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And we have quite a few things to cover. There's some amendments to the agenda that we need to make publicly.

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We're going to move item four and number one, we're going to move four ahead of number one.

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Make sure everybody is clear on that. Item six will be struck.

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That should not have been on the agenda. Okay?

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It's wondering why we're going here.

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Alright, having said that, let's move to roll call. Let the record show all the president accounted for.

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And we'll move down to item B, which is citizen input.

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If there are some citizens here that would like to address the board relative to an issue that is on the agenda,

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you can come to podium, you can name and address, and before we'll be yours.

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Having seen a motion, we'll go to board updates, and we have one board update.

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We'll have our chairman, our DDA, Jim McGarr, come up and give us an update.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Well, thanks and good evening.

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Thanks for the opportunity for us to give you an overview of the DDA.

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I understand that this is a new practice, and that we're the first.

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So, second. Okay, we're the second. We're the first today.

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We're the first today.

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So I wanted to give you a little bit of overview about some of the things we've got going on.

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First, let's talk about what is a DDA.

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It was actually established by Georgia legislation, and it was established for every municipality in the state of Georgia.

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But the municipality had to actually activate its DDA before it became approaching the body.

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Norcross has activated its DDA, and it's been in operation for several years.

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This is the purpose. It's basically focused pretty much on the downtown business district.

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In our case, there's a map that actually shows the area that we updated last year

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in conjunction with another project for which we were the conduit for tax-exempt bonds.

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But our focus is on revitalization and redevelopment of the central business district

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to derive value for the municipality and the state of Georgia.

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There are some things that we can do, develop and promote downtowns that's sort of implicit in the mission,

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make long-range plans or proposals for downtowns, financing.

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Loans, grants, leases, bonds.

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We can execute contracts and agreements as a board.

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so tax-full and tax-exempt.

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we became the conduit for the issuance of those taxes and bonds.

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with other organizations within the city as possible or as appropriate

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so that we can work together toward a common end.

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You can see from this description that we're not like the other boards and committees in town

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because we've got these separate partners, or these separate powers.

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We're not an independent entity, but we're a quasi-government entity with these additional powers.

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So I want to let you know who's currently on your DDA.

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John Bemis is the deputy chair, the vice chair of the DDA.

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He's on travel.

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He's an executive vice president with JLL with 36 years of commercial real estate experience.

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Norwood Davis, who's here with us, is the CFO of 12 Stone Church.

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You see some pretty big numbers up there.

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He's got a big operation.

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Over 100 million dollars in commercial real estate projects

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manages a half million square feet of property across the multiple campuses

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with a $35 million annual budget.

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Jim Meyer, who's also here.

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I thought I saw you sneak in.

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in evaluation, acquisition, and construction management.

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He's a mechanical engineer with Pond & Company.

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He's been a great add to the board because he's been able to go out to some of the properties that we have

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Tim Morisco, who's also here.

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44 years in the electrical industry in a whole variety of roles

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some of the projects that are under our preview right now.

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while it's under consideration for possible redevelopment.

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while we're considering redevelopment options.

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mixed-use multi-family.

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they bought the property from us.

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with some thoughts that they've got.

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for Butteford Highway.

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as that starts to play out.

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for some of that redevelopment

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for redevelopment financing.

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the parking that we expect to come online

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The Brunswick and the library.

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And those being

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not a really long

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ways away but certainly

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not up front

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but

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if you go into

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Cater for example you're going to

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you're going to want a couple of blocks from where

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if you find the location.

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So

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so

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the parking

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either one of those parkings would be at least

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no further away than

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I'm just

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that's how I was going to ask you

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how

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how do you see that

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getting resolved

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can you

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anticipate somebody saying well

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it's really not that far

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or do you think we really have to do something

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we've had variants of those

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very discussions with each of these folks

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especially the ones that we got to the point

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where we were exchanging edits

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on LOI grounds

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and they just

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and I can't say from what they told us

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that that was the sole

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showstopper but it was one of the things

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when it fell apart

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and we were talking to them

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why did you back away

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that was one of the factors that's been mentioned

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in the system

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Any suggestions to what we could do to make that better, because it doesn't really seem like it's that far away, but when I get it, it's not right out front.

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I don't know if you've had a chance to look at the parking studies.

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Yes, I have.

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Because there have been a number of those down there for several years.

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Well, one of them proposed a parking garage right where that parking lot between the cotton jib and the city hall.

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Yeah, yeah, I've heard that mentioned.

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There's a potential for a parking deck over around a community center, which is part of the phase two property.

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But that doesn't seem like it would be a, you know, it would still be at the same place.

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There might be more parking there.

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Several years ago, there was discussion about the pad on the other side of the fountain.

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You know, you've got pad 9 on one side, then the fountain in the pad on the other side.

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About making that a graveled or a grass, grass squares, grass papers.

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So you could still use it to host a farmer's market or something that you could also use it for parking.

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I mean, there have been a number of options and discussed about parking much closer.

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I think, sir, I think what we're hopeful that once those original parking lots come along,

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that once they see it, and it's real, I mean, if you're trying to put in a restaurant,

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you got to pay a monthly night every month.

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You're not going to be able to wait.

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And the solution isn't visible.

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It may not be there for six months. You're not going to sign up for that.

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Well, and now that the city is on the verge of getting a shuttle,

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that could positively affect this.

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But that's not been in the mix when we had these prior discussions.

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Yeah, this is all kind of evolving as I can't talk.

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And that was my next question, is would that shuttle make the job easier?

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I think that would have a positive contribution to those discussions.

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I have three quick questions.

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It's kind of thinking about Bruce.

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How many spots are they saying, are there any kind of, we just need more parking?

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Just telling me that you need more parking doesn't solve me anything.

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Where do you want parking? How many more do you need?

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Because we've had discussions about closing Brit or making Brit one way and adding 12 spaces there.

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I think a little bit is kind of what you're talking about.

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Once they see it, it'll be there.

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But if they have unrealistic expectations, I need 100 spaces.

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We're not going to be able to cobble together 100 spaces.

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Well, I don't know. In the discussions I've had, I've not gotten into a specific number.

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Jim, do you have some insight?

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The retail has been parked at 10 per thousand.

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So for a 32-hundred square foot building, you're looking for 30 to 40 spaces.

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What they're really looking for is also some convenience spaces

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so that they can have LA parking and other extra things.

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I'm sure it would be perfect for that.

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We just have to put...

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Yeah, so it's not necessarily, you know, we have some folks who are working

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that are used as sort of a small, urban downtown area where people find a parking place.

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But the higher-end restaurants want to be able to offer some type of ballet

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and where you're going to park those cars.

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So a ballet, once there's 50 spaces opened up at Brunswick, that's perfect ballet.

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It's a little park. You know, they probably would park here better than down there.

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It's not the customer that's going back and forth.

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But if you think about a runner, that's pretty good.

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That's a pretty good slow period.

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That'd be a good check. You'd have to tip them well.

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Okay.

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Well, I still think...

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So my first year as chair, I got with Dan Watch when he was on the bus there.

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And we looked at the county design standards for parking.

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And we looked at possible options.

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One of the things we looked at was basically a deck and a half behind the community center.

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There'd have to be some phase two adjustment if we were to go that way.

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And that yielded, I think, 154 spaces total.

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But, you know, we've explored options.

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Yeah. I mean, we've had this discussion for years.

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For me, and not even before you yet, paying for a parking deck

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when autonomous vehicles and other mode stretch patients are coming on board,

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paying for a parking deck for 30 years is a hard thing to do.

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But...

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You could turn them into heel porn for your own.

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Or we could...

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There's a lot of discussions around turning those into

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building a parking deck that can convert into a home.

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So I like 30,000 foot things.

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And I know that you're the...

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I'd really like to look at 30,000 foot things.

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So the economic disadvantages that you're facing here.

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We're dealing with some PDR stuff tonight.

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Is it strictly that because we do not allow apartments at that location,

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that's why it's not economically viable?

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Or is it they just can't make it work with the current EDM?

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The current zoning allows 35 units?

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It's a density.

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Yeah. It's a density thing.

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You know, with three acres, it's got $800 million an acre.

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35 units is tough to make in.

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But they're over $100,000 a door.

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Yeah. That's what Matt said.

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It's just the dirt costs too much.

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Yeah. So, you know, it's...

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But, yeah, it's a density thing.

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All right. This may not be used, Jim.

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So I apologize in advance.

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And it's not a 30,000 foot thing.

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It's about as detailed as Josh used to get.

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So I apologize.

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There's a power box right there at the front of the Brunswick.

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And it's too late for us to do anything.

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But this massive gateway to our city,

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there is a bus of a power box just sitting there.

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How did that come into play?

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Was there anywhere else we could have put it?

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It's too late now.

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But the real question is,

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would Brunswick or whoever,

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would the city allow us to have some sort of artwork on that

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instead of just a big brown box at the gateway to our city?

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Do you?

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I suspect we could find some way to treat it

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or to disguise it or to hide it.

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Okay.

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We somewhat would have between the library

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and Brunswick there would be another box,

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a junction box.

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It could possibly be what Steve...

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Steve.

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That box between the Brunswick and Brunswick

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could possibly be 4P, right?

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The junction box is not 3P, though.

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3P.

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We might have to do some type of deck or two,

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like landscape and artwork.

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But we control those.

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Okay.

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I would love for us to have some sort of local artists come out.

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We've had people ask about that before.

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Okay.

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At the city artwork,

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we've done research on it.

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It's all a fend itself for cooling.

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And it's, you know, it's whatever you got.

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Yeah, I suspect even if we had to put a temperament

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around it or something like that.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Thank you, Jeff.

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Thanks for coming today.

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I have a working question.

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Okay.

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The parking deck, the structure itself

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is folded by the...

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Is that right?

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Is that right?

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What was that deal?

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When was it, John?

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About two weeks ago?

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About two weeks ago, yes.

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Yeah.

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It's part of the overall purchase and sale agreement

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for the entire 3.6, whatever it was, 3.3 acres.

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The deal was the developer purchased the entire acreage.

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They began immediately after they purchased it,

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they sold back to the DEA,

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the portion where the apartment buildings are going to be

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in the remaining portion,

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which is the parking garage.

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They constructed the parking garage

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and then the DEA purchased the parking garage

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back for the developer.

