions 951 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880 because you would be the folks most 952 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,920 impacted by this. 953 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,880 » Yeah. Would you mind? Um you're probably 954 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,160 first in the batting order. uh the chief 955 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:21,119 in that a member of staff who can you 956 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,240 know give us their I concept of whether 957 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:27,599 this is a a good path or not. 958 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:30,079 » Yeah. Um so we would be our 959 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:32,560 administrative staff would be taking on 960 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,960 a few other things that they don't 961 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,680 normally do right now. Uh like Kel 962 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:41,599 Kelsey said, we've already started um 963 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:46,400 processing um unpaid citations that that 964 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:49,200 go to suspension. um on the uh the 965 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,560 registration of the vehicle. Um we would 966 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:55,680 be uh right now Susan the court clerk uh 967 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,079 handles the paperwork preparing for 968 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,760 court and and you know gathering the 969 00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:03,040 reports, the citations and everything, 970 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:06,320 the video that's needed. Um we've talked 971 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,520 to Glendale um about that process in 972 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:14,320 Bayside and um they're um right now 973 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:18,640 looking at making it smoother. um and u 974 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,880 paperless like we have now. Um 975 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,200 so that would be an extra thing that our 976 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,960 staff needs to do. But as you said with 977 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,400 people not showing up to pay citations, 978 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,680 they would have to go to Glendo. That 979 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,520 frees up some time um for our our clerk 980 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,599 right now. Uh we also have community 981 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,359 service officers that that can help out 982 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,920 with that. 983 00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:40,560 I you know 984 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,720 in in the end I don't have any concerns 985 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,000 that we won't be able to handle the the 986 00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:49,119 additional workload. 987 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:53,440 » Okay. What would it mean for 988 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:56,880 your officers? Um, 989 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,240 because I I don't assume this, but I I 990 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,160 would imagine that in a lot of 991 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:03,359 situations, 992 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,280 your officers are attending 993 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:08,079 court hearings 994 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,720 if it rises to a certain level. 995 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,839 » Yeah. Um, so if there are they're needed 996 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:15,359 to to um testify in court, rather than 997 00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:17,200 walking upstairs, they would drive to 998 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:19,760 Glendale. 999 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:25,119 » How often does that? 1000 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:29,200 » We have trials once a month. Not every 1001 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:31,760 trial night goes, so it sporadic. Would 1002 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:36,320 it 1003 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:40,320 would you have any concerns about 1004 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:43,200 response time or any 1005 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,240 public safety concerns by having 1006 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,200 officers go to Glendale for court? 1007 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:51,680 » No. Um, you know, if they're here on 1008 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:55,839 overtime, that's an extra 10 minutes of 1009 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:58,560 travel time at the most. Um, and you 1010 00:40:55,839 --> 00:41:00,480 know, we would make sure we have we make 1011 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,599 sure we have coverage already if they 1012 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,720 have to be 1013 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,720 » Testifying. 1014 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,720 » Things I think of. 1015 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:10,880 » Any other questions for the chief from 1016 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:12,560 trustee Casper or Surin? 1017 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,520 Okay. 1018 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,520 Thank you. Um, 1019 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:23,760 uh, Mr. Jacobs, what do you think of 1020 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:25,520 this, uh, consolidation? 1021 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,119 Well, we've had Yeah, we've had some 1022 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,079 we've had some discussions of that. It 1023 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,599 it um 1024 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,720 it's 1025 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:37,599 very much a fat comple 1026 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:40,079 it's uh you know because 1027 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,720 uh Bayside for example doesn't have a 1028 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:45,599 judge anymore. They they you know become 1029 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:48,480 part of the the Northshore court. Um 1030 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,920 where it's going to change is 1031 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:54,400 uh that uh the people we have doing the 1032 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,880 prosecution now 1033 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,400 um may or may not be doing that 1034 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,880 prosecution in the future because 1035 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,680 there's discussion about going out for 1036 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:07,359 requests for proposals to hire basically 1037 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,880 hire all new uh all new prosecutorial 1038 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:12,800 teams 1039 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:15,040 um and share those among communities. 1040 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,440 » And is that a good thing? I mean, well, 1041 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,960 you're very different. I'll say your 1042 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,400 firm, I think, is what you're saying. 1043 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,680 » Yeah, it's it's very different, I'll 1044 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,760 say. 1045 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,720 » Um, 1046 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,440 the right now it's it's your various law 1047 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,680 firms doing, you know, somebody's doing 1048 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:34,160 uh Glendale's work, somebody's doing 1049 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:38,240 Browners's work. I don't I don't know 1050 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:40,560 what's done in Shwood, for example. Um, 1051 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:43,680 but long and the short of it is that's 1052 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:46,319 probably going to change. 1053 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:50,079 because all these communities need to 1054 00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:51,839 need to have uh consistent coverage, 1055 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:54,400 » Right? 1056 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:57,520 » Um you know there's a there's big 1057 00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:00,400 difference between Bayside who's a small 1058 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,640 uh small piece of the court 1059 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,640 and from the monetary side they function 1060 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,800 on a retainer 1061 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,040 which is very different from what's 1062 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,599 probably going to come out of 1063 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,040 » The RFP process. 1064 00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,440 at at what level would a full-time 1065 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,760 prosecutor be entertained? Or is that 1066 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:23,599 even possible with the number of with 1067 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,880 the volume? You know, doesn't Milwaukee 1068 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,400 have their own prosecutors, for example. 1069 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,760 I mean, they do, example, 1070 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,720 » They do, but that's that's a massive 1071 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,640 municipal court. 1072 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,400 » Sure. I'm I'm just there's some level 1073 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,480 where there's a tipping point. I don't 1074 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,319 know what that is. Yeah, it's it's been 1075 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,240 a long time since. In fact, I think Al 1076 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,240 Meyer was the last one if that was his 1077 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,240 name in Shwood. I mean, there hasn't 1078 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,079 been there hasn't been a 1079 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:47,680 » Yeah, there hasn't been a dedicated 1080 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,280 prosecutor 1081 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,359 in decades. 1082 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,440 » Interesting. Well, right. But now we've 1083 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:55,440 if there is a Northshore court, 1084 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,599 » The number of citations and cases that 1085 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,200 come up may rise to a certain level. And 1086 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,760 I I don't know what that is, but maybe 1087 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,160 Kelsey does. Brown or Brown Deer has 1088 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,560 in-house an in-house prosecutor that 1089 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,760 works with Glendale. You know her? 1090 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,119 » Oh, yeah. Rebecca. 1091 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,720 » But what I don't know what percentage of 1092 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,640 her time she spends on prosecution 1093 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,839 versus other purposes, but she is a 1094 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,400 Brownier employee. 1095 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:17,200 » She's pretty much only an only a 1096 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,040 prosecutor. 1097 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,200 » Okay. So, right now there is, it sounds 1098 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,880 like essentially a shared prosecutor 1099 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:27,119 between two other communities. 1100 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:30,079 » Okay. Which opens the door for another 1101 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,880 » When others join. That's a topic for 1102 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:34,000 another day. 1103 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,640 » Well, I'd love to continue prosecuting. 1104 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,200 » Sure you would. 1105 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,240 » Just just so you know, but I but at the 1106 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,119 same time, I've got to recognize 1107 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,079 facts here. So, 1108 00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,480 » Way the winds blow. 1109 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,880 » Mhm. 1110 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,839 » Um sort of I I I would have saved this 1111 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,160 for the end, but um when when 1112 00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:54,000 consolidation occurs for any particular 1113 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,839 department, um I always look beyond the 1114 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,680 savings, right? because there's always a 1115 00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:59,359 number that that oh we're going to save 1116 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,880 this and hopefully that's a great 1117 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:05,280 estimate and maybe it's higher and maybe 1118 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,359 it's lower. Um but but you know policy 1119 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,599 boards are interested in saving money, 1120 00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:11,680 right? But there's also a part where we 1121 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:13,920 look and say well what is if the savings 1122 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,839 is let's say 40,000 or maybe it's 80 1123 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,480 depending on grant funding and whatever. 1124 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:20,800 Um what are we getting in return if we 1125 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:23,440 don't right? What are we buying for 80 1126 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,119 extra thousand dollars that we normally 1127 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,640 wouldn't get? And so there's there's 1128 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,560 there's, you know, uh, benefits to, um, 1129 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,560 spending more money when when you get 1130 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,119 some benefits out of it. So I'm I'm I'm 1131 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,960 not I wouldn't call it a a done deal. I 1132 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,240 would say it's it's something we just 1133 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,119 need to evaluate. 1134 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:42,160 » Sure. 1135 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:44,160 » Uh, I guess our next guest is kind of a 1136 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,720 staff member, but just an esteemed 1137 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:49,119 member of the public. Uh, why don't you 1138 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,440 state your name and address for the 1139 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,880 record? 1140 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,960 » Sure. My name is Craig Johnson. 