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You were looking.

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» Going to go and get started. Um Mayor

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Allison was unable to uh make it tonight

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last minute. Um so I do need a motion

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from council to appoint a temporary

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very short-term

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person who does the mayor's duties

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tonight.

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» I'll make a motion.

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I'll allow the mayor for a short time

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this evening.

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» Do we have a second?

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» Second.

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» All in favor?

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» Very short, very short.

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» While uh

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» [clears throat]

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» While I'm getting situated here, I do

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want to make a

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acknowledgement of a change of agenda.

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We did add in a resolution.

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Um and that is to approve I sent it to

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council earlier. Um but that was part of

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our

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um grant for paving to approve

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Sadie and Dixie. Uh it's just a

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resolution to approve the mayor to sign.

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That was a grant that um I got few

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months ago for 512,000.

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Um so that's just an addition.

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And it's in it all council's packet

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there in front of you.

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» 521,000,

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correct?

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» What I said?

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» 512.

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» 21, yes.

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I don't maybe I said million or

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something.

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» All right, let's get situated here for a

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second. Melissa, I got to be honest I do

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not like this. This is the first time I

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have to see your name on my computer

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with my packet. Uh

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No, it says a little harder to find and

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it's I'm pretty comfortable with you and

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I will miss you, that's for sure.

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So,

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put this stuff down.

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So, the Pledge of Allegiance, sir?

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» All right. Thank you everybody for

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coming to this council meeting in August

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of 2026. My name is Adam Blau and

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I have the fortune of stepping in for

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Mayor Andy Ellison today. He couldn't

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make it. He

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took his kid to college today as I think

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a lot of people did and it just got a

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little got a little bogged down for him

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there so he couldn't make it back in

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time, unfortunately, but I think Eric

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will say he took his two kids down

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today. My brother took his son down

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today so it's a big day for a lot of

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parents out there so we wish him all the

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whole luck in the world.

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uh what's first here?

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» I'll go ahead and do a roll call.

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» Here.

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» Mr. Kendry?

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» Mr. Strange?

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» Ms. McIntosh?

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» Here.

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» Mr. Pennell?

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» Here.

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» We do not have minutes this month so

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they didn't get them done in time.

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» Plus I bring too much.

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So, minutes,

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visitors now and

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recognition for

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loving Melissa. Is that next on the

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list?

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Um so, Andy had sent me something and um

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I just printed out so this is Andy's

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words, but I can promise you um it is

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from all of us.

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So, I've been working with you for like

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8 years now and a couple years on

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finance before you.

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You're a very welcome member here and I

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will miss you so only you guys really

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would.

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Andy has said here um

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everybody can hear me.

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Tonight, we have the privilege of

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recognizing Melissa Beckett who has

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given 26 years of dedicated service to

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our city as our city clerk.

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26 represents thousands of hours of

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work, countless meetings, and more city

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business than most people will ever see.

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Through all of it, Melissa has been a

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steady, dependable, and trusted part of

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our city government.

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For 26 years, she has served not only

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just the office, but the people of the

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city.

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She has helped the mayors, council

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members, employees, residents, and

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countless others along the way.

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Her knowledge, professionalism,

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patience, and dedication have made a

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lasting difference.

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On behalf of the city,

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uh the city council, our employees, and

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especially the residents, I want to say

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thank you.

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Thank you for your loyalty.

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I know that thank you. You are You

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definitely are Fort Thomas through and

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through. Thank you for your hard work.

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Uh thank you for the many hours that

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probably went unnoticed, but were so

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important. And thank you for being

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someone we can count on year after year.

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Uh remar- rem- retirement marks the end

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of one chapter, but it also begins a

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wonderful new one.

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After 26 years of serving everyone else,

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you have certainly earned the

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opportunity to spend some time doing

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exactly what you want to do. Uh I'd like

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everybody to please join me in thanking

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and congratulating Melissa on 26

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remarkable years of service and wishing

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her a very happy and well-deserved

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retirement.

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» I don't If anybody does understand the

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title separate not her but everybody

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does here. It's unbelievable.

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Yeah, everybody

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Hey, come on in.

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We're getting you in there. Don't worry

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about my internet.

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You see him?

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No, he's not in there.

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Can you let him in?

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Get in there. Yeah.

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You want to get in there.

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All right.

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Thanks.

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I think next we're going to um

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highlight the uh parade award winners

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Fantastic slide. Parade is always one of

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the Wow.

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I mean every year you outdo yourself. I

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Melissa puts in a lot of hours yearly

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man. Linda puts in so many hours to do

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these parades. We complimented her a

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couple months ago after it was done. I

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can't

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imagine what you have to deal with in

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order to put this all together in one

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day just a few hours. You know, I just

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pray for no rain. It was It was nice day

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this year, too. It worked out really

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well. Things seemed to go smoothly, so

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um so

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» Um so we had three categories this

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month, or I'm sorry, this year, uh for

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most patriotic, most entertaining, and

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most represents the theme. So we will

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start with most patriotic, and that was

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the VFW 3205 of Alexandria, Kentucky.

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Terry, come up.

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» Thank you.

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» Our second place is Sharon McKnight.

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» Oh, thank you.

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» Thank you. Thank you.

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» Oh, thank you.

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» Great. Now you're really getting into

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» This was a joke.

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This was staged.

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And the promise here for third place is

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Christ the King Church. [applause]

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» Congratulations. Take a picture.

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» First year. There you are.

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» Oh, I get it.

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» You what?

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» I don't know. I'll take it.

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» [laughter]

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» Thank you very much.

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» He said

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» So, the next category is most

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entertaining.

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Um and first place is not you.

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Uh first place is Highlands High School

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Marching Band.

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» Is you.

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» Which is going to be uh

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» [laughter]

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» It'll be delivered by Nancy.

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Okay, nothing to do with it.

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» Congratulations.

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» Nothing to do with it.

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I just Brian told her to say thank you.

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That's all.

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» [laughter]

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» That's the reason. I worked hard.

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» Uh second place is Bella Dance. Julie

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I will deliver that.

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And then third place is Groove Center of

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Greater Cincinnati. Michelle?

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» No, she's not.

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» [applause]

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» And you're

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» Still.

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» And the last category is most represents

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the theme.

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Uh our first place is Sea Urchin Party.

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» Second place is John R. Little VFW 3186

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Southgate Secondary.

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[clears throat]

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» And third place is USS Cincinnati LCS

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200 Foundation. Is Noah here?

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» No.

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» Thank you guys a lot for appreciating

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Thank everyone who attended and everyone

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who participated. How many folks do we

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have this year?

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» 103.

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» Wow.

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» Is that around I was I was wondering. I

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thought it was. Wow, 103 folks.

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Every year it's just never amazing. It's

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one of those things to get I get started

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and it's one of the things that I get

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more energy as as I walk the further I

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go. The people on the sides are amazing.

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So, thank you for bringing that energy

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to town. It's all it's so moving. So,

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thank you so much for everything that

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you do.

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» [laughter]

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» Hello Mary Town, council members and

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staff. I'm Tom Lampe, 37 Clover Place in

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Fort Thomas. I sat on your side of the

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table for many years and now I'm your

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county commissioner. But, I'm here

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tonight to recognize 26 years of

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exemplary service and to wish Melissa

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Kelly Beckett, and Melissa and Kelly

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Melissa Kelly a fantastic and healthy

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long retirement.

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Um she was here before I got here. She

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stayed here long after I left. She

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worked with the finest of

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administrators, Jeff Earlywine,

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uh

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Don Martin, Ron Dill,

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Matt Kramer.

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I know you learned a lot from them, and

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I know you did a good job of training

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them as well.

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I just want to thank you for your

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service. You served us well.

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You were my friend, my confidant. My

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biggest problem is I don't know who I'm

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going to call now when I want to know

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the inside scoop of what's going on at

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City Hall. So, I do have a little token

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of my appreciation, a card for you. So,

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I just want to congratulate you for your

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years of service and thank you, and wish

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you well in your retirement.

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» [applause]

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[laughter]

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» You want to hoard me? I I I can't

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All right, next we'd like to hear from

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Christine from the Fort Thomas Business

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Council.

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Well, congrats to all those great vote

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winners. It's one of my most favorite uh

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days of the year, 4th of July in Fort

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Thomas.

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Um for some business owners, I told you

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all last month it is the biggest sales

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day of the year for us, and so I did

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send out a survey for better data

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tracking on you know, things you did

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different this year, how they worked,

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how many transactions you processed, and

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things like that. So,

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um we are beginning our efforts for

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better data tracking for wiser business

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decisions uh collectively moving

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forward. So, I'll let you know what

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happens there. Um I did want to let you

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know cuz Chris was here, he got invited

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to the WBN fireworks the 50th

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anniversary this year for Labor Day and

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he is doing a very special carving for

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that event. So that's so exciting.

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Our local Chris Rust at CR Carvings will

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be doing a great carving then. The

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former Grassroots and Vine is getting a

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remodel and a menu redesign to become

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Travelers Table. They'll be opening at

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the end of August to offer European

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tapas and a global wine list. No formal

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reopening date has been given yet, but

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they said by the end of August for sure.

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So watch social media for details. Also,

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wanted to let you all know that

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Protected Pets, our local business, won

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the 2026 Best of Kentucky Regional Pet

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Sitter. Pet Sitter. They're

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Protected Pets is a white glove pet

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service here in town.

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Inner Vision Pilates is moving and

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having their grand opening to the public

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on Saturday, September 12th with classes

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beginning at 8:00 a.m. at their new 1

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Highland location and lasting all day

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long.

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Um

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Stop by and see their beautiful new

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space on that day. Uh

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The power outage wrap-up. Thank you to

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our community that helped our businesses

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during the power outage last week.

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Neighbors helped restaurants bring up

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coolers and load their cars. Some of us

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lost food and one or two day days of

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business. But we definitely felt the

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love with people checking in on us in

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the center of town.

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It is pretty stressful for restaurants

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when power goes out. We get 4 hours

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before we need to start transferring

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food and then once food goes in the

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danger zone, you have 2 hours to get it

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down to temp. Um so you got your plan A,

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your plan B, your plan C, your plan D,

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E, and F and on and on

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for taking care of your refrigerators,

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your freezers, your deliveries, your new

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orders that need to go out, your event

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rentals, your team, your plan if for

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service depending on when the power

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comes back on. So that was a busy day

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for those folks in the center of town

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that had uh food spoilage on their

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minds.

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But, it was just really sweet how the

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community jumped in and helped everybody

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out. And so, we appreciate that. Our

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hearts go out to those residents in town

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who lost power for two days, three days,

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into four days.

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Almost four days. We were grateful that

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our businesses were charging stations in

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town. I know my family

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had lunch at Midway and charged a couple

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of phones. We had our hair done and

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charged power blocks

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because we also did not have power at

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our house. So, so grateful for that and

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glad that we could finally be that hub

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for people as well

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by Thursday. So, super grateful for the

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whole team that works on that. I could

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not believe you may talk about that a

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little bit, but how much work you all

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had to do and Duke had to do and the

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street services. Thank you. You guys are

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just awesome.

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Play music on the porch day. It's the

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last Saturday in August. Some of you all

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know about this day. It's a worldwide

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day. And Fort Thomas Coffee is on the

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map as a participant. Basically, bring

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an instrument, show up at the coffee

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shop between noon and 3:00 on the last

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Saturday in August, and our porch is

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your stage.

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It is a day to just bring people

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together with music and it is all across

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all around the world. You can go on the

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website and see who's playing in what

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countries and who's playing around here.

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So, if you if you're musical, come on

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up. You just sign your name on the list

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and get in line and we play music. So,

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the last Saturday in August, that's

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August 29th.

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And on that music note, business owners

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are getting together on Wednesday this

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week to coordinate how we're all showing

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up in our districts for the Merchants

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and Music Festival. It's going to be

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super exciting. The current music lineup

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is on the Merchants and Music website

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right now, so you can see who's playing,

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where they're playing, and what time all

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throughout town beginning at 10:00.

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Shoot, is it 10:00 a.m. or 10:30 a.m.

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all the way up through the evening to

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our big headliner, Toad the Wet

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Sprocket.

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We're getting together just to plan

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consistency and energy. I know the

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Inverness area, they are closing the

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streets in that area and they're setting

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up a big stage. I think they've got fun

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giveaways. I think Midway is doing a

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special barrel pick, at least they were

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hoping to for that event. So we'll firm

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up all those details on Wednesday and

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you can see what each district is doing.

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We'll probably advertise that through

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social pages and such. So stay tuned,

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but I will see you all before the event.

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So go out to what is going to be one of

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the most fun days ever in town. Music

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all throughout town all day long with

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one of the biggest acts coming to town.

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Merchants and Music September 19th is

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going to be fun. All right, that's all I

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got.

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» [applause]

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» I stepped back there a second ago and

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grabbed the uh

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uh the sign sign up sheet. Is there

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anyone who didn't sign up that would

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like to speak?

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Just make sure before I start reading

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names.

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All right.

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Uh first on the list is Jim McCourt.

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» Uh Jim McCourt, 121 Brentwood in as you

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guys all know, you know, a bunch of us

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came up last month.

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And all I can say is wow, you know.

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We uh we talked about it. We thought

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some a lot of us, including me, thought

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well, we'll come up and we'll complain

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about it, but probably nothing's going

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to happen. But damn if I think every

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single one of you were pretty tight knit

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uh

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street and I think one one of us saw

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each one of you drive down that street

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at least once living in that house.

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And the action you're taking this quick

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is just phenomenal. I mean, that's the

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way a city council's supposed to work.

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So we're really impressed. And we

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noticed there's eight envelopes on that

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door right now. Are we allowed to ask

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are those fines or are those just

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notices?

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Fines. Can we ask what the fine is or is

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that too much?

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» For each one?

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» Yeah, it's $500.

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» Wow. And and that bill's 500, 500, 500.

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Fantastic.

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Anyway, thanks so much for taking up the

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meeting and watching. Yeah, no, really,

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it's great. And not only that, but

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somebody mentioned, I don't remember who

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it was, but

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now you have a plan for if it happens

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again,

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you know, in the city.

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And the only other thing I'll say and

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then I'll sit down is, man, it is so

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much safer. I drive 27 every day from,

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you know, Red Bank on down to 471. And

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having to go from four lanes down to one

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lane is unbelievable how much safer that

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is. I'm going to say with Red Bank

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and I think that might have been a

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mistake decision, I don't know.

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But God has done a phenomenal,

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phenomenal thing there.

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And uh the wide sidewalks are great, so

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as far as I'm concerned, you guys are

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doing phenomenal.

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» Thank you.

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» I yield.

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» Now, I you know, I'll tell you all these

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people don't understand that we don't we

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can't physically fix anything if we

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don't know about it. You know, we all

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live in our circle of friends and

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knowledge. Um you know, we all have

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different areas of expertise that we

544
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,560
bring to the table. Uh but please uh

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tell your friends anything going on,

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00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,680
they can reach out to us, come to a

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council meeting. Uh unless you we're

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00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,000
told directly, sometimes we just don't

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see it. So, if thank you for bringing

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that to our attention, so not only does

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it help you guys out, but it helps us

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address anything else we can do in the

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future. Very important for us. We need

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your eyes. So, thank you for doing that.

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» All right, next up is uh

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Shannon Burket.

557
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,440
» Good evening. Uh Shannon Burket, I live

558
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,920
at 142 Red Bank Place.

559
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,240
I will just

560
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,840
touch on what Jim said, that the

561
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,000
neighbors are very thankful for the

562
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,520
action that we've seen at the house in

563
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,560
question, so thank you very much for

564
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840
that.

565
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,680
But my main purpose for coming here

566
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,640
tonight was to just

567
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,720
provide some feedback on the proposed

568
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,720
bike ordinance.

569
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,000
Um I did take an opportunity to read

570
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,640
what was posted in the calendar for

571
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,240
tonight's meeting.

572
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,360
I just want to start by saying I do

573
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,000
support the goal behind it. Um and it's

574
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,280
definitely a topic that I don't take

575
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,800
lightly.

576
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,680
But I would also like to ask the council

577
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,200
to widen the lens and focus on the

578
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440
safety of both the rider and the

579
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240
pedestrian on the sidewalk.

580
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,760
This isn't an abstract discussion for

581
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:18,200
me. I personally know two people who've

582
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,840
been hit by cars here in Fort Thomas.

583
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,600
And my own family has been directly

584
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,520
affected as my son was hit by a car car

585
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,760
while riding his bike on the sidewalk in

586
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,640
Fort Thomas this summer.

587
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,200
And every single day leaving my own

588
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,400
street, I'm nearly hit by cars who treat

589
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,320
stop signs as optional.

590
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,840
And this isn't a rare event. This is a

591
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,520
daily occurrence. Happened to me twice

592
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,960
today on the way to this meeting and

593
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,360
earlier today when I went out to run

594
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,840
errands.

595
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,560
So, I'm asking the council to consider

596
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,160
the physical reality of our streets

597
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,600
before

598
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,080
restricting where bikes can go.

599
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,160
Pushing bikes into narrow,

600
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,040
low-visibility streets without

601
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,520
addressing the underlying conditions

602
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,520
doesn't make anyone safer.

603
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,280
If we're serious about the safety of

604
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,000
both the rider and the pedestrian, I ask

605
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,880
the council to consider things like

606
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,600
driver accountability and traffic

607
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,520
calming measures at stop sign and

608
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,160
four-way intersection.