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So it is owned by the DEA right now.

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Right.

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And so the lease,

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tenant lease of the parking spaces

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is what eventually gets you...

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That will generate revenues back to us.

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Is it like a lease to own

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or is it a perpetuity owned by the DEA

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and get any lease to own?

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They have a perpetual right

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to, I think, 258 spaces.

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As long as they keep paying the rental form.

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The amount that they're paying in red

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is designed to pay off the $7 million,

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I think the $7 or $8 million revenue bond.

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And then at the end of that,

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the amount of the lease payment goes down.

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But they have a perpetual...

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The apartments are worthless

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if you don't have parking.

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Sure, I understand that.

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So they have a perpetual right

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to have the use of those license agreement

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if you want to use those 258 spaces.

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So the parking deck,

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there's a lease amount that the DEA gets.

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And once the deck is paid off,

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the lease is reduced,

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then the lease amount is reduced.

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Do you have an idea how long that is?

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Gosh, 30 years.

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30 years.

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So at 30 years now,

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then that low-release payment is revenue.

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Yes.

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And that's a permit.

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And where is the 50 units

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that are part of the city's use?

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50 spaces.

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No, is it in that 258 number

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or is there actually...

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There's actually close to 300 spaces in there.

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So not all of those spaces

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are allocated for apartment-right residents.

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Yes.

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Only a portion.

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And the 50-ish that are reserved for city use

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are over and above that,

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that we're talking about

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for whatever parking we need

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for emergency services.

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Okay.

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The higher-lease rate goes to 2045.

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And then that...

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Okay, so just say that everything gets paid back

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by 2045.

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No, unless we'll see it.

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Medical advantage?

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One more question.

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I know I will see it.

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There's some of us that will see it.

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Morality of us will see it.

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One more question.

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Without going into something that's really long,

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what does the DDA need

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for mayor and council for us

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to be able to effectively park?

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I think the best thing is communication

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early in the process.

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So as we explore these options,

530
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,000
I would say,

531
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,000
we just identified these two weeks ago

532
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000
in our planning retreat.

533
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,000
So we've got a little bit more research to do.

534
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,000
But as we get a little further along

535
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
with a little better definition,

536
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
we're going to be coming back to talk.

537
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
We would ask for the same thing.

538
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
If you've got thoughts

539
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,000
about things that ought to be

540
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,000
considered for downtown,

541
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
let us know early.

542
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
Not after you've

543
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,000
into deal, but early.

544
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,000
So we can coordinate our efforts

545
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,000
and collaborate.

546
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000
Anybody else with thoughts

547
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
about what you need from mayor and council?

548
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,000
Does that take you a bit?

549
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000
I think it does.

550
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,000
Any other council questions?

551
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Jim, thank you so much. We appreciate it.

552
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
I'd like to just express thanks

553
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
for what the guys do.

554
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,000
It's a lot of work.

555
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000
No pay, it's all volunteer

556
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
to get it.

557
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,000
There are some folks like Jim

558
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
that's been the point person

559
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
for some of the discussions

560
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,000
on the restaurant and church options.

561
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000
And that takes,

562
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,000
fortunately, he's got a lot of flexible

563
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,000
calendar space.

564
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
I can imagine.

565
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
So thank you very much.

566
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,000
Thank you Jim.

567
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Okay, smart meter up there.

568
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Okay.

569
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,000
I've got this wealth of knowledge

570
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,000
over here from our smart meters

571
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000
that we're going to give a Q&A on.

572
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,000
We're going to hear smart meters

573
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,000
which are also going to hear AM models.

574
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Automated meter and infrastructure.

575
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000
We've put out an RFP.

576
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,000
What we're trying to do is replace

577
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,000
our existing AMI system

578
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,000
with a TANLIS system.

579
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
And Marybeth thought it would be a good idea

580
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,000
for us to do a Q&A session.

581
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
So I've got

582
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000
Brian James

583
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,000
from Electric Seas at Georgia

584
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000
who's the director of

585
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000
engineering.

586
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
And then Jonathan Leek

587
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
who is the

588
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,000
project manager

589
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000
of TANLIS, Mr.

590
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000
Dermot O'Leary.

591
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
So

592
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,000
I'm not sure really how we need to

593
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,000
start this, but just

594
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000
we're not here to answer questions that you may have

595
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000
regarding AMI

596
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
and TANLIS

597
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,000
because obviously we're not going to be asking

598
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
about the next

599
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,000
council meeting. Steve, tell us

600
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,000
what a smart meter is.

601
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
So a smart meter is communication between

602
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
the meter back to

603
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
the billing system.

604
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Every meter on the house communicates

605
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
and gives us a lot of good data.

606
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
It gives us solid reads.

607
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000
It gives us a lot of ideas where our

608
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,000
just can be.

609
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000
It's been a very useful tool

610
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,000
for the years that we've had it already

611
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
and we just need to kind of

612
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,000
upgrade our system right now

613
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,000
to TANLIS.

614
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,000
It eliminates the old

615
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,000
manual readers

616
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
that we used to have.

617
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
Meter to meter.

618
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Taking notes.

619
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Caused a lot of problems in the past.

620
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
Yes, a lot of problems.

621
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
So that smart meter technology is something

622
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
that we adopted years ago.

623
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Some time ago and now we're having to update it.

624
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Is that

625
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,000
the basis of mostly 5G and that?

626
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
Yes, that's correct.

627
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Steve, that's...

628
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,000
I got to be able to vote on the last time we did

629
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,000
smart meters.

630
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,000
I may be the only one at the table

631
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000
concerned that

632
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,000
I know technology moves fast

633
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
but our partner is ECG

634
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
with the table that time.

635
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
I don't want to be doing this again.

636
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Of course I probably won't be doing this again,

637
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000
but I don't want another council

638
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,000
to be doing this again in 10 years.

639
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,000
What kind of lifespan do we expect on this?

640
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,000
I know it's much more

641
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
upgradable but how do we kind of

642
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000
not end up here in the same place

643
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000
where we're kind of against the back

644
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
of the wall?

645
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,000
I don't know about that.

646
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Sure.

647
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
Yeah, so

648
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000
the newer technology

649
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,000
is the technology.

650
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
If this isn't distracting, well, you're just going to make that couple of year out.

651
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Yeah, we've got like a season. Yeah, it's all okay.

652
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,000
So you don't just signal me.

653
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:16,000
Handless technology utilizes kind of a, if you want to call it an overlay communication infrastructure,

654
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,000
and that overlay communication structure is a limited number of what we'll call VersaCollector

655
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:27,000
or VersaCons collectors that have some type of backhaul communication to your head end.

656
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,000
So right now what we've been planning is a cellular backhaul communication,

657
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,000
because that's what suits the topology here in your network today.

658
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,000
But ultimately, that's migratable to fiber.

659
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,000
As fiber grows out of your network, you'll be able to connect those collectors to fiber.

660
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,000
So that's somewhat future-proofing, if you want to call it,

661
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:56,000
and eliminating the potential for being obsolete by a network, a telecom network provider, for example.

662
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,000
But besides that, or you could potentially change that, he'll show us in a minute,

663
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:06,000
that those collectors have a slot in there that you just pull out whatever the previous technology was,

664
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
and you put in the newest technology.

665
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,000
So even if we go to 10G five years from now, you'll be able to pull out that 5G cellular card

666
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
if you don't have fiber, and you'll put in the 10G card.

667
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:24,000
So instead of replacing a population of 4,300 meters like you're in this situation today,

668
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:31,000
you'll only really be replacing five or six cellular cards in those collectors.

669
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000
The rest of the communication is being done on an unlicensed 900 megahertz,

670
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,000
what we call local area network communication,

671
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:45,000
and that ultimately will be a, that's a proprietary, if you want to call it, technology

672
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:51,000
that the city will own, and that we've deployed at 175 other utilities similar to yourself,

673
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,000
and that's what TANLIS does. We're focused primarily on public power entities.

674
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:03,000
All 175 customers of ours are small, smaller municipal and or rural cooperatives,

675
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:09,000
and ultimately that technology has been around for decades.

676
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
We expect it to be around for decades again.

677
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Obviously not this individual devices may fail from time to time,

678
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,000
but that overarching technology will be the same.

679
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:26,000
In addition to that, we've got, on our endpoints, we've got, I think, the most powerful microprocessor-based endpoint in the industry today.

680
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:32,000
We've got a Linux-based operating system with five co-processors, a lot of RAM memory,

681
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:39,000
and we actually have a pretty significant capability of configuring our devices for different protocols.

682
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,000
So let's say for example, it's five years from now,

683
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:47,000
you decide that there's a different protocol that may be more appropriate for whatever reason,

684
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000
because you can maybe support additional features that we can't even imagine today.

685
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Well, there's enough processing power in that that we can, over the air, program those devices to different configurations

686
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,000
or different protocols, and multiple protocols for that matter.

687
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,000
So today, for example, these devices can be, and are being read in the rest of some of the other ECG members,

688
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:15,000
for example, are reading not just electric meters, but they're reading water and or gas meters from other technology vendors

689
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,000
that we support, because we've configured those radios with other protocols.

690
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,000
So I think, ultimately, we've architected the system so that it's pretty future-proof,

691
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000
and you have control over most of the elements of that, other than, like I said, the back call you make,

692
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,000
we still have control over that to the extent that if you do develop Fiverr, Fiverr's going to be around for a while,

693
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,000
if we go to 5G, 10G, 20G, you'll be able to place those cards pretty easily,

694
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,000
and at limited cost to you to be able to support your back call.

695
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,000
That's a good question about cost, and I didn't want to jump to that immediately,

696
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,000
but how will this ultimately impact our consumers?

697
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,000
Well, our consumers, last time we had these discussions, there were discussions around,

698
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,000
our consumers will be able to download an app, and they'll be able to find out when it's most efficient for them

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,000
to use their high-power devices, and they'll have some sort of feedback.

700
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
I don't know if that ever came out. Will this technology allow that?

701
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Or will that be on us at ECG, or?

702
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
It will allow it. They don't necessarily have a customer portable.

703
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,000
We did it in our last system, but it wasn't really good.

704
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
I was going to say that, and it wasn't used very often either.

705
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,000
There's very few people that did use it, kind of like we did FreePay that just didn't take off here.