1141 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,720 » Oh, sorry. Wait. Could could you tr 1142 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,119 trustee Saraban? Did you 1143 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,599 » Yeah. Ke Kevin, can I just ask a quick 1144 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:02,160 quick question of um Attorney Jake? I'm 1145 00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,680 I'm hearing in your tone that that this 1146 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,720 is not something you would be in favor 1147 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,240 of um other than the fact that you know 1148 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,839 you would like to continue to prosecute. 1149 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,760 Is there is there something else that 1150 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:14,400 you would consider to be a downside? 1151 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,000 Because I agree with Kevin. I did not 1152 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,720 come into this thinking this was a fat 1153 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,079 comple. And so I would very much like to 1154 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:24,160 hear what your perspective is on this um 1155 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:26,160 and whether you do think it is a good 1156 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,599 thing as much as you can possibly take 1157 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,200 yourself out of it. Is it a good thing 1158 00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:31,920 for the village or are you thinking it 1159 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,920 is not a good thing for the village? 1160 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,440 » It depends on what you want out of your 1161 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,560 court. 1162 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:41,520 Um if you want everybody to know 1163 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:46,000 everybody's name I mean that's those 1164 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:50,240 days are gone. Um and and in this case I 1165 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:52,079 I think we will be dealing with and just 1166 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,119 I'm again I'm reading the tea leaves but 1167 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:58,480 we we'll be dealing with um a uh a 1168 00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:01,040 situation where for example the the 1169 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,440 elected judge you know people got very 1170 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:06,000 very involved in the judge races here 1171 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,520 here in in Whitefish Bay because they 1172 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,040 had their favorite candidate or their 1173 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,440 good friend who does that kind of work 1174 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,960 or or you know you help let's help get 1175 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:17,119 elect this guy or that woman. Um, it's 1176 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,720 not going to be that way because there 1177 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,319 there's, you know, Judge Lipkcom is 1178 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:24,560 covering 1179 00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:29,920 uh way more way more territory 1180 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:31,599 um than uh than our current judge. Um, 1181 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,960 and so that makes it it makes it a 1182 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,440 completely different sort of 1183 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,760 tone, for lack of a better description. 1184 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,240 Does that does that help 1185 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,400 » To some degree? If you were to say the 1186 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:46,400 percentage of people who are seeing in 1187 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,359 the courts are residents of Whitefish 1188 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,480 Bay versus not residents of Whitefish 1189 00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:55,359 Bay, that that maybe also um indicates 1190 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,680 how important that piece of it is. Would 1191 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:59,599 you be able to give me a kind of a round 1192 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,000 number? 1193 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:03,359 » Oh gosh, I think the chief could, but um 1194 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:08,000 because he and I have discussed this 1195 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:10,160 before, but I I defer to him on that. 1196 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:15,599 I wouldn't be able to give you an exact 1197 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:18,480 number, but my belief is roughly 20% of 1198 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,359 people come to court are residents, 1199 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,119 » I guess. Okay. 1200 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,359 » People we write citations to, I 1201 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:27,280 shouldn't say, that come to court. 1202 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:29,680 » Okay. So, so in some ways that feeling 1203 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:32,720 of everybody knows everyone's name 1204 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,359 already doesn't exist. 1205 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:35,520 Correct. 1206 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:37,680 » I would agree with that. Yes. 1207 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,839 » Okay. We have a judge here 1208 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,240 » Who might have a better data set. 1209 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:42,000 » Yeah, 1210 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:45,359 » I understand. I just I just really want 1211 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,520 to make sure I understand where Chris, 1212 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:50,640 you know, Attorney Jacel's 1213 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,400 » Concerns are coming from and whether we 1214 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,480 think that this is, you know, ultimately 1215 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,640 because I agree with Kevin, there's a 1216 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,720 yes, there's there's money, but then 1217 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,880 there's also 1218 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,480 the experience and, you know, in the 1219 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,839 same way that there are other services 1220 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,559 that I would not be in favor of 1221 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:08,720 combining because of the experiences for 1222 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:10,640 the village, I'm wondering how much that 1223 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,280 would be impacted. So that that was more 1224 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,480 what I was looking for. 1225 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,440 » Thanks. 1226 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,480 » Okay. Thank you. 1227 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,400 » My apologies. 1228 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,400 » That's okay. Thank you very much for uh 1229 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,400 your time and your attention. My name is 1230 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,680 Craig Johnson. I am the White Fishb 1231 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:28,480 Municipal Judge elected in 2023 and my 1232 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,200 term ends next spring. Um and just to be 1233 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,760 clear, my opinions on this are totally 1234 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:36,000 not related to my serving as judge 1235 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,599 because I made the decision about a year 1236 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:40,079 ago that I wasn't going to run for 1237 00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:42,640 another term. and I talked to a number 1238 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:44,400 of different lawyers locally who might 1239 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,200 might be interested and sort of talked 1240 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,040 about why it's a nice position to have 1241 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,119 and a good way to serve the community 1242 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,680 etc. And I think there are interested 1243 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:56,800 people um who would like to serve in the 1244 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:58,960 position but in that sense it's not 1245 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,880 personal to me um whether or not 1246 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:04,079 Whitefish Bay maintains a municipal 1247 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,839 court. I can tell you that I I think the 1248 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,520 the figure in terms of people who show 1249 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,480 up to court who are White Fishbay 1250 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,040 residents is much higher than 20%. I 1251 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:15,839 think it's roughly probably 50%. I sort 1252 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,160 of keep a running mental note of it as 1253 00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:20,880 as we call cases and I look at people's 1254 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:24,480 addresses. Um and I think that makes 1255 00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:26,480 sense because you know as for reasons I 1256 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,800 I'll get into in a minute. This is a 1257 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,599 local court that is generally within 1258 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,680 walking distance of residents homes and 1259 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,359 it's very easy thing and I think it's 1260 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,839 one of the big attractions to having a 1261 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:42,319 local municipal court that people can 1262 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:43,839 feel that they can walk up and weigh in 1263 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:46,240 on their parking ticket, on their 1264 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:48,480 speeding ticket, on their ticket for not 1265 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,240 shoveling snow, whatever it might be. 1266 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,760 and they don't have to troop over to 1267 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:56,000 Glendale to um make their case to a 1268 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,640 judge they've never seen before or heard 1269 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,720 of before. Quite frankly, um on a 1270 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,559 practical level, I don't think there's 1271 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:04,800 anybody who would prefer to go to 1272 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:06,640 Glendale to contest a ticket that they 1273 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,960 receive in White Fish Bay who live in 1274 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,599 Whitefish Bay, your constituents, the 1275 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,760 residents of Whitefish Bay. When I went 1276 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:15,839 door todo running for this position a 1277 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,920 number of years ago, there was not one 1278 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,599 single person who told me, "Wow, you 1279 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,079 know, I wish you would get rid of that 1280 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,839 court. I wish I could go to Glendale to 1281 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,920 fight my tickets. That would be much 1282 00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:28,640 better for me as a resident of White 1283 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:32,000 Fishbay." That conversation never took 1284 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,800 place. Um, I think people had ideas 1285 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,880 about the court. They had ideas about, 1286 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,880 you know, can you use Zoom? Can we 1287 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,839 figure out how to to to make it easier 1288 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:45,599 to more practical for people to to come 1289 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:47,839 to court? But certainly never anybody um 1290 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:50,559 discussed with me the idea of abolishing 1291 00:51:47,839 --> 00:51:53,599 the court or consolidating it. The idea 1292 00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:56,800 that it's a fate of comply I I would 1293 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:58,480 disagree and agree that the fact is 1294 00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,720 there is a Northshore Municipal Court 1295 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,559 right now that is a fatal comple it 1296 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:05,760 already exists. The question is who's 1297 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:08,960 going to be a member of it? Glendale, 1298 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,040 uh, Brown Deer, and Bayside are in the 1299 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,200 White Fish Bay Combined Municipal Court. 1300 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,599 And, you know, as far as I can tell, 1301 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,480 they're happy with it. But that's not 1302 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,640 Whitefish Bay, and that's not Shorewood, 1303 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,400 and it's not Fox Point. Fox Point, for 1304 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,040 whatever reason, was not touched in the 1305 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,599 study. I don't know why. I've talked to 1306 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,440 the Fox Point municipal judge, and he 1307 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:30,720 assures me that Fox Point will not be 1308 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,960 getting rid of their municipal court. 1309 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,640 they will not be joining the Northshore 1310 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,960 Municipal Court. I've talked to the 1311 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,800 judge in Shorewood and she assured me 1312 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,359 that when this item came up for 1313 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,359 discussion at their village board, it 1314 00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:45,440 was tabled because they have no interest 1315 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:47,839 in pursu in in joining the Northshore 1316 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:50,960 Municipal Court. So, it will not be done 1317 00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:54,480 in shore either. Um, so it will continue 1318 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,440 to consist of Bayside, a very small 1319 00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,720 community, Glendale, a community about 1320 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:03,440 our size, and then Brown Deer. Um, and 1321 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:05,839 it will be the the tricky thing about it 1322 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,079 is that right now you've got a judge, 1323 00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:11,119 Judge Lipkcom, who's somewhat of a 1324 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:14,800 unicorn in that he devotes a good 1325 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:16,960 percentage of his time as a lawyer being 1326 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,599 a judge and he's paid somewhat 1327 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:24,079 commensurate to that. He's paid 30 to 1328 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:27,760 $38,000 a year for his service. 