609
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,280
I also would encourage the council to

610
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,600
include updating the proposed ordinance

611
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,360
to once again include bike helmet

612
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,360
requirements for anyone under the age of

613
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,640
18.

614
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:24,040
I would also like the council to

615
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,720
consider maybe extending the road diet

616
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,160
along the avenue between Grand and

617
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,960
Memorial Parkway, using that reclaimed

618
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,080
space for a true dedicated bike lane, or

619
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,480
to allow us to expand the sidewalks to

620
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,680
be a European-style shared sidewalk

621
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,880
where there's space for both the

622
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:42,000
pedestrian and and the rider.

623
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,920
I know this proposal will raise a lot of

624
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,200
concerns about traffic congestion during

625
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560
school drop-off and pick-up, but I like

626
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,760
to ask the council to talk to the

627
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,520
schools to see if we can address that by

628
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,120
adjusting the school start and end

629
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,880
times, as other communities have, to

630
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,720
address transportation challenges in

631
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,640
their community.

632
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,760
Again, I support revising the current

633
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,360
bike ordinance to address the current

634
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,880
challenges that we face, but I also ask

635
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:08,080
the council to consider the safety

636
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,600
concerns that will ultimately rise from

637
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,760
the ordinance as it is currently

638
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,000
written.

639
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Thank you.

640
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,360
» All right. Next is Sharon McKnight.

641
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,560
» Good evening. Sharon McKnight, 62 Miller

642
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,880
Lane.

643
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,600
Um first I want to thank Linda Sloan and

644
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,040
all the volunteers who helped with the

645
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,600
4th of July parade. This is the first

646
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,680
year my family participated and everyone

647
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,000
did a great job. We had a great time. It

648
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,240
was extremely fun and I want to thank

649
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,840
everyone who helped and supported our

650
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,160
float this year. So, thank you very

651
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,640
much.

652
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,400
I also want to thank Melissa Beckett,

653
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,160
who's already left, for her 26 years of

654
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,840
dedicated service as our city clerk. She

655
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,640
has helped me tremendously over the

656
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,040
years with questions, open records

657
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,160
requests, and she is already missed

658
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:17,080
deeply. I also appreciate seeing several

659
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,960
important issues listed under old

660
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,680
business tonight, including the grow

661
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,560
grant discussion and setting the public

662
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,280
hearing dates for a flock cameras and a

663
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,280
forensic audit.

664
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,480
Keeping these matters on the agenda lets

665
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,080
the community know that there will be

666
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,360
follow-ups, so thank you so much for

667
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,320
that. I really appreciate that. Um I do

668
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,440
have a few questions though about other

669
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,000
important ongoing issues that are not

670
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,320
listed under old business, and I hope

671
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,960
those matters will also continue to be

672
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,240
carried over until they are fully

673
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,640
resolved. [clears throat]

674
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,960
Um the first one is the HR review. Um,

675
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,320
first, what is the status of the one

676
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,680
digital HR review that council approved

677
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,560
in February?

678
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,960
Do you have the status on that?

679
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,600
» Uh, the mayor met with the HR people

680
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,880
the week I left or the week I was on

681
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,520
vacation, so a couple weeks ago. Uh, he

682
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,960
was supposed to speak about it tonight

683
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,680
and he isn't here, so.

684
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,680
» Oh, okay. So, that's going to be carried

685
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:16,200
over to the next Okay, so, all my other

686
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,000
like

687
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,000
I mean, do you have any information on

688
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,840
it? Like, have have the employee surveys

689
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320
and interviews all been completed?

690
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,680
» They've been They've been completed.

691
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360
They've um met with the mayor to discuss

692
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,760
them.

693
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,200
» Okay.

694
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,520
» And that's that's where we're at right

695
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,480
now.

696
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,520
» Okay. And um

697
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,960
so, that's where you are. And when the

698
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,160
Okay, so, you're next month you're

699
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,920
looking at?

700
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,240
Okay, thank you. That one was easy.

701
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,480
Okay, you're good. Next one, W-2 pension

702
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,320
issue. Okay, I'd also like an update on

703
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,600
the W-2 and pension issue involving

704
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,840
current and former city employees that

705
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,240
was discussed last month.

706
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Um, from what we heard, um, this is not

707
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600
a small issue or small amount of money

708
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,920
and these employees have been dealing

709
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,840
with the effects of this for years.

710
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Um, the city said last month that it was

711
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,200
working on this, so, where does it stand

712
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,960
today? Do you have an update on that?

713
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,440
» Um, you want this or me?

714
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,720
» Well, I'll just talk about the

715
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Do you want me to go about the uh

716
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,760
» No, I don't want to talk about it.

717
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,440
» Uh, so,

718
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,440
the main

719
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Uh, the main person that was doing the

720
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880
analysis for us uh passed away this

721
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,840
month.

722
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840
» Oh my

723
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,400
gosh, really? Just

724
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,720
» They Yeah, they I've sent two follow-up

725
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,920
emails and I haven't gotten any back.

726
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200
Um, so,

727
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,360
I'm trying to figure out who the point

728
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,840
of contact is to to finish that up. I

729
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,200
know they were very close.

730
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,720
» And and I think they contacted they it's

731
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,720
it's assigned and I think we'll have it

732
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,400
probably within the next 30 days.

733
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,960
» So, it's not a firm. It's just one

734
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,880
individual.

735
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,560
» It's a firm.

736
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,920
» Oh, so it's not going

737
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,520
» So, they had multiple people cuz

738
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,600
» That can just pick up where they left

739
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,480
off.

740
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,200
» They They purposely had multiple people

741
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,800
because of this. Um and then I'm just

742
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,160
waiting to see who the point of contact

743
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,560
is to be able to to be able with them.

744
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,160
» Well, I'm just so sorry to hear that,

745
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,840
but thank you for the update. Um

746
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,960
Does the city know how many current and

747
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,720
former employees are affected? Do you

748
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
have a number?

749
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,960
» That's why we had them doing that.

750
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,640
» Oh, really? Okay. Um has the city

751
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,760
determined the total potential

752
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,720
liability? Are we talking hundreds of

753
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,480
thousands of dollars, possibly a million

754
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,040
dollars? How much

755
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,240
» That's what That's what we need to

756
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,120
analysis on.

757
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200
» Oh, really?

758
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Okay. Um

759
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,640
So, you don't have a timeline for

760
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,680
resolving this. I mean, that's kind of

761
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640
seems like the most important timeline.

762
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,960
It seems like this should have been

763
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,520
addressed

764
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880
» For me, the most important timeline is

765
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,000
to get the analysis back so we have some

766
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,680
actual numbers to discuss with council

767
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,720
before we figure out how to pay for it.

768
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,000
» So, you're thinking maybe a month?

769
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,160
» I'm hoping

770
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,760
» I mean, I'm just hoping for the

771
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,200
employees' sake that it's sooner rather

772
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120
than

773
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,600
» I mean, every Everybody up here is wants

774
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,240
the answers. I mean, it's not like we

775
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,920
It's a It's a very complicated

776
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,600
situation, which is why we hired the

777
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,960
group to go ahead and look into it.

778
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,080
» And that's And that's why I'm asking if

779
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,000
you could just carry that over under old

780
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,720
business. That way we know it's going to

781
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,160
be followed up. So, thank you. Um and

782
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,000
since the growth plan is also being

783
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,240
discussed tonight, I have one

784
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,240
suggestion. Um my understanding that

785
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,040
is available this year because last

786
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,000
year's funding was carried over. If

787
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,920
those funds can legally be used for

788
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,640
another purpose, would it make sense to

789
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:27,160
put that money towards taking care of

790
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,920
our own business first like supporting

791
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:32,600
our um so we could put that money that's

792
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,560
owed to the employees.

793
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Is that Or do you have any thoughts?

794
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,040
» Council can do whatever they want with

795
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,760
that money. I mean, they they can make

796
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,160
the change if they need to. But again,

797
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,240
» Okay. Okay. they don't have I mean,

798
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
council can't even guess um right now

799
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,320
anything

800
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
» Liability's going to be?

801
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,160
» And and we have guessed, don't get me

802
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,520
wrong. But until we know real numbers,

803
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,800
it doesn't, you know, it's just a

804
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,280
guessing game.

805
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,760
» Okay, well, I mean, cuz it just seems

806
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,560
like it would be, you know, if you could

807
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,840
pause on that whenever you're until, you

808
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,960
know, this all gets resolved and start

809
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,560
it once our financial obligations to

810
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,280
these employees were taken care of. Uh

811
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,080
just a suggestion. Okay, I also have

812
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,560
» Karen, just so you know, when the

813
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,720
forensic analysis is done and everything

814
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,640
is done, we will have the money.

815
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Put it on a pause on the funds or

816
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,280
» Oh, you do you guys have that budgeted?

817
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,080
» We don't have We don't need to budget

818
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,200
it, but we have funds available for when

819
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,680
that number comes.

820
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,160
» Okay.

821
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,480
» You do have extra money that you have

822
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,640
reserves, you have I mean, there's no

823
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,640
There would be no no shortage or no way

824
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,040
we would not let that money

825
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,520
happen when when we need it. So, just so

826
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,080
you know, like

827
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,240
» Oh, okay.

828
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,160
» I think having a liability having a

829
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,600
liability here won't prevent us from

830
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,200
» Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know how

831
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,000
much I mean, you got a lot of employees

832
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,840
that's expecting, so that's why I

833
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,600
brought this up. Okay. Um thank you. I

834
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,560
appreciate that. Um also,

835
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,080
I have some questions about the finance

836
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,040
department. Um how often does the

837
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,920
part-time CPA from Matt Banning, Hough,

838
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,960
and Lang actually come into the city

839
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,920
hall and work directly with the on-site

840
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,800
finance staff?

841
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,040
Do they come in a couple times a month

842
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,200
or

843
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
» A couple times a week.

844
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,600
» A couple times a week? Do you have any

845
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,639
hours or

846
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,879
» It It It varies depending on what part

847
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:12,280
of the month. At the end of the month,

848
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,720
it's a very beginning of the month, it's

849
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,159
a little bit more just cuz it's they're

850
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:17,240
balancing,

851
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,639
you know, last year's or last month's

852
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:21,520
accounts, so it it just varies.

853
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,159
» Um is Lonnie Chapman still serving as

854
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,800
the interim finance director?

855
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,800
» No.

856
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,639
» Okay, so she's not coming in at all?

857
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,639
» She is.

858
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,879
» How many hours does she come in?

859
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,679
» Again, it I mean, this is it all varies

860
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:36,159
on what what's needed.

861
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:38,399
» Okay, so you don't have a set amount?

862
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,360
Once you come in with Okay.

863
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:41,320
Um

864
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,480
Okay, I I also like clarification on

865
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,960
something. Um and I I I just heard this

866
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,320
and I just wanted to make sure that if

867
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,159
it's true.

868
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Um

869
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,000
Um

870
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,360
is it true that a significant number of

871
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,200
city checks did not clear?

872
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,840
Because it's some kind of

873
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,919
miscommunication.

874
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,720
» Yes, ma'am. Yeah, there was a there was

875
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:58,560
an account change

876
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:59,720
um

877
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,920
that

878
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:03,800
the new CPA part of the

879
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,920
just taking a look at all the accounts,

880
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,040
the new CPA was consolidating accounts

881
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,880
and and making a change on what account

882
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,960
the checks go out um and there was an

883
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,640
error released from the bank. The bank

884
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,320
still had a do not cash on that account,

885
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,840
so.

886
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,320
» Um did we get any um overdraft fees on

887
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,920
this?

888
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,440
» We have one that I know of at the

889
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,760
moment.

890
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,880
» Do you know how much that was?

891
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,960
» It was like $90.

892
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,800
» Oh, that's How many checks? I'm sorry.

893
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,560
» We had 83.

894
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,480
» 83 checks?

895
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,400
» I don't know how many

896
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,680
I mean, I'm not saying they're all

897
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,680
bounced, but that was the batch. So.

898
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,000
» The dating game? Well, you know

899
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:42,400
» [laughter]

900
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,400
» I'm trying to get answers here, Adam.

901
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,440
Okay, so all right.

902
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,360
I I mean, it to me that just reinforces

903
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,920
I in my opinion that the city needs like

904
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:54,600
a full-time in-house finance director to

905
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,760
help with that. Catch that stuff early.

906
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,760
Um

907
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,920
now I'm to the bike ordinance.

908
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,960
Okay, finally under new business,

909
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,080
tonight is the first reading of the

910
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,720
updated bike ordinance.

911
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:10,040
My biggest concern is the timing. The

912
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:12,680
revised ordinance was not uploaded until

913
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,960
around 9:30 p.m. the night before this

914
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,480
meeting. That gives residents less than

915
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,640
24 hours to read it. I understand the

916
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,440
changes and I know how it may affect

917
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,080
them and their children and that's if

918
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,680
they even know if it was posted. So,

919
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,280
wouldn't it make more sense to here we

920
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,080
public meeting where residents can ask

921
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,080
questions, raise concerns, and have a

922
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,840
real discussion before the ordinance

923
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,640
moves forward.

924
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,040
» I like to take part of this question.

925
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,240
» Okay.

926
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,400
» I posted on my personal social media.

927
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,480
We've been talking about this ordinance

928
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560
for over a year.

929
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,440
» But, you didn't have any actual

930
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,520
community input.

931
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,280
» We've been talking about this ordinance

932
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,000
for well over a year.

933
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520
We had several meetings on it. We had

934
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,960
wall labor license meetings on it.

935
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,880
» I know. I was there.

936
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,840
» When we came here one time, we came here

937
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,920
and then Michelle Knight spoke and we

938
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,720
met with Cora. And then we met with uh

939
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,880
Jason Reese, who's the chair. That was

940
00:36:57,720 --> 00:36:59,120
several months ago.

941
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,720
» Yeah.

942
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,240
» We had several meetings with him. We

943
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,200
discussed it thoroughly in the meeting 2

944
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,480
months ago. This is the first reading

945
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,920
that we have tonight. We have tonight we

946
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,800
have 30 days to discuss it. There has

947
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,760
been zero chance. As a matter of fact,

948
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,840
we put this on social media.

949
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,280
Uh Casey didn't put We were discussing

950
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,160
this 6 months ago on social media.

951
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,560
» I know. I was there.

952
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,200
» So, yeah, exactly. So, to say that

953
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,880
there's no transparency on this

954
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,120
particular issue is actually not being

955
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,440
transparent on yourself on how much

956
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,720
you've been involved in this.

957
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,760
» I'm I'm talking about community input.

958
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,840
Because when we sit in these meetings,

959
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,000
Well, because

960
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,840
what we're not seeing it, Adam. Um as a

961
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,880
community member that comes to these

962
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,280
meetings, we're sitting there during the

963
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,720
wall labor license meeting and no

964
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,800
comment is allowed. No public comment is

965
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:45,440
allowed. So, when we get to the next

966
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,720
city council meeting,

967
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
it it's like you guys were confused

968
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,960
about it. So, we don't have clarity

969
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,480
until we see that ordinance. And that

970
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,240
ordinance did not come out. The

971
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,560
revisions didn't come out till last

972
00:37:55,240 --> 00:38:00,720
night. So, no one really has the time to

973
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,440
really research it and have thoughtful

974
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:04,400
input. That's what I'm talking about.

975
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Not the people you're meeting with,

976
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,120
you know, behind the scenes. I'm talking

977
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,640
about public input that everyone can

978
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,840
hear everyone else's input.

979
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,120
» We've had several meetings on it. I

980
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,120
don't know how you guys feel about this,

981
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:17,000
but you know, you keep talking about

982
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,320
committees and you want you want

983
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,640
committees and top of committees and top

984
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,960
of committees, right? You know, but we

985
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,040
are a committee elected by the people to

986
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,760
make these decisions. And there's not

987
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,960
one person I have to respond to an email

988
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,360
about or anything about this. And I

989
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,080
don't know if we could have met any more

990
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,600
times or dragged this out any longer or

991
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,840
had any more discussion or brought it up

992
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,880
to the public any more than we already

993
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,600
have. Sometimes you just have to make a

994
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,720
decision and move on or else we If we

995
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,240
continue to operate like you want to

996
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,520
see, we'd still have dirt roads.

997
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,960
» Well, I don't even know what that's

998
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,160
supposed to mean. I'm just asking for

999
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,840
community input, an open meeting that

1000
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:51,000
allows open discussion with the whole

1001
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,120
community understanding so that they

1002
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,120
have somewhat understanding of what is

1003
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,040
in this ordinance. Like

1004
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,640
I I I read today that the other Northern

1005
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:01,200
Kentucky cities are working through

1006
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,960
these same issues. So, Fort Mitchell,

1007
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,440
for example, is taking a different

1008
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,600
approach by distinguishing between the

1009
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,760
different classes of e-bikes and

1010
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,680
focusing its proposed sidewalk

1011
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,920
restrictions on the faster class three

1012
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,240
e-bikes.

1013
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,440
Okay?

1014
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:18,640
So, maybe our proposed ordinance does

1015
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,640
not distinguish between class one, class

1016
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,120
two, and class three e-bikes at all. It

1017
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,800
uses one general definition for e-bikes

1018
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,040
and applies the same sidewalk

1019
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,960
restrictions to all of them while the

1020
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:33,040
motor is engaged. I'm not saying Fort

1021
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,320
Thomas needs to do exactly what Fort

1022
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,720
Mitchell is doing, but I do think it

1023
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,920
shows there are other different ways to

1024
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:42,760
approach this. That's all. And I do

1025
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:45,280
believe community input would be an open

1026
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,040
community discussion where everyone's

1027
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,080
hearing their feedback would be

1028
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,840
tremendously helpful for everybody.