706
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,000
So there's some things that are offered that just don't work in Norcross for whatever reason.

707
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000
All of it, though, is powered by data.

708
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
You have to have the data, good data, reliable data.

709
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
You have to have it in a timely manner.

710
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
And then you can build it evenly.

711
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000
There's different platforms on top of that.

712
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000
They have to get set.

713
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,000
There's a lot of third-party companies that we integrate with,

714
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
partners of ours that can run those analytical engines.

715
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,000
We have a lot of features that are baked in Norcross.

716
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Well, Brian, you're probably going to say that we do.

717
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:08,000
And what we're providing is near real-time two-way communication between your head end and those meters.

718
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000
So the applications that we bolt onto that will take advantage of that,

719
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
whether it's a customer portal, whether it's FreePay.

720
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:24,000
What I was going to suggest, you mentioned different costs for consumers to run different appliances, et cetera.

721
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:32,000
The billing structure in Norcross does not actually have any dependence on time of use at this point.

722
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
So there's really no benefit to knowing that.

723
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,000
However, there is a lot of benefit to knowing what you use.

724
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000
So, for example, if you've got a customer that says,

725
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,000
wow, my bill is $300, how did I get here?

726
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Having incremental data either on an hourly or 15-minute basis is very useful to have a discussion with a customer service agent.

727
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
That's more what we're focused on here.

728
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,000
Would this allow us to roll out the tiered pricing?

729
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
Such as that?

730
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Absolutely, yeah.

731
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,000
We have a lot of customers that once they deploy, they'll change around the billing cycles

732
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,000
that were historically based on routes that a meter man could walk.

733
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Okay, this is going to be one cycle because that's how long you take us to walk.

734
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
You know, you can change around your bill schedules to help catch flow,

735
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:24,000
do different rates like what I'm talking about based on actual consumer usage consumption.

736
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000
And we are trying to do still like a time of use rate,

737
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,000
especially for top-down a lot of requests for the EV cars.

738
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,000
Charger, right?

739
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000
Yeah, that's probably the first step for us will be doing that.

740
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,000
So, is this thing made here?

741
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,000
You've got about, what, how many, you've got about 3,000 meters in the city?

742
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,000
How many?

743
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:52,000
I'm going to have to, we're going to have to ensure that the council has answered any questions.

744
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000
So, it's actually close to the public at this time.

745
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,000
Can you walk me through the communication structure?

746
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,000
You've got an individual reader at every house,

747
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,000
which is, I think you said, it's a 900 megahertz communication to...

748
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,000
To a collector.

749
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,000
To a collector of which there are a half a dozen or so.

750
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000
Or a repeater.

751
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,000
Depending on their, we also have in, we've done a network design here.

752
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,000
And based on that network design, we've identified where to best place those collectors

753
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,000
and where we can economically, but what we call repeaters more economically.

754
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:35,000
And that's basically just, you know, bridging that, that, that jump from the meter to the collector.

755
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,000
And the reason why you do that is because megahertz has a certain distance.

756
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,000
It'll have some restrictions based on, you know, topography or buildings and that sort of thing, correct?

757
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:51,000
And then those half a dozen repeaters or collectors, that's where the fiber comes in, right?

758
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Yeah, which is this box right here.

759
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
This is a, is an IP cable.

760
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:01,000
So this merges the 900 megahertz, which is a 900 megahertz radio down here on the bottom.

761
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,000
Yeah.

762
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:16,000
And then the side here is where you'll have your IP connection, which could be cell modem, fiber, right?

763
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Could be what?

764
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Yeah, they'll sit, sit right, they'll basically sit in that little, in that little rack there.

765
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Right, I just wanted to clarify, when you were talking about, ultimately someday maybe you want to go to fiber,

766
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,000
you're not talking about at each house.

767
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,000
No, you're talking about at the five.

768
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,000
So that's right.

769
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,000
I just wanted to clarify that.

770
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Now we have, the customers are not the confusings.

771
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Our platform is very flexible.

772
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Customers already have, say, fiber at the house.

773
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,000
We have a collector version that goes on the side of a house, can utilize that fiber.

774
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,000
If it's something that you all are interested in in the future, that can be tied in with this type system.

775
00:38:51,000 --> 00:39:03,000
My assumption is that, I think it's a good assumption or not, those single individual readers at each house are, just like a meter today.

776
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Yep.

777
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
You know, if a single point fails, it's fairly easy to fix it.

778
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,000
It's not very expensive.

779
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,000
You're not having to do a whole neighborhood all at once.

780
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:22,000
In technology, 900 megahertz, it's not really, it's not dependent on changes in technology.

781
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000
You're correct.

782
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Correct.

783
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:33,000
Can I add something to, just to kind of take a step back, to kind of clarify why the existing system is hit a wall, so to speak.

784
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000
I'm sure somebody is familiar with this, but just to reiterate.

785
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:45,000
Unlike the system we're talking about today, your current system has a cell mode or a cell phone embedded in each individual meter.

786
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:54,000
So every single one of those 4,500 meters on every single house has a card that basically contains the guts of a cell phone.

787
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:01,000
And unfortunately, those cards are all situated to work on 3G, which you might remember from a phone you may have had 10 years ago.

788
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Yeah.

789
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:09,000
Well, the equipment to talk to that 3G occupies a lot of valuable space on the cell towers around the area.

790
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,000
So the providers are seeking to reduce or eliminate that band if possible, create a bandwidth.

791
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000
That's what we're up against right now.

792
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Horizon basically has called that band.

793
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
And unfortunately, the hardware has all locked that.

794
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,000
So again, the key take home is 4G won't last forever, 5G won't last forever.

795
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,000
But you're changing 6 devices rather than an entire C.

796
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Following with what you said, we put a system up that's dependent on a third party provider for the communication at every single house.

797
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,000
That's what you've got now.

798
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000
This puts a system up that we own that.

799
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
It's not dependent on any third party.

800
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
It's not across powers.

801
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Right.

802
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
Owns that connection.

803
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:04,000
So there's no longer a possibility where Verizon says, oops, I'm going in a different direction.

804
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,000
Sorry.

805
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Right.

806
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:19,000
You're taking the communications in-house and using a tried and true system that's already deployed many different places to build that network.

807
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:26,000
So, you know, 20, 30 years later, those same meters could very well still be talking about some cells on 900.

808
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Probably we have fiber to each collector by that point as my guess.

809
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,000
The most economic in the long run, but you can do whatever you choose.

810
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,000
But again, that's fiber-six connections.

811
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Right.

812
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
And it's hosted, so RIT departments.

813
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I get bogged down with a lot of these series.

814
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Okay, maybe you had a question.

815
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,000
I have lots of questions, but I want to ask them all.

816
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:56,000
So, just from a 5G standpoint, the technology you're about to upgrade to where 900 megahertz, but it's not 5G.

817
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,000
That's talking from house to this node here.

818
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
It's 900 megahertz.

819
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,000
And you're saying, what is that talking to get to out on IP?

820
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
What is this talking to?

821
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Right, from IP.

822
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
This is where you would put a cell mode in.

823
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,000
So it would be a 4G cell mode today?

824
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Whatever you buy.

825
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Whatever you buy, yeah.

826
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Right.

827
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:24,000
And that's why I say at some point, if whatever, if the 5G or 4G gets discontinued, at some point in the future, you'd replace that with whatever the current.

828
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,000
So what are we buying?

829
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,000
4G, I believe.

830
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:35,000
And a quick side note, the 4G LCD machine is supposed to be guaranteed to 2030 on Verizon's network.

831
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
That's a machine that means modems to not hand-held devices.

832
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,000
Right.

833
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,000
So at least you've got 10 years before you have to entertain the 5G or 5G or some other type of backhaul.

834
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,000
Or they'll recall it back because they want it.

835
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Yeah, you hope not.

836
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,000
But okay, so we would own that particular box.

837
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
We would own everything about it.

838
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:02,000
So let's say the city decided if we wanted 5G or 6G, we would be able to just change those out.

839
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:06,000
And then we could deploy that to the community.

840
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,000
So what you would do is you take your modem out.

841
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,000
You disconnect it.

842
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,000
It's an ethernet cable just from here to your modem.

843
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:19,000
You disconnect that cable, take your modem out, put your 5G modem in or whatever technology.

844
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,000
That's just the reason.

845
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
It's not to provide 5G for anybody else at that point.

846
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,000
It's just for the meters.

847
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
This is the backhaul communication.

848
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:33,000
That's the backhaul communication, which is a proprietary backhaul.

849
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Right.

850
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,000
No, the backhaul will be, for example, if you use 4G, it will be a 4G backhaul.

851
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000
Okay, and then it would be yours.

852
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
But you wouldn't walk up to them next to them with your cell phone.

853
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Oh, no, no, no.

854
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Correct.

855
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Right.

856
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,000
You reside only on a server for you guys.

857
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,000
And as Steve mentioned, right now we would propose to you to host that server.

858
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,000
We would take care of that server.

859
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
So we host that on DS Enterprise.

860
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,000
I wanted to change that in the future.

861
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
That can also be changed 10 years from now.

862
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000
You have a big IT staff, and they say you don't need to host anymore.

863
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,000
You can transition that back over to you guys.

864
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,000
It's your data.

865
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,000
Right.

866
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,000
So as far as the meters themselves in the house, what technology do those have in terms of communication?

867
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:28,000
I know there's smart meters out there that allow the consumer themselves to be able to get the information directly without having to go back out.

868
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
They're actually reading their meters.

869
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Does it have ZigBee or Z-Wave?

870
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
It does not.

871
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Well, it's less...

872
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,000
Most of the current systems tend to go through to a server and back down rather than directly.

873
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:49,000
A lot of the earlier ones would have been ZigBee directly, but they never really took hold.

874
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,000
There's a few systems out there that are very rare.

875
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,000
So this particular...

876
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,000
It doesn't have it.

877
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,000
It's not.

878
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,000
But you can still access that data through them.

879
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,000
You can access the data.

880
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,760
If a consumer will access the data through a portal that you would then integrate to your

881
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:10,520
head end that would then pull the data from that device and then cut the consumer to see

882
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,080
his data, history as well as on demand or on request read.

883
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:21,760
Is that part of the contractor? The ability for consumers to look at their own data or

884
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,280
the consumer portal, they support it but we would have to go out there.