1329 00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,400 at a municipality of our size, 2,000 1330 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:33,359 tickets a year, it's one-third more the 1331 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:36,720 workload. It's going to be onethird more 1332 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:38,720 of his time. It's going to be a shared 1333 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:41,119 night. So, when you talk about police 1334 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,599 overtime, you can't talk about coming 1335 00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:46,079 here and waiting for five minutes for 1336 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:48,319 the one trial we have, you're talking 1337 00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:51,599 about a shared night over there with 1338 00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:53,359 another community. Um, and the officers 1339 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,200 waiting for significant more time is 1340 00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:57,599 what I would expect. Plus, the commute 1341 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,760 time to to go to Glendale. So, I think 1342 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:01,920 the idea that you're not going to see an 1343 00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,119 increase in overtime cost is is not 1344 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:09,280 correct. I think there's concern also 1345 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:11,920 with um compliance with um the uh 1346 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:16,240 earlier legislation 1347 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,640 uh Wisconsin 2009 Wisconsin Act uh 402 1348 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,800 which really wants to separate police 1349 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,559 department administrative staff from 1350 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,440 court staff. So, if you have 1351 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,839 administrative staff in the police now 1352 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,839 doing some of the court work, that's 1353 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:33,760 potentially a problem under that state 1354 00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:35,839 law in chapter uh 755. And I think 1355 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,480 that's something if the police is 1356 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:40,960 preparing records for court could be a 1357 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,400 problem legally for the village if if it 1358 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:47,440 does that. Um, I I I think generally 1359 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:50,480 people like the fact that they know 1360 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,800 their local judge, they know their local 1361 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,720 court. The idea that this is a thing in 1362 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:58,240 the past where people don't know each 1363 00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:01,280 other by name when they come to court. I 1364 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:04,720 can tell you that's not true. I run into 1365 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:07,280 people at Sendex. I run into people at 1366 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:10,480 uh, you know, Fourth July, Clo Park. 1367 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,599 They know me. Our kids went to Whitefish 1368 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:16,240 Bay schools. They know the people who, 1369 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:18,400 you know, 1370 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:22,480 people come to court. I know them. They 1371 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,079 know me. And that personal touch, I 1372 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,440 think, is something that people really 1373 00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:28,160 appreciate. And I think it's something 1374 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:31,920 that people will miss if the court is 1375 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:34,720 over in Glendale. So, um I think they 1376 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,520 like the fact also that they can if they 1377 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:39,760 don't like the judge, they can conceive 1378 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,680 of running against the judge, not you 1379 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,839 know them personally, but supporting a 1380 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:47,119 candidate locally in White Bish Bay an 1381 00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:49,200 election here that's going to change who 1382 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:51,920 is going to be presiding in the court 1383 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,400 right in Glendale. That's going to be a 1384 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,760 combined court with Glendale, Brown 1385 00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,480 Deer, Bayside, possibly River Hills. 1386 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,480 That's not going to be in any sense a 1387 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,640 locally controlled court, right? It's 1388 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,559 going to be difficult to imagine, you 1389 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,400 know, 1390 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,839 how do you fight city hall, right? 1391 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,280 That's always the question. You know, 1392 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:13,839 you can't fight city hall. Well, you 1393 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:16,000 certainly can't fight city hall if it's 1394 00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:19,680 located in Glendale, right? I mean, 1395 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,920 that's going to be the the the idea that 1396 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,480 people have about going to municipal 1397 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,400 court for White Fish Bay when they're 1398 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,599 going to municipal court in Glendale. 1399 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,319 It's going to be a a a philosophically 1400 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:34,160 alienating, not to, you know, get too 1401 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:36,960 high in the sky, but it is going to be a 1402 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:40,480 philosophically alienating 1403 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:43,280 um experience to have to go fight your 1404 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,920 parking ticket in front of a Glendale 1405 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:49,040 judge and it will decrease the quality 1406 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:52,079 of service in that regard that Whitefish 1407 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,799 Bay delivers to its community. So, I 1408 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:56,400 think you should look hard at this. I 1409 00:56:54,799 --> 00:56:58,960 think there's a number of concerns about 1410 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,160 it. I think the savings are not worth it 1411 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:04,319 quite frankly to to maintain the local 1412 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,720 character that we have in our municipal 1413 00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:10,799 court where people can come and 1414 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:14,079 experience you know what often times the 1415 00:57:10,799 --> 00:57:16,240 Fox Point judge um Scott Wales refers to 1416 00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:18,640 as the people's court. That's what he 1417 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:21,200 calls it when people come to his court 1418 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:23,760 in Fox Point which is you know right up 1419 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,000 in Village Hall in Santa Monica. and he 1420 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:29,040 knows that people can come and they know 1421 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:33,040 who he who who he is and they know what 1422 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:35,599 his you know personality is and what his 1423 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,760 philosophy is and and things like that. 1424 00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:40,640 So I think it's very important to 1425 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:44,160 maintain that local character for our 1426 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:47,040 municipal court and um to not combine it 1427 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:50,400 with the uh other court. The other thing 1428 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:52,880 I would say about the study is that you 1429 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:55,200 know it uh talks about this the joint 1430 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,079 feasibility study. It compares it to the 1431 00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:00,799 Midmarine Municipal Court which is 1432 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:03,359 really a bad comparison because the 1433 00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:06,079 Midmarine Municipal Court has 16 1434 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:08,400 communities. Okay. And they have 16 1435 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,960 sites where they have court. Each 1436 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,520 community basically has court in their 1437 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,520 own community from Meccan to Germantown 1438 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,760 all over the place. And they have a 1439 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:21,119 judge who's essentially a full-time 1440 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:23,839 judge, right? I mean, she Chris Olas 1441 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:26,240 basically does not practice law other 1442 00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:28,720 than be a judge for the mid-marine 1443 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,200 municipal court. And her salary is 1444 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,839 commensurate with that. It's easily 1445 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:37,760 twice what uh Judge Lipkcom currently 1446 00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:40,880 gets. Um, and it's just there's there 1447 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,559 the comparison between that and these, 1448 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,680 you know, little assortment of villages 1449 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:47,920 here is absolutely apples and oranges. 1450 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,559 It it it there's no comparison in terms 1451 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,880 of the way that works and the way this 1452 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,960 would work here. I think it's very 1453 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,119 important that you think carefully about 1454 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,520 this before you make any decisions to go 1455 00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:01,920 ahead with this. I think the system is 1456 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,920 working very well right now. I think 1457 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:07,040 there's a saying that goes, if it ain't 1458 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:09,680 broke, don't fix it, and it ain't broke. 1459 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:12,960 So, thank you. 1460 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:15,920 » I'm I'm just curious. Uh, the study that 1461 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:17,599 was done, if if I was creating a study, 1462 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,720 I think you would be one of the people I 1463 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,240 would interview. Did 1464 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,400 » I think so, too? They did not interview 1465 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,520 me. 1466 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,440 » They did not interview. 1467 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,280 » They did not interview that question. 1468 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,599 » I I didn't hear from any think anybody 1469 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,079 either. 1470 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,520 » Interesting. 1471 00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,160 » Right. I mean, they didn't they didn't 1472 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,559 really get on the ground in terms of I I 1473 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,920 I think the same is true of Shwood. When 1474 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,400 I talked to Margot Kirtcher, the 1475 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,920 Shorewood judge, she was surprised when 1476 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,079 this thing even came up. She was like, 1477 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,040 "They did a study. Nobody told me." 1478 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,880 » Did they interview Village Stack like 1479 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,480 where are they getting they must got a 1480 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,079 citation data and you know, 1481 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,839 » Yeah, they got data, but they I don't 1482 00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,839 think they interviewed people and they 1483 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:54,240 certainly didn't come to see how court 1484 00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:56,000 works. As far as I can tell, they didn't 1485 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,680 do any on the ground investigation 1486 00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,400 besides gathering data. I could be 1487 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,400 wrong. 1488 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,319 » Yeah. So, they did a data request. Um, 1489 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,319 there was talk or we were told there was 1490 01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:07,040 potential that they'd be interviewing 1491 01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:08,559 staff and so both of them were informed, 1492 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,200 but my understanding is that they didn't 1493 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,160 interview them. 1494 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:14,880 » My apologies. Who who in who initiated 1495 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,040 this this study? So the village of 1496 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,480 Bayside is the one that's that applied 1497 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,160 for all the grants and there were 1498 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,000 several that we were allowed to 1499 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,839 participate in and so the Northshore 1500 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,079 managers were asked which do you want to 1501 01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:28,000 participate in and we participated in 1502 01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,720 all of them because there's no cost and 1503 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,319 why not 1504 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,839 » And the confusing thing about Bayside 1505 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:33,520 initiating this study is that they were 1506 01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:35,680 already in the court. They were already 1507 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,359 in the Northshore mine court. So I'm not 1508 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,640 sure they decided to study. 1509 01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:40,240 » You know why I'm asking the question? 1510 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,559 I'm trying to figure out like, you know, 1511 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,079 how impartial all of this is and it 1512 01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,119 sounds like it's 1513 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:48,799 » Not completely 1514 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:50,559 » Right. I I would agree with that. 1515 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:51,760 Other questions or 1516 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:54,480 » Yeah. Do any trust? 