1029
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Especially that I don't understand this.

1030
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,600
I mean, I've read through this till 3:00

1031
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:58,600
in the morning and I respectfully have

1032
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:00,160
more questions about this, but

1033
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,040
I just thought I think it should just be

1034
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,480
an open meeting where people can come up

1035
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,680
and open discuss, you know, their

1036
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,520
concerns like this that lady ahead of

1037
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,880
me. It's just like this is our only time

1038
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,520
and a lot of people don't even know

1039
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,480
we're discussing this if we're just

1040
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,840
getting the ordinance the night before.

1041
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
So.

1042
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,480
» I'm I'm sure that the

1043
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,600
This is in old business for the last

1044
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,200
several months if I'm not mistaken.

1045
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,920
Yeah, and we find the opportunity to

1046
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,720
have a discussion about it.

1047
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,960
» Sharon, we did we discussed the multi

1048
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,360
classes we

1049
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,240
two three months ago we decided to go

1050
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,360
get a different direction. This

1051
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,280
ordinance was posted at the last law

1052
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,640
labor and license just like this. All

1053
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,280
the changes that were discussed at the

1054
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,360
law labor license are what's in here.

1055
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,480
And I know it didn't get out to the

1056
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,360
public till

1057
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
till Sunday.

1058
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,440
» We made all the changes that were

1059
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,280
discussed in law labor license. The only

1060
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,600
the only update that wasn't in that was

1061
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,160
one that been brought up on Sunday.

1062
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:57,240
Um and I had them make it the change was

1063
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,800
we didn't include scooters for lights.

1064
00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,040
But other than that, this is everything

1065
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,520
that was discussed last month.

1066
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,880
All the changes and then everything that

1067
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:09,000
was discussed the month before. So it's

1068
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,960
I I get that this took a a lot and even

1069
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,240
today we made changes but we found I

1070
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,880
found more stuff but I think we've we've

1071
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,440
discussed it.

1072
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,840
» Concerns with it that you want

1073
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,200
» Yeah, I'll email

1074
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,400
it to you cuz I have a list that

1075
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,120
» It's 30 days to get it back.

1076
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:24,200
» Meet with me that way we can kind of go

1077
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,920
through this page by page and I'll I'll

1078
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
kind of give you the back story of what

1079
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,560
was discussed.

1080
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,720
» Yeah, that's what I was about to say is

1081
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,040
that

1082
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:33,320
» I think the key to remember is it's the

1083
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,920
first reading. So once council elects

1084
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,160
the first reading then you have

1085
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,720
something that's there. And if they were

1086
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,120
to choose to change it a major change

1087
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,480
actually just happened. We'd have to go

1088
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,400
back. Right. So I think that what I

1089
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,800
understand what you're saying is I would

1090
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,440
take the opposite approach when

1091
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,840
there's 48 suggestions coming in at some

1092
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,920
point you have to corral it, put it in a

1093
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,360
document, say here it is,

1094
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,120
then that's the time for the community

1095
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,920
engagement because at that point the

1096
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,760
proposed rules are in place and

1097
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,080
that's the best time for discussion.

1098
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,880
What Adam's point to is

1099
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,720
how we got to get the first

1100
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,320
» Yeah, we actually did a first reading

1101
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,960
and then we talked to the town, we

1102
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,640
talked to the community, brought them

1103
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,160
into it and put another three months or

1104
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,600
four months onto it before we actually

1105
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,360
made a decision. So, we actually did a

1106
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,720
first reading on my ordinance. Did the

1107
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,560
exact same thing, took it off the table

1108
00:42:23,720 --> 00:42:27,160
and came back with this one.

1109
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,360
So, I mean, we are doing everything

1110
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,160
you're asking us to do.

1111
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,200
» Uh and the first reading process is by

1112
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,520
law

1113
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,840
for transparency. It's for the public to

1114
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,240
know because they basically tell

1115
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,640
government, local government, if you're

1116
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,800
going to take and enact a law, you got

1117
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,480
to first give the world notice so the

1118
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,960
city has notice that you're proposing to

1119
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,960
change a law. It's not it it's not like

1120
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,080
somebody just throwing it on here

1121
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,760
tonight. Uh Mayor Spondin, Jim Smith to

1122
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,000
planning and zoning board.

1123
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,680
You know, it's the mercy of you might

1124
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,560
put it on there that night. Maybe you'll

1125
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,200
give notice, maybe you won't. When it's

1126
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,840
an ordinance, it's a specific provision

1127
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,360
that provides that you have to have a

1128
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,720
first reading so the world knows, "Hey,

1129
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,400
there's a chance this council may adopt

1130
00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:11,360
this legislation."

1131
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,680
That's when you want to bring in your

1132
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,360
community and engage them.

1133
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,840
» Sharon,

1134
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,200
every time you email me, I responded,

1135
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,800
right? In detail?

1136
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,920
» Yeah, but

1137
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,320
» And every time you've asked me to meet

1138
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,600
with you, I've met with you. I've met

1139
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,360
with you at your pool, right? Every

1140
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,720
single time.

1141
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,840
» Yeah, but

1142
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,800
» And then this particular time we had a

1143
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,240
first reading, we pulled it back off, we

1144
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,240
did everything you're asking.

1145
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,120
» But you didn't have a public discussion.

1146
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,000
You guys have discussions behind the

1147
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,040
scenes with each other, but we don't see

1148
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,720
it. We don't see it updated on the the

1149
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,680
website. We don't see it discussed with

1150
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:40,400
us because this is our only chance to

1151
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,240
talk. And I'm just telling you as a

1152
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,840
community member, my point of view.

1153
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,880
That's all I'm giving you. We truly I

1154
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,240
truly don't understand this

1155
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,600
uh ordinance clearly and I will email

1156
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:55,000
you my questions cuz I do have them. And

1157
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,520
and some people respond, some don't. So,

1158
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,280
that's why I get up here and I ask my

1159
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,400
questions for clarity. That's it. Cuz I

1160
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,400
want to understand this cuz I have a I

1161
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,800
have family members that are having kids

1162
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,280
coming from the South Bend on electric

1163
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,440
scooters. They're 12 years old. Coming

1164
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,280
in the middle school now. And and

1165
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,760
they're not aware of all this going on.

1166
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,280
I'm just saying the outreach needs to be

1167
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,400
better. School starting tomorrow and it

1168
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,000
does affect a lot of people. So

1169
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,200
» We have we have been discussing it with

1170
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,760
Zach our SRO several times. Casey's

1171
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,400
discussed it with him. They're going to

1172
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,800
do classes for the grade schools more

1173
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,000
than one time.

1174
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,040
» Well, I think that's fantastic.

1175
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,320
» I've been telling them

1176
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,440
the results in these meetings for the

1177
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,040
last year and a half.

1178
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
» I've been here, sweetie. I just haven't

1179
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,440
heard all the open public input. That's

1180
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,200
all I'm saying. But thanks for your

1181
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
time.

1182
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,800
» To this point because of the

1183
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,720
public input.

1184
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Just so you know.

1185
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,800
» All right. Thank you. You guys have a

1186
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,800
good evening.

1187
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,680
» Melanie Powers, please.

1188
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:08,920
» Hello, Melanie Powers. Uh 13 Pearson.

1189
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,280
Um

1190
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,760
I hope that I'm not missing something. I

1191
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,661
tried to read the new bike ordinance

1192
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,920
last night. I fell asleep.

1193
00:45:15,661 --> 00:45:17,680
» [clears throat]

1194
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
» So uh

1195
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,800
What I wanted to

1196
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,640
» I did to go to sleep last night.

1197
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,480
» It's It's very um calming.

1198
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,960
Uh

1199
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,320
especially if you're not an attorney. Um

1200
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,640
I wanted to speak though. I asked

1201
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,840
someone with a medical background cuz I

1202
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,840
know there's

1203
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,000
no one on council. I know Jason very

1204
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,160
well.

1205
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,960
Um I know Michelle a little bit. Uh

1206
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:46,120
they're not medical people either.

1207
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,760
And that's uh my disappointment that

1208
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,400
uh

1209
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,120
helmets were not required.

1210
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Uh

1211
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,800
I can tell you that having an accident

1212
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,440
on a bicycle

1213
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:04,640
for a wonderful little child going even

1214
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:08,120
15 let alone 20 miles, against the car

1215
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,080
is not going to be a good outcome. And

1216
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,400
traumatic brain injury

1217
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:17,800
is a life long thing

1218
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:20,880
even if you survive the accident. So,

1219
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,720
I would very very strongly like all of

1220
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,800
you to please reconsider that.

1221
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:28,560
I know some people are concerned about

1222
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,520
parental rights, but there are many many

1223
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,480
other areas in government where we have

1224
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,960
laws protecting children

1225
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,200
that

1226
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,840
one could say goes against the parental

1227
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:43,800
right. And I'm old enough to remember

1228
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:47,360
when infant seats and putting kids in

1229
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,680
booster seats caused some controversy on

1230
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,240
many different

1231
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,320
levels. People said, "Well, that's

1232
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:56,280
unfair. I can't afford it. Yadadadada."

1233
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,800
You might have heard of those.

1234
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:04,360
But now no one thinks anything of it.

1235
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:08,120
Um so, I think that it's very important

1236
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:10,200
that we do have protection for children.

1237
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,680
And a helmet is such a simple thing.

1238
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,600
It's not a big thing. There are even

1239
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,760
ways that people who truly can't afford

1240
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,840
it to get helmets.

1241
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,960
So, I would like you please for the

1242
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,720
safety of children to reconsider that

1243
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,320
and have that be part of the ordinance

1244
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,320
at least up to, you know, it can be 16

1245
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,440
or 18. I'll leave that to you to hash

1246
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,480
out. But please reconsider that. Thank

1247
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,120
you.

1248
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,880
» I'm a big fan of helmets, you know.

1249
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,040
» I'm sorry, Adam.

1250
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,360
» No, no.

1251
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,120
» I just wanted to comment real quick.

1252
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Very great comment. This is something we

1253
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,960
had talked about with the helmets.

1254
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,720
Um

1255
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,080
for me at least personally, I'm sure

1256
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:48,640
we'll have more conversation between the

1257
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,040
first reading tonight and 30, you know,

1258
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,320
next month

1259
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,360
because it's a huge it's a huge topic.

1260
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,640
Um what can the city do?

1261
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,600
You know, I really think um

1262
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,280
we have to be careful about making this

1263
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,240
a realistic law so that it can be

1264
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,400
enforced. And a concern that I had with

1265
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:07,320
helmets was

1266
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:10,120
let's say that you say that 18 up to 18

1267
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,960
years old you have to wear a helmet.

1268
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,360
I can't tell how old some of these

1269
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,680
children are, um, when they're going

1270
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,320
down the street or the sidewalk. It's

1271
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,920
very difficult. That is not to diminish

1272
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,920
the importance of helmets. I think if

1273
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,240
the city can, um, support programs that

1274
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,520
provide helmets, for example, uh, that

1275
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:28,280
would be a great opportunity for us. I'm

1276
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,200
not worried about infringing on parental

1277
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,880
rights. Uh, in fact, it's kind of the

1278
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,280
opposite. I feel like

1279
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,880
as a parent myself, it's there has to be

1280
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,960
personal responsibility in this. The

1281
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,720
city

1282
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,000
we can do the best we can to create laws

1283
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,440
and pass laws that protect people, but

1284
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,000
it's not foolproof. And there has to be

1285
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,320
personal responsibility. I, you know,

1286
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,000
again, as a parent, I would encourage,

1287
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,200
if not enforce, that my children wear

1288
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,520
helmets at all times. And if they don't,

1289
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,240
they're they're going to pay a price for

1290
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,760
that. Um, and so we just it needs to be

1291
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:01,000
a partnership amongst everybody, whether

1292
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,080
it's helping with, you know, folks who

1293
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,240
don't have helmets, finding

1294
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,720
opportunities for them them to get them,

1295
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,000
whether it's education like Adam

1296
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:09,440
mentioned. Um, there there are smaller

1297
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,240
alternatives. I think so. Your comments

1298
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,400
are very very well taken because we we

1299
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,720
thought about including the helmet

1300
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,080
language, uh, you know, requiring helmet

1301
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,160
use, but it's very difficult in in

1302
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,680
reality to enforce that.

1303
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,600
Um, so again, I ask for, uh, partnership

1304
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:28,080
with the parents and we have it in 99.9

1305
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,640
even cases probably, but,

1306
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,480
um,

1307
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,200
you know, we

1308
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:35,720
» Well, I see though, it, um, in living in

1309
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,800
Taylor Park,

1310
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:42,080
you know, you see a lot of kids, plus

1311
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:44,000
I'm retired, so I'm out and about. Um,

1312
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,000
there's a significant number of children

1313
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,080
that aren't wearing helmets.

1314
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,040
And I often will just

1315
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,680
do my old lady privilege

1316
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,640
and talk to them about it.

1317
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,400
Um it goes over well sometimes,

1318
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,480
sometimes not.

1319
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,960
But they're they're children. They're

1320
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,360
they're too young. They can't, you know,

1321
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,800
process information like that. It's the

1322
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,320
parents.

1323
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,920
And um I know from doing a little bit of

1324
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,320
research

1325
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,520
that

1326
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,440
most cities do include mandatory helmet

1327
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,640
use in their ordinance.

1328
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,120
» You said most cities do?

1329
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,040
» Yeah.

1330
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,840
And in fact, where I lived in the Bay

1331
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Area,

1332
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:29,720
prior to e-bikes, just you couldn't even

1333
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,280
ride a bicycle up to the age of 16

1334
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,840
without a helmet.

1335
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:36,280
And

1336
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,320
I never thought about enforcement

1337
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,760
because it was kind of part of the

1338
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,360
culture there in Palo Alto as well as

1339
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,760
Los Altos when I lived there.

1340
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,840
So,

1341
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,440
I guess um somebody could find that out

1342
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,200
about how it was enforced. And I think

1343
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,360
if you want to err on the side of your

1344
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,920
concern about how old are they,

1345
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,240
16 looks pretty young.

1346
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,680
And I don't think

1347
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:07,680
people riding e-bikes the way that we

1348
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:09,080
see children doing it around town.

1349
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,160
I don't think we're going to see many

1350
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,840
people 18 and older.

1351
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,840
They're usually on motorcycles.

1352
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,120
But um

1353
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:21,120
I think

1354
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:23,040
to err on the side of caution in this

1355
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,200
situation

1356
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,000
is imperative.

1357
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,680
But thank thank you for

1358
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,440
» Thank you.

1359
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,000
» You're

1360
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,200
hearing your time.

1361
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,840
» Yeah, well, these are the types of

1362
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,720
comments and feedback that we greatly

1363
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,360
appreciate. And and as Mr. City Attorney

1364
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:38,000
mentioned, it's, you know, we have a

1365
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,160
first reading and we take these comments

1366
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,160
and we've got 30 days. We're going to

1367
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,240
have this conversation between now and

1368
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,920
the second reading again.

1369
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,400
» Do you remember when the two two

1370
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,320
adorable, I want to say little boys, but

1371
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,920
I think they were in high school.

1372
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,320
They're little to me. They came in and

1373
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,200
they were speaking about e-bikes. Do you

1374
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:53,840
remember that?

1375
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,200
» Oh, yeah.

1376
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:59,960
» And I remember I if it was you or Lauren

1377
00:51:56,200 --> 00:52:01,800
someone asked them um how they felt

1378
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,760
about helmets and they both said, "Oh,

1379
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:06,840
yes, we think helmets should be

1380
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,880
required." And I was so pleased by that

1381
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,480
that the

1382
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,560
the kids

1383
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,120
felt it was important too. But anyway,

1384
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,160
if you just keep that in mind.

1385
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,840
» Yeah, I'm a I'm a big

1386
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,680
» Again, as as a person with medical

1387
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,240
background.

1388
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,440
» I'm a I'm a big believer in helmets. I

1389
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,600
would fall

1390
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,400
and I

1391
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,400
when we when it came to this, I mean, I

1392
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Lauren met with Jason from Cora,

1393
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,440
um Michelle Knight and there does have

1394
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,760
to be some parent response to whatever

1395
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,720
it comes to these types of things, you

1396
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,600
know.

1397
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:36,640
Um I still think we should have helmets.

1398
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,120
Uh there's six of us up here and we had

1399
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,400
to take a law that didn't even allow

1400
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,280
bikes to be on sidewalks in the late

1401
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,760
'90s and I'm updated. So, this is

1402
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,840
actually a better version of what it was

1403
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,320
and um there's a lot of discretion in

1404
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,080
what we do. So, I know that when uh

1405
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,280
Shannon spoke earlier um that I don't

1406
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,160
want people to think that we're going to

1407
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,720
go out there and be just yanking people

1408
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,120
off sidewalks, you know what I mean with

1409
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,080
with it comes to these scooters or

1410
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,120
e-bikes.

1411
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,320
» You a question?

1412
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,681
Not to interrupt, but

1413
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,360
» Not to interrupt, but let me interrupt.