885
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,880
That's not part of this contract so what you're doing is that's a capability grant

886
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:36,600
but not an improvement. Some basic access to the city level of course to this data.

887
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:42,680
So for example if you had a customer that wanted to know more it's very easy for

888
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,280
city personnel to open that portal and transfer the data but to the point of

889
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,400
having an app on your phone, no that's not part of what this proposal includes.

890
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Well in fact Brian you mentioned in talking to customers one of the most

891
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,040
powerful things that these systems allow is when customer service people get

892
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,360
calls for high bill complaints often times the customer service rep can go in

893
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,680
and look at the metering data and say well I do notice that you happen to have a

894
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,080
spike on July 3rd. Did you have something happen then? And then they go oh yeah we

895
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,120
did have the kids were over the grandkids were over they turn on the

896
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:22,000
pool heaters and oh yeah that's probably why I had a higher than normal consumption rate so that's...

897
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,880
Yeah I think that's a reactionary way to look at it that people got to call you to figure that out

898
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,240
instead of providing them empowering them to go look at themselves.

899
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:35,120
The technology exists it's not very difficult so a little little disappointed that we

900
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,720
don't we weren't thinking about how to give our consumers the ability to get

901
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,240
this information we're not having to make a phone call or go see something they

902
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:50,120
can go retain themselves if they could that would be be better so so just a

903
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:57,160
because it's a very great point a lot of consumer portals that I really like to

904
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,280
see other ones that are proactive notify customer say when they're trending to that

905
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,600
high bill instead of hey you had a high bill because at that point you already owe it

906
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,280
so we have a lot of our customers integrate a consumer portal that does

907
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,160
just that one of the great things about our platform is we're not going to

908
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:20,520
back you into using a specific consumer portal that you're stuck with. A lot of

909
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,080
consumer portals come with what's called a meter data management system which

910
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,840
you want me to tell a meter data management system as opposed to a consumer

911
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:35,000
portal is MDF is over a hundred K? Yeah that's just standard off the shelf

912
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,640
MDFs are very expensive and it comes with so much analytical data that you

913
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,000
will probably would not find beneficial it's not something that you would you know

914
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,680
get a payback on your investment but it's going to have that consumer portal

915
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,480
that you want. Some of our customers will get kind of a MDM lineup if you will

916
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,640
it's a trend down it has a consumer portal with all those bells and whistles

917
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,920
like you're talking about with the notification email text phone call the

918
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,800
bill thresholds or consumption threshold for those a little more savvy

919
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:13,600
thumb trending towards 50 K of the age you know can be notified and all of those

920
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,280
are option and we can quote those for you as well we just prefer for our customers

921
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:24,400
provide feedback on what is the best fit for that. So these software packages are

922
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,480
available as complete packages that are just integrated. Is it something you

923
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:35,360
developed or is it a third party that you've proved to work within your system?

924
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,560
We will do the interface to integrate into their application we provide the data

925
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:45,320
that powers their application. But there will be an expense and we'll have to first

926
00:48:45,320 --> 00:49:03,320
discover what the ROA is. We can make some recommendations. Go ahead. Go ahead. What I want to clarify also is that not having this option presented as part of the metering package is not exclusive to panelists that all of the RFP was written as such to

927
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:25,320
carve out an apples to apples comparison so that you didn't have you know oh well we're gonna package this with this and you know sign a multiple deal. You know should we want to go down this path we can be more than more than happy to go down that path and go through the RFP process for that portion. I really think it's best to be identified and implemented separately.

928
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:43,320
That's why that was done that way. So again all the providers were bidding on the same thing. And after a few years we'll be saving more money than we're paying right now so yeah that's not really a big deal.

929
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:55,320
How do we how does this interact or I mean we only have five or six customers outside of our outside of you know the coming right right how do we read their they would do cellular for that particular application.

930
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:15,320
How many of those white boxes are we going to have to have throughout the city to provide coverage. You'd have to provide not only the two of them in front of your house.

931
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:26,320
You can decorate. That's for coverage and for the best. You can handle forty five hundred meters where I can have redundancy you know one of them go down.

932
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:38,320
So you said redundancy so now you're answering one other question. Which are uptime percentages currently in other cities that you're working in terms of uptown downtown percentages.

933
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Well we typically in this and aren't we measure in meter rates. So meter rates and typically we're over 99 percent.

934
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:59,320
That's again being part of ECG have been on the other side of seeing a lot of systems installed and also requested and consumed data from them.

935
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:10,320
And you've been consistently both surprised and happy with consistency that you can get through this system. A lot of the bottom actually might have on some of it or other vendors are there.

936
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:18,320
So for example if you want to go out and actually get to a meter you've got a few meters on each collector. So you're able to get to them quicker you can get your data quicker.

937
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:27,320
You don't have mysterious outages where's where was the data for three days that kind of stuff this doesn't happen. Definitely been more pleased with that performance.

938
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,320
We've got it in snake eight deployed already.

939
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,320
Yeah out of 52.

940
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,320
So you remember our panelists.

941
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:53,320
So for panelists in terms of manufacturing and availability let's say five years from now I think that was concerned that I had heard previously that the our competitor the the other GE I'll just say I used to work there.

942
00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:13,320
Is what's what's the outlook in terms of I mean it looks like it sounds like you're growing where you're manufacturing where you know what guarantees as the city of Norcross have as we continue to expand as a city that we can get the hardware to run along with what you have in terms of software in in our network.

943
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:24,320
We use a contract manufacturer to build our devices and that contract manufacturer has facilities basically across the world.

944
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:33,320
So in theory we can move the production to any number of different facilities depending on the of the geopolitical situations in some cases.

945
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,320
So for example three or four years ago we were building a lot of our electronic components in China.

946
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:47,320
But as a result of some of the political things that changed in China that was transferred to that same CMS facility in the Philippines.

947
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,320
So that's where it's being made today.

948
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:58,320
Most of the product the right and as you said right now we've been growing at approximately about 20% per year growth rate.

949
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:06,320
So we're planning from for that of course in anticipation doing that or better going forward with our supply chain.

950
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:14,320
We also are a little bit unique in that we have the ability to fit onto multiple meter vendors platform.

951
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,320
So then that's another benefit that we have whereas in some of our other competitors will force you to single to their own meter.

952
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:26,320
And just like you I used to work at Schlumberger which is now Eitron which is one of the meter managers.

953
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:34,320
But we can we can put our meter our communication module on either an Eitron, Landis gear or a Clara slash GE meter platform.

954
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:43,320
So if there is supply chain issues from a mirroring perspective we do have options for for integrating our comms module into those other options.

955
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,320
And it's been around for 30 years?

956
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:59,320
We've been 30 years yeah and some 20 years and specifically in the AMI industry and some of our in fact our original some of our original AMI deployments that we did in the early 2000s are still in operation today.

957
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:05,320
In terms of power walls and you know feeding energy back to the grid.

958
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:11,320
Can you tell me a little bit more how will this work to do that and give the consumer that information or we're talking out of scope here?

959
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:13,320
No I can.

960
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,320
I can a little bit of that for you.

961
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,320
Between the X from here.

962
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Yeah so that would kind of fall back into your standard bi-directional meter.

963
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,320
This hardware can easily accommodate that.

964
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:37,320
It's just a matter of configuring it properly when it's being deployed or if you have something that wants to add that in going back and reconfiguring a meter such that you capture your up and down flow separately rather than just loving it together like you might do now.

965
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,320
It's different meter.

966
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,320
Nope it's the same meter.

967
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:53,320
This is basically like a computer on the center now because there are six processors in here we use two so it's upgradable and it's over the air upgradable as well so new firmware, new technology, new things like that.

968
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,320
We can tell this meter to do more things.

969
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:01,320
They're configured for delivered energy only out of the box.

970
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:08,320
If I know that this one's going bi-directional I can program it before I send it out and just say you're going to be bi-directional.

971
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,320
Let's say it's already on the side of somebody's house and I say I want to add solar.

972
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,320
Okay let me make sure that you're set up for bi-directional so I can see what you're putting on.

973
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:25,320
You just enter the meter number under the UI go down and edit and you select bi-directional and you're done.

974
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,320
Okay.

975
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,320
So it sends that message to the meter over the air and that completes it.

976
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:42,320
And then in terms of businesses as we grow as a city in terms of businesses you know if we want to do solar panels on parking decks and so on and so forth as we continue to grow and expand our green footprint per se.

977
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,320
Okay.

978
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:50,320
Tell us how from an industrial station so we're talking not just the house meter, we're talking multiple meters.

979
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,320
Can you give us some explanation of how that's going to work?

980
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:55,320
Very similar.

981
00:55:55,320 --> 00:56:04,320
The industrial CNI type meter minus class typically can be configured just about any way you possibly want.

982
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:17,320
So for example if you wanted to capture time of use information in hourly incremental data, up-flow down-flow or receive and deliver data, any of that can be programmed and then pulled back down off of the system.

983
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,320
And then this is being done in other cities already.

984
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,320
So this is not a it could be a it is being done.

985
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,320
And just for reference the probably oldest one will be Thomasville.

986
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:35,320
I think that one was started in 2007 or 2006.

987
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:42,320
And whenever I go to meet an industrial customer there I use data off that system all the time and it's fantastic.

988
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,320
If I can pinpoint down there something that happened to the display.

989
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,320
I don't usually have that flexibility so I'd love to have that.

990
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Can this be rolled out pretty quickly to our customers without interruption?

991
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,320
I mean just quick interruption.

992
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:58,320
So just pull and push.

993
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,320
Just pull and push.

994
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,320
Okay.

995
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,320
But there's no supply chain issues now.

996
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,320
No.

997
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,320
Good to go.

998
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:12,320
One of the bigger ones that came out said we can do this in a timely manner because a lot of people roll the layers out right now and the meters are sometimes hard to come by.

999
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,320
Yes.

1000
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,320
So that was one of the things that was great.

1001
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,320
And so we can iterate the RFP process.

1002
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,320
So it's accessible kind of line over the question of the supply.

1003
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Thank you.

1004
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Is it part of the plan to have 4500 meters do you have a certain number of?

1005
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speakers.

1006
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Oh yeah.

1007
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,320
Yeah.

1008
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:32,320
He was just talking about my direction all the time.