1517 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,799 » I have a question for Chris. Um Chris, 1518 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:59,200 you were talking about 1519 01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:00,640 for prosecution. 1520 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,760 » Oh, sorry. Yeah, Chris. 1521 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,559 » I'm not sure who you're 1522 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:07,440 » Attorney Jaggles. Sorry. Okay. Um, you 1523 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:10,400 were talking about going out for RFP for 1524 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,400 prosecution. Did I hear that correct? 1525 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,440 » Uh, that's just what I've heard out on 1526 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,319 the street. 1527 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,920 » Okay. Do Do you think the numbers aren't 1528 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:20,960 really correct in the study? Then it 1529 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,079 will actually be more expensive. 1530 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,680 » I don't know that it'll be more 1531 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,440 expensive. I know that some of the 1532 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,960 numbers I see in there are not the 1533 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,359 numbers 1534 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,880 that I'm familiar with, if that makes 1535 01:01:29,359 --> 01:01:31,520 sense. 1536 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,839 But 1537 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,440 » I I'll comment on that because I do 1538 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:37,280 think that the study numbers are 1539 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,599 overstated which is why I did my own 1540 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,920 calculations in the memo. So so 1541 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,599 specifically from the prosecution side 1542 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:47,440 they had assumptions about number of 1543 01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:49,119 hours spent on cases which is based on 1544 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,200 what they have realized in the 1545 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:52,400 Northshore court but our numbers in 1546 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,559 prosecution hours have been 1547 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,880 significantly higher. So, I used the 1548 01:01:54,559 --> 01:02:00,400 same number of hours and then multiplied 1549 01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:02,960 it by the hourly rate, which they got an 1550 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,200 actual quote on. So, that isn't a madeup 1551 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:09,119 number. That's a quote that was pro 1552 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:12,720 provided by the atur or the um law firm 1553 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,280 that represents Brown Deer and Glendale 1554 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,599 currently. Uh but yeah, the idea was 1555 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,000 that potentially the communities would 1556 01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,079 go out to RFP. we would have per the 1557 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:24,319 contract, I think it's five or six years 1558 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,200 that we could remain with our current um 1559 01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:29,599 prosecution service or prosecution firm 1560 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:31,200 or we could go out to RP and that 1561 01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:32,960 decision could be made at a later time. 1562 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,319 It doesn't have to be made now. But I 1563 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,720 guess all that to say is yes, I think 1564 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:38,319 the prosecution savings in the study is 1565 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,799 overstated because it's based on an 1566 01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:42,799 assumption of fewer hours being spent 1567 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:45,119 which could or could not be realized. 1568 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:47,920 And so I feel like my numbers are pretty 1569 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:50,480 conservative and so that's why I added 1570 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,680 those additional numbers in the memo. 1571 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,520 » And the other thing I would say about 1572 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,040 that is if you're really talking about 1573 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:58,960 doing a court on the same night as 1574 01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,640 another community in the Glendale 1575 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,000 Municipal Court, your prosecutors are 1576 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,000 going to be spending far more time there 1577 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:08,160 than they do here. I mean, we can get 1578 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:11,040 through cases quick here. And if you're, 1579 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,640 you know, if Judge Lipkcom is, I don't 1580 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:15,119 know what he's going to be doing, you 1581 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,880 know, 5 to 7, you know, whatever it's 1582 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:19,839 going to be, it's going to be more 1583 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,160 difficult to do that and that adds up to 1584 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:23,760 more hours as far as I can tell. 1585 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520 » That's why initially there was 1586 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,119 discussion about White Fish Bay being 1587 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:29,039 paired with Bayside because we have the 1588 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,240 same prosecutor. Um, I'm not sure if 1589 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:32,000 that's what would actually end up 1590 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,119 happening. Uh, but I do hear what you're 1591 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,119 saying and that's part of the reason why 1592 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:40,400 there's this desire from the existing 1593 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:43,520 participants to have joint prosecution. 1594 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,920 Well, that's always assuming or that's 1595 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,280 that's assuming that 1596 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,319 we're always going to have the same 1597 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,119 prosecutor, which is a I mean, it's 1598 01:03:50,319 --> 01:03:54,400 there's a big difference between 1599 01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:56,720 are we always going to have the same 1600 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:58,880 prosecutor and are are we always going 1601 01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:01,839 to have a need for police and fire? I 1602 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:04,319 mean, I there's a 1603 01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:05,920 consolidation in this situation is is 1604 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:08,319 vastly different than other ways that 1605 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,319 we've done other consolidation in the 1606 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:11,319 Northshore. 1607 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,319 » Quick question just about the memo and 1608 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,039 the savings numbers, but particularly 1609 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:21,599 the innovation grant that is that 1610 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:23,760 renewable like you have a fiveyear 1611 01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:26,880 window. Is it renewable after that? So 1612 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:30,400 year six, any potential grant funding 1613 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:33,119 that's not on the table? Okay. So for 1614 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,079 for long-term purposes, you you are and 1615 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:40,720 and knowing that 1616 01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:43,520 from what you're suggesting um that 1617 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:47,200 Shwood is not interested 1618 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:51,839 and so this all white you know everybody 1619 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:54,240 joins this court is likely not 1620 01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:57,440 happening. You know, the the the numbers 1621 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,599 are closer to the 36 and I'm sorry, 36 1622 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,960 or 31. 31. 1623 01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:02,880 » It's 36. I really 1624 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:06,400 » Yeah. Oh, I see. So, okay. So, it is 1625 01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:08,799 six. Got it. Um 1626 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:12,000 36 is the ongoing 1627 01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:14,240 savings in your especially in year six 1628 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,559 going forward. So, that's you know, it's 1629 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:18,799 it's nice to have the potential of an 1630 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:22,079 innovation grant, but you know, I always 1631 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:26,319 look longterm and so um all right. Are 1632 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:28,079 there any other questions for our judge? 1633 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:28,559 I want to thank you for coming. Um, 1634 01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:31,039 thank you. 1635 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:34,880 » Lots of great information that um, memos 1636 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,640 and studies don't give uh, color to and 1637 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,280 you've done a great job tonight. So, 1638 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,440 » Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 1639 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,280 » Were should we call other members of the 1640 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:45,200 public or Yeah. Are there other members 1641 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,039 of the public or anyone else staff 1642 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:52,319 members who'd like to speak on that? You 1643 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:54,720 will. All right. Come come come to the 1644 01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:56,400 » So my caveat is this is also my husband. 1645 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,839 Um so my name is Paige Styler. I'm 1646 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,599 obviously a resident of Boyish Bay. I'm 1647 01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:01,280 also a lawyer and I'm a public defender. 1648 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,280 » Do you need her address? 1649 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,920 » I speak really fast too. Sorry. Do you 1650 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,640 need my address? 1651 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,760 » Address, please. 1652 01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:08,000 » 4918 North Idol Wild Avenue. What a 1653 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,559 great 1654 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,160 » Proud neighborhood. Uh proud neighbor of 1655 01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:13,200 Jay and his family. 1656 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,799 » I'm sorry to hear that. 1657 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,960 » Yeah, I know. 1658 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:19,760 Um, so the one thing I just wanted to to 1659 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:21,680 say to the the to all of you is that I'm 1660 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,319 a real big believer in procedural 1661 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,000 justice. And when a person gets a 1662 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:28,720 ticket, even if they are totally guilty 1663 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:31,839 of that ticket, how they are treated 1664 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,200 makes a big difference. And I always I 1665 01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:34,640 have come up and I've watched my husband 1666 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,640 and yes, I'm very proud of him, but I'm 1667 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:38,400 proud of everyone I see in the court and 1668 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:41,119 how they treat people who are not only 1669 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,680 from Whitefish Bay, but outside the 1670 01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:46,000 community. It's very important to me to 1671 01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,839 have a good reputation about the people 1672 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,079 who come through here, whether or not 1673 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:52,160 that person is from here or not. You 1674 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,000 cannot control another when you 1675 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,920 outsource, you can't control what 1676 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,079 happens. And if something bad happens 1677 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,240 and they say, "This is a White Fishbay 1678 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:02,400 ticket and this is how I was treated." 1679 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:04,799 How are you going to defend yourselves? 1680 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:07,760 We control how we treat other human 1681 01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:09,760 beings by keeping it local. by making it 1682 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,319 a people's court. When you have 1683 01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,480 prosecutors who care about what they're 1684 01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:16,400 doing, when you have a judge who cares, 1685 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,880 when you have a clerk who cares, when 1686 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,079 you have the police department baifts, I 1687 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,720 don't know how they're exactly called, 1688 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:25,520 I've seen amazing things in this very 1689 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,359 small court in which even when a person 1690 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,119 is found guilty, they're going to pay a 1691 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:30,960 fine, they're going to get something, 1692 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:32,480 they're very thankful to the court and 1693 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,200 how they were treated. And I just want 1694 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,880 to say you can't that's something that 1695 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,400 money can't buy. And it's really 1696 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,240 important to how your community is 1697 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,000 viewed. And when Jay was talking about 1698 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,760 earlier about, you know, we want 1699 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,079 everyone to love White Fishbay. We want 1700 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,599 to see the big boom. When you do these 1701 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:49,680 other things, they can be you just have 1702 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:51,599 one bad article and kind of that's where 1703 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,200 all that goes. People have perceptions. 