1414
00:53:02,681 --> 00:53:05,040
» [laughter]

1415
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,520
» Well,

1416
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,240
it's

1417
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,400
» I I I it's just something that we came

1418
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:09,920
to and I think that we were trying to

1419
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,600
get a base for an ordinance and I think

1420
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:14,280
that we can evaluate and and grow from

1421
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,800
where it is right now. I think we did a

1422
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
very good job of connecting with a lot

1423
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,280
of people in the community to get to

1424
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,760
this point. I would prefer helmets. I I

1425
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,880
mean, I printed up a a USA Today um

1426
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,840
article that came out on July 29th of

1427
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,680
this year that says, you know, we're up

1428
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,520
671% children and adolescents and most

1429
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,920
of it is neck and head. So, and

1430
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,000
motorcycles in the state of Kentucky are

1431
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,120
um required until you're 20 years old

1432
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,920
and required to wear a seat belt for

1433
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,680
that reason. So, I'd like to see it. I

1434
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,400
do understand um other people's concerns

1435
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,400
and right now what my concern is to get

1436
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,560
started on this and move forward so that

1437
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,040
we can pick a direction and then revisit

1438
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,080
it if we need to. That's how I feel

1439
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,960
about it, at least here. I mean, we

1440
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,960
can't always agree with I think we did a

1441
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,840
really nice job on this.

1442
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,840
» Chief Kilgore, can I ask you your

1443
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,760
opinion?

1444
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,080
» Sure. I don't want us passing anything

1445
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,480
that people really don't want to see

1446
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,040
enforced by police.

1447
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
So, you say helmets are a good idea, and

1448
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,760
everyone agrees with you they are, but

1449
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,680
if it's a city ordinance and people

1450
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,040
aren't doing it, we're going to be

1451
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,000
called upon to go out and stop children

1452
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,000
and tell them they have to put on a

1453
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,400
helmet or else they're going to get a

1454
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,280
ticket, or be driven home to a parent

1455
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,480
and the parent will get a ticket. That

1456
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,680
is a big difference than just education,

1457
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,200
passing out free helmets, teaching in

1458
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,200
schools, reminding people it's a good

1459
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,440
idea.

1460
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Making it a city ordinance will

1461
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,480
eventually lead to police having to go

1462
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,800
out and enforce it. And the other

1463
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,520
changes that are in here are already

1464
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,080
going to come back to the police

1465
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,080
enforcing it in some some manner

1466
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,080
eventually, so.

1467
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,320
Do you think police should stop kids on

1468
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,520
bikes and tell them they have to wear a

1469
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,200
helmet or get a ticket?

1470
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,320
That's what we're talking about.

1471
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:47,080
» Right. I was Well, you you you're the

1472
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,960
expert in that, so I was wondering what

1473
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:53,240
your opinion I mean, yeah, I I think it

1474
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,560
should happen in a non-punitive, gradual

1475
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:57,720
way.

1476
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:01,280
And the point is to not to fine parents

1477
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:02,840
money unless it's repetitive.

1478
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,920
Um,

1479
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,080
again, I never gave it a whole lot of

1480
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,360
thought in the cities where I lived when

1481
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,800
I was raising my children

1482
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,480
because it was the law, and so people

1483
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,160
just followed it.

1484
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,040
Um,

1485
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,360
I

1486
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,560
it was rare to to to see a kid without

1487
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,960
it. It usually would be the kind of

1488
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,120
thing where it was hanging on the front

1489
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,840
of their the bike handle, you know.

1490
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:29,080
Um, but usually people just did it. So,

1491
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,160
what happened if a kid didn't have one

1492
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,080
on? I honestly don't know.

1493
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,360
And I know that you you have a certain

1494
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,760
number of officers on duty in the day,

1495
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,600
and then you have to take them away for

1496
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:43,360
that. But, would it really be that big

1497
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,600
of a hassle after a certain kind of

1498
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:49,480
learning curve, you know, big bump up?

1499
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,920
I don't know. That's why I ask you.

1500
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,400
» Yeah, I don't know if it's the hassle. I

1501
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,760
think it's the idea of a police officer

1502
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,680
showing up,

1503
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,960
stopping a child on a bike physically,

1504
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,440
telling them they have to wear a helmet

1505
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,640
or else they will get a ticket or their

1506
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,720
parent will.

1507
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,880
» I think it would make a big impression.

1508
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,040
» The same that we're going to get into

1509
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,640
with the other changes that are going to

1510
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,840
go through that that are impactful. If

1511
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,040
you read it,

1512
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,360
there's I think at least three that are

1513
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,400
going to be a big change for us.

1514
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,400
» Right. Right.

1515
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,120
Well,

1516
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,640
thank you for that.

1517
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,480
» Sure.

1518
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,000
» Anyway, um

1519
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,320
that's all I had to say to you. Any

1520
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,320
questions?

1521
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,600
» No, I I agree with you. We had those two

1522
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,760
younger boys who came up here. It's

1523
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,880
great to see the youth excited about

1524
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,800
wearing helmets. I mean, I remember

1525
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,040
30-plus years ago when I was a kid and a

1526
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,400
lot of miles up here. I don't remember

1527
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,280
me going up and down the street prior on

1528
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:42,480
my bike or rollerblades. But, I I had

1529
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,760
required me to wear a helmet, and just

1530
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,600
so happened that all my other friends'

1531
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,200
parents required them to wear a helmet.

1532
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,080
And we thought it was really cool to get

1533
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,560
stickers, and whoever had the coolest

1534
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,800
stickers on their helmet it was a it was

1535
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:56,560
a status symbol. It was fun. Um so,

1536
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,120
that's what you want is for the youth to

1537
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,280
not just because it's safe and it's the

1538
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,120
right thing to do, but

1539
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,080
» It's the culture.

1540
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,440
» To Yeah, to encourage wearing helmets,

1541
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,440
right.

1542
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,160
» And I think um police would be a big

1543
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,200
help, just like

1544
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,480
when we first, again, I'm old enough to

1545
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,240
remember

1546
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:16,440
when seatbelts were required, and it

1547
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,160
wasn't illegal to ride around in your

1548
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,880
car without them.

1549
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,880
And then you had to wear seatbelts, and

1550
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,880
there was that little learning curve,

1551
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:28,480
and the police were very helpful about

1552
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:30,480
that because they'd stop pull you over.

1553
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,320
Um and I predict it'll will the same

1554
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,200
thing with cell phones, you know,

1555
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,040
hands-free driving.

1556
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,920
Um

1557
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,520
So, thanks again, gentlemen. For the

1558
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,400
record, I'm a

1559
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,320
» For the record, I'm a fan of helmets as

1560
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,960
well.

1561
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Uh however, it was one of the last

1562
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,440
things we discussed relative to removing

1563
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,800
that. And I would defer to the chief

1564
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,240
relative to enforceability on all of it,

1565
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,320
and he's already met with a lot of

1566
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,760
challenges here relative to the changes

1567
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,240
that we're making.

1568
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,560
And if I felt like he was on board and

1569
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,160
his entire

1570
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,760
force was on board with the helmets,

1571
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,880
then I would absolutely go for it, but

1572
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:08,240
we're trying to I think it's imperative

1573
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,720
that we put a balance in this

1574
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,520
in this amendment that

1575
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,320
the chief can enforce and that also is

1576
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,400
workable for

1577
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,080
the city as best we can. As Ben said

1578
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,920
previously, there's no silver bullet on

1579
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,080
this thing.

1580
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,920
» I agree.

1581
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,520
Again, as a medical person, I would just

1582
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,480
remind you

1583
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:28,200
that

1584
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:31,040
once traumatic brain injury, or even

1585
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,840
something less than that, happens,

1586
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,560
it's permanent.

1587
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,160
You can't take it away.

1588
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,360
It's not as if, well, I caught you

1589
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,200
riding on the sidewalk and you're not

1590
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:45,040
supposed to be [clears throat] there.

1591
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:46,520
And then, so the person goes back in

1592
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,680
to the

1593
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,640
designated lane.

1594
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,080
Um it's irretrievable.

1595
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,520
And it's

1596
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:58,240
it's called traumatic for a reason.

1597
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,240
» Thank you very much.

1598
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,120
All right, um next up

1599
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
» How do you feel about

1600
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,760
» I'm blessed.

1601
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,720
» All right, Daddy.

1602
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,960
Um I I want to revert back to anybody

1603
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,120
that has any questions about this.

1604
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,960
Obviously, there was a couple of guys

1605
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,640
here that have spoken. I have my cards

1606
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:15,640
up here. It's our first initial and a

1607
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:18,400
last name at forthomas.ftthomas.org.

1608
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,120
Um so, nothing is set in stone.

1609
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,640
Um

1610
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,880
like I said before, this was voted on

1611
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,320
once. We

1612
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,120
and then we we pulled it back off

1613
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,600
because we had concerns, and then had

1614
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,800
three or four more months of outreach

1615
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,120
the consumers citizens about this. So,

1616
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,440
Shannon, if you'd like to reach out

1617
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,520
again or anybody would like to reach out

1618
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,560
about this, please reach out to us and

1619
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,800
we can make adjustments by the time

1620
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,000
uh if they're not significant, but if

1621
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,080
they are, we'll

1622
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,080
do what we need to do. So, thank you.

1623
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,640
And

1624
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,000
uh uh reports from officers, fire

1625
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:51,720
department chief.

1626
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,960
» Good evening Mayor and the council. Uh

1627
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,680
well, in my report is a little bit of

1628
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,120
recap on the storm that we had last

1629
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,960
Tuesday.

1630
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,080
Uh when it came through

1631
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:03,160
uh for the next several hours, we had

1632
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,240
about 18 calls for service.

1633
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,960
Uh I would say that by and large, we

1634
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:09,160
dodged a bullet as far as major property

1635
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,320
damage occurred in the city.

1636
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,120
Uh most of that was two cars. We had a

1637
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,240
couple trees that were blocking the

1638
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,760
cars.

1639
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,560
Uh we're going to tie them over over the

1640
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,160
top of the cars. Uh the power outages

1641
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:23,320
were a challenge. Um we had crews

1642
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,840
There's four crews that we went out and

1643
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,480
ensured safety of the power lines and

1644
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,800
stuff and things like that. Um I do know

1645
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,880
that we kind of took a little bit of a

1646
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,520
hit on social media saying the fire

1647
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:35,440
department was doing things watching it

1648
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,640
and we we take a defensive approach on

1649
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,240
live wires and just making sure things

1650
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:41,560
don't, you know, catch on fire around

1651
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,600
it. So, I just want to clarify that, but

1652
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,040
uh the the fellows were quite busy on

1653
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,440
that, so.

1654
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,120
Uh then that's all I had to add and

1655
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,440
take any questions you might have.

1656
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,560
Any questions?

1657
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000
» Just Just a big thank you.

1658
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,760
» Big thank you for understanding.

1659
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,440
» Yeah.

1660
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,480
» General services, too.

1661
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,880
» Oh, general services. They did a really

1662
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,720
good job.

1663
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,000
» They did good. Are you going to call

1664
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,400
back in for that, so.

1665
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,360
» Motion to receive file.

1666
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,240
» Somebody

1667
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,662
» Yeah, I'll make a motion to receive

1668
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,840
file.

1669
01:01:10,662 --> 01:01:13,200
» [clears throat]

1670
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,080
» Second.

1671
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,520
» All those in favor?

1672
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:14,760
» Aye.

1673
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:15,480
» Aye.

1674
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,600
» Aye.

1675
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,680
» Opposed?

1676
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,120
» All right. Um police chief, your report,

1677
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,040
please.

1678
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,160
» Thank you.

1679
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,200
Uh my additions tonight [clears throat]

1680
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,400
are all personnel. Sergeant Deters

1681
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,240
retired July 31st after 21 years of

1682
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,240
service as a police officer. All 21

1683
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,680
years were here in Fort Thomas.

1684
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Um with him creating the vacancy, we

1685
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:37,080
still had a list that was active with a

1686
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,720
qualified candidate. We hired Zach Vance

1687
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,080
on August 3rd and he's currently in

1688
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,360
training and doing well. Uh we'll try to

1689
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,880
get him up for an introduction at

1690
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,040
council as soon as we can, uh schedule

1691
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,680
permitting. Uh we also have another

1692
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,800
retirement that is coming up at the end

1693
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,440
of August. Detective Frank Vance is

1694
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:55,600
retiring from Fort Thomas on August

1695
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:57,880
28th. Uh he has 22 and 1/2 years in

1696
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,040
policing with the last six being here in

1697
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,960
Fort Thomas. So, we wish him well in

1698
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,840
whatever comes next for him.

1699
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,720
And the last personnel that we have all

1700
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,920
of our SRO applications, the deadline

1701
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,600
has passed, we have all those apps in

1702
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,200
and we're looking to schedule interviews

1703
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,560
soon to interview the candidates for the

1704
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,160
position.

1705
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:17,520
That's all I have for my report.

1706
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,520
Questions?

1707
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:23,040
» Who proceeds following?

1708
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,280
» I can second.

1709
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,000
» All those in favor?

1710
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,800
» I. I.

1711
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,600
» I second.

1712
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,600
» I have a question, too.

1713
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,120
» All right, uh there's no reports from

1714
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,280
any committees at this point and then we

1715
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,440
have old business.

1716
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,080
» You want me to talk?

1717
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,360
» Oh, yeah.

1718
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,240
» I'm really.

1719
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,960
» I'm the fastest.

1720
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,480
» I'm fine with that.

1721
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:44,040
» I checked the box below and already have

1722
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,040
already ended it.

1723
01:02:44,328 --> 01:02:47,160
» [clears throat]

1724
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,800
» Yeah, so uh just for the projects we

1725
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:51,880
have going on right now, we do have our

1726
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,440
last year's street program.

1727
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:57,560
Uh Carmel Manor was milled and repaved

1728
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,560
uh this last week. Hollywood's and

1729
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,360
Pleasant uh have both been milled and

1730
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,400
we're waiting for the weather to improve

1731
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:06,080
to um

1732
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,200
lay the the asphalt for those and then

1733
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:10,000
last year's street program will be

1734
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,600
complete. Um the water district is done

1735
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,960
with Sadie, Dixie, and Hartwig, so we

1736
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,520
are moving forward with that.

1737
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,320
Um those are all full full

1738
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,960
reconstruction of those three streets.

1739
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,440
That's a big project.

1740
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,880
Um, Highland Park turnaround is still in

1741
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,240
progress.

1742
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,320
Uh, the tennis courts is still in

1743
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:30,833
progress. Um, we're again we're waiting

1744
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,080
for weather to be able to

1745
01:03:30,833 --> 01:03:34,280
» [clears throat]

1746
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:36,640
» Uh paint both the lower and the upper

1747
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:39,200
uh courts.

1748
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,640
And

1749
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,160
the weather we we talked a little bit

1750
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,800
about the weather. That was a um

1751
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,520
For me it was quick. realize that that

1752
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,720
was happening. Of course I was in a

1753
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:53,080
meeting um in Covington City building.

1754
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,720
Uh, but luckily we have excellent staff

1755
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,320
here and um

1756
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,920
we had uh

1757
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Chris take over

1758
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:05,000
and give me updates while I was bunkered

1759
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,880
there um and then, you know, everybody

1760
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,280
got called back in. Public Works was

1761
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,440
just released probably 30 minutes before

1762
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,720
that and Public Works got called back in

1763
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,240
and uh as you can see on a lot of

1764
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,160
Facebook comments they they got to work

1765
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,920
very quickly. So they did a a fantastic

1766
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:20,960
job. Of course Fire and PD did a great

1767
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:24,000
job managing that. Um,

1768
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,440
just for for future the city is on does

1769
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,400
have a generator. City building has a

1770
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:30,440
generator and we rarely lose any power

1771
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,840
from the armory and the mess hall. Um,

1772
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,880
so we did use this building for people

1773
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,640
to come up and some people did some work

1774
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,720
up here, had free Wi-Fi and um were able

1775
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:41,760
to charge their cell phones. So pass

1776
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,320
that around if that ever happens. We

1777
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,080
even though our

1778
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,240
expensive generator didn't kick on and

1779
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:50,720
we had to manually start it. Um, Brandon

1780
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:53,200
is the couple with that. Um, but uh we

1781
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,160
we did have that started. Additionally,

1782
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,680
council approved us to put a separate

1783
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,320
generator on the gas pumps which was not

1784
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:03,000
included in the project. Um, and that

1785
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:05,120
was completed um probably 3 6 months ago

1786
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,440
and that worked perfectly. Cuz that was

1787
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,040
the whole point of doing that is when

1788
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,440
you get in these situations we have our

1789
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,560
own pumps and that's one of the

1790
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,120
beautiful things about having our own

1791
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,160
pumps is is we don't have to go find

1792
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:18,160
another city that has power.

1793
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:20,200
Um so, that generator worked perfectly.

1794
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,920
Um so, just it was a it was a great team

1795
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,520
effort and it was a good a good um

1796
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,120
training and something else for us, but

1797
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,320
obviously we had a lot of issues with

1798
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:31,160
people getting power on. Um and I do

1799
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,400
like to remind um the citizens that to

1800
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,600
let us know if you're still without

1801
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:36,160
power. Um if it's been, you know,

1802
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,120
generally I'd say if it's been over 4

1803
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:41,920
hours, but I know we had a lot of 24 to

1804
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:43,800
probably 96 hours uh this week, but um

1805
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,080
don't be afraid. I As soon as that

1806
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:47,360
happened, I communicate with our

1807
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,040
government rep with Duke, and we give

1808
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:51,400
them a priority list of what we want

1809
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,040
cleaned up. That was a lot this time. Um

1810
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,200
so, the more information we have,

1811
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,840
especially a couple days later, we may

1812
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,480
already know that that's without power,

1813
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,400
but it's very helpful that that I can

1814
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:03,720
just reiterate and and help move that

1815
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,560
along. So, um please reach out for that.