1009
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,320
Can I just go ahead and order a dozen?

1010
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,320
Just in case.

1011
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,320
You know.

1012
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Yeah.

1013
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,320
We would have typically two to three percent on the show.

1014
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,320
Right.

1015
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:46,320
And the same thing with the like a lot of new bad ideas.

1016
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Yeah.

1017
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Be nice to maybe have one.

1018
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,320
Yeah.

1019
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,320
Even if they're overlapping it's us that has to replace it right.

1020
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,320
Not the supplier.

1021
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:03,320
So if you didn't have one on the shelf you'd have to wait until whatever the build time is.

1022
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:04,320
We can do it.

1023
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,320
We just set it up.

1024
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,320
Yeah.

1025
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,320
I want to get a pop out of lightning.

1026
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,320
Yeah.

1027
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,320
You know it's good to have at least a spare chassis.

1028
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,320
The car hits the pole pole.

1029
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:13,320
Yeah.

1030
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:14,320
Rightfully.

1031
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,320
But they did one piece.

1032
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,320
That's nice to have one complete unit.

1033
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:19,320
Yeah.

1034
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,320
We can rock.

1035
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,320
Power supply.

1036
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,320
You know.

1037
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,320
Power to murder.

1038
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:24,320
They're going to sell.

1039
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:25,320
They're going to do whatever.

1040
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,320
Take that out.

1041
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,320
We can take all these cards out.

1042
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Or if you have a box in the car.

1043
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,320
Just pull or something.

1044
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,320
Yeah.

1045
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,320
Okay.

1046
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,320
As we close out the discussion.

1047
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,320
Counselor if you have any other questions you can see Steve.

1048
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,320
He'll be more than happy to either answer your questions or get those questions answered

1049
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,320
for you.

1050
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,320
So.

1051
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,320
I'm local as well.

1052
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,320
I'm over Marietta.

1053
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,320
If you all ever want to have some additional questions something comes up.

1054
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,320
I'd like to be more local.

1055
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,320
I belong to the Atlanta athletic club and I don't get flavoring off.

1056
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:05,320
I don't.

1057
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,320
But thank you all so much.

1058
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,320
We certainly appreciate the effort.

1059
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Thank you.

1060
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:12,320
Okay.

1061
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:17,320
We'll move now to council general discussion.

1062
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:27,320
I have a brief CID update.

1063
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:32,320
CID we had in a meeting on Wednesday.

1064
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,320
Our Wednesday business meeting will be February the 19th.

1065
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,320
1145 is the CID off.

1066
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:45,320
One of the big things we voted on Emory updated us on the lighting district.

1067
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,320
So we voted on a lighting district.

1068
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,320
Just some other stuff.

1069
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,320
But please join us.

1070
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,320
CID is doing great work.

1071
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,320
Also a little bit about the lighting district what it is.

1072
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,320
Yes.

1073
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,320
So.

1074
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,320
Yes.

1075
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,320
So.

1076
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,000
Consider a lighting distance if we work with Georgia Power. This particular one I think is outside the city of North Cross, but we have one coming down Jimmy Carter Boulevard.

1077
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:16,000
It is basically we're going to be replacing and paying for new street lamps. So it really adds a really unique look to the area, the nice street lamps.

1078
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:27,000
And we'll put them on a member's property and then we'll pay the power bill in perpetuity. So it's really a great benefit and we're hoping to get that up on some of our major corridors.

1079
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Also, there is a political debate, so it's the candidate forum, I should say. That will be on the 22nd at the Global Forum right off Jimmy Carter Boulevard, April 2nd at 5.30.

1080
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,000
So I had a question on that. Candidates for what?

1081
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,000
State and county districts.

1082
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,000
State and county?

1083
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Yeah, it'll be one of the biggest candidate districts or candidate forums in the county.

1084
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,000
All of the people that have declared full county commissioner will be there.

1085
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Forty total candidates.

1086
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,000
Is it hopeful doing one as well?

1087
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,000
What is that?

1088
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000
That's this Friday night.

1089
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:14,000
Friday night is our second.

1090
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:20,000
Okay, thank you for that update. Anything else, council?

1091
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:29,000
I'm just, I really appreciate everyone's, I thought our retreat went really well. Rudolph, staff, thank you very much. I thought it was very, it was engaging.

1092
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:38,000
I thought all of us had, I thought we made great progress as a group and I really appreciate everyone coming with some new ideas and new ways to look at things.

1093
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:45,000
So just thanks to my colleagues and to staff, I thought it was really well handled and the mayor ran great, we did a great job.

1094
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:58,000
I think all of us benefited from the open and candid conversations that we had during the course of the retreat. We're going to have to do more of that.

1095
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:06,000
Okay, anything else from council before we move to the next agenda item?

1096
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,000
Okay, let's go to board appointments.

1097
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:15,000
We have three appointments that we will discuss today.

1098
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Okay, we'll discuss those in a second.

1099
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,000
All right, let's move down to item G.

1100
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,000
Did I skip something?

1101
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
No, I was just seeing if you were asking.

1102
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,000
Oh, okay, all right.

1103
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,000
I can always count on the agenda straight.

1104
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000
Josh always does that.

1105
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Okay, we're going to move up to move item four up to item number one.

1106
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:53,000
Josh, you have the con in a second.

1107
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,000
Good evening. I'm John Underwood.

1108
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,000
I'm an attorney. I work with Pat O'Brien, the city attorney.

1109
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,000
This involves the Brunswick Project.

1110
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:08,000
We heard a long discussion today about the complexity of this arrangement.

1111
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,000
So we had an additional complexity come into place.

1112
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:24,000
One of the things that the city did, North Cross Power, was that they, as part of the overall plan,

1113
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:29,000
they were going to take all the utilities off the poles along Viewford Highway

1114
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,000
and put them underground.

1115
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:43,000
This was a challenge for North Cross Power in that the utility corridor that was left was very, very small.

1116
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,000
There are a lot of Viewford Highway.

1117
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:51,000
There are a number of utilities and underground instructions there that nobody knew about.

1118
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:59,000
And they were completely unperceivable when North Cross Power had a subcontract to place these underground conduits

1119
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,000
and to get the utilities off the poles.

1120
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:10,000
These utilities were North Cross Power, Comcast, AT&T unregulated.

1121
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,000
They ran into a number of obstacles.

1122
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:20,000
I have a handout that anyone's interested in seeing that Steve Gaines put together,

1123
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,000
describing some of the underground obstacles that he ran into.

1124
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:36,000
The subcontractor wound up putting these conduits in the footprint of the $2,000 billion.

1125
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,000
This is not what I can use this.

1126
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,000
The conduits, this is the parking lot.

1127
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,000
The conduits were located underneath the building here.

1128
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:55,000
And this created a problem, of course, for the developer because they were in the way of these foundations.

1129
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000
They originally planned to spread fitting-type foundations in that area

1130
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,000
because the conduits were down there underneath the building

1131
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,000
and presented a number of engineering problems.

1132
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:19,000
The developer did not know those conduits were there until they dug down for the foundations.

1133
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:28,000
The solution to this is that we have to have an easement slash license agreement

1134
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:32,000
to have the conduits perpetually underneath this building.

1135
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,000
It is not the most desirable situation to have,

1136
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:41,000
but there is simply no other economically reasonable alternative to do this.

1137
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:47,000
This necessitates us entering into an easement.

1138
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:58,000
It also necessitates us entering into a mutual release and agreement with the developer and the DDA.

1139
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Norcross is not a party to the purchase and sale agreement between the DDA and the developer regarding this property.

1140
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:13,000
In fact, Norcross will perpetually own the parking garage,

1141
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:18,000
but the apartment complex they will only own for, I believe, 40 years,

1142
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,000
and at the end of that 40-year term, the developer will have the right to purchase

1143
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:30,000
the apartment complex back for $1.

1144
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,000
So there is a need for a perpetual easement in this.

1145
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:41,000
The developer did incur additional costs and resolved the engineering difficulty

1146
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,000
with leaving the conduits underneath.

1147
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:48,000
They had to install auger piles and a pile cap to bridge over the conduits

1148
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:55,000
to avoid having any pressure on the conduits,

1149
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,000
the conduits, of course, are brittle,

1150
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:02,000
and if you have a high soil loading on top of them,

1151
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,000
they will break, so you have to avoid that.

1152
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:10,000
The developer and Norcross worked hand in glove to resolve this.

1153
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,000
This problem originally came up at this past fall

1154
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,000
when we started working on an engineering solution first.

1155
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:30,000
To this, everybody cooperated, although there was certainly the potential for litigation or disagreement,

1156
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,000
but everybody pulled together and pulled in the same direction,

1157
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:39,000
and the developer, his attorney, and I have come up with this proposed resolution.

1158
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,000
There are basically three components to this.

1159
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,000
The first is the agreement and mutual release,

1160
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:52,000
which is the second item in this package.

1161
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,000
The terms of the mutual agreement and release

1162
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,000
provide that they will give us a perpetual, licensed easement agreement

1163
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,000
to have the conduits underneath the apartment buildings.

1164
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,000
The second portion of the easement is for the installation of the permanent power

1165
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:18,000
to the building along Popembridge Road and Buford Highway.

1166
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,000
They're going to grant us a similar utility easement

1167
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:26,000
for all of the conduits that are located in there

1168
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:31,000
because they will cross over the property line.

1169
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:35,000
All of this work has now been completed.

1170
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
The developer's attorney and I determined early on

1171
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,000
in this process that it was almost impossible to craft an agreement

1172
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:48,000
that would be satisfactory to both sides until the construction was complete.

1173
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,000
The utilities were off the poles and the poles were removed.

1174
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,000
That has now occurred.

1175
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,000
We're now ready to go forward with the agreement.

1176
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:03,000
The mutual release and agreement that is before you today

1177
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,000
is substantially what you will see in the policy,

1178
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:12,000
in the, excuse me, irregular meeting in March the 1st.

1179
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,000
The developer's attorney agreed to all of my changes

1180
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,000
as a matter of putting all of the attachments together

1181
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,000
for it and finalizing the easement.

1182
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,000
The language of the easement, we have gone back and forth

1183
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,000
and we only have one issue that's left

1184
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,000
and I think it's an easily resolvable issue.