1704 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,440 So, I want to just say that I think it's 1705 01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,640 really important that we control it. Um, 1706 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,559 and then if you don't like something 1707 01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,079 that someone does, you vote them out. 1708 01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:03,440 That's kind of the the best way to 1709 01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:05,920 handle it. Um, and what else can I tell 1710 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,039 you? Um, I just think it's it's great. 1711 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,799 You guys should be proud of yourselves. 1712 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:10,559 When I come up here and I watch um 1713 01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:12,319 people think I'm ridiculous that I come 1714 01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:15,599 and I watch my husband do ticket after 1715 01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:17,759 ticket after ticket, but watching um you 1716 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:19,440 know the court in action is is a is 1717 01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:21,520 really important and how people are 1718 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:23,120 treated. Um and there's also things like 1719 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,480 there's truency, there's other things 1720 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,319 that come through here. I think having 1721 01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:28,960 an understanding of the White Fishb 1722 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,719 school system is really important. Um 1723 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,640 and then lastly, what I would say is we 1724 01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:34,080 all have great kids, right? We all have 1725 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,560 perfect children and they're never going 1726 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,080 to make a mistake. But there are really 1727 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,000 good kids, and you probably know of 1728 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,679 them, that will get an underage drinking 1729 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,600 ticket. And there are really good kids 1730 01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:47,520 that will do something wrong and they'll 1731 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:49,040 take a a prank too far. And I think our 1732 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,799 community needs to make sure that 1733 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,040 whoever is elected to position, whatever 1734 01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:56,000 this court is, make sure that they 1735 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,759 represent kind of where we want. I mean, 1736 01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,759 people and children sometimes need to be 1737 01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:01,679 held accountable, but we don't want to 1738 01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:03,920 ruin their lives either. and you lose 1739 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,920 that control when it goes in a different 1740 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,600 um community. I know that one thing that 1741 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:10,880 was very concerning to this community 1742 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,159 was um pedestrians and to make sure that 1743 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,000 uh people were watching out for 1744 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,759 pedestrians and so I know the police 1745 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,839 department did a lot of work in that 1746 01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:20,080 area and so I watched a lot of tickets 1747 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:21,759 come in front of my husband on that and 1748 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,600 because he knew it was a concern for 1749 01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:25,759 this community. It's when someone took 1750 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,279 the ticket or was being found guilty. He 1751 01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:29,040 didn't just say, "Okay, you're guilty or 1752 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,799 whatever, whatever." He talked to them 1753 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,279 about the importance, how important it 1754 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:35,040 is to slow down, how important it is to 1755 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:38,159 watch out for pedestrians. We are a 1756 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:40,480 walking community. When your judge, when 1757 01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,560 your police department, when your clerk, 1758 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:44,640 when everyone knows the concerns of this 1759 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:47,279 community, I think you can really make 1760 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:49,600 your court um represent it in a very 1761 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,440 good way. Um, and I think it also gives 1762 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,520 you that latitude that when a good kid 1763 01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,520 messes up, you can figure out a way that 1764 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,880 it they can still become a nurse or they 1765 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,920 can still become a lawyer. They can 1766 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,199 still become some of these things 1767 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,719 without having something that they 1768 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,640 explain have to explain to a bar 1769 01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:04,719 association 30 years later that they got 1770 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,600 an underage drinking ticket. So that's 1771 01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:08,320 what I would say. 1772 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,600 » All right. Thank you. Any other members 1773 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:15,120 of the public interested? 1774 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:18,080 Okay. So, my next question is for 1775 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,600 Kelsey. What do you want from us 1776 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,000 tonight? 1777 01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:24,320 » So, this was just noticed as an initial 1778 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,800 introduction discussion. Uh, so if 1779 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,960 there's a desire then to continue having 1780 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,880 this conversation, then it would be 1781 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,560 direction to staff to draft the 1782 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,760 ordinances and the um contract or it 1783 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,000 could be direction for additional 1784 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,840 information or you know, whatever the 1785 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,440 board needs. 1786 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:44,719 Um, 1787 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:49,440 so I just just a couple of things on on 1788 01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:52,800 along those on that line. Uh, 1789 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:54,480 Judge Johnson kind of echoed 1790 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,840 um, 1791 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,679 you know, I would have echoed some of, 1792 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,960 you know, a lot of the concerns that he 1793 01:10:57,679 --> 01:11:03,199 shared. um 1794 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:07,360 especially the 1795 01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:12,159 uh the the workloads and the you know 1796 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:16,239 the the people's court aspect. Uh 1797 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:18,480 there's there's one caveat that that I 1798 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:21,920 want to put in here for us to think 1799 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:25,280 about is I think we've been we've been 1800 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:29,120 incredibly fortunate to have someone 1801 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:32,719 like Judge Johnson who actively wanted 1802 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:35,440 to take this role and is actively trying 1803 01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:40,000 to recruit potential replacements. 1804 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:41,920 we might not always be that lucky and 1805 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,360 I I don't you know that 1806 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,120 » In terms of getting a candidate 1807 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:48,000 » Getting a candidate I mean there have 1808 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:51,920 been times where you know for for and 1809 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:56,400 this is across all you know municipal 1810 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:59,040 elected officials um you know who I know 1811 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,040 that you know that Judge Lipkum in 1812 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,719 Glendale has been there a very long time 1813 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,880 and to the best of my knowledge has a 1814 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:08,289 great reputation but at the like what 1815 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,080 happens you know if it you 1816 01:12:08,289 --> 01:12:12,239 [clears throat] know when when he you 1817 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,320 know when he leaves are they gonna have 1818 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:18,239 you know those kind of an issue if there 1819 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,159 is a consolidated court I think that we 1820 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:25,120 all of the communities involved would 1821 01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:27,600 have an easier chance at would would 1822 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:31,360 have a better chance at having 1823 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:33,840 candidates because there would be such a 1824 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,800 um such a workload 1825 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:39,360 Um that is the only 1826 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,000 sticking sticking point to me is that 1827 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:44,480 you know it's possible that that becomes 1828 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,679 more than just a 1829 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:49,520 you know a a a a part-time once a month 1830 01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:51,679 you know gig the more of these 1831 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,760 communities that that come to it again 1832 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:57,520 the only sticking point I have no 1833 01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:02,000 interest in in this in moving forward 1834 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:04,480 with it um but I just want to if in if 1835 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,040 others do that's one thing that I that I 1836 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:06,800 would throw out there. 1837 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,560 » That's the first thing I I heard the 1838 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,239 rumor that uh our judge wasn't 1839 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:13,040 continuing and I wondered what happened 1840 01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:16,000 if nobody stepped forward. So that is 1841 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:18,239 absolutely inaccurate um commentary. 1842 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:22,080 That being said in we've had two judges 1843 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:22,800 in 25 and that's the thing stick around 1844 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,760 for a while. 1845 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,800 » But you know again 1846 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,239 » You need that one 1847 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,840 » We've been inc we've been incredibly 1848 01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:29,920 lucky and same thing with Glendale. 1849 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:32,880 Judge Lipkin has been there since the 1850 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,640 dawn of time as far as I know. There was 1851 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,040 there was a person who expressed 1852 01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,320 interest in the position 1853 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,719 » In ours. 1854 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,440 » Yes. 1855 01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:43,120 » Yes. I Yes. I I mean I know but yeah, 1856 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,960 » But I I just I 1857 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,800 » I think we'll fill it. 1858 01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,520 » But four years from now, will we fill 1859 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,840 it? 1860 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,400 » Four years from then, will we fill it? I 1861 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:51,040 I just 1862 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,840 » You're not wrong. 1863 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,880 » I that is the only 1864 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:57,600 sticking point for me. 1865 01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,400 » Trusty Saravan or Casper? 1866 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,480 So yeah, I'm I'm curious what your 1867 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,600 thoughts are in that we needed direct 1868 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:08,320 staff. So let us 1869 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:11,040 » I I came in here rather dubious about it 1870 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:14,159 and then listening to two of the three 1871 01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:19,040 people who spoke. I am leaving even more 1872 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:21,679 so. So I am not super enthusiastic about 1873 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:24,000 proceeding with this either. 1874 01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:26,080 » Thank you. Trusty Casper. 1875 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:29,840 » Same. You both are really good 1876 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:33,440 attorneys. changed my mind. 1877 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:35,920 » There you go. Um, yeah, my perspective 1878 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:38,800 is really shared the same thoughts of 1879 01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:41,360 the other trust, three trustees in that 1880 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,520 the the savings if the savings number 1881 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:46,239 was double, triple, or quadruple, then 1882 01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:51,199 you'd have my attention. Um, I I do look 1883 01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:53,120 at this as a $36,000 purchase. And and 1884 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:57,679 what what does Whitefish Bay get out of 1885 01:14:53,120 --> 01:15:00,239 this by not consolidating? and and I I I 1886 01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:02,480 think what um Judge Johnson just 1887 01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:05,120 described was completely valuable, 1888 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:08,719 completely worth that kind of funds to 1889 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,000 pass up. Um so I I I think amongst the 1890 01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:14,880 four of us currently um none of us are 1891 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,280 interested in in continuing. We we are 1892 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:19,679 missing three other trustees. Um, I 1893 01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,600 would I I I would like to hear from them 1894 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:23,520 at some point what their thoughts were 1895 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,520 because at some point we did discuss 1896 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,280 this and whether this should be on the 1897 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,960 agenda and I think it was like, hey, 1898 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,880 let's at least talk about in the agenda. 