1816
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,880
Um

1817
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:10,320
grant, we did get approved uh at the end

1818
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:13,320
of last month for the trail grant. So,

1819
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,440
that's $250,000 we got approved. And

1820
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,200
I'll be working through that huge list

1821
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,080
of things I need to do for the next step

1822
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,200
of that. So, I don't have a lot to

1823
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,080
explain to council right now, but I'll

1824
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,240
once I get all this together, I'll I'll

1825
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,920
let you know, but that's something we

1826
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,520
had talked about. We actually pulled

1827
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,640
from the budget the 300,000 from the

1828
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,800
budget until contingent upon that. So,

1829
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,360
once I get the full

1830
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,960
um information on this, I'll I'll send

1831
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:39,200
it out to council, but that was another

1832
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:41,280
another good thing that um

1833
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,840
money we got to support the parks.

1834
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:48,160
» That's a very big deal, man. Thank you.

1835
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:49,240
» It is. It is. Um so, we do

1836
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,280
I know we'll talk about a couple of

1837
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,400
other meetings. We do have a meeting on

1838
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,360
the 8th of September, just so council

1839
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,040
remembers, that's the past first

1840
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,760
reading. It's a public hearing and first

1841
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:02,760
reading of next rate.

1842
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:05,320
Um so, we finished calculating that

1843
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,520
Friday, and um

1844
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,840
I still haven't met with the with the

1845
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,640
mayor to to go over that and then we'll

1846
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,120
we'll have that sent out as our

1847
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,680
ordinance in the public hearing. So just

1848
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,880
so everybody has that on their calendar.

1849
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,440
Pending any of those questions that's

1850
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,600
all I have.

1851
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:22,200
» On the street resurfacing, are we doing

1852
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,440
borings on all the streets now before we

1853
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,800
resurface them? Are we doing borings?

1854
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,480
» We have not. No.

1855
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:28,440
» Are we doing borings on streets that we

1856
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,920
think may be compromised with underlying

1857
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,880
issues?

1858
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,080
» Yeah, we talked about that. Um probably

1859
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,480
the reason we didn't do it this year is

1860
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,240
cuz we're doing board construction

1861
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,160
anyway. So that's probably why we didn't

1862
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:39,280
do it this year. Um but next year's

1863
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,280
program we can talk about that.

1864
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,240
» Is that some of these streets are

1865
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,760
getting resurfaced and then just one or

1866
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,720
two years later they're having

1867
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,080
significant deterioration. My

1868
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,680
understanding is there's underlying

1869
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,680
issues there.

1870
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,680
We got to make sure that

1871
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,360
» We we can um but understanding that

1872
01:07:54,680 --> 01:08:00,560
boring is

1873
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:02,320
you know, is just one hole every

1874
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,080
you know, 50 ft.

1875
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,160
So we can absolutely do that but again,

1876
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,320
don't I just don't want council to think

1877
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,640
that that's you know, it's not [snorts]

1878
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,120
going to happen still, right? But it is

1879
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,800
there there's value in that and we'll

1880
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,640
talk about that for the next street

1881
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,920
program, for sure.

1882
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,520
» Yeah, I think we really need to address

1883
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,560
that cuz we've got a lot of streets that

1884
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,600
are getting resurfaced that

1885
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,319
» I don't know if we have a lot but

1886
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,920
we have some.

1887
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,359
» A few for sure, right?

1888
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,040
Well, I'm for one and I've also had

1889
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,319
several calls from many others that

1890
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,000
» Yeah.

1891
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,759
» Have all of the same concerns. So

1892
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,040
» Yeah, I agree.

1893
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:34,160
» To see us be proactive and address them.

1894
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,160
» Okay.

1895
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:40,640
» Is that it? Mhm. All right. Now we get

1896
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:42,759
down to the various question committees

1897
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,839
uh and then old business. So uh grow

1898
01:08:42,759 --> 01:08:49,080
grant discussion.

1899
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:50,839
» So uh we've discussed ad nauseam the

1900
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,000
questions about grow grant and removing

1901
01:08:50,839 --> 01:08:55,799
some items such as HVAC and structural

1902
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,240
improvements. Uh but after last meeting,

1903
01:08:55,799 --> 01:08:59,200
council member Strain suggested an

1904
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,880
alternative approach that I believe is

1905
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,560
worth considering. Rather than

1906
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,520
eliminating those categories entirely,

1907
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,000
we could establish a a mission statement

1908
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:09,080
for the program program that defines its

1909
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,279
primary purpose as providing assistance

1910
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:12,880
for facade improvements to local

1911
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:14,960
businesses, improvements that enhance

1912
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,359
the appearance of individual buildings,

1913
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,759
and ultimately the overall look and

1914
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:21,120
vitality of our business district.

1915
01:09:18,759 --> 01:09:23,359
Under that approach, HVAC and structural

1916
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,799
improvements could remain eligible in

1917
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,279
unique or compelling circumstances.

1918
01:09:25,799 --> 01:09:29,319
However, in my discussions with

1919
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:31,520
Councilman Blow, he's not necessarily in

1920
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:33,839
favor of including deep HVAC and

1921
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,000
structural in there, and I'm certain

1922
01:09:33,839 --> 01:09:36,880
that discussions and sure there are

1923
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:39,080
others as well. Um

1924
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,000
also, Councilman Blow

1925
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,640
or acting mayor tonight, uh has

1926
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,080
suggested that we consider an

1927
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,920
alternative use of the program as well.

1928
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,359
A percentage of the program, I think he

1929
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,440
said mentioned 20.

1930
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,240
» I'll go.

1931
01:09:50,440 --> 01:09:54,440
» Relative to um

1932
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,840
more of a residential approach that

1933
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:59,600
would be for uh consideration of removal

1934
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,720
of invasive species such as bamboo and

1935
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,280
honeysuckle and others.

1936
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,280
I would have some concerns logistically

1937
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,880
about how that would work. I'm sure

1938
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,920
you'll offer an explanation for that.

1939
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,520
Hopefully.

1940
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,160
» Just a minor one. Just just to start the

1941
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,120
conversation.

1942
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:15,600
» Yeah. And also, I would be concerned

1943
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:17,200
that we would be um

1944
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,040
rewarding

1945
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,840
lax homeowners who are not necessarily

1946
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,280
taking care of their properties and

1947
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,720
maintaining these

1948
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:27,120
yards, etc. Specifically that. I

1949
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,440
wouldn't want that to be the impression

1950
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,480
we would take. But those are just my

1951
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,680
personal opinions and certainly those

1952
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:33,560
are discussions and I'm sure I'll

1953
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,720
further you on the issue.

1954
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,320
» Um

1955
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,880
Just First of all, I yeah, I appreciate

1956
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,720
uh Councilman Blow's [clears throat] uh

1957
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,480
I talked to him last week about this uh

1958
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,480
for the first time. I've learned about

1959
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,200
today. I haven't approached it with

1960
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:47,640
anybody else. Um and the reason um and

1961
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,520
the reason this came up, so everybody

1962
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,280
knows, is that I removed honeysuckle

1963
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,400
from my yard a couple weeks ago, about

1964
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,480
10 ft wide, about 150 ft long. Um and I

1965
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,560
was just talking to another friend of

1966
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:01,280
mine about it and I and he mentioned

1967
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:03,800
that the Campbell County has the

1968
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:06,000
conservation district out there has a

1969
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:07,920
local cost share program. So our county

1970
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,040
already has a minor cost share program,

1971
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,920
so they already have this framework for

1972
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,760
something we could do here. And I think

1973
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,840
last month

1974
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:19,080
when I was discussing this

1975
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:21,680
about adding an ordinance

1976
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,920
to prevent people from their honeysuckle

1977
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,040
from taking over other people's yard,

1978
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,720
planting bamboo. Bellevue had an

1979
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:28,680
ordinance I think in January of this

1980
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,760
year

1981
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,520
along those lines of these invasive

1982
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:35,600
species.

1983
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:37,520
So So that's residents are responsible

1984
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,160
for these and what they do. I happen to

1985
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:42,080
visit a friend to make a long story

1986
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:44,800
short and he showed me his backyard and

1987
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,120
the whole side of his hill with bamboo.

1988
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,400
And I don't know if anybody knows about

1989
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,720
anything about bamboo, but it is it is

1990
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,920
unbelievable and if you cut it down it

1991
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,720
gets mad. And so he's got this whole

1992
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,440
side yard with bamboo and then he's got

1993
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,760
a strings up there trying to work from

1994
01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:58,720
bending over. He's cut it all down and

1995
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,200
it gets angry. The only way to really

1996
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,440
stop it from growing in your yard is a

1997
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,720
12-in

1998
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,480
like piece of steel or concrete that

1999
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,560
goes along with rather root system from

2000
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,600
growing.

2001
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,040
All right, so if someone here

2002
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,520
residentially allows that to grow in

2003
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,680
their yard and now that we know the

2004
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,120
effects of it,

2005
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:17,240
we can prevent that from happening so it

2006
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,720
doesn't grow into the yards. I thought,

2007
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,680
well, since we didn't really know a lot

2008
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,240
of that stuff before, maybe we can offer

2009
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,000
some type of grant or assistance program

2010
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:27,640
and we give businesses grants for

2011
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,840
facades, right? You know what I mean? So

2012
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,680
you know, for to make it look good,

2013
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,200
right? Well, I think you know, Brad had

2014
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,400
mentioned that he doesn't want to get

2015
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,240
into somebody cleaning up somebody

2016
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,880
else's mess, but I think that's exactly

2017
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,640
what we're doing with the program. You

2018
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,040
know what I mean? We're taking

2019
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,080
responsibility of the land owner or the

2020
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:44,080
business owner and putting it on the tax

2021
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,920
the citizens, right? So to me, the

2022
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,120
citizens pay the majority of the taxes

2023
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,560
in our city.

2024
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,680
So why shouldn't they get some benefit

2025
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,520
in some kind of grant program as well?

2026
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,080
You know, 40% of our money comes in from

2027
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,040
businesses and already 25 or 30% is

2028
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:59,000
probably 10 businesses in town.

2029
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:00,520
So, my idea was like, let's give

2030
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,440
something back to them.

2031
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,960
Um, it's not a it's not a perfect

2032
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:08,160
situation, a perfect scenario, there's

2033
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:10,240
nothing is. Um, but I talked to uh Terry

2034
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:13,240
who happened to work for you, I believe,

2035
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:15,400
uh in your office. Um, she works there

2036
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,560
Mondays and Thursdays now.

2037
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Is that her name, Terry? Is that her

2038
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:17,760
name?

2039
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,360
» Tammy.

2040
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:21,320
» Tammy. Tammy, excuse me.

2041
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,880
Yeah, Tammy so Tammy so Tammy does that

2042
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,640
now Mondays and

2043
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,760
Thurs- Mondays and Thursdays. So, she

2044
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,440
worked in your office for how many

2045
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,960
years? 20?

2046
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:29,440
» 21 years. 22 years.

2047
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,000
» And she was a fantastic wealth of

2048
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,280
knowledge. So, if everybody's looking at

2049
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,240
this program, there's a lot of urban, a

2050
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:36,840
lot of rural stuff. So, um they do a lot

2051
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,800
of things out there. Uh we wouldn't

2052
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,080
necessarily do them all, but they do

2053
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:42,600
beekeeping, composting, invasive

2054
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,960
removal, native tree swap, pollinator

2055
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,320
gardens, cool trees, rainwater

2056
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:50,080
harvesting, raised garden beds.

2057
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,800
Um, and uh the number one

2058
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,600
the basic species honeysuckle, autumn

2059
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:57,120
olive, burning bushes, bamboo, number

2060
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:59,520
one is honeysuckle. Um, we listed what

2061
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,040
people go for out there. Um, they I

2062
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,280
can't remember they have a lot of urban

2063
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:04,280
and then they have a lot of rural stuff

2064
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,880
and a lot of their urban stuff is number

2065
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,280
one on their plate, but

2066
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,840
um

2067
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,240
uh three was rain harvesting, two was

2068
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,880
pollinator gardens garden beds, and then

2069
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,960
uh four was running basic species

2070
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,880
removal on their chart of grants they've

2071
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,640
been doing. So, they've been out there

2072
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:19,120
for about eight years and uh they've

2073
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,360
been doing this uh for a pretty long

2074
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,000
time and I think they rewarded twice.

2075
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,160
They are funded by the state and by the

2076
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,520
county.

2077
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:30,280
Um, so um as far as any

2078
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:32,200
uh I'm not concerned about much real

2079
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:35,280
responsibility from us,

2080
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,480
but I thought it was so uh village tax,

2081
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,720
I'm not sure what that was, but I went

2082
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,880
out there they do 50% of funding.

2083
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:42,560
Um, and I talked to her for quite some

2084
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,320
time and I thought it'd be

2085
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:46,240
nice to introduce another program. And

2086
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,800
so, I met with uh Councilman Finell

2087
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:50,320
prior to the meeting today to discuss a

2088
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,440
little bit more and I know he's been

2089
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,440
waiting on this

2090
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:56,960
program for a long time and we have

2091
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:58,560
$120,000 sitting there.

2092
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,560
I don't want these businesses to wait

2093
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:03,560
any longer. So, I think we should go

2094
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:05,480
ahead and approve $60,000

2095
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:07,280
for this.

2096
01:15:05,480 --> 01:15:09,560
Now, this is just what we we did discuss

2097
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:12,080
and I have discussed this with him also.

2098
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,560
I'd like to get moving on that and what

2099
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,160
was it I talked about with you? I'm

2100
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,400
sorry, I'm my paperwork here.

2101
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,560
And mind you, too.

2102
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:21,600
» We wanted to remove HVAC and structural

2103
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,520
and I don't know if you got a consensus

2104
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,560
on that or not.

2105
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:26,640
» Yeah, if we just move the So, we still

2106
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:27,880
leave a lot of lot of openings but we

2107
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,160
remove the support mechanisms,

2108
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:32,280
foundation support beams, columns

2109
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,880
and HVAC, I would be for moving forward

2110
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:36,520
with $6,000. You still have fire

2111
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,800
suppression, uh building bringing the

2112
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,320
building up to code, you know, more than

2113
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,840
I'm comfortable with but I'd like to get

2114
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,200
something out to them and then visit

2115
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,120
doing something for the citizens so that

2116
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,240
we can

2117
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,440
move forward on that with So, you

2118
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,480
probably have a first reading tonight.

2119
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:50,920
Eliminate those two things, vote on it

2120
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,440
in September and get the money out to

2121
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,920
them, right?

2122
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:55,320
» With the changes in it? If it was that

2123
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,840
simple.

2124
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,040
» What?

2125
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,640
Are you talking about changing the

2126
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,040
ordinance?

2127
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,440
» Yeah, just I can't do the first.

2128
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,360
» I don't think I don't want to go first

2129
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,200
reading myself.

2130
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,880
» I'd rather do a first reading.

2131
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,160
» Yeah, so I would

2132
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,240
» Yeah, we could but it's

2133
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,640
» Yeah,

2134
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,720
I wouldn't be a fan of that.

2135
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,480
» Well, it's just something we've already

2136
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,280
had one reading of you know, and that's

2137
01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,560
why we have a meeting on September 9th

2138
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,080
or you guys have a meeting together.

2139
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,480
» September we can address that.

2140
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,560
» I'd be interested in just in an effort

2141
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:23,080
to move it forward, I'd be interested in

2142
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,640
other members' opinions relative to

2143
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:29,480
either a mission statement or removing

2144
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:31,640
the HVAC or HVAC and structural or that.

2145
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:33,240
Again, if we push this forward so we can

2146
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,200
we can get moving

2147
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,160
» What are your

2148
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,080
our thoughts on starting some sort of

2149
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,640
committee still?

2150
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,560
» That would have

2151
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,800
» I think that I thought we were past

2152
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,840
that. I thought know definitely going to

2153
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,560
establish a committee. I think that's

2154
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,240
what we need.

2155
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,240
» A council committee though or is that

2156
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:48,520
like a third party committee?

2157
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,680
» I think it would be

2158
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:53,680
more of a collaborative effort relative

2159
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,480
to possibly a council member but then

2160
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,800
certainly some community members as

2161
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,560
well. Disinterested third parties I

2162
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,680
think it would.

2163
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,480
» We have a system set up now and I think

2164
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,760
if we [snorts] continue to talk about

2165
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,800
this and we're not coming down with an

2166
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,880
answer. I thought that's why we could

2167
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,680
really use this answer money. And then

2168
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,160
try to talk about it and

2169
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,600
you know, 90 days when the next cycle

2170
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,160
comes up so we can't get some money to

2171
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,280
them. I keep I don't want to keep going

2172
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,080
every month and dangling the carrot in

2173
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,960
front of the businesses. That's not fair

2174
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,720
either.

2175
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,120
All right, so

2176
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,520
» I I I want to say one point real quick.

2177
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,000
Um

2178
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,080
I mean I you guys have had my opinions

2179
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,720
on this.