1185
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:38,000
There are no problems so difficult that a minimum good faith

1186
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:45,000
or persons of good faith acting with good intent cannot resolve.

1187
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,000
And the DDA must vote on it as well.

1188
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Yes, and the DDA must vote on it as well

1189
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
because the DDA owns the property.

1190
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,000
The terms of this release, just so you know who's releasing,

1191
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:04,000
who the developer is releasing norcross from any and all liability

1192
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,000
associated with the installation of these conduits

1193
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:11,000
up through the date of the execution of this agreement.

1194
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:18,000
The DDA is releasing the developer from anything that occurred

1195
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,000
up to the date of this agreement.

1196
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,000
Provided, however, that they're not going to release them

1197
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,000
from any contractual obligations that they have to the DDA.

1198
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:35,000
Similarly, the C is releasing the developer perpetually

1199
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,000
for anything associated with the installation of the piles,

1200
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:44,000
the pile caps, so on and so forth from now and for the future.

1201
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,000
In other words, if the pile caps were improperly installed,

1202
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,000
we inspected the pile caps while they were being installed.

1203
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,000
I have assurance through the cross-power that they are confident

1204
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,000
that nothing is going to happen to the conduits,

1205
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,000
but the developer does not want to be responsible for our conduits

1206
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,000
after this agreement is executed

1207
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,000
since they didn't want the conduits there in the first place.

1208
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
So we're releasing them perpetually

1209
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,000
for anything associated with the installation of the overpowers.

1210
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,000
The DDA is also releasing them from that,

1211
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
provided, however, that they are not going to be released

1212
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,000
from any contractual obligation they have from the DDA

1213
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,000
or they're going to be released from any obligations

1214
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,000
they have to comply with North Cross City codes

1215
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,000
to obtain permits, comply with state law,

1216
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,000
laws, so on and so forth.

1217
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:38,000
Having settled that, that's pretty much it,

1218
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:44,000
we will have the final agreement with all attachments

1219
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,000
prepared and will be on the agenda

1220
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,000
for the first meeting in March.

1221
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Do I have any questions?

1222
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,000
Yeah.

1223
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,000
First question for me is the obligations

1224
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,000
outside of the foundation piles.

1225
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,000
So the city would be responsible

1226
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,000
for the conduit damage to the conduit

1227
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,000
outside of the piles work

1228
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,000
or only at the areas where they had to do the piles at?

1229
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,000
All right, let me tell you what the agreement is

1230
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,000
regarding maintenance.

1231
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,000
The conduits themselves, we can maintain them

1232
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,000
from the two junction boxes.

1233
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,000
In other words, they can run lines through it,

1234
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,000
they can pull a table out, they can replace tables,

1235
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,000
so on and so forth.

1236
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,000
They cannot do anything.

1237
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,000
If the conduit, for whatever reason,

1238
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,000
becomes blocked or inoperable

1239
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,000
for whatever reason underneath the building,

1240
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,000
that's it, we're done.

1241
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,000
And they are not going to have the opportunity

1242
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,000
to go underneath there and replace

1243
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,000
the conduit underneath the building.

1244
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,000
We're not going to be able to go underneath the building

1245
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,000
to go through the building, through the pile cap,

1246
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,000
anything like that.

1247
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,000
And up to the building,

1248
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,000
if it's, the building is actually

1249
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,000
on the property line,

1250
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,000
I believe, so, you know,

1251
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,000
the access that we have outside of that

1252
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,000
is simply going to be

1253
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,000
from junction boxes to junction boxes.

1254
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,000
I hope that answers your question.

1255
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,000
Right. Not entirely,

1256
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,000
but I was just wondering about the obligations.

1257
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,000
So the city is essentially

1258
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,000
giving up our

1259
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,000
ability to recoup any cost

1260
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,000
if that developer,

1261
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,000
gradually in the future,

1262
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,000
damages anything in between junction boxes,

1263
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,000
junction boxes.

1264
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,000
Well, that's just it.

1265
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,000
They have, right now,

1266
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,000
the pile cap is there,

1267
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,000
everything is with the buildings up,

1268
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,000
that matter.

1269
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
So whatever damage would have been done,

1270
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,000
would have been done by now.

1271
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,000
They're, you know,

1272
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:51,000
the possibility of an abnormal settlement

1273
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,000
over this,

1274
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,000
the city's engineers

1275
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,000
have satisfied themselves that

1276
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,000
the likelihood of that happening

1277
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,000
is infinitesimally small.

1278
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,000
There is going to be, in other words,

1279
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,000
they have assured themselves that the pile cap

1280
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,000
is the, and the auger piles

1281
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,000
are the best solution in this

1282
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,000
will not allow for any differential

1283
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,000
settling of the foundation

1284
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,000
that would cause a problem

1285
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,000
with the conduit in the future.

1286
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,000
And can you go over,

1287
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000
section five, the insurance

1288
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,000
that the city must maintain,

1289
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,000
just give me some clarification about

1290
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
the city's maintaining of this insurance

1291
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,000
versus the DDA's maintaining of this insurance.

1292
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,000
Well, the GERMA,

1293
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
the Georgia Analogal Risk Management Association,

1294
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,000
covers both the city

1295
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,000
and the DDA.

1296
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,000
It is not insurance.

1297
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,000
It's a risk management

1298
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,000
association

1299
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
that's set up by the state of Georgia.

1300
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,000
I have confirmed with GERMA

1301
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000
that they will cover

1302
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,000
the liability insurance portion of this.

1303
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,000
However, in the future,

1304
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,000
if the city retains a contractor,

1305
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,000
which they likely would,

1306
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,000
they would probably not do this

1307
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000
with GERMA forces to do work underneath.

1308
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,720
The building, through the conduits, we have to ensure that that subcontractor contracted the

1309
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:16,720
city to the same liability limits in their insurance that we have specified in the easement.

1310
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:21,080
What's the cost associated with this? The cost associated with this is the city will

1311
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:28,080
pay $80,000 to the developer upon the execution of the agreement for the release and agreement

1312
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:35,520
and the easement, which the developer contends that is far, far less than the cost of the

1313
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:41,640
actually installing the auger piles and the pile caps and the construction delay that they

1314
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:50,640
have incurred. There's, you know, reasonable amounts can differ on that, but it was the

1315
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,600
best we could negotiate. We've kept the cost current since it started. Remember, their

1316
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:04,680
estimates were greater and we were lesser. Right, and we got it more or less resolved

1317
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:12,680
on 80 in a state of the same. Of course, it's not a final resolution until they sign it.

1318
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:22,040
They sign it, you sign it, the city council. And if, for some reason, we have this conduit

1319
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:29,040
that's failed, we can't, from junction to junction, it fails. In terms of rerunning, we

1320
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,480
as the city or DDA would be responsible for rerunning this route or putting poles back

1321
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:40,480
up. Right, but the possibility of putting poles back up is unlikely. The likely solution

1322
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:47,680
and one solution that the engineers explored was actually to run the power underneath

1323
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:54,680
the Buford Highway and across and then back around. That was, you know, a $300,000, $400,000

1324
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:03,800
solution as opposed to an $80,000 solution. So, you know, abandoning conduits after they

1325
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:11,640
were already installed just became and trying to reroute it at this time just became prohibitively

1326
01:17:12,440 --> 01:17:19,440
expensive. What if any cost recoup do we have with the contractor we selected to do this

1327
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:26,480
this work that obviously violated property line agreements and so on and so forth? That's

1328
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:33,480
a very astute question and unfortunately the answer is none. We don't have any because

1329
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:41,040
they notified that this goes into a situation nor cross power supervise the installation

1330
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:47,480
of this. They were put on notice about where the conduit was going. This happened early

1331
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:52,480
on in the project. Nobody had gone out and surveyed the corners of the buildings although

1332
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:59,480
we had some drawings and stuff like that. The best I can say is that it was an oversight

1333
01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:04,480
that nor cross power did not notice that they were over the line. Had we known that

1334
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:09,480
at the time, we could have put the developer on notice before they entered into the

1335
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:14,480
sale agreement then this would not be a fact that they would have adjusted the price or whatever

1336
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:19,480
but we are not in that situation. We are in a situation where the transaction went ahead

1337
01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:24,480
and occurred and they discovered and you know, nor cross power was just as surprised as

1338
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:29,480
anybody else did. The conduits were actually located underneath the corner where the

1339
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:36,480
building was going to be located. I might add, you know, in the sense of our utility

1340
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:44,480
department here. They were under a tremendous amount of pressure to get the utilities off

1341
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:54,480
the poles and underground, not only here but also alongside the library which presented a

1342
01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:02,480
number of logistical problems. They made an human's effort to get all of this done.

1343
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:10,480
Unfortunately, you know, when you go down there along Beaverton Highway, there are gas

1344
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:22,480
lines, water mains, sewers. They are even fiber optic cables that were not even on the

1345
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:28,480
utility registry. You know, you go and dial 1-800 utilities or underground or whatever

1346
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:33,480
if they are supposed to come out and mark all the utilities. Well, that doesn't mark all of them

1347
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:39,480
as we learned. In addition, some of the obstructions that were located down there were retaining

1348
01:19:39,480 --> 01:19:50,480
walls, there were old construction that you just could not penetrate without risking

1349
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:57,480
destabilizing the soil structure that was already there. So it was a very difficult

1350
01:19:57,480 --> 01:20:02,480
situation. This is one of those situations that when we have another development that

1351
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:08,480
comes up, we can learn from it and we will take proper steps to ensure this does not

1352
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:15,480
happen again. Or that if it does, it will pass the cost on to the couple.

1353
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,480
Do you have any other questions?

1354
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:22,480
Thank you, John. Appreciate it.

1355
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:25,480
Thank you very much. No one has any more questions for me.

1356
01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:26,480
We're good.

1357
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:27,480
May I be excused?

1358
01:20:27,480 --> 01:20:28,480
Yes, sir.

1359
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:29,480
Thank you.

1360
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:33,480
If any of you ever didn't, if you think of any questions or anything later, don't

1361
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:35,480
hesitate to call me. That's what I'm here for.

1362
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:36,480
Thank you.

1363
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:37,480
Appreciate it.

1364
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:38,480
Thank you.

1365
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,480
So we're moving to the next item. I have a procedural question?

1366
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:42,480
Yes.