1899 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,560 So, I'm I'm not entirely positive what 1900 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:38,320 the other three trustees think. Um, so 1901 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:40,320 perhaps you could 1902 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,320 do I do we want to put it on on a future 1903 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,000 agenda or do we need could we have the 1904 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,800 three trustees reach out to the village 1905 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,480 manager to say they disagree with this 1906 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,719 and they would like to I think it 1907 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:53,760 shouldn't be on a future agenda until 1908 01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:55,520 another trustee that isn't here um says 1909 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,239 that they'd like to put it on. I 1910 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,840 couldn't agree more. 1911 01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,239 » That makes the most sense. I couldn't 1912 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,159 agree more and I and I think you'll find 1913 01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,159 at least one of the trustees who's not 1914 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:06,239 here that completely agrees with us. 1915 01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:08,960 » Okay. And I mean the the other little 1916 01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:12,000 caveat I'd put in there is I I'm basing 1917 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:13,280 this mostly on the math. Um if if it 1918 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,440 turns out that we've made some 1919 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,679 assumption that's wrong and that you 1920 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:19,840 know the the numbers are double and 1921 01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:22,400 triple and and because we are heading 1922 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,640 for a moment of levy limit issues and so 1923 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:27,920 we shouldn't be leaving um stones 1924 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:30,480 unturned. So 1925 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:33,600 my only caveat is simply 1926 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:35,679 let's continue to have an open mind as 1927 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:38,000 any new information comes to light that 1928 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:41,199 changes the mathematics of this. But for 1929 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:42,800 the moment I think it's uh four trustees 1930 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:45,440 have basically said we're not interested 1931 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,360 in moving forward and until another 1932 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:50,000 trustee steps forward or math has 1933 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:53,440 changed I think it is u off of our 1934 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,600 agenda. Did you do you need 1935 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:57,199 do you was there action for this or this 1936 01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,199 discussion? So this is staff this is 1937 01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:00,880 going to be staff direction. 1938 01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:03,120 » I mean the entire budget of the minutes 1939 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,800 of court is like 180,000. So it's not 1940 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:07,360 going to be quadruple that. 1941 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,159 » Right. Yeah. I 1942 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,800 Good point. 1943 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:09,520 » Yeah. 1944 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,480 » Good point. 1945 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,400 » Okay. That's 1946 01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:14,239 » All right. Well, uh thank you for 1947 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,719 joining us tonight. 1948 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:18,080 » Thank you. Appreciate your uh public 1949 01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:21,520 service. 1950 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,719 » Thank you. We will then move on to uh 1951 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,880 number four discussion action on 1952 01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:27,360 ordinance 1928 to reduce the speed limit 1953 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,600 on a portion of North Lake Drive to 15 1954 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,760 miles per hour. Chief. 1955 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,159 » Yeah. So, as part of our ongoing process 1956 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,640 to improve pedestrian and bike safety, 1957 01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:39,360 um I'm here to propose reducing the 1958 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,040 school zone speed limit on Lake Drive, 1959 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,840 uh the portion that's north of Silver 1960 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:47,120 Spring, which runs um approximately 1961 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:49,760 Carlile to Bell um from 20 miles an hour 1962 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:52,800 to 15 miles an hour. Um this would align 1963 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:55,920 with the school zone um state statutes 1964 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:58,960 and other school zones bay. Um the 1965 01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:01,120 current 20 miles an hour uh limit was is 1966 01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,520 allowed under an exception in state law 1967 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:06,480 which gives local municipalities an 1968 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,560 ability to to have an exemption for 1969 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:13,840 different speed limits within a certain 1970 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:15,280 parameter. Um in 2023 the village board 1971 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,840 lowered the speed limit the overall 1972 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,920 speed limit in the area from 30 to 25. 1973 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:23,440 To me, it makes sense to to lower it to 1974 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:25,520 15 um when school is crossing um or 1975 01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:29,199 school is um kids are going to and from 1976 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:32,159 school. Um this uh signage has already 1977 01:18:29,199 --> 01:18:34,159 been approved by the village board to to 1978 01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:36,239 improve the outdated signs that are 1979 01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:40,800 there so we can accommodate um having 1980 01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:42,640 the 15 miles an hour on those new signs. 1981 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:45,760 And if I remember correctly, isn't isn't 1982 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:48,000 it 15 on other school zones in Wet like 1983 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:50,320 Marlboro and every school? 1984 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,600 » So this is an this is correcting a 1985 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,080 oopsies really. 1986 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,480 » State statute says the school zone is 15 1987 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,719 miles hour. Um like I said that same 1988 01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,880 statute gives you the ability to change 1989 01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:04,480 it, but I don't see a reason why we 1990 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:05,920 would have it at 20 m hour 1991 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:09,920 » When it differs from anywhere in White 1992 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:12,880 Fish Bay. Um, this was presented to the 1993 01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,920 public works committee. Yes, 1994 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,320 » This one was not. 1995 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,719 » Well, I the signage was the signage, 1996 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,960 » But the the ordinance never was, but the 1997 01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:21,280 signage was approved. How about that? 1998 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,239 » Yes. 1999 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:26,480 » Yeah, we we just felt it prudent to get 2000 01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:29,280 this done before the school year. 2001 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:30,719 » I I have a slightly different topic 2002 01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,000 question and I I'm not sure it's going 2003 01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:35,600 to be for the chief. I'm not sure who's 2004 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:39,120 going to answer the question, but um we 2005 01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,960 have the capacity to um change the speed 2006 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,960 limits for different kind of vehicles 2007 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,280 like trucks. Can you you know like 2008 01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,960 there's highways you can have truck 2009 01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:49,120 speeds and regular speeds? Do you know 2010 01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,520 if municipalities can differentiate 2011 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:54,159 between vehicles and trucks and speeds? 2012 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,800 » I believe on local roads you can. 2013 01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:56,400 » No. 2014 01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,640 » No. Okay. I was just asking. 2015 01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,640 » I think so. 2016 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:05,600 where I was going was differentiating 2017 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:08,159 with um ebikes and maximum speeds and if 2018 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:12,159 we can regulate truck speeds, but 2019 01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:14,880 apparently we can't. So, never mind. Uh 2020 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:18,719 are there any trustee questions about 2021 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:20,320 this or members of the public? 2022 01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:23,280 Hearing none, Jay, do you think you 2023 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,440 could give me um number four? 2024 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:28,080 » Yes. I'm sorry. I move the village board 2025 01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:30,000 adopt ordinance number 1928 to amend the 2026 01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:34,560 speed limit identified in municipal code 2027 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:39,199 6-4 from 20 mph to 15 mph or North Lake 2028 01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:42,000 Drive from a 158 ft south of the south 2029 01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:45,679 curb line of East Carile Avenue extended 2030 01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:48,640 to a 172 ft north of the north curb line 2031 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:50,719 of East Bell Avenue extended at such 2032 01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,840 time children are present in the school 2033 01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:54,080 crossing zone. 2034 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,239 » Thank you. Do I hear a second? Second. 2035 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:57,760 » Thank you, Anna. Uh, any further 2036 01:20:56,239 --> 01:20:59,199 discussion? 2037 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,000 Hearing none. All those in favor say, 2038 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:00,800 "I." 2039 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,560 » I. 2040 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,960 » I. 2041 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:07,120 » Uh, any opposed? 2042 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,800 Motion carries. Thank you. 2043 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:11,280 » Okie dokie. 2044 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,679 Uh, moving on 2045 01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,520 to number 2046 01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:17,120 five, discussion action on ordinance 2047 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:20,400 1929 2048 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:22,719 to create article 7 of the of chapter 14 2049 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:26,080 of the municipal code in regard to lead 2050 01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:28,000 service line replacement LC. 2051 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,520 » Um, so actually attorney Jacobs is going 2052 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,120 to take this one because it's really 2053 01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,719 largely a legal leader legal procedure 2054 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:38,000 uh that we need to adjust. 2055 01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:40,080 » Yeah. Uh, thank you. Um, 2056 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,600 This is the result of some recent 2057 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:44,000 changes 2058 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:46,080 um in the in the statutes, changes that 2059 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:50,800 were welcome changes. And I say this 2060 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:52,639 because um we had been using uh the 2061 01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:56,320 special assessment 2062 01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:58,719 vehicle um as a way to to pay for 2063 01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,000 improvements to properties uh and then 2064 01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:03,199 to assess the cost of those 2065 01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,400 improvements. The the the 2066 01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,600 state now the department of 2067 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,440 administration has come down and said, 2068 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:11,520 "Well, wait a minute. you can't you 2069 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:14,719 can't be um uh especially assessing 2070 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:16,320 private property. Um in other words, 2071 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:18,320 it's all got to be devoted to the 2072 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,840 public. Now, that being said, the 2073 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:25,199 legislature came out with Act 137, which 2074 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:27,120 is a statute they passed in 2017, 2075 01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:29,600 um, which, by the way, has public 2076 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,320 service commission advanced approval, 2077 01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:33,840 which is important because 2078 01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:36,880 everything we talk about when we're 2079 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:40,239 paying for utilities like this is, are 2080 01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:42,719 we on the right side of the PSC rules 2081 01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:45,679 requirements? In this case, it's been 2082 01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:50,000 determined that if we pursue this Act 2083 01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:51,760 137 approach, um that we are free from 2084 01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,719 having to submit everything to the 2085 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:57,199 public service commission for approval. 