2180
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,000
Just to understand the background of the

2181
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:32,480
support mechanism, the foundation. The

2182
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,800
the whole point of that is to not tear

2183
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:36,800
down the store buildings, right? To to

2184
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:39,480
kind of make to kick the pendulum in the

2185
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,920
other direction as opposed to if if the

2186
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:43,000
city could put a little bit of money in

2187
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,880
to keep the older buildings up, that's

2188
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,440
what that's for. Just just to give back

2189
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:48,640
to them back. It's not there just uh

2190
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:50,640
you know,

2191
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,800
just to give money to people but just

2192
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,080
like the flooring on some of these

2193
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,480
buildings, they kept the original

2194
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,920
flooring because they used this program

2195
01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:59,640
instead of just putting new flooring

2196
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:01,320
over top of that. So for the historical

2197
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:03,000
nature of it,

2198
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,920
we're adding value by keeping in the

2199
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:07,400
historical stuff. So that's that's just

2200
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:08,240
the reason that is in there. Just kind

2201
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,800
of wanted to give it a little bit of

2202
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:12,040
background on that.

2203
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,600
» Yeah, my without

2204
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:16,000
speaking to Councilman Strange or uh

2205
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,080
about the

2206
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,880
proposal or firm that you discussed that

2207
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,720
you mentioned, Brad.

2208
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,120
» Yeah.

2209
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,920
» My philosophy on it, I think we're all

2210
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,280
big fans of the program. I'm a huge fan

2211
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,080
of the program.

2212
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,520
Um I I I just I fear what I don't want

2213
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,000
to have happen is that we narrow the

2214
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,640
scope to the point that there are

2215
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,360
opportunities. There's so many unique

2216
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,440
things that happen that you can't

2217
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,760
legislate about. You can't we You come

2218
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:39,640
up with every single scenario that would

2219
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:41,720
be a good applicant or poor applicant

2220
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:43,680
for the program. So, rather than try to

2221
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,560
eliminate HVAC or things like that, I

2222
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,960
really believe that I mean, we've got it

2223
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,360
We do have it narrowed down quite a bit.

2224
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,960
If we can get to a point where we can

2225
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,800
agree on that,

2226
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,840
I really think that the the decision

2227
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:58,280
making I mean, we decide on, you know,

2228
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:01,480
what black and white is eligible or not,

2229
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:03,200
but by allowing, you know, I'm I'm

2230
01:19:01,480 --> 01:19:05,120
personally I'm in favor of allowing more

2231
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,960
to be eligible,

2232
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,280
receive the applications and go from

2233
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,280
there where you can have, you know,

2234
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:12,040
whether it's community of experts,

2235
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:14,320
community members, and council working

2236
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:16,520
together to award the money to certain

2237
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,760
individuals businesses.

2238
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:21,080
But, I'm a fan of, you know, really

2239
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,120
encouraging people to apply. And of

2240
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,160
course,

2241
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,080
some of them apply for things that

2242
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,600
aren't going to qualify. And and that

2243
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,000
committee or that decision-making body,

2244
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,160
whatever you want to call it,

2245
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,640
that body does that in the city,

2246
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,320
they make that call. And that was the

2247
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,520
point of my

2248
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:38,280
of what I proposed is to say that if you

2249
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,920
have a clear clearly expressed

2250
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,800
mission statement that

2251
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,600
lays out as clearly as possible the

2252
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:47,840
purpose and the intent behind the

2253
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:49,680
program, that internally the committee

2254
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:52,640
or the process,

2255
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,800
they know exactly what, you know,

2256
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,520
the review and the approval is is for,

2257
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,320
and then externally, if you're going to

2258
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,280
apply, you know,

2259
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,840
you know,

2260
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:04,000
what it's there for, right? So,

2261
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,560
my understanding is that

2262
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,800
there hasn't been a few abuses in the

2263
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:10,360
past. I don't know if anybody has

2264
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:13,360
information to the contrary, there are

2265
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:14,840
some here, but if we can focus right

2266
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,680
here, businesses that received over

2267
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,320
$50,000, I mean,

2268
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:19,720
in the last 5 years,

2269
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,920
I would say

2270
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:23,400
abuse is a is a tough term. It's not

2271
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,720
really necessarily abusing it, though,

2272
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,720
but it's necessarily what the citizen

2273
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,440
should have to pay for for where a

2274
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:31,800
landlord is responsible for his own

2275
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:33,280
work. Like the city I agree with that.

2276
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,920
We've We've had that, you know some of

2277
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:37,080
that discussion. I agree with that. So

2278
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,680
that that would be the sort of abuse

2279
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:42,120
part of it and I mean by that that

2280
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:44,040
you're applying for things that go

2281
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,760
outside of the scope of what the the

2282
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,600
clearly expressed

2283
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:49,560
purpose and intent

2284
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,360
of the program is but there's some

2285
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:53,960
judgment on the committee there to

2286
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,040
» No, I understand. I think I think we

2287
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,760
should

2288
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:58,160
» Allow for situations like

2289
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,400
» I think abuse would be someone who could

2290
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,560
afford it and rely on taxpayer dollars

2291
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,680
to fix it.

2292
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,080
You know what I mean? So what you're

2293
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,160
saying George committee would make sure

2294
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,840
that doesn't happen.

2295
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,680
» The problem is I think is that when you

2296
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,120
have something outlawed by law then you

2297
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,640
turn it down

2298
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:14,560
you're required to if if it says in

2299
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,400
there we can't say, you know what we can

2300
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,280
do anything but we decided you don't

2301
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:17,960
deserve anything like that.

2302
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,680
» No,

2303
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,080
you you have the authority for example

2304
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:24,720
let's get that as an example of the

2305
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:28,120
structure. You know if you have a

2306
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,800
a policy that gives discretion on you

2307
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:31,320
know

2308
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,520
let's just say tenants. Is this just to

2309
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:36,400
bail out a landlord or is this something

2310
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,960
that is unique to this building?

2311
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,040
» Let's say I'm a landlord and I'm like I

2312
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,480
don't really care about it I'm going to

2313
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,800
get X amount of rent I'm not going to

2314
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:43,880
make any repairs.

2315
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:45,240
» If somebody calls and they want to build

2316
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,480
a thing or something.

2317
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,640
» You know let's say a fancy wine facility

2318
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:52,440
and they need

2319
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:54,480
climate HVAC and like yeah the landlord

2320
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:57,000
won't do that we want to be here but we

2321
01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:00,600
can't afford it because he can rent it

2322
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:02,680
to this person and get the same rate but

2323
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,560
it won't bring I mean you you can get

2324
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,720
yourself some discretion.

2325
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,920
You just need to have

2326
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,880
you need to have it written how you

2327
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:14,200
arrive at that. It's when you say

2328
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,880
nothing and you just kind of come and

2329
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,800
tell us your piece and it's just up or

2330
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,560
down with no standard whatsoever but you

2331
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,400
know

2332
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,040
you always had the right I learned this

2333
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:25,640
when I was a young attorney.

2334
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,280
You know as long as you provide people

2335
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,240
kind of the general framework what the

2336
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,200
rules are and the right to be heard and

2337
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,520
you have the right to be wrong. I mean,

2338
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,720
for example, we heard tonight some

2339
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,240
people don't necessarily like

2340
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,840
ordinances. Some do, some don't.

2341
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:42,000
But, at the end of the day, still some

2342
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:44,040
things got to be decided that will fall

2343
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,880
to you all. So, I mean, you do have the

2344
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,160
ability that they

2345
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,360
is the strength that it's coming up with

2346
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:51,800
language that

2347
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,760
basically makes it clear this isn't a

2348
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:56,640
bailout landlord situation. This is how

2349
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:59,000
you are bringing unique businesses to

2350
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,680
your city that maybe can't afford

2351
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,800
uh you know, obviously the storefronts

2352
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,480
are big.

2353
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,800
The side grants are usually big cuz

2354
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,000
they're the things a landlord is not

2355
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,400
going to pay.

2356
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,680
Um

2357
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,520
you know, I I think that if you're going

2358
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:12,080
to do something like HVAC,

2359
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:14,440
yeah, it better not be Yeah, they had a

2360
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,920
24-year-old system and

2361
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:17,880
you know, whether there's new fancy

2362
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,400
computer

2363
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,480
or systems coming in or just a

2364
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,880
run-of-the-mill office, um

2365
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:27,280
the landlord needed to buy a new HVAC

2366
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,440
unit. So.

2367
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,960
» I'm just I'm trying to think of ways to

2368
01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:32,600
move forward. Like I said before, I'm

2369
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,480
pretty against HR and I'm pretty against

2370
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,960
um the structural stuff. I do think it's

2371
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,400
a landlord's responsibility. If we have

2372
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,760
a wealthy landlord who comes in here or

2373
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,280
even if they're not wealthy, they should

2374
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,080
know what they're getting into. You know

2375
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,280
what I mean? I don't think

2376
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,000
» That it's historical?

2377
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,600
» Yeah, well, it See, he says historical,

2378
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,400
but it doesn't say anywhere in there

2379
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,200
historical. It just says So, that could

2380
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,240
mean any building. He says that's what

2381
01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:51,520
it's for and then gives us a

2382
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:52,960
description, but there's nothing that

2383
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,880
defines that part of it. You know what I

2384
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,320
mean? So, and I think if someone buys a

2385
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,160
building in a historical district

2386
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,880
though, they should understand the

2387
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,880
responsibilities they have. You can't

2388
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,040
just tear a building down in a

2389
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:03,040
historical district. Well, I guess they

2390
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,120
can if they did what they did around One

2391
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,213
Island.

2392
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:04,240
Um

2393
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:06,000
» [clears throat]

2394
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,120
» But, you know, typically they can't just

2395
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,960
tear down a building. You know, that's

2396
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,960
not how it works.

2397
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,560
» Would you feel better though if we I

2398
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,960
agree with you on a lot of this like the

2399
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,280
HVAC. I understand where you're coming

2400
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,920
from. I understand where they're coming

2401
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,840
from with the historical part.

2402
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,240
Putting a

2403
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:20,200
a committee in place would make me I've

2404
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:22,360
been through the process. So, being on

2405
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,880
the other side of it and applying for

2406
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:26,280
these grants,

2407
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:28,400
I would feel better with a committee in

2408
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:31,160
place, and it's, you know, at least

2409
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:34,320
three people giving some

2410
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:36,680
I hope that have some sort of

2411
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:38,520
I don't know. Just insight to the

2412
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,840
different buildings like Brad would be I

2413
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,840
think Brad would be great on that cuz he

2414
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,760
has some insight to this stuff. But,

2415
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,400
I think that would make me feel better

2416
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,280
» I would I would

2417
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,200
» Having that in place.

2418
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,680
» I I said in here I took some notes of

2419
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,960
what line items I want out, you know

2420
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,280
what I mean? That that we can have a lot

2421
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,480
of discussion if we want another wall

2422
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,760
and license focus simply on this stuff.

2423
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:57,680
I just want to focus on the bike

2424
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,000
ordinance before the last meeting. But,

2425
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,880
if we have one before the next meeting,

2426
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:03,000
maybe we can have some more stuff out.

2427
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,720
You know, and with my discussions I said

2428
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,400
three of stop signs for the program that

2429
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:08,080
maxes out what they can spend in that

2430
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,400
area, you know what I mean? So, that

2431
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,480
it's not eligible for the entire $60,000

2432
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,400
because,

2433
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:13,840
you know, when you look at some of these

2434
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:17,080
programs, some of them got, you know,

2435
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:20,040
15,900, 5,800.

2436
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:22,080
Um, you know, $11,589,

2437
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:25,480
$15,400. You know what I mean? They're

2438
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:26,960
all over the place. 20,000, 15,000.

2439
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:29,320
There's rent subsidies in here. There's

2440
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:32,760
one for 18,000 here and one for 40.

2441
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:34,280
Um, so, and like I said, so I just

2442
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,960
I don't want it all to be spent on that.

2443
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,760
I think the the whole goal with this was

2444
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,960
the facade. So, if we can get this

2445
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,400
somewhere where it caps it at a certain

2446
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,520
amount,

2447
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,480
you know what I mean? But, I do think we

2448
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,000
need to take a look at what we can do to

2449
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,520
the citizens. It's all about the

2450
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,400
businesses in town. The citizens make up

2451
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,960
our makeup in town. They are who are the

2452
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,360
dollars we're spending.

2453
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:54,000
Right? And where should they go? So, I'm

2454
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,560
just trying to meet in the middle with

2455
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,760
both. But, I did have that in my notes

2456
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,000
that if we do a max payout in the

2457
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,960
sub-section, I'd feel much better about

2458
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,560
it. I'm still on the boat for the

2459
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:03,320
infrastructure. I said that from the

2460
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,960
very beginning. When they voted to

2461
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,280
change this four or five years ago, I

2462
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,360
voted no. I'll vote now, probably vote

2463
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,920
again for structural stuff. Um, if we

2464
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:13,200
carry out if we carve something out for

2465
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,840
historical, maybe.

2466
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:17,240
Um, with a minimum. Um, but like I said

2467
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,880
before, if I don't vote yes, that's

2468
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,760
fine. It doesn't not It's not going to

2469
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,320
bother me. I'm not going to lose any

2470
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,920
sleep. That's just how I feel about it.

2471
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,480
If you guys want to go ahead and vote, I

2472
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,040
don't want you guys to hold back because

2473
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,640
I'm a no on that. You know what I mean?

2474
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,320
Because I'm trying to move I'm Keep

2475
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,520
having these conversations to try to

2476
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,400
move forward to try to release some of

2477
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:31,800
the money for

2478
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,320
» Yeah.

2479
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:35,120
» These funds, right? So, I'm coming up

2480
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:36,320
with I'm spitballing what I would make.

2481
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,040
You know what I mean? And we can circle

2482
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,680
back around with the other stuff. But if

2483
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,320
you don't feel like that's something

2484
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,400
you're interested in, then move forward

2485
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,240
without me and give these guys some

2486
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,680
money.

2487
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:46,840
» Well, the other thing you can do is you

2488
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:48,120
can make them produce. Like for example,

2489
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,800
let's say somebody's

2490
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,520
got an SBA loan

2491
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,280
and they you know, you probably

2492
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,720
guarantee a certain percentage of that

2493
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,560
and maybe they're

2494
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,200
Let me take the rest of this. You got to

2495
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,720
say, "I got my kids got a little ice

2496
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,640
cream." You know, let's say outside and

2497
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:02,160
they

2498
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,360
they've gotten their SBA, they've

2499
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:06,680
remodeled everything, but they're short

2500
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:08,280
X amount, you know, and they're they're

2501
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,520
tapped out. That's all the SBA's going

2502
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,560
to do. Landlords are And And you can

2503
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,120
even ask them, "Let me see your rent."

2504
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,880
You know, does the landlord

2505
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,440
maybe say, "Okay, during your 4 months

2506
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:19,200
of build-out, I'm going to charge you a

2507
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:20,640
lot like, you know,

2508
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:22,160
I think you I don't think you're doing

2509
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,480
anything wrong to make the landlord be

2510
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:26,960
part of the solution as well. We might

2511
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:29,520
assist, but you're also not going to get

2512
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,360
full freight rent while, you know,

2513
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:33,360
government money's being used to get you

2514
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:35,480
a viable tenant and a business. So, I

2515
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:38,120
mean, I I do think you can do a lot of

2516
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:41,440
deep dive to get people who truly need

2517
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:43,640
the help. Uh because it is

2518
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:45,560
it What I've noticed, it's getting

2519
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:47,680
harder right now for

2520
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:50,360
what banks will lend on, especially when

2521
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,240
you've got brick and mortar. Uh

2522
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,480
you know, they

2523
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:54,280
you know, there's not a lot of people

2524
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:56,400
that have hundred thousand dollars

2525
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:58,280
sitting around to go in and basically on

2526
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,120
a 3-year lease,

2527
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:04,400
you know, revamp a storefront that may

2528
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,800
or may not work. It's It's tough.

2529
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,240
» Yeah, but it's also it's not their

2530
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,120
storefront, right? So, we're revamping

2531
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,560
it for somebody else.

2532
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,880
» No, that's where you're looking at what

2533
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,120
they're doing because, you know,

2534
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,960
obviously if it's brand new windows.

2535
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:14,800
Yeah.

2536
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,040
» Exactly.

2537
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,520
» Well, I mean, but it's the whole reason

2538
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,600
for the grant cuz I started Sorry, I was

2539
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,160
a program

2540
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,560
facade grant, you know. So, I just I'd

2541
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,560
be more open for discussion. I was just

2542
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,120
throwing that all out there. I'm just

2543
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,360
trying to get the ball moving. I keep

2544
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,960
saying I said it last time I said it

2545
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,800
before. You don't agree with me, that's

2546
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,760
fine. You know what I mean? Like, move

2547
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,920
on. And let's get them some money one

2548
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,640
way or the other. At least let's have

2549
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,400
the meeting next time. See if we can

2550
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,240
come up with something um prior to the

2551
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,960
next meeting. Talk about it, you know

2552
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,360
what I mean? It's not a special meeting.

2553
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,120
It's a meeting that's But then we could

2554
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:45,120
maybe finish it up and do a first

2555
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,160
reading and then we'll be back in

2556
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:48,720
another 2 weeks after that or, you know

2557
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,800
what I mean? For another possible

2558
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,080
reading for them. And the program is

2559
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,520
pretty much all laid out, right? You

2560
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:54,680
know what I mean? So,

2561
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,600
it'd just be maybe a subsection or

2562
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,600
something along the lines. We can all

2563
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:59,960
talk and then interrupt and anybody has

2564
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,760
any ideas on it, let us know.