1367
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:46,480
It's actually probably just out of my own endurance, but it was brought up Saturday.

1368
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:50,480
Our agenda item number one here is a resounding request.

1369
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,480
Is this a public hearing?

1370
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:54,480
This is not the one in two weeks.

1371
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:55,480
Okay.

1372
01:20:55,480 --> 01:20:58,480
They will be listed on our agenda as a public hearing in two weeks.

1373
01:20:58,480 --> 01:20:59,480
Okay.

1374
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:03,480
I was just wondering, because I just, after all these years, I just remember

1375
01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:05,480
always seeing we have public hearings.

1376
01:21:05,480 --> 01:21:06,480
All right. Good deal. Thank you.

1377
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,480
That was a good observation.

1378
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:09,480
Can I follow up with that question?

1379
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:16,480
Do the BZ and the ARB meetings consider public hearing as well?

1380
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,480
They are.

1381
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:19,480
So the two meetings prior to this were public hearings?

1382
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:20,480
Mm-hmm.

1383
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,480
Okay.

1384
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:22,480
And newly advertised.

1385
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:32,480
Sorry.

1386
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:33,480
Okay.

1387
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:35,480
Zero Pinnacle Way.

1388
01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:38,480
You have your first request for a planned residential development.

1389
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:43,480
This is a 2.61 acre, trying to shape this property.

1390
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:47,480
It's a remnant in the Pinnacle Industrial Subdivision.

1391
01:21:47,480 --> 01:21:49,480
It's currently zoned M1.

1392
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:53,480
It's adjacent to another general panel community.

1393
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:55,480
And I think that it's down there.

1394
01:21:55,480 --> 01:22:00,480
It's putting higher up than some of the industrial that's there.

1395
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:02,480
It's got a unique shape.

1396
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,480
It's pie shaped.

1397
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:05,480
And it's got some rock outcroppings.

1398
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:09,480
So it doesn't really make it conducive to any quality

1399
01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:10,480
industrial development.

1400
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:14,480
The phone calls we've had for it have been for truck parking

1401
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:15,480
rods.

1402
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:19,480
We really would not want to mess it up against some of those

1403
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:20,480
residents up there.

1404
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,480
So we have a request to do a 2.16 unit townhouse development.

1405
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:28,480
That's in keeping with the higher residential density requirements

1406
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:31,480
of this particular I-85 character area.

1407
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:36,480
And so we've taken it for the architectural review board.

1408
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:37,480
They approved it.

1409
01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:40,480
They recommended approval of 24 conditions.

1410
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,480
And there was a hearing for recommendations for the

1411
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:46,480
planning and zoning for the first of January.

1412
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:50,480
And they recommended approval with, I think, 16 zoning

1413
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:51,480
conditions.

1414
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:55,480
There are 16 zoning conditions that actually also

1415
01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:57,480
incorporate the ARB's conditions.

1416
01:22:57,480 --> 01:22:59,480
So they're inextricably tied together.

1417
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,480
Should you approve it in two weeks?

1418
01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:05,480
So staff is recommending approving the approval of

1419
01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:10,480
this particular application when there's a public hearing

1420
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:11,480
in two weeks.

1421
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:19,480
We're also learning a little bit what PRD is and how it works.

1422
01:23:19,480 --> 01:23:20,480
I appreciate this.

1423
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:25,480
What's the difference in doing this under PRD versus our

1424
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:26,480
RTH?

1425
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:31,480
This one gives the developer a little more flexibility

1426
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:34,480
to go around persons that may be particularly challenging

1427
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,480
or have some site feature that's particularly good-saving

1428
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:41,480
like full-growth trees that gives them the flexibility

1429
01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:46,480
in designing lot sizes and placing them under flexibility

1430
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:47,480
setbacks.

1431
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:49,480
So they're actually zoning their particular plan,

1432
01:23:49,480 --> 01:23:52,480
which is very unique for the development.

1433
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,480
It's also a unique approval process in where it goes to

1434
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:59,480
the ARB first and sort of replaces the old DCB.

1435
01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:02,480
So there's no question of sort of a bait and switch

1436
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,480
should the market fail in the future.

1437
01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:10,480
Your sort of guarantee of what it's planned to be

1438
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:13,480
unless they come back to the architectural review board

1439
01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:15,480
and mayor councils that give change.

1440
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:18,480
So it really locks in what's going on with the

1441
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:19,480
development system.

1442
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:22,480
Is that what they're doing this 11 years now?

1443
01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:25,480
You've never seen a rezoning of that size

1444
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:27,480
with so many conditions.

1445
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:30,480
Is that kind of maybe what we should expect

1446
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:31,480
with the PRD process?

1447
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:34,480
Yes, you'll always have lots of conditions

1448
01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,480
because it's very flexible.

1449
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,480
There's not really much that goes with the PRD.

1450
01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:45,480
All the setbacks are entitled through the site plan.

1451
01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,480
And so it just wraps it up kind of nicely.

1452
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,480
It is an arduous process for staff

1453
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:53,480
because we turn this around in six weeks

1454
01:24:53,480 --> 01:24:56,480
where we might have had probably close to 120 days

1455
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,480
if we were doing it traditionally.

1456
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,480
So it's big on the front end for the staff

1457
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:04,480
but it's seeming like it's well worth it.

1458
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:12,480
I may have missed it in the conditions

1459
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,480
but we've been talking a lot about noise issues

1460
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:20,480
with properties that are adjacent to industrial properties.

1461
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:24,480
What is the sound barrier protection

1462
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,480
so we don't have to address this?

1463
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:28,480
We're going to handle that with landscaping.

1464
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:30,480
There's a topographical difference

1465
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:33,480
where the residential piece is going to sit way up here

1466
01:25:33,480 --> 01:25:35,480
and the industrial is way down here

1467
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:37,480
so we're actually going to handle that

1468
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,480
with faster landscape

1469
01:25:39,480 --> 01:25:41,480
and kind of our landscape professional review that

1470
01:25:41,480 --> 01:25:43,480
because if you put up walls,

1471
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:45,480
the residences are so far up here

1472
01:25:45,480 --> 01:25:48,480
that a wall down there isn't really going to help.

1473
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:52,480
So we're thinking landscaping would be a better offer.

1474
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,480
That's a great question.

1475
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,480
The biggest complaint I have from...

1476
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,480
I don't know over there is the truck parking

1477
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:00,480
which is allowed by Wright and M1.

1478
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,480
So that's a...

1479
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,480
Thank you.

1480
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,480
We'll have to make sure the developer does that.

1481
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,480
That's part of the conditions for CEO.

1482
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,480
Right, it is an actual condition

1483
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:12,480
that they have to have the independent landscape person

1484
01:26:12,480 --> 01:26:13,480
review it.

1485
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:15,480
It's somebody we contracted with

1486
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:18,480
to make sure that we get the right kind of plantings

1487
01:26:18,480 --> 01:26:21,480
in there that will produce an effective sound.

1488
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,480
And they're supposed to take care of that

1489
01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,480
so that it stays alive?

1490
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:27,480
Correct.

1491
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,480
No, they only have the HOA.

1492
01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:30,480
The HOA.

1493
01:26:37,480 --> 01:26:39,480
Any other questions for Council?

1494
01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:45,480
Tracy, what's in place to ensure that the conditions

1495
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,480
are met?

1496
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:49,480
The perpetuity...

1497
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,480
Right, this will be an actual zoning ordinance

1498
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,480
that's actually specifically attached to that parcel

1499
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,480
so anybody violates any one of the conditions.

1500
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,480
That's an automatic trip to court

1501
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,480
for violating a zoning condition that it runs

1502
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,480
with the property and perpetuity

1503
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:07,480
until such time as Mayor and Council

1504
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:10,480
deem it to be resettlement or giving conditions.

1505
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,480
Thank you.

1506
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:15,480
Any other questions?

1507
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:18,480
Thank you so much, Tracy, for that presentation.

1508
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:23,480
And we will move to number two,

1509
01:27:23,480 --> 01:27:26,480
quantification to the adopted building codes

1510
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:28,480
under the UVF.

1511
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:32,480
This is another little error that we're taking here

1512
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:34,480
of fixing up.

1513
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:37,480
And we noticed that when we went through chapter 300

1514
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,480
the International Sustainable Building Code

1515
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,480
was not adopted as item number 10.

1516
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,480
But it was adopted as item number 10

1517
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,480
back in September of last year.

1518
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,480
It was adopted as item number 100

1519
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,480
set for the purposes of continuity

1520
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,480
and contiguity.

1521
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,480
We're saying add items in International

1522
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,480
and Sustainable Building Code

1523
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,480
back in to chapter 300.

1524
01:27:58,480 --> 01:28:00,480
There's a building official there

1525
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:02,480
that I have to do that.

1526
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,480
That one's just a minor change.

1527
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:11,480
A minor change but it can have major consequences.

1528
01:28:11,480 --> 01:28:13,480
Major consequences.

1529
01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:15,480
Major consequences.

1530
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:20,480
The consequence means if we don't do it.

1531
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:22,480
Yeah, I know what you're referring to.

1532
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,480
Come plan, use, table, amendment.

1533
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:28,480
This is our first proposed minor amendment

1534
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:32,480
to our compliance plan that we adopted last year.

1535
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,480
It entails our PRD,

1536
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:37,480
applying those amendment development.

1537
01:28:37,480 --> 01:28:41,480
PRDs allow in certain character areas

1538
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:44,480
I think it's 1, 3, 5, 12, and 13

1539
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:46,480
in its comp plan.

1540
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,480
Like I said, that PRD is a very flexible

1541
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,480
designing district.

1542
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,480
It gets around sort of the

1543
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,480
traditional R100, R25 and R60

1544
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,480
lotsage requirements.

1545
01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:57,480
And in setbacks,

1546
01:28:57,480 --> 01:28:59,480
somebody could develop a

1547
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:01,480
particularly challenging piece of property

1548
01:29:01,480 --> 01:29:03,480
or something that has some features

1549
01:29:03,480 --> 01:29:05,480
that we want to preserve.

1550
01:29:05,480 --> 01:29:07,480
It does not allow anybody to gain

1551
01:29:07,480 --> 01:29:10,480
any more density or any residential type

1552
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:13,480
that's not allowed in the character area.