2086 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:59,679 That's a bunch of uh legal ease 2087 01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:02,560 unfortunately, but um we just have to 2088 01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:07,920 get get a our arms wrapped around that 2089 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:12,719 first. Um what the statute does is says 2090 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:15,040 that from from now on um 2091 01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:17,920 basically uh improvements can be made to 2092 01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:20,880 private property specifically for lead 2093 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:25,440 service line laterals. Um and those 2094 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:28,000 improvements can be made using uh loans 2095 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,840 from the municipality not from the 2096 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,239 utility. Everything has to be kept 2097 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:36,080 separate from the uh Whiteish Bay Water 2098 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:39,440 Utility um for our purposes on this. But 2099 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:42,639 the the exemption allows for having work 2100 01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:44,639 done and paying for that work with a 2101 01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:47,520 special charge for current services. 2102 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:50,320 That's the same statute that you use 2103 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,639 when somebody doesn't cut their lawn and 2104 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,280 the village will come in and cut down 2105 01:23:52,639 --> 01:23:58,000 the, you know, the chest high weeds or 2106 01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:01,120 whatever it might be. uh clean something 2107 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:03,520 up and clear all that out that under the 2108 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:06,719 statute can be put on the tax bill for 2109 01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:11,040 the property that was that was affected. 2110 01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:14,239 So it it becomes a a u a way of 2111 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:16,000 enforcement as well. Um, and I say that 2112 01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:19,520 because 2113 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,560 the special the um I'm sorry, the 2114 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:27,679 special charge for current services um 2115 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:30,400 that that is done um and and and set up 2116 01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:31,840 and in setting it up there's there's a 2117 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:35,920 number of documents that have to be 2118 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:38,320 created to um to to satisfy this regime. 2119 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:42,880 One for example is that there has to be 2120 01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:45,840 an ordinance that says that uh that 2121 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:49,920 nobody can maintain 2122 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:53,520 uh the uh the lead the lead laterals if 2123 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:55,440 there is a need to rehabilitate 2124 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,639 the uh sanitary right in that same 2125 01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:01,600 location or the water man. If a water 2126 01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:04,239 mane uh is replaced, 2127 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:08,639 the the homeowner is required to take 2128 01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:12,400 the actions to remove the uh the the uh 2129 01:25:08,639 --> 01:25:15,840 lead lead lateral. Um 2130 01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:20,560 the the statute though also in envisions 2131 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:23,120 a negotiated uh lease for that for that 2132 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:27,040 property. I guess at least is the wrong 2133 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:29,920 term, but an agreement um 2134 01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:33,760 to uh to to allow for lead service 2135 01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:38,320 replacement and to do so 2136 01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:40,800 um under so so you've got today uh 2137 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:46,639 ordinance 1929. That's the action we're 2138 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:51,199 taking today. Um but the uh le policy 2139 01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:52,639 that that's in the past uh act 37. 2140 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:55,280 Yeah, there's a loan agreement. That's 2141 01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:57,280 what I was trying to drive at. So, the 2142 01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:01,440 the loan agreement has to be entered 2143 01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:03,440 into and then money can be 2144 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:05,600 loaned out. Essentially, the village the 2145 01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:08,320 village borrows the money and then pays 2146 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:10,400 for the special charges with that money 2147 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:14,400 and then it goes on the tax bill for 2148 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:17,679 that property or gets paid in a a 2149 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,840 negotiated um loan agreement which will 2150 01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:25,120 specify the term, the interest rates 2151 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:28,159 which by the way are very low. Uh and um 2152 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:30,719 uh and the um the access. Now, the 2153 01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:34,320 access is also spelled out in some of 2154 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:36,800 the documents in the uh in the packet. 2155 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,440 And by the way, this is a kind of a 2156 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,840 complex, messy situation. And I I 2157 01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:44,800 applaud Kelsey for the memo she put 2158 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:46,159 together because uh it makes it a lot 2159 01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:51,520 easier to understand what's going on 2160 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:53,280 here because it's all very succinct. Um 2161 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,520 so in the process we got a 2162 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:58,239 pre-construction inspection and private 2163 01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,719 uh replacement commitment that that 2164 01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:02,560 document has to be signed 2165 01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:04,880 um 2166 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,800 and that that essentially chooses 2167 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,440 between a loan agreement payment in full 2168 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:12,800 or or a special charge. Now, a special 2169 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:15,760 charge can sit on the on the the uh tax 2170 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,840 roles for the property until there is 2171 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:21,440 some sort of foreclosure or sale of the 2172 01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:22,880 property. Um that that makes sure that 2173 01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:26,400 the village gets its money back no 2174 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:28,400 matter what. And so it's a lot of times 2175 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:30,639 when you when you sell a property, you 2176 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:33,040 you have a closing and at the closing in 2177 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:35,920 comes the uh the list of exceptions from 2178 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:38,080 the title company. Well, this is one of 2179 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:40,159 those ex those exceptions that's going 2180 01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:42,639 to be on that title and it has to be 2181 01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:46,000 paid out in order to in order to close 2182 01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:48,560 it out when the property is sold. If the 2183 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:51,280 property is not sold, you're still 2184 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:53,920 hoping to depend on the loan agreement 2185 01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:57,280 and the uh the property owner being 2186 01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:00,239 current on their payments. Um 2187 01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:03,120 the um 2188 01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:04,639 the interesting thing that was was added 2189 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,360 here 2190 01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:11,760 um is [snorts] that in order to 2191 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:15,639 participate in it's section 660627 2192 01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,639 sub8 AG1. 2193 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,120 » Really? 2194 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,760 » Yes. 2195 01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:22,159 » Okay. 2196 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:23,920 » Yes. And uh and so that's that's that's 2197 01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:27,600 where the amendment landed that I was 2198 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:29,840 talking about from 2017. It requires 2199 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,320 that in order to participate and the PSC 2200 01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:35,679 backs this up, in order to participate 2201 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:41,280 in in the funding, 2202 01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:44,320 um, every property in that jurisdiction 2203 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:46,000 should be subject to, uh, required 2204 01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:49,280 connection, 2205 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:52,320 I'm sorry, required replacement. Um so 2206 01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:54,880 so that's that's required if if we're 2207 01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:58,960 not maintaining that system as a village 2208 01:28:54,880 --> 01:29:00,480 again not as a utility um then the the 2209 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,960 department of administration or the 2210 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:05,600 department of natural resources might 2211 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,320 withdraw our authority to to conduct 2212 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:13,520 these programs. Um, I I say that 2213 01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:14,800 but I point out that what Kelsey has put 2214 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,600 together here, including the list of 2215 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:20,800 attachments, um, accomplishes what needs 2216 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:25,280 to be accomplished. Um, 2217 01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:26,159 and can help get this get this done. Um, 2218 01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:29,040 let's see. 2219 01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:31,520 » And this isn't specific to Wes Bay. It's 2220 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:34,159 » Right. The statute is the statute is uh 2221 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:36,400 in use elsewhere. Um, Kelsey modeled a 2222 01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:38,560 lot of these documents after the the 2223 01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,040 same process in Cedarberg. 2224 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,679 » Okay. 2225 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,600 » And they they had some they had some 2226 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:45,040 nice ordinances and whatnot. Kelsey 2227 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,960 brought them to my attention. They I 2228 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:50,320 thought they were great. And um so we've 2229 01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:54,000 been in consultation with other 2230 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:56,080 communities like like uh like like I 2231 01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:59,120 just like um like I just described, 2232 01:29:56,080 --> 01:30:01,840 Cedarberg. Um, but we've also consulted 2233 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,960 with experts in this field just to make 2234 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:06,080 sure there wasn't something that we 2235 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:08,800 weren't weren't catching. Um, and I say 2236 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,239 experts meaning u 2237 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,960 an attorney in particular who 2238 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:15,679 specializes in this statute and this 2239 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:18,880 action. Um, [clears throat] 2240 01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:22,719 and everything is in order. I will I 2241 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:25,040 will tell you that uh it can the money 2242 01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:26,400 can only be spent in pursuant to a 2243 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:28,239 program that's administered by the 2244 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:30,800 municipality. 2245 01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:32,960 In other words, nobody can just look up 2246 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,920 and say, "Well, I'm going to replace my 2247 01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,560 lateral, my my lead lateral to give me 2248 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,440 some money." 2249 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:44,080 » Yeah. Um, it has to be part of a village 2250 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:47,520 program or uh, and uh, Trusty Sarman had 2251 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:49,120 brought this up possibly on an emergency 2252 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,960 basis, 2253 01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:56,000 you know, and we put together a draft to 2254 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:59,600 do that if if we need to do that. Um, 2255 01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,440 let's see. 2256 01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:04,080 » I hope we have enough. 2257 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:06,037 » Yeah, I was going to say you're going to 2258 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:08,239 want to stop me now. Yeah, I'm gonna 2259 01:31:06,037 --> 01:31:11,040 [laughter] stop you there. Um, quick 2260 01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:14,239 comment. I thought Trusty Deman had some 2261 01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:15,360 questions. Did he contact you and yeah, 2262 01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:17,199 » Get this resolved? 