2565
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:04,040
Obviously, um

2566
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,120
» Would Mayor Allison be the one to kind

2567
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,240
of decide how we want to set up I just

2568
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,880
think that's a good idea.

2569
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,320
» I think it's on us. It's an ordinance,

2570
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,160
so but I mean, obviously, he whatever

2571
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,600
his opinion, obviously,

2572
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,160
his opinion matters, you know what I

2573
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:17,200
mean? On it. I think

2574
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,280
he's had some great ideas

2575
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,040
um on it, you know, so

2576
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,520
um

2577
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,000
yeah, I didn't mind it going to all of

2578
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,320
our license meeting, you know what I

2579
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,720
mean? So, the committee, you know what I

2580
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,840
mean? I think it's counted city dollars

2581
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,600
we're elected to handle the city

2582
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:31,000
dollars. I don't want to put that

2583
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,400
pressure on somebody else. I think all

2584
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,200
this pressure we should be falling on

2585
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,720
the sword for the money that is spent

2586
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:37,080
the majority of time.

2587
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,520
Um that's how That's why we're elected,

2588
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,360
right? So, if we make a bad decision,

2589
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,120
it's kind of falling on us, so

2590
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,160
that doesn't bother me one bit, you know

2591
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,360
what I mean? If that's how it wants to

2592
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,920
be, you know.

2593
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:47,560
It can come to us

2594
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,320
for all intents and purposes,

2595
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,240
you know.

2596
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:50,640
I just want to search make sure it's

2597
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:51,960
carved out and I don't want something in

2598
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,520
there that someone's going to get teased

2599
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,400
at or they don't care about that can't

2600
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,600
be done cuz we decided, you know, never

2601
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,360
mind, we don't feel like you deserve

2602
01:29:56,600 --> 01:30:00,920
this, but these guys deserve it. I think

2603
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,920
that's unfair, too. So, and I like the

2604
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:03,920
thought of giving something back to the

2605
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,680
citizens. These are native species are

2606
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,720
endangered and stuff. They are. And you

2607
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,520
know, I think some people don't take

2608
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,840
care of it cuz they're older or don't

2609
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,840
have the money. You know what I mean?

2610
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:13,840
It's I can tell you that as much. I'm

2611
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,440
well over $3,000 and I didn't I cut it

2612
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,040
all down myself. I'm still at $3,000 to

2613
01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:19,240
remove it, come in here, and stump grind

2614
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:21,320
it and everything else. So, they had to

2615
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,480
chop it up and bring trucks to untake it

2616
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,920
out. It's

2617
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:26,120
it's a lot.

2618
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,120
So.

2619
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,280
So.

2620
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,200
» Trying to figure out how we're moving

2621
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:31,040
forward with this.

2622
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,440
» Well, I think we'll meet next time

2623
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,840
» Okay.

2624
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:35,160
» Beforehand. We'll have a meeting with

2625
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,600
it. We didn't make any decisions today.

2626
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,720
All the highway licenses being prior to

2627
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,160
the next council meeting.

2628
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:42,160
» So, uh just for the record, I'm not for

2629
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:43,720
HVAC and structural, either. I've said

2630
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,800
repeatedly that I think it should be

2631
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,280
mainly focused on the facade. But, I am

2632
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:49,640
intrigued with Eric's idea because there

2633
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,480
can be unique and compelling

2634
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,080
circumstances. If we completely remove

2635
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:54,600
them, then we know it's absolutely not

2636
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,520
going to happen.

2637
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,880
And I would like to think that this

2638
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,800
committee that we would put together

2639
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,480
would possess the knowledge to and and

2640
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,080
uh

2641
01:31:01,480 --> 01:31:04,520
understand

2642
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,800
the job at hand to make the right

2643
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:08,480
decision. And in very rare occasions, it

2644
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,480
may be an HVAC or structural

2645
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:12,600
improvement. But, the focus would be on

2646
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:14,400
facade. The mission statement would very

2647
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,400
clearly say that, and the committee

2648
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:19,040
would understand what the mission of the

2649
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:21,400
program is. And we haven't exhausted the

2650
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,640
program in any year over the past two or

2651
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,840
three years, am I right?

2652
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,320
» No, not the last two.

2653
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,800
» So, that tells me that either the

2654
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:30,360
application process is too hard

2655
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,400
or

2656
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:33,240
we're not open to enough

2657
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,040
good ideas.

2658
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,360
» Well, I think it's Yeah, I think that's

2659
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,920
a misnomer. Opening it up is just

2660
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,920
allowing

2661
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:42,120
businesses or landlords to use taxpayer

2662
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,600
dollars when they should be fixing it

2663
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,040
themselves. So, just because people

2664
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,280
aren't using it

2665
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,040
doesn't mean So, that's just saying,

2666
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,080
"Hey, we should now allow the cab roofs

2667
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,400
or buy a new car." That's not what it's

2668
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,360
about, you know what I mean? And at some

2669
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,280
point, you know what I mean?

2670
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,120
» It would be on

2671
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,080
» Are we going to have all the highway

2672
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,720
licenses discuss all of this?

2673
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:58,480
» Yes.

2674
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,720
» I guess so.

2675
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:02,560
» Yeah, let's move.

2676
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,600
Yeah, so.

2677
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,440
You know, that's the thing. I mean, I

2678
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:07,720
and I'm I I said I'm open to some kind

2679
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:10,120
of subsection on that but also you have

2680
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,400
to think that there have been like you

2681
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,880
know I always bring up the restaurant

2682
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,040
that was not part of the grant program

2683
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,400
it was something someone needed because

2684
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,080
they felt they needed extra income

2685
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,280
because it was going to cost too much to

2686
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,120
outsource that restaurant, right? So

2687
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:23,840
these things don't have to be in a

2688
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:25,400
grant. If someone hits a building in

2689
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,760
town they realize hey look I want to

2690
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,160
sell this building I want to they can

2691
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:31,200
come to us we can probably work out if

2692
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:33,240
we felt it was a necessary move they can

2693
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:34,600
get funding from the city to save that

2694
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,920
building. So it doesn't have to be in

2695
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:37,480
this grant.

2696
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:39,160
They've done it before. I was not on

2697
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:40,360
that last one the last couple but that

2698
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,880
doesn't mean I wouldn't be on the next

2699
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,120
one. I mean salvage a historical

2700
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,560
building. You know what I mean?

2701
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,880
» Let's go to the meeting then and then

2702
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:49,320
we'll move on. Does that work? Yes.

2703
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,200
» Yeah, let's do it before the next

2704
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:52,480
meeting and then hopefully we can all

2705
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,440
discuss something beforehand and come up

2706
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:55,960
with something. I mean I'm I'm open to

2707
01:32:54,440 --> 01:32:57,480
that idea. You know I mean as long as

2708
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,160
it's protected.

2709
01:32:57,480 --> 01:33:00,680
» You know yeah that's the clear language

2710
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:03,920
that you know that there's a very high

2711
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:06,120
bar for anything HVAC or structural.

2712
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:08,520
» High bar and possibly a limit on what

2713
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:10,000
they can use it for.

2714
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,120
» Schedule it now.

2715
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,800
» Schedule it now.

2716
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,560
» Hey wait I'll give it a schedule it now.

2717
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:14,240
» Yes

2718
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,440
that's easy.

2719
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,360
» That's today for the next hour.

2720
01:33:16,440 --> 01:33:19,440
» Today.

2721
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:21,624
» Yeah yeah yeah.

2722
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,280
» Give me a glass of water.

2723
01:33:21,624 --> 01:33:23,960
» [laughter]

2724
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,400
» Um all right thank you. Thank you for

2725
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,520
entertaining that. I'm really interested

2726
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:30,440
in getting something back there so after

2727
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:33,280
that sorry I lost my

2728
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:36,840
program now it's the Flock Camera and

2729
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:36,840
set public meeting.

2730
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:42,040
» Yes so I'm trying to get it's been

2731
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,720
challenging with people on vacation in

2732
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:47,280
the last couple of weeks. I'd like to

2733
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:50,720
try to do the Flock Camera meeting on

2734
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:52,440
September the 2nd at 6:00 p.m.

2735
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:55,560
I think

2736
01:33:52,440 --> 01:33:59,720
everybody is available. I see one

2737
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:59,720
scratch face so maybe not. Okay.

2738
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:02,560
Is everybody

2739
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,960
in town?

2740
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:04,360
» I said it's all me.

2741
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:04,800
» I know.

2742
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:05,510
» It's all me.

2743
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,440
» Yeah, I'm good.

2744
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:08,800
» [laughter]

2745
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:09,360
» I'm 200 deep in emails, so

2746
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:10,680
um

2747
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,000
» Just keep in mind when you're checking

2748
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,160
your calendar that you probably need to

2749
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,040
block off from 6:00 p.m. until the early

2750
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,360
morning the next day.

2751
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:20,120
» So yeah.

2752
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:23,440
» So um we're going to

2753
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,440
So this Wednesday

2754
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,680
we'll shoot for 6:00 p.m. I'll I'll put

2755
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:29,360
that out.

2756
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:31,640
And again, just

2757
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:33,440
that meeting we we really want to have

2758
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:35,880
any questions ahead of time from

2759
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:37,760
citizens to make sure that um the

2760
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,240
questions are covered ahead of time.

2761
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,280
Obviously, any questions from council,

2762
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,520
and then we will open it up to public

2763
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:44,160
comments.

2764
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,400
Um but what we really want to do is make

2765
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:48,240
sure that we are having good

2766
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,960
conversations, not

2767
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:51,440
not things that if you bring up

2768
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,880
something that I'd like to have a source

2769
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:55,560
cuz there's a lot of mis- misinformation

2770
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:58,880
that's been put out already that there's

2771
01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:00,360
no justification for right now. Um so

2772
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,520
you know, we can and we can also do the

2773
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,920
what if all day long. So we'll just

2774
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,120
we're going to try to control that just

2775
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,760
to have a good conversation. I've had a

2776
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,680
handful of citizens that are very much

2777
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,720
against block that I've talked to in the

2778
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:13,920
last week or two. Uh we've had really

2779
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,880
good conversations after the first 5

2780
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,040
minutes, right? It's just cuz I know

2781
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,280
that this does amp people up. Um and

2782
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:22,120
that's good cuz people are passionate

2783
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:23,760
about it, but I just once we once we can

2784
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:25,520
kind of lay it out and and have a good

2785
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,640
conversation, it's just it's a good

2786
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,320
topic to discuss, so that's kind of the

2787
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:32,560
goal. If anybody has anything ahead of

2788
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,920
time, please send it to us, so um

2789
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,400
that we can make sure that we can make

2790
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,000
sure

2791
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:37,320
» Somewhere bigger like the mess hall?

2792
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,400
» Um I don't know if we're going to be

2793
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,480
able to have it in the mess hall cuz

2794
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,440
farmers market is that night, so I'll

2795
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:45,280
double check. It'll most likely be here,

2796
01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:47,560
but we'll we'll see cuz that that'll be

2797
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,840
a clash of

2798
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,760
you know, of everything. So um

2799
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:54,560
so it'll most likely be in this room.

2800
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:58,000
» What day of the week is that?

2801
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:59,520
» It'll be seems easy, but it's not.

2802
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,600
» They They emailed They emailed us last

2803
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,840
week, just so you know, and gave us like

2804
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,400
10 dates, you know, so I

2805
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,640
I'm out of town on Thursday and the next

2806
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,120
one cuz I scheduled my vacation around

2807
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,760
these meetings, so but I told them to go

2808
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,960
ahead and have it like without me and I

2809
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,440
would catch up, but

2810
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,560
» Yeah. We're trying to get it We're

2811
01:36:12,440 --> 01:36:15,560
trying to get everybody here.

2812
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:20,800
No, but the parking I I I know that, but

2813
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,480
but being parking and everything else.

2814
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,640
So, I I'm not saying that's a no. I'm

2815
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:24,760
going to talk to them first, but I'm

2816
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:25,920
definitely not going to just tell them

2817
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,960
we're doing it. I want to have that

2818
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:30,320
conversation with them just to

2819
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,320
just to see.

2820
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,440
What's the

2821
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,920
» Maybe the

2822
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:39,160
back area at the school.

2823
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:41,280
» Um yeah, I I did think of that. That The

2824
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:43,320
other issue with the armory or the mess

2825
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:45,120
hall is just the sound and the audio and

2826
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:48,640
everything is just not very good there

2827
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:51,200
compared to here. Um but I have I have

2828
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,200
thought about the auditorium. So, you

2829
01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:55,600
It'll require

2830
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,560
the school to have staff there, but um

2831
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:00,000
I'm going to

2832
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:01,600
» Because of the acoustic issue, um and

2833
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,000
we're forced to find another location.

2834
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,760
Can we like at least consider that

2835
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,200
because this is an I I appreciate and

2836
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:08,360
understand that everybody has schedules

2837
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:10,800
and things that they have to be doing

2838
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:13,920
real lives and real jobs, but we've been

2839
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,880
talking about this now for 4 weeks. Um

2840
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,720
the conversation 4 weeks ago, 3 weeks

2841
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,480
ago should have been what dates do we

2842
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:21,040
have available and how could the

2843
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:23,000
facility be that within our community

2844
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,960
and they get to such that people within

2845
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:27,200
the community can actually come. I mean,

2846
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,600
there's a max capacity on this room.

2847
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:30,440
So, at some point you're going to have

2848
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:32,520
to turn people away. I don't know if

2849
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:34,880
that qualifies as an open meeting, but

2850
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,960
I'd be worried about it. Personally. I

2851
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:40,240
don't think we should be worried about

2852
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:41,560
the acoustics of the location um when

2853
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,720
it's something that's that important

2854
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,840
that we're talking about.

2855
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:45,840
» Okay.

2856
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:47,840
» So, we're setting up date for 9:00

2857
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,360
tonight.

2858
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:53,320
» So, we're doing it 9:00 2:00 and and

2859
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,320
I'll I'll determine the location.

2860
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,720
» But, you know, I do want to say

2861
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:58,040
something. I think I I've emailed

2862
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,600
everybody that that asked me about the

2863
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,520
Flock Cameras or that they didn't email

2864
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,640
me.

2865
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,960
You know, I I just want everybody to

2866
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,320
understand like this is obviously this

2867
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:06,000
is a very serious conversation. People

2868
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,880
have their concerns with them. There

2869
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,040
wasn't any malicious intent by the city

2870
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,440
or Chief Kilgore when they put these in.

2871
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:14,080
You know, um these have been out for

2872
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:16,440
since 2018 now. Um you know what I mean?

2873
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,760
And it wasn't until a few weeks prior to

2874
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:19,880
the last meeting that people really

2875
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:22,400
started uh gravitating towards some of

2876
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:24,240
the misuse or mishandling of these um

2877
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,520
type of type of machinery, right? So, we

2878
01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:27,600
all know that cameras have been around

2879
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,720
for a long time, etc., etc. But, Chief

2880
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:31,360
Kilgore lives here, you know, Matt is a

2881
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:33,320
former officer, you know what I mean?

2882
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:35,480
And we can trust in him to keep us safe.

2883
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:37,600
We're the safest city in Kentucky for a

2884
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:38,960
reason uh year after year. It's because

2885
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,920
of our police chief and our fire

2886
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:42,920
department and our administration, our

2887
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,080
executive branch, and our council.

2888
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,040
Uh so, when they brought this to our

2889
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:47,680
attention, you know, we did ask about

2890
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,560
them, but there wasn't as much concern

2891
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,880
at the time as there is now. So, I would

2892
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:53,480
ask that people just give him a chance

2893
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:56,600
to understand what he where he was

2894
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:57,960
coming from on these. And he's a family,

2895
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:59,560
he grew up here, and we all want to keep

2896
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,400
him safe. So, there was no malicious

2897
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,840
intent by anybody or or something. Now,

2898
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,720
things could come to light. Obviously,

2899
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,680
we're reviewing those and getting an

2900
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,440
understanding a little bit more

2901
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,160
ourselves.

2902
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:09,640
» I think it's I mean, I think that you

2903
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:11,360
should also consider the fact that we're

2904
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,920
talking about civilian people, and there

2905
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,560
wasn't notice about this issue

2906
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:17,760
particularly. Um that doesn't exactly

2907
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,480
scream transparency, and if we're all

2908
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:20,760
worried about, you know, how we can

2909
01:39:19,480 --> 01:39:22,000
» Thank Thank you, Allison. You could If

2910
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,800
you wanted to sign up, you could have

2911
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,400
signed up earlier on in this. You know

2912
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:27,240
what I mean? That's what this podium is

2913
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,960
for. We allow people to talk, and we

2914
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:30,400
have nice conversations.

2915
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,800
I understand that.

2916
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:35,200
Um it was in the budget. It was It did

2917
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,400
say Flock Cameras on the budget. I asked

2918
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,400
the question about it in April at the

2919
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:40,160
budget meeting. I asked, "Can you tell

2920
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:41,720
me these? I'm not for them." You know

2921
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,840
what I mean? It wasn't like we didn't

2922
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,000
ask, but you also have to understand how

2923
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,120
many line items there are and how much

2924
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,920
stuff we're going to ask. We ask a lot

2925
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:50,680
of questions and you have to entrust in

2926
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:52,080
the people that keep us safe.