1553
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:15,480
So it doesn't give anybody the ability

1554
01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:19,480
to sort of garner any type of housing use

1555
01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:21,480
or the type of density that's not allowed.

1556
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:23,480
But it is called out in the descriptions

1557
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:25,480
of Town Center character area

1558
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:27,480
and Summer Hour character area

1559
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:29,480
as something to aspire to.

1560
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:31,480
But we have table 2.4 in the comp plan

1561
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:33,480
and it's not listed in the table.

1562
01:29:33,480 --> 01:29:35,480
So it's not listed in the table.

1563
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:36,480
It doesn't really exist.

1564
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,480
So I'm asking you to add it back

1565
01:29:39,480 --> 01:29:41,480
to character areas 7 and 9

1566
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:43,480
Town Center and Summer Hour

1567
01:29:43,480 --> 01:29:46,480
as something somebody could aspire to

1568
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:48,480
in those particular character areas.

1569
01:29:51,480 --> 01:29:54,480
Tracy, in terms of those

1570
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:56,480
two particular areas,

1571
01:29:56,480 --> 01:29:58,480
do we feel like there is some

1572
01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:00,480
interest in those areas that would...

1573
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,000
That would, you know, if we did this, would, you know, help expedite that, that interest or give that interest.

1574
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:50,000
And as these continue to grow, obviously we're adding two additional areas. We've just talked about a potential, another area of pinnacle.

1575
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:57,000
Obviously gives the city a lot of latitude and, you know, assurances via ordinances that we approve.

1576
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:02,000
But it is a significant amount of extra work for the city staff or a PRD.

1577
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:20,000
Do we see this as a continued trend in your opinion, industry in your opinion? Do you see this as a trend that we have more and more re-classifications for PRD to allow for our unique situation as a suburban, urban area that's very heavily built?

1578
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:28,000
Or do you see this as more of the exceptions to the rule than seeing this as potentially more and more we see this as we continue to develop?

1579
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:33,000
I think we'll probably see it more and more, other than the traditional zoning districts.

1580
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:42,000
But I think that's something that's just unique in the fact that, you know, these built-outs, there's not a lot of people out there that's just sitting around vacant.

1581
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:48,000
So that people are going to feel a little more crafty in how they place their subdivisions.

1582
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:56,000
And, you know, we want to be able to keep our historic items not necessarily out in what history ever is, because we don't have a well PRD for the building.

1583
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,000
We have very strict levels on lot sizes.

1584
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:07,000
But as you get over here, closer to the people of highway and on the opposite side of the people of highway, you know, we have power line easements everywhere.

1585
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,000
So there'll be some features that folks have to work around.

1586
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:14,000
And it's just a little more unique tool in our toolkit.

1587
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,000
But I'm beginning to think we need to charge more money for this application.

1588
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,000
$1,500 is, you know, we've got to keep Robert Patrick going.

1589
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:26,000
He usually pulls his hair out when he's doing the zoning, please.

1590
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,000
One last question.

1591
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:38,000
You know, as this goes into modification of our COMP plan and if the COMP plan was developed by the community and approved by mayor and council,

1592
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:48,000
I can see this as we continue to do this potentially be, hey, we've set on a COMP plan and then we're modifying it until we do the next COMP plan.

1593
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,000
So it's all completely different than the one that the citizens approved.

1594
01:32:51,000 --> 01:33:03,000
I think we just need to be cognizant of the fact that, you know, we have a COMP plan that we've approved as we deviate to it how we do that and how we explain how we do that and why the reasons behind it.

1595
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:11,000
I know we added PRD, we added some other zoning things to allow for this because we saw this in the future.

1596
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:17,000
But we just need to be aware that if we continue to change our COMP plan, it's not longer our COMP plan we are already approved.

1597
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:25,000
Right, and one of the things I want to point out, if Shayla could slow up a little bit so you get the sections of the COMP plan,

1598
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,000
let's see.

1599
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,000
Because it actually mentions planned residential developments in both of them.

1600
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:51,000
Planned residential communities offer a variety of housing types, so that's a town center.

1601
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,000
Maybe scroll up a little bit more.

1602
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:58,000
That's pretty vague, Tracy. All residential communities are planned in some way.

1603
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:01,000
But it says it in both of those.

1604
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,000
That's actually kind of my question, Matt. I'm glad you teed it up that way.

1605
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:08,000
A lot of thought process went into getting to where we were with our COMP plan.

1606
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:15,000
My first question is, are we in our window? We designated a window to make COMP plan updates.

1607
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,000
Right, we're in the window. We're following our own rules, right?

1608
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:23,000
Are there any other, is this the time for this year?

1609
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Correct, unless somebody comes with something beautiful that we just can't resist,

1610
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:34,000
doesn't have to get through a different process to ask you, could they go out of the season to do this?

1611
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,000
Seasonist march. Right, we're the actual application with the in-march.

1612
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:48,000
Yeah, and then, I hate the word oversight, but it does seem natural in these areas.

1613
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:55,000
How did we not originally include it in? We're just doing so much, and maybe it just...

1614
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:59,000
We were doing a kind of thing, so that's no excuse.

1615
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,000
I'm not placing blame.

1616
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:05,000
It's just that I went back and had Table 2.4 created and added in,

1617
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:10,000
and I thought it would be beneficial, and lo and behold, we wrote it up in the text,

1618
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:14,000
and when we went back and developed Table 2.4, it just didn't make it in there.

1619
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:21,000
Because we really labored over when we did this, and then when we developed the actual PRD language that was in the VDO,

1620
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,000
we really labored over that.

1621
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:28,000
So, in my opinion, after looking at this, it just wasn't an oversight.

1622
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:33,000
I wanted a table as well as the description to match.

1623
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:39,000
I think the citizens need to hear that, because what some citizens have said to me is,

1624
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:43,000
oh, a developer wants something, and Norcross is back to it's old ways.

1625
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,000
And that's just not true.

1626
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,000
But it does look, some citizens that you just passed your confland,

1627
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,000
there's one developer who has a history of Norcross who wants something.

1628
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,000
Oh, and now Norcross.

1629
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
And that's just, that could be part of the truth.

1630
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:59,000
Right, and it doesn't give anybody any greater densities than they still have to wind up with the density.

1631
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,000
They have 2,000 square foot lot, but they're not going to yield any more than $8 million per acre.

1632
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,000
So it's just one of those things.

1633
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:11,000
And actually what they have to go through to get the PRD, they have to commit to the architectures

1634
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:14,000
before they even really dug through the engineering on it.

1635
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:18,000
So they're actually putting a heck of a lot more money in the front end than they are.

1636
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:26,000
And I think it's important from a city optics, citizens optics, that they understand PRD has a lot more teeth to it

1637
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,000
than any of our standard zoning.

1638
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:33,000
And it allows the mayor and council to have a lot more control.

1639
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:40,000
And to the point of the first one, the ordinances we can attach based on the control where we don't have that today,

1640
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,000
there's no bait and switch with our standard way.

1641
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,000
So I think even though we're deviating from the confland, I wanted to make sure I mentioned that

1642
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:55,000
this PRD is something special that was developed to give back the control when we did decide to make a change

1643
01:36:55,000 --> 01:37:02,000
back to the citizens because it goes through P&Z and ARB, which are citizen led before it even comes to mayor and council.

1644
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Exactly. I mean, how many places are there 40 in there with conditions of zoning attached to this piece of property?

1645
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:18,000
And my understanding is anything, any of the changes that, you know, anything deviates from the agreement

1646
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,000
that's got force of ordinance behind it.

1647
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,000
Correct.

1648
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:28,000
And there's penalties, so it kind of goes to the holding developers accountable, you know,

1649
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:32,000
mantra here is trying to make that work.

1650
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,000
And it's not an easy process. I mean, the one we just talked about, they're not identical.

1651
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,000
They had their first hearing in December.

1652
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:39,000
That's right.

1653
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,000
And this is definitely not as painful as the PRD process.

1654
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:43,000
Right.

1655
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:48,000
That's the first one that we've been talking about.

1656
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,000
I have a question about PRD just real quick.

1657
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:55,000
On our zoning map, right next to the summer hour house, the Buchanan House.

1658
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,000
On Buchanan, the summer hour house.

1659
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:03,000
Did that zone PRD on our zoning map?

1660
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Right. We got a lot of actual PRDs.

1661
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,000
We had some neighborhoods that didn't conform to anything.

1662
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:10,000
Okay.

1663
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,000
And we would have future issues and somebody would have a devastating loss.

1664
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:18,000
We couldn't rebuild that because just for whatever they weren't built to the correct lot

1665
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
with or anything like that.

1666
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:24,000
So make those lots still viable in the case of catastrophic loss.

1667
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:29,000
We made them a PRD in zoning of the actual plat.

1668
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,000
So they have something to stand on in case they already had a fire or something.

1669
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,000
So yeah, there's an actual language in there.

1670
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Thank you.

1671
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,000
Okay.

1672
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:44,000
Any other questions before we move to the next agenda item?

1673
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,000
Thank you so much, Tracy.

1674
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Okay.

1675
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:56,000
Let's move to item five, the proposal concerning communications and media presence.

1676
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,000
It hasn't changed a bit since we looked at it to retreat.

1677
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:04,000
If everybody wants to look at it again, I don't think there's anything to add to it

1678
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,000
or any changes that have happened with that draft.

1679
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:12,000
So it is as it was.

1680
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,000
Okay.

1681
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:21,000
We need to talk in an exec about how to populate it in terms of the proposal itself

1682
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,000
unless there are questions.

1683
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,000
We do.

1684
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:28,000
I certainly appreciate you getting in a written form so that we're all looking at the same thing.

1685
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,000
And we all have the same understanding.

1686
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,000
I think that's important.

1687
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,000
Okay.

1688
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:35,000
And you're right.

1689
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:41,000
We need to have further discussions on this issue in an exact session.

1690
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Okay.

1691
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:51,000
Unless someone has some questions that you want to ask me, I don't want to stifle any conversation.

1692
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:57,000
Having heard that, that was our last agenda item.

1693
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:01,000
Do we have a motion to go into exec?

1694
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,000
Some of the four personnel.

1695
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,000
Real estate, legal.

1696
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Only if you're going to cover all three.

1697
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
You're only going to cover one.

1698
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,000
We're going to another event in a second on what you're actually going to cover.