2263 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,320 » Well, we talked over the phone. He had 2264 01:31:17,199 --> 01:31:22,239 questions about if we did the financial 2265 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,639 assistance program that's authorized 2266 01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:26,560 through the PSC if that would mean that 2267 01:31:24,639 --> 01:31:28,480 we didn't we didn't have to do the 2268 01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:30,400 mandatory replacement ordinance. And I 2269 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,600 looked into that and my research showed 2270 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,199 that it would still be required. 2271 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:36,480 » Yeah, it's it's required. I just want to 2272 01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:37,199 make sure in absentia that he got his 2273 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,400 words in. 2274 01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:42,080 » It's required and that's that's what 2275 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,480 keeps it out of the PSC's uh snare, you 2276 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,239 know. 2277 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:47,280 » Got it. 2278 01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:51,440 Are there any specific questions for 2279 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:54,000 staff from any trustees? 2280 01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:59,320 Any members of the public? 2281 01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:59,320 Hearing none. Um there's a 2282 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:12,679 » Service line. Um could that funding be 2283 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:12,679 used? It's my understand 2284 01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,880 » Can you come up to the microphone just 2285 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:24,080 because we do have people at home. 2286 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:27,440 » Yeah. Sorry. 2287 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:30,320 I'll start my question over. Um, so if a 2288 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:32,239 resident informs the DPW or utility that 2289 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,960 they're replacing their private side 2290 01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:38,239 independently of a village project, it's 2291 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,239 my understanding that the utility has to 2292 01:32:38,239 --> 01:32:42,880 replace their public side. So, could 2293 01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:45,440 those funds be used in that scenario? 2294 01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:48,880 Because I think that that happens 2295 01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:50,800 enough for it to be addressed. 2296 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,280 » You mean where it's just a single solo 2297 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,920 project? 2298 01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:56,000 » Correct. It can be done but it can't it 2299 01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,040 can't be eligible for funding. 2300 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:57,520 » That was my question. 2301 01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,679 » Okay. 2302 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,679 » Thank you. 2303 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,719 » And I'm going to look at Jay unless he 2304 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,520 has a question to entertain motion 2305 01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:07,920 number 2306 01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,520 » Sorry. First 2307 01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,239 Sarban. Did you want to jump in with 2308 01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,280 your suggested amendment 2309 01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:15,920 the ordinance? 2310 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,520 » Yeah. Yeah. I I had just suggested and I 2311 01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:20,719 think that's what the memo was that you 2312 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:22,880 guys got later this afternoon. I had 2313 01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:27,679 suggested that since we were changing 2314 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:31,440 the ordinance now that if someone had an 2315 01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:34,719 emergency with their with their service 2316 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:36,480 line and we are now requiring that they 2317 01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:39,920 replace it, we're no longer allowing 2318 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:41,840 them to repair it that it seemed to me 2319 01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,080 that would make it eligible for this 2320 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,840 money. And I think I think we kind of 2321 01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,239 covered that already, but that was just 2322 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:50,400 what my thinking was behind it. And so 2323 01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:52,480 what was passed out is version two and 2324 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:54,719 that that's what we're discussing today. 2325 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:58,159 » So you don't have in front of well you 2326 01:33:54,719 --> 01:34:02,400 might but um we've were delivered a new 2327 01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:04,320 version of this um with language on uh 2328 01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,960 emergency replacements. 2329 01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,280 » Correct. 2330 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:06,880 » Right. 2331 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,719 » So I just wanted to clarify for anybody 2332 01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,159 that maybe is listening at home. It's 2333 01:34:08,719 --> 01:34:12,560 different than what was included in the 2334 01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:15,520 packet in that the eligibility language 2335 01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:19,360 has changed to include emergency 2336 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:22,239 » And so yes. which is still is still 2337 01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:25,199 different than someone just opting to do 2338 01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:27,280 it, you know, absent an emergency, 2339 01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:32,679 absent a break. 2340 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:32,679 » Do I'm sorry. Do we have 2341 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:39,120 » Do we have email? We got it via email 2342 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,040 this afternoon, Jay. 2343 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:43,520 » No, no, no. What I what I'm asking is do 2344 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:46,880 we have 2345 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:49,440 what constitutes an emergency? 2346 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,520 » I think it it described a break and that 2347 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,280 it and it had to be, you know, in 2348 01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:55,920 consultation then with the village 2349 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:57,920 engineer who would look and confirm that 2350 01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,719 this was a break that needed to be 2351 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,800 replaced. 2352 01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:04,639 » Exactly. It's a it's an administrative 2353 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:06,000 decision by the public works director, 2354 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,120 » I believe, is how it's written, right? 2355 01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:09,600 » It's by the village engineer. 2356 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:13,000 » Village engineer. Okay. And is is there 2357 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,000 not an emergency 2358 01:35:13,679 --> 01:35:18,560 » A planned break? I don't think 2359 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:23,639 » I'm just I I I that's one thing I didn't 2360 01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:23,639 see and and I still don't see it. Where 2361 01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:29,040 where is that in the in the ordinance? 2362 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,080 » It's on page three and it's in blue. 2363 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:33,760 It's the second line of blue text. 2364 01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:35,120 » Oh, as deter I'm sorry. Determined by 2365 01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,800 the village engineer. Okay. 2366 01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:40,719 » Yeah. Um, Attorney Jacles, are you 2367 01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,880 you're good with with that? 2368 01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:43,280 » Yes, I've gone over this and edited it. 2369 01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,159 » Okay. 2370 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,719 » Made some changes. 2371 01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:51,520 » All right. Actually, now that we have 2372 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:53,120 the word village engineer, do we we we 2373 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,480 still use the term village engineer. 2374 01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,600 » That's all over our code. So, that's why 2375 01:35:54,480 --> 01:35:56,880 I didn't instead of public works 2376 01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:58,639 director, it's a defined term. 2377 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,239 » Fair enough. I I know we used to have 2378 01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:02,480 one and then we Yeah. Okay. 2379 01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:03,679 » Yeah. That's why I I instinctively said, 2380 01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:07,360 » Yep. You know, 2381 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:09,360 » That's fine. If if it's public 2382 01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:10,560 » Uh all right so if you'd like to make a 2383 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:13,920 motion 2384 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:16,719 » Trusty cat you do I don't know if you 2385 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,280 talked to trusty Casper on this 2386 01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:18,880 » Okay 2387 01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:20,239 » Good 2388 01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,000 » I'm looking out for you Anna 2389 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:24,560 » Okay um 2390 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:27,600 » Okay uh with that said I move the 2391 01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:31,280 village board adopt ordinance number 129 2392 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:33,199 creating article 7 of chapter 14 of the 2393 01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:35,360 municipal code with regard to lead 2394 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:37,760 service line replacement as amended. 2395 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:38,960 » Perfect. Do I hear a second? 2396 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,480 » I second. 2397 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,520 » I'm going to give that to Anna. I think 2398 01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:42,239 she got it in. 2399 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:42,800 » Oh, wow. 2400 01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:44,800 » Um, 2401 01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,320 » Right, Terra. [laughter] 2402 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,960 » They're all yours. 2403 01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:50,719 » Any further discussion? Hearing none. 2404 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,080 All those in favor say I. 2405 01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:53,440 » I. 2406 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,679 » Any opposed? 2407 01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:58,320 » Motion carries. 2408 01:36:55,679 --> 01:37:00,320 All right. Now, we move into our final 2409 01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,000 item of the night, which is uh to go 2410 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,239 into close session. Tara, do you want to 2411 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:06,960 do it? Oh, I'll let you, Jay. You're 2412 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:09,679 there. [laughter] 2413 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:12,080 » I'll I'll do my best trusty Sarah uh 2414 01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:13,760 impression here. Uh I move the village 2415 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:17,040 board convening a close session pursuant 2416 01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:18,480 to Wisconsin state statute 19.851c 2417 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,159 considering employment promotion 2418 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:22,400 compensation or performance evaluation 2419 01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:24,000 data of any public employee over which 2420 01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,480 the governmental body has jurisdiction. 2421 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:27,920 I think so. 2422 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:30,800 » Or exercises responsibility 2423 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,560 regarding 2027 employee compensation 2424 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:35,280 benefits pursuant to Wisconsin state 2425 01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:37,199 statute 19.851E 2426 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,880 deliberating or negotiating the purchase 2427 01:37:37,199 --> 01:37:40,880 of public property, investing in public 2428 01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,080 funds, conducting other specified 2429 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,000 business 2430 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,520 » Whenever competitive and or bargaining 2431 01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,960 reasons require a close session 2432 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,440 specifically regarding contract 2433 01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:53,199 negotiations with the police union. 2434 01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:54,320 » Thank you. Do a second. 2435 01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,159 I'll second it. 2436 01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,920 » I was letting Anna do it. I was letting 2437 01:37:56,159 --> 01:38:01,360 you do it. [laughter] 2438 01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:04,159 » All right. Uh, all those in favor of the 2439 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:07,440 motion to go into close session, say I. 2440 01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:12,360 » I. Any opposed? Motion carries. We are 2441 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:12,360 now going into close session. 2442 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:16,199 » Pause the recording. 2443 01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:23,360 There's nobody else in the 2444 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,239 » Yeah. 2445 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:28,320 » Room. Okay. We have reconvened into open 2446 01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:29,440 session. It is 8:07 and the last thing 2447 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,159 we need to do is 2448 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:35,440 » Mr. President, I move to adjourn. 2449 01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:37,040 » Oh, I'm giving it to Jay and is there 2450 01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:37,760 anyone to second? 2451 01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:39,520 » Second. 2452 01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,040 » Thank you, Anna. All those in favor of 2453 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,679 adjourning say I. 2454 01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,840 » I. 2455 01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:46,400 » Any opposed? Motion carries. We are 2456 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:49,360 journed. Thank you all for 2457 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:52,719 » Spending two hours of your life 2458 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:53,520 with the public meetings that we have. 2459 01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:56,760 » Good night. 2460 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,760 » Good night.