2927
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,320
Um if you can't do that, then what's the

2928
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:55,120
point of having them? You know what I

2929
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:57,920
mean? So, I trust Chief Gilbert and I

2930
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:59,640
trust Chief O'Malley to give us the

2931
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,360
right decisions to keep us safe and make

2932
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,400
us safe and more safe because of them.

2933
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:04,600
So, I think that we are having a

2934
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,720
discussion now on them. We're going to

2935
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,880
have it on September 2nd. I'm very happy

2936
01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:10,360
about that that we have it. It's only

2937
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:12,080
been 30 days since we discussed that and

2938
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,360
then we are putting a bunch of people

2939
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,320
with lives like you said that try to

2940
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,520
gather. And we also want time to gather

2941
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,800
information from you guys with your

2942
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:21,080
questions. So, it isn't a battle back

2943
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:22,440
and forth. And you know, like

2944
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:27,040
City Administrator Kramer said, "Please

2945
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:28,520
back the information with facts." So, um

2946
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,920
I appreciate I appreciate everybody's

2947
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,120
concern about it. But we wouldn't have

2948
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,760
found out about it if it wasn't for

2949
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:33,760
everybody, you know.

2950
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:36,720
You and me and Seth.

2951
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:37,760
» What's that?

2952
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:40,560
» You and me and Seth and me and Seth.

2953
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,880
» Yeah, me and Seth. Yeah, me and you. So,

2954
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:43,240
and here's my card right here. So, if

2955
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,640
anybody wants to ask any questions,

2956
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,480
here's my card, here's my email address.

2957
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:47,720
Please come grab it. This is the light

2958
01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,040
board or anything else and I will relay

2959
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:51,200
those questions on.

2960
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:53,400
» You all want before we leave, there's

2961
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:54,200
only one case out there about Flock.

2962
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:55,920
It's I think

2963
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,120
it's on appeal before circuit court of

2964
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,200
appeals.

2965
01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,680
That's the only one that's concerning

2966
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,400
about Flock.

2967
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,480
The other one is a case the Supreme

2968
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,320
Court came down with

2969
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:04,080
» Can you write that down?

2970
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,000
» Oh.

2971
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:08,960
Called Shatry or something and say uh

2972
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,960
it involved using a

2973
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:13,280
like a Google

2974
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,280
kind of geo fence to find somebody rob

2975
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:16,760
the bank. And so, when you hear people

2976
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,920
talking about a court case the Supreme

2977
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:19,640
Court,

2978
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:22,240
there's a

2979
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:25,600
argument some may try to extrapolate

2980
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:27,920
that somehow that reasoning applies. But

2981
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:30,120
I've heard people post on social media

2982
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:31,680
quotes that are being said. That's not

2983
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:34,400
necessarily true. There There's like I

2984
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:36,560
said, there's only one case that is at

2985
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,040
the court of appeals level.

2986
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,160
That's the only one I'm about Flock

2987
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:42,440
right now.

2988
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:44,200
» It's kind of working its way to get a

2989
01:41:42,440 --> 01:41:46,520
a decision from

2990
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:49,080
a bind. You know, if you have like

2991
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:51,520
9th or like 11th appellate courts,

2992
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,560
federal ones are kind of the

2993
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:55,520
right below the Supreme Court. So, when

2994
01:41:53,560 --> 01:41:56,920
they rule, until they rule, you're not

2995
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,560
really going to have a clear federal

2996
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:00,320
guidance on that issue.

2997
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,640
» I think this can can we put a pause on

2998
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:04,240
the use of Flock cameras until we have

2999
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,240
this meeting?

3000
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,250
» If we make a cut down,

3001
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:08,320
» I mean,

3002
01:42:08,250 --> 01:42:10,920
» [snorts]

3003
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:13,880
» I mean, I would I would

3004
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:16,400
I would be for a pause on them.

3005
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:17,440
» I know Angie and

3006
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:18,320
Mics, please.

3007
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:20,240
» Sorry. Sorry.

3008
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:21,640
» Um um

3009
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,720
just turning them on like if there's an

3010
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,520
animal or a wreck or something in the

3011
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,840
meantime, which I'd be okay with.

3012
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:27,520
» Yeah. I mean, I'd be okay.

3013
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,640
» There's that way for us to manually

3014
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,000
We'd have to have Flock them out and

3015
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,680
turn them off.

3016
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,920
So, that's the way to do that.

3017
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,880
» Do you anticipate having representation

3018
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:39,480
from Flock at this meeting?

3019
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,240
» Everybody I've talked to they don't want

3020
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:43,880
Flock there, um but we haven't

3021
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:47,360
we haven't figured out where to have

3022
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,360
them there. No, we've discussed that.

3023
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:53,960
» All right. So, 9th is the 2nd is the

3024
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,720
meeting. All right. Forensic audit.

3025
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:59,080
» So, the forensic audit I was hoping to

3026
01:42:55,720 --> 01:43:02,600
set a time. Um I have not gotten

3027
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:05,000
um email or text messages back from from

3028
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:08,360
them to set it. My goal was to set it

3029
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,440
before that week after um

3030
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:12,160
September 9th. That's a That's a

3031
01:43:10,440 --> 01:43:13,560
Wednesday as well. I don't know if if

3032
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,120
everybody can check their calendars real

3033
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,560
quick.

3034
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,320
» We'll do it on September 9th if you

3035
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:16,600
don't mind.

3036
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:17,520
» Okay.

3037
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,920
» If we're going to have that first

3038
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:20,760
reading of the tax rate on the 8th,

3039
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:21,840
» Okay.

3040
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:22,880
» I think you're right. It's the 8th the

3041
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:25,080
first reading of the tax.

3042
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:27,280
» Yes.

3043
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,280
» Um

3044
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,880
» I mean, we are still waiting on a

3045
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,400
report, but I'm I'm What I'd like to do

3046
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,840
is give them some sort of target date

3047
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,720
that they're going to they have to have

3048
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:36,120
it wrapped up.

3049
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,320
» What about the following?

3050
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:38,480
» Well, can we do it Yeah, can we just do

3051
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:39,400
it at the council meeting? Remember our

3052
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,120
scheduled council meeting?

3053
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,200
» I think it's going to be probably

3054
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:45,320
longer.

3055
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:47,920
And but the goal for that one as well is

3056
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:51,280
the auditors will will brief council on

3057
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:53,880
the whole situation. I want to have our

3058
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:57,040
our actual auditors there as well to be

3059
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:58,960
able to put their input. And then once

3060
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:01,560
that's explained, council will ask their

3061
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:02,760
question and then we open it up to

3062
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:04,240
citizens to be able to bring their

3063
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,360
questions while everybody all the

3064
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:08,080
subject matter experts are there.

3065
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:10,120
So, I I don't really want to combine it

3066
01:44:08,080 --> 01:44:11,960
with another meeting because

3067
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:14,440
if we did it today, we would start the

3068
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:16,480
meeting maybe at 9:00 p.m.

3069
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:18,560
So, I I want to have a separate meeting

3070
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:20,640
for that.

3071
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,360
So, I

3072
01:44:20,640 --> 01:44:23,880
if if council can just give me their

3073
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:26,480
availability, you know, that second,

3074
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:27,840
third week of September, if if there's

3075
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:28,920
any that they're out of town type of

3076
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:30,920
things.

3077
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,960
Uh, or just keep a keep an eye on that.

3078
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:34,720
I I really want to get

3079
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:37,800
um, Dean Dorton had given me a bunch of

3080
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:40,160
dates, but then they they wanted to run

3081
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:43,080
an additional analysis and they asked

3082
01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:44,560
for a couple more pieces of information.

3083
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,880
Um, but I still want to knock that out.

3084
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:47,880
So, that by the end of this week I'd

3085
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,600
like to have that date set. So, once I

3086
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:51,320
talk to them, I'll kick those dates out

3087
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,320
to council so we can try to have it set

3088
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:54,560
by the end of this week.

3089
01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:55,440
» I'm good the weekend of the 14th.

3090
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,640
» Okay.

3091
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,320
» What's in between the two council

3092
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,320
meetings, correct?

3093
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,640
» Yeah.

3094
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:01,720
» And I'm able to understand that, but

3095
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:03,760
once you once the city receives the

3096
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:05,480
report from the auditors,

3097
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,640
will receive that report ahead of that

3098
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:07,920
public meeting. We're going to have to

3099
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,000
» Correct.

3100
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,960
» So, do we expect to receive that report

3101
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,080
this week?

3102
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:14,120
» No, I

3103
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,920
» Not not not us, the city.

3104
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:16,200
» I don't know. I doubt I doubt it.

3105
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,520
» Okay.

3106
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:21,360
» I mean, I the last time I talked to him

3107
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:22,000
was on Friday, maybe Thursday. So,

3108
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:23,760
uh,

3109
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:26,520
I'm just trying to get them to to commit

3110
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:27,960
to some dates for them.

3111
01:45:26,520 --> 01:45:29,360
But we'll shoot for the week of the

3112
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:30,600
14th.

3113
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:34,480
If council can just take a look at their

3114
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,480
dates and see if anybody's out of town.

3115
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:38,160
That's our week.

3116
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,600
14th, 15th, 16th.

3117
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,600
» I'm good.

3118
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,360
» Thank you.

3119
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:46,480
» Look, I don't mean to be a stick in the

3120
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:48,840
mud. We could do that week prior. Just I

3121
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:51,280
my only request would be to

3122
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:52,720
maybe not that Wednesday night. Uh

3123
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,400
» Well, again, just

3124
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,800
I've got to make sure Dean Dorne can be

3125
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:55,080
there.

3126
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,800
» Yeah.

3127
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,200
» Our auditor

3128
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,360
seven elected officials

3129
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,000
So, it's just

3130
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:04,280
I I those are the two that are really I

3131
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,640
need to make sure they can get there.

3132
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:09,600
So, we'll we'll get it we'll get it

3133
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:11,200
ironed out before the end of the week.

3134
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:12,480
» I just emailed him that, but I am out of

3135
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,560
town

3136
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:15,040
5th to

3137
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:17,280
But I think I'll be back

3138
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:17,280
» Okay.

3139
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,720
All right, is that it?

3140
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:24,440
Uh new business. I did have a request

3141
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:26,320
from a

3142
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:28,000
a uh citizen called me last night, and I

3143
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:31,560
think it's a hard request.

3144
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:32,960
Um and it's for a shaded area at the

3145
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,040
pickleball courts.

3146
01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:36,240
So, now first I thought they wanted to

3147
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,400
shade the whole pickleball courts. I

3148
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:38,360
started Googling shaded pickleball

3149
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:40,000
courts.

3150
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,360
Not that easy.

3151
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,360
Uh but I

3152
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,560
I was like, I don't think we can do

3153
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:45,800
that. I've never seen tennis courts like

3154
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:47,440
that, but I do think a couple benches

3155
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,160
and some shade uh would

3156
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:52,320
» We've added benches. We've added trees.

3157
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:55,520
It's just going to take about 5 years.

3158
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:57,120
We We have looked We We I've talked to

3159
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:59,280
them about it. We've looked at a bunch

3160
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:01,320
of different options um

3161
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,880
but the triangle shades to be put down

3162
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,280
there.

3163
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,200
» Not on actual courts, but like

3164
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,520
» Right on the on the outside.

3165
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,600
We're

3166
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,240
» So, we're investigating that. Something

3167
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:09,720
that we believe

3168
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:11,520
» I know we We've gotten quotes on that.

3169
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,640
It's I know everything you think is

3170
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,760
easy, but it's not.

3171
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:15,160
» No, that was That was just a

3172
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,480
» Cuz you have grass underneath these

3173
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:19,080
shades. These shades have to be brought

3174
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:20,680
down at certain points of the year uh

3175
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:21,760
and they're not just like the ones you

3176
01:47:20,680 --> 01:47:23,360
use on your deck.

3177
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,560
» Well, I know what's uh sale shades are,

3178
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:26,760
but there are permanent ones. We have a

3179
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:28,480
permanent structure at the dog park,

3180
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,840
right? It's four posts and a roof,

3181
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:30,120
right? And we have shelters everywhere.

3182
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,280
» Right.

3183
01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:31,480
» Everywhere, right? And those don't come

3184
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,160
down.

3185
01:47:31,480 --> 01:47:35,320
» And we can if we do a we can do some

3186
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,640
sort of small shelter down there if

3187
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,440
council wanted that.

3188
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,600
» I think that's not a bad idea. There's a

3189
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:40,560
lot of people out there a lot of people

3190
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,360
waiting.

3191
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,120
That's the unfortunate thing when you

3192
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:45,280
add in those type of areas like tennis

3193
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,680
courts are

3194
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,560
it's a wide open space and there's not a

3195
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:52,040
lot of trees.

3196
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:52,040
» I think we should consider something.

3197
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:58,440
» Anybody else disagree with that?

3198
01:47:56,960 --> 01:48:00,000
» I said down here.

3199
01:47:58,440 --> 01:48:00,960
» The top.

3200
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,200
You know, that's the problem, too. The

3201
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,440
sun comes at different angles and

3202
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,000
different directions, so they have to be

3203
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:06,640
lower cuz if not the sun's going to be

3204
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,880
coming through regardless.

3205
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,640
So, it's all about the orientation of

3206
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,800
it.

3207
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:13,400
» What about like if you just do lower in?

3208
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:15,840
» Yes. Okay. I'll get prices for council

3209
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,840
looking.

3210
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:20,520
» All right. Ordi- ordinances and

3211
01:48:18,440 --> 01:48:24,600
resolutions and orders.

3212
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,600
» You got ordinance 07-07-2026.

3213
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,520
It's the second reading. It's an

3214
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:31,760
ordinance updating the unified

3215
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:35,680
development ordinance. That's your text

3216
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:36,960
amendments changing your UDL.

3217
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,800
And this is the second reading. You'll

3218
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,760
need a motion and a second.

3219
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,000
» Move to approve.

3220
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,000
» Second.

3221
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:49,080
» Okay, we got a first and a second.

3222
01:48:46,280 --> 01:48:49,080
Any discussion?

3223
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:50,680
All in favor?

3224
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:53,040
» All right.

3225
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:54,200
» Yeah, I'll go by that.

3226
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,240
Eric Strange?

3227
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,040
» Aye.

3228
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:56,680
» Lauren McIntosh?

3229
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:57,360
» Aye.

3230
01:48:56,680 --> 01:48:58,280
» Brett Pannel?

3231
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:58,920
» Aye.

3232
01:48:58,280 --> 01:48:59,920
» Adam Bell?

3233
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:00,920
» Abstain.

3234
01:48:59,920 --> 01:49:01,880
» Ben Hendry?

3235
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,320
» Aye.

3236
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,320
» Pass.

3237
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:09,320
» Now you have ordinance 08-

3238
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,880
2026, an ordinance repealing the bike

3239
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,280
ordinance. And here's the reason for

3240
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,480
this.

3241
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:15,800
Because essentially we're just repealing

3242
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:18,400
what you have because what you're

3243
01:49:15,800 --> 01:49:19,920
proposing is

3244
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,920
you really can't change it. You're you

3245
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:24,800
basically going from traditional bikes

3246
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:27,440
to now scooters, e-bikes and then now.

3247
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:29,920
So, it's kind of just scrap that, go

3248
01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:31,760
back to the drawing board. Now,

3249
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,280
should you all decide not to do the

3250
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,640
second reading or change the other one,

3251
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:37,720
I would suggest your second reading of

3252
01:49:35,640 --> 01:49:39,840
this coincide or else you'd be left

3253
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:41,920
without anything at that point. So,

3254
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:44,480
that's all this first reading is

3255
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,480
basically.

3256
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:50,160
The next one is ordinance 09-2026,

3257
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:51,640
which is the ordinance adopting a new

3258
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:55,040
bike ordinance, which I think you

3259
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:57,880
already discussed earlier tonight.

3260
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,880
I'm closing the orders.

3261
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:02,520
» They'll be another one in a minute. So,

3262
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,520
both of those.

3263
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:08,760
» Now, you have a resolution R-02-2026

3264
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:11,280
is the previous document

3265
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:15,600
for the CPP grant,

3266
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:16,800
which is a $521,000

3267
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,000
dollars.

3268
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:20,200
I don't remember if I went over what it

3269
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,200
is.

3270
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:23,760
» I need a motion and a second for that

3271
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:25,480
one.

3272
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:27,120
Second.

3273
01:50:25,480 --> 01:50:29,400
All in favor?

3274
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:29,680
Any opposed?

3275
01:50:29,400 --> 01:50:31,640
Thank you.

3276
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:33,240
» Yes, and your last is executive order

3277
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,600
03-2026,

3278
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:36,760
which requires no action by council.

3279
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:38,920
It's just mayor advising you that he has

3280
01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:40,960
appointed Zach Vance

3281
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:42,040
as a police officer for Fort Thomas

3282
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:43,760
city.

3283
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:46,600
The chief already brought that up in his

3284
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,600
report as well.

3285
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,000
» One thing I wanted to ask you another

3286
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,920
question.

3287
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:51,920
So, that's kind of crazy.

3288
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:57,840
Uh so, you guys have any questions or

3289
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:59,200
comments or anything? So,

3290
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:01,800
All right. This is the council meeting

3291
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:01,800
we're ending. So,

3292
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:07,800
Second.

3293
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:08,760
» Thanks.

3294
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,080
All in favor?

3295